20 Episode results for "Giora"

#1,421 - The Eternal God Who Redeems Us (Deuteronomy 33:2627)

Pray the Word with David Platt

04:49 min | 4 months ago

#1,421 - The Eternal God Who Redeems Us (Deuteronomy 33:2627)

"Pre the word with david platt is a resource from radical dot net deuteronomy chapter thirty three versus twenty six and twenty seven. There is none like god. Osiris suren who rides through the heavens to your help through the skies in his majesty. The eternal god is your dwelling place and underneath are the everlasting arms. Am just so overwhelmed right now by these two verses and i just wanna speak them directly to any person listening right now knows god. You've put your faith in jesus to forgive your san restore you to god. You know god as your father. I swan speak these words to you. Especially if you are in need of help from god right now. Which even as i say that we all are need help from god. At every moment we have no breath without god have no food or water without god. Our hearts still beat without god. We live in constant of help from god. And yet i think about the context here in deuteronomy and how gods people are desperate for his help and his provision and there are times in our lives where we feel that desperation go through challenges when we go through battles in different ways and we feel tired and alone weary week and i'm guessing some of you were there right now and if that shoe i switch to feel this picture there is none like god. Oh i love to put your name in there. Because god rides through the heavens to your help. Would you just get that picture. God rides through the heavens dal you he rides through the skies and his majesty to help you the eternal god is your dwelling blace and underneath are the everlasting arms. Just feel that right now. Just see the god of the heavens riding through them to be your help through the skies and his majesty coming to help you as your dwelling place. He's the place where you rest and underneath you. Who are his everlasting arms. God i pray. Deuteronomy chapter thirty three twenty six and twenty seven over those who are struggling right now over those who need an extra measure of help right now. God i pray he would ride to the evans to their help to the skies in your majesty to help them they would rest in you. The eternal god as their dwelling place they would find deep rest in you today right now in this moment and they would know underneath them are the ever lasting arms of the eternal god. There's no more secure place to be hogan than this and we praise you for the privilege of being here. We don't deserve this. Jesus repays you for making this possible with praise you for talking about riding the heavens giora help for for being born living dying on a cross rising from the grave to help us to save us. We glorify your name in your majesty for your salvation in our lives that makes it possible for us. No matter what this world brings us to know that you the eternal god our dwelling place and underneath us are your ever lasting arms we arrest in you in. Jesus name amen.

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Episode 144: Weird Scary Shit

Jeather's Random Stuff

23:54 min | 2 weeks ago

Episode 144: Weird Scary Shit

"We're our already there we okay. Hey here we go sorry guys. That was more than ten minutes. All right though and it's okay have everything's great So we're back sorry. I'm typing to our listeners. On twitch shiva listener on twitch we do we have a couple really shit or these. We have robin and i don't know for albans still listening. I robin robin robin. And we have Chances dad gerry. Whose listening and he said chances high so chance must be listening to you. Oh hello jerry jones. We're back sorry. That was more than ten minutes. But we had wash it going on and it took lunar for me to upload upload so have changed so the our back we are back We're going on with our fall theme ball. Oh wait wait. I'm jacoby oh yeah. I think i'm heather and together we make a. You're listening to judge random stuff. This podcast is free and independent because we get no support from anyone we do it out of the goodness of our show. All guys could change that for us. Yes so we're going to what we have to set up a like a patriot. I haven't done that because no one wants to contribute to us. I know because we only have like six subsequently. I mean what what the total. It's way better. Whatever but there are the best six subscribers in the whole world. Love you guys yeah. That was a nice kiss. Yeah that was funny that oh let's see okay. I don't know. I kinda wanna see what you're going to say to this. Oh god just because okay. I'm going to ask a little mill. Just because i want you to think about it and then think about okay all speaker question okay. What is the worst thing someone can say on a first date. La those i know. But like what's like the worst thing that they could say like I would say it would be like something like oh wow by x. Would never do that. Oh yeah or my mom makes better spaghetti or whatever that would be the mom or that. Yes the where. Where did you say. I feel like thor would have a good one doors. I live at my mom's doors not talking to the microphone because he's not participants trying to not participate but he keeps participating. He does participate but he won't talk in the mike i know he's he he's purchasing but not because he that really wanna be but then he can't he can't hold it in he's got i got to let it out. I do like living with the mom. And i live with my way. I don't know if i can stay out later. I got ask my mom. I have a curfew curfew a curfew. I'm not old enough to drink. Ooh of bad one. Can you be my mommy. Oh my god that would be date. I thought i was trying to find someone. Adopt me a date. you're going to be. How old are you. Oh my god. I don't have great answers okay. Well yeah well. I thought you know i just know whatever i only dated for a hot second i i know but you caught him. You caught were because i really date in high school very little. Yeah very very little i was. I didn't either. I found out later. Everyone was all. The boys are afraid of me. Not a good time. Yeah i still say they were afraid of apparently was very hostile. Yeah apparently like hostile hostile person that was hostile high school with all those fucking hormones hostile. Yeah also i think yeah. I think mine was more as i was. Rick nelson's daughter. Oh yeah yeah. No one wants to date a teacher slash drivers well. My mom was also chairman of the school board. So fucking scary too. Yeah i don't wanna do that. Don't wanna do that. Daughter prater hotter. I actually went out with a preacher son. How was that. He was the nicest guy of course he was so nice but we ended up breaking up for like probably two years after that. My dad kept saying. Hey what happened to john. John like john's gone k. He's not he's not harry. They loved john. Okay yeah. I don't know but he was really nice actually. We stayed friends after. that's good. yeah that's really good. I don't remember dating along the nice guys. Yeah he was like the only one that was it. Must of my were losers from other schools because i just trying to piss people off. Yeah yeah that's awesome. That's awesome good for you. Good for you appreciate it. So we're gonna stick with our theme that it's fall and we love halloween. I stick with our theme This week and our theme is the ten scariest monsters from legend and from around the world case. So we'll see we've even. I haven't read it yet because that's how we roll on here. I don't actually read it beforehand. Because then it wouldn't be a surprise for both of us. Think cramp is should be on there. I think cramp is should be on there because jason should be on there. Yeah tim we do a podcast about cramps like years ago. How fun is it to save. Been doing this for years. We have six us the best movie ever all right so the first one i haven't heard of and i'm not sure how to it. They are characters right from halloween. Okay so it's either black annis or black amos camping. I'm gonna say black annis a. n. n. i. s. Anise anise black annis. I've never this all right. This is england's version of the boogeyman. O k so like john wick. It's a blue faced witch that lives in case has claws made of iron and razor like teeth and is blamed for the disappearance of livestock livestock. Yeah chesler still children and devours them. A live parents tell their children. If they misbehave the black annis is gonna come and drag them out of their beds so mean. Let's especially if it really happens. I know right. Did you see the movie the The tooth fairy where the tooth varies i- evil and like couldn't come into the light and like a kid slapped. All i do remember that kind of okay. I think i was a little drunk for that. Okay are you junk right now. Little came into okay. That's what makes us so fun. I mean take drake great. What are we. We're drinking loss river wine from kobe's winthrop. It's like the only winery and winthrop called loss river. And it's actually pretty good. This number two the demagogue organ. This is from this has been in. Dnd right on street. stranger things. Change your thanks demo organ. this is a regime in greece. Okay the democ organ. i do remember that. This monster is is in the underworld but every year during all hollow. Ziv eve when the portal opens between the underworld. Okay and it comes out rips off everybody's limbs until nothing is left. The victim's body just ahead yeah by itself the dimming gorgan. Yeah that's a little creepy. That seems like a hard way to die. It does right being drawn and quartered. Well you would be. You would live for a while because you live without your arms and your legs. Yeah then once your head got severed it would be pretty much so i never knew like in the middle ages. They used to call they. We call it drawn quarter people and i never do the horse that i never knew what that meant. Was that the horse thing. Yeah so they like literally take four horses and they tie tutu your arms tutor legs and they cut you a arms and legs and the horses go and they like pull off arms and legs. You believe that. Yeah and it's called being drawn and quartered on like that's that's horrible. That's like the most horrible thing. Well they wanna make sure that you suffer in your death. Yeah for that until other people are like oh shit. I don't want that happen to me. I better good be catholic or whatever. Yeah don't do okay okay. The next one the dollah hawn. This isn't ireland. I don't know if i'm saying right. The dole home dolan is very creature. Ride the horse at night and carries its own. Head in. One arm headless horseman. Oh shit it even rips out its own spine to lash victims. Oh yeah it doesn't need a spine spine helps your head stay on. We'll goal and also mosier arms lakes right. He's he's a spirit. Eat that. There's a myth that if it calls out your name you fall dead and less. You're carrying gold. So if you're an ir thank god you got me the real. What so if you're an ireland carry gold in your pocket or you're gonna get your spine rip or no you're going to get hit with someone spine. That obama may not kill me though that may or may not kill. You doesn't really say 'cause. I think survives spine lashing. I think you could. I think you could. I think he would grab that spine. Rip it out of their hands and turn around and beat them with their own. Beat them to death. I think that you would do that. I think it'd be more fun to take the spine and put and strangle them with a. I think you could do that. I have confidence that you could do that. I've strong enough hands. I k- yeah. That's what we do. Okay does the plan number. Four number four is the ghoul. A ghoul. this are saying is from arabia but everybody has ghouls right. So you have a goal here. A ghoul no. I have a ghost. He goes oh golden gopher different ghouls different. What's the goal. It's an evil spirit goes usually lurks around graveyard and abandoned buildings. Waiting for people walk by. Oh this says once it has seen its targeted shifts into a hyena hyena that my oh shit and jumps on whoever it's like targeted and devours flesh. Until there's nothing left. Gould or nasty k- that's what we're getting from. This is okay all right. Nobody wants a cool drink right here. never five not going to say it's right giora ghouma. This is from china. Oh god what are they do. Oh god it resembles a giant spider. Oh it's not that scary for some people less really scary. It's just a giant spider. Oh my god they shape oh they shape shift in the form of a woman. Okay laura's people into its killing grounds and then exposes his true form giant spider. So it's a widow and then this creature us it's all of his legs to slash a grab it as target and uses sharp teeth to bite into their victims. Allow god this is not even that great of a thing because they don't have teeth have pincers. This one has teeth now. They don't that pincers. It's a gerege uma at has pincers. It's ger ghouma there so they're gonna kill you because it's a giant spider and spiders or scary are they. Yes yes yes yes they are. That's why they always have them out of halloween time scary. I don't decorate with spiders because you have real ones do after faye once a real ones in front of my house. There's still don't like it. No they're so cute. You know. I have found so many ki- i told her. I found the big old block widow in their bathroom at work. Yeah you did. tell me that. Unfortunately i got a leg off of it wrestling with it to get it outside. He took it out. Oh yeah i went out and what went on in my hand know like sabi taking it out because i was like she was at the window and yes i realize i'm holding the black widow but i'm still very appreciative of what it can do to me. I hope that you are. I am and you know you're not supposed to guard with your hands. I realize this. And that's why i yelled everybody in my way. It was a galloway because i literally had it like this and i didn't really feel like having a black widow bite that day. Next time you have to get a cup. i'd have time. I don't care for greece with me. You have no time. The best i could do with the paper gallison at crawled right now. No no listen listen. Linda no fighting it. But the next one might so listen if you ever grabbing your handing in a yell at you fucking block. What was going to bite me. It's gonna be the one. I tore leg off of wrestling within the bounds. No and this one did not. Even though i tore a leg off of it. I felt bad for missing a leg off the list. Lopsided if you get bit trying to move a black widow from work and after right up a damn incident report for you. I'm gonna be fucking pissed. So listen to god if i get so your cup from now on. Why don't you fuck and do it. You know what. I don't care i'm not gonna make up close ever know. They're they're grumbling. Really grown through grumpy lockwood grumpy even if they added like torn off all right. This one i've heard of what is a win i have to that's on You know why you heard of it a window go is actually you heard about that on supernatural in the first season a was it. When did watch all sixteen seasons about you go. First season was the best. These are creatures that were once people. Yes they were. It's believed that when they are when they were this is there's a typo i can't believe i hate it when there's typos. It's believed that when they were human their evil ways turn them into monsters and so then they stock travelers and possess your friends and they're cannibals. Yes they are that that was in one of the third episode of them so they were going remember they were going into the forest and this window was able to project its voice. I guess they were like asking for help. They had this den and they were keeping some of the hikers. They had that they stole that. They were trying to save alive because they needed them alive for a certain amount of time. Because just like any other pray. You don't want dead and then you know it'd be all stinky golfie stinking gotta keep it alive for a little bit. This is how i feel about stinky. She doesn't know about knows. that's hard about sneaky. I like a window. Go number seven not her to this the ink on am. I can't say it on a nimba in the nba pronounce. Orser sorry spelled inc. i n. K. and then a n. y. a. mba any yamba. I'm gonna that sounds better thanks. That sounds good. What did they do okay. It is passed down from generation of sailors. it takes the form of giant waned e eal. And it's blamed for the bad weather but it attacks boats and syncs them and then eats the ship's crew dan. I don't okay. wow i. that's not good. Okay all right yeah Now that you can't prove anything this is. This is a south african for african legend. So go out in the cape cod. Yes so no going out because you're gonna eat sunken eaten because yeah yeah. That's true all right. This next one is from the philippines. Oh always walk. A swat oswal gays as walk. Okay oh god. Oh my god all right emerson to read this because it sounds fucking horrible. Are you ready ready. Imagine the joy of having a small child grow inside you now imagine a monster devouring your child from inside your womb. What this can do that. I don't it possesses pregnant women and consumes their unborn babies. Oh my god. Legend say the only way to spot that you're possessed by one is to look for an upside down reflection of the creature in your so basically anybody has a miscarriage. Could happen possessed by this. Yes okay good now. That's it's the also that sucks right. Oh number nine. I've heard of this one. The slender man. ooh yeah. it's not even real. Somebody's made fucking up. All right phase creator come up that stands tall and he's wearing a suit in a stocks people. At night hunters victim. Duck's children terrorize people. Rumor says he haunts your drains and drives you into insanity but i. This is just something that people made up. It's like not even a real thing. Even though those girls remember those girls that i killed their friend yes because they thought slender man wanted to is like totally made up. It's not even a real thing. People are stupid. People are stupid number ten. Oh god this sorry. I've got the hiccups because she's so scared. And it's not because i'm scared. It's because i'm drunk. I'm just gonna say scared of trump. Whatever i'm drunk are you drunk. Well okay that's how we roll. Okay this is from japan ouko. I'm an attempt to say it say. Are you ready. Yeah i'm gonna phonetically say it k- gosh addict koro. Ooh that sounds japanese. Gosh to carl. Okay if you go to japan and you wonder if alone you could be the victim of this creature okay. It's believed as origin came about by the death of people who have starved. People starved up like this creature and the bodies of the people that they collect together after their desks they create this giant skeleton that lurks across the land since creepy. They bite off heads of the passing travelers and suck out their victims blood. Oh my god. Oh my god they end. They'll see searched the countryside of the hunger. That never goes away. Yeah that should be number ten. Gosh ado roco. I don't know if that was the list kobe. That's like shit. Those were creepy things. Okay but most of those. I haven't heard of the only one i've heard of is the wendy go. That's when i heard and this slender man that's the only one i've heard of right and ghoul. I've heard of ghoul. But other than that. I haven't heard of anything like the black amos. That sounds like a disease. That's why raise the black heinous. Yeah are you hitting on wall. Majorly heather has hit the wall. So yeah she's okay. We're gonna have to sign off because heather said a wall. I really did hit him. But thanks for listening to the creepy creepy things. We're going to be back with more halloween stuff next. Pock all on x. podcast if you're listening to live on twitch we'll be back in two weeks to do another twitch two shows probably around six ish yup around six h so we'll be bad there on twitch in two weeks and be last one before we go to disneyland. They will be doing some do facebook. Lives from Disneyland so if you haven't subscribed to our facebook page go together and stuff and subscribe to our facebook page and go subscribe to her instagram and send us an email at jazz stuff. Anyways we're going to sign off right now k. And we hope everybody has a great weekend and we'll see you next time.

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The White Book S12E28 478

The White Book

1:23:23 hr | 2 weeks ago

The White Book S12E28 478

"Welcome to the white book. Podcast the original egging else. G podcast originally founded in two thousand ten champs trump. we decided to rebrand gave relaunched second a huge thank. You goes out benazir quite named for dr arnn for this game world we love and of course to my co hosts listening. Please if you enjoy the show. Leave us a review on his choice comment on facebook threads or even better of us adriaan. We love turning that support backing to the. This is season twelve of the white book. Podcast welcome to props and slaps the white book adjacent podcast. The eight will is the person who has done. Four hundred seventy eight episodes. I am the person who has done. Three hundred and fifty s episodes. And i think roy has probably done about three hundred probably fewer. I started in the two hundreds and matthew suggestions. Twenty least for roy. Then t twenty two. We have done more podcasts than your favorite podcast in. It's like this american life i it. It doesn't matter what your favorite podcast is. Is i think what what aaron's getting whatever it is we've probably done more episodes. Yeah have you done more episodes than every podcast on my podcast. Let me see unless like the podcast fees. They're like for seven different podcasts. You not you know what i mean. Law limited resources is done more episode soon filtered but they're episodes are terrible so it doesn't count okay There at six fifteen. The history of england podcast done no. Let's see is is that in three hundred forty eight actually fewer fewer three hundred forty eight episodes many favorite well proud. Podcast has almost certainly been more but they don't remember there's wait. What is letter encounters at three or four. They're little babies. So jay and my jan miles or at three forty six week absolutely destroyed them. Oh i knew them all right. We should stop doing this. This is not thrilling. Radio with all five can't see You know who's probably way ahead of us that podcast. I really liked the people that annoyed me a ono. They're not the Away what. I don't wait what i don't listen to have interest in weight wide comic podcast. Don't worry about it. Okay wait what sorry. I'm aware how stupid that was. But i could not resist all right if how stupid that was but i could not resist. Pry watch all that. All right. the The netflix remake of. She's all at a movie. That while i admit i have not watched since i was in high school. Did have a certain special place in my heart as you know one of those high school movies who watched growing up wait is she is all that the one where Seth green is locked in a bathroom. I can't hardly wait. I think isn't it. i don't know they. They blend with one time. Sure that's where the google machine the only one good one of errors ten things. I hate about you so i mean none of these are good on another teen. Movie is pretty great as far as a satire on the genre look. It doesn't hold up in any way shape or form but like seventeen to nineteen year old however exactly old. I was has probably never laughed harder than at the first american pie. Okay that was yet. I looked pretty owning entirely. You're not wrong. I'm aware we're well past that being in any way acceptable but in nineteen ninety nine. Yeah i mean certainly. We have to acknowledge the context of the time and our past cells. Yes she's all. That is i believe the one where we're freddie prinz. Junior tries to make rachel cook pretty. Yes that is famed lightly the glasses. Yes despite her already being. It's still one. It's based on shakespeare. Play withdraw one gaming. True no krugg. I should know that off the top of head english teacher. But he's not coming to me now. My fair lady and pick up pick a million sink shakespeare. it's job or not yes. Okay and so. That's what is modern updating event and the film my fair lady there's a The last thing we're gonna talk about this section has random again. Let remind me of the shakespeare thing we get to the last thing in the section. It's fair well. I don't know that. I have a whole lot to say about. He's all that other than like. I said i have not watched. She's all that. Since i was in high school and obviously time and my own mentality in that period probably affects things. But i definitely feel like this was kind of a dumber version of that I don't know like we've talked before about. Never have i ever which is another. You know with latest comedy. Yeah which is fantastic and hilarious and witty and everybody like sounds like a real teenager. And he's all that like mrs. All of those marks it was. It was weird. A lot of it seemed to be a bizarre product placement thing where characters would show up at a party and immediately be like. Hey i'm going to go over there and get some pizza hut or leave the party like hey can i take some kentucky fried chicken with me and just weird things like that. We cannot imagine why that would happen in a netflix movie was. It is so hard to put our finger on what has to pay for their shitty movie. Somehow they do but a lot. I can't remember any others that i've watched that have done that. So it was. What about every action movie in its loving shots of Like cars that have when there's no plot michael bay movies michael murphy. Movie marvel movies also. I mean obviously as furious like they put a huge amount of work in which they pick right right like. You're just weird so at the end of the day. He was not in fact all that he wasn't but you know what was matthew lillard who was in the yeah as the principal. And at first you don't see him for probably a solid eighty percent movie until like the prom at the end you just hear him making announcements And making these really rajai comments on events kind of the self deprecating like. Why do i even have this job. Kind of tone And it's it's pretty good if not great but then at the end of the movie when i realized oh crap that's matthew lillard no no wonder i recognize that and then like the climax happens at the prom and whatever and then kind of in the background of the scene you see the principal who is still up on the stage after trying to like a war that crowns and stuff just kinda start grooving and dance to the song and it's it's almost shot like wait a minute. I think maybe matthew lillard was just bored and just like started doing this. And then everything. Changes focus to to focus on matthew lillard dancing on stage. It's such a weird shift in the movie but it was amazing and i loved it. They paid matthew lowered set appearance fee. They just wanted to get the most out. I can only imagine man and the my last note on the film is If you guys watch girl meets world I can't think of his name now. Thought my head but The main love interest for riley in the movie The kind of country kid appears in this movie as kind of the dushi a rival boyfriend and he appears to be playing Spencer pratt if you remember that guy by way of like kay fad and it is weird. If you remember the show the hills i do okay. Yes vaguely yes. Spencer was the the blonde like super dushi. Bro guy from that show and thirty eight years old video. They appeared to have modeled this character off of him so much. It's strange he started in a show called snapchat or of the year and was snapped. Jeter year eighteen Hokke snap cheddar of the year. I mean that's like strange as the fat among young people watching videos of people eating food. See i i get it. I don't i find it extremely gross like the idea. I'm not a fan of it. But i get it i get it's it's functionally voyeurism right. Like a lot of their life has been watching things that takes food on their phone. you'll level. yeah it's just like i. I mean people still yell at me constantly. Wider kids watch people playing video games. Like i don't know to be entertained. Let people like things i just. It's specifically eating food. Find just like physically gross like there's many things that people watching the video. It's just like i find it physically revolting away that very few things that young people watching the internet Just don't bother me. I have a similar attitudes. That what you have there erin but just google. what if people eight people especially superheroes. Wow dark i mean. There is a marvel zombies episode of what if and let me tell you. marvel zombies. Is i almost cursed in That would be more work for will extremely stupid italy then it always will be. They tried a real hard to wilson pesos. Into that and it was still also tried in the kirkman Kirkman one from. I thought it was millar. Do it's it's the. It's the guided walking dead kirkman. Sean phillips does five so for seniors ago it was bad i kill bad. I can never get into the marvels obvious thing. It just does nothing for me and study colleagues utterly depressing which may be is a problem. What is it doesn't entail noticed. It doesn't say anything interesting about the characters like it's like wow. Did you know that like they could be zombies. It's like wow what a deep thought. Thanks bros. i guess i guess eight had be extra heroic because there's zombies. Sometimes they'd have to kill their friends. Which is the same as every zombie story. Lau the closest to something interesting. I guess it came was flipping. The wanda envision dynamic with. Who's the survivor. And who's not but even that just kind of like destroys what has been established about. The league is very hard for me to imagine. Marvel zombies vision being worthy to lift mule near you know it's big bad dumb. It was the worst episode of the series so far one quick correction aaron reading a little bit more. The concept was originally introduced in one arc of mark millar's terrible ultimately or run that it was right erc men who did the best selling famous series that okay but it a millar concept I want to think marvel zombies and has anything else earn. put robert kirkman so think kirkland's a bad writer. Oh okay kirkman is not a bad writer. He's just an extremely troby writer. If that's fair escape is trump's yet but it was done. So stupidly did niches. Reek of millar. I hate marvel zombies. I hate it too. But also like i refuse to give kurkin passer morals obvious like sure. It's all dumb. Look it's all the way down. Look if if you. If i was the writer of the walking dead and the walking dead was genuinely really good for a long time. Yet the first few and then marvels like. Here's a stupid big check. One right superhero zombies. I would yes i do. Thank you stupid big check. Here's a bunch of stupid shit about superheroes being zombies. I mean yeah. I mean look. I don't begrudge the man taking the money like i mostly don't begrudge anybody taking the money from elias regrets millar taking money begrudge. Millar is being bad at his job. I don't. I don't begrudge him in the sense that oh hey do this tear. Do the spiderman run mark. You're okay cool it during the sock late everyone. This has been our weekly. We hate mark millar ran. It is interesting. How often that comes up He's the worst before. Look it's obvious. Kirkman did it to help promote walking dead which was only two years old at that point and wasn't walking dead the way it became later yet and now he's still took a few more years zombie. Oh yeah. I don't even know what you guys continue talking about. What if i'm going to figure out what robert they'd invincib- being rich buffs. So i mean i it. Is there any hails. Atta marvel zombies. It can be talked about kilometer. It was just depressing. That's that's all. I've got i mean to me. It was depressing because it was so bad. I mean it wasn't great but it also just like kept doubling down on the nihilism. Which like isn't zombie stories. That's based are there may even good allegory. The only good zombie story. That's outside of like the original show. That had shawn's amazing. But i will still stand by the f- the first season of the walking dead tv show as a stand alone. That is really good but it yet. At that point it's like trying to hold onto the hope. And like how do you try to keep grasp of that world in your values and then it it ends before we get completely given to the nihilism like obviously the scientists that did blue things up or whatever but our viewpoint character has not given it yet. so does eventually what. I didn't get that for the show because they spent what felt like thirty years looking for some little girl but would always interested me in the comics. Is i like their different ideas of what they try to build a community and it would fall apart. Like i thought that was consistently. Interestingly i thought the characterization of all the different people as trying to basically build a new society from the ground up under constant threat of either other survivors or zombies was consistently fun. Everything else about it was but i really enjoyed. Let's jump to kill munger. Because i don't think so a lot of episodes of what if have taken heat because they don't have real endings. They feel like pilots to set up the next part of what if and like like. That's always a little bit the case. But oh my god. Is that the case for kill monger. Yeah really hanging of. They don't even pretend to resolve the plot so it was one of the more interesting episodes except it was only half an episode so like severe slops for not actually telling a story you know this is the episode that made me come to the realization that the writers of what if i mean. Okay maybe maybe there is a down the line big plan big picture reason for this but right now it feels like the writers of what if are navel-gazing. A little too much like they've put themselves in a box of like. Here's how everything would be horrible. And they can't figure out how to get out of it. I mean i. I admit i didn't read every single issue of what if growing up But i definitely know that. Not every issue i read was a bleak. Oh my goodness all of the heroes die. Everything is terrible. And you know. I read a boatload. I think i've read every rendition of exiles which not strictly a one but similar thing and also not everything is doom and gloom there. And i feel like that's all what. If is this. This is the one that going into it. I had kind of like hoped that we would see a world. Where like okay. Tony doesn't become iron man but you know kill monger does and maybe because of that like different arkan's life he you know ben's the hero direction and you get to see how his mindset like plays with that and that sort of thing but now like it doesn't play with what if kill monger became a hero which is what i had hoped it was what if kill monger was just always terrible and killed everyone. Along the way of so at the end of the day it falls into the worst of comics problems where where grim and gritty and dark is what they think adult means they think mature means yes. Gory and everyone being Betraying each other all the time and like men. Welcome to the capitalist health. Scape i guess. But i don't know yeah i don't know i keep coming back more to i think episode one has been my favorite of what if so far i i really like i like the star lord when the star lord one is really positive decide. What if the trawlers starwood. It's just a really positive happy. So so that's the first two episodes like Screw this noise dark grim dark dark dark. Yeah and maybe. I wouldn't have noticed. Thought about the dark thing as much if they had split up the later episodes by. We've had what is it foreign a row now. That have been dark. all right. Let's move the f- on cheers. Who the lime town. Yeah you guys heard of limestone town either the podcast or the tv show Hit not not even a little bit So the the gist is. The town. Started as a podcast. Back in i forget the year maybe twenty fifteen or so. It was one of the first podcast that i got hooked on That was a like audio drama and it eventually got like opted for tv. Show in whatever. And i kind of had missed. I guess that the tv show head actually came out. Facebook did it and with their kinda failed. Watch stuff now now. Peacock has it so is in the mood for something Kind of halloween esque at this point. Getting into spooky season. So i started. binging lime town and it The premise is that it follows a reporter For for a public radio station named leah who is investigating A corporate town called lime town the several years beforehand Everyone in the town had just disappeared. Like there was a There's a nine one one call. And when the first responders got there the gates to the you know gated kind of corporate village where locked And when they were able to to get in the whole town was empty. Nobody was there and it's been this mystery for years. Nobody's found any survivors. Nobody knows what happens to them She has a personal connection because her uncle had been working there. So that's why she's still following up on the story so she eventually is contacted by a survivor and Things start getting weird with experiments in telepathy in different stuff from there. So i won't. I won't spoil the whole thing but Evidently facebook cancelled it after one season but the ten episodes that exist are pretty standalone story. Jessica gould plays the main character so That was that was pretty cool. I like just could deal Other pluses to from battle star galactica were in it which i guess is law. But it's kind of weird that there were two side characters both douala and gaeta. If you guys remember those characters. I did not remind ever seen. I'd never ready to go bounced galactic at this point in my life man. Okay well it's still holds a soft spot in my heart. So we'll tell you what i remember. We don't need to go down that road. But i'll i'll say lime town gets gets a prop for me in general though i will slap a couple weird scenes in early episodes where leah listens to recordings audio of other people and how to phrase this respectively for our podcast pleasures herself master bates rates as a real word is neighborhood. It's a description of an actual thing that people do. That's true but in the context of the show. It is incredibly weird ep. And that way i know why. The scenes exist thematically and fiction. There's very rarely a reason to show masturbation like outside of porn right right right but like hey that's a really weird trope but be like it's not like it's lazy right like unless you're trying to show someone being a creep somehow like and let them they're not alone are showing her being creep. But i just feel like. There's a lot of other ways to do that. That this this made me feel slimy seeing the see it was strange who oak the rest of the show is is very solid. If you want something kind of ominous but not too you know splatter gory so If i like so many things peacock fire. Remember that it exists and we'll check it out that is specifically you want how i stumbled onto this. I sat down like. I want something to watch. I have an open peacock in like two months. Surely there's something. So i specifically went on to find something. Lets me these days. I'm still watching titans on that has been going I finished. He's into the. I like two episodes of season three season. Two is really strong. It gets very strong like it ends up really good like season two. I think as a whole is just a good season. Not like amazing race. Neilly stupid shit. Nfc look look look hiding never clean. The show has been anything but stupid right. But like it's stupid. In a fun way anna. Oh my god please stop. This is like terrible way. Yes somewhat returning to its roots in the third season. Which is i have not currently caught up. I don't know i do this. I need a break from from. I will give you a spoilers for the third season but from just sort of like what season the direction it goes and how consistently refuses to get batman right it gets so close now like the second season ends with this like wow. I think they finally understand night. Wing it batmans relationship. It's like okay cool. And then the third season throws all go out the window. The first two episodes of the third season or the batman grief porn episodes and holy shit is bad. There's good stuff in the first couple of episodes but really like i love dick in the first couple of episodes like i think what he's doing makes sense. Sure it all makes sense. It's just although much doesn't make sense so it it does the joker jason todd thing in episode one great beginning. Just wait until you find out what that actually is. I don't and then fatman has now killed joker. Apparently oh and like. That's the last thing i saw in everything in between those two worse idle. It's time it's so bad. It's worse than the worst of season one. Like 'cause 'cause giora is the worst batman he's easily. The worst batman cast barbara. I mean yes. But i'm blake inclined to like anyone. They make barbara right. As long as they have barbara remove leeann character. Like much like dick grayson like dickerson. Barbara gordon or two of my very favorite characters. So like as long as you're even close. I'm pretty forgiving. So dick barbara great but like there's so much depressed batmans And i cannot accurately put into words. How bored and tired. I am of depressed. Batman and giora is the least cosmetic matic man to play batman in any in any stop mcmahon. I've seen him and other stuff that i thought he was solid. He's he's a fine actor like he was a bad story. He was good in downton. Abbey as rupert murdoch like. He's a fine actor. He just is not batman like one. He's not even pretending to come up with an american accent. Like it's just it's just and he's just like he's not physical. He's an older dude at this point like he's in good shape as an older dude. But like he's not like retired batman from batman Get up and beyond right. He's supposed to be active. Bruce at the like at least semi peak of his powers. And he just like doesn't strike you as it's we. It's like a really weird decisions. Like what famous male actor could we get to be on our show. And we'll just make him batman like net. Seems to be started there. I mean that's a wary warner brothers. Way to do it is companies stupid and the show is like if you're gonna watch and i recommend season one if you want something dumb and season two if you want something dumb but actually solid fun. Yes if they watch season three bless you season three could cook like i like the star fire stuff season in season three. I just like i. I don't wanna spoil like the direction they go for you erin but like they just make a choice. That i mike. It's just the jason stuff is just so dumb like so incredibly dominant. Then every time you think he couldn't get dumber it does and then like and then it's just like and the dumber dj stuff gets. He's the dumber the dick grayson stuff gets. The barbara stuff gets ended. Just like all spirals from is very specific set of choices they make about how to set jason up as the red hood That's not really a spoiler. Because they reveal it is the first or second episode right. Yeah revealed They're they're not not making him break hood doubt for this just no chance of them not ignoring twenty years of him being dead like much like buck. He's never actually dead in movies or fiction anymore right like whatever bucky shows up and dies in something. You're like well. We got twenty seconds folder. Right like it's the same concept the only person who gets to stay at his been unless he's a scholar whatever he was for like five years in spiderman people forget. He's alive in the nine. I was saying. I did not remember that county. You're not counting clone ban right. I don't even remember how they got rid of him. And peter's parents that the nineties was just a bad air for spiderman. Anyway i mean the second season is very is probably the best that the geoff johns. Tv studio has done for superhero entertainment in a long time. Damn with faint praise with faint. Praise it's good like it. There's a lot of padding particularly The problem is the show really wants to be about dick grayson but it always knows where it wants to go with. And there's not. it's not like a lot. Like the first two seasons are about him coming becoming night wing which is not a storyline issue. Take two seasons not a storyline. That should take more than like so. If you start with him quitting being robin i give you four episodes. Yes right well. Eighteen seventeen episodes so like this is oft cited. But i'm gonna site cliche thing. You remember the beginning of all star superman. Yes the there's like three or four panels that they do rants whole origin in six words. Doomed planet desperate scientists kindly strangers superman and like that picture for each. And it's like thanks. We got super like and like the second. I read it and like i didn't know it was going to be a classic at the time right the second i read it because i picked it up as it came out and i was like thank you. Thank you for spending six issues telling me the same fucking story. Sorry there there goes but the same story again just. I don't need to hear this misery. Don't need to hear the batman origin. I don't need to watch dick in melodrama for two seasons and not. Just be night wing. I just don't need it. I've like and maybe someone does. There's someone like it's a tv show on weird networks that maybe someone is totally like carlos never seen her. she didn't know who night wing was. And then like So nightmare superior so no has a nightmare toy a night when shirt at when he showed up as she was like. Hey that's why. He's over there and i was like yes. It is but like i get what it's for but all it does make my head want to explode. The problem isn't so much like even if they did a whole season about him becoming night wing but it's two seasons right and they keep coming to an emotional. We're like oh this is going to be the moment addict. Becomes night wing. Not this time and people will do things like have conversations like dick. It's the night maybe you should win your way out of this night wing. I mean it's still not as bad as how he comes up with the name on the show which is just like it's the low vote without Just tell he ends up in prison for really stupid reasons. Like always stupid reasons i mean and he they saw riverdale do it so they had to do so. He is in prison with these mexican Immigrants who are imprisoned and they are wanna leave and get back home and tell him the story of this night bird that protects their village and that helps them out and he he reminds them of that hero and inspires. They insist it's not a myth. They insist the best part. Because obviously these people cannot understand. This is clearly a myth. So dick culturally appropriates the identity of night wing from these mexican immigrants which is truly the origin of the term night wing when he culturally appropriate script tonia mythology theralac dead or if she of them better alive door. You just did right off a whole city. Let let me speak with candor. Tender fucking sucks definitely definitely stretches the superman concept to the point. I mean it's fine for silver age right but like they keep bringing it back. It's like guys disa- probably drop this from your body like if you want to do like credit morrison can do a candidate start right but like jeff. John should not try. Done it twice a so once. Richard donner rip either way Prop times so i have. I'm gonna finish because at this point. It's like only if you were episodes. Maybe don't watch over here. we really. it's all right. I think there's like five more episodes in season. Just i'm just gonna suggest maybe watch maybe it's mad in. Drake is a nice either. I mean yeah. I saw is. Is he the random newspaper delivery kid. The dump linkin the dumpling did ads. Just like kay and they're completely clearly set this up as something that man absolutely should not do and i just can't it like it's all just like this is like not the good kind of bad so far but you know what is the good kind of good tell me boy meets world could choice. I've watched all of. I've watched seasons one through most of three at this point Season one is a mess. And it's darling. Because he's so young and he feels like such a kid season. Two is like adjust to high school and like focuses a lot around like the belise and stuff and the believes are delightful and then when they introduced Jonathan charter the like cool teacher. Your motorcycle dude. Yeah he starts. Teaching them books like he does pygmalion as earlier mentioned and then they do pick million as an as an episode and he does like various like different historic like england books and they just become episodes. And it's darling and then we finally got at the beginning of season. Three four to paint. You got together. Korea's voice has changed the show is just the show is just all heart and it's really good and it's got adam scott for like a few episodes and he's got all of the adults got except he's like fourteen years old i think he's like seventeen. Probably s whatever. He is delightfully adams got. He's almost like The devil version of adam scott from from the place and it's just delightful like everything about the shows life all the performances of life the characterization for like everyone like corey and eric are not. Coroner replace corey. Fini and What's his best. Friends named sean. Sean are like everyone. Else's characterization is all over the place own panga changes really it from scene to scene sometimes. Yeah she's just what she's she's whatever she needs to be up. Lagan evaporates thank god. She didn't add to the show. I honestly like the fewer plots with a mom and dad the better to like boy meets world. I don't need momma. Daddy chaperones But like they're fine. They're good sitcom parents but like all the school stuff everything would fini everything with turner everything with the all. The kids is just as far as parents go. The stuff was sean. His dad is really good. Yes that that just happened. He just moved in with a tertre. Okay gotcha at the end of season to season. Three picks up with like them coming to terms with living with each other as the school year has started and feeney hamstring Socks you're young and stupid. Don't do this integrate. It's just great like it's amazingly strong. Sitcom work with very endearing characters. A lot of heart and like surprisingly lessons that are generally like not horrifying which is nice. It's it's been a few years since i re watched but it it held up probably four or five years ago so it might be time to dive in against. It's what i watch. When carl is busy doing other things wait. I'm sorry i just felt that piece of news. I didn't realize that in let felix's live action Adaptation the guy. From harold and kumar. Go to white castle place spike. Yes you john. Show what the what the what the right over. This is the danger zone. Where done i don't know how it's gonna turn out. But in the stills he frigging looks the part. So i wouldn't is acting career has not not overly fond of hotel kemar acting career. I have a feeling that it's going to be wildly successful. I believe so. But i heard on the internet that because phase costume is not sexually explicit and revealing as the original version from the anime that woke mile taken over. And did you know. The internet is for porn. Dang it you went there. And i was. I was almost is right on the tip of my tongue. And you beat me. That's why the infamous report all right. We're just gonna live in danger zone versus. Yeah yeah maybe we should've maybe we really missed are calling by not just calling the podcast the dangerous zone. You can always rename it will. It's your shell and this will be the we've read ended branded before so multiple times. What's up next one of you read the idea of transformers me. -at's that's me I was wanting to flip through comics. Unlimited and see what was around and i was kind of transformers high after being introduced to the card game and really enjoying it so i saw that they had these big idea w transformers collections. And that's sick. The idea w steph right before has been really fun. So yeah so i. I grabbed the idea. W transformers. I thought it was gonna be like an omnibus. You'll see here in the list where i've written that with strike through. This wasn't really what i expected. Even when i read the intro Like letter from the editor type of thing and they were talking about well. You know when we put this collection together. We weren't really sure what order we should do it in. Should we do it. In the order. Chronologically everything happens in. Should we do it. In the order it was published in you know how. How should we sort this out. 'cause a lot of these like one shots and little mini series filled in the gaps and stuff and basically says you know in the end. We decided to do neither of these. Here's the order. We decided on good luck. And i'm like what either of those orders would have made sense and been fine to me. But what did you pick like. Did you just throw darts at a board. What's going on. And then i got into reading i stuck with it for four volumes so far And these are you know collections. Not just regular trade paperbacks So there's a lot in each one though. I haven't stopped to see total issues. I would assume probably a dozen at least each And it's all one shots and like three issue miniseries and stuff filling polling Coherent narrative out of this his tricky. I mean a lot of the individual stories are good but it feels weird to have everything together like this and know that there is some sort of order. There's obviously kind of connective tissue to what's going on but it's also very strange so the transformers rents you're talking about. I believe won aba jillian. What's the name of the Eisner's well. I thought this was that run when i excitedly got into it but i also know w has rebooted a couple times and i think this is made. I didn't stop and check all of the time lines on stuff. But i think maybe this is like maybe their first run before getting into the the really good one that i've read parts of before because some of this definitely does not match things that i remember reading previously like. Oh these characters should not know each other type of stuff. So i tried to read that award winning run whether this that or not and then i realized that like i'm not sure by social disbelief is pretty good but like giant robots that turned into cars. Doing high melodrama is bridge too far. I'm fascinated is the bridge too. That's exactly where i run out of it. Like just shooting at each other and the plot is like there are guys. We're other guys. It's much easier to grasp off. None of this megatonne was right. Business just dumb. I don't care. I can't yes that is my entire transformer thought it's dumb. I don't wanna see it. But if i wanna see it. Please don't try and make have feelings for the robots a now you're pretty doomed for most transformers. Non michael bay movies and really the only giant robot i like is the iron giant rule. Good choice though like don't think any others. Although apparently i'm watching attack on titan sometime soon all of the kids love it and they all wanna talk to me about it for years. Now and i've just been putting it off some just gonna suck it up and watch it move on with life. Just watch the one on netflix. Six nights of sedonia very similar concept better show. I'm gonna have to watch attack on titan because they all want to talk about it. So i just found out that polygon has released a oral history of the new fifty two and is as sharp as possible. So it's so the summed up my alley. Of course it's not as good as you want it to be because his gran mcmillan who like original comics alliance Person i believe they might be them. But it's not a grabs a man graham. See him okay. But at like so. I like grandma but like they're such kid gloves on like as the main source for this video i mean house. You're going to get him on the record here. It's just it's not as i read it. No one had an ice cream social today and the line for it was ridiculous so i was online while he ran around like a maniac for like forty five minutes. I read it while i was doing that and i was just like like all the narration between the people being like. Yeah we thought it was really good for a while is like and then this was too and like it. Just didn't work as well as i wanted to. I was a very excited. I'm gonna have to read this. Because the the headline for being quote. I wish there was a plan and quote. It's just not it's not bad. It's just not gonna be what you want because like the new fifty two was sucks stupid bad. I mean there were in a few pieces of it. They were short. Do you like scott labelle. That's Batman snyder's batman. That's like the main snyder's batman for me. That is one of the higher points snyder's batman. What's john's john. State no didn't down the flash. What john justice league. If you know that if you like the justice league is that was fine. I liked. I liked to free. Who's doing supergirl at the time. I didn't mind that run. It was interesting to see the wild cats people come back like the wild storms. Good like i love wildcats. I think wildcats like the original. Jim lehrer run a super fun. The alad more run is super fund. James robinson has run. That's like awesome like there. Was this wildcats. Yeah while it was saw marsh winning winning back in the new fifty two original. Yeah the original back when it was all like the actual wild storm imprint wildcats was just always a really good book and like store much else. Run is phenomenal. it's how i found ellis and got me back into comics at a point like a lot of that stuff is really the original authors kinda sucked but like as soon as they turned it over. They turned it over to lake. They're weird drunk british friends and like it was just like it was like. Hey look all of a sudden. It's alan moore or warren ellis on these books in it was just great But like and then they brought it back and they were like we don't really have a plan and like it's like it's pretty easy to tell pretty quickly that there's no real plan it's just. They hired way too. Many washed up nineties writers instead of trying new people and it was like hey people that have written comics for twenty years one of revamp these characters like let's revamp them in the exact same way they were before you know what was the truth. Low point of the new fifty two though when it made me stop raiding. dc forever. That many woman having. I love lucy top with their costumes on. I think not as low as the fact that they gave life. Feld a dead shot comic. Did they really. Yeah and it was bad. I hate read it. It was bad it was so bath. There were a lot of really really bad books. That i was excited for everything i liked so everything i liked in the was the first wave cancellations daf. Yeah that that was very likely to happen. Systems at sixty two daughters era of dc. But i go back to jeff johnston. I did actually like his aqua man I did not but you know. What like alabama character. I wish i liked. I think i could theoretically name or is freaking amazing. I read like four or five. Different allemand runs and they all want him to be cool so bad that i don't like them i just i think that's part of why i like the jeff johnson. It kind of nodded at that and then like didn't waste time. I felt making him like cool. I felt like he was constantly like. Isn't he bad ass. Look like i mean john john rating well. I mean there was. There was a some of the like initial like. Oh you know. He's a joke. Character and aquaman is basically like. Yeah you know everybody frigging forgets that. I'm just barely less strong than superman. But like don't don't like that wasn't subtexts. that was text. i'm not. He's not supposed to be a joke. In the universe rightly it's just told them to me. I hate that like just like the joke is meta and they're like let's make text. Just thanks. jeff. That's that that's kind of my entire. Take on gyp jones's career. Thanks jeff. i liked. I liked to say like a lot of these stuff. I mean. yeah he did. I mean like early career geoff. Johns is perfectly fine. He was a mediocre successor. Tomorrow the mark waiting tradition of superheroes Exact he was a perfectly capable redder. I wait isn't like wait waiting. John's have you could see mark. Wade's influence on john's they have similar. Tech's away lacks. John's is over. Necessarily they have way doesn't need to yell at you that his characters are bad as every for dessert. no no that's his. That's his shtick for johnson's solo. Yes needed sometimes. He doesn't at all. No wade explains to you sometimes in really minute detail. How bad ass is characters are with many different thought captions fat. How bad as they are. All right. an-and. John's is just constantly yelling at you of a help as they are or how serious what he's doing is and yeah. Yeah okay going in a different tack than i did. Just remember one or the other heinous mistakes of the new fifty two. If i'm remembering this timeline properly didn't the new fifty to kill gail simone secret. Six comic killed everything that was going on right. I just wanted to make it. Not ninety four did though like they took it basically out of continuity and it only ran. What like three or four more issues before shoehorned into its own little corner and did mess. It made it really difficult for morrison to stick the landing that they planned. That's fair. i still love that run which is good. Yeah but i think it's impossible to think more morrison's my favorite compaq writer ever because it can't be ellis anymore. That's true. I think i think that. What more clan. What they planned could not be executed the way they want it like in the new fifty two. I think it's arguable. If you read those later issues that it does not throw them off and you know like i mean similar to how they left x. Men they wanted to leave batman on a fundamental transform the character which they kind of do but dc also at the same time just on that with the new status quo that they gave scott snyder so it just kinda took the wind out of the sales of all of that stuff. At least that was how i experience at the time. But it's been too long for me to have a strong memory. Just remember that. Both morrison's batman quarter vowels was the thing that was happening anyway so morrison's batman quarter vowels and Which i was very excited for him than very disappointed. In and The green lantern stuff went on at mostly untouched. 'cause green lantern was coming off their big like we resurrected held jordan blackest night look green greenland was the most successful. Not batman. dc book asked you but also grant. John's was able to protect what he built in and like. Do let him run the green lantern corner of the of dc. For what like a decade probably lake. And while that was not for me it sure did so. Well people i love. I enjoy the rebuilding. That with everything else was a mess. But i i really i really hate. How like my problem with. Hal is that hal is a super villain grumbling ideas so yeah no but like even. When he came back to life he was just a douche right. He's clearly a bad guy who they had do heroic things because he had the right color rincon. He's not as bad guy right. he's worse than guy right. like he's hal is consciously. He's so arrogant and shitty. All the time. I read morrison's green lincoln eighty-three interpreted jordan. Betcha would like it. But now i i've met a point where like i probably won't read anything. Dc because if not reading nightly Which has been good here. I'm not reading it to the trade comes out next month. I've tried desperately to find the issues but they're like hard to find in mark dad price so blake heard. That's excellent nights. My favorite right. I just don't really want to reduce the in if i read. Abc it's not gonna be frigging berry stupid ass allen. The most boring man on earth horse super villain hal jordan who for some reason berries. Our right now really route. They brought Nudity wally back as let me just suggest that linda and the twins i think they brought them back to also. How do you have any faith that this will last mean wally wally right like just six months ago. Seven what they had a whole murder thing right. Yeah where he home Long story short is that he clubs so sad by The only person who remembers the pre fifty two world than no and his family that he accidentally blows up the superhero rehabilitation center in kills a bunch of people. Oh that was like a year ago. Maybe i do remember that. That was atrocious. Read like three so that they immediately read condit like there was the ret conned the fact that it was an accident because i could've sworn straight up the villain at first. Well he. He was an accident what happened but he villainously like hit. It hit it. That was the that was the he set up. Like harlequin is like and some other villainous like possibly done it. Or whatever. But i just i think the dc comics movies is run by idiots. So i can't support them. Because i don't believe that anything they do right is going to last for more than like forty five seconds like it's just they make Like like marvel's perfect right but marvel at least gives you a good self contained book and then ends it. Dc is like we're going to end it by making your favorite characters from this murderer's and then we're going to throw in a rape scene. Could why not and the sisley. That's even indentity crisis. Has exactly what. I'm referencing yet. But like it's just a hate you hate you. Dc a heat you. I wanna like you so much. It's like all my favorite characters addictions ruined over and over again but life is strange. I see aaron's true colors now. Running through your into the new life is strange. So maybe i will let roy start okay. So life is strange is the third. Well this is the third main line their main line if you count. It doesn't have one of the numbers because they leaving it up for the original creators to come back and do a life is strange three if they want. But it's the third full like strange game although it is the shortest including beyond the storm or before the storm rather weird it is a venture game That is focused on the story of a young woman named alex who is separated from her brother when they were adolescence and has a very troubled us in portland but her brother finds her and censor to a Stars hollow like town that he lives in in in in colorado and it follows her adventures of being in the town rebuilding her relationship with her brother. And you know romantic drama. There's very well fleshed out. Love interest some that you can do and one of things really nice about it is. There's both straight and queer romances and they're both valid options with really good characterization which is not very common In these kind of games. You know like famously ridge. Life is strange lake. You know the the male love interest was like really bad and people did not like him and in life strange to the mail. The gay romance guy was kind of adak and like not not not well loved by the phantom while the female love interest was Is pretty beloved while done. So the fact that they succeeded for the first time in a life is strange game to actually like make to compelling romances in a game that so based on characterization is good job deck nine. I'm really enjoying it. I'm halfway through the game just last night. I beat the second chapter. I'm really enjoyed it. Great life is strange game. I really love the characters i would say. It's probably my second favorite but just simply because like nothing will be as like life video game experience changing as the original life is strange even if i think that the characterization is sharper in collars particularly from the go and it's also cleared that they have a plan and because it's like the strange games which are interested Which were released episodically and the problem with these telltale style upside of games is they freely like we'll have a plan in episode one of production shortfalls or things changing over the course of the six months of the year that they make that they actually finished the game. They end up changing the plan. So stuff doesn't always add up in a coherent way i mean. Telltale games are pretty infamous for this Particularly some of the later walking dead games where they'll be a trailer for the next episode at has very little to do with ex-laker in a lot of wrong that studio so let's Strange one suffered from that to And the cost was all released at once. There's much more coherency and continuity and it just feels like okay. I i watched i did watch. I experienced the first part which led me into the second part which may the third part I will say i mean. I don't want to for people who haven't played. There's a big twist at the end of the first one even if it's kind of obvious something's going to happen. The alan i were joking the entire time about what bad thing is gonna happen. What bad thing. That's kind of how these games operate to these operate. But so i don't wanna ruin because it is you know a a an important experience And is a bit of a fake out of like what the bad thing is. That's going to happen in this. It's very enjoyable. If you enjoy those kind of games there's literally no reason to not to play it or not playing. Excuse me. Except i wanna slot. I want a hard prophets amazing. I really hope that deck nine gets to make another life strange game. I really hope. I absolutely love it. the textures. On the playstation four version are so laughably terrible like oh so bad it's like as bad if worse than cyberpunk on playstation four oleg eared. They're so bad you can tell that they will be good if i had a. ps five. Or if i had done it on my computer it's so bad like the motion capturing is really good but like it's so blurry it's just bad like they did not optimize the game for the for the previous interesting. Yeah because i plan on series acts. And i definitely thought while playing like oh. Wow they've actually upgraded the engine like i kind of figured them to just coast on that same one for another couple of years. Yup so Roy did hit a lot of the celia parts here I'm one chapter ahead of him. In the game i just wrapped up to three last night. so a couple of things i want to mention Like roy i agree. This is probably my second favorite of these games followed by the first And i'm i'm even gonna lump in stuff like Tell me why which really should have just had the life. Strange title It's the same sort of a magical pacific northwest vibe. But he's not the pacific northwest even if they earn all strictly. The i mean this one is in colorado. But it's still that same vibe. Tell me was in alaska. But it was that same vibe but regardless Trying to the phrases number one. I think was very interesting. In the use of max's. Power to rewind time and the way that actually worked into some of the puzzles and that sorta thing And not all of the other games had that type of mechanical hook which admittedly is is hard to do Without repeating yourself But i do like how true colors is handling it If you're familiar with these games all the main characters or i suppose in the case of life is strange to Little brother all have some sort of power rewinding time or telekinesis or shared memories. Whatever so alex can kind of see auras that relate to people's feelings and potentially experience those feelings herself and that sort of thing and So the game is not as integrated gameplay wise as the first one. But i do like that. They are playing around a little bit more With her powers being part of the game play seen Things from other people's perspective and and this is will lead into some very minor spoilers for episode three. So i apologize roy about me but you'll you'll definitely no because it's been brought up multiple times in the first two chapters that there's a lar- coming up. The steph is organizing. Yes and almost the entirety of chapter three. is that lark. That seems obvious yet. That's all you have assumed it was going to happen. Yeah and so two things in that lark like pretty much just made my jaw drop and just a silly grin spread across my face while playing this game and so one relates to her powers. When does not. And i'm going to start with the not because you get into this game within a game. Where one of the characters has set up kind of a renaissance festival esque experience for this little located in the game and You start to go exploring and suddenly someone jumps out in a wolf mask and your character. Alex visco now you know we're being attacked by a wolf or whatever and then the game shifts perspective suddenly normally this is kind of you know three quarters over your shoulder kind of thing and it suddenly shifts out to like a jr pg battle scene. That's cool yeah. This is the part that i thought would like suddenly the these kind of like wrote adventure games i mean. Don't get me wrong. I love them but like they play the same way. All the time suddenly becomes a j rpg for a chapter wait. What and i like the grin on my face. As i heard like this battle music and stuff and realized was i was literally going to choose like attacks and spells and have to keep track of their. Hp stuff of that was. That was such a great feeling such a great feeling and seems awesome. I would love to play that. But i don't wanna play the rest of the game. It's fair It because it's a large. You're just you're a girl with a silly hat on. Who's carrying her guitar around. Because she's playing a bard and otherwise like regular clothes you can play as allah and and the the kid that you're with is wearing like a plastic helmet and carrying one of those foam swords. You see a gen con and that sort of thing. But you're you're playing. The will the thing that connects to her powers. That made me kind of ajayi drop in dislike glee again. Is you get to the boss. Fight at the end of the alarm and because of the things that are happening. You you're using alex's powers to see things and you know see the joy the kid is experiencing which is cool And alex winds up taking her powers to a new level a new depth that she hadn't before you literally get to see the world through the kids is so the it goes from being people in like a park in this town wearing normal clothes with silly hats to begin a fantasy like j. rpg and things like all the graphics suddenly changed to a fantasy game. And like here's your suddenly now seeing actual spell effects instead of people just naming you know the thing they're doing and all this stuff and it was so cool. I like using very cool. Yeah just i did not expect them to change gears like that and even though it didn't have An impact on how. I was mechanically playing the game. The way they represented. Alex power was integrated so much better than some of the other stuff. That i really loved it so at the moment i highly life. Strange true colors. It's quite excellent. I would definitely give like an a minus right now so for the best of these adventure games. I've played a while. I don't think i like adventure games. Which makes me said. They are definitely not for everybody there. There's neither the lack quick twitch reaction gratification the a lot of folks like nor is there the like strategic depth. And planning that other folks like All right so there's a new set of magic out and Everyone's playing the exact same deck. It took literally a day to identify with the best deck was and not doing anything else. I played like eighty five percent of Games against blue black and like they say magic supposed be self-correcting draft but dr drafts. Thank you is supposed to be self-correcting but that has not been my experience. It took three years of the format last format where blue black was by most red black was by most acclamation or of the best draft dex ever in comparison to the format after three quarters of the format. If not longer you could still just force it whenever you wanted. I have no faith at. That's not be the case for For estrada and like magic. Please get it together. I guess is basically what i want to say here. Like every set being like having a clearly easily identified best deck that then you can get into so easily is really disappointing. So with what's that dak it's black blue. Black is like far away. The best stack editing net. Was i mean that was not the case for the dnc said but it wasn't. I mean strict haven had a talk about less set in this I know. But that's what i'm saying is dave dave. Purdue is since you've been playing you started playing with l. drain right so that's drain korea Core twenty twenty one. Zenda car called hyme as strict haven. Dnd so you've been here for nine. Sets at two of those sets have had like easily identifiable best exit. Probably more than two but to define. I think the problem is like a corey. Also had one for example but corrie is the the meta did self-correct. Right like yeah. You sometimes just lost two people with like two zena flares but like you could a by the time that made settled out. There were multiple decks. That could win the format right. That's what's supposed to happen right. But i think for the last. I mean literally. This is only been out for five days so like i'm like aaron. I'm not as like pessimistic. Because again it's been out for five days like just coming out in the lower tiers with me and i don't know blue-green wider something green like all the other decks are fine like so like the part is the other decks are fine. It's just if black good. It feels like every card they play is worth two to three cards and blue white can kind of do that and everything else's just playing magic right like I think it's definitely the case that They underappreciated how powerful decayed zombie. Tokens were I think that they thought that a lot of effects were not powerful enough and and so they slapped a decayed zombie. Took it on it. And they felt that they needed like they thought that decayed zombies was going to be glue rather than a engine right like it's like its own engine that powers the thing to make it buffalo rather than it's the only thing that makes it work right which i maybe at some point in their play testing was like that but watching the game play out and experiencing them. It's not the case it's just. It creates this sort of like snow. Bali engine that is very easy for the blue. You know the blue black player to get ahead particularly because the synergies between blue and black are so tight as well. But i mean i mean. It's quite possible though like that. There is an agro dak in this format because the deck can be dirt early sometimes payment so the thing is no like it can also just get ahead and like if you fall behind it. All because the tokens console. Just hit you right and they can just take like. I played it a couple times like my successful magic with it in this format was that deck and like yes. It wins by literally It wins sometimes like it just gets ahead like the problem is that they were worried. That these damn things couldn't block and so they gave him so many other applications. So that it lets you play the best agro and the best control game like it's just a and then like even if that does get solved a better get solvent such way that people really fight for blue. Because i don't think like. I think plu hate is damn near as good and blade is not as good as black Blue but it's still playing a game on a totally different access. Access than what regular magic is when all of your cards or two for ones like and other decks are like i have a card right like it's so easy to win. It's just. I think that this is very strange design. They have very little faith in the magic community to figure out to figure out how to not make shitty all the time and like i'll come back and check from time to time and hopefully someone will be able to tell me that k. Guess what. It's not just the same thing anymore. And i will be very happy. But until that's the case. Severe disappointment is the rule in this format. Like black bread. Green is an attack like red seems to just not exist in the format. Green is only okay with like it's okay with white maybe good with blue right like the black green black not according to the stats apparently I don't know. I did not spend a lot of time on it because i was so frustrated. Like the two best decks are very clearly blue black and blue and like if you get a bomber in either you just kinda win right and like you can force them because people refuse to draft properly all makes me very good so f- thus far to the set hopefully score will change but as of now i think this is a failure. And maybe the failures in the magic community for not properly Moving from where they drafted before. And hopefully that's not the case and it's just early in the format but i don't have a lot of faith in this. The meditating and yeah that's Benign not go are less topic is lay the spire. I've talked about this before. But hey there's three floors enslave aspire. You can beat them pretty fairly regularly. Yes then there's a fourth floor which is just like A fire a shop a mini boss and then the final boss if complete some stuff I'm finally able to one every three or four runs. Beat that boss. I beat it pretty with The silent the poison and dagger base character. Who's my best character. I can beat it with ironclad A little less consistently. It's a little more dependent. On what i see and i finally beat it for first time with defect in that bother playing with the enlightened one or whatever his name is i don't like the characters play patterns on all but yeah i can beat the like actually beat the game even if i can't beat the Which recall the like. I haven't bothered to try and plant higher sentence because the still challenging enough for casual play but the game is awesome. And if you haven't played a senate and you have any interest in card games you should really play like it's infinitely deep. 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Game of Thrones Re-Watch | Season 7, Ep #5: Eastwatch

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Game of Thrones Re-Watch | Season 7, Ep #5: Eastwatch

"Winter was here. But we are just getting started on the game of thrones or rewatch of season seven episode five east-west. And now here the two guys who are all hopped up on ferment. It crab. I am rob cicirino here with Josh Wigley. Josh our you turned on. I can't even hide it. I am just ready to go. Hours. You don't need to head on over to your favorite establishment before we get into talking about the fifth episode of season seven, it's hammer. 'time BB war hammer time as Gandhari aka Clovis is back after a long yada. And a lot of peace moving around setting up. Our big caper coming up next week as we are going to go hunting for a Walker white Walker. Yeah. White indeed. And we should say two weeks from now programming note for the people who are listening to this live. We won't be back next week. We're gonna take a quick week off. And we'll be back in two weeks. So heck of a cliffhanger to leave people on here with east watches. We are embarking beyond the wall with the east watch seven. Yeah. The east watch seven it's. It's all picking up as we are now really closing in. Is it going to be about one month till? Drop day for game of thrones. It's close it's really quite. It's March twelfth as we are recording. This probably March thirteenth as this podcast is dropping and game of thrones. Final season premier is April fourteenth. So Russian up to meet us here, we are getting dangerously close to the end of the line about ten weeks away from being all done with game of thrones K anything from the news with game of thrones this week Mercifully nothing so far Mercifully nothing. So far. I'm just chipping away at my final path predictions. Just posted are Sam well Harley final path on Sunday. Got the on grey joy coming up here. Coming up next on on final path T H R dot com slash game of thrones the struggling a little bit with the theon one to be candid just not much to say. Like, there's there's always a section for unresolved mystery for these characters, and I don't really know what the unresolved mystery is with Dion is. He is he going to be like a real guy, and like, you know, save his sister's you're going to continue to be scared of everything or what what's going to happen. I think that there's any real mystery to unlock with John so open to suggestions. If you have it. Didn't you one point theorize? He was going to castle black. Yeah. I guess that's on there. Maybe Nightwatch going to exist after the final season the game of thrones. I feel like some version of it ought to have everyone's lucky enough to survive. I think the Nightwatch deserves what are they doing? I mean, if they defeat the night Shing and his army sure that that stays the case Brad is no Wild Wings. The wall comes down. Like, what are they going to rebuild the wall? They all up litter. They really just have to rebuild part of the wall. Frankly, you know, we'll see in a couple of episodes from now and we get to the season seven for now. It's a big hole in the wall. But it's not the whole wall the walls still there. They just they got to repair some of it. I don't know. I don't think theon is gonna make it out of this thing alive as my current probably a hero's trying this. Yeah. And he's going to neurons going to do the thing and the on's going to feel like he he accomplished something. Then he's going to die in. That'll be that we talked about last week. I liked it. When you're on was doing like a theon impression. Oh, so scared. Yard. Did you see that? When your brother was like being a little baby. God you're onto the worst. So let's get into this episode, which there was a big cliffhanger last week. I don't know if you remember it looked like Jamie laster, my drown eight did look like Jamie, Lancaster, might drown. He was in a bad way. He was he was sinking to the bottom of the lake pretty quickly very quickly. He looked like he was about the, you know, hit the bottom of the lake, but no he was fine. Bronze right out. Yeah. What's these cliff hangers that are just resolved? So neatly. Yeah. So so Jamie system Braun. Hey you coulda killed me. Yeah. And bronze like, no, you know, you could've killed yourself. And that would have been really bad for me. You try to fight a dragon bronze logic. There of like, it would have been worth me getting incinerated by dragon fire because the whole past several years would have been literally for nothing, and I may as well just be incinerated. You have to give me all the money that I am. He also says dragons, that's it like if if you're still going after the dragon Queen I'm out I'm not going to let this be a problem I've dealt with a lot. But I'm not doing dragons. That's where the deal ends. Right. And you're not getting killed by a dragon only, I get to kill you. That's the you me. You don't get get the easy way out of getting a into burn you alive with fire. So let's go tell, sir. See the jig is up the jig up. That's the that's the over. There's there's nothing more to fight here. So that's bronze deal. That's the that's the that's the picci's making sewing, Jamie. If you have to go and deal with sir c and tell her that the war's over you may as well just want to jump back. Okay. So we Tyrian walking around through the ash of the burned Lancaster forces. This is a tough thing for Tyrian to have to the destruction. On the battlefield that. He helped preside over. Yeah. It's like it's post in Finnity war, and he's walking through the ashes of all these people who've been snapped out of existence very dramatic as he is seeing all these dead bodies that are totally fried and deniro kinda just presiding over everybody like the war Queen that she is in this moment. And I think for the first time Tyrian, maybe not feeling like remarkably great about backing deniro's. So Danny is going to hold court over all of the captured Lancaster and high guard forces that are out there or Charlie forces. Are they are they are high guard voices or their old Darrell defeated the rebellion forces done? Yeah. Yeah. The people of the reach the verge on high garden people, but also the Lancasters for sure. Yeah. And so is like look, I know what you heard about me, not some monster. That's gonna come in. You know, burn everybody alive and destroy your cities had to do this. He thing right here. But you know, like, just bend the knee. And they'll be no more of this. Not everyone is down to bend the knee Randall and dick on have no interest. Yeah. And so you you in the front step forward. Randall Charlie says, I already got a Queen. What's your Queen got to do with me? You know, I gotta Queen and Randall Tara Lee at this point he needed some arm twisting to turn on lady Alanna, and yet it is literally facing down the barrel of dragon gun, and he is not willing to turn on seriously Lantis. I don't know if that speaks towards Randall's stubbornness or deniro lack of ability to close the deal hard hard to tell exactly what's going on here or Tyrian for that matter not being able to convince either of these people to back down. I think everybody on the board. Here is just remarkably stubborn and Tyrian is just fairly ineffective in this moment. I picked up on a little tinge of the Zina phobia from Randall tar lead that like the Iraqi savage is being brought here in two zero proper. So a hat got knocked off on the battlefield somewhere. Right. So maybe. If it was just a denarius targe Aryan, and we didn't have everything going on with the rocky and even unsullied than maybe could change. But you know, he's going to stick with the people that were from west rose, western I. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's that's unfortunate. And so they're talking about maybe he could take the black Tyrians trying to talk are out of what she is planning right here. Yeah. But then Randall tar like, I'm not taking the black and tears just bark. So he's not even gonna take the lifeline here. The narrow is not going to imprison people. She is we, you know, various track record is anti chains. Does not want to see anyone in chain. So she'll just incinerate the guy. Yeah. And then dick onto what about me. You're gonna have to kill me. If you kill my dad and random like, Nope. Yeah. Dick, dick on this move. From Charlie is about as dumb as the entire first season of the umbrella academy. It's just a very bad choice all around and tearing this is bad. This is a bad idea. This is a bad idea. And they say, no, no, it's gonna do. Yeah. Ran eventually kind of relents because he doesn't really have a choice narrow is. She means when she says, she at the very we she's not going to be head. Anybody turns like, listen if you start beheading entire families. It's like, oh, no. Who said anything about beheading anyone burn them alive? She's gonna burn them alive. Dragon fire. Yup. And so. Drogue on has like amazing like pinpoint accuracy that deniro's could just say truecar's, and like he knows like immediately who oh like like he didn't accident Li like go after the whole like all the prisoners or anything like that. He knew. Yeah. Yeah. I mean drogue gun into narrow variants think these days, I think that they're they're connected. They're bonded drogue on knows what to narrow wants and he acts, according even point to them. It's just like boy, that's a well-trained dragging very well trained dragon. Yes. That's a wrap for Randall in dick on tar Lee and still to be determined. How Sam while we is gonna react all of this talk about it a little bit in this episode of the gar whose brother and dad got burned to bits, but Sam himself as not discovered this news and in the final season. You got imagine. He's gonna find out pretty quickly when he meets it winter fell curious to see how that's going to play out. No love lost between him and his father. But this might be a little early and while a sad ending for Randall in dick onto arly all of the captured Lancaster's soldiers immediately been the knee to Queen diverse. I mean, it's affected in the moment. But you do wonder like how effective will it be long-term? How effective is it going to be in the grand scheme of things if this is the way that the Narus plans to rule I think we should take note of Tyrians concern, if Tyrian add a lot of times is. Is like an avatar for us. Right. Where you know, he's supposed to be the level headed guy in the room. If he's concerned about this. I thought we should be concerned as well. Right. And you know in hindsight for Randall in dick on Tardelli like we don't think that the Lancaster soldiers are fighting for Dinares now. Right. I think that these people are probably now part of the crew would I would expect to do. She's army the land who's gonna fight against whatever sell swords brings in and they're gonna fight for deniro's law. I think that whatever is left. I think that the people on the battlefield here are probably now part of the tar Gary unfold how otherwise they're all dead. Like, they're not just getting released. They're not just getting sent and drove under leave. Yeah. They have. I mean, they have to found some way to enforce this. That's ridiculous. If they haven't it doesn't matter if the Lancaster army is torched or not because it's the golden. Is on its way. And that's going to be the thing to fear that still Lancaster army be interesting to see if we see these like, Lancaster red cloaks out there who they're fighting for and Sharon. Yeah. Noah syndergaard. You don't think had shearing torch to you? Now. He's fine. Okay. All right. Jamie is going to come back home. And that he is going to give the report to sir c. Yeah. They lost a lot of men not a full accounting yet. They've got a lot of money, which is good. But Jamie is trying to tell Sirsi listen. I just saw that go down the doth rocky or insane. And they've got dragons jammed the gigantic ask crossbow that you built. It's nice didn't work not enough. Not enough. So we probably can't do this, sir. C and seriously saying, well, what's the alternative, Lancaster? You killed her dad, and I'm terrible. Like, we're not going to be allowed to live. We if we've been to the knee here. So certainly says well, it doesn't matter. We got gold. We'll get some mercenaries with the iron Bank. That'll be that'll help. And Jamie is no you don't get it. You don't get that. She has a trag in we are out gunned here and. Source. He's like, no, you don't get it. Yeah. Maybe you could get our brother to he's being kind of mocking in tone. And maybe he could be a makeup for killing our son, and our father Jamie says, no, no, he didn't vigneault. You saw the crossbow. He didn't kill Joffrey. It was a lenna. She just told me answers like oh, cool. And you just like really peacefully poisoned her to death. That's very sweet of you. She killed our son and you just like euthanized. Her right? Yeah. And then Jamie able to convince a pretty quickly. She's like, no. It wasn't hardly. No, no, listen to this. Like, if you were lenna, wouldn't you when you want Marjorie married to Thomas and notch offer who was a real peo- s like, right? That makes sense, right? Yeah. I guess so. They quickly get off the subject. Yeah. Because the more important thing is like we're gonna die here. If we don't be your something out were toast. So we got a bigger something out. Yeah. So don't worry about a lenna. She's dead. And we don't find a way out of this war. We will follow them to death, and sir. See I think we get a really concise worldview here from Sarah say, she says, okay? So our options are we fight and die or we submit in die. I know my choice a soldier should know his. So if we're going to die, you the way why are we giving up? Yeah. Well, you know, she's she's the one who has the the line of the series. Frankly, you know, when you play the game of thrones you win or you die. There is no middle ground. So if winning is off the table, then it sounds like they're going to die. And if they're gonna die do you dive just resignation or do you die still trying to fight to win? She wants to fight to win. Yeah. Okay. So make sense makes sense. Okay. We see Danny return back to dragon stone, and John snow is going to get buzzed by drogue on landing in front of him and John snow. Little startled at first. But he is going to reach out and pet progun gone on the nose and drug on seems to like, yeah. Literally on the nose letting us know that Jon snow is a target area. He's got he's got the dragon blood coursing through his veins here. Yeah. And so Jon compliments her dragons. And she says that they are not beasts as John snow said there are her children. And we get the update and he says, well, I have less enemies than I did yesterday. It was pretty cool. You should see. There's a lot of fire now is kind of scary. But everything else is pretty good. Yeah. And they almost get into the, hey, remember windows said that you got a knife through the chest. What was what was that all about jazz? I don't listen to him. He gets very he gets carried away, sir, visitor like, okay? It's giora. Jawara's back. That's right jor more month. Freshly cured of grey scale. He's got like Jack Nicholson in the shining hair going on in this moment. Windy dragon stone this Gary windy, very windy. He looks like he has spent a fortnight at the overlook hotel is kneeling before denarius ready to to return to her service. And she gives him a big hug, so she's she's fairly. Fearless. Meanwhile, back at winter fell. We're going to see a brand sending out some are ravens on a scouting mission sends them over the wall. They find the night king. And they are scared. Yeah. You know, it is not impossible that when the three eyed raven once told brand stark, he said, you will never walk again, Brandon, but you will fly the flight is this him flying this count. Maybe so. Underwhelming. It will be very underwhelming. If this is all the flying that brand stark does and he doesn't work into a dragon. If that doesn't happen. It's going to be very very very frustrating like technically three eyed raven will have been right don't even put this thought out into the just have to you have to consider it as a possibility going back through this season. I'm really enjoying season. Seven of game of thrones. I'm having a really fun time. Rewatch ING and rewatching again having binged watching it again in such short order and inept sewed by episode order. I feel very good about where we are heading into the final six episodes brand start working into a dragon would be the center of my bingo board. But if they really wanna screw us over they could just say, yeah. Well, he flew in the ravens that happens does not count. You should make the game of thrones. Bingo board. Bingo, boy, the graphic design skills to do it. But if someone wants to team up with me reach out. Okay. All right. So we go to the citadel and see the Maistre 's got some some hot gossip coming in. Josh that we are hearing about like this one from may stir Walkin who's this go what a hack he is something about a boy saw ravens and the army of the dead beyond the wall. Probably fake news fake, news and deed and Sam is nearby. And he's he's overhearing all of this. And here's the description of the quote, unquote, crippled boy who has seen dead men on the March beyond the wall. And Sam knows who that is that's brand stark he understands and he believes if brand stark is telling us that the Nike is on the March, we need to hear what he has to say and the Mazars. All look at Sam and burst out laughing because they think he's an idiot. You are an idiot, and you need to keep doing more of this meaningless work, and Sam doesn't really have sort of like, a Daniel son, and Mr. Miyagi relationship with the Maistre it's not like displaying waxing on and off for a long time in the first episode, right? Like, there is no plan here in terms of what the Maistre are teaching Sam as far as I can tell the may have no plan at all. Like, they're they're move is to do nothing. That's their move. Yeah. All right. So Sam ultimately going to storm out and the Maistre is talk about how like, oh, that's the poor guy that his dad and his brother got burned by the dragon's, right? Yeah. Don't tell them that. Yeah. Really rough stuff. Okay. All right. Varis interior are going to talk about some of this trepidation Tyrian is feeling and there's not a loving it. Either about seen this before from Gary and ruler. Yeah. Yeah. He's been here before. I also have Barry starts drinking with Tyrian. I don't think we don't really see various drinking much. I imagine that like he's a lightweight here. Majid him getting pretty instantly rocked. He's talking to cheer in his leg. I'm target is this this is there is no good job. Can't trust her I drunk western history would be fun. Some version of that has to exist already. I think so I think some of YouTube search so. Tyrian tells are doing did not her father embarrass gives them reassures him. Like, no, she won't be now with right counsel to make her listen to you. If you're if you're here, if you're listening, if she's listening to you, I feel good about about the future of west coast. But if she's not taking your advice, then we're we're in a little bit of a bad way seems to be the subtext we find out that various drinking because apparently there's very bad news for the king in the north and Varis is not a fan of what's in what's whatever's in the letter here, but we're gonna find out pretty quickly. What's in there? Okay. So we're going to be in the war room. And we have the update that same one that the Maistre seem to have gotten about how the army of the dead is marching towards each swatch. Yeah. It's a little bit of a more personalized note. Because John is also getting news that not only is brand alive. Aria? Is back in winter Velez. Well. Out that. Yes, john. I need to go home. I gotta go home. He's did you just get here. Very scared of what's going on back there. The the plan quickly becomes. Well, maybe like we could get everybody to stop fighting this war if we can get everybody to believe that the white walkers are real and Tyrian is talking about his sister. Maybe we can convince her that this is a real thing. But how could we do that? Got capture as ambi-, bro. Yeah. This isn't get more pushback in the room. Everybody seems to have gotten on board with this pretty quickly. Pretty quiet everything that's happening dragonstar, and it's happening fairly swiftly. Unless you want to believe that this has been, you know, they've all been hanging out for a few weeks, which I'm fine with I like that. I think like after a few weeks of hearing John snow saying say the same stuff over and over and over again, you know, some of the details, he's probably giving them. I think eventually you come to believe like these guys are not liars. Maybe a little dumb a little daft these northerners, but they are not liars. They're honest people. So after a while, someone is smartest. Narration the council that she keeps eventually these people like oh, man. I think I think they're probably right about the water thing. We've probably gotta deal with that. Do we ever get Varis? Come to Jesus moment with the white walkers and the night king sort of like another character in the story who detests all things magic seems that he might be a little bit more of a skeptic about this. Not yet as far as I can tell. I mean, he seemingly on board with everything going on here. He's entertaining everything he's talking about how you know. You're going to you're going to try and convince sir see about all of this. Like, I think it's a mistake. But I mean, he's playing out the scenarios. I think bears is going to find out for sure that this is legit soon enough. So okay. So I mean, he obviously has an understanding that magic is out there in the world. So he's not one of these skeptics that thinks that there's no such thing as sorcerers. I guess he's seen it all already. So this isn't the hardest thing in the world for him to imagine. So I think so we'll bring a white Walker back. And then we also have to make sure that he's going to grant us an audience and not murderer us the moment that she shows. How could we do this Tyrian will take care of that? He'll take care of that. Megan if he can get into king's landing, we we finally we've got some use of the onion. Knight yield smuggler. He's got some tricks. Yes. Davos is a smuggler he can smuggle Tyrian in. But he's not a fighter. They run into any trouble from the gold cloaks that's going to be. I love how often Davos has to remind. I'm not much about fighter. He really doesn't want opening tips. Yeah. So my father has the worst handshake of anyone I've ever encountered in my life. It is really horrible. It's like, it's like shaking dead fish. It's terrible. It's cold. It's clammy. It's week. It's awful and after years of weathering it and just like feeling terrible about it. I finally confronted him on said, why do you have such a bad handshake? You have to know your handshake is awful. And he said it's because he doesn't want anybody to expect anything from him. They want people to not have to expect anything. If you have a terrible handshake knowing expects anything from you know, one's going to depend on you. He wants to keep people's expectations very low, and I feel like 'Davis talking about how he's not a fighter and saying it with repetition is similar whereas like don't expect anything for me because we're going to be very surprised in the instances where does have to fight much as with the battle the. Where he was totally serviceable and fine. So you gotta get those expectations low dead fish handshake style. Well, that's a great story. Yeah. Yeah. So Davos is going to smuggling Tyrian that's gonna be the move. We're also going to get Giora is going to go north of the wall. He'll go do that. Hey, I have nothing else to do. I haven't even unpacked yet. I'm ready to go. Yeah. Really giora. And he's okay. He's up for it. And the free folk will help us too. So that's good. They won't follow, sir. Giora and John's won't have to and John snow is going to go to Johnson Johnson on the plan. He's going to lead the charge north of the wall to find a white and Dabo's doesn't like this plan. John's but king in the north is not a Knight's watchmen anymore. He can't just be going willy nilly beyond the wall. But he is gonna do it. Because this is the right thing. You knows how to fight him. He's the only one who does. And he's got business to attend to not benching Danny is not thrilled. I haven't given you permission to leave and Johnson. I'm not asking. I don't need you position on the king. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. On really buying his own height. Pretty quickly. Yes. Okay. So he's leaving. He's off. He's going to do it. And that's the that's the plan. I mean, I do like his whole sales pitch put my trusted you. You're strange. I knew it was the best chance right people. Please trust a stranger in return. And she's like hard to fault that logic. That makes sense. Yeah. Another angry city council meeting going on at winter fell. Yeah. Yon Roy's whatever reason. Yeah. They're complaining about why did the king in the north leave us. We just made him king in the north. Yeah. Seems to be in on Santa Santa's really trying to explain everybody. Like John's doing his best for John to come back. Nobody wants to nobody wants to hear it. Yeah. But most of all aria is giving Sansa the stink is she doesn't like how stanzas handling all this. So here we are. Now, we're really we're really starting to get into it. Right. Like, this is probably correct me if I'm wrong, I think that this is the most maligned aspect of season seven is the infighting between Santa and our and the fact that the stark sisters are not on the same page seems like REO starting to feel maybe a little murderous towards her big sister and Santa's not appreciating where aria is coming from aria doesn't like that. Santa's just allowing these people to insult Jon snow while John is gone. She thinks that Santa's to him vicious that. She has her I on the throne, and Santa doesn't think that aria has any idea what she's talking about. And it's going to lead to these narrow where it seems like we're to be believing that Arias going to try and kill Sansa, obviously that would. Ever happen. But why are we even spending any time on this? Detour is it as bad in the rewatch as it was at the time so far for you. Yes. Because it doesn't make sense still. Are we supposed to believe? So this is all real real f r f r that we had everything going on here with Sansa and aria little finger is playing them against each other. As we'll see later on the episode where looks like he gets aria to fall into one of his traps. And then at the last minute brand is able to shut enough light on the situation that then aria in Santa get on the same page, or are we to believe that they are scamming little fingers the whole time and that they are having fights with each other in rooms by themselves. The as part, okay? Yeah. It's got to be the first thing. It's gonna be the first thing that there. There's actual agitation here. I think that both Santa. And are you have a lot of reasons in their lives to be very angry? Very damaged looking for somebody to blame. And I think for Santa all for family reunions. So far have been so pleasant and have been so surprising in in. How certainly at least the one with John surprising in the warmth that she has received that to see our back here somebody who she had a frosty relationship with to begin with acting the way that she's acting in a time. That's very stressful is a figurative and potentially literal needle in the side that she does not need. I for aria somebody who has been away from all forms of warmth in humanity for so long. Now, she's struggling very hard to fit back in. And she has this very house of black and white view of how things should go. When it comes to the Starks that family, I you know, sort of in that Randall tar, we mold of like, it's all about us primarily, it's the pack. And everybody else is secondary. And how could you possibly be even thinking about speaking negatively about John? So I understand where the conflict is coming from for both of these characters, but the scenes are unpleasant. I think that the no one likes watching these characters going at each other the way that they are. And it's you know, it's resolved in a way, that's so confusing that it causes these scenes to kind of play confusingly as well. Right. Even the Sansa in John scenes that we talked about from last season in in their reunion. You know, Sansa, and John would sort of but heads, but sort of at the end of every conversation that there would be some sort of like, you know, you're right. I should listen to you. Right. I'm so happy that you're that we're back together. And we don't get any of that with Sansa aria in these scenes, there seems to be like some genuine disdain after everything they've been through all the family members. They've lost that they're back together, and you know, adage other's throats because of this like pal. Alice intrigue at winter fell. Yeah. Yeah. I think a degree. I think some of it is understandable for the characters. It's just it's unfortunate to watch. And I think it's it's portrayed in a kind of clumsy sloppy way. I do think that this is the weakest material in season seven. Okay. All right. So we're going to head over to the beach. Landing. Yeah. And here we go. Dabo sin teary are going to park on the shore. And they're going to go their separate ways and Tyrians. Hey, just gonna leave the boat here. What happens to somebody takes the boat and says, well, then we're screwed. Yeah. He says it would be weird. And it's very funny. Yeah. And they have another great moment when they're landing on the beach to Tyrian is back in king's landing for the first time in season forty says the last time I was here. I killed my dad with a crossbow and was the last time. I was here you killed my son with. Wow. A lot of a lot of a lot of reasons for grudges between these characters on on this show. Yeah. There's a lot of that. Especially when we get to the last couple of minutes as a lot of like, hey, you did this to me this to me. So we're getting the fast version of that with all these characters here in the endgame. Okay. Ron is going to be leading Jamie down into the dungeons beneath the red keep for a little bit of some sparring practice and Jamie's like this is weird is at my birthday. Why you do why acting strange Epping day? No, it's not it's surprise though. Hey, it's Tyrian Tyrians here for the sake of the surprise of the scene. We the audience are robbed the first reunion of Tyrian in Bron, which is a which is a real shame. Like had it added Tyrian arrange this. We never get to find out which is kind of sad. Okay. And so. We see Jamie interior and back together. And Jamie is not thrilled. No, he doesn't like this at all. He hates Tyrian. The last time he parted ways with Tyrian. And it seemed like it was going to be fine. And then Tyrian killed their father and Jamie promised. He would cut him in half the next time. He saw him and he wants to make good on that. Here return is trying to talk some sense into Jamie. Yes, I think it helps that Jamie does not seem to have a real sword has only the sparring sword. Terraces that would take a minute. If you want to do that Tyrians Stratton explain like, you don't understand. He's gonna execute me. I was innocent. Let's cut to the chase here. What are you? What do you want? I think this is a sad part of Tyrians arc that comes up again later in the season when he sits across from, sir. See is he's really trying to get his siblings to understand where he's coming from into like acknowledged that he had it rough growing up that he was always on the wrong side of his father for reasons that were completely beyond his control. And neither of them have any interest in hearing on this is just like this. Wound that he is going to have to learn how to how to live with the idea that he'll never get it resolved the way he wants it resolved. Very sad. Really sad frontiersman. Yeah. Tyrian tells Jamie how deniro gonna win the war. You have to see it our way, but she is willing to suspend the hostility of sir c agrees to something. Yeah. And Jamie says if you want seriously bend, the knee Askar yourself and Tyrian says that's not what she wants. At least not right now, she has some more urgent business. Ask you meanwhile, over in flea bottom DAV Osaze heading over to the blacksmith shop, and he finds somebody that we have not seen in many years on game of thrones. It's the return of Kendari Gandhi's back back again. Yes, he he's he's he's been he's been gone from game of thrones for as long as he was on game. Thrones. Maybe even longer at this point time-wise was longer this first three seasons and then dilly-dallied with four five six seven. Great line from Davos talking about what injury was up to. I thought you might still be rowing. Yeah. He he's been reading the blogs. He knows what people are saying. Yeah. Okay. Have a laugh and. Basically, Dabo sues asking Genry to join them and genners like, yes, sure. I'll leave right now. Like close the store. Let me let's get out of here. I've been waiting my whole life. Let's go. Yeah. Iraq. Semi Esco Innis. Get it move from Ganji here who just wants to get out of here. Get be at of king's landing. I've been making weapons for the Lancasters. All this time. I've been making weapons for the people who killed my family. Every time. I swing this hammer. I just want us mash into some Lancaster faces which explains the eagerness in just a moment from now. Yeah. All right. So okay, let's get out of here. And so they are going to take gantries giant war hammer, Allah, a Robert breath. Ian, Bobby Bobby B, and they're going to head out to the boat and about to make a clean get-away just have to wait for Tyrian. Oh here comes to of the gold cloaks, and here's riff raff over here show. Yeah. What do you got there? Air for Menton crabs. I can smell from premier. Yup. So generous war hammers in the boat. They like throw the the like blind. Get though is that a sentence sheet that's covering the fermented crab in the. Xanten sheet, and they the row that over the war hammer and says, oh, look at this ferment, it crab. Yeah. It gets you going going. Also, I up that actually Davos bribes the guys that he's done this before I don't know if he tried to do a low ball offer on the negotiation of five gold dragons, but it's fifteen a piece for those guys. And then they come over to look at what Voces smuggling and w. The fermented crab is quite the Afridis EAC and the the local brothels they use this to really boost the business. Yeah. Parily that's the stuff. And these guys like, oh that sounds that sounds pretty good awesome. Take a by. Apparently, they like it. Right. So okay. So they seem. You know, interested in what dolls has their when did Davos get the fermented crabs? What I wanted to also do you think that the fermented crab might have been a placebo? Maybe I like we said I took them at the start of the podcast, and it's been hot blooded the always through. So it's working. Yeah. Okay. Devil says alright hurry over to your favorite establishment put a hole in that chain mail. Doha's really might be my favorite character. Yeah. So much great. And then Tyrian ends up walking out like walks past the gold cloaks, and it's a little like of a comedic moment with a gold closely. Hey dwarf, wait what? And then like, oh, don't try any more because. Wait to see the first hits you, and then we're going to start to get into it with Tyrian and Genry knows. It's go time. Yeah. It's time and he's picks up the hammer and just smash these people to bits Nile these phases destroyed phases hour like okay. Let's go. All right. So we go back to the red keep and we see, sir. See is you know, once again meeting with Khyber, n- Khyber and always here. He's he's helping out. Yeah. The hand of the Queen. He's her guy. Okay. All right. Sourcing knows that Jamie went to meet with Tyrian. Yes. She does everything takes it. Well. Sheetings Braun needs to get a demerits. Yes. Punishment for Braun for betraying Jamie again. But certainly knows everything and that she is on board with the accommodation of the dragon Queen yet could be in our immediate interests. She's got the numbers to numbers game to beat her. We gotta be clever. A minority. Split vote is what she's thinking. Yes. So as as a bad actor, she is very much in favor of the face to face summit with the denarius to buy her some more time placid movement. Good plan. Good plan. Just these are scary stories that they're slinging about right now about dead men and dragons and dragon queens terrifying times if you can buy yourself a little bit of extra time to figure out what the heck is going on do that makes sense. You know, you've got to get the golden company here too. So that's going to take a minute. So by your time. All right. But I see has another bombshell to drop on Jamie. She points more golden company on the way, check this out. Look at this this baby baby in here, the OB. Yep. Jamie's little say is the father you silly. What you silly Billy? You're. The dad. Yeah. And remember what what are dad used to say about the people? Lie into not concern himself with the opinions of sheep, unless the lion thinks, he's sheep like Lambert, the sheepish lion. That's a whole different story. Great story, though. Okay, sir. Sees baby. How big of a deal? Should we be thinking about this going into season h us? Yeah. I mean, I've had a lot of thoughts on this. I think that sir sees pregnancy is likely to be a big deal for the resolution of her character. I think it is a point in favor of her ultimate survival of potentially being imprisoned, but the baby surviving, but that's just because of the instinct of game of thrones isn't going to kill a baby. Like, they're going to kill a pregnant woman. And then you have lash Bax to the season two premiere where they killed a baby and the red wedding where they killed pregnant woman. So is that enough to to buy, sir? Seattle a fatal fate. I don't think so alternately I think I've speculated. Little bit that that servcies pregnancy could could play into the aria stark and game. We don't need to fully relitigate that here. But I think that that could that could actually have some impact on how things might land for aria. And I think for Jamie who has been speculated to for a long time now to to close out this prophecy of the Vallon car, which is a younger sibling in in Valerian that Jamie has been speculated as the person who's going to kill, sir. Syed some day. I think that him becoming not just the king slayer, but the Queen slayer and potentially killing his own child as a result would just add to the insane tragedy of Jamie, Lancaster. So this is a very loaded thing heading into the final season. I'm not entirely sure how it's going to play out. All right. Let me throw a wild theory could leaser see die in childbirth. As sir. Sees own mother died when she gave birth to Tyrian allegedly. And then technically I mean, if it's Jamie's child would that be a resolution to the prophecy? Yeah. I think that that could work, and you could also interpreted as this is the youngest of the of the children that she adds the youngest sibling there. Yeah. I could see that. That'd be crazy. That'd be while hidden it just in case, Jamie. We've sort of seen him never really have a relationship with any of his kids that we sort of had like those seen that he had with Marcella right before she died, and then only a brief scene or two with Tomen. Is it possible that, you know, Jamie coud go onto a raise the baby after the fact not impossible. I it's hard to imagine a happy ending for Jamie, Lancaster, that would be the closest one that I could think of, but he's just he's in such bad way with his loyalties to the Lancasters and the the white Walker war coming and his whole allegiance to, sir. See that target imagine. How he how he ever finds himself in the good graces of deniro star Garin, for example or the Starks which sides at the end of the season. Yeah. But not no. That he pushed brand out a window yet. You know, what's what's going to happen? Once that comes to light. So there's there's a lot of unresolved questions. I love the idea of like Jamie and his newborn son like going off into the world. Like a like, a new age lone wolf and cub blown lion. Cub. I think would be one. I don't know. It'd be it's certainly on the it's on the board. I wouldn't I wouldn't be shocked now that you've put that out there in the university. I think it's a it's a decent theory. I think it's pretty good actually. Okay. Davos has a great scene here with Gandhari where votes basically tells Genry that we're gonna go meet up with Jon snow, and he says the kings got a lot on his mind. And he's he doesn't need to be worried about you. Your name is Clovis. You are just a blacksmith, and you are coming to pay respect before he goes off to winter fell. And injury says okay, got it Clovis. Just the blacksmith. Understood. Got it. One hundred percent, of course. Yes. Yeah. And he meets John snow and says, hey, John, this is Clovis and quotas. Yeah. Just kidding. I'm getting I'm rob for the bastard, son. Yeah. Equa? This is not real. Little andrea. Clovis field busted. That's not happening. I'm gandhari. Bobby was my dad. Yeah. The funny exchange where John says, you're a lot leaner says your lot shorter kit Harrington shade. Yeah. No. I think that that's fine. Kid Harrington has a lot going for him. I think he can handle the height humor, especially it's like baked into the to the show. That's fine. These guys are like best friends video. Yeah. Okay. So they hit it off. And we both have heard stories about that. And again, re is up for the battle. He has a war hammer you can handle himself Dabo says he's a fighter. He's good at fighting. Not like me, I'm bad at fighting. But he could do it. Says like. Nobody mind me all I've ever done is live to a ripe old age. Yeah. And he says he says it's better to be a coward for a minute then dead for the rest of your life more of that dead dead. Fish handshake logic. Okay. So we see Tyrian with Giora, and they have a little bit of a reunion. It's nice. I like these two together. I think it's fun Tyrian saying, this is the coin Mr. echo gave us and is gonna is gonna pay us for the rest of our lives. So I want you to take this. And I want you to bring it back to me. So that you can you can make it back here in one piece. That's very nice. If you okay, and Danny is going to have a good bye with John. Yeah. And John's it's sweet where John says the good news. If I don't come back. You don't have to deal with the king and the north anymore. But I like the king of the north. Yeah. Okay. John wishes deniro's good fortune in the wars to come classic. Classic goodbye. What we say all the time to each other. When we off the podcast that we don't record when Robin. I got off the line. All right. So John is off with with Joe Giora. Yeah. All right citadel. Sam is a. He's cracking. He's he's he's pleased displeased the whole thing. He doesn't like that. He's getting shut out by the Mace tres. He's really seeing red to the point that he's not even really listening to Gilly who is reciting all this information from all these books that she's reading about the highest septum Maynard's, bowel movements, and annot mints and prince Ray, Gars and omits and Sam cuts her off. And if he hadn't he would have gotten some key information a little bit sooner than he ends up getting it. Yeah. Classic. Sam 's planning everything to Gilly. Meanwhile, she has all the information or right in front of our. Yeah. Go is the Princess who was promised, right? Sam ultimately is going to crack he is tired of the Mace tres not doing anything. He's going to go to the library. And then just steal all the books and take Sam Gilliam, then just get the heck out of there. Get out of there. Yeah. They're done. They're going to act to the northeast finished. Okay. All right to read about the achievements of becherman. He wants to be one of the better men. Okay. Let's go back to this. Frustrating REO story line a little bit of cloak and dagger going on. I mean what what's there to say? This is a scene where REO Bolers little finger around for a bit. And then he kind of leads into a room where she finds. She finds out some stuff she that, he's planted. He wants her to read letters and things and then he's secretly watching her. The whole time reset finger has he had gone, Royce go and and track down, and yeah, I mean, it's it's what. Answer wrote back in season one after Ned God captured and Santa's trying to get everything to be resolved. Neatly father's been charged trees in and you need to bend the knee, and you need to help everything going on otherwise dad's gonna die. This is what she was pressured into writing when she was a kid and little finger. If our reads are going to be pissed and try to kill Sanson than Sansa. We'll have just cause to take down aria and with aria out of the way little finger will be able to more readily manipulate the stark situation because Arias scares the pants off of them. He saw her fighting in the courtyard before so that's little fingers move here. That's what he's trying to do here. Right. But not the poke holes in little fingers plan. If his move is to try to make REO wanna kill Sansa fill like that. Like, really good killing people. I think little finger play a little fast and loose here. Little finger underestimates the stark sisters gets killed, so okay. All right. So she is going to sneak into little fingers room reads, the no, but then the joke was on her because a little finger was spying on on aria, the whole time and wanted her to find the note, so okay back and forth. All right. I wanna see that scene. Reedited with the Pink Panther music underneath. That's what I want. All right. Let's go back to east watch. Yes. So we're going to east watch which was last mentioned, many episodes ago, and by many, I mean, like five at this point torment in the free folk have been manning Eastwood, they get the get the castle to themselves because that's seems to be the likeliest port of entry for the night king and the white walkers so John rolls up to east watch with Dabo, sin, Gandhari and Giora in tow. Because they want to go north of the wall, and they wanna capture a white and bring it back to king's landing and torment is. Doesn't love the idea right away. Yeah. He's saying you want to do what what how many queens are there? Now. What do we what is this plan? Again. Like, I mean, it's crazy that torment is the person in this entire episode. That says hold on run this past one more time doing. Yeah. I like how he's living track of the queen's or he's like which one we have to convince the one of the dragons or the one who blames her brother. I guess he's the person who's like finding out the plan at the last minute. And he is going to be very involved with the plan. Whereas a lot of the people that thought up the plan were sort of like, okay? And then we'll see if this works, right? He's the guy in charge of the east watch. So, you know, coming into my house and telling me what we're doing. So, but it turns out that they're not the first people with an ideal, or at least a reason to be this bar north because they've got some guests in the east watch prison cells. Yeah. And we are reunited with the hound and barracked on Derian and thorough of MIR. And we've got the whole ocean seven here together and thorough says the shakes it's not going so thorough. Who isn't he hasn't been? Allowed to drink much. He's very upset about that. He's recognized by Giora more Mont after Gandhari. I recognize the brotherhood was like these are the guys who gave me to the red woman who put the leeches on my stuff. Upset about that. And then jurors oh, man Thoresen doors. Oh, man, Giora more money, and like your Mormon endorses euro wild. Yep. And barrack says we all hate each other. This is great where at the edge of the world the edge of extinction. Roll here. We hate each other. But we're here. He is same reasoning. Yeah. Doing what we're going to look for a white. It's. It's crazy. For. I would love free daily and Keith to find the fermented crab. I'd be very concerned about what would happen. I don't know. Crystals and find it. Oh god. Hammer. Right. So we are going to be setting up a much better cliffhanger this week net. Quite a conventional cliffhanger more of like a to be continued. Speaking of Keith, it's cool. I mean as the next episode fully honor, the promise of Eastwood, probably not I actually didn't get in in in hindsight. We at the start of the podcast, we talked about this as a as a chess pieces episode, but it's a fun chess pieces good I liked it had low expectations going in and is a cool ending. It's got this real energy to as everyone's like charging off into the unknown and the future is bleak possibility and the result is relatively bleak as well. It's just maybe not as exciting more as airtight wraps. But I don't know we're gonna we're gonna talk about beyond the laws or next podcast two weeks from now, and we'll get to reevaluate it with hindsight really not a lot to reevaluate in terms of what we know will happen in the following up because we only have one additional episode to judge it against. Beyond beyond the wall. But I think with a year and a half on from having seen that absurd. I'll be curious to see what what we think about it. Okay. All right. Anything else from east watch note? That's all I got. Yeah. We just send everybody out the back door and then out into the freezing cold, and we're going to see what happens to everybody next time out. What do you feel like is the promise that is unfulfilled in the next episode? I don't know. I mean, I think that beyond the wall is not a super fondly remembered episode of the show, I think that a lot of people had issues with beyond the wall. I do think when you think about like the penultimate installments of game of thrones seasons, which are typically the most exciting episodes of given season is it bottom of the barrel. It's either bottom of the barrel or second to last depending on how you feel about the dance with dragons in season five. I think most people think about hard home kind of sort of filling that spot even though it comes in earlier. I think a lot of it comes down to like people's issues with raven flight path and all of that. So we'll see we'll see if we feel that same way. I think that there's some people who are really low in this episode and not a ton of people who are massively high on it. So I'll be I'll be very interested to see what we think about when we encounter it together. Yeah. I think I remember it being better. The finale was underwhelming. But that could just be it's been a minute. It's been a minute. It's been a okay. All right. So that's we're gonna in two weeks in two weeks. Everybody two weeks. We would have been in it. You know, you've got you've got a little before we get hanging there. Everybody to will be great. And it'll be great power back. Of course. Josh Wheeler will be publishing so much a game of thrones news that you'll you'll think that he was hopped up on ferment crab weeks. Yeah. Was yes, go ahead and follow all of that. Either on Twitter at round Howard or at ta dot com slash game of thrones. I am at rob sister. You know, I been talking about the Walking Dead with Jessica lease and falling. It's we've had fun covering this back half of the season. Yeah. Lots of talk about Henry alpha. The highway men the highway movies. Yup. Can highwaymen. Yeah. All right. So we will talk to you again game of thrones in two weeks as we are inching closer to the game of thrones season eight for me, or if you can believe it everybody. Good one.

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Game of Thrones Season8, Ep #3 | The Battle of Winterfell

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Game of Thrones Season8, Ep #3 | The Battle of Winterfell

"Therefore, we get to our recap of season. Eight episode number three of game of thrones take a moment. And thank our sponsor for this post show. Recaps those are friends over at blue diamond almonds, and if you are watching game of thrones, you know, that you must be tired of the same boring snacks. Because let me tell you winter is here. So is perfect snack blue diamond almonds. Whether you're going to work, if you're bored at work, leaving work on your commute home. These almonds are the perfect snack Honey roasted flavor Domin Saracho flavored almonds with Sabi and soy sauce flavored almonds. We have your attention. Why keep snack numbering Gips when you can go to the storm pick up blue diamond almonds right now. Whatever the moment. Blue diamond almonds are the perfect snack. Don't deny your cravings. Go pick up some great flavors right now and eat them, blue diamond, almonds crave. Victoriously? Yes. Oh my goodness. Even fish back. The battle of winter fell is over. But we are just getting started on our recap live after season eight episode number three of game of thrones. And seeing. Wow. Oh my goodness. Steven fish back. What an episode. I I it was the screen was dark and full of terrors from what could make out from one could make out. There was a lot of crazy insanity that happened know, huge our battles. I need to wash it again with higher contrast. But I really liked. It was turned off all the lights in close all the blinds. If I was not like somebody in mobile, I would have done the exact same thing because it was a little too. It was too bright in my apartment to totally cash. What was happening, but boy some huge moments that we've been waiting for for years if your show washer decades, if you're a book reader e end and just oh my gosh. That's crazy payoff. Highs in this episode. I also thought there was some lows there were things that you know, things that were building that I didn't feel were paid off. But I'm really excited to talk about it with you. Okay. So a lot to recap tonight on a jam packed hour and twenty minutes of game of thrones. That was almost non-stop all. The way through they let you catch your breath a couple of times when people were hiding different places, but boy lot of stuff happened. We'll try our best to go through it. All of course, Stephen fishbach. If you're watching the video he suffered injuries at the battle of winter fell tonight. Even. How are you holding up? After your recent shoulder surgery. I'm great, I'm great if you can see this the livestream. I've a giant ice cuff attached to my right arm and say, I song of ice cuff and fiery takes. So we're I'm rehabbing. Well, I am not on. I know people will be disappointed to hear. I am not on any major opiates anymore. So that was the big hit on the survivor know at all that time that you were on painkillers. Yeah. I was thinking of like prolonging my addiction for the hilarious comedy of our conversation. But then I thought know. Epidemic. Maybe maybe I'll take a step away. All right. All right. So Steven, I guess let's get into everything we are going to have something to say send me a tweet at rob sister Nino. I've got my Twitter open on one of the many computers that power this podcast. Of course. Our feedback show. Josh Winkler may not go to bed tonight too much to to cover for this eighty minute jam packed episode, but we will get together with Josh I believe on Wednesday this week for our game of thrones feedback show, sending your questions to post show. Recaps dot com. Steve, I guess just big picture. What was your reaction to this one of the most hyped episodes of television of all time? I try to just sit back. Enjoy it. You know, usually when I'm watching these things I'm like taking notes and like thinking like what I'm going to say, I just was like. I just was like really enjoyed sitting back watching it being overwhelmed by getting caught up in the emotion of it. You know, there's so many huge. I mean, I honestly like when ghost was charging into battle alongside the death Raqi like I got a little teary. I mean, I guess the second time getting teary of Syria this season. Just some really cool moments. Obviously the big thing that happened was this build towards this huge conflict between John and the night king. It feels like they've got the slow music playing the night king is like walking slowly across the battleground John dodging in and now, he's got the dragon breathing ice fire on him. And then boom out of nowhere. Just as all seems lost for John aria comes in with her special blade and today. Okay. Well, let's start with aria here. Because I think that she was the unlikely hero for if you're gonna take the Vegas. Odds of who was going to take out the night king. I think that you would have had Jon snow as a heavy favorite brand working into something to narrow in the mix. But aria stark being the person who sneaks up behind the entire white Walker army as the night king in true bond villain fast. Walks ever. So slowly up to do whatever he needs to do with brain. And then ends up being the person to step him. Correct me if I'm wrong that was the Valerian steel cat's paw dagger that was a big macguffin in season seven. Yeah. I think you're right. I think that is exactly what that what what that blade was. I could I could be wrong again, really hard to see. But. So I do like that the ultimate weapon which takes out the night. King does have some ties back to little finger somehow where little finger ultimately used that dagger as to start start the war between the Starks and the Lancasters, and then brings it back out for seemingly no reason in season seven ultimately kills little finger and the night came one murder weapon. How did you like being aria? Yeah. Okay. And then we want to get a confirmation. I'm seeing in the chat that it's not the cat's paw dagger was that was that the weapon that that that Gandhari invented for Andrew was the one where she was saying that right? Who had? No, no, no. That was what she was doing her like two handed slicing and dicing up on the on the ramparts which she was doing her like Bo Bo attacks, and then like, Bo Bo staffed attacks, and then she like split it into it was like cutting off people's heads. That was the thing that Kendra invented. Yeah. Okay. So the chat is split between. What it was? And that's one of the things about doing the show right after the episode. I'm sure Josh, and many other experts will sort this all out tomorrow. But the headline at night king is dead here and the the menace of the dead and the white walkers is over here three episodes into this final season. Yeah. It was kind of like a dick move for the other way walkers to not stop her. You know, she came from behind him seen her coming there. I was certainly off the ball. I mean, I don't know why the night king necessarily he controls all these other people why he needed such an audience for what he was going to do with brand. Like, hey, everybody. Check this out. All right. All right. The big moments about to happen. But this posse they don't seem to do very much. They just kind of like go where he goes and like look ominous. I haven't really we haven't really seen them be very active in any capacity heavily who the other white walkers. Yeah, they like they like hand him like his javelin when. Hangar on exactly they're all. They're like his entourage. They don't deal. That's the word. That's the word. I was going for. Yeah. Like, you know, they like make sure he looks fly and give him his job. Turtle. There's John drama. Sure. There's e-. But no then night. King. Stephen is is are you happy with the way that this would that this work that because I think that probably if you were to ask the game of thrones fan base a couple of years ago. How what's the last episode of game of thrones? Look like, I think you probably would have described a scene that we saw in this episode tonight that of aria taking out the Nike aria, but specifically the bell. Well, it's got to be a big big battle everybody against the the white walkers. But that's over with three episodes to go. Yeah. And so that was the big question. Right. Like does do the white walkers die before the kind of drama plays out? And I guess we have we have our answer. Yeah. It's crazy. The white walkers are dead. They're done that story line is over. We've been talking about it. You know, you've been talking about it a lot. For for years. We've been thinking about it. You know, since the very first scene game of thrones is the night is the the dead coming back. And and now, it's they're done. They're they're taking out. Let me ask you. This was the ultimate journey worth. The ride. You will what's your question is like is the is the end of it. I mean, it did feel like it ended. I mean, it's hard to say like, well, what's abruptly? You know, I mean like it's been this building looming menace for for the entire series of the show. You know, a huge defeats at the you hard home, huge defeats at the hands of the of the the white walkers, and you had this ninety minute giant battle where basically everyone dies. Although not that many big. Yes. The bloodbath for the principal cast that many were expecting, and I actually think that was maybe my biggest I like my only criticism may Arousa my biggest criticism with the show tonight was that you know, the fan bay. And maybe this is the problem with having week to week episodes rather than than streaming streaming episodes. It was like the fan base has been anticipating this like who's going to die. Who are we going to lose? We're ready for our emotional trauma tonight. You all like highly prepped to lose someone we love to feel great things kind of like, you know, like Doris, Ed. I was. The first to go live. So the named character body count for tonight. So ed. On a more Mont down Mormon. Not a huge character. She's been probably, you know, I love a big Liana fan. Sure. We all we all are barracuda. Darrien Verizon Derian. The Andrea joy theon, great, joy and Jorma job. And that's that's it. And none of those are the real marquee, except your I guess other than Giora, no real Marquis characters. Yeah. I mean, none of the like a list cast went out in this episode. I mean, I don't think anybody expected that. But I think that people were really expecting like all of these didn't think Padraig pain was coming out of this Padre grey worm. I really thought we were getting. A night of the realm too. I thought that that was her that was her big moment. Brian Nelson Andhra also well right now, Sandra also dies, but by our own choice. She's like, you know, what I've had enough. What else is there for Mel asandra that she she served her purpose? The Mel Sandro kind of the other than aria the MVP of the night. Yeah. Really sushi. She held back the dead with the firewall. She she. Yeah. And then kind of was those are those are big moment key. That was I mean, she showed up she really seems to have her magic on point. You know, she is a one that, you know, certainly faced her doubts, but the that she was a key contributor. And really when we're going to look at you know, who did anything tonight on the side of the good guys hard to really come up with a list of good guys that were major contributors. Yeah. Everyone kind of. I mean, you know. I hate to be this guy. But Jon snow kind of useless throughout the night. Yeah. Did not do really very much of anything. They kind of like flapped around a bit. His dragging got killed. He he was killed right? Reagan was killed is that official. I don't know. I I it seemed like it made sure looks drove on you know, made it out even at the NC, and that was like two stroke on is driven. I'm like resting or is he dead, but we saw for next week. So it looks like drove I made it out alive. I think Regal's radios done. Yeah. Chad is split on this again, we need to sort out the body the body count on this. So yeah, John snow did a lot of running around. Yeah. But ultimately, John snow was was not a major contributor. No didn't didn't really have any big decisive impact on on anything, you know, one big ditch detect he didn't he didn't help in areas against against the ice. Dragon. Really, you know, maybe just like this the fact that he was they're kind of like, maybe if it was just an areas versus the ice dragon that wouldn't that would have been more of a, you know, a wipe out for maybe just the fact that he was there to kind of like absorbed some of the the ice fire attacks, maybe that that helped helped out there. What about ghosts? It goes make it out. I think we would've seen ghosts onscreen death. So I assume that ghost is also. Okay. And again the chat will correct us. If that's the case what was brand doing through. Most of this battle because I think that many of us thought alright bran is going to walk into a drag in. He's a secret weapon here. He's going to go toe to toe with the Nike. We saw him wargin to crows go look at what the night king was doing. But other than that like a web of what was when brands is rolling back in his head. What was he was he contributing in any way or was like, oh, I need to just look completely catatonic? So the night king can really slow walk up to me. So are you can get him with the dagger. Maybe he's just wanted to watch. He's like us. He's a fan. He wanted to see what was happening. You know? I'm just gonna go. He's like your thing. I'm gonna go watch the show from the perspective of the crows. I expect like a crow attack. I thought like right at the end. There was going to be live on something like bringing bringing the crows to protect your your human form. I thought there was going to be like some kind of like again, like not much not much agency from brand he's like. All he says, I'm going to go now. And then he says the kion you're a good, man. Yeah. Yeah. And and that was that was pretty much from from brand. He kind of did he give away are ya? Like, he kind of like look where she was coming from am I wrong he gave it away because aria was able to get get the jump. And I did love they were aria. Not only did she have the jump on the night king and say, she also had the lines of the episode where she gives Sansa though dragon glass dagger and says, I don't know how to use this. We have the callback too early on sticking with the pointy end. Which is why John says to her when she first gets needle. We also had the moment where Mela Sandra where you know, that, you know, a mental Sandra at one point was on Arias list. And she goes back to that moment. They had in season three about all of the is that she's going to shut and oh green eyes Brown eyes. Blue eyes. Oh, okay. Well, who has this colorized who has this caller is? And I think that we missed that. It was right there that. Blue is the night king. Yeah. And Mel asandra came to explain remember that clever reference. I said yes now, you get it. Now, you get it. So you got it. Yeah. And then Mel Sandra says sue aria, what do we say to the the God of death? Not today might hold on was Syria. Ferrall really Mel, Sandra. They're all Jack Hagar all. So like, oh, so many great callback here. Yeah. A lot of really great call backs. What did you think? So this was you know, barrack done DARREN'S purpose. We see the final death of Barrett on dairy news many times in Brooklyn been bar backed by the Lord of light many times was this a good fitting final end Barrick. No. I mean, it was good that he saved aria. And ultimately, we get like the reason why the Lord of light brought him back to many times was that. So that that REO was going to be the person to take out the night king. But I mean was it a Burke done dairy, and I don't really ever have a great feel for him as a character. It seemed like the last like three episodes all he's doing is click. Yeah. That was really I did love all the stuff with the hand and aria. Yeah. I mean, I I mean the hound wanting to save aria made sense. But like the two of those guys this isn't make sense to me like they're like, oh, are you need saving? Let's let's abandon the battle and go save that one girl over there. Yeah. So there's that big like fifteen minutes in the middle of everything where all of a sudden, it was like a different show the Benny hill show. Well, yeah, it was like this is like a scene out like the Walking Dead where there's thousands of these whites that are just pouring through the gates of winter fell. But then Arias in sort of like, the, you know, the great hall of winter fell library or library. Or maybe that's what it was and far be it from me to quibble on a library with you. And she's like, I've all she's like, you know, sneaking through a hiding behind. I've never seen the whites act like that on the game with rounds. Yeah. There. More of like a swarm kind of movement and attend attack motion. They don't kind of like like ramble around through the, but you know, books are very distracting day. We all kind of want to get lost in that imaginative world. Yeah. I could've sworn I thought at one point aria was going to push over one of the bookcases. And then like dominoes. Not on the bookcases in the library. Yeah. The thing where she takes the book throws it, and it makes a sound to distract the whites. And then she she runs out classic. Yeah. It was very much then like which she's hiding into the desk. We had like sort of like, the the drip of blood was attracting the the whites. It was like a Jurassic Park like hiding from one of the t rexes. Yeah. Yeah. So is are you the prince that was promised like is is aria stark Zora on high. Boy, that's interesting. I mean because like the point of the that was promised right is to like, basically take out the Nike and my missing something. Yeah. I mean, this was John does it matter at this point. I don't know. I mean, we've been debating the identity of arrive for for years and years like, oh, I think Stanford's it's not Stanton, though, is John is really John. What if it's really, Danny? We've all said, I don't know. I've said and now it looks like it was are you don't think I mean, I feel like some kind of like what? What you know, what this episode is such a huge conclusive moment for game of thrones. Oh, let's okay aria is on high the Princess who was promised. Now. What does should she be on the iron throne? No, she just you know, she she saved the realm and history has been made. And you know, sometimes, you know, it's not just about thrones. Rob it's also about saving all humanity from endless darkness. Yeah. Seeping? I just so confused about where we go from here. Like what what's brands purpose the rest of the series? Yeah. It just doesn't be creepy like make cryptic cryptic remarks issue. Well, that's why I did. I did think that there was going to be more of a part of why I mean for both for the emotional impact. And for just a logistical impact of like, why thought there was going to be more of a bloodbath. Like grey, worm like, why did gray where make it out of his battle? I really thought this was the end for grey worm. Yeah. I thought so too. But he does somehow like I don't understand how anybody that was on the front line ends up making through this the one we need to talk about most of all is Jordan. Who's in the initial charge? We very first charge. We see him run back. Kind of my initial thought. I was like gosh jor like why did he come back? Oh, wait. He's a well. He's a white now. Yeah. Or like that was pretty fast. I do we see we probably saw him again. Like, you know, and then literally out of nowhere. Just as the is about to be overwhelmed. He comes like was he just like hanging outside the gate the whole time. And like did none of the other whites like bother him for some reason? There's a couple of people like that. Like I saw. Sam couple times like in a pile of white. He he came at it. And we saw torment out there the whole time and Bryanne, Jamie. I don't know how any of these people survived. Yeah. I don't have such a huge problem with them like beating back at the the very cost of all of their effort in somehow living. It's when like he like swoops in from the side with like for. No, it's just doesn't make sense at all like how really like was Giora outside the walls the whole time. Yes. Yes. I guess. So I guess he was he's an incredible swordsman the one that I that really. I was like what was Berek when he's a leading aria and the hound get away any standing there. And then just just getting sad by the whites. And this about he got away and was able to catch up to aria and the hound and get into the next room with them and would have had to like somehow take out the whites right because otherwise they would have been there with him. So. Got distracted. Maybe they heard aria another new book. I don't want it to see if they raise for. So we're we're we're bouncing around over everything. So let me ask you just sort of big picture. Did this episode live up to the hype for you? I time to process it because I'm still like when I I like, I I when our REO like jumped up and killed the Nike, and I was like, holy shoot. What an incredible twist weave expecting this big fight with John in the night king and then out of nowhere. It's aria. Like what a great moment instead of it being this like macho swords, dude, it's this like plucky girl who we love more than anybody. And she's the one who who's the one to take down the Nike. I thought that was so cool in the moment. And then I go onto Twitter. And of course, people are like this is so corny like outdoor day six machen out of nowhere like how LA and so I just need time to process it and think like like is it cool because it was like such like a coal moment. Or is it like a great fitting end to this story? I haven't digested all of it. Yeah. I think that we're probably being ungrateful to the gods of television. We're being like, we're we're being a little critical of things that happened in the episode. But I think overall I don't know where you are getting more entertainment for an hour and twenty minutes on a TV show. I mean, this was a movie. Yeah. It was it was a movie it was like it was one of probably like the has to be one of the biggest most giant battles ever filmed. Right. It's got to be up there. Among the certainly the longest most epic in scope, great battles in TV and cinematic history. I mean, it was incredible. I wonder how does the show top this? I mean, that's what's so weird about this being episode three where you had the all the stuff with a search in king's landing, which has a whole whole set of emotional. Aches that this doesn't have. But this had a scope that the other side of it doesn't have it. And I guess that the biggest thing like from a narrative point of view comes from like where we said like, well, how does sir see even match against an heiress and dragons and unsullied into thr Aki and the rest of the realm now, it's a the tables are if not turned very evenly match. Yeah. And it was funny and sort of like the next week on like seeing your on grey joy like prancing around. And you're like what this guy like we just we just saw the end of the night came like who cares about what you're on great joy is doing, but, but it will be nice that it looks like the color palette is a lot warmer and richer allowed him to have a lot more like clear visuals very excited about that Windsor over now with the Nike is dead. I will interest seasonal right? It's it hasn't. Just I think in game of thrones. Land. It's not just about the night king bringing winter as because like know winters lasts x number of years. But it's a it's a constant seasonal shift. Like, I wonder if we're just going to drop that it's winter in the final three episodes. Well, it's it's going south anyway. Right. Presumably, so it will be we'll be warmer clime. Yes. But you know, in the visions that Danny saw in the house of the undying. Of course, we have the dragons flying over king's landing and snow and king's landing being destroyed. And I know it was a very popular theory this week where I I already talked almost like it was fact night king is not in winter fell that night king. And I thought we were going to get that. When brand looked up in the crow's and saw the night king flying on vissarion that night kings, not in king's landing. But he most certainly was. Yeah. Nikes not in winter felony. Yeah. I do think that's part of like this. You know, the the weekly episode structure, and when you have this insanely active community, where it's like, you know, all of the normal rational takes are like digested and thought of within the first like three hours, and then you've got like a whole week to just like spin off into come up with like crackpot theories and lunatic takes yeah. But some of these really get a lot of steam, and they're just reported like it's absolutely going to be factual. Well, and I think that's the challenge for the show too. It's like, how do you stay ahead of the phantom like? And I guess that was my point to with with the sort of low body count. It's like we have built up. You know, there's been this constant like Twitter presence of like, I ready to say goodbye to all of my loved ones, you know, here. And so you kind of Louis if without that build I don't think I felt a little bit of a sense of loss that we didn't lose more people. Stephen. Let's talk about the action in the crypts in this episode as many people predicted Crips did come to life. And it did seem like that. Nobody left the Crips though. Well, the door was closed, and maybe they didn't want them in. Well, I don't know if they were locked in. But they did seem that the door was closed because people earlier in the episode right Sansa went down to the crypts. But then there was a moment. When people are banging on the crip door like lettuce in light us in. They didn't open the door. I mean, they had to assume based on that moment that the castle was overrun to you know, it's kind of this thing we're too damned. If you do damned if you don't, you know, my big question is in the aftermath. How are they going to figure out which body goes where like who is which I think that that's got a lot of bodies to sort out. Yeah. That's for another day. I mean did somebody kill some of the whites that were there? I mean, we sold like a couple of people that were like near the different entomb in two minutes. I don't know what you would call that. But the, you know, a couple people got got and I don't see anybody kill any whites. And then just went back to like every hardly and a quarter. I, but those were like real they had been dead for so long. I'm sure it took this is either these are generally there things that probably took a lot of their energy. They probably would gas down after that. What did you think about Sansa interior, and we'll have a couple of moments and the episode was a great line where Sansa anterior, and we're talking before they went down to the crypts and Santa says deteriorate, you know? You were the best of all of them and interiors like well that is a horrifying thought. Yeah. And then again in the crypts, they have sort of a moment of. You know, if if you know, if it weren't for the dragon Queen could, you know, it might have might have worked for between us, and then Masada, of course, as we have one of the dragon Queen we'd all be dead. But, but I thought it did seem like they were sort of playing up this kind of Sansa Tyrian, you know, the possibility of them reconciling, I think one pretty common fan theory. I think John Josh's edited. Maybe that's why it's communist 'cause Josh said is that is is that Tyrian in San. So we'll all end up together Josh's been said that before and I thought it was kind of a long shot. But I think that this episode tonight did lay a lot of groundwork for that. Yeah. It really did seem like it was setting up the Tyrian Sansa might just end up together, not necessarily maybe as rulers of winter foul, maybe as just like picking up the pieces, I'm curious how much do you think that this is book canon? I I had I also the idea that like Martin had given the show runners. The broad strokes of what was going to happen is this is this how the Nike is going to die in the books. I mean, you're asking the wrong guy. The stories that I hear it's like it's like they had lunch with George Martin. And he's sort of like again like bro on the back of a napkin. What was going to go on they're filling in a lot of details. Yeah. But who kills the Nike has got to be one of those like major plot points that he's like, you know, he told them the horror thing, right? That was something that you like he gave them. I have some bad news for you about the books. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to hear it. I don't want hear it. Yeah. What is Santa story from here on out? That's a really docking the grain winter. Yeah. I mean, the lot fewer mouths to feed. Now, she must you know. She's got an easier job. Does she go south? I don't really see it. Right. She I mean, she doesn't make sense for her to like participate in the final battle. Also, kind of would be weird her not to be there. You know to have that sort of survey was was such evil horrible presence in Santa's life. And so when it does assuming seriously does go down to not have give Sansa a moment with that. I think would be imagine that Sansa leaves winter fell to participate in this battle against. Yeah. No, I agree. I agree. So yeah, that's a good question. Like is this the end for Sansa? And like when we go when we do those storylines down south like are, we flashing back jumping back up north to see how the survivors are sort of picking up the pieces of literally picking up the pieces of what's happened. Yeah. I don't know what brand and Sansa, and you know, some of these other characters have going on for these final three episodes. It's going to be very interesting to see how the show pivots now. Where yet a whole first half a season all about this. And now we're going to hold back half of the final season dealing with the intrigue in the iron throne. Yeah. I mean, and it's it's it's going to be really interesting to see again, like I was really surprised by how many people made it out of this episode, which means are these people's gonna live through in which case, you know, it's almost as appointing if everyone makes that alive. Give me some names. Give me some names. I I mean, I don't know like Brienne is Brienne gonna make it out of the whole series yet kind of thinks she is. I mean, you know. She's going to be fine. Yeah. Who knows it could be could still die in the upcoming battle. He could die. That's possible. Cla gain. It's gonna gamble. Bow. What else? I mean. You're right. I guess most of the other big characters are. Are really set for this. Big this big final big tunnel. King's landing showdown. Okay. All right. So we still want to take a look at what you guys are saying on social media. 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Saracho fire mode had to be aria coming up from behind the night. King just at that huge climactic moment and giving them the old one to stab Eru. Whatever the moment. Blue diamond ominous is a perfect snack. Don't deny your cravings. Go pick up some great flavors right now and eat them, blue diamond, almonds crave. Victoriously? All right. Stephen scrolling through some of the questions, we have from the listeners, and are there any death Raqi left mister robot Taryn wants to know? Oh, man. That's it. Sure didn't seem but those porta threat. Okay. Also that was a really cool moment when they all charged with. And then the show really did make use at times of how dark it was. Right. Here we go. Here comes Mel asandra. Everybody swords around fire. All right. Yes. And then it's only have them. Like, you're watching the distance like, oh, no. That does not good. All right, Jordan retreat. Yeah. Giora that was just a few of them made. It back really was. You know, Jordan village chicken down early. It was like I came the horses and then came Giora. Yes. He definitely did. Let's see. Zac Brooks wants to did aria use a dead person's face to get close to the night. King people seem to think so is that possible. See the aria take off a face. Maybe we'll see this in a deleted scene of one of the expired. I mean. Dead people. This seems like one of those things where there were, you know, this is just going to be your mileage may vary from for my viewing of the show. I don't feel like that's a likely scenario. But I I think for someone who believes that. There's no there probably won't be anything to either prove or refute. That idea aren't all the faces. She takes of dead people already. Right. So like why not actually be a w like Shambaugh or, but like, it's not I guess I really gets into the mechanics of how dead people are figuring out where the living aren't who's dead. How do they know not to turn on their own? Is it like a smell thing? I mean, I guess it's the site thing we kind of we know that they can hear pretty well the book the book throwing so that we know that they got good hearing. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Tom Palmer says so aria was actually useful while John Snow Brand. We're pointless like the entire rest of the series. Oh, come Johnson. Wasn't always useless. Stop it. Yeah. He was a crucial. He he went beyond the wall. Brought back to white. He he died. He was Lord commander of the night's watch. Yeah. The bastards he was an important part of that. Even though he would have died to had another day Essex. Now, not come out from the side of the screen this show loves a good day. Thanks you. And they were quite a number this episode. We really had a lot of last minute saves this episode. Yes, what was your favorite? I mean, obviously, the area was the best one Giora was my least favorite one because I really just I hope someone tells me gives me some theory for what Giora was doing that enabled him to swoop in and say, I really have. I really am. I was really, you know, there was. There was there were a couple of great dragon saves, but like those didn't bother me because like they were they were we'd set that up. That's what the dragons were there for you know, that's what they were doing. They were circling what ready to blast the dead dismiss marines. That was really cool, by the way, also. When when when Drago on blasts, the night king was such a cool moment. Another just like all these great moments that we've Hispanic for so long. I mean, the score was really incredible throughout the whole episode. And then they gave you a little bit of a bump when Danny blast the night king. But then I'll feel like this is probably not working. Yeah. Exactly, exactly. It was not other. There was there was a moment. Right. Where did he did? He get the ash. It was incinerated is he gone who's like one thousand. I'm sure we all heard that I read that through to do because he walked out of the plants, right? This is also from mister robot Taryn, which death sad. And you the most Stephen. Dolorous EDD now ghost. His dad is retroactively saddening me. The most. He did not die. I don't believe. I'm a big Barrington Darrien fan. So I was really sad to see him go, and I did expect it to be like a more climactic moment. Like, yes, we now know that he saved aria. So that you could save humanity. But I did sort of think it was kind of like a it was a little bit lame. I think that the show wanted to have Giora was the climactic death. That was the one that that they wanted to give you the pack. The biggest emotional punch did they do for you. I thought he died like two or three other times. He got stabbed quite a few times that he'd like stood up. It was like about. Now that one I'm good. I'm good Liana more Mont. Zero. Iconic. She died as though she lived. She stabbed the giant in the I yeah, I was giving it to those giant dudes, you know. Fearless. Yes. Let's see. What's the one thing that should have happened in this episode based on these story, we got an AK who should have had a deaths even I really was expecting brand to diet Alex day. I'm shocked that Brienne didn't die. I'm also very surprised grey worm didn't die. It just seemed like, you know, one of those frontline big-name frontliners should have died as you said, you know, we saw them like repeatedly just chopping away at the undead army, and it almost felt like a cheat for nine of them today. Tor torment torment all characters I love I love torment. I'm such a huge storm and fan, but I really wasn't too spitting one of them going. Yeah. I think that grey worm and Bryanne are the two that probably the most incr-. Edulis that they have somehow survived this, especially after last week's up. Yeah. Yeah. They both had such big character moments last week, you know, grey worm with Masan day talking about their retreat in obviously Brienne being knighted. And then I mean, great, actually like, it's always it's a good thing because it kind of would have been corny if they had those character. And then they immediately died it would have been like almost like too on the nose. But but yes, in that respect, I guess I like it. Okay. Stephen we have three episodes left in this entire series. I expect next week is going to be another episode of setting the table for a climactic, which I think is taking place in five. And then it sounds like that episode six might be a lot of cleanup. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's that's that sounds like a great three episodes to anticipate. It sounds like a lot of fun and a lot of misery a lot of tragedy. Okay. Anything else that you want to say about tonight's episode? Yeah. I really. I liked when the night king controlled the weather. I thought that was a really cool moment where like the dragons take to the sky, and it seems like, wow, the good guys have got air superiority they've got fire on their side. They're like burning up the armies of the dead, boom. The night king brings in like the deadly frost win tornado. Yeah. And then and that was pretty cool. Yeah. So many different things. I'm sure we will get into on our feedback show as well. Looking forward to getting into your questions. I definitely need to go back and watch this all again geo t at post show, recaps dot com, you also leaves a voicemail post show. Recaps dot com slash voicemail. Sure. Josh is going to be inundated. But I'm sure you can also send him a tweet as well. Too at round Howard. Also, go to game or post show. Recaps dot com slash feedback. All right. Steven are you gonna be able to sleep tonight? I I mean, I mean I will be both in. A mental turmoil and physical pain. Okay. Are you doing? Okay. All right. That's fine. All right. Thanks, everybody. Who joins us live. I after all this exciting. I know it's a late night on the east coast with all this, can you believe Stephen three weeks from tonight game of thrones. We'll be over. Oh my God. That's wild will know. We'll know what happened. You know? There's no way that what we knowing. We'll be better more fun than -ticipant. Yeah. Such is life. Stephen who's on the iron throne at the end of all of this. We're halfway through this final season. I mean, I'm with you. I don't think there will be an iron throne. Yeah. The John and Danny tension this week took a back seat to everything that was going on. Do you think that now in the light of day, we revisit the big development that John shared with Danny last week? Yeah. I do think. So I think like they, you know, there was a lot of tension with Danny from everyone right from San. So there was tension with Danny. With with John. There was tension. It would have been weird for them to be like bickering over right? Like who was whose daughter Bernice when when the army of the dead were coming, and I think they they probably will establish that. And I thought that that sort of Tyrian Sansa MS Sanday seen maybe kind of was like little nod to that those tensions than existing without them sort of taking over the battle. Okay. All right. Stephen a great job. Thanks everybody for joining us live. We will be back mid week with Josh Wigley for the game of thrones feedback show. Be sure to follow everything the Josh's doing over on T HR dot com slash game of thrones. They care. You have a good one. Bye. Tonight's episode of post show. Recaps is sponsored by friends over at truecar every car comes with shares stories that dean your bumper. When you nervously picked up your first state that luxury package, you got that big promotion or the miles. 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#57  And Now Our Watch Has Ended

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#57 And Now Our Watch Has Ended

"Hey everyone and welcome back to fam- cast this episode fifty seven. I'm trevor and I'm here with Tim today to me. It is you and yesterday was was the end of an era. We finally got the the final episode. The series finale of game of thrones and I don't know I know people are torn on it. It people are torn on it. Most people hate it. Yeah you're right. That's a better way to put it. I was trying to be nice middle road. You're right. I'd say I'd say a good number of people don't like I'm definitely seen people that do Vietnam yeah but I mean end of an airman like it. You spent the past what eight or nine years with the show nine years because he skipped one so yup nine years right. That's crazy so yeah. I guess if you consider that skinnier that's that's a long time for a T._v.. Show not not to say that others have gone on that long because they definitely have on Sims walking walking dead southbound south part while I I would consider something where like the actors like how actual story not just made up yeah yeah yeah like you could say I still watch walking dead. Come fight me. There's a good maybe all get the things need to come to an end at some point right so I I don't know I it's tough for any series to end right like nobody wants something that they've loved for the past nine years to just stop happening. I I think that's what makes innings always so bad. It's not so much. The inning was bad. It's that you don't want to end so no matter. How the ending gets to your Matt I would agree? I think endings like anyone's going to have a rough time having a good good reception to an Indian just because people are going to be like oh well. I wanted to know more about this. I wanted to to see what happens to this character. In ten years like yeah we WanNa see where these characters go. Oh but at the same time you need wrap it up at some point but yeah I mean the onset the perfect ending but that's a whole separate discussion right yeah. I mean some some polit- often some some like this or a little little tougher because because we've we've seen these characters oh man. I don't want to get off on tangent but we've seen these characters develop for better or worse whether that character development goes anywhere or not is a different story <hes> yeah I think being you're on the same page actually yeah <hes> so just as a maybe as an overall. You know I'll save that for the end let's go. Let's save overall just because we might change your minds a little bit so let's let's start with in. I guess I should put this out there spoilers head for for those that haven't watched or want to watch. We're going to be talking about everything game of thrones so as as far as I'm trying to think where to start so who easy question for you to who did you think would end up on the iron thrown. Let's let's say about four season eight even started before works season eight even started. I'll tell you before before season eight even started. I knew it wasn't going to be Danny. Okay now. That would've been too obvious right. <hes> I thought I mean it's hard hard because like the obvious choice for me would have been John because at the end of season eight you find out or anything the season seven you find out that he's the actual last Kharian right on the rightful heir but honestly honestly I was voting for injury. I really like that was like like I'm like okay. I don't want to choose the too obvious option rights to Arias. So who would it be so he was probably the one house I think it would. I think he could do well so that's that's who I chose. Okay that when that's interesting <hes> I mean myself I I'm in the same. Do I wanted to see John <hes> it more of a out of out of duty right not because he wanted it but and because because you want it right that would make him the best for the position <hes> that's that's the way it and I think that's why brands are good controversy aside. I think brands a good choice because he's so detached detached. He's not in it for like for power money women like he's. He's going to be there to build a better future right and they have offspring so there's no they can't keep they have to choose a new ruler and and if someone's lying to him he will yeah right so I could do it. Dare I so I think that's why both of both John and brand are good choices just because neither of them want it and they they just have a good moral compass. There's lots of good choices. I think that's the thing like there were decent amount of good choices but all of them had flaws like Brazier sure and probably the least amount just because he's like you said he's so separated from everything and he has a good story to have offspring so they can't. There's reason he's he's the best for the people right. I the one I tell you what if they would've just cut this line if they would've just cut this line line out of the whole last episode. I would've felt better about it because I'm okay with it. I'm not opposed to it but when he said why. Do you think I came all this way. I thought process like okay. So how much did you know like young like I didn't. I was under the impression he gets the future. I was under the impression that he could see a pass the president that's what I thought this man was playing the long con- like he he knew what he knew what he was doing. I don't think he can. I don't know what the accent I'm not going to say. I know exactly what the extent of his powers are a home but yeah I mean he definitely knew what was going on right like two of so smart ass line. I just went to the thing that I keep coming back to is when they said that he was king in the North because John John Who's moving onto other things so now it's now it's up to two brand and and brand-new o- on the thread Raven I can't you know that's that's not me anymore but now all of a sudden when you're offered to be oh well of course that's why I'm here so I don't know I still still stand by. I think he's a good choice. <hes> here's an interesting one at the very least with it. I WAS NOT UPSET I I'm not I'm not mad about the decision. He was definitely not on my radar at all until they got like not on my side no <hes> can we talk about Robin for a minute just a small minute minute like a tiny. ITTY bitty minute just have grown UP IS I. I was like I'm sitting here. Watching this band been had no idea who he was like the look at this guy right here so grown a hated him as a child still hate him now but look at him yeah like seemed a little more composed Jeez composed like it was like it almost not drink and breast milk from his mom anymore. He's all this is probably probably so would be if he if she was so you you brought up the council and that's that's another interesting point because because there are a lot of a lot of people there that <hes> I don't know I wasn't really sure why won't say a lot like the Dornoch <hes> the Dornoch house like I don't know who's in charge urge of dohrn because like all their heirs are gone right. They killed <hes> the Prince Killed Oberlin. I don't so I don't know who that person was. I don't know if they like chose somebody else seat. I would much rather seen one of the sand sisters take the lead. Are they live. They were imprisoned last or they all dead. No they're not all dead right well. I know one of them died with her mom because she was poisoning. Yeah I remember that <hes> I don't maybe well so I I didn't even think about that BEF- before this. That's a that's a good point I yeah I think they're all dead. We'll never mind the so they went to war or something right like they went to yeah they because they captured the shit was one yeah certainly one so regardless this who no idea who who's ruling dohrn right now so I wish I'd have a better understanding as far as maybe who's ruling over each house <hes> there's lots of things keeping track when you're watching there are yeah there are <hes> it was good to see Sam's Sam there at the end of the council because he's the he's the head of his house now which is awesome right like good good but yeah I guess not sucks but he's got <hes>. He's got Gillian Little Sam so he's going to be living jive. Oh Yeah a little John on the way and that'll be that'll be the actual air right right Yep so that'll be house yeah so it was cool to see everyone kind of come together at the end and I like Tyrian speech where he was telling everyone that bridging that was a couple of weeks by by the way between him being captured him going. I remember I remember. He said that there's a couple of weeks between that yeah like it was very like on telling so right now. Suture brings up a good point since he's the grand maistre wouldn't be head of the Dow technically Charley Right he was now he's not but speaking of the tellies that was probably one of my a favorite parts of the the whole council meeting there when I forget his first name but saunas uncle stands up and he's trying to make his claim like going off on this rain and sons just like uncle police it down right it was here we don't. We don't have time for jokes right that we're we're trying to make make an adult decision here right. That was hilarious <hes> so I'm trying to think what also let's try to backtrack. Let Start. Let's start because this is like a whole was just like we're. There's nothing season eight right. I mean we'll more I mean just the series as a whole Howitt wrapped up so let's talk about up too big things churn star Star with one one that was a little bit earlier about the fight though the winter L. The nineteen paddle right thing right part so this whole series series from episode one literally led up to that fight right there yeah that by it was disappointing. It was <hes> Roy ordinarily disappointing yeah and I don't think it's I don't think it was the episode itself. I think it was the fact that it will so rushed and I think you could say the same about this. Whole season that the the content itself wasn't terrible? I don't think but it it just didn't follow the same flow the same name it didn't follow the same cadences the rest of the season like there was just a completely different <hes> <hes> flow to the season because everything they had to get everything out in six episodes. I think that it definitely worked against them. Because my issue with that fight is that we got that whole fight was a bunch of dead bodies like fighting people. That's literally all that basically was dead fighting people <hes> <hes> Neil piles of it. It was crazy and I wasn't crazy. It was really gnarly. We got the <hes> what's the best part of the whole thing might have been like <hes> the red we'll know the one girl who stabbed the giant in the I o <hes> more hormone lady lady like she was great that was great <hes> there was some good parts and everything but like overall versus. What was the night kings like guys doing like his like whatever his people his main people he calls? I mean I'll tell her call. At this point his what the hell ever so those are my understanding is the because I know we always use the term white walkers but it's my understanding that the the risen or just called whites and and the white walkers are the ones the okay so what like that was so disappointing like yeah. There were cool parts in it so there were and I was I was okay with a lot of things about it but like when you look like what were they. What do we think literally did nothing? They did nothing they were buying and that's it yeah they. They didn't do everything <hes> are they. They didn't do anything <hes> for the the episode to your point that we're really cool parts to the matter like you definitely had me on edge like that whole episode like I'm on edge so much shit's going down but it just happened to quick like this should have been in like a couple a couple episodes like like to minimum if not if not more because like you said you built up from episode one season one all the way to now in this just over and they kept talking about how it's like the biggest fight <hes> battle of any movie are slash whatever like it was bigger than one Lord of the rings right and but it wasn't as good it was longer sure but it wasn't as good like it just it felt it felt like the same thing on repeat like every ten minutes. It was the same thing on repeat unless your body's let's show the dead doing something but show someone in trouble. Let show this person gets saved and repeal the show bodies studies that show them finding someone. Let's make it movement old. They gotta get pushed back. which so someone in trouble? Let's get saved and repeat like I don't know probably the most unique like I think I'd I don't know I liked it a little bit more than I think you did like I enjoyed the epic scenes like when they let the the trench on fire and when you see the when you see the author Aki like run out there like that's the first thing that happens is you see him run out into this nothingness and then all of us like the torch is just all go out which that whole part lost. It's like like meaning one. Oh Yeah Iraqi we're back in the next episode like that was the whole point that go Dan. They're all dead yeah. It was very misleading eating. Yes this is extraordinary misleading for sure I agree with that it. It did kind of lose it such because when you see all those little flames out you're like there wouldn't like half the army might what what's going to happen now. Actually Eh my favorite part was the on that was probably my him and his little Inter Inter Inter action with with brand that whole thing was probably my favorite here good man theon yeah that was good that was that was a good that was a good death movie or in the show I don't I don't have a I definitely don't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem with Aria being the one. Sunday kills the night chain no problem with except for the fact that was too simple. That's my issue is how simple was I wouldn't mind. I didn't care who it was always a bad ass to simple them like this. Guy's been around for who knows how long and again no one saw her. no-one did anything from that angle makes no sense if you go back and look at it. There's a lot to it like that. Yeah trying to make logic out of show like this but you kind of have to I don't so I'm definitely not one the people out there that saying like Oh sign this position in ham recreate season eight the like so many people worked hard to make this and I think it's very easy to criticize and say how how I would have done this differently but it's not it's not your creative vision. It's there's right right so you you can't you can't you can't tell someone that the way that they created this is wrong. If you went into an art gallery and you know this artist has all their their paintings up in your like Oh. I don't like that one I would have this way right. Yeah like okay well. Did you gallery across the street in fucking in yourself right now and I completely agree with it. I'm one hundred percent for this. Is the writer show. You don't really you might not like what happens but guess what that's not your damn choice hundred percent down with that you show your support with your money right. If if you really want to show that hey I don't I don't like the I mean. It's a little late at this point and there's not really a whole lot you can do you pay with your with your dollar right and I agree but that doesn't mean that we can't criticize the things that make no sense. No I think it's it's definitely okay sorry I maybe I was misleading. I think it's okay to to criticize but I don't think it's okay to say that the way they did. That was wrong right. I the white walkers should have had a bigger part in it and I think that's fair to say and I think I'm not and I'm okay with Aria. Killing the nineteen hundred percent okay I mean it was kind of expected. She had some big thing to happen right. I just wish we would have gotten I would like maybe they would have shown the again. It's their view their visions where it came out of nowhere. I get that point like Oh shit. It's about having Oh well are you right that was the moment but like you like she'd left and after I watched it like Dang's made eight cents like after I watched it in the red woman said what she did Aria and about the eyes of blue like again like okay so that's that was that was kind of the hand as to what's going. I just wish it wouldn't have been so out of nowhere as much as it was a cool everything but I I'd like a little bit of logic to like Oh. This is what happened. You know sure so people are trying to argue that John is saying go at the dragon like yelling at oriented go which is complete bullshit in my opinion like if you like four times and see he's clearly just yelling at the dragon to you. That's what's happened like legit thing. It's online people were trying to say that he sees Aria running. He's like no no I don't. I don't agree with that. <hes> I think I'm not trying to sound hypocritical because I feel like I'm. I just said that it's you don't go into. I'll just keep bringing bringing it back to the art gallery <hes> you don't go in and tell someone like I don't like the way you did this. I would I would have made differently. I don't think it's fair to attack the creators of the show <hes> and to say that they're they're doing something wrong. I think that we can have discussions like this. I don't know I. I don't know if I'm getting go make a multi-million dollar T._v.. Show and change it the way you wanted to make your own stories the way to do it like I don't think people will appreciate the the amount of work in time that like hundreds of thousands of people put into two shows like this like I might not like the outcome of certain people in one person in particular like definitely one person in particular right very disciplined with the outcome but that doesn't accept it yeah. I mean like it happened happened. I can't say it didn't happen. I watched it happened. It's they're the only thing that can change that is of J._R.. Martin makes his book ever and then I can go off like maybe we get game of thrones brotherhood out of this. You know I keep seeing like you've seen that online like feelers waiting for game of thrones Brotherhood but like it's whatever I accepted for what it is. I don't get it to be disappointed doesn't mean I don't get to be we like upset about things but it is what it is sure. I mean that just shows yeah. I'm not gonNA write. Giora Giora Giora Jor was a good one. That was a good scene where he defended his queen to the the end sure yeah so I think I think so much happened so quickly lost. Its impact like the deaths didn't really like asks me look like I'll never forget the way I felt watching the red wedding like that like I was like I was clutching the couch like I was like there's no way this is happening right now but those this whole season isn't like every time there's a death. I'm like Oh man waiting for it. Yeah and I don't know maybe that's maybe that's I don't know so. Maybe it's just the expectations were that it's the final season lots of people are going to die so you're eyestone. You were just expecting it yeah. I don't know so the battle into foul to kind of wrap this up this part of it like to me. It wasn't okay episode. It was neat it. It was gorgeous. I didn't have a problem with darkness like I personally didn't have an issue with the darkness part that people were complaining about the the like there were a lot of things to take away from it but the actual battle itself the battle itself other than a few parts like the the things getting lit up and all that jazz people like sacrificing themselves to make a bridge like you know there are parts that were neat but overall battle of how how epic this could have been because of like because of the lack of Whitewater interaction I felt I miss like in my opinion so if I was to give that battle a rating I'd give it like a six out of him okay yeah. I think that was the the last episode that I the last episode that I really enjoyed that. In the sense that I really felt something because the the past episodes like I felt like I just kinda watched and they're like once it was over just like went back to doing whatever I was doing right whereas there have been some game episodes so we're like it'll end in the credits roll and I'm just like right. What did I just watch? What the hell the score in that episode was really good to various? Bentley with the Nike was like approaching brand an like an intense. That was intense so let's let's maybe if you're okay. Maybe let's dive into like characters specifics amid with how how they ended up <hes> so let's let's. Let's talk about Jamie Lancaster. Let's talk about Jimmy Laser because I'm pretty sure we're on the same page there and then we can dive into some others. What was the point? What was the the point of giving this man in my opinion one of the one of the best character developments of the series? I think Jamie like my personal. Favorite is tyrian ever since the beginning right and he always was sure. I think Jamie for the show was the best this character like I would have. The best character ARC hands down was the was once so they gave this man disagree character development. You know you start off hated him. You you see kind of turnaround. You see like the gears turning like you know maybe he might change gears and then the stuff happens with with Bryanne and then all of a sudden he leaves her like has that that one special night with their leaves her she's balling brokenhearted and part of me the clown that I am. I'm like you know what he he's actually just going to kill her. We this this this is a realization station for him like I need to needs a you know that was his turning point like that. That's what pushed him over to what he needed to out because like sursee just killed people just took down this miss Sunday all this stuff and he finds us out so you're just like okay. He knows she's gone too far and he needs he can get into that castle himself and he needs to take care of this. As much as you might not want to consider. He knows what needs to be done. Yeah it was disappointed. Man Like is <music> Lake very disappointed like he just he just went back to die with his shitty sister in a buck and dirty pirate killed him basically like well God like that dude ever was not a fan of your on at all and you don't like in the worst part was like he was like a huge news do as he was dying because he got stabbed by Jamie Lancaster like a boss because he went for the kill shot. Not Aside pokes buck bucket but you killed them in with one hand. I feel good killed by a man with one in. How do you feel mommy but like that's the killer part like so? I've right up a lot of people just like. It's the show you that he could never change. It's a show you that Jamie was always Jamie. It's a show you that he no matter what chose a sister above all else and after he slept with Brie and he looked over at her and was like nope can't do this need to go back to her and I'm just like then they did a really shit job the show that my God yeah like you don't. I don't know if you're and I feel like I'm starting to be one of the people that I'm I'm for Jamie. It's okay I'm trying to be critical in a constructive since ideas. I don't know I I'm not here to just shit on the show because I enjoyed. I let me maybe clear that up. I enjoyed the past nine years very much very much. The the shell the time what's that gave me something look forward to every Oh yeah and looking back on the the entire eight seasons definitely enjoyed it. I would still recommend it to someone you know like even if you take away like season eight entirely they're still lots of stories. You can enjoy their suture. Suture says love is the death of duty those definitely one of the one of my favorite lines of above the last night so so it is the thing like it. Let's say let's say he did decide that you know. He just loved his sister more than anything right now so let's give him that because he did. He did a lot of stupid things for his sister throughout the whole show and every time he thought that he he he did he also raped her next to the corpse of their son. So right terrible things are but the point being that's how much he loved his sister right so he loved his sister sterlite. Just bear with me okay. I'm baron with you so he decides that he need like all the stuff but then he went to winter fell right to save defend the city essentially save sursee from from the he went there to defend his sister even though she was being a bitch you're right so that happened did all these things a brand nine and bring all these things to make it awesome that was great and lead up to this moment that everybody buddy wanted. Everybody wanted that. Everyone was shipping together like that's that's where everybody wanted and like even even if you want okay so my thought was even if he wanted to go back to a sister right and all that you're going to have this man die vile pile of fucking rocks like really I would have been happier if they just escaped went away like fucking cruel but now I saw I've I've read a few the things that people have said about that because I think the majority of people way insurgency died by basically the just the all the architecture like crumbling above them. People said Oh she got off easy. You know it should have been like along painful death and I think it's easy to say that but if you look closer like she she died terrified right she was like she she died terrified almost alone like she. She thought she was alone for a while there so I think seen her in denial like she she was definitely denial. When the city was being torn down right she was like oh just the the scorpions? We'll take down the dragon. There's no more scorpions. It's okay <hes> then. What else did she say? Oh the ships the absolutely gets find the ships will get them <hes>. There's no more ships either right and then like you can kind of start to see like the the change interface because she's got a very stoic look pretty much the whole time. I'm very confident on the outside but I think on the inside. She realizes that she lost and to see her like finally break because I don't think there's very many times that you see see your break like that. Maybe the last time before this was in the <hes> what's his name. The the the bird not the bird. What's his name the old man the High Spero oh I is that his name High Spero I know the Spero payroll guy the old man the guy that worked in the Septum he this is a win? Marjorie was in there the guy that's working with the shame girl. Oh a Guy Spiro right yeah yeah book that guy he yet. I spent so much time trying to explain to you. I don't remember where my train of thought Oh. It was the last time that she'd really broken that much like to see her like breakdown so I don't know I think it's I think she got a <hes>. She definitely got a pretty soul is not physically painful death best athletes and emotional so let's talk about her for a second okay so this series this season you had to big bads. You had the Nike then yet. Sirsi the terrific bats. Both of them died like kind of bitches like I'm just GONNA throw it out there. They like in my opinion. They kind at a died in like just like a non a non dramatic way to an extent like yes the night king had that moment with Aria and it was cool when he called her and there is the thing those cool but there wasn't a battle the realistically between like there wasn't like seriously I I get that Sir it was it was an interesting take to show that search just no match for dinners. That was the whole point of that. I would have been more okay with it if it didn't show how easy one of the dragons could die Scorpions episode before because the fact they just walking missed like you're serious right. Now you have more Scorpions than anything in any other episode and none of you can hit this dragon like yeah and it it'd be so with that scene in particular it'd be another other thing and I remember wrong because it's not like I just watched the episode but I'm pretty sure that they see the ships and then the dragon gets shot so it's not like even caught it by surprise right. Do you think I'm remembering that correctly. No he got hit I so because they're lying there just fly around boom. He gets hit okay. I thought they like they showed the ships around the Rock and then he got shot okay. That's just me smack because I was going to say if that's the case like like they. They know that they're there and he's still gets hit <hes> but still I get. I guess you can make the you can make the debate that it's drogue on and maybe he's the more more powerful and agile your target. Yeah I don't know man like trying to justify to like okay. They were stormtroopers for the night. Whatever that's cool whip OPTIMA yeah but we're just service? It's performance anxiety sure moving past that tom the whole like everything else from that so seriously died and I think a terrible stupid way but I I accept. I accept everybody's death because they wrote the show. Jamie's is the probably the death I'm the most disappointing join just not even so much the death as just like his took a story and we don't need that anymore maybe of his story art. I don't know but that's not fair. It is but it's not what the that's not what it was leading up and maybe maybe it's our fault like you know very much so maybe from like the the first the first season when ned stark dies in through everyone if through Everett off because we're like shows don't kill the main character like what's going on here right <hes> so maybe that's our fault for thinking that this show would follow traditional <hes> storytelling <hes> or are are they doing these things on purpose to throw us off. They don't really care about the store. What would really throw them for a loop? Oh what Jamie just didn't give a fuck okay. Let's do that. You know what I mean yeah. I'm interested in the thought process there that you know you build up a character for eight seasons and then all of a sudden. You're just like up well. He actually never <hes> all they care that <hes> that development there were just gonNA throw it out the window. He's just going back to a sister that he's always loved right. Maybe there's some deep. Maybe there's some deep philosophical meaning there that I'm just too stupid to understand or appreciate that very well could be I just I'm not for a man. Let's let's move past. The Lancaster's <hes> released Jamie insurgency so let's talk about a Generis. I'm just going to go for the big ones man go for it so when that when when they were talking that will episode was <hes> well. Let's start with Tyrian and and John Right so that whole episode start off pretty crazy because we're not crazy I mean it was what it is and it was great especially. When John Found John found the guy the gray worm they're going to murder the soldiers and that whole thing right that was it was intriguing but when when Tyrian the balls on that man went out there and was she was freed your brother energies in use slaughter to city city and took his bike? I was just clapping hands man so just like the balls on that man good on him so then they go and they talk. One of my favorite lines is now various. Ashes can tell my ashes look. I was right rate still always keeping that humor grind always keeping that humor and he he he just the truth bombs he launches on John Killed Me to see John was still fighting for her still like he's been wrong yeah. That's smart like he knows he's wrong but also like towards the end there because you can you can tell like he's definitely thinking on it right like he's definitely taking tyrian saints on it ever since she went crazy on the servicer but I don't know like whenever he'd say like she's still my queen right. I'm like come on dude like Porta means just hoping that he's just saying that because like maybe someone's listening or this is what intrigues me okay so he goes into the room with the narrowness Deniro like googling her thing so throne room that throne room right and they started talking and Hugh clearly can tell John one is giving her a chance. He's asking the questions in the moment. She says they don't have a choice or whatever I however it was that's when you know it clicked that he had the she was. She was the mad queen yeah like He. He win their heels like this this. Is it like this is. This is the last chance this is it. I'm going to see what you say because she wants to she likes she said she was that the war wasn't over until she controlled the world mortar sure her idea of liberating. I and I think anyone else's idear two completely different things right like it's not a synonym for murder right right so they do the thing he it was kind of cliche that it happened the way because that's the happens a lot as soon as like the camera just like showed both of them side by side and he's like crying. He's like you're my queen now in always I'm like here we go. I'M NOT GONNA lie though I did definitely Kathleen jump out on my couch excitement when I heard like I i. I'm not going to say that I didn't it's always easier to look back in hindsight and be like Oh yeah like you know right but yeah in the moment I was like Oh my Gosh John Get get your head out of your God is the moment up on the floor rolling around. I was so excited the death of duty like duty his death so here's here's the intriguing part about this okay. John is an honorable man much bother knit what got ned killed in the first season be telling telling secrets that he shouldn't being an honorable man to in Kentucky Moravian right yeah he was honored. You shouldn't have been telling people what he was doing bright yes so what did John have to do to save the Kingdom honor now betrays Queen <hes> yeah interesting little in there don't you. I actually enjoyed the last episode for the most part like episode side. I did enjoy the last last episode. I really legitimately did I was okay with everyone hated that. I was okay with it to where I went on facebook. You could see like I don't. I don't type on facebook the day after you've I still won't post anything like crazy not that person but like Oh. Oh my God the amount of hate right afterwards yeah well. It just goes back to like like what we were saying. It's hard for anyone to be happy that something's ending so I do WanNa touch on on Joe but <hes> <hes> to to talk about a little bit more. Can we talk about this scene. It might be catch that by the way really I did not catch that until I saw like a post about it I was like oh my gosh. That's when I saw that was like all oh my gosh. That's that's such a powerful shot that was so good short-lived oh for sure but like as John someone that like is already having these slots walking up these steps with her army behind you and that's your sides to see that that's your like walking up to just like I don't know it's very <hes> very symbolic so I think I think the nurse had great intentions tensions in poor execution. I think you know originally she wanted to. She wanted to liberate the world right she she wanted to claim her rightful place and she wanted to be loved by the people and she never her. She was never going to get that and I think she saw that. When she came to the North for the first time that she wasn't going to be someone like John who not only is the rightful heir but is also loved by the people so I think that was definitely a part of her going mad? <hes> I blood. Apparently I am glad so does John <hes> I am. I am glad that regardless of how it happened. The wheel is finally broken right so she she got her. She got her wish in the wheel is broken. There's no more there's no more <hes> one house. One one bloodline headline rule in for hundreds of years kind of brain Branston King of six kingdoms just not seven because winter fell separated nothing good now. It's great no no. I'm not saying it's bad. It's the wheels broken rain's GonNa be a good king for what they need is not going to be as bullshit right. Here is not focusing right now for whatever reason go but like the he likes. She got what she wanted but she just me and she killed so many people for no reason yeah it just I mean yeah and so the whole the whole mad queen thing I feel like it was really shoehorned in there like it was just kind of like oh by the way we're just GonNa you know that whole thing that she was saying she wasn't going to do our just GonNa throw it in there oh she she did it now. She's she's mad because she saw friend die right like I think I think they tried to justify. Having so much happened to her once like her best friend is will to over best friends die really right Giora and Masan Day. She's lost two of the three of her dragons. I'm not saying she hasn't gone through loss but I don't think that's enough to justify the the mad queen snap so quickly so I will say like actually sursee had more to justify that than than Deniro's but I will say that only God words. I had a whole thing I was going to say. It's just gone now. We're talking about the nearest outs gone so I don't know anymore. I just saw George are Martin told the writers where he wanted the books to go right he gave them like an outline of this is kind of my vision of how it's going to go. He didn't shave them the the details of how it was going to get there so I like the overall outcome was probably how it's going to be in the books if those ever exists which they won't but you know what I think that the overall outcomes going to be about saying the how about that gets there though will probably be extraordinarily different sure because I can see see that happening so again like I'm okay with what we have. I actually I was thrilled at Tyrian lived. I was super thrilled that the guy I picked from the get-go live the whole way through and not he has a good position. He's got the perfect position for himself he does and I. I like the way that brand justified it that you know like that's his his way of getting justice was you've done. You've done this wrong and you're gonNA make it right <hes> to to satisfy five gray worm. I don't know I just and I know that there's there's definitely people out there that say that you know. She has been going mad for so long but I don't know I feel like we we get evidence on the opposite side like she she definitely does they even hit on this points to where she's done some pretty pretty crazy things right like she crucified all the Sheila to remotely the best of her. I sure that's where it comes into Kinda temper those emotions right I they mentioned that a few times but even then pass this time because of her her emotions like but I never saw her being. This is mad queen like yeah she let her emotions. Maybe get the best of her but that that's not to say that she's mad right or at least met in the sense that I think of it it just it just felt kind of she warned in there she she wanted to show that even though even with a surrender it wasn't enough and that she has the power and she wants to destroy her and that's what she did and that's not a good sign. It's about sign I did like Eh. The drug on destroyed the iron thrown. I saw coming from season one like I'm not even joking like I thought from season one after it's like okay so the whole win. This show ends is not going to be an iron thrown they're going to this is going to be broken. Something's going to happen there. Were that's GonNa be thing like no joke but even if you think back to shit I'm I think it was season. One where <hes> <hes> the crown of gold thing with with her brother was the yeah like she was pretty like she's pretty cold air like pretty emotionless right. I feel like we would have seen something there. I don't know I'm going to get off that topic. <hes> Dr Dive in debt to deep but like I mean he was a terrible person. She knew it like at still that Ciller brother though right right it's just like just like how tearing like like both of his siblings were pretty shitty you but that doesn't mean he's not going to be emotional about losing them but if his her brother dies guess who gets thrown right amazing how that sits in how that works right just throw that out there like down for sure he's a bad person and if he dies I get to be the Queen <hes> Shit. What was I gonNA so I wanted? I wanted to touch on well. Sorry go loyd. No no no go ahead. I was gonNA bring a whole another thing so you go. I was GONNA talk about John's while I was going to bring up a whole nother John so <hes> I like. I like John's Indian not not in the sense that I love that they sent Mboya. He's not with anyone but I think the north is where he belongs. I think he has a lot of item. I think that's where he wants to be and I it's my interpretation that when he leaves like he's going North beyond wall. He's he's going there for good. That's why I think everybody thinks he's he's not like just going out on one hundred something with his friends like he'd like he's not going back to castle black like that's where he's been in the rest of his days leaving even hint that they're the winter's over because you see a little green like yeah lower little thing <hes> so no. I think everybody interpreted interpreted that way because that's just let's that's where he belongs. That's that's what he knows. He knows that life better than a lot of people and he's good at that life and yes. He has a good friend with them. He's a great leader for those people. He joined do what he can like. He's just a good person and let's face it. The free folk they need wild wings. They can use the help they're good at what they do <hes> but it's always good to have a person who's just who knows every side of it like he knows a beyond the wall he knows the he no he knows and he's just a good person. I was honestly not a fan of Sonza until this season and she really fucking stepped her game up so yes she she went through a lot of crazy character development to write like she starts off the the series pretty annoying right very like <hes> like Aria gets in trouble with joffrey and gets gets on his dog killed and you know she's. I don't know she's just doing a lot of annoying things but then you see her <hes> like with Joffrey and you know like you start to feel bad for for now <hes> and it it just gets worse from their neighbors like she goes from Joffrey to Ramsey like she just this girl cannot catch a break right but finally she's back home and you can tell the once she's he's back home. She hasn't changed person. She is like she's to where she's talking bad even to John like yeah and I I'll agree like I some some of that got to be a little not annoying but it frustrating. I'm like you like at at the time like John. John had everyone's best interest in Mariah think and she was kind of not not speaking to him in. <hes> like maybe like a private manner just like out in the open in front of the people that <hes> look up to him as the king in the north which makes them look weak and I don't know like it kills because when you go back washes like well. She's not wrong like Oh yeah. I hate her for it because you're you're. You're talking about my boy John but I guess technically she's not wrong and everything that we know now for sure right. She's easily. The smartest smartest starts like she's smart and I don't think it if you would've guessed from like season one. I don't think anyone would have guessed that she would have. She would have become like the strategists that she became. Did she good. She learned a lot from little finger does she did. She sure did so yeah. I'm I'm happy with the way that she ended in in <hes> that she pointed that out the brand like good on her like she's like look. I love your brother but I mean moral more or less. Winter Bells going to be a dumping in Brandon says yeah okay like with like a gives it to her house a great those good on her to give winter fell what they need separation from that bullshit without belittling her brother Yeah. It's still her brother. I still confused that Aspen whatever brain the broken brand that would a name which I don't understand how that works too because it's he's definitely not the first like brandon stark but they said I of his name so do you like titles count like if like because he's the first brain the broken thy makes first of his name was assume because like that's the only that's the only explanation but it just seems weird like why would you go off of some made up title. I don't know man rude to do there. Is there is a mean <hes> there was hilarious. It was just like I might have sent it has actually was disclosure slake. Jamie's King slayer Jamie the kings layers so good they he tried to kill the king eight years in Oh yeah yeah those hilarious yeah. I saw you post that those good <hes> not I'm <hes> I'm interested to see all will not because we won't but I'd be interested why brand was asking about drug on like obviously because it's a road dragon you WanNa make sure he doesn't come back and try and get revenge but I'd be interested to see like if anything came from that like if drug on goes to like old the leary or something and maybe there's more dragon eggs and he's he becomes like the leader of his brewed he resurrects dinners yeah and then she throws wants to write. Aria is an Aria and her twenty for her hers. Hers is probably one of my one of my favorites. They won't be good just because she becomes so bad ass and I like occur her explanation of like what she wants to do that she wants to see like no one knows where the rest of West rose makes complete sense. She's not someone like as much as lady her. No as much as everybody wanted to eric injury like I I didn't I did like I'm okay with her choice that bits her more hundred percent or more should not speaking spin offs like that could very very well be a spin off an Aria spinoff. She's GonNa love their you know the other places that we I haven't seen <hes> I know we're getting a prequel about the nineteen basically prequel thing that I think yeah something along those lines which is good because right now nineteen which is to joke like at least give me something as to what the hell the whole point of this was like. Why was he after all this stuff? There's there's re things. I need to know <hes> but yeah I'm trying to. We've gone over a lot of the characters. WHO HAVE WE missed? who were the like some of the key ones? We've missed. I mean we hit all the the pig ones on the hand of the mountain that was that was pretty emotional to watch. I'm happy we got the fight because I've been rooting for that fight ever since we were gain bowl which was great. I think as much so here's how really felt about that as much as I wanted to see the fuck his brother up I mean logically wasn't GonNa Happen. Logically what we saw happen was probably going to happen like this is pumped through a filled with Zombie super serum stuff that dude like just Asia whoever's out the best that was frigging quaver the hound and Arias moment might be one of my favorite moments to in the whole series. Oh when the how talk to her that may have easily been one of my favorite moments in the whole series because like that was very different for R._e._I.. At that point her life for her dog do that like for him to say that tour I mean do that was chills now like as you know he cared about her. I'll Yup and he she even she even grew to care about him like that was crazy and as much as it was kind of weird like <hes> and take you off the thing man it was a logical thing like it made sense so I sure the mountain can still be alive though fucker guy right this yeah just a hand command right. I feel like the only way to kill them would be cut us off right right. I mean Zombie rules. Maybe and then his head he got stabbed in the like almost for sure like winter was brain writing right but he did a good one. I mean that's a pretty much all the big. We didn't really touch on Bryanne. <hes> we did a little bit. When Jamie Book was amazing? Yeah right in the book was good. They'll say good. Danes defending is good on her that she thinks that speaks a lot more to bring him than it does to dream but one hundred percent shows how just good in genuine person she is <music>. I'm I'm glad she became the <hes> the leader the Kings guard Jesus. She's a bath she like. Who else would you have right? Do pod became a night. Yes the group meeting and what's his face abroad his many titles yeah. He's a master of coin. The the the Lord of High Gordon. The whole council meeting was awesome late getting. I didn't like the part where they lifted tyrian out of the book like I get that it was like Haha like Oh. You're not there at all but like like no that's fucked up you. Bring it back to the citadel. You haven't rewrite it right like do you kind of a fucking big deal. He's a big deal. Oh Yeah and who knows brand might not have been elected if it wasn't for one hundred percent wouldn't have been somewhat your fortune come on because they're getting the short end in that state right. I guess we didn't really touch Ontario. Neither did we like. We brought them up a few times but he was perfect. I don't like I don't know he'd he survived. He became hand. He's he's living out his his sentences like what he does. So happy with tearing happy was seen him he became grand maistre even awesome. I don't understand how he became grand maistre with just one chain <hes> but I guess I guess it's up to brand on what he does him right. I mean I'm happy with John. I'm having the Aria. I'm happy songs moving fucking. I love what happened to Tyrian and I'm okay brand like I was listening game of stark straight. Definitely every aspect of things right now still is really a stark anymore. Oh Yeah I mean I think he is like maybe he is in name at least right. He is a name that is true so weird. He's going to be staring at everybody. What what do you think happened to author? Aki like you see you see him. At the end of they're just like hanging out at the docs and just like Joan like that doesn't seem like something that that doesn't really evoke yeah very cultured now very very culture. I think that's pretty like we didn't touch on grey worm but you know him and his people just want to know off and I think that's that's poetic right. I would give that last episode like a solid eight. Maybe eight point five like I really would like. I enjoyed it thought it was great. Is I think they wrapped up everything that they could write. It was wrapped up. That's pretty much what this episode wise arap episode like the Death Happens in the first twenty minutes now thirty minutes and then like the rest of its wrap up and you wanted to see like I I wish they would have shown gray worm finding John in like how he got captured and like like you just like. I wish that that would have been more. You'll just like expected to like all of a sudden. Everyone's in the dragon arena just skipped two weeks literally boom two weeks. Yeah don't even tell you just yeah so they just goes back to the fact. The season was rushed and they were offered ten episodes. Why didn't you take it fooling dude when they brought into the dragon arena totally make them king I'm being I'm trying to find a balance man? I'm trying to be the person that doesn't attack. I'm just trying to be critical in a constructive sense but I'm not look clean. It's okay I accept what has happened. I wish there was more. I wish they would have taken the bigger deal. Obviously obviously they have the reasons for why they did nine. I heard they were working on a different show or something. Which is why the New Star Wars movie actually they working with something reminder working on the New Star Wars trilogy so so they had the reasons and it sucks? I feel like we had to suffer because of it but it is what it is and we have what we have sure. Maybe we spin offs. It'll help clear some things up. I mean but got like three in the work supposedly which which could be really good so I mean that's that's that's all I can say as a whole love as a series I mean it was easily easily still one of my best. My favorite series like there were there were character arc sat jamie was the biggest disappointment of the whole series hands down hands down the biggest disappointment. A whole series is Jamie and upset me every China watch the series again and watching him be awesome just a no that it's just for nothing but other than his other than his thing I could watch the rest of it and be just fine so enjoyable even if you know there. I think it's unrealistic to get to expect everything you want out of a show like to expect everything to go your way and I think that's what makes this kind of medium so great because you don't know what to expect right and even if you're upset about it it's still it's still giving you that <hes> you're alive. You're feeling something like it's over it. It's never gonNA be. You're never generally you'll never going to have a finale. Go the way you want so you're going to be disappointed by something almost the other than the office. It happens every right other than the office in full sixty percent of the time it happens every time sixty percent of the time two of my favorite shows into perfectly. I'm just saying I don't I'll give it a AH. I said this last episode at its and I would agree with that. Yeah the series as a whole even if I don't <hes> it didn't the last season in <hes> in the way that I I I saw that doesn't mean I hate it like I enjoyed it. It was a great nine years of storytelling. Everyone did a great job the actors and actresses or some of the most talented ones out there especially sursee. I think she was probably one of the the best. One of the best villains of all time has to be thirsty lancaster down that is at one bad ass bitch like damn yeah. I mean nothing. Nothing got. Nothing got in between her and I like she'll do anything for family for the fucking boss. She kinda died in a way but it was kind of like I want to say. It was fitting but I mean it was just a show. How strong wasn't how gone? She was and things like I get it but she was a bad ass bitch nonetheless. I would not want her ever. I'm excited to see what the future of of television is now because there's always one ongoing show right that <hes> like like every couple of years that that is like this that lasts for years. It's a becomes like a worldwide phenomenon and like everyone is just excited for for that show so I'm excited to see what the next one's going to be. I'm curious to see how many people have canceled their H._B._O.. Appeals subscription now that game of thrones is over. I brought to you. I brought that up at work and after after the episode last night because if you if you wash at least on H._B._O.. Now No H._B._O.. <hes> like they always show like a trailer for something beforehand but this time they basically showed like everything all it was it was before still but they showed like everything like all their shows unlike like why so long and I'm like Oh because they WANNA show uh-huh people why they should still keep their H._B._O.. Subscription right Silicon Valley still amazing and we still get one more seasons haven't seen the last season Bro. I haven't seen that I want to watch that new Chernobyl thing that they have noble actually might start that tomorrow. I WANNA watch true detective. Have you watched detective. I love what Earl's Woody Harrelson right. I Love Woody Harrelson. I haven't seen I saw one or two episodes. I probably should watch do love that man you should so I've only seen season one but you should watch it. It's really good. I think you'd like it yeah. I WanNa Watch Berry Berry. I've heard is good. It's Bill Hader. He plays an assassin but also use like his true. Passion is like being a like an actor but he's an assassin so I think there's some comedy in there to see but was good yeah like I I would I would I I would say was good. I'd say season eight was probably one of the overall weaker seasons of the series but he's an it was definitely the weakest but it nonetheless wrapped it up we have we have our answers to most of our questions in terms of like like how this was going to go <hes> maybe it wasn't the answer you wanted someone more answer I wanted but it was a hell of a series as good ride Yep. Don't don't let the things that didn't go your weight distract you from the past the rest of the seven seasons that right now gave you so much so many memories and things to talk about with friends and family members. I think it's easy to to lose sight of that sometime but yeah that's all that's. That's my final point on that. I won't keep dragging out. Get stopping point. I'd say right throws game of thrones will add as always appreciate you guys tune in live on twitch. This episode will be available on spotify why I tunes and Google podcast in the next coming days as usual so make sure you subscribe on your preferred platform so you can keep up to date with our bi weekly podcast our next one will be our three predictions is that'd be June thirty. It's a week before three starts so hopefully we don't have too many leaks and we can be as as hopeful in our our predictions as we always are in. We won't get letdown too much. I'm sure we never get let down. We've only been asking for animal crossing over many years now. It's common trevor it. Is I mean it's coming this year. We're we're getting some that Ethan. Nil It but appreciate the support guys definitely leave us a comment down below. If you like this episode what's your thoughts. Were in what you like to see. 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Icelandic Pedophile Pop

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34:38 min | 5 months ago

Icelandic Pedophile Pop

"It's monday may thirty first. One eight twenty one memorial day coming up on the program. Icelandic pedophile pop. Plus criminals pretending to act insane and screaming racism. Because you can't get a goddamn slurpy all this was your voicemails on an abbreviated. Episode of there started you daily loudly presents. Great moments in tech support bone ribs. Okay well what do you want me to do. I'm trying to help you ma'am if you just let me. I can't count from here. I'm not able to do that. Means can cancel turkey. Checks should try to help you out. You're not going to be willing to back. Because i'm paying the phone bill. Which is giving me a chance to try to help you. Keep just what can cannot do. What can i to help you. Ma'am could you just call them back court on monday distorted view show with tim hansen. The fa- china is full of aids. Abortion smells like did you know abortion even how to smell or even now flower. She is a fact content. Our freaks dipak here with you to start a new week of shows. Got a great program for you today. Here in america is memorial day and typically what we do on the podcast. During holidays no matter how significant they are not saying memorial day's insignificant but look. It's no fucking easter christmas. It's important. I'm sure we're supposed to honor dead soldiers or soldiers that are alive or flags or something. There's too many patriotic holidays. I can't keep them all straight. Don't get me started. I've ranted and raved about this for years. I would really appreciate. I liked the idea of having a day off. Sprinkled throughout the year veterans day memorial day fourth of july of that shit right however wouldn't it be nice to just lump them all into two one and the argument i would probably receive and i've thought about this is these people deserve more than one holiday. They have fought for this country. America is beautiful. Badghis g with its blue mountains and ways of gray. What the hell is this. Loom majesty ever something of grain. I don't know who came up with those lines. I hope they were compensated. Well making this shithole of country seem beautiful wheat about your romanticizing. We talk about. How ready wheat is fields of okay. Can smokin crack over here or purple mountains. I i stand corrected. Mountains are not blue fucking purple lever. Purple mountain's majesty. I'm looking at my windows. Lock screen right now. And there's a beautiful picture of mountains. And i'll tell you something. They look a hell of a lot more blue than the do purple. They're actually gray and white which is closer to blue you know but still whatever. Yeah that was a big things spacious skies okay although all skies kind of spacious until you cock it up with a bunch of buildings and stuff obstructing the pretty view of the sky. Alon musk with those satellites. He's ruining our spacious guy. So yeah and that song. Other spacious skies. There's the blue or purple mountain's majesty then you've got the grain and you've got the fruited plains that's neither here nor there but my point is i thought we could lump of the patriotic holidays into one. But maybe you could stretch it out to a week with that. Being an entire week off a work and responsibilities we have barbecues and go out to the lake. Do what in july. It'd be nice little summer break for us rather than have a you know a piddly little monday off fucking may than another one and what october november. I get your shit together. America enough with this notion that holidays can can only be one day that stretch that shit out and make it mean something. Jim anderson for america. Vote for me and twenty twenty four. I ran across a really interesting video and a lot of people have actually seen this seventeen million in like the last five days alone so you may have already seen this video. It was posted on youtube. I some criminal psychology channel. And i will link to this on the show notes. The title of the video is what pretending to be crazy. Looks like i love this because this is always been my sort of Go to method. Should i ever get arrested for something serious clinically speaking. I am not insane. However should i get arrested. I will try to act crazy. See where that gets me These people had the same idea. I've got a guy here. Looks like he was arrested and he's just sort of sitting in a room waiting to talk to The police he doesn't realize the cameras on him. He's perfectly normal until he hears the cop is coming. And that's what he turns on the kuku crazy banana and You know he's doing that thing where he's like moving his fingers around. Yeah what what happened to my mum mama like he's laying on a little too thick. You gotta practice. Acting crazy is just doing a bad mentally handicapped impression which he should be canceled for you. Okay what you sister did you home. This is where the supposedly insane man is with it. Enough to request an attorney. You know i think you. Freaks listeners of distorted view daily are particularly well equipped to play or act like a crazy person. Should you need to should the need arise because we have featured so many over the years our newest crazy utah of course nicole colorado and did. Just take a listen. This is a good bremer. this is what a real insane person sounds like. He ever make every single war decision wrong not once but twice in year. Two thousand twenty one goes survivor. I really can hate hugh and man on the helicopter for sixty nine. This cancer bats like humans stuck in our service is different than yours. Suck you see what i mean. That's a fruitcake right there. All right so. Let's go back to the police interrogations. You may recall. the police. first question. Was what happened to your mom. And the suspect responded with a going. No no no. That's not the right way to go about this. Here's a much better way. He could have answered that question. So what happened to your mom on which mom talking about my allusion of mother. Are you talking about the ghost. Are you talking about my real mom earth. Mom guy is all around us. She's outside she's water. The air she talked trees and she takes care of everything from the forest to the volcanoes to the pool. Water the big pool water. You know what i'm talking about. The why the big pool that you could see from satellite images that suck all the water. The pool water were boats ocean. It's called the ocean and that's where the next vietnam. It's going to take place after. They launched the toothbrushes captain. Colgate versus the japanese can happen but not on earth. But it's gonna be on mars. Alpha centauri is coming watch out for the toothpaste laser. Beams what i've learned after listening to Many many crazy people on this podcast is a lotta times. They will start off of making sense and usually by the end of the first sentence or going into the second sentence it begins to get a little nutty like could sorta follow along with nicole here in new york in long island also suffering from really bad depression d. e. p. r. e. s. I o n. I understood that people in their apparently there have been studies. John a lot of people in new york suffering from depression then. She spells out depression for some reason. That's kind of the beginning of the crazy part. Jewish saying the jews are taking all the money and they're bussing in drugs like cocaine heroin code on and she's off and running then she whips out a globe because i look on my a show active accounting measure. She's talking about her globe here in this state of chad country right. It says depression. Ed says toro toro toro. The bull with giora jews except they don't look like they're white. I had to go back and play this clip again. Because i thought the audio was messed up. No that's really how she sound. There's the mayo right. Underneath usually like chinese conventional guano. And then you've got no after looking at the map of chad men which is dj dj. Amana you've never been to a dj concert their fire. That is what a truly insane person sounds like. Let's get back to people pretending to be crazy next up. We have a double murder suspect being wheeled into the courtroom for his trial. Meantime back inside. The courtroom. we watched as damon. Kemp was willed inside screaming and coming when a higher power. I think it's a little too late to be asking for help from god Finally a man being arraigned on weapon murder charges here. He is interacting with the judge. Jeez questions heartland boy. Do you want me to screaming. Born attorney hire your own. Mr johnson advise anyone channels okay. Let's switch tactics here. Give me one evil menacing cypher. Yes give me to evil menacing size for no so. You do not want an attorney. Okay turn system. Here's the thing about insane people. Typically they don't answer your questions. You know what i mean like. Even though he's doing weird shit he's still answering the questions that are asked of him. he's processing all of this. Mr jones this is your pie when you next appearance on it and tells you that i'm all for quarter. Turn on the bottom your copy. I thought he was going to have trouble signing because you know he supposedly insane but he has surprisingly nice penmanship. While he's rotting away for life in prison. He should really take a calligraphy course. I think he'd be good there. You go just a few people pretending to be insane to get out of answering for their crimes and paying their debt to society moving. On to other sorts of crimes we have featured linda finkle hall of fame nominee. Leon say a couple times she of course is guilty of crimes against good taste. Got a few more selections. Today this is music. We've never played on the podcast. Now just to remind you leon say has her own wikipedia pedia and trae which reads. Leon say is an indian icelandic musician. Not a combo. You find very often known for her style of music which is described as or or he until disco pop played on a digital piano. Here's a line. You don't typically want to see if you are an artist reception for leon says work has been negative to mixed runs quite the gamut here like the best reviews of hers. Are this if you listen to. The song probably won't kill you. Here is one of her tracks entitled teenage boy in town. She was looking for sue ox. Yes let's get. Chris answered on the line love. Those oriental disco pop. Sound steven tweets down. That's woman has got to be in her fifties or sixties singing about teenage boy in utah. To why do means funny. She's recording this video in a shopping mall. Obviously like no one knows who she is. They didn't shut down the mall for their shoot. She's not that big right. So people are just staring at her as she singing sending track. I can't really tell what she saying. Most of the time. I think she's mentioning his trousers. What is she saying. Let me let me. Replay that part so sexy looking. His trousers are hard or something. I get what you're saying. Leon say jesus christ. What's the age of consent in iceland. Here's what i found right linked to something here. What is the age of consent of iceland. The age of consent and iceland is fifteen. Oh well never mind. Leon carry on the street. You get the idea that teenage boy in town by leon say and you know tomorrow is the start of june. Which of course is gay. Pride month so leon say has covered with her song gay world few. It should be noted that while her last song was filmed in a mall. This song gay world was filmed in a sex shop in front of big dome. Tv man show sitting all of the important gay talking points. Gay boys gay women. They can be anything safe sex show. I wanna see her work with bjork icelandic performer. I know but. I think they would really hit it off. You do a duet about fifteen. I don't think bjork would sexualize a fifteen year old like leon say. Say sing songs. About how hot these teenage boys are beyond would be like the teenage squeeze wings and i see them fly so fast they play the past capacity lack. Yeah yeah like bugs. Thank you bjork. There's a song in there somewhere. The last step. I wanna share with you today. Switching gears look. i know. There's a lot of racism out there. I love it though and a dumb black person claims racism where there's no racism to be found. This clip perfectly illustrates that. I think it takes place out of seven. Eleven as this black woman is entering the store. The cashier says. Can you leave your bag at the front of the door behind the counter. Whatever as you can't shop with bags there's a sign on the window. That says you can't bring bags in here. That's pretty much. What sets off this argument. Alert your own in the store. Where's she's already confrontational for. No reason like picking up every little thing the cashier saying. Oh this is your stored. Now does it. You own it okay. That's really not. The point of the argument is not gonna change anything sign was. It's kind of dark start even if you didn't see the sign that's fine people. I know i don't read every sign. That's on the door of a seven eleven but the cashier has pointed out to you. And you can see where it's at so yes it's posted ridiculous to just go by slurpy. He denied service. Denying service august. Slurpy finally saw the sign. She doesn't like the placement of the size now me detective. This is a racism. Racism also should be pointed out that the cashier is not white. She's like indian or something racism. Thank you over his slurpy. You're to tell you to your bash. No no i was like. I'm a journalist record as much as i love youtube. I also hate it because stupid people like this woman thing that they can just sign up for an account and now they're journalist. The bitch has seven subscribers. And that's only because this video is blowing up and by the way everyone's giving it a thumbs down not a thumbs up nine. Have a nice day bro. i'm not a broke care. Lady you take you. You're somebody's not acting like lady but comeback thank you thank you. I will see down here like they're not very good. The black person did not like being called ignorant. She thinks that's a racist statement. He goes back into the seven eleven. You can't redefine injury job. People laughing our other people outside of the seven eleven. Who just saw this woman. Getting thrown out. Jack assigned your foot level by a slurpee. Just so i will send that to seven eleven. Don't racist store as you. Just call me all sorts of names. No one is around her anymore. Everyone has walked away. 'cause they're like you're you're laughing at you because i didn't see the sign down at the foot dead at the foot of the day pass. So that's again. The problem is that you didn't see the sign right. The problem is you got very confrontational. Even after the sign was pointed out to you by the way it looks like big gulps or forty nine cents. Which is an amazing deal. I think on down to your local seven. Eleven all right. We're going to end it right there on this very abbreviated holiday edition of distorted view daily. Let's do a couple of voicemails and get the hell out of here lobby here. Free and there are so many ways to contact the program show at distorted view dot com. I'm oliver social media at distorted view on twitter and instagram facebook dot com slash distorted view. Show also don't forget. We've got a discord where all the freaks are hanging out. There's a link on the main navigation bar over there at distorted dot com. Check that out. Oh one last thing tomorrow show because it is tuesday is going to be sideshow. Exclusive sideshow is dvd's members site where you gained full access to the entire archive of programs. I've been out this. Since december two thousand four. There are thousands of past programs in the archive every week. We do new exclusive shows last year. We did a video series called uncut. Good friend cory used to do. A sideshow exclusive podcast for us there. There's tons and tons of stuff to check out on the side. Gym memberships are very inexpensive. Only six dollars ninety nine cents a month even less when you operate quarterly semi annual yearly or lifetime membership. If you wanna step up to the side show go to the website super excited dot com sign up right now and you can grab tomorrow's exclusive program all right. Let's do a couple of voicemails. Is this another freak with food poisoning. We just played nita the other day on the podcast every she had some bad rallies fries. Wonder what this guy eight let it out a month. By the way. I'm advertising this month on overcast guest. This is probably a bad month to start advertising. These people are very confused. What's going i really should explain. What distortive us all about. Yeah this is pretty much it. I play audio. Ppo king king shedding sticking their finger. Their dick scott born that should be cheesecake. You had some old jeans cake. Yeah that'll do it. To me is facing ending theme. I say i am happily loving the bearded coordinated so bullets the all the free stocking and i like the get a preview of what might possibly beyond the show and nineteen is up people bring the. That's one of the great things about the discord and really kind of why i set it up. I wanted an easy way for people to share distortive worthy stuff that i could potentially use on the show and stuff that i don't use on the show that's still good. You get enjoy and see for yourself in the discord. There's a bunch of different little chat rooms so you can talk about politics or you know. There's some voice chat room. I'm really like the latest episode. Where you're about to read a craigslist ad. And then he got my hopes up and you said all right. Let's give it to the oh g. and i was like. Oh wait because i haven't heard from patty thin. I didn't even think to give it to my mom sheds and i don't even know how long and then you brought out and it was kind of all right. Well let's find another craigslist ad or profile. And i'll get my mom on the horn and she'll read it to us. Then you did the deep poetry part. And i thought they remember why couple of years back when you did that. Like slam poetry. It was hard for like ten minutes. It was so good anyway. I don't know if you can find that there was great. That'd be yes. I fancy myself. A beat poet and a slate. I don't know the difference between beat poets and slam. Poets honestly do levies crane crack. Baby here hello. Crack formerly known as endangered fees. And the guy who has got on. Ip title distorted view. Wanted to. Thank you for the new. Our type feed our work. They're all very trout. Tracked it yes. I i i told you guy. I talked about it on the show. I just it in my head. Like i've all the fucking things. I need to be working on new album. Artwork for old archives is probably at the bottom of the list. But i got focused on it and i couldn't stop until i was done to make them. And would you be willing to share the couplet contributes on my own manipulation. Normally it was just like the devi logo or my stuff that i created. I would totally give it to you. But unfortunately the backgrounds that like mosaic pattern those I purchased a long time ago. And i never ended up using them for anything and so i flipped him out now for the archives and then also the the year is not just a fun. It's like a special adobe. Photoshop preset or or something which i purchased So i can't. You can't not supposed to legally do that. Give give that stuff out. So i can't give it to you. I'm sorry end i'd love to see some from nineteen twenty and twenty one. Make my collection. Look complete and intimate. Well they are i. Twenty nineteen twenty twenty. I should have. Yeah twenty twenty one yet but funny twenty one is not over. There are a couple of things i really love about the show. One when you laugh at things that you feature One is when you play with some pretentious. You have no control over it talking to it. Got a minute phone yeah. I've got a producer here in an engineer. It's a big production. Equipos glenn miller saying to over and over again. You are of it. I like bring you little comedy. Skits like the rehab mentor. Your thumbnail commercials. It kind of reminds me of keeping with grandma on eleven. Yes and i have to really love feature near corn so funny about community corner. I went looking for Maybe last year if there were any new episodes and all of them were taken down. And i'm like oh no what is watching that right. I'm like why would they have taken that down. Unless they heard critiquing the show and they're like oh we can't have these four mentally handicapped people being criticized for their public access. Show that's mean so they like they took it down. That was what i thought anyway. But they've they've sent them all back online. There hasn't been any new episodes. And i'm hoping it's just because of the pandemic and also i hope they realized that i am not making well. How should i say this. I'm a fan of their show. I love the different hosts. They're all different voices. And i fancied myself. A bit of impressionist. So yeah. i'm going to try to do their voices every every time i talk about them. I've got a new favorite. I like oh. He's my favorite. No guy now is my favorite wait a month or two and feature magadan and then i liked the guy who is sounds like. He's wearing a fedora. Hello jim i've been how are you today. They're also they're just rates with court the indomitable do it even come down and the perfect gentleman. Great a couple of things that i think are better discussing porn really audio. It's so funny. Everyone has a different opinion. Some people love the come farts. And then i'll get emails tim. You haven't played anything like that in a long time. What do you go on soft on us but we wanna feature something interesting like the guy you don't think come farts are interesting. How many calms or getting degraded fuck out. I'm writing notes down feature more. Pours getting degraded and i really don't like a lot of the college rally. Kathleen hamster glad. They always call your listeners. Are super annoying lights. Mellors twenty twenty one pounds get stopped them well. She doesn't have a knows it's followed off. 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Ep174: Building Better Batteries

"Welcome the currents norton rose fulbright podcast on todd. Alexander your host and a partner. Not rose fulbright's projects group today recording with rick lougee ceo of group. Fourteen group. Fourteen is working on ways to reduce the cost of energy storage and batteries. More generally rick. Welcome to the podcast so much to be here. So rick tell me a little bit about yourself and why you decided to get into the business of trying to change the way. We make batteries. Sure no appreciate that question to my career started. After college spent seven years as an active duty army officer and really always had interest in something entrepreneurial and in business lying so left the army in after a quick pass through through business school In a little bit of time in industry watch my first startup back in two thousand left that in two thousand three in that was an it services which was a great business opportunity time. But you know not something that i was personally passionate about so in two thousand and three decided to try it again but but focus on industry really had kind of fundamental passionate about what we were doing in a win. Lose or draw. I wanted to feel good about going to work every day. So really focused in that. At the time we just called it the renewable energy sector. You know now it evolved in cleantech and green tech and yes yesterday in lots of other designations but but back then just renewable energy says started accompanying two thousand three and eventually sold that to be a s f in two thousand sixteen but along the way really got excited about taking that technology step further and really getting the lithium ion space in so we spun the technology out of our my previous startup just before the acquisition and that technology platform became fourteen recognizing the opportunities mine in space We founded technology. We think really changed with my batteries work in really enabling the the evolution of lifting mind in what we call if tim silicon batteries. Who what is that. what's lithium silicon battery. So lithium ion batteries have been using the same fundamental endo technology for for thirty years really sincere initially invented a lot of work has been done on things like the cathode electrolytes etc but the is still traditional graphite. The battery itself is more than fifty percent. Ano- by volume. But the catholics which brings is what brings the lithium so if we can make the end of the smaller we can put him more. Cathode increase the energy density without really affecting the cost of the battery. So lithium silicon batteries allow the the use of silicon in the entered instead of graphite. And that's a much more energy dense material so allows us to mecca. My standard couldn't a thicker cathode more energy density and overall lower dollars per kilowatt hour. And does that mean this technology that you're developing is it applicable to any lithium ion used today so for people who are building better energy stored systems for large-scale solar projects or for somebody's iphone Thing in your technology works either place. Same way giora. That's or we're really focused on what we call the electrification of everything in so obviously ev's or are getting all. The excitement called exuberance today but consumer electronics of course are very important. Even electric aviation and grit storage are areas. We expect to have significant impact on in the long-term anywhere where you're looking for energy storage. We think we have an opportunity. Make lithium based batteries much more effective in much lower cost so in terms of Effectiveness in costs can. Can you give us some numbers. I i know we've had a lot of people on the podcast talking about energy storage with existing lithium ion technology in coding. Us numbers have seen prices. Come down significantly over the last five ten years and with projections for them still the gun down somewhat more on get to where they can be deployed readily already being deployed fairly readily but really everywhere. Not it sounds like you would be able to further accelerate that but can you give us an idea of in terms of cost and energy efficiency. What your technology does versus the lithium ion standard with the mind. That's being used today. In tesla so our technology can improve the energy density of traditional to my battery by over fifty percent in a dozen have much impact on the cost structure that battery system in so from dollars per kilowatt hour basis dollar. Staying about the same kilowatt hours going up. Fifty percent tremendous improvement in dollars per jill. Our you know. Every industry analyst has a slightly different view on the current cost of lithium ion batteries or even evs relative to equivalent internal combustion vehicles. but roughly. we believe that eady's are about in twenty five to thirty percent more expensive than a comparable Internal combustion vehicle in so from our perspective. It's all about enabling cost parity between tv's and internal combustion in we're only about thirty percent off. So we think our technology today incorporated in ev battery paxton's gifts us to cost parody below zero combustion in most analysts. Think that's going to happen. Naturally with just a with general improvements in battery technology in in in volume manufacturing etc. But they're projecting out towards the second half of the decade. We can get it there today in so you know. This isn't a tomorrow technology like a lot of a lot of Interesting technologies that we hear about in the space. This is a today. Technology for commercial today been qualified today in that we have the option of really accelerate that bad improvement in our in the concert quickly in terms of things like weight and maintenance costs how zero technology really pretty equivalent to visual lithium. Ion so were were changing out the the node. In all of the an-and the rest of the battery chemistry is essentially the same. Maybe some minor tweaks here to to really optimize around silicon mix but saying a high degree of safety same high efficiency. Same cycle line same size same way. Virtually all attributes are are still the same except energy density significantly improved and you mentioned commercialization obviously for people in the audience looking to put this into either utility scale solar projects or even vs the reliability and the bankability of of the technologies of utmost importance of people always say especially in project financing of. Your technology looks great but show me one that works. I and i'll do the second one. I love it. But i don't want to be the first one to go. Where are you doing that cycle of commercialization we've deployed our first commercial facility. Reinstall the process lines in april just finished mission in those lines in so that is commercial scale not at e. v. commercial scale but it is sufficient for certain accounts applications but most important we can also supply the early stages of ed qualification processes in parallel. We've just announced a joint venture with yes k group and build a much larger facility in korea that will provide a second source for group fourteen production infrastructure in the us. That's a really important strategic decision for us to establish that second source supply because the automotive ministry requires that they're not going to adopt a new technology if it's depending on single source sources supply in so this one venture gives us not only a great partner who knows how schedules very factoring but also gives us a second source of identical material from a non. Us day manufacturer to mitigate any perceived supply chain for our our larger customers and then and then finally it is our intention to build a very large scale facility here as well you know maybe a hundred times bigger than our current commercial facility and our vision is to deploy that in central washington where we can take advantage of hydropower low low-power rates good infrastructure in the group. Participants supply chain Supply chain partners when you say a hundred times the size how many. I don't know if if you're even at the megawatt stage but neither could kill hours or or or for that matter megawatt hours. How much are we talking about here in terms of availability in the marketplace. If there's somebody in the audience who is looking to play this either for vs or for battery energy storage in a power Power setting right so our vision for that that larks go facilitate central washington would produce enough material to enable lithium silicon batteries in somewhere between six hundred thousand. One point two million vehicles. And that's just the first step and we intend to continue expand that factory to accommodate demand in the marketplace. So do you think at least for this initial application. Either because of profit margin or suitability really. Ev markets your initial target. But of course as we seen the ionic can expand beyond that really. Our first targets consumer electronics simply because they can adopt technology much more quickly in some respects a price. They can be more stringent on performance requirements in with the navy of a little bit more flexibility about managing the battery management systems. So they're they're able to take more of a cost focus but really the longer term Rather short-term You know requirement for consumer electronics customers is is is pretty tight and will be. The plot deployed quickly 'cause they need to get You know upgrades to those things. Like cellphones computers enabled as quickly as they can will follow on vs. It takes long qualify e b.'s In bbb our systems in so that might be or from two to four year process but in consumer electronics get more like maybe twelve to twenty four months so to get something like this off the ground scott to be difficult. How did you find the resources either. Through government funding or venture capital or for that matter strategic investors. How did he get money for something like this. At least initially it must have been fairly high risk capital absolutely in so one area really got started was the parliamentary finding so. We've got two successive grants from the vehicle technologies office which which really is a fantastic I guess Capability to get these kinds of early stage technologies to a point where they can be commercialized in. So we're able to take advantage of that government funding to at least get the demonstration face and attract private investment. We did take a slightly different path from the private investment side instead of going down the traditional venture capital path. We deliberately decided to go after strategic money in a couple of reasons for that one is in strategic partnerships. Been more than just cash. They're being expertise and they bring networks and relationships and that's very important in this in this industry in two. It's very difficult for many venture investors to really understand the technology to a point where they can get comfortable with financial investment strategic investors are Are more savvy in many cases and perhaps just contain more internal expertise to know had the differentiate technologies that are. They're open for opportunities in so going out at that. Strategic investor path. We've assembled. I think just a fantastic syndicate of some of the top names in the battery industry source series was led by at l. atl's the world's largest producer batteries for consumer electronics And so that was our series lead. Also participating were the world's chemical company a big player in the capital space elect white space binder space. Show a danko who is now. Probably the world's largest producer of graphics for lithium batteries so even some sense of of at least their understanding of the direction. The industry is likely to go a diversifying their portfolio quite a bit Cabinet boston-based drills company specializing in conductive additives for lithium ion batteries and then finally S k group the big korean conglomerate. Which has an affiliate has escalated. Innovations one of the world's battery manufacturers they've got an affiliate spokesman battery materials and In through that s k investment. You're also able to secure that joint venture with s. k. Grouping for itself. We've got one other six strategic investor which is asked to remain confidential. They're also major player in battery space. But that's syndicate of six really industry leading market making strategic not only gives us a fantastic portfolio expertise to tap into but also great validation for technology for a market opportunity one of the biggest barriers that you found to getting into the market or even for that matter into the power sector. Or are you really at this point. Just trying to generate your first revenue proof concept than focused primarily on the consumer market so we are focusing on both ev's and consumer electronics simultaneously. We have not put a lot of focus on grid storch yet. We know what we need to do to be successful there. It's all about dollars per kilowatt hour per cycle in. We think that our approach will enable much lower cost and good cycle so we do anticipate having a very compelling product for the storage market but really the markets that are creating the most active. I guess urgency to deploy this material is concerned iconic and evt's not quite as much quite yet from side in so you know from a challenge perspective. The number one challenge that we have today is just growing fast f. The demand is there. The scale is there. It's just it is such an effort to to deploy the scale to to catch up and keep up with the rapid growth of the market. You know the the lithium battery market today is probably roughly about forty five billion total but if every car made last year had been electric that corresponds to trillion dollar battery industry. So in my mind it's not a matter of weather. We'll hit a trillion dollar market for. Batteries is just how long it gonna take is a ten years twenty or thirty years. I moved novo shutting. It's early side ten fifteen years something like that in so just looking at that tremendous amount of growth. Our biggest challenge is is getting established catching up in keeping that that strong demand. So how do you view your technology. Is it a complement to the lithium. Ion or ten years from now you've supplanted lithium ion and also what do you think about people investing in graphite today right so we are one nice thing about our technologies. We are very simple drop. In for current batter manufacturing we blend very well with graphite or we can completely replace graphite on the road in so for companies that maybe don't have law sophistication in an ano optimization. They can blend are silicon carbon composite. In at ten percent twenty percent fifty percent mixtures with graphite and get a very high-performance battery ver-very he's like it drops bright into their slurred processes right another coating processes render battery fabrication processes so very very easy to adopt this technology. Even up to a hundred percent lowering. So we'll be around for a while it will be just because the market is so huge will simply take us time scale become a significant really significant replacement to graphite but again we do blend wells graphing and so for those Near manufacturers and customers Take a blended approach that works just as well but key to rapid adoption. Here is they had robin. There's so much better. Infrastructure already built in so much battery infrastructure committed to be built in the very near future. It's not realistic to expect all those battery makers to Replace their infrastructure with something to accommodate a hemel more complicated technology in my opinion so rick so once you got this initial production line up and running or the one in korea up and running. Who are you planning to sell to or your or are you already have existing contracts for your product so we're engaged with virtually all the major manufacturers globally as well as nearly all the major electric vehicle odium brands in so it's a it's a very large Pipeline of customer engagement in by engage actively working with our material developing batteries in qualifying metro for For future applications that they're developing in so one aspect of our stage is with us commercial deployments with will we call a aban factory battery active materials. Factory are bam one. Factory battle allows us to supply relatively large sample volumes to all these ev consumer electronics Both oem's and ambassador manufacturers to To kick off in dr publication processes so Keeps us pretty busy but it. It feels like we've got just a fantastic reach in to at least our first to target markets consumer electronics and electric vehicles. Just looking forward than as we wrap up here. What i know. Your company's stated mission is is to electrify everything. How does that happen so it starts with. I guess our maybe it was called beachhead application which be consumer electronics in. That rapidly grows into electric vehicles. Electric vioxx really driving innovation about her space. Today is the opportunity so huge but as we become adopted in that battery technology becomes more commonplace in consumer electronics. And he vs it becomes available for those other applications. That maybe aren't quite as far along so electric aviation is a good example. Lot of fantastic visions for electrifying aviation but fundamentally they need energy density they need batteries that give them more range and more more power in so we're taking a huge step in that direction to make all those systems more effective in more likely to be adoptable in the long-term likewise with brit storage. As i mentioned it's all about dollars per hour per cycle in so by enabling much higher energy density batteries maintaining the cost at about parody with today and extending that cycle is. We can dramatically reduced dollars per hour per cycle in really in order to really attractive unenriched from grid storage perspective. We wanna be below the cost of generation so if we can push the economics below the cost generation than as a very logical business decision to adopt significant storage for renewables in rotations. People listening are interested in getting in touch with you. How do they do that. So please visit our website at a group fourteen dot technology and we have a contact page. There can contracts down. We're very open to partnerships very open to new customers real excited to continue to make out make a movement in the marketplace. All right well. Thanks for being with us today. X. muschamp khorshid conversation. You can find us online at. Www dot project finance that law or send us an email at current set. Norton rose fulbright dot com please rate review and subscribe on apple podcasts. Spotify or your preferred podcast app. Our show today was produced by emily rodgers. Stay ahead of the fronts.

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Terrific Torquator Storms to Arc Victory & Weekend Review

The Final Furlong Podcast

3:12:11 hr | 2 weeks ago

Terrific Torquator Storms to Arc Victory & Weekend Review

"The final podcast with emma kennedy. It's pedley brought to you by toast. Get a ten percent boost on your winnings on all horse racing markets exclusively on total coda. Uk arto doray evacuate. What was an ethic weekend. Well it was supposed to be and then the rain fell still. Got some great racing though. So we'll look back on the qatar preto arc-de-triomphe meeting at longchamp in the company of the irish fields. One and only mr rory dot. Org welcome back. Rory gravy me nice to be buying a while listeners. Were freaking out. There was panic. might demise somewhat exaggerated. There was panic. Glory there was a riots on the streets And all the time. It was just that you were busy. You come on. Let's go straight for the big one so first of all the ground officially according to the trade paper heavy just how bad was the ground at lunchtime yesterday. It wasn't it wasn't desperate to start with but obviously the the issue there the reason fresh grind and the rian really only came overnight into the morning. The going on on a saturday wasn't too bad Annika bator's the end of the day. Consider it up a very deep them But for the for the early races it wasn't it wasn't a massive issue. I suppose the one thing about the grimes is. I think it'd be more difficult for the jockeys to judge piss than how to being good. I actually got a few or you know. They've clearly while not necessarily going fast They weren't the front runners weren't releasing things as a rule. I'm terribly terribly fast in the In the boost start with body was still horses from wealthy best who were from Who would pick up those You know. I think washing the offer unbel- In retrospect saying Sin but i think if you if everyone's tv went off to to go All love right by william When he kicked off the from of ebay is only whenever. You see that that didn't quite get home That you can then say all jeff. Archie said the buick at some the at newman the previous week on some yes. It's very easy to say that night but you know the first second third coming from from a fair way off the pace That those who are look high far ideology finished in front of them of colonel. Genesis for example who with his son is nearest rival Through the wrist turning into the straight and she seemed to be going pretty well jeeze crimes in hasn't been home on. He's spot on a pretty well to be to be a close fourth in the end Street actually on the the front three Yes renovating saves a mistake by the joking. But you look at you look at various other races on the day Look at diarrhea. In the all fra. She looked like she was i. She's treated by admiral. Threes on running her She led on the bride will to go but she did not get home and a lotta forces seemed to be trumpeting very well into the streets but it seemed that if you were in front of the furlong after rahm that was That was your could On it was a bites coming with sustained from from off the as a rule that that seemed to pick up the prices On horses were just. Were just getting tired. despite generally speaking The the pace being perfectly sensible it most of those races Where the joke is picking horses up and ask them to go for homeless to rome. You'd like to think the talk lines. Horses could sustain a run for that length of time but time and again they've won quite doing so to miami anyway Always you can get a number of reasons without happens in. It's just it's just the way certain but giving these are generally top class horses through the day the number of horses on the vital the ago look dangerous who then finished either free and more Struggled to win. I was remarkable even even in the In the by The the leader looks absolutely home. And hosed with one hundred dollars zero has been rundown on the line so it just even if you're in when you're kicking with with some If i'm gonna have to go less than that. That should be good enough at the top levels. At least see you hit the line hard Below these were beginning to paddle. I'm close that issue. The grind i think as a rule the horses were getting through the grinds And i don't think i wouldn't call it farcical. I think a few people have used that term. I don't think that's the case. People don't like the find become come the end of the season. You have You have all these big races on our day on most the horses running running aground through the they They're unable to show this sort of form. It's not always for angeles ten times when when the grind is goose alone. It's over and it's it's good moral from the non asset. Half the issue is the fund is the way the grind ism is described by french racecourses. Yeah it's a it's a fallacy. The it's people would say to you even on this show. We've had guests on the show. Say oh you have to think about the fact that it's going to be self ground the arc you got it right this year but normally that's not the case. We thought on a few recently with being pretty saw enables else her last bit by by softening grind similar horseshoe huge continually come up just short against the very best on you know on summer grind even with a bit of easing Sunny looks like a superstar on very soft bronze. I'm told tasso superstar. I'm here under the Take a mockery. Large number of people who had boxing look experts on german. Form forward He's not quite the superstar that made him look He's a very very good horse. And he was underrated on the day You know he didn't get much of a mentioned pre rhys. I don't think leeann. I even mentioned on thursday. But let's let's break the race down properly so because if you if you look at the form the right horses are there. You've got tanaro finishing seconds. There's been this talk now that they're going to bring her back for another crack at the next year. Like jesus not not easy to be sold was with Can't can't you learn the lessons. Illicit She was very weak in the market. Toa through the day on she was Which is four to one S pages might well-supported but she was very very weak on the exchanges. As day was the day before. I'm a heavy grind Better than nothing else on. Everyone was buying about high important deluge delusional so everything was in her favourite yet. She was she was just. No one wants to touch. Billy i am She's not enough to the proper. Assume sumulong sick as a pig Oh he i think he wanted to punch rene. I think he was like who is that. Who is that who you was pretty pretty much. What was the bloody hell is When i saw the right horses finish. This wasn't just one of those races that turned into a crap. Shoot it didn't it wasn't just What legrand's turn salts. Anything could win it. It doesn't make it a lottery It did you know it. Bring them stamina into play on. Its suits horses who can a handle conditions but also stay beyond demain while i'm talking to talkative. Tasso is clearly capable of doing that. good german blood all old cliches about some eczema tough. Germans says yep we'll be with him the second. So tunnel has obviously run absolute blinder and whatever dumber weld chooses to do with her next. Whether she goes back to the breeders cup. I would like to see that. I think we're talking to josh. We talk this week next week next week. So we're doing. I think. I think we're doing a show on wednesday which is a complete off the wall show with special guests on. I really hope you enjoy it because we're talking about downunder But we'll come to that a little bit later on but Yeah breeders cup very much coming up on our minds on the final front buck soon So i i would love to see her head to del mar that she does A hold my hands up and say that. I was very wrong about hurricane the market. Interestingly enough swung his his way the money came for him instead. they are ultimately as you said. The buick was traveling really well. And i think that's a brilliant description. Turn off the tv at the two furlong marker and you're like water rights from you ought to genius that guy is and instead it's abuse left right and center see away. Seaway away snowfall. I was really disappointed in can get you. Take me through two of the market principles here. Krona genesis is another horse by the way who who kind of drifted a a little bit but or she opted to wide initially so that was for the first three furlongs and Was she was very prominent. Snowfall was always in the rear and historically perry longchamp if you're writing in a race like the the arc particularly the arc in what is a pretty big field. Fourteen runners us in a hostage to fortune. So what did you make of snowfall. And what did you make of chroma genesis as we as we break down this properly. Hard-luck story was list. Cessna full. She she probably would have finished closer but for from Having sitting in traffic for a little bit out the top of the strange on it or not tend to be crucial rescue. Were you you go on the The full straight as a call then into the into the home straight and you need to be able to to have a clear roundabouts as you don't necessarily have to be right up with the pace we saw here But you kind of have your momentum check and she did a little bit. So i think she probably she might have finished fourth With a bit more luck. I don't think I don't think he was terribly unlucky. She she's just had quite a for me. She's quite a busy season on. She looks. I mean the margins of our victories earlier in the year in the yorkshire the irish shows in the oaks at south you add those together and you get a a frightening domination but finding domination of a pretty weak division The one good horse she met in new york was was injured shortly afterwards and probably wasn't herself other are wonderful. He's up against you know. Launch combs At york and then again. I'm not time is Was really impressive. But as one of those races that who's rondo form in that race. The nature of the ranchers frankie said on the time they were to foster any on He wanted to be handing tool to behind on he took by instead. They're not gonna they're not gonna keep this gallup Some a lot of them were beating a long way from home. She was impressive as she as she essentially came home in. Well might as well be in a private trial and she kept increasing the margin Bus in she's beaten the siham essentially the same ku ward three times in a row who are pretty poor By by you know talk standards. So it's it's difficult to know how good she is and this was a robin to show whether she could do it against the right best on she was. I wouldn't say she was massively. Disappointing butts you know that the notion that you make something incredibly special Just to knock in In her trial on run a similar sort of race in the audits health probably should Remit season form Short for best. But that tends to happen when horses step up in class or goods when they're beating lesser opposition as moses who raised the game for for the for the big occasion. Our our our needs something else. Is that a strong gallon for them. So they can look unimpressive against lesser lesser horses. But she she looked good bullying them. You know at york is while usage. Giora butts. You know it is a different catfish. When you're stepping up against the best horses in the world that she was here On that was a bit of a culture shock for her she. She might be with keeping training next year. I shall not going to be know they're going. They're going to send her to saint mark's basilica okoshi I did The parents For you make absolute judgments about them. You don't the problem is this. This was her first real test and she failed at essentially but a lot of a lot of very good horses. Just need to get the ryan out the top level before they can realize what's required with them and then they'll step up and you know there is a chance that she you know given more opportunities in alleged aged open groupon company she might have Looked as good as she as she did against them. against rather modest phillies I wonder i wonder with her just because they're going to retire her for next season. If del mar the if the breeders cup is on the agenda if hong kong japan could possibly be on the agenda for or is that going to be the last time we see her ida thoughts that there's new reason why she she shouldn't run again she's in Asked it towards the end of the season. So it'd be nice to see her get a chance to redeem herself before she she. She goes off to To the breeding. Fats and much nestled There's no reason there's nothing to gain by On the spot you know. This isn't the end of the season attendee of other big races. I'm coming up. And she they make go ask and again it depends. Lewis is always assume you know. We'll we'll see. We'll talk to the lines I'd obviously she comes out of the risks. Right flop sunday might say yes. She's had enough reading as going to be difficult to get a peek again before Would more than they might say. Well you know unless you choose unless she shows us that she's really that reason by seeing again. It's pointed stick near to the to the states so that that's the thing if she if this ransom some she gives her train of the impression that's It has done something positive for them local and if he gives the impression that she is lying anyone's we'll have to see how that plays out. I would love to see her on the racecourse again but eight and we'll do and the will do the right thing. Rory is going to be on the phone with derrick smith there on advising as to what to do and i'll be having a good long chat with john magner boat the decisions that that should be made Kevin buckley i'm calling you out sir and asking already shamelessly on the final podcast for my saint mark's basilica baseball cap. Thank you very much friend much. Appreciate it as always The japanese got a little bit of excitement but not really And chrome genesis was was pretty well. Held a day are and hurricane lane so hurricane lane turns the darby form around He's run a monstrous race for st leger winner given their record in the race for a brief moment. I thought actually he was going to win. But the we'll break down the to gulf north. Because for to charlie appleby and to get olefin for having a go with both i mean would have been very easy to save one You've already referenced. The criticism that buick has received. And i agree with you. What what choice did he have But hurricane has genuinely surprised me and the prospect of him coming back next year. That's something that very much interested me. Yes the horses. Got to the rest If you know if you're watching an art for a horse to take either Since the seventy bizarre put them in your put in your trucker he's he's in he's an unknown horse right. Not many people know about them. Keep it under your hat now. Hurricane lane watch out for that one. Next time i have no but seriously you're right i mean i i. That's what i thought. I thought he was the worst out of the race. Because i'm very keen to get your opinion on on the german horse. But i wanna talk about the the form-horses first of all and if you take the german runner out. This is an epic renewal of the arc. And were probably saying. It's the one of the greatest renewals of the race that we've seen for quite some time in an incredibly dramatic finish but in in in in terms of hurricane hurricanes. Because we've covered a day are what did you make his ron and his prospects for next season. I think listen. I the first thing to to tackle as they came here after this alleger. There's no way about that. Benefited his prospects and we have seen horses. Come on come from the ledger. The horse has won both racism season hundred years We have horses romance selector. Win the arc Not many of those But some it's a measure runners-up win the on but not not necessarily particularly strong when alleged one The first of his two On you know. I it's not. It's not the best way of prepping horse for the running it over a modern seven furlongs four night before a Kinski was beaten in the art. He was he was the horse of the century. Oh the best. Visit bryant ever hides Bit argument about that. Although lester always profound survivor nothing. That was temperament. bay struggling than pure ability He was deemed unbeatable. And of course when he won. This doesn't ledger. Lesser tight in the hallway ryan. He was absolutely adamant the shouldn't have a hard race. I don't think he was mad keen on him going for For the for the triple crown eight. Probably associate for the on. But he gave them a really easy Adult custom but it still still have an effect on new was hit. ringworm But it's not it's not just one aspect you know e count. Easy ransom on some ledger unhurriedly. Despite the fact that he won the risks well he didn't have an easy risk if but he recovered really quickly I was very very impressed. By the way he Dug in there. Because i thought he was one of the first one speeding either to both abruptly turn for a ugo. He's been driven along. Just going to say about enough things. And he didn't really stuck his neck out. He tried all the way to the line. And i thought i thought he's he had Essel should tremendous You know he just came up short possibly because of the Of that preparation possibly not. But i can't think it's a positive to do that On the fight that hit the fire was still burning brian him. He was reading coaching for the future. there's not much between him audiard's obviously You know they found. They met the darby unimat here. Over hurricane land for the darby audio started overpriced for that. But i thought he was eating. the value. Outside risk thought hurricane land was a really solid bet absolutely was i was surprised that he didn't seem to handle the trump who front shoes. Which kind of helped him. It's all but the pair of Themselves actually last incentives eighth grid that a lot of people straight onto the darby said what a lot of rubbish on turned out to be a really good time. I was one of those people and not necessarily saying what a load of rubbish. But i didn't think that they are going to back that up. And he's come out and one king george and that's crucial as well. He missed the premium that was going to be his his preparation so he didn't get the opportunity to have his prep. I know not an interesting one because he fresher but he was probably site refresh. Wasn't i thought so. Yeah he hunts hand to do is on donkey. Work eight ridiculous stages but he was cane. He wanted to get on with it. He's gone faster as racist before that He probably wished the bit too much nervous. Energy in front but he was saying early gun for some reason early in the race he settled really well. And then i don't know if it was the the roar from the crowd or the hurly-burly of the race itself but all of a sudden he was just extremely keen and and that made things very very tough room. He wouldn't have he wouldn't have been expecting to to be front as early as he was I think a lot of expected either broom to make running. He missed rank didn't or they might expect a deep bombs to go on given that he'd made all the running in his trial. But both of those were from Were you know in the early on On it some kind of it was that incumbent. On on william buick not to disappoint they are. I think he did the right thing. could he. I mean you'd need to have absolute nerves of steel to have held onto very long because or murphy was throwing the kitchen sink at some up the colonel genesis who i thought she was again going to be a big thanks as asset. I didn't think they've gone terribly. Hard and i love being towards the front would have been a big advantage in those in those circumstances It wasn't a truly genesis. She runs very good risk but she handles. I think john brown fine. She's one of them. She's only based offering once. She was very impressive. in adm a grip to and she stays the trip. I don't think she stays the trip on the garage. And that was a problem with her You know on this grinding of the quarter. Be fine for her And a half on on on good grind will be fine for her. But am i gonna happen salts Probably stretched you're given given that she was a ridden fairly aggressively and obviously she saw daylight is on him. I wasn't disaster for her. You know Again with her drill ocean murphy did. Franken didn't name on this race uncle horns there's nothing these tactics He didn't he didn't sound Ride the years offered to go forward. He allied Just look forward on using her normal stride and he gained drawn during his tactics correct She just wasn't able to stay on the galaxies in the right place. Issue is good enough But i think the the stamina just give way on the conditions Which is a shame. Because you know. I think she is a genuinely talk mayor up the yeah you know you can have no real argument with his. Except for the fact that most people didn't give the winner much of a chance. Like i said i don't think that leeann i mentioned him so shout out to mattie shannon medi play. I don't know how but then again and there's absolutely nothing wrong with his feminine. This hindsight's twenty twenty. Yeah i think in a group one with exposed for. That's too much We you know we don't want to dig through the form too much with with horses from from from overseas jurisdictions. If we think we've got too much to find unless you're actually watching the job informed on a regular basis but you know. This is a horse who was a top-class Three roles last year. I think he was was he Fx with leading serb Crocker in the last year he was be the drama rb but I think the overall balance of his put them write-up within swoop in terms of Yeah he was second in zig. German darby also a also showed very good form after that winning the surprised berlin On his done w nine. That's kids stop them from pissing on the floor nine It tends to work but No you're right in hindsight. He's he's like the form was there. He was a massive price and the ground was a bog. And zig jomon horses they They like they stay very well with what was interesting. When they broke down the sexual times his penultimate His penultimate lasts sectional time was twelve point four whereas noah was eleven point seven six. So she's she's won a super race and it was interesting to your german world. Say given the fact that she's the breeders cup turf winner that it could be the conserve or video steph that they go for but it was also interesting term. Say but the whole thing of staying training which you geez look to see her comeback but oh tough The the thing that really stands out to me look prices site okay. We're obsessed with british irish and french form and we knew going into this. That the for instance have anything nothing for story from from the french. The ease with which this sources one is just mindblowing. the jockeys not even touching on auditory. Oh i don't think he's want easily. I think he's one all quarters length to you. Yeah yeah absolutely. I think he's one with the jockey. Just put pushing along happy days. No need for the pro coach stays on really well. They'll prove crystals going faster through us. Relies of the game. he just. He came with his ronald. Exactly the right time You know a when audience was was was committed for whom the office to get either after On they set their souls is It was almost certainly advantage bit wider on track. I would say The going was was probably better there than than it was right on the real. But that's in you don't expect the field to to some the real the middle of the track. That doesn't happen. If probably benefited from rome. At the right time could see you know that. He had momentum That he was gaining on them on what he did was. He made sure that he didn't unbalanced the horse if he had gone. Stick on you know. Given we'll ride the backside it could have unbalanced horse up the wrong time and ended up losing it. What he did was he. He kept him straits he kept imbalanced and that helped him to to go through to the line. I thought it was a good. I think you know we tend to obsessive and good goodhart jockeys are. I'm we forget that you know joke as another true stations are just as good. That was a very very mature advice. Sensible ride From from you know from junky who who gives every chance but he wasn't panicked so committing to soon There's is no fluke abacha but here on the wrist again You could you know depending on where the horses end up before the streets. You could get a number of different results. And he wouldn't always win it. I don't think he's a better horse than than the three immediately behind him. But i think you know he was he was undervalued going into it. One difficulty hobbles wasting races. You're essentially rating nations as well as horses. Yes regularly performing in. Germany u You make a decision as to hike goods by former overall Yes we do have it. Didn't help alternates. Going damn beating him in the in the Spies berlin this year. But you know if you watch not race black. You'll see that. I'm not sure should say he was an unlucky loser. butts he He would absolutely flying the finish. J. stood strong himself in a little bit of trouble in the race and then hung official pretty well and then he went Built on that by winning. Next time is Alpinist looks up star The surge One them Wanted to black type races. Well that's really solid form at you know it's not quite as goods on the ratings. As the you know the form of the king. George but of course. You're always racing races. I george based on historical form you have to make an assumption that most of the horses in there running to form as well Unattended to automatically start with allure base With with german horses and as only whenever they get a chance to to race against the best that you find with. You've made an error there. Yeah i think he. I think he probably was rated Four or five points to I still think that this this isn't necessarily the very best piece of form in the year because of the conditions of the race But everything worked for him on the day He's a very very good horse And he got the other race And they went a little hard early in front of him. Or you know the the favorite did not set him up nicely for the but you know however you're on the repeatedly and in the free at the very least i'm not doing dinatale but you've you've got you've got to conceptualize it and say you know is this. Is this announcement superstar that we've been ignoring because Because the from You know the people didn't even know who didn't know much about his his connections post race rene hadn't even ridden priority shown so he's for civil right there brilliant. I look did my not since novel. i did. My apps conquers and snow It was a bad weekend for the lucky sixty. Three i think real world and The winner if it makes you feel any better my biggest the season so far was on holidays and the ocean ropes against full and openness to would've absolutely murders of law. I don't know why she didn't run on the floor around stabs run very well but openness different class and she was she was she was a double figure price and i thought it should have been second favorite so i thought looking at the field. That will run. That will run. That will run that one that is going to be five rummaging this he's one of them Unsa chances of winning Was the only one that didn't run. The horses were engaged with the five days So that was a massive kick in the teeth and she's come out in one sense. Yes yeah issue his some. she's looking better Better people saying you know I think somare prescott was quite keen to go for the with her. But kirsten rising dole's light being told while today cheese i'm well she's entitled chasing titles She's she's very very successful. It's the reason. I know what they are. But she's she's managed extremely well With toll class phillies over the years by Not beating them up on producing them to win tall braces. When when all this may be our pastor best And she's she's got a very good idea of what. What's the horse's need. There's a famous story of bites a look at a longtime acquaintance years ago. She had the handicapped. Certainly of all time on surmount. Fresca turned the trombone and said you must run this feeling this zara which she is an absolute certainty that was really Who had won the doncaster cup on she had seven doing something in which She said no he said please. She said no he said. I want to tell you about today's. But i really want to run this villian. The rance She runs the risk on. She suffered a fractured pelvis. Oh geez no so. That's some when you put all your is among basket and say trust me. I'm right on this on. Then it turns out to be a disaster. Them the chances if you've been able to convince said again our lessons slightly. I'm amazed she still has horses with him. But you forgive well you can't control it it eater. Shoot that liable to happen. Wherever she went could happen the gulps could have done. She might want him to jockey. Club cup in says some new market. I'm not an easy time to could accommodate home. But obviously you've only got Arguments like when you try to convince the owner ends. It's nice if you can go by and say remember. When i said you should run this on there and at one and you against the well. That's that's all in the on merit side but when you get it wrong even with even when it's pure potluck center as well so we build up to the arc-de-triomphe Quite a bit. Which is why. We've talked to better in such depth as we try to understand what we saw learn from it and bill for next year hurricane. Lena i'm always coming back in training i think is as well and if that is the case then that's incredibly generous of godolphin to keep both horses and training the pair them abroad. Brad to battery again Season yeah i think. I think this could be a fabric. I think andrew blair white is going to lose his mind when he sees hurricane a four year. old he's just going to explode and There's no no doubt he'll be number one on these sources to follow on the final foreign podcast for for the next next year. Slot season but indulge me for a second. Rory just because. It's the final on podcasts. All right we roll deep we gotta big crew but we also do stuff a little bit differently because we build up to this race of for so long and we dream about it for so long and we bet on us anti post. Let's let's not be kidding ourselves here right. We all had anti bets on. We all had dreams of getting on the first-class class emerets airline to dubai on the results of this race instead. It's the most core but in the marvel cinematic universe in an alternate reality roy. The arc is not ruin heavy ground. It's run on soft and if it's on soft does. The results changed dramatically. No i don't think so. I think The time form of assess the grind is soft for the arc itself Race heavy yeah well receivables monitoring taking the laid on assessing themselves. They themselves But it was time for. I'm allies raised times Various other factors on then they they decide a. At the end of the meeting what the going wolf because you know when the going is officially goods automating lafayette's poor dine in the cognitive which they wanna change the going into the first so you get a meeting with official goings officially good Needs analysis gulf You'll have a meeting where going officially changed after the first risk but the first will be listed as being run on on Incorrect going whereas time for him will be done as assess the grind for each race. The top there their assessment of the going. Which is you know. Obviously it's it's it's up for some defendants But it's not just it's not just one run opinion and it's based on a lot of fun. A lot of factors would is french coin. Descriptions historically been pretty pretty Coming out the day. I'd say it was pretty much heavy For the handicaps at the end the car has been a lotta Got in the grinding opened up I would call the So front hot rather than heavy up But obviously you know people will may differ on that So the question is Rather than heavy grind it would well. It would be the same because this wasn't an extreme dark it was soft Doesn't all horses. But i don't think it was extreme. I don't think it got to the stage where a said earlier on. It didn't make it a a lottery The best horses largely came to the fore. Would you like to know. What's the horse's you'd be beaten along with viewpoints. I don't see where it wouldn't be. Wouldn't be player. Grinded on saying he very walls he tells us An talk untalkative Task viable to buy bites software on ought probably wouldn't seem Sneaks into the frame so it takes strength but it was. Let's let's not credits ordinal tournaments. We didn't you know we didn't do this. For the for the rb or for the of for the king. George in a going and being soft results of being accepted as old as being as being correct. Put me in my place. That's it come on wall. Lunch working argue. I think what does down. Come on a winner of the service if you if you you know if you ask for an alternative Wh what's the correct one-two-three while fred monty threes. Yup i grew that the official going on fronts. Gallo dot com sticky. That's what they call it didn't they. And the more holding the strange strange going description. Because i think if if if the has been softish on end there's ran i would say holding grind will be the kind you'd get plan had been very soft and i began to dry. Aspen is holding whereas along people tell you they get through better when when it's you know when the rian has been very recent. Yeah they they got through the worst kind of grind is an most will tell you this vice off at begins to drive is drying towards pizza. Soft it is very holding and his feet either and it's very hard work that's that's the grind milam less well. It was the one hundred running of the qatar pre the lark the triumph and for the third time it goes to germany after star peeling nineteen. Seventy five and the berlin daydream. In twenty seven. Torquato tasso is your twenty twenty. One concert are pre locked triomphe winner and if you backed him hats off hats off. That's all i can say Juvenile obscene murphy in the winners enclosure for The main man other with the zilly daughter of wooden bassett who of course sends it. A coolmore still held her form coming into this. She'd been beaten on her Her previous attempted that was a three level and that was a one of her opponents the favourite Floor duties What did you make of Is more did you make the race overall. I thought she should have won the last two races and i thought she should've been favor on the day So as easy if you if you go back and watch it. She finished really fast for For for both of those races where she was placed in Ingraham's free coming. They were strong grip. Threes She was also written by an apprentice jockey in one Six times but was unable to klay him so i thought she did pretty well. as it towns Yeah that was the Should be beaten A vinyl rivals Avail in august in the the precincts professions australia. She was as i said. We said she was seconds Next time on. but she her junky. Who as clamor. ugo. Benny was apparently on construction that he was teaching her for the big risks timeout. Guess her finishing off but don't be hard on her and that was behind the stable component. Something more important for floor deis to win the that was for zeli If you just watched that recency high well. She finished the feels miles behind with a for lunch. Wrong doesn't exaggeration. Obviously which was she was very pretty pleased but the way she finished the justice she might have won that race. Issue being produced A lot earlier because some Dinosaur through jelly Most that day Under well-judged ride from from mcalpine celona On young. Benny able to claim in three obviously Give his plenty to do and she finished really strongly would've given plenty confidence. Going into this with sean. Taken over On jr with her being taught to be set towards the field than finish all strongly that that wasn't new tour. So andre brilliant trainer hit three on this yet. If the the favorite in the morning who everyone you seem to know wouldn't come on the grind. So she can might They made the other one the favorite. But i got the impression that fob was was very keen on zeli Give him you know. He seemed to be absolutely setting up specifically for this rhys onto be written in a particular way on the wrist and ocean With an awful lot of confidence and she showed some reform. But she's a really good-looking philly is all quality. And i thought you know you look at the recent say. Listen which is being the bike cider. Time square courses some england You know who's a big eyed sider Times square was well placed when the risk develops again. You know flurry set the Set the pace didn't seem to be going on absolutely mad gallop. But she's dropped away to finish stephens undefeated. She beat last time. I was beaten a long way in this tougher contest. Goes up and trip was this is a a mile whereas the previous The demolished seven furlongs the mile definitely suited zeli. But you know you look at a nasty races on. Looks like it was guaranteed to center and she soft. Brian doria career. So yes she was very well setup for this. It looks like a big improvement on paper. But she hadn't been asked to do everything she could. A previous starts On our trainer was was clearly cancer to after to keep her sweet to get into peak for the right occasion on work brilliantly. In the day she has one on ground on her second start. French cook grunt. Is she a one thousand guineas contender in your mind. Yes she is She's she's little specialist who guineas Of that from the family of pride as well down half sister Their stamina that she'll stay further than a mile But yes a mile. I think it'll be absolutely fine for season again. I think she she. She would be sued by By easy grind because this off of the ground is in may the more of premium puts on stamina and she definitely has Where is this a little bit harder to to to to find quick grind. Speak up a little bit better and she might find. those phillies more of an obstacle on fast growing. But yet she some perform again looking at a time form assessment of grind To over winds being in salt three wins. I'm indicating the weekends. Shiels want good At san including jim asked. That's not just good according to The french authorities has good according to time form so she handles from good through salts. And you utah. She'd handled heavy. The question is will handle really quick. Front We don't know that the fact that she handle soft so well Makes it a slight question mark but she's a good moving philly She's a good looker. And she's got scooped for bachelor and she will get stronger again over the winter. I think she's a big player Other the you know the the only question. I have not is a with a unrefined. Wants to a take him not to mention. She doesn't always wants to he's choosy about. Winning comes over to the is not just come up with his best horses. He comes over for the best opportunities on obt if he's you case donors another catfish. Well but he he. He'd rather win french classics hours. If you would just nailing died the bites. Why why a french horses just not been. Training on in recent seafood. Have not been the french stars that the wear and in days gone by talk to me explore that more so the lex hurricane is more familiar with the french seen but i see so many good races in fronts. Night where the one thing you can say before. Well it will be one by french horse because they literally dilemma. Nothing in us or do they got some relative. Outsiders on. Yes they you know. It wasn't a wasn't a terrible weekend for the For the french. And i'm on. I'm not here to them i. I'm just a little bit confused. As to how you can go so long were the pendulum swings from from From the champions being in france to being in the uk to being an ireland's There's a real dynamic than and there's a real about surpremacy Between the mall would also stage where there are a lot of very well bred horses racing france. A lot of a lot of english owners are racing horses in france. Now or older who used to be based in england's necessarily english or living in england Who are happy to have horses in front because it's more cost effective and yet that should be a big bonus for french racing On yet I don't see sways came over unsung group to at some good But what we don't see in frenchtown She sees is like we used to the old as hopefully. It's just it's just a passing phase is just lock but it'd be it'd be a sham. if france's fitting force. I not as there's no reason for that is new. There's no loss of appetite in france. For as far as i can see are a lot of promising trainers coming through five competition and in germany as well You know the the the spanish coming over with with some horse occasion that should be good for competition and finds it should make things even more Hope after talent but As i said. I'm just a cash zone of maybe i'm missing. Something realize partisan french roofing answers to louisville johnson potluck. The brits how to be doing this you know i i. I think you're right. And it's a long time since gokova and her memory lingers on but there isn't a gokova there isn't a butcher the pronunciation again. cd as the zone. All how horrible horrible. But what if. I say it would confidence cds all to rory. I mean he was obviously he was banned from running in the arc because he was a gelding. But he's plenty. You keep pushed frankel all the way in the champions legend of horse. They don't have horses like that anymore. And it's it's very worrying. And of course this is by wooden bassett who stands coolmore southern ireland so their best french-italian has been taken away from them as well But we'll we'll see we'll see how it all plays out I'm just looking at Important doesn't context because viable through this and go on actually know all the all the group races actually gone. She were to french forces but from from june almost from the from the wealth from the classics The region list of washington. We try to make any comments all but Cassamba must basilica incaviglia's skeletons amongst pacific. Joan of arc room hergenhan laws of indices mother. Mariana foods kind of spear perfect park ground. Glory by aid tijuana loving dream. True sean kiss of you. Zeli injured blah space loose talk tasks so unreal. She are those of the winners. In france and the season Significant minority of those being french trend. I think that says it. All i think that says it. All that you just mentioned angelou for rape beckett and frankie dettori Dark angel gets the better of noble. Truth for charlie appleby william buick an ancient rome for more and they filed and miguel barcelona very tightly bunched. Finish and frankie ends up winning push. That is the official line towards the end. How good erase did you think this guitar. Prejean like their grand criterium Was this is. I didn't think it was a good rhys beforehand The winner has has improved. He's very well suited by softens Blue angel balloon Yeah that he was. He was beaten at some beating parodies and ask in july on quick grind And then he turned up Good was in a better risks during the week the vintage stakes not even that nicely really russians. Run there And that was kept by for self bronze electoral It also won. A france of office in may on on soft grunt. Authority was beaten in the coventry. He just seems to need soft ground he's out of galileo. Mira so is that there's a reasonable chance of training on Valuable nick season You know maybe a little bit biased here but when when river looks like your stunt performer. Rhys a little bit concerned. I mean he's he's a talented horse. river A new one sees him as being a a echinacea season. I'm usually on connections and they're entitled to dream was not but you know he's always done well this season but if he's if he's favorite than it's a bit of a dominant diamonds of the of the rest of the money was disappointing. Upper river again. He was you know. He was tackling a trip. That's is probably beyond his ultimum on the grind. You know he's he's the prominence winning a pardon. The interruption folks minor emotion. Mr lucky slight technical difficulties here on the final from podcast as we bring you up. You know. it's it's the return of roy argues back. Don't worry back talking about running on the energy host frost on his his best performance plan for this was coming back after two days off where his interestingly this was a. It's interesting to your surprise. You and i remember him him. Being interviewees actually franking franken story off time enough for nine and he was beating alaska every He need a break. I'm on some record. Set okay fair enough on. Then he looked at the horse Next his His feet Philadel- on he thought i was gonna tell the owner that we were gonna put him away for a few months. But some i'm sticking my neck gotten good because it seems so well after that even the frankie thought that he was flat on that he'd had quite a lot of racing. It was like very early but he can find. It's a good judges opinion. Winning a good on a break and came back here is owned remote. china's is hong kong based. So there's always a chance that he will That he will disappear oversee east Given his his liking for soft ryan. I think that's bragging online thing. So he some yeah. I think they'll race where they got the grind on on how he performs the host will be the The guy good he is. I would be a much stronger. Risks than this But you never know what's a toodle won't be none Very often dynasties and for me. There's not been In the big races through the season seemed to be Whose turn is today that Don't really feel absolute Ans again we gotta Hopefully we see something. We see a bit of a champion. Their native trail obviously is probably the horse to give him give them to the national national stakes. Last time i've as he was the one one of the seasonable juveniles. Who really to orissa parts Where you didn't think i might have. I might have gone differently in different circumstances of sam it very good. Indeed when beating a horse with a big reputation of point lonsdale. so i've thought horses like him will be in a different league to to angel blur but you know he surprise people before Comes up soft for the geospatial. Very likely A little bit disappointed to be honest in in in the juvenile crawl Be delighted if i if i knew march on connections but some ida thoughts As the will be a fair bit better in terms of overall qualities in the The gme given I mean obviously native trails doors that everyone has to beaten. He beat patronage on debut. Look without horses. Gone to cheat Angle blue is angel blue angle blah. You choose is currently third favorite for the race native trails odds-on. Interestingly enough our good friend a lebron hope. I assure you it's not how it's horth is a entered up again but more importantly roy we might finally see glenn phone again. Entered up. hasn't been seen since april and look very very exciting. The kodiak who is owned by a cool mobile. So mrs magner joel. Magna's mother so will miss issaquah. We'll see how that plays out. He turns up. I'd love to see him run listened. You'd say that some big negative thing off for that long but of course some didn't stop tend to brief him from ten. She had a series set by. I don't know what the story is was Was good song as to why. He's been off since april but you know he he won. What is was turned that we have very good made cast astle stars. You know one of the best. Six year olds around this season. So i'll tell you want rory say what i'm just going to say this. If glenn thorn turns up on thursday like it says on the big screen monitor in the final from podcast studio. Lg let's go. let's go more revenge. Godolphin speaking of coolmore the surely doors out of the race is ancient rome. Everything went wrong. Yeah i. I'm not sure that isn't much quite frankly. But i didn't get Arguing together but then again. He was coming from the pants from off. The pace was was probably the the best thing to do through the day but yet he was them He was a long way. Items grinds unfinished very strongly but some Yeah i'm not sure that i'm not sure. I have one that engine room in my horses. Volker season particularly warfronts as well. Oh common after warfront. Oh you've got show. Oh that's tough rory. Just coming in up poro warfront hundred fifty thousand dollars to cover them to send you for the pleasure of your hair. Being sent to him very much does very well. There's two year olds. He does and then they do fec on Yeah i i. I could be wrong about this but i think i've something i think i've noticed a policy and i'll tell you can this is Our friends at The brian site. I think that's cool. More are moving away from more from. I think that they are very much headed towards the dubai we direction and If you're others as well. But i think the war front. The waterfront project has come to an end. It i think. I don't think there's been as many mayors sent to as in the past and i don't think they've it could turn out now that i'm going to get blasted on twitter. As did you see the magnitude. Seven point five million award from to gain and We'll have to wait and see but the plan. Apparently with ancient. Rome is for him to go to the Criterion the some clue international international. Sim him very well. Yeah Good johnson on it First of all a society. He's finished with ronald from off the past too far back as well with his pedigree. Yes exactly The things about am. I was like a. It's a it's a seven furlongs which is not most of the horses who run the net because of the time it comes the season Are essentially sort of mild monitor. Quarter horses for the future. It's not necessarily the best task awesome because it's only seven. I was the phillies racism. Mind on us like just you. Y'all at one believed to have fun. You know to have these trials as sit side by side for the phillies risk to be to be over further than the the colts. Even though the the they're ascension for the same kind of horses so ancient rome wouldn't have been particularly well suited by dropping by december falls on paper at least And backup a mile for the for the criterium international api player now. I'm just not sure. I want him for next season. And i'm not sure that Being unlucky in at a sub-standard group one is Good long-term but in fairness i. I made the point to Andre with sally her forms not good enough for the guineas on paper. Either but i think he's very going the right way. And he's he's essentially grooming her for the future student something similar for engine rule in the way but again not pedigrees a little bit of a. It's a bit of a mixed bag isn't it. Looks like he should be about a three year old given it some Given the the the horses he's related to but I'm i'm with you. i'm more to one to. it's well i'm most gifted. They're they're six seven foot owners On paper you know the should be more stamina. And he looks like he's got the stamina. But i'm just not sure how he's gonna develop from two to three just just because of what we have. Horses similar pedigrees before. There is a possibility that we see him at del mar. There's a possibility that the breeders cup instead. That'd be interesting if he was going over the juvenile turf mile and We'll see how that pans out. Would that mean that eight new. Brian is not sending something over his that. Way coolmore or doing that. We'll have to wait and see As for zilly The great quote from underway. Fob afterwards was there will be no marathons for her. She's an out note miler in his mind for next season. And i hope she turns out to be a real superstar. Very briefly. rory we'll touch on the previous opera closely related very good opera winner. So you know well then and see what she thinks. Send over to pam. Let's get going to get the get the champion bumper don't i and in the classic Of course else around in bombay rhino put. Anyway we can. We can dream the pre laura What did you make of this year's one that finally actually go right by the about the offer given that some you find the winner. But i thought the winner was a little bit what i thought again. The man contenders all came from from off the pace there And again if you stop the race with fertile and a half to run You thoughts on. And i told you that dario beats Span us all What was going to happen at the time but some as span made the running shoes wealth While supported the today she appeared to travel fritzy well Until a couple of alongside or then moved up troubling very easily. Um bots didn't get home. No we knew she goes get home because cracker the rains last year. So there's no problem either with the conditions or was the trip for doria. It's just a for whatever for whatever reason the way the trunk road on the day Meant the houses layer challenge So vital jeeter very well to before but she looked sure to win on double bell was at his best there he gave her a cracker verve chance Ratio came from a long way off the pace. I'm on some kim martin. John did the right thing with a affiliate scenario brought a wide From stolen stole fourteen to get a clear. Run up the street. So one thing you don't want to do in this scenario grinds which is self sporting on having to give everyone aside there You don't wanna have your momentum interrupted because you can't get it back again So he's come a wide She got a clear ronn. I stayed on well to To to pick it up on the line from from grand glory herself. was In mid division also came wide. So it's there's a pattern developing here. It has been an advantage to come from the is being independently scum off the rail with your run on those ugandan in front early ended up probably on the worst of the grinds The the ice haidari finished third again. She was probably Last of all Again drill and wide And she hasn't come why but she's managed to wave away through the field From the rear to get up for third so this clearly a bias against those racing racing prominently there because of the conditions I'd wanna i wouldn't know tolerant At other another winner today for the f. rossi's But some yeah you could see that responding very differently in slightly different conditions slightly different. Pays all the different role right as well So i it's. It's not the most solid from the weekend. No i would have to agree with that. Even though i managed to fund the one or to just to clarify it was one of my famous each way. Lookie three's Which featured ancient rome placing thank you. Mother earth placing welcome to placing. Thank you very much Real world who a force clue on site is back side. Bits back baby. Destiny only signed rose problem though If you go to a standing joke that some that if they held plastics and Nothing human in this and then ultimately really well always it always seems The the the good old ready for the for the guineas on the often weren't ready for army and then suddenly little oldest start blossoming fight. Well you know. We've had all the big races in the uk by nas stage. Virtually super Very patient with this forces Any tends to get results in the end. But he's complained that you the classic cokes from becoming off because they're not gonna be ready for classic side. That's the problem is if you want you wanna classic winter you gotta give the appleby because he just seems to be a lot better with was Getting results to rules. And you want to be getting results on the border to to be able to find out who your classic prospects are Scientists is very good but the older horse. He's very good with horses. You've got problems You often wonder you'll see hoesch running. An a maiden of four is cost a fortune Pretty much angie is going to be joined by side bins. you're on. He always returns a fifth on the Tends to be justified more often than not but The issue is hits strips too late in the season. is incredible number three winners of the of the cancer meeting. Her saieed was jason hall. Include the candidates of course on some real world is absolute superstar But here he is. You know it's it's towards the we find is a superstar towards the end of his campaign I'm that's maybe that's not necessarily criticism of May be just really taken Patience and a lot of time To honor thoughts that talent was was real world but given his horse who is almost untouchable turf. Why the hell they not run on turf until genetic very good question very very good. But when you very good horse straightaway because he absolutely ran away with one of the most competitive handicap season. A of ninety four. Don't win the role company. Four hundred quarter lengths would you less. Grind is bald but a firm grind role cup to be torn by the way he did. It was assigned a very good horse on the way he wanted. Enlisted company and uber. Next time it was absolutely gog smacking. Nobody's one by not far but that he was pretty position. It was the way he beat undergone surmount. He hasn't just got their sleep with him or is he is going to get that. He wins by a length and a quarter. He's going on so well at the finish. These actually got clear align with a look for a long long time and he wasn't going to get there on he's he's probably not how to improve an awful lot If a toll on us To win the Stress'll six at your which is A representative group three but obviously not agree prize on. Then he's going to step up again here to To win the the pre wildenstein again. He's he's not facing the very best horses On he's given especially. It was all like this time but the soft grime wouldn't necessarily have susan given high effective. He showed himself on a very quick surface. Prior to that we're going to need for next year. To image running or guardia is if if if he retires. I think site will will rise. I think there's a there's a number of things here. first of all he's beating. The revenue loves these conditions. And frankie took over and that was probably harsh on on the young fellow but at the same time the right decision and Frankie are still very very strong and on frankie's done well from this season. I don't know actually need to check the quote from site afterwards. The say that they were going to potentially go for the qe too. I think that's what they're gonna do actually they're going to go for the qa to next and of course ground won't be an issue for him. I made a comment on this show. Two years ago rory believe you were on it and i said When get a good horses are are well backed you really need to sit up and take notice. And somebody said who he's talking about sure. Sure sure date back those horses talking to a chick muhammad with little bags going up and down the lights yes. That's exactly what happens. It's shake my hand in disguise. Going up and down the lines with the little bags we're fake feared a whole team of people on the machine as well Getting stuck in these godolphin horses that that are going to win or that have massive reputations. Get so heavily backed and the money that came for this fellow was unbelievable. I mean it was absolutely ridiculous short. He went i. I'm delighted that he won. Because i love this source so excited to see him in the queue to. I'm so excited. To see him. Next season and just to briefly touch on saieed he through what can only be described as a hissy hissy fit which results in the resignation of john ferguson. He says that he's not getting the best of the horses. He's saddled with this useless jockey. Thrust upon him forced to use this utterly brutal jockey in james doyle who who couldn't right cathy. Barry never mind the racehorse direct quote from site inside even and james doyle went down to australia and road for goodell from one of their jockeys got injured and he took full advantage of that opportunity. Any basically just gave the two fingers and showed a great talent. he is sites still won't use them. That sites prerogative your hundred percent right in the sense that charlie appleby has been producing the goods but there is a point to what saieed was saying that he's not being given the town's he he's not being given the prospects and this is the man who for years was a contender to ignore brian crown. It was those two battling it out to be champion trainer in in the uk and saieed is on I've done this before the show. So let's go and do it again for the season. Seven hundred ninety one thousand pounds is the amount of money that or has has won this year. the amount of money Taken by mr. Charlie appleby the season i believe is three point. Seven million off the top of my head policies on wrong. It's three point. Eight million You know it's it's it's just a different world But he's got real world and he's got a number of other little horses that are that are coming through as well. He's got he's got ben battle is going to be going for the dubai world cup next season and Yeah we'll We'll see how. It all plays out. But i i would genuinely like to see saieed back in the big time. And he's he's in tremendous form now he had a double today with real world and Dubai hope winning so yeah go on go on come back keep it on a tuber silencer exactly exactly follow. Follow seed sources over only the entire british season. people believe today joking is Godolphin hampton. Which has i normally. I'm what they need to do. Is they need to assign horses. Biggest on the strengths for their trainers. Just playing that chokes me. I'll pick if you pick a super bowl team. Still give give the trainers. That are picking of fun of what's coming side does not do early. Two year olds true but he does bring horses along. Well he's able to get horses to blossom when they're older. Now someone say that maybe isn't as as as much of a strength as songs They've been suggested a different trainer would get those same horses to blossom a year earlier and be winning route one when they're three rather than at the end of their for your career but then that may not be the case. A lotta a lotta forces get asked too much too soon on some on blu odds we every year we forget what we said. All is gonna be a superstar. Based on you know stop rana's a two year old Unsightly miserable does not get Bought you know he's won a lotta great races over the years On if there are horses who are clearly be buckled in need time. He's perhaps the money to do that. Whereas the courses that you think are going to blossom early then chani applebee's more likely to be able to do not for them so it's a little complicated the not as well but basically robbed saying right. Lots here. Hundred horses chinese. I pay you. Don't sign them. E say right What are your what are your facility. Scientists remarkably similar given them a new market. What are your strengths. What are your strengths. what are what. are you going to struggle. With what are you gonna be particularly good on. Let's find those horses. That fit the niche That that will get the All side of everything. And of course just charlie incitements or there's also the small matter of junk. Yeah who you think. Really pinza rooney. What's he doing these days training arabia. What he's doing it's dance. I so a. I think he i think he's certain old number motorway somewhat. Riyadh butts dr operation. I'd love to have my license spike. I i thought. I thought somebody maybe this fever dream. But i'm certain that i was having a conversation with a big time charlie. Who's telling me that you're not going to believe this but muhammed training arabian thoroughbred stairs. Yeah that's that's what he's done. That was a diploma. Believe yet some That'll keep in touch with us actually got a license but he did apply. Apply for licensed. I believe in the summer In I think i'd always see the beach. I don't think very hard about this because it's easy to keep If he's training arabians in the in the district. That's around us. Non our patch but if he gets licensed by the decides to your molested by the uk to trim then you back different jurisdiction but in a you can't afford to this is what The famous did with some different scenario was further. Lynch is basically right We never want never in our door again but some we won't strictly published What we've done on you can bumper off to america. That's a good point. Brought up the fines that he'd been he'd be bound here that the american authorities new anything to budget spread. He's he's writing successfully writing this district for quite a while they was he again was suspended. opt brooke as the five. That's you know you have this sort of idea of out of mind mentality You know behind the guy for eight years has crowns. What going to do in eight years or up On the answer is you don't really know what you know. Really as long as he left the country immediately everyone. Everyone in authority was happy Which is why you have. This kiss was hired so quickly that we wanted to tidy up loose ends which is wrapped up dramatically. I yes and then the attorney. Lots of questions to ask afterwards In terms of another bunch of horses who tested positive for steroids That he happened volunteers. The information about but that's already left the country and he wasn't a licensed journey. Moore's couldn't ask him any questions tremendous work. That's that's kind of i. I'm sure lessons have been learned because every every day. There's an accident disaster. Risk course which rules Lessons will be learned from this. But louis lesson ever learned to executive adan things just let executives happened before we couldn't possibly envisage this happening. Rory larry so. That is as as i was googling this or i should say duck duck going this To just find out if i was raised with that You say and of course there's always we've learned from this literally the headline on pollick report dot com. I've learned from my mistake on a return training after eight year ban. Jesus christ my state was. Don't give your horses on a bull. Extinguish one can make i mean. I know i know what happened. He tripped and fell and and the anabolic steroids. Just like oh oh no. Oh what happened. Oh dearie me. And and you know he. He was as clumsy as Manuel in fawlty towers. And every now and again he would just go. Oh don't know put another steroid steroid into one of my resources. Zinc's what do i do your. he's He's back he is back and i don't know what conversation islands Because he's just said. I'm not seen as in the next two makes watches because he actually sit in this thing. Eight years was too harsh. I'm not saying there shouldn't have been punished. I had to be punished. But i think eight years it was like a sentence for killing someone. I thought they banned me for three years four years. Maximum is the thing that kind of annoys me. The idea still feeling you cheat man. You're fucking drunk. I'm still feeling bitter. Says this drug cheap better a by night. But i'm still drinking bitter plenty to be anyway. That's that's kind of what alpha tangent there on the weekend review. Yes split great one. The i i thoroughly enjoyed that one. let's Let's go from from siam. That was the saturday Rouge year saving my my lookie sixty three in some bit of embarrassment real world do the same thing Adl mcginnis comes on overseas comes over. Adri mcginnis with ronin whalen and A case of you gets the job done in the pre lab group one now. I am delighted for him. But as we'll be short with this Glass slippers is beaten five lengths. suissa gets fairly well thumbed. The grounds wasn't the best I thought quite a bit of eighty nine source thought that's Romantic propose was going to run a big race here Which power has been quite. Well hell to is this. Just another example of the sprinters just keep bonn beaten wanted another. Yeah pretty much the Five races are we were. We were fortunate to have a performance task for For years in this division but even he kept getting beaten in raises lightly by You know you want want. He did win at once But he was always about student better than anything else in his vision on the east still There were still defeats Regularly on his on his cv The price is it's a funny race. You look at the list of winners in this. You look at I sold it a few years ago. Dutch masterpiece was favorite. For this. what yeah lords. Unlike in a this is a horse to add. I'd run once in a group race prior to the binding running in handicaps through this season but again that's one of those things that the notion is that. If you happen to be going in the right direction at the time you could have big chance in the advice on she at a reasonable draw. The the draws is very important. You need to be jewel low So a little unlucky for for rum slippers. He was who was widely try. Suazo was way out of it. In terms of the draw she was drawn. Installed twelve She ronald well lived on. I don't really photos before Sueno she won the the king. George decor is good but that was an upset bazaar she was. You know to go to the best horse in that risk but it was The other seems to be absolutely adamant that they're going to beat each other or stop each other from winning and she just sealed through massive gap Towards the favorite rail to win the but she is very good She some She's affiliate. Who sean sean i could. She is This season by not everything going for her but five rooms Out of thought Very and the trial was always test. Her she she run perfectly respectively and v In a the lights most lisa. Who run a terrific freighter nichols enforce there She was she was widened. Try as well but you know. Mostly been a a an offer for her yard this season but Or was she six months ago winning seller winning a cell once again. There is an interruption to the brooklyn sleeves and gentlemen royds argues wifi slightly drops edge. Now the thing about this is that roy is not aware Mary is back again. You were just saying that a seller et cetera. Tell you which kind of reminds me of win a certain trainer by the name of what was it again Oh that's right had been bins. Rooney would somehow take a horse that was running in southwell and Winning handicaps they're going in the dubai world cup of you wonder how he did that. Speculation speculation but rebel. Rubber rubber rebel. But yeah mo- mostly the you're right before he disappeared. I was saying she's there's a bit of a A connection between mussa later on a a miracle sober. The people of a certain age will remember who was an opposite at superstars bridge But she started off in being a lot of material on she She want to sell her on her. Three it'll reappearance. I think or maybe your second start as a three year olds and then ended up being being a a great one winner and she would've been she would have been the outstanding sprinter of ninety. Three bought four officials obt. Who is one of the best. We we see it in a long time but yeah so like Like a sober or sobils ridden by Ignorant niklas father Hence the comparison between the yes. She was winning sellers spring. She's improved an awful loss Bus no-one would have said that she was a A group one winner winner and wasting she's crocker to be forced from banjul there Air devos who who led all the way until the line was called right on the line by a case of you You know she. She's a five year old mayor. Who i think has has lost her last dozen races. This is meant to be the best sprint. in europe. it clearly is but it's a particular test it it partially suits blazing speed also also helps horses who likes Speed on occasion. He wasn't the first recent times to flew on picks up them Lead close home in this race. The last half of the abai seems to take forever goes is strange. It's a strange camera angle. Anyway a low. But you'll get the impression your posts in the you have the other winning posted. It seems that well for another thirty seconds after that. Yeah it's a very strange But again if you're not near the real economy can be difficult. The winners to she to take a bump early in the race to hold positions. She's shown a lot of them so he rather has Has shown a lot of a gusts to to do that Interestingly run his best race on the in the back in the day again is perfect storm for a case if you eat His best form has common. Soft rhymes handles heavy. Very well He's come up short a couple times in company But he's iran very well in the in the flying five. Last time is clearly came here. The top was game was he young supplemented for this. I think he was a big big coal for for What people would would probably describe as a small yard but a very successful yard On the very news time day. We're talking about moore and onto money. He's won so far this season. It's actually the same amount of money that Adrian mcginnis has one seven hundred and fifty grand so far this season and that's only ireland that doesn't include the stories which is for this which is a tremendous results for nearly one hundred eighty. I don't think a case of you is going to win hot fluke season. You never know you know the whole thing about About racehorses is high they progress from from season to season sometimes you get the impression horses of recent limits on. They just physically find more developments and the they they surprise you on other horses. Look like they're untouchable. Look at love. This season love last season roller. We've actually impossible and she just essentially. It's the same form but is is being given harder tasks by the fact that she is some You know she's she's up there on the free skill on an older horse presume. We see her next in the breeders cup turf. Thought so that yeah. We'll see after the. It's always an interesting test from off the trainer. You know when you go to a landing at her. Can you get them back on. A lot of the best phillies Historically have shown their form a little bit more sporadically as they get older but they often show The best form. They're older but there can be worry. Not so be interesting to see if some in lebron's can cook performed side have loved that but it's on a par with what she did last season We in charge you know in terms of winning a up at group one. She don't call solid moral to go and rotator cup turf and not the phillies. But we'll we'll have to see what i just thought. So i mean i think the What the hell else is gonna run awhile. I suppose. I think you could argue. This is probably. She's probably better over. My quarter of half nine is that because of her victory. Roy ascott yell. Also that's best performers. Benny monitor means but a show over there. Yeah i think when when you look at that race In the context of what's happened since it wasn't a very strong Prince of wales's stakes which is clearly effective without trip She hasn't looked stronger. The finish of races of She was doing it last year but she was. She was classing her rivals. Essentially she won the guineas last year. So you know she was. She was fully effective with a mile. I think if he wants to make a judgment about her best trip you probably some on the quarter So they might be tempted by by the affiliate merger tourist. But you know it's all about which i she wanna roll I hope ones or the free ones and well. Here's the other thing. Where the hell are mogul. Japan who cares care ori justice. Sweet sweet justice for mogul in japan first and second in the low jeez longings breeders cup turf and fairness the pair them the ramming fast grind. So you might as well be our official time partner on the final front. Podcast is indeed long jeans age mcginnis. I'm delighted for him. Delighted for wheel as well. This is the fifth win at a ten for a case of you and the fifty three year old to win the race in the last ten years. So keep that. Keep that in mind for next year. Although of course was a three-year-old and that didn't exactly work out a whole pile for you Space smooth briefly a pretty smooth winter on so you know fully The forty was a strongest. And i've ever seen But he did. He did a pretty. He's been He's been really consistent. Astro ryan the top level. For a few seasons nigh He was well placed on well written by william beer. He's gotta live. I got a lot of flack rather Over the weekend For his writing space losing. Exactly the right spot here Held him up Potiskum wide to stay out of trouble on some finished off very nicely to pro-school back a couple of lengths i don't it's group to for me But again that tends to be the case. It's a seven phone on contest because only is one real one option through the season. We don't tend to see that. Many seven specialists An exit a competitive race box. I don't think space blues has suddenly taken his form up on north. Is this michael diners as his best effort performance. But i think he's been around long enough When there's no secrets Abidin mini maury handles handle all kinds of crimes He hasn't He huddle actually walnut on a saucer. Since his debut he was amid winner and soft ground on his form since then has come on On slightly quick agron aluminum not necessarily rolling fast. Good run generally. I don't remember him being very weak in the market at good for the lennox stakes Because the grinded softened up. Debbie iran Iran a very good race. He's only beaten half a length. I'm into lennox rivals on on the kinross. Yep Some eso sue. I suppose it was like question mark about high well. He would cope with the crime but it was just given a very good ride. And he's a very reliable sources you know how many wins as Eleven or twelve wins in his career. He's ten ten wins under. eighteen runs. Ten wins one point one million in prize money. He's been just star. Apparently very much speaking on your opinion. Breeders cup mile next It's it's a possibility we've seen horses win the breeders cup mile who who's fall had been some at sussex seven photos before that dumbers too tight try so my wealth Know he's he does have the form a quick surface Yes it's possible. I don't i don't think he's a. He's a major player on that but again we need the final feels the decline It's you know the division. He runs into slightly weaker than the mouth. Vision there is. It's easier pickings for him. Generally there is Dubai are laura. King was on with as recently in apologies because my covert it just took me about seven monster applaud. The irish champions weekend review Sorry everybody but we got there in the end and laura's star and she was talking about how do by a really ramping it up for next season and one of the new things that they've introduced is a seven furlong race the big night of march. So that was being slow isn't blue. They've got a they've got a few So this was being suggested for space blues. But charlie appleby seemed to be making some sort of suggestions that this could be his final season he goes off and i think he deserves that even now donald. That'll be Homage call true true. But i'm just wondering if shaykh muhammad has already said it to him. Yes it's his last season so make the most of us. Plus they've got. This is winning. As if he's on that will tyne essentially looking at ratings for previous winds on time for ratings is best performance by a pond. I think that they won the morris. The east A couple years ago he did last year. That's that's very close your the no one wants to talk about. So if he's hitting that form. And i'm slightly better roy argue disappears again on the final podcast. Which gives us time to tell you. The poll ferguson is going to be joining us as we discuss. His new book jumpers to follow. We'll give you details about how you can get it we'll you it'll be thinking of races onto by world cup night. Confused confused thinking as you dropped out roy So the the A gravy train coat for you to get a discount on paul's book and We're gonna talk about the jump season and look at to that. But roy and i've got a lot more flat horses to talk about on future. Podcasts as well please got Just talking about that some race. May dan they do. Have a nice source coal creative force indeed. So he'll be all right they'll be all right the poison blue. They've got something for it. They're not going to be stuck Patties absolute stormer pearls galore and Once again just advertising yourself so as we come to the end it felt appropriate. That actually better get this out of the way first of all. I'm going to save that race. Let's let's go to new market instead sell showy saffron beach beats mother by country my look like a big win for jail behind again who just continues to prove yourself to be a fantastic trainer Great ride from william buick and mother earth again just proves to be banker material when it comes to to placing. She has not been out of the first three all season. And i believe every run that she has had this year as come in and groupon company. Indeed it has. I'm just your contractually obliged to say she's dunst every towns i will. I will allow you sir. The honor of saying What i was very taken with was aidan. O'brien getting stuck into shane. Foley and saying that he should have been banned for a month. Was it a month or ten months. He said for the ride on speak alexander. And what i'm very taken with and i will hold my hands up if this if this is something that i've missed but i- scoured the media before i came at a boatload of meetings today but Ooh zoom nearly blew up but i I scoured the The reports and i didn't see any mention from anybody of why isn't brian would be saying this and why why he would be so insensitive to bring it up now. This is an interview with the racing post. And and o'brien nearly lost her life and one could suggest the chain foley was the jockey at fault and i met anna. At cheltenham after that are distinctly. Remember that accident. Remember the helicopter flying over my head going to the you h- h and it was a horrific fall in killarney in thousand seventeen and i remember meeting on a at cheltenham. In march of twenty eighteen. She still had the neckbrace on and she was still determined to be a jockey again. But just never going to happen. She writes out she rides out lots at ballydoyle and and that's nice but her career as a jockey was over because if she takes another fall that's it it's game over And i know that with my own back and she will be. She's a lovely person and she'll never say it but she'll be in constant pain for the rest of her life that's just the way it is And i. I was surprised that that didn't seem to be picked up on. I don't have any issue with aidan. Highlighting that i don't have an issue with them bringing it up either but i i also don't certainly don't have an issue when it may very well be a personal thing because what happened was absolutely horrific and Coolmore very generously donated millions to the service and it was the armed service that saved and his life so And they're going to continue to support them for the next few years which is great but that was just an interesting story From the weekend about no speak alexander who ran in this race mother. Earth is one of my favorite horses. The season's just keeps on running her race. No speaker alexander zilch from her shale has been a bitter disappointment saffron beach though was the absolute star of the show. Roy she was an interesting to chat with some with my Brother and arms. Mr massey salvage the day before the guru with his his mississippi side with legrand or not as she will need also sharp stakes on soft last weekend actually an adequate different at different tracks true. But i i need to the car. Which side was was david on. Which side was david's from beaches. A good thing until she was a great bath on. I'm not sure i got involved. I don't think he themselves to be argumentative but interestingly His his other half pointed to the the jim chapel hammer south said Bronze is a strange because obviously she was wellbeing. The nothing you were everything was yeah it was just you know that was wrong. Risk for her. She's not my la philly but you tend to you. Know there's only a couple of classes Crowder out to be second of other in the guineas So why not. Why not take a chance. But i probably don't for back a little bit on fireplace again. Challenged ferry good handler She doesn't get fashionable horses. She gets results on. Beaches include caught style. She she proved to run the guineas Was new was no fluke. Atallah sheets on. She'd want a crock here. in the Gwen prize that forms. Which i'm very well as well So you know. The questions asked through abide. Hi good to form that. She chewing last year of the league. Rhys but she'd showed a lot of guts in winning or two starts as a two year old and she didn't know she did not look to girl she's very much. Bread three will be Daughter of new bay on some yeah. It's it's great to see that justifies With with a very impressive performance and yes that ironically She was almost certainly helped by the soft here on that she handles on wanted to the phillies in behind her wouldn't have on. The joel probably came into the equation. On the day as well It helps to be true unreasonably close to where the speed was But a few slow launch was very disappointing. Us to be said she's Look anything like herself on the day. Quite weak in the market but she was in trouble a long long way from home. that i- supreme bashar labradors blue. Were never going to handle the conditions really on some yes Mother she's a tough season but she she turned up again On sheron her race She wasn't out her very best in finishing. Second but again just outs to her record. Bill Toughing every time she sees reinforce placed in nine consecutive group one races. that's some. That's a remarkable remarkable achievements She she won't be remembered as one of the grits Bought great isn't justified a by putting up devastating performances in my boot. It's about coming back for more. Well said one hundred hundred that she off to american. So obviously sharon there last year. Finishing second in the breeders cup juvenile fillies turf and Question is going to be what they do do they do. They roll the dice and go for the of Because that of course was going to be the intended. Run for the now sadly departed santa. Barbara god Just as they go over to the so the peak of her power just as as they got it right and they tried everything to savor but the ozzy's got the rug pulled out from under them because they've rerouted mother earth thin and she's going to go to american american-arab this year on the beaches couple mile to she run the philly murph to the stretcher. We'll we'll have to wait and see. Personally roy alexi in the mile. I let him in the model. I think that makes more sense. It is quite a stretch on the As while three as a mining three isn't it rather than a manager. So that's you know it's one thing thinking you might get away with an extra couple of fronts. But three among go is is usually too much on. Unless you've been crying out for crying out for us no no. She's not i. i don't think she's done for the season by the way. I think that In terms of like i don't think that her powers are diminished. The back on good ground in america. I del mar. She could be a huge player in the mile. And we don't know who's gonna come over. We like is john. Gosden gonna run thomas. Peer or going to is not think all as training for breeders cup before swear to the true enough bake successes was with thumb royal heroine. It was it was very good here. For bari hills amongst the stats. He got it then. When he trained in america california she was she was absolutely top notch. There i don't think he's. I don't think he's as a rule model numbers cup with with the house here and he's always had his mind sort of From from a long time ago To pick up late season targets. Because that's very much what is What has led. Father was very good at as well. alone a a. Longtime ago fifty. Sixty years ago while eeking of john gosden and i should say john and data dozen. I was thinking and loyal final. Furlan podcast listeners. We're all thinking of our good friend and a glass was raised in the air and poured out on the ground in tribute. Poor one out for one of the best. The great roy who was absolutely devastated when tru shannon came through an absolutely destroyed shredded varies. Just as he predicted it would happen. If every man in the goal comfort ascott but of course he got pulled out. I said my biggest thing though bad this season openness. Suddenly ya That's that's that's without My massive plunge sean Trish on this little cup. It makes no sense especially when the forecast was for is posts in the forecast was for the reds who arrived early on thursday. I thought i'd make him being evens each to their as it sounds If the rain arise might not come on of course it ends up. Big good thing was never my good to firm firm fucking up. Allen king made the right decision not to run for stressing but you can use. I'm of the opinion it'd be perfect. Good good crohn's. I'm looking at his career record. King news horseback than me and says he must. He must have saw france. You know you keep him up for these racist white by the weather changes here. But he's taken it three times this year. I will tell you rights. he cannot. It's temples i don't was he. Edged at don't custer was all right here. we go ready chester. He finished his second to japan. Ascott non runners unsuitable ground He gets beaten that newcastle winds at goodwood. Very impressively non-runner at york unsuitable ground non-runner doncaster's self sir Bsn of course they'll they should meet again at ask but again i'm not joining gosden. Might think twice about running various unverified last what happened last year. He was very much put in his place. Hasn't he just done all the you can ask him to do. And that's it and one of one of the beautiful things about this race was stratovarius looming up for for a brief moment. I thought oh he's gonna both up. And then all of a sudden james intrusion just comes through and that's it couldn't good look by and if they meet ascott and soft is even in the description maybe about maybe back to two miles. It changes things a little bit. But i would say good night. I don't think it's all you don't think dropping back to moslem difference. Let's face it. i'm the warhorse. He wasn't proven at the trip was attrition because otherwise wanna go come true shot it. Only one or two miles king kept saying it actually was is concerned so devastatingly impressive performance from from true sean and eighth. He continues to get his ground. Which who the hell knows certainly will ask. You would think so you would think so with champions day so that should seuss princess zoe winner of this race last year and fancy by many on the same risks. This time ron in just feeling third. That is a fascinating take on otherwise and saying i'm just saying that. Also sean. you know the risks She chasing time a Tiring leader in the wrist last year and look and see her or peoria last year. And i know you love. The yours was one hundred twelve for this year's one hundred ten. Yes you're right. There's nothing in it This this was just the stars in the race. This year weren't last year. Which is of what i was looking for oil right cathy. Barry appear in your screen Do tony mullins. Form isn't exactly the best this season either or at least not necessarily listenable recently had the same aside from her. You could have said the same Last year i'm sure perfectly legal doesn't have the string that some trainers do on. He'll he'll tell you why in no uncertain terms if you ask him Unlevel playing field but some say she just missed just For full should say um so time given a rate of one hundred fourteen for finishing fifth this year on when she won last year they give identical renting just a much stronger racy. Lovely mirror know And she i if there were more races over three miles on the flops. sheets Should be multiple. She she will. That's say she's slow. No no no. No i complete. You're coming from. I don't think you're being socially at all Tony allen sent out. Eighteen jumpers so far this season five of those horses have placed and in terms of his sources on the flash. He's had one horse run in the uk obviously prince. Oh finishing second in the gold cup. You said thirty. Two runners on the flat this season three of them have placed zero winners so hasn't hasn't been the easiest of seasons form in fairness and I but the sound of things this could be could be for. Princess oishi could be heading to the paddocks but what an incredible horse. She's been for him and he deserves an enormous amount of praise for how he's campaigned. And the success that he's had with her and it's just that for one reason or another. He's not quite having the season that he has had in the past bush Take nothing away from the What was your standard just being is. That sounded wasn't what. I was expecting builder. Can you stolen americal princess zoe. It's not that long since she since she was so wonder industry. Industry belli's tied in two thousand seven as i've i'm patrick pentecost. I'm trying to think of the there was a coolmore horse. The had the i had an identical name to to another one bought. The difference was that one was bred in ireland and the other was bred in the united states. Zoe is brad efficiency gentleman's y'all so the other muslim was an irish brands. You can if anybody can think of the ballydoyle horse that shared the same name as a former stable companion and ran within a few years of. Please do tweet. Final pod as radio. Ms and Putting the hashtag f. p. con first person who gets it right. We'll send you sure out of out of much more monday in level The trainer Charge at two different horses. Called luton's jen. Par of twenty years twenty years apart or is it the same name but at the same trainer and the same colors cheeses. The punters back. Then it must be like who is going to witchcraft. Is this not. Since josh wouldn't gm park nine hundred eighty woodland's jam power nine thousand nine hundred ninety s mental schranz by peter crayons. Seriously if you can think of the because this is just annoy me if you can think of the aidan. O'brien coolmore owned racehorse source. Who shared the exact same name as a previous source that he trained within only a couple of years. Then tweet at radio hashtag at p. comp and a new podcast will be on its way to you as They are of given notifications. They have been sent out So sophie sophie beach ner and simon. Beefy y'all get ready get ready for the gravy because your mugs are on the way And their new and they're slick and a cool and the personalized There's an opportunity for you one very soon as well That's it aside from. What was your highlight of the weekend. Roy doggy personally. It was was Zeli who I was pretty confident. eventually Interest was also was the was the highlight of the of the weekend again. Try to try to appreciate the art. From the from the point of view of the connections of the horse Just a if you're able to go back emotional again on. Think about the connections and not not not. You should try to appreciate this. But they absolutely loved it and they really funded the horse on You know the trinite. The whole story of the trainers bond with a horse before licensed trainzone. He's only in the second season of telling that story on. I full stories tremendous but just briefly break that story. Denver's i'm i'm. I'm not an expert on the story but but some a but the the trainer had been numb had been assistant until getting a license The start of the season leila. He looked after talk toward tasso when he ruled. The horse is every day on. The pair of them were inseparable. We thought the world horse it really was unlike a lot of big yards where trainers at high opinions of the horses in the care they don't necessarily spend a huge amount of time with them But this is a case of a trainer who utterly devoted to this particular horse absolutely convinced his star quality on for that to be born on the big stage on Yeah it is a great story I i don't want. I want to suggest that could summit up entirely but you miss that these days. Everything's very oprah these days on the passion from the conditions. throw qatar. tasso. I'm the unmitigated. Joy was tremendous to behold I thought it was covered reasonably well in the day but it was it would medium bash her. Had we been teed up for us you know. Whereas he didn't there was no talk without beforehand. there was no talk about the potential dream here. which you know if it was not running nationally cover all angles and you talk about what. What the great stories the race would be and this was the story of the but unfortunately it was deemed to be so unlikely before handed. It wasn't it wasn't covered on that kind of caught up with it very quickly. Afterwards i think if you if you immerse yourself about little bit four hundred than what's the risks again. I think you'll get a real positive interest. Where did you watch it. I was watching the international food. With some holt. I was watching it with Sunyani who said he wanted to watch something else. So what are you watching. I watched it. I wasn't nice of yeah same same as me so you. You were watching simon as well. some simon holds and Can't quite remember who it was was with them but I thought under the circumstances given that simon was just there with his his Colored commentator if you like that. It's it's kind of difficult when you don't have a presenter truck and you don't have somebody out there to interview interview connections. It's not a whole lot that you can do so. I thought in the circumstances that did did very very well. But the looking back at the weekend Again did my conquers and you know. It doesn't matter. Because i completely agree with you because i think that this is an incredible story as well torquato tasso the fact that it's rays i ever right a long show that he didn't really know what to say. Afterwards the as you said the the story about marcel and his connection to the the fact that he's young trainer and the fact that this sources german bread and german trained. You think it's it's very clear that the the superpower is european racing are the united kingdom and the republic of ireland followed by france and and then it's germany italy spain but the three superpower jurisdictions are the uk are in france and Every again germany pop something and this was great. I loved it. I just loved the style. In how rene rode the horse and you are right that if he had taken the pro push out. maybe the horse would've waved. Maybe the worst would have would have swerved bought. It was just that the close up finish is christoph- simion gone. Who the fuck is that. A james james giving it everything and rene just gently persuading the horse over the line. It was it was stunning to watch and we build up to this race all year. It is the premier event. And i think you're i. I had to ask the question in an alternate reality in the marvel studios. What if this racist run. Good groundwater we get your one hundred percent right to say we get this winter because this is the worst who won the race of so it's appreciate for for who he is and Who knows what he does next. If it turns out to be soft ground for the breeders cup for some reason game on game on may pick deal for for German breeding industry as well downturn. So it'll be freshmen. retired. I think as on as was pointed on the coverage you know the the The breeding industry is Is very solid. But it doesn't produce huge numbers on what's up against something they'd sell. They like to work on a little bit. there's some his signed a longer with us. He passed away in two thousand sixteen. So Yeah so that's you know so. He's he's an old vs an audition placement for for his sire and he's a very good fit in terms of the policies posey's he passed away this year. His his stud fee was sixteen. thousand euro. Sodas kobe folks cove. Frankel him a superstar. No the i mean. I wonder how many people are going to be Interested in the in the legs of in swoop now and You particularly when you look back at in super finishing second to to sought saas. There's a reason that coolmore bought says There's a reason that they want him at feathered and it was a perfect timing as well given the fact that he's a asean iverson out of galileo mayor so Arc winners are important and the fact that this is only the third german arc winner in one hundred years of the running of the rice. It's a terrific achievement. And i loved the again. I don't know i. I was watching the sky and Thought gina and the team and francois We're doing a fantastic job. But one of the things that stood out on on the international stream and it was watching. Simon was the the camera went onto the the groom of the horse and she just screamed into the microphone. And i don't know about you. Rory i had the tv very loud very very lack the apple home pods nearly nearly shattered. This screen and windows in the tv room was like oh but great to see and just great to see those celebrations as well. So well done. Well done to the germans Right we're talking about australian racing on wednesday You're gonna come in hot. It's heavy topics of already. Been asked by the guests. Is it on video. No no only do afterwards. He asked that as well yes and he said i'm allowed What what's the protocol like. I i've listened to the show but like what is the protocol. Can i say fuck to which. I responded faulk. Yeah so It's on. It's on coming free australia That's on wednesday before that we are going to be talking about the jumps with our good friend. Paul ferguson as we team up whether b.'s yet again and veterans talk about poll ferguson's outstanding book jumpers to follow whole nut. Tough promo code tomorrow. We're getting you the gravy. All right we'll get near the gravy and will sort that out for you tomorrow. That is choose day as we chat to pull but some of the horses that he has seen stables so far his own opinion on very different divisions. And i'll be throwing some. Hopefully dr choruses adam darkhorse rory for example go buddies thinking this fellow the bosses oscar. Handy festival boise. We had news here now. I was. I was so got to see him beaten on his debut over fences. You'll get there. Don't worry about it back baby. It says the buses oscar. Let's go right that's it we're done. royds argue a pleasure as always. You're on thursday with me. Is that right. Yeah if you if you won't make you don't on there you go. I was thinking that book that but it wasn't entirely certain so Rory and i return thursday Julia my goodness that's creeping up pretty fast and On friday i will be live on talksport too. And i'm in the presenter's chair. As lee mckenzie is off so A not in control because scott. Push all the buttons and Books all the guests but We've massive show up. You were covering two race meetings at newmarket in chepstow. And we've got some big name guests lined up as well so that's talks for to friday from one pm racing live hopi enjoy it and you'll hear the dulcet tones of roy largely from the irish field which by the way nap stable this year. So the twenty twenty naps champion. How you doing this year this year. Well had a miracle. She's mid it's actually mid yesterday at tipperary rather than being beaten a news. I'm finished with a rottweiler ticket. Up just before the line domino's very little. Thank you very much but savvy. She didn't do at twenty five o amid I'm literally midtable. But he is. What if tipping twenty five to one shots. They get beat in photos. It makes a big difference too when they're winning photos house with one or two last year exactly so that is the kind of course that you are tipping and you can only get that content eighteen second-string in risk for jp monitors courses. Read whole favors some intriguing rory intriguing but that is the type of price that you're tipping the rotary was. That's that's the every day but yes You know that's what. I'm looking to on a semi regular basis. I like to you know as you know to find horses. No one else does you know. Don't want to have a goal at anyone but when you look at the map. Stable in someone's tipped up a thirteen to one favorite thing fox during that for anything from that wisdom and i i like reading other people's Who reese williams and tastic yes. That's really the field. They'll will say this. Who the other person that you mentioned. I was so keen to andrew. Well done andrew mccabe. Here's here's a horse. Who ostensibly doesn't have an obvious chance you will have skipped over straightaway But i think it wrong. Well no not always bligh a terribly left field But i like someone to say something That makes me think. I don't tend to always photo those in but every night against china i think yes i should i didn't or i hadn't thought of the angle that will an justice selections either. It's it's getting into the mentality of of of looking at things In from more angles on the usual whereas you get a lot of stuff that's extensively absolutely fine but it's there's a kind of proves the goes with tipping horses With credit last time should see should have this race. Run the suits blah blah blah. Which i do myself piece every day and you you know you see fancy order today. Run out of phrases. But that kind of should is about as useful dildo. You don't just Otherwise you just saying. I think a win is like right. You've written twenty words for sir. We were hoping for all right. Well i'm not through a few few cliches in there than You end up with stuff. That yes I find the x. Because x. run well last time that's why xs favorites nego ripe on learning much from this. Because it's looking at the form boot. Let this horses go johnson. This wrist was people who tell you things that you didn't go wealth. I thought on monday. But you're saying look at it again. That's better much better. Run that alludes. I'm gonna do go i. Sometimes you don't a. I didn't think you're pushing here. But being forced to think about things and challenging your own perceptions it really important in this rather just meet told wants to shadow towns romance column in the weekender which is worth reading. I quite liked to read some siegel in porculus stuff as well. I like reading to Stuff in the weekender because although thompkin right some very good stuff on has a very good record over the years he seems to use the weekend or just moan abide highs impossible to win. Yeah i don't. I have stopped. I stopped reading stuff. We can just just to clarify. What was saying was andrew. Men's column in the weekender is an essential. I love reading hall. Keely in the racing post. Its and tom siegel not knocking. Thomas untold but it's just specifically that the weekender tends to be his outlet for his moon. I'm going to have a moan about this on. There was some of the come. Come across as. I don't see the point of betting on the horses when other people in the one of the new to you. And they're making money in your. That's exactly what i was going to say. It was pay someone to write that in my newspaper. That's trying to in a that is then trying to sell. Make sure you by the racing post. Where you get the inside of tom siegel who was then saying this and look. I've interviewed tom. I love the guy. He's he's such gentlemen and he's a natural. He's missed as well. I don't think you know a lot of You learn a lot from tom but he's not he's not schrool. Inclination is to be a little bit high dog and beat self critical on sometimes dot comes that produces an article that you get. Because he doesn't he doesn't do any e e rattles tipping in the weekender. Your unless he does something anti post. We get which sometimes post pace. I'm able sometimes Talk about what's going before on what has been learned A lot of that is because of his personality is slightly negative On it's sometimes it's just it's just hard to our wide like wants a half coleman there You know awesome other than the fact that it's coming from someone with his son as history and his reputation as an article that he wrote for the weekend. Or which was this the stopping of me reading those once again. I'll read them on a friday and saturday. Don't always agree. I like to roll them. An rory but I do like the way tom thinks. And i think that we can all learn from reading people like the goat. Hugh taylor and jesus christ you taylor is unbelievable. And the the insight and the the depth that goes into They've never seen never gets the credit he. The man gets in social media is genius an a radio reading his stuff on tv. Dot com as well I enjoy watching reading a davis old column in the rfo from his from his little pumping days when he used to be overnight in the country as the pro hunter. But you know but basically that was often a tale of war as well like did really well on the first day. Then i'm good drug. It was all it was basically Awards and all kind of what what they've been up to. And sometimes you know you don't wanna read about high shrewd someone is and sometimes you know out of all of this but a lot of them. Were you know very honest. Assessment of terrible mistakes me like i remember he he. He laid something at one hundred one. Previous anna sedgefield novus chess. Why would you want to be laying. Anything one hundred But turns out to be the best in the rest of considerable. Oh one of those he was he will He was very good at basically. Like barron gone even set out stage. I didn't know the former particularly well. He kind of knew his angles knew he news info but he he he goes. He didn't didn't read the form but the toll I think it was running into eddie freemantle in the trans At he said how some idea off the form. Have you heard a time. Foreign perspective no rights. Here's a big. Here's a big lever arch funnel get reading some love I'm not gonna win things for for different unfairness. His his history has never has not necessarily been reading reading has been reading the the stats the stocks. And i think city mama not the way. That's the method of thinking that you that you know that you use you. Don't you know You get to find out you know you. You take a low show custody find out What is generically profitable. And what isn't On then you avoid you try to avoid as many trump's as possible and try to keep on the right side of of people you should be into the right side of and then not just informed. You're betting you looking at risk ongoing not interested in year of interested in you I'm only interested in in the street. And then he can look at those in better detail whereas trump trying to assess a. I'm looking at a dozen horses. The first base when you don't have the form book At your either your fingertips or memorized. That's a hell of a lot more difficult. But you know. Davis has done research in the last few years Us too high hyphen narrow the field. You know if he he still gets they will think saying that i was written in the past has been absolutely dreadful folks if you look at his daily tipping piece on on on racing. Tv it's very good. It's excellent again. He's he's settled himself dina again. He's got a routine. He knows what he's looking for. He's learned from the mistakes that he's made on his refining his betting an stream in what he wants you know whereas I suppose in years past cheltenham festival magazines or Stuff that will go before big meetings they would ask people to contribute In a eat off and get some really tried stuff from dave abide. Yeah fulla nicky henderson. Horses a noses Know it would make money on this kind of a starting point for for this kind of thing but It doesn't it doesn't Cockatiels nation at an advanced. Dave is in the kind of guy who's like. Oh yes. I've i've got a. I've made a list of some of nuclear courses for the season. I don't think i could be wrong. I but i don't think so. I think you might have to do that at times. In the past and you find out about. Is that something that which really well for some people and doesn't work very well for him whereas digging through the the the peon l. and the the the stocks you can take out with proof on for example. Yeah working out what works for you. And what doesn't work for you and then sticking to to To your strengths as what welfare. Dave him As far as i can see I don't read his stuff. Religiously because i you know I want i want apply. My own fertilizer wanna be reading twelve different tipsters before i start looking card because you start getting an idea of of where you should be going on. I if i'm reading anyone. I want someone who's going to Going to think like me looked at things that i might not have looked. So that's not a ticket David i think. I said i think you could follow his stuff blindly on on them on tv. And you make decent money these days whereas you know has been a bit of a bit of a snide joke for For a few years it doesn't necessarily reflect what you can Another person you get slammed up all the time for for tipping has some on examines But if you look at her performance on the on the reasonable snap stable over the five. Six seven. Eight year outstanding. She's yes she sees all which is always taught quarter the table and you got a lot of people who are upset. If she was a baluch they would mention asshole exactly. It's because she's an attractive as if somehow she is she is either clueless or liberty giving are losers. I think sometimes the people who who have a go at her aren't entirely sure of which which Which side they want to be on as far as it goes But again you can. If you're going to start socking tipsters off. You go to look at the long-term records On xs records over the years is very kids. someone else may. He doesn't get mentioned tolbert who is consistently very very good. Not up towards the top of the nap. Certainly probably should have one at least once melissa jones. oh great. share three times She was pulled. Bulky didn't last day of the season plastered clearly with some big i side it would choose miles clear faster. I think she was leading again on the last day of the season that picks on i was I was in detention as well on. I hit something that was being the has would've won it from me on if new out a winner she wouldn't wanna yes she can. She can really close. It's a She has one the nature of the competition but she's She's consistently doing stuff. That's up stuff that other people don't put up On she knows her stuff on people also monthly assume. That women can't do which is time which is ridiculously awkward way of thinking. Have we not learned from who is in my mind. Five of monty playlists. Well who's gone on the weekends. Yeah she take that which are with eighty two. Mattie is one of the nicest but also one of the most passionate racing fans and hard working people that i've ever met in racing and i'm what she does is is a tough job But she gets stuck in and she's not afraid to do it. And there's the The usual old bully boys having a go and look social. Media is there. Everybody's it's their opinion. But no one is forcing you to bet but if we're if we're going to talk about women in racing i think you're one hundred percent rights to highlight alex down and is not only a brilliant presenter. Her her record tipping is exceptional. And she's very well connected and she. She is incredibly knowledgeable about the form book she. it's basically her life. for lydia. His la leads the way i mean. Nick lock lydia islam. There's your dream team of presenters. Are you want you want to dream. Team of presenters. Why do you think at cheltenham racing. Tv every year. It's nick and lydia 'cause they're the goats that's why and you can swap them. Lydia can be the anchor. A nick can be the interviewer You could go either way. She's amazing and and her articles are are fantastic. And lydia has been nominated for an award. Some lockdown content or For the excellent roads at cheltenham give her the prize now because the road to cheltenham on racing. Tv was one of the most essential shows to watch absolutely berlet. So this This this is remarkable dynamic between her and ruby. As well. Because i i. I would have thought that they wouldn't have been perfect. Some wouldn't have been a perfect pairing Ten years ago Would be perfect. Pairing in a postseason but but ruby was often deliberately. Gift tickled boost risk. Brilliant job. he. I probably admitted as well that he could be It could be a little bit of area. What's the word. Snappy you of a brick just for the sake of it's trying to be huts super nice was he wasn't it wasn't like all he doesn't suffer. Fools gladly gives the impression that if he thought someone was asking the question that they shouldn't be asking or they weren't asking us and the right kind of question or they didn't know they're talking to buy eight salt should suffer a bit for that on It was his job to To to make them to the but he's he's a remarkably good television. Pundit obviously knows exactly what he's doing on his bat some Him lydia is is is terrific this is not it's not a perfectly natural one but it's it's warming up very nicely very genuine the perez to be very very Pufus departure unlike right. Let's be frank professional stone but clearly there there's a they have a very different outlook on on different things they don't mind the fact that there is a difference there On the enjoy the defiant that that's not exists while allowing fool Expression to the other person yet. I think morton's so neither of them curtail the other it's whole but they're clearly disagreements. Undeclared have a different approach to too high a Certain things boss they just They just do it. really well. it's an old kind of chemistry but as a real chemistry and it comes really well and it's a great. It's a great thing when one gets over on the other like libya gets over on ruby. She won't let them forget it and he likes i i exactly he will not let her forget it if it goes that way too. And here's here's the thing That is a very entertaining show. It's not just that it's incredibly informative. It's very entertaining. And that's what racing needs. you know. it doesn't need will. The brogan john gallagher on the senate antitoxin always needs less. Just the bouncer. Either i will banters over the box because banter. if it's here's the thing that i actually had. I had a row very unprofessionally in front of my boss and my colleagues a former radio station Where this broadcast consultant said the best ad libs are prepared now. He was coming over from the uk essentially he was talking about was sorry to burst your bubble here But do remember. Christmas on dc. One knows i never listen to it but was being on bbc radio one on people talking about it a lot. Yes i'm pretty sure. He has the record for being the longest presenter on the bbc radio one breakfast show pretty sure he has but all of the the stuff all of the like random balance that they would have in the morning was scripted. The previous morning so the second. They finished production meeting. That have breakfast and then into a production meeting what worked today. What didn't what's what's trending in terms of stories What's gonna work do. Hey dumb at a two at eight thirty eight you say this and then you say this and then chris will go and will all laugh. And that's that's what they did or that's how it was done and again. Sorry to cross your dreams. Have we ever done that in a production meeting on the show or we ever had a production meet. Exactly no i send a running order. And that's it. I don't tell us we're very lucky. Didn't didn't send him running or covet co if it gets the blame for everything But i i won't do that because That quote from woody allen. The best ad libs are pre-prepared is box. No they're not the funniest things that happen are what do you remember when you'll remember the one of the most infamous moments on this show and it was you. You're the one responsible for making it legendary. Because skysports racing's vanessa rile says i'm talking about how Listener had Basically her them and spotted her and she said yes. I was having Pizza and My my good friend. A good friend roger. He very kindly held my bucks for me. I remember like about to go but not going and there was maybe one second of dead air and suddenly incomes girardi and that was it we were gone. We were in pieces in absolute stitches and it was all because there was one maybe one and a half seconds of dead air. Follow by rory going. You can't script that shit you can't you know there was caught with lucy. The other days well That was utterly priceless I mean how many times i fucked up pronunciations on the show you've buried me for it. He it's it's just it's part of the show like there is no point and you're you're one hundred percent right that There are shows that script their banter and try. And this is what we're gonna do you do all right. Whatever works for you. Fine. that's your business. I don't like it. Rogan doesn't do it under doesn't do it. Deal argued have zero interest in doing it. As i have no interest in doing that I what. I was part of a show where i was told. Hey we'd like it if you know we started doing this and we started injecting this. I went by because no. That's that's nice. It has to be natural that it has to be off the off the cuff. And and that's what works but yet lydia is outstanding and her dynamic with ruby is really interesting It makes for a fantastic show. I really hope they win. That award Whether they do or not. The fact lydia's nominated is is richly deserved and hopefully is back on the show in in a month or two One final question for you singers. We kind of went completely off topic and we're talking about Tipsters we'd like to read. So there's there's the goat you taylor there's Davison those Tell siegel but only the post not that we weekend Paul kelly and the racing post as well. I liked read. What and Does this guy don't know if you've heard of called him. He's calling what's his name. Sinn the irish field in largo. Smu yeah this fella. Argue in the arts field who's woolworth readings. Well the reason that. I like to read watt Hugh tom poll. And rory and mostly here roy's thoughts beforehand but he's final thoughts then for the weekend and the field is because i want to see if my thought process how race is going to develop is being backed up by someone. I really respect if it's been back. If lydia has written an article saying i think this is how the race is gonna play out and i think that already media that gives me a boost. My confidence so I i highly recommend you do that. And watch as much racing you can if if that's what you're trying to do But in terms of stats just because we were talking davison. What do you think of The racing post signposts and trainer spot. Use it if i if have the last time on my hands. The only issue. I have with it is that it's in store. Bear information and i like to dig a little bit deeper. Yeah you know winners is is a reasonably was a trainer. Strikerate was lingers. That's fair enough. I'm always interested to see particularly whether whether a trainers and i. I presented their for strike. Normal strike rate is twelve percent on when utilizing for the first time it goes it. Drops to four percent as as the dose will trainers Then you know that. It's a negative On our trainer's not many of them who strike goes up Using using headgear. For the first time. But i also i wanted to know if it's two wins from twenty. How many of those went close. Low prices were the individual horses. We You to be able to get a little bit of background on on c. with a strong statistic. You can't do that with with the way it's presented That's not a criticism. Because there's no way they can do in the end pages worth the stats are quite like that. As a you know here are the most interesting ones live quickly years ago On the things they will really want to know that you can produce you can Just graphically in a page or two That will be useful So yeah i'm a fan of it but I don't you can't read everything religiously because there isn't enough time exactly i'm i don't get a couple of the racing post when i lived in london the On virtually every street. I get up in the morning at one shop sit down. I look the racing post things about and see. We'll call these days. Now it's up up with kids. Feed them get them off to school. Write an article by nine thirty for the sporting life Get something else by eleven o'clock Looking at the following day's racing civil. You can't waste an offload time. you gotta do. You gotta start looking at races yourself on watching old videos on you. Getting pressure with residents If you've got if you've got time to spare then you start looking other things under beyond people's opinions you start looking at I use some proof. Form used to use the database on the you know the whole works. But i find that i could sit there for. I wouldn't go to bed until four o'clock in the morning. Because i'd be i started looking at. I wonder i wonder who does well. In these circumstances you started by. It'd be running some values at this as well. I just doing it the whole time. I'd need should be You know. I need to be single on. Have no friends to get the banks to get the the neue. I use the gym. I use the guys Because it stopped me getting massively destructible things. Because there's loads of information on there anyway Bass not sad that i read the Did i love it. i just love it too much. Yeah pro phone cigarettes. Have they figured out how to how to put their stuff onto a mac yet. No let's go check here for christians. Oh they i think they have for more questions on installing perform a mac visitor. Faq area excellent all right. Well that's cool so we can we can we. It's it's good to have lots of information that you can got most of the information that is relevant Most astonishing rated r. elephant soon. Because they are they set the essentially. Tell you that there's not much to pick between you. Typically the effect of the at certain of the fact on ana tells you thoughts if you could be certain of something happening than this will be very important. Open the uncertainty abides. Whether that lots of information that will be hugely important in normal. Circumstances is useless to look in two races So you've got to on minds up but sometimes you get information that as importance but usually it's it's Again most of the you look at is a by trainers writers and jockeys records Everything so it doesn't tend to be by individual horses trying to the most important one on the most important information isn't trainer for trainer. Trans or anything. It's about the horses that are running. They're the most important thing the trainers can only influence them slightly And it's very interesting to know them because sometimes marginal differences or get an idea what trainer djilas can be hugely helpful to you but the most important thing is working at the best horses dog yet. You're gonna talk about like overall it's form but that's not a similar equation on equation has appeared either knows. Yeah i think we tend to think rights everyone everyone knows the form basically stays so you got to find something else to find an ice but actually we're coming by to the fines that knowing the horses is much more important than anything else. Because you know i. I didn't do the al-kass last week. But every american made a massive mistake night of the horses. Well beaten in the end But the horses started favourite for the cambridgeshire on combat. Fair was sixty six to one across the board the monday before. Geez i that it was ten points well in because no one had bothered to actually assess dot information notable for me of who has with a different forums at eighty to one fifty to one. Hundred watt tweeted out on the train. Saying this has been a bit of a mood for the risk is still foggy. Bigger price binding. We always horse. It didn't look like it's going to make it into the race who Who them of course. Money-back expelled yes But we we knew he wasn't. There was no chance of him being bounded either because he picked up a penalty for winning at air a one a handicap air by six flights is up by ten pines or more in the hand account He was already higher than than his closing mark for the candidature so we ended up being officially eleven. Eleven binds well in on news only three other horse race. You were officially ahead of the handicap months. One of those was a seventy two favorites. Who was actually the favourite was kinda penalty zafy two point worse-off with penalty than than his revised march Whereas was chichester horsing question Was going to be miles ahead of his. Unfortunately he was he was drawn in the wrong part of the truck in the end he probably hadn't recovered from his run at the previous week. But when you horses is going to be top rated on the day. Top races by the Binary coast by time for us not a sixty six to one shaw attempt to watch exactly and so you know. There's no point in looking at you. Know buy courses out even even even though out there true price going into race favourite you can you can make you can make a strong argument as to why you wouldn't want to back them at a price This is a very different tribes. Aware He you know. Elizabeth is strong is in the wrong side that she is not ironically the winner of the race at a very similar to running signs. You just how to be joined the right part of the track with horses the chance But all sweeping dishes probably wasn't the best in the day because he rum just a week beforehand essentially or ten days before But you always have to buy courses. They've gone you have to spot. That's the wrong price When it is russia kent falls. And most of the time you know you can simply trade i'd lose positions if he wants a recount post. But of course obviously you. You can The farms won't allow you to cash is But if you buckle sixty six with to feel the forums you can. You can laid up buying a backfire. You gotta have the funds to do albeit. because he can't late trade off against the other. But you knew you got a winning position if you drink Always going to be aware of that. And that's it. It amazes me all much. Look at a risk and go. Well this is. I mean that race yesterday at temporary new to my mind looking through the form of that risk. she's made. It was the best horse in that race. I'm still i still. She's vessels because she was She really by. Your advances can't jump fences The the owner had a blindingly obvious favorite people. Look at go. What a won't be wanting list one molly. jp pumping the favorites and he won't want the other one so she was a sheba's on payments was a five to one show. She has to be bigger than that. Because dan quinn counsel was was a four time. I think but he wanted one over fences drawback to hurdles. He'd never been placed over hurdles before but he's blindingly obvious long but she had the best form or hurdles in the race And if he was to the this she would have been favorite she would have been almost everyone was looking up because she was the second. String the this everyone shoot him. she's she's not a trier but i didn't see that As a likely scenario. I thought she would be trying a think. There's an awful lot too much an awful lot of A supposition and cynicism abide the running of certain horses. And i think a lot of a lot of rumors would be perfectly happy. Have a winner. Even if it's twenty five to one. Sean on let's let's be honest to be plenty of outsiders in the in the mcmanus's winning i'm over the years and often the prices have gone off as being them has been exaggerated by is the notion. That in a ab-. I live by the notion that jp punting them. I don't think in these pumping number. All i don't think he backs anymore. There's no this was the fun if you was the money. He's where's the fun in having ten ground on one from you want the winners from what from what i understand. He he might have one betta cheltenham. That's it what i've been told is. He's a little more interested in in it rather pumping on american sports because you can get a massive a massive batum with him knows. Americans are morons third largest market. Thanks very nice spotify. Deal thoughts article. It's very hard to make money punching. Us sports but if you know if if you put a massive market a new you need to bet bake because of who you are That you find the expertise With his years. Whether you're you're paying someone sued that's provided expertise Having the the goals to a big band is that is a key thing on punting. Midweek an irish meetings. A don't think you gotta get too many firms who really wants to let your best for all talk about jd. Ian unsung asa crap. Freddie going head to head at the cheltenham festival generally speaking any about. Jp's desperately trying to lay off the second big ass. Exactly though there's there's no fun a non novi all talk about massive gambles the the might be some that might yet the gurney By harassment big players used the punt among themselves. The money the never never saw the ring never sold the industry toll but you know there were just placed the bets between themselves a silent hold actually on his first appearance on the podcast was making the point about something a phenomenon that that he he'd spotted and i've noticed that for the last few years phantom gambles and i am convinced the bookmakers horses prices for no reason other than they know that there are punters out there who with the greatest of respect our sheep. The there's no tight that has happened over the years. The the question was at the moment as Whose clever enough to do it. Make pay Because in order to be in order to get an to get money in the hospital got gotta be reasonably competitive If you're creating a fake gumbel then there's gonna be money going the other way unless you're talking to anti posts on the post betting the there's no. There's no money that it's all so you can create. You can create a false gamble. No looks at your over on there because he overrun sar always of seen because they But if you can get the impression that there's been early money for a horse not suggested connections going to go for that risk then yes. You can probably people doing this. You certainly can't do it near the off of a risk because the market the market is so much bigger than than any e firm Thirty forty years ago elaborates could have had a field day every night They could they could have created full gambles left right and center almost did Because everyone assumes that they knew you know and you had every every weekend. The tv from joel mccurry the magic sign. They knew so. You know you could. You could get news. The visit bryant will drop. Dead in the gobs covered the three to one from ten to one on the betting. I need no. You take a few grounds on the basis. Not hope they're backing. it is actually gonna skip. Some more argue are not those with the final puerto podcast. That's the the The equi skit as it's known as as it's known as the acorn hospital. Think i think i need to nick one hospital after this speaking of of signposts so one of my favorite things is. We'll wrap it here is Trainer jockey combinations and their success rate and roger charlton and william buick have seventy five percent strike rate at kempton so quilt it. Six thirty tomorrow in the jones silks or today. If you're listening on the day is this seventy five percent. Do you mean by any chance. Three or four. Yes do yes okay. And it's a very small sample size. I within from thirty six for example which yeah exactly yeah more. Yeah i mean i could. I could cite rasa ryan and george bowie one hundred percent stupid to like but ironically it was and three. You'd say that's more wit to it you know and it's all about show actually the trainer jockey combos. That was that something that interests you not. Yeah i'll have a look at them sometimes. But only yelm f- only if i think if i look at a Start will rise was deemed to be the second-string. I'll be quite a. Would you wanna find out there. Is you know when when when the trainer has two dollars in a race. You wanna find out That worksite on historically which i really well with was trainers like richard. Hannon will make assumptions. That's when hanan has had to with a nervous or amid rhys it would assume over there. You go Richard hughes is writing the for string. Whatever the second-string is coming on. First of all puna trainers who two hundred horses on their only certain number maiden races iran's wishes that suit them best. He doesn't decide one the win. I'm amazed how many people think news was going to win. Was nothing to win but they do. Not many trainers driving on gold rolls royces judges. Most of them knew of an idea going around. Well they don't tend to know much better than most i. I'm with the going to win or not whether there's a problem and the problem is it's basically blinkers so the wiz Maiden at kempton Where sir michael stoute and john gosden were both introducing juvenile's. I'm both horses. Were smashed to pieces in the bedding. They could not get enough of them and of course one of winds so the gosden team were going. What the hell just happened. How did that horse get beaten. Because they didn't know that stout had asleep in the race they didn't realize that stout had a horse working better than their one better than their one. But just you know whether or both so heavily backed yes. The always always the horses obviously work well. the win trainers good trainers. Not not just. It's not just early morning. Gallup's times big time. Lebanon idea of horses wellbeing with as come into a paik un's They'll know with the horses the type to to show everything has mccallum or whether just enough on of is able to beat the horses they have they. They know they knew. Plenty of bart's let them an edge for people watching the work necessarily notice it as being blindingly could be used to get gallons reports in the all time yeah. These people industry people selling setting information from from gallops. But of course the great thing is it's not an issue these days because it's not Because there's no such a focus but you know if you thought some if you really funds it horse and you're giving up her work hard to find good enough a starting rinse You can will be watching. Not gallon would be potentially leaking that information. I'm the one thing. The person washing the gallup doesn't know what waste horses carney exactly that. I don't think i don't think anyone does not tall these days You know ashley mickan sure they knew what each one carrying they just they just judge the work. Based on what the work workers tell them on they visually. They don't grind giving horses proper races on home. Gallops defined dot while the pecking order is Each just use your your intuition on your license. You know you know. Plenty by the In terms of what is bred to be on you trust your your senior work writers to no good wants from the same one. I know that. I know ballydoyle had a a two year old. Who they thought was going to be superstar and suffered an injury and He then recurrence of that injury is a three year old and they managed to get him back as a four year olds and they could have raced him but they decided that it wasn't worth the risks that he could break down whereas on the gallops he would be safer and he became their lead or course and if any two year old could get past him they knew that horses a machine straightaway taught. He became a senator. And is there's a lot of yards have horses like that Who are fundamentally important in terms of other doing the might not have made it on the track for one reason that the reliable and you know that what you would hope is is Metronomic yet they can do that they can. They can go all out for four furlongs. But you ask them unattractive six they might pull a muscle or or do damage to themselves and If a juvenile pulls up alongside them goes bush then You know shits about to get real There is a godolphin horse running small He is cold paresis way. It's a thirty percents. Strike strike rate even seventy-nine from twenty four for james doyle. Charles charles happy charlie appleby and more importantly the horses by sea the stars out of a king member maher. I'm not saying back this orosco stupidly short. He's thirteen date but watch him on debut. One thirty seven racing tv. Lester oh i wanna see how good the sources personally there's a lot of there's a lot of godolphin and Ballydoyle back in. Juvenile's turnout and there lester at this stage the leicester's attracts a lot of them off the bed. As henry cecil used to light bring horses to to To leicester so michael size always nice start. Yeah it's always a good breeding ground for stat and watch out for the all weather tracks. 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Game of Thrones Season 8 Award Show: The Throners

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Game of Thrones Season 8 Award Show: The Throners

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He's in four five when season six season seven we did throw owners, right? Yeah. We did a seven. Yeah. It is. It's not annual but the fifth one that will that means like we've been doing game of thrones for even longer than five years. It was frightening prospect, here we are five thrown five five thrown her wards one more for the road. Because game of thrones is indeed over. We are several days removed over a week removed from the final episode of game of thrones. I don't I'm not even going to bother with the spoiler warning unless you want to count, that as the spoiler warning because now I'm just going to tell you John snow killed the nearest star Garin remember, that of now thing that happened there star game went insane, and she killed a million people in John's now had to be like it. I have to kill her now. And that's game of thrones ended. And it also brand stark is the king. So a lot of crazy things have had is can you believe it? That's how it happened. That's. Stark. Yeah. It's real. It happened. Game of thrones got weird man like game of thrones decided in the finish to get real weird. And so, in kind, I think you and I are about to get real weird here for one more addition of the throne, which may just be a strange word. We keep saying for all these people who've joined us for the game of thrones ride before they even knew what a throw owners was. Yeah. All right. Well, there's nothing weirder than a game of thrones award show. Yeah. So that's what we're doing here. We're doing a game of thrones award show to celebrate the end of an era, the end of the series, the end of the season, of course, with the end of game of thrones proper one last ride into award winning glory here with my buddy, rob sister, Nina. Now, some of the listeners might be saying, well, you know what? I really wasn't feeling season. Eight of game of thrones. I'm so I don't know how interested and invested I'm going to be in a season. A award show because to me Drik Qarase to all of season seasoning. Yeah. Somebody could be saying we would we would post game of thrones. The we oppose the game of thrones thrown or poll for people to vote on all these different categories for season, eight, and we would just get all the right ins for David Benny off, and Dan Weiss, as like the in the in the category of best villains of season. All sorts of all sorts of stupid, mean angry things that are probably would participate in and. Yeah. That just wouldn't be any fun. So why don't we why don't we open up the? Why don't we open things up a little bit? Why don't we why don't we look beyond just the final season. Of course. Look at the final season as well. Why don't we look at the greater picture of game of thrones? One last time while we have the chance I spend most of my time look pass. Pass anyways. Oh man. I do wish that we had spent more time on brand impressions of the king. If I if I could go back and dive and change one thing about our game of thrones. Podcasting would be more grand things. But we don't have time off these regrets. No, we don't. So are you saying what I think you're saying that this year's thrown owners is going to be about the entire series of game of thrones? Yes, we're opening game of thrones up to not just season. Eight a lot of season eight, but we are also expanding beyond the scope of season, eight this is our last chance achievement. Yes, this is our last chance to really reflect on all things, west arrose until the next time if there is a next time if there is a successor series, that makes it beyond the pilot stage that is still TB as of this recording. But this is going to be really the chance that we get or some some final nostalgic. Action as where closing at the end of dot just an era of television, but a huge era post show. Recaps game of thrones has been are defining show. And we are we're in the process of figuring out what things look like beyond the scope of game of thrones for ourselves. So as we try to push those decisions a little bit further off in the field. We are going to look, one more time act game of thrones with a really fun podcast in a couple of weeks that we're going to need all your help for. So the throne owners awards are coming the game of thrones awards show that asks the age old question what's best of west rose? What's best lesser? Wow. Come up with that or even thinking about it. I really thought it'd be like three minutes ago. Wow. That's good. Oh, you're very good at this stuff. What's best of west rose indeed? And as we often do for their owners, and if you don't know what the owners are fairly self explanatory. It is it is a very ridiculous award show. We do after any given season of game of thrones which we've been doing since season four, which was the first season, we podcasts at about a live, at least after every season a couple of weeks after every season, we get together, Robin. I for one podcast with our friend DJ Sammy slayer the great Sam. Well Tara, the whole cast everybody shows up, but it's the music is typically presented by DJ Sammy slayer. We've certainly we've played out a call to, to his people. We don't have anything to update you with at this time. But hopefully we'll have some nice some, some nice musical accompaniment when we come back with the throne IRS podcast, but we're gonna we're gonna put up a poll and on our poll. We are going to have a lot of questions for you. The listener about game of thrones categories for you to vote on and. In a couple of weeks time, we are going to be posting our show with the winners of each respective category. The different characters the different winners, or losers as the case may be sometimes we'll be coming onstage to accept their awards and say one last goodbye to you and to us, maybe they'll be talking to us. Who knows it depends on how badly we've maligned them along the way of game of thrones podcasting, but it's really fun show. And we've got some details to share with you today. Okay. Of course, we are going to give you all the categories and nominees today. You're going to be able to vote at the Rohner's dot com. The tabulating Kirk Clark is standing by, and we will allow the voting to remain open until midnight on Monday, June tenth eastern time. Yes. So you have a good little while to get your to get your votes in Monday June tenth. That feels like plenty of time, and then we will have the throne IRS awards. Oh, look bad. Like a week and a half or so after that. Eastern time on Monday tenth. All right. That sounds great just to not have any clarify, clarify. And then we'll have thrown a war yourself. We're looking. We're looking at somewhere like that June nineteenth spots seems to be where we are going to be aiming to do the throne or so few weeks from now, we will we will have the show for you, and you have a little over a week to cast your votes, depending on when you're listening to you have until June tenth at what time was that exactly. That was at eleven fifty nine PM eastern time. Okay. Thrown owners dot com. Okay. All right. Josh, how do you want to open up the festivities? Well, I think we should we should just get into it. I think we should you know, let's not let's not dilly dally the final season. Sure, didn't know Yarra Yarra this thing at all. Let's just get right into the meat of it. We're gonna twenty five different category. These for the throne. There's this year. That's a staggering number of categories. And it's an even it's an even bigger number of different nominees that you will be able to vote on along the way here and since that's such a big number. Let's not let's not let's not screw around. Let's, let's just get right into it. Or are you ready to hear the different categories, rob? Yes, I would love to hear them. Okay. So as we said we are we are doing some season. Eight specific stuff. We are also doing some longer view game of thrones award gifting, the first category. We are going to have is best main character season eight so that is a relatively limited list. It's going to be limited it to the people that you'd really look at these people as either the decisive main characters of game of thrones in terms of who made it through the final season or at least somebody who is, who is pretty important in the, in the grand scheme of things, those candidates, or your votes are going to be John snow. Sansa stark aria, stark, king brand, the broken himself to narrow star Garin, Jamie. Lancaster, sir, c Lancaster and Tyrian Lancaster. Those are, who you will have to vote from when it comes to long, boring, for those characters will also be eligible for our second category, which will be worst main care of season. Eight there's a lot of best worst action that is going on here because this is the throne or is this kind of like equal parts Oscar in Razzie, it's kind of like a combo platter. So those are the first two categories, the second to gather Gorey's categories three and four best supporting character of season, eight and worst, supporting character of season. Eight the nominees are the same across both categories. It's Giora more Mont theon gray joy that hound Davos e worth Sam well. Tarpley. Mela sandra. Baronne. Varis Genry of tars grey, worm, Masan day, Hormann giants Bain barrack done. Darrien yara. Great. Joy, dolorous EDD Leon more Mont and Brennan Fitzpatrick's favorite character, Patrick pain. Those, those are the nominees for the two different supporting character categories. Okay. We've got a very sprawling list of people for our fifth category. That's best character. Who didn't make it into the final season. Of course. Not everybody survived along the way of game of thrones to make it into season eight and I'm sure not every single character who didn't make it into season. Eight is making it into this category. It's just too vast to account for every single person. But this is going to be the place where you'll find the likes of Ned stark Ramsay Bolton Joffrey breath, the and the red viper, your friend and mine Sircar will Tanner of Jin alley. I don't know if he was a surp- probably not Walder fray. We'll be here. The black fish is your Greenwich, and pip are here. Roz is going to show up here all the characters who died along the way some bigger than others. Little finger is going to be in your call Drago's going to be in here. Let's settle at once and for all who is the best character on game of thrones that didn't make the final season. That's what you're going to resolve here in. The fifth category. And in the six category, you're going to answer the opposite question who's the worst who's the worst of these people? Yeah. I think I know. Who is it? I'm not going to say I don't put my thumb on the scale. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I just thought of somebody who is the worst. And I didn't have them in the original right up. So this is a flexible document. Yeah. So okay we're making all of the nominees. It's a list of like forty names. There's no way I'm not gonna I'm not gonna spell it out for you right now. There's just there's, there's too many and I'm sure as the great thrown is custom. There will be many slights along the way. And we will just have to just have to live with them. I see that you have some new categories here. There are some new categories. There are new categories we used to have like very cutesy names, bro out of these categories to the time when Lancaster memorial award for best villain, just as an example, the blackwater award for best battle since we're expanding many of these categories to account for all of the seasons in the spirit of not wanting to put your thumb on the scale. We're stripping the cutesy names away and just giving you the facts just. Thai Thai when can't be nominated for an award that has his name on. It would be inappropriate. It would be an appropriate. So it's just it's a little bit of it's a bread and salt here you know as whereas, we're going through this. We've got we've got some actor categories. I think that we can all we can all agree that many of these binal these final six episodes. Sometimes the writing left a little something to be desired that seems to be the biggest complaint among the people who did not care for the final season of game of thrones. I don't think that you can be mad at the acting for the final season of game of thrones. So we are we are opening that we have a best actor category, and a best actress category, and the nominees on both sides of those rather than naming them all out here. It's everybody who's eligible for best main character, and best supporting character. Those are the people who are nominated here for best actor, and best actress, and we will spare them the indignity of having worst actor and worst actor. Awards because these are just people, you know, they're, they're human beings. And besides the data will show who the worst actors are based on who gets the least amount of love in the voting of these categories. And I'm sure we will share those details during the actual thrown as much to their shame. Okay. Best villain all time. This is a category. Light in villainy lifetime. Achievement in villainy here is the list and I- breaks my heart to lead off with deniro star Gary in. But after the bells I think you have to put her on here too narrow star Garin sir c Lancaster Taiwian, Lancaster Joffrey Barath, Ian Ramsay Bolton. The night king the mountain little finger, you're on grey, joy. And if you vote for him, I will disown you may stir Khyber, n-, the high Sparrow, and Walter fray are your nominees for best villain all time. Okay. All right. This next one is my favorite category. Worst storyline. All, and I'm sure there are some snubs here, but I wanted to refine the results a little bit. So the odds of my least favorite storyline. Picked are a little time achievement in worst, storyline because it's not a vast CARA category. Because game of thrones maybe like a little bit towards the end kind of lost its way. But for the most part, you know, this is this was a terrific terrific show, but even some of the earlier, seasons isn't real clunkers of storylines in here. And so this is where we are going to, to burn them with fire as was the name once upon a time of an award here at the throne IRS the nominee is now. Yeah. At that cute anymore. No, the nominees car in season to hate to even say the word. Yes. The mutiny at crafters keep in season. Four great for five casting this sand snakes in season. Five really not great, the high Sparrow in seasons five and six that was a two season. Arc not beloved aria in Bravo's in seasons five and six not deal. He loved way time does it does it increase in our estimation. Given Arias arc in the final season. We'll see probably not the Starks and little finger in season seven, which I do think has aged, particularly well and may have been a tip off to some of the problems, we would run into the final season, the white walkers in the final season, which I think would be an indictment of the long night, specifically as an episode very. Very, very, very, very dark, and denarius going mad in the final season. The worst storyline of all time. Those are your options, any snubs that you can think of rob that we can amend the document right here and now all time worst storyline fill like that. Are we missed anything from season three season? Three was great. Yeah. Season. Three is pretty good climbed the wall and kissed on top of the wall that was in tastic, and that was the one where Kenji got leached Mela Sandra, but that's pretty great. Yeah. That I think there'd be some of the status stuff like the early standards stuff. Sure. I think like STAN. Stan is storyline in season. Four was actually really bad, because that was that was like by the end of season three he already got the word from Davis. Like we should go to the wall, and then stay on his spends like all season for being like, yeah, but let's make a trip to the iron Bank. I yes. Yeah. So maybe, maybe the stand is Barath in storyline in season. Four, we, we can add to them. I think it's gonna win. Okay. We'll just put it on there for, for. Why not? Okay. How about this best battle all time? We're going to if if we said best battle of season eight they're really only be two. Choose from. But if we're expanding the list to the full series, there, are you Titanic battles across game of thrones air, all represented here and I'm very curious to see which one is the winner, and I'm certainly curious to see what the vote breakdown on it ends up being best battle all time. The nominees are in sequential order, the battle of the blackwater in blackwater, the battle at castle black and watchers on the wall, the battle at hard home in hard home, the battle of slavers bay in battle of the bastards, the battle of the bastards in battle of the bastards, the battle of the gold road in the spoils of war, which used to be known as the loot train battle and occasionally by me is the loot crate battle. But I guess it's actually technically called the battle of the gold road either way. That's the same one. That's the same battle battle of ice and fire from beyond the wall, the battle of winter fell in the long night and the battle of king's landing in the bells. So those are your choice. Choices to choose from for the best bow of all time. Best best death season. Eight ready. Yes, we're listing out all the main deaths from season eight and you get to choose from any one of these. We have Ray all the dragon Harry Strickland of the golden company definitely the best death of season. Eight Masan day. Dolorous EDD you're on grey. Joy Giora more Mont Barrick, Don. Derian Varis, Liana more Mont Mel asandra, generis star Garin, the hound, l- amounting, Jamie, Lancaster, sir, Lancaster, the night, king, theon, gray, joy, and Maistre Khyber. Those are the notable main character deaths in the final season of game of thrones. And those are the ones you get to choose on. Are we voting for who we were happy that they died or we like the execution of the execution? I think it's probably the execution of the execution would. Be the way that I would vote I think, you know, part of that could be happiest that you saw them die. But like if you thought that the scene in which, like, Masan was executed was a great scene, but you weren't happy to see her go. But that was part of the reason why you thought it was the best death. That would be why you would vote for that character. Okay. Okay. We've got an all time vote category. All time for the most horrible death for, for the worst death of the series and all the affirmation characters are in the list, and we opened things up to some of the other main deaths throughout game of thrones. So it's a lot of season eight, and then a limited selection from across the way feels like we know where this one's going to go. But you be the judge. So we have the Sarah's star Garin is listed here. We've got Ned stark is listed under most horrible death of all time thread, wet. Ding with Robin Catlin. That was pretty bad. Joffrey Barath Ian, that was pretty bad as well. That's pretty gross. The red viper, super gross hauteur the whole hold the door of that was good. Ramsay Bolton eaten by dogs Lord Walder his throat slit after eating some of his family members. And then his whole rest of his family who didn't make it into the pie. They get killed pretty swiftly after that. And then viscera on the first dragon we ever lost is very tragic. So those are the all time people that you can vote for here plus the deaths of the final season. Okay. All right. Best on screen duo all time all ties life into owing we love. We love the best on screen duo rip straight. From the MTV movie awards and brought to you by the throne IRS here. Do not tell my old bosses at MTV. We don't want any copyright infringement issues. These are the nominees, Jamie. And seriously Lancaster. Jon snow and. Deniro's. Targe aryan. Aria and the hound Sam, and Gilly brand, and hauteur Tyrian in various Sansa. And little finger Rian, and Jamie. Those are your over Jimmy twice over Jamie twice the only one who's nominated twice. All right. My favorite all time favorite excellence in Hoad. Or this has always been one that we've enjoyed here on the throat. There's a lot of ho during that happens along the way in game of thrones. And even if there was no whoring in the final season. We can there was like, during of a sort that we could vote on it again. So the nominees for excellence in Hoed, or are hauteur door odor, or. Hoed. Old the door and one one and not on the original list, but it was dubbed by the fine folks at the game of thrones. Read it as the barricade when barrack, Donald and died in a very similar manner. So then he got out of win, but we can we can put the barricade on here, just to just go away from the walkers. So he had died a lot. Yeah. His, his pain time, it's white pretty high at that point that point, okay? Best parents of all time who were the best parents along the way here on game of thrones? And that's you know, maybe it's open for interpretation because a lot of the parents who are on this list. We're not great parents, but the great characters and being a parent was a big part of their character, so you choose how you want to vote on this one. The nominees are Ned stark, Catlin stark high. When lancaster. Jamie, Lancaster Sirsi, Lancaster Gilly, Sam well Tarpley and denarius, mother of drag. Oh, she was a good mom to the dragons. Not to Ray goes kinda got him killed wasn't hardly vault. She overworked him. Yeah. Issue could probably couldn't notice you could have done better best one-season character of all time here is here's the list, we've got Syria for L. We've got the red viper. We've got Maggie the frog. We've got brother Ray in McShane himself. We've got Ed Sheeran because why not we've got Harry Strickland of the golden company, and rob, this is not on the list that I sent to you major oversight on my part. We've got Karl Tanner of Jin alley that we will include in the best. I know my one-season character. Yes, yes. Absolutely next category. The next two categories. Again, the nominees for these two categories are the same. This is relegated to the final season and it's pretty simple. Best ending worst ending, which of the characters that are nominated and it's a big list. We won't recite them all here, but they're the main and supporting characters of season eight which character had the best ending for that specific character, which character has the worst ending for that specific character. Again, your mileage may vary on some of this, this is you really voting on who you are the most satisfied by in terms of how the story ended for them and what left something to be desired for you, which storyline. Did you really disagree with this is what we're looking for in these two categories? Okay. All right. Again another another set of categories where it's best worst. We've got the best episode of season, eight and the worst episode of season eight and I'm very curious further results on this one just to refresh your memories, six episodes. All. Old in the final season. We've got season. Eight episode one winter fell everybody shows up at Windsor fell. Everybody's gearing up for the big battle season, eight episode to a night of the seven kingdoms written by Brian cognition. This is the one where of gets knighted. And everybody else is doing their thing as they're getting ready for the big war against the night. Getting the episode ends on the precipice of war season, eight episode three the long night war white Walker war. This is the one this is where the night king does not make it out alive. And perhaps you could not make that out yourselves given the lighting issues in the episode that is the third episode of the final season, the fourth episode of the final season is the last of the Starks coffee Cup gate. This is the one where the coffee Cup was. There is we're Ray gall diets were Masan died. This is really setting us up for the climax of the series fifth episode. The bells did Aerostar, Gary done lost her mind, king's landing falls apart, so many deaths. This is the bells and then, of course, the series finale the. Thrown so which was the best which was the worst. We will litigate that all when we get to the throne IRS you guys vote in the meantime, okay? All right. This is a these next to our big ones, because we were we were talking about the best episode and the worst episode of season eight how about we expand that to the full fricken series best episode of all time, worst episode of odd, even a curated list of nominations. No, it's every single one of the seventy three episodes of game of thrones are eligible and I'm very, very interested to find out how this all shakes out. What was the best ever episode of game of thrones? What was the worst ever episode of game of thrones? And I, I'm curious to see if there's like a big recency bias thing. Are we going to see like a lot of final season representation here in the best worst? I feel like there's an argument to be made to remove them from, from the running here, but we're going to we're going to trust. You guys you, you could choose if you authentically think some of the episodes from the final season are the best or the worst vote. That way. But otherwise fascinated to see how this one is going to shake out. This is really the best picture category of the throne IRS. Yes. If every movie that was made in a year was nominated. Yes. Exactly. Best season. Worst season are, are the final two regular Gorey's little more manageable. And I think also pretty complicated deal every season has something right with it. Something wrong with it the ratio really depends on where you're coming from. So you're going to get to choose best season and worst seasons. Those are all the major categories we've got for the Rohner's, if you go to throw understood dot com, you will see we have some extra questions that we that we have for you guys will deal with those all on the throne owners proper just as some some further conversation starters. Wanna see what you thought of the final season overall who want to see what you all thought of some of the final twists, such as brand stark as king. And if you would have changed anything and we wanna get your eye on the future as well. So we have some questions that are a little forward looking for the future of game of thrones as a franchise all told, it seems like we're going to have a lot of business to get to when the throw owners rolls into town. Later in June. All right. So you can go ahead cast your votes answer our survey questions and all will be revealed in our fifth, and final thrown her awards, asterisk, unless the we love the prequels and do more thrown. Impossible impossible. See. Last that, that's going to be our last game of thrones, proper podcasts at the very least for a very long time. So hotly anticipated for sure Rohner's dot com. Of course, you could check out anything else game of thrones related that Josh Wigley is filing over at HR dot com slash game of thrones Jesse. I know you recently posted a final path, the end of west rose. What was that all about? They have is just a roundup of the final paths that I did leading into the season and looking back and seeing if any of those predictions were correct a few of them were a few of them, not all of them, let some so some of them I got bang on. I was actually looked back with. Oh, yeah. Sometimes, you know what you're talking about very rarely. But sometimes it works. Okay well done. Josh incredible work. Once again, we should expect nothing less of pudding together all of the game of thrones nominees for. This year's edition of the throne. Irs. All right. Looking forward to seeing the results, I will hopefully be hearing back from Sami slayer in the next little while I'm sure that he is still enjoying the victory lap. Maybe I don't know. Or maybe he's wallowing. I'm it's hard to know what, what Sami slayers mood is, you know, grand Maistre grand may now. Yeah. Grandmaster Charlie though. He may be hard to book could be hard to book the book. All right. So that is all coming. You could vote through the end of June tenth, and then we'll have the throne or awards coming after we tabulate all the results the following week so beyond the lookout for that. And of course, make sure you subscribe to post show, recaps, go to post show recaps dot com slash I tunes for all of that, make sure you don't miss anything else that we're going to be covering over the course of the summer and Josh, I hear that you will at least talk about the premiere of fear the Walking Dead with just a coming up. Yes. Yes. Jessica lease and I are getting together in the not too distant future to talk about the first episode of season five, if you can believe it made it to season. Five fear the Walking Dead. We'll see. We'll see how all that goes. All right. Thank you guys, so much for listening to the throne IRS at nominations special. Happy voting at the Rohner's dot com. Follow Josh quick Lawrence where he's at round Howard. I'm at Robson everybody. But good one by. Both Joe recaps is sponsored by a friends over at truecar every car comes with sheriff stories like that thing, and your bumper. 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Visions in the Asmodee Part 17: Hedge Knights, Freedmen, Queensmen and She-Bears, oh my! Hot-Takes

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Visions in the Asmodee Part 17: Hedge Knights, Freedmen, Queensmen and She-Bears, oh my! Hot-Takes

"So hates chase on the table gaming and they were going to be looking at the visions in the well not really the vision the flames but the visions and maybe the day. Usa store page as the asthma. O.'day website updated of previews things that you can pre-order revealing the she bear's the friedman hedge nights the queen's men and the roller faithful. So i'm joined by barrack. The brick of songfire discord fame. Mike from off the wall games in massachusetts one of the best of our communities on the east coast and then calvin as well are patriots supporter extraordinary. So thank you guys so much. For coming on the podcast. Thanks for thinking and we were chatting a little bit before we got things started giving our kind of initial impressions here of the she bears and bear kind of. What was your hot take care. What your first impressions like the sculpture. Like like honesty offi. That's pretty cool. Yeah it's great to get a little more like diversity in the in the factions as well and they and they look pretty amazing like these are six. You're saying six sculpture and they all look pretty fantastic. Covid how about you. What do you think of the bears. So i i really like the The alternate or i guess technically be the primary more veterans skulk. Now the one. That's not an attachment box is. It's the kind of lady on the the front of the box carrying the torch. So that's it's just like a really kinda unique scope. I think they all they all look great Earnings down giant like spike club. Mace things ready to bash things and i would not want to get with one of my cavu. You think this is a really neat. We kind of already got a mini preview of this unit with the attachment box. So it's nice to see what the the whole thing shaping up to be but a really fantastic looking scopes. I will say they have have a little bit of shades of the great access kinda in their style. All of them holding club so mace. But i i have the moment veteran skull from the been books. She's holding more than x. So yeah that's a slight difference from the dutchman box moment veteran and i think looking at the box are on the back on the back side. There's an image there. And i believe that that image is in the original art book that came with the kickstarter and i think this might be the last unit that was revealed at kickstarter through art. That has now been or is coming to be released. I think with this unit it will actually close out. I think all the other art has been accounted for in released units up till this point so that kind of like solve that final mystery piece there. You'll even see like the art style like that's the they don't seem like that even from the box they don't use that art style anymore on the back there a little bit more detailed so that's interesting and so the mormon veteran had hardened or has hardened at least in one point six and so each time the unit was attacked after defense dice are rolled they would automatically block additional hits based on. How many steroid right. So do you think that the unit itself is going to have some sort of mechanic that inter-plays with that idea like what do you think might be the role of unit like this honestly. I feel like they might be a distraught. Union like the cradle. Man's all the might swatch veterans of the watch. I'm not gonna not an agile feel or disrupt feel the ability. Maybe if you like resilient or something like something on the side yeah yeah feel like. They're they're a unit that's gonna sit on objective and say all right. Bring whatever you got. And i'm just gonna hit you in the skull. What do you how do you kind of maybe predict. These might play out. I am actually reading the unit description on the back of the box. A little bit here so It says let's say they have zooming enhance Shoe bears armor of thick leather and heavy plate in arm themselves with two handed. Maces capable of caving and breastplate on armored helm with a single blow they add medium infantry with all the strengths and weaknesses there in the more dire the situation. The heart of the she bear's flayed often carrying on the battle past near-fatal winds. Okay sounds like buzzer. Goes to the best of my my blurry reading there. Yeah look look at the other design indications you know we already had the kick starter exclusive. wasn't elissa moment may be who Major my The she bear and she had to go down fighting. So maybe we will see something similar unit wide. Oh that can be fantastic. And it kinda hinted smashing in helms like maybe a sundering. Maybe something that's to armour cracker. They remind me a little bit of cutthroats the similar kind of weapons. So maybe something similar to that of no disrespect the neutral players. I i'm like in these scopes more than the cut. Kind of like these really tall guys. These are like these women you were like smashed face on the texts from my understanding. It's probably probably will be based on rings similar. Because i guess critic says let's maybe move on down and talk about the new turn gehring unit that's been revealed to the friedman and this is a really interesting one as well. I like. the boxer is really really cool. We don't see on the as midday stored at the back of the box. But of the to scopes they revealed its three miniatures on a single base. And so that kind of raises. Some questions about is that going to be a solo trae. Probably i'm guessing but it could maybe be. Would we ever see potentially like a cavalry tray with kind of a different sort of style like layer of troops. Were there like you know. Four spots of clusters versus like the clean ranks. I don't know any. Any predictions are thoughts in general about this. You know what we see. I think it would be really cool if they were all. If you get like four solo trays or two or however many Because they've kind of service like an on disorganized unit you can kinda just moved them all over the battlefield not something. Your opponent wants to focus on but they can do a lot of kind of disruption just by kind of flooding in areas. This is go my concern. We've dug arians. is they. Look like they have a lower solo. Trays definitely daniel giora. Dave tree dragons. That's all i can think of right now. The rock is a solo as well so having more solitary it will be interesting thing but mister defection identity a little bit but documents fiction identity have always been a mix of different sections on one. I think it'd be interesting to see. May be more irregular style unit so we may be cluster on some small bases may be in a looser formations kind of like. Maybe you see an end Some other Traditional wargames can you expand upon that so you meaning like maybe having some sort of like skirmish Were hammer fantasy. Where they didn't exactly rank up so maybe requiring them to have a loose formation it could just be a really interesting Designs face that hasn't been really explored yet. Here's here's my crazy. Speculation while the calgary tree that can study into solo trays. Oh something moving like like what's showing up on the radio like one blip and they're like oh no it's hundreds like they're all hiding onto each other it'd be really fun ones to try one store solo trae. If targets can't get dragons and transformers. I be jealous. That'd be like we do see one of triumphant looking leader character. Maybe they're there in the middle. It doesn't look represented on any of the basis. So maybe there's something else unless box we haven't seen yet as well. Oh interesting yeah. Maybe there could be some sort of cohesive thing where it's like based on a leader then. I don't know there's room yeah. There's a lot of cool room for design space there. Then you're right. I was almost wondering. Do you think we might see something like a. Could this be like the old free folk raiders. Where it's like you have to buy a certain number like you. Don't just get one tray. You gotta buy a pair of six points worth or something. Because i'm assuming it's going to be a cheap unit and a target. I don't have a lot of cheap units. So i could see was probably being pretty desirable as like maybe something a little bit. More spam -able or something you can fill in your gaps with but hopefully. It doesn't just become a lot of free activation. I would imagine the if they're in a solo trae out. Imagine they'll be two to three points. And if they were in the larger kind of cavalry trae but infantry maybe four maybe five. They're definitely going to be a unit that you just kind of uses a meat shield but it would be interesting if they had them kind of like regeneration mechanic like you sure you kill them. They don't have a whole lot of great abilities but they just keep coming back poor fellows right a little bit. Yeah i mean. That's the comparison because they do like the esso's bush of fails absolute. We also saw the hedge knights. But i know as free folk are such a popular faction. We probably spend a lot of time talking about them. Couldn't behind the law and stuff. I do better is a fan of them and mike. You're one of the lowest longtime neutral players head. Tonight's mike why don't i give the honor to you. Don't you start us off here. Any initial thoughts. Oh man i mean ever since these were spoiled. I think months ago and some preorder lists and misspelled. I've been looking forward to the for a long time. So now i think this is going to be a really interesting unit. Were starting to see a lot of calvary kind of come out of neutrals right now so this will be our third cavalry unit for the faction which could have some cool design implications as far as list building But also just the scope served really really awesome. You have these rugged guys beat up looking nights on horses with big two handed swords and Lots of space to you. Know anybody felt inclined to do their own harold Which i think is something. That's kind of a ripe for kind of a creative exploration there and then callan. I think we were talking a little beforehand. They did mention on the back of the box. There's four miniatures and then there's a total of five cards which includes a unit card and four attachment cards and a movement trae so it seems like maybe there might be a lot more of this box than meets the eye. Yeah i think when there are a couple of scenarios here where it's If you wanted each individual miniature has the same ability bought because it's a neutral you can have them in different units in there for you at technically new the different card for them or each figure is somehow has its own different ability which is very interesting and but that's kind of strange because it doesn't seem like they're notable characters or figures within the universal right. None of them look like the heads night. Rather like especially tall dunkin miniature here but going off of what mike said. I kinda had the exact same thinking that when i first heard hedge knights neutral or unit. That was eventually coming out. I was like oh you know wild speculation. What are these guys going to be. Or are they gonna be. You know flip nights. Are they going to be mounted. Are they going to be variations of that. And then seeing them they they are just kind of incredible looking scopes And my first thought also was. Oh man i could do so much with like random heraldry. In at different things from the universe itself apply lesser houses. And things to paint these guys. I love how the warn depict them as different than regular nights and just seeing the actual built into the scope cuts on the cloth and the the scrapes on the shields. Like they do look a little bit more weathered there so even if you don't paint them right if you're new to the hobby Paint your miniatures like these will still have a lot of flavor just as is and outside to see that kind of other things people do with them. Barrick you're actually talking about some of the side projects that you might be excited to incorporate this unit into can you talk about that. I mean the bravo the heritage idea but on speaking this cups a beautiful and it's so good for conversions for many projects soil. There was that house iron fend makes you cots. They will meet previously. Yeah like this totally. Perfect for the honestly. I'm the by tree. The boxers just cover house. I mean. I'm here on cool. Like custom force then. I don't know. Yeah actually. Mike what are you what do you think. And how many unit boxes did you. Maybe preorder for them at least two. Maybe see more with the attachments. Whether or not that brings something else better. Absolutely two of them can feed myself going to with will use steph minimum. That's good as a player who's maybe looking to dabble in some of the factors that great joys. I'm like well how do i. What do i do neutrals. And how many should i be getting. So maybe maybe pick up to then as well all the fair enough fair also looking at grades you and i'm like well. I don't think they'll probably a facts. And that's all about cavalry so maybe getting heads nights unit like that maybe make sense to have as an another option from a little bit more speedy completely agree. Yeah and then For breath ian. We have the queen's men revealed. Now's well we. We'd heard about the king's men before the queen's men and they've got some really interesting box. I couldn't quite tell it i and this is where my mind goes it. Looks like they're killing are those. Are this free. Fokker those stark's on the boxer. There's they're killing people infers. It looks like so definitely free folk. Okay how dare they know what the heck i initially thought. It was kind of a beach landing and they were killing somebody but on a lot of the other wipe rafi inboxes. It looks like they're killing the growth or something. So i question like is this really necessary. Right why why. Are we gonna stick into the here like this in this beautiful boxer but second thing you're talking about sculpture. This is another factor. You guys talking about heraldry on shields like these sculptures fantastic and the shields. Everything really seems to pop and i. I love the renders that they show here. But i know there's a lot of the graefin units they come out with that kind of color and they just show a lot of detail who likes to dabble with barath. Are these on your list. What are you excited about. I mean i haven't played them yet. But i have collected pretty much all of them and they're a lot of fun to paint and seeing each kind of figure here has different helm. That's pretty cool At the end of the shields are going to be so much fun to paint. Do you guys typically prefer having shields with the the the imagery like sculpted in or do you like to do like a flat shielded freehand or like a playa transfer to on. Those has to be stopped. That's my preference. I would strongly prefer that as well as somebody who has a ton of experience. Korean free ending us emblem. That's not easy man. It's not easy mike. What are your thoughts in the a just between like the artwork in the unit themselves. They look really really cool. They've got this awesome kind of rugged bayton luck to them you can cut his see scratches nicks on the armor and yeah they they just really really cool and we see that. This unit does not come with an attachment it's eleven miniatures including and then one bannerman looks like it'll be kind of itself a inclusive unit. Here what do you think we might see for stats here. What kind of unit might this be. I would assume it's going to have three armor safe with plate. Neyla she'll it's going to be slow guessing right. That's a given pairing off with that. Then is the light bringers which we've seen in the past right. That's a unit. That was revealed before i think we might have had one shot of the scope is that does that ring true. Yeah there was one in. I can't remember they were. There is a chat. That seem on echo. Yeah i think it would seem on expelled that they were briefly on screen for you. Know a couple seconds. But i've seen screams after them yet and so we've seen their their stats from back then and it was subject to change right and they had that vicious fire arrows were if the defender failed their panic tests they would suffer an additional wound and then it also spread panic token to another unit within short range so we kinda get like somewhat maybe even if the rules change or they get tweaked little bit we get somewhat of an idea behind what they're going to be about what what are you. What do you think of the scopes the box art. I mean we can pull out a little bit here. There's no attach when the units there's not quite as much to talk about but you know what were your initial impressions of what we see here. It looks they're the best looking range unit the game. Look i'm a long way since the start bowman I like the start bowman. They're they're simple but they're but they're beautiful in their own way. They've classic field to them. Yes a classic feel in a way to pick up aero's worked for intimidation right. The enemy looks out and sees us kilowatt. And i'm like oh there's a lot of guys with both and heroes. Now they remedied that here right. Oh this this makes me wanna learn objects or sliding is looking at that box at you ever want to. You know paint up a unit of that maybe having a whole stance army that has the source lighting. The flame weapons would be really cool. Man i'd love to do with nick a scenic basis. It'd be cool to do like a little trench in front of them with like fire. Like it's like a little led or something where it's like. They're all standing there. Dip their bows and they're that'd be pretty cool. Do you have a favorite sculpt out of the four that we see here. They're they're pretty dynamic. A lot of cool action poses. I was gonna say to the non action post guy. Looks kinda the best to me. And i think if we go back and i'm looking at on the the channel right now the guys that are not doing anything i think when i saw that it was like okay there. The action poses look better here. I mean that just kinda looks like you know what i can slowly pull my arrow out and i know that it's terrifying. The enemy sees me just casually pulling a fire arrow mike over. It's also interesting. I'm noticing that when they post the images on their website they're in reverse they flip the image and so initially. I was like oh interesting fire. They're both in their right hand. But that's actually that's not the case it's just the way they present the images on the asthma day store when what the reasoning behind that then reverse reverse. I one of those. You know why that happened to some point. Someone has to make that conscious decision. That's interesting but probably not the mysteries we need to explore on the on the podcast. I mean these are really amazing. And i'm excited to see what these actually a come out as a finalized version. I guess we'll probably get maybe a clue of that in the twenty one. Twenty one carfax. Maybe before these units even get out in the wild there isn't really a specific release date for them yet but it looks like we've got a lot of things coming down the pipe. Well thank you so much jumping on here quick. I know this is a little bit impromptu. We we saw them get released and barrick organize great cards. That showed like all the box are an and the units together to share. That was fantastic and we were all rose. We're all here talking about it or like. Let's just jump on record something and so thanks for making the time to come on here and talk a also. Haven't barrett fight having her own little. Rss feed ever go the interest in here thank you. It has to be a southern dining. Because if if you think popeye treats fall. I'm i'm asleep man. I can't do this. Isp's a running joke sleep through all the spoilers and then have to catch up hours later but this is the perfect overlap of time. Well i'm excited to get up there to massachusetts at some point maybe the summer depending on on cove and clean cleaned. And hopefully we'll all have all the cool toys at that point. I'll be looking forward to it. So barrick and calvin and mike thank you so much for jumping on and look forward to chatting with you more in the discord and for everybody else let us know in the comments of what you think about these new units if you have any speculation ideas or theories and in the meantime miniatures on the table.

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Day 183 (2 Kings 1-4) - Year 3

The Bible Recap

09:30 min | 4 months ago

Day 183 (2 Kings 1-4) - Year 3

"Hey bible readers. Terribly kabul and i'm your host for the bible recap second kings opens by recounting mo- apps rebellion against god and the people of judah. And we'll come back to this when we get to chapter three in a few minutes. Meanwhile in the northern kingdom of israel their king falls through the roof and his injured. He wants to know if he's going to recover. So he asked people to seek answers from a false god but al-shabib you may recognize that name. But maybe you didn't know this is where it came from and you may also recognize the names meaning it translates to lord of the flies but the one true god is privy to all. That's happening so he sends the angel of the lord to give an assignment. Elijah needs to rebuke the king's servant. For seeking out guidance from a false god and let them know their king. Ziya will die as i is not happy with elijah's message of course so he sends fifty people to threaten him but when they get their elijah pulls out his trademark moves of calling down fire from heaven and consumes them must think it's a fluke because he sends a second and then a third set of people to confront elijah by the third set. The captain is nervous because now one hundred people are toast. The first two captains were pretty demanding of elijah but the third captain is more cautious respectful and he tries to talk reasonably with elijah. Elijah let them know that. God's word is firm will die. After ziad is his younger brother. Joe horan becomes the new king of israel and this is worth noting. The king of judah at this time is also named joe. Horim some bible translations. Try to help with this confusion. By referring to the king of israel as giora m- instead so you may not have to deal with this confusion at all depending which translation you're using speaking of potentially confusing names chapter two recounts how elisha takes over as elijah successor as a refresher. It might help to remember that. J comes before s in the alphabet just like elijah comes before elisha. Everybody knows elijah is about to be taken away. Elijah knows it she knows it and all the prophets around them no. It elisha refuses to leave him alone. He is not looking forward to allege departure. even though that means he'll be getting a promotion ilija basically says what do you want me to give you in my will and elisha answers with something that is impossible for elijah himself to give only god could give it. He wants a double portion of the spirit that elijah has this is reminiscent of how the firstborn son usually gets twice the inheritance of the other sons but here alleges apprentice doesn't twice the livestock or twice the land. He wants twice the gods saturation. This is an incredibly wise request. Ilija says that one's not up to me buddy but we'll ask god and see what he does and then we do see what god doesn't it's wild. He sends a cherry to fire down from heaven. Holy uber if you will to pick up. Elijah fire from heaven has always been alleged signature. Move but it has always been empowered by god. It's not like some kind of power or skill illogic and polite as a party trick whenever he wants. And what i love about this is that it's not just a sign of alleges agency but it's also a sign of the relationship between god and elijah fire from heaven. Is there inside joke so to speak the fiery chariot takes them up into the heavens and this is really interesting here because this culture has no notion of bodies going up to the heavens bodies. Go down to shield the grave so this really throws them off a bunch of people go to see if they can find him or his body. But he's vanished taken by god and i want to be careful not to say anything. That scripture doesn't say at this point. This particular passage gives us no indication that elijah dies at this point usually when people die the text will say something like he slept with his father's or something like that but all it tells us about. Elijah is that he was taken away willing to a short article about this in today's show notes. In case you want to read more elisha sees all this happening. Which is the sign that god is answering his request with a. Yes then elijah's i. Three miracle signify his position as alleges replacement i he parts the water just like alleged versus earlier and like moses and joshua have done in the past then he speaks life to the waters of jericho and he speaks death to the boys who mocked him before you think elisha as being too harsh with the boys these people are living in a place of idol worship rebelling against galway. So god's kevin it with israel would put them under the death penalty anyway and they seem to be telling alisha. God's profit that they want him dead they're telling alisha to go up like elijah had gone up there. Adding insult to injury by pointing out his baldness because the cultural norm for prophets is to leave their hair uncut and the law requires not cutting their sideburns but elisha might not have had any sideburns to cut so these guys who are walking in idolatry are harassing god's prophet for breaking either a social standard or for breaking the law. He wasn't breaking. That's ironic. now. Let's get back to mow abs rebellion which the author mentioned briefly at the start of today's reading and then tells in further detail in chapter. Three moab has rebelled against israel. And this may or may not be a reference to what we read about yesterday in is prophecy about moab israel and judah team up to go to war with moab but they make a poor decision on what route they should take because they used apple maps instead of google maps or better yet. Yeah way they end up in the desert with no water and they finally decide to consult with alisha but alisha is like who me. You wanna talk to me. Don't you guys have your own pagan profits back home. Ask them but they beg him. And since he has a weak spot for josh chevette one of the few good kings of judah he relents and agrees to talk to them. You request a little background music. I this makes me think of the church services where the guitar finger picking through a chorus during the altar. Call then he says. Here's the deal. God's gonna bring you water then you'll be refreshed then you'll go defeat feet moab and when you win. Destroy everything on your way out of town. They follow a license commands and as they're clearly winning the war the king of moab panics and makes an incredibly wicked plea to his god by offering his son up as burnt sacrifice in hopes that it will bring them victory moab makes another strong. Push against israel with great wrath. The text says that israel had already effectively won the battle so they retreat back home probably to avoid unnecessarily losing more men. Chapter four is full of miracles. Elisha performs and i love that. They're not all big things like national battles there things as seemingly small as helping a widow provide for her family. God not only provides enough to help her from having to sell her sons into slavery but also provides enough for them to live on afterward and not only does god us elisha to provide for the poor but he also uses him to provide for the rich elisha a wealthy family who offers to help him with whatever he needs. The only thing the wife wants is a son and elisha prophesied that she'll have one awesome but then the son dies not awesome. She seeks out a license help and here. He performs his most dramatic miracle. Raising the dead double portion. Indeed this woman responds. I with praise before she even goes to pick up her son. Elisha final miracle in this chapter was purifying some putrid stu and multiplying food during a famine. I love that. God used him in such a wide array of situations. What was your god shot today. Mine was just a little phrase in three seventeen where elisha is prophesying to the kings about how they'll defeat moab he says you shall not see wind or rain but that stream bed shelby filled with water. God was going to provide in a way that was invisible to track. They wouldn't be able to see any progress just results. This kind of thing is always such a trust building exercise when we can't see how god is working but we just have to believe that he is. God does some of his best work in the dark. Just because it's dark. It doesn't mean that he does have victory in store when the lights come on. Who knows what he's up to but even earthly losses still. Add up to eternal victories. In god's economy so our hearts can be at peace regardless whether you're next battle as a victory or a he's wear the joyous. The trinity is one of the most foundational truths of our faith. It can be really confusing though. And if we aren't careful we ended up putting the three persons of the trinity in a blender and mixing them all up together as though they're the same while god the father god the son and god the spirit are one and they are unified in their will and purpose. They're also distinct in their roles. We built out a pdf that talks more about the roles of the persons of the trinity using examples and scriptures. And we'd love to share that with you if you want to get this. Pdf four free. All you have to do is go to the bible recap dot com forward slash trinity and submit your email address. That's the bible. Recap dot com forward slash trinity the bible recap is brought to you by du discipleship and bible study groups that meet in homes and churches around the world each week.

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Naomi Chatterley of Wellness Collective Events | Ep. #93

Inside the Spa Business | Spa

53:18 min | 2 years ago

Naomi Chatterley of Wellness Collective Events | Ep. #93

"Gary and welcome to episode Ninety-three of the inside this Bob business show. My name is Trent Monday, and I will be your host and this week on the show. I have a very special guest this week. I had the opportunity to sit down with Niamey Chatterly. Now who is Niamey Chatterly will she's the head of global marketing for the wellness collective events. And what exactly is the wellness collective, and what the hell of these wellness collective events. Well, for the real answer, you'll have to stay tune for these episode, of course, but to give you a rough idea, it's essentially a spa conference Aspira vent with a difference. And what are those differences again will delve into that throughout today's little chat? But one thing I will give you right now if you wanted to maybe get a bit more information as on. Talking with Nyerere me. You can go to wellness collective events dot com and find out a little bit more about the event and find out about the the venue itself. And kind of what's happening. So wellness collective events is the place to go for everything else. And I mean everything else you'll have to choose into the show. Now, I want you to long on the deduction this week because it is a bit of a long interview with Niamey. So I'll get right into it. Suffice to say if you have any comments, please let me know you can send an Email to me at Trent Monday dot com. Or if you wanted to join in the conversation the best place to do that. As a ways is head on over its linked dean Lincoln as the place. We have the most interesting active and sometimes quite boisterous conversations around out topics on the show so linked in my profile name Trent Monday, pretty easy to find count over joining the conversation. But for right now, let's get right on with this week's episode and. Find out all about the wellness collective events. Thanks for joining us on the show. Really great to have you here. Pleasure. Look to behalf. What I would really love to talk about with. You is finding out. Exactly, what this wellness collective thing is all about and then specifically may be about what the wellness collective of vent is all about because they they kind of two separate things if I'm right? Am my right. Don't know if you all right. So wellness collective events. If we start that way round is the organization, the sensually facilitates brings together the wellness collective, so we are providing as guys ation the platform. In the case of the European networking event. Which is going to be insistently in April where going to be holding the Giora hotel and spa resorts. So that's that's the platform where it takes place. But wellness collective is essentially all of the people from this industry, wellness and spa who have real invested interest in making this industry grow making the changes that need to happen. Having the discussions that needs to happen. As as well as the important aspects of what the events around. But in an shell. That is the difference between the wellness collective events. So actually, I should say before we go too much further. I'm currently sitting in a hotel room in Colombo. I've just heard the train go by and I've just heard the police sirens. Go by. So if we have any audio interruptions will just have the power through it so policies for that. So Niamey could you drill down a little bit more on the wellness collective who? Is the wellness collective is it an individual is a group of individuals is at a company is it a Representative body like a spire association is a community within the industry. What really is it? The way was collective will be made up of everybody who's come to a wellness cut to the events. It's the community hope that we're trying to build from these events because just because event has taken place, and then you get on the plane and go ho the community shouldn't stop back. We won't people to continue talking afterwards. You know, it's a networking event. And the whole point of networking is actively keeping people in touch. I think that's a bit of a problem with networking events that we see elsewhere in industry. It literally is all about the events. It can cry often fast paced thing, and then you back in back in the business, and that say until next one that's absolutely what we want to get away from we won't miss two buildings committee hope and it will be global as well. Because obviously we have an events in Europe in April. But then we'll be Russia and South Africa, then to the air, and then we'll be. Doing the country's next year as well. So we're really trying to create this global community hope, so it's an interesting way to put it because you right events are all about networking and and community, I guess, and really I guess what you're doing is you the goal is to build a community and the the tool the channel you're doing that through is the events. So we start with the event, and then from that we create a community around it and then the audience for that community to be ongoing in that network to be a an organic living thing throughout the year. Is that kind of how you absolutely that's right. See that's interesting. And that's look I gotta tell you the reason, and we'll talk a little bit more about what I'm actually going to be doing at the event not only for my listeners. But also for me because I'm actually mystified as to exactly what I'm doing this hot seats. One of the reasons that some that I wanted to talk to you about it. And I was actually came to come to the event because there's a few things that you seem to be trying to do that I different, and, you know, I've been fairly critical of the spot conference world for awhile about and conferences in general. But obviously the spot conferences where I'm at. And to me there's a lot of things that don't quite work with the business right now. And there's a few reasons that I have for that. But no one's really doing anything different. And I wrote a post the other day that I literally saw a screen shot of somebody's sitting on a panel at an event, and I just looked at that photo thought. Oh god. Here we go game. You know, it's kinda the same people saying the same things in the same format to the same people and look on one of them is my house. So I've got to be careful how much I slam myself. But I do think it's time for disruption. That's what I love about. What you guys are trying to do you seem to be doing different things. That's right way, well, exit the I promise of this whole evades is wellness. Ironically, the people who are coming to this event senior spot up raters Browns. Consultants and whole host of people in between. But some of the busiest people on the planet, and even though everything that we're doing every day is about promoting wellness. The right way to live the best lifestyles. There is a very people who never take the time to actually practice while the preach, and that is just such a huge cruel irony and near the muck ineffective. That is as we'll find you can get so involved in the daily my new show of running a business that you out stomach and just look at the bigger picture of. Why am I even doing this? Do I even look doing it anymore where am I going, and what's the opportunity, and how do I destroy the status quo? And that's is the premise on which well as an eclectic was created max, the founder was approached by an umbrella of senior people senior Spar craters and Browns who fell that. There was this gap in the markets where. The was wellish really wasn't brought in any of the events and people really just need to give given opportunity to have some time to come away and work on that business rather than in that business, but also takes time out for themselves to just experience what they are promoting to their clients on a daily basis. And also we wanted it to be really practical in terms of the takeaways that's operators have because oversee we recognize. Certain from crates point of view line managers are going want seem turn an investment for letting a spa director or spa manager on the business for three or four days. So they they've got to prove that, you know, I went to Sicily for four days, and this is what I came back with. So we try and take that crazy manic Russia out of the events the the whole agenda is built around. Well, it's up to and taking time. But he cleared the the activities where you actually get participates as a group meant to be one. After another the Ron hundred things going on the have to choose between from any one time. And you actually just come away feeling more stressed and tired. So does that side of it? And then into the actual wellness activities that you can take him. We've tried to really build a five palooza well of every church points that we can so on a morning, we'll have. Various activities, meditation and yoga on the beach. We actually have account actually real who is right now, but a fairly famous face from their flex it will taking winning groups in the morning. Then we've got we've got things like digestive meditations after lunch time for people who wants it. We've got meditations wind down before beds. We've got. Products in rooms, I sleep and oats permits sleep. We really thought about nutrition, and we've even got tench one-to-ones for all groups as confidence building. So we're really trying to brace all five of the pillars of wellness and promote them through our every aspect of the events. And then. I just wanted to know maybe a little bit more about this structure of the event itself. So apart from the understand, you've got the wellness activities. Maybe it started at the end probably during the middle of the day as well. But the core vented self what is it is this conference where people get up and speaking do keynote presentations is it a. A trade type show or business matching show. What exactly is it? Because I must must be honest when I was first introduced to this event. And I looked at it. I was excited about the things you're doing differently, but then the more I look at it. I thought will MRs owners like one of those business matching also the trade type shows can you clarify for us. The the structure of the main event will the main I don't know the workshop the main the non wellness part of it the business part of it. I guess. So we are gathering in one place over three or four days. A number of senior spa Willis pratice inevitably. We Brown's product brands wants meet with those Spar pratice as do Spar pratice because again feedback that we had was. Operators. So busy everyday just in in the spy ruling the spa. They don't have time to have meetings with Brown's it can take up to six months just to arrange a meeting. They know that they want to bringing an exciting new Brandon. What's keep up with trends? They just don't have time. So essentially, we're bringing those two groups together giving them the time. So that will be an elements of what they call the speed dating Brown's meet you meeting approach just just to keep it full is structured, so that everyone knows that they've had shifted to meet who they wants meat, then, of course, outside of those periods which will happening during two of the days but only for half a day each. So outside of that. You've got all of this all the time to carry on those conversations because speed the speed dating way of presenting businesses is hugely exhausting. And, you know, not not only for the person who's actually presenting that they spill. So probably fifty minutes times ten oh fifteen times a day. It's also exhausting for the recipient the operator as well. And actually is that conducive to the best kind of learning where people's heads spinning with a really take away. All all of the information is that for Browns point of view for their investment in the time coming out and. Spent spending time. With products and things is that the best use of their budget. If they're not really going to get engagement, if not really gonna get time people to go away and think about what we've said, oh, build a relationship, of course, outside of the fifty minute. Initial presentation bronze canal carry on conversations be Tova lunch. Beat will conduct to the beach for bit of yoga on the beach tentatively. There are other facilities in the majority of resorts the spas available all day for anyone who wants to go for spa treatments, and actually what we have got five treatment rooms that we've set for spa brands to demonstrate their products as well. So again, anybody who wants to take on to key in for treatment from Browns and experiencing what these Browns have to offer. This doc shoots his well. And again, you don't tend to get that in in other events. Just because pop many thing. Not not many people really want to go to two day business events and and lying on a table. Having facial massage, you know, and then be business facing again. After that that this is different. It's very informal. We're not we don't require people to come in suits or anything like that. It's meant to be relaxing. So relationships get forged better and stronger. Cursor? Look, I think then would it be fair to say that obviously the wellness component is a big part of it for the individuals the delegates in the people participating. But the core of the business is essentially this business matching the speed dating. You talked about that's kind of the core. The business side of it is that is that correct? States fifty percents of the business side of it. It's the education it's personal development again for operators. And this was the key piece of feedback that we got really operators tend in general to woods, they will to the positions. They got despite under sparked artists from being therapist, and they confess struck up to the senior positions quite quickly. But before you know, it you winning business responsible for PNL. And in most cases, the not the don't the not invested in in terms of the kind of business management, people management, marketing and. You know account CIN KPI's and all the things that anyone who's going to the business world. Just takes granted. It's just what you learn as you come the ranks. But leave you got individuals that are expected to know all of this as well as be in the business, providing amazing service current with new client treatments promoting the business getting more clients in. And this is why prices really value these networking events because more not may get their education. They're learning from their peers because the rift isn't which it to invest and said people management courses. So again any platform allows patriots come together and meet with each other just have have that conversation sessional. Of issue in my spa. And I've never come across this. Have you ever come across this? How did you handle it? That's invaluable. But then on top of that we want to give. The latest learnings. The latest trends, we wanna push the envelope. You feel Aiken and stop getting people thinking outside the box and the future of where this whole Spar wellness world is actually going and to to do that. We've created these hotseat symposiums. Now, the reason why we started because I wanna find out what this hot seat. What is this about? Right. Well, first of all, I'll be really honest. I'm a huge fan. Keynote speakers as way to really impact skills base lending cater because our wonderful that inspirational you go away probably feeding lifted, you know, oh, it's amazing that achieve this. And you know, maybe I can too. But there in lies the difference. How how do I how do I go back to my business and achieve what that amazing inspirational speakers done for me? That's always the got. So we we found the whole idea of of individual speakers of any kind, and what we really want to do is impose real skills-based practical takeaways now obviously in the times game scales with God's. We wanted to his many different people from different parts of the industry. I'm not even from the industry. That's really person to assess well is to bring people who aren't even Boden's farm was industry and bring Smout side XP's in insights and. So the hoc- symposiums, I guess for me, I call them a bit of a match between your traditional panelist. Events and a more intense bespoke workshop to work on specific issues of business challenges the way, everything in seat symposium is against the clock. And we literally gonna have great big countdown clock in the background. To keep everything on time, concise focused go from tangents because people who will bring in the questions to the events, and we are gathering those questions as people as freighters register. So we're asking races anything, which is your biggest business challenge that you're facing today. So it gives us an idea of the key scenes and topics that people really want to dress. Then each panelist will have woman it's only woman it's against the clock to introduce themselves. Who they are what the credits are white. Why am I here? Each superiors AM is on a specific area of a sleigh. We've got commercial clinic, which he'll go south will work with for wellness. We've got future spa and also about skincare treatments. Now, an individual who wants to bring business challenge to the flow. We'll get five minutes in the hot seats and again against the clock. They will have to describe what their challenges, you know, better detail, but of the complexities and then each panelist gets two minutes again against the clock to give the key. Takeaway tha that challenge. And one key piece of advice. Now, this this is the bit where the panelists Cam bring any tools any information that they want to actually give away as a here here. Here's a tool here is something that I can give you all today with its groundbreaking research. Something new whether it's I'm going to show you all have setup chat bots on your phone. So that you can talk to customers without champs talks to as a real pet. Skill skill as you get more of a workshop environments, and then once each panelist has had that's two minute feedback session. It can be opened up the flow of the questions Accenture. But again, the whole each challenge will have thirty minutes on the floor, and then not sets and the idea is it's what appraisers wouldn't normally get the Schutte is for these very. High level experienced Seaney people in the in the industry to actually take time and work on a specific business problem that they might have in their business and Somme. That's that's the workshop side of it. It would be a very bespoke approach to you know, I really struggling to keep to keep stuff. I'm still separate pace. And also got therapists half Moustapha suffering from taken. You know, what do I do? It's very rare that you get situation. Where all these senior learned people will actually focus on your business problem unquote with solutions, a practical solutions are not we're not talking theory of how we do it. Right. If you go back and do this this new business next week. You will say a difference. You will say return positive impact on your bottom line. I'm we've also brought people from very different backgrounds said that we have different perspectives on it. So after the talks, we will be providing all the guys with the tools that speakers of with them to take away and actually using that business. And so it might be a pace the research. It might be actually, hey, here is a business plan that will absolutely solve this problem or. Or hair is how to. Use message marketing to cut down the time that you spend bringing new clients guaranteed. It will. You know, enable you to bring more clients in spend less time trying to go out five of these kind of these can practical tools that will really keen that these seats potions will deliver. And that's the difference. So occurred trying to unpack a couple of weeks of that the first thing for me is to understand. It means there's one this one business owner all business person. Who's got a problem, and we all try to fix the problem or and then the whole panel as well as the whole Williams digs into that problem or there's multiple people with multiple problems coming up and the panels takes a couple of minutes at age of those problems. Now, they'll be one main challenge problem, but you can bet your Buxton dollar from the from what I'm already seeing in terms of the feedback. There are this real common theme of problem. So one person might be that person putting the hot seat to present a challenge, but you can guarantee half of the rest of the room will probably be struggling with the same issue. So in a way. Yes, this this recieve. The theater around one individual presenting best if it case, but it's gonna resonates with everybody else in the room. So actually. It will base building many people's issues, even though the will probably have half a dozen themes. I would say from what I'm saying combing through. So hopefully, we will be absolutely. Get picking outs and swathes. Some of the case things that people are struggling with right now. It's an interesting concept. I mean to me that the Kate of this thing is going to come down to number one. How how detailed in house Pacific the person the business with the problem gets because obviously the more calibrating around their specific problem? The it is to give advice specific to their problem. Because otherwise, I think the challenges I've got problem. Retaining staff will hair off three thousand articles on retaining staff, and guess what? They all apply to you. But you know, if your problem is retaining staff because of transportation issues will because of you know, you you'll is in a crappy area of town or whatever than they're very unique problems to you that some of those solutions may not feed. So that I guess is going to be the first challenge for me as someone who's going to be sitting on that panel to try and help. And I guess the other problem is going to be not the problem. The challenge is going to be from the from the panelist point of view. Is being able to say something to answer that specific problem as opposed to generic answer. Which is why we're going to I'm guessing all of this feedback before the events, and we'll be able to give each the panelists a fairly good idea of what's becoming their way. So there cannot you cannot really prepare and give something meaningful back. So wouldn't we're not literally gonna it's not going to be surprised you on the day of of what you're going to be asked. You will be him. Plenty of time before to prepare as meaningful and useful feedback. It's it's I love I love the fact that it's a different concept. I I guess that sort of format is something that gives people a practical takeaway, potentially the challenge, I guess again is that time factor because it is so time sensitive. Yeah. It's interesting. I'm I'm excited about attending. Really? I am excited about trying something different. I think, you know, the real value, and it comes back to what you said way back at the start of our conversation about building an ongoing community. And that's where I think it's going to become really interesting is how that community helps continue to monitor and solve the problems after the event. Absolutely. I think I mean, you're right. During one hot seats imposing we cannot solve all the problems in industry. But they're in a gay when she when she leaves the hotseat symposium on PC, sir. You know, there's competitions can carry on. We're gonna have sessions in the European magazine escape lounge where people can specifically make speakers. So just want to carry on the conversation. If somebody, you know does just want to actually ask a question that hasn't even come up as a healthy. If there is change to do that, we are giving people plenty of time outside of the scheduled to his in the day to make those connections. And again, it was really important that we did that it was specific asks for so we have a sort of before breakfast wellness activities and have breakfast. Then you go into. Halsey symposium full couple of hours. Then you might have a couple of of the speed dating round speed dating meetings, then you'd have lunch after loan. She might have other move of the speed dating meetings, or you might have another hot sees impose you, but then we will make sure that you will always have a good three or four hours of the afternoon time just to do what you want to do new full then go into an evening events or a reception. And that was really important when the approaches were asking those we need this kind of events. It was asked please give us time. We can process all this information that we're learning we can think of those questions. Oh, we shut us. This. The palace is still going to be around less. And to be plenty of time over dinners overload and essay on the beach running around the graves to have these conversations. And I think that's also what's. What makes it, you know, you just come away bushing, I hope even from hotseat symposium with with throwing a foot into it. We've got one of these Mike softball microphones the throw in storage in. So again, this no one sitting around just allowed to sit and say, nothing, we require participation often. That's what gets people really riled and passionate. And like I've got to keep on top of this because it could become into me neck. So, you know, it's it's quite an Americanized way of doing it. Big on this the style of conference. But you know, I personally cook level this on the team have experienced these kinds of this way of doing it is I just get so much more active than the dry alternative, which panel sessions, which can be ambiguous. It's quite just opinion land rather than fact lead. So, yeah, it's it's all it's all a bit of a, you know, it's the first time we're doing it. And. Yeah. This fitness alone events occur. So yeah, we're really massively excited because we'd really can break the mold with this. And unless abuse you as well because we've got so many people who wants to get involved just because they are excited bringing their skills. You know, and given the speed already to say, you know, to say, well, you really need to doing this, and you really need to do not would really like CD's and also the beauty of of the nature of the wealth collective events team is we're quite were small team. So we're very flexible and agile we can be very responsive. You know, we can build in pretty much the Pat what people won't again, I think that is also a positive difference to the events out the quite managed to a template. If you like. Aspires. We can be really flexible. Well, it's a catch twenty two. I think people want to see what they what they going to get when they get there. So the idea of having a a schedule and having a list of speakers and topics intellect kinds of stuff it kind of follows the people want that. You know, having a conversation with someone actually just just last night about an event that they went to recently. And they felt it was a first time really at aspire event. And what they said was sometimes even the topics on the list wasn't really what the speakers or the panelists were even speaking about because they sort of winning with their own agenda, and what the speak about regardless of what the question was. And they sort of kept structuring the answers. So it is a catch twenty two people one structure wanna know of the ginning in four they also I think in order to make the event live and happen. It really depends. And that I think is the challenge for you guys. If you can actually have this thing evolve throughout the course of the few days, and you know, throw away even your own preconceptions about what it has to be. Because really what you'll building is that community ride, and it's if the community speaks it's like on the island for full the animals dance that way, we will go that way. It's it's kind of I was thinking even when you're talking about the the business match. Ching speeding fame. I've been to a number of those events and you're right. It is it is draining. Tortures probably would I would use. Because these people have got you there for ten fifteen minutes. They addition to try and peach every single feature Gizmo and gadget and everything like possibly tell you and in reality, you don't. You don't get much time to kind of absorb what they really talking about. Anyway, you don't really get a chance than NATO experience the product even fair, you know, cream or lotion throat on a hand or whatever. But you know, you need to go away and use it that night and then wake up the next morning put it on. And then I will now I get the other thing of courses that I don't think I've ever bought from any of those events that I've attended two coming out of that panel session or coming out of that that business matching that speed dating thing, but two or three years down the track the relationship that I made that I might a connection with somebody. That's potentially where those business partnership stop to happen. And if you can I mean, if I'm a golfer, and we're out on the golf course. And this guy just happens to be skin care provider, and he throws out some nice sunscreen or something and we use it as we're playing around to go. That speaks so much more to me as an individual to be able to experience this person as an individual. A person as as in real life person as opposed to guide patina product the balance of that. It's interesting, we're try I mean in terms of products because you know, you are right. We're gonna have around fifty that oversee not old skin products. But that is because we are taking people away to Sicily that oversees the very real issue that people have to be a special case just to bring all the samples and everything that you gonna get an event like this. So what we are actually doing for craters about three or four weeks before the event, we are sending each operator giant gift box with all of the samples of all of the Browns. Even if it's Brown, the Kashi, send us some point might be finished Brown. You know information show this so that they have time before they even get the to just, you know, sample skin products or read about what the office that Ron so they already calm and a bit more informed. And you are you are absolutely rights. Brown's where where it's relevant around the events. We'll be providing like some Cree. We've sleep sleep products night, relaxation products and everything in between. So that we're really came to get Brown's want to showcase to the maximum. You know benefit that they can and operators won't to receive that information in, you know, in the optimum surroundings and head space that they can a nice where what we're trying to bring together and chief here. If I can just jump in the challenge again based on my experiences with these business matching events, the people who are selling the products the supplies or the brands want to talk to ABC, but ABC actually doesn't wanna talk to them ABC wants to talk to different people. So there's often a mixed purpose. In terms of the brand's wanna talk to that operator that out breida actually doesn't really wanna talk to that brand. They will because we have to play nice role in the same room. But I'm really not interested in that brand because I'm interesting other brands and so because it's such a diverse industry wherein. It's really hard to get twenty writers in room and have twenty brands that represent everything that each of those operators would actually warm and business. So that is always going to be challenged. I think you're right. It will one of the one of the specifications of the aupres who attend. Is that the got to have budget to spends said the might be in the middle of projects, you know, be. It's a new build an extension an upgrade tuber spa. And they've got something to spend budget, which I think is also. I think that's another piece of feedback that we've heard from Browns in the past where they go to events, and then feel like will we you know, we who received. So speaking people, but actually, you know, half of them were students all of them with people who didn't have the, you know, the authority to buy. So Browns will definitely not be guessing that here every two this coming has been ham picked full their to meet the criteria. And you know, again, I think it's it's a small of event that. We do. I mean, we do allow the Browns creches to choose who they want to meet. You're always going to get that situation where Brown might wants me pray to who is looking something. Again, you've got time outside of those speed dating meetings to sue just strike a conversation with that person. And you never know by just talking without Hartselle approach might end up. Finding yourself buying some something that you didn't even know you needed because you've had time to have more conversation than will be forced to here in fifty minutes. And I've got to this because I got to play the game as you say. You know, I it's not it's not how we want it to go. There is a level of. Well, there are you know, they're all brands and Rodney approaches, and who wants to have people top of their agenda here that wants me we've got to schedule that and make that work. So there will always be elements of you know. Just just fits him with a sort of timetable. You could have to see X Brandon. Accelerates burton. I would hope that there is. This going to be shared say the more people are going to see more people that they want to see down not. And even if this that's Cajun way, he's sitting in maybe thinking, this is it relevant smae that will be options for that brunt speech that person again. Less pacing Viramontes. And and that she Browns tuition, they they'd rather have that Ron how ten really good quality meetings with people that they wanted to me, and they know wanted to meet them. And that's that's what we're aiming full. And again, it's it's the first time we've done it. You know, we will we've got a plan based on feedback of how we want it to go. Hopefully, it will it will work as people want to if it doesn't with very feedback. People take feedback in different ways. Don't they can we heart and soul into Innoventions? You've seen did everything that was aston's. This didn't quite working. Right. Where can you can you can take that? And just three hundred say, oh, well, you know, you can think this is amazing. Because now now we've got inside to how we're gonna make it better. And do it different next time and -absolutely is we're we want to be in that way. We do not want to be fixed that this is the recipe that you're gonna say. From now until yet, and it will never change. No. Because isn't the whole point that the spa amounts industry needs to change? So doesn't it follow the an event that supports the sponge distri needs to change with it as when so you're Rodham, even we'll I personally I love free Becker level with people. Tell me have good, unfortunately when picky tell me how good. People take that pretty personally. Right. I mean, it takes healthy ego to be told maybe it's not perfect. But I think back to back to that core mission. I guess you talked about at the start was building a community. And I think if you can hold onto that as your core principle is building a community then everything else he's only positive like Avery single comment. You get positive or negative every single interaction you get positive or negative. He's old powder. That's what community is Rodman's. The good the bad. It's the ugly. It's it's an interesting. Evolution it really is. So just to be clear in if the operators have been invited. So if I'm a spa therapist. I'm not coming to this. I'm a business owner or manager correct? Yes. Correct. Okay. Okay. So it's business owners and managers coming in ease brands of products and services in and around the spa wellness beauty industry. That are coming spot. Specially st- I would add various well to mainstream brands we're not gonna see Brown's on the high streets. Again, it's it's through the Browns. Appraisal. Get lots of lots latest innovations of the lectures, Triton's and learning it supports the Spar industry. And so you're not you're closed for ten days. I guess I mean, you've got invitations out there those that are coming and full, and we still have spaces. We still have at say probably about thirty spaces left braces. You know that the still room Bruns to say we've got capacity for around fifty Rams. So there are still a few places left. But I have to say we have been absolutely old by the phenomenal response and the excitement around the events. I mean. I suppose should we base apprised, but not not so much because it was the people who live in splitting it at the very ones who asked finish events on the way, it's doing. So I suppose it shouldn't be much as much of this prize that we've had the response we've had, but it's always reassuring to how the. Absolutely. So yeah, it's wonderful. So there are a few places left. If anyone wants urge them to to get interested on at least once the registered obviously booking flights. Sicily's quite. Getting. Place. I mean which hose the jewelry because it is world class. For wellness. Gonna have your launch events. Anyway, you're gonna won't sit. And it's all about well, then she can say in one of the top. Well, let's promoting environments in the world, which is this really what I would also just point Taft as Wellington to the community. We also launching an awards ceremony. Now, again, we hoping these different because they exist to recognize individuals in the industry, so again individuals from any positive industry, not just spa people not just Brown's people can be anyone from educators to trade bodies to service providers as put to providers software. Unum. It anybody can been nominated. What we call it. I Khan award. Now over this is relaunching this in Sisley as well nominations are open now and anybody could nominates you don't have to be going to vent snow mates and your don't equally have to go into to be nominated. But it's quite exciting as well. Because. We again trying to recognize that this industry is made up of. Such sandwich mall than I guess we'll ever thinks day today, which is literally the opera operations embraces and its recognition for that. Because. No matter what role you play in the industry. Everybody can come together make that difference. And I think from what I've seen as a relatively new person to industry looking in. I don't think there's connections of necessarily be made to the full capacity or opportunity yet. I don't think that that has been really recognized these networking events fantastic. But when they really get Ford big ideas, and you know, we've got some big thinkers coincidence. We can move things forward light is the opportunity is phenomenal. It just excites me a huge opportunity that well as cut to events house to bring people together, I would stress people knocks on the streets. Well, but I look at the sperm lawless industry, and I think my goodness made this this is a union industry that sandwich charity. But the problem is everyone's just running around trying to crazy do what they do today. There is just no bandwidth. Had had space and nothing came the bigger picture. And there are not to say there are a lot of amazing people inspiration people. I've met now in industry and talking to and they are saying the exact same thing. I mean, you know, we're not saying anything Newell revolution or hear about what needs to happen. But I think the problem is everybody's doing it, very what's your name silos, and like anything, you don't get groundswell. You don't get a real movement. So a change of movement will ever really come together and starts working together. And that is really what? Well, as events is all about Iran, locker sit on very very interested in excited about attending event. Because of a lot of the stuff that you just talked about today. The fact that it is something different is something unique and the two woods that I guess that come out of this conversation for me is that community aspect and the. Organic dynamic nature of the event. If those two things can be honest, and if they if they stay at the core of everything that happens during these few days, I actually reckon that this very chance in this running into something pretty special. So I'm excited to be a pilot. I'm so pleased it coming trip. We we all we can see the response that we've had from. We're announcing the speakers the penalties at the moment. And. This is so much excitement around it for your good self too. So we're very excited to to have you along by all means give gives you feedback with not scam. Choice. Just before we go. Can you let everybody know where to find out the details of the event tell us again where the event is win. It is how they get there. How much it costs them become all that kind of stuff? Can you? Give us the nuts and bolts shut sale if you're an operator it's cost hundred twenty pounds to come. Everything's included you accommodation food drink everything for the full days afraid, we also give them three hundred fifty euro voucher to spend on the around the resorts in spa facilities. It's taking place at Jura resort hotel resort and spa in Sicily from the twenty four to the twenty seventh of April. You can find our Ola Bassett's the website, which is wellness collective events dot com. We're also. Clinton Facebook, Instagram. You can start taking part in the conversations. Now, that's the social platforms as I've just said hugely powerful because we can start bringing conversations even head of the actual event us what no they're full. And I think that's probably everything other than I would say the icon awards. Opposite is also details on the websites about those encourage everybody to get nominates him. Because it's it's not a nominating. As in popularity contest. It is quite evidence-based. If you got somebody who you want to nominate one of the ten awards, we do request Pacific evidence to prove that they meet the criteria that. You're nominating full, and it will be judged by a panel of six judges who going to independence of. It some cases of the industry, even so it will be really really strict Tim fair into the J. But hopefully, that means if you win an award it really does mean some. And I think everything also once again excited about attending excited about seeing how Olivos more than anything else. And look forward to seeing you there and meeting a whole bunch of other people that I don't know which was always because often I go to these prints everybody. Anyway. Special because I don't know a lot of the people that I think already attending just right? And I thank you for taking some time with us today. Tell us all about it and all the best event, and I'll see you in a couple of months. See you to rid excited? Thank you for coming. Thank you for having me. And there is the wellness collective events. Thank you very much to Niamey Chatterly for sitting down and telling us about the event like you heard I will be at the event myself participating in one of these hotseat symposiums, which I'm pretty excited about because I've never actually participated in something like that at a conference at an event, it's something quite honestly that I tended to quite a bit of especially recently. A lot of people have kind of reached out to me asking for my opinion on mind vice on their product with the service or the business and in a way of kind of been doing that hot seat symposium stuff myself. In fact, some people said, you know, let's recorded and stick it on the podcast on the show could make for interesting listening. So we might do that in the future too. But let's say that discussion for another day showy as always I do truly truly appreciate you giving me just a few moments of your valuable precious time that is p. Moments. This we actually because it was a bit of a long episode. And as always we will be back again same time same channel next week. And until then you have a fantastic week ahead now.

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Visions in the Flames 2021 Part 11: ASOIAF TMG Updated Targaryen Tactics Cards and Khal Drogo Commander revealed!

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Visions in the Flames 2021 Part 11: ASOIAF TMG Updated Targaryen Tactics Cards and Khal Drogo Commander revealed!

"Hey it's chase him on the table gaming and welcome back to another episode of the podcast and this week we'll be looking at the vision. The flame article eleven focusing on the house targulian forces as always worth thanks to be joined by game designer michael chanel and special thanks to all of our patriot supporters. Who make this podcast possible. Be sure to head on over the newly formed on the table gaming facebook group. Share your hobby pictures. Talk board games card games and tabletop wargames and generally help us build a positive community. But that being said let's jump on talking about the mighty target enforces as previewed in the twenty twenty one. Update all right. Well michael thank you so much for coming back on and we get to talk about targe arians this week but before we do that. Let's take a look at some of the images that people submitted on the facebook page of their painted neutrals which our topic of last week where there any there that caught your eye. There were two artists specifically who stuff i really liked the threat word Talented wednesday over there are two definitely data me. I will being the flame by grant stacey although fantastic. Yeah the other one. Caught my attention heroes. We had the unit of bloody skirmishes. Here done by darren calvert. He also had a great blogger unit. Did you happen to see the one one by stephen basler. It was a a beautifully painted set of flayed men with an interesting shirt behind. It didn't notice any sure could yes. I did notice the the they are perhaps one of my favorite like aesthetic units in the game so they drew your attention to them. There were so beautiful man. Okay fee lou. Tremblay had a unit of bastards at looked beautiful. A bunch of dogs and some snow on there. So thank you guys so much for submitting and for next week we'll have a challenge for submitting some of your images then as well for the designer developer to take a look at and With that being said let's let's jump in here and start talking about the main focus here being the target so we got a pretty pretty amazing article here. Tournaments look if you really strong. So with house star. Garrisons diversity is kind of one of their strengths. Can you elaborate. On their diversity of the wide range of people they bring together is being addressed and cuts down in this twenty twenty one update when it comes to the The syrians. Like they're you said diversity and that's true and just a number of ways. Because so as i touched upon in the article you have like the great houses of west coast. And despite the fact they're made up of different liege lords different Houses and everything. They kind of function as like their own mini country. but they haven't ideology about the starks. They represent the northerners. So you know even if it's not like you know they don't necessarily follow those the king in the north they. They follow the northern traditions in some capacity numbers car. Starks reads a proper starks. They're all part of the door. Lancaster's are a bit more hajjaj but into the day. Their forces are coming driven by money and the fact that they're like the southerners and everything like that. Dorothy you have the storm. Landers dragon stone. They they all have a culture to when it comes to like house derian generis though is she basically just hodge podge of people that have under her banner for one reason or another. Whether they're from there west rosie loyalists whether there sos like sell swords or just the people that she is free or people who are just you know basically have anywhere else to go. She's kind of attracted all the other the other kind of the lost in the vagrant of the world under her better and so we see in the updated taxes cards that there is a kind of a universal incoming honor and a lot actually seems to do with a movement and maneuvering we kind of how that first cluster that you talk about overrun sudden retreat. Swift position how do you see this kind of playing into the target and identity. Or why is it so important to their troops that they have with. Some ability is a key element of regardless of which Commander choosing in the target area. And that's one of the core. Themes of their fashion exists in areas started with rocky and she's basically amassing this big army to go and set sail across the sea to back to west rose to reclaim her throne. That she thinks she's entitled to say that kind of mobility aspect of you have to nurse who is basically like kind of traveling around the world sort of release pulling attention from around the world that was like where that seema maneuverability and whatnot came with and also heavily influenced by the fact that the majority of early forces are based on the roxie so lots of cavalry but that is one of the core themes to the target is that mobility aspects so almost regardless of which commander you're taking you're going to have some battlefield control kind of shenanigans. That's actually a better way. I think putting it rather than distractibility is more battlefield control via position that makes sense and and she's got some although maybe a danny may not be the most seasoned warrior. She does certainly have many people who are experienced in the ways of battle and in maneuvering themselves on the battlefield. The other tactics that go with that. So we see cars like overrun sudden retreat. Swift reposition so lots of tweaks there and in some cases even replacing older cards out of those three which of those kind of stands out you the most as one of your favorite tactics cards. Well i know that fabio's like favorite card in the entire game is overrun. Which by the way chase. If you've seen him point you just let me know. He's kind of been missing for quite awhile presumed dead but we might have to get a new one but anyway point is overrun momentum swing card. You know you're able to get the assault in destroy unit and then carry that over into another one now this. This is a toned down version from what it was in the at one point six versions. Because as you see it doesn't allow the pitted beforehand. So does require additional setup. But that's again kind of plays with journal toning down of most tactics cards anytime. The buffs daybreak free actions are a bit rare. And you have to do a little more. And that's w so charges because charges by their nature. Already one of those impactful things that can happen entire game absolutely and so we kind of have those three clump together as sort of your movement and maneuver zone dependent cards or they have kickers that might benefit from that. Then we start to get down into some of the really more flavorful ones fury. The dragon for example is gone but now we have field control. You never wanna face a target area in hoard on an open field and they certainly seen to control the field with this card since they actually have some interplay now with nc us right where when an issue claims the maneuvers zone in this case are field control. If the nc was friendly you made a place that zones effect with a friendly combat unit performs one maneuver retreat action. With plus one movement and the enemy it disengages from becomes weekend. However you can play this any. Nc you claims his own attacks not just your own. It can be reactive in that regard as well if the nc was your enemy you now get to force your opponent's replace that zones effect with one friendly combat unit becomes weakened and they may shift three inches. So you actually get to weaken opponent. And then maybe they get as a drawback they can. They can move their unit. You know three inches away or reposition a little bit. What's the thought behind that card. What does that kind of capturing so in this one here. The maneuvers zone is paramount to the core death and this is basically giving you a little advantage here to punish the opponent for taking the zone. That really really matters to you now. One thing here. I can foresee this when that some people probably play this song and the important rule here remember that friendly. It is always referencing like the player with the effect. Because i can see some people go. Oh i get to pick. What am i guy or my guys. And they're gonna get to shift. Can we get know. This is the opponents choosing one of their guys. they're becoming weekends. They're getting to shift so effectively. They're getting still targeted by the maneuvers. And which would usually grant them a free maneuver or retreat a here. It's now much drastically weaker effect on at the week a token right. Yeah so it's the when it's the ncaa opponents playing the turn so they would be the one reading that text on the zone right something that we can. I can see typically some people gang shipped over but member friendly always reference to who the effect is talking about and then we have some really cool ones. With like unstoppable advance. Where now the way that works is it doesn't only ignore dangerous. Hindering the rough keywords but you also destroy any terrain with the destructible keyword that has moved through or ended within one inch of also give a bonus to search fourth if necessary as well so we started to see a lot more interplay with terrain here. Yeah that's actually probably one of my favorite like newer cards. Just because the reasons you mentioned with the interplay whiff terrain because the setting up the battlefield is more and if you have a battlefield kind of control army then that can be a big tamper for you. And especially if cavalry yes. They're maneuverable but the right piece of can really shut them down but here okay. So now you got something to go against. You got your spike walls up or something. And they don't care. Does care unstoppable out of all these ones. We see kind of some change slightly to things like fire and blood so you still get your choices. But now there's three choices to choose from and if you control the maneuver zone you get to choose to instead. You know you can really you. Can you know the extra choices are always appreciated. But now especially with uniroyal any charge distance. Die turn you can basically kind of guarantee you're going to get that charge off like as a sure thing. Well there's never any sure things. But this is another element of kind of the mobility. And again i keep saying it. Over and over the battlefields control elements. So you've got one said help you give you extra legal movement tricks like overrun or sudden. Retrieve wants that help shape the battlefield which consider like swift reposition in that category you got field control and then you have the ones that are going to give you some additional bonuses for charging which is again another form of around and that's what this falls into and then just go into the status cars this this last one here blood of the dragon so starving turn you can target one friendly combat unit attached to them so a cool car attach effect when a friendly unit is destroyed. Place one order token on this card. While this card as a token the attached melee attacks game plus one die and this unit suffers negative one wound from failing hanoch tests. So this is a really cool card in that. It seems like the as you start to lose your troops and your troops are a little bit more pricey in some cases for targeted ads. You can actually have that be benefiting remaining troops and that may be a you know. Now that they're bloodied and ready to for for for for that hunt. They can do additional damage. Yes so look to her of they've developed this reputation as being a very elite faction based on the units that were available at the time of. Well i guess even the time this recording which is true. They do have a lot of expensive options but there are some cheaper options on the horizon. That will be coming out shortly in q one q two this year. Then you know are going to just give them some more options that you have. So as i've said in the article you know you're going to be able to take your league is making even more elite via this card or take some of your weaker kind of shave guys and give them a little bit of a boost because i intact i is a rare effect have and just static just having it around a super nice and the miners went from failing. Penny test is a fairly substantial boost in sustained because since panic is reduced to three. This is effectively. Cutting your wounds here by thirty two percent giving you the capability here also suffering no wounds from failing panicked fantastic so i mean the basic deck here is a pretty amazing obviously right now like thinking in the context of god doth raqi hoard. All this stuff looks fantastic and really fun to play with however as you show in this article it seems the tar guarantee aren't really not just about their base tactics stack of course but the commanders and their influence on the tax that are being used is kind of one of the bigger deals about target aaron right now so their commanders come with four tactics cards instead of the standard three and then it replaces a tactic card in the main deck. Now you showed us called rogo here Before we jump into him and his tactics cards replaces one of the base taxes. Cards with one of his special cards. Does every commander replace a different card or like do they always replace the same target card in the main deck. No they all have a car that they replace specifically there are some that replaced the same guard. But it's not like every single time this is going to replace otherwise it would just be. A filler is reflective of their personalities. So cal drago here you know. He replaces a sudden retreat mainly because of his great cal. Don't retreat tactically. He's busy kill him. Tactical repositioning the other direction. It's just You know and just to give some like. I guess some additional spoilers and going memory but i believe there's since me who favor character in the setting i believe he actually replaces overrun because being the more of a tank slash bunker style. Commander that one is key gets rid of that one. Because it's a little blassie kind of aggressive for his place so he switches that out for one of his personal cards. I'm not gonna. I'm definitely hank aaron. Fm breath on him though man. He's one of my favorite characters. Do a the refocus on commanders. They all have their own unique. Play style and the car that they were places of the card that they replaced was specifically chosen to be reflective of not only their territory but also the tactics game mechanics of the range the table and cows himself. He's a substantial change as well. He's got expert dualist. Now where each time he performs a melee attack. You get to choose either doing additional wound or to target one infantry unit in the defenders unit and roll a dye three plus you destroy attachment. That's fantastic and he's got iron resolve getting a bonus to hispanic tests and suffering less wounds unit. And you've also got your blood of the dragon on him. That's a pretty non schedule unit. Oh yeah it's he can absolutely make his unit just this juggernaut on the battle which is a good because to compensate for that is a low dose raqi units that you would put him in. They don't necessarily have the best like defensive stats out. There could always do something just sticking placement for example you want a really big tank units but then you're going to get some you know cost up there you know. It's still a good option. The thing about cal drago here is that he actually received an unintentional reworking. His kit that he previously had worked really well and it was fine. It's just that because the changes to everything else. He had to be redesigned because he had too much. Overlap with the way we agree designed other units and tactics hearts. This was kind of one of those situations where it's like you know. He wasn't changed because we felt he was overpowered underpowered. Anything like that. He was this changed really came about as a byproduct of other little ripple effect changes. That's something that can have and he's gotta be a great khali. Kansas fbi given out a vulnerable in the charge. Like some some chump screamer. Something he's he's he's gotta be the great one We did push him in the direction of his one of those categories of battlefield commander where he his unit is going to be like one of those stars. The battlefield showcased a lot of these. But that's because a lot of the fan favorite character arc just this type of personality. You know what we have jamie lancaster. One of the barassie guys. I forget which one cal- drago here like. Oh these are. These are effectively battlefield. Rockstars okay there on the battlefield. It's a big deal you know versus like tyrian lancaster. You know if you see him on the battlefield. No one's gonna sit there and go like warrior tyrian landis taken to the battlefield with his acts. No they're going to underestimate him and go like oh. The half man is over there. It's not going to draw the same type of attention that jamie lancaster is. You know taking the vanguard here. Okay we need to be worried and then there was a disclaimer in your article. And i just wanted the opportunity here to apologize. that you You basically ruined The books for some people here by revealing that calderaro go Maybe dead so You know i'm really sorry to fortunately oklahoma and gets some. You're that guy. I see how it is that we walk into the movies. And like oh. Yeah titanic the boat sinks jeep. Thanks nice guys. I really can't believe that can walker is darth. Vader hasn't the christ. You won't believe well anyhow moving so You know we've got this caldo. Character looks awesome. He's got four cards now so ride by attack we see that moving to auto wounds instead of resolving charge attack any thoughts behind why that change occurred a lot of changes on this car here. We're just a streamlined. Things and frankly the full attack action was had the potential to snowball earth than we wanted it to here. While this straight wounds it is toned down much more compared to what it was. Because here you're going to cap out at like four wounds and that's assuming that you're engaged like a full rank infantry unit so you be able to clear off one of the reins and march through them. That's really the kind of the bigger aspect of this car. Is the reposition allowing you to crash into an enemy's frontline and then later pushed through their line. Actually getting their rear in their flex. I'm looking forward to you. Bus went out and your rematch with fabio at some point here with a great column and twenty two twenty twenty one version as i said he's strangely enough and coincidentally gone. He's probably somewhere like training in the mountains. Like a lifting logs and pushing. Trays administers back and forth with a montage. Go in the background. But yeah that's that's that's what's out far beyond the wall. Perhaps so what about assault orders. Here you get to replace an zone with another combat uniforms attack. Action or kaldor gets a charge action. That's kind of his replacement card for the base deck. And so that. What kind of flavor does that bring for him as a character. And how do you see that kind of like solidifying that identity. So one thing i actually do one st and this is something that even myself. I kind of have a mental schism about. Is that the card that is being replaced in the deck. This is just a common thing that it's you look at the car that is is replacing and the card that is being replaced. And you start trying to compare them against each other but that's that's doesn't actually how that works because like the card that's being replaced. It doesn't actually have any difference like you're you're taking these four carts and you're replacing one of these other seven cards and i'll be honest. The reason governor places probably because it had less text on the card than the others. Okay that's good reference though for us to understand so it's not about being like this is his special card is just that he has four cars and this happens to be the one that replaces one in the back and i will admit that is something that even myself like when we were laying out the cards and designing them. We'd like okay. Well like you know. Dragos card is obviously adalat. So that's a win that we used to replace something in the deck. But then you're like there's way too much sex carts actually in line and then you come back like. There's no reason it has to be that card. You're still replacing the cards out. Just this one doesn't like it. It's a purely like a bit of a mental like fluff thing and it's strange. Because i still do it but it was actually fabio. The pointed out of like what is the car that's being switched out matter because we're just taking one card out and putting it for you're right from from every perspective. It doesn't actually matter. Which card has the text of removing car knows or his last words that as fabio confirm or deny that or anything but yeah so a fun fact. They're and. That's that's something that i i see happening a lot. People are like analyzing the commandments. Is they're going to get into like a conversation about like well. Assault orders is replacing sudden retreats. And you'll are those cards like you're losing this one in favor of the other one. It's like that's not actually true. Though you're you're not that's not a one. If that was those are the only cards are being replaced. Then that would be one thing but the fact that this is four commander tactics cards. That's being added to the deck and just one is being taken out and yeah it's it's just. It's a weird mental. Thanks i even now. I'm explaining to you and it still doesn't let them still like that's not true. Yes it is. I mean out of his ri- by attack assault order lead by example which is so cool as well. Assault orders odd. That really that kind of the king of kings car there. That one. I think if i had to pick one it seems like it'd be the most called rogue and you already mentioned him and this card but so this is of just like talking about changing the way we think of the game or maybe a special way you play the game though. When calderaro goes unit activates he gets to pick an enemy and long range and for the round. This card gets task for the entire round when your other doth raqi forces or really any target enforces attack that unit. They gained critical blo. And if they kill it you get a victory point if at the end of the round that car's been removed that he's not been destroyed. Your opponent gains that victory point. So there's like a little bit of a super high risk reward or if you kinda chicken out don't play soccer friendly turn you can discard it and draw at attack discard but wow this really opens up a lot of these scenarios game. Plan that you can you can steal. Some victory. points offer unsuspecting unprepared opponent so yeah. This is an element that you'll actually see in some of the commander tactics cards. It's not true of every commander in Syrians but a lot of them is that one of their cards is going to give you additional methods of generating victory points in exchange for some criteria but if that criteria is not met or the universe that happens your opponent potentially get those points from instead and so here of like hell drago. You have one. He's declared a unit like we're gonna kill those guys and destroy them. You get additional victory if you don't however though and they managed to survive that onslaught until the end of the round then your opponent gets the victory point because basically your tire army just cultural go yell out yellow kill command and then no one was able to sold so you know. Everyone's just now demoralized and like man. That's not good. You gotta always watch for that now you get. You can't let you can't sleep on calderaro you gotta pay attention to where he is. You got a unit get low and within long you gotta you gotta be watching out and again these effects can not every targeting commander has no effect like this but most of them do like giora is the other commander that my mind his car that he has his betrayal and that one is when a when a claims zone you can replace the phones affect with oh chase you sly dog. You almost company giving more spoilers. Valentines days combine. Think of i here. Yes sorry sir friends and we'll have to wait for his full reveal. I guess we'll we'll see so many other hidden traps can be set here. But i think that's a cool card and the fun thing about it is. I think i'm interested to see people's initial reactions. Because i think we're going to be like. Oh it's like overpower or oh it's underpowered. It's gonna be a lot of debate. I think because You know if you know your opponent has discard. You're playing into cal rogo. So now you can start to bait situations where maybe cow go you. Activated unit and cow drago drops it on it and now you can protect that unit with other tactics cards or other things that maybe let you re position out of the way and kind of trick your opponent into giving up a victory point if they play poorly so to be a good cal. Drago commander you gotta really know how to fight and how to make sure that your troops are able to get in position to capitalize on like that. I think that's really really cool. Okay i kind of feel a little bad about like not revealing the whole betrayal tax base. That was that was a tease there. That was a little bit of an unjust teas. And then you go like. Oh it's valentine's day fuel others like this'll tinge in my chest your feelings. I don't i don't like so anyway. I guess i will one the effects there. I'll talk about is based in selma's card because let's talk about character that's actually you know cool right. Ooh yeah i'm sure there's some yards the george burns out fans out there that were just like immediately furiously typing on the keyboard siemian. But i'm not sure that giora fan base is quite as large as some of the other fan bases. So i think will be good for on this one just this okay. So i i. We'll go ahead and give this a on the table exclusively here. A burst insult me. One of his cards legendary boldness. Now as i mentioned before bear soon as you're kind of bunker slashed kind of tankeea commander and so. His card here is started around target berson. Samis unit attached to them until the end of the route again. Another guy who is focusing on himself like he's a legendary figure on the battlefield really cool cleans dragging armor anyway while attached a win the unit passes the panicked all enemies. Range become pants. You're getting listen media buffs man but if his unit is destroyed that round your opponents gaining additional victory points but if he manages to make it to the end of the round and is engaged the new score victory points. Oh man this is a prime card for like you know if you're on an objective and you play this down like burston his legendary boldness. It's going on his unit now. Of course it has to target him and just basically like this is the legendary barest and sell me. Formerly of the king's guard now the cleans guard advisor to the dragon. He's yelling at me bros. Because that's obviously that's that's that's the of yeah and the new one coming out. Now you're gonna go after if he wants and if he does he's worth extra victory points but if he fails to destroy him and then the round happens embarrassed and is engaged. Then you get the extra victory. Point is also has the inverse effect where it might cause opponents to want to get away from you. Because they're like oh man. I can't take his unit down because he's bunkered up at a Leader something let me retreat out of combat here to steal away. That like gloria that he has you know so he doesn't get rallying affect on his troops and get that extra victory glassman adds a whole new dimension to the game at two things you want to watch out for so you had to play the scenario the gonna play the target and commander because each one of these guys comes in with like their own. Little quirk you gotta be ready for as really gonna make a fascinating too in like two l'est formats and how you build and pair certain commanders and maybe you do want like a cow drago and embarrassed in going together as your forces over maybe a giora or even maybe a denarius targeted and because they might like synergy is better with your your kind of flex option here when you get on the table. Format is definitely going to be interesting with us targeting specifically given the diversity that they have access to man that's fantastic. Let's talk about some of these cooler units that we've got here then too so you made some well. Maybe we'll start off. A screamers will work our way up in order of seniority. I guess we'll go. We'll get ourselves these veterans at the end here so starting distract screamers so we see some baseline changes them so now they have a furious charge so enemies successfully charged by this unit become vulnerable we also see an increase in their morale. These guys are great. And i think you know they're still pretty pretty good unit for a a six point unit here and It looks like you're going to be a lot of synergies with attack discards. I can already see myself kind of burning through a lot of cards from colorado or the base tiger intact tactics kind of up there dams or keep them being really potent. Your starter set is kind of your bread and butter unit that you're gonna be having in your force if you're starting out especially so you added a furious charge here and these guys already have a three plus hit what was kind of the thought behind that so when you look at these guys in the new twenty twenty one kind of i don't wanna say meta because it has even come out yet but being six points. They already have their calorie. So they're gang the extra maneuverability based on that. And they're also very fast cavalry at six speed. In addition they've got a very impressive morale of five plus their defenses. They're weak point at a only a five plus if you look at what they have for six points. You're bringing a three plus two hit which does carry a lot of weight especially moving into twenty one. You have a very fast speed here of being companies from cavalry and this the national speed six and then you have the ability to really hit hard in the charge given vulnerable now voter will just gonna make the damage deal more almost a predictable more consistent because you're still capping out at seven dice here at full with re roles for the chargers on three plus you're probably led a lot of hits but other than that they don't have any special keywords or anything going with them and so you know you're basically just relying on your bonuses or rear bonuses relying on the positioning come through. But he's guys will still kind of suffer against some of the more. Let's tougher units like your lancaster guardsmen or really anything rocking out at three plus defense even hitting them in the flanks. Your actual damages going to be a little bit a little bit low because of the lack of keywords unless you throws attachments ipad him so furious is going to let you use that speed to your advantage now with the the rocky here specifically they don't wanna get bogged down in combat. That's where they're gonna search suffering unless you build around that via some of their attachment options such as the screamer co gives you marshal training which allows you to basically consistently keep putting down vulnerable for those prolonged engagement. So being able to synergies out your unit here okay. I'm up against a grind. The army rathi hitting them hard. I don't really have to worry about hitting them first. 'cause i know him that already fashion them. Let's start getting stuck in combat now. I've got to start planning around that. This be those options there and also at six points we got the death raqi outriders and they've seen significant changes as well i off talking about the stat changes so now. They're outright or bow can not only shoot at short range. But if they don't perform the maneuver they can shoot long reigns now. It can kind of see them kind of perform a more versatile role at the cost of losing nimble rights. They're of up there on the flanks much harassing although they certainly could be they can kind of reach out and touch their opponents at a greater range. Now they've also gained a melee attack with their outriders blade. They've got a little bit more arm a little bit more morale. What was thought between giving them a long range attack. While so as you can see these guys are the flip side of the coin. The screamers screamers wanna get into malay. They wanna know that's where they're happiest. Outriders want to avoid that really at all costs kind of makes sense that you gave vulnerable now to the screamers right. Because that's like they're really. They're specialized into that now. Yeah they're going to shake up. The opponent screamers they it's a bunch of doth rocky bloodthirsty horse lords charging you. You're going to be a little vulnerable from the outriders. Here can kind of hanging back. A plinking and softening up your targets for the rest of your units. And also they're good objective campers because yes they're cavalry the only of two ranks but they can get those like you know. Those flank objectives are the ones that no one else really paying attention to and still have a long range because you can switch their bows onto long range which is usually a place that yo- objective camping is not something you want your cavalry to be doing. Usually because you're wasting the mobility that you're getting cavalry but here the outriders. It's not so bad because okay. You're basically trading your ability to be cavalry to turn into long-range archers. Yeah the other thing. I was wondering about this. And i don't know you can speak to this but on the old card for the The one point five addition Nimble you had the short bow. There's not a lot of room left on that card. And now you have that the the range icon moved over there. And i think we might see this a little bit more clearly with the Veteran did you ever that in changing the design of cards that sometimes that your ability to design units are those everett all linked. Well it was actually initially a design thing that we did way back in the game was that we wanted so that units only ever had a maximum of three abilities and that was not necessarily a hard rule but that was one of those ninety nine percent times. This is the rule that needs to be followed. They're the exceptions. The reason being is because it gave us a limitation that he never wanted to have a unit that you just dumped a bunch of specials on. Because i do feel that. That's kind of one of those on. Trappings that comes from design. Development is like you have a bunch of cool ideas for unit and the newest piled on piled on it eventually. Just gonna blow up units. I've i've made skirmish games in the past. Where like that's the place for that where you have a character that might have like five to ten different special rules and everything but for units in this type of wargame everything that was not the type of game we want this to be so that the space was actually a purposely built in design limitation. Now that did kind of come back to buy this event when with the having the long and short range like markers over there is effectively that eight up one of those ability slots jain air quotes. That might just be taken up by the fact that you have to declare a range for the for for ranged attacks. So let's say you wanted to have arranged guy who had three abilities are overly cool. Well you need to be able to mark somewhere on there. That's long or short range. We don't then okay. Now that have to abilities or is ranges needs to have the ability so yes in that shift moving the icon over. We did gain some space there to technically put more abilities on there but that doesn't necessarily mean we should or going to it. Just the option is they're fantastic. And i think moving on now not to the veterans. I'm saving those for last. Those are kinda the all-star unit to me right now but let's talk about these doth rocky her cars now. You can only have two of these in your army and you kind of reveal these. at times. They had been teased before. But now we see them in all their glory here and You had once referred to them as guided missiles. Tell me a little bit more about this unit that still pretty much their role This is one of the things we showed this. Jeez i think we just the original semen expo in may of two thousand one so i wanna say that's when we did it. I know it was back when back when the world was still much more In person than it is now. But i it just man. It's back of last year. That's that's how much things were affected by. The world state was that these guys didn't even get to see their full release before they got updated for the twenty twenty one cents a because of like yoga and all those things there. But let's talk about that. Let's talk about what we have here. So this is one of your cheap options that you have here for careers in general. Any of these guys are basically just a guided cruise. Missile you can. You've got two ways of deploying them you can stick them normally as you would if you want a cheap five on unit gets an extra activation and deal some pretty significant damage with very little sustained though or you can use outflank Which again is putting more importance on maneuvers zone and allowing these guys to come in and hit something from the flanks and that is just a devastating hit. Because you're gonna hit him with vicious six is hitting on three plus and then of course the flink which will be minus one to their defense but then a further mine is went out tests so that this is going to instead turn into a minus. Three in this is ignoring the fact that like okay so you crashed into the side of the unit. They're probably gonna be in prime position to get your other effects off such as like overrun any of those. So this this unit can put a lot of work. Yeah they look terrifying and this is gonna be one that i'm excited to see on the table limited to two so. Is this going to be like a standard kind of war machines or you buy it and there's like two in a box. Oh fantastic okay. So it's a it's a super that's like one of your like must buys then right because you you buy one box you got your max cap and you can start building lists around it. That's that's fantastic. Lots i know like who are mostly excited for the cars. But i think the veterans to me. I'm just like wow so. These are now eight points a down from ten. They've got a little bit more. They lost a bit of armor and a little bit of dice on their malay but swift. Retreat is on them natively and they've got this order. Quickfire these guys are are beasts. These are true like you know this is. What a veteran does it looks like. Now these guys that are scary nightmares units. What's going on here. Why why all these we spoke about this in previous just generic visions articles. But you start getting units into the nine ten point category. They really really have to start putting it a lot of work in order to justify being basically to activation worth of of your army totals and that's before even factoring attachments like pinpoint point. The odds of me putting any form of attachment in there is just gonna be almost zero. Unless it's like a commander something let's say you put you put two point attachment into a ten point unit. That's twelve points that means something has to put in the work of two six units. Oh that unit has to be just a from a balanced perspective it has to do so much to counteract that that that's just it's it's not going to be balanced or at least if it is it's going to present a lot of problems so a lot of the things that were in that kind of point category have been toned down. They're not entirely gone. But they are much rarer to see anything in that in that area. Eight points is kind of. That's already on the higher end of what you'll see and so in general here you know. The the veterans received will toned down just like everything else was with the twenty twenty one updates. So you know. The dice kept taken down there. Straight up damage. Potential got reduced down in bed because before they had charging volley where they could make a range attack in charge in. You'll see more that's became much more limited and their role kind of changed around this. We're now they're much more of a kind of jack of all trades can adapt to whatever battlefield position. They need to type unit where they've got built in swift retreat wings. Don't burn that card from your tactics to for these ask us. They've got quickfire. So you've got all kinds of synergies with their actual maneuver here. So you don just naturally looking in you got two combinations of cavalry and swift retreats. Their boat doesn't have any special keywords or anything but given the just extreme maneuverability of these guys have you're gonna hit some in the flakes so you already factoring in the minus one to a defense in morale right there but so here you know this is a points. It's a very large investments in your arm. Even then you're talking about these guys have to put out the same work as a her car unit in a four point in to you senior. They need to be scary. They need to you get work done. And you know that that's basically where we're sitting at now. Imagine if you were looking at nine or ten point units that situation as moore's aspirated because of what you're dealing. Yeah also. These guys are now of great bunker for cultural. Yes i was just going to get to that. And that's so great to right because that fits and these guys have it all. These guys are skillful fighters and you can see that in the abilities. They have like these are people that have seen some stuff. They know how to fight. And that doesn't make them like incredibly tough per se like they only got five plus armor but they can maneuver on and they can. They can bring the hurt. I just think that captures that. That veteran abilities the veteran identity so well These are like incredibly beastly so You know big fan of how this units looking. I'm excited try. This went out on the table and that brings us through all the units the tactics cards. You know this is just kind of a priego. You see in the starbucks starbucks plus the three hogar but this stuff looks fantastic. Really interesting opening up target play. And i think what's cool now if you are a target player and if you're listening to this episode and you're kind of creating with trepidation for what's to come. You got a preview here. But that means things like the heroes box your other commanders. There's going to be a lot of other surprises coming down the line and a lot of other ways to play the faction. Even just hearing you talk about that barest and sell me a spoiler. You know that's a whole nother way of playing at so thematic some fun and so you might love the the play style of targe aaron's and in that are in that this faction there are like different sub styles of play different ways you can maximize units to get like a very different feel on the table itself and i think that's a really compelling. Yeah i feel that you know again. There's going to be a character for everyone in the In the target most other factions. You know they usually attract a certain type of mentality based on the factions. But i do target area and said you can. Everyone's gonna be able to find someone in there that they're like a man that character. I don't care about any of the others. The they're really cool so we're going to wrap things up here. Thank you so for tuning in and tune in next week as we continue to explore the vision of flames. And who knows what might be on the horizon. Michael right i know you know and you know chase you know nothing all right all right right and hopefully maybe maybe five will find his way back to us. Bobi look at everyone sees him hashtag fabio. We missed a man and thanks for listening and on the facebook page where we post this. Be sure to drop your painted units of your garin miniatures. So we can comment on modern next episode. And the meantime we'll because your ministers on the table not.

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EPISODE 370 - MGA KWENTONG PAMAHIIN AT IBA PANG KWENTONG KATATAKUTAN AT KABABALAGHAN

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EPISODE 370 - MGA KWENTONG PAMAHIIN AT IBA PANG KWENTONG KATATAKUTAN AT KABABALAGHAN

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Biracial Unicorns Do Exist

Women Who Sarcast

42:22 min | 4 months ago

Biracial Unicorns Do Exist

"Welcome to you women who sarcastic baron. My guest today are the host of biracial unicorns. Podcast and not only do they. Shed light on issues of race gender in pop culture in a way that is healthy respectful and honest and big geeky. They also put you to work with monthly toolkits. So you can educate yourself and those around you. Please give a warm sarcastic. Welcome to danny and emeka i. This is not on youtube. You have to say something. Great to have you is here. Thanks for being on the show. I wanna say thank you for being here and i'm honored and delighted that you're here because you guys have educate me because i've listened to many of your podcasts and your minnie's odes in the regular tool kits and i just want to thank you for Putting shit out there and having the conversations that a lot of people don't wanna have but need to have and You give me the different perspective on situations and issues. So i appreciate that that you're educate an old old fart here and i appreciate your wisdom in your perspective in your honesty so the d'amico so this is my voice. I really appreciate that. I think kathy what you do so well. You are so to advocate for women and the advocate for women in this media. Like i said you were just. You're so you're a massive cheerleader. You're promoter in. it's very sincere. I think we talked about it last time we were able to get together for your magazine describing that you were featured in yes that we have to. We have to be for each other especially in this podcast andrea. Yeah yes and as women in general in world so thank you. Thank you for your kind words. We i mean we we do the work anyway. So we're happy to put the work that we're doing out into the world and hopefully it's kind of this ripple effect. Yeah oh i think you're rippling. You're definitely having that effect on people. So thank you. And i just. I'm just it's like. There's a lot that you guys do and from. What danny said is like you're already doing it. It's like how do you like take a breath and self care and does it get too much sometimes. And how do you do that without using the word balance because balance you know. Yeah yeah what is balanced. Yeah i think it's a continual struggle but it's just like a continual learning saying that we're both kind of actively working at I myself a huge workaholic. So i'm still constantly trying to figure out what that balance is like i love. I'm very project driven. So i like love to add a new project in it can be a lot But i think just doing the show and talking about these things and we do talk about That aspect of of self care ally has really pushed me to try to find find something. That's more sustainable right. Because you don't want to be burning yourself out Yeah it's a continual process right. I mean social justice. Work i always say is not something you check in and check out of a leveling degree of what it's at. I mean it's so funny. My my husband will say even watching a movie. You're always on just enjoy it. And i'm like well. I can't if i see some systemic garbage. Yeah it's it's like. Danny said of practicing what we preach in this we were. They want to make sure that we have unicorns are co conspirators. Remember that we are first and foremost people and that is why we're putting this out there so that we can have a better quality of life but what good is it to go towards a better quality of life of you are burnt out if you are mentally stressed if your body is Giving out on you you know there is. There has to come a point to wear to me. It's like levels. At what level am i at right now. I can never really turn it off there so much work to do as a woman of color. I don't get to escape. I don't get to turn it off. But i have levels of safety people. Were feel safe where it's like levels of donor ability right now. I can't be vulnerable. I have to be on it. We have to study. I have to be driven to be very focused but like with david. I talked before hinder. After my i can be vulnerable can be tired. I can say don't have figured out. And that is a form of self care so you know learning to be vulnerable and inviting safe places to be myself is been really helpful. That's a self care. Yeah and and remembering that lake at the end of the day. The only thing you can control is yourself so even though a lot of our work is focused on the out like educating the public and trying to to enact systemic changes much as we're able to the end of the day. I can only control myself so i sing recognizing that and living with that. It's been a huge form of self care for me. Yeah that's good yeah. You can't really control what other people do or don't do and are you able to see like your reward happening with the work that you're doing. Are you seeing it. Come back or anything changing. You know. i think the biggest thing and we've talked about this before with each other That we have seen that has made the biggest difference to us and has been inspiration to keep the show going just finding so many people who are impacted by our work so we've had a lot of people right in Or let us know what they think the show and how they feel seen. What the work that we're doing and so for me that has been at least in terms of the show The biggest kind of impact. That i've seen Anything else you think you know. I agree when we have unicorns that. Say we talk about it. That we're not a monolith that people aren't racist in mixed them they're such a range but the fact that we can have common ground silk in in a question or an experience whether it's hair texture or singled out or do you trying to balance between two worlds. That's all you have to say. And we have this bond and community. But i think for me what has been a surprise. I didn't expect it to be such as you put a kathy. A reward is seeing our white allies and co-conspirators. Sharing our stuff to me because the thing we talked about it before i don't have to convince another mix person or another woman of color about the life. We'll get to convince her. There live in it so yeah exactly but it is her white co worker that she might have listened to the show. It's her grandmother. Is her white boyfriend. It is her girlfriend like it is fair. Is those people in their life or people in my life who have positions of power influence. I do not. And when i see the engaging reading a book sharing toolkit re re tweeting or posting something we did or said that what. This was such a helpful material girl it like that. I did not expect it to be so rewarding for lack of a better word or feeling like okay. The the work is going forward. We are making progress. One person one ally at a time because those are the those are the people like. They're the ones right. Yeah so this is probably one of the most important questions. I'm going to ask today what's going on with. Trevor noah loved his tower and his tau his this tower ivory tower where we can't reach him. I know i know at the studio. Maybe maybe next time he gets a line up. I'll be like come on now. we do. We have this ongoing joke about. Trevor noah because i think very early on in the show We just talked about him as an example of a mixed person who's most everyone knows At this point and so it just has become a a recurring thing in our show. Travel our good friend right. I thought since we mentioned it in the magazine that it would kind of get some foothold some traction but no no no. We've if we get people to write in everyone. Sorry no go at him. Yeah we'll keep getting on at him and breaking them down slowly. Unicorns are waiting so you did mention the toolkit and that the allies are definitely spreading the word about them. I really like them. What is your goal with the toolkits. And how can listeners utilize them so that it makes the most impact. I think our ultimate goal is to be able to like a tool right. You don't carry all your tools with you at all times right the place where you keep the more need them you go get them and i think a lot of people when trying to deal with issues of social justice sometimes especially in a moment of conversation like no. I don't feel confident What do i have to say but having that tool get. I have something for this I can't speak for denting i. We don't like to speak on things that we don't have an experience in but you know what there's this toolkit where there's a book there's a movie. There's an action. I love to have this discussion question for you. So it's not about you having all the answers you being able to say all the right things but being able to utilize train yourself how to be actively doing the work because we say it all the time but we taking the vagueness out of it. This is what it was like to do the work. You read you research. You discuss yourself out there. That's what we mean by that and having just this baseline tool of were. It's a really great place to start or and we found helpful. Yeah what do you think danny. Yeah exactly. I would agree with all of that. I think that my my background is in education. And i think you see like this idea of toolkit a lot in the education world so the idea is there's there's this group of resources and you can kind of pick and choose and just because you're picking picking and choosing today doesn't mean you're limited to only those things and you can always come back and always revisit and pick different tools And i think the beauty of the toolkit is. We've decided that it's also a way to engage with other people so with these this idea of discussion questions or actions. It's a way to to bring somebody in. Show them the tools and everyone kind of does their own work. And they're drawing from the same base but Everyone's interpretation of these resources will be different. Also so i think that's one aspect of it a going back to starting toolkits is we've got a lot of requests from people about it will. Where should i go. Where should i look at. I'm listening to your show. But i don't know there's so many things out there. Where do i start so we thought that it would be a nice tangible list of things where people can start. It's not the end all be all but it's it's somewhere to go right somewhat tir- start yeah something to kind of hold onto in look further into beyond your episode. Yeah and they can share that as well. Yeah and that's the great part to people. Some we have to respect that people are in different parts of their journey with their own self identity and also what it's like to be an ally a co conspirator misses a great place said to battle the mid woke kness of having to be self sufficient on all answers on all things like i have this resource. Make it based upon that of a fact of that being the backbone. And i feel like you get a not big more bang for you but but you get some. That's based upon something more solid than when you have conversations that are built upon similar more solid find it to be more fruitful Not based upon emotions or opinion. Yeah the cancer in sun and moon saying is more fruitful in these difficult conversations that we have that base of like this is the truth. This is the history. This is the research this is what people who are experts in their field and then i think it's beautiful once you get past that then you like but this is also my my personal experience. There's something about having those worlds collided having that moment relapse it's like Chef kiss exactly and you have these minnie's ods- And i think it's pretty impressive that you can cover so much in like ten minutes. 'cause you don't your time here so sometimes you're like are within the ten minutes and then it's like that's it and i mean like he always ran over. Just a little vocal. That's also part of self care to as well like. I think that's one of those like we wanted to have something in between our main episodes and we were realizing when we would end our episodes but also what always ended harry potter always ended something gigi but we decided to separate those becomes something else and it was also a trading for us to kind of let go of are issues of control a geek. Assad then yes yes is like geico sewed In a an aspect of it rate is one of us chooses. The topic doesn't tell the other run beforehand. So it's that's that's the aspect of letting go of control because you know it's it's so easy to be caught up in wanting to control all aspects of like specially a production right so it's good practice for us because really those skills you need out in the world to relinquish control. Yeah i. it's so great. I love it i love it i think. Also part of that. that practice of humanization. I think if we're just talking heads about these hard serious topics in our experiences. New start becoming like this figurehead like people to work at their that their leader. They're a person who was trying to lead or influence people towards religion. It change. who is person. And i think any you have to shine humanizing by pop women. Yes when you humanize us and you start to care so there might be some people who don't listen to our full episodes but they just listened to the minnie's odes and i'm hoping that leads to well i really care or i like i like sailor moon. I like doctor who. I like these things. I'm starting to form a connection with these people in their lives affecting the day to day existence. An i'm finding myself caring about their lives being difficult or oppressed right. It's a twofold fullest. Yeah for us and it serves a great purpose for those who listen will and i think it seems like the humor comes out more in the minnesota. You have your little snarky sarcasm. In the episodes. I've noticed so which is great because That's definitely needed sometimes. So it's nice to see that different part of yourselves when you're all like okay get down to work on the episodes and then the minnesota can be like. This is kind of fun and more relaxed. But you're still making a point and bringing things to light that need to be. Yeah yeah exactly. It is time so like let our hair down a little bit Yeah i i agree. I think we can be a little bit little bit more humorous in the mini so. Yeah i think quite funny. I mean i would definitely crowded is huge because like a funny person. I don't know about me danny. You're you've got potential first of all and you know it's come out. I mean once are casting person to another. It's there. I think you'd to be professional. You have to be sarcastic professional to really see it in here. Yeah no no. No i love it but i think that worth the report for both of us. They think that there's times and this is not complementary to myself. It's the stereotype of self deprecating. I know it's not all works in progress. Sometimes i'll listen to her. Minneapolis episodes like we are giora us. Trevor noah they are adorable. You can be part of this. I mean we do like a drinking game every time the listeners hear the word is named trevor noah. They have to drink whatever. They're drinking in front of them. Manila be like wwdc. Digs no real one but i would listen to our episodes. You know not just. I'm like we. I'm just really thankful to have a partner like can have a really great report that can have that great balance that is the the yes and or to build on top of that or what. Do you think i've listened to like danny. Listen to podcasts. In having a good relationship in authentic nece about the connection between the two is so important. And i'm really thankful to have that with with danny. Yeah you guys definitely have that. Thanks yeah i think yeah. That's and that's something we hope for for anyone who listens to find somebody who can be that person for you and i have known each other forever for so long now from decades now decades. Yeah old are you. Like two decades old oh no drinking goat's blood three should over here. So yeah no. I think in in that was part of what made us gravitate towards each other when we met in high school was just that We were we were to mixed kids and in a world where we were. We were outnumbered and yeah in the arts arts in particular makes girls in the arts. Were not Type and certain attitude is just like you love the the struggles real but it was beautiful to have someone in the struggle with right. Yes and here. You are decades later later. So what is your favorite minnesota. I have mine. But i wanna hear what yours of ood shoot. Danny i never go. I don't know how my goodness there's so many. I'm trying to remember now. I did enjoy doctor who you brought up earlier. Ooh i really liked started valley. Because i was just totally blindsided. I didn't know that you had played it yet. and so i really. It was really excited. It's surprised her. Danny brought up this video game that she really liked in she went to. We actually got each other for the first time in millennia of shoes in england. She was the last person i got to see. Visit me before the lockdown. No yeah to this day. It's still a craziest thing. I know it's so crazy sidebar. How i was in england. Hearing about this virus yeah. It's so so weird. And she mentioned sturdy valley. And i was just happy to lay trying to get into up gamer per se but i was just trying to figure out ways to distress and all that fun stuff and i started playing in my. I'm going to get really good or to a place. And i'm going to bring it up to surprise daddy that i've been playing this game and we got to gather it which was lended awesome gains. Bring people together we. We recently did one about mars. That's my favorite. I think was so to me when i got done. A did we just talk about mars for like twenty minutes to slake because we always have this fear. Oh can we fill time remember debt. We will be able to sell the time as stunt how somehow. We're always like we have to wrap this up. We have to wrap this. Oh taking me is one of your listeners. You don't seem to ever have a tie an issue with filling time. It's true so brad. He is totally. Forget about that anymore. Totally totally i love. I i definitely think It's not an official minnesota. But i think it was annot maheshwari. Mini sodas of soup casts spinoff Danny like could talk about soup. Proper full episode that we did a long sidebar. Yes like an absurd long time and then he just kept like every fall season like girl. You know what time it is. It's time it's luck to soup cash. I mean i wanna know cathy. What's your favorite soup. Yes favorite soup. I would have to say like chicken. Noodle maybe i said yeah Do you have a simple girl. You a brand or or do you make it well. I don't do either I mean i grew up with campbell's but who didn't right because my mom didn't make soup from scratch. She didn't make well. She made pizza dough and cookies from scratch. So i'll give her that. Oh right you guys. So many soups. I always have to go with the potato late. Potato leek is so good so good She actually i make ticket. It's my daughter's favorite. She will ask it for her birthday. It's i love it in middle of july. Luckily she's february okay. She'll ashburn chicken ring sushi or chicken noodle soup it will rotate between those three For her birthday a pin a meal. i yeah i think actually i made my first batch of me so broth the other night. I was not mad about it. So that's my favorite for now. Yeah for now now. it does change. A good roasted tomato soup is really with a classic girl. Cheese like one basic suit girl. So can i go back to this. Mars mini sewed. Yes because i have like sorry for the soup sidebar. I have like five cards on this right now. I can't not talk about it because that's like half my episode right there. I'm here we're back on here. That's always from ours. Is here so i was cracking up. Because the hang in there poster that you mentioned about the kitty the kitten. I mean i. I told remember that. But aren't you like excited that they were pictures coming back from mars and the fact that there was like an eleven minute delay that like the control centers is like on the edge of their seat for like eleven minutes to see if that even like led it on. Mars could've like imploded on entry does not like site. You guys a little bit terrific advancement as always exciting. But and then the helicopter. I was mostly excited about that helicopter. And i don't think that really panned out from what i understand. Yeah and see. That's my issue with all these missions. So much doesn't pan out so much. Prep it always feels like. It's like nineteen nineties technology. I know it's not because it's just so far away. But i don't know it always feels a little disappointing right. Yeah you know. I will say this is not excited am i. This was any others anyone else's job and it kept like having this massive amount of anticipation in money and resources The fired return investment. I know shows that have closed insurance times says because they didn't get their investment on. But i will say scientists for being so. Factual are some hopeful. People like dennis talking about like the anticipation the waiting planning to get seven. Eleven camera footage green in juice and like that. That is kind of hope. I need so you are. You're in some hopeful profession. i've ever seen. I need more of that. I should get that and you talk about your favorite planet to talk about that. Sure and your favorite planet is saturn for both of you. I mean jupiter was kind of in the running but i think super cool saturn took it. Yeah i don't know like a special you because you're yeah you're supposed to you while seeing saturn. Yes and because saturn's my favorite plan. Yeah so like. I feel like danny gets like that is like she gets to deem that planet that is i mean actually mine technically is no longer. He's excommunicated. you always you always go to. I was gonna bring up pluto anyway. Because i feel the same way. It's like. oh can someone cancel a planet. I mean how does that. I mean i think that's one cancel. Culture really started pluto. I mean here. In new mexico pluto is still planet. It's still a planet in my mind to in our state constitution or something they take. We should it and they're still teaching about it in schools. Damage probably probably. The daughter didn't learn about pluto. She was shook nineteen ninety-five. Sing along. like look look look. Look what's not anymore and this is when you know. Tomatoes were vegetables a simpler time vegetables in my day. You have to go with a change. But i just don't forget. I accept the change but doesn't mean i have to forget or i just wanna know why why why pluto's not a planet because it didn't like pay a bill or something or didn't you know it's shrunk in size didn't rotate around a certain thing. That orbit is irregular. And it's also we're all. This is not a video show saluto salt lake just doing its own thing to the moons and where it is what the planet does not necessarily meet the checkless and criteria of a traditional planet. But to me. I'm like it'll have to hurt. It's like y y just because it's doing its own thing exactly. Free thinkers orbit. Yeah exactly we'll have you guys seen that movie with arnold schwarzenegger called total recall. Where they go. He goes to mars or something. And it's some kind of contest or vacation. They actually celebrate. That movie actually was thirtieth anniversary was last year. I think how that kind of blew my mind when i read that. It's like i -member when that was in the movie theater. Saying that out loud. So i would like you to take this strip this from the episode in. Do you remember when they had like this contest for people to enter to see why you know kind of like why they would want to go to mars and live there. Do you remember that that was like maybe two twenty eighteen twenty seventeen. Well there's because you can go there but you can't come back right. There's no return ticket. Yeah because basically you're gonna die up there. So yes yes i do. Remember this now this insane. Yeah yeah that's how a horror movie starts like so there were forty two hundred candidates annoy you want. I know you want to know this information. Do that originally applied there were a hundred semi finalists. This was like worldwide and then there will be twenty four finalists. That'll be trained. But i want to know what happened with that because we haven't really heard anything like where are the twenty four finalists because there supposed to be like sequestered in a remote location where they would learn how to grow food and you repair technology and medical training. And it's like so what happened with that and this was this is supposed to happen like in twenty game twenty five or something. Twenty thirty two. They have started commune somewhere. And this is going to be a three part. Book series turned into a movie. The call themselves the martians and they were taken with the hopes of getting to the planet and it did not will. There isn't four part documentary about this is called mars one program and it was by a dutch organization. And they're supposed to go to mars in twenty thirty two. But i want to share something that bill nye said to usa today in twenty eighteen. He said it's not reasonable because it's so cold and there's hardly any water there's absolutely no food and the big thing and i just want to remind these guys. There's nothing to breathe. it's true i i remember. I had this book. Maybe was a magazine. When i was a kid and it talked about what they would have to do to tear for mars and i remember thinking like will. Let's start on this now because it's takes so long so i don't know i mean they can't. They can't tariff for it quick enough for these people. Apparently apparently i just feel like not that. I wanna like give the moon anymore. Money are clout. But what we're supposed to have like moon bases and motorise. An moon lofts elevator to the moon moon bus. And we're just like we were on like we had this committed relationship that we made all these promises and then we're like oh look hot piece mars and then we just broke it off and now we're we're going to go and go colonize mars now and unlike but what about the mon. The red planet has taken over. Yeah let us see. Like i can with mars but the but that's the thing i think that's partially why to the moon had so much promise right like this is the thing that like. The world's stopped breathing while training on the space race never was so involved and we had such high expectations. And we've been writing movies and theories and to think about what life would be like. That's our great hope. When me screw earth up the moon will be there for us but have of the population doesn't believe that we even landed on moon. Not so. I'm sure that's why the moon got cancelled so nobody believed it needs. I nobody it i know. I know. they're not helping by not going on with these promises. Know you guys are kind of making. It seem like you didn't do it. I mean do you think they're just trying to like reinvigorate that excitement about space travel with the general population. Oh yeah well. I think he lon. Musk is yeah. i think he'll on. Musk is helping with that. You know the whole spacex. That's lawn right or is that virgin. I know virgin. I think alon purchase. I don't know yeah. Well there several. I mean people who have enough money to be concerned with space of earth there. That's what they're doing. They moved on through. Like i've had enough other thing. We'll go back to space. Yeah exactly. that's the thing when we were getting pictures from the black hole. I think they're like this is gonna get people excited and in the pictures came out and everyone's like oh like once again it's a black hole co google black hole. You get more exciting pictures than this one. Yeah it's crazy. So i do get it i. There was something really romantic and exciting. About the i kind of space race the going out there and i think it's just fizzle. I don't know if it's because of the darn tick talks The kids out there with their darn kids seeing kidding you have you act like you. Don't love tiktok what we know what. I've thoroughly blame. I don't have an addiction. It's a mild like infatuation. I like it like it. it makes me. it makes me go. If i were twenty years younger i would be queen of tiktok. Oh my goodness. I totally believe that i. Totally believe that stands revolutionary. It's not us you know twenty years ago. It's like what was going on twenty years ago. And what would it be. Put onto. Tiktok the dr all video. I could just see it. Oh my goodness how to get the perfect butterfly clip placement era. One oh one oh my goodness diy white lake pants or or whatever give it another five or ten years in that will come back. It all comes back around now. Twenty years ago. One of my favorite hobbies and. I don't know if you know this week because it was really down low. But i used to love to make music videos but using lake anime clips with with like metal saw. That's what i'm saying. I would have been queen of. Did she put it on your face. Well that was pre my space. I might goodness does anything. Ever pre my space. Al i dunno aim. If you didn't get a program in your cereal box to how do you not trust it right. And i got one in the mail every week just about two week. Just keep doing that. Free trial ethically twenty million emails later. I tell you my mom still has a aol email address. Who i don't know. I think hotmail is like right up there though Yet i co site map. Yeah are you guys up for a little game sarcastic jeopardy. Let's do it right. Do we have to frame our our answers in the form of a question. Do because i'm going to give you a list and then you're gonna have to tell me what you know all the category as or whatever let's do this. This isn't tribute of alex dramatic sarcastic jeopardy all right here we go ellen degeneres. Jk rowling hilaria baldwin gina khurana who are cancelled close. That's good that's good. No i will actually accept that. It's who are celebrities who've been cancelled. Okay now okay. All right all right next one alon. Musk jeff bezos. Donald trump mark davis. Who are people wanna put on mars. Exactly ooh it's more like my version is who are asked hats we are sending to mars. Let's okay last one of sarcastic jeopardy. What's the theme song for that. It's not done now. that's other. I mean copyrighted. So little teapot is jeopardy's. It's a little teapot. All right here. We go buzzfeed quizzes steam punk hamilton. 'cause play ourselves. What is our minnesota episode Close oh danny do ever idea. Oh it's different than that Steam punk what are dominica many. So it's up to make committee sounds through an ourselves at the end. Yeah at the ourselves with with me. Yeah woo hoo wait for the answer. We we are very what are things we can't escape can escape. That cost play now. Or those buzz buzzfeed quizzes. No one for everything i want to know. What kind of cheese. Kathy is like so bad and you know. Why can't we do that. Yeah i think that the next time. Get together i want. Are you abry. Are you a goat cheese. A my swiss with the holes. Yes yes munster monster. So many choices cheese cast. I wanna thank you so much. For being non women who sarcastic podcast. It's been a joy we definitely need to do this again. you can find danny and demy gut on instagram at biracial unicorns on facebook and twitter at biracial magic. And wherever you listen to podcasts s- thank you so much for having us kathy. 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Game of Thrones  Unhand me you Baratheon!

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Game of Thrones Unhand me you Baratheon!

"Hey, welcome back to foia reference. This segment is code your phrase own mine and earthy is out studious man that holds the phrase for this week. So this is a Swedish proverb. Okay. And it goes like this. The Bill is the best advisor. I will take it on the interpretation that the person that you lay within your bed chambers. Public tells you the most truth therefore that way, you get the best advice not enough. Or or can you add to this question? Six. So it means that sleep on a problem and see how you feel in the morning. But in as expecting seductive pillars. Off from your side him ju there's a market fair everything. All right. So let's head on over to the main part of the share guys. Hey, guys, how you going? Welcome to another week of foyer reference podcast will your curse Katie Doty. And this we kind of feels like a problem because I one you'll phrase oh mine last week. And yet this week we're doing. To once child grin, and to one's pleasure. That's what we're covering this week as you guys will or where literally within a week of the last season premiering. So he thought this would be a good time to cover this. Hey, ch- beer phenomenon. That has shaken the world and taken the world by storm about Tom to get you to actually watch it. Yes. That is true. For many years, I've managed to evade I've zigzagged away for. And yes, I have avoided game of thrones for yes. But to be fair, I actually give game of Thoenes not wanna I. And I think a couple of years after it. I actually did watch the first season. And you know, what the sun came up the next day. Did it the clock kept turning my life didn't change by watching game Thoenes in any way? Winter's coming. He that it's the piddle paddle of keyboard? Warriors and game a third enthusiasts out there. Coming to get me. I'm ready made my Vikings. We will die glorious death defending my my views. So yet so here, we are seventy ogerous earners hours later. I just watch game of thrones for the first time and OT Z a second time. That's a lot considering how much you said gave is the best. Twice. I was just waiting for you hang on a second. If we went to draw a vendetta gram of super hardcore game of thrones fans, and people that were nonchalant about it. You would be in the SLA in the twain because I almost guaranteeing people that are obsessed with thirds have definitely watched it more than two times all the way doing up of me actually, waiting for your sudden reading the books granted in finished. But a started up to the fourth book. So this is an iconic episode because that's a deal breaker for me. I wouldn't go. Geeky miss his level have. His. Well, we will definitely go into this series and characters I found intrinsically problematic that you didn't even seem to have a problem with. But the foundations definitely crumble. But before we get to that let me attempt a non fan and even after seventy hours let me attempt to capture essentially what shows Senna's around. Hey did not show. You have seven kingdoms vying for the third a game ferns if you will roll credits done can we now? So you seven kingdoms vying for the third, obviously, there's lots of debauchery, there's lots of betrayal. There's a whole lot of skeeving and little finger Innis goes on own my little finger Innis doesn't sound right. It's on the topic. Is a show about incest. Centrally. So I think I'm doing even. Little ingles. Dubious Ozzy knows. So just goes to show. He was he was quite crafty. He he knew what he was doing to us shoutouts shutout St. little finger because he mentioned before we even got to the maids, let's talk about seven kingdoms. So you've got the veil which was ruled by house, Aaron we really didn't get much of an introduction in regards to John Aaron just the fact that he died a mysterious death. Who was married to LIZA and had that creepy kid, Robin. We also have the land of the river leads for how to leap to Ali human. I'm pretty sure the authentic fans. Call it house Tooley. Just the racist towards. Authentic is the word. So in house to Lee, we have lady Catlin who was married to edit stock. We also have her brother Ed meal who I'm pretty sure was in prison for like two seasons. And everyone forgot about him. And then going to the north we have how stock so we've got obviously at stock. We've also Benjamin who is the brother that everyone wants to have. Sipa solid is a hit a solid of character used very sparingly. And that's exactly what you want. He was reminiscent to me of Rollo in Vikings role in the latest Eason's. Yeah. Come on now. Roles used quite a lot in all episodes up until but in the sound by he was the brother that you wanted to have in the flanks view, the true side by side just as long as you leave your wife far away from him. Everything will be hey, man. His father was a pussy magnet. I'm not sure about engine. Wildly magnet. In the stock family. You've got the iconic children rope. Stark santa. I. The trae one brand Brad. Surely can boring. He was around trees more than he was around the raven and record. The one that doesn't how does exact. So there you got ruling the north where winter was always coming. Like, she's not a horny bitch. She went come for you every time settled down. Right. Shits about to get real. And then over the stolen. We have house Baratheon which gave us a lot of kindle to the fire. You've got rub Raffin who was the king at the time you'll have status breath, Ian, and all of the problematic sort of behaviors that he had and Ren LA rela breath. Ian. Also shower too Charene beautiful Queen of everything Charene, husky one of the most likeable doctors in the show. Right. What are the most likeable and made also very likable considering her origin story if you will surprising? She wasn't full of hate. And she wanted to plot against murdering parents true. She was locked sweet soul and her interactions with said devil. See worth. That in itself. Just warmed my cold cold interaction between. Tyrian and Braun around for their money. Come on. Now. That that's a bit of a tasty morsel. They give it to. Stick around for a few minutes. We also have the Westerlund which is overseen by house Lenin-style previously taken up by the tug Arians. But you've got house Lanta you have Taiwan at the helm. I don't think we ever really saw his wife. She might have been mentioned in passing. But we've got time at the helm. And you've got his children the children that lick each other's children. Jamie that you've also got Tyrian. Motherfucking lancaster. One of the best characters in the show. One of the vets not even one of the best. I'll goes far to say he's the best character in the show. He's the most character development throughout the whole series. I in goal is to say in terms of character development. Fickle as hell. The best character does win the of the show. How more fickle the little finger and then served as children. We have Joffrey Masa and also Thoman. Yeah. I think we'll just keep that. When our let's continue on. And then we've also got overlooking. The rich we have house Tiro. We have my bad bitch undisputed assessing NATO Olinda my girl going now, sipping drinks talking shit around people manner lenna urges to end the time. Hoppy with lava she has many shady moments, and you know, what actually they weren't even shade. She was just blunt if she didn't like you. She would let you there was a same with Jesse was making a slide comment talking about the tot Quaeda phones. And then a letter was like, oh, it's the famous top Queen sec-. She did good comeback. And she's my mother fucker j I forgot the Lovell as so you've got hurt the house. So you're in for a good time. If you're around the Tyrrells all the family of phones, you've also got lady Marjorie, and you've also got, sir. Loris? Yeah. And what about house motel tell us mobile? It has Martell. We've got I think he's a king Daren the one in the wheelchair. Via of how smart. And then we've got Auburn my pedal, PASCAL Lizzy also fucking love saying. The. Because game has been out for fees. I think I saw a semblance of him being. I didn't realize how big of a pie he will play. In this. I any capacity if I can never see this man acting pretty much type 'cause as that sexual playboy, and I'm move it. So whenever I can say bedrose scowl being better scowl, I wo- for it. The puck goals ready. Matiz ready max Radi where ready to go. And then you also auburn's wife and daughters was just one of them is daughter. I dunno. We've got a whole family in the house Martell. So. We've also got the substantial house of tug Aryan, so they don't necessarily have a place in this new old when the series thoughts, but my favorite tug Aryan is Mesa. Ayman? I called it. I called it. I was like he's Gary. And you didn't want say anything the fact that didn't say anything, I got that. Right there. You did it. What enlightened d to the fact they either together in. I think it was more just his faces and the fact that he's blind usually, and they sort of shares very auspicious. So the fact that it was blind. All something must have happened to him. And why is he a wall? But that's pretty much it for the tar guarantee. I really have anything else to say about that family. So let's talk about our initial thoughts of what you. Experienced during the show your feelings about the show. You're just a general overview. Okay. So general overview, I again, I didn't watch the show. I only watch the a couple of years after I in in two thousand and eleven at anything it was that great. And again, my life continued after that. You tracked me because you told me that this was the last season. So I'm like, okay, and obviously offseason. Yeah. But they're also prequels see in choose to keep those treatment. That's in Chapman. And I'll take that all the way to court. Yes. So I watched it because I guess if I want to say, I don't like something and people going to tell me that I'm wrong like you that it is actually a good Scher. I wanna be able to articulate -ly vehemently argue why this show is in that great. And I feel like I can do that now. Because again, I've got seventy hours on the my Bill where I don't know where I'm going to get that. I need a right to maybe OT are modern. I take recourse. And just a side note. South park made a lot of jokes about there being hates of gay sex. In gay didn't think there was a lot of that. No, though, a lot of Dicks swinging about on the show. But if you do on see dick swinging you show what hatred his share of? Just even pretty Dick's you'll say real Dick's trust for your reference for this show. So my thought is that watching this second time, I got to see a lot of things that I thought I'll missed of course, reading the book goes so much more grinding details. Rewatching the shore. Second town are got to appreciate some characters ident- especially like in the foster. Okay. I got to appreciate Tauern Lonnie stir really respect the time when the. I wouldn't go so far to say respect. But I saw where it was coming from those who just being addict to be a dick those of reasoning behind it. And the always looked at the bigger picture. It was always Lon is against the world and everything he tried to do up until then was to maintain that sort of level. And I don't know the foster I'm watching it was like this fucking lobbyist is don't even think Electra Jimmy Lau marching the fast the foster Jamie the second time. Electa system, but I really liked Amy no-one can lock anyone more than Jimmy locks saucy. Hey was certificated. It was like a little puppy but going back to tie when I. Where birth from generation where out parents. Were brought up to place more importance on societal values and the perception of your family over your kids want and desires and the actual center bang, so from that point of view watching Thai when a fucking dick to Tyrian, I wasn't a fan of that. But I also understand that that's kind of the place that he's coming from. And let's not disregard his years in military combat and the fact that he does have wisdom, not just on the battlefield. But also just in being able to rule a people, and that's why I have a lot of qualms with some other characters and gave thrones. Because they actually didn't have any sort of sense of what it meant to actually kill execute. There are militias orders to kill everyone has to execute. An order y'all alita for reason your lead. Just without that. You don't have the grounding of great decisions. So let's just capture off untiring because there is so much that happens engage returns. And we're not looking to do an episode by third play. This is going to be a one podcast sort of Mitch. I said Mitch like an American may sh- my bad. A meat. They. You. Yeah. You got a niche in either scratch. That doesn't sound right at all. We love Americans. We did have some American listen listeners. Shadow Sieg is hopefully you can understand anything. We say. But yeah, Mitch was out to you guys. So let's let's talk about Taiwan because we probably won't be able to get back to him. He had the festival was born into the right family, right? Is a relative word. But if you're talking about prestige and power he was born into the right family. He pretty much took all the steps that a dirtying sons should do as a Lanta stop. He went out. He was a military. He married the right woman. He had all the beautiful kids. And he he ruled for a long time quite well where he was he's the image of like an orgy sort of guy. He doesn't really say I love you. But you know, he'll give you kingdoms, and he'll give you costly rock. Which Jay we kept rejecting. But let's continue with the loudest as luckily Tyrian because Tyrian did is our lane. Let's let's capture off the rest of the loudest as Jamie on Jeremy's a great actor. He goes so far into his development odd reckon he has more character development than Tyrian one. Actually love this come on. Now, I will fight you in these straights because we start off as Jamie, bang tunnel vision, and he was just for him, and the is and the sister, but throughout the episode under his interaction with brand you could see that. He was changing he saw the wall in a different from a different perspective. And he knew that being ruthless and being. As bad as the way, they they've been carrying out the orders or whatever for the past few years. It wasn't the way to go. And we saw that in the last season. But I don't think actually actually splits with saucy. But I don't think that's fair to say because Jamie did have a hot, and he did them and straight that in many ways pushing the hang on at the start of the series. He was known as the king slayer. Right. Oh, his motherfucker bad ass like because even at that time. I didn't know who to stand at the time but later on in the series, and I'm pretty sure it's when he's confiding with brand he talks about that actual day when he did slay the king, and it was actually because the king wanted to kill everyone with that green wildfire wall with wildfire. And that's actually the underlying reason as to why Jamie stopped because even though he didn't really care for the common folk and generally affect him in any way that. Wasn't right. He knew in his heart that that wasn't right. And that was actually before the series started. So you can't tell me that Jamie didn't have a hot at those more internal. He didn't go telling people is reasons, you know, he kept internally like, oh, but he's still made that under rocks. Coming to tours the whole show. He you could see that his diet. He still did that right? And even even going back to Jamie. I guess you could argue he was born into the family. He wasn't born into the right family. But he didn't have that roofless nature of the lionesses. He was more majestic as a lion as a purse to Rufus right this. He wanted to be the king's God, he didn't. I can't it wasn't even interested in having a family have kids probably because he had on the side. But he wasn't someone that was wanted for power. True, sir. As you as you continue to say his journey and the win got his hand cut off. I knew that was going to happen on my Jamie, pull your fucking head in you being addicted like stock some athletes so superior even though you probably are still backed is superior because you're going to get your hand chopped off. Jamie was a joy to watch. I definitely enjoyed say his journey continuing to say his journey unfold. I did love me a little bit of Jamie Brin sort of saying I woke him that. But I also ship bread. And loma. Taumont? I will get swept away in a world of fantasy. If we get into that now. So let's just say that for a second. Let's talk about this and the kids. Saucy saucy is. Ruthless. She's been negative is fucking coward. She's not a college. I wouldn't say she's a coward. She's not a great character. In terms of her executing orders. Did she ever do herself? She doesn't have to do anything. She has the power to command people to do it. Now, not nominee. I should did. She did go through. So she wasn't. She was being tortured and not tortured by she was captured in a room other. Holy sceptre. Yeah. But sharer Eddie Runamuck by then she'd already destroyed lives by that point by you could tell she knew she was going to come back say. Your opinion. But shea love that bitch. Choose the best. Okay. Let's let's talk about society. This. I did not I did not care for her at all thought show's awake woman, even when she was weak. She was weak. All week your wake for not letting me finish my point because you know. Even when she was a kid as she stumbled across a witch the which is like you're going to have three kids. They're all gotta die. Gotta be miserable. What are like as a kid? Wouldn't that? Make you feel all she Anita pull my head clashes. So it's reading let it be done me. I'm not going to change the fate of the world gonna wanna change my fate might as well just leave and enjoy time with Jamie. There's something disgusting about people that want to hurt others and actually get their hands dirty. And that was on forgivable to me, the okay. So she she did a lot of shit throughout the series even early on from the series shows fucking terrible to Sansa. She's terrible to the way she traded Tyrian. It's psych your grown woman. And you're still blame your brother for killing your mother get the fuck over get the fuck on your burner because that's what you've been doing. I'm not a fan. So I was never been of the soci- sort of circle, so whatever, but. I guess the point of nerve return for me is when she killed essentially, everyone in that courthouse just to get rid of the Tyrrell's and also the up to the highest septa that was that was on forgivable to me, and I was not a fan of that. And the fact that Tom killed himself because of that as she didn't feel any sort of most that she might have contributed to that role. Trimmers? There's no remorse. She didn't go and watch her back. She did not. Well, the thing that saw look into blame Tyrian. She kept looking to blame Nahmad was is she tried to control Joffrey Ned stock dying was not out of saucy trying. How do you think he got like that aside? You can't put aside from brothers and sisters getting busy. How do you think you got off to genetic some messed up chains because even we were sitting there? We'll like this is the result of not smacking your kids. Thought again known smocks kids nowadays. So you'd have millions millions and millions of Joffrey. Have you met the world? Well, then it's indicative of what's happening now. Okay. This going come round. This is not going to become some old truest Merita society off. So what do we think about sausage? She had to do to. She had to do whatever she had to have integrate blowing up the car. Hi, sceptre and everyone with ours. Like, they know what those guys almost ruin the show for me. All this religious bull Harker when nothing really happens in those stran- oppress people all in the name of religion. So Sasa getting rid of them are have competence with that. So let's let's talk about the stocks. Yep. How did you feel? So this talks are the north. So you have added stock her, and he's this holier than thou. Kind of personality and all those is virtually that got him kill. It is not that guarding killed by. He probably could have stayed alive if he had compromised his virtually lock what little finger told him take the castle take throw. Now, just do it be on rule over you know, he was too good. A man he was too good. A man led to his downfall. Sure. So his loyal. He kept secret that always Pauling it. Now was it to Ali, welcome. If you've never listened to anyone of our episodes way driven the spoilers, sir. Spoil town population. Katie Artie, and you listening. Beware. We've already spoiled stuff, but beware. So edit takes Leon is kid from how Marge with Rague. Yes. Garin and this kid he passes it off as his own and Caitlyn goes czar inches treats John's no as waters you can like she was really being a bitch to him. Which to some point July. You understand? It's not the kids hold if anything you should be angry at it should be angered at. So there's nothing more to speak on editor in terms of. Well, it's all his scenario him getting killed start up the war in the foster place. But a played as a catalyst of the show. He's roles motor catalyze every action proceed from it other than not just a good guy trying to live life. He were he was and it was very honorable. But if if you had a child that wasn't yours would you pretend that the child was yours because there was for the safety of that child. But the thing is out probably tell you. Wiz. You're on. Upon us supposed to know everything about me. So why would I not tell you? It'll be a secret for both of us to share not me to just hold it by myself. And then you hating my guts for it. Yeah. But I think that's the point because Catlin hated the kid for years. And so let's continue the kids in the stock family. And dials. Can I just say I did cry? If you times through the jurisdiction agape with earned and eighty percent of my crying was a related to the dire wolves dying. I don't know man, you give me a sad dog Villier, and I will be a mess like there are times when teenage to take my third away with me away from me because I just get carried away. And I keep watching sad dog videos, and I'm pretty much incapacitated for the rest of the day. But going back to the stock kids, we've got rob sock. Bodyguard men. He was like he was pretty boring. He'll strategist I had never watched the red wedding. But I knew he was going to die like leading up to whatever the red wedding was going to be it was getting tents, and I'll like I k- things happening talking about the stock family. I think it's about time someone dies, and I think it's gonna be rob. What else does he have to offer? Yeah. He didn't have much too often the factory solid to Mari the lady Ossining. Whatever the hell name was pretty nobody a pretty nobody. When he promised to marry. Filch filchers Dora. Filch the fray fills from Harry Potter with cat crossovers made. There's also an afterlife listened to I've said of afterlife into it. Yeah. Because he did promise. And that was hinging on them being able to cross safely past the bridge. And I didn't like that. Because he was not a man of his word. I don't know what he inherited out of edit stock, but it definitely wasn't on or integrity. The fuck that goal there with his so-called wife now and just throw it in his dollars. That's right. You know, what I did say it just goes to shirt that it doesn't matter if you're poor. If you've got a nice face you can pull yourself out of poverty clearly. Really? Nobody came coming out of nowhere. So I think Rob's had enough time because we're going to give even less time to brand. So. We're going to talk about Rickett. He was an idiot those hours because we're going to talk about African apart from this those arrows kept coming toward him. Right. What did you think too? Like like dodge roll, like roll around zigzag, juice something. Is something be in charge of your destiny. Well, that's what how judge in anything in this tasha's our in even he'll being protected by the wild lane or Scher, and he did nothing. We've wasted enough time just talking about him. Yeah. He did more than brand. Got in call him, Brandon. He was playing for the just brand role. Brown hasn't done much yet. If you're interested in hearing me journal about how much brand for an hour. Let me know we might put that as a Berta. Next to my Daniel Colella appreciation episode. Yeah. But prayer fucking useless. I just just go away. And by the end of your raven houses, he useless. He knows everything. This is one of the worst parts of this series involved brand. When he was like doing his little stall Mayes. And he was what do they call it? What walking wall walking he was walking. And it was trying to infiltrate the night army is he was trying to say whether it was situated. The my Kim comes. Grabs his arm. He gets kid and he wakes up. The trae Manders audits. Like. King. King. I fully got infiltrated into the little tree cave and all those beautiful tree Amazonian ladies had to die because brand was a fucking idiot. Try. I give you that even try. That's a case close on brand where done. Sansa will get less time than I us. Let's talk about center. Sounds or shown as a weakling throughout the whole episode though, the whole most of the season where she just kept on trying to find a house burned of be the sort of Princess and be in the throat and be a Queen. And she was all about Glen Layton in walk for me. She was not eve she didn't understand how things walked, and it took a soul long to realize what the actual Faulk and actually wake up north Anna Sansa, and when she did try and use little finger or little finger was using how one idea with. It's just like come on man, the whole fucking show, you've been useless. Now you going to have little finger play. And then we come out to the end where I think she plays. The little thing actually Toronto. Put some REO s- against each other. The fun thirty actually worked for bit canal men. I think the problem with sense is she was high on as she remained mentally a high born even points of survival, which became problematic to Mason. She got to king's landing, which she was, sir. Happy to king. Lanny she couldn't wait to get the fuck out of winter fell. But what she got to king's landing she sought to dress and have her hair likes us. See when the terribles tyrel Tyrol's sorry when they came. She started to do a hail lady Marjorie like shows fully trying to motor self without even knowing who she was as a person. Her getting married to Ramsey wasn't great. There are a lot of rape scenes in game of thrones more than enjoyable sex. Anes? In the Shire? But yeah, so that wasn't great. And I'm obviously don't want cheering that that happened to censor. But I do wish that she kind of took her destiny by the rains a bit more. She kind of just accepted that again, not the right part. But she kind of just accepted that shitty. Things are going to happen to her when you contrast to IRA she definitely could have done more quote on more and. Always waiting on gallant night to save her just to aid is different for her actually grabs share her. Shower because it's what five or six episodes this time. Yes. Except of there. There will be enough time to cover. So let's talk about the ir, and I think it depended some actors called her aria, and then some actors quarter REO through based on the spelling. Toria? It depends where you come from. She's a she's a nobody she has her name. So it doesn't matter. So she's really good. She has she's always tried to fight lock the boys like his brothers. And she had this mentality of what they can do. I should be able to do. She was a complete polar opposite of war Sansa was or is. And we take into Johnny where she tries to train. She's too hard to use needle swap master, dancing master. We'll get by Johnson and Wilton that aria Johnson super tight like really really close. She's just a solid character through and through. You you feel like in every situation he'd want to be an area in that area. Do. Unfortunately, she's in the minority of strong Holman characters in this series. I I would I would argue that there are only three strong women characters in the series is one of them. So let's let's get through everyone. We need to get through. And I will tell you my delicious theories, and we have John snow. The busted, what do you think? What I think part of the problem is this shirt has been over hyped to hell or to win to hell if you'll pardon the pun. So I really fought in my mind that John's was going to be a really substantial. By tea sort of character was actually quite vanilla by the end of it. He wasn't. He wasn't really that special. He was from the dead. He literally could call him Boston number one. And I would keep going. Wow. Was nothing really that special about he had integrity. He knew how to lead men him in and of itself, I wouldn't want to sit around and have a drink with. If you're asking me who I want to sit around and have a drink with I would say Bron, but that's for another time or even -tarian. But that's for another time. But John wasn't that interesting? His historic wasn't that fascinating to me. I thought it was quite shape how he got killed. And then he came back to life. Even if I watch cable thirds as it played out. I knew that he wouldn't have died in that was it. It was too integral to the story. And then you had. Alpes? What did you call them? The brothers Cape. The man that keeps coming back to life, and then the hound and yet from the Bollywood, whether they were like, oh, you were brought back for reason. Even that read lady today is Andrea meta, Sandra. She's like, oh, you brought back for a reason. So even in that sense like you knew that he was going to come back to life. And there was so much set out to him. He wouldn't made sense to kill him, and then have to rage a similar type of character. I didn't really care him human a fighting on the way, I'm actually surprised that they got married and they met on gay refers, and they got married as a part of the acting. It's just saying. Bothersome? I just didn't want to. I do some wildly love. I do. Love me, some Tolman. Yeah. I just I really didn't care for John slows character. He was like he was competent. Let's say that. Well, the thing with Jon snow is they're enor- his the main character latkes one of them in John's, no nothing, and he's not going to be killed off before even know who the parents are likely the remains of feeling too big deal about who the models and who was happening there. And it was like now made his dead. Now of is coming to come back. Well, the hell someone else come back to live, of course, is not gonna to left dead. It was just obvious his dead. Fines people kept saying that game of Thoenes just killed characters left. A Ryan I really didn't feel like that was the case. Like, I knew that Jong slur was never gonna die, sir. She wasn't going to die. You knew people that will be and probably billing would've died the story. Yeah. You new characters old. Actually, I agree with you the second. I'm watching. I'd be like. Yeah. You come a saw even if it made sense for them to die. They wouldn't die because they're more important than the story because I spotted his for example, people die people died in that shirt. That's a really happening game with her on anything. Which was kind of all predictable. I wouldn't say that characters die here. Too often now grow with. So before we close off on how stock about theon, great joy. And because we are trying to capture as much people as possible within this podcast sort of timeframe. I don't wanna spend too much time. But I definitely want to talk about theon evolution as a character. And rake house, he has evolved. Well, he's his basic stance. From introduced his his douche at the start. And the end of his come to see that. He was a douche. And now he's drawn to confess or apologize for whatever. I did it betraying rob and trying to kill Brandon Riggan. And the fact that I think all that just happened because he got captured and tortured by Ramsey. If that happened he would still be the dish that he was. And he was still probably I really think it was a dish that he was a kid that was taken away from his family since raised. It was raised as stocks all the love in the world. But if you developmentally at a very formative age wasn't given the right amount of love that will turn you into problematic, Laura person. So even even up to that point when he had his journey, and he betrayed to stocks and torture by Ramsey, and he ended up saving Sansa, actually forgave him. The part where things came on is when he fucking jumped off the boat and left his system those unforgivable with the angle that was unforgivable. Well, nothing doing that. Everything is being through. It was understandable, try and run on hand. So that's understandable. But every time the hound got scared of fire. You kept saying grow up. Just because he'd try to find a way to deal with it. You know, how about failed men? Not only been exposed to this for a few come on. Now off you years with yourself. How does live with this for his entire life? He hot bird as a child by his Brown. Eko bird as a child by his brother, sorta ability any anytime, you want to go to a bottle, your liability is just a lot of fire and you care kill the hound. Hang on. I'm getting my death marinara again. What he what are you doing the next now? I guess I'll be dial. I guess you. Let's talk about status house Baratheon any wanna talk about Roe bit who king rob married to Sissy at the start of the series about rubble was a solid character. He was really good friends of Ed stock, and that's how I come across the stocks because he goes to meet them. I think Robert was a great king. I think hey stretch he didn't even remember him since two minutes ago. So we'll fight that you are. I thought him and having their adventures was quite a tale to tell because they are doing preschools, I would be interested. If I had to in watching that you're what I think would be a great invention. If I could just I would even pay for the service of if either like a sitting character, you can remove them from the series, and then I can just watch all the characters that I want to watch this series. If that's the case, then I'm all for it. Some event that and send us a amount. Hello it. If I our podcast because I would love to be involved in that. But yet came Robert was great. He didn't really Dolj Joffrey. If you noticed they really exact. Exactly. Here you didn't indulge him. So if you're talking about the nature nurture, certainly was the problem in that equation aside from the of incest, but it was the problem in that situation. So Robert, I thought was pretty solid. He also had a kid was soci-. And I think it was alluded. That certainly did something to make sure she lost that child. She killed the kid. Exactly. So how do you think Robert will be feeling? Those are very good serving same between king Robert and Suzy right before he died, and they could literally say there was learn love between these two right and convenience Robert made some comment about I don't even know how. The people come together and uncertainty with a referral smile said. It was our marriage and that was perfect because they completely understood each other in that moment. So I think you need to give more credit where credit is drew in regards to rubber Sylla's talk about status Barath you fucking coward. His his his. To kill his younger, brother what focus that his his his not special. He's relying on the Landreau for pretty much everything. He doesn't know how to lead. He come decision for himself. It's relying on devas or his dramas. Andrea. Oh, all gonna do what I'm going to say, oh, how will win this bottle even when said was saying to status to leave her behind, and he he he took that council. But then when they lost hip Blane's, exactly cop. To that his this shit Carter through throughout areas. Much of him. Our to see Brienne Sherie died, and he was there. And in the one supposed to love Shull in more than the mom. The mom was always like a dick lean. But when it came down to it, the mom to save Charlene from being bond to the state every I was really side. And you know, a really caught me as well knowing that they plan that toy, sir. Devils to like away, and knowing that he would find out because I knew there was no way he wasn't going to find out about this that really really break, my heart. That's big. Just just one more second the saving grace of status breath yet when he was doing this questionable. Things was a history of his daughter. Clearly, not enough. Well, what turns to sacrifice? That's when it all came down for me. And I'm like you can buy. Reynolds, if we're running out of time. If we're running out of time, Leslie. Yeah. But he did introduce by way of him being he introduced brand of tough to us. It is in that much. I talk loved remedy so much because there. Oh, yes, younger and before we run out of time. So brianna of tough. Brand. Mutt? Wow. Is an amazing warrior like she's warrior. I before she's a woman she's warrior, I would second. And that's what I loved true sensors lady. I true, I is warrior, I. Really is such a solid character service character development, and I'm so happy that we got introduced to her as a warrior. I felt like she was my. But she kept saying she wasn't or maybe by technicality. She wasn't an issue. But I really liked that we actually got to her skill before. They made the joke sees sort of love triangle between her Jamie and Taumont I liked that we we actually going to chance to focus on her. I also liked that we saw different qualities of her and her to make things right as well. I enjoyed saying the chemistry between her pod. Aside from for your reference. I think he's my favorite pod. And a signed from wanting to say some unsullied genitals. I did want to say pods genitals say of his magical cook. Do you think is just a big rather than technique that was one of the funniest say's when he came back from the brothel with that coin purse? Terry Brown will like what the fuck happened. No since. Moment is going. But I enjoyed that running joke that they had in the show. So let's go back to brand super solid. I also enjoyed the dynamics as she had Jamie. They were through a lot together. And I'm glad that they still. They still held that sort of dynamic even after parring from each other. Falls the close bond, and you could tell there's more to come between them, especially now that is left saucy. So it doesn't even have to be very mantis as well. I feel like it has to be room. It will be romantic not house to be my mentor has anything to say about probably before the David meet land is one of my reasons for living nobles to died when the walkers when the walkers surrounded them in the but didn't you like when they went to go back to recruit the Wild Wings. And the guy was like oh sorry. They can't talk right now any bash day hidden. You ready to talk now? I I've become obsessed with Toleman I just like looking at him, and I like watching compilations on YouTube of him and bran, but really it's more just him staring at brand like when he was eating that big chicken lake. He was stirring at Bryn is there. Anything more Minteq or of pudding? True. I do want us to run out of time before talking about the main issue. We've had watching this together not issue per se. Just when we were having fun. Let's look house to Gary and especially done Aries. No, one prefaced, and I'm blaming you. Specifically, Artie, no one purpose to me, how destructive and how problematic of character deniro's target Syrian is to the overall series. It's irresponsible to make someone watch game two thirds and not tell me about this terrible person. Let me just explain to you. So I've touched on it. So I've kind of planted the seed minutes ago, the nearest target Syrian is every example of what's wrong in the world or what's wrong in the world of game of thrones. And the reason why I say that is okay, fair enough, your baby and Noah's looking to you, and your essentially and open and Giora, I think. Essentially contributed to selling her away. Right. So that's great origin story to have. I get that. Even the fact that her brother. Solar off to the Dauth Raqi as a political play for him to become king was a gripe. And the fact that she she went through all of this torture with memo recommend that wasn't great as well. But more and more through the series everything just went right forward, the narrows all the time. And it was really pissing me off and the time when I started to even question your viewership was when she started to I would even use the word liberate when she started to let the slaves free, right? And the reason why I had a problem with that is because she she's essentially what I would call the UN in its worst eight right? So you come into this far land. And you say, you know, what I think I know what's best for you. And you there and the ones Schicker is bad you run off to another city and do the same fucking thing. That's not right. So what she did was she release a slaves. And then in some cities, she actually killed the masters pays them because I think one of the words there will showing sixty three I think crucified slaves or whatever. The number was. And then to reciprocate that she killed the same about of masters and had their personified as well. And then as we later find out in the series, some of the slave masters actually were trying to help the slaves they weren't even guilty. But because they were slave masters to begin with they will part of the problem because we have other remember is name, but are meant style acts from plebs. He he was the son of a man that actually help slaves and actually loved them as well. Because you know, they looked after his kids, and that's all the thing. And what really bothered me about the nearest is. She really didn't have a good grappling of how the world worked. And she didn't know what it meant to actually rule a people if you're in a position of power, and you choose to free the slaves that what you also need to do is introduce a system for them to be able to stand on their own to fate because once you get rid of the masters. It's a terrible situation of being. But once you get rid of the Mazdas. They have nowhere else to live. They have nowhere to eight. So what do you need to do you need to provide livelihood? How are you going to give them land? If the mosses still there, and these are the problems that I had maybe I was getting to real because it is just referred, but it just it just shirts. Me that even if she was an orphan, and she'll go through all of this. She still thinks in the sense of a high board, and she doesn't understand the ramifications of her ill decisions and serve, sir. Motto on the way, Giora moment, our best friend. Here advised against a lot of the things. She was doing yet. She continued to do it. And she decided to execute that slave Mazda. Right. If run of everyone in front of the slave mosses and also the slaves and she decided to make a public exhibition of that. Why why was that she she didn't? And again, that's why I'm not saying that you need to go on a bloody rampage to know what it means. But at least if you've killed him in before, and you've actually committed the orders that you've sent out you actually understand the gravity of what it means to make those sort of calls, right? Because if you can just tell someone to do it for you. Then it does take away a bit of. Humans are fallible creatures. So you know, you can come -partment allies that you're not as guilty because eating kill that person. Right. But in a nutshell, I really found hard to continue watching thirds on her story. Arc alarm. And it was interesting because we both had different points of view in regards to Narus. And do you want to share somebody else? So I took it as denarius taking down a path of hollering socio not going to get leadership from the Geico. And that's why she had. Giora and later she had Tyrian because she needed strong people around who'd actually shouldn't listen to the. Well, at least give her advice, and she did come to Lon that she can't just liberate people having some sort of plan. And that's why she's still did it. Well, and that's why when she actually went off on those still in in marine after the tactical drag on flew away and tear into over to urine was like she did lot. Like she understands the wash. Should it was a mistake and those in need for hard to understand that you can't just liberate people giving them some sort of direction. And she remember when she was she was confused the factor. Those over two hundred people waiting for waiting to see her. It's just shows naievty in what a lead what leadership? In any sort of genuine sincere nature. She had was fake because she wanted to help these people, but she didn't want to sit and listen to their problems one of a really good pivotal moment that points to her lack of character is the witch she in her mind saved, and you know, what the witch Senator final moments. I was raped twice before you came and saved me. What the fuck do? You think you've done for me? And she didn't learn her lesson. Even from that moment that she captured by the author Aki again. The doth Raqi even at the time. They didn't or she was a Casey right, but I didn't kill her things just worked at her favor. But she didn't give people those graces she didn't pay people. And even Giora was telling deniro's, you know, if you if I forgot who was going to lay down the orders. But if they were going to do what you did I wouldn't be alive today to advise you. And that's what it becomes a problem. And she was talking about how her people on slaves. Right. Even Tyrian when he came and it was to Masan day. He was like she was she was trying to defend the near saying, we're not slaves and Tyrians like, but if you wanted to go back to Naf Naf, if you wanted to go back to north could you guys she's like, oh, if yes, she would his like if you want to leave right now, would she let you right? And that's what became really problematic to me. Because you kept saying she was a catalyst for these people, but she took over the pyramid, which was the highest point of establishment in that city trying to act like she was part of the people. Right. And you might not you might not call them slaves. But if you're living in a big ass pyramid. Like that you're going to have people that need to tend to the residents that need to draw your bath that a cook your dinner, they might not call. Themselves slaves, but you're not addressing the underlying issues. Right. You're not addressing the foundational problem of the system because she still living in a way that. That still relies on slaves in order for her to have the lifestyle that she has. And that's the problem that I had with the nearest and it even got to the point where it always made us stop watching gay with our together because I guess you can really say where I was coming from. In regards to how I was received her character. And I really I really don't understand like. Yeah. You know, people wanna talk about dragon. She is the mother of dragons. But I don't think anyone's really acknowledged. The problematic, and you can't even call a navy because she she knew better that right? And I did it like how she would use her dragons and that pretty much became her shield. Right. So she could say whatever the fuck. She wanted say or she could attack whatever she wanted to add people could do anything because she had a drag it. I just I really didn't care for that. Because that's all true strength. True. That's what to you and try to make a stop doing stop how from using the drug on so much because what would differentiate are from the mud king who pretty much roll from by feared. This massive three as dragons and all terrorize, you until you bench to my wheel. And that's what we need to March in there with. Be Worcester overseas and do it from our own countries on solids, you can use tricky so tier and understood to some degree you country lie on your drug on for everything. Have to show to strategy off to show leadership for people to actually Foley your willingly for people to actually love you. But it just it just tickles me. Because in all of these is. Been going on. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say what I'm saying. And the fact that you don't even resonate with anything that I'm saying in regards to the nearest it just makes me wonder people actually watching this show. Pasta fus level. Boy, you just like cou dragon fire yet, man. Really it really it really stuck with me. And it really bothered me that her character was like that that she continued to go on like that. Because she wasn't even like a mad Queen. She was she was selfish, and she was in Dolgin as she. Folks, she she she thought she was doing well. But even when she was told she wasn't doing. Well, she didn't wanna listen, and she got she deflected. Even when she knew she was being. But let's let's leave that for now if you guys are interested in hearing more of my thoughts, and you wanna debut dive into I am, sir happy. We're doing this episode because I never really want to talk about her again. But I just realize we have another say's get through. But I I really have I have qualms. Oh, you're. Scams or settled end of season eight. That I'm heard Johnson together. I'm like that's not natural in any world. This is literally trying to bring all of the characters together and trying to mishmash everyone together that made no sense at all. But let's let's let's leave that. Solicits capture off a whole IMAS if world, but I just wanna capture off on any sort of lasting moments that he had already characters that we didn't bring up that you want to bring up. So I'll talk about Sam. Oh. Sometime who's been? Who's been seen as our cost of the family? Sort of we'd won the follow the really appreciate what some brings the main. Yeah. And feel when the nearest audit for the father umbrella to be killed. I was like, oh, that's but knowing the how the conflicted Samis solid character is knowledgeable, and we knew that someone play a role in this show. The maybe he was introduced as being useless. Like, he didn't he didn't know how to fight. He didn't know how to cook. His just was afraid of heights. He wasn't from here. It was a liability for Mr.. And what sorta character, you definitely know that are it as a whim of, you know, on a whim, so his a good characters carrot whole brings knowledge boxing. People are needed in John snow telling them what drug glass, hey knows his researching on how to the best way to defeat today. Feed the night-workers that Walker's Walker's the white walkers you've been watching some fan game. And he's also his also treated Giora from. And the fact that we have a lot of people were stuck in the old ways in the Maistre who really didn't want to do anything outside the old RAF all all shifting up. Ruffle feathers. Like he went out to up on himself to try and do new things do even when he was tried to play some more importance on brands note there were literally in academia, and they were thinking about in real life. They'll just talking about books, and we just wait for something to happen to them. Like just waiting for the watch walk to come up on kill them. All locked pretty useless on the speaker generation of people in society at the moment who have the power who have the knowledge and the just sitting on their laurels doing. She'll like to there's. I want to give to pie is that his name mud pie. It's it's it's hot pie. Sorry. Sorry hop. Bye. I didn't say. That was the nearest big your Dowell. But yeah. And I also just wanted to quickly touch on various Varis was one of the best characters. And he the thing I admired about virus. Is he hitting have a great life? Right. But he accepted the cards. He was dealt and he used them to the best of his ability. And he was quite malleable, which I guess some people won't like because he can change with the wind. But I appreciate it that self interest fueled him, and he was officially and what he did. So I I would be remiss if I did it mentioned him in this episode, but just in closing I do just want to mention that. I did watch gave a thirds didn't necessarily. I have a very addictive sort of personality. So when I watched something, I usually latch onto it. And I really didn't feel that we gave with. The best way. I can describe gave a third is. It's the gateway shirt for people that don't usually watch these fantasy type of Shire's. And I think that's the best way to describe it. Because they intensity is not at the level of other shows. The character development is not at the level of the other shows. And I think having the say of the seven kingdoms and trying to set the story it became a bit arduous, and it became a bit bloated because you needed to set the scene for so many kingdoms, but that's my closing thoughts. Do you have any? No, I enjoyed it. Watching it a second time. It's a well return show with a little bit of hope holes in there. Generally, a great entertaining show that anyone with a little bit of imagination could try and. Stories together and see how it all locks in on compete against yourself. And just see how many things you'd get right in trying to predict storylines and see how exciting to me, and I had a fun time watching in the second time and out probably continue reading the books after the last season. Well, I will decline that invite future perpetuity, sir. As per the name of our podcast. This is the foyer reference segment, sir. Earthy our recomend that you watch paddock us. Yes place. Just because it's it gives a different tone to the subtle journal and not find to see per se, but ancient times and it's full of action. It's full of the storytelling is great, and the camaraderie, and the Banta is why. Are the highest level able to see in any show? So it's a Cisco solid while show and Charlotte to any would fail who died after the forest probably during the second season all the waiting for him to recover, and it was what sad. And after that. I was hoped on just finishing it off for him, even though it dipped a bit, but the Fossey's on one of the best shows we've washed and his performance was amazing Saturday Sedley. Definitely give Sparkasse I've got to. Reference. Obviously, I do swing towards a Viking sort of tangents. Are I would recommend if you haven't watched Vikings on the history channel, you should give it a gar-? It's great. It does have a lot of ox. But as we all learn as quarter by earthy overs lead to category. So it is more of a cohesive story. And you get to know more about Regna and his sons and also his legacy. So that's the first one I would recommend the second series that I would recommend that you watch is the Korean drama on Netflix called kingdom. Yeah. You didn't think I will take the? So we're talking about battling for the third, and you also have supernatural elements of zombies essentially, so definitely give spot Vikings. And also came them a before we do finish. We didn't really talk about fears of the Las as and I know we're running out of time. I'm just going to say thirty seconds who I think is going to take the crown who I think and who will take the crown Tyrian motherfucking land star because someone that doesn't feel greed for power is who should be in the third. So I will say Tyrian often Gobi, John snow. Call it stressful. Here's while holding his boss. Yup. Yes. So there are guys we've made it through hurtful you've made it through as well if you had gave him firms fans, hopefully, we can still be friends off to this. Twitter and Instagram. We foyer ref pod. Also check out site, and you can Email us. Hello f y but Costa com. Winter is calm. See?

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Episode 37: And Then Our Family All Got Covid

Bowl of Life

53:10 min | 6 months ago

Episode 37: And Then Our Family All Got Covid

"Today on episode. Thirty seven of the podcast. My co host is back with me and we are going to talk while about something that has plagued us for over a year. Now cove it and we're gonna talk about it from a very personal viewpoint because and then we all got it. Yeah it's true. All of us are kids. Joe me we all got covid and we know that We feel very blessed that we would probably be even though we were really sick. Like we weren't supersonic like hospital sick so we could be at home so we feel very blessed in that regard but we do feel. I guess we felt that it was important because we know there are a lot of questions out there whether you've got it or not got it. It's interesting to hear how how it went for people and You know it's interesting talking to people. Some people have the same symptoms that giora had and even joined had slightly different symptoms. And so we just wanted to bring you our perspective and talk about on this episode episode thirty seven about and then we got co fed. So let's dive in time to adapt to plant based pallet minimize. Waste respect our environment. Hello we are. Joe and sara haden and we are the hosts of the bull of life. Podcast where we are encouraging you to join the plant forward food movement it star for bud ables to move from the saudi plate to center and we are here each week to help you do the increasing your vegetable consumption and limiting your animal proteins. Sounds like a win win to you. Go grab a spoon or fork. And let's dive into learning more about how you can be plant forward all right. Well we're back and joe you're back with us. You have covered the whole time right. You didn't have it for months. Did you know no. I mean that would that is my excuse. I use for everything right now. Like oh yes all right. How whole family. I'd cove it. Lost whole month feels like but no no okay. So you're not using that. Excuse for the lives. like. I can't even remember when the last time you my esteemed husband co host was on the five guys maybe january. Yes it's probably it but but maybe we can stretch the covid for excuses for stuff we don't wanna do for. I mean already. It was an excuse. You know like. I felt like you know it was like anything that i kind of wanted to get out of. It was like okay but you know there's code. We should worry about but knowledge it we can say right right yes yes and then we got covert and we did and now finally i mean we're just i mean just days out of what was you know we were feeling you know still a little bit off. You were earlier this week. Yeah you know. I mean so. We're we're we're still fresh out of it and yeah thankful to be done with that part hopefully Right yeah so you're you're four weeks out. What is probably. I'm three three weeks out. Well i think like while depending on how you look at like so the one week we had it and then you're three weeks recovery okay. One week i had it. And then i'm two weeks recovery out so yeah so basically march was a wash for us. Yes yes march. Was not my favorite month anyway in michigan because using crazy weather so it wasn't so bad to miss march good really yeah really good month to have i guess you know. Yeah she's still look back. Oh thanks. I stress of getting behind on things and is what. We'll dive more into that. But right yeah take back taking back the time line. Yes so you. you're the one who got it first. So listeners know on if they didn't get that from the four weeks out three weeks out but you were the one that got it first. So you know. I want to be upfront here in one. Say that Unless you personally you probably wouldn't know this about us by. We are a little bit germaphobe. Not so like crazy like person djerba. We understand there's germs in the world. You're going to get them blah blah blah blah. We've been plenty sick times from kids. Bringing home stuff strobe but we try to be careful you know. Yeah we'll you know. We like to clean with bleach and vinegar. I try to keep him very natural but at the same time you know we're always like you know sanitize zine and washing our hands and yeah you know being upfront with people if we have a cold we maybe shouldn't see you you know whereas some people don't really care about a cold maybe per se but we've always been kind of mindful of that mindful roy. Yeah so we'll be from with that but so we've been very careful during covert right. We barely gone out to eat. We've clear yeah. I mean so many times michigan has been closed anyway. But you know what i mean you know. People are going out the minute it opens up. And we're kind of like yeah. No thank you know big crowds for is you know. We've kept our circle small. We've kept it to family and only like maybe three sets of friends that we get together with right and we were at at home. A lot of it You know i've been going back to work for a while now but few days a week and trying to be careful where mask and five and six we home school. Our kids kids who live in milano. Nowhere yeah we live area But being circle bag you go back to work then. I go back to work right and as i mentioned i wear mask me and one other guy do was. We're a small place but right it's required a your workplace record. all there is. Is we check her temperature with one of those little. Scans things when we walk in. But those are not accurate. I know from experience of using those in the plastics field for years and anyway so And you know is what it is but we. Yeah even wearing a mask. Obviously i still got it. Got it fairly bad. There's one other guy. The headed worse at work other guys at had one shot. They were older. Maybe that help them. Don't know plane just other people. It did not bother them just the whole array of you. Don't know how it's going to affect you. Unfortunately it affected us. You know rather brother harshly. I mean obviously we are not in the hospital but it was probably the worst i've ever felt. Yeah and you know. Like i think the wink 'they period of time of links because yes right you know like we've been sick. You know we have kids. Humanist mentioned javed pneumonia and our kids are older. Now think is not as many germs. You know we're but when they were little. And i entering school there was some hard years. They're sick right but not sick. That'd be like one day. You know two days are cold. That was nad. Game the sinus infection and stuff like that It wasn't like downing out for the count for like a week. Right right in this bright in this plus a you know hitting everybody just drug on for weeks and yeah it's just it's just hard in in for me while so okay go through the timeline right star with when you found ow at west at it so i go in monday tuesdays and thursdays and i believe it was that thursday that i went in that i found out that a guy at work had it and he was not not there that day Housing him back. Well ahead i interact with. This wasn't the first time around. Christmas couple guys had it in the shop. Minute stayed with them They didn't get it didn't affect him very bad. They're actually brothers And that was it. No one else got it So then so there so this is this time. okay well. I talked to him a couple of times. I wear masks. Very careful That's about it but it. How many days had that been before doe probably early monday tuesday yeah brief conversations all right so but it turns out. That's not the guy that you think you got it. Well no no right. Because i'm much closer proximity other people that had it did not know they didn't have bad symptoms Still you know. We're coming to work knowing that they were sick with something But they may they thought cold right thought. It was gold right so anyway so yeah So then we're celebrating that weekend as a one year from being when we fruit when laterally celebrating there were like we made it through like Like ironically you every time this time of year like there's a maple sugar festival our nature center and that was kind of the marker of win. We kind of found out. Covert was hitting michigan was was a year year ago so more than a year ago and we had gone to that nature festival. Maple sugar festival and So anyways we're back at the nature center again. I mean they were handling things way different. This year is a little more secluded type tours. All outside no insight staff Well so we're kind of like made it a year now getting it you know and and yeah last this time. Were joe where they're like. Oh our son was asking about covy like oh well it's you know it's over in detroit and stuff fill you know. Do we need to worry about. It is a couple of hours from so flowers right right and we're like oh don't worry about it. Of course you know looking back said well traveled thousands of miles. And why wouldn't it come a couple of hours right. It's just a naive. You know like we live in this rural area. We live in this small town. Like whatever is not gonna big ori is you know so yes so we are back and we are going to that same event it saturday and so i wake up and we'd had a storm treat phone down the yard son an ira out cleaning that up. Cut some wood. I'm just dragging. And i'm just like tired after a long week Anyways kinda tired you know dragging from that like whatever go to the go to thing the maple syrup festival you know walking around hiking right. We weren't around people really this tour but we were outside and like very six feet. Apart and outside i think is the key. They're right and you know he's we do that. Then we'd come home that night and a right. I just can't get warm and would weird. I mean it was like it was cold colin. We're bring day for michigan. You know we had on like coats like not even winter coats just like spring coats go like maybe a warm hat and gloves right and i just can't. I'm just cold on. Who put on like long sleeved shirt and a sweatshirt and sitting on the couch and Just can't get warm and and just tired in zongcao just tired and so anyways go to bed to movie nelia. Let's just go to bed. Yeah i'm just done. And i've been outside all day. It's not unusual. I'm tired but anyway to get up the next morning and we have our. I go to get ready for. I run the video at church sometimes. Some early go get coffee. Take a from like yeah. This is just tasted like water. Like this isn't good for your tastes beds win that it was just so saturday. Feel a little tired cold. You know didn't think i was thinking not that much about it but anyway sunday morning own canton so i start eating some other food trying some stuff and orange disarm like okay. Gotta let them know like sums up you know but that's it i'm not you know i was a little tired right so anyways stay home obviously will then jump on like okay at already. Done a test before from the time in round christmas. So okay know what to do The local hospital can get quick. Get a test within twenty four hours So run over there get tested and come home and feel alright. Yeah this is a pretty normal day others taes cold that day two or no. I don't remember i the saturday in cold. I don't remember sunday being cold member. You mentioned in so so then so then comes monday and some already not going to work. 'cause i you know told them like getting a task can't taste you know just or call and waiting for just think okay should be should be here today. They're pretty quick before You're getting ready to go. Take the kids to the co op. The one day a week they go for the home school coop right. I mean it was legit like out of tv show or movie like we hotter shoes on backpacks. Everything like walking out the door. You're you're walking out the door. You're and i i check it and say yes. Posit a run over there. I'm like i have it. We're all just like oh okay. Whoa freak out right go okay. What time to reschedule every day. Cancel style do we have enough for them. They do have no food all the stuff what we can do. We're stuck. I have it you know at this point. It's been a couple of days. You know so we personally would just say. We didn't quarantine in the house. Quarantine me right. We aren't even exposed. Feel like it'd been exposed. Had that done. I don't know if that would done you know. I don't know day all can do speculate now at this point at this point still not feeling bad. I'm like well you know. I'm still so i work from home a lot the year before. Got all my stuff you know working. You know doing work right. You always bringing a home anyways with you. So it wasn't like hard. You already had like the stuff to plug in to the network. And all that. I mean just pretty much normal day. I don't have the test back so disproportionate and this like well. That's back overheads. Like okay housing. How's it going to hit us. You any right right. Yeah like will you get sometimes will you. Not don't i don't know right so so that's that day day. We just kids. Do we do schoolwork from home. We all work So then tuesday comes around and pretty good day. Like i was doing pretty good right. Yeah it seems like another normal day. Obvious i can work. I was feeling better less tired. Thought it was coming out of it. Right so it's okay. Hey maybe this is too bad. You know we're already a few days in the so then wet wednesday. You're okay. Wednesday to is gorgeous spring. It was like okay so this is probably where the fog comes in rights along with my days. And i don't remember right. You had the brain fog. Really bad and i still get confused. What days were good and bad right and wednesday. It was beautiful. You went outside a lot with the kid play and do stuff and Right so we're looking awfully man. This is this is good. You know isn't going to be too bad right. So then thursday rolls around and the weather's changed which is funny will explain why by but i'm not wake up. The fog is so that's was. My gauge is how a wake-up that was always wake up and say oh. Do i feel good or bali. No and for me it was like home ahead was just like i just can't think right this brain fog thing and it's like man. This is worse than what i've had. I had some some meetings lined up online things like man. I've got this at one of the. I just gotta make it at you know. Get through this at one and once at roll around. Tony guys like hand is i knew all sick byles as we just gotta get through this and go through got through it ok within. I texted own of our places. Like i'm done you know. Don't they can't do anything more than can't just done right like i. I'm out for the next couple of days. Yeah yeah. I can't folk fever though to your fever started but it i mean ninety nine right it. Never roy's ninety nine point one or something like mirrors. Is you right. But so that's probably you know contributed as well to the not feeling while and Yes and but then. So you're not feeling. Wow you're foggy your that. We're having this crazy well. Normal michigan weather change. It's super windy with like really high gusts of wind her neighbors tugs ties late in the afternoon. Hey you're champollion is in our guard right. Yeah so. I always been sleeping and act to the phone. Rain woke me up and as the house this weird like. Why isn't you know is a neighbor calling me like you know we talk. But and then i'm just like at this point you know i'm i'm not even like texting that much. People are taxed which appreciate the concerns but overwhelming to even try to do anything like it got overwhelming for me to and didn't even say you know it's just. There's so much going on in at at this point it's like a. I'm just happy to go. Brush my teeth. Maybe take a shower. That was the goal that you weren't really eating anymore. Thursday like you you know like a appetite lies pride due to the fever and right right now. All this anyway yeah. We had to rescue the trampoline. And i'm not sure. How joe did that. It was like superhuman strength. Thi- we carried the trampoline back to our yard. Roy author yeah anchor down like pull logs over to like and cement still like a fog at this weird thing that happened like this thing sailed like yards like fifty over by trees over a log pile. I don't know how it did. And i don't know how you were able to get it back to our yard too with me. It was like super strength. Definitely yeah you're done after that was spent in just for days than it was just like don't want to eat. It's such a job to do anything. you know it was a way just didn't even feel like watching out. Try to watch something at night but most of the times to say man you stare at the wall. Like if i'm awake. I don't know it's the weirdest thing right right. I remember during that time like iowa starting to schedule on me and the kids to get because we could be tested at ten days you know when we were going to be out of quarantine to see if we had covert or not and so i was scheduling the appointments and it was kind of confusing and i'm like donate home insurance end. Do i not. I don't really understand. I'm trying to ask you these questions. you're dislike. I don't know i can't see you can. I'm just like you're no used to me right now. Figure this out. Yeah i remember. I can't i can't even think about this like you're totally delight like legit. That's what he was. I'm not. I'm not making up like little like trailing off a voice because that's how you like i just i saw. It was thing but so then like friday saturday. Your temperature was consistent. You're pretty much out of it. Yeah yeah sleeping ally right. Yeah in you know. I would and then when you're awake it is. I don't know you can't do anything right so might as well go back sleep. Yeah so then. Well yeah and then. During the time we bright i was. You are starting to feel colder right. Yes it probably that saturday so that was probably your worst day. Was that saturday you know. Saturday comes around and you know kind of the work week so over school weeks over so you know the kids and i are gonna be loud so i told you go. Lay down and bad. Like don't out here on the couch and get stuff done and you just slept like all day We went to the park. We did that but as a little sinuses. And i thought well okay. It's it's march little early for allergies By you know whatever like i'm sinus all time. We live in west michigan. It's kind of the thing michigan. You have sinus issues so Some mention that to write the next day he bitch like. Hey mom do you feel like. You're a little sinus congested Has those same issues as me. And i was like. Yeah i do. I feel like i kinda add like fantasy Now the interesting theme on that saturday night so you still like you actually seemed a little bit better after sleeping all day you did actually watched tv on the couch Yeah so you seemed a little bit better. And i was playing a game with hunter. And you know it'd been a long we you know as you know as parents you know you really rely on each other and so when you're kind of a one man show. It's stressful week. Plus i been like kinda in the back of my mind. Like i should really work ahead and really get stuff done or even like meal. Prep muffins and stuff. Like that for the kids. In case i get sick. So i always like playing a game hunter having a glass of wine and all of a sudden i remember thinking. This wine doesn't taste the same. And i love red wine. It's like my thing. If you know me. I love love. Love a glass of red wine and so for me to be like This pace really kind of strange with kind of a little flag. So i didn't really say anything and eventually after that i just got really tired and let's just like i'm just going to go to bed so we went to bed and then the next day i woke up just has splitting headache but again this is kind of normal for me I had my car proctor. Who i found out actually had go bid had kind of been rescheduling my appointments because she had had it the same week as you think and Sounds like well. it's gotta be it like. I need a chiropractic adjustment issues. This wouldn't plan vase Scientist took some ibuprofen and it was like okay. I'll feel better but the weird thing was like. I just kinda powered through that sunday. Because i wanted to clean the house. Busted my butt to do that. But i was just like really hot. All it was just so warm and it wasn't like extremely warm day outside. I mean it was nice. But i was just like really hot all day so that was kind of red flag like okay. I think i'm coming down with us but you woke up that day in your fever broke. Okay that was that was on sunday. Yeah you woke cop. And you're like. I haven't taken ibuprofen. I've normal temperature okay and it was like right right. Things are progressing and one point but obviously that point. Yeah you're getting sick right. I mean you still laid around all day. You arrested like i sat like i. A you know did that thing. I don't know if it super bombs drink get or whatever. I clean the whole house. You push through push through made food meal preemptive and just thought okay like i'm okay. Okay okay. i don't know god that i don't have this. I'm not taking my temperature. Which i did not day i thought about it. I did not do it right. But i remember. I do remember you keep saying like oh this kind of like a feels like just a scientist thing coming on you know that like an irish murphy thinking like the timing of it all and it affects people differently. I'm just in my mind like no way but kept having the whole because you had been so sick the year before we have similar similar sometimes for three day. Maybe you already had it right. There's always a hope in the back of her mind right. That was my hope to naively. I thought as well why am based. I'm super healthy. I don't eat meat or dairy. You know. I think that will protect me right right. And that's hope right is that okay. Well we live as healthy as we can. Do you know that would help us against things but obviously this this thing i mean it just doesn't there's no rhyme or reason we'd have had don't know 'cause definitely people you look around and people that it's hit hard and not hit hard just like it just doesn't it has no effect on how healthy you are right like obviously if you're outerly are have a pre existing condition it's different but like if you're you're our age you know. Does you know like it's just interesting. How the how. The cards fall and Anyway so that. Monday rb really cold lake so sunday. I'd thought maybe. I was coming down with something and then monday came. And i i mean. I got up and i didn't work out though i know feeling. Okay but Here i am doing burke's and this high hit you know work. How pliers type. Workout and I didn't take my sweatshirt off. I had a long sleeved shirt or white so You know someone's going on there. You know like your exuded your haaretz getting up that i you know i called person but not what. We're you know like that. So yeah thou a little like And then at breakfast thanks still tasted okay. Like besides that one wine thing Things were tasting okay But i drink my smoothie and maria. Try and talk to me and i was kind of like i'm really cold because it is strength. This movie which normally happens normally algebra gold but as is like freezing and then i took a shower and i didn't even warm up and then i was trying to help the kids with school and like we have a little space heater downstairs. 'cause little cold where they do their school and i was like sitting on top of the space heater i was so cold and yes then it hit about lunchtime ate lunch and then after eight lines as of can watch all. I think i should take my temperature. Something's off right right. Yeah so yeah. I remember that because i was had this whole setup got the temperature thing like okay well here. Here's the little. Yeah i did are liable temperature thing. Even though we have an ear thing is kids thermometer. thou barks kind of annoying. It's like okay. You rely able cheapest thermometer by it was like really it was the best i mean. It was accurate. It was acurite so anyways i took it was one hundred one. Oh always i can't love yes and all sudden it's like are any calls at obviously we really now. We weren't going out but then also like okay. I'm getting better. getting sick. Go now started to panic about everything right because you know it's just like we're gonna do. We're going to eve of yeah. Yeah yeah so you know. I remember sleet sleep. I slept a lot that day. And i think even bits kind of the mild headaches. Actually i do remember now. I kind of forgot about this. That i texted you to bring me some ibuprofen and you were like out riding bikes or something and the mild headaches started. That's right that's right. Yeah because i was starting to feel pretty good now though our the kids. Yeah that's right and you text me. I was like oh hey could you sleep in our in our bedroom like all for quite a while right. Yeah i slept all. I like listening on one call. That i had was in a very like. I didn't have to participate in the call but Yeah and then. I just slept in slept and saved and slapped. I just remember waking up at different periods and a little sister was texted me. Chuck on me and stuff and i remember being like i'm so hot like to so warm. All over like was weird. Because i'd been so cold. I'm just buried up. I'm burning like i'm so hot that's interesting. How differently head cold part. I never got the burning up and you had the headaches and we both had the nausea thing like you had a lot longer right Yeah it was weird. Yeah yeah then. Tuesday rolled around and we were like well might as well go get. These cova tasks that we already had. Obviously i have it on but let's go get those and actually thought okay which was weird for like the next two days after the really high fever i would have this fever. That came in in went it my my while and actually i was still wearing a fever because usually i run like ninety seven by by normal standards my temperature would go down to like ninety eight point something and then like couple hours later i would go back up to one hundred and then it would go back to ninety eight but i know well enough we went to do. The ties was pretty good day. It's pretty good dass outside and worked for a couple of hours. Yeah i really feel like eating now much and stuff did started like just not sound good like food wise like it was really weird like nothing sweet. All of a sudden smoothies you know so Anything sweet to sound gross. But i fell. Okay pry that tuesday and wednesday which was great because in the middle of all this everybody. We got a puppy us so that was all in the works. God deliver to us in a very safe manner. You know no interaction type of thing but yes we had been planning to get. Get the puppies and back from miley grove. We get sick yes. Oh yeah tuesday wednesday early morning. Thank god we're filling okay because this puppy arrives at our house at four. Am in the morning his transport service. Yes the craziest thing ever especially when we're all sick and yes in a fog. But but we love timmy. And he's so cute and something for the kids to do. They did all of his training. So that's good our continual training that ob and in the midst of this Filling okay though until pry thursday says so you so this is the thing right and for that from other people. You have the dive down. Also think you're coming out of it. Maybe you're having a couple days where it's coming out bam bam out. Yeah yeah. And then i was out like my fever was consistently out of hundred even if i took ibuprofen and I just i just didn't fill guide you know but that wasn't the worst of it. That wasn't the worst habit alike sunday. So would been. I thought the one said they. I probably had it but was feeling okay. So seven days later this bad bad headache kids me is so bad like migraine territory headache where you know. I took six ibuprofen instilled in touch. It is not see all the just laid in bed so much into had my eyes closed. I was trying to like visualize out one point my headache just leaving me. That did not work so for some reason we had some bad sunday. Because i had a bad sunday you had a bad. Yeah it was just bad. Yeah i just remember that day. Like like just i was just trying to get everything done around the house. But the yeah was laying on the couch different points and i can hear the tenths in your voice. You're trying to clean the house. Just worried like oh my gosh. This is so like sarah so bad right. Now and yeah. He's just a freaking out about everything. Yeah like i remember. I got up at one point that day to help. Peyton makes guacamole tortilla chips. And ooh that was a struggle lake. I stuffed like assam gluten free toasts with some peanut butter down. And then you know. I helped do that and it just like just took everything in me to do that and then i was like talking. That was all you did it for that day and it was bad in the headache and the headache stayed for a while. But but i did notice that. My fever broke in like middle of the night. 'cause i remember waking up and being hot which was weird so after my initial like really warm than the cold set in again okinawa. All the time. Like legit wearing sweatpants long-sleeve shirt sweatshirt and like three blankets on me to bed. Like i was still not warm. So i remember waking up in the middle of the night sunday night monday morning. Some i don't know i didn't look at the clock but And i was. I was warm from close and it was like okay. I think we were broke. Oh oh yeah and it. I did so monday morning. My favorite broke Stuck with u right. You still ahead like didn't want to eat and you had the bad headache right in. The most i can say is like for a week after you know what they would probably say. You're okay your symptoms. 'cause you're you're broke The most i like had this weird it felt like morning sickness. So if your mom out there and you've ever had morning sickness with any of your kids. That's what it felt like for me for like a week after. Like i would just be nauseous like half the day and just you know. Coffee tasted awful. Smoothies sounded bad. Fruit tasted weird unless it was like really like like apples tasted okay but bananas tasted like super swede like to eat a banana. I would like slathered. peanut butter. Make it worth savory and Yeah even today even just today so the day were recording us. This will be released in a couple of weeks but the day we are recording. This i finally said oh. Watermelon tastes normal. Right things are but yeah. It's it's a slow kind of a slow process for you right in you tired for like two weeks after those thing i yeah i would definitely sleep more at night than the normal ya. Oh it's still my. And i don't think i still think things tasted odd. I remember still come any last week on certain things. Maybe we grilled or out. Be like man you know. Just don't feel like. I even fully taste certain things right right so it took good couple weeks hour. So if you experience the symptoms. It's the you know. That's the caveat there like if you have the actual symptoms the fever. The headache the foggy the those type of things then they does seem to linger on weeks and some people. We know i mean. Thank god that you have your taste back people. We no yeah. Don't mind your nephew still doesn't fully have it back. And he had a november dr. Yeah i know. I mean yes thankful for how we got through it. You know our kids right right question. Everybody wants to know your kids test. Positive right right and they did and it hit him hard for like one day right. They all slept hunters slapped. So that's our sign. He's eleven so he slept and had very low grade fever. Like ninety nine for right for one bruins. In any his case he had mentioned to me he felt coltish. He mentioned like about the sinuses lake. I feel like. I have some science going on like and then our daughter. They came on fast leg. I mean not like bad fat like she seemed coolish. She seems stuffy. All of a sudden one night seem stuffy and she just kind of seemed like really tired. And i was like you know. Take your temperature. I must've feel okay. So timothy was like ninety nine three so again very low so we gave somebody. Yeah we gave them ibuprofen and she woke up. She's gonna next year. Didn't see us that they were you know and she never lost taste or anything like that so hunter just lost taste for a couple of days but they they were okay and Good now we can say we all add it so we fall into the ninety days of being protected or whatever they right yeah now. It's like what do we do. You know as far as you had he get the shoddy not be in. You know pressure at work like okay. We should everyone should should get it Some people at work had already had one child with thought. You know probably may be helped them. They were older. who knows. yeah so yeah now nelson. So i don't know what do we do. It doesn't seem real clear I feel like logically. You know like when you get sick. Use your body recognizes that illness the her and you may get it again by. You may not because your body says. Hey yeah get outta here. You know like those bad cells. Come in all i could think about is like this curious george episode of remember that one curious george gets sick and like like he's crazy dreams and like all like this one group of germs is talking to the good cells and the good cells are like get out of here. We don't want you here. No you're not part of the bobby the viruses. We want here. You know so. It's like that's i like. Imagine this happening in my body if i were to counter the cova germ game and That my body is going to be like. Hey you're supposed to be here through a better. Yeah so so yeah so. I think that we have came to a consensus as a couple that you know. Least we're gonna just wait ninety days and then revisit giving him the vaccine again. Roy might as well because it does seem information out there right now now this could change different variants or whatever but current information does say like ninety days. You should be okay roy. That's what i keep saying. Yeah and i actually had it scheduled last week i got act work was that we're all week Ah better schedule it. I want a bunch. Other people were doing like wait. Wait wait you think about this. I just had it. Is it really necessary. And yes so then. I canceled it. Yeah yeah so see ya. That leaves that leaves us here. We're better now now. Right now feels like a little you know. Thankfully it was marsh now out a little bit of a scramble of you know just feel like you had catch back up but anyways yeah all all that say yeah we at golden then we all go answ. Yeah that's what happened. That's what happened is saying and that was our experience and so what did did you learn anything from it. Do you think. I feel like you know a lot of precautions and i think i still gonna live the same way you know. It didn't didn't protect us from it. You know try to be healthy. Tried we clean you know. Just be smart things. Most of the time that works. This didn't i'm not going to change. I'm not going to change the way. Do things you know right. Yeah you know. Just take care of myself and You know i'm just going to keep trying to live live healthy right. I think you know little parties a little like oh while at least i don't have it hanging over my head now roy right. I went through it. If i were to get it again. I know it expect you know. Now it's like okay. Well okay like. I don't have any. I don't have dangling in front of me as a fear anymore. That's a good point. You know that that's a good thing Yeah it's not like one of those like oh god. I'm so scared of getting it. Because i don't know how i'm gonna react. Okay i got it. I know i'm gonna how. I'm gonna react hopefully next time. It would react less or the same right you know. That's the kicker you don't know when you get sick but Hopefully you know your body has built up a little bit of immunity and another interesting thing that And i mentioned to you the other night and you just kind of laughed at. You're like us glad you found something positive out of this ways. I'm very routine person. Everybody knows that. I love just like even the same things probably the same certain times but i had been feeling lately that i need you to switch some certain routines up kinda had been pushing back internal leave resistance wise To be like no. I don't want to change the foods i eat or whatnot. I like eating these certain things but I felt like it did kind of changed my perspective on that because all of a sudden it was like oatmeal sounds disgusting. You don't wanna eatable meal for lunch because that sounds like the worst thing in the world with a fruit So i did have to change that. Rather quickly that that was interesting to do but I think it was a welcome change for myself. Because i had already been kind of thinking about it and i think it is helping me. Listen to my hunger cues a little bit better And be okay with that like even chocolate after lunch the other day which is very not be right so and not ask baggies route. That's positive for me for me. That's huge with my journey. And everything and the big thing and i can get onto that in a different episode someday but Positive thing yeah. So that's some positive things to be like okay like you're breaking out of these maybe odd food rights and Yeah anyway so that's positive self roy. No that's good to look right. I mean we gotta look at all experiences things we go through. Okay what what do we you know what comes out of it. What what good can we find in it right. I mean hard. Yeah don't understand that. Sometimes they play. Why why did that happen. You know the kid that's why it will get sick. Yeah i mean so k. What did we learn. What what can we do different. This stuff's going to happen right. And i mean another positive. Yes it was crazy to get a puppy right then and there but we were all home. We could all dote on head focused. I'll love on hand. And kind of get him transitioned into being part of our family and he's the poppy and he's just like he's a jack apu so he's like a tiny puppies four pounds and so he's like cuddly loving the sleepy and like you know. I slept a lot with him when i was sick. If i was on the couch. And i i don't think that would have been the same to have that little bonding experience with the puppy at the wonder seeing other people by you know laugh at that by. He's like a little baby and like it was kind of fun to have that bonding experience of being with him. And i don't think i wouldn't have done that if i wasn't sick because i'm not a sit down person working doing something. Yeah so there's another positive. It's good to see those things right. Good right perspective south. that's it. that's it about that. And then we all got cova and did and install and that was our experience but we would love to know your experience if like. Oh my gosh. I resonate with joe. I had the foggy nece. It was awful or you resonated with me about the headaches Yeah just send us the direct message on any of our social media platforms. You can find us at bad to the bowl again. That's at bad to the ball and we would just love to hear. Your experience has ron's journey together. It's been a nutty year continues to be nutty but You know we hope you're doing well. We hope that if you have had kobe you did not have a guide and Yeah we just wanted to share a journey with you. So i'm not sure what the show notes we'll look like for this episode. We will have schotz. You can find them over. I bad to the bowl. Dot com forward slash. Thirty seven again. That's bad to the bowl dot com forward slash. Thirty seven and. Hey you're over there on the websites. Go ahead check it out. Check out some of the plan based recipes. 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On the Table Gaming Episode 57: 1.5 Panic Changes and Targaryen Tactics with Brett Lanpher and Kolin Kliosis

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On the Table Gaming Episode 57: 1.5 Panic Changes and Targaryen Tactics with Brett Lanpher and Kolin Kliosis

"On the table podcast about board games card games and tabletop games. All right welcome back to episode fifty seven of the on the table gaming podcast and today I'm joined with our Gen con twenty nine hundred champion. Brett lanphier thanks for combat. And now for the first time on the podcast but someone that I've I've had the pleasure working with for quite some time. Now is Colin Colossus. He he is are on the table gaming editor for the website. So Collin thanks for coming on. Hey thanks for having me on. I thought before we get into talking about the target Aaron's which was kind of the big news who's a few days ago we did have last night a new drop about the one point five updated panic rules and so the now panicked tests are being made by rolling two six along with a single d three view failure panicked test instead of taking the difference between that number and your morale stat instead you take d three whatever the value is on that day three plus one in wounds I thought maybe we just get a quick discussion about that and then what your initial take is yeah. What do you think as a Lancaster player? especially if I think it's crazy I think the initial reaction is going to be where people Remember The Times that they wiped out Abe raiders. Panic Pass Ryan the. They're going to think this dooms there and they're I have you actually crunched numbers I think on an average the lancasters are gonNA deal more damage with fan. I think the big thing is some of the targets that we're kind of a a no no not open season so it's worth taking a shot with seriously on the crown at a dog because if they fail by one actually automatically dead and then Oh man and just thinking back to an episode. We had not too long ago. We had some of our star players on lamenting. Isn't that great. How the starks? Just had all these major changes with the wolves and we tend to play the most myself. We gotta change that looks. It's GonNa be a major faction attribute of ours and then next thing you know. We're actually stronger. Yeah I mean I think that's one of the big things that maybe people are. Misinterpreting carpeting is that. I think it does change the game a lot but I I think you hit the nail on the head. There is that now actually. In many cases it makes sense to for example. Sarah see the crown an elite unit and get if they fail by one. They're taking a significant amount of node. D three plus one moons on a more expensive unit. That's that's great took on with Jon. Snow veteran no everybody likes you. Managed to engage them while they're on a two point objected. It's worth taking a shot with a check to to draw a rank off because plus one. There's a pretty good chance you're up to your four off then you might contest that objective in deny him the score and he wouldn't have the opportunity to heal if you did it at the end of the round. So right there's there's definitely some There's nothing licensed awesome stuff that can come up and I think even even anybody without it's worth a shot I mean they're five four three or two from the crown and then the d three one so right pushing for Bob role anymore you can you can shop a free player like there might be times when I wanNA take the crown this unit because I might be more successful pushing through damage on the morale than hitting with a few raider attack route on actually interesting. Because I'm sure that it's a coincidence that I've had a chat with some of the other guys on on the table gaming regarding the clowns zone and how it's Maybe it needed rework because it's not really good for anybody outside of Lancaster breathy when they want to control the crown but But the I changed that up I think I think Devarajan everybody and Chase Donald loop back around really quickly something you mentioned about the free folk one of the biggest aspects about this that I was thinking about something that I wrote When we wrote that editorial the other night is just the effect that this is going to have on giants for free so players before I mean they at grounds apt? They may lose a wound or two on occasion if surveys on him as well but now since they're having a role in these are auto wounds that are going to bypass that to to wounds per actual giant wound. The giants already Stephen. There's a pretty good chance you could take out entirely with one panic test so yeah and I think in a weird way like I'm kind of okay with that like I. I like the idea of air sea or units with vicious like. That's their role now like they really. They don't take out like the chaff. Eunice necessarily their focusing on and dealing with these high target are high priority targets. Just it seems that seems cool to me on the Colorado saying I think we talked about my love of paid mutiny as a solo killer. Well you can You can remotely kill a giant before for anything if you will be popping. Here's and hit him with the car and he takes two or three wounded and then you can finish them off a pay me. It's it's a pretty interesting actually you. May maybe I take that back. Maybe I'm not as okay guy. Ads Great but is this also in a weird way a A buff to healing effects as well whereas you know. I'm thinking of for Free Folk. If a champions of bone every time and engaged enemy fails a panic test the unit unit may restore up to two wounds. When I was potentially taking you know eight wounds from panic failed panic tests? Getting to back wasn't much but when it's cap that you know d three three plus one getting to wounds back periodically. That seems kind of appealing. Yeah absolutely at this point. You're essentially trading him back and forth as either the black or the followers of bone by forcing the unit to take a panic attack test before to tax. You now for me. I think the follows a bone. I think I actually a huge buff with this but no Brett Lancaster player. I guess call on as well you know. I know a lot of people and we're trying to work black guard into their list. A lot of people are panicking right now. Did did the Black Guard get worse or actually better with this chain. Better definitely data. Yeah laughter's actually up to Randy into anthony or who can in turn that into the three pop group and then obviously having fiercely new can modify that test and it's they're cutting down now you'd have to have a great role but you could you twelve we with the back and then the You got you got you more so I think blogger already intriguing and a lot of people like them before work but I think now you're gonna see them. I WANNA be a stable into and why wouldn't they be so bread. Add a little trouble and say. Did you mention putting Taiwan in the black guard. I did I mention back to Michigan up. It's more there's change change even more appealing. Because now you've got a human you put seriously on that unit. You've got a panic on check it negative to before you get to attack. And then if they pop their coney check they trigger supremacy at a modest floor. So it's pretty nasty. Let's say they're setup to attack attack the route you sir C bomber. Move Sir C. That's that's essentially. What three panic checks in the space? So what do you say that I did get a few direct messages. Shout out to people engaging I love getting you a few people concern like hey my friend just bought into the game. They got their forces. And I'm worried that they're going to stop playing now because of these changes. That just happened. What really who are really scared about this seems to me? This is the best time for them because they would have known anything previously. So they're coming into it brand new and learning the game with the new mechanics how I agree on and I think some of the veterans. I've mentioned this already but I think we we have to not even get into the habit of thinking well under the old rules this would have been seven wounds. But now it's only three I I I think just abandoned that mindset and you just go with what it is now because if you crunch the numbers at like I said on average they're going to be taking more and They're just going to be able to spread out of your panic. Mata hires instead of focusing. You don't need a minus ten anymore. You don't need searcy vicious rear. Plus it hear me roar you can say that hear me roar for another on and maybe you can make them pay. Check their where you would have just stopped to hear the ruling to try to 'cause I six seven eight wounds but there's there's any of that anymore. Though for the veteran players are just going to have to get past psychology. I remember all the times when that one panic test won them. The game of other players. Remember The Times panic test. Lost them the game when their guys it's break. He's mentioning averages and I think that's the most important thing to really focus on if this this keeps the game focus list more around averages and then therefore focussed around the tactics playing and not just relying on those occasional lucky fantastic guys rolls did end up turning the whole the the game from a loss to win or vice versa feeling it also makes it a little bit more predictable now and so you can plan your strategy. He's better and you can still push through damage still still ways to do a tremendous amount of damage adding morale damage onto it. But you know you don't have to suddenly have your whole thing in fall apart because you rolled double ones and yeah you know you lost your entire start Bowman unit Wound or something or and I loved it as pushing some of the named characters into Morphou. Immune ascendancy so that there's more of a need for them those characters that are going to force an extra two wounds from a failed panic chest D. characters that are going to gain from panic tests. Absolutely I agree I think stalwart which was already pretty important is even even more important now because again on the averages panic pets that unit is GonNa take you're gonNA hopefully Mitigate some of that damage throughout the game and So I think the guard pop in and the order in general at any cost is is just as important as it ever was so oh yeah ultimately good things and the rest of these one point. Five changes unit updates any other rulebook. Changes are going to be out on December ninth. So that's not too far are from now. Be Right after packs unplug so that national championship. That weekend is going to basically be the last one point four event Before we're into the new new modes and released. It was a huge surprise. I kept thinking January January January. Yeah well I want. I know that they have not announced any unit releases for the month of December. And I I don't know I'm not a I don't own a store. I'm not a distributor but maybe it's kind of a common thing to not have release in December and so maybe this is kind of that filter for that. Ah I think from what I've heard. They tend to to not really release much in December but speaking of coming releases in January is going to see target and we talked about last episode about there was some interesting releases in the APPS but then it wasn't in the APP and now we actually have the Tar Garin faction all the cards updated officially in the APP for everyone to have and the taxes cards are looking very good they look really good. I am a trepidation. I'm you know like the morale is GonNa help my raiders last little bit longer and I'm not sure it's GonNa matter against some of these courses so I thought maybe we talk about the Tar Garin taxes cars just in general the general ones first and then talk about cal Drago and your more Mont and there's specific cards as well so one of the things that I I have noticed that there are out of the cars they have there are four that rely on the maneuvers zone. So as a whole the faction is is very tied to maneuverability on the tax zone and I said all cavalry starter set. They're already going to be pretty zippy But the first car I WANNA look at was Just their basic overrun right now. This isn't necessarily a new card. But when a friendly combat unit destroys an enemy with a male attack instead of maneuvering they may pivot and then make a free charge action if you control the maneuvers zone. They get plus two to its charge. Distance roles commanded the Except for they've Fibrillation is the maneuvers zone. Instead of being a hockey game we already know that. This is the Nasty Card Hunker Games and all cavalry force. I mean they're going to be charging. From what is that like fourteen inches away or something he on broken glitch you from eighteen. Without any of the movement Bob because maneuvers correct and unsettled All right six yeah and potentially six plus a d six plus two. Yeah and I believe they have some way to increase their movement as well yeah. They're they'll have long long long struggling ruins a pretty intimidating. They're very very fast. And then a Grad sorry. Sorry I mean any any car just universally that gives you the ability to get an extra attack out of activation is always going to be fantastic. And the Knicks took obviously anybody. Who's played over those doing I in in the charge A Lotta Times if your opponent isn't ready for it and if they're battle lines aren't setback approach for a free charge. Probably somebody and it's just downhill from there. Then we got hit and run. After Friendly Combat Unit completes a melee attack that you make a free retreat action and automatically counts as rolling a six for their retreat distance. If you control the maneuvers zone any enemy see they disengaged from also becomes weakened yet so these pinball cards are also just really strong. I mean this gives you the ability you get a flame charge off play hit and run you a retreat to the side. Get behind their lines. And then you have pretty much carte blanche to do whatever you want after that and just the thing is with a small a small force I mean there's not that many units in the starter set. You can hit forty points just with the tiger bigger inbox itself but you've got multiple units engaged in the U.. Dropping a lot of weaken tokens. And we'll talk later on about how you know there's some way convert tokens in this faction as well so the crazy thing with this card and I know this from playing rob start a little. But he was one of my favorite commanders. You've got veterans that eventually eventually charged with four right. You've got charging Bali so you start your round and you you pick charging Bali and you shoot you charge. Then you play hit. And Ron can doubt back behind their lines and you. You haven't even activated yet so then you could use that. What does that you that lets you potus lets you then ticket activation at the very end of all this chain as well. Oh yeah so they can get behind A line of inventory very very easily and At that point you have to react to that and I think you have to turn around so that you're not charged and the entire bottle run as a man so I was getting so excited with a one point. Five changes for the Lancaster Habat ears. I'm like Oh yeah they're coming back here uh-huh and maybe maybe now with this new start. Maybe this isn't the exact moment to feel. The Halbert is actually actually A frightening to this Army because they're they have no defense In the box of the four and We've we've talked to him. The models and the cousin Indian I played against twice and There's definitely a learning curve. They are very fast and they do get hard but they can't afford to be bogged down at all so it's not it's not all doom and gloom they. They are very good. It was kind of like getting used to playing with the With the free folk when they first came out except you know they had the giants had something that had a little bit of staying power. But but even then I mean if you weren't careful with the army mostly composed of raiders. There's travelers they're gonNA melt. I'm just like I'm not a super competitive player but it took me a long time with free folk to get even just to the point. Where are it wasn't set up my army okay? Now my opponent gets to pick one of my things anything wrong it dies and now I get to fight you thought of trying to like pin down if this is going to be a an exciting. Learning Opportunity was interesting. If you think about it is that so we had the free folk and nightwatch released pretty close to which other kind of the counter factions. They had kind of the same mechanics as Athens and target areas. You had your one. TANKEEA faction are sticks around rounded. Then you're one very maneuverable of running around kind of like different mechanics. I actually have to totally agree with that. Because wrapping have have have the tools to slow down and basically mitigate a target charge with the the master wardens so they wouldn't get flank career or charge bonuses and then they're probably holding high on her and then they're not going to be able to charge order product the point on yeah and not to mention the fact so let's say they're planning on playing overrun. They hit a unit of stagnates. And you play last stand and all of a sudden you've you've got seven is coming right and just taking it down and so they can charge again with overrun. They managed to live through it but they may only have one when left after well. We'll get this cars. They can use to deal with that before we get to. That unstoppable advance at the start of a friendly turn. Attach this car to a friendly combat unit until the end around wall attached this unions plus one movement ignores dangerous hindering and rough terrain keywords and cannot suffer disorderly charges. Oh Oh my gosh you know. Plus what who've been is nice ignorant train is another way of adding movement and uh but not being able to suffer disorderly charges no hidden traps. No you know what Robb Stark Shenanigans begins. Nothing around my God. Yeah Yep so play this then you start playing playing hit and run overrun. I mean you're all over the board all over and correct me and my mom her influence or into you get moving and that's tax it's ridic- senior reason. Why wouldn't where the rebel light works? They gotta build like Extra Long Doth Raqi rulers where it's like your irregular mortals us. This we use an eighteen inch. Actually we've got a good point. They can move earlier than the standard. You're yes and then. We got swifter treat. After friendly combat units attack with melee that unit immediately make a free we retreat action if you can pull them in zone one enemy they disengaged from Suckers d three wounds so even when they're running away they have potential either. They're killing people. Oh yeah and it's GonNa make it really hard because I mean but they're not gonna be able to really one shopping. I think I think the idea is depending on where the unit and then send your buddy into finish him off on a car. That's not that's not going to be super easy to do because if you're talking about infantry presumably going to retreat harder than the infantry can chart run this is GonNa be one of the situations I can only predict where I'm going to try and kill a unit with a giant. They're not GONNA die. They're going to retreat using this killing my giant and then like retreating into position where. They're ready to charge on their activation back this. Here's something else to think about. There's nothing that's preventing the target Arians from using a you're a you're neutral units so you could throw any unit aflaid men and with this army that can benefit from all of these collective cards and has the benefit of a really really hefty armor class. Even after the one point point five changes cameron brought played in in our very last game and They they go really well with that army because if they give you a solid solid anger for it but it's actually a really mobile appointed and when it's easier to sit in their air easier to fit in there actually left the The veterans that come in the ball they serve a different role but they definitely have a place in the army so yeah played. Amen being able to ignore the key words hindering rock damn dangerous. You can't really use the clothing down or anything imagine putting like a screamer co in them giving them sundering as well as a vicious. Aw Oh my gosh out. Now you're starting feeling we've also got fire and blood. When a friendly combat unit successfully flee charges choose one this attack gains precision or hits from rolls of six do not allow defense saves or the attack gains vicious? And then if you control the Maneuver Uber Zone you get to use both so fire and blood. This is crazy powerful and flexible art. Raymond La Phone where they got political blow and precision like made for units with physical blows thick. They become to that. Don't allow defense. It say it's actually really interesting. The thing I'm noticing that the DADS are taking some of these key words and Kinda carrying them out. I think precision started with Ogle Yarwood commander card hard now. It's popping up here so I think it's I think we're spending all week long. One of our key words like sundering vicious and and then fury of the dragon when you claim attack zone of tactics board replaced the fact with one friendly combat unit make one free maneuver or retreat action and then until the end of the round each time a friendly combat unit successfully charges the defender becomes panicked or vulnerable. Double your choice. Well does universally useful. I mean you're going to be charging so much. This army anyway. You're you're just GONNA toss tokens out all over the place then if you've got a joy mormons out there. Also any of those tokens you throw out. Even if you throw out a panic but say you suddenly need Gullible Google. Now you got it. This is that good right. It's like not one of the I'm thinking like it was just good on paper and on the on the table. Well you won't get every charge or whatever because it just seems really really nice. It's incredibly good. It's incredibly good in. It's incredibly powerful on. This is going to be a card. That will probably draw out a lot of various token Yeah because retreat is actually one of the most underrated Actions in the game a well-timed retreat is a good general. Maybe his best tool. So they're going to be able to do a free retreat or they can take a free maneuver getting one one of their units that have an activated into position to flank or rear charge. And then additionally you get the tokens which is just icing on the cake. So man this this car. They're powerful for those. That are big. Fans the wind winds of winter or a dark wings where you're trying to get some objective cards. Is You have to get tokens out to get points or you have to get like a successful charge. This just seems like a a real multiplayer card for that it is yeah. Isn't there a card that gives you a point forever successful charge. Yeah yeah they might pick up. PA- Tokens that you have on things and it's like oh I can just choose. What Tokens I need? Were crazy and then we've got blood of the Dragon. So I'm making these kind of cool specific Tar Garin cards when a friendly combat unit successfully charges attached this card to that unit until the end of the round while attached this unit automatically. Weekly passes all panic tests and can never become panicked like we were just talking about. How significant panic? It'd take off for the entire wrong card that lets them on their pop. One panicked after this entire round. I can't even get tokens. Put on them to save for later. They can never become panic. That round wow like in so I mean right now. Tiger insisted general tactics deck is already like very very useful. And then we get guys like Karl Rogo so called Virago his. I think it's ADRA VAT at which is for till when you claim the the Malays Zone of the tactics board attach this cartoon enemy combat unit until the end of the round so another another into the heart while attached Maleeha tax targets unit gain critical blo and Sundering so there. There's a few things that I really like about a year ago and in his cards the first one is so you you basically all your normal tax cards. You're fighting for that horse zone the entire time time so it gives you something else to look for. You always have to have the horse own to get the extra benefits and this. I mean critical blows Sundering when you've got the opportunity for taking back to vacations with Leo for doing your overrun and getting all these three extra tax on top of everything else is huge huge. I'm GONNA reference you back to the card that gives precision as well and my my point about Texas so you're going to have a critical blo whatever you're basically marked for death and He played cards You know which has the most tax on on fire and blood the scenario with her blood tactics card. You're killing mark units all right. So here's something I was just thinking about. You've got all these cards. They're giving critical blows sundering precision abilities. That have these keywords. It feels like playing against the the target audience. You're really GonNa want something like a Walter Fray a Taiwan Lancaster nc you something they can just strip abilities. Otherwise some of these death star units are just going to with all these stacked keywords or just going to run rampant while calling the interesting thing. is they cleaned up. What ability their strip they have? They have changed it now where you lose what ability on your card and then cards and ANC US can give you ability back so while. Taiwan is helpful. Alkyl you won't be able to stop them from gaining wondering from this card. I mean even thinking yeah right I mean I think for Free Book. I'm like surrounding expose and I need to like bog. You down get multiple units in there to actually Shut you down. Rocking with one of the One of the earlier one point you remember that in the past they said it's not gonNa Strip bows or anything like that. What if the if the unit it already has the card on it before you strip the abilities and I would assume that you went? ooh I don't know if it does. They lose. What abilities are printed on their card? I think whenever you have to have a rule that I would assume that the card would still give it because I critical blo on the thundering wouldn't be printed on the card. I think they did better than general hiding things. Because of all the sessions that were coming out right Crozet kind of messy issue with an FAQ coming out with this update. was that a thing. I'm assuming that when they released one point I five it'll have a and I. I can't speak for her so certainly could be answered in the forum. I recall reading the Abbott directly in front of me I it's all so who specifically as printed sometimes inability or effects will remove abilities from from a unit. When this happens you'll lose the effect of all non inevitabilities printed on art as well as effects for many attachments? On the unit movie a units disabilities will have no effect on abilities affects granted by NC you or taxes cards unless specifically mentioned. Break your dead on accurate. The target areas basically of up Tilton defense against losing abilities by not having any of these abilities on their units. Promo quite big time that yeah right right. Yeah that's crazy so he'll still I mean they grounded close although unconscious on you'll be able to strip charging volley from the better and you'll still be able to make some of the damage and Some of those strip attachments to so you'll removed. Yeah the screener chaos so caldera goes abilities you know yes with the whole that the combat. Nah Yeah which do we didn't even mention that image commander his eye on plot so a lot of a lot of ways in charge you ride by attack his other types of scarred when a friendly negates cavalry unit activates As its action this turn. The unit may pivot March and may move through enemies during March after completing his action may resolve one charge attack getting all the rank or flank bonuses and again. It's line of sight at the start. I mean with the facts also can give you plus one movement and movement bought buffs and many other ways. I mean you could literally go straight arena. I have to cut the corner. You can go straight through units with this and I believe the thing about this higher I believe with the way the three maneuver a new work for I believe in you. Pray this card. It says for the auction action happens after their free maneuvers. So I think they can maneuver up and then marched through you so tell me when he one inch blue. Yeah so they they can move up here frank and then marched through your flank and pop out on the other side of your plank or angled properly. They can pop up behind you and your rear right. So what are we talking about an eighteen inch maybe just go ahead and give them a two foot like twenty orange alert. I'm looking for twenty four inches. Oh my God. This is crazy the I always get. I always getting messed up with with the ride by attacks. I don't often have that many opportunities. I don't play many factions. That have that but you have to have a one inch of space after ride by attack. You can't just pass through inland like almost flashing decide units have to be one inch away and like you said you could end up right behind this. Because movement isn't really concerned for them. They have so much distance they can cover. Guy Can't be wrong on this. He'll fact checkmate but isn't right now. Only a Brennan tully elite cavalry manner. That has this right now. And I don't think of a way to really increase the movement of other time of August operative outrider sick but wanting to do a move like this. There's not gonNA move in five so it can be hard to get that clearance that they need. But I don't hoping that problem. She's out writers and then he's got devastating impact when friendly unit declares a charge that unit may roll their charge. Ars distanced I and their attack deals. Plus Two automatic hits if you control the the attacks own this unit automatically counts having ruled a six for their charge distance. And they'd be. Oh plus plus two wounds instead of hits terrifying parts that they want the combat drone instead of any results but it looks like cargo into the House once the maneuver zone encounter once the combat zone. Yeah similar to start different. Anyone who's played against a lot of star players know just how dangerous this card can day it can be. It's maybe their best card. One of the best on six the charge distance. I mean you know I love power mad dog. And that's one of his one of his best features. Need your help for this. Next one juror. More Mont the West throws he tactician he got his car's got spoiled and there was is is a solo version and it seems like for some reason Giora more Mont does not get a lot of like fan. Love people nobody out. There seem to be clamoring for Dohrmann. Felt bad for him. His tablet guards are pretty good though. And let's let's let's hype them up a little bit a year so we got Marshall Superiority when enemy combat unit attacks before attacked role that attack roles negative to dice and loses any abilities until the end end of turn if they're attacking your more months unit the enemy also becomes weakened so it's kind of like an anti number champion it is it's it's okay so if you've ever played audrey you know about. This is a very devastating. It's very anti tonight constantly. Rock tally who are obviously two units that you see at every tournament stopping them down to four talk with no sundering no critical blo weekend. So you're taking one of the most devastating charges in the game. We completely neutering it. It just run up and kind of tap them with them. Yeah tag we haven't got. We've got superior flanking linking when a friendly unit tax enemy in the flank or real rear the attackers plus three attack dice and the defender becomes. Vulnerable is like a better Vermont harm. Yeah Man. That's but the difference is you're GONNA put some serious dents on targets with Turkey charging with with less three three days You know their veterans. They're not necessarily like starved for being able to do damage output so when a friendly unit apart an enemy in the flank of the really not male veterans are going to get puckering shocked. Oh my gosh the outriders. I mean you could play this in so many ways Uh Nasty and they become vulnerable. So then you're with that with those varying seven shock and a okay so ten and eleven and you're vulnerable And they talk about the Malay are done but the rain tonight putting this on a ranged attack that's awesome. Oh my God. That's rounded minded. Noticed that he's he's beast mode. I mean come on fans it's Giora there's got bravery in the face of death in a friendly unit passes Meralco or successfully excessively charges. You may restore the songs that unit if that unit has only one remaining rank restored d three plus one wounds instead. This is going to be a nightmare for people trying to finish off targeting UNIX and then they get to get out of the way and maybe he'll up the only healing car that they really have. Yeah and this is at stark so and the other thing is his commander ability. He's stubborn tenacity. So you can't really elite. Go Try to pin his unit down with the dog because if they packed their morale up. We're GONNA do deeper. And they come automatically. Pass it if he yeah. I think Goethe Aerobic all these guys down for a second now are you gonNA give him go. Aw you get your targeting starter set. You're going to sit down for your first game. Are you gonNA field outgrow or German as your commander in the first game when you play kind of depends on what gay modem using I prefer control so play I feel like I'd probably trial child Jordan. I all right and how about you first game. We get to play with. It depends on my opponent on a three it. It depends on if I start. It's going to be You're all the way If I play something where I think I can Just Kinda bouncer their unit and Clean everything up on trial but I think Giora is all around. I think he's more well rounded. I think I think all on his right I think he he has the Control Affect and I Don I appreciate that place. I always Tyrian so I think he. I think he's your guy in these. Actually he's he's like the Scotto a gaffe. You've got a defensive card healing called intimate so he's pretty well rounded it. The other I think about is if you're trying to play like the target areas are going to be fantastic scenarios like right out of the box iron blood your a your Clash knock clash. Kings is it wants cancer dragon certainly good. The one we decide deployments classic kings kings. That is it. They're they're gonNA struggle with thrones. I dance they're probably GONNA struggle a little bit with that one also and perhaps even Feast is for crows. 'cause visit ones were they either. You have to hold objectives and you've got fights spread out or you're stuck kind of mired in correspondence and you can't move around as much or you're moving. Dropped down to two and in those scenarios I think Joe is going to give them a little bit more than advantage that they need to survive. I agree and treating is going to be their friend in Dan's baggage retreat to plus six. So you're going to retreat faster than you can maneuver the other thing. I can't wait to see is watching. Free folks specifically like Karma three-point player play against target players just at each other's throats that cavalry zone absolutely and that's where I think it's GonNa come down to as well like also a how to neutral factor in future attachments were for free but I'm thinking about as well is a thematically. I think starters set like really kills it like it's it seems like it's got the caliber servive down But I know future units will know. There'll be some unsullied and I don't know what other future Tar Garin units. That are might be. Do you think that the the general tactic stack will continue to fit the theme of Tar Garin Force as we move away from having just sort of mounted units or is the you know the doth Raqi Kinda always going to be like the core part of tarring. You think I mean a lot of these cards words. They're fantastic with cavalry but you can always get benefits from retreating no matter what the unit You know some of your cards physically ride by attack Jack. You're never gonNA be able to use that unless cavalry. So you're running cal Drago. You'RE GONNA want a lot of of cavalry in there. So I wonder we'll see like a sub faction like if you WANNA take all unsullied for some reason. No kudrow does not your guy right right. Yeah honestly a lot of the cards. Do they still work with infantry. I run without cavalry and hit and run still works for infantry advance. It still didn't work for entry. Yes we don't pay for infantry so I think I think Collins Right about talk it it it'll definitely reward cavalry a little bit more but it's it's definitely not bad for infantry I mean Bodyguard would like to be and ignoring. Oh God it's terrifying. Yeah yeah so they they could be. I mean if you've got you don't have enough points for flame man you could throw them in there and just as colder something similar not maybe not as offenses. Hey the new panic change so taking otherwise. I think that'd be fantastic with them. Because I mean they're they're great anvil and hold them down thing gauge the black art then all of a sudden. You've cut screamers veterans and everything else. All Directions Cook very much a tank and plane harding blind Darva great and then kind of the final question then is You know when starter sets come out and inevitably people want to get them on the table. As soon as they can to play against their friends and their friends might be feeling thing you know Armies that have seven eight nine. You know expansions already And some starter sets may struggle into more advanced lists off off the bat you know and I know some people are saying Raffin. You know if you're just taking them to starter sets or just out of the box You know things that do auto wounds or some other types of units can be a bit challenging for your just core set right because it's not a complete faction yet How do you think this is going to stack up? You know Against some of these other more factions actions off the bat. Now obviously they know it'd be like no top tier right off the bat because they don't have an expansion. But how do you think they they look just coming in as is I mean I think as the game continues to mature and we get more neutral factions. It's a lot easier to plug the gaps in initial starter set. It may not be perfect fit. But you're not nearly in the situation that you would have been in say six months to nine months ago right. I think they're out of ready to compete right now. Actually I think they're going to get better they. Everybody is afraid of the stone-thrower but the the target area and they don't seem to really care much with this don't be they can be the and twelve inch go very very very and I I think there are very hard counter to really really any BALLISTA. Because with their crazy movement they can safely get away from the range of a Scorpion and easily. Be in striking range of that thing's working so absolutely well. I'm GonNa Start wrapping things up your anything you're working on a we've got the event in January the ECON- primer The gentleman who is running NBA on tournament for team on. Well actually be there in Indiana running the event off so hoping to get thirty or more people indicating that we're going to get that we had Sixteen at our last small local so we would definitely encourage anyone to come out and get a look at the scenario pocket and the tournament pocket. And how the chance to talk with more need. It's very very friendly guy and will be there in India and we'll have that same time long games with Jane for the game so anybody who wants to Iraq definitely is a really fun time and a chance to practice your eight okay. So yes so. I've been working as the editor now for two weeks few months. I guess on the on the gaming website we've just rolled out out the new version and I'd love to get some more written contents. Anybody has any that they feel is unique unique. 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The White Book S10E48 405

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The White Book S10E48 405

"Sir Giora more Mont. She said first and greatest of my nights. I have no bride gift to give you but I swear to you one day you shall have from my hands a long sword like none. The world has ever seen dragon forged and made a Valerian steel. And I would ask for your oath as well. Welcome to the White Book. Podcast the original egging L. podcast originally founded in two thousand ten to champs trump. We decided to rebrand when the game relaunched. Second edition a huge thank. You goes out to fantasy flight games or Dr Martin for this game world we love and of course to my co hosts you the listeners. Please if you enjoy the show leave us a review on Itunes flapping Joyce comment on facebook threads or even better support us on. Adriaan will love turning that kind of support back into the Union. This is season ten of the White Book Sometimes you just run out of interesting quotes before four hundred episodes. Yeah at at this point. I almost think we should have just started with. Game of thrones and like read one paragraph per episode. Just to see you know how many how far into the book which four hundred paragraphs be. I think it would be a pretty hefty chunk. I feel like it would be well. Maybe next time will will will start that soon. And then when we get eight hundred some odd. We'll see how far we are you laughing like I'm not going to drag you along and make you host that long sitting at the halfway mark. Yeah there's also you know no more material to be released in the game according to F. F. G. O. The until the next book comes out. No more earl. Maybe we'll get another buck no guarantee but maybe at least TV show of some sort or by happened so We'll see what happens. The next one Bob is a Downer thought. So let's just move on from there We did get some good news announced earlier today. Actually which by the way I also just want to throw out. I know it's a you know early here in the episode but I want to go ahead and throw some props out to Matt Holland who I I wish had been in his current role much earlier. I think if it feels like he's really kind of come into his own so to speak as a community support type of guy and kind of the the point man to talk to and make announcements. It does mean that sometimes things are kind of. Sammy stealth announced like buried in a reply chain on facebook thread but it is nice to see the official interaction and communication and responsiveness compared to a business as usual at effigy. So I think that. That's a real real win and I'm just Kinda bummed that It's so late in the game so to speak. Yeah he's definitely been like very transparent about things even with probably when you shouldn't be as much but Yeah he's been very open and he usually responds very timely and provides us with. Do you know answer a lot of questions that we don't get normally from F F G so Yeah he's doing a great job. Yeah I think so. And speaking of We got some word today About the things I do for love. premium pack. That's our next release For the game which I think Some Sleuth e folks noticed that it was marked for a like a January release on FM upcoming page. Which by the way. There's a slight Aside they're the that's one of those things that Kinda got stealth announced buried. Inner apply chains. Somewhere else I noticed The other day Within I don't know earlier this week as of the time. We're recording this. That Matt Stealth announced in like the l five our group that the upcoming page at FDU was being completely reworked and relabeled or no. Maybe it was Evan. It might have been Evan that I saw post regardless somebody did that. It was being reworked and a lot of the BS status or stat. I however that should be said that we all kind of knew were made up and didn't matter and we're not accurate we're going to be going away and they were basically just going to be marking things as I think in production or have the release month posted. More at the printer on a boat shipping. Right right now. None of those. That were blatantly. Made up ride. That is not still in production or whatever it was before in development. I think like a month before you're released that is that is not on the boats The week before its release these are these are just made up But anyway so they ditch that that's why they're gonNA have The release months listed there once they have those kind of set in stone And somebody noticed that the things I do for love back as a release month of January twenty twenty so possibly just over a month away possibly as much as you know nearly two months away depending on when in January exactly I would say. It's probably the traditional release date but you never know so this led to a little bit of a little bit of an outcry on the boards there or the facebooks anyway. Because well why why? Why would people be up in arms about that? January date January. How anything will not think of anything? Nothing nothing well because from my understanding of the pack as for a special tournament so right especially would never. I haven't heard anything about a special tournament. Well from what I understood was the pack was designed for like a legacy type event. Or classic thrones. Maybe it was what it was supposed to be called. Oh a whole different format. Yeah here but then I feel like they didn't really you know. Follow through with that and was I really think they were planning on. Legless be all legal and two point. Oh so yeah. Fully fully legal is at least how it appeared by the time that announcement article went up just like a normal product release which means it would be legal for the world championship. Assuming he came out in in January would meet the cutoff in days to be legal for world's probably so there was. There was a bit of an outcry which it did amuse me at least to see Matt Holland. Kind of bemused by. Everyone's reaction. How often have you ever seen any game player particularly card game players demand not to be allowed to play new product? This never happens aside from the people at notes in that pack and understand what is going to do to the game. You're probably made some some good decisions there and also if you think about it like the people that travel from you know other countries are even from other parts of the US or Canada. I mean that can be pretty expensive little trip to come to a you know crap fest of some of the most bonkers guards ever printed so some of them are. Anna's typically said he wasn't even going to comment. It was legal or at least alluded to that. Yeah I think you said. He had not decided for sure if he was attending but that if the pack was legal it would make the decision for him and make it for sure not to attend so yeah so it looks like they're at least making the correct decision and which not letting. Artemis. Yeah the all. Three of us are on the same page but it should not be legal. Who's a no way that that because any place in two point? Oh no no way. Yeah Yeah not without about two. Extra gold stapled onto every single card in the pack anyway. Yeah those great thing was when I was able to see some of the pack. Nc like hey this like the same cost. It was like an one point over a day. That's Kinda weird nurse like this is great so yeah yeah it real- It really hurt. Seen that little finger in the in the spoiler article going. Hey wait a minute. He cost five gold in the C. C. G. and was bonkers busted. Then all they did was like strap one extra gold to him for second. Ed like That does not seem like enough of a change. You go goes so Yeah I will be interested in seeing like what The other format is and let the rules are going to be for that new format if there is I'm GonNa. There is not one because they would have noticed when they announced the pack while in the chain messages Matt did say side events for this pack. Okay okay so I don't know if it's like different rules or just like hey play whatever the heck you want. I'm going to bet that's it. It's probably just a normal event but that pack will be legal. I guess he did also say though now that you mentioned that that the world's articles should be up soon detailing December. Yeah so that will be good. I'm itching to see that. Yes I mean pretty good announcement and again like you mentioned like Kudos to Matt for being on top of it. I think he even said it was off or something like that or wasn't even working while he was replying to some of those facebook messages though. Yeah he's on holiday through like next week or something he said but he was. He was effectively still working all day responding to to folks on facebook and then bugging people in the Office for answers on snuff so I that I think just goes back to what I said earlier about props to him I I wish he had been in this position about three years ago and I think it it would have had a very large cumulative effect on where various games and communities and so on are do you think that the fact that he's able to facilitate between the company and the community at large how easy he's able to do this calls into question. What's been going on this entire time with at the? Oh all all of the previous time When things have been very opaque yeah. Yeah it Kinda does I mean I I think we we being the community at large already. We're questioning that's that at the time but I think you're right the now now that there is someone trying to facilitate that you really wind up going. Yeah but couldn't they have just been done before. Really exist advocating that. Everybody just work while they are on holiday but even that but it's just the turnaround that he was able to accomplish. That was so quick that if it even taking a week if he wanted to next week when he was back. It's still faster than anything. That would have happened. Prior to this frustrated agreed agreed. Yeah Yeah it's just it's one of those. What if SORTA things right? You just think like man what what all would have been different about the the the state of the community. That game organized play sales of the product the future of the product and so on if there had been this kind of communication for the last three years since the game launch. You know since second launched. Anyway I agree. I mean it's hard to predict but I I have to say that I think it would would. In general be a much more favourable across the board think it would have had a very large and a trickle down effect. I think one of the biggest complaints that people had the community was organized. Play so having someone that actually up here so care about his job and what he does and I think he has a good mix of you know organizing and being able to communicate and communicate. You know effectively inappropriately to people in the community. I think it helps out a lot and that position that he's in. Yeah Yeah I think it's great I mean and we saw a similar shift. What a little over a year ago year and a half ago. Something like that Whenever Ryan. Ritter moved into being able to deprive prizes on the front. We really saw that quality and the just the quality of what was picked. But like the what sort. I'm looking for the relevance of what was picked right so that they were actually useful cards and so on. We saw little step up. Everyone's using that summoned the court from Organiz or marching orders from cheese. Was the very first kit. White van. Mortified physician was the first goal. Okay we'll allstone. I'll start Yeah man to say the was it. Neil when something saved someone even know yeah he does do. Yeah I think he. I think he kneels stuff. Wouldn't get saved. I don't know it's not. It's not good but things have really stepped up since then so I think I think the two would have been a pretty stellar combination to have had earlier but I mean yeah arrived. Guess they had to just pick a card out of like a basket right back in the day on which Promo they're going to do. Probably Yeah I mean I had it. Been a completely random like a number random number generator like. Oh here's the because none of it. Some of like zero sense in life like you said like the card was never played. No one even knows what does but like I mean you gotTa have like those cards that are like you mentioned relevant with great art to have like an organized play kits and stuff like that to make people want to attend these events and try to chase after these. Promos and win But no one was wanting that someone in court no one mean. I think I've got it somewhere here just to try and be a complete list. But that's never never actually going to happen actually complete. That's never going to happen. Not with not with all the house specific stuff from then on. I'm Toria like that idea. But if you're playing a house that you don't normally play and hang these cards on there so rare like the aftermarket is crazy expensive. Yeah I'm torn. I mean it definitely makes some excitement to kind of spread the prizes out that way And give more people a reason to Kinda keep fighting like all the way through Even if they're not going to win the top prize kind of thing. It foster some house loyalty and things like that. It just kind of sucks for the complete EST collector that were not getting those without Without paying Prateep Penny. And that's why I liked. I think they started a Gen con last year. Was I wasn't up getting like top eight at Gen con or Pop. Sixteen one of the two but like I got to a point where they were giving me like full play sets of like some of the cards so even though it wasn't like by factional choice. I got to a point in the placement. And we're like oh here's like all the reducers like here you go you get like a complete place at of all those. And here's like all their lands that we had here's complete place although so So that was nice where it was like rewarding. You As cards as you long do that. When I went in on the prior year I didn't even get a full place of Catlin starts as Vega have two more. 'cause I only got one and they just told me now con coming up. Like two of these promos. Sorry sorry we have a fifteen hundred of these. Refer exclusively foreleg handouts. Sorry that you tournament just do you still tyler. I will have to get some at some point. But facts the Republicans. That's that's pretty killer and that was like another thing that I didn't like at worlds was like when they had like those event tickets and the only way could get tickets was like in Malay at the end like. I'm playing like a top thirty top sixteen at worlds and I get like nothing really into this other guy over here. You know playing Malay. For four rounds. It's like all these tickets. Do whatever you want to with it. So I'd say that that sounds like a good plan to me I think you just made the wrong choice. Should have been playing millie. Probably but especially since it turns out you can build good mealy Dix. I mean there's a secret to it I don't want to. It's yeah yeah you don't you don't give all your take away the public on a podcast about you know about the game or anything no not at all but hopefully it being you know the last world so they do some better structure for Greis support and just like everyone gets whatever the heck they want for showing up so yeah. Hobart we Nice Z. But I'm glad you've at least kind of turn back to world here because I feel like we wandered far afield into the prize stuff when We were talking about the things I do for love. Pack and it not being legal for worlds and you brought up a very interesting point right before we started recording about the I do for love pack and what was that well with being released in January and I believe they're still. I don't know a dozen or so crime tournaments you know in January and beginning of February. Are they going to be legal and be able to be played in prime tournaments? Ooh That is a good question. That is a good question. Yeah I'm hoping to have some type of verbiage with the pack released like thing. Hey this isn't like supposed to be played at two point but I don't see them making that call. I think they're going to release this product and be like here you go thinks the worst case worsening is release the pack in. They don't respond by updating the restricted list. And then you're GONNA have a big dilemma because some primes might allow. It sometimes. Might not unless there's an official statement from fit scene. It's not legal which they're probably not going to address for prime. Yeah that is a situation that worries me. I think is is without an official announcement that you wind up with primes. Doing whatever they want and some using it in some not. It'll be interesting to see what they do unless they say. Hey every cards restricted pack. So you get one even that it's really good. It's still going to be really good. Yeah Yeah exactly which which one you don't flip a plot next to her. That's all you don't get a plot can't be pretty strong. Yeah so Hopefully there some more communication with that in January. I would suspect another restricted list in January fingers crossed That way that would give you know a good month or so before world's do a you know really flush out everything and see what where everyone else years half of it being restricted. You're welcome. Oh Yeah Yeah. The Tug box is pretty strong. Yes definitely stronger than a bratty talks that I don't think anything for Nebraska and box will ever get restricted odd totally. Oh okay there was always the power power creep Howard Creep braathen box. Everything went down. Low Power Creep was like power. Cuban is supposed to keep on power creeping. It's not supposed to miss a step and deliver. It should have been released second really. Oh yeah that would. Actually that would have been great then. They would've kicked Lancaster further down the line and then the laney boxwood actually been good. Everyone's happy exactly. Well okay. So maybe we're going to reverse course on our our discussion order here Because I feel like That talk about the the talk box kind of sends us into what's doing well at the moment and we've well. I learned something interesting in trying to prep for this week. The annals of castle black which is usually my go-to for this type of topic is currently down While we were recording Alex did respond on facebook. To say he's going to check it out so this is not in on purpose. He shut it down. Sorta thing thankfully But it does make taking quick look a little more tricky So a lot of this can be pulled up on the jousting pavilion. That I've gotTa have tabs open for all the different tournaments But I opened up everything I saw on the first pages worth tournaments. That mentioned that it was a prime. So we've got one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve twelve tournaments and I take that back I went prime or better I think there was nationals between with Australian Spanish so I've included them in in this pile so like looking looking at just winning deck for each of these. We've got targets the Hollow Hill. Got Lancaster Valerian. Steel night's watch Larry Steele nightwatch CREIGHTON. Creighton tyrel reins of cast Amir That by the way is that a four person tournament which thank you for clarifying that Yeah night's Watch C. of Blood Tyrel Banner Dragon Night's watch assault Targe Fealty nightwatch kings of summer and then great joy reigns of cast mirror which was Bloomington where Bob and I were over the weekend but We'll come back to that so it's a at a quick glance here. It sounds like is nights. Watch the like most consistent Lee Winning House right now. It's got like five of these winds did I. Can't that right now. I mean three six no six six of the winds are right. Swat Trinity. Your hadn't that seems interesting. They printed bound for the wall. So there right now even more so than tarred on the back of the box because think that's accurate by these results are box. Hasn't hit its stride yet and I think Bob can attest to that from what his experienced been working with team target in in playing targeting the last tournament Hannah what their potential is but we. We've been discussing that. A little bit do kind of where they fall in. The pecking order in. It's really kind of a one wouldn't be with target night's Watch. I think right now. You know what's interesting also just thrown that one a one. B Do we also have a one C or does it drop to to a for some shade of Barath Ian Because Looking at these same tournaments Second place in China. Read off all of them but second place in let's see One two three four second-place in four of them was a bear. Adak of some flavor which I personally find kind of interesting. Yeah I think The Branco Horsepower. The best build did win. I know. C. T. one like his Indiana Indianapolis regional with that. The we saw. It's it's marked that he was playing nightwatch sealed blood era. Okay you have. Barikot whore played by Neil was second place there logjam. Yeah so yeah. Yeah breath and definitely has a good deck right. Now I do think it's that cohort deck. I don't know anything else that they have right now. Is You know as consistent as good as at one These are all or all the other ones I'm looking at. Yeah that all stems from I believe like Hano played that with great success Backfire hunting European or other nationals Yeah so it's definitely tier one duck. I will on your own Bob Lutz. Extremely quick to I mean it can win. Turn to very easily. Yeah so it has that advantages well over some of these other DAX which are Anna shifting to more this mid range with the bloods and and things like that. It's still addicted and together a win. Pretty quick yeah so like the way I always looked at. It was like you have a top factions thing. I'd like top decks and the fact that target nightwatch run just about any agenda right now you know put some at that one a one B and since Baratheon really only has one probably solid deck saw a faction as a whole. It's hard to say like they're up there with the other two right now okay. So you'd put them more like a two way than like a one C. Yeah I mean they're due to just cohort loan. Since it's probably one of the better decks goes. I'm not really seeing shadows as much as I thought I would Which is always interesting. And I think there's always going to have that Evan flow of no one's GonNa play whatever the exposed duplicity is. GonNa go away and then Seattle is GonNa come back for a tournament or to win. At the end. People are gonNA start packing explosive -plicitly again. Let's probably on the shadows Jackson demand. So that's where I'm kind of seeing that right now but also learn steals just new and you draw card so I think it's shiny at that that new and shiny really gets a lot of attention that way. Yeah it's just so hard for me to construct a seventy five card duck now in my whatever years of playing cards as I. Yeah you always played a minimum. We always wait a minute You always played a minimum seventy five seventy. That's the minimum for that agenda. No one's asking you to play seventy nine. Most everyone gets sixty though. That's true I mean I do have to say the the Games I've played so far with Larry Steel They they feel noticeably more What am I looking for here? Swinging is not the word I'm looking for but O. R. N. G. E. Like I hit like a minor league game against Zach on Monday night like I didn't have a character until like turn to. Oh yeah does he have duck will. Yeah Yeah that's what I'm saying like it has a very high power level but it's also Kind of randomized there you. It also does have that higher chance of screwy draws the are. You're probably playing a handful. Adjust bad cards just a meet. The gender requirements low. I don't think any of the houses that actually WanNa play half to dip into bad cards to do it. Do you play reckless. There's a lot of location or attachments available. No I do not play reckless okay. Because that's a pretty mad card. Yes I get the fact that it's zero cost attachment. You gotTa draw gotTa go home and all you just put a bad card inside that deck. Yeah I mean if I needed a zero cost attachment a neutral attachment and way more likely to play green dreams for a little bit of extra filter kind of a bad card to pay. I'm not saying it's going in every every otherwise but I think it's far more respectable than reckless. Yeah I think one of the debates will be in a few months after people will realize layer in steel and its power level is. Is it better for card? Draw or go whore better to get the attachment that you want an effective play multiple attachments hers. Better Better Ondo. I'm yeah I'm leaning towards core now. After again I think cohort has a higher skill level. Agree that I think in the right hands and the guy that knows okay. I need this attachment for this player. I need this for this compared to just being able to draw three cards phase or around I do feel like there's a higher skill count or though well that's is a lot of fun if somebody's playing Tony Mill deck any of seventy five cards near forty cards in discard pile and drops of archivists and show foam all back in and then they quit the game. That's a lot of flood Lou who play Bill. No Mill Nope nope. Nobody got two cards away from million out a a which McCall at trading back now nobody well okay before before I go down that road. I do want to say about the the comparison of trading to malaria steel Because trading sometimes also gets played with Alliance of course where you're also looking at a larger deck but it doesn't have to be but even if it does you are gaining Consistency in the search. Right because you can turn any random one off attachment that you draw into the specific attachment that you need. But VALERIAN steel only compounds. The problem of having the the randomized Drago Funky in the larger deck. Since you can only play one of every attachment than the odds of getting the particular one is useful in whatever situation? Go down so it's Kinda got like two consistency dings against it versus cohort gaining at least one. Maybe a couple even in the streets deck size comparison. I think it's better at if you're playing in a sixty card deck that much more. So even yeah. And that's where I think. Hard Valerian steel as probably always GONNA be the best option just because they have that gift from the widow and which they get that search just grit. Whatever one of the fifteen attachments that they have So I think that's where they're always can manage in a steel duck again. I would lean towards your Just because there's so many attachments that you probably WanNa have multiples of attack. So I mean that's kind of Nice knowing if I'm planning celerion steel decks like Oh. They only have one milk. It'll poppy. You know you know this random things like that can help out the game flow and you know how you're playing against that opponent but we can talk about that and more detail you know in a few episodes when we actually see the consistency of Larry in steel and really compare it to go. Hor. What DATA. We're we're still early in the regional season at the moment. Really where where? What about two weeks in to a regional season that runs weeks all the way through February so before worlds right? Yeah yeah the week before world when ours is what's a regional national PRIAM's championships. I figure there's not really any real point in us. Changing the terminology for them for this one year feel feel like if g should've just called him regionals and distress been good with it or whatever but whatever especially because if I understood things right The other competitive L. CG I E R doesn't have problems right they have like store championships and then like elementary schools. And Kobe's and stuff which I mean. Good on them for having like flavorful names but my point is that it's not like they were making us consistent to the other game because it doesn't have primes either so they should have just left regionals for the last year. This is not like where like you feel like. They gave us hope like. Oh Wow. They're like really gonNA continue this game. They're changing the whaler. You are structures and than as like. Yeah this is just for like six months. So Yeah Yeah. We just wanted you to think we were doing something. That's that's maybe the more awkward thing they spent time and effort like changing the stuffing announcing that stuff. Something that wasn't going to matter so pretty much Okay sure whatever I'M GONNA move on from that. Particular train voiced time but in the prime slash regional season from what we've seen in last couple of weeks Is there any other particular trend or interesting deck? We've seen floating around. That's worth talking about this early or do we feel like I mean I would expect to see a lot of the rocky and I would expect to see some death rocky cards on a restricted list. Pretty soon so maybe I mean I. We haven't seen it go super crazy yet though. I guess they're GonNa Happen to targts Over the weekend. Let's see I guess. Top eight at Bloomington. There were tar three four yards and the timeline for architects total. Also oh though in the morning I think yeah. Yeah that is true they asked at the Bloomington regional prime. There's twenty participants Myself even will made the long trek from Springfield Missouri all the way up to Northern Illinois. So yeah I know there are four tars. I think most of the houses were represented. So all I was full of rice I I think it might have been. I mean that that definitely had a small piece in my decision making process Yeah I guess we could talk about that a little bit. I played a targe nights Apollo Hill. Now let me let me bust infant. Just a sec year. Why did you play that just because now listeners? I'm GonNa Reference last week's episode which may or may not exist Due to some audio troubles I've discovered. I hope it does. Yeah so if it does not exist. I'm going to tell you that Erin and Roy and Scott and I built a target. Syrian of Valerian Steel Deck for a certain Mr Mick Z. To play at Bloomington which he did not play. So tell why why not Play the deck when we had this big Podcast plan to build the deck than you would play it. Then we'd be able to talk about how it went on the show so tell me why you ruined that. Let down the listeners. Saw last week I had no idea what I was. GonNa play at this tournament coming up and so I thought Mike. Hey this'll be a great white book episode. We've always talked about. Let's build a deck. You know on the White Book Dumb. All like how they build a deck. Then I play it. It's not GonNa talk about it and Bam. We just knocked out two episodes of the White Book just like yes and it was a great idea so first of all you probably blame the iron throne a little bit. A smidge has those two miners alive with a website. The website just making sure. I don't believe the cars were up on the iron throne until Thursday of last week. That sounds right. Oh late Wednesday or expected to practice with the deck. I well after reviewing the deck that you guys built. I noticed a lot of new cards like a lot and it was. You know as I just mentioned earlier. A seventy five card deck which Not a fan of So between the iron throne and the fact that was a seventy five card deck. I went a different route and a knocking. Sound much better because the deck. I've thought of. I just built the Friday night literally true because he texts me within minutes after building it after drinking several drinks and eating an unlimited supply above legs. Yes I'll go ahead and do my props right now so Applebee's had like these twenty five cent boneless wings. Many as you want we could say twenty. You could save forty and they have a Muccio Long Island's for ninety nine for a mutual long island so I was eating good in a neighborhood that night and look at that and so I thought to myself. I've never played nights Apollo Hill. Because I think it's a bad agenda and I've said that before on the White Book however I thought to myself it's not so bad if I get all these stuff rocky out and keep them out for Free. I'm thinking it'd be a good agenda then for because all the gold bump and So I went. I went with a targe nights. Apollo Hill both rocky duck. I would like to make it that. This distinctly reminds me of another situation. Were Bob Community down or he didn't man up in shots for pots. After telling Calvin Sel that word I said it there who it's out there man. I'm noticing of letting down the community. One no one knows who a Kyle van Zyl is. I have not talked to that guy in like three months. I believe he's a little white boy host right. I mean SIA radically. He would be on tonight with us for team Team West Coast but We just move the alumni section. That's probably a good idea. That's probably a good idea. We'll put him there with Tom Company. So in general I would like to say thank you to team S. Arrose for putting in the time hard work to building that Saddam Guy will play. Probably play this week at some point. You know let it go to waste But Yeah I did decide on a different route which I mean I did get top four with my route. So I'm not saying I would've won with Bulgarian steel but who knows what would happen. If all if only you'd had a setup asks speaking of didn't she comes to a great joy there. What was your experience? I did lose to the eventual winner. Tom Mackenzie playing. Great Joy reigns deck Which was very similar to what was being played. I think at nationals I believe like the Italians like Niccolo. Everyone created that graduate rain stuck a few months ago before the restriction restricted list and yet got good cards and I didn't have a setup and then I drew bad cards so I can attest to. I will not be playing nice. Apollo Hill probably ever again in life. So really really means strong showing for you though I mean you say it's not good so you think it was just a fluke. The made it or are you talking it all up to your You know unparalleled skill. Are you saying all the rest of US except for Tom Sucked that day? You gotta give me a little more to go on. So it was the first time I was playing nights a Hollow Hill and the goal bump nice however I was Kinda being consistently stuck with just that gold like I wasn't drawing enough like of my limited locations or anything like that so it's like I was just getting the Plus Three which is nice. But then you're wanting to play kinda lower gold plots that have a higher impact so I had quite a few three-goal plots of my so now I'm only getting six gold. Which you know is enough for a body. But it's not a good agenda I I'd just struggled with it all day. Trying get enough to do everything Now like in my dreamland of getting quoth Masan days and all that fun stuff in the theory of the California to put in a death rocky in how how Drago out to discard to keep the death rocky and play. Yeah it just it can happen. It just never happened in any of my game so I don't know how like like I'd say like mostly games. I one was just on the back of just targe good cards like it really didn't matter which agenda was using us as putting out good targe area and cards so it wasn't like you know saying anyone Was like you know being bad players or anything like that or matchups like my first match against Thompson. Who was playing the same guy was she built a target of hollow back and actually lost that game and Osas like she got marine. Didn't get marine. At then I think she blew up. Maya Plaza. Pride was like lay. Waste an just me kind of being behind the whole entire game eventually beater in a top eight. I was playing new iron throne and just kept on saying quote though during the challenge face and she had a growth on her hand. Socially ain't GonNa play play that during any phase right. I mean it is just an action of done them. Read put them in either in the marshalling phase by distorting cards or even in dumb but just to get the pro. Maybe she wants to wear the more you know. Yes so those rocky was really good. Some of their cards just seem overly busted for example for example the womb of the world. You know we kind of talk about how bound for wall it was telling us the whole Look at a top five cars when opponents deck and get a character from it for a bound grants only one gold but now you get a location that you just gotTa do that. Yeah as really good. Can't tell anyone about that card. I mean see restricted. Play anymore all. Oh hell no I do think that one end bound should just go see the list. So yeah so I mean I had fun Pretty Successful Day They get top floor What did you play? Well I was GonNa say you know what would have been even more fun? What's up plane mill? You definitely should have played mill hill game at the. It is theoretically possible. Yeah is that that is well not really. It's a lose condition. I suppose but it's a thing it is a thing anyway. So I took mill up to Bloomington Had A hard time deciding on What I was GONNA play but in the and Kinda figured I know there's at least three regionals that I can make it to you so I think maybe I'll play something different. And each one and kind of spread out some prizes and stuff so wanted to play something tyrel so. I settled on Tyrel Lion Mill Partly so I could have a clever faints as an additional way to put my shadow stuff like Queens retinue back into shadow but also partly so I could have The red keep for character ability cancellation seems like that is handy. If you WANNA make sure your mill goes off so now that was actually very useful. It was it was honestly very useful for me. The tempo hit I feel like wasn't too bad for me when I'm trying to get aisles of gold anyway from Red Wine Straits and You Know Gates the moon and that sort of thing Arbor Plus in in the middle deck in particular. I'm not as worried about my board state and the temple hit of that four-goal location because you know I'm just kind of trying. To defend some challenges to keep you from getting unopposed. And then you know set up a bunch of mill the cancellation itself. I would say was definitely handy was definitely worthwhile to have very very glad to have it all day for Oh Dang it. What are they the placers? Just an inch and a moment ago. Tyler. Yeah the archivist. Definitely for our Even to a lesser extent Begging brothers and things like that So I'm a fan Or over a urine That would also been handy. I didn't get to stop at your end but it would have been useful against your and in in my first round game against Tommy so I think it as mill anyone I I managed to mill out one person. One person out of my four games. So was it a sixty card deck or seventy head that one. That one was a well. I assume they might have been playing a couple extras. I do not know. But they're they're mid autumn decks. Is I think one of the biggest things I learned playing mill over the weekend. Is that time really really? Is your enemy more than the other player? I had a three out of four rounds. Go to time. The only one that didn't was first round against Tommy where I had a super weird fluky draw with like triplicate. So like a couple of unique characters right off the bat that sort of thing and then no income But even then I got down to like fifteen cards and drew it out like around four so I still felt okay about that and we didn't go to time the other rounds where. I was actually getting things together. time is definitely an issue One Game I did mill. Somebody out on that lasts during the other two they ended. I believe one player ended with six cards left and Dak and the other player with two cards left in deck respectively. Yeah and the person with two cards I would have milled out on that final. Turn in the standing phase If I had not screwed up a challenge earlier in the game they were playing night's watch core wall I had an opportunity to get an unopposed challenge through about two turns before that and I totally whiffed and I said intrigue out loud and like right after I said it. I was like wait a minute. That was so stupid. Power power was what I meant to say because powers the unopposed challenge but I had already said it so I stuck with it and that it that extra to power. He won the game on that last turn after time was called if he had not had that to power than we would have made it to the standing phase and I wouldn't build them out so I guess my my main takeaway is new really is almost there. I if I had a lot more reps with it I think it really could be something But time is your enemy and some of that time You can't really do anything to speed up so you need to really speed up your play Because when you've given your opponent an extra ten cards in their hand or something and then they go to discard for reserve. A lot of time gets eaten up with them deciding what to keep and what to discard. And there's just nothing you personally can do to speed that up. So ouch so will Millwood PRIME MRIS HIM OU. Will it win Prime You know what I'm GONNA go out. Go out on a limb here and say that yes. It will win a prime somewhere. But I'm going to say it's going to be in Europe Nathi wes no us. Yeah I'm still waiting for the white book to win a prime so anyone out there rocking that agenda hit me up. If you n anyone out there there's GonNa be some still got crime in Texas with three people in some run when I believe there's rules. Yeah what was it? It had to be at least ten players at least twenty though planning but I. I am happy to lower that neo per month. Well you may have to. He does look like at least for these first. Few primes that Attendance does appear to have trended down but I wonder if that's yeah no I thought twenty was a is honestly a good number and it does seem like a couple regionals had that Bloomington dead India did But some of these others. I mentioned that New Hampshire one had four people now had five or six I don't know I can't help but wonder if it's a kind of a self fulfilling prophecy like yes. Numbers do tend to drift downward over the years in these games but also like how much more down did they go after the announcement of the end of a P and a lot of people kind of making the decision to look elsewhere for their UH competitive. Fix for sure. I kind of feel like you're going to have people like yourself Who knows that you know? Some of the last few events laver chance to go to so even made that drive which was about six hours five hours yes like five and a half but like if the game was still going on and strong. Do you think you would have made that? Just for a prime you know like gaffer prime otherwise Yeah Yeah So. I think that's where you have like two people that are like only a few more months left of organized play official organized play. I WanNa hit as many tournaments as I can. I love this game or you have. The guys are all like yeah. I'm just GONNA go play a different card game and not worry about traveling. You know four hours to go play a game. That you know is not supportive anymore. So I think that's where you're going to have like events that are five people and events that might be like you know twenty five people just kinda matter of the the area location that you're sure enough. I guess we'll we'll see how more of the season goes well. Props and slops. Yeah I mean I think everyone's GonNa Prompt Disney right. Yeah Yeah you guys both have Disney firm. I have it. I have not used it yet. Okay so as much as I desperately want to drop a spoiler on talking mandatory. And you're telling me I should. I don't mind spoilers at all. I usually read stuff oil anything Okay all right all right. Well I guess I won't doing what episodes a week right One a week they. It's every Friday. They just launched the service with episode one already up so there wound up being single last week because that is to outright now and then what today's from a recording the next waldrop. Yeah so I can watch three episodes this weekend. Yeah Yeah we all caught up. Gotcha good get a whole like movies worth basically a time. That is so give. Perhaps Daniela Chris show and on his prime win at Paradise. He's a great guy does a lot for the community. Glad to see that he was able to take something down. We're we're share. And they had a good crew over. There are getting how many they had. But it was true man Gosh other than Disney. I guess maybe I'm I'M GONNA go through props out to lost order. New Star. Wars video game broke down. I haven't heard Yeah I picked it up It just dropped. Think on the fist team. Maybe just the end of last week a it is since you've not heard of it. I'll give you the the brief rundown it is set. Shortly after the end of episode three. So like at the tail end of the Djeddai purge basically and you play yet another temporarily surviving Djeddai. That's been discovered The couch estes who basically gets recruited by some other folks to attempt to put the Jedi order back together and I think we all know how that is going to end but the ride to get there is the the trick and so far. It's good I mean it is a gorgeous game is definitely gorgeous It borrows allot from a style of game. That I'm not really a fan of the whole like blood borne dark souls type of Action like hunting type game So frankly I just I played for a while on the default difficulty and then just decided like that. It's not really for me. I'm turning it down to the story mode difficulty. 'cause like I just WANNA run around the agenda in an enjoy like this story. So that's what I did and it's pretty fun that way. Anybody you get anything else or did we already Knock out the whole. I don't have anything else. I haven't been doing a whole lot of taking care of babies and kids should you prop NAM or slalom? Absolute deadline under full wife and children who I love. The good thing is staring across the room. Yeah and you you. You definitely don't want that permanently out. On the Internet that you gave them slops definitely not so now you you permanently props out there this will go down in history forever. Yeah Yeah your your children can look back at this episode. Be Like Oh Man. That really a stink about it. I got props for myself for being such an amazing as father. The say that about my family you know. I think that's true. I think that yeah. Yeah Yeah We. We should affectively build a little digital monument that I don't know why not. Well somebody get on that. The nobody's jumping on that. Give him top. They're too busy hanging out. Dangerous over there it is. Oh yeah definitely

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