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"Welcome to ghostly. As Gettysburg hunted ghostly as a podcast that comes out every other week. In each episode, we take a ghost story or paranormal event in look into its complete history. Rebecca. Then gives us evidence proving that the story is real ID. and my job is to debate those pieces of evidence and get you the listener prepared to vote on if it's real or not in. If you haven't yet please hit that subscribe button or like the fancy youtubers are saying if you're on youtube smashed that will match that like button. Yes natia it smashed that thing. Yeah. As always we're your host I'm Pat, and I'm Rebecca and what's been going on in your world. Rebecca. Aliens, oh. Okay. So World, outer world yeah well, they're kind of everywhere first of all you were like you need to watch this movie from like a couple of years ago about this Guy Bob Lazar and like all of his alien findings, then there's an unsolved mysteries. About you know people and then and then the government comes out and they're like Yep, we've found material that is we don't know what it is the fricken Pentagon. Yeah. is come out in and said, Hey, you know we might have something. All right. So real quick scale from zero to ten. What do you rate the evidence that there are aliens visiting US right now? Now. That's a harder question. Then just like are there any liens in the universe? Okay but just Zero through ten I'm going to say four four I'm. GonNa go five. Okay I'm right in the middle there. Not Now. With ghost but with. Well. Maybe we should do an alien podcast. Where we just agree DEBATE AND WE AGREE EVERY So since our last episode. There has been a contest that has been released. Under socials and on our ghostly page. Yeah. It's on the website is where you go take it. It's the ghostly Trivia contest yet go-slow podcast, dot com slash trivia or ghostly podcast click the polls thing which is now a drop down and it does have trivia under it. Yeah. Trivia contest I'm sorry and I will say I mean it's not it's not an impossible. Thing like if you just our listener and maybe do a little bit of looking around on the website you can you can do this. So that's your advice to them to listen to past up soad's and check out the website. Yeah, I mean but it's not super easy either no he wanted to be a little bit of a challenge now pat what can they win? Oh, they win their choice of any ghostly t-shirt. Any goes. Lee. T shirt any ghostly t shirt t shirt t shirt were excluding like hoodies and I just put up addressing their like a skater dress I. It's Burke. Cute. Yeah and I'm not. GonNa. US Off. Yoga. Pants. But there's a ton of different t shirts and you get to choose one. The when it is it, you know nobody else is sponsoring this contest it is go sleep sponsoring the content we want out of our pocket. Yeah cited. Now how do we pick the winner? So whoever answers the most questions? Right will be the winner unless there's a tie and then we will do the hey that apple assistant person. named Siri I could say it 'cause it's been so many words in between pick a random number between one and forty eight because there's going to be forty eight people that get it. All right. Wow. Okay. Now, I know yeah, this is good. So random drying, it will be random as. Possible. So. Yeah. So go check it out on ghostly PODCASTS, dot com slash trivia, and good luck. Good luck. So? Do we have any listener mail we do and I I'm very excited. We've had. We've had some people sending in stuff I can't wait to hear more but the one this week is pretty fantastic and toy smell. Okay. Well, let's listen to that right now then. Hi. My name is Aaron I'm calling because you said, you wanted people to leave voicemails. So hearing him. I'm GonNa tell you my sort of possibly. ghost experience For. Some background I live in New Mexico and I work for the state government here. and so I work in a legislative building let. The around Roundhouse, we call it. One Saturday to finish up some work. So my office is up on the fourth floor and it's kind of separated from the. The rest of our main office for the. Regular employees I guess you can call it. but we're a lot closer to one restroom then the rest of the offices. But it's also it was a Saturday. So I think I had two co workers in office was the. and. The other was our financial officer basically. and so I got some work done. I took a break. and as I was coming back from the break, the security guard that was downstairs so on our groundfloor. Said Oh, like your boss lasted just you and Nessa less. So I went back to the office and Decided I needed to use the restroom. Now we're building is not old It's it's a little weird. I guess was dedicated in nineteen, sixty six and renovated I think. early two thousands or so. And I went down to the restroom to businesses I'm getting ready to leave. I one of the toilets nice to meet flushes. And I kind of freeze. because. As I had come in I'm like I hadn't look super hard but. I knew the doors were like closed. And the the door opening this restroom. Is Really Loud So you'd hear that or I would have heard somebody like walking past neither of those things happened. I'm so I'm just like frozen capable for a minute thinking like well, it could have been an automatic flushing toilet. Realized this is kind of where I started getting like we don't have automatically flushing toilets. Other people have said, Oh, it could have done at toilet in the men's restroom. The men's restroom is way way way down the hall like it's a separate Plumbing system or whatever. That is not the noise I would have hurt But yeah. Basically I, freaked out and I left as quickly as I could I went to talk to our financial officer that's a a little bit later. Hello. It's Aaron again it took too long. I guess sorry. Hopefully, we'll see messages and not just the second one, but basically Bathroom Ghost or whatever. Talks to the only other employees that I knew was. In, the building with me and she said, she hadn't gone to that bathroom all day. And just GonNa let us like why did something happen and they're just kinda laughed but maybe unless it there. I was telling the story to when my siblings a little bit ago and I realized like Oh right when I was a kid I was like terrified of bathrooms. it wasn't because of Bloody Mary stuff I've had a really sheltered about bringing so I didn't really know that was the thing. But just like the loud noises and things. So either I'm always super on edge unconsciously in the bathroom or Something new for perhaps that I was scared of bathrooms and took advantage of that. I go back and forth on scepter skeptical and BELIEBER. So I guess I miss teen in between. Yeah that's my story. Thanks so much for the podcast like listening to. By. All right. That's errands toilet ghost bathroom ghosts bathroom may British well, she is kind of a toilet. Look that was an amazing story Aaron thank you so much sharing that big you. Sorry. Super Creepy. Sorry that it got broken into two voicemails. Yeah but. It works the limitation of voicemail I guess I guess but and it was it was really interesting in what I liked about the story. The most is that it just comes sneaks up on you the ghost depart. Yeah. You know it's just like dude, do this is. then. This happened and then I realized wait a minute. There's no one else in your with me and that would be pretty terrifying. You know I had one experience in the bathroom as well. So it was in the bathroom and I was playing with my phone. Meanwhile in the bathroom I know that's kind kinda gross. Yeah. But then all of a sudden, the lights turned off. And I was at work. and. Here's the thing I. I have a question for you. Do. You Get up from doing your thing to turn the lights back on to you know the motion detector to have it see you or do you just sit in darkness I think it depends how much more time I have like how much more time I need. Okay. Like if I'm getting close then I might just finish what I'm new in and then I was working somebody would come in to the bathroom and realize that I've been sitting in darkness in the bathroom. Yeah. That is that's a real concern with those auto lights. Yeah. Probably not haunted but now that was that was my experience. So. Thank you. Erin. For calling in. We really appreciate it So how how would people give you one of their go stories or tell you what? We want we want to go stories so you can do it a couple of different ways. You can leave a voicemail six, three, zero, four, four, eight, two, one, three, eight. Yes. You can send an email. Yeah. Info at ghostly podcast. Dot Com. And then you can always just send send a message on social media of any kind and then what else? Oh, there's snail mail. There snail yeah. You could send us a postcard. You could send us a package of baked goods you can send us. Well, nobody is really small. So if if it's baked goods may be one cookie. or You could send your stories via envelope and stamp. To Po box number two, six, four, Geneva Illinois six, zero, one, three, four, and if you forget all that, go to our website ghostly podcast dot com scroll to the very bottom. We have all of our info on in the footer. Yeah you got it and you know support the post office and. Send us a letter. Yes. So people have been supporting US lately too by giving US reviews on the apple podcast and we're going to do a shoutout. Do these two ways to get a shout out on the show. You can leave us a review on apple podcast. We love. The five star wants right those are the best but I mean, we'll take anyone. Unfortunately we will read the One star reviews to Fart, Fart Fart And What's the other way? Do you remember you can join us on a by asa caught by me a coffee coffee we will shout out to any supporters or new members. Yeah. So we do have to reviews I'm going to read the first one rebecca you read the second one got. So this is a five star review and this is from daily nineteen and it's titled Educational and Fun. I I stumbled across this podcast in the middle of quarantine desperate for something new to listen to I was soon hooked and have listened to every episode. I. Love The historical facts as well as the supernatural side. I. Tend to lead lean towards Hashtag teen believer but am open to being skeptical. Does that even make sense laugh out. Loud thanks for helping me keep my sanity through uncertain times. Now, this person did actually right O. Well, not laugh out loud I I want people to know that that they. Want. Right out laugh though. I. Don't like the abbreviations I like to write everything out. Our mine is from JEN IN PA okay. Okay I love the show and listen while I commute to and from work about an hour totally a day I am kind of middle of the road since I'm a believer but also realize that some over exaggerate stories and maybe stretch the truth from time to time and that bums me out since I really do love creepy stories, keep them coming. I don't always vote Hashtag team believer but what I do, I make sure it counts Oh, I could see that one mean with the with the beer guy whatever. I don't always but when I do. Think. So much and you know it's okay to be team in the middle and and to to look at things with a critical mind we appreciate that here go slow. We don't Mind Hash Tag team twenty. That is not a thing that is great. Passion. In the middle or the Middle Hashtag team medal. That's fine. So I am super super excited for the polls for this episode. How how'd you want to read the polls? Is that how excited you're sure. If you want me to her usually, let you read it but I mean back in the day I used to read them occasionally. Yeah. So. In Our last episode, we talked about. Bloody Mary demand by the way, Rebecca's bloody Mary come to visit you since then some weird stuff has happened. Yeah. Power ship turned itself off So I'm looking at your power strip now and it's sitting on its side, and if you pull it a little bit there is like a metal bar there that could have hit it. Some mapping. Bloody Mary happened okay. So the question was is the bloody Mary Legend Real. So. It was seventy, nine point six to twenty point four. You feel confident about that. I I am feeling confident about what the answer is. Yes. The answer was no. A that's who won seventy nine point six percent. And it was a good victory for Hashtag team skeptic. I don't get many of these. So now it's been awhile well and I I think what helped you is that I also was pretty much a team skeptic on this one you were yeah I was really surprised tab. Take team skeptic. I'm fine with that C.. So it's okay that's how we be critical. Okay you. We'd be critical. Yeah. That's. Go now critical thinkers, right? Yeah I. Wish you sometimes it open yourself off. Open just don't believe in Ghost I'm sorry. So to vote in the polls this time, it's just going to be on our website. So we've been having some more issues with facebook polls and we just decided you know what? We're not even GONNA risk the chance of a of it networking this time. So we are going straight for our website. You can go to ghostly podcast, dot com slash polls, or just go to the site and Click on polls although if you want to discuss the episode, ghostly society is the place to do that, and we will definitely start a discussion in their absolutely or in any of our social media on their So if you WANNA join ghostly society, go to facebook dot com slash group slash grossly society all one Word Okay So we got that done man I was so excited about the pulse. I don't think it's going to go the same way for this episode Well, we'll see we'll see this is our second listener choice episode. I really enjoy doing these I. Don't know about you. Yeah. I do too. It helps. You know because we have a lot of ideas, but it's nice to to let the listener kinda guide us where we should go. Yup So our first one was about the von Erich family and and that was that was a lot of fun because it was like my childhood coming out there I mean it was a sad story, but it was definitely. I mean yeah. I'm not excited about the story I'm excited that I got to talk about stuff that's about wrestling. So this is one of those episodes that we had really wanted to do. We had always wanted to do Gettysburg. But I. Guess we're kind of asking your permission by having it as listener choice episode. Although a few listeners had actually suggested this as an episode. Seems like this episode is coming to us very. Fitting. Time in our country's. I'm back then the world was just as polarized as it is today and I want to admit to everyone that I totally see it to. So many of us are on opposite sides at this moment. WHOA WHOA. You're going here. Will Yeah I mean it's important that we talk about this on ghostly. Okay. But I mean like were like politics. Well, I mean. Half of us are Hashtag team believer in the other our hash tag team skeptic. How can we even exist in the same space then right It is a challenge. No, let's be fair here. We are not just talking about ghostly when when we say that. Although we do want to keep this podcast politics free. And just because I joke, please don't. Take any of the current situations in the world lightly. I have a very heavy heart that We are not a unified country at this moment. And I me too and I think that part of our hope with ghostly. is to to take a subject that's a little less. Scary to talk about. But yet is still polarizing where you're seeing ghosts are less scary than politics. How in today's world? Be Right with relatives and things like that, and you know yet to show that it is possible to have a conversation with the other side you find a middle ground sometimes into to understand the you can. You can see how someone sees the world and it. Makes you better a better person when you understand someone else better true I mean I do have to admit it is kind of frustrating when you know somebody believes things other than what I believe. But I mean that's part of being a human being and I'd rather be associated with people that don't feel exactly one hundred percent the way that I feel because they could help me grow yeah right. Exactly. So anyways, this episode I'm we are really excited about it As. I said it's been one of those topics that we've wanted to talk about. We're going to be talking about the town of Gettysburg Pennsylvania. The site of the Gettysburg address after the battle of Gettysburg that took the life of over fifty thousand people. Americans just yet hazy back between July first in July third in eighteen, sixty three. You have a ghost story to kick us off I do. All that well, it's not GonNa get a lot happier. Life boomed just letting you know definitely a You know sad topic but but definitely interesting. Okay. So here is our. Today awesome. Charlie woke up with a start and gasped I saw them. I. Got Up and hurried over to him hoping he hadn't woken his sister sleeping next to him. Luckily, she was still out from our long day of touring, Gettysburg. Charlie was panting and looking terrified. Who did you see whispered wiping his forehead he was sweating the soldiers, doctors people running everywhere. The were screaming and scared. I did my best to calm down and explain it was just a dream. We had taken a historical tour that day and learned a lot about the battle. Usually. He does well learning about history and not taking it into his dreams but I guess this was the exception. Our Guide had been a bit more graphic explanations than I was expecting. After a while I got him back to sleep, but now I was awake. I. Like to my husband still asleep through it all of course. After twenty minutes of laying in bed and looking at the ceiling I realized, I wasn't going to sleep like this. I need to walk around clear my head. I found my shoes remember to grab a room key and snuck out of our hotel room. The farnsworth house in headed interesting place to stay this trip. At has been here since before the battle there still bullet holes from the snipers and fighting that happened here. It's like living in the history I thought to myself. I made my way downstairs thinking maybe I'll just sit in one of the compete shares in the living room off the lobby. Read one of the books there. But as I turned down the hallway. I see glowing light at the other end. Curious I continue down the hall to see what it is. I'm pretty sure the latest coming from the breakfast room. Maybe someone is in there getting a snack I think like a gopher a snack. When I got to the doorway. Something feels off. The late doesn't look like normal artificial light. When I turn and take a step into the room a half to stifle a scream. Inside the room is a scene like from a movie. Thursday table with a civil war soldier on it he is covered in blood and one of his legs is gone. To nurses are trying to control the blood will at doctor seems to be getting some tools ready. Is this some reenactment practice I thought. I opened my mouth to ask just that when I realized there. No sound. It's quiet in the room. And the light is coming from the scene itself. It's like I'm watching an old silent movie. The same movie my son had just told me he dreamed about I realize. A shook my head at closed. My eyes thinking I'm just imagining it but when I open them seen still there. One of the nurses looks at me. I almost think she sees me. But then she looks back down at the patient and says something I can't hear to the doctor I realize that the patient has died he didn't make it. I close my eyes and sorrow and when I open them. This time the scene is gone. Just gone. I realize I'm shaking and very cold. Glancing over my shoulder, the whole way I make my way back up to our room as quickly as I can. Laying down, I think there is no way I can sleep after that. But I do. Wow. How much of that? Did you make up? A fair amount. Okay, I mean some of it is based on. Evidence, we're going to talk about, but a lot of it is. Is Different. Like the characters are fictitious and the location I mean it's a real location but that is not a thing that is talked about at the ferns the Farnsworth though the sniper bullet holes are real. Oh, that's cool. Ask Cool. All right I think we should probably take a break because we have a pretty long history section coming up. Sounds get. Cal Panic I got a question for you. What's that Bob? Would he know about off man the wachner monster ghosts, demons, things that go bump in the night not much. Bob Will Lucky for you. We host podcast called Bob after dark when we talk about Legend's war and a supernatural. Wow. Where can I find this podcast wherever you find your great podcasts at? All right. We're back and Rebecca are you ready for the extra long history section? Let's do it. Love it. All right. So would be really easy for us to start with the history of the battle of Gettysburg right? It would but let's be fair that has never been what goes leads about. So I'm GONNA take a look back at the complete history of this town. Although I cannot cover every single detail though because there's just way too much. or we would just simply have a Gettysburg podcast. Which? At the history would kind of be fascinating right? Right I mean I'm sure there are Gettysburg podcast there and Yeah. Books movies I mean Yeah so we're definitely GonNa hit the highlights. Still a lot about movies that are made from books. You'd think that is possible for Gettysburg Yeah. What about books that are written from movies? Data I'm not sure about okay. So let's start off this with the early history of Gettysburg. Samuel gettys was born in Seventeen, twenty, five in Randalstown. County Atrium of Northern Ireland. When he was fourteen or fifteen years old, he arrived in, America can't really call it the United States though then right that's true because it wasn't He was a pioneer that came to the new lands to start his life and family. There were a lot of Scottish and Irish settlers in those days all looking for their own land in Pennsylvania? Southeast Pennsylvania already had around one hundred and fifty families. There were mostly farmers some worked at flower or sawmills and others were tanners or blacksmiths. All things we don't really have as much of anymore right? True. Or do you know of any flower? Well, there's still a farmer sawmills and there some of those and there are some tanner's yeah. Not As many blacksmiths. No, we need more blacksmiths in the world. Today. I eventually in seventeen forty nine, your county was established which encompassed what is now considered Adams County. In seventeen sixty, two Samuel Getty acquired a tavern license. I mean they figured they might as well give give him the license as he had been running an underground tavern for years at that point. So the county might as well make some money on it. Smart County Right. In seventeen sixty five Samuel acquired the legal title to three hundred, eighty one acres of land that surrounded the tavern. He officially restore side his tavern it became hugely successful so much. So that recruitment for George Washington's Continental Army took place there in June of Seventeen, seventy five. That's interesting right? Everything was going great and Samuel might have founded the town of Gettysburg right then in there but he had found himself in some debt. In order to get some of the land, he had to donate money to the continental army. And after they won the revolutionary more for he had all this land but not much actual money. I see. So when I sa- play monopoly okay. With my one friend, Courtney when we were kids we always used to call her the farmer because she would buy up like every piece of property then have zero. Money. Way With anything which is a pretty bad thing to say about farmers. I. That's definitely not. True, but at the time, like you have a lot of land and no money. was used definitely land heavy. So in order to satisfy debts, the court ordered him to sell off some of his land in. Seventeen. Eighty. But Samuel had a son, a very smart son that became fairly successful in eventually bought back one, hundred, sixteen of the. Three hundred eighty one acres that Samuel had and some of that land had been where the tavern in the store were at. James laid out blueprints of the town of Gettysburg. The blueprints allowed for two hundred, ten lots, and they used a lottery system to sell these lots. One of the early buyers was a man by the name of John Trucks will. He was a revolutionary war veteran and by the time of his death at the ripe old age of ninety four, he had ten children. One of them was Abraham. Trucks will who was the first child born in Gettysburg? John Trucks will had seventy one grandchildren. and. Twenty great grandchildren before he passed. On, one of his great great grandchildren is a man named William Truck Saul who became the mayor of Gettysburg and served until two thousand sixteen. Oh. Wow Right. How interesting that really spans the gap there there hell Gettysburg was officially born on January tenth seventeen, eighty, six, I like the use of the word boring Samuel. Getty died in Gettysburg on March fifteenth seventeen ninety after watching the plots of land that he had got with his tavern become a town. Gettysburg grew just like any other small town, but it had a slower start. In seventeen ninety five, they had only sold off about a quarter of the plots. In, eighteen hundred, they became the county seat of the newly formed Adams County. There were few towns that were in the race to get this honor, but it was because the town pledged to raise the seven thousand dollars that it would cost to build the county building. So they figured win win situation they needed to build the building anyways and if they were going to pay for it might as well make them Make them the county seat. There you go. Okay. So. if not for people like gettys and the truck CELS Gettysburg wouldn't have been the same town that it is. Now it wouldn't have that name though right because Gettysburg came from Gatti's. In eighteen, fifty, nine Gettysburg got a railroad line from Gettysburg to Hanover, which actually I think it was used until the early nineteen hundreds and then it stopped being used for a little bit and then they reestablished it again. In eighteen sixty, the town had grown to four hundred and fifty buildings. So that's that's pretty good. I mean that one hundred, ten, Lhasa or fifty buildings. That's a lot. So that brings us now to the battle of Gettysburg this was a huge turning point in our nation's history and it was the it had the most casualties of the entire civil war. Yeah I. Mean It's a big number. It is definitely like fifty thousand people. I mean it's interesting to think this town just had a regular. History just a small town history and then now it's Vamos infamous I don't know. The town's fault known what happened here in any way and I think I mean you'll tell us about how it got to that be in that town but. It's just interesting. You know that it was just a regular town. It was. It's not like New York or you know like a big city where you would imagine the big battles for Charlotte or something like that. It's just this. Regular town that anyone could be living in and all of the sudden. You know you're you're. Famous I'm going to talk about that in just a second union Major General George. Meade's Army of the Potomac defeated the confederate general Robert L Lee's Army of Northern Virginia and essentially halted Lee's invasion of the north. To be honest though as Rebecca kind of was saying Li hadn't really foreseen that there was going to be a battle Gettysburg his sites were much higher than that. It was accidental. that. This was a major battleground. Lee had a strike on the north prior to this and it was unsuccessful but they they had just had a huge victory in Virginia. These confederate army of northern. Virginia were were brimming with confidence after this major victory that they had. In Lee wanted to strike again. So this would have been very strategic for the confederates at this time as it would have given them a position that they could eventually attack Philadelphia Baltimore and Washington D. C.. And they could get some more supplies from the very rich northern farms. But maybe even more importantly, it could take some of the heat out of Virginia, which is where a good portion of the battles were fought. Now, I've heard that the confederates actually went after Gettysburg because there was a large supply of shoes there. Oh, that's interesting. But that's not true. There were no shoe manufacturers in Gettysburg at that time. Okay. So the theory was is that you know I mean you're in war and these people are walking a lot. Their shoes are going to wear down eventually. So the theory was that they actually one after Gettysburg just for the shoes interesting but they didn't it was purely accidental. But it when they were going it was that they they were going north. They were going north but they wanted to strike a bigger town I gotcha. Okay and all the roads. They're kind of lead through Gettysburg if you went into that part of Pennsylvania. All right then so they were kind of forced into it. If they wanted to take roads shirt, they could have crossed over forested land but then. Those darn shoes would have wore out even quicker than right? Yeah interesting. so I'll although Lee made several mistakes leading into this battle and in the battle itself they were outnumbered going into it. though they really didn't know this necessarily, the Union army was spread apart. And I, it consisted of a lot of different militias. And they didn't know exactly how many people there are going to be facing at that time. Also if we look at the union side of things, Lincoln was very displeased with his general and leader of the army of the Potomac. which was Joseph Hooker at the time. while he outgunned and outnumbered Lee's troops, he seemed very reluctant to confront Louis. Lee's army after they were defeated and Chancellor's fell. I would say, I, have no I. I read Lincoln Bagger favorite a couple, and I just remember that he replaced his generals lot. Like I don't remember this necessarily in particular but. I just know there were a lot of times. He would be like unhappy and you know pull in somebody else will hooker pretty much. Them. To get to Gettysburg. Where they should have cut him off right away Gotcha. So they were in northern territory and Lincoln felt they. He should have stopped them before Chancellor Ville is actually in Virginia okay, and that was the major victory and then they marched from there it was two months that they had to do something and hooker didn't do anything Gotcha So luck would have it that hooker resigned. Oh Jeez He resigned on June twenty eighth eighteen sixty three in this gave Lincoln the chance to put in Major General George Gordon need. It's a long name. It is a long name Once mead was established he set out in pursuit of Lee's seventy, five, thousand men. These men had just crossed the Potomac River and were into Maryland, and marching towards Pennsylvania. So because of that. They pretty much were GONNA end up in Gettysburg. Well, and it's weird whatever you say Potomac, because I was thinking the Potomac as in DC. It's not just in DC. It's a whole river but it my brain disassociates that so I could see being like. That's nervous. You know or they're on their way was definitely a dividing line between the north and the south during the war yeah. LE- must been outraged when he found out that the union soldiers had crossed the Potomac. Leah tried hard to make this impossible. He when they were going through they were destroying a lot of the railways. And destroying the telegraph lines that were crucial for the communication. So they really believed that they were going to have a sneak attack on a big city. Leeann planned to have his troops all meet up in Gettysburg Bow. Although a crucial mistake that he made was to send off some of the cavalry to the east of the large union force. This would mean that they wouldn't return for the most crucial first two days of the battle So he didn't have some of his troops. Yeah Yeah. The cavalry, which was very important General AP Hill command had approached Gettysburg looking for supplies. When they saw that some union soldiers had arrived the day before them. So it just so happened that everybody just kind of met up there. It was going to be that you know Gettysburg was the combining of all the confederate troops and they were going to march on from there. and the Union had kind of. Plan the same kind of thing I guess. Okay interesting. So Lisa that this was a huge advantage and he gave orders to attack the union soldiers that were there. Early, he gave these orders to you'll a man who had taken command of the army of the northern Virginia after leased most trusted general. Thomas. J. Stonewall Jackson was mortally wounded during the battle that the confederates one in chancellor. Ville. You'll decline the orders though as he considered, the Union's position was way too strong. Now, night, more troops arrived in extended the defensive line along. Cemetery. Ridge to the hill known as little round top. So if they have attacked when Lee had said that maybe they have overtaken the union troops that had been there because they waited more union troops arrive maybe I mean you know and there's there's also this theory that if the confederates had taken little round top early that they would have won that battle but I've seen conflicting reports, they were just outnumbered and outgunned. So it might have it might have made for more casualties on the Union side which might have turned more battles after battle of Gettysburg. So interesting. Yeah. So now it is been said that not a lot of battle actually happened on day one. but this is simply not true in my research I found that upwards of sixteen thousand men lost their lives on day one. Through. Various battles. But on D. Two, which is the more popular the days For the Battle of Gettysburg, the Union army had established strong positions from Cope's hill to cemetery ridge. Lee was hell bent on winning this war against the advice of his second in command James Long Street he wanted to attack the union where they stood. He ordered Long Street to lead an attack on the unions left while us. Troops would attack on the right. Idea was that this would happen early in the day, Belong Street couldn't even get into position until about four PM. And then over the next several hours, the battle raged along sickles line, which stretched from the nest of folders known as Devil's Dan which I think you're going to be talking about devils. Dan Oh yeah. We've already we've you've been mentioning some stuff talk about for sure devils Dan into a peach orchard as well as a nearby wheatfield. Loops of little round top. You know an orchard field is not the ideal setting for a battle of this magnitude. Yeah. That's true. the union held little round top but lost the orchard, the field and Devil's den. In, at the end of day to the confederates were actually this battle. But at what cost each side had lost over nine thousand men each. And so far, there was thirty five thousand bodies scattered everywhere around the area. So if you could picture that I mean that's all I mean yeah, it's imaginable. It is definitely definitely one of the bloodiest battles in America's history well and I mean the thing you always thinking about with the civil wars unlike every other war everyone that died was an American. So when you count I wouldn't say every there were other influences that help but but I mean they'd were if you know share fighting overseas. We'll have the half the people you know might be America you know Americans and the other half are some other country whereas if it's here fighting each other. We're all the casualties. Oh absolutely and because of this location to there were a lot of people that were family that were on both sides. Oh right and actually During the civil war people didn't really know how to ask about this because we hadn't had You know America fighting America before so like you would have the battle in the middle and on the outskirts, there would be people having picnics watching the war. Cash yeah crazy. Well, I know I read one story of a woman who was making biscuits and got shot. While she was doing that Oh, I could definitely see you know. It will yeah I'll let you finish in case you're gonNA talk about some stuff but it's it is it is interesting but let's say like Russia had invaded the US today it would be like us going to watch the battle and sitting in the outskirts you know with no fear that that the Russians were going to kill us Because it was America versus America yeah it was different. It was really weird war. So on day three. Lee thought that his men were very close to victory. Lee decided to send three divisions of his men less than fifteen thousand troops and have them March almost a mile across open fields to attack a dug in Union infantry position. Long Street protested, but of course, Lee was not hearing it. He ordered the attack under General George Pickett. This. Part of the battle was called Pickett's charge. it started around three PM. So war usually happen in the afternoon during these. Hey. Well, when you have that many guy how they takes that long to clear things out or I don't know the confederate started in artillery bombardment with one hundred and fifty confederate guns. The Union infantry just had to pick off as many confederate soldiers as they could before they reach them one mile away. And at the same time, they were doing that regiments from. Vermont York and Ohio hit both the enemies flakes. The confederates were caught from all sides and they lost two thirds of their men. Lee waited the next day. July, fourth eighteen, sixty three, which is very symbolic July. Fourth, right he waited for a counter attack but it never came. So the Union. During all of this were basically just holding their own ground. Okay. They weren't trying to they weren't. They weren't actively on offense they run defense the whole time Gotcha. On that night in heavy rain, the confederate army pulled back to Virginia. In the union had won the battle of Gettysburg. While while I guess they a guessing they just lost too many people they did and Not only that I mean their position was really bad at this point. So they wanted to pull away at the end of the civil war though sure sure. Oh Yeah. They they wanted to live to fight on another day. Now in movies, it's often portrayed that while cleaning up the remains of the dead that Abraham Lincoln came in and gave his Gettysburg address. this isn't true. In fact, it's far from the truth. And Lincoln They've people have said that he wrote part of the Gettysburg address are all the Gettysburg address envelopes on the way to Gettysburg. But the Library of Congress has the actual first drafts and it was written on stationery wasn't written on envelope. It's just folk legend. What is true is that he delivered the Gettysburg address on November nineteenth eighteen, sixty three, which was some four months after the battle. If they had waited for months to remove the remains there. It would be very difficult. Yes. So definitely, the by that point, the remains had been. Did you read some of the craziness about the remains? No. So I mean obviously for me with my ghost research, I think they focused more on that But the idea was that the battle, a lot of people thinking and a lot of what you talked about happening fields and you know in these more. Nature areas but but it was also fought in the town. I mean the entire town was the battlefield But yes, soldiers afterwards you know there were just so many dead. I mean you can't mean as fast as you can bury people, you can't do it fast enough and just a lot of graphic details that I. I won't go into you know here but you know it was hot it's the middle of summer and just Really, disturbing. Yes. Corruptions of what happened to to these beasts bodies you know, and so I'm glad Lincoln wasn't there I guess is what I'm. Brazil, a dangerous space for him to be at that point but also just very disease ridden and dangerous and and a difficult difficult space. Yeah and. If, you listen to our episode on Abraham, Lincoln and even the Italian bride we talked about that linkin actually wanted to. To Take Care of the dead right away. He was really big on that. He believed that that's one of the things that he owed the families of these victims or these soldiers not victims they got into it willingly. So yeah, he was quick to have people in bombed and you know buried so. four months later there was probably no remains left there. So. But. The Gettysburg address was inspired by the events of the battle. That's why that's why it was setting Gettysburg. But the Gettysburg address. That Lincoln delivered was only two, hundred, seventy, two words. It transformed the unions 'cause into a struggle for liberty and equality. It helped garner more support and was a day that our nation became more compassionate. We will always still have a lot of work to do for this mission of equality but Lincoln's words touched the nation. And how Rebecca would you mind reading this for US This is Lincoln's how how he ended the Gettysburg address shore. From these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion. that. We here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain. That this nation under God shall have a new birth of freedom. And that government of the people by the people for the people shall not perish from the earth. Burying spiring words right absolute. The whole address and just steps. Yeah. So the thing that I found very interesting is that. Fifteen thousand people came to hear that address. Wow and it was a it was a dedication of a national cemetery. Lincoln didn't even receive top billing on this event. Did you know that know Edward Everett a politician and pastor was the headliner? Everett spoke for two hours. The words that he said we're not meant for the common man though. They were meant for other politicians or at least well to do or educated people. that was how politicians talked in those days they talk to other politicians and educated people. Lincoln in his two hundred, seventy, two words actually changed the way that politicians delivered speeches. No longer would speech be written just for the educated speeches would come from the heart and try to touch every single person. And although of all the speakers on this day. Only. About two hundred of the fifteen thousand people in the in the whole attendance would actually hear those words. As, there were no microphones. So Lincoln had to. Talk really loud and he was a fairly spoken person in even if he shouted only the first ten rows of people could actually hear what he had to say. The rest would have to wait until the next day or even a week later when it was put in their local newspapers and again, they had a bunch of picnics while he was delivering it, they would sit on a hill and. Have a picnic in just look at people. They couldn't even see because they were so far away and couldn't hear a word that the screen above him behind Tron. Titan Triton. In, fact Everett the person that was the headliner wrote a letter to Lincoln saying this I wish that I could flatter myself that I could come as near to the central idea of the occasion in two hours as you did in two minutes. The civil war ended on April ninth eighteen, sixty, five heavy reached the equality that Lincoln spoke about. Maybe as I don't think he could have actually imagined a world where people of color were treated the same as white people. But. I mean we have to do much much better and bring about the equality that most everyone agrees is needed. It's time and it's far pastime. Absolutely. Yeah I again I, I feel like. Our Nation as you cut earlier is divided. You know in a lot of ways still won't one thing we should never be divided on is human rights. Absolutely. You have anything to add to the history just that I. It's we've talked a little bit about the devastation, and just the idea that more people died in this battle then I think like an all of the Vietnam War. As far as Americans go you know I'm not sure of that fact. I'm pretty sure I read that fact, but anyway, it's it's it's it's a lot and it's it's incomprehensible to think about and I just again I I live in a county seat. In, a town that is kind of central to my little region and it's like this idea that. You know just it could happen. I mean hopefully. But the idea that like you could just be living your life I mean you know that there's battles happening and like like you said, you know like people just of were watching it and then all of a sudden it's in your town and it's there and there's a woman making biscuits and you know, but then I think. There are cities in our country. Where that does happen violence does come. To your neighbor hopefully no picnics while they're. pollino picnics I don't know. anyways it's difficult. It's a challenging time It's interesting to hear about this history and I appreciate you walk into the three days because I I have seen movies but it I will say I'm I'm more red on the revolutionary word that I am on the civil war. So this was interesting to. Individual Battles, right? Yeah. But I mean to think that day fifty thousand men died from what nowadays people would Think were were foolish foolish reasons I. mean nominee people right now would question that people should be slaves hopefully. Let's hope. So fifty thousand people die. You know for something that we take for granted on a day to day basis nowadays. Yeah that we should all be free. Yes and Yeah I really hope that. the country is heading in the right direction as far as equality. Being more open to talk to each other. If we can't do anything, we should at least be equal. We should at least see each other as human beings. Yes that's a good starting place. Yeah. All right. So let's take a break. He listeners did you know there's a way to share with the world whether you're Hashtag team believer or hashtags team skeptic or for those? Who Need it tag team the middle it's our store called ghostly gear. 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You got. Okay. So we have a number of things today I wanted to try to get in some kind of more. Recent sightings along with some classic stories that people tell Gettysburg, I will just say over all there's a lot I have not been to Gettysburg, but there are a lot of tours and we had a lot of listeners talk about those in the comments on facebook. So although a lot of people say that they're similar to the GALENA goes tours. Did, go Lena goes towards and we will do an episode on Galena Illinois at some point. Yeah definitely. Anyway. So there's a lot of lot of stuff going on and as I picked. Some of the stories certainly, not enough time to go over all of them. Okay. So the first thing, actually references a little bit back to the go story of today It's the Phantom Surgery. defendthem surgery. Yeah. So this story shows up a lot of websites I pulled it from live about and Gettysburg the Gettysburg College website, which is where this happened. So, Gettysburg College was I think it was called like, Pennsylvania. College. Back in the day but it was around and it has been the site of of several different encounters over the years but the the one that is the most popular is what's to college administrators claim to have seen one night. Okay. So at during the battle, the building had been used as a field hospital. During the Gettysburg but this night. So this was you know after battling Gettysburg. to administrators taking the elevator down from the fourth floor to the first. they weren't thinking about the battle because it had been like a hundred years before. the elevator past the first floor and continued onto the basement. They had not pressed the basement button but the elevator. On its own went to the basement. The opened and the administrators couldn't believe what they saw It was supposed to be a storage space, but it was a scene from the hospital. There were dead and dying men lying all over the floor blood covered doctors, and these were rushing around chaotically trying to save the lives of the soldiers. they didn't hear any sound. but they just they saw it. They saw it very clearly. they were obviously horrified freaking out, they pushed the elevator buttons to close the doors as the doors close. They said, one of the orderlies looked up and directly at them appearing to see them with a pleading expression on his face. and then this was interesting they it didn't see this everywhere but in a couple places they talked about. That one of the The sky the tour guide Nesbitt I think is his name. He's the one that wrote a lot of the goes stories. He would been a ranger that the he was told the story a couple was retold the story by a complete stranger. And, the stranger was like, oh no, no I know all about it as the person who experienced this parable that was a friend of theirs who wants attended the college. But after the couple in the stranger Kinda gave details to each other namely like the names of the people it turned out that the couple was referencing an entirely separate account. So in other words, this happened a couple of times to different people supposedly. Gets confusing there. Okay. anyways. So what do you think? I don't have much to say as I wasn't there and I can't analyze the evidence or anything like that The only thing that I could think of is that these are stories that are told. To people and those people tell other people on those people, write it down. So facts can be changed in exaggerated over the years and over the tailings of these stories. You know. I am I'm not sure I. don't even know where to go with that because to me this isn't evidence that. You know I could see or be a part of or look at. So it's really hard to come up with any explanation for what might have happened at that time. That being said, my rating this will be to probably wow, that's pretty high for me. It is pretty high for you. I'm going to give it a I'm gonNA give it a six. Okay. which is a little lower side for me just because I. It does seem a little interesting that there are people that you know new different people that supposedly saw it. But you are right that those people didn't the people who supposedly actually saw it weren't the ones to write it down. Yeah and. Harder like I searched for any kind of news stories or anything like that were they actually interviewed these people or any video footage of them being interviewed and and they have not been interviewed like that. So. therefore, it's like it's like a he said, she said kind of thing, and then my only other thing is that I could say that Nesbitt wrote a book about it and when you write a book, I mean, you could be making money and I don't want to just say it's about money I'd like to believe that he actually heard these stories you know and that he's it's actually a true account, but I have no proof of anything. So the only thing I could debate in this is I could debate Nesbitt, that's about it. And that's not fair for this story. So I'm I'm choosing not to debate this topic but not to. Believe too too much of it because no, you know I mean we haven't talked to these people. These people have never come come forward. Agate that that's it'd be scary to come forward and talk about it. I mean watching the ufo stuff and the unsolved mystery episode five about the UFO, which if you haven't seen that, you should probably watch it. I understand where these people might have a hard time speaking out people would You know think that they're liars call them names. There's there's a lot of you know hazing that would happen after something like that. But I can't take it as evidence than either it's it's it's a challenge. It's a challenge that I'm not taking so. All right. Okay. So now I've got the next two are based on videos which I shared with. You of watch and I will, of course, include on the show notes and. I will also say something just interesting about both of these videos is that. The one. No say this one took place at night but the other took place during the day. Yes and one interesting thing i. read a little bit of a book that was written about some ghost hunting that was done in like the eighties. It was a while ago or maybe it was early nineties but and they were just talking about how actually they've closed off some of the parks at night because there's just too many people I think you can do it with the ghost tour. but anyways that and I and I remember talking about this way back in our paranormal limitation society thing. But it was they were claiming that it is just as likely to get. VP's all of those things during the daytime and Gettysburg as it is at night that goes through just as active anytime that it doesn't matter. Anyway especially around three or four PM. There you go. All right. So the first piece of evidence was a video of a ghostly figure thing they naming. So often throughout any of the battlefield areas, the things that you talked about places you talked about people claim to see ghostly figures and this was a video of one they were driving around by the cemetery there were gravestones and like not real cannons but lake cannons as like you know I think they were real cameras but I think that they were on non nonfunctional. Yes. There you go. That's what I mean to set. He just take out some of the insides of it. But as they're they're filming a figure well, what you describe what you saw. What would I see in the video and I've watched it probably ten times now I see a person that looks like he's in like I'm assuming that this is a night vision kind of camera. So the coloring will would be off but I'm seeing like a man in like a white robe. With a black belt around it. So it's probably a black robe with the light colored belt around it or something, and his face looks Pale white kind of like You know in karate kid when they were when Cobra Kai People Johnny in the Cobra. Kai. People were being the skeletons which is really cool costume just just in case listeners didn't know PAT is. Really into the credit I. Love the Crotty kid like watches it over and over again. But it looked like some monk or something like that. That was out there and the way that he walked was very much just like just a bro. It was just a bro behind the behind the canons. Well, he's behind again is, and then he walks in front he almost as walking towards them a little bit and then fades away i. Sorry just looks like a person I. Don't know if they staged the video or if they got you know fooled themselves if they were punked. Okay that's to me. It looked ghostly figure but I will say to me. It didn't look real. I. Didn't look legit. It looked like Photoshop Ter- store or there was a person walking and then they did they distorted it or something happened I mean their reactions were very believable but I will say to me the footage looked not real looked hokey cokey. So what rating would you give us zero Sarah I? I would give it a three. I'll give them a little bit. Maybe it was something but I don't think. So all right. All right next video there's no ghostly figure but another common claim although although in the comments if you look people do say that there is something they video I didn't see any see that and the people are talking about this. It's a very oddly named video I don't know. But it's people claim another thing people claim on the battlefields to hear sounds of the battle to hear soldiers crying out that is a common paranormal thing. So this is a video and on the video you clearly hear voices I mean it's it's not as loud as you might think, you know it's there and it sounds like they're yelling run several voices and I'm GonNa be honest. This was probably the one of the more chilling videos that I've watched. In a while. So. Okay. First of all, let's talk about the title. It mentioned something about an EDP. Okay. It does but it doesn't sound like an AV piano. So that's what I'm GONNA say it doesn't sound like an EDP because an MVP usually sounds like it's somebody that or the the volume is not. Portrayed from like far distance. It's portrayed from where the speaker right and it's like staticky style. So this is this wasn't that I don't think. So the naming was really weird. also when. When I when I watched it, it reminded me of camping. And I've done a fair bit of camping Where you know it's in a campground with other people in it and you might not be right next to the next camp site but it sounds like a couple of campsites over and somebody just yelling it doesn't sound. Like. It's a ghost or or or anything like that. I. It doesn't. I mean sounds like just a person yelling run. I thought it definitely sounded more. Go See than that I did not and very creepy. I didn't I don't buy into this one bit I? mean. There's no. Okay. So even if we're going to accept this as evidence right there is no evidence that this was a ghost. It could be a person and if it could be a person, isn't that more likely that it's a person then than a coast yelling something So what's Your Rating Zero k? I'm giving this one, a seven what yes. No, it was creepy command. We watch the same thing we're going to post these. Go Society will put them out on the if you want to join our coffee group, maybe we'll share the videos for our members. By me a coffee if you do that, you know, but it'll they'll be linked in the show notes to but early early access to some of the others. Okay. All right. Moving on. So you mentioned the Devil's den I did mention that in your in your history. So, this series actually been around for a while and there's lots of stories as to why it's called Devil's den, none of which are really like the devil It's all other reasons but even before. The civil war. People would talk about it as an eerie creepy place and there was a lot of things with native Americans there a battle supposedly happened there you know. So it's it's been around as a as a weird place in the eighteen eighties a man named Emmanuel. Bushman wrote about the Irina of the area he claimed that there had been a battle here with native Americans and wrote that it was an area of many unnatural and supernatural sights and sounds. So the point of that is just to say. That it's not like just recently that people decided, this is a creepy area even back in the eighteen hundreds. People talked about it as creepy. So. Here is the famous story. Okay. So in the nineteen seventies, a woman approached arranger and claim that she had been at Devil's den taking photos in the early morning as she was by the boulder she felt that someone was behind her she turned to look at a man approached her she said, he looked like a hippie this was the seventies. Right long dirty hair ragged clothing, a big floppy hat and no shoes. She said she claimed he said to her what you are looking for is over there and pointed behind her she turned to look where he pointed saw nothing turned back and he was gone. So. then. The ranger claims at a month. Later, a male photographer came in with a similar question the question. Sorry. The woman had asked was worthy ghosts out there and he asked this because when he developed his pictures from around the same spot as the woman, a man appeared in the photos that hadn't been there when they were taken, it was this hippie looking ma'am. the writer that I was reading said, he thought this might be the ghost of Texas soldier as they were kind of the most remote and frontier of the the people on the in the army, and they often didn't have shoes because our families were so far away. They couldn't really send them shoes like other Were able to get Schuessel easier, I think this is the story of the helpful ghost. That people will often tell. The doesn't sound helpful at all. Well, he's like Oh what you're looking for is over there. So often you'll hear the story of like there's a ghost by Devil's den. Will. Come and tell you what she want is over there and I think it stems from from this particular story. So your description of this man, he makes me think of Rondon from parks and REC. Member the other Ron Oh. Yeah. It makes me think of him I could see that I'm picturing. Long Hair. Yeah. Yeah. Long Hair. So I don't know. I you know I'm not one to buy into pictures that often as they could have superimposed images especially in the seventies and stuff. So the picture doesn't really do anything for me her accounts of a looking man, it was the seventies. Yes. There were hippies true. May Be. The hippie was there and you know maybe he thought he was done in left and she just couldn't find him I. Don't I don't like I can't picture the area that she's in Devil's Den. So I I have no idea but I really. This to me, this helpful ghost is not not helpful at all as. It didn't find anything when he's like, Hey, look over there. It's basically he saying look there's Elvis. Person Turns around and then he's gone. I think it was a hippie. Okay. Hey, I think it's perfectly logical to believe that there was a hippie in the seventies in Gettysburg Cables Dan. Now, something I didn't put in here because I didn't WANNA to overwhelm us but I will say this is also an area people claim that their technology fails often. Okay so I don't know if that has like it's Kinda, countryish looking have you seen Devil's den Yeah Yeah? It's Kinda countryish looking I it's not like. Like I'm sure cellphone towers don't really hit that area. There's you know I I can totally see that and also to there could be scientific reasons why technology wouldn't work in a particular area versus another area? Yeah. So given that it was the seventies this man look like a hippy. perfectly logical to believe that there could be a hippie in the seventies. If I mean if not logical, it does I. Mean People there were there were hippies in this. All right. So what's your leaves probably? Eating sandwiches or something. My rating is zero. Zero right I'm going to give this one a six. Six because I think you're right, it could be a person. United's on that. But. It is a little weird that like he could have just like, did he run away and she just didn't hear him like it just seems weird. was he a vegetarian too? All right you ready for the last piece of evidence here I have nothing against Vegetarians. Okay. I'm just saying he's in the seventies there they you know there was some vegetarian that's possible. Yeah. Yeah. I'm ready. All right. I've got one last one that's kind of fun. Okay. I like fun. Yeah. So this is from little round top again you mentioned that you're history. Okay. So So this I found this in a couple couple of different sources So there's been a lot of movies made about Gettysburg My favorite is glory I love that movie with Matthew Broderick but there was a movie in nineteen eighty three called Gettysburg So during that the filming, they actually filmed a lot right at the location on the battlefields and they also used a lot of extras that were re-enactors. K.. So Some of the people that were on the film had this weird unexplained encounter. So during the Two, I don't know. during a break in Filming Win Day several of the extras were resting at little round top and admiring the setting sun they were approached by a grizzled old man whom they described as wearing a ragged and scorched union uniform and smelling of sulfur gunpowder. He talked to them about how furious the battle was as he passed around spare rounds of ammunition than went on his way at first, the extras assumed he. was part the production company again reenactor but their minds change when they look closely at the ammunition he gave them they took the rounds to the man in charge of giving out the props for the movie and he said they did not come from him turns at the ammunition from the strange old man were genuine musket rounds from the period. Yeah. I have so many questions about this one where they ghost rounds. How did how did a ghost get these rounds? From the eighteen sixties to give to I I don't understand how this is even possible. I mean, it's just gets ghost man he's walking around and he's just like housing. How does he have these rounds that he can give to somebody? It's a physical manifestation I know no, it's not. It's it's craziness I. I think it's all made up in hype for the movie. I. I believe this not at all. So you giving his era. Oh, if I could go lower than zero, I would with this one this one is just poor is just purely ridiculous. Also, I would like to state that a lot of these things that you're mentioning happened after the nineties. there was a large. Like a there was a long period of time where there were. No go stories about Gettysburg or very little go stories, and then all of a sudden nineteen nineties happened and all these people are ghost hunters and there's just a flood of ghost stories all of a sudden. How do you explain that Well. I mean I. think that's when we became a little more open to this concept. It became not as crazy for people to talk about stuff I. Disagree I believe that a lot of books were written during this time I believe a Lotta Ghost tour started to happen in a lot of people started making a fortune on these ridiculous stories of passing out round to. Other people the Ghost. Bullets. micro-climate. One of five because it is a little like I only found it in a few places I couldn't find any direct accounts from anyone who was actually there that like were telling this story. So it it was it was hard to find a lot with it but I I did see it in a few places and I thought it was fun. Wow. Yeah. So overall, what are you gonNA give Gettysburg Okay Berg haunted I'm to give it a six six overall. Yeah. I'm going to give it a one and the only reason why I'm giving it. A one is because of your first piece of evidence that I cannot speak to these people and I cannot debate the facts that they that they have not that they are real just because we need more detail, we need more information. So I'm going to give it a one pretending that given that information it would totally make me believe more and not and not less. Okay. So. That brings us to our closing arguments. This is our last chance to convince you to vote our way. We are each given one minute of uninterrupted time. We will time each other on our cell phones to keep each other honest and Rebecca are you ready? I am all right. Here we go one minute on the clock and start now. All right. So when you read accounts of grossly sightings Gettysburg. You read a lot of people claiming kind of these classic stories. But even the people that are that, go there that say you know what I didn't experience anything myself or I doubt some of these stories every single one of them says that it is an. Eerie place to be that there is a feeling there there is an energy there and I just do not think that these souls that. Were that were killed in such a violent manner and you know the the air was full of smoke and you couldn't see anything in the and the sounds that there's just no way that that there aren't some some souls that that got trapped there I just I don't think that's possible that there couldn't be some of that there do think that it's all of these are true. No But I I do think that in general Gettysburg. Haunt Oh. Oh, you went over on that I just you know. Okay I can't believe that I needed a dramatic pause. I am ready. Okay. and Go. I will give you that the. Location has a lot of history and a lot of dark history. A lot of people died that day on that battlefield and maybe people died before I found no evidence that there was this big Indian battle or native American battle that you know that you speak of but I will give you that it's dark but not every dark place is haunted just because people die in a particular area does not mean that there it's going to be haunted and just because the numbers doesn't mean that it's going to be haunted, you've presented no evidence me that is substantial enough where I could say this was definitely real therefore I'm GonNa go with. What I always go with at the end is that there is no way that this was real on no way that Gettysburg is haunted. A chance. I'll. Finished early did finish early so sad place but not haunted is what you're saying. Yeah. Maybe if you give me more evidence may be then I could finally. You know find something substantial enough. So I wanNA thank you so much for listening. Please share with your friends and family as word of mouth is our best advertisement, and now that you have listened to the episode, make sure that you head over to go slow podcast dot com slash polls to vote the polls will be up as the episode goes up and they will be up until Friday August fourteenth. And while you're there. Take the Trivia Ya check out the Trivia contest you all of August. So just remember that we do have a trivia contest going on right now until the end of August so you have to the last day of August go to go see podcasts dot com slash trivia to enter for your chance to win any ghostly t shirt of your choice we will announce the winner on our September sixteenth episode. So we are coming up on episode number fifty, zero. This is this is a big point and we really thought that we should you know hit a classic it bring out something that we've been wanting to do or these I've been wanting to do for a why I've wanted to do it from day one I actually suggested this and you said no at that point but now is it is our fiftieth episode. So you can no longer hold it back. No. This has to come out what is the episode going to be about? amityville horror or House or whatever you WanNa College. Amityville man just. The Warren it's got everything the movie before we even do any research or start on this. Are you scared by Amityville. This is the movie. Scared me do think there's a chance that it's real. I read conflicting reports. So I'm I am I'm actually interested to research this one. Okay. Yeah. But you're not gonNA. Count it out. I'M NOT GONNA no I'm not gonNA count it out. No no definitely not it's There's there's been a lot a lot written about this a lot of movies I've yeah. Super interesting stuff. 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Fearless, Feisty and Unflagging: The Women of Gettysburg
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Hey this is our show from recent live appearance in Gettysburg Pennsylvania sort of we did record that show but as we always worn might be the case yes minor technical difficulties the recording yeah we had some technical difficulties we were there as part of an event called great conversations that Gettysburg this was a whole full day of programming that was sponsored by the Gettysburg Foundation. We had a great time but recording an outdoor event is always he's kind of challenge this time we had our a rain delay followed by very breezy weather and <hes> just surprising number of motorcycle interruptions yeah and as we were outdoors all of those things conspire to make kind a slushy sound call so we are going to have a studio version of this show rather than the live recording also. We didn't call it this because folks just walking through Gettysburg wouldn't necessarily know what six impossible episodes means but this is basically a six impossible episodes edition of the show. It's just focused on Gettysburg's ladies Yes yes for this live podcast. We wanted to focus on women and the battle of Gettysburg and there are just so many to choose from some of the people we are going to talk about where local to Gettysburg some were connected to the army's in some way in some arrived after the battle was actually over. We just picked a few favorites. If we don't have your favorite it's not because because that person was not any good just that you know we we had a select feta cheese for this time. Also this is not remotely all the women who were there and we're going to be focused. Mostly on the women's connections to Gettysburg into the battle itself is this is not going to be a full biography of all the women that we are going to talk about but we will jump in and I we will talk about Marie Teppei known as fearless French. Mary who became quite a recognizable character during the civil war she was born. Marie Blues Probably Blessed France and she eventually immigrated to the United States and once she got here she married Bernard Teppei who was a tailor in Philadelphia in June of eighteen sixty one Bernard joined the twenty seven th Pennsylvania Nya infantry and he really wanted to stay behind and mind their tailor shop. She wanted to go with him though so she became vivant gear which is a French term for uniformed women who traveled with the army's to kind of bolster the troops morale a lot of times they they act as merchants and sold things like food and tobacco Americans learned about Devante during the Crimean war and during the civil war there were women in this role on both sides of the fighting Marie bought things like whiskey Food Tobacco Co and various necessities to them sell to the soldiers she carried her whiskey in a small keg and she filled that keg with water when she couldn't get whiskey and sold water instead and she fought when she had to and she also helped care for the wounded she was paid a soldier salary plus and extra twenty five cents a day if she was doing hospital work at some point Marie left the twenty-seventh Pennsylvania Inventory and Bernard Tepi the story as reported by other people was that several soldiers one of them being her husband broke into her tent and stole sixteen hundred dollars from her. It is always tricky to try to convert a currency for that long ago to today's dollars but that was a huge amount of money. It'd be a huge amount of money today if someone stole that from me so at that time that was a fortune well it even if you like her husband had just broken in and stolen a twenty. That's still are cool. Yeah theft is theft but it really was quite a large sum but but she did not stay gone from the picture for long Irish Immigrant Charles H. T. colace had previously served in the eighteen th Pennsylvania Infantry Regiment and after his enlistment was over he decided to start his own volunteer unit and he wanted to style this a unit after the French Light Infantry troops known as the Suave patterning the uniforms after their colorful pants jackets and turbans at first he had a small group known as the swamp death leak or calluses suave they eventually became the one hundred fourteenth Pennsylvania volunteer infantry as had been the case with vivant dear Americans I experienced to this was during the Crimean war and there was waft style units on both sides of the civil war just to be clear although the earliest French Suave troops were from northern Africa eventually these units associated with the French army were made up of Europeans and those wave units in the civil war even though they might have some not to the idea of Africa they were made up of white troops collis wanted his unit to have a air either he recruited Marie or she simply heard about what he was doing and volunteer to join she once again sold provision cooked and cared for the wounded she also delivered water and supplies to the front lines and doing that she actually took a bullet in the ankle at Fredericksburg see was recovered enough to carry water to the troops that chancellor spill and there she was under so much heavy fire that people described her skirts being riddled with bullet holes calls. She was awarded the Cross for Valor on May sixteenth of eighteen sixty three but she refused to wear it. She said she did not WANNA present. By the battle of Gettysburg Marie was a recognizable figure for much of the Union army in the area she had also. I started carrying a red white and blue care. After her first keg was shattered by a bullet she was there during the battle and she came through all of that unharmed although it does not appear that she left when the soldiers left there's actually a picture of her standing on Cemetery Hill in Gettysburg taking some time afterward and it's possible that she stayed behind to help care for the wounded and then she joined back up with her unit leader. After the war she married Corporal Richard Leonard and she was photographed with her keg at a reunion 1893 eventually she and Richard divorced and she died of an apparent suicide in nineteen at one before we move on we should really note that although Murray was in combat at various times and she was paid a soldier salary she was not actually there as a soldier but there were female soldiers at Gettysburg there were women lake. Mary sees goal who disguised herself as a man so that she could fight alongside her husband and there are other people who stories and identities are less clear people who were found to have female anatomy after being injured injured or killed in combat there are at least five documented including sees goal to for the Union side and three for the confederacy although it is possible that there were many more who went unnoticed in undocumented next we'll have somebody who will be familiar to people who've seen the women's Memorial Matt Gettysburg and that's Elizabeth Thorne. She was born in Germany as Elizabeth Catherine Massar and then after emigrating to the United States she married John Peter Thorne who went by Peter They had three sons before the civil war started and then Peter joined the army in August of eighteen sixty two peter was the caretaker of Evergreen cemetery and the family lived the cemetery's arch-shaped Gatehouse which still stands today when Peter joined the Army Elizabeth took over for him as caretaker wow also taking care of their children and win the battle of Gettysburg began. She was also about six months pregnant six months pregnant and taking care of three little boys and acting as the caretaker of the cemetery. When the confederate army started to arrive in Gettysburg at the end of June they requisitioned food from the Thorn household and then when the federal army arrived a few days later Elizabeth helped General Oliver Otis Howard get the lay of land? She's sort of sodium showed them which roads went where and what some of the local back ways where that the confederacy might not know about she also provided dinner for some of the officers although by that point she really did not have much left as thanks though some Otis's men helped her move move some of the families valuables down into the cellar for safekeeping and they also told her that if she were ordered to leave the area she should do so immediately and that cemetery was part of Cemetery Hill which became an active battlefield on July. I second the family was ordered to evacuate. Although Elizabeth came back during the night check on things and she found that the families hogs had been killed and that the gate house was full of wounded soldiers she left again to try to find food and shelter and this time she stayed away until July seventh once the family got back they found that their home had just been ransacked including what they had moved into the cellar. Amputations have been performed on their beds so they're feather beds and bedding almost beyond repair it took her in three women days of washing to fix them and that was after they I repaired the pump and some of what they had was really just beyond repair there were also dead bodies awaiting burial outside along with the bodies of horses that had been killed in the battle but Elizabeth Thorne is most well known for what happened after all of that she had run into the president of the cemetery on her way home and he told her that there was more work waiting for her than she could possibly do in her own account in the days. After the battle she wrote quote. I got a note from the president of the cemetery and he said Mrs Thorn it is made out that we will bury the soldiers in our cemetery for a while so you go for that piece of ground and commenced sticking off lots and graves as fast as you can make them mm-hmm will you may know how I felt my husband in the army my father and aged man yet for all the foul air we to start it in I stuck off the graves and while my father finished one I had another one started they did this and just just terrible heat and filth and stench because this was July and some of these bodies had been decaying for days later on she had some friends who helped but both of them became very ill and had to leave a lot of people noted that the the men who came to help her got too sick to continue on and she was out there pregnant carrying on with it. These burials went on for weeks. She buried thirteen bodies on August eleventh which was more than a month after the battle they were still burying the dead up until Gettysburg. Berg National Cemetery opened in October that was formerly dedicated in November but at that point a lot of bodies had already been buried or reburied there. Some of the bodies buried in Evergreen were ultimately moved to the national cemetery in the end Elizabeth buried one hundred and five people with very little help ninety one of those were soldiers and fourteen were civilians. She wasn't compensated for the additional labor or for the loss of her property or the cost of cleaning and repairing the gatehouse was also a tiny me tiny fraction of the work that needs to be done Gettysburg itself had a population of about twenty one hundred people but about eleven thousand people died as a result of the battle about seven thousand died of their wounds immediately and the rest followed and the days and weeks afterward Elizabeth's daughter Rosemead Thorne was born the September after the battle and her middle name was named after General George Meade who had commanded the army of the Potomac at Gettysburg Peter Thorne returned from the war in eighteen sixty five and he and Elizabeth both died in one thousand nine hundred seven and two thousand to the Gettysburg Women's civil war memorial was unveiled it depicts Elizabeth Thorne clearly exhausted and pregnant with a shovel and although she is the woman who is depicted in this memorial oriole it is a memorial to all the women and now we're going to take a quick break and have a little word from one of the sponsors to keep stuff you missed in history class going geico presents eyewitness interviews with inanimate objects. This is Brian Bruno live on the scene scene of a recent windstorm here to describe the event a chest of drawers. There's a storm howling outside so I thought I'd stay in and watch a ROM COM five minutes into the flick. A Tree Branch slams through the window. Where are you hurt? I just got a scratch on my chest. Your chest of drawers can't help you in a windstorm but the GEICO insurance agency can help you get covered for personal property damage. Call Gyco to see how affordable homeowners insurance can be. So we talked just before the break about how the number of people killed in battle at Gettysburg was more than five times greater than Gettysburg's population of people living there and the gap between the towns population and the number of wounded was even Greater Raider between twenty thousand and thirty thousand people were wounded. Most of them stayed in Gettysburg for at least some time after the battle and our next subject is an example of how long this situation remained really critical the active fighting the battle of Gettysburg took place between July first and third EUPHEMIA. Mary Goldsboro arrived around July twelfth by that point. There was still a lot of work to do. Goldsboro was a nurse and one of many women from both sides of the war who who went to Gettysburg during the battles aftermath to try to care for the injured and dying soldiers Goldsboro who was known as F.. E. was one of many confederate supporters living in Baltimore Maryland she and other women there had been preparing for the fighting to come to them. So when Gettysburg ended in a union victory and tremendous casualty numbers they traveled from Baltimore to assist when they arrived in Gettysburg editions were just really dire nearly all of the doctors and the surgeons had left with their respective armies so the very few who were left behind were so overwhelmed that they could really only focus on the most urgent needs Pennsylvania Hall at Gettysburg College was being used as a hospital for wounded from both sides and that is where Goldsboro borough started working when she arrived here is how an unknown confederate soldier described the conditions there quote unless it was a case of amputation needed immediately or the stopping of hemorrhage. They had not time to attend to anyone thus us for the first two weeks there were no nurses no medicines no kinds of food proper for men in our condition and for men who were reduced to mere skeletons from severe wounds and loss of blood the floor was a hard bed with only a blanket on it. Eventually Goldsboro Goldsboro was assigned to Camp Letterman which was a hospital camp set up near the battlefield Goldsboro was in charge of a word with one hundred patients fifty from each side and the words of that same confederate soldier quote Miss Goldsboro recognized the importance of showing no partiality reality and many of both armies owed their lives to her good nursing commonsense and justice while she gladly forgot party spirit of the time and saw the necessity of sacrificing herself to the good of the southern wounded dying soldiers of the confederate army she remained to their nine weeks working incessantly forgetting the world and self living only to comfort and support the suffering and dying one of the men that she tried to save was Lieutenant Colonel Waller as well patent of Virginia who had been shot through the lungs and his condition had reached a point that needs to be propped up to be able to breathe but there was just nothing there available for him to be propped up on and so- Goldsboro offered herself sitting on the floor and letting them secure him to her back so they were basically back to back and she was kind of forming a chair for him. Although she sat there overnight without moving his condition was to grave and he died on July twenty first although she cared for men without regard to what side they had been on her work was not entirely above board. She knew that the surviving confederate soldiers were going to be transferred to prisons once they were well enough and she thought they should have proper clothes and boots when they went but it was against the rules to give them these things probably because of the risk that they might try to escape if they had them so Russia came up with an excuse to go into town and she came back with clothes and boots secured up underneath her hoop skirt hoping that they wouldn't bank together or fall out when she made her way past the Union guards this worked Goldsboro left Gettysburg after about nine weeks shortly after the death of Texas soldier named Samuel Watson who she seems based on her diary to have really become quite attached to she returned helmet first her family hardly knew her because she was so frail and exhausted but eventually eventually she recovered and she started smuggling again this time to try to get things like male clothes and supplies to imprison confederate men she was also a courier and a spy and she used a lap desk with hidden compartments to smuggle dispatches catches. She was ultimately caught while trying to help a prisoner escape and her quote treasonable plans and letters and traitorous poetry were confiscated. She was sentenced to banishment for the duration of the war by coincidence. She was sent to Virginia on the same vote as Belle Boyd previous hosts of the podcast done an episode on she apparently did not like bellboy. I'm very curious about what the situation was there but I did not look into it. She referred to Boyd as quote that Horrid woman assigned aside from demonstrating how Gettysburg's aftermath stretched on after the battle Goldsboro story also illustrates how a lot of women put aside their political leanings to care for the sick injured and dying Goldsboro. Let's be clear was a staunch supporter under of the confederacy but at the battlefields hospital she gave compassionate care to anyone who needed it. No matter what side of the battle they had fought on outside of the medical community there this definitely was not the case for Olive Gettysburg civilian population a lot of them refuse to harbor or assist confederate sympathizers including refusing to let sympathetic nurses bored with them and Goldsboro and other confederate supporters reviewed with very understandable suspicion within their medical work as well that same unknown one soldier who's account we were reading from earlier reported that the reason her ward was half and half federal and confederate troops was just to make sure she didn't do anything treasonous. The next woman we are going to talk about is Margaret Divet. You'll also see that spelled debit or sometimes even with an as Davits and she was also known as mag poem she was part of Gettysburg's black community. There were people of African descent in Gettysburg for almost as long as there were Europeans some of the first Europeans to settle in the area brought enslaved Africans with them before that point the area had been hunting ground and a travel route for the native peoples in the area but what is now Gettysburg does not appear to have ever been home to a permanent indigenous settlement of course there is a whole history there that is outside of the scope of what we were talking about in this particular podcasts Pennsylvania passed an act for the gradual abolition of slavery in seventeen eighty by the civil war Gettysburg's black community was free and numbered close to two hundred people or not quite ten percent of the population. Elation Gettysburg had a school for Black Children an African Methodist Episcopal Church because of its proximity to the Mason Dixon Line Gettysburg was home to a lot of underground railroad activity about a third of its black residents in eighteen sixty had been liberated or had liberated themselves from Maryland or Virginia but it was also an incredibly dangerous place to be as a black person being so close to slave territory was a constant risk especially in the light of fugitive negative slave laws that encourage the capturing of people and taking them into slave territory regardless of whether they had been previously enslaved or not so Margaret Palm who had been born Margaret divet or maybe Davut had direct experience with these he's dangerous she had been the target of an attempted capture herself her employer's son David Schick described it this way quote on this occasion. She was attacked by a group of men who made the attempts to kidnap her and take her south where they expected to sell her and derive quite a prophet she was a powerful woman and they would have from the sale derived quite a profit. These men's succeeded in tying mags hands. She was fighting them as best she could with her hands tied she would attempt to slow them and succeeded in one instance in catching and attackers thumb in her mouth and bit the thumb off <hes> when we did this as our live show there was definitely some <hes> cheers of support for MAG at this moment rightly so in eighteen sixty three poem was about twenty seven years old and she had at at least one child and she was living with a man named Alf Palm. They were tenants on the land of Abraham Brian a free black man who had lived in the area for about twenty years Although a census taker listed her occupation as mistress harlot it appears that she actually had a job working cleaning and doing laundry it appears that the census taker listed that as her occupation because she and Alfred not married at the time the I have some words for that census taker the confederate army approached Gettysburg many of its black residents fled they knew that if they stayed they were likely to be captured and enslaved that had happened and lots of other towns that the army had moved through as they made their way into union territory but leaving was really also a risk people would be leaving their jobs behind as well they would have to go without income for an unknown amount of time until the danger had passed they would also be leaving behind personal possessions which were really likely to be taken damaged or destroyed so Margaret was one of the people who stayed to act as a lookout and worn the black community when they really could not wait any longer to go and with her warning many of Gettysburg's black residents did successfully evacuate before the battle began some that could not or did not leave sheltered by their white employers or other friends but this did not always totally work out <hes> there is at least one account of two black women who were sheltered in the cellar but then when confederate officers commandeered that home those women were forced to come out and cook and care for them at the same time an unknown number of Gettysburg's black residents were captured by the confederates and marched out of town the House that Margaret and Alpha renting was largely destroyed in the battle well a lot of the fighting at Gettysburg was very urban but she and her family survived her life. After the war was a lot like it had been before she continued to make a living by cleaning doing laundry and working as a porter she another black women also retrieved uniforms from MHM soldiers who had been wounded or killed they cleaned these uniforms repaired them and sent them back to the Union army to Reuse Margaret Palm eventually saved up enough money to buy property of her own and she also became known as an eccentric character around town nicknamed Mag bag palm at this point and they were embellished stories recounting her daring do before and during the battle in her adventures afterward often these were reported in newspapers but in those accounts her speech was rendered as the sort of imagined engined dialect of enslaved people living on plantations in the south just not how she spoke right and it was very similar to our previous episode about the Ain't I a woman speech and how it would just sort of a made up imagined wave of talking we don't entirely know how she felt about becoming this kind of local celebrity but she definitely did not appreciate how other people kind of took her story over for themselves and turned her into a caricature. She took care to tell her friends and her family about what she had done. In her own words she also had a picture of herself taken later on pose to show the way that her assailant said tried to bind her hands decades later her great great granddaughter Catherine Carter Related These families stories to you. Another woman named Margaret Margaret Crichton author of the colors of courage Gettysburg's forgotten history especially talked about her fighting back against those attempted captors almost thirty years after poems 1896 Death Elsie Master published a boy at Gettysburg which used palm as the inspiration for the character Maggie Blue Coat and that fictional character was a conductor on the underground railroad and Warren Officers Jacket from the war of eighteen twelve thus her blue coat nickname mm-hmm it is possible that the real Margaret was involved with the underground railroad and with Gettysburg slave refuge society which was founded by the African Methodist Episcopal Church but in some accounts her real story has been really conflated and confused with at this fictional character. If she was involved with the underground railroad she probably would have been a lot more secretive about it than the fictional character of Maggie blue coat. We should also note that Gettysburg was permanently altered for black community after the battle was over a a lot of the people who fled never returned most of the ones who did come back where people who had property to come back to you a lot of that property had been seriously damaged or destroyed in the fighting in the fall of eighteen sixty three there were only sixty four black residents listed on the city's tax throw which was a much smaller number than before the battle although the abolition of slavery made Gettysburg much less dangerous place to live from that perspective it really became more of a stopping point than a destination as free people moved north after the war four and we're GONNA pause once again for little sponsor break but we take a break and then we will come right back with more of Gettysburg's women he listeners. I am so excited to talk to you about a new podcast called ephemeral because during our stint on the planet humans have made a lot of stuff and some becomes treasured and some of it is junk and some just kind of gets forgotten about but we really need to look at how we value the things that we create and what deserves. Maybe one more look before it vanishes into the past. These are the questions and ideas that underpin this new podcast ephemeral host Alex Williams guides you through a wasteland of things that were just barely saved but in some cases not saved at all it's part history podcast part sound collage but ephemeral features interviews with Historians Collectors Authors and Alex's Dad is even interviewed at one point episodes tend to piece together stories that are lost three time like missing chapter of American music history or a decade's worth of original television that was broadcast podcast only once and a mystery caught on tape that seemed completely unsolvable. We are lucky enough to work with Alex and I just adore him and I'm so excited about his show. Listen to it on apple podcasts the iheartradio APP or wherever you listen to podcasts and learn more four at ephemeral dot show Matilda Pierce known as tilly was an ordinary but pretty well off civilian from Gettysburg. She was fifteen in July eighteen sixty three when the battle happened in eighteen eighty five she published Gettysburg or what a girl saw and heard of the battle which was her first person account. tilley was the youngest of four children and Dan she was at school at the young lady seminary at the Gettysburg Female Institute on June twenty-sixth when they first heard that the confederate army was approaching their teacher told them all to run home as fast as they could although she was sure that some of them couldn't have made did before the troops arrived her book gives a day by day accounting of the battle it first tones pretty excited. She attacks about the insults and indignities of the confederate army taking her horse she also talks about their appearance and behavior which he finds to be pretty raggedy and rude but apart from that she sounds pretty upbeat but when the actual fighting begins things quickly become frightening she describes a neighbor passing by on the way to Jacob Kurz farm south of town down and asking for tilly to come along thinking that she was going to be safer there and at first this seemed like a perfectly good plan but as the battle shifted it turned out to not be true at all the farm was not far from little round top and that was the site of active fighting she describes the House and Barn becoming a Field Hospital for Union soldiers and treating at least one hundred men until his words quote the number of wounded brought to the place was indeed appalling. They relate in different parts of the house. The Orchard Richard and space around the buildings were covered with the shattered and dying and the barn became more and more crowded the scene had become terrible beyond description. This becomes one of those really unique insights into what the mindset of someone is like going through trauma Tracy mentioned just a little bit ago that her accounts before things released started getting heated where almost kind of excited and then in the early part of the fighting tilly was terrified and describes herself as weeping and fear but by the third day she writes quote amputating benches had been emplaced about the house. I must have become inured to seeing the terrors of battle else I could hardly have gazed upon the scenes now presented her account also mentions the death of Mary Virginia Wade known as Jenny. Here's the only civilian known to have been killed old directly in the fighting. There were other civilians who died as a result of the battle as well including at least one who gave birth and wasn't able to get the necessary medical attention. Jenny was at the home of her sister George McClellan who had also given birth it just hours before the battle started the McClellan home was directly in the line of fire between the two armies Jenny was kneading dough to make bread for the Union soldiers and she was struck by a stray bullet and killed on the morning of July third tilly he also writes about the conditions after the battle as she was returning home quote as it was impossible to travel the roads on account of the mud we took to the fields while passing along the stench arising from the fields of carnage was most sickening dead horses horses swollen to almost twice their natural size lay in all directions stains of blood frequently met our gaze and all kinds of army accoutrements covered the ground fences had disappeared some buildings were gone others ruined the whole whole landscape had been changed and I felt as though we were gonNA strange and bladed land are killed and wounded had by this time been nearly all carried from the field with such surroundings. I made my journey homeward. After the battle once the battle was over till really helped care for the wounded including several union soldiers who were cared for in her own family home and our book concludes with her adult self looking back on what had happened when she was a teenager and Gettysburg's recovery decades later her tone is pretty optimistic. Nick quote years have come and gone since the happening of the events narrated in the preceding chapters but there is indelibly stamped upon my memory is when passing before me an actual reality the carnage and desolation the joys and sorrows there in depicted have all long since passed away instead of the clashing tumult of battle the groans of the wounded and dying the mangled corpses the shattered cannon the lifeless charger in the confusion of armies and accrue Germont a new era of joy and prosperity harmony and unity prevails after the the war tilly grew up married had children and lived her life before dying on March Fifteenth Nineteen Fourteen hers is one of a lot of eyewitness accounts of Gettysburg including letters journals and published books but it is also a unique perspective active because it is from a civilian who was a fifteen year old girl at the time of the battle and that brings us to our last women to talk about today. tillie pierce was an ordinary girl whose name we remembered at eight because she published her experiences in a book but so many any other women and girls had very similar experiences in eighteen sixty three but there's were unrecorded and consequently on remembered so you've probably heard the phrase well behaved women seldom make history most of the time people interpret this kind of a rallying cry by celebrating the so-called. Ill behaved women who broke new ground and made strides in a way that changed the world in defiance of how society thought they should act a lot of times. It's kind of make some noise and go make history but that quote didn't come from Eleanor Roosevelt or Marilyn Monroe or any of the other historically famous women that it's generally attributed to it was first published in Nineteen seventy-six Paper in American quarterly by Laurel Thatcher rich at the time she was studying at the University of New Hampshire and. In our intent was very different from the way that people usually use that quote today it was more about all the ordinary women who lived and worked and made a difference in their world but are not included in history books because their lives were quiet and pious. The full all sentenced from that paper is well behaved. Women Seldom make history against Antonio Means and witches these pious matrons have had little chance at all all rich eventually wrote a book exploring how this quote has spread and evolved and what it means for a woman to actually make history so Gettysburg was just full of pious matrons and other dutiful women and girls most of the men who were able to fight were away fighting so the people left behind were mostly women children elders and people with illnesses or disabilities so ordinary women who lived in Gettysburg were the ones cooking for soldiers and tending the wounded and otherwise being part of the battle but not necessarily with the excitement or flare or personality that would make them memorable to history those who couldn't or didn't I believe ahead of the fighting found themselves in the middle of an active battlefield and this was of course terrifying with many women's journals and letters describing hearing soldiers in their houses above them while they hit in their cellars and not knowing if those soldiers were friends or enemies as they went through all kinds of hardships going without food after the army's requisition everything they had or having their homes used a sniper posts which drew enemy fire they also endured the battles horrifying aftermath with the unburied bodies of people and animals creating a stench so strong that they had to go around with handkerchiefs that were soaked in peppermint or penny royal holding those over their noses and mouths this lasted for months pretty much until the weather got cold in the late fall and winter they turned earned homes and barns and outbuildings into temporary hospitals and helped care for the wounded they cleaned and repaired and dug graves in sweltering heat and torrential rainstorms and often without enough food or clean beds to sleep in the railroads woods and telegraphs were destroyed so they did all of this without really being able to communicate with the rest of the world and they also gave shelter to people who traveled to Gettysburg looking for friends and family members who then became part of the recovery effort as well and we also cannot do not forget the women who had made Gettysburg their home but then had to make the choice between leaving it behind or risking being enslaved so we named this episode fearless Feisty and unflagging the women of Gettysburg but a whole lot of women who were part of the battle of Gettysburg history weren't necessarily any of those things there were so many ordinary women who were scared and exhausted or we're just doing their best and an unimaginably horrifying situation but their lives and their contributions still I'll have value and they should not be forgotten before we move onto some listener mail. Since this was a live show we just want to thank all the people involved with it so thanks so much to the Gettysburg Foundation and especially events coordinator Bethany any yuengling for all of their help leading up to and during the show and for inviting us in the first place thanks also to Chris Gwynn from the Gettysburg National Military Park for leading us on a tour of the battlefield while we were there that was great and thank thank you so much to everyone who came out and bore with us through the weather. We were getting ready. We were doing our final. Go over of all of our notes having some water getting ready to go out there and holly. He walked into the kitchen. They had they had put us up in a cottage right there. At the at the venue holly walked into the kitchen and Kinda went. WHOA whoa what I'll listen? It's dark outside and it turned out. There was a severe ear thunderstorm warning including the potential for a half dollar sized hail so thanks to everybody who didn't just immediately go home and stay away. Yeah I peeked out the window. I could see people running from the tent. They <hes> they just postponed innings. They handled the whole thing. So beautifully of just kind of <hes> had a delay forbid. We started about twenty minutes late. After things had passed over. Thankfully it was quick <hes> but yeah everyone stuck it out and I was so so so thankful for all of the listeners that came out said hello <hes> that was a really spectacular of him. I had a fantastic time be to a now. I have listener mail. This is from Ursula Ursula says hi Holly and Tracy I listened to your Winnipeg strike episode and loved it. I am from Winnipeg and I never knew just how big the strike was until this year when the city started installing historic exhibits throughout downtown the Manitoba Museum has an early nineteen hundreds recreated town inside the museum. It's a fairly large gallery complete with homes businesses and even a movie theater that you can enter some buildings or even two stories that was my favorite part of the museum as a child and at twenty two it's still is the museum recently gave a massive nine thousand nine hundred nineteen strike update to the town though I must say that my experience with the exhibit was made so much better by a small group of relatives of strikers who were also there that day they were passing on the personal experiences of their relatives walking through was really walking through a giant memory lane. It wasn't an event put on the museum. I just lucked out that day. It was a really special sweet. 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Constitutional expert Jeff Utsch talks about the Constitutionality of a contested election that may be on the horizon in 2020.
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This could be said to be the case for many president elections but the choices before us in this election they're they're different and it doesn't come down to just personalities Abidin, or trump there's a lot more at play and this country hasn't been this divided since the civil war in the center ring of the Conservative Circus we have our sick constitutional expert, Jeff. And Jeff. I. Wanted to ask you about your latest piece because we talk about this during our constitution conversations, which can be heard of you download the free iheartradio APP and get that podcast. But. You are doubling and tripling down on this idea of that we need to go into this election with open is because of what is at play? Absolutely James T you know it's monsoon season, and although every time the sky's get cloudy and start to form every time that happens it doesn't rain and thunder, but it certainly is a tell tale sign that it could come and I think we need to be reading the tea leaves James T that you know record levels of voting by mail this year, the the pandemic, the potential abuses of fraud with universal mail in voting across the country especially in states that aren't used to it the ballots, the post office issues the riding in the streets that have taken place breakdown of law and order the de-fund the police mantra. Trump all this false narratives going about is setting the stage in the kindling is ready to go, and so we would be foolish not to prepare for. You know what you know in my opinion is probably going to happen on election night or the days quickly thereafter. Jeff this week in the president began his press conference by wishing the press well, and saying that he hoped they had a good convention. The implication was that it was their convention. That's what we're up against. Isn't it? The vast majority of the media is pushing this country in a direction at one has to ask how can we beat it? You say we should be prepared for a contested election. What do we need to do to be ready for that? I absolutely look I. Think we need to be prepared because the stage is set James T and we know even from two thousand sixteen that it was pretty close in three to five states, and if you do a lot of mail in ballots that are gonNA take days or even weeks to be sent in, you're going to be there's going to be mayhem and neither side is gonNA capitulate. The rhetoric is going to ramp up and I am worried about. In the street, especially because the writers have gotten away with so much so far without a lot of pushback that they kind of tested the water so to speak and I. Think that they can get away with more. So we just need be prepared. How are we gonNA react if it is a contested election I mean obviously, the best case scenario would be an outright win by trump where there is no you know contesting of that and second best quite frankly might be an outright win with. Biden. Because that's probably the most piece resolve but don't get me wrong I don't want that but I really think it contested elections probably most likely and so we have to be ready be be should be ready as if a hurricane or storm is coming be prepared in think about what we're going to do where we're GONNA go and how we're going. To react not in panic stage but don't be shocked by it stand firm and know how you'll play this out. Jeff is is an instructor at the leadership and Freedom Center. In Gettysburg Pennsylvania, he's also my party into constitutional conversation which you can listen to just download the free iheartradio APP to hear that podcast Jeff I was just talking to someone before we started our conversation and he was saying, you can guarantee it that president trump is going to lose in the popular vote. He was saying there's no way he would win the popular vote. It would even predictably worse than last go around and I don't necessarily doubt that abut the our our elections are decided on the electoral vote. And the president ends up winning that to your point. There still could be chaos because we are so misinformed as a nation of the difference between the electoral vote and the popular vote and and it seems to me that the Democrats continue to to miss informed complaint that. Absolutely well, look the results of two thousand sixteen never really been accepted by the other side they've done everything they can to tear this president down. His legitimacy down and have used hey, he lost the popular vote. If it happens again, this year and I, agree it may happen if it does it'll be another reason for them to try to contest the vote and so all the fingers are pointing trump saying from the other side saying, Hey, you know he wants to either postpone the election saying there could be fraud and he's not going to abide by the results I think it is more likely that the left will not abide by these results. James. But the worst case is for us to capitulate for peace we need to stand up and fight for what is right and obviously if trump legitimately loses james t we have to prepare for that if that happens as well. So it's just a good idea to be prepared in her mind not trying to so any type of panic or craziness James T, but it's always wise if we see the the storms gathering to take shelter and figure out how we're going to to whether this. Most cash offer companies pay cash for homes have stopped providing cash offers. 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The Great Reunion (1913)
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It's a multi day event taking place on the battlefield itself full speeches and reunions and camping and plenty of revisionist history, a lot of it centered around the so called lost cause mythology that the south had fought justly and heroically so here to discuss the great reunion of nineteen thirteen, and how history gets reworked in real time is always nickel hammer of Columbia hello. Nikki. Hello Jody and And back for episode. Two of three episode run is Jane Kosten Vox and the weeds and lots more. Hello Jane! Hello, thanks so much for having me so this great reunion nineteen thirteen everyone gathered back at Gettysburg Nicky, what was the goal here was it get together and swap stories, or was there kind of the larger historical reckoning going on I mean, there was a huge historical. Recommend going on here. You had a nation that had been riven by civil war, and now you're coming back to the battlefield years later and having. Certain people who were engaged in that fight coming back you have United States, soldiers meeting with confederate soldiers in a kind of. Healing ceremony of a sort and we'll get into the complicated nature of that healing, but it was about this moment of overcoming the divisions of the civil war. That was a big a big goal. Yeah, and it's interesting because what you see in this moment is how effective lost cause mythology in some ways became because you can see that this is a moment in which what the was fought over is not discussed. The fact that the war was fought, but that people can still come together even if one person gets in a fight. Fight because he uses a vial Epithet for Abraham Lincoln you you have this idea that no matter what the about which we won't discuss, and no African Americans will speak at this event where over it now and everyone is friends again and I think that that symbolism was so important, almost more important than the event taking place. Yeah, I mean this idea that the healing was going to be about making this moment about we all thought honorably. We all thought with Valor, no matter what side you were on, you were an honorable soldier and. And that is of a piece with the lost cause mythology that had been not only through the south, but across the rest of the country among white Americans and was being memorialized I mean this is the moment at which a lot of those confederate statues that are coming down now we're going up in sort of a testament or celebration of that very idea that we were all our soldiers. Fighting as Americans Kinda makes me think of something we talked about last episode. which is you know there's all these different ways? People conceive of racism. Racism as a personal fault or something more systemic and here it's like well. What is healing? Right is healing. Go shake hands with the person used. Sit across from during a worse healing, reckoning with something more systemic and something deeper. Do you think there was any scenario? In which the country one thousand nine hundred thirteen was in a position to do an actual sort of deeper, systemic healing and reckoning. Absolutely not I think that especially I'm struck by the presence of Woodrow Wilson. Perhaps our more racist Presidents Wilder Wilson's reunion address he talks about. Our battles long past the coral forgotten except that we shall not forget the splendid valor, which is certainly his perspective, because it's a someone who hosted a screening of birth of a nation in the White House and helped re segregate the federal workforce. There are very much percents like whatever this war was actually over which was the subject of slavery. We don't talk about it. We just remember the valor, and we work as hard as possible to push African Americans in the African, American experience of the civil war out of not just this conversation, but out of public life together. Together right and this reunion is happening. Remember after the very successful political project of Jim Crow Right? This isn't happening. In the eighteen seventy s during this period of reconstruction, when African American rights are being protected, and when there are African, American legislators, this is happening in nineteen thirteen after African Americans have been denied the right to vote have banned Rian scribe as second-class citizens, both economically and politically, and you almost need like that's predicated on which this healing is built some other tidbits I. Think reflect what you're getting out. Wilson spoke not that many veterans were invited to speak. Speak, but none of those who were were African American, and then you know none. No nurses or civilians even were given a chance to tell their story there. You know I think it shows just a very narrow conception of what this war was. which was you know some white folks from the North White folks from the south gathered in the field and sort of scuffled with each other and here we are kind of playing Nice I. Don't know one other thing I'll just throw it out there It was an incredibly hot at this time and you know at some. Some basic logistical level, the idea of getting a bunch of people in their seventies to go back out into a field and spend like three four days and incredible heat, living back in tents and sort of recreating the misery of the time doesn't strike me as the best idea right. This sounds to me tremendously unpleasant. The first couple of days the temperatures are around one hundred degrees, and the number of people who actually apparently had heat exhaustion, according to the US Army's chief surgeon was just about three hundred and twenty people, which to me is actually quite low. Considering the mean age of the Veterans Present is seventy two years old, and this is being seventy, two and nineteen thirteen, which is not a tip top time to be an elderly person in an area where sanitation may not be that great, especially because you're on a camping environment. They've got one hundred fifty six thousand pounds of meat. They've got canned fish. They've got thousands of dozens of eggs and I just kept thinking. It's so warm. Warm and it just must have been I understand the point, but just the smell to me. It would have been displeasing Vicki. Is there a sub discipline of history that is just focused on smell? Because I feel like you could just do that at every era. History. History. Passions. I will always talk about the great stink of the Thames and the. Nineteenth Century which was a smell, apparently was the way that historians have put it, so it makes it sound like it was a smell that caused cholera, which is not how cholera works. The two things were interlinked at it. Was You know there is a i? Stand up for the olfactory history. John I think that it's important. Look? There is kind of a history of the senses, but I think it is important to bring back that kind of tactile experience of how unpleasant this must have been, and then you layer onto the fact that for some of these guys. reliving probably the most traumatic moment of their life like just seems so incredibly unpleasant on so many different levels, but it was doing what for the white people gathered was really important political work as we start to wrap up. We're having a conversation right now. About the way we remember the confederacy, and this was the time in which a lot of those memories were reconsecrated is the conversation we're having now about. The civil war and the aftermath of civil war, or is it actually about this era and the way we remembered the civil war fifty years later. I think the conversation we're having now is more about memory and more about how that memory has been posited, and very successfully reshaped I'm fascinated by the criminal justice system I read a lot about criminal justice reform, and what are the challenges that is inherent to our criminal system is the importance of witness testimony despite the fact that witnesses. What you think you saw when something happened can be reshaped and reshaped in reshaped, and you not even know it's happening and I think about that a lot with historical moments like the civil war where it becomes an overarching story about something based on who is telling the story, or who is permitted to tell the story, and only now only relatively recently restarted to retell the story in a way that. That includes more of the people involved in a way. That gets away from Woodrow Wilson's interpretation of events that you know who knows what we were fighting over, but we all fought with valor and returns to the actual subject hands. Yeah, and if we think about this reunion in nineteen thirteen, it was about exactly pat. It was about memory, and how we remember this war in this whole period was about. Coming up with an interpretation of this war and a set of memories about this war that have shaped many Americans view of what the civil war was about and what it meant, and how we should memorialize it and as I, have said I think when we've talked about the civil war before you know as a reminder that this is not long gone memory I mean there were obviously reunions and anniversaries and marches regarding the. The civil war with civil civil war veterans well into the Twenties and Thirties I. Think I've mentioned on the show before that. My Grandmother has memories of seeing civil war veterans marching in Philadelphia and so this is just not that it's not that long ago at all right. Yeah, we're. We're still I think it may have just been last month. At the last person receiving a civil war pension passed away. I think that. Especially because generational trauma does not require people from the generation that endured that trauma to still be around, especially, because what the story they told about those events the story, your survivors of Andersonville would've told their descendants or the people who survived the battle of Gettysburg or were present at those early battles when the story the union told itself was. That will get this done, and while we get this done, people can come in watch and you know it's because it's a quick trip from DC I think that that. The, generational memory will continue to far out less the word sell. All right, we will leave it there. ching-kuo Nevada as always. Thank you traveling me and you'll be back for one more episode after this and Nicole Hammer. Thanks. Thanks Judy This Day in Esoteric. Political history is a proud member of radio. Topi, from Pr X. You can find out lots more including how to suggest a topic at this day pod, dot com. I will also say on our website. 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Jeff Utsch on the AZ Senate getting back to work to help protect small business.
"You are listening. To the conservative circus, I am your ringmaster James t Harris. Got Word that the the Senate is meeting today. The question is are they going to take up a the legislators bill that was passed last week. Are they going to go even further to try to to push back against the the decrees that still in place by our Lord Ducie, or are they just going to just shut this whole thing up last week there was. Was The van tastic article of what the legislature should be doing, and it was by our sin Say Jeff, Jeffords instructor at the leadership and Freedom Center in Gettysburg Pennsylvania. He is also my co host on the constitutional conversations and Jeff. That article was very well received in its history. Lesson I want to start out with this We heard the governor and other officials. Say last week that the that the. Governor's. Of the governorship the legislature they're all coal equal branches of government in Arizona. Is that correct? Well I think. The governor needs a lesson in civics and I think the legislature should be stepping up and teaching them that lesson James. Because obviously we've had a legislature that mostly just been floating down the river, leading the current. Take them wherever it may in allowing the governor to do pretty much whatever he deems appropriate without getting involved in what a catastrophe that is I mean. We're seeing right now. Precedent set and people are trying to make an argument over this happened before we did this. Way Back in in a pandemic of nineteen eighteen and again we had other issues and problems while we really have not. There had their new precedents here James T that are increasing the size scope and power of our state government. And if the legislature or the people do not kick back, it is setting bad precedent for the future and what I ask is you know if we were taken off guard, or if I say we? The legislature was taken off guard by this pandemic, and they don't do something about it now. What happens if there is a re flare up in? The governor hasn't been reined in or the hard questions asked about what the role of the legislature should be. What if it comes again in the fall or we okay with this arbitrary ruling from above, and it will be squarely the legislature, problem and fall as as the people for not demanding them to do their jobs there has been. A I. Think a revelation when we look at what's happening out in Washington DC. It's we complain about it all the time. We're wondering how come this party doesn't push back against his leadership. What we've come to understand that really I mean the the loyalties it that are built up the effort to protect the status quo. That's a very real thing because we ask. Are we ask? Ask Our legislative well. Where are you wait a minute? What about the small businesses? How come nobody's addressing this? How come nobody is pushing back and we've pushed back hard against us and witness shown us is really this is people who are just conducting business as usual. There doesn't seem to be any principles when it comes to what their job is supposed to be a constitutionally in the state. Well absolutely well. First of all you know is Washington said. It's a shame that we have to feel before we see, and there were certain people amongst us that are feeling this shutdown. Are Coming under the crunch. You know the small business owners. The workers now. Some of them aren't feeling yet because they're getting unemployment or a paycheck, but I had the opportunity to you over the weekend to talk to a business owner that owns a you know. One of the largest hotel rates in the nation, and they've had to fire eighty percent of their workforce, and he says because this is probably coming back slow. They're fine for the next four months, but there's no way there could be higher those people back, and so when the weeping wailing and gnashing of teeth happens, people are going to realize that we've been led to the slaughter pen. As far as our economy goes, and that we really don't understand what the consequences of. Of this are going to be in the future, and that's why none of are smart enough to really figure this out, and that's why we have to go back to being principal based decision, making constitutional based decision making and when we see holes in the fence gaps in the fence of how the be directed by our laws, we need to get in there and start to fill them, and that's the legislature right now as such a great opportunity to step up and do the right thing in instead they're kind of fiddling. While eight is really burning and I. Don't think they understand to the extent that we're all. Hopefully we'll come back quick change St, but I'm fearful. Jeff, which is an instructor at the leadership and Freedom Center, Gettysburg Pennsylvania he's also my co host on the constitutional conversations which you can listen to. If you download the free iheartradio, APP a lot of There's a lot of happy talk about the economy coming back nationally I I'm Kinda with you. I WANNA be positive but I. we've done so much damage. To ourselves that I don't think. Calculator yet, but the same thing jeff can be said about the state, and that's exactly why the legislature should have been involved in this. We don't know the future but even act like we. We don't even know this the virus or the impact. We been wrong about all of that, but the damage I think that was done. Most of all recite the the the loss. Of Our of our elder population, and the ones that died is the constitution and the state in state of Arizona. We lost a lot of liberty freedoms over the last eight weeks. We have and we know that in this culture of crisis this culture of fear. This culture that the politicians can't be wrong and they double down and and Kathy continue to to kind of feed the beast. We know in this situation. It's very difficult. James T for them to change, and so we need to help them change. Why isn't the legislature and and to be able to change? We need certainty. We can't have a governor ruling arbitrarily. Arbitrarily of what is essential or not, so some of the questions, the legislature needs to be asking, and this will directly help the future of our state by economically by having certainty within the the you know the small businesses you know she should be discussing. Should the governor be able to continue to declare a state of emergency without the consent of the legislature? You know. Can't we better define what the governor considers an emergency? What power specifically do we want? The governor to have during the state of emergency as you brought up the legislative branch in a Republican form of government changed supposed to be the most powerful. They are definitely laying down their doing kind of just ancillary type of work. That's not gonNA make a big difference, and they need to get into the meat and potatoes of this, so we have clarity moving forward especially if it happens again.
The Haunting of a famous place
"Welcome to hidden history. Host Kid crumb today. The haunting of a very famous place for over one hundred Hundred Years Gettysburg Pennsylvania has been flooded by reports of paranormal activity from Phantom cries. Wounded soldiers to lifelike apparitions. Many visitors visitors to Gettysburg have been touched by his haunting past. Gettysburg was assigned were confederate. Union armies clashed on July first eighteen. Sixty three the battle was a three day bloodbath. That would change American history forever. When the cannons smoke cleared the Union soldiers had one but nearly five thousand thousand horses and fifty thousand men. Lay Dead or dying. Many of the confederate soldiers never received a proper burial now more than fourteen in decades later these unsettled spirits may still linger in Gettysburg. This historic town is home to a surprising number of Phantom forms captured in photography including the ghost of what appears to be confederate General Robert e Lee that Daniel Lady farm was used as the confederate army field hospital. Soldiers who suffered from artillery wounds lot of chest wounds lost limbs were brought to the farm to recover or to suffer for through the final moments of their lives. The Farmhouse Barn saw their share of ghastly horror the ghosts of General Isaac. You'll in his core of ten. Ten thousand still reportedly hot the farm cash town in just eight miles west of the tiny town. Cash town in was the site where the I soldier was killed during the Gettysburg campaign to the civil war. The current owners believe they have proof of their ghostly. Visitors Jack Palladino and his wife have pictures from eight nineteen eighty seven through two thousand seven of strange orbs and skeleton showing up in their photos. According to Mr Palladino he and his guests have heard their share of thumping doors. They've also witnessed lights. Turn on and off on their own doors locking and unlocking locking themselves. How about the Gettysburg Hotel. The history of the Gettysburg hotel is filled with tales of eerie haunting. 'S A ghost of a woman has been seen Dancing Hansen. The hotel's ballroom. Paranormal investigators believe the spirit of union soldier. James Culbertson of company K Pennsylvania Reserve still roams around the hotel. How about blood dairy in while Bala dairy in offers spectacular views of the countryside. It sometimes gives visitors terrifying glimpse of life after death located on the hospital. Road end served as a union field hospital during day. Two of the battle of Gettysburg. Susan lockney owner has collected dozens of stories photos of our guests. ghostly encounters according to a psychic the in appears to be haunted by confederate soldiers buried underneath a nearby tennis court. Gettysburg Ghost train could also take a ninety. The minute ride that only the ghost tour. Gettysburg takes visitors across the actual battlefield. One of the tour storyteller says he impasse. Intrusive loser smelled cigar. Smoke sees souls of soldiers roaming on the train or near the tracks while traveling across the stork battlefield. Well there's your five Ghastly haunting of famous place Gettysburg produced here at night all sound studio brought to you by the Rogue Valley Metaphysical Library and owl L.. Creek Cabin and getaway at AL CREEK CABIN DOT com. Check it out and you can listen to kiss myths and mysteries every Monday Wednesday Friday. I'm your host get chrome. Thanks for listening and have a merry Christmas.
Interview with Wayne Motts, CEO of the National Civil War Museum
"Welcome to the tales of American history. The witnessing him found -ation podcast. Educating Americans to you understand the history of their country and of other countries so that they will appreciate the value of America's unique free institutions. Take a journey back through time with Ken masterson Brown and his guests and let their storytelling transport you to the most compelling pulling moments in American history become an American hero who participates in our mission by joining us at witnessing history dot org org download our documentaries and free teacher education materials that conform to grade level education standards at PBS learning learning dot. Org follow witnessing history on facebook twitter and linked in. I'd like to welcome Wayne. MOTT's what's from place. We're both very familiar with Gettysburg Pennsylvania to our podcast. Here Wayne Welcome. Well thank you. Can't it's real honor to be here with you Wayne Besides being a thirty year veteran licensed guide on the Gettysburg Org. Battlefield is the chief executive officer of the National Civil War Museum in Harrisburg Pennsylvania. And and Wayne tell our viewers a little bit about that. Museum One what if you if you walked into to it from the front door. What kind of things would you see? What kind of things does it house and let them know about about it well? Thanks can't very much watch so the National Civil War Museum headquartered in the state capital Pennsylvania in Harrisburg. It's thirty nine miles north of the Gettysburg. Battlefield it is a tremendous facility. Thirty sixty five thousand square feet of space. It's one of the largest museums in the country for this John. Laura and the museum the houses I think one of the finest collections of civil war artifacts anywhere in the world so it has about four thousand three dimensional objects in about twenty one thousand thousand archival objects items including paper photographs and we do the war from the beginning to the end. Start to finish others about thirty thousand square feet of educational space inside the museum. So when you walk in the door you see. A house. Divided the causes of the American American civil war. You go right in to the slavery issue you go into the first shot into the training. The army's into all the campaigns and then it has has some unusual things which I'm really proud of and I think those Don't get a lot of attention anywhere else. So the these would be the medical aspects of the civil war women. The civil war prisoners immigrants African American troops music. We've got a whole display on music or so. When you come visit this museum you get the entire civil war in a nutshell in really gives you the great context when you go visit Gettysburg the wilderness or any of these other places the context is is it? Nut need let me ask you. Are there any Special areas of that museum to you like the most. Yeah well it's it's So first of all. I'm a person that all my life have been interested in civil war. My family started military museum. I can I tell everyone when I took things to show and tell the Homeland Security would jail you today good jail I think. Luckily the principal senators Wayne. Forget about it. That's so all my life. I've been interested in artifacts and objects. My father had a set of. Diaries a belong to a civil war soldier killed four wagner ignorant and to me when I was a child. They're still in my family's possession. They've been in their possession for over sixty years so for me. I was Willie Wonka. He ended the keys to the chocolate factory. That's the best way I can describe it so every area the museum I enjoy and I like I especially like a The Arms Arman weapons and dress of the civil war soldiers. Because I think people often don't understand. What does the uniform look like? What do they disorders exterior? I like that. I like Lincoln Gallery of Special Gallery related to Abraham Lincoln in one of the things most proud of is when you come into that museum and the Museum Zim was constructed in two thousand opened up in two thousand eight hundred eighty. It's been around for eighteen years. You are addressed right up front with the causes of the civil war. Four and the slavery issue and I think that the national or museum may have been one of the first museums to put that right at the four stories of known for a century entry. In half you put it in the forefront to the education of the civil war. Yeah I'm pretty proud of of the scholars of course in people adviser I just on that content. Sure but I'm proud of how that's presented in the variety of its percent in the depth of it the comprehensiveness. Oh Wow wow well let me ask you. Are there special relics. You like yeah. I have many favourite. Tell us about a few so one of my favorites which I just did a little facebook video on ourselves for the museum. We have a diary in the museum that was carried by a soldier in the Twelfth Mississippi Regiment killed at the mule shoe so this die where he belonged to a fossil venue possibly mule shoe and he was killed killed may twelfth. I believe and diary was taken by a Union soldier so it's written in by confederates federate solter and in the second part of it he started a diary may nineteenth this union soldier dead and he was captured and ended up in the Andersonville and he survived his captivity. Giving but this is written by soldiers of both sides is a civil war and survived and tells the story about it us. That's one of my favorite piece is a one year diary. It is not even quite a year. It's a one diary and it starts in eighteen sixty four. Her has an accounting in the front of it is and I know you and your career seeing many of these diaries. You suppose a soldier who owes money or what precisely and and so that in the beginning pinpoint of its in pencil in so we've tried to track down some of that but that has to be i. I liked the things that are what I would say are the more common so we have. US grants spoon. For example. We have a Bible carry by Robert e Lee at the Chimera similar to swords owned by Jeb Stuart in the war but the things I like are the common sings a My friend Gary Edelman who works the American battlefield trump. He came out to visit me and he was most impressed. We have a shovel with the leather. SCABBARD shovel goes in and he said Wayne. I've seen thousands of photographs in those but I've never seen one in the flat and but it so in the museum collection we have an archival document which I have never never seen. I've only read about it a slave policy for Matt and a life and ring for a slave in South Carolina. Only read these things. I've never saw never seen one in I do. I came to the museum to letters from prisoners where postage was paid by both sides union and confederate stamps. which had to do in the civil war had only he ever read about it? I've never seen it. I've never seen anything all the things that are housed in a museum in some cases You you read about them but you don't actually see the yeah. I used to collect diaries Because one I like to use them in my writing sure particularly diaries that you know have never been used before in a publication. Remember one That I had I picked up years ago and I think I got it at Gettysburg at one of those great shows. You know in the summertime talk and it was a diary that was carried by a soldier in the one hundred twenty eight th Pennsylvania infantry at Antietam and he he fills it in all the way up until the morning of September seventeen and from there on an. It's an ink from there on. It's in pencil filled in by Georgian. Who took it out of his the Pennsylvanians pockets? He was killed and seeing the same story. Same Story Yeah and That was just a gem to me for so long and I used it it in some publications. But I used to love to do that. You'd find these and I had one from the sixty second. Pennsylvania remember and this is a he was a captain. His name was guard Gardner and I've been using it in my book because it's some of the most graphic descriptions of the fighting in the wheatfield. You could imagine so some of these just amazing just amazing We'll Continue besides the diaries. You have any other ephemera alike letters soldier letters. Many of those things in the archives in our job right now to try to get cataloged and get them transcribed using volunteer labour. Most people that come to the national civil war museum in Harrisburg today most of them come to see the museum. Ninety nine nine percent. Sure you can call and say hey do you have this specific thing. I'm working on that but we're hoping to get some finding AIDS and get. There's some of these things so you know if your scholar to come research into suborn museums right. We have a phenomenal archival collection. Manuscript Archives Diaries letters and correspondence from civil war anniversary universally untouched. They've not been used by anyone not because we don't want it to be used but we want to get them in in a catalog in such a way that people know they're they're they know they're finding aid. Yeah that's That's there so we have a lot of that material kid and almost all of it is unpublished. Almost all of its narrow. That's incredible arrest stuff. I Love I love that stuff. Tell me about uniforms. You have any What kind of beautiful? I know you have. What kind of uniforms do you have on display? Well we have From coach to Sacco's basic uniforms and the civil war we have some which are unidentified who wore them during the more. But we also have some famous coats and we have one that belong to Western theater. General George Meinie. He's buried in Nashville Tennessee. Sherman sure we have general maintenance code and we have another coat that belonged to General George Shearer screen. It's probably Armas frockcoat that we had really in the collection and it's wonderful shape wonderful shape code ridder general and wow wow uniform wives. That's that's really nice. We just recently got donations from uniform pieces. For one hundred fourteen Pennsylvania which was a masseuse outfit unit Zehr for Charles. Hd College options go. And when I'm trying to do or what we've been trying to do is we have all these things but unless we get 'em on display. We don't have a lot of time to do research there's infinite amounts what's of research job security. Let's go to the archives service records in pensions. Because there's a lot of personal stories we can get if we're able to get the research said that it's like the National Archives you've got thousands of these things and you have you know time is required. A Course to get the Internet has made it easier easier with newspaper articles and getting service records and things of that nature uniform of George Green. Is it a brigadier generals. It is it's brigadier generals coat it. I think it's the same one we believe. It's the one that he wore. These actions like Gettysburg We have a photograph of that taken from the National Archives. And I believe is the code. We have it. Has the velveteen cost shirts. Actually two we sure that we have breath. Of course his his actions at Gettysburg are nothing short of heroic Meade had to strip everything away from the Baltimore. Pike the Line of Supply and communication to the army and George in his one lone brigade. We're left and the guy spread them all out to try to occupy occupy the same ground the whole dag on corded and then got hit by four different confederate brigades and called in reinforcements silence from elsewhere. One by one these regiments come in. But he held him back. Just a remarkable remarkable thing. Well tell me what about confederate hedrick. Uniform pieces well General Maini's okay. Jones has well known that we have we have some some items of belong to General Pickett including sleeve that he was wearing a gaines mill when he was wounded We have a staff officers coat dotted disease. He's buried Hollywood cemetery and Richmond. So we've got a couple of couple of uniform. Confederate pieces are rare. As you know dinner dinner dinner there but we also have some interesting You know just regular uniform pieces and you often don't get to see the different shades. Agent colors of the uniform different types of fabric that remains especially for the confederates different shades and colors in both armies were there also and I'm the the chief executive officer I think in sometimes I'd rather be the curator but sometimes I have to go down and ask Brett Kelly or curator some of these questions because he certainly knows the collection at much better than I do. I've been there seven years and which meant everyday looking at that if I if I if I could. He's been curator religious before for the museum opens knows every piece really had and we work on high. But it just is fascinating when you I've seen the the the the the Film clip of you. And I think Gerry Edelman with Alonzo. Cushing's tell us about that so we have a bill in the national civil war museum Model Eighteen fifty one buckle and regular Brown bill With the name age. H cushing Alonzo cushing's belt and there's a photograph taken after the battle of not them in September of eighteen sixty two which you're aware of and if you download Dafur Library Very Congress in detail you can clearly see. He's got this eagle buckle. He's got a regular bill and I think it very well could be the ORG. Is that the one taken in the Eastwood's with the artillery officers. That's correct and you would know much more about this than I do. But there's one man on the porch which is a different one and I'm sure he's wearing a seat belt there when you look at that it looks a little different Center Staff Right Right which staff staff. There's one taken out in the field the one you're describing and if you enlarge that photograph you've got basically our belt about which is really neat and he's got his name inscribed on it and we actually Put that on loan to the National Park Service a year or two ago when they had a display display of Alonzo cushing's Medal of honor which President Obama awarded in two thousand fourteen. And ask us whether we would the parking they if we would loan the bill they he put it next to. The metal spider standing metal is going to be donated to get us for National Military Park. If they haven't already done so Jessica Lauren who is the one who received the medal okay. is a good friend and she told me that it When it was awarded there were members of the family? You can imagine this that began to kind of scrap over who would get it. Yeah and She said you know. Can't I thought about it once twice and I said Hell. It belongs at Gettysburg so she just game that's nice and was need. Is that That metal is Six months of the year is also displayed at West Point. Okay which is where he's buried a graduate class at June Sixteenth Mon- and I had a dear friend General Richard Treasury. He's a lieutenant general retired. He's now gone. I think but General Treasury was very interested in seeing Alonzo get awarded did that metal and he was on the war decorations board. Oh Wow okay. And he kept telling me he says can't and that metal is is finally awarded. It really should go to west point. And he says and they could put it over the entrance to the inner entrance to the library every cadet sees that and he almost got his wish Jessica gave it to Gettysburg and Gettysburg loans it to West Point for a period of time and then it comes back act so you get so you get the best of both protected. I mean any one of the families anywhere would have one member who just wants to get something off of it. You know what I mean right so here it is. It's just fabulous. She's a wonderful lady found a receptive person for me as a museum person. We're thinking control things one. It should be preserved into it. Shouldn't be preserved just a nobody has a chance of CNN ought to be interpreted viewed people ought to be able to see it right and unfortunately personally a lot of these family collections. You know what happened by disasters divorces. There's all these things happen in stuff goes to the four wins so it's wonderful that that stuff gets preserved should be an interpreted these play absolately and of course for those listeners. Here Alonzo cushing commanded a As a first lieutenant battery a of the fourth United States artillery Six three and Jordan's rifles at the angle at Gettysburg. It was the focal point of the Pickett's divisions attack against the Second Corps and. He was multiple times wounded before he who was killed in that and I'll tell you a story about when I was working on cushing's life I contacted contacted the A Little County Historical Society and Chautauqua County New York where he grew up and in Westfield New York and they told me you know. We don't know anything we have here about him in particular There are a few things in the public library in Fredonia but we do have an old trunk upstairs. That was a cushing trunk. And you're welcome to come up and take a look. Well I'll tell you wayne nine. That was a revelation to me on Friday afternoon around four o'clock in the afternoon so you're so you're in your core clock early in the morning. I'm getting a car in New York. I got to the to the old house where all this was and let it'd be in and I went up in the attic and from the time that place open like at eight thirty PM until three all I found. Were just bits and pieces. I was counting getting discouraged and I I kept digging and finally at the very bottom of that trunk was a great big envelope like a business is enveloped used to see an early and this business was stuffed and in Pencil on the outside at red. Alonzo's letters Oh torch and there were twenty six letters written by Alonzo cushing from the time. He was a second classmate at West Point all the way up until one month before he was killed and it just I. That's what I said. Hell I could write about him now. I can make him talk. So He's is near and dear to my heart but I've never seen that belt in the flesh and I put it on display. This might sometimes. Sometimes it's an original one time we didn't loan down to obviously with the items that we have at the national or museum were very causing the fact that some of these are rare especially the textiles. Some of these cannot be on display people often when they don't need things to museums they wonder how come my thing can't be on display all the time. Why can't just be out there all the time? We have to remind everyone that these items have a shelf life so to speak and We WanNa make sure we rotate H.. Specially these items that may be sensitive to non in and out back and four so we put some of these things on temporary exhibit and we bring them back into storage temperature humidity controlled trolled storage and so that for generations. We can enjoy these things and not just for one generation of doing it. But sometimes it's hard for people to gather data I to understand that and we just it's our job to try to educate folks about The interpretation of those items we also have to preserve them so they can be interpreted be around One thing I know collectors and people love to look at our presentation officers source staff staff feels sort of line officers swords. What what notable ones you have in your collection? Well we have. One belong took Brigadier General. Frank Wheaton Wheaton was commander in six core absolute. This sword was actually given to him when he was colonel the Second Rhode Island and was given him by his father. Wow now it's a beautiful presentation sword. We have another one that belonged to. I think it's Henry Landis Landis was the brother-in-law of John Bolton Reynolds and we have a presentation sword that he you'd was given to him for the action at which point and right outside. The Museum Museum is when the confederates came all the way up to across the river and he had an artillery battery from Lancaster Pennsylvania where he was from Philadelphia where he was from Philadelphia. Yeah and This is inscribed with the battles and into him and he's the brother in law. John Foot row isn't that cool. That's that's that's a nice presentation that we that we have we. Have you know some others. I can't take the names off top my head but we have others. That are part of that. I was on the Gettysburg Foundation Board or does some years ago. I got a call from a relic dealer in Gettysburg. Who We all know And he said I've got something here. I WANNA show you and I walked over there to his. The horse soldiers then went inside and up on the second floor he took me to the a a little vault. The open the vault door and outcomes this Chesser Kepi with a wreath embroidered with us and not to star two stars and then came out. A lot of photography of very young officer and then came out in discussion postwar Scotch and with all the battle honours. Whoever this person was and it had John Fulton Reynolds and I went? Oh My heavens you know and it was just a ton of stuff and I said this is all John Reynolds things they go. Yeah Yeah I said where does it come from. He says the family and so Do you think the Gettysburg National Military Park would like that and I said I I would certainly a hell hope so and so we managed to get that to happen but Yeah great stuff I as a as an old relic guy from way back like I know you've been I love looking at that. I love to go to museums. I love to see it all all and I'm really glad we're here to share the national civil war museum in Harrisburg with people here. Who Listen to this podcast? So I thank you for that and thank you for coming here. I appreciate it. Can't we wanna tell stories or a better way to to learn about the civil war then tell story that's right and and make those personal for people and so at the civil war museum were using these objects to tell a larger story shoe. The is a real person right and for me at At the museum somebody as a battlefield guide and interpreter many years as a kid interested news. There's no better way to get people interested until story. Yeah no I agree. Great and and that's the best way to do it. It is the best way to do it. We you know you're also the CO author of a book called Pickett's charge at Gettysburg Iceberg a guide to the most famous attack in American history. You and Jim Hessler have put this book together and I gotTa tell you it is perfectly beautiful book. It's gorgeous published and Ted Savvas out there in California does gorgeous work is maps or spectacular. Ed is very easy to understand where you are in this book. Because of the way it's laid out in the maps tell me what What are you who it in publishing this guide What are you trying to to to get to to people all who go out on the field and let them know precisely where events took place the whole motive behind this? Yes so I've thanks very much cancer first of all let me just say I gotta give Kudos to to to the CO author. James Hausler my friend. Many years about four guide. Jim Is what I call all closure just piddle around to stop and I think we would have still been waiting on it if it if it had been to to get to get to shop shotgun so we worked very well together. I would work with him on any project. It just did some nice suiting together there. And of course we've got shots did a tremendous job as you said in the land in Steve Stanley. Doing the thirty one maps because this book is a guide you need to have some spectacular maps ought ought to do it and of course Steve have been a matmaker for American battlefield. Trust for many years so these are first rate in. The book is in color which I really like because you can lay some and things out what we really wanted to do with. This work is a couple of things. We wanted to reach multiple audiences so I think it would be unusual first of all to have a hardback book as a as a field guide. I'd but we really wanted you to be able to take this thing out onto the battlefield. If you wanted to do that but we also wanted to make sure that if you were at home you could follow wit and understand it right the maps and everything that are in there and we also did which I'm really proud of Clo- there's things called out. I guess I would say just little sidebar. I Su out the book that are stories each one of those sort of standalone right on top of the of the narrative it. We were just pleased to be able to to publish the first really ever guide to Pickett's charge and no one else's ever done now no one has and and and it's it's it's it's If I dare say the most walk part of the battlefield I still. I think it is even more really than little round. Top people walking that every day the assault attack and seeing the union defense. We have four tours in here here so we don't forget that the Yankees had something to do with it as it said right. Well you know what's what's needed and you go through each of those tours and you know it begins on the confederate side with the massing all those field batteries Preparing to open fire on the union positions. And what you got one hundred seventy eight hundred seventy five guns that they've brought out there to To Open Fire and I remember Henry Slocum says he had never ever seen anything like it before and his entire life. Now or since right and What you lay out you and JIM lay out All the batteries where they are by name on the maps and in the text and So to begin with people can literally walk that line along long it really in front of Seminary Ridge all the way down to the peach orchard laying out all those all all those guns and we had many many a day if you could recorded conversations. They wouldn't be pretty about where to lay out all those. This is a Mike. Hikers study it is but we took great pride in getting the primary sources as best. We could for the confederate batteries. It's quite difficult. Because the batchelder maps basically officer would come and tell John batchelder. Hey this is so cases the plaques or reverse of what you so many others are even the armament for a couple couple of batteries Well what is it we. We took great pains in looking at many many primary sources to get to where we're at in the order of battle and what which ones actually fired which I didn't and I think some people would say well that's a little too much. We just wanted to be as comprehensive as we could. May you wanted it to be a go to source. We wanted you to be able to pick it up and say this is what these guys think but more importantly the default notes that basically say this is where they got it. I I have to take our word for it. Take somebody else's right for it. But then as you as you move along you go to the attack of each elements of this assault force horse pedigrees Dorsey penders Isaac Trimble and then and then pay an Pickett's and you pick up each one of them so there are tour stops so that you see each one how far they get And and then of course into the into the defenses the union defenses and You follow the North Carolinians. What farthest to the front at Gettysburg was the motto? Had it on their license plates. Royer actually got the furthest did day. We know what we know what. The Fifty Fifth Davis said. Probably the eleven Mississippi when you look at it now to me. It's a tremendous fi I can't even imagine I read for years description to that of that fire one and I just can't imagine a person dare the air. The next up I think is going to be. The last one is going to be awful and and it's It's just For me it's a human aspect which is important we forget when we're moving these little numbers around or remove a little pins around that these people just like you you and I right and getting blown up facing facing nat just tremendous and so I like also so what we did. Which I'm very proud of? Is We put some human interest stories in there and we called some of them out call outs and we really tried to personalise. Some of those places we One of my favorites and you stop me if I'm going too much Not Ken but is is a soldier in cushing's battery now and we actually got a photograph from the dealer friend of mine of a soldier in cushing's battery and so fast and Susan. I remember when we were doing research. Facet spirit in the National Cemetery. And according to the records he died on the thirteenth to July. We'll I've found a newspaper Article Michael Researching in one thousand nine hundred eighty six with being cleaned people singing so fast and he died in California. And Facet please stand up go. We don't know here's a grave cemetery with this man yet. There's an entire newspaper article where he said he lost his papers. He couldn't prove who he was. And and so there's more research to be done on. That and here is an unpublished photograph. Until we got a hold of this of this older. Thanks to our our friend who you had a dealer of a young young man. In cushing's battery reportedly mortally wounded Gettysburg buried in the National Cemetery. Well guess what. There's a body there but the name is on it but I'm not sure facet. Wow it's just incredible you know to me other than Frederick Fu Ghur and And Lieutenant Milne. I don't know the photograph of anybody else. Out of that battery Never come across would have been the person to see when you're doing regular it's a lot more difficult to do some really is I mean. This is so so so much less on them. Let's close is this here but by asking this all the Times I've taken people out on on the field of the Pickett Pettigrew attack attack. The question always comes up. was that this just suicidal. Why would Lee have ordered this? What's your answer? Well my answer to that is the next logical step for the battle so we take a look at what's going on. In the battle first aid confederates push push the union army north and west the town. Drive them South Leah Tax on the second day he still has momentum to make these assaults on July. Third I I. I don't think it's going to be a question whether he's GonNa make an attack. He's not going to hand over this initiative in the momentum over to the Union army. He's not GonNa do that. Question is where in in how it is planned be always remind everyone Pickett's charge as you and I know it is not what Robert e Lee went to bed with on the night of July Shaq. He wanted to coordinate it with with with picking and with yours men on the north end of the battlefield. He didn't get that because the Union army is going to attack over at the north end of the battlefield so he has to settle for our plan B. and plan B. is out it is talked about he and we also should know that unless you walk that really can't understand the attack because you're not under fire the talk your relations that ground swell tactic swell and he wanted the artillery to be a major participant in that and twice in Robert Lee's own words in his official reports one in July eighteen sixty three one in January sixty four robbery. We had two reports alligators twice. He says it's the failure the artillery is the reason why take charge and take my word for it. You can take robbery lease word for it and He ordered that because it was the next logical thing to do and he wanted it properly prepared and I think the planning of it was in order for it to be successful. Everything had to go right absolutely and of course unfortunately for him. Fortunately for the Union army everything did not go right. Thomas Osborne he's Eleventh Union are are he said look seen many attacks in civil war. None of them had a hope a succeeding seating. He said I was at Kennesaw Mountain. I saw it but he said pick a short did he said I think it did. And I was on the Union artillery. been properly done. They weren't yeah so I think you just have to take yourself out of the twenty first century mindset and put yourself back into the eighteen sixty often when I'm out out there talking with people always liked to remind them that on the second day the the attacks lead launched against the union left were so ferocious and fought over so viciously viciously that he could tell by just looking at the casualties on the battlefield and those prisoners of war being taken to career that he had virtually demolished the Third Corps Union Third Corey. He had virtually actually not as much as a third but he had really mangled the Fifth Corps because he could tell I mean he these reports which are coming back. These guys were from the Fifth Corps here from the third His his people were telling him and that He had mangled at least one division of Second Corps and he knew as well that after the fighting on July one that he had taken out much of the I corps and much of the eleven yet so when you start adding up you start and ending up. Yeah exactly and I mean he can look at the wreck back on the battlefield after finding July second and so like you is it is the next logical step for him and borne to the fact that he believed. I'm convinced that he had wrecked union army so badly that have he made a concerted effort against the center. He break it. Yeah well I tell everybody. And he's got a nice model he can look to and he doesn't have to look but only forty eight hours go to the attack the seminary where he made a frontal assault against heavily fortified position I stack with artillery. The confederates came right through there and punched a hole all right in that defensive work. It's not quite as wide as Pickett's charge but PICKETT's charge has more on the ground more protection his troops they completely leap drove that wedge right in that union line right off and he's only got a look forty eight hours to see it. Yeah precisely I mean look ahead he could see the swailes and you could get the entire Dagang Division in those whales right and so now they're Satan. There's safer from enemy fire. And they're only GONNA get. Shell burst on them but in a direct fire. So there's a lot to be said for it given all that and which is what he would have seen right and I think we've got. Ah Throw a quick quick kudos out to general meat. Because let's remember the federals. Put up a very staunch defense. They had to prepare defense there And how how do we know it was good because they ended up getting what I want it. They want exact. So we've got to. We have to give credit to the union defenders. Put up tenacious. Defense finch there for on on July third to match the bravery confederates coming across that field exactly and the effective the effective use of field artillery on the Union side too. I mean they were. They were striking them with explosive. Shells way out right here in the fields and yeah it's a it's a a fascinating thing. Wayne look at my friend. It's been a treat having you here and I wish you all the luck in your. I love your book. Well thanks and I want you to tell Jim how much I love it too. and With respect to the museum I hope all our view all our listeners Get Get up to Harrisburg Pennsylvania and take a look at The collections you have up there in. Thanks thanks for having me and let me say on that on that vein. They can they can go to the website site national civil war museum dot Org they go to facebook and like US follow us. Do this kind of thing super super way your pal. Thank you You Bet can't thanks. Ravin welcome bye-bye become an American hero. 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"Welcome to kiss myths and mysteries Siamese host kid chrome today mass haunting 's in Gettysburg for over one Hundred Years Gettysburg Pennsylvania's been flooded by reports of paranormal activity from Phantom cries, wounded soldiers, lifelike apparitions, many visitors to Gettysburg of untouched by haunting. Past Gettysburg was a site where confederate and union armies clashed on July. First, eighteen, sixty, three, the battle. Was Day bloodbath that will change American history forever when cannon smoke clear the union soldiers had one but nearly five thousand horses and fifty thousand men lay dead or dying ninety. The confederate soldiers never received a proper burial now, more than fourteen decades. Later, these unsubtle spirits may still linger and Gettysburg. This historic town is home to a surprising number of Phantom. Forms captured in photography including the ghost of what appears to be General Robert e Lee the Daniel Lady Farm was used a confederate army field hospital soldiers. He suffered from artillery wounds usually lot of chest wombs lost limbs were brought to the farm to recover suffer through the final moments of their lives. The farmhouse and barns saw their share of ghastly horror. The ghosts of general. Isaac you'll and his ten thousand men still reportedly off the farm cash town and just eight miles west of the tiny town cash town was the site where the first soldier was killed during the Gettysburg campaign of the civil war. The current owners believe they have proof of their ghastly and ghostly visitors chat Palomino in his wife had. Pictures from nineteen, Eighty, seven through two, thousand, seven, a strange orbs and skeleton showing up in photos according to Mr Palladino he and his guests have heard their share of thumping doors. They've also witnessed lights turning on and off on their own doors lock IAN unlocking themselves. The history of Gettysburg hotel is filled with tales very haunting 's a ghost of A. Woman. Who has been seen dancing in the hotel's ballroom paranormal investigators believe the spirit of Union soldier James Colbert on of company K Pennsylvania reserves still roams around the hotel or the Bala dairy in offer spectacular views of the countryside. It's sometimes gives visitors a terrifying glimpse of life after death located on hospital road in served as a union field hospital during. Day Two of the battling Gettysburg Suzanne Lawn key. The owner has collected dozens of stories of photos of her guests ghostly encounters according to a psychic. The in appears to be haunted by confederate soldiers buried underneath a nearby tennis court. The ghost train tourists could take a ninety minute ride on the ghost train the only ghost tour. Gettysburg that takes visitors across. The actual battlefield. One of the tour storyteller says he and the passengers of smelt cigar smoke and see the souls of soldiers roaming on the train or near the tracks won't traveling across historic battle mass haunting SA- Gettysburg was produced here night, owl sound studio and brought to you by neidl audio theatre tales. So the paranormal, I'm Kim Crumb. Thanks for listening.
Constitutional Expert Jeff Utsch on the Supreme Court over stepping their bounds when it comes to their latest decisions.
"You are listening to the conservative circus. I. Am Your Ringmaster James To hairs looks everywhere. We go everywhere. We look around our our country. We see that the republic is under attack whether we're talking about the protesters. The street you look over was happening in in in Seattle with this Chaz. Chop Mess you look at what's happening with the with the Supreme Court. You're wondering you know what in the world is going. Going on in the center ring of the conservative circuits, we have Jeff. Lucia's an instructor at the leadership and Freedom Center in Gettysburg Pennsylvania. He's also my partner with the constitutional conversations and Jeff. We had to Supreme Court decisions this week. That I find very disturbing because I is further example that the supreme court that are different branches of government are not staying in their lane. Are you seeing the same thing? All. James T. it's been a rough week. You know and this is one of the fallacies that we can't think that the most important thing that we need to worry about his supreme court nominees through the president, because no matter what they seem to be off the rails in this ruling, bostock's versus Clayton County, which applies does title seven of the nineteen sixty four civil rights at apply to gays and transgenders, and the important thing to think about. It's not up to the Supreme Court decide. Should discrimination be allowed for gays and transgenders? It's what does the law. What does the law say? Say and This is kinda crazy. Because a title seven does say no discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. So this case is purely about what the sex music. What did it mean? What does it mean now and we see Justice Gorsuch who, really in my opinion right here, James T loses a lot of credibility, not all credibility, but most of his credibility on what a textualist should be, and absolutely he's no originalist. That's for sure, because in this opinion James He. Really you know it's twenty seven pages I've read the whole thing. It boils down to this. He says look. Sex discrimination matters because in the workplace sex discrimination applies the gays and transgenders because in the workplace if you have two people. and. They both love a man in the workplace, so these two people love a man. If one of those people that love this man is a woman in the other one is a man than the man could be discriminated against okay based on his sex. So that basically is his argument, and I give it a maybe two on a one to ten scale, but when you come back. And read what he said in here also, so let's see what he says. He says that, but then he says this those who adopted this gorgeous Gorsuch, those who adopted the Civil Rights Act might not have anticipated. Their work would lead to this particular result. Likely. They weren't thinking about many of the acts consequences. In my response to Gorsuch is what have you thought about? Some of your acts consequences to make the only Jhansi to me is deeper than that. He freely admits right there that when this was considered in the nineteen sixties. That the that. Things were thought of different way. I mean when we talked about sex in the nineteen sixties. We didn't think about transgender or whatever whether LGBT? If we think about any of that stuff, so why is it? You know if he's going to beat originalist? Wouldn't he have to look at how things were defined how they were looked at back then he took that word section. He expounded on it to mean something nonsense. Go I and and. Since what does this have to do with the constitution? Does the Constitution speak to? How of gay couple or or Mansi is a woman in the workplace? What are we doing? Well he's He's definitely out of his lane. And if your listeners only read his opinion, they might be swayed a little bit, but then you know I. Give his argument one or two Alito comes back with Thomas Dissenting, and then all rights dissenting opinion to that really is a nine or ten just crushes. What Gorsuch writes! The first thing out of the box Lido says is there's only one word for what the court has done today legislation. Is that clear? They came out blazing any says basically he cuts gorsuch down that this is irresponsible. That we are hijack. Hijack, he says short cutting the legislative process. Because right now there are bills in the Senate and the House and the but different bills. That are deliberating. What's going on right now? And it's taking into account how this might affect other areas of our lives that we are not thinking about right now. He said this is absolutely. Irresponsible were taking away these legislative process. It's not what we're supposed to be doing. We have fifty years of jurists pure prudence on this. This isn't something that just Jack in the box jumped out of the box James. T fifty years of jurisprudence on what this means, and it's very clear. That there's a difference between how sex was defined sexual orientation gender, those kind of things and so it really is kind of ridiculous James T.
The O'Reilly Update, August 11, 2020
"Bill O'Reilly here Tuesday August Eleventh Two Thousand Twenty you listening to the O'Reilly update. Here's what's happening across our nation. The President Urges Oregon to deploy the National Guard Mr Trump may deliver his nomination speech from a civil. War Battlefield. American air travel down seventy five percent compared to last year. School resuming in New York City in other outbreaks stalls two thousand twenty. season. Also ahead are you poor rich in the middle? But I. President trump urging officials in Portland Oregon to send in the National Guard after anti police riots entered their eleventh straight week the president saying quote, the city's Outta control after three months mayor and governor are putting people's lives at Risk Unquote More than one thousand have been arrested since June but few have been charged in Oregon. Portland pretty much finished economically. The president. Also announcing he may deliver his party's nomination speech from Gettysburg Pennsylvania. That's of course, marks a turning point of the American civil war, a major defeat for the confederacy. The three day battle resulted in fifty thousand. Ts the same number. As in the entire? Revolutionary War. The US airline industry struggling lure customers act during Kovin? Travel is down seventy five percent compared the same period. Last year pull Choi Majority of Americans are refusing to fly. Until vaccine is available. Researchers estimate the odds of contracting co vid. On a plane. One. In four thousand. Seven hundred thousand students returning to schools in New, York City. New York Governor Cuomo giving the green light for classrooms to resume in person instruction including in some very covid infected districts. Another two hundred and fifty thousand kids will opt out and start the academic year from home when teaching starts in September. That's again in new. York. Operate. Postponing the baseball season somewhat. Ten players and seven staff members on the Saint Louis Cardinals testing positive covid, similar clusters the Miami Marlins just a week ago. Four teams now have been forced to delay their schedules since July. In a moment the truth about poverty in America right back with that. Turn Your House do a steakhouse with world famous Kansas City steaks, and make this summer's grilling season unforgettable with basically every cut of meat imaginable like filet Mignon reeb strip steaks plus pork chicken, seafood sides, desserts, and more. All, full of mouth-watering flavor there's nothing like this is. Getting, the grill on a summer night I've been using Casey for years. Find Your Perfect Combo today Kansas City stakes dot com for an amazing deal. GO TO KANSAS CITY STAKES DOT COM and use Promo. Code. Bill at checkout to receive ten free steak burgers and free shipping on orders of seventy five dollars or more. Or you can call one, eight, hundred, nine, eight, seven, eight, thousand, three, twenty, five, and Mention Code Bill to receive this special offer that's Kansas City stakes dot com enter code bill checkout or call one, eight, hundred, nine, eight, seven, eight, thousand, three, twenty, five mentioned Code Bill Kansas City stakes DOT com. Time now theoretically update message of the day behind all the racial strife we are seeing in. America right now behind all of it. Is, poverty. On a percentage basis many more African Americans are poor than White Americans. And poverty is a terrible state to be in. But in capitalistic America. The poor have it much better. Than other people. Elsewhere. Here the fax life expectancy is almost seventy nine. For a poor American right now and rising. According to the US census proximity thirty million Americans are living in poverty. The term is different for different populations, single individuals, married families, those who children and where you live. The common metric is a family of four earning below twenty five, thousand dollars. Now, according to the Heritage Foundation, the vast majority of those living in poverty actually enjoy a fairly comfortable standard of living compared to others in poverty around the world. Most, homes below the poverty line have two cars I didn't know that. Everybody has a refrigerator. No matter what your level of income is TV ninety eight percent of the poor have television stove and oven ninety, eight percent microwave eighty, one percent air conditioning seventy, eight percent of the poor in America of air conditioning cable or satellite TV sixty, three percent. And on and on and on. So the amenities are there basically because of the safety net. that. The US government provide support people they get a consistent stream of income in and they can buy things. Get Harvey is awful. And people are deprived who live below the poverty lawn however. They have far more than most other poor around the world. That's the point. Also. The Socialists will tell you. That a government run economy would improve the lives of the poor. That is not true. And it's hard to believe when you consider the list of items that I just mentioned. So Socialism's going to provide more. Staples than capitalism does for the poor I don't think so. If you travel to nearby Cuba which I did a few years ago. You'll see with your own eyes that socialism and communism has failed their. Most Cubans are desperately poor. They don't have anything. Same situation in Venezuela. In Russia in China in Vietnam. SOCIALISM AND COMMUNISM IS A. Joke. It does not work it puts more people in. Poverty. The way out of a destitute circumstance is, of course education. And in the USA, you can get a free education. Particularly if you're a minority. From Preschool all the way through college. You gotta work hard. But it's there. I'm bill. O'Reilly and I approve that message by writing it for more news analysis please visit bill. O'Reilly Dot Com and please join our campaign stand up for your country. In a moment something, you might not know. Now, the Riley update brings you something. You might not know thirty two years ago today, a group of men held a secret meeting in Pakistan to discuss the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Those president included Osama Bin Laden and DR I'm on all Zawahiri after discussion the group decided to create a new organization to fight the Russians and also a holy war jihad around the world to promote Islam, the group named. The base or Al Qaeda. The wealthy bin Laden himself funnel millions of dollars into the terror network almost immediately establishing headquarters in six Muslim countries. After the USA US Saudi Arabian territory to launch attacks against Iraq during the first Gulf War Operation Desert. Storm. Al Qaeda found a new target. America and its allies. Between one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, two, in two, thousand, ten. Al. Qaeda organized fifty major terror attacks against the USA Spain Yemen India the UK Bali more at its height al Qaeda was made up of roughly sixty affiliate organizations such as al Qaeda in Iraq and consisted of ten thousand Islamic fanatics. In total, they would kill. More than eleven. Thousand innocent people. Including as you know, three thousand in New York and Washington on nine eleven. The US war on terror would largely disrupt al Qaeda using a new military technology drones. The Pentagon launched five thousand unmanned strikes against the terror network between two, thousand, four, and two, thousand eighteen. Killing, ninety nine percent. Of Al Qaeda leadership. Today, the terror group is considered mostly ineffective since the US raid that killed Bin Laden in two thousand eleven. Isis splinter groups in Syria and Yemen a ranked as bigger threats than Al. Qaeda. And here's something else you might not know. The last deadly attack Al Qaeda claim credit for was in February two. Thousand. Sixteen A suicide bomber tried to bring down an airliner flying from. Somalia. To the Middle East the bomber did manage to inflict one death. himself. The plane landed safely a short time later. Back. After this thank you for listening to the O'Reilly update I. Am Bill O'Reilly. No spin just facts and always looking out for you.
You Can't Leave Risk Out of Your Math Equations (Hour 1)
"Live from the headquarters of Ramsey solutions broadcasting from dollar car rental studios. It's the Dave Ramsey. Show where debt is dumb cash is king and the paid off home mortgage has taken the place of the BMW as the status symbol of choice. I'm Dave Ramsey your host. This is your show America. Thank you for joining us. Open phones as we talk about your life and your money. The phone number is triple eight. Eight two five five two two five. That's triple eight. Eight to five five to five. Christina is with us in Gettysburg Pennsylvania. Hi Christina how are you good? How are you better than I deserve? What'S UP I am calling because I'm trying to figure out if we should sell our home to pay off. Are you like Your House I do? I like our house but we are a family of five and it's a thirteen thousand square foot or yeah thirteen hundred square foot. Hell excuse me. I'm nervous such as And it has one bathroom. So we're gonNA need to upgrade. Eventually you have three kids. And what's your household income It's about sixty two. What are you on your home We have a mortgage. That's just under ninety eight thousand and a home equity line for just under fourteen and how much other at this have Aside from the fourteenth For the home equity loan we have a thousand dollars student. Loan debt Thirteen on one car. Six thousand on the other. We have an unsecured loan for nine thousand and eight thousand in credit card debt normal. Yeah Yeah you're GONNA mess you. Don't WanNa be normal. You won't be weird normals broken that everybody and that's what you guys are okay Well I sell a house as a last resort. If you're going to be moving anyway or you don't like your house it'd be okay to sell it and help you out of debt and rent something and build your Emergency Fund and build a down payment. But YOU'RE NOT GONNA sell and buy something that's going to meet your needs. So you're you're you're pretty much saying we're GONNA rent for probably three years. I don't know what's what's the house worth Yes we spent a real estate agent last year And then our sewer line went out but we She said it was worth about one. Seventy ben I don't know if the market's going up or down I haven't looked into it. Okay well it would clear up most of your debt and get your started so you're probably renting for a couple of years. If you do this you okay with that I'd be okay with renting A good school district you know and you might be able to depending on if you went out a little bit further out of town or whatever in a little cheaper area you might be more square feet than your than you've got now for about what you're paying now per month. Okay and if you got that in a new school district that almost being a move up right temporarily and Sharon and I did that many years ago we sold our house. It paid off the rest of our debts and we moved to a good school district and we ran for two years. Which was really hard for me because I've been landlord. Most of my life not attendant but shows kind of an emotional slam dunk but But I got through it and Sharon hated the rental house by the way she hated it and hard time wanting to sell. But my husband wants to do it. So that's why I'm calling you. Kinda like here's the thing I'm looking at. If you were out of debt and had built your emergency fund and started having some money saved. You're probably moving now. Does this House a small for you? Guys is what you're saying. Yeah it is small so if you can make a plan to end up where you WANNA be in three years and the fastest way to get there is sell and rent for two of those years then That's a pretty good plan. If it puts you where you WANNA be paying a price to get their living like no one else so later we can live like no one else. It's not a slam dunk. If you're willing to sit there that's fine but it probably accelerates you get to the house you want In the area that you want and the debt free goal that you want probably accelerates all about the you know at the end of the story. What gets you in the House that you wanna live in debt free other than the house. The fastest and I think selling it does that so so more inconvenient. Because it's too moves. Karen is with us in Knoxville. Hi Karen welcome to the Dave Ramsey. Show Dave thank you for taking my call. Sure what's up? Well I am calling with my family and I are in a little bit of a prediction. We recently My brother my sister and my father and myself are trying to help my brother. Currently he is in a A detox clinic. He has been a alcoholic for Thirty years and he's decided to finally get help excited. Yes and so. We are in a predicament. Now trying to take care of his finances and he goes somewhere long-term possibly a year or eighteen months We obviously don't want to enable him but we want him to be able to you know get out of the facility and have some freedom What do you suggest in that situation? He probably has about twenty thousand dollars debt to what on two vehicle loans which he's upside down on camper loan which he also is upside down on and possibly some back Income Income tax. Does he have any money? Obviously not been drinking for their now. He does not have any okay and does he own a home. No family other than you got. He does have a family But as a strange because of the alcohol. We're the three that would are there for him to say. And there's no one counting on him quote unquote. It's been a long time okay. That's the way I what I would guess. Anyway so Laura. Is he willing to sell the cars in the camper? I think he would be willing to call. Okay sell them all and I would that would that leave you in the whole? Oh maybe ten. Ten of the twenty the whole caboodle won't bring Tim Graham. I don't think so junky cars. Yes I think he Yeah he got himself in a bad situation you poor credit so they were the loans with one is what landmark or I guess too with landmarks and then one is with just a a a little motor place near his where he lives. He lives in your area. No he lives in north Georgia all right well. Let's first set our priorities. Okay Him Getting. Well is not dependent upon any of this junk. Okay the him. Getting well is of twelve on a scale of one to ten agreed yes absolutely and so if he comes home and there's nothing there but some repeal notices and he's well he's got a really much better life than he had agreed agreed. Okay so worst case scenario if you do anything you're okay if he gets if he gets well if you guys want to help him and if you guys are sitting on some money and you WANNA ride ten thousand dollars worth of checks sell all that junk that's fine and you said he's got an RS. Loan lean think so maybe how much that could be ten thousand. Maybe we don't know we're trying to get your that help you. I would put that on payments on his behalf installments. The minimum possible installments. Get a tax advisor to help you go to one of our LP's and if you WANNA pay those payments and about the ten dollars checkers group you can folks. I don't have to tell you what your student loan debt is doing to your budget. Get rid of it. Go TO SPLASH FINANCIAL DOT com slash Ramsey and see if you qualify to refinance your loan to lower rate. Unlike other refinancing splash has no fees. I'm talking no application fee. No closing costs not even an early pay off fee and if you qualify you'll get lower rates to help you get out of debt faster. Sounds like a no brainer to me. Stop WASTING TIME SPLASH FINANCIAL DOT COM slash Ramsey. Check your interest rate in minutes. And See if you qualify. Thanks for joining US America. It's free call. Triple eight eight to five five to five. Sam Is with us in Grand Junction. Hi Sam how are you good? How are you better than I deserve? How can I help right now? I just completed. Baby step one. I just recently discovered you. I had some friends that I went through in college and I just graduated and right now I have eighty thousand student loans. I'm a mechanical engineer. And I'm on the job but primarily one calling because I know that you Like a little bit about your story and I was wondering what it took for you to make sure you in line do a dumb spending mistake. Course things like that when you know you're basically just going full force with the debt because you're gonNA kill that want to get get done and then other days it's like. I really WANNA go spend this on XYZ stupid item and so I was wondering how you maintain the discipline to people on track towards being. Actually well I have the benefit of being married to a lady who is not impressed with me and so she calls out my stupidity for the last thirty six years. Pretty regularly yeah. That's one thing accountability in other words. I'm joking around. But Accountability helped. Sometimes you can use a friend for that aura apparent for that. A pasture for that spouse for that whatever but someone that says. Hey I'm gonNA walk with you and I'm going to get up in your business if you start messing up okay. The second thing is that I I had a huge and I always recommend this to others as well. A huge reason re a huge. Why if you have a why that is big enough? It will draw you away from being sloppy in your discipline to give you an example of that if the doctor came in and said if you don't lose ten pounds in the next Two months you're going to die one hundred percent chance you die if you don't lose ten pounds guess what you're GonNa do. You have now have a really big Y. You are going to lose ten pounds. There is no cookie in the world. Looks Good Right. But if it's Kinda like I think I might feel better in jeans my fit better if I lost a little weight cookies. Look better than that right. And so you gotTa have a big why on whatever it is. You're doing in the bigger. Your why the more disciplined the more intense. The more focused. You'll get there. The you know and the more urgency you'll have with it and so what I would do is and it can be a positive thing. Negative thing he doesn't have to be. You're going to die. It can just be that you know that I really I can visually. I could see myself being wealthy and I can see the amount of generosity I could do if I was wealthy and it breaks my heart to look at this certain group. People that are hurting and I could help that group of people. God could used to do that and so I'm going to pay a price to win just to be able to do that. That's a positive. Why right it doesn't have to be. I'm going to die right it can. It doesn't have to be that it can just be you know. I've got real big things to do with money and so I need to go get some and you need to outline that Chris. Hogan says to make sure that in his book retire inspired. He says make sure your dreams. Your why is in high definition? Hd Like your HDTV remember the old TV's when it wasn't hd the APP you ever I flip channels although they've changed our cable lineup in Nashville are channels and where they are. An accidentally landed on some of the old channels. They still got them going out. That aren't HD. And I'm like I can't watch football on that. It's just it's awful. I don't know how we I don't know how we did it. Back in the Stone Age before we had hd in so I mean you gotta HD. I mean come on this four G. maybe right I mean three deaf Hologram. What is it I mean but but you just get your dreams really crystal clear. Smell the waves breaking smell the salt off the saltwater as the waves are breaking on the sand if you're going to do a vacation trip in the Caribbean or you're going to own a house there in the Caribbean and you won't. You won't be able to go down there and visit right. Just set that aside. I mean you gotta you gotTa hear it you gotTa Smell. You got to feel the sun on your face. You got to think about what's going to be like to be out there fishing as the sun's coming up if you're a fisherman because you were able to get that bass boat because you got your finances under control when you've got the time to go do that whatever it is you WanNa do. I don't know but you got to be crystal clear. Hd Your goal your dream and that becomes your why and then have folks come around you and publicly state what your goal is. Don't keep your goal. Keep your dream of yourself. Say it out loud so that other people even some of your friends might shame you. You know they might. They might be negative accountability. But I'm doing this and then that what happened near deal. You know that's coming at you if you've said it publicly but if you've not told anybody then that's the other thing so really good question. Mark is with us in Phoenix Arizona. Hi Mark How are you? Hey Dave on great. Thanks so much for taking my call. Sure how can I help? I am question. I never heard directly address A lot of questions about loans graduate school loans but never this specific one We got about four hundred thousand dollars in investments. And we're on baby step five with the exception that I still have fifty thousand of about one hundred. Seventy thousand dollars in student loans left that I specifically haven't Haven't been paid off completely Because of the fact that the interest rate on there's only two point seven five percent the only other debt we have is our house at three percent and right now yes. Fifty thousand student loans used to be one seventy paid down from one seventy correct. Yeah Okay and the money. That's in investments. Four hundred thousand. Is that in? Retirement accounts only know About two hundred thousand dollars in retirement and the other two hundred thousand dollars in five twenty nine plans for my children. Okay so on your premise. Then you actually have heard me address this like every day but anyway. Assad from that on your premise. If you could borrow fifty million dollars at two point something percent and invest it would you if I knew that the no no no no not yet I this is in the real world. There's no I if I knew this is in the real world where your scenario is your scenarios in the real world if you could borrow fifty million dollars invested the way your two hundred thousand dollars invested would you and I i. It seems like neat answer is no but in my mind it seems like yes you got at least. I got you move in a little bit here. Here's here's the purpose of my bizarre scenario. Okay when you are doing math with your head what I did with a bizarre scenario is I made you feel it a little bit rather than just have the intellect because you are somebody that has a strong intellect your bright guy okay and you tend to think things through only when I made you feel for just a second there and you were like confused but okay I get it. I'm I'm not I'm GONNA bite okay. No I wouldn't what happens. There is your heart is where you measure risk and you are leaving risk out of this scenario and the risk is acceptable to you because you have the money to write the check that I pay off the debt and so it doesn't bother you that you've borrowed money to invest effectively. That's what your balance sheet shows and so it doesn't bother you but when I try to put a couple Zeros on the end of that it all of a sudden you feel the weight of it and you go. There is risk here and you've left risk out of your mathematical equation. So the borrower is slave to the lender the millionaires that we have met with. And we've studied ten. We've started ten thousand of them recently. Tell us that they get out of debt as quickly as possible. One hundred percent and they stay out of debt and they use that lack of risk not leverage and they use just simple cash flow to pour into their investments. So all of that having said Mark what I would do if I woke up in your shoes before before the sun sets tonight I would be very that fast. This is the Dave Ramsey show talk. Usa saves you money down from Minnesota said we switched from horizon. Appear Talk. Thanks to Dave Ramsey. I was skeptical but after leaving the big city and traveling to a rural areas service coverage. Never lapses guys pure talk. Usa has the same great coverage for less and no contracts. Try it risk-free. Today call pound to fifty. Say the key words Dave Ramsey and receive fifty percent off your first month pound to fifty key words Dave Ramsey Find out for yourself. Why BLINDS DOT COM? Is the number one online retailer of custom window coverings free samples free shipping new promos all the time? Use the Promo Code Ramsey. They give us our question of the day from avery in Georgia. I'm seventeen years old. I'll be graduating from high school in. May every time I get a paycheck. Pay For my bills then. I put the leftover money in my currently fifteen hundred dollar merchants refund when I get my car service where it's a simple oil change or unexpected needing transmission replaced should pay for it out of my emergency fund or a second savings account. Your Emergency Fund should be for emergencies. Which would be an unexpected car. Event tires don't wear out unexpectedly. Oil CHANGES ARE NOT UNEXPECTED TRANSMISSIONS. Going out are unexpected. Gas is not unexpected regular tune-ups or not unexpected. And so you put a rhythm in your budget for For Car Repairs Normal car maintenance and then you usually emergency fund for big items that surprise you and are unexpected. That's how we determine what an emergency is so going on vacation for some of you need to remember is not an emergency. Peggy is in Cincinnati. Hi Peggy welcome to the Dave Ramsey. Show Hello Dave. Thank you for taking my call. Sure what's up well. I am retiring at the age of sixty six. My husband is sixty eight and I was talking. I'm retiring from the postal service. I was talking to the federal retirement counselor and I have three hundred and eighty thousand in my thrift savings plan for you and I know that you always say do a roll over so you don't pay taxes on it and you talk about good growth mutual funds. She said I need multiple. Ira's you I need multiple IRA's. I didn't think so. It sounded like you were just talking about one. Ira well I mean. Each of the mutual funds might have a separate account number on my best possible. But it's just one I are. There may technically be four by the time you do the rollover but we are going to roll it in the four types of mutual funds growth growth and income aggressive growth and international if you want to be a little more conservative At your age you would replace the aggressive growth with a balanced but something like that when you sit down with a smartvestor pro and yes I would do a rollover into traditional not roth because I don't WanNa pay the taxes on it now at seventy and a half. There is an R. MD a required minimum distribution required to start pulling money out. And so just be prepared for that but One that I have now. I'm sorry my savings plan is traditional. It's IT'S NOT IRAQ. So it would be a Roth when. I mean it'd be a traditional when you roll it over. Don't do a Roth just let it. Just let it be traditionalist taxes on that let it continue to grow Do you need money off of it? Now No Our income will be about fifty eight thousand a year between Social Security and my pension plan to live on that we plan to live on that nominal. We own our house. It's worth at least three hundred thousand way to go drive on used cars. I love it. So does he have a nest egg in his plan No he does not okay. You know that we do have a thirty thousand dollar emergency fund. So you've got a seven hundred thousand dollar net worth. You're almost millionaires way to go. Thank you well. It's partly due to you because listening to you. We've finally decided to get serious and get. The House paid off before retirement. I'm glad you did. They put you in a real comfortable position. Doesn't it feels pretty good. You can have a pretty good life on fifty eight grand with no house payments or anything right we are hoping so we think so and see. Here's the thing if you leave that money alone up invested well in about seven years. It'LL DOUBLE WOW. Well how much do you say they will make Me Take out when I'm seventy and a half. What do you think formula? It's not much it's not gonna it's not gonNA damage it severely but there's just a certain amount what her masters they don't want you to die with all that money in there with no taxes. They WANNA get their tax money so therefore they force it out. That's all it is but it's not that heaviest. It's not that stringent a schedule. And so I wouldn't worry about that. I think you're GONNA end up some you know. Let's say sixty six by the time you're seventy three. You're going to be have well accessible million dollar net worth I if you live on that fifty eight. That's what's going to happen. You have done very well. Congratulations I'm proud of you. Open phones at triple eight eight two five five two two five. Caitland is in Cedar Rapids Iowa. Hi Caitlyn how are you? I'm good Dave. How are you deserve? What's up okay? So last January did something dumb and I leased a car and then I started watching you and I learned that I wasn't supposed to do that But about three months after at least the car I did another stupid thing and I accidentally back into my dumpster with it And this is what I was inbetween. Insurance Insurance couldn't pay for it Luckily we have insurance now. So that's covered. I don't really know what to do with this car because it don't really have the money to replace the bumper. It's not a huge damage but I also don't know the lease ends in two ears so I'm not sure what the Dent I say like basketball's is I mean. It's not a big dent. That's pretty good sized in basketball softball. Okay yeah all right. Have you gotten an estimate from bodyshop on repairing it? No not yet. I'd tell them you don't have insurance. You're paying cash and you need to repair it as inexpensively as possible and go get an estimate and put that in your budget because if you turn car in on a lease with a basketball sized dent. They're going to leave them. They're going to leave a basketball size dent in your checkbook right. So I'm not sure if I should just by the car after the lease or We don't WANNA have to. We don't want to buy because of the dent but if I wanted to buy it and it's a good deal you could if you've got the cash. So what do you think what is the? What was the sticker price? On the time you took out the car. The it was a twenty seventeen Nissan rogue and I wanNa say it was like twenty thousand dollars per now mayor twenty or twenty eight maybe twenty eight okay that sounds about right so twenty eight and at least eighteen or I don't know just a little over a year ago and releases. How long a two year or three year leash years? Okay and well I mean are you GonNa have fourteen thousand bucks or fifteen thousand bucks or whatever to buy the car if that's the buyout at the end of the lease probably not. I'm in Babysat two right now. Not Ready to buy it out. If you're not ready to pay for it at the end the leash GONNA be turning it in. And you're going to be getting you a beater that you can pay for definitely show so that means we have to get the bumper fixed. Yeah Okay I'll that then it's not emergency but we do need to put it in your budget. You can put it at the end of your debt snowball if you wanted to. Because it's not really a dad but it's something you gotTa do before you know that September sneaks up on you because whatever you whatever the body shop tells you the dealer when you turn it ends probably going to double that right because you're above what the lease would call normal wear and tear basketball size. Dense don't fall under the heading of normal wear and tear sound but again it's not an emergency. The good news is you can just kind of put it in your plan. We're going to drive the car through the lease anyway and turning the keys at that point. Don't run your mouse over. Don't be over on your wear and tear which means that this thing has been fixed. This is the Dave Ramsey show from thank you for joining us. We're glad you're here. This is the Dave Ramsey. Show where we give you the same financial advis your grandmother would only we keep our teeth in? Kyle is with us in Austin Texas. Hey Kyle how are you? I am often day. Thank you so much for taking my call. Sure what's up in your world. Sure so my wife and I just started dating step three B. We're saving up for a house down payment and hope to have that ready in about fifteen months in line with our lease timing. We're very familiar with how much how should I buy formula? And it's awesome and that's our goal but we have some income fluctuations coming up through the next several years up and down. I'm going back to school. Can explain in more detail. I wanted to ask. Kinda which income numbers you think. We should use to help determine how much house we should get. Well if you use the highest income number and it fluctuates for a period of time down is GonNa put you in a strain right. Sure absolutely the current situation is basically or one sixty five now down to one hundred wine and law school. My firm will help pay for it and then up to over two hundred post-wall school that we're kind of not sure where to us what to use in their law school two years law school. Three years Plus I'M GONNA have to put about ten kate for myself for the school itself wild out right but I'm saying terms of time that we've got a sixty five thousand dollars drop from one sixty five down to one hundred and then three years later back up to two hundred. That's exactly right so I think I would want be heavy on the savings if I was basing it on a one fifty or one sixty income. Because you're basically what we're saying is you're in your your house. Payment is going to end up being about fifty percent of your take home pay for three years if you based on one sixty five and that's you know that's that's a formula that's not going to cause disaster but if there was a problem on top of that it could really cause you to have to sell the house. Yes so is there something to be said is i? Guess what you're getting at like. There's something to be said for really putting the money in the bank to float during that period of time if we that one sixty number as threshold. When do you start law school? Yeah I would most likely start law school in about two and a half years from right now. The plan is to be in the house about a year before starting law school. Yeah just I think one sixty five you could make it if you based on one sixty five but that three years is just a real you. You've set yourself up for some risk. It's not a guaranteed failure but when you got a High House. Payment as a percentage of your take home pay while you're trying to get through law school. I don't want you to have financial stress. Sure no I hear you completely. And we debated literally just waiting until after the bye but that's like five years from. I almost said that is why I asked when you're GonNa Star but yeah so I'm going to buy something like based on one hundred twenty thousand dollar income sure and then I'm gonNA move again five years from now after making two hundred. Yeah perfect going back and forth between those and that sounds like a great option. We really appreciate your insight on that just somewhere in there. I mean I'm just trying to figure out why so. You're not pinched and in stress while you're in law school tough enough without inviting financial stress by decision that we had control over so good question. It's an interesting discussion. Chris is with US IN INDIANA. Hi Chris how are you? I'm good Dave. How are you better than I deserve? What's up well My in laws approached my wife and I Thinking of giving us a large percentage of what would be inheritance from them here in the next couple of years or sooner I guess their fear is that You know if they go into a nursing home or some types. Some situation like that that that would soak up a lot of those resources and I just. I had some calms about you know. It's their money I wanted to get your thoughts. Doesn't work okay. When you cannot make yourself look broke when you're not broke in order to get the nursing home provided by the government on Welfare government free nursing home from the government is for welfare. It's for broke people. And if you if you move your assets out of your name the Gov- The government can look back five years on some things and ten years on the other end disqualify you from getting free nursing home care. You don't qualify from for welfare because you gave all your money away. That's what amounts to. It's it's called fraud. They call it unfair fraud. That's what the government calls it. And they will come down on their head if they find all of this and they'll look back five years and if they smell a rat thing go back ten years and so their their motivation for doing this is wrong. How old are they are just in their late sixties? Tell them to go get long term. Care Insurance okay. The takes care of their nursing home. Bill and here's the thing the nursing home bills or not. I mean they're bad if you're broke but how much money these people got. Oh I just think it'd be on the order of hundred thousand I'm not. I'm just speculating. They've not given me any time you'll numbers and they need to get long term care insurance immediate link and it's going to cost them you know twenty five hundred thirty five hundred dollars a year. It's worth every penny of it to protect their money. But no they do not need to transfer assets In order to falsely qualify for welfare. It's not only morally wrong. It's legally wrong and the government will come down on them if they catch them doing it and they do look at this stuff. In the average nursing home stay is only about three years so it would eat up one hundred grand okay if they did go into a nursing home and don't have long term care insurance but most long term care insurance policies now cover about three years of nursing home care so I would spend the money on long term care insurance and I would go get it today. If I was in this situation I would not try to hide. Assets to falsely qualify for welfare. You were right to feel funny about this. Lynn is with us in Chicago. Hi Lynn how are you? Hi Dave thank you for taking my call. Sure what's up in your world In my world. I'm trying to decide if I should be putting my twenty four year old out He still living here with me. And I'm trying to make that decision. Why is he still living there? number one. I didn't know any better until about three years ago that that I was supposed to guy them financially so I took your class while he was going through college Originally from college he graduated. Yes College Graphic designing job. Yes full-time Z. Live at home. Well he asked me if he could do his master's and a piece of the reason. Why thought about it. I'm calling you is because I had I had no savings I was About twelve thousand dollars each month in debt each month. I did my budget but I took the class and I told him what I think about it. He must take the class too so took the class also in out of class. I decided well maybe he could stay here to help me dig myself out so now make steps for by him being here because I make him pay his rent and everything we just split it But he wants to do his masters. So I'm thinking should continue to stay here while I start my retirement because I have absolutely not a penny in retirement as next month. I we start my retirement. thing there you couldn't make it in the beginning. I could not because I was so in the negative can yes. I can make it I. So he's not saying he's not staying there now for you and is in. Wisey staying there for him now if he goes and gets his master so he has a free place to live. Well won't be free because he paint. How will they be paying getting his Masters Well his job gave him a huge What's IT called raise? And it was too because they don't have a program where they pay for master's degrees so they gave him a huge raise so with this race. He plans to pay for his master's long ause. He's debt free He's a sixty two now. What are you I S? Fifty about fifty make less. I don't think there's any gency here and there's not any abuse or any really bad situation. I do think it'll be advantageous to him. Emotionally live on his own away from his mommy. He's twenty four. He makes sixty thousand dollars a year. He's working on his master's you're on your own. You can care for yourself. It'll be really good for him emotionally to have his own place maybe with a roommate or something and if you WanNa get a roommate to help your numbers work. That'd be fine but on there's no emergency but sometime the next six months with. I WORKED HIS DAD. I would have been moved for his good for his emotional growth. This is the Dave Ramsey. Show This james childs producer of the Dave Ramsey show. I'm excited to announce the we're now carry on six hundred radio stations across the country to find one near you at Daveramsey dot com slash show. Money isn't the only thing we talk about around here. 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Michelle Obama's Closing Argument
"Everyone I'm David Chalian, the CNN political director this is the CNN political briefing. Here's what you need to know in politics for Tuesday, October sixth. Everything, Donald Trump is doing is wrong and hurting his reelection chances will discuss that plus Joe Biden's please for unity in a symbolic site today and finely Michelle Obama. The former first lady makes her closing argument for Joe Biden. We're now twenty eight days from Election Day and Donald Trump has spent the last week of this campaign doing everything almost entirely wrong in terms of actually winning his re-election effort from the disastrous debate performance a week ago in Ohio where he? Constantly interrupted where he refused to condemn white supremacists where he totally undermined the bedrock of American democracy by suggesting that the election would somehow not be on the up and up that it would somehow be a rigged election for all of those reasons and the behavior he displayed on that stage. That started a real tumble for him and it was a whole that he can't dig out of it seems he's just making it worse. Obviously, there was a real moment for him to have the sympathy of nation when he's diagnosed with corona virus. But of course, as Joe Biden points out hard not to suggest that the president is responsible for contracting the virus for the way he's been behaving and sort of flouting the rules that the CDC has put in place for everyone else in America to follow. An obviously, it is good news to see the present United States out of the hospital back home in the White House hearing reports that his symptoms are no longer as president as they were in previous days throughout this battle with cove it but the way in which donald trump behaved from the moment he got the diagnosis to his behavior over the weekend at the hospital and that absurd joyride endangering secret service agents in the car making them go out with him to wave to the crowd of supporters. To the totally. Absurd display on the south lawn yesterday of him, ripping off his mask in a message. That will no doubt. Actually harm Americans. Because we know there are millions upon millions of Americans who take his word and action for. Gospel. It certainly should surprise no one that in our brand new CNN poll just out today. Joe. Biden's got sixteen point lead over Donald Trump. Okay fifty seven percent to forty one percent. Now again, this poll was taken throughout the event I just took you through. It was probably the most disastrous week for Donald trump politically of his presidency and a high water mark for Joe, Biden and that's the snapshot that this poll captured but. It is the largest Joe Biden has had in this race throughout the entire race, and it looks pretty similar to an Embassy Wall Street Journal national pull out that was conducted after the debate but before trump's diagnosis and hospitalization. So it's not crazy to think that the trend that is being displayed in this poll is right that Joe Biden is opening up a lead in all the groups that Donald Trump needs to court. Independence Seniors Women, he's just getting blown out independence. He won by four points in two thousand sixteen. He's down nineteen points among them in this poll Senior Citizens Donald Trump won seniors by seven points in two thousand sixteen. He's down twenty one points with seniors. In this poll I, mean, it's just astonishing even women obviously, he lost women overall in two thousand sixteen to Hillary Clinton by thirteen points. Well, he's down by thirty four points among women in this poll and Joe Biden is keeping it a lot closer among men and white too key strength categories for trump and biden racing that strength and keeping it close and so if you just look under the Hood, you see that Donald Trump is in such a hole right now and everything he's done has made that whole deeper for him to dig out. Now here's what else matters today Joe. Biden. Heading to Gettysburg. Pennsylvania a critical battleground state and a place where he has campaigned more often than any other state in the union because the proximity to Wilmington where he has been sort of camped out during the Cova crisis. But also because it is imperative for Joe Biden to win Pennsylvania and so here he goes to Gettysburg Pennsylvania today and what's the speech about? It's about unity. It's plea for unity. It is back to the very theme of Joe Biden's entire candidacy a battle for the soul of the nation, and the campaign is using the symbolic background of Gettysburg as an example of what happens when the country is divided. But also as an example of what happens when the country displays its resolve to come together and in our. Latest poll that is out today we asked which candidate will unite the country not divide it. It's no surprise that Joe Biden's giving the speech today folks. It's a huge advantage for him. Sixty one percents said Biden will unite the country only thirty three percent in the poll say trump would unite the country and not divided and it's an advantage that Biden is clearly pressing today. And finally today. Joe Biden is bringing out the big guns rolling out a twenty three minute closing argument video from former first. Lady Michelle Obama you remember she had one of the most well received speeches at the Democratic National Convention this summer this is her building on that speech. This is her plea to voters to get serious to make a plan to vote to execute on that plan to vote. You cannot sit on your hands that you cannot vote for protests candidate she sort of setting the. Stakes for this election both for the country but also personally through her eyes through her experience why the stakes are so high you she's one of the most popular figures in the country one of the most popular Democrats by far. But even more broadly than Democrats and making sure that African Americans vote that women are out there voting. This is her key demographics that Joe Biden needs as energized as possible in order to win this election Michelle Obama is making the case directly to them. I want everyone who is still undecided to think about all those folks like me and my ancestors, the millions of folks who look like me and fought and died and toiled as slaves and soldiers and laborers to help build this country, imagine how it feels to wake up every day. And do your very best to uphold the values that this country claims to hold. Dear. Truth. Honor. Decency. Only to have those efforts met by scorn. Just, by your fellow citizens. By a sitting president. Former first lady Michelle Obama in her closing argument for. Joe. Biden. That's it for today's political briefing. Thanks so much for listening. We'll talk to you tomorrow.
Jeff Utsch on how differences of opinion does not make you a racist!
"Most, cash offer companies pay cash for homes have stopped providing cash offers. So if you need a cash offer on your home and need a quick sale call Carol Royse right now Carol Royse with Keller Williams. Realty East Valley Your valley-wide team is still offering great cash offers to homeowners who need them don't hesitate call Carol Royse Right now at eight Oh, seven, seven, six, fifty to thirty one or go to Carol has the cash offers dot com that's carol as the cash offers dot com you're listening. To the conservative circus I am your ringmaster James t here's one of the ways that the left. Is Full Minting violence. Is the with the use of the race. Card. It used to be somewhat laughable. When I was caught. He Black White supremacists now is that's being pushed out there. That you could end up getting a castigated beat up for this whole race card. which has been breathed new life through black lives matter. Is a real problem and I think as is is at the center of a lot of the violence or maybe not the center, the center, the Violence Marxist ideology, but they're deathly using race to advance this. and to up surly. So absurd, you have white folks out now. Going against folks because they won't say black lives matter literally attacking. In the center ring of the Conservative Circus, we have jeff which he is a destructor at the center ship at leadership at Freedom Center in Gettysburg Pennsylvania. He also is my partner in the constitutional conversations. He has a piece of that appears in Arizona daily independence differences of opinion don't make you a racist the very bold piece, a jeff which, and I'm surprised that you wrote this. You know seeing that you're an American of European descent you have done stand you're going to be labeled as a racist. Well James T. I think the fear of being labeled out silences marginalized. It's quiets many who would speak out. But because of the false narratives of the left basically saying you know look if you don't buy what we're selling. If, you don't buy what Black Matte black lives matters is selling. If you don't believe you have white privilege if you don't believe you are responsible for slavery. But the color of your skin does matter. You know this is gone you know hundred and eighty degrees flip-flop. If, you're white, you are responsible somehow if you're against reparations. If you don't buy into, you know your listeners will probably heard of the sixteen nineteen project trying to rewrite American history would just complete falsehoods. If you don't believe the police really are bad. If, you don't believe that we are SIS systemically racist as a country. If you don't WanNa tear down monuments James T are used today standards to judge the past. If you're against the riots violence, you know for protecting private property. If you're not for these things James, I've seen all those things used against people to say what you you must be racist, and what it is doing is making the correct side impotent in many ways. Would you agree I would agree with you and I think it's not only does it make the correct side impotent but it opens up. The door to violence because there's no pushback and because it seems like our elected officials in our corporations even had been sucked into this. Now you have some of the radicals on the left wrapping it up even further and it's leading to outright violence. Well absolutely and this is why doing some introspection thinking look. Racist is it something? You know because I don't believe in this people are accusing me of this. It's gotTa have people questioning themselves in really you know in the piece I ended with you know if we go back to Christ's teachings. that. If you believe in that, how can you believe that we are all created in God's image James t? That we're all sons and daughters of God that he loves us all the same. That he's no respecter of persons. It doesn't matter if your talents or your race color creed that we're all his children if you really believe that in your heart, then how can you be racist? Just because you have a difference of opinion. that. If we don't think our lives are any more important than anybody else's and we believe that James T and we really have to go back to those teachings. I think what is the fundamental and that gets me competence to say, no, I am not a racist it's a difference of opinion. and. You know I have a hard time with people that are forcing this down my throat. In and then being understanding. So you can almost flip it and I think having that confidence James t brings back the power brings back the potency and will help encourage people to. To speak out and not stay silent the the thing I appreciated about your piece differences of opinion, don't make you a racist is that when you take it down to a biblical scriptural perspective, what it does is it exposes the opposition as being Marxist in their ideology and the only way you can be drawn into that I mean you can have a visceral reaction against and even if you're not a believer, you can still re- to these things you can ask yourself the question. Did I believe that America has a substantial progress has made progress in living up to his ideals we'll. We'll. Yeah I. Think it at then you can't be a racist. So. It's like even if you're not a believer, there are still questions you can ask yourself to ascertain whether or not. You are what the Marxist and B. L. Limb Antiga are accusing you of, but if you've come to the conclusion. That, you're not how do you push back against the mob? Well. I think it starts with speaking out and not being afraid. it starts off with with being confident in your position and understanding. As you said, it is a Marxist philosophy to. Conquer and instead of using only class struggles there. Now implementing race, they're doing everything they can to Divi- divide so they can conquer and we need to build on common ground. I. Mean. That's what true patriots due to unify to do the right thing and also we also know by the fruits you know ye shall know them and what is coming out of there. Really diabolical preaching is not a good thing for America I think that's pretty easy to see. We've really gotta be careful how we make decisions and move forward James D and and and what we're trying. To, do is just wipe the windshield, get the fog off. So we can see clearer most cash offer companies who pay cash for homes have stopped providing cash offers. 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Jeff Utsch on the latest SCOTUS decisions and what changes will be impacted across the country.
"You are listening to the conservative circus. I am your ringmaster James. T Harris, we had to supreme court. Give a couple of decisions. Is Funny because you. We didn't hear a whole lot from the media on these decisions. Usually, if something that benefits to laugh, we hear a lot of it, but that doesn't necessarily mean we should be cheering. Here. We are once again late. June early July waiting for these folks in the black robes. Tell us how we're supposed to be living our lives. They help us understand what the Supreme Court is doing in the ring. We Have Jeff let's. He is an instructor at the leadership and freedom. Center in Gettysburg Pennsylvania. He's also my partner with the constitutional conversation, a podcast that you can download from the iheartradio APP and Jeff. What did you think about the decisions from the High Court yesterday? Well, this comes under the title James T of even a blind squirrel can find an egg corn every so often. I. You know I'll give you an example of this you know the faithless voter case, which basically is can electoral college electees in the state, so for president, the states and we have an election of the states in four forty, seven of the fifty states We have so many electoral college per state. You know the number of congressmen and senators and and We get that number of electoral college. Then we as a whole take that and vote for the candidate. For President instead of directly from the people and do these electoral college representatives have the ability to vote for somebody else other than they've pledged to vote war. And if they do that, is there a penalty? So this case had become ten a state. Impose a penalty because we had three electoral college members in Washington the State of Washington vote, they pledged to vote the Democratic ticket and they didn't vote for Hillary Clinton. They voted for somebody else. The state wanted to impose a penalty and the Supreme Court took this up because there was some arguments in the lower courts, but let me go to article two. This is very simple because in our Constitution James, P. States have a lot of power to decide how voting takes place in their own states as long as it doesn't. A break the Fourteenth Amendment or the twenty four th amendment in other words, the twenty fourth amendment was passed to say you can't have poll taxes anymore. You can't have these tests for people that want to come in and vote in the fourteenth amendment can't break people's equal protection clause, but in the first section of article two regarding the powers of the president it it basically says it does basically says it does say each state shall appoint in such manner as the legislature there of May direct. It's talking about electors for the Electoral College. So, in my opinion, this could have been very simple. They could have referred to article two section one which they do, and then case over, but of course we have a thirty three page opinion written by Associated Justice Kagan, by the way I thought it was Santa my your. There was a ping. It was Kagan. Yes. So you can kind of see that this is a fairly simple one in my opinion, and should have been easy to see and white had to go to this point James T it is a win, but it's more like a touchback or field goal rather than a touchdown, because this one is really simple, but it was not I, think there was one justice that recused herself, or maybe Kagan are sodomy or one just right, recuse herself. Guess. Maybe she knew somebody who was litigating, but yeah, it was unanimous outside of that, but I think words important, Jeff. Which is that I? Mean I remember the Hollywood set? To president trump was elected. The Hollywood said there was a huge campaign for the. To go in there and vote with the popular vote, instead of know following the state guidelines, and you had a couple of people who did the fact, so it's a shamed that this had to find his way our way to the supreme. Court, but it is kind of encouraging is an odd that you had a unanimous decision on on upholding the Toro College and the Constitution. It is, it is a good thing. James T. we have to take the victories when we can get them to simplify especially because of the recent rulings in the past few weeks on the civil, rights act right Daca with completely crazy won't do some podcasts on those. I do Kinda understand you're coming from. This was a touch. This was a field on the one yard line where we still had a couple of dowse got. This. This shouldn't have been questioned. They also yesterday. had a ruling out on these Robo calls is you know? Basically that case James T. Capital wrote the majority opinion. It was a six to three opinion and Kansas government. You know because nobody wants. Robo calls to their cell phones. That's pretty universal is at law constitutional, and can the government carve out? No Robo calls except it's A. It's a an agency trying to collect a government debt. and. What happened was these other amputees mostly, he had the American, Association of Political Consultants joined with some other saying. Hey, hey got to carve out. We want to have the ability to do this to. This isn't fair. And so they sued saying it's unconstitutional, but in the end. What happened is Capital wrote in the majority. Yes, you can't single out just. The government has a right to do this. Just throwing everybody else out. There's a lot of other technical arguments in there, but instead of just being left alone where the government can do robocalls now nobody is supposed to. This yeah, there was some dissenting votes. Gorsuch in there said you know he's got some opinions. He agreed and disagreed at the same time. saying you know this. Is All unconstitutional but Culture matters and he didn't say this. In my opinion, culture matters if all those people wanted then, that's probably what's going to happen.
7.3.20 Washington Wednesday, Footsteps of St. Peter, and Gettysburg
"The world and everything in it is made possible by listeners like us. Hi, I'm Gary Chanel from Alfred Georgia? My wife and I are very proud of our daughter Virginia. She is a graduating senior. An incoming freshman at Patrick Henry College. Congratulations Virginia Lee. We'd love you. We hope you enjoy today's program. Good Morning. The Supreme Court dealt pro-lifers a disappointing blow this week. We'll talk about what it might mean for the movement going forward. That's ahead on Culture Friday. Also the second installment in a BBC documentary series about leaders in the early church this week. It's the Apostle Peter Stern plus a visit to Gettysburg to remember little battle and the civil war, if we look at the adversity and the turmoil that our ancestors overcame, we can find in this lessons that can help give us a way to move forward in time that we would also claim can be tumultuous. It's Friday July third. This is the world and everything in it from listener supported. World Radio I'm Megan. Basham and I'm Marina Brown. Up Next Kent Covington has the news. New, jobs numbers show that the US economy continued to bounce back in June. The economy added four point eight million jobs, a record gain with mashed expectations of just under three million jobs president trump on Thursday touted the recovery and said the economy is roaring back. Eighty percent of small businesses are now open. New Business applications have doubled since late March, but while unemployment is down at remains high at about eleven, percent and trump presidential rival Joe Biden on Thursday said he was very happy for the millions who returned to work, but there is one number that I was stunned that the president didn't mention even once the process and the entire time he talked about. The number was fifty thousand. Yesterday the number of new COVID, nineteen cases in America topped Fifty Thousand Single Day. The positive jobs numbers were compiled during the second week of June. Just before, many states began to pause or backtrack on reopenings. And, Corona virus cases are now rising and forty of the fifty states, thirty six states are also seeing an increase in the percentage of positive tests. Florida's set a daily record, Thursday, reporting more than ten thousand new cases speaking in the Tampa area yesterday governor Ron. Santa's said the numbers suggest younger Floridians are fueling the spread of the virus. You go back a month. The median age of our cases was in the fifties. now the median age of the case here in Hillsborough County for the entire pandemic has dropped to thirty four, and they'll be days where we'll get cases in Hillsborough County and the median age will be under thirty. And Colorado Governor Jared police shares the same concern is state is the latest to shutdown bars and nightclubs are uptake like be major spice in other states is largely among younger demographic and I think it is partially attributable to the bars and nightclubs, and also potentially two large public gatherings in the protest movement, so we've seen outside. And Texas Governor Greg Abbott issued an order Thursday requiring face masks in public spaces, and nearly every county in the state health officials say Americans not wearing masks or social distancing states have reopened is largely to blame for covid nineteen resurgence. Lawmakers on Capitol Hill including some notable Republicans are pushing back against president trump's plans to drastically cut the US troops presence in Germany world's Kristen Flab and has more. About thirty five thousand US troops are now stationed in Germany the president's plan would cut that number by nearly ten thousand but GOP, senator, Mitt. Romney is among the lawmakers worried that the withdrawal would weaken the security of NATO allies and Romney said the move would be a gift to Russia. He's pushing an amendment to the military spending bill for the next fiscal year. That would block the use of. Of Funds to move troops from Germany, that is unless the defense secretary can vouch for the move mark expert would have to certify that it would not weaken. NATO's defence hurt the US military's global objectives or lead to big redeployment costs down the road and the GOP's ranking member of the house. Armed Services Committee Mac Thornberry said his committee would approve a similar measure reporting for world I'm Kristen Flahavan? In Iran? A fire and an explosion struck centrifuge production plant above an underground nuclear enrichment facility on Thursday the Natanz. Nuclear facility is one of the most tightly guarded sites in the country after earlier acts of sabotage their. Iran downplayed the fire, calling it an incident that only affected an under construction industrial shed, but Iran's state run news agency published a commentary addressing the possibility of sabotage by enemy nations such as Israel and the United States. Authorities in New Hampshire have arrested a close associate of Jeffrey abstain acting US attorney. Outreach Strauss made the announcement. Thursday today announced charges against Glean Maxwell for helping Jeffrey Epstein sexually exploited an abuse multiple. Girls from the period of nineteen, ninety, four through one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety seven. Prosecutors say the fifty eight year old British socialite helped recruit three girls for sexual encounters with the now deceased billionaire one as young as fourteen. Epstein killed himself in a federal detention center in New York last year while awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges. Strauss called the charges against maxwell a Prequel to charges. Prosecutors brought against Epstein a year ago. Kent Covington and straight ahead taking stock of the pro-life Movement after a Supreme Court setback plus a special performance of the national anthem. This is the world and everything in it. It's Friday the third of June twenty twenty. Glad to have you along for today's edition of the world and everything in it. Good Morning I'm Ernie Blount and Meghan Basham. On Monday, the Supreme Court blocked Louisiana Abortion Law from taking effect that would have required abortion businesses to have admitting privileges at a hospital within thirty miles, something often required in the case of other minor surgeries like colonoscopies or laser eye surgeries, so really a very reasonable precaution, but in a five four decision chief justice. John, Roberts once again joined the liberal majority to prevent even this slight obstacle to ending and unborn babies life. Many court watchers were surprised because Roberts's reasoning in this case stood in direct opposition to his descent on a similar Texas case only four years ago. Here's C. N. N.'s legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin, speculating on what this means for the pro-life caused going forward. Is going on with John Roberts I'm John. Roberts has sided with the liberals now in three of the biggest cases of the year, so it is a major decision. It is a major message that Chief Justice Roberts may not be who we thought he was well. It's culture, Friday and time now to welcome. John Stonestreet President of the Colson Center for Christian worldview John Good Morning Good Morning, so John a lot of Christians applauded. President Trump's conservative appointments to the supreme. Supreme Court over the last few weeks. The applause has been replaced with hetty size of disappointment. Even words like betrayal are being used so my question is, does that kind of response suggest what Psalm thirty three sixteen warns us about The king is not saved by his great army. A warrior is not delivered by his great strength in other words are Christians putting too much faith in having the right person in the right role rather than faith in God. You know I think that's probably true. Some Christians I think we kind of think that there's a political solution or political appointees solution in this case to our problems, but you know I think that we're rightly disappointed. Rightly disappointed in. We should demand more I. think that this. Analogy that keeps coming up of Lucy. Holding the football for Charlie Brown is an APP one. What we're told when it comes to. Elections, is that Supreme Court? Nominations matter and make no mistake they do matter, and they matter a lot and I think you know I, don't think anyone is under the illusion that the case would've been decided differently. Had President Clinton or something like that, but in the office, and not only that one, but so many other cases But I! Do think it underscores especially the way this particular decision was written in which a state level legislation that was different, looking legislation when applied on the ground, in Louisiana than it would have been in Texas where it was earlier short down earlier. Was a state by state sort of approach to the issue of abortion, which is one of the best innovations of the pro-life movement now for quite a while and I think that can discourage the state by state movement. The state by State Movement, the the the work on the ground the pregnancy resource centers. Reaching out and finding ways to connect with abortion minded women on the ground There's never going to be a national solution for the sort of. Person to person love and care and ministry that needs to happen when it comes to women who find themselves in vulnerable situations and unexpected pregnancies, and so on so th. That's what can't go way. It's never going to be the Supreme Court and nothing else. It's only going to be the Supreme Court. Because of everything else that has been done and the Supreme Court is going to be kind of a Cherry on top of a culture that's already decided that abortion is is an unthinkable thing like slavery or some other great evil in the past. You know John Izhak conservative. Writer David French cautioning against discouragement, and he argued pro-lifers are actually winning on the cultural front. He cited some statistics from the GUT macher. That showed that the abortion rate in the US is now lower than it was in nineteen seventy-three the year. That Roe v Wade was decided, but you know, of course the Gut Marker Institute is affiliated with Planned Parenthood and their data likely doesn't include abortive fashion so grain of salt there. What's your take on where the pro-life Movement stands now? You know I like David a lot he was. He's been optimistic or more optimistic than the rest of us. All the Supreme Court decisions in this storm that have been so negative. I think he's wrong. Unfortunately I think the pro-life movement has been tremendous, and I think the innovation that we have seen. I think the the technological innovation in terms of reaching through Internet searches, and so on to abortion minded women. I think going medical I think being combined with post. Abortive care think there are all kinds of things. That show that the pro-life movement is changing hearts and minds I. Don't think that that we've persuaded hearts and minds because I think this statistics still tell us that while more millennials and younger Americans don't personally like abortion. They're also full-blown moral relativists, and we don't actually solve this problem until we think that abortion is just flat out wrong, not wrong for me, but not for you not wrong for me, but I'm not sure we should legislate morality, but just flat out wrong, and that's going to require a lot more work, even than the very important work of just loving on women who are in crisis, pregnancies is important as that is. So John Turning to another subject. I've really been looking forward to catching up with you to ask about something I know I could use some clarity on I'm guessing others out there could to. It's removing statues and renaming things. I think on the one hand. Most people feel good about Mississippi deciding to remove the confederate symbol from their flag. If a private university like Princeton decides to remove Woodrow Wilson's name from its public policy school. Sure why not up to them, but what about museums, taking down Teddy Roosevelt statues or some news? That just broke today. The Boston Art Commission, voting unanimously to take down the Lincoln Emancipation Memorial A. A monument that Frederick Douglass dedicated, which are the principles be when thinking through this business of renaming and removing things well. I don't think we can get the principles yet because you can't make these decisions unless you know your history in other words without a fundamental knowledge of the narrative, the and I don't mean to the reconstructed narrative of the left or the ride or something like that I mean just basic civic education one. That's not. Not, whitewashed, as it has been also one, that's not just you know subject to this ridiculous notion that somehow we're morally evolved pass. Those who have gone before I mean there's a complete loss of what the American story was all about in through those new lenses. We're now trying to make a really hard decision like who's a good guy and who is a bad guy throughout history, and does this that you connote some sort of? Of superiority like we know that some of the confederate statues were intended to do during the Jim, Crow era, or these actually talking about history, and telling us a an important part of our story, you know it's the same thing by the way with being a Christian if we don't know what a human being is if we don't know what creates us what gives us inherent dignity as created and the common humanity and the common fallen. All share in our humanity, then we're gonNA draw these artificial lines of good guys and bad guys, and it's not gonNa make any sense, and and and this clearly doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and how we're preceding the because by the way I mean the line that we're seeing most commonly drawn Who have lost their story is the good guy bad guideline. I'm on the you know the good guy. You're the bad guy. I would have been on the right side of history. I'm on the right side of history now you're on the wrong side of history. It's a bit of historical arrogance. What did a CS Lewis called it chronological snobbery? At Work here because there's not a frame of reference, there's not a framework by which to approach these questions at all, but let me. Can I follow up real quick John. You know as I hear you talking about this good guy, bad guy line, and and just Megan's question made me think of something that i. read not too long ago. a group of realtors. They WANNA get rid. Rid of the word master in their real estate listings, so instead of saying master, bedroom or master bathroom they wanna say primary bedroom, and of course the reason they say it carries a connotation to slavery and slave masters. Do you make of that I mean? Is that going too far? When you think about being the good guys, the bad guys I don't know. What do you think? Listen I. Don't think it's going too far. I actually think it's going nowhere. We've been told that now for several weeks. We gotta do something. You don't always have to do something especially, if doing something is doing nothing, we need to do the right thing. If you don't have the right principles. You'RE NOT GONNA. Know what to do, and so you just GonNa do stuff like this, which is like seriously? What's I? Guess I might be missing something but I don't see the point. Well John Stonestreet is president of the Colson. Center for Christian worldview John Thanks as always for being here. Much! These days if you don't speak a second language, no problem just whip out your phone and use any one of the dozens up translation. APPS now available or just navigate to Google translate, you'll find at least a rough real time translation for any relatively common language on earth. Except for one sign language there hasn't been a way to translate sign language into spoken word in real time while until now. Scientists at the University of California. Los Angeles say they engineered a special glove that will translate hand signs, they say the Glove has an intricate series of sensors that identify a word letter or phrase in American sign language it then since that translation into a smartphone APP, which reads it out loud. UCLA lead researcher John Chen said our hope is that this opens up an easy way for people who use sign language to communicate directly with non-signers without meeting. Someone else to translate for them I call that eliminating the middleman. It's the world and everything. Today is Friday. July third. Thank you for turning to world radio to help. Start Your Day. Good Morning I'm Myrna Brown and I Megan Basham, coming next on the world and everything in it, the second installment of a documentary about the men who knew Jesus best. I'm David Suchet. And I'm in search of one of the most puzzling characters in history. Simple first century, fishermen, who somehow became the founding father of the most powerful Christian church on Earth. Look at A. We, know him as Saint Peter. Think of actor David Suchet as a sort of Christian Rick Steves with Twenty fifteen documentary in the footsteps of Saint, Peter. He guides US cheerily along the highways of the apostles life, hitting major points recounted in the New Testament. He also takes us down. Intriguing little byways based more on tradition in theory along the way he may stop now, and then to sample a local delicacy like fried to lobbyists sold in Galileo parts as peters, fish, or to admire particularly lovely eleven century fresco. In other words, it's a lot more fun than your average. Take your medicine educational documentary. A. Lot more likely to leave you with an urge book plane tickets. Around me, all around me is a group from Brazil. They'll very fired up and photographing themselves for the family home. The excitement and enthusiasm of these modern Christian is perhaps captured something of the mood of two thousand years ago. The film blessedly avoids any Cheesy reenactments of men in sandals, clashing with other men in Tin Helmets. But suchet is best known for playing Agatha. Christie's Belgian detective Urculo. You'll Poirot, so we can't resist hamming it up in high thespian style now and then. But that's all part of the charm. We not only hear from experts on the theological significance of certain details of Peter's life. We experienced suchet's delights. For example casting nets with Galileo and fishermen. is a kind of life. From the modern winches, and all that sort of thing I'm doing what some pizza would have done and his brother Andrew and Jason John. I'm touching a little bit of history like its predecessor in the footsteps of Saint, Paul in the footsteps of Saint Peter was produced as a mainstream BBC production. So that means it doesn't proselytize. Suchet wrote of the film and a UK paper. I'm not trying to evangelize. I'm just trying to bring people. One of the most extraordinary men that ever lived and yet suchet's faith does shine through when he exclaims and pleasure at how different scholarly Jewish debates are from the kinds of Bible Studies. He attends secular audiences may find themselves intrigued to learn more about these gatherings. Yeah. Has Really. Told me one thing. And that is that this is nothing like a Bible. Study Group would be in England. I've seen anything like this I've never seen anything so passionate. Even more impressive. The experts suchet consults. None of them actively undermine biblical narratives as we've seen before with similar history channel, National Geographic documentaries a few like king's College London history. Professor Joan Taylor even subtly bolster the Bible. Taylor straightforwardly explained that she doesn't believe Christianity would have been possible without miraculous acts, and it says that among the works of the Messiah the Messiah would heal the blind raise up those who about down raise the dead and preached the good news so Jesus was doing this proving that he had the power that was expected of a Messiah Longtime. Believers will likely find the second episode more engaging than the first as it leaves the well worn. Particulars of Peter's life described in the New Testament and moves into cautious speculation like where and when he might have traveled in Turkey planting new churches. Now that said some Christians are likely to take issue with few moments like here. Where Suchet speculates about the age of the Capitol and mountains, there are some places on this earth quite seem to belong here. They're like fragments of Alien Planet. The whole region around Gorham in Turkish capital care is just one of those places. It's the most extraordinary landscape shaped by volcanic activity for the past ten million years overall, though suchet makes such an amiable guide and good faith effort to shed light on the Apostle Peter's life. Few are likely to regret having followed along in his footsteps. Additional support comes from the makers of the Illuminate Bible series deep discipleship for your. Children's Daily. Needs Union Gospel Press Dot Com. Next up remembering the pivotal moment of the civil war today July third mark the end of the three day battle of Gettysburg in eighteen, sixty three. While the civil war lasted two more years Gettysburg was defining moment of the conflict as the Union army repelled a confederate incursion into Pennsylvania. The two sides suffered a combined fifty one thousand casualties in two thousand thirteen at the One hundred fiftieth anniversary of the battle managing editor. JC Derek produced this short piece on the thousands gathered there to reenact and remember. July first second third of eighteen, sixty three are three of the most pivotal days in us. History as a confederate and union armies clashed in Gettysburg Pennsylvania. It would be the defining battle of the civil war last year. More than one point, one million tourists visited Gettysburg National Military Park where to American armies combined for more than fifty one thousand casualties on Wednesday tens of thousands of people from around the world, gathered to recreate Pickett's charge to climactic moment of the three day battle, exactly one hundred and fifty years after it happened. Morning Rain gave way to partly sunny skies is the charge took place? Thousands of civilians were lined into nine brigades in at three PM began the nearly one mile uphill hike to where a sea of humanity stood representing union troops. Citizen. Soldiers broke through war era fence boundaries just as confederate Major General George Pickett's men did on similar terrain in eighteen, sixty three. This was a highly costly battle. The ground you came across a strewn with the dead and wounded from the Prior Brigade and you've made it this far you. A recreation of Pickett's charge was unprecedented in the park's History Park Rangers chose not to have a commemoration event on the battlefield, nineteen, eighty-eight for the one hundred and twenty-fifth anniversary, but. Katie Lan said thousands showed up anyway for an unofficial event. re-enactors wanted to recreate Pickett's charge so this rogue event in about five thousand people went to it so this year we decided we needed to get our arms around Pickett's charge, and we decided to create this event that all of the public could participate in instead of the traditional. Public stand around the edges and watches. Someone else do it. I made my way through the Union camp I stumbled upon seventy-four-year-old. John Grant Griffiths, who has been reenacting civil war battles since nineteen fifty-six, and happens to be the great great grandson of Union General and future US President Ulysses s grant. He was my great great grandfather on my mother's side. I have three and Cheshire's score in the federal army during the war. Now they're all this time. They're all with the Federal Army as Tennessee which grant commanded and the other two were. Well one listen assistant surgeon in. A private. Another man playing a union soldier, Eric Mueller traveled all the way from Hawaii for the week-long commemoration I'm out here today. As a member of the Hawaii Roundtable sort of spreading the Gospel, if you will of the Hawaiians at ended up, getting roped up into the US of war. Of, which there were at least three here, Gettysburg Mueller said it's important for Americans not to forget what happened at Gettysburg if we look at the adversity. And the turmoil that our assessors overcame we can find in this strength. We can find in this wisdom, and we can find this lessons that can help give us. The strength gives the path and gives us a way to move forward in time that we would also claim can be tumultuous. A. Mom. Off. Reporting from Gettysburg Pennsylvania. To the. To. A Today is Friday. June third good morning. This is the world and everything in it from listener supported world radio I'm Megan Basham. And Earn Brown earlier this year. vocalist Caroline Nielson accepted an invitation to sing the National Anthem before Major League Baseball game. That game was supposed to take place on May twenty seventh between the Texas Rangers and the Washington nationals. But the MLB season still hasn't started after last week's baseball commentary from Marvin. laskey listener. Caroline Nielsen wrote to Marvin about her daughter's missed opportunity, so he offered a consolation prize chance to sing the national anthem for us in celebration of this weekend's Independence Day and good news. She accepted so here's caroline. Nielsen a doctoral student in vocal performance at the New England Conservatory in Boston singing, the Star spangled banner. Oh. I. See. What's? Who is broad stroke? It's. Off. A. Game. US. Oh. Oh. It takes a lot of people to put this program together each week. Thanks so much. Dr Team Joe Bells Ryan Bamberger Paul. Butler can't Comington Nick. Eicher, Kristen Flavin Anna, Joe Hansen, Lee Jones Jill Nelson trillion new Bel Bani Frigid, Mary Reichardt, Sarah, Shrines Bird and Cal Thomas, the guys who stay up late to get the program to you early, our audio engineers Carl peace and Johnny Franklin. JC DEREK IS Managing Editor Marvin Alaska is editor in chief and you without you. None of this happens. Visions commands us be kind to one another tenderhearted forgiving one another as God in Christ per game you. Have a great weekend.
Jeff Utsch on President Trump wanting to use the military to stop the riots. Can he do it Constitutionally?
"You are listening to the conservative circus. I M your ringmaster James T, Harris yesterday the president. Called on the state governors. To get serious and to curtail the violence to put down. It was telling them not to be week that they have to take action, and they have to be strong otherwise. They're going to get rolled. And he said if they don't protect the citizens that he's going to come in and he's going to come in with the military. Jeff Coach is an instructor at the leadership and Freedom Center in Gettysburg Pennsylvania. He is also our our guru. When it comes to constitutional issues. He's in my partner with the constitutional conversations that you can podcast. You can listen on pockets. Download the free iheartradio APP and Jeff. I want to ask you. This action at the president is threatening to take many people on the left says he's trying to be a dictator. Many people on the left said that it is not constitutional wanted to check in with you. to to get your assessment of the president's speech yesterday and this action that may be taken. James T good to be with you. Well, you know I. It was a short speech short and sweet. What I did like about it is. He mentioned liberty in law. And I like that even in one of our songs, you know we have liberty and law in the rule of ause very important, and it's kind of a shame that we saw states around the country, exceeding their laws by the powers that the governor's took. with many you know shutdown orders that I think were unconstitutional at the state and federal level, but then all of a sudden we see a reverse with states and local authorities, not enforcing the law. So you see this kind of seesaw effect, and what's the consequence is that we do not have liberty, because we're not following the law so I really liked that about his speech, and then when he did mention, he said he's going to strongly suggest to the governor's that they call up the National Guard and that is the first step I mean look in the Constitution Article Four, section, or it says the United States. She'll guarantee to every state in this union, a Republican form of government and show protect each of them against invasion. And on application of the legislature or of the executive, when the legislature copy convenient gets domestic violence, so the first step James T is that the governor or local authorities should call you. Know would request the federal government before the federal government imposes themselves. I would strongly recommend president trump do that, but there are precedents that presidents have used or Congress has used to send in troops from the federal level of because things weren't going right in the states. Let me ask you. Let me interrupt you because. You. Just suggested is a lot of folks were upset with the president. George W Bush when Katrina hit the outcome, the federal government's not move again to Louisiana well. That was because the governor didn't invite, president. Trump in in federal help for him to go in without that invitation without that request would have been unconstitutional. That's what that's an example which we're talking about right. Well absolutely. Yes, on something like that and natural disaster. The governor is supposed to invite the federal government in or it's. It is semi looked at as an invasion. You know now. It has been done in the past, but that is the first step. Unless it's extremely extenuating circumstances where things are out of control in one of those times was reconstruction in the south. We know that federal troops were in the South four nine ten years well, even longer than that really eighteen seventy seven, so they were, they came out after the war was ended, and then they moved back in, but the reconstruction in the south in this had to do civil rights that had to make sure that the Civil Rights Act was being followed and that the you know of. Violence against blacks was curtailed and that the rule of law could exist. We also saw that. James T with Eisenhower using the National Guard remember in Arkansas the governor in nineteen, Fifty, seven, using the National Guard to keep blacks out of a school, but then Eisenhower said no, we're GONNA federalize those National Guard and send in one thousand, one, hundred first Airborne Division troops without the permission of the governor as a matter of fact with the governor against that so I. Haven't had you know in enforcing a supreme court decision said we're GONNA. Bring rule to this, and then we also saw other presidents James P because of civil rights actions in the sixties. Do the same thing. So this is not unprecedented as the left is trying to say these. this would be the president taking on dictatorial powers. Not Unprecedented, but I sure would not recommend it. You know if he can work with the state governors in offering this and then call in it. Or highly recommended. They call up the National Guard. Where where needed it would be better to do and only extreme, extenuating circumstances do otherwise and so you know he did a good job. I thought on the short talk, but then when he walked over to Saint John's Church. James T. I think he could have used that photo. Op and opportunity to speak a little bit more to try to heal the nation and I do think it was. Was a good photo. OP. I think some UN you know spoken. Words were hurt anyway, but I think with him holding up the Bible there he could have gotten into look if we were to rely more on this the Bible in the teachings in it. We wouldn't be in the place that we're in right now. And so I think he did a good job, but I think there's some more things the president could step up and do. I have to agree. I thought the I thought the walk across the park to the was. was a boss moment, but then when he got to the church I to expect it for him to say something, say something more. He's conversation. We had the other day about know-how to truly he'll racism in our country, but that wasn't part of the agenda guessing well, maybe another time. Absolutely but you know I think he could still do it, but you know if he would raise the Bible up and and say something like if we were to love each other as we're suppose to, as you know taught in this book, and to love God and loving, God means knowing and obeying his commandments, and he gave me a couple. Say Look, we're all. Not? Perfect doing the right things, but we've got to do better and try better better and leaving God out of the discussion and kind of abandoning his teachings is one of the reasons we're in the problems that we have and racism would not be even a problem today if we understood that we're all God's children, and to treat each other accordingly I think he could on a long ways and just a short message there James T.
"We've Needed Something to Bring Us Together"
"We've needed something that bring us together. You know so badly and everyone is just looking up and smiling at each other and you know it's like like we've needed a little bit of a reminder that the universe is bigger than us. Hey everybody it's wade and that was tomorrow. Avi shy who of course you all know as one of my co founders at hub-and-spoke and as the host of the lonely pallet podcast and as one of the stars of an episode. I made back in two thousand seventeen called shadows of august. This episodes coming to you on january twentieth. Twenty twenty one day. A lot of us have been longing for for a very long. Time and honor inauguration of joseph biden. I wanted to put an episode in the feed. That captures my complex emotions on a day like today when i started putting the show together back in two thousand sixteen before the previous presidential election i had no idea it would wind up being in some ways. It kind of chronicle of the trump ears this was gonna be about the future. You wanted to being a show about us really about how we think about politics and democracy and how we wanna live together and sort of by accident. A lot of those teams swanned up turning up in this episode which climaxes with the big solar eclipse of august of twenty seventeen. I think this is my favorite episode of the show ever actually and it just felt like the one i wanted to put back in your ears on a day like today so please enjoy shadows of august. I'm wade and this is soon. It's start of a new season for the show and to kick things off we've got a new motto. The future is shaped by technology but technology is shaped by us So what do i mean by that. Well when people find out. I'm at technology journalists. They always ask me. What's up with drones or self driving cars or ai. Or augmented reality. They've read the news and they know that these new technologies could really change the way. The world looks in the near future but they feel powerless. Mike happening outside their control. And i don't believe that's true. Technological change isn't something that just happens to us. It's like every other kind of historical change. When you look closely you see that it often starts with a disruptive idea from a scientist or an inventor where company but then it's shaped by thousands of big and small choices made by individuals. Like you and me. So it's important to understand where technology ideas really come from and how we decide to start using them or stop using them. Once we grasp that we can see each choice in the matter and then we can be a little more intentional about the kind of future rebuilding together. That's what the show is about most of the time anyway. That's the sound of a crowd in illinois watching the total solar eclipse that swept across the us on august twenty first. I was in that crowd and for me. Witnessing my first total eclipse shook me to my very core. I thought i knew what to expect. I mean i'd studied the strana me. And i'd seen videos in maps and simulations of eclipses but it turned out. I had no freaking idea how stunning the actual eclipse would be. I've never seen anything so alien and so beautiful so unsettling but also in a way so unifying Obviously it's been a europe disasters here in america not just natural disasters like hurricane but also moral and political disasters like the conflict in charlottesville and the trump administration's ongoing campaign to purge the republic of all decency truth compassion but the eclipse was a respite from all that. If only for a couple of minutes and for me it was the emotional highpoint of a week. Long road trip across america. I kept the kind of audio diary of the trip and today i wanna play tape that i gathered at three very different stops on that journey. I'm going to tell these stories in reverse order. That's partly because they just make more sense that way. But i'm also taking inspiration from assign that i saw at the patterson bill service plaza on the new york state. Thruway one of the restrooms at the patterson ville stop was closed and somebody had put up a handmade sign that said temporarily out of order. I had to laugh because the signs sounded like a title. That philip k dick would give to a science fiction story about a time travel experiment gone haywire anyway. Today's episode is going to be temporarily out of order seeing the eclipse in illinois was actually the first big event trip. But i'm going to tell that story last and before we get there. I'm going to take you to the spot that has more confederate monuments than any other place in america. A hint for you. It's not in the south. And i'm going to visit a town whose very name stands for hope and the future. But it's a place. That's now so depopulated that it has its own entry on a site called the encyclopedia of forlorn places. I said before that it's important for us to think more intentionally about the future right now. We're having a lot of trouble coming together to do that. And as i drove across the country hitting ken states altogether. I can see one of the reasons. We haven't even settled big questions about how we should represent the past or who should have a chance to prosper. In the present. William faulkner's famous line was that the past isn't dead. It isn't even past and sometimes it feels like we have so much unfinished business that will never be able to move onto the future but then along comes something like a hurricane or an eclipse a rare natural event that reminds us that despite our divisions we're passengers on this planet together and we're all part of something much bigger so in the spirit of that epoch spelling accident on the new york state thruway. We'll start with a third of our three acts. Here's act three crossing the picket line. The battles we remember best are the turning points like saratoga waterloo. The psalm midway stalingrad. And in the american civil war the turning point was at gettysburg pennsylvania. that's where confederate general. Robert really tried to crush the union army over three bloody days of fighting on july first second third eighteen sixty three. It's where he failed and that failure was the beginning of the end for the confederate states of america. Now i have a phd in history. My dad's a huge civil war. Buff practically every book ever written on the subject. But i'd never been to gettysburg now. We had a chance to fix that. Since my route to the eclipse zone right through pennsylvania also charlottesville was on my mind on august eleventh of course white nationalists neo. Nazis gathered there to protest the removal of a statue of robert ely and the next day. One man who had marched with the white nationalists drove a car into a crowd of counter protesters and killed an activist named heather higher. So i figured it was a fitting time to visit gettysburg which has so many confederate and union monuments that you can barely turn around without bumping into one. There's probably no place where our cultural memory of the civil war is more concentrated or where the actual meaning of the work gets more excluded by the tales of bravery and slaughter on the battlefield now from watching. Ken burns documentaries. I expected to be impressed by gettysburg. And i was. The battlefields were beautifully mode and manicured and the place was so sunny and peaceful that it was hard to imagine that fifty thousand soldiers were injured or killed here in just three days. I also expected to hear people talking about all the statues and what they symbolize. And kinda did. I just got my car to look at the giant statue of robert lee at a spot called the virginia memorial when a minivan pulled up and a family of six piled out. The dad said you'd better hurry up and take a picture. They might want to tear this thing down. And the mom said yeah. Somebody might be offended. They lined up there four kids in front of the statue and snap their pictures and drove away. I didn't get a chance to ask where they were from but their minivan had connecticut plates. So make of that what you will. But here's what i didn't expect to see. I was reading a plaque about pickett's charge when a group of about forty white guys got off a bus and formed up into a platoon about eight guys wide and five guys. They're marching and coming this way. This'll be interesting station myself here while they marched by him and absolutely. Oh when the staff sergeant guy asked if i wanted to join them said yes because when you're a podcast and stuff like this happens you just go with it but then it gradually dawned on me what we're doing we were recreating pickett's charge the big confederate offensive. On the third day of gettysburg. Twelve thousand soldiers started out. Roughly where the virginia memorial is today and they marched three quarters of a mile across a hayfield for the union line on cemetery ridge taking huge casualties all the way and without knowing it i had signed up to play confederate infantryman recipe. Right all right. Just a few random not really accurate artillery hit and lost twenty guys gone down and they're your guys in this formation but twenty guys in our region three hundred guys on what we're huck the next half hour so we trampled through thick fields of pay and soybean plants and as we went. We were kicking up a big cloud of grasshoppers butterflies. If i squinted could sort of imagine that the bugs were a hail of bullets. I still didn't understand the exact point. Recreating pickett's charge unless it was to take in the insane desperation of the whole thing but as the random human. I felt like i was committed. So i kept marching who pulse range plan decline thrown lost fifty six. He just lost another ten six wounded. At this point you close ranks close in. We have random human services. Doing word was told by the time they leave tech up the rides out. Beat the minero. Go back interleague daydream. He's ryan's out. He says all my folks. My plan failed. Mike won't pose hurt. How we put his hand along. St shoulder says the same thing. Wouldn't you sneak confederates enough. Suffer to defeat loses. Mississippi river lose this one decisive battle. It was going to bring them victory. Would they fight on two more buddy years go to the wilderness campaign spots petersburg apple matters so municipality one other thing the conduct of this formation of going across that field excellent everybody's tripled followed. Harry moans sniffles talked to come in. This game made it. I'm ready for the dreaded. Knock down to money. But right now i think we can take him. Can i ask you what were you to. What is this whole thing. These are company out of various places. So they bring all their executives mid level a top level lower level at some point out to gettysburg to teach him something about leadership. The battlefield becomes a metaphor for things. They should do in their business. You know this what happens here in leadership can be directly put into what these guys do when handle business. Do you run these kinds of leadership exercises as a profession. Or what do you do. I'm an old soldier. So in a historian taught military history of west point so they just. The company asked me to come out and do this with them. Any time i get a chance to get americans out and kind of feel the courage and history of this place I take the opportunity. And your name. Sir james hank kersey. Well thank you sir. I really appreciate your time and this was a lot of fun. Thank you very few humans do that. Your character shows all right all right. Thank you getting back. yeah. I'm going back that way on my long walk back across the battlefield to my car. I had time to think about what had just happened. I was a little angry with myself to be honest for going along with the whole thing even if it was in the name of journalism the other guys in the platoon didn't look like racists and i can buy the idea that the march was designed to teach about leadership not to glorify george pickett or robert e lee or the lost southern 'cause but the truth is if i were black. I probably wouldn't have felt as safe joining up with a group of pretend confederates. And let's face it. It's a little weird that we still talk about confederate generals as if they were great increase leaders. Yeah sure if you were in the infantry that day it took individual courage to follow these. Orders horrifying casualty rate proves that but we still don't talk about as much as what lee and his army were fighting for. To put it bluntly it was the idea that white people should forever have the right to own and buy and sell black people. There's no courage in that idea. There's only prejudice and greed and hate. And that's why confederate monuments in charlottesville and so many other places are finally being taken down the titus slowly turning. It's turning against the idea that it's okay to memorialize era of unchallenged white supremacy and sooner or later that tied may come to gettysburg after charlottesville officials at the national park service said that the confederate monuments at gettysburg arc quote an important part of the cultural landscape on quote and that there are no plans to remove or alter any of them. You can see why the park service would take that position given. That gettysburg is a giant outdoor museum. But i wonder how long they'll be able to stick to it because a good museum doesn't glorify it's artifacts puts them in context and the virginia memorial were pickett's charge began. Isn't there to contextualized anything. It's only to defy robert lee and he's doomed army so yeah somebody might be offended that brings us to act two of our story act to trouble in future city one day this summer during the planning phase from eclipse trip i was looking at the state of illinois on google maps in my i landed on a place i had never heard of. It was called future city. It was just outside cairo. Illinois at the southernmost tip of the state in a little cup of land where the ohio river and mississippi river come together from the satellite view on google maps. I could see eight or so streets and future city arranged in a tight grid but it looked like there weren't any businesses or houses. So right away i had questions. Does anyone live in future city if so who. And what are their lives like. How did it get the name future city and is the place half future or is it just the world's most ironically named ghost town since i make podcast about the future i felt obliged to find out straight than your destination will be on the left. It's quarter to four on the twenty first of august twenty seventeen and i am in future city. So let's drive around a bit okay. This is not uninhabited. Well is the dock dog. I her you okay. I'm down at the end of first avenue. And there is an old abandoned gestation here. Following bruce st around to the back. It's basically like a cow path. Really tall weeds like six feet. On both sides there is the street. Sign for bruce street and fourth avenue. Not terribly busy street. All right continuing down fourth avenue. I think i'm going to park and walk around and see if i can find somebody to talk to me minute to talk. Okay got it looks friendly. Hey this is gonna sound crazy. But i'm a radio yet. And i saw this place on the map called future city suit and i had to stop here to find out what is future city. All about stealing in the future is a city into each only through guys. Have a minute to talk. These two gentlemen were sitting in the shade of a carport with their dog. And the introduce themselves as carl thompson. And larry sloan. They were both retired vietnam veterans. Carl was in the army and leary was in the air force. I asked them why there are so many streets and so few hot in future city that will that will man to build a future future city if what they call it through two cities frozen they thought you build a future hugh you know. It's a winning. Most of the people you had kids. Man had us on average of two. Here's house he could play together noon in and run around and get it all up and that was the future future city. They they future generations. Future city larry. Carl both said that. If i really wanted to know about the history of future city the guy i should talk to you was the mir dennis caldwell and they pointed me toward called wells house about one hundred yards away across a field but before it can head over there. The mir himself came out of the house and gotten his pickup. And carlin larry flagged him down for him bad. He's alive low residents gun with. I'm a radio reporter. And i've been talking with these gentlemen. They've been told me a little bit about the town and they said you're the mirror non bureau would do more than those thing know about. Future city was the lady to the whole folks. Hyundai was martha futures. She's supposed go out to south martha future. I really do you know when this was. I have no idea when this was okay. But this is just what i hear. The old people say met years ago that it was it was named. That's old lady. Come here from other south and they named martha future. Okay and i can't tell the risto 'cause on trud 'cause he was kidding. My grandpa did the research on it. I don't know whether it was true. Or what like a cousin or a sister. Hey i didn't get into you know. Is there like a historical society in cairo or in a library So we're right on main street. Maybe i could find out there and Have you lived here all your life but twenty thirty years. Thirty years How'd you choose to live here in future city. My wife are yeah is this is number. Houses their heels about Actually it was about four five hundred families. Four five hundred it was this ruled out here. Fifty one to one going through used to sit back this away but it's gone arrows houses all out there. This is back in the sixties. Sixty seven sixty eight. That's when they start building that ruled over the road and it was that the beginning of the decline of the town. Or i mean i. I don't mean to town when the civil rights started in the back in the sixty one. That's one of the town started going now. Why what was the connection there. Racism they don't want to hire black into the stores and things there is back then so do people pick up and leave kicked. Well a lot of people the business you know. They went out of business. There's no business. How many families do you think. Live here now. Two four six about nine travelers. so that's like less than a tenth of the population right. Shiloh baptist church over there. Is that still active. The churchill that on roll. Yeah his it used to set across the route that was those concrete boroughs set net. They moved it why this one row come through. That road really moving. The road disrupted everything they really did. It was it was proper place reaches all right. Thank you mr call. Well i appreciate it good to meet you. Thanks man is great talking to you after those interviews andro south into carro to visit the public library and see what i could find out about martha future. It turned out that the library was closed that day but after driving around town i finally understood future cities geographical predicament. Carro is surrounded by a system of extremely high levees and floodwalls from the north into the city through a tunnel that cuts through one of those walls. The city can close off the tunnel during flood by lowering and eighty ton. Steel slab called the big subway gate and future city sits right outside the gate right. Well the problem with it is it does flood it gets what we call seep water out there and does fled the residences and has flooded before when the rivers were high and when the rivers start going down. This land becomes Inundated with floodwater. That's monica smith. The director of the carro public library and so it it has moved. Many people out used to some of the houses were even on stilts out there and But it's just been it's hard to maneuver you can't get in and out you have to have a boat and different things and so the people have just You know had decided. It wasn't really worth it. You know. I called up smith after my trip mainly to ask if she could find any information about martha future or if not then how did the place the name future city one of the reasons is because there was no place for pure to go. They were surrounded by rivers and so they thought that that would be the future of the city But then digging further. I find that it was actually owned by gentleman named shoe trail to be specific. Smith said she found some newspaper clippings about a landowner named will trowel and he and another Landowner had purchased all the lots out there. And we're selling those lots At a very nominal fee for one hundred dollars a lot to get people to move there and Over the years it no one could pronounce his name because it was kind of a hard thing to pronounce and so they use the southern pronunciation and started to call it a future city instead of free. She sits which is kind of hard to say. So that's about all. I really found on. Okay well you completely answered my question. And i am so grateful. Thank you so much more than welcome. So maybe martha future was related. Somehow to will travel. Or maybe that whole martha stewart. Dennis caldwell heard from the town. Elders was just an urban legend but caldwell was right about one thing and that was the mark that the racial conflicts of the nineteen sixties left on kiro and a surroundings. The civil war turned carol into a busy port city and by nineteen twenty. The census bureau counted fifteen thousand residents but by nineteen sixty. The economy was reeling from a decline in river and rail traffic and the population had dropped by. Nearly half things got really tough. Starting in nineteen sixty seven when black residents rose up to protest police brutality and economic discrimination riots. fires ravaged the city in the businesses. That closed never reopened. As i drove around kiro. I could see that big chunks of the downtown are still empty and abandoned at the south end of town. I saw giant white billboard that welcomes people to historic karaoke. But it looked like it hadn't been repainted in decades. The nfl census bureau estimate that the city's population today is just twenty. Four hundred in place built for six times. That number if future city has a future it's tied to caros. Unfortunately the floodwall doesn't keep out bad news. I'm not sure whether to believe the martha future story. Where the wells story. But either way. There's some comfort in the idea that this unlucky place was named after a person. Because that's a little less heartbreaking then the idea that it was named for a dream is the idol pain is the demos playground here liver city when the capital with the united stand for plu trauma for sitting to keep the young ones more will after school. Finally we've arrived at one in out of order episode. Act one total eclipse plus simart. If you're a fan of the show you may remember. I guest from episode three tomorrow. Avi shy she's the host of a wonderful ripping and luminous podcast about art history called the lonely palate. She and i are actually cooking up. Something new that will tell you about a future episode. But in early august i found out that tomorrow and her husband evan were also going illinois to see the eclipse so we agreed to text each other when we got there and try to meet up somewhere near carbondale now as it turned out the place with the eclipse with last the longest was actually a tiny town. South of carbondale called mechanica. It's so small out of the way that there isn't even a cellular signal. That's where we all met. I'm gonna play some tape from canada and you'll meet a bunch of interesting people you also get a sense of what a carnival the whole thing was and when the clip starts you'll hear everyone totally freaking out but i just want to preface all of it with this no recording can capture the splendor clips the only way to grasp the howling cosmic weirdness of it all is to see one yourself before august. Twenty first i didn't understand why some people become lifelong eclipse chasers. Now i do okay. It's ten past ten. And i m in mechanica illinois where my conduct all find out soon from the locals and the candidate is really not much more than a bridge railway station and a downtown. That's about three buildings along. I'm gonna walk over there in a minute. See if i can talk to some people. Do you mind if we talk for a second. As long as i've got time that's yet so could you introduce yourself just quickly. I'm pam from pb and j. I'm the pin pb and j. and what's pb and j. Pam jackets a little. Junk store. oh this isn't junk elliott is. It's good junk but it's junk it's all junk how's business today. It's amazing absolutely amazing. Just like your biggest ever I don't know yet. it hasn't happened but it it's looking like it could be just quickly. How many people live kinda macondo. How do you pronounce it. First of all mechanica. We're not fancy or canada and it depends on which side you come into town from if you come in from fifty one it says we have six hundred if you come in from the park it says four fifty which few believe the four fifty people out there in rural canned but we never see them much pam and good luck today. Need them all. Can i sing a little song. I'm a song and dan absolutely. Please do. God bless you. China a guy big mouth up. Don't you I'm an audio producer. I never say no to people who wanna talk saying. Oh that's fun to see the eclipse duck. Oh sure sure. I mean you know. This is my last opportunity. I will probably won't be around for the next one. We seven years away. I'm a smoker drinker. Shouldn't be long now. Are you here with some of the craftspeople here. Yes actually the owner of the shop suffering rainmaker. Yeah exactly owned by david dardis. Who's been on getting national exposure on tv hence the line. What is this line. Represent the center of the total eclipse. Serious i am serious. They had survey or come and they decided this is the the line orange line painted down the asphalt here and even continue up the wall on the sign. Even the nd in mechanic is in orange indeed so this is the line where the zona totality will last the longest absolutely. That's that's pretty remarkable. How you were there as well as us. I'm standing right on it. You are biscuit and you're doing peanut basis here. My right yes. I'm painting faces here. I have fun and make little money. And it spreads joy amongst people they liked it and What brings you to mcandrew today friends. I known the guys down here for forty years. So i just wanted to come hang out and get funky and cosmic with them and maybe do a little business. Yeah we needed here way. Do we have all had our hopes up for this. You know It's been very busy. We actually add. Stop serving breakfast for a while because the biscuits gravy kept going but it's been very helpful in today is actually our one year so it's been very successful cook. I just noticed that there's a flag outside of the rainmaker studio. That's says united federation of planets. I'm gonna walk around the back and see if i can find the line new running away ll stories or do you have a story. Yeah today is me and my wife's th wedding anniversary. Congratulations if i would have been betting guy or something like that and you said i'll give you like one thousand one that there's an eclipse three years today. Where you're where you're married right here under the altar. I would have said no. I won't take that bet but it happened. I would have been rich. Lloyd's the sun. I cannot verify this. Just lee announced the rubers again word okay. It's twelve eighteen and eclipse is like Twenty percent was to swing through the crowd. And see if i can find tomorrow at cranston high. I thought it would feel more commercialized. I feel like. I imagine that people would be taking advantage of it too much. And it's like everyone around here is just like there is a van that said classes lasts five dollars and he just was like basically kind of like tossing them like out the window. He was just giving them away for free and i ended up five bucks anyway. Because it's like this is for you know. I mean we wanted the so badly. Thank you for providing the service but other than that. It's just like everybody is just like we've needed something. Bring us together. You know so badly and everyone is just looking up and smiling at each other and you know it's like like we've needed a little bit of a reminder that the universe is bigger than us that is so well put and the nice thing about there being No service because there is no service no one is looking at their phones and know it feels a little What's the word kind of medieval it's like everybody has to look up and talk to each other and everybody has to like. I was walking around here yelling. Wait like yelling your name to find you because i knew that was the only way that that would happen if that happened. So you know it's like it feels. It feels connective to a before us. I've gotten some amazing interviews today from all sorts of people and they're all just like half out of their minds just crazy. It's one of those days carnival it's a carnival. That's what it is feeling out of my mind too. I feel like. I'm on the verge of tears like just walking around and seeing everybody united for this thing and then you you know you put the clips lasts on and you look up. And it's like it's it's happening. It's like childbirth. It's like it's happening whether you like it or not. Evan has gone. Good how are you. This is my brother. jason jason. My mother high wade into it. Nice to meet you you. I'm wade kelly kelly. It's good to meet all of you. Hi it's so amazing. Like i can't believe this is actually happening right now. You know like oh yeah it's gonna get dark and like a little less than an hour. Nobody told me your name. What's your name again genevieve. What's your name. They the a great names silly called. 'cause like dumb moon is covering up dust sign because like when you think about how big the sun is like. Compared to our earth the sun is like humongous and then compared to our moon. Like that's like crazy like it's like. Yeah it's amazing that this like this little like rock is like blocking out the sun like the moon to like the moon is ours. Like our little buddy who's sticks by us and every now and then gets this moment in the sun like this time to really kind of show us what it's made of man you know. It just goes back to being being the beautiful kind of you know ocean pulling earth. Mother imaginative like all guys. I know there's iceberg. It feels like the world is like like the atmosphere's put on some sunglasses or something like the atmosphere's just like the giant camera with a filter on it or something like that. That's what it feels like right now. Like what what also makes this really cool is that there is no way to capture it other than to. Just be there to feel everything. Get dimmer you just have to be here. It's amazing so we're full daylight and it feels like it's almost getting dimmer and dimmer but not like night and there isn't a cloud anywhere near the son. We are totally golden glasses. If you look inside there does they're going. it's going only god can't believe my god. It's beautiful expected i want. I want to describe this. But you can't can't is amazing. You hear them Insect starting up. Yes they are. They're going to be disappointed. Airbags the ones that don't have the internal clocks so like you know the those early dumbo god and just the beautiful raise coming out around it. Edible like direct. Yeah like when kids draw what a son looks like. You never actually get to see that right outside the goal fighter. Ninety you can. It's starting to Wow and sun comes back out and the light comes back up and the whole town reemerges hermit cookies and suddenly. It seems brighter than it was before. Yeah going faster. It was so it didn't take long at all for it to get light again because right now like like it was so also i survived. Total solar eclipse took. Can't be the twenty seventeen. Congratulations i think we all survive. See now everyone is over it even though the trying to get our town still. You know mostly excluded by the shadow. But it's like you know we've seen what it can be We were both struck that it was smaller in the sky been we thought it would be and that it. It didn't necessarily to me at least feel like this huge transcendent experience but it was beautiful. It was just you know just one of the most beautiful things you can see in the sky even though it wasn't huge and the sky is something that we all think we know pretty well and it's just rare for something to be different in and it takes something enormous for it to be different that i can see why people try to have this experience as much as they can. It was both shorter and longer than i expected. Two and a half minutes. I felt like a long time like we could just look at it forever. And it was jus- glittering there and it was way more beautiful than precise and crystalline and alive than i expected. I was completely overcome. Which everybody says. That's what's gonna happen to you and you just can't really understand or explain until happens. There's ice cream being plots. Truly best day Which is written and produced by me wade rash. The show steam is by graham gordon. Ramsay additional music. This week by tim beek and lee rosier. You can find and follow the show on apple podcasts. Google play music stitcher tune in radio public overcast. Or wherever you get your pockets you can follow and like the show on facebook. And i tweet about the show at suny podcast. If you enjoy soon ish it really helps when you leave a rating and review on apple. Podcasts that truly does raise the odds that other smart listeners. Like you will find the show. Soon is a proud member at the pierre x. Podcast garage a community recording studio and workspace in allston massachusetts for more information go to podcast garage dot work and our website sooners. Podcast dot org. 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Jeff Utsch on whether or not the GOP controlled Senate should move quickly to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the Supreme Court.
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If you download the free iheartradio APP and I want to say Jeffey, you called it a few years ago and said we will one day regret not seating Merrick Garland on the Supreme Court bench now dims are using him as a reason not to see president trump's appointee. How does it feel to have been proven? Well. James T remember the Merrick Garland I said it is gonNA come back to bite us in the biggest reason was it wasn't Caught the correct way back then the narrative was look in an election year. Let's just wait until the election happens in the next president can decide and it was explained differently instead if our leaders in the Senate would have explained, look it is the norm in American history that it's the executive, the president and the Senate or controlled that you can push through a nominee at any time but if if the Senate and president or of opposite parties then The norm is to wait, but that wasn't the narrative James Teeth narrative coming out and what people remember is purely the message of, Hey, you know this the norm and it's not it wasn't the norm it depends on you know which parties are in control and win the nomination is Ford. So we did not educate well, and because of that I did say it would come back. And Bite us and it is right now we'll I tell you what you're absolutely right about that and we talk about this. Often we talk about we asked the question how come our elected officials don't you know used the constitution drawn? Don't even you know quoted a chapter and verse as the explained their actions and that's because politics has taken over to the point where we're. Doing things now, that may be unconstitutional, but we think we have the moral authority to do it, and then somebody will bring up the constitution and then well now it's a precedence. So but this, but this was only four years ago. So I wouldn't say necessarily that it is a president does what happened with with Garland? Really matter I mean the law is clear. Isn't it Jeff? It is let's get it very clear. The the president has the authority up. Until his last day you know to make nomination for the Supreme Court? The Senate now could confirm that nomination or they could wait until they were in a lame duck session that is really up to them all the way back when Washington was our president let's see how things have changed so much when he was president James, t he really thought it was up to the president to set the time and place to where the Senate would give advice and consent that has really changed where the Senate. Has Control that's been standing, but we see how things change over time James. G. So I do I do think that the president trump should nominate somebody I, do think it should go to the Senate but we need understand with eyes wide open change t what the risks are and how this can be spun. We already know the left creates false narratives and makes hay out of that like black lives matters like the sixteen nineteen project, all these things you give them a little sliver of truth boy they can start to make hay quite a bit Jeff, which is an instructor at the. At the leadership and Freedom Center in Gettysburg Pennsylvania. He's also our constitutional sense. Say Jeff last week we did a podcast on sixteen nineteen. I'm just going to divert for a second here we did a podcast on it not knowing that president trump was going to come out with the seventeen seventy six initiative and I say once again here we are editor curve would information out there about the founding about the constitution and to President Trump's credit he is hitting it out of the park I just say that because I want you guys to download a that Conversation that we had a download, the free iheartradio APP and listen to the constitutional conversation on sixteen nineteen. Let me ask you Jeff Ruth Bader GINSBURG was opposed to stacking the court, and this is one of the things that Democrats have threatened. They say if you go ahead with this nominee against the wishes of the dying Ruth Bader Ginsburg, we are going to stack this court. We're GONNA put eleven justices on make sure that they're all from the left of them's are still threatening to do it what are the consequences if they if they were to succeed? Well I think they could be dire james t but I think it goes to to de legitimize the court, and this is why we will. We will do a podcast on the pros and cons of the marriage garland decision, and also this decision to go forward because we do want to judge conservative judge on the court but the con is is art conservative judges we appoint don't always pan out do that they sure don't. They surely don't. Well and so you know we need more conservative judges. It is constitutional elections have consequences, James E, and we certainly should use the power of the presidency in the Senate to move forward. But as we do so you know this is going to ratchet up this election, James T and the chances for chaos spin and mayhem or increased, and that's why the Senate needs to get in front of this and really explain the history of how the Supreme Court justices are nominated during an election year and not come out with what they did with Garland but really get to the point and say this is how it's done. If you have an executive in Senate in the same party, you push it through and if not, Hey, the Senate has power to block it and there you go. But I don't think that. was explained very well, and because of that I think a just ratchets up the tension for the next couple of months or meal most cash offer companies who pay cash for homes have stopped providing cash offers. So if you need a cash offer on your home and need a quick sale call Carol Royse right now Carol Royse with Keller Williams Realty East Valley Your valley-wide team is still offering great cash offers to homeowners who need them don't hesitate call Carol Royse Right now at eight Oh, seven, seven, six, fifty to thirty one or go to Carol has the cash offers dot com that's carol has the cash offers dot com.
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"Support for NPR and the following message come from American Jewish World Service supporting human rights advocates worldwide as their respond to covid nineteen and defend democracies learn more at AJ WS DOT org. Live from NPR news I'm Shay Stevens Vice President Mike Pence and California's Senator Comma Harris are set to meet tonight for their only debate of the two thousand twenty election cycle NPR's Scott detrow reports on what's shaping up to be a formidable matchup. Vice presidential debates are usually not high impact moments of the campaign, but with President trump having spent several days hospitalized and with the oldest person ever elected president running against Joe Biden, who would claim that title from trump if he wins, there's more focus than usual this year on the second spot on the national ticket pence by March was viewed as the winner of his debate with senator. Tim, Kaine for years ago and Harris is a former state attorney general. Now known for her sharp questions at Senate committee hearings due to a corona virus outbreak at the White House. The Biden campaign has asked for plexiglass barriers to be set up between Pence Harris and moderator Susan Page Scott Tetreault NPR news president trump says he plans to attend next presidential debate democratic rival. Joe Biden has suggested canceling the event of trump is still contagious biden campaign yesterday and Gettysburg Gettysburg Pennsylvania calling it a reminder of the cost of one of the bloodiest battles for the nation soul. We stand here today a century and a half later after Gettysburg. We should consider again, what can happen? When equal justice is an IED. When anger and violence and division Are Left. Unchecked bind again promised to unify the country if he's elected. 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"Live from NPR news I'm Shay Stevens. President trump. has ordered a halt to negotiations on another round of Corona virus relief until after the election meanwhile, the tweet trump has also called for congressional deal on payroll protection for the airline industry were tens of thousands of jobs are being cut because of pandemic related losses. FACEBOOK has taken down a post from the president that falsely claimed covid nineteen is let us less deadly than the flu NPR Shannon Bond reports that the company says, the post broke its rules against harmful misinformation facebook says, you cannot make false claims about the severity of the pandemic. So the company removed the president's post which said in nineteen is far less lethal than the flu for most people. The president posted the same message on twitter, which placed it behind a warning label twitter says the tweet also violates its rules, but it said it would leave the. Post up because it's in the public's interest to see what the president has to say both facebook and twitter have been taking a firmer line against misinformation about covid nineteen. In August, they removed a video of the president claiming falsely that children are less susceptible to the virus shannon bond NPR News Joe Biden traveled to Gettysburg Pennsylvania Tuesday to continue his Co. for national healing. The Democratic presidential nominee suggested the site should remind people of the cost of one of the bloodiest battles for the nation's soul. We stand here today century and a half later after. Gettysburg. We should consider again what can happen? When equal justice is an IED? When anger and violence and division? Are Left. Unchecked Biden made no mention of president trump during his Pennsylvania trip. But he later suggests that the cancellation of their next debate next week if trump is still contagious with corona virus. Pennsylvania Senator Bob Casey says he has evidence that the trump administration is impeding priority mail deliveries in his State for member station W. L. Vr in Bethlehem Tyler Pratt reports the allegations follow claims that the US postmaster general has not taken adequate steps to reverse the cutbacks imposed over the Summer Casey shared photos. He says, he received from Scranton postal workers concerned about a quote scheme. To Delay The mail we saw at least five tractor trailer loads of delayed mail. That's a lot of any contacts in any. Case Casey says to sorting machines were removed from the facility in August and that Postmaster General Louis Joy later promised to return them. The senator says he's received thousands of complaints about package delays that include prescription medications, and that raises concerns with an election looming when more than three million Pennsylvanians may cast ballots by mail a US Postal Service representative said they are aware of the delivery problems and plan to resolve them so Tyler. Pratt reporting. This is NPR. A grand jury has indicted the Saint, Louis couple who pointed weapons at protestors marching past their home last summer mark and Patricia mccloskey both attorneys argue that they were exercising their right to bear arms when they pointed a pistol and a right rifle at the crowd on their private street. The couples say they felt threatened after the marchers knocked over a gate and ignored no trespassing sign nine demonstrators were charged earlier with misdemeanor trespassing. Bars in Paris and its suburbs are closed for two weeks as the French government tries to slow the spread of the corona. Virus. NPR's eleanor beardsley reports at the restaurants remain open in the city but must take more precautions. Restaurants have to close by ten PM and diners must pay it their table and leave their names and telephone numbers for possible contact tracing Parisian. Airman thinks it would've made more sense to shut down the metro system than bars because for example, in the transport's, you got a lot of people in. Really, smooth space everyone is required to wear a mask in Paris public transport, and while walking in the street, people are overwhelmingly complying. One of the country's top specialist predicts that if France doesn't change the trajectory of the virus four, hundred people a day will be going into intensive care by November Eleanor Beardsley. NPR News Paris stocks tumbled on Wall Street Tuesday the Dow fell three hundred, seventy five points in after hours trading US futures are higher Asian. Stock markets are mixed. I'm Shay Stevens. This is NPR news.