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Monday, October 7, 2019

Westwood One Daily News Flash Briefing

07:30 min | 1 year ago

Monday, October 7, 2019

"From Washington DC this is Westwood One Daily News for October Seventh Twenty nineteen. I'm John Trout. US forces have begun pulling out of Syria that according to news reports the White House says Turkey will soon invade northern Syria camera vice president Joe Biden wrote an op Ed piece in The Washington Post calling Mr trump wholly unfit to be president facing how subpoenas secretary of state a smaller part of that border and not well within it so certainly this does represent something of a which is basically would encompass a variety of large towns and cities that are currently under the control of the Syrian democratic very unhappy with this move they put out a statement this morning just a little while ago saying that the United States is not abiding biased leader announcing officially second person is joining the complaint and the attorney says the Second Whistle Blower has first-hand knowledge of the goal president trump doesn't word with accusations concerning president trump and his Ukraine interactions is representing a second whistleblower Bob Costantini has that story no one from the trailed by the United States of one of its most important allies in the war against Isis and it brings into question what are Turkey if Syria that has been relatively stable now for several years Ben Wedeman reporting the lawyer for the first whistle blower who came along the almost four hundred fifty kilometer border between Syria and Turkey to be thirty kilometers with inside Syria written urging them to cooperate with Attorney General William Bars investigation into foreign influence in the two thousand sixteen election and on Fox News Sunday futures Lindsey versus those are the forces that the United States was closely aligned with in the war against Isis and the Syrian democratic forces are clearly part of Syria but we need to keep in mind this is not where those Syrians come from these are Sunni Muslims from western Syria being reset his intentions we have heard from the Turks that they want to settle as many as two million Syrian refugees currently in Turkey within this point house was on the news programs in one Sunday tweet president trump re tweeted a letter sent by the chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to leaders of Australia Italy and nation is denying all requests and subpoenas until the full house votes for an impeachment inquiry Bob Costantini Washington ten days after he testified in the murder Graham announcing he will insist that the whistle blower one or two whatever they come forward under oath testifying so the public can judge or credibility if that trial of a former Dallas police officer key witness Joshua Brown was shot and killed corresponding Clayton Neville says police continue to search for suspects commitment with the keeping in mind that in the beginning of September the Americans and Turkish forces began to patrol old potentially in a part of Syria is largely Kurdish so this has serious implications could certainly destabilize a palm peyot who was on the phone call president trump had with Ukraine's below d'humieres Alinsky we'll obviously do all the things required to do by law pronounce the administer that happened in the House I will make sure it happens in the Senate was the blower one or two is a reference to the attorney for the first intelligence community employees who was alarmed by president trump's called Ukraine's thinks Oh tweeting where it is they are going to the bench in another whistle blower is coming in from the deep state also with second hand info the object of the president's concerns about corruption is apartment by mistake and killed him he testified to the prosecution about what he sold Geiger doing moments after hearing gunshots she was crying say she indepth and the testimony in the Geiger Trial Clayton Neville Dallas the ocean cleanup project created to pull millions of tons of plastic out of the Pacific while the aftermath of the high profile trial continues to play out Joshua Brown lived across the hall from both John Last year when Amber Geiger claims Joel walked into Eh apartment Brown was killed his current home Friday about five miles from his former apartment building authorities haven't said whether there's any connection between is finally making progress here's Evan haning he had failed at first then the project realized the cleaning system was moving at the same speed as the junkie removing it is a big job but cleanup has been so encouraging the project hopes to improve techniques that will pull even more plastic from the ocean. I'm Evan Haning was trying to strain out of the water so after a few tweaks it's beginning to make a dent in the Great Pacific Garbage Patch an area of floating trash twice the size Texas with as much as nine hundred thousand tonnes of fishing gear lost in the sea each year along with millions of tons of bottles toys and traffic cones from shore well college educated women earn less than men correspondent and cates reports over the past six decades women have enrolled in college in greater numbers and those born in the mid nineteen eighties twenty two percent more likely to hold a bachelor's degree than men but these womens still have smaller salaries according to the Wall Street Journal a new study college students thoroughly researching the job market and potential wages when picking out a college major I'm Anne cates there have been changes attributed to global warming at eleven because Glacier Bay National Park here's Stephan Kaufman Alaska's Glacier Bay national park is experiencing the deterioration of a world class destination and female students tend to major in fields lead to lower paying jobs and even women who enroll in traditionally male-dominated courses of study still earn less researchers say the results pointed ranger Jake mcphee says climate change is making it harder for glaciers to collect snow and ice we have over one thousand glaciers in Glacier National Park One thousand forty seven park in addition throughout Alaska dramatic temperature changes including a recent heat wave along the Arctic coast resulted in the loss of many types of wildlife Lamar shrinking we used to save in two thousand seventeen ninety five percent of the glaciers are receding today it's definitely one hundred percent among the shrinking glaciers as often casting uncertainty on the fate of the Kurdish fighters allied with the US. Here's Ben Wedeman the Turks have made it clear they want this so-called safe zone defeat off the top as well make says it's easy to understand why the park is losing so much snow in is every day today in Glacier Bay is about five degrees warmer Stephan Kaufman in Glacier Bay Alaska Westwood One Daily News for October Seventh Twenty nineteen. I'm John Trough Photograph twenty-one Mile Long Margerie Glacier the glacier that I've seen received in the last three years I've been here and also has lost about fifty and it was in the one thousand nine hundred fifty s average is predicted to be about another eight to ten degrees warmer by twenty one hundred he says the glacier is dr every living

Glacier Bay National Park Stephan Kaufman US Glacier Bay Alaska Westwood Glacier Bay Syria Long Margerie Glacier Glacier National Park Anne cates Westwood One Daily News Washington John Trout Ben Wedeman Evan Haning John Trough Alaska Wall Street Journal Texas Jake mcphee Arctic
Pandemic Reaches All Parts of The Globe Including Underwater

Environment: NPR

03:41 min | 3 months ago

Pandemic Reaches All Parts of The Globe Including Underwater

"The effects of the coronavirus pandemic are being felt all over even underwater. That's a humpback whale singing in Glacier Bay Alaska. Scientists are finding the oceans have been quieter as shipping traffic has fallen. Here's NPR's Lawrence Summer. A lot of scientists have had to cancel their field work this year, but not Christine Gabriel. She can work all alone in a boat on glacier bay. On a cool rainy morning she spots which he's looking for and captures is on her smartphone. Yeah, there about five Wales working this one little area. Breathing when they're up. There Humpback Whales. It looks to me like they might be feeding on schools of fish. Gabriel is a wildlife biologist with glacier bay. National Park for thirty five years. The park service has been keeping track of the humpback population here. One of the groups is a mother and calf are seventh for the year. So that's really good news Gabriel also keeps track of them below the surface. Down at the bottom of the bay, there's a hydrophone continually. Recording sound can travel for miles underwater. Than, Awale can see and humpbacks make all sorts of calls they coordinate feeding or just stay in touch, but there are other things in the water that make noise to. Free, pandemic boats and cruise ships were common in Glacier Bay and Gabriel and her colleagues found that when ships are loud, the whales change their calls kind of the way we talk at allowed party in order to communicate with each other. They might have to be close together. They might have to repeat themselves, or they might have to wait for a quieter moment, but this year things sound different. It's much quieter and just by listening to it. You can tell. The cruise ships are gone. Boat Tours are way down. The pandemic has kind of created this unexpected opportunity for science kind of a once in a lifetime chance to look at well communication behavior in its natural undisturbed form, and scientists are finding that elsewhere in the Pacific to. The southern resident killer whales aren't endangered group of whales. David Barklay is an assistant professor at Dalhousie University. He measured ocean noise in the waters near Vancouver. Where those endangered killer whales live, he found there was about half as much noise in April compared to months prior. Even my mom said it's kind of obvious. Don't you think less ships less noise I mean the which is you know it's always hard when you get roasted by your mom, but it matters for killer whales because they need sound to hunt through echo location, dislike bat does did ship sound can interfere with that, and it can cause chronic stress, but the quiet is likely a temporary thing says. Says Michael Jasni who works on marine mammals at the natural resources defense council right now there may be some break, but we have to look forward to what happens afterwards. Jazzy says the port of in Cougar is a good example of where something is being done about ocean noise ships get a discount on their fees if they're retrofitted to be quieter or simply slowdown, which reduces noise, but that's just in one place you know. Shipping is a global industry, and we're not seeing that kind of global commitment to change still jazz knees hope is that what scientists learned from Wales now could help protect them from human noise in the future Lorne summer, NPR news.

Christine Gabriel glacier bay Glacier Bay Alaska NPR Wales Lawrence Summer David Barklay National Park Michael Jasni Jazzy Dalhousie University Pacific Boat Tours Awale assistant professor Vancouver thirty five years
Princess Cruise Line ALASKA

MouseChat.net Disney, Universal, Orlando FL News

1:20:39 hr | 1 year ago

Princess Cruise Line ALASKA

"I am to chat. I'm lisa joining me. I've got the whole crew. We've got lauren. We've got sharpie. You've got steve. Welcome hello. How're you doing good. We all right item. Bushy tailed no definitely not sure that was a prerequisite. I missed stats from the lash. Oh sorry dog walk. Nobody wanted me to talk about alaska. Then it would be quite the donor would have been very bad. Yeah okay well today. We are gonna talk about alaska and lauren. You got to go with your family and dua monumental trip so i'm gonna pass it over you here. We go yup so hi. Everybody <hes> i just got off a couple of weeks ago of a princess lanc- tour to alaska alaska and i'm gonna just kind of go through it day by day and what we did. We did seven night cruise. We did the cruise first and and then we did a four night land tour that took us to denali mount mckinley lodge and then to anchorage <hes> and we did a one night stay prior in vancouver so <hes> we were gone for a total of what was that eleven twelve nights and our last night was an overnight flight home so we are actually in anchorage almost the whole day so that was kinda nice so going to take you step by step with what we did. <hes> if you guys have questions let me know but we did the royal princess which is about a five year old ship <hes> she is one of the bigger ships for princess right now in in alaska because most of princess likes to cruise with the smaller ships we did pass pass the norwegian joy which looked like it could swallow the royal princess whole <hes> but royal princess is one of the bigger princess ships right now that's out there in in fact they actually did their first voyage in may to alaska and they were worried about turning english or by 'cause it's the biggest one they've ever had out there so we did that one. Our tour took us a northbound so it did did north northbound to whittier from vancouver to whittier and we arrived arrived in vancouver than before crews. We stayed at the marriott by the airport there which was absolutely beautiful comfortable beds fantastic mastic rooms like very large rooms <hes> and so we stayed there for the night very easy transition. We scheduled a shuttle to pick us up. The next day took us right to the port. We got to the poor early <hes> you can't board there until eleven. If you're going from vancouver on princess <hes> the the time you could actually start to check in was eleven a._m. So we did that other eleven and we were on the ship by twelve o'clock. Everything was very smooth and easy. No issues <hes> <hes> boarded had some fun. Did some things on board had a nice lunch and then we set sail around four o'clock the next day we had a sea day so we you just kind of relaxed we kind of got to know the ship <hes> we did some of the trivia things and <hes> so just kind of had a nice relaxing day we watched a movie with hot chocolate out on the deck 'cause they had movies under the storage but <hes> the head movies going all day long so we we did we watched mama mia here we go again and and just relax and then the next day we started the craziness and we were pretty busy from then until the day we got home so our first stop was in ketchikan and we we had a short stay in ketchikan. We were only there until two forty five in the afternoon which ketchikan and is normally a short short shorter port time so that made sense <hes> we did. We did all of our outside of princess so we did assure trips which was a fantastic company to work for work with for from start to finish. I booked all of our tourists. Are them and i liked everything everything we did. I thought was fantastic. Great quality great tours on time no issues everything ran smoothly so we did the lighthouse totem odom and eagles tour. We didn't do anything too crazy. There that was kind of our later day because it was a shorter port time and we did wanna walk around them to <hes> the <hes> the shopping area there which is beautiful so <hes> we did that tour and it was a boat tour so they took us and we saw tun's i mean tons and tons and tons of eagles like a ridiculous amount of eagles so they took on a short tour through the area and just kind of drove through the town and told you a little bit of history. <hes> i find it interesting that most people you talk to. Are there here for like five months just for the tour season basically so i thought that was kind of interesting every tour driver we had basically that was the situation so we're the otherwise everywhere the retired they live in texas. They live in seattle. They live in canada. They live all over the country and they come in for five months. They worked the tourists and then they go back home. That's fascinating. I thought it was so interesting because i was like i'm like that's something you you could like. I mean richard. I could retire and he could. He could do that overtime anywhere you know. I'm like he's like we. I'm working when i retire. Did i not mention that. It's only five thank. You didn't realize that sorry so we could do that a dollywood too so if you don't wanna go as far as colds valid point is the same way they hire everybody. Nobody collect unemployment and they hire them all back again yup yeah and that's probably what happens so it was interesting so we did that tour. We did we saw tons of eagles. We saw <hes> we didn't see any well on that when we did see some some of the <hes> sea lions but nothing crazy it was mostly eagles in it was tons of eagles like i mean flew right over us. Some of the best pictures we got of eagles were there <hes> then they took us pass the totem pole park area and then they took us way out to see <hes> one of the lighthouses so it was really nice. It was a nice day. They put snacks out. It was run very well. <hes> the staff was very enthusiastic really liked talking about the wildlife in the history and it was fascinating <hes> so we really enjoyed that one and then a- after that we got off and that was i think three hours roughly so oh after that we went up and we had lunch at the cape fox lodge which is kind of a cool place by itself because it's way up at the top up of a mountain and they have a little tram that you can take up and down to go there to eat there <hes> but we ate there and then after that hat we went down. We actually hiked down the side of the mountain like they have a little trail. You can hike down and we walked around creek street. Which is there little shopping area which is adorable. It's like it looks like a little the fishing village but it's shopping <hes> so we did that and then we went back on the ship and headed out for the night and had dinner and i thought the food was great on princess the entertainment the staff was great but the entertainment lacked act compared to save royal norwegian in my opinion or even disney. <hes> i felt like that was an area. They could have done a much better job robin but i thought the food was good. The service was phenomenal. The service in the restaurant was great. The service at the bars were great. <hes> a room starts. Were fantastic like everybody you you talk to was amazing and even the entertainment guys were great. It was just like the big show's different crowd the the aircraft or the show are the big nighttime shows good or just kind of the other little ever ever saw one okay so the entertainment is is more like trivia and that stuff and they have a piazza steve three floor piazza in the center of the ship which basically houses most of the things going on there's other little bars nooks and crannies and stuff and different areas but most of what goes on is in that <hes> it's three floors. It's all open open and they have a piano bar upstairs. They've got a bakery with a coffee shop. They've got <hes> three other bars scattered throughout the that piazza area and entertainment kind of flips from the bottom floor to the middle floor to the top floor from the bottom floor to the mill florida's top floor. You can kind of hear it wherever you are. <hes> okay great like they're good. Just that was all there was an sort of small ship like the smaller disney ships or what sei ship. It's a it's a the smaller ship. It was probably about three thousand passengers which is still a nice. I ship right next to the joy. That's got probably sixty five hundred passengers. It looks like a baby you know but i actually rich and i both agree. We both really really liked the small ship feel yeah i like this. I i feel like i'm being heard at around off lasca. You definitely want i agree or ship at least in my opinion you ship and alaska's a different vibe you know you go in the caribbean cruise and it's all about the partying and the craziness and this and that alaska alaska more about let's just relax and have a cocktail and listen to the piano player you know <hes> they did have entertainment like every night they had a dance party that went on for like two hours and that was fun and every night was a different team so they did sixties night one night seventy one eighty s night one night. They did like a mix one day my kids i did line dancing classes every day and we'd go out and with the entertainers help teach all the people. I believe they made a job ended going to college well. I mean it one way to earn living right but my kids were in an awkward age because so i had three seventeen seventeen year olds with me and i had one eighteen year olds with me so we couldn't go in the team club and we couldn't go in the eighteen to party clubs and they wouldn't even let them to go in with family because we were like oh we'll go in and hang out and we all go in together and they were like nope. They can't commend. I would like literally nothing for them to do because there were mixed so they hung out in the piazza and they moved from the dance party to the piano player and they just kind of hung out an joked around with the entertainers because that was all they could do you know so they made friends with all the entertainers. They're all their age anyway. They're all like twenty but it was funny so i think if you're bringing kids princess may be a struggle. I also think if you're you're doing alaska princesses and amazing company to us because the cruise was seamless when you say kids might be a struggle kids might struggle like my kids are kids that can kind of adapt if your kids aren't kids can adapt like if you have kids that are on the kids club or all eighteen you're fine but if you have that mix and they don't know how to adapt okay. We're gonna struggle like my kids. Were like all right well. Let's make our fun you now. Let's take line dancing classes. Let's like and they were down there with all the fifty and sixty year old women taken line dancing classes and could care less. They had a great time like they just make their own thought what you know. <hes> you know they did all the trivia games. They did carry okay like they did all this stuff that they could do then that would allow the mix of age to do so. That was the only thing i would say like if you have young kids. You're probably going to do better on like one of the big big. Norwegian ships nice nicely is the trip look nice and oils gorgeous and they just put the medallion in in may okay so they have the medallion which is similar to disney's concept like you walk up to your room door and your door locks like you don't have to hold your key you. You don't have to put a key in a slot. It just says welcome home lauren and it opens the door. That's pretty nice. It's crazy and the medallion knows where you are at all times. Which is how my kids couldn't get into the adult club. They tried respect kinda creepy. They walked walked in and they said within a second. Somebody came up to them and said you need to leave. They said there was nobody at the front door checking anything. They just came within a second. They were right after them and they're like you guys have to leave so they're like that thing tracks us everywhere. We go the take off but then you can't get into your home and you can't get things like so. If you want a drink or you want something you have to use your medallion to got it so if they wanted you know a bottle of water or something they would have to use medallion together. When i took i took the training raining and it was a long time ago but i remember like you can use your iphone or an ipad at the pool and play the gambling games in the in the casino and win excellent money using your iphone ipad and the medallion and downloading this little app yeah so we have and that to me is the one thing where princess is. He's not doing a great job because that medallion. I think did so much more than what we used it for because i i kept seeing oh. You can use your medallion for this but you can't figure out how to do it so a couple of times but it was like you had to log into this to do this. She had to log into this like it's not seamless yet. It's new. Let's not seamless. I think in the end it's going to be amazing and i think it's it's on on its way because supposedly you can order a drink on the medallion on your app and they find you using the medallion and bring you your drink wherever you are. Oh that's gotta be good right. We tried it. They never found us not eight ever found that did i mean i think it's still <hes> very new like this is the first year they're using it and they're just putting it in integrating it into ships little by little and i know the royal just got it in may alfred. That would be an awesome facebook. Live you order the drink and then you just you run you just as right it. 'til facebook live and i thought it was a game of hide and seek come so sorry. I'm gonna keep running. I'm running a a and then all of a sudden they start to close in on you and you're like i don't know kind of neighboring it and you're like ice then you you know it's got to be like one of those teen movies where you like tape it on a cat and you just set them free. That would be funny. Oh my god. I think it's a really cool concept though like i think when when they really get it finally like in the feedback i gave i sent. I wish there was one at like one thing you log into the one thing and you can do everything from it. It would be much more efficient and i think more people would use it. I took the training there were so many things and they all have like some catchy name and you're like this is confusing lying into yes yeah once they it worked out. It'll be better and it looked like they had like jewelry pieces. You could wear it in or a watch list or if you wanted to. I guess if you're a yeah they have a watch so it kind of reminds me of like swatch watch. Almost it's like a rubber watch. We just did the lanyard and the watch is an upgrade of like ten dollars a person. I was like the lanier it's fine. I don't need to <hes> people were with had the watch and they liked it. They said it was comfortable. No but it's funny because when you walk up to the bar the bartender will say to you hi laurin freaky because you pop up on the screen when you walk up to the bar. That's your name. That's customer service. That's the next lovey lawrence and says that it was the medallion but it was the wine order. It was the pino. They knew she was coming. Here's a crazy. I was allergic to the penal greasy on that shape shep what what happened so about three or four days in now. It was like three days in every time time. I ordered a glass of pinot gratiot attack so i was like i tested did it so two nights in a row at happened. I got a glass of pinot gratiot and i sneezed for like an hour. After i drank. It and i'm like i was literally at a state of suppression. I was like if i am suddenly allergic to peanuts greasy. Oh my life is going to be over so but they only had had one brand of peanut gratiot and it was all over the ship was like oh do so the next night after two nights i i ordered. This drink called the milky way. Was it was a martini. It was like a chocolate carmelo. Martinez was delicious. It tasted like candy. <hes> so i ordered heard that no c._c. Attack that night will there you go the next night. I ordered a peanut griego and i sneezed again. I was like candle came home and i got a bottle of cavite and i was five. I like all his right with my world and could you imagine if i was allergic to peanut gratiot. Even think of slushy is happening. That's all i can say all right. They must have been something in whatever was in that wine that i was. I must have been allergic to something in the wine but i've never heard of someone having a sneeze reaction to consumed allergen. I don't know i made if it was like something that was airborne like cocoa powder on tirumala sue and suddenly you're allergic to that you'd be like breathing it in and sneezing but to drink it and then sneeze. I don't know it inside. That's weird. I don't oh now. I'm no doctor what about the outer decks was too cold to go in the pool and hang out or what was it like so there were about ten fifteen kids that were in the pool every day. We were watching the weather like the week before in two weeks before and whenever you looked at the weather it said rained aimed. It's a rainforest you have to assume it's gonna rain <hes> but it also was saying it was going to be cooler than what it was and then right before we left the anticipated weather was sixty five to seventy most days we were there and so then i kinda career change a little bit of what i was bringing. I brought like capri jeans short sleeve tops sweatshirt and and i was flying everywhere we went muslims. Sometimes i just short sleeves sometimes had the sweatshirt on. I did have a puffer roll up jacket that fit in my backpack that rolled into a small little ball. We all had those. I think that was probably my best purchase for this cruise. All four of us use awesome all the time. The coldest day was glacier bay and that's just because you're right there right by the glacier <hes> you you know i'm taking notes just chilling on the glacier on the glacier but the weather was i mean we had skagway it rained a- and they didn't even rain at misted and it was colder in the morning and then by the afternoon it was beautiful and sunny like sixty eight seventy. It was gorgeous. We had beautiful beautiful weather and we saw animals galore galore so many animals <hes> it was just it just got better and better and better every where we went. You know what i mean like we. We didn't think we were going to top it and then oh my god that top that and oh my god that top that it was just one of those trips where you just you couldn't get enough of it. The the scenery and wildlife is amazing seems like the trip of a lifetime. That's for sure it definitely earliest photos so okay so then next we went to juno and and a wait wait. Wait wait wait. I have to point out that sharpies text to you was hilarious that that was roll on the floor. Hilarious will tell everyone else who doesn't know whatever this research. I was literally shaking my head. I'm like no. I thank you know what it said because i don't want to mess it up. Go ahead chirpy i. I said hey lauren juno. How far it is from ketchikan skagway never mind. You're on vacation alaska later. What did i write back <music> verification of s._e._m. Age with emoji shaking its head yeah. He posted it on annouce chat. He screen shot it best chat and what i saw that diet. I thought i'm sorry sorry lawrence. I have to do this. You can't control yourself catholic. Yeah i i. It's it's either either a curse or a gift. I haven't decided which one can. I make that decision right. I can make dot com very easily. Sharpies come online only 'cause i love you. I love you a two lawyers. I love you. That's all i gotta say i was when i saw that good times okay. I'm sorry keep going no no that's okay <hes> so in juneau we went well watching and and we did a lot in juneau so we did well watching <hes> and then we went to to the whale project and then we had lunch at the red dog saloon. I'm going to go over with all these things are and then we did the saint saint robert's tramway which was really really cool <hes> so we did all that there so so that was we had a long day. We were in port there. I believe till like nine. Let me say it was nine nine fifteen so that was a long day <hes> and we did. We did well watching brighton early. I think we were like i. I feel like it was like an eight o'clock. Pick up early and they picked a separate from the poor and they took us to was about a half hour drive kinda. I told us a little bit about juneau and did a little ride through town again <hes> and then they took us to a dock. We went out on in the boat for the day and these guys were again. We did short trips huge acid them. They were amazing. <hes> and there was probably about. I don't know maybe twenty five thirty people on the boat so it wasn't a huge boat. It wasn't a really really small boat. The small boats seemed to get very very close to the wales where we had to stay a little bit further back because we had the bigger engine <hes> but we saw so many wells do the whale watching tour. I highly highly recommend it. <hes> if if you're not doing something like landing on a glacier or something like that do the whale watching tour worth every penny we saw we didn't get sandy anything breach which we did see <hes> like called pods we saw like groups of whales like we saw three in a row they know the whales like they they can tell you their names where they're from and they know the whales they track them so <hes> and there was a there was one or to out there that they said was newer that hasn't been named yet but it's interesting because they were like oh they're go- sally and ethel and bob. You know what i mean. They're named it's crazy <hes> and they told us you know all about the whales and and their habits and where where they go in the spring and the summer and like where they are at different times a year and when they come back to ask <hes> <hes> we saw so many well a- absolutely beautiful and then they took us a little further out and they took us way out to where all there was like there must have been one hundred jersey lions just laying on a beach hanging out playing goofing around so so so so beautiful. It was is just spectacular <hes> so it was fun. We had a really good time we had great staff there too and then when they were we were on our way back back. I had heard about the project and <hes> i it was my goal to go go to the well project and the project is a huge statue with a fountain and it's kind of off the beaten track so it's not easy. It's about thirty minutes from town. <hes> <hes> and we asked mistake would drop us off the well projects on the way back from the tour and they did so if you do this and you go on a tour and you're passing it s them to drop you on the way back we had. We spent about half hour there. We had so much fun. It's this whale. It's this massive whale like statue with a fountain. The fountain goes off every fifteen minutes when the fountain goes off if you take a picture the right way. It looks like the whale is real and breaching right behind you. So i took a picture i posted it on my facebook page and there were so many people we're like oh my god. I can't believe that that can't be reliable and i just let it sit for a day and then i posted all the pictures of the statue and they were all like man so if you go with your friends and go to the whale project it's really cool but we took like i think we did like a half hour photo shoot there so we had tons of pictures pictures and we'll post a picture of it on mouse chat also join save and then we went over to the red dog saloon for lunch for like a late lunch <hes> <hes> so this place is very very touristy but it's adorable. They have live music play. The guy looked like willie nelson. That was fine music. <hes> the tables are tiny ninety sawdust all over the floor of the place looks like a hoe dunk like saloon from hundred years ago. You know what i mean <hes> <hes> but we had lunch food was good and we ordered the famous dog far shots or always suck farts dog one duck far and and it's a shot it's got qaluwa bailey's and crown royal and they're delicious and and they're like known for their the shot so we did the tourist thing and got the duck. I shot so that was fun. <hes> after lunch we walked over back over by the peering over by the peer they have saint robert's tramway saint robert's tramway. Is this car that holds. I don't know maybe forty. I'm really bad with that stuff. So maybe fifty people like it holds about forty people i'd say and you ride up the side of this mountain on a cable in this car and when you get to the top you've got spectacular views of june. Now it's absolutely beautiful up there and if you do it on a clear day you've got really good view. So you want to kind of make sure look around before you go up and make sure that it's not like <hes> low lying clouds or any fog. There's a lot of fog there. Sometimes so we went up there walked around spent about an hour up there and then we came back down. I don't recommend doing it later in the day before they closed because it's very crowded to exit exit. Try to do it more mid day if you can if you can time it right but there's trails and hiking and stuff up there. My husband hiked all the way up to the top the very top of it to the cross looking for wine so we spent into full day there. We got back to the ship. Probably around six thirty i guess and then went in for we got changed and went to dinner. You're so that was that was a great day funday but it was full like we did a lot and i still didn't i wanted to get over to the mendenhall glacier and we didn't make it over there it to the to the park area but everything in june is a little bit more spread out so you can do a couple of things but you really have to pick what you're doing so now. We're all your tours princess tours or did you get off an uber around some of these places. Did all of our tourists through short were trips. We didn't do any princess tours on the cruise portion on the land side we did but the crew side we only did short trips so so then had dinner that night and then we did we got the skagway. The next day and skagway was another day. They were late. We were there from six a._m. Till eight thirty in the morning as date night sorry and talks gangway was our full day tour we had a seven and a half hour tour setup that day and it was you conrail bus and dog dog sled that was when we did so i picked this one because this one said opportunities to emerald lake and i had read a lot about emerald emerald lake and emerald lake was supposed to be beautiful but not many tourists go to it because it is further up. It's passed the dog sled. Mushin camp. <hes> and i really wanted to emerald lake was a bucket list thing for me. It was something on my list of things i wanted to do and when we were the first ones wants to get to the tour and the guy actually that was our tour guide was from long island so we started talking to him and i asked him if he was taking us up to emerald lake and he's like well. We don't always go to emily but because you asked me and you're the first ones here. We're going to emerald take so. He took us to emerald lake. That's thing yes. I was got there early and kind of made nice with him because we we got to go to they. Can everybody actually said it was one of their favorite things that they did on the tour because it was beautiful. This lake is spectacular. It's it's emerald green. <hes> it's absolutely beautiful that sounds beautiful so i needed to see it so take a bus or train in an mush by dog their show yeah kind of so we did the bus tour up and the train back and that was the white pass railway <hes> which is the old take trains and so we bust up and the bus was on the bus i think nine round the bus from nine to three and we stopped for lunch too and the bus was kind of like the he was great because he was like okay everybody kinda. Let's talk real quick before we go and these are the things we're definitely gonna hit. Is there anything anybody else wants to see. I know we've got an emerald lake person you know and a couple of people shattered a couple other things they wanted to see and he hit those spots <hes> he he took us to off the beaten track kind of places to so. We got to see some really cool stuff. We actually pulled up alongside a bear walking right next to us literally. Take us right there. There was a bear just hanging out on the side of the road was the craziest thing but he would pull over if we saw wildlife if he would like he was telling us about the gold rush in the history of skagway and just everything it it was it was fantastic and he told us all about the white pass railway <hes> so it was it was a long tour but i never got bored art. Does that make sense like ever felt like oh god. I gotta get back on that bus. You know it's like listening to mouse chat. It's not at all. Oh we'll go with that. We'll just we'll go with that so but yes so we did and then we got we went up into the yukon we went to was to call we went to <hes>. The dogs dogs the dog musher camp which was so stinking cute. The poppies were so q. We wanted to take the puppies home and they had if you want to do the meshing thing you can do the mushin' thing <hes> and they thought it was interesting. We watched it like how they do. It and it's there in a jeep like a like a four wheeler type of thing but bigger and the jeep goes. I wanted to say he said twenty five or no ten or fifteen miles. I think it's ten miles an hour. The jeep is driven at at the die drives at ten miles at our it and the dogs are pacing with it basically so they're not pulling it but they're pacing it. Does that make sense <hes> and he said that that's how they train them to run it. The the level they want to run out so whatever the miles per hour. They want the dog to run out. That's what they pay so the dogs pulling it. He's driving and he's pacing with the dogs and but he'll like make a command and the dog would go right or left it and stuff like that. He said it was interesting. <hes> but we the puppies we play with the puppies they had llamas <hes> they had ponies. They had like a little museum area and then we ate lunch in a covered wagon which was the coolest thing like we actually ate lunch in a covered wagon <hes> but they had they served a barbecue lunch with chicken and ribs and the corn and stuff like that it was good <hes> so that we did that and then they took us up to lake and then they took us to who this little town that ace cream and you could kind of walk over on the train tracks and it was just as quaint little town it was pretty and then from there we took us over to the they drove down to the train station where we did two two hours on a train back and it was the white pass route so we got to see more wildlife and scenery that you would never see if you didn't do do this tour. It was spectacular. The views are beautiful and then we left there. We kind of walked through the downtown area. We got dropped off in the downtown ontario skagway and they would bust back to the poor but we chose to walk through the town and so we just kind of walk through the town of walk back to the poor <hes> so that was our last stop after that we had to at sea the day's one was glacier bay and we were english or bay from six o'clock in the morning until three o'clock in the afternoon. <hes> glacier bay was beautiful. It's been twenty years since i saw it <hes> it actually doesn't it looks like it's a little smaller to me. Honestly which it makes me sat but i'm sure that's global warming but glacier bay is if you don't know what glacier bay is. It's this beautiful section of ice. So glacier bay was beautiful. It was it was spectacular. Although i have to say the next day we did the college. Say it for me. 'cause i can't say knowledge no accomplished lisa. What are you saying. I can't say the oh you're seaports. I always screw it up. I can't say so we did the college fjords and those were really. I was not expecting those to be as pretty as they were but you only get an hour there and it's at night like when we because we were going north it was at night. If you're coming south. It's going to be earlier in the day <hes> but because we were going north. It's right by whittier so we did that. I think we're in there for like an hour and a half and one thing i can say is is in alaska if you can't afford it spring for a balcony the views of glacier bay in college fjords when we were outside sitting on our balcony were beautiful beautiful beautiful beautiful and you can go down to by the fool and get they have fleece blankets. You can sign out and you'd be at least at least blankets yeah so so if it's chilly when you're there you can just sign out a blanket. They're serving hot cocoa and it's nice. It's relaxing so like we we sat on the we went up top for some of it but we sat on the balcony for a lot of it because they they turned the ship so you can just sit on your balcony on and watch and most of the time when you're cruising the inside passage you're passing land so they're such like rich was out out there constantly watching just watching the land go by taking pictures looking for wells like just enjoying the scenery so if you can sprang for the balcony i highly recommended on alaska the assets to cede land wise whereas traditional see cruz. Your team is the time you're yeah i mean i love that view of course but right when when you're you're an alaskan cruise yeah that's that's definitely i would definitely we definitely expert for the balcony one hundred percent and and i'm not one normally i'm like. I'm fine inside cabin. I don't care you know but honestly was the the best money we spent <hes> and we actually at the last minute we got offered princess. <hes> emailed us. They mailed a lot of people. I'm sure but they emailed us and said for seventy eighty five dollars a person you can upgrade from an inside cabin to a balcony. I upgraded the girls so close seventy five dollars a kid up grades. I'm definitely can't so as far as crowd wise. How was the it wasn't bad again. Though small ship it was a small ship was very spread out like we were by a railing the whole time. I never saw anybody to deep at all like everybody had railing spots at one at one so they do have the sanctuary if you ever cruise the royal. I don't recommend the sanctuary because there's blue glass. We went to check it out. The sanctuary is you can book it. It's sixty dollars per person and you get snacks and i think he'd get bloody. Marys and mimosas is and hot chocolate blankets and you get your own lounge chair right up against the glass but it's all blue glass so we walked through the whole sanctuary and i was like <hes> we'll just go sit on the balcony view view without blue glass. I i wanna be. I'll take pictures <hes> so we went up not doing it. It was definitely the right call because it was sixty bucks. A person was on royal caribbean on on princess. It was on the ship. We were on of rail princess. Okay gotcha has blue glass was not shipped had that so look look if you're going in. You're doing a princess cruise and they have a sanctuary. Just ask around and make sure that it's not one that has blue glass. That's that's the key yeah yeah if it's been your good but if it's bill i wouldn't do it so <hes> so that was that that day and then so that was our last day on the cruise and we got off the ship the next day was pouring in whittier but they said it pours in whittier like ninety percent at the time so that didn't surprise me and we were transferring to a trained from the cruise to at the train and seamless when i tell you you've seamless. This is where i became extremely extremely impressed with princess so we got off they they give you a time to me and you go to a certain lounge and they disembarked you as a group so our group all went down same time we got into the area. We sat there for maybe ten minutes. They called our group and we walked outside. We skin to get out. We walked outside. They had everything covered all the way to the train. We walked off the ship right onto the train seamless. <hes> we got on the train. We had assigned seats on the train. You're able to send like we took three bags so we took took two bags with us on the land portion and we sent one bag directly to anchorage. I highly recommend that to only take what you need for for those couple of days and that bag met us at was in the hotel room when we got to anchorage. We have to do anything <hes> so we got on the train assigned seats. The train is the reason we picked princess. So most of the cruise lines have the train now but they aren't all the glass dome so everybody that books accrues on princess sits sits in a seat with a glass dome on top so it's two levels the lower level is <hes> like a lounge area and it's <hes> dining like dining car and then the upper level is for all the passengers and the upper level is glass completely circular glass around the most spectacular views driving through <hes> we had such great staff on the rail so enthusiastic so much knowledge so much information literally loved what they do. You could tell like just so excited to be there and i think it makes all the difference in the world. It was a nine hour train ride from whittier to denali. I i <hes> they entertain. They talked they pointed out things like you would think they had never saw like a moose but every time they saw an and everybody did the same thing on every tour twelve both three six and nine they'd be like one o'clock. There's a there's a moose at one o'clock in everybody knew to look to the right up front <hes> but she was like pointing out animals left and right and you can't stop on the train so that you would see them because she would point them out <hes> and then they would come through for drinks. Serving drinks in the seats seats were extremely comfortable <hes> and that about halfway through the crews row by row. They took everybody down to the dining car to eat lunch and it was like you're in a restaurant you order off a menu food was fantastic and and we sat down there for an hour or so watching things go by you can still hear them talking and what they're saying and there was a spot you could go out and they had a big landing outside where you can go outside on the train and watch you know if you wanted to be outside so it was fantastic again did not i feel like nine hours on a bus or train or anything like it was very very very fast because there's so much to so much to see. It's not not a whole lot to do but there's tons tons to see which makes it exciting time. Pass and i mean you have to think too like we're on this this training. We're like we're never doing this again. Most likely although lisa did try to talk me into it a week later on you can come with me. She's like do you wanna go to alaska with me. I'm like i am literally flying home today from alaska. Should i stay here. I have to be honest. If it was a year later i probably could have been talked into it very easily <hes> <hes> but it was fantastic and the reason i picked princess was there train when you saw other trains because we did pass other trains along along the way when you see other trains going by they all have the dome but it's only there concierge level clients to get the dome <hes> the window a regular window and that is the difference between princess and princess holland and everybody eddie else because princess and hollander the same they they use the same trains and when it comes to alaska by train. There's no place like dome exactly dear your god heaven you know <hes> so so the tray we got sit denali and at at the end they did champagne toast when we finished which was i thought a great way to finish. It was fun. We hopped on a bus fifteen minute ride to the hotel and we went to the. It's now a princess lodge. I loved the denali. Princess lodge <hes> really cute very hokey very like it it was it looked very lodge like it was very large like they had little shop than they had great restaurants. Great food great staff loved the the denial lodge <hes> real quick. I'm gonna backtrack is on the train. When you do a princess land sea tour everybody gets it's a tour included and it's called the denali park natural history tour and it was a battle data two and a half hours three hour tour everybody gets that included <hes> when you're on the rail they're gonna come through they came through and they actually said to us anybody wanna upgrade to the tundra which is seven and a half hour tori you just basically pay the difference between the cost of the two and you can upgrade and we knew that was something we were going to want to do. So we all upgraded to the <hes> the tender tour literally the best seventy dollars spent on that cruise one hundred percent the best money money spent on that cruise sco their next but just they do offer it. If you're on princess and you take the rail and you didn't upgrade yet they will offer it. You can also upgrade ahead of time we just we knew everybody can upgrade so we just did it we do. We're going to do it there so we just wanted to do it <hes> <hes> but it's something that if you wanna do i highly recommend it so anyway back to the denali lodge. I'm trying to stay in order are sorry so very hokey but really nice. Clean rooms were great. Our party was together or at every hotel and i was a little worried about that because we were a larger group now a larger group. We were a couple rooms. So i was worried we work at all kinds of we're going to be scattered every hotel we went to. We were boom boom all in a row. They kept us all together consistently across the board through the whole trip <hes> which i liked even seating on the train everything for everything was together. We were never separated. Which was you know you kind of worry. When you're you're moving moving okay. We're here for two nights. Were here for one night. We're here for one night you worry about will they consistently keep everything together and they did a beautiful job on it <hes> <hes> every time we got our package we were together because you don't know all that you you have no way of knowing that ahead of time so we get to the lodge we got off the bus as we get off the bus. They hand us. Our package package includes information about the lodge a map with where you're remiss m._s. your room key. You're all checked in you. Don't have to go to the front desk. You don't have to deal with the front desk to put a credit card on file. You do nothing you go in you. Get your room. Your luggage is in your room waiting for you. Everything is done for you. Seamless is it is the word i would use over and over and over again for princess seamless so we go in we freshen up we changed and we had seven forty five dinner reservations for the music of denali show which was down the road like five minutes down the road so so they had they had like a shuttle that would take other locations so we took the shuttle to the dinner and it was barbecue style food. They cover all you can eat big salad <hes> they did ribs. They did fish <hes> what else mashed potatoes the corn bread. There was a couple of things <hes> so. We got our seats for the show. Show is horrible it was it's basically about the history of denali about the the first people to climb mount mount mckinley denali so we saw that show very good singing funny cute show. I would probably do it again. It wasn't like like a you have to see the show type of thing but it was cute. <hes> the lodge that was in was really cute too so that was at another lodge lodge and they when we got there. They actually had somebody outside singing. They had fire pits going really cool place <hes> and then we went back to the hotel after we just kind of relaxed and because we were getting up in the morning for seven and a half hour tour yeah and i think we're on the eighth thirty tour so we got up early had breakfast <hes> made our way to the to the front of the hotel for for the tour they picked you're right at the hotel and this was all done with princess employees as well so the tundra trolls on the school school bus which terrified me slightly seven and a half hours on a school bus right <hes> they only to go into denali park they they allow fifty buses a day to go past a certain point of the road so you can drive like the i feel like it's thirty minutes and then the rest of the time only the tourists can go win so you can't go and say i'm just going to go up and drive it. I'm not going to do a tour. You are literally going to see nothing denali nothing so don't do that. The tunder hundred tour takes you deeper in again. They allow only fifty buses a day to it. Only tour operators and that's one company nobody else that's it and so we and it's scheduled stops so we're stopping every ninety minutes and that's it like and they do stop along the road. Don't get me wrong so the tour can either be like seven and a half hours or up to <hes>. I think eight and a half hours max i think we hit close to the eight and a half hours. We stopped and saw he was like we'll probably see four to maybe six animals. The max i've ever seen is nine. The max stops. I've ever done is nine. That's with our tour guide said he's like. We don't normally see a ton. He's like so. Don't get your hopes up. We had to stop between fifteen and twenty times easily at one one point. There were three bear on the side of us on a mountain. There was a moose out are right and there was a caribou behind us on the road it. It was crazy. It was crazy so like what what was your field of view right there ribeiro moose and occurred curb walk into a bar right the bear says but the bear so we didn't know the caribou was behind the bus us at first because all of a sudden we're watching the bear and it was a momma bear and like it looked like to like teenage type bears and they were a a little further up from us but they were like right there on the side of the hill by us and we were there for we were probably watching them for good ten minutes and all of a sudden we're like what are they looking at and everybody looks to the other side of the bus and there's moose and they're like but they're not looking at the meuse because they can't see the moose were blocking the moves those caribou right behind the bus. We were like oh ooh. There's caribou right there. We didn't even know it was crazy but we saw we saw so so many animals. It was crazy and they have this cool thing that if you're not close to the animal they have this binocular thing on the plus the zooms in on it you pop the t._v. Screens down and you're looking right at it. Oh that's neat beautiful perfect clear crystal view so like people that were like on the left side of the boss still got to see what was going on the right side of the bus because of that it was really cool. That's cool and the bus was actually so it was a school bus because they can't take in the bigger buses. They won't allow them to take in a bus bigger than a school bus so they gutted the whole inside of the school bus and the inside of the school bus is actually the same kind of seats as you would sit in like a motor coach and had overhead compartments to put your stuff but it was an actual school bus so it was really it was interesting. It was crazy so we took this descried all the way up to the top of all the way like into the tundra and we went about i guess three and a half hours in and then three and a half towers back and then he had all the stops in between so <hes> and then he different stops where we were able to take pictures and beautiful beautiful scenery i mean i mean like i just kept looking. It looks like paintings over and over like everywhere you you've looked with the landscape was just the most spectacular thing you've ever seen and you would see glaciers and the mountains the the colors and it it was beautiful like if you're into nature one hundred percent you need to go to alaska and you're thinking the whole time and i wish mouse chat was with me. I you know i did. I was wishing for puns. No ponds c. c. I sent on just at the right time. I was really missing it. I'm not gonna lie so but yeah so then we went back. We had dinner that night relaxed but yeah i mean the tundra was the best money we spent on on anything extra. We did on this cruise so then the next day. We got up early morning again. Oh no was it early. Morning might not have been early early morning trying to remember now yeah. I guess i think we left it like it was like tennis we left it denali lodge and went up to because we did two nights there then we went to mount mckinley wilderness lodge so oh mount mckinley wilderness lodge is the closest. You'll get to mount mckinley so everywhere else we went. Everybody would say oh. She's not peeking out today. There's some kind of a weather thing that goes on over mount mckinley denali whatever it's called denali now there's some weather formation that the mountain is hidden majority of the time and this was the coolest part about mount mckinley lodge because we go up there and there is just spectacular viewing areas at this hotel of the mountain and they're everybody's like oh. She made up peak out the whole time you're here. We were only there for one night. We pull up in the bus and the mountains peeking out we saw the top of the mountain. It was still had some cloud coverage but we actually had a view of it and everybody was like oh you're among the thirty percent only thirty percent of the people that go there actually get to see the moun-. That's really cool so we were like wow we actually got a piece of it like it wasn't a clear you're defined view but you saw you could see it. You could tell where it was and you can see like there. Were still some clouds but you could actually see it and it's all white so it kind of blends them and then we got up the next morning. I'll go back to what we did that day but we got we got there around noon. We <hes> we had lunch and we went to this. Little town called tequilla which which is about an hour away <hes>. I wouldn't go there just to go there. I would set up an excursion if i ever went back and do an excursion hang hang out in the town and then come back. It's an hour. It's a long drive. I kind of wish we didn't do that. That was the only thing i kinda regretted <hes> but i would do. I think it's cute to see if you're doing a tour and that's where all the tourists go out of so <hes> but anyway so the next day we get up and we weren't leaving mckinley until later in the day so it was it was like i think it was like two o'clock departure from there our to anchorage so we're like just hanging out all the sudden the entire mountain appears it was spectacular back tackler and it wasn't in by clouds. It was there. I was like oh my god. We only saw a piece of it yesterday. It's uh-huh it was spectacular we <hes> i'll give you a picture of that to to post. 'cause i got a great picture of that. It was amazing sounds like you took a tundra pictures tundra definitely but there's not a lot to do it mount mckinley princess wilderness so i think there's a reason why there's only one night there. You're there to have a shot at saying the mountain. I literally believed that that that's why you're you're there. I do have to say as much as i think. Princess is amazing and again. We arrived there. Were handed are packet with our room keys as and oliver rooms were one three row luggage within the room. No issues smooths everything was perfect the food and the service and the restaurants terrible consistently ownership at mckinley law everywhere else we went everything was impeccable but mount mckinley principled donors lodge was horrible horrible horrible service the log. I had lunch horrible service horrible food. We had dinner horrible service harbor food. We had breakfast decent service decent food or breakfast. Everything else was terrible like bad like really bad service <hes> so but that would be my only complaint and i would go back because it it was such great views of the mountain and you're not getting them anywhere else. Okay hello. I invited you back. So then we had the morning there and then we went to anchorage we left around two and it was i think it was a three hour bus ride and and we got to anchorage just in time for dinner. We stayed at the captain cook hotel which was right in downtown anchorage right in the heart of the city. Actually so we freshened up actually ate dinner. There was just easier. We're all tired got up the next day and we had the whole day in anchorage next day so we checked our bags out. <hes> at twelve o'clock was checkout so we check our bags out and then and we went and we walked around because we had until i think five we had like five hours so we went and we kind of walked town. I wish i would have booked an excursion here like just like a quick to our something but we were all tired at that point to even try to find something thing last minute. We just kind of hung out. We walked around the city. We went we actually found like where they were fishing for salmon and watch that for a little while we walked the entire tire city <hes> and just kind of took all the sites in there and then we had lunch later lunch and then headed back to the hotel and went to the airport <hes> but again every thing every movement everything princess did was seamless perfect could not say enough easy perfect no guesswork so you do the cruise lose because i didn't even understand this until you were talking about us. You do the cruise and then you get you. Pack your stuff and then they pick it up in the room and then so you sound like you're doing excursion surgeon. They're like taking you deep into the heart of alaska only thing we didn't do. We didn't goes for up his fairbanks. <hes> if i could do it again i would do fairbanks and i would do which is what i wanted to do but date wise it didn't work out for us so we had to northbound and southbound but if i were to do it again i would recommend and i knew is this going in i would recommend land and then say i was just gonna ask you that and and i knew that i knew going in yeah. I knew it wasn't going to be what i wanted but i wanted to do this. Trip and with the girls going to college and with one of the other girls that were coming with us had something going on the first two weeks of july like we were really limited when we could go and i wanted that ship okay so you start either atlanta and then go to the ship or on the ship and go to land. It's not not like you come back to the ship. Ship takes you back to where you started. So you end like in in wherever you are on the right okay okay we would've floyd from there right we could have flown into air anchorage and done the land portion and then been taken to whittier and the like then we would have taken the train to whittier and then the occurs which in in my opinion is the better way to go because it's more relaxing. You're doing the you're doing the hard portion the land portion in where you're moving a lot more reading and then you get on the ship and you have two days at sea with glacier cruising yeah we do that if if people do disney the world and a cruise we always liked to do and to disneyworld first and then everything's included and you're not gonna like you're paying for everything and it's more relaxing on the cruise and it's a good way to end it so yeah yep sal <hes> if i did it again i would. I would make sure it was done so so i could reverse it but like i said we were. We're limited to a a two week period of time we could do it and i had a specific ship. I wanted so it limited us to to. I had to pick and choose. I wanted you know so but i mean hands down trip of a lifetime. One of the most memorable trips. I mean even my girls. You know they're teenagers. They loved it and my kids sir into scenery and taking pictures and the animals and you know so if you have kids that are like that. They're going to enjoy it. It was fantastic. It was fabulous. Yes would you put any kind of age restraints on it. I have to be honest. My niece and nephew were supposed to come with us who are ten andy and yeah. I think they would have done fine on the cruise because they would have been in the kids club. I think they would have had a little struggle there but i think the long train rides and the law the two long tours we did they would have struggled and you have to think about it to your spending for this type accrues for a family of four it. It costs me twelve thousand dollars so you wanna do this tour and and you want to do it right and you want your kids to remember. This isn't really one of those reduce situations right. This is a once in a lifetime tour. This is not something you know. We're lucky because my parents took us when we were twenty rich and your memories to be their misery right so you wanna make sure and and you know what if you wanna do this trip with young kids i would pick the bigger ship. I would pick the norwegian joy. That's got you know all the bells and whistles so the kids on the crews are going to be loving life and actually we're going to be doing that next summer so we'll be able to report back on norwegian the region joy right so we'll give you know it was definitely an older crowd and the crews it's definitely caters to the older crowd you know but we we enjoy sitting in the lounge listening to music and just hanging out and we would we would go. We were on the dance floor dance to the seventies and eighties music like it cruises what you make of it so if you go oh into it thinking they need to entertain. You need to find stuff that can entertain you those differences in my opinion. You know you go on those big ships and those big ships are going we to entertain you. The smaller ships you kind of have to find a way to entertain yourself almost does that make sense the two different experiences. What a treptow anybody. That's got it on their bucket list. Start saving and do it sounds like a blast. We planned it for two years. Ibook book this trip to december's ago neighborhood planning yep so and i didn't really plan the tours and stuff until a year out like i started looking at tours like a year out but you know but i started paying on it two years ago which is a great thing about a cruise is you. Have you have such a great lead time in order to make payments. Which is why i was able to swing it because if i tried to do this and go in like three months there's no way i could afford it. You know i mapped it out and i made payments on it and it didn't hurt so that's the way to do a bucket lists. You know if you wanna if you wanna do something like that advance booking thing and make payments on it and that's a great trip because her kids went to college is like the they're they're going away <music> sendoff yes well and that was it that was part of their graduation gift so you know and they their friends parents gave their daughter the trip for her graduation gift to and she had no idea she was coming with us until <unk> graduation day. Which was what june twenty third. Oh my gosh july nineteenth so she found out one month before the show is going to alaska and they surprised her like they had planned. It paid off the whole time with us so she was always coming with us for two years but that was their gift to her. They were sending to alaska with us south 'cause she asked them if she could come with us and they were like absolutely in and then they called me. Yes she can come with you. Just don't tell her oh. I'm like oh great. I got to keep a secret for two years. I'm not really good at that sure no problem well. Do you think that four days on land was enough was a four it was four nights. Yeah i was ready. Honestly i would do. I would do fairbanks so next time so i would do the five or six night or next time but i would land i but i think i think all the moving at the end was why i was done. You know what i mean had your american awesome yeah because as seamless as they make it and they really do make it so easy. It's tiring. You know it's it's a lot of moving. It's you know oh and here's the other thing everybody should know. If it's beautiful out and it's warm out there is no air conditioning alaska until you get to anchorage. It's it's funny but it's make sense because they don't really need it no they don't i remember being in a transfer in jamaica and i said have you ever used that heat setting and he's like no mon in alaska. They're not gonna have a._c. It makes sense yep so i mean there were fans there ceiling fans in every room for predecessor were and there was also like a oscillating fan that you could plug in which we did the one night 'cause the one that was hot so but we dressed very like except for vancouver. I never wore shorts. My husband did but my husband you know it can be thirty five and he thinks it's hot out so you can't go by him. He has no no thermometer up but like i work capri jeans low stays with with a short sleeve shirt and that i would wear like <hes> a sweater over it or sweatshirt over it and then usually in the morning running i would need the sweatshirt and then by the afternoon i would it and then by the evening i would again and some days i needed to sweatshirt the whole day but for the most part and i had the <hes> <hes> we on amazon the little puff the puffer jacket it's it's got the feathers in it and knits it rolls into a tiny little ball so it fits in your backpack. It's it's so lightweight and <hes> and it didn't make you sweat. It wasn't heavy had a hood so it was rainy. You just put the hook up. <hes> probably one of the best purchases we made like you read all the pages and everybody says oh you need rain boots. You need this. I took an umbrella with me. I never used my umbrella. That doesn't mean it doesn't rain a lot in alaska it does we had no rain though we had those couple of hours of missed in the morning skagway and that was all the rain except for that and whittier transferring to the train and it only reigned for an hour on the rail so we really didn't experience rain hardly at all and i know that's not normal <hes> but you know we took a lot of extra stuff with us thinking we were going to deal with more rain than we did so i'm still gonna bring it all and i asked to be honest with you. I would bring it all again you kind of have to you just don't know and and honestly just like we would look at the predicted weather for the next day at our next port and it was never and i mean never what it waas when when we get into port and see what the weather was always completely different than what the the weather app said it was going to be it was interesting. Oh and here's another funny thing so rich set from the yukon. We were at that little to this little town. In the yukon territory and one one of the teachers at his school has <hes> this huge bulletin board with a map of the world and she asks all of her students to send a postcard when they go someplace different and unique to her so she can put it up on the bulletin board and marks for people she knows his band so when we did mount rushmore last year rich sent a postcard tour from rushmore and then this year when we got up into the yukon there was this teeny tiny little like one horse town post office so he went over to the little gift shop. What a postcard wrote it out real a quick tour went into the yukon mailed it. It came today. He mailed it three weeks ago. Gosh weeks ago well. It came in today. Mill services just slow out of the yukon. How crazy is that. I was cracking up. I'm like you don't have to send flowers to anybody up there. They'd be dead by the better better. Make sure there are <hes> artificial very cool right well that that's going to wrap up the show. This is all rain today. No there's a lot to cover so oh. That's all we're going to do on this show. I'd like to think vacations for sponsoring the podcast. If you enjoy listening to the shows ask surrey. She'll find more for you. You have comments imus or questions for us. You can write to us comments at mousetrap dot net. Thanks so much for listening and join us again next time on those yeah.

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401- The Natural Experiment

99% Invisible

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401- The Natural Experiment

"This is ninety nine percent invisible. I'm Roman Mars is normally cruise ship season in southeast Alaska. Every year around this time these floating behemoths filled with tourists. Sail up the inside passage stopping at little coastal port towns like Sitka and Ketchikan One of the popular destination along the route is glacier bay. It's this spectacular bay full glaciers and the name and icebergs and sea otters and lots and lots of Humpback Whales turn the National Park Service regulates how many cruise ships can come in and out of the bay and how close they can get to the whales but still the humpbacks. They're there in the summer. Have to live alongside roaring boat engines. A new what we know is that animals change their behavior when the ocean gets noisy Michelle Forte is an acoustic ecologist at Cornell. Every summer she travels to Glacier Bay. To drop a hydrophone in the water was an in on what the whales are saying and study being affected by ship noise this year. Michelle was preparing for her annual trip to go. When the CO bid nineteen shutdowns were announced so Friday. The thirteenth was the last day that we were allowed to be in the lab at work before we had to start sheltering in place and with that also met from my perspective was that my summer field season was cancelled that the trip to Alaska I was meant to take to go and do work with these animals wasn't going to happen. The Lab Cornell would also need to close and so all the scientists gathered together for a final in-person meeting to try to plan out how everyone was going to keep their research going from home. Michelle mentioned that the summer crew season would probably not even happen this year in Alaska at which point another person at the meeting broke in with a question and one of my colleagues and friends looked at me and she asked me you know. Are you listening in other words? Even if she couldn't go to see the wheels person was she's still planning on listening to them. And I realized I wasn't and and all of a sudden my my personal sentimental brain turned off in my biologist brain. Turn back on and an immediate flurry to get hydrophones. In the water ensued. In that Moment Michelle realized that although her research trip had been cancelled the grown virus shutdown had created an incredible opportunity for the first time in decades. The ocean would be quiet for an entire summer. And so what that means for somebody like me. As researcher is that we have the opportunity to listen to undisturbed behavior for the first time. Usually Michelle relies on quiet periods in an individual day to try to understand how ship noise changes will behavior. I get excited. We have six or seven hours of silence in the ocean. I built an entire dissertation around the fact that Glacier Bay is one of the few areas in the world where you can predictably have moment's silence and now what we have is months of silence so act. This is unheard up right after that final meeting the lab. Michelle started calling people in Alaska. Who can help her out? I had to call my best friend because all of make your lives in her garage and could she blowups buoy for me and Tyson. Line for me. If I could put a hydrophone which she'd be willing to attach it to a shack will passed off to someone else to put it on Anchor. Who would then get it onto a boat and drop it in the ocean. Eventually with the help of lots of people in Alaska. They got hydrophones into the water. Michelle is now set to record. An entire summer of whale sounds in strangely quiet seas. This is the first time in human history That we've been able to listen to truly quiet behavior which is something that the researchers could have never engineered on their own missiles. Hypothesis is that the complexity of interactions between Wales. We'll go up so if you think about having a conversation a really loud room. Let's say you're at a bar and you're trying to talk to someone you're GonNa Talk Louder and you're GonNa talk higher in. You'RE GONNA use pretty simple words to make sure that your understood but if you're sitting at home having a cup of tea on your couch and there's no music playing and it's quiet and you're talking to someone who's beloved to you. The nature of the conversation can get really nuanced. So that's one of the things that we'd like to find out with these humpbacks is when they're not struggling to be heard does the complexity of what they say increase Are they willing and able to have more nuanced? Acoustic interactions that. Perhaps they can't have. It's noisy but whatever happens. Mozelle assist excited to dig into the data. We will finally get a baseline for what the ocean sounds like. In the absence of human activity. In general the corona virus shutdowns have been terrible for academic research trips have been cancelled. Labs have shut down and long running. Experiments have been interrupted but there are some researchers like Michelle for whom the shutdowns have provided a unique opportunity. A whole new data set a chance together. New Information or information in a new way in science. The term natural experiment refers to an experiment. That happens outside of the lab and outside of the control of the experimenter with a pandemic the world outside the lab has changed dramatically and it has affected all kinds of systems that can be measured for the first time in the modern so this week our producers have brought us stories from very different fields about researchers who are using this tragic and bizarre moment to learn something new about the world. First up is producer. Emma Fitzgerald Jolanta is a city in northern India in the state of Punjab and like all Indian cities want heart has been in lockdown with everybody inside their homes but a couple of weeks ago. There was this bright sunny day and the residents of the city went out onto their roofs. And what they saw was this amazing view of the snow. Capped Himalayas which are about one hundred miles away in the city was celebrated like all over Indian social media. They're tons of pictures of these mountains on instagram and tick tock videos of people zooming in on the horizon. So why was this such a big deal because many people were seeing these mountains for the very first time people who lived in lender all their lives had suddenly woken up to this vista of snowcapped mountains across the horizon view that they said that they had never seen before this is raw goo Karnad and he wrote about this phenomenon the New Yorker and he says that because of air pollution the mountains have been completely obscured locals. Think the last time these mountains had been visible was about thirty years ago but because of the shutdown and the lack of pollution from cars and industry the skies were clear in a way that had seemed impossible before that was the kind of scope of John Summation it had made the unimaginable real and so was this phenomenon unique to Joan Dr. Yeah I mean I. It's a particularly dramatic and poetic example really in cities all across India. The Sky is blue and you can see the stars at night. The air feels cleaner in a way that it just hasn't in a really long time and you know air. Pollution is a huge problem in India of the of the twenty cities in the world with the worst air pollution. Fourteen of them are Indian cities. You really can't exaggerate it. India is the global hotspot for for air pollution. And that's that's happened. We've sort of taken that place from China over the last twenty years and one of the cities with the worst air quality is the capital city. Delhi Karnad has lived there for a lot of his adult life and he told me that you know a part of his morning routine would be to check a website that maps the air quality index throughout the city You know just for context when you is over three hundred. It's considered hazardous to your health but Koran said that he would sometimes see readings at nine hundred and ninety nine and the reason it was that figure nine hundred ninety nine was not because that was the correct reading. It's because that's where the Monitor's maxed out even. If you're a writer it feels like language is failing you you kind of describe it yourself visit like Oh God. This is a nightmare sci-fi movie this this is like the apocalypse and none of that helps helps you comprehend the fact that there's smog visible inside your home. That's incredible I mean. Not Seen a mountain is one thing but this is just a gigantic public health tragedy. Totally I mean. I think air pollution is one of the most under appreciated public health problems that we have the W. H. O. Says that four point six million people Die Each year from causes related to to air pollution and and and that's happening all over the world but but it really is most dire in India. The World Health Organization had an estimate from two thousand sixteen. That one hundred thousand Indian children below the age of five had died that year from exposure to kind of particulates in EPA Lucien and the figures make it quite abundantly clear that Indians at dying and being made sick in really vast numbers numbers it it almost too large to process and you know for years. It's felt so law like such a large problem that it's almost unsolvable and that's what makes this moment so extraordinary which is that. We've reached this solution. We fixed this problem without intending to. That is incredible. I mean it really does like create this strain silver lining to an international tragedy. Yeah and you know. I think people are reluctant to use language like that because it's obviously such a terrible situation but there's one group of people for whom the shutdown really has been a gift and that's air pollution? Researchers researchers like Sarath. Guti Quinta. I'm said good condemn. The director and founder of urban emissions are emissions is a independently says crew and We do research on pollution and the scientists at urban emissions are always looking to understand the baseline air quality. Like what would it clean? Air Scenario even look like and usually they use holidays when people are stuck inside or or rainy days to do this but those don't last very long many dreams game for one day and then the navy the next day the wind up starts happening but robot saying here is sustained a sustained period of time. We are seeing numbers so good Says that the shutdown feels like the entire country is basically running giant experiment for him. The phase that I've been using his fullest exponent. A forced experiment that shows you. What happens if you turn many of the major sources of pollution down basically two zero? And when you do that turns out. The air is pretty clean which might seem obvious but the air pollution problem has been so intractable in India and here is this concrete example showing that it's possible to clean up the air so we have an example of sustained reiterated where saying we can maintain this level of emissions. And this is the end of Equality Regan expedience and you know. Having this extended period of clean air is also allowing them to do more. Fine tuned research experiments. Some some of those are really chemistry looking at particular pollutants like ozone for example tracking it. But they're also trying to do a forensic accounting of where all air pollution is coming from. Because there's actually a lot of confusion about this in India. A big question people have is is the pollution generated inside the city by things like cars and trash burning dirty cook stoves or is it floating in from outside sources from things like power plants and heavy industry outside the city or farmers in the countryside burn their fields before they replant All all those sources are contributing to the problem but the uncertainty about about who to blame has allowed cities to basically throw up their hands and say this isn't a problem that we can solve right so the uncertainty allows the people in power just do essentially just passed the buck and not deal with at all. Yeah exactly so. That's been one of the goals of Gucci Kundus Research because certain sources of pollution have been completely turned off while others have carried on Guti. Kunda is able to isolate the different sources of emissions and calculate how much of the pollution that a city is experiencing is generated inside of the city itself and it turns out. It's a lot. We can easily see large chunk of the local sources. City like Delhi League. We find that easily. Seventy percent of the pollution is actually locally generated. So so just so I understand like normally a city like Delhi would would sort of blame the pollution on outside forces saying you know this is coming from power plants outside the city or this is coming from agricultural burning and the reality is like Delhi is responsible for a lot of Delhi's pollution problem Absolutely now a lot of this research has just confirming what the scientists that urban emissions had really been seeing in their models before. But Ragu Karnad says that you know because that analysis was based on on more hypothetical. Modeling policymakers were finding it much easier to reject and ignore. No they have data that conforms. Exactly what their models have been demonstrating which is that. Cities can do much more to fix their own problems and to clean up their own house and you know the biggest thing that a city like Delhi could do to clean up. It's own house is really to take on traffic. Which can be pretty hard problem solving unless you're willing to take you know pretty drastic measures and change the nature of a city. Yeah and you know Deli has tried to do something about cars in the past. For example they have tried one of those odds and evens policies. Where people with an odd last digit on their license plate can drive on some days and then even last digits can drive on the others but it hasn't always been easy to convince people that policies like that are worth it. So that's why the specificity and the credibility of this data is so important. Know you really need to be able to back up your policy. Plans and policy plans needs to be very comprehensive and they need to be very convincing because a lot of people may be put out of work or are severely inconvenienced by the kind of changes that we to. We need to see. But you know. Cities have cleaned up there before. It's possible Beijing. For example used to have the worst air quality in the world But then that became something of an embarrassment when they were chosen to host the Olympics in two thousand eight where you can have that athletes like huffing and puffing the most toxic the world look for days and days on end. Yeah right right and so they put in you know all these really intense restrictions to clean up the air in time for the Games. The Olympics took place and when they were done all those restrictions were lifted and very quickly. The air went back to being as bad as it has had been before but but now people were unhappy about what it seemed impossible to ask for had proven to be possible to deliver deliver which was blue skies and clean air and to not live in the most polluted city in the world which was what. Beijing. What's so so now. There was a public outcry and the city responded to that public outcry staging tighten emission standards on trucks subsidized electric cars. They regulated traffic and congested areas and built a giant bike share program. They closed coal fire. Power plants and encouraged residents stop burning coal inside their homes twelve years later. Beijing is nowhere on the list of the worst polluted cities in the world. I don't even believe that it's in the top one hundred so the example of the Beijing Olympics doesn't just demonstrate that it is possible to improve the air but also demonstrates that people once they've experienced that it's doable will want that and can be moved to a month. That do you have hope that that something similar could happen India as with a lot of things right now. The hope is is non-negotiable but it's never felt more possible. That Indian cities could be liveable sane and healthy and so we. We've just got to hope that everyone can be brought around to realizing the necessity of this collective action just the way everyone has been brought around to realizing that with corona virus. I mean do you think it's interesting that you know we've seen people make the decision that you know Cova. Nineteen is a threat to public health so severe that we need to take these extremely severe actions. Like what is it about that? That's different than air pollution. You know like if the numbers show that air pollution is is also a public health crisis. Like what about what about a virus is easier to sort of? Wrap your head around as a public health problem than air pollution. I think I think that's a fascinating question and I think that It's something well worth investigating what it was that made us capable off of this really inspiring robust collective sacrifice that made us of this determination to to transform lives and escape this crisis just with the corona virus When in fact cities have been in a state of crisis? For a long time they've been practically unlivable and frankly unbearable for a long time and it never moved us to anything like this kind of collective effort. I mean as a society we just. We just process different types of risks so differently if I mean if we were just looking at the raw numbers of deaths you know we would never get an Ho car again right and you know just to be clear. The point I don't think is that we're overreacting to Kobe. Under reacting to all these other public health threats in part I would say I would argue because many of them have disproportionate impacts on poor people and people of color especially air pollution. You know if you have money and you live in a city like Delhi. You can take an uber from your air conditioned apartment here air conditioned office job But there are millions of people who can't afford to do that boot rather bike or walk around shop open air markets that those people are just breathing breathing. The air all the time so it's also just like an environmental justice issue. Yeah Yeah it's a huge environmental justice issue and and for my mind just like the best example of a underappreciated public health threat although I think that probably climate change is also another pretty good example of that too totally totally. I've been thinking about climate change a lot lately. I mean I'm always thinking about climate change but for now In Barbie because you know like corona virus it's a problem that demands collective global action and Rago Carnot's that he's been thinking about climate change a lot to these days. Yeah absolutely and you know. I don't make India San Special but when it comes to climate change we are in the front line because they're really parts of the country in you know in the interior where the increased heat is making fun liveable. If there's any country that should be confronting climate change as an emergency that we take on on a war footing as an emergency that makes anything possible in any measures acceptable Then this is that country and just like the other crises as as you mentioned. It's just never seemed justified. It's never it's never seemed justified to do something like this. Not even for climate change so remarkable. Yeah I guess like with climate change and with air pollution with all this. I think the story in India really raises for me. Just kind of this question of like. What are we going back to when we when we come out of all this like are we are we? We don't WanNa talk about silver linings when so much bad is happening but is are there things we can learn from the ways in which the world has been has been changed by this moment even in the weird ways in which it's been changed for the better totally? I don't think it diminishes the moment to treat the moment as having lessons for us in the future. I think that it would be a double tragedy if we went through this and learned nothing. So let's just take advantage of what we've learned about pandemics about air pollution about everything and trying to make the world better. Yeah it's all we can do you so we're now moving onto the next natural experiment which is presented by our producer. Joe Rosenberg Age. Oh so It's debut report. What kind of scientific study is on the precipice of advancement as a unexpected result of nineteen? I'm so glad you asked. Because for the past few days I have been delving into the very latest research being done at the very cutting edge of an exciting highly specialized scientific field. Orden's studies boredom studies. I mean I guess I guess everything's a thing but I didn't know that was the thing is a thing. Although even the boredom study experts themselves seemed to be surprised that it is a thing and that based on you know I think a little kid ever says like you know what I really want to do what I grow up. I WANNA study boredom so it it certainly. It was totally unplanned. This is Aaron West Gate. She's an assistant. Professor of social psychology at the University of Florida. And one of her. Specialties is Boorda. An Aaron says one good reason to study. Boredom is that for starters. Most people don't have the first clue about how boredom works including apparently they're on one of the fun things at helping aboard and researchers. Like when I meet someone that conversation usually goes like this. I Am Eric. What do you study? I study boredom and they go. Oh I never get bored and I always takes me back because I guess you do so funny is I was thinking the exact same thing. I never get bored. I'll you never get bored yet. You see this is. Aaron would preview wrong because this is her speciality she she gets this kind of evil genius thrill out of bringing unsuspecting people into the lab and figuring out ways to bore them to death. People hate my studies there. So bad like it's like they come. We do these debriefings at the end with wasn't and they just look at me and they're like that was the most boring thing I've ever done in inside I'm like Yes yes I'm so glad. So what is the most boring thing? Jasim do paradise pretty interested in How boring chicken make someone's life? Yeah no and that's the thing I think you know you say you don't get bored but the truth is like you have been presented like with boring tasks in life that you have no choice but to concentrate on So like maybe a video of a sidewalk like literally went for the ball. The sidewalk pointed down. And because you don't know it's a boredom study you expect something to happen but nothing happens or it will be something like you're you're gonNA play this air traffic control game where you get to direct traffic enough. Make sure all the planes land safely in the South Work and people are like Ok game but then like they make it really easy like they make it look like stoltifying Lee easy and in fact Aaron is so good at inducing boredom that her whole career started when she accidentally born some people while studying something slightly different. So what was that study? And how did it later to focus on boredom so a little more than five years ago? Aaron was running this study where they were trying to find out how much people enjoy being left alone with their own thoughts and so what they did is they gathered a bunch of participants in a lab and burst exposed them to a quick electric shock. It's nasty little electricity. Put around here ankle's kind of I was kind of feels like a cat like biting your With a cat dives out and attacks you and not. Surprisingly most participants said they did not like being shocked but then she says they told the same participants to just sit in this room. No magazines no phone and just enjoy being alone with their thoughts for a little while. Oh and by the way that little button that electrode are still hooked up if you if you want on the white one but if you want you can press the button and it will still deliver an electric shock. And then we simply left them in the room by themselves for it was actually fifteen minutes and waited to see what they would do and apparently one quarter of the women and I'm sad to report. Two thirds of the men chose to shock themselves and most people shot themselves multiple times. That is incredible. There is a one man. It was a man who shocked himself. I forget now as well over a hundred times. Can I just say that? That guy then back guy. He was definitely not board. Oh no he was having the time of his life he was like this is exactly what I always needed. But apparently a lot of the participants who shot themselves were not like that guy when asked why they did it they were just like I got bored and it was better than nothing. It's like you're in a waiting room. And there's a ten-year-old magazine actually reading it for the newly that we'd never read otherwise in a in a really boring setting you just go for it right and then like you can like a can devolve from there really done with the magazine now. You have is like the candy wrapper attritional information and then below. That is the electrode strapped to your ankle biting mud as well which I find kind of sad but Aaron Evil Genius that she is. She just thought like fascinating. It was magnificent wonderful puzzle and I got totally hooked and I sort of switched. Gears in early started investigating. What boredom is why we experienced. And what happens when we do so? Let's start with that first question. That's what is boredom because One of the things that makes this hard for me to picture what boredom studies are about is. What is the scientific basis of boredom like is there actually a distinct emotion that you can pin down and measure or is it just a word that actually means a variety of things? Well this is actually where things get really interesting because that is something. We're still trying to figure out. In some ways. Urine tests that in the last two decades there has been a growing consensus. That boredom is in fact a real emotion And just like other motions. It's not intrinsically good or bad much like pain it's a signal telling you something is amiss with your situation that needs to be changed somehow but when it comes to the question of what exactly is. Amiss in other words when it comes to errands second question. Why do we get bored? That's where the scientific consensus ends when you get down to the nitty gritty of what exactly is causing boredom. You're going to start finding a lot of disagreements so there folks for instance who preferred define boredom as just about attention. This is the attentional model. The idea being that get bored and when you're stuck doing something that requires only a little attention so the rest of your attentional capacities desperately looking for something else to do. In which case you just check out and the Task News on meeting. There's other folks that are like no no no no. You have it completely backwards. It's all about meaning if you have trouble paying attention to something in your board. It's because that wasn't meaningful and this is the meaning based mom and the meaning based model for an experienced to not be boring. It just needs to seem somehow worthwhile so you could do a challenging puzzle that requires the right amount of attention. But if you don't find it genuinely interesting It's still born or conversely something repetitive and simple but if you think it saving lives you won't get bored really interesting. I mean I think I kind of see how both models work I mean. It makes me wonder if entirely separate emotions or or I don't know it just seems like it's really hard to tell how you would know which one is true. Yeah exactly and Aaron works with a model that tries to incorporate both but this is where your original question is boredom just word actually comes back into play so for instance in French. The word fight. Boredom really alludes more to. It's like what we would think about this meaning components in German. The word for boredom emphasizes the since that time is slowing down which is a classic symptom of attentional boredom and in Japanese. There are in fact. Two different words for boredom loosely. Map onto these two different meetings and so is one of those cases where the sort of the word actually affects the meaning. They become sort of self fulfilling prophecies. Where IF YOU'RE FRENCH. You only get bored In in a meaningful way. If you're German you get bored and attentional way. We don't know yet and Aaron points out that even within English. There's this issue that the word boredom didn't even really exist before sixteen hundred and it's not clear to me. How much boredom is something? That is a problem of modality. I think there is very very limited data right now that speaks to this point at all so it strikes me that figuring this out is just a intellectual exercise because you know our understanding of boredom must have some kind of public health implications. Especially when you imagine you know like how we respond to beam board like as a culture like do we have a problem with boredom that make people you do bad things. That's a good question Because we know there is a correlation at least between people reporting being bored and things like depression anxiety substance abuse self harm but also should've education and social connections and exercise So this is one reason why errands third and final. Big Question is what do we do once? We're board And it turns out. It's also the question which Cova Nineteen and the quarantine might actually help us answer I can. I can see where this is heading. And there's a lot of people were born at home right now but but but laid out for me like what is he going to look at okay? So there's this big mystery right. How is boredom affecting US including one? We're bored do most of US start doing something healthy or something unhealthy and unfortunately for Aaron and other researchers the data on this is just all over the place for instance. There's some work that finds that experimentally inducing. Boorda increases pro social behavior. There's other work that finds that experimentally inducing Boorda increases antisocial behaviour. So which is it an an says that the thing getting way of good data and clear answer on this is which activities people turn to when board can be really hard to study in a lab setting for the simple reason that when you can find people to a lab. You can't actually give them that many options of things to do. So you're in the boring group. You're not you can shop yourself or not. You're in the born group. You're not you can eat a snack or not. And I don't know how useful that's going to be to us and understanding the effects of boredom in the real world where we often have many multiple options available to us and that question always kind of it hangs over you like does this. Does it matter who cares if you find an effect the lab if no one actually doesn't it in the real world so obviously there's this incentive to do studies outside of the lab in the real world but there was a problem with reality and it's the opposite of the problem with the lab which is people? Don't get bored enough. You know for better or worse. People are not that board all the time in everyday life I think the best estimates suggest people are born around five percent of the time Which isn't really that bad. If you calculate it it's about thirty minutes a day but thirty minutes. A day of boredom is probably not on one chunk. It separated out across time and this is because most people don't stay board for very long thanks to the structure of their daily life. They go back to work or school. Almost always very quickly. Something happens without them even having to think about it and they stopped being bored right. So the upshot is that you can either get people really bored in the lab but not see how they'd actually realistically behave or you could see how people realistically behaved boredom but out in the real world. They're actually rarely board for very long. So it's hard to catch them in the act so big exactly and this is where the coronavirus outbreak comes in because thanks to the quarantine people outside the lab in the real world are at long last more board more often than they've ever been before and for better we're certainly for worse for the people experiencing it better for me and my graduate student and my other fellow boredom researchers around the world yet go ahead be happy about halfway. We're thrilled I have not been people's born and has made sure that I have not been more these past few weeks hours and hours of glorious boredom to study. No Yeah. It's beautiful and so one of Aaron's doctoral students named Eugene. Lynn proposed. Doing this study to clear. This does not actually fit the formal definition of a natural experiment. So it's the boredom level isn't the only variable that's changed like like some of the House activities that people might turn to when they're bored or like off the table. Yeah but on. The plus sided is potentially getting people board in this kind of sustained way where they have to make up their own minds about what to do if they hope to be on board and so ends teams really curious to see what activities people choose and one way. They're doing that is they're having participants fill out this kind of daily survey of how they've been feeling what they've been up to in which they can choose from this checklist of possible activities and other researchers keep asking. Oh can you add this to the checklist? Can you add that to the checklist like Because there's so many questions that are people doing our people baking sour dough bread out of boredom or people buying games out of boredom are people as a whole set of quitter people hooking up becoming lovers with their roommates out aboard might what what's going on litter people doing and so they're looking into all sorts of things they're looking into whether there is a discrepancy between how people think they react boredom versus how they actually react boredom and also you know is born followed by maladaptive behaviors including breaking the quarantine but also they can record something. That by definition is almost impossible to record in the lab which is novelty seeking People trying things. They've never tried for men so I just recently I like I i. I asked her to send me a list of Sony's novel activities of people are try and it's in some ways it's very sweet so like spray painted a string of lights outside tried to new hair-color tried making my own music went under my house to look for a dead rat. Used my cats to help search for the rat But also watched a church sermon with my family something. We don't do very often helped my little brother set up a kite to find the front yard. Talk to a new person on fund ones I'm about to smoke weed. Eight eight slim. Jims for breakfast for the grim. Yeah some of these are you. Could you? Could you could classify as maladaptive behaviors so form and actually. I think it's you know we can joke about this. Like Oh were you know a were baking Brad? Oh we're doing this little thing and it may seem even kind of banal to us but to Aaron And her fellow researchers these are like these precious stones. You know these these precisely. These are the activities that they weren't able to study or a record recorded lab and now they're getting so we might not have the experimental control out in the world but we have something that's just as valuable which is reality. So they they have all the board of the lab but all the novelty possibilities of the real world. That's a really kind of amazing experiment to have Land at your feet. Yeah and for an gets back to these core questions. What is boredom? And what should we do with it? I think I always try to touch on is at boardrooms not good or bad except that we make it so that boredom is an important signal. It's healthy. It's adaptive. We would not get very far without it. Boorda make sure that we stay engaged in the world and it doesn't feel good but that's okay It just depends on how react to it in that way. Boredom is like all things. Yeah it's like everything else but we did some unique mysteries which in this weird unexpected accidental way. We just might learn a little bit more about super interesting. Well thanks so much to thank you room. Thank you so much to professor Arun West Gate in her doctoral student. Eugene Lynn at the University of Florida for helping us investigate the great mystery. Daddy learn more about their research. You can visit errands website at Aaron West Gate Dot Com where you can also volunteer to participate in one of her ongoing Kobe. Nineteen studies whether you're bored or not Erin wants to know now talking with Delaney Hall or senior editor and who is currently trapped in your home in Santa Fe with two children to children. I hope you cannot hear them screaming in the background. I actually sent everyone outside because working from your home. There's no sound isolation totally. There's there's no amount of foam padding that will protect you from from little short. It's just the way it is so so. How are you coping there with the children Well I've actually been spending a lot of time in a couple of different parenting related facebook groups where parents are commiserating with each other and sharing tips about how to get through this crazy time and I recently came across a post in one of those groups that got me thinking about this idea of the natural experiment the post was about vaccination which honestly is a subject that does not come up that often in this group. Yeah I mean there's always a hot button topic and even if you have strong scientific based feeling about the subject you just don't WanNa fight with strangers on the Internet about it. Yeah exactly but this post just went there you know head on and to paraphrase basically said we're all terrified of this disease that's going around and were living in lockdown and you know this is what life looks like without vaccines. This is how life used to be and the post really struck me like I. I've been thinking a lot about it. What aspect have you've been thinking about? Well the sentiments of the post represents my feelings like I cannot wait for a vaccine but it also made me wonder about people who are anti vaccination like how are they experiencing this moment as the pandemic unfolds. Our people's minds changing and so. I started looking around for a researcher who studies those issues. And who would have some insight into how a pandemic might influence people's attitudes about vaccines is a generation defining experience? My Dad's ninety five. He doesn't remember anything ever like this in his lifetime. This is Dr Bernice Houseman. And she leads the Department of Humanities within the Penn State College of Medicine. So it's almost like two big inexperience when you're in it to figure out how you're going to the study so what Dr Houseman. Studies is the history and meaning of anti vaccination sentiment. She looks at what vaccine dissenters actually believe. And why and more broadly. She's interested in medical controversies that spill over into the public realm and become social controversies interface between science and society. Right you have to work with people which means you're working with culture and tradition and ritual and history not just science if it were just science than there wouldn't be a controversy right. I mean this is a situation where the the scientific evidence shows that vaccines are really important like essential for public health but that hasn't changed the fact that there are people skeptical about right and if you understand the history of where that skepticism comes from and why it's so durable and how it connects to these very big ideas about individual freedom and state power. All of that helps you understand why the phenomenon continues today. Even in the middle of a global pandemic Roman. Do you want to hear some really disgusting early vaccination history absolutely okay? So the earliest method of immunization which dates back to the tents century was something called relation and it was used protect people against smallpox. And the way it worked is that you would scrape a little pus out of a smallpox blister and then scratch your arm and put the pus into the wounds or alternately. You could also take a scab from smallpox blister and then crush it up and suck it up your own nose with either method. The idea was that hopefully a mild and protective infection would result that idea that if they had a mild course of disease they would not be scarred and they would survive it had a pretty significant talapity rape but not as high as smallpox itsel and so after a while variation a spread from China and India where it originated into the West and eventually the practice gave way to vaccination in the late seventeen hundreds and English physician named Edward. Jenner made a vaccine for smallpox. That was based on. Cowpox are related animal infection and amazingly. That's actually where the word vaccination comes from. It's based on the Latin word VACA FOR COW. Okay so a lot of people welcomed the many new vaccines the began to develop from that point forward but there were also objections right from the start. Some of them based on the notion that you should not mess around with nature. It's always dangerous to mess around with nature and people who do so are punished. There was sort of anti scientific based on the notion of That naturally becoming ill is was preferable to being vaccinated there were perceptions of the dangers of vaccination so all of the same concerns that we see today a contemporary vaccination to set. You can see them. Historically and a big sticking point for a lot of people were vaccine mandates people hated the idea of the state requiring them to vaccinate which started happening pretty quickly Great Britain implemented compulsory vaccination in the mid eighteen hundreds and people actually rioted. I don't know I mean I think people when it comes to civil liberties they really think about the bodies the ultimate dividing line. You know that that. That's only there's but you can see why they would be required because you know you mandated vaccine because it only works a critical mass of people do it like you have to get that herd immunity going. Yeah Yeah exactly. And so it kind of presents. This catch twenty two. If didn't have the mandate you probably wouldn't have the movement. Because the mandate is what forces people who don't want to vaccinate toback sonate their children so our mandates the way to go. That is a really interesting question because it feels like mandates are both very American and very un-american in the sense that you know really have a tradition of individual personal liberty in this country and the notion that the state cannot make you do certain things and so i. I don't think the mandates are going away but I do think that we see the friction that they caused the political level so here in the US vaccine dissenters organized to challenge those mandates and then eventually in nineteen o five. There was a famous Supreme Court case. Which you actually covered on trump con couple of weeks ago. I know this this Jacobson versus Massachusetts which upheld the rights of states to enforce vaccination laws and it basically said that sometimes public welfare is more important than individual freedom. Right and even though the decision did allow for some exemptions. It was one of the things that really mobilized the anti vaccination movement in the US provided fuel and as time went on. Dr Hausman said that two broad groups of vaccine centers began to emerge. The one group is a sort of more ideologically anti vaccination group right there. So this is the group is against the Science of accession. They may use their own scientific evidence. There largely middle class educated people who believe that vaccination is dangerous or wrong in some way and then there's another group of people often working class people who object to the government's intrusion on the family. So these are people who believe the government should not be telling people what to do with their bodies. Kind of like you were talking about earlier that that that is the realm of the individual that is the realm of the family. And it's worth pointing out that. Sometimes this was for good reason you know working class. People in general had a harder time getting out of vaccination people with more money could just pay a fine and skip it so working class. People were often forced to do this thing that they objected to what you tend to see in United States at least is a mingling of arguments about freedom and about individual rights with the notion of bodily danger and this idea of bodily danger is really compelling to people Dr Housman Point. That was really interesting. She said that public support for vaccination is actually very fragile. Meaning that even if the benefits of vaccination for outweigh the risks all it takes for some people to abandon. It is just a small number of bad outcomes and so what are some examples of that so something that you can see? Historically is the power of media that highlights a few vivid worst case scenarios so Dr Houseman Traces. The modern anti vaccination movement the nineteen seventies and that was when parents started to express concerns about the original pertussis vaccine which caused high fevers and Febrile seizures in some children in the nineteen seventies. There was an increasing belief that it could cause some neurological damage. There was a paper that was published in Britain claiming that it actually did so. There is controversy about whether or not that paper is valid and in the early nineteen eighties. There was an influential. Tv news story called. Vaccine Roulette that highlighted some of these concerns it aired on a local NBC affiliate in Washington DC. It's a fact of life of all. Children must get four shots to go to school shots. We are told we'll keep our children healthy shots we are told. We'll protect every child from dread disease. Tusla's it's hooping cough but the DP tee shot can also damage to a devastating degree. The report caused a lot of controversy. In general it emphasized the risks of the vaccine while minimizing the dangers of the actual disease. And some of. It's more serious. Claims have since been debunked by research. The story gave a big platform for this group called dissatisfied parents together which would go on to become the National Vaccine Information Center and that's one of the biggest quote Unquote Vaccines Safety Organizations. In the country many people would call them. Antibac- sers another example. I'm thinking of in terms of like a single article that had outsized influence was the Andrew Wakefield does completely fraudulent paper that linked the two partisan which had no basis in anything but became the starting point. Yeah that one came out in nineteen ninety eight and it's been very damaging as you said. There's no link between autism but that association continues and it still motivates some vaccine refusal so those are a couple of the big moments that get us to where we are today so so now that we're in this moment where an infectious disease affects our daily lives like the corona virus pandemic. What is Dr Husband seen in these different movements? So right now she's just observing and formulating some questions. That might be interesting to investigate and to start with. She says that this is a really interesting. Time to be studying vaccination descent because what we're experiencing is really unprecedented. This is the first big worldwide pandemic of the vaccine era. We haven't had one since we've had all these vaccines that's really the case right. The last big pandemic like this was in nineteen eighteen. So what Dr House is doing is she's checking on. These online hubs like the National Vaccine Information Centre to see how their messaging around the issue of the Corona virus and among hardcore ideological anti vaccine. There is a lot of fear. People are seeing the government enact. These stay at home. Orders requiring businesses to close they see the heavy hand of government coming down and they are concerned about what might happen with respect to vaccines and is this going to embolden states to use these same powers to compel vaccine us. There's a whole set of concerns around that feeling like I've actually seen some of these manifesting in the protests against the state home orders and they're pretty small but they've been happening last couple of weeks and if you watch the footage you will see you know antitax sign age along with signs that talk about you know tyranny and needing haircuts and stuff like that you know. It seems to be part of that same worldview. Yeah it's in the mix at those protests and it just clear that the government orders have people quite worried. I came across this video. That a pastor who is also anti vaccination posted on twitter. Recently they will be sipping frosties in the lake of fire before the government ever gets greasy grimy hands on me and my family and forces us to take stupid implant or vaccination that. We don't believe I have a First Amendment right that allows me to reject it and say no I have a second amendment right that protects my first one and I have a God given right to tell you you have gone buck wild. The government is out of control in Christian Judy to wake up the sort of the mingling of fear about state power and anti vaccination seems to be kind of a natural mix. What's happening right now? Yeah I mean it is. It is not the case that the pandemic is causing really hard core anti vaccination people to rethink their views as perhaps naively thought. It would In fact it seems to be creating this environment where some people are really doubling down. I mean so I can imagine that the anti VACs pastor whose whole identity is wrapped up in this not budging but is there may be some people on the edges that might be a little wary of vaccines that when presented with a world in which a vaccine would greatly improve the quality of life. All around the world. I mean are. Are they moving at all? Dr Housman does think this experience will probably affect the views of people who are vaccine hesitant so so. They don't have super strong beliefs about vaccine. They're not connected to these communities and movements of vaccine dissenters but they are people who picked up a sense of unease about vaccination. She thinks that those people the hesitant people might in fact come around the idea that vaccination is a really good thing and in fact. There's this technology that she's keeping an eye on and this is more about the design of one of the potential corona virus. Vaccines so as you know. There are teams of researchers. All around the world looking for a vaccine and one of them is being developed at the University of Pittsburgh and one of the interesting things about their vaccine is. It's not given through a shot. It's given us a patch. It's this little patch that looks like a translucent square. So how does that work? I can't even imagine it. Yeah so you place it on your skin kind of like a band aid and then over the course of a few days. It delivers the vaccine to your body through these tiny little needles. So there's a number of reasons why this is really interesting technology. First of all a lot of people don't like shots second of all. There's some arguments that the skin is actually a better tissue for a vaccine. Absorption than intramuscular injection. But then there's this other reason which is more about the psychology of vaccines link about what it would mean. If you went to the doctor's office and the instead of giving your child shots they gave you like four patches and said okay over the next two weeks do him in this sequence and then you can see if there's an adverse reaction to one of them you're more in control as a parent and even if it's the same delivery of the same vaccines that totally changes your relationship to the entire process really interesting. I remember when my kids were born. There was a movement of among people who were like you know they were in favor of vaccination but felt maybe the memoir was too much vaccination at once and it would. Wouldn't it be great if they gave them one at a time for example and so this seems to like this ability to give you control and to sort of test and watch your child because your child is not like every other child? It's just your child and so they have a specific reaction to everything you can watch for. I can see why that would psychologically help people out who were having a problem. Yeah and you know as a parent I can understand the appeal to and I think Dr Housman is hoping that this might be the vaccine that actually gets developed in licensed because she wants to study that reaction. She wants to study. How the mechanism of delivery might change people's attitudes about the vaccine and what's interesting is ultimately what she's seen in. This moment displays a lot of the same dynamics. We've seen over and over again in history which is even when there is overwhelming scientific evidence that vaccines are good for public health. And we're getting a very real illustration of that right now doesn't necessarily mean that everyone just gets on board and so like I guess in order to have effective public health measures whether or not you agree or disagree. You just have to grapple with that have to figure out how to reach people. Yeah she said this super interesting thing towards the end of our conversation with science paste. Medicine is a tremendous advantage that we have in the modern world the fact that they could sequenced the genome of the corona virus. So quickly the fact that they're talking about a vaccine with an eighteen months to two years is is phenomenal right. All of that is based on advancements in medicine but the experience of the pandemic the social disruption that it has caused the difficulties of discrimination and Unequal Treatment. That the pandemic has uncovered. We already knew it but now we know it even more all of that is the realm the social world and all of that is much more difficult in some ways to handle another word. Science is the easy part you know and people are hard coming up experimenting with our city streets. Now that vehicular traffic is down and pedestrians are everywhere after this. 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We're all cooped up in her houses in the streets. The one where we can go for a walk or a run but with everyone doing that. It's creating problems he over sorta encountering each other on the sidewalk and making a decision ahead. Having this little dance. Who's GONNA walk out onto the street? Who's going to cross over the street? This is Ryan Rousseau Director of the Oakland Department of Transportation. Someone going Iran Zang okay. They don't want me to go down to the lake where normally run run in the neighborhood. But I don't WanNA breathe heavy on people on the sidewalks. Do that in the street to I don't know about you but I've I've been going on a lot of runs these days wearing a mask and I've just decided that the safest way is just to go right down the middle of the road. Most sidewalks are less than six feet across. So there's just not enough room to safely share one with another pedestrian and the city of Oakland decided with that in mind just to to close a whole bunch of streets to car is to give people more room right and it's like dozens of miles of streets right. Yes the city already. Has This network of of what they call. Bike boulevards And that's about seventy four miles. Total intend to already be low traffic volume but connect you to things in the neighborhoods. They actually get you places. It's not just a cul de sac in what we are doing is selecting from now seventy four miles well which ones should get soft closure your treatments soft closures. Meaning that they're basically throwing up a temporary roadblock And a five mile per hour sign. The streets are still open to people who live there delivery trucks and emergency vehicles but otherwise the street is for pedestrians and bicyclists and little kids on scooters and dad's doing jump rope. I mean I mean what's what's interesting about. This is that In a lot of our have wanted this for a long time pandemic are no pandemic and th they wanted to see the streets you know used for purposes other than driving right right. I mean we've we've talked about this a lot on the show And so I I asked Ryan Russillo whether this policy was was part of a larger transportation vision that he had for the city. What we're doing now is focused on helping. Oakland Agnes moment and that is number one. That said we're learning. We can't help but learn from observing how that's going and while we're taking quick action. We're not doing something. That's particularly expensive or permanent. So if it's not working it's quite easy to pick up the barricades with Zayn strapped to them and and adjust what we're doing. Yeah there any way that any chance that you know when this is all over. Some of these streets might stay slow streets. I think that with the work. We're doing on Oakland slow streets. We're focused on keeping people safe now. I do think it's a great experiment. And as we hear from our communities like hey that was working or that wasn't we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA have our ear the ground for that and will responds accordingly. That sounds like a definite. Maybe yeah I think it's I think we got maybe But I wanted to talk with an urban about this and so our area. She's the editorial director for the transportation. Think tanks spur And she said she's really encouraged by what's happening in Oakland. Shown is one you can do these really fast. Just set up a bunch of linear likely instead of having a hundred committee meetings over how horrible this is. GonNa pay and no one's GONNA use the all the other arguments that people make just doing and it will come to light that like this street. Didn't make the most sense but this one's really working and I'm the only way to do it. Try and to just be able to like throw something ground Is Great and she says that you know throughout history moments of crisis have also been moments of experimentation inside cities chances for cities to try things out try to make themselves better more livable. Right I mean like I. It took Chicago burning to the ground. Two totally remake the grid of Chicago and and even like Sort of like more into what's happening now. I mean Central Park in New York Came about partially reaction to the cholera epidemics of the nineteenth century. We need more space for people to be exist. Yeah Yeah and even more recently. Just look at the last recession which is obviously terrible for cities but it also gave rise to all these tactical urbanism projects in cities like San Francisco. That's why we have all these park leads. That's why we have. The proxy Shipping Container Project used a lot that like no one can afford to develop and turned it into the public space and that stuff has stayed around and some cities around the world are already planning to use this crisis as a chance to remake themselves. Milan just announced that they would use this summer to transform miles of streets into spaces for pedestrians. Bicyclists and Allison is hope that in Oakland and elsewhere in this country be some of these experiments in traffic reduction might stick. I think people are still figuring out but ultimately I think this is a huge indicator of how much more space we could give to To the public and. I'm not going to say like Oh. There will be no cars in our post future but hopefully people will understand how it actually feels quite liberating to walk down the street. Ninety nine percent invisible was produced this week by Emmett. Fitz Gerald Delaney. Home in Joe Rosenberg. 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Alaska's Silent City

"Welcome to kids myths and mysteries. I'm your host kit crumb today. The silent city of alaska the silent the city of alaska mirage aurora borealis or just another myth saw one hundred thirty years ago the residents of the outside world. We knew very little about alaska. They knew it had glaciers giant polar bears and not much else america's purchase alaska in eighteen sixty seven was derided in in some quarters has seven point two million dollars for an icebox. Some people even believed alaska to be a mysterious magical land land and were giant cities appeared hubbard light mirages over frozen glaciers that stores started but the prospector and 1897 expedition led by c._w. Thornton that sent out to investigate when i was being called the silent city said that it required no effort of the imagination to liken what we were all seen as a city so distinct that it was difficult to believe that it was not a city another witness had written in the new york times that houses streets in trees all well-defined could be easily seen here and there were also tall buildings on july twenty first eighteen eighty eight near muir glacier glacier bay. A photograph of the city was taken photograph was even mentioned in some of the numerous accounts of alaskan travelers as well as books such as the best selling the wonders of lasca by right alexander batum in eighteen ninety one. The story was repeated newspapers across the entire country. Of course there were skeptics. Although mirages ashes were a common atmospherics nominal few mirages were distinct enough to be captured on film producing a slightly blurry photo university diversity of alaska fairbanks physics professor martin truffer said he'd seen mirages on glaciers before but nothing quite as dramatic. I asa discernible shape seth campbell. The director of academics research for the juneau icefield research program said the conditions are much more ideal. I deal in now artika from garages. According to some sources the negative of this silent city was sold to the san francisco chronicle for five five hundred dollars but at the same time you could buy pictures of the silent city in juneau for seventy five cents then he thought that the mirage was a french or german city although it was finally decided that it was in some mysterious way a reflection of an old russian city it was eventually dismissed smist as a negative that had been doctored and it was all dismissed as a hoax but in nineteen forty three u._s. Aerial reconnaissance photo of the area revealed a large city over glacier bay the silence city of alaska was produced here night owl sounds studio and brought to you buy books savvy studio owl creek solo writer's retreat and that would be at al creek cabin dot com and the metaphysical library prairie and if you're a writer novelist a beginning rider somebody with an idea for a story. You won't want to miss my podcast building. A writer's life live every tuesday and thursday well. This is kick chrome. Thanks for listening.

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Eavesdropping On Whales In A Quiet Ocean

Short Wave

11:45 min | 3 months ago

Eavesdropping On Whales In A Quiet Ocean

"You're listening to shortwave. From NPR. Maddie Safai here with NPR climate correspondent Lauren Summer Hey Lauren Hey Mattie. Sue Today, you. Me a story about the coronavirus pandemic that is not incredibly depressing. Yes, I will not let you down and here. I'll give you a hint about what it's about. It's a wail. My expert years Lauren I will guess it's a big will. Oh, expert, yeah. That was a humpback whale in glacier. Bay National Park Alaska. This is the time of year where they've arrived. They've migrated all the way from Hawaii to eat. Basically, those cold waters in Alaska have a lot of food. Okay? Ready I'M GONNA. Give you another one. ooh! I'm getting more of a willy vibe from that one. Yeah, it's Asian bonus points. Are, killer, whales. They were recorded in April, by hydrophone that the National Park Service has installed down at the bottom of those your bay hydrophone being an underwater microphone. Yeah, you got it, but what's really important? Here is what you're not hearing in those recordings, which is this? Oh Your Boat Noise Aka human noise. There's less humans out here. Making human touristy noises right exactly. I mean the cruise ships and the boat tours that people take to go see the glaciers. They're not happening, so the whales are getting a break from that noise underwater. And sound is really key for whales. It's how they experienced world. So today in the show how the global down is creating quieter oceans, and how scientists are using this moment to listen to how whales are responding, which maybe could help protect them from underwater noise pollution in future. This shortwave, the daily science podcast from NPR. So the whales in Glacier Bay are hanging out for the summer in this newfound quiet. How much quieter are we talking about Lauren? That's scientists are measuring right now. like Christine Gabriel. She's a wildlife biologist at Glacier Bay national! Park in Alaska, and while a lot of scientists have had to cancel their field work due to the pandemic this year. She hasn't. She gets in a boat alone and heads out on the water to find wheels. She recorded some of this on her smartphone for me. Yeah, there are about five Wales working this one little area breathing when they're up. One of the groups is a mother and calf are seventh for the year. We'll fourteen twenty eight in her cute little calf, so that's really good news. So. You've got this little humpback family show endowed and this year. They're out there on their own. Because humans are largely out of the picture, yeah, and normally this time of year there are a lot of cruise ships and boat tours. which is you know how visitors see the glaciers of glacier national park an underwater? It sounds like this. I hate that. Yeah, and sound is incredibly important. Underwater I mean if you think about it, vision is not super useful, because you really can't see very far underwater, but travels for miles, sometimes hundreds of miles so for whales. That's what they rely on. We know that whales use a sound in almost every aspect of their daily life. They need sound to be able to detect. They're predators as well as their prey, and they also use sound to carry out there very long complex socialize. So what you hear in Glacier Bay. Is humpbacks making these feeding calls? And they make these contact calls which is basically just keeping in touch with each other. Oh, and you also hear this in Glacier Bay. Learn what is that? That sounded like a giant burp. It's actually a male harbor seal. They may kind of as growling sounds. And then there's a couple of weeks Max in there. That's actually humpback slapping. It's fin on top of the water, which is also maybe a form of communication. How so there's a lot going down out there? Yeah, and then when you mix humans in this is what it sounds like. Or humpbacks like fazed by that at all. Yeah, basically Christine says they do what you and I would do at allowed party. Maybe if you can remember what allowed parties lake. Do you mean leave early without telling anybody what you mean? No but we can talk about that if you want. No, you mean. They get louder, so you're selling exactly the humpbacks kind of work around the noise. They call louder sometimes they repeat themselves. They had to move closer together or often. They just call less, and so he's have also shown that for other whales. A lot of loud noise can lead to chronic stress after nine eleven actually when shipping traffic also dropped, researchers found that stress hormones in right whales went down. Oh. Wow, okay, interesting I. It know that. So have the noise levels in this quieter glacier bay been measured since the pandemic started. Yeah, so kind based on an early analysis, the loudest sounds of the whales experienced in May. This year are about half as loud as a May from two years ago and Christina. Our colleagues are just they're really interested. In seeing how the humpbacks communication might change because of that the pandemic has kind of created this unexpected opportunity for. kind of a once in a lifetime. Chance to look at well communication behavior in its natural undisturbed forum. I mean it's the first time we've heard this right. Even amidst all this extremely sad human tragedy, the pandemic is creating some conditions in the natural world that are pretty unique like typically speaking. Yeah, exactly and you know scientists are doing the same thing elsewhere. Noise levels have dropped in the waters near Vancouver and Seattle to which is an area where you see a lot of shipping traffic, and it's also home to endangered killer. Whales known as southern resident killer whales. I love that so much. To Do, I would not have identified it as well. Keep going, keep going. Yeah, and sound is super important for them to because they actually use it to hunt through echo location. Right like so similar to how bats do it where they make a noise, it hits an object in the listen for sound to kind of bounce back to them. Yeah, and no researchers studied this actually by putting these suction. Suction Cup tags like a hydrophone with suction cups. Oh Yeah I've seen that. Yeah, those on the back of the killer whale, and it can record sound for like eight hours before pops off and what they do is they have hundreds of feet in the deep looking for Chinook Salmon which is their main source of food, and you know it's dark down there and when you hear, is they start clicking? You Know Salmon are pretty good swimmer. So if they find one, they have to hone in on it. And then there cliques get really fast almost like a buzz right before they catch it. Then you can actually hear the crunch. Is that actually the sound of a salmon's bones being crushed in the jaws of a killer whale. Wow Lauren first of all bank you for this so much just wanted to say that I mean in scientific terms. It is a positive forging outcome. But for killer whales to sound plays a huge role in their social lives. I talked to one scientists Marla, Holt, who is a research wildlife biologist at Noah fisheries, and she spends a lot of time listening to the calls that these whales make their very chatty. When they get in a mode, they can be chatty Kathies when you're trying to analyze calls and they're like overlapping and talking over each other like. God. But it's, but it's fun. They're actually three pods of killer whales around the Seattle area. There called the J K and l pods, and each pod has its own distinct dialect. I mean, can we? Can we nerd out on this for a quick second? Yes, of course, so the pods they share similar kinds of calls, but they make them a little differently like Marla says, take this S. S to call as it's known J. pod likes to put this little extra loop in the beginning of that call, but L. Pod the pod wells that make that same s to call. They don't have that little loop in the beginning. It's like if you think of the way that you would say the word car and then say with a Boston accent. Like car, verses Ca. I think that's right So what's cool is that you know Marla and just listen to the sound of these killer whales, and she knows exactly what group is making those calls so cool, and since they are so many parts of their life. You know they're coordinating how they feed their hunting together. There's a social behavior I mean. She spent their time trying to tease out what they're really saying. And that's important. Because ship sound could be interfering with. With their sensory world is so different from ours, and maybe that makes it harder or more challenging to convey the problem to people, because people aren't sticking their ears in the water and listening in the same way to all of the big ships, going by or the ferries or fishing vessels right in a big point here is that this break that they're getting is temporary. Right so as soon as you know. Everything opens up again and shipping traffic. Traffic goes back up, so does the noise. Yeah, but the port of Vancouver is actually one of the few examples out there where they're really trying to reduce noise. The ships they are can get a discount on their berthing fees, which is what they pay dock there. If they take measures to be quieter, so that could mean retrofitting their ships like all terrain or replacing propeller, which is the thing that makes a lot of noise or they can. Can just slow down which also reduces noise I mean. It's a voluntary program, but they are seeing a lot of participation, but you know this is just one place in the country. Though, right? It's just one place, but I think a lot of scientists are really hoping to learn things during the pandemic. You know about how whales are responding without all that noise that can really made me help them with policies that could reduce noise in the future. All right. Lauren, I, appreciate you and this like beautiful auditory journey. You've taken us on today. I mean my pleasure anytime. This episode was produced by. Paul edited by Viet Lay in fact, checked by Rebecca Ramirez at tiny humpback whale in the Cape Cod specifically I'm Maddie Safai at banks are listening to shortwave for NPR.

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A Tree and Its People in a Warming Landscape

Science Talk

35:51 min | 1 year ago

A Tree and Its People in a Warming Landscape

"Welcome to Saint of American science talk hosted on Earth Day, April twenty second two thousand nineteen. I'm Steve Mirsky on this episode are human health, and our environmental health are deeply intertwined and each requires the other test to stay healthy. That's Lauren oaks. She's a scientist with the wildlife Conservation Society and Jordan professor in earth system science at Stanford University. He's also the author of the book in search of the canary Trie, the story of a scientist, the Cyprus and a changing world. Canary tree is the yellow cedar type of Cyprus that's native to coastal areas of north west North America. Another name for it is the Alaska Cyprus, it's being called the canary tree because it's the canary in the coal mine of an Alaska where oaks did her research in March Alaska, temperatures average, twenty degrees Fahrenheit above historical. Norms to talk about the book, I called oaks at our home in bozeman. Montana. Really enjoyed the book. I think you get into a lot of things that are really important that you don't see in a lot of scientific research. And so let's talk very briefly about how you decided to make this tree. Your study, focus, Sarah. So I say the puck it's true that I never thought I'd be someone spent your life studying a species and actually designed this pretty weird benign wanted them, and they were good reasons for it though. I generally was attracted to work in the north because warming there is a currying faster at faster rates than the averages across the planet. So in some ways, you can think about Alaska or the far far north as a looking last into the future in terms of what other of impacts we're going to see when it comes to climate change. So I spent a summer up there doing exploratory research where I really had no idea what the topic would be. I was interviewing scientists to were working in fisheries management or forest management, policymakers who were dressing things like coastal erosion on the far north coast were communities have to move inland and many other kinds of climate change impacts, whether it's watery sources or kinds of resources that we depend on anyways. I was hoping in that time that I would come across a topic at need really that was dented from the community where. Research could be relevant for current management. And where I could take a look at both the ecological in social impacts of of climate change. So I came from a program where we were trained scientists to bridge disciplines a lot of times in environmental problem solving were bringing together experts in in the room from different fields. So ecologists come together with the communists or policymakers, and we all kind of tend to speak different languages based on our training in disciplines. But the idea of this program is that if we train one person to speak, multiple languages into bridge across these disciplines that the new solutions could emerge. So from the beginning, I was always interested in you know, what are the ecological impacts of climate change in place. But then also how are people responding to those impacts? And I thought that you know, perhaps there could be lessons for myself in my own life for others other people in other parts of the planet by. I'm looking at those two factors and we'll get to the people part. But the decision to focus in on this one species was was really interesting. Yes out during that time, I came across Dr Paul Hennion who's a force pathologist at the United States forest service. He has since retired. But at the time we met he was about to publish a thirty year, synthesis, which was basically showing the link to climate change in terms of wire these trees dying, and it's kind of a complex pathway to death. But climate change plays a key role in that. And for me that was a really good jumping off point because I wasn't assigned this coming in trying to explain you know, why is climate change affecting the species how what are the vulnerabilities? You know, what's the likelihood of future events in in that kind of thing. I had a jumping off off point where we already know climate changes affecting the species, and that I could ask okay. Hey, what's what's happening to the rest of the forest community? And and how are people really affected by that as well? Looking at climate changes affect on the species as much as you are using the species as bellwether about what climate change will do everywhere. He actually I mean in some ways it's a story of loss. Right. We are losing this species in many places, but then there's also a story of re-growth, right it. So what comes in after the trees die in the same way? You know, how can people adopt alongside those ecological changes? And you do find that. As the yellow cedar goes away, the the western hemlock comes in. So there's there's loss there's gained there's a transition. It's happening. It's really interesting. But before we get to that. Let's talk about some of the realities of doing field research. It's incredibly strenuous and uncomfortable difficult. Yeah. It is a it. It was tough. It was tough. That's for sure I worked on the outer coast the southeast Alaska in the west coffee. Kobe wilderness and glacier bay national park, which are some of the most remote wilderness areas, we have in the country strikingly beautiful in also strikingly far from from civilization as you as you call it. But the forest where I work we're only acceptable by boat or plane, and I didn't wanna be. She schlepping back and forth. Both in terms of our time and the fossil fuels that we needed to get out to these sites. So basically figured out a way with a pretty awesome crew to set up a base camp. And we would spend two weeks at a time kayaking to random locations, and then hiking into forested sites where we would then measure the plants in the in the community there and set up a set of real plot. But we're doing this in pretty rainy weather, foggy soupy at times, there's heavy winds. And you know, I always knew we were running the risk of you know. Good storm coming in and getting stuck out there. But you know, there's a joke about it and the buck, but it's true. We were growing moles in our jackets by the end of the summer and. I had a lot of the best year out there in terms of you know, Gortex rubber that fishermen wear and didn't really matter. What you are. You're still cold and and still battling the conditions. A lot of the time. That's for sure. And once you introduce us to your your three traveling companions. Yes. I had three members of their three members in my career that I worked at pretty steadily in it, others filtered filtered in and out throughout the summers. But there's k k hill we call her mad dog, and she came from university of California, Berkeley, UC Berkeley. And she's she's the youngest on the crew. And when I first met her she was in class doodling, she's got ink all over her hands. And she's got a tattoo on her hand with the letters thera Sita's, which means savagery turns out, she's a great artist as well. As one of the best there for for as four technician, and she was just real toughened, lots of fun and actually actually ended up drawing. Many of the line illustrations that are in in the book. Then there's Odin Miller who came from Hanes. In alaska. I wanted somebody locally to someone local to work with me both in terms of both both further knowledge, you know, maybe someone who knew a little bit about the college. But also someone who knew what they were getting into in terms of conditions. Odin is about six foot four, and it's huge feet and speaks Russian fluently. And it spent time studying reindeer hurting and in Russia before working with me. So he just had a really interesting background. And then there's Paul Fisher, we call p fish. I gave all the Paul's in my book in my fieldwork nicknames because it turned out that even. You know, small community of people working on yellow, cedar. There are a lot of Paul's. And it was pretty confusing to keep track of them. And anyone reading the book would go insane. If I call them, all so anyways, we call him fish, and he was. A student at the university of Washington in Seattle. He now is a runs a business. That's forestry consulting business. But he helped a lot with GIS work, and he was also tough biked across the country on his own take taking barbed-wire burned into his arm. To celebrate the the accomplishments. Amidst being you know, good field technicians and strong scientists, you know, anyone on my crew is also really a lot of grit, which was kind of the main qualifier wasn't gonna be a vacation in southeast Alaska. That's for sure. Example, Odin would smell is dirty socks every morning to decide which was the least offensive pair that he could find a put on. I thought, you know, hanging them with do anything. I don't think it did anything. But he did he did hang his his socks in the tens. And you know, they just kind of get Moliere smellier. But in the morning, he would, you know, pick them all over and decide which ones where least defensive we all kind of had weird system. So I would have this one sacred pair of long underwear that I used only in the tent, and I kept in a dry inside the tent when I wasn't wearing it. Just in case. You know, we had a storm that blew the tent over the tent leaked just going throughout the day knowing that I had one set of dry clothes at night was my saving grace. But it also meant that in the morning, you're taking off this like really warm and cozy dry set of long underwear fighting on horribly. Soaking wants from the day before their then cold from the from the night. P fish tend to run hot. That's what he said. And so he would sleep in the same clothes that he worked in and they basically dry out by morning. John was always pretty jealous of I didn't have that skill. After your your first couple of weeks out in the field. Then you come into town. Forget was a Juno or Citco where you went to the restaurant. Three went to stick out dry out in Citco when we were working in west Goff. And then we also worked out a fair bit out of this Davis, which is even smaller town at the mouth of glacier bay. Yeah. We we just hopped right off the flow plane went right to this restaurant. That's at the airport pretty much ordered everything we they had pancakes, omelettes, and yeah, I can still see the the feast we had sprawled out over the table. But at least one member the party had tears looking at fresh food. Yeah. The waitress came to deliver these omelettes mad dog Kate just burst out into tears at all of us were pretty shocked because we've never seen anything out there like of her being even close to that. So I remember, you know, I said are you crying give me a break? Let me have this one moment, but we're pretty happy to have some warm food in our belly. That was the one trip that we definitely ran out of food. So there was that as well. He on multiple two week ten day two week excuse. Visions, and you got forty different stands or plots of trees that you did all kinds of measurements on. Yeah. So in the end we were over two summers we needed to fifty sites the first summer, we did forty out in all in west techy Goff. And I was using what's called a chronic sequence. So there are different methods to study processes that occur over time. People are probably most familiar with longitudinal study where you follow something or someone or sites or something over a long period of time. But that's pretty impractical. If you want to study something that occurs. Over decades, certainly for a PHD civil Akron sequence has been used by colleges to study things like processes like how soils form in the wine islands or how dunes take shape sand dunes take shape in the wind. Anyways, I used it to study how how does this plant community change after these trees die? How does it develop in the methods, basically, you selected bunch of sites where you're controlling for everything? Everything being a loose term there as much as you can be having consistency in the. Site selection, except for time since this phenomenon time since death. So that meant I had forced at sites that had been affected by climate change, you know, a couple of decades ago where the trees died in their their their busy, look like telephone poles on the landscape, their their limbs have decayed just the main trunk is still standing, and then there are sites that are more recently affected. The maybe has their primary branches and some dead foliage still kind of lingering on the on the branches, and then we had a healthy control until by measuring by setting plots in measuring those sites the same way, you can infer a process of how a force changes over that that time, which is the main difference between the mall. Do find that. When the yellow cedar is dying away. The another species cold, the western hemlock pretty much takes hold in those areas. So there's loss, but there's also gained and there's just transition that you're dealing with there. Yeah. It's a story of two store at loss. But it's also a story of re-growth and. You know, a call any colleges would and as I did take note of the turnover in what species become more dominant. But then in my writing process that also became kind of more of a philosophical question in terms of what are we seeing for negative impacts of climate change? But also, you know, where does the positive occur in? And how can we adapt to those or take advantage of some of those opportunities? And then we'll feel really interesting was. The idea that we can't just measure and coldly calculate. What's going on as a sort of an automaton? That's analyzing the situation completely mathematically the in the second part of the book, you talk about the the sociology part of the study where you go and talk to people who have intimate relationships with the forests in this region. And they're all kinds of people. They're not just environmentalists there people from the sling it tribe who used the the materials there are lagers who also use the materials in different ways. And it's really fascinating to get into the relationship of people to. This species, and how that informs how you feel about what's going on. And how you feel becomes a really important part of this story. And that's the part that I found so interesting especially to find out how these people feel gives you a whole different level of insight into what's going on there. So I've talked for like the last two minutes. Don't I let you talk now on it's too. I think there's three parts to the book and really three parts to my journey. And, you know, the first takes place in the forest from trying to understand how these you know, how the plant communities affected, but the second was really trying to understand how people are coping with these changes knowledgeable are they about them. Do they know that it's caused by climate change? And how are they responding to those impacts? And that, you know, even as a scientist was my effort to put meaning to it. I think a lot of times. Colleges come up with findings. And then we're asked to make recommendations. Right. So I could say yellow cedar is declining in these forests western hemlock is taking over what does that mean for management? Here's what I think is as an ecologist, and we do that all the time. But I felt like, you know, even as a scientist in my training that those questions should come from the people in the community. So I turned those questions to them. But you know, really what came from that. Which you know, pretty much inspired me to write the book was that. There was a more personal element here. Which was that people were coping with loss and people were coping with environmental change, and I wanna know in my life. How do I do those things? And I wanted to know that see if I can learn from them. So I think, you know, every before writing a book, everyone told me writing is an active discovery, you know, and I'd say the first two chapters of the book are, you know, parallel my research trajectory quite closely. But the third is really trying to make sense of what can we do? What can I do? How do I still have hope about the future in light of what we're seeing what we expect to see took a bit Terry? She was really just such a great character in your book. Unfortunately, she's passed away since. You last interviewed her. But let's talk about your the time you spent with her. Yes, I met her numerous times, Terry. Rough gar was a Weaver woman living in sitka native Weaver. She's cling it. And I say was because yes, she passed away in December of two thousand sixteen from from cancer. Which was in enormous Justice such a loss to the community there. But she I would say from the beginning. You know, she welcomed me into her home. And I made it clear to her that I wasn't. There wasn't something. I wanted to take it was I really wanted to learn from her, and I felt I felt that was my approach with anyone that I interviewed. I was looking for them looking to them as a scientist to understand. How are they coping with these changes? But also, you know as a concerned citizen trying to figure out what can I learn from from people in the community. Who may be responding in positive ways? And she talks a lot about. And she pushed me, you know, in in my interview with her was the the word resource keeps coming up both in. I'm sure in our interview if you're back in track already, it's there for sure, but she she argues that when we go in with the idea of resourcing, something it's were taking from nature. You know, we have four we have all kinds of natural resource management divisions across the country. Whether it's state or federal. But if we were to to think of resourcing more as a relationship there would be an inherent stewardship in there. You know, in sounds a little laughter greener farmable hippie, but it's really not it's a it's a beautiful way of explaining that our human health, and our environmental health are deeply intertwined, and they require one to take with each requires the other to stay healthy to be sustainable. So that's her really her argument in something that you know, during her life. She spent a lotta time pushing for in the community in talking about, and I found it, you know, pretty profound. We think about how we might come up with solutions for the kinds of impacts were facing today. How do we create how do we create more relationship rather than taking from? But she's also someone I would say that triggered the name of the book. So the answer to the canary referring to the canary in the coal mine. She says that there are fibia NHS there cedars there those are ecosystems that are the ones to warn us. I think that's what they've been doing right now they have been for quite some time. And you know, in some ways the the species knowing that it was caused by climate change. It's death was caused by climate change was her canary to raise awareness for what's happening globally, but to understand at a local scale, and you know, that essentially this species became Mike canary as well. And I think people might be interested to know, how the the weavers there used the tree it's something that you might never have even thought about because we're used to wool or cotton as being materials for fiber. But they're using the bark Gasol yellow, cedar has this beautiful bark. That is you know, strangely. Bit soft in texture. It's really strong when it has this kind of like sinewy silky feel to it. And they will strip the bark of trees, you're not stripping. It all the way around the tree because that would lead enormously injure it, but they strip certain wets that still still can the tree still can live on. And from that the its then stripped down into tiny almost like, you know, thread like yarn or fabric, and that is woven sometimes with sheep's wool, which becomes helps make it sturdier for clothing or warm blankets, and then you can also weave baskets or we've other items with it. So the trees of news for thousands of years in that in that way, and actually in in southeast Alaska fewer to once you're aware of that new look around you'll see. What are called culturally? What people some people culturally modified trees, researchers call them that. Where basically you can see that it's been stripped, and I've definitely seen some that have been stripped, you know, hundreds of years ago. So. A nutshell you delineated the conditions under which the tree survives or is damaged or dies. And then you also discovered that the people who had the closest relationship whether it was functioning or emotional, so whether it was a logger or a Weaver. They would be the first to adapt to the new reality. I went into the study trying to understand how knowledgeable are people about the these changing forests do they know that the trees death is caused by climate change. And if they do does that change in the ways in which they respond, and honestly, I was looking for what researchers will call behavioral change so ways in which there. Altering their daily or weekly or whatever you want how their lifestyle in response to something. But I also found the whole psychological component in that. You know, the people who knew these trees were dying because of climate change also had a whole grief process around that as well as coping with this magnitude of this this driver that seemingly so distant, but Israel, so really really actually quite present in the local landscape. And yes, what I found is that people who are connected to these trees in the forest. The most connected whether it's functionally through their you know, material uses of the forest. Or, you know, emotionally through cultural uses or recreational appreciation, those are the people who were able to see both loss an opportunity to begin to embrace both. You know? So there's an argument there that in order for us to adapt to climate change. We need to turn more locally in general. A lot of the climate. Change communications are the news headlines cetera focus on what's happening in terms of global temperatures temperatures. How many times have you seen in the picture of earth, turning various shades of red button reality for people to adapt? We need to look locally and understand both. What are the local losses the impacts? But also where do we see, you know, opportunity or new growth, and that's where innovation comes in. And for most of us. It's the only thing we really can do for Sarah. Yeah. I think people are you know, I am too. Trying to grapple with. How does my how can my actions affect this really large massive global drive or something like of magnitude that we've never seen before. That's a hard thing to grapple with. But I actually find it quite empowering at the local scale because you know, the fact of the matter is that even if we were to stop emissions right now, we've still got lag times, and there's still more coming down the pipe. So we're gonna continue seeing local impacts ends. You know, whether you're talking about a tree species dying or Wildflower wildfires in California this past year. You know, the more we can understand about what's happening at the scale at which people's lives are carried out. I think the better prepared. We're going to be for the kinds of impacts were. We are seeing him. We'll continue to see the regret quote from Kyrie at the end of one of the chapters in which she appears where she says what we have here is a catastrophic failure than she continues. What a great opportunity, that's exactly the one. I have right in front of me right now is going to refer you at some point. But. That's true. I mean, I think that's where we are thinking needs to shift is that. Yes, there is tragedy. Yes. There are some things we cannot stop. But we also have an enormous opportunity. We've also shown in RBIs capacity in the past of all kinds of catched off events. I think that's where human innovation comes in. And where we need to empower feel empowered to act. So, yeah, it's a great opportunity, but that chapters called the greatest opportunity because I think, you know, this one is and maybe you can tell us about how the local people taught the scientists. Yeah. One in I think one of the great examples of local knowledge, the community was not of some of the native people that I interviewed may not have read or been told or heard about climate change is being the cause of tree death, but based on their knowledge of place in what they'd seen in what they knew, you know, the kinds of habitats. These these trees thrive in how their roots are, you know, in in pretty shallow soils and also serving the patterns in snow over the years. They they often proposed climate change is as a possible reason. I'm one of the women I interviewed one of the native one of my women women, I interviewed said that in many ways, the native people where the first scientists, and I love that idea of being a good scientist is about making observations over and over and over again and able and then drawing conclusions from them, right? And we can do that mathematically with numbers. In equations. But I also do think that someone standing still in place and observing over time ends up holding incredible amount of knowledge and being able to see that played out in my own research. You know with people I interviewed with what I found. The good example was in the forests affected by climate change. You know that the trees will after the trees die. There's a growth in the under- story. So you'll get a lot of shrubs coming in things like vaccinia m-. That deer released upon and talking with local community members. They're able to share those observations as well, not from a mathematical perspective with the same stats and things that I would but talked with hunters who would go into the forest administer acted and one hunt there because they knew the deer we're going there for the for the vaccinia, and the blueberries that's really it's fascinating. And you also talk about this one woman who noticed that the roots had changed their morphology eighteen years ago. She says I saw it. So I know that's connected to something that's going on environmentally. Yeah. So that was Teri rough guard. She she'd been collecting spruce roots from certain areas for almost two decades. And she'd also done the same down in the lower forty eight or in the Pacific northwest was whether it's warmer temperature. Tres? And basically she could see what was happening in southeast. Something was happening with the the roots where they were changing their shape or curling up differently. And that it, you know, paralleled other places other warmer places where she had collected roots before who's to say, what's exactly causing that. I don't know that we haven't scientific study scientific put in quotes. But you know, someone's observation over time there is certainly some insight to to maybe there are other kinds of impacts occurring under underneath the soil. This one little point a wanna remember to talk about an and that's how some things in this field can be counter intuitive. You talk about how as warming occurs and you get rain instead of snow. There's no insulating layer of snow to protect the roots. And because it's warmer. The roots freeze and the tree. Die. And so that's an example of how if you're trying to explain how warming can be fundamentally damaging and you say things got warmer in the tree froze to death. So I just think that's an important story to show you to show people that in a warming world, you get interesting effects that are not what you might necessarily expect because if somebody is really committed to denying the reality of warming, and they say, we'll see these trees froze to death. They didn't used to freeze to death. And so how can there be warming? Well, that's how our Sharon say the buck that I think it's like, it's very counterintuitive it confusing. Death by freezing a warming world with the heck. And I think that's a lot of what people will latch onto right? That are early language around climate change was focused on warming. Right. But warming causes all these other complicated. Dynamics warming is just really one piece of the puzzle. And in fact, one driver that then triggers many other complex interactions hoping could get you to read the end of the last full chapter before the Balogh. What does this tree have to teach us from two thousand ten two thousand seventeen for nearly eight years of my life? I wrote that question over and over and over again in my notebooks in my various, computer files on scraps of paper on butcher, paper hanging on my wall. What does this tree have to teach us what this is tree? Have teach me my answer that we are all. Volna rable. There may be survivors carrying out their lives and pockets where conditions remain favorable. They may regroup perhaps even Volve and at the right moment in time, even flourish again. But what does this treat ask of me? Perhaps that one is far more important my answer that I can observe the changes occurring around me and embrace the struggle to accept them to respond to them to adapt to them. I can look ahead. Live today holding space for tomorrow, I can fight for what we can still Kerr tale. I can play a part not live apart, and I can act with care for others when the floods hit when the seas rise when the snow melts, the rivers run dry and the flames rage defeat may only be a failure to adapt. If this tree species all the people connected to it gave me one great gift. It is this the realization that there's simply no imagine tomorrow. No. Modeled future scenario, no amount or shade of red that could ever possibly nullify the need for unwavering care and thoughtful action today to me that is thriving to me in this rapidly changing world that is grace. It is how I choose to live with what I know. That's it for this episode. Get your science news at our website, WWW dot scientific American dot com. 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"From NPR and WBZ. You are. I'm Robin Young. I'm Tanya Moseley it's here now and let's go straight to Iowa where the first contest of the presidential campaign gets underway tonight tonight. The Iowa caucuses will set the stage for the rest of the primary season and the Democrat. Who Wins will get a big boost going into New Hampshire primaries next week? NPR's national a political correspondent. Don GONYEA joins us now from Des Moines and done. Some candidates have been campaigning in Iowa for more than a year. Now in anticipation of tonight's caucuses what what does the final push look like. Well it's been fascinating to watch when you talk to voters especially in in large part because of how different it feels from Caucasus. From years past I there is such a large field Some have been here for more than a year. Some have campaigned here for a long time and dropped out already so the field the shrunk a bit in the past month or two but it still big and there are lots of top. Tier candidates ZANDER's Warren Buddha Judge Machar so so that makes it different but but but also can i. Can I play the voice of one voter for you that I think really does capture this. Yeah I mean there is. There is a more of a trying to game out the system. And what's going to happen in the states. After Iowa this is from a Buddha pige event in Waterloo. Over the weekend they pronounce it Waterloo. Her name is Laura Sniffen. She's retired from John Deere. I just asked her the simple question who she's caucusing caucusing for. I'm more or less just kind of keep an open. Mind so I've seen amy and I've Seen Pete Times they on. I have not made it to buy but my husband has and she says she might not make up her mind until she shows up in the caucus site and the best thing about that answer to me is how long she pauses as she's answering. She's takes deep breaths. She's she's really really still still trying to sort it out. That's so interesting you know. There's been a lot of polling and reporting we've been seeing on Democratic voters in Iowa who are more focused guest on beating trump even if that means not voting for the candidate they like best on policy issues. Did you hear that in your conversation with caucus-goers absolutely lutely and that's something else that makes this a very different year of voter after voter. We'll tell you who can win That's who I want. Who can win normally normally in Iowa the look at the field and they say oh? I agree with candidate X.. So they kit onboard and they show up to caucus and you see how it all plays out but right but this time over and over and over people say we gotta be trump. We gotta be trump. We got deny him a second term. Let's meet two more voters These guys were we're both at that same Buddha j.j event the first voice you hear is a college professor in a brand new citizen Omoro baldy. He's confident trump will lose. But the guy I right next to him. They were seated side by side. Christopher Mertz he runs the jazz department at the University of Northern Iowa. He's way less certain certain. So give a listen to them both. I Mr Baldi the new citizen. You're you're optimistic. Trump yes are. Are you so optimistic optimist. Not as optimistic. I wish I could say that I was and I'm GONNA borrow some of your optimism if I may because I needed and I might add. I thought they were friends. They had never met before the rally but they seem to strike up a nice acquaintance with one. Another which happens a lot at these places I want. I also want to ask you about something else. there was this big news over the weekend that the des Moines Register said it would not release a poll that comes out every year. Just before for the caucuses because there was concern that Pete Buddha judges name had been left out in at least one survey How would that poll have been for? Say a a front runner. If they come out it probably would have meant more for all of us about who watch this. Yeah it's a nice to have one final final snapshot of where the voters appear to be. But I don't think it really affects voters themselves much at all and I don't know that it brings people all to the front runner. What what would have been really interesting is it had told us how many people are still undecided? Because we feel like that number is really large this year. That would be nice to know going into tonight but hey you know caucus nights here. So let's just count the votes. Yeah One last question for you. Who needs to do well in Iowa ally in order to move on to New Hampshire? Well I think everybody in the top tier needs to. Do you know something that they can call a a solid performance and maybe a better way to put it. Nobody can afford to tank But especially amy klobuchar coming from Minnesota right next door to Iowa playing upper upper midwestern roots. She needs to finish really well. Because the argument then becomes well If she can't win here where can she win But Buddha jae-jean Gagen Biden both appear ready to move on either way Sanders in Warren are basically going home to New England for the next stop so so they'll be there either their way but there are really a million ways to handicap all this so we'll be watching it very closely thanks so much that's NPR's national political correspondent responded Don Gonyea and De Moines so much do well. Let's go from Iowa to Washington where the Senate impeachment trial of president. Trump is in its final days after Democrats failed to get enough enough votes on Friday to allow for witnesses or evidence today. Each side is presenting closing arguments. Wednesday Republicans are likely to equip the president. Even though many say his his actions were wrong. So is this the end. NPR's Tim Mack covers national security in politics for NPR. He's been on Capitol Hill. He's still there. Hi Tim hither and I the Monday reaction to what happened in this trial over the weekend Republican Senator Joni Ernst told. CNN's Jake tapper that the president asking Ukraine to investigate get a political rival in exchange for military aid. Was Not what she would have done. Why wouldn't you have done it because it was wrong because it was inappropriate? I think generally speaking going going after corruption would be the right thing to do. He did it maybe. In the wrong manner and Senator Lamar Alexander was stronger. He said Democrats made their case. The the president was wrong but Alexander said it would pour gasoline on the culture wars to remove him. Lawyer Alan Dershowitz said also the president did it was wrong. What are you hearing? How Republicans navigating that move from? It didn't happen to it did well. This has been something that's evolved throughout throughout the course of this entire impeachment inquiry not let alone the impeachment trial there have always been pools of Republicans who have been open to saying that the president did something wrong wrong. And they're looking at the facts. the President committed some misconduct. There's been folks like senator earns who have been willing to varied lightly touch on the topic and say. Oh well I would not have done what the president is accused of doing. But you'll notice that senator earns doesn't quite you come out and say that it was wrong or that. It was immoral or that it was unethical to do what the president is accused of doing in Ukraine. And then of course there's this The these he's allies the presidents who are still very close to him. I'm thinking about Senator Lindsey Graham for example who have said that the president's call was essentially perfect then. What about Tim I'm sorry to interrupt you. But what about the new stuff that is coming out on Friday night. The Justice Department revealed had twenty four emails. That could show the president's thinking on on Ukraine on Friday we watch during the trial is Adam. Schiff looked directly at trump lawyer patsy Baloney and talked about the New New York Times report that John on Bolton's unpublished manuscript describes a meeting where the president told Bolton to pressure Ukraine for this information about Democrats and simple Oni was in that meeting so looking looking ahead Is there thinking that simple oni will face repercussions for not recusing himself. Well there's there's a sense that That this investigation go into the the these This what what Democrats have called the scheme a scheme around Ukraine that investigation will not conclude with the ending of this trial as if we expect. The president is acquitted on Wednesday The House still remains Still remains controlled by Democrats pats and they continue to have the ability to investigate an issue subpoenas and very is quite possible that has intelligence committee chairman Adam. Schiff may pursue pursue. This may pursue a subpoena of John Bolton may pursue a copy of Mister Bolton's manuscript which is now undergoing security review There are a lot of. There are a lot of unanswered questions in the eyes of Democrats and they may want to continue to look at those so the investigation education. Could you near you. Well but senator Lindsey Graham told Fox News he may try to speak with the whistleblower. He may subpoena him. We mentioned Senator Joni Ernst she. She told Bloomberg News that have Joe Biden is elected Republicans could immediately pushed to impeach. Him just feels as if There's a uh-huh yeah if you do that we'll do this right well. There is an effort gearing up in the Senate as you mentioned to perhaps even here from Hunter Biden and bring Hunter Biden before Senate committee to answer questions so there's a real sense on Capitol Hill that this doesn't end with the trial. This this is this this is perhaps just one act in a series of acts And that there are a lot of unanswered questions that Folks on both sides the I'll have and that they're they're like like you kind of hint at. There's some sort of unsettled scores. I'll definitely meanwhile just a few seconds to go here. But what's the tone today in the closing the argument well. There's a sense of resignation among both sides that That this is a almost foregone conclusion we haven't seen large numbers of Republicans. Come out against the president so an you know the bar so high for conviction and removal sixty-seven senators need to come out and say that the president was guilty. Not of the articles of impeachment. We haven't seen anything close to that. We may see a very Party line vote when it comes down to it So right now. We're going through some of these closing arguments and expect of vote on Wednesday for acquittal. NPR's Mac covers national security and politics. NPR Tim thank you the slot. The world is complicated but knowing the past can help us understand it so much better. That's where we come in. I'M RANDOM ATTACK ON ROMPING ARAB LOUIS and we're the host of through line. NPR's history podcast every week. We'll dig into forgotten stories from the moments that shaped our world through line from NPR. Listen and subscribe. Subscribe now and we've talked here about how the low unemployment rate combined with. Americans being less willing to relocate has led to employers sweetening the pot perspective white collar workers throwing in signing bonuses for instance. But did you know there are half a million factory jobs. Dubs unfilled according to the Department of Labor. That's the most nearly two decades and now skilled factory workers are getting some perks. As Well Austin hovered wrote about this the Wall Street Journal. He's in Chicago. Austin what are some of the jobs and what are some of the perks. Well it seems like the one that's becoming more and more common is just paying for we location whether you're welder. Whether you know how to program a machine or whether you're just a normal laborer some factories are increasingly offering going to move you across the country and and give you a couple of thousand dollars just to begin working. We should say that some of these workers do become white collar workers. Some of these are management. Jobs you profile Fella young man who used to work in a bike shop and got two thousand dollars to move from Salt Lake City to somewhere near Columbus and he bought some collared shirts with the money that he got A. Yeah exactly I mean. Basically the the sky helps run. It equipment in a factory in Columbus Nebraska. Actually you know. He basically said that that he was told from a friend of a friend that there's an opening available and the two thousand dollars was enough to kind of get him to put his stuff in his car and and buy some extra shirt says he said what are some. The mother company's just tick them off will raytheon and Caterpillar Lockheed Martin Even much smaller companies like maker of garbage trucks a maker of parts for the car industry kind of seems like depending on where they are. It seems like it's becoming increasingly sort of what they need to do to fill their backlogs. Half a million jobs even as we have this low unemployment and little wage growth. Is that one of the reasons that people haven't been moving. It's hard to move if you're not going to get more money yet. Ah I think it's something. That a lot of economists are kind of scratching their heads about trying to figure out. Why is the moving rate so low? I mean basically. It's the lowest rate since they started tracking being the metric in the forties. And whether that means that the opportunities are available or something else is stopping them from moving. It's definitely not a particularly good sign. Well you printed into G. H.. Tool and mold which is an auto industry supplier. They've increased their starting wage to around eighteen. An hour from fifteen dollars a few years ago they are also paying moving expenses. They post notices on facebook group called leaving Illinois to get workers from a state that is you know depopulating the try to entice people to move. This seems like a good time. Four factory workers in this in this way. Yeah I mean it definitely seems that way. I thought it's interesting. How over the course of twenty nineteen Wage growth has actually ticked up and so in December wages for manufacturing workers grit three percent which is actually higher than for the rest of the economy in. So maybe we're starting to see me be somewhat of a shift towards some of these factory jobs which which is a good thing. It is a good thing because the industry needs it right but it's important to remember though. Is that a lot of these factory. Factory jobs are not the jobs of old. You know they're skilled. They require some sort of education. Maybe not a four year college but definitely something some sort of technical degree he perhaps and so they aren't just like necessarily just a day laborer and this is one of the problems that it's It's happening a manufacturing right now. They have a shortage of skilled labors. Yes exactly and that's why there's so many open jobs and that's why they're having to offer these relocation benefits because you can't really work remote At a factory Austin hovered a reporter for the Wall Street Journal will link you to his article that list these companies at here. Now Dot Org Austin thank you. Thanks the Catholic. Church is still struggling to contain the damage from the widespread clergy sex abuse scandal that I rock the institution nearly two decades ago. New cases cases are still emerging just last week a former Dallas priest was arrested in Missouri accused of sexually assaulting a young child decades ago. Dallas Police Lee say. The priest admitted to abusing dozens of children in the nineteen eighties. In recent years the Catholic Church has entered into agreements with several states to establish funds to pay reparations to the victims but those funds come with some built in limitations and many people who are abused by priests as children still haven't received a dime Colorado. Colorado Public Radio's Andrew. Kenny has one of their stories. Now this warning. It's hard to hear. It includes descriptions of sexual abuse that some people will find troubling. Pat Wilcox. Didn't know what to expect. When her younger brother asked to move in for years ago she knew he was having a hard time in Kansas but he seemed like a different person Jason when he arrived in Greeley and a beat up truck? He had his clothes in the back the jeans I remember they'd been rained on. She had to throw most of his stuff away. We couldn't get the mold off of them. Her brother is in his fifties. His name is Terry shippers but to their big family. He's should you know he was number number. Seven and Dad said he was his little sugar after moving to Colorado shippers drinking heavily his marriage was over he seemed like a shell of himself after another of his benders. A thought struck pat this. Just not alcoholism I said. Were you sexually abused. Used and he. He looked at me and he said as a matter of fact I was that day sugar shippers joint scores of Colorado's who've come forward forward with allegations of abuse by Catholic clergyman Shippers says he met his Abuser Julian Haas in his Kansas hometown during middle school. You know he was a nice guy. You know how funny you know like to be around you know young boys and I I really enjoyed his company at that time. Haas was a fryer and he recruited shippers for the nearby. Prep school where he worked. It was run by a Catholic religious order. The capuchins early on Haas started paying special attention to shippers after after ten PM prayers. He would take the boy to the pool and to the canteen for candy so it was kind of a I thought was a treat. You know to get a stay up later and everybody Elson Elson. Get a go swimming and And that's when you know it started shippers says the abuse began as fondling and escalated to rape at least seven people have come forward in recent years to allege Haas abused them in the seventies according to the local district attorney shipper says the abuse ended when he confronted the Friar after a few months for decades afterward he buried it. You know it wasn't easy but I just You know for some reason season just kept it in and try to you know. Move on with life. Shippers was a star athlete in school and later the manager of a grain mill. He married his college sweetheart. Jackie shippers to make everybody feel hockey. Still welcome it seemed like you know. He's always very genuine. And very so allies it can take decades for abuse related problems the surface according to an Hagan web a psychologist an abuse survivor herself. There's an awful lot of people who outwardly. Look very successful. Look like things are just fine and they don't sleep at night or they are hyper vigilant. Jackie Q.. Shippers says shook started to spiral middle age. He lost jobs argued with his kids. Drank until Jackie couldn't take it anymore and she ended the marriage. When shippers sister Pat learned about the allegation? She wanted to tell. The captions shippers agreed got mixed emotions. But all in all I I thought it needed to be told and And so I told the mid America province recently commissioned a review of the organization's stations files it found credible allegations involving thirteen clergymen including US representatives. Visited shippers took down his story and made an offer free therapy. He went to eight appointments. You know just to me kept bringing up old memories that I'm trying. The forget shippers is still trying to rebuild his life for now. His family is angrier than he is. This creased I mean. He ruined my family. He you know He. He ruined that man and the Catholic Church. They WANNA just kinda sweep it under the rug to like many others. His allegations are probably too old for a lawsuit and Julian Haas has never been charged with a crime. He lives under voluntary house. Arrest at a captain mm property in Colorado. The Catholic Church in Colorado has agreed to pay reparations to some survivors. The initial payments have averaged about eight thousand dollars but the offer excludes those abused by religious order members like the captions or out of state allegations like shippers. The distinction makes shippers ex wife. Jackie furious go. Can that be separate. How can that be different? The crime was committed. The act was done. She wants a response isn't based on diocese or state boundaries are- presentative for the Denver Archdiocese says the churches collectively going above and beyond what any other institution is doing a cabinet in Providence representative said that it offers offers assistance such as therapy based on the facts of each case. Meanwhile the shippers family is wrestling with what happened for Jackie. It's what was lost. We you would be together and we would be doing our dreams that we had shippers. SISTER PAT praise guidance. Because I was surprised at The Hague I had towards the individual that had raped my brother and for shook shippers. It's the unanswered question. Why he did it? I guess is the question I have. I mean I I think I kinda know now. Uh but it's you know to do what he did is just wasn't right. It took decades for shook schepers to tell his story. He's still waiting to heal for here now. I'm Andrew Kenny And last week the investigative news site PROPUBLICA released database of six thousand Catholic priests who've who've been credibly accused of sexual abuse or misconduct. The church released those names after escaping. Eight hundred page report in twenty eighteen from grand jury in Pennsylvania Ah detailing widespread abuse of more than a thousand children over years Lincoln to the database at here now as public health and infectious disease. Experts were to stave off the spread of the new corona virus. Economists honest are starting to look at its potential economic impact in China today stocks recorded their worst day in years and economists worry that the longer takes to contain the outbreak. Take the worst. The financial consequences will be in China and abroad. Joe Slesinger is the host of Jill on money financial analyst at CBS. And she's writing about all of this on her blog will link you joe. Welcome thanks to be with you so start by telling us about the short term consequences What are you seeing in China? Well obviously there is a huge impact when you are shutting down retail locations and people. The consumers in China are whether quarantined or not not going going out. Shopping couldn't have happened at a worse time. Also remember this was the Lunar New Year celebration the year of the rat and this is a time think of it almost like a holiday season in China and imagine if we had something like this during our holidays how we might pull back and kind of retreat to our families so I think what we're likely to see is at the very least a a short term impact in the first quarter for Chinese growth probably to see an annualized pace of about five percent in China and by the way elsewhere in the program we spoke to an American student in in a province not even in the city of Wuhan where this outbreak started and he said it's desolate you know. The the lunar decorations are falling off of closed. Restaurants is really kind of sad. But what do you think this means for China's trading partners the. US We have the car industry. Yeah Yeah Yeah I mean I actually. When we look at Chinese growth we were already worried? It was slowing down. So we were at you know six point six percent annualized in two thousand eighteen down to six point one percent in two thousand nineteen eighteen and I should say a lot of analysts and economists. Don't exactly believe that these are the correct numbers. Let's focus on the direction down and when you look at what would happen if Chinese. He's the Chinese economy. Were to sputter at this point. We know the trading partners in Asia or in Europe Germany's a big partner in Brazil. We'll even the. US We are seeing already the impact we know that companies across lots of different industries have enforced travel bans. They're shutting their manufacturing facilities. They're rerouting their supply chains and certainly lots of retailers closing stores in the affected areas. Well they've been flight cancellations. You know not many people want to fly to have meetings there and you mentioned it's impacting the US on Friday. The Dow fell six hundred points. That's been said to be related to the virus. Yeah I think that the real concern is the unknown and when we don't know things that's when investors start to get a little bit nuts and you know we're all like that when we look at our retirement tyrant accounts we hear a headline. We want to do something. Now that said the as you noted in the opening the Shanghai index was down eight percent but it had been closed closed since January. Twenty third. Lot Of pent-up selling here in the United States stocks opened higher. But I think there can sit. There continues to be a worry that the unknown is really spooky for investors and it's hard to make a big decision to invest in a company or if your company to invest in something big going forward lowered without understanding the scope of how this virus could spread and impact all of us so interesting. Health officials are having the same dilemma. They know it'll be a pandemic. It'll be around the world but they just don't know how bad it will be an investors and economists obviously watching warily as well injure hosted you'll on money malinke again to her blogs blogs Joe. Thanks as always thanks for having me. In the death toll. Inside of Mississippi's prisons has now climbed to fifteen. Since the end of December most of those deaths occurred at Parchman a prison with a long history of violence and squalid conditions. Mississippi's new Republican Governor Tate. Reeves recently shut down a notoriously violent violent unit inside of parchment and Mississippi lawmakers are introducing legislation to address the problem. But some say it's a little too late Jerry Mitchell is he's the founder of the Mississippi Center for investigative reporting. He has reported extensively on conditions. Dating back to two thousand thirteen and Jerry. You're at the Clarion Ledger. Back then Dan and it was a phone call from an inmate that prompted your investigation. What to that inmate tell you well? E unlike other inmates I kinda ahead gotten letters from a different things like this. He started detailing for me the corruption that was going on inside that prison. He was talking about correctional officers Opening doors so that Certain inmates could be beaten even killed. And what happens. Is these prisons in Mississippi acidity there so short staffed like the vacancy rate in Mississippi is about fifty percent Mississippi. Mississippi also pays its prison guards the lowest rate in the country I'm reading here. That an Entry Level Guard makes twenty six thousand dollars a year as you note that if a guard has a family they would actually be eligible for food stamps. So I I could see why this is an argument as to why it's a tough job to recruit it for Can you talk a little bit about how this may have contributed to some of these recent inmates suicides and killings that we're seeing for example on the suicide aside a part of the equation All but I think one of the suicides has taken place in solitary confinement and prison. Prison experts tell you if you leave someone in solitary confinement you need to check on them regularly and that's the other thing is happening with the lack of correctional officers. They're not checking on inmates. They're required under you know their own rules and regulations to do that. I think I think they check check like ten times a day or some something like that more than that even so anyway so people are hanging themselves or and then With the murders is just A. You know it's this violence because if you have inmates charge is the gangs essentially the most powerful and so they kind of dominate and so their rules go and if they decide somebody needs to be killed because says for whatever reason they owe money whatever the situation is they can carry it out without and sometimes appear to be aided by guards in carrying out the one that one's up at parchman there's video you can see and the inmates actually cheering cheering the other conveyed to kill. Oh my Gosh I. Nobody around officials knew they had a problem on their hands corrections. Commissioner police a hall who resigned earlier this month repeatedly asked the state legislature for more money to hire guards. How did lawmakers respond to her They basically ignored her request and said now the money is essentially as that was kind of their answered her. She put this out to them. She told them I was there. Hurt myself and nothing. And this go round on their asking a department grocers for seventy one million dollars. The Legislative Committee jointly budget committee is actually recommending cut. So this is what this is. What's happening unfortunately is is the you know the they're these cries but sint nothing happens in in basically absolutely the answer is well we have budget shortfalls? We had And they also had these corporate tax cuts as well and it was the last priority. So so yeah. They just continued to whack away at the at the funding Jerry Mitchell founder of the Mississippi Center for investigative reporting talking to us about Mississippi's underfunded prisons where a recent spate of killings and suicides have prompted the governor to shut one long troubled unit down. Jerry thank you thank you so much for having me I appreciate. The European Union is hoping to set in law a zero emissions target by twenty fifty for all EU nations. This here member states Slovenia recently became the latest country to declare a goal of going carbon neutral by two thousand fifty promising to double its supply of renewable energy in the next is ten years. Well one model for that could be the town of Wolf Haagen Germany. A place that already gets a one hundred percent of its electricity from renewable energy sources sources. Manfred Shabaab is a member of Wolf Huggins City Parliament and he joins us on skype and Manfred. Your town decided to build. Its own in power plants to help meet this goal of becoming one hundred percent renewable. Tell us why you did that. Yes we choose at Rhodes because we looked for the energy we can use here local and the biggest chance we saw. Aw was in solar energy and wind. Energy Soda. Injury was built in the past chiefs from Priva- chill persons and also from companies and the communities. You formed a cooperative and had the city building operates own Renewable power plants you and other local officials have said that the cooperative structure is critical because it makes citizens part owners of the power plants. It's so they're they're literally invested in the success of renewable energy there. Can you talk about the importance of of that type of cooperative in this. This whole scheme. yes this corporative is very important for us We decided to give any EH person in and around the Trans to build up a cooperative. Which now owns twenty five percent of our? Our City owned utility company. And the idea was if the person's have financial benefits Sir from the windmills. They will accept it Easier leap to build your town. Has the population under fifteen thousand. Do you think it's possible for bigger cities to do something like this. It's it's possible yes so depends on the size of the city. We have much smaller villages who have energy corporative 's and we have also L. bigger co-operatives so it's possible a at every place you have to find the people who do this use. Yes Wolf Haagen Maybe a one hundred percent renewable when it comes to electricity but they're still fossil fuel consumption and transportation and heating heating sectors Are you doing anything about that. Is that something. That's next on on the frontier. Yes we are doing something but it's not so easy as it was in the field of electricity because In the field of heating and transportation every person himself has to do something so we gave some money for owners of houses to invest invest in environmental friendly heating systems are in relation of the houses. And so on and does this one project that we have also some projects in the field of Mobility Germany has many laws to encourage the production of renewable energy. Do you think this model would work in other countries that don't have the same laws like here in the United States. Some um we have to look far the circumstances a in every country. That's it's not possible to take it one to two one. We sent to another place. What you need is the person who do it? And this was a key factor for our success. In fact we have a lot of persons working together from different professions. And this was one enough the key factors of our success to work together. Yes that's Manfred Schaub member of the city parliament of Wolf Haagen Germany. Thank thank you so much for speaking with us on your over. The past decade Federal Wildlife Officials say marine vessels in Alaska's waters hit whales seventy seven times by far the most of any state about three quarters of at the time they hit endangered humpbacks. And it's not clear why those strikes keep happening so a group of federal researchers and Marine pilots teamed up to combine fine what scientists know about whale behavior with what Marine pilots know about ships in hopes of cutting down the number of strikes coast. Alaska's Jacob resnick reports Most of the millions who visit Glacier Bay National Park in Alaska Alaska each year never touched dry-land they view the majestic ice sheets from the deck of a cruise ship for those that do make landfall a visitor's center in Bartlett let Cova displays a towering skeleton of humpback whale national parks scientists. Scott Kennedy explains. She didn't die of natural causes. Well this this is the way that was struck in two thousand one By a cruise ship that was exiting Glacier Bay and it Kinda served as a catalyst to a lot of the efforts to reduce the probability of Collision Between Ships and Wales and the park. The whales name was snow she was pregnant. Humpback that park visitors had been photographing in the nineteen seventies princess cruise lines ended up paying seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars to settle with the federal government after admitting the ship had been going too fast. Scott Gandhi is riding along as an observer on Honda. America's Norodom he's using a spotter scope and has a walkie talkie to talk to the bridge To killer whales twelve o'clock about two thousand meters coming. We take away point when recite a whale. There we right down on the data sheet that has the distance that worry tation the behavior and the role to bring to the ship. Getty designed this program. It's been logging. Observations since two thousand thousand six on. How whales react hawking ships close in but he didn't realize how is data could translate into real world advice until a chance meeting with the people who sail sale the ships in Alaska foreign flag ships have to hire pilots to guide them through state waters? He says the pilots told him. We do this all the time. And it's not just in Glacier Bay and we'd like to work with you and develop some of these ideas because you have a good grip on the science of behavior and but we're the ones out there operating burden shifts every day. One of those Marine pilots is Larry Does he says it was a lightbulb moment. We said look. Let's work on you guys. You know helping educate locate us on whale behavior and see how that applies and and will Helped educate you on limitations of ships and so forth the first step step dispel. Some myths like slowing down is the most effective course of action to take in spotting Awale. It's often better to change course but there are a lot of factors just like like a deer running out in front of a car you know you may or may not have time to react and that action that you take has to factor actor in do no further harm you know. Don't drive into a tree head on. Don't list a ship so much that you cause damage and and such Gandhi's research coupled with the pilots experiences at the helm lays out what they've learned in glacier bay and in some ways it can be applied in other places that's important as it's federal authorities have logged more than one hundred eighty wheel strikes in. US waters over the past decade. And that's an undercount ship. Captains aren't legally required to report when they hit hit Aweil and sometimes they don't even know what happened. The dead whale can sink to the bottom or decomposes on a remote beach other times. It isn't so discreet. Like like in two thousand seventeen when a princess cruise lines ship sailed into Ketchikan harbor with the dead humpback on its bow. Quite frankly I have no idea when we picked up Eric Chamberlain. England is a top executive for the Carnival Group includes Princess Cruises and Holland America line. The strike happened at night. Nobody thought and it wasn't discovered until first light. He he says they followed all the procedures before hitting Wales and that the cruise industry is eager to improve in any way it can for two reasons. It's the right thing to do and it's good business It is Utmost importance that our use of the area the resources areas sustainable. Larry Vos has. He's still learning even after decades driving ships in southeast Alaska. He's had some close calls. There's just times when for whatever reason with nothing else going on literally Awale Services Close aboard this group of federal researchers and independent Marine pilots recently put what their findings down on paper in an article published in the Journal. Frontiers in Marine Science. Gandhi's has a long road ahead but he's happy with what they've contributed so far if we can understand the nature of ship strikes without actually having ships strikes occur then you can formulate management actions or we can understand I in avoidance maneuver without having a bunch of dead whales on the beach town on the vow the Holland America ship passengers rapid parkas hoot and Holler the humpback whale cycles up the ship. This is what they've come to Alaska to see for here. You're in now. I'm Jacob resnick reporting Glacier Bay production of N._p._R. W._B. Association with the B._B._C.. World Service and tiny nosy. I'm Robin this is here now.

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July 30: Keeping up appearances

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July 30: Keeping up appearances

"The theatres have closed, but the show look on play me podcast is thrilled to present a new series. The show must go on featuring provocative productions from some of North America's most acclaimed creators for the stage. Sit back and experience everything from chilling thrillers to Gut wrenching dramas to arriver in comedies. Each month experience the exhilaration of theatre from the comfort of your own home plenty available wherever you get your podcasts. This is a CBC. PODCAST. Hello. I'm Susan Bar and I'm Chris. Hayden this as it happens the podcast edition. Keeping up appearances, all eyes are on Justin Trudeau, as he tries to explain his ties to the we charity, we reach a former prime ministerial advisor who knows a thing or two about political theater to size up the PM's performance home going mourners gathered in Atlanta Georgia today to say a final farewell to the late US Congressman John. Lewis, former. President Barack Obama was there to eulogize the man who championed good trouble an inside job after spending months barred from visiting her dementia stricken husband. Husband of Florida with finds a way in by picking up a job as a part-time dishwasher in his nursing home diminishing returns today. Ontario, rolled out its plan for getting kids back to school this fall. But the head of the province's elementary teachers. Union tells us. There's a lot more to do before class is in session. Nice to see you. It's been awale. Kovic has made life underwater quieter than it's been in a long time. We reach a wildlife biologist in Alaska, the Hump. Are Thrilled and from our archives, give fleece a chance a Scottish woman has sellers remorse after letting go of her lamb norman and after a seven hour journey she discovers Norman misses her to as it happens the Thursday edition radio that defies an order to abandon sheep. If Justin Trudeau thinks his appearance at committee today will satisfy his critics. He should probably think again, the prime minister spent an hour and a half in the hot seat at a finance committee meeting a rare thing for a sitting pm. He told the committee that quote time was of the essence when we charity was chosen to administer nine, hundred, million dollars, student volunteer program. He said he was well aware of the possible negative perceptions given his family connections to the charity and regrets not recusing himself from cabinet discussions. Peer poly of didn't buy it. Here's the conservative M. P questioning the prime minister, Prime Minister you twice or found guilty of breaking the ethics to act. After those two convictions if you decide to read. The act. You got fourteen seconds. Prime Minister. Yes, I have read the number of times. Are you wear a section twenty one? A. Yes. Since I've read the AD. I'm aware of what does it say? I. Can pull it up for you, but if you haven't in front of you. Says Public Office holder of which you are one shell recuse himself or herself from any discussion decision debate more vote in any matter in which. Respective, which here, she would be a conflict of interest. Now, what you've admitted today is not just that you were in a conflict of interest. That you consciously recognized in your may cabinet meeting that's such. A conflict might exist. that. It didn't just slide by your ask that you were consciously aware that there was a an inappropriate link to your family that would put you in a conflict. Why did you at that moment? Not Call the ethics commissioner and recuse yourself my concern around with choosing myself was the question around perceptions because I knew wealth this candidates summer students, grant or sixteen. To. Directly benefit a my mother or my brother, how much money total have your brother mother and spouse received from this organization? How much that information has been publicly shared, but I will highland. As much has has the dollar figure throughout her life, the dollar figure, primate Harris ways, and his up. How much of the work that she's not an I'm proud of how much I'm looking for a dollar figure. We can get that number for you if you like it's an out in the media. Media, you don't know I don't have it in front of me. How. Much your family has received from this organization which you tried to give a half billion dollars. Really. I answer. Mr. I'm waiting. You haven't done an answer so far. Let's make this the first one. That was conservative or quality of grilling the prime minister. This afternoon David Hurley knows what it's like to work for a leader in a tight spot. He was an adviser to former prime minister, Paul Martin, and is now a political consultant we reached Mr, Hurley in Toronto. David Hurley. How did Justin? Trudeau hold up against this grilling today by the Finance Committee? I thought he held up pretty well actually to be honest. I think he emerged from this largely unscathed. I think that he had a terrific demeanor throughout was largely more normal and more likable than the people that were interrogating him. But more fundamentally, I don't think anything emerged in this testimony that advances the story from the opposition perspective. Mr Trudeau outlined a slightly new scenario around which he himself had been aware of disappointed that we was going to be doing the program and had pushed back against the bureaucracy on that too. Even further buttress. The argument that he had nothing to do with the wording, this contract we and that's the central point of the allegation. Is that the government itself conceived of this program for we and directed to we've for we've BENEFA-. And I don't think anything came out and Mr feudals testimony that advances that argument at all. But but David if he admitted as he did that he suspected there would be extra scrutiny because of his and his family's connections to we, and he pushed this back to the public service and said, really scrutinize this. We've got to be extra careful here if he knew that much. Why then didn't he recuse himself when it did come to cabinet? Yeah while. I don't think he answered that question and that's a that's A. that's a judgment question. It doesn't. You mean I hate to get technical about this, but recusals doesn't matter if you didn't conceive of direct the program. Now, there is the whole issue of conflict and perceived conflicts with him, and he makes the argument which is perhaps a little thin that because none of his family stood to benefit from this particular program that there was no conflict, the commissioner may have a different view of that. But I don't think it looks any worse today than it did yesterday. But does that get to the one big question surrounding this David? You mentioned judgment. You know what was the prime minister thinking? This is his third ethical lapse in five years. Why does he have trouble figuring this out? Well I I would only be speculating Susan. if I was to speculate, I, would speculate on two things that. he. Thinks of himself as somebody that is does good life. He thinks of himself very virtuously. He doesn't have the Prep self-awareness that is required to see how other people see you and other people see your relationships swipe don't don't think he sees the things. He's doing the way outsiders she them is that another way of saying David that he doesn't think the rules apply to him. No, it isn't be as what I was joined to say, Susan's that that's not uncommon to people. It's not uncommon even in in a normal people to not be that self aware about yourself. But you know in politics you get, you can get removed from things and you can develop some blind spots. Mr trill wouldn't be the first or only person I've seen with this and that comes to the second point. which is in order to not get in trouble, you need to have a situation in which people feel able and empowered to challenge you. Without fear of retribution and so you know it staff are the people who save politicians from themselves. They're the ones who who point these things out to them and fight with them. And convinced them. Either that it is a conflict or tell them, you can't do it. Even if you don't understand that it's a conflict and I don't know that they've got that culture inside that government and I think the combination of his own sense of himself and that lack of a challenge function leads to these kinds of things. David. What do you think the political calculation was behind his decision to volunteer to appear? I think that they correctly assess that. The issue was not going well for them politically. So I, presume that they concluded that he needed to address that and that this was the right forum in which to do that, and I also suspected that they thought when he was jammed up against Mr Paulie, oven, Mr Cooper, and Mr Barrot that he wouldn't do badly in that comparison and those exchanges and I think they were right. Okay. So we now know that on top of the speaking fees. The Prime Minister's mother and brother received today were also reimbursed for expenses in Margaret Tudor Case I. Think it was one, hundred, sixty, seven, thousand dollars in expenses. These her large sums to the average. Canadian. Do you think Justin Trudeau Convinced Canadians that he's not out of touch. No. I don't I think that's probably one of the one of the great. Problems for the government that comes out of this, is that no matter what the ultimate? Resolution of the facts tuition is even if it is completely in the government's favor, it is leaving an impression and it's leaving an impression that existed on all ready. That the government people at the center of at are either wealthy or well off, and they associate with people who are wealthier well off, and that is why just because issues starts to diminish in terms of its headline capacity. That doesn't mean you've gotten away with it. The next election is not going to be about this thing. The next election is going to be about who has a plan to create jobs and in the economic devastation that will follow the Kelvin virus. That's what the election's going to be about. But that doesn't mean that issues like this. Don't have an impact on your credibility. So I think the government is probably going to escape from this issue without further damage, but that doesn't mean damn. It hasn't been done from the time you get elected. You start putting bricks in a wall that will ultimately defeat you, and this is at least a couple of heavy bricks on that wall. David. Hurley. Thank you for your time. Susan it was my pleasure to be here. Thank you for asking. By. By. David Hurley. Is a political consultant and principal partner at the Gandalf Group and was top advisor to former prime. Minister Paul Martin. He's in Toronto. Following Prime Minister Trudeau's appearance today, his chief of Staff Katie. Telford us from MP's for two hours. Here's an exchange she had with conservative MP Michael Barrett, the prime minister testified today that the option given the cabinet was we or nothing why did the cabinet except this supposed binary choice? Why not ask for auctions you know? Is this a government run by the public service run by cabinet because the accountability rests with the the head of government? It rests with the cabinet. So I. I'm getting a pretty frustrated hearing. You know how much respect that the members of cabinet half for the public service while throwing them under the boss instead of taking accountability for their decision. So I wanna just address two things. You said there one is not trying to No one is during anyone under the bus here. I'm explaining and I'm happy to explain what happened and. And we relied on the public service in the recommendations and their recommendation was to precede the question you're asking around. You know you being frustrated. It was a binary choice that was exactly the kind of question that the prime minister and I were asking on May eighth, which caused it to be pulled from the cabinet agenda that morning so that we could confirm that that was truly the case. That was the prime minister's chief of Staff Katie Telford, responding to a question from Tory m p Michael Barrett today at a finance committee meeting. When September rolls around students in Ontario and Manitoba will be heading back to class just like their peers across the country. Today both provinces announced plans for elementary students to return to class five days a week. Some high school students in both jurisdictions will return on a part time basis relying also on online learning. In Ontario, however, the provinces plan includes masks for kids in grade four, and above along with more than three, hundred, million dollars in funding for additional staff and safety precautions, both of which falls short of what was being asked by teachers, unions, and local boards. Sam Hammond is the president of the Elementary Teachers Federation of Ontario. We reached him in Toronto. Mr Hammond today, the Ontario government rolled out its plans for September. Is this the plan parents and kids needed to hear absolutely not for months, the premier and the Minister of Education promised people in this province. That they would expire no expense to ensure the safety of people including kids in this province and today they broke that and a very good example. That is the fact that they have chosen not to decrease class sizes from K. kindergarten through grade eight with almost every stakeholder parent group and sick kids. In fact recommended. That's what should happen. What are you hearing from teachers about how they are feeling about this plan and heading back to the classroom? Well for months are members have been anxious, extremely concerned about What reopening of schools would look like someone just sent an email saying that based on this plan restaurants, grocery stores in gyms in this province, how more safety protocols in place. Then our costumes will in September and they're concerned about that. Still, what are your biggest concerns right now, about safety issues around safety issues first and foremost is the minister saying that class sizes will remain the same? We almost everyone else advocated for reduced class sizes, fifteen or lower induction happen because it's not happening It will be almost impossible for our members and educators to implement social distancing classrooms that are already jam packed in terms of if you look at a kindergarten class with twenty, nine, four and five year old teacher, a DC he, I'm not sure how they're going to implement even a one meter social distancing protocol that we completely disagree with him at be two meters and you can't do that effectively unless you have smaller class sizes. On the issue of what you described as an impossible scenario of maintaining social distance given the numbers. Does the fact that the provinces requiring the majority of students to wear masks, the masks are mandated. That that is going to provide enough safety. No, we don't think. So we think we should be. Taking a much more cautious approach to this. They're away too many uncertainties Even the authors of the sick kids document that came out yesterday over a third said that masks for students in kindergarten through grade three If you could not maintain two meters of social distancing needed in should be used and that's our position as well. Certainly, it will reduce the risk throughout the school, but we need to look at classrooms individually as well. Now the provinces hiring more public health nurses and providing personal protective equipment for teachers and staff will that mitigate some of your safety concerns. Well, frankly were pleased that the minister has committed to face coverings fuller a all staff in every school board across the province. That's a step. In the right direction, those five hundred nurses will be spread over thirty four health units in this province, and we really WANNA see how closely they'll be interacting with schools in this province, and we think the number of five hundred is too few frankly now, you represent teachers in Ontario, but you were recently named president of the Canadian. Teachers Federation What Are you hearing from teachers across the country about their concerns absolutely same concerns are consistent a across the country they're anxious, they're concerned. About their health and safety and that of their students across this country that Wanna be in costumes, but they wanted to be as safe. As possible and the plane here in a terro, really to step in the right direction. But it doesn't do a lot to reassure our members about their health and safety as we move forward. What is your sense of how? Well the parents are feeling about these issues? I can tell you here in Ontario parent groups across this province have been calling for one. They've said, yes, we want kids in school five days a week, but we want reduced class sizes every stakeholder in the province to set that along with them. And what I'm hearing from parents, and for example, one emailed me today and said that he and others absolutely agree with students who are four or five up to grade three wearing a mask. We're GONNA have to monitor that and help them with that, but that should be happening. So I think for the vast majority of parents, this plans not not enough in terms of when they consider the safety and wellbeing of their children. Do you think this is a done deal or can you negotiate and get better precautions? I hope what will happen is I know that numerous stakeholders in this province are announcing green much the same thing that I am and it is incumbent upon this minister premier to call those stakeholders together to have in-depth discussions and allow us to provide input on how this plan can be made better. But the first step in that is just governmen has to realize. That the three, hundred, million dollars that they've put into the plan is not sufficient. Mr Henman. Thank you for your time. All my pleasure. Thank you. Bye. Bye Bye. Sam Hammond is the president of the Elementary Teachers, Federation of Ontario we reached him in Toronto. When Melanie McLean arrived at her destination. After a long journey, she had another challenge actually finding Norman in a group of about seven hundred of his peers. But she found him in two shakes of his own tail. MS McLean raises and sells lambs for a living in Scotland. She's not sentimental about it, which is why she was so surprised to find herself feeling serious pangs of regret about selling one in particular in September of Twenty Nineteen, Norman and having realized, she'd made a mistake. She then had to find out what farm he'd ended up at Dr Hours and hours to that farm, and then somehow pick that single baby sheep out of the flock. But in the end, it seemed like Norman, had been waiting for her. Carol spoke with Melanie McLean in October of last year. Here's that interview again from our archives. Melania what made you so attached to him and you raised a lot of lamb. So what was it about Norman come up finger on it to be honest. But he's very affectionate nobody as they get older, they become a bit more independent. You distance yourself from them, but I don't know what it was was norman. He just he actually enjoyed cuddled just wasn't about sued him. He enjoyed affection and I gave to. To in abundance, which he enjoyed and you had a special bond with him, because you kept him alive, didn't you and he was born? Yeah. He will. He wasn't very well at all. When he was born I wasn't sure where he was gonNA make it, but I was with him for four eight Irish rains just to make sure that he had everything you need. It's a huddle under a heat lump for. and. Had to feed him by stomach tube goes delighted obviously what he made it through. Its routine for you, then to sell them off to those who are going to make them dinner, right? Yeah. I, run a small cross TM myself. My husband of whole be froze almost farm. So we just have twenty feet. Of the moral individually. An every year. It's the same thing for me I. I normally celebrates twenty five bombs and just got used to doing that. You know that's just what we do. When you told Norman what what three mine would affected that having it was the same as all the other lamps. No I mean, all this may selling my other Lam's, but I do tend managed to go over it. With Norman, I had the dilemma before I even went to the auction mart with him whether to take him or not because he was on his own and he hadn't really mixed with the rest of the I wasn't sure really how he would be with other lum's when he goes away I was just so attached to him. It wasn't like the rest of my mom's a totally. He was more like a dog on silly way. Describe it really at what point did you realize that you had made a mistake to go and find Norman? I mean I was very happy on the day. Head sometimes overrules your heart in these situations. Immediately I I wasn't happy about it. was talking to my husband to afterwards, and before you know after about a week should be okay. Tying when tone an eventually, I, just said I'm just not getting over this I was talking about to everyday to him. Eventually, he said read just please phone them on find out where he is. How did you find him on managed to get a phone number? Cool. The Pharma an iphone phoned him and his wife on the phone and. I was a little bit embarrassed. If I'm honest because I had willingly sold him and it just seemed a bit strange owning them back and say, can I have my mom back? What did they say you? Well, I mean she was so understanding I was surprised actually. You know she said, I fully understand exactly what you're saying, todd pit lumps myself in the past and is a struggle. Don't worry about it. Daily Sing is he's in the field of seven hundred. Lum's on a seventy five Acre field, which is a bit like a needle in the haystack, but she says very welcome to come and find him and how far away with the. Well. It's well, it's probably about five hundred, fifty miles for even forty miles, which to me is seven hours journey to get the. PSA to our boat rides than another five I was driving. When I got there, they welcomed me with open arms to be honest of is very grateful on the showed me where the field was. It was an awful day raining. Looking at this field and my heart just sank because I salute this. I'm going to be here for hours. You know I'll be lucky if I find him. So we drove into the field and there's all these little lambs lying around and none of them looked like my norman. But I noticed there was a little stuff at climb Lang by itself with the little tag on the, I tend to use the oil just try this one. So I asked the former to stop and. And he was about twenty meters away lying on I, just stepped out the passenger side of the car and he just let two feet. A have a pink castle. I wear on the Croft every day when when I was feeding him and keeping him company. So he probably would have recognized the hat. So he came running to me like a bullet I just couldn't believe it a night. Just crouch down on the gave him a big hug. Oh, was crying most overwhelms. Surprised that we manage to get to quickly, how did how did the other farmer reactionist saw this reunion? used the woods himself. He was astonished out. She said to me lots astonishing LAS. If you ever write your memoirs, you'll have to put that in because that is simply astonishing. Do you think that made Norman so special. It was the the the bond that you had. Because you've obviously raised a lot of animals STA turned into food and so. What is it about this one? Do you think? He was just very affectionate. He wasn't simply crude motivated, and he actually generally loved my company. I love this company to House Norman Binns Seger at home. He's been great. He's been getting a lot of attention as you can imagine. So yeah, he's. He's settled buck straightaway. He's behaving like a little spoilt. Is is all. You learn lessons in life and I I just won't let my head will my from now on. I, think the selling of alarms on cubs is is has always been a struggle for me and I don't want that to change in no, because I would never get complacent about them. You know on this occasion I, it was the right thing for me and probably would have traveled to the to get who had a great story. Melanie. Thank you so much. You're very welcome. Thanks to the interest. Good night. Thanks, bye-bye. From archives that was Carol speaking with. Melanie. McLean of Benbecula. Scotland in October twenty. Nineteen. I'm Keith Macarthur. Unlocking Bryson's brain is a podcast about my son. The rare disease that keeps him from walking or talking embraces perfect has life is really hard and our families search for a cure. Oh my gosh. Maybe science is ready for this. It's part memoir part medical mystery. We can do just about anything modifying DNA heart in my throat. is controversial unlocking. BRYSON's brain subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. The. Wrong From you. Use One small man. Joined wheel. I, wish to say official that I'm wrongfully right now. Uncover season. Seven. Dead. Wrong. killed pit bull, he maybe not. Available on CBC listen and wherever, you get your podcasts. In Two, thousand twenty were used to thinking of John. Lewis as an old man, a wise man, a seasoned lawmaker. But in his eulogy for the late Congressman Today former US President Barack. Obama. Reminded mourners that. So much of what John Lewis did. He did as an astonishingly young person, just a teenager when he first heard Dr Martin, Luther King Preach a college student when he spearheaded the Nashville, sit ins of the nineteen sixties in the first of the Freedom Rides and only twenty five years old when he was asked to leave the civil rights march from Selma to Montgomery. Alabama. In his forty minutes at the podium today at Lewis's funeral Bronco Bama. Those early achievements at length, and he also pointed out the John. Lewis, was a man who never stopped striving for better, and then Americans shouldn't either. You always saw the best in us. Never gave up. And never stopped speaking out because he saw the best in us. He believed in us. Even when we didn't believe in ourselves. And? There's a congressman didn't arrest. He kept getting themselves arrested. An. No Man. He didn't sit out. Any fight. Set in all night long on the floor of the United. States capitol. I know his staff was stressed. But the testing of his faith produce perseverance. He knew. That the march is not over. The race is not yet one that we had not yet reached that blessed destination. Where we are judged by the content of our character. He knew from his own life that progress is fragile. That we have to be vigilant against. The darker currents of this country's history. Of our own history. With their whirlpools, violence and hatred and despair, the can always rise again. Bull Connor. May Be. Gone. But today we witnessed with our own eyes, police officers kneeling on the next. Of black-americans. George Wallace may go. But? We can witness. Our federal government sending agents to use tear gas and batons against peaceful demonstrators. We may no longer have to. Guess the number Jelly beans in a jar in order to cast a ballot. But even as we sit here. There are those in power who are doing their darndest. To discourage people from voting. By closing polling locations and targeting minorities and students with restrictive ID long and attacking our voting rights with surgical precision. Even undermining the postal service in the run-up collection. That's going to be dependent on mail in ballots. So people don't get sick. Part of Barack Obama's eulogy for US Congressman John Lewis delivered earlier today, one of his most political speeches in recent memory and one worth hearing in its entirety. Also worth taking in are some of the congressman's own final words from an essay written shortly before his death and published today in the New York Times it. Mr Lewis writes quote though I may not be here with you. I urge you to answer the highest calling of your heart and stand up for what you truly believe in my life I have done all I can to demonstrate that the way of peace. The way of love and nonviolence is the more excellent way. Now, it is your turn to let freedom. Ring Unquote. John Lewis died earlier this month in Atlanta Georgia. He was eighty years old. For months covid nineteen kept Mary Daniel separated from her husband after his Florida nursing home band visitors before the pandemic Ms. Daniel would visit daily cherishing the time with her husband Steve who has early onset Alzheimer's, and so when the facility closed its doors, she employed various tactics to try to visit him in the end. However, it was being employed by the facility that got her in the door earlier. This month Ms Daniel began work as a part time dishwasher at the home, we reached Mary Daniel in Jacksonville Florida. Miss Daniel. We've caught you just before you begin your shift, the new GIG. going. Is going very well. I'm I'm doing there in about thirty minutes and I'll be washing the dinner dishes tonight. Take us back to March when the home stopped allowing visitors? How worried were you about not being able to visit your husband Steve. I was extremely worried. I've visited him every single day. I. Went in after work and ate dinner with them. We went to his room I got ready for bed changed in the short to the t shirt, and we would lie in bed every single night and watch television until he drifted off, does not have the ability to understand the virus or why I'm not there. So I was extremely worried about him being confused, being lonely and really really. Concerned that it would lead to a decline in his physical and mental state. And when you realize that this pandemic wasn't going to be over in a couple of weeks. What did you do? I immediately reached out to the facility itself. Okay. What what? What's The answer here, I've got to do something I've got to get joined. There has to be away can volunteer. Can I get a job? I'm just throwing everything at them and they say, let's just sit tight. You know this isn't GonNa last long we don't know what to expect. Let's give it a little bit more time so I tried to be patient and as time went on days, turn to weeks and weeks turn to months. I started to get a little bit more vocal about coming up with some alternatives because this was not working for. Steve. I'm or for the other residents in his facility, what about video calls or waving through windows? Were you able to do any of that? We tried both of those and we would do facetime, but he talks quite a bit, but is not able to articulate anything. So you can't understand what he's saying. So having a phone conversation or video call was just confusing to him, we did to window visits but he cried the entire time. So I made up my mind that I was just not going to do that anymore. It was an incredibly difficult decision to make a wife that I would rather my husband, not see me or MEC- him because it's just too painful and he just cannot understand what the world's going on here. and. So how did you feel when you finally got this call from the nursing home offering you the dishwashing job? I couldn't believe it when they called completely out of the blue, they had seen the story on the news on with me trying to get to the governor trying to come up with a solution and they said. We have a solution. We have a part time job if you're interested and I said I`am and they said it's a dishwasher and I said I'll take it dishwashing. It is I do it two days a week I, go in for the dinner dishes. So I'll work like tonight I'll work a couple of hours and then I get to go spend a couple of hours with him. What was that first visit like after that first shift washing dishes when you finally got to. To See. Steve for the first time. What was that moment like I was so worried that he wasn't GonNa remember me that he wouldn't recognize me and when I opened up his door to his room and he had his back to many turned around. He did not know that I was in the building. I don't tell him that I'm there because he he does not understand that I'm washing dishes. So when he turned around and sold me the first thing he said was Mary. And I knew that I had gotten back to only been telling. So we hugged. Huge. Hug, we both cried. And then we settled into our routine in his room getting ready for bed and settling in watching a little TV together. Obviously, the homes are doing this to protect the people who live there. They're. They're not trying to really keep families away. How worried are you about cove it and his safety? I. Of course, it's a concern and I absolutely understand that this being done with best of intentions. The problem is is that we are isolating these people to save them, but the isolation is going to kill them too. They are dying by themselves and I. Think. That's incredibly cool. I promise Steve You seven years ago when he was diagnosed at the age of fifty nine that I would be his side for the rest of his life that I would walk this walk with him and I would hold his hand every step of the way, and I didn't do that for a hundred and fourteen days and I was terrified that when I did get back to him, it would be. Be Too late for him to know me and to know my love, and so I am working very, very hard to come up with a compromise because there are ways for us to get to them safely. We don't want I mean it's why I just took a coca test literally five minutes ago. I'm sitting in the parking. Lot of my brother-in-law's medical practice to get the rapid test results. Before I, go to work today, I do not want to bring it into his facility that would be absolutely devastating. But there's ways that we can do this with outdoor visits with cleanroom visit. There's a program called essential caregiver designation that's working in two states right now, there's got to be a better way because this is going to cause immense collateral damage. The truth is the viruses getting it because people are having to come in. So we know it's not working one hundred percent. So if we can go about other ways just to get to them, get that presents to them. Dementia patients need love and they need touch. They need the presence of other people or their brain just is much quicker than it would normally would. So we're just pushing for there has to be a better way. So you're about to head into wash the dishes, and then you'll be able to see Steve. Given those one hundred and fourteen days that you couldn't see him. How much does this time mean to the both of you? It absolutely precious. He has really settled in and gotten used to me coming back. I'm only there two days a week, but it's enough to him. Go that I'm there and that I will be back. So it's just absolutely precious for me to be able to touch him to comfort him to lay down beside and he puts his head on my shoulder and seeing him relax and settle in with me is the best reward. I'm not washing dishes for the money. I'm washing dishes for that. Well. Enjoy your visit and thank you for telling us about it. Thank you so much. Good. Bye. Bye. Bye. Mary Daniel is now a part time dishwasher at her husband's Steve's nursing home a job she took. So she could visit him. We reached Ms Daniel in Jacksonville Florida. Every year around this time, Humpback. Whales. Migrate. From. Hawaii. To the cold waters of Alaska. But this year something unheard of happened when they reached their destination, they could hear themselves because of Covid, nineteen travel restrictions. There are hardly any tourists. So the waters are quiet the horns and hums of motorized boats have left the soundscape, which is important because Wales experience the world through sound and for years they've made their long migration through the constant background noise of boats. Christine Gabriel has been monitoring the whales for the last thirty years at Glacier, Bay National Park. She feels this summer has been something special. We reached MS Gabriel in. Glacier Bay. Christine, what are you finding out there on the waters since? The pandemic and the shutdown. Well. Fortunately, we've been able to continue our long-term study of Humpback Whales because we just go out solo on a small boat, and what we do is identify individual whales and basically we use that information to captured long-term histories of individuals. We count the number of the animals and we also monitoring their reproductive rate. And On my first survey out on the water, I was very grateful to be out there because the rest of the world has been so abnormal during the pandemic that it was kind of a little taste of. out there in nature, and my first day was remarkable actually because I saw three mother calf pairs right off the bat, and that was really unusual for an early season survey. And I'm really glad to say that as the summer has continued, we've actually seen sixteen mother calf pairs so far this year, which is a huge improvement. Over recent years. So what does that tell you? Well our population had gone through some really rough times with the Northeast Pacific Marine heatwave that struck basically most of the North Pacific in Twenty, thirteen, twenty sixteen, and that had a really. Negative effect on a lot of marine life including sea birds, as well as marine mammals and humpback whales, and in those years, we're actually seeing we had one year with. No cavs, one calf to cavs over the years. Our our average had been nine cavs per year. And so it's really reassuring to see that number come back up this year I. Think what it means is the feeding conditions have improved and that's a really good thing. What about the noise levels? How much quieter is it out there? So as soon as it became clear that the Alaska tourism season was going to be much reduced because of the pandemic. I made it my goal to make sure that we would be able to listen underwater and document what that changes and also made plans to collaborate with others to study what difference that would make to whale communication patterns and what have you found. Well. Previously, what we have had found about well, communication is that Kinda like you and I. If we were standing by a roadside trying to have a conversation when there's noise in the background, the whales do a couple of things. One is that they would vocalise louder Sometimes, they might repeat themselves. They might shift frequencies so that they could avoid the noise, but they're they're basically pretty adept at adapting to a noisy environment. So what we're wondering about this year when it's so quiet is whether that pattern will change whether those bouts of communication that they have with one, another are longer or more complex or different in some fundamental way. This quiet year has given us a really unique opportunity to study undisturbed natural communication. Yeah. Undisturbed makes me think. It must be so stressful for those animals. We hear about that all the time that it's so stressful to have this noise and and the interference in their in their communication in their daily lives. There are researchers who are going to be studying the stress hormone levels in this quiet year and compared to other times, and that'll be really interesting to see what those results are. Yeah, I think in the quiet. The whales are actually able to take up more physical space as well as acoustic space. So, if these animals are using sound to communicate with others. There used to their sounds being able to travel a certain distance. But when there's so much background, noise that really shrinks their world to a much smaller space over which they can communicate with others or listen passively for things like predators or. Other things like that. What kind of effect will this have on Wales? Do you think them them having a quieter environment and being able to use more space as you say? Yeah I think it'll be really beneficial for them to have this quiet summer particularly because we have so many mother calf pairs this year I think the females are in fact, I've seen it. the females are able to kind of leave their calf off by itself for a while, the mother can go off and feed undisturbed by the calf, as well as by other vessels and just kind of get back into good physical condition. So I think it's just more relaxing, less stressful for them. The feeding conditions however are really the most important thing that's going to contribute to the population health. What does this kind of work that you're able to do at this time? What kind of a an opportunity does it provide for your research? Well, it's really at once in a lifetime of. To to study natural, well, communication in an undisturbed state. The hope is that what we can learn about well communication in this quiet time, we'll. We'll help us develop ways to protect whales into the future. I mean studying the underwater sound environment is important because it helps us see the world, the way the whales do, but once we do that the better we can understand what their needs are. The more. We can develop ways to to protect that underwater sound environment. This is your thirty, th summer monitoring the whales. How Is it for you. This year. You you talk about it being a once. In a lifetime experience. Tell me what that's like. Personally. Well many days when I go out on the water, I actually don't see any other vessels or just few, and that's a really different experience I did just come off of a ten day kayak trip and Glacier Bay just for a vacation on a lot of the days, we saw no other human beings at all and on some of the islands we camped on on our way down the bay. there would be whales very close to shore and just hour after hour feeding and. you know, resting and socializing and breaching. It was really quite fantastic. Especially being there as a silent observer you know, and that's spoken as someone who's been studying these. Creatures for thirty years. yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely going to be beneficial for the whales to have some quiet. What do you hope comes out of this? What I hope is that the research that we do to understand wail communication patterns better will be able to contribute to ways that we can conserve underwater sound environment. And accommodate the human presence. In that environment over the long term. humans in Wales are going to be co existing on the oceans in definitely in the future. So we need all the tools. We can get to really make that relationship work over the long term. Well. We wish you all the luck in the world without research. Thanks for telling. US. About, it. All right. Thank you for having me. Goodbye. By. Christine Gabriel is a wildlife biologist at Glacier Bay National Park in Alaska. That's where we reached her. Just about everyone seems to agree that Rena Saba Yama made one of the UK's best albums of the past year. The BBC Rave that it's wild collision of pop opera, House music and hair metal manages to spend the artists insights about racism alien nation internalized shame into pop gold, calling it both beautiful and colossally catchy Elton. John, also really really liked it. Rena soya was born in. Japan. Then moved to England, as a young child, she's lived there ever since, but according to the rules of the biggest music awards, she's not British enough. She recently found out. She's ineligible for the Mercury Prize and the Brit awards because she doesn't have British citizenship having retained her Japanese passport. The fact that she lives and works in the UK grew up there and has permanent residency doesn't count. Now, if she were in a band, the math would be different. Only thirty percent of the members of a band have to be officially British or Irish to qualify. 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National Parks - Fire and Ice | 6

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National Parks - Fire and Ice | 6

"Maginness early evening on may twenty ninth eighteen sixty seven. You sit at a table in tavern in Raleigh, North Carolina room is mingle of townspeople northern union soldiers. You are one of the ladder a soldier under the command of Major General. Daniel sickles sent to the south to help keep order during reconstruction. You're waiting for your cousin, Edgar who's gone to the bar, get drinks at your lips locally, and you've made a point of getting drinks with him each month doing your part to mend fences. You're wrapping up your service soon though. So this will be one of your last meetings. He comes back from the bar slams drinks down on the table. The bartenders name was Seward. Can you believe it just like that idiot in Washington, Amy man, all over again Seward. What are you talking about? Seward who don't you read the papers, William Seward, secretary of state that chowder brain paid the Russian government, seven million two hundred thousand dollars for a frozen wasteland up north Alaska. The name stirs your memory? Yeah. You've heard about this back in April. You read secretary Seward made some treaty with the Russian government and the Senate approved a little while later Seward's icebox. Exactly. We've been scraping along down here since the war and those porridge brain Yankees, though. Offense don't take their pissing away money on big tracks of nothing. They ought to be spending it down here, helping the south, get back on its feet while there's plenty of northerners who agree with you, but nothing I don't know about that Alaska's got polar bears, right. Edgar laughs grimly. President Johnson was born here. Maybe he'll have the could sense of veto this lunacy. As he both sip your beers, a man on the bench. Next you leans over pardon me. I couldn't help overhearing thought you care to see today's paper. He slides a newspaper across the table toward you there in a banner headline. You see it yesterday. Johnson formally ratified the purchase and your hits the table. Fist dammit last not even connected to the United States. It's up in Canadian territory. Well, it's ours. Now you scan the article for the number. You're looking for all five hundred eighty six, four hundred twelve square miles of it. Half a million square miles of what walruses first traders probably to smell you be allowed back on their boats to Russia. The man next trumps my cousin knows someone who did some trapping up there while he said it was the most beautiful territory he'd ever seen while Barron, beautiful gods. Entry called your ears prick up. Edgar isn't impressed. No, thank you. Give me a southern winter any day. I don't know. You say a wide open frontier. Different climate sounds like an adventure. Are you crazy? Well, I'll be done with the army and a couple of months. Don't suppose you wanna come explore Alaska with me some polar bears person and freeze to death, not on your life. It's all pretty much ingest at the moment, but the name stays with you, though. Alaska. The idea of distant wasteland isn't normally something that fills you with excitement. But as you finish your term in the army, you can't get it out of your head who knows what's up their cheap land game oil gold for all. You know, this could be the best idea since Louisiana purchase, or is it as your cousin things and expensive disaster. From wondering, I'm Lindsey, Graham, and this is American history tellers our history, your story. In this episode, we'll see how quick land purchase ten years after the civil war eventually leads to the largest expansion of national parks and US history before eighteen sixty seven. Alaska was an undeveloped piece of land owned by the Russian empire. It was mostly populated by for traders, Russian Orthodox missionaries and the indigenous people. The missionaries were trying to convert while the Russians light having an overseas colony, they had trouble making a go of it. Frozen land wasn't good for forming, and the distance from Saint Petersburg may defense and communication difficult. And so after Russia lost the Crimean war in eighteen fifty, six began looking for a way to sell the territory to raise some cash Russia. I approached the United States about a sale under president, James Buchanan, but the outbreak of the civil war delayed discussions. But after the war secretary of State, William Seward jumped at the chance to renew negotiations. Most of the nation was perplexed though this was less. Than two years after the civil war had ended, much of the country was still getting back on its feet, spending money on distant frozen wasteland that couldn't support farming, didn't make sense to most people, but for Seward the deal was a steel to him. Alaska represented a vast array of possibilities. It could serve as a significant port of future trade with China and Japan and it expanded American power on the global stage. Alaska would be a colony similar to those owned by other world powers who strategic location could help the US control the Pacific. And he was about to get it all for only two cents acre that reasoning didn't catch on though. The purchase was ridiculed in congress and newspapers as Seward's folly. Seward's icebox and wall Russia. A Russian tundra fit only for walruses, but on April ninth eighteen sixty seven. The Senate ratified the treaty between the United States and the Russian empire and on may twenty eighth president Johnson signed it in October. The Russian flag was lowered, and an American one was raised in its place. Alaska belong to the United States, but the value of the purchase wouldn't be understood and Seward's lifetime. It would take decades for William Seward to finally vindicated in the eyes of the world. In the latter part of the nineteenth century, some Americans began exploring Alaska for the first time. One of those men was John Muir in eighteen seventy nine long before his falling out with Gifford Pinchot oh, or the battle over hetch hetchy and only four years after James Hutchings was victim from his hotel in the seventy valley, your ventured north to what eventually became glacier, national park. He wrote about his adventure in his book travels in Alaska. He wrote to the lover of pure wildness. Alaska is one of the most wonderful countries in the world. It seems as if surely we must at length reach the very paradise of the poets, the abode of the blessed. MIR had come to the Alaska territory in hopes of studying it's landscape. He took particular interest in its glaciers. He travelled to parts of the region never before seen by white men in a canoe, paddle by toyah Tae, a chief, but one especially stormy day. His native guides decided to stay in camp. Muir determined to go on by himself. Braving the elements near wrote, pushing on through rain and mud and sludgy snow crossing many Brown boulder choke Torrens waiting jumping wallowing and snow up to my shoulders was mountaineering of the most trying kind all the landscape was smothered and clouds. And I began to fear that as wide views were concerned, I climbed in vain, but at length the clouds lifted a little and beneath their gray fringes. I saw Burg filled expanse of the bay and the feet of the mountains that stand about it and the imposing fronts of five, huge glaciers. The nearest being immediately beneath me. This was my first general view of glacier bay dim, dreary, mysterious. Mere stayed on the peak. Another couple of hours sketching the glaciers in his notebook with numb fingers. When you return to camp at night, he was satisfied with his day's work, but Mears desire to learn about the glaciers was unsettling to his native guides when told MIR had gone out seeking knowledge, she's Toyata replied, your must be a witch to seek knowledge such places this in such miserable weather. That wouldn't be Muir's last trip to glacier bay. He returned twenty years later with more white men seeking knowledge on a scientific expedition organized by wealthy railroad magnet e h Harriman. One of the other men on the trip was George bird Grinnell publisher of field and stream magazine. He and others were part of the Harriman expedition of eighteen ninety nine bringing together. Twenty-three scientists and three artists on a two month, long journey aboard, a luxury steamship to explore Alaska's coastal waters. The cruise covered nine thousand miles and included trips of short, visit eskimo settlements hunt and collect samples of insects plants and fossils. The explorers visit of all k- no shot a bear map, glaciers and discovered a fjord fifteen miles long. The trick photographer. Edward. Curtis took over five thousand images. Grenell was uneasy about what their trip and others like it would mean for the native peoples living in Alaska. He confided to Curtis, white men, uncontrolled and uncontrollable already swarm over. The last can cost in short time, they will ruin and disperse the wholesome hearty Mary people whom we saw at port Clarence and Plummer bay, and those white men did come. The end of the nineteenth century brought more adventures along with miners and businessmen promoting the expansion and development of the region. And next came, the hotels businesses and railroads. Alaska attracted in specially independent and self reliant breed of people, but as their numbers grew so too, did the prospect that development would irrevocably alter the landscape in nineteen ten president. William Howard Taft us teddy Roosevelt's antiquities act take the first step towards preservation in Alaska. He created sitka national monument. A site meant to commemorate the battle between invading Russian traders and the indigenous plant people more than a century. Earlier two years later, congress passed the second organic act formally establishing Alaska as an official US territory and creating an elected legislature for the region, but with Alaska's new legal status, Kim growing concern about the fate of its natural features. One of the most persistent voices was Charles Sheldon. Sheldon was a progressive hunter naturalist in the vein of teddy Roosevelt. He too was a member of the Boone and Crockett club and like Roosevelt. He combined a love of hunting with a sincere desire to protect wildlife. He was also a railroad and mining millionaire by age thirty eight. He had retired to pursue his favorite hobby studying big mountain. Sheep, Sheldon was a scientist at heart and his concern for the North American doll sheep drove him to Alaska in nineteen. Oh six. It was there that he first encountered the highest peak in North America, a mountain native people referred to as Denali. The name had been clips more than a decade. Earlier when gold prospector dubbed the formation mount McKinley in an effort to support his favorite candidates presidential campaign, the following summer Sheldon returned and spent a year observing the sheep and other wildlife. He was concerned that development from the impending railroad over hunting would destroy the region for wildlife that winter in his diary. He I wrote about the idea for Denali national park that could function as a game, preserve and tourist destination Sheldon return to New York determined to make his vision a reality, but you'd need some help. He would need the Boone and Crockett club. Imagine it's January nineteen thousand nine. You're in a ballroom at the Boone and Crockett club's annual dinner. You spot Charles Sheldon, making his way back to the table as he passes you Clapham on the back. Great speech. Well, done, Charles. Thank you figured star close to home. If I can't convince you all, I can't convince anyone takes a c. luckily people seem to have enjoyed it. So will you support the park then you weren't expecting to be put on the spot? Oh, I suppose so. I'm sure the club will at any rate you don't sound very convinced that doesn't raise much confidence. I suppose it all seems just very far away Alaska that he's the club has so many pressing concerns here. You know, I understand and I felt the same way until I went there. There are so many worthy priorities down here. I'm telling you there's no place like this I've ever seen, but I don't have the same mania for sheep that you do Charles. All right, fair enough. But truthfully, it's glorious. You've never seen him out like Denali, but market hunters will destroy the whole area. We don't act fast when I was in Alaska. This last time I met some of these men in the camp. They'd fed half the game. They shot to their dogs before the ever took it to Fairbanks for sale, dear God, that's a horrible waste. Yeah, there's no place for that kind of thing among responsible sportsmen and it's just gonna get worse. Once the railroad Bill, they'll be able to zip in and out and then they'll have the workers to feed to. He sighs shakes his head. I'm convinced a game preserve is the only answer his passion is bringing you around, but there's one problem even if the club throws its weight at this and it probably will Teddy's on his way out Sheldon grimaces don't remind me how do you plan to bring Taff round your mission, Sheldon takes a sip of his drink. Well, James, I'm discovering the conservation means playing the long game. And luckily I have time. It was a long game. Sheldon would have to wait another eight years before congress passed a Bill to create a national park. In the meantime, he lobbied influential people for support including a newly appointed assistant to the secretary of the interior. Stephen Mathur Mathur had just stepped into his role of unofficially supervising the parks. The national park system hadn't yet been created. He was busy trying to grow Yosemite, sequoia and Rocky Mountain, national parks and to establish the Grand Canyon. But Mathur eventually came around possibly under the influence of his assistant Horace Albright and lend Sheldon support eventually in February nineteen. Seventeen, Sheldon. Got his wish congress passed a Bill, establishing mount McKinley, national park Sheldon who had moved to Washington from his home in Vermont for a year to help shepherd. The Bill through congress was given the honour of presenting it to Wilson, but the president had other things on his mind including his upcoming second term. Term and the looming involvement of the United States in World War One Sheldon showed up every day expectant than frustrated that the president hadn't yet signed the Bill after week shell them took a day off and the next day he received a hearty congratulations from Horace. Albright in his absence. Wilson had finally signed the Bill and Sheldon was crushed. He'd missed it. Alright, remembered later, he kicked himself the rest of his life that that was the one day. He didn't go up there. Sheldon had one other regret. He had hoped. Congress would follow his recommendation to use the historic native name for the mountain Denali which means the great one in his nineteen thirty memoir the wilderness of Denali. Sheldon would later write the unions who have lived for countless generations in the presence of these colossal mountains have given them names that are both you phone and appropriate. Can it be denied that the names they gave to the most imposing features of their country should be preserved? Can it be too late to make an exception to current Judy? Traffic rules and restore these beautiful names name so expressive of the mountains themselves. And so symbolic of the Indians who bestowed them, but congress didn't feel the same. The peak would be known as mount McKinley for nearly a century. More new parks soon, followed the following year cat. My national park was created seven years later, nineteen twenty five km glacier bay national monument in the coming years. 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It's apple music, and it's always uninterrupted. Almost one hundred years would pass after Seward's purchase before Alaska would gain statehood factors like the region's low population, and the high percentage of federally owned land seemed to make it unlikely that Alaska would ever become a state. The US government had also never properly addressed how to deal with land ownership claims from the Alaskan natives. But for many Alaskans living under territory status was something they embraced. It meant more freedom, less federal oversight, and in some cases, more money to be made and business hunting and mining. But following World War Two interest and statehood grew, many residents were tired. What they saw as Alaska's second class political status, and the indifference of the rest of the country inclusion in the union would give them fair representation booster industry in Connie and bring an influx of people. The Anchorage Daily Times began to push for statehood and president. Harry, Truman expressed his support as time, went on petitions for vote, came into play in nineteen Forty-six Alaskan. Citizens voted nearly three to two in favor of statehood over the next decade. Alaskan politicians began forming committees drafting resolutions for a formal state constitution on January third, nineteen. Fifty-nine president. Dwight D Eisenhower, signed an official proclamation, making Alaska the forty nine star on the flack. The Anchorage. Daily news ran. The headline I says your in now. The Alaska statehood act transferred. One hundred three million acres of the federally owned Alaska territory to the new state. It also included a clause seating, other lands to the native people who had historically inhabited them and still claim them, but with statehood came questions about how land should be used and about how best to balance the needs of development with the preservation of wilderness. Emotions ran high and mount McKinley. National park was ground zero in nineteen fifty. Seven construction had been completed on one hundred seventy miles of winding gravel road that ran all the way to the park engines for the first time, the Denali highway provided visitors with direct access to the park. It opened up a new world of tourism to the state and many residents. Politicians were excited soon discussions began for an all weather highway that would follow the route of the Alaska railroad connecting Anchorage Fairbanks, and the park. Some people wanted to pave the road through the park and bridge the glacial McKinley river one idea call for develop. In a large hotel on the banks of the wonder lake, where guess would be able to admire the lakes mirror like surface and the crest of mount McKinley from their windows, and they could refu- into gas station nearby. However, others were concerned about what development would do to the region as a letter to the editor in national parks magazine explained, we wish to be reassured the park service's not selling it soul to the public demand for easy comfort and amusement. Many conservationists wanted to land preserved as a place of study carefully balanced ecosystems. They felt mustn't be fiddled with as they had been another parks. Adolph Murray was one of these opponents. A park service biologist who had come to Alaska starting in the late thirties to study wolves, like George Melendez Wright, he concluded that wolves were essential to the ecosystem and urge the park service to stop killing them. Miri was inspired by Sheldon's original vision for the park, and he shared it. He wanted the sheep, caribou, wolves and moose that made their homes in mount McKinley park to endure. He opposed the hotel construction in Rhode plans. And in the end myrie mostly prevailed the park service abandoned plans for the hotel and stop paving the park road. After the first thirteen miles Mary's views were shared among environmentalists. Conservationists gourd f Olson wrote to myrie. The reason McKinley is such a wonderful game sanctuary is because there are no interior developments beyond those at Denali and headquarters start developing elsewhere, and the charm and wilderness will be gone in Alaska Olsen thought the park service had a unique opportunity the chance to do what he felt it should have done from the very beginning prevent all development within national park boundaries. By this point, the park service had nearly a half century experience under its belt and a growing list of lessons learned from parks in the lower forty-eight with Alaska. The organization began changing its approach to how parks had traditionally operated throughout the nineteen sixties. It worked to limit overuse of mount McKinley main park road by creating shuttle system. Defensely introduce road lottery for the fall off season, which only permitted a few hundred people out of thousands to use the road. The parks was making a conscious decision not to repeat the mistakes of the past. Hotels wouldn't mar beautiful landscapes bears wouldn't be fed. No dams would be built. Indigenous people would be allowed to continue living life as they had, but. When oil was discovered in nineteen sixty eight, the game changed commercial and industrial interests. Swarmed the state in nineteen seventy two. The department of the interior authorized drilling on the North Slope of Alaska near Prudhomme bay largest oilfield ever found, but it couldn't be reached by oil tankers. And so a year later as an oil crisis grip the country plans move forward for pipeline nineteen, seventy four construction began. Suddenly, a war was raging in Alaska eventually rolled over state lines and into the halls of congress. Environmentalists were adamantly opposed to a pipeline. They worried that it would melt permafrost and disrupt the migration patterns of caribou. They came together under the banner of the Alaska coalition, a collection of fifty environmental groups that represented over ten million Americans. It quickly became the largest grassroots conservation effort in US history and began lobbying politicians at both the local and federal levels and many politicians. Listened congress moved to act. By the mid nineteen seventies Morris mo- Udal democratic congressman from Arizona sponsored a built preserved one hundred ten million acres of federally owned land in Alaska udalls Bill passed. Overwhelmingly in the house. However, in the Senate Alaska Senator Mike reveal a democrat threatened to filibuster. If the Senate attempted vote, the Bill died that day on October, thirteenth nineteen Seventy-eight everyone including gravel suspected. What would happen next. Imagine it's December fourth nineteen Seventy-eight. You sit behind the counter of your shop. Great hunting and fishing supplies in Fairbanks, Alaska. Since your husband's grandfather started this shop forty years ago. His family has slowly built a reputation in the area. Some of the best hunting guides in the icy north you and your husband, Bo or proud of this. However, right now you're grinding your teeth any minute, but will be home from four day hunting trip with some rich businessmen from Texas. He's going to be furious when he hears the news. That's him. He looks happy, but he doesn't yet realize that his family business is on the line. Even Maggie. How'd it go, Honey, I'll tell you those. Longhorn businessman. Can't shoot a lick, but they fire enough around that. They end up hitting something eventually well back every year. So we can't complain too much. That's when he notices a strange, Tony, your voice, what is it Maggie? Oh, he did it. He actually did what who Carter. He signed over fifty six million acres of land into national monuments. He what president Carter, but the udall Bill died six weeks ago. The said in town hall, it wouldn't go through Carter, used some antiquities act, lock up the land where most of our prime hunting spots. I don't know what we're going to do. Washington can't tell us what our land should and shouldn't be frontiers, Mun hippies, but it's already done. He's not gonna. Listen, grabs the phone and starts dialing. We'll see about that. Those bloodsuckers in Washington gonna hear us whether they want to or not. And they did here six weeks after congress failed to pass the Udal built protect Alaskan land. President, Jimmy Carter decided the best move was to bypass congress by invoking the spirit of teddy Roosevelt and so on December first nineteen seventy eight Carter used the antiquities act preserve fifty six million acres of land, creating seventeen new national monuments that would join the national park system. It was the single largest national park designation ever made by a sitting president and doubled the size of the national park system overnight. The move followed an action two weeks earlier by Carter secretary of the interior cease Andrews temporarily protecting another fifty, four million acres of federal land from development together. The two parcels made up an area bigger than the state of California Carter explain his reasoning for the radical step in released from the White House because of the risks of immediate damage to these magnificent areas. I felt who is imperative to protect all of these lands. These areas. Contain resources of unequaled, scientific, historic, and cultural value, and includes some of the most spectacular scenery and wildlife. In the world he added in Alaska. We have a unique opportunity to balance the development of our vital resources required for continued economic growth with protection of our natural environment. We have the imagination and the will as a people to both develop our last great natural frontier and also preserve it's priceless beauty for our children and grandchildren. But the Alaskan people did not see Carter's actions as a bold move to protect the environment. They viewed it as an infringement of their basic rights as Americans. Alaskan politicians like Senator Ted Stevens and Representative. Don Young claimed the federal government was at war with their state and many of their constituents agreed one town pass this resolution, the city council of the city of eagle. Alaska does not advocate violence, but we can no more be responsible for the actions of an individual citizen. Then we can be for any animal when it is cornered protests and civil disobedience swept the state within days the Fairbanks post office was being circled by nearly two hundred people carrying signs to writing Carter and his administration with messages. Like when I grow up, I want to live in a democracy, not a dictatorship and antiquities act of a peanut brain on December eleventh. TV cameras rolled the protesters stuff to set a coveralls with strong and attached a photo of the president's face, strong enough by news and soaked it in lighter fluid, an angry crowd cheered as the effigy of the president was set ablaze to follow up on the protests sportsman groups organize the great Denali McKinley trespass participants aim to violate all twenty seven national monument regulations within two days by partaking in prohibited activities like target practice and skydiving attendance, estimates vary, but the demonstration attracted somewhere between one and three thousand people with guns and snowmobiles to- two days. After the trespass in the thick of winter Fairbanks, resident named Mike Hartman set up camp in front of the Fairbanks post office and announced a hunger strike. He promised to refuse food until president Carter and the congress repealed the ridiculous law or until my feet hands freeze keel over -partment ended his fast after twelve days. Alaskans weren't the only ones unhappy with Carter in nineteen eighty Americans frustrated with Iran hostage crisis and the state of the economy overwhelmingly voted him out of office electing president. Ronald Reagan in his place. The Republican party also took control of the US Senate. Suddenly the Lance Carter had set aside looked vulnerable. They were protected under the antiquated act, only so long as congress chose not to pass laws changing their purpose. Two weeks after the election Carter, the Alaskan coalition and their opponents came together on a compromise Bill to settle all outstanding land claim issues. The Alaska national interest lands conservation act signed by Carter on December. Second nineteen eighty provided various degrees of protection to more than one hundred four million acres today, the Bill remains the largest expansion of protected land in the history of the planet among other things created or added to thirteen national parks, sixteen. Life refugees to national forests and two national monuments and protected lands for subsistence used by Alaskan natives. It also officially changed the name of mount McKinley national park to Denali national park. The peak itself though wouldn't change his name till decades later. Even though the battle between president Carter Alaskan coalition, special interest groups in the Alaskan government had come to a close. The National Park Service was still left with the aftermath just because a compromise had been made on paper didn't mean that tension in the region gone away. If anything resentment began to fester and the National Park Service was going to have to deal with destructive even dangerous consequences. Since our founding in every generation in every field of business politics, sports and society. We've watched aghast as corruption, deceit and desire bring down heroes, titans, and those we thought we could trust in the aftermath were left with too many questions. How did this happen? Who's to blame American scandal? A new podcast from wondering, will answer those questions. We tell the stories of America's biggest candles the who, how and why to discover what happened, how they changed our country and what lessons we can learn subscribed to American scandal on apple podcasts or wherever you're listening to this right now. Imagine it's nineteen eighty five. In Rangel Alaska. You're driving back from the market with your new partner. Jamie, he's just arrived in the National Park Service here for he spent time down at the Grand Canyon, but one request for more Rangers Alaska came. He gladly answered the coal as you drive your truck down the icy road. He reaches back and pulls the chocolate bar from the grocery bag filled with supplies for the next month, how much longer to the station. It's about an hour's drive, so we should be there soon after MIT, how surprised by Kohl's wholeness, the cold of Alaska. You ever go to Seattle and say, realize it rains here. No, no. I mean the coldness of the people at the store, but we used to walk into diners near the Grand Canyon in uniform in offering me coffee on the house here, the butcher, the pharmacist, even the sixteen year old girl behind the counter looked at us like we were there steal something. This doesn't surprise you. Hit the nail on the head gas. Any of them did steal something. They think we stole their land ban them from hunting fishing drilling for oil, but they can't blame us for that. I was Washington stewing, wasn't it for four years ago, five five years, and they still blame you, smile at him at wake us, look. Suddenly slam on the brakes in the middle of the road stands on moose. He stares at you languidly totters forward into the woods and darkness. You have to understand Jamie. These are modern frontier people. They pride themselves on their independence when the government suddenly came in telling them what they could and couldn't do on their own land. They were pissed the things really went south with Doug Vadim. Doug Vaden. Yeah, a home center. Couple months ago. Vaden's land in with Scylla was flooded by the white river. When Vaden tried to divert the rivers flow, we had to stop. It really caused massive damage to property. Why did we stop him our service policy? You can't just change the course of a river. I was back in Cincinnati with family during all of that, but it did not go over well ever since then locals of turned on us. Jamie starts open his talk about her. I can deal with a couple of nasty Clair's here. And there you pause. He's young. And he's excited about his new post here in the icy north, you don't wanna scare him. Things happen badly. I won't sugarcoat forty kid. Glares might be the nicest reaction. You see for some time while back so and burned a cabin. You're strolling down south buddy. Mine Cessna was vandalized see those point two, three pieces of duct tape on the inside door, truck nose, covering bullet holes. Someone shot up my door while I wasn't in the truck. But their point was made an adventure into town that often any Jamie looks shaken, not trying to scare him. Just trying to give you God's honest facts, you need to be careful. These are good people. If we smile at them every day at the store, greet our neighbors, friends, they'll be hell of lot harder for them staying. Really believe that. I know it treat them with respect and they'll learn to respect you. We've made some mistakes, but so they and we'll get back to where we need to a, what's that he points up the road to your cabin and you see light through the trees. You don't like the feeling this when you make the turn to your parking spot. You see it. The ranger station is ablaze. It's going to be quite some time before things settled down Lasca. After the creation of the Alaska national interest lands conservation act in nineteen eighty. One of the most disputed areas in the state was the newly created Rangel Saint Elias, national park initially after its establishment, there was little trouble between the park and locals. Unfortunately, the incident with home set are Doug Vaden caused in a rupture of anger from the public towards the park service and his protective mandates. One chicken resident j Cesky compared the situation of Alaskans to that of American colonists. The American revolution was fought against similar tyranny that congress and the federal government imposed on our docile as yet citizens. And I'm sure you've already felt that the National Park Service is unwelcome here, Tim Jacobson a minor who worked inside wrangles, Saint allies, vented Christ, the park service has four hundred years to drive you out and keep their same salary. As they find you and delay you and permit you to death. They. They have total power. They can keep you in court forever. They wanna close you down. They'll do it. I look at them as an adversary. The arsonist who burned down the Jack lake ranger station in Rangel was never caught. And tensions continued a year later. The parcel has made a proactive attempt to improve relations with locals many, Alaskans believe the agency was stripping them of the rights to access and use lands that were meant for them. The parts of tried to make it clear, this wasn't their intention. So in nineteen eighty six, the organization initiated outreach programs to allow locals better access to Park Rangers. The hope that better communication would improve the situation was well-founded. And for several years, things were better visitors to the state and parks increased bringing dollars into the pockets of local businesses. Some critics who had once denounced, the parks were quietly changing their tunes in nineteen eighty-seven. The wrangle Saint Elias division of the park service was invited to join the local tourism community. Local businesses even began promoting the Glenallen area, calling it the gateway to wrangle Saint Elias. Unfortunately, things to turn for the worse when. Another ranger station mysteriously burned down in nineteen Ninety-two. Many parts service employees feared this would on others with anti park sentiment. And tensions increase the following year as the park service worked to acquire Kennecott an early twentieth century copper mining town. Plenty of Alaskan saw grim irony in the park service working to carefully preserve a way of life. They seemed eager to get rid of Rick Kenyan publisher of the wrangle Saint Elias news wrote. It's hypocritical depar- service to spend millions of dollars, running miners out of business, then to turn around and manage Kennecott as ghost town park service superintendent, Karen Wade became a flash point for these kinds of hostilities, but she maintained the part service had no secret agenda. It's not my intention to create another Denali or to destroy the unique qualities of the communities and lifestyles that pre existed. The part she wrote in a letter to another resident, she called for constructive recommendations within an atmosphere that is free of retribution. But people like Kenyan didn't find ways defense of the park service persuasive. He argued, they say, they don't want another Denali here, but apparently they want something even worse now the Yellowstone or Yosemite. Way generated more backlash when she addressed congress in nineteen ninety four to request more funding for park operations. She seemed to criticize Alaskans who after nineteen eighty suddenly found their private land was now surrounded by national park. She said in this great northern kingdom arranger workforce deals with threats to park resource values generated by one million acres of dispersed in holdings upon which timbering hunting mining and commercial activities of all kinds take place in order to protect park resources. These Rangers need trained backups to ride shotgun while they patrol for poachers and contact locals with frontier mentality who scoff at rules and regulations. Alaskans were less than enthused by her comments. The copper river county journal called Wade's tone decidedly superior and said, she portrayed Alaskans as lawless Wade's common seem to reveal. She believed her main job was to keep local in holders, miners and hunters and check. The paper said in a letter to voice of the times will Sherman wrote while it's true that there aren't too many copies of Amy Vanderbilt's etiquette up here, I know of no park ranger who's ever been shot. I do however know of scores of Alaskans whose businesses have been ruined and whose rightful land property and access have been regulated out of their hands by Karen Wade and her predecessors is there no way that we can stop having to help pay the salaries of these people. They come from thousands of miles away. Tell us what our values should be complicate. Our ability to make an honest living tear apart communities, then have the temerity to wine the, we don't pay them enough. Wade, never returned to Alaska. After reactions to her testimony, she transferred became superintendent of great smoky mountains, national park in Tennessee. She was replaced that Tober by Jonathan Jarvis who previously been superintendent of craters of the moon national monument in Idaho. When he arrived Jarvis made it his first priority to improve relationships with the locals. Once again, he opened up communications and made a point of speaking with the media about welcoming input from the public. In his first interview, he said, I've got an open door if anyone wants to come down and talk to me about any of these issues or any other issues they can call me as things got better Jarvis insisted he wouldn't impose national park standards on local residents. We're starting to develop a relationship. He said, I want to continue with that. Have an open relationship. This park is a neighbor and can be a very good one Jarvis's tactics worked and resentment for the parks. Gradually started to dwindle his appr-. Coach set a course for his successors, though. Tensions over land use continue in Alaska today by the time Jarvis left in two thousand. The relationship with local residents had markedly improved. Jarvis eventually went on to serve as the eighteenth director of the entire National Park Service. The American national park system holds a unique place on the world stage. No other country can boast so many places of such very beauty. So open to the public Americans can walk into any national park in the country and proudly say to themselves that they own piece of these remarkable places writer and environmentalist Wallace stagner call them the best idea we've ever had absolutely American. Absolutely democratic. They reflect us at our best rather than our worst. But since their creation, the national parks have been like the country. They represent an experiment, we made mistakes. Many of them disastrous indigenous peoples were slaughtered. Animals were hunted to near extinction, valleys were flooded private interests battled and sometimes feed it the public good, the fight to balance preservation and conservation still continues today as our country has grown and changed. 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569 National Park Experiences; Northland; San Francisco Day Trips

Travel with Rick Steves

51:19 min | 1 year ago

569 National Park Experiences; Northland; San Francisco Day Trips

"Talk about a road trip quarter FOX and Matz exploring the borderline the US, and Canada from Atlantic to Pacific often had to look closely to tell which side you were on really. The only indication is that when you go through a town, there's Canadian flags flying onside and American flags flying on the other coming up. He tells us what he found along four thousand miles of the longest national border in the world. There's a lot. You can explore within a couple of hours of San Francisco, Kimberly, vodka shares some of her favorite day trips like the Santa Cruz beach. Boardwalk, it's so essentially California to me with the wooden boardwalk, and the old wooden roller coaster, and Becky Lomax reminds us why America's national parks are always worth another visit it's amazing to see the wildlife to watch wild animals out doing their Wild Thing. Let's get out there in the hour ahead. It's travel with Rick steves. We're heading for the border. Today's travel with Rick steves the Canadian border, whether been political streams recently. It's still the longest peaceful national border in the world. Porter FOX on that the borders, actually, not always. So we see toy dente fi, especially when it runs through lakes and rivers that keep flowing and changing, yet a trip along the border illustrate the Westwood pull of both nations, and what it means to have a good neighbor quarter FOX joined us for a closer look at the Northland in just a bit. We'll also check back with Kimberly, the volume of a hundred things to do in San Francisco before you die. We'll consider some of the great day trips you can enjoy within easy reach of the city. Let's open today's travel with Rick steves, looking at some of the memorable experiences, you can enjoy in America's national parks, writer and photographer. Becky Lomax is the daughter of a national park ranger. She was raised in mount Ranier and Olympic national parks. And now she lives next glacier, national park. She's written a detailed guide to all fifty nine of the USA national parks published by moon, Becky, welcome back. Thank you. You've written a book. It's a seven hundred page guide book covering. The national parks, let's just take a blitz around the country and talked about some of the most unforgettable experiences that you could have. And I'm just going to I've just was paging through your book. I'll just mentioned them and you can describe them for us, and we can kind of put our travel dreams into action here. You talk about watching the ice calve and glacier bay. Correct. Calving called. Yes. These are Tidewater glaciers, glaciers, come down and touch the water. Okay. And then as the glaciers pushing ice down it breaks off. That's the calving. Okay. And then you get these icebergs floating out there, the way to go. See them is via a cruise boat, so you take a cruise take a crew, and then you don't wanna get too close because when I was they made a big point of it. Don't be stupid and get too close with your little boat, because of freakishly big piece of ice can break. Create a little tidal wave. Exactly. You could be in the cold water. Exactly. And you can also there's kayak tours go up to see him and so forth. So. Bay and glacier, bay national. How about the famous one going Yellowstone in watching faithful? That's absolutely wonderful. Now, the old faith is it still faithful? Yeah. It's about ninety minutes. I'm heading in this winter. It's the best time to go. Because in summer, you'll be watching old faithful erupt with, you know, so thousand other people, you gotta wait ninety minutes went, yes. In winter you go in and you might be one of twenty people watching it. Yeah. I just in Iceland, and there's a place called geyser, and it's where the word geyser came from a fun. The guys are there goes every three or four minutes. Okay. And I got a chance to kind of study it and you don't want to blink because if you've waited, you know, if you waited for what eighty nine minutes and you pause or you look around and then more faithful goes, you gotta wait another eighty nine minutes. Right. So I learned at geyser in Iceland, that the water kind of billows up. Yes, and venit blows you look at the wall. And if it starts to build up, it's ready to burp. Yes. There's a little pre-action. That's have you noticed that? Oh, yeah. Faithful. Yeah. And it usually gets the crowd all ramped up with what's happening. It's happening. Kind of backs off a little bit and blows all you hear these laws go all the way round in your book. You talk about wildflowers in death valley that just looks beautiful. When death valley gets the right moisture that's when this will happen. Because people say, a common misperception is desert is just a, a vast nothingness with no Lance fans so much life high much. And when you get those right conditions all the sudden it's instant both hops. Okay. So wildflowers what month is that March, using their yes? You talked also about the longest cave system in the world. Crawling through that at mammoth, cave mammoth cave. Yes. Would do what is tours is a cluster phobic if you are. Right. So, but that, that would be one of the highlights in your bass, I've long dreamt about rafting down the Grand Canyon. And you spend that it's over two hundred miles long a lot of people raft a little bit of it. And then they have a quick exit other people do the whole thing, but that takes a lot of time, usually twenty one days if you do the full trip without a motor on the so you've got the idea to take three weeks to raft the whole thing, or you can boat, the whole thing with a motor. What's the pros and cons of doing it the traditional way without a motor or just motoring through? I would think yet to debate I wanna really raft and just do part of it. If I've only got a week or do I want to do the whole thing quickly with a motor? What are you doing with the motor? Those boats are really big. You'll hit the Rapids differently than you will with your in a small Dory, or a small raft. If you're into the thrills, you'll get much more bang for your buck on. The smaller. Okay. You're more intimate with total the Rapids. Yes. Is it more demanding physically is more dangerous? Is it lesson Joyal that way for some people? If you're, if you're tender foot, you might find it easier to take the motorboat. Exactly, you can still drag your toes in the water and have. Yeah. On you'll still see the beautiful cliffs and everything. One of the most beautiful things. You talk about in your guidebook is the rainforest in the whole river in the Olympic national park. Tell us a little bit about that experience. You know, it's a work of art over there. It really is. If got these ancient trees, beautiful cedars Maples, and they're all just dripping with Maas and ferns all over, and it's not a tropical rainforest, because most reinforcer tropical, this is one of the only temperate rainforest cracked, it looks like someplace where trolls and things should be Lord of the rings like that. And they do a great job of teaching. When you go, there, interpretive in the word all of Maas is a great one, you can go take that interpretive wok. So if you're interested in trees, of course, you wanna see the big ones in California, where would you go for your big tree? Thrills in California. Big tree, thrills would be in the redwoods, and seeing those would be sequoia and kings and the biggest. Three of all is acquire. And that's a very easy visit for anybody. That's basically a road trip, isn't it. Each just have short walks back to the trees. This is travel with Rick steves. We're talking with Becky Lomax. Her book is USA national parks, complete guide to all fifty nine parks, and we're just lifting through some of her favorite parks summer for favorite experiences. And one that I think you can just feel your enthusiasm for perks. When you read this book, hiking, the narrows insight with that looked so cool. Well, you gotta I want to get your feet wet. Yeah, we're boots. Or do you just get all you were tennis shoes? Just get your feet can get a little cut up on the rocks. So you're better off. If you can actually rent, some serious boots, not serious boots, but they're the river shoes made for walking really? And so basically, you're walking right up the water and the cliffs are right here. So the water is below your knees, generally along. Well, yeah can be you can make quite. Long or you can just go with you can do a couple months. Short turnaround combat in the same thing in Sicily. And it was an amazing experience different. That would be hike the narrows inside in. It's like in those old movies if you didn't want the bed guys following you. You cannot have tracks because you walk up the river exactly narrow is are the cliffs because it sounds just like a deer could jump from one to the other. You know, in some places those cliffs, do narrow in quite a couple meters across. Yes. And then you talk and this is great for looking at pre Columbian civilizations. You tour, the ancient cliff dwellings and Mesa Verde, those are amazing, totally amazing. Don't appreciate what was going on before Columbus discovered America, not just a few generation way before the fact that they survived and built their livelihood 's in these cliff palaces in the sides of cliffs, and they go down and climb in there and build. So a lot of people under appreciate. Pre-columbian. Civil-. Physicians and some of these parks are nothing but nature, but others are celebration of, of history. What are some other examples in the parks, where you can really celebrate the civilizations that were here before the arrival of Europeans? You know, a lot of the parks are trying to do more with bringing that to light. But I mentioned glacier, bay aren't there, prehistoric petroglyphs in southwest. Yeah. In several of the park's, they're like canyon lands. And arches they've got petroglyphs in highlight for anybody is watching fireflies eight great smokies national park there. That's just a certain period of time you got to be there, usually in June, and you got to get permit and they're called synchronous firefly's because they all light up at the same time. Oh, sounds so much fun. This is traveled Rick steves, or talking with Becky Lomax, about USA national parks. And that's the name of her book. You talk about something called Pirka texture, the great lodges in these parks, and one of my favorite national park experiences was in the paradise lodge at. Rear? Yes. And this is understand a work project during the great depression. Are there big fireplaces and this old school, Woody charm, great base to hike from are there, other park, lodges that become part of the joy of the experience? Yeah. Yellowstone's old faithful in glacier parks. Many glacier, hotel built by the railroad instead of a c c project. Yosemite has some nice places. Yes. The Alani there, you might be wise. And I'm sure in your book, you cover accommodations wise to make reservations in advance if you wanna stay in something other than forgettable motel you need to make reservations a year to thirteen months in advance for most. Is that right? Yes. Wow. Plant aheads talk also about eating because I find food tastes better. When you're in a park. But when you're spam and crackers on top of a mountain is gourmet like absolutely your favorite eating experience. What do you look forward to when you're hiking, and enjoying nature? You know, my favorite when I'm out hiking, and so forth. It's jerky and it's nuts rather than sitting down and eating some bail sandwich. I just liked being able to pop stuff in my mouth all day long. So you pack with that in mind, I do. And then chocolate. The I I'm sort of an picnic aficionado and I like to augment the experience by creating a great set. So I'm getting a bluff or a peak, and then I crack open whatever I've got. That's where you just marvel it. I didn't know crackers spam good. Taste an amazing. And that's the beautiful thing about nature, you get immersed in nature. New relies different things are, are more important than you realize, and different things are less important than you realize. This is travel with Rick steves. We've been talking with Becky Lomax. Her book is USA national parks, becky's. So clearly parks connect us with nature. And let's say you could use a friend who never been out of the city, somebody who never marveled at that mossy carpeting of trees, we talked about in the whole river valley and the Olympic national park, what national park experience. Would you share with this person's never been out of the city? I would want them to see vialed life to take them to something like Yellowstone or theater Roosevelt national park or. Everglades? It's amazing to watch wild animals out doing their Wild Thing, as and where we are the visitor. Exactly that kilo mex-, thanks so much for inspiring us to enjoy America's best idea the national parks. Thank you. You can hear our earlier national parks interview with Becky Lomax in our radio archives at Rick, steves dot com slash radio. She opens up program number five sixty from April twenty nineteen her website is Becky Lomax dot com. There's that wasn't miles of wilderness in a whole lot more, you can explore along the border between Canada and the United States Puerto pox reveals what he found next on travel with Rick. Steves. What lies over the US border in Canada, has never seemed, very foreign to me. Hi Emmerick Rick, I grew up loving view of the peace arch. When we drive up from Seattle, visit relatives in ban. Coober it celebrates the longest and friendliest border in the world porter FOX grew up at the other end of the border in Maine. He's recently explored the entire length of it to see what it tells us about our two nations porter describes what he calls America's forgotten border in his book Northland porter. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me. It is kind of forgotten border. I mean, forgotten in the sense that we sort of take it for granted. And nowadays, it's getting a little more attention as many people in our nation. Here are interested in tightening up border security, just how long is this border and is it actually the longest in the world? It sure is a few include the border up, Alaska's while it's close to fifty five hundred miles just the longest international. Border in the world. You know, even the lower forty-eight border contains the longest straight border in the world along the forty ninth parallel takes off from lake of the woods, and Minnesota ends up in Bellingham, Washington it's more than twice as long as our southern border and yet our southern border seems to get all the headlines and not only that it gets all of the funding from congress, and has many times more border agents close to nineteen thousand at this point compared to the northern borders just over two thousand two guard a line, that's, you know, well more than twice as long I would think part of that is just the economic reality Canadians have about the fame per capita income as we do here in the United States. Whereas there's a tenfold difference in average wealth, per person in the United States compared to south of the border, it's true. And there's a there's a lot more illegal immigrants trying to cross the border in the south, however much. Most of the entries come through ports of entry checkpoints hidden in vehicles, and with false documents and whatnot. What a lot of miles to protect either way on the north and the south when you're looking at the border in the north, you've traveled the whole thing. Can you actually see it? I know in the east, it's mostly water. Is it a physical border? What do you see when you see the border? I mean I call it the forgotten border because you, it's very hard to find the border in the north. I traveled most of it. And in the east a lot of it by canoe. It's in very remote parts of Maine state, New York for Mont New Hampshire than shoots across the Great Lakes for the five Great Lakes. And you know, in Maine any way, you know, spent weeks on those rivers, and they're literally are no monuments. There's no line. There's no signs that say, hey, don't cross here. The really the only indication is that when you go through a town, there's Canadian flags flying on. One side and American flags flying on the other. But for most of it, it just looks like a backcountry. River country woods you wrote about in Montana. There's the cut, which is a visible line of deforestation. Does that track the border? I it sure does. And it's it goes across the border. There's parts where it crosses the forty fifth through Vermont New Hampshire, New York, therefore, any forested section of the border has a twenty foot wide cut on it with foot wide cut twenty foot wide. Yeah, we're back in the eighteen hundreds these, these poor timber guy sent to go through with axes and chop down trees for close to fifteen hundred miles of forested border with that just like neighbors stakeout where their fence goes, so there's no question was there physically a canary from Washington DC to say, we need a twenty foot cut. So we know where the border is. That's exactly what it was the international border commission was developed, and they said, well to market through the forest this. What we're gonna do way back when they didn't even know where the border went serving techniques were very different. That was marked several times incorrectly several times. And even now the border strays up to nine hundred feet north or south of where. Vine original pay now. It is interesting. You mentioned a lot of the border in the east is waterways. The technical border will jig Jag depending on where how deep the water is because I guess the understanding is the deepest point in the lake or the river will be the border. Yeah, the deep watermark is officially the border and that's shifting constantly and lakes and rivers. And so that's partly why they don't market, but not marking it. And having it move makes it really difficult for fishermen freighters on the Great Lakes. And, and just people going out to recreationally, canoeing camping, you, you really don't know where you are half the time you're out there. There's lots of times somebody don't they don't know if they're in Canada or the United States. Now, you mentioned the longest straight line in the world along the forty-ninth parallel. That is quite remarkable to think of that lung of stretch words, just somebody said, that's the deal. Okay. You're Canada where America talk about the anomalies around there. I know north of Seattle, you've got point Roberts with just a, a little tip of land. Connected with Canada. But it happens to protrude south of the forty-ninth parallel, right? Yeah. Absolutely. And, you know, the street borders, very problematic. They're not many around the world. That's partly, why this one is so unique. It's not really a great idea to just kind of snap a chalk line across the map and say, all right. Here's where this goes. It's split native American tribes and half it. Splits towns and half mountain ranges in half. It's very problematic, where it splits, a watershed and half and rivers start in Canada flow into the US and go back into Canada with farms, all around, they're drawing from that stream and water rights extremely complicated and still fought over today. So, you know it was done in a very stressful time. And James Polk was president and they were trying to figure out Oregon territory and how to split it up after jointly living there for round hundred years. They finally said, listen, we have to finish this border here Polk was going for fifty four four. Eighty or fight, you might regard the slogan, fifty four. We'll gosh that's up near Alaska. Those that's the border that the US is fighting for an and British Canada was happy to say, okay, subtle on the forty-ninth and simultaneously, the Mexican border, you know, the war down, there was kind of raging, and it was just too much as this thing done. And there's towns that are split by the border, you mentioned towns in Maine that are in Maine and part in Quebec. There's towns that are split by the border. There's backyards that are split. There's a pulp factor in not a cake main that split in half. There's there talked about the tavern where you during prohibition, you could go in from America and you could sit in the back of the room and drink in Canada. There were taverns built on the border during prohibition for that purpose. They were taverns built on the river on a barge and they would float the barge over to the American shore, pick up people they'd floated back over to the Canadian shore they'd party on night. And then they go back and drop them off. Hours of the morning, we're traveling along the four thousand mile border between the lower forty-eight and Canada right now. And traveled Rick steves, our guest travel, writer, porter FOX on several trips. Over three years. Porter made his way from Maine, all the way to Washington state following the border. His book is called Northland a four thousand mile journey along America's forgotten border, and it tells visit ventures and the people he met along the way it's interesting that you talk about the border was ignoring tribal land. It was signaling water basins, and so on, and that can cause untold problems. It's remarkable. We've managed as long as we have without real conflict because of that, and my feeling when I travel is when you reach a border, it feels like a kind of no man's land between two tribes. And we don't really have that with our border Dewey. Yeah. I mean it's interesting when you get real close to that northern border. I did find a no-man's-land I found a place where American developers and. Businesses and whatnot kind of didn't see as much opportunity there because they had to stop at the border at a certain point and candidates, a little bit different ninety percent of the Canadian population lives within a hundred miles of their southern border. Ten percent of the American population lives with one hundred miles of the northern border and most of that is in Detroit in Bellingham, and other border cities. So it's very on the American side. Anyway, it kind of is a no man's land. And what I found who's interesting is covering lot of travel, I've kind of gone against the grain and tried to find places that people did not go and see what that's like I find a really unique experience. And this whole journey was like that. It was forgotten towns and forgotten, you know, million acre wildernesses that really saw very few people, and in Maine. And Minnesota's boundary waters glacier, national park. It was just these huge swath. House of wilderness and kind of old world living that America really had forgotten and had been left very pristine. Well, let's take this journey porter because it sounds fascinating and give us an overview started in Maine and went to Washington state. How'd you do the journey, I didn't separate trips and I started in west quality had in Maine, the easternmost point of the continental US, I took a canoe and went up the Saint Croix river which really marks kind of the first couple hundred miles of the US Canada border spent the night on these back country. Campsites sometimes in Canada. Sometimes in Maine, sometimes I didn't know where there's also no cell service on the border, so your maps don't work quite as so if you are traveling along the border, it sort of is no no-man's-land between two different countries. Self-services it truly is you, you lose service with your American provider and sometimes the Canadian provider picks up. Sometimes it doesn't, but I had no. Maps, I had no GPS that I through Maine and I grew up in Maine. And man, I never saw back country like this. I mean it was truly pitch. Black Dard no light pollution at night. No sound no people. Well, now you're in a six canoe and it's Tober right? And you. Very nice time to get started on a long journey. Not only did it get cold. There's a cold snap. When I took off, and it was early mid October and they got their first frost of the year, and it was a canoe lakes. Yeah. I'm in a canoe and starting to ice up. And while it was it just made everything a little bit more more intense. But after that, canoe trip I came back home and wrote up that section of the journey in the next next trip. I did. I took I was a passenger on a seven hundred forty foot freighter that left from Montreal and follow the border across for the Great Lakes and left me off and Thunder Bay up in on tarot couple of hundred miles north of Duluth, Minnesota freighter those a bulk or yes, it was carrying iron ore out. They have for travelers that they rented. Well, what they have is they have rooms for the crew. They had an owner's suite that I luckily was assigned to and. And they take passengers. The lakes are interesting ocean freighters actually will rent rooms, and you can purchase pointy four day passage, Indonesia. If you want because of security on the lake since nine eleven it's been very tight. They don't really do that. But they do have rooms for family for friends for owners investors. I told them about my project said, hey, that sounds interesting. We'd love to offer you passage and this was through the wait call the Sweetwater sees the body of lakes and canals water from river from New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, into the Great Lakes. Exactly. And, and I was following the kind of adventures of Samuel de Champlain, who started near west quality head that's really where the first French outpost in the new world was. And then he went up the Saint Lawrence and found his way into the Great Lakes. Our guest on travel with Rick steves is porter fuck. He writes about his discoveries London friendliest border in the world in his book Northland. Four thousand mile journey along America's forgotten border. It's now out in paperback Puertas also, the editor of the online literary travel magazine called nowhere. His website is order, FOX dot com. What's it like to actually sale as sort of a trip through the Great Lakes? It is very slow. It's very long really feels like you're on an ocean. When you look out the bridge window, you can't see land anywhere. It's just all water all around you. I grew up sailing off the coast of Maine, I was used to that. But certainly not used to that in the middle of North America. It was truly stunning and it was really easy to see how Champlain would have thought that he had discovered the northwest passage to China that he was looking for it. Certainly looked like the shore of an ocean when you enter Lake Ontario, and the same for every other leg. But of course you know, at the edge of every lake he'd nailed down and tastes the water and realize. There was no salt in it. And it was watering TD Sweetwater sees so I can just see him going. Is it salty it? Oh, oh he's best. I'm sure. Okay. Well, you survived that. And then came the boundary waters between Minnesota's Northland's and on Tero and pretty close to Thunder Bay, the kind of beginning of the boundary waters starts of the pigeon river and goes up into northern Minnesota and a chain of lakes and rivers that goes right along the border all the way to lake of the woods and the beginning of the northern plains. I did the boundary waters canoe area, which is a million acre wilderness area, that was a keystone of the wilderness, act and the US and is one of the most pristine and, and most protected wildernesses in the US you can't take any kind of mechanized craft in there. You can't even take a paddle boat into these legs in rivers, you can't fly an airplane below three thousand feet over this region. It is extremely pristine lake country and deep deep for. Forest. And you wrote very interestingly euro, if you're not on the water, you're in the woods. Yeah, that's there's not much in between. And so we would paddle from one lake to the next, and then we would Portage put the canoe on our shoulders and mortgage into the next one, we had a terrific guide, who had been an Arctic explorer, and, and really knew the history of, of the area very well. And we just paddled along the border for as it was. It was really stunning. And that was kind of the end of the, the water section of the border, and of the first third of it, and from there, I hit the road to follow the across the northern plains. And as I was crossing them. I heard on the radio, but the standing rock protests and had read about the soon nation as this terrific Northland tribe for hundreds of years. And, and so the next section was really focused on that history. And, and this was the demonstrations against the Dakota Access pipeline. Right. He absolutely. Yeah. Near cannonball, North Dakota and some huge Indian reservations along the that border areas and they're yeah, many a dozen or split by the border from east to west when I was in Maine. I was on the past mcquarry reservation that split in half. I spoke to the Suez to the black feta spoke to the lumpy and. What are your memories from just travelling in the reservations? That's a lot of miles on the border. It's very destitute, and it's not very populated destitute, meaning very sad, economy's very poor, not spiritually, spiritually, incredibly rich, and powerful and very independent, and really hopeful the people that I spoke with and didn't like to be characterized as destitute at all said, well, this is, you know, this is kind of the reality of where we are. But they've really been delta. Bad hand by Washington D C for the last couple hundred years, literally having treaties and deals promised to them just pulled out from under their feet time. And again, in the same thing happened at standing rock, as far as the constitution goes, it was a legal. What happened in the oil companies, prevailed what I saw what my takeaway was was this incredible sense of hope and the way that they're spared just could not be defeated. They're not going to be knock. It's down by this terrible decision that the judge handed down they just kept going, and, and honestly splintered off to every corner of North America and are fighting this fight against the big oil companies other pipelines in the tar sands oil fields and coal ports out in the coast of Washington. And so that movement is really just begun which, you know, in the face of that defeated standing rock was actually a very inspiring moment, and again, diving into the history of it in and seeing this massive territory that the zoo nation, controlled really quite efficiently, and, well, it makes up today, one fifth of the continental United States and, and that was the territory that they you know at the time traded away for peace. That is very advanced tribe as were as were many tribes in North America, you know, major cities in the midwest and native American civilizations. But of course that doesn't make it. Into the history books. Fucks takes us into the prairies and mountains of the country, as he shadows, the forty nineth parallel, along US, two from Montana, to Washington state. That's just ahead on travel with Rick speed. Then we head south for some of the great day-trips, you can take within easy reach of San Francisco porter. Fox's our guest right now and travel with Steve porter. Details his adventures along the US Canadian border in his latest book Northland. He's also the editor of the online literary travel magazine called nowhere. His website is quarter, FOX dot com. So part of tickets down the final section of your journey the medicine line following US route two from Montana, all the way to Washington. Yeah. So the medicine line is, is the forty ninth parallel just shoot straight outs of the Pacific, and I drove that section and kind of wandered back and forth from the border down into the Great Plains. And then and to. Eventually through Idaho and eastern Washington and up into the cascades. And you know really that was one of my favorite parts of the trip. It was on the opposite side of the country from where I grew up, and to be able to recount, how these border surveyors, you know, spent years traipsing across the plains through the cascades, climbing mountains that had never been climbed by white man before, and marking them and reading about, again, the date of American history, there in the history of Oregon territory. And how you know, the British and Americans were living there in at the same time by agreement then, suddenly, that ends and even before them, how Russian America stretched down the coast from last good onto San Francisco too much of this territory. I mean it was just against so much history that really builds from the eastern side of the border straight across to the west every hundred miles you cross your cover. Dering twenty years in time, it did grow that way from east to west and so- traveling at that way. I got to sort of bring the story up to present time in those in that last thousand miles of the trip kind of takes you through history of the westward movement of the United States. It does. Yeah. It'd be good to do this trip from Maine to Washington rather than the other way because it's in chronological order. Exactly. And that's that's why I did the trip in that direction. And I was writing about the sixteen hundreds in the seventeen hundreds and, and Maine. And by the time I was out in Washington, I was writing about the twentieth century. And, and you finish at another Indian reservation, constant reminder that they were people here before that border was drawn and they're living on reservations, and let a cases now the lemme reservation what was the end to point of your for thousand mile journey like you know, it was very serendipitous when I was at standing rock the one night, there was a big presentation there. It was the lemme. Tribe, and that was the one night. They were there. They happen to be driving. Totem pole that they had carved on lung island. And they were driving it to a protest out east someone. And so I just happened to be there and I listen to them, and I was just in thrall d- with everything that they had to say and when I got out to Washington, and I kinda finish the trip I was heading down towards Seattle and I saw the sign for Lumley islands. And the lemme reservation guy got gotta go. And I went, and I just by chance picked up a hitchhiker that studied painting an art with one of the totem pole. It was just all very naturally. Good way to trip. And we got a cap up this interview, just very quickly. Where did you have a wildlife? Encounter. Where did you meet some interesting animal home? My gosh saw some bears running across the road. Northward main, I had probably on the canoe trip on the Saint Croix in Maine, where one point the middle of the night had autre run between my feet into the river, and they were beavers that were coming up a little Eddy, right next to the campsite, just watching me. They weren't afraid of me at all. It's like they'd never seen a person before. And then what kind of patriotism, did you find on either side? Did you notice flags on one side more than the other with the facilities tidier on one side than the other? How could you draw any conclusions about candidate in America in that regard? I son equal number of flags on both sides of the border in the closer to the border line. I got the, the more flags there were. Canadians are very proud of their side of the border and Americans are as well. They also get along very well and their businesses and families and church. Congregations are interlaced all the way across the northern border, and they always have been right from day, one, the northern border was never meant to be a hard border. It was never meant to have a wall or have, you know, military style checkpoints. There's been cooperation between these two countries since before these two countries even existed but can that free flow survive in a postman eleven world or has taken a hit, and does that hurt the communities? It's taken a big hit, and it has been inhibited, greatly to the tune of around thirty billion dollars a year for American and Canadian businesses and certainly for people and families and hospitals sitting on one side and their doctors live on the other side of the border. Our to our three hour delays at that border line that really are not catching many criminals early immigrants or smugglers, because they all go through the back country. It's really just slowing down and, and really hurting that kind of international relationship at tragedy. I mean as Europe involves fewer and fewer border formalities and people can connect and share and team up. And in the United States, we have to have this security after nine eleven and there's a reality, there's four thousand miles of potential community that now has you write about how in the old days there was over one hundred crossings that were unmanned at night. Absolutely. And, and I mean to this day Canada's our number two trading partner number one oil importer. I mean, it is an incredibly huge part of the US economy. And again, the people living on both sides of the border are incredibly connected, and the way that. Washington is shaping policy for this northern border. It is nothing more than pure ignorance, there unaware of what the local situation is there because they haven't studied it. They're mimicking what they do on the south and they're putting it into the north, and they're two completely different borders, that need completely different policies, maybe rather than catering to the fears of their constituents if they would take a couple of weeks and travel along that border, they'd have a better understanding. I think that's a great idea porter FOX. Thanks for sharing your experience in your book Northland four thousand mile journey along America's forgotten border happy travels. Thanks so much. You'll find links to Puerto FOX's Northland book and articles he's written about his adventures in the notes for this week show. It's at Rick, steves dot com slash radio. There's a series of guidebooks called one hundred things to do before you die covering, lots of different cities in the US, even smaller ones a few weeks ago. One of their local authors helped us explorer, San Francisco beyond the usual tourist haunts another thing, bay area locals like to do is to explore the beautiful scenery, and attractions, within easy reach of the city on a day-trip or weekend getaway Kimberly Levada returns to travel with Rick steves, look at some of the experiences, you can have within easy reach of San Francisco Kimberly, welcome back. Thank you for having me. I'm just going to list some day trips that we'd consider visiting from San Francisco and get your take on them when we're when we're looking to spice up our visit to that great city if you're in San Francisco, you always hear the word suss Alito. What about sausalito show is, is great because it's even less than a day trip you go there for coffee, you could go there for lunch. It's just about a fifteen minute sale across from the ferry building. I happen to live. Sauce, alito. Now I just moved from San Francisco. It's this lovely town with restaurants and galleries and cafes along the water and it's really wonderful, and you get a great view. So it's sort of trendy and it's got seafood restaurants. And it's got nice houseboats what four hundred houseboats and near saw sweeter. We've got the Muir woods, national monument. Tell us about that. They mere woods national monument is some of the oldest coastal redwoods he'll find and it's also a very easy trip, whether you're driving, or you could take the ferry to SaaS Alito, and then there is a bus that goes there if you are driving, you, you need to make a parking reservation. So they do limit the number of people that are in the park via this parking reservation, but completely worth it get there early before the tour buses arrive in it's it's impressive. These tall redwoods, and there are a few hiking trails through there, or you can just sit on a bench and take it all in understand this has been actually protected for more than one hundred years now in these triumphs redwoods and miles of trails through the forest through Kenyon. Yes. Quite beautiful nice. Now. That's to the north of San Francisco to the south on the coast. We have Half Moon bay. Yes. Half Moon bay my co author Jill Robinson actually lives in Half Moon bay. And she loves it down there. It's quaint little town, and there are kayak, companies and seafood. Restaurants, also, well known for its Mavericks, surf competition with a giant Ganic wave that role in during the winter, I believe, and yeah, and it's not very far from San Francisco, and it's also very easy day trip, or go down for lunch with you want to watch the surfers is that something that's all year long or just in certain seasons. I do believe people surf there all year long, but this particular competition Mavericks is a certain time of year and just for safety Albany say back a little bit. Never forget, I had a beautiful vacation, down there in a wonderful BNB. There's some great BNB's in Heff. Now for thinking about more seashore we've got point Reyes national seashore. That's north of San Francisco as well. People love to go out there for recreation. I mean, there are miles and miles of, it's a protected seashore, and miles and miles of trails to hike, and it's a great day, especially if you're active it's beautiful photographs and wanna sunny day. I think it's one of the places that can't be beat in the bay area. Konica lighthouse yeah. And the couple of small towns, you can stop in point Reyes station has a few little great places to stop for coffee or pack up your picnic. We always hear about this. Always hear about the Andrea's fault. You can actually see that point. Rhys. Oh can you. Gosh. That's, that's I don't. They didn't know that. Yeah. So there's less. Sort of a nature wonderland. They're definitely talk about Carmel by the sea. Well Carmel by this is going to be a little bit of a longer trip from San Francisco. But that's okay. And it's also a gorgeous drive. Of course, it's connected to Monterey BIA the famous seventeen mile drive and Pebble Beach. Everyone's heard of and Carmel by the sea is yes, charming little town. Fill of galleries and restaurants. Lots of hotels. Yeah. It's a great way to spend a day. And it's probably about two two and a half hour drive from San Francisco, these beach towns, the a lot of them have a colonial sorta heritage got the Carmo mission there, but then it's sort of a haunt of artists and surfers these days in karma, by the sales overs. Yes. Well, there's a lot of nature trails down there. And it does feel quite wild along the coast, especially as you start to head south towards Big Sur and whatnot. It does start to get pretty wild. We're exploring some of the fund day trips you can enjoy within easy reach of San Francisco with Kimberly. Levada. She's co author of one hundred things to do in San Francisco before you die Kimberly. Also received a gold medal from the society of American travel. Writers for her culinary travel book about the door dome region in France. It's called walnut wine and truffle growth for website is Kimberly, Lavoro dot com. Somebody's never been to San Francisco before they're tempted to go up to Napa Valley. It must be the number one destination. Tell us about nap Italian. Is it worth the trouble to go up there? And what are your tips to enjoy it? Absolutely. Recommend Napa Valley because it's not that far from the Golden Gate Bridge. It's about a forty five minute drive to the town of Napa, and something that I've seen having lived on an often San Francisco now since nineteen ninety the town of Napa itself used to be kind of drive through town, you sort of gas up and go, and then go, visit wineries. But Napa, the town is actually quite hopping now with restaurants in great hotels. They have the Napa Valley wine train, which if you don't feel like driving. They have various tours now that you can get on and off at different wineries. That's nice. So you can drink to your heart's content and frame. Yes. And then you have to eventually leave the train station next. But the but the train goes from winery to winery. Yeah, there are various tours. There's dinner tours. There's quick stop. It's three. It depends on what wineries you wanna stop at the higher higher priced wineries. For lack of a better description will cost more but it's a lovely experience. It's very orient-express, California style. And a lot of them serve a meal on there as well. So. Yeah. The valley line trains, doing a great job of mixing, it up allowing different. Whatever type of tour, you want you can experience and yeah, you don't have to drive and you know, where to go. Someone else's made those decisions for you know, I've done wine tasting and a lot of different areas, but have never done in Napa Valley. Just can you walk us through what, what's the process do you make a reservation? Does it cost money would kind of alternatives are there and what's it like to tour? Winery in Napa Valley. Those are all good questions, and it depends is the answer. So Napa Valley, a lot of the wineries are reservation only, but only because they wanna limit, you know, the amount of people, they want to be able to service you correctly, and they don't want to be overrun with people and not be able to help people. So most a lot of wineries will take reservations, some you can walk in, and there is often a tasting fee because they don't want people just come in and drink a bunch of wine and leave, but often that tasting fees is waived if you buy a bottle of wine, so it works out in everyone's favor. There are some great wineries. That you can go and spend a lovely day. I mean, alpha omega is one that comes to mind they have this gorgeous patio with fountains that you can just sit out there all day, if you want, which makes it very dangerous. Rick steves. We're talking with Kimberly lavar tone. She along with Joe Robinson code one hundred things to do in San Francisco before you die. And a lot of those things might be getting outta town in day-tripping Kimberly, when you go to the city by the bay, you might wanna spend some time on the bay, what are some options to get up there and enjoy San Francisco Bay. Oh, yes, you cannot come to San Francisco, not get out, so first of all, are, are fairies are great a lot of people do it anyway, because they wanna go to Alcatraz or SaaS Alito angel island. And so you're, you're already on the ferry, and it has great views of the skyline the Golden Gate Bridge over the red and white fleet and the blue and gold, fleet have highlight cruises like sunset, cruises, and cocktail cruises. There's the rocket boat ride. That's for the adrenaline thrill seekers who wanna go fast and speedboat there, even kayaks. I mean you. Can kayak on the bay. If you're, if you're strong and brave enough down by south beach, and AT and T park, there's a city kayak company. No you live in sausalito. And you mentioned. That's just a fifteen minute ferry ride away from very easy. And then when he gets us lead or there. Can you rent boats or on the bay from sausalito is that something you do from San Francisco? No, you could rent their kayak companies in SaaS Alito either as walks. Most people come and walk along the water. It's got a great view back to San Francisco, but share, you can get on kayaks. They're a lot of people rent bikes and bike over the bridge to, to SaaS Alito, if you can believe it. It's a long one, but it's fun. And it's you know, you see it all you rent the bike down in about fisherman's, wharf, and the need ride all the way over the bridge and down the hill into sausalito, and it's a great way to see a lot. Can you? Comeback by the very they used to do that way. But now they've made it easier these companies have parking and sausalito now and you leave your bike there and, and yeah, you can cab back. Uber back or take the ferry back. Very nice, now, a lot of people fly into Oakland and go straight into San Francisco. What would you do? Oakland. Is that worth aside trip from San Francisco? Oh, absolutely. And actually, I have an author of one hundred things to do in Oakland before you die, and she's covered it all she lives over there, but yeah, oaklands got a great booming restaurant. Z now I hear, they have a great Chinatown Bart is an easy ride over to Oakland from San Francisco. A lot of people go over and head to the Berkeley campus as well. Accessible by Bart? So it's a conomic Pollock sensible if you're like local writing on the Birch. That's cool. Yeah. And finally, what about the Senta cruise beach walk. So I think the Santa Cruz beach boardwalk is just something, it's so quintessentially California to me with the wooden boardwalk, and the old wooden roller coaster and arcade games. And they do summertime cinema on the sand and it's just a great, great retro. Feel to the place. A lot of surfing goes on down there, there's a surf museum down there, some great little hotels, retro motels that have been renovated, and it's a it's a great way to, to get a slice of old old, California. Sounds like a little bit like a B area, Venice Angeles. Yeah, that's a great way to describe it. Yeah. I like that. And you have your Santa Monica pier down there, same type of feel except, I think Santa Cruz is much older in a parade of people and unloving slices of life to yes, definitely. Yeah. It's quite nice down there. And the, the weather is often. A little bit nicer Francisco in the summer cruise beach. Boardwalk rape, Kimberly Nevado author, one hundred things to do in San Francisco before your, thanks a lot. Legal. He's. Travel with Rick steves police Rick steves Europe and Edmonds. Washington by Tim captain is a Kaplan Wilner and caz, maral, our website is managed by Andrew wait. And our theme music is by Jerry Frank, we get promotional support from Sheila Gurzo. We had studio health this week from the radio foundation in New York, and from sports, bioline USA in San Francisco, we had editing health this week from Sarah McCormick. There's more online at Rick steves dot com slash radio. Rick steves has spent a third of his adult life in Europe, researching and writing guidebooks Europe through the back door teaches the skills of small travel travel as a political act as meaning to the journey, and Rick steves bestselling country city and pocket guide books cover every corner of Europe. To learn more, visit the travel store at Rick steves dot com.

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Home Improvement w/ John & Dave, pt3, 4/18/20

Home Improvement with John and Dave

17:10 min | 6 months ago

Home Improvement w/ John & Dave, pt3, 4/18/20

"It's the home improvement with John and Dave show brought to you by the Home Depot. More saving more doing home improvement with John. De Answers to all your home improvement questions. Sponsored by Home Depot Lennox charlottecomfortsystems cost heating and cooling and dry pro basement systems on news. Talk Seven ten ninety nine tree. Tell you welcome back. It's our number two. The home improvement show. I'm John Gordon with the Home Depot. I'm Dave Deauville. Thanks for being with us this morning. Where Seven Zero? Four five seven eleven and got a couple of callers in the queue. David let you rocket. I'll do so bear with this because we're We're we're technical difficulties today. So we're trying to keep up Chris's Trying to run the board and it's Antiquated the way. We're doing it but he's getting it done. I just kinda messed up the number so if I told you that you were next you may not be so just hold tight we will get to you. You are next. Just not right next exactly so Right now we're going to bring J. J. J. J. Thanks for waiting. Yes sir. All right now I'm GONNA go in. Replace these folks now. What twenty years ago I started seeing one piece toilets in big box stores very cool looking they are? They're nice and I'm thanking. Can you go wrong with one end? You don't have to worry about SEALED BETWEEN TANKS BOWL. That's right and it's They're they're more sanitarium stable We kind of joke around for people that use the toilet has a library. You can kind of lean back and you don't have to worry about snapping the tank off so if that's important to you but but but really The sanitary in the look are the pride of the two the two biggest things that come to mind. Johnny everything without your. That's it I love him but there there's no but to him well. That was a bad choice of words. Yeah you're good okay. You'll like it. The the only the only downfall to them is they're they`re. They're heavy to install the nice thing about a two piece toilet as you could set the ball air and then and then put the tank on afterwards When I was younger didn't matter too much. It matters a whole lot now so yeah I know they're looking at about eighty pounds As far as the We'll get a little brand specific here and then I'm GonNa let y'all go but The big stores because the one has the brand glacier bay now is is that. Is that a manufacturer or that home. Depot's brands this made by one of the other big. That's that's a it's a home depot. Wh- what we would call a proprietary brand so it's not available anywhere through the Home Depot But it doesn't have to go through all of the rigor we expect those products to to exceed Standards and things. If we're going to put our name on it I would say we get that right. Most of the time and a couple of things I didn't like but But in the case of those toilets If the people who have to Avoid replacing toilets for a living. I think it's a good product. We think it's a good product. And that particular brand gets very high marks from our professionals And for folks who like in multifamily you have thousands of them and don't want to replace him. I'm somebody dangerous. I've used them and they've they've flush Graham they're great it's a it's a good toilet They're just they're just not as Decorative as some other toilets. That's all right but now is it is. It may be man made manufactured by somebody like American. I don't know who. The manufacturer is on a j Mica check But usually yeah home. Depot doesn't have a toilet manufacturing plant somewhere in South Carolina so there there's a manufacturer somewhere that's happened to meet the specs We have this big product lab down in the basement of our office and they test all that stuff so whoever the manufacturer is has to pass the standards got all right bill. Look I appreciate answering all the questions. Do appreciate your call all right. Y'All have good. Thanks have a great day. Okay we lost Beth Beth. Beth call back if you want she. She had a question about when you're new appliances show up in their scratched. You know I'm sure what what do you do? How do you handle that? So you want to call us back. If not send US email and we'll we'll take care of you there Next up is Jim and I think I told Linda she was next. But if JIM JIM WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM L. O. Goes I know you'll discuss this before I got family with. Everybody does twenty so I got a couple of pretty good size from Audio recommend putting in there and one other question. I put a related the same thing. We've got a son. Put me a screen. Ports Mama wounded two years ago now of course that concrete. It's got a hairline crack in. What do I do both so It depends on when you say they're pretty good size. Depends on what you mean in and both with the crack and depth of the crack but we can give you a basic answer and then you can dig a little bit i. It's a to make it for you if it's if it's reasonably wide But not like I don't know say half an inch or or so but deep we would recommend putting a backer rod which is just a little styrofoam looks like a little grey snake and you push it down in so um so you can fill up the holy on this void that goes four inches deep and down into the ground. But we put we would recommend that you put a backer rod in there and push it in there with a blunt object and then come back over the top of it with the self leveling product sealant. We like a product called seek Affleck's S. I K. A. F. L. E. X. It's a it's a petroleum base. So you gotTa have a cleaner and solvent to clean it up and you gotta be careful not to get it on the concrete around the crack or it doesn't come off easily But we like it because it stays resilient as the concrete expands and contracts and so it doesn't break away on you. It has a gray color to it. So it's probably not a perfect match for your driveway. But if if solving the problem with the crack keeping the water out preventing three freeze thaw complexity year after year after year. It's a great product David on the hairline cracks. It works puts us. You gotTA use a crack Chaser to open that up a little bit and yes and get it in right. Yeah they make V-shaped Head that goes on a grinder basically just makes V and concrete to open it up because if it's a hairline crack it's too hard to get the product you'll never get it in and you'll just make a mess. I figured yeah. But you can. Also if you're good with the grinder. You could take a four inch grinder with a diamond blade and you can just followed and chase the crack is what we call it you chase it and follow it in. That will open it up enough but they do make a V. Grind Avi head grinder. Blow up the blade. I'm pretty good with Greiner. It'd be yeah. Oh well free says it's it's less than half riot. You'll be fine and it's it's IT'S A. It's a closed cell foam John. John said Styrofoam but I know he just say you. Don't get confused. Yeah thank you. Because it's it's just phenomenal rigid Rod. Okay Sal thanks for the call. All right we gotta take a quick break. Seven four five seven seven Tamil. Talk when we return to home improvement with John. Dave welcome back. This is home improvement. John Day I'm John Gordon with the Home Depot. I'm Dave Deauville. Several four five seven hundred ten got lines open. This is cracking away. Maybe we don't. He's doing he's getting it done. And I just I'm GonNa give you the order quickest Linda Brooke Ed. And then we got one holding so Hang tight and we'll get to use quick as we can all right so liz up next. Yep Linda how you doing. Are you fine hope you are? We are stellar good. My first question is kind of a quickie. We've got an old rhino composite deck. It's about eighteen years old after pressure. Washington should he seal it composite deck? Yeah I mean I think there's some John I think there's some clear sealers out there that they say you could put on it You know those older ones are made at that would calm. Yeah when you break the surface ya so once the once the top surfaces off of it I think you can apply a sealer. I wouldn't expect a whole bunch from it But but but if you put it on there it probably will be helpful for awhile to help it. Not Get so dirty so quick so so something to think about and you might want to just do a small amount and just do a quick test area to see if even like it great. Thank you the next thing. We just bought a ten foot by ten to Debt Son Sale and the hardware that came with it. The you know they're talking about how much you got. A you know. Fastnet down the hardware that came with it. The screws are only one inch long. We're going to put those two screws. Those that was a bunch of screws. We're GONNA put those two sides into the house What Lee scores a little bit longer than that in that? And it depends on what you're gonNA put it in because if you if you put something that's that's really stout and you put it on the facial board or a corner board. If the wind grabs that sale it could actually rip that whole board off of the House. So this really needs to. It really needs to go into a framing member If you're going to do it so right above a door or above a window normally is a header which is to buy material and it's doubled up so you could put something dependent on what's on the outside of your house. Your brick or siding hater siding so you would go through that so you could put something about three inches long with a with a with a with an I hook. It would probably be better John if they use a welded. Yeah I hook rather than one. That's just closed. But if you get one big enough you it may. It may not tear it open. But you're almost if it was me. I would almost put that. Hook in the wall but I would have a breakaway lake. Something that would that would break in case the wind so that it doesn't do damage to the House and and I I I saw your email and I have had it this week. I was going to answer that but I did want to talk about it on air because that's becoming real popular and you have to be careful about how you hang those things up because the wind as we all know is pretty powerful thing so what you facin that twos is is pretty important right well now on the other two lands. We're GONNA use a one inch poll. It's a real sick heavy poll. It's only one inch though and Two polls And we're only GONNA have. That height is about seven feet on that side Can we just hook those polls to the four by fours of the deck Coming up the deck. It's it's just too far to galway down to the ground and then CNN and all we thought maybe we could look at three or four places on the Four by fours can to afford to hold the debt. Is that the for the for the underneath of the deck. Yeah IT'S IN CONCRETE. You probably can but if those if those The polls are using our hollow. There's a there's a good chance it'll it'll collapse them and fold them over Yes when the wind blows on that thing so you may want to drop something solid down inside of those a piece of rebar or something of course that could be your break away if you if you think about it if it folds US polls over that probably would be better than having it tear something up. So yeah that's true. Okay great thank you for your health. Five three sheets and welcome. Thanks for the call. Y'All have a good day. Thank you Linda. You don't WanNa be scary about that stuff but you know that's all very possible. Yeah no it is because you just created a massive sale and if you take pounds per square inch you know that's make a mess pretty quick. Okay Bruton's next Brooke. How are you welcome to home improvement? John and Dave this. It'd be calling me Sir. Got Question on water heaters. I built my house forty three years ago. Had My plumber put in a rain. Forty Gallon gas water. Heater have city water. We do not have any hard water. I don't think I did any maintenance on that water heater for forty years until one morning woke up. We didn't have hot water plumber that I'm using now put in new rain. Forty Gallon Gas. Water Heater recommended draining the tank once of the year based on my previous rain water heater. That seems a little much overkill and it may be on. It may be on on on city water But there's always the opportunity in and when you say the water's not hard at it is. It's just slightly hard so it takes longer For those minerals to build up but You know that that's what's in the manual and that's why he's telling you that it tells you that in every water heater manual says that you should flush every year. I think you stand point. What do you say I do mine? So yes so us. If you if you've got that scenario the time you probably get in trouble Brookwood be if somebody did maintenance in the line somewhere and some silt or something got in their highly unlikely if you if you had that that fortune Unless something's change radically in the composition of the water rock on with your bad self. Yeah but but he's your plumbers. One hundred percent correct and the manufacturer tells you to do that. Remember the manufacturers telling you do things to prolong the life of it. So you know if you don't do that and it goes out in in your warranty time. They can void your warranty. Because you didn't follow the manufacturer's recommended recommendations there. You go wait. We had the neighbors have Well Water and I WANNA started building. Our they got the city water but then so Then we've had that comfort of having that shirt and they've probably been through two or three cents. Then yeah I know. They've flushed align out one once or twice After they've put the system in but I've been very lucky and fortunate in then. Reims bomber plumbing. Yeah well if you get another one let us know what all right. Thank you for your call. Brooke appreciate it. Okay all right. Let's ED is next At his next. Hey Hey y'all home and premium which on Dave. How are you hello it just on day? Yep It is a I've got two questions. One I think is a simpler We've got a screened in porch which the floor. The floor is all cedar and every couple of years. I go in a light standing and care of sealer on it. Is that something? I hear you guys talk about Cedar. She'll call that something that I would use Cedar Shield for You know you could in there If it's under roof what I find is is is decking that is under roof normally. Does it need the type of maintenance the that the sun exposed deck the needs so I you know? I don't know that I would do if it was my house. I mean I I did what you did. I always always took care of it sealed it but I could go three years on my deck in my screen porch versus the deck. That was outside the had to be done every year right and and it's probably I probably. It's probably been about five years since I've done it and I think the last time I use the cabinet product. So what would you guys recommend I like cabins have great product. I used it often. Okay so just follow the directions in. I think you'll be in good shape. If it says to strip it you need to strip it okay and The other question is we have a sealed crawlspace and The the flooring under the house in the cost base is the relation as traditional Fiberglass insulation which is coming down the places. It's it's it's hanging down and we've been told two different things one we've been told by some folks. Well you don't need we're GONNA have to put you on hold but let us we got. We take a quick break here. If you don't mind okay Folks home approver Jonah Dave We'll be back right after these important messages.

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BONUS #1

Bill and Frank Eat Pop Culture

29:45 min | 1 year ago

BONUS #1

"Hello everyone and welcome to bill and frankie pop culture. I am frank going to be a little bit different this week. It's just me i don't have my i- lifelong companion soulmate bill next to me but <hes> we decided together that it was better to put out a special bonus different episode than no episode at all this week so that's exactly what you're going to get something. That's a little bit different different than we're used to different content different structure and different production bill is the ace behind all of the editing and <hes> music and sounds that you hear on the week to week basis year makes us sound pretty and professional and <hes> <hes>. I don't do any of that stuff and i couldn't if i tried so i'm just gonna come to you fresh and unfiltered this week and we'll see where it goes so bear with me and <hes> i still think we'll be able to put together a pretty decent show so fifty years ago this week was probably one of the most underrated forgotten rock and roll oh festivals ever the atlantic city pop festival of nineteen sixty nine and my father was there and he sent me this text yesterday morning fifty years ago today. I was reborn born at the atlantic city race track what i would see that day will stay with me. As long as i live in changed me forever. Mike carabello arms playing conga with a huge afro greg rowley saying it looks like we'll stick with the latin shit. You guy seemed to dig it more joe cocker asking me to hand him a floor tom in those famous boots two feet from my face. The next time i saw those boots was in the woodstock movie. Frank zappa deceased driving a station wagon filled with the mothers of invention and canned heat with bob hite also deceased sitting on the tailgate that unknown guy standing up giving the finger anger screaming. Well fuck you too hugh masekela. Please don't ever let these stories die so i wanted to read that you guys because i think it's a pretty cool piece of american rock and roll history and also is an amish to my father to never let those stories die as he asked <hes> you know he's been telling me their stories. Since i was little mike carabello belo in greg rally of course at the time in santana <hes> in the buzi refers to of joe cocker's you'll so you can see him in the woodstock movie when he's singing help a little help from my friends they're they're blue leather with white stars on them like the american flag cost boots. I just picture frank zappa and those those maniac shim muslim invention their car. Just what a different scene in time it was back then for music. The next thing i wanted to talk about was <hes> jump in the comics here for a second so you know d. C. has recently launched their black label and you know from the very we start the first couple things that happened with the to me. Were just a little funky right so what happens i they retroactively a brand the white knight shaun murphy's white knight as the black label after it had already been out in singular issue for him and completed had raised success. They go in they they they. They retro label it. The black label little strange then they put out batman damned which i mean. I'm not as rela guy. I am not a big bermeo guy either so you know my opinions on the quality of that book you know are of course not going to be super positive but regardless of that you know they they do the gimmicky you know easy headline about you know putting batmans dick in the comic book right and then going loops sorry and you know quote unquote pulling it off the shelves and reprinting it without that man stick. If any of you are wondering i of course have the one with batmans dick. I wouldn't have it any other way so right off. The bat does two things. It was just kinda like it's kinda weird right. You know so is this just a gimmicky title. That's going to be headlined. Grab after headline grab and then you know try to. I'm trying to trick us readers into thinking. This is a legitimate line that this is a true replacement of vertigo by you you know retroactively labeling white knight and throwing in cursing the white knight and <hes> last night on earth all near the black label bowl you know what is the black label as an adult is it is it another planet is an else world as it somewhere. The multi-diverse is it can and is it not canon. What is it so the most recent one. That's coming out. Is this frank frank miller johnny romania junior superman year one now. I think we can all agree that batman year one is one of the best comic book doc arc's ever published change the texture and form of the batman character to this day very celebrated very popular rightfully so it's fantastic book. I shall become a bat so d._c. Knows when they put out a book called superman in your one written by frank miller people are going to buy it. I did then i so so the first issue comes out oversized oversized issue the arts beautiful nothing wrong with the art. The art is beautiful but it's a weird weird story right. It's this is clearly not gonna be like from like the first five pages you know. This is clearly not going to be what batman year one was to batman. You know the it's. It's not even really a year one story. It's it's a it's an origin story. It's a it's an at least first issue is a you know baby toddler adolescent high schooler story so the first thing that like like naming it was when the cans take a baby out of the pod. He's got some telepathic. 'em path abilities going on. He talks about calming their their fears are or whatever he can read their minds and read their emotions so that's the first weird thing superman's a telepathic empathic. If now i guess we'll see where that goes. You know then we then we get into the meat of the story which is clark in high school he now and of course he's. He's a group. He's friends with a group of nerds you know and <hes> in the you know the all the bullies call them the freaks and they drive to school and they throw shit adam and <hes> you know and and apparently even the police are afraid to do anything about the bullies and smallville so then miller decides to <hes> to make like the first i act of heroism that heart that the clark decides to act out even though you know mock has been telling them that's the other thing before fragging in that sorry so in this story mock hence going no don't show your powers hide yourself at all costs just like we've always known him to be you know but then like pop cans coming up in the clark's bedroom when mackenzie around going you know <hes> love your mother but <hes> i you know listen son. Do what you gotta do. You don't let anybody push you around. Just don't be seen which is like the most anti puck can't thing ever so anyway so superman decides his first act of heroism and it's it's a good it's a a good choice. Okay get me wrong <hes> so miller. These bullies are so bad right. You know there's an attempted rape high the school rape of lamb lang you don't of course clark saves little you know little bit much you know and and then as you're reading this comic you're realizing like maybe frank miller isn't the right choice to write a highschool teenage angsty story. I mean this guy. Would you're reading this book. You might question frank. Miller was ever a teenager himself. I mean he he knows nothing about children. He's writing for aliens. No pun intended because clark is an alien. Get it so then. I think the thing that kinda made me scratch my head. The most was at the end of the book. It ends spoiler. Sorry guys clark joins the navy what the navy like. How's it going to make it through the physical without them figuring out. He's superman what's going to happen when they try to give him a vaccination. I mean plus superman's always been for for everybody not just the united states and this is he's going you know he's going into the navy and war are crimes and all and i mean unless they're going to use that to open his eyes up to why he should stand above governments and just be for everybody enough for a specific government. I mean i don't know but still i thought it was a weird choice. He's gonna go join the navy so we're only one issue in but man. I don't know just a weird urge story. I read the first issue saw finish it. I don't know this black label. Man like you know last night on earth was good. <hes> the first issue was good but once again it's it's a story that i don't know if it needs to be told you know it's kind of like in a post apocalyptic future superman. You're one why i i don't get it so i don't know maybe now with vertigo go folding they'll actually take this dc black label thing and and you know put some good writer created comics in there it but right now it's just all reimagining of already existing properties the most well known existing property so it's just i dunno. It's strange i dunno. It's i'm starting to feel like what i you know. I'm starting to feel like my original. Fears are confirmed. It's a money grab <hes> yeah so superman. You're one dc black label so the next thing i thought i'd do tonight is since i'm by myself and i'm feeling very lonely and very sad. I figured i i would <hes> answer some questions from twitter in from email so that's <hes> let's go to the we had quite a few which i was very he pleased with. You know everybody that wrote in thank you so much. I love it when i when when people actually take the time out of their day to to you know respond to a tweet a mind saying ask us questions. It's awesome awesome. It really makes me feel for she hated and you know makes this all worth it so thank you so much. Keep them coming so the first question is from <hes> <hes> wonder the wonder soul podcast w._m._d. Are s._o._u. L. at w. n. d. r. s. o. u. L. on twitter. What is your favorite live action adaptation of any medium man. That's a that's a really good question. <hes> i don't i'm not in on the disney live action adaptations <hes>. I don't really understand that why that's where we're going at this point <hes> none of the superhero movies that have been made are really adaptations of of any thing that has already been imprint. I tell you what it's definitely not is super. Mario brothers and that was a steamy piece piece of dog shit god. That movie was so bad has john leguizamo ever made a good movie think about it. Let me know because i can't think of one but hollywood loves awesome and the ice age movies don't count so let's see my favorite live action adaptation god i. I'm gonna go with well. Let's see so books count right so i'm going to be. I'm going to be shitty and cheap here and i'm going to go with <hes> the return of the king there you go. That's my answer answer. I'm sure i'll get yelled at because people are gonna say it doesn't count but it's a live action that tation of a book so eat my ass. Thank you at wonderful for writing in love. The question will this is a good one. I like this one. This is from the superiority complex at soup complex on twitter who the top five people named frank in pop culture. This is a great question so let's go so frank. Sinatra definitely frank sinatra tra. La franks out there. Is there frank sinatra. I'm gonna just name the only francs i can think of frank sinatra frank gordon frank miller. Even though i just kinda ripped his ass he has contributed a lot of good stuff. That's three frank. I don't think i know two more franks. Frank thomas the famous baseball player frank gore the mediocre football player from the forty niners. I can't think of five francs and pop culture so sad state of affairs. There's change my name kind of depressed right now. Thanks for the question. This is from discount podcast at discount podcast on twitter what it does pop culture taste like what's the texture like. That's a great question so i would say it's got a <hes>. It's got a hazy cloudy smooth mouth feel with like a <hes> tropical citrusy fruity juicy taste no bitterness. That's pop culture tastes like either that or chaka taco next question. We have two questions here. This is from another digital citizen and they are at podcast a._d._c. number one what you name your podcast if you had to rename it something completely house so first of all i would say thank you for the question checker grammar bill in frank in their erections sion's. That's what i would name it to. What is one secret about bill. You can tell us now that you are alone so i'm not gonna tell any secrets grits because <hes> those are very private fell out but there was one. I'll tell funny bill story so they're one there was a i think it was like our first night back in dorms sophomore year and we were like pounding a double beer funnel like all night and then we went to the to the community bathroom in the dorm and we're standing at the urinals he's at one year and limit the other urinal and we're giggling about something and all of a sudden and in the middle of his laugh he turns his head straight towards the wall and slams it down on the metal the top of the metal pipe coming out of the top of the the urinal and just looks at me with this crazy smiles like blood's coming me down his forehead yeah so he took it the hard way we had color that night brother brother the hard way john berger longtime friend john berger writes in bros. My son reminded me that mahershala. Ali was also uncle aaron slash prowler in the animated spiderman into the spider verse. That flick was dope. I had low expectations for it and it crushed in my opinion so thanks for writing in john. I guess that was in a response to <hes> to our episode last week. Where we talked about face foreign mahershala ali become blade. Oh kyle likes plays. My buddy. Kyle plays by the way anybody if you haven't seen me already on cadillacs plays just talking to on youtube. Go check it out. <hes> it was super fun to do. He's a great interviewer. Good dude go check out his channel. Kylie's plays on youtube good stuff and i was super. Super charming is always his question is if i could bring back one famous or historic person to life who would it be and why well i wouldn't bring anybody back to life because i saw season six <music> of buffy the vampire slayer where you know she died at the end of season five fighting fighting glory and then everybody was so distraught and sad that they brought her back for their own selfish reasons in as it turns is out we find out that buffy was happy and at peace she was in heaven and they pulled her out of heaven and she woke up in the ground the klare way out so now i'm upbringing anybody. That's sick shit question. The laughter afterlife at laugh life adam he asks how much of accepted knowledge in the world will be deemed incorrect by twenty. Any fifty is a great question. I'm gonna go with thirty five percents. The next question comes from geeky girls night then at geeky girls and i on twitter if you could eat one cheese for the rest of your life which one would it be. That's easy the sharpest sharp provolone you can find a lot thank you for in writing it so dr tony ortega friend of the show and he hero to humanity writes in who would be the only man and you would have sex with now. This is a trick question because he's trying to put himself over and get me to say him but i'm i'm not gonna say tony. I'm not into the to the but stuff snap my thing and <hes> you know that's where food comes out so i would really not enjoy doing it so if i had to to do it and i was unhappy doing it. I would want whoever i was doing it with to share in my misery and discomfort so therefore the answer is bill. That's all from twitter. Let's go to the school to email please. Anybody ever has a question or anything feel feel free to either hit us up on twitter at b. f. e. pop culture or more through email. Remember email email's almost archaic at this point. We're at eat pop culture at gmail.com would love to hear from you so this one comes from big pete from from glacier bay. Ooh now big pete. I'm a fan of the <hes> laughter life podcast and big pete is a a longtime friend of that show who writes in often so i'm actually i'm very honored to be getting email from big pizzas. A big deal to me. Were were crossing housing over universes. This is <hes> this is a crossover guys. This is crazy. What is your favorite food to eat while watching movies how about reading comic is insulin expensive in p._a. Pete i well. There's a couple of questions here so i'm going to take these one of the time. What is your favorite food to eat while watching movies <hes> i like mike annex thanks or popcorn. How about reading a comic. I won't eat while reading a comic because i can't. I don't want to damage damage the pages at all so before i read comics i wash my hands. I dry my hands and then i wait like fifteen minutes to make sure there's not even any water residue do on my hands and then i read comics so i don't. I'm not going to eat while reading comics. I have masturbated though laureen comics but that wasn't your question is insulin expensive m._p._a. You know you're up in canada with all the the experimental drugs and free health care and i i mean i don't i don't know i'm not i'm not diabetic yet <hes> so i don't know if it's expensive in p._a. I'm lucky enough to have health insurance so i hope i never now but if it's that that important to you i can ask around. I have a couple <hes> couple of diabetic friends. I do that math is is <hes> fairly reasonable around here. Your next e mail comes from this is amazing the dump king from the dump frank. I found an old box of maxim magazine's here at the dump and they all have your name and address on them. Why did you throw these out. Do people still watch wrestling on t._v. I only watch rats russell over old scraps of food decay once again a lot going on here so i'm i'm gonna take these one of the time the maxim magazine yeah i i mean something had to go. <hes> it was either my mad magazine's of which i have plenty plenty or my maximum magazines which most of the pages are all stuck together anyway so i got rid of them kept. The mad magazine's humor over dried semen. Do people still watch wrestling on t._v. Well yes sure we watch wrestling all the time three or four nights a week actually <hes> to be honest. I'm questioning whether you listen to the show because if you listen to show you'd know that we watch quite a lot of wrestling on t._v. <hes> and did you say you only watch <hes> watch the rats russel roles cups of food so do the rat the rats have gimmicks and names and stuff <hes> or is it just <music> a rat one and rat too. That's my question deep woods willy frank. Do you live near the woods. What is the the best bug spray. How much is too much beat. Why don't more people live in the woods deep woods. Do i live near the woods. Let's take that one. I i know not anymore. I grew up in the pine barrens though so i was raised in the woods <hes> you know we had the jersey level two so they were scary. What's <hes> actually the camp that they filmed the original friday the thirteenth that was was like right around the corner from the house. I grew up in so scary scary woods. What's my favorite bug spray. <hes> i just white dog shit oliver my skin and <hes> kind of attracts more flies but since i'm covered in dog shit i don't feel the flies. If that makes sense you should try it. I imagine an raccoon or squirrel shit would all work the same as far as deep goes. I don't think there is such thing as too much. I've never heard anybody say well enough already. So you know your heart out. Why don't more people live in the woods. I know i don't live in the woods. I'm i'm still scarred to death jeff from the stories of the jersey devil when i was growing up so there you go so everybody thanks for the for the emails males in the <hes> in the questions. I hope my answers were satisfactory. Tell you this is. This is a lot harder than i thought it. It was gonna be without bill. <hes> i miss him. I wish he was here. <hes> this is a this is a two man rowboat and i'm struggling right now but <hes> dissolve. You guys love you all right guy so we got big wrestling weekend coming up this weekend. We've got an x._t. And in toronto saturday night we've got the big party of the summer summer slam on sunday okay so i'm sure when bill and i put our heads back together next week and <hes> touch our tips will be talking a lot of wrestling so you're ready for that and <hes> next week we're gonna talk about how severity in powers of ten and that's all i got for you guys. It's a short short one this week. It's just me <hes>. I miss you. Bill za heavy load to carry remember to hit us up on twitter at b. the f. e. pop culture same on instagram bi f. e. pop culture and email us at <hes>. I'm sorry sorry. I just had a stroke. <hes> email us at g mail <hes> e- pop culture at djamil dot com also check out our youtube channel billing dylan frankie pop culture on youtube <hes> johnny beaver the great johnny beaver has been posted some pretty cool videos where he's walking you through trade paperbacks and talking about the comic i can give you reviews and their spoiler heavy so be careful but check it out. He's doing some really good stuff over there. You can also find those videos on our website bagged boarded in box dot dot com. We've got podcast transcripts of all the episodes on there. We've got some articles. I do summon on boxing's every once in a while janis posting a bunch of stuff on there so a lot of good stuff. Check it out you can get you know you can listen to our podcast on their <hes> <hes> if you have the time and you're so inclined in your a apple device user please go on apple podcasts in subscribed subscribe download all the episodes rate review us. Take your wife's phone or husbands phone do the same thing smack your kid in the mouth. Take his phone do the same thing. Hang breaking your neighbor's house. Take a shit in the tank of their toilet unhook the chain then take their phone and do the same thing <hes> <hes> really helps us out guys you know indi podcasts we spend a lotta time and we do a lot of work and <hes> it's for no reward except <hes> you know getting these reviews and and hearing from you guys on twitter and it's all worth it and we love it so help us out. We'll keep putting out the content and and <hes> talk to you guys next week. I love you all bill. When you listen to this just know i miss you and uh aw we'll be together again soon. Buddy all right. 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The Day We Went Toilet Shopping

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The Day We Went Toilet Shopping

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Always makes me laugh I just can't get enough of it makes my morning. I don't even notice that I'm sitting in traffic took I wake up to the show every day literally listen all the time it use up all my data. I just love their interaction. They really seem to generally love each other love each other. In the morning show hey, we rolled into another day. Tuesday September twenty-ninth were almost two October. Isn't that wild. It is the Daniel in the month of Danielle in everything cobwebs and spiders. Ghosts, and GOBLINS. Ghost is maybe by the end of the show, a Goblin is oh, no dirty jokes froggy. Godwin stopping good. Morning Scary Good Morning Hi producer Sam good, Morning Danielle Good Morning I'm looking at Danielle Zoom Room. She looks a little like Ruth Bayer Ginsburg. What. All the. disodium say did you see what I'm saying and there's a Gandhi Gandhi how? Did you change your hair color. It looks different today I didn't. But you know as time goes on. I. Think it just changes on its own GOTCHA. Frogging. Fellow there Scotty with a new microphone. and. There's a straight nate in there. We got way too many people working on the show. We haven't even a lot of people working in the background to make us look good. Hey. All right. So today is froggy day not only is a national coffee day. It's FROGGY Day froggy you get to choose a first song today. What is it? It is it the backstreet boys and? Larger than life? No, it's not. Yes. Are you kidding me. Here we go. Hi. My Name. But. A Away. down. She. Can't you see? Get paid. I song request backstreet boys you got it right What a day? I was supposed to see them in concert, but the pandemic killed that. So we'll have to wait 'til next to you, but that will hold me over. Aj on dancing with the stars what do you think I'm gonNA say so no. This Tuesday's GonNa bring a lot of interesting things. I still have yellow jackets flying around my house, the infestation continues. We have the first presidential debate tonight that's going to be a show. Crowd show. Everything what today it's another day another another view at an interesting world we're living on. So let's get going. Let's start with our first caller of the day Jonathan Line. Three. Oh. My Gosh. So Jonathan Hey Danielle Jonathan works at your favorite place on Earth Jonathan Daniel where you work. Dot Com. Amazon. Absolutely Jonathan what do you do at Amazon or do you have to kill us if you tell us? They don't have to do that. Script. I'm a store and I put items into been where the pickers could pick them. So you guys could ordered on. There if you weren't there, we wouldn't be getting yesterday. We received three huge crates of fans from Amazon because over the weekend Alex drank something ordered all these antique looking fans to put an all of our rooms. Are they going back or you keep it off. All the retro fans thanks to you Jonathan. They all made it into the band and they all made it to my house. Listen. Amazon of course, Amazon and everyone delivering everything from Amazon. So essential all these months. Thank you so much for what you do. You are our first caller of the day and we must in your honor remind everyone I, think Amazon. Prime Day coming up to. October thirteenth and fourteenth is that That is correct. That is getting very, very busy right now. Oh I bet she'll ready for prime. Day Our Jonathan. You make sure those bins are filled because we need stuff and we'll definitely gonNA send you your Elvis Duran morning show scrubs from Hackensack Meridian. You're the first caller of the day. Thanks for being an essential important part of our lives. Jonathan thank so much. Hello elitist. You should put uncle Johnny one of those bins and send them out see where he's going. A hold on Jonathan. Thank you. Thank you so much. Well, let's get going. I know not yet been around the room from all of you will be on the way too early to ask what your headline is. Did you know? Around later on I. Oh Danielle. My wife and many others and apology. In other words, it's another day we're froggy. Scary. What's your headline for your around the room today I? Don't have a headline just yet. Okay. Early you're developing developing story hatching the headline you? Gandhi. I JUST WANNA. Say I. Think we have some of the office listeners ever and I'll tell you why come into. That what about you? Daniel. Stores that celebrate the holidays early make me happy. That and more on the way our producer same who you're doing your horoscopes with all right today is Danielle? Alright so I'll stay in the room for your. Birthday, today so happy birthday to her capricorn do not allow yourself to be manipulated by other people's viewpoints stick by your beliefs and stand firm your days and nine Aquarius go out of your way to pay it forward for someone you know or a complete stranger Karma will reciprocate days attend Pisces be wary of something that might sound too good to be true. Take a good look before you put your eggs in one basket you're days seven areas remember that without our failures would not. Be Able to enjoy our successes embraces projections, your days and eight Torres feel free to take a break from a project you've been working hard on taking time away could give you a fresh perspective your days nine Gemini Time Heals all look back to your pass relationships and maybe think about potentially reconnecting if the moment calls for it days nine cancer tried carving out a minute in your day to reconnect or meditate can help you find the stability that you crave your days nine Leo new. Opportunities lie on the horizon the open to all opinions as you seek new perspectives, your days and eight virgo do not go out of your way to convince others of what you know is right. The truth will always prevail your days tenth libra believe in yourself, create a task list to keep yourself on track and motivated toward progress your days and eight. Scorpio you may be feeling emotionally drained planned to take day to yourself to recharge your batteries. Your date is a seven and finally Sagittarius. Every superhero could use a sidekick or to allow yourself to let your guard down and be open to help your days eight and those your Tuesday morning horoscopes. Excellent. Excellent. All right. Hang on was going into the three things we need to know from the woman who received her phone nipple rings from Amazon yesterday did and I love Them I wanted to test it out because I one hundred percent. Sure if I was going to like a nipple piercing so I wanted to you know see they're. Taking protests I'M GONNA. Get my foe Prince Albert Ring I think today. I'm going to connect that to the taint and see if I, like it. Along. Attaining the Prince Albert goes into the other end. Okay. I'll I'll send you photo. All right. Sure. It comes with instructions I. Hope. So it's both so it's not going to really go through the skin. Into the three things we need to know Gandhi. What's going on president trump and Joe Biden are gonNa Square off tonight for their first debate Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace will moderate the debate. It'll be ninety minutes and held in Cleveland. There are six topics that will part of this debate the trump biden records, the supreme court, the corona virus, the economy race in violence in US cities, and the integrity of the upcoming election announcement was made yesterday that the federal government is going to distribute one hundred and fifty million coronavirus rapid tests to. States in an event held in the Rose Garden President Trump said the US leads the world in testing calling it unprecedented. He also expect expressed some optimism about a development of a vaccine and predicted that next year will be great and finally tamp- the Tampa Bay lightning are the Stanley Cup champions after beating the Dallas Stars and game six of the Stanley Cup. Final Edmonton the lightning earn their second cup in franchise history froggy. I'm not sure if you're a huge hockey fan or not, but I thought that might make you a little bit happy today. But I'm very happy for any Florida team to win. So theft and those are your three things. Thank you, God you guys ready for your Tuesday. Yeah I'm not convinced. Are you ready for your? Tuesday yeah. You guys are lame. For Tuesday. Oh God. Why so loud. All right. Let's have a Tuesday. Elvis, get ready for brace yourself taken. froggy there's foam. Oh I, have Homo Gandhi. Vengeance starting your. Ran In the morning show. Danielle. If you feel a cough coming on, well, you gotta nipped in the Bud with Vicks vapor rub it's that soothing sense. You never forget an instant feeling of calm and relief that only vicks vapor rub can bring in always here for you. In the morning show. Yeah. We rolled into the day. We've got a busy week My dog trainer will be on Thursday and Sean no never mind. Forget, I said anything. Hey. Welcome to the day. Astound you yes please. Did you know? Scary Yeah Jimmy Music for this. Can you stop chewing? What are you eating? Eating eating trail mix but I'm gonNA stop eating I need music for this I'm okay I'm swallowing homosexual guard can you swallow and work at the same time I know I can Talented Man Morton. No, it's time to astound you. Going to be like a shut up did you know? Yes, the reason we capitalize the letter I is because writers in the thirteenth and fourteenth centuries thought the lower case I looked to week for what it represented it was representing you. There you go. I know you're good for a small I. Did you know. People in Costa Rica are only allowed to drive six days a week to cut down on traffic and pollution. The last digit of your license plate number dictates what day you're not allowed on the road. Wow. I. Like that idea. Did you know? According to our sources, it's illegal to own a pet hamster in Hawaii. The climate is too good for hamsters. So, if it ever escaped, they would start wild colonies it would devastate. Hawaii's beautiful native crops okay. Here you. Did you know not a single NBA player has ever had the Jersey number sixty nine. I'd. No one told me to shut up on that one. Did you know? Oh, here's a good one. Did you know there are twenty nine million tons worth of spiders on spiders on earth right now based on the amount they eat in theory those spiders could eat every single human on the planet in one year Stassia. What. Did you know a mattress doubles? It's weight after ten years of usage collecting dust and dust mites. Eat your skin. Shut up. and. There you go. Another round of did you All the Canadians are going to love our show. We sign on in. Toronto Monday. So we need we need to ramp this thing up when we win should we? Really training for the Big Day. Toronto raining we start Monday maybe like Monday morning. I cannot wait wait. Anyway let's get into the field goods with producer Sam hey producers. Sam. What do you have today? All right. So a bunch of listeners sent me this story I had to freak and feature it already pulled on my heartstrings. There's an eighty nine year old man in Roy Utah has named his Derwin. Nui and he works harder than any man his age should have to he lives alone and he can't afford to pay his bills on social security. So He's a pizza delivery guy for a Papa John's and at his job he's gotten pretty close to a guy named Carlos Valdez and his family who orders from him a lot and he says it's not because. The pizza is just the best in town. It's because of Derwin he just loves his interactions with them. This guy is so sweet and he's gotten a lot of attention on tiktok because of it because Carlos is always sharing their interactions. Well, Carlos is really sad that Dylan has to work thirty hours a week just to pay for his basic needs. So he decided to ask the Tick Tock community for a little bit of support and with the help from his followers, they managed to raise over twenty twelve thousand dollars for Derwin and made the trip to his house to bring him the check and I have a quick little clip of his reaction right year. Which scary forgot do not forget it this. Trump talked. To say, oh, just so sweet you've got to check out the video. It's at Elvis Duran DOT COM and every once in a long island telling you social media blows goodness out of the water and that was one of the examples. So thank you everyone who sent the story over and you have a story that deserves to be featured email me, Sam Elvis, Duran, dot, com, subject minefield goods. What's for dinner? Oh. Good question. How something with Halliburton I've got a lot of that leftover from. Allah you gotTa like. Tiny. Thank you producers same. Have a beautiful day. Okay. Have you guys love you more Daniel Ready to go coming up next YEP HAVE DEMI levato is Still talking about the home break-up. uncomfortable. All right that and more on the way after this. But the Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. Chelsea handler. Hey, this is Taylor swift. Hey, what's going on? This is Brennan from panic at the disco. Elvis Duran Elvis Duran and the morning show. Hey, here's what you do. Call your friend. I'm coming over with surprise here on National Coffee Day okay. Coffee when you get there, instead have a big box of Taco bells nachos. Surprise. Love that always keep them guessing I say Taco. Bells. NACHOS party pack. 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A lot of people want to go out and save a lot of money on a bed because it's no big deal because they're not gonNA show off that bed to their friends that bad is. Something Sleep Pin, and you need your most comfortable moments in your toilet. You WanNa toilet that flushes correctly that removes all the stuff you want to remove. You don't think about you don't want to think about your toilet. You just want to sit there and do your business and leave and it doesn't John Right. Yes. So don't don't go cheap on your toilet go by. The Mercedes Benz of toilets. To know if I can do that Elvis interest, the Mercedes Benz of toilets caused literally as much as a Mercedes mercedes-benz now, they don't stop. The one toilet I sat on, it had a remote control. It basically talked to you. It was nine thousand dollars need that you need that you do need a nice a nice a nice toilet experience but all I'm saying is when you? Okay, we'll talk about when you flush, you want everything to go down you. Anything too late start circling and hanging. Here's the thing. Here's the thing because they had these toilets sitting in the showroom, right? Right. How do you know that? How do you know what's GonNa Swamp? They should Try. To be fair, you probably should be able to try them out because you should I'm looking at colours toto's you would want to try it out after somebody else tried it out. Well, they should have like demo mud next to the toilet. Gandhi necessary. Last night and froggy. Maybe you can help me out too because I was reading the reviews. I'm torn between a toto and a colour. Todos could but I'll tell you into Elvis's defense I have three toilets in my house but I replaced the one that I use the most with a really good one. So that I know that there's always one toilet that is never going to give me an issue and that is this like the industrial strength. No matter what happens it's all going down. You don't want. One, you don't want an issue with your tissue. And I will say that I used to this toilet I gotta go find one and I'm sure it's the most economic. It has no ecology worth. Whatsoever I mean it was a double swallow. Have you seen these? Burn. You. You. Do Your Business and you had flush it with the handle it would go. and. It would go down and it would the water a comeback into. It would flush it twice. Didn't see that on Grindr reduced. Known for something. I'm reading right now just to just to wrap this up. So I started reading the reviews and I mean some people really rip apart these toilets because there's people that buy them, they don't work, and then they go on and write a bad review. So this guy wrote wanted it was titled Crappy Crapper and talked about how whatever you put in the toilet which swirl around and make marks. Tell, you could really sink the toilet industry if you actually read these review why no? Good. Then read those reviews but like Scotty be. Cheap cheap stir up there. It's like I spent four fifteen on toilet four dollars fifteen cents. Go what are spend so much money. That's right. I know what that toilet is not a good bad toilet listen all based on your pipes though what isn't it all based on your pipes? The houses pipes Duct isn't it isn't it? The the pipe takes the stuff down. All Ano- we we go full throttle with toilets beds, laptops, three of the most important things in your life, and these are three things. You don't share with other people unless you're in the bed. It was what you know when I was in the market for a new toilet two years ago. I was reading advertisements and the champion four was listed and it was billed as swallowing eight entire bucket of golf balls in one gulp there you. By the way I. Don't know what you're what you're what you're eating. What's in your Diet you know why? Are, you need that I bought it based on that I never put it to its limit test. It's limits but I'll tell you well, pretty damn good. I think American. Standard does the champion. That's correct. That's their line. That's the one wait. How much did you spend on a couple of hundred dollars? It was really it wasn't as expensive as Todos and you're you're flushing GAFA. I was afraid to let a coin go down my toilet I stuck my hand in after it. Dollar Scotty. Happens. Scottie Hey Marissa online twenty two has a secret about toilets looks you'll find out we love toilet experts. Marissa. So glad you found us today. So what's what's your toilet secret? Well, my dad worked in the plumbing and heating industry for thirty years and wholesale, and so he was very familiar with every toilet under the Sun He started working home depot now that he's almost seventy works part-time there the glacier bay toilet from home depot. The top was double flush glacier bay absolutely rocks and he has seen every toilet. Have has to two buttons on top one for a full swallow in one for a half swallow. Right. Here. Why is that such a great toilet other than the fact you can choose your swallow? Watches really well, and he's like he's done all the flesh test. He was out in our garage, hooking it up with a hose showing us before you even plugged in how good it flushes. He was super excited about it. But we can solve it and it's incredible and it was like I. Think it was under two hundred dollars and he is put it up against every top rated toilet out there. So. If a toilet named glacial something, I'm afraid it's going to be ice cold when I sit on it. Glacier Bay glacier. Bay. Good if you're penguin. Look for thank you. You Tell Your father said thank you as well. Marissa in. I love fact you got on our show and this is what you're talking about I. Know I've been trying forever so. In a one of our textures reminds everyone as Alex's done in our house, you gotta replace all those those live. That will eat you with those soft closing lids. Nothing clothing with broke did the replace it or not that? Much Cushion your because when you sit on it, it goes see. Yeah, there's nothing worse than getting up into the night and going for whatever, and you just close a toilet spam. I. Santa Bring me a soft closing toilet see. Adam is online twenty. He is a plumber. Adam as well. Let's let's find out Adams consult on this high atom. We're doing. Okay. So from plumbers point of view, you see all sorts of tortoise we should listen we have to say, what is your favorite brand you're? You're sending nate toward. I would definitely say it's definitely better than the caller. Id. Tour, why would you not use toto dorothy dog and the wizard of? Oz I, mean spelled a little differently. But anyway, what is it about Koto? I mean they just don't clog as much or what's the deal? Well they they don't. They already qualities much their their conference if you know what I mean. I mean close. I mean, like I said I'm so we've had a lot of problems with those. Okay and that's the reviews I was reading a lot of reviews. And it said Kohler. Problems Toto generally a lot less maintenance Adam talk about. A stall. Okay. Good. See. It's so good for your plumber to. The interesting clogs that you've come across. Maybe we learn something it. Seems like to me? It's obvious what you should or should not put down a toilet butts off. Through I just WanNa scene was someone through coffee and that's A lot of people don't realize coffee grinds up probably the worst thing throw down in your promises they don't break down. Is that why? They don't break down they don't they just clog up like a ball of mess. So just ended up being on your hard rock. Can You dispel the myth about disposable wipes? They really aren't all that disposable. Don and toilet. That's the worst thing to do. It that way boy. You end up having a big mess. Is Better. It's your toilet. I'd be very selective with what you put in there I. seriously they say flushable long, but they don't listen to them there. What did you? What about tampons because my sister moved into a house like a couple years ago and they had so many problems with the toilet plumber came it was filled with Tam answered your own question do not put Tampon. This disposal. By the same thing. Happened they just sit there and the water and take up all the mess. They just ended up sitting there and I tell you should. You should be very picky about what you put in your toilet. It needs to be something from your body. In that you produce or or a toilet paper that's made for toys, and even then you should be using of that stuff. You know what? I should be a plumber with you. Do Great Job I'm with you Adam. Thank you for your direction. Thank you for your your consultation. We appreciate it have a nice day okay. There you go. There you have it. Toilet Talk. Are we done? Can we move on different type talk? We call the Danielle report. That is not. Daniel, what's going on today last night on dancing with the stars it was Disney night, which is one of my favorite nights of the year Carol Baskin took to the dancefloor dressed like a lion of course as she danced to the lion king and somebody did the home at the end of the night I'm not gonNa tell you who who it was because I don't want upset chip you dvr already did. I did. Not. Did Not at all Prince William and Kate's son. Prince George. got a prehistoric shark tooth from David attenborough for his seventh birthday or well. Now, the people of Malta wanted back for the prime minister is saying that it needs to be displayed in a local museum and they want to give a back. So I don't know. Okay you get back. Demi Levato ex-fiancee is still claiming. That they are still together. He says, things haven't officially ended. He took the instagram story series of messages which have been deleted by the way he deleted them before they disappeared and he said, please stop trying to thank you next me for I'm just a human being who has to go work tomorrow and I have families and kids relying on me and he says and we're in real time I. Love Her if you're reading this I love you always and he is totally convinced that things are still going on there so I don't know I guess time will tell and we'll see what happens s and dynamite spend a second week at number one on the Billboard Charts And also is from number two number one on the billboard global two hundred, which is big for them, and by the way the record label big hit entertainment is valued at four point one, billion dollars it's member has a share of the label worth eighty, million dollars they each member of bts. Boom went up eight million dollars. Absolutely and Your K pop group Black Pink has a new single. That's coming out on Friday from their album, which will be dropping very soon, and they have a documentary on Netflix coming out October fourteenth. So that will be cool Cardi B. to make more money from wasp she's got a clothing line. She's got a jewelry line. She's got backpacks, handbags and fanny backs and all kinds of other things coming out with the WADA name on it. I don't know if you're going to buy any but. Kids Bop. Bop. Rowdy so that to me. I hope Garrett's is gonNA play it he. Will find it for you we have to starving. Gomez was talking about. Her Song Love you to love lose you to love me and she said that was the most difficult song for her to record hardest part for me to sing the song was the bridge. It's the ending of the song that's just the part where it's like you know I guess this is goodbye forever for us and that killed me and she just said he really was tough to. Write that Song tonight on television. It's all about the presidential debate going on their specials about it, and then you have the debates that's going on the wing. The Weakest Link is actually debut in tonight with Jane Lynch the new one that's on little people big world series premiere, the season premiere of that. I know you're still love and the boys you finish that one and Rono. Voice Finish. Finish the great last night I love that I'm so sad the first the first season's over a loved the great so much. And I was so watching ratchet on Netflix's and honestly it is getting even better as you go along you may want to pick that up as well and that's my daniels. A show is great. When they start doing spinoff they're actually doing a boy's spinoff. Yeah, cool. Yeah. Badger toilets I love this Erica three one, five techs only thing that goes in your toilet the four P.'s P. Poop poop in paper. That's it. Okay. I love also people are texting in a yelling at each other fighting over toilet brands. There's there. So locked into their brand, they're defending their own brand of toilet. American standard. Our family. It's American. Kids in my family it's been American standard. Then the color people like screw the American standard color is always the best. Frie- Frank is online twenty four and let's see what he's up to hello frank. Welcome to Tuesday what's going on Frank. I were you were doing well, what can we do for you? Well. Let's see last night. I finally download it audible and the very first book tonight dominated was Elvis's book. Yeah I only got. A wake up early obviously and I only heard the first chapter. and I can't wait to listen to more. I would say it's a page Turner. No in the air opener. Opener audible. Don't you get your first title for free? So you got that one complimentary right? Is that true? Yeah. Actually. Use Prime so I got twelve free credits or something. Is Yes. We love a smart audible person. Hey, you know what you know what else is out today is the new Mariah Carey Book which I'm going to crank up on audible to frank is that's going to be an ear opener I can't wait. Yeah I think I think that's when I'm going to get one also. We'll listen thanks for supporting audible you're GONNA, have a lot of fun. There's so much stuff you can listen to on there that it's not even in book form I'd like there's meditation and there's all sorts of stuff anyway. Thank you listen for listening. Frank. Have a great day. Enjoy your your book. Love you guys thank you so much. Thank. You know it's kind of weird. You know. Charlemagne. The God put out his first book several years ago. And he said know when you put your book out, people are going to constantly be buying it is it's not just in the beginning and then they stop he said you'll be hearing from people for years. They just picked up your book today I'm like. Well. Thanks thanks for the read. I. May read it again. I. Forgot about what lies put him back. To remember those thing. So you Danielle so today Mariah is is arriving audible and or if you order the book, the books arrive at Your House today. So interested he mariah story as. We should take a break. We'll be back after this. Part of the next conversation where watching everything you text to fifty, five, one, hundred. Now you're on the radio talking about it, which is my favorite thing ever. Derek's ply. Durant in the morning show others look a lot different these days but whatever you're doing Taco bells nachos party pack will bring the fun they're loaded with all your favorite toppings. So there's enough for everyone they're available for a limited time at participating Taco Bell near you. Least Story. Okay I want you to do me favor. Pulled your hand out in front of you and look at the back of your hand the top of your hand. That's your hand. Yeah. Okay. This is interesting. I was reading this earlier this morning I read it here. Okay. York University in Toronto our new favourite city. Believe it or not they did a study. In even though you look at your hands every day. Since, you've been born been looking at your hands because of that, you probably cannot pick your hands out of a lineup. What no way I could do it I. I could according to Okay because I'm prompting you. According to this new study, people really don't know what the backs of their hands look like the researchers say it could be because we see them so much typing holding steering wheels whatever it's just rare that we actually look at study them. They looked at distorted pictures of the backs of hands. Then they tried to adjust them till they. The right size and people really had trouble figuring out the right proportions of their hands. And they think is because we we see them like you said all the time we take them for granted. Yes nate. So that expression is crap. The back of my hand. Exactly. You know what? Next time someone says Oh don't listen to them. Listen to me I knew it like the back of my hand you say, well He. told me. You don't know crap the back of your hand you don't know anything. But the back of your hand. I thought that was interesting. How many people are addicted to caffeine me here on National Coffee Day National Dunkin Day going on. I never knew I was addicted until this past Saturday I said we don't have to have coffee today. Let me see what happens. And then I started thinking about it. It was like I really could use a cup of. Coffee. And then I kept saying, stop it stay away from the curie stay away from the whatever that machine is. And So finally, I did it I went in there and got it. My girl. Detox right now, and that's one of the things she had to give up and she said I could give up all the food in the world everything that they had me not eat carbs sugar block I cannot give up my coffee again it's killing me. Well. Here's what's going to change me about coffee is the taste in how you make it. If you use A, you actually use your own ground coffee and you use like a really great delong decent that. The flavor is so much different than just putting a pod. I mean, that's is too easy it actually but now they they have coffee makers. Now it's along coffee makers that make it easy to use actually actual ground coffee so i. don't drink it because the drug I drink it because of the taste well, two cups a day Hey. That's the only reason I drink coffee is because I like the taste of it, but I can't take more than three six in the morning because I get jittery and become crazy. So when people like to slam it I'm so impressed by the ones he can do that. So a coffee ten, seventy, five percent of the Caffeine Americans take incomes from coffee. Sixty six more women. Women sixty two percent of men drink coffee every day. The average coffee drinker put down three coffees a day. I can't drink coffee one o'clock because I'll be up all night. We drink about one hundred and forty six cups of coffee every year. Not as individuals, but as a collective company country. Yes. Scary. Last week I had that experiment where I decided to have two cups of coffee instead of one. That was bad. Remember you guys were accusing me of bouncing off the walls you? Can Call. Bouncing terrible I limit myself to the eight ounces but I pour the Dunkin beans inside the grinder for the delong at it is beautiful every morning. I thank you to wait. Well, Anyway So excited about a my next cup. I'M GONNA go for a second cup just to screw it up. Yes Gandhi you drink coffee. No only just a couple of sips because it pushes me over the edge. I do like the tasting coffee ice cream is my favorite ice cream but Duncan today is actually giving you a free hot or cold medium coffee with any purchase in honor of National Dunkin days. So if you're heading that way, you can get a coffee, Roller Duncan I like my Caramel Lante. But I have to say to them please put skim milk and the other day somebody did not put skim milk and that was not good. I almost I almost didn't make. Totally honest that double swallow toilet. Yes I. Can we google derby double swallow toilet I need that I'm looking at. Kristen online twenty four has to disagree with this This research project that came Toronto. Yes Kristin. You can or cannot recognize the backs of your hands. I can because I have. What I call the Meghan, socks them, I don't know if anyone's ever ever noticed. I refer to them as Megan Fox slums I talk with like one short like wide, dumb. I have two of them. Toes. Your. Special hands as they call them. Laugh. It's right. She does have those toe fingers. It's big. Toe Her one dollars. Each one shirt in one regular on at least I'm. Your. Some your toe thumb have a good day. So you always know your your hands have a have a great day. Thanks for listening to us. Okay. Yes rocky. See I. Think I would know my hands because I like fat Shrek hands. So I think that unless they put a bunch of other people with fat Shrek hands in there, I would notice my hands like put normal hands and mind I would say, Oh yeah, those are mine. I'm sitting here looking at the back of my hand I don't. I. Don't recognize these hands. These are not my hands. Someone else's. The Toronto experiment actually worked with me. All right. Excuse me. It was getting to the to the three things you need to know I'm sure the headline tonight it's a presidential debate night I've I don't know if I I I'm dying to watch. But at the same time I don't where is this going to go tonight? I think it's GonNa leave us all feeling of it emptier than before but we might as well, just watch it. You're right. You're absolutely right. We need to watch this tonight. Your three things we need to start right there. President trump and Joe. Biden are GonNa Square off tonight in their first debate, Fox News Sunday Co.. Host. Chris Wallace is going to be moderating. It will be in Cleveland. It'll be ninety minutes and they're going to cover six topics, the trump and biden records the supreme court, the coronavirus, the economy race in violence in US cities in the integrity of the upcoming election can turn concerning. There's something wrong with me today maybe I do need coffee. Four Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron's office say that a recording of the grand jury proceedings and the Briana Taylor case will be made public today. This is all happening after a grand juror filed a motion to release the transcripts and recordings related to the investigation. and. Finally, this might be my favorite story of the month five parrots at a zoo in the UK had to be put into isolation after cursing out all the visitors apparently when they were adopted, they were put into a room together. They're African grey parrots and while they were in this room together, they taught each other how to curse the staffers thought it was hilarious and. Loved it but how to take swift action when they started using obscenities on guests? So now they're in a little time out until they clean up their language, those are your three things. Can you delete link bad language from a parrot I don't know how that works I. Don't know how you would do that unless you just reward them for better words I have no idea. Daniel. For years and we just can't get her stuff. It's a problem. Excellent. Thank you. Gandhi. Twenty five dollars free money phone tap coming up for this. I just think this whole thing is crap. Elvis ruin in the morning show. So. 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Ever been so an on the air and they were talking like in the studio by themselves at rotation late at night and someone comes in and breaks in like radio talking like. So please help me. There's somebody here in the studio I'll. Identify Yourself. Why are you here for me? I. Don't I don't know why they talking dumb accent. As soon as a murderer approaches me talking like this, please please. Humanity. Let me live. Let me leave. We on the radio. Murdering Katherine Hepburn here in my. I'm in the wrong decade I've got go. No you'll get on that Hossen GOCO. Yes for you what I don't know why I read this. But I read somewhere that if you were to have like a home invasion or somebody was to try to do something that the best thing. To do is for you to just start taking your clothes off and get naked that you will freak them out and know there's something wrong with you in the league. What would you do if they're already naked now way? I'll get no. That would. That's a good idea because if I saw if they saw naked body. They never. Feel not a great idea for women leave your clothes on try to run away. Yeah. Maybe you should. Try, he's bad advice theater starring. Watching last night after dancing with the stars emergency call on ABC. So it's its actual emergency dispatchers and get to see what they go through and the calls that they get, and there was one woman that got a call about a bear and it was like you know bound to attack someone and I learned if it's Brown lay down if it's black fight back, that's what I learned. About White Die Right. They said L.. Gun If he's white good night. That's what they. If a bear comes in I got you elvis. Talk. Black fightback and Brown lay down and white. No lay down I'm sorry. Brown bear. Have to work for this dinner. Lord Oh it stinks a dog take a crap. Oh. How come you? God it's awful. potty trained. Yeah, he's He. Do have pads and house just in case but. Go in the pant. He went on a pad but not the poop head it's the pad that has the Peleton on top of it. Oh He's getting worse too. I gotTA GOTTA he figures nobody's using the Palatine. Why not? If I wasn't working. I mean I would have taken him out like a good dog owner. You know I'm. GonNa tell you what I can't wait to get your phone. Calls I'm putting that dog cried. Yesterday with the bearded Dragon, he crept guide on the wrong in this smell was on. I'm sorry. Logs. Let's move on. Thank you. Thank. God you guys you got how do each other stop it? What are you eating? Peanut Butter Sandwich but I just worried about what you were claiming that's. Your well being you worry about your peanut butter. Jelly Sandwich. Gross. Anyway. We gotTA hurry. You get into this twenty five dollars. If you're caller one, hundred, you win. Thank you scary for sponsoring. He vetoed all the money just to Scottie Scottie we'll mail you the cash. Be Caller one, hundred. That's all we had twenty five dollars one, eight, hundred, two, four, two, zero hundred who does the phone tap today Danielle Hero. Elvis Randy Elvis durant phone tap Danielle. What's your phone tap all about bubbles the clown is a little sick for a four year. Old's birthday party that bubbles is supposed to be performing ad. So bubble out bubbles is going to call the parents to let them know that even though I not feeling well, I'm still going to Xiaohua. Idea bubbles. Hello. I. Speak to. Mr Kirk Leeann please. Skirts. Hi It's bubbles bubbles the cloud for the party tomorrow Oh. Hey, how you? Do a really good I'm so excited about your four year olds party. I can't wait to be there. You got a little cold there lot. Listen you sound like you're just you sound like a coffee and you got a little cold Yeah I think it's allergies or something. It's really weird but I'm so excited I have all these blue edibles ready to go. down. We have so much fun. Are you sure that the that they don't want somebody? Allergies you're going to be. I mean you probably GonNa get germs everywhere this these are kids they. They've the weakened immune system. died it's five because when I call. was bungalows like that. Here in you can even here like what? Your germs in your voice even like its don't his allergies that's all it is is a little. Bit. Allergies, allergies no. This is not. Everyone uses the whole I m allergies excuse before if you bring germs over here, I've already had one kid for two weeks and then you're GONNA have we're GONNA preschool host. Played Party. Let me finish you're. GonNa. Call anybody I swear ad. Glued. Edibles I do face. Tattoos. Bajic the school they everybody. Here everyone knows that they're going to be here at our house he'll. Wind up sick I'm GONNA the next PTA meetings going to be a disaster kids love bubbles to cloud and I'm going to blow yourself. You sound like you're making snot bubbles right now. No curb beat is service some somebody else over here. Everybody's booked up. Old Party tomorrow current and everybody's booked up so it has to be a bunch. Of money for this it's fine. Everything will be fine. I'll just get there at all introduced by so we'll get a barney or we'll get something. Nobody do those body is at? The Bachelor Party that I did last night by that I had a cold you. You Bachelor Party here a stripper of to besides the cloud. GonNa. Do the same day get close party that I did last I believe the same thing I'm not an idiot I. don't my pig pong balls to kids party I i. WanNa, Talk To. Or? A river. Over there, you call me back. And You can't get your deposit back. Did you read the fighters? No no deposits back the show. Let's go over and. Arrested, know you wanted to ruin a whole bunch of kids day you show and they will get bubbles the arrests four, hundred, ninety, two performances that I'm not gonNA. 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Enjoy your cash man I. Wish we had more, but we don't know times tough. But twenty five dollars it used to be scared. Now it's going in your pocket okay man. Awesome. I'll take it. Thank what he's doing much. What are you doing today Scott? What's on your list of things to do Well. I'm the sixth grade school teacher. Teaching. My kids here at school and on recording lessons for the other half at home. Why know that? It's a very challenging time. Scott. But you know what? Thanks to you. Oliver, educators it's it's it's it's an hopefully work in you know you're doing your best. We appreciate it very much. So thank you so much. You know what? I can't let you walk away with twenty five dollars. That's not good. You know September is national friendship month and we're celebrating our one of our favorite brands along either best friends. Were there other favorite brand Braun and they have these great multi serve coffee makers I'm GonNa send you one of these. and. 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Bless how sweet is that? So a Robert Pattinson opened himself up for a lot of criticism when he decided starring Batman, you know how that goes. But he said he is totally cool with it. He even admitted that he's enjoying the idea that could totally mess the whole thing up walked. Yeah. Batman fans are not going to be happy about that if it gets messed up, that's for sure. Exception of Christian Bale. Haven't they hated every Batman ever along Michael Keaton. Blake Shelton invited some foster kids to join him for Dave fishing on one of his farm ponds and Oklahoma. It was through a program called fostering outdoor Oklahoma families. The pictures were just released. I don't think it was recent I. think he did this a while back but but it's really cool to see that he did that and he opened his his house up to people CNN shared a story about the generosity of. Chadwick Bozeman, he wanted her to star in twenty one bridges with him. So what did he do? He ended up donating part of his salary to make sure she was paid fairly she said that was the first time anyone had done that for just shows you what an amazing person he was and everybody keeps saying that. So if you haven't heard that, he should do some research into some cool things that he did Let. a pandemic a house party got crazy I thought I was going to see scary some of these pictures but I didn't on the ended up on Porn Haub there was nudity torquing there was even a cucumber guys that. The clemson the cucumber had good time at this party. It was only over Labor Day on your salad. It costs fifty two hundred at cost fifty to one hundred dollars to get into this party. But if you're a lady and you came topless, you've got in for free lucky you lot. Time exactly. K I is he's big on Youtube. He's big on music and boxing. He's The guy who boxed Logan Paul in one. So now he says that he can beat Mike Tyson right now. That Mike Tyson is Will it happened I don't know if you have never listened to case is music is actually pretty cool. Let it tonight's the night. The presidential debate is going down. There's a lot of specials beforehand if you WanNa, watch it, I know this is two thousand twenty special as well. A Love Island. You've got the weakest link with Jane leached Jay Lynch Jane Lynch, the series Premiere of that tonight little people big world this season premiere there. and. You know you can always watch netflix because there's tons there's tons coming to net flex. I'm going to talk about that next hour. Hey interesting question on the text messages. You know how we love our educators. We love anyone everyone that has to do with education is not just teachers. It's everyone that's in the system, right? Question. If you're an educator, what subject would you teach or what job would you WanNa have like a school counselor or a principal feature? Interesting question have you ever thought about if you're a teacher what you'd want to teach or if he worked in a school or school system, what you would want to do to support What about you? FROG. Would want to do like home aker like teach how to fix things stuff like that because I enjoy doing that kind of stuff and I would like to teach people that. All right. Right down hold on a frog is going to work. He didn't do woodshop. Woodshop? I'm good with that which they still have those. They still haven't woodshop schools I did woodshop you're good with would. Trusted. US With all those tools like we definitely heard ourselves doing all kinds of things I'm sure what about you Gandhi? I don't have to be qualified for it right because I would want you need to be qualified for. You, qualified okay. I would want to teach science I. Think I think it can be either really boring or super entertaining and if you can master science, it's like you are a magician you know magic there's all kinds of stuff. You know if you're listening to this conversation right now I guess you are if you're hearing me say this. Think about it. What what would you want to do in the education system? It really says a lot about you. You know it really does what about you Daniel I would run the theatre program, a half to school activity I'm sure but it's important and they always get rid of like the music theater programs I. So i WanNa make sure that that sticks around because it's so important for the kids scary. Come on Mr Scary I WanNa be a gym teacher. Walk with you one time and almost died because. To teach the kids like, Hey, this is how you play this sport and You don't have to do I know in theory at a player remember Johnny Elvis. And he said, yeah He would become qualified okay. You're radically so be coach from now on your known as coach scary. From. Teachers don't participate all the time in their activities. Kids and religious want to blow the whistle. Or Media? Mass Media. What about? Straightening. I would I would be a history teacher. During school hours, and then like Danielle I would do the drama program after hours. Ago Drama Queen. I WanNa, do something with. A something like an agriculture thing, I would want to be cool to kids out to teach them how to build a garden or Is there something like that I don't know you could do the culinary one to some places have the culinary classes in the store. I was also thinking I love history I just really love history. You know in this day and age caused the other day we're talking about this how we're learning how different parts of the country use different histories, history stories L. Yeah. The same company that puts out the same exact looking history book. It's written differently for different areas of the country. So Shady. Shady I was because of that I would probably hesitate but taking kids out and. Putting their hands in the soil, teaching them, how I would need to learn because I'm not qualified to learn I kill everything I get near but this is no offense but teaching Jim is like Danielle teaching driver's Ed I don't. Want. Skip down. Be Really Fun to teaching an art class that would be awesome to get kids get to be creative and find themselves in. That would be amazing. You know what? The question worth answering on your own. So think about it. You've got all day Let's take a break. We're back after this. Elvis. Now. Audible gives you so much more listen all. You want to thousands of included podcasts, audiobooks, audible originals, and more for a limited time. Prime members get fifty dollars off their first year of an audible premium plus annual membership get started at audible dot com slash l.. 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Always makes me laugh. I, mean I just I can't get enough of it makes my left. I. Don't even notice that I'm sitting in traffic. I wake up to the show every day literally listen all the time it uses up all my. Interaction they really seem to genuinely love each other. It'd be Biden's. Saran in the morning show, we do genuinely love each other. Do you can't tell sometimes. We're family we bitch and Moan at each other all the time but if anyone else pitches moans about us. Not Allowed go ahead no. Go ahead. Not Allowed not allowed. Hey. So you gave us your headlines free around the room except for a scary hope you have around the room ready to go. We'll start with you scary. What's on your mind today? You know I've tried to get into Tiktok. You know that I've I've been I've watched tax, but I've now been tried to actively do these dances. CAN'T DO IT I've? Looked like schmuck. One I put. So I'm just GONNA. Sit There Levi on the sidelines watching tiktok and not participating. That is. Lies. I'm so proud of it's just I don't know. If you. WanNa, send me all your practice attempts though I would love to see. You come on. Now that I think about it I think we wanNA watch you try. Yeah. Come on scary. Get frustrated trying to pick up moves I try. To? Do. Not. have. Not Happening. I. Look at this even start with the opening jump kick please let's do this hearing you say. On tectonic aren't art be what's up with you today. Okay. So over the weekend. The music down a little scary as little hot little grew ahead Gandhi I'm sorry. Hello. Hi last week Danielle mentioned that Selena Gomez had posted a picture of herself with her kidney scar from getting her kidney transplant and I thought it was such a cool picture I love that she embraced it and I posted it on my instagram as well. Saying that this is awesome. The amount of listeners who shared their own stories about a scar that they have and how they were embarrassed by and seeing this photo is amazing for them I think. It's so important that people I like this kind of stuff and Selena Gomez really did a really good thing for so many people and I've been getting flooded with pictures of people scars and what they've gotten through and I love it because as we always say, a scar is a story of something you beat you got past an amazing story to have so good for all of you and thanks for making my weekend. It was great. I. CanNot believe you say that I love the fact that you said that scars are part of your story. Yeah. I was love love him always love your scars is a matter of fact, the other day when you discovered in your diary that you and your current boyfriend brand when you were kids used to make fun of the scar on his face, and now it's your favorite part of your favorite part of his body and as my favorite part of him kissing all the time I love that thing it's on his face and I, love it. There you go. What's up with you today? Well, yesterday I made fun of my wife or purchasing an egg cooker which I thought was the dumbest thing ever and Danielle said, she had one it was great and we had tons of listeners that text and and said it was fabulous and so last night I decided to try the egg cooker said cooker is so easy to use. It does make a perfect boiled egg and I had one this morning at least I had one I stand corrected I apologize it better than boiling it in a pot of water because it is much easier a very nice frog. Admit when I'm wrong barely and this is one of those rare cases where yes. I was wrong and I'm sorry about an egg cooker. Good I'm glad you got that off your chest Hey Danielle what's up with you today. So yesterday, we went to big lots which is like one of those big stores that has all kinds of different stuff in every furniture they've got food whatever they had three different aisles four. Different holidays. So they have following I'll, which was I think the next aisle was Thanksgiving I'll which was great and then they even had a Christmas I'll already. I'll yes from Thanksgiving y'all yeah. They had lots of stuff. I couldn't believe I've never seen so much stuff for Thanksgiving. I was a pilgrim stuff. Copious. Gathered together signs up, but it was awesome and it just made me so happy because especially this year I know a lot of us say. The holidays come. So early and Blah Blah. Blah. This year especially I feel like we need it. We read something bright and cheery and make to make us happy in the music and the lights and say it just made me. So happy yesterday I did buy a couple of things which. I think in our podcast, I will play one of them. Will. We should do them. We should show and tell them are fifteen minutes. Okay cool. Can you show until today on fifteen minute morning show podcast great something interesting please. hour ago one hour ago. This is interesting something kind of behind the scenes thing one hour ago we were talking about nate and toilet shopping. We're talking about you know you need toilets that suck everything down and remove everything from your bathroom whenever now everyone's yelling about the fact we didn't talk about elongated bowls. That another question I have okay. Here's the thing. We have some stations that listen to us an hour delayed right so they're just now getting the toilet conversation survey. This conversation was won't have for them for another hour. So I'm looking at the text messages. Thank you for being huge supporters of our educators Elvis. Thank you so much for talking about this and that, hey, what about elongated toilets elongated toilet? It's Oalvil Bowl right? Rather than around it's past. Most elongated. It's not a perfectly round circle. It's longer which allows for a little more comfort as you sit there exact it depends how big you are. Though because as a smaller person, those elongated toilets I can fall in and that's kind of dangerous. Okay. Well, something to consider. I Okay I you long gated meant that if you had a longer thing, it had more room for. No, it's not no well, that could tackle that too I. Guess. It hit the bottom. Line on. A pocket or something which soup from the boys was that off. Sausage sausage. Though okay. So sausage would have to get an extra elongated. Okay. So that has nothing. It's just a longer. With the size of your Weiner. Okay. This says that it gives men more space where they need it. Does. Not. Like the total reason, right because I went to my parents had an old house and it had a little small toilet and trying to cram everything to sit down with a lot more work. Many advantages to having elongated and that's one of them's put it that way you feel good I don't need it so I mean. I don't pay extra for that, right? Your guests come over needs day care about them. Okay. But turned sideways. Talking about toilets two hours in a row. A little more news on our new Toronto. Station that signs on Monday we actually the station's already there. It's called Proud FM. It's this fantastic station. The music is I love the music and the station was born I think back in two thousand seven. If I'm not mistaken, it's been around for a while and. It was all based on the foundation of being an LGBTQ station for Toronto Right. In. So we were. We're so honored. We were asked to be the morning show and we start Monday. So we were on the phone conference call yesterday, nate night with our friend from Toronto on our friends from here in the states and you know. Putting together in just let you in on the story. There were a lot of things that are unique to this station not only is it an lgbtq focused radio station, the music fun and festive as you can imagine, and they're allowing us on but being in Toronto being in another country. I, there are some differences there are things we have to rethink in contesting I. Don't think we can have a contest here in the states and they can play along Toronto but whatever. We're earning that all out. But so last night I was listening to it. It's not on the iheartradio. APP. Yet I think it's on the tune in. If you go. To Proud FM TORONTO DOT com you can say listen now the music fantastic way to you hear this. So I was sitting there listening to music and all of a sudden here. Hi I'm Elvis Duran I'm Daniel Minero and Gundy. It was it was us. thinking. I don't know I. Wish I was high and I wasn't. The thought of hearing our voices on a station in another country. You say it was a cell. Cool. So I'm so stoked about this me too me too and. I. Hope we do. Well I think. Well I. Think. We'll do very well, but you know I. Keep asking him out. Nate keeps saying stop doing that. I'm like you really want our show. Have you. It's important to be sure. I. Know We've had station sinus on without really listening to our show and they're like, what are you doing? That you should've listened you shouldn't on your homework is. When someone's getting married someone in the other family goes you sure you WANNA marry into this family the. IDEA. Do Anyway we're we're so excited to be on. We're going to be the proud morning show and proud FM. In Toronto in that begins Monday if you can. Do a search for Proud FM Toronto and you go to the website and listen now you can hear the music it's really good. Yes. Scary. What so I was just I had a mind blown moment when you had mentioned that Toronto is the number four largest city in North America it is. New York L. A. Chicago Toronto Toronto Toronto yes. Exactly, I know. That I am too and so you to keep in mind with what we do for a living I. Love the feelings I get when, for instance, listening to Z one hundred in New York being in Miami. With the beautiful ocean and the architecture and the people in the food and the culture and listening to y one hundred I love being in Oh my God being in Des Moines it reminds me of the Iowa State Fair listening to kiss being Philly, my all my old neighborhood fourth and spruce listening to the station that fired me the right bastards. But now I'm back on there. Being in Cleveland listening to kiss or being in Richmond listening to Q. I mean you all these wonderful cities and towns that were on in? And now we'll be able to fly over the border when they welcome us to be in Toronto listen to US There Yeah Gandhi what do you think that's exactly how I felt about why one hundred in south Florida like I grew up listening to that and now that we're on over there and when I'm down there I hear US I'm like This is cool I. Like it. Yeah it's Nice. We used to just do one hundred New York, that was it, and that was great. That was awesome. Know New York is always going to be our home New York z one hundred is always going to be. Be Our home right but I really truly know for fact, at once we started beaming our show out. It made Z one hundred show better. I mean I think we're we're now. Lot more well rounded. And that's what you call us and well rounded. After, this covert crap I am. Cancel my physical today because I'm having the. The exterminator come out because of the yellow jacket problem whenever. I was like Oh thank God. I don't have to go stand on the Scales Office today. Oh. Do you do what? I do take off every like when I weigh myself in the morning I, take off every piece of jewelry. Always this watch might weigh a lot. Let me take that off this ring. Let Me Take Your eyelashes out please. Go overboard. Yes. Gosh being. Saint. Augustine. And driving through Jacksonville listening to ninety seven nine Kiss FM. Another great feeling that's were froggy is right now it's up frog. To the doctor the other day and they like it was the big scale they can get on. So I take my hat off phone in my pocket McKee's take my shoes off the lady says, do you WanNa just get undressed? I want this number to be a small hiccup possibly be with Istan not. All my skin would save a couple of. Left, arm off late over here. Do you. I always tell us drudge myself out taller because then my height to weight ratio is a little bit better. That's. Really, who do we think we're fooling no one there looking like, yeah, we know you. You you have. Proud FM pulled up right now I do I pulled it out because I wanted to see what was going on over there you guys WanNa hear. Dancy. Tassels the Sky Ian Von. Scary scary. Remember that was like the number one song on z one hundred on nine eleven castles in the sky. Fitting, why would we build castles in the sky and we lost two of our most beautiful Sky Castle's City that day. So so crazy that song yourself from the universe. This is going to be great. Yeah we can't wait anyway starts. Monday let's go back to toilets Twenty Four. Jd WanNA, talk about Toronto and all of our affiliates or elongated toilets. We have so many things on the topic trade today where do you WanNa go Let me Okay I love Toronto Great City if you've never been there go there, it's amazing. That fair. First things first, you know if you've never been go okay Along gated toilets. Yeah. If you are well endowed, you need an elongated toilet with a deep bowl. That's what you need. Wow, you need. You need in front of N. below you you need you need real estate lots of real estate in an. Because you don't want that same dipping. You're doing your business. The Room to be able to get in there. Yeah. I know exactly gentlemen. Blessed all the right places. Some would say. The lucky ones but say anyways a humble. But You Guys you know you don't want your chandelier in the water. Right, exactly what we're talking about. This is the thing about guys we have. We had stuff hanging out everywhere it's you do have to. Brass I guess I guess the equivalent of women would be breast. If you're if you're over your well endowed or whatever you've got gotta deal with it, you know and. anyways. Thank you. Thank you. Jay what's what's our favorite character? I love sausage sauces are you watching the boys on? Dime. They have one superhero I'm not going to give away his name is love sausage in. His superpower is. The along as his Weiner in chokes people. Around I had longer. You know love sausage has a very elongated both anyway a pleasure talking to you big have a beautiful day. Isn't it heavy to carry around like if it's bigger like look I, know what? With. Breasts like it's can hurt your back. It can her whenever does that like her? You. Know. These are so many ways to court sort of Brag, like scary said like, Oh, I have to get an elongated toilet because it just. Site going and buying. Buying. Those big big condoms. Long one is the Magnum of toilet. To check in your out at the home. Depot. We, gotTa get into the three things we need to know from Gandhi. Of course, TV, tonight's going to be a big night. What's going on Gandhi? All right. There will be six topics covered in the first debate happening tonight between president trump and Joe Biden. Those topics will be that trump and Biden records, the Supreme Court, the coronavirus, the economy race, and violence in US cities and the integrity of the upcoming election Chris Wallace who hosts Fox News Sunday will moderate the ninety minute debate happening in Cleveland and Cleveland has already called in the National Guard in an attempt to manage expected protests, the event will air across various networks starting at nine pm eastern tonight universal, universal health services is reportedly dealing with a ransomware attack that shutdown computers in about four hundred hospitals. And care centres mostly in the US, it's being called one of the biggest medical cyber attacks ever the company will only confirm that it's network is offline because of an unspecified security issue but according to sources the attack began over the weekend with nurses and other medical staffers said to be hand labeling medications and having to log their reports using pen and paper, and finally we talked about this a little bit go. But the Tampa Bay lightning are now Stanley Cup champions after beating the Dallas Stars in game six of the Stanley Cup final, the lightning earned their second comp in franchise history and froggy is excited for all things, Florida sports, and those are things or your three things Rebecca after this. Elvis three in the morning show CBS pharmacists have a proprietary search tool that analyzes ways to help lower your prescription costs come in or call today to get a free prescription savings review at CBS, savings vary not all patients eligible for savings ask pharmacists for details. is, Elvis, Duran, and the morning show. Hey, I'm about to get into sound with Garrett. Lots going on today with sound I. Love It when you bring sounded. What we do for living it's all about sound I love it. We can't do a segment with Garret Cullen. Look at this don't be awkward. Unless. It's in the fifteen minute morning show podcast I. Think we're going to do our famous show and tell today. I'm so excited I've go find one. Yesterday. I should show you the selection of fans that bought from. Amazon. Okay. God, he's out of his mind. This is get into it. Let's get into sound with Gary. Can. We talk about your mom? Yes. Let's. It's very exciting today. My mom goes for her last dialysis treatment and she's been doing dialysis now for over a little over a year three times a week three hours in a chair. It's very taxing on on anyone who goes through it. And today's her last treatment, and then she goes straight to the hospital ends sometime tomorrow afternoon she a kidney from a gentleman in Wisconsin. Now, at the same time, your sister will be giving up her kidney. And that king would be going to someone else. Yes. She did that three weeks ago. She gave a kidney to a twenty nine year old woman from New York who? Needed a desperately and She's now walking around with my sister's kidney and in turn my sister, my mom shot up the list wants my sister donated, and now it's my mom's turned to receive that kidney from Donaldson who's doing the same thing he's donating. Today's the day. The gentleman in another city is giving up his kidney and it's GONNA fly into New York and fly right into your mom. Your mom is going to be landing strip. It's a miracle. It really is a miracle pull this off I'm curious about the transfer its like does the person sit in like a like a jetblue flight does he go? Does he go private does? Does he get a helicopter I. Don't know. It's super interesting. Let us know. We'll listen all the best to your mom and your family. Okay Garrett. Let's get into sound. All right let's talk about dumb idiots of the day. So two guys are on the boat out the ocean and they thought they saw a shark a now a shark that only eats plankton doesn't bother humans basking shark. So they said, let's jump in Guy Jumps in and then they realize it might not be. A basking shark earner verse. Art. That's not a basking shark dude. Writer. A bunch of dudes in about one name writer decided to go. They could have turned into a totally different piece of sound right there by the way and they're laughing get the vote to. Go. All right. Let's talk about family guys. We haven't talked about that in a while that show it's still on and STU. We remember stories the baby that only. Brian, the dog can hear talk but not anymore because St Louis said his first word while the family was in church on Sunday today's coffee service will not include chewy chips or. Hey. His word and it was a swear. Dishes unacceptable. We have to leave right now and go straight to breakfast. Instead we. F word. Injuries I were excellent. Go. All right. This is a cool story. So if you follow Rex Chapman on twitter he posted this yesterday a Brazilian pianist. Lost the ability. Chicago a pianist. The problem with this zillion pianist going inist pianist he lost the ability to play the piano twenty years ago he had problems with his hands. So this is kind of cool. Someone made a biochemical gloves to help him play the piano. So this is him playing piano for the first time in twenty years. What Day for him Ha Yeah. That's so cool. Who's in the background? My daughter She's crying it was a touching story. Okay. All right. We're talking about the parodies of what that are hitting the Internet and people are saying here here's the new kids Bob version. So this is the one Gandhi we're talking about earlier in the show this is wings and pizza. Yeah we. Hungry. I can't stop no wings. GimMe bought a ranch. Put. Pizza Hut. And then there's another one called waffles and pancakes. Kids our. Kids. Seven days a week off muscles in paying cakes oh that serum made me. These. WAFFLES and pancakes. Part so neat me this yesterday it is causing debate I guess since school got US started up again and it's from eight years ago from QVC they were talking about closed that there were there were getting people by but then the question of is a moon, a planet or a star came up the. Planet. I believe a star or something. It's that thing in grade school where you had the name, the planets and there was Uranus and there was Saturn and the one with the rings and the, and then the earth with the is never in their dude, it's not a planet. This is key lime. QVC. Hurt. That's QVC. There they have conversations. They've arguments on QVC I. Guess No one was buying addresses so they needed to just. Help. Okay, well, first of all, the moon is not a star the moon is not a planet it's like this. Thing, it's this chunk Iraq. It's. It's. It's a satellite thing rock right? I mean yeah. Planets natural satellites us. Nate what is it's not to start on him and we know that for a fact, they were both dead wrong on that one it's an astronaut nominal body. The same frigging thing we're reading. Astronomically, satellite. So it's like space garbage that just just happened to. No No. Stop It. Is. Son is a star. Yes. Absolutely. The more you know. All right, and finally let's play with plays Morgan Freeman. Listed by twenty one savage to help promote his new album and it sounds pretty bad S. Savage is defined steers. Beasley. Mode is defined as a way of operating or using the system. So to be in savage mood historical Har, not allowing any being to stop ordered her you. Basically this means when someone is in Sandwich Low, this guy can say. What's going on? What? What happened they? Scream and Jesus. Through his head. What are you doing, nate Nate what how? Do. This is tell us. Size it clown. He scared me with it. He put it around the doorway. My God. Era punk. Just crapped yourself. How'd you get? Oh my God, it is a full size it clown. Jealous. My apologies scared only job only. After it up way to go, guys? Anymore sound. That's it. You're good. especially putting with screeching nate. Scotty. As your. To us when you have stroke like you do and you do that, we thought something that was it's all over I thought I saw grabbing your head. That was my first thought. We had a stroke. I didn't mean for that to happen when you have your headphones on, you can't hear everything outside. So Scotty apparently was standing there going hey, hey, hey, and then I finally heard it through my headphones. I, turn around. There's a frigging clown right behind me I thought I killed you. REPEA- male. All right. We'll look a gary. Thank you very much. Have a beautiful day I. Apologize that Nate and Scotty ruin your saying. I'm sorry you ruined. Your own. We're listening to Gordon I mean who Morgan Freeman Listening to Morgan Freeman. Be, Morgan I don't know what he's talking about, but he's always sounds like silky smooth. It was narrating twenty-one savages album. Yes. Carol Navy okay, I'm fine. It scared me that wouldn't that scare you. Got To, control yourself how to control myself. There was a clown right behind me. I would scare the crap out of me especially, if I didn't know what was there forget it. I think. Shut up. God. While you're laughing. Time at the guys that we work with who are the scared EST humans on the planet and if something ever went down, it would definitely be Danielle and I had to defend all of you. Thank you. Be Scotty be screams. I would have defended myself. I was just startled. No. Clown inmates defense. It is a full size human beat looks like feeling constume where'd regarding? Six foot tall I hate clowns but pennywise is amazing who sent that? Is Cool but Scotty maybe it's Scotties fault. You shouldn't be scaring people in the middle of. The? Garrett. Sorry. You guys were talking about show and tell for the fifteen minute morning show podcast. So I went to the closet in the kitchen and got the clown from last year's Halloween I figured it was a good show in town from last year but I showed it to early I guess and told a little. Of what? You know what I mean. Sorry. For what it wasn't froggy that something vile and disgusting. Who Just snorted? Don't. Ghandi's right Elvis. If if crap went down scary would throw one of us into a wall to get out because that hauge's date and Scotty would screech froggy is not even here. Without but Gandhi and I would be the two that would help you. Know I would be with you the three, the three P.. Charlie's angels the three girls. Danielle and Elvis back to back. Hey. So we're all excited about signing on our news station in Toronto. It's called Proud FM. We are the proud morning show we start Monday morning and we're doing everything we can to get them on Iheartradio so you can listen to them here if you're not in Toronto. their station, of course, LGBTQ station in a lot of dance music a lot of rhythmic music. It's so good. I was listening last night when I heard Gandhi and Danielle promos like well, we're going to be. On. In. TORONTO. One of the songs they played with. Electricity. duleep. A lot of duly for this is the duly radio station. Great. So let's get ready for Monday. Proud all the way. Manning. Actresses Eddie Congo. Feel. With. You. Own. Own. Through you. Know you've. Treated. You. Get lectured. Give to. You. Live. College. Sees. Donald. Fringe. Finland. Yourself. You. Know you. Know. Enough. No Should Bernie. Chua. Come Ready. Nine. Point. Into you. Know. You. Know. I. duleep. Like one of our favorite remember when she performed that our jingle ball concert Madison Square Garden in New York City. So great as she was performing, her father was off to the side of the stage watching her performance. You could see a melting watching his daughter do her thing that she has more than anything anyway. Yes. So we'll be on in Toronto on proud. FM, the new prod morning show beginning Monday. So if you have any friends living up that way, let them know that were there to sully their airwaves? Danielle. Let's. Let's go. Are you have today quick shout out to Julia Cho who listen to us every single day got Jewish she got her first job at party city. congratulated. s She went all these interviews and she got it. So congratulations great place to work part city. So so happy. So all right Cardi B. About to drop a walk clothing line footwear, jewelry backpacks, handbags, fanny packs, I could keep going she's putting her name and that name on everything and you're gonna be able to get your light is all like moisture resistance Let's. Let's go very important. was arrested and charged with reckless driving one hundred, fifteen miles per hour in his white Ferrari on an Atlanta interstate last week So yeah that was kinda crazy. He's not in jail right now I'm sure he's going to have to come back and face that billy I. Wish the world a little blurry the new documentary about her will be in theaters a in February and on Apple. TV plus off your. Fans pretty cool. Also the live action movie Cinderella, it's going to be a musical featuring Camila Cabello is back in production. It took a little break. Of course with everything going on with Kobe was supposed to come out in February twenty, twenty one not sure if it's going to make it that date might get pushed but we'll see but I'm hearing there's no villains in this Cinderella James Corden actually co wrote it and yeah I'm hearing there's no Ville. Yeah I got do some research because you cannot have Cinderella what it's GonNa be interesting. What does she just made for? No Reason I. This makes no sense anymore nyah Rivera's axe has moved in with his sister he they were actually leaning on each other after she passed away and they've both been taking care of Nyas little girl and the mom and the dad has been helping his well, they're saying there's no romance there. It's just that they're really trying to get through this together and taking care of her daughter. I know right? Exactly. Let's see. Meghan. Markle and Prince Harry denied that there is a net flicks. Reality Show, lot of people are saying that that's going to happen and there say, no, we're not doing a reality show for Netflix's. We're not giving you a glimpse into our lives not going to happen off fresh Prince House tour remember I told you I think it was last week that you could stay in the famous prince of bel-air House in airbnb for thirty bucks a night will you start booking it today if you don't get to you know book it, you can still take the virtual. Tour, which is pretty cool. Just to see what's going on there and SNL will be coming back for its forty-six season. There will be a live audience when it happens but here's how they were booking tickets. You can only get them in groups of two, seven, eight or nine depending on the size of your social bubble. This sounds like something scary would do everybody in a group has to come to the show and you have to get a mandatory Cova test temperature check facemask has to meet. Certain standards, there's certain ones you cannot wear, and there's a lot of other things and by the way the date, the premier date for the dress rehearsal sold out already. So everybody wants to go to this. I. Thought Scary. Would have already got his hands on tickets, but he's got to say something this is a forty six season of Saturday. Night live not crazy. Are you ready for this? Yeah I remember the very first Saturday night live washed it. Awesome. I was a little kid. Thank you. Thank you. I was I was like, what is this I was? So I remember my mom had already gone to and it came in Dallas it came on at ten thirty. After the news and so or Saturday night and it was either that or Saturday night wrestling on channel eleven. I remember that. What were those brothers? They're Dallas. Oh Not Dukes of hazzard. Brother. Whatever the vans something, the vents, something brother they were kind of fame. And this is the one week. I didn't watch wrestling and I watched this weird new show on Channel Four Channel Five whatever in Dallas Saturday night live forty six years ago she's I'm so that's insane. I'm still breathing I'll stop it the von Erich family. Eric's crazy Eric family. Tonight on television, you have the presidential debate. There's also a couple of specials. Beforehand is a twenty twenty special. You may want to watch that weakest link could be series premiere. We Jane Lynch is on tonight little people big world, their season premier and that's that's my Daniel report. Hey. So we have the sound of Nate rudely interrupted Garrett bitten. When Scotty be flashed the The. Clown what's his name? pennywise. anyways his name. Here here's the sound to stop ordered her you. When? Jesus. Seen It. It was like a cartoon. His hands flew up over his head like one of those things at a car dealership, the inflatables and. Think, you're supposed to think that's just a natural human reaction. You're supposed to make yourself look bigger when you're scared, right We'll run away. Data pennywise is going anywhere pennywise shows up in your house. Make sure you make yourself a bigger. We've got to take a break back after this. Guy's this is Selena Gomez. What's up? It's watcher. Malone Elvis Duran. How dare you, Mr. Elvis. Duran in the morning show, I. Really do think it's a good idea Dr on through your participating Taco Bell right down the street, pick up a NACHOS party pack and take it over to your friend's place. Maybe they're in the office maybe the work you maybe they're coming over for a you know a gathering tonight whatever you're doing. You're out back just hanging out having some beers. Think the TACO Bell Nacho Party. PACK IS THE WAY TO GO Their biggest box of nachos loaded with all your favorite toppings. More than enough to fuel the entire crew bring the good times. They'll remember what you brought to the Party when you bring the NACHOS party pack from participating Taco Bell near you. In the morning show. I love this text that came through. From Area Code Six oh seven no more music. We want talk show we want talk show we want talk show we will talk show. Love you is too much I. Love that. Did a three year old get a hold of the phone though to text that will be nice. Okay. We're GONNA put them on I. Think we're calling the back I love people who are enthusiastic about him talk show. Talk Show. What kind of? You think Pope John. What are you have, nate. Nate Yeah. Yes we have. I. Tried them twice knowing. Picking Okay don't worry about it. Well, let's talk about should we stop playing music? Here's the problem. Started playing music then we don't have time to run and get a sandwich. All about US yes plus don't think the music sets the tone. For the for the show. If said tone. This is what we play. This is kind of what we represent. Yeah. I think it does I don't want us to not play music I get maybe a little less sometimes when we have a lot going on but not know music did you know we only play three or four songs an our? We play a lot of. Oh God I remember in the old days got how many times? How many songs at Tom Bowman forces to play per hour like fourteen thirteen our yeah and we whittled it down to six and then get complaints if it was any less than five. Yeah Yeah. But. It was as the ratings went higher we we could. Maybe, they're listening for us you know and the music it's a Lincoln, a mix of music in us, but I don't know I would miss the music I really would. Yeah. But truth be told when we play a song I don't know what you're hearing because it's a different song on every station. We only know what we're playing Z one hundred in New York, but you know so the. As this type of format does they repeat the same songs over and over and over I'm sorry. We have nothing to do with that. But when you listen to our new station that we're going to launch one day, it'll be all our decision. We'll play music will play what we WANNA play. When we WANNA play it, we may come in some days and do nothing but Waldo music, and maybe just do the weather the name of that station. W. t.f yes. What's that scare? You look like you WanNa, make a point well, no. You said you didn't hear what was on the radio on Z one hundred. We were playing one of your favorite songs of all time nothing on you from Bielby. Omar's that is one of my favorites. One of those songs that takes you to an exact moment at an exact place that song me to Los Angeles with a very good friend of mine I remember that and so now every time I hear that song, it takes me to that moment myself back P opb where's that take you? Back to the only year that I went to Catholic school and I remember there was somebody's boyfriend driving by the rue the school we were in one of the classes and we were getting ready to be dismissed and we were so excited to get outside we started rolling are skirts up. We were we were ready just brings me back this feeling of high school and stuff like that songs do that. It's the soundtrack of your life as they can do. It's it's so true. But yeah. When we start our own show on our own, our own, you know whatever we'll just play whatever you WANNA play. We can play something news something old something borrowed something blue. Anyway not yet, we still have to we have to work for the man demand tells us to do. We're working for the. Actually. We're working for the woman. And that's totally fine. She's awesome. So all right. The music sets the tone and that's what brings people into the station to begin with all these weirdoes in the morning. Let's give them a chance. So all right. Now people are saying we want more music less talk show. What. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry bless your heart. We can't help you. All right. Should. We take a break? Because we actually just talked and talked about absolutely nothing for like seven minutes success. Yeah out nate. Yes. Somebody's got a whistling booger. Who is? Well no one's going to breathe. I deep breath in because I thought it was me with my nose ring I was sure. Let me see I mean. Let me see if it's Scary. Foggy. Burger. I wish I did I, like when I do that sometimes I get one in the car I'll I kind of do it to the music for a Little Bit Authority? On tune is that weird or no? I guess no, no. No. Not Coming from that sometimes when I'm wearing my mask and I feel like maybe a loose booker, I do breath in and out a lot to move it around like. Gross. Just blow it out. Why are you gonNA move your skills on I just have to relocated a little. Okay I'm so glad thank you for pointing that out to senior executive. Keeping the quality up. Here the quality right now, we'll be back after this. Ms Part of today's show Elvis Duran on demand. Free show posted every day search. Only on the iheartradio APP Elvis Duran in the morning. Good morning every. Morning Show Hey. Thank you for listening where you're going what you're doing right now. Maybe you're off work going home, you're going to work maybe you're already at work you don't work. At the very beginning of the pandemic, we were wondering WHO's working who's not And you know people have continued to be losing jobs and getting new jobs and so every shifting people have different hours. People do different things. People actually gave up what they were doing because they just wanted to give it up, and now they're using the pandemic excuse to reset and find something else in life they're more passionate about. Everyone has these stories independence. It's changed everything for everyone. It really has really has you. You could say we'll outlawed you could say, no, I'm still doing the same exact thing I. Did you know six months ago? Well, I guarantee you you're doing it differently. The, different way of looking at it right course everybody has to have been impacted in some way whether it was maybe your grocery shopping differently because you have to stay up on things and stock up or you just don't see as many people as used to go as many places used to it's affected everyone by the way can I say something where the hell is the LYSOL and disinter? Stand why it's not restocked yet lysol knows we need it where the hell is it every time we bring this up people start telling us on the Texas what they've heard where they're just not producing it fast enough or it's going to people who need it more I don't know I don't know I I miss it the other day. Just paid for three bottles of Lysol. Going to tell you the dome on Ebay you son of you know what? Use that micro ban stuff yes. We swear by Alex introduced me to microbe and apparently you spray down like Lysol but it it's it lasts longer in. Yeah whatever now they have an, it's it. It would come in an air freshener type thing Lysol. Now they have a cleaning spray. So I bought some of that today I, love it. Man I never ever heard of micromanage ever until the pandemic this for me. Anyway it's a pandemic born product. Yes. We we bought some because we couldn't find the other. So Shelton's like. Well, I got this you WanNa try it on my God, try anything bring it in. Spray it with anything. Hey Never Mind I can't talk about that. I could but I don't WanNa talk about dogs. Okay. It's not about poet about dogs. So froggy you have two. Cocker Spaniels they have lots of firm, right? Yes. Well, my original dog Max doesn't have a lot of I never encountered this problem, but with extra ferry `Ali? I'll just walking. I'll find like a little tiny random poo just sitting there. Is that falling off there for like it gets stuck it could get could be getting stocks. So maybe when they groom him next time, they need to just do a little trimming around the exit door all this. Friday. Yeah. Because I I've I'm assuming that's what it is because it's not coming with a whole like produced set. It's like a berry. Exist. So that could've been from three hours ago but it was still he has no idea. It just hangs there and then eventually gets tired of hanging on and falls off. Just wondering. Member scary ex girlfriend was kind of like that. She was a hanger on just gave up. Please elaborate. Tertre fall off her. Did Arrow Harry them. And you'll say the worst crap in the world about you and then go. Sorry love you. That happen. I say it in the nicest way. Possible. What nate whatever does that to me all the time? I love at least Daniel. Before you met her Ghani Daniel was a hitter she. She would say something loud and start laughing hit you. So, funny I haven't ruse people of. Yeah, we had to talk her out of that. You had an intervention. Intervention. I don't mind you touching me just don't touch me with that sort of force. It the three things we need to know Gandhi. On. The first debate for the presidency is happening tonight between Joe Biden and president trump and there will be six topics covered as they go ahead. Those topics are going to be the trump and Biden records the supreme court the Corona virus the economy race violence in the US cities and the integrity of the upcoming election it will be hosted by Chris Wallace who hosts Fox News. Sunday he's GonNa moderate the ninety minute debate in Cleveland and right now Cleveland has already called in the National Guard in an attempt to manage Expected protests it will air across various networks beginning at nine. PM. Eastern tonight. New legislation is happening now in California Daniels talking a lot about Kobe. Bryant's wife suing the Police Department because they took pictures of the wreckage while now governor Gavin newsom signed a bill that makes it a crime for any first responder to take unauthorized photos of deceased people at the crime scene or any accident scene eight deputies were accused of taking or sharing graphic photos of the Kobe Bryant helicopter crash you it's going to take effect January first. Stupid. Things that you have to make a law about, why would why does it need to be a law about that people shouldn't be taking these photos absolutely not that is so devastating and traumatic for the family who was already in enduring all of this nonsense like to have that be out there it's just horrible and so disrespectful to people. And finally, let's lighten it up a lot. We talked about this earlier because they said, it's my favorite story of the whole month. So of course, I'm repeating it five parents are in isolation at is due in the UK because they got in a little trouble after they started cursing out all of the visitors apparently when they were adopted, they were put in a room together and started teaching each other how to curse the staff loved it but they had to take swift action after they started using obscenities with guests. So now they're out. Love that. Favorite. Can they can you reprogram apparent? E Low I don't want to say who it was but I, once worked with someone who nobody liked and he had a bird in his office because he was not allowed to keep the bird at home and so another employee taught the bird to say that this guy's wife was a horse. He put on repeat and left it overnight like for. And sure enough eventually the birds started repeating that. Would never stop saying every time you walked in the room the first thing that bird would say so you can't teach a bird to say whatever you want him to say if you say it enough. I love this guy by the way. You know him by the way. Thank you. And this is too much. Walk it every day your your pets calling your wife names not. GonNa take a break. Your phone tap is coming up after this. That I'm hearing myself. Okay sorry. Really. Only. In the morning show. Here's something you can do right now to save money get honey. Honey is the free browser extension that scours the Internet for Promo Code and applies the best one it finds to your cart get honey for free at join honey dot com Duran. Only. Elvis Duran phone tap Danielle. What's your phone tap all it? Is, a little sick for a four year. Old's birthday party that bubbles is supposed to be performing at so. Yeah bubbles. Is GonNa call the parents to let them know that even though I'm not feeling? Well, I'm still going to show. IDEA. I speak to MR curfew leeann please. Skirts curt. Hi, it's bubbles bubbles the cloud for the party tomorrow Oh how you doing? Do a really good. I'm so excited about your four year olds party I can't wait to be there. You got a little cold there. Said you sound like you're just you sound like a cop and you got a little cold. Yeah though I think it's allergies or something. It's really weird. But I'm so excited I have all these balloon animals ready to go. Down Are you We'd have fun. The are are you sure that the that that they don't want somebody I? Mean if you have an allergy as you're going to be. I mean you probably GonNa get germs everywhere this these are kids you know they. They've the weakened immune system. It's five 'cause. But bungalows like that. In like you can even hear like. Your germs in your voice even. Though don't Curtis Allergies. That's all it is is a little did the heiress is? Allergies allergies. This is not our. Voice everyone uses the whole allergies excuse before if you bring germs over here, I've already had one kid for two weeks and then going to have over you. We're GONNA have preschool whole. Artie. Listen let me finish you're. GonNa call anybody I swear ad I have balut edibles I go to face payday got tattoos. Jack about the school be they know everyone? Here everyone knows that they're going to be here at our house he'll. Wind up sick I'm GONNA the next PTA meetings going to be for disaster kids love bubbles to cloud and I'm going to blow. You sound like you're making snot bubbles right now. Could be is. Service some somebody else over here. Everybody's booked up. Tomorrow current and everybody's booked up so it has to be be a bunch of. Money for this it's fide everything will be fine allergists get at introduced by. So we'll get a barney or we'll get something ill. Nobody do those body is anymore the Bachelor party that I did last night by that I had a cold you're Jordy you bachelor party era stripper of to besides the cloud data to do the same thing get chloe's party that they did last night believe the same thing I'm not an idiot I don't think my ping pong balls to kids parties I, WanNa talk to foes or Barney or whatever runs the place over there you have to call me back. You can't get your deposit back. Did you read the press has no Deposits back this show bus go car. visit. Before. You wanted to ruin a whole bunch of kids you chalk and they will get to see. Four hundred ninety two performances I'm not going to. Talk. Show and living kids shows. That's a side business if you WANNA listen. Church you're. Going to be. On the side shoots. Out of wherever. The birthday I told you I have a girl, the birthday I have. Listened to. Our kids you sick. Weird. No. I gotTA keep advice. I can't have a I. Don't turn to hide that already. So I can't have. My House, the same. Lice. I it's school the school just stopped. Party when a kid with. Just problem solved in Solve their bubbles. You don't WanNa just. WanNa. Sure. Ping Pong balls, your whatever you're doing. Hey. y'All minero Elvis Duran and the morning show in Greece just phone tapped you. Really. Way that somebody can sound that disgusting and still try to get a job. was recorded with permission granted by all participants. In his. Ran In the morning show. Elvis. Duran the morning show. I'm not gonna be happy until everyone's screaming. Like like the moment of the day that's their favorite has. I'm loving smoke is almost done. Instead of seeing everybody can we do cyber one? Zero and. We'll try that in a few minutes Daniel give me a couple of headlines today what have gone on. All right. So Sienna Miller shared a story about the generosity of Chadwick Bozeman. He wanted her to star in two thousand, nine bridges with him. So he ended up donating part of his salary to make sure she was paid barely and she said it was the first time. Anyone had ever done something like that for her how about that and Cardi? B.? is about drop a wop clothing line, some heads, some footwear some. Backpacks, handbags, fanny packs, I could go on and on and she put that name on everything and scary this one's for you a pandemic house party got crazy. The footage ended up on porn hub that was nudity to working and a cucumber the come about a lot of action. Let me just wrote. Labor. Day Porn how it happened over Labor Day, and if you paid between fifty to one hundred dollars you could get in but if you were topless ladies Y'all got in for free. That's our report. On, a classy note. Thank you, Danielle. Historian in the morning show. Cvs Pharmacists have proprietary search tool that actually analyzes ways to help lower your prescription costs. So come in or call today to get a free prescription savings. Review at CVS savings vary not all patients eligible for savings ask pharmacist for details. From iheartradio gets the how podcast how Haguenau? A quick jared and We're going to be talking sports we have Julian Element on our podcast today Julian, football movies who's advancing between Jerry Maguire and wanted waterboard. We're talking entertainment Jeremy Piven didn't tell the story of and I'm going to I. I'm going to call my. Pal I'M GONNA call my Pals Syndey Tiffany Haddish Joe J. J. Watt Mr Kevin Hart Odell Beckham. Junior Snoop Dogg. Adults. Definitely. 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Cruising with Norwegian

Talking Points

21:49 min | 11 months ago

Cruising with Norwegian

"Kayla sinners. It's your very own point sky here. Brian Kelly welcome to the first of two very special episode drops. It's it's officially CROOSWIJK on talking points. Now if you're a cruiser Aka someone who loves to travel on the high seas or if you're even on the fence about got it you're GonNa WanNa pay very close attention this week I. We've got news from Norwegian cruise line and we have an exclusive with their CEO and president. Andy Stewart he's here due to discuss the latest details on their climate initiatives and details on everything you need to know about their brand new cruise ship the Norwegian encore and then on Friday. Make sure you tune into the second edition of Cruise Week. We have another exclusive drop with the President and CEO of Carnival Corporation. Arnold Donald we recorded live at the twenty nine thousand nine skift global forum skip the largest creative business forum in the global travel industry. So make sure you are subscribed to talking points and following along at the points Sky Dot Com to learn more about all the latest developments in the cruise industry. And what that means for you now. Let's set sail with Norwegian cruise lines on talking points. CROOSWIJK CROOSWIJK Andy Stewart President and CEO. Of Norwegian. Coming up right after this. Welcome to this episode. Sort of talking points. I'm your host Frank Kelly the point sky and yes I do mostly fly these days. But here's a little fact. I've been on a number of cruises in my life in about half of them have been on Norwegian. I'm a huge fan of their haven product. That place to get away from it all and they've been innovating a lot these days Especially in sustainability today. I'm very thankful to have as my guest. Andy Stewart. CEO and president of Norwegian cruise line. Andy thank you so much which for joining us. Thanks for having me Brian. Great to be here. So you've been at Norwegian. I would like almost as old as I am not to age US or anything but actually no. You've been there for thirty one year and I'm thirty six so that start out on a light to Juliette thank you. Did you always know that you want it to be in the cruising business. No absolutely absolutely no I had no idea what cruising was all about when I met someone or the softball game length sweater and a year later they called me up and offered me a job. This is so fascinating so many leaders in the travel space. We get to talk to a lot of them at talking points. Come and almost. None of them wanted to do what they're doing today. So you by chance met someone and and was this at Norwegian or another competitor before the and I was working for Marriott Hotels Hotel Business MET This lady softball game. She was called lender sweater and wanted bovine. Ever got it back and then she called me a year later and said there was his job at Norwegian cruise line I thought cruising was something for blue haired ladies second husband I had no idea. Yeah that was a modern cruise industry. So they told me all about modern cruise industry are joint region and as you say thirty one years later I'm still here. How would you save? Running a cruise line is similar hospitality. You're a floating hotel but we are. We're we're a pretty complex floating hotel so there aren't many hotels that have more than twenty dining choices this is the ron many hotels that have racetracks and virtual reality pavilions in full Broadway shows and I could go on and on and on. We're a very complex operation and then we've all got to do it in a very tight space. All of our employees live with us. They don't go home at night so there's a lot of complexities of the cruise industry. That hotels don't face. I'm sure they have other the competition. The cruise industry is unique in many ways. And that was my interpretation years ago when I first started cruising but especially with Norwegian you guys is you know we've done a bunch of coverage on your ships in terms of four family travelers. I know our family travel. Division is really excited with the concepts that you've been coming out not only early on the go kart race trucks which I saw your commercial about that as someone who has a moderate fear of heights I think that would freak me out a little bit. And there's no safety concerns with that is there. I guess talk thoroughly tested that have you yourself been on the go. Kart as the new shape. Actually we go out thirteen feet of the edge of the ship. So it's a pretty exciting experience so on November second Norwegian encore set. Say Oh this is your biggest to date. What is it twenty deck high? You Go karts before but this isn't even longer go. Yeah the tracks long ago. We can't leave it off the edge of the ship it has more turns more opportunities overtaking. It's a very very exciting experience on top of the ship. It's eleven hundred and fifty defeat long and I used to be a tour guide at the University of Pittsburgh and we had this huge forty two story cathedral on campus and that was five hundred thirty five feet tall. So it's kind of wild for me to think about about this crucial being longer than two of the Cathedral. learnings in Pittsburgh put together. Do you have more bigger ships in the works the next class of ship slightly smaller. We have six six more ships on order that start in two thousand twenty two calling that Leonardo class gives it a little more flexibility with where we take that next series of ships and as I said we have six of them delivering between twenty twenty two and twenty twenty seven so we have a lot of capacity coming but it gives us a variety. We have a class of ship in the two thousand four hundred passenger range class in the four thousand range and now a class in the three thousand three hundred range so that gives a lot of choices. We spread off fleet further failed across the globe. We have a lot of flexibility in in terms of Solo travelers. I I know you guys have been kind of leading the pack there with the Solo Cabins. You've got the solo section of the ship and your. We've looked in our research. I mean those sellout sometimes months in advance so we try to appeal to a very broad audience. And you've talked about the family. Market is a very big couples market. We saw opportunity in the solo travel market and this is having having people who want to travel on their own. Feel very comfortable to do so. And so we have a number of rooms designed and price for the solo travel cruise industry was gets a bad rap that you charge twice as a solo traveler. We don't we have rooms designed and priced for Solo travelers. And then we have a lounge the just the solo travelers share and someone can put up on the board. Hey having dinner in the steakhouse not everyone wants to join me. It's a very comfortable way. The people to travel on their own and there are more and more people who liked to travel on the road with success stories of people who get married from those cruises. Oh you're all about hooking up. Of course they're all those happy stories have has anyone asked you to officiate. No no yeah no I have nothing. Seen us to officiate but one day one day and this episode's being recorded during the UN General Assembly. Week you're here. In New York for important announcement you know. Were just steps away from where the climate action summit is happening across the travel. Space every single travel leader has to be focused on sustainability especially within cruising which historically has not I had the best reputation on sustainability. Although you guys are doing a lot so let's just talk about the big announcement to reduce plastic on board. Yeah so Norwegian we've sustainability as you rightly say is incredibly important for us. We've set off still out to really be a leader in the area of sustainability and sometime ago we established this goal to eliminate all single use plastics across the entire ship. We started with plastic straws last year. And we then did a list of every single use plastic on the ship and one of the most impactful is plastic water bottles. You walk around the see a Lotta people with plastic water bottles. were selling plastic water bottles and we saw an opportunity to completely eliminate plastic water buffalo so as of January the first twenty twenty will eliminate all plastic water bottles across our entire fleet that will eliminate six million plastic water bottles during a year. And so we're very excited about it. It's and it's not easy to do. We went out looking for the right partner and we were thrilled to find a company called just just goods that produced this water just water and they have put a huge amount of energy into a container that is recyclable. Renewable and really early changes the dynamic when it comes to plastic water bottles. So we're absolutely thrilled with this announcement. We think is a huge debt. But it's a step in the journey. This is rarely end of the journey. It's one step and we're going to continue to check off that list and work our way down and you know who just produce more products that helps us do that. And of course there will be other companies that will help us on that journey. Not Everything's possible yet. We want to lead this. We want to be way ahead of regulation. This is not about a company trying to meet and chase regulation. It's about a company trying to do the right thing. Employees are passionate about it. It guests are passionate about it. Shareholders passionate about it. This is something that everyone who's associated with our companies passionate about this area and we have have to do more and this is one step in that journey getting rid of the plastic straws. I know every time I mean even when I'm at starbucks people be like Oh. I missed my plastic straws and I can imagine on a cruise cruise ship right. It's your one vacation a year. You've got your my tie and you WanNa have your plastic strolling when you took them away. What did you see negative customer feedback? We certainly have some some criticism. Yeah we absolutely did. We will have that moment where the issue on the nose. It's that's a moment we've all lived through but it's worth it you're right it's it's it's a moment and you know. We offer paper straws on request. But we have to do this. This is a journey that businesses have to embark on otherwise we are going to leave a footprint that ah not a footprint we WANNA leave for our children. Our Children's children so it's just a must do not a nice did exactly and in addition just getting rid of plastic. I know there's a bunch of other pillars to your campaign pain sustainability something. We all talk about but I love the concrete plans. You're doing I know with cruise ships like water conservation and management and sewage as unsexy unsexy as it is to talk about but it is with these humongous ships. Something that's real wider tackling. You're right we should talk about it. We should talk about emissions and the investment. We're making Kenyan exhaust gas cleaning systems that essentially it steam that comes out of the funnel We've able to purify it through the process and and it's only steam that comes out of the funnel we should talk about wastewater retreatment plants that take the bad stuff and turn it into pure water and we should talk about what we're doing in recycling minimizing everything that goes to a landfill we we should talk about all of those things. Because they're all critically important. I hope one day you and I on a ship together. Now take you to the garbage room. Something ever thought I'd say to somebody but but it's important and we're proud of what we do. We're proud of what we do around the ship to make sure that we're separating class from plastics from food waste and doing the best we possibly can with each of those items to make sure we minimize the footprint that we leave behind us right. I know a lot of airlines are testing around with biofuels and alternate fuel. I know the the cruise ship is a much different beast. Is there in the near future engines. That are more electric or is there at least testing in that space. They're all there are many. There are many things that we're looking at as we look into. The future is a complex area for the scale of these ships and as of now we're still using fossil also fuels on the existing ships. We have putting tremendous energy as I say into putting systems on board the ships that take the what would be emissions from from that fuel and turn it into steam those of the exhaust gas cleaning systems that we've been putting across south fleet and they're extremely effective. I will put us up against anything. That's going hang on land and really proud to say that Hurricane Dorian retallack in the Bahamas I know you have a private island. There are. How're things on the island? Yeah it's very very sad to see what happened in the northern Bahamas that Grand Bahama Island Avocados and we have a huge effort. The first thing we did was censorship out full of supplies. We have a partnership with a a nonprofit called all hands and hearts who are on the ground clearing up and starting to rebuild and and they help us off the Hurricane Maria rebuilt schools and Saint Thomas. NL doing that in partnership with us in the Bahamas. So we're really proud of that effort and we're doing everything we can to accelerate the return of the Grand Bahama island island as an opportunity for tourism because tourism will regenerate these destinations. If we can start to bring absolutely just like we're seeing in Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico's having a banner year and even though in the wake of a disaster people don't realize tourism is an act of good and actually visiting and obviously supporting companies that are conscious and giving back in the areas. They do business thank you for that. Arguably cruisers are the most loyal type of travelers in a certain way yet. Interestingly the loyalty programs cruises from my perspective how would you convince me otherwise and being on a cruise ship a handful lesson ten times I get the experience. What is your your focus with your loyalty program? Yeah I mean clearly. We want to recognize loyalty in our challenge versus the Airlines is. We don't fly once a week. So that card is a mind for me all the time. Lime and I live in a Miami hub so I can guess the carrier Sarria right so you know. I'm locked into American and they do a great job for me it's always top open-minded cruising on average people cruise every two years. So it's harder to have that real talk of mind loyalty but the program is really designed to bring people back people. Once they're in these programs very locked-in takes a couple to get people really ten but we have tremendous programs for them from priority embarkation to lots of goodies. Ladies on boom that enhance the experience. Why did you choose Norwegian over the other big ones out there especially your biggest competitor has over a hundred ships? It's now with different. A bunch of different brands. Why do you think people are loyal to Norwegian? You Know I. I hope it's a little bit of everything I hope. It's the freedom and flexibility. That's the heart of everything everything we do. The the choices that we bring to our guests that they have the opportunity to really enjoy the crews on their own schedule. The dining experience is very much like coming to New York or Vegas or another big city. We don't really send people to a big restaurant. We say fancy state tonight or French or Italian Teppanyaki Sushi. Whatever it happens to be exactly as you would do? If you're visiting New York. If you go to a show just like going to Broadway. I actually think you boots. I think I've seen it three times. 'cause I used to always I've taken clients and family. I mean it is such a fun show. What is the Kinky boot you have on board? Because most cabaret shows are shortened down versions like it's almost a full production show so it's slightly shorter hysterical. Feel good I mean you couldn't score feeling great. You WanNa hug somebody dancing down the aisle as you're leaving you're like Oh life is good. That's exactly right so you know entertainment. We want we want to. If it's not good enough for Broadway we don't WanNa do it and it I used to be the cruising everything sort of not quite as good and we've got to be as good as the best restaurants in New York. We've got to be as good as the best shows on Broadway of virtual virtual reality is GonNa be as good as anything. That's going on in any of the theme parks around the world. The racetrack has to be better than a racetrack. That you would go to in your local town and so on and so on and so forth because because it used to be that those things happening in big cities banal great dining is coming to small towns across America with huge pressure on us to do better and better and better and that is our focus. If it's not better than as good or better than the best on land we don't WanNa do it all right. We're GONNA take a quick break to hear from our sponsors. Here's more of my conversation with Norwegian cruise line. CEO Right after this be right back. Welcome back to the episode one of Cruise Week talking points. Let's jump back into it with Andy Stewart President and CEO of Norwegian cruise lines for someone who's never cruised. I mean it is a great value. When you think about it can be as cheap as one hundred dollars a night which is kind of crazy when you think about all that you get in terms of all these activities lease and your investments in the shows what's included in a cruise and then what are what are the actual plus ups once you get on board so if you WANNA get on a ship and spend nothing at all you can do that? You can dine for the week you can drink for the week you can go see a Broadway show. You can enjoy the pool. Enjoy all the desks. The go-carts extra the go-carts because extra. Yeah Yeah So. If you WANNA do that you can enjoy a week. Just pay the ticket price and you can enjoy your and there are a lot of people who don't even get off at the ports right there there are there are there are some people who enjoy everything that's complementary on the ship There are lots of choices beyond that. You want to go have a message. That's a choice if you want to eat tin one of the specialty steakhouses French restaurants. That's another option the race tracks an option so there are loads of choices. But if you don't do any of that you don't have to and all of that you can check online by boat you can see the activities and it's pretty easy to exactly on sale dot com. You can really see all of the options that are available. You can look ship. You can look at the destination seal. The shore excursions that available guests can really pick and choose the things that important to them technology. How is that changing the face of the cruising experience in the past? I've been annoyed with embarking and disembarking especially I'm always late. So but like using biometrics board quicker like what are some of the ways. That technology analogy is shaping the visit all coming using with testing with customs and border patrol facial recognition as a part of the experience in Miami. And that's going to start rolling out across other ports in the US are booked guest experience NC L. Dot Com could go online and they can really do almost everything that will expedite embarkation. It will have them pick and choose through the things they know they want. Want to do on board so they can have that all done before they get there. We have an APP that creates the pre cruise experience and then that connects to the onboard experience. One journey so that that carries you all luay through so so technology really is enabling. We don't the one thing we want to avoid having to stare at their phone. Yeah I don't know if it's for restaurant reservations. That's the one thing that's always stress when you get on the crews and you're like making even spun restaurant. Reservations were always stressful points to me. Be Pre down. We don't want everyone that. So we have some inventory for pre booking some. I'm on board the ship. It's never one hundred percent perfect but we do try to give everyone the choice to do things the way they like to do it. Some people have planners plan every moment of every day other people's spur of the moment uh-huh and. Hey I want to do this that. And the other and so we balanced inventory to allow to meet the needs of both those groups. I know a lot of people in the US in cruising Caribbean. What are some of the trends trends in non Caribbean routes? That you guys have seen success with or that you would recommend someone doing. It's so different experience. This is so many options we're expanding in Europe and Greek isles is really hot. The moment in terms of popularity versus temperature It's very very popular. And we have a couple of Greek isles cruises. One adventist one out of Rome that to take guests into the heart of the Greek isles. which is tremendously popular? We're launching a ship into Asia year round first time so we're going to do a series of cruises between in Singapore and Hong Kong. And then we're going to go up to China and then we're GONNA do some cruises around Japan so we think that's going to be extremely popular Alaska's. Obviously a tremendously destination estimation. We're putting a longer cruise into Alaska ten day cruise. So there's just a little bit more time in a wider variety of ports in Alaska which we think is going to be very popular. I've never been to Alaska Everyone says if you're GonNa do it you gotta do by Cruise. Why Alaska cruise the way to do it? Like what are some because it's just so majestic destination is so beautiful. I honestly I never wanted to go. I'm warm temperate and we'd like sunshine born Brit Drizzle Thirty drizzle that you live with so I'm I'm Sunshine Sunshine Sunshine. I never wanted to go to Alaska. I was dragged there. We did a extended family parents grandparents grandkids. And it's the best trip we've ever done. It's the most beautiful place excursions or incredible the helicopter up to the glacier. The whale watching you get in touch with nature you go into Glacier Bay and you just see this majestic glaciers. It's really go so you have to go. I'm sold what. What's what's the best time to do? The Alaska cruises between May in September. Yes they that's the season. We went first week of August and we were blessed. We we had a beautiful sunshine for seven days and it was just it was. It was gorgeous. The family want to do it again. I I was like no. It's a bucket list trip. You never do it again. Everybody everybody wants to go back and do it again for someone listening. Who's you know thinking throughout the podcast? I may want actually go on a cruise now. Why should they choose Norwegian? I'll leave it as an open ended. You Know I. I've tried to touch on our goal is to really deliver. The highest quality across everything do huge amount of freedom and flexibility eighteen choice with the very highest quality of dining entertainment of activities of shore. Excursions we are going to deliver experience that our guests want to come back again and and again and again and again I've got eleven nieces and nephews and I'm just thinking right now how amazing in Alaska cruise would be so time for family twenty here. We Tom Andy Stewart. Thank you so much for joining us. And congratulations and Kudos on the efforts. You have on sustainability leadership. There is noteworthy. Appreciate everything. You're doing pleasure. Thanks for having me many. Thanks to Andy Stewart President and CEO of Norwegian cruise lines for taking the time out out of his busy schedule to share the super exciting news. Make sure you check out all the details on the points guide dot Com for Cruise Info. And what that means for you looking for crews Bruce and stay tuned on Friday we have another special double draft this week in exclusive interview with the CEO Carnival Corporation Arnold Donald Special. Thanks to James. James Nomad Hotel and their team on the ground for hosting us in there beautiful library and to Andy's team at Norwegian cruise lines in my own G crew Christie Matsui Scott out mayor wits and net row are music is by brake master cylinder and this episode was produced by the Fabulous Margaret Kelly and Carolina Chagrin. I'm I'm Brian. Kelly safe travels.

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"Welcome to native America calling from Studio Forty nine in Albuquerque. I'm Monica brain an investigation by spotlight. New Mexico raised allegations of illegal marijuana production labor law violations, and threats of violence and a massive hemp farm on the Navajo Nation. We'll hear from reporter on that report. Also, some tribal leaders accused the bureau of Indian education of bonding. The start of the school year and the head of a controversial mine proposal stepped down after secretly recorded conversations surfaced these stories and more coming up this hour in a regular news roundup. This is national native news on Tonio Gonzalez. A nurse has been fired and an investigation is being launched after a dying indigenous woman was taunted in the Quebec little as Dan Carpenter reports before her death, the woman took a video of herself pleading for help joys, John. Had Gone to the hospital in Juliet northeast of Montreal complaining about stomach pains before her death she filmed herself from her hospital bed. The video showed she was in distress and pleading. For help it also showed two female hospital staff coming into her room and making insulting comments. One says she's stupid as hell and that she's only good for sex and better off dead that video after going online widespread anger it also led to an appeal from gives land picard of the assembly of first nations to call on the Quebec government to address a culture of racism. In that video, you can clearly hear the nurses insulting Joyce because she is. Because she is indigenous. Re recognize that filthy prejudice that continue to exist today because as a coroner's inquest won't change anything about the racism displayed by the nurses. He says, it's a question of attitude in culture and discrimination in public services is still far too prevalent. The Premier of Quebec offered his condolences to the family and confirmed that a nurse had been fired. He acknowledged that racism exists in Quebec. He added that what happened is unacceptable. He said there would be to inquiries one from the coroner another from the regional health authority for National. Native News. I'm Dan. Carpenter truck. Tribe in Southeast Alaska has one permanent protection of a historic site as Coast Alaska's Jacob resnick reports complex negotiations secured one hundred and fifty acres. Burg Bay lies on the Western shores of Glacier Bay made famous to the outside world but the writings of nineteenth century naturalist John Muir. But centuries earlier, it had been a major cling population center. Then huge ice sheets forced its inhabitants to relocate south to its now modern day who. Has a tremendous cultural significance to. The. Cat Bob Star Bard is tribal administrator of the Indian Association he says much of the site is encompassed on one hundred and fifty acre parcel. That was an original native allotment belong to the Saint Clair family and two years ago the family put the acreage up for sale the asking price one, point, seven, million dollars we knew that there were some development interests on the part of. The Lodge owners. Interested. In developing and that was a use that we felt was incompatible but financing such a large deal proved difficult. The National Park Service was also interested but the federal agency found that the asking price exceeded what the government considered fair market value. That's when the Conservation Fund Got Involved It's Virginia based nonprofit that buys land deeds it over to agencies for conservation Brad. Nichol? John is the funds anchorage-based Alaska representative heard. Fairly from the park that they wanted to find a creative way to make this happen because of the history of the use of the park by. The folks from Hunan the fund partnered with the National Park Foundation. Another nonprofit with a similar mission to buy the property outright for an undisclosed sum. It's deeded the hundred and fifty acres to the federal government added to glacier. Bay National Park and preserve the tribe will get special access. Philip hoagie is the National Park Superintendent. He authorized inking a formal agreement Koto flying special rights for the tribe, and it's been a long road to return that sense of homeland and to have the park service recognize fat formal plans will be worked out between the tribe and park service each spring the Grassy Valley in twenty two, hundred feet of beach along Burke Bay will be for both tribal members and Park visitors to enjoy I'm Jacob resnick and Antonio Gonzales. National Native News is produced by Broadcast Corporation with funding by the corporation for public broadcasting. Support by vision maker media's first indigenous online film festival, and online five week long celebration of American Indian Alaskan native and worldwide indigenous films from August thirty first October fifth at vision maker media. Dot Org. As an American Indian or Alaska native you help elders, young people and native businesses. When you exercise your right to vote November third, your vote makes a difference in Washington D. C., and at home, go to native news dot net for more information brought to you by the Carnegie Corporation of new. York. Native Voice One, the native American Radio Network. This is native America. Calling Monica brain a citizen of the Navajo nation is in business with a Chinese company to grow hemp. But law enforcement officials are having a hard time confirming whether the massive industrial farm on the Navajo. Nation is growing hemp or illegal marijuana an investigation by searchlight new, Mexico looked into it and found so much more to the story including allegations of labor violations and even human trafficking. We'll talk with journalist Ed. Williams about his what his investigation found. Also just as the controversial pub mine proposal in Alaska is getting consideration from federal regulators. The head of the company abruptly resigned and environmental group secretly recorded Tom Collier claiming among. Other things the mind project could be much bigger than proposed. We'll talk with Indian country. Today's Jacqueline estes about the latest development but I. The bureau of Indian Education had a rough start to the school year and August the Bi sent a letter to tribal leaders requiring schools to open for in person instruction. Then just weeks later following backlash from Tribal Leaders Agency reversed the decision the sudden back and forth meant teachers and students weren't fully ready for online only classes to talk to us about this we've got marionette. Pemberton she's national correspondent for Indian country today and a citizen of the redcliffe cliff ojibway tribe. Welcome back to net native America Calling Mary. Oh, thanks for having Monica. Alright. So what what what have you been hearing from folks in the Bi community about you know this push to open school in. person. Well, you know, I mean I think it was pull politically motivated people were pretty I think clear in their understanding of that You know trump has really pushed for in person schooling, and since the B. I e you know as you know, probably their types of the ice schools directly controlled by the federal government and then those that are tribally controlled. So the federally controlled schools were saying that. They would be open only for person schooling and people were upset about that particularly on the Navajo reservation where I think like almost half of the. directly be a controlled schools are and you know they were very concerned and as you know the the code infection rates have been quite high as as the death rates. So they finally appealed actually to one of their council people who Daniels. So who's the head of the Health Education and Human Resource Service Committee for the Navajo Nation and he and his and his fellow committee members I think they pursued you know like a discussion with the Bureau of Indian education. and. What came from that discussion? Seemed to be a policy change. What do you know about About what happened What conspired between the head of the BI and The Navajo Nation leadership, and before you answer that I just WanNa invite you to the conversation today. If you WANNA join US give us a call at one, eight, hundred, nine, nine, six, two, eight, four, eight if you'd like to talk about be schools and the. Start that they had this year or. If you've got kids who are NBA schools if they're studying online and you want to share a little bit about that gives call one, eight, hundred, nine, nine, six, two, eight, four, eight, go ahead Mary. That's a really interesting question the current administration of Navajo, nation Jonathan Nez and his vice president lies. My reminder have not been very transparent and not very responsive to media inquiries So I don't I don't know what you know transpired between the meeting with twenty year man who's the director of the Pov Indian education but I did hear from Daniel. So who is the council delegate of the Navajo? Nation is also the chair, this health education. Human Services Committee that he reached out actually to US representatives commit New Mexico Ben Ray, Luhan and DEB Halen, and neither of those off the representatives of offices would tell me what they did. But somehow you know a meeting cocoa took place and and like of his interesting and kind of it plays on the same day that Democratic Representative Ruben Gago of Arizona. Which is the chair of the Subcommittee held this this oversight hearing about. Education reopening guys, and they invited some day from the to attend and and the opted not to because it was being done virtually. I thought that was fascinating that. In this time of covid that the reason to be felt they could not attend was because it wasn't in person as opposed to the you know you would think it would be the latter. If it was in person, they would say, no, we can't do this. Do. You think that speaks to the again this push behind the administration of. Everything needs to be in person. I think it does you know peop-, you know this change So this was like on September eleventh and people just went back to school September sixteenth. So it was right down to the wire suddenly you know they get this new information we're we're going to do remote schooling. So you know I got the sense that the schools were like kind of. You know struggling to make sure they had enough devices and connectivity Yeah. They did not get too much warning. The other thing is we don't really know at least I, don't I haven't. Called around and it's difficult because the B. I e.. Really is quite stripped. Not to speak to media so and I have I have great respect for people wanting to keep their jobs so Difficult to just to just call up and ask that these other schools on other than directly controlled schools I don't know. I do know there is a school in Pine Ridge on the Oglala Sioux tribe reservation that are doing remote learning. But as far as like have, they changed their policy across the board and that's anybody's guess I don't know. So we don't really know if. The schools are They've been instructed to to go online just for the until October is my understanding of it, but we don't know what the schools did or if they are in fact, online I did read a Navajo Times article that said one school was struggling so much because the covid funds didn't come through in time and so students didn't have laptops they didn't have wifi hotspots, and so they were just taking paper packets to the students to fill out every day, and then at the end of the day, they would hand them in on. I think maybe the school buses go around and pick them up and things like that. Have you Have you heard anything else about what's going on in terms of the school year? I'm afraid I have and I've kind of moved onto other. No understand the inning country today is fast and furious with their publishing schedule, which we always really appreciate well. That out there for our listeners. If you are at a school if you're tending if you're working at a Bi school, you send your kids grandkids to one folks that keely listening on Keeley or keep. and you've got kids at that school on Pineridge and you WanNa. Talk about it. Give us a call right now we want to hear from you one, eight, hundred, nine, six, two, eight, four, eight that's one, eight, hundred, nine, nine, native house. The school you're going hasn't been a rough start our kids at home. Do you have Internet to do have to get Wifi? did you have to get yourself a hot spot so that you could have an adequate learning environment for your students Again, the number is one, eight, hundred, nine, nine, six, two, eight, four, eight, I know you said you moved on Marionette but is there anything else about Bin Schools or education in general that you guys will be looking into in the future? Well. Yeah. Always we WANNA keep our ear to the ground for sure. Nothing, you know nothing that most immediately has. got. My attention in the stream of little twigs that float by continuously so. Not. Right now, not not today I'm on something else today. But. I'm sure we'll try to keep. We'll try to keep abreast of what's happening. Yeah definitely and. We're also going talk about a couple of other articles that you've published. But if you want to if you want to read marionettes work, you can go to any country today dot com I've also got a link or after the show will have links to her articles specifically this article and we're GonNa talk about vaccines next as well as a wild rice article phone lines are open your voice is needed in this conversation we want to hear from you give us a call the number is one, eight, hundred, nine, six, two, eight, four. Social One, eight, hundred, nine, nine, native, and I've got these phone lines lighting up so I definitely want to. Stay on the spy schools thing just for a bit more marionette. You you briefly mentioned. A little bit about the schools, the differences between the two and I wonder if you could expand on that just a little bit. So some are FA run directly be by the. and. Then, some tribally run schools. But they get funding from the is that right? Yes. Yeah. Some tribes you know seek funding elsewhere too but you know as the name implies tribally controlled the tie really determines the policies and has you know much is much more involved. You know with hiring and firing and all of it all that sort of stuff. Yeah well, after the break, we're GONNA take a caller from Pine Ridge. I gave a call out if you are listening in Pine Ridge and you WanNa talk about the schools we want to hear from you. The number is eight, hundred, nine, nine, six, two, eight, four, eight. Also you know if your kids are going to a non visa school, which is ninety percent of native students and you're struggling with. Getting them to sit in front of the computer or you just want to share a little bit about you know what their teachers have been up to in terms of. Education and things like that. They're space for you to do that as well. One, eight, hundred, nine, nine, six, two, eight, four, eight also after the break I'm GonNa talk to Mary Annette about a really interesting article on vaccine. Studies. That May. End Up on some of our tribal nations, and we're going to have a full hour on that tomorrow as well and wild rice my favorite the. My favorite food to eat during a pandemic and we'll get. An update from Mary. A handful of large pharmaceutical companies are rushing to develop a Kobe nineteen vaccine at least three tribes. Okay'd their citizens for voluntary human clinical trials that's drawing both criticism and praise from community members testing Kobe one, thousand, nine vaccines on the next native, America calling. Support by AARP fighting to protect voters fifty plus and making sure their voices are heard on issues like protecting social security and Medicare and lowering prescription drug prices. AARP is helping American's fifty plus from working parents to family caregivers to seniors in nursing homes to vote safely from home or in person more information at Aarp Dot Org Slash election twenty twenty. That's AARP dot org slash election twenty twenty. You're listening to native America Calling Monica Brain, and it's irregular news roundup today on a Wednesday and we're talking with Marian at Pemberton. She's national correspondent for Indian country today citizen of the Red Lake Gibb Way Redcliffe Ojibway tribe before the break we were talking about schools and the start of the school year on add at a call to our conversation. We've got Dana in yellower South Dakota tune-in on I'm guessing Keeley, Hey, there Dana what do you think in? Good afternoon my name is Dana Brave Eagle and I am the tribal education agency director for the Pine Ridge Indian reservation the Oglala Sioux tribe we have twenty two schools which are students attend within the next to our our reservation we have over five, thousand, six, hundred students. We only have one bi operated school but earlier in the year our tribe the. Tribe took action and place the shelter in place ordinance that disgust education would be distance learning and that continued into the fall and so when the state and the federal government were providing guidelines are telling schools to follow their local government. Then our tribe had already set in place there ordinances and so every school within our boundary. Be went to distance and virtual learning, and they're going to continue that for the first quarter and then reassess reassess. They've also sent in plans on how they would reopen and addressing our tribal ordinances to be included in that. our tribe is really. Looking out for the health and Welfare and safety of our people, and we know that we don't have the infrastructure to survive an outbreak whether that be with IHS are financial assistance or any other help. So our tribe is really taking a stand and protecting its future and people. Yes, Dan it sounds like so there was no decision for the school to have to make because You know you're going to default to the tribal law first and foremost before the federal government. Steps in. House connectivity on Pine. Ridge are you finding that? A lot of these students are needing to get hotspots or. What about the Computer Situation So. Monday is education committee meeting and we invite every single administrator to those meetings. They're all zoom meetings administrators all come on and meet with the Education Committee which consisted of our Council representative Dr Valentino Daniel is the chair and keenum meals is the vice chair, and so they've been meeting with the administrators every since March, and they continue to meet with them and one of the number one challenge for our our students in our schools is connectivity we've been trying to work with our local telecommunication Pro. System, here on our reservation because we'll have one and we're trying to make sure that we can make it affordable accessible and that our students have that but it is still a challenge where we have a vast amount of land and we have individuals and families in really remote connections, which they have a hard time getting connected vity. Interesting? and. Yeah. You're right. You know the state and the federal government default because they didn't set forth guidelines before our our tribe or tribe acted swiftly to get these in place to we also have border monitoring on our at our Lines so that we are also doing dot protection for our people as well, and so our tribe acted really swiftly to protect our people and so everybody else does state we have state schools we have six state schools within our boundaries of our reservation as well. Dana. Thank you so much for giving us a call today and giving us a report on education on Pine Ridge anything else you want our listeners to know about how the school year's going. You know the the the thing to nowadays is we just have to. We're in this together, we have to stay together and work together because that's how we're gonNA come out and very strong and so you know students, parents, grandparents, and stop. Let's just get through this together and staying strong together. So all right. Thanks Dana appreciate it always great to hear. From pineridge if you want to get in on this conversation, you can as well the number is one, eight, hundred, nine. Six two, eight, four, eight. We're going to switch gears and talk about vaccines for a little bit but also I wanted to throw that out there. If you watch the debate last night and you want to weigh in on what you saw in the debate, their space for you to do that as well. Call us one, eight, hundred, nine, six, two, eight, four, eight. That's also one, eight, hundred, nine, nine, native. Marionette. So what can you share with us an article about these proposed vaccine study that's going to be on a three reservations. It's all voluntary anything out. So you can share with us about this Yeah. It was like really a a a a big story and got a lot of reaction i. think it stems from Bellamy three things. One you know native people have how of res a reason to be suspicious of Government, in their with their dealings with with US anyway, and then also there has been a long history of research on wrong or research that has not benefited people or even some medical research that has harmed people. So I mean it's a reason it's reasonable. I think for people to have that You know to. You know to express an opinion based on that experience and then I think combining that with you know the environment, the current political environment where in this sort of rushed nature of the vaccine trials, he isn't just needed people that are concerned and maybe have some suspicions about the the safety a lot of people do. and I think what ended up unfortunately but kind of has gotten laws is you know what? What the trials are really about in how they're conducted by not in any way advocating for it but I think it was the you know some folks just could not be. I, think they just had this visceral reaction and I would emerge. Was the failure of some type of governments to really respond to that effectively to realize that they they had. You know it would induce such a strong reaction people. Well, yeah I'm sorry going to ask me something no, no I mean, it's true. We've done a couple of shows about research in native communities. I know have soup I had this lawsuits. About DNA research in their community in their tribe and It's really interesting to me that folks. Really are. Wanting to know more information about it. Also naturally suspicious and. But at the same time, you know we have some serious issues with our covid rates and our death rates and you know a vaccine may be something that saves us and so We're we'RE GONNA. Spend the whole hour talking about this tomorrow, but I just wanted to. Also. Ask You. Why do you think that tribal leaders would allow something like this on in on their communities? Well you know they have before I mean Navajo for instance, with with John Hopkins, they've tested you know a number of vaccines and the way it's like a cone allowing it's You know it is you know it's it's on a voluntary basis and the way that these trials work. When they get to this level, it's called a phase three trial. So it isn't as though they've just suddenly created by okay. We're GONNA injected a bunch of people you know it's it's gone through a lot of it's passed. It's fairly rigorous is my understanding as far as not harming people you know. So now we're at a point where were they're testing would have phase three trial is you know we've determined it doesn't hurt animals it doesn't email it doesn't seem to hurt people. We want to have it on a broader population and what's really crucial is that you have some diversity population. You know if you only test my way people, I'm middle class white people. Who make all kinds of different different maybe health care. Conditions or disparities you know it's not gonNA. Be You know render like I mean as me as much meaningful resin information is if you were to try to test it directly on, you know folks that are unlike native people. So like for instance, on Navajo, they have tested the HIV. Kid You probably hear that I can't remember what the acronym stands for. It's like really complicated but you know it's like to protect them from meningitis and stuff like that and I forget what other they also tested another vaccine there and they've actually tested drugs for like you know for colon cancer and the thing is that they find that that actually needed people seem to do better with a little different dosage. So if they hadn't done that those trials, they would know they would know that information so. You know. So there's like. A, very nuance complex kind of an issue and then this could send people get paid. You know. So you volunteer to get paid. You don't pay the lots they and even the people at John Hopkins were real. They're really concerned. They don't want to quote unquote incentivize. People especially people are you know perhaps it really low income and really you know desperate for money but then again, you don't want to cost people money to come participate. So I think they're paying about like seven hundred and ten dollars over a two year period. So you come in you'd have to you know you get like a little bit of money each time So. You know as I said, it came you know at initial examination people they're paying us. We're desperate for money. So where people are out of work and they're going to put their health on the line for this So that was you know it was some a very emotional response to ask. But then as I said, there's additional. Then there's sort of this additional elements of it the thing about there was like I really I spoke to two different Tribes about this the Navajo Nation government was really not very transparent to people's concerns people wanted to know they do have like a human, Research Review Board, and it passed that review board and it's made up of Navajo people. You know healthcare professionals and research professional did pass that but you know it was not a transparent process but people you know I it seemed as though I think two people express. The concern that you know leadership is dodging questions during the did they did have some town halls ritual town halls and Napa Hall and people you know people were expressing anger a lot of concern and leadership was responsible you being negative? You know we don't. We don't want to hear any negative comments was one. One woman WHO's a professor at? The college. Professor Army and she asks him questions in in commented. I. Guess in ways that they would have defined as negative features like prevented from commenting anymore and they scrubbed all her comments. So I don't think you know unfortunately, you know politics has really entered into this. And I. Think it's it's clouded A lot of issues you know both just getting out the the information to people. And then also really escalating concerns that you're you're you're selling us down the river, you're not giving us full information. versus alumnae. Nation in Washington I think they really just genuinely it was a misstep. They just didn't. You know they announced if they didn't include enough information and the people citizenry may had very similar responses as the folks in on the Navajo reservation you're making a skinny pigs and let's not take it and then of course to the tribal leaders, you guys better be the first ones in line. We do. Well. As they did make their you know they made their process. People available that were involved in the process of You know the that particular trials with AstraZeneca and which actually has been paused because they're having some problems with right but they did make the I. Think we're making a genuine effort to respond to people and try to be more transparent about their process. Well. We'll like I said tomorrow we're going to spend the whole hour on this. If you WANNA weigh in, you can give us a call tomorrow to talk about it before let's go Mary I. Just wanted to note your most recent Article Minoan will carry you through about wild racing season, which is right now and although you collected some interviews and and such from last year's season. Is Wild race getting you through the pandemic. Order in right Oh als kept have my rice at ten Minoan. Really. Important to what we just like to eat it, and then you know has has to be present in all of our feasts and you know our ceremony. So I mean, I grew up eating rice and. You know my kids may not you know like it as much as I? Do, but here they want to eat sometimes that's what I got. Well I, really recommend everyone check out this article if you're looking particularly, if you need to wash off some of the negative news of the day, it's a it's a good read. It's funny. There's a great video to go with it and it will fill you up much like a large steaming bowl of wild rice. Mary Annette a pepper is the national correspondent for Indian country today. Thank you so much for joining us. We really appreciate it. Thanks for having me Monica it's always great to talk to you and it is our monthly news roundup. If you want to join our conversation, give us a call. The number is one, eight, hundred, nine, six, two, eight, four, eight up next, we're gonNA talk with Ed Williams he's reporter for searchlight New Mexico and We're GONNA talk about hemp growing operation on the Navajo nation. If you WANNA get on that, give us a call right now the number is one, eight, hundred, nine, nine, six, two, eight, four, eight ed thanks so much for joining us today. Welcome. Thank you. It's great to be on. This story is just was just shaking my head. It was amazing. It was an incredible. I couldn't believe the reporting that you and the the sources that you got on this give us a quick summary of of what you found. Well I'll try it's a big and complicated story. But let me try to put an end not show So last year the San Juan River Farm Board President WHO's a guy named Nali launched a giant hemp farming project in brock chapter of the nation, and he brought in a big consortium of business partners and financiers from China and started sub leasing plot after plot of. Farmland up in the northeastern part of the reservation for what he said was hemp cultivation and it's an enormous operation I mean it costs more than twenty million dollars the B., I. A. Estimates that It's now about four hundred acres or more traditional farmlands that had been turned into farms. He's farms are made up of hundreds of industrial greenhouses and patrolled by hired guards. And his partners brought in over a thousand workers mostly immigrants from China and South East Asia to work on these farms and most of them are living in man camps next to the greenhouses There's also quite a few local people working there many of them are teenagers and summer as young as ten years old in from the beginning Navajo police in the San Juan County sheriff. Department had believed that the farms are really just a cover for giant the legal marijuana operation. Tensions have been building up in the community over the summer you know to the point of violence in some cases and Navajo Nation Attorney General has been working to shut them down So that's Yeah A, that is a quick. Summary of what's going on we're GONNA get into it more in more detail after the break. But This is this is fascinating to me and I'm just going to give you a little lake taste of what we're. GonNa talk about after the break. searchlight New Mexico actually got their hands on was given some of this. so-called hemp and they sent it away for testing, and so we'll talk about what those results came up with. But we're going to go to a short break one, eight, hundred, nine, six, two, eight, four, eight. Support for journalism that raises the awareness of child wellbeing to citizens into to policymakers provided by the Annie E. Casey. Foundation, building a brighter future for children, families and communities information at a eighty cf dot org support by AARP fighting to protect fifty plus voters making sure they're heard on issues like social security and Medicare prescription drug prices and ensuring that fifty plus Americans can vote safely from home or in person more information at Aarp Dot. Org. This is native America Calling Monica Brain we're talking with Ed Williams who's reporter for searchlight New Mexico about and we're talking about his most recent story about hemp farming on the Navajo nation so. Ed, how did you find this story? How Did you stumble upon this? It's been a big issue locally in ship rock in north. North Western part of New Mexico are listed cindy insurance chilly of the not the whole times have been following this from the beginning the AP and PBS Newshour Farmington daily is boss coverage, different development but I actually heard about it personally from one of our reporters searchlight she grew up in ship Braga Sunny Clutches Chili, and Sunny was working on a separate story in rock with our photographer John. Donne Essner They brought the issue tour editor. So what we thought we needed to explore further was you know how can we investigate what's going on inside of these secretive operations with actually being grown in these farms who are the immigrant workers living there you know who the people and businesses financing and managing the forms. So those you know that's how the story got started for us. All right and So I mentioned this before the break The big question is you know he that they say that It's just hemp that's growing there. But there's lots of speculation and allegations that it's not. It's actually marijuana and so how did you go about investigating that? The first thing to do was to you know get as many sources as we could who were working in the farms and what have direct knowledge of you know what was actually going on and what was being grown. They're very secretive like I said, I mean they're they're surrounded by tall blackout fencing patrolled by guards that sometimes carry weapons It's not like you can just. Walk in and ask, and also they're not feeling the normal kind of paperwork that you know that that you would expect a business to fill out. So we didn't have a paper trail to go with. So we ended up finding seven employees who had worked in the farm ranging from their thirty s to thirteen years old on each of them said that unequivocally the most. The most like quantity of the proportion of the plants being grown at the farms are actually marijuana wannabe employees like you mentioned, gave us three samples of the plants which were given to him as an incentive to work which a lot of people said was a common thing that was offered to at least the Navajo workers on the. Work hard. We'll give you a bag of this. Hemp. Air Quotes and so we did take that to a laboratory in Santa Fe to get it tested at a at a state certified lab and those tests showed THC levels between twenty and twenty seven percent, which is really high. Even for something, you'd get a dispensary and it's obviously a lot higher than zero point three percent THC limit enhance, right? I mean. To be clear, there's no way for us to verify samples actually came from where the source said they did we don't have any reason to doubt it, but this is not you know track, there's no barcode to scan, but we did also talk to one of the Banal. His main business associates a guy named irving. Lynn who has been part of this project from a management perspective from the beginning and he actually confirmed on the record on the phone the farms were in fact growing marijuana. Well, you can't get more definitive than that. I guess. One of the things that I found a amazing about the story is the number of workers particularly foreign workers that were coming in to this area to help with a hemp farm. Is there is there any evidence of human trafficking going on In this operation. That's to answer because human trafficking is such a complex legal question usually like even law enforcement can't say whether human trafficking has occurred until after a long investigation whether they're able to figure out, you know what kind of debt the worker has their supervisor what kind of control is being held over the workers ability to leave and things like that. But what sources did tell me unequivocally that there are major major flags for human trafficking in this case as well as Labor. Trafficking and other kinds of exploitation So for example, people in the community have described a lot of cases taking pictures of Asian workers apparently trying to escape the farms like standing on the side of the road with their luggage, for example, or standing outside of gas station asking for help getting home in one instance resident told us about a time a few months ago when a Vietnamese woman wandered up to her family home in a really remote part of shipwreck. Just, begging water and asking for help with their passport. So she could get back to Saigon and shoot apparently been walking through the desert for hours and sandals just trying to find a way out So these are the kind of things that have law enforcement traffic have kids very, very concerned Yeah I can imagine. What are some of the jurisdictional issues here? So in your article, you mentioned that law enforcement is concerned and looking into it, but it doesn't look like charges have happened And or you know warrants or raids or anything like that? So what's going on? Yeah. There's quite a few limitations that law enforcement have been dealing with. It's been really frustrating for cheap Francisco of the Navajo police especially, I think. So tribal law enforcement can't arrest non native people on the reservation in this scenario I think there's an exception for domestic violence but in this case, he's been limited in terms of his ability to arrest or intervene with these Asian workers, and there's a thousand people again involved in this who are not native Now, the whole lot doesn't really address the we gallery of hemp cultivation very clearly. So it's been hard for police to get a warrant to search the farms for marijuana. And plus t Francisco's had a hard time finding a drug lab they could test the plants for him and also Sheriff Shane Ferrari in San Juan County only has very limited jurisdiction within the reservation. So his hands are mostly tied unless something illegal happens outside of the reservation you know in the county So yeah, local law enforcement had had a very hard time investigating this even though it's been happening way out in the open and in a really audacious way share Ferrari, just describe it to me as you know, didn't even always been able to operate in the cracks and we're all just standing here kind of scratching our heads. Wondering. How do we? How do we proceed with this I'm so at this point, I think it's very likely to become a federal issue. Yeah I was GonNa ask you what the agency is. That is in charge of hemp cultivation and. Keeping Track of that. The USDA is in charge of him. Cultivating tribes can get their own license from the USDA that has not happened with Navajo nation yet They do have a little limited license to grow like five acres out of Nappy, their agricultural area with New Mexico State University. So that's kind of like a university research area but beyond that, there's no license and that's part of the legal problem here and so that would be the USDA The state also has a story in this. In this scenario you know we're talking about drugs if we're talking. About marijuana in a state like this where you know especially, we don't have recreational marijuana we do have medical marijuana but this is kind of an off the books operation in that would be the DA or criminal issue. I mean, even if Navajo police were able to to prove that it was marijuana or show court probable cause, they could intervene I believe. So you know it's just kind of a complex maze of people that that have just everybody seems to have kind of a little bit of jurisdiction. Nobody has enough to kind of attack it you know. I had on I will say to that Sheriff Ferrari has. Formed what he describes as a task force with G. Francisco have never hope TV and the Attorney General and New Mexico and Da Homeland Security and FBI I mean they've all been meeting and trying to attack this you know and and get investigation underway Well I really you know we'll put a link to this article on our website. Native America calling dot com also mentioned that you did get an interview with two named Bonaly about this, the businessman who is in charge of this operation and he had some interesting things to say about it. Ed Williams. Thank you so much for joining us from He's reporter for searchlight New Mexico, thanks Ed. Thank you. All right, and for our last story of the day, we've got to Jacqueline estes. She's national correspondent for Indian country today and she is. It Jacqueline Welcome to native America calling. Thank you good to be here. Okay. So the pebble mine it's now being called the pebble tapes I believe it's almost like Watergate in terms of This issue what can you share about this proposed project and and this audio that was leaked this month. So the pebble mine is a gold copper and molybdenum mine it's a proposed mine. And the idea is that the largest. Mind of its type. Would be set about a hundred miles from Bristol. Bay. In Western LASCA. And Bristol as famous as a huge fishery where half the world Sockeye Salmon. Are Harvested and sold all over the world. It's an enormous fishery. And so what happened most recently is. Environmental Investigations Agency and Environmental Group that. Sends investigators out you know to do research and find documents and back kind of thing. Posed as investors and they videotaped a zoom meeting with two of the top people with the pebble mine. And they the pebble folks were. Indiscreet to say the least They were pushing hard to sell the project. These would be investors. So they described project that's a lot bigger and with last a lot longer than what they've put in the official documents where they're applying for permits. Yeah and they also boasted about how they had all these politicians on their side. with the implication that the politicians are effecting the regulatory process. Yeah. When I, when I talk a little bit more about that but I actually have a clip from the now former CEO of partnership limited, Tom Collier talking about the potential to expand the mind beyond the original proposal now I in America there's not a single major mind and there certainly isn't a major oil field. The didn't start out small. smaller than it has. And there have been constant expansions that have been suggested. As let's that's what would happen here where this is a well-worn path that we're following. To build something that allows us to show the community and the state that we can do it. We can do it well that it's not dangerous and they will come in. At some point, the future and request an extension of time probably an expansion of how much we are producing. Doc Jock Lendu do. Does that. When you hear that audio does that sound like what Tom Collier has been on the record with publicly as well in terms of the mind will be you know, yes, we will expand or have you been hearing something different that which is like the mine only for twenty years and and that's that. Yeah I mean the ladder. What he said there is not at all with the been saying officially, but they were saying officially is that they'll take so many hundred tons. Of or out every you know every day. For. Twenty, years. And then they'll start wrapping things up. And, the the the whole plan is kind of geared around that. So they have a gas line that extends from you know across an inlet and I mean. This is an enormous project with a port. Roads a power plant. The gas lines that I mentioned fiber optic lines. And all of that. would be set up and they're. Setting up in such a way that they can continue the project. They hope for two hundred years not twenty. So that's that's a you know it's really different from an end, the amount of or that they would be digging up every day would be a lot more than what they have in the official documents and I wonder if we should maybe explain maybe not for our Alaska listeners but for everybody else why this is so controversial you know you have united tribes of Bristol Bay and the Bristol Bay Economic Development Corporation. All speaking out against this I think even the president's son said, he didn't support this mine What can you share about what the major concerns are with this mind? Well, they're the water table in the is really high and it's a it's a really wet environment. There are a lot of wetlands and streams and the water I mean the toxins that would be released in the mining process would enter the water system. which drains into Bristol Bay which like I said, is this enormous Fishery both for subsistence. For putting food on the table locally. Commercially. I think it creates a like twenty thousand jobs. And it's worth three hundred million dollars a year to the to the state's economy. And it's just a sportsman's paradise. People fly in from all over the world to go fishing for Salmon, and that's why the president's son came out in opposition to the project because he's been out there and he's been sports fishing. It's really a beautiful beautiful place. And and you know the fishery has been going on for Millennia I mean as long as people have been living there salmon have been coming back every year. You know giving that up would. Really. It. Any town that's gone through the loss of its major industry I think can relate to this. How did Northern Dynasty respond to these these pebble tapes? Well. Northern Dynasty is the. Parent company to the Pebble, Partnership Limited, and they fired the CEO. And I'm calling your lost his job and now the interesting thing about this is that the they head of northern dynasty was recorded in one of these videotapes to. was going to say he yeah, he didn't lose his job. Well. I will put a link if you want to listen to the tapes as well as read. Jacqueline estes coverage on this in Indian country today Jacqueline it's great to hear you on the radio again and and to chat with you. Thank you so much for joining us today. Thanks for having me. And That's GonNa do it for our show today. Thanks to our guests marionette pepper Ed Williams, and of course, chocolate estes. We're back tomorrow with conversation about testing and the covid nineteen vaccine on our native nations. I'm senior producer Monica Brain. We'll see you tomorrow. Teams. 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News AF: Best of 2019 Highlights

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News AF: Best of 2019 Highlights

"Hey what's going on rob sister back here with you to share the most interesting clips from news af for the year. You're twenty nine hundred. Nineteen here on our Special News Af Year in review or years crystal. It's about to be News makes you to death his tonsils abuse. Yeah that's right eight. Are I ever best of news. A F- special and we had so much fun on news af this year myself and Danny and Tyson A and we wanted to go ahead and instead of just giving you a clip we're going to do A. R. J. P. Best of two thousand nine hundred special in a couple of days I wanted to give news af af its own best of special because I feel like there were so many fun moments throughout the course of the year. So that's what you're going to hear today where we're going to go through and play you some of our favorite clips of the year. Also we are going to put together a soundcloud play list of stuff that did not make the cut go to rob has a website dot com slash news af twenty nine thousand nine hundred and you could hear a sound cloud playlist of all the clips. That were up for consideration for the year that was in news A. F. and may be perhaps twenty thousand. Nine hundred was the most news year of all time as we are about to here on this show today. We appreciate you listening all year long. Or if you're a new listener just wanted to check out the best of twenty thousand hope. You can join us every week. In in twenty twenty. So we're going to go through the year chronologically for the most part and Renna kick things off going back to January Kan.. Of Two thousand nineteen a story about a woman which made a lot of headlines at the time about a woman who was arrested in her a local Walmart living her best life ever. Let's go back to episode number one. Seventy two back on January fifteenth twenty twenty nine thousand nine. Let's talk about a story that turned out to be a one of the most submitted stories we've ever had in the three some odd year. History News A. F. where we were inundated people saw this story and came right to our facebook rope nope and wanted to tell us about it about the woman who was banned from Walmart after she was riding around the electric scooter. Scooter the electric car around the store drinking and not just drinking at any container Tyson but like yourself. She had embodied. PRINGLES can her chalice to ride around Walmart. That sounds awesome. This has hints of Sour Cream Cream Barbecue in subversion. Like how it was wine that leads me. I think that a pringles container poke with holes at the top would be a perfect trap. Maybe that's what she was doing working on the humane trap traff trapped her good. You call it a chalice. I can just picture her. Riding around making demands holding up her goblet of wine. She's driving around the parking lot outside so according to the story this is in Wichita Falls. The incident began on nine eight. Am Friday Haida officers responded to a call about a suspicious person in the parking lot of the Walmart and the dispatchers came in and they found the the woman riding an electric shopping cart used for people with physical limitations issues. Drinking wine from a pringles can and she had been doing it. Says here for hours How long does batteries life crazy lady? Yeah can you imagine just driving by Good Morning Oranje. Good man this lady. This lady like she was like she was just got offer shift on Thursday night and she's like Komo Friday F it. I'm going to Walmart and she finally doing the things she always wanted to do. She's more familiar with drinking out of a box like material pringles a pretty close to that. So she's like this feels more natural now It turns out that the woman was now banned from that Walmart Location Shen. She is no longer able to visit said Walmart. Where do people who get banned from Walmart go? Greyhound doesn't have a lot of dollar store the dollar or store that's probably suspicious. The dollar store. I don't think so you can buy lots of horrible toys. That's true what's suspicious about a woman driving around on a rascal with the pringle of wine. She just how. How are you assuming? It's a name name brand people mover. Yeah you're right but you know what I'm saying. Donald who called and said she suspicious. What would she do? I guess maybe she was proud around around looking inside the cars that would make your public intoxication. I think is against the law. Maybe not in Wichita falls but in some places in the country definitely Walmart Open Open. Twenty four hours. Yeah most of our our this one was then probably most Texas Walmart is open twenty. I four hours a day. You can look it up. Let me look all Walmart store hours. Also as if I remember correctly I think Walmart lets people sleep in their parking lot. And Arby's four hours. Yeah so this lady probably just taking advantage of the fact that the Walmart parking lot is is is a nice little feel safe place for people to meet people to fight and do you think she got the pringles from the Walmart I would assume so the pringles and the wine and then she finished the pringles and then she was like. How can I carry my wine around out in public where I won't get in trouble because you know how a lot of people put it in? They're McDonald's cups. Or what did you used to do rob. Oh I had it in a telescope that you would take the top off. Telescopes a little suspicious amateur astronomer sir. Yes also it's not unusual unusual to drink the crumbs at the very end of pringles. Can you know it is the is last Tyson as we know what particular Taylor Flavor of pringles might best go with a white. Well I think it depends on. I think it's more dependent on what P- Rangel pringles angles. You enjoy like if you were to offer me wine from a sour cream and onion sprinkles can I would say get Outta my face. But I'm not a sacrament onions type of guy I I would probably go with the original just to keep it classy and simple or maybe the pizza flavored ones heats Cheddar on shedder Cheddar. I think that might be a wine and cheese laughing flavors seeing if any salt and vinegar what we already already screaming dill pickle Tyson. No a only because that flavor of pringles if it has nothing to do with it being mixed with wine has has everything to do with if I just like the flavor of pringles or not. Yeah I bet it was original original. Yeah 'cause don how long has a huge selection you know how hard it is to like sprinkle a little salt on your desert these days. A little extra saltiness to that wine. I bet she came up with a new invention and she's going to market it unless we get to this law terrarium ASEP with this idea salted wine. Yeah all right Danny. Should they open. Open up a place where you can ride around shopping mall stores grocery store scooters and also drink wine the equivalent of a smoking section the mobility skewered angles drinking section like that in Utah. It's called Lagoon. Only Danny that joke. But it's a it's a stickiest place on earth earth like the park the saddest Tzu. You've ever seen with some of the saddest rides you've ever seen. Let's hope those things pop up rob those areas because that would be sad just seeing people in a tight confined space circling their rascal scooters around having enough room to even just like boom boom boom boom bumper cars. Yeah actually I could be entertaining bumper car so I guess yeah but with the mobility scooters. Yeah mom has there been an arrest made in this case or the woman just banned from the Walmart. I think she says and does that policewoman. There's no video but the story has really gotten a lot of circulation circulation and the police just showed up and found her at a restaurant nearby and older that she was banned from Walmart. So the police didn't even really witness any me underneath. Excuse me damage. She's probably at Denny's Grand Slam and right. Now what do you want. And she's like like your band for Walmart and she's like for what I barely walked in here to get my Grand Slam five ninety nine. Are you out of your mind and they are you the one. That was driving that rascal around and she's she's like it wasn't a name brand one but yeah and then they were like you're banned for life from Walmart. Johnny bands someone to you Mike Certificate. Get her up at the. Yeah pitcher no none of that none of that. I have a friend and this is is true. It was a friend that was not me who got banned from SHOPCO for life And I don't think they had anything but I I remember him walking in like a year or two later. Just like a misogynist. Try and I do remember them inviting him to leave. Wow really yeah And this is like in the nineties. This is in high school Dan. Have you ever been banned from anywhere. No that Tyson. I have a bunch of people that I know that are banned from. CBS survivor functions. Yeah I know people that are banned from ever appearing on survivor again. I post a lot of self pans. Yes you ban people from you know I itself going to function. Yeah anything any gathering with more than two people. I try to smile boop I will try a follow. Vascular disease lead ban myself from more places in twenty twenty as the list of survivors banned from survivor functions only continued to grow in two thousand nineteen Let's skip ahead to April ninth of two thousand nineteen eighty news AF episode number one nine hundred eighty four news af continued to be the worldwide leader in news about sauces and condiments and we learned learned about a few new condiments which we're going to be released to market including and headlined by the Twenty nineteen discovery of Kranj right. The people at Hinds are out with a new batch of condiments here Dante. How do you feel about Kranj? Explain please was this written on April. I know this is again in what rob was explaining on April first April second we podcast though. The News is just April fools every day. Ranch Danny here okay all right so Kranj is like the name your your okay Kranj only hold on. What is what words have been psych and tell you what it is Kranj catch up and ranch catch up and ranch? Yes that's not right. That's okay I are you. You're kidding me. No I'm not kidding. Tyson you'd eat those things together. Tyson passing the KRANJ. I'm ready to crack down on. Some krantz is whether you putting this crannies goodness names right into my mouth. Yeah I like Kranj do is encrusted crew. Let's get Cranchi does not say. Hey Hey you wanna get I hate everything about it. I hate every single hate sauces European. I am a millennial. Oh hates mayonnaise. You'd hate me sauces. He's I can have a salad. Make sure that it's dry. No I'm vinegar at Man. You know that it's not really a sauce. No but it is a salad dressing. The superior the most superior of salad dressings are look bad. Guys I'm looking at Krantz right now I'm thinking about ordering some habit France or some Kranj. Just bring it in my house. Should I be embarrassed. I asked him to label it. Something else usually usually be embarrassed. That you're on this podcast right now. Should why would I be in very micro-credits Dan Danny and be the face. Ace of Kranj. Yeah for sure he good. Hi I'm Danny Bryson and I endorse Kranj. Franch on eating French interesting. Everything probably hamburger eight but Amer non pizza but a hamburger fries. I can see it going with Bryce PA. I love France. It's not gross. I hate it okay and in addition to crunch also have Mayo Q.. Threw up a little bit of Mayo and Barbecue Sauce. I never picture audit bad not a bad combination all Mike Mike. God Daddy are you kidding. Just try to get under my skin. I'm not identified Tyson. These things sauces massascre. I look I go to suit bars. A I didn't know you were a Saas Pro Saas did yeah you. You're GonNa find me huddled in a corner in a grocery store doing Kranj with some Mayo. May Oh what was it called me. Oh Kyu maybe you and also mail must which mayonnaise mustard. I mean that's pretty common of Mayo. Musters is not a good name ether. It sounds musk male month. Sound like an axe body spray. Flame Sodas Kranj took. This is a new line of ags body spray which also also doubles the sauce. There is another one earlier in this article that I'm reading from. NPR says Mayo Chop May may catch up which we call fry sauce But a Mayo shop is was one of the earlier mixes that Heinz I did. Yeah who chop Kranj I liked. That also sounds like a villain movie. Yes he will agent Kranj but yeah I like the name. 'cause send me some sauce Tyson yes I'll come down. We'll share together. We would you have a bottle of Kranz dance. Shane Your refrigerator. Yeah I'll have a little crashed in the morning as little crunch at night to put me to bed. It's like saying the word they might get that tattooed on my neck. Tyson would you rather Kranj or Mayo. Q. Is going to say neither. Yeah for sure neither. Neither the lives of your family depended on it. And did I have to eat a spoonful. Yeah that's the worst case scenario because look when we talk about these we're talking about putting them on something but yes tyson a spoon giant spoon of one of these which one of the four sauces that are included in all of those the only one that I would even agent Cranston Sanchez. I could eat. I could eat some barbecue but I don't think I could eat it with mayonnaise so I think either one. I'm not keeping that down those you don't have to keep it down Just have to invite it into your mouth voluntarily. Okay well did. You're having a hard time with this Tyson. She's got the thing is is that ranch and Mayo or my two arch nemesis. Never in all of those. I don't have a good option like if it was ketchup barbecue sauce. I can do that or maybe even a mustard sauce. But I can't can't do mayonnaise or rent are the ones that are getting you the catch. It would be easy to similar. Feel like catch you whittling branch out of that at grant and game over and mayonnaise. Just even the thought of Maine as like who invented mayonnaise. It was like this idea It sounds I'd like to kind of invention that happen because someone didn't clean up governed oil and all we got his the egg oil and a squeeze lemon came about in a dorm room somewhere in gotTa have. Add accepted stuff. I left out. Oh Wow this tastes delicious malicious credible. Yeah what boop. There's no telling what condiments might end up being discovered in two thousand twenty but have no fear that once once they hit market we will be here on news af to tell you all about them of course news AF listeners. Know that we never missed an episode all through twenty nineteen and of course that Tyson Apostle was able to his very exciting summer. Be Be with us every step of the way as he vacation but did not miss a beat here in news af in two thousand nineteen. Here's a couple of highlights. It's from Tyson's very exciting. Summer of twenty nine thousand nine. Let's start off with a clip from back in May may twenty twenty-first twenty nine hundred nineteen. Here's our discussion with Tyson. About some of the rumors going on around Tyson in May of twenty nine thousand nine news as a AF episode number one ninety. What I'm still here still kicking and still having fun just hanging out with the family doing the normal thing? Tyson is all a lot of rumors floating around about you. Anything you want to talk about. I'm so good today. Rob Up to address the rumors rob like we talked about before the show. I will be doing some more stuff with tall slim teas and you you know. Keep Your eyes peeled on the Youtube for those dope commercials okay You don't have any big plans for the summer Rachel's parents have their fortieth year anniversary. So we're going to Hawaii in June and my family reunion in July. I just trying to stay out of the Arizona Heat as best. I can okay all right of course with us as always a man who wishes he could get into the Arizona. Heat Eh Danny Bryson Danny how are you it is so cold here. Winter has returned to the great white north. It is not the great white north. THIS IS UTAH. Well South the great white north but it is snowing today absolutely miserable. Yeah Move Danny is speaking. Speaking of winter is coming. Did you happen to catch. The game of thrones finale. Guys don't do do not tell me anything. I'm going to start with episode one. Starting probably tomorrow spoilers at all everybody be quiet about it. It's not worth the Tyson career. You skip I mean if you haven't caught the entire all the episodes of game with from one until now then you haven't been in the news at all because this is a bound. I don't know how you would have to closet yourself up in a cave in the mountains to have missed how season eight ended like seriously. Danny what are you doing to stay warm in the cold Danny to get hot soup today. His picture Danny always getting before the podcast wake wandering in there. And they're like we don't usually put the hot soup till noon. Sir and he's like but I want it now and they're like well we've got some from yesterday and he's like that'll do first of all they don't put it out at noon. They put it out like eleven fifteen. So if you get their air bright and early you lined up. If you're lined up around the corner you know they open the doors just like an exciting concert you get into their. get the hub soup bar a a bright and early. You'll get fresh. She's but no. I did almost have hot soup for dinner because it is snowing then I thought better of it in had some hot fries instead instead hot fries. Yeah okay I mean hot. Fries are the only fries you should ever heat. Cold fries are assigned. Your life has taken a bad turn art boobs so then a couple of weeks after that Tyson was able to call into news af on the road from Hawaii on one of his wild summer vacations. Here's Tyson joining news af from Hawaii. What boop very a excited to bring in somebody here on the Action News? A F- team and that would be Mr Tyson Apostle Tyson. Yes in Aloha and Mahalo. Aloha Aloha icing of course is calling in from Hawaii Tyson. How how is it going? What up did usually idea these awaiian once from my car in the parking lot? I remember when I used to do that. But I have my own hotel room here and everybody else's And I'm just you know just living that aloha lifestyle man wearing wearing my Tommy be shirt. That's short for Tommy Bahama and look in relaxed af well. That's a good man who's always a relaxed AF Danny price and Danny. How are you fairly relaxed on a scale? One to ten with ten being comatose and one being in a rage. Yeah you really like a like a a switch of like you're either Totally relaxed or in a rage. Luckily my my rage sessions Happen less often as I get older care less about things. It appears. Yeah normally You Know Tyson in is a prolific on social media but I have noticed that he is not been posting very much. You notice this Danny. Yeah no pitchers of turtles snakes. Scorpions by Black Light Tyson. What's what's going on so I dropped my phone in in the pool and it has all of my loggins because every time that I need to refresh my password I change it on my phone so I don't have on my computer anywhere and now I have to go through and everything is like two step verification and I've just given up on instagram and twitter for I can't figure Out More heart heartbroken about my Chaz Lamborghini account on Instagram at one hundred and fifty dollars following my desert tortoise in my backyard art what what are you GonNa do now. Still haven't gotten a new phone yet. I've been just using an old one that I found and and it's okay. It's whatever I told myself. I was GONNA go two full years without buying a new phone and that ends in October. We're boop luckily early. Tyson did not make his social media. Fans wait all the way until October and it turns out that by July he was back back on social media with new phone continuing to update us on his adventures all year round so a really fun summer. That Tyson had adam glad he was able to contribute to the show every single week while he was having all sorts of adventures. So let's than skip ahead to due July when we got to learn something about Danny of course that we talk so much about Danny and his love of soup on the podcast cast but we made a discovery about Danny back in July. Let's go to July sixteenth twenty nine thousand nine hundred news AF number one it ninety seven a man who appreciates a good heart attacks role. I demand Earth or water from all. Oh My neighbors were the earth and water. Yeah what do you mean shoulder subservient to my rule. Not Somebody were to leave you a casserole would you eat it. No no never. What about like a hot soup in Harman's I haven't the shell no no any store-bought chilly I don't really? I don't know guys stop. I don't store up then they bring it to your house and leave it. I don't know what happened. Happened between the store and my house. They have a car full of kids. I know it kids. You liked unattentive logistics. Yeah well they could. If they're single look look I. Don't touch it if you made it at your house. You may be the nicest person okay but if there's not a government official wandering through and you know checking do things out on a semi regular basis at this make any sense to you. Hot Soup Bar Danny is again. Why doesn't his life doesn't make sense? US US reformed hot soup bar eater reform. Throw that in. There reformed proved arms reform months ago. You were going so odd. The daily by the way was now remember. I saw that guy where we read a story. There was something there the first guy that you saw. Listen listen hear Danny would you. If it were a sealed packaging like from the grocery store would you then like a bag. twizzlers on your doorstep no. I got a short list. First of all I will accept food from very short. Maybe Robin Robber. I make that list. no no so if I were to leave a bag of twizzlers on your doorstep and it was like okay. postles leaves a bag of sealed. Candy first things first. I squeeze it to make sure that the air sealed airtight Haidinger fringe. Okay I do that yeah boom. I'm eating it so you're on the list for sealed candy. You are not on the list for baked goods or hot soups or casseroles. WHO's on that list? Some of my siblings and very few of them at that are on that list. So Danny if I saw you somewhere and way I want Danny to list the siblings that he's willing to take food from and the ones he's not no. I don't want to do that like it. Started Inter her family war okay. I will say that my siblings know who take food from because when we have dinner over my parents house and people bring dishes I always say okay. Who made this and then they say then? If it's from someone not approved I move on. I say who made this. And they'll do the ones that know that you don't eat their stuff. Also I think it's like unspoken but they might be aware because I have said who made this and then found out who was and then moved on and what you didn't announce that he moved on. Yeah but if they were paying attention they would yell. So what about do you make stuff and does your family partake of the stuff you make. They shouldn't vicious. I know they should. This is the whole reason behind. I mean I'll eat stuff made in my kitchen because that's my whole area but no one should eat. Anything made my kitchen. My Kids Zor Gross. Who knows letting flies land on it? And they're at their houses. I mean it's just yeah. I have very high standards and I feel like most of them meet those standards but you so you just a short two months ago. It was two months ago if I saw you somewhere. And my wife made you a the Mountain dew key Lime Pie. You would not accept it. Oh I accept stuff you would not eat it then I take it to the kitchen and I pretend like someone might need it. Maybe my kids will but it's not gonNa be me okay all right so let's talk. Well wait wait wait wait. Should we go I just before we cut that Pie. They won't eat it like you will. But he's not GonNa Really. You'd better glad we're not going to waste good. Make Kiddo coke zero or clear thin Pepsi sadly at least for any of our listeners. That missed that episode. We had to return all of the news. Af Listener fruitcakes that were sent to Danny's house he would not consume them. He took the man. He said he would eat them but we thought that it would be nicer. Send them back to where they came so that some at least somebody could enjoy the homebake. Goodness that was sent sent. Danny's way amazingly we're stay on July sixteen twenty nine hundred eleven because this was the summer that we were really. We had one story of the summer here on news af and we were following very closely all of the people that were trying to get out to area fifty he won to see what was going on. And let's go back to really the height of all of the area fifty one craziness from that same aim episode of News Af Back on July sixteenth twenty nineteen. What do all right? Let's big update from story. Not that did we break this story last week. We're breaking it probably not. That's not the right. We broke it but we were. We were talking worldwide Bro. We disseminated it early on right storm area. Fifty one tyson has just like a like a boulder going down. A A mountain has picked up steam. Yep Snowball the snowball effect where it's just imagine like a mountain made of humans that are sticky human starts rolling and then all the human stick together and then I hit the bottom. There's over half a million humans. Now that are planning to raid area. Fifty one on Right now so we talked about how many of those people you think are gonNA show up. Well that's a good question we last week. And what are we say that there was maybe almost two hundred doused people and now we are closing in on a million people that are going with eight hundred forty five thousand interested according to the storm area fifty one. They can't stop all of US facebook page for Friday September Twentieth Dante People. You're starting to really talk about this. Yeah but the creator of the page is getting cold feet was he came out and said it was a joke. You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube now. I know what he's trying to do. He's like this. It was all a joke. It was just a joke. He doesn't want to be held responsible for the death at the five hundred thousand or Napalming of five hundred thousand people do. It's going to be like that dream. The the Sarah Connor had or the holy hold onto the fence and she gets turned to bones. Let's get a habit of five hundred thousand people when they tried to take all time all at the same time there might not even be anything there What do you mean like they? Pack up everything and go like it's not worth all underground area a sixty listen. You don't ruin that joke. I was GONNA say no I gotta go ahead of you on that. They're the best thing to come out of. This says this guys tweet thread and he is supposedly a journalist from the UK but he could be anything but he wrote to the US Air Force on twitter on public tweet he said Hey. US Air Force. I'm a journalist here in the UK. And I have some information about the proposed rate on area fifty one if you follow me back so I can. DM You a question. I will share all my info course the US air force interests are piqued. Next screen shot of his is the profile page of the US Air Force and it says follows you so they did go oh for the Bay and follow him as he said he would share information. Investigate this hot lead to the from UK journalists the next is a DM from the man to the US Air Force that says. Is there an area. sixty-nine question mark the next screen shot is another screen shot of the US Air Force profile page. And it says you are blocked doc from following the air force so he got blocked after asking about areas sixty nine which leads me to believe that maybe indeed there is an area sixty nine I mean there. Silence is deafening here. If you're a little too close is getting to you. By the way. If you're going to have an area uh-huh sixty nine makes perfect sense because people are going to want to talk about it. Builders tickets a joke areas sixty nine. It's like no that can't be really WANNA keep that very the Very High Yeah. This is an Austin powers. Movie can have an area sixty nine. It's a great great place. I think Tyson's right areas sixty died. Yeah House Oh my friends shared that tweet with me. While I was in a very serious conversation and I could not stop giggling and the more I tried to stop up giggling the less I could stop giggling. It was a moment. I wish she were all there for you. Know that's a losing battle the losing battle these five hundred thousand people working uh-huh so there are people Feeling like this thing is going to happen. the US Air Force has had to issue a response to what happens if this is going into come to pass on September twentieth. A Air Force official Air Force always stands ready. Okay to protect America so the Air Force is backing down. That's a NAS subtle threat but but also the Americans that are going to be storming area. Fifty one are also part of America so doesn't US Air Force also have some commitment as the American no they would deem this a domestic act of terrorism Yeah Yeah I mean you can't you can't let five hundred thousand people dictate how things go to. CIA and FBI. Have I have already talked about aliens. Oh No talk to the owner of this facebook page showed up on his doorstep backtracking. Oh that's what I'm I'm saying. It was a joke. Yeah kidding interesting magin starting something they got this much attention like once in your life doing something and then you get out of control like this was something you did like a drunk host Joel. Kony two thousand twelve day. Yeah it started off as a joke. And now you've been tied into what could be the massacure massacre of hundreds of thousands. This Day would be on on American history. The slaughter of five hundred thousand people. The blood will be on his hands. That's one hundred thousand eight hundred thousand. By the time this airs bears. We could be up to one point two million It's all going to happen secretly. I'm really hoping this happens because there hasn't been any really good news along. I'd really be interested to see trump's to this well it's not just trump would just make for a great news day in a bad way depending on how it's it could really get space force off the ground yet. Will the Space Force This have we been talking about space base force. It hasn't really taken up airspace force. Whatever The the Paris coping aliens live from area fifty. One I think that Getting a lot of attention. They're never gonNA get close enough to those aliens before they get mowed down this salt rock from thought off shotguns which will be the weapon of choice for the Air Force Mine that salt rock ties true salt. As a precious commodity in Galilee Aliens Nearby Future Occurs. There is a mean from our group AF that eh one of our listeners Christine Marie shared. Danny it's as everyone thinks. One hundred thousand people go to show up at area fifty one. Anyone who's ever been in a local band knows that no more than twelve people. I think that sounds. That sounds optimistic to mystic. Twelve people people out of eight hundred thousand are GonNa roll into town. That's the thing is so far away bike if I'm out. West was doing like a promotion or something then. I could see this really happening if they were like prove that you were at area fifty one. We'll give you half price on your tickets. That's what we should do. START A facebook book. Page says all the discounts available to these people if that's the thing they're really going. FULL PROOF VESTS SHOVELS WIRE-CUTTERS I. I'm looking at tripadvisor right now. To See if I can find any hotels near area fifty one see if I can get a hotel that night I bet they probably all sold Out or get one right now and then you can sell yours for premium dude. That's good so on. I want the night the night of the night at my checking out the twentieth or the twenty first. I don't don't think there's any checking out. Check any what you're going to have to do is to say by the whole block hotels. I think go for it. If this is GONNA go off. I think that we will see evidence Vince beforehand. I think maybe a with leading up to it a week or so we'll start to see. RV's news crews. I think there'll be some indications whether or not a larger people are going to show up about like a week or two before. So what do you think I got. The fairfield looks like there's a lot of availability for this weekend whereas it telling you to stay boy dean Wyndham Roswell Sixty five dollars Roswell different laws house in New Mexico area. Fifty one's in well. These are the closest Roswell New Mexico. New Mexico doesn't even Border Nevada Well I did hotels near Alien Zone area. Fifty one off your search on the page on tripadvisor Roswell Is Different Frost. IRA keep look keep looking if he could find any deals near all orbits to just yes orbits is good because that says like a planetary Do it or do we WANNA do airbnb get a whole house. Then you can put put however. Many people are not area fifty one. No No. Should we plan different outing to Roswell we could government I don't know there's government stop or that was just the site of a crash. A government area like area sixty nine and as it turned out that there was not that much action going on at area fifty one or areas sixty nine for that matter only a few. The people showed up. Nobody was vaporized by the The powers that be over at area fifty one But that's only the area fifty fifty one twenty nine thousand nine. Who knows what the future holds for Future Storm Area Fifty One events twenty nineteen? He was a big year. We had our two hundred episode of News Af Back on August eighth twenty nineteen and we did some QNA with our our listeners and we got on the subject to talk about one of my favorite things which was cameo dot com. Here's a highlight from news AF episode number two hundred. What boop Jen Manning wants to know where in the world is my favorite news AF character? Ken Bone Okay. Okay Yeah don't you remember when he got. Ken Boned Ken Bono. He's well I can tell you the answer is it's the same as the Bagel boss guy. he is also available on CAMEO DOT com. Danny how much for a cameo from. Ken Boning running twenty five dollars five dollars higher or lower four TV personality. Ken Bone well. It's hard to go lower more than that because I think that's probably the standard rate but I am going to say Stephen Fishbach was ten dollars. I'm GONNA say lower. You'd go lower lower than twenty-five yeah I mean I think in his prime when he had that Sherrod News over two thousand sixteen sure cover twenty eight again twenty dollars for Ken. Ken Bone Essay on Cameo by. What's he talking about okay? Here's here's Ken Buzz so help. The homeless list helped me and give your friends and I surprised when they see my gigantic head five another I like that better than agree. Twenty eight what an average messages like from Kenmore I for twenty dollars maybe we could splurge on. Ken Bone congrats on two hundred episodes. Maybe this is Ken bone. I heard you guys got a big golf tournament coming up. Well good luck at the battle. Guys I'm going to be watching live and I expect mark the short to shit his pants. Okay you're absolutely Ken How many how do you feel now really said? He's like a Disney actor who in order to be taken seriously sheds. It's that Miley Cyrus boy. I Love Cameo so much. Are you ever on it. Rob No I never remember Chris Hansen from a to catch a Predator worse. Yeah he's he's on there. He's fallen fallen on hard times. He's available dating. How much Chris Hanson? Oh what do you get him to say. What are you? Sit Down and take a seat without wine cooler. Tell me what's in the bag that you came anymore because you were worried about her meeting Predator the experts in the way. What did you mean when you texted? I'm your number neighbor. Why take a bag of conduct get a message from him? That says this is Chris Hansen. I'm your neighbor. How much Danny the man? He's got seventy five dollars. Seventy five dollars thyssen higher lower lower. You can't be Tyson at this game fifty bucks and what all he's saying is lower or higher. He's not even really take you set the over under your setting the over undertaking. Yeah okay hold on hold on. Here's Chris Hansen's okay Franklin or should I call you by your online screen names. Franklin brought the Franklin. I'm going to be honest. This seems so demeaning like fresh vedic remember when Brett Farve I did one didn't for like all right grope. Yeah why would Brett Farve do it. He has so much money. I don't know I don't get this box walks. Dude there's more respect to a guy twirling assign on a corner to go get some pizza then. There is to do this God. I wish had pizza right now. Now you say yeah okay anybody else news AF related. Oh they can take. Oh okay all right. So it's over under PROSAIC Tako thirty dollars dollars lower yeah higher one fifty one fifty way. Hi this is The kind of stuff goes talking about. What's up buddy? Happy Birthday Joe by the wait. Is Jose Canseco. I heard you're pretty good. wiffle ball player. Listen you could never be me. I am the man in whiff and you WANNA play football. I will show you how to do it. The right way by the way happy birthday. That was less demeaning than Chris Hansen. And the KEN boom. It was least related to his sport away. How many reviews does Jose Kaneko. He has thirty one reviews. Okay so all of them glowing wean. They're all glowing reviews from Kaneko. All right so a lot of good stuff going on cameo I love it. Love it so much okay. Should I get on cameo I mean there are a lot of reality. TV personalities on there. But I bet they don't make any money I don't know I don't think the I for whatever I don't think that the survivor players Do a lot to from the last past season of survivor Neil ticket. Hey Hot guy gets strike while the iron is hot. They don't don't realize that nobody cares. Yeah it's not it's not a windfall on on the cameo for some people if you're wacky not enough. I think that there's some if you do it in bulk food and in an update to this story Tyson Apostol is now on cameo and you you can book a cameo with Tyson over on cameo dot com going over to cameo dot com slash Tyson apostol cameo from Tyson okay before we get to our next clip in our best of twenty nineteen special here on news af I wanna take a moment thank our. Our sponsors is absurd and those are friends over at talk. Space and talk. Space is an incredible service which is an online way for you to speak with a therapist. It's not always easy to confide in family and friends unless you have friends like Danny enticing but the best advice comes from people who are unbiased. That's we're talk. Space comes in talks. Base online therapy matches you with a licensed therapist trained to be an active and non-judgmental judgmental listener with therapy. There's no one-size-fits-all talks therapists are trained. In more than forty specialties. 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Two Thousand Nine Hundred Ninety boop Danny if you had to guess millennials favorite type of food based on years of doing this. podcast what do you what do you think it is of Qatar Toast. Avocado tells you would think right right but no a new study. Says that millennials favorite food is wait. Yeah Tyson Dragon Fruit. No no it is millennials. Say that their favorite food is Italian food. Can you believe it. Or I think they're Pumpkin US dude but pumpkin mother nature thinking last. I think that facebook secret fakes group facebook group. With if millennials who are like trying to punk generation on facebook this is from Fox News Dot Com. They're pretty tapped. Into what the heels thinking and Sail Almar than anybody. Probably what millennials want. Yes so they say that they were there reporting this research. Italian foods their favourite because instagram is it though he gives little good. I'm going to admit to something right now sometimes late at night on when nobody's watching on I will look over my wife's shoulder as she scrolls through instagram at ah food what do you tell them. Food and cigarette anyway. It seems like desserts are more instagram. -able the than salty dishes. What I've seen cupcakes cookies cakes pies? They tend to be more instagram. As far as I can tell then like a sloppy pasta. You Know Pasta Pasta doesn't have the cue colors. It tends to be unorganized or disorganized is like just all over the place where the gross sauce where she can have a beautiful colored cupcake with something fancy coming out of it. I saw this woman did Qabala Mingo and that seems more instagram. Get detailed food. This is from the instagram of one. Millennial talk about Italian food so this is yeah this one person talking about it affects all those days out there on the island. When I get home I want to eat and I love to cook today? I'm making a beautiful red sauce with the lamb and sausage edge now every Italian nose to send to buy sauce out of job. Yeah sound like millennial money all right quip. I've ever heard Memorial Komo News. That was that was a gen xer pretending to be a millennial that was that that was for sure. A millennial I've record I'd recognize that voice whereas the voice of the millennial their voice that's a collective voice. I'm sorry rob I bet did not sound all millennial voices two into one voice that would be it ties. Do you think Pasta is the most instagram aimable food pasta. Yup Yes no yeah lamb sausage off raid. You'll instagram. Yeah I think Sushi is pretty instagram while I love Sushi way better but it's interesting that the the question wasn't what's the most instagram -able food. What's your favorite food and the answer was talion food because it's because it's integral sixty percent of of the young adults who love Italian food because it tastes good but ten percenter saying that instagram? Why that's putting it over the time? Where did they survey? Where was this survey done? This is a study of two thousand adults found Almost three quarters of twenty to thirty five year olds described Italian. Food is your favorite type of cuisine. Danny so next time you get some Italian food then not a huge fan end of Italian food. I guess it makes me not yeah. Yeah what BOO and of course. Everybody knows the favorite food of Gen. xers like Danny the hot soup of course very instagram -able. Don't hold the phone too close to the hatsuko steam up the camera that'll be not not ideal Fight Okay there you go. I was crying again. Listening to clip of the millennial talking about their favorite Italian foods on instagram. Okay let's go to October. Twenty ninth two thousand nineteen. This was maybe the thing that got me. The most host hot over speaking of hot and steaming up the camera lens the thing that got me the most heated jarring news AF in twenty nineteen. This comes to us from October. Twenty Ninth Twenty Nine Thousand Nine Episode Number to twelve and it came about talking about the battle between the online online streaming service Netflix and the content Creator Judd appetite. How who was very upset does not want net flicks to add an option win? That will allow you to view net flicks at a faster speed. This is from episode to twelve October. Twenty nine twenty nineteen. What what boo? Let's mention story. That's going on here. Now Dan have you ever watched videos sped up. Have you ever altered the speed lead of the videos that you watch not videos but obviously PODCASTS VER- and books very popular feature all watch videos in like on Marco Marco Polo the APP all watch videos video chat. Marco Polo is a video. Chat APP. That you can send videos to and from each other. But it's video messaging and you can do Groups and stuff. It's really fun. It's fun stupid I have done my wife does Marco Polo and annoys me. I don't WanNa talk about. It is on Netflix. I will skip like so. I don't aw I don't play quickly but I will skip ten seconds so that's probably the same thing right. Yeah I guess so. If you'd like Skim through Oh is that what we saw like sometimes on Youtube you. You've got that ten second button and a couple of other video things. Sometimes I'll sit there and hit the ten seconds into a relevant part art so yes so net flicks is playing around with the idea of potentially allowing viewers to be able to watch. It's shows on a faster. Astor's speed and comedian producer. Director Judd. Appetite has said hold up bro Slowdown. Do not mess with the speed of our shows and is now calling on Netflix. To abandon plans for this feature Tyson Tyson. I also kind of agree that you should not put. Also why okay does it matter if you're in it for the art and the artistic qualities of production then you're not going to watch that too anyway exactly. But if if you're just trying to like you know get through. All the game of thrones so you can be relevant conversations. But why should I be allowed to do this because ah here's how he went on twitter. He said no at flicks afflicts at Netflix. No don't make me have to call every director in show creator on Earth to fight you on this. Save me the time I will win but it will take a ton of time. Don't F with our timing. We give you nice things. Leave them as we intended them to be seen. Judd I get where he's coming from. No now Danny because you know no person on Earth listens to me talk at my normal speaking speed. Why why does jet APPA CAL get to put his foot down? I go places in Public Danny and I'm talking to people. They tell me Bro. Rob What is wrong with you. You sound like there. You are suffering from brain injury. I'm not used to hearing you talk so slowly Japa- Tau get only be heard at the speed. Did he gets to want to be heard at. I think that first of all is not your not just hearing him. You're watching his art that he created that he specifically edited to be at a certain pace the punchline beans placer Tanny I will. Obviously you're irritated so it sounds like you would support this if it wasn't already happening to you the busy I wanNa Watch your show at one point five x okay right well. It sounds like you're going to have the opportunity to do that. All I'm saying I can kind of understand Judd's coming from I can't listen to podcasts Speed to like Alvin and the chipmunks. Exactly actually I'm with you on that. I've never listened to any podcast at after listening to America space. I've done to acts. But if people want the option and they're the ones that are missing out on the art and the punch line and that that's how then that's fine with me. Maybe the brains will switch to add the timing anyways because I respect your work but you know what I think. All of his I respect all his work. I I'm still GONNA get. This is forty at one point. Three speed I get it. It's not going to be like. Oh Rob Rob Rob activists terrible. Everything was so rushed. I would watch. All of Rachel shows on speed speedier setting and then watch all of my shows on regular probably a Tyson everytime she walks out of the room make it go like a tenth of an ex. It wasn't even the frog in the pot of boiling water. Your watch our shows a eventually brought up a great point now not not. Only with the argument be over. What movie to watch but what speed to watch it at? It's just now. You'RE GONNA be arguing with your wife. which should we watch what speed we WANNA watch it? Ed What points you stop at heading. It's going to be too fast and we're going to be like everyone that again and let's watch it and enjoy. Hey Jude Abbott. How here beat the system is them make? Everybody Acts Slow Dude. That's what school I have Something relevant story to this. Yeah my dad owns a construction company. And when I was a teenager I used to work in the summers for him and one house had a time lapse camera set up been a tree. Time lapse the entire construction of their house and they would only record from noon to two in the afternoon every day time lapse and also the house just looks like and so one day from noon to two. I spent a full two hours walking in slow motion as I possibly could crossed the entire span of the camera so that I would be walking normal through the whole thing name as the house is going up around like one guy. I just like walking normal speed in my mind. It was so perfect time traveling. Yeah Yeah and then. In the winter the snow came and destroyed the camera and nobody ever got to see that footage so I never knew if it even worked or not but oh man in my mind it was so perfect. Okay so we'll we'll see see if we ever end up getting that Tyson footage we'll see if flex ever ends up Giving us the feature to watch shows faster because you know what I can do it on a lot of different APPS already. I can do this on Youtube. I can do this on youtube faster. Oh yeah that's just like a drop down into a bunch of APPs that I have guess. What Judd Appetito? I have an APP that if I watch Netflix on my computer I could do this already. Our ROB is so passionate about this subject. You really is audience to watch a movie at a faster speed if I want to. Because you're manipulating someone else's are but if you pay for the art should be able to go to museum Tyson and I could look at a painting with a kaleidoscope. Oh He's Van Gogh going to come. No No yes maybe van go ahead cross my eyes and look at a painting. Whatever I want that's true? You could easy. Well we know what you make our let people enjoy it however they won or not enjoy it. That's up to them right. Whatever who cares passionately? Listen I am so I'm GonNa take your site. Yeah it's hard to argue with rod right now because he's GonNa beach down. Well Thought Auburn High Horse on this stuff that had come down from the ivory chair that I thrown the Thais. APPLEBEE'S I thirty three JAPA- Tau. Yeah I stand by the opinion of October Rob Sister Nino because that I I look I put on this Irishman movie on Net flicks and believe you me three and a half hour run time. I was all watching that baby on on my computer the other day one point three one point four it was only helping me be less jarred by the he d aging of Al Pacino in the movie I mean they D- aged his face but he still was walking around with like an eighty year year. Old Body believe me the watching it at one point four only helped. I'm sure Martin Scorsese is no fan of but if you're making a three and a half our movie you can make the movie as long as you want. I should still be able to watch it or whatever speed I want. Okay all right. Let's then skip ahead. Let's go to in November jam-packed fall on news af and let's tell the story of a woman who made headlines after she got into it with the driver of an Uber and the female passenger in the back of the Uber and as a she Really ranted and raved on the woman who was in the back seat of the Uber. Her kids were nearby in the backseat. Accede of her own vehicle listening to something known as kids Bob. So let's hear the saga of Kids Bob Karen from episode number two thirteen on November fifth. Twenty nine hundred. So Danny you talked about how you almost ran into some people with with your car. That was that was the situation that unfolded did with a viral video. That's going around where there was an altercation between an Uber driver with the passenger during the back and a mom who is driving her kids around. Who is now being dubbed kids? Bob Mom I'm not a great nickname does really flow flow. What's a real name? I think are real name is Karen Karen Erin is also her name like okay all right so kids kids BOP. Karen was captured assured in a video that basically she I think she was off. And she's GonNa. She's come for the Uber for driver. And so here here. She is in this viral video. And I have to warn you if you are driving around with in the car with your kids turn her. You want to turn up the kids BOP now before kids. Bop Karen is going to go off on these. Yeah she's going. She's she's prepped. She's not okay. Here's kids Bob. Karen I know that's why I say sorry. She thinks it's cute. Her driver almost hit my kids and she thinks she needs to take video event. They instead of apologizing shopping in the middle of the Rose in the hell I mean okay. I'm sorry I apologize. That didn't upset me. But the sorry the Hometown of credit being a bitch. Your client sorry. But you're calling you bitch and example Ari and the kids for me calling you. Have your windows open. Can't hear me because they're listening to Ken. Cop Robinson background was the woman talking to the window. Yoshi the one dancing in the street. She was she doing dancing in the streets. Now you know what I don't understand So that the mom claims that you almost hit my kids. I'm not sure of her kids. Were in the car so I'm not sure exactly yeah. The Uber driver cut off the car. And then she's like I don't know if she like basically like did the police move where the air she got. The other car to pullover says she could go off on the Uber driver. In the woman in the back seat but Tyson you are big proponent always of public shaming it seems like the act of the woman in the back seat filming. The lady who was yelling seems driven her her insane. Yeah that's exactly what you WANNA do like any time. Somebody starts to lose their shit metro phone. You take out your phone. Where does come into this feel confused? She said that she was calling the woman in the back seat. Who was filming? Who did it does seem to be saying anything angry? She was filming in the back seat and then she was going off and calling her the B word and she she said well. You aren't going to hear you calling me that name. I say my kids are in the back seat listening to kids BOP right here. Anything soundproof booth all right. So I now it all makes sense. I see what's going on here. Yeah Yeah Kids Bob. Caron is sweeping the Nation Tyson. The next time my wife is really going off. I'm just GONNA get my phone out and do this do this to hire your phone is ah is it a shield or is it will aggravate them but it will keep them from doing anything. Violent twist Tyson of people behaving poorly while being recorded. Yeah no I think that towards the person being recorded it's never never towards the phone holder but a quick search People being assaulted while almost never during the phone we all accept that it takes guts though to take out a phone When something like this is happening because you're going to it's going to amp things? Yes yes that's for sure but we create like this you know As much you'd like to think complaint phone as someone record we all by this point in our lives. No we're being recorded you cannot. It's impossible to do a tricky one. Yeah Yeah so so I think the phone almost is like okay now. I'm angry at the phone is almost like like like I'm rubber and your glue. It's it's like the phone just like the anger back to them. It's like okay. I'm being saying I'm holding the phone. I'm just recording. ooh I I use it to record Like or pretend to record like if brigands having a fit or something I'm like okay. Bakool just record this we can watch it later. And then she's like immediately like do I'm okay and I I mean I think you can do a lot with recording people. Want the evidence just in case you wind up in court it almost always makes sense to start recording what we really need. Is Google glass. Take it a little bit more discreet. And then what do you do you sort of like Thank you swipe arm wants. Is that what it is. Well whatever it is I do believe that the phone does act of a key as a kind of shield to most people but also acts as catalyst to rage like Rob Rob's great excellent voice that he keeps doing and the phone comes out. I think that's true like hey what are you gonNa stop in and the phone and I also feel like we've talked about this when a phone comes out. Sometimes people feel like that to perform now. I'm being recorded. I'M GONNA make real we. You see this a lot with the bad airline passenger when the bad airline passenger of the week realizes that they're being we dated act that Women start working. Oh okay like what we go thanks. Do you feel like the reality. TV people are uniquely prepared for then when they filmed in the big moment in public. And Yeah Yeah probably in that. I know that if if I lost my shoot in public. Don't think I would ever do because I'm already some people already know me so to have that go around would be horrific and I mean as much as I want to lose my shit all the time and and I think we're prepared for it. I think we if somebody pulled out their phone and I was like losing it. I'd I just turn it off immediately and just like Oh what are you filming now. You turn it off that your your anger as opposed to show off immediately. The kids Bob Caron the ghetto of cameras. They know what to do. Yeah not sure understand the power of the Internet. Probably I think once you understand and respect and worship with the power of the Internet you mean the the mob using the Internet without the Internet the mob would be useless useless without the mob. The Internet would be used MHM. We'd be solved. We'd be carrying a interesting. You feel like that back. In the day the angry mob used is to just carry around pitchforks. But now it's smartphones. Yeah for sure no with the angry mob. Yeah well the angry mob in the moment. Don't even worse than that rob. Because so it's like a saint person filming and then they put it online and then the mob swarms after that everybody because we we can all agree in that moment. That lady overreacted. And so everybody's upset but you can also probably remember a time when you've overreacted and thank goodness. That's on camera somewhere on red. Yeah the good thing about the The mob in the olden days is that you got a good look at everyone carrying torches and pitchforks Oh bob my neighbor anonymous right for the most part. These are complete strangers from hundreds of miles not thousands of miles away. So it's still the the mob is no longer a personal experience. It used to be friends and family gathered together to carry you on their shoulders to the stake. The people you knew the neighbors the blacksmith and now it's just not you don't even have that personal touch it's just anonymous egg heads. I shouting at you and destroying your business in livelihood because like Tyson. Said you overreacted. Once or twice or whatever amount we all do it right. Yeah This lady but shame maybe next time this will have a positive effect and that she won't come after the person and yell at them through the window and then Kids I don't even mind yelling at them through the window like roll down and be like yeah. What was that and him saying? I'm sorry and be like no sweat. Just don't don't text and drive. Next time I feel bad. I was like demanded that started and I heard that Uber driver apologize. I was embarrassed. I can't this feeling came over me like I was embarrassed. There's for the lady yelling at my nothing more than most you can do. And he was yeah he was really sorry. You you could tell and Kids Bop Karen. She's also apologized for her behavior in the video. So do it in the song she she did not but she did answer a what song where the kids listening to. It was kids BOP Old Town Road Tyson. And here's the question. Would she have apologized. If there had been no video billboard how would she well well. Let's say she could somehow contact the uber driver. Let's she had the ability but there was no video. My guess is that you would never apologise. Maybe though maybe she would have I have I can remember. Remember moments where I've overreacted. And Gone Back and apologized. Okay even though I was initially in the right I made it the raw sincere apology. No no no I said even though I was in the right. Initially my overreaction caused me then to be in the wrong episode colleges colleges for the overreaction even though you were technically rubbing apologized for the overreaction even know it was right yeah so I'm sorry I shouldn't act that way crazy is he wasn't he was Danny from hanging out with the anti mom. The future for kids bought MOM ON CAMEO CAMEO DOT COM. No she's going to try for sure. Yeah I think so for sure but not if she keeps apologizing or maybe get an angry angry one from her and then you get an apology video from her after that or should because rapper you'll be word to get out of here and then like ten minutes later it's like I'm so sorry I overreacted. So if you're only listening to the audio the best part of the video is when she's talking to the woman who's who's the wounds just like filming her and she's like okay. Calm down calm down calm as you just like a hand motion for come like she talks to the woman in the backseat. Like she's three years old also like she's not calm the calm down calm down. But she's the one who's really crazy telling the person that's how you know someone's out of their head D- with their words at all is a completely contradicts your actions and makes zero sense. Yeah I wonder if Tyson is the person listen who says calmed down in the argument typically the person that might need to calm down yes like ninety nine point nine percent of the time although although telling an angry person to calm down is one of the most infuriating thing say to somewhat fuel on the fire. Like if you have somebody waited out your excuse me Sir you could you come down. They're going ape shit. Yeah it's like game over for them trying to think back to some of my own conversations with my wife and I often feel like when she she's telling me to calm down when she is really set off and then have you ever tried to tell her to calm down when she said off tried. I do all my if somebody could pay. Just walk around and tell calm down. Everywhere I go get more angry. Come on wake would be able to do some kind of reverse. Psychology can do that with kids so Yeah you can do that. Bergen trained scream louder. Cry Harder Cry Harder rotter swear at me more. Yeah Oh yeah Oh yeah yell at me Oh am I showed him on drums game next time. I'd love to see that so much practical parenting advice that you get on every episode of News Af all right we are going to then go. Oh to the end of November and come back around talking about cameo once again because it was a nother big news story that we covered extensively Siddeley where the singer songwriter a TV host big brother celebrity contestant mark McGrath made headlines as he was willing to break up a relationship for the Mir fee of one hundred dollars dollars on cameo dot com. Let's listen to our breakdown of mark. McGrath breaking up a couple on November. Twenty six twenty nineteen episode number two sixteen of news editor huge story from one of my favorite websites has been trending in these last twenty four hours Tyson. You and I have discussed for a couple of years. The website Cameo Dot Com uh-huh where all the famous people can go and finally they can get their voice out to the masses for aren nominal fee for a nominal fee. Yeah We love it. I've been encouraged to get on there. A bunch of times if we can get a petition dot org to get What is it eight thousand a signatures for me to join Cameo? It's only been in Canada. I thought Oh it's five thousand. I will do a cameo. Sometimes we've watched a few of these videos. They kinda give off of hostage vibe like people reading a hostage letter like hey how are you. And sometimes they do it a little over the top but the Auburn was from the heart. You could tell that one was hard. It shouldn't have been scrutinized that letter a little bit more but I feel like these are celebrities ladies who are trapped cameo. And it's like they're they're they're saying things they don't feel it or this it cameo in question comes from Danny one of your fellow musicians. The frontman of the band. Sugar Ray mark McGrath actually made news this week. Are you a fan of the sugar. Ray I remember a song. What's their big song? What is there every morning saying no more songs than I do? Think they've got a couple of other a couple of other ones. That are pretty big. Bless you had his poster on my wall and you did have have t shirts to and remember you would always be like. I have abandoned. I wanted to be like sugar ray. I called it Sugar Dan Right. We say let's let's just say I had his poster on my wall. You didn't really though no okay. I don't know any of their music but go ahead okay. It's not the same genre that you've listened to now. It's not I listen to music. I think has a little bit angry you listen to angry media depresses. Yeah yeah look if you were making so one hundred dollar cameos. After you had like a very successful career you'd be ready to make some depressing music too. I'm sure that that's just right around. The corner corner is about to release a new album called Cameo. I think right before you make depressing music. I think you make cameos. I think that's the order of progress. Yeah so mark. McGrath was recently paid one hundred dollars to break up with a woman's boyfriend over cameo meal. I think I think set to do this for free. I think he did offer this service to somebody wants you. Oh Yeah would you dump people for free or charge a fee. Well I think now I have to charge a fee especially now that we've put it out there. I'm going to millions of people in one dollars. Well you husband for me ninety nine dollars. That's that's next level stuff rob fly me out and pay me a few thousand dollars all all do in person. No don't do it in person. You'll get stabbed. Yeah at some point. You don't WanNa get into a loop. What about would you serve divorce papers in person? Yeah they thank God. It's like well I've got some bad news. Here's Yasser No I'm your favorite survivor. Congestive all the time. But I'm not here for you. I'm here on behalf of your significant. I'm actually here. It is actually get your signature. Well the next step so this is like pretty serving divorce voice papers because I guess what I see movies. It's hard to find the person if you know you're GONNA you're don't accept. Yes yeah then you can never get divorced. That's true if you have like. Hey Ho hold on a second. Is that MacAulay Culkin from ally Malone. I wouldn't eat really concerned if he was standing in front of my door and I saw him through my ring I did. He actually looks like he's he's lived life. No I get on the intercom. I don't have any drugs. I talked to him through the door for a little while and smarter growl now. Oh no I would really be. The shoe would be on the other foot if you're inside the house and he was trying to break in. Yeah Oh my gosh. You'll never get in that story. Is that the reboot of of home. Alone is him trying to get in other people's homes now to serve them papers during the holidays. Maybe actually I believe that's a pretty good movie. I liked that. Maybe he's trying to serve the divorce papers and then he's GonNa break up a family and then the kids don't want the parents to get divorced so it's like all right if we don't let this guy into the House then mom and dad can't get divorced. Oh and then he's getting awesome. They're setting up little booby traps and he's you should remember a lot of them but he doesn't you've been through a lot. He's been through a lot pineapple express storyline there some home alone. Yeah all right Do you want to hear mark. McGrath breaking up with the boyfriend over cameo so percent yes all right. This is the message that was that was sent from mark. McGrath to break up with this woman's boyfriend. Hey Okay what is upgrading. Is Mark McGrath a from the band. Sugar Ray off the charts but always in your heart this. This was booked by hand. And she wants you to know a few things and this is a little difficult for me to say because it's the first one of these I've done but she wanted to. I would ever a letter. You mean the world to her but she's having difficulty staying in this long distance relationship. You know it's tough. I've been on the road for years with my wife and long-time the biggest arguments. The biggest obstacle relationships ships is the distance between us. Makes it very difficult around the road And it's hard so. Cheyenne is trying to Gino brain dead. It's very very tough for her to stay in this relationship she still cares about you a lot. You never know the future may hold and she still wants to be friends with you because obviously she's cares about you very very much. Wants you to know. Good luck on your thesis. Timing Cheyenne do on his thesis. Who says you know? Danny what is the response of the message to Cheyenne Cheyenne. Have we checked his blinky for Morse. Code is Martin McGrath being held against his will. This is so great because painful. This this is now. This is the era that I have been waiting for and I didn't know I was waiting for it but I am where we pay celebrities. who think they're eh so rad to do the dumbest and most difficult things that we don't WanNa deal? Yeah and just do whatever whatever okay. So you're saying that the next step is then celebrity Uber. Celebrity door dash where it's like. Well I couldn't get you know. Pay Eighteen dollars dollars to get the pizza but I pay seventy dollars to the mark. McGrath is deliver the pizza and seeing a melody as is he put it a special request for him to sing something while he hands it over to you. Yeah wow this is. This is thirties because then it it towards the turn to prostitution and or no you know what I mean they. They don't have to go down that route we're offering them another outlet when they become washed up Yeah I'm not sure if I grew logic danny just saying that a lot of these people. They've got nowhere else to turn turn right once their career ends and sometimes they turn to more. CD Business Practices and what you're offering honest money to drug drug. Danny what this be. Yeah how so. Well it's like hey also saw pay you X.. To do the next one. Uh Well. I'm already doing it so okay. I see what you're saying this is this is actually going to the. I'm already making humiliating videos videos online. You're I think you're right. I think I had it backwards. I would like to know. What do you think the next phone call all between Brayden and Cheyenne went with? Because I feel like that man I feel she has to change your number at this point. Like she's just gotTa go stem it really mark McGrady like more McGrath. But that's what makes us so funny to think the no one saw alive the guy from surreal life when the guy. He was inflammatory on celebrity. Big Brother that's how he's known. Now I I do like it because if you're going to fire someone you could hire someone like this to do this. This is the future that's saying any difficult conversations like rob. Let's say okay. Something crazy happened on one of your favorite TV shows and it's very difficult for you to talk about and approach in a yes or no way. That's that's going to be pleasing to everyone so what you do is you hire mark. McGrath ask to just you know do a thing. And then you're like absolves completely from messing up at all in the blow is softened and by it being delivered by someone like this. You know what I mean. It's so confusing totally short circuits people who receive messages. Like if you're being fired but it comes from this guy's face it's like I don't even know how to take this news by the time they digested it. You've already moved on Yeah so Danny will we now have a different reaction where you see like Oh Danny pricing you have an incoming message from Lindsay Lohan. What happened yeah actually it will make it so that when you see a celebrity you turn and run which is again benefiting celebrities especially the lower tier celebrities? Because now you're you're not going to be harassing them as much so they don't WanNa get served breathing space Ya. You don't know what kind of message that are gonNA share. Yes so you're like walking down the street and all of a sudden you see Lindsay Lindsay Lohan pop out and you know Kim Kardashian Rob Rob Sesto and you just turn and run across the street Tyson. How do you think Brayton's a thesis is going to come out and angry? He'll probably get an A.. Yeah the philosophy. What is he doing here? I don't know I also think mark McGrath says thesis really weird. He says it. Good luck on your. This is coming up the second time when he s these says he says he's just emphasizing. It spent a little cute little spin on a it really. You should've waited for him to finish his thesis I Yeah I love that went viral and I love at this is now mark. McGrath is best known for also a Danny. Cheyenne definitely has already met somebody right. Yeah for sure. Poor timing right before the holidays I did see I saw some study about which state breaks up the most often before which is a weird weird survey to take but there are some states where breaking up for the holidays the move. I don't know yeah it is. You know why it's sleep number presents. No that's not the big move. Yeah why parents to be all of that. Yeah the big move is having to do a bunch of stuff with the other family if if you're just getting anyways yeah so if you if you're like okay I gotTa do this chore of Going To this other families and doing this other families thing and then pretending like I'm totally down with this other family only to then break up after the holidays. That doesn't make sense. I WANNA get it. Yeah now so that I don't have to do. It's also time it right. You can get a present from him and then break up right after you still get what you want. That's true and shared. He spent her one hundred dollars on mark McGrath. So yeah. That's his present. This is going to be marked. McGrath's thing exclusively like you think. Think that people like We'll turn we'll mark McGrath HAP- like nineteen new cameo requests for breakup today. I hope so. I handled that he put in some personal touches. He you know he did it with great skill delivered. It was awesome. Yeah is there a better person than mark McGrath to have for a breakup. I'm looking on automobile Dr Phil I. I don't know if he's on there. There's no way he's on there but he'd be a good guy three Hudson who's that is Winston from the ghostbusters. Oh that'd that'd be cool. Yeah but he wouldn't be better. I think he'd need like somebody serious. Like somebody from the Godfather films. What about Steve Gutenberg? A cool also very cool. How much is he? He's only one twenty-five Gutenberg. How about Christopher Walken? If he's on there he wouldn't be on there but I'm thinking in terms of delivery you wouldn't wash it okay. I am broken up does gravitas. Yeah what about our old friend. Ken Bone type. No you just be receiving a break-up from stranger not I can't balance star has crashed to the. Here's what about Bagel Bali No. He was hospitalized for a fight. Something happening he had a stroke broke or a heart attack. He's off why Stephen Fish back. Oh Yeah we should hire how much I think he works cheap but I do. I do think that he is not active on cameo right now but he is eloquent. What boo I said? At the beginning of the show that we're going to go through the year mostly it chronologically that was going through the year as The calendar dictates. I have one last clip for you and it is a little extemporaneous because that it was an unforgettable story that we heard this year. We're going to bring you it. It was a special episode of News Af Episode Number One ninety eight where we got to hear a harrowing tale of survival from from our own Danny Bryson so this is going to be a long one. Let let's bring you the story of Danny's Harrowing Helicopter Hop to ride in death defying adventure. This is from news AF number one ninety eight back on July twenty fifth with twenty nineteen. What happened we were supposed to? We were waiting to get up okay. We're going to record any with telling us about how that this journey had become more and more harrowing. So what's been going on so we took a Robinson r sixty six helicopter that my friends is. Oh he's a garbage actually. It's a pretty cool helicopter. The problem with the helicopter is that it has a flexible rotor systems. So that thing that's spins on top. The blades leads aren't stiff. So one thing you have to watch out for not Est.. When you don't have a stiff blade but one of the things you have to watch out for in turbulence supposedly Robinson you can slap if you if you go up and down too hard you can slap that top rotor on the tail of the helicopter and the whole thing falls to pieces so you have to be very careful interprets now so we can fly? What is the reason? The trade off is that as I understand it the floppy is a trade off. It allows house you first of all to be lighter as a helicopter and it gives you more maneuverability so you you lose a lot of weight by not having the rigid system and then you become more maneuverable. It's a cool helicopter but it's not very fast. I think our average speed is probably one hundred knots. I don't know what that translates sates into miles per hour. But someone else figure that out so anyway. One hundred nautical miles per hour indicator was so we started here here. Okay one fifteen but with strict off your head no I looked it up okay. I've actually I've actually been wondering type. A two two hundred knots Tyson. That's two hundred and thirty mile or we. Our goal is to fly as far north as we could. We wanted to go all the way to the top of Alaska right weather permitting. So we kind of set off with his idea to go to the top of Alaska and right away. We realized that this was a very ambitious goal. It maybe a little overreach because we got to Montana. You plan stops or you just look for stop says you were flying. That was part of the problem. Is that you you have to stop obviously to get jet fuel. Aw Jesse was a little bit more rare than abby gas. So you're you have to plant way. What are you calling? It added gas. Avi Gas these what they call it a hundred Leader adding gases aviation gas. Yeah what what all the smaller planes used to play. What floppy Keller's yeah? We we fly up to the border because you have to get clearance from Canada to enter. Would you also have to get permission from America to leave. It's very confusing. So you have to say to America. Hey we're going to leave you ever going to cross the border and this is GonNa answer you again. They were gonNA will enter you later right now. We're going to enter Canada always in this day. So you have to set up this. You have to go through all of this paperwork online to leave America right to file it. You have to wait for permission and then you land in Canada. You call some guy up and you're like hey. We're in Canada cool. Welcome to Canada. That's it okay. So so anyway. We fly to Canada is a horrible day that we find candidates on our second day of flying. I'm puking all over over the place in the helicopter because of the because motion sickness turbulence. I was telling you before you not remember. pry Profit Tyson was like the worst thing you can do is sit in a helicopter for longer than thirty minutes so are sitting here just not only my puke but remember what I told you about the flexible rotor system so we're also are puckered to level ten because we're thinking about the rotor system and we're getting jostled about by thirty five not wins probably probably like forty mile an hour and refine over these mountains and so that's like all day long just getting the living crap and then as we get into our landing spot in Canada. It's just pouring rain so we barely get into an airport before it's become zero visibility. So the second day just was like a bad start to the holdover you puke Puke Bagger were you just a hole in your township okay. You're pulling your head out of big. Yeah relatively big. It smelled like barbecue. Hugh chips when I puked which was nice to cover the barbecue chips eaten or because of the dagger both because the bag and pleasant. Would you pull your head out of Matt's lap to Puke or were you just still so he was holding my hair back while I was puking into the pige between so we actually actually had to land that second day because of before because of the puking I was just puking so much and then because of the rain so we landed on a mountain Alton road in the middle of nowhere in the middle of Canada and just sat there for probably an hour hour and a frying all each other and puking guy lifelike making fun of you. Danny of like there was only one other person. So it's just me and the pilot in the wild. Can you again Bryson but when I did land in Canada The fruit when we landed at our ports of entry and Canada was this tiny airport and the guy. There did make fun of me. He's like I said there's not potato chips. I said that's not potato chips. And he goes. Whoa what's wrong with? You is basically what he's signing but so anyway. Do you have a rebuttal for him now. I was too weak. I was digging laying on the ball. I wish I could go to sleep so we get into Canada and I'm like okay. Maybe I should buy a ticket and go home because that was the roughest day of my life and then we wake up the next day in. There's clouds everywhere but it's called. Yeah yeah so we fly up and we get to Alaska Anyway. The whole trip by the way you're in a helicopter and and you're flying over what I can only describe as the most hostile terrain possible so either. You're flying over inlets. Filled with chilled water and zero landings byles onslaught jets flying over giant mountains with zero landing spots. So we spend a Lotta time convincing ourselves kidding ourselves that we would survive an an emergency landing but eventually we fly in all sorts of creation with your imminent probably. Yeah I just assumed that if something went wrong we were dead. We actually fly all the way up to Glacier Bay national park in the northwestern tip of it. And that's where we turn around around because Anchorage was going to have rain for a week and so we just made the decision. Hey let's just turn around and buy them to be honest we were completely frazzled. I'm going to have to Glacier Bay national carcassone where how far you go. Oh it was unbelievable. I mean flying over those grip. Glaciers was like level intensity. Because now you're we're going to like land in a crevasse right and if you survive that you're gonna live in the Crevasse your remaining day or hours that you're so hours it was it was free. You barely got to Alaska but still pretty far. We got pretty far. You've been in that helicopter. It felt like we were insanely as far as after seventeen helicopter travel. Yeah we're flying all day long from sunrise waking up at six and refine all day long over hostile terrain so anyway we're coming back from Alaska and we saw this cool like abandoned old bridge and it had no roads coming or going so we were we fly down to check it out right and and the pilot drops me off on the edge. The river and I was going to run up and go go check it out. I come back into the helicopter. He starts to take off at all I could see on his face. Is something went wrong long. I mean we're in the middle of BFE and what's BFE basically. I don't WanNa say what it is but middle of nowhere. Okay right. It's it's BEF N.. Okay what is the right word but FM no yeah yeah so when he was BFE AFC stand for what's The e- everywhere but FM won't yeah. I don't know I've just heard sorry. Sorry mixed up so anyway. We we land in the middle of nowhere on this river. By the way we had seen grizzly bears in the area and he starts to take off and the look on his face instantly tells me that something has gone horribly wrong and he instantly shuts off the engine. Do What's wrong. And there is an indicator the most most important indicator in the entire instrument panel for a helicopter. I'm like no that's an indicator in your heart. Okay and only you can read that so it's an indicator that tells you how much pressure you're putting on that top rotor and if you exceed it bad things happen you drop out of the sky so the indicator had stopped working. which is bad is because you really need that indicator to take off and land? Because that's the moment of most danger injure and that's when you need to monitor and say what it monitors entice GonNa make fun of it but it monitors Torque on your Roy. I don't Sena Ania jokes. Okay good all right. No low hanging fruit there so he shuts down the helicopter. And we're talked. Oh you you fall out of the sky. Eventually the helicopter will not fly anymore with just you and Matt Ryan there. You have to avoid being fully worked plus we were full fuel. We had a lot of fuel. Well we had a lot of gear so it's easier to get to work. It's easier to you fully torque with all that stuff so anyway she she does the helicopter and you can tell. He's thinking about his machine which costs a lot of money. It's sitting on a river which obviously rises and falls also as the tide comes in and out in the you know from the nearby ocean or and I'm just there. I'm having a good time. His stresses are not my stresses addresses. So of course. I'm there videotape all this stuff and I'm videotaping it. He gets on the satellite phone with his mechanic in Utah. By the way. Let me do a shout. Brought to iridium. Who makes satellite phones? And I've already known this your phone suck. I would hate to have to use your phone in an emergency around. Yeah I threw away my iridium phone because it never connected you so. We are in an emergency in northern Canada in the wilds northern Canada. We cannot doc it a good connection like the one time need a satellite phone to work. Basically he shouts on the phone as quickly as he can. Can I still fly it and we think we here the mechanics say yes right. Can you fly without that instrument. We come I later. We find out that I think it's illegal to fly instrument. There's certain instruments that if they break down. You're grounded so we discussed it for a long time whether or not we wanted to fly with this innovation. We're like well. What are the other options? We could take a boat. We had two rafts inflatable rafts. We could take them down the river to town. There was further down the river. That may or may not have people in it. We just decided. Hey let's just fly it. We'll be able to read it but we don't think will exceed it. If if we do we die. There's like there's no other option we kid ourselves. We'll fly over the water as much as possible but come on your landing in like what thirty five the jury water well shortly. Five degree water that you're hating it at terminal city so anyway we told ourselves a couple lies we get up in the air and we start to fly and another warning alarm goes off so matt does like an emergency descent descent down to the beach and I walk around. The by now are stressful. was eleven years old. And we saw mine to you. You course because I'm up in the air and helicopter with problems. Can't you just live there. Working Yeah Peter was operational so we landed he he did an emergency landing. Came Down Hard and art around jarring landing not super giant but harder than he normally does any any and he said. I probably shouldn't have done that but he had to. So I walk around and all it was something had jostled loose and opened a little bit so I shot it you know now. Our nerves are really rattled rattled and we flew an hour and a half in silence. I think both of US planning trying to come up with a plan for when the helicopter hit the water. Eventually we get to Campbell River on Vancouver Island right on this spot. Even acquired more risky flying in a little bit longer flight on the hope that they would have like a mechanic there so we land and we kind of we make phone calls in some sense to helicopter repair shop because Canada has helicopters all over the place just because of the inaccessibility of the terrain. You have to have a helicopter. They don't even have cars in a lot of places. Get a lot of place that makes more sense to take a helicopter. So here's the craziest part so we land at this mechanic shop and we we leave the helicopter there. Nobody's there at night when we show up. We come back in the morning. The mechanic looks at it and they don't carry that helicopter but they to carry the cheaper version of it and the guy said to become a dealer for that helicopter. She had to buy a handful full of parts. Maybe less than ten and the part he had was apart we need to replace. It was like unbelievable and you think that was God. God Yeah just fate. Intervene can believe they had the actual inst- missiles guy puts it in. We do some tests it works. We were there for or a day so then we we fly across the border and this is yesterday so now. We're on yesterday's time. We're in Port Angeles on next to the Olympic national part. Here's the best part we go running in the morning before we're going to fly home. The pilot passes out during the run. Full solon collapses. He just falls over Matt Run Madman in the wild did yes armada. Armour's can get on instagram and follow at Matt and the wild and mock him for passing out on a jog. After this harrowing tale she was is to be honest he was starting to feel sick right and he just passes out so now. I'm sitting there in the middle of Olympic National Park. I took the opportunity to take a Fight it I I did video. Gaga's we're sitting there and were were you know. We're on a one thousand nine mile run in the pilot of the helicopter. We need to fly. Home is laying unconscious on the side of the trail You had to leave him on my gosh you the flow after no but but then the concern for me became okay I get him back up. We get down to the helicopter like how is how do I know he's not gonna fly. I know how to make the helicopter. Go onto autopilot. Like that's the limit of my billy. I know what buttons to push. That sounds like it's all you need. Pilot yeah up to a point. I would never in a million years the helicopter even if the controls were on my side which they're not because he took them out wisely and but you know that like drones they have this thing built in in where their battery dies they just land safely they know that is no as a drone that I'll tell you right now they don't land safely they land wherever ever they are or are they return to homeland wherever that was a helicopter should do the same. Why can't they build build helicopters? I feel like if I agree. So we get get into the helicopter. First of all he passes out in that slows everything down way longer to get back to the helicopter because he has to walk and eventually he starts running again. But I'm just thinking the whole time I'm about to fly seven hours with this guy who just blacked out on on the trail but for me it was like what's more important just staying here you do. I want to stay here another night or risk my life to your home and I decided. Roll the dice with this guy and hope that he doesn't pass out. You've rolled the dice so many times with him that it seems like what's another tote you know yeah. We jumped up to the helicopter and we flew seven hundred miles yesterday and luckily he didn't pass out so it was. I mean those those highlights this or lowlights. Whatever you WANNA call them? Those were only the the major problems. So they weren't even like the hair-raising moments when we we realized that we had just enough fuel to get into a location or the moments where clouds moved in and blocked our visibility or a million leeann little things that were less than that but equally as stressful so when we touch ground last night. I can't even tell you. It felt great where there any moments of low stress because it sounds like this was just only a high stress mission. The stress was always there the fear of death constantly and I know there's probably a helicopter pilot out there listening laughing but for a guy who have you ever been on the back of a four wheeler with a friend and there's just this fear because you don't know in control. Yeah you're not in control your like this guy's going too fast but the honors. So I'm the guy on the back of the four wheeler the whole time just thinking what the hell what was going on. It's like don't kill US please. Yeah please don't die. So there were moments and those moments tend to be turbulence free moments in beautiful areas areas but even then like we way back into Glacier Bay National Park. And you're like nobody has probably been back here very few people if we crash here. It's like you're done but we would still be able to recover your body's eventually you think I don't think yeah and like five hundred years. When the glacier choose us up and SPITS US out into the Bay Torres to sit in a boat or yacht looking at the edge of the glacier and they just see my body dangling halfway out of pretty good I say five hundred years for the glacier to melt? Yeah yeah sign up. So let's say fifty years. Yeah you could see Danny's body being chewed up and spit out by the glacier and fifty years one hundred years my naked body. I've always Nathan scenarios. Glacier stripped my clothes at foot you was because of the paper so you would strip down because that's last trip with me a move not now so I mean it's good to be here the most important thing the whole time I'm like please. I just WanNa live for news af we're happy to have us do I again. If being honest and not only that Danny Bryson managed to survive throughout all of two thousand nineteen despite going on more and more death breath defying adventures to come here in two thousand nine hundred and hopefully he will continue to be with us through twenty twenty and beyond on news. Hey all right. This was very fun to go through all of the clips again if you WanNa hear more of these clips and everything else. That didn't make it into the the episode. We had a ton of stuff that we could put in here. Go to rob as a website dot com slash news A. F. Twenty Nineteen News Af two zero one on nine robbers Website Accomplished News Af Twenty nineteen and you can hear the whole soundcloud play list everything that didn't end up making the cut. We've back with a live episode on. I believe New Year's Eve on the thirty first back in regular Tuesday time slot so be on the lookout for that. Of course you can join us in our facebook group go to facebook dot com slash groups slash group. 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ET041 - Behind the Scenes with Travel Writer, Linda Ballou

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ET041 - Behind the Scenes with Travel Writer, Linda Ballou

"Yeah. There travelers welcome to eat travels with each rules. Personal and literary podcast of travel adventures and misadventures from around the world. This is cool and thanks. Hoy there may dis welcome to another behind the scenes episode. On the podcast today, I'll be talking with the win the Balu and accomplished travel and adventure writer who challenges her readers to self actualize and make their own dreams come true. When they is a rugged individualist. To knows that she needs tall mountains and shady glens to stay in balance, not having to make her living as a travel writer. She selective about her journeys and how and when she takes them, she aims to get as many beautiful places in the world that she can before they are no more. She enjoys reading travel narratives and historical archives about a place before visiting it because she doesn't want to go to a destination until she has a sense of what's going on behind the gorgeous scenery, which he tries to see with wonder and a sense of humor like her travel writing hero, Tim, k hill. She tries not to take yourself too seriously her historical novel. Why? Noni avoi- some old Hawaii. Let's see the traditional island society as it existed when captain James Cook arrived at Kiala ca Kuwah bay in seventeen seventy nine. In another book, the cowgirl jumped over the moon. She takes her readers on wild ride that begins in the horse, show jumping world and then wanders into the high Sierras. But before I start speaking with Linda wanna. Thank you my listeners for coming back to the podcast or discovering the show. For the first time I greatly appreciate it. Whether you're a seasoned traveller or listener who just likes good travel stories. I'm glad you're here. The podcast depends on your ears. If like to catch up with any of the previous travelogues or interviews from season one or those thus far from season to please go to the podcast library on my homepage at Eric trolls dot com. Forward slash podcast, leave your comments on each episode's show notes page. Ask questions, sign up for the mailing list and make donation if you so choose. We're now talking season three. You can listen to the podcast on Spotify an iheartradio as well as on Stitcher for Android phones, apple podcasts. For tunes there. You can rate and review the show which if you have something. Nice to say really helps the podcast get heard, all right back to win the Balu once again, I'm meeting my guess for the first time in the studio. Thanks to an enthusiastic introduction by Jim Dorsey, my adventurer explorer guests from episode, thirty one which you can find in the library. Jim writes about one of Linda's books, quote, lost angel walkabout by Linda Balu, takes the reader out of their armchair and into the vast world as few travel writers can her eye for detail combined with intimate knowledge of her surroundings sets miss Balu heads above most of the travel writing pack. In this age when everyone with a backpack proclaims him or herself a travel writer, it takes a book like this one to redefine the John Ryan. The stories are personal and inviting giving the reader not. Only a feeling of participation, but also leaving them with a memory of where they've just visited. This is just playing great travel writing in quote. I'm very happy to have when the here today in the barbershops recording studio in echo park loss Angeles from just over the hills into panga canyon, welcome to the show vanden. I'm so flattered to be here. Well, I'm glad you're here. Let's start talking about how you began your life's journey. What did you do before you began travel writing? Well, always written all my life. I've written journals and so on, and I had. Tried my hand at scripture to, and you know, have a degree in English literature, but then I had an accident horseback riding accident that put me on my hands in east for about six weeks and made me think about things. And I went, you know what? I'm gonna have some fun with this stuff. You know, I am. I just want, you know, get out. I wanna see the world. I want to use my writing. I want, you know, to get more out of my writing more fun. You know, not just work. So, and I love to travel and it became I, I got my first gig was a Sikh acking have been Baugh and I just got totally hooked, you know? 'cause I got to kayak from island to island, and there was a pot of dolphins that came up channel with us, you know, having and puffing beside me and you know, sleeping in a tent doesn't sound good to most people, but I love it because you wake up at sunrise and you see the day, you know, you see the break of day in you see, son, you know, you're immersed in danger. I just love being outdoors, so became an outdoor adventure travel writer. I saw on your website just before you came over, I took one more look. It said, talked about soft travel adventure. Well, Michael Shapiro whose another travel writer friends with James. He said, drop that soft stuff. He said, you're not a soft adventure twelve. He said, you're doing real adventures. And I must say that I moved forward. I became Raver and the tach Chini river story is the opening story in my book. And that was a very out there experience. It was rafting in a rubber raft from the Yukon down to the Gulf of Alaska through the largest pristine wilderness area lift in North America. I mean, incredible, just incredible. They're, you know, it is dangerous because if you get in an accident, there's there's no helicopters. There's no turning back and you do have to trust. In your guides and but it wasn't difficult. It wasn't hard. It was like, you know, they set up the camp. They did the cooking all I had to do with pot my tant and get up in the morning and get in my raft and go for, you know, twenty twenty five miles through this gorgeous pristine wilderness. And we had, yeah, okay. We had bear tracks around the tent camp at night. You know, there were animals and I saw chasing a moose with a baby. I mean, we were, we ran into a bear with some cubs, but all of that was just exciting to me. I didn't have a sense of danger, so usually travel with guides I do because this sort of thing I know you like independent travel in the idea of doing a free fall. I've got that part from you and I, I do like independent travel. Ideally, what I do on a trip is like when I went to New Zealand, I did eleven days on the South Island with active new-zealand and they. Had arranged all of these active outdoor. We hiked hut to hut which I can't do by myself. I have to have guides for this stuff. But then I arranged for a week on the north shore on my own, which is much more civilized in which more easy to explore, even though. I do have a story in my book called no exit from Auckland because I had very cleverly rented a car off side of the airport site because you save money that way. Right? But Enzi Scotties was in downtown Auckland, and you know, they turn they drive on the wrong side of the road there. Right. I've had misadventures doing that. So you know, I was just deposited in downtown rush, rush traffic, nicest people in the world. Seriously that New Zealand people that Kiwis are Swedish people in the world where yelling go home, yank. The it was just out of sorts. Why do you call Tim k hill as you're writing hero? Well, because Tim, well, first of all, he's the, he's the godfather of the real travel narrative essay. You know, he's the one that developed talked about having a dramatic spine in your stories, you know? And he. Was a tremendous adventure and a great writer, and he combined those things beautifully. And he done nine books and they're all fun. He has a wonderful sense of humor, so deprecating sense of humor. But you always learn something when you read one Tim stories, and he's gone places that I will never go. Thank God. He went and now he's just he's. And he's also very nice man. I interviewed him because I admired him so much when I got into the trail writing thing, I believe in going to the mountain, I don't, you know any. So I went to Montana where he lives in Livingston and interviewed him in his home. Is he still alive? Yes, he is absolutely. Tim is publicly in his late sixties. Early seventies, I would guess at this point to contact him for the buck. He's wonderful. Tim is great. You know, you'll laugh. Who doesn't like to. Well, I have a feeling these are connected, but how would you describe what you're trying to do, what you trying to achieve in your books? Well, good writing is at the top. You know, I want to engage people. And as you know, Tim says, you know, I wanna write about things that I care about and hopefully make people care about them, but not with a hammer, you know, not with a heavy message about by taking them there by delivering them with a sense of place, you know, getting appealing to all of their their senses, you know. And that's generally would great travel writer will strive to do is take you to that place. Immerse you in the place, but you'll notice that in my book at the end of each story or not all of them, there's an eco alert because what I've learned is just about everywhere that I've traveled. There is very serious environmental threat to the region, and I don't like to put it in the story because I don't wanna moralize, but I do feel that as a writer. And so. Someone traveling around the world. That I do have a responsibility to grow awareness for issues that I have learned about. Talk a little bit about your why Noni book, which he told me you are most proud of took you twenty years to research and it's not only a travel book, but it's a historical novel. It isn't aid. Why not is based upon the life of Kakuma mono, who was the favorite wife of command the great and she was a child is bride, and she rose to be the most powerful woman in old Hawaii. And when I was introduced to her, I was living on coy in nineteen seventy eight. And it happened to be the bison ten ill year of the landing of captain James Cook in the islands. So they're all and I was working on the guard Nile running. I took the job as a little cub reporter so I could run around the island and interview people. So I had access to all these people and I became immersed in the the history and the beautiful culture of the Hawaiian people. And there was an enormous contradiction. You know. This Aloha spirit stuff on conditional love. No child goes on, loved, you know, all all of that. And yet I knew that in their history, there was human sacrifice in there was, you know, a great deal of cruelty and harsh punishment. So I just had to figure out why this strange dichotomy in their culture. And and so I took it upon myself to write this story for person and had I known the challenge that I was taking on. I may not have done it, but as I got deeper and deeper into it, I felt in obligation to get it right to be true to the culture to really tell story in a way that did not offend the Hawaiian people, but but that they would acknowledge was the truth. So I make their way of talk story and poetry and their Malays they and they have really a beautiful beautiful culture. So. For twenty years. I had a lot of fun. It became a beautiful obsession. I went back and forth through the islands. I wasn't living there all that time, but I interviewed cool moves and went to sacred sites, and you know it's and why Noni has gotten good acknowledgement. One thing I will say that I shared it with Hawaiian scholar and she said, if you publish this story, you're gonna have two hundred years of bad luck because the Hawaiians don't want you to tell their story. They don't wanna Howley. I'm a white person. They don't wanna Howley to tell their story. They have had their story corrupted by westerners over and over and over again. So then I had to say, I invested all his tie. I thought you'd be so happy. I thought it would be so thrilled that I did too, too wonderful job. And it's going to be delay. She'll be deal way down on arrival. So that step me back for a year. I was devastated. But at the end of the day, my Angelo says, there's nothing worse than having a story inside you that needs to be told. So. To do it. I had to do it. So I did it. And I'm very happy to say that I've had a few detractors, but for the most part, I have nothing but fabulous reviews for this book. And one author, she's, she's a, she's a white woman, but she's born and raised in the islands, and she's a writer. They're very famous and she says, why Noni casts a hypnotic spell that transport shoe tooled Hawaii. You're the touch by that. I am. Why? Because you know, I was taking a chance, you know the. That you know, my book would not be well received in that was going to hurt me. Travel wife, being an artist, putting a book out there is risky business. You have to be courageous and chances. Well, Komano was courageous. You see, that was remember I was inspired to write the story because of her. She was a child is bride which in history women are only important for who they conceived, who they married, but she was extremely intelligent and she managed to maneuver her way through this Kappa system which was very harsh. You mentioned in my house few terms that he'd know Cup who the and you told me there was a sanctuary refuge place on the island right investing, right. Okay. So the in twelve fifty, the two Haitians came to the islands, and they brought with them the pollen two thousand year old Polynesian Kappa system. If you break up who you will be clubbed to death by the priests, you will become human sacrifice and you could end up this way. Way by doing something so insignificant as walking in the shadow of chief. So they had this very strict hierarchy. They were inbreeding like the gyp shins on the royals and they had slaves and they had the middle class that did all the work. So if you broke a couple. You you didn't necessarily have to die. If you could make it to the place of refuge in there is there are many of them in the islands, but the the best one west preserved in the most significant one is on the big island which was the center of their culture at the time that was ruling and you can go there. And if you make it if the priests except you in the place of refuge, you don't have to get clubbed to death. You can stay there and you can go through certain protocols in in time able to reenter in society. So it's a Nollie Olly, oxen, free kind of Justice a run for your. It's very, you know, we think of it is, oh, that's cute. But in fact it was very serious to them and. Yes, and and she actually rose Hamano actually rose to become a place of refuge in her body. Her being is like hiding behind women's skirts, right? But she was a healing Kamu. She knew the healing medicines and things, and I enter viewed healing coup and had the lomilomi massage which you know we all have. We have lemme lemme here, but in the days of old win, a child was born. If he was a Royal like comme, Amana, you're you. They would low me low me your fingers to make them longer to to, to make them into antenna to receive Mon, which is spiritual power and the hula that is a very beautiful dance was omitted Haitian, and a way of bringing on into your being only went to Hawaii once for the New Year's Eve of the millennia. And I was. On cou. Why? And. It's not a place I'm drawn to or tracked it too. But all these things that you talk about our traditional and historical little Bali where I met my wife and we have a little villa there, but the places have become so full of tourists that it's very hard to access the history and the tradition. And that's why your book so valuable and also the the Hawaiians don't share it freely. They will give you a snippet. Like when I went to the Bishop museum, which is the houses, the greatest Polynesian artifact collection. I think in all Polynesia if not the world and the dough sent is he was telling the story and I said to the Dosen I said, why? Why didn't you say anything about a Hmong? Oh, she was so important. She was when he died when comme a died, he was. Stowed upon her the same power as prime minister equal weight with his son because his son was a drunker and he knew his son was no good to rule. So he gave the power to her and she ended the cap who system she was the individual that was responsible for the burning of the gods in eighteen nineteen one year prior to missionary contact. And he turned his back on me and walked away. He was not going to talk about it. There is still controversy there today about it. She in some in the upper class, the elite class, the descendants of the 'Ali say she was the flaw that brought down the chiefdom. She ended it and two others. She's the loving mother of the people. I didn't know any of this stuff. You know until I got into and I had no idea was in this broiling controversy. You know that exists today. I think it's true wherever you go. You know, there's an outward friendliness and civility. So many places in third world, Asia, Vietnam, Indonesia. And the truth is, is that it's a very insulated culture at the same time. So behind the smile, some privacy enrich made is not for not for the Taurus for the tourists in Hawaii, particularly which is sinking from the weight of the. Tourists they put on a pleasant face in their lovely people, but behind the scenes, there's tremendous resentment to the fact that a they're being priced out of their homeland in a few things like that. In fact, they won. There's talk of some of the want to succeed from the union. You know, similar in in Bowie, although it's not an American state, I'd like to broaden out a little bit. Thanks so much for the know much about Hawaii and I love Trish. Noah history. So thanks for that. Interesting. And I think if anyone's going to the islands, it will enhance their experience. If they if they read my book, I hope they will let them know our little later. I know that you like to recommend five places. People should go before they die. Am I? Right? Well, there's a lot of places what go ahead. I, I mean, I'm not sure which ones you're referring to know. I just read that you want you thinking. We have five places to recommend before people. Exactly. True. Well, they're all outdoor places k and I, I would say new-zealand South Island to me as phantasmagoric beautiful. And I really think that if you can, you can go is like a huge play ground. It's very easily accessed, you know, the the, they love to hike. They love to kayak, if you're an outdoor enthusiast, it's absolutely incredible. Now I just returned from Tory still pine ace, which was very high on my list of places that I wanted to go before I died towards still is at the southern tip of Chile, the very southernmost point of the continent and very long journey to get there. You have to fly down to Poon two arenas, which is on the Magellan. Straits is a great deal of history in this part of the world. And I found it really fascinating most of it's pretty ugly because of the way the Europeans treated the the native peoples there. Which is pretty typical, but there's an other worldly kind of feel to that part of the world. So driving Poon to from Poona arenas or to Tori so pines will you may have heard of the towers? I'm sure you've seen pictures of these mountains. These flaming towers and the horns are snow tip to very dramatic, very unusually shaped mountains in why? Because it's so windy. There is so windy. I didn't realize our first hike. You know, we went out on a guanaco trail. Greenock are like Lama big, big Brown eyes and fluffy sweet looking, but they spit on you if they can camels. Yes. So you don't cozy up to, but you know, we leaned into the wind, you know, like you know, crouch down leaning into the win on the first high. Mike, and it was beautiful and lovely and wonderful and everything. But I had no idea how super windy this place was until we went on the second hike and you could. You could see the gusts pro forming doubles water. Devils on the lake as they were building seventy mile an hour. Cost can knock over a grown man easily. So you learn how to turn your back and brace yourself, and you learn to try to hide behind home of. Amount of soil or something, you know, because you would just get knocked over by this wind and the guide said that it's not this way in the winter. It's only this way in this summer and she said that athletes come down there at a train because it's like an isometric exercise for them to be in this constant wind, you're in his wind tunnel. And after about three days there, you know, it's like, I don't know the constant win it. It just puts you into otherworldy state. That's all I can say. I'll take one more of your five, Rick. Well, I do think that Alaska the majesty of Alaskan. I am from Alaska. So I am prejudiced. I am from the prettiest little town in all southeast Alaska, which is Hanes fee only state in the union. I haven't been well if you at least go to glacier bay. But if you could be strong. Enough for brave enough to raft attach and she any like I did. I would say that is a live changing experience. When I took that trip. I was a traveler, I was at a venture. I was all of those things. But by the end of the trip, I was an environmentalist you know it, it changed me to really wanna care about these pristine wilderness places into to keep them somehow help keep them. So Alaska generally. I mean, even if you went to Denali which I've not been to its majestic, it's awesome. It's, you know, and it's I have a need for wildness. The trip that I'm trying to get right now is in b. c. British Columbia. It's horseback trip into this chill co lake wilderness, and it's surrounded by these snowcapped mountains in. I know there's a lot of big fun of their, you know, grizzlies and things like that. But with with the proper guide, your fine. You know, it was my next question. We're going to go next. I'm working on that trip. I thought I wanted to go to Julia, but actually I really want inside me is a dose of the wilderness and not going to get that. I don't think in Australia, and it also all-stars very far away. Why not just go to Canada, which is pretty easy flight. Of course, on this particular trip, you have to take charter flight into the lake. There's no roads or anything, but I got going on it because of Wade Davis. You may be familiar with him. He's an anthropologist who wrote a book called away finders, and he's very concerned about the environment and he had a Ted talk about the sacred headwaters in Canada. There'd being threatened by extractive industry and it's the headwaters. Three major arteries and to pollute them would be sacrosanct. I mean, it would just be hideous and the first nation people are fighting it and people like way Davis fighting it. And I'm going, you know, I, I care about this stuff. I'd like to go there and. The next question is, what would your next travel book be? You. Okay. This is laws stage a walkabout, right? So next week is lost angel unleashed. What do you think. I think it's a little too close. I think like the unleashed put. The last stage. Well, you know, I'm lost angel amongst fourteen million other laws Daniels like yourself. You know that too. I am. No. I don't know what I'm stuck here. I'm in LA for a lot of reasons, but one of them is because I'm with a man that I've been with for thirty four years who will never leave here. So I'm a lost angel. You know, I, there are a lot of nice things about LA and living into panga canyon. I have a nice kind of a trade off. We live in the canyon and he goes city listeners. Very well to panga canyon is up the coast and then into canyon high in the mountains, and it's called the hippie canyon. And it's it's very insular in the people who live there and very old school and creative and late sixties seventies kind of world. It's an artistic enclave. I like that even better with a lot of really fascinating talented people hidden out there and they have some really neat hideaways. There are some aging rockers. Yes, there's a lot of will. There's the alien Airways is one of the broadcasts out there where people are talking to aliens on a regular basis. I'm not. But it's fun. It's really fun it in there, and I just love being in the trees and your next travel book. Will be my collection of stories. That I'm working on, you know it'll be. I don't think it will be happening another couple of years that will be publishing another travel book and just name your books from your travel collection. The stories know the names of the books. Well, my travel collection are the essays that are in my book lost angel walkabout. And then I have my novel. Why not? And I also have a novel, the cowgirl jumped over the moon. The other project that I'm working on constantly which is just fun is lost angel at home in paradise whereby I take people to my favorite hikes in the Santa Monica mountains and all the way up the coast to the lost coast. And that's just something that I do for myself that I've been doing all my life and I thought, why don't I put the collection together and share with people? So actually that would be the closest next book. Publishing books is always been such a challenge for me. I don't like the idea of self publishing finding an age and then a publishers. It's a big deal and it takes focus, right? So I'm mightily impressed with what you've been able to account. Say that there is a novel in my heart and mind that I want to write a there was a woman, but because of the enormous challenge, I don't wanna take it on right now. I wanna travel now, but this woman Isabela bird. The lady of the Rockies was this plucky Englishwoman who rode in the rocky mountains solo in the late eighteen sixties eighteen sixty five. And she didn't stop there. She'd been went onto ride and ship pan and China and India. And she was just incredible woman and she had a love affair with a man called mountain Jim in the Rockies. And I'm just enamored with these two and I'm a horse person. So I I would like to write their love story historical novel. But I just, you know, right now I wanna travel. So that's my focus is getting to all those places I can before they're gone. Now. I haven't been to nearly the places you have been all over. I've not been to Morocco, which you made some really fascinating to me and I, you know, there's, I've been to Bali for heaven's sakes. I have a map in my house with pins with places. I've been the truth is it's impossible to go everywhere in the world. You know, you look at my map. I, the people go. Oh, well, you've been so many places and I see it's empty. You know, it's best places that I haven't been in a, you know, you can get more more detail specific. You can go back to France with a twentieth time and still see places that you never saw. You can be in Los Angeles where you live for thirty years and still discover new things. I just realized that one other thing I think people should do before they die is wrath, the Grand Canyon. That is an incredible experienced. It's very close to us here in LA, but that takes you Jeep into, you know, the millenniums of time you know it it really, it's, it's a fantastic experience. Fantastic. Great. Thanks for that. Moving along in our interview. I think it's time to take the truth travel quiz, ready, geez. Starts off easy. Where were you born? I was born on Treasure Island in Oakland, California, who I think I know that you go over the bay bridge. Right? And you see treasury. I didn't know anyone will live there. I wasn't. I'm a navy brat. Oh, military. Interesting. And where would you say you're from. I really think I'm a Californian even though I was rudely row uprooted when I was thirteen and taken to Alaska by my father who was a retired military man, and we went up there to homestead was the thought and after the wind up there in the summer and after the first two or three months of that in the winter started setting in it became very clear that my mom and dad and his three children were not going to be able to survive out there in the wilderness. So we we moved into town. So I am from Hanes Alaska, but I think I'm a Californian. Okay. So where do you call home? Oh, definitely. California. Definitely not to paying specifically the beach, the ocean. I can't leave the ocean. I can't leave the Pacific Ocean. I mean, I could move to. I don't even wanna move to Hawaii is. Much as I love it. I think California's incredibly beautiful state was so much variety and it's huge in. It's just endless beauty here. Agree and we'll Sandra's where we're at right now. Echo Bork. We're twenty minutes from the beach in twenty minutes from the twenty minutes of the desert. Right? It's credible yet. Do you have a favorite place in the world. Favorite place in the world. I, I guess I have to go back to to New Zealand the South Island just because it's so beautiful to me and it's a temperate rainforest. It's so comfortable there, beautiful easily access. I, I think the South Island of New Zealand. What do you think it means to be a travel to be you travel. You have to have a curious mind, you have to, you have to care about where you're going to so many people go. I know so many people that are myopic, they, they're not thinking about anything except for what's for dinner. I think you have to have a genuine caring and curiosity about other people and to want to know about them and to, you know to, I love the beauty of the planet. I mean, I just wanna see it all. What's one place that you've always wanted to go where you've never been. Always wanted to go. Well, I got to Africa, which was a place I always wanted to go, but I didn't see all of that, and I would certainly go back to. I went to butts wanna Zimbabwe's via I would go, which are fabulous in probably might be the best Africa. I don't know because I didn't get detention year and Kenya. So I kind of have to go back, but. Not just yet. I did make an acquaintance with a young man who he runs. This is Africa, and he said that I could join him on his his tour and it's it's in there. I'm gonna get there if not wack of places to go to one's life and the amount of time. That's why I don't wanna get hung up writing a novel right now. I wanna travel. Do you have a favorite city? Why. Gosh, I gotta say Shan Francisco, gotta love San Francisco. Every time I go over the bridge. I get little tears in my eyes. I. There's something about the bay. There's something about the smell in the air. There's just something about it, and it's just so beautiful to me, and I love to get out on the water. I like to get the ferry on the other side of the and go into the city on the ferry that's so much fun. You don't have to worry about parking. Get off the boat. You go, you know. We went to a wedding in Tiburon and we were staying in larks per. So I think that's where you mean this ferries. Commuter ferries. Marin exactly what's your favorite non urban place, a park, a canyon? Why non urban place here locally? No anywhere in the world. Gosh. Well, I love the Santa Monica mountains. I tell you it's the largest urban preserve in the United States. Maybe even the world, they say, I don't know. I just think it's fabulous that I have all these wonderful trails just outside my door yesterday, I hiked up Nichols flat. I was the only one there save for one other couple who having a picnic and there's upon there. There's birds and views of the ocean and while flowers, and it's just gorgeous and it's safe. I know there's not lions, but not many of them and they're nocturnal. I do carry pepper spray, but it's there. It's wonderful to have it so close. It's just saves me. It saves me mentally allows me to have an open space and to like yesterday, found myself being very emotional lot of things. Life tears were running. I'm just like, what? What's happening? Just emotional release, which is, you know, necessary. I think one of the traps of living in a city in an apartment where you don't have access to the sky, you know, it makes you less human. And so even if you have a back deck or balcony, need to go out for hike, you need to connect universal one of my things. And I know you agree with this is that we need to reconnect with nature. And that's one of my theme songs in in in my in cowgirl, jumped over the moon, big, big time. I, I want my heroine to reconnect with nature, and I take her up to the high Sierras so she can do that. What's your favorite mode of transportation horseback. go. Don't have think about that. You're the only one is said that it's my favorite mode of transport. I love going. I've written. I've done trek and Ecuador in Cottrell. I've ridden Ireland. I've done guest ranches all over the western United States. I just and that's why what is busy thing? Oh, horseback in the high Sierras, I love it LA. Who do you like to travel with me. I, you know, I do people say that you know where St. we'll have Steve Steve going? No, he's not. He's really not interested, frankly, and I prefer to travel alone. I'm sorry, I do why, because as a travel writer, for one thing, I have a job. I am doing something I am able to connect with people much more readily as single person. I can have spontaneous experiences as a single person. I don't have to worry if he's having a good time. You know? I mean, because if I'm with him, the relationship is different. So I would like to tell my listeners just that, but you have traveling so low is different than traveling. They're both good right. Two roads diverged in the woods, which way would you go. The one less traveled. Because I, I love I have. One of my stories is there's not enough said for solitude, and there's not everyone wants togetherness. You know, I would go on the last travel so that I could have tranquility. So I could have piece. So I could be meditative and I went to frost house. He had a cabin in the green mountains, and it was empty. He was gone, but I walked around his place where he had his peace and he had a garden and it was delightful. And I don't think I could have had the same experience hit. I've been with someone. Swart throws Walden pond. Exactly. Last question when the where we go when you die. Well, I would love to go to po- which is where the Hawaiians go. They go underwater to this wonderful underwater world where you don't have to work because you don't have to eat, so you don't have to work, but you can play checkers, you can dance, you can swim. You can play music and you could just have fun and PO the entrance to Pogue by the way is on the south side of wipe eel valley on the big island. I know exactly where it is. Who knows? Maybe I'll meet you. Okay. Thanks so much for being on the show. Wyndham really appreciate your coming over to the barber shop recording studio and telling us about your wife's work and inspiration listeners if you'd like to learn anything more about Linda, please go to Linda Balu author dot com. 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Well until home improvement when John Dave with answers to all your home improvement questions sponsored by Home Depot Lennox Charlotte Comfort systems a cost heating and cooling and dry pro basement systems on news talk seven ten and ninety nine tree. TELL YOU PT Good morning, everybody. Welcome to home improvement with John and Dave. I'm John Gordon with the Home Depot my brother David took some time off this week. Certainly well, deserved time off but you're not stuck just with me. I've been I've been threatening to do this for a while we have for your listening pleasure and really for a lot of great information. The. Chief Sustainability Officer from the Home Depot Mr Ron Jarvis Good Morning Ron and you with us. Oh yes. John Good Morning. How are you? I'm very fine. Thank you for joining us at the crack of dawn. My pleasure. Trust me I I. Suspect you're up at this hour most days anyway. Am I right? Oh. Yes. Yes I think we're all early risers at Home Depot. Kinda Kinda helps well, Ron thanks for being with us. folks. We're going to do a show David and I've been talking about doing this because. Sustainability we David and I have talked about it and really practical terms just being a good steward of your environment is an important concept but we wanted to have ron on and and it's my fault shame on me took me a long time to just get an organized outlined together for on the minute identities like sure. I can do this. and. Then it was just just getting schedules right so but we'll take regular calls at seven, four, five, seven eleven ten but we it's not it's not often we get to have Really, informative guests who live in the honest-to-goodness real world with respect to sustainability and and really that's what Ron Brings US animal. Let him talk in a second here, but I think usually in this first second, we just try to lay semi ideas out there for Y'all to think about and certainly to spur some questions, we'll take questions we got questions about. What's going on on the roof or the basement or in in the plumbing? Happy to have that you know usual lines a seven, zero, four, five, seven eleven ten but also will have just an incredible resource in Ron and we'll talk about a lot of different topics but Ron, maybe just take a second and share with our listeners the the Ron. Jarvis. Bio. Well it's it's great bio because it's starts in north. Carolina. And I grew up in North Wilkspur North Carolina, which is just north of Charlotte. an hour and fifteen minutes. And with, NC state. Went to community college. Before I went to NC state played basketball, it will community college. you know One of our competitors lows is home town was north works for North Carolina. So work there part time started out driving a forklift there. and. My mom was the assistant manager at the north. Express stores. So it just made sense that after I graduated from NC state that you know go back to Lowe's and I did and and actually loved a great company. And was there for eleven. Years went to Home Depot and Nineteen, ninety, four I was a when I left. Lowe's a merchant a buyer. went to Home Depot as a product merchandise manager and I've had most all departments inside of of the company as. Either a merchant visual merchandise manager or VP over those departments. So I understand the categories understand the factories, the issues, the factories go go through and the great thing about being a merchant at home depot you you travel the world looking at products and when you travel the world, you just don't see the factories. You see the country's you see the people. And you know you know the issues of the world you're not reading it out of a book. and. Then in two thousand, Home Depot was having some protest from. Environmental Groups about our whip purchasing policy. And I was asked by one of the founders at the time was named Pat Faira. John who you know. I. Love Well. He asked me to move to Atlanta from Tampa which was where a divisional office was and hit up this issue and and try to resolve. In the correct way. Concerns we had around the would purchasing policy coming from. non-government environmental groups, and some of the other social green. companies. So I did and I have been an environmental every since that was two thousand I've had many jobs since then. But it's always been bolted to me as something that I do. And So now I brought to do sustainability es g, which is environmental social governance for the company fulltime in all countries. So we have stores in Canada Mexico us. And then we have suppliers and buying offices located throughout the world. And also today. My group runs the. Audits Factory so If you're a manufacturing manufacture products for home depot overseas. My group goes in we look at the factory we do audits we do. Social. Audits. Environmental. Audits. Can make sure the factories are treating the people the way they should be paying fair wages shipping good product although. So that's pretty much the bio and Happy happy to be on your show. We're glad to have. Iran and somewhere in there I believe I actually reported to you. So. So let's just be clear if I say anything. Nice about you today you don't write my reviews I. Have No incentive other than to speak the truth. Even, back then were the same way. For. All right. Well, we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA come up on a break here, and so we'll take it. But I really do want to do welcome you to ask questions especially as you try to make decisions about purchasing product what Ron brings as you heard is a very holistic look. But also what I've always respected about ron a very practical approach It's not pie in the sky. It's this is right. This is wrong. This will help this will not and so we'll open lines for you. They're open, seven, zero, four, five, seven, seven, ten we'll talk to Ron. We'll talk about what's important to you would do all of that when we return to home improvement with John and Dave. Welcome back this is home and the Jonah Dave. I'm John Gordon with the Home Depot our guests. This morning is Ron. Jarvis Chief Sustainability Officer for the Home Depot you can call us at seven four, five, seven eleven ten. We'll talk about what's important you but we're going to focus our attention this morning a lot around sustainability ron thanks for being with us again generally appreciate your time and your information. John Thank you. Thank you opportunity. So so run in well in a sentence or two what How people think about sustainability or what his sustainability? Sustainability is. Something that we all. Live with. It's all something we all should strive to improve, and there's an kind of an overused definition that it's providing today's generation without harming future generations. So how do we stay warm? How do we create clothing? How do we manufacture Food How do we enjoy life? Of without harming future generations now, if you look at what? We've done for probably over the past hundred and fifty years. Is You know as soon as the industrial revolution started and we started doing stuff. And we started taking a tremendous amount of stuff out of out of the ground. So you think of minerals and oil and gas. that's what we've reached and that probably is going to harm future generations maybe even harming us. uh-huh. So we we have to look at things like that and say you know, let's let's look it lands of sustainability and is there a better way to do? It. So That that all makes sense to me and and really David and are ignorant little world. Say that in terms of environmental stewardship, right. So what's happening in our world an environment in the broadest sense of the term you have to be a good steward but. As as the chief Sustainability Officer of. Of the Home Depot how do you? I mean, how do you take a hundred billion dollar company and think about sustainability? WanNa I cook this. Took over this position as far as leading environmental social concerns. In two thousand. It was. It was easier because you know we had one focus it was would perch seeing? Are we destroying the world's forest? Are we the biggest contributor to the. Of. Old Growth. Lever questions at rest. So my focus was very narrow. and as soon as I finish that and took about two years for us to you know create the solution to that issue. Then they said, okay. Then you just run all sustainability for Home Depot class and then I say classic Home Depot. And at that point, it's like eating bon-bons with issues and there's you can think of the stuff that that was coming our way. We still had concerns around you know goes around Vancouver Island. You look at invasive plants. I mean draft through the Blue Ridge Parkway and you'll see invasive plants that are that are up there. You know bird droppings that create growth dozen basit plants. we get calls from communities I got a call from the Manhattan. I think it's a long island's women's garden. Club. Where they were GonNA protest depot because of the noise made by leaf blowers. And they were tired of getting woke up in the morning with these loud leaf blowers and they wanted home depot to do something about it since we're the ones selling them. the colony collapse disorder from honeybees, glue traps all of those I mean there's a thousand touch points that come in to Home Depot. And I tell people I said you you throw you know six tennis balls at me. I'm GONNA hit two or three of them back. You throw a thousand and probably just GONNA duck. I looked at this and say, we have to get our hands around. These issues to where it makes sense. So as I started studying them I said, let's just go back in the old fashioned home depot away start at the bottom and work your way up through the issues. And I, you know what? Really are the issues and so I broke everything down and it it comes out to where it still true today. There are basically five stories. That every issue that comes to people around sustainability fall into. And if those issues, it's carbon emissions. Chemical. Impact for chemical exposure. Deforestation. Water use. And the fifth one group together as waste and recycle. And so once I formalize those groups I, realize that you know whoever's bring issue in I mean whatever the concerns are as they bring them in. I go back out to talk about some of the ones of colony collapse disorder with be that's chemicals chemical exposure. you know looking at the Combustible Engines, all of that carbon emissions. So once I started putting things into these buckets then I said now home depot has to understand not only ourselves and our operations. What is our impact in each one of these five? and. What are the industries contribute to each one of these fives because we walk into a Home Depot store if you turn left and lumber department turn rights, the Garden Center. In you've got live goods to. Trees dead trees that are now lumber and everything in the middle cabinets carpet paint rope, all these product categories, and when you put those into those buckets, you say there's tremendous thousands of suppliers behind the scenes. What is their environmental environmental-impact? So that's that's how we we break it down to those five categories and that is the only to to control it and understand it, and then you know what you're impacts on and some of these impacts from home, depot. are much greater than others I mean if you look at. Another company to say as a Financial Company Bank company, a carpet company, their contribution to deforestation is relatively small. Compared to ours. So we look at these and say, where are we core or are we not core in some of these issues and the ones that were core on we try to take the lead on resolving any issues Cool. That makes sense because I think about it a lot and it is to me it's just overwhelming. I'm in the just duck category that you talked about what the tennis balls right and. And so good for you to do that. One of the things I would like to. Do though is. When we have a well informed guests, we like to try to do what I call. I don't know if that show is still on. I used to like to watch that but. What are some of the myths about sustainability? So if you talk about all these five categories. People have opinions and. And sometimes, their opinions based on misinformation. Are there some fundamental midst? This would be a good opportunity to conic debunk. Yeah there's there's a lot fundamental minutes on on both sides stuff that are you know over exaggerated on their impacts and things that are under exaggerated on intact So when I When I'm looking at myth busting, and that's probably what I spend most of my time doing. Is Yeah I I go to the two extremes are usually Two extremes when when an issue pops up and someone says your purple, it's terrible and it's destroying the earth i. have them come in and sit down and say, okay, explained to me why you think it's terrible. It's destroying the earth then I bring in the manufacture of the industry and so okay tell me why they're wrong not destroying earth. And then I go in the middle and try to find as much information as I can. To see what is what is really happening? So there's there's a lot of miss out there when it's funny I was talking to a group last week. Very highly intelligent mark marketing people. Tell happen to work for the same company I was speaking to them. And I said, so tell me when you think of environmental concerns we as humans we as Homo sapiens. What what are we doing to the earth that you think is the worst thing that we're doing. And so they you know they, I'm sure they were thinking back. What have I seem on Jatta? What else you know Google and they said plastics. and OK plastics. So plastics is the worst thing we're doing and why why plastics bad. and. They talked in minute and the consensus was was that it's in the ocean and I said so. when you look at your town that you live in look at restaurants when you go into a restaurant and pay strivers plastic that's a good thing to go. Yeah. That's a great thing and I said in one the reasons greats because it's helping you eliminate plastic into the ocean. And they said, yes and I said okay so. A plastic going into the ocean what percentage of that comes from America comes from the United States. and. They talk a minute and they came back and they said somewhere between seventy five and eighty, five percent. And that's okay. That sounds fair I mean we use a lot of plastics for the second largest plastic manufacturing country China's number one, number two. So it probably makes sense that we're eighty five percent of the plastic in the ocean. As the answer is we're less than two. So. If you think of all the classics into the ocean and all the things that we're doing to chase the different balls in sustainability. We definitely need to make sure that we manage plastic waste. But we're not the main contributors to I think there's ten rivers, ten different rivers, eight and Asia to in Africa. That create almost ninety percent of the plastic in the oceans. Those are where our efforts need to go to. If we're GonNa do something, let's put together teams that can go over there and help you know the communities manage their way. So they don't throw them into the into the roads into the streams at ends up in the rivers that takes to the ocean. And so it's it's things like that. Where people here here part of the trees you know the truth is we say. Hey hang tight for one second. We're up against a hard break and I wanNA talk global. Impact Folks Home Improvement John be back right after these messages. Welcome back this is home improvement with John and day I'm Gordon with the Home Depot our guest this morning while David is out is Ron Jarvis Ron chief sustainability officer for the Home Depot. A monumental task that I would argue is masterfully ron thanks sorry to interrupt you there on the thing that kind of blows my mind actually but it it all is. Part of what you say is is the myth piece I. Kind of cut you off as you were talking about the fact that most of the plastic issue comes from is a global thing not just a a myopic. United States thing it sounds like. Yes. It's definitely it's definitely a global issue and for those that have just joined the we're talking about plastic in the oceans. And don't the contribution of of the North America basically the United States to that is less than two percent. Now, that doesn't mean that we say it's not our problem because it's less than two percent. It means that we take better care of our coastal communities because that's usually where most of the plastic from America gets into the ocean where along the beaches and things blow off into the into the ocean So it's and I was saying earlier, there's ten rivers eight in Asia to Africa that contribute about eight five to ninety percent of the plastic and the oceans, and then you have companies we're talking about myth busting. We had a company to come came to Home Depot and They were. Trying, to to get us to to buy into this product that was oceans plastic. And they were probably ten people sitting in room listening to this pitch about oceans plastic and and people want to buy a product made of oceans plastics, get it out of the ocean turning something useful use it for use it stick it into a circular economy. So it's here for a while. and. They've been talking for probably twenty minutes and it dawned on me that they were talking about. Plastic that actually came from the ocean but oceans plastics, not oceans plastic. So I asked him, I said this just curiosity how many people in this room listening to this pitch? Think that this plastic comes from the ocean. And everybody raised their hand and I turned to the presenter and I said it doesn't doesn't. He goes well no not really it's recycled program from cities that are close to the ocean. So Wilmington Miami Savannah New York La San Francisco any recycle program that you have close to the city's can be called oceans plastic. And I go. This is just deceiving I said we're hundred knocking to. Advertise this as oceans plastic, we can call it. Coach. But Not Oceans? Plastic. I think that was the thing that always frustrated me And please don't take offense to this listeners. 'cause it's a serious topic but but I I my family I'm either cursed or blessed a lot of the people in my family are scientists. In one manner or another, and they really are you know in God we trust all others bring data, but the topic of gluten-free comes up. And and and it reminds me also of sustainability or green. It's like people say things are call things like. I mean I want you to know right now. I'm speaking into a gluten free microphone. It's like, what's your point right and so when I say myth busting, that's kind of stuff I want to understand I want our listeners understand because I think that as a general rule, the kinds of questions that we get from our listeners and the kinds of things that they do are are really about getting informed or or being informed in an acting accordingly. So I appreciate that you said something. You said something there that I wanted to probe a little bit about though you said. And by the way Ron Interrupt me at any point say John I want to go back to this topic are really want to make sure I get this topic because there's we we only have two hours. It seems like a long time, but it'll go fast. So. Please direct me as you want to but You talked about a circular circular something. Clear economy, right what what is that? Yes surfing economy is when you design products with the production, the US and the disposal in mind. And because it's you know if you think for one hundred and fifty years, we've taking all this other grand resources out of the earth copper minerals. Crude oil gas all these things that we've taken out that were below ground resources. So you can imagine what we have created our above ground resources are huge think of all the landfills think of the waste think of the trash trucks you see going down the road. If we could and we will get there where we create a circular economy where you know that your iphone that was manufactured when it goes in to after you cycle. It'll be dismounted and you know product will go into this one. This will go onto the other and. Will be reused. Now we will get there s a society. It'll take us a while and there there's things that we're doing. We've we've got a program on people that we're just not. So proud of there is if you think of every Home Depot that you see whatever community you live in Matthews Pineville Cornelius wherever it is. As you go through the Home Depot and you look in the back of the store, you'll see big bundles of plastic. Every bit of the plastic at Home Depot is bundled and taken to one of their distribution centers and then sent to a company called treks decking. And trek takes our plastic mix it with wood chips and turns it into this beautiful composite tracks decking and tobacco is to sell. So, that's part of the circular economy that is working. So. Yeah. When I, talk about their economy, we're grabbing for bits and pieces all over saying how do we create this puzzle connect the dots to where the resources are above ground and we start utilizing waste and stuff that we've manufacturers years. Is Amazing we're going to be up against a break here and so we'll take it but I wanna I wanna I wanNA touch back on that a little bit. I. Really WanNa, talk about how we can point folks who are listening to two somewhere to see actually what APP, what happens and what's been built into Kinda give hope because the question that I want to answer there's well, there's a thousand of, but I. WanNa spend a little bit of time on product if we can't, and then I really want to address a fundamental question that says can addressing the practical make a difference and I know you'll have some thoughts on that. So we're gonNA take a break whereas seven, four, five, seven, seven, ten gives colleagues got questions for Ron or other questions, and we'll tackle all of them when we return to home improvement with John Dave. Welcome back this is home improvement with John Dave I'm John Gordon with the Home Depot our guest this morning while Mr David takes a well-deserved break is Ron. Jarvis Rana's achieve sustainability officer for the Home Depot. It's a monumental task arguably done. In a fashion that is monumentally awesome ron thanks for being with us this morning I appreciate Tom on Saturdays are precious. So thanks for spending it with us. Thank you. John. This is definitely my pleasure and it shows that's that's what's cool about this. So I, I want I want to. I just my brain is going everywhere. I'll stick to our of our outline of the best I can but I wanted to ask one question because this just starts banging around the back of my brain is 'cause I listened to what you're talking about. I think about the company that we work for and its magnitude size scope, and as you said, you know think about the impact. But is it can can is there hope I mean are you optimistic or pessimistic? Ken Can just do in practical things without going crazy can that make a difference? Yes, it can and It's in I have four kids so I look at what their life is going to be. It is like and what's the impact and the the best thing that ever happened in sustainability and the best thing is probably ever happened to to humans. Is when sustainability starting becoming a competitive measurement. So think of at home. Depot retailers. Even North Carolina. And we have to lobby full. Of of people that are coming into pitch their product from all four corners of the globe. And so if you're selling what is picking item if you're you're selling hammers. And a company merchant a buyer has an opportunity to buy from fifteen different hammer manufacturers. Now they're gonNA listen to price they're, GONNA, listen to quality they're going to listen to what type of distribution model you have but somewhere in that deck now, which used to not be there twenty years ago. But somewhere in their concern presenting their their product to the merchant is a stage on a page on sustainability. And on that page, they'll say. We are reducing our carbon emissions were buying into renewables. We are recycling parts of the metal that's going into the head we've moved from X. Two X. for the handle the calls its more sustainable and as I saw that transition you know starting around two thousand, six, thousand, seven. And getting more prominent today. I've said this great because it's no longer US pushing suppliers to do stuff suppliers are coming in and saying, let us tell you why we're better than the person that was just here, and that's not just in home improvement industry. It's happening in banks where companies come in and say you know this is our system. Our system uses less energy. We have servers and places where the grid is cleaner than other other. That's a whole different topic that we should get into as the communist of of grids and how people should look at that. And the energy grids but that's my hope and I see that getting better and better. Across the industries where companies are putting are indeed research and development dollars into doing the right thing. And it's interesting because we used to and we still do put a lot of emphasis on certifications. So we started a program called equal options in two thousand, seven's seven, which gives customer insight into products that have less than impact on the environment than standard. Products. So. Part of that was you had to be certified Green Guard gold. Cradle to cradle at that see certified would energystar Watterson and it's today it's about almost eleven billion dollars. So it's over ten percent of ourselves. What I would find is would walk stores to talk about these products is walking past ninety percent of the products to look at the good certified products. So a few years ago, I got some of the merchants together and I said here's what we're going. Do stop buying green products to stop. Now. Let's go green the products that we buy OSCO. At Home Depot, we have a parallel path we still by as much green certified products that we can but we don't ignore the other products that don't have a certification. We look at those and say what are the impacts is it a certain chemical? Is the way ship is containers shifted Styrofoam how do we reduce each one of these every day to have continual improvement And you know what's funny when you say that reminds me because you know you've got to folks on your team art and Logan and I i. they'll tell you that I'm kind of a pest, but I have a very large customer. In single family. Residence. And they asked me they are very focused on providing energy efficient products in their homes water. You know favorite devices and things like that and when you what you just said rings too because she asked me, she said, well, which of the Faucet should I buy to make sure that it's a water saver faucet or which are the shower head should I buy to make sure to waterfalls of water? You know savers it's. LEGIT and I said. Anyone you want. Because you greened that entire category, right? Yeah. And that's and if I'll tell a quick story walking with eight environmental reporter in Chicago a few years ago. I took them over to the new low flow toilets at home depot had, and so we had probably twenty five toilets on the run and I said look at this. It's beautiful. It's priced at eight dollars and it is low flow only uses it that time like one point two gallons warm side it's like two five. And he looked at me and he goes your Home Depot. Why aren't they all though? And I go what the heck he is. One hundred percent right came back. Got Got with the the MVP over plumbing and said John John Wicks. Let's let's look at this. Can we do this and within probably two years? Every toilets low flow. So when you go to buy toilet, you're buying Kohler if you're buying American standard Glacier Bay as you look at those, they're all. We did the same thing with paint. We took pains from regular VOC's too low voc paints, showerheads, Bass faucets all of those are the standard that is you know the best in the industry and it's 'cause I I look at it and say customers shouldn't have to stand in the aisle of a home improvement store and choose between good and evil. Somebody should be doing that for them and not make it to where okay. Now I'm buying this product is. Supply water you know the new shower heads that are low flow feel just like the old. jeepers so that so that's i. think that's a piece that I wanted that the reason I wanted folks to hear you ron and we've already made clear that you don't write my reviews and so I can speak the truth without having to feel like, I'm you know Anyway, the thing that I have appreciated as I watched all the different ways or pieces of our business that you have approach is precisely what you just said. It's like there was a very practical fundamental approach to this. You said, Hey, here's the far one extreme. Here's the other extreme. How do we get to the middle? Here's a product class why make people think and so I think when when I asked the question is practical does practical make a difference I? I kind of knew the answer was yes. But I really wanted to get that because I want our listeners to believe and to think that that practical is as powerful maybe that could be a marketing thing like alliteration. But. So when I say that, are there other product categories that that get your focus when you think about sustainability? Are there some places that you'd like to make you know? Wear known Yes. Enough you know we spend a tremendous amount of time still little but not to the degree we used to you know in the aisles walking the store and how the answers. For any of the questions that we have is not in a book, it's not in the office it's not in meeting it standing in the aisle in front of the product. And saying, Oh, I see why this works or I see this doesn't work. And so we we we look at those questions to what's really happening. I know that we have to address it. From. What's happening inside of the store? And That's how we pulled up the trump looking at the product and say, what is the biggest impact here? In, how do we resolve? That makes sense I. we're going to be maybe a minute or so away from a heartbreak at the top of the hour here when we come back around I do WanNa talk about. I want to take a deep dive into that circular economy that you talked about for one second, and then I want WanNa shamelessly have you helped me get people pointed to that video that I watched that actually made my jaw drop about what's actually going on and what happens to take care of those above ground resources that you talked about because I think it will give people ideas. About things to do waste of a haven in their individual lives and so I definitely want to talk about that. And then well, there's a pile of things that we in an a list of questions that we've talked about. But I do want to talk about some really practical things that that can be just maybe some fun facts or some things for people to think about that will prompt them to behave in a particular way as they think and behave as consumers so. John got what things that we we look at it as if you WanNa, reduce your impact on your house, think about what you're doing in your house. So it's on a weekly basis. What are you bringing into your house for? What are you using? And that's where you're environmental-impact is so it's pretty simple. We could talk about that as well. I perfect Segue we're gonNA, take a break approval with China Dave. We'll be back after these important messages. 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