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Senada - Guruku Pahlawanku

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Senada - Guruku Pahlawanku

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Karan H. Salup, Nationally Renowned Fine Artist and Abstract Expressionsist On Building A Career As An Artist, Abstract Expressionism, and How A New York Times Review Set Her Career In Motion

Marni on the Move

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Karan H. Salup, Nationally Renowned Fine Artist and Abstract Expressionsist On Building A Career As An Artist, Abstract Expressionism, and How A New York Times Review Set Her Career In Motion

"Sir. The I believe he just got to keep trying and you have to pink for yourself. It's you what's inside you that you want to express that was Karen, Sal up. This is money Saleh. Thanks for tuning into my podcast Marnie on the move each week. I will be inviting interesting innovative. Uber's shakers to join me on the show and share their story. You will discover an here from thought leaders experts influences and entrepreneurs from the worlds of wellness, sports, beauty, fitness fashion, and more money on the move will feature collected mix of people, I know work with and thank are generally doing full things on each episode. I sync up with my guests about life career and training and showcase their expertise and story. Hi, and welcome to the money on the move podcast. I'm your host, Marnie Salip, happy mother's day. Hope you had a wonderful weekend. I have a very special guest on the podcast this week in honor of mother's day. I thought it would be fun to invite my mother Karen sell up to join me on the show. She is in New York Times reviewed award-winning fine artists and abstract expressionist whose paintings Greece the walls of top galleries in New York City, Long Island, Palm Beach, Miami and many cities in between her career spans over four decades where she has explored a spectrum of styles from realism to abstract expressionism. We are talking all things art from painting to building a business from creativity to entrepreneurship, my mother, and I converse about where her art career began her journey from painting as a hobby to pursuing a career as a professional artist. The challenges and opportunities along the way. Her method style influences and inspiration. And of course, we talk about the athleticism and fitness that have fueled her for six as always thanks for tuning in. And all your great feedback on the podcast. I appreciate your DM's and questions on social keep those emails coming. 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For my overall health and wellness lately, I have been using the pine pollen and Oshawa Gonda for hormones, imbalance Chagas for my immune system, and my favorite cortisol ups for extra energy pre-workout. I simply add them to my coffee or my smoothie every day. And I'm on the move head over to their website, some potion dot com and use the code Marnie on the move for ten percent off. Now onto the episode. I'm really excited that you're here today from Florida to do this podcast. I I know it's taken a lot of me convincing you to be a guest on the podcast. So thank you. Well. So let's start with where you began and your long career as a very well known highly respected New York Times reviewed artist where does it begin for you in high school? I had an illness and it was at a school for a while. And when I was able to get back on my feet. I went with my grandmother to the Y on queens boulevard, and I started, you know, keeping myself busy and just doing some drawing and when I got back tie school. I started taking a lot of art classes, and it just bloomed and from there, I went to CW post, and I went to school of visual arts Brooklyn museum in all kind of like came together. Where did you grow up? I grew up in Forest Hills. And where are you going to high school Forest Hills high school? Going shoes in Forest Hills, New York, and then did you work at all when you were in high school, I did work, but it had nothing to do with my art. I did some democracy for a lawyer. I worked in a dental office. I did all the things that you can kind of fit in while you are going to school high school when you model that was probably nineteen sixty eight sixty maybe the under sixty seven sixty eight I always wanted to be in the art C there. It was acting or modeling my father worked for ABC TV. He was really well respected there. And he kind of brought me in under his wing, and it was fun. I had a great two gears working as a color test model. We didn't have the kind of computers. We have now to pick up color that was a beginning of working in the arts that ended show. You know, I got married. Read, and I went to study art in different places like mentioned before Brooklyn museum school of visual arts. And then I kinda ended up at CW post because I was married, and we were living on Long Island, and it was convenient. And who were some of the artists that influenced you to pursue a career as an artist and follow this path when you were younger once or started taking classes you start as a realist artist, and you work yourself up to impressionism, and those artists would be Monet loved his work, a love his colors, and I I loved the whole feel of that. And I did that for quite a long time. And then I had a teacher that mentor me on one on one basis, and he wanted me to try to paint like my life was at that time, I had three little girls, and I was. Running from studio to soccer, tennis, and all the classes that you fill in your children's lives with. I was you know, being an artist a mother, a wife, and I just went along and did start painting a change to style. And I started painting abstractly, and he artist is no longer with us, Jerry Okamoto, he really pushed me into the abstract John rock loved it right away when right to it. It was me. And I started painting quick and change my nedia. My started painting with acrylics and pencils and just changed my life, and I've been painting over forty years, and I started really being calling myself a professional artists in the middle of the nineteen eighties close I was able to sell and then I started teaching painting. And that's how it's happened. When did you get into your first gallery like how did you go from taking painting as a hobby to getting into a gallery and going to be a professional artist? First of all it's very hard to get into a commercial gallery that was not even in my realm of thinking, I started out with some galleries on Long Island BJ spoke which was in hunting chin and there was a gallery that I was involved with in seek lifts and they will cooperative. So you had to pay some money and you had a sit and work in the gallery, you that was a lot of fun. I like that. And that grew into me starting to see my work as a true artist. And I started moving into the city and walking around the galleries and seeing where I could fit in I met a lot of other artists in studio in great neck, and we all kind of like work together and gave each other ideas. And from there. I started veridian gallery. I was there for five years that was on fifty seventh street, I believe the buildings address was twenty five west fifty seventh street and that also led from one gallery to another. I remember when you were at the virgin gallery. That's when you got the right up in the New York Times. Yes. Yes. What was that? Like to have your was that the first right up that you have a serious one was Helen Harrison. That was the first one that really was it was. Outrageous. It was just. I was over the moon because you, you know, you're not always sure when you send it invitation to arrive or or the post or the times that they're going to respond, and I just got lucky because she came into the city and reviewed my show, and that's the beginning of wanting more more and more. And over the years, I've tried to get into a lot of commercial galleries, and it's not easy. What's the process for an artist to get into a gallery? The process then was having your resume a statement, lots of slides, pictures, and all your news media, and you send it in an envelope. I'm kind of laughing at this because today is so different. And hope that you get a response, and it was trying. Got a lot of nose and a few yeses, and you know, the s in the past. Now, you have to have a resume a CV a statement and images you have to have Jane pegs, and they have to be a certain way, and it's a whole different world. I think it's amazing. I've seen how you have gone through your career. I was there at your opening at the variety and gallery, and I was there when the New York Times article came out, and that was huge. I've seen many many of your shows. And I've seen you in the last five ten years really get back into it. In a big way. I mean, you've been showing in Palm Beach in West Palm Beach in Miami in in Fort Lauderdale. So you've been showing all around, you know, obviously, you are not living in New York City anymore, and it's very hard to you have to be here to be seen. And so you've been really growing your business again in Florida and you've gotten some. Great reviews in the Palm Beach post Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel in the Boynton beach forum. So you've been really rebuilding your career in Florida into expanding into a new market, which is the Florida art scene. Tell me a little bit about that. Well, I I want to say that I have been member of the national association of women artists since nineteen eighty six and I've been active in that. All this time have showed in many of the gallery shows now online, they've exhibited my work, which is like I said before a whole new world, it's the XXX generation, and I was also president of women individual arts. And that's in Florida. And I was vice president of national association of women artists in Florida. So I have all that now. Under my belt as I've grown in the process of painting, abstract Lii, and it's a whole different vocabulary. It's more like painting visual poetry, and that's how you grow. And I I have all these these positive things, which I'll say is positive energy to get me into everywhere on I belong to the cultural council of Palm Beach that at one person show there I'm involved with arts warehouse, which is del Ray. It's part of the artist alley you've been teaching classes there. I've taught classes these are all the components that make up a professional artist. You're exhibits. Your name is out there your teaching and your references. And I'm very proud where I am today. It's taken a long time. Yes. And Marnie has been there from the very beginning. I was taking. Class with Marilyn mayor. And she was an impressionist artists, and I was about eight and a half months pregnant, and I was walking into her studio. And I fell down the stairs. She was there. I was just freak shows pike -cation to what I do that. That's it you when you have to be so dedicated to succeed, you have to be constantly painting and growing, and that's the process process is to grow change. And enjoy the moment of creating your work. I wanna talk about like all of the different exhibits that you've been part of an your solo shows. I mean, what are some of the shows that you've done recently? Well, I had a show this so many isn't the armory in West Palm Beach, and that was very successful and coordinated it was a group show, and then I've showed solo. The cultural council of Palm Beach, and I've also been in their group shows, we had a group show that was art decor. And I was selected to be in the exhibit and eight artists were paired up with eight interior designers, and they created a venue it. They were each like a box, but big size, you know, and they were paintings and furniture, and that was very successful. And I also had a solo show. They're also had a solo show at the arts warehouse in del Ray. And those are some of your resent. What do you have coming up right now, I exhibiting with national association women artists and Florida at the center for created education, which is in West Palm Beach, and they're women artists that focused on the influence of Frida Kahlo on contemporary. Art, which is right up. My alley. And I am now going to be in a show that is a biennial for the cultural council of the palm beaches in may. And that's a very big honor. Because I've tried to get into these biennial before. And yeah, it's not that easy. What's the process? Well, as I said before you have to submit a restatement resume and your images Japex and pay. Everything's about money coming in or going out. Right. And that's that's the process for that. So I was very honored. It's it's a journey any in any art, the ups are great you're on a high and things are great. But the Lowe's, they can be very depressing. You've been an artist now as we had mentioned earlier for over for forty years. So how you seen the art world evolve. In terms of artists from the time when you were starting to the contemporary artists of today. Well, as always there's lots of artists out there trying to get their name out there as well and into galleries, and I find now that it's very competitive their new ways that they keep asking for images to be sent and qualifications to galleries. And it's very different. It's a different world really is. And it's a hard world who accomplish to get in and be successful. You know, you can get into a gallery doesn't mean you're going to sell and that is the bottom line as I mentioned earlier in conversation. It's very competitive. There's thousands of artists out there that want to be known that wanna show, and the I believe he just got to keep trying and you have to paint for yourself. It's you what's inside you that you want to express. So what inspires you in your work? My life. I I really believe it was my life. I started out painting realistically, I moved to an impressionistic palette of impressionist style. And then as my life changed so did my work, and I'm very dedicated try to help other artists by teaching them. Just what I'm talking about. How to present your work to a gallery, and it's this you have to be a curator. You have to be a marketing expert, there's ways that Jaco, Nick. No, it's unfortunately, it's you have to know how to do everything marketing who is gonna wear you should send your work because I said my abstract worked to a gallery that doesn't doesn't represent artists that paint abstract style. And. And it's very hard. You've got to try to be positive and intuitive and create where do you draw inspiration for the colors that you use? I choose colors from nature. All my paintings. I consider landscapes I do not like to name them. But unfortunately, I have to name them. So the people can see what I'm trying to express. It's very hard to say. Well, what inspires you my life? I live in Florida now might colors beautiful. The sunsets is green all year, and my workshops that I do on going to workshops in different areas taking classes from very well known artists as well. And each from each thing, I take something, but my colors are from the sky and the sea and mountains, and all the things that have experienced that I've seen by with my own eyes many years ago. I went to Monet's garden in France. And I wanted to lay down on the ground. You just can't express that in words, you have to paint it. And that's what I liked. Do I love caller? I'm known as a colorist, and I will always be colorist in no matter what I do what kind of medium I use because I can't paint in other mediums and acrylic. I started out in oil. Then I moved to watercolors then I tried acrylics. And now having that knowledge helps you create the body of work that you are trying to have the viewer say and. You know, it's really a difficult thing to try to explain other than I say nature and landscapes are what influenced me, and who are some of the artists that you look to for inspiration and influence in your work. Well, William de Kooning because so Joan Mitchell side, Tom, we all anyone knew. Well, I have a good friend. Her name is Sally Cooper. And she paints like me, and I really do love her work, and we're compared to each other. And it's kind of funny because. Many years ago. I did study with her for a short period of time. And you don't want to. Focus on her style. And you want to create your own style from what she teaches you. So I would say she successful. And is also gal that taught in Florida that I had a chance to study with shorttimer name is Sherry O'Neil. And you know, if you go to my website, you can see the influences of other abstract expressionists, but I always keep it. So that it's my work. Not there's obviously this style that you've been painting. His was really feels like it's always been your style. Like, how has it changed over the years? What has shifted? The reason why you feel like that is because I started painting like this in a nine the late nineteen eighties. Jodi was born in eighty one. And I just started painting that way this the abstract expressionist way around then, and you were just thirteen. So how I've changed. It's not the colors might colors. Always my palate stays the same my brush strokes, and my gestures have changed the way. I compose a painting is different. I don't draw in a traditional way, I do a very quick outline. And then I worked to build up the canvas, and it's a back and forth process where you start to work, and you form shapes. And then you go back and with these gestures, which are lyrical you create a song asong on canvas song, and you like to work on pretty big large scale canvases. Yes. I when I many years ago, I worked on very large campuses, the problem with that is now getting them around which is always been a problem. But now it has become harder. And a lot of galleries do not want such big pieces because they can't store them. The walls are smaller. My favorite size is a forty by forty stretched canvas or forty eight by forty eight. I the bigger the freer you are. And that's how I paint free to miss New York. I miss New York very much. I it's very hard to be out of New York where you believe it's the scene, but unbelievable Florida has got win more and it has Miami. And. We have West Palm Beach. I mean, it's armory cultural council upon beach. There's plenty to see in Florida and yet very good artist. So we've kind of talked a lot about what you do as an entrepreneur and an artist and your career, and how you've evolved over the years from your style to the way, your marketing yourself and your press coverage and all the galleries you've been in and what you're doing moving forward. But I also know that you are and have been very athlete in your life. And maybe not in the most recent years, but I remember growing up you always playing tennis, which is how I got into tennis. And you are a very good equestrian and had your own horse. You know, maybe you can share with my listeners where your fitness began. I've always exercise as I mentioned earlier. I I had some surge. Gery when I was sixteen and it was a bone tumor that was benign and in recovering they didn't really have physical therapy. But I knew I had to do something stretching or something to get myself more aligned. So I started doing the stretching by using yoga. It was like not known. It was like in nineteen sixty six and you know, it wasn't popular amongst westerner feeler, and we you know, you watch television shows and they had it in the beginning. They had some think channel thirteen educational. What happened was I started doing my own yoga and stretching. And then I would say in the eighties. It became very popular the late eighties to take classes in using weights. Step class and running and yes, I wasn't athlete once upon a time. And I still work at I do yoga, and I walk in my community does not I can't do Jazzercise even though I would love to. But I think that Marnie watched me as well as my other daughters. Go from one activity to the other used to say, I have changed. My hats. I'd start in the morning and be in classes, doing a Jazzercise step class and. What were the classes do you? Remember Michael used to teach step class and the bodybuilding. And then he did also stretched class that was very popular in the eighties, and I to to it like lightning a loved it. And I have an had a lot of energy. And so that would be like my first the kids would get off to school. And then I would do my second thing which is exercising, and the thirteen would be coming home and painting, and the fourth thing would be picking up the kids and being mom, and that's how I came to really paint the way I paint. I had a mentor by the name of Jerry Okimoto. And he observed me painting impression Slee, and this is not who you are. And I said what I didn't know where it was coming. From and started showing me how my life has to coordinate with my work, which is painting. So we changed the entire style. And he worked with me for ten years. And he really he taught me all that. I know and I'd go to museums. I see a lot of work by Joan Mitchell and art history at CW post, I took artistry courses, and that's the knowledge you get you. Find all these influential artists when you come back to New York. Are there any museums or galleries you to go visit or work at you exhibits that you want to say? When I come to New York City. I go two weeks bits that I like to see I love the Whitney. I love the mon- museum. And I really feel very comfortable at the Whitney. What you love about the way I like to go I like to visit the third floor fourth floor, and that's all the abstract expressionist. You'll find Joan Mitchell their Kooning, Alex Katz. A lot of great artists Cy Tommy has his work there. I wish my work was there. Maybe it will be one day. I I hope so because otherwise my daughters are going to be having a lot of off to get rid of. I have a lot of art. Yeah. It sells. I have a woman that represents me. It's a tough career to be an artist any on me kind of artists. I mean, you're selling your soul, you send you're getting rejected. You're showing your soul. Yes. That is what an on you show, your soul and. You have to be willing to do that. Especially now, how I paint it's intuitively, and that is work that comes from within. And I mentioned this before but I have a vocabulary that I've developed. It's not words, it's brush strokes and gestures and line that is completely different from what I've done years before. And I could do a painting in two days, and I can take a painting and NAFTA work eight weeks. It depends the size, and what is going on in my life and in my head. I'm impressed with your linked in account, and you're on Instagram and Facebook, and you're really like really got it. Like, it's I'm beyond impressed. That's the difference between when I was painting many years ago, and you want to know what's different today today, we have social media. You've got to be out there. You've got to have your own website. And you gotta let people know you're on the website. Would I I started really getting online paintings direct came to me and asked me if I would send my slides, and at that time, it was lives, my slides and a statement, and do I have a resume all these things and online I mean, it was like giving birth to a whole new set trick which it has. So it's it's wonderful to have this social media and glad for Marquis, and design and art that we have it. Sometimes it gets a little bit crazy. You don't have to know everybody's business or their whereabouts. Only daughter and your Instagram feed is really is really great too. I mean, you've really been. Working on that. I like the direction you're going with showcasing your work. I always think that you should maybe tell a bigger story on your Instagram, which I've, you know, whether it's the story of the colors that you use. I mean, you have some colors that really are almost like your signature colors that you use. So like, what are your signature colors? Oh, I would say that. My blues are my signature color and purples and blues purples, and I use a lot of black it just evolves. You don't you think of the sky, you think of the water think the grass and all those colors come into play. You'll learn your color strategies, and you just you repeat them, and you just remember your complimentary colors, and values and all the base. All nothing's changed with that. It's just experimentation, and you feel it color has energy and. Paints have vibrations. That are like like you had said earlier you referred to painting like music. So do you feel like that about paint that has that kind of energy in vibration? Oh, absolutely. Because I never paint without music. It could be opera. It could be rock. Pop. Rock could be go oldies. So has music influence your art at all over the years popular music. No, maybe, but we classical music, definitely when I paint. I liked to paint with a different kind of sound who are some of the artists. You're listening to right now coal play. And you love her. It's mellow slice. Sounds good. What what was some of the original artists that inspired you when you first started daughter's dying for this? Beatles course, the Beatles. Your favorite Beatle, Paul McCartney, Paul McCartney was your favorite via at that time, Paul McCartney. I like. Chime in it was different. He sang differently when we were younger. Did you like the eagles? Yes. Like eagles. That was later. I like Queen I like sticks. I know this is one of your favorite questions. So I saved it for last. When people ask you like how long did it take you to make that painting? I think that everyone in business can understand how you're about to respond to this question. How long did it take you to make that painting my whole life ever from the moment? I held a piece of charcoal in my hand until this day. That's how long it takes. It's the knowledge that you keep in your mind that stored up, and that's what I'm talking about of as of Okabia, Larry because that your base where you can walk up to a canvas and just start because you know, what you're doing. And it it's not that I can finish a painting in weeks. It's that I. Have to step up to the painting. And know exactly what I'm gonna do. So people think people who are not appreciative the arts. Yeah. I mean, they think just like throw some color on canvas and sell it, obviously. That's not the way it goes. There's no such thing. If you ask an actor how long they took for them to s- cover their method and how they train themselves. They're going to use a combination of exercise. Creativity model themselves after someone that they would nurtured by or they respected. It's the same thing in any art form. And if you have a specialty like marketing or marketing design and cheerier design it takes a long time to make perfect, and that's the journey that artists take it's a journey. And you're never finished until you're that was awesome. Mom. Thank you. Thanks again for tuning into Mari on the move. If you like what you hear leave us a five star review in apple podcasts. Follow us on social at Marnie on the move for Facebook and Instagram and Marnie Sal up on Twitter head over to our website. Are you on the move dot com? For more info on this episode links in the show notes. And of course, sign up for our quarterly newsletter. The download to get updates deals giveaways and information on future events for twenty nineteen. I want to hear from you Email me money on the move one at gmaiLcom, and let me know what you're enjoying what you wanna hear more of if you have questions for our guests just reach out.

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Debra Price  Transformation through the Power of Music

Courageously Go

25:10 min | 1 year ago

Debra Price Transformation through the Power of Music

"The. Welcome to courageously go, where we will venture into places. We've been afraid to go women of the world. We are going to start a movement, a movement towards courage. Hello, everybody. My name is Debbie petro, and I am the host of go. And I'm so glad that you are here with us. This is the show where we facilitate a global conversation about courage. We do this, because I believe that when we live from our hearts by choosing courage, the life of our dreams and a better world for all our possible. No matter our age or circumstances. We never needed feel stuck or alone are essential truths are as follows. I choose courage. I use my mice. I embrace the new. I welcome challenge. I continue to grow. I am a woman of action. I courageous Lee go, if any of these statements resonate with you, then you are in a good place, and I'm glad that you are. Here with us today. Also with us is this week's guest and her name is Deborah Pryce. And she's a gospel recording artists since two thousand Deborah hasn't powered and encouraged women and young girls through sharing her music at various venues, such as conferences, churches concerts radio shows festivals clubs, colleges shelters, including parts at cetera. Her goal is to help women and cover their inner beauty confidence, and strengths through the power of music. There is healing for our souls, from depression, death divorce and other issues of low self image. We overcome a little easier when we know that someone else has survived, what we may be experiencing look up and reach up, Deborah price. Welcome to create Asli go. Thank you so much, and I wanted to be thanking thank you. Oh, you're so sweet. I've I've, I've been really looking. Forward to meeting you. We've never met before and having this conversation with you, because you've, you've had quite a life and I'll, I'll let you, you get into it. But, but what have you. When did you start singing? I started when I was a little girl. My mother was vocal coach. I am the third of ten children. I had both my mom and dad and they were for they, multiply they feel the earth. They subduing they submitted. So all of my siblings, and I we all could to sing or play an instrument. I don't play anything. So do I sing. I've seen take it more. I take the thing to the next level. I totally have given myself over, who's the one that created me the one who loves me than anybody else, one who went on the cross, for me, and gave his life for me, and I chose to give my life back inspecting testing trials as a young girl, I song for my mom to please, my parents, and, you know, going through testing and trial, the life, I had the Bill. The relationship with the creator for myself and I just I love giving back on the stand. The test and trials I've gone through is not so much about me. I mean it growing me up. I'm attracted more and more. But at the same time, there's somebody else that's gone that may not feel that they can make it. And I could give somewhat of my testimony. You know, I think I can make it you know, I think I could do it too, if God could do for you. If you feel that, that, that, you know, get worse. People say to me if God could do it for you. And, and you, you had a child to die and live in a shelter for battered women and, and going through tests, and trials with your children, and, you know, and still be in my right mind. You know, we all have filed do we do and, and, and your we do in. This is a show for women and, and I often find that we can. Really benefit from sharing our experiences with one another Deborah and, you know, things that we've learned, our challenges, and our celebrations, it's a community and that's really the heart of this show. And really, why I'm doing this and just really having, you know, building this community out there and, and, you know, reading a little bit about you, and I didn't say a whole lot when I introduced you, but you really have had some challenges in your life. And I was wondering if you wouldn't mind, maybe, for, for the benefit of our listeners sharing with us a little bit of your story. You know, some of the challenges that you've had that you have overcome because you, you're quite a courageous lady, and you've been through a lot in your life. Thank you so much. And on top of that is even summer things happened so many years ago, you know, life cycle in school. You know, when you fell attached with you. You have to go back repeating gotta go back and, you know all growing to the next level. So and, and I was marinate nineteen not because I was pregnant or anything. But because I like I said, I had a very strict upbringing and my mother has four daughters, and six sons, and she was very over protective of her daughters, and I think we being the, the, the sickly child at home and, and very, very, very petite. My mother really, they run a fundamental kept me on to her. I wouldn't school. I had a job and I was at home. So I never got to go out and do you know, never wanted a recreational center, and the young girl. A lot of things I didn't do. Get the do because in my mother's eyes, it was too wurley to, you know, something bad, happens that you go. My mother. Keep picking the young man that I married because he felt he was mature, he was twenty four hours nineteen and she felt like he would be, you know, right fit for me and three months after dating. You know, of course, dating, you know, I never really get going date and all this, and that night dean, we, we would say around and got called, nobody got regulating and Geneva go that far, but almost and my mother found out and she told him you, did you touch. She activision but daughter. And of course he's like seats to him, five four very petite, and he says, yes, ma'am, and if you were to know my mom, she was one of those sheiks Klis short chips to just in play will hell. And, and she said, well, you gonna marry her, and he was like fine, and three months later three months relations you are dating. We got married, and, and none of the, the, the size of, of things or anything like that. And it wasn't that he was so abusive, it was more of he didn't want to be at forty four. You didn't even know me. I understand that now 'cause I'm way older. But he didn't know me and he didn't treat me right? He then lovely and didn't really love each other. We grew to, to two grew to love him. And we in the seven years of being married, we, we have three truth together, we have our son at that time was five, and he has a son with another young lady in another state. That was two years older than my son that I didn't know about. But then we've got pregnant five years. Later because he begged for Gloucester got less for twins and. At first, he will excite. Yeah, I made up my mind because I knew would wasn't alone, you know. And I, I my family, we don't we didn't my mom my mom and dad can believe in divorce. So even though they had their ups and downs. They made put up they always got back together, you know. So divorced in our pendant was a known though. And so I did everything I wanted to I never wanted to be a single parent. So I would, you know, try to just make everything work. And you know the thing about it. He started getting where he was very abusive. He started. I you know, put me down. I was like I said, very small and pretty with our two girls, you know, you pick up a little late in the cellmate but for him, I was fad and all this, and that, and nobody wanted me. I understand now what he was doing, but he would at the same time, he, he was a freighter see this is I used I used to hot and I was forced shame, like it was my fault that things happen the way it did. But God has given me much understanding now. So I would hide what was going on? But people knew that I that what was going on. And it's ladies, just because somebody will. You know may hit you one or two times that is still abuse. It wasn't like I was getting beat up every day I was pregnant, and the, the, the, the second time he jumped on me as when I was pregnant with our, our twins. And both our son his son from his previous relationship as well as five year old son, soil it, and, and, and I'm telling you that did a number on the voice, and, and he decided he didn't want to more girls, any more, and, you know, when you, you can't send them back, you know, and, and he told me he's a well, you know, just pack your bags and go on your mom, and you know, think about it. I'm like, hey, where I my mom I had zero children. So now you send me back with three and you know, and I was very young. I was very you know, I was told to, to do it. Could. Please my husband. That's how salt and by the grace of God, I bring this is what happened I would really go through a lot. You know. And it's so true. That was you strengthen than you're pregnant, you're really it's affecting your child. So, you know when you relationship where you've been helped down and, or, or whatever, just hope I can negativities, the best thing to do is get away from that person because it really does your baby inside of you. And I didn't realize that until now re weeks after I had my daughters are daughters, free months early. So my girls will like a pound thirteen houses, and angel was a pound and fourteen out. And my, my I was still in silica hospital, our haven't really gone through myself and my doctor would not released me and my girls in Birmingham. Fama. And so I didn't get to see angel alive. She lived three day, and she went back home to be with the Lord. So that didn't number on me. And I knew I was going through it, my children's dad and that was a number on me. So my doctor wanted to put me on depression pills, and I'm like, I can't take we I I don't do let occasion I get. I do something to me. I get high. I really do. I even if I take allergy stuff, and then it has to be children level, allergy something, because I, I don't do too good with medicine and the doctor where he get released me a week, amongst, they think it was six days later, he let me out. And I remember him telling my soda dad, my cousin, you know, we when you release where relieved for you take her sprayed home, because I had to have a Syrian and instead of him taking me to the house, he drove me to Birmingham. Soon. Have the nurses to get my daughter? Now, my baby was in, you know, when you're when you're when you're deceased they cook in Frieder, like right, so her hands and everything was freezing cold, and broods all over her body, because they were trying to keep her alive for me. And, and you know, in my twenties, I looked at a picture. They took me I had to destroy go. I, I looked so very old. And just like life was just out of me like the Walking Dead. I was so depressed. And so, I think God, I didn't lose the mind brings up the bear in angel took my five year old son. And I came to Birmingham to be closer to miracle, that's my other baby thing and river shelter for battered women, and I thank God for that at the time I didn't understand even back because I never been away from home before, like that. And I was with a whole bunch of. Fringers. But when I tell you got getting angel in the midst of all, that, that really took care of me now she was hard on me. Her name was this beat, and she was the house, mother? And she was she made me get myself and line. And, and, and, and get my mind off. Whatever form too, because I was on. I wouldn't eat, I would go to the hospital catcher BUSTER the hospital beat that with vehicle because she was going to, and the doctor was saying she was going to die. And at the same time he will come up to the hustle and be negative, you know. And then I finally told the nurses doctors where we're going what was going on, and they started protecting me and he will come. They put me in a room and a take care of me until he leaves he leaves. So after my after all this happening, and gosh, all working on a miracle were she was they did this surge. Gery through my daughter back to close. The valid her heart and. She started getting better and the thing about her. She couldn't feel other children. So they put us in a transitional housing where we had our own place. I thank God for that, and fluid on, they really helped me and my children. But at the same time, my son had to have counseling, mentally. It was just too much him. And to this day, my son is thirty now, and we're still dealing with things from the past, you know, and it's just like. As a parent, you know, as a mom, you feel like it's your fault that this stuff is happened that you're, you're okay. I never wanted to be fair, but you can't make a person's love you of the stay with you. If they're not happy with you. And the best way to really help yourself in the help your Truyen is to get away from from an abusive person when that person hitting you everyday are only hit you once every now and then that's not your, your spouse's job to put his hands on you being a female hitting on a man or mail hitting on a woman that is not the responsibility of south of is that, that, that's the that's supposed to be your best friend. You know, you're covering. That's nice. You and just to clarify was that your husband or your mom who initially found this who brought you to the shelter. How did you come to, to be at this place? I had my oldest brother, who who's deceased now. He he Joe. He brought me here. I didn't want to stay with my family. I wanted to be with my daughter. I wanted to want, you know, if I didn't have the whole family, I wanted my children, you know. So I wanted to be here. I had my oldest brother, brought me to Birmingham, 'cause I have no family here. I knew nobody here. So calling shelter active of they had room and they put me up and it was really a this is no sound really weird. But this really nice shelter. It it was. They really it will I am. I'm very grateful. It was not where I would. I don't know how to say it. I know it, it was a blessing in disguise, I put it that way. All it sounds like you got help any and you let you ended up in a place where you were safe, and you've got the help you need it, and, and, and thank goodness than I appreciate your being, you know, so forthright and sharing the story with all of us. You sure have been through a lot, and you really have. And now this, this show goes by very fast. So I just want to be sure, we have enough time to, to share with our listeners about your music, I've gone online, and listen to some of it and, and I it's just beautiful. And, and I, I want to be sure, you know, I wanna give you a moment we're going to run out of time really, really fast here, so share with. No, no. I'm really glad you shared your story with us. And so let's hear a little bit about your music before I get that, that five minute warning for my producer in how we can learn more about your music that you, it's something it's a gift that you're sharing with the world. And it's just beautiful. Thank you. My album is called transform me. The solar woman Deva price, the E. R A. P R, E E, and it came to me going through another testify, 'cause I'm remarried, and we've been married for ten years, even as, you know, marriage and junior, you have your ups and downs. I and I ever saw on there is to help encourage everybody, but my passion is for women and girls, the tests, and trials that we women go through because we're emotional creatures. We take everything so very personal and we love really hard and a majority of young, ladies and women, I have met that's the that's what I'm hearing. How mentally they they've gone through all even lost their minds because of, of relationships and not knowing how to love themselves fern. That's one of the things that I'm trying to help women young girls to see you know, once you love yourself, once you, learn who you are. And how God created you to be a masterpiece you. You, you won't let other people what they think about you, drain, you pull you down to the ground. If you're nobody everybody got created in this world is somebody everybody in this world. We have a unique unique gifts and talents that he's given us all, and we should value each other love each other, and from get about our differences. You know, we, there's a reason for the different. We, we can bring so much more to each other because of who we are. That's my goal to just be a blessing to everybody. So you can find online, find the music online, also and on inev- own is stores transform the Devorah price. That's the name of the city threat. France for me, never fried. Okay. And I'll be sure you know, on my website critically. Go dot com. I always you type up we'll show notes blog post, if you will, and we'll be sure to share with the world all the links to your music, and all that you do. And, you know, I think. We have, you know, quite a bit in common because really Deborah, my mission and the show is, you know, community and in reaching out to other women and girls, I think I it's like my highest calling really is is for our girls in women to be empowered right in. And so that's really the spirit really behind this show. And I think that's why maybe we were brought together to share this time together. And so, I'm so thankful that, that you that you spend your time with us, and you shared your story, and, and maybe before 'cause I'm getting the I'm going to get the two minute warning here is, if there, there might be this is a lot of women out there listening. If there's a woman or a young person out there, whose maybe in an abusive situation or in, in a situation that they're frayed to, to talk about. But it's, it's is, is there play resources that maybe you can share with all of us of what, what should they do? When a bad thing to do is to, to find help in your local area if possible if you want to leave that state to try to get away from that person you calling for, especially if you've been battered and look for shelter that is for battered women is so much different than the other shelters. But the shelter for battered, women of they, they go off their way to really try to, to help you and I know the other juvenile saying that there's something different about it, and it will be a blessing, and who will be protected because you also have a police officer there at all times, you know, just in case, so it you gotta get away your, your sanity, your children, your piece. This wall is to grew for two, great to just live, you know, in depression, and sadness, when a person don't love you love yourself. I get away. So give them I haven't for. My children's dad, you know, because I wrote, I wonder if the way he was raised as well. You know that now right? And I was going to ask you did it have to be a did you have to completely cut the cord with him or were you able to later in life was is he was he in your children's inures life at all? Or was it just a severed corden to let it go? In the beginning in the shelter. No communication, and all because he was wanting to hurt me, he still wanted to hurt me because he felt a shame because he was a free cure. He felt a shame and what I'll never might you told me to, you know, what, what, where me is that you lose your mind. Really? So I is the best thing to do to get away get away. And I did I had to I'm serious. I got to help me it took me some years to really release him because I never wanted to be a single parent. I, I never want to go back, but, I just, you know, then, you know at that time of more, I can't even people may in even at that time. I mean, I'm yawning licking, Jake. Flow friends. But like I said that in that shelter Miss B he was like sixty something years of age is she was a hardcore Mumma and to everybody and my mother, I was telling you be respectful respect. Older people, you may not like what they say. They'll be this ascent yet, and I'm waiting now. You know. Deborah. We are out of time that you have been a delightful guest. I just want to I I'm sorry, we're at a time because I wanted to keep keep listening to you, and we'll have to we'll stay in touch, and maybe back on in two thousand twenty and, and in the meantime, everyone out there you need to listen to her music, and get, you know, Deborah Pryce and thank you for your time. And thank you. Thank you. Thank you for. You're most welcome. It's definitely a project of the heart and then joined the rest of your day. We'll be in touch. Okay, deb. Oh, right decker. Thank you. Well, everyone out there, thank you for joining us today. You've been listening to crate, Asli go, I am Debbie the peach, you can visit my website at quaintly Ligo dot com. And learn more about the show ladies until next time, remember this, it's our time to shine. Let's make it so and courageously go.

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"I. This is fantasy focus baseball podcast here, your hosts, tristen cockroach, and Eric Arab L. Hello everyone. And welcome to another fantasy focus is both today is Monday, April fifteenth two thousand nineteen it is Jackie Robinson day. The sport nation celebrates an important Craig's man also tax day. Hey, your taxes. I'm Eric his tristen, Daniel dot pushes all the right buttons today on today's show, we wrap up another interesting weekend baseball, talking performances of note injuries closers combo meals. Who knows what the wreck Shen our show ago also discuss Clayton Kershaw making his season debut on Monday, mirrored hashbrowns Tristan wanting the vampire league this week. Congrats interesting I thought he'd win week one little disappointed that you didn't. And now you want to I suspect you're gonna make the playoffs in your league. Soom top four make it. I have no chance. But I do. I do congratulate you on your achievement and vampire league is. For those. I mean, briefly explain what that is. All right. So the vampire league is our two leagues you, and I are the vampire team in these pair of leagues involving some of our listeners, and how it works is at the beginning of the year eleven of the twelve teams drafted teams and the vampire team, which is you and I did not get to draft anybody. We had to build a roster of able players at the conclusion of the draft amongst the other eleven teams. And then if our teammate of these horrible scrubs wins any game we can steal one player at the same position. Somebody replace on our own roster. So yeah, the first win in vampire league happened taken Manny Machado in difficult choice and given Garin Hamson back. Oh, that's right. You have to give somebody back. I think it's easier to win points format had to agree with, you know, shot in offense like, and I have no saves and no closers turned over really. So I'm I've been close both weeks, but really would know shot to win six four because I'm losing every offensive category. It's going to continue this week. Although now Adhan Vogel box all should be. Well, anyway, that's congrats. It's fun. I am enjoying. I must say that. Right. I mean, you're you're it is a lot of fun. Yeah. It is. It's just like as the weaker, see like an appointment. You just adding everything you don't care about stolen bases. You don't care about saves. You know, like I just feel like no shot. And and let's give credit to the guy keeps Twee Thomas Cavanaugh who I I lost two in week one keeps tweeting about I want to give him credit. He says he was terrified you shouldn't have terrified. He was nervous. And we to lost six three one counts of sixty one in the standings, not one nothing lost which is actually better. I think because I'm probably not going I need to keep close like he's weeks. And then hopefully by like may can winter week or two and steal players. But anyway, there was a trade in my league this week. Let me tell you what you well. There was let's hear it somebody traded jerks and pro for straight up for Tim Beckham. We think of that. Rosewater big weekend. Yeah. And I can see the rationale for those teams behind the trade. I personally would prefer profile just because that's just judging the talent from the preseason. I believe in his, you know, I believe in the staying power of jerks and pro for more than I do Tim Beckham. I agree. Well, run darling. Let's have the news of the week. It's the buzz. All right. I know this little happen later in as preview that the next couple of days. But I want to talk about the top. I wrote my blog entry off of it. Maybe it's up there, and you can see and read it Clayton Kershaw season debut at home against Sanada. They are number one in baseball opiates against lefties, but very few at bats as so I don't wanna read into that his second start of the week is that Milwaukee, which is one of the tough places. I would say tough lineups face. So I think you have to activate Kershaw in daily today and a weekly, but the premise of my blog was I'm selling. I don't think he's making twenty five starts because of his shoulder. And also because of the way the dodgers treat their pitchers, which is not to say, it's bad. But also I have concerns here. So I think the window to sell high until he is basically to a pitch is if you pitches really, well, you have another window and told Milwaukee game. But what if he leaves this game after two innings hurt? I have concerns you. Yeah. I do and you're not lining the most pessimistic angle on it. So I think there's what was optimistic twenty-five starts like last year. Maybe I mean, I I don't think we have a right to be optimistic anymore means defined just talked with us on your bell on Thursday show about Kirsch on the long-term concerns that we can't really trust that he's going to avoid another injury or setback at some point. So maybe the highest the highest value is going to provide you from this point forward is a borderline top ten starter. He's not going to be the top pitcher in all fantasy. I mean, maybe he could if everything perfectly, but I don't think it's very likely you're wanting a pessimistic view in that you don't even want to necessarily see the outcome of these two games. I think there's an opportunity here where you allow him to make three to five starts for your team. And then you cash in because people are going to think he's back to being that ace and fantasy baseball which I don't think he has that ceiling for. So I think either way we're both coming from the trade Clayton Kershaw when you can I I wonder whether it's gonna happen right away. I prefer the word realistic than pessimistic. I see what you're saying. I think we're kind of saying the same sack thing you're saying kind of wait a couple starts, and when he's really great then trade for more than you can get and I'm I'm less risk reward than you are unlike okay, everybody's excited today. Today's the day to move them. So that's the thing. Yeah. You're capitalizing little on the prospect buzz. This is one thing we talk about with with top prospects that if they're not for junior types, or Vlad Guerrero junior types, we often say capitalize on the buzz before they even play in a game once their stats on the book. Then it's time to cash in you taking that kind of angle, and I see it. I see your point. Okay. Let's move on injuries. Gary Sanchez think that happened after our last show did with caffeine Gery. He's expected back right away. When the ten days are up, so I guess no concerns there. But catchers, in general, man, I tweeted out I just I don't trust catchers because they play fewer games and all the other positions. They get hurt more. I think they play through injuries. And we don't know it. We don't know what the injuries are for all. We know John Luke Cordesman her for years. I just I man I don't want Gary Sanchez. I I love Williams ask the DO because the catch replays other spots, and he never strikes out. We're walks. I think safe and batting average. But I would just like threw catchers. I if I Gary sater's, I'll try to train them right now, if you could and Gary Sanchez was one of the players that could have considered a claim in that vampire matchup, and I gave it a long. Well, no, there's a very Machado. Why would you ever do that? Because the value. I get compared to what I replace and filling the position of catcher in his stead makes the case for him because he's on the deal. That's the primary reason I scratched it right away. But I did have to look long and hard at. That one. And I appreciate your Optimus outlook here for Sanchez that he comes back at the ten days. And I think he probably will. But I don't know that's guarantee and it does raise the question by catches. It's really a terrible terrible position. Majeste fatally a top five catcher. So far. I think that says it all I don't know how you can even consider Machado. They're okay. But obviously with Jancis comes off the list which could happen Sunday. I would not activate them for the week for one game ridiculous Texas Lewis Ruth Netto door the older one to a knee injury. That might take a little bit longer. They're replacing them with Logan force. I I'm not a particular fan because he bats to forty at best. But he has average twenty seven home runs and fourteen stolen bases over the past three seasons. That matters view second. I don't know of any second basements doing that. So you got to keep them Rosser would think you should certainly try to in our game at might be a little bit difficult. But I I am a pro route Netto door. A guy. I liked his approach during the spring. We've mentioned on the show previously. The shame here with these two is just that you can't roster their their their own team replacements. I mean, Logan Forsythe Austin enroll mine are just not they're not really going to get it done for you player raider over the past seven days, surprising, aim, sir. I want your thoughts if yes Jose altuve a hitting a Homer every day. I mean, I did not see that Austin meadows. We've talked about with our old raise fan who did the Leo shuffle. And let's see what I did there. You know what I did? I got it Rendong pro far Vogel Bach whose off to an amazing start. I had to decide between Vogel Bach and Christian Walker in the office league and went I'm going to finish last. What would you do there? We'll go Bach versus Walker rest of the season. I had a choice there in the vampire league. And I went with Vogel Bach, but I was latching onto the short term righty heavy schedule that the Mariners are facing. And we talked. We've talked a lot about the offense. It's better than you think it is my year in the office leagues. Seven fifty. It's not it's not just pursell. Oh, it's good. Kind of anger IX war concern is the whip is like one point eight, oh, how do you even do that? Well, childhood he could do that. He didn't even know. This is actually these in question over under most aren't over under two home runs this year. I did not see more than twenty the now. It looks clear. I didn't either he's got an amazing shot. Because I mean, this guy's twelve fifteen homers in the Bank and a bad year unless he misses substantial time to injury, obviously. So that gets into twenty. Yeah, I'm over. But he did not have a home run on a stolen base in the same game. These players did it's the combo meal. There's a whole lot of them starting with Thursday Leona Martine who I kind of liked the season Cleveland going to get Linda or back possibly this week, and he signed Carlos Gonzales, and he goes right into the number three spot. I mean, that's how bad the lineup is like he should be betting six any thoughts on cargo. I think people are interested. They haven't started adding him yet. But if he hits a home run today, they they will it's easy to say, he's not. In course, feeling any more. You're gonna stink. But that's not really fair because we know that being a course field player, you're not gonna hit as well and the road. But if you're not hitting it on course feel like cargo will not this year. That's different e might be a fifth outfit or fancy I think he could be a fifth outfielder fantasy. Yeah. Probably prefer to mix and match with them. I'd prefer the daily leagues have more control over each. And every game I'm gonna void all the ones against left. He started. If I can for example, and I'm going to exploit the favorable ballparks. I will probably try to avoid them in any other tough circumstance Tropicana feel for example. Yeah. You're right. That's right. Like Martina little out Phil Bowers Martine cargo it's better than the was March numbers. Now are actually pretty decent member. He had that bad first week. Yeah. No, he's he's a potential fifteen Homer. Fifteen steel guy. How many do that Cody Bellinger and Elvis unders on Friday, Sarah, Colton Wong and Brian Anderson of Miami. And then Bernie Anderson did it again on Sunday watching the chemo even notice to look at the last back to back combo meals. I'm sure it's happened trout. Probably I'm sure times last year, but get it for you, so Cesar Hernandez affiliate also had a home, run, and stolen base. I don't think the Phillies are gonna run very much this year. They ended the week two steals and on one of them gave capital was actually angry at Hernandez for stealing the base because it's the bad out of my friend goes hands. And I thought jeeze not stealing twenty bases and says are probably not doing tain. They're just not going to seal. I mean with that line. They don't wanna run, but Brian Anderson seems a little under eight to me with consecutive. He's not a base dealer per se guy gonna still ten, but I. I think there was more power lurking there like maybe eighteen homers for Brian Anderson with six steals at third base outfield. Elgibility there's something there, right or not. I think. I think there's something the big problem. I have with Brian Anderson is that I like a lot of his game. But he hits too many grounders. I mean, this is a guy who had fifty two percent grounders last year that it's tough to get to twenty home runs when you're doing that. I mean, this was the Christian yelich problem in Miami. He fixed that though he is in fairness, he is elevating the ball a lot more the ground. Obviously, it's a very small sample grumble rate of thirty three percent at this stage. So there are some changes here yellow doesn't homered since the first week what a bust. Getting tickets online can before to complicated with hundreds of sites in varying levels of reliability. It's hard to know who to trust. And that's why seek is the way to go. Seek pulls millions of tickets into one place. So you can easily find the seats you want for price. You're willing to pay. There's nothing quite like being there in person and seeking. We'll get you closer to the action for a great value seeking Zayn and make your ticket buying experience easier than ever by searching multiple ticket sites and grading every ticket based on value. Seek helps you immediately identify the best seats to fit your budget. Plus every purchase is fully guaranteed. 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All right. So, but I guess my point there is like nothing's really changing when it comes to the closers, and it's making hard for people to find actual saves offering agency Phillies not getting saved chances. That's part of it. The the save on Sunday was a basically their last relief pitcher who was left Jose Alvarez, Greg. How try to hit somebody on Sunday that would have been a suspension, but he didn't he has his so little command. He couldn't even hit this. Nothing. Right. It's changed. I'll tell you. The only thing that's been solidified that the closer by committee is very real. I do think you're running out of time to add Geremi Jefferson. The brewers will be activated from the Angeles today. And I'm not saying he gets the first save opportunity this week overdraft ater, but he's getting saved chances really soon. He is substantially better than anyone else. Although than hater in that bullpen. Yes. Talent wise. All right. So speaking of the combo meal going back to that. Because you know, me I always go like seven conversations ago the last consecutive guide. Also happened this weekend. It was Sanders. So basically, our show note is wrong. This is the thing they had that postponement the Texas game there. So there was no game in between Anders to work consecutive the last guy before that was yawn Moncada last year, April almost a year ago to the day. All right. So yeah, I'm just reading the note. Let myself leave it to me to correct it what twenty five minutes into the show. Twenty five minutes in. Okay, good. That gives me an angle we're not twenty five minutes in. All right. We're twenty one minutes and twelve seconds in. All right. Well, let's just move on the next thing which is the schedule and by the way Curtis facing somebody's pretty good right now. Louise, St. oh looks great. And we shouldn't forget that. Last year was kind of two has released. Joe is this top twenty starting pitcher right now. Yeah. Yeah. At the end, if you really mean, it, no, I we'll think about what's happened with some of the injuries in the tier between fifteen and thirty. I think that. Yeah. Custodio especially the ways pitching right now. I'm going to treat them that way. Would you rather have Louisa steel or Herman Marquez of the Rockies who threw the first shutout of the season on Sunday, by the way, should us used to be a thing s your grandparents like there was a leader board and everything for shutouts. Right. I mean there was like like like Steve Carl would have five shutout this season or one Ryan guys like that. And now, it's like a guy got shut out. It's like it's like having no hitter hitting for the cycle. It's so rare the leader in shutouts typically matches my number of game of thrones episodes watched. So there you go. Why did you bring that up? So I can't talk to you. Onto the bus for this here knocking to watch any and up had no chance watched seven seasons in three days. So I knew that was coming. So I have nobody and the kid who's not here for some reason. He he doesn't watch it. So, but so her Marquez top twenty and I think Lewis Kostya moved into top guys have left is there. Anybody top twenty just left other than like cleven injure for injury like a guy who because of performance, you're like it. I didn't cool anymore. I don't want any part of that guy. Let me see if I can pull up the list here. More top twenty was number twenty one which shocked me like he went twenty-first amongst when we knew he was hurt. But to go twenty first among starting pitchers, Corey kluber. My concern is he out of your top twenty nine out of mine. As a matter of fact, he's not out of my top ten yet. He's getting there for me. Walker? Bueller? Seattle top twenty. He's looked terrible. No. But that's another one. I'm a little concerned made no changes to your top forty. Well, no. You don't have to I'm. Yeah. I know I took somebody else out of there. I'm trying 'cause I'm looking list. Well, you look well Trevor Bauer and Cleveland's revamped lineup at Seattle. Seattle's not going to win more than they lose the season. So be careful of Mariners pitchers. They still have enough depth there. Cleveland can't hit it all so Kuchis to me seems like a pretty good option for today. Matchmaker on ESPN. Plus at Minnesota. I liked that offense. I think it's a borderline top ten offense. I don't care about how many runs they've already scored. Are you still union shooting? You have the shoemaker y pitches. Well, don't you? We shoemaker you Darvish comparison last week who you starts. Now, you're going to say Dar's because he's at Miami. And at the terrible offense, Brian Anderson notwithstanding, but I'm not using you Darvish today. Okay. Even Miami Miami's Tanna against philli on Saturday. Brian Anderson's the professional hitter Curtis Granderson hits right handed pitching take a walk against them. So on Castro's fine. I would not use Darvish today. You would I completely see your point. But I'm still using Darvish. That's a huge ballpark advantage. Walk. Five. He didn't walk anybody's last dining. But he's still didn't have any command. And that's what you can't just you can't just pick and choose which of the games matter to you that his first start is more relevant than the most recent -actly people. But people look and say, oh, he's he's awesome. He's not he's not so awesome. It's just that in. I could take a cornet and flip it with these two, but I'm gonna shoot for the upside, especially if I had the ballpark advantage here for me, it's going to be Darvish I think both deserve to start. Yeah. I can make the case. I just I just I decided I wanna know shares Darvish to they must grove who is yet to a now he is allowed nary run so far earned run. So far, it leads the majors in the IRA. Third an oath sixty something must groves number one as facing Matthew Boyd. Now. Detroit's offense doesn't excite. But Matthew boys strike out guy, so musk grove and Boyd who do you better for this game? And for the rest of the season. I'll rank muss grove higher of these two. But the point there is absolutely something with Boyd. I think that that considering the team around him. I think a lot of the supporting numbers are going to be tough to come. I I don't wanna make this simply a winds case. But I think Boyd is the guy you take only for the case. And I don't think there's going to be much else for you. The rest worries me ESPN, plus comic you it's a to start week isn't the other one against the Yankees. I think I'm not sure I know the get Kansas City. This might be my simile comic. You Frankie montage. Sometimes I get confused. You want me to be honest. You're using McCue at Oakland could hits in Texas. All right. Well, that's not so good. But I think the first of all the games already started this week. They're playing baseball in Boston. When we started this show. So it's too late to make your rostrum the week. But to me comic was top forty starting pitcher who you have every week unless it's cores, and it's one outing. What else that I want to ask you here? Max fried really starting at a home on Arizona's there's well some change in the Braves rotation. We didn't mention about the two key to sound recall, the mini pitch well and relief six innings six hundred innings. If I recall are the ways, maybe it was an owner and run and he'll take. Who's he'll take Sean Newcomb spot? They do they demoted show nukem. That moated Cal Cal, right? They're going to activate Mike Fulton avenue on Saturday after a rehab start believe it's tomorrow. No today and freed we'll get to starts this week actually, very good to start value watching this Baltimore Boston game. And I can't tell the players. There are warning number forty two Wednesday ESPN has natively in J hap-. I actually sat half this week and a weekly panicked. Probably. Well, it's against Boston. I think it makes sense to sit him ESPN. Plus, the former interesting Brad Keller who I like, you know, I like at the White Sox and Lucas Chea Lido. You can't be using. You can't be using. Yeah. I know. Bullpen guys even have though for the long haul or you know, I think has fine. I think it's just a bad bad a couple starts, and if it was a lobby wouldn't care, but it's not. So we overreact would use Corbin burns on Wednesday at home against the cardinals. I actually dropped them in a league where probably shouldn't have I wouldn't the command isn't there so far? Well, it's not just the command last time guy gave up three homers and three consecutive games. Start a season ever. Well, command contributes to that. Yes. He's not walking a ton of guys. But leaving me into Chris Davis home watching bat right now, you know, he's like meatballs coming up after this hash Browns. I think that's reading them. And we'll do that. After this. I can't believe it that Philip brought his little brother on our mission into orbit long until it got their loan. We get there. I'll get there. No. I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with gyco. What button do what's this button? Do. What's this button? Do this. I believe that guy. Go could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. We didn't actually discuss before the show Dobbs. If you don't want to read them, I can read them, I'll leave it up to. I mean, you know, I'm I mean, let's get this straight. I'm pretty baseball savvy. If you know what I'm saying. So so I'll read them listen. Come on. How about read one? There's one from a friend of mine that I wanna be able to read. All right. Is that? Okay. Can we do that? It's your show. You can do whatever you want. This one is actually your show. This one is from our friend Dana in Hawaii. And because I lived in Hawaii have a soft spot for Dana. You live in a way, I did live in Hawaii much that we don't know about you. I know I know Dana wants to know has Brett Anderson become more than a streamer. You know, stream Dopp. It gets me the way we get you singing on the shell. Well, because Dobbs the only person who understands my music tastes. That's right standard. The kid. Probably listens to just you know, he doesn't listen to music the kid isn't Zizic. Yeah. They sing the voice. I don't know. Old stuff. Like, there's one show where they sing. I do know that song. I will say it's not one of my favorite sons. But it's Molly crew we have here. All right. Answer. The question there Anderson you like him, I either left. He doesn't throw hard Oakland ballpark helps them. But I can't he's off to start. I'll say that. And when healthy bread Anderson has done things, he's not like it was a decade ago. He was good. I four starts to sixty three era locate rate, no say, no when he was good. If you recall, he was one of those rich hardness entry prone pitchers. I mean, he made seventeen starts last year thirteen year before thrilling year before that was called his fan, graphs page and look at the number of starts on here. First of all look at the number of stops between the majors and the minors. Then look at the starts totals only twice in his career to even get to twenty starts at one professional stop I and that's thirteen professional seasons. But you could was using the orange out of getting some decent news streamer streamer. I would use them at home next door. What against Toronto if it's at home. Even if it's on the road, they're not until until comes up. There's nothing to say he's a stream yard did that. That you never listen James words. No, you can't. That's that's not can't change a couple of words and making mind, I mean, aren't all the musicians doing that nowadays a child you don't listen to anything. Anybody says, wow. I think I wanna read more questions. I actually really like talking to you guys is that okay? I want you to of scores. I want you to read the first question. That's in this note, not all of the real question because you know, the kid did about this one goes directly to Tristan. No, okay. I don't wanna know. This question comes from Eric nominee note. Not you Eric different aarc seems to be a given that trista needs to adjust his stance on Monte. What are updated expectations? That you're not gonna even admit that you were wrong. If you win them EP honors, I will admit I'm wrong, if he wins every come on all been I'm wrong on Memorial Day. If I if it's clear that I'm wrong, but you're going to call me wrong today on April fifteenth. That's nuts. No. I'm not gonna call you wrong. I called you wrong in February. I do think that the concerns I raised are absolutely still there. Well, no, the concern you raised was about being demoted. That's not. No, I did not that was other people in the industry. I was not all that the plane time could be an issue if he bets two hundred if that's two hundred but I said that I thought they were gonna play a good amount, and I ranked him accordingly. I gave him a projection that had him a full-time player. I think he's going to lead the major leagues in at bats this season because he walked so infrequently. And he bats second in the lineup like that. Yeah. I think that's legitimate prediction as not even bolt. Now, he doesn't have three walks. How did that happen? He had to walk game against Seattle. They should be ashamed of themselves. Look the bottom line is he has five steals. Six chances to home run. Four triples, the two eighties expanding our a little high. But then again, we always thought have your by couldn't bat to eighty six because of his walk rate. I'm saying Monte ends up his season. Batting two sixty two with nineteen home runs thirty nine steals. What say you? Okay. And that's actually not world's off what I had for his projection. I had a to forty five is the average though. To me. He's five seems lower than sixty two. Right. It's going to be hard to get to my projection at this point. But you're celebrating three walks which to be celebrating anything zero. It wouldn't matter. You are. Me how many times he walks. He's in his case. It does not matter because he's not the Gordon. He's got pop and every time he gets on he runs. So to me. It doesn't matter if he walks twenty times this year, my projections still stands now that doesn't mean that you're going to be drastically off. Have you best forty five and I don't care if you're offer on I'm just saying. Thirty five aces manga, you do what you cut out for a second. There. He can do what thirty thirty five bases with ease. So you compared to the Optimus on Monte are being the pessimist because the people who wanted Monte and buy in the top twenty five overall player level. We're expecting fifty steals. Thirty five is being very realistic. I have major concerns still about his discipline at the plate the guy still swinging on strikes. He has three walks. That's pretty much the same radio last year. It's appoint six percent. All right. What's next next question? We have here. Eric home in this one comes from Miami sports minute, which feels like we're just giving Miami sports radio some ten here. But that's okay. Having trouble with my lineup this week too late too late now to do it for this week. But is it crazy to consider plane Vogel Bach over Matt carpenter or how about a lawyer over Eddie Rosario? Tristen? Give me the final numbers this season on Dan Vogel Bach. If I tell you he gets five hundred played appearances five hundred okay, then he's probably batting. He's probably another guy number or or high. I think it's high high playing every day. Not every day pretty much not facing tough lefties, but that's not every day that all right? So so four hundred eight no I like the number you're going at because it gives the ceiling for the player. I think he's fifty s they're gonna play until rights and he's capable of twenty five thirty home runs. If he falls into that kind of playing time, I think he's batting somewhere in that to forty range. We talked about a minute ago to forty I'm not a big Vogel Buckeye. I Meyer the hour. I admire the walks. I don't think he gets there because he's got a leat discipline. I think he gets there because pitchers aren't really challenging him as much as you think. They are somebody's guys the three outcomes guys fall into those stats. So I think it's crazy to sit Matt carpenter for Vogel Bach, and you probably agree with that Illovo Eddie resort again. I wouldn't do that. Either. All your in your lineup every week. But he did have two homers over the weekend or something like that. Yeah. The Anki so against the Yankees. He's good. He's going to be fine. I kept telling people that he was. But he kept. Getting dropped anyway, which was a mistake. But you don't have to listen to us. Okay. Anyone really enjoying the way the AL east is unfolding so far any baseball fans. Weren't Handke's Red Sox fans bet they're going to be enjoying it. As a Phillies fan, I seven join us. I'm really not. I mean, they lost fifteen runs in Washington. A game. They lost moral intended to the other day. I don't know about the back end of the pitch. And I've thought Zach f was safe now. I don't I think Nick prevent ends up in the bullpen and throw ask us at some point this season. The lineup is fine. Stop complaining about people wanna say Hermanas bench because he was also star for Kingery stop. It's two weeks games. But the pitchers you can tell them for. And then somebody one of our friends was trying to get Dave Roberts offer me weekly league and expert league. And I was like, I'm not selling low and Robertson. I don't know if he's getting to saves ten saves or twenty it could really be any of those three. So I'm not doing it. That was in labor. Yeah. And a reasonable offer. He knows how Freeland more than most people but room for Kyle Freeland. I'm already using either Pablo Lopez or Zach Davies in one pitching spot because they're both the reserve guys. So I can I can't activate book a room, but I can actively one of them. But I'd have to sit them both took on freeling. I don't wanna do like Davies was a play this week pitch. Great at Dodger Stadium. Lopez. Does not look so good. We both like him. And it has not look good. He's not going deep into these games. He's not been officiant. I do want to keep him rostered just a case. But you know, if you ask me cow versus Davies versus Lopez, take free Lynn, but I not room. So it's a different thing. Plus he wanted he wanted to Austin dean who I like wasn't gonna Homer today against RBIs. On that one. By the way. You can't reserve original, right? I can't reserve anybody. I paid money for you're going to be pressed because of where Robertson is to kind of give them away. So listen should keep that even if he doesn't get saves. He should have seventy good innings, which is fine for only twelve team. Right. You don't have much choice, but to be patient. I mean freelance actually a respectable offer. It's not like a completely logo. The offer was fair. I told him I just don't have room. Like he wasn't asking for. It was like Austin dean possess Davies for free, which is, but this is unusual to people who play the games where we just these guys. Can't just shuffling off to the side and worry about it later that's fair. But there is a case of made for two for one trades like ESPN league, we only three bench boss, right? If you like your bench guys or one of them is a guy who's injured you may not have room for two for one trade. So that's fair to all right? Let's get some more questions. K next question comes from John panic time on Jose Ramirez yet over the past three seasons says numbers. Have been better pre all star break. So is this early season slump concern when it comes to him reaching expectations? What I like about you the asking these questions is that like one of the questions could be literally do you like Huckleberry Finn this week? And you wouldn't know that he's not a baseball player. So that's okay. Not a huge huge. Kyle handle everything. But you know, what? Sometimes I can read words on a paper, and you can. But I'm saying like we come like a name Cayo plan question. It isn't even a real player on the day that he's gone. So I kind of silly that I don't see that. But if he puts Steve Gelson there instead of Jose Ramirez, you were read it and thought it was a legit question. I would've probably said Steve Steve gilkisson too. I probably would have said it wrong Danny which team to talk sheriff in play for the Yankees. Probably got everybody. So Jose Ramirez is not doing so much tristen one forty batting average. He's not walking last year at one hundred six walks two safari to no power three steals and three chances. I was not a good week for them either. I think there's reason for concern. But what are you gonna do can't sell on low on a top ten player like this? When they get Linda back it should help him. But do you think like pitchers figured him out? Like it was in the playoffs last year struggle. I'm trying to remember what happened like last season. The best of timber memory serves. I I. I. You know, the point that really rings true at this time of year is that it's affected seventy as or twenty innings pitched for an elite Ramirez got numbers here. It's final fifty two games last season. He better to ten where the three seven slugging. So he was bad in the last six weeks of the bats fifty two games a third of a season two weeks. Yeah. Okay games. I know you wanna listen to everything I said, but that's like something was wrong. They're like either sitting many ground balls or injured or whatever he had a month or first half. Also. Yeah. Thirty two homers and twenty five steals after hundred five games, and then it stopped. So one thing he has been doing he's hitting a lot more fly balls. He's just let his game considerably. And that's gonna kill your batting average. The other thing too is I wonder is it a sign he could be pressing knowing that he has to carry this offense. There could be a little bit of that. But you can't give up on the sky. No. But if. You've got him in a league. And you're like what do I do? You're probably going to look at trades for other slumping players or like Machu maker, which shouldn't do. So I think you gotta wait to set same as Corey kluber. You gotta wait it out. And if he kills your season because he does for four months, and then so be it. But you can't trade disguise the proper value. The reason I throw the seventy and twenty is that if you're going to trade him and sell low at the stage, whoever you take back if you're going to get a hot performing player was drafted in the third to fifth round. You know, they're going to have a slump at some point. That's about the same length. Asus. You're buying someone else's slump absorbing two slumps into your ledger. That does happen. That's just how the statistics work, and it seems to me the best way to to fix your era or batting average is for the players who did that to get better kluber is not going to finish with an era of six it'll get better. So when the starts like I did bench for so this week in my league hat do. But like it keep Jose. Mirrors because when he doubles his batting average. You'll get the good stuff, by the way, hiring is challenging. But there's one place. You can go were hiring a simple, fast and smart place where growing businesses connect to qualified candidates. 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And you wouldn't realize if it was a real business live read or if I was making Kristen's t shirt and doughnut emporium. So now, I see Wrangler common. But no, I I would not re I to look before the show. Okay. If I saw I saw Kristen's jungle emporium I would Google it before this was real T shirt. And don't, sir. AM him totally could fit with trista brand. I'm going to bet a large number listeners would be right there. Let's get gotta help me out. And gotta get started on this, right? After the show. I'm so down. There's no cop here. I would Google make sure what I was reading was legit. Although I'm going to go right now, ZipRecruiter dot com slash cab. Real. But literally if we head Williams into a question you would. Ted Williams, come as a really common name like there has to be more than one famous Ted Williams. I'm just saying I totally agree with you. I'm right there. I say Toronto's catcher Steve Gardner. You're going to read that will lead that I will have -solutely read that. Are are walking his dog. I don't even know if he listens anymore. I don't even know if I'm gonna text them right now. Juice the orange Donut. Why not we? Wow. Wow. We have three more questions here. This one comes from Kyle. First time long time. Did you know that an empty roster? Spot would have been more beneficial to your team than Rick pursell this far not a question. Just more of a PSA. Thanks, hang up and listen. All right. So. Well, that's that's that's actually true sour. Rouser sour better than taking herself. Mistake in buying herself for whatever six dollars twelve team fifteen mixed league. Whatever it is. That's not a mistake. I do believe in fairness here that empty roster set spot is probably also more beneficial and having Chadwick. Sela was the number forty starting pitcher chosen ESPN average love drafts seventeenth round where you buy them. He's currently down to sixty nine point nine percent roster, which is means people are running away, but they really shouldn't be running away. He's got he's got a track record of not excellence he had one excellent season, but of competence, would you would you really drop them? I mean in our game. If you're doing the streaming thing. Yeah. He's probably below that line at the stage, but that's a really small under ninety strikeouts. Last season in one hundred ninety one innings. He won seventeen games with a whip of one point one eight all those numbers are well above board here erase high always because he gives up home runs in anything. What will restore league you're referring to it was it was the office like. Yeah. And now in that case, it's thirteen mixed. He needs to be on a roster. Yeah. And he's on minds bench. But he's on my roster. I mean, I don't know only one in which I think you can make the case for cutting him just because that does fall that from last year falls into the streaming category. Like, I added like Trevor Richards this week or whoever I don't even member which league is good drop Priscilla for Trevor Richard that silly can't do it. All right. I mean, kind of has like. Kind of has like a hate for persona, which I can't understand you really does not person. But like there's something about Priscilla that really grains gears somebody explained to me though, Siri in all seriousness about the Red Sox rotation. What is going on Rick for sale over says you Darvish who? Would you rather roster? Darvish. I don't with that. Really? All right. I could be wrong wrong before. I don't win leagues. You do. I mean you win literally every single league. And I finished second place in half. And they're going to get there. Going to have completely different years. I mean, that's the ultimate apples and oranges question. You want to make the case for Priscilla? I don't have a major workforce was a top thirty starting pitcher last year and number forty and drafts. I would not take him over Darvish. I'm not giving up achieved. What questions the final number? Gimme the final the final line. Well, right now is a joke, but it's eleven innings final. Look if you told me before the season final numbers per cell pretty much like what it was last year with a lower K rate seemed a little bit high but four twenty or a better whip in relation fifteen wins for a good team and almost one hundred and seventy five strikeouts. That's work for solo every year. He's havard. He's at one hundred eighty one strikeouts or more in each of the last three seasons, including the bad one. Yeah. We're buying low. The crazy thing there is actually believe in the strikeout. So I'm the exact opposite with Celo. That's what I think is erase gonna end up over five come on. I think he's too variable ratios he does scare me. He is on the team that will support him and get him wins for no apparent reason. And I do believe in the case, I think that is an actual actual skill of his there's a reason why they're getting wins. I mean, they're scoring more points than the other team tristen boy. The Orioles are winning. Okay question here. So here's the last question. Joe wants to know is you Darvish worth starting. He gets Miami. But it's tough to feel good about what he's what we've seen thus far from him with that Darvish who's that? That earlier in the show, you probably went out for a little coffee break or something. I don't drink coffee. It's bad for you. I've never had a Cup of coffee. I've had I've had one and a half cups of coffee in my life. And I am happy to never do it. Again, Chris had four since the show started Christon at least. Well, when you run a t shirt and don't emporium coffee just comes along with it. Spill the coffee. Sure, I. Photo yelling Donut. Somebody's going to create a logo for that. Shop. All right. So to say really quickly Wednesday is national bat appreciation day. I'm just curious which bat as you guys favorite, aluminum, bats or wooden, bad or. Oh, you know, what even drag out that? Wow. Right Tuesday's national wear your pajamas the work that we never read these when he's on the show. I don't know why doesn't do that. I mean, you wear your pyjamas every day to work, Eric. So I don't know nothing right now. Not even. No, I'm wearing those. You got me. I hope you you do is in this show goes to. You about normal and the kid is here. He's a teenager. We can't do any curse when you're on. Football show now. By the way, wins the next football show Dopp because we know they're popular. So I'll tell you what Monday after the draft. We're going to do a draft recap. And then you guys are actually going to be here that week for the fantasy football summit that ESPN has doing a bunch of great content. We will do a Thursday podcast as well. Wrapping everything learned Bristol trista. I wasn't invited football. Okay. I must have missed the memo. Okay. Did you guys know that on this date in nineteen sixty five the NFL penalty flag color shifted from white to the bright gold that we see on the field today. He trying to fill until noon trying to not trying to do anything. I'm just reading Kyle pussies on the note. I want his hard effort to be able to be seen and heard by everyone told him he doesn't have to put them on. Because I'm never going to a quality. Fact, I have to get ahead is a quality. I will be back on Thursday celebrating the fifty four th anniversary of that. So there's baseball on ESPN on Monday. So check it out doubleheader Mets Phillies, Noah Syndergaard, Aaron Nola. I'll take their practice Syndergaard because your big Mets fan. God. Did I say that and on the lake game Kershaw? Louise. Where's biased cat when we all right for Dopp for America? Have an awesome day. 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Lanes Is Lying w/ Zainab Johnson

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Lanes Is Lying w/ Zainab Johnson

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Definitely people will open up doors for you, because you show them that you are appreciative, you'd show them that you are related to reciprocate that when you make nothing ethnic, where like on. I'm Becky to take care of you. I love it. Yes. The air deal business. This is a beautiful view, her patio doors open, because she didn't have any pets, we don't have to worry about watching them so we can just really enjoy the air that's coming in. Although her Patty is very beautiful in a has insulated glass, so that it was a pet you have a hard time when she have a hard time doing what he or she had to do. Now we're gonna do very small podcast today. I, I was talking to, to Z about some stuff in Z was talking about some stuff that came up today, and won't you just let the, you know, later foundation, shameless. Plug listen to on TV Z where you can. What? Flo. Shane flow is you, I was telling you how many go what I was talking about on my podcast. If you guys follow me at all, you know, the I riposted a shading post, which was Tori lane to the wrapper from Canada. I just found out to know who he is. But I found out through her, yes, he posted at this video shoot that they tried to replace dark model with he called her ebony model in Evans model with a light skin model and he wasn't having he corrected the situation. And I thought that that was really great. In the he posted a post saying how, you know, in the black community minutes. Specially hesitate responsibility in dude, what's rent and. I didn't get to this yet with, so I posted this, and I would celebrating that a, you know, I had a lot of guys come into my DM like you. You're beautiful. You're beautiful, and it's like, I'm not asking you for that. I'm not asking you for Dacian on my duty a big flower. I'm Beth with the problem with bathrooms. You'll be right. He also trying to get a hand his hair 'cause they know what's up. Anyway. When I didn't get to was surely posted a bunch of people sent me Deanna saying this story is a lot there. He was fraudulent the girl, the directors of the video of the music video with, like, that is not what happened in the ebony skin, model the dark skinned model posted something on the grand saying that's not true at all. What's the what was in, in the, the comment from fruitcake? They do anything for clout. So here's the thing. So I don't really like to talk about anything without doing my own research, outweigh in Webster. Video. Okay, I'll wait in west. The video in the dark skinned girl is heavily featured in the video in the girl, the licensing grill, it, look, who he claimed they tried to replace her with her scenes are not in the video now, whether that is attributed to Tori lanes whether death attributed to the director is, whether that's a tributed like what? Whoever they are so much information in its that we don't know anybody lays on the video directed. I don't know nothing song terrible to me. So I don't know who you gotta say, nobody got records the sole was terrible in the civil service. So like, you know, and this is the thing. Like sometimes she'd go down. A a you gotta look at you perform are or artists, you need to look at your wish. It went down. Right. Because if it goes down on something that ain't hot you just have to keep in touch. But okay, so here's casino driven a lot of traffic to this terrible song now, but the mate, what will tour tour lanes at four point one million followers on it's the great. That's a damn shame. And I'm scrounging to get third. I'm at thirty two point three but you appreciate every actively appreciate but also because the foot soldiers 'cause then it don't make no sense. It can't be full. Point one million people that wanna listen to garbage in the Nick is garbage. I it's the only song I've ever heard of his, I can't speak for his music collection. I don't know. I can't be I know nothing about for nine like I said, if I sat next time on the blessed tomorrow, I would not know with him. Let me just say this just to interject this episode probably never won't played. Because I'm already is inches Reverend in his brief because I had already hit the studio going this year, dying or were door. Let's close it in just a little bit. Why she knit? Let me let me just put myself in here. Let me interject real quick from someone who doesn't know I just went today net bathroom into humongous shit. 'cause I'm all. Yes. So here we'll be shit if you don't sit you. Right. If you not share in on a regular basis, or you haven't Shad in a couple of months or weeks, you need to go straight to the mortgage. Tell them you overdo 'cause shitting quarter of the process, and I'm and I'm going to start a new campaign called women's shit hashtag women's shit. We got to hide that we shouldn't fought cause bitches is out of hand pretending like they don't shit in on Daya fought 'cause they the negative trying to act like they don't sit in. They don't they in far, while Nick is shit in fought. It isn't unrealistic expectation a thousand percent. But let me say this is somebody who doesn't really know other mistake I sat in meal. I was taking shit it tried to look at a little bit of content. Off the red did the nigga Tori wasn't. They related or lanes flames, all off the red. He's a number one whatever artists inter in Canada, 'cause images ain't got nobody. But Drake, let's keep it real day, not a factory niggers out here in China rap and moved as shit because it's not a lot of oppression out there a Canada is a lot of niggers in America, trying to wrap it shit cause Necas ain't got shit to do with ramp about how damn miserable day situation is. So everybody knows somebody in family. That's a wrap a little Taytay about the rat low low. Of little nickel balls about rat, whatever 'cause they run out of name. So the next nigga go because mega balls 'cause they went out on Mondays little this little hard x hard. No hard pass on all these Nick is not a group or not. 'cause it's Nagai file or call. Why? Bien. Corday in that why being young young boss nigger, the something like that, so that a group up on putting little acronyms shit. Funny thing even though I fouled his nickname, but they always have the net like if you think about rot nation, if you think about cash money, if you think of you gotta saying. Right. But they wouldn't a rod Rockefeller, Jay Z that he was JV. They just happened to be under you know what I'm saying? Like mopping is once you stamping, another nigga thing funny. Yo thing that means you that group bitch. You know what I mean? Like. I'm a renaissance come up to my show bitch. Bitchy bitch. What I'm saying is, like, if one of the league is the issue like why being shipped with not started by four day of star by mother nigga? I read up on his cat story because he from Maryland, on some back to south lived, the Maryland, some shit like that. So I connect with him. And I call the Nick was cute till I found it was twenty lead twenty twenty one years old. I realized I needed to jump off of that. Because it they. Yup. That's that's where we at now you know, I'm the old Ozzy did you need to Vegas, only because you said the old auntie? Have you heard this sort of conversation about a rebuke Rene Oprah Winfrey? And Gayle king wanted people to refer to them as off you get. And I was just about to say that 'cause people been calling me on C. Yes. Onto your shit in the autumn. Oh, this young people. She and they don't they can't relate to any. Body past twenty three years old being anything other than on. I mean I if it's up and down with me because off can be young shit. Some big is out here is onset five or sixteen years old. Like my mother was the aunt young because my grand grandmother, had kids after my grandmother head hits. So, you know, she was tending eleven. So as long as there. She don't translate into me. Being old bitch. I'm fine with it. But I understand women were moguls and shit like that not wanting to be reduced to some family title, because I'm not saying uncle to know Will Smith yet. I think it's very well. I mean there goes the double standard of many winning. Right. Right. But I think that it's very personal or rabbit impersonal. Unprofessional knife, first of all, I think you can never go wrong with addressing person by the name yet, I'm saying, like all three of those women. Have named. So before you say anything, give them any other title, the net you could say able or Mr. Vernet you all help us. You don't like yesterday. I will take the summit MC light. It was there. And I was I wanted to say Hello to so bad. But I didn't I didn't you know, I didn't know do. I say MC do I say this like 'cause niggers get privy about that, too, uncle me solar solar sups you like? Oh, okay. Because that's all I know you by state over that you say, like SIS out say, I will say, excuse me, because I think to start a sentence of with excuse me, you're being very clear that you, your intentions are respectful in polemics. Sorry. I'm sorry. Saying, I don't like, although in case it on SIS. I don't like it in abundance, in terms of, like that was out of respect on love, and I appreciate that. But, you know, I gotta friend. She says to so much I'm like bitch. You, you partnership is like I don't understand like deep out like I don't understand all those e pie are delicious. I do can't one in Philadelphia two weekends ago, and I grew up more being pot. They are the list I wanna taste one young Kito right now. They are still. Is is navy is made from navy in a suite is sweet. It's delicious. Hardly make babies week sugar, the same where you make everything else week sugar, they must like PK pounds up. No, no. They don't. Oh, okay. I get it. But so on the inside in the homicide dot grammar the outside it when he was he cut it to be hot. It's almost why is real life. All you a navy. I think it gives it the, the Brown crust and stuff is probably the sugar enough to send him in. Will is is a couple Nicaragua to sell being passed. So I out. I'll try be for the week is out when I gotta jump back on Keita, but that was the thing I won't say about homeboy off the rip is that any deputy league is a candidate is rapid like that to survival now inadvertently, I'm gonna wanna beautiful comments because Canada listened to the podcast and we'll say that's not true. We also what's up. I'm just saying. If we stacked up, how many league is in America is rap was versus comedy. Leasing Canada is records the it's the no comparison. 'cause this building is mostly white where we at right now. And I can guarantee you. It's the pride Bala thousand Nicholson here. That's rapid. My building the building eleventh year. That is not an inaccurate thing. Right. So that's what I'm saying. Like it only be. No niggers wrapping a he not trust from babies. Listen, the sofa. So I'm just saying it's, it's you know, whatever. So this is why the number one, you saying, renders garbage number two. Well I mean he wasn't even rapping. He was like singing on its own. It's very strange. They call themselves rappers within when you like he was featuring on this actual saw make good money or something you love like that he was saying. Will you not always wants to sing that because they know that rats shoot is limited in salt is like a comedy right around the age of forty or so, all of a sudden, visit influx, all these chicks that wanna be comics now and you like win for you, Ben, because we've been in the trenches since I one I you know, I of the sixteen she started at what nineteen you know, we've been weaving shoot. What I'm saying is now we dealing with women who, like, they forty five and we like, oh, you knew a combination of your personality. Also one comedy, because vicious know at certain point, you can't ride off that cute shit noble. Or I'm the cute bitch on the bad bitch. You know, they gotta put a profession behind that, because it's new cute, young bitches. So these Rapids note the ban with one, that is short, you can't you can't be no forty old rapper non-issue JV, or common somebody that's been rapid soa, so and so, like, even chaos worn amusing will as one you know, but I don't think Harris limited even passes twenties in the reggae. But they still say, you're not going to go down a history with, yuck. Now, we can all agree, the K R S one his teeth. Okay. They because it's so many T is like what would you got care care as one for how how? Canine damn root canals. If you spill a cane out with a K. In one lean one to that could cover the word. Really mad that breath Donegan's. He got no competition. Coming out of Canada meta fat, I suggest oil figures that wanna go rat, go to candidate until you start at us in Canada. And then you will make 'cause four league is out there that they doing shit will also something to keep in mind. The Instagram other Drake Instagram is a global platform, so much as he has four point one million followers. There's no, I don't have the demographics with Tissa show exactly where his phone with our positions. However, is does seem like he has he had had crossover in meaning American success. Let me say this, first of all held everybody, that's Watson. Hello, danny. Danny Kohl is in the building daily so much work together. The true. Staw at thank you for saying, hey, sexy legs to us. Daddy, we love you, Danny. You have any at all just to sell them. Yes, he's had his it. Sean. I know it's hard because you don't you can't see the is. You gotta look at Ono. Yes, I have miss sorry, Kottayam forward, what I will say the second thing with this. Is this? He nothing. He don't look like nothing, Tori. You don't look like nothing ham thing and let me explain something to you guys before I get into how much of nothing he'd all look. Let me just say this with things come up like this in, like, if you know you saying, like, nails eleven Jesse smallest situation where you saying something is not saying, let me just put a full disclaimer down right now. Jesse small left situation may or may not be true. Who knows? And even if they find out that it's not true, who cares because there's a bunch of shit that is Jessie small, that we see all with, with the cops with us. What I'm saying. I think I go ahead. I think with both situations either way, it is the conversation, is it really about this with syphilis of that person in their error. The conversation is with jussie smollet. The real conversation is people in the queer trans gay community are being attacked in brutalize in disenfranchised every single day in. It's going unreported in, in, in, in unknown. Remedy to go to in. It'll the same thing in Tori, laid is we don't care about him. The conversation is there is cholera them in the world. In our specific community, yet, they're even colored them in a month black with this color, cheat the long white will make over the grew net. Right. Will me they want you the lighter Asian over the darker Asia. They want use the lighter Spanish person, over the darker, Spanish birthday in everywhere. So that's the conversation so we focused on like weakest. So caught up in is Jesse lying on not that we missed the point if we get caught up in is with his name. I, I really wouldn't. Hope this, you'll be start. Lane, nothing whether or not they're lying to you. You've missed you've missed the point complete in and. Thousand percent and say say that's exactly what I was gonna say. Because to me, we let we this people that will say all day, live now nobody's gonna believe it. They wasn't going to believe they believe. No way. If you got to if people can take one situation that fraudulent out of a million situations that are not angle will because of this one thing I believe, the thousands of hundreds of thousands of millions of cases like that they was going to believe. Anyway, they looking for an excuse. And what we have to now, do on, our end is been say, it doesn't matter, whether they believe are don't believe we need to stay steadfast and stop parakeet. Like, when Jesse smaller happen, all he Bruin black history up. How fuck you black history month. The fact that sheer fact. Ironically, that we even need a black history month has should show you that he couldn't fuck up black history month, America flood up black history up to the point where we had to have a black history month, because I guess, is not cooperated in American history. And that we got a set aside time to focus on history. So when we say shit like that blase skip 'cause I know now it's gonna be like Alcee Donkin women have hard time, 'cause he lied we and it's like it don't matter. They pull in dark skinned women out of videos, and also who's the say that they a lot of people I had like we're example I put up a post what I got here three days ago, today's ago, and I hadn't account at the airport, and is Indian lady. And we already know I tell you that she's the Indian lady not native American Indian from Asia, South Asia. Okay. Thank you for the clarity. The woman goes, we already noted there's a caste system with them, and this epic racism with them across the board. I experienced some crazy wrestling at we need to talk about the inter coach, the inter race or how the races racism of like, when you see the Korea man beaten down a little black boy that he accused the Steelers shit in little boy, still nothing. It's like ages. Don't like blacks among say, all these ages that don't like blacks, this Hispanics, that don't like blacks be of Asian Americans that you'd south Asians, don't like blacks is a bunch of people that don't like blacks. And it always comes down to even though Puerto reviews the Dominican, don't get along guess what the medical don't like blacks Puerto Rican, sometimes they better than blacks Mexicans don't like blacks. So everybody finds they way even able interpersonal bullshit to not like black people. So black people. Gotta deal with the bondage and oppression and bullshit. Not only for white people that don't fuck and get it and wanna put they raise this shit down. But we also got a deal where Asians Hispanics. Weber foot elsewhere, the trickle bell a have they NAS coming think they better than blacks, 'cause they were trying to enter into the white ship because now they're trying to break 'cause anytime your article out time, more and more Hispanics about white with the fucker talking about you suck. You white and Hispanic they do that should even on the sentence when they go you even Hispanic non white white, not white Hispanic. What the fuck are you talking about that, that, that understand? Because there is there are Spanish people like if you are Puerto Rican Dominican, let's say then you are still descended US still whether you want to believe it or not of the, the, you are still part of the transatlantic slave history. Right. But so solar people right now in the United States that are being meeting. They are directly from Spain. Being European but they speak Spanish, but the from saying that I think different that the white Spanish Hurson within there is there are the people who find in the islands or something like that, who c- who are who identify as of Spanish people in, they are state. They. What are facing? Spreader somebody's acknowledging my facial expression, who is hero talents for three eight and 'cause I'm waiting to cut you off, but I want to visit would end a respectful way because it still trickles down to let me take about white people when they try to keep a shit alive. When they're trying to keep with white people decide they wanna keep a shit alive. They abso- bringing people in white, that don't have no business trip when they ask them to know why you understand they didn't even with a Jewish Americans. You understand what I'm saying where when Jews and Irish came over here. They was living in a ghetto with blacks, and that's what it was. And all of a sudden they like, oh, they got white skin. They got white skin. Little spoiled cornered, by the white. So now everybody white, and to totally disregard the sac that they keep people disenfranchised, also heat. No, the Jews. Because when it comes time for eight on June's they ready to hit on the Jews. They went up a white man went up in that mosque and he killed him. Jews right. You shot it Jews. He didn't go the Senate. I'm sorry, the Senegal he didn't go up in was like, oh, I'm I realizing white, but I'm still shoot. No, that's not like jitter. So we're shooting, right? So we start to mix his thing. This flat. I'm on so for just the shift today saying do that I'm not even close enough to, to the point where I will even side on the side of me, being Costa era, sometimes because they also be on the side of era, and they don't care when, when every when it's time to make people white that nobody was trying to make white nobody was fight about whether they was white or not until now comes down a stall fight to get all people to be white so that we can have a certain situation going on with the numbers at call shenanigans will that? Yes. Yes. Yes. This is I do understand what you're saying. I'm not disputing that at all. Also, it is, you know, a lot of human behavior is survival in any way for any person to align themselves with what is deemed as privilege or what is deemed at better. If you can do that your people do that. Is. So that's a lot of times, also everybody is trying to feel or make themselves the lead that they are better than some of right? I mean not be. I don't think like you do that. We don't do that. We have not. We have not had it in now we've learned to self hate on each other. Right. We've learned to hate one another to the point. We try to keep each other in certain pockets naturally, the process board, but I see some of that. Right. But we'll also be forgiving people who tolerate a bunch of shit. 'cause when you something when you look on the news and you'll go social media, a UC episode after episode after episode after episode after episode of white cops beat like just a situation of Michigan. They tried to keep her hus- that white cotton beaten on that black girl. That was a head cubs. When you see cops in Arizona throwaway guns in the face of a mother at father because they four your old daughter walked out of a ninety nine cents store with a motherfucking Barbie. When you see that a young man was shot twenty times while handcuffs a front of his family. And when you see a little boy. Playing cops and robbers were his friend in the park a Hiya shot up when you see a man seller Lucie, is that he is shot and killed when you see somebody walking the way is shot in the Becca kill when you see a another do get shot and killed when you see a guy being told reach there he gets shot and killed when you see a guy be pulled over, you know, ask questions in, they don't have the right to search whatever reason serve, and the, what's your office, also with your name in the office says fuck you, and then when you see a guy picking up trash around his home and somebody called him and they asked him what he do, even though he told them show them that he lived there, you know, at the at what we still ain't responded today in no kind of sucking away of fashion. We are now teaching our children had a coat with that. You understand what I'm saying? When you see a father doing a video that he's shown his son when he gets pulled over the top. Put feel key emission put it on top of the call put the license put on put your hands out. Tele that's too much shit. And we got to teach our children had a deal with cops instead of teaching Cox, had a respond to people across the board. The same way when I see footage of white guys going somewhere shooting up all the whole place. And the cops final way to take active shooter in custody 'cause they Wight your statement saying where you find a way to take a white woman running away from the cops get into a car crash. They still don't shoot her. She turned gun on them. They as the bid when you see a woman at the plate while citing the cop Clinton him in the head, he ain't like a we ate responded to that we got to be the most giving or either dumb people in the work. We nobody else was sit there watch. They people go to this type of nonsense and not have no motherfucker response within guess what? What in Memphis day puck and try to respond. Right. They should concentrate hospital. But you ain't heard nothing else about that 'cause they don't want to know that they fight back here, the fighting chains. They want you to feel like Wong as you here ain't shit happening. You down the two yet stand, and for me because my people dying envious hatred, and we have a hard time. Not only gets the people that brought us here for pression would also people that come over here, seeking to be framed for baseball contres a damn bondage, and they get here and then treat us like shit. It's enough is enough. So when I tell you, I every time I go to the mother fuck in airport, and I get some stash ios that among sucker is asking me do ongo, how much motherfucking pistachios is. And I said, let me just put a blanket, let me see what everybody thinks about this situation and I got people. Who sitting there and going on what maybe it's not racist responding? Not everything is racist. Yeah. Not everything is racist, unless you black, and then you gotta still to everything through a weather is racist, not funnel. Because sometimes the shit just happened to you is mother fucking races. If I put down Pete chess us, that's twelve dollars and you tell me what my total is if I don't want the mother of cashiers, or I didn't know it was twelve dollars. I'll tell you, I whoa will vote. But I, I guarantee I don't see. No, I don't see them saying the white people. I don't ability look like this. You gotta problem twelve dollars per staff heels. It must see when I'm ribs. I'm a why she Howard. Yeah. These issues bitch. So when Gramma problem with twelve dollars Shaw sure, but that's when they get you get you when you have to air force starving started early one of flight, a I've got up a, you know, I'm like fuck. I had time to eat. I'm running to take his time taking the seat moved to the airport. I don't even have time now to get nothing that no sipping place. Have those scrambled eggs nothing? I gotta run a he get these possessions because I'm halfway Kito. I need one focused so bitch. If you told me these stash ios was not guarding, plus the blood of my firstborn child. That's what I'm gonna have to give you because the fuck is starving. And I get tired of punctuate never 'cause I try to believe it or not. I'm trying to curse no more because I'm really trying to get it to Christian lifestyle. You understand. I'm trying to get back is there 'cause I'm Christian. But sometimes the summer Shikin only be set by saying fuck you motherfucker you know, but I said that to say this bid things that could be racist in every time I say something I think is racist, racist. The odds are always that it could be really racist or could not. But the fact that we on the situation will, we don't know whether something could or could not be racist means that we fucked up situation to begin with, because white people don't worry about whether something's races are not wanna know why. Because they don't experience racism. And then when they tell you, they experience reverse racism, which is a farce, if just because they don't wanna be hassled by the staff that you being halfway. Convenes. The racist, let you have the experience. So they've oh, what you just said to me was racing. I put up a post a centimeter said, you know you about everything. How come you wasn't vocal about the straight proper rate? And I said, you know what to be honest with you? I've been busy office. She was nonsense. I'm like fuck this bullshit. Like whatever just like that. White noise watch the statements doing the crowd, boy marching shit like with the white nigger got the March four day the muscle. They want the much more power to your nobody beat. They'll see launching. So when they sit can seem a bit was about this property. And then when I see the pride parade ship the straight proper. I'm so not to get out by that the strength proper rate when I see this, distract proper preparation. I'm like, where did that take? Check my snow way to try to get it together. And then try us Brad Pitt is the faith of it? And he ended shifting Nick style. So any white leader is shutting white because now that's how much you should masters dumpy portfolio. You know, I had bathing, evidently, these Benetton hand, we got we got kids from every port like Winston was the cartoon will came different places, and they add camping America. Right. Wasn't it kept America? When all biggest one twenty raising shit, and they kept in America without sound ranges. Not you what it was like. Why would they India kid at Dickey's wheelchair had white bits Ned, other agency, bits? They had all the pitchers. The age of wheelchair. Big is Indian bitch in the way. And it was catching America, right? Strange trying to stop cursing. Jack the planet. Thank you, as they used to play. But they had only, you know, every time we gotta unite white, you, but the white bitch was walking seeing cassia return a diverse white people always able to function in cooperate minorities, the minorities got to be handicapped like the Indian got the he was blind. They had been in the wheelchair. The black men she was always whether lake shedding curl ahead like it was always some shit. You know what though I'm sorry away from your cancer plane. Okay. Cap plan. I think that's what they said the better school bus and you know what the man is not to get mad at school by like magic. I like into but you know what? They never let the black kids do. No magic. They never let the black kids, it was always a little white what happens. The problems was at recess. I get it seems Disney's. They can do. Magic just the math is the water. I would like when I'm just old you on the war. I got myth. But if the school bus on water, but I imagine what the school bus to go into space thing school bus. When when the teacher take, Debbie a black teacher trying to take his space on the water shit. They wanna call everybody and their model but let's take the water shit. Don't nobody got no problem. And I will end where the parents, I'll be like how come every time you come home? You got seaweed internal shells and shit, your book bag because I know you don't go to school on day beach. They did other things they would sustain the with different countries. Like the magic school message back to Tori. Lay lanes lanes. And he tried to cross lane. That's why quarrel it is hard. See you made a break. You may not made up. You said a break point that I wanted you to say about ruther beautiful. If you wanna elaborate on hand explaining. That was Scheuer. So when I get up into camera stuff is you. So beautiful is registered this, but it's you'll thing the so. So, you know, I have posted along with the Tory lanes thing. I posted, you know, a lot of my closest black male friends are always telling me, how utilizing in always showing me these gorgeous black dark women like me pizza, right in that year DEA of like the black woman they wanna be which SI car launch that's, but then the women that I see them posting their women crush Wednesday the women who they come around with the women who I have to sit at tables within entertained with them in Harvey, most subpar, like skin or white looking women in shade to so far, right? Or like the women will J shaved for me. If not for me, if you are for me, it, should I understand why the bar is lower. Why in order for you to be with the dark skinned black machina vested, but she the most beautiful Dorskin black woman on. Early on within within the, the women who don't who are lighter in white looking may. I don't know where you get them from. I think that's where the I think that's the joke comes from or rather the discourse with, with people make fun of black men date that might win. Nothing wrong. I I'm never having a problem with of woman white that is also bad unless she got problem with travel with you, you need to do you go to say, I think I think the thing about that is my own you or your dismissing us four even the ones that they don't they don't even what do you say? What being the most like not looking like nothing in again. This is not wanna keeps shit saying this is no shade to the lesser, retracted white women just I just don't understand it. It's just not fair to me. And so what that to the wrote that in do also bring it to the attention of or marquesses honesty, which is on Spotify sale actions thinking is t. With Z H O win ear fee, a with c. Cry to so you should go. Check it out right now. So when I posted the story that I just shit or these situation rabble sentiment that I just shared with you guys in nica. I had a bunch of guys DM in me by bunch. I mean like a good handful saying more than this. You know, you're beautiful. I just want you to know your beautiful in a psych. I wasn't went up hosted that I wasn't looking for validation in another need inside. Forgive me. I know of uniform regardless of what you think I feel a certain way about myself. You've missed the point. That's what I'm trying to say. My friends say that I'm youthful. That's what they say. So for you don't come in my DNA the thing, everybody knows so beautiful. I mean, I'm dizzy other day to bid said she wasn't looking like nothing. She can't police station. I was dead. That's a loss story yet. Let's not miss the point. This is not about not about any person being uniform. This is about your actions lining up with your words. That's what this is about. Don't universe on the m and save it. So this, here's the thing in this, this is about this is about color ISM. This is about black lives matter. This is about Prentice about racism is somebody says something and you are not guilty of it. You ain't got the shit. Just keep walking at you're doing right. If you're at your person, the action line up with your worth, in those borrow than those actions are above board in honorable, you ain't got to say shit just keep doing what you're doing because that is exactly how you help you. You let it you don't have to say you don't have to come into my to say as, as a man of the African Dayaks via shuts. The fuck up. Shut up. I just want you to know is she? Is all you have to do is keep walking ones who come in and say, well, actually, the you're feeling guilt. You're feeling something that you need to defend. There's nothing wrong. There's nothing here either defend you feel like you need to defend something, then you gotta you have did you're guilty of something NS work that you have to do. I'm not I'm not, I'm not I'm specifically not judging any specific situation. I'm not judging person ends up with added people outside of my race. I love all people young men, women lead, white boy, girl Lou yet. I'm Kim, what you don't like Annika. I'm just not going on. What's taking if these animal that lifted my house? No, I don't live here. No more. I'm. So when Janni told me a lot of time, she posts things like this. She gets opposing arguments from people like, oh, well, you know, this is why we do this, or whatever in this, like, if you ever have to defend something that is without a doubt, right? Yes. There are generalizations made. You know, when people say, oh, you know, you know, 'cause you know that girl that used a hands when they talk relation they head. Yes. Some of us do own arms option. Let me just tell you what I'm not going to get on thing, like, no, we don't know don't because I feel attacked by that statement. Because I know there's somebody that I know in loved it looks like me, does talk like that indus- eat like that sometime. I do speak like that. And just because you say, whether you say it in a positive or negative way, I'm not going to take your insult in attach to myself. I'm not worried. I'm not wearing and so the people who. Come in, in, in place. These arguments actually this supposed to do remember when I post it. Oftentimes I posted this thing oftentimes a when a man succeed is because he got a woman, supporting a win a woman women succeed all the time with Nova right nobody. And I said, I need a good woman by my side. When I tell you, I know the guys. And it's like they missed out even to romantic. I love all the people that site yet muster support me. My mother support me might my back. My friends, my everybody made it somebody giving comedy at wonder how gay men. Show. Yeah. Let's have let people they with, you know, you, you know what it is. Like I've said this too much energy. I wanna say you rented rains summer. I mean I love it. But I don't know how she does it because I'm I'm exhausted. I came out reading by. I was at the doctor. It only he saw. Okay, I gotta head. You got some Tylenol three. Now. We have some beautiful comments, our, thank you so much for baking the comments. We're going to close up because it's late. But my call up this very sick of ice wants, you know, we have limited time I really just wanted to say hope recorded properly, I'm on my old system. We in Los Angeles. But. The points that were made were. They never not. Have we obviously agree? We have a perspective, black women that are very similar in outlook. But even that there are differences in perspective as well. So when you start to generalize and lump in put everything together, and not really take everybody's perspective. Like we spend a lot of time listening to white women although white women constantly, thank somebody listening to them and ain't get voice across an alien heard in Abyan Noord. We constantly was in the white women. We listen to women so much that at the behest of whatever they say leagues whose lives or copses coming to. Harassed of the people, because a white woman that says something at the same time, we need to give that space to women of color as well and darker women in darker people in general like black woman get so overlooked, we get overlooked, even in this violence, that is happening with police brutality, because the focus is so much on black men and black men that, while I don't a disagree Blackman is catching fucking hard, but black women accusing fucking hard to we are been may be more examples of black men being shot and killed. But let's never forget we've had a lot of sisters go to jail, and don't nobody know what the fuck happened to them. And they turn up in by the also, you gotta realize too, like the quilt. Everybody likes to say the saints not to the at school. It was gonna be on the right, the most suspected grew with people in America, the black woman, Imos, unprotected. Of people that was the nineteen sixty. Right. Yup. It's so this him near sixty years leader in there. It's there's no change. Is that it's, it's still? We're still saying it today, because it's in actual fact that best should say something in it. You wait on to set the very thing. I'm trying to what Bush. She said we got here. White women all time. We got. Listen, if you are why will move watching this or listening to this and your first instinct was to sex knock not me? You haven't missed it in agent at work to do you. You've missed it. You've got nowhere to because specially when we talked about like when the metoo movement happening in that started with Tawanda birth and she got no credit for it. Right. Because of Melissa alyssum Alana had Honey. It's been so long since Tony danza in Mazzola with a show. I can't remember like the show. Know what he wasn't. He was on. What you call with Alan Thicke. Yes, he made the appearance Alec. Whatever the belief. Believe we listen was he the afro, if y'all know if y'all know let us notices tributes. I don't know. But I will say who's the boss? Tony danza women was the boss. The blonde woman with the actual Judas let. But I think that. He was on the ala Fiqh growing pains. I think he was gonna throw ping lissi Keith. Okay. So y'all get out, but. Which is gonna be two. When I happened to wander birkhead really showcase that because black women, she was saying lead to because a lot of white men complaining about sexual harass rape, and all kinds of things. And they will say that they were unheard as she was saying. Like if you think you being unheard at people are actually listening way more than our situation so. Yes. Growing pains can't paying. Yes. So I mean I wanna take a moment to say that I was right. 'cause I very seldom I right? Especially this young lady, you, if we ever trying to figure out what happened I was gonna lay eighty divvy go. I took my agent. Chain listening. I grew up in a very strict Muslim household. She made on the b five early. But I grew up in a very strict Muslim household in a lot of things that I've been exposed to our exposed to a little bit later than everybody can even hardly watch appears promote that was which were so I. So we got to get off his, I can't believe being care. I will leave it to get rid of that, at least half episode. No, we got to click be payment. But what I what I'll say this. Black women have Tom and this is why when I speak about interracial relationships. That is the reason why speak about them. I don't give in one. Okay. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. She ranks. Right. Serang. In a racial integration. When I talk about interracial relationships. It is not tear male, black men who will with white women. If is to talk about one of the reasons why black women are the least protected respected group in the universe is because every other group of people has the male counterpart in their environment. Either protecting them or speaking for them and it into one of the Greek, whether you know, because sometimes people like batmans, she let women, but there is some you see letting men come into the fence of black women. You see Asian men come into defense of Asia women very seldom. Do you see black men, at least on the media, because I know that there are a lot of great black men. But the overall is we get we constantly see representations of these black niggers that ain't about shit that go. Latte women black from the difficult always the ones that got the mouthpiece. You talk about how much black woman a shit and. Blaming us for not being shit for them going to white women because we ain't shit. And that's what needs to be. We need to stop that narrative, and we can't be also attacked by black men while we being attacked by everybody else. So my conversation is when a black guy has comments about how black women don't look like this black woman shit, and then they turn around, and they would fat, white women, white women. And this is keep a real. I'm not gonna apologize. I'm not apologizing if you unattractive, set white woman, apologize about that, you know, that your Mira mill at the new node that and we all know so I'm not gonna politics I fat. Nobody who qualifies me for that set as what it is a well. So 'cause I know the pure nature is NEB wants the correct the situation but is nothing to correct. I'm not gonna apologize unattractive white fat. White woman. It should be at the bottom of the totem pole in terms of the hierarchy, how niggers rate women. So you cave, sit here and go black women shit. Don't look like shit, and then turn around and be with a part marginal white woman like the nigga from negativism on what was the superhero thing that was black. Magic whatever the black flash whatever the that Netflix show and they come to find out he would unattractive his light one caves, and it's like he let what you like what is the point of debt, the point of, is what you represent as chocolate, brother, and you with a woman at you holding up like she the damn that you even gave a chance to you would never give a chance to a black woman that looked like that white woman, that's the point, that's the as you wouldn't get chains. And you might find that his black woman and the Justice unattractive is your wife that would help joyous out, so you know what I'm saying? Like where we would within when needed. It's not fair for you. The tech just like wasn't. They take digs the woman. He was with a name Zell, whatever she not attractive is keeping what it is towns, which is task. What I'm saying this they hold these women like they some take on the stand the woman that you wit is, was not attractive. If you be pushing up like they so much of this. I'm telling you, when it comes to these brothers at what they deem attractive, another tractive. It's not about the looks about the skin and the reason why we see a lot of light skin, a white women constantly being applauded is because that's all they show. And then when they go to show representations of black women is always some black woman and say whatever you wanna say hope to get me kicked out of the essence festival wanna do that. But this yet is gonna track the way when it's unattractive black women. And then they wanna always put the unattractive. I'm again, I'm not saying black Ramon eternal black woman, but maybe putting up black women at either you like every black woman, you put that aprentice you ain't gotta put every black woman up there. Looking like this black women's Elliott looking? Gorgeous. I think also too there has to be away Charlotte of your economic year so few economic standing or your interpersonal. Also, they almost one second oldest thought a lot of his black into they put up this poll, and, you know, you look bad, when you pour no for real, they put me you. They married white women put him in a luxury lifestyle, which is relaxing to worry about nothing. They get the Sajjan shit like that, that will make a bitch look among here. L A, a lot of life skin, white when the bright women, where I was number bright, light skinned women, all in bitches, like they step straight out of school, scrub and spa. When I came here with us by Las Vegas bitch. I almost like it's a lot of relaxation enable stress. You know what I mean? So. Yeah. Which is good yet, when it son, all of time, you can get your anus laser shit like that get confident, and it's on bitches getting clicked surge. Gery Amos on shifts. You can't even see course bitches doing other shit my point in what I say that stock moving your Clinton rap nigga don't want to be with you 'cause you're clear the wrong spot. Get rid of that negative. I trauma best to be a solution oriented in think that they're I think part of the solution to this particular problem responding generally about the dynamics between black men who date outside the race in relation to black when that Cuna should up, yet there had to be there has to be a way to love who you love in protect who you protect without abusing some of the perfect if there has issued seven out of ten black men all with women. Seven out of ten black men or women numbers for why people we only get outnumber. But also, I'm getting my eyeballs walk out here right now. Who survey every other every nigga see and they bring stop. Bringing your white women hall. Stop winning white women hall. The stop what a nigga walk in front of the other day in hall of white bitch, varicose, veins thousand shit outta shake what stepping in front of me like he doing something stop bringing these white women Harlem go with dad, you always want to go somewhere where you can dogs wanna go. Everybody know your name. But no. This ain't cheers, nicotine that bitch with a fuck y'all need to be go skipping down her. Bam look the LES where her not walking up in Harlem, I'm trying to have African American day and I got to see why because I only once between two pm and nine pm. They got any time with all that second hand shit. I'm telling you that they got any time because when you be bringing they always act like black women white women that shit. We don't wanna see this shit. We don't wanna see this, too much, and you tell me seven out of ten black men or with women. Not lack. That is a problem mentally. There's some biz something that's going on. There's a breakdown in the system because if people are not even able to look at people that look like them in twos. Them at. Is that much of a disconnect because they seven out of ten white men seven out of ten white men in eight with no woman, eight, white seven out of ten Asian minute, with no woman aged seven out of ten whatever. So we gotta start getting shit together. If you are black man out here, not choosing black because stereotypes or disrespect that you need to get your shit together your part of the problem, and I'm not gonna clean that shit up. You clean it up 'cause we got eleven seconds left is now nine seconds. You got seven seconds. Get your shit together because guess what? This episode is over in two seconds good night.

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What Happens Now? (Ep 1153)

The Dan Bongino Show

56:02 min | 1 year ago

What Happens Now? (Ep 1153)

"Get ready to hear the truth about America on a show that's not immune to the facts with your host. Dan Bongino in June. Oh All right folks a pretty dramatic escalation last night by the terrorist Molin Iran. We've got a a lot of content on that. You're not gonna WanNa miss including something I said last night on Fox News I was a guest on Hannity with Pete Hegseth that I think we should all take to heart now before I get to open this question. I want you to ponder this for a second before we get to the content ladies and gentlemen. Is anyone really believe this ended last night. Welcome to the Dan. Bongino show producer. Joe How are you today on a rather solemn day after the Iranians thought bizarrely. It'd be a good idea to keep poking the bear. Yeah how are you sir doing well man. I'm doing well. I'm watching this thing. No I don't believe that this is the end of it. Sorry Dude now of course you believe leave it because you and I have to think like mind on these things. I'm going to get to that folks. I'm GonNa get to what I mean. I'm also going to get to a tremendous piece by Lee Smith and tablet meg. That really sums up where we are right. Now we're going about that. I've got the gist disastrous decision about Mike Flynn yesterday the sky. They just will not leave. General Flynn alone. It also Mitch. McConnell stomping on the Democrats impeachment dreams. Don't go anywhere today's show brought to you by buddies at Ali. Listen your dog. Health is as important as every other member of your family. We we all know it and it starts what you feed them. But do you really know what's in your dog's food. Ali Puts Dogs I with vet formulated recipes and fully transparent ingredients. Give your dog healthiest food. Possible this is human grade food. You could eat this stuff. I'm not kidding. Ali makes fresh meals for your dogs with real ingredients. 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They have anywhere go to my Ali dot com slash. Tri T. R. Y. Slash Bongino for sixty percent off plus a free bagger trees spelled M. Y. O. L. L. I. E. DOT COM slash. Tri T. R. Y. Slash Bongino B. O. N. G.. Yeah you know checking out today all right Joe. Let's go now as I said last night during an appearance on the Hannity show which in this attack by the Iranians happened just shortly before I went on. So we're supposed to debate Geraldo which I was looking forward to. That changed obviously probably wasn't the appropriate atmosphere for a debate last night. which I totally understand the producers definitely made the right call on that but I do want to debate Geraldo eventually on this because I as I said last week I think he has some ideas on this? That our just candidly bazaar and we debate each other a lot. But I'll ask you this question I asked before. Does anyone actually believe this ends tonight. The reason I bring this up as I'm hearing a lot of commentary terry that which is fine and it's not an accurate that this missile attack for those of you missed it last night. Maybe sleeping working. Whatever may have happened? Excuse me I mean. The Iranians decided bizarrely. It'd be a good idea to launch from Iranian territory. The first time we've seen this since the Gulf War from Iranian territory ballistic missiles into Iraq targeting US bases or basis where US personnel were stationed now to be clear. There were no reported casualties. As of this time thankfully president in trump is going to speak about it later. There are no casualties reported at this time. US casualties that is. That's the good news. The bad news is the Iranians thought. This was a good idea idea now. Some of the commentary her last night with well this was a face-saving measure. Basically the gist of it. Show being that the Iranian hardliners. The Muller's of the Mullah's the that they had to do something to save face with a radical it basically terrorists in Iran. That are pushing them all as to do something. I've heard they did this. And by face-saving. They mean this may have been intentional miss in other words the ballistic missiles may have targeted specific areas where they didn't think they would rack up any. US casualties knowing Joe if they happen to kill any. US servicemen. That president trump was not going to take that lying down and the response would be immediate and likely pretty deadly for the most everybody tracking. So we're cool face saving measure in that. They had to do something and what what they did they did. They intentionally targeted areas where they didn't think they would kill any. US soldiers because they knew if they did it would result in probably devastation. The station for them and their oil facilities elsewhere. I want to challenge that for a moment. Folks I don't think this was a face saving maneuver maneuver and I listened what I tell you this please. I am hoping and praying. I'm wrong on this but I don't believe it was face-saving job. I believe this was the head fake now. Now as the audience on Buds Mun always show follow me. And if it doesn't make sense please let me know but here's what I mean by. That had got it. Maybe it's meant to look like a face saving maneuver right. Look here's what we did. We launched the missiles. We didn't kill any your people. We'll it's all good now. You got our guy. We responded back. We satisfied are radicals over here. These extremists that wanted the death to to America crowd. It's all over guys. Waken an odd. But what if it's not. What do we have based on past history of Iranian extremists? Behavior extremists. Now run this country. Terrorists radicals savages people. Who Act like cavemen a running this country have you Iranian people? Everyday people tried tried to overthrow these people. Under the Obama administration the promptly abandoned them but the Iranians running this country now are savages. What evidence do we have that? They've d savage themselves de Caveman themselves. And now joe according to the tree by the Iranian Spokes Person Reeve. Don't worry it's all over. Yeah Right Joe you any of that. No I'm saying they're like roaches. They just keep coming back. You know no matter. Why every every single time they are not done folks? That's the problem I have with this talking point on. We'll call talking point because this line that it's face-saving implies Joe that it was done to save face as a measure to get out of this. I don't think not Iranians want to get out of this right. They have been engaged in a generational war with the United States. They have absolutely no intention of stopping. That's the issue I have right now. Folks listen you know there was a great article in in PJ media. I don't have it up today but I'll put up tomorrow where what are the headlines was about bef skinner the PF skinner what the heck. What does that have to do it? WHOSE BS psychology major talk about but the skinner box remember the skinner box? You know stimuli and Response Behavior Yeah yeah part of it is just show. Yeah I remember the basic psychology. One the point it was this the article. If you're going to act like a bully Anna Caveman then you need to be treated like one expecting the bully early in the Caveman to respond to reason is unreasonable in and of itself and what I mean by that with the article is getting at is folks listen. Nobody is against foreign excursions. That are unnecessary more than I am. But we need to live in the world we live in not live in the world. We Wanna live and this is not utopia via the Iranians are trying to create a dystopia. What I'm getting at here is the only language the mullah's again not the Iranian people? These terrorists mullah's is the only language they speak is death. That's the only currency of the realm. May Deal in and if death is what they want death is what will give them. It's not what we want. It's never what we wanted we. We don't want any of this. Let me be crystal clear. I think I speak for the overwhelming majority of people in the United States. I haven't told them all I don't need to. I've seen the polls nobody wants. It's very if you poll people. Do you want to war with Iran. The numbers are overwhelmingly. Of course not again. We want this to to stop now. But when you're only currency is death and that's the only language you understand speaking to you in a language outside site of death and destruction is a fruitless endeavor because it's a one way conversation they only understand death. There are no different than a caveman. Like school yard. Bully who's ten years old and bigger than the other kids. They only stop when the bully gets punched in the face face. That's my concern. I'm not suggesting a dramatic escalation and I'm simply suggesting the fact that this is not to suggest it's face saving by the Iranians and that they're now going to back away like like a reasonable person would do is crediting them with the intellectual capacity to reason that they don't have they are not not done. This is not the end. I cannot emphasize that enough. You know one of the great honors of my life having and been a secret service agent when you travel around the world is although we're not an intelligence operation it's protection law enforcement operation. You travel around the world. I was in thirty countries before my thirty fifth birthday. We each country and each protective. That comes into town. You get pretty detailed country briefs again. I'm not claiming where those this country briefs make you a you know the the the tip of the spear expert on every single country in the world but you get to read a lot of Intel on a lot of different places and you see common threads. Ed's often sure the common thread in this is when you deal with tyrannical regimes. And you get the country brief. They all only respond and with the currency the realm being death and that's their choice not ours. Nobody wants this. This is not some kind of a Rambo movie. This is real. It involves real soldiers gers and realize people close to the people on this station. Who understand exactly what this means but suggesting again? This is face saving and the Iranians are now going to back down because they just wanted to save face does not comport with reality. What do I mean by that? Got Some video. I've got some articles but one of the best pieces I've read all morning and all of last night and this is a piece by the terrifically Smith author of the book the plot against against the president. This'll be at the show notes. If you want my show notes again it's important go to Bongino DOT COM slash newsletter. I will email you these articles every morning. We don't spam your inbox. This is an important article. I can't recommend enough. If you're on my email. Please please read this. I'm humbly begging you. It's at good Lee Smith. January seventh two thousand twenty Iran in America are suddenly both naked interesting headline of course Horsey doesn't mean isn't referring to clothing here. He's he's referring to tactics strategic tactics. Thank you mean by this seriously. Who who've well? Let's go to take away number one. What he's suggesting the peace remember keep in mind? What we're we're we're addressing here we're addressing the talking points did this was a face-saving measure by the Iranians launch ballistic missiles against targets? Where they knew they weren't GonNa hit anything and 'cause? US casualties go back and celebrate. Look we got does Americans and it's all done it's not done. I'm telling you I think it was a head fake. Pretend it's a face saving measure to let the Americans guard go down and then continue. Can you step two. which is the Iranian decade long commitment to asymmetric warfare? Check out this buy lease. This is what we mean by this. Donald J quote Donald Trump. Put an end to that arrangement by CO mingling. The the the dust of Soleimani together with that of one of his chief Arab lieutenants Abu Madi. I'll Mohandas head of of one of Iran's Iraqi terror proxies. Okay stop that right there. We're GONNA come back to it a second. What is he talking about here? What lease say is forget this face saving thing? This may be a head fake because the Iranians real commitment JOE isn't to ballistic missile warfare. They can't win Joe. We could turn the Iranian mollahs palaces into parking lots tomorrow morning can't win a missile battle with the United States. I what are the lessons of the Iraq war which I bring up often as a matter of fact was never ever ever go to war with the United States and traditional ground war without what without nuclear weapons. Because you have no chance of winning we wipe the floor with the Iraqi army in a matter of days. He's one of the takeaways. These countries took away from it is. There's only two ways to fight the United States either with nuclear weapons where you can deter them. There's countries we can't thankful I mean we don't want to invade countries around the world but if we had a real problem with the Russians and the Chinese that sadly escalated we're limited interruptions because they have nuclear weapons doesn't mean we have no options it means we're limited. The world figured that out quickly after the Iraq war that going to ground war our traditional warfare with the United States without nukes is an absolute disaster but the second lesson they took away. That's been generational but Lee Smith is addressing addressing. Here is if you can't go to traditional war with the United States because you'll get annihilated. What you can do is you can go to war asymmetrically? And by asymmetric war we mean terror attacks terror proxies small-arms groups instigating proxies overseas ABC's takeout. US forces because as least Smith points out in his piece. What did the United States under multiple administrations do for decades with Iran? Joe What he's suggesting suggesting. And I need you to put that on Buds Manhattan. What he's suggesting here is that we turn a blind eye to the Iranians engaging in option too because they can't engage in a traditional war with the United States asymmetric war and we pretended it wasn't the Iranians doing it although everybody renew Khobar Towers Beirut that we pretended that it wasn't the official Iranian regime doing it and we kind hi and well not that we'd let any of it go? We didn't but in order to in order to prevent the United States from having to go full scale beast mode on the Iranians aliens. We kind of pretend to that. It wasn't an official thing that the attacks they were sponsoring. You get it now re. Let's go back to this opening line from the piece from Lee Smith and it'll make sense what happened in the embassy the tact era embassy just a week ago who was in charge of that. This Iraqi militia leader was in charges. The Sky Alma Honda's Lee addresses in a piece. MANDIS is now in a body bag somewhere to right alongside his Buddy Sulamani which says what you think this through. This was a genius point that trump who is is a lot smarter than these Liberal Democrat hacks media goons anti-trumpers ever give him. Credit for is now publicly suggesting by annihilating the Iraqi the Michigan militia leader Joe along with the Iranian head of the goods for Sulamani that the days of US pretending your proxy attacks are are not official Iranian government driven driven events or over. You set your proxy Iraqi Iraqi Guy. Who in the past we would have said see no evil hear no evil now? He's six feet deep in a pilot. Dust why he deepened a pilot dust because he was with the Iranian head of the coulds for Sulamani. And we're not going to pretend anymore. This wasn't officially sanctioned Iranian action that makes sense against the armacost trump is now. He's of course a few steps ahead which he is not always gonNA pretend anybody. It hasn't made mistakes but he has quietly scrapped in buried that policy that pretending. These proxy attacks like the one that happened on our embassy are official array Iranian sanctioned motions. It's over. He took out the Iraqi militia head to this was not an accident folks now. Now at screen shot one from peace. So you get what he's saying. Now your brother. That's what he's setting up. Donald Trump put an end to that arrangement by arrangement he means pretending pretending these proxy attacks or not Iranian by killing and turning into dust this Arab this one of his Arab lieutenants who was Iraqi and the Iranian himself it goes on now that trump is holding Iran accountable for the actions as proxies taken. Its name the leverage game. By helping in America play make believe in other words. The proxies aren't with Iran is gone high ran and its allies. This is genius. This is a great piece and its allies now feel deliberated to bathe publicly in the blood of Americans and warned that more violence is coming their way. What does he mean by that Folks in the past ask. The Iranians have always distanced themselves from proxy attacks and terror attacks. We knew wake in a nod. We knew but we didn't know if you get what I mean. We we knew they were involved in. Smith is suggesting now that we killed the Iraqi with the Iranian the Iraqi proxy militia leader here. And now we're acknowledging that we're not going to turn a blind eye anymore to these terror attacks now. The Iranians are quote bathing themselves in our blood saying you know what all those Khobar Towers and other stuff. Yep Yeah we're GONNA. We did that too now. In other words Joe going back to my initial point This was not face-saving folks. I believe this was a head. Fake on like a face-saving may look exactly like a face saving gesture. So that when they go back to their proxy terror attacks we let our guard down Gotcha Okeydokey. That's Great Yeah Partout by Lee Smith. He says quote a good measure of Iran's military weakness. Is that Qassam Sulejmani. The money was commander of its regular army. But rather the could force the expeditionary unit of Iran's parallel military structure the Revolutionary Guard Corps. The kids enforces relatively small with estimates ranging from three thousand to fifteen thousand fighters. I four the size of Hezbollah for protracted campaigns like the Syria. The award could sports relies on what Israeli analysts Shimon Shapira calls the Shiite international paid militias drawn from the Middle East and Central Asian countries with large Shiite populations like Ebanon Iraq Syria and Afghanistan. What is he saying here? He's given you my second takeaway takeaway number one from this segment. This was not face saving. It's a mental. Look like face saving gesture you can expect. More continued terror proxy attacks around the World Right now this second in part addresses the second takeaway of that and the reason they do that is because they've taken option to against the United States option. One you get your nuclear weapons and get them quick. Because there's no way you'll will defeat the United States in a land war option to if you don't have nuclear weapons or the capacity to deploy them you better be a terrorist group act like because that's the only way to frighten the United States suggesting any of that's going to work I'm just suggesting the attacks over and over and Lee Smith lays out perfectly there while the Iranian army against the United States relatively as measured against is a paper tiger. It can do nothing. Nothing against the United States to inflict significant military damage. We would destroy them but there could S- force of three to fifteen thousand soldiers however you however you can't whatever estimate commit you use can do significant damage around the world by continuing doing what it's done in Lebanon Iraq Bahrain Syria Yemen Afghanistan and elsewhere swear by engaging in these proxy terror attacks which now Donald Trump has pledged. I'm not turning a blind eye to anymore. That's great analysis by Lee with some add on's by me and I hope that shed some light on this. I would not fall in the face saving gesture gesture trap. I don't believe that for a moment. There is absolutely no way this ends tonight. We tried appeasement with them. It didn't in work. We exported money to them. Obama gave them their billions of dollars in cash and they exported death back to us only language they understand his death sad but true now showing you that trump is not playing games and the president's. It's not kidding around. Here's a quick brief segment of president trump in the White House who I'm glad by the way that he's been strategically pation nation. I believe he will continue to be. I believe that's the way to do take out the Iranian mollahs long-term and mitigate the threat but if you thought for a moment moment president trump after the killing of Sulamani was going to back down and try to play cutesy with people who chant death to America. You got that wrong. Here's as a brief clip of president in the White House yesterday. Just kind of dropping the hammer on anyone who believe that. Check this out. He killed an American now. Two people both are dead from the same attack and some people very badly wounded and that was one of his smaller endeavors. You look over his past his past. He's been called a monster and he was a monster and he's no longer a monster. He's dead K.. Nothing left add to that. Thank you Mr. President was a monster monster. No more here here is dreadfully disgustingly. MSNBC fulltime propaganda network for the enemies of America these days here is a clip of MSNBC. Last night airing hiring and I'm not kidding. This is supposed to be a journalism outfit. okeydoke airing last night direct Iranian propaganda and admitting it on the year without doing any fact checking on it all remember as far as we know based on battle damage assessments there are zero. US casualties thank the Lord so far not according to MSNBC which decided to air information and they admitted by the Iranian outlet trying to create propaganda had For their people they decided to put this disaster on the air. Check this out. We're just getting reports now. That a second wave of rocket loan rocket attacks have been launched launched from Iran. was saying that I totally common aid. Supreme Leader of this country was in the control center. Coordinating these as a tax This is this. I'm not sure about Iran. State media is claiming that thirty. US soldiers have been killed in this attack attack canal. This is not confirmed. This is just coming from Iranian media. But we have just stepped over the precipice Chris. We have entered a very unpredictable time. We have to see what the response is going to be from. The United States bets straight Iranian propaganda folks. Yes Sir Thirty. We use straight propaganda fed right ivy mainline into MSNBC pretending to be journalism outlet that aired that. That's it's real again edited in any way to sound over the top riper Bolic's that was real right. Let me give you one more here. One more piece of video before I move on here is Congressman Ro Khanna in one of the most bizarre statements convert. He's asked by Sandra Smith and Bill Hemmer of Fox News about what happened in the attack on the embassy and if this is an escalation and he says something at the he ended this. It's about a forty second. I want you to play Costa pay close attention to. He seems to suggest that under the Obama administration that the Benghazi gauzy attacks never happened now. He's either really dumb or he's lying. Listen to the end of this cut. This is his answer to Sandra Smith about escalation collation and where this is going to go check this out because this was not just Barack Obama but the reporting I've seen says that President George W Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney also passed on the chance to take the money and the reason they all passed they did not want to escalate a war with Iran and I believe that President Obama had a strategy of the JCP the only way that would prevent Iran from becoming nuclear and there weren't these incidents during the Obama Administration. We didn't have protests against our embassies. We didn't have the killing of American contractors. So Americans were safe at that time. Dude Dude member the Rob Snyder. He's he's very member. Rob Snyder at this comedy. Skit you know the fifteen different ways to say dude. There's a Jason Voorhees from Friday. The thirteenth is sitting around the corner. When you do your friend says something stupid dude right remember? This is one of those. You're perplexed by the man's stupidity so you say to where have you. You're a US congressman. Where the hell is this guy? Bid There were no embassy. The attacks under the Obama Administration that didn't kill. US contractors. Did this guy. Mr Benghazi thing I mean listen I get it that some people miss the new cycle because I mean some of us work for a living. You know you got a kid's soccer game you're laying bricks. You're flying planes. You're building a house. Whatever you're doing to make America great contributing to the value of the country? Sometimes we miss the new cycle. Benghazi was only in the news for about two years and this congressman amazingly missed this now the interest of course he did miss this. He's lying he's either lying or he's really really dumb. That's the kind of stuff we get from the Democrats there were no attacks on embassies. Didn't kill American contractors nightmarish. Jeez yeah all right. I got a a lot more to get to when it gets to the just dreadful treatment. Mike Flynn what's happening in Mike. Flynn is an international disgrace like a cosmic level disgrace right now all right before we get to that today. Show also brought you buddies at ALMAC. Ladies and gentlemen is one of my favorite products you know about the role of course crow freezes role on which I used to leave a AH tried to get rid of some of my horrible drivers plane pain but they have a great new product is wow. This is their recovery cream with absolutely love it. This stuff is Gray Paula. Paula had her neck was hurting her the other night. This stuff targeted pain relief gets rid of the pain. Almost instantly highly recommended wouldn't use them as a sponsor if I didn't have unfortunately take a lot of pain cry. Oh free CD. 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That Mike Flynn who hired a new lawyer is now looking ATP potentially six months in prison because the US government prosecutors the little mini tyrants. who were going after Mike? Flynn dated like that. Flynn decided to fight back when they found no information formation after he had exercised a plea he did plead guilty. Let's be clear on that he reaffirmed that play but new information to service is excellent lawyers Sydney. Any power had found some of this new information and the Justice Department. Got Upset that Lieutenant General. Flynn didn't roll over. So now they're reversing itself and asking for up to six months in prison article in The Washington Commissioner. Today's you could see the headline here by the excellent Jerry. Dunleavy does great. Were folks before i. I'm I'm really trying to stick to the facts and reason here because folks just going to be honest with you. This case really pisses me off off is decorated American patriot. Lieutenant General and our military a beloved soldier an intelligence official who was absolutely committed to reforming our intelligence infrastructure for a better more nimble. Tomorrow getting politics out of our intelligence community a guy who vocally in his against his own political interests interests. He didn't have any because Obama loved the Iran deal vocally fought against the Iran deal knowing it was a disastrous been proven. Right is now looking at six months in prison because he became a target of the US government. Barack Obama was running at the time. Ladies and Gentlemen Gentleman this is a stain and a disgrace to our country. That's GonNa be hard to match. Can you imagine walking walking out perp walking this guy would hang cups and putting them in a prison cell after everything he's been through. Now let me just be clear. You're on this. Just this is dead. We all know that justice is still blind to Democrats. It's not blind anybody was societas themselves for Republicans like Mike Flynn. Justice is just blind to Democrats Democrats. You get a pass if you're someone aligned with the Democrats like former deputy director of the FBI. Andy McCabe who. Now according to multiple reports has admitted to lying to the FBI you get a pass. You're good but if you're Lieutenant General Mike Flanders interviewed by by the FBI the FBI then goes back to the office after an ambush interview at the White House. That Jim calm your admitted to doing remember Jim Komi dopey Jim Spineless Jellyfish Jellyfish. Jim Remember that interview agents over the White House because I knew there was chaos in the White House early and I knew I could get away with it. Because he's a slimy sleazy piece of garbage coming so they ambush interview Flynn the FBI returns to the White House. And it says we don't think he was being deceptive in the interview about his conversations with Kislyak the Russian ambassador magically despite like the fact that they said he didn't think he was being deceptive I e for the Liberals listening to understand basic English. He wasn't lying. Flint magically gets prosecuted for lying Now Fair question because we reason on this show on like the dopey liberals who do emotion only all the time because they hate you when they can't stand you I say well why didn't Flynn General. Flynn plead guilty pleas. General if you follow the case. It's obvious they were threatening his family. They were threatened threatening to take away everything everything he had. He didn't believe he had an option. Right for. And by the Way Ladies and gentlemen if you have now you're free to your opinion man just suggest to the Liberals Liberals listening if you haven't worked in the law enforcement space in your grossly unfamiliar with how this works. You may want to take a hard pass on commenting. Believe me I worked. In the federal government people take plea deals for all kinds of reasons. Typically related to their guilt thankfully sometimes related to their guilt on the fact that they have information to provide sometimes because they think they can be nailed on a process crime even though they think they did anything wrong and they don't want their family going down to Mike Flynn was set up folks. Now I don't Redo segments but this one's import- because you may have missed it and if you missed it this is going to open your eyes as to what really happened to lieutenant. General Flynn who is now incredibly looking at prison time for a crime crime. He didn't commit. While the Liberals these I had a twitter back and forth with that Colossal Moron from the Clinton Administration Remember Joe Lockhart that Slob. Who worked for Clinton who defended his his perjury committing boss remember slob Lockhart back and forth? Yesterday he associates associates would felons trump. He said to me on twitter trail is like Mike. Flynn Listen Lockhart. You couldn't wash my Flynn's underwear you slob. Perjury gery defending boss defending loser. You don't have Mike Flynn's fingernails or braver than you are. You slob disgust me call and flint a felon for a crime. We know he didn't commit and he's proud of it. This slob gusting filth. You are what happened Flynn. Let's go back to the I G report. What is set up here is this is the inspector general report that looked into the operation to spy on the trump team and they found out something in this Piece I'M GONNA put up in a second. There's a very specific date that comes up. Multiple all times edgy report. That's fascinating had dipped to seven nine on this of August tenth. Something happened on August tenth and I believe what happened just like the fake head fake. I believe the Iranians are pulling on us. I believe was fake because what the. US government under Barack Obama really wanted to do to the spying operation was they wanted to spy on Flynn because Flynn was directly connected to trump and because flynn was an advocate of scrapping the dreadful Iran deal the Obama Administration. I hate him for it. Their goal was to always buy on flint so something happens on August ten. Look at the I G report here. I'm GonNa just read this. This is a quote from the Inspector General's report by the way I'm going to read. This is the second half of it of this quote here by August Ten Twenty Sixteen the FBI at assembled investigative team of agents and conducted initial analysis of the links between trump campaign members in Russia. Based on this analysis the FBI opened individual cases. Remember remember the date. August ten under the crossfire hurricane umbrella on three. US Persons Popadopoulos Carter Page and Paul Manafort for all were affiliated with the trump campaign at the time the cases were open but wait six days later on August Sixteenth Twenty sixteen the FBI opened the fourth individual case on. Mike Flynn who was serving at the time is that trump campaign's national security advisor. Follow me here covered this last week in some of you missed it because a lot of the spy gay people usually email me. We come across the gem some of you. I think we're confused by this. Why wait wait? Six days later to open a case on Mike Flynn on August sixteenth. If you already opened up cases on August tenth on Carter Page George Popadopoulos important metaphor. Maybe because your original intention was to open the case on Mike Mike Flynn the whole time I opened the case. On Papa D. Manafort and Carter Page was the head fake you needed to make everyone believe that your initial intention wasn't to open up your Akeso on Mike Flynn. That's a real head fake. Yes that's it you got it. Yeah now what makes you say that. How do you know that Dan that an Augustan? It's ten probably wanted to open up on Mike. Flynn and waited a little bit to pretend that Mike. Flynn wasn't the real target. How would you know that well? Let's check out the dossier a that. The FBI claims that didn't have September nineteenth which we know is colossal. And let's look at this little dossier memo from Christopher Steele which we know is making taking its way to the FBI. Look at this. Look at these highlights Luke Kuhn magically appears in the dossier this point. Oh Oh Mike Flynn let me read you. This little bullet point from the dossier Christopher Steele we know is feeding to the FBI Kremlin engaging aging with several high profile players including Stein Page and look what appears in there and former Dia a director. Michael Flynn and funding. Their recent visits to Moscow. Hold on hold on hold on one US ladies and gentlemen please again. I with the greatest of respect and humility ask that you subscribe to our Youtube Channel YouTube dot com slash Bongino. It's free for the video version of show because it may help. But it's not necessary here. Joe Can you see what's on the screen there. Yes I can Dan okay. I'm GonNa ask you a question. I'm not messing with you. There are thirty three names in that. Last Bullet Point Stein Stein Page and Flynn right looking at the format accepted. What's the difference with? Mike Flynn's name compared to Stein and page. Well it's it's after them for one thing yet. Paula gets it. What look at Flynn's name but look what are the took his case? Yeah yes thanks case. Why why is that? Why is that now? Aw granted and I always tell you what. I'm speculating and I am now. But does it appear that that was just thrown in there. Every in the dossier everywhere Putin Stein page is capitalized. Bless name yet as we say again in this dossier that we know made it to the FBI. It appears that Flynn was just thrown in there. At the end the Kremlin was engaging with these targets Tynan page and it looks like they just added this. Oh by the way and former CIA director. Mike Flynn like it was an add on. It's the only only four matic structure looks different than every other name. Ivanoff Clinton Pirot capitalized and they don't include a first name. What this seems to be thrown in at the last minute now? What date was this dossier supposedly written and delivered? What was the day? Let's check page to the dossier. What's the date at the bottom of this sucker? Oh August sixteen. She's how does that happen. How does that? That's just crazy here. We go again. Carter page page capitalized. Mike Flynn just thrown in and former. Dia Director Mike. Flynn not capitalized as if it was added at the last minute on August ten so the FBI opens up their case on July thirty first the spying operation against the trump team. Of course they want to target Flynn for a couple. A couple reasons why the Obama administration hates him because he didn't support the Iran deal. Brennan really hates them. Flint's target since two thousand fifteen. We already know that based on his interactions with Svetlana Cova. WHO's out at all this nonsense? They did they have been spying on flinch since two thousand fifteen. Everybody understands that right. The Obama Administration. That's a whole other show but the purposes of this segment. Let's just take that as fact because it's true it's not speculation we're cool they wanted Flynn the FBI wanted to Nail Flynn at this point at the highest levels. What's the problem Joe? They don't have anything on him. So who do they go to. They go to their quote machine. They're bowl fabricator. It rhymes with it. They're BS fabricator. Christopher Steele who when you don't have evidence on people go you worry Joe Hale just make it up. Yeah still probably delivers this dossier on August ten. Someone probably says hey we really need to open up a case on Mike Flynn. It's August tenth. Maybe you can throw a name. In their steel. Goes back to his typewriter as word processor above ever probably even have Microsoft word and he says and and former DA DA director Michael. Flynn forgets that. Flynn is the only one he typed in. It doesn't meet the name structure retype for every other name document. He goes back to the FBI. Okay I who said hey you got joe the FBI FBI guy in the meeting with with steel I counterpart. Hey Do you got something on Mike. Flynn steel. He'll he's got his August hold on up he right back turns around here you go. I got something Mike Flynn got it. Now yeah now this makes sense. This guy was the target the whole time. So what do they do to make. It look like steals information. All out. I'll be right back and Mike Flynn to here. You go didn't start this they say. Hey let's just open up on Popadopoulos manafort afford page and in six. We'll give it a few days and then we'll come back and open up on Flynn. Who was the August ten target the whole time a total head fake? You're telling me you open up on August Tenth Investigations Carter Page who knows working with the CIA. Nothing Wrong Papadopoulos. Who you don't even interview the Pietas even interview until next year? Two thousand seventeen. He was that important if they don't even interviewer review and in Manafort who already closed the FBI case on that's was important you. Of course that wasn't what was important. What was important was nailing? Mike Flynn to the wall so they go to steal and say just make up something on fled steel types in Flynn's name after the fact forgets he didn't capitalize it hands off the August tenth. Komo and here you go. Here's the made up information about Mike. Flynn let's wait a few days on this. Because it will match up with the dossier some open up on those guys head. Fake risky bruschi comeback. Six days later so stupid in so pathetic so obvious. If you're following this case did you follow you all you. I'm sorry go ahead. You felt you see. I don't see a lot of listeners. Don't see and then when you come back and look at it. You feel stupid because I should have seen that I should have noticed it and listen to be fair to everyone out there and I appreciate that thank you. That means a lot. But I've got a lot of great sources who do a Lotta great work and I always had two seven nine. But someone said wants his famous line. If you can't explain something to a sixth grader you don't understand you stand it yourself and I feel like that's why I'm trying to do this and sometimes once in a while we'll get a complete. Let's say sometimes you could be a little redundant folks. It's important that you get it if you get it and you over get great terrific because if you over get it you'll be able to explain needed to others but if I miss something and even one listener misses the point. I failed you tough. When was the target? It's just look at the dates August. Ten Dossier Arise Flynn's name is different. Looks like it was added later. They open up on these guys who they have nothing on for the guy they've been targeting getting since two thousand fifteen and then they wait six days later after they get the dossier because they probably didn't want the dossier August tenth date to marry up with the date. They opened the case. It's Cup as coach. Stan used to say come on guy. I was my baseball coach who I love to be a lot of lessons about life. Every time you screwed up Kobe Guy Yell at you from the Dugout. It was embarrassing at the time but I needed that though snowflakes on that baseball team I see I told them one time we play guy hit a foul ball and I caught it and I didn't someone tagged up and ran home and I asked them in the dugout. We were having a tough time getting out. If I should have let the ball drop and he looked at me like I was an idiot because more back that he's a In front of everybody I was like I took my hat off and sat in the dugout. Shut my mouth the rest of the game all right enough my story here. I got more to get through because this is a busy news day but I hope you understand that flint story. We covered that we covered Iran. I want to move on to the impeachment hoax. Fiasco total disaster blowing up and the Democrats Face Mitch. McConnell all strikes again so you know Nancy. Pelosi is trying to play games with this impeachment thing. We're going to hold the articles of impeachment for those view when the liberal end of the spectrum who've not read the the constitution which sadly many of you the Constitution is explicit that the House of Representatives has the power to impeach a president and the Senate has the the sole power to try that impeachment and remove a president from office. It's pretty clear again if you read the Constitution. Nancy Pelosi doesn't care about the constitution. She hasn't read it either so she thinks she's going to dictate the terms of the Senate trial to the Senate from the house although she does not have any power to do that at all so what she's doing is she is holding the articles of impeachment. The president has been impeached and not forwarding them to Mitch McConnell because he's trying to use it for leverage to get the Senate to call witnesses now as I said yesterday yesterday. Why is the house worried about the Senate calling witnesses if they already appears to president? Are you suggesting that you didn't have the witnesses. You need to make the decision to impeach the president but impeach him anyway. Because that's certainly seems like what you're saying. Call me crazy here using reason and stuff but that seems like what you're saying so Mitch. McConnell auto who promptly flipping the double barrel Middle Finger is saying. We're never going to play by your rules Nancy. Thanks for trying so tyler. O.`Neil PJ MEDIA PNB. If in the show notes today and McConnell quote we have the votes an ounce his impeachment trial rules without a deal with the Democrats. Could for you ladies and gentlemen new rules few older listeners. On my show. I don't mean older and chronological age. I mean you've been listening for a long time. We did the new rule show along time ago. You can google it us when our must listen to shows ever. We're I said to you in the era. Now we are in with the Democrats. Were they hate you and WanNa destroy you the Hill Democrats on all the devoting Democrats out there but them up on the hill and the radical left certainly hate chew. New Rules are in effect and the new rules as we are going to engage in political trench warfare. Meaning we're not so concerned about the character of the guy next to us anymore and the trench were worried about winning the fights. You can worry about as tweets when you get home. I'm not so much worried about that. Now I'm worried about politically the country surviving being the radical Democrats and the new roles. Her this you try to play ball with match. I was never a huge fan of Mitch. McConnell being straight and honest that but he's been doing a good job on judges and he promptly told Nancy Pelosi to go pound sand on this. What did he do? He basically bypass the Democrats in the Senate plus he was trying to force him to call more witnesses in the Senate trial and he now says he has the Republican votes. He only needs fifty one. Sixty seven only fifty one to change the rules. And he's going to change the rules on impeachment speech McConnell to say Joe we're going to announce that the Clinton rules are in effect. I and we do not need any specific requirement for witnesses in contrast to what the Democrats that's one of which is genius onto fold number one he saying remember. Now you guys in we impeach Clinton and you guys thought those rules were great. We're getting the same rules now. which delegates at how many talking points zero because the Democrats are not going to be? That was totally completely unfair. Really you voted for those rules under Clinton now you don't like the rules under trump. So he's he's basically saying Mitch. Mitch saying to Pelosi. You guys agreed to this before so we're just going to do it again now. Brilliant but secondly he's not saying we can't call this is he's just saying that we're not gonNA put any specific requirement that we have to call this. Is You know why Nance because your time's up you did your impeachment thing and now I'm in charge so go pound sand but thanks for playing nice. Try New rules folks we win. Can you lose. Those are the new rules and they are now in effect until we say otherwise all right run out of time here and it's had a few months so many great stories. Don't Miss Tomorrow's show. Okay 'cause I really WANNA get to. This people evacuating liberal states story because charges devastate. I'M NOT GONNA be able to coverage today. I just running out of time but I will get to it tomorrow so. Don't miss the show tomorrow please. Last today national review covered everybody covered. It was it was all over the place but remember the Covington kids. They COVINGTON school. They went to Washington. DC and the story was they approached this native American elder are harassed him and it turns out. This story was a complete opposite that the guy approach them well. CNN for some stupid reason pretending to be a media outlets it's still thought it would be a good idea to slam this Covington. Kid Nicholas Sandman slam him on the news. Paint amount to be some kind of racist bigot. When he did nothing wrong he was standing there while this older gentleman? I should've known better gotten his face. slamming a drum in his face so CNN jumped out ahead. Of course Impune in this kid's character so they decided to do the right thing is to do when you're characters impugned than your lied about which is a court liberals been doing it for years so they hey did well. CNN settled yesterday. The lawsuit brought by coming in Catholic sued Nikola seminars we see in this headline National Review. Now Ladies and gentlemen we don't have have the exact numerical figure. I've gotTA guess which I'M NOT GONNA put out on my show because unless I'm speculating based on some kind of statistics put together a decent hypothesis. I'm GONNA leave and heard from a few people but I'm not sure how red and they are others say. The number I heard is pretty devastating. Tom Fit in from judicial. Watch who we have confirmed for a future interview show by the way based on audience recommendations. You can send your recommendations for interviews on listen to we. We haven't confirmed well. I'll announce the dates. We have Mark Levin on our every. Show the great one this weekend WanNa miss that. Tom Fitness said off into me and others. It's a great line that what the left figure it out. A long time ago is that the process is the punishment they have abused the law system in the legal system to attack conservatives forever gentleman. This was an abusive off. Your lied about us. The legal system used the legal system. The right way and don't be shy about it. The the media gotten away with impugning the character of good people for too long good for Nicholas Sandman and good first family. Better cut that check. CNN next time you'll learn to lie about people gross he wasn't. I mean th this would happen. This kid is disgusting. CNN deserved everything. They got for this. All right folks Thanksgiving for tuning it again. Please subscribe to my Youtube Channel. It's free we're trying to get the four hundred thousand subscribers. We really appreciate your help. It's YouTube dot com slash Bongino Bongino. 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Taking Lives: Dr. Michael Swango

"True. Crime contains disturbing content related to real life crimes. Medical information is opinion based on facts of a crime and should not be interpreted as medical advice or treatment. Listener discretion is advised. Welcome crime burry. I'm Jill and I'm dick before we get started today. I just wanna mentioned everyone about last week's tobacco. Why I don't know that was a deductible. Well, it woke me up in a panic in the morning. Sure. So if you listened to the podcast right away in the morning or if your podcast app. Just automatically downloaded it. The first audio file that went out was incorrect. And it was on ended actually was worse than on ended. It was a mess. So if you didn't like it and would like to listen to the real one all you have to do is delete it in reloaded in your podcast app in I apologize. I just messed up. That's all sweep the provision perhaps. Yeah. It was a long episode. So it was a lot of work was almost two hours. But anyway, I apologized for that. And let's move on with today's episode. Okay. This is about a doctor. Yes, they know. So hopefully, you'll give us some insight. I'm hoping the case of physician Michael Swango, not only exposed the dark side of a man who had taken an oath to do. No harm. It also opened our eyes to a professional environment where doctors accepted, the word of fellow physicians over the word of nurses and patients. Even as there was evidence of grossness behavior piling up Michael grew up in Quincy, Illinois, and he graduated as valedictorian at the Quincy Catholic boys high school, he served in the Marine Corps and he received an honorable discharge. He then attended Quincy college followed by southern Illinois University School of medicine. His troubles were I noticed in medical school. Although he was a brilliant student. He preferred to work as an ambulance attendant rather than concentrate on his studies, even at that young age, she had an odd fascination with dying patients, Michael Swaine goes patients, often ended up coding or suffering life threatening emergencies and several did die on expectedly. So join us at the quiet and today for a true story that actually is stranger than fiction. We're calling it taking lives the crimes of Dr Michael Swango removes beard today or good, Ohio beer. I heard lots of choices. I think Ohio. Was one of the first states where he was killing people. So I picked plus I wanted to do this beer first time, I had it was mule Dover to me by our friend. Dave, it's called hop juju imperial IP from fat heads brewery love the name anyway, a great name. So this beer is a big old imperial IP or you'd like to call the WPA copper-colored big, huge Whitehead. Nice lacing one of those pretty beers. It has a citrus fruit aromas and tropical fruit and pine. And then in the taste some lime some grapefruit enter the pith of the grapefruit that bitter, more bitter part. Yeah. Yeah. Little papaya. There's the tropical fruit and some pine massive beer the nicely bidder. So you gotta be a hop head to like this one. I think so you have not one of those new fruity ones. This is more of a traditional good tasting beer. Okay. Just as a funniest side. I always thought that that bitter taste was the insecticides on the grapefruit that made it tastes that way. Oh, no. Yeah. I did. But now, you're educating me. Sure. All right. My pleasure. You've done it a lot. Let's open the beer. Okay. At the quiet end today, quite a few people around. Hopefully will meet some interesting people. I mean, that's my favorite part of sitting at the bar. Is you meet new people, and they're interesting or bring the whole point. Yeah. I always go off when I go to places in those TV's all over the place. He don't like that are don't like that. I wanna sit at the bar and have conversations with people. Well, that's the thing. I mean, I'm a big TV watcher, really? But I don't like that it interferes with conversation. And that's why we don't have one in our bedroom because I feel like it interferes with the marital relationship, not to go into any more detail by think a TV in the bedroom is a bad idea. I made you blush. You got me there. Okay. All right. Why don't you? Go ahead and start our story down here at the quiet end. Okay. Michael was the second son of Muriel and John Swango hick sailed at the private Catholic boys high school. He attended. He had brothers Bob, and John they attended public schools. But Michael went to the Catholic boy school because his parents considered him to be gifted. He was a model student made the honor roll each year, he took an unusual interest though in the holocaust which had been covered in his world. History. Course now that might have been early red flag. I could've been, but let's be honest. A lot of us are fascinated by horrible things that doesn't mean we like it. All right. I'll give you that. But yeah, it's something to consider. He was also a talented pianist, and he spent evenings playing classical music for his mother. So here's another guy that was his mother's favourite. He can do no wrong. She would eventually become estranged from her husband who was quite an colic. But in her mind, Michael could do no wrong. So we might be looking at another golden boy. You know, she was in denial as it turned out. I mean, we'll see this. Yes. Yep. So in his nineteen seventy-two yearbook picture, there's Michael and his band uniform smiling with thick blind hair. His ambition in the yearbook was to be an Illinois state trooper, but as class valedictorian he was sought after by top colleges he decided to attend Millikin university. Just a small private liberal arts school in Decatur Illinois about a three hour drive from Quincy and he received a full tuition scholarship in music. Now as he had in high school, he excelled at Milliken Ernie nearly perfect grades during his first two years during his first year a girlfriend broke up with him. It typically warrant a sports jacket the class, but after the break-up he began to dress in military fatigues, he then painted his car in camouflage greens. So no friend asked him about this. He said he planned to join the military, and he was fascinated by guns. So maybe the break up with the girlfriend set something off in him. I'm not sure. Yeah. It seems like it's kind of a moment in his life. Yeah. Like he can't have reacted to that. In a certain way. And about this time is when he first mentioned his interest in taking pre med courses. He began to show an intense interest in car crashes, and he would save gory photos in a scrapbook by the end of his sophomore year. He was spending more and more time by himself and that summer he left school and he enlisted in the marines. So Michael finished basic training at the marines. Boot camp in San Diego where he was trained as a rifleman and he earned the designation of a sharp shooter in nineteen seventy six he received an honorable discharge when he returned to Quincy after the discharge he was very fit and lean and he was carrying himself with more confidence. He announced then to his family that he wanted to become a doctor, and this, of course, was something that really pleased his mother she had worked as a medical secretary. So she really looked up to physicians. He then enrolled in pre med courses at the local community college. And then he had no difficulty getting admitted to the Quincy college for the following fall. With his near perfect grades at the more competitive Milliken as well as his exceptional high school record. He must've been one of the colleges top applicants but still after he was admitted he did make a decision to embellish his records on a form. He submitted to the colleges public information office he falsely claimed that he had received both LeBron's bronze star into purple heart when he was a marine. So I don't know why he felt compelled to do that because he certainly would have been accepted anyway. Who would have been right? But this was this was a compulsion in him. Yes. Always had to appear better. He did. So he was kind of a path logical liar in that respect. You certainly was now Michael abandoned music and became deeply involved in science classes, he had a double major in chemistry and biology, but in contrast to high school, he wasn't involved in any extracurricular activities, he did begin working part time as an orderly at blessing hospital in Quincy and became a certified emergency medical technician EMT during his senior year, he wrote a paper on the poisoning murder of a winning Bulgarian writer living in exile. In london. He was fascinated by the murder, which was poisoning by rice in that took four days to kill the writer so very fascinated with poison and during his senior year, he took the MCAT the Medical College admission test. And he applied to several medical schools. He graduated summa cum laude in nineteen seventy nine. Anyone the American Chemical society's award for economic excellence competition for admission to any accredited American Medical school in nineteen seventy nine was very intense. And it had been since the baby boom generation began graduating from college in the late sixties this kind of like that now too. Isn't it very competitive or heart? Think is way worse now might be her. When when I applied to medical school didn't seem that difficult to get admitted he at you were like the perfect kid on that. But now, it's almost like you have to have published papers. Yeah. Need to really be on the ball. You do. It's major in the mid school. I always joke about how I couldn't have gotten into medical school. These this day. That's not true though, it might not be. But I certainly hadn't published papers or anything. Well, I mean that wasn't something people were doing. I'm sure if that was the thing you would have done it. 'cause you did the thing you were supposed to do. That's you ROY guarded mood. Okay. But demand for doctors was strong and lucrative. Careers were almost guaranteed for the graduates, plenty of applicants with good records were rejected from every medical school that they applied to and many were even going to foreign countries. Like, Mexico was a common one. Besides needing outstanding grades in the pre med curriculum and the high MCAT scores applicants had to sit for a personal interview in which their maturity their commitment and their aptitude for medicine were judged. So Michael's mother Muriel was proudly telling family members that Michael had been accepted at several medical schools. But his classmates had speculated that Swango had been admitted from the waiting list because he moved into the dorms late along with students who had been admitted at the very last minute through the southern Illinois. That's the one he he went to. Yeah. So they guessed that Michael hidden performed well in the admissions interview because his grades were really good. And they all wondered what he would have answered when he was asked why he wanted to become a doctor because Swango had never mentioned to his classmates any interest in patients or helping or anything that most. Doctors would say they didn't have the stock answers ready. No, he was different certainly was now in medical school para follow Trie fascinated Swango pathology includes toxicology the study of poisons so that that might be tip off. Wei fascinated that's up his alley. Who study habits weren't very good because he's continued working for the ambulance service that he had started doing in college and is frequently unavailable in many ways, ambulance work seemed to be a priority to Swango. One of the first clinical sinement that medical students had was to take histories and perform physicals or h and peas as you call them on the hospital patients students would interview patients record their medical histories in do physical exams, then they would post the results on the patient's charts. So depending on the patient the procedure could take anywhere from half hour to ninety minutes or even longer. Doing adult medicine, and these people have empty problems, and it took me seven hours wants to do a history and physical as a student. Well, yes, what I say. Well, his classmates, though, they observed that swing was completing his entire rounds in less than an hour said X is that pretty extrordinary unheard of sometimes spending as little as five minutes with one patient. You can maybe get away with that as an attending physician, but a medical student you have to cover every base. So you tend to be far more thorough than anyone else? Oh, it was the same thing in nursing school like when you were a student who had index cards with every medication every side effect. Yeah. So that is extraordinarily that. He only took five minutes. He certainly wasn't doing what he was supposed to do not even close in. At least one case another student said that Swango had faked the entire right up which isn't surprising when you think of five minutes, we might have. And this claim triggered more concern about Swango with his classmates in their third year rotation students can choose their area of specialization, and it came as a surprise to many in the class when Swango. Concentrated his courses in neuro surgery. Now neuro-surgery is one of medicine's most demanding and highly paid specialties. All right. You're right. So competition for the internships, and residencies was very intense wasn't something that people expected this guy to go into know who's classmates and a lot of the physicians who taught him thought he was lazy uninspired person and weird and weird. Yeah. But there is a neurosurgeon on the faculty. Dr Lau where keizer who raved about Swango. He never criticize mangoes allege sloppy habits indifference to patient care and the two became inseparable. Swing a go the neurosurgeon when he made rounds and would go to surgeries Swingle even persuaded the nursing staff to page him on his ambulance pager whenever they learned that one of the neurosurgeons patients was about to be admitted. That way swang was usually on the scene before the surgeon, and even before sometimes the patients themselves now, of course, his eagerness made a good impression on where why keizer who believed to very pleasant and hardworking, and he thought swang goes patient write ups were excellent. I think he was pretty good at faking it while sure and you can put a whole bunch of bullshit into the right up, and unless the doctor the attending checks the facts, it looks like you've done a great job. And this is third year. So I think there would be some trust in him. You have to trust someone at that point. You must think they've done okay to get to the third year of medical school. But Dr case or was one of several doctors in private practice who also worked as clinical instructors, and he was very popular with students and respected in his field. The fact that he likes Swango really went along way to quash student concerns about swing goes competence. So this helped swing go out a lot or throughly would you've got someone on your side in a high place. Thinking this geyser lazy person not doing the job that you gotta highly regarded attending praising him. Sure. Yeah. Looks good said during the third year of medical school students were having much more contact with patients swing goes classmates. Notice that swing seemed very interested in even maybe preoccupied with the sickest patients the hospital had a large blackboard where they wrote patients names and the treatment information, and when a patient that Swango had seen died he wrote died and capital letters across the person's name other students found this distasteful almost as those Ouango was celebrating the deaths. So when EFI walls kindly patient that Swingle had been treating for an injury died. Suddenly after getting a visit from Swango he went ahead and scrawled died over her name. And when he was asked by another student, if he didn't feel bad that the woman had died. His answer was quite alarming. He said, no, that's. Just what happens that's feeling now. So swing Osun got this nickname double-o Swango like 007 licensed to kill and it was dark humor. But there was a lot of truth to it. We'll see of course, we certainly will so working with the emulates company would bring swing go into regular contact with victims of car crashes heart attacks and violent crime that was fellow paramedics many of whom foot highly of his work couldn't help it notice his unusual fascination with violent death. The hit all seen scrapbooks. They often so cutting out articles while waiting for an ambulance. Call. Now once a co worker asked him why he clipped and saved the articles Swango said if I'm ever accused of murder the scrapbooks will prove I'm not mentally competent. This will be my defense. That's pretty weird. It's very weird. And of course, they took it as a joke, but there's a lot of truth to it. I suppose he really liked to play games by hinting at his psychopathic tendencies when out of work security guard shot up McDonald's in California, nineteen eighty four killing twenty one people Swango watched on CNN, and he told his co workers every time I think of a good idea. Someone beats me to it. Now, the other paramedics hoped he was kidding. For years. He kept scrapbooks of newspaper clippings about grizzly car crashes in violent crimes he was also fascinated by Ted Bundy, and he expressed his happiness when OJ Simpson was found not guilty with maybe a creepy kind of self awareness. He wants said sometimes I feel. All I have an evil purpose in my life through words. But unfortunately, no one really took him seriously. But without his fixation on violent death. It would be hard to understand why he commuted during his first year medical school to work these twenty four hour shifts at an EMT job that pages ten cents an hour of the minimum wage needs think he'd be studying. Yeah, he enjoyed it. It was the thrill in it for him. Yeah. And Swango told his fellow paramedics that he could handle the schedule because he lived on only two to three hours of sleep her night. His co workers in the ambulance service were mazes. Swango would sleep for about thirty minutes. Then jump up and work for twelve straight hours often manic with energy, but his work on the ambulance did take toll when day he was so angry that he kicked in a cabinet door in the kitchen area, the engines headquarters and to know in surprise at least not to my surprise, his long hours also affected his performance as a medical student. Well, how could it not? I mean, most people in medical school. Just go to medical school or exactly yeah. And some of his fellow students notice he was poorly prepared careless and negligent it rush from one class to another interrupting his work whenever his pager offering ambulance run still when you got ready to prepare for internships and residencies postgraduate training. Swing ahead. A glowing letter of recommendation from Dr walk as her which he sent to about ten teaching hospitals. Even keizer was surprised putting go told him when Swango told him that he had been accepted for prestigious internship in neuro surgery at the university of Iowa, hospitals and clinics in Iowa City. So is post graduate career is secured. So he pretty much gave up any pretense of being interested in his medical studies anymore. He really indulged his sick facination at this point with car crashes and other emergencies Elliott left was this eight week rotation in obstetrics gynecology. This was a requirement, of course. Most students completed before their last year, and that they had to pass an order to graduate. But rather than taking OBGYN early Swango had opted for a more difficult surgery and medicine rotation. And he was already concentrating on neurosurgery students were also required to attend OBGYN surgeries like c sections in hysterectomies, but Swango never showed up all examinations in the rotation were conducted orally any missed most of those two. So the chief was rightfully concerned by swing goes complete disregard of the school's requirements. When she tried to locate him she was told that he was working as an EMT net kinda shocked her. She also heard that he had been banned from any direct patient contact on the ambulance, but she didn't ask why I don't know why she didn't when she finally contacted Swango. She asked him to do a history and physical on a patient who is scheduled to have a C section that day. So she saw him enter the patient's room, and he left just ten minutes later. She was surprised when he turned in really impressive three page right up on the patient. She visited the patient to ask about swing goes. Visit and learned that the woman had barely talked to swing go. He and done a physical exam at all either. So the chief resident took her findings to the OBGYN faculty, and they had a meeting to consider his status. The faculty members were appalled and angry at his misconduct as well as his dishonesty, which was really posing a threat to a patient's health. So they made the decision to fail swing go which meant that he wouldn't graduate in his class and that didn't sit well with him. No. So when he learned that he was gonna fill it will be GYN and wouldn't graduate. He was enraged. He hired a lawyer and administrators at the school were worried that he would sue the school. Then Dr Joaquin came to swang goes defense saying that he had been an outstanding student and the chargers he was Lazier hadn't done his. Assignments not believable swing professor pathology tax college became so worked up over the injustice of failing Swango that he literally cried. So he was able to get people on his side when he really wanted to. He was then a few students. Few his classmates also argued that the fail Swango was too severe punishment. It was noted that while medical schools reject hundreds and thousands of applicants they almost. Never expelled them. Once they've been admitted, well, I guess the experience of medical school ordinarily creates kind of a strong bond. So it was kind of stunning. When a group of swing goes classmates wrote a letter to the faculty stating that he was incompetent. He hadn't progressed it all during their years together. They said he showed no interest in the patients and his attitude toward medical education really seemed to border on contempt. None of this group felt that they would ever want swing to be their doctor. He was not in their view capable. A functioning as an intern. So time was running out. And they felt that he really needed to be stopped before he was out practicing, and that's unusual right? Because usually mid students stick together. Sure. Do just like doctors usually stick together and Beck each other up. So for this to happen, any go must've been really on the outs with classmates had to be super over the ad trite. Absolutely. So here we have kind of a problem, don't we? He's got a group of classmates it Phillies incompetent, his gut the OBGYN rotation that he failed miserably, but he has his supporters. Yes, doctors and a few students high up supporters, these doctors were high up, so I think their opinion probably mattered more than the group of students to be honest. Yep. Now, the student progress committee met may nineteen eighty two with ten committee members to students and faculty. In preparation for the hearing, the OBGYN chief resident had gone to the patient files to retrieve swang report on this is Aaron section patient, but had disappeared and it occurred to her that other reports by Swango had been suspicious. Also, she looked for some of them, but they also missing. So she reported this to the committee. She also testified about swang performance in the OBGYN rotation including absences, and presenting the evidence that he had fabricated at least one patients history and physical and other nations surfaced, including his work as an EMT and his facination with violence. But there was no reference to any suspicious patient deaths or to the double o Swango nickname. Nobody brought that up in the meeting. No. And then Swango himself appeared in his own defense. He seemed earnest and charming, but he denied that he had failed to examine any patients or removed any files he denied plagiarizing. Or fabricating this Zarian patience -ation p expanded hid no choice, but to moonlight as an EMT because his father died earlier that year, and he was the sole support of his mother and two brothers. Now. Most members of the committee, especially the two student members were unmoved when even called Swango bald faced liar. But if toxicology professor came to his defense, he sympathize with spangles need to support his family and said other students in the class or unfairly picking on him because he was different. So the decision to dismiss a student would require unanimous vote. Eight members voted to expel him one abstained and one voted to give them another chance. So he graduated there were negotiations between the colleges, lawyers and Swain goes lawyer. And there was a compromise. That had to be reached though, he wouldn't be allowed to graduate with his class. But he wouldn't be expelled either. He was. Required to repeat his OBGYN rotation. Any was also given assignments from some of the other faculties strictest professors in other specialties if he passed these assignments he would be allowed to graduate. If not he would be dismissed so at this point, he became a model medical student. He repeated the OBGYN rotation attended all the required surgeries in oral examinations in completed all of his assignments where one of the other fall-outs from this was that the hospital I was city rescinded his internship. So he had to scramble around right, right? And the director of the department of neurosurgery at Ohio State University in Columbus offered Swango a residency in neurosurgery, pending the successful completion of years, internship, in general surgery. So that year Ohio State one of the most prestigious residency programs in the country had received about sixty applicants for its neurosurgeon. Gery residents program and had invited twelve for personal interviews swang was one of them. And he was the only student offered a position. So at that says to me is he was really good at bullshitting. Yeah, he had to be. So he did graduate in April of nineteen eighty three and got a diploma in the mail, his mom. Miriam was spreading the good news of his graduation and his acceptance at Ohio State to family members shortly after his graduation. He was fired by American ambulance company. He was already on probation because he'd had violent outbursts, but he responded to an emergency. Where a patient who was in acute pain in having a heart attack was gasping for air and his instructions were to administer any emergency treatment called for and bring the patient in the ambulance to the nearest hospital. But instead he made the patient walk to his own car. And he told the patients family to drive him to the hospital themselves the family. He called the ambulance company and complained his behavior, of course, was medically unsound, and it was a clear violation of the rules. And he had no explanation for it. So he was fired. Or he must have been very fortunate that the patient didn't die his very easily could have put him in deep trouble. Yes. Now at a high oh state University Medical Center Swango joining elite group of medical school graduates for his first assignment as a surgical intern. As first rotation was in the emergency room didn't take long for some of his shortcomings to surface every doctor in charge of a surgical rotation. Evaluates the entrance at the conclusion of the rotation. Dr Ronald Ferguson, who's the doctor in charge of transplant surgery. Oversaw swang goes work for mid October into mid November. And he decided he was going to fail Swango because he didn't believe he was competent to practice medicine. Swaying. Also learned. At least one other of supervising physicians with remarks showed a fascination with Nazis in the holocaust. Some of the residents spent far more time with Swango than the attending physicians. Did also complained to the doctors on the FEC lay. That Swango is weird that covers a whole host of things doesn't it weird? They were more specific. But nothing really came of. It is the problem. So while making rounds residents give interns tasks and then they critique their performance whenever they criticize Swango he would drop to the floor and do push-ups then he could do hundreds of them. Remember, he had been a marine. So it was like he was still in the marines in this was his self imposed punishment. But this didn't seem appropriate for a doctor making rounds in the hospital. He was asked to stop. But he refused, and he continued this behavior. 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So in Swango was first hired no-one from Ohio State called anyone at his med school to ask why he graduated you're late. Remember he had failed the OBGYN rotation. So he headed take that into some other Simon snorted graduate. So he did graduate a year later than his classmates and supposedly he told his mom that it was a computer glitch that caused him to graduate late. And she believed it, of course, because he could do no wrong. That's right. No. No one seemed to have noticed that he should have graduated a year earlier than he actually did. But with a negative report from Dr Ferguson and other comments about swang goes behavior and attending physician called the associate dean for medical education. He was told that they should have seen warning signs and swang goes letter from the dean still knowing seem to consider terminating his internship. Not at all. In January nineteen eighty four swinger was warned that he had a failing evaluation from Dr Ferguson that might threaten his residency. The offer of a residency in neurosurgery was contingent on successful completion of the one year, internship, but swing oh did seem appropriately concerned at that point. Sure, he became very charming and humble any asked for strategies to overcome the negative review and continue with this residency. He appealed Dr Ferguson's evaluation to the residency review committee, which was made up of doctors from the surgery department and the committee met later that month to reevaluate him knowing the men time Swango found girlfriend. This was a nurse Rita do mice. The relationship surprise many on the nursing staff because reader, let's face it. She wasn't a catch for a handsome young intern. Plus she was divorced with three young children. She always complained. She worked the night shift got home at seven in the morning. Just as a kids were waking up Rita said. She was never able to get enough sleep which might have been some accounting for her bad moods. Well, yeah, I can see that wouldn't be an easy life. But she really did seem to blossom in a relationship with Swango. She still kept mostly to herself. But she seemed more confident and her overall attitude toward life seemed to improve. Of course, she'd been going through a difficult time, but Swango was very supportive. And she also said he was great with her kids in early February head nurse an Ritchie reported for the morning shift and she was assigned neurosurgery patient named Ruth. Barrick now Ruth was a pleasant elderly woman who had been admitted to the hospital. Couple of weeks before she had fallen in hitter headed home and suffered a cerebral hematoma. So her condition was serious, but it never been considered life threatening until she suffered a respiratory arrest. In nearly died on January thirty first just after swang goes appeal of this negative valuation had been rejected. No one told an Ritchie what had happened. But on January thirty first another nurse named Deborah. Kennedy hit given Ruth Barrick her breakfast and assessor, and she seemed to be doing. Well, she was sitting up in bed. She was talking and responding appropriately around nine forty five AM that morning, Dr Swango had come into a room, and he told Deborah Kennedy. I'm going to check on her. Deborah thought this was weird because the doctors rounded early like around six thirty and they didn't return unless there was a problem. But you know, he's the doctor. He's the boss so she left him in the room with Ruth Barrick alone. Yes. About twenty minutes later. Deborah turn to check on Ruth Swango. Gone in the patient seemed to be asleep. But when she got closer to the patient. She noticed that she was barely breathing and she was a bluish color. So Deborah did what you do. She called a code over the intercom and doctors came rushing to the room Swango was the first one to respond, but others to began working on this resuscitation and after forty five minutes her vital signs had stabilized and she was transferred to the ICU. She recovered and she returned to a regular hospital room. But then on February six in Ritchie was giving the same patient Ruth bath. The patient was alert talking. Cheerful and seemed to be recovering but Ritchie noticed that her central Venus pressure was low in the central line when explain that a little bit for lay people see VP line. Yeah. Well, it's it's a land. It's put in usually rounded into the jugular vein, and you had Vance a catheter into the Vena Cava the big. Vessel that takes blood back to the heart. Now what you can do with the line. Like, this is you can monitor pressure blood pressure, basically, and you could administer meds too. So to be told that the pressure in the CV line looked low might mean that the patient needed fluid or something like that that she was dehydrated. Okay. Let's she called doctor check the line. And then she left the room to check her other patients in a few minutes later Swango entered the room, and she remembered feeling relieved that an MD had responded but time passed and she didn't see Swango come out of the room, which made her think there was a problem with the central line and went back into the patient's room to see if Swango needed some help now, oddly he'd drawn all the curtains around the bed. So neither roommate nor anyone passing the room could see what was happening. This was very odd the nurse peaked in through the curtains and swang was hovering over the patient's chest. And he seems startled by her. She asked him if he needed any help and Swango said, no. So she left the room. Again, then ten minutes later, she peaked in again in asked if he needed any help, and he said, no again, just three minutes later nurse an Ritchie returned open the curtain and looked in. And this time she saw that Swango was using two or three syringes and one was stuck directly into the central line. If Suazo had been using the syringes to clear the line, there should have been some blood in them. But there was no blood in these syringes swing. Oh said he needed, no assistance and Richie left the room again. And a few minutes later. She did see swing leave the room. She assumed that whatever had been wrong with the central line had been corrected and almost immediately. She went into check on the patient. She wanted to check the central line dressing. But she was shocked because Ruth Barrett had turned blue again, she gave a gasp, and then she stopped breathing altogether. So as the resuscitation efforts began the nurse looked up and she sought after Swango he was coolly watching her from the back of the room. Have a weird look on his face doing nothing to help. The patient. So she was trying to give mouth to mouth to the patient. This was years ago. I guess before they had the masks vailable all the time and Swango said to her that is so disgusting other nurses, and doctors rushed in and began chest compressions, but Ruth barrack was dead. The last entry in her progress notes was made by swing go and read patient suffered apparent respiratory arrest. Witnessed by RN. No poss- present code blue called patient did not respond to resuscitative measures pronounced dead at ten forty nine. Dr Joseph Goodman, and family notified Swango, the death certificate cited the cause of death as cardiopulmonary arrest due to cerebrovascular accident, which means that they signed her of his having had a stroke, so an Richie the nurse was appalled. When Swango insisted he wanted personally to convey, the news of the patient's death to her family members. She is almost certain that something Swingle had done. Had killed her still. She never imagined that he might have killed her purpose. She assumed that may be hit accidently allowed an air pocket to enter the central Venus line causing a fatal embolism in the bloodstream. This did sometimes happen, which was one of the reasons only doctors were allowed to adjust centralize, but swang didn't acknowledge any error. And what was he doing with those syringes these question, very good question? Now, these were still in a nurse's mind that afternoon when she responded to an urgent call another room. There was another nurse. Amy more who is with a patient having breathing. Trouble and Swango is also in the room with the patient gasping for breath, Swango ordered the nurse to get a heart monitor. Amy more was stunt using a heart minor would waste valuable time. Those rare for nurse to correct doctor. But the patient's condition suggested that she might have had a pulmonary embolism or blood clot in her lungs. Swang was adamant. Amy more said she could handle the situation. She got the patient to the other floor, which probably saved her life after her shift ended that day nurse, an Richie. Just couldn't get these disturbing events out of her mind, Ruth Barrick. Steph swang goes reaction to it. And how he seemed to be purposely jeopardizing another patient, and she started to consider that this was deliberate. So since she could she got off the highway and drove to her sister's house where she broke down in tears and told her sister about the patient, and then about what had happened with the doctor the next day following hospital protocol that any regular incidents should be reported to her immediate supervisor and Richie told Amy more about her suspicions that swing. Go had caused Ruth Derek Steph on purpose. She also talked with several other nurses about what had happened. She was afraid to mention that he was deliberately trying to kill patients. But that's what she was thinking. She certainly was that same evening, which was February seventh swing. Ango in several other doctors made their evening rounds, and they stopped in to see Riina Cooper, a sixty nine year old widow who had had an operation that morning for a lower back problem, and I won't ups age fifty nine who is scheduled for treatment for brain tumor. So for twelve days these two patients had shared a room, and they become friends Hooper, a former seamstress, and that's a former practical nurse Cooper had described herself as a born again, Christian and Utz was religious as well. So they had a Latin common on the evening of February seventh they had dinner. They watch TV, and they were talking about the bible when the doctor showed up the doctors noted that there was nothing unusual with either of the women and continued their rounds when they left Cooper was lying comfortably underside with IV antibiotics. Infusing in her left arm about an hour later between nine and nine fifteen pm an Ohio State nursing student. Caroline berry came for a routine hourly check. And she was surprised to see Dr Swango. There Cooper had requested more pain medication asking, sir. Roommate to hold the call button down for her because she couldn't reach it and swing. Go had apparently responded to this call. He was standing at Cooper's bedside about three feet away from the student nurse and the student noticed that he was adding something to Cooper's IV tube something in a syringe. So she assumed swinger was clearing a blockage. Berry stepped outside to enter data on UT's chart. But then about two minutes later. She heard us yelling, are you? All right. Mrs Cooper, then berry heard the bedrooms rattling and misses us was screaming. So she rushed to the room and Cooper was turning blue in it, stopped breathing. So the student nurse rushed to the nurses station for help and she returned to the room with a nurse named John sig and when head and called a code to doctors Reese Freeman the chief resident in neuro surgery in our. Arlo break. Oh, another resident were the first to arrive along with several nurses Swango. Even though he just been in the room didn't respond to the code right away as the senior resident freemen took charge of the code any s berry the student nurse. What had happened? She did tell him that Dr Swango had been there, and he had left and Freeman was really surprised because doctors rounds had been done earlier and Cooper wasn't scheduled for any follow up visits from the physicians. Then berry told him that she had seen Swango giving Cooper something through the IV tube. But the doctor seemed skeptical so berry was convinced that they didn't believe her mean after all she was just a student nurse, nurses, not doctors though, adjusted regular IV's while doctors may inject certain special drugs into Ivy lines Hooper didn't have anything scheduled that would have needed to be given by a physician, so as nurses went to come down Utz. She called out that a doctor with blonde hair had done something to MRs Cooper b. Between crying sobbing. She said that the blonde haired doctor had come into the room with a syringe with something yellow that you rep around your arm when you draw blood like turn a kit. She had heard him tell Cooper that. He was going to give her something to make her feel better in upset said she had watched the doctor ref the yellow tube around Cooper's arm injector with something from the syringe and run from the room. That's when Cooper's bed rails began to shake and Utz tried to press her emergency call button, but couldn't reach it. So that's when she screamed for help. But by the time, it's finished her story. They moved her to a private room down the hall. So it was only nurses that heard the whole story. Mrs Cooper, wasn't breathing. She was unconscious, but she wasn't dead. She had a nice regular heartbeat. The doctors checked her pupils, and they noticed that. There was some reaction to light. But they were surprised by what they called her total acidity. She had no reflects the intimated her because she wasn't breathing and. And usually this is a procedure that's done under some degree of sedation. Putting plastic tube done someone's throat Cooper had no reaction at all. And she's paralyzed. Yeah. No, physical reaction to anything. So Jo Risley. A nurse's aide had responded to the code and his standing outside Cooper's room in heard Beeri was a friend of his tell Freeman that Swango had injected something in Cooper's IV. He moved down the corridor and round a corner. Check into make sure there were no other patient emergencies while the medical staff was working on Cooper as he knew another room. Risley saw Swango wearing his white medical coat. Come out the door. Risley new Swango just been Cooper's room. And he knew of no reason he would be in that other room. But what really struck him? He said later was creepy look on Swango face. I think he described his like shit eating grin. Now. The two said nothing each other is a past but Risley immediately went into the room that swang had exited and on the bathroom Sankt. There was an eighteen gauge needle and attend. See syringe with a plunger depressed now, an eighteen gauge needles a big one pretty large. Yeah. Lilly. Jordan, the charge nurse who supervised other nurses on the floor was walking by and Risley asked her if anyone had been assigned to give an injection in that room. She said, no Risley asked her to look in the bathroom and pointed out, the huge needle and syringe. So the two of them foot the location of this abandoned syringes, very odd. Since a sharps container which was a box for disposing of youth. Needles and syringes was just behind the sink on the wall. Recently told Jordan that he had just seen swaying coming out of the room with a strange look on his face and the significance of their discovery immediately sank in Jordan took a paper towel wrapped it around the syringe needle and put them in a cabinet under the sink. Meanwhile, gophers responding to resuscitation efforts and within fifteen minutes, she was breathing on her own and the paralysis throughout the rest of her body had resolved the tube down her throat, preventative from speaking. But she gestured that she wanted to write something Cooper wrote. He put something in my IV Kupa take into the care unit. And there she asked for the pencil and paper again this time she wrote someone gave me some med in my IV and paralyzed all of me, lungs, heart speech. She was with that. She knew what happened to her. You don't have to be a medical person to know that some guy put something in your IV. And then you can't breathe pretty easy for anyone to figure out and as soon as. The tubers removed and she could speak. Dr Freeman Astra what had happened, and she told him that a blonde haired man had dected something into her Ivy. She had seen a syringe in his hand. But she said she'd never gotten a clear look at his face. So that's unfortunate, but the student nurse berry was really believing that none of the doctors believed what she was telling them. Dr Freeman asked her though to confirm that Swango had been in the room, and he ordered a blood test on Cooper to find out possibly what had caused this paralysis. Then he confronted Swango with this allegation that he had given kuprin injection swing denied that he had even been in Cooper's room after the doctors finish their rounds later after hearing more reports from nurses, though, Freeman again as Swango if he was sure he had not been in the room and Swango repeated that he had had no contact with Cooper with Gupta in the ICU in the crisis pretty much over the nurses just sat down and couldn't believe what had happened. They felt that something. Had to be done about this nurse. Black who was the supervisor told nurses berry in Jordan to write down everything they could remember, and she did the same thing the students berry wrote that Swingle was in the room, and it appeared that he injected something into Cooper's IV tube. Then their statements were collected and placed in a sealed envelope, which they left for the director of nursing to see the next day. She also told Jordan to retrieve that syringe and place it in her briefcase, which was interoffice. Now more was already concerned about the increase in the number of codes and deaths on the ninth floor in the last few weeks. So now she was beginning to link them specifically to Dr Swango. January fourteenth Cynthia Ann McGee a young gymnasts from the university of Illinois have been found dead in her hospital room at explained six days later, twenty one year old Richard delong was found dead. A nurse said Dr Freeman who responded to the code under long was stunned by the sudden death another patient on the ninth floor. Forty three year old Ryan welter died unexpectedly on January twenty fourth after a nurse found him gasping for air and turning blue Swango had been working on the floor at the time of all these deaths. So the nurses reported their concerns to administrators, but they were met with accusations of paranoia swing was cleared by a very Chris ary investigation in nineteen eighty four still his work had been so poor that he wasn't hired as a resident physician after his internship ended that June that July he moved back to his hometown of Quincy. He told his mom and relatives that he hadn't liked the doctors he worked with at Ohio State, and he planned to apply for a medical license in Illinois. And in the meantime, he worked as a paramedic for a few months before he resumed his medical career. So he was hired by the Adams county. The ambulance corpse, despite the fact that he'd been fired from that other ambulance service. I guess they're not communicating with each other about employees, obviously, not so is ours were unpredictable and he often worked weekends. But he frequently made the eight hour drive to Columbus to see his girlfriend Rita Duma center. Children. He would make this long drive to Columbus. Visit with Rita for just an hour. And then Dr Beck for work. So he could go as long as two days with no sleep right now. Many of his paramedics soon began to notice that whenever swing prepared coffee. You're brought food in so them would get sick violently. Sick stomach. You know, vomiting arming pain. Yeah. Then in October that year swang was arrested by the Quincy police department who found arsenic and other poisons in his possession in August. Nineteen eighty five Swango was convicted of aggravated battery for poisonings co workers and. And he was sentenced to five years in prison. Now, his conviction said of criticism for the investigation, which was admittedly poor at Ohio State review by law school dean James Meeks concluded that the hospital should have called the police. It also revealed shortcomings in its initial investigation of Swango Franklin county, Ohio prosecutors considered bringing charges of murder and attempted murder against Swango, but they eventually decided against it because they didn't have physical evidence. The blood test of patient Cooper was either lost to never dead. Well, I think what we need to the Salat was a lot of hospital politics, and it revealed a lot like we said about the medical profession and how they protect doctors. And hopefully, that's changed to some extent. Now, I think it has it has an you still have to do the reporting. But there is the national practitioners data Bank that should have information about a person. Well, yeah, this is the eighties. So hopefully information is much more easily shared now route. So in nineteen eighty nine Swango gets released from prison, and he finds work as a counselor at the state career development center in Newport, News Virginia, he was forced out after being quote working on a scrapbook of disasters on work time. Then he got a job as a lab tech. He performed adequately there. But during his time there several employs sought medical attention with complaints of persistent stomach pains. Around this time Swango mic Kristin Kinney who is a nurse riverside hospital. The two fell in love and plan to get married then in nineteen Ninety-one Swango decided to look for new position as doctor which he couldn't legally do. I mean after that conviction. He wasn't allowed to be a doctor anymore who had a felony conviction on his record. Right. So there shouldn't be any way. He could get a job as a doctor. Well, he legally changed his name to Daniel j Adams any tried to apply for a residency program at Ohio valley medical center, and that was in wheeling West Virginia. So July nineteen ninety two he began working at Sanford USD medical center in Sioux Falls, in both of these cases, he forged the legal documents that he used to reestablish himself as a physician he forged a fact sheet from the Illinois department of corrections that falsified his criminal record stating that he had been convicted of a misdemeanor for getting into a fistfight with. Co worker and had only had six months in prison rather than reality which was five years for felony poisoning. Now, of course, this is an important omission because like you said states aren't going to grant a medical license to a convicted felon, a felony conviction is viewed as evidence in and of itself of unprofessional conduct. But he's faking things. Swing also forged a restoration of civil rights letter from the governor of Virginia falsely stating that he had committed no further crimes after his misdemeanor and was leading an exemplary lifestyle Swango was able to establish fairly good reputation at Sanford medical center, but in October he made the mistake of attempting to join the American Medical Association. So the AMA did a more thorough background check than the medical center and found out about his poisoning conviction that thanksgiving the Discovery Channel. Aired an episode of Justice files that included in a segment on Swango remarkable to me with the AMA report in multiple calls from frightened colleagues, Sanford fired Swango, his girlfriend Kristin Kinney went back to Virginia afterwards, she had started suffering severe migraines after she left Swango, the headaches stopped. So I mean, I think we can draw conclusions from that that he'd. Been poisoning her as well while they were living together planning to marry right? Yeah. You just got a kick out of it really his his case sokaia. Yeah. But the AMA temporarily lost track of Swango and he managed to enter the psychiatric residency program at the state university of New York. His first rotation was in the internal medicine department at the VA medical center in northport. But again, his patients began dying. Four months later. Kristen Kenny committed suicide. Now her mother. Sharon Cooper was horrified to find out a person with swang goes history. Could even be allowed to practice medicine. She got in touch with a friend of Kristen who is nurse at Sanford, the nurse alerted Sanford's dean, Robert tally about swang goes whereabouts. So tally contacted the dean and under intense questioning from the head of the psychiatry department Swango admitted that he had lied about his poisoning conviction, Illinois, and he was immediately fired while the public outcry that followed resulted in doctors Cohen and Miller of the state university of New York being forced to resign before he resigned Coen sent a warning about Swango to all one hundred twenty five medical schools and all one thousand teaching hospitals across the US. So he prevented Swango from getting another medical residency in the United States because I feel like he absolutely would have tried again. Of course. But the thing is her affi-. Is it? None of these hospitals did due diligence right Swango as you said was an excellent conversationalist and people wanted to believe him. Yes. I agree. And it would not have been very difficult to check references. I'll know find out what he'd been doing. Absolutely. But they didn't they didn't. But I also believe that this was a time when people don't more with paper, you handed them documents. Now, I think everything's online hopefully in this would be much tougher to do today. Not that that excuses any of the terrible things that happened because it could have been prevented right now. His latest incident was at a veterans affairs facility. So federal authorities got involved in swing go disappeared. And then in mid nineteen ninety four the F B I found out he was living in Atlanta and was working as a chemist at a computer equipment company's wastewater facility. A soon after the FBI alert the company Swango was fired for lying on his job application, the FBI obtained a warrant charging Swango with using fraudulent credentials to gain entry to a VA hospital. But by the time the warrant was issued swang would left the country in November nineteen ninety four. He went to Zimbabwe and got a hospital job based on forged documents. And once again is patients began to die mysteriously. Took a year though, for the poisons to be connected to then he was arrested in Zimbabwe. He was charged with poisonings he hired prominent lawyer David Coltart, but he escaped from symbolic way before his trial date and hit out in Zambia. This is a crazy story, isn't it? Yeah. Out of this world, this is one of those truth stranger than fiction things. Absolutely. So at that time, he rented a room from widowed woman who ended up getting violently ill after she ate a meal in the house where he was now she consulted a local surgeon who suspected that she had arsenic poisoning. And he persuaded her to send hair samples for forensic analysis. These clippings confirmed toxic levels of arsenic, in her hair. The lab reports were passed onto this Imbaba Republic. Police criminal investigation department through INTERPOL to the FBI who then visited Zimbabwe to interview this pathologist. In the meantime, Swango head really figured out that the authorities were closing in. So he crossed the border to Zambia and then to Nimby where he found temporary medical work. He was charged in absent show with poisonings year and a half later in March nineteen ninety seven he applied for another job at the Royal. Hospital in Dhahran Saudi Arabia, using another falsified CV, of course. Well, all this was happening criminal investigator. Tom Valeri consulted with Charlene Thomasson MD, a forensic psychiatrist to have her help him with the Swango case because of her clinical expertise, she was able to review documents and evidence in she gave a psychological profile of Dr Swango, Tom Valeri cul de agent. Richard Thomson nor relation who was stationed in the Manhattan DA office to discuss the case his conversation focused on Swango lying on his government application to work at the department of veterans affairs where he prescribed narcotic medications. This and other evidence were enough for immigration and Naturalization Service agents to arrest Ouango in June of nineteen ninety seven and the way they got him is he was stopping over at Chicago O'Hare international airport on his way to Saudi Arabia. So Swango pleaded guilty to defrauding the government in March nineteen ninety eight in July of that year. He was sentenced to three and a half years in prison. The sentencing judge ordered that Swango not be allowed to prepare or deliver food or have any involvement in preparing or distributing drugs. Smart move. Finally, something smart. The government put together a mess of file swang goes crimes as part of the investigation. Prosecutors exumed the bodies of three of his patients and found poisonous chemicals in them. They also found evidence paralyze Barron, harass another patient with an injection Harris. Head later lapsed into a coma and died. Prosecutors also found evidence that Swingle lied about the death of Cynthia Ann McGee the young gymnasts. He had been treating while. He was an intern at Ohio State swing co-head claim that she suffered heart failure. But he had actually killed her by giving her a potassium injection that stopped hurt that's easy to get access to the physician or sure. Very easy. And it's one of those things that are pretty much untraceable. Yes. Unless you quickly do blood work and see that they have a massively elevated potassium level in their blood. But that usually doesn't happen, right? So until I eleventh two thousand just a week before he was due to be released from prison on the fraud charge. Federal prosecutors on Long Island filed a criminal complaint. Charging Swango with three counts of murder one count of assault and one count each of false statements mail fraud and conspiracy to commit wire fraud at the same time. Symboblic authorities charged him with poisoning seven patients five of whom had died. Swing was indicted in July two thousand and he pleaded not guilty. But on September six he pleaded guilty to murder in fraud charges if he hadn't done that he had faced the possibility of the death penalty as well as. Tradition to symboblic at his sentencing hearing, prosecutors read some terrifying passages from a notebook of his where he had described the pleasure. He got from poisoning and killing people he was sentenced to three consecutive life. Terms swing a repeated the same methods to commit these murders with non patients such as co workers at the paramedic service. He used poisons like arsenic, slipping them into food and drinks with patients he sometimes used the same poisons. But usually he gave them an overdose of whatever drug the patient had been prescribed or he even wrote out false prescriptions for drugs. So the book we mentioned earlier is blind eye written by James b Stewart. Excellent book, very good. And in the book, they estimate that counting the suspicious deaths in med school swinger was linked to thirty five suspicious deaths. And of course, that can't be all of it. The F B I believes he might be responsible for about sixty deaths. But we do recommend this book. It's just fascinating goes into excellent detail. We really couldn't have done the podcast without information. We got from that book will it's one of these books that you read, and you just get angry reading it whine as the physician. It's it makes you angry. His he's giving you guys a bad name. Doesn't make you look. Good dickey. No, no. Especially the way that he was protected. I don't like that. At all. He was note of only say they you're talking about how it was years ago and things were different than it certainly was. Yeah. And these days, you would listen to nurses and nine physician employs when they have suspicions. You wouldn't summarily dismissed up fully not. But you know, I think that not all doctors are like you some of them have big egos and don't respect nurses like you do. Well, let's because I'm a pediatrician not that's my excuse. I think there's a certain personality type that goes into different specialties. I'll share to a certain extent, but I would hope that officers would respect nurses, enough to listen to them are absolutely especially when you have repeated complaints and suspicious activity by someone like this. I mean, there were many suspicious things about him. It wasn't just a. One thing there were so many things. That's right. But anyway, thanks for this discussion, really an interesting case in a great book to read for moving today show has been sponsored by ADT real protection when it comes to something as important as your family's safety. You deserve real protection. From ADT. Real protection means the nation's number one smart home security provider is there for you. When you need them. 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Lang one one call and huge twist at the end and the most recent is the murder of four months old sterling in Iowa August thirtieth two thousand seventeen twenty one year old mom left. Her son in swing with a blanket in a hot room, and Wayne sterling was found, unfortunately, he had passed away in there were maggots in his diaper. I know how much dick loves work. With children. So I thought that would be a great case as well. I love the podcast, and I cannot wait to hear more from you guys think you think shall be those are some good suggestions that last one's pretty disturbing. But will they're all disturbing, right? Where you're good guy. Only put the first one out to talk about for today on a reserve the other two from Shelby, okay? For the first one that you're talking about is the skeleton brothers have never heard of this is in your territory, these boys three boys think five eight and ten or Sunday. Three little kids went missing from Morandi Michigan, which is near Detroit on black Friday two thousand ten the parents were divorced or separated tiny skeleton said her husband John was supposed to return the voice to her. But he never did. John skelton. Meanwhile, always maintained that had given the boys away because his wife or ex wife Tanya was abusing her sons and she was later charged with misconduct for. Sex with a fourteen year old boy in nineteen ninety. And she, of course denied that. She abused the boys. But no one's ever found him says what about the sky saying he gave him away. There's no consequences for that. This is one of these crazy cases where they just said. Okay. And what the fuck I think he went to jail for time. But it never found him. I don't know again. I feel like if an adult loses children quotation marks lay should be held responsible for killing the children because you don't give children away like that. And they never show up again. I'm sorry. But so not available reason business Sumer can interest in case. It does. Yeah. Yep. I think that that is an interesting one. So and yeah, you know, three of the suggestions shall be gave sounded fascinating. Yeah. Good job. So she concise. She gave three of them. I liked it. Okay. Well, done Shelby. Thank you. Okay. The next voicemail is from Tracy. It's also a case suggestion high. Jalen dick, this is Tracy from Iowa. I love your podcast. I listened to many true crime podcast, and yours is one of my favorites. I have a case suggestion. It's about Jessica Lunceford. She was a nine year old and Florida that was kidnapped raped and buried alive by disgusting. Sex offender, the really terrible case on I'm surprised. I haven't heard I haven't been able to find any other podcasts that have covered it. And then her wonderful father after that worked to get Jessica's law passed, and he and his family were initially harassed by people accused of killing Jessica, I would love to hear you covered this case. Thank you. Thank you, Tracy. So I see the copious notes and this one I know you were talking to me about this law. So you wanna say few comments about this when dick sure abridge the notes little bit. Okay. Okay. But she was murdered in February two thousand five. She's little nine year old kid in HAMAs of Florida. And she was taken right from her home from her home sex offender live nearby name is John Kui, and he apparently held her captive over the weekend raping her and then murdered her by burying her alive. I think at heard of this. So they dragged him down because he fled the state and was living somewhere else. But they found him in charged him and sentenced to death. But then he died of natural causes before it sends could be carried out following her death refiner Mark lens pursued legislation to provide more stringent tracking of released sex offenders. So the Jessica Leonard redact was named after her and it requires tighter restrictions on sex offenders such as wearing electric tracking devices and increase prison sentences for some convicted sex offenders Jessica's law refers to similar reform ex that might be initiated by other states. So he's been tireless in getting this taken care of. Well, that sounds like a good topic. Yeah. And he's Tracy said he got some blowback on this from hell from the sex offenders who gives a shit about that, you know, they said I've served my sentence. A should be able to do what I want to do, blah, blah, blah. I'm simplifying this. But it is a whole other issue how we deal with sex offender. So yes, it is a tissue. So if we do this case that might be something to discuss, right? Absolutely. I think that could be an interesting conversation to have. Okay, I'm on board for that, those are voice mails. We have a couple emails. I once Christine Christine has a case suggestion. She says that she loves our show and where her favorites. So thanks Christine. She says as you spent a good amount of time in Maine. I wonder if you've ever looked into the Sabado Sabino riot case back in the late nineteen nineties. He went on trial for gunning down three on armed men. He claimed had followed him and his girlfriend to his home to harm them though. One of the three was killed while clearly trying. To flee riot was found not guilty at trial. Also, if you do look into that case, dick should checkout. Four river brewing, although Prebble, especially their sour cherry varieties. My faith estuary may appeal to dick thank you Christine. So what do you know about this? Stick. Vaguely remember this 'cause I was living in Maine at the time just to embellish a little bit. And I don't want to give too much away. Because this is an interesting case. But these guys riot owned a bar or club or something in Portland, and these people came in, and there was a loud argument between riot in the three guys. And then when he left with his girlfriend, they followed him and his defense was that he was fearful of his life because it had this pipe boisterous argument beforehand. A cell phone say could come nine one one don't know. Because main doesn't have a stand your ground law. Does it not specifically? But he said he acted in self defense because he feared for his life. Although one of the suspects was trying flee. Correct. So that would go against what he's saying. Yeah. But he was found not guilty. Wow. Mostly I think that's one that would really frustrate me in upset me. But it would also have some interesting things. To discuss so considerate. Plus if we're talking about a sour cherry beer, I find that hard to turn down where you've heard there. Oh have. I did. I like it. Good for room, a pretty good brewery and gotten a bunch of beers from them did buy yours. Maybe just a single can of because he is to be able to buy singles the beverage place in Kittery. I like most were river beers. And he had asked ury not had estuary have had a couple of their IPA's, quite good. Okay. So that'd be something to think about good. Okay. One final case suggestion from Cindy, I edited her letter to a Cindy wrote. I have read an rules book about the Deborah green case, I have read all of her books, so far and she's a great writer. I can imagine the shock. She must have felt when she found out that her ex co worker Ted Bundy was a serial killer. Now, I think she was mentioning the Deborah green case because that's something. She just listened to in. She wrote to us, correct? Okay. Her suggest. Question is this. As a high priority. I'm still very much interested in new covering a case, I've mentioned before the murder of Naomi, Jim Alif. This case is about the clash between teenagers in parents, especially parents who are old enough to be the child's grandparents. I was a late one is my mother was forty three when I was born in my dad was fifty five. So yes, I think this is interesting. We've both looked at this case in it's definitely one that we want to cover. So they're also known as the barbecue murders here. All right. They're known as the barbecue murders because it was a double murder in Marin County, California and business consultant Jim Alvin his wife Naomi were murdered in their home by their sixteen year old adopted daughter Marlene olive inner twenty year old boyfriend Charles Riley, who then attempted to dispose of their bodies by burning them in a barbecue pit at a nearby. Campground? Rally was convicted of two counts of first degree murder and received a death sentence, which was later changed to life in prison with the possibility of parole Marlene Alif who was sick. Steen was tried as a juvenile and received a sentence of three to six years in the California youth authority juvenile facility. So she was released at age twenty one after serving just a little over four years. This case gained worldwide attention due to the age of the perpetrators. Of course, the details of the crime, which are grizzly and the wide disparity in sentencing between Charles Riley and Marlene all of this has also been the topic of continuing coverage in connection with his repeated bids for parole and she's head subsequent convictions for numerous other crimes, which I find interesting. I would like to follow up on how she did after getting out shoes kind of a career criminal. But nothing violent not that we know of. But that reminds MU that case we didn't Canada couple years ago. Yeah. Runaway devil. She was with thirteen. Yes. As far as we know our she's she's been out for several years, and his lead a clean life. As far as we know. And I think there's a big difference though between thirteen and sixteen years maturity think about that. Yeah. But it's definitely an interesting topic. So certainly has one we might wanna pursue. Thank you. Cindy. Thank you very much. So thank you to everyone for your emails and for your voicemails. And if you've sent a something, and we haven't read it on the area. We may be caustic has backlog, right or do. Okay. So don't give up hope. Okay. At that. You would anyway. No. All right. Well, we will see an ex time at quiet end. And thank you for listening. Join us abide by.

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20 Questions for the 2018-19 NBA Season | The Mismatch (Ep. 320)

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20 Questions for the 2018-19 NBA Season | The Mismatch (Ep. 320)

"Today's episode of the mismatch is brought to you by g. suite g. suite by Google cloud is a suite of cloud based productivity tools that includes g mail, dock, slide sheets and drive. You can make real time updates to the same document without having to keep track of multiple versions. And since all the tools or cloud base, your whole team can access the same document and work on the same page at the same time, make it with g. suite by Google cloud to find out more go to g. suite dot com. Welcome to the ringer NBA show. I'm Chris Vernon joining me as he does every Tuesday. The ringer dot com is Kevin O'Connor, Kevin o. concert. AK Kevin o. climber a Kevin o. conflict. Aka Kevin. Oh, candy. Laying aka Kevin. No Cryer. Oh, and by the way, welcome to the mismatch everybody because we got a name, we have a name now, Chris, thank you. Everybody for submitting endless amounts of suggestions, and it took us forever to find one. But thankfully we landed on the mismatch. I think it works for us. Don't you? Chris? It does because now all of your fans can tweet me. Yeah, you're right. It is a man. Kevin, so smart and Kevin. So nuanced and Kevin thoughtful, then you your brain dead ogres. But then you have the people that dock me for having nuance. Sad. You don't. Mismatch disagree on things. It's Antic it's perfect. Hey, we are friends and it's just hopefully like your friends arguing about stuff. That's what it really is. Yep. Seventy third season of the NBA this year for the two thousand eighteen nineteen season and the season is upon us a with the season being upon us. We are going to answer twenty questions about the upcoming NBA season and we will get right into them. Are you ready? Kevin? I'm ready for twenty questions. It's a great game. All right. Number one, the NBA finals will feature who the warriors and Celtics. All right. I actually agree with you. I think it will be really going on a limb here. We are boys right off the bat, no disagreement so much for mismatch. We'll have to change the name. Okay. We'll know we're getting the number two. If I told you Kevin, I've looked into the future and for certain one of those two teams. Is not going to be in the NBA finals. I'm guaranteeing you that one of those teams is not going to be in the NBA finals. So now you get a third team to choose from that you think could be in the NBA finals. If it is not one of those two Allah go with the raptors hair and here's why Chris, I think when you look at that potential Celtics raptors Eastern Conference finals, matchup if that's what it is, it means quiet. Leonard is as good as he wasn't twenty sixteen seventeen or even better. It means that Toronto's younger role players like Fred van bleed and OG and OBI got better, and it means Boston state healthy because they already have pretty loaded roster as last year. And I think Toronto with Colli Leonard it with a little bit of improvement could knock Boston off in the east end you could foresee a situation where it's like maybe Pacers or a bucks, or I'm saying somebody early in the playoffs right? There are enough strong teams may be in the semi's that somebody knocks them off. Possibly. I could see you with the raptors. I mean, you take that team and you're adding quite Leonard to. It were obviously, you know, thinking about health, I'll give you one in the Western Conference. I really liked that Utah team man, and they got hotter than hill in the second half of the season. And again, it's very strongly believe that the two teams that are going to be there are going to be that they should be prohibitive favorites. I also like your Toronto pick if I've got to go with somebody in the west, like out of nowhere. You know something happens. The warriors have gotten pretty good health and their depth is by virtue of extended winning. Your depth continues to get hurt right year after year and that Utah team, I think, throws a wrench if they could keep Rubio healthy if they could keep go bare healthy and obviously they've got Joe Ingles. They've got joing of Crowder was really good for them last year. He was a now. You get a full season with him. I just liked the teams that throw the. They've been great in the preseason. You know, they won every game of the preseason that I know that doesn't mean anything, but they've looked good in the preseason. And the other thing is they've got guys on that. I think Grayson Allen can actually play for them this year and you get hopefully a season of XM along with them. I don't know, man, I really liked that team and I think that they throw something different on the table than everybody else does, and they were banged up by the time they got to the playoffs last year. I mean, they didn't have the point guard and then they lost XM right after that for God's sakes. I dunno, I like that Utah team though. I think he ties a good pick as well. And honestly, I mean, Houston has been talked about a lot this preseason as a team that could be worse in terms of the wins column. And that's certainly possible. I mean after losing Trevor Aretha Luke by Mugabe, but the one thing I think keep in mind with Houston is a, as you know, you've seen him in Memphis, James NS as a pretty good player, and then Gary Clark on two contracts, maybe by the end of the season, his shot looks significantly better than it did it in his four years at Cincinnati, and he's already ferocious defender. And I think if you're talking about under the bright lights of the playoffs, you might miss Trevor. Reason by moutain. But then again, a reason was Mr. ofr, twelve and game seven and by Moody's shoulder has literally fallen off. So maybe you're better off with NSF Clark when it comes to play off time in may and possibly June? No, I'm an end this fan. Obviously, you know, like you said, I had him in Memphis it, but I mean, every coach gives up on him. You know what I mean? And this is solid, but I will tell you that like he's been a lot of different places. Yeah, and moves on to different places. Nobody's going onto him for whatever reason and so know that Houston themes going to be really good too. Yeah, I'm just saying if there's somebody outside of the pocket, the people are not talking about as a possible finals contender, but we both agree that the two teams that are prohibitive favorites should be prohibitive favorite. We also did not mention LeBron James, by the way, who's in the frigate finals every year for the last decade. I know he's in the west now, but he has been in the finals and he has more often than not. We look up at. The end. Like, why am I betting against LeBron James? So it'd be interesting to see how far he could get his team. Number three, the team that will surprise people. I had a hard time with this one. Could you got. The team that I think will surprise people is don't say Memphis. What? How dare you, how dare you think that I was going to be a Homer. All right. I will tell you the teams that I considered. Okay. I'm not gonna say Memphis because you would just laugh me off the face of your foot k. so I considered Cleveland, right? Because you are now without LeBron James. And so I think they're kind of an afterthought now. Right? So if they did well, this season, I think it would be surprising to people. Would you agree with that? Sure. Okay. I consider Charlotte. You've got a little change of pace again, total after thought team. I considered Orlando because everybody thinks they're going to be absolutely horrible. And they probably will be, but they've got some players. I really like, and I know there without a point guard, but like I saw them in the preseason and the rest of their team. I mean, they got some guys that are coming into their own, and I didn't. Even get to see Bomba in the game. I thought about Dallas riccar Lyle. I've seen the guy win games with his back core being Yogi, Ferrell, and Seth curry. So now he's got, we'll see of Smith and Luca compla- together, but he's got the Andre there. I mean, they got some solid guys. I know at the beginning of the season they're going to be without Dirk, and it sounds like barn to still banged up. I consider the clippers, Isaac, you love that. Don't you love it? Absolutely love it. I know you loved that. They look very good in the preseason. They were undefeated in the preseason rich Pat by the way, preseason. Let's not read too much into it, but it's a good sign for them. If they're healthy, they could be cheating. They were just riddled with injury last year, people forget. Yeah. Well, they have a lot of guys that do get injured. This is true. Gallinari and Avery Bradley is not a great trifecta to lean on right now, but those are good players if they can stay on the court. Yeah, but I will after all send, I will tell you those are the ones that I considered as teams that could surprise people this year. I think I'm going with Cleveland. Ooh, don't you think Cleveland is? You know, I love Colin Sexton. I love him. You got a bunch of veteran guys on that team in that Cleveland team, and I also think that you could get a monster, Kevin love season. Kevin. Love is what he's one of the ten best for sure. Right in the east shore. Yeah, something like that. Would you take him over Simmons? No. You wouldn't. I'm saying for this season just for this season, maybe not might shoot with the wrong hand, but he does pretty much everything else better than him of several rebound or shoot. I've hands, you can't shoot. Well when you shoot the wrong hand, Kevin love is an outstanding shoot. And Kevin love is also probably going to put up Minnesota Kevin love level production this year because they're gonna use him more as feature offense of player, but Simmons is a better defender of more versatile Fender transcend playmaker. Okay. We'll I'm saying that we're not gonna that because obviously you got Janas you've got a y, you've got the kids in Philadelphia. Caroline or Kevin love, who would you rather have? Probably this year's version of Kevin love, but Kyle Lowry is a better defensive player. Yeah. I mean, I don't. I don't know. It's really a tossup between some of those. I think the e stinks. They got, no George hill got the two kids from LA they got. I know everybody hates them now, but Clarkson and Nance or like, you know, they could play in your rotation and you still got the veterans and JR and Kyle Korver and you got tristen. I know you like Jaydee. I'm the president of the jetty awesome fan club the original, but I don't think I am anymore because he has a huge following. Now it's quite remarkable, see how that's develops. I think everybody thinks they're going to suck and I don't think they're gonna suck and that they could actually win games without LeBron James. So I'll go Cleveland. What about you? My answer is a little. I think I've you'd the question a little bit differently when when you Email that earlier for biggest surprise more so than like the winds loss column, I think Orlando is going to be interesting. They're not gonna win. Games, they're gonna stink, but with their length with Bomba, Aaron, Gordon, Jonathan Isaac. I think there will be an interesting team to monitor and they might surprise some people with their youth. How interesting they are. I don't think they're going to be an is sorta watch. Right? Like some of those matter teams in the past have been like on watchable. I think this year could be interesting. A put a guard. You're so bad if they had some guards go with that big. I mean, it's like Augustine, Jerry and grant. I mean, it's don't Trump. Yeah, that's. I mean, that's gonna keep them for me a good by the way. Love the coach. I'm Clifford fan. I think he's really good, but it ain't gonna win a lot. They're not back off them because of the guard to be clear. They're not gonna win a lot of games. No, you can't you. You can't win without gore kinda went through some of the other ones anyway. So I want wanna repeat. Okay. The team that will disappoint people this year that thinks is going to be good, but it's going to disappoint people, but I will tell you, I debated to Portland, and by the way moment of honesty thought to purge everybody in that Portland organization for shores is very, very tough time hearing the passing of Paul Allen, and that is the leader of their organization. He was obviously a titan in the technology world, but he's been a very significant sports owner for a long time in multiple sports. He lived a fascinating life. That's really did. He reached in so many different areas, football, basketball, sports, obviously, technique. But also music too. Yep. So I consider Portland and that is because you can walk around to people in. If I asked the question, I say, who is Portland's third best player? I guess people say they're kitsch, right. I mean, you have a difficult time deciding who their third best player is, and there's some guys they lost in the off season that I thought really helped them last year. One of which was Sabbah's Napier who impressed me every time I saw him because I thought he was. I mean, I just given up on him and he was good for them. He was certainly solid when he came in the game for them, and Davis is the other one, and I'm a fan of Ed Davis. And I think at Davis helped them played a lot of minutes for them last year effectively. So they were one of them. And then the other one, which is the one I'm going with is New Orleans who most people have New Orleans as a playoff team. This year wouldn't. You agree? Seems like a lot of people have been in the playoffs. Okay. Most people have them in the playoffs. Well, if I am to believe all that I read last year about the significance that Rondo head for that team, and I believe that to be true. I believe that Rondo head a major impact on them last year. You know, you read all those articles about him. Calling defensive plays from the sideline, and obviously he played well for them last year and could keep the ball moving, and it worked out better than I thought it was. Their perimeter guys are not good enough Kevin, you got drew and then what me it's like each one more and he taught Moore's on a bad player, Ian Clark. I'm just saying throughout the regular season, you've lost perimeter guy in Rondo who was significant for year. Rondo is really good last year for them really important, especially on, you know, playmaking but also communication the defensive end and you and I both agree on this front, right? That holiday and Davis have not been the beacons of health over the course of their careers, Davidson, healthier in recent. Here's though he's played ads for over seventy games. Each of the last two seasons that's for sure, but I'm not in love with any player on their team past drew and Anthony, and maybe that's enough. Maybe it's enough. I take that back. I love Randall. I just don't know if it's a great fit there for him, but I do. I'm a big Julius Randle fan. I dunno. I look at the pelicans and if I am to believe that Rondo head a major significant impact on them last year than I think his loss could have an impact on them. The other way, Nicola mirror teaches a guy that can't be overlooked either. He was really good for the pelicans after being acquired midseason from the bulls, and now you're going to get a full year of him, spacing the floor next to Davis, or you can play bully ball. Julius Randle. I think that flexibility in the front court is going to be really interesting to watch over the course of the season. I like them. I like how they can play different styles might not work out for the reasons stated Chris, but I like the fact that they can take on different shapes depending on the opponent or may. Force the opponent, the play, the way that they want them to play because Anthony Davis is a top three player in the NBA and you have Randall in miratec who can be swapped. I wish the perimeter guys were better. I mean, obviously, listen, they're building around Davis over the course of the years of his career has been downright malpractice and and now we hired the guys from clutch and so it ain't looking all that good. All right. Who's your disappointing team? If I got the pelicans, who do you got the Philadelphia seventy Sixers. Is this because of the way Marco full Tate cheese fries at summer league? No, I was thinking about this. The other Dell I would have done that. People would have never let me live it down so, but it has nothing to do with Marco Foltz cheese fry eating nothing it has to do get Markle's starting at acidy fact, that's floor. Spacing will be an issue for this team and granted Radic Suissa start second half. I don't know how long it's gonna last. It might only last till the end of the month for that matter. However, I am for them last season. They had that big win streak finish the year that pulled them from like the seven seed up to the top of the Eastern Conference. And that was against a lot of non playoff teams. And granted Philadelphia made their run and Joel Embiid should be projected to be better. Ben Simmons should be better. And the team is still really strong. Not saying they'll be bad by any means. All I'm saying is that maybe they're not three say maybe they're the four, maybe Indiana bumps them off maybe. All the projecting forward it's not achieved yet for that team. 'cause they're still so young. They were head of schedule last year. I think it's more about the hype that's around them right now than anything else. Chris. Well, I will say that if you pay attention any of those, like the stat guys, what they will tell you was post acquiring Belen, Elliott, Elliott Sova. Those guys were immense for them, but their lineups that included those guys, they really were. These were massive positive impact guys for that team and they don't have them anymore and they replace them really. We'll see. I think they certainly could move scholars not bad necessarily. Landry Shamet I think he's very, very underrated and a sham. And I think he looks really, really good in summer league. And yeah, just summer league bub-bubba blah. But you know, he's twenty one years old, two full seasons, which state it's really smart high q. player. He's the type of rookie. That even though he's a late first round, pick, you can project him to heaven understanding of the game and fit in early on, I think has shooting could be helpful at roster and he's not. It's hard to be worse than Belen Elian the defensive end of the floor. I don't think he will be any worse than him. There. I tell you this shame it. I was a huge fan of his in college. You remember that ringer story that I wrote about the nine guys that won't fail. Yeah, he was moving down the charts on these mock drafts, and so I really considered him and I two guys talked me out of him saying, be careful because the kid gets hurt a lot. 'cause I guess he'd missed his freshman year, right? He would have been on the vanfleet clanton e early at. He had had a couple like real injuries in college. He did and had a tough time staying on the court. And so they were saying, like, if you wanna look up in a couple of years, like it's just a risk. That's all. He just played four years at which state and he missed a lot of time, Chris. And so I was like from the ringers twenty eighteen draft guide. The I minus on their quote, underwent surge. Gery to repair a stress fracture in the fifth metatarsal on his left foot in November twenty fifteen. And then again on his right foot in July twenty. Seventeen. That's a lot of surgery on your feet before you're even in the NBA. Yeah. All right. So the seventy Sixers that will not be popular around your offices. Once people here, they're super hyped around these parts. I feel like the ringer is higher Sixers, Sixers fans themselves are, but we have a lot of Philadelphia, fancier. So there's still there's the feeling themselves over that eagles Super Bowl, right? So everything's going their way. All right. Number five, the coach that should worry the most about getting fired. Usually this is termed I coach fired, but we'll just term it that coach that should be worried the most that he needs to get off to a good start, isn't it? Onto the default answer. We're throwing him out. Oh, it's gotta be gotta, throw him out because. I am five. Fred Hoiberg may be the bulls cause they spent a ton of money, right? Yeah. And you know, with a young team, you wanna see some developments and progress, maybe they sputter early and they take an opportunity to pull the plug, but I still like Hoiberg do they were ton of money as LeVine. They threw a ton of money at Jabari. Yeah. So I mean, there spent a lot of money this time around, right? It's not a cheap roster. Oh, they probably think they should win. Some games. May be tough while tell you what I'm intrigued by the market in Carter front court, I really have for sure marketing. Once he's back from his injury, they could be interesting window Carter's guy's gonna contribute as a rookie and then they've got what forty something million tied up into Levin and Parker. I don't know how it works together. Jabbar is going to be a four, right? I mean, that's I mean, it's not about the seasons about development for the Chicago Bulls. Well, tell Fred Hoiberg that you know, piggybacking on, if if I'm right about the team that's going to be disappointing, then it's Alvin gentry sticking to your other then. Well, no, I'm just saying he's been on the hook before you to make people lose their minds. Yeah. Who are you gonna say Brad Stevens or something like that does not. Luke Walton. I mean, that's. LeBron gets it gets every guy. Yeah, ousted. Yeah, unbelievable. Tried to get spoiled trout too. I know Spoelstra is literally the only one that has made it local, make it through the season. Yeah, good coach, I think lukewarm deserves an opportunity with this young roster and I think LeBron James is going to give it to him. He's playing fast and preseason, and I'm very excited to see how long it sustains over the course of the regular season. I'd agree with you completely. I think Luke can do it. He's a good coach, really good coach and Portland is the other one that I'd mention. That's a good one. Yeah, right. I mean, tears dot said that job forever. Right? And they don't get out of the first round. And when Simmons did his deal with house over under podcast, he was talking about Damian Lillard being a Laker land. It sounded like he knew something. It sounded like he knew something house even called him out on it and even like what was the deal. It was pope and Lonzo LeBron wants to play with Damian. Lillard or one of the guys like the play with and that's chatter around the league. It has been since before LeBron even signed her. The Lakers. One of the many indicators LeBron was heading there. I just don't see even in a theoretical world where it was an offer like that. I don't see Portland dealing within the Western Conference about pope in Lonza. Do you think that's? I don't think. I don't think Portland will do it. I think they would look east whether you agree with that logic or not about dealing within your conference. It's what Lord, a lot of teams executives, owners feel. All right. Number six, the first year head coach, we will be most impressed with we've got James beret go in Charlotte. We Lloyd Peters in Atlanta. We've got Nick nurse in Toronto. We've got eager Kokoschka of in Phoenix which one give. That's my selection. Nicklaus nurse. Around, yes, McMorris you're gonna see trying playing faster, even more ball movement, more three pointers. I think we're gonna see that team a little bit of a step forward. And with these other teams, he's other coaches. They're not really in a position where people are going to necessarily be super impressed by the changes because they're not quite at the same level that Tronto is how about Berea though Charlotte's not ready to make leave, you don't think so. But what if Maliki monks, good this year I love is, you know, I love mine too. I just don't. I mean, sure. I think Baraga could. Absolutely. But I mean, Nick nurse on Toronto. Raptors aren't a position to win these conference. The Charlotte Hornets are not, you know, you're right. No. Well, listen, the Nick nurse thing is going to be a hundred percent about the playoffs. And of course poor Dwayne Casey's like, oh, great. Now LeBron leaves the frigging conference. I mean, that was the bane of his existence. He could just never be LeBron right. Oh, he kept drawing LeBron even when LeBron would get a crappy seed. He drew him last year before he could get to the east vise like, you wonder by luck of the draw. We could have seen a couple of raptors Eastern Conference finals appearances more than we did if they wouldn't have run into LeBron yet. I think there's a good case to be made that they could have gotten there. Maybe if they drew somebody else, but they were always in that bracket with LeBron and now they're not. And so this join Casey got he didn't get fired for regular season success. That's for sure. Guy was frigging coach of the year last year speaking about Dwayne, Casey, the pistons last year attempted thirty three percent of their shots from three point range as little towards the middle of the league. This preseason, they tended forty four percent of their shots from three just near the top. So I'm excited to see how that team looks with Blake, shoot and more threes. Even Andre Drummond. Shooting threes, missed all of them and preseason, but it'll be fascinating to see how that team looks with their new-look system. Do you have anybody can hit him. Who can hit threes on head team. Bullock they have. I don't hope that smart to be shooting. Right. It's one thing to shoot that many. It's another thing to have the guys that can make them. You don't have to be that gray Adam to have higher rally than a deep too. You're right. It's really not even about deep to versus threes for a guy like drama. It's about you want him in the dunker spot. You want him rolling down the lane, the pick and roll. Andre Drummond is shooting threes shot. Eleven three pointers in preseason any clanked all of them off the backboard or the the, not off the backboard like off the side of the backward. I mean, like back of the rim, do you play to k now I haven't in years. You can't hit a damn free throw with the guy. Sixty percent from line now he's changed his shot. Well, not to those. All right. Next one, the player with the chance at being this year's Ola depot. Ooh, I like this one. I wrote an article about this Chris couple of weeks ago number seven. The player that has a chance at being this year's Ola depot, like maybe somebody that was highly touted and now you know, we kind of, I don't want to say, gave up on them being star, but then came into their own and became a star. Who do you have for this? I'm curious what your answer. I, you know, I love Justice Winslow. I love him to just not giving up on them. I wouldn't giving up on him. Was he? He still like twenty one, right? He is every time I look at his age. I'm like my God. How is he still so young? I'm just a big fan just turned time this year for what it's worth. I was joking too, right? But he is he still twenty two years old and I loved him at Duke. And I think that the kids got more offense of game than he shows that he showed so far. I think Justice wins are going to be a big time player in the league. I've said that for a long long time and I'm just not giving up, so he's my dig it. I really, really liked that pick. I don't know if it's in the cards for him in Miami play next to assign Whiteside. I wanna see Winslow in a role where he's playing more small, five. The Draymond green type of role for Winslow is where he would, or he would be at his absolute best and maybe Miami puts him in more of the situations they have in the past. So we'll see about that. My pick, Chris, I've two guys that I had an article. I mentioned they don't really fit that same description that you gave earlier about the pick that people gave up on, but Chris Middleton for the Milwaukee Bucks. I think in Mike Buddha holders, new system Middleton is gonna shoot more threes than he ever has. And he's a stellar shooter. He's improved in other ways as well. With the amount of spacing on that roster with Kupa taking another step forward. And his game to Middleton has an opportunity to be coming all star in the week, Eastern Conference. And then the other guy is tarring prints on the Atlanta Hawks. He's made strides in each season of his career and prince's somebody who out of Baylor, I worried about his shot selection. I worried about his decision making and that's gotten better, but so hasn't every single other part of his game has shot shooting off. The dribble is ball handling you still ferocious hardnosed defender prints and Middleton of the two guys that I could make a leap. Oh, that's good ones. And Middleton's obviously been in the league for a long time. So that would be cool to see with the prince thing usually good in the playoffs. I remember him jumping off the screen, the me a couple of years ago as a rookie mean he was getting real playoff minutes. I love that guy. I do to draft. I've wanted the love him. I really did just the decision making so bad for an upper classmen. I really worried about that, but Atlanta did. Took him at twelve really high lot higher than many people expected that go and not only that they treated four the pick, and that's always an indicator that the franchise loves player when you actually trading for them. Yep. And he, I believe he is. I mean, he's pretty well carrying the torch to somebody who's been very good out of Baylor. I mean, there've been discipline. I remember Kato, Perry Jones Perry Jones. Oh my God. Just the Baylor kids have not really translated. Do you know how much loved Jerry Jones. Oh, you did? I loved Perry Jones so much. The draft. No, moved to number eight. We had an amazing, amazing rookie class last year, Kevin, who has the best second year and I'll even let you throw in Bensimon. Let's say it's been Simmons, man spends in and who else would it be Donovan show? I know. I know I'm only kid. Who else would it be for moment? I wanna jazz fans. I think we forgot about Donovan Mitchell. Of course dinners. He's fantastic. It'd be the real rookie of the year. Yeah, yeah. Hey, you know what going off your Orlando thing earlier and how much we heap praise on him during summer league Isaac, totally off the board. He is not mentioned at all amongst the Tatum's and the Mitchells and the Simmons's Markkanen even guys that, like I mean, God, the frigging rookie class was crazy. Like Lonzo was like a disappointment to people which is unbelievable. Right? You know, we kind of glossed over though. Chris, Jason Tatum Tatum was fantastic last season for the Celtics, and he should take another step in terms of skill. But the question was about best season and with with, hey, Rebecca, and all the other guys, the opportunities necessarily there. That's a lot of shots, Hayward, kyri you're back in the lineup. It's gonna be interesting to see how that all breaks down for Boston. They're going to task. Oh, of course they're going to be awesome. I'm just saying if we look at the individual output of the guys. Oh yeah. Whose line. Suffers Tatum's Jalen l. Horford Elhorga or I think I'll Horford could be under ten points per game, really? Yeah, I do. I think he's gonna sacrifice a lot. Do like a dream on thing where it's like some nights. He's just got ten rebounds, six assists than three blocks yet and maybe hit a three or two to stretch out the or something like that l. Horford it's going to be the guy that sacrificing points and he's okay with that. It's not something any necessarily does. He's not gonna score more than he did last year which was only twelve point nine points per game. And this preseason, he scored eight point three points per thirty two minutes and he's not gonna play much more than thirty two miles every game he could. He could easily be under ten points per game for the first time in his entire career. So like the end of last year you've got Simmons, I've got Mitchell, but let's throw in a little bonus here at the end of the year. Do you think that when it comes to the number one and number two pick in that draft? Do we. Think Fulton or ball is the better player off this season is completed. If we go back in time, you'd take Lonzo Tatum you take Mitchell saying just between those two. No question. No question about it. By the way, neither of them could shoot to me. I mean, looking back at the drafts my top three was false Tatum ball. It was pretty tight between those three. In my opinion. I think there's a little bit of a little drop-off from Tatum to ball, but it was pretty close and I wouldn't have argued, but somebody if they took ball over Foltz in the drafts I would've disagreed with the decision, but I could see the logic behind it. There's different types of players, and I think Lonzo ball moving forward with the factor that Marco Foltz we'll see about a shot, but it doesn't look that great needed as the free throws lease. He was a really good shooter at one point in his life. I think Lonzo shot is better than people think it is because it looks so ugly, but it's not bad. It really is though gli. And it's really is number nine. Number nine. Number nine. Number nine. The most triumphant return from injury Gordon Hayward, Leonard, Kris, Porzingis, DeMarcus cousins. Career Ving. Oh, and because I want to be a Homer, Mike Conley. It's gotta be cool. I write it has to be quite Leonard because of the weirdness of that injury, the mysterious nece behind that whole season. And now he's back in Toronto a team that's just got pounded by LeBron come up multiple years in a row, disappointment, disappointment. Now, Leonard here to save the day. It has to be qui- you think Hawaii is the one gotta be. It's hard to save the day on a team that damn near one sixty games. And that's why it's also not Gordon Hayward because even Hayward himself was like Jesus. You know, this team went to the finals without me. Kyri same way, right. I mean, I know he didn't miss the whole season, but I agree with you. All right, ten. The leading score in the NBA this year will be say the phone at the same time like three, two one go, I wanna see if we have the same one. I have a hunch we do. I don't know why you want to count it down is a key countdown. Yeah. Okay. Three to one any day. Jaanus I'm saying. So here's why I thought you had a Chris because you project them to not meet expectations. Correct. My thought was that Anthony Davis will be compensating by scoring more and that's why you would pick him as the leading score in the NBA. Is that right? Well, I know that these teams have to score like they usually score over hundreds on point tonight. Right now, go look to their roster and tell me where the hundred something are coming from, and they're gonna play a really fast pace this year, right? New Orleans is gonna play fast. Couldn't you see him averaging thirty five night seriously? I mean he could. I mean, just some barrier editor at the ringer dot com used to cover the pelicans for ESPN and he mentioned how telecoms are probably gonna break pace records this year in in preseason, they'd lead all NBA teams of hundred fourteen point to pace, which is possessions per game. They're going to be too fast. Well, here's the other thing. He was second last year behind harden and harden got his MVP and his scoring title. And so is he. Gonna you know every night the same way, go out there and give you thirty every single night like you did before the need to doesn't need to know eighty kind of does a hundred percent. And I mean house hardened gonna average thirty. He's got Carmelo on his team. Stand in the corner, get over there. Get over there who'd he mellow in the corner. Wow, I can't believe we agreed on that thing with is like cousins was also on the team for the season. That's true, sharing the rock with him. I think eighty is going to be the guy try and it's weird to say this, Chris, but Anthony Davis could have a sounds really dumb, Anthony Davis kind of a breakout season by that. I mean before the sediment every day he thinks is the best player in the NBA if AD wins. MVP. If he leads league in scoring and he's a defensive player of the year candidate, if not the winter, that conversations going to start, if I'm right, gentry might get fired and they move him. They're not going to trade eighty four and knocking to treat eighty the season. I would be floored. I would be floored if they traded him during the season. If you're the New Orleans pelicans, what you have to do is do everything else before he trade Anthony Davis, that's making a dishes trying to throw stuff against the wall, what steaks and then maybe in the sun. Summer that's a trade would happen. But during the year I would just be flat out stunned if he were traded. If you wanna get the absolute most for him though, are you taking the side of blow it up? Chris? I mean, I'm just listening type inning. Take years, eight years. They hadn't built around him and now he's got all the clutch guys in his ear, Chris, two years ago, two years ago when we first started doing this podcast together, you were so against blowing it up. The can't do it no way. Never. Never. You gotta. You gotta try. What are they blow it? They play on Weiss this and they got knocked out in the first round. You talk about blown-up up. Good teams the us talk about, but you'd wanna blow up the dam ramp. There's a couple of years ago now. Look, they got Leonard. What I wanted them to do is go into the summer and assess the team. Oh, then consider blowing up and they and they didn't have to they, Dan because the team better, they changed the system star shooting more threes, starting passing, blow it up. We're talking about frigate be. They won't play on the clippers. They got nothing else to blow up. I know you gotta needs one more jersey but come on. There's nothing else on. Four. Where the same number is a mecca because didn't he played for them last year. Probably a mecca Shire's. He's running around. You could just buy it Okeafor on clearance from last year and it would actually apply. I'm rooting for Jalil Okafor. I'm just very skeptical of it's gonna work out for them, but I'm rooting for them. Looks to be in great shape. He does. I saw that story about, all right. We got take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll give you the last ten questions for the upcoming NBA season. Today's episode of the mismatch is brought to you by stitch. 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I saw Kevin heard her in person a week and a half ago. They put them in the game. Finally, Louis Pierce was like, dude, we gotta get Rian three pick and rolls just right at him. I mean, he can't guard me. I'm serious. He looked like an NBA player. He doesn't when he moves laterally, I'll tell you that. When he shoots the ball, he certainly does, and his playmaking could be good the line. All right. So that is you were bad answer. The Atlanta Hawks, they're gonna suck. I actually think I'm gonna be most intrigued with wanting to see what Luke does. He will draw. That's the real high Luca dodgers you're gonna have to watch leap past see him right. Say the Phoenix I didn't wanna treat you all my. I didn't want to. Dare you. Dare you. Joins. I'm gonna say the king so I can watch my boy Bagley. Kings, Chris checkout. Harry Giles has passing. He's looking like a soul. I put up a video clip. I retweeted somebody last week. I got a lot of traction on that one from fans because I'd said I passed along a story, which is absolutely true. And some people say, the dude is not Chris Webber. I'm telling you in highschool. There were a lot of people that were convinced Harry Giles was going to be the next Chris Webber, but he was that level of skilled player. By the way it was without question. He was the best player in that class until the injuries just robbed him, you know, and then obviously the year at Duke was a disaster and he's been trying to come back from these injuries and this he looked good in summer league. He's look good in the preseason so far. I'm really rooting for him because once upon a time there's a couple of these kids that were like high school kids that they really got it taken away from them, what they could have been. The greatest example of this with somebody. Yeah, I was talking about the other night at a game with somebody. If you ever go back Sunday Carro his wife. Pam ran the ABCD Kant's, which is the elite level summer camp every year. And she sent me a bunch of the DVD's from this and they're unbelievable to go back and watch. But there's one of them and this is when all the best players were playing against each other, all the high school kids in the country and Bill Walker who ended up going to Kansas state. I mean, you've never seen anything like this. Kevin. Bill Walker in high school was an absolute freak of nature. But I mean, he ended up, you know, busted his knees, one hundred times over now known as Henry Walker. He just never fulfilled his destiny. Anybody can go look up his high school YouTube clips. It's like watching an NBA all star playing in a high school game. It's crazy. I really liked him a second round, pick good flyer in the mid late second round for the Celtics in what was it? Oh, seven, eight zero eight. I think for Bill Bill Walker anyway, but yeah, Giles same kind of deal. Where he was supposed to be off the charts, and then it's, it's really been robbed for him, still could be. I mean, he's. A lot of leg injuries in his life, and we'll see how it works out for him, but there's no doubt. The talents is there for him to be a multidimensional switchable elite rebounder who can pass and can space the floor little bit Giles's. I hoped he really stays healthy. I do back to our original conversation. DeLuca thing is it's just so intriguing because it's we didn't get to see him in college like we did most of these guys, right? I've seen a lot of these guys play a ton, and I've seen Luca play in the euro league, but now is like the first go round where you're getting to see against all these guys. And so I am super intrigued. Number twelve people will think blank about stand Van Gundy as an announcer, I think maybe the same as my reaction. Wait stemming. The is announcing really know that. I mean, it's not something really on my radar. Interesting. I read. Really hope, no, offensive. Mark Jackson, I hope they put the brothers together. That'd be cool. I'd love to do because they will fight like on the air and I will love it because jiffy gun, the Mark can be kind of passive and I stand with like, go right back at him or maybe they just agree on stuff. I don't know. But I mean, you should've. I don't know if you've heard Zach, Lowe's last podcast Geoff in good. He was so damn contentious about everything was he really was so contentious about everything it. I wanna get stand in there with him. I think STAN Gundy is going to be great, and I think fans are going to love his, he announces or just to studio stuff. No, no, he's going to be. I think he's gonna be calling games. Yeah, I didn't know that saw the like doing the job for all that sometimes and sometimes you never know what these guys. I mean, everybody thought Rex Ryan was going to be amazing, and he's just not. He's not. He's an amazing personality as a coach, but is in amazing personality as a broad. Pastor, not a good coach, either good defensive coordinator not against NFL talk again, but hold on now. He did go to the AFC championship twice. I understand. It's not like the jets have done anything since he's been going number thirteen. The raptors could re-sign coli. If. You know. I, if he understands math. No, because it's five years one ninety right to resign there and it's four years. One hundred forty one from anyone else any already walked away from thirty million, right? Because he could assign the five-year supermax for to twenty San Antonio. Like dude, how much money do you wanna lose on this deal? I don't know, and he's got the shoot, he'll pending. So who knows what he's going to do with that. But the answer is what he goes to the east finals. Maybe that's part of it. I think to your point, Chris about the money as well for a guy that's had the injuries that he's had. You have to think about what's in your in the most financial interests. However, my response is a little bit more, but whatever just makes you happy. And if Colli Leonard is happy living in Canada, then they can recite them because it's still a lot of money even if he signs elsewhere. I mean if he's happier living in Los Angeles playing the clippers, the Lakers making a little bit less money. You're gonna do that. He needs to like living in Canada. He needs to enjoy up there, genuinely enjoy it. And then there's certainly a chance. By that candidates great country, and they have incredible fans in Toronto as well. They're going to be insane the season rooting for that team. We will remember year ago if we had that exact same exchange about Paul, George, we would have said zero chance zero, especially in. Okay. See to right Paul. George didn't have Drake recruiting him the whole season either like, oh, is gonna. Have I wonder if Kawais a big Drake fail? I dunno. I wonder I'd love to know more about Komis tastes in music. I would to all right number fourteen a dark horse, rookie of the year pick if there is a Donovan Mitchell this year that has like, you know, he is drafted thirteen. So if we say, you know ten to twenty guy that got drafted ten to twenty that maybe that happens. There have been reading a lot of guilt. Alexander Alexandra's one for sure. Little higher than ten window Carter from the Chicago Bulls. He stands out. Maybe if there's not somebody who sticks out in terms of the numbers Carter moves up the charts like a two way, big contributes to winning, blah, blah, blah. And that within the next guy's Colin and I love Colin. So maybe I go with eight if I go lower my next guy would be mild bridges. How about Harry Giles? We talked about him a little bit earlier, so not repeat ourselves, but Giles and Sacramento, his two way ability. Maybe he's somebody that moves into that conversation as well. I think Sandra's a little too raw and my eyes to be the pick miles another one. Yeah. Yeah. I said him. I love him. Alternately, I, if you're if you're if you're a betting man, luanch Deandra and or Trey young, I think LUKA could put up fifteen five and five this year eight and could be one of the very rare centers who puts up twenty and ten as a rookie. And then trae young is gonna put a volume numb. He could be twenty seven or even like a seventeen and seven type season. Here's the truth of the matter. The down of Mitchell thing was insanely rare. It doesn't happen, right? That's why it stands out so much how great he was, though he went thirteenth towards the end of the lottery and had that amazing rookie season. So probably not likely the truth is we won't have a Donovan Mitchell this year 'cause we almost never do number fifteen. The biggest star possibly traded not named Jimmy Butler. You go first on this one. Okay. Here's what I considered. I considered Kemba Walker. I considered Anthony Davis. I considered Damian Lillard and Damian Lillard is probably what I'm going to settle on. It is only because I listened to Simmons in house and Simmons really sounded like he knew something. Maybe he doesn't LeBron wasa play with Lillard. I get that he wants to play with Lillard and I could see Portland season going wrong. As I said, who's the who's the third best player on the team? I think Kemba more likely between those two yards for sure. Kemba probably more likely to, I would have said if I had not listened to Bill in house, semen sounded I don't know. He kept repeating it and house, like kind of called him out on it. Like you sounds like you've heard. Like did. It's been talked about that if it gets an Portland because couldn't you see Portland pulling the plug on the Lillard McCollum thing anyway. Oh, for sure. Right. You know the other one that could get broken up his wall and Beal. Yeah, that's another one too. You could see that one coming to an end, especially at the Dwight bowl of Irish overtakes the wizard, and it's not going their way. Maybe one of those two guys could end up getting moved. All right. So who is your pick Kevin? Marcus. Sorry, Chris had just for you during the preseason. He has not been engaged. He is not at all, and I'm hoping that's because he is a veteran that doesn't give cry, really does not look like he cares one bit. This free season. It's just your guys. All that. A lot of these guys are like that. I tell you this, you don't absolute. Worst was last year in the preseason. I was so freaked out to, you know, who is the worst? Tyree givens. Oh, yeah. I mean, it just east throw in the ball into the tenth row and I'm like, dude, what has happened? And the second season started. He was frigging amazing like immediately there's some of these guys lights come on, you know, and they go time and they go. So I'm hoping that's Mark. You think they could get anything for Mark if they had to move him maybe a little bit. I'll think you're gonna get much farm because guess why? Chris guess why they waited too long to pull the plug. Oh, for God's sakes. What if there? Let's go back to the other question there. My surprise. Screw you. They're surprised. We are a year removed from people having him and Conley in the top twenty five players in the league for God's sakes, and they missed one season and everybody's throw dirt on top, whatever to joke to nab, salute nobody throwing dirt on. Stuck in the middle curse and their old because all the player option for next year almost twenty six million dollars. It's development time. Chris, we've seen Duncan, we've seen Dirk. We've seen we should've bunch of guys play into the agent still be highly effect. I'm not saying a whole other his own others, highly effective edited Vance age. All I'm saying, Chris is that Jaren Jackson looks special for you guys and it's time to focus on development tank tank. Let me back up a just didn't give up one of their picks in the next three years. The Celtics have their first round, pick top aide protected this year, top six protected the following year, and then it's unprotected in twenty twenty one. So in one of those years, Memphis is going to lose their first round pick if I'm Memphis. Ideally, this is the year with that pick conveys to Boston where you're like the tenth worst team in the league, right? You trade a soul in February. You hang onto con. You win some games you stick is nine tenth eleventh. Worst you give the pick the Boston and then you're free to tank and twenty twenty and twenty twenty one. Did you not know? They signed Kyle Anderson Garrett penpal and Chandler Parsons as new Germany. Maybe they. They're ready to go shopping max in the building shell them back, Orlando, Magic assist leader. Oh boy. He would again this year for them. Yeah. Jay Augustine. Yeah, we will see. We will see Kevin, hey, this shit's recorded. You say in this. This is recorded Kevin. Everybody else blow it up to load up Memphis Dallas. Why shouldn't Dallas just tank again? Why shouldn't they tank again, Kevin, why they go sign the Andre Jordan? Where do they trying to get forty wins? Just tank again, tying again, why shouldn't they tank again something to go with Donncha, which they should tank. Right. This trade Harrison Barnes is your trade the tank again. Thank again, right. What's the point? Don't have their pig. That's. Well, thankfully protected. If I remember everybody loves Denver this year. But I mean, obviously they didn't make the playoffs last year trade Yokich and get rid of Gary Harris and Bill around Jamal Murray and tank again and same with Minnesota and same with every team in the league. That's not like one of the top four seeds you think should get in the business of tank. I don't feel that at all. Actually, that's, you know, I don't. It's much more new. Why should thank you Taoiseach not? Why should Memphis tank wash Dallas? Not what I take. I mean tank next year and the purpose tank the following two years, not this year. This year you're competing early in the season, and then you're pulling the plug made year. That's the approach the season. If there's a deal. That makes sense to make no guarantees that when you've weighed in SOGA souls, thirty three and calmly has had a injury to do that anyway. Why not Dallas? Because I think they have a pretty good roster and I think it's a younger sending roster. Older descending roster. Let's the younger sending roster Luca Luca Danni coach d. s. j. Harrison Barnes still on the younger side, deandre Jordan and the older, but plugging him into that situation is interesting. Oh, of course it's interesting and they wouldn't tank because they're picking only top five protected and they're not bad enough. There's not bad enough to be in the top five necessarily bad enough kids. They don't have Kevin O'Connor on staff telling them to with a new draft odds, you can have the eighth worst record and still have a six percent, seven percent chance at winning the lottery. Ooh, that new flattened. Odds sounds like good huts much better. The was in the past good core. All right. Number sixteen, the two thousand fourteen draft has seen these players get bailed on by their teams after rookie contract, top ten picks that were either traded or retained by their team of these guys, which one is most likely. Likely to make the team that did not retain them really regret it. Jabari Parker. Julius Randle, Nick staus Casse Noah. Von lay Elford Peyton. This answers a little more complicated than that actually sounds when I give it, I'm strictly talking about on-court not anything else. That's Julius Randle. I think he could be pretty good for the pelicans playing alongside Anthony Davis, and I think he was good last year for the LA Lakers. I think with the Lakers they could've used a ball handling sometimes versatile center who rebounds at a high level like Randall. So I think they could miss him this year. Granted when you factor an egg thing else, it's understandable why they let them go. You say, it's understandable. I look at his contract and I still say, why? Why is he not on that team? He got listen to million bucks. So what's the reason he did in? But it's still thinking long term. The deal was two years. You need an option year, right? It's a player option though. So for that second year you need to. Retain cap space to pursue a second max for Asian as other stuff as well. But maybe so in my world, getting a player of Julius Randle caliber for that contract is well worth, oh, no doubt about it. I figure the rest of the stuff out, especially when I've got. I mean, I don't know. Maybe they will have that cap space and they'll get a wire, they'll get into, you know, whoever Lillard. Chris Middleton who knows maybe punt and wait another year, and then they'll just use that money for contagious call. We'll pope again. Number seventeen. After this season, what will people think of the Luca trae young swap my real answer is it's still too early to grade after just one year, but the what people think answer is good trade. I think trae young will impress with Atlanta. He's gonna put up, big scoring numbers efficiency is going to not be good. His defense is going to be even worse, but he's gonna pass the ball. He's gonna hit some big shots, and he's gonna impress people and Luca is going to be Luca. Gonna put up big numbers for rookie fifteen five and five or so. And gonna be living on highlight reels on Instagram, Snapchat, Twitter, everywhere. But you don't think there will be declared winner after the year. I mean, people already declared ballast winter, I know, but now season after season plays out, you can't. You can't clear the winter until we find what Atlanta does with the pick like the deal's not done yet. That's very, we really won't know for another five or six years. Who quote unquote won the deal as we know everybody is very patient about making decisions on these things. Yeah, right. I think it was a better deal for Dallas at the moment that it happened. I. To look up at the end of this year and go God. That was stupid very thing because Luke is going to be so amazing to watch, and he's going to be produce viral. Like every little thing he does. Some of the passes that he's already made like not just like he had a pass to west. He's in the corner last preseason game where he went behind the back, attacking the basket, and then just whip. This LeBron style passed a dart to the corner and Matthews just missed threes head highlights like that. Just like pushing the ball ahead and transition moving ahead, little things that he does. He is. It's not an exaggeration to say, Luca Danni, riches transcended playmaker and I really, really hope Dallas feeds him opportunity to just play that point forward roll this season instead of distributing it amongst the team. I wanna see Luca really handle that ball lot. I actually think that that would serve Smith well too. 'cause I don't think Smith's gonna be run the team big assist guy. Any. Anyway, he can run off answer shore, like you mean, dominating the ball and I'm with you on. Yeah, and I'm saying, I think the kid could be dynamite scorer you know what I mean? Maybe that's more of his destiny anyway, right? More of the rather than the set everybody up and throw the Nola passes to somebody or whatever make make everybody else better necessarily. Yeah. I mean Lucas on another level that category number eighteen and this great one for you because I know that you start paying attention to the NBA draft wants the other one ends. And so you have an awareness college. Basketball's around the corner, the college player that we will all go out of our way to be watching for these teams that are going to end up with a number one, two or three. I'm sending new Jaren Jackson Cleese. I've loved one a Saint you Rashawn homes one. It's now a throwback. It is a throwback. I, I wear that like as nightshirt usually that Rashawn homes Sherzai is a to go to bed. That's true. The answer for this one. It's Duke the team because on that team RJ Barrett camera, tish in Zion. Williamson, I think from those guys, the NBA draft geeks like me and you, Chris and Friday show. We have come in with me sharks, any child RJ Barrett's going to be in all likelihood, the number one pick and the guy that the draft geeks are watching, but fans, Zion, Williamson is going to put on a show. He is going to put on a show. He's been putting on a show on house a highlights for the last four years to Zion, Williamson. When you think about it, he's not even in the NBA and he already has over a million followers almost two million followers on Instagram. That is so unusual for a high school kid to have that much of a following bring that into college RJ Barrett, three hundred thirty thousand which is a lot for a kid, obviously, but one point, seven million for violently ill. Obscene Elam he's the guy everybody is going to be watching for sure. I tell you this, man, I should have wrote this down. I was talking to some. I think it was during the workouts and everything that were going on. And then when we were at summer league and I was asking guys around, they're like who to keep an eye out for an NBA guys. And they told me the kid against aga- harshly mar hetchy Myrrha he's projected to go like in the top ten already, right? Maybe I mean, we'll say it depends on how a shot develops of the course of the season. I think he's from Japan. And the reason about him now is because that's how it came up. The kid that's from Japan. U2. Watanabe is two way player for the grizzlies and he is going to be the second Japanese player to ever appear in the NBA, but that this kid is like right behind him, and he's really good. He's he's an intriguing player. He made good progress last year for aga-, but the shots sittings come along for him to reach the potential bed that is very. Easy to see. Gotcha. I just had a couple of people mentioned to somebody. I'll go out of my way to check out when obviously it's so crazy that we are so aware of these guys. Right? Like I mean, I feel like I knows. I mean. Aware of Williamson and RJ Barrett these guys and following those guys for a couple years now, especially as I on, he's a great name. Hasn't he? Zion amazing. I on. I've never known as ion. Well, you know what it makes me think of is it was just not that long ago is the, it was some big anniversary for the miseducation of Lauryn Hill, and she's got a song on there about her son and his name was I on the only others I on ever heard of. It's an amazing song to I'm surprised you're not a big Lauren hill fan. You don't own talking about, I know who aren't Hillis doesn't know who learn how is. I haven't listened to a lot of her. I mean, I know who she is. It is by far the most underrated track on that entire record. It's about her son, and it's about people told her not to have him. I know that song I've heard before it's called Tuesday on, I think I've seen her talking about that song. It's like one of those Facebook posts a really? Yeah. I don't know, Carlos Santanas on that track. True. I've heard that song before gray tone the most underrated song on that whole record. It's very, very touching. There you go. There's your music moment number nineteen. Isaiah Thomas from all NBA a couple years ago and top five in the MVP rankings to last year, obviously being the buckle to now playing with the Denver Nuggets team that a lot of people really, really like Isaiah Thomas. He signed the one year deal, so he's got the prove yourself year. He averages blank points per game this year. I mean, I like hopefully he comes back soon and hopefully he's healthy maybe like eleven or twelve. Oh really? Yeah, you don't think he blows up and becomes this like, oh, for six man that like do you think is days of the big contractor over long over, really? I mean, I wanna be proven wrong, I do you don't. I see a circumstance where they could look at him and say, hey, everybody needs a Jamal, Crawford type and Jamal. Crawford, obviously just got out. Other deal to look at that Denver roster man, like Nicole Yokich is the best passing center in basketball. One of the most talented passing big men ever. He handles the ball. Paul Millsap BAC Jamal Mari. Gary Harris will bar in all handled a ball. There's not enough opportunity for Thomas to to shine in Denver he can shine within his role, but that that means ten to twelve points. You know, sparking off the bench scoring twenty sometimes. And maybe you bump up your average to fifteen ish like last year with the Lakers by just don't know if the opportunities there for him. It's about getting back man as about setting yourself up for the next opportunity. This year, I'm going to say I'm going to say closer to eighteen because he's got his way that he loves hero chance. He loves that guy and that guy's gonna play him. If he ever eighteen, it'll be something closer to than say it's closer to eighteen and eleven. So what's that? Let's split the different. So if the over unders fourteen and a half year over and I'm under yes. AT say, okay. And I wanna make a better that because we don't play. I was surprised. All right. Let's say, well, he was a huge may just a year ago and now it's all going wrong. And I think people forgotten about it. People like that. Denver team just want to stay healthy of watching Thomas for longtime. I loved watching him in sac, and it's great to see him come back and shine like he did in Boston and hopefully he comes back soon. Man. Hopefully he does, and I cannot believe that mcdonagh guy traded him. I'm kidding. Had enough of that for the last. Last one number twenty. Jimmy Butler is no longer on the Minnesota Timberwolves by, oh boy, let's say mid December. Like when the some of those contracts are available to be dealt once more players revealed to be traded, mid late, December, something like that. I think there's absolutely no way he makes you to December no way time goes by quickly. Man, they hate each, they all eight each other. Now. Yeah. I mean, you can. You can get a couple of games and he's going to go in the locker room yelling at everybody. Again. I mean, it's just gonna be untenable. I think I mean, put it this way. If there's a lot of outbursts, maybe puts Minnesota physician where they have to deal in quicker. But at this way it can be anytime just the team needs to step up. I think that's more likely to happen, mid December, even maybe into early January. And one of the thing about that Tibbs still does not want to deal him period still is not wanna deal him. I think Tibbs probably going to set up a deal where he trained himself and Jimmy Butler somewhere. Let me to get the deal done yet. He's telling everybody off, throw me in come, run your defense me and Jimmy. All right. I say he doesn't make it to December. You say he makes it to December. So you're saying early November late, November, I'm saying within the first month of the season, he's gone what we start today for the season. Yes. So that's Tober sixteenth. I say, by the end of November, he's gone. Okay, cool. Maybe within the next couple of weeks, it's fair after all dies down a little bit and teams are like, oh, maybe my team's not as good as I thought they were going to be and they're willing to make a deal right, or it's better than we expected to be everybody over everybody overreacted the first you know month of the season, right? They look at their team and then they're like, oh, boy, we gotta do something or we're going to bail on this or whatever. So yeah, I think something will come to happen within the next six weeks. Kevin, the NBA season is here cannot wait. Then we got a couple games going on tonight. And then obviously it's going to take up our lives for the next whatever eight months outside, Chris, I'm really. Sighted tomorrow on the ringer. 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We are officially People's Choice losers (ft. Jeremy Parsons)

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We are officially People's Choice losers (ft. Jeremy Parsons)

"What's up everyone? It's chicken the office with reenfry where recording this right after the people's choice words and by right after loss after yes, we lost after in and out. But before we get Intel that we gotta talk about NADA, m you know, we do this at the beginning of each podcast. And I have to say we're in LA right now. Look, we could use it. We could really use not really use. Kashmir. Because I thought that Los Angeles. I was going to like eighty five sunny hot every day. I've been quite chilly it and whole that night view. If you're thinking to yourself. Wow, rea- has really been wearing that. Once watcher quite often. It's because it's the only watcher that I brought LA with me because I thought that it was going to be warm now that's probably a stupid thought of mine, but I've never been to California. And when I looked up the weather it said seventy five and sunny, so I brought seven. Five and sunny close. No, it's chilly know, what you really need to do as pack way. More of your sweater. Exactly nuts. Exact thought I had when I got here actually turned a friend. And I said seriously, we have brought all are not we really should have an honestly, you guys know that they're the best sweaters out there there. High-quality? Kashmir can't get it anywhere else. All different styles looks colors. They got there. Essential sweater, seventy five bucks. That's it seventy five right? And you know, what just popped in my head? What I actually brought one of my not sweaters with me. I I wore mind on the plane actually brought my read it's a kind of a cropped not him zip up. It's very cute. I'm excited to wear it. There we go. We'll we will rock are not a more ever we go and you guys should to. So if you want ten percent off your order of one hundred dollars. Go to NADA, m dot co that's an A D A M dot co and use promo code checks for ten dollars off your order of one hundred dollars. So get on over there and buy your sweaters right now. All right, friend. Let's get into it. So we are in LA. Yeah. And obviously everybody wants us to get to the people showing ords talk. Right. So I was thinking would you rather start from the beginning of the trip or would you just want to get into the people's choice words right now? We could talk about the beginning of the second. Let's ease. Everybody to the beginning of the trip. And how we knew that we were going to lose their. Oh, I wasn't that. I didn't know where where are you going with with that just all of the bad signs leading up? I didn't know there were so many bad signs. Well, first off our flights. Oh, we are. We we lost our fleet. We lost our flights the night before. So if you don't think that that's a bad sign or a bad owner of you also thought that that was not possible, it usually it is because we were booked on a JetBlue flight. And when I went to go find our confirmation Email Thursday night, Email was gone EML just appeared no text the group jet. And she says, hey, guys. I can't find the Email. What time is our flight. So no, an IRA like, okay. We'll just go check our emails let you know in the flight as we both check our entire inbox top to bottom. This Email has completely disappeared disappeared from all of our emails yet, which I am now convinced that it was the people's choice, deleting it from all or emails. No. I'm kidding that Diaz fierce. Yeah. No. I'm kidding. But. So gone completely gone. Were we weren't even mad? We were just confu were just confused because we knew we were getting here. Anyway, was just like how did the flight spare? But we got booked on a different flight. We were good to go. We went to to JFK took us a billion hours. We got there. The security was out of control out at delta. Let's just throw that out cured. He was I don't even remember the secure. You don't remember the security of the fact that? To the Cy. To go that at the shake, very incompetent. You see I am say I almost feel like that you halt TSA TSA says blocking out the whole beginning of TSA. Sorry. Yeah. No, she she was she was moving snail's pace. Let me issue and people were Scoffing at her. She just didn't care. She was just taking her sweet all time. But we were cutting it a little close with our flight, and we were starving. So we wanted to make sure we got food before. But we did make our flight. Everything was fine. You gotta shake shoddy. Vice me, I want I went and brought shake shack onto the flight. That is correct. We were those people that so it onto the flight. And I know everybody hates when the person next to them is eating like a full blown meal, especially fast food. We had to do it. We had no choice. There really was no choice because we didn't have enough time to eat the shakes for the night. And you're going on a six hour flight. What do you expect? I obviously want to eat and then I bone to pick with Delta's inflight. It meals yet was tell them we're gonna what is our flight. And they're offering as a option for dinner, a cheese and fruit plate like that's not a dinner, who's not dinner who eats cheese and fruit for dinner. That's that's just a snack. Literally. Like, what do they call it in order? Yes. And d'oeuvres it is an order and. Literally, it was three little pieces of cheese, some grapes some apple slices and like bad Crocker's. That was it. I'll tell you though, I the whole thing that's what I got to because the other option stunk also, but I'm just. Yeah. Food like a dinner they should have better options than of me. Not there wasn't even meet it wasn't even a meat and cheese board. No fruit. Jeez. That's it. I have to say though, I would never touch an airplane rap ever. I'll never touch on airfare rap on never touch an airplane rap. Never. I didn't trust. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I would almost have I would almost rather have like questionable meet on a flight then like questionable vegetables like the option like the option was no like I would rather have like a chicken. Can wrap that like maybe looked a little weird then like just a gross vegetable I'm like about to puke all over the place right now that you're saying that you would rather eat bad meat over a bad vegetable. How could vegetables be bad? I like vegetables could be old older. Like, I don't know. But like old soggy me's arap me could be contaminated. Well, I'm not going far as like. No, I'm I'm not saying that me saying bad. I'm saying it looks questionable you'd rather a questionable looking meet and questionable looking restful wedges genuinely Agean if you unwrap the vegetable rap and all the vegetables have like mold or like little green, dots or something. But friend like chicken looking a little questionable is not the same as vegetable having mold on it. I'm just saying like chicken, all right? Right. And I I d- rather eat almost got Rockley. I almost got the chicken fajita. No. It was like a what was it like chicken noodle salad. I don't know anyone didn't and about how to long. I would just like to say that. I also like peace and quiet on my flight. I don't really like in-flight WI fi. So I know you go there. I did not do the in flight wifi. And when we landed I I don't turn my phone on to two hundred like where this is going from just Rian Noah. Two hundred in our group chat. Okay. Let me explain zero zero point where my phone glitch. I like it was vibrating in the messages were up so fast. Kevin harvick. Let me explain. So what happened was listen. I get you know me. Yeah. I. A sighing. Yeah. You know goes. Yeah. I just like have trouble. My patience is very thin and just like being bored, or do you get very bored easily? Yeah. My attention span is not wide and on a fly. I'm just sitting there for six hours. And of course, I'm watching the TV and I'm just like, okay. How much TV can I watch it six hours now on the I'm on my phone? I'm looking through past pictures, and I see Noah has his wife I onto and he we were just chatting away. We were just talking about the plane ride. We were talking about the movies. We were also talking about you most of the time. I know I scroll back what also happened was men. So I could talk to anybody and many people from work. We're texting the both of us, and I was like your translator. And I was like, oh Fran doesn't have wifi. Right now because I genuinely thought that you didn't have WI fi. But you act does not to do. And you know, what's funny? One of the people who texted us was final Burg. And he said I was like oh Fran doesn't have wifi right now. And he was like oh my God. No, no WI fi for cross country trip on my God. And you chose not Yang such as it's this. Nice time to disconnect. Like, no phone worrying about anything. No messages. No, social media, nothing. I could enjoy mama Mia too. And the the spy who dumped me. And what else I watch the Liz riverdell and a couple of supreme see, and you know, I can watch TV. So I have no problem playing games on my phone. I was good to go. But that see I would love to do that my mind won't let me do that. You know, like, I I would love to just put every. Down and not think about things my mind won't let me do that. But anyway, let's fast because we're we're really really dragging along here and just cut we're really driving along. I I I'm gonna mention one more thing before we get to the people's choice wars. And it's the fact that we went to we explored on Saturday. We went to Santa Monica. And we went to a place for lunch and immediately the second we walked in lane me, sir. Non Brody and their daughter came in were in line behind. Yes. So I was standing in line ordering my chicken Caesar salad, and I turn around and I'm staring Liam Easter in the eye, and I turned back on my friend turn around. And she's like, what am I turn around? They probably heard me. Probably turns around Adam Brody Lamey. Sure their daughter, we didn't bother them out because there they were there, and she was so cute. She was in Elsa costume. And crown. Adorable baby late in mecer, absolutely breathtaking like no makeup on sociable beautiful thought, she was supposed to be at the people's choice awards tonight knocking allowed did not see her DEVE there. They know they advertise all over the place. She was definitely not there. No, okay. But let's get into the people's choice awards. Let's fast to that. Because that's what people want to hear about. So. Today was the people's choice awards. Obviously, we have been begging people to vote for like two months now when we got nominated. We couldn't believe it in the first place. So even being nominated was insanely cool. Yeah. And then we made it to the next round. They started out with twelve we made to five finalists we beat Oprah. Which by the way is huge. And we never forget that we'd beat Oprah s and then today was the people's choice awards. So for a while. Now, we've been saying like we just don't think we're gonna win. But it's still cool because we hope we get to go, right? We didn't know we were going to be able to go. And then last week we finally got invited. Yes. And they sent us the red carpet credentials, the whole thing and we were excited, and we said many times if we don't win like we know that we're probably not gonna win. But we get to go to the people's choice awards. Right. We've got to walk the red carpet. And like we they had like a runway basically that people were cheering. Being by the way, we didn't know we were on TV at that moment. No or else. I think I would put it more little like a runway walk on. Like, I think I would have got my Victoria secret model walk on not. I didn't realize. That that that part did make it to TV. Yeah. It did which was very cool in the first place. I don't care how I walk. The future. We're going to have to maybe slow down a little bit. We were we were walking. I actually saw people's walks. They were walking very fast as well. Yeah. Okay. So no, you frame Rover thinking we were on TV was very cool. No, it was so cool that and we got to take, you know, people were taking pictures of us. I of course, look if anybody wants to find our red carpet photos. This is just this is just so putting this out there right now, we can't find him. There were. Is so bad people taking pictures of us. They didn't know who we were. No, they had no idea. So no, I work pictures. I don't know where the pictures are. Listen, I have to say we're getting images try and find our red cover fado can't fine. They don't exist. I have to say though, I know them. I laugh is so annoying. So I'm really apologizing. Yeah. There's a disclaimer. Like, I'm apologizing to keep Lafayette Hackel into the Mike actually. But it is a letter we Domino's, but it is really hilarious that we went onto the red carpet. And like I mentioned that everybody's cameras. We're going to go down people's cameras went down. And they were like what is your name? I have to say there were a couple definitely took like one or two clicks, just for you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they were like, what are your names that I was like Maria Shifa like. My name to one guy. Work either because we still don't have pictures. There are no pictures. There are no luxuries of us anywhere prove their on the red carpet. Besides the ones that like the videos that Noah took thing guys. And then we we did a bunch of interviews that was cool. And then I asked to the glamour because I wanted to do the glam bought, and they let us do the Glenn put, of course, it's not on the website. So e- like just give me my glam video. That's all I think maybe they didn't even like record had you. That's so fucked up no magin, if they didn't they didn't this is the thing. I just want to say that they can they can. All right. Give me my goddamn glam bought video. Yeah. No. I just want to say that they really gave us no respect. Not a bad way. But just like, you know, like we really put in a lot of effort to like make people vote, and we were really excited about it. And we talked a lot about it too glib. And it's just like all we want wanted the video all I want. And that's what I mean by no respect, like we we were sick packed like, we don't get the glam video of all things shirt. Want glands on video? But the thing is like everybody tweets e that you want us to get her Cleese. Just wait like a social media push. We've already we've we've already harassed their social media in town people enough via Email just to get invited. And now, this is my this is our last thing like last thing will be like, I'm so sorry that you've had to deal with us for the last two months, all I want honestly, like just tweet at people's choice and be like give chicks in the office. Their glam bought video just do it. I don't care just tweeted them to send the glam Bob video because it's fucked up that we can't God damn celebrity dachshund the king. Talking animal star star. He's a wondering we're losers. So I guess that's the difference. He did win his award. But he got his glam. Bop. Video posted on the Instagram. Yep. So that's where we're at right now we lost. But, but let's get into the the actual show because we're gonna get to keep getting fired about glamour video, but you know, what you have to do tweet people's choice give chicks in the office. They're fucking glam video because we at least deserves one that amount of respect for the amount of pushing. We did for the people's choice awards. You know what I mean? Like, my heart was I poured, my heart and soul. Lamey right now. I'm literally just on online dot com in their glam bought section just refreshing hoping that maybe they'll add it like, I truthfully. All I did for like two months straight was vote my ass off. And they can't give me the glam video, but let's just get into it. So we go to the people's choice awards. We sit down with the other nominees the lady gang becka tell you Tanya rod. They're all lovely women. It was actually very cool that young got to sit at the table with all the rest of them because we had never met them before. So and nothing on them. Constantly like, we were constantly stocking them, and then we finally got to meet them in person. Not look not stocking. What I'm saying? I don't wanna get all cheesy and send mental here. But I will for just one second. But please don't get too into it. I mean, I'm not going to get too into. But it was just very cool to like be seated next. Becker Tobin who I watched on glee I loved glee, and we were just chatting nominee for the same award. Like, that's super cool. Oh, that's not too sentimental. I love that. I agree with that like and Becca Tilelli. I took a picture with her at Coachella couple years ago. Yeah. It's insane girl tart over her. And at that point. Now, we're all just you know, breaking bread together. And they were very cool. They're very nice cool everybody show. So when we sat down the lady gang. They really did you guys win. We were like no did you and they were like, no we were told we lost. So in our heads real. Okay. Well, we weren't told we lost. And we weren't told that. We one. Yeah. And then they said that scrubbing in with Becca Chilean Tanya, rod also weren't told anything. Yeah. So then we knew it was like between the two of us at at that ever. However, I think that they knew that they won the entire night Becca and Tanya looked like they were in their head practicing. What it would say when they want or talk about bolo, blah, basically acting like they won. And they definitely did. No they won. Because at the end. They were like, yeah, we got anymore that we won. So so they knew the whole time that they won. We just didn't know that. Unfortunately, honestly, I kind of feel bad for them because they didn't get anything. No. They didn't they get an award even them. It's like aegis disks the podcast category. As a whole, obviously, some some categories. We're not on TV that's fine, whatever, but they didn't like they didn't even really do anything for the podcast. They ain't even. They didn't do a recarpet. They didn't do anything. They just announced it after the show just online, and they didn't even actually hand them like Zoellick. They didn't even really get like a moment there. Name put on a web, which is cool. Be freaking out everyone. I'm sure they're playing it down because we lost. We sure there. Sure there they want. But yeah, I feel when I'm just feel like when you're sitting in the show for two hours for we're going to accept your award. And then you don't. It would have been different because we didn't we didn't know anything. Yeah. They definitely they acted like that it ain't home yet. But I saw it on their faces. They definitely new but fine. We had a great time table all those women so cool love lady gang. Yes. They're all those ladies are so funny. We were having some great commentary over the Kardashians at the table as a whole Tanya. They were all great. Are. They were and they're all beautiful. Yes. So it was at that table. The Kardashians were to tables from us Kris Jenner. Kris jenner. I mean, look like Michael Jackson like I just don't get the sunglasses inside thing higher, especially at an award show where it's dark as fuck inside the inside the award show the entire night. I guess it's just her look, and she's the only one that can do it. But like take your sunglasses off takers us as off. No. I mean, even when she got up on stage from the moment she walked into the moment. She sat down she was wearing sunglasses, but I have to say the Kardashian showed up two minutes before their award was announced and they left right now. Oh, yeah. See that. Yeah. Yeah. They've got bigger issues going on right now they seat fillers all around that table. Yeah. We honestly could've moved up if probably wanted to. But we saw Nicki Menaj which. It was Kim's. Ask for second. Yes. I saw Kim Kardashian in the flash fit that she was wearing was obviously skin-tight but seeing her but in real life, huge was unreal. Really? Is as big as you think it is. And I took a check. Nice video check it out. But it's it's it's she's so small and so skinny like her waist is so small and her S is so huge. Yeah. That's exactly what you looked. I just I just it's baffling in real life. We saw KENDALL Jenner two times in the same week. We're basically best friend, basically, they actually aunt texts. Bay said KENDALL miserable on TV and Geno. She looked miserable real life as well. Cloak art action, by the way, look gorgeous. Yeah, she looked good. And then they were out of there. And then they were out they were in there were out. That was really it. Nothing crazy happened. We got on. Was a lot of people are tweeting us I've really loved that radio or song. So I gotta say when the cameraman started coming close. I was singing I was trying attention. I just want to say that I went to the bathroom in that moment. And I'm actually really mad. But honestly, they would've showed me anyway, because they I was to your left. Yeah. And Becca Tobin was to you're right. And they showed her right? You know? So I don't think I would have been shown anyway, maybe if I was answering, but I went to the bathroom at that point. Because I really had to be because they kept serving drinks that they said were hallock put let me tell you. Alcohol and those at all like there was no alcohol in the shrinks. Yeah. I really don't think there was either either way it's just so cool to be like rubbing shoulders with celebrities as like being part of the group part of the group. I'm just waiting to go the bathroom. Scarlett Johansson comes walking by. And you're low honestly like feels like you're gonna dream it, really. Does Blake Blake Shelton's because Gwen Stafani very my face. Yeah. Like, oh my God. I was like kiss her on the Lynn now, we're a word word chair in for the voice. I that was genuine cheer. I love those. I actually was cheering for you. Because you'll have the voice. I know. I turned you go you love, the voice exactly that your wasn't for Blake Shelton friend. That was for you know. But either way it was so freaking cool to be there. It wasn't dream. Come true. Obviously everybody dreams about being on the red carpet. And it actually happened for us somehow, someway, and it was insane. We swear were there, even though we can't find any pictures. But either way thank you to everybody. Yes. Yes. Here's the everybody who voted for us. You so much making it to the top five was amazing because that really secured us before the right of we were in any way have been able to get there unless voted so thank you for exactly. And we were seated next to the entire. Vanda pump cast. They seem like that. Great time. Yeah. They they they had a lot of rings on their tape. And I saw I saw after Jack's tweeting like you know, that is going to give the their award to the Kardashians. Like, rare show will they let you know. They say what all that had like shots ready to go and they announced their award. The something was up. They knew they were gonna lose. But either way it was an awesome time. And it's just so crazy seeing videos and pictures of yourself on the red carpet when you're like, oh, I don't like. Whoa. Like actual celebrities on that like meal kunas we walked on the same floor posed in front of the same walkway. I know walked right past after she accepted her award insane. But I just I just really want our pictures. Yeah. No. Honestly, we want the pictures. So do you have to do? I don't care tweeted people's choice. They're probably not gonna use that Twitter account anymore. I want my God. They're gonna see they're going to be like, oh my God chicks in the office. Alone. You lost stop? Well, and we won't get nominated next year because we talked so much about how we lost. Well, you never know you never know fingers crossed. There's always next year. But really thinks to everybody who voted for us and congrats to scrubbing in. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't think we I don't think honestly, also guys, right? We're filming this in our beds in our hotel. We are we're on the ground floor and our window opens up right to the parking lot. We have two massive cameras. A looks like we're foaming a low budget porno here and like low budget. Yeah. Like like, three low budget like, and I school film class like we're filming a sex Ed video for the class, and the and the porno starts with an in-and-out deliver in out all over the we stopped it in and out. Not the burger was good. The burger was good. I enjoyed the burger herbs. Greg. Some reason. The fries are really pissing me off like I can't like in and out went down in my in my mind a couple of notches because their fries tastes stale. I don't know if we got a bad batch, or what would they just taste like they've been left out all day long, probably have. But they're not good. Burger was great for is fries. Bet. Make meal for me to be honest. Not for me because I love burgers. And I think that the grade good fries with my birth Brian. Good fries, the fries or tough. Yeah. They're tough. Yeah. Burger was good. That's really all. You could say about is the fries are not good tonight. And maybe it's just the batch. We got maybe we gotta get it. Again. I try Noah's animal style fries, and those tasted greats but fries still like stale. Hard to describe I taste. But it's it's still minute. I'm still eating the fries. Even though I'm talking about their bad. I'm still eating them. I'm actually going to know Noah just pass me on those. There's bad. It was writing there. There's nothing on it. Like, it's the same thing fries because you guys ate all of it. Yeah. There's eating you're gonna get a good bite meeting at right now. The tastes are good. But obviously, it's warm now. Okay. Well, we got this two hours ago. So. Yeah. Exactly. But what do you think? I mean, it's not there. Look, it's their fries. And I'm sure if I had two hours earlier Matisse fantastic, but it's very cold right now. But it's still it's still good. I'm still hungry. So tastes good. Hello. I think that kind of wraps up that wraps up the podcast. I said Hello mid wrap up because France started recording me, I'm just showing everybody that we're out here. Okay. Well, I think that wraps up our trip so far. Yeah. We're doing radio now new time through its three to four east coast. So we'll be doing it twelve to one here doing it this week, and we have I think some good gusts coming up. Fingers crossed some some planned in California. But you never know with cancellations and whatnot. Anything could happen. I don't know. I'm saying. I'm saying, but I'm just reading to explore LA because my first time here. So just being here is cool. Yes. And I'm excited to see it. Yeah. All right. We got let's get into into some topics oca- and the rest of the show. I think all right. Let's get into it. All right. We have we have a lot. This is going to be a long show. But we obviously were recapping lot. We wanted to the Victoria's Secret fashion show we week up that we're talking about Scott in Sofia and Courtney going out to dinner together. We're talking about John stamos. We're talking about Nick Jonas prianti. We're brianca. I want to say that his bachelor party is now this weekend. It seems like it's entirely Instagram. Sponsored which makes me believe this wedding is sham. That's all. I have to say. Yeah. I don't love that. The spun for your for the wedding stuff. Not. Nope. Nope. Cheesy yacky don't love it. Don't love. We also have an interview with Jeremy Parsons from people. Yes about sexiest man alive. This. Wow. We this is jam packed episode. It is, but you know, buckle up. We underestimated how much has to fit into this episode. But that's okay. All right. You guys have all week to listen to this one. That's it. So yeah, let's let's get right into it starting with the Victoria secret fashion show. We'd be the same time zone. Continue time. See paying? Do you? And I know that is crazy. I just want to see. I'm Jim maya's foam. Depend. I was thinking gift that seek your hotel. I can't get you can't get to. We went to the Victoria secret fashion show. Yes, we're the first time, obviously, it's a dream of hours to go to that show. And yeah, it was incredible being there just even just walking in. You're like, wow, I'm really going, Victoria, secret fashion. There were so many things that surprised us because this year they held it appear ninety four and number one. We went backstage to do during hair and makeup to do. Some press and just being around these women as they were all getting ready. Oh my God. They're all so stunning. So beautiful. We were we were two inches in front of. I mean, I was KENDALL Jenner. I mean, we were standing Adriana Lima. And we got to see Adriana Lima close out her less Victoria's Secret fashion show ever. And I I get chills thinking about that. Because I can't believe that we were sitting in the second row we could've onto the stage. If we wanted to I don't know if every year, they do it in a place that was this small, but it was such an intimate setting and on TV, they make it look like so Jain Ormuz. Well, when I was watching the videos, it looks it looks bigger in those video, right? But when you're there, you don't realize how intimate setting in the second row towards the end of the catalog to which I'm actually really liked and we were just staring models in the is like when they looked over. They were looking at. Over at us, not specifically. But I mean, right. It was also very funny because publicly it was announced that it was a journal EMAS last show. Like last night like before they do shows the four four-car eight o'clock, we're at the four o'clock before eight o'clock it came out publicly. It was Postel over Twitter because in the moment, we're watching and they do a tribute for her, and I don't want to give too much way. But I looked at you. When was like so is this her last year? We didn't know what they did. It was like, okay, obviously, this is our last year, but and shape. And. Now, I'm gonna start thinking about it. All thing was so cool. And it was funny because obviously we have been talking so much speak about what celebrities we would see their and baba until we put together that we were going to the floor PM show and probably slept. We're going to APM which ends up checking out, but spins on what I said too. I think if we went to eight o'clock show, I would have been so consumed by all the celebrities in the seats that I wouldn't have really watched the show. Yes. I would have been washing Dylan sprouse watch the models. Exactly know. And also we wouldn't have gotten as good of seats that we did. And we had phenomenal seats. It was so frigging cool. We saw every single model. Like right in front of all look studying. They were glowing all the. Glass phenomenal. Great phenomenal. So great hall Z was so ill. I I love love love for awhile is beebee Wreksa. She's I went to a Nick Jonas show at terminal five years ago, and she opened for Nick. And obviously everybody was there for Nick. But there was a big. It was all women and gay men obviously likes to hear for an insurance concert. And it. It. When be became on stage. She was rocking. It so hard that every guy was like he s Beebe. Let's go I just my sister. And we were like BB we love you. I mean, I I was almost at that point with you last night L she crushed it, especially when Shawn Mendes came on when Shawn Mendes walked onto the road. And it was just shrill every girl scream. I mean, you just heard the shrieks throughout the crowd when Shawn Mendez came on including the infrared like me and frontier into such fan girls shown on the screen. I was like, oh, my Sean men look me in the ice number one. I said once that we made eye contact when he was on the corner of the stage before he came on. And then when he got to his Mark and the lights were still dark. It was looking around. He looked directly at us. I'm not saying I read like was it was it was directly at us. And after he was done performing. I turned. You was like we're so close. We could've rushed the stage. Nobody. Reconnaissance security was not close enough not easily could have like Fred if we wanted to get arrested tonight and didn't give a fuck we could have done that and just stolen the show has those. He has like those cute little pieces of hair that fall in front of his face. And then he pushes it back. I'm not saying that we definitely hot. I'm not saying that we definitely had a moment. Shawn mendez. But I was saying I think we had a boat. Shawn Mendez, like I'm not saying we didn't have a moment. Like, I'm saying Shawn Mendez look directly in our direction, and I felt boulevard is including that's that's the power of of of Shawn Mendez. And he he so great his falsetto. Like, I said, heavenly speaking of that drew from the chain smokers, hit a high note right in front of us. I have to that. I've never heard him before. I think it's not just an us thing that everybody jokes about the chain smokers because obviously. I've always loved to chain smokers. But they started out as just kind of doing DJ remix is stuff. Like that. Like drew wasn't actually singing wasn't to the last couple of years at Drew's actually started to sing. And everyone was like he's not that good, blah, blah, blah, whatever. But they sang Kelsey Ballerini. There's this feeling and they were they were really singing like it was they were labor using their own voices. And he hit a high note and held it for a long time very life right in front of us. And I was so impressed. I was feeling it with him. Like, he was he was moving to the ground. And I was like moving to the ground him. That's how good it was. I was I was very impressed. But the whole show the whole show was fantastic. Really, really cool. Also, shed alexy's were so good Josie crush was just about the shadow to girl Josie. She run those energy by far. I mean, the most energy she absolutely killed it funny because we saw Mike stud who's dating Josie that or the show, and he was there with Jozies mom, and I he told us where he was sitting. And then watching her and watching him while she was on the runway was so adorable. And she it was her first time if she's not brought back next year become an angel. I don't even know what to think because she absolutely stole the show what she also become an angel just from her after party look to. Oh, my gosh was absolutely fricken ver Di last night was her. And I said at the other day, I was like I think after the choice secret fashion show, she's really gonna skyrocket because I think she she has she has it and people just aren't she's very underrated. I think and then last night, I think that she rushed it, and it's gonna. To be huge for her coming on the show Monday. Very exciting. Even even like KENDALL KENDALL g Bella they were all really great. G g at least in our show almost how to miss out because I look she has she had a very long draping. Cape. I don't even know what you want to share. You know, one of the Victoria, your things and the model it was walking back down the runway. I think accidentally stepped on it as as Judy was walking up and she like flipper second you could see her face go. But she she like row in quit GD almost took a tumble, but she didn't she not it would have been right in front of our face. Bellas body is ridiculous. Their bodies are all the Kendal. I felt KENDALL. See more confident. Yes time like, I don't know. She just felt that look like she was owning it. I agree. It was just a fantastic show all around. I mean, we keep saying, but it it truly wasn't being there was it was so cool. Obviously there was eight o'clock show. So we're getting clips in news from that. Because that is the show that don't spouse was at and there was a video it's on the who what where Instagram and Ceram, do you think I'm allowed to tweet that out or no, I mean, don't rip the video. What do you mean you have to tweet it with the link? Yeah. I wouldn't just steal the girls. Video. But it was. Adorable Barbas walking down the runway and Dylan is standing and his white suit hand over his heart like John on the floor to staring at her and all I mean, I'm gonna start crying again because we also cried twice in the four pm show. I cried more than that. But I just wasn't looking. I forgot to mention that cried multiple times during the show. And also another side note, there was an older couple that was standing next to us sitting next to us that filled the fucking entire show. I'm even kidding like phones in the air. So obvious filming the I don't think they watched the show they filmed the entire thing. The rule follower in me where I get pissed. I mean break the rule I just have to say that I almost call the security guard over and be like look at this. Yes. Okay. Anyways, yen. This was happening. This is happening when this was happening. Friend. I'm watching the show and I keep seeing Fran look around and in my head. I'm like why she looking around, and then I look over and I see these two older people filming the entire show. And I'm like, oh, that's why France around because she's getting pissed off people are reading base. It was like scrunching up. She was just getting so salty that they weren't following rules. It was hilarious to watch. But I understand that you are. Very passionate about this at first they were really the only ones doing it. Yes. And then as the show went on everybody was filming. And then actually I was like, okay, fuck it. And I really felt that when like Halsey was out, whatever. 'cause I was like I wanna prove that I'll close with these videos. So we had to do it. I didn't even do it to like post them anywhere. Whatever. It's for the memories. That's us. We didn't post them anywhere. We have them on her phone. Yeah. Just because literally remember being so close this couple even had this guy come over and be like, you can't be on your phones. They didn't give a fuck. No, pull them out again as soon as he walked away. They pulled the right background baby. Mad anyway, Dylan back to back to Dylan sprouse. When I saw this video this morning. I know franchesca I was sobbing sobbing. Uncontrollably. When I saw this video, and I know that sounds fucked up, but I've talked about it before I've loved Dylan sprouse since the first episode sweet life Zack. And Cody when I was younger, I had, you know, everybody has posters of the boys that they like on their wall when they're younger I had posters of Dylan's browse on my wall. And and Dylan sprouse wasn't like, you know. A hot commodity back. Then he was on sweet levers, I Cody, and I had posters on my wall. And I remember I had a huge poster of like my dreams, and who I wanna marry and all that stuff under who I wanna marry I had a picture of Dylan sprouse so seeing him with Barbara Alvin who I also have been obsessed with since I since two thousand twelve everybody. I mean, we've pulled up the tweets before of me tweeting to her back like two thousand twelve two thousand thirteen seeing them Dedi other fills my heart with so much happiness enjoy because I love the two of them so much. I think that they're just perfect together and Dylan he's watching her an all he bars shake shack. She has the most fantastic body. She's. She's got everything I want to say that like she has such an amazing body. And it's. I feel like it's almost unfair to her because when people are going to watch the show those Victoria's Secret models are I'm not saying they're on healthy. But like, they're they're so thin. Yeah. Like like, they like Bella Hadid said when people were coming at her for being too skinny she's like everybody reacts differently to diet and exercise fine. Book Barbara has a body that is her body healthy beautiful body, a real bad. Yes. And like she should be applauded for that. Because she's really the only one that looks like she should be a role model for everybody because she looks fantastic. She looks how I said I said I blog about the two of them. And I was just like look she is like real life body goals. Yes. Real life. Yeah. I was looking at her. I was like she looks fantastic. A lot of them. You know, they don't really have butts. They're super skinny and down there. About just how they are. They're tall. They're thin supermodels. Exactly, Barbara Calvin Barbara's, really the only one that has a different type of figure. Yeah. And the entire entire show, and to be honest, I think she had the best body. Yeah. She just looked antastic. Stunning. She she really is. And she seemed so sweet. And her are just the most perfect couple shake shack on carpet. He later. She had said before that like when she was asked what she was going to do after the show, and she was like, I'm gonna eat. Choose burgers, so Dylan broader, shake shack, and they were being they were talking to the Daily Mail. And she was like they will go is everybody. I heard the girls really jealous backstage of the shake shack and Barbara's like, yeah, they don't how they don't. None of that have boyfriends like I do. Oh, yeah. See I knew Dylan sprouse was a gem yet since the first episode of Sweden design. Cody I've been saying this whole time. Oh my gosh. That makes me right smile from Iran. Ear. I love the two of them. They were my favorite part of the night. Just seeing house watch Barbara walked down. And he and he's just like he's looking at her like, that's my girlfriend. Yeah. Oh my God. That's and that's the same way. Mike side was watching Joe total key put his hand up. He was cheering for it was so nice to see it was is because they we know that like the weekend. Was there sporting Bella Adam LeVine was there supporting his wife Bahati? I'm much. I'm not sure I would assume was Khalifa was actually at the show. Yeah. He was right. Because I saw I saw his after party pictures. So it's just very nice all supporting their ladies. Exactly. And Ben Simmons though, no Benjamin's which I feel maybe this has to do with his basketball schedule because he is playing tonight. But I don't know maybe we'll see later he like sneaky showed up at the after party or something. Maybe I didn't even see KENDALL at the after party. Oh, that's so because they had I posted a blog with their looks and KENDALL wasn't even in a lot of them were in the when you search after party like the were in it. But KENDALL I was looking for and I did not see her. We really also have say, unfortunately missed an opportunity to have a run in with Kris Jenner when I saw Kris Jenner backstage. I know the pictures. I don't even know what I would say to that woman. But I know that I would be I would be starbuck. And I and I said this last night that I think out of all the Kardashian jenner's Kris Jenner would be the one that I would be the most starstruck by because she asked me blocked on Twitter. Yeah. And I I don't even I would I be able to say that to her face. No, I say that I would be able to. But I just don't think I would be able to because if I say you blocked me on Twitter chace. Why? Sorry. I used to troll yet. Like the kid. Sorry. I was mean to you when I was fifteen so I I don't know. But I when I saw that I was like, oh damn we missed a huge opportunity there. But the whole show all together ten out of ten everything we could have dreamed of and more it'll NL Aaron December. So everybody will have to watch an ABC. I think it's like December fourth December, seventh or supper force. I don't know. It's air date is on December second second. All right. We go wrong. So Sunday Semper second. Everybody could watch it is fantastic. It's a great show. They want be. The Spice Girls reunion to our was confirmed. Now, this is funny coming after Mellano shot at Victoria Beckham is Mel Melby going to be a part of the tour de ver buddy. But is that for Melby right now, they're at six six stops six. It's like. It's really just a. Home home tour, you know, they're just going through. Okay. It's in June. And it's like two weeks and they're playing six shows. Oh, that's fun. Yeah. It's just like a so wise Bill you're doing it. Just as one I guess Ooh. Yeah. It's what happens when you become the most famous one in the group, and you go back all the other girls ecstatic day are all MSN. It's time to spice things up all over again. I can't wait to perform to are forever. Supporting fans and a whole new spice generation love, you all Melby said I've said it so many times beside myself as actually happening. I'm now properly screaming it from every rooftop me. And my girls will see all on stage mail. Sees said reminiscing with the girls that are how much fun. We had made me feel like it was the right time to do it all over again. And Jerry said I am so excited together. We celebrate girl power with our fans and the next generation and everyone is welcome whole tight. It's gonna be fun. So just know Batori Nova toria that sounds like it will be fun. This is this happens with every group. There's one there's one that breaks away. Doesn't wanna go back. Yes. Although shadow to be on say who still gives love to Destiny's Child because Victoria Beckham gives no love to Spice Girl victim. Oris statement is basically that because of her business commitments, you can't do it. The the two week to week tour is just way too long. Yeah. Okay. She said being in the Spice Girls was a hugely important part of my life. And I wish my girls so much love and fun as they go back and tour, I know they will put on an amazing show in the fantastic fans past and present going to have a wonderful time. But she will not be participating. The show. Nobody wants to feel like they're overpaying while shopping online, especially during the holidays gifts travel, ugly, sweaters, it all adds up. But did you know, there's an easy way to always get the lowest price it's called. 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He said when you look back on those vocal performances. They're awesome. And while you certainly could make a case for a complete reinvention. I find myself responding to my own feelings of wanting to go back to those characterizations. And then he said at the hardest part about doing. This is finding something that really does feel like it's not simply another film in a series of sequels. I'm not really sure how you make a shred reboot with possibly all the same people. And have it not be a sequel? Look how does that? How do you just not have fit in with all the previous movies that have all the same voices and all the same characters? I just don't understand the point. Like, I said when every time a movie is remade, you just think to yourself, but why like Shrek why it's already a great, Phil. Right. And it's the I do it's like one of the is exactly the same thing when we said with clueless as oh, well, it's the writer of girls trip. Maybe it'll be okay. I'm like, well, maybe elimination. They do great things as speckled me all up, and you know, they're like, plus they're doing. They're the ones that are doing this new Grinch movie. That's like, oh, yeah. It's like a spin on on the Grinch, which I'm here for. See that. But it's like there hasn't been a Grinch cartoon movie in a long time. Yes. There was the Jim Carey. Yes. But I don't think that really counts in my mind. So. It's been such a long time Shrek not really that long. Pretty recent. There's bringing it right back. Yeah. I I mean. It just one of those things where they're trying to funny. The first Shrek movie is so good. Oh, good. Every night France night. I ate putting on trick. Like, I scroll pass Shrek on Netflix. And I'm like should. I just watch wreck tonight. It's one of those movies that you still just don't do on purpose. Like you subconsciously, quote, the movie in your head. You know, if something comes up and lines from Shrek just. Pop pop into your head like you don't even have to think she's there. What's a song? Mobile. Yeah. Believer believer. Yeah. Dem not wanted to show is run to track all of they all do a house. I mean all stars of the number one track. All started talking about all the time. I don't the words. I picture donkey. It's one of those ones that I don't really think needed to be touched yet. But. We'll see because they're going to have to put a total different spin on it to have it not be a sequel, but still be all the same characters. Right leg. I just logistically. I don't get it logistically, it doesn't really make sense. It has to be a sequel. What are they just going to like they can't just make an entire movie with the same characters and forget everything that happened in the past. What I supposed to just raise start minds fairytale happened instruc-. Yeah. They're gonna have to do like a like an X men like a race. Everybody's mind situation to where it's like, okay, where they're like the globe Shrek time, traveling maybe treacle time travel, and then we'll just get a whole new series of tricks. But then we have to forget all the old ones because then they didn't happen because time travel. I'm just so confused every time not worth it. I gotta say it's probably not worth it. Because did they do this for the kids is that what this is this for the children is this for the children? No seriously, this for the no it's for the dollar bills. Okay. Well, that's what I was assuming. But I was thinking maybe I hard parts they were like, oh, we should we should make Shrek for the younger generation that didn't get to see SRI. But they always watch it Schrafft's. And I'm saying they could watch trek. So I don't know a make everything like have your kids watch the original. Because that's like that's what the new ones probably not going to be as good because we know everything that happened as very weird. That is weird. I don't like it at all. From web buck. But I never run away. Even when. OT's? One ps. That's what I need. Time. We were saying nice week. We're waiting for Lexus run to open up about her feelings about Alan, which she did. She said she was developing feelings. And now this they played this out perfectly like between last week. And last night. They just they timed it. Right. Like they pulled everybody in by saying that Allen wasn't sure about his feelings. And of course, to have everybody watched for the next week for Allen to be like, yes, I do know a do we have the clip of them talking before they dance because yes, this is some things were said, the muse note the music on a place where we worked so hard for this amazing journey together. And on the frayed that I would mess that up in some way. I've never had an experience like this. It's so easy to just hang out with you have fun and not worry about everything else. I know you put yourself last weekend. I do have feelings for you. After I opened up last week. I felt a little bit embarrassed. By now that we had this this week. I really good that everything's out. And then the kiss who was the kiss like it was sweet it was like a for. It was it was it was supposed to look like a first kiss. I it wasn't like a make out. It was like a romantic. Yeah. Like moving on from friends to lovers kiss. Oh, that's sweet. That is a lovely. So now, they're taking correct? I mean, I don't know. Now, I don't know maybe next week will be the package where they confirmed that. They're like exclusive. I don't know what the next step is. 'cause each week. It's like a new tidbit is released. But right now, all we know is that they both have feelings for each other, and they kissed on television. So so sounds pretty real to me. Pretty legit seems like they are moving on with each other. And Matt in the love story if they win that's what I said. I was like this would fulfil all my like dancing with the stars. Romance fantasy wildest dreams. They win the Mira ball. They they get married and have beautiful little dancer babies that would be beautiful and also to story. I also saw on her. Twenty two grams story that she was doing QNA ask Russians and somebody wrote how has dancing stars change your life. And she wrote it's change everything. So I saw that too. I believe that this truly changed every right? And she also. She also tweeted a couple of days ago that I'm miss this. But she tweeted if you guys really think I would fake my feelings for TV show. Then you don't really know me at all. So. She's making a point here that well, I saw that. And I was like fuck go damn. That's us. Yeah. But it's like now now, I'm in it where I've I legitimately that they do have feelings for each other, but dads it with the stars is producing it. Like, it's the bachelor like they everybody else had normal packages. Like, they're just preparing for further dance. You know, like every other couple does some get a little emotional more than others. But there's like a romantic horseback riding date where they profess their feelings each other standing standing on a sitting on a wooden fence. Overlooking this beautiful fields with with like mute like mood music playing the beginning of that clip. They were almost playing the Friday night lights music, like the, you know, like this calm tones. I that's what it sounded. Like, it's the. Show is live. So it's even crazier to me that we're seeing this actually developed live. It's not that's pretty well that stuff is prerecorded like wet. I gladly like a couple of days ago. That's what I'm saying. Happening in real time. It's happening in real time. Whereas bachelor bachelorette, you got that's shit that happened months ago. So now, we know at this very moment where Alexis Alan stamp. Yeah. Like, they're just beginning shipping with their relationship. We're watching her on Instagram. I actually see after practice if she's still with Alan. Or if she's like, do you think that they have quit like make outside fun? I did not proud her before this. And I followed her for for for this. I'm just picturing like do they have sex in the middle of like dancing, 'cause you know, they're they're working for six hours a day together. And when you're dating the person that you're dancing with for six hours a day that things got a little did the samba. It was. What happened was a little a little steamy? Their samba was a little steamy. Well, that's that's why they're going to win so good. Because now now I really think they have a good shot at winning. I was honestly his last night because spoiler if you haven't watched sorry Demarco's wear got sent home and he's so good. He so good. Meanwhile, grocery store, Joe, I love you. I love groceries like I love him as a person as dancer. He's just not good. He's just not that good. He's moved his way up. He was getting you got a four his first week last night. He got all sevens. He's he's moving better. But literally everybody else is getting tense like everybody else is getting tense. Did everybody literally got tents is not everybody. But almost everybody damn. Yeah. And he still going to the semi finals go into the frigging semi final. Let me tell you Twitter pissed. I just had a quick like caro- Serie store. Joe twitter. Search last night. Oh, they were. Everybody was just like what the fuck is Joe doing on the semi finals. They do like how? Many people do calling in for him so many. So clearly, and honestly it's just like a props. It's also why love Twitter so much 'cause it's like. People quitting voting in the midterm election. Look what happens when you don't vote. Kosher star. Joe is in the finals. Okay. Well, which makes me chuckle. Yeah. That is pretty funny. I mean, it just so, but honestly, look he must have every single person in who loves the Bashar vote in for him bachelor nation is really nation is coming out big time. And literally because there is no way to Nasha one home. Right. And look if she went home grocery store, Joe showed went home to know. And I'm sure we could get the demographics of who watches desk with the stars. And is I bet lot of older, maybe. Women. Yes. Watch dance with stars. And then there's people like me, but they're all voting for Jill. I think that there's a crossover between people who watch dancing with the stars. And the bachelor for sure I watched this season Janney stars solely because Joe, especially you know, me I watched the first two episodes because I knew Joe was on it. I saw that. He wasn't a great dancer, which you know. I didn't have to keep watching to keep figuring that out. What was so funny was no it turned it on for like two seconds last night at the end and texted us like do they shit on him? Like this every time. I'm a actually yes. Like, the judges to his face are always just like Joe you're trying but it's just it's just not there pretty much. I wonder what KENDALL thinks about it. I'm sure she's proud of him. You know, he's he's trying. It's also keeping him in LA. They don't have to have any. Relationship discussion about where they wanna live because right now he has to be in LA. Yeah. Except why they're just pushing that off until when it gets eliminated. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, do you think that Joe like has a chance to win the stars as as goad? He's going to go down in history as the worst answer to win dancing with the stars. Like, I said, this you I signed could be the Sensi affect everybody voted for send giant American idol. And he was so bad. Yeah. It was like a plot to destroy American idol. This could be this could be like Joe Windsor stars. I mean, there's going to be. Outrage the judges we're going to have to step in. I'm gonna need lend to like steal the mirror ball or something. I like Khania the mirror ball and be like. Look, I know Joe planning a lot effort, but I really going to somebody else. I actually think they would they would do that. Like, I think the judges would be genuinely confused L. Yeah. For sure I think Joe would be confused. America would be confused. Yeah. So Joe, I bet ios confused right now. Yeah, he's probably thinking to himself like how he poses Instagram stories after after each show, and he's like a made another week here. I am right. We're back. It's the same thing every week in his new episodes in the new episodes in their package before they dance is like we're back. We made it we're here, we are other dance. So I mean there have I'm happy for them because he gets to gets to. Keeping on the show. So let's get any keeps. And he gets keeping with coming xactly. That's mine. Live at his. John stamos went on busy tonight and talks about how he and his wife when they were trying to get pregnant they ride it for Tilleke clinic and he had to provide a sperm sample. So, you know, they put them in the room to do his business, and he turned on the TV. And there was a. Pregnant thing and we had to go to the fraternity fertility place, and I had to give a sperm sample. I can't believe I finally getting to tell the story. I winner there's little room where they go in there. And they said if you need it. Any stimulation or whatever there's videos and TV here. So the TV out for all, right? All right, turn the TV on. It's on it's on fuller house. Hand to. If I'm going to abate to myself going to my old self not the new. So in my head. I'm just I'm sorry. And this is pretty graphic. But I'm picturing John stamos with his dick in his hand and turning on the TV and seeing. Yeah. And Stephanie on just I have a lot of questions because logistically. You're training on TV. I would assume the fraternity clinic has basic cable how did fuller house on Netflix? It's not just like normally on TV. I thought the same thing. And he's like hand to God. I swear this happened go John stamos. I don't have any reason. Not to believe it your lovely, man. I love John stamos. I would love to believe John John stamos here. But I've never had my TV just turn on Netflix playings show. Yes. You know, what I'm thinking is maybe somebody in the in the clinic put on fuller house. Right. That'd be like a kid or something to watch or for him because they knew he was going in. I don't know joke. I don't know. Probably not. I don't understand how it works that way. It doesn't. Well, you don't just turn your TV on if it's on Netflix. It doesn't automatically Hiller house. Does not right play on cable television. So I don't know. I really don't want to. I don't want to not believe him. You know, exactly. It's a funny story. You just wanna believe it? Didn't even go around that. I'm like, right. Okay. I'm just gonna nor the fact that you turn on the TV and fuller house pop on you could do that with full house like ten years ago. Definitely not fuller house. And I would assume he just liked to channel, you know. Yeah. Masturbate to floor. But that's it's just so funny because you see headlines like Johnston most masturbate, that's what I wrote. Exactly. Yeah. Because that's what I mean. That's what he to say. What is what happened? I mean, when you say when you're saying, you're you're put in a room and tells you turn the TV if you need stimulation your dick in your hand turning on the TV like what am I watching? You know what I mean? So that's what that's what I envision here. That's okay for me to say because John is talking about it. He's openly saying, yeah, I had to jerk off. It's also kind of making me question. How Tillery clinics work because? I would think they would give the guys something that's not basic television views or or a selection of porn or something. Well, no. But the thing is they have their phones. So they get porn on their phones. That's what I don't understand. Also with the TV thing. Right. He didn't have to put on the TV. Because because I'm not I would let me think what I'm sorry to say. You're you're not walking into the fertility clinic walk into to the sperm room and sitting down and being like, all right? Let's see what's on FOX five. And like that's not gonna get you off. You're you're going to wonder phone and look up porn magazines, like porn magazines, as if they might for Tilleke maybe for school. Yeah. But I'm sure you could bring your phone inside. Yeah. I would I would assume. So maybe maybe there was just a TV in the room in John Amos was what I'll see what's on. I want to ask something. But I. I just don't know where this is going to go. So okay, obviously, they have the answer. No. I I don't know if you're going to be like, why would you say that? That's like that's weird. I think that's what you're gonna think. Okay. But when you go to for Tillery clinic, and you have to jerk off to get the sperm out. Are you allowed to have sex in the room and then pull out and then put the sperm in in in a Cup? I don't think that's a weird question. Okay. No. I don't think you're allowed to that though. I guess okay. That's that's what I was assuming but I'm thinking to myself like they have to jerk off. But if you wanted to have sex and then finish in right? You know, the sample come is that allowed? Yeah. I just I feel like imagine for. I mean, then you're turning Tilly clinics like sex chamber. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Just having sex every room. I think it's just not really loud. Yeah. I would think it's probably not accepted. Okay. That would be that. It's just a little question that I was thinking while this popped up. But it was very funny either way great story from John stamos that man has so much charisma. Yes. And also I'd like to say that props busy Phillips because busy tonight is getting better better better. I think it was because I watched the first show, and everybody's our show is rough. I really think she's fine. She's very sweet down to earth. Yeah. So I'm rooting for her. And she's getting good guests like we just got this out of busy tonight. We got John stamos talking about masturbating floor house because busy tonight, and I like that. Yeah. So it seems like good content. Yes. She is verse your let's move on. Let's let's move on. Because we're talking a lot about John status. Masturbating? Money power and a great pair of boots. You can have it all wanna know, how stop what you are doing go to the nearest computer. Open up your internet browser and type in the following. There's they boots dot com. That's T H U R S D A Y B O T S dot com. You can go on your phone. 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She obviously hosts a morning show every day like she can't exactly go to Vancouver and film a full television series. But she is going to be playing Mark. Consolo ses mistress like he plays higher Amara iron lodge Hiram is going to have a mistress. I think this is going to be some sort of like flashback situation, maybe in the past Hiram had a mistress. Her description is. That she's playing his character. Name is MRs Moulay, and she is confident and tough. She's a beautiful icy fem fatale who gets caught up in a conspiracy that's much bigger than she initially realized I'm excited for that. Especially because it's her husband to play the mistress for her husband, those to have such great chemistry is just like they married. It's just a little role play situation for them. It's probably hit the trailer. Right after they filmed this. That's what I'm thinking. It's going to get steamy. She's playing his mistress. So it's like a little different, you know, she gives you like the bad girl xactly like they're used to being married and right now it's going to Mark sneaking around with her which is probably as little excitement, Tony. And they're so adorable like on Instagram. They've always been very open with supporting each other. And how much they love each other. They make you know, funny sexual jokes sometimes with each other. I've always said we've always said like saying couples are goals is annoying. But like these two they are actually goes and they're beautiful and they've been married for twenty two years. Doesn't happen. A lot in Hollywood that doesn't. They were married kits two or three goods. I think three props to them. Yeah. Because you don't really see that their son Michael who's twenty one is going to be on the show tonight. He's playing a young version of Hiram which is perfect because they literally look exactly, and it's his son. Yeah. So like a son of role in Riverdale, this is they look exactly the same. Oh, they do. Yeah. Like, she does he has like nothing from Kelly Ripa. He just looks like a clone of Marcus. Yeah. So that's great. He's going to be making his debut. Kelly ripa's going to be involved whole fam- is on Riverdale. And she the the picture that she posted. She has like this to say that she was going to be the show. She has like it looks like a crop to be honest. Like that looks like a crop. Yeah. I'm kind so. Yeah. Begin this looks teammates kink also their son who's going to be on Riverdale tonight. His he's. On private and only three hundred thirty followers the for him. It's not crazy. It's like you don't really see that they more like seeing an actor or actress and you click their Instagram. They're usually followers not only lets his real friends. Follow him. Yes. It's crate rarity. It is very very rare. These days I feel like I didn't work here at my mind scramble still be private because. Mine was for a while. I was for a little while laws an intern in the night to change it. Yeah. I change it like a few months in probably two months, and then I took it off private, but I'm like them only three hundred and thirty followers. He's on private. He's probably getting a million requests now. But I'm sure they come flooding in. Oh, yeah. Constantly. I mean, he is their son. Yeah. Very I'm very excited. I just I hope somehow they can make Kelly's character appear in more than one episode. That would be fun because I don't understand. How one episode is total showing exactly not what what is he gonna just cheat? Once you know, like it's his mistress. Yeah. There'd be a lot of flashbacks. There can be. I said they should bring her to the present. Like, she should come back and get involved now. And right. If you're not up to date sorry on Riverdale. There wasn't an episode last week. So no Susie had two weeks to catch up. Veronica basically wants to kill her dad. 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They sat down the three of them, and then talked had dinner. What did they talk about? Just 'cause I'm laying it out. And I'm picturing all this. And I I'm just seeing Courtney sitting on one side, and then so FIU Scott on the other side because think about the seating arrangements, right? Scott's not gonna sit next to Courtney. So fee is not going to sit next to Courtney. Scott so fear, going sit extra each other probably and corny sitting across. We also kind of have conflicting reports because people reported that it was a tense dinner that Courtney felt the need to like meet Sophia because Sophia spent so much time with her kids. But so FIA also so. And Scott have a lot of arguments. No shit like every twenty year old boyfriend. I don't care. How the boyfriend is like she probably boyfriend all the time. But then e said that so Scott so fee and Courtney had dinner together, and it was very amicable Scott. And so I very serious and Scott felt it was important that Sophia and Courtney interact Embong. They have kept things separate for over a year. Now, and Courtney is now more open and willing to have a surface level relationship with Sofia that I could see surface level relationship. But it's like so ease kind of saying oh with Scott being layer. I want you guys to have some kind of relationship. People was like, no this was tens, and it was like Courtney leg, I should probably meet the woman that's hanging out with my kids all the time. So interesting. Yeah, I feel as court. He was like like you said I need to see who's hanging out by my kids. And also if she's going to stay in Scott's life. They're going to have to cross paths at some point. She can't keep exhorting and Courtney has moved on. Yeah. Clearly, probably waited long enough where she was I'm not gonna meet her until they reach, you know, this amount of time and their relationship because they could break up tomorrow. It would be pointless. You know, they've been together for over a year. They have they've actually. They outlasted what I thought they were gonna totally. I definitely thought that they were it was like a quick fling for them. And they've been dating for a while. So it seems like nicest got does like I'd also like to say I watched of keeping up with the Kardashians from this week. And I thought it was really hilarious when KENDALL and scour in the car together and Scott was saying like, oh my God what's happening with Tristan like, and then he was like, well, what is he doing out and about like he should be home right now. Like he's about to pop. I mean, close about to pop and then Scott goes. I'm into quite a gentleman at I laughed, and I'm like, he he actually seems like he is. Yeah. When Scott, and so I started dating I thought it was just going to be like Bel Thorne status. Like they were going to have hot. Steamy pictures for like two weeks, and then it was going to be going, but they've been together for over a year. So is probably like well shit probably have to talk to this girl now because before that she was just like kylie's friend like Scott, literally started dating like kylie's acquaintance, literally because they they they were they were friends and so feel like in that circle, not not necessarily, but they do have children of famous people circle. Yes. Exactly. So it is a little weird that Sophia is so young. But when you're drink at dinner. Yeah. She couldn't have a drink at dinner. She's not even twenty one. Yeah. Right Bishop pretty games. And yeah. And the thing is if I was Courtney, I sort of look down on her inaugural. Not like. Insulting way. Yeah. Almost twenty years younger than I am and. Obviously, Courtney is more savvy than so. I would think she would think they have nothing. They don't they. They probably don't have anything common. I mean. And also it is weird. But it's also not weird because Sophia is a celebrity, and they all just grow up faster age isn't really a number told them, she she I'm sure she's way more mature as for twenty year old or any normal twenty year old his they're on their own. They're not living with their maybe she does. But. Out here. I haven't babies and she's like fine because she's been independent for a very time. Their parents are not on them at all times getting care of them at all times. They gave them fuck load of money. Like, okay, fun. Exactly. So it is it is. So is with those kids a lot now. Yeah. She becoming a mom. Yeah. And Scott, and Scott and Courtney seem like they're fine in a good place. I they their trip to Bali that they were all on. I think Scott and Scott was on that trip. So they take family trips together. It's fine. Scots involves I want. I wonder if they're currently no they are Reich is Kim. It said they started filming the next season of crashes. Right. I think so that I mean, I also be making that up. But I would seem like they're always foaming any yet. Anytime they go on vacation, they film it. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. They took a giant film each of to Bali. That's definitely. And there's always like one season. Yeah. And if you're having like this a meeting between Sofia and corny. I'm also assuming maybe not the actual dinners filmed. But like the build up before that like hawking, I really want to meet with so feeling that's and then I would assume that's also Courtney is eating salads with her sisters, and she's like, so I went to dinner with Sophie last night, a whole thing. But you don't actually see it. One last question before we close the show who do you like better, Scott Disick or coordinated action? Scott me too. I thought I thought that was going to be like a hot take. But I actually think that's cottages. Funny and fun. I know Scott has obviously made very questionable decisions he fucked up a lot with his relationship corny. But. No offense to Courtney. He just seems like more fun. Yeah. He does. That's the thing. And you know, he has fucked up and he acted like an idiot on the show. But I watched this week's episode. I'm like he's funny has of Kardashians as not may corny look that great. And Scott is so close with all the other sisters. So he must be a lot of fun, and is very funny. It's. I wanna get to this story because it has got me feeling frazzled Halsey John Mayer. Yeah. So multiple people tied us in this e posted Instagram like are they dating I purposely didn't didn't comment back to ridiculous. Exactly. And I didn't know they're not dating. I was gonna write a blog. And right. Like, you Halsey and John Mayer are not flirting their friends the whole thing. Yeah. But I ended up not writing it. Because when I saw everything was it was last night. And I didn't have time this morning. But now we're talking about it. Their friends, and they have openly talked about being friends. Yes. And I hate the fact that everybody saw their comments which other automatically took it as flirting. You know, what I mean because the comments were funny to each other. And they were clearly friends like they have posted pictures together joking around in the comments and friends for a long Di can't John Mayer just be friends with highs e like, why does John Mayer have to be flirting with Halsey? Like, why can't you just be his Z? I had to address it. So she probably awkward between the two of that. So she tweeted saying, I just had a ground-breaking idea. What if we let FEMA artists have friends without assuming that they are sleeping the other? I know I know it's like completely am bishops Baloch imagine if we like tried. I agree. I agree. That's exactly what I was going to say about all of this because those times so much before by each other, but their music and John Mayer is helped palsy, and I I asked him if things are funny house me sunny or not their friends that's at their friends. And that's why I was frazzle. I was like I don't understand why they're taking this and people are tagging me all last night. There was tons of girls Tammy and they're oh, no, oh, no John Maher's with Halsey, and I'm like, no. But he's not see. If you really knew them like we knew them, exactly no matter him. I had. I was like, you know, what if you knew John there? We knew them obvious that they're just friends. I don't even know like like Noah's the John Maher expert no could've told everybody that. This was not a thing. What is your opinion? I saw for a second. I'm on Instagram post where they made it seem like they were actually going. Yeah. It's not real air wouldn't date another Ayla celebrity. Yeah. He wouldn't. He wouldn't wanna do that. Again. He said that before and I feel like even from watching. His scribes. He talks a lot about like being away from all of that. You know, what I'm saying like dated Katy Perry so publicly. Yeah. I mean, he's doing it. So many so many people so publicly, but that was over. That's what he said. I think that I've dated a million people just because I've dated like five people that are really famous, right? I mean, five also day whatever five super famous people is a lot. I mean, people say this ending about Taylor swift like she's had an insane amount of relationships with famous people. That's why everybody says she's like a serial thing is now she's dating someone who's not exactly. And I think that's the path John Mayer is trying to go down. And I think that he is just genuinely friends with everybody has he David like, I think that he's friends with David. I think he's friends with housi- think that he's just in his stage of his life where he just wants to make friends with people. Right. And he's not looking to flirt publicly. There's one thing. John Mayer won't do. And I think it's flirt publicly fat this point. Yeah. Because he's so worried about that image of him. Even we saw with the page six thing and the sleeping with under five hundred women, and he then address them on scramble. I've, and I think that he is so focused on getting that image away from him. He would not pub. Weekly flirt with someone who just got out of a relationship on its grim guy. Don't think that's John Mayer's what he's into right, right? So when I saw this on like, they're definitely friends. Everybody was freaking out, and then obviously Halsey us to step in and it's awkward between them because it's like, oh, everybody thinks we're dating, and we're not just friend. But I agree with her. It's crazy that everybody assumes things automatically. Yeah. And it's. This one just does it what it makes sense to me. You know? Yeah. John Aaron hall z together. Two singers. Yeah. No. You gotta have to fade Ramos singers together. I just I mean, obviously it happens. I'm not gonna I'm not saying famous singer scholar. But I'm saying John Mayer is not going to date another famous singer. I agree with you. Guys. The holidays are fast approaching and things are about to get uncomfortable. Whether you're meeting her family for the first time or trying to survive her dad for the hundred now is not the time for nutcrackers or wedgies. Thankfully, there's Tommy John. The revolutionary clothing company that's redefining comfort for men and women. Tommy, John has the most comfortable underwear on the planet. Keeping you neat nestled an all in one place. They're the perfect gift especially for guys who constantly adjust. 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Like ha guys jokes over you're getting his getting to real time. Somebody just. Here's Tom to tell everyone, you're joking. Yeah. No friend, actually looked at me. Like, she was genuinely pissed off at me. And and I was like well somebody tweeted it to us you were going to see. Anyway, she was like I have my notification shut off. I wouldn't have seen it. I'm like friend. You're telling me you wouldn't have logged onto us tomorrow morning to see that they obtained there this morning been delayed. You would have seen at the morning. Would you rather tell you? Or would you rather see for yourself? Hi, guess you. Tell me see there you go friend and one day at a time. We're gonna help you through this. It's just. I set it. Because obviously she got her about this week what Soviet turned or calling themselves to jas serves they're taking up every call. They're taking p back rides and wearing matching clothes and nicknames for each other. And. Now, as it's like, I knew I said it was like, wow, they must really be getting married soon. And we knew it all maybe it's even before the holidays are around the holidays seem like that. That's the case but getting their marriage license. Do you think they will be married before thanksgiving? Maybe. The look on your face. It was like holy shit. They're actually they're actually getting married. Look there has been a they've taken a step forward in their engagement. Like once a week for like the last four weeks. There's a new thing every week. So just makes sense marriage license this week wedding next week. You know? Yeah. But e- Newsday, right? That. News learned recently that later this month, so literally could be next week Priyanka in Nick plan on taking part in several pre wedding festivities. So they're having a Mendy party as well as Christian ceremony to honor Jonas faith before exchanging thousand historic palace in her native, India. So sounds like they're going to be having like each week. Maybe each week we're gonna get one of these parties. I just don't have three weeks they'll be the actual wedding. What's with all the pre wedding parties? I don't know like don't you just have one Gaijin party? And then you get married because they both have different faiths that they're trying to incorporate everything or they're each you know, they they're doing Priyanka stuff one week. They're doing Nick stuff one we and then maybe and their actual wedding ceremony combining everything together, but unreal and. It's still least they could do is you to the wedding. That would be. So mean. I would love that. So literally somehow, someway, they just three you shade. And send you what would it really is? If somebody on the inside is getting invited to this wedding. Like sent me a picture of the invitation sent you a fake invite. Wow. Yeah. Wow. I'm not trying to give anybody out ideas here. But Priyanka looks ready to get married. She's leg wear guys thirties. She's ready to get married. He's wearing white gowns every chance she gets her engagement party dresses, beautiful her bachelorette weekend week, whatever it was trip to Amsterdam with the with the feathers. And that was stunning. She looks absolutely gorgeous. I'm almost joining you in the in the hate for it because I actually do like, okay fine. I got a really care fabulous. But seeing you so passionate about it makes me wanna get involved. You know, I'm like, you know, what fuck this. You're mad. I'm mad, and you know, we'd love Sophie Turner. Yeah. So it's like. Sanal? Sophie Turner likes are then you know, if Sophie is all in on it, then I feel like we should be. We should be two on it. Because I trust so fi. But here's the thing. This is why it's a little different. Because you you loved Nick Jonas to the point where you convince yourself that you had a shot with him. Yeah. True. I love Dylan's rouse to the point where I just looked at him as crush when I had when I was younger, and I would never actually marry him. But the thought of being like, oh, I wanna marry routes was nice. And then I got over it, you physically convince yourself that you had show Nick Jonas. You're not in your head like, Yep. Yeah. I did. Yeah. I used to have dreams about all the time that we would meet in like the mall by my house, and it just be magic match sparks fly. Actually, see it though. That's the thing. Like, you look like Nick Jonas's type to me he dated Olivia. Cocoa Brown hair. Brown eyes talion. Yep. That's you description. Yeah. You fit. The description that Nick Jonas type loud brunettes. He loves Bruno's arse. Linda, Gomez cocoa. Yeah. He loves brunettes in your brunette. And I feel like you know, you have the personality match. You would be great for dick. But in order for us to just get. I don't know. I just don't. I just don't have time. They don't have. Not time no time because they're going to get married next week. And there's no way that we could get you in front of Nick Jonas in a week. There's no way. I mean, they're married by Christmas. Okay. This one hundred percent hundred Mary by Christmas hundred percent Mary by Christmas, give the wedding might be in between. Thanks, chris. I would assume so. I will say that we actually debated spending thirty five hundred dollars on friend to have an intimate, sir. Yeah. Be serenaded aided by Nick Jonas to play songs too. Because the songs it costs thirty five hundred dollars like a VIP package titled concert. We were far away from payday, and we had been spending our money. So neither of us had the funds. No, I the funds. We're not there. And I actually. I said to friend like if I had multiple credit cards at this point. I would chip in do half and half or you go into credit card debt for that. I would do half an afro, and I ended up paying it off. But we had that wasn't the case at the time. So we didn't get out of that. But I we really that was my chance probably it was for like a half an hour. We were going back and forth. Like, okay. How can we get thirty five hundred dollars from somebody? So that we could buy this ticket for you. Right. It was like a one on one experience. It just friend. You have to think about it like this. It's Nick Jonas loss, drew its Nick Jonas has loss. And that's really all. You can do. That's why I'm just gonna keep telling myself. Yeah. That's what we say. You know, what Nick Jonas is your loss? You're not gonna friend brianca, whatever. Shoot. We're here with Jeremy Parsons who is an editor for people, and he is the host of people now. Thank you for joining not at editor yet. Hopefully one day, I will be I don't know they won't let me do won't let me right thing. They only let me talk. Serious. Says your editor. So I think she just did. You should just Jeremy Senator of people. That's right, but huge news coming from people today 'cause they just announced their sexiest man alive or getting one of the first looks inside the issue. This is what I'm talking about. I just I said this last year because last year was Blake Shelton for the sexiest man watching. Feeling it only committed to Blake's actually made an entire video saying how should not be the sexiest man alive not saying that he's not an attractive, man. But I was thinking more I sell which is now low sexiest ourselves, but I think has been he's been running time. Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully, he's going to be double o seven. That's my thing. So many other people. Here's my question for you on the cover this. We don't have the cover here the cover. He's in like a sweater inside. He's got like a little. Showing some arms. I mean, what do you think? What's your take on on the menu? This flip. Look he is in very sexy. Man. Yes. He is. And it's tough because obviously you can't tell from a from a prince spread. But he's his voice accents. Growing like just just like just listening to him talk. Let's makes him sexy. Boy scouts settle bit of the gray. Look, I'm a married, man. So out of the game. But I do wish that I had known that women love the accent thing. Especially in the US. That is literally the hook some of the most beautiful actresses in the world come through on people. Now, the show we interview them they love the accent. And they love him in that can make them laugh. And it turns out I think it just does both. That's what he says. He seemed to think he's very funny. I mean, he's got that. This was the perfect choice. Really? Yes. He's a DJ like. Benning DJ international deejay. What else what can I do? He's engaged to his fiancee's name Sabrina, and they're planning the wedding, and whatever his number one is only requirement like is must have for the wedding. Those far like nineteen DJ's just have great music. Sharing him dancing at his way. I wanna be tuxedo. Little loosened. He's he's relaxing jacket off and he just like swinging his arms around. I see. This was a great choice so low we always we have questions last year. So many after Blake shelling, but what goes into picking the sexiest man alive? So you've got a team of people every year. So they've got the list, right? The Tallis what people want, but someone who first of all twenty teen. It's gotta be a man who is respectful generous spirit, and that type of thing definitely has that. Also, obviously, look he's dude, right? Good. He spends a little time. Jim actually, surprisingly, though, you know, what he revealed, and they people always say this. And I'm like, what's he doesn't go to the gym every day? He's kinda like wakes up does that. Pushups or level Julius though they call him in the press ups presser he calls them press ups. Fifty press-ups does some other systems ZIM little? Does boxing classes stuff like that. Or just literally in the ring and doesn't go the gym every day anyway. So and and this election goes into like someone that's having a real moment, right or having people campaign for them. It just help us someone who's having right? Huge career moment. He's filming fast and furious. Spinoff. He's obviously people campaign. Right now, it's that kind of energy surrounding him that puts them in the privilege. Also, he's a great dad. He's got two kids got a four year old son. He's got a sixteen year old daughter. He's engaged. She just got all this really great stuff going for him. Great cook turns out like it's one of those things. It's got to be one of those people that what can they not do literally got everything going for them? And he's that guy. Yeah. Do you guys have if you candidates before you pick? There's. The magazine is over one hundred different guys. So there's always this this like, okay this list of people. So you look through the magazine. It's a great thing about it. You look through it. And you've got this full sort of representation of guys from different parts of the industry, and sports and movies, and TV and everything so. Yeah. There's there's of course list. You will never know who else is on top of the list. I'm like so who right? Sometimes I was Ryan Reynolds up there. I don't know. I don't know. He's been. Bradley Cooper's been on their Chris Hemsworth has been on the cover. Wash priceless. Background. Go all the way through a lot of the guys that you would list have been on the cover. So I'm actually shocked. It wasn't Chris Pratt. Now. I I don't see like the obsession with Chris Pratt. That apparently other people do or. Yeah. Yeah. I love Krispies obsessive. Chris Pratt in the issues and the Societa shows up, but I love Chris Pratt. I love superhero movies. I love everything. He's done. I'm glad it's it yourself. Thor with crimson, Chris Hemsworth. So he's got his hand in the superhero game too. That's our thinking. And I know this is not how it goes. But even as you scroll through the magazine, it's other actors and artists or whatever featured males. And I was like oh this just looking to row like this is like they're all right. But they're not there's this like he's the sexiest man alive. And then everybody else is sexy is sexy. The sexy in their own. When you look through. This is what people ask is about like playboy. I read it for the articles you flip through sexiest man alive. Are you looking at the picture I or you're in the articles? I. What are you? What are you most interested in hearing about these guys one of my most interested in hearing about what do you wanna know? I wanna know things that they don't usually talk about like a little fun fact of like like you're saying he doesn't he doesn't work out it works out. But he's not like. If you wanna know like this. This has won his first kiss was. Okay. So you found out there. Ten years. Right. So he was old. We wanna know that I want to know when his first because I want to know when everybody's I just a question. Everybody has to tell us what we should do. Now when we do interviews or. With. When you had your first cat. How old were you? Okay. I was I was I'm not joking. Didn't mean anything. But I distinctly remember being like the fourth grade. There's this girl named joy, Renault e. Was on the playground at my interest. We'd like around the corner, and she. On me. So every ladies, I'm still the lady. Miners at recess and I missed his mouth the first well brew. I was in seventh grade. Okay. So. Bloomer eighth grade. Yeah, it's just. Young. Anything? I remember her name though. Yes. There's probably a very young running at some point. Like when we were, you know. Great or something. We just don't remember peck somebody. Yeah. Usually people I coast over these pictures. So you're seeing there's this great little feature called this. Or that list off things he would rather. Right. Like night in states that keep it all private that kind of as well. Like when they you know, you circle one pedia-. You don't love about to his go, drink a black and coke. It's just right. That's that would be his drink Syria. Walk-ups the bar. I see called champagne shampoos. And that's how he gets the girls. And that's why he's the sexiest man alive. That's right. There you go. Now, I feel like it helps so much that he is sexiest man alive for the JAMES BOND thing like the province of people because they're going to make this man, I would like to say JAMES BOND, and he deserves he has to be personally take a little bit of pride that hopefully this whole cover has. So maybe I've played a little part, even though I'm just talking about it. Maybe I've played a little part in getting him into the double o seven. Where does your will come in? That I host people now, and we talk to these people, and we talk about these people, and we talked about these people, right? The people charged up for the issue and everything that we're doing by the way, there's a really great video feature with him. So when the same interview that that the article came from is in this great video feature on people TV you can. Common. Check it out and also one of my favorite things about it. So because he's a DJ. He put together curated a playlist a music playlists on. Spotify. Okay. He's been alive is how you can search for it. And it's like it's like it's like a sexy song playlists. Oh. That's a live play. See we didn't get this from Blake Shelton. Very different feel this Blake Shelton. I will I'll watch veil close my eyes just like. Like. Voice. A lullaby. So soothing, he's not singing the songs, but he's talking music. Through the. That's the problem. I have with like I'm thinking about is this too much. I don't know. But with my my wife like, oh, hey, babe. I told her about this playlist. Yeah. She's already on it like downloading it. And I'm like, I don't I don't want you to be thinking about him. You feel insecure now that she's not thinking about UCLA thinking. I definitely do right Pearson. I'm not gonna lie. I thought when you said he made his own like sexy man playlist was like those are his jams. Those. Down this. Literally, the whole like, and that's what I like to know. And that's why I'm going straight. I can't bring that. Like can't be like, hey, babe. This is elbows. Ladies just about. Downloaded don't tell your man that. That's what this is. That's fair Curators. I didn't realize that he had some tattoos got some TAT's, and they're all very mindful. So his mom is from Ghana. His dad is from Sierra Leone his tattoo on his hand. At least is a combination of some of the symbols that are on their flag and the national symbols and things like that. So there's a lot of meeting with all of them. They're not just like he rolled up and said, you know, he's got a lot of thought that's one of the things. It's so great about doesn't know what that kind of guy sit there with his black and coke at a bar and tell you all these great meaningful stories about every tattoo on his body. And it's kind of like, oh, wow. You're really just like a very interesting as well. And also he says his celeb- crushes Serena Williams he thinks she's about. Yeah. That's a fact that was actually one of Julie's pulsa shoot. She loved that about him. And Julie what's the movie that you love of his? The mountain mountain between us now. Plane crash during the snowy mountains, she's getting spoil. But in the woods. Okay. Has never been steamy. That's for sure I have I'm with you on the on the superhero movies. I'm big time marvel gal. So I mean. Story. It's actually fixtures. Yep. Yep. The whole he was he was at. I remember the he was at the Royal wedding. By the way, Matthew, mcconaughey. Hey, former sexiest man alive co movie the other not long ago in Matthew had this really funny. He went all in like vying for like, hey, this is the guy. You gotta do a guy worked with Matthew mcconaughey as or two he's working with Dwayne the rock Johnson. They did really funny thing that you're gonna see online at some point funny sketch thing and whatever so Dwayne prominent it's almost like this weird not weird like kinda super cool sexiest man alive club. All the guys like have this commonality like push each other. The rock. He's also one of these guys that you would love to see play any role yet. Right. Any romantic comedy? You would want to be in an action movie would want him to be like, no thriller. Like, I'd I want him to be in like a Christmas holiday romantic comedy. But then also being true to those types of things. It's the kind of guy that can just turn on the smolder. Yeah. Like make you swoon or he can just be like just a super hard core. Kind of like fighting crime. That I was picturing each movie, oh, he's visiting his new fiance's parents during Christmas. And now he's hiding in the woods somewhere. And he's going to kill them. People are after picturing it all. One of the things I loved about the interview in watching the videos talk talking about sort of like the saucer side of him talking about being so nervous to propose to Sabrina his fiancee. And he was just like super anxious about it wasn't sure what to do. And then it was at this premier event for this movie did back in February. It was kind of a screening for the cast and crew and family members and stuff, and he was like all right here with all the people love them just do it right now. So he did it on stage. There's a great clip of the video of him actually proposing the whole thing they seem to just have this really dynamic relationship. So anyway. When do you guys love lock in the sexiest man, Vince, it just there's a lot of factors because a lot of the guys are year to year, they're working on different projects. They're doing different things. So kind of being able to nail down. This is gonna work. We gotta gotta get the interview gotta do all the stuff. So you would be surprised how close to the final could sometimes. How do you? How do they tell in this case in this case like a surprise you mail community? Actually congrats. Live like, you think you're being spoofed. He actually this time didn't realize was the cover. So he's been in the issue before like I said like there's over one hundred guys in the issue. So his publicist the people contacted his publicist his publicist contacted him. It was like, hey, you're the sexiest man alive. And apparently his initial reaction was like, okay, great like what page. Before. On the other. The guy the main thing. So then he was obviously, so. So they get picked and then they do their bread and cover. And the interesting thing is that I love so much about him to contrast Blake Shelton. Blake Shelton was so funny with it. Right, right. He took it made. He he always made a big joke about it in a really fun self deprecating type way Idris is almost he seems happy to do it. And he's also very shy about it almost right? Like, he's not the kinda guy that comes out like with a lot of bravado. Sort of plays around with it a lot, but you can tell he's a little sheepish about it in some way to acknowledge a cool way. That makes you like him. There you go. Yeah. Truly. I it's it's like you want them to be humble about it. But also like be happy about it. Oh, like, he's pump Jesus. Sexiest male the dilemma that. Every man has in the dating world. Coming in. But lab. Exactly, right, right. He com. There's a few guys that do it just as one of them. And the. Yes. His been live. And we talk about this with other male celebrities, and we talk about when they're self deprecating deprecating about themselves. It's like, oh, it makes them a little cuter. See? Ladies love, the humor funny. It's right for us. Become like Davidson factor. Yeah. I I didn't want to say about four. That's what it is. But now, we're like, and is Davidson sexy may be nagazine. Like, I'm I to actually you told me I realize like two weeks ago. I'm like damn I think that maybe Davidson is hot. And I it's not even like looking at him. It's just Davidson, even those he's not sexy. He. Which I guess made it more. But he's like a joke about like Wall Street. That's that's what it is. An I I'm even like, why do you think that like why are you thinking he sexy, but he plays along with it factor? The factor endorsement of someone like Arianna. Good for him for a long time. I think right. Okay. You what are you next next? Phase for Davidson. Oh, I think he's going to date another super famous one. Yeah. Maybe sexiest man alive covers in this feature. This is the wild turn styles and types that then land on the cover the it could be a comic be have there. Been one of my time out Blake Shelton last year musician. I always. There's a lot of. Movie actors. Yeah. But I should like Adam LeVine. Yeah. So it's a it's a cross section to the voice hosts. Yeah. You were talking about last year. You're like, well, I love the void. I love it away. So when they announced place. Well, I love Blake Shelton. So great on the voice. So funny. Also, one of the great things about Blake was the way Adam play. This competing thing. And who's the sexier of the two of them have great chemistry? So it works. Definitely works. Do you guys ever receive backlash for the sexiest? No matter what I'm saying. I did last. Would you take notice to it and finish who's the sexiest? I mean, just go online. And but I will tell you this. You're Selva has had overwhelming positive reaction. I was I was actually looking through last night. When it I was posted up and just the first few hundred comments just right away. And everyone was like oh, perfect time love this guy scrim too. And saw a lot of very positive because it's like, you can always see other sides was like, oh, you know, I could see maybe some people wouldn't be into it. But with him. It's like how could anybody be against anybody? One of the greatest qualities as like a public figure actor type is having the good-will so many people, right? Like this guys is beloved by so many people say like women were commenting say like I wanted to be Ryan Reynolds. But I really love interest. Like, he might not be my tippy top favourite. But like, he's great actually if you think of it before it's like, oh, absolutely. And I would assume that if if say Ryan Reynolds was the choice. There would be more backlash shorts. Ryan Reynolds than him. I agree with you. Because I think you're right. It's kind of like, okay, come on Reynolds. Again. Yeah. Exactly. But I mean, the cover everything you Soling last year, Blake Shelton actually, leaving truly. I made it like. Literally was. Yeah. No, it's great now. I mean, I got over within twenty minutes after video, but if I recall correctly, this was one ear suggestions on who should. I've saying question in the Davis effect in terms of areana made Pete more sexy. According to you did Gwen Stefani. Make Blake Shelton Morrison. Yeah. Yes. Definitely. I don't think. See, no. I'm not a country. In the boots and the. Well, there's always a good accession. Yeah. All right. That's the one exception there. Oh my gosh. But this has been so much fun. Thank you. That we got to see behind the scenes of this. And it looks great and graphing yoursel. Yep.

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Border Wars 6: September 12-15 When Will The Ducking Stop

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Border Wars 6: September 12-15 When Will The Ducking Stop

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Now I'm not really under the guy who will try them sit down. Get adverse a decision but it is what it is. Yeah. Man. I'm excited to get that journalists and to see how it looks the fifty. I how rose about take it to the gym tests that out, but Yemen bought award with, with what was fun. I thought I had I had to get time auto vice where entertaining everybody seemed to like show up in and gave their best effort. Yet man had a good dinner at the border war, so yeah, had had a great time in New Jersey that we can had a epic laugh. I chat like a hit two hundred thousand views though keeps climbing. Then it keeps climbing. I'm I'm hoping to replicate that I was hoping we could push board awards for July twenty of just so we could do it again for pack out, Thurman. I think that's a fight that will give us a good immediate reaction. When Thurman knocks out pack Yao, that's going to be huge. But. We've decided on canal, oh, and whoever he's gonna fight around Mexican independence day. I believe, but let's talk new players. I have been told that Eddie. Bowl Rasa will be, you know, he's, he's going to be joining Boorda wars. He's someone that you're not familiar with. But he's a friend of Robert Ortiz longtime ago, many years ago. He was our laws Vegas. Correspondent. And he's been a patriot for quite some time. And you know he. Dabbled in boxing. He loves it. But like many. Andy release sparked the true underdog story and he gave our very own. Mexican Eddie Nevada's either Grasser aka or translated to win, English as a grease the inspiration needed to get into ring because once upon a time, he signed up for Boorda wars. I do have to say this once upon a time he signed up any backed out, so you know, he, he was a guy that is in a heavyweight division, and he didn't want to lose the ways like you know what this ain't for me, the training that it took to get prepared for border wars. But at this point, he's ready to try again. And he's reinvigorated. I mean Andy Ruiz has him motivated. And you know, he's he he wants the spite. How old is he? It was very grand guy. They rains much ways. Not quite sure, but he ways he weighs two hundred and eighty five pounds. Okay. He's a heavyweight. Tally. I'm Texan now, I've, sparred them though, I think he's got skill. I'll call him to go you. He's sparring, I'm taller than everybody. I want to say he's in between five eight two six feet. That's all I can give you. I'm you know what I mean? You know what I mean? It's, it's not. They fix then that's for you to I'm just saying, I don't know. I don't know. How big is I really don't. But. What could I say? I mean. We got heavyweights his size. You know, let's say he's five eight to five ten we got Joseph, we got some theatrical, we got more phone go. Good. Good for windows already found with Joseph is already good. He's good to go. He's got the he's got the, you know, Santiago fight to worry about. I think that's a good test your feet fight. With Marvin going do Marvin as Marlins heavyweight, or these doing and Dan way. Yeah. Marvin wants to fight Gus. He chose gusts. The gusts wanna fight gusts will fight anyone and he's accepted his challenge. Yes. Oh, but. But. Right. But, but, but, but Mike. Um. Eddie bull Gaza he called out. Got them. Sam what's going on? Because he, he, he, he was inspired by Andy Ruiz's. So he doesn't want a Joseph fight or Santiago fight. He said, I'm the Andrew is aboard wars. I want a shot at the top. Now, he's been in there with me, so he's not going straight for me. But he called out who's he called out crews, he called out Marvin. He called out more phone go. He said, give me Marvin. Let me read this text to you bro because this doors. But he's bad as that's why getting shine. He says, look. He goes, he said, Marvin, the modern fight makes my, my mouth Salvi. If he takes the fight, then make it if not, I'll take crews if I'm too heavy. For crews, give me more fungal. I saw the gusts fight. This last Boorda. Was it does nothing for me too easy? So this is a guy that wants to challenge himself. Don't you dead disrespect this man, because he wants to be the Mikey Garcia because we, we didn't know what? Mike do Earl we thought he would get knocked out. He didn't get knocked out. He impressed, some and, and many believe so don't take away. This guy's moment. He thinks he could take out Marvin. He wants to know he wants to know heavy way to make a name for himself. Meanwhile, the to know heavyweight, he rather fight someone this coming off the law. Us. And that's why the title of this show is called boardwalk, six when little duck and stop who more wanna fight. He wanna fight Gus coming off a loss. I mean who, who goes fight them, if negative? No, you, you tell me you tell me shit go, while the should well defying while defy Joe Washington next coming off as well. Good, fight guy ball, Greece. His name you. Well, Bala Greece feels gusting all his level he wants to impress you. He doesn't want to own one fighter. He wants to in old fighter. Negative five eight two two eightieth shit. The he got me. So you treat them dislike Andy Ruis more reason from and that's what he wants. Listen. Might be Mikey was than Earl bra. And you believe Mikey not you. But the public, the public believe Mikey, Mikey was smaller Earl what's the difference? You you've been in rain when we're both guys already said it in a chat. I'm doing it for T V. I ain't doing it for the show. Eddie is better than gusts. Okay. I say I said it. I said it in a chat. How much bidder? Fern gully says, hey Ness. What do you think? I think anyone who applies for the season aboard awards highest to submit sporran sparring footage before being absolutely firm. We've always done. That believe me. We got spun footage of Lauren, you know, is there if you need it like I'm never gonna match make bad. And I just got the tail of the take from Eddie. He's thirty two and he's five seven. Five seven the ball coming at you. Yeah. He's definitely small. Hey, man. I mean. Now. How tall is released though. By sixty but base eighty six two so listen, we ain't the pros and I'm not AJ ice seven, I ain't fury six nine ain't wildest. So. Like five seven is is the six feet of the pros. You know what I'm saying just say, I don't know all I'm saying is. A call them people out man of the people call, it people out, like who, who do you respect? Do you respect the do fight coming off the loss? We'll get into rain. Oh, you take take you fight as a boxes shoes of you. Gotta put your your now say hat on by now. You say to breath competitor, now man. Man, what can I say man be competing nowadays? In Robin within come you ready? Eddie is listening. He's at work. He's on west coast time, Las Vegas do like I told you and the beauty of Eddie is this if Eddie stays motivated is my belief the he will attract Robert Ortiz from escape the fate that's his best friend and Eddie like me. I wonder if he's Gemena asset Eddie, because he gave Robertson shit like bro. Like, what are you afraid of, you know what I'm saying like get in there and challenge yourself? And I think it's you know there's a strong possibility that. If Eddie participates Robert will be forced to in a way, you know, his friends and family are going to be looking at him. My bro. You always spa at a you owe as talk about how you can be Eddie. Meanwhile, you're going to go let any do competition alone, your best friend. I want to that my motivation. Kicking kicking the rain within a seat. To get back in shape. Sin Eddie going to the gym CC. Eddie train might might be a little motivate. Those guys are better friends. So I'm pretty sure they'll talk maybe couple of time the leak so. Yeah. Man. If you hear Eddie, no saying, really, really technical, maybe Robert Wilton, and listen. Robert can make it find though. Rob. Let me tell you. It's my belief that Robert Ortiz could be one of the best fight as on Boorda was it? I think him and Anthony Edwards is a super fight. They both. They look like. Mirror images of each other. Except Robert has tola Robert is one eighty five at six to Anthony is what five eight maybe five Hicks, Anthony. May not think he's six feet. My met five ten five eleven man, you crazy. You see, I got pictures, actually I'm a screen share some pictures right now. I got one to screen shit. And this if I could find it if his hit you up there it is. Oh, doesn't let me do that. Okay. No, that's because I'm John and do video my bad. So I gotta do this. And now this is bull. They get ASA Eddy. Nevada's, right. In the meantime, I'm gonna go find you pictures of both cruise Edwards, and Sal. All side by side. Yo ain't me. I'll tell you end the until you listen. I'll tell them. Yeah. But isn't that up to an because don't gotta take the fight? It wasn't cold down. Saying you say, like five eight five six oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I, I don't think he's that saw Bo. Check them by five ten Hannah chat listening. Let's see what he say. Let's see what he say. So that is both good Assa. That's who Marvin doesn't want any parts of. But, I guess, crews and my phone go have put in the border wars chat, that they put at nine seventeen they put the day would both accepted so crew said, give me ASA and then mongo said, yeah, I'll take it. If Cruz doesn't want it. So eddie. You gotta fight Chan. You gotta fight. He'll Mepham go was last on his list. So I'm assuming he's gonna want that cruise fight. We gotta see if Cruz wants that. I mean like I said he did say he wants it now, this is crews, Sal, Anthony Edwards, side-by-side Mike. So this is the hundred and eighty five pound division, right here. And obviously cruisers one eighty five at this fight and Bala, Gaza would be having a to then Joan cruise. But it's also given cruise the opportunity to gain weight, he used to be heavyweight. Obviously one eighty five is a healthier way for him. So again, I said, it's not a duck for cruise. He has options and he has the option that every fighter should get which is to rebuild, you know, rebuild, if, if you have the promoter that can help you rebuild rebuild no need for crews to take a tough fight on his way back. Right. Like I said, man, I wouldn't put area. A. Cruise is going to be a tough anybody. Cruise is like one of those guys that just made for no matter who's he's in with them. Sometimes I thank crews, maybe Feist it a level of competition. Let's say you just bought a house. Bad news is you're one step closer to becoming your parents. You'll proudly mow the lawn and give anybody noticed you the lawn till people to stay off the lawn. 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I can't say that because it was kind of like the saying, not the same guy, but maybe Jose just thing crews, do you think crews in his coach coach Midi, who if you look at many he relies on speed and activity. Do you think that they will look at that fight with strategically and say cruise, you know, a lighter man, maybe you can put in more shots on both sides? But other glasses. Listen and he says he starting camps in Morrow perfect, whichever one of them wanna take it take it. Mean but crews ain't being over two hundred his laughter looks like Anthony Edwards recorded himself at five nine. Okay, I'm about to go. So you know this guy is right there with them, but that's one division. And air five nine in chat yesterday. He said he's moving up the cruiserweight after he takes the belts in his next. Who I what? Thank you by here. Oh. Because you would've took him out. You would think. Everything and you six three six two three. So you thought you had a high advantage and rejoin our I would have fun with this shit right here, man. I'm just saying, but you can't you can't forget to factor in his Jila. I know you was a ball player. So I'm assuming you assuming you had good agility to but. Fight by fight is showing. Right. And I know he is just showing why. That was explosive in the clinch that, right? Dish showed me, now, say what? Does he got to come with age money in trying to get him? Jimmy Jimmy met signed sealed. And I mean, I've been seeing h money, call in, I mean, we're going to get him on. I know Kareem Esam shit to say. Let's let's, let's take it to the streets, and gets from the public came talk to me. Okay. Again. Would would is a border wars, man. I'm I'm good online, NASA. You'll fight was was great. But that's the best I've seen you look on border awards man. Super patient. You look, you look, you look, good man on that shit was funny earlier. Now all of a sudden. Dive. Now, look good look good. Very, very patient. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't because I noticed a Gus was a little kind of little bit wild. So I thought she was trying to maybe would have went in for the kill little earlier. But you, you stayed back you a patient don't eat through the big shots when they were open in the it was a real good five for you might you though. But had you losing that fight to one, I think wasn't into the third round to when you finally found a rhythm and you picked it up and you digital thing that they're around. So I'm excited to see that rematch though. Because if you can pick up where you left off in that third row be a different story. I think you can take the victory. Midi Powell number one. If he's not pile for pound number one. Then, then both from Bemba's is just crazy. Because Midi I think it real. But look, I think he keeps Midi off the list, because media's semi pro you know he's. Well, he's white collar boxing, but wasn't JD a pro a former pro very true. Very true and may end like Joe JD look I mean isn't he looked like a very skilled boxer. He was very good. I think his main problem was he just did. Let his hands go. I don't know what he was really trying to do. Codes media Midi was letting them shits go pack. He was letting them bitches go fast hands accurate. I mean he was letting them bitches go. And he was I had I had them in a shutout three. Oh, let me JD obviously show, you can just see, by the way, he boxes way, Pasha's themselves the way he moves that he was a pro. He's got skill. I just don't know why he went out there and look, I don't know. It was it was weird. Man. He just wasn't. I don't think I don't know. I guess he wasn't ready for media. What the case was. But he just kinda didn't we let his hands go too much. I don't know. Man, I had to shut out, though for many. He looks really really, really good. I and I saw the footage on voter will on a patriot. I mean when he was sparring style, because I remember watching south and I thought sil- looked like he could be an amateur. So he looked very good. And when he was boxing his media. I mean he was getting stub rose radios down. He's. That's it was crazy. I remember watching like what the fuck like. So let's say, hey, is going. He's he like broad. That's appropriate. Did I'm like. East next level, I don't I don't think anybody really should be calling them in now. Marlin seems man Marlins. Sims got a call out many, we need a protocol, how many Midi one son Marlin. Martin seems chip. We got nice. Need to get a pro a real pro familiar. On that level, we need someone is taking a serious as many because many as train him and Midi transfer real bright. He go via. But that's what he want. My endless mini got a team. He ain't gonna take no fight that don't you know what I mean? He wants to challenge so being on get hurt. And we don't know. I'm just trying to like more fan. Real pros didn't they do for a living? Mamiit like medical, dude. Shift for a live. Word is back. No counter man. If found. Serious talks. And you can't beat no UK guy on don't put them in with Marlon. But he early seven in what a bell in the UK. So you say he does like Columbine. Just wanna Bill any pick him up there. You know, many Mike Berger. Oh my wow. To say is that with to this shit when they can get put meeting here? But he just he just showed the he's on another level. We don't do this shit for a living, Jay. He he was under estimating media, the whole term. Her. With us. Guy who does this for a living, and it's going to get in there and take these seriously. I don't want to get hurt breath. What I'm saying, but first of all, I ain't nobody going hurt. Nobody we got a referee and a good referee shout out of doing that. You know what I'm saying they want. I don't I don't think many will go out there and get hurt. Really? I don't believe that. But could he? I think he won't eat pros. Right. And they get serious on your. I'm just saying it was gang bra you. Right. And just because you a parole on a piece of paper doesn't make you good. I could not answer that. I never pros was using this. Spurs pros amateurs, I spoil all pros five or no one in. No. And whatever comes through the gym, whatever my coach tells me I could spa. You write is spun, but they don't mean not embroi- like anyway. On love fuck that. I'm going to mini man. I'm going, I'm going to mini Midi whatever mean. I mean you got fans, I hit the term pro. That I know I hear I hear with Mike Strange to say, but Mike do those are no, the whole picture, right? And I appreciate you looking for me nice, but you don't have to look out for me. I'm all right. Hook off with saying that I'm on. I'm not saying I'm on the level of lake elite elite pros and all that. But you shouldn't use I definitely agree with you down never to these game. But in the program, they also level so you have, like different type of, of people at different stages of their career, and stuff like that. And in the gym, like a nice to stuff. You probably don't know where in the gym. I do. Small, we've pros that I actually getting ready for about like for my last flight. I was in camp. We've again I was going for European WBO belt. And it wanted. I was probably the way fruits of it was all right. And it was legitimate. It was legitimate. Running. I'm that does my problem. I'm old man. More dot com take the game seriously. 'cause I'm thirty six months of every time we speak to people who say all we want to put you on some things, they how old are you? Okay. Let's go to next man. You know so that. Does my problem you but I've just jump on the show? Right. So I was just I'm not right now. So I was just like trying to to listen in. So, what are we talking to? Why are we talking about the next location and border? We're trying to get aboard awards UK mini with Boorda words, clamming, let's take board awards internationally. Hey, I'm good. We've moved right? I'm telling you, if it's in the UK, I'm happy to organize and that the only problem I don't know if you didn't join the group chat, we had yesterday, right? But we have to be fair and consistent with everyone like the problem with the UK the year, we can make a make it a shiny events. But you're gonna have like a lot of people at least five six or whoever bought spitting from the US, we're going to have to be flight tickets to come here and then I mean, we can try to work things out in terms of accommodation, but, like it's still like amigo expense doesn't go into Canada? For example, with a look like it was going to be free hundred dollars or something like that. So, yeah, that that's the only blocker. But if people are happy with it. I'm I'm happy to organize in the UK man. We can make it a you gave us the US or something like that enough. Yeah. Man. So many what direction are you going? You hoping this someone signs up and gives you a challenge, or are you going to accept the? Call out of JD the rematch, I'm hoping I'm happy to do to another the Rimas we've JD because I told him that I would write. And but. It would all depend. Right. JD going to be able to come back to jersey CT so soon if he can make it great if we come then happy to anyone really likes anyone you got for me. We've in the, the boundaries right? So I am hoping that Mike will look at me if you getting me, a killer, and it was just say, no, no. Evidently, like you know Mike, if you said that none of these levels to that game because Austin follows a year. That's my friend, right? Here we tried would kick mass easy, right? But, you know. Fright but shit. I'm just saying. That we've everyone, okay? We would on people and, and something with me, I'm not like I'm not the kind of do just like we'll do something stupid fight anyone if that guy. No, my level and is way too good for me. I will just tell you guys, you know, I found out. Go to your nemesis, who badly wants to redeem himself says he's going to take it serious this time. But now the questions out there you presented. It will he be able to make Mexican independence day success. Twelve and thirteenth is what we need from all border wars fighters off, Thursday. Gotta land early morning. We're not accepting late night flights like Anthony Edwards. We just need face videos. We need to continue to build Boorda wars in Europe, part of it. So you gotta get here in times. There's fighter commitments. Fuck. No mind. But. I'm sorry, JD. I'm sorry, this do. Marvin is gonna make me lose weight the whoop is as listen to what he's saying in the chat, I'll fight Bola. They get us. If, if more phone go fides Joseph, like, who is this guy yo-you guys need to put that energy on him? But he's like, ducking obviously, like blatantly and people space out fi, if like what the fuck JD man, what's going on redemption? Joe is damn feel yet. Yeah, he did we talked like right after, you know, go to war five. Right. And nitty say that he he'll go right back into it. So I kinda wanna own them to that. I do I really do want my get back because. Yes, I would I would just fallen guy, and I was concentrating so much on, like, like, not taking a step back. That I've been out fight nowhere. I didn't play my game plan. And it's you know, I don't wanna use no issues. I wanna go right back into the median rematch out what whatever you know, but on the outside, I got in people is like, oh, you don't even deserve rematch wasn't competitive be like they like yo you holding up. Many from Sean. And in doing this thing. But you heard career the listen way, the first round could have went either way, y'all Carina. Kareem for Florida said it was three oh sweetie. I don't know. I mean listening to the commentary, you know, living into Mike on the commentary, I could see the first round going in my favor, but, you know, listen, lifting theory I do. You know it's not even if even between you right out, it is. Now is the chance to use reliable energy to grow your money with the dominion, energy reliability investment. Our new investment product offers competitive returns, no, maintenance fees, and flexible, online access to your money, make the reliable investment in reliable energy, the dominion, energy reliability, investment to find out more go online to reliability, investment dot com. That's reliability investment dot com. This Saturday, only old navy famous flipflops are one buck plus get free flops. When you spend twenty four dollars or more in store or online, Saturday, only it'll navy and old navy dot com. Valid six fifteen solid color. Only limit ten in stores, five online free offer valid before noon, PS t I'm. On the fight. Browse I thought too many bro. Campaign, you wanted that you case scout on your Reckitt bra you let many put his on chat. Listen, the you know you know how I thought about this. They and I thought about how Sugar Ray for with what my guy from Panama. Iran. The I. Yeah, you know how you fought the first fight which wasn't his fight, then he came back. Totally. He can burn yourself to sing. Hey bigger, man. I wanted to show you what I'm saying stronger. Yeah. You know, I was seriously determined to, to show that I would small guy, but I can be the bully if I want to and for some run up. Who? Hey was like he was like pingpong in your head. Be now listen. I know that the rematch back, I know that the rematch is going to be good because you're going to work hard at this time, you, you should have did that the first time. That's what I love about Boorda wars disrespect for the game. That's what I love about this. These these as these call. They sit on the outside. I think this should have game and they get in that ring. And they suffocated in that first round. Motherfuckers don't know what to do now on your behalf. You, you ain't get them hands go because you knew them shots was coming at you like a machine gun. Are there had? What? What then? They wouldn't even have I was just more. I was more frustrated. I couldn't get to them on the fuck in the first round. You got spunk. You would know what works for you before hand. You know, getting on the side, you got a letter. I was barring them either. Golly, the fucking green giant. I wouldn't know you wouldn't know might you would've known range and leverage, man, you would have known you known. That's what people don't count for. That's what they on account for that range of you gotta you gotta new. Yeah. I think too much. No, no, no, no. But JD I look, I will sanction it because Midi wanted Commissioner. Grizz, but I'm gonna make sure to have EMT all hand. Oh my God. My girl said I said, yo Bank Gilgal fight, and she's like, what I said, do she said. Only lay should be fighting. Out. That comeback. Would you. I don't think he did no no training because it was evident. He he did not. He was falling over on Phoebe was so tired. So if he actually trained and I, you know, maybe we can get a different story out of, you know. Listen. I'm being hard on guilt because he going to train with us sea-going turn into a jersey boy. So we're going get him, right? Anybody y'all Santiago come here he wins? I fight Zack from Canada. Come over here, he'll winners. I fight I'm I'm promising that shit. I'm like Antonio Tarver right now, begging to train AJ, I'm telling you, I got and I got the tutelage Mike start doing good when he listened to now. Boom Ness, bottom line, you know what I'm saying ninety nine fighters. Listen to me yelling and that ring, and they do better because I could see a better and you know what's funny because fighters say you'll you always could see from the outside. But then when you get on the inside the total different story, but budget my bad. Now gonna say real talk. If admitting say he can make it happen and September. Hey, just a matter of matching data whenever nine dates. Data set, we need you to come in at twelve and thirteen. You can leave when you want, but I suggest leaving on the fifteenth coming back to the house being the same guy in a red hat getting all the popularity you know, everybody doesn't know if they having correlated JD. He's the guy in the red hat you might know him better as the guy in the red hat. That's how the common section has them on the immediate reaction show for AJ Ruis. But he was the intelligent one from the very beginning picking and obviously we were the ones laughing at him. Could not do it. But JD is the same guy in the red hat, who you think has a great boxing, brain. So you know you know they didn't know that. Yeah. Well, it did make it happen, man. I didn't want that rematch. That won't be sick, timber twelve and thirteen face. I'm their show some data. I'm Ryan with your game. I can't ride cadence. Guy show something I listen to me, man coach Midi just bidding coach mini just put in a chat that you not in. 'cause you got a bum as droid. He said, I will be there dot dot dot jersey is easy for me. Just. Said jersey is not for me. Right. I know I know usually there's shit, but not not it's on man. If if it do I'm Joe men, JD, do you have any novice hundred and eighty five pounds? You could bring because we need a new fight for Matt, it looks like Danny isn't gonna know whether or not he could give the rematch until we know where exactly Cannella will be Jimmy won't smoke. Jemmy. Hundred eighty five any friends under the ninety five keep us posted. If you're not looking into Chad. Jimmy win ace side on us man. He's AJ now. He's like talk to my promoter. Look in the chat, he's like, yo Gill contact my promoter. Talk to my Joe. He's, he's Eisai is look. Look, sometimes you need h money, Eddie Hearn the talks because guess what? I won't lie. I didn't see the value in Jimmy like and what I mean by that is I needed h money to make me realize, yo. He's Mexican he's the Mikey Garcia of Boorda wars. He could be so much more. And it's true. He got this style. Everybody's talking about the Jimmy Gill fight. They talk about else, you know, occasionally, they talk about me, and you, but they talk about Jimmy Gill and how in the train, so they stole the show. And, you know, he does have the possibility chameleon was found go with at the that turns out to be a hell of a fine, my opinion. The finally unite helluva fight of a fight how we also got fern gully possibility coming back. He's gotta get going. Really? Laura though, no firm gunny in Lawrence Lawrence been calling out firm for two seasons. You know, fern you know, he was in available for board awards and Texas on, on, on by the righty want that workman yet furnace pound for pound number one back in the gym furnace back in the gym. It's all about vacation days for him. Now. He did a fucking box kind of lifestyle. He does live the boxes lifestyle. He spars weekly constantly regularly. He's the only do the wind into his first fight with over two hundred rounds respond. So for him it ain't nothing. Another day to do another damaging the probably mcelwain doing three minutes. The only difference for. Well, many, many says furnace, not pound for pound. But according to the last pound for pound rankings. He was number one. Unfortunately they respected the way that he knocked out. Kevin koala from Texas New rankings out Bo. Bo. Let you know the rankings coming out win tomorrow. Tomorrow or Saturday. Rankings. We'll be out Mideast argument is that he only fought one time. Is before him and should be number one. Why is getting all this? Like, first of all didn't get a stoppage his shit went the distance. You feel me. I got a stoppage. And I'm consistent each biggest trying to say I'm on Roy's now when each I'm not gonna do down like I'm the only one the reason. Ain't gonna start getting out of the praise. We've seen crews yet because crews got this already cruise. Fucking a casual now. So we, we know Cruz got pedigree ain't never been down. Never been dropped. Have you ever been hurt? Got dropped. I'm saying crews has ever been hurt. Crews have been hurt. I may you leave it to Jose. He, he never been rob backroom back cruise up. And then when Linda, they're punching and we give everybody in the jail. Uh-huh. Amazing. Damn he real. He heard from river Kadam. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's rocketed the fucking around with Endicott. He the, the way back to that corner was not good that many in between he, he got his, his back on my guy, you'll midday smitty, yo Miniya's like the fuck and of the of the of the of the pussies bre, he's talking about ain't getting dropped his urban legend what the fuck you gave them. Eight count me. He's he did the many pag gallon pounded his fist. You mean the second knockdown when he got sent through the fucking ropes was urban legend yet cause you ain't count, that one like you ain't count, or like Kevin Cunningham, count, my second knockdown that, you know what I'm saying? I'll feel like contacting Kevin I was watching this story on, on my damn. I wonder if he'll let us do it again. I mean he, he would I on. I don't know. Mentors pair that are wholly who's down there. Yeah. Vaga exactly if he ain't training them girl from near mining for this ship. Maybe listening. That is border wars. I wanna see you. I want you to. I'm going to gather here getting this shape, and who? Pain big enough for you and I do doesn't pay. I seen Fred the other day say he ran five miles up the mountain in Kelly. I wanted to tag him I actually commented, but I don't think I put Boorda was, what did put board awards for is fire him. Who always in Chad? But today he ain't did. Meanwhile, he always on Instagram punching bag and doing speed bayside. You're wes. The Harlem gro charter disappeared. And I'm ducking him to chant. That's, that's marvelous mainly van. Right. We weren't to have heavyweight main been will be the main. Minnie's Wayne a pussy facts. Whoa. You know him hit him in meetings. Because he may mid east French heavyweight by plane ticket and then have to cancel Wayne pool. The I got a ribbon Gery in a week before the fight actually three days before the fight say that Dr Clint him. What was that? What that Wayne? But I mean is like this? I wanna see you in there one of these YouTube. One of the. Another ability to be profiling, man. But one day, one day awards gotta get bigger gotta get bigger. So, you know it ain't that they don't want to just got to be worth it like Logan, Poland in chaos. I was hit fighting each other. You know they fought each other when they may sends just like may whether impact cow and, you know, AJ wilder would fight each other when it makes sense to then. Listen. I'm Jay right now in the sense that, I mean that by this one sentence is better for me. I'm just getting better, the more, they let me fight the more I get the train the more. Comfortable I get in an EMMY. Unlike others, you know, that will always have that duck, gene. They always go ahead. Doug, jane. Let me go out h money man in new promote on the scene. He's one forty though. I think I gotta fight for you wage woulda. Oh, I get you, you, right. You right you, right. They'll say you fight disrespectful spots. Your. Like a fish. Base. The day. Lenny money, money team. Hey yo was going on it show. Boy, H money Mr. zone. The box of two thousand nineteen rickety year and this, you know, I just got to talk about my father right now, this, this guy is amazing. And I got breaking news for everybody has accepted. The rematch Ness is fischel that fight was so entertaining. The people want to see it again. And you know me I'm the people's champ. We going to do it again for the people. I wanna thank Gill for accepting the rematch. I would like to compare that fights up so Arturo Gatti versus me. Oh, this is Julie. Hey calendar. What's my morning like Julie's about to have a long day? Ten purchase birthday card. Nine go five try cleaning. Did you just go backwards on sorry? I can't fit that question into your schedule. Nine fifteen cry for days that won't end. Let schwann's help with once you can get delicious meals, like, oh, from freezer to table in minutes, not hours ordered delivered done. That's homemade easy. Visit today schwann's dot com and here is one of the most popular pieces in the gallery. 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He gets more highlights than the rest of us that fight has more views than the rest. It wasn't an attentive. And I wanna give you, you know, I want to applaud you thank you in a strategically. It was a good move to go in the direction of the rematch instead of putting Jimmy in there with, you know, more experienced fighters. They call them out like crews and Lauren given jemmy the time to, you know, get really into his swag, and learn sport, a little more learned his craft and at the same time, raises profound build his popularity would fight that the public one h yes. Yes, nice Jimmy. He's so popular right now in chatman. He's definitely a fast favorite and I respect all the fighters in border wars, especially Eric crews, and you know, I don't know if the fight what happened potentially of Eric cruise Jim. But, you know, it'd be a great fight this. And they both got a great fan base. And this is we won't wait for these feisty to give bigger we don't build them up. And that's great. A great fighting with. We give man the people going to love it, and I just like to make the big fights for the people. And also I got to speak on Joseph Joseph Rodriguez. He said his brother wants to fight, Jim. My phone line has been jumping non stop right now. I got different calls coming in for Jim man. He's a big. He's a big time farther into just want to say. If I could be next. I think that's the next fight at one sixty five we gonna do it at a catchweight. So we don't make it happen at one sixty five. I got to line up for my fight already, and that's you. You say you want me to fight in this respect you so much that I will fight just for you. You know, just because you want me to do it. I will do it, but I'm trying to build my father's right now. I'm not is about the fighter in on promoting. So I'm not trying to outshine my fighters at all, and I'm looking for more fighters. You know what I mean? So any fighter trying to get they profile up. They want me to talk about them. I'm I'm happy to do it in, I'm not, I don't want any money or anything. I'd do this for the love of the sport for the love of TB. And this is TMZ promotions. You know, t- TV many, thanks, thanks for giving us a shot we Ness. We are TB CMG is TV in this promotional company. And that's what I'm trying to build my brand up with these man. I gotta think deeds for, for paving the way in making me believe myself, and that's in Mike. Forgiving me aside man is a lot of big has happened with Jim is a lot of big fights. And like I said the Mexican fan base, he got the look, he smartness, you know, this guy, he's dedicated to TB if anybody should be the phrase is to be June. I can't argue with a Mike. I can't argue with them. I mean he's making all the he saying all the right things check all the box is. They between crews and the big five big Bill. Like. Me the opportunity to look a little technically better in this rematch. Then people start thinking about that. Cruise fight. I like what age money is doing man. The man, they call Eddie Hearn the border was already already already. The the biking pipeline. Got wilder Ortiz of fear. He got US Vice it up already, so the shave the lion, king's a Siamese head on over the to the box, voice dot com. Forward slash Boorda wars and sign up champ. Let us know your weight level of experience. We need footage. All that good shit. We'll have plenty of conversations via FaceTime, Skype all that good stuff because we got a vet all our fighters, but shout out to Jimmy making smart move from free agent to getting promoted the does the talking form. I can't believe that h money stole the Gill fight from hope, like Jose is a big name, but somehow h money, convinced Gill, he needed redemption. Somehow, he convinced him that the rematch is bigger than Jose, and let's be honest. It is. Jose zor. He's a thing of the past. I mean his record is filled with yucca built. All right. No, no. He's faking is record spill. With. Inconsistencies and discrepancies. Controversial fights kicking the mouthpiece, you know, disqualifications I don't know what else to say now. Fake injuries this so much. So injuries dude, I'm feeling would think the mill said he got no MRI you're an athlete, you weren't athlete. Could you know of your achilles is ruptured without an era. I don't know. I never ruptured minds, according to people who have they don't understand how he knew without an Mariah definitely not ruptured. But maybe strained not. But yeah, he definitely go get checked out Gail in the chat. I ask for that fight yesterday. So Gil wanted to the, the rematch, and let's be clear. Hit Jimmy and. H money offered this to h money and age money. But offered it to Jimmy. Obviously Delaware is far too far to come train with us in New Jersey. But New Yorkers a lot coasting Gill has decided he wants to train with me and doom. Even if that's on Saturdays and Sundays only makes it better for me because Saturday's day that I already want to train. And sometimes it's a little bit difficult because of the border will show, etc. I got someone definitely day. I'm definitely going there. You know what I'm saying? So shout out to who's really going to take the rematch serious. And this is what I'm saying. This is what Boorda was about now. He's going to train harder just like JD who now has to train harder. Why? Because Boorda was makes you a believer. You can't just be sitting on the outside talking shit. Talk shit sign a fuck up. So we got Robert Boney talked to me going on. Robert, you just listening are come back to you. We're gonna go out to. Roberts there talk to me. Was h doing big thing. I love to hear it. I love to hear it now. Just wanted to say what's up by heard from you. I said, how do you since you've been back? So, you know, good looking, but man, I'm out here in this era Zona heat everyday training, and working. So get me on that September card. I'm I'm at about one eighty I'm sorry. One ninety five right now. So I go up or down. But I'm trying to get out there. I'm trying to get it done. You know what I'm saying? What's your height? I'm five eleven five eleven one ninety five. What's your level of experience? I like I told you before I did some sparring I had a lot of pro fighter friends. So I did a lot of training when I was when I was a kid. You know, I've been in I've been in. I mean, you've watched all the seasons of border wars, what sort of level fighter would you want as your first fight Anthony natty? Yeah. Do you want to Anthony? Or do you need a Santiago? You know, something something entry level. You know, a see where Matt. All right. What? No, because I know that Marvin the tank, who I like to call the duck wants to fight at one ninety five but he is experienced in the sense that he's had to border wars fights. Okay. Well, if that's all his level of experience, I, I mean, I've been I've been in. I've been in the ring with people, you know, of sparred with big spotted with pros when I was a kid. So I mean it's was a kid. As a kid. What's your age now? Margaret only twenty four by the way he's young gang. I'm thirty six thirty. I'm thirty six but I mean I'm talking you talking eighteen nineteen years ago when I used to spark, but four five years ago, but before years ago, I used to train I used to train out in Virginia just to stay healthy with a bunch of pro mixed martial arts guys middle study. Six two shutout thirty six euros is sir Midi Midi that boy, that was a bad boy. But I just want to get in there. I wanna go Marvin, I don't know because marvins goal if we believe marvins duck and ways he wants to lose weight. So for him, he's looking to get to one ninety five. So if you think you're talented. I mean he a day ago he didn't want bowl. They got us at heavyweight, so he was allegedly gonna not allegedly. He did sign to fi Gus. Just fought. So again, I don't know if. If he still wants that, that fight, you know, with someone who's truly at one ninety five. Well let me like the Ducky is, let's see what he takes chats or whatever it is. But you go up or down, so you can be a heavyweight, or you can be a one ninety five would be your fight. We wait. I can I can get as low as one eighty five I work out in the heat. So I switch. Without y'all. Listen at one eighty five you got way more fights at one eighty five you can fi- guys, like crews Jose's gonna need a fight now puts s. 'cause Gill is in gem, ninety that can fly critic jemmy, Jimmy, excuse me, crews Jose, those are the names of Vella boy at one eighty five now unless they've rematch each other. Now. And knowing Jose, he'll probably rematch cruise because, you know, better, the devil, you know, than the devil, you don't and you're the devil that he doesn't know just blew me just put me on that list. Let me know where you want me to be who wants to get at it, and I'm gonna be there this time either way I just had surgery on my wrist. So. Connects also. Well, hopefully, maybe maybe came could do it. He say he was one ninety five five ten how tall are you? You said five eleven and keeps ten and he's listening. He's from Florida Fleiss, the Florida New jersey and New York or super cheap. You could catch a one way for like eighty nine bucks. Sometimes listen, Robert. Let me get to some other callers, but happy to hear you. Sign up. I got someone in the chat says I'm signing up today after work heavyweight division. Oh, shit six three three fifteen. Oh, that's very that's a fight for Harvey. Big hobby, right? Did. Povey. No boxing experience. But them streets, though. I you. Where we all start it all started did man. You gotta have the heart for this shit. Man, I hope key keen, that sounds like a fight, but he did sound like you got a little bit experience came. I don't know. Let me go out to the chain, the people's chipped, uncrowned chimp, the belts in around in limbo, waiting to be held by this man. But, but, but I and Sal has to say about it, Anthony was was going on. Good. Good. What up man? You know. The first day they got to talk about. My man, give man that is what it is, is I better by life. Me and Mike. The him in the car and the about the crowd and the issue with oh, forty. Levers, a hard I could I could talk whether she was there. I had such a great. So for manashian. I'm in Michigan for working Sutin chilling man. Dan? What is I early on? Hold out of Doug and going on. I know that. Yeah, man, listen, man. Who would you like to see Cruz fight next since you just kinda threw yakuza such a nice guy is destroyed, but dog you destroy them. Yeah. I mean like I said, I was gonna come out as different fighter, bro. Like you see the dog a lot more patient picking my punches. And, you know, I I wanted to try to finish it. But man, I got hit in the second round. I played it off of here me fucking hard. So I was like, because I see over the screaming. Yeah. Yeah. She I'll care if you heard it nine hit with another one in Jonah rights, but crucially, I think they someone Jimmy Jim Jim jemmy signed the rematch, would give man. You know, that was the fight of the night in most people. Is. Good Terry, this isn't working. He's it because I still live in me. Is it because we mates be Scully wives. No. I like your friends is it it's the pirate talk Terry Yar everyone's caught up in the old bay efficient McDonald's. It's the taste locals craven are classic sandwich. Get two for five dollars either. Original or that old bay love. Yoho, price and participation may vary. Cannot be combined with combo meal. Limited time only single pricing. 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So the right Jimmy yielded, I read in ten. But. I don't know. Cruise go find that thing 'cause I thought he was shimmer Jimmy would have been a real good fight. Shun. Jimmy. He got a point age money. Got a point Cruz got a little bit of experience big fight, you know Cruz got a fan base. You know, he was once considered the people's chant. He's in everybody that the people put in front of them. So they think you know, the money team thinks that. They can make that a big fight. He might decide ways money, man, a real promoter should I work the world do Jay from Orlando. But man, hey, working Bearup. She's. Dave. Early. Putting it in. And look, he said, I don't want, I don't want. I just want my fight at a son. That's I'm like, Dan. He's saying, all of right thing, that's a real buddy. That's Eddie her right here. So h money, eighty her bag doesn't shut out the him that's going to be my new promoter. You know, saying that we gonna stampede around doing our ase sash it, you know. So I guess I guess I gotta put has on my do Sal later this year. If that's still Jose, which has he trying to ban, but I told him like she you a bitch, you can't get in unless you either a fight me or be meld them bellsa sell shit. I'll be glad to step aside of that happened. But outside. Hold on a minute. Hold on him. You keep saying that you seriously would rather. In let one ino- sow getting opportunity at all the girls. I would 'cause I know I feel to come out way somewhere, not your but, but you know what I'm saying, but at the time, you know, I was perfectly content with not try outs chilling, but, but, you know, I just wanna see somebody kick Jose at and I know he's not going to risk with me. 'cause, you know, knocking on the first one, you know, in the store, but, you know, Sal take time. Going out of work. I mean listen. You can't even you can't even at this point. Like we did see a different version of, you know, in the I, I complained that he gassed out, you know, his balance was off. He got knocked down. You're holding on Faye. You'd be the man. I I really be. A touch me. But maybe power, he got power yellow Joe types. I. Oh, Jose name, the border war could be unified. Only wanna be unified because he. He'd Ali one. Wars. Faye of legacy. Fake. Fury Brahim fucking. He ain't fucking. AJ. Wladimir. Klitschko AJ bladder McKay. Eric cruising, Anthony. Okay. Wladimir Klitschko, man. That was a that was fucking crews in Jose over. They he play with him three Randy. He played he he I'll ever Macau man. Don't don't even tell him he feary, but that's too much good. Telling me Oliver McCall against Lennox Lewis game cry. I'm just saying his plan. And, and the nature of the fight like the energy was like it wasn't as exciting as your fight. Yeah way. Yeah, you're right. Because I was in this corner and bitch didn't gonna talk about. He got a cute. I had an achilles actually ruptured mind before and you not like you get an MR e even if you think something wrong, I don't know what he's talking about some Canadians. We have to wait twelve months. Though is is reassurance is free assurance that he did post in the chat. You know, the screen shot from Google, saying the waiting lists and Tom, so maybe it is difficult over to on MRI. Let's our no, but it was just all bad. Yeah. Yeah, I know. And that's, that's what I'm trying to tell him people. Don't believe him. He's like, gave me is nobody could believe you when you always little boy to cries wolf in chat. Always. Oh, y'all sound real bitter. I thought he can't get that guilt by. That's the PBC fire. He on that, type ranks shit. Very, very poor man's growing at the fire. Rob Oni y'all Eric crews now. That was left for men that came out the second time cruise done knock him out the second time. I think that's happening. He he. But the, the cover that bigger hails they his thick as accusing help. Way, she might overtired. That's what he lives there. That, that that'll be that'll be the funniest right there. He joined retire undefeated, let me get to some callers, I. Joseph, what such it? What is having what has happening this? How are you just have to? I'm good. I'm good. Shutouts. F. O. G chat. Personally, I Jimmy Mack having, but not one sixty five minutes, Jamie last fight with that. Catchweight. Yeah. Man, you're going to have to build that listen, listen. Listen Joseph, you know what it is? You need to do a little better job promoting because Matt is as popular as Jimmy got mad, his Mexican and that was in the fight. Last board awards with Danny so the same buzz. Mac guy. Yeah. You do that. So but but right now. That's one of the wanna say about now. It's time to promote myself. It's time to promote the debut of the big superman. I've been waiting a long time to finally getting there to finally have finding Bischel and the time has come you know, we've been getting the way down. I'm not allowed to you right now. I'm not talking to me because I was always told, you know, don't talk to. You can back it up right now. You know, I'm not I'm not at my rhythm. I haven't been sparring kick all that in year. So you're gonna hear the top right into the receive a chimp out slightly going in and out speak right into the receiver. How that worse better? Hold on one one second. They're worse. Now's better. All right. So, you know, we're gonna get sparring going, and as, as time 'cause close, let me, let me say, one thing, and I love my brother's death Mahar my brother special, brother meant, but me and that cut from different cloths many famous, minimum same beasted. I am you know, I grew up competing playing sports and I grew and I was in a lot of fistfights growing up as a kid. Matt wasn't people that have messed with Matt around here because of me. So for those, please. We come out, and I'm not gonna feel this respected 'cause I wanted fungal, you know, but I trust you too. You know, you're matchmaking Santiago's, but also feel like no way I listen, I gave you, I gave you the option of presenting sparring and showing that you on the nuggets level. If you own the next level, you gotta do that quick, though, cause we match Megan. Yeah. No. Yeah. We gotta we gotta do that quick. But, you know, we'll take whatever comes our way. Hopefully everything goes plans. Take another fight after that come right back with the next two was. And I you know, I got to look at my Instagram, they nest in, I don't know if seeing I got a picture that Debbie oh, Bill. Mass on me man. And I think I think twenty twenty late twenty twenty I think, I think it might be time for you to get ready to retire in this. Well, I got the w. But if you go snag it up because his vacant we go unify. That sounds like a plan. That sounds like a plan. That's I think I think for me to make my name and take over the division. Let you retire with some dignity. Hey endless the big thing makes us coming. There's nothing that I would want than to lose to someone that actually got the balls to get in the ring at least Texas is showing the someone in that state got balls. You know what I mean? But I tell you this just don't Spar me before you fight me. Because all those that talked about beating me sparred me run from me after the Spar they rather not fighting found. Good. Let me tell you this. If this, if this border wars thing like the way we all hope is going to be gives vest, Rodriguez headline, my first big event, we're going to unify the division. Let's go Netflix. Hey that's my goal for next year. But listen, but don't put it all we're gonna we're gonna put it out there. You need you need to hang with cruise in mauve, and see if some of the Hugh rubs off on, on that side of Texas, over there, man, I don't know, I guess they build them different where you from. Let me see that too. Now man team, Texas. We come in the show. That's what I've been saying. We're gonna come and take New Jersey over. I think we have it looks like firefighters 'cause I got that guy from on, I put its let me actually how we look into go five. Now how far are you from crews in Marvin? Like four hours. Dan, that's going. I mean, I'm actually, I would I would win it actually headed that way. Yeah. I would definitely plan shit at least one time throughout the can't. Maybe since his eight week can't maybe two times throughout the camp once every four weeks, take our trip and really mix it up with some guys that are not going to hold back. That's my biggest Mondays recommendation to anybody. You know what I mean? When you spun, don't just fall, what your friends because your friends are going to hold back. See do me a whole bag on. I do me I had to take on your right. Like I said. I hate to do it because you know that way worked out. But we you know we had learnt we learned a lot from that. I fight. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But like I said me, and that, you know, he's not the killer that it's big bro, and you're gonna see by the end of this border was the real biggest border were stars. Live right here in playing. You live right here in Texas. They have matched. So get back to work fellas, but we'll see off soon. I would love for you to you know take the heavyweight division by storm. Because let me tell you Marvin the fight you before he'll fight me. So, you know, maybe you can knock him out the word the water and, and get that, that status, let me go out to info, Joe info. I even contact alexan- like you think you could do it again. And. He cannot because right now he's working extra hard. He just got a new spot. You know what I mean? So he got a new crib. And he just can't man Joe. But we gotta find you. Some odd thing, Joe is itching, Mike. I think info Joe wants to make his return. Portion of the stove. Call. Jail. Yeah. This is the oldest voted ward sham info, Joe in the building, y'all I'm thinking about making the comeback man find somebody around my age man. And if I got the shed, I'm gonna try to make it jersey y'all I wanna say this man, this was the best border wars out of all of them in the production, commentating the uniforms, the ring that Jim was perfect. I let me say this, the most improved out of, of the previous vote awards, spiders out had to give it to answer near Edwards, Cincinnati Cobra in Santiago the the, the one. Man out of all the new fighters out. Have to give it the doctor clunk. Oh man, I was shocked to see how good he was his very first time they want it now, we'll say Santiago versus MMA phone go. I called it a draw thought the they eight count was a little too much. I don't think Santiago was still in the fight our letter. See that rematch, mini, first of all power power rankings that got Midi. I got you nets. Number two. And I got Anthony number three Gill versus Jim. They need a rematch, my suggestion, the book you guys won the may run the mouse. Very entertaining fight Jaydee. I wanna see that rematch with Midi. I think that it will be it want to me. That was the best fight on the card man skill skill. This shit shit was bomb. They need a rematch our like. See, scientist, DR Congo rematch also at got money on fern gully against anybody. And who else? Oh, mike. And therefore, I thought that was a draw brother, I think you'll need to do that again. Shut out to both of you guys. I think this next Boorda was going to be titled redemption, because it's like three rematches. We got JD Midi rematch already signed sealed delivered we got the rematch between Jimmy and in castle hill. Gil signed sealed delivered. We got the remeasuring Mike NFO g sunshield delivered, and we had the rematch between Matt in data to old ladies best of summer sale now for the best summer styles at the best prices. Get two dollar flipflops four dollar tanks. Six dollar teas and eight dollar dresses insurance. For the whole family summer, styles are just two four six eight bucks. Two dollar flipflops four dollar tanks. Six dollar tease at eight dollar dress in shorts can't wait to wear it by online and pick up in store for free in soon at old navy and old navy dot com. Valid six ten to six eighteen excludes gift cards today, only and today only deals store clearance. Register lane items and jewelry this Saturday, only old navy's famous flipflops are one buck plus get free flipflops when you spend twenty dollars or more in store. Or online, Saturday only it'll maybe an old navy dot com. Valid six fifteen solid color. Only limit ten in stores, five. Online free offer valid before noon PS t from last board awards, and Texas on the limit. Except that Danny now is saying, if Cannella FAI happens in Vegas, he can't be because, you know, he doesn't wanna miss the Cannella fight. He wants to be out there. Which think about I think Anthony, I think he earned their right. Because the man he needs to take on the Canadian Jose, Jose. Jose doesn't have. Okay, vacated, Sal, and Anthony is signed sealed delivered for September for all the bills. Okay. Beautiful. Your fight man, Jose. Linda Hogan's Jose as champion in recess. That's what he is a marital status. He he gracefully bowed down on he's acting like a bit of a bitch. So we don't know if he doesn't live up to it. He won't get his shot at the winner of salad Anthony. But if he lives up to the if he lives up to the agreement that we had in place for Boorda wars five he supposed to step down male, the belts. The belts are on the line for the winner of sow and Anthony. And that winner faces Jose who was America status champion similar to Sergio Martinez whose job is. That's a barn burner me Anthony out. Hard to pick a winner with that one man show. Don't. Man, you maybe should think about coming in, because listen, if me and Mike fight it makes it hard to compensate. And I know everybody's liking the compensating, but from a production standpoint, either few things that I would like to be corrected, which means we need more manpower. And you know the fight game you know what I mean? So sands better and you've done it with us in LA, but I know that's pressure answer pressure. So if things work out if they can just remember, if you don't get a fight, you could always be part of the production, we could use you as a commentator. You could be a judge. Not so many things. A most definitely may shut out me all the work. You put in full awards, man. This one man was the most impressed with the whole overall in the fight to this was best man. But I think this next one Pfizer lineup is going be epic. Man. You'll most definitely man, I got to shut it and make it better make it out there man. Because I actually may I want to bring win needing appreciation night. Man. I miss New York City. I miss the east coast, shot out your maybe we could while since we doing this for Lewis of Cannella, maybe we could do while door tease appreciation. I if he does come to Buckley's, you know, 'cause I don't know maybe LA we could probably do LA. But we need we need a contact person in LA man. Yeah. Most happening, we do need that. Man. I wanna get all the TV. Oh man. That was epic night in why Joe is for me. Tell me if I'm a hey, to hit because a mauve and his is like in the chat, he's like all these rematches, but I'm the only one getting shift for rematch in Cantu. Did you feel that Marvin needed to rematch Cantu after the first fight? Yes. Oh, yes. Yes. Yes, I do. Yeah. I do. I do I do. I do I do this the year. The Cantu in the I remember that fight. That was a pretty good fight man. I, I would agree with that man rematch would be good for that, man. No, I ain't no, no. They had a rematch Joe Joe show in his age. They had remember they had the first fight in LA then they had the second fighting. Not you needed move on you, you need to move on. That was the conclusion right here. Yeah. More of a need to move on. So, so you wanna hit it latest mauve inside the fight. You want to at least five. Who Gus the bus Russell from North Carolina? The who I just fought. Good fight. Go fight good fight good fight. I like that fight. I like that fight. That's a good fight man. So you wanna hit a lady Ingrid deem itself. What's up? Member, Eddie, Robert Ortiz's boy. Yeah. He called out Marvin. He wants mauve, and he says that the Marvin fight makes them salivate, if Marvin doesn't wanna he'll fight crews if Cruz thinks he's too big he'll fight DR Congo. He's ready. I like that, too. Man. I like that. Eddie, Eddie Morgan is better fight, man. I like that. The walks. Dr these the fight man did he do do ger doing need to fight man. If he lifting we may come on. I know you brother, you need to take this fight, man. Find somebody man he leading leading the skills go away. We hope Eddie. We hope. And we hope and now that his best friend Eddie is, is signed up and ready to go. That's going to motivate him, bro. And I've been in the ring with the rockstar he's good. I mean, I think him and Anthony Edwards is like Anthony keep winning and rockstar can be as good as I think he is improve it. He and Edwards is a super fight like that's under the lights night, down matchup your date night. Anthony man. Anthony now. Go ahead. Now is gonna stay Anthony. Men was so I do it wasn't swinging while he was pacing man. Anthony has improved a lot. Man. I was real impressed on how he games that fight. But go ahead. I agree. I agree. I agree. Listen, we got our he'll on. So let me know if you wanna come back Joe, you know, you alumni, I'm gonna get to Canadian Jose, Mr. forgotten. Shaved pain. Vay chain Norway forty one. No way. Go. What up miss the forgotten? Hello. Hey, do you need me to fill you in? Or have you been listening because a low taking place? No soy broke. If you could bring me up to speed right now on Skype. So if it cuts out, please call me back, but, but I can hear you perfectly so go ahead. Let me know what's going on. Well, bringing you up to speed you've lost your fight with Gil, he's officially signed for the rematch, h money, somehow lowered lured him away from your fight and made us all believe that the rematch with Jimmy is much bigger. It was a fight of the year candidate. People did love it. It's one of the most watched fights and it makes sense Gill one in redemption. So they decided to go that way. So you are being frozen out, essentially, unless you do something crazy, which I dunno rematch. Eric cruise wiz available. I don't even know who could you would think. Well, this is this is what's going to is Mike on the light or not. Mike is not very stepped away from the microphone as well. Well, this is this is for oggi's like, like info that are listed. Everything else. Here's the honest to goodness truth guys, this is been an attack of on my character Nestor Gibbs been, my friend for eight nine years, every single event that ever anything of me has been needed. Be trophies beat awards be. It be anything you can think of man, I've always been there. No matter what never let the never let the brand down. Always warned the, the fucking jersey on my chest. Always I offered Canada for people to come in expended expenses, all covered. Everything, minus air was going to be taken care of. And then people say that he couldn't trust it. I was gonna follow through with my word man, that's salt. They didn't say they wanted you to go follow through with your previous agreement that you were going to send the belts Cape. And I told the guys listen, I'm not about to spend three hundred dollars ship in a bell when you guys come. It'll be here and then guy, the guy who's supposed to be my friend, the guy that's met my wife, my kids, my fucking family. I've been to his house. I didn't the same for him. Like Gill who supposed to be my boy says, who's as not trustworthy fuck you Gill. What Gil I wanted to teach that boy a lesson, I wanted to smack his fucking teeth out of his mouth, so that when he saw me and sees me going forward. He knew that. I was fucking daddy. He knew that I had to be respected as a fucking man. That's why called him out because I gotta teach kit a lesson and Gil is pussy fucking pussy, because he knows. I would fuck in hurt him. And that's what I wanted to do this fight. I wanted to fuck and hurt him. That's it. I wanted to teach him a fucking lesson on friendship, and he doesn't learn, he'll never learn because a guy like that will never. Learn man. So you know what? It's too bad. That's why he was personal for me. He doesn't want the fight. I don't blame them because I was gonna fucking hurt him. You know what? And that's what it comes down to man. So leave you now, though, Chan that leaves me this man, at least me, I'm the champ who's been fucking done wrong by applying for Meredith status, I'm champion for life. Get beat. I got I got I beat the guy that no one wanted to fight man, and what Anthony goes in and beats cruise what more convincingly than me, why. Because he gave them a shot. When crews wasn't looking when they're in the clinch, give me a break, man doesn't matter. He beat my leftovers. Wow. UP good for you. And then he made up all the AJ Vlad all over again. You're Tyson fury Vlad, he's AJ Vlad. Exactly man. No, differences, make man. Exactly. Then he goes in and he's gonna lose the thing is this my appetite to, to, to bring my stardom to the table is really is really starting to fade man. So you say duck in this border was because you because you don't find it. Very you watch crews criminals elible, Robert Boney said he'll sign up he's available. He's in your weight class. What you're scared up this people out there. The truth is this. I have like a very, very serious injury. Now. So again, so. You could only cherry pick if you can't get kill your out. Absolutely. I could beat Gil with a cast on point the point where. The point where making so since gills off the table. You're gone. I'll see man. I'll see what's for me. Why am I going to why am I gonna fight a guy? Why am I gonna rematch guy? Coming on two losses in your coming off an injury. Sounds like it makes sense to me, the thing is this man. I gotta fight a guy that, that either a is a total bum or be is like the classiest of all, Jensen, and maybe one of the same maybe maybe that classy Gent, and that in that bomb is Matt, bro. Going sound you sound like a true cherry picker. Hey man, you won't get one rematch that a guy you had a controversial win over coming off losses. If you tell me if you tell me right now, as a man, that was a close fight that you believe that Eric could one. Then then I'll tell you. I'm not a you know with Jose. I'm not the Endo Bill. I had I had energy is the same. But it doesn't mean that I am everybody public didn't believe that public did. Okay that here's the thing around. I, I don't know. I'm. To see how injury goes right now, it's been almost four weeks, and it's not gotten better, right? So I don't want to rupture my. You're rushing, the promotion and production of border wars, six to now, come today in front of the world and say that you don't even know if you can fight nor no I was saying I could one hundred percent fight Gill, because gills a cloud, so you share you saw hear what you're saying. You can cherry pick. Oh, yeah. You know what? Maybe my satisfaction is that is the world knowing that Gillers. The absolute worst fucking ever, buddy. He was in a fight of the year candidate and side of the real man. He was a cloud. He signed to read he signed a rematch that people want to see his gonna get his ass beat so bad by jemmy, Manitou, Larry. I wanted to be the what to humiliate him too bad. I wasn't. Has made an offer to fight you with collateral, you take her T's rubber teases pussy, man. He's that's why collateral are you taking it? Listen you know what you guys can see what you want. You can call me any. I am the biggest fucking predators of border wars. Man, I am whoever gets my fucking planet last, I checked Jimmy got better numbers than you fam-. Of course, check that everyone wants to jank last. I never I never met a Bolivia and champion. I met Mexican champions. Jimmy has a bigger fan base than you fam- last. I checked. You're only as good as your last fight your last fight. You sat out Jimmy was in the fight of the candidate. Fight of the year because his opponent was comical, bro. Come on. You say tomato. I say tomato gills training with jersey cruise Tom guilt, train, with, with, like his Seuss himself in that will make a difference man of easy for you to say that, now that you ain't got the fight while bro. That's why I'm disappointed. I'm disappointed in Gill, Matt. You don't be disappointed in Gilbey disappointed in. Isn't that what you go by because there's a new kid on the block core. TM G, and they took over. They took your fight. They took your fight you busy. I hear Lalli gagging playing champion emeritus status faking injuries. You've been losing fighters. You lost more in a Maserati now you lost all Ori match color is we go. Lauren is doing because you know what? How do. Geez. Knowing people that are down that are down that are going to be loyal that are gonna ride with me that need anything and you know what? I'm riding died. That's how I do man. I got my guys back no matter what and Lauren, I found out, he was he was fucking, you know, he was talking shit behind my back, so Laura. That is what's the status so you bring you come over here to get his ass kicked by law. I would love to fuck and do that. There you go. Man, what I'm gonna do this Boorda wars is I'm gonna fucking get people's asses kicked to Morin. He's on the list. Lauren is Friday night. Sunday brunch. Does not match her backs our backs Queen every cigarette can cut your life short. Find that hard to believe then Testa Abana from all this free life freedom to be to beco- free. Get to old babies best of summer sale now for the best summer styles at the best prices. Get two dollar flipflops four dollar tanks. Six dollars. Ts in eight dollar. Dresses insurance for the whole family summer styles, or just two four six eight bucks to dollar flops, four dollar tanks. Dollar tease at ain't dollar dress in shorts. Can't wait to wear it by online, pick up in store for free in soon at old navy and old navy dot com. Valid six ten to six eighteen excludes gift cards today, only in two day only deals store clearance, register lane items, and jewellery Seon, my topless man. I'm gonna bring down down. That's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna fucking pay from us. I'm. I'm Laurie manager as I told you right under your fucking nose. I soldier fighter. You're this guy even try to argue yesterday. I know Lawrence loyal to me. I'm like, all right. Chip next thing you know, he's cursing, Lauren out, somebody wants to bag and all this bullshit. I said he could keep it. But here's the thing because I didn't think Lauren was that guy. Man, I didn't think was the kind of guy to be a hypocrite and talk shit behind my back. But he was you sit on gyms and not get them fights the duty listen. He's signed to you for two Boorda was, and you got him zero fights would at gun is gonna come and teach Lauren a lesson, and then Lawrence going to realize how it innocent this. This. The best manage in the world if I could secure that hood come by the him that'll be beautiful. Have a good manager. You're just you're, you know what I'm being fucking spiteful dick, and I'm gonna hurt Laura and the beauty of this youth, think you're being spiteful and to me, and the border wars family. They're going to look at me as the best manager because I've been able to solidify fucking cherry Canadian by the name of Hoda com. Morin is gonna kill as a g guess what? The only be hold a gun is every cruise. So Lauren again, looks like a g sign Mia bre sign Mia yoyo I'm down for that. I'm gonna go and I'm gonna get to fight him. And that'd be a beautiful fight. It'll be a good fight more than anything to it'll be a high level fight. I, I think I think personally Angeles gonna make easy work of him. But I mean still a kid. He's not that strong yet. So I mean Lauren is learn definitely has some, some strengthen that fight. So it'll be a beautiful fight man for sure. But if if I were to bet than I am a betting man. I would absolutely one hundred percent. Take Angela one hundred percent hands stuff. Stop so promoters, bro, or you fighting. Yes. And no, you Chung. Well. Like I said, man, I you know what I thought you were I where's your options that, where's my what I thought you said you were in ace side where are your options? I have nothing. But options have many who's been calling me out. I'm considering Minia rentals. Listen champ. I don't know where where you've been at the mini signed, sealed delivered the JD rematch even on this call. They both solidified it again. The world is urban on without you who or what abortions. What about, you know what, I'll pick a cherry picking cherry bomb who out of at a Texas, whatever his name is who's Marvin fighting Marin already got a fight with Gus remember what about Matt then and he's got options, Marvin has the option to fi Robert Buni. One ninety five also Edi, Bala Grasser cold out Marvin, and Marvin took the Gus by so Marvin doesn't need you and Marvin Marvin. Always, you know, be a true warrior and try to step up and fight me for the Altima glory, so he doesn't need it. What else what about Matt? What about Matt Rodriguez in Texas Garcia's, Garcia, he yes Rodriguez Garcia's? He needs a fight because Danny is unsecured. Danny wants the rematch, but if Cannella fighting in Vegas, Dan, he's not gonna be in jersey or very go. I can I can fight Matt. That'll be perfect not onset. Are you? Are you saying that your option or are you saying you want me to solidify that fight for you? I'm saying put it out there man. Like if he wants it. I mean at this point man, you know what I I've been? Said fight. Because I, I got gotta secure these things. I told you Robert Ortiz, has asked me to try and get, you know, you know, you don't want or tease. I know you're ducking forever, or teases a bomb. He's not on my level. He brings in at least Matt's father borderers. I can't bring an entire fan base of seven fan base of fucking Loor tease verified on Twitter and Instagram. So what man so as fucking, you know, Mr. Rogers, who cares well Rogers brand. Yeah, it robbery to Harrison. Maxi pads brand to man. I'm not going to put that into my legs and bleed on him and fuck it. I don't care about Robert. He's a bum. I don't want that bum. So put Matt Garcia in there. If you want got nominated for fight of the year, you know, maybe maybe the cruise fight. I don't know. Man. I gotta see like a to be honest. I can fight a guy like Matt on one link. I can't find a guy like crews on one leg. You know what I may be era getting brash? But I'm not stupid. You know, I'm not gonna fighting Eric with, with a hobbled leg, but I can fight beat Matt with a hall of leg. No problem. You know. So I mean I got to consider that. So, so. Yeah, tell is the sign of page up because people are acting left and right. Have you finished? Who you're about finished? Yes. I have actually I just got a character. Can I screen share it or knows not lie? I'm at Safeway right now man. So I gotta go home, a laptop, and discredit publish it. But it's it's good. It's ready to go because people already to sign up. I got boxing therapy, ready. Sign up. I gotta heavyweight that is six three three hundred fifteen pounds, ready to sign up and listen to just want to say one last message to all the potential people that are going to sign up. Everyone wants to go just know. One thing all of you guys all of you guys. Roll you guys off in a big baller shit. None of you guys will ever fucking be as good as me. Just keep that in mind, not ever do that. But it has anyone that's all. And must submit footage. This is not a in the dark thing. That's, that's what you can deal with the they're just going to sign up. And then from there will will will go will you, you set the requirements that you need. I'm just saying just on based on sure entertainment. These guys will never be me man. Nobody will ever be me. That's just what it comes down to. I'm waiting, I'm waiting to see the next superstar emerge JD bomb many boring. You know cruise loser, you know, aunt leftover eater. You know, all these guys, Sal fucking disappeared. You know, all you guys bums Nestor cherry picker, you know what I mean. So there's nothing they're out there man. It's me. It's local. You know, that's what it is baby. Anyway. Let you. Let you get back to your thing, baby. I'm just gonna buy a couple of groceries here that I'll go home at all that page goes life. All right. All right. Well, there you have it met in Joseph, we might have found through fight info. Would you think man what you think about what's going on? Hey man, I think we've been a little larger on day man. Let me take these off my bed. Hey, we've seen fighters get hurt man, and Jose. He, he needs a comeback fight man. You know we all heard about five just being hurt before, man. And we need to cut a little Jose. Little slack, man. He's been down with board awards from day one. I don't like him. He sitting beat speed down to the bottom of the barrel, though in finding new because he has been doing this before, but he knows somebody mid range. He needs to come back fight. You know, I wouldn't even mind seeing him in Marvin, you know what I'm saying or him in? Yes, I don't think it was a ones that Marvin fight. Why are you so low? You hear me now. No, I hear you job. Oh, my mind was gone. Yeah, I'm listening. But yeah. You know, you know, you know Anthony remember he had an injury to and he was, you know, he had to make a comeback fight too. So, you know, I might cut Jose some slack, though. But he does need to fight, you know, to restore his name I will say that. But it's looking good man. I'm looking forward to this man. I'm going try to save my money man. Make it out there. The jersey man. Early. I, I wanna come your hometown, man. The work come out here, most definitely. Oh, we're gonna have we're gonna have a great time. We're going to do some dinners. We wanna ask some schmo, causses gonna be great. Most definitely. But if it happens to be in their late man started growing, again man, we had a good, but I got some good cushioned some good indoor growing right now. Listen. I think I'll see. I think I've seen JP and a chat saying that he would be the LA contact. Like, that's the reason we don't consider leg. We don't got a person that could solidify gem make sure that everything's good. 'cause you know how you see how it was last time he was in LA showed up with thirty forty people that gym owner owners I now head. So, you know, we don't have to work on to is well man 'cause I had to fight. I couldn't concentrate on that, that he a LA. So we give me enough time. I can search around I found actually I'm finding my son up to a box hand and I'm looking for a gym for him too. So I'm going to be out looking for some. For sure. For sure. Well info, man once again, wanna, thank you for calling in, and participating and board awards appreciation ice and all that good shit. Man wanna thank everybody tuned in this was another border Wars Episode bought awards. Sign up page, we'll be live today at border wars, excuse me at the boxing dot com forward slash board awards, once Jose gets back shot out the DJ and a chat Jimmy, h money notorious. J. P. ADB AD. JD who else up in Dr more phone go or fungal, Dan? What's left from a fungal now phone kids? Oh, yeah. Because Marvin ain't take the Eddie Feis on fungal, Eddie fight, and we're gonna have a big ass card here, man. He's going to be nice dice, man. That's some fights. I gotta write that down. And a lot of fades. A lot of fights. I let me see off top. We got should be made event. Sal versus an. And then you fighting. So you could be Komen event, I'm, I'm gonna start off again, so I can come into is. So you got. I mean, we say no odor. But just remember if you you versus. F. O. G Midi, JD, and Midi, J D. That's Jimmy, Jimmy Jimmy, Jimmy Gill four Jose Matt five. What else we got? Joseph Josefa in Joseph, Santiago, six more. Versus bala. They get our seven Marvin versus gusts. Eight. I got an opponent. Every let you want from me, ain't my. So is my day sign-up. They gotta sign up at the page. Come out six three three fifteen. Who? You know what's funny? I'm like, wow. The I I'm twenty five fights and I give respect because I'm the only do that keeps fighting undefeated fighters like and I mean, I don't mean that undefeated. I mean like unknown is the word I should've used because. Jose for Enrica. He. So he was unknown the first time. But then he rematched him then he fall cruise. We seen already fight gung, you know, and spa numerous people Marvin against same thing for cancer, the first time it was new. But then he rematched him now. He's about the fight Gus also knows. Media's like me he fought. Dumi Dinnie, four JD below ninety by the fight someone again, familiar in rematch with JD. Cruise same thing. Hold a gun. He fought three people. He for four people four fights. He got he for. Hooda gung Zach Jose and recre- and no not every day and Anthony. So he's like me, but. Four hundred gung unknown, then he seen Jose fight, because he seen Jose have two fights Enrica. So he's not like me. Nobody's done that I'm just starting nobody's done that, like so again, I get the three fifteen. They'll just like I get Harvey, if he ever size up. 'cause nobody nobody's gonna nobody's going to take on the due date on 'cause they pussy. I'm just not. Yeah, I don't know about the guy right here. He just been duct duct. And but yet man, y'all catch us late on the night for the flag. Put no pressure wise, Marvin fighting heavyweight, not name, this title marvel bath. And again. Oh, he five five. You you've ever foot on the energy to be the same man. They duck so so so AJ. Have a foot and a half. He's eighteen to say, no, I'm saying you either you either good. Or you not. I feel I feel I feel good or you not man. Like eight fame, these chat shit, and I fly around and shut they mouth, that's you went. You went AJ the same height. But Marvin nowhere near the height of Hindu. Now, Marvan EMMY or closer to hide than any reason ages, Sameera either. Fame. Hey, no AJ like six seven. No check it out. Let me look it up. Crazy. Really? Hell no man, standing next time, he waits on me, bro. Like out here which we which of them. Got great pasta. Yell. Somebody called other show say he was fabricated in the lab. He said laboratory. Crazy. AJ six six on bikes rate, you right here. But yeah, man. Not going to be a great car man. A lot of fights lot of lot of thing. I think. Number seven and they're not all still some people. They crews still ain't gotta fight got up to. Oh. There's going to be a lot. It's going to be big. This was going to be big. 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15 in 60 Mailbag! (Eastern Conference 1.9.19)

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15 in 60 Mailbag! (Eastern Conference 1.9.19)

"Good evening prerecording this one since Danny. And I will be at warriors Knicks as you listen to this or will be over because you're listening to it probably tomorrow as it's released. I should say, man. I really am not good at intros. It's a good thing. I don't have like a boss who tells me the way to start the show, but I we could just get right into our fifteen sixty Eastern Conference bag with the Atlanta Hawks. The hawks are twelve and twenty seven a strong five and four since the last fifteen in sixty including a win on Sunday in ugly ugly game against the Miami Heat, but they want it. They have the twenty ninth best net rating at negative ten twenty ninth offense twenty-seven defense fivethirtyeight projects them to win twenty four games which would actually put them twelfth in the Eastern Conference, and they're not making laughs. Oh, man. What's I guess? We'll get to the rest of the east. I mean, the there's three teams worse than them is pretty remarkable. Although I thought they'd be the second worst Huma basketball thought the kings would be the worst that was not GRA. So let's. Start here. We're going to try to be a little more strict and actually stick to the timer. This time. I always forget to set it on some of these. We'll start here with Mike survive dope. Since playing thirty minutes for the first time Kevin hurt. Her is averaging twelve points a game from last week these stats through nine percent from three on six game. How's this church impacted how you think about his future? Long-term I like her. I think that he has I'd be beyond the whole crazy turnover staff that you had on his pick and rolls and stuff. You know? I think some of those things will iron themselves out, but he's more capable with the baldness hands than I expected and the oh his shooting is is legit. You know, I'm not sure if he's gonna be like a like, a high amid forties shoot or anything like that. But you know, if you can be in the high thirty s maybe low forties on a decent volume that that is encouraging. I distinctly do not love him defensively so far and that is a concern. But more of a concern if the hawks become a whole lot better than they are right now. So I my instinct right now is that herders kind of on that starter hot capable reserve line. You know, that's where he's going. He's gonna get. But remember that positional scarcity at the two in particular is stark right now. I mean, there there really isn't much going on there. So capability is extremely valuable and that might be where her ends up. I I'm not I don't have a firm field on it yet. But even if that's where it is. That's a pretty good thing for the hawks considering where he was chosen that's important to remember. I mean he and trae young were drafted together. This oil. We got our backward of the future now because we got this guy at the nineteen th pick. I mean, he's shown NBA skills. I mean, that's a good start for a guy with the nineteenth pick. And I said this during the Pacers game that they're just not many guys in the league. I would rather have shooting a wide open three pointer than him. Even at this point in time. He's got a very very smooth, stroke ado wonder a little bit about the versatility of that jump shot. His ability to get open coming off screens because he is going to have defensive limitations Scott decent size. But it doesn't seem like the toughest guy at this point in time. Maybe you can get stronger, you know, he wouldn't be the the first freshman and just get or I got drafted. After his freshman year to get run over. But I I would like to see so it's more for him defensively. I'm just not sure that it's there is seems to have very stiff hips a lot of difficulty getting into a stance and moving his feet, and that's on a lateral. This offense leader, I think in a straight line. He could be a solid athlete. He's got surprising rise at the rim, especially a off a two feet as we can either rise up in the lane for floaters or get all the way to the basket and make some acrobatic finishes. I'm not sure again, what the versatility of that is because he's not as good to me as a one foot athlete has. He is a two foot athlete that. So the shooting potential is there. Surpassing potential is there. I'm not sure how shifty is left right off the dribble. See him being very effective in isolation. I don't see him despite his height being that straw. Just go post guys up. So I think the defense and then his ability to really not only make open three pointers, but to shoot on the move really have that ca- JJ Rettig type of gravity where team? Now really have to account for you coming off a DA. Joe's coming off screens. Those are going to be the swing skills for him next one here, Chris guests asked you think John Collins is deserving of all-star buzz. I'm going to say no his defense. The last few hawks games that I have watched has been really bad. They'd be playing more centered. I liked that just as an experiment Anka's. They've been so bad offensively. A probably won't see that as much with deadman and Len healthy now. But I think it's looked OK enough. I have to go back and look at the numbers with him at center, maybe I can do that. While you're talking. But it's the defense has been really bad. I mean as a help defender, you know, there's a bunch of times in that Pacers game, for example, where he's guarding Thad young on the baseline of the dunker spot in guys go right to just never moves. You know, he just does not have the help instinct. And then when he's there, and he's not the biggest wingspan guy. So just I don't see him being a plus defender. And of course, I at the big positions as a problem. So I think and then shooting the ball. He hasn't been that good either. I think he's been below. Thirty percent on threes this year, at least was the last time. I checked a little bit ago. So yeah, he is that actually just creeped over thirty percent sixteen fifty three. So I'm not sure that he is even necessarily a starter on a good team to be honest me putting up the points and rebounds. But I'm I'm not sure that I see it there because I think he's just going to be kind of one of these offense heavy backup centers, you know, the kind of Dallas five Dwight politics role may be better than that offensively. But on a good team. And especially also if you got trae young and Kevin hurt or on your team as well have playing him at either of the four of the five is just hard to see how you're going to defense unless he just makes massive improvements in his field. And as you talked about the entry eight, and that's not something that happens as often. And I'm guessing where this is coming from is that Collins does have a really good PR for this year. He's about twenty one that is eleventh among what what ESPN as power forwards, and that's pretty damn strong and Collins is exactly the type of guy that P E R. You know, I'm not criticizing. Instead, it's just you know, every state has its strengths and weaknesses the type of guy that drove rates one because he's bad defensively. And so that's doesn't get covered. PR's not meant to be necessarily an all one stat. It doesn't cover that in. Because Collins is a good rebounder NPR, really like skies as RPM does as well likes guys. That are good rebounders in Collins. You know, he's not in the the ridiculous rarified air of some of the absolute best in the league. But he's he's very good for his position. And so that really does help too. But yet the defensive limitations are there. It's not really spacing the foreign if so I I'm intrigued by gallons. I'm not going to say I like him as a starter. I'm kind of on board with you where he's going to maybe be on that border line, but all-star consideration. When you think about like is like Blake Griffin who's having a great year and Janas, and there just aren't that many spots. I remember there only twelve guys on the all star team. And if we're getting into the mix of guys that are smaller pieces of teams pass calcium is having a way way better than your John Collins, like there's no credible way. There's no credible way to put John Collins guys like Siachen, she you know, there's. There's a chance he ends up making the team. But if you're not even close to those two guys that are not going close to being a starter. Then you're not going to be our lightning round. Here. We've got about two minutes left a yuppie with the most realistic or best team Germany link can get traded to shutout Timmy's been a baby the biggest Jeremy Lin stat on my time line. But a good guy a for quite some time era recognize him. But who do you think Danny you took a look at this briefly? Well, so I think Lynn makes the most sense going to a plant caliber team just because there's more value added there and the big question is going to be whether Atlanta's willing to take money back that would really open up Miami is an interesting destination because he could fill in while drug itches out play play him. And then, you know, maybe west but also separate from Justice Winslow. We'll talk about that later New Orleans could really just use him. Even though they got offered Peyton back. Memphis now that the MAC is kind of buried in the rotation, but it's hard because German is making enough money that this has to be a more complicated deal. And so those are the teams that I'll be thinking about maybe you could even consider something with Philly if they're not enamored with teaching MacOS fit with their other guys. But I don't think Philly's going to be in them. So I would lean more towards, you know, Miami New Orleans Memphis, and then if he gets bought out there a lot of teams that opens up because then the money partisan a concert, by the way quickly here. John Collins at center hawks of a negative thirteen point four net rating and only negative six point six with him. What's their defensive rating? It is one thirteen point two. But the interesting thing is that they're still terrible on offense at ninety nine point eight a so it's actually interesting their offense. That's not good offense is relatively worth worse than the defense. But they might have been dragged down by some poor shooting there. Forty seven percent eat field goal and some injuries. I mean touring prince not being around. And if you things like that. Yes, that's true. And they're so thin at power for it. When they moved their only decent offense apar- for a dissenter. It can look pretty ugly. I think we are sadly out of time here for the Atlanta Hawks. Actually, another is one more. I wanted to hit very briefly house. Trae young look getting to the basket s Toby Detmar that's fallen off a bit since early in the year. I think he he's gotten a shot blocked so many times he what shooting very nice presented at the rim. That's gone down. I think the biggest thing he needs to improve is his left hand. He's just not really comfortable shooting on the move with that left hand. And he's got to get those like hook shots. Those flips with the left the way Steph curry does a is even smaller than couriers to really start being affected there and going to his writings more, effective, certainly, but still, you know, is kind of more having a national to the basket. We haven't seen him a be as active as the rim it as early in the season. So he's got a little bit of work to do there. But finishing at the rim is one of the skills that most improves over a small players crew. Let's turn to the Boston Celtics Lois. All right now. That's what I was going to do. So the Celtics are twenty four and fifteen six and force in the last fifteen and sixty day our second in the league net rating and plus six point five ten offense. Strong third and. Offense and five thirty projects to fifty four games which would be third in the Eastern Conference. And they're going to be playoffs. Do you know that and the question I wanted to start with and I'd be interested in your answer. I have one, of course, myself is from neat. Wolf will Boston continue to start Marcus Morris? Marcus smart in the playoffs. Ho, that's a tough call in. They're playing pretty well. Right now of the when they've had everyone healthy they've had a couple nice blowout wins at home recently. And I think they probably will I've made the point that with Hayward with Jalen Brown debt to be in fury is the best version of the, but Marcus Morris has shooting it so well, and he's actually a little bit lower usage than Brandon Hayward of the we've kinda complained about his usage being little too high. But alad he's making everything that he puts up there. You don't complain about that as much as smart gives them a little bit more hard nosed toughness. He's brought his usage rate down as well. Kyri clearly has been the most efficient offensive player. So having those. Guys in the starting lineup. Allows them to bump up Carey's usage. A little bit more rather than giving more shots to Bronner Hayward. And making it more gal -tarian on that first union. They've propped up the second unit as well. In Hayward, obviously has been so inconsistent this year. So I do think maybe we'll reach a point if they get down in a series where Marcus smart isn't being guarded that they have to switch approaches a little bit. But KAI read the way he plays. He's in some ways a little bit more Munin from teams loading towards him because he just fakes a guy out in and shoots a jumper in a situation like before anyone would necessarily be helping and I don't think teams are going to just do. The James harden like the nuggets engines unless I just throw a double team Adam without a screen, necessarily even being set. So there my instinct is they're going to stick with it because it's been working and part of that has been the schedule looking little bit better part of it has been Brown. Who's also been playing a lot better recently and Hayward looking better in their roles. I would wanna try those guys maybe. In the starting lineup it again because they are actually playing better now. I mean like, yeah, they're playing like ship before. That's why that didn't work as well. As all those guys in the starting lineup, maybe not necessarily that the concept itself was flawed, and you can still go ahead and segr- think it's Bordj sting who's going to close the game certainly against philli. I like smart more because he's just maybe the best match up in the league for JJ Redick and June Brown is usually struggled to chase him around a little bit. So I I'm not sure, but my instinct is probably going to stay the same. And then if they get down a playoff series. Maybe they'll switch it up. It's nice that they have options and we're about halfway through the season. So if the season were to end today, I would absolutely say, yes. And there's plenty reason but the ebbs and flows will maybe push it. I would say to me. Jalen Brown is more interesting as a as a starter than Hayward. Just because I can see words role with the second unit a little bit were clearly Brown has done well, obviously. But like, I we've already seen round fit in in the co system that is some I disagree actually going for live. I disagree because I think Hayward. The thing that they're missing on that first unit to me is passing SEO smarts assault passer. But I think Hayward fits in better. Now. I thought my thought is actually Jalen Jalen for Morris is the way that I'm thinking about this. But obviously Moore's is playing way better than Jalen overall over the last let's say month and a half. So I'm fine with it either way. But yeah, I I think you're right about closing lineups. And it could be matchup dependent. Stevens is obviously done that in the past. I grew Marcus smart should definitely play heavy minutes against the Sixers because you can take Rettig away. And we've seen what happens to the it'll be different with Jimmy now little bit. But we've seen what happens to the Sixers offense. When JJ Rettig is not a regular part of it. It usually does fight line a little bit. And smart. I I'm not sure he's gonna end up shooting thirty five percent on threes for the rest of the Sienese fifty one shooting like that or be percents keeps shooting is. Yeah. Because he's an awesome defender and confinment really well with what they're doing a question that I wanted to get to we don't have to spend a ton of time on from Alex Janetta asked what the Celtics could get for Terry Rozier rosier is in. I mean, he said such a such a weird situation because this is his eight this is. Not as h twenty five season. But he turns age twenty five during the season, and he's about to hit restricted free agency. So you're getting you know, a pretty solid amount of him on that next contract match rights are very valuable with him. Even though this is going to be a flush year, but my big concern in this has been true for me. I've been a skeptic to resume for awhile is can he create reliable offense? And if he can't as good as Terry Rozier is at a lot of the other parts of basketball. You know, he's a wonderful rebounder an active defender capable shooter at times, especially if he's off ball. I don't think that player is super valuable. I if you don't believe as I don't believe that he can do that in a big number for that. So yeah, Boston has a one oh four offense of radiance, MS. And that's not great. But when you take out the he's playing with Cairo when obviously careers running the show, primarily the Celtics have a one a one one offensive rating and that seventh percentile in the entire league. So the sales pitch to other teams has to be that he'll do better with them. And you know, maybe he will. But a team like or. Orlando or Phoenix, let's say Phoenix's ideas that Rozier is going to be a complementary piece. Devon Booker kind know playing off ball little bit. But facing the other teams point guards. I don't know that there are falling off their chairs to to do that to then into properly paying him or close to it next summer to reserves, career-high and assistance come this year. It's four point four thirty six minutes that is really bad now blades minutes with Hayward has it had fallen as much. But even when they've needed him to have the ball hands where he's played played with smart in previous years of smart. Maybe had the ball hands Moore's wall. But reserves never been a great finisher at the rim. He's never been a guy who's able to get into lane and really distribute not a great picket role operator is career high intruding his fifty two percent. He's got a forty nine percent grease at age twenty four the season. So I could see and his one offense a skill. That's been pretty good for him has been shooting the three. But even that, you know, he was thirty eight percent last. Year down to thirty five percent. This year. Any wasn't great before that career thirty six percent three pointer, you imagined that will get a little better, obviously as he gets older. So I see him really as kind of a smaller version of what George hill was earlier crew George head a couple years late that year in Utah when he was healthy. And then the year that Paul George was hurt in Indiana, where he had showed some more pick and roll ability at and result as guys, but I see Terry is kind of a smaller version of that player doesn't have quite as much size to check larger players as hill does. So or did it earlier in his career? So that's to me is very low end starter potentially as a solid defender. But maybe not as much size to switch a zoo might like for that type of player. So yeah, I mean, I think the Phoenix fit is decent the Orlando fit to me, maybe not is not as good, you know, that that's one of a potential destination there because they really need on ball pick and roll creator are those minutes, but let's. Do a real quick lightning round. Here has Al Horford slipped as Eric clearly this year. I mean, the stats are very clear about that. That knee tendinitis also is age hasn't shot his wall that glow pointed out that he hasn't been moving quite as well defensively. So the question is just by the playoffs. Can he get back to where he was he had his best playoffs last year that you would imagine that he's going to be at least somewhat worse than it was in the playoffs a year ago. And then what do you predict will be the crunch time lineup at the end of the season. I think it's gonna be very fluid as we talked about it in the question about the starters are those kits. The nets here, I'm happy. We don't have to do the Celtics nets transition anymore. Talking about that trade. Now that the obligation is expired. Nets are twenty and twenty two six and four since the last fifteen and sixty though they did lose to the Celtics on Monday their net rating is negative zero point nine which is twentieth in the league fourteenth and offense twenty-second and defense fivethirtyeight projects them to win thirty seven games which ties them for the seat, which is amazing. It gives them sixty two. Percent chance of making the playoffs with that, you know, six and four stretch over there last it'd be been testing I'm really rooting for them over to Detroit and Charlotte and Miami, they're they're also the most watchable team at the bottom of the eastern at the bottom of the Eastern Conference playoff extra Charlotte. I heartily enjoy Charlotte actually because they've kind of been the same team for a while. Maybe underrate their watch ability Campos, pretty good. They spread the floor little bit which defense. But. Yeah. So where do you want to start with the net? I think we start the question from Cranston basketball, which is what are your opinions on kooks? And what kind of upside does he have I like horrific? So every once in a while with European players who come in, you get this kind of quite especially when you watch crews play like, I think he's more more capable than most guys who come into the league and say, oh, you know, maybe while he's twenty two or twenty three that happens. No, this is a twenty season like hooks is a normal age of an NBA rookie, and he fits in really well offensively with what the nets. Wanna do because he's capable and comfortable taking all of his shots, you know, kind of the Maury ball ideal. So eighty one percent of the shots. This season are at the rim or from three and making sixty six percent from the basket, which like clean, the glass has that you know, because if you a subscriber there, they sort it by positions, and he's classified as a big. So sixty six percent doesn't look good. But for me, I think of Kubrick's is the forward, and that's fine. You know, I'm good with that number, and you know, efficient player overall weird thing with him. And I also I like them defensively like and not a huge, plus, but but cable, and again, we're talking about a twenty year old if you'll bettering some functionality on that, and that's a little bit of moving his unexpected, given his just his physical profile. I don't think he's going to be a huge plus, but if he ends up being a, you know, even a neutral or a slight positive. That's that's great. I mean, I think you're totally cool with that. And one thing that's really weird. And this is something I'd like to dig into its point is when I was looking through center. Stuff creeks has been really inefficient as a transition score. And I guess technically as a transition passer he doesn't do a ton of that. And I just need to see what that is member last year. I did this dig on Aaron Gordon just found out. He was taking too many bad shots. But were you know, halfway into a season where he didn't play a ton at the beginning. So it might just be simple noise. Something like that. So generally, I like him I think that he can fit in well and with forwards the supply so low and the demand is so high that I think Rick's could fit in a guy who if you need him to start like this like the nets have dealt with with their injuries. He can do that. He's a better fit on your bench. That's only to crooks. It looks like he's been pretty inefficient as the ball handler in transition of has six turnovers in twenty possessions, which hasn't helped much and then as a wing guy, he's he's mostly been a spotting up for threes a little bit more. So I'm he's the guy really would like to watch more of as the season goes on. We're going to see a fair amount of him in some ways that he's been better than. Mark Carroll who is has decent offense of games lately. But hasn't shotted as well this season and also looking really creaky defensively in that bulls game just in terms of getting getting loose balls and staying in front of guys, please this is the last year that contract that people always thought would be bad and the ended up getting traded as a bad contract a couple years ago, but lived up to it maybe last year this year coming off that ankle issue has not looked as sprite that. So I think correct because it's not even so much laterally. I wanna see him which way you can put on me is painfully thin at this point in time. And so that I think is good Termine a lot here if he can be strong enough to really hold up in the post against some bigger players, or on switches like that's going to be a big part of it for me because I think he could be a very effective and officiant off ball player offensively. Whether it's shooting the ball, opportunistic, drives to the basket. I don't think he's going to be posting up running a pick and roll doing much in terms on ball. You know, if he could be maybe a pick and pop guy as well. They can use maybe somewhat similar to the way they use Joe Harris when Harris is playing at a larger position. But I mean, yes. So I if you want to say how he's being used this year. He's actually got fifteen 'isolation and he's at one point eight boys per possession that an isolated. So maybe not giving him enough credit there as you go back and watch those and hasn't posted up. He's posted up one time this year and run four pick and rolls as the ball. But that that isos stuff is a little bit interesting. Then that's us. Some more guys who could do something with the ball in their hands a even just against mismatches because all their creation is concentrated on the perimeter right now a question I liked from drew Davis. How many of the current nets are on the next next? Good nets team and all to find that as Edo that could host a playoff series or credibly win one. You know? So this year's team probably doesn't qualify. But you know, they couldn't feature year. And so this is a pretty young nets team. I mean Cook's is. Age twenty season. Jared Allen, of course, as h twenty season Kerr sliver who it's amazing that they've done as well as they have. I thought delivered injury was just going to submarine their season. It hasn't used. This is age twenty four season. I expect him to be around for while Dinwoodie twenty five. And then then you have the guys who it's like they're young enough to be a part of it. But you don't know it because of their pending free agency, Rhonda, Hollis, Jefferson and de ngelo Russell, my instinct is at the first guys I named will be there that this'll be like two years from now. And then I'm less certain on the Angelo on run to house. Jeff, what is the Russell ceiling? If he doesn't improve his finishing at the rim or -bility to get to the line. What are the recent guards have succeeded with these flaws as a Derm blitz? And Russell it's so interesting for him goes hill have games where he looks really good. I mean that bulls game. He absolutely dominated. He was killing the bulls in pick and roll. And also just draining all sorts of threes when they tried to go under I can add to his flaws just I mean people have talked about him getting better defensively this year. And maybe that's true. Limited extent, but he's just such a wallflower a noodle defensively against any kind of a larger player. He just deactivates kinda stands there. Does the hands up just kinda let himself get knocked backwards out of the play just doesn't even show any kind of fight where there's other guys with his physical profile who are able to actually just at least keep trying and and stay in the play instead of just all right? You know, I tried. I got knocked out of the way. And I'm just going to let that happen to me. So he just doesn't have the toughness defensively. So I'm trying to I mean, succeeded is interesting, right? I mean, if you're talking about an offensive point guard at Dickey's reasonably solid there. But switching on him. You know, he's not able to beat that at all. That's a that's a problem even against like pretty middling switched defenders. I don't know. Can you think of a cop for him? I it's hard to think of a lot of guys who are just that slow yet that skilled from three. I mean, we've been in this era where you're just allowed to bomb threes only for about ten years or so. Now. So, but even so Steve Nash was a far better athlete and far better finisher than Russell is despite Russell's superior size and length of yell try. I'll try and think about anybody come to mind for you. I I'm not saying this isn't good comp. But the first guy I thought of was Patty mills or I'm like, okay. You know, not a great athlete doesn't get too. I don't think he gets to the rim off the top of my head. But he's a backup backup one in the league. So yeah, that might be the worst compu- strange profile. But but breath that speaks to the. Yeah. That's what I'm saying that I'm like guide. That's not a great athlete can shoot threes. And can actually like play in the league. Like, that's yeah. So I mean, but I think he's I think having him on a team also with liver and Dinwiddie that now, you know, as that as a three guard attack. And then maybe if it's a team that's not as conducive to Russell's stylings that doesn't play conventional pickerel defense at the end of games. You can take him out at the end and go with liberty and Dinwiddie instead guys who have a little bit more ability to score one on one than Russell does. But it's just kind of like a slow. I mean, he's in some ways he's kind of like a point. But Joe Johnson wasn't the passer and pick and roll guy that Russell is these calico point guard version of that just very slow guests to a spot later crew. Joe Johnson particular likes to shoot over guys. But yeah, I I don't really have a great comfort him. And that's usually not the greatest I were talking about someone. Long-term Russell getting these taking strides forward at every year. And we're talking about this yesterday. It's be interesting to think of it's quite possible that he becomes the best of those three guys in a row that the Lakers drafted at number two quite possibly becomes the worst too much to be written about all three of those guys. Still do you see the nets being buyers at the deadline? I think I could see them giving. I don't see them giving up a first, but I could see them giving up maybe a second or two, you know, socially. If it's looking like, they're going to be decent here. He is also interesting me if they make the playoffs to talk about them potentially being a team that can get into the free agent derby. I mean, there's talk about K D Wina go to the Knicks. I if you really want to be a New York nets might be a better one though the Knicks. I I'm guessing all those rumors there are more for kind of personal reasons perhaps than just a basketball reasons. What interests we'll deal get in free agency thing. Sorry, one quick thing. Dimension for them as as a buyer is that the nets have the Knicks second round pick. And that could be like a good enough asset to actually intrigue somebody, but not just like a huge part of Brooklyn's future. So maybe that's the type of thing that they could use to get somebody who could up. Yeah. And maybe they could really use a guy who couldn't defend a little bit better. I don't see them getting someone in the back Gordon mean between the avert if he can come back in witty and Russell they're probably set for back court creators, but either somebody who can do a little bit of isolation work from the wing would be useful or a real legit three and d guy. I mean, those elite guys are probably not be available at the price. They're willing to pay. But at least someone who is an above average defender and could hit it through. They really don't have that player at this point in time. And their defense to me is is the biggest concern. All right. That's good for the nets. Let's move to the nineteen and twenty Charlotte Hornets five and five since last fifteen and sixty they squeaked out a win over the mostly. Devon Booker lists sons on. Sunday in their last game before this one point three net rating is fifteenth in the NBA as you hilariously noted. They are no longer one of the most unlucky teams in the NBA because they've had to blow blowout losses, and they are ninth in offense and eighteenth in defense they project for thirty seven wins in eight tire for the seed fifty four percent playoff odds. And there's a little bit of news about them. Yes. Basically, it's become apparent that? Frank Kaminsky is not a particularly notable part of the rotation. Even with Cody Zeller missing for two six weeks. So they're kind of thinking about moving him. But the problem, and I think this is first place. I heard this was the sporting news is that they would they would like to pair. Frank Kaminsky to offload another big salary and the one that they were trying to do with his Nikola a tomb, which is unbelievably amazing. It's like, oh, we love Frank Kaminsky. Oh, you have to take on salary. Don't really wanna do that. Who who you thinking Nikola tomb of great like I mean, it's it's so amazing. It's so Hornets to be like take this small thing that maybe somebody's interested in as a flyer and be like, oh and take on like our worst contract Kaminsky is still worth four first round picks. Right. Maybe it should offer him to a although I wasn't actually Kaminsky. Clear was that pick the the Celtics currently wanted to draft depend Justice Winslow. So let's start here is the idea that Kemba Walker go actually know this more is it possible for the Hornets to dump a tomb. What would it take us Nathan buoy? So I like looking contracts to this point by what they are after the season the tomb after the season two years, fifty two point six million. That's a lot of money. One thing that I found out. What is do? I completely forgot what Nikola the tombs age is. He's turned. He turned thirty in mid-december. He's believe two weeks older than Erik Gordon, which is also weird. But this year, you know, he's become he's showed kind of starting to show that age even at age thirty because he's just become a more limited player. He does have a fifty seven percent. Shooting. But it's on thirteen percent usage, which is shockingly low. And yeah, I mean this the Hornets. Starting lineup has Kevin some other craters, but Jeremy labs having a one full season and right now to miss shooting forty percent on threes and forty six percent of his shots going back to PIP IPM. He is three hundred twenty seventh in the league. That is not great. Incidentally, it is a little bit below miles bridges who was an interesting person to talk about in this context. But but tomb, you know, he's playing about thirty one minutes a game at forward, and there's value in that will Kim during the scarcity position. So what I wanted to ask you was two years fifty three million. Let's let's rounded up a little bit. How much dead money is there on that contract? Have what are you really asking another team to take on? I don't think of the tomb as really a starter level of player anymore, and that's probably going to get worse. He's always been overrated defensively. And he was usually back that they more effective on smaller players because he's not really that physical Inc. Is going to lead his body go as well. You know, he's kinda like skinny fat at this point in time. So defensively out offers a lot especially now that he's slow dotty. He sheds more effort against Bheenick. But overall, I don't think he's a positive on that any longer and a guy that you can't just leave, and he'll still shoot some three pointers going to his right? Every now and again, but as you mentioned the usage is really low. So I mean, I think he's if he were a free agent this summer, you know, you'd be looking at three or four million dollars a year for like two years that'd be the sort of player. So that's basically all dead money, essentially, and if you wanna look at this year, right? It doesn't seem like now granted money was little tighter this summer than it will be in future years with the so so many fewer teams I've been cap space. And then also the fact that so many teams were trying to unload money, which will probably be less the case going forward here. But when we talk about some of those sour sixteens, those sixteen million dollars seventeen million dollar a year contracts that had two years left on him your MAs. You're beyond BOS you're Turner's though. He's not as bad as those guys are your Dang's. Those couldn't really get moved. We saw. Unless they're free other. So, and I think the reason for that was one first round pick wasn't enough to offload those and we saw about twenty million dollars in dead money for one first round pick. It still has been about accurate going back to the Hinton deli trades the bucks gave up a first runner, although admittedly, a crappy one to Cleveland though, the deli and Henson can still play a little bit. So he's going to have fifty million dollars in dead money. Two first round picks to me is is the price to get rid of. And so I think he's going to be around for a while unless there's some other deckchairs moving sorta trade in which they can take on equally bad money or just a different type or something like that. So I think he's just going to be around. I don't see them moving. Yeah. There are a lot of parallels here with Chandler Parsons, except the tomb has an extra year and is a more productive player right now. Just because their contract is too. Big to really make the kind of smaller moves that would be possible. You know, if it got making ten or twenty million ten or twenty million years. Supposed to that full on mount. And also, what is Charlotte gaining by off loading that that contra so, yeah, maybe it takes two first round picks and in a certain circumstance, you know, they're times when teams have given up a lot like go back to the warriors giving up to I to offload the guys. So they could sign Andre Goodall. Yeah. That's an incentive to do it. But Charlotte, they don't have that kind of an incentive. They're not go. They're not going to be a big cap space team. And if they need to duck, the tax, let's say, it was resigned. Kemba Walker a bunch of money, and they have to duck the tax next year day will do that another way they will not do that by dumping to go up a tomb, even if maybe he be the guy they'd like to move, the least most it's just that the asking price is going to change that we can transition to question from Nicollin is the idea that Kemba Walker has no hope overblown, given the strong seasons from Jeremy lamb. Tony Parker another including limbs. Yes. And no, I mean, it's still Kemba Walker show. Yes. Jeremy lamb Marvin Williams, and Tony Parker have had better years in that has helped. But the the guy that I thought of is like a worthwhile comparison here is Damian Lillard like we both had those. Guys, pretty close in all MBA consideration. I think they were each of our thirteen guards. And I would say that Damian Lillard has meaningfully more help, and yeah, you know, lamps had a good year. And is probably, you know, actually, probably similarly productive in some ways to CJ this year. But this is C J having down year him having an up here. And overall, I think I think Portland has has a little bit more help there and Dame has to do less night in night out. So yeah, I mean Kemba has better help this year. But that doesn't mean that I think saying he had no help was always a little bit overwrought. And there are some players who are maybe a by the way, I take issue with your lamb bit. It's good CJ this year remark. But these guys are maybe doing a little bit better than expected this year. But they're still pretty limited players overall in. I mean, as Jeremy lamb is your second banana, if you think about it as slotting these guys into the roles that they're playing on this team right with lamb as your number two creator these. Well blow efforts as the number two creator Marvin Williams has held onto more of his value than I expected in this age thirty two season. But nonetheless, very limited offensively is basically just three point shooter and defensively. He's solid, but not unbelievable and Zeller is always been undersized that at the center position, he's having a nice year as a roll, man. And and, but you know, if you're going to rank the centers he's going to be in the lower half starting centers that leaks. It's really when you're matching guys up to just other players at their position at the role within the team hierarchy. They're still going to be a lot lower even if relatives expectations they might have been. But I think it's interesting to talk about Parker season quickly. Here is gotten a lot of pope for playing. Well, and he's had some really big games. He he and Hernan Gomez. Just completely of viscera did the sons horrendous pick and roll defence on Sunday. And he said some vintage Tony Parker moments. But he's still under fifty percent shooting in twenty four percent usage. So that's not fantastic. You know, he's not really getting the line is much. He's not really, Jim. Threes. Of course, there is a lot of value. I think Dennis shooter is in the same way in. Okay. See where you can look at these backup point guard. Some as just you know, what is the offense looked like when they're on the floor and four Parker. We probably actually should look at him on the floor and Kimball off because they've had some moments where they've played together. And I think have been relatively effective but poker as a two point two net rating, but that's mostly based on the offense or the defense playing pretty well to one oh six offensive rating with Parker on the floor that includes submits with Kemba Walker as well canvasses, one eleven so you're guessing that with Parker by himself on the floor. It's a lot worse than that one. Oh, six there's value in just having you gotta you gotta. Yeah. It so I'm using cleaning the glass, I'm not sure if you were so there's obviously some context shifting if you if you're not but said there at one oh nine one with Parker on Kemba off using cleaning the glasses figure and plus zero point seven rating. So the net reading it. Yeah. I. I am we're not possibly comparing apples to apples bending on. What you're okay. Well. Yeah. I was using MBA dot com. So that's a little order. But so that's up at I mean and get those guys may not be as efficient. But if they could just keep the offense moving give it somewhere to go someone to create shots, and then sets another guys up. So I think he's having a solid year. I I wouldn't put him as like an elite backup point guard at this point in time Ernie thing, but be compared to what they've had before since they were unable to resign. Jeremy Lin he's been a lot better. So they a lot of this to me, you know, the root of that question is just kind of relative to what we've had relative to expectations. And I think a lot of fans of teams can kind of fall into that a little bit as opposed to just really looking at. All right. What do we have here? Relative to the league. So spent a little more time on that. But but I think it's important to remember. Hey, art. Let's really when you're valuating your own players. Let's really go through it and say, you know, if the and not only in the role disguise. Playing on our team. But if you were playing a role on another team or other guys were playing this role on different teams, you'll where do they fit in? And I think, you know, a lot of these guys don't fit in that great could the Hornets used Carmelo's Chretien as Bill is inside. No, I don't think. So I mean, they're they're and offense and their defense is terrible. So I I don't think that the defense is where they can improve. I think the number one need to me right now is a Dwayne deadman type a center, you know, who can block some shots and be a little bit more of a defensive intimidator Biondo other than his maybe as last year in Charlotte and his one year in Toronto has not been that in his career. And then another question who should the Hornets? Start was Zeller out. What do you think it's inter-? I think they should use non Gomez is the primary guy can he can fit. Well, has a nice chemistry with Kemba Walker when they played together, but they can toy around with closing games with the M K G Williams combination. I would say K G is the center in those lineups really on both ends of the hour. But depending on how this I'm minutes, workout, you can go you can go that way to try it out. And I just because I feel like I have to clarify this. I do not think that Jeremy lamb is either a better player or is necessarily having a better season. I just think it's a closer conversation. I mean, I'm not again, I'm not siding, these stats gospel. But lamb is ahead of him in RPM PR, an PM and a lot of that is like rebounding and kinda some defensive stuff, which I think of CJ's creation as more valuable, and maybe that's underappreciated those. But I just want to say Jimmy Lyons. Having a great season in seizures having a season. 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Point seven rating puts them twenty eight in the NBA. They are last offense and expressing nineteenth defense. They are twenty second or sorry projected to win twenty two games, which were put them thirteen. So they're one of those three teams below the hawks that we were discussing before they aren't going to make the playoffs. And I think the most interesting question we got asked us from Greg felts. It was can Wendel Carter and Lowery market in play together or not I be we still don't know for sure that both of those players are starting caliber. And of course, that's that's a consideration here. Because I'm I'm interpreting the question is can you start those guys as a front court long-term 'cause you know, but I think it if we're talking more would start with fit. Yeah. I think the fit works reasonably well. You know, wanna Carter I like him defensively, there's some some intriguing potential there. I mean, we talked about him moving better than than his painted that helps him on both offense and defense. And you know, he his three pointer will need to come around. But I think that it that it can. And so defensively if he's more. A kind of know little bit of switch ability, but more of a standard five Markkanen to me his best role of defensively as as a four. And I mean, he needs to be better shooting from three and from two especially from too. But yeah, I mean, I think they can play together. I don't see any particular incongruity with those two guys think what may have inspired the question. The numbers with them. Together are awful right now. Four hundred thirty six possessions, negative twelve point six net rating. Where's that fall apart pretty much everywhere? Don't get any offensive rebounds never ever get to the foul line with those units at the most used units. There is a lot of his happened with Zach LeVine out. So they just haven't had the offense of creation. So that's part of it too. And they've only played thirty four possessions with marketing Carter Levin, and Chris done all out there small, and of course, for this team is kind of in a black hole. So it's really offensive -ly where it hasn't been good. I mean, that's obviously been the case throughout the Jim Boylan era. With them slowing it down, which is something that we really complain about defensively. It's been fine about league average with those groups a on the floor Markkanen Carter, but just when you think about the theory of what these guys can be Carter. I think profiles is a very smart defender. Not unbelievable athlete to be sure. But good enough at the center position. And then Markkanen can look good at times moving his feet. But overall at hill end up being a little bit below average as a power forward. Defensively is not really going to protect the rim. A ton not gonna cover ground not really great help instincts either. And he can move his feet, but it's still not going to be ecstatic about him switching onto a point guard or something like that. But I mean, people talked about the three of them is working together. Pretty well Carter. We haven't seen a ton of him passing the ball, but they do in theory once Carter gets to shoot a few board threes. Those guys can space the floor for one another one of the two of them can get down to the posts and attack mismatch while the other ones basis the floor. So I I don't see any problems so far despite the numbers being ugly. I think more of that is just they've played a lot of their minutes with terrible perimeter creation. And that they haven't been doing anything transition because Jim boylans been slowing them down. The offense has been relatively archaic the team like Paxon at a meeting with them, and they tried to go to a little bit more of an uptempo approach against the Pacers. Where it looked good. They got rocked by the nets in the offense sucked again a on over the weekend. So I I don't see a problem. What's sorry? What's vol? Thank you wanted to add. I said marketing should you better from three I have I had in my head that he was in the mid thirties. Forty percent this year. He's report shooting got this. Yes. Yeah. Forty six I think something like that. It was under forty percent a couple of weeks ago. So yeah, I mean, maybe it's looking a little better. But we'll see. I mean, this has been a weird time to the bulls, obviously with Boylan trying to get them to defend Moore. And the somehow playing slower is gonna make them to that which I don't really agree with. I don't think that that holds up a too much scrutiny. But the bigger problem is just that they have such limited perimeter guys that for a lot of the time. Here's Eck Levin. Finally is back now somebody will get a chance to evaluate. So we have about two minutes and thirty seconds left here. How would you evaluate the job at Boylan doing in? Chicago has your opinion of chain since he came on the show asked Mark Kay thought. He was very articulate and kind and interesting on the show whether that makes good coach or not I you can't tell that off of twenty five minute interview necessarily. I think that boiling is passionate. You can you can't argue that part of it. But and they have defended better, which he deserves some credit for obviously the fiasco app. The beginning did not look good around the league. And you never wanna have those type of headlines and the offense has been really bad. This idea vote. You know, we have to crawl crawl walk run sons lot better coming out of clay Davis's mouth in his so getting these guys to defend isn't courage. Ing we'll see it begin open up the offense a little bit. I mean, I do think that he has a loop. It more intellectual approach to the basketball than he's given credit for space a knowing him a little bit. But obviously they're going to have to be results on the floor and those his philosophy. I think is going have to evolve in some degree at least you can give him credit for the fact that he does seem to be willing to change things to some degree. So we'll see how the offense looks the rest of the year. If they're posting up Robin Lopez thirty seven times game at the end of the year while he won't be on the team. But if the play like that the rest of the year anytime them to slow down all the time when you know, you've got done in Levin and Markkanen and Carter guys should be able to get out in transition than there will be some level of concern for me to be sure. Yeah. I think we're just dealing with a relatively small sample size. And fortunately boiling is at saying as many ridiculous things publicly. So we don't have to focus on that part of it as much, and yeah, we'll we'll see it terms. The approach something that I generally support as you know, the idea of going slower that it can increase your chances of winning games. Just by you know, increasing the value variants. But Chicago they're try to try to develop players they're trying to evaluate everything else. And that's always the hard thing for coaches trying to establish themselves as their goal. And maybe the team goals are different. I'm not saying like the bullshit tank and try to play hard play fast to lose more. It's just that. If that's the kind of style that you think guys like Zach LeVine. And depending on how they feel about marketing and Carter that they will do best in Michael for the rest of the season would be evaluation. I and so then you wanna make the ecosystem as similar as you can to what you wanna do as opposed to what when what gives you the best chance of winning get thirty seconds left. Here. What rules by ways? Marshon Brooks played at the bulls Secere will books as already been waived. Of course, a Evans outta there. And seldom I'm hopeful that he's going to get a chance to earn two minutes at backup shooting guard. He's obviously not gonna start that's going to be being. I think even at small forward, you could potentially get some time. They're gonna start Chandler Hutchison. Certainly since he's more part of the future in theory. But I think seldom should get twenty minutes a game on this group. I think he's certainly deserves more time than Antonio Blakeney or Raleigh Alcon. Sue who's on a two way contract with them. I like him better than Arshi Aquino as well. So he'll be in the mix with Shaq no Shaq Harrison as well. But I think Seldon has more tools than either of those guys when you consider his potential shooting ability ability to get to the basket and pretty good strength. So they're gonna have to get something more out of him defensively. But he does have some potential to me I like him better than basically any guard that they have a who's not in the starting lineup. But we'll see whether they agree there from the coin perspective. Yeah. Yeah. He was. But we're I was going from a team building perspective. There's also the element that Seldon if they if he does well enough. They can retain them. I mean, it's possible that he gets an offer sheet, but low cap hold low qualifying offer totally find it to bring him back. You could even you know, if they have some vaunted use for all of their cap space. They could use that and then match on Selden or whatever or just straight up signed him after that. So I think they should give him a real shot. I I think that would be a mistake not to especially when you consider the general lack of like real high end upside there other guys I really like Jack Harrison, but I'm not here. Saying shack Harrison's going to be like a real high end player in the future. I just like him being a part of a team. So if you can give Selden the lion share, or at least the highest share of the minutes of any non starting guard. I'd be happy with it was moved to the Cavs. Now, we may take a little bit less time. And then since we only had two questions, and we've talked about one of them relatively recently there, but they are eight and thirty two Alwyn nine since last fifteen and sixty thirtieth in net rating now negative eleven point to their offensive rating one oh five point nine twenty fifth defensive reading is one seventeen. That is thirtieth and that is thirtieth by one point nine points per one hundred dad is just so bad. The Knicks are twenty ninth in that low noted this that I think relative to league average, they are they might be even the worst defense MB history right now. So yeah, I guess it wasn't LeBron last year. Oh, the to have some new guys they're so let's start with this which JR gets traded first. Tim Hardaway junior. JR auto porter, jR, JR or JR Smith S A S daddy share Smith, the reason for that being that his old CBA non guaranteed contract is grandfathered in. So is guaranteed about three million of the eighteen million that is due next year. And so that could be a way for another team to reduce salary and wave him. But the reason in particular that that's a valuable contract is he could be traded at that full value because it's old TV where he new CBA he would count as three million. Outgoing or I think it's eighteen million outgoing and three million incoming us. Basically makes them extremely difficult to make the math words unattractive, unless you're trading him into cap space, essentially, so that's actually could be a way for a team to reduce salary by trading for him and waving him and the Cavs could take on salary despite not having any cap space really this summer. So I think he's more likely to get traded porter is just such a big contract. Same thing with Hardaway a both those guys are negative value on their deals, they can both still play a porter more so than Hardaway in my opinion. So it's interesting to think about, you know, maybe you'd say Hardaway's just gonna get traded in the Knicks will give up an asset to move him. Because they're just they're cap space aspirations the summer in the Knicks, by the way, interestingly enough are going to have a very high traffic that's actually gonna hurt their cap room this year, but I'm sure they can get off the money. They could always stretch Courtney Lee as well. But I'm gonna predict JR because I think it's nearly inevitable that he will be traded, especially because. Cleveland is now shown with those hill, the hill Hinson trade or the hill trade for Delhi and Henson that they are kind of in bad contract asset acquisition mode, as they were the first time LeBron law that is definitely the military in what might make this a little less likely when I was doing the math for peace for the ethnic and Cleveland's getting a little bit close to the nineteen twenty spending line because they're not going to pay the tax obviously next year. And so I'm not sure they want to take on another contract. You know, if the opportunity presents itself into something reasonable, they get the right asset back in if they get a first-round pick or something. Yeah. Bio meets an but I still think it's Jared just because he is in a different situation. He doesn't fit the time on the team. And while the Knicks could move Tim Hardaway that requires somebody saying, yes, we don't know if that's going to happen. And also remember that mills was integral in signing. Tim Hardaway he is still heavily involved in the next decision process. It's perry. I consider Peres running show, but mills is still heavily involved. You and correct me if I'm wrong, they're obviously Grunfeld is has been in. We'll. Empower forever. So he picked Puerto he signed out a border that contract or at least matched the offer sheet. And then I believe technically Koby Altman signed. No, no, he didn't. I guess it was David Griffin the Sunjay out of that contract. Yes. Those are some route twenty. Well. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Over twenty seventeen so or no, no sixteen. Yeah. Right after the right out of the championship sixty. He was sixteen. Korver was seventeen. Yeah. And so so I think that that. But also just the Cavs are in such a different place, even if it had been Kobe did it this is a totally different Cavs team. So yeah, I think that that JR is the leader. However, there is also chance to Gerges doesn't get traded at all. And then the guy's our favorites there. The other question is from Todd J any realistic crates for Kevin love, assuming they will take back bad money. I think my best answer is no I do not have any realistic traits for Kevin love. But I wanna go through why? Kevin Love's contract after the season four years one hundred twenty million and he will start that remaining stuff with his age thirty one season. I mean, it's fair to say that Kevin love is heavily post prime at this point. That doesn't mean every year is going to be. Worse than here. He's having right now, we're even necessarily trying to he was last year, but, you know, post primis boast prime and the big question there is so for years and twenty million if we can I consider that clearly negative value contract based on what we know right now, probably based on what we will know at the end of the season, the bigger question is not you know, who wants to necessarily take on Kevin love. It's what is the benefit for Cleveland. You know, if a team sees Kevin love is a positive asset then. Yeah. Absolutely. You make that trade you make it in heartbeat. But if he is a negative at US at this is very similar to Nikola. The MO talked about before why would Cleveland give up something to get away from him. So he has to pass the test for the trade partner for me because otherwise there's really a point. And if so as is value drops, then it becomes less likely that he gets traded and the other big problem here is because of the sour sixteens, and because of just how recklessly team spent then and because that's now two and a half years ago. There just aren't that many bad contracts that run a really long time. Nobody's handicaps base since Hilbert arena. Rashard lewis. Yeah. Nobody's the cap space since then to give out those contracts. That's a great point. Right. So you're comparing a lot of the bad contracts in the league expire in twenty twenty. And so a frigging for one. For one of those guys on why with aren't as many of those right now is I mean, we teams had kept space in the summer of twenty eighteen, but they are the ones who had the levers they could make players take shorter deals because there's just there's more players out there looking for jobs than there were teams with money when it's a buyer's market than you have to give the longer years or you're not going to get the guys. So that's that's why we haven't seen as many bad contracts last couple of years as well. There's one to to break it. But I'm gonna agree. That's a great point. I it's it's really. Yeah. And so so the contracts we could see Kevin love get traded for probably have not been signed yet that I think that's the way that this is going to work. And so I I mean, maybe there's a chance that in late July or something like that a team sees their twenty nine nineteen twenty cap spaces, just less valuable, and hey, Kevin Love's better than we're going to do establish pro. But then the other big problem there is that there aren't that many teams with were he makes a huge difference. Where like let's say he takes them from a non playoff team to play off team that also have the financial flexibility and Andy immediate. It win now desire like it. It's going to take a perfect storm. And I don't see that brewing. So I don't really have any realistic trades at this moment in time. No, the one way that it goes differently than what you're talking about. Is that the team that's still thinks that Kevin love is good. But before the trade deadline with him. Now, he may not even play before the trade deadline. It's a little more unrealistic. How much is he gonna play after that as veteran they're going to be in full on tank mode? Obviously though he'll wanna come back and play a little bit. I think I think he's to want to leave. That's for sure, you know. But yeah, I mean, I I said one hundred thirty million left. I misspoke as one hundred twenty while we really went on there for the cats louder than any thought. But yeah, I do think he's going to have to reestablish value. Now, the one reason why maybe they could be motivated to move him is just because it's only going to get worse in terms of the his perception. And so maybe they wanted just get ahead of it and get rid of him now because they see him internally, and they're just afraid he's gonna get hurt again, or they just watch him come back from the surgery in the know that he looks like crap more so than maybe a other teams. Good. And there's they feel okay, we can get off this albatross now. But yeah, I don't see them throwing SS. But there could be a team that would be interested in him to ensure he still a name. He's still white. He still marketable. I guess so it only ever takes one. Yup. That's all it ever takes yet. Cleveland's should know that well for him coach GM's anymore. Yeah. Cleveland to know that because they are the ones who traded for Jordan Clark's. All right. That's good enough on them. Let's move to Detroit seventeen and twenty one really struggling since it. Smith went out there three and seven since last fifteen in sixty lost a couple of games to pretty good teams, Utah and San Antonio at home negative two point four net rating is twenty third in the NBA twenty third ranked offense twelth rain to defense. They project for thirty eight wants to be a tie for sixth of though that's one above where the seat is supposed to let her and sixty percent playoff odds. Let's start with this one because we talked about this a little bit on yesterday's program is under German even in above average starting center s. Cookie. Dookie? I it's a tough call. I would say it probably have him a little bit below that just because I'm not totally sold on him. As a you know, a consistent defensive force. And then what he does authencity is certainly useful. But I I like some of the skill sets of other guys now at a couple of different data points here using PM. He is the fourteenth number fourteen of listed centers. And I don't recall seeing too many non-listed centers above him and one of those guys above him doesn't start that story Pell. But he's just above miles Turner and Horford both of whom I would take over drumming without too too much consideration. I like both those guys meaningfully better. Then drummed right now, he's also thirtieth among senators in RPM, and he's still ridiculously dominant rebounder and RPM loves rebounding. So that's that's kind of a point here off the top of my head. We're not doing our center rankings right now out probably have him at right around this. I think that's probably the tear. He would be in. But whether he ends up being like thirteenth or seventeenth or fifteenth is a little bit of. A tough call. So he's in the conversation. I'm going to say with what I've Al you. I would have them slightly below. Yeah. And above average, starting center means so much less than it used to. Because I think we talked about this a lot. I talked about this. What I went on the bright side of the sun podcast with Tim and Dave talking about de'andre eight, and then why don't think he profiles as that valuable because unless you are either the type of center who makes a good defense on your own or a good offense on your own. It's hard to say that you're that valuable right even Drummond and also like these posts ups really just kill their offense to the that's not great. But Germans kind of already gets on the offense of glass that's great though, his lack of touch a lot of those ovens of rebounds. And just kind of ended up getting tipped off the glass or he blows the put back or something till they're not I don't think is offensive rebounds, or as valuable as they are for say Clint cappella type guy, he's not just coming in like crushing tip dunk, some people's heads as often and to see that Europe above average that does. It doesn't mean that much right AMIS not elite in any area other than rebounding, and rebounding just isn't that important these days? So to me, even if he is above average, he's not in the tier of of league is made a couple of all star teams. And maybe I guess he deserved that. But it's again says more about the east than it says about him. But I the crux of the question is this guy's making twenty five million this year twenty seven million next year player option, you might up into a twenty eight point seven million in twenty twenty twenty one man that year is going to be so annoying to say having to say the word twenty three times to describe one year. So yeah, he's overpaid. For team building perspective, he's not necessarily helping them that much also Doni as an eat percent treat bonus. Let's move to this question from Ben Richardson who should the pistons be targeting and traits to put her on Griffin. If they're choosing to compete in the next couple of years, and who could they trade while the number one thing that they need obviously is just better point guard play. Really having a good pick and roll operator. We taught yesterday on the program about how Reggie Jackson's father has been a big part of their struggles. And their disappointments to not have been a consistent playoff team these last couple of years mostly due to injury. And so that's the type of player that they need. There is a robust point guard market this summer in free agency. Unfortunately, they do not really have a ton of space. They might be able to swing the full mid level. If they were to move on from Stanley Johnson. But I think the other thing they could really use a Lou Williams type guide cycle. Microwave score type off the bench, and those sort of guys could be available for the amount of money that they're gonna have their also could lose issue Smith this summer, though, he's going to be a free agent. So that's what they mean. They just need more creation. More scoring a good point guard would be great. But that's probably not realistic unless they really wanted to make a trade here with another first round pick. Because that's really the only assets that they have if you look at this team. There's no. Nobody you would look at the say, hey, we can trade this guy for anybody decent. So they'd have to go into the well for another first round pick. And yeah, I guess I mean now that they're kind of pot committed with Blake Griffin. And they wanted just jase. The a c these X years was really what that trade was always about. I guess you could throw it a another first round pick and try to get someone who's an established. You know, maybe not Jeff Teague now. But a guy who is at Jeff tease level a couple years ago. I mean, remember they the Pacers traded George hill for Teague Utah gave up the number twelve pick for Giorgio La Land was willing to part with Teague who is in the last year of his contract. To course for that. Number twelve overall pick that became Tory imprint so they'll have a pick right around that range that they want to give that up and try to get a relatively middling point guard that trade might be out there. I'll give you one. I I'm not sure if their current front office is going to consider this. But we said for Kevin love, it only takes one and the guy that I would be shopping hardest Andre Drummond because this might be the last year were there are still a couple teams that see his physical potential. See he's a monster to rebound are and all those things and go. Oh, yeah. You know, twenty seven million a year for him. That's fine. You know, we can do that. And you don't even need to necessarily move Drummond for a great piece just somebody who's capable who plays a position of greater need. And then you can kind of fill in center at others of Yudo. However, that's going to work, and the other thing was that that could do depending on what kind of a salary got back. Maybe you could get get the time line a little bit better. Because right now Jackson leur Galloway all expire for twenty twenty. And even with all of that with Blake and Drummond. They they only have forty three million that sounds like a lot. But then remember everything that's gonna come on top of that all their draft picks any signings between now, and then so I don't think that's as much functional spaces may be somewhat think that it is. So if they could get Drummond involves. Yeah, I think they definitely should consider that it'll depend on the market, of course. And as you said, they don't have these many, positive value contracts, so trading Reggie trading. Lure Galloway, something like that. It's going to be really tough and remember amazing assist. Next year. They still have five point three million dead money for Josh myth. That will be the final year that he is on their books. The Pacers are twenty six and thirteen six three since the last time we checked it on them fourth in the entire NBA with a five point eight net rating sixteenth ranked offense second ranked defense. They did have a relatively discouraging loss at Toronto without Kawhi Leonard over the weekend. First questionnaire blog boy without a blog is current Thad young better than current Draymond green hoof. They're probably relatively equal is three point shooters a at this point in time. Green is still way better than him defensively better passer. Young does add a post up element that green does not. But no, I'm not I'm not willing to say that yet. I mean, Thaddeus, young has been very good. He's going to get heavy all defense consideration for me, but dream, I green I think is still actually we talked about this in our awards probably playing at the highest level of anyone defensively in the NBA right now and the young, you know, has been above his savage level. Green has been a little bit below. So no, I'm not ready to say that. Yeah. For these guys. I mean, I think that they're they're defensive Allieu out. Faces their offense evalu- and green is materially better defender as greatest Thaddeus young has been. So to me that is that supersedes on veterans dream on but a rim protector, and he's a much better. Switch defender on smaller players young is very good in the post. But even I mean young guarding posts up centers. He's not as good as on dry bones, just much more versed. Draymond is one of the greatest defensive players be history and maybe slipped a little bit. But no, I'm I'm not ready to say that yet. Even if you wanna say that young is a better offensive player at this point in time. The Draymond is better finish better post up guy portraying on his superior passer. And by about the same as shooter has grabbed go ability, which young doesn't really have. So I'm not gonna say that young probably be better than dream on this year offensively if on offense really continues to slip than the might change. But no, I can't say that yet who f- what kind of contracts would you give that young and boy on book Donovan next season. If you're going to re-sign them, which I'm gonna guess the Pacers will do that or at least try to. I mean, I think that to me just because he fits in more cleanly daddy s young is I really liked the combination of him with their centers. I think that really is a big part of why they're second in the league in defense. I mean, there are a lot of different reasons for it. But I think that's an important one and booked on the problem there is positional scarcity. And so I think they kind of need to make an identity for Thaddeus young. I'm thinking something in like the three year range. Do you think eighteen million years fair that that's kind of? That's that was my first thought was three three years eighteen million a year that seems a little rich. I don't know if he's going to have that much mortgage. He's always been underrated throughout the league. Granted nobody had space last year, but he did opt into one year fourteen million. So I don't I mean, they will have full bird rights on him. If I were them. I might be looking if things continue to go well the rest of the year to maybe bring back bugged out of his bring back young. I would not bring back call. So unless it's at a greatly reduced salary. You know, five million a year or something like that at as clearly the backup point guard and just try to maybe overpaid these guys for a year or two and then try to rebuild this him. And they still have all the depot they have turned her. They still have so bonus. I do think at some point they're going to need to reload with younger guys around that group and Indian has not been a huge kept space destination. So that may be easier said than done, but those guys are going to be in their thirties. And they're both having potentially career years at this point in time. So you don't wanna overpay for that? I mean, I I would be thinking more along the lines with something in the if you are going to go longer term. I'd want it to be probably lower than fifteen million a year or I'd want. I might be fine with that eighteen million for young for maybe two years three seems like a a little bit too much. There are all depots struggles recently regression from last season or more result of his knee issues. So of its regression that shooting that he had the first half of the year was unsustainable. But to me, I really have not seen the same explosion for him getting to the rim and finishing at the. Mm-hmm. As we saw last season. See I do believe that that may be the result of his knee issues. I agree with you. And he certainly had some highlights. I watched a fair portion that bulls game he had a really nice lefty Dunkin that game. And then he he had another left. You don't I think in the game before that but the possession by possession athleticism. I'm not seeing as much right now. And so I do think that there's some lingering effects of the knee issue. A question. I thought was interesting from feed me basketball are the Pacers legit threat to finish in first place in the east and or make it to the NBA finals. So I personally feel that they're more likely to to finish first in the east than to make the NBA finals because the way rotation shakeout and individual talents and all that kind of stuff. I think that helps other teams more than it helps them because they are SABA you can think about how good the center position is for them, and you know, point guard giving whoever giving their reporting their minutes doesn't really help. Obviously does with like as depot, but think about like even the raptors even though their team just their their star power. I think is is is heavier there. But I absolutely think that it's. A possibility that we should consider that the Pacers are going to be a monstrous regular-season team. Their defence is great. Oh, they were able to survive Olivos absence. I hope and expect that he will play a higher proportion of the second half of the season than the first half, which would be wonderful for them. And these teams are all good. They can all take care of beating the bad teams. And then and then it's of about how the scheduled how scheduled disparity breaks out. I believe off the top of my head that Indiana has a harder remaining scheduled in Toronto in Milwaukee. But they could you know, but I would say that's more likely. It wouldn't say that they're the favorites in any way, shape or form and legit threat there on the on the fringes that for the regular season for me, but it could happen. Absolutely the older boat up to play incredibly well for them in the playoffs. I just don't think they have the offense of ceiling. They've got some guys like book done of inches gonna regress a little bit as well. I do think that while they're deepens spent very very impressive. There are places to attack their kalson bogdonovich with faster players sabinas. We'll see how Turner looks in the. That play of crucible though, he's been wonderful this season but old deep owed after played a much higher lover. And I think they're going to really need to get more of Turner spacing out to the three point line, which is doing a little more of lately, but to really compete with some of the best offensively. I still think that they are most likely scenario for them as losing in the first round last question on them real quickly here how we've talked about bonuses six-man Casio already on the awards. But how did they address the Turner Simona situation going forward ask max, and the answer is very carefully. You just can't have you know, those guys played together a little bit. But I still don't think that that can be your basic alignment, and so if they're gonna give sabinas extension he he's been very good. But ultimately is going to be a backup center on this team miles Turner is the guy that they have invested in. That's the reality at this point. Now, if they could get support for Larry Nance money and extension, you know, four years forty six million. Yeah, that's something that I would consider doing especially including that could be a tradable contracts abundant. There's a lot of credit for how much he's improved as well. But they're still a ceiling on that. And like we've talked about so many times, he's a great romantic and post up some. But there are a lot of guys who can do that, you know, is and he's much better than say Willie Hernan Gomez authencity, but Willie Hernan Gomez can give you seventy five percent of Savona softens fleet someone who's obviously much better defensively, but there's just so many easy ways to replace that production, and you just you can't put too much of your money into centers, especially neither of whom are likely to be a superstar. I don't think. So they gotta be very careful there. They also have to be careful because I doubt there are ship wants to pay the luxury tax. And so they want to spend on other positions. Whether it's in the summer of twenty nine nineteen or twenty twenty then that gets really complicated with the money that they're already paying and at some point there. Oh, a depots going to get a raise off of his twenty one million. And so you kind of thinking long game, you don't wanna trap yourselves, and that's something that could happen if they gave some bonus a lot of money, even though I like both those guys you just kinda and you don't necessarily have to make a decision right now. But at some point in the next year, or so, I think I'll have a pretty good idea. Yeah. I've totally been forgetting. This at the time for some of these teams, but eight minutes on the clock now for the Miami Heat nineteen and nineteen very encouraging. They had reached an eight year at seven and thirteen at one point six and three in the last fifty sixty or I'm sorry since the last fifteen and sixty day did get completely blown out by the hawks on Sunday actually have a positive net rating zero point seven seventeenth in the NBA twenty-second on offense but up to seventh defense they are projected for thirty wins which be tie for six and sixty percent chance at the playoffs. One quick note. I wanted to make before we get into the questions Miami is currently number one in clutch defensive rating after being middle of the road the last couple of years. So that's a big part of why they've been they have a positive plus ten point five net rating in clutch situations and eleven and ten despite still having a bad close game offense. So that's worth watching just of whether that can continue an obviously, they have great defensive personnel. So that part of it can continue, but you know, some of it isn't mccrum asleep when we're dealing with a small sample. I think they played seventy clutch minutes. So far. I think the most important question that we should talk about is from Parisa Shreen. What are your thoughts on just wins starting point guard experiment? Does he have a future at that position? So exposed to announce the shift for their December twenty eighth game against the Cavs. So they played five games in those games. Winslow's averaged fourteen points with six assists one point turnover. So over three sister turnover ratio, six rebounds net three two record, including that bad loss in Atlanta. And so my overworking part of this is it actually kind of reminds me of Brandon Ingram. And what I mean by that is Winslow is absolutely better with the ball, miss hands. And I think it has it has activated him it. It helps create value. You know, he he can he can generate some seams in the defense. But I don't think that him playing that role is generally going to be successful for a team. That's trying to be really competitive. You know, it's true trying to middle of the road team or in Miami's case right now where us were stopped because Gordon Dragages out with the surge. Gery? Sure. Absolutely. I think that it's been a better option than I anticipated and a better option than really what they have on the table. So that's a good thing. But I think making any like big personnel decisions based on that kind of success would be a mistake this necessity is the mother of invention here if you look at real point guard skills pick and roll you can just go under on him anytime. He's not going to being three on you or even a to necessarily off the dribble getting to the rim. He's not in elite finisher. His dribbling is probably the Skillet as most improved since he was drafted. So there's gonna be said for that as grab and go guy can be okay. But it's really more that he provides a lot defensively. And Josh Richardson, it's really asking him as too much of him to be the main Bolander they need him to be a score on this team. And then the other aspect is will if Winslow has the ball now you need to guard. I know he shot a little bit better from three this year. But he's still not a huge threat there. So it's a place to put him where he has to be guarded in theory as opposed to if you're having Richardson. And run the show than Winslow off the ball is not as not gonna have as much gravity. So he can dribble, but as a picket role score as a passer me a lot of these assist. These had you know, it's not like crazy. Value added assist? A lot of his just kinda running the offense style assists that you're just gonna have because you're the guy who has the ball. So I just don't see him as a an elite room attacker. I don't see him alita passer. I mean now when we're actually comparing him to point guards, you if you're comparing to other guys who are small Ford's or power Ford than yet. You're you looks a little bit better there. So I think this is more just like while someone has to handle the ball for us. We don't have anyone else. But if you really gonna compare him to actual point guards offensively, you know, it just it's not gonna work out that you can feel that amazing about it wise Miami having some success with their zone defense that went reasonably well for them against the rockets in particular, Assan Whiteside is utterly statuesque. He is incapable of guarding the perimeter. Or or if he is going to guard the perimeter. He's incapable of feeling help responsibilities at thought it was pretty notable in that hawks game. For example, when he was guarding. John Collins, who's not been amazing shooter in the corner. He was just completely unable to offer any kind of help he got over one time and committed a foul of. But just he's too slow and its recognition is too bad to guard anyone with any kind of shooting ability. So if you're playing zone now, you can station in more towards the basket, sewn other levels has long been favored of teams with more size a little bit slower and have bigs that you don't wanna have out in the keep them near the basket deepens with three seconds. Of course, makes that more difficult in the NBA, but the concept still helps and then you've got guys out top who have pretty decent sized Richardson Winslow who can use their length. Having a lot of length also helps when you're playing some so, and so I think and in particular against Houston. It was a way for them to avoid having to switch out of unfavorable matchups. James harden likes operate about the Arkansas of you're playing a two three zone, you keep your best defender. Out there above the Arkansas euro is gonna have helped behind them with his own unit. Take this one should Miami looked to Geel Josh Richardson now for future assets considering the aren't going anywhere now. I don't think they should the next year and a half might be a little bit uninspiring just because Miami feels really set with their roster for a couple of different reasons, but July twenty twenty two he'd have serious cap space Richardson will be twenty six with likely one more season left on his really team friendly contract because twenty one twenty two is a player option a low player option that I expect from decline. So I think you're kinda trying to set things up for then Miami, depending on how their front office looks and everything else like that. But there's been remarkable stability for them. So far that I think they'll be ready to kind of go after it at that point. And Josh Richardson is a good piece for now if somebody makes you an irresponsible offer, and a, you know, says like we really want Josh Richardson, we want him to be our guy then you think about that differently. But without knowledge that. That is definitely going to happen or that that's on the table. I would lean towards no. And so, yeah, it's it's not fun to cover team. That's pretty consistent. Allow to faulty more importantly, that's consistent. And that you know, it's kinda like low end playoff team probably gonna lose in the first round in like five six games in a hard-fought series. But moving away from that to me would be kind of damaging just because I don't I don't think there's really a way to do that without giving up assets, or, you know, making something of that future worse. And so if they could somehow have their kicking to shirt by all means like if you ever get a team to make stupid trade, you do it. But other than that don't, and that's kind of goes along with the Noah Negra question, which is does Miami have enough to be a dark horse in an AD trade in my answer is no not only are they out of billion second round picks. And they're that unprotected I which complicates things from a stepping enroll perspective. But they just I mean, I love Josh. And they have a few other guys that I like, but I just don't think they're asset pool is that strong those good for the heat the bucks twenty eight and eleven nine and two. Since last fifteen sixty talked about their win over Utah last night. If you need more bucks talk nine point three net rating by far I in the NBA second on offense fifth on defense. That's actually risen a little bit. They project four fifty seven wins which would be second in the NBA. They will make the playoffs Nick wider asks what are the books need at the deadline any I don't think they need a lack of a lot. I mean, if if they're healthy getting George hill helps the guard depth they have options at center, I mean with Brooke and with Thun, I would love to see them have just one more forward that might just be digit Wilson if he keeps playing really well, but maybe somebody who's more three size to you can try in some situations. But the problem is those guys are really hard to get. And so, yeah, I my instinct, especially considering they already gave up that pick, and they are the blood so pick already. I don't think there's a lot that they're going to do and they can try to sell themselves hard on the buyout market and say, hey, look, you know, we're championship contender. You can be on our team. Maybe depending on what position you play their minutes to be had. But. I don't see. I don't see a screaming screaming needs UC won the knee another guy who can guard Leonard. That'd be nice Middleton is okay, there Janas can't do it because he can't get through screen and maybe on a last the last couple minutes isos sorta situation he could do it. But yeah, I mean, even Middleton is gonna get overpowered by quiet. You know, that's not the I mean, there's a lot of deems that don't have somebody's strong enough to guard it quite Leonard and quick enough to also get over pick and roll. And there's probably fifteen guys like that in the whole league. So to me, that's probably it. I worry a little bit. Yup. They had to go up against the warriors in the finals. And it's amazing that we're talking about this team it in that light than they could probably use a little bit more versatility at the big position. But I don't think that's realistic. And as you said they already out two first round picks, maybe on the buyout market. They could get someone. But I mean, they also the Bedia their team is that everybody on the wing as a quality three point shooter. And so they're not gonna want to give that up for more defense with specialists type. I mean, their their whole team is built around the only guy who can't shoot on this team is. Yes. And if you add one more into these lineups that's gonna really take their offense down a ton somewhat related here. Hugh, Jack, the Abbad will Shobin not snowman asked is there to hand wringing over brick Lopez in the plants this we've hit on a little bit that I think given the teams that they are going to go against in the east playoffs. Dodd I don't think so I don't see any of those teams as being able to play him off the floor part of that too is helped by the fact that Eric Bledsoe does have some flaws defensively. An Eric Nima wrote a good pizza about how he gets through screens for the athletic actually, sat down with him watch a little film of deadly dot com slash cap space. If you wanna sign up for that because they have Bledsoe Correa's really the only guy that you look at it like, oh, man. This guy is so good in the pick and roll and pulling for three and he can pull Lopez away from the rim that were going to really struggle here. Now, you could also make the argument that. At Lopez and pick and roll defense. They protect him a lot by bringing in more help from other areas. And that's part of why they give up so many threes is because they have Lopez kind of hang out back there. But they're gonna take away shots at the rim with that approach. So I think if they could put blood so on Kyrie and just have him kind of stick to him get through those screens force admitted to point jumpers. There isn't any east team to me really the probably the biggest one is Kemba Walker actually who is lit up the bucks in a couple of games this year, if they have to play him the first, rob. But I don't think that Charlotte has enough firepower to to hurt the bucks, and certainly no chance of stopping him on the other end and Lopez so important offense way. So no, I don't think Golden State to me is the only team that really could play Lopez off the floor even Golden State because they've had so many other limited guys, and they may have cousins out there with green and loonie. There's enough places to hide and help off of that, you know, Golden State even has not been playing these centers off the floor when they go small nearly as much as. And so no, I I think it may be that huge act. The abominable. Showman is correct that there is too much hand wringing over him it in the playoffs. But we haven't really seen him deep in the playoffs yet. So I could be wrong. Houston might be the one. Actually, that's if they were to somehow play them in the finals that would be the worst matchup for him. And we're actually going to do the NBA casts four, Houston and Milwaukee tomorrow night. So we'll get a great look at that. I can't wait to see that game. Really sad about that. I found the question from Ted hearing really interesting is this meaning the eighteen nineteen season the bucks best shot at a title considering the several guys on expiring deals and doubt that ownership will pay the lecture tax. And I think the answer is a very well could be we don't know that for sure obviously because Middleton and Bledsoe could come back. Lopez could come back to but even though Jaanus could have better years than this. He's both of our pick for MVP right now. The ridiculous boot and holes are has this team playing really good offense and defense. And if I were to guess which way the talent at Evan flow is going to go from here. I would. Guess it's going to go down. So have all that. And then the other thing is what? Well, let me break in on that point there shown in they've A-plus rating right now, I mean, generally just regression to the mean is that you're going to be worth that the next year? And then when you consider also the number of free agents, they have to that they're all going to come back. You know, that something is going to happen with one of those guys Benchley or they've been completely healthy this year too. There could be an injury. And then also Johnson Hoopoe a could leave the summer after next. I they'll he'll be eligible that doesn't any veteran extension. If they don't get the results that he wants the deductible years. You know, they could be in the same position next summer as the Pels will be this summer. So that's a that's other concerns that they could only have one more year left grizzly enough in the honest era with this being the first year that they've been good. Yeah. And then the unwillingness to pay the tax if that is in fact, the case is certainly a concern as well. So so yeah. But then you're gonna say. Competition hard about guys skies returning. Yeah. Well, it's before it gets to the competition point. It's also hard to imagine that if they lost somebody that they be able to upgrade on it just be limited flexibility, and because Milwaukee is not a historic destination. And remember if they theoretically, let's say a big free agent was interested in them. They would be committing for longer than Janas unless because you honest, you know, I believe he cannot sign an extension until twenty twenty. Is that correct? I'm trying to remember John. I shouldn't do this on the fly. Yeah. 'cause eighty can this year, and then you honest can next year. Yeah. So so that that would be a big commitment for somebody. Let's say even if they were interested in playing with you on us and everything that comes with that. So yeah, I think this is there and then the competition. So yeah, the east is loaded this year with very good teams. But I don't think there's a, you know, just an absolute killer out there. The Celtics are interesting the Sixers and the Pacers. Although seems very good. I would say the biggest threat is the raptors just because they're challenged fool the way they play. I think the obviously the words are still really really good. So yeah, I think this is this is. Their best shot, and I I won't know until July how by the degree to which it's their best shot. But yeah, I think it's by meaningful degree as of right now. Is there any chance that Lopez forces spallina PTS off the floor in the playoffs? S John Hayden Brady. I don't think. So. And we saw a lot of last night because Lopez is just not gonna post up. Maybe the I think the bucks would do well to try to get a few more looks with him in the post try that out. See if you are going to go to this strategy now is being guarded by Derrick favors part of that time. But a lot of times being guarded by Jae Crowder. Lopez is just so huge the problem with Lopez as as a terrible passer. And so getting him into the post forcing a double team. You know, he's not gonna be able to be the hub of the offense. But thinks they should experiment in those situations with some sets where he can just go post up. I mean like it is crazy how big years like that is something that people really forget about him like he's not even just a normal center. He's huge even for a center. So to just. Go in and like stick as a guy posts up right at the charge circle. And just you know, four or five possessions a game try to post him up there. I think that something that they should pursue. They just haven't been doing that at all. And he's been awesome spacing out. You don't want to do too much of that. 'cause now you're taking away from what Jaanus can do last question. Do any bucks players belong the defense put at your conversation. I John is probably does we we gave him short shrift. I think in not discussing him the other day move onto the Knicks. Yeah. I think yeah. He deserved. He serves to be in the conversation. I wouldn't have him, you know, at the top. Which is why didn't think disgusting. But he's in the conversation. Danny didn't you locker timer tent? I I had to finish my thought I know you can't sympathize with that. But the knickerbockers ten and thirty one in eight since the last fifteen and sixty they are now twenty six the net rating at negative eight point nine twenty fourth offense depressing twenty-ninth in defense and five thirty projects them to win twenty games, which puts them as one of the other teams will the hawks there'd be fourteenth in the Eastern Conference. They are not making the playoffs. And I liked that the way the way this was put this together was he didn't really pick a single Kevin Knox question. He's just like there are a lot of questions about Kevin Knox, which is appropriate. And so we could just this isn't going to be the full dunked on breakdown of Kevin Knox. But I wanted to talk a little bit about it. Because Knox since December first he is scoring sixteen point four points per game. That is really exciting is, you know, the the best young prospect on the Knicks, especially statistically, that's the good part. And I'm sure there are people who are who are who were. And I think that were as important here and are more. Domestic Kevin Knox. But I I still don't see it personally. I think that especially offensively. The reason he has been more productive is that he is just getting ton more volume. He is taking fifteen shots per game to get to that sixteen points per game. And he is shooting thirty percent on threes. That's great. But that also means that he's shooting just over forty percent on twos. That is distinctly. Not great. Neither just as December numbers those aren't weighted down by his struggles of the beginning season. So overall the offensive picture in December which was his best month fifty percent shooting on twenty two and a half percent usage and Knox's not great defensively. So the problem that I had with him and this is true in the draft process. And it might just be that I'm low on him and will take some time. You know that that happens with players all all the time. You know, if you're low on them, you just you see the negatives. More in the positives is that gaming this out a little bit. So if a player is not he's not a lead defender, at least when I watch him. He's not a lead defender on like forwards or anything. And I think that that is probably going to be the case for the rest of his career, physical talent. But not that type of it. Okay. So. Then he's more of a complementary for were defender and ofensive -ly, you know, he can score. But he's probably not going to be the lynchpin of your offense. And so that could be a guy that's useful forwards as we talked about back with Nick pa- tomb, even if they're not stars. They're really valuable just to soak up minutes, and he could be better than that, obviously. But the idea of him being kind of like a centerpiece of this. I just I don't see how that works for a successful team for a middling team. Yeah. Absolutely. There there lots of paths there. But for like a team that wins a playoff series. I think the Knox's more of a complementary guy wasn't courage that Knox had some big rebound. Give the give twenty five and fifteen in a game. A couple of weeks ago is going to have to find a way to be more efficient that thirty eight percent from three is good free throw rates, okay? For rookie about twenty five percents. But you mentioned that the two point shooting is so bad. I mean and the next don't have a ton there. They wanna let him spread his wings a little bit. But certainly guys of his age these high usage guys will have these big games on occasion. When you're taking that many shots in your creating them any shots. That is a skill. But there's just a tendency especially with the within a fan base to really focus on all these great games and his potential and not really notice the games that he's going three for fourteen or whatever. Now Knox one of the youngest players in the NBA very late birthday age nineteen season Saverne to be able to show the skill level. I think it is useful. But I what I really need from him is I don't see him being number one type of option. Maybe it'd be number one too. I think the Nick pa- tomb comparisons instrument knock says more lettuce than him. Maybe a better natural shooter, even as well, and certainly more of an aggressive mindset. But that kind of, you know, the Chandler Parsons type of player, you know, again Knox is doing more taking more shots than those guys were at this age in general persons was at Florida at this time it was for a couple more seasons after that. But I just wanna see more from him defensively. More in the effort categories more physical dominance more ability to play the four defensively. You know, you just gotta get a lot tougher to me is a big. Part of it. And you never know what these guys, right? I mean, we've long been kind of lower on this archetype of player. Right. Andrew wiggins. You know, guys who shoot a lot of shots on bad teams inefficiently early in their career and don't really do much else. Right. So Andrew Wiggins is a guy who hasn't quite panned out in he in theory, more than Knoxville the Knox is there as well. So, but he's so young he could certainly improve in a lot of these areas generally though, playing with passion physicality, those are things just your mentality that could be improved. But there's also a natural component to that as well. So I've I mean he has a lot of flashes. You like that to be sure but just with this statistic? Profile. The odds are against him becoming a big star at this point in time. But he does have youth on his side. I'm certainly not for closing that outcome. Yeah. I'm not for causing either. And again, it's kind of defining terms. If he becomes a productive starter. I I would be very happy with that at me especially considering where he was picked and putting undue expectations on it can lead to disappointment to. I know it's great. Enthusiastic early. And it's a really fun thing. I've been around teams like that a lot of times. But it can't be as long as you don't say, oh anything anything less than stars disappointing. I would I would advise against that. No negative. Is there any way that the Knicks can trade Tim Hardaway junior without attaching assets? After this year Hardaway's owed two years and thirty seven million dollars that second year is a player option. I think that's a negative value contract. I believe a lot of teams would feel the same maybe not everybody. But that's you know, again, it's a lot of money. And if you think about like if Tim Hardaway was going to be on the market. I don't think he would make that kind of money especially with the the flexibility, and that's the hard thing with player options. If you assume that players and their representations are going to decide them properly, then if Hardaway is awesome next year and outperforms his contract, then he just out and he's an extra free agent. Maybe he resigns, but maybe he just leaves. And so maybe maybe end here. The other big problem here is timing. Because if the Knicks really need to move him, then that means they got some. He really good. And by that point teams, the potential trade partners will mostly probably still be optimistic about what they can do with their space, and so they can use the moratorium a little bit, but not very much. So my instinct is no it only ever takes one team. And so it is entirely possible. But I wouldn't expect Hardaway is capable of creating shots. Twenty seven percent usage. He doesn't turn the ball over too much. His probably always going to be below average efficiency this age twenty six seasoning might be a little bit better. The next couple of years as a shooter. But pretty limited passers while doesn't put a ton of pressure on the rim. So not really a starting quality shooting guard to me on a good team. You know, there definitely are some teams that could be used his shot Gracia on the second unit like Detroit, for example, is a team that could be used him. And maybe you could see Hardaway depending on what happens with the Knicks free agency this off season, you could see him getting moved maybe for a guy who's less useful. But only as a year left on his contract at similar money. Maybe you could see that sort of deal happening for a team that could use his. Brandish creation. But I agree with you. Now, we have seen at times teams overpay for that sort of skill set. We saw the Jordan Clarkson, for example, teams that are just like, hey, we need someone to score that just get seduced by those counting stats, so I'm not gonna say it's impossible, but it's relatively unpassable. All right. We've got about oh, ten seconds left. Here is a real quick lightning round. If you wanna pick one how many Knicks pass that test? A lot of them. Actually. I mean, I think it's Burke fondly Knox Robinson, Dotson moody. A depending on if you're thinking near-term long-term Keenan trigger. I mean, both those guys just depends on where we're defining terms here. And yet they just have they have money tied up in other players. But they're they're young guys are pretty well priced are let's talk Orlando Magic here at seventeen and twenty three a, but I what do people get with. 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Here are kind of lost their their settling in about where we thought they would be after they were hovering around five hundred for much of the season, which is still playing while, but not at the crazy level that he had been obviously, they're really struggling on offense at twenty six fifteenth ranked defense, which I think it was action accomplishment. When you're starting DJ August in and nickel of which vich and they project to be loved than the conference thirty three wins. Only twenty percent chance now at the playoffs that seems about right? Here's a good one that we can talk about you on to hit on this one are the magic better off trading baba voltage or John Isaac for three and a related. That's. From Stephan fill then a related question is do you see a scenario where the magic and play above average offense with a trio of mo- Isaac. And Gordon all as to the second question. I that's it's gonna put a lot on the other guys there. I mean floor spacing of Bomba Isaac. And Gordon is going to be limited shot creation is obviously really limited. Those guys to me are all dependent players. And so then you're looking at your one in your to just shouldering a big burden. I think that's a lot. But where I wanted to go with the first question of bamboo or Isaac for three is the decision that Orlando has to make in the next month with each having a spectacular season about, you know, this is age twenty eight year, he's going to be an unrestricted free agent. If they keep him around with a nineteen million dollars cap hold and why it's so important is that they just need to figure out some of this is going to be talking with his representation about do. They want to bring him back, and what price would be appropriate, and they're not going to have all the information. They're not going to know what other teams are gonna offer necessarily or anything like. That. But if their vision is to either, you know, have Bomba eventually overtaken whether he deserves it or not or, you know, a different theory team will if you're not going to resign future. If there's, you know a hard limit on it instead team could go pass it from a value proposition. Even if he's helping you lot this year, you should probably move a miss specially now that the playoffs are looking more like a distant dream. There's a chance voters happy there that the price that he's looking for is the price that you're willing to pay and then either some other ripple effects that come from that in terms of moving other pieces in the rotation. But I think they need to come as close as they can to making a decision in the next month because waiting just makes things worse. Yeah. Unease roots level this year that I certainly never thought he could get to as an offensive player, but he still really and it's not his fault. Obviously they haven't had better players than him. But even at this level. He's still sort of holding this franchise hostage in a way that it's just difficult to pick a direction the draft Bomba. Yeah. I don't think Bob looks like. Is ready to start next year? It'd be any good of but they did use the number six overall pick on him. They need to be able to see what baba and Isaac. And Gordon look like together. I don't think it's gonna look great certainly offensively. Like the Tanzer that second question. I ain't the only way it works as Moba just becomes an incredible three point bomber which you know, I think he could be semi capable out there. But I don't see him as just like some incredible shooter that teams are terrified of in pick and pop and says it is to say they don't have anywhere close unify in talent on this team right now. And how do you get that? If you're the Orlando Magic probably in the draft. And I don't think Orlando is the free agent destination at once was back in the ninety s when people just kind of want different things now other than just warm, weather and gated community golf courses. So and has been good enough that who's probably has them winning two games. I know it's going to suck to hear this for magic fans. Like, we've been terrible. We've haven't even remotely sniffed the playoffs since twenty twelve but they gotta find a way to get more high Intel. On this team. I mean, even if they just keep this same group together right now, and you know address maybe you can get a decent fridge point guard and the next couple of years ago. Maybe this group gets to being like eighth seed every once in a while. And that's just not good enough, you they just have to swallow it and be worse than so I think moving on at the deadline, especially if you could get a first round pick for him. I don't know that you could. I'm not sure who the suitors are as good as has been who want to do that. And can you think of anybody who would really like vote is going to help their playoff? Chase a ton here. Not that I think would would really give something up where he'd make. I mean, theoretically, I was to not really I mean center is just such a saturated position right now. And you know, like their teams that he could help. But I don't think they'll what about. What about the I think you could help the Hornets a lot maybe or the wizards in theory, though, John wall, you're now. So they'll end maybe maybe the way that the Hornets would give up a I would be if they took on some bad money. You know, like made it a little bit more palatable for them to you know, to do whatever it is that they want to do next summer. Maybe something in that in that mold begets tough. I mean, I really don't see. I mean, there's so many centers around the league. I don't see any of these teams as really being upgraded for them other than the Hornets. I just don't really Sammy unless there's a team there's play teams that could use as a backup like the pistons could really use them as a backup and may be there'd be interested in residing in. But you know, virtues very party is as a great year. He's gonna wanna go somewhere that he could be a starter. And I mean, it does seem like if I had to guess, I bet you he ends up resigning that that actually strikes me as more likely than not crazy enough years 'cause Bomba hasn't really developed that much this year, and he's good. And they will say, hey, you know, we buy. Keep on the price will actually be pretty reasonable, and they'll talk themselves into it. But it's just like, I they just it's one of the things that they just have to break up like like that. He's just kinda like as well as these played well beyond my expectations. I don't expect it to play this well in the future NBC's just doesn't fit with any kind of a long-term vision of this team. But yeah, I don't think they're going to try, and it's also like there's not I don't think they are either. And it's also this weird problem where the magic don't have a ton of flexible is thinking say at an ownership is often pushing especially for teams that haven't been relevant in a longtime pushing to be as good as they can be where they go. Well, you're not gonna get anybody better than on the market, and maybe they end up with a draft pick, and they can draft a point guard or talented offensive guard. Whatever position they played say, oh, they're gonna make a big difference or something like that. And it is this kind of weird weird. And in some way, sad situation where it would be probably better for both sides, if they could go to go in a different direction, depending on especially with values, you know, he can do whatever. The hell he wants. But the gravity is kind of pulling them together. And so even if it's like the opposite of a symbiotic relationship is an antibiotic one, and I don't think that's necessarily true here. But there are elements of it were being together as detrimental for both of them. The other gets more good for him in his individual numbers. There's nowhere else in the league good. He would have as big of an offensive role you and to talk a little bit about this question from Tony. Cobra your thoughts on DJ August in this season. We have about two minutes left here. I think it's been a little bit. I think it's been a little bit unappreciated. I mean, this is also potentially breaking the J Augustine cycle of being good one year and bad the next year because he was, you know, pretty good by his standards last year and then doing well and one of the big parts. I mean, Orlando talked about their offensive rating is twenty six there of a one oh nine offense. When when Augustine's on the four granted a lot of those miniature with fruits, and futures awesome. So, you know, you're you're kind of separating it out Augustine partially due to that dichotomy is twelfth in among point guards on offense of RPM. So I he's been better this year than I anticipated. I think that some of those things overstated. Just because of the quality of the substitutes in the second unit and all those sorts of problems. But he's been better than I spent. So I wanted to give him a little bit of credit for that. Yeah. I mean, we said it before that was a contract that we completely panned at the time, and it's actually pin craze lead up one of the better contract signed in the summer of two thousand sixteen he's really produced and he's not the twelve best point guard in basketball, but he's gives enough offensive competence that they're actually okay when he's out there. And it's just a disaster when he's not a mood to Philly twenty six and fourteen six and three really six and four when you talk about that Butler story getting out that's gotta count as a loss since the last fifteen sixty two point five net rating is although that's tenth in the NBA. Twelfth-ranked offense eleventh ranked defense projecting for fourth in the conference at fifty three wins. That'd be too above the Pacers. For efforts are protected for fifty one and Garrett Alana former student at SBC, very cat focused guy, assuming no major moves are made. Should the Sixers look to be an over the cap team the summer or renounce most of their free agents at have around twenty million in cap space. I assume he is not including Jimmy Butler in that as someone to renounce it if they were to renounce Butler, they would have nearly fifty million in space, but they need to hold onto his thirty million dollar capital. If they want to resign him, clearly if he moves on than they would be a cap space, and there's no way you're going to get fifty million in value for retaining anyone the guys who if they keep Butler. So the question is basically would you rather have twenty million in space, plus you room exception? Or would you rather have the ability to exceed the salary cap to re-sign existing free agents that you have bird rights on. And then use your exceptions, depending on how much pay those guys probably they would end up having access to the full mid level. But so who are those free agents Wilson Chandler JJ Redick they certainly would love to have him back Radha has been excellent this year. And then TJ McConnell would be the. The other one guys that they would want to have back. I think for above minimum the Mike Bosco falls into that category. While they had Fulbright's on him. They've also got Justin patent one on note that teach him good starring McConnell's capital zone. Say he could work in both scenarios because. Depending on how they wanted to do it. He's he's at the minimum. So I I would kinda separate him for me. It's more would rather have twenty million in the room exception or some combination of JJ, Redick Wilson, Chandler and the full mid level. And I think it all depends on whether you're going to bring back Redican, whether you agree with him in what the prices, I think if they wanted to go on a longer term deal for him something in, you know, the ten to twelve million range of remade twelve point three this year, but it's going to be a much more robust market. It will also be a year older. So do they wanna go another one year deal for him? They'll have early bird rights on him. So they can pay him up to a hundred seventy five percents of that twelve point three million his capital will be sixteen million. So that they get a little extra spending power there by holding onto his capital. But as you mentioned, it's a kind of an either or proposition. Now, the other thing you could say is the move on for Marco Foltz in the summer. And then it makes it a little bit easier. You could hold onto that sixty million dollars cap. Hold from Ruddick bring him back for whatever you want. Or maybe even. Signed him for a little bit less, and then you could have fifteen to twenty million to work with and then you also would still have the room exception as well. So that's that's part of why saying they should try to move Foltz now or maybe they may be in the summer. We'll see what ends up happening that them thrust of the year. I'm not sure necessarily that there's a team that would take him up. But maybe even you know, they could give him up with a second round pick, even a debt might be realistic to do, and they have, of course, plenty of seconds going forward still for this team one of the few assets, they have remaining from the he era, although they got a few more for taking on Wilson Chandler as well. So I think probably cap team. But it all depends on Radic in what they can agree on with him. Yeah. Off the top of my head. This isn't a great free agent class for the type of guy that Philly really needs. I mean, if they could get Danny green that would be really I would love to see what his his can't see defender. I can't wait to see how much he gets in free agency this year. So yeah. Like if you can pull that like somehow. Get Danny green and retain JJ Rettig by all means like whatever whatever it takes to do to do that. Or or you know, and green I believe he's younger than Riddick as well. So you can you can go there. Maybe they. Path through the every Bradley, maybe they I feel like somebody's gonna pay Avery Bradley, not you know, like the some that he wanted regionally. But I, you know, there are enough like people out there that really like every Bradley that I feel like he's going to he's going to be one of the players that gets more money that we expect like that. It's going to be fun. We'll we should do a podcast at some point like those guys like who's going to make more and more money than we would give them because I think Bradley might end up on that list. There's some guys that could help the real quickly here. You know, like a well. Yeah. What's Matthew's, Reggie Bullock? Trevor rees. Justin holiday Tamari, Carol. They can even get like two or three of those guys. They're probably gonna end up needing more depth as well here. Restricted free agent offer sheet to Rodney mcgruder, oh, they probably will be in a situation where they can't wait for that. You know, you mentioned Johnny green, contiguous cull will pope Iman Shumpert like there are guys who fit the archetype of what they need is three D type, Bradley, we mentioned Garrett temple. So and some of those guys obviously are much better than others. But I mean, they really could even stand to get a couple of those guys in the they'll need another option at backup center as while. There'll be plenty of guys around for that. So they are going to have some needs here. I mean, they also would have access to the bi-annual as well if they say over the cap, potentially. So I think probably more likely than not they go under especially, you know, I mean Butler leaves obviously they're going to be under. But yeah, you wanted to move on. Sorry. I I wanted to kind of run through that those listed guys though. No, I think that was a worthwhile exercise. I'm happy. You. Did it the question that I thought was just intellectually? It's the type of thing. I don't think about which was in hindsight should from Popeye in hindsight. Should the Sixers drafted mile- miles purchases a shark replacement. So this posits the idea that the Sixers kind of know where their roster is going before the draft, which I mean, that's just not the way it usually think about it. So I wanted to go through some of the guys that were available when they took bridges member. They traded the pick that was Mikhail bridges for Zaire Smith and at Miami pick. So at the Mikhail bridges spot. You have Mikhail bridges miles bridges shea guilt or salads Zander like a porter who's obviously missed the season. And then you can go you could go further down. And then you could also theoretically applied this question to if they had taken somebody other than Zaire Smith and Gabby miles. Purchase would be would be a compelling fit. I mean athletic guy has been a monster from two point range. I would worry I I don't I don't know enough. I haven't seen enough of this imple- to to see how I feel about his shot. But yeah, I I don't I mean if we knowing everything that was going to change their roster. I think. Would probably still make the trade. Just because we don't know what Miami's going to look like, and maybe you make a different picket sixteen but the marginal difference between Mikhail between miles bridges Zaire Smith plus the Miami pick for me right now. I'm not there yet. But we still haven't seen anything from Zaire. Really are. Let's get to the thirty and twelve Toronto Raptors seven and three in their last ten five point three net rating is six offense of rating is sixth one thirteen that's dropped a little bit defense also dropped a little bit ninth right now, but they do still project for fifty nine wins. And that's because they have the easiest remaining strengths strength of schedule this season per tank Afam start with this from Alfie. Do you see Chris Boucher developing into an NBA caliber player certainly has the athleticism very skinny he's on a to the raptors this year. The warriors were not impressed that much with him. They decided to go. Instead with guys that they felt could help them a little bit more in theory. I don't think that Damian Lee or Marcus Derek sin as better than Bush was I think he was on. On a two year two way. So I don't know why they didn't just hold on him. He was. Yeah. Yeah. They they basically chose Ericsson over Bouche Dirksen is really helped this is really given the the big team in the stretch element. I haven't seen enough Boucher this year to really have a great opinion that to be honest. But certainly if you want to just evaluate him against other two way guys he has more promise than many many of them just because he has a Bs lettuce, which is not something that you can say about a lot of those. It is worth noting that Boucher turns twenty six and a couple of days. So he's also older. And I mean, so how much skill development is really left in there. But I like him. I think that there's a there's capability capability. There is a player the question that I wanted to go to most because I and I still need to do more work on this. I'm not all the way there yet. But it's just important question. We got two different integrations of this and make sense from Marshall boys in from Jason Halley. Basically, why are the raptor so ineffective without Kyle Lowry. And you know, the difference in importance between Lowery and coil Leonard. And. There. Couple different kind of ideas that I have in this one of them just being the way that Kyle recreates is fundamentally different than for VIN bleed and for lawn, right? You know, he can even know Lowry. You know, he's sticking on the Arkle. But he is I would say a better passer than those guys and VIN fleet is more of a complementary piece. Yeah, he can be an attack dog defensively. But I don't like him really creating the initial seem as much so they don't really have a true replacement for what Lowery does and the the way that he can interplay when they have the chance which they haven't had too much recently with quiet kind of each one of them taking lead at a different moments. I think that's really valuable as well. One seventeen offense of ridding with Kyle Lowry on the floor this year with him off the floor negative three point six so yeah that is a stark difference and the offense declines from one seventeen to one or three point five when he is off the floor and part of that is to spend bleed as struggled shooting the ball this year. Right. A heads some injury issues as well. Also, I think the way that that bench unit succeeded was defense and transition a lot last year. And so and it also dropped off as the year went along as well that that bench mob unit vanfleet solid at Dickey's probably better defensively at this point than Lowry is he played one of the better deepens gains. We've seen this year on Steph curry, for example, as the retro blew out the warriors those guys are capable backups. I think part of it is just a bad luck part of it is that Kawai is playing a lot of his minutes with Lowry as well, so Sergio Baca where and they've had Valentina south. There is a solid offense of Senator Baucus gets more spacing as well. Danny green. Also, the you've got the culinary. There were Danny green of is really the one guy in the team was CJ miles. Really struggling. I think that's been a big part of it two miles was really good for them last year and hasn't been able to shoot the ball nearly as well he's been superseded by norm Powell recently. But they just haven't had qu-. Quite enough shooting with those guys out there right is not really a plus shooter play together a lot VIN bleed hasn't tried as while they get all of those things not having as much passing not having that great ability to pull up from deep on the pick and roll who those guys are playing with. I think that all plays into why they've struggled so badly with Lowery off the floor. This year, I have one other name that I think is important to throw out here. And that is PASCAL Siaka. I mean Seok the starter, and he was a big part of the energy and the defensive that second unit. So you look at the d most used lineup without Lowery on the floor is actually still a starter lineup. But if you get into what is really considered a backup one that would be the most used one is Fred Bentley Dhillon rights, EJ, miles, Oji, Nobis, Valentine's. That's just you know, they're certainly has talent on that. But the identity of that group is meaningfully different than last year. And you know, they I think you could make it argument that over the last couple of years, they call lightning in a bottle by player development and having some really good players on that. So, you know, obviously, no slouch they're into Nobis. Also taken a step back this year. So the co linearity I really brought that up just because some of the other players that could help those units just are not playing as much with those unit. Yes, the outcome. I mean, he's been almost seventy percent shooting and pretty decent usage. Like, he he's been a wonderful offensive player as well. This'll be interesting. Can you do a draft of players in Toronto Milwaukee series? This is this is fun. So just for for this year, you know, in a playoff series will say and not necessarily of like, okay? A draft of how they're going to play in that particular series. But just generally as playoff players. I think it's getting a little too Grayndler to talk about that particular series was quite Leonard. I think he's still a I will I will take him over you on us. So your pick. I will too. We might be willing to just do it this way that you all do pick. I'll do a pick. And you we're going to do us like the all star game thing. Yeah. Okay. Well, then that makes it easy for me to take you on us. I mean, the honest is both of our picks for MVP ho, man. So number two is real difficult. So the candidates Lau. Owlry? Siaka Bacchus been awesome. This year. You could throw Middleton in their hoof. I guess I'm gonna go. See aqap out Danny green Kabeer, the I mean, there's so many candidates. This is impossible ship. I guess I'll see if you take Siaka then I'm going to take Chris Middleton and get you know, a rely guy who can get his own offensively and can can defend capably. And since you have Colli than I have Middleton, who's probably the best. So I've Middleton in Janas to kind of go after him. I think that's the best. I can do. Yeah. Well, I guess we're not even necessarily trying to make like a team here. I think we're just sort of ranking? But yeah, I mean, there'd be hilarious all raptors in. You of all you've all box. Oh, man. Well, no, I think my next pick is going to be rap is going to be a rapper. So yeah. Actually, I'd probably we probably should snake draft to I we're out of time. But we're not at the time. I wanna finish this. When this gimme Danny green. I think he he's the guy because there's a lot of other guys who are kind of more replaceable here, but Danny green just to talk to replace that, dude. So for me right now than the choices between Lowery insurgent Baca, and I think a bucket just brings more value over replacement. You know that that he as as a potential to way center can defend can space out the four can be successful there. I trust him more than brook Lopez. And so in some ways, I'm choosing that over the margin between Lowry and Bledsoe. Even though may I Larry obviously, having a better year, and all those type of things I think I would rather have a bucket because there isn't another vodka. Yeah. I mean, we probably could have done this little more, artfully, frankly to actually try to build teams, and there's a lot of ways to think about this of however, it's gonna fit together and all that stuff. I like my team as a team. Yeah. Yeah. Balked goes. A good. One, you know now brook Lopez. I guess me. He's been so good this year too. But I think we're getting to the point here where it's where. Okay. This is a good question. We can kind of do it in the draft concept. How do you see the margin between Lowry and Bledsoe? Because I think that's kind of where we're getting. We're getting here. I think is is way better. I mean, but you know, Lowry, both those guys could be really inconsistent. So no, I mean, I there's an interesting point here in that the raptors have more to me, it was books have pretty good. But I think the bucks just have more guys with weaknesses in particular. Right. Like Ersan Ilyasova, for example, is a guy that I think could really really struggle in a series like this, given the athleticism and the level of intensity. That's that's going to be there. And got you know, a Tony Snell. For example, you know, does to me it doesn't match up as well. With some of the the raptors second unit guys twenty bucks. Don't even have a backup point guard at this point really house brogden gonna fit in. I think that's really interesting as well. But. I mean, they have Brockton and George hill. Oh, yeah. I tried to do fill non sorry. I forgot about that. But I I do I mean, this is we talked about this a Lopa. Are I talked about on Twitter that I think the raptors just have so many more answers for the bucks. Best guys Jaanus and Middleton, then the bucks have for the raptors guys or best guy in particular, Leonard. So I think I would definitely like the raptors in that series. At least at this point in time. We'll see if these rosters change it all got a Bledsoe Lowery series. Just be so combustible because like the both those guys can also make life hard enough on the other guy that they just implode. I feel like it could be it could be wild like blood cell. I could see plus they're just recognized for a gamer to I mean, he has that capability for sure. And I like I like you Baca offensively against Lopez. Baca was outstanding in that game that the bucks are. I'm sorry that the raptors one over the weekend. His ability to find space in the defense in pick and roll and draw Lopez away from the rim. I think is is pretty solid. I let's get to the wizards here. Let's do it. The Washington Wizards are sixteen and twenty four they are four and six since the last fifteen in sixty they are twenty the net rating negative three point six seventeenth offense. Twenty six still future defense five thirty day projects into win thirty six games, which would be ten in the east though, it is worth noting that tenth in the east is one win away from eight in the east, which would of course, be in the playoffs at an five-thirty gives them a forty three percent chance of making the plan which has actually up I think that's up like almost ten percent of the week including that big win. They had over Oklahoma City and that leads into the question. I thought was interesting from Andrew what moves through the wizards need to make to be a playoff team without John wall. And so what I wanted. I wanted to make a couple of than kind of have people visualizes. So if we think it's going to take thirty eight witness to get in sticker five-thirty protection that feels about right to me somewhere in the thirty eight thirty nine range. Depending on how Charlotte handles this absence of Cody Zeller, if it's thirty eight that means the wizards need to play at a forty three wind pace the rest of the season to get there. But there by the way, route when real quickly I would like to quibble with that that is what by thirty eight says, I my guess is it's going to actually maybe take a little bit more because teams are going to be taking down the end. Just everybody is going to win more games. The worst teams are going to get worse. Some we're gonna fall out of it. And just generally while all of those teams individually may project for thirty seven thirty eight wins the ones who do better and make it in. We'll be on the higher end of their production. And in the ones who don't will be on the Lawrence. I think it might be thirty nine wins. You know that that'd be my my production. I mean, I guess that's only one win different. But just as a general proposition. I see I see your argument. But the reason I disagree is. Because all it takes is like one injury to the teams like the heap. Pistons nets to have that number dropped significantly. Because if the magic, especially if they're fall. It doesn't take that much. You know, I really going. So that could weigh it down the other way the league if Kemba misses a month the whole league is really healthy new this year. It seems like yes. Yeah. And even the injuries were seeing are or more to like, I mean like Robert Covington injury ended up being really significant. But you know, he's not the best player on Minnesota ously. So it's been more those flavors of injuries than the real stars going down. And hopefully that continues, you know, hopefully, that's as close as we got. But so let's say it's thirty eight or thirty nine. So it's thirty nine I think they would need to play the forty four forty five one pace to do that. And I think that's possible for the wizards. The they're still a pretty deep team, especially you know, if Jeff green continues playing, well, we'll talk about that more in a little bit and Thomas Bryant has been an important part of their success. So far this year. I would say their biggest need is a capable backup point guard Saturday at skis doing fine, you know, kind of in that role having shifted around a couple times, but they Grunfeld Mitee teach. Randall has the answer. I'd like somebody a little bit better there, obviously be. Great if they could add depth that center, but mimi's doing pretty well. You know think he's been solid Safar. And eventually they'll get Mark Morris back though, that's not for a while. So I would say they don't really need to make any moves right now. But they have to stay healthy because any subsequent injuries would probably kill them. And so Beal porter Saito, Jeff green, I think all those guys really have stale the and they're on they're on kind of dent dancing on the needlepoint at this at this juncture, and I don't think they need to also I don't think they should give up anything other than, you know, getting by guys or something like that. Yeah. Well, they also have a negative three point six rating already and that's twenty fourth in the league. And so they've actually kind of gotten lucky I think to be where they are. So I mean, I think the chance of them playing at a forty three when pace are very very low to me. And if this is what they need just any kind of a big man who can play any kind of defense. So who can get a rebound to their. They've really struggled to rebound. But yeah, this is from Arnie. You wanted to talk about this. When to can you explain the great year that Jeff green is having Jeff going is successful this year. I mean, he he's doing well again. But again as an important part of this. I mean last year he was successful as a member of the Cleveland Cavaliers he green is actually has a lower PR this year he has a higher shooting. But lower usage said the way that interplay works out it's a lower PR for him and his minutes per game pretty similar what I think is really helped Jeff Green's career is the shift from strip small forward largely his Oklahoma City two three four two four. And now he's even playing the last couple of years. He's played about a fifth of his minutes at center and so being a thirty three thirty five percent three point shooter. Looks a lot better. If you're four five than if you're a straight three, and that's helped him a lot still getting to the line a ton, which is great. And but the concern about about the year that he's having is that this is the best Jeff green year in terms of field goal percentage at the rim and from Florida range, and when a player has both careers, and both of those things you think that it could there could be a step back coming because. You know in in your thirties. You don't usually get to the rim for the best for the best successive your career. So if you takes a little bit of step back there that would hurt his efficiency, especially when he's also shooting thirty five percent from three which is better in his career on the highest proportion of threes of our we've got about two minutes left here at the wizards were able to take their way into a top three pick this year. Could you see them coming back next year being a serious competitor in the east provided that walls? Okay. No. Because rookies almost never helped their teams even top three picks even Zion. It's hard to believe in him a ton as a prospect, but given some fit issues and just having to play NBA defense. I don't know that he makes enough of a difference to be a serious competitor. To me serious. Competitor is top three team a team that you realistically could see getting the finals. I don't see that happening under any circumstances. Really? I was going to make a joke about Zion playing the four next Dwight, and I just got to sad. So. Oh, good. Be team to your good up to this one. We can do very quickly. What do you see Thomas? Ed rand ski getting in free agency over the summer. He will be restricted I eat, oh, we talked about every I've mentioned Avery Bradley being a guy that would make more money than I expect. I think Saturday is gonna make less just for whatever reason people discount is contributions, but you know, solid bench player. I hope he can get five six million year. I actually think he could be worth more than that. I haven't really gone through like through his numbers. But I think he's gonna get undervalued not only because of you know, the kind of the weird role. He's had but also because restricted free agents if they're not of that group that somebody's falls in love with them. They're almost always gonna underpaid teams, right? You could see him coming back on maybe a slight or as the good news for him is that his qualifying offer will be a little bit higher since he's making three million a year. So one hundred twenty five percent of that to be a little bit less than four million so hard to see him making less than that on an annual basis. But, you know, something along the lines of like three years. There's twelve million. I think is where it could end up unless he ends up getting an offer sheet would a pick in the five to ten range be enough to dump John wall ass Patrick Hughes. I don't think so it's so much money. And and just Wigan make this action that would have to be in place wouldn't make sense for the wizards to do. I don't think I think you just you take that pick and hope that the guy turns out good, and that you know, these guys can get back to being, you know, lower lower level playoff team, and you can build some excitement with that guy in the mix as well. All right. I think we can call it here as and the clock agrees with me that was two hours and forty minutes of recording time, obviously will be a little bit shorter when we actually release it. But yeah, glad we could bring this to you on a Tuesday. And we'll probably be back think Thursday because we're doing the NBA Cass tomorrow. We'll be back Thursday finish up our awards catch up on some news talk a little bit about the games on Wednesday night as well. So probably released that during the day on Thursday is at least the current plan. So we will talk to ya. Paul then have an awesome day.

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Podcast (04/02/19)

Boomer & Gio

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Podcast (04/02/19)

"This is Seth Payne. I played a long time in the NFL. And now, I talk about it three times a week on the deceptively fast podcast. I bring you the biggest football stories in a light hearted, but in-depth manner, but also the world of health and fitness and a bunch of interviews with successful people from all walks of life. You're going to hear from current players and coaches as well as my former teammates and experts from the national media subscribed today. It's the deceptively fast podcast on radio dot com. Why three investors Bank studio? Cobra sizing rightey dotty Wilmer and geo on the fan and simulcast cross the country on CBS sports network. Good Tuesday morning. The New York Yankees continued to deal with bad injury news now Giancarlo Stanton on the injured list and more seriously Miguel and do our aid torn or slightly torn labor room in his right shoulder that could still require surgery. A could still have miss an extended period of time in clinic out for the rest of the year. The Mets another nice night for them. And then I signed for Pete Alonzo that guy continues to be a story all things are good in their world for now. Good morning, boomer. Our you. A good a lot better than the Antes are doing. That's the sure and it is a it's big stories ban. I mean, this is both Stanton. And and a warriors or maybe dumper for the sooner that you said, and I just it's like the worst of all possible scenarios the aggies. And when you take a look at their injury list, you see what looks to be like an all star team right now sitting on the sideline and to harbor Tanzaia's while ellsbury, regardless Hicks Montgomery, don't forget about him right now. The Luis Severino Stanton. Now. Ouch. Jean Carlos Stanton. Jarl? I know and I'm gonna start. But I'm just saying that that is just I mean that is like the worst news the Yankee Bank wake up to this morning. I may just it's just awful news. And you know, by the way, I'd love the way that. What's an Aaron judge is reacting told us, he's just matter of fact aid next man up. Let's go has got the Bill bell. Check thing going on right now. He is he's steady. He's got to be the leader. And he's got to be the guy that sets the tone, and then the guy's like Gardner and Sanchez go yard yesterday. They beat a bad team her mom gives him a pretty good outing as those Stephen Matt's for the New York batch and Peter Lonzo hits four hundred forty four foot bombed down the right out in the deepest parka part of the field down there. So yesterday while you had some bad news for the keys. They still won the Mets won and way we go. I the Anki fan I feel bad because your team is falling apart in front of your eyes for the Mets fan me. I'm very happy because somebody is finally living up all the expectations that we've had for. Let's hold on a second. And we were talking about a couple of games which have been great by living off to all the expectations after after game one again. Sure Zor, and he looked like he was a little bit in over his great, right? And it gets his first at late in that game. I remember we had a call. Our forget who it was said that that maybe that last hit in that opening day gave him a little bit of confidence that he needed. And then, of course, Brodie van wagon and had a conversation with him after game one about putting the barrel on the ball. And that's always been doing since. Then he's been raking in that home run yesterday. Man that thing jumped off his bat. I mean, it was like a batting practice homerun. Yeah. He doesn't seem like a guy who's going to completely fall off the stuff that you've seen from him. How hard he hits the ball. Wary hits the ball that stuff seems sustainable, but you know, I can't be fooled in a couple of games to think that he's going to be a mainstay forever. I'm really really happy with what I've seen. But you've got Mickey Callaway going. He's really freaking K. Can I say, and I just enjoy the? Moment, man. There's that. Enjoy the moment you have to kill the moment. 'cause you say finally living up to expectations. I can't say it yet every single met Ben every single met Ben out there that could hear me and hear my voice knows exactly what I'm talking about. We finally got a guy that is living up to the promise that he was supposed to deliver. Now, I don't care about stupid nicknames. I don't care about polar bears want care about pallbearers sensitive. All right. I've been called a polar bear myself at times. But I'm just saying I just I'm happy that this kid hit this home run last night when he hit it. And how far he hit it. And it just kind of adds a little bit too. I'm not oversee about saying he's gonna be the MVP the NFL. You said Glen living up to expectations. You can't say this. And I finally got a guy not meaning him specifically. But I finally got a guy is living up to the expectations that we had from. That's why we wanted to see him last year. Yeah. I went insane. And I wanted to see him. That's fair to hits a bomb last night. And we wanna game right. I'm happy. I feel good about it. And I'm not gonna let you take me down. I'm not trying to take you down about feeling good about the game. It was just the one statement of. This guy's finally living up to expectations. I've made this reference a couple of times last I r- DRAM Zayas, we fought all h high. Now, let me finish comparing him to Adrian. I'll tell you why. Because I thought that Adrian Gonzales going to be total mess he came out in the first week or so and look like he could still hit again. And then fell completely off. I'm just saying that in a samples out of a couple of games. Whether you're a young player an old player. You can't make the termination on them. After a couple of games you want to tell me the all star break he's finally given up to expectations fine. You could say that he's been great so far in every at bat for Mets fans with pita. Lonzo is absolutely a must watch Scituate. Are you taking the joy out of my life? Doing what you're doing? I bring on in temporary anything let me enjoy it. Okay. And I want to enjoy it. I want to be happy about it. I want to feel good about it. Right. And I do this morning. And you're not going to take me down. I say new Yankee fan, I know so impacted by these injuries and all the news and everything around the Yankees that you're not going to allow me to enjoy something that for me. Anyway is been a long time coming. I'm sorry. You know, we've had caz matches octa whatever the hell is Matt sui. Whatever the hell has Zooey. We've had by the way homered in his first at bat. But did he live up to your expectations after that? Nope. Don't you? Remember when we signed him. It was like oh my own. We've got the next great guy on any homered in his first day back Ray as they could up. The great starts when they were young men. That's why they got the contract extensions. They got and all that other stuff. We've had Matt Harvey that dark night. We've had no Syndergaard come in looking like he's pumping iron. You know? I I got a guy that. No comes in has a little bit of juice behind him. And you want to just absolutely take that happiness and what I saw last night away. That's that's not what I reacting in the moment. You know that? That's that's not in the moment. I and I believe that. I saw something last night that I haven't seen in a while. It's all yeah. And he is he has been great so far. And as I've said that I believe that what we're seeing from him is going to be sustainable. I just can't say that he's finally living up to expectations. But really the stories have the Yankees are going to deal with these injuries and how serious Miguel and do is because it was so far the Yankees have dealt with a lot of stuff. But there hasn't been that really really bad one yet. The Severino stuff, of course, could be really bad hasn't been you have DD Gregoire's been out for a while. We knew that already just minor things that are here there that that's a, but we knew that already. I know, but he'll be back. But we knew that one read all the stuff to a Lewinsky, right and the, but right? But we knew that already all the stuff that's happening. The spring has been minor stuff. Just been adding up. So I just wanted assign Machado I told joss tough. Yeah. I knew you know, we're going to hear that from callers want to hear that. Right. And these things happen in sport injury. It's not like, you know, if begin into our went out and had a healthy season. And had like a Gary Sanchez your last year where he's sitting under two hundred guys a mess. Then you could say, yeah, we should assign Manny Machado and trade to Miguel and do our because the guy got hurt. You cannot say that nobody has any idea the guys dive and back into third. He ends up tearing his labor them minorly as they're saying right now, but he ends up doing that that that of the thing you cannot predict. So to me if anybody calls up and says, Manny Machado was the way that they should have gone because look what happened. We had. No, I I'm just not enough that I'm just saying like you have to guys Stanton and who are have injuries in dopey fashion. Right. I mean, one dive and back in third the one swinging, you know, and it's unfortunate. But you know, injuries report a sportsman. I just I just like Erin Judd's maturity about the whole thing. Just matter of fact, you know, next man up. Let's go at it is time for other guys to pick it up to. That's right. That's exactly right. Well, the find really interesting the two guys that get cold up after these injuries or two guys who have wanted opportunities and had not complained in a sense, but have been outspoken about not being able to have that opportunities and Clint Frazier and Tyler Wade now Clinton Frazier's a guy who's dealt with many injuries. But he's been frustrated by all sorts of reasons that he hasn't been here. Now, he's gonna get his shot. And then Tyler Wade, we just heard him a couple of weeks ago after the acquisition of Mike Tuchman that he's going down, and he wasn't satisfactory to the Yankees and how that pissed him off. And he was vocal about it. Well, now, you're back. And now you got another opportunity. I don't love the fact that the Yankees have to count on Troy to Lewinsky as much now count on some of these guys as much now. But Aaron judge is still there you see Gary Sanchez at another home run yesterday. There's enough. There to piece it together. If the pitching keeps it together and Domingo Mon was great last night. So there's enough there. It's just that losing and do hard. Then you re. We can't freak out about a season long injury right now. But if it ends up being season law, you got you got to start thinking like that. If you're the Yankees, and how the hell you doing? This is why you signed DJ LeMay too as well. Right. You're to be part of this. Yeah. This is going to be a big part of it. He's gonna have a huge opportunity here. And like, I said, you know, just go out and just do your job take care of your business and don't worry about anything else and good that they're planning to Detroit Tigers right down because the team that they should beat their better team than even with the injuries. So I I don't know what to tell you than it's just sportsman. It is what it is. And you got to hope that these young kids come up, and they take advantage of their opportunities. It's pretty it's pretty simple. Yeah. It is amazing though it every year here this stuff. So, you know, the Yankees sign LeMay Hewitt's, well, where's he going to play this go crowded infield already? And then all of a sudden this God's gonna end up being an everyday player for him. Tyler wait. Oh, they're sending me down. I don't know. What to do? I thought I did enough. And then it's just a couple of days later, the guys up, but he's basically going to be the guy who have. To Lewinsky needs a day off for Troy Lewinsky's is someone who is struggling that's going to be Tyler wage jobs. So every single year you deal. There's too many starters. What do we do about the goes down? Luis severino. Goes it's the Yankees right now are that team that has run into a whole hell of a lot of bad luck early on and lucky that it's early on. And hopefully is not a bunch of season ending stuff in there in much rather have to deal with this stuff in April than if you're sitting in August-September wonder, if you're going to get Aaron Darren judge back enough time for the postseason like he did last year on today's eight Tanaka Tuesday, by the way, it is. It is he's back on the hill and her mom gave you a good solid five innings last night. The question is do we see Joe Gonzales or do? We see GIO Gonzalez anytime soon. Again, you know, they are mixing and matching. And I'm sure the analytics department over there Yankee stadium's working overtime. And they're trying to find other guys out there that may may fit this team. I mean, depending on what the injury situation looks like long-term, but short term, it's just, you know, head down to your job and win behind Tanaka tonight. You're a so that's that's that's job one right there. And that's all that's about as simple as it gets. And that's all the guys in uniform can be thinking about they can't be thinking about losing their teammates or any of this other stuff. They just got to think about going out and doing their jobs and keeping their heads down. Now. I remember we heard the Severino stuff at the rotator cuff, you thought that that was really bad news that he was dealing with anything like that. When you hear any sort of terror in a labor them for a guy in his throwing shoulder that can't be sounding anything. Good like anything. Good depends on how significant the terrorism whether or not they think that rest and rehab will rehabilitate it, you know, the other thing too is it's not just throwing it's also swinging at the everything you do with your shoulder is just. Basically, you know, just it's so frustrating for the player, you know, especially into her a young kid who's got an opportunity of a lifetime here pionk for the keys, and now all of a sudden this happens, and you just if you're Yankee fan what you're hoping is a month. Maybe you can get through a month without him, and he has no surgery, and it's just rehab and rest, and we'll will love picks itself. But it depends how bad the terrorists the terrorists significant then they're going to have to go in and they're going to have to surgically repair. It. Forget it these dumb. He's done for the year. Yeah. Just sucks. The guys is good as he was last year. Someone who was right there rookie of the year coming back high expectations dive and back into a bag. It's just it's terrible. Luck happens. They every team. But it's terrible luck. I'm sure that Al is going to have to deal with at least, I don't know twenty to thirty phone calls of people have torn their labor games. They're going to call up. You might even have one on the line right now ready to go telling us about the rehab process, and how long it will take guys who have torn it gotten surge. Gery guys who toured who did not get surgery guys who tore LeBron's in their other shoulder can't really speak to what it's like to be in. There throwing shoulder. So prepare yourself for that. Because there's no doubt that you're going to have all the labor dares will become an underground today. Just like when Joe beningo had a hip replacement every man in the tri-city area there hip replacement. Gold up Joe and told them how long it took him to get back on the golf course that will be. But at least that makes more sense because none of those colors professional athletes with the best care in the world. The was the David Wright injury. Everyone had that stenosis, spinal stenosis. Yes. Yeah. That's. He's a guy. He's one of the guys at spinal stenosis as well. Oh my goodness. Yeah. So mask you. This question why you're sending by your microphone doing nothing because you're not answering phone the phones right now when you were watching pita Lonzo last night. Did you have the same feeling that I had like, wow, we finally got something here? I had the more cautious feeling that GIO had to so nervous. Always the beginning of the year by last night. You mean this morning at his desk? That's right. That's what I watched everything. Well, that's all right, right. Whatever is fresh mind. Yeah. Because obviously, we're sleeping. You did not say it. But you knew the answer coming in this morning that they did win. I did. Yeah. All accounts. Mickey Callaway would have been roasted this morning had Ahmed resort. Yo hit into a double play after he asks wall. The Gars the bunt twice. I believe he asked him to bunt twice to run our, right? So then he gets hit by a pitch. And it was really a break for the Mets that he gets the first base Nimmo strikes out. You don't ask them the bunt? And now all of a sudden here comes Rosario if hits. And a double play. I know this morning people can be killing Mickey Callaway. Yeah. Without a doubt that young man came through last night. So it was good. So it took us manager off the hook and then Alonzo hits bomb, right? And then when working self into a little jam, and then decides that he wants to show up and then strikes three guys out in a row. So it's amazing. How that works closer needs a closer situation. Sometimes I so. A non save situation. I'll just load the bases up for elevate. Just to have some fun, and then blow all these guys away in the first strikeout, by the way that pitched it he'd swinging swinging amiss in the first one that was way out of the zone guy. Could've walked a run could've come in. And the whole wheels gonna come off. So he got bailed out this department said the jets mcmeel should play last night. Yeah. That's another part of this right in this guy is every single night for the time being he needs to be in the lineup until proven otherwise pretty good idea. Why Davis was traded by the Astros JD? Davis yet see him at third basis does a little bit of funky going on there. Just a little bit. It's the morning show with Boomer Esiason and Gregg giannotti, boomer and geo will get to a seal Dane, just a second every time. I see the Mets play the Marlins down there in Miami. I think about what a terrible investment it was for that. Jeeter group to go in on that team. Then building dark weird even now they're trying to change. Change it because they moved the sculpture outside. So that's not in there any longer. They changed the logo and try to put a lipstick on a pig. Whatever the phrase cheats, terrible juiston, bad, bad investment. There's nothing you can do now even so let's say turn to the Houston Astros, tear it down. Nobody's paying attention. All of a sudden build up and win a championship. You've been people show up there for a little bit. Okay. Fine. It's below average. It is it is below average. But it is a it's just. Last night. Oh my God. He's going to say six, but the announced and what the actual attendance was I gave it the attendance numbers from three of their four games against the Rockies embarrassing. I thought at least, you know, with the Mets in town and Alonzo and everything else that maybe they would gain, you know, a little bit more momentum. And have maybe about fifteen thousand now seem like six to me sitting six or seven. Yeah. Sixty four eighty nine. Yeah. Lot of their five games. So while terrible. I mean, I know what they're trying to do. And they're going to try to build the thing up and have a consistent winner there with the rules of baseball these days and young controllable players, but they have to be losing so much money for what they spent the by that team. I don't know. Hey, rose, very very low. So bought the team for. Yeah. I understand that. But they're also making their money back on national TV markets and all the national. They're all part of the revenue sharing revenue sharing and all that other stuff. So it was one point two billion. They bought that team over a billion dollars for data while the stadium came with it. I I'm sure that they have concerts there and other other events there. Yeah. I guess I don't know doesn't see my pro sports. The me when I watched the Mets play down there. I don't care just win. I don't care what it looks like just win the game. That's all I care about see low is here with it update. What are you gonna see low? Brought to you by laborers, local seven three one field of power and the Yankees right now on the power of the injury bug here in the first week of April two more key names to the I L before last night's game against the Tigers even began Giancarlo Stanton. The grade one vice sept- strain suffered on what Aaron Boone called a funky. Swing in Sunday's lost. The Orioles shut down for ten days. They hope to have him back by the end of this month ago, and do our small labor them tear in his right shoulder. Also suffered Sunday diving back into third base far more concerned with him. They'll treat it conservatively for a couple of weeks. See how he responds but season ending surgery is a possibility Boone, obviously, hoping they can avoid that his physical test with the doctor is actually really good. So there is some optimism that if treated conservatively he can respond income back and play those tests showed some strength in the shoulder. Meantime, Clint Frazier and Tyler Wade both recalled from Scranton where they had just arrived for the start of the AAA season. Wait, actually, took an Uber from Scranton. And he told the driver to floor. It. He arrived at the stadium and the seventh inning to see the Yanks finish off the Tigers three two one, including a web gem in the ovi- knows to one swung on and law into right field. A diving catch is made by judge throws the second. Aaron judge saved a Basit, and at least the bases loaded. No one out John, sterling. That was his left worst tackling. Might get over that risks man and don't get up hold in your hand. But you guys a stuntman is that's a leader right there GIO. Yeah. I know he is you could be like done on our softball team. If you wanna be well, this is my -tunities this year. I don't want to be like judge. I guess where does that leave you? Well, I'm a pitcher. So I'm more like Jake degrom. That's what I am near five minute. I should've Jake degrom. I am. But because I'm managing and pitching at the same. That's what I mean. You're the year the mixture ever last year. Didn't you think? I'll at least I thought it was a great job. Thanks, you more. Like, I remember the reliever on the Braves in the seventies. Alhough brow? Sqi the mad Hungarian. Yes. You're like that guy like the med. Like, the med Garin. Oh, yeah. What does that mean? I don't know how to take your your yelling at everyone when you get on the mound. You're that. You're edible. Norwegian norwegian. I like that better. I do like that better when you brush guys back and slow pitch softball. Thank you quick pitch pitch to get. Well, I'm trying to keep them off balance. Because I know you guys are not ready kind of keep that taste of movements which China do, of course, an hour. I'll tell you what rob Manfred loved me when I play with the before you're going to meet team because I keep lying because they always beat us is that why that we beat them the show those though. Yeah. Was one game last game. Yeah. I played like garbage. Oh, that's right. You suck that took it home with me. I was miserable. The whole we were competitive for the first time. Yeah, we should have one. That's the problem. It sucks. It was the last one to because it's bad taste. We gotta wait till what late July or. I gotta tell ya, Jerry, Jerry. You didn't get this over the man. That's what I'm talking about. Juries buddy. Honey badger had a terrible season. He had a horrendous. CJ was a little down funnier. And he may be a stand up comedian. But he has gained was terrible crash at Honey badger. He's he's an all or nothing guy. He's looking at trying to take people out in the outfield even afraid of about. Saying something for sure anyway at amount of worked out of further. Trouble there in the eighth at home runs for Gary Sanchez and Brett Gardner aroldis. Chapman saved it for Domingo's. Vermont. You've got the start after all no opener and he delivered five innings of one hit seven strikeout ball. Here's Bouma credit to Mingo for going out. There wasn't perfect by any means with some of the walks, obviously. But he gave us while we needed free passes, but still only needed seventy nine pitches across the five frames judge with that diving catch and right field. He's sees these injuries mounting early in the season is what it is got a power through the biggest thing when you go well machine everyone's doing their part, and you know, doing their job, you know, we're gonna be pretty well. So that's all we need to step up and just just a little that's a leader GIO. I'll tell you handle it rocking the beats and the Panthers usually no panic on whatsoever. Thanks, two and two. They said Masahiro Tanaka to the mount tonight opposed by Jordan Zimmermann pregame on the fan again in early one at five fifty five in Miami. Big ninth-inning rally sent the Mets pass the Marlins the second. Writer to the belt is first pitch Alonzo, crushes one of the air deep to right center. This is career. Or do a three run Homer at a right center field. We rose base. About that. Ceelo is he gets keep the ball. 'cause there's nobody there to get it. That's right. He added after the game after the game put it in a lock box baby. Let's go under and forty four feet opposite field. Just after Edwards REO snap. Two three three times with an opposite field. RBI single Edwin has loaded the bases with no one out in the ninth. But struck out the side nail down seven to three victory. Mickey Calloway fired up about that ninth-inning rally. Pinch it go. The other way against the shift. Rosie come up go the other way, they're shifting Pete. And he tries to stay through the ball. And he hits a bomb to center because the Roach chili Davis affect it is it's exactly what is this. What they've been talking about all spring God, baby. And now can they just keep doing it? That's all. Yeah. I mean it scoring runs like this. I mean, I'd be shocked. If this continues to go again, I would. Yes questions. Unbelievable. Negative. I mean, they were eleven one lend. Yeah. I gotta get through company didn't have to out hits during the every and they came back. Remember they were down and gave back here. I can't. I mean, what about the year they off like an eight start when we go back to that year. Well, we just like because I wasn't lashed. I don't care we want. It doesn't matter. I'm happy. I think the different vibe obviously, had some of the younger guys contributing here. So it's not, you know, as drubel Cabrera that's leading the way here. I'm not saying, it's bad. It's not going to go crazy. Else hidden Alonzo or area come on side out RBI single yesterday. No one was more smoke and mirrors. Somehow, they they did it and salt and pepper shakers. Yeah. Just play some baseball though Davis at third basis. Like, that's what your shop. He does pita. Lonzo look like a superstar to like, you know, when Aaron judge came up. It was doing what he was doing. He was like that guy. Looks like a superstar Pete Alonzo. Look like do you see him as a butcher? Yeah. He just looks like regular, dude, right? Kim a guy mean strong, obviously, he's a bull. Yeah. He just looks like a polar bear, right? The regular, dude. He doesn't he doesn't have that star aura Garin judge when you see all my God look at that guy. Even before he wasn't even like a huge prospect for him. He was one of the prospects of coming up. It was like people were talking about other guys. And then yes, we're talking about Gary Sanchez and gleyber Torres after they made the trade. Yeah. Yeah. So I I don't know. We'll see we will. I got a smell them too. Bullman? I'd say he probably didn't smell too good last night. He really put together quite the game meal to celebrate eggs barbecue sauce, manny's Year shaving cream, maybe catch up and mustard, maybe maybe relish like. Like a watt. Zev all taste is were stinging like what really bad guess what that was all they jammed the space. We put them in a shopping cart rolled them into the shower and through all that on them as a little celebration for his first career home run. I like that kind of stuff. That's when you're winning do those. How many times have I told you that it's about chemistry and the I don't yes, absolutely chemistry. Got about you. I'm afraid that what you would call it. The bullying people are going to come out and hear all about him getting eggs in the face and the mustard and ketchup. Okay. Say fun, right. You'll get those bullying you rookies. Now, I don't like it's bad culture culture, bullying the guy that had a four hundred and forty four foot home run to the opposite field. I think at the are they did benefit from a couple of calls in this one. Specifically one the garrison that ninth-inning attempting to bunt on his own mind you to strike was on. I don't know about the earlier attempts to strikes Calloway said he was on his own. They were discussing that yesterday. Gary and keep them those guys. I'm just like all right. Who knows right? So they rule these hit by the pitch even though replays appeared to show the ball hit the bat. Don Mattingly felt should have been a strikeout and not happy with the firing through. I guess I'm not supposed to complain about calls or whatever. But the league needs a look at it because it was shaky signing took issue with the strike zone in the second inning. Which led to the Mets? I run of the nightly lagaras homered, and it's one Jeff McNeil doubled. Michael Conforto to for three and we'll see what Jason Vargas can do tonight opposed by Jose Arena at seven ten. Mothers scores of note Red Sox lost again shut out by the a seven nothing. Boston. One in four Astros top the Rangers two to one the razor foreign one beat the Rockies seven to one. And the Orioles edge. The Blue Jays six to five story here is that Baltimore's. First your manager Brandon Hyde lifted starter David Hess after six and a third no hit innings. He had eighty two pitches. And here was has on his decision. She's me hide on his decision. Also, tough walk. There's no doubt about it. Like I said because I've been involved in a couple, and I mean, there's nothing like it hasn't pitched in relief against the Yankees Thursday, forty two pitches. So we felt on short rest. He didn't want to go any further one. But it's a twenty five year old kid thrown a no hitter and he had had to take him out of the game. So they have to dig them out of the game. No, I'm saying the kid had to be taken out of the game. As in like, he didn't have a decision to make obviously. Yeah player. Yeah. I know. I mean, I to me it's one of those. He's not in trouble. And he looks like he's cruising. Forget about what the hell happened. I I don't know. I mean, we've seen it also Johann Santana were basically ruined his career tough spot. I had to have a no hitter. Yeah. Dupin big press conference in Cleveland yesterday after Odell Beckham shooter made his first appearance at the Browns facility. So to be good OB j Jarvis Landry. Baker Mayfield lying Myles Garrett at ks. Why I get everybody fired on. So he and Landry, obviously, our buddies. And then they had the last two first overall draft picks of they're showing off their young goods that they've got. So those were the four you had up there the day. This is going to be very active a while to come to grips with being traded from New York to Cleveland, it just as a lot. I don't even know how to describe it. But it's just a lot of emotions a lot of thoughts run through your mind. Life changing. But now that the does self awareness. Yeah. How about realizing that like the wake of crap that you left behind you. There wasn't a lot of talk about that uprising. Because he's on a high right now with a new team, and he's got his buddy Jarvis there. And he's got you know, he's going to be point with Baker Mayfield. And it's going to be awesome. They're going to be the story of the of the of the year going into the year. Yes. The question is can all these unique personalities come together and create team. Well, I think that will remain a story because if it goes the other way in a negative way and people are gonna be talking about too. I think they'll be the most talked about team without question. Yeah. No matter how it goes. Do you think they're going to get that Sunday night opener against the patriot? I do I I think that they'll end up with the patriots. And I also think I think the Pittsburgh beats them this year twice. I wouldn't be surprised because I think both the giants and the Steelers believe I believe are going to benefit from getting rid of rid of their distraction players. I think they'll be better teams because of it. I think they're quarterbacks are going to be just as good. And hopefully, if the giants better than he has been without an I can't believe I'm even saying that because Odell is a supreme town. He is we know that. But there's just it takes too much work to pass by those guys every week all week, and they always separate themselves. You know, when it comes to, you know, the media the social media, you know, all the nonsense that goes on their world. So good riddance. There's somebody else's problem now. And maybe a good problem for the Browns with Baker Mayfield. But for the giants and the Steelers I think they're going to be better teams without them believe it or not for the time. Being Beckham says he's excited I'm very thankful opportunity. You know, it'd be here kind of the peasants because it was definitely shock. I thing I've come to grips with everything and processed everything. I sounds like Landry was actually rip yet come to career versus what a lot of drama. I we I don't think I've ever talked about a player more about trading him over the last two years than we did about Odell Beckham junior even before the contract. Sure. Well, yeah. I mean that was that was the thing before the contract that discussion started even after the. Contract didn't stop. I mean when does that happen with a player, they just signed him to the richest deal of wide receivers ever seen? And we're still talking about didn't have about. Talked about now that could trade them because at least they have cost certainty now. Right. And you can't do anything about it. Now. The question is is does he want to contract from Cleveland that come up yesterday? Did you hear any of that? I did not catch anything about. Remember what Ian Rapoport reported the day or the night of the trade was that he's going to want a new contract Antonio Brown. Yeah. Raiders. Just starting new contract knows man, but Landry very emotional about the whole thing. He describes himself as a blubbering mess is cry. Call him. Talk to John cry with John cry, Freddie, representing the GM. When they signed you, quiet. Freddie kitchen. Tossing out crying foot. Great. See? All right. A little now. Crying foot. Freddie kitchens would agree. Here's what he thinks to hill. De hail to hill. That guy's gonna be a sound bite for Verschoor lives about it. I one last one no tears for Mayfield. He reacted like a typical alpha male had two people at the house sitting there when I found out. I just started screaming just yelling like you have thought I was on the field on game day a lot of excitement for the Browns. We'll see how it all plays out typical NBA game in Brooklyn. Nets trail the bucks by twenty two in the first half. Take the lead lose by ten one thirty one one Twenty-one and this on a night where the pistons heat magical loss losses. Well, she got status quo in the east for those last three playoff spots. Knicks beat the bulls one thirteen one oh five Maple Leafs over the islanders at the Coliseum. Two to one John Taveras had the game winner his forty six of the season and the devils beat the Rangers for two to. All right. Thanks ceelo eats the morning show with Boomer Esiason in Gregg giannotti, boomer and geo lessen our Christian laid there is going to join us in studio. The man had a documentary named Afrin that said, I hate Christians. Late news for not popular of a college basketball player. He was we'll talk to him about Duke his career and all that stuff. A lot of baseball though to sift through this morning with the Yankees injuries and the Mets winning which is amazing that those things are happening at the same time. Usually it's a Mets injuries and the Yankees winning for the early ports of the twenty nine thousand nine season. It is the Mets winning and the Yankees injuries to Joey in. Woodbridge New Jersey starts us off this morning on the fan. What's up, Joey good morning? Jio? What is what's up Joey? Well, first thing is I wouldn't be surprised to find out today. Agreed with tours is on the deal because he came up holding his wrist and his thumb after that talion second you guys saw that yesterday. Yeah. There was a scare with him. There was a scare with judge. So now, everybody's on pins and needles because of what you've seen early on. But yeah, let's hope for the best there. But as far as third base if we do get Newsday end ours out for the season. We're the heck to the Yankees go from here, you can say ride LeMay who for the trade deadline you cash on the phone tomorrow. Do you think they move someone over or do they have a prospect that can bring up because there's a lot of options they have here at third base? And I just I think Cashman, I think he's going to have to move quick. If you want someone maybe treat someone like bird to someone in there, you guys. Yeah. I mean, that's an interesting one usually deals don't happen like that trades with teams early on in April. This is a special circumstance, what might be some panic, but Brian Cashman, built the depth or reason. So if they were injuries he'd be able to have replacements. They feel good about LeMay Huby in everyday player. They're going to have Tyler way. But they what. DJ, but but they want so for the time being that man, right? There will be in the lineup every day. Sure. Well, I think if you see struggles from him Strong's from two Lewinsky, and maybe the Stanton injured list stint is longer than you than you wanted. And maybe Brian Cashman has to do something. But right now, the answers are gonna come from in house. So maybe the trade deadline as a right now. The answers are coming in. You know, that's why you have depth. Yeah. So important have depth dep-. It is. Joe in New Jersey. What's happening Joe? Hey, guys. Good morning. I just wanted to say how absolutely loved the chemistry that Alonzo and Smith or having, you know, it could've really went bad haven't in both on this on the roster at the same time. And also, you know, I think canot is building and showing such leadership in that in that clubhouse. It's I think it's going to be a world of difference from last year to this year, and I can be any happier. I'm not getting too excited yet because we all know what can happen. But I absolutely in love with the way everything's going so far, and I just have one more thing couldn't be any more happier than hearing that the playmaker. My boy. Michael Irvin is one hundred percent, healthy and cancer free. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. You know, we never did update that story at a caller call up and ask about it last week. He did go get those tests for throat cancer. And he is clean. So all is good there. His father had passed away from throat cancer was a concern of his. So obviously that is really really good news for Michael Irvin. We hope to see him back on TV as soon as possible for the two thousand nine football season. But yeah, I mean when you watch these first four games with the Mets. Yeah. It feels great right now. I just I can't blame anybody. That's got the same thoughts. As me that it's everything's perfect. You don't want anything to change even the loss that they had seemed like something that there was something good. There's Mickey Calloway said, but I just let's relax even with another injury. Like the Yankees have just had. It's another reason why they need to keep up to first baseman with the obviously the injuries at the Mets have in the infield. That's why they're able to keep to first baseman. So there is a little bit of a silver lining. That's associated with some of this stuff. Be interesting to see what happens when Hicks comes back because then you gotta start moving people around. And I'm sure either. Frazier or Wade will be sent back down. But as of right now, those young kids are going to have a chance, so they're going they're going to be put into high leverage situations, and they're going to have a chance to be a contributor to the keys when they thought they weren't going to be right? So this all happens at all these things happen to all the teams all the sports that we see. But like like the islanders right now dealing with significant injuries. But the worst time. Yeah. Right. The worst, but they're still playing tough. They're still, you know. Keep their stolen games are going to be you know, it's gonna take everything every man up to beat the Pittsburgh Penguins in the in the the playoffs. It's just going to be an insane attempt to overcome Sidney Crosby and have Guinea Malkin and Murray and all the, you know, the guys that have won the cups before and honors are going to have to raise their level of their game. Without a couple of their key pieces. You know, you just reminded me of something I stopped by my parents house yesterday. And there's a guy there getting outside of their house painted, and I pull up in Kara get out of the car. He goes, hey is Rangers won the last couple of games. What the hell we do what we lost last night. I know but this is before the game. So this is so stupid without doing what they're doing what they're doing. They're they're making they're taking their opportunity if you're young player, and you have an opportunity you all you'd think about is winning that game and show an effort and showing the coach that you belong for next year. And that's a problem when you have young player to Pinar. Which is a very good chance that you can win the game. You know now last night, they lose an Henrik's back in net. And you know, he's not part of the young Rangers. He's part of the old guard. You know, I know it's tough. Let's go to Leo in Long Beach is going on Leo what's going on and guide on the big Yankee fan. I to you know, I'm freaking out a little bit. But everybody needs to remember that DJ LeMay, you is a former batting champion is a stud infielder everybody. Complains that the Yankees had a home run. Yeah. He's a home run. They don't want but DJ Mayhew hits your average steals bases. He's a professional baseball player now while I miss anything. Hot. Don't start bagging on DJ. Lemay you as a backup? They are fine at third base for the time being they are good to go one hundred percent. And that's why Brian Cashman signed him. You know, you just you just never know. And that's why Brian Cashman deserves a lot. You look the injuries that have nothing to do with the general manager, but the depth and the players that they have replacing the guys that get hurt that has everything to do with the general manager. But but they thing Mathoma Tomas home, but they. Bream? Teen teaching Moco, but but they. Gainging after dark on a fat jink teen teen, teen brain. But but they Matthew. Jay team. Johny toronto. What boomer and geo on the fans CBS sports network eats the morning show with Boomer Esiason and Greg nutty, boomer and geo. So the eighty six mex- never go away. Good stop bad stock. They're always there. And yesterday was another example of this. So Ron darling has got a book out and the book world to me is very interesting because you can go one or two routes. You can either go the very boring book route where there's going to be no controversy. You're not going to sell a lot of books or you throw something in there. That's going to be somewhat. Controversial that no one has ever heard before. And then all of a sudden that gets picked up it did a bunch of articles. Everybody's talking about it you go on a press tour, and there you have it. So Ron darling. Who was a guy that I don't necessarily align with controversy throws in a story about Lenny Dykstra, and Lenny Dykstra of courses, a guy who I do a line with controversy and this store. Ori- is that you know, oil can Boyd who is a guy. Who's now we he's still alive? We have nine years. Fifty nine years old. The old Red Sox pitcher a guy who received by Lenny Dykstra, a ton of racial slurs. The most vile every imaginable. Unimaginable insult and expletive in oil canes direction. This is Ron darlings words in the book foul racist. Hateful hurtful stuff he wrote in the book worse than anything. Jackie Robinson might have heard. Right. And he goes. That's what Ronnie's writer. He said oil. Cain was on the receiving end of the ugliest piece of vitriol. I've ever heard in a bar on a baseball diamond anywhere. So Lenny Dykstra, of course than fights back. He tweets out. Why would Ron darling k Mr. perfect who's creating fiction to sell his latest dime store? Novel want me as an enemy. I live for this blank. Lock and load. Stay tuned for real facts about Mr. p lock and load. Yeah. So he's threatening to put out a bunch of stuff out there about Ron darling and his life or whatever. But I mean, it's just like, you know, there's nothing that's going to change my mind about these two guys at this point. And this is why Ron darling probably went towards Lenny Dykstra was going to put anything controversial in there. And if he's going to take down anybody was going to be Dykstra because he's had so many problems. He's so out there who were just talking about is freaking flop house or whatever the hell he had their New Jersey where he was housing prostitutes to rehabilitate. Nate him, or whatever the hell the name of that thing is. So it Rondo a guy the beloved Ron doling on the S, and why broadcast so there's really nothing that Lenny Dykstra is going to say that's going to change my opinion on Ron darling. But it's like this team. So I was four years old when the Mets won the World Series in eighty six. So I really have. No, you have no idea. I don't really have a memory is right in my wheelhouse. I was an NFL player right at this time. No, all these guys have had a few beers with these guys when it came through Cincinnati at my club out there the waterfront and all that other stuff. I I would think that there were two players that I can think of that were on the Mets that were coherent at that time one would be running darling. And the other one would be Gary Carter everybody else. I think had some sort of issue or some sort of problem. An I we're talking about this before the game. Right. Al because guys came to Glennon dyke Shire's defense yesterday were doc Gooden who you can't trust. Kevin Mitchell, who you really can't try cutting heads off a cats or something like well that was in the Jeff Pearlman book about the eighty six Mets. Jeff Pearlman says that Dwight Gooden told him he witnessed Kevin Mitchell, cutting the head off of a cat alive. Cat like a road kill cat. He saw that Gooden happened upon an argument between Kevin Mitchell and his then girlfriend and to prove a point he cut the head off a cat. Yeah. My coach Kevin Mitchell said that's not true. So then I guess Dwight Gooden tell stories too. So who all these guys have checkered past except like a Ron darling and Gary quarter and a Gary Carter whose past even Ray Knight had that weird thing going on with. Young man, he was living with that a domestic dispute and wolves going on with that it's like a freak show. Yes. Everybody on the team. I was looking at the roster. Forget it. Right. Then of course, you know, bike has Ronnie throwing yesterday talking over every answer that Ronnie's trying to give and most of them integrated timing, I know him to whatever. But I mean, meantime, you've got big head and big head over at ESPN interviewing Dykstra who goes off. Yeah. A said in of course, like we have here sometimes dumped on the radio. Sometimes it makes it on television made it on television. Right. He said he was going to drop if he ever sees Ron darling. He wouldn't say a word to him. He would drop him like a red headed blanking step. What I would not doubt any of the accuracy of the book. I really wouldn't. And of course, Ronnie has to put something in there like that to make it interesting. And then elicit a reaction from somebody that he's accusing of. Using words like that. And I would not have it with. None of it surprises me. I mean, I'm sure that Ron darling has a lot of stories about people that he doesn't want to go out there and hurt or ruin their reputation. But it's like Dykstra has just been beaten down to the point where nobody has pot. The guy with not right? Who's running a prostitution rehab centers outta but I do know in defense of Lenny Dykstra. I mean, if if that were written about me, I would be incensed, wouldn't you? Sure. Of course, if I mean, if it wasn't true. You know what I'm saying? If someone's lying about me to gain some sort of notoriety, even if it is true he has to act as if it's not true. You know, he's got a react in a way to he does I say that was a different person back then I would never do that. Again. I was a young kid. I was not. So I've learned my lessons. Like, I don't know. Do you have to have to say like Lenny Dykstra got rent? Bar in this environment that we're living in. I would I would damn straight. We'd have to you'd have to defend yourself. It's not like Lenny Dykstra is going to be. I don't know losing endorsements because of this Lenny Dykstra is at the lowest of the low. So I mean, I think that if he came out and said, yeah, you know, what I did that. And boy, do I regret it. And I learned a lot about that, you know, that that would be what would you expect him to do that wouldn't expect I wouldn't? And that's why I'm not surprised by his reaction. And I'm not surprised that Michael Kay put on his show opposite of Ron darling. Who's on Mike show? I think I couldn't I I don't know the timing of it. I don't I have no idea. But of course, that's the way to go. You got two guys in the news like that. Go get the other guy your other competitors. Got the one guy you get the other guy. Where's oil can Boyd in this thing? We get in with him L. I did look oil can Boyd. Unfortunately, he's had a very checkered past as well. As e. Yeah. Ruin a lot of. Drugs and some issues. So I wouldn't know where to find oil can Boyd. I gotta tell you boomer you've really to have made it out of eighties professional sports as crazy the way that you did to have the career that you've had not. I don't think enough people give you credit every like eighties athlete you look up. You know, this guy co Keer arrest here DUI was the scourge. Man. I mean was it was it was horrendous. And you know, I told you we had Stanley Wilson the night before the SuperBowl. Here been suspended three times and the night before the Super Bowl. They've find them in a in a haze and coach wash decides on his own that he's not gonna play the guy. And I meet as I think it's a decision that coach wash can put his head down on the pillow and said, I did the right thing. I think there are a lot of other coaches in the history of the NFL that would have given the guy some coffee. Let them get a good night's sleep. And let them play the next day. You know? I mean, it just they would've. But yeah, it was it was a wild time, man. It was crazy. Yeah. But back then to of course, we talk about a million times. It was easier to get away with stuff. You have one of the greatest football players of all time somebody who redefined position employed it in a different way in learning. Hayley in a hace. Right. Big problems. I know it's you go back to any. You know, your run of the mill or a top star eighties athlete. There could be something there. I mean, we just went through the entire Mets roster from nineteen hundred Mookie was stable, and maybe yeah. Sure. Tuffah was probably stable. Yeah. You got to have some stability somewhere. I mean guys that actually going to show up and play Raphael Santana. Maybe maybe I don't know. I don't know. But. That team. Honestly, I've said this millions of times here on the fan that team was good on fan that team was so good that they should have won multiple champion. I think they all know that all said it'd be unhinged. Wally Backman, number one guys that team. Magazine. Roese they were out of their minds. You know, the stories underneath Pia stands and everything Straub. Right. And all those I think he did he confirm those stories, I think or David Cone who seems very normal now not back then. It would have been funny like Ron darling drop, the Kevin Elster bomb on, you know, going after Lenny Dykstra, a little bit too, easy or something like that some guy never expect like all men, and you know, that this thing about Kevin mcreynolds. You know, just poor Lenny Dykstra is whole life is falling apart everything. Right. I mean, it's just it's one thing after the next with him. Yeah. I know there was a real sports episode with a well, he was doing owning car washes one big scam. Right. Exactly, man. I tell you that is well anyway, so we'll see this continue. Now, we're involved in this to win a little slum Lord what? No because wrong supposed to be on with us tomorrow. And now he's not coming on with us. So that's ox. We're supposed to talk about it. I guess this controversy now he's thinking not worth he was willing to do a phoner. We wanted to studio. Okay. So they got to readjust schedule. Some. We'd let him answer the questions. You know, what I mean wouldn't be jumping all over them. Got it. I don't know what she's talking. It is boomer and geo on the fan. CBS sports network eats mooning show with Boomer Esiason and Greg nutty, boomer and geo, April Fools day. In radio is one of these things where we get an Email every year. Do not do any able fools jokes are going to get sued. You can't have any fake information out. There fake news sad. I mean, there's just like a barrage of emails. It comes in every nother reminder, not to mess around on April Fools day because you will die. If you make any joke on the taps every year. So then I sit back on not even I don't even do it in my personal life on so frightened of it. But I'll sit back and watch other people's April Fools jokes and the one yesterday in sports that people were talking about Tom Brady joins Twitter and then retires fake Lii. And everybody goes nuts about that. And also, the he just joined Twitter just joined and any. Decided to announce retired right? How many hours that he gained after? Oh, I can't even imagine. What to guess, I have no idea. A million. You can't get a million day. Brady shirt. Could. No, you couldn't. No. I looked earlier today with something like two hundred something thousand. Right. That's low. I would've expected more. Tom Brady Mun. What's handle? Got to be at TB, twelve right? I said someone probably stoled TB fourteen Nabi TB twelve what I would have done our. Verified accounts Tom Brady with that's soccer guy. If you just. Tom brady. That's that one comes up as verified, real Thomas. Should he should have actually gone to Twitter and done it right from there? That would have been nets should eight point six at just at Tom Brady. Yes. Also, he's been sitting. He's been sitting on that bad. Boy, there's no way that was available. There's no way if that wasn't available that he found that person and paid them off for the account. He goes retiring in my spare time I'll be. Yeah. He'll be doing what? And spare time we'll tweeting and then hashtag L G. Which is. Yes. Let's blackout. The other one is actually made me angry for some reason was Dr Phil shaved his mustache. That's supposed to be able to enough people care, but Dr Phil a mustache, April Fools joke and the US open to see that one. That was at least cute, then he said that they were gonna have puppies added to the the ball person team for the on this year picture of a dog with tennis bowl, and it's mouth, and then people were actually upset when they found out that was fake. Okay. That would. That's Jerry sitting on the beach taking all these APRIL's jokes. He's not been kidnapped thin. Not yet. We know. Right. Should we check on him? I think it should check on do texted with them. And I have not I figured I wanna bother him on his vacation. But what we need you right now feel like he would reach out. Now was he cruising or just going to go directly there? Fly direct direct unless he can't reach out because. Dale. We don't know for sure. He what is it a behemoth jail is that the way me and Bamiyan. Amy and kidnappers. Radio. Start Jerry's happy right now. Yes, got off short F off you holes. Picture with his hands tied bind back right now. Sweatman a dirty t shirt. Off you. He's the Lenny Dykstra. Ceelo what you got for to Long Island shows. Stop by NYC live home of the Nassau Coliseum. April fifth through the seventh NY boat shows dot com. Sobering news for the Yankees before last night's opener against the Tigers will get to that. But the bombers did go out and take care of Detroit. Swung too deep Senate much back. He's on the track. He's a war. Jeez. Gone. The sent chino homers deep cast left of dead center. All that Gary scary homered as many games for Sanchez. He was rock in the ski mask full head cap thing last night. It's cold with the stadium. Johnson coconut water here on the fan. String. Some coconut water in the booth last night who knows Brett Gardner also went deep Domingo her mom five innings of one hit seven strikeout ball Aaron judge health that amount of vino with clutch diving catch in the eight and the rest of the bullpen did its job in a tidy three one victory at the stadium. Save to a rall Chapman. He looked better. After some initial concerns about his velocity. Here's Aaron Boone. Good to see him come in and start to push it up a little bit. And look like his stuff, you know, was crisp. But and filling up the strike zone about the injury, Giancarlo Stanton, McGill and do hearts. She and Carlo. Yes. Great one step strain shut down for ten days. They have him back by the end of the Stanton's. Due har-, small labor tear his right shoulder. Suffered Sunday back into third base Boone didn't even know about that early yesterday. I didn't have them in the lineup today. It was just a day off. And then. Aiding aiding go out for his. Ground balls and stuff. Today junior. Crying. This. I don't know what it is about him some weird noises that come through that microphone. We told you what it is waiting for Cashman's and with the liquid in his mouth his throat. He's he doesn't know what to do take it. And it's very hard to if any was talking in your ear the entire time. You're doing your update you'd be making noises like that too. I don't know. Very uncomfortable. Anyway, there's still some strengthen our shoulder lease that was the word after they sent him for some testing. They're hoping a couple of weeks arrest will allow him to return if not season ending surgery on the table injury list getting long Aaron judge doesn't wanna hear about it. Deform system. Demoralization guys go down. Everyone's ready to step up and filler sparkling Frazier. Toddler Wade, recalled from Scranton told you last hour. Wait Hopton an Uber when he got word late in the day right in the Bronx and the seventh inning Frazier now was alerted late Sunday because he was the replacement for Stanton. He just gotten off the plane from Tampa. He was at extended spring training said he actually got the callers still at the baggage claim. So as you may know, he is the father to cats. Yes. So rather than hey, they they're recall me, let me get to New York. Get away from Kevin Mitchell. That's a fair point. That's a fair point. Keep away from Kevin Mitchell sharp is so what happened with the cat. Right. So he decided that he was gonna stay overnight in Scranton because the cats after a full day of travel from Florida needed rest than the rest. So they stayed the night in Scranton. And then they traveled to New York together early yesterday, and he was in the clubhouse and time for open locker room and media visibility. So very nice. Very good story. Good parental. Parental instincts for Clint Frazier with his cats anyway here, he is ready for the change the chance rather he never gotten twenty eight twenty eighteen as I turned into and Boone and can't speak. Thanks to them concussion issue going through my own kind of injuries. So I didn't get the opportunity, but you know, right now, I'm on feeling the best I felt at the plate in the long time. You're right guy. Great. All right. He did not hit well in spring training. So he stayed behind in Tampa of some extra work. We'll see if it pays off Masahiro Tanaka. Jordan Zimmermann tonight pregame on the fan five fifty five. Here's some analytics for you. So betted goals an exit velocity of one twelve point five miles per hour or more the twenty eighteen New York Mets. How many do you think they had is a team? I would say none. They had three. Oh the season. All pita, Lonzo Lonzo in four games. So far this year has how many to to nailed it. One of which last night was a four hundred forty four foot. Three run Homer in the ninth. First of his big league careers, the Mets rally past the Marlins. In Miami, seven to three I think that they were trying to go in and maybe get to roll over and get a double play or get get in on me a little bit. So I was looking straight heater. And I got it and put a good swing on one. Then why they did. Teammates went crazy on him in the clubhouse after that. All's well with the Mets three and one after rounding for four runs in the ninth. I'm Ed Rosario had the go ahead RBI single pinch-hitter Dom Smith in the middle of that rally as well. Mickey Callaway already said Smith will get the start at first base tonight law. The Garris homered opposite field. You heard me what Dom Smith starting to first base tonight confirmed? So you have an off day few boy Lonzo arrest up for Wednesday series. Now get used to it. This is the way they do things, man. This is the way they do. It doesn't matter. What you do the night before you gotta get the guys rest. You got to get the best matchups. That's the way it is for those of you not watching boomer as head right now. Totally collapsed. Yeah. He's done. Are you kidding me? Oh, we're not how how is he not in the lineup because this is how they do things. I don't get you know, what wake the hell up and put them in a lineup. Well, scrape me or what was screaming mcnealy of the day. You weren't with me. And now now you see what I'm talking about. Here was Calloway domes going to be starting tomorrow at first he's he's playing great. And you know, he deserves a chance to go at their mortgage rain on and do some damage. Right handed starter pros a little heat. They'll get the lefty in the lineup. So. Budding star put the polar bear gets the day off. So if you're just tuning in for Pete Alonzo you can make other plans for tonight's game. I mean, he's like the guy right now that you wanna make sure you don't miss his at bats. Because of the things he's doing we're gonna throw Dom out. There is armed opportunity go out and takes acts against Urania. He's he's he's been he's been chopping wood man getting out there, and he just he's earned it. He's earned a start. Good about this kid. Who's hitting a hail out baseball four hundred and forty feet a comment that Mickey Callaway gave last night in regards to how well Pete Alonzo's. I do he how he's making the jump to the majors. Look, so seemly think for the same reason everybody's wondering if we're gonna start him on the team or not because he's really frigging good. There you go. So we're gonna sit them down sitting down give him arrest. He's freaking good. Jason Vargas on the mount against the aforementioned Hosie arena. Seven ten. I. Pitch zome shot up in there know been there. Smith mega proud see with Dom Smith can do with the Alonzo's Mets tonight in Miami. I heard from first year Orioles manager Brandon high that last hour. He Yanks started. David Hess in the seventh inning with a no hitter intact against the Blue Jays eighty two pitches oils did win the game six five here was SS reaction after doing this a long season. I could tell that he rose fighting against himself a little bit because I think the excitement was there you go twenty five year old takes the high road. He did throw forty two pitches in relief against the Yankees Thursday. So technically he was working on short rest. Some more from Cleveland yesterday big press conference with Beckham junior. Jarvis Landry Baker Mayfield and Myles Garrett. Big pronunciation from Becca thing this moment is going to be more kind of thing. We all realize right now talking big already. Here was the token cliche line from so many professional athlete ever was about in the money. In over was about is about being legend penal. About not about the money. Never know God he provides some more insight on what he's all about. The biggest problems that care, but I don't care the same time because I know weighing so nothing that said about me is ever don't bother me. Because I know who I am which of course, is why you get all those cryptic Instagram posts because he doesn't care. What people's of course that a lot of great memories from LSU days now reunited with Jarvis Landry reason this all having because we consider the facility at midnight, go shoot jokes to two in the morning. We'd be like let's go outside and tote now they both get to catch passes from Baker Mayfield. I've always firmly believe you set your own expectations. Nobody else really matters. No offense to you guys. You can read all you want about what we have. But if we don't set goals for ourselves and believe in those and work for it doesn't really matter. It sounds chore doesn't he he does sets high. We'll see how it works out for him this season missed opportunity for the nets last night came back after showing the books by twenty two took the lead in the second half. They lose by ten at Barclay center. One thirty one one Twenty-one Janta Cuco played through an ankle sprain. Twenty eight and eleven diangelo Russel twenty eight and ten boards for the nets. But they fail to take advantage on a night where the pistons heat and magic all lost is well status quo for the final three playoff spots in the east. Kenny Atkinson knows us was a tall order for his team. So I think you gotta to be almost perfect to be that we were we were we're close to perfect. And that's why the score is what it is. We're games remaining. They host the raptors tomorrow night. Knicks beat the bulls at the garden one thirteen one oh, five twenty four from Luc cornet may believe the islanders at the Coliseum to one John Taveras technically had the game winner. His forty sixth new career high points, eighty-seven Toronto clinches, a playoff berth, the devil. Double up the Rangers at the rock forty-two and Kentucky handed John Calipari lifetime contract after he was. Flirted with UCLA about their signing. Is that done Oreo show that it's it's going down. I don't know if he technically put pen to paper, but he confirmed that it's happening. I can't even imagine a lifetime contract works. Honest. Let us know when you're done pretty much. I guess yeah. I suppose get caught cheating or anything don't worry about this matter. I guess so we'll still pay off some shoe scandal. Pops up don't worry about it. You get your cash you don't. Don't go and sit that three pointer and put Michigan state into the final four it raised another million eight for the big ten and Tom Izzo got one hundred twenty five thousand dollar bonus making it to the final four going says, a I think a twenty thousand dollars student loan because he wanted to go to Michigan state, and they didn't really want them. So a walked on and he paid his way into school and his family took out all the loans thing about that for a second. Well, it does put in perspective. I really does. It just goes to show you how that kid wanted to do what he's doing and he's a fifth year senior of getting his masters. He's a tremendous young man, and he paid his way into Michigan state has alone. They get most gosh eventually, but now Tom Izzo pockets one hundred twenty five grand in the big ten polls in about a millionaire. Nice all because of that three point now, obviously this more to it. But that three point shot was shot at the game. Right. It was we're in GIO in fancy Bs sports. Now, we're coming up next. Another April Fools joke that we missed yesterday that has to do with this place and a Twitter account that has blocked me that I can't quite figure out. Why explain the whole story coming up next eight the morning show with Boomer Esiason in Gregg giannotti, boomer and geo. Geel fancy BS force that were virtually near his ear. Now, we're gonna have to save the April Fools joke story. Tila, eight AM so fifty minutes from now again into that. But on behalf of Landau lakes to time NC, double A champion NBA all star one of the most famous popular infamous Duke players are ever was Christian later. Joining us in studio right now, Christian good morning. Thanks for being here were you? We got to this one fast, boomer, and I were still, you know, talking exchange pleasantries, and you guys a right into it. It works, man. Listen, no attention span these days. I go way back, you know, and just watching. I just wanna get it before we get to the lentil lakes and all those stuff just your thoughts on Zion William size reading some of your comments that were in the daily news earlier this month and about his performance at Duke and everything else. And what you think he's going to be like when he when he finally does turn pro. I think he's going to be awesome. I'm expecting him to be awesome at the next level. My only hope is that he'd never gets injured for the next four or five years because if he doesn't we're going to see some unbelievable blocks unbelievable dunks. Some unbelievable plays on the best ball court from the young guy does a position list sport. Now, they say, and you know, you see six foot ten guys bring the ball seven footers if you're Kevin Durant for that matter. I mean, I guess he is considered a three or four, but can really do anything. He he wants on the basketball court. So where do you see him fitting in the NBA on that level? You know, I don't really seem fitting in any way. Where he's the basketball player. And he's a very good basketball player. There's times when he looks like a point guard out there there's times when he looks like shack out there. There's times when he looks like Charles Barkley out there. So he's someone that can get a big rebound on the defensive end push the break like a guard, and then dunk on you lake the best dunkers that I've ever seen. So that's position lists. I think he's going to do very well, and yes, he does have to develop a little bit more of his jumper. But. If people give them space, he's so explosive and bouncing his so much skills that he can get by them. And as soon as someone gets tight tight to him he can get around because he's so strong. So he's an unbelievable talent. I think he's going to do very, well, it's interesting just want more questions because just popped in my head. So many are saying that maybe RJ Barrett's going to be a better pro or maybe Cam reddish would be a better pro. I don't know what they're watching. What they're looking at your senses that this kid long-term is going to be as good at the pro level as he is at the college over one of the greatest college basketball we ever seen. So you agree with me, boomer. You don't understand what they're looking at? Because you think signs going to do very, well, I I'm hoping that the Knicks Kadam we want as knick fans here we want the Knicks to win the lottery, and we want them to get draft him number one. I think he's a billion dollar player for a franchise that has been lost for the last twenty years. I totally agree with you. And I know some stuff. It came out yesterday where they weren't sure. His family wanted him to go to the Knicks and all this other stuff. But don't say jeez. The knicks. The Knicks have to roll out the red carpet, and they have to do everything they can to get this kid. He is must watch TV as we all learned over the last two to three months. He's going to sell out season ticket holders. He's going to sell out the garden every night at least until they go sixteen and sixty again. Well, hopefully, would I don't I don't think that'll happen and whoever wants them they better try hires. They can because I think he's going to be an immensely impactful player in the NBA. So you don't think they were talking to Christian Lehner in studio. You say roll out the red carpet, it's really not up to them. They gotta get the first overall pick with ping pong balls. Do you think design Williamson from what you know of him is a guy that forces way out of the Knicks. The Knicks ended up with the first overall pick in wanted to select him that can't happen. Get it. You know? I don't think he's like that. But we all heard some stuff. Yesterday on who knows what is to me. Who knows what his parents wanted to do? But. And I don't I don't like when kids demand to be traded. And I don't like when kids, you know, tell you where they wanna go. I never did that when I was in the NBA. I never wanted to be traded first of all because I think it's great to be in one organization your whole career because that means that you're good player, and they want you. So I think the Knicks ler. Somebody's gotta try hires. They can to get this kid from this perspective as a former NBA player if you saw the Knicks got the number one pick in the draft. You knew that they were going to pigs on Williamson now comes free agency. The Knicks have space for two max players does that have an impact on a player coming to New York to be able to play with a guy like Zion. Would that make a big difference as Durant, of course, that does if you know the team that you're going to you're going to be drafted to has extra cap space to get another good player that makes a huge difference? Yes. But I would love the. Like, I I looked forward to go to play for the timber wolves. When I was drafting by them because they weren't doing. Well, and I look forward to the challenge of trying to make them a little better. Now, it didn't it didn't happen. But I look forward to that challenge. Just like the reason I went to do over North Carolina was because Duke had not won a championship in by nineteen eighty eight and Carolina already did. So I wanted to go to the school where it was a little bit more of a challenge to do something great for the first time. But do you think as an NBA player knowing that the Knicks would have Zion on their team if you were Kevin Durant, and you're trying to decide whether or not to stay with the the Golden State Warriors go to the clippers. But now, you know, the Knicks have Zion. Do you think that would have an impact on an NBA player deciding to come and play for the Knicks? Of course, of course. But more more importantly than that in my mind is just you have to be willing to put up with New York City. If you come and play for the Knicks. So. As not really, it's can I handle New York City. That's still matter. These days though, when you can be a star anywhere. We see these guys thrive and all sorts of markets, and there's media like crazy and all sorts of markets. I mean, Kevin Durant. A problem with the Oklahoma City media for crying out loud. When they put that Mr. unreliable headline out there does the New York media still scare people like it used to maybe ten fifteen years ago in this day and age, I would think so and I would think even more really, you know, the when Van Gundy was coaching the Knicks years ago when I was playing they you know, they were talking to my age and a little bit. And I was like no way. Really just because New York City and the media coverage and all that stuff. The city and how popular is in the in the media little bit. Yes. Wow. So there's a certain type of person that has to be able to deal with that or it's just going to be a total disaster. Yes. And I'm my personality is the antecedents of New York City. I want slow pace the life more than anything. We're probably the Christian Leitner, you know, ESPN puts us thirty for thirty together. And is you know, I hate Christian Leitner when you heard that they were coming up with this idea, and they were going to title it that what was your initial reaction? Well, the. They pulled a fast one, I'm boomer. I gotta tell you that. Because the first thing they came up to me was like we wanna do movie about you. And anyone would like that right assure, but they didn't mention the title until three or four months later. So once they put the whole movie together, and they interviewed everybody, and they actually showed me, you know, the first edit of the movie then day came to me and hit me with the title. And they said, oh, we have to name it this. We have to Christian, and and we're going to name it this whether you like it or not you have no say. And even though you're not getting a dime from this movie. You have no say, so, but I immediately called my mother and started crying and she said Christian, use your brain, son. You gotta be smarter than this ESPN does not want only the Duke lovers in the Duke and the Leitner lovers to watch this show because that nation's only maybe ten to thirty thousand people strong. She said they want everyone across the board to watch the show. Carolina fans, you can't fans fan, man. Thank you too. So so they're only naming that because it's so provocative, and it's going to draw so many more people in. So once she said that I understood so what's it like to know that there's so many people that dislike you, but it's because you were good at something. Do you ever have a tough time coming to terms with that will thank you for saying that that's the only thing that allows me to go to sleep at night is the last thing I say to myself before I go to bed. Is maybe if I played for them they would late me. And I think that's all it is is that as a player, you can't expect the opposing fans to love you. I mean, the only person that was universally love late that that I remember as maybe Dr J, but jeez, people hated Larry Bird when he even though he's from Indiana, but he played for the south when he played the Pacers. They booed him in India in Indiana so Dame by Michael, Jordan. Really? I mean, you know, that's the thing. I he was born in our side here in New York. But man every time he came in. We would go to the edge. I've I've seen Michael Jordan booed, one of the only people that I can't recall being booed as Dr J. But even he was booed a few times in Boston. So tell us what you doing Landau lakes the shot, and it seems like there's a lot involved here, but ten thousand dollar prize to help support the charity. So tell us about. What you're doing land-o-lakes? Well, everyone knows I love Minnesota. And I'm up there. All the time. I'm doing baseball camps up there and fishing up there all the time. But I mean, the final four is just such a big occasion and land lakes jumped in on it because the Minneapolis this year. The last time it was in Minneapolis was nine hundred ninety two the year that we want our second championship. So you know, I'm looking forward to go into the big bat challenge. The land legs by challenging fronting robot shooting basketballs, and they they sent seven schools a box of metal parts, and they said create a machine that can shoot the basketball. So it's going to be a lot of fun. And I can't wait to see the schools who received the MIT Harvard these types of schools or no, I don't I North Dakota state, South Dakota stuff like that. But I know there's four teams that are in the final four for the shot, and that's Wisconsin produce Minnesota and South Dakota state man, I robot scare me Christian. I feel like they're gonna take over the world. I feel like with me on. Even having talked to you for a couple of minutes. We don't mean you on the same plane with this these roads, cool, they're shooting basketballs when they start shooting us, then it's not fun anymore. Right. Well, as long as the robot doesn't have a camera or microphone, and I kind of trust it a little bit. I know that you've talked a lot about this and everything else. I just want a little refresher on the whole nineteen ninety two dream team deal for you. And when you got there, and what your initial the way they treated you and the whole controversy around. I know they always wanted to put a college guy on the team and all that other stuff. But how did that go initially for you? In this really? It was great from the first second that I was selected to the team or the first time we got together and the Hoya. I mean, every second of it was awesome. And. The greatest thing for me was that I was able to play one on one against Larry Bird and Magic Johnson and Chris Mullin and Charles Barkley, and those are the things that I'll never forget that all these guys that I looked up to I was able to play one on one against them. So that it was the greatest time today treat you when you when you got there. At our first meal together, I would say six of them came up right away and said Hello and six of them waited a little bit. And then we practice the next morning. And after that, I practice they were all great to me because they could see that. I wasn't a prima Donna they could see that. I was willing to carry the dirty towels down to lunch, and they could see that. I could take a shot. And by shot. I mean, get bumped by Charles Barkley, your get dunked on by Patrick Ewing, and not cry too much. So once they saw that I was tough enough to handle it, and I didn't cry too much. They accepted me very just like going into a room like that. I was trying to think like if I were your age, and I was going to play professional football Joe Montana's in their Lawrence Taylor's in their Mike single Terry's in there, Mike, all my God. How do I even function under that kind of pressure and the expectations that come along with playing on a team like that? I don't know how you did it. I just I'm assuming the guys were good to you. But also testing you constantly they were testing me constantly, and they wanted to make sure that I was willing to be a rookie. You were a rookie at one time. And and I was a rookie in the NBA and I loved it. And I love being a rookie in the youngest kid in the newest kid on that dream team. And once they saw that I was willing to do all those rookie things. They accepted me. Jerry dead. You ever like seen the Pasco ball that you experienced a what it was really like at the highest level to see those players play with such. I say the practices were tougher than the games because those those guys were so competitive, no, it was absolutely the best basketball ever been a part of. And it was all flying over my head. And I was just trying to hang on by the seat of my pants, and and. The most incredible thing is how fast they went from office the defense in their transition. And then another thing was how much Jordan and Pippen. And a lot of those guys loved playing defense and people don't people talk about Jordan and his scoring prowess and all that other stuff. But he was an unbelievable defender. Also, how do you stay so relaxed and calm these days because I mean, you're coming across d-, most relaxed guy I've ever been around in my life, and I'd like to get to that point. If I could is it possible. I mean, give me a tip or two. Well, thank you. I don't know what you mean. I'm just being myself. I don't know. Minnesota thing. Thing. It's not the northeast city that whole deal. It's I mean, it's got to be I need to move to the mid wet somehow. It's just boomer. We're good buddies. And I'm fifty now. So, you know, things slowdown. Okay. Very good. Well, we're happy to have you here. Land-o-lakes check it out the botched shot there's a shot final four. And you've got teams that you mentioned and ten thousand dollar prize to the winning school Christian late near thank you. Appreciate you being here. Christian look, great, man. Thank you. It's the morning show with Boomer Esiason in Gregg giannotti, boomer and geo couple of things I had not met Christian Leitner before nor I really seen him outside of the documentary. That is the most chill dude in the world. And when I was asking for tips on being that relaxed I really needed to note because wherever he's at right now is at some point in my life, not right now because we're doing morning radio and all that. But at some point in my life, I need to achieve that that got nothing bothers him. It seems like nothing at all. So that was amazing amazingly cooled, right? Just chill guy. That's who he is. But put them on a basketball court and put the basketball guys at ease highly competitive. Yes. Right. And it was funny at the the end of the interviewees pointing and stuff. This is you and Pat Mahomes, and that's groovy put who's this dude over here any point at the the Jerry Recco high school mustache quarterback picture that so famous in your dude over here, man. This just great is unbelievable. So we appreciate him coming in. And it was a fun experience before I get to the Zion thing because I tease this a while back in radio. You gotta pay off your teases, right? Yeah. So. We're talking about April Fools jokes and who did April Fools jokes yesterday. So Al fines one he gets alerted to one from the NEC sports account, which is the northeast conference account. So he goes, hey, look up any sports on Twitter. They did a fool's joke. So I go, and I'm like any sports. I can't find it. He goes, our text it to you. So he texted to me, and it says the northeast conference is pursuing an agreement to become the first division one conference to stream live games via the Mike von app. This deal will likely include exclusive streaming rights. The NEC bowl NEC baseball championship tournaments. So they're trying to jump on the popularity of Mike on Twitter and everything else. And that's airy full jokes. I'm thinking to myself, my why can't I see this on Twitter? Right. Turns out that the any conference on Twitter has blocked me. Why did they block you? I don't know. They blocked me could have been a mistake, or it could have been the fact they were making fun of their bowling tournament. Dot was calling in from the bowling turn. Right. So. Yeah. So Paul, the Tino, we were making fun of the fact that he was streaming women's college bowling when we wanted to have him on the air, and we had some fun with that. I didn't know that. I was the one that was singled out with that thing. But I guess maybe that's why they blocked me have they blocked you. I have no idea. Now, I'd like to know can you look likely this is just a meeting if they've singled me out on this in block l block and what is their what's their handle? Nec sports. And I'd like to anybody's listening for any sports. Whoever runs this like to talk this out like getting blocked. No. I'm not. No, I got it. I'm good. I tell you. I think that was a show thing that was not just the meeting. I was a show you think so that was his show. It was show thing, man. That's fair. Can I ask you a question? Are you a tax payer bellport? I am. Indeed. You are right. Okay. See what's going on out there? You don't wanna go. Do you wanna talk about this? We want to talk about this. You got a math teacher out there. That's basically final three million dollar lawsuit against you, the taxpayer and your school district. Yeah. I I'm just gathering the information on this information on it. Then don't I newspaper. I knew nothing. I really don't. I'm thinking that this seems like a person who might get a lot and get some money. But I'm just I guess there was a picture. I don't know. It's a very uncomfortable thing for me to talk. Why is that? Well, I don't know because I don't know the details, and it's a weird feeling. District and I lived there. She's a math teacher. She obviously had a relationship with somebody at the school. They were sharing pictures of one another with each other that. You know, we're nude, and she was topless one of those pictures, and somehow one of those pictures made it into the phone of assuming one of her students and now by virtue of that she's going to be fired over that. Yeah. It's very interesting to me to have a little bit more influence. I can't heads need to prevail. You really think I'm going to get involved in that. I think here I am. I was a bellport middle school student in nineteen ninety five but you're GO now. And you're like a big shot. I'm not gonna walk in there who am I fighting, for example for her. I think but what if she did something wrong. I don't know the details in this thing. This what I'm reading does not sell and she did anything wrong that somehow somebody else may have done something wrong, then I n wronged her. But I don't think that she should be fired over this. So let me get this friend. She's gonna end up getting you know, some sort of major settlement. And she deserves one. I think you would you would like me to insert myself. I think you shouldn't this mess here taxpayer out there in bell. I am in don't work. Yes. But I don't I mean, I am but I'm going to paying the same amount of taxes, regardless if she gets her money or not. So it's not one of those things where things are going to change for me voice. Just want to let you know that you do have a voice in your hometown very much. So, and I think that my voice in this particular matter is best served silent. What I would say. Now, there's other things I could get involved in like, there's a there's a landfill out there. That's next to one of the schools. So that would be something. I'd be interested in getting involved in because it affects everybody around the the sexting scandal in the middle school. Let you guys and Helen Calvi, I'll be at my house have an opinion on this. I have not formulated in opinion on this particular incident yet because I haven't gathered all the information, you know, it's my hometown here, man. I know that's why I'm saying, you know, the pulse of the people out there. I do. But I don't know if it's going to serve me well in this particular situation that people that you know, out there, do you think that they would come down on her side? Do you think they'd come down on the side of the school? I. I'm thinking probably probably the side of her. Yes. Probably. Okay. That's just a guess. I mean, usually have an opinion about a lot of things. I just your opinion. Now is so muted over. There's a lot of people. I know within that school district. Don't wanna put myself in a tough position. I don't know all the information. Now, I just read this thing this morning anything about it. Okay. I didn't think we're going to talk about it. If it is what it says, it is what you never really truly know what the whole story is here. Right. But it is what it says it is then they gotta give her job back. Okay. All right. That's fair. I will agree with you on that. But if it's not, and there's something else that we don't know because there's only one side of the story. Right. But it sounds like she got she's getting railroad. Like, somebody else did something and shared something that they probably shouldn't have right. And then it's her the one that's getting the the axe here. Right. But she's not going to get the acts. I'm telling you right now. The teachers union will fight their ass off for her you watch. Hey, Mike in Manhattan. What's? Happen to Mike. Hey, guys, how you doing today? Thanks for the call. Great interview with Christian in just take the other side of your points. Definitely a pretty chill cat, but he showed his human side. He's just like a lot of ways to and like think what he mentioned how much it bothered him. The title of that documentary called out that he's been thinking he was actually in tears when he calls mother. He wasn't even how much bothered him that that he's hated in boot in so many places had a constantly remind himself on on why that was happening. So yes, I great jail. He's definitely a cool cap, but he showed that human element as well. And certain things definitely got over the courses fear and even most recently with with that documentary GIO actually pointed out though that people are angry with him because he was so good. And so successful, right, which I think actually touched Christian when he thought about it. Yeah. He he took about fifteen seconds to think about before Hansard and a big deep breath. And then he goes. Thank you, man. I mean, you know, it makes me feel good. You know? So bloomberg. I I mean, we go way back and when he said, but because of his delivery, I couldn't still believe that those things bothered him. You know, if someone's like, I was in tears when that came out, he was a cold, my mom, and I was in tears about it. So. And she was like don't worry about it. So I said guess. Go worry about so. Telling the truth is is is a joke is really in tears. But yeah, that was amazing on that guys. Like that where you don't know their personality when they come in. And then you're learning about them sitting here in studio that I absolute love I had never thought he was like that had no idea. It was great to the numbers. His numbers were way off. He said he talked to his mom. She said, you know, if only Duke fans watch it that's going to be like ten thousand people, right? Everybody else. It would be like twenty thousand people. So it's got the title may. Right. Did not the guys who put it together did a hell of a job and titling. You know, I hate whatever they call. I hate Christian Leitner. That's perfect. And then these guys who really this is the title, and you don't have choice about it. Even though you're not getting paid for it. A man telephone out. They would Christian said when he was leaving. This just now about his talk and his personality. He's you know, they sent me to like a communication schools, and they were like you gotta do a better job like being excited about your answers. And they said like when you talk about your kid, and you talk about fishing. Animated. They're saying to me. But like that's different. Because you know, that's the stuff that I like like. Like a lot of other stuff. So just you know, told me you can't do this. Have enough personality. You know, Mike. This is my actually what he said. This is what my personality is men. Like, I'm not like totally going to change that because you guys want me to boomer. I love you, bro. Seaman joe. If I got your helmet, man. You know that I've got a ball and bog boomer size helmet and a ball. And. Ever like super broke? Like, totally don't have any money at all sell it. Then. Frigging Landau lakes, bro. It's like anything like dairy, man. It's like, whoa. Like, you're taking stuff out of this thing, man. Like this animal, you're squeezing the stuff out of it. And you turn it into all soon to stove. Good. Good. Outed like you ever. Hold up, bro. Bro. Told in a piece of cheese yesterday. And I was like distorted cow. Freaking mind blowing, and it's mind blowing. Call Barkley up. Do this cheese. Store in the frigging Calabro. Up on me getting like some guys don't get it. Dude. Anyway, I gotta go. Okay. It's the morning show with Boomer Esiason and Greg nutty, boomer and geo. Let's get to ceelo right away here next guts. The giants got Wayne Haskins out great that would. Potentially the fortunes of sports around here would change just like I think the fourteenth for the jets are are beginning to change hopefully, the Mets yet but down this road before with Frank Neale Akina and Kyle Aleta. You know, we were saying the same stuff. Those guys all finally, we got Neal Akina the lead is going to be saying the same thing, man. I mean down the same road talking about superstars and their respective sports coming out of college and both could end up right here in New York. Giants get adrift Haskins poll. I don't think so. Guys such a buzzkill after seeing him at the pro day. The giants get a draft Haskins poll, I still think so all right? Thanks the giants gonna DRAM Cuyler Murray. Paul. No, no, the giants get adrift Daniel Jones, Paul. I don't think he's out of the question in the second round. Giants. Get a draft. Drew lock Paul. You'll like it. Number six. I would be very surprised. Giants trade up in the draft poll. Dude, I think so. The giants. Get a for Josh Rosen poll. I don't think so. She says what are they going to do? Then like the variety of phone lines for the giants to do. Right. Jordan ran on the biggest loser. You've ever met poll would not characterize that in any way. Okay. Got any big weekend plans poll up special? Nothing special, man. Well, I think they're going to draft. Age rusher at six that's what I keep hearing edge rusher. And maybe wouldn't it be great? If they traded up to get that edge rusher, the quarterback all my God, they were meeting with Nick Bosa so in order for them to get Nick Bowes at have to trade offs. Let's say traded up to to to maybe not San Francisco trades and number two pick out trade up to two and you wanted to go quarterbacks essentially the giants had the first pick in the jets would have the first pick in the draft. And they would take both. No, I think they would. Badgen the giants trait up to two collar Marie goes one. And then you're like man, this is it Haskins. They're going to take. So they take Nick Bosa and extend Manning's contract. There's the plan right there. Paul didn't rule that out yesterday. Giants can extend Eli contract poll. That is absolutely a possibility. Was killed their way. You react is everything. He tells me I wanna hear. It's the worst. It's like a punch in the gut. Like, I want once for him to say or give me a reason to believe that the giants are gonna move on from Eli manning at some point draft his replacement, right? You feel the same way. Hurts. Once please. So like, Mike. Yeah. I'm gonna ask if gonna play for the rest of his life, Paul. Let's see what he says for that. Maybe I can get a positive answer their see the light at the end of the positive answer. No, right. Okay. It's possibility like he'll say what he's going to say. With today's medicine something like that. You gotta robot shooting free throws now anything's possible. All right ceelo. We got forced brought to you by the Ray Katina auto groups auto group. Schedule an appointment today at a Ray Katina's service center for first class service at affordable prices, the Yanks till two more injury bulls before they even took the field Monday night already nursing injuries to their starting rotation. So it was a much-needed adding from dimicco her Mont against the Tigers, the Tutu brick wall strike three Eddie. Seven strikeouts for her mom, he's giving up only one Eddie should be pitching shutout. John sterling here on the fan. The only run played against her mind came on. What was fishery ruled another Gary Sanchez throwing error, though, gleyber tour Torres probably should've at least knocked that ball down scoreless. Bullpen work from green Britain, veto and Chapman. So the homers from Sanchez and Brett Gardner, Greg bird, singled home, another run all adding up to three one Yankees victory over the Tigers. Aaron judge helped out of Edo in the eighth diving catch to aboard and nobody out killed that rally Aaron Boone holding his breath as judge just voided getting his wrist. Right. Wrist caught underneath that's one of those dangerous place for an outfielder especially coming straight on like that. It's hard for for them sometimes to get underneath that ball to make the play and not hurt themselves left wrist. I should check that especially on a day with the Yanks launched Giancarlo Stanton. Gill and do hard to the I L Stanton suffered a grade one left. Biceps strain Sunday shut down for ten days hope to have him back by the. End of the month. Like it at all. I mean, just. Just work for six weeks to get here plus season, you listen to him. He just always sounds miserable answering this question, you guys should know the answer. Of course, it sucks that I strain my bicep. What do you? Call those Stanton. What was the question? Do you like the fact that you strange your bicep? I mean, what was the question here? How it was worded. I don't like it at all seriously. Well, now, he's on the shelf. Joining. And you you tore your by. So I'm thrilled. Thank you. Well, I don't like it at all. This is my Christian Leitner didn't wanna play in New York media. Maybe designed Williamson's dot gonna play here. Now too. Don't go there. Hayes ion is Christian of. Damn forgot what I was going to say. Oh, that's right. The Knicks use. Don't do. It. Don't go to Nick's like do whatever it takes get away from them. Good away from him. Dude cheese came from a cow, bro. She's from cow hard hitting stuff small lay from tear for and do our his right shoulder. Also suffered Sunday, the wait two weeks to see how he responds. And then at that point. You know, make decision which surgery could be play which would obviously compromise season the wording there could be in play compromises. He's how about if you need surgeries done simple enough judge concern for his team, especially the labor those are complicated. No, anything shoulders pretty complicated. But. We'll see how it turns out. Destroys a tough individual way. What I just wonder about Severino's labor, right? Because it's the same thing. Right. He has a. Sator cuff strain. I think it was ready to have a tear and Severino rotator cuff inflammation, right cuff information. Okay. No tears. Not notice. Clint frazier. Toddler wait recalled from triple a Scranton to fill. The roster spots Masahiro Tanaka Jordan Zimmermann in game two against the Tigers. Tonight coverage on the fan five fifty five top in Miami. Big ninth-inning rally sending the Mets past the Marlins hit on the ground right side right field. Spit hits third. Here's coming home. Brian all this throw to the plate cut off by the first basement. Take the Li how he rose on WCBS. Eighty Edwards resign. Go ahead. RBI single pita. Lonzo follow with his first big league Homer. Four hundred forty four foot three run bomb to right center field at Wendy as worked out of a bases loaded. Nobody out Jim in the bottom half. Struck out the side to nail down a seven three victory Alonzo the star again with his first Homer for Maki Calloway. Great. I think that we knew that that was gonna come at some point. So it's not a surprise. But it's still. A special occasion for for a young player. Got the ball as well. Nice keepsake for him and then got the rookie hazing treatment from his teammates of food bath in the clubhouse shower didn't know those thing until until he told me to hop in the shopping cart, poor whatever the hell they could on me like why what is shopping cart doing in a locker room. I was wondering the same thing. Actually, maybe the house and stuff. Maybe the house and stuff. Could be any kind of card. Yeah. May not be actual shopping cart that you'd see at a grocery store a laundry been maybe like you said for towels and whatnot. With all the dirty sweaty, jock straps and stuff, and then jumped all kinds of food on them eggs barbecue sauce. Mayo beer shaving cream was in the mixed parents. And he said he didn't care to taste any of kept my mouth close entire time. The guy at the end. They jump some food on him. I mean, it's not the end of the world jeeze four games into the season though with Lonzo betting four twelve in slugging seven sixty five he'll be taken a seat tonight because Calloway announced Dom Smith will get the start at first base against Jose overeating. While Jason Vargas takes the mound for three and one Mets seven ten. First pitch. Slow starts around the league Red Sox and angels. Both one in four the Braves picked up their first win last night. Shutting out the one in three cubs who committed six errors in an eight nothing laws to Atlanta. Here's manager. Joe mad. No why they popped up today at pretty good shape coming into this game. But I do have a lot of confidence that that will go away. Mariners hot six in one Phillies three. No, they visit the nationals tonight price Harper's immediate return to DC where he will be facing. Max scherzer. Slowed it every single game's going to matter. This one is just as important. We'll see what kind of reception he gets tonight. You'd imagine it won't be pretty. But then again, I don't know how much the national fans really are locked in care. So I guess we'll find out. Did you see did you guys discuss what Harper revealed or what the Washington Post? We haven't yet. It's credible. Right. So I guess there first and really only attempt at bringing him back their last home game last season was September twenty six. So there was a rain delay and Harper was told to go to manager Dave Martinez office and instead of finding his manager there. He found the owners, Ted Lerner and his son Mark Leonard, they handed him an envelope. Which for whatever reason he didn't open in front of them. He took it put an his pocket figured, I'll just open this up later. So he and his wife opened it together. And you had the offer from nationals ten years three hundred million bucks. And the quote that the Washington Post from had from Harper was all right cool. We can build off that we can work off. He thought that was just the starting point for what was going to be a winter of negotiation and. That was in ten years three hundred mil which obviously they said no to and he ends up thirteen three thirty to Philadelphia. Why don't you sit down and talk to the guy envelope in the last frigging thirty three hundred. I mean, you know, you could've stayed in Washington to go to say, let's go to Dan, we lost antics dance. Midtown. Quick trigger finger. Yeah. We'll maybe Dan will call back love fest in Cleveland yesterday auto Beckham junior reunited with his best buddy Jarvis Landry. Now teammates with the Browns. And they first set down this path together when they were at LSU. Legendary legacy talked about go Jackie's all conversations. Jack, Jack Super Bowls talk about winning. We don't talk about becoming a team. We only talk about gold jackets, and and legendary and my own statistics or have kids Tonio Brown. Where have you been? This is the deal man Super Bowl. Schmoozer bowls geared. You gotta keep playing once at gimme sixteen games. And I'm out playoffs. I don't need the playoffs. More chains to get Hart's. Gotta put my vacation off. I just want the gold jackets and a want the legendary Staten diva whiteouts, and I want the Instagram following. That's what I'm looking for Landry says o b j completes him. I know for me. It's something that. Not only as a player. But as a person, you know, he's definitely somebody that my life needs. Well, now, they can be together and Cleveland, isn't that nice? Yeah. Really like on a personal level or professional somebody in my life needs. Through the day. Yeah. We ever shed a tear for GO GO because it sounds like Jarvis was really Kleenex when he earlier crying. I was crying John Dorsey. I was crying, Freddie, kitchen in the in the not in the cut. Was probably made to hand. Joe the job that he currently has I shed a tear. I did we embrace me and cried on my shoulder. And I haven't watched the shirt since just boomer tears watched him grow into the man that he is right into lost weight. Yes. Looks good. Up. Yeah. Carrying himself and just a whole different matter. It doesn't shuffle anymore. It doesn't walk bent over anymore. Right depends. I mean is no longer one of the radio minions that used to be and he is now leader of a leader. Yes. What was shuffle about terrible posture? Well, that was used to any more. Yeah. A little bit better the Ben Dover thing. But what is shelf? It's not a very fast walk bend over. And it's like a shuffle. Okay. Right. So it's it's more of there's no sense of urgency to that walk like if I'm walking out. I've got the very smooth. Yeah. Lumbering along right one of those. Well, that's where it wasn't to fifty three. It was. So it's a little different. I'm more now. No new bopping around. Oh, yeah. Ninety one ninety four point four this morning. Eddie. God, I think I might way more than you. We've got a forty mile bike ride in our future. Ninety four point four almost sixty advocate, the one ninety three sixty pounds. You got what six months September tenth was the first day. Yeah. Patrick at Manhattan. Patrick. What's happening? Hey, how's it going? Good. Thank you guys do with much stronger that I was out there on Friday was great turn out. I couldn't help. But notice you were you were sucking wind out there your shape. Yeah. Mike, I'm fifty eight years old. Patrick. I'm fifty eight years old. I'm sorry. No, I'm not I'm not twenty five I'm running after professional hockey players. Just trying to get hit with a puck or get over steamrolled by Kovolev or son. Steamrolled? Anyone Colville is Billick Afri. Yeah. It wasn't a wasn't a hitter. Hockey game. He's looking at people like a full binder stand. I mean, he was a score wasn't a wasn't a hitter. Cannot knock him off his feet. That's strong. Yeah. You play through that planet fasciitis. They're very tough. Do whatever I can to get through it. All right. All right in Brooklyn Yana synthetic Kupu decided to play he led the bucks past the next on three. No good off the back of the rim. Jaanus got the long rebound. Big spice to the ribbon slaves with a right hand. So he missed three and ended up getting his omission and dunks the books. Go up by nine hundred five minutes to go. Chris Corina on is under house. I thought so I'll tell you why we're setting that. They might want to send the Celtics big. Thank you card for playing the way they did the other night. Good news for the nets is that all the teams around them laws. That's right. So everything it's a game and a half separating sixth through ninth place in the east. Nets are currently in seventh. They've got four to play. They host the raptors tomorrow night. Knicks beat the bulls at the garden one thirteen one oh five on ice, John Taveras credited with the game winner, his forty six of the season as the Maple Leafs clinched, a playoff berth two one win over the aisles, the devil's double up the Rangers at the rock Ford to all right? Thank you ceelo boomer and geo on the fan across the country and CBS sports network Christian. Layton. Mentioned something about Zion Williamson and his family and the Knicks the story that we will get into in just a couple of minutes heats the morning show with Boomer Esiason in Gregg giannotti, boomer and geo McKellen do our might be out for the year. We don't know yet. A torn labor in his throwing shoulder small Tare and surgery might happen. If that happens, and he's going to be out for the year. Giancarlo Stanton was unicol. Strain bicep he's going to be on the injured list for a little bit. That's what the Yankees are dealing with pita Lonzo with a seven hundred foot home run lands him on the bench tonight. So you have that with the Mets winning another game down in Miami. Plenty of your baseball thoughts. If you got him at eight seven seven three three seven sixty six sixty six but we missed this yesterday and all the baseball hall of blue and everything else. So Levy on bell who fancies himself a rapper and entertainer he put out a video. Now, he is all about this album that he dropped this is all about he is so focused now on this album. He had a release party in Miami. He had a release party up here. He has now made a video with one of his songs, and he put out a tweet with video in it. And it's. Our donate tools. They wanna do it. I do money is making, bro. I said I'm into knows and not signing me bag. They gotta pay to. So this is this is the song, then dirty neighbors on are you ready? I think. What is that? What that little auto to thing. Talk me out of the blue. Could actually do this older. Has two point eight three million views. So that's a lot of thumbs up. Thumbs down. He did. So he writes, are you ready and then puts fire or trash can right. So Keenan Allen who is a Pro Bowl wide receiver for the LA. Chargers said, I gotta keep it banned, bro. This ain't in trash can so levian bell. He didn't like that. Even though he asked for people's opinions. This guy goes if you honestly felt that way you could have just texted me and said that L O L, but it seems even people with check marks one a troll to seek attention for mentions nowadays enjoy this buzz fuzz, it's still all positive vibes. That's what he had to say below g Kaiser in. No. And then he wrote the I dunno high fives and a heart. So that thing had two point five million views. He didn't make any money off of that. Did he know unless you're going down? Load rap album based on after that he producing his own stuff or is actually have a record label. I don't believe he's signed to a label check because I it's on Spotify. Right. A label trip to franchise tag him and he held out. So. Okay. That's good. So a franchise tagging at the af may not come back to work next. Yeah. It's supposed to that announcement is going to happen today. Whether or not they're gonna actually continue playing, well, we'll be waiting with baited breath. Okay. It banned by the way means maintaining a real relationship with people and always being candid with them. So when Keane announces I'm gonna keep it banned, bro. I gotta be candid. This is terrible. Dictionary for that one. Here's another great quote in there about if you go down a little further who's that? Keenan Allen or does he? Yeah. After levian bell. Went back to him and said, you know, you should've just texted this to me. Right. He said something along the lines of you asked for people's opinions. But the way he said, it was was fun. I don't see it down there. Google. I don't I don't have it. I'm looking for. But I mean is he really does. I would think that it'd be you know, gained fifteen hundred yards catches eighty passes scores. Fifteen touchdown passes jet fans will buy it. He goes, I was not trolling on my momma, bro. I don't troll. Like, I said, I speak facts, you shouldn't have asked. If you want the truth over here, bro. It should have been your real friends that said it. Goes facts, if my stuff trash, you better, let me know. But like this. He really like honestly anybody who is you get somebody produce a beat. And then you get this auto tune, and you get a bunch of words that rhyme with crew. And then you put this song again. That's what he did. Clear out of the blue Adam Sandler, do a song with Elmo did figure out how to rhyme with Elmo play that thing again, listen to this. This is just this is just unbelievable. If you it's just so you think it's trash, you know. You our donate tools. They want to do it. I do money is making. I said I'm into nose and not signing me Bagley. They gotta pay to these complicated. Do that's what I think rules. Fools tools rude news. That's where he went. They even have things online because I use these. I do my dopey songs rhyming dictionaries you put in any word, they'll give you all the words. Ron with really perfect. All he had to do. Oh, my. I'm gonna break the rules ain't playing with. I got all the tools. Sorry. They don't be rude. What did Jay z thing about it? Laughing. Two and a half million views though, but there's also videos of guys slipping on ice and falling that get five million views doesn't mean that people think songs good, right? That's true. I mean, this is this day and age of viral stuff. I watched about ten times laughing my ass off. And if you see video to Dividian quality, the production value this thing is horrendous. Pop up from the bottom Danes, Iran. It's just it's so poorly done. I really hope he works out. And I think he can still be a really great player. But this stuff is a major turnoff. Yeah. Listen. There's there's people like love EON bell nurse, Adam Sandler, and they appreciate music in the just the sheer scope of it from one end to the other just goes to show, you how talented. Okay. Ceska pedantic. Pleasure down. No trouble. San can make up a song about 'em may Adam Sandler just came up with it. You can't this song about Alemany who likes to play and Yale. Could actually rhyme pretty much at any level. I mean, really. Sure that wasn't an old Mike and the mad dog clip. A big it was why was saying Laura I used to think stuff was really funny back in the day that was actually very, but that voice that he does. Now, it's just like, I don't know. It's funny when I was in high school, but now a thirty six year old man, though, homo. What do we about war was she don't a benching under form does that? But I'm just saying, well, he's traveling the country now, so. Tickets for exactly he brings home on stage in the guy who plays Elmo has to travel Adam Sandler and has to break into his family's going on. I thought you were just having to do Sesame Street, and I'm going to tort they bring me out like the star is born again Elmo and Adam Sandler. Oh, God to fill in Tom's river joins us on a fan. What's up, Phil? I've been a long time Yankee fan. Okay. And I'm very concerned about all these injuries these young players, and I'm not a doctor not a I'm not a trainer, but I have had some people at the gym tell me that years ago. Baseball players didn't lift weights like they're lifting today, and what's happening there. It was said that their muscles are getting big, but attendance are not don't grow. And they're pulling a lot of tendons. And I think that's got a lot to do with these injuries. Pretty young players. I mean, the trainer really should get involved with this. You know, they want to lift weights because they wanna they wanna hit more home runs. They wanna throw faster, and you know. They Bruce never went to Jim. Phillips, every sport goes through this. I think now these sports no longer are just six month at of the year sports. They're twelve months, and you got an because the money is so big and is so significant these guys are working out year round. Now back when I was playing, and it wasn't all that long ago. And we're making some pretty decent money. But a lot of us did things in the off season to supplement our income. Now, we weren't like Frank Gifford and had a fulltime job doing the news on NBC. But today when they're making tend to say fifty million dollars a year. I mean, that's year round sport. You gotta stay in shape. And you've gotta work out. And when you watch a lot of these guys now on, but a lot of YouTube videos out and stuff like that and working out and who can work out the hardest who can work out the longest and just a play game. Yeah. I mean, this is one of those topics that that has been talked about a million times. And I hear it on this radio station old baseball fans, you're telling me Bob Gibson would come out or eighty six pitches show. Show over there. About kitchen into three hundred pitches. What an eye patch on once? You know? And you're like oh God. But there if you get past all that garbage there is there has to be a reason why guys back in the sixties could throw a hundred and thirty pitches, complete games left. And right. And there wasn't nearly as many injuries as there are now when you got year round maintenance, more information more medical equipment. Why? Because of the advent of different pitching pitches. The slider, for instance, amount of torque that you're putting on your elbow and your shoulder, and because of the money that is invested in these guys. Now, they want to be careful. They don't want those arms going. That's all there is to it. I'm just picturing gals take on this as he walks in and hands us, then stop throwing sliders. Yes. A ritual fastball. If it's hurting your arm. Stop throwing us Live Aid shouldn't be that. Art, Richie a White Plains. What's happening quickly guys? Hey, I'm a Mets fan. But I wanna know the Mets third baseman was playing an April Fools joke last night when he made his how to play third base video. One of the reasons why the Astros traded him, you know. You know, he's he's a little bit of a. A work in progress as they say retentive -ly. Yeah. I get re I have to get reacquainted with the new met guys every year is this guy a third baseman. I think yes, he's billed as that. He's a good one. Member they require they acquired Davis from the Astros. Yeah. But if you go like like if you put JD Davis in it's gonna say third base wherever he's been right? Oh, so, but I just it's an adventure. We talked about that earlier this morning. There was like at six oh six you. Did you brought that right up? Well, now, you know, maybe the Astros try to give him a chance exactly eats the mooning show with Boomer Esiason in Gregg giannotti, boomer and geo ceelo sloppy in his second day back. He's running. This is the stuff we were talking about with him slipping off and say, it's an unfortunate situation for a guy who had cemented himself in this role. Top fill-in. I was throwing up in the news. Can't get these break times. Right. You know, what's crazy? The air outside is all the air. The no, no, no. I'm actually the air your script away. If you'd let me finish. I'd say it makes it even worse because with the air off you can hear the our on air feed, much better. Normally it's hard to hear what's actually air. Unless you dial it up at your own desk there, but I'm always listening and cutting sound so the air conditioner, whatever it is lower. All I heard everything crystal clear great. Okay. Down into your job. Got it. Brought to you by the Long Island boat show. Stop by NYC live home of the Nassau Coliseum. April fifth through seventh. Visit NY vote shows dot com. Brett Gardner was one for thirteen in the season opening series against the Orioles got things turned around from self last night. Here's the three to swung on the year to rate center Jonas on the run in deep right center field that ball is gone. A home run. It went into the bullpen into the Yankee bullpen, the Gardy party begin John, sterling. Gartner two for four with that solo Homer. Gary Sanchez homered for the second time in as many games. Domingo's Vermont five innings of one hit seven strikeout bone scoreless relief from the bullpen three one victory for the Yanks over. The tigers. Joe mentioned something Gary Sanchez back to back games back home runs. Right. This is the guy that down needs to step it up in without Stanton in the lineup and without into Horno lineup. Here's a guy that has to come out of his funk and cannot play and cannot hit like he did last year and to see that he's got now. Two home runs back to back games. It's gotta be signed for them. The debts have been pretty solid Aaron judge health that amount of vino with a diving catch in the eighth as Detroit was threatening. He saw it coming to. Here's Gardner explaining to Susan Waldman. After the final told me right before that he actually told me that he was about the dive, Mika place. So I don't know if he's just that good that he knows exactly what's about to happen. But I can't make that up. How to judge? No. It was coming his way throughout the game swinging, you know, especially with happening. It was. Good get off speed pitches. We might get around one, and you know. Gardy? No, no heads up here. Cool with like zero like on out of jersey. I first guy in Yankee history to whereas a lot of Yankee fans in bothers them though, because they thought that you know, every single number was used and retired. And that was that. And you never be touched again and New York guy. He's in zero listen zero stays zero won't be a problem. It looks just looks weird. Of course. It looks weird. It's different unique. Yeah. So the Yanks get the win. But not all good news. Obviously Giancarlo Stanton to the I L grade one. Biceps string injured on a swing early in Sunday's game against Baltimore. He'll be shut down ten days. They hope to have him back by the end of the month. And then there's mcgilla Newhart small Abram tear. So we're gonna treat it conservatively for a couple of weeks and see how response to delivering the news to the media. There's the background saying I'm not sure hadn't caught that before. Did you hear that before? No. I just heard it now. Okay. Okay. Should we play it again or move on his towards the end of it? Maybe right. Just towards the I have those capabilities had enough you did. But this press Jerry many times, sometimes you don't even know which cuts you're firing kind of have to cross your fingers and opens the right one. Speaking of hope the Yanks hope for the best on end do har- season ending surgery. Definitely on the table for that labor. Taryn his right shoulder for now. Clint Frazier and Tyler weight up from AAA Scranton to fill the roster spots Frazier. We'll see a lot of time in the outfield. DJ LeMay Hugh becomes the regular third baseman for now to into Yanks survive? Jay. But they. Jane Bream Rashard e. DJ, gene. No monday. Doom. Where did you pull that one? Yeah. I'd love to hear a summer's interview. Christian Leitner, relaxing. Five days. Tell me about the dream team. Where you dream was it Langbo dreams line was in standing next, Jordan. Did you say this is a dream? Do. It was crazy. I was just like, whoa. You know what? I mean. I do I know engineering. Denuding on poom poom. Latour tomb Desmond Tutu. Let me ask you something. If I may are you gay? Drew? Took a terror. One of my dicamba. That's the question. Is he talking about the NFL? Combine is that what he's talking about? Do we have that in context, I believe now this is going back to the context was he was sort of questioning caller who was being homophobic. Kills a good job at St. calling that a guy for his crap. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Masahiro Tanaka Jordan Zimmermann in came to against the Tigers tonight coverage on the fan five fifty five. It's another six thirty five. First pitch in Miami. Has made things. Interesting after the Mets have to take the lead the top half of the ninety s center almost seventy three. Here's the pitch. Strike three put the bucks. Well, no little more adventurous that Edwin d as one indeed it was how he rose funnel call. I'm Howie rose. Eighty loaded the basis with no one out but settle down to strike out the side preserving these seven three victory. It was a four run nine for the offense. I'm resign. Go ahead. RBI single by Pete Alonzo's. First big-league Homer three run shots right center. Field that traveled four hundred forty four feet very grounded in his post game interview, necessarily make this about me. I mean, this is a whole team effort, and I just want to do whatever I can't every single day to help us win Alonzo, courtesy of SNL. Why added this? I think we're championship ballclub in we're showing resilience, and we're going to show that all year, and we're going to continue to play. Well, he said that Mickey and Brody have been instilling that in every single day since spring training for the messaging, I like them, but I don't necessarily know that we need to know about all this stuff. Right. Wait a second. Don't be negative. Peru. All the cliches and everything the crab team. Just dealing with all that stuff. I hear you well Alonzo we'll take a seat tonight though, because Calloway's gonna give Dom Smith a loan is going to be starting tomorrow at first he's. And you know, he deserves a chance to go out there and mortgage rain on and do some damage Smith again that ninth-inning rally with a pinch hit single. He's two for four with a couple of RBI's to was yesterday and limited were could be April. Fools joke. Could be maybe slept on it and changed his mind. We'll see laundly Garris homered in this game. Jeff McNeil double to hits a piece. Michael conforto. Wilson romo's have mentioned Stephen Matt's all day five into third three runs. Just one earned took a no decision season debut for Jason Vargas tonight opposed by Jose Arena at seven ten Phillies in nationals of a quick two game series, beginning this evening, Bryce, Harper's return to DC with max sherzer on the mound for Washington and the one in four Red Sox send Chris sale to the mound in Oakland. He'll be looking back from what was a very poor opening day start. All right. Just one second. It's time now to bring in our WFAN giants beat reporter pulled the Tino, we are asking he may question of the day every day from now until the NFL it's time for the paulie dot spot is Eli manning gonna play for the rest of his life poll. Oh, that's impossible. It's paulie I'm spot. Finally that was pretty good. Finally, a good answer from him. So I did not have to moan or wasn't a punch in the gut the least mid it. He's not gonna play the rest of his life. So at some point the giants will have a new quarterback and you guys aim to get Paul one morning in the midst of one of his five mile runs of Jesus runs five miles a day. He's a big runner. Yeah. Wow. I think I don't know if it's every day, but he's out there usually pounding the pavement. Maybe you can get them huffing and puffing made run. Let me he's only on for a second and a half. So I don't know if we're going to be able to tell the difference if he's laying in his bed or is in a half marathon, Eddie like fades up the phone line. As you're asking the question, you might hear him. Yeah. Exactly. Okay. We covered yesterday's press conference in Cleveland quite a bit. Jarvis landry. Baker Mayfield Myles Garrett on hand to welcome aboard. One Odell Beckham junior he did a one on one with our own Jones for NFL network. Just after the presser ended Kim, of course, has been outspoken in support of Odell feels she knows the real person and wants them to show. It is my plea deal. I already said it publicly can you please? Let Cleveland get to know the real Odell Beckham junior because they're gonna fall in love with them. And they're going to respect him awful lot. And it sounds like he is on board with that plan. Think that Cleveland is visitors junior that they could possibly have. And if I could do that the way, you know, that you, you know, me I think it's going to be a management go. Maybe it'll be a coup for Cleveland when all said and done very nice in Brooklyn Janas played and the bucks got by the net. Nearside eighteen is good. Got after his all miss knocked it loose Kubo back and he put it in. Oh, yeah. Janice with an amazing sequence story the season for Milwaukee, Chris Carino or call twenty eight and eleven boards for Janas while Eric Bledsoe, led Milwaukee with twenty nine points bucks bounce back after blowing a twenty two point. I f lead to beat the nets one thirty one Twenty-one pistons, heat and magic all lost as well. So a six place or excuse me, six place through nine place in the east separated by a game and a half the nets currently in seventh. They've got four to play host the raptors tomorrow night, and by the way, failed to mention this this morning, he SPN reports. Kenny Atkinson and his staff are closing in on contract extensions with the nets prime to go to the playoffs. So that's good news for them. Knicks beat the bulls at the garden one thirteen one oh five snap a six game skid, but they still own an NBA worst record of fifteen and sixty two on ice. John Taveras exacting revenge against the island and Eric cross ice pass by tapes here on the tape of Mitch mornings for tomorrow's circles to thin scores. John to there is as his first ever goal against the New York Islanders king islanders. Turned out to be the game winner. We always talk about Chris king in his the pitch of his voice when he's with the goals, but he's got a thick Long Island accent that I really really love. Mitch Mona up to Mitch Mon to various oh, shootin schools, he schools. Mitch Mona amazing when he gets into that that what his voice shoots up a little bit different than Mitch Mona shoot up there because it was not an island. Eric cross ice pass by tapes here on the tape of Mitch mornings for tomorrow's circles. Too thin scores. There is as I ever goal against the New York Islanders forty six of the season. Points. Eighty seven of them to run a one to one clinch a playoff berth. Somebody get berry trots throat laws and some credit rationing their game. Didn't we did it more on ours? Upset hockey coach. Right. They're giving it to team all night. A lot to say a tough game. It was it was. But he's a little more desperation playoff atmosphere, and the maple leaves actually clinch the play last night capitals lost as well. The islanders still technically. And they did. So the I still have little little breathing room to make that last game of the season with Washington actually means something as far as wrapping up the metropolitan division goes the devil's double up the Rangers at the rock four to two, and we also mentioned earlier Kentucky giving John Calipari lifetime contract after he was flirting with UCLA and their head coaching UCLA pantley was offering forty eight million over six years. So Kentucky said here's a blank check and a lifetime deal. But how about we give you like, you know, forty million over four years and you'll like it and stay give a lifetime contract. Not really not really sure, you know, down a lifetime contract. But. All right, telling you know, maybe a different time. I would have accepted this particular time, just, you know, along faxes mom, folks on factors involved. So people think lifetime contract, you gotta take it not always the case back after this. 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Scott Harrison: transformation, finding meaning, and taking on the global water crisis (EP.25)

The Peter Attia Drive

2:18:39 hr | 2 years ago

Scott Harrison: transformation, finding meaning, and taking on the global water crisis (EP.25)

"Hey, everyone. Welcome to the Peter Attiyah drive. I'm your host Peter. Drive is a result of my hunger for optimizing performance health on Javadi critical thinking along with a few other obsessions along the way. I've spent the last several years working with some of the most successful top performing individuals in the world. And this podcast is my attempt to synthesize what I've learned along the way to help you live a higher quality more fulfilling life. If you enjoy this podcast, you can find more information on today's episode and other topics at Peter, Tia, MD dot com. Everyone welcome to this week's episode of the drive. My guest this week is a gentleman by the name of Scott Harrison who I suspect many of you have not heard of which is not uncommon for this podcast, but my hope is certainly by the end of this episode, you'll be glad you heard them and heard him Scott's the founder and CEO of charity water which will talk about in great detail. Charity. Water is a pretty unique charity. Not just in the work they're doing is remarkable, but I think the efficiency with which they do it in the transparency with which they do it in this sort of financial model that they've built is really interesting. But truthfully, the real reason I had Scott on was not so much to talk about charity water and we do get to it probably at the end of the podcast, but it's more to actually talk about his personal story. And even though Scott has you'll learn in this podcast is religious, and I don't find myself to be religious person anyway, shape or form. I'm really moved by not just his conviction, but this sort of incredible sense of purpose. He's found in life, and it's really. His life's story and transformation that really moved me. The very first time we met, which was about four five years ago. And to this day, whenever I speak with Scott, I come away feeling on some level, like kind of a lousy person who's not good enough, which is probably okay. But more importantly, just inspired and I'm convinced that you will. You'll come away also feeling inspired by Scott who never wants is the kind of person that leaves you feeling like, why aren't you doing more? But Scott has really dedicated his life to helping people in a way that I think many of us can only dream of, I would go so far as to say, honestly, that Scott is one of two people that I consider the most remarkable people in the nonprofit space. The other one being a woman by the name of Catherine Hoke who some of you may have heard of. She's been on Tim Ferriss podcast, and I'm sure to have her on here at some point as well. But you know, between cat Hoke and Scott Harrison, I find him to be two of the most inspiring people who have really chosen to dedicate their lives to the public sector in this. Way. Part of the stuff we talk about in this episode has been covered in his book. So Scott is now a New York Times, bestselling author, that book is called thirst. I don't know that he'd want me to publicly disclose what the advance was that it was a very sizable advance and he gave every single penny of that to his charity and all of that goes directly to the work that they're doing. He's an amazing speaker and he's just kind of a magnetic personality. So I would invite you to take a chance and listen to this even if it sounds like at the surface, this isn't what I'm really interested in, but I think you will definitely get something out of this and you'll definitely get a sense as I did of how we can get a glimpse of happiness and how Scott on one level you know, in the first chapter of his adult life seemed to be living what many of us might think that sounds pretty cool and interesting, and I can see how that would make you happy, but how he alternately found something totally different. And and now I think Scott's probably one of the happiest people. I know. So without any further delay, welcome to this episode with. Scott harris. Scott. Good to have you here. Man. Nice to be here. Thanks for slumming on the free side with me, take the train up. It was pretty quick. It's actually a nice day, so it's beautiful. It's the falls my favorite time. What do you live? You live in Tribeca. Okay. Actually, battery Park City say we had kids and moved across the highway. Got. So we met in kind of one of the funniest ways imaginable. And that's been what three or four years ago you gonna tell. Well, no, it's just, I mean, you can tell tell the story from my end and you can tell us right from your end, but will not name the name of the person who we met through. But we met through one of my patients and we were all at this meeting called dialogue, which I've enjoyed. And I've gone to probably four them. I didn't go this year was my first. You're not going in a while and it was a weird day, but I had arranged for my family to come to meet at the airport, and then we were gonna fly together on his plane to New York. And as we were leaving the hotel, he said, hey, I met this really cool guy. He's gonna hop on the flight with us. Do you mind to which I said, how can you ask me if I mind it's plane? Of course, I don't mind, but yeah. Awesome. And so we basically you and I met in the for the first time in the car ride on the way to airport because dialogue is big enough that it's easy to not meet somebody there. So we didn't actually sit in any sessions together. So that's that was. How he met it wasn't your birthday. It was. It was just by coincidence that happened to be my birthday. And the funniest part is we got somehow got talking about watches and pretty early in the conversation. You mentioned, look, I'm on a budget, man. I run a nonprofit. I can't. I can't be rolling with a high level watches and I think you said, sort of what is your best? What's your favorite watch? You know, on a certain price point and I said, oh, this is a no brainer man Saco it's the Saco cocktail. And I remember on my phone, I pulled up picture and I showed it to you and you like that's gorgeous. And then and then we, you know, we spent seven minutes talking about that in twenty three minutes talking about your story, which was really captivating. But then if I remember correctly, your wife had then surprised you at the end of a flight with that specific watch. That's right. This is the only time my wife has bought me a watch because she generally doesn't like to support my watch habit, but she also knew how much I loved the Saco cocktail. So when we're on the plane, she whips out the watch, which I couldn't believe it. Not only that she had done this even ordinarily. I would have been very surprised, but how could this have happened few hours after we had just talked about it, and then you gave the watch to me which was which was a wonderful ASA prize and nice. And I think that's as your wife even more. I asked her, I said, you know, hey, I know this is gonna sound strange, but and I love the watch. So please don't assume that like I'm asking you this because I don't love the watch, but I think giving this watch to Scott would be like, it's almost it's meant to be sort of. He's meant to have this watch because it's what we talked about. And I told her the whole story and she was like, yeah, you're right. You gotta. You gotta give the watch, which I'm very grateful for actually heard someone in California who's a family friend say once that on his birthday, he would give gifts to everyone else. He would gifts to his children and then later his grandchildren. So he would look at his birthday as the time that he could laugh. Vish extravagant gifts on all the level ones around him, which I always thought was so nice. Well, and you have kids. So I think you understand what all of us understand who have kids, and I'm sure there are people who have come to appreciate this even before they have kids, which I guess in some way I did as well, but it is really much more enjoyable to give than to receive. And it was probably two years before I went out and finally bought myself a cocktail, and it was funny. I kind of forgot that I'd give it to you. And then about a year ago, I remember somebody on Twitter, said Peter, please tell me best watch to get under five hundred. I said, Seiko cocktail. Here you go. And you just chimed in on Twitter and made a comment that nobody else would have known what the context was, but I was like, oh my God, I totally forgot about that. That's fun. And birthdays have been significant for me and for the organization. So that was just a fun, really fun thing. So thanks for that. Well, more importantly, let's talk about the the real stuff that we talked about because we had, you know, obviously that car ride, and then we had like a five hour flight to New York. When we got to really kind of talk. About your story, which which I was just blown away by an at the time. My day job was running a nonprofit, and unfortunately for me. The single, it's the worst professional experience in my life. I really hated running a nonprofit. I probably vented to you somewhat about how much I hated fundraising, which sort of became the only thing I was doing, but I was really blown away by not just your work, but the efficiency with which you did it. And once you're in the nonprofit space, you start to understand what metrics matter and look. I mean a lot of nonprofits doing great work, but some of them are doing it with staggering efficiency. And you know, I'm gonna wanna hear all about that. But actually the part that really gripped me was your background. So let's if if you don't mind, can we start at the beginning? Sure. Where'd you grow up? I was born in Philadelphian and my dad was he'd been working for Arthur Anderson. He was kind of on the big accounting career trajectory would would hope to make partner one day had me and then started. Traveling. He was traveling all the time and said, look, I'm actually going to jump off that track and to take a smaller job push what not to be a transformer company selling power supply to the navy into municipality. So we moved to get closer to his new job, which would have him not on the road and allowed to be a dad. They wanted a bigger family in my mom, and she was a writer says she was working for the Philadelphia Inquirer and the local newspaper. And at four, we pick up from outside of a suburb outside Philly. Moved to south jersey into this. I remember it was a very gray drab for bedroom house, not their dream house by any stretch of the imagination, but it was twenty two minutes from his job which he decide twenty two minute commute. I remember he just kept saying, and it was a good school. It was on a cul de sacs. I could walk to school tell him inter-school. And what we didn't know was that the gas company had installed a faulty. The heat exchanger in this house, and there was a carbon dioxide gas leak. So we move into the dead of winter and it's an energy efficient house. So the whole thing is just locked up tight. And we all start breathing in these invisible fumes. I get a little sick headaches and just some kind of our g spring up. My dad gets a little sick, but we were only doing nights in house and we were doing upstairs. My mom unfortunately was doing all twenty four hours in the house unpacking boxes. Fixing up the house, fixing up the basement actually, and New Year's day, nineteen eighty. She walks across the bedroom and she collapses unconscious. And after a series of blood tests, they finally identify massive amounts of carbon hemoglobin this a while to period of couple months. Yeah, yeah, there was this was a real in your book which we're going to get to. Because obviously, listeners, I think, would really enjoy your book. This was something I didn't even know from meeting you. This is something I knew only from reading. The book, but that was a really, really complicated diagnosis. I mean, that was not obvious to the doctors what was going on with your mom, and I almost it's not even clear you're representing in as much detail just how sick she became. Yeah. And what happened again from my non medical perspective, was my mom's immune system died so is irreparably destroyed and she went from flying around the world. My dad, I mean, they before they had me, they were flying to Paris into to Rome vacationing in the Bahamas and Bermuda they were. They were completely healthy. She was at tennis player just as vibrant, amazing, wife, and then later amazing mom from this moment effectively. Anything chemical begins to make her sick very sick, perfume soap, car fumes. The ink from books would make the print the smell from a new book. And she goes from clinic to clinic. And they wind up isolating, and they find the by selecting from all toxins. She can be okay so that the healthiest they can ever get her is drinking spring water, eating one, organic food on a rotation diets every six days. So breakfast would be cashews. Lunch would be lettuce. Dinner would be piece of cod because she had a slew of food allergies came along with us and bringing her back from the clinics with this diagnosis of multiple chemical sensitivity, or they called it environmental illness. At the at one point. If I recall she did a five day fast, they put her on water only to try to sort of detox her and and then try foods one by one reacted negatively to almost every food. So I think she had maybe twenty foods at the end after testing over one hundred. So what I remember as a kid was there was a miscarriage that happened around this time and then family planning stopped. So I was an only child growing up and I go very quickly into care. Give a role to help dad take care of mom. This started when you were four, five or happened very quickly. We've been prepared a special room for her that would be her safe room in the house. And I remember it was tile bathroom mill little bathtub, and we put an army cot in there for her to sleep in. And then we washed, we used to wash everything in baking soda. Baking soda was just there was ever around the house. So we would wash clothes, ten times and making such to get any odor out. We watch this army cot that was made of cotton at least ten times to get all the smell at in the number. My dad covered the door with aluminum foil because there there might be the slight smell from the varnish stain used years ago. So this then became a room and she always wore these charcoal masks, which would also help to filter out there were years where oxygen played a part and she'd be walking around with oxygen tanks. Tell me how high her levels were. So the diagnosis of carbon monoxide. Needs to be made three blood, and you measure a by product of it and once you cry. So most of us walking around should be at zero. Yeah. What was her level actually wrote about in the book? I don't remember. I remember it was way it was shot. It was twenty or twenty five times than the upper limit of what we would consider toxic, yes. And way more than a smoker. You know, it was. It was in the upper room. We never tested dad night. It was interesting because we, we were also exposed and I remember bouncing back. So the food, our kind of went away the headaches when Osho you had food allergies as well. I did too. I would. I would have headaches. I would have nausea, my dad eventually ripped out the heater, so he found the leak. And then through the thing on the driveway, it was a really sad story because my dad actually suspected that maybe something was wrong with the stove or the heater. So he called the gas company out a couple times. They checked everything checked the hose and said, no, everything's fine. So as a plumber friend of his that said. Let's go in the basement and they ripped out the thing and they found it themselves. And this this really destroyed our our lives and the gas company wasn't terribly accommodating if I recall no an and I guess most people would have expected my parents to sue for negligence. I think a couple things happened one. They just become Christians become people faith right around this time. I think I was too, and they had a doctor friend from their church that said, had think you should do. I don't think this would be good for your family to be in a long, protracted, angry, bitter battle. You've got healthcare and it was an accident actually wasn't accident. It wasn't like the gas company was trying to kill my family. This was an accident. This was a faulty piece of metal that was installed. So I think my parents took a settlement check for twelve hundred fifty or fifteen hundred dollars from the gas company and said, okay, and I can relate to that. I had a really bad back injury and medical school. School which talked about in the past, but a lot of things went wrong with my care, including surgeon that operated on the wrong side, and I lived a different life for about a year including three months where I couldn't even feed myself and when it was like, so now obviously I'm fine. Right. And I was find a relative short period of time within a year. I was completely functional within, I would say three years I was as good as before, and whenever I tell the story, people are always like, oh, you must've sued for a lot of money. It's fine. It never crossed my mind and I always kind of joke about it and sale. I think it's because I grew up in Canada and were simply not litigious people in Canada. I don't know. But I also realized that in the moment, the only thing you want to do is get better in a lawsuit. Generally doesn't accelerate that now I'm not for a moment saying there shouldn't be litigious action. Lawsuits certainly have their place, but I think most people don't come to the conclusion that I think your family friend came to, which is. My brother's a lawyer. So I see what lawsuits look like. I understand from friends and family, what that process is it generally results in more pain before there is a remedy certainly stress? Yes. And I mean, we talk about it in. It sounds touchy feely, but stress really matters, and especially in the case of what your mom was going through, I suspect stress would have been a far greater impediment to her recovery. The other thing about your story about your mom story that blows my mind just as doc is people like your mom often fall through the cracks in medicine. 'cause they're viewed as crazy. So we have a bad habit in medicine of dismissing patients when we don't know what's wrong, and they don't fit into an obvious bucket. So you say, well, if she was totally healthy and now she's a wreck, it's it's gotta be undermined. You know, she's got to be having a nervous breakdown. There's got to be something going on and it's it's. You know, I see this a lot and I get approached a lot by people who are in that situation and it breaks my heart 'cause I don't know how to fix it. I mean, that's just, I don't. You know, there's a real narrow lane that I play in but deep down. I know I have a hard time believing that there's that many people who are sort of crazy in that in reality. I remember something on my med school professor said, which is we use this term in medicine idiopathic idiopathic means we don't know what the causes so you have ideographic fill in the blank idiopathic pain. And he says, you know what? It really means is probably idiotic like referring to the doctor, not the patient. So I guess you're not old enough to recall, but in discussions with your mom, since I mean, did you get a sense of how difficult it was for your mom and dad during the period of time when the diagnosis was unclear and it was this huge mystery of what the heck happened. While I remember minaret about this in the book, people thought dad was crazy at work. So mom was crazy. So they would say, oh, this is just. In her head, and I remember the term psychosomatic thrown around so so much as a kid. And I was never suspect of that until I became a teenager, and then I joined that camp briefly just thinking it's just not possible. I mean, some of these things that she said made her sick just just seem to defy logic to me to thirteen or fourteen year old boy, you know the, there's the south. Remember this seem that I write about where there was a period of time where electro-magnetic radiation was making you're sick TV's radio waves. And I thought she's just trying to rain on my parade and make sure I don't watch TV or listen to the radio so that I'm reading all the time up in my room. But I got to try this with my kids. Anytime they spend more than thirty minutes on the I passed getting sick. I gotta get sick twitching. So this this one night. You know, I'm I'm very, very clever and the little teenage boy, you know, climbs up the stairs, and I've got a radio in my hand and all the lights are out padding very softly. And there's an outlet right outside the door. So her doors close the tin foil door, and I turn the radio. I plug it in, but the volumes all the way down and I turn the speakers so that they're aiming right at the cot where she sleeping in the other side of the door. And I'm like, I'm just gonna. I'm gonna nuke you all night with the radio waves. You're gonna wake up fine and I'm gonna have a big, aha. I'm going to drop the mic on this and I'm gonna listen to all the radio. I freaking one from this point on, well, the opposite happened the the morning. She woke up. She was terribly sick. I don't remember the specific symptom she had that day, but she was really scared because what had gotten to her inner safe room. I mean, this is the room that she would go to recover from exposure to things and actually don't remember feeling that much shame or you know. Feeling that bad as a kid, but it it did cross it off the list. You know, I believe her, and that was a really important moment for me to say, well, okay, she's specifically with us. She's not crazy. And that was one of the the crazy ones. I mean, you can understand how car fumes are a diesel truck going by, probably not great for our bodies will mom would have migraine within thirty seconds of that exposure or often would even break out, you know, her body would just start reacting. So it was weird. It was a weird childhood. I remember you know, you just have these glimpses in these scenes. The books was just this illustration of how far she'd really gone and mom being a writer. She was also an avid reader and she still wanted to have books in our life. So my dad's and my solution to this was we would would bake them. We would open up the oven and we would just start baking over the period of a day or two on low, maybe two hundred two fifty. And we'd be moving the. Pages just to try to out Gasset to get that smell of new print out through the heat. We would also put him out in the sun just recently was home, and I came across a family photo in an album of hundred books out on the grass, baking in the sun, just out alcoholic. So that was a there were these words outgassing reacting. These are words that getting pure that would just here know countless times growing up. So I wanted mom to be like other moms, but I'd say in the first part of childhood, I was really taken care of. I felt bad for her. I would go singer songs. I would go and sit with her. I was always getting pure. So if I came in from the outside world, I would have to wear a special clothes that had been washed in baking soda, and they were close trees out in the garage where I take off the clothes that might have. I don't the whiff of smoke on them or my dad was. I was giving me the sniff test like a blood out, you know, I'd walk in from. The outside. Oh, I smell this smell that because I never wanted to change my clothes. I'd say, I'm fine. I wasn't around anything. I went for a walk, you know, there's they would always smell something so then I would I would. I was constantly getting pure so that I could be around her and it was it was it was weird. I did a lot of the cooking for her. Did the cleaning the washing up. And then I think is that moved towards as it moved into teenage years, I speak into really resent it and resent her less than just going back a minute. You know, the what was really helpful for my parents was finding other people like mom who had been sick, and I don't remember she was the only one I remember that had been sick because of gas leak. But I do remember a couple people in our family friends that had been completely normal. And then one day a pesticide company came in and did all the lawns in the neighborhood. I think it was called Chem lawn and they just napped. And they were like, mom. The next day. So there was something in their body just couldn't take massive amounts of pesticides throughout the entire neighborhood on their lawn in their front lawn in their backyard. And that made sense to me. At least there was an event. Pesticides are probably not good for any of us, but your, you know, your body in my body, we we can fight that off. So I remember that really helped me to Zing mama's not alone. There is a community of environmentally sensitive patients, and my dad was just this hero through the whole thing. He doesn't leave her. They slept in separate beds for almost ten years because there was a period of time, but she needed to be in this special room and there was a period of time where he would make her sick, the can Dida. I mean, it was just always always something making her sick, and he just stuck suck. Buyer meal is very loyal. Tried to do the best. He could with me and take me to baseball when he could and soccer and give me the most normal life that he could, but it was far from normal. You know you a obviously, there's many kids that go through variations of this, but in many ways, you were sort of what we would call meshed the measurement meaning you. You were forced into an adult role too soon. And I guess it's not surprising to me that as a teenager, you'd start to kind of rebel against that because you sort of you miss that period of life when you have absolutely no responsibility and you had responsibility. I mean, it's hard for me to imagine what you're talking about based on a personal experience, but but I can try to extrapolate that, you know. Look you. You were forced into a caregiver role. You were sharing care with your father of your mom. And so do you remember when it started to sort of become frustrating to you? And you know, my guess is the combination of adolescence puberty by themselves are enough jarring disruptive change coupled with the, you know, the soil of of all you've experienced. I think you know there was a hope as a child. Maybe this would end and when you hit Atta lessons and I realize this was never gonna end, there was no cure and you could you bring friends over after school and hang out, or is that just too disruptive to the house leave? They stayed outside. So there were signs keep out on all the doors, chemically sensitive patient said now they couldn't come in. There were periods of time later on in high school where if they did get pure and mom was in a different part of the house, then we can open up the windows and air out that room. So they were there were some exceptions. But the general rule was everything had all life had to happen outside of the house. This is terrible for her to to not be able to play video, nothing against play board games, or I mean, she'd be watching out a window as I played soccer in the back, but you couldn't really meet my friends and see what they were like. She couldn't invite them into the kitchen and bake brownies all these things that she really wanted to do. So there was a lot of pain for her feeling like she wasn't able to show up as a mother or as a wife. How did your mom cope with that pain, the emotionally pain? Well, my parents, there's, there's one answer she had this unwavering faith. She would read the bible. She would. She would try and stay positive. She would thank God for her symptoms and believe that through these trials, she was getting closer to to to serving closer to kind of having this pure hearts. So really, I mean, just a remarkable extreme version of stoicism. Really, if you. Think about it. I mean, I think you know, the stoic Marcus really is in Seneca. Of course they don't talk so much about religion, but there's still this belief that these these challenges make us better. These struggles this pain without it. You know, you can't sharpen the knife without a show without, you know, a blunt object and from, I think that was in sounds like she was describing it and in the picture of Jesus, he was suffering. And you know that there's all these stories that she would find in the bible people suffering and it being for a great purpose. You know, they're being a a reason for it all. So I just remember she would she'd walk around in the, she would say, like praise God for the fabric softener. The just made her sick. You know, she was just trying to stay positive well throughout all of this. So kicking up into the teenage years to start to rebel against the role of faith. The role of the church, the rules, the religio city. I didn't like going to church anymore, you know, is more fun as a kid when they're telling stories of Joan in the whale and. The flannel boards, but not as a as a teenager wouldn't realize you're not allowed to swear. You're not allowed to sleep around. You can't drink, can't smoke. It was a lot of rules. There's a lot of can't deuce in. Remember, I have this vivid memory of coming home after school and mom. There was a period of time where mom then lived out in the yard. A friend built a lean too. So she found that in times where the pollen wasn't too bad of the mold wasn't too bad. There were seasons where she would feel better sitting outside than her safe room, and she would have this little igloo cooler next to her. She would have a chair. She had a mask on and she would just protect yourself from the wind. So she would be on one of these four corners depending on which way the wind was blowing. And I would come home from school and she'd here the car, pull up into the driveway and she'd yell my name, and I just pretend not to hear and walk in the house which you know that to me feels like the Kennedy picture of the. It's just got old. This was tiring. You know, I didn't want to go and find out what she wanted me to bring her. And I can only imagine that on some level that produces some guilt and shame within you. But at the same time, it's sort of a protective thing that you're doing because of all the sort of the pain in the trauma that that you've been in, it's been afflicted on nuisance, you're for years old. And so I've always find like stories like this to be so tragic in a way. And I mean, I think in many ways, your story has a happy ending, but for many people, these don't have happy endings because nobody's at fault here. These this isn't about like blame or fault, right? People get sick, bad things happen. And yet families can get ripped apart by these things in ways that aren't entirely obvious. I think what comes next in your story to me is makes much more sense after I read your book than just knowing a couple of snippets along the way. Now you're pretty musical guy, right? Grown-up. I remember by grandpa taught me at four. Tommy on an Oregon, I I played. So then in high school you, you transfer to a new school? If I recall, I gotta talk about the first school so that this is also the rebellion. So I'd gone to public elementary school, and then they put me in a Christian Baptist middle school which actually liked. But then ninth grade freshman year of high school. They put me in the basement of church school and they were nine people in my freshman class and they couldn't afford enough teachers. So we would be taught by VHS video so they would wheel in the cart. Remember those old gray metal carts. They had kind of the ribbed trays and they'd pop in science, and we'd sit there for forty five minutes, which felt like a hundred hours and it was just terrible way to wear these ugly unify. Forms and everything was wrong for a fourteen year old kid going to school in the basement of a church by video, and I was surprised this was accredited how it's it's amazing to me that the they did the best. And it's it's funny because I know bunch of people that came out of that school all four years and actually became very successful. I just at that moment, I, I wanted to explore the public high school and it couldn't be any more different. They were four thousand people while in high school. I think my parents saw something in something simmering maybe in my personality that really scared them. Throwing me into this worldly high school were undoubtedly there would be drugs and sex and drinking and ungodly things going on. And I remember just saying, look, I'm gonna run away from home or I'm not going back to school and they said, you know, and I was mart enough to say, look, I'm not being challenged academically. Challenged. I was an avid reader growing up. Remember getting a job when I was fourteen writing fourteen fifteen writing for the local county newspaper. So I was a pretty good writer. I was an avid reader TV was just TV made mom sick. So we did have a tiny TV, but it was in a in a room that would they made really uncomfortable. And maybe I watched a couple of hours of TV week growing up. So reading was really my escape, and I move into the big high school and exactly what they had feared happens almost immediately fallen with the wrong crowd. I fallen with a crowd who's older and is not really interested in going is school, but was in a band. So I then joined the band, which was a alternative rock band, and it was kind of Counting Crows meets Pearl Jam meets live, and I was going to be the keyboard player. What was the name of the band's called Sunday river, just random. It was like a ski resort, New Hampshire we'd heard of and nobody even been to. So I joined this band. And I grow my hair start growing my hair out. So it hits my shoulders and either become the band's. I self appoint as the band's manager and I am going to get a record deal. So you're the keyboard guy and the man the manager. So I'm sending demo tapes into New York City. And for some strange reason, people listen to our tapes and say, hey, we'll book. So we start playing CBGB's the wetlands assist like what? Mid eighties, late eighties. This would be let's see. Seventy. Five ninety three. Okay. Okay. Three to ninety five. Yeah, and we're driving my parents, Ford Taurus station wagon. You know, I'm throwing all the gear. The keyboards guitar drive it into New York City would drive into Philly. We're playing not that interested in going to school. So I'm c. minus student at best in this new high school and I'm not jumping into the drugs of the band was doing and I'm not jumping into all the vices yet. But they made it look good and they made it look cool. So what prevented you from joining them? I don't know. I think I was still holding onto, yeah, the virtue. I was still trying to stay pure. I guess you could say. So what was the what was the best part for you in that moment prior to going further into drugs raleigh's other things? Was it just a sense of like community and tribe with these guys and play music? Was fun playing music in front of, you know, three hundred, four hundred people drive into New York City, legendary CBGB's where you know, I don't know all these great bands had been discovered been been found, and then talking with an are people at labels that were interested in being pursued by real managers. This was a a moment in time that felt like we were. We in a shot at getting a record deal and record deals back. Then they were thing. You know, he was Atlanta records and b. m. g. in version, you know, it was a really exciting. Possibility. How close read the other guys in the band, they know about your story at home? They did. They did. I wasn't that close. They were in a way they were. They were other. They were more worldly. They hadn't been sheltered. They, you know, had been sleeping around for years. They'd been smoking in experimenting with drinking and drugs for years. They were older, maybe two, four years older. So I was the baby, the band, but it was. It was a sense of community. It was. It was fun. Being together playing music and driving to have these experiences. It felt dangerous. It fell veggie. So I barely graduate high school. I remember up until the very last day, neither my parents, nor I knew whether it would actually have enough attendance credit to get the high school diploma. I mean, I was on the brink. It was one day. I thought shy of actually passing and I would have to repeat the twelfth grade. And I think I probably I probably got a doctor or something to lie about something. I mean, I'm in the past, but certainly, you know, high school was not a senior. Were you applying the college? I wasn't because I was. I was delighted to announce to my parents that I would not be going to college. I would not be pursuing further education because I would be getting a record deal Peter. That's what that's what bands deal. Right? All ban in New York City and we get, I would be getting a multi-million dollar record deal. I, I now my parents so who would need a college education when you had a multi-million dollar record deal and you're touring not just the country, but the world and your parents had worked pretty hard to put money aside for you to go to college? They had to there was little over one hundred thousand dollars sitting in an account since birth. You know he'd been putting in probably a couple hundred bucks a month or whatever you could. My dad was very middle class, they they didn't spend money on things. They'd run their cars. Fifteen twenty years. You know, they buy a Toyota Camry and keep it for twenty years would go to the diner when it was two for one special. So he was a saver. I need save for college. So this was really a front to them. And I think what made it even more difficult was that when I was a child, I wanted to be a doctor. So I was talking about Johns Hopkins Medical school. That was if you'd asked me probably up until thirteen fourteen what I was going to do. It was doctor to help people like mom, I was going to be in the meta. And I'm obviously didn't have the grades to do that in high school and took a different path. So yeah, I moved to New York City by myself. I'm the only band member that takes the leap, but I said, well, the band's manager me needs to be in the heart of things. I moved to an apartment in Greenwich Village as paying six hundred and fifty dollars a month. It was on Christopher street and seven, and it wasn't too big. If I recall it was it was hundreds of square feet. It was tiny was a sixth floor walkup and it just felt amazing. I mean, I was living in the heart of the west village alone. It's the dream. It was the dream and I start working at Sam was that ninety six ninety? Five said this would be you here for the big snowstorm in January of ninety six. You remember that I was. Yeah, this would have been ninety four so I was nineteen. And you know, I start working at sammamish music. 'cause I wanted some some pocket money alongside the very little money that our bands. Would make gigging and I then realized that. So I actually met a manager for our band who says, well, I'm, I'm actually a real band manager and I'll take you guys on and we, we signed a contract and I remember him finding out that my dad had saved for college and he said, well, you're in New York City. You're crazy to squander that money. He's not going to give it to you for anything else. So why don't you go to NYU part time you might as well get a degree and there's Tisch school of the arts. I mean, it's, it's you're in the city might as well. You have the time and he'd been NYU grad. So I then call my parents and say, okay, you can start paying NYU. So I've got no scholarship. I mean, you know, I picked one of the most expensive schools in the country. And I do wind up getting a degree again without any sort of colors. I mean, see student really just putting in the minimum amount of work to make that happy. And what did you study communications? Because it was easy I could write and communicate. So the van breaks up by the way, does those comeback. There's a lot of there's a lot of this in so funny. I mean, I've now gotten several awards from NYU. They invite me to speak. I just made a video for the commencement ceremony. Snell I'm like celebrated by NYU many years later in every time they've interviewed me probably six or seven interviews now I'm like, okay, so here's what really happened. Don't ask me this questions because I can't lie. I can talk about the city being a great campus. I could talk about, you know, the diversity of New York and the community, but don't ask me what it was like for me because I would. I was not your good student, so. Okay. So I'm living in the village. I'm working at Sam ash the ban breaks up months later, and it was a lot of drugs and we didn't like each other that much. I mean, it was we didn't like other outside of the time that we run stage, but I've already made the leap to New York. I've got this NYU opportunity and I'm making pretty good money selling high-end stereo care. I remember when night Stevie Wonder came in and I got to sell him fifty thousand dollars of gear and make a commission on that cowards and modules and all this stuff. So I was, I want some favor with my managers that I would get to do a lot of the big clients. I then almost immediately start dabbling in nightlife. So you've got all this stuff going on a minute. NYU part time. I'm working at Sam ash, and then the guy that booked out my band convinces me just by way of watching him that I was always on the wrong side of the equation. Because our band would turn up, we'd bring a hundred people to the club paying customers, and they might throw us a twentieth of that or thirtieth of that and say, here's a couple hundred bucks. Go split up six ways wasn't even up to pay for gas or the guitar strings. But I, I loved the idea of the nightclub owner. You know the person on the other side of the rope deciding who got in and who didn't. So I try my hand at that and I joined this guy and say, you know, he starts one hundred bucks a week or two hundred bucks a week, and I'm just his side kick in actual job. The job is to fill the venue with beautiful paying customers, and then you get a cut and how do you go about figuring out who's beautiful and paying and get them into said club? Is it literally going out to a lineup on the street and trying to identify in the line who should jump up? That's a great problem to have. Now you gotta actually get the line. You get the line. So the lot of that is just networking. It's being out meeting people getting their phone numbers later, getting their Email addresses. But if you're a club promoter today, starting at zero, you'd have to be out seven nights this week, and you'd be striking up conversations, hey, how are you? I'm Pete. What do you do? You know, I'm in New York City and I'm living in a couple different places. Oh, hey, would you wanna come to a party sometime? I've got this amazing fashion party. We're going to be doing for Prada during fashion week and you'd say that sounds great. That's how cool I'll I'll put you on the list. Raleigh, I'll Email and you might say, why won't actually put together a group of friends Griddle, Celje table in it's gonna cost a couple thousand dollars, but I'll give you prime seating in the club in this amazing DJ flying in from Paris, and you know, he'd throws parties at hotel costs like you. You may not have even heard of any of this stuff, but we make it sound so great. It's a party you have to be at. So we're promoting, we're constantly out there promoting, and now I have Peter on the list and maybe you come and you bring a few friends. So what did you do before eat. Email was around because this was phone all just dialing, but have cell phones, like how was home phones office. It was voicemail. It was beepers. We'd beat people, they'd call us back. Email, believe me the minute that took off. We embrace though right away, and then we started building one of the first Email lists in clubs and open rates. One hundred percent. I mean, it was it was extraordinarily meaning everybody Andrea. Everybody would open an Email, even a form Email I shut or day. What would that open? Be fine. Maybe. I don't know. So magin the next time, Airbnb year, Google sins out anymore app. Okay, apples. Perfect sample, right. Appleton's an Email, new event coming new iphones. Maybe five to eight percent would actually open it. Yeah, you're deal deleted or I'll see it later. Just sits there. So back then imagine apples and something in every single person is like, oh my gosh, I got an Email. Cool. So we started list and I just get good at this and leave my partner. I go start producing alive, harm be open mic night at pretty legendary club called Nells on fourteenth street that you is in Bret Easton, Ellis books and place it make jaggery used to always hang out. So I'm I for some how this skinny white kid from Philadelphia, New Jersey wines up helming. This really impressive Aren be show. So Stevie Wonder would come in perform shock. Akon would perform prince used to come in and perform ver-very. Current? Yeah. I used to have some fun print stories. He's to always. This was a kind of dark lounge. Almost Victoria setting Victorian era setting to the old mirrors and the little sconces on the wall, you know, would almost can. Candle lights. And whenever prince came in, I would have to go and unscrew the lightbulbs. He liked to sit in in the very specific area, but he wanted it dark and then his bouncer would just he would sit alone and then his bouncer would block off. He would. He would sit backwards and a chair and kind of just. Tell everybody they couldn't see him or couldn't him, and he would just sit there taking in the music and then sometimes you would actually jump up and perform. That's so interesting. So he really was there for the music. You know, you get you get the impression a lot of celebrities like they like being there because they wanna be the celebrity, but said it was the opposite. Yeah. And I remember we would say at the time I don't even know that I was that inciteful as you would, you just were. We're like, why would the guy come to a club if he doesn't wanna talk to anyone if he doesn't wanna be seen and doesn't wanna talk to anyone? Well, of course it was the music because we had these unbelievably talented keyboard players and drummers, and a lot of them had gigged with Brian McKnight and Stevie Wonder. So that's how the people were coming. Your drummer has a residency at Nells Tuesday night. You're like, hey, what are you doing on Tuesday? And you'll come by new recognize people, and you just it's funded jump up. So I got to actually play piano for Stevie Wonder onstage a couple times. I remember I was playing overjoyed and Stevie wasn't even playing. He was just standing up singing while I'm. Playing keyboards and it was a, it was an amazing experience. It was called voices at Nells move from there over into the more fashion model scene of clubs because there's more money to be made there. We would call it models and bottles. So this was the advent of bottle service. When I guess a few of us promoters and club owners realized that instead of charging people eighteen dollars at the bar for vodka soda, you could take the same eighteen dollar price point and charge them five hundred dollars for a bottle of Absolut vodka at their table, and they would have to keep going up and getting refills and, oh, by the way, the five hundred dollar bottle of Absolut cost you what? Sixteen dollars. Yeah, sort of amazing to me when you look at like the high end clubs like one oak and things like that, like what you'll pay for a bottle there relative to the wholesale cost. It's there can't be a bigger margin in any business history of civilization, but it but. The value. If you actually figured out how many drinks you could get out of a bottle of stoli, let's say, and then how much you'd have to pay at the bar. It's it's commensurate charge. You twenty bucks for vodka soda at the bar anyway. So thirty drinks and you're six hundred dollar bottle. Wouldn't you rather have it at the comfort of your table? So yeah, the whole thing was just kinda crazy models and bottles. So the way that the scene worked as we would have to figure out how to get beautiful girls inside the nightclub, and then very wealthy guys would pay for the pleasure of sitting around beautiful girls. So you'd have all your finance guys, you know, the Goldman guys with their AmEx black cards and they'd come, they'd autumn at the door. You know, we'd swipe the card for five or ten Gs and then try and they would buy tables, and then we would populate the tables with cool people, often models who would drink for free and we'll party for free. And I, I mean, was there any interest in knowing or matter if. These were professional girls or meaning, professional girls, meaning women that we're going to basically take, you know, money for sex. It wasn't like that. It actually wasn't like that. And there was no official kind of process. It wasn't like that now we would because I feel like today that's sort of pretty normal. I have a lot of friends who are single and they talk about this. They're like wave. You'll get paid where the women get paid. Yeah, we never did. Women are paid to be there and you know, it's just understood that like there's a way to plus up on what you're gonna pay to go home with her. Yeah, that's that was foreign to us. I mean, this is many years ago. No, we we would make friends with the modeling booker's in the heads of the modeling agencies. We would give them a great experience and then they would come out with the girls. So a Booker from a model edges, he might take out twelve of his models. We would make sure they had a great time. Everything was free from the food to the booze, but now you have twelve beautiful girls in a club. So it's like they're bait to get these guys in who are basically like the Shah. Arcs right for their chum for the guys who are sharks, but a lot of these girls would love to date the Goldman guy living in the twelve thousand square foot. So whole oft, you know who who might be gentlemen, let's go with best case scenario. Right, right, right. So you've got the so everybody's potentially winning because this is a matchmaking service basically where you're doing the first layer of screening based on wealth and beauty. Exactly, but that's all we did. So then the rest would just happen. If if you've got a guy who was Jerker was to Hansie, you just wouldn't let him in anymore. So we would be blacklisting the bad actors all the time. And at the end, you wind up with a group of really cool young, rich guys who are fun. The girls love being around them. They're funny, they're spending money. They might be even good looking. I mean, they're they're kind of the life of the party. And the next thing you know you're in Saint BART's with the same people or you're in Milan with the same people. You're in Paris. I like the party would travel around the world. So the way we got paid as nightclub promoters, we would just the beauty of the business, at least for a while. Is that your asset light? So you just take a cut of the total business of the night. So it might be fifteen percent. Let's say, let's say it's twenty percent. So you walk into a nightclub, and what were the best clubs back in? So we're now talking kind of late nineties, right? So I can only speak to my experience. The first night I went out was it club USA, and those famous slide, their earliest clubs I worked at that was the limelight. I worked for Peter Gatien. There was the tunnel. There was the Roxie. There was twyla Lotus was a big club for us. I was there for many years pan. Jia halo. I mean, you know, some of the names people say them and I'm like, oh my gosh, actually work there. So I worked at forty different venues over this almost ten year. Many of those clubs are still around today. None. So what's the half-life of pot New York club, maybe five years now, some of the clubs exist because the liquor licenses, so valuable, but they'll just get re skinned or repurpose. So some of the same. Licenses are there in the same building, but it's now just a new look, newfield new name, and there might have been six of those since I left six change of brands or even ownership. So that's kind of blurry time to be quite honest. Yeah. So we've gone. What we've skipped over is banned in high school. You're still not doing drugs. You're not drinking. You're not the botching by this point as a nightclub promoter have we slipped into some of that for sure. Smoking was first than drinking than lots of sex than gambling than coke started with coq ten marijuana. The next to see special k MD may anything short of heroin the that we could get our hands on his pure as we could. Why did you decide to draw the line in heroin? We'd seen people deny that was an and I'd seen it firsthand. My business partner snorted heroin once by mistake in almost I'd, you know, -mergency room. He was out cold, unconscious on a floor inside the kitchen of nightclub. So I'd just I'd seen really bad heroin trips. Coke. Never seen anyone coke or die from, you know XY. So I pick up all the all the dark habits of what you might imagine come with the territory. Our lifestyle wasn't a picture of health. We'd go to dinner at ten. So the very late dinner at the trendy restaurant, we'd head over to the club around midnight, twelve fifteen to the restaurants, compu- guys as well. Yeah, because we're bringing beautiful people. So it made the restaurants look like a scene. It was the beautiful and they, they would do this for a few tables. I mean, it's the, it's the eye candy. Sometimes we'd bring in guys who would who sponsor the whole dinner depending on the model. And the rest is you never had to buy dinner. I wasn't painted during this period of time. How often were you going home to check on mom and dad for them at her every couple months, every couple months. And I would do a quick forty eight hour trip, and I same as always. I turn up with my clothes. I'd walk into the garage. I would strip down. They. I'd put on the clothes that they left out for me. That was a period of years where it was medical coats, these gowns that they had gotten from a hospital that we're sanitarium walking around, like lab coats, hospital, scrubs in the house. My parents parents concerned they were. I mean, I was living out their worst nightmare. I was the prodigal son that had flipped them in church and all of morality virtue. The bird and said, going to New York City. I'm gonna make it rich and famous, Kate abandoned and work. I'm going to be the biggest nightclub promoter in New York City, and I'm gonna sleep with every hot girl that I can get my hands on. I'm going to do every good drug, get my hands on and I'm gonna live it up. I'm gonna party. I and it was so opposite of the, if you think about the basement of the Christian school with nine people and the uniform, right? This was living. I'm on. I'm out of my own. Own flying to Paris for fashion week, dating girls that are walking in the show's staying at the nicest hotels drinking the best wine going to Paris, nightclubs that that are. I mean, it was just it was felt amazing. Were you happy? I thought I was for a while. Because I was collecting the markers of happiness. So let's take most promoters. You know, one of the first things you need to do is you need to get the top model girlfriend to have to figure out how to do that. So collected that. So kind of check, bark. Then you know, I got the car, the BMW and then it got the Rolex, and then I got a nice loft and rented a grand piano and the great speaker system. So I was kind of, you know, as we would have a little more success, I would buy the things that I thought came with success, and there was always an emptiness in that. I think the more. It just got really old the the banality of having to do the same thing over and over again. And guess what I mean by that is you would change clubs, but there were periods where we would hate emailing and then getting on the phone because the Email was one way to get people to turn up. But if you call them in a much better shot, right. If I actually say, hey, Peter, you got to come tonight. It's going to be amazing. We would still have to call hundreds of people to every week to invite them to the parties. And I remember just hating. So what was it? Did you do is basically seven nights a week. You're trying to get now glow working three nights a week, and then you're out networking, the other three or four. So you're almost you're, you're out most nights a week, but I would only be doing three parties, maybe Tuesday night Thursday night, and then a weekend, a bridge and tunnel kind of Saturday night party, but say, and you've got to this a moment ago before I interrupted you, but dinners at tends. But a time I'm. Going to bed, you're having dinner. Yep. Then what then the club at twelve fifteen until three thirty. And then a maybe home by four m n half the nightshirt after hours high. Let's keep going. Let's go back to somebody's loft the bunch of coke to stay up because you need that to your tired for the morning and cokes not good for sleeping is my recollection correct. Not from personal use. Actually. I've never used coke, but just from the pharmacology of it, I reckon it probably isn't too good for sleep. That's right. So then, but if you start doing cocaine or if you were doing it all night, you're amped up so high that at some point you you have to come down, so then you might take Ambien again, so it's not exactly hot, actually good for sleep, believe it or not, despite the fact that the FDA seems to think so. Yeah. And you might be trying to go to sleep on a hard raging night that included after hours or a party at somebody's loft, you're, you're. Stumbling home in you really are stumbling home because you've been drinking all night and it might be vodka red bull. If you're trying to stay up, might be coke. It might be you might be an ecstasy, which would have a, you know, maybe three to five hour run, maybe even longer, and you know it's ten or eleven and year walking home in broad daylight. You've been up since dinner at ten was was your starting point, and you're looking at all these healthy people just going about their business in see runners at seven in the morning feels disgusting. Actually, it feels, you know, you're not a doctor or surgeon on a midnight shift doing noble work. You know you've just been trashing your body in the bodies of all those around you. So it really started to take its toll on me emotionally on me. Physically. I write about this actually in the first chapter in the book I go numb half my body. I lose feeling in it, inexplicably and I start seeing neurologist and getting him arise and tons of diagnostics, and they can't. Anything actually wrong with me and sort of interesting. The irony of this after all your mother's gone through in my business partner says, will wanna to lay off the three packs of cigarettes. I mean, I was I was such a fiend when it came to smoking smoked Marlboro reds to is the baseline. But if it was a long night at smoked sixty cigarettes in a day, it's amazing. I'm even here and I start trying to knock back all this stuff and and then now this leads into really the the piffle and the change. So the first thing that happens is I have a physical full on numbness that is not diagnosed, and I remember running my left hand under boiling hot water. I remember exactly where I was in my loft and I couldn't feel it. I was terrifying. Yeah, I thought something was very, very wrong with me. This then leads to a internal to internal conversation about my mortality and my belief system and the life that I'm living. So I imagine that I have a brain tumor and. And you know where some some disease because why else would have my have my body, the Paris, these you was it's never good. You know, if you go online and start looking at. Half or full body pairs. These are like the bad stuff. So interesting. You know now with perspective, perhaps this was more. I don't know spirituals, the right word, but I think there was more going on than just the physicality of maybe the drugs had caught up with me. I don't know the smoking the drinking round this time. Couple months later, I go to pointed a less to for New Year's Eve, and we would always spend about two weeks every New Year's fleeing, New York City. We hated New York around New Year's is just the whole, like the tourists time square the tourists. Everything was wrong. I mean, anybody that was fun or interesting, got the heck out of town. They went to the Caribbean, they went to, you know, they go anywhere warm. So warm for us was typically in Brazil. We'd go to place called boozy owes. We'd go to Argentina this year. We went to Uruguay to let Lee rented this amazing house. And I remember the house came with servants who had cook in follow after us picking up our towels. And my girlfriend came down who I was sure was the most. Girl on the compound. She was on the cover of fashion magazines in Europe at the time, you know six one in Danish just beautiful, and I just remember we said, all right, let's go to the fireworks store. Let's spend a thousand dollars on fireworks and we blew 'em up next to the pool. And let's by all the magnets of Dom Perignon that we can and then there's just champagne flowing. Then there was a party that wouldn't end and it started on two thousand three, two, two, this is yeah, two thousand and four, January two thousand and four. So it's the turn between three and four. We have a New Year's Eve party says to be the last eight thousand three. And you know, there's a DJ that's come in and it's gonna be on our compound. So we rented the sound system people from the town people from other houses that we knew we're gonna party on our pool and you know, I remember getting lit at night and taking actually went to sleep for a few hours woke up pop the next see pill, nine or ten in the morning, and sometime in the afternoon, I really wanted the party stop. I wonder all these people to leave. It's not a good luck when a party goes on for a day. That's pretty ragged including myself and it just, I started having these realizations. This is not how life was to be lived. This actually wasn't how beautiful compound like this was supposed to be enjoyed me. We had wreck to the serenity of the place. Yeah, the the furniture was strewn all over, you know, glass bottles broken by the side of the pool. I mean, this was just kind of. Gross and I just started doing when everybody eventually did leave. I started doing some soul searching. I realized that I certainly wasn't in love with my girlfriend and she was in love with me. This was almost a relationship of convenience. You know, my, I started reading a deep theological book called the pursuit of God that my father had given me at Christmas and my parents for ten years had been trying to get me back in church. Get me back on the right track preaching at me, sending me different translations the by women, this all just falling on deaf ears. But there was something about this moment, the pair, Steve, the just really caused me to take stock of my life both spiritually and morally, and just begin to kind of say, where am I and what have I done in a way? And I realized that there would never be enough as I looked around the. Shooting thing was almost everybody at the compound was richer. They were older. They add the plane. They, you know, had the better car. They had more money and they, they weren't that happy, either Peter. I mean, this was. There was so much broken that was so much wreckage. I mean, many of our top bottle buyers guys, who would spend ten or fifteen thousand dollars paying for the booze. You know, they'd run off on their wife. Sometimes their kids didn't talk to them because they were eight. They were dating models younger than their kids, and there was a lot of broken. It's so this week for me. I remember just having a change of heart's saying, I'm not on the right path and I wanna find my way back to the the spirituality, the virtue of my heritage. You know, the moral foundation of of the way that I grew up. This isn't working anymore. This sucks. This feeling sucks. I feel dirty. I feel degenerate. I feel like a hedonist and something needs to change. Did you think of that in sort of a moral way, or did you think of that more in just in absolute way? I don't even know if that's the right way to describe it, but 'cause. I think you could objectively say all those things without applying a moral judgment to, right. Yeah. I mean, I think it was through a spiritual lens. I'd I was trying to find my way back to to God or what I believed that meant for me and that was that was virtue that was purely that was, blessed are the peacemakers. Blessed are those who look after the poor and who give themselves in the service of others being a loving your neighbor. I mean, I wasn't doing any of this stuff so that was that was the the sacred texts that I've been brought up with. And I think I started, which is really the way a lot of, you know, a lot of religion has lost that, right? A lot of religion has we don't wanna go down that rabbit hole because we could spend another four hours on that. But you know the virtues you mention are sort of the virtues that I think people would uniformly agree or are wonderful with or without religion. Yeah, yeah. And you know, we were talking about this. I mean, I guess as a twenty eight year old adults at the end. Of myself. I came to see Jesus very differently actually as someone who was challenging the establishment who was fighting against the religiosity and the oppression of the leaders of the, you know, the church in quotes, I guess, at the time and preaching very different message of purity of service to the poor of absolute love. I mean, I remember he called basically all the church leaders, the worst names that you could ever call anybody at that time. So I just I rediscover kind of my faith or softly. This is still so. So you get back to New York in January still partying the clubs? Yeah. So yes. So you come back to New York, you're back today job. You're really have a heart change. So I start trying to go to church again, and I start trying to do less of it all. So I quit coke for a while, for example. And I'm trying to cut down to one pack a day. And then there's times where I just, okay, I'm going to quit smoking and go into the Nicorette and or the patch. And so there's a, my hot. Art has really changed. The intention has changed. I know that I'm going to have to break up with my girlfriend have the heart. There's who were you able to talk with about this? This is internal struggle. No one. You're just about to say, you don't sound like you have real friends. You have a lot of acquaintances, but they're not. They're not the heart of your soul right in the way that a great friend would be, and it wasn't gonna get my parents, the satisfaction of letting them know that I might be turning around change of heart or God forbid that I read dad's book on the allergy that he sent me. You know, I mean, that would just be too much ego at the time. So this is a really solitary experience. I'm going, you know, a ten o'clock on a Sunday morning and sitting at the very back pew of a church on my own, not telling anyone that I went to church. I'm wrestling with all these demons myself. What's interesting is coming back from that trip. Even your girlfriend doesn't realize what you're going through. We'd really shall relationship. We didn't talk about things. We didn't talk about hopes and dreams or or suffering. So around this time, I remember it was interesting coming back couple months later, the incidence of numbness to stop this. Not as quickly as they started, and that was great. I didn't have anything to directly correlate them to. I mean, I'd I'd ratcheted back all the partying, but I was still drinking and still smoking just less of everything. So I remember throughout this whole period of time, you know, clearly I was praying so I was like, God, I need to get out of nightlife. This sucks. You know, it's it's not. It's not for me anymore. And I remember just hating the remember feeling like I couldn't might my day job kept me in the way of the life that I wanted to build for myself. So almost be like, if you wanted to stop gambling, you probably need to stop working at casino. You probably can't be a blackjack dealer if you're also a degenerate gambler even though you could do your job right, and you're around gambling all day. And maybe you don't go to the sports book that night, but it's just like the environment was was still so unhealthy. If you're struggling with that. So that's how it felt for me. And I remember there was just like this cry for help, and the only person was got like, God get me out of this. Show me what I'm supposed to do. Show me home supposed to to live differently. This is seen I read about in length of the book, but something happened one night at a club and involved a gun involved, a bouncer and threat. And I had this really clear opportunity to take a couple of weeks off and I remember renting a cobalt blue Ford Mustang telling my business partner, look, I'm out of here for a couple of weeks. You handle the clubs and I remember writing north like that's where I was gonna like where you going north. I mean, maybe I wound up in Canada in Montreal or Toronto. I grab on that trip pack. My ipod, I bring a bottle of Dewars and every bible and in some ways, you know, there's just kind of wrestling with the faith and virtue piece, but still drinking and smoking. And I start driving. North, I wind up in Vermont, New Hampshire eventually wind up on main having this conversation with myself. Again, this just me and I'm saying, what would it look like? Never go back. What might be opposite of my life look like? What's the clean break look like? Like, what could I do? And it almost like hit me, the opposite of your life would be to walk away from all of these vices and go serve others. Instead of yourself, go serve the poor, which is something that I never even never even conceived before. I hadn't given a single gift to a charity. I wasn't a giver. I wasn't throwing parties for charities. Something compels me from an internet cafe on Greenville, Greenville, Maine, on moosehead lake. It was a dialup internet cafe. Remember their bunch of gray Dell computers there, and I start filling out applications devante here at all the. -tarian organizations I'd heard of and I just, you know, they're ten page application, and I'm willing to consider going anywhere doing anything to completely change my life. So it's unisex. It's the peace corps World Vision. It's anybody had heard of, and I go from there back my parents to tell them that I'm going to do year of humanitarian service and there's a, there's a kind of biblical concept that I've been brought up with a type where my parents had always give ten percent of their money to the church to charity growing up. And for me, I saw this almost as time type like I spent ten years living for myself. What does it look like to give one back and completely give it to others? So to donate ten percent back. So I go to my parents and I tell them this, and then there's this place in one of my first club partners was a British guy that had a very popular band in the eighties. He took all the money that he made. They were called trans vision vamp. Any bought this beautiful may some foresty a house in the peony mountains of France in a little village, maybe sixty people. And I had been there over the club years. Maybe fifteen times I'd taken girlfriends there. It was just like my happy place, and I knew where the key was. I wouldn't even need him to be there. I knew how to open up the house and lock the house and deal with all the water and the electric city and all that stuff. So I asked him around this time, hey, can I just go hang out in France while I'm waiting for these applications to be processed and figuring out my next move? And he says, of course, you know, you know where the key is, which was in this little rusty saucepan in and out building. So I go to town. It's called Leopardo peeler on. It's it's near jink LA and I'm alone again and the rejection letters are coming in. So maybe this isn't a surprise, but nobody will take me actually, it is a price to me. I mean, I, I can't imagine the other that many. People that are lining up to offer a year of their life free of service. I think the resume scared him Peter. I mean, what I done for less ten years, I'd gotten people drunk. So basically they're worried that one. This is not real into you're gonna show up in two weeks leave and you're gonna take spot from somebody who could have stuck it out. Sure. Like who wants a party boy on their mission. I wasn't a serious person. Serious people don't promote nightclubs for ten years. Do they right? I mean, if you're if you're the person reviewing the application at h. q., so nobody has a spot for me or anything good to do, and you know, never forget. It actually didn't have. I didn't write about this in the book, but on never forget this one moment where there's no cell phone reception in this village, and I was riding my bike, maybe ten miles down the mountain from where the this little house was. And I'm going through the main town and my, my no Kia phone rings, which dates this and. I pick it up the brick. I was like the little one. The, you know, the junior brick junior break, little LCD screen on the top square. I love that phone. They were kinda contoured, right? Yeah, indestructible. I mean the Quartey. Yeah, just great folks. So I specifically remember this thing was in my pocket and I almost fell off my bike because I know he'd called me and, oh my gosh, my phone is ringing and it was one of the organizations called mercy ships, and they said, hey, we've got your application here and I had applied to be their photo journalist, and this is kind of wonderful how this does come full circle because I dust off for this one. I desktop my NYU degree and like I've a communications degree from New York University and let me come on your ship. I will write stories about the amazing work that you're doing. It was a hospital ship and I'll take really good pictures. So I put up pictures on my blog of like my girlfriend's over the years and beautiful buildings in Prague like my labrador retriever and they're like decent photos. My travel. Around the world. So they call me on the phone. I'm in this village and they say, well, we're little worried. You might not be a culture fit for us, but we've agreed to beat you. And I said, where are you guys? And they said, well, the ship is in Germany. Like I'm in France. I'll see you tomorrow. The next day. Shit was in Bremmer heaven quite a wide to me two days to get there on the train. But I said, I'm, this is amazing. So I take the train all the way up. And I remember walking aboard this five hundred twenty two foot hospital ship this huge hulking white ocean liner that had been converted gutted effectively and turn into a state of the art hospital. And I have a meeting with what would be my future bosses and I convince them that I'm in this for all the wrong reasons. I believe I'm talented, I believe I can do this job. I am not gonna throw wild raves and corrupt. The rest of the humanitarian staff like I'm in this. I've had the life change. I've always been pretty good at getting. People like me. That's a, that's a skill in nightlife you if you're building list, I was a good host. I was. I was always trying to make people feel comfortable inside the club. And who do you wanna meet Peter? No problem. Come with me. You know, he is everything. Okay to drink. Okay. I would know people's names I was so I was turning on all the charm. Basically what I'm saying. So I'm up in Bremmer heaven on the ship saying, I will be your best photojournalists that you've ever had owned by the way guys. I also come with a built in list a fifteen thousand emails. I have a list of fifteen thousand people have been getting drunk, thirteen years, fifteen thousand wealthy. Some of them were influential. I mean, Mick Jagger was on the list resident of Chanel writer or what people in fashion and publishing entertainment. So they say, okay, they say, we'll take you. And I said, when's the mission start in three weeks? You report for duty. So I go back. I member going to the decathlon and France and buying flashlights, whatever. I thought I would need for Africa 'cause we were sailing into country Benin. And then shortly we'd be going to Lybia which was a country I never heard of. Actually I'd never heard of either these countries if I'm honest, but I'd learned that Liberia had just finished a brutal civil war that had lasted fourteen years and with led by the evil evil dictator warlord Charles Taylor, who had used children for a decade and a half to slaughter extraordinary amount of people. So I report for duty actually on the island of tenor reef so the ship was going from Germany. To pick up people in tenor Rafe an island off the coast of Africa, and then we would sail into west Africa. So I joined the ship couple of weeks later, ten reef I get there. I I know that the ship is sailing in the next morning. I'm gonna walk up the gangway. I'm gonna, surrender my passport, and I'm going to officially join this mission. I mean, I'm gonna have a boss effectively lose my independence because I've been self employed for this whole time. I guess outside of the, you know, the music store, ten years previous and you know, I was thinking about the ship and this idea of sailing. I guess it was five days to Africa sailing away to a new continent that I'd never been on sailing away into a new life. And I realized that the best way to do that would be to go all in and just trying to quit everything in one go to figure out how to quit gambling and imagine you didn't have a choice. You weren't gonna be able to gamble, drink drink, you know, I probably wasn't gonna get, you know. Elicit drugs. Well, I mean, I could always gamble online which used to do is to gamble on women's soccer games in Czecholsovakia that I couldn't even see televised because I needed the rush of winning or losing. So I have his moments I was I was staying at the Sheraton in Santa Cruz the town of ten reef in the night before, and I set in my hotel room alone and drank seven or eight beers. Amstel lights smoked well over two packs of Marlboro reds, and I'm like, this is it. I'm just going to go out with the Bank and I woke up the next day with a brutal hangover, and I walked up the gangway of the ship, and it's funny and doing some of the interviews for the book. People actually remember me reeking of alcohol. Till like this guy just come from a bar at seven thirty AM. And I actually didn't have the awareness to that of finey. Sure. They were saying, did we make a mistake. And, and that was it like there was something about the gangway was gonna come up and I was going to leave all of this stuff on land and sail away away from and and it was a clean break. So from that moment, this is now fourteen years ago. They've never had another cigarette. I've never touched coke or extra any of that stuff. I've never gambled again. I haven't looked in a pornographic image in fifteen years. I walked so far away from my former life. I drink a little bit like craft as in red wine, but was the withdrawal like from the nicotine in particular. So hard so hard and I'd had failed attempts at smoking was I think a certain grace of being around medical professionals which probably made it feel like the new norm was not smoking. The norm was being healthy and helping people. I used a bunch of the gun at the time, and I think I used the patch and but I just did it. And there were by the way they're worthy engineers would smoke. Yeah. Yeah, I was gonna. Jack guessing there were cigarettes your show. Sure. There was still a ship subculture of the people that worked in the engine room and they'd all be having a cigarette in the decker. There were authorized smoking places for them, but that was it for me. And that allowed me to it really felt like a do over in felt like twenty eight years. I could close that book and I was starting on page one of a of a new blank book, and I got to really create a completely new life in a new story for myself as a humanitarian of all things. So what was that? What was that you're like? I mean, in terms of, did you develop relationships or friendships that were you could start to share the stuff that had been previously just completely an internal monologue? Yeah, it was an amazing place Peter. Someone asked me recently during an interview, they said, look so many people struggle with these addictions and they can't get out of it. What do you think it was that allows you to walk so cleanly? I think the environment had a lot to do. With it. I went from an environment where all that was the norm to an environment like Christian doctors, you know, who were helping people get well, the best surgeons nurses in the world that had given up their vacation time to use their skills in the service of others. So that really helps. And I love the new norm, like I am braced the norm, the norm was healthy. It was up early. It was saving people's lives. I mean, it was in the most profound and visually evident way possible. So we max, we specialized in max slow facial surgery. So these doctors would look for people with tumors with cleft lips with cleft palates. We did a lot of cataracts and people who are completely blind and we could remove the cataracts and put it, oh, are on the actual shits. There were there were three or four operating theatres. I remember when we sailed into Liberia, it was the only the only CT scan in four. Neighboring countries only working c. t. scanner organization sale. You had these an even better. The quality of the medical staff was so extrordinary because you'd have these doctors flying in from London or Berlin or New York or Los Angeles who would do. I don't know three weeks often three months, and they would just say, I can do this. I could go to the Maldives instead the four seasons or I could fly to Liberia, and I could operate on forty six cleft patients and get forty six people their lives back. So, and my job amazing thing is that I have the best job on a ship of three hundred fifty volunteers. I would say my job is better than the chief medical officer or the surgeons because I get to document all of the lifesaving wonder that is happening. It is my job to photograph every single person that goes through the operating theatre and document that transformation. So the way that we would find patients in. In some ways, not unlike how some club promoters would feel clubs. We fly the country. We made thousands of flyers. The flyers had the pictures of the facial tumors, the cleft lips. The lot of the the burn reconstructions that we were doing in seeing after the war stuff like flesh-eating disease, canker Morris, no Noma. These really horrible diseases which I later learned. Some of them were caused by water and it was like a casting call. We'd say, if you look like one of the people in these pictures, or if you know someone with these afflictions turn up on this day and are doctors, we'll see we'll triage you. So the profound moment for me was my this happens quickly. So we sail in to port at an in patient screening the triage days three days later. So everybody's prepping I learned that the government has given us a football stadium, the soccer arena in the center of the city, and it was called Liz all day desert. And I know also that we have fifteen hundred surge. Gery slots to fill. So in a best case scenario, we're going to hand out fifteen hundred. Hey, come on this day at this time and we'll run fifteen hundred people through our surgery hospital. Over four months and then we'll pick up. We'll sell to Liberia. We'll spend eight months in Liberia. So actually we'll spend a year Thurday there. I remember very vividly. It was five in the morning. I couldn't sleep the night before. I was so excited to see who's gonna turn up. I mean as possible that there's fifteen hundred people in this country with these radical crazy afflictions and conditions and grabbed my two Nikon cameras. My wide angle lens, my portrait Lund's all my batteries and put on hospital scrubs. And I jump in this convoy of landrovers maybe twenty landrovers all heading towards the stadium. And as we turn the corner to actually see the stadium, I see the parking lot and there's five thousand people waiting to get in in the early morning. Five thousand people have gathered mass and you know, it just hits me, look, we're gonna turn thousands of people away. You know, the need is so much greater than. Than our response. We don't have enough doctors. We don't have enough money. Are there local doctors there that could be trained they are, and that's that's something that the organization is done, but there aren't the medical facilities of the Quant is give you an example in Liberia. Liberia has one doctor for every fifty thousand of its citizens at the time. A believe. Our number here is one for three hundred. So for every three hundred Americans, there's there's a doctor for every fifty thousand Liberian. There were two surgeons that we'd heard of in a country of few million people, but no, it operate to the surgeon, you know, even if you were surgeon like you'd have to operate out in the Bush. There was no working medical facility or operating theater, so we had the best hospital going, you know, on our ship. So just that was a really, really hard moment for me throughout that first triage day, I felt like I wept forty percent of the day because the stuff that I saw, I wasn't prepared for kids choking to death on four pound benign fleshy tumors people with their faces completely rotting from disease people who had been burned so badly by rebel soldiers. Often had poured oil over their bodies or the bodies of their children. It was. I was in no way prepared to see it, like to smell rotting flesh and have to take a photo of someone six inches from their face. It felt like I was violating them. But these were the medical photos with before is that hopefully would have amazing after story. So my first friend who I write about in the book was a little boy name Alford, and he was joking death on his face with an Amelia blast. Oma big fleshy pink tumor that just grown and grown and grown and grown over four years. And his mom had actually taken him to witch doctors and they had cut him with knives and with sharp stones. They put pastes and concoctions on the tumor. They had chanted to, you know, spirits and keeps growing. That's what tumors do. How did you guys triage was the if you only had fifteen hundred slots for five thousand people was it based on medical need. Nurses were just rolling through the line. I will say some people came with conditions that we couldn't treat. Some people came to see a doctor. They heard the doctors were coming. Some people came with broken feet. Some people came with terrible cancer that had metastasized all throughout their body and we were, we weren't able to help. There was a member. There were some boys. The came with them briquettes lymphoma. We didn't have a good way to treat. You can't operate their medical treatment. Yeah, we weren't in the business of chemotherapy. We were in the business of operating on on the benign stuff. So poor Alford, you know is is just as terrified little boy, and I just determined that he's going to be my first friend and I'm going to see his all the way through and he's going to be the first story that I share with fifteen thousand people from my former life of what we're really doing here. So thankfully, for me, he was, I think it was first in line that day and he gets a surgery date three days later. So we get to work triage two days. And then the next day surgery starts and people start turning up and the operating theatre. Are just scheduled out, and then the recovery ward had forty two beds. This is is proper hospital. So I'm there as Alfred walks up on the ship was father. Basan brings him and I'm documenting his surgery. So I'm in the operating theatre all the time. I just love. I love the blood. I loved like just a visceral change. You know, seeing someone seeing surgeon open up someone's face and then fix it and then put it back together. So it was the most fascinating thing. So I probably documented fifty surgeries in scrubs with my cameras right there. They would. They would allow me to get sterile and then just be there documenting. So Alfred was my first and they take this giant tumor and they cut it out and they put in a titanium plate because his jaw had been completely moved blown out really by the tumor and couple of weeks later, I got to take him home to his village, and I'm following behind him with my camera, and he's in his best clothes, and I'm watching the village. Surround this little boy that they thought was cursed that they thought was written off for for dead, and they're looking at him in their touching his face. And you know, he's, he's like a celebrity in the village, and that was my first kind of all the way through a while we're going to be able to do that fifteen hundred times. We're gonna. We're gonna so transformed people's lives. When you read a book after two years, you see some of these little parallels, you know, as radical as my life change was, you know, from the dirty degenerate drug addict to now this like humanitarian photographer trying to tell stories of these incredible doctors and patients we were, I remember women soon after named Marguerite, and she had gone blind in her twenties. So she she could see her whole life and then exposure to the Equatorial sun with no UV. She had these huge cataracts you, you could see them. They were shopping. Oh. Positi over there is and so she gone completely blinds. Couldn't see your family consumer kids. So I remember being in the operating theatre as as this one of the surgeons getting Glenn price makes a little slit from what I remember. He likes to sticks tweezers in any pulls out the cataract and then he pops in the new lens. That thing took like fifteen minutes. Right? I remember thinking I could totally do that. Like you could train me to be a cataract surgeon right now. I mean, it just seems simple. You know, scalpels make the slit, pop it out Papa John and put a bandage on and did this always observed now that are like there's way more than that, but it felt so simple as a documentary -tarian. Did this sort of rekindle that thing that you had when you were thirteen and you wanted to go to Johns Hopkins and you wanted to become a doctor? Did you now find yourself saying, wait a minute? I'm definitely I don't want to go back to being a club promoter. I wanna be a doctor. Well, I almost got to be a doctor. I was living vicariously through all the doctors all the time. You know, in a way. I felt like I was a part of all these patients stories, and the doctors would come and go. And I was the constant. This one woman made such an impression on me because I think it was actually a a mime in two days later, we were going to remove the bandages and there's a little bit of healing that took place. So I just I saw the moment that I wanted to capture because I'd I'd met her blind interviewed her. I'd seen the surgery documented that, so I go down there when they start taking off the bandages. And I'm just napping stills like, click click, and she starts screaming just the flash. She tackles me. Dancing screaming, you know, glory, glory, like tackles or sister that she can now see, and it was just this you fork moment. I mean, there's you. You going from being blind to being able to see, it's hard to imagine Har imagine what that would be like like I can still can put myself in that tiny little room where it all happens. And I think Peter, I wanted to share these stories with people in the same way that you know there was a period of time where I wanted to share a story that if you got past my velvet rope and spent thousands of dollars on booze and you seeing with the beautiful people or maybe went home with the right, beautiful people in your life had meaning. This was real meeting. I mean, this was life transformation. This was real sacrifice and generosity by these doctors by the donors that were paying for these surgeries. And I think I wanted to, I just wanted to share story. So I start blasting my club list with Alfred story with Marguerite story with the picture of the five, three thousand people that we turned away when we close the doors of the stadium and the triage was finished, and these people who are getting these emails, they don't. You know what's happened. The last thing they remember as Scott was our hookup, and then Scott kinda vanished because it's I, I don't imagine you sent a retirement actually. Did I? I did send a retirement letter. I went back and saw it recently. It was, you know, it was a little high and mighty, like I'm leaving nightclubs behind to go explore a humanitarian journey. You know. Definitely. Some I rolling now back on the, but I did announce what I was doing. And I said, you know, you are all going to come along for the ride. I mean, I teased that you're gonna come on the journey with me and what I see, you're gonna see. So what they started seeing was giant fleshy tumors and some leprosy and just some crazy stuff. And of course, there's a few unsubscribe. Some people said, take me on his list. I enjoyed the property you through once, but I'm not down with the tumor party donate to see someone's face eaten by leprosy. But the response that I got from most people was this is amazing. I didn't know that this ship existed. I didn't know that there were doctors who cared so much that they would. They would even do this. How do I get on the ship? How do I give money? How much of the surgery cost about four dollars? How do I send him four dollars say do that. So I remember this one woman writes me and she says, it's the middle of the day sitting here at Chanel headquarters. I'm in a brightly lit office in tears are streaming down my face, can't believe what I've just seen what I've read. I need to do something. I need to be a part of this. And so I have this immediate feedback loop that my stories are moving people. The photos, the images are moving people. I think what I learned there that it wasn't just the writing. It was actually images. I came across a quote this week that I love so much that I have never had never heard of before until this week, but it's from Carl young and it says, transformation can only take place in the. The presence of images, and I think there was something so arresting or disrupting about these photos, perhaps the extremity of a of a huge tumor and than the tumors gone of cataracts like saucers you can see and then gone. That really worked along with the stories that I was reading. If I just said, hey, alford's is fourteen year old boy, and he spins getting on his face with a big pink fleshy tumor. There's one way to do it. But when you see it when people saw it, it really it, it moved them. So I do this for a year and I'm just telling story after story. My list actually starts to grow a little bit. The other thing I forgot to mention is that I had to pay five hundred dollars every month to volunteer. So this was you talk about the if the dream, the prayer was to create the opposite of my life. I actually wound up in the poorest country in the world paying money to volunteer, and this was how mercyships helped support the organization. They got all the crew to raise. Support for room and board and for food, and that was a big income stream for them. So I'm basically going broke on the ship, not only in my not earning an income, it costs me money to be there and you're learning back to a point we had earlier. You're learning about what are really efficient nonprofit can do sort of pieces both on the negative. Sure, sure. I'm getting an inside look at a at an profit and for sure. The medical work was amazing and transformative, but I also got to look at a little bureaucracy. Yeah. How a big charity. Might work in some of the blockers. And one of the one of the amazing things for me was that my boss on the ship, he did not enemy. He didn't know how to handle this New York City. Crazy guns blazing eighty hour a week worker, so he just gave me an incredible amount of rope. I mean, I took over a photo office and I made that my own and I was, I was really like this lone ranger. He would initially assign me to take the photos and then someone else to write the story. I'm like, no, I'm doing it all myself. I have to be a one stop shop. And you know, I think, gosh, that drove. I think he knew that I needed some element of autonomy to feel like I could own the whole experience and I worked around the clock. I mean, there was nothing else. There was no dating. There was, no, it was just all work. When did the paying start to go away? I'm sure at some point initially, when you got on that ship you, you're still missing the. The sex, the girlfriend, the booze, the drugs, the cigarettes. I mean, was there a day when you sort of woke up and realized like actually, I'm, I'm happier now than I was back then it felt almost instant. Wow. Because I was so busy in a different direction. Every single intention, every single task. Every everything I was reading, it was a the whole community. Everything changed. You know, it's like I went from being on the death star to, I don't know being around the people of light. Well, it's a very good point you brought up earlier. I used to have a slightly different way of explaining that to patients when I was at Hopkins. We would see a lot of folks in the ER who were using IV drugs. So heroin was pretty rampant in in Baltimore. At the time it might still be actually, and whenever we'd get a patient in there, usually it was to debris to, you know, an abscess or something like that. You sort of had to explain to them. Look, you don't get an infinite number of shots on goal here. This is going to kill you. Really soon you're going to get into card is you're gonna get an infection that's not gonna be. It's gonna kill you before we get to it. You can't just go back to where you came from, like to kick a heroin habit, you need a new life union, new group of friends. You need a new place to live, and so it's a year later, come back to New York. So I do come back to New York, and that was probably the hardest part because then all the temptations are there exactly. The girlfriend was still around and hadn't moved on yet. The party was still there. I would say, look, I felt during is when I come back, I put on an exhibition of my photos in order to raise money for mercy ships, and I can your game fully unemployed at this point. I'm in the crashing with my old club partner and kindness of strangers. Really this point. 'cause nightclub promoters, Kate. I can only speak for myself. I was not good at saving money. I've spent tastic spending a little more than I made every single year. So I came back broke had been giving all my money to mercy ships. The people that I met along the way Minnie's patients at wind up supporting afterwards. I mean, Alford, I'm actually still supporting fifteen years later because helped him become a plumber, and it's been a joy to be able to do, but I was broke. So I come back and I said, well, what can I do that would be useful? I could put on. I could bring people into the story in a space. Got a dowry donated in Chelsea. It was a milky white gallery, so it felt like a hospital and I hung up these sheets and created different rooms almost like operating theatres or the word. And then I put one hundred one hundred eight images together, creating lightboxes and TV installations of patients Morphing back and forth. And at the end of the gallery show, I asked people to donate the cost of one surgery if they could three hundred eighty bucks or whatever they could. So my goal was to raise his. Money for mercy ships as possible, and then go back and follow the money. So I actually come back to New York on a mission which is great. Right mission is continuing. Its just the venue has changed. The context is changed, and I remember my friends thought that I wasn't as much fun. You know, I'm not doing coke with them. I'm not staying out late, but I still was in the clubs trying to raise money and trying to get people to donate catering for the exhibition or donate printing. I'm still working the network and I guess I just felt like, look, they're gonna be all these opportunities for me to slip back into my former life, especially now, and there would be grace for that. But what if I didn't? In some ways, the analogy of so I love personally love this parable, the product son from the New Testament where the sun basically flips everybody off takes his inheritance goes very, very far away and winds up gambling drinking sleeping with. Prostitutes,