15 Episode results for "Gerry Davis"

Episode 19-33 Talking to Robots  Future and Imagined

BioTech Nation Radio Podcast

59:00 min | 1 year ago

Episode 19-33 Talking to Robots Future and Imagined

"Coming up on tech nation our former correspondent. David ewing duncan. He has a new book out and he returns to tell us about talking to robots tales from our human robot future then tech nation health chief correspondent dr daniel craft tells us about how robots and artificial intelligence are replacing surgeons not if but how and tech nation regular contributor. Gerry davis expands on those massive thefts of online credentials accounts and passwords their collections for sale. Out there on the dark web. Yes he explained that to all this coming up on this week's tech nation. Let's take five with more gun. This is five minutes. Assure laugh joke. Today is to follow the reveal of any confusing problem with the line. There's an app for that. In truth much of what used to be confusing problems for us have been relieved. If not outright solved by a selection of convenient an ever-present apps icon wise. They're all pretty much the same and take up the same real estate on your screen. but screen. real estate doesn't begin to tell how complex technology emerges fingers tap the app but it's all the same to the user getting from point a. point b. parking your car at a parking meter sending and receiving money checking all manner of status texting quickly. Everyone anyone and the list goes on. Get a ride at it and send a photo. You just took find the closest anything your heart desires or your stomach demands and of course track the delivery of your online purchase which you might have made say a half hour ago on your watch but think about how much technology is really behind all this and all the innovation that had to take place and be in place to make it work. How many times. We use apps that perform highly technical tasks and use major systems like gps. Think about when you're out on the open road and it's telling you to drive another six miles before you need to exit its tracking your progress all the way along and comes up with warnings as you approach. It's good to remember that you're personally engaging the services of at least three satellites in low earth orbit just saying i mean you have to agree. That's impressive especially when we all demand that we get it all for free still. That doesn't mean we. The users are any more technical than we were before. The technology is in the app. It's in the device and all the connected and present technologies and information behind it. It increases our tech user skills for sure but it doesn't increase our technical skills the heavy lifting as been done and this is an important distinction in our brave new world not to confuse the ability to seriously use a technology with the ability to build it and maintain it and move it forward just as when new products and services spread like wildfire. It doesn't mean any of us got more technical but technology in the hands of tech users can also drive innovation. You don't have to be an engineer or a programmer. To think up a new app you think the capabilities of an app then. The rest is implementation. So there's the second split. The inventors of an app don't necessarily need to be the ones that build it. Think about it. Angie didn't build angie's list the basic question is how technical are we as a group the human population and there's actually a three way split who can use it who can design it. Who can build it. Some of us fall in all three groups yet. It seems to me. Were all pretty smart. Only a few isolated voices claim all this technology makes us dumber like the few who argued that calculators would stop everyone from being able to do laugh. Suggesting kids wouldn't be able to make change but who needs change when your money is in the cloud. Yes it's an interesting landscape today and everyone is a part of it. I'm moir regard. This is five minutes. Five minutes is produced at the studios of fm san francisco. Five minutes is a production of tech nation media. I'm paul land core from san francisco. I'm more gun. And this is tech nation today on tech nation. I speak with david. Ewing duncan you know him well as a regular biotech contributor for tech nation. He's back today with a new book. Talking to robots tales from our human robot future then tech nation health chief correspondent dr daniel craft tells us about how surgical robots and artificial intelligence are here today. And they'll be more in the future and regular contributor. Gerry davis talks about those thefts of online credentials. Massive files filled with account names and passwords. And you can buy them if you'd like on the dark web And now david ewing. Duncan well david welcome back to tech nation is great to be back your old home. I know i miss you. And i'm glad you came here because with you new book after all. I am robotics engineer. There you go. that's why i. I i there you go. But it's that boring all industrial robots which you know they get me going at. This is really hot. And that's that's really exciting. Part more other arms moving back and forth and you just you get me right. I really like it. But on the other hand now we have many different robots and we have bought we have a whole world of bots and robots. What are we talking about their well. It's funny because i early in the book define robots and to make it easy Is basically anything. That's smart at all. I call a robot. I think that's the easiest. So it's ai systems It's probably not quite like a smart toaster but it might be the future point. You touched a starts talking to you. Say alexia please play music and then the toaster starts atlanta right. Ramon what we're going to plug into wet here But i don't know. I mean there's there's these very esoteric discussions about The definitions of all even artificial intelligence. Which i find to be a strange term. Because you know it's neither artificial intelligence at this point. We're not really even trying to do that but anyway. That's that's the term use. So i just call it all. Robots robots robots and bought. And all of us no matter how old we are there was something in your childhood where your parents world something into the house for the first time It could be a television set. Your family's first television. It could have been the first smartphone. It could have been a vcr. It could have been you know just about anything. You're suggesting that maybe you'll remember. This was my first encounter with a box. Well yes i mean. You know the encounters with technology. Go back eons. really. I mean you know. We're we're the tool builders sort species does and we've we've always built these things and kind of amazed ourselves and you know maybe even spear tips way back in the stone age and know all these different ways that we can make life more convenient Or accomplish certain ends and it's totally crazy now. I mean obviously were. We got technologies coming in not wavelengths that huge waves almost sue nominees almost constantly now and was a slower pace You know more time to adapt in the past But yeah i mean you know one of the interesting themes some in the book in my book talking to robots is What i call the gulf war Which is like schizophrenia. Acceptance about technology where we both love and fear technology at the same time and sort of like a bad boyfriend well or could be a good boyfriend who has a sort of dark side. Maybe that's 'cause you know. I mean are smartphones. Years is probably near you right now online certainly is and you know when those first came out We were amazed. I mean they gave us almost like godlike powers in a way i mean we. We had access to all information pretty much of all times near me hours. Yeah then various ways communicate and all the apps. Did you know all kinds of things that we were pretty You know we're more difficult to find in the mass and learn about before and we're only now i mean that was two thousand six. I think when the iphone came out Two thousand seven maybe And only now beginning to see a wait a minute. What's that crooked my neck or you know the dark side of basically the internet and how they smartphones can manipulate us. And you know that's the way works. We have this love love. Love love it when it comes out and it provides a certain convenience and then we find out there's some dangers but the fear part is fascinating because at the same time Were loving our phones by day. Were watching you know. Altered carbon and westworld. And all of these dystopia pick. you know. really apocalyptic You know programs on television. And he's films so what is going on there. That's what i meant by that technophobia like we're you know it's like our brains are working on two different tax there and i think it's because we know that technology is both amazing dangerous. Interestingly enough examples that i gave with the smartphone and the television said and what the vcr whatever it is that came into your home basically. Now we're talking about is you're you're near collisions with intelligence. They're definitely getting smarter than i do. More things but they're also we're in a real lot of interesting moment on the cusp of of many changes and one of them is where we're going through a period where the machines aren't as smart as we would like them to be. We couldn't ask our radio. You know in the past to play a song right. We had to actually go turn it on. We had to find you know. Find the station all of that. So that's an improvement but let's face it. Alexa also was kind of stupid at times and one of my fears is that before they machines get really smart. We gotta deal with them being kind of stupid at times and i fear that actually in the short term afraid alexa may of heard you. And we'll be uncooperative. Now uh oh yeah and of course stopped using alexa by the way. 'cause you know i'm a i'm a life science reporter as you know and i was talking about some obscure disease which i kept saying over and over again during a call an interview with with somebody and was sitting there in the room and while i was still on the phone on my computer i started getting ads the treatment for that disease supposedly alexa to you for marketing purposes. Are i mean for Say you're trying to keep the product up to date and all of that but that was creepy. That creeped me out enough. That i actually got a call. Jeff basis rattle. No you're listening. Don't do that to do that. I don't go down. he's busy. How do i know i don't know it's probably building on what you said earlier about artificial intelligence you know machine learning and ai. That's all technology but now whenever you talk about a robot bought so maybe maybe it started with in a mass way with c. three p. o. r. two d. two with these things we going to say the word anthropomorphized does it right. You said it yes. I mean actually read big long question here like that. I have to say but we project ourselves onto these beings. We assign human qualities to them. That's a very natural thing for us to do. And and it's very simple to do with all of these bots and robots where we do it anyway. I mean it was just the way we have people in the book pointed out you can practically paper bag and put a couple of dots for eyes on the smiley face and you already think of it as being human but in fact what i try to do in the book They're there twenty four robots and i wrote about and It's it's an interesting plus scenarios for there. They talked to many people about well. You know in their world with they could see cases they have version of them exists some cases they're just being talked about But the idea they're like say warrior bader's sex bader doc bod Teddy bear but It's trying to incorporate all these things you're talking about. I mean there's the actual hardware and software that's being developed I don't really focus on that as much because a lot of people right about that. I'm more interested in the impact of this on humans But this idea of you know. What is ai and is is it becomes more and more human like there is ten even as tension. I mean a lot of engineers Don't see a particular need to turn something into like you know. Rosie made jets awful but it was a man or you know these these human like robots but that's that's part of what we're kind of wrestling with right now as humans As technologies get more sophisticated and they move into rounds that are more effect us emotionally. Or you know. They're interacting with us even on an ethical moral basis. Which is you know not happening big time now but it's definitely there You know how do we. How do we even create what a robot looks like and you know. Should it look like a human or you know a box. I mean they're all these and but it's all tied in with certainly popular culture and you know the word robots as but you know. Even in the silent film era. There was metropolis. Which is you know had. The woman transforms into a machine. You know robot like machine and we've kind of been thinking about this mostly in fairly. Just oh pick ways for a long time and the crazy thing is that we might actually be on the cusp of building. Some of these for real. And i think it's a good thing to do to to consider the intelligence around us to draw a map of what life is like you're listening to tech nation. I'm moir again my guest today is david. Ewing duncan you know him well as a regular biotech contributor detect nation as well as author of such books as experimental man and calendar. He's here today with talking to robots tales from our human robot future. And i'm really glad to say that at least on this cover you're not naked holding the book and as you did with experimental man you know. Well yeah we were tasteful brushing and fall there but yeah good. I might be the only person to pose nude for a wired story. That's where that came through was supposed to be the cover but actually i'm pretty happy. It wasn't yeah it was in the magazine. Yea showed up a lot of places guy for a while it was about. I was one of the first people ever be genetically sequenced and this way back in two thousand and two But it was interesting because that story started with i'm naked. I'm exposed and a photographer. Thought what are we make him really naked. I met my jeans not myself. Not the first story to go awry. Let's talk about the people you talk to about talking to robots and how this all came about well. That was kind of fun. I call them my human collaborators and now really marking this human said this yes a real human because the book is partially fiction but that part is not although i do take some real characters from the president and extrapolate them into fictional versions of themselves in the future. I should probably say that. The book is is reported from the present and and i talked a real people in the present but it actually is narrated by someone or some it could be a robot something living in the future who knows how things turned out so each chapter is grounded in reality in the present. But it's actually got a fictional story wrapped around it you know from the future so these these individuals i mean it's it's dean cayman. It's george church. Should you know. Felt the filmmaker. Tiffany slain Sex therapists and it goes on and on talking about the sex. Is that clear. We're not going to well by the way you say that. Because they said that so that would be so boring. Because the idea of the spots kinda creepy and uniting on that interesting they're interested in you gotta tapped out of it. Well it's called. It's called sex intimacy bought okay. And that's because astaire parral the famous sex therapist said to me she wouldn't even talk to me about a sex pot that sat just stupid. That's how she talks But into it's about yeah yeah no. It's great use that we didn't want to go there. We probably should guy but it's about relationships and intimacy and companionship. And actually even the companies that sell these sex spots which by the way they say have a and they're fairly sophisticated and they go everybody's cost the twenty five thousand dollars but anyway a few want to spend that but even they market their products as companionship and one one of the bigger companies says mita. I never be alone again. And part of the programming here is and it's all guys pretty much. I think there is a version. But yeah i know. Isn't that shock. The basically the this bought sincere and tells you wonderful you all the time i could eat of. What did you say that relationship. I'm just fabulous and it. It is really interesting that you say that. And that she's she has contributed there because people just want you know you get a certain age and you just want companionship. The companionship leads to the companionship. Leads to intimacy is one of those uman connectors those. There's element that makes you feel very hall. No no and in the future in the fictional story as it plays out I talked to a couple of other Relationship therapist. Emily more so actually comes from san francisco and was on love line with dr drew for many years. And bret brian cole. Who's a young younger relationship expert from australia. They're really amazing. You should check them both out but They helped me develop in the future. What we call intimacy bought and everybody has one at the. Ed can be an app on your phone. It's basically a hologram. No pops up and answers your questions. All those things you would ask you know maybe a relationship therapist or psychologist. You know why. Why is my boyfriend on in our hollow dak with other other holographic women instead of with me you know in the future. You can't program that yeah and you know it can help encourage people to get over arguments that you know all so. It's funny that you know. This is what they do right. Is the human real people today. This is what they do. They try to help. People have healthy relationship and this is their robotic embodiment in the future intimacy as it would as it would play out well. Of course the the. I bought i love. We all grew up with teddy bears or some kind of you know some kind of stuffed animal. Everybody had a favorite. And of course our good buddy kevin kelly the longtime founding editor of wired and he is the teddy bought. Tell us about teddy well. What i did was each each of these people. I talked to I asked him what kind of robot they would like to meet in the future or be afraid of meeting and why now some people i sort of shaped their answer you know hoping that the journalists will talk about journalism Kevin no. Because he's kevin. Kelly i i didn't know where he was going to go with it. And he just kinda blurted out like to see teddy and this would be and he said. I think we'll have something like this. It'll be a cute little furry toy robot but it won't be a toy at all. It'll be a sophisticated possibly sentient. Ai system that takes care of our kids and it protects them at teaches them. Entertains them Basically yeah and it tells their parents but they're talking about well until they figure out how to hack into stop that but the way that's added where that's to replace out and this is the way most of these chapters are based on these conversations and sit there and talk for an hour hour and a half kevin kelly about what you know what might go right or wrong with teddy but with that kind of power True ai brain and we decided that it would become first of all the children will love them pro possibly more than anyone else like their parents are friends but also we got into this whole issue of who programs. It is the factory pro ios manufacturer program it or does the government have programming to or. Do we leave it to you know to parents are but when teddy bought says alexa. Then time to batteries just gets into programs ethics and morality. Because you know this is a robot is teaching our children and you know in the future in the story. I lay out. There's all kinds of problems because You get white. Supremacists programming teddy to teach their kid. Extract that kind of extremism. Yes kevin points out marin county program to be ultra liberal And on and on and on and finally there's a backlash because you know the the the influence of these teddy bots programmed. You know to teach kids. Ethics rowdy is so crazy that these kids all ended up. You know even extreme versions of the parents that wanted to make them extremists. Let what is swing from the old. The internet will bring us together yes. Technology will divide us all. Well this is of course is is an echo of what's happening unexpectedly with the internet as you say you know because that's we didn't expect that when this started that you would be having you know all these extremists online joining together and doing crazy things but in the end They they dumbed down the teddy box. So basically my little kids wanted also gangs get a hold of them and program then. They're all kinds of things that go wrong. Haven't gotten out of chapter one listener. But that's good by the way i'm a historian and you know how these technologies played out. Historically is project that largely into the future. And we often as i as i was saying earlier We love these technologies. We don't really understand the downsides them we don't think enough about them they something goes wrong and we have to fix it and usually do you know unless something really awful happens and some of these technologies are very powerful like like warrior bought. That could go really wrong but hopefully it doesn't go too wrong before we can fix it and make it so balance it out so it's we can take advantage of the things that are good about it and protect ourselves from the things. That aren't so good. Well you mentioned tiffany slain and her father. The late leonard slain. Who was just a terrific guy was at but boy he he in many different areas one of which is art and physics and he was showing people how you could look into the art that was developed and then later on see how we finally figured it out and physics then go onto technology so the whole idea that of of trying to look into the future extrapolate try to be creative it. It doesn't mean you have to be right or there's a single future the whole idea that if you can start looking there it gives you an idea about where we might go as highly valuable today. No that's right. In fact i dealt with that issue and Again there've been a lot of books written about robots and either they all kinda stall out in. What's going to happen because you don't we we don't know we don't have any dirty little secret of the future s.'s. You can't predict the future. Aren't i mean we. You know we can see patterns from history. But i i try to deal with that issue by having alternate futures so each of these futures is different and some of them turn out well and some of them go right to the brink and then pull back and others turn out really badly. You're listening to tech nation. I'm moir again my guest today is david. Ewing duncan you know him well as a regular biotech contributor detect nation as well as the author of such books as experimental man and calendar. He's here today with talking to robots tales from our human robot future. We'll talk more after a break. Podcasts of tech nation are available at npr one. I tunes stitcher and other podcasts indication outlets coming up in the second half of our show daniel craft talks about robots today doing surgery. Frankly you might prefer one to human. And gary davis talks about was actually in those massive thefts of online credentials and could yours be one or more of them. Stay with Your listening the tech nation. I've been speaking with david. Ewing duncan his book is talking to robots tales from our human robot future. Now of course. We're both journalists. So i had to go directly to the journalism bought As imagined or contributed to by fast company's stephanie. Made and former host of all things considered robert siegel and first thing. It starts that with calls out. Why as soon as it hears it the anti fib app instant fact checker. We use that. Well that's so in the future. We can't believe what was going on in in the present The people actually got away with telling lies because in the future we have the anti feb apt from from no lie limited. That's the name of the company made that developed it and which is because it doesn't exist. Yes doesn't well fictional fixing see. You're already getting into one of the problems with you. Know it's easy for the no fill up on a direct li- like you know black as wider or whatever but when you start getting into fiction and you know metaphor and all the these areas that Is going to be really difficult. We have an app probably like that even now. You know it'd be kind of clunky but You could certainly take you know. Literal facts and and create like that now but think of all the things. That aren't entirely real. That you know how we speak and similarly and beyond yeah fictional stories and daily you look lovely lie that well no app does have a function to allow white lies. And that's exactly the example. I use you great today. Dear look look great. Great took a while to develop in the future. And you know. I see that the intimacy bod and the and the anti the the you know kind of hannah relate to each other and conduct the anti technology and the future has very difficult. Time with complex poetry like shakespeare And in that is everybody's using jobs in the futures they anti company has to hire back a bunch of humans because you need humans to actually figure out what's well what's say poetry as opposed right. Yes is it. You're fixing old and again a lot of these are plays on what's happening now. I mean that's that's a gigantic problem in facebook right now. Facebook wants to have everything reduced to an algorithm and have no humans in the loop and it's turning out the algorithms catch all the you know hate speak and all these other people very clever so anyway. That's what happens in the future but when we're talking about journalists the key thing is not about well we're out there to tell the truth the key thing that we have with the people that read us or listen to us or consumer. Whatever we're delivering our media is trust. They are listening because they trust you. And trust in. General is a problem for the journalism. Bought yeah in fact in the chapter. And i think in general Trust is different than not lying. And you know you. And in fact as i suggest unless it's really concrete sort of black or white It's a lot of a lot of what we say and do in journalism. Despite the old fashioned idea being objective is open to interpretation and it really does come down to trust and I in that particular chapter. I actually go back in time. A little bit too time You know in the fifty sixty seventy s. When there was a lot of trust in journalism. In fact i was one of. It's weird because i think it's wet about congress maybe slightly above congress trusted of journalists But there was a time when you had the three networks on tv and you know. Correspondence anchors like walter cronkite. Walter cronkite was. The most trusted person in the united states added. It was true. Yep yep forget premature now but he went into his newscasts with and that's the way it is and people thought that is the way it is and in fact go check him up and down and if there was a problem he'd correct at the next day correct but of course you had to wait to the next day. Everything was slower in context. And yet we get to today and if you don't like human journalists try but journalists. Let's talk about helium graph. Oh yeah well yeah they have all these cute little names Most major this was news to me by the way. Speaking of news That new york times. The wall street journal the washington post. They all use ai. Now much more than. I realized an earlier than i thought it. It began in two thousand sixteen With sports scores around the rio olympics and then with the election that year where are very simple like so and so won you know such and such race and a little color written around. They just programmed a bunch of words that could be fit into formulaic sentences. And so hey. I actually wrote a lot of those pre short stories and then they did the same thing the election with you know some district in california so and so one and you know. Here's a few colorful things about that And they you know this fact straight. The numbers and assembled into sent us. Yeah i guess it's still the truth. Well yeah i mean you know. I think what you're getting a slow creep. You know of removing humans and almost every industry but journalism Certainly in the simpler stories. And you know a lot of a lot of humans have lost. Their jobs had lost their jobs already with fiscal analyses. Like almost all the statistics. Sports a they used to be a symbol by actual humans. Well the question is safe. You're looking at the masthead of a magazine or newspaper How how high up will that creep goes all right and d to like. Oh yeah right And this is something. Stephanie meta from fast company Who's been my editor was my editor fortune. And she's an amazing journalist and editor That's what she was wondering you know she thinks will stop at a certain point. You know because she can't imagine. I don't think anybody can imagine A robot or a system doing say what she mentioned. michael lewis stas are the really great writers. We have out there with. michael lewis. Says he's written wrote liar's poker and Originally was the book and You know many many other Amazing books mostly about wall street. Who's But he was a colleague of mine at the cutting portfolio which was a business magazine But very creative guy and he finds obscure kind of stories and I'm trying to what. I can't remember the name of the movie. Where the big short the short that was a and he wrote a piece in fact for portfolio for our magazine that that that movie was developed out of. But anyway you. It's a very odd ball kinda sideways. Look what everybody all the other the date of everybody else's looking at and the trends and he saw something really different. And how would you ever be able to program. You have to. You have to know how to do it to program the computer to do it. I keep reminding people about that in the space. So you've been running around you've been talking to a whole bunch of people And there's a bunch of robots in here bunch of bots twenty four them as you say what is the one that has drawn the most interest or couple that have drawn the most interest. Well sex bhatt is tying always there. When we didn't talk about a lot of interviewers say right before we start it go well. I don't know if we're gonna talk about the sex spot but they do. They just can't help themselves. I don't know But again that that goes into direction you don't think it does. It actually goes towards some fairly fairly interesting serious stuff about relationships and intimacy. 'cause this is about something really important is it's love and relationships and how we feel about ourselves and how we feel about each other and that's not just an expert chapter that that's a big theme in the book. Because you know. I i just throw the question out there. I guess like a journalist How far do we want to go with that. you know. And how willing are we to have machines sort of take over like raising our kids. Or is you get later in the book as god bought and it's not like a religious god but it's it's brian greene physicists. And that's robot he wants is a robot that can tell them how the universe works because that's the theoretical physicist. Would it be a benevolent robot because we would. I don't know that thing where we would. We would be like nats ear. You know if it knew everything in the universe and he's thinking of it as a teacher that could teach him as a physicist. But i don't know i mean could go any number of ways which is what your book does. It goes any number of david. Such a pleasure. Please come back see us anytime and and good luck with the by thank you more. I really appreciate it. My guest today is david. Ewing duncan his book is talking to robots tales from our human robot future. It's published by dutton. I'm moir oregon. You're listening to tech nation. I remembered that tech nation health. Chief correspondent dr daniel craft content some surgery this long career so i asked him. Do you think that robotics and artificial intelligence will replace you. Why been a flight surgeon term When i served in the air national guard for the sort of doctor that takes care of. Let's say pilots though we weren't operating in this guy so to be clear. I trained in internal medicine pediatrics. Emu jank allergy did some sort of bone marrow transplantation. But that's not full on surgery but if we think about this new era of digital surgery even robotic a elements of surgery it's not going to replace the surgeon but it's going to increasingly augment them and assist them and that starts at the beginning. How do you train let's say a surgeon. There's over five million individuals who are estimated to punchy die every year from lack of access to surgical care might be as simple as an appendectomy. That's needed from or a fracture. That's not set properly and leads to infection or and morbidity and mortality tonight we can start to use some of these new tools to train medical providers not even full on surgeons to to woulda specialized surgeon. Might do here in in. The united states will start with simulation and training. Were down on low cost and virtual reality. You can put your smartphone in google cardboard device and now watch surgery that's been recorded or even streamed in real time from the operating room as my doctor shafi. I'm ed pioneered three years ago. I was in the. Or five thousand. Medical students were watching that surgery. They can learn from master surgeons seeing the ability to put on a vr headset. Like an and now practices surgery just like pilots will train simulator. We can simulate that sort of training and we're now starting in this world even do mentoring if i'm A new newly trained surgeon in Let's say role rwanda. And i have a patient with a condition of there were seen before i might call on help from the surgeon in london or cairo or san francisco. They could be watching through my my ipad or my google glass and guiding me through procedure. What's exciting i think is that these are going to converge when we can start to record surgeries. Which is doable to now. Not just upload them to youtube but two platforms it can start to analyze. Let's say that laparoscopy surgery to take out that gallbladder start to understand what are the dangerous parts of the procedure where do surge often get in trouble and now with ai. Machine learning identify for the surgeon. That that's the vein you don't wanna cut or there's the there's the the the party anatomy you really want to go after and dissect and give you almost a aways or google maps for surgery. So we're gonna see this super convergence of learning data and guidance. Moving forward as i understand it. We've already started down. This path of autonomous surgery A friend recently who had cataract surgery that the doctor didn't do it a few numbers but the doctor didn't do it now with we. We do. Corneal mapping estimates. How do you shave the cornea to best optimize your vision and the ophthalmologist presses. The button in the lazer zap. That's an example of autonomous surgery in a sense We're going some of you might have seen the movie prometheus where the woman has alien inside in the robotic surgeon does the entire autonomous surgery. for It's quite dramatic. I think we're still a bit farther away from truly autonomous surgery. Let's say inside the body beyond ophthalmology but we're starting to occur is for example work published years ago out of Dc children's hospital that robots could be trained to so Parts of the colon together. Some called anastomosis very common element and it could do it. Theoretically better than surgeon. It's part of surgery so you can imagine the sort of blend where the surgeons in there and says here's the line and the robotic surgeon draws and does the completed task sort of this blending of as we say an artificial intelligence. I'd like the thing is intelligence augmentation to be just like we have The idea of autonomous cars helping out with are driving From driver assist we're gonna move to surge in assists and it's gonna be this kind of combination that's going to really transform intervention. It's pretty clear that whenever technology comes it kinda just creeps in the fingers you know keep coming in and eventually it gets to wherever it's right it's not like we can't solve that technically so much is this is the right balance. It's a balance and it's meeting the need you know. In certain parts of the world again very few surgeons now technology like five a rolling out. Five g is about one hundred times the speed of our four g networks and it's been demonstrated in early two thousand nineteen. I an model that a surgeon from several thousand miles away could operate initially on a pig and then literally a month later. The first five g based surgery was done Six thousand miles apartments. In china and china has a dearth of a short of surgeons in most parts of the country. So we're gonna see a new era where surgeon might be home their jama's on their tablet or little robotic control device doing a surgery across the planet and una five g network which is now so fast with very little latency just like kids can play the games in real time and xbox is around the world that you can operate in real time as well but that's a good question. Do i want the surgery from somebody on a five g network thousands of miles away or do i want something. It's autonomous. there's something inside me that's different than they expect. Well in this world digital surgery is going to become a blend. We're gonna see the full on Autonomous surgery and. You probably don't want that yet just like you still want the pilot in the cockpit of your plane flying across the country You often can see that the entire from takeoff to landing could be done with the auto pilot but we still want the pilots there for a case of emergency. I think that's going to be a model. It's health care hair win this person to care. Here's your surgeon. He wanted to look them in the eye. That human touch element And the ability for some of these technologies to again augment. The intervention will be. Give us some more time for that. That care kind the equation. We do have a challenge is more global issue about physician burnout Often it's called moral injury where physicians and health care. Givers are not able to do the part of the care they trained to do. They're stuck you know doing billing and filling at eletronic medical records so in some ways whether it's a robot or an ai chat but it's gonna sort of augment or cared hopefully bring back the core components that many folks brought them into medical professions. Start with daniel. Thanks for coming in. Take your take nation. Health chief correspondent. Dr daniel craft is the founder and chair of exponential medicine the exponential medicine conference twenty nineteen is scheduled for early november at the hotel. Coronado in san diego more information is available at exponential medicine dot com. We often hear about data breaches and the theft of online data. I learned that many are combined into massive credential dumps for sale on the internet. I asked technician contributor. Gary davis the chief consumer security evangelist at mcafee to tell us about them. Of course when i first asked there were two massive credential dumps out. The time he got here there were five. We are up to five and let me make sure i get the numbers right. The called collections collections. One through five. And they have an estimated eight hundred forty five gigabytes of data or twenty. Five billion email password combinations. That is a lot of usually patrick combinations. If i'm just a regular joe consumer that would worry me because that tells me that that no matter what account i may have used at some point it's been compromised and this is such an important inflection point for us in this industry because we're always talking about your password hygiene changing passwords making sure you're using complex passwords but this above all else should should really alert people to the importance of going in change their passwords because they could have your really complex password and knew that people think they're so clever on got this really good password. Actually there's there's this great website called. have i been postponed. that's have i been. Pw and dot com. Have i been shown dot com in. It'll basically you can put your password in there and it'll tell you how many times that password is in the database so if you're using the most popular password one two three four five six You probably see how many times people use that and why. It's probably a good idea to use that password but it is an extremely great resource for consumers so clever clever until we realize. Oh my goodness that password been used over and over and over again. It's funny because know when collection one collection to hit within a week where i got my first scam email my first phishing email and it was all we got this credentials and tell us from my space and goes. Use my space right. There will be people who will look at that so hold my goodness they really important password and they must have this information so i better go paid this figure out. Bitcoin works and go pay this off. Well i did get an email that it was from a very large company and looked all official and said you're password has been compromised in here. Is your password. Please logging here and update your password. You didn't do that but i thought how. Many of these mails went out. And how many people actually updated their password. And it's like which the now they knew. What your password. The new one so you could feel all secure but they know the frailty of being human and they know that people say oh. My goodness it's your. They've used the logo the us good english. Obviously i've used his company for whatever so you must be legitimate and you're the one i love and it's a little bit of a tangent. But when they said oh by the way we your credit card starting in these four digit has been compromised log in here to go fix it well. Every credit card every visa starts with the first four every massacre so people all they must have it because at the first four and realize every these is the same and remastered americans say they must have got the first four digits. Start to type. It knows which one it is exactly the first four digits now collection one collection two collection three are they from presumably different sources or different places to people own them if they did analysis in apparently just collect one collection to over two thousand sources of breached data things that yahoo linked in dropbox in it's been collected collected over the years. Yes in this when you think about the my space that was breached years ago but so few people use it nowadays It didn't really shock the system. But when you have something as massive as yahoo or some of these really large breaches and and they're more current that's where you get a little more larne because of the the human nature to use the same password and multiple counts and the bad guys know this and actually one of the things that these collections are used for is called credential stuffing you think about all the sites you go today which have some sort of credentials right username password. What they'll do is they'll know that here are the top ten places you'd likely go and they just throw these sets of credentials out to see if any of 'em work and if they do they're in and then they'll poke around to see what can i get can get your address as their credit card information or other information that this credential set allowed me to access why could perhaps go do more damage exactly. There's a lot of information about. There's a profile. There's all kinds of things where you mail all this stuff that if you're buying things you know so there's a lot more information if you put it all together into a bigger information profile. We're we're in l. Talk more about this in future sessions but we are building these massive data lakes. And it's really this this rich resource about us we. We look at the convenience of all this wonderful stuff. You know stuff like location dragon for gps and you'll be able to go talk our banking accounts easily but the amount of data. You're collecting through all these different resources and services is just immense just immense. Now as i understand that these collections are out on the dark web site. Did not turn your computer on dark and the and you could buy them for money in fact when they first put collection collection to well. It was a ridiculously low price. And i forgot the number one point. Zero zero zero four five cents per record but then they figured let's go ahead make collection one collection two free just to show what kind of criminal sets. We have and then charged for collections to through five. So they're actually collection one collection. Two are now at least last check. There was still free on the dark web and there could have been a momentary sale. Could which is just finding because these guys are like any other out to make money and you have to prove that you have the goods right if you just say well. I had this massive set of your credit cards or so screwed numbers. Whatever if you can't validate that it's known good list then. It really doesn't have any value to people who would want to buy that. So i think that the intent for collection collection to to give legitimacy to give the to the list that they had a good list and then they could sell this for some real money in collection. One collection been kind of worked over though isn't actually and so a number of people would have changed their password so you gotta go onto new collections to make them valuable. I hope people heard about collection one collection to and they took it upon themselves to go at least explore this a little bit to see if maybe they go change your. I fear that not enough people do it. And the reason i fear that is because these things still work. You know if if everybody heard about this and went in and change your passwords and did that good password hygiene you know the the cyber criminal networks would diminish but we're not seeing that continued growth industry because people have poor habits. They hear about this stuff in the here about how devastating it can be that every time they log in to a new place. They put the same password. Yes the same password over and over again and the bad guys know it. The bad guys know what if they're using this email using us name in email for using a password for their social media account. They're probably using it for the bank as well as look see if we can figure out which bank they're using and see if we can use these credentials. Okay finally. what's the dark web. The dark web it or not. The dark web is almost equal in size to the web as we know it. But it's the part of the internet. That's not index by your search engine. So you can't go into something. Google and search for a certain instance of something exists in the dark web. You have to have a special set of tools in order to access but the information. That's there is almost as rich in as as full as the internet as we know it today. It's it's almost similar in size to the that big. How can they escape. Google the rest of us are all here they make these are non-profitable site. So you can't put a. It's called the spider which would crawl your web in. I i think i have it. I try to tell people that google can't listen to the audio of the shows. Posted out there. You'd have to make it a transcript. And then they can transcribe. The tax can crawl the crawl the text the index of tech index honor. That's right so the data that's out. There is not in the form that google would normally crawl. It's in the form. But it's it's stored in locations which google have access to because this is still a machine readable information the credential set for example. Are the credential sets now. Whether or not password has been what's called hashtag encrypted is your vary depending on a number circumstances but the data is could be index but they they store and locations which are crawl bore accessible by the the search engines. And things like that. How do you do that. How do you get one of those takes a little bit of work I probably talk about that. You know how to do. It won't because you don't want to incent people to do things that would be militias right and it's also the ways you access this. For example there's ways you want access that you don't want your eyes peter. No you're doing you kind of fly under the radar. The internet service provider. You're spreads correct. But so there's there's ways you access that you don't want to be known that you're doing and accessing so again it's a tricky thing that we really don't like to talk about just because we don't want to give but just now it's there. It's there sure. Gary your phone. You're also kind of scary that thanks for coming in. I love coming here. I appreciate the time. Tech nation regular contributor. Gary davis is the chief consumers security evangelist at mcafee four technician. I'm oregon technician at its regular segment. Biotech nation are produced at the studios of fm in san francisco executive producer. Matt gardner director of technical production is monte carlos and audio engineers include howard gelman seal muller and larry upton. Our theme music was composed by an knock treves edgar and robert powell with title creation provided by name lab inc of san francisco program. Information and internet audio is available on the web at tech nation dot com tech nation and biotech nation are productions of tech nation media. I'm paul land court miles.

Ewing duncan dr daniel craft Gerry davis david alexa ai David ewing duncan san francisco paul land core david ewing five minutes Five minutes kevin kelly five g dean cayman astaire parral twenty five thousand dollars dr drew bret brian cole alexa
8am Newscast

Houston Public Media Local Newscasts

03:17 min | 5 months ago

8am Newscast

"Live from news. Eighty eight seven in houston medi robinson four medical centers in texas a preparing to receive some twenty thousand doses of the pfizer vaccine today. That's according to the houston chronicle. Vaccines will go to the md anderson cancer center in houston along with hospitals in dallas austin and san antonio tomorrow another seventy five thousand doses will arrive to nineteen location statewide including seven in houston and the report says as many as twenty seven hospitals in the area could have vaccines by mid week in other news. A man is in the hospital this morning. After a houston. Police officer shot him in the ben taub hospital. Parking lot police chief. Art oscillator says his officer was acting in self-defence. The man who was shot had a knife he was using to cut himself and then lunged at the officer dropping the knife and the suspect starting running rutta the officer at what point. The officer discharged a more than one around. We believe two rounds. Striking suspect. Oxidative says he then tried to steal the officer's vehicle. The man was handcuffed and taken into ben taub for surgery for gunshot wound the man had i come to the hospital for psychological distress according to police the hp officer who was shot who shot the man was also working as a contracted security officer. Forbidden top osservato says he'll be unlimited duty until there's a full investigation voters in district be have finally chosen a city council member a year after the first votes were cast jin. Rice has the latest on the race that was held up by a slow moving legal battle. Tertia jackson out cynthia bailey. Winning sixty eight percent of the vote in the runoff race over the weekend. Jackson is a longtime advocate for criminal justice reform. She started organizing after her son was arrested in his special needs. Class and jailed. She'll represent district which includes acres homes and fifth ward. I wanted change. My the race was stalled for months because of a lawsuit over her opponents felony conviction ultimately courts cleared the way for bailey to run. Jackson is expected to be sworn-in in about a week allowing district is term limited incumbent. Gerry davis to finally stepped down. I'm jen rice in houston more news on the cova front texas reported more than eight thousand new cases of covid nineteen and another one hundred and eleven deaths linked to the disease on sunday state. Health officials reported just under sixty five hundred newly confirmed cases of covid nineteen. Yesterday that brings the official totals more than one point. Three million confirmed cases and twenty four thousand deaths. The texas department of state health services says more than ninety two hundred. Texans were hospitalized with covid nineteen on sunday. The chicago bears snapped a six game. Losing streak with a thirty six seven victory over the houston texans yesterday. Texans quarterback deshaun watson was sacked seven times in team's ninth loss of the season next up. Houston travels to indianapolis on sunday with another matchup against the colts. I'm eddie robinson. Knees at eight seven support for npr comes from npr stations. Other contributors include. At and t. Committed to see.

houston medi robinson md anderson cancer center ben taub hospital Art oscillator ben taub osservato houston chronicle Tertia jackson cynthia bailey sixty eight percent pfizer texas san antonio austin dallas Gerry davis jen rice Jackson hp
Episode 19-37 Smart Cities, Smart Doctors, Smart Security, Smart Drug Design

BioTech Nation Radio Podcast

59:00 min | 1 year ago

Episode 19-37 Smart Cities, Smart Doctors, Smart Security, Smart Drug Design

"Coming up on tech nation. It's all about data who's collecting it. And why and how it can serve us and maybe not leo maher from red. Ninja joins made talk about smart cities around the world. Then tech nation health chief correspondent daniel craft thinks. Perhaps we can crowdsource medical questions. We'll take nation contributor. Gerry davis reminds us that we love free stuff and we pay for it with our data. Finally what happens to all that data. We collect to prove a drug is safe. Krishnan nana bolland from any a sees value. All this coming up on this week's tech nation. Let's take five with more gun this. It's five minutes in twenty thirteen genetics professor and noted researchers sean carroll spoke to me about his book brave genius a scientist philosopher and their daring adventures from the french resistance to the nobel prize. Often we try to pigeonhole people. By their professions scientists accountant writer fill in the blank but uman lives are complex. Especially if you're living in europe during world war two well in the late summer of nineteen thirty nine Invaded poland and france and britain were pledged by treaty to come to poland's aid but really didn't they declared war on germany but they did not intervene in combat and then what began after poland fell was was called the phony war about seven or eight months where the armies were aligned facing each other but outright ward erupt until may tenth of nineteen forty when needed holland belgium and luxembourg and france. And that's sort of the beginning of world war two and in western europe For britain and other countries as well and in a short amount of time to everyone's surprise especially french people france collapsed and really in a matter of days the outcome was Decided to took another month for surrender and Most good chunk of northern france was occupied including paris for the next four years until the allied invasion and the combination of bombing and ground troops in the resistance pushed the germans out eventually won the war no matter what your profession this culture. By by surprise we're talking. About two nobel prizes ultimately one literature one in physiology shared by four people who lived through those times and they were all living in paris in nineteen forty when germany invaded france. Who were they. What were they doing at the time. And had their lives change. Whether live changed remarkably and i'd even assert that it was sort of a perverse way the german invasion propelled them to their path to greatness. Oh for three of them. I think that was certainly true. One was the writer. Albert camus who is totally unknown who is working on a mediocre newspaper in the spring of nineteen forty and toiling on a novel in his spare time. Another was Zoology graduate student named jacques. Mono who thirty years old was a relatively underachieving Graduate student who hadn't quite found his direction in research and a third was francois. Shaq kkob who was at the time a nineteen year old medical student hoping to become a surgeon. And what happened is in this sudden collapse of france they all had sort of find a new path and for jacoby Fled the country and eventually joined up with french forces and served as a medic of france for several years. I'll get back to historian a second Jack manoa stayed on site in paris. Join the french resistance. And at the same time he completed his doctorate he started Really living a double life. As both a a member of the resistance and a scientist by day in albert camus who had a bit of a journey back and forth between french algeria and france but published his first couple books during the war and really by a matter of attrition of his colleagues in the resistance wound up becoming the editor of what became the most famous underground resistance. Newspaper called combat and he wrote some of the. Most stirring eloquent words are anyone's ever written in journalism in the few days of the liberation of paris in august nineteen forty four and so the transformation for each of these people over the course of four or five years was a matter of either from anonymity to fame or from sort of A meandering nuts. Such a great sense of urgency or purpose to a very clear sense of purpose. A case of jakob's. He was so badly wounded in normandy in nineteen forty four that he couldn't pursue a career in surgery decided to pursue a career in science instead and wound up winning the nobel prize twenty years later this interview in two thousand thirteen with genetics professor. Sean carroll talks about brave genius. A scientist of law sopher delivering adventures from the french resistance to the nobel prize. His latest book is the seren. Getty rules the quest to discover how life works and why it matters. I'm warrior gun. This is five minutes. Five minutes is produced at the studios of k. Q. e. fm in san francisco. Five minutes is a production of tech nation media. I'm paul lamport from san francisco. I'm maura gun. And this is tech nation today on technician. It's all about data seemingly everywhere leo mar. The ceo of red ninja in liverpool england joins me talk about smart cities around the world and how we can better take care of each other. It just takes better data. Then tech nation health chief correspondent dr daniel craft gives us insight into how we can crowdsource medicine. Can we really expect our one doctor to have all the answers. Then who do you trust with your data. Regular technician contributor. Gary davis reminds us that we love free stuff and the exchanges are data and finally what about all the data that gets collected to prove that a drug is safe is at one and done or can we learn from it. We'll hear from krishnan none in imbalan- the ceo of invent a and now leo maher from red ninja. Welcome to tech nationlly. Franks moyer glad to be here. All you have to do is look at the data. Clearly people are moving to the city. How do we have to build. Our cities. Change our cities for the future to be ready for the future. Yeah you're right. I think says a growing massively. We're all moving into cities of is asians. I think the way we move around cities that's changed so much just even the last five years we've now got electric skateboards scooters bieber wheels everywhere. All this stuff in its. He knew we don't need to have a car anymore. And i think that's the the big change i'm seeing in cities is the old model. Maybe the us model of a city is a big sproule city car to get from the suburbs to the center. But the the new cities. I think urban dwellers i live in downtown area. And that's that's the way cities where in medieval times really. So i think we just move him back to those kind of walkable downtown cities where we live in the city. You know we play in the city. We work in the city centers of kind of being dominated by by retail last in the last few generation. I think that's changing. So i think it's about what experiences can you have in cities and we need to get together face to face and that's often in city. We can communicate through the internet book. We still need to look each other in the. I like this. We got like connection and you know do the do the deal. Get the relationship and an adobe will ever replace. You've done a lot of advising to governments from the from the national level on down to the city and community level. What are they looking for. What clues they looking for about what to do about the future. Yeah so i think technology's just chain an exponential rates and. I think it's difficult for for people in a non tech sector to keep with it so kind of intact by. I'm very sort of humanistic person. So i'm ease taught to and i can understand everyday challenges so i kind of translate a lot of the co in edge technology in a way that a layman could understand and take advantage of so you know the technology that way creating is normally i for the good of society. I can give you an example of what we're doing in the uk around transports so the problem with solving is if you have a heart attack or stroke you need to get an ambulance within eight minutes and the the ambulances aren't getting quick enough and that's just because of congestion is not the follow the driver or the system so we use artificial intelligence to control the traffic lights in real time to move cars out of the way so an ambulance can get to the patients on time and saved the lives. And that's you know that's an example of smart cities where integrate in different data sets. We use an artificial intelligence. You could do this without you know with the current technology. You know you could say the traffic control room with your mouse and control traffic lights. But it's hard you know so so this is why we use these algorithms and and technology to to do stuff it's scale which humans just can't do because that really gives me a different picture of what we might how we might evaluate. I think might be the word the performance of our city Of course there are different. Corporations organizations government facilities providing services. But the whole idea is. How good is that service and what we do. How you integrate all that. How are we going to get there. It's a big challenge. You know it's getting people around the table to to talk openly and honestly and trying to have a vision you know. There's there's ethics involved in all this stuff but we've got to come out of our our lows that we beat in for too long on kind of work with people we don't know me work quavering. That's that's how we'll get. The new services are fit for purpose for today. And i think that's what smarts cities a supposed to be about the not just about the technology there about improving people's lives and if you know if we haven't got small citizens a small city that tells us about red ninja that's really. That's that's a different kind of organization. Yes reddin joe's is my company founded in liverpool so is called red ninja. Because if you'll good at computer programming they say you're ninja and the red comes from That's the cooler liverpool. Football co. pay play so we put out of the football okay. So that's how we got it but way we're mixture of designers data scientists and computer programmers electrical engineers so we can create hardware and software so gizmos owing websites sites and apps and algorithms so so very modern type of company. Everything we do is around trying to improve people's lives and using technology to do that so where can a lot in digital health and allow in smart cities and transport. I kind of the two areas that we we focus on in digital health. We're trying to solve one problem and this is a. This is a problem which i came across with a personal story that i can share so i was. I was a carrot for my granddad towards the end of his life he was cancer and he was living with dementia semi family. Me and my sister would care for him. My cousins and one day when we went round he had a full and it was. It was a radio about full heat. Heat fell in the middle of the night in the bathroom. He broke his cheek at like a black eye and he was. He was alone for six hours and it was. It was a terrible experience for him and after that is life deteriorated and and eventually died. Said i wanted to use my soul. Technology design approach and solve this problem. You know. I don't people's grandad's on the floor for for six hours it says a real problem and it doesn't have to be like that so i took it back to today the techies and they said let's you sensors let's use data and be better it detects in the fall but really the problem we need to solve is how can we prevent the four in the first place and so we've created an app which looks So of multiple criteria around full prevention. So we said we gotta care to do a risk assessment through this app and the app spits our personalized plan of interventions to do which reduce your likelihood of falling. So it's just it's it's as old school approach but using technology and this is now used thousands of times and it's prevent enfolds in the uk by twenty eight percent. How does it prevent falls so falls this kind of like twelve fighters which might cause a fall. It could be something as simple. As you've got the wrong footwear or it could be your medications in multiple medications might give you a side effects or could be around hydration or could be the environments of your and your or your muscles deteriorate and so once we know what the problem is then we'll give you some interventions to work on so it might be decent exercises on your legs where might be changes shoes. You've got your room slightly differently. Exactly because that's you know. Got what people might be a rock in that bathroom. You know some vince. Simple as there. And i and you'll get an owning you at about oldie. It's a. it's a big impact in your life. So yeah we've created. An app called save steps and this is being deployed across the uk in the national health service if very interesting clients. How do they approach you. How do you. How do you work. Usually you see something a company that has hardware and software skills and they say. The first thing i'd say is that we can do artificial intelligence and machine learning. Please contact us here and we'll send somebody out immediately to talk to you a bad setting up a contract. This isn't set up that way. No no we probably should be like that and have a chat bots on website by ultimately week. We design these digital products. Because we we empathize way. Everything we do is about listening. I so we we have an approach where we say listen then think than do and just keep it written and we need the experts to tell us you know how we solve this problem. Wake good at technology and design health. Experts. we're not transplant experts. We need to work with the experts to create new products in terms of your step program for example. You're actually looking to elicit behavioral change a but you're also looking to see behavioral change throughout cities thrower. How would that happen. And what kind of behavioral change. Where would you be looking. Yeah so the last four or five years. We've been trying to work with people in the transport sectors to create more livable cities so i think The behavior change. Where we're trying to to make happen is people get out of the cars and use alternative forms of transport. So i we've created a product called is sensing and this product helps cities plan for the future of transportation so if you sat's invest in that transport infrastructure they might build a new rail line or a walking path for a psychopath in this is happening and say as a change in they need to build it in the right part of the city said the the way you build it in the right part of the city. Is you understand how people are moving around now and if you know where people moving around now you can develop the right path. Stay so if you think of an example and this this this is happened in in In the sixties architects and urban planners started to design paths in schools in in connecticut based on footpaths in the snow so they wouldn't build any of the paths. they'd let to look at the foot The footprints in the snow where the children are walking. And that's why they build the the paths so we kind of do that digitally so we can understand how everyone is moving. Around the city fees and big data and sensors sola nominee is all private. We understand the trends of movement. If we understand how people are moving we can help the transport planners response demand the right way. So it's not what looks pretty or looks very organized neat but howard is actually using the city exactly exactly. So we're we're doing this in sao paulo in mexico. City and madrid in eindhoven helsinki. A lot of european cities are manchester animal of south american cities. And and we've we've. We've started working in in boulder in the us so we're we now have a presence here in the us. That's great since you're going to be working in the us and in other places near uk company. I noticed that your website is dot co which we'd say dot com here. Yeah dot uk vast right. Now you can't you just can't get a dot com. We can't just say dot com so we can get you anywhere in the world. Yeah the dot com wasn't available. And i've been i've been trying to buy it but it's i guess is announcing that on the radio. Really bad idea. Well maybe it has to slightly change your name. I think what we're doing. Is we create in products and those products have their own brand so the transport planning brand is is sensing the full prevention is safe that the ambulance prioritization is called life and they all have websites. Okay so we'll just remember reading into dot co uk. Yeah because we're uk company. The erekat lee. Thank you so much you come back and see us again. I'd love that moyer. Thank you for your time leo. Maher is the ceo a red then. Based in liverpool england more information is available at red ninja dot co dot uk. I'm oregon you're listening to tech nation smart cities. Smart anything's need data technician. Chief correspondent dr daniel craft suggests that we might ask the crowd or at least some of the crowd when it comes to medicine daniel. Welcome back to tech nation. Thanks now i want to ask you. You know crowdsourcing sourcing. Medicine crowd sourcing medicine to anybody. I mean can you do at number one and is that really a smart thing to do. It bends We all want our physicians to be top of the field. Always leading literature knowing exactly. What's going on with you superhumans. And you know. I trained in stanford and harvard and i learned certain ways we read certain journals. We had certain protocols that was sort of the. Let's say the mass general of of Treating patients after heart attack which is quite well done but what if we could glean As a patient or a clinician anywhere. What is the just the crowd. But what does the experience of the world tell you. When you're making a diagnostic or therapeutic decision so we can think of crowd sourcing. What we try and do in health and medicine is good. A beat our journals go to conferences and learn from others. But we're entering now this connected digital age. Where potentially in real time we can use the wisdom of other patients and clinicians to give us the almost the best available knowledge to do the best buy patients and that that one example of that happening now at stanford they have a platform called the green button. green button dot stanford at edu where physician at stanford who has a patient with. Let's see a challenging condition and they don't know whether treat with drug or drug be can look at all the other stanford patients who have had similar issue and find abolish there and in the path correct and that will give them a what. They're calling a bioinformatics console because there may not be double perceived controlled. Study to look from to look at the stanford experience Ucsf trying to do something with all the you see Healthcare data off. And i think part of the future medicine will be when i'm treating a patient. I'm going to get the the world's knowledge at my fingertips just in time leveraging artificial intelligence and machine learning to bring what i need to know to pick the right stanton threat surgery. The right diagnostic workup because a lot of healthcare. Now we make mistakes were were slaves to where we trained and what we've learned from individuals and now we can apply wisdom in new ways including each of us as patience individuals to start to donate our data To make these things work quicker. I'll give you one example. There's an app called sick weather and let's see you're trying to understand is influenza in your in your neighborhood. You could self report that. I have the flu and that will show up on your weather map. So maybe he'll wash your hands a bit extra before you go out or shake hands with people That could be used by epidemiologists to do a better job of predicting Where they need to do public health measure and make sure folks are vaccinated and that's a fun sort of app self reported. We're seeing examples of television shows where diagnoses are being crowd sourced. What was the name went. You mentioned to me. Diagnoses on netflix. Scenario where sometimes hard to diagnose conditions you know even a specialist had seen one or two cases when you let millions of people see that issue. Maybe they're going to go. I had that are my cousin. Did one of the early examples of that was a mother posted on facebook picture of her child who had a funny fever and kind of a red tongue and says you know. I'm not sure what's going on. But my son's got something going on. Some people saw her post as an. I know exactly what that is. That's very rare condition called kawasaki syndrome. Which can be quite dangerous And causes a fever red tongue but also can cause a Issues with the child's heart and heart coronary blood vessels. Unless you treat it pretty soon and that was a crowd source diagnosis. Cut that mother to go to the clinic and get it treated. There's a platform called crowd which also enables individuals to be disease the disease detectives and leverage their time and resources to help solve often unsolved medical mysteries. I remember traveling to washington. Dc during a period. Where i'd been there for a few days and sure enough all of a sudden. I was not feeling good and i said i turned over what i was doing to somebody else. I said. okay. I'm just going to go to the drugstore. My walked in and there was this long line to the registers. And then i went over to where you gotta pick. Were all empty that. Why don't you just watch the shells having done. So the cdc and other parts of the world we're looking for evidence of pandemic disease it could be Swine flu and people are showing him buying their pets abysmal. Those are sort of digital markers of an early sign of an outbreak. And that's a perfect example. You saw that in real life. But what if we're able to do that more more scale were were leveraging. The data across the planet particularly when diseases can now fly the speed of transatlantic flight To be much more proactive. And not wait before you show in dc and you might want that alert on your phone. Hey there's an outbreak in In the nation's capital wash your hands and and don't call these people might get even so specific A lot of debate about privacy and facebook. But apparently you can mind from facebook data and tell who and when in your social network someone's going to get the flu so you might get a little alert saying hey. Don't shake hands with myra today. You know eighty percent chance of catching the flue you wanna catch even before you get it. We've talked another episodes about ambien computing whether it's wearables or not they can pick up your temperature and motion. Some of these can give you early warning. That while you're you're you've got symptoms of the fluid day or two before you're going to go full on and maybe you should go to your pharmacy and get tamiflu or other proactive measures. Don't affect your friends and family because a lot of it's about crowd sourcing that knowledge and applying it before you get sick as opposed to after gotta be aware what's going on. Well we all want. Now it's i like to call. I used to spend time as a flight. Surgeon in the in the fighter pilot world. We call situational awareness. You want to know what's going on around you We that now. And we're driving with google maps or ways. We get the the the map of the traffic through the lens of thousands of people on the road ahead of you. So i drove to san francisco today. Pick the best route. So what if you could extend that. Google maps or ways analogy to crowdsourcing healthcare. There's a platform called patients like me. That was recently acquired. Were initially very sick. Patients with a lou gehrig's ale s could share their journeys as an israeli. Start up building an early ways for health called stuff that works where people can share their experience. And so does this drug work for me or patients like me. So i think we'll start to build out these google maps in ways for health which will use to guide your own prevention diagnostics and therapy and as well as to inform the medical community. What's working for very individual genetic subtypes locations and combining experience with medical literature increasingly mind with machine learning and to connect all those dots. Well once again daniel thank you so much has been great. Please come back. Thanks for everybody. Please wash your hands. It's almost lucius. Tech nation health. Chief correspondent dr. Daniel kraft is the founder and chair of exponential medicine the exponential medicine conference two thousand nineteen is scheduled for early november at the hotel. Coronado in san diego more information is available at exponential medicine dot com. We'll talk more after a break Podcasts of tech nation are available on. Npr one i tunes stitcher and other podcasts indication outlets coming up in the second half of our show technician regular contributor. Gerry davis tells us about who is collecting. What data about us. And why well krishnan none baalen from any a i tells us what artificial intelligence and machine learning can do for us than the search for new drugs. Stay with You were listening. The tech nation. The theme of our show is clear. Companies organizations governments and even the technologies themselves are constantly collecting data about us. It was a good time to bring in tech nation regular contributor. Gerry davis the chief. Consumer security evangelists at mcafee. Well gary welcome back to tech nation. I love being here. It's one of my pleasures in life. There you go me too now. I want to ask you because people ask me. Why are these companies collecting all this data on me. Why are they the simple answer is data is a new currency. In fact there's this well known internet analyst. Mary meeker who is the founder of bond capital in every year. She does this internet trends report. Ann and twenty eighteen. She made a point of saying. That privacy is a new paradox. We love free stuff right the fact that we can use search for anything online for free that we can share some media for free. We love that but the companies need to use the data from what we do there. In order to make money they had to be able to throw in mean to be a close. The they're not really free. Well it's free from a certain perspective but there's value there in fact one of the things. I love talking about a couple of years ago. Facebook acquired. what's up right in. What reason was when the prevailing thoughts is. Because if you look at their financials really weren't doing that while financially. But they had a lot of users on a lot of data and what the essence paid for. It was thirty five dollars per user to acquire what's app and so it's the it's the data that's being collected and how that data can be used to to build better service and and provide you more benefit so you continue to use that service. It says the self repeating thing that they're trying to do the right thing building a better service that you want to use the way to do that is to have more data about you in order to make a better service. Well think about what's up. One person calls somebody else around the other end of the world or that person usually as their neighbor but they have been to now be at the other end of the world. You know that if you if you owned whatsapp and then if you pair that with what's on facebook it's more than twice. You have a lot of information again. If i'm facebook that that provides me the opportunity to really figure out what is it that that this person is doing. What what's your behavior. And if i have another company not a facebook that says you know. I wanna know everybody from california. That's in england. This traveling to england. They could actually answer that question. Did the amount of data they have is quite breathtaking and it kind of feeds into the second part of this narrative is is it because there's a lot of concern about how this data is being used from a privacy perspective that it's driving regulations for example last year europe came out with the general general data protection regulation which gdp are which has gone into effect california As of january twenty twenty will have the california consumer privacy act which is very closely aligned with gdp or so more and more government is taking a look at how these companies are using this private information and trying to make sure they're doing it in the most appropriate way possible and the essence giving consumers more control over what these companies are collecting. And how they're storing. It and i love. We used to hear germany. Says this france says this now it's states in the united states. Say this the at california's as we have. We have laws. I mean it. It's point got all kinds of everyone's going to get pretty mad or they wouldn't have these laws snowed in bringing these regulations into effect is they. They're so much out there about the concerns of consumers in the use of this private information that that that governments have had to circuit. We need to help regulate this. In order to keep our customers safe consumer safe and frequently when people ask me this question like oh they don't even know what they're gonna use it for. They don't know what the value is over time. Finally they find someone if you want this if sell that to you know that's good and they default to let collecting more is better. Yeah right the more data have again. I may not have a use for that data today but tomorrow's another day that data may have a different context of different value tomorrow. And i think that's the real challenge here is how do we. How do we come up with a method. Because you the worst thing we can do is to stifle innovation. Because you want better services you want. Companies like facebook and google build provide you the best possible service and you. You probably understand. They need data to do that. But what are the healthy boundaries of the use of that data that that will allow me to feel comfortable. that is not being misused. We're just getting to the point. Where the reputation of a company to be trustworthy with your data that start to starting to come into play. We never used to think of that. In terms of trust trust was was there did. their product. Work of their product didn't work. Did they act appropriately. Now that we know they have their data. I mean different. Companies will certainly be more trustworthy than others agreed and funny. You meant that we actually did a survey last year that we we thousand consumers and the question was. Do you trust company x. With your personal information like age sex address marital status etc and we we provided some well-known companies the companies. We surveyed were as you might imagine. Ibm facebook dropbox. Google microsoft apple and then cosco and coca-cola interesting list interesting now which company did was considered the more people say. I would trust this company the most from that list. Which company was you know. And i don't think this is gonna be surprised anybody. It was apple. An apple has his out. Their whole existence has really focused heavily on honoring the privacy of their customers. And and and actually i would. Argue is probably a big part of why they're there so highly valued is that they know that. If you buy an apple product that the apple companies can do all they can to safeguard your private information. And i have to say having looked at this a number of times from a cybersecurity standpoint apple products have just a handful of viruses all the terrible malware that can be on their in all of their products versus all the other technologies. And it's not just they have twice as much we're talking thousands fifty thousand one hundred thousand more and then you just get literally a handful on the apple products so it doesn't surprise me once you know that it doesn't surprise me now. No one said they trust coca cola dated what some percent seven percents And we kind of thought on that full the question we asked ourselves. Why would anybody pick coca cola because what coca-cola have about a consumer because when you go to the grocery store or you go to a vending machine. You're getting that beverage. But there's no association for example with that transaction and the vendor per se. So i i can't imagine where we were at. It's not a stretch. Fori a person to know facebook as a lot of information or google. Because they need that information to to deliver the service. Coca-cola they just need to make sure that they have their beverage at that place. I wanna buy at any given moment. And if they but if they have any any information on me i trust them with the i guess. Does the rest of these jokers trust. I tried to. They're more data that to build a good point. It's a fair point. Just it was it was. It was amazing. Well here's the thing next to apple. The most trusted company was costco. Although costco probably collects more information about a bite to eat and drink and yeah because they have that caused. You buy sometimes prescriptions. They say south gas everything so they probably have more information but it was surprising to me that with these other tech technology juggernauts on the list. That costco was second only to apple. As being the company would most trust to to keep their private information private and everybody in the middle most them did. They just operate on information. That's how they make money. Will you started with mary. Meeker and you know it's very interesting. She has for years done. These analyses of internet trends. This is someone who has been watching I the dot com boom and then the social media rise and then this explosion of information. It's fascinating to me. That she calls this a paradox. You know that wild. We're trying to keep all this pa- privacy. There's a whole huge sector of the world economy based on collecting all this data and essentially. We're giving away our privacy because we want the free stop there. We love free stuff we do. And i think that's that is gonna be the challenge for a while for us is like we the the the if we can enjoy these services an op to pay for them directly In it's funny. I honestly believe that. There's a generational play as well where people today who grew up accepting the fact that these companies are going to collect this data in order to deliver the services and they may at some point in their life. Make a conscious decision to kind of to tune back the amount of data sharing because the understand the the behaviors of these companies. That may be logical awkward. Matter of fact you've heard over the past couple of years where a lot of younger people in particular who move to different platforms. Because of some of the concerns they have about how the social media companies a bigger. Well more well known ones have been handling their data so i can be i. I agree with. Mary meeker sentiment. That privacy is a paradox that we're just gonna have to really work hard to find that right balance between enabling innovation and making sure that we can enjoy these goods and services as we'd expect and understand that we value the right for consumers to to keep that data in their control. Thanks for coming in. Gary always pleasure more pleasure thank you tick nation regular contributor. Gerry davis is the chief consumer security evangelist at mcafee. I'm more gun. You're listening to tech nation. The testing of a single drug for safety generates a mountain of scientific data. and for every drug that succeeds. There are eight drugs that fail altogether generating a veritable mountain range of scientific data. I as krishnan annan balan the ceo of inventing. A i what happens to all that failed data and is it worth anything many times for drugs for things that succeed because all the data makes it all the way through to the fda and It's accessible through. All the goeman side clinical trials a the publications that come out. It's accessible through pubmed. Deny the ncbi which goeman funded agency does a really good job of making these available on a very regular basis to anyone who wants to do it but for the drugs that fail. It is still hard to actually access the clinical trial data although the fda past glaciation. I don't know whether it was five to six years ago. That companies are supposed to deposit all data even of the fatal drugs and they do deposit it but it sits fda and it's not that easily accessible and the reason is that no one makes an effort to actually go and clean it up and make it accessible so but all is not lost. If tech savvy and norwood look you can always look at that but nothing happens without an origin. Right there's always an origin everything so something doesn't make it to clinical development without proving it's value in the lab in the university and even even then there is a gap between proving some concept that works on the lab bench to showing that it's worthwhile enough to invest money and time to see whether it can be converted into a drug so that's usually the photos translation industry that's all pre Trying to get the drug approved right. There's a whole lot of data before that. There's a whole lot of their that before that. And if you actually look at all the success stories on some of the failures. They have similar patterns. So all breakthroughs comes seemingly out of left field but actually no they they. Have you know the history kernel of all breakthrough all the way along the kind of that accretive people work on successful things. No one goes out of failure. So the sexist builds on success and eventually attracts the attention of You know The industry who are looking for solutions to treat diseases and then they ask the question. Can it be done. And that's when the translation happens translating a basic science a discovery or invention to an applied Solution in the clinic. We're even before to pill. Usually it's a drug in a either acquiesce. I mean either. Water soluble not in animal models. It's i tested to see whether it has the desired clinical effect and the most difficult task that you can show the model that something works right. So you're trying to. Let's say vicious resposible. My mother's anonymous patient that you're trying to cure alzheimer's you're looking to reverse dementia or something like that and maybe you're seeing. You have an animal model in new showing improvement in memory or something like that but the next thing is how do you take that observed phenomenon and translate it into the clinic and human trials so you need animal models that are similar to the human disease and this is the problem in alabama. There are no good animal models so every time we go to a clinic we had to make options that'd be sold as an animal model so this should work in human diseases. And if you think of neuropsychiatric diseases these are even harder. Because we don't understand the molecular nature of these diseases as much as in cancer or autoimmune diseases in by comparison right so come back to the data issue right. It's not that the data's not there. It's dead all different places in different forms. It's there as a regulatory submissions. It is there as published pure science. Papers it is there as data deposited In you know even accessible repositories It's there and proprietary databases and the five hundred strong biotech slash falmer community and like you said Success has many fathers failure and so when something fails people just forget about it and warned to the next and frequently. If you've ever had any experience and picking up somebody else's data you say well what's this column means. And what did you eliminate here. And did you round up and did around down and you took five measurements. Then you started taking six and did the data move over and if it's failures. She said it's like well that's in the that's in the rear view mirror. You're try if for you to have to go in and make sense of it and when you say clean it up is a nice way you really restructuring it and almost re verifying it make sure whatever data you do have is data right and it's right did right and this is where artificial intelligence really comes in handy So i'm not a computer scientist. I'm a my basic training and molecular biology and genetics. And i had came into the industry purely by accident I got recruited to create these lodge functional genomics screens. And i said okay. I'll try it out for a year round. Remember back indicating meal but having said that You know so you have all this data right. And you have patterns that match success and patterns that don't match successes okay. But this this a lot of value even in the failure. So there's there's an underlying Not just the data itself but there were other conclusions. You know why you failed. That's that equally important now. Because then you want repeat that mistake or it may have a partial success. That can be used in subsequent experiment so this kind of Analysis and interpretation is facilitated by machine learning. And our show indulgence. So you know if you take just the medical field. Almost five thousand people's get published daily daily. Yeah it's just impossible to know. Not all of them are of the same quality or no relevance but how do you know which one of the best one and if you actually. I'm gonna only journal articles and signs and sell. You wanna lose a lot because actually and those would be the highest rated if yes and those also tend to be the most flashy papers but not necessarily the most valuable in terms of the entire field or that are actually the the bricks of progress in any given line of inquiry right so you do need all of those individual articles And how do you. How do you read all that. And this is where machine learning on a additional drugs really comes in handy that you know train. The machine to analyze these papers or numerical data or clinical data can also be use journalists images for example histopathology in a A good example is now they're proven that areas Really good at analyzing mammograms. Better than but what i do. And here's a often spoken anecdote. There is a anecdote out there that Get your pathologist. Read the The slide before lunch macos a tired off lunch for sure. No one will argue that humans operate different at different hours of the day in different circumstances and computers the same twenty four seven every day. There's another aspect to so human intuition and experience. is compulsory. It's hard to replace that. But that intuition experience also lends bias and analysis expert tend to believe that they are the best in whatever they do and they may be for what establishing but they may not be something that's new and just breaking through right on the other hand if you take a purely mathematical approach And just a machine based approach. You are sacrificing the intuition and experience. So the the real path to success combining the two so use a and machine learning to increase the efficiency comprehensive less of the analysis. So you don't get tired. Reduce the bias and analysis so that it especially when you're gathering data sorting it organizing it. There's no bias in that but when it comes to interpretation and going to the next step. I don't think there's any machine that has a frontal cortex i have over your house so that makes a difference. We can make intuitive leaps. That i don't think machine can i mean i got fascinated by a because of stanley kubrick. Really how two thousand. I'm still waiting for god. Maybe how will be here very curious. I listened to. Wnyc is that they're running a couple of blogs are on programs on the impact of two thousand one space odyssey on science and space travel and everything. It's quite interesting that it has had so much of an impact completely and one of the things that it didn't really tell us although computers how is available the computer in two thousand one space odyssey We didn't see and we don't see the data behind it. We know in drug development now month after month year after year old. He's serious clinical trials but throughout all of this the the size of the data. How much data is out. There individually isn't even comprehensible. I can't really compare it to other data that we know around the world. There's a huge amount of data. There that is. There's not really a comparison. There isn't and is also one distinction people often when they talk about data think about volume and the size. The volume of data in medical field is not as much as say the financial field or the transaction. All the times actions right the going to billions zillions But the complexity in the medical field are probably two or three hours of magnitude than in any of the field. This is because you're looking at a composite picture it's not just one science You know you need. You need a play technology you need to understand. Pharmacology need to understand biology and then you understand clinical practice way being practiced today. Then he'd get all those in a way that it's okay for the fda or the enemy to approve right so you're going through it's comparable in other indices poll only in the second covers the aeronautics industry because there you can you can have no right even a single point like what boeing's google knowledge. Okay right so so the complexity of data's a very high but the good news today is that we have invested in making the data available available in different places and different forms. And so it's almost like you know the analogies Tan blind man trying to describe elephant by touching it at different places and they're gonna come up with a very different description right so you got to bring it all together. Make a composite picture Connect the dots and see where where are the intersections and then come up with a hypothesis now are you looking at in vinnie ai. To develop your own from all this data or are you looking to make it. Available to other companies we make it available to other companies so in many came out of a a parent company where we were doing everything. We were Developing an analytic analytical methods right Trying to analyze literature data molecular data clinical data Image data and ask the question. Can we come up with answers. Why struck failed or why that target is important and so on when we came up at We came up with some just to prove the point. The applied this approach for repositioning renovating whole drugs Because the the null hypothesis the starting hypothesis was that. Let's start with drugs that have gone to face to at least which means that they have proven safety and human beings. That's for the session. Phase one and phase. You're testing for first signs of efficacy human beings and most of the failure happen by face to right so we asking the question okay. Why did it fail. Because in the preclinical to before it entered clinical development people saw enough evidence to actually go and spend all this money to move into the clinic but then when we came to the clinic Do not behave the way we thought it would usually. The reason is that we do not know enough about the disease is lesser. Do with drug itself right so especially when it comes to chemical entities liza. Vel define your son. How metabolized by the body. But if they don't do the job that means that you probably used it for the wrong disease off the less optimal disease and you don't know enough about what else it can do right. And this is where it go back and reanalyze data available since the was tested right so you know the mechanism you know. It's molecular target. You know the organ that you supposedly targeted. What else about this drug. What else is about that biological pathway. That you had targeted is it connected to other diseases. Are there other things that you can go and look all that knowledge is being developed. Geus week attack about krishnan I hope you'll come back and see us again. We do that krishnan. None imbalan- is the ceo of inventing a more information is available at inventing a dot com. That's in veni. I am v. e. n. I in many a. I dot com for technician. I'm worried we're gone. Tech nation at its regular segment. Biotech nation are produced at the studios of fm in san francisco. Executive producer is matt gardner director of technical production is monte carlos and audio engineers include howard gelman seal muller and larry upton. Our theme music was composed by an knock treves. Edgar and robert powell with title creation provided by name lab inc of san francisco program. Information and internet audio is available on the web at tech nation dot com tech nation and biotech nation are productions of tech nation media. I'm paul land court miles.

france Gerry davis leo maher dr daniel craft stanford uk facebook paris liverpool poland albert camus Ninja joins daniel craft Krishnan nana bolland uman apple Shaq kkob nineteen year jakob's sopher
Fingerstyle Guitar, Online Success Part 2 of 2 (with Adam Rafferty) Ep055

Fret Buzz The Podcast

56:10 min | 1 year ago

Fingerstyle Guitar, Online Success Part 2 of 2 (with Adam Rafferty) Ep055

"Welcome back to another episode of Fret buzzed the podcast hi. I'm Aaron subject in every week together with my co host Joe mcmurray we talk the music whether that's building guitars for the past forty three years with Luthier Benneteau on episode forty seven and forty eight or talking with Dr Shawn Pursell about Jazz Guitar and Higher Education and episode thirty nine side or maybe it's basin jam bands with Randy Nicklaus or synthesizers and sampling with Paul data or if you are into Finger Style Guitar Checkout Episode Twenty Eight and twenty nine with Dustin Furlough we really don't stray away from anything here. We're pretty much all genres all instruments. We talk music so follow along subscribe if you like with that let's jump into part two with Adam. Rafferty on fretful does the podcast Maiden Guitar Mason Maiden and built in Australia but I only play one of them once back there really they play. They're really hot like they very very loud. Yeah what. What did you do that? Because did you get that guitar because that's what Tommy was playing. Tommy Emmanuel well Sorta Yeah I started with Taylor guitars my first videos of playing that Taylor fourteen I still I have I still have those and I have two of them and one of them sounds really good the other psycho Ken Taylor Taylor's like that. They're all kind of pretty good but if you're lucky you know one of them will just sound amazing but the pickups US pickups E._S. and they'll tell you know it's the best pickup in the world announced the guys it's just not happening and so I was still in New York and I went to Rudy's music which was which was kind of a of the new yeah they they only have a store now in Soho but they had one on on forty eighth street for awhile and I bought a bunch arch top guitars from him. I knew the guys there and and I know I'm thinking about getting a Mayton and the guy I can't remember his name Gordon Gordon from the Acoustic Room. He said you know there's this new company Coal Clark check them out. There are similar to maiden and maybe they'll give you. Maybe they'll give you a deal or maybe they'll do an endorsement so there were a few years I've played call Cock Guitars Co Clemens Yeah. They were pretty good but it was just that I don't even think the guy who I worked with is working for Coal Clark. I think they've had some personnel changes but there was a person in charge of like giving me <music>. A Guitar Guitar is like making guitar so like I don't Wanna I don't want anything bad about the company because like I think now guitars stellar and the people are really cool but this one particular guy I was dealing with. He just wasn't given me like a great guitar. It was always like well. We'll give you this demo model and then I'd play like there'd be a loose brace and something buzzing and be like that I need a smaller guitar dreadnought my shoulders hurting. I need like one of the little ones now we can't keep giving you guitars and I'd kind of role with them and then I got pissed. I was like dude. I'm not an eighteen year old asking daddy for graduation present. I'm on stage. Get My ass whip by Tommy Emmanuel manual like in Bangkok. He's like women me. I was like so you're going to step up to the plate and give me an axe or not and then it was like Homina Homina Homina acid. You know what just take it. It's cool. I'm I'm GonNa go by what I need so I bought the main guitars and and the guys for maintenance there the nicest guys in the world but they're hilarious. They contact me. They're like did you buy those guitars and I'm like well if you gave them to me wouldn't and you know that you had given them to me. Of course I bought them. You know I bought them and they said would you like to be a mate gnarliest. I said absolute and so I'm on their website and everything and I and I told them I said here's my deal. I said what me up with breath finding a replacement pickup for you know if something goes south on guitar just just hook it up and and I said I have to tell people the truth. If there's a situation where I'm gonNA play another guitar. I speak only the truth. It takes too much energy to not play the guitar that feels right or lie or do any of that you know Oh Jeez. I should play the guitar because the guys from the company see me and the truth it is. I know that guitar. That's my main one. That's like the tool that I've used now for ten years on stage. I know what to expect out of that guitar and it totally get my sound pretty much right away. On stage you know and it just behaves sounds good yeah humidity cracks you bring it to somebody glued up for answer all the need of Fred job. You know I mean it's got to put some work into but the guitar is it's totally cool and site. I do a similar setup on stage as many of the finger style guys. I got some pedals. Nothing fancy bitter river going to a A._R.. <unk> and I do D._I._A.. Out of the APP so that's my little monitor on stage the sound in the House I play thirty minutes. They <unk> not even thirty minutes the sound check the dial it in said we're good to go one of the main things that I found this personal I mean I do this thing where I no longer play with the phone pick. I talk about that quite a bit. 'cause I always have this feeling like I should which is totally stupid stupid because other guys can I should be able to do it but that was. That was a sticking point. It sound checks. It was so much screwing ran on and I realized I wasn't happy with what was going on here and and the minute I changed to like a nice fleshy Pau. I literally Plug Guitar. I play Motzkin Outta or isn't she. Lovely sound is there. The House will get my sound right so acoustically they are not the most awesome sounding guitars. I didn't record my last CD with it a recorded with a handmade. It's our with some nice minds but live tossing does does does the job and <hes> so when you asked me. Did Tommy saying anything I had my co Clark and I was on this Gig in Bangkok with Tommy. I mean I'm so nervous with Tommy Michael Fix Joe Robinson anyway it was it was a festival and so Tommy was in his hotel remains long gone but I was kind of hanging out with Michael Fix Joe Robinson and we were we were there. I said okay. Let's do shootout. Let's let's really here when these guitar sound like just with an APP and the maintenance at that time the maintenance to sound better plug him than than the coal clock right right there. We just tested I said okay. I'm I'm done with this now. I think it's comparable. We just had on <hes> Mark Benneteau of Benneteau guitars is on episodes is late forties episodes or Benedetto no bet manteaux but that's why Don Don Ross plays he's Canadian luthier. I got to play one of those reasonably and it was just it sounds so good so responsive compared to my. I love my Taylor but it's just not even the same. It's hardly comparable. I feel so I I have this like little conflict. It's not really a conflict right up the road for me. I I met a died. A FESTIVAL IN GERMANY TURNS OUT. He lives twelve minutes away from me. This awesome Genius Nylon String Guitar Building. I mean stuff. He builds is amazing any so he's I don't have it here. I give it back to him but I'm going to get back he he built like kind of a crossover nylon guitar cut away. Pick up and I'm going to your amazing but like I just don't play nylon string guitar and he can't understand like why is it so different you know and I'd like it's a totally different piece. I said we can weaken have a beer. We can hang. Let's let's let me help you with your website lists like his name is Daniels Kyle. He builds amazing stuff but it's just I'M DONNA NYLON string guide to they feel so we're the when you fuck the string like it's got so much more give you it just feels I feel so sloppy and the and the naked so much wider that's yeah and the thing is I if I play it for long enough. I can connex go. Wow I can really get into this warm jazzy thing then. I'm thinking it's is not enough bite for concert for the way play like I need a little bit of bite on the sound it would just be nice music but it would be too too much like cocktail hour released the way I play. I do love the sound sound a thing to classical guitar so than I do from time to time. Have you ever seen that video. There's a great video of Segovia and he like he's like talking about how it can sound unlike a cello violin depending on how you put the string where you look string in which string like Oh my God he's. What would that's how that's how you got? That's how you gotta think. It's totally how you got thank you I arrange. It's different version of that but yeah I could totally. I totally understand totally understand yeah. It's beautiful instrument sitting there. I just look getting better at it. Did you ever hear earl clue. Oh Yeah I'm very familiar with their oh clue yeah he's from Atlanta and he was done is one of the first solid jazz records ahead he planned in nylon pylon strain. Wish I grew up with wishful thinking great. I don't know if it was wishful. Thinking Something Midnight Guitar Late Night Late Night Guitar had ain't Misbehavin Solo yeah the that SORTA Kinda winning the I think that somewhere somewhere inside here in US yeah I am really curious as recently had a copyright lawyer on the show talk about while <unk> she's a trademark lawyer but we were just getting into the legalities surrounding the Internet in music and <hes> that episode should be out by the time this episode comes out that will be out but <hes> I'm interested as to what hurdles you've had to jump over in order to publish Sh- not only published on Youtube but cover songs but you know you've put out entire albums like I remember Michael. What how does that work? What are you can to separate questions albums and Youtube and there's a third one D._v._D.'s yeah laid on and there's a fourth one printing music right yeah like your website where you have none of the tabs written in but you're somehow allowed to show it on the well all screen mm-hmm? I'll explain everything I'll explain everything I don't. I don't know if I'm allowed to show them what on the screen here goes now. I'm only familiar with the laws in the states regarding CDs and Music Publishing. I'm not so familiar with how goes down in Europe and chances are if I put CDs. I'll just keep doing it. The way of John There is a website I can check it here called. I think it's called a song file song file dot com and that is was formerly formerly known as what's called the Harry Fox agency so to do cds you need to get what's called mechanical licenses and that that site song file has a lot of them not all of them but a lot of and so very often. They'll ask you if you fought. Let's say you find your your song on the song. You've done like maybe my Michael. The action record you know Billie Jean Okay and it says how long has your performance four minutes thirty four seconds how many C._D.'s you're GonNa make a thousand thousand and it does a calculation and you'd get a health. Chances are it's going to be about seventy bucks for for that that south something like that and so to do my record I remember Michael With all these Michael Jackson or Berry Gordy or the guy who wrote thrill. Who's the guy wrote thriller what's his name Rod Templeton so to do all those tunes tend to Kinda can figure this thing on science files you know pay it and you get mechanical licenses and then when you go to a C._d.? Pressing using place like decision-makers they say hey you need to you need to show us that you paid or that. You have the rights to to put a C._D.. With these songs at so you have to sort of somehow show them. I don't know what the current the thing is if you mail them the P._d._f.. Serve just check a box on in legally. If you go impress another thousand you should probably go back and pay for another another two thousand which I can't remember if I've done that. I'll get around to it if I have but you know like then if you're sort of not a Britney spears her or one of them you know few depressing thousands CDs P people are not so exact. They're not so on but that's called mechanical licenses now. I've had to go for tunes like summertime. I can't make you love me. The Chameleon by Herbie Hancock a <unk>. Maybe one other I had to Kinda go searching because they weren't on this site. Song file had to go somewhere in the launch of tune by Lonnie Smith signed to do a little digging and make sure that I paid people for the licenses so that was that now it got interesting. Okay Youtube Youtube is just I mean the way youtube was made. It was like like made to be the biggest copyright infringement platform you know like how could they just make it without the safeguards in place but they did and then most of the publishers somehow they got on board got some sort of agreement in they have their listening software so if I play tune by the Beatles sooner or later they're like little listening software will say oh you're playing attuned by the Beatles no problem. WE'RE GONNA run ads over in the Beatles are going to get thanks. I don't really need to deal with my hotel hotel. California was zapped off hotel. California is attuned. You can't do anything he thought before they took it down. I haven't honest I haven't on a secret hidden vinnie aside. I might just put it up on my website on a little blog page and put it in the title so Lisa Gets S._E._O.. And then people can come and see it but out of I don't even want to teach it on study with Adam. Because what did you learn you said cool. I WANNA put my videos on Youtube. Then everybody's screwed. It's just GONNA keep getting taken off off Youtube and so then the interesting thing was d._v._D.'s because in two thousand nine I got the permission to do the first I stevie wonder Finger Style D._v._d.. And have you seen those Joe of seen that they exist yeah so I haven't actually bought who who buys D._v._D.'s anymore. But I Made Actual D._v._D.'s little printed booklets and so to make a d._v._d.. Or some kind of standalone video with music and it you need what's called sink rights but to print the booklet you need. What's called print rights so I approached e._M._i.? At the time and this assure no problem Stephen Moore as I think they were like cool great you go ahead do it so easy and then I went to how winter was the print rights and how Leonard should cool you got the sink rights no problem unit pay us this much pass. This much paid all my stuff up front <unk> oppressive thousands of you know I'm I'm actually behind my cigarette royalty payments. That's another thing one of my many the invisible tasks of office work give a musician. I gotta do that and so I was like wow that was easy and then I did you know isn't she. Lovely and people went bonkers on that video as I said maybe I could do a second stevie wonder and so they said sure no problem uh-huh same thing. I just rolled out I did Second D._V._D.. And that was that was a really cool period of my life because it was actually way less intense work than the website now study with Adam. I just had this thing and I got a little shipping company Albany New York Ship Out D._V._D.'s people was very cool little mail order thing that I go on and I was playing my gigs tourists and then Billie Jean came along with the video and I said Oh man I love this. I'm GonNa do Michael Jackson D._V._D.. m I know what and then I said what about and I asked them several times that point they were Sony. No no Michael Jackson's real. I got some Beatles students here bills no so I got this and so now with the Michael Jackson I said well what about if I did some Jackson five songs that'll work like the tunes Berry Gordy and no because I had I'll be there and A._b.. I fleshed out with some of those Jackson five tunes and that was not really what I wanted to do I wanted I wanted do Billie Jean on a d._v._d.. Everybody wanted. I cut a sold on life hotcakes. I'm not sounding very musical right now. I'm sending more like business guy but I wanted to make that D._V._D.. And so it got tougher tougher and tougher to communicate in D._v._D.'s <unk>. This just isn't gonNA work. Maybe I'll Brazilian one must cannot girl from a few others no and so I didn't I didn't even go so far as is talking about the rights. Now what's interesting here now. This might sound arcane to everybody. Who's listening because you think d._V._D.? Everything's online now but the idea with sink writes the that. I heard this here say that this is what I heard is that you know they don't even want to deal with like a finger style guitar guy. Who's going to sell a few 35-dollar D._V._D.'s? They don't WanNa waste their time dealing with me. They WANNA be like with the next Jim Carey movie where he's dancing like a buffoon in a disco with Billie Jean playing and they're talking about like a zillion dollar deal like that's what they wanna Wanna be working on or Britney Spears covers. I Love Rock and roll by Joan Jett. Whatever you know that's those are the big things so that they didn't even get back to me on half and so now a lot of guitarist so that's the sink writes? A lot of guitarist online are making a huge mistake by printing tabs. I read everything about the you're not allowed to do. You're just not allowed to do it if you didn't compose composed the tune you can't sell your arrangement of like my tablet Shire's that go with stevie wonder tabs. They had to turn it around in such a way. They said well. You're going to fill out a W. Oh you nine. You'RE GONNA be employed by stevie wonder to write tabs. He owns them but you have the right to sell them so it had to be this twisted thing for a tall legally elite lay right you can't even though I have tabs on my computer of you know things the workshops but and here's the thing way they said the the movie companies they don't WanNa deal with small little fish plus. They're going youtube every the print companies have been so slow to get on board that they go out of their way to penalize people legally and financially essentially who are selling Tabah Cher's. That's who you have to worry about. They'll come after I've had pretty well-known finger style. Guys come to be right me an email Adam. I don't know what to do. I'm in a panic. I make my living selling tabs off my website now. The publishers told me I have to take everything down. I have to pay a penalty. I don't know what I'm going to do. I might have to go working at starbucks. I'm talking about like famous guys and they say a you must know about this. I say I didn't get an F. Business. That's dangerous business you cannot sell you can't even give them away for free. It's not it's really messed up and it's it's basically because they they just didn't get onboard. They wanted to hold out for so long and say no. We're going to insist that people pay for the the Music Book at the music store and they just were unrealistic. It's like the dudes we're in the world of like everybody can make a p._d._f.. Uploaded to sharing site and to guitar pro file like you're just holding to your arcane way of doing things so so that's different right the prince of the print rights cigarettes are video mechanical rights and basically I've taken a little bit of a gamble with my school and I maybe I shouldn't say this publicly but here goes I'll say it. I don't sell any individual instruction. I don't sell instruction to Billie Jean. I sell a membership you can come into my school and the publishers might go. Will that really doesn't hold a whole lot of water and also well if legally if I have to take Billie Jean off I'll take it off and the school can still stand and that's not a standalone thing and then the publishers I've even had some publishers. Come to me and say well you know why don't you book for a so that you can do legally and I said well actually. I don't give any tabs away from my sight so the print guys I keep them out of the conversation for sation and I'm probably too small fish to fry although it could be that it's not one hundred percent kosher. It really could be an if I think about it. Sometimes it keeps me up at night and they might not stay up there. Forever to cover tunes. Just might not stay up there for. I don't know sounds like that. You got call now in the next five hours and get your Nova go onto Adam citing no run no. I'm promoting you yeah. That sounds funny like Ac now before right yeah so so yeah. I don't know where that's all heading and I don't think accompany as big as like true fire or somebody would take a chance that I'm taking I might be doing something really stupid and honestly my plans for the future to less cover songs and more originals Kinda like how I have to do stuff. I don't know blues or or how to Solo on changes techniques I'd like to I'd like to build up a repertoire of lessons. That can't be taken away from me the so until now it's worth but it Kinda freaks me out if I five too much time alone and I started spooky myself thinking about but I'm only shown videos and we'll see we'll see I mean nobody's coming said you'd have to take those videos down. I would tell them. I'm only show people wear their fingers. I'd have to you see where discussion will go from there but I did that. Basically the whole the idea of study with Adam was on the germ of it was me not getting the rights to the Billie Jean D._v._d.. Said <hes> how people want this lesson. Can I get it out there now without giving it away on Youtube for totally free which some people just give away for free. I didn't WanNa do that. That's the that's the the best explanation of this stuff of have received how good good yeah I was really wanted. 'cause yeah every video you put up. You know it's obvious I have anybody watching like here's my sunny study sheet and I had to write in everything myself right right right sups. That was yeah. That was an idea from you know a clever clever guy who had invited me for a concert in German he says man. People want to print stuff out. Just do a blank sheet. Let them right it in Oh man who actually think it it's useful because the act of writing it I think I digest it better. Actually kind of I have my own weight of writing addicted clear to me what I'm doing. You know sometimes I'll read things a little differently than your regular tab and sometimes I like to highlight or I have the system of <hes> intangible put roots roots in squares. I'll put thirds in diamonds bits in circles and seven sin a little triangle do stuff like that to help me understand like what the met where the different cordons are in the tab because it's you know it's not as clear as trouble cliff staff in general routes. That's that's cool great yes so I that seems to work very well and by the way if if a company helped me at gunpoint said you have to take your lessons off off off our site I would either give it the whole thing for free on youtube or doing optin give less than number one away for free and then have some have the mopped in get the rest of lesson died still utilize that <hes> yeah. I have no idea where that's going. I mean it's not it's not a hundred percent kosher as I said not not to totally derail what you were saying about your roots thirds yeah it's. It's Mike it spook myself. I think about it. It's not one hundred percent in a totally right. You know it's Cadillac declaring expense design you taxes. That ain't really expenses. You know it's like you get away with it will allow the edge to edge client meals is that's one of the weirdest to me. The way declared business expense but a drink for a client or food for the client weirds man. I guess the only other question that I had is how you started and guitar. Oh have you played any other instruments or was it like do you remember getting your First Guitar Tar and how that whole like because I was looking for that on your on your website but I I didn't get any internal in terms of like how you became to be within an as you explain it on your on your website site bef versus af before fingers after yes so how did in terms of before the whole New York thing thing in you laying out how how did you get because I know there's a lot of our listeners. They're starting out and probably wondering how you got into the whole thing. In the first place. Okay my dad ad was pretty good guitar player and strumming some finger-picking and singer any of this big old Martin de Twenty and men. I've owned that guitar from time to time in the NEO was wants lots of back. It's gone back and forth <hes> and I can remember being two three year two three four years old and him opening the case in this thing just seem bigger than life because this little guy and then the St Twenty eight so the big and just the smell of would the plush blue velvet and the case and just you know him destroying that thing and the sound just hitting me and singing my dad's pretty good singer you know he's like the his he's Irish while he's not from Ireland but his grandparents were and so there's that sort of real. There's this Irish thing when Irish people saying in tune. It's got lyricism to it. That's it's just that thing you know. It's somehow it goes really goes to the heart and so he was he's about eighty nine. He's GonNa be eighty soon so he was like in the sixties assignment Garfunkel Eh Beatles a little bit of buddy holly and and it just hit me and I just said I wanNA play guitar who was just always and then I had little plastic toy guitars and you know age five live guitar lessons from great player named Woody Man. I don't know if you've heard of what he made in but if you man with two ends look them up he's on Stephan Grossman's D._v._D.'s CDs and he's like he's a Solo Blues Acoustic Guy Sang's also he he could play jazz. I think he even played clarinet et juilliard but he got really into Reverend Gerry Davis in these like old they sound like older blue skies but they were around in the in the fifties sixties and seventies but their style here you think it's from further back so it's kind of happening happening alongside the same time miles Davis John Colquhoun but Reverend Gerry Davis and guys like that and so I started with the great teaching and I learned cords to Beatles songs songs and he would bring in these little tablets of finger picking kind of blues things and I think at the time he was like learning from Reverend Gary Davis or maybe just a few years before and I loved going one of my lessons with him and I I studied with him from age five to age eleven straight. I mean every week going on the lessons and then he he was a very gentle teacher in work on a little bit of improvising show Sean Hannity Show you a major seven of course when you play the student plant major seven sort of pushing me a little bit into jazzy direction and then so that's how I started that's started started and then I kinda did a typical semi typical trajectory that a lot of guitar players do gone into rock and roll that electric guitar figured out Zeppelin stuff by ear wasn't taking lessons because I didn't really know how can anybody teach me this stuff anyways picking Solos off records jamming with my friends and then did that for a couple of years and then comes Geez. You know this is kinda going nowhere. Ah I got somewhere but now it's going nowhere again so I went for some classical guitar lessons and that was the rudest awakening that had to be. I mean from going with any kind of hand position. You want to teach you're putting putting you in the right position and having to read music. Oh my God that was like going to the dentist without anesthesia. You know it was just horrible but I wanted to do it and I love my classical. Guitar teacher really loved that Guy and I did that night. I went to a got into music college. I was never a great classical guitarist. I've learned a lot from it. I got some sort of concept in hand position position and I did one year suny purchase which was the name of the College State University of New York in the classical guitar department and it was just a bad it was just a dad fifth breath like it was so clicky and I just didn't get along with the teacher and some of the guys there were really talented classical guys and I was like this blues rock funk something heading heading to jazz kinda guy who was doing classical guitar but like I enjoyed classical guitar in this sort of little bubble like wow I really liked listening to John Williams play off but for me to do at twenty four seven was right and then I quit and I kim composition major and then life took a total left turn my best friend and I accidentally formed a hip hop group. I was a rapper. I quit playing guitar for a few years because I was totally confused. What happened was we're in a band rehearsal? We were goofing on wrapping. He was beat boxing. I was goofing on wrapping before you know everybody's playing everybody. Else's instruments goofing around and the got a little pop band in college and bandleader later said you guys sound awesome. Why don't you get really get one tune together and do it on the GIG? We're like really at so we did it and what happens it. It was like something from a movie everybody loves US and is just not really into the band and the chicks in the attention and it was the whole talk man of you heard these guys and it caught fire it just it caught fire one to institute to to charge a three and then we quit the band hired all the guys back because they weren't enough musicians at school. Only we were in charge and that went on for a couple of years and so like now when I do the beat boxing in the stage stuff that was kind of informed from all those experiences and that was a wild experience. I mean that we did we did a lot of crazy stuff. We did a lot of crazy shows and crazy areas in the main it was it was is right around the same time that the Beastie boys came out but we were we were live and my friend is a killer drummer in we we had abandoned Zeus cool. Was that your fulltime job no I I was in college. I was about a team eighteen nineteen eighteen nineteen years old for that period and I was really inbetween having a weird inbetween phase with guitar which oddly enough I'm kind of feeling like I'm a little strange limbo. Oh now similar like not sure what's coming next so and then so I had this was this Dr Jekyll Mister High. I had this thing and I was getting lots of showered with attention. The girls girls loved it and it was cool. We've record and have a good time. It was his thing that was running in the musician. Meeting was just dying for some real music. I shouldn't say real music dine for some musical melody in Klang and county jails and that's what I found my teacher Mike Longo who ended up being like the super heavyweight teacher of my life a lot of which I'm trying to teach the concepts to to you guys on site and at one point he he he put it to me said man. I don't have enough time for people who were full of crap man. You gotta decide like either. You're playing jazz and that's your thing or get lost because he wanted you wanted to put the fire in a man so I quit the band with my friend and it was terrible divorced best friend and he is a great house music band now. They're they're doing great. They too are all over the place and if if worlds collide properly take my telly out I play Rhythm Guitar with them incognito. You know very cool yeah yeah. It's fun just slip into my like Nile Rodgers kind of kind of thing. I don't really put that on my schedule but that's SORTA I get to connect with him and do something a little different <hes> which is crazy 'cause. We're both New York guys but now that I'm here he'll sing and I have a gig in Hamburg. Can you make it's like cou ever thought you know your friend from when you're a teenager you're GONNA be meeting in Europe somewhere so yeah. That's that the the past it's this I would say I I have very much this pendulum swing between a more show Biz kind of thing and then a yearning for deep musical thing and I'm kind of swing and back towards wanting a deep deep musical thing but unfortunately show Biz stuff works with the audience the Beatles Medley works superstition works. You know it functions you get the people and if you go man I'm going to improvise some obscure jazz thing. It's like spinal tap at the at the at the great adventure whether play jazz no one's listening unites also but yet started with my dad playing guitar cool very cool. Thank you yeah that's awesome <unk> so many people have have such a similar story about go in rock warning something a bit more whether whether it's challenging or more formal and they go either jazz classical in then you intend people tend to swing back. You know where I'm at two I still make time to play to practice jazz specifically but I I need all the different types of music yeah and I realized I I don't listen to enough enough music. That's we thing because I just get so. I have spotify fired up enough. I get so overwhelmed with all the ads on Youtube. I don't Wanna see everything I don't WanNa look in the river mirrored and see stuff. I've looked look. I want to find some stuff that I I must listen to more music because I'm always happier when it was music always much happier ones because if I just get into my lessons and hearing myself practice all the time. It gets pretty dingy does I I use a listening guide with my students and everybody has to listen to it kind of on a whim what I picked but I'll base it on student seem to have liked. It didn't I'll try to guide them in that direction in cool boundaries but I try to make all my students listen in the same way a lot of times. They'll like you heard this and I'm like never heard it but already down listen at home added to the added the list if I like it in the idols I look at the ultrasound jazz fest in New Orleans in <hes> end of April and I just like I'm still going through the schedule all the people that didn't see in the people I saw and I just go and listen to some songs if it's something in my like excellent excellent physicality Oh yeah it's so easy to get you just type it in. You know whatever your music player is or Youtube and you can meeting here. We're going to go see snarky puppy next the and a couple of weeks. They're they're planning nearby and my girlfriend's. She's not a professional musician but she's like inner balance. She's musician. She plays piano <unk> good and and I said come on to a check these guys out you know like good alive. Show and just go bananas. We're GONNA check and there's a couple <unk> big outdoor festivals here nearby. I got to see deep purple years ago. Steve Morris plans great. I got to see Stang last summer grip. You know these the Professional Uber Professional Season Season Rock Guys Stang Paul McCartney that level the purple what they're so great when you see them live there just so great win. See them live. They really you know they're not. They're not famous for no reason you know just staying singing perfectly into and now that I never really thought about it you watch him singing. These police songs with these toll crazy reggae baselines go. He had to practice that the spirits in the material world that that verse impotent Peduto like that any singing right over the top of the smoothie self now down there and songs one after another great songs. I never thought I was sustained thing I mean. I was like one song after us. Yeah I really want to see rush of been that was that was the first live concert ever went to a fifteen years old awesome APPs cool. We'll we'll eardrums to Phil's and Tom Sawyer Mark. Have you seen that the new documentary that's out on Netflix about rush but I saw a previous one where Neil was talking a lot. What about his wife and kids dying? Maybe that's now on Netflix. I saw that same one. He does talk about that yeah yeah I got. I've been listening to rush like all week because of that because I've had to watch it. I've watched like fifteen minutes while eight and a bit they'd be talking about certain period in their career and I'd like okay I gotta go listen to this eighty stuff that have never heard from Rushton Day somehow. I didn't even realize that existed. They were killed and coping is my girlfriend. She really likes interesting music. You know I can play a to like Y Z for her and she'll just like rock out to it. You know seven eight Bam Bam Bam Bam. She'll go bananas. She'll go totally bananas like <unk> Nice Yeah. They were great. They were absolutely great. Yeah they were absolutely gate. Definitely needs a bucket list other cool while you're not going to see him anymore. They're done they're done. They're never gonNA come back now. Never come back neal's done neal is done of change some day touring hard work man yeah you know when when I'm home it's like a plane on the ground. When I'm on tour it's like the plane is at cruising altitude but always getting up to cruising out the to its toll change of of lifestyle you you know it's it's an I've never of course toured on the level of somebody like Russians hard work time zones everything logistics? How do you do practice lot? While you're touring demanding music. I mean you can't really got to be very a on top of it to be able to go out and perform so it's not like plan rhythm guitars something or even general you can kind of fudge the it's not as precise as low as well. You know something in my play in changed over the last couple years I I sorta got this mental picture if I do practice a lot when I'm on tour because I want to be first of all I have the downtime. I'm alone. I could practice on the train. It's quiet practice in the hotel. Mike Mike Guitars now guitar and I know that my number one job is to be onstage that night into a great show. There's nothing else like email is secondary everything else a second my number one job. Is that whereas when I'm home there's like we're doing podcast now. You might have this you modern fatter <unk>. There can be several things going on so when when I'm on tour that that's a big difference mental that I've gotTA kill it on on stage so there's food different orientation then I several years that I played finger style. I felt like I had to practice practice for hours and hours and hours to get my chops up and and get everything cook in writing in to get everything to Hook up in. I sort of said to myself. I said you know this. I can't sustain sustain this way of play. It's it's not sustainable. I WanNa be like old like a drummer or a bass player who can just pick up their instrument and play. I don't WanNa be like the guitar player who has to get his chops nearly cooking before he plays you know what I mean. <hes> absolute like a drummer. Could you say man cool. Let's plan. He just starts playing and I said I want my playing to be more like that and so I had to Kinda change some things around technically so that I would find the most reliable angles and ways of the arrangement and muting of strings so now my concert concert repertoire the stuff that I played a lot over and over and over again and I recently had to Kinda. I always have to be on top of superstition like what's what's happening with that one <hes> particularly when there's base runs because if you're not using any picture fingernails you it can be very thumping you need the clarity and that's that's tricky but you don't want to tighten up when you when you play but I I don't want it to be that I have to practice on teen hours a day to be able to play. I I struggle with that now. I feel like I have a show tomorrow with a jazz duo and like I need to run every song at least in the week leading up to it gets a lot of work when that's one of the shows I'm doing and I had two totally different. Sets the past few days or yeah you differ next week. It's I feel like I'm just but I feel like I'm going to get over that Hump like I've gotten over that hunt with a lot of my older repertoire finger style and newer jazz repertoire I still have to that's just a question of doing it enough silly. I WANNA make sure remember the changes. That's that's a question of doing enough. Just has to be saved so you're not thinking about it and then it's in your body if I if I go to play jazz standard like all the things you are. It's it's in the cells of my body. I'm not thinking muscle memory. Yeah Yeah Yeah Cool. Just don't have that. That's not my upbringing. I was picked guy. I didn't he to picking until recently me two years me too. I mean I did classical but I mean I play. I didn't play anything when my fingers and I was only doing flat pack I did. I did hybrid picking a lot but jazz standards but now it's like on the Acoustic Guitar as soon as they use the pick. It sounds horrible like it's tanny sounding compared no right especially when I'm in like play Angelina from timing like that's one of the few plot you know pick songs ADO acoustically <unk> like I have to like rework my entire E. Q. on my Gordon everything. I know I know he that's why when I was saying stop playing with the thumb pick I just started going with the fingers because I get the sound. It might not have the bite in the excitement but I I don't have that that sounded God. You just have to find a way that works for you. I mean it sounds so cliche you know but all I can say as a tried other people solutions in just doesn't work. It just doesn't work. He got it because you're wired. Were all wired with this lifetime of experiences and influences. That's it's a unique combination. You'll never arrive at the same conclusion somebody else now. Do I mean some drummer solvent stick like this. I don't know what they do like this. Thing in other guys are like this and find what works for you. Must you Neil pert you do both style it was I did a Gig with a group the other day. I'm trying to get a little bluesy Bogu band off the ground I don't. I don't know if it's GonNa get off the ground last week and after years I mean years of picking where I held the pick like this. It didn't feel right. I started holding it like this. George Benson Patent Athena curled up in the other no idea why that it feels right now. It's weird you know because I guess it's informed by the finger style like I'm like I hear the truth now with a clean guitar sound. I'm not trying to cover it up. I'm not trying to roll the trouble off. What is the truth of of what's happened reoriented me? I don't know if that makes any sense meaning. What's really happening with the sound here when the pick hitting strandings yeah I mean Tommy he can get the warmest softest sound from trump tip? You can strub. He has such control with that tool and best concert is when you're hanging with the backstage and he's just running tunes one after the other three feet away from it's warm it's punchy it's lawless. It's it's it's like classical guitar go. He's got his hands inside. How's he doing? These are Patios like so. Oh clear this fast finish just genius that stuff. He's a thank you very much out him. That's it's been apologize thank you. I really appreciate it. Thank you so much. That's just cool. I hope I hope people hang with conversations yeah. This has been wonderful and I've I've been watching your videos for like towers our so like it's funny to actually be talking to you. I feel like I have talked to you excellent X.. We're one of the on a plug your website again. Yes certainly <hes> out of RAFFERTY DOT COM. That's like sort of log and you know every musician has their their website and people can go there and download all kinds of free goodies and you'll see when you go to the front page. I don't do a whole lot of like Oh. I'm so great and I'm on tour I just I just want people to grab the little free blue savage around uh-huh if they go to the lessons page there's all kinds of stuff there three three except they gotta give me email address right right and then studied without him is site where I have the many more videos where you're you're on a joke where you can learn gene and all these tunes step-by-step and students can upload videos to me and I give a personal video review once a month which is a lot a lot of work but I really try to make a real teaching site not only a net flicks styled so there's a netflix portion but then there's a real communication portion where I get to see students play right so that study with Adam dot com and there's a free trial. There was excellent l. on the PODCAST podcast. It's just the finger style it's.

Youtube Adam Billie Jean New York Tommy Michael Jackson D._v._D. Tommy Michael Ken Taylor Taylor Netflix US Bangkok Tommy Emmanuel stevie Europe Beatles Luthier Benneteau Paul McCartney Britney Spears Gordon Gordon
#177 Friday Photowalk: Wild horses and dirty boots

Photography Daily

34:53 min | 4 months ago

#177 Friday Photowalk: Wild horses and dirty boots

"I have Walked from one end of snow is more common right. The other it would appear not excellent with wild roaming hulce's but I'm in the part where i'm supposed to find. The wild roaming horses probably spelled out by the fact that i've seen what wild roaming horses leave behind. i think i'm pretty close. Not very good though with wild roaming horses so this could be an hour breath. Running away Photo walk the ability to travel has been curtailed by the by the rumor in this era that police are more likely to stop an ascii. Where you're going in your car. I don't know of course the the two or three traffic cops i've only ever seen in this county is going to be fairly busy but imagine but then i did get stopped by the only on duty one once. I'm sure in the whole county on the sunday evening coming back from a wedding. That's the story. I should tell you. Anyway it's a squelch. She one welcome to the friday photography. Dany the friday faces walk. It's the only as far as i have. Found regular photo will show in. The polk costs fear. Just us and out cameras smells more coming today. A country park that we visited before dry heath birch woods the five thousand year old lamp peaked. It's very bulky. The military depot during world war two though now a ramblers paradise particularly during lockdown home to wild ponies. Never sure after a recent interview whether i should use the work who also honing. But i do know that the science say don't feed and don't pet. But i am going in search. It's the show of the week where i take your thoughts about photography on a photo walk in the idea is that you go for your own photo with me. Same time and hopefully you'll send me some of those pictures from you. Thanks to our friends at. Mpp dot com the number one people thinking of buying used or selling your kids or trading in the states in europe. I'm currently on the lookout for another used. X pro one to go with the one that i use here on my walks and of course they're being two models that Follow it. It's a very attractive proposition. Pb dot com so it is joining it up with a wide angle vintage piece of glass and i will be made 'em pb dot com are linked to them on the show page. As i will the websites that i talk about today and the pages santan shall we walk. Shall we start. I suppose really. I should start with that story about the the traffic cop shouldn't i. Yeah otherwise a lonely be thinking. What's nil done. Masa story about being chased by police. How the the great train robbery It's not a great war story. But i was coming home from a wedding was a beautiful summer evening coming home to box from gloucestershire of you know the geography of of the uk. All of england you know. That's not really that far. It was about nineteen minutes. Nine hundred the most. I'm sure and Another folk here left all right. Go out one. Looks proper churned up by horses. I must be close to the horses. That is anyway. I was coming back and Hang on cars going. Be really unhappy this week. This is proper squelch and he has sunday night. I was looking forward to getting home a little bit earlier. From a wedding unusual weddings weddings and Yeah i i think my my right foot. Because i was thinking i'll get home in time to read the boys story. I think my right foot was a little bit more eager on the gas. Otherwise should be. That's my excuse anyway. And i saw my rear view mirror very plain looking car the always playing out cups and has sort of navy blue collar. I think from memory and sure enough. The blue lights came on. He pulled me over and her proper straight world. We now my dad always said to me son of you ever do get stopped not know that he was an expert in this or stop to lots but he said Always always respect the The copper make sure you get out and apologize. That'd be wasting in some kind of nonchalant manner wanting to be approached. Get out say ob. So sorry officer on. Do you know what it's me. i'm in the wrong. And he was absolutely right because that particular day the couple looks at many. He just asked me where we had a long conversation about. Weddings thought for my. When i was going to i was going to be able to sell him a A wedding i thought you not getting married a. That'd be a sort of stroke of luck. Now it's funny because the i think the beans couple. Tom's drive in career and Maybe the the other time before that was by was by the brother of somebody's wedding shot. Anyway that's another story. turns out though. This couple was part of the royal detail. He was actually looking after prince. William and. Kate wasn't really in the mood to be issuing speeding. Tickets so Yeah a lot was with me that day did sell them a wedding though. That's a shame right away this way. I don't wanna bride. I want meet the walls goals. This isn't the point of come out looking for the wild horses going to brian away anyway. Here's one from For noah mahane to start the show proper. Hello neil were in lockdown again though. The vaccination program here is rising from israel. Looks like it's going to be ramped up. Real seem hoping upon hopes for life to get some sort of normality back again. I've missed the the street traits Should which keeps me happy as my day jobs in pharmaceutical retail. You worry about photo walking. Try this. We've had to live with autism not going beyond a thousand meters from our home. Always a silver cloud has saying. I've spent the time photographing my family has. Here's a pool traits that That i didn't do before. I missed the first and second lockdown really photographic lisa come the third and was ready one portrayed every day i say a word and they react to that word that i say i think i found a wonderful way to work with people again on the street when i come out of this all the best know. What a great idea. So you say word. I suppose it can be a funny word or maybe a word that sam encourages some sort of a motive response. And you'd say the the first picture that some the comes as they as they express following whatever mood they have fallen. What whatever word you say. It's a very good idea tempted to try that myself. Footrace no sure it would work commercially. Thanks for your feel mail. Appreciate it trying to step around some of the some of the worst mud here nail one week moaning about the cold. The next next week through the mud can one. Do you go those good low boots. I should be able to withstand anything. Yes they can. actually. I'm very wrapped up very warm today so Yeah and i did offer some new gloves from a suggestion. That was made But they haven't arrived yet so that was a bit more bogie than i thought so. I'm looking forward to having those they have. Actually your special. He'll trigger fingers fuel. Ram feel shutter his shutter finger shutter button fingers. They have removable ends to the The gloves so that you can with them often and operate the camera. I thought was a really good idea. Anyway here's one from our good friends. E shan com. we haven't featured eufor forever sie schon. So it's about time twenty twenty one plans. Yes it's the last few 2021 plan e mouse i think we've we've lost. We've eventually made our way through them so Sie schon you're i think you're the penultimate i'm embarking on lamb vicious project as well as turning semi professional. I know we hate that. So but i don't really want to give up the day job. I don't think we hate. What do we hate the term semi pro. Who talking about this. I think on the On this zoom the patriots zoom shot that we had last week. We set a challenge but equally. It's a a real opportunity. In fact we we run over apologized to everybody. Joined us an hour and a half we were. We were still chatting finding out about each other but we talked about the words that we used to describe self hobbyist amateur professional semi pro. I think there's a right so wrong. Really hear a photographer. I think that's what we established. Anyways shan says perhaps the day job will give up on me and i'll be forced to sell my photographs money. Who the heck knows in this day and age. You're right there two parts to this. Neil i my projects for twenty twenty one kind of obscure in the sense that i want to use day-to-day imagery or rather photographed. Portray the works. The poet mercer. Golly now i hope. I'm saying that right. I did look up on youtube because that's normally where i uh pronunciations documentaries and stuff. I think i'm right. Legendary do poet wrote about love and philosophy mysticism mysticism mysticism yes. Photography for me has always been about funding that deep meaning and making pictures. Because that's how. I express my artistic expression if i was a painter paint mystical scenes of old town. Damascus covered in fog at dusk where streets were full of chancer and deep discussions around poetry poets and prose writing. All that sounds luck. Wonderful well to me. In the background mom would hit cafe and street musicians playing while sipping on bitter arabic. Coffee i digress. Anyway focused see shan focus. I plan to use misty fog and bad weather conditions to dress up my photographs and soft dusk and dawn light. Are you city streets at all hours of the day and night to create sense of noir. Yet your you've definitely got the poetry going here. have any definitely the romanticism to this. I'll use my like monochrome cameras with similar cleanses to draw a painting photograph of about twenty five to thirty five images and present them in a slide. Show with couplet. Spy mercer gallup. All the sounds fantastic. He says but. I'm not sure i'll be able to pull it off as part two well simply plan to set up a shopping cart or my website. So prince sheduled streetfighter walks and things of that nature. Nothing ambitious but just something to give me a semi professional foothold in the world of photography. Hyping twenty twenty. One is a smashing year for assault cheers to us. Oh second you on. That cheers to us interested to hear us. Live from photographers. Who are selling their pitchers online. Is it a. Is it a good source of income. I mean clearly depends on the quality and all those those sort of factors but any thoughts generally on selling your work on line and whether this has worked for you. And i some say the most important thing is to make things so limited edition from the get go give it some sort of mysticism about with mysticism aren't we see shan creates emergency But yeah. I'd like to hear i. Nope that's There are many websites that i visit from people that have written into the show and i do see shopping carts with fine. Art works as cracking work as well. But it's through speaking to some Some photographers particularly landscape photographers. They say this is not really the thing that it once was. So i'd be intrigued and interested to hear from me right to me to the stadium address studio photography daily dot show studio at photography daily dot show. Of course you can go to the website where you'll find links to today show and he can email through the contact page as well. It's the friday photo walk. That's where i got a chance to to read the emails that you sent in about what you've heard on not always what you've heard sometimes well as we've been doing some of the plans do you have Twenty twenty one photographic plans and Yeah just to hear about what you're photographing. We'll get to one of those in a moment on monday by the way We have An interview about a picture that That i didn't spy originally it was it was my wife. Sam that the spotted this this image. It was a particularly potent image of Taken from a set actually of Of something that happened during the during the the capitol building do we call them. Riots now assaulter. I've seen it mentioned described in so many ways and of course next week is is the week isn't it is inauguration week and Yeah monday so. I've got a very special program featuring the photographer that took an image. That limi- did you hear that fezzan stove. Don't do that. Pheasant straight in front of me or was it a apart which i at night. Yes where where we. Yes special on monday gamma thoughts back in a moment prop studio neil can rescue me in a moment so i had a few things i wanted to say about that. One from mike miller dinner hill so on friday the the friday photo. Walk along with me To keep me company. While i spent four hours doing astro photography in a local historical church and graveyard done this twice before and at the same location. Moonlight interfered with With one image. And i was looking to obtain some meteor trails during the is it the per said's poseidon besides meteor shower. Hang on a second. Don't think it was just me. Spooked that bird now. These wild horses that are allowed to roam free like now. I'm not fantastic with hoses. He looks quite friendly. You see if i can. I'm going to pop my pocket. And see if i can in the patriots to crouch down a little bit getting a bit closer actually focal length on this twenty eight millimeter. I'm at So so miserable. Day is the winter is the moment at five. Hundred is so four hundred. Four hundred i say Fairly not too shallow depth of field. I want some. I want some depth so filled. Yeah let's see if we can get this. Hold on a minute in my pocket. Shutter speed is going to have to be valley low but a sixty don't just moved his head. Come on they'll look away. We go oh me move. The other way against are taught to be faced. It doesn't really seem that that interested Where were we. Oh yes with the the meteo shower. This page says mike. Which i i'll put in the in the show notes says always remember. You can look up the pictures that we talk about including the if it's good enough the patriot the horse just a moment ago. I'm going to share quite a lot this week. A lot. more of your pictures. Otherwise you're gonna be saying seeing the same place where i walk every single week journey pandemic anyway this picture. He says a star trial composite image of four hundred and twenty seven individual fifteen second photographs recorded over the course of two hours that had been stat together in in the star. Stacks is that right star. Stacks software program so the points of starlight blend together. Thank you on and wallace for that. Tibi says in brackets. I did a little light painting with a flashlight and cars passing by also contributed to the the lighting. The building of the gravestones. Is that what it is. Because that's fantastic. I was wondering how you illuminated the building. The lighter part of the image in bottom right hand corner is from the parking lot lights had to remove the airplane some individual photos that they didn't create a visual distraction. Hold imagine actually. If it weren't for lockdown. You had a daughter. He had a lot. More aircraft whitney. It took about four hours. Computer tonto it. And i had to explore the individual images overnight as that part takes about eight hours to perform. Well this is. A is a patient exercise. I'm glad that. I don't have to work so hard for every picture that i create what i was there by the way in an isolated graveyard in farm country on a cold friday night after dark said he what you've got more. Cahoon is the me three other calls separately park for about twenty minutes each. I think there might have been some yaba. Daba do going on. Or maybe they were. They were astro photographers. Come to check out what you are doing Have a great week. Besser guards might miller twenty minutes. Mike for those people in the car. Honestly i think even the bumper sticker now have an astro photographers do it with stamina amazing pitcher by the way. I'll put it on the website. Goatee photography daily dot show. Look up Today's episode and might million pictures going to be there so yeah let me come to my first tabuk selves rescue monday. We have american photojournalist racquel natalie. Tokyo on the show talking about a particular pick to that did go. Varo following the march on the capital. It's a photograph that press and television picked couple and depicts. This scene were possible was mason beaten during an altercation about the political party. She followed then a week to come where we hope any demonstrations that do occur compose peacefully to with racquel about that picture but equally about a work covering demonstrations on both sides of the so-called. Pont the differences the approach. She takes a kit bag unlike any other. That's monday bruti without wonderful patrons and of course. Mpp dot com for quality. Use gear inspected and graded and photographs. So that you know what you're buying. This is the friday photo book that jasser me to get to your questions in the shows or thoughts. And inspirations about this thing that we love and if you haven't contacted the show yet about your photography might this the week new matera about the work that you're doing and the thoughts you have following the shows too with a with a lot of imagination. This could be walking willow from harry potter neil. That's the second or third time. You mentioned harry potter in as many weeks. I know we're watching the. We're having a tease on laps. In front of the tell you the moments watching the whole the harry. Potter's let me get a photo of it. He's going to be a better color. Because of the The moss on it. Which is sort of a half the mosses creeping 'round enveloping. The trunk. Let me put my pocket. Let's see if we can get a picture this We now lights dipped to bit so i think i'm going to be wise to increase my eyesight to eight hundred. You no. i'm using the x pro one and Because i'm using of antigens having to manually focused. I'm using focus. Peaking very early focus peaking to do that. Which isn't isn't the best. Will i find it as good as the the stronger. Reds you get in and later camera bodies. I'm not sure about the shape. Let's have another go off to see in the edit. I went to look at my notes and there was another plans for twenty twenty one on a remember it because it featured Something about the the like monochrome camera and would you believe it. I'm in the middle of nowhere. And i haven't got my notes i may have to. I may have to do that as a photo walk for the first time. So you will feel special. Photo will peace in the studio. Yeah that might be the way i have to do that. the second rescue nets of the show. Come on sale now. This one was some lynn fraser. Plans for twenty twenty one. And i didn't want to miss it out because i had promised coast during this woke that we had two of these final plans for two thousand and twenty one from you. I recently have the loan of like a monochrome m ten for the week an absolutely love the process of using it not to mention the results and he started me thinking that i'd like to replicate that somehow the like his welby. Oh my means not prefer not to sell any organs so any suggestions as to what would be a possible. Acceptable substitute will be gratefully received as to a projects for twenty twenty one. The images i took with the like around the country estate where my workplace places located up prompted me to think that. There's a nice little photo type project. They're documenting what i see. Through the seasons. I mean lynn. You could do what i'm doing in terms of Black and white film simulation within the viewfinder shoot like that and of course you can change the black and white easily enough in post but and this is something that i talked about with my good buddy. Have mali's recently on that. Their other cast called the fuji cost But i did go back to do some more homework on this. And there are some benefits as kevin pointed out actually with a monochrome sensor and this is from mark. Scott albin knows his monochrome onions in black and white if ghost you get an increase in resolution of about twenty twenty two percent because of the bad array removal or in other words it'll give about the same effective resolution as a color camera with fifty percent. More pixels you also get an additional resolution increased due to processing changes for by not blurring the chroma channels because of color alias sensor sensitivity can increase two to three times as well and as i read mark say you'll have the cool factor of having a monochrome digital camera and your photos are automatically art all day indeed so there we go all the reasons for selling something very dear to you. I think there's always always remortgage. Isn't that right back for the last part of the photo walk since i managed to put myself in the middle of Of the woods. I can hear the cars Company that far away. I've done another one of my classic nail. We've got lost things. I'm making photos and talking to you. I i lose all sense of direction. Completely gone last couple of the week. i one from steve wella from art by design photography haenel. I thought i'd share one of my recent photos of taken on my daily walks. This show was taken on the x one hundred v whilst out walking with my dog in the brindamour valley in south. Wales said that the right way. I'm sure i have a beautiful valley by the way you're very lucky to have that on your doorstep Looking at walc she can take their son place. Isn't that the war. Takes you from the bottom of the valley through the forestry to the top of the mountain the missed the lights and sammy the dog in the right place. May this patrol come together. I'm also glad. I took this portrait mode because as you know his wedding photographers which you are one yes We tend to shoot landscape more than often but I'm trying to shoot more. Vertical shows these days to give myself a different composition. I'm glad i did this. One as it's one of my favorites now is being printed and framed and hung in our downstairs bathroom. You may say an odd place to put a picture but it seemed to fit in with my newly designed space fantastic. I'll be honest with you. After seeing this pitra drop stephen a man so have you got anymore steve. Because he sent me the picture that i've just mentioned which is great and you'll see that because i'm going to put that on the website today show pay so you can go look Do linked to his His website as well for of course but next to it was a picture of the the said. The said photograph framed hung in his downstairs. Bathroom not just With all the other fantastic photographs. I felt squeamish the right word. It's probably strong a word. But i felt a bit squeamish about having that alongside. He's wonderful picture. So i said steve. Could you send some other pictures that you taken in an portrait mode as well and He has so you'll see them But you're right about that. I don't shoot enough portrait. Orientated images and i find myself It fill it almost feels awkward. Started doing some more studio portrait work in my corner. Stadia corsicana as many people at the moment it's it's just it's just sam and the two boys i suppose is set up for self portrait. But that wouldn't be the same with it but Yeah shooting portrait to me. I find that Not uncomfortable not but a bit strange. Yeah strange is probably the right word. Can't quite get used to it and Yeah as far as as far as lose go well rebounded It is probably the best place to actually put your photographs. I think that's one of those places where where people stop. Lingering look for whatever reasons my in my office. The the bathroom has Has a a picture which was The the radio one twenty fifth anniversary present his picture and that that photograph was How can i say this removed. Yes one night fr from the building as we all. We all do party. There's another long story for another day but There was a It was clear out if you like who present us at some of us Some of us were less fortunate than others at that. Time and Is a political thing. Big bbc store at the time. Anyway and One of the one of my colleagues wanted that pizza so much so It was she. We say borrowed caught a famous patriot was borrowed then scanned and I now have is not the original. Don't think original. I now have that picture in the bathroom and the amount of people that Comment on it when well not these days clearly. Not for about a year now but Usually when when cards have been and they they go in then there was take a little bit longer in what is quite small room to be fair and then they come out and say that you. Yeah that was me with that photograph many years ago in a different industry you are in the same as gerry. davis was. Yeah we should have checked out with each other that day. Our friends in other parts of the world have no idea who. I'm talking about assist a private joke between us. Brits hagar the dane has come to my rescue with a nature recognition app. Yeah remember a couple of weeks ago. I was saying. I was lamenting the fact that nobody bought me my tree recognition book. That's what i wanted for christmas. Nothing else but high nail. This might help you since. You didn't get your book on trees for christmas so great app. I not list. It's an app as Haggard says that makes your ignorance about botany an inexhaustible resource for science. Isn't that a win win. Situation all that requires is leaves on the trees. So be patient. Yeah yeah. I didn't think about that. Of course yeah. There are no well. They're all on the floor. They've all been trampled. I'll not be able to use it just yet. But i did download it an actually. He can recognize other plants as well in evergreens and And i i went out and I started to use it. Wow loss it is amazing. Incredible app i was with a half an hour I dunno if cataloged every single plant in our garden but a come pretty close and But i did want to give it a test. My childish manner. I went inside. We still have the christmas tree up now. I know there will be some people. Say what neil. That's bad luck has to come down on twelfth night. But i don't know who these superstitions but we keeping it there until lockdown as ended. And we're allowed to do our annual special christmas meal that we have with our friends every year because we weren't allowed to do it because we went into lockdown so those sort of This the things that we used to used to do In peacetime want allowed anymore. so yeah so. What i did was what we decided to do. Rather was keep the christmas tree up with the lights on and when we've had that That christmas mill that we have every single year with a with our friends. Then it can come back down again. So i went inside with the app and photograph christmas tree. Now it's not a real one we We've got a plastic. One is near is ago thinking that we've we've done the right thing anyway. Look let's not get involved in that in that debate So i took a picture of the christmas tree and returned Returned album cepa. I saw its recognized the the christmas tree. But it hadn't actually that's classic onion. So i think what it had seen. Laws was the bauble But you know the ball looks like a classic mushroom fair dues anyway. Psc says this message is not intended to be offensive in any way Own i suppose you mean what my ignorance. I downloaded the app to myself. At the beginning of the pandemic offended more north until you're talking to a man against one hundred and one ball jokes to To download with every single youtube out load so no. I wasn't offended. Thank you very much for that. Suggestion via the app has fantastic ten out of ten eleven out of ten. This one goes to eleven am thinking. I'm i'm getting bachelor. This getting lost thing found the car problem. It's all lacob you may me. You're not getting him with those shoes. So about that boy is best. No because you haven't anyway let's S finishes we always do with a few thoughts few soundbites from our fantastic guests on the show. I think i believe that's a portrait is also self-portraits and i think i used to think that when to the portrait was only a portrait of the person but i think there are so many parameters where you have your fingerprint on it and i think i mean some of it is technical aesthetic preferences but most importantly. I think you'll press think. That's that's i think. The biggest lesson for me all odds to a collective photographic record of this particular time in our history in our history quite clearly is on president and he do a little jaded sometimes with thinking. I really want to go to twenty more. What is next year. Keep doing this and hit that wall a couple of times in the last few years but this is really re. It made me realize probably was taken a little bit for granted. An as well i want to be doing and i can't wait to being a huge learning curve for me over the last few years but i think she more important than the faith graphic skills at the being able to connect with people. They just have to come from within you. You're presented with us have set come. Sounds outside of your body but the pictures are made from inside you and they reflect how you feel how you respond to a given sponsors. I'll say have you ever done it before. Now it'd be ever published. No do you know how to design now. Do you have a community of people know. Do you have an email newsletter. No and i'm like you odds of you living off. The proceeds are pretty slim. But don't let that dissuade you in other words dream. Big baco monday with racquel photos story from washington where there's a big week of course coming up on a wednesday. The legend coming back to music photography anderson balancing. He grabbed the hip hop explosion in. New york was trusted by stars. Like alicia keys. An isaac hayes then stopped suddenly as it started burnout but now he's back tuesday and thursday. Of course they'll be more photography daily snapshot outings over on the patron channel. Music in the show was from the list. I oh and i look forward to photograph photographing with the hearing from you and talking with you on monday. Photography daily is a loading zone production.

hulce noah mahane Hello neil sie schon Sie schon mercer gallup patriots Dany Cahoon racquel natalie Varo jasser harry potter neil lynn fraser shan sam mike miller Scott albin Damascus
Fridays Houston Matters: Officers Fired Over Nicholas Chavez Shooting, And Back To School At UH (Sep. 11, 2020)

Houston Matters

54:16 min | 8 months ago

Fridays Houston Matters: Officers Fired Over Nicholas Chavez Shooting, And Back To School At UH (Sep. 11, 2020)

"This programming is brought to you by the near northwest management distract more information on the near Northwest Management District at n n m d dot Org live near grow near. Houston police chief are DASA Vado Thursday released body camera footage of a police shooting death from April and fired four police officers over their involvement. He says they could have shown better restraint the Houston Police Union disagrees as well here on today's Houston Matters, I'm Craig Cohen will recap reaction to the footage and the announcement of the officers being fired and then talk with officer Douglas Griffith from the Houston Police Officers Union also, this hour we check in on how classes are going so. Far. The University of Houston with provost Dr Paul Short then a history lover's guide to Houston. We remember September eleventh two, thousand one and I marked six months of hosting the show from home floss Luby's liquidates, and you have the chance to vote on the next inductees into the national toy hall of fame. Our non expert panel weighs in on those and other intriguing developments on this week's the good the bad and the ugly. We'll start with a news update from NPR stay with us. This is Houston matters I'm Craig Cohen. Good, morning. For Houston police officers have been fired over the deadly shooting of Nicholas Chavez Union leaders called the decision to fire the four, hundred, four officers unjust and deplorable will hear more from the police officers. Union had also how the fall semesters going so far at the University of Houston amid covid nineteen and later the good the bad and the ugly of the week I up though let's check in with news seven. Eddie, Robinson with some of what matters to Houston today covid nineteen related and otherwise Good Morning Eddie. Good Morning Craig heads filling little snuffle up August over here as have to stay watching the last night's T- Texans game but happy Friday to you. I couldn't quite understand Craig weather boos at the beginning of the game when both teams linked arms and what seemed to be a moment of unity in protest of the racism and social injustice. But at any rate, it was very odd but we begin our update with reaction from local officials to the release of body Cam footage from the police shooting of Nicholas Chavez. That you mentioned earlier, he was the twenty seven year old who was killed back in April when police shot him twenty one times four police officers have been fired from the department following investigation Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner, has concluded that he supports the actions of the officers attempts to subdue Chavez leading up to the shooting, but doesn't quite understand why there needed to be lethal. Force. Chavez was suffering from an apparent mental health crisis when officers were called will hear reaction from the Houston Police Officers Union coming up in just a moment. The investigation is now in the hands of the Harris County District Attorney's office as far as developments related to covert nineteen here locally. Craig fewer Texans are testing positive for the disease hospital capacity has been improving. Daily case growth and new hospitalizations declining but health experts continue to warn this virus is still very unpredictable. The threat of its spread is not over and the public should remain diligent with safety measures like distancing and wearing a facemask. They're also worried that an inconsistent number of people getting tested for covid nineteen and the current backlogs from testing labs have raised concerns over the. Reliability of state data on the virus, and then finally Craig. Longtime Houston Restaurant Tore Tony Vallone has died. He was seventy five and reportedly passed away from natural causes in his sleep vallone operated his Italian restaurant here in Houston for more than half a century vallone family will continue to run the restaurant which is closed until next Tuesday in his memory Greg. Eddie it's not just my lack of sleep. You did reference snuffle up earlier right? I did on from. That's kind of what makes her it's not me very, very descriptive, right? It is it's strange actually made perfect sense to me I. still don't entirely understand how or why. But that works Eddie Robinson. Thanks so much you gotTa have you weaken. If that's how little you value life. I don't need you in this department. That's the quote. That's what Houston police chief. Artas. Vado said Thursday about the four officers he fired who were linked to the deadly April police shooting. Of Nicholas Chavez the officers fired our Patrick Rubio Omar, Tapia? Luis Alvarado and Benjamin Leblanc Sergeant Leblanc had eleven years experience on the force the others two years or less they were. Let go after chief associated found the twenty one shots they fired at the twenty-seven-year-old Chavez at the end of a fourteen minute altercation back in April were not quote objectively. reasonable. Data says the officers should have backed off and de escalated the situation he said they had plenty of opportunity to back up to continue doing what they were doing. He said for them to stay the line and shoot a man twenty one times I cannot defend that oscillate comments came during a press conference. Thursday in which HP released body camera footage from the scene. His reaction was echoed by Houston mayor. Sylvester Turner is difficult to watch without questioning why the shooting happened in the end. Did Miss. The Shah. Says pose an immediate threat to any police officer. Are, to the General Public Mayor Turner says he concluded there was no deadly threat to any police officer. The incident started as a call of a suicidal armed man running through traffic, and it's clear from the body. Camera Video Chavez told officers multiple times to kill him. Houston City Council member Gerry Davis Tilt Houston public media he didn't think Chavez should have lost his life for quote grabbing a Taser Gun. Council member Robert Geigo said the shooting underscored the need for better mental health services in Houston, and that quote we should be sending more mental health professionals to a psychiatric crisis not just armed law enforcement officers joke. All the president of the Houston. Police Officers Union came to a different conclusion after seeing the police body camera footage noting that it was quote clear when viewing the video that these officers did not want to shoot Mr Chevette and did everything in their power not to commodity noted the city's independent police. Oversight Board unanimously agreed the shooting was justified Gamal. He called the decision to fire the officers quote unjust and deplorable. Senior police officer Douglas Griffith is the first vice president of the Houston Police Officers Union and joins us now officer Griffith. Thank you for talking with me. Officer. Griffith. Are you with us? Ok looks like we're having a little trouble getting. The officer on the line. I am being told that he just dropped off the line. Let's see if we can try and get him back. Once. Again, we are talking here. About this. Decision to fire four officers. Thursday the officers Patrick, Rubio Omar, Tapia, Luis, Alvarado, and Benjamin Leblanc. As I said Sergeant Block had eleven years experience on the force, the other two years or less. One of the officers with two years experience the others about a year's experience they were let go after chief Osservato found the the twenty one shots they fired at the twenty-seven-year-old Chavez at the end of a fourteen minute altercation were not quote objectively reasonable. That was the conclusion that Houston police chief Artas veto came to again. This is all related to the decision also yesterday by the Houston police. Department to release body, Cam footage and. Chief Osservato open fact looks like we now have. Our guest back on the line. So let's see officer. Griffeth or you with us. Yes sir. Yes. Sir, can you hear me? I can thank you for joining us Good Morning. What's your reaction to the body Cam footage that was released Thursday? Obviously anytime, we use force. It's not pretty it's just not and these officers out there. If you watched the entire video, you'll see they did everything within their power and training to. Try to get this to comply. He just wasn't GonNa have that. It does seem that there is sort of almost universal agreement that for. Many many minutes of this altercation for that long stretch of time fourteen almost fourteen minutes. It seems very clear that it just what you described if you watch the video. Of many many many attempts were made to try and get this gentleman to comply. I take it. You agree with your union president that in you review. Despite the fact that ultimately officers did shoot and kill him that they these four officers should not have been dismissed. And this is based on several different things. number one. This is the way the department trained them. If you watch the video, you'll see they lined up just as they were trained for an active shooter incident. Obviously this is not an active shooter incident. But you train for these high tense situations like this. It reverts back to the best ratings you have at this point. That's all they had three of these ulcers of only been on for a year. So they have not been involved in a bunch of high stress situations. So you're out there with a guy that's threatening you threatening himself. It's obviously structure drillings up everybody's yelling orders and telling you what to do, and then all the sudden you see that threat. You react to that threat. And then your second guess for the next. Six months to a year? Do, you think per council member, Geigo SES statement that if there had been someone on the scene psychologist or a mental health specialist someone who maybe is trained to communicate with Mr Chev other than officers with weapons drawn that do you think then it would have made a difference? Honestly in this situation. This guy had it in his mind what he's GonNa do and as much as he was in middle crisis he was also highly intoxicated under the influence of narcotic. People do not think rationally on that. Therefore someone going out there trying to. Talk to them in a different matter is still not gonNA help. It probably would have ended up with that person injured. What do you say to? HOUSTON. Vado Mayor Turner they agree that. The officers on the scene made many many many efforts to try and deescalate the situation try to get. Mr. Chev to comply, but they disagree that. that. Deadly force was necessary in the moment. What do you say in response to that? I'll put it like this. I've never been at chief so I don't know. What he has to deal with? In that same manner, he's never been a real police officer so he shouldn't be judging our guys going out there doing this job last time he set a patrol corn did the job was in California thirty plus years ago? Are. We asking too much of police officers under such circumstances to interpret when and how their lives may or may not be at risk and with weapons drawn to show restraint even as a suspect may demonstrate, aggression may have or reach for a weapon of some kind. It just depends on the situation. If officer shot every person they could. It would be all the time. Justified by law does not always mean is appropriate and our officers understand that Revi- human life above all. There's also the comes this job Oh. Let's go shoot somebody. Just doesn't happen. Nobody wants to hurt anyone that's not our job. But police work by its nature is ugly. That's why you pay us to go out there and make these tough decisions. Just all we're asking is that you support us. We Act in the way we are trained and allowed by law. Does that suggest then that may be part of the issue is just the way that officers are trained that maybe something there needs to change. Well again, just like I said, yesterday the press conference. We had no problem with this chief purchasing PR twenty, four BETIM. METAL BATON And spinning the might to train every officer to users BETIM. When in reality, you see somebody on the news beating someone with a stick. That's just it doesn't look good. It's not appropriate. You have other methods less work on those methods. He keeps talking about Tom, distance numbers, all this good stuff that we would love to be trained on but we have not. We have a caller on the line. Larry has a question or comment Larry go ahead. Okay I'll do all right. Thanks. Hey I would like to know. I keep hearing you say a retraining. You think it's the office. Lewis. Retrained not. Not The suit, the Keel, and if the taste of don't work, shoot him in the leg I keep hearing. You say that's the way they train house train the people seem to if the phasing on work. Would you like to? Joking I would like somebody kill your would you like that? Thank you. Thank you Larry for the comment your thoughts officer. Number One, my son would put himself in a position to get shot by law enforcement, but on top of that. That the issue is we do not shoot to kill. We. Are Not, trained to shoot to kill. We are shut trained to shoot center mass the largest object we can hit. If you've ever been in any kind of gun battle, any kind of situation. You can't target a certain area of the body you shoot for the biggest area and you go on. So. In the movies what what is the answer in circumstances like this and let me let me be specific about what I mean by circumstances like this, you have a suspect who you have officers around they have weapons drawn. The suspect is not complying repeatedly not complying it's it may be clear. It may not be clear that there could be some mental health issue at play here some sort of crisis taking place. What what is the intermediate? What are the steps in between? The tasers that we saw and then firing twenty one shots in a matter of seconds. Will they use the beanbag shotgun that we met on a bailable? Hit with somewhere around twelve rounds of that that also did not incapacitate him. The I'm telling you. The best thing we can do is train away which we can get these suspects in custody. We backed up so far that there was no other option. The only thing we could do is go past our patrol cars which. If they get in one of those then you've got another type of issues. A lot of times we shotguns in the bag they are fifteen We have all kinds of weapons that are really available. Should they be able to get into those cars? So we can't allow that either some point you have to draw a line and say, okay, we have the whole disliked. This in this particular incident, they can paint him in small area. The sergeant run around People Watch for crossfire do this do that? It's an unfortunate situation. But we didn't have I another example. They have these things called Bola wraps. It's a new technology supposed to shoot out something that wraps them up. And takes them now. We have forty those on his department. The only people have been trained with him so far those are the academy that we know. Have we had those that night they may help. There's other things out there that are being researched that that would help also to deal with this kind of situation, but we don't have that right now. So also rely strictly on their training and what they've been trained to that point. Let's go to Jimmy from west Houston Jimmy. What are your thoughts? Fog. Police chief officer Vado for firing. Those officers is totally wrong to shoot a man twenty with twenty one bullets. That's crazy. The police should know better than doing that and Have a bad habit of if he's doing exactly what they say they want to beat you up or shoot share they get rid of that attitude and. Help these people that are in distress. They could go over there and throw a net on the man or whatever are two or three up go there and handling with their bare hands or their gloves they don't need to shoot the man. And I. We want need all this shooting people in the back to stop all these chokehold stuff all these. warrantless. Break into people's homes to style read total reform of the police all over the country. All right. Thanks for the call in for the comment. Officer Griffiths any reaction to that. Yeah. First of all, the twenty one rounds understand that come walsers. The oldest ulcer, there was the sergeant. WHO fired two rounds? In that in that final incident in K. because he has been trained over the years he was attacked foster. They train bar two rounds, reassess reassess. These young guys haven't been through that. The only thing they've been through there's a academy training which you you shoot. Shoot shoot shoot shoot. It takes your brain one point two, five seconds to realize there is no longer a threat and stop what you're doing. In that amount of time, an officer can fire six rounds. The two officers that fired the most worst six rounds apiece. As says, they realize that that was done they stop and you can hear them on tape yellen ceasefire stop stop stop ceasefire. Carmen is in Houston Carmen. What's your question or comment? Yeah something really bothering me when you said officer Griffin that your son would never be in that position. with the law enforcement. But you gotta think. About All the black lives that are taking because Elise Brianna Taylor where her killers either been arrested. They she got. At her own apartment and then this is why we need to define the lease. Because empirical data showed that all that money should go to. Community services that actually Kansas sculling mental breakdowns rather than police twenty one fired shots. You know that makes no sense to. Other countries have great police them all of systems because they actually benefit and serve Protech, and there is no trust them police anymore. I don't trust. I'm going to be completely honest and our I'm I'm white passing. And I still fear for my life now and that was African American. I fear for my black brothers and sisters. All right. Thanks for the call in for the comments officer Griffith any response to that. Yes well, first of all the bagger there her belief that we're killing african-americans more than any other races just an accurate. There's a very well done study by Harvard University showing there is no disparity between the races when it comes to ostrumov shootings. There is no were out hunting people to kill. Them is just an accurate. It's. It's people that don't have a clue about what our job really is both. Had they go it had they went out and actually. Road with a police officer what they'd be on a day to day basis, they may have a different attitude. But they rather sit in their basement and just hot away from the world and say, everything every police officers back. It's just not accurate. We had over two million contexts Houston last year two, million contacts with citizens just. Only two hundred and seventy citizen complaints, and we only had fifteen shootings. have made seventeen but still. It's real. It's so minuscule. And out of those shootings, every single one of them had a weapon and they were all caught on video camera. And just to clarify since you mentioned this Harvard. Study I believe I'm looking at the correct paper from two thousand seventeen. It's noting that on nonlethal uses of force blacks and Hispanics are more than fifty percent more likely to experience some form of force in interactions with police. But adding controls that account for important context and civilian behavior. Reduces but cannot explain these disparities and then it goes on to say on the most extreme use of force officer involved shootings. That they find no racial differences in either the raw data or when contextual factors are taken into account. So with lethal uses force, you're correct on nonlethal they do see a disparity there. There is much more about this case including link to the body camera footage released. Thursday said Houston Public Media Dot Org. Douglas Griffith is First Vice President of the Houston. Police Officers Union officer Griffith. Thank you very much. Thank you sir have a great day you too. Up Next, how has the return to classes gone so far for the University of Houston, we ask you h provost Paul. A short is Houston matters continues. This is Houston matters I'm Craig Cohen while Houston public schools began classes virtually this week some other school district started sooner some of them with students back in classrooms according to Houston community newspapers, reporter, Christie Knicks Twenty, four Lamar, consolidated ISD, students, and staff have tested positive for cove nineteen cents, employees, and students their return to school. There have been other isolated cases and other districts to, and we'll all hold. Our breath is more schools returned to classrooms in the coming weeks, but it's not just k through twelve education that's trying. To navigate a new school year amid pandemic universities are working to educate students and a safe and effective way some virtually some in person classroom instruction resumed at the University of Houston on August twenty fourth though that instructions being offered in various formats some online some face to face some live lecturing some work on students time to tell us more about that and other efforts to ensure a safe and effective academic environment at the university. Of Houston, we're joined now by Senior Vice Chancellor for Academic Affairs at Uh Provost Dr Paul Short. Dr. Short. Walk into Houston Matters. Thank you so much. Glad to have you with us, how has the resumption of classroom instruction and the start of the semester so far? Actually it's gone very well we're very pleased with the the a way that people have join forces and planned well, and she didn't seem to be doing well in the classroom. So we're failing very good about the false start and it's been very smooth I. It's been a couple of weeks have you had any reports of student staff teachers or others testing positive for Covid nineteen since the? No, we have not I, think all of our efforts at safety and our efforts at creating in our classrooms, honoring social distancing, and all of the things we've done across campus to create a safe environment has really paid off for us. We've done a number of things to to to make it a safe place for students and I think that is proving to be powerful reason that we're not seeing any outbreak of Kobe. on campus do you have a sense of how much instructions online and how much has been in person? Well, we have the hot flex format on campus in which there's face to face, but there's also the online aspect of it. So about I'd say about a twenty percent of course work that's being delivered is being delivered face to face and the high flex format and then we also have synchronous online and a secretive online. So we have a combination of Moto modalities to deliver and I think that. Giving our students choice in the matter in which they wanted to participate in their coursework pitfall adults of. This past spring and going into fall has been very very. Successful for us to nineteen also affected the admissions process. Andrew Sandwiches adopted test optional admission through the summer of two thousand and twenty two. What does that mean? Exactly Well, we know that the ability saleability ability of certain scores that are required for admission. The Act Sat is limited and order to be able to not jeopardize students opportunity to to enroll in the university we've opted to use other methods. To us options such as a holistic review of their portfolio that they've submitted their high school. GPA, those kinds of things at rather than relying strictly on an sat act score and that also is working really well so far this fall we're very pleased with. How. That's benefited students. We actually adopted that this past spring for for this fall and also will be using it through. Spring of Twenty twenty two. Dr. Paul Short is the Senior Vice Chancellor for academic affairs and the provost at the University of Houston Doctor Short. Thanks for talking with us. Sure. Thank you. We often hear that Houston loves to bulldoze its history in exchange for a new strip mall. Why one historian says that's not entirely the case is Houston matters continues. This is Houston matters. I'm Craig. Cohen, we often hear that Houston loves to bulldoze its history in exchange for a new strip mall but Tristan Smith. Says, that's not always the case, his book, a history lover's guide to Houston Chronicle's a number of historic buildings in and around downtown that have been preserved and re purposed back in April he told us that. You. See Our city's approach to preservation depends on where you're from. He grew up in Kansas College town that he says saved everything moving here in two thousand eleven I had heard horror stories of what had been torn down at had been lost in Houston when I actually got here and started exploring a little bit. I realized that there aren't lots of historic structures and some of the fabric of Houston's identity still remain. Yes. Has Been a lot that has been lost and we could have done a better job over the years but. We don't bulldoze everything. There's still some great history out there. Can you give some examples? Sure definitely. I think probably one of the easiest in most obvious examples is union station at minute maid park wild much of a rail railyard of course, as dawn the union station building alone having been integrated into the ball field is I think perfect example of how you can save. A building, repurpose it for another US and continue to hold onto some of your history the been post building downtown becoming the Magnolia hotel the building becoming Saint Germain Loft I mean you can move throughout downtown and the whole sector is is peppered with historic buildings that have been re purposed a lot of them into lock than hotel. Let's talk about another example, the former Jefferson Davis. which we know about that. Yes, Well, it's located just outside of downtown and it was the first centralized municipal hospital to treat indigent patients in Houston located in the first reward It's now today actually an elder street artists lost when they built bad they actually on top of former municipal cemetery and burial grounds for the city of Houston. So there were confederate soldiers or slaves to officials were buried there but by eighteen ninety, it had fallen into disrepair and they turned it into a city hospital by the nineteen twenties and today of course, our loft. How about the former merchants and manufacturers building? Sure that actually is one of the largest buildings in Houston, especially at the time that it was built. So when it opened in nineteen thirty, it was the largest building in the city and while it was spoke on commerce, it didn't last very long a great depression really did it in. within four years, the owners of that building my bankrupt and it was supposed to handle rail traffic had a six three threes way to cool. It had car parking garage though its size actually helped keep it maintained we're able to take it and repurpose it, and the University of Houston downtown has actually taken it over, and now is a hub within the university system. In downtown we've been talking about buildings and structures in the downtown area what about outside of downtown Houston Sure. There's a lot within the neighborhoods within the ward, the former awards. Houston, personally I feel that some of the highlights outside of downtown you'll find project row houses on Holman Street Those shotgun homes have been reported into community enrichment growth for the for the area. The astrodome of course is the highlight of Houston founders memorial cemetery on West Dollars the Houston Fire Museum buildings station number seven in mid town is a great I liked. Museum and then Glenwood cemetery also Washington. Is there anything the the buildings and structures that do endure here have in common that that have of helped them to be preserved and re purposed I'm. A lot of what the city of Houston does which historic preservation and that they look at pockets and neighborhoods. Though you'll see a lot of neighborhoods have been given the historic preservation, the horse historic district designation, and that helps it. When you have pockets of buildings that have been preserved, you can create that district and that helps the surrounding buildings and. Main Street Market Square in downtown has many many historic buildings in it in surrounding, which probably does help a little bit with preserving and also promoting the future preservation of historic buildings that may not currently be under those auspices. We've talked about a lot a lot of these. Buildings and structures that you mentioned your book we have examined previously on this show. There are many others we haven't gotten to, yet you know the freemen town bricks other come to mind I. And I imagine there's lots more in in your book of examples of history that still does in one form or another exist here in Houston. Yes. Definitely and there's so much more that we can do. There are many buildings neighborhoods full city blocks that can be preserved and. What it takes is education and there are great groups out there preservation Houston, the American, Institute of Architects there are so many groups that you can get involved with that you and promotes that you can support and that is going to help preserve individual buildings that will preserve neighborhoods and it will not only preserve them but it will promote them and once more people know about what you can do and how you can preserve buildings and repurpose those buildings the more you can save. Tristan Smith is the author of a history lover's guide to Houston. We spoke with him back in April. It has now been six months since I began hosting this program from home. If I told you, I, wasn't feeling the isolation brought on by the pandemic and how we've all had to respond to it well, I'd be lying. While I can be antisocial anyone from time to time I do miss being more engaged socially with the world, and while I'm encouraged that we're beginning to slowly and carefully resume some public events at limited capacity, I'll be even still very cautious mostly stay home and still always wear masks and keeps socially distant I've been reminding myself these six months that being socially distant doesn't mean being emotionally distant it's important. We continue to be present for one another even as we navigate the pandemic and social and racial strife political entrenchment that is more extreme than really anything I've seen in my lifetime we can still. Be Kind to one another one of the ways we express that kindness and connect is through music over these six months from time to time, we asked you to share some music you enjoy listening to and why and we took your comments and the music and compiled a Houston matters mix tape, three volumes of it. In fact, as I marked six months broadcasting from home I thought maybe we could take a few minutes out and listened to just a couple of those song choices and stories again here are just some of the responses we've received over the last six months for our Houston matters mixed tape. Hello this is Kathleen Malcolm from Portman County I'm responding to your request for song that has meant a lot to me during my lifetime, and that song is Chris Whitley's Big Sky. country. I I heard it from on KRCC, in Colorado Springs. It meant so much I bought the album called dirt floor and have listened to it. Hundreds of times gets you through tough times. The. Music the song in particular Big Sky Country. Remind you. There's another enter the tunnel. When I moved to Houston Texas I, read in the chronicle that Chris. Whitley. Had passed the young age of Lung Cancer And that Houston was his hometown. Chris wet lease big sky country. Song. This is over. Over All in changes. man. In a big. country. Just. Wrong. Black. Just An Again and B.. Kissing. Is. Bad. Live. This is Bradley Gary from Houston Texas Song that I'd really like to recommend which is highly appropriate during this current situation is ride the weight. By Jim Cada. It's got a great message something that I'd like to communicate to my kids personally even if I'm not around so much love and respect to you all get through this. Say. Now. Aware there's. into. Place. Say. Again. You. Know. took. Hi, my name's Ashley on from the Montrose area and I work for Big National Grocery store chain. So I heard that y'all were asking for mix tape. It's suggestions. My story is the song take it easy by the eagles. My brother was a truck driver and he called me one day from the road and said, guess, we're the bleep I am and I said where he goes I'm standing on a corner in winslow. Arizona. In wins. Subject. Bed. Down to. Get, the. Just. Some of the contributions this year to the Houston matters mixed tape. There are others couple hours, worth including songs identified by Houston Public Media Reporters Producers and staff, and you can find them on a spotify playlist called simply Houston matters mix tape. Hope you'll check it out and enjoy the music. Still Ahead Luby's liquidates and your vote is needed for the next inductees to the national toy hall of fame. Our not expert panels way panel weighs in on these intriguing developments in the news on the good the bad and the ugly as Houston matters continues. Today marks, nineteen years since the terrorist attacks of September eleventh two, thousand one, this month also marks ten years since market square. Park reopened downtown Houston's historic district featuring Lawrence Garden. An art installation honoring the life of Lauren cousy grand call us. She grew up in Houston and was among those who died aboard United Airlines. Flight Ninety three which crashed into a field in Shanksville Pennsylvania that day in two thousand fourteen we caught up with a Houston veteran as he visited Lawrence Garden. Jewish Governor Thompson. In the navy from Nike. Seventy. Tonight gave five. ABC Be Heavy Construction Change. Which is also combat outfit. Beirut your time all of our world. Seventeen foreign countries and not a lot of my country. Nine eleven alario. Ninety three they went gang. Shanksville, Pennsylvania. reruch tiger. Pitcher. The garesh. Towers. Pentagon. Shame. Crash. Got Forty stones. Represent the people that died on flight ninety three, the actually took over. Took it down brother crash were going To stay was going. Two thousand seven hundred fifty three stones represents the people that died in the twin towers, the two hundred and seventy something stones over here. They representing the people that died in the Pentagon missed comes out of the back of the center represents rebellious are willing to fight for what we have, but you got to brass mcmansion their represent the bristlecone pine they represent what we will do. We'll be here. Name is Julius. Thompson and you're listening to USA. A lot can happen in a week. Some of it. Good. Some of it bad. Some of it's downright ugly when faced with intriguing developments in the weeks news, we turn to a rotating panel of experts to Parse, the good, the bad and the ugly of it all on today's panel Amber Ambrose Co founder and CEO of Ambrose McDowell communications and happiness our menu dot Com David Brandon professor of political science and Sheriff Social Sciences at the University of Houston downtown and Wayne, Ashley Editor of Texas leftist, DOT, com and host of the aggressive voices podcast amber dwayne welcome to Houston. Matters Hey crank. Thanks for having me. Thank. You, Craig how did Craig panel is we learned this week Luby's Inc the company that owns the decades-old Texas cafeteria dining staple as well as fud rutgers restaurants has decided to liquidate its businesses and distribute proceeds to investors chairman Gerald Body says the company still hopes to find a buyer that would keep some of its restaurants open and that there are no immediate plans to close any that are but locations that have not reopened since the pandemic began are not likely to the Luby's chain has been struggling for years as Texans restaurant tastes have changed and moved away from cafeteria style dining. Now it appears it's days are numbered. Is this good bad or ugly amber embrose start us off I. Think this is bad. It's definitely not good. So many of us have these extremely fond memories usually around family and for me it was on Sundays going to Luby's after church we would go to mass then we would meet my grandparents. We'd meet my cousins, my aunts and my uncles, and we'd all get a giant table and it was just how he spent almost every Sunday when I was a kid and I'm GonNa Miss It I. Miss that part of my life I'm being a kid. So it's not one hundred percent, the restaurant itself as it's mainly. The memories and I think that's what people are feeling I'm it's not ugly because I. Think you know it was time to move on. I will never ever forget square fish in the tartar sauce at his slathered on top. It is absolutely an engineering marvel. So delicious but I'm going to have to figure out another way to either replicated at home or move on it was time for Luby's to go. All right. Good better ugly David Brenham. I'll would break this ugly people were going to lose their jobs and we can't afford for them lose jobs but we're also GONNA lose a good healthy eating option in this city. Where else can you go and walk in the door and have freshly cooked vegetables ready for you as soon as you walk in and you can get a nutritious meal I'm GonNa Miss Luby's I. Remember when my wife was pregnant that we would go to Luby's because we knew we could get a nutritious meal and not have to cook or clean and I think it's particularly Lee said that are eating options are getting healthy instead of more healthy. When it comes to free, we become a community where we drive through and eat in the car and I hope we can turn this around somehow and pay more attention to what we eat and how we if we can do that I. Think we'll live longer and live happier and be more productive and I hope we can make that turnaround soon but Razz for now we just haven't done it yet. Okay good better ugly. Wayne Ashley what a Texas tragedy to lose such an iconic restaurant that people all across the state. No, it's just yet another thing to be sort of bummed out about with twenty twenty. You know it's just been such a difficult year with so many changes and so many things happening. But even though this this I would certainly qualify as bad. I hope that there is hope for the restaurant in the future and that. They can either reform and we'll have a new place to go and gather when we can finally do that again even if it's not the iconic Luby's panel wouldn't be able to rest easy until you knew what architectural paint brand deluxe would announce as it's twenty, twenty, one color of the year. Well, the company revealed it's color they call brave ground, and well, it's a sort of cross between grey and Beige officially, it's. An earthy Brown tone sort of reminiscent of what was painted on every wall of every home put up for sale starting about fifteen years ago the response has been mixed as the London. Mirror wrote this week some call the color warm lovely, and calming while others are less fond one calling graves another describing it as snore SOM and surprised that the company didn't go with quote the unrelenting blackness of the abyss were all screaming into. A paint company calls a cross between grey and Beige brave ground and proclaims the next color of the year. Is this good bad or ugly David Brenham I give brave ground as color year a of good. I think a lot of times when we think of colors that we think our favorite colors or something that gives us an emotional reaction you know we think a peak or yellow or blue or some some colors that really are different from what we're normally looking at. But brave ground gives us a calming feeling I think. It gives us an a feeling that the atmosphere around us. His is tranquil. I think a lot of people really value that and so in. Looking at Bray ground is the color of the year I have no problem. I think it's good idea and so I, give it my full endorsement. All right. Good better ugly nationally well, Craig. I hate to say it this way but to me this brave ground color puts the A in ugly how much more concrete slash bay slash office tour don't look at me wall. Can we get for twenty twenty one? It's just not it's not my favorite color and it's not being spiced up by any sort of other situations you know this is this is one that I just would hate. For this whole time period to be remembered for it's not it's not something that moves me. So I have to go with ugly and I hope that maybe we'll start considering other colors or other patterns maybe for twenty twenty two, we can go for a leopard print or zebra print as a standard you know whatever color you, WanNa, you WanNa throw in there but yeah, this this one's not moving me. All right good better ugly Emperor Ambrose. Okay. So I think brave ground is good. I have no problems with it I think it's a safe choice and I think that's okay for twenty twenty we all want to feel a little safer don't we? I also think it's very soothing on a wall. and. I am usually when who gravitates towards vibrant bright kind of allowing colors, fuchsia and teal and bright yellow and I like combinations of this kinds of colors together. But yeah, for a wall color. I do think they kind of miss an opportunity to do something a little wild this year if there's nothing to lose which I kind of feel like twenty twenty should be renamed the year where we felt like we literally had nothing to lose. They could have been a little more braver with the brave ground, but you know what? They're trying to sell paint I get it I would paint it on my walls panel voting is underway and continuing through. September. Sixteenth for the next inductees into the national toy hall of fame it's based at the strong National Museum of play in Rochester New York, and among the dozen nominees this year are some that I've heard of a few I played with as a kid while I'm sentimentally rooting for Bingo light bright and the all purpose sidewalk chalk to join staples. Ranging, from the Rubik's cube to the Frisbee and Hula Hoop I suspect America's brownies will run up the score and the players choice public ballot at Toy, Hall of Fame Dot Org for my little pony. If one of this year's other nominees is selected, you can also count on its fans nationwide dl Yahtzee do credit also to the toy hall of fame for previous inductees that spoke more to kids imagination less to commercialism like the cardboard box, a blanket and a stick. The vote is on for the next inductees into the national toy hall of fame is this. Good, bad or ugly Wayne Ashley at long last a fun topic and hopefully something that we can all agree on all look forward to well I think that the toy hall of fame is not only good but it's amazing something that just has to be giving us a form to be able to compare and contrast different toys have captured each and every generation. You know I'm a big kid at heart and you know that I love to reminisce about some of my favorite toys from the past like Teddy Ruck spin, for example, but you know this is. This is a great thing and I'm I'm gonNA visit the strong National Museum when I get a chance and you can't hate on the brownies. Why do people talk so badly about my little pony at all the brownies they organized themselves, they become a multi million dollar convention and they do everything they really get it done. So I'm team Brownie and you should be too. All right amber. Craig I. Love This question and the answer is good. I love this just going through the list of toys like really lifted my soul this week by the way Speaking of toys in kids solidarity to all of the H. I. S. t parents and students, and staff and teachers, and. Village that takes care of all the kids and caretakers and everyone going virtual school this week it has not been easy but you know what we're GonNa do this back to toys I just really thought this list was fun. It brought me back a lot by the way light bright is like totally back with old is new again, which is not surprising. My kids have one masters of the universe toys is on this list to I'm a big sheriff fan again, there's a reboot on Netflix I'm actually really enjoying it. This was just so much fun. They all deserve a spot on there I don't know why we have to vote because all of these toys R. Classic and Worthy Love this question okay, David Toy Hall of fame is a great idea hall of fame's are about recognizing those things that gave us great experiences in the past, and I believe that toys were clearly a big part of most of our childhood giving us memories of great experiences. That said I believe the list of twelve finalists that have here is listed very few people with will agree with for instance, light bright is on the list library came out when I was five years old. I don't remember asking for light bright or wanting one. I don't remember anybody in the neighborhood having one I do remember a whole lot of people wanting hot wheels. But light bright wasn't one of those toys that I think should be here. So while I love the idea of a toy hall of fame I, think the list needs a little bit of adjustment. David Brandon is a professor of political science and Sheriff Social Sciences at the University of Houston Downtown Ambrose is the CO founder and CEO of Ambrose McDowell communications and happiness our menu dot com and Wayne. Ashley is the editor of Texas leftist DOT COM and host of the aggressive voices podcast. David Amber Wayne. Thanks very much as. It as always Craig. That'll do it for today's show. The Houston matters. Team includes, Michael. Hegarty. Joshua's in Brenda Ruis Brenda. Devia. David Pittman is our technical director. Today at three on town square with earning news topics include lessons learned about the corona virus from Major League Baseball on Mondays Houston matters get your gripes ready. It's time for another round of stony pet peeves. You know you've got some small annoyances building up. We're here to help you sweat the small stuff. So you can face the larger challenges of life and goodness knows we got those you WanNa have a clear head when you face them email your peeves to talk at Houston Matters Dot Org or you can call in when we talked through them with professional drivers, Lisa Gray from Houston Chronicle, and Craig Levarty from the Houston Museum of Natural Science. We'll also connect up again with Jeff Baulky to discuss the weekend in Houston. Sports. Cohen had gray weekend join US Monday for those and other Houston matters.

Houston Houston University of Houston Officer officer Houston Police Officers Union Douglas Griffith Houston Chronicle Craig Craig Cohen Houston Police Union Luby Nicholas Chavez Police Officers Union University of Houston Houston City Council Wayne Ashley Texas Sylvester Turner
438  Doomwatch  By the Pricking of My Thumbs

Fusion Patrol

1:11:48 hr | 1 year ago

438 Doomwatch By the Pricking of My Thumbs

"You're listening to fusion patrol. A listener supported podcast find out how you can help us by being a sponsor a Patriot dot dot com slash fusion patrol we take a single episode of a Science Fiction TV series and over analyze it to within an an inch of its life. This is the fusion patrol podcast welcome to the discussion. Hello Hello and welcome to another episode of fusion betrayal. Jean and I'm Simon and tonight tonight we're looking at the do watch episode by the pricking of my thumbs in a secondary school some students sabotage another students science experiment making it so that it will explode the results go pretty much exactly how any rational person would expect them to go. Oh the student is burned and has glass lodged in his I do watch Dr Chantrey helping visiting scientists Mr and sore due chromosome studies. It's clear Quist isn't a big fan of this project and believes making too much from his extremely limited data and so is studying the effects of men possessing double y chromosomes and how that influences their violent behavior chantrey is helping him steady blood samples taken from prisoners at the school. The three boys are on the carpet and while only two of them were actually active in sabotaging the experiment all three we stick together and we'll not rat on one another the victim faces the potential loss in his eye and the perpetrators face expulsion and sores or is there to and after the boys leave he begins expounding on the fruits of his work in that in light of who one of the three students is Stephen Franklin an adopted opted child. It may make sense unbeknownst to end sore or the headmaster Stephen was the one child who did not actively participate in the prank rank when the two culprits are given an essay on environment versus heredity as their punishment but Stephen is expelled from school Steven's father is is irate. He pieces together that somehow the school is assuming that Stephen has double y chromosomes and is in effect predisposed post violence and bad behavior and therefore must have been the instigator of the prank. Mr Franklin also happens to journalist and through the wildest of coincidences dances happens to have written several articles popularizing the view that double y chromosomes lead to violent individuals he takes his plight to do watch quist knows of Mr Franklin and he does not appreciate a journalist who simplifies scientific data to the point where it is easily misunderstood by the layman and he has no oh sympathy for him ridge meanwhile through his constant sexual activity has discovered the blood samples chantrey has been analyzing art from prisoners but happened to be samples extracted did from students at Stevens school where answer has been carrying on his research this angers Chantrey who's been lied to but it softens exquisite. It's hard just a little. There's still one mysterious question and sore hasn't gotten around to taking blood samples from the older students yet. How does he seem to know that Stephen is double? Y Quest Puts Ridge on the case Ridge puts hardcastle on the case who has apparently been hiding broom closet doom watch for the last few weeks Stephen runs across his father's articles on double y chromosomes and puts two and two together for himself. He runs away from home and heads to Gatwick because he's a bit of a plane plane. Enthusiasts Ridge talks with the other two pranksters one admits that Stephen had tried to stop him and that he even told the headmaster that Stephen wasn't at fault but the headmaster dismissed his comments his mind already made up harsh gasol tracks the boy to Gatwick where he tries to commit suicide on the runway Ridge and quist discover that ten years ago instore had worked at the Care Center that Steven was adopted from and must have collected his chromosome data years ago hardcastle say Stephen and with doom watch intervention he is readmitted to school answer and the headmaster are given a bit of a talking to buy Quist we he may yet be proved to be the sum total of our chemical components but until that bleak day dawns I suggest we treat ourselves and our children as responsible responsible. Even moral beings the end so wow do much ashore again. Just they're just having fun with stuff aren't they. laying bare right the problems of our provides. So what did you think of this episode of Doom Watch. I I mean again. I thought the issues were still quite Mellon but somehow when it came to making as gripping drama as they have done in the past few weeks out of it they didn't quite Glam this joke intentionally because of the whole airport suicide thing no. I was thinking fishing okay I I mean to me. It seemed like the problem was there's more that that there's an interesting issue here and in fact throughout the potential there Pepsi the three interesting issues here which may be a weakness because it sort of dilutes what the kind of the moral core this is because they want to talk about extrapolating from insufficient data which is an issue okay can be hard to make that sexy but possibly there's a whole big thing that which I do feel is particularly quite relevant now which is all about the use of personal data and informed consent and all that kind of thing and I'm absolutely fascinated because I just I I just don't know and I guess I guess you don't quite because neither of us were around in one thousand nine hundred seventy one England for different reasons what exactly the the the legal and disorder norms would be around the way they were handling this data but then I think maybe the big one was the one around biology and crime or should we say genetics and heredity. This is because I mean the the X. Y. Y thing is not something I come across personally but in a way I would hope thing I guess in one thousand nine hundred ninety one I looked up and it was maybe ten years that stuff it was new and instill the controversy is airing in this episode gets debated conferences condemning conferences in this year's subsequent to this episode so it was kind of it was ahead of the curve on that and impressively so and I think I think it remains an interesting issue the whole thing or will if if we think certain sectors sectors of the population off genetic reasons going to be predisposed to criminal activity. How do we respond to that but the problem was to the the way the issue was put crossing this was so crude and kind of emotional reactions they tried to generate didn't really feel like that actually connected with the issue so that that was where I I saw the episode really fell down soy asked this question them uh skipping ahead in my notes? One of the topics here is also a and it's a side topic is the reporting reporting of scientific findings because Quist is very down on Franklin because Franklin a reporter has simplified simplified science for the layman and he makes the argument that you have to do that and and he also makes the argument that the articles he did five years ago were in fact based on what the prevailing scientific feeling was at least that's what he's characterizing the rising it as we don't know whether that's true or not but but I think I think he's being honest there that when he says and so so there is an and I mean that's the thing we have now. I mean I I was. I was literally just listening to a podcast this morning that was looking at the currently hot topic thing about video games and violent don't behavior and I didn't know this hotel topic link between guns and violent behavior. That's it's pretty dumb man. Well okay so we did not know about this. Was that the most I think the American psychological may have that organization but the organization the United States that pre psychology did put out a study that wasn't as black and white as you know people like to to make the argument that they did in fact find a link between video games video games and aggression and so that was picked up by the press and picked up by a lot of people who wanted to make whatever point they wanted to make ends at USC violent video games lead to violence but but they had had to come back a few years later and re clarify that patients that we didn't say it increases violence we city it increases aggression and those are not the same same thing you can be aggressive by playing in a soccer match. You know trying to win. Being you're being aggressive that is that's socially accepted my son when he plays video games shouts at the computer he doesn't smash it with a baseball bat. I mean he gets he gets wound up. He gets you but he doesn't go off and commit mass murder those those there's no no look there. They don't have a link there. They have a link a slight tiny tiny show of increase in that it can lead to some aggression but it's but that that was picked up and it's like immediately in the press it went to aggression that video game violence. You put the pieces together because it has to be simplified because it's a very nuanced piece of scientific research and it's exactly what we're what he's casting on on Franklin right now but but there's two things one is from a medical standpoint is doom watch doing is the TV show doom watch. I just doing the same thing by putting this out here. In admittedly simplified fashion for dramatic purposes assist they're putting it in the mindset of people and they are not giving giving paper. They're not intending to give scientific paper. They cannot do it the nuance justice that perhaps it serves so are you simplifying the science in the minds of people there and second topic question the topic that you brought up last week or last episode that we're working on head to do with people reinforcing their opinions and I I had to go back and watch this the second time the headmaster for whatever reason already thought Stephen Franklin had done this the chemistry professor you're who who knew the students from class and interacting with them did not think and I think he correctly identified defied which one was the culprit the main culprit behind it but the headmaster for whatever reason already had Franklin picked and an end sore came in and said tall kid right yeah headmaster just locked on it. He used incomplete data that he was provided to reinforce is the stereotype already had in his mind and I wanted to bring that one up because we had discussed it last time which doesn't go anywhere other than just once again. Do Watch being pretty darn good about showing the way people bowl really screw up. They're thinking yes I I mean I don't WanNa be down on this episode because I I do think all of these are interesting questions. The feeling that I had about how the treatment of of these issues muddy the water was in large part because it seemed to me that in many ways batting is he he he's he is the one who is responsible for his decisions as headmaster so if he act on something that someone who happens to be in his school conducting a study Cardi passes on to him about one of the one of the pupils then ultimately the responsibility for whether or not he acts on information how judges that information and whether it's appropriate for him to have that information and use it is down to him as headmaster true but he is a headmaster she is not. He's not a scientist and I didn't. I didn't really pick up on that as a seem I mean it's interesting your picking up on it now Christie in Steve Steve Well. I'm not I'm not I'm not denying that this airing the episode but I I thought the primary focus of the kind of culpability in all of this was the way that Dr end source conducting himself because he he was the one who yeah you should have known better. He is a scientist researching this field and she is extrapolating from insufficient data and and he knows it and we know he knows it because he's lying about it he wasn't straight with fe and so this is does that aspect then the then. There's the aspect of the the ethics research where he has information gathered at one institution about someone who is another institution and yet he he he shares that that information and even even the question whether he should be sharing personal information at all about the subjects of these experiments with any staff in school. I mean the one thinks be anonymous but he's saying on this particular. Individual has x Y Y chromosome so yeah I I I guess I haven't been thinking about it in terms of reinforcing existing prejudices and I kind of think you're right there yes yes. I was actually thinking that because you know you don't know who the students are in that opening scene where the headmaster and the chemistry emissary talking at least. I don't know who the students are so they're just names right so you go through the episode and then I went back to watch it because what I thought had what happened was that headmaster at pick student a chemistry teacher student be and strangling was actually see and it turns out it wasn't the headmaster was for my money it's Franklin and because of he's had privileged or something I don't know yea me and and I mean there's also the prejudice around adoption I think till end source said it I think he did and then so now another question just to go with the whole what information you could share when dad goes to the headmaster and says who we about my kid where you you know what are you basing this on and he says Oh that's confidential. You don't want to give it to the father of all the people the legally responsible individual yeah it underlines the impropriety of the information that has already been shed because if it is if if they understand the issue of confidentiality and you know that if the if the data is that sensitive or they are sensitive but in one thousand nine hundred ninety one about the proper data protection then they must be aware that they shouldn't be sharing information between each other the headmaster and doctrine saw aw not even fellow employees are they work for separate organizations and the whole question of how you can have someone who is in an external researcher coming into school and not not just doing doing the research psychological surveys on student's but actually taking blood samples from them without the parents errands apparently even being aware that this is going on absolutely just beggars belief watching it from one thousand nine thousand nine suspect. I believe it's probably not that were wrong in context of the the world that was I mean I can't. I'd say that raises an eyebrow arch you know. I think that you know if I've been in school while I wasn't school at that time. I wasn't that old but I- reasonably sure that they did. I wouldn't say medical experiments on us. That's going a bit far but I'm reasonably sure that they did whether it medical exams whether it was a studies without parental consent hearing hearing tests I tests things like that and I don't know where that data went one. What were they? What were they doing with that data? Were they sending it off to a government organization. It was making aching statistical analysis or were they using it. Go Oh you know maybe we should tell the parents his kidneys glasses. I don't know I really don't or it. You know I could see those being tied to learning problems if you can't hear in class if you can't see the board perhaps perhaps there's something but I mean it's just a hop skip and a jump and the question of whether the data is being used diagnostic. Where's the question is feeding into some larger research project where now hoping to draw those conclusions but then you know that is is data sharing but I think you're right? I mean I think I don't think it was seen as the issue that I think would be seen as now which does raise the question is is is putting just claiming it's confidential because he doesn't want to say in which case. Why doesn't he want to say yeah you know I think there's there's there's something to the fact that this has kind of moved into a layer where it is about your chemicals where where it is about the the the accident of your birth? It's a you know I think now. I don't know whether the double y chromosome thing is still going on. I Yeah I know the most recent arguments that I've heard for this exact same thing are high levels of testosterone in men with high levels of testosterone are inclined aimed towards violence and that's you know same same kind of thing and I think there may even be something tied to that that double double y chromosome may cause high level of testosterone. I mean there. Maybe that maybe a Lincoln this chain that's still going on. I know I've heard of that within the the last five years. Try then go to me. That's that's the meaty philosophical issue issue in this and that's where the drama really should send Sarah I if it got to grips with the I think that could've I've been I think that could have been something probably meaty in this one because de issue the issue around is what do you do if if that is true so there is the possibility that you know take a very simple example cave. If if a person happens to be male they are predisposed to be taller and so therefore all mandatory for women. It's it's the logic is is not it is a factor but there are other factors involved as well and so if you have some random random person and obviously if if we're talking about T- to violence or whatever it wants takes on X. Y. Was likely to be associated with the time mm-hmm something that you can't just see in the way that you can see height but let's suppose you you're you're picking a random person when you happen to now they are male than without looking at their height. What can I tell you about? I can tell you that they are taller than this person or that person or toilet in the norm whatever well it can give you an indication that they might be but it doesn't determine it so if if there were just to stretch my analogy beyond breaking point but if there were some sort of misdemeanors etiquette in school where I didn't know you you knew the pop tried to had to been above a certain height than and when you when you go around looking for your your suspects depict the tallest person I mean you can't possibly make judgments about discipline and especially something as serious as expulsion based on hey factor that is involved so if the data had been let's suppose all of the all of the data gathering had been done to an exemplary standard and and and saw had actually been more conservative and you know there was there was now sufficient data to show his hypothesis was true and we've got these three students and we know that one of them is responsible for this. I mean essentially sleaze criminal act isn't it. Do we simply do we simply use the data that says one of them is predisposed to be violent so he's may be more likely to be violent to go. Oh well. We've got to punish someone. It must be him. And how do you assess works. Is that justice I so crude. It's nonsense. That's the problem with taking anything dramatic out to that. He's just darst and they should've expelled all three of them if they were gonNA keep shut up about it and absolutely and I'm going to go back another step my first point in my notes here is expulsion really equal to this crime pasta to the police elite yeah because that's the direction. I'm going yeah me too. That's a crime that's assault something like well. We're going to expel you. It's like wow like you blew up chemicals and glass in a guy's face and that's what you're going to get I that that just boggled my mind but charged I mean I think I think sadly although I'm not saying that commonplace these things these kinds of things do happen then they just won't Beasley why supervision in chemistry labs and safety glasses so yeah an estimate everything is is very much done in in a way that that maximizes safety and minimize the scope for militias acts. It's obviously that is something that has tightened up and tightened up tightened up fifty years is a long time. When these events do occur I would I would still expect to police to be asking questions at the very least I'm not saying that prosecutions acution result but you'd want to look into you know what what the intent was and what what the chances of were approving that because there was intent and we as who happened to chanced upon this video evidence? It's a crime can see then yeah. I think there is a case I think interesting is almost a throwaway line or as little more than a line but about treating these kids like adults. At what point do you trust them to to behave themselves in a responsible way and you know it it is it is true we have tightened down and I admit I kind of feel like you ought to be able to leave a seventeen or eighteen year old kid you know with proper proper training doing some of those things. I don't know maybe explosive chemicals. I thought I thought they were like seventeen. Maybe maybe I'm maybe I missed. I maybe Franklin telling because he was eight years old when they adopted him ten years ago. Okay well yeah new. Maths is good there. Okay yes yes I would yes I would expect you to be able to to leave kids at that age without them doing those kinds of cranks although jewelry sleep by that stage they should no better and therefore yeah all more reason why should be referred to the police he eats. You only have to watch fail videos on Youtube to know that humans are not particularly good at figuring out the consequences of some of their actions and I have a question there I mean would they have done this if they had expected it to blow up in his whole horrific away as it did I mean I can't I can't tell whether or not the guy doing this was trying to get it to blow up Ho that's funny or blow up and you've been scarred for life and possibly blinded and I I feel like he probably probably was just stupidly not thinking that was going to happen. I think all either GonNa Happen I kind of thing and a and to me this is this is quite a truthful treatment of it but I kind of think that the way it was portrayed. The kids kids didn't have any any real it wasn't that they hadn't thought of the consequences it was. They didn't understand the consequences was it was the reality of them were were removed from their action was at the time and I think it's Jenkins I think in his case he possibly something of a psychopath the consequences that were the would have mattered for him were the consequences for him in in the sense of having got into hot water over it and and sexual but for the others I think thinks they had really thought through what might happen if it blew up and if the other kid was injured or how would be funny but they hadn't thought about it in terms of how serious that would be what the consequences would be to the kid and the rest of it so I I think it's thoughtless in a in a sense but it's not it's not not being able to think through what might happen is just not being able to connect with the reality of it so one of the young because you're in that moment thinking of it as tape. I guess that's that was my interpretation of that. One of the things I feel this episode goes to great lanks and I think this goes in with that kind of natural portrayal things they do a very good job of demonstrating that Stephen is actually a nice kit. Yes he is fundamentally the mentally at a basic level and they do that partially by having him run into people while he's really upset and in both cases aces. He's clearly distraught that he ran into the people. This is not the actions of somebody who is not empathetic who doesn't care who's violent. These are the actions of somebody who when you make a mistake and genuinely instantly instantly naturally just you know Oh. I am really sorry I didn't so they. They did a really nice way AH portraying him as that I gotTa tell you I found a little bit of his six foot three tall male myself oh five I found his too tall sobbing and crying on the runway a little touching little heartbreaking yes. That's toll person myself quite did start wondering whether I have the x y y grow also and this goes to the this goes to the scene. Were Dad is like trying to stop them. We'll I warn them well. You tried to stop them. No I warned them. I didn't Stevens very you know it's like he didn't try to stop them. He did and he wants to be honest about that and he was being voice of reason that's right and A- and then later on and how natural was that and I think it kind of is the line if been normal of stop them. I'm talking about the ability to to turn something against yourself in your own mind that sort of self breath. Let's call it self loathing not quite the right word but I mean he. He's able to take all this input. That's being thrown at Oh. Zo Your bad egg you'll see and he begins to believe leaving. His mom begins to believe it at one point in the story. It's insidious this time it is it is absolutely and again. I think I think to me directly connected to to the kind of the the moral core of the story but I feel we could have had a bit more development took that because I mean I I totally agree with you. In in terms of the way that Stephen is portrayed as we learn about his character through the first part of the episode and I don't feel this this is a criticism of the actor so much as just perhaps a lack of clarity in his motivation as the characters written as we get into the latter part of it. It's clear that he is distraught about what he has discovered in that file that you know he he he thinks he is abnormal but I don't quite understand and what his own kind of emotional reaction to that discovery is and I mean we feel through through action. He runs off to Gatwick but I didn't really understand why he was running to Gatwick plane-spotter. It's very interesting if that if that was actually Gatwick Airport in nineteen seventy one and it could be wildly different from Gatwick Airport in one thousand nine thousand nine hundred dollars Lisp he tries to buy a ticket to the channel island so he okay he's running away from home but why has what he has discovered about himself changed his own view of his whole life and I mean it seems like it has but I can understand that in terms of school because that's the locus of the whole issue but how does does he feel about his parents who she seems to run away from the airport. And where does he switch from running away to the channel. LILA NDS to trying to commit suicide by standing in a runway well. Let's try to justify this but I think one. We're supposed to be of the belief that the boy is so upset that he's behaving in a stupid fashion. That's one more about the kind of it's like yes yes of course he's going to behave irrationally yes of course he's going to have is going to be emotionally charged. But what is he thinking. What is he thinking? I I'm kind of thinking that in nineteen seventy one you could you could at seventeen or eighteen years old. Keep probably go somewhere and start another life still assume a different identity and go could welby is that is that what he wants to do he wants I mean they're all the possibilities here he could. He could be I want to get I want to go and start another life where no one knows. I'm an X Y Y it could be did. He thinks I'm an X Y Y. I'm a danger. Njit the people around me including the people I love and I still love my therapy that I need to take myself for a way to travel to other incredible population of people who might be who I might hacked to pieces or whatever is it that much smaller planning Brad or whatever yeah he might be he might be feeling a sense of betrayal with some of the people in his life or you know a lack of supportive. His mother's is now sort of feeding that these things are are true. They're they're just there. Were too many possibilities to any clearly believes dad believes it. It doesn't matter what Dad said no doesn't matter what dad says to him. Dad's written all those articles saying these people are e. L. I. C. So I mean Dad's yes go. I don't think he noticed mom beginning to doubt him. In fact I think it's interesting dad doesn't doubt him ever get any points things in the article but mom who whenever Stephen Is there has always been straight up it wasn't until after he ran away that she began to kind of waffle a little bit about well. Maybe some of its little I would. I liked it. I mean that that point completely missed that passed me by. I thought that the plot reason for that to have written the articles five years ago was so that you're basically in that scene with quist where he's looking sympathy can just behaved like a total quist yes and never mind the science. I like you because you wrote something that wasn't sufficiently sophisticated in half a decade ago. I always seemed to me I kind of removable plot point but actually if it's feeding being into Stevens emotional turmoil at the end it's quite significant point I would just have I guess I would have liked for a resolution point of view as well I would have liked to see with Stephen and his parents there rather than Stephen at hardcastle so that he could have he could dude how that discovery whatever else had had made him feel that made him feel towards them so we do have a drop. I just want to draw parallel here because us. If I've been the more I think about this from from week to week. If there was ever a show that needed to be picked up and and and done by Amazon Primer Apple Plus we need do watch to look at this again here we have this which is a little bit outdated science dance but talk about everybody in their brother running off their their DNA to twenty three and me and going into these massive databases where potentially insurance companies are using them to deny people coverages potentially you know police are using to track down quote unquote suspects for unsolved crimes decades ago this kind of love. This kind of study of the human population is only getting worse and all of the things that we've talked about in doom watch pretty pretty much are still with us but have at moved on. It seemed like a show that maybe we need to remind people that needs they come back but I may be. I may be lamenting the same things I leventis last time we talked about him watch but the fact that it was seen as something that could be primetime entertainment to actually delve into these these types of issue and and give them proper exploration. It feels like something that you know we we gone backwards quits on that absolutely I think we have quist gives that leads into quist gives a his little speech at the end and talks about the the US being the some of our chemicals and if that bleak day ever comes to pass now. I'm going to ask this question in Abkhazia a seriousness are we the some of our chemicals and is that a bleak day if we reach the point where we truly understand it because I kind of am a bit of a reductionist I I believe we could ultimately gather enough knowledge about the human being the human condition the way humans work and process and operate and I'm not sure there's a random element there. It's just so complex that it appears random to us. I don't know that you mean you your proper. Your proper materialist guest has in in it would be heretical impossible to predict anything if you had secretion Chretien eight about the yes resisted and that obviously you have a problem with will yes I do. I have a problem with the notion of free. Will I think we have the effectively free will or because it's we can't can't understand that it isn't but it might not how about that might not be free. Will I'm willing to entertain that notion that at this point we you cannot tell but that will cause I mean there's something co position yeah. That's what that's what has frightened people people into coming up you know sway descartes came up with his version of Judaism or or what have you because it it became became important to be able to protect the realm of dispirit the spirit for want of a better word that goes and I'm not going to answer that. I'm not going to answer listen I I. I don't own it kind of belief level. I don't have a high don't have a strong belief that you could reduce everything and make prediction. I think that doesn't necessarily result in some argument about spirituality but I think I think we we are talking here about system that is too to complex to be reduced in that way. It's it's it would be impossible to within the constraints physics to build a prediction machine that would do that for the the complexity of physics physics is both too complex to do that and yet too limited to allow it to be possible hospital. I don't think it will ever happen. Do you think it's obsessively limitation Christian people the model basically that that we cannot model it in such a such detail that we could then use that model to well. I indeed yes I. I don't believe I don't believe the gap there is ever something that can be closed so we'll never be able to predict with one hundred percent certainty will behave if we could. Is that a bleak day because going today more interesting question because that's what Quist says if a bleak day ever comes to pass plank. We'll okay but I don't you aren't you in the west of knowledge winced I mean this is this is this is a way to kind of question in that. I think lies behind these sort of sci-fi stories where you have genuine people personalities the kind of thing that Adams sending you know what but android that appears to be human to the perfectly simulated consciousness is it is it is it real consciousness to feel to feel pain to feel happiness. Ns to feel all sorts of different moods because you assume that the underlying computer D in You know the android brain that is he's he's running it is completely deterministic can and can be predicted her and therefore you get into the question of well if that what we call it not lie for Android what if that computer robot hey in such a way as to be essentially indistinguishable human. Should we treat them any different even human. We have to assume that that that level of consciousness gives rise to that sense uh-huh not you're saying we have only as an illusion called tree will now I know you're they. They have that sense to so so never mind the question of whether we could be determined to not which I think is very much more difficult. What what what would that mean for someone he was machine to who could be totally predicted but believed otherwise I know you're not particularly a star trek watcher but I will? I'll passes on you might dig up and spend forty five minutes to watch. There is a star Trek. Next generation episode called the measure of a man in in which the Android crew member data is ordered back to starfleet for disassembly so that they can figure out what makes Zim take because they don't know and the rest of the episode is and he doesn't want to do that because it would kill him so the rest of the episode is that exploration in this case in a court of law what constitutes making him a sentient being or not what and it's I understand from a legal standpoint. It's pretty crap but but you know it raises something up pretty good in in a short period of time but it is the point because if the same thing your your your reductionist extrapolation would be bleak day would result in in having to essentially say well what are the point of courts law and justice because if there is no free will how can hold anyone responsible so any of their actions y'all on the other hand. If if everything is is predetermined anyway what's the point of even asking that question because if we aim to have court of law and Justice and then we will have so we might stop thinking about it yeah. I know I can easily see I can easily see why quist would think it is a bleak day. I'm not necessarily saying I agree with him but I mean if you if you could predetermine that somebody was going to do something then theory could use that information to do something to to prevent them from doing the predetermined activity that you didn't want to happen but it would also be predetermined that you would do that or so and so we just said yeah certain views of time travel view view way. You can't change anything but if you time travel you already part of event explore the same idea in terms of wow you know what the implications for free will because you suddenly found whatever you do you are you are you are still following a predetermined path for you have absolutely zero agency and any sense that you do. I'm have turns out to be an entirely an illusion but it's an illusion. You can't get rid o because you're going to carry on acting as if you did have agency because that is what we are predetermined to do you know it is a paradox of sorts and if everything were predetermined predetermined just I'll throw one more out there if if we could predetermined the entirety of the human race everything that every person was going to do everything then when an alien comes along that we don't have that information on that is a random element would throw all into complete and absolute chaos right just well. No it's just our model was it's. That's the gap again. Our model was insufficient went to encompass the full system should be eventually it would be compensated for right eventually it would be compensated for probably but if there are truly random AH vents in the universe and probably are from perhaps at a quantum level. Perhaps they truly are random physicists. I know there's at least one physicists Julie random events out there yeah. No alien is an unknown factor throwing the model allowed yes but so alien is just some piece of information at the model wasn't sufficiently what wasn't sufficiently complete to include but alien is just one example of that there are all sorts of other things that could be information that the model wasn't sufficiently complete to include that that are fully terrestrial and and just result in a discrepancy between what the model predicts what the actual outcome is and and you know as long as you have that gap and I believe you will then there is there is no real threat to the illusion of free will with their panic if the world came to a place where everybody thought that everything was predetermined which you know hard to imagine what that would be like living under but then when uncertainty is thrown into the mix what would that that probably all sidecar probably put that one aside. I think we on a lot I I mean quits little twists little. He was standing on the soapbox at that point at least metaphorically it was essentially only the writer of the episode. If if he could have broken the fourth ward he could he he would have because it was essentially turning thing to speak to us to explain to us the mall of the story that we had just watched yes. Yes there was that there's no doubt about it okay so I got a couple little minor things to throw out here. The first is suicide by airplane. GotTa be a I I think psych and and not the most believable one it was identity. How Successful Bid Ray reminded me of film pushing tin? Didn't they call the tower telling there was somebody out on the runway. Wouldn't they have diverted the flight light off anyway. I I don't know I donate again he didn't he didn't need to spe- explored a little bit more for us to to understand properly jeopardy and the motivations there again it actually ended up feeling rushed in a bit confused once again we have an episode that the plot points turn on John Ridges sexual chill appetite it would be that it would duct it I had to I I had to go back and watch the secrets where he first enters the episode and he's talking to duct chantrey and and she said Oh you look like hell and and his and I'm looking at this picture and thinking hungover late night tired dragon that kind of thing and his response is little plastic razor from designed for Pixie armpits and and the first time through that I just felt like there were words flung at my ears and they didn't make any sense but obviously it means he was sleeping with somebody last last night and when I watched it again and I'm like oh he's literally talking about. He had to shave with an armpit razor and that's why he looks like hell this morning. Wow yes I would never noticed that about someone. In a million years he hit walk in nut slightly shave imperfectly and it just wouldn't even I would not ever go out Ellis morning. Chuck I just I don't know different time I guessed but yes he apparently got the information about the school data the blood samples coming from a school because he was either chatting up or something more the girl who was delivering the samples if they didn't have John Ridge and his libido they would have some serious serious problems also note enormous coincidence that this story happens to occur again. We're working doom watch and it happens to be both the school that is working at and a scientist or a reporter who had previously written about this research and who had some knowledge and interaction with Quist to do that that I find see the problematic the latter I can forget the former just seems seems to me. It's like everyone in the world do his tripping over each other because then literally the guy who's working school. Come back to the do much lab and boom there is I don't really see why that had to be the case I mean they would come across end saw when they came across the school. I I guess it was a device to get to get interested in his research at the beginning getting into the story Franklin. Being a journalist didn't seem to me as much problem journalist Britain about that particular thing it just I guess maybe I mean the thing that seemed to me a coincidence too far aw was when he started jumping up and down and saying I'm a I'm a professional colleague Dr Quist of Doom Watch coach and I thought Oh goodness me so you know and so knows quest and working at school Franklin those Chris where why then actually actually quite liked was the fact that when he turned up at the office Quist was like who the hell lizzy and like many a journalist he'd he'd it completely exaggerated that aspect of their connection so I sued I thought the chances that had come across quist if he were a journalist and he were science science reporter were quite high but he wasn't menacing like freshman colleagues so that was that was believed given that he was in that Field Fair enough Olaf booby. I assume it's pronounced poofy. I'm not sure and sore did two things one. was there a reason that they made a point of referring to him as Mr and sore so he apparently was not a dodge. I thought they refrigerants doctrines overnight. I I thought they did too but then going back the only time I could find it I could hear well. I didn't watch the whole episode twice I watch bits of it the second time through through and places where I did it they referred to him as Mr and sore but that could just be denigrating him. I don't know but I put doctrine so in my notes but I did. I did original too and so I just assumed where I could be an assumption yeah. This is professor Stolman from inferno which would have been about Lou almost the same year the same character dedicated scientists who cannot see the forest for the trees and his focused on what he's GonNa prove and Daniel like like the only thing I've ever sees it is only two roles I've ever seen him plays the the same guy. Basically we mentioned it earlier. It's just going to say you know it's a good cost with you've got but adapted in it as Franklin Franklin senior who has who it was in tinker tailor soldier spy and it hasn't played both Toby Esterhazy and George Smiley on the radio and Colin Jevons who has appeared in all sorts of things or putting the head install who I I I see and I think I recognize him from somewhere but I can't ever remember where it is because his face is so recognizable and yet he does the play quite different characters but he was he was what he was in the avengers as well and and of course house of cards. The original and Best House of cards is let's see we've mentioned it but quist seems teams to really have something up his but the last few episodes I I mean he's really reasonably Nasty Yup hardcastle back so we got our yes we originally back in action yeah bow now. It's like there's a team suddenly although hardcastle apparently he's just stuck in a little room often team and it doesn't seem like there's enough for them to do so I I have slightly mixed feelings now because it seemed like the best episodes that we have have been episodes where is essentially had down to just quit enrich or or I think the the one with the invasion Asian invasion mostly at that point hardcastle is actually playing a full member of the T- but we we've had an episode where it is literally just Kristen ranch. We've had next where it is. Kristin rich and hardcastle is a he's being introduced so he's he's not actually a member of the team and likewise episode with Faye where he's being introduced so it felt is like through but one of the episodes then prior to this the the second series. It has been a quiz show. That's probably pretty fair. I guess they're probably the the popular kids on the show. I'm not sure it's hard to say regis sort of strangely likable despite the fact that he is an odious. He's matic. Don't in particularly want to around T. anytime soon. Look I'm using likeable in a sort of yeah. There's something about the guy that you just Kinda like he just like you wouldn't want Jr ewing around or you wouldn't want care fairhaven but there's something about them like he's not quite meant to be the villain either. It's not like that but yeah he's just he's a he's a jerk like he's really really a jerk some some episodes worse than others but I the last question here even though like I said I'm advocating for them to Redo have an entirely new series of doom watch and update it for all going well. I mean what have they been doing but but my question is how long before they run out of nightmare scenario ebbs for them to make episodes out of I- Xinyu Xinyu I I'd like to think that they're just about out of them will eat less than halfway through I mean I know we're going to be able to watch all of them but I know it's like. How long is it till you know sleep deprivation or asking this question back can series won- I know but actually they've been pulling much more interesting things in my view out of the bag facilities to so I can carry on doing that? I mean obviously eventually the show went off the air. Possibly I don't know why did did he go off the air because the writers just said you know we're done or did the BBC's they were done or or I don't think it was. BBC doesn't use ratings so I'm sure it wasn't Dat crabcakes commercialism or anything but at least early seventies I don't want to look into not because I want to avoid spoilers but I think there was some kind of schism later on between producer Terence thirdly dot Louis and the creators Gerry Davis so that may have had something to do with it. Could I think I think the to create his left the show and I I guess if that had an effect on it then the executives at the BBC. ABC May not have liked what was being put out. That's possible I guess we'll find out if it turns seriously awful that sound point well we would have all of the evidence because it's only as I understand seventy series to complete and will be up. We'll be back into missing episodes in series three yes yes. Do you have anything else about. I do actually have one thing I I wanted to say just because it struck me as being so extraordinary for nineteen seventy-one Judy when awesome question about the survey they were filling in. She said they will like to because it was like computer dating okay computer dating really been going around since two they won. Didn't they do something like that in the vange why don't remember that in the original avengers yeah I I. I thought it was a matching some things somewhere we use computerized matching to come up with the perfect. Gosh yes I feel I. I feel like there was I was now. You mentioned it. It was it wasn't it wasn't in the murder. Mark was it I I think it might have been Tara King. I think I think you might be a tower king and therefore any the to before but on the other hand I still think two point stands which is the avengers these fancy suddenly suddenly by the time Tara King comes along and yet doom watches firmly rooted in the reality of here and now and yeah and we've got a thirteen year old who is familiar with the concept of computer data I think I think actually it was well well. I don't think they people understood what they did. I mean I I don't remember the timeline of this. I looked into this once for. I don't remember why just because I'm in computers at one point this literally involved putting data into Holler with cards and then basically lining up to see how many holes matched well. That's like the earliest earliest form of computer matching. They just punched out like to match eight holes income in common so you to or not not remotely Algorithm Glee scientific at all just no. I loved the idea that you know in an era when a computer would take up an entire room. You'd be thinking right. What can we use this machine gene for most usefully fast? You know yes exactly ABS- needed there. Is something something about the survey. Now that you mention it fridge said something credibly truthful in this episode. Is it something to the effect of I find that the questions in a survey reveal much about the person asking the questions it does the the person who's answering the questions and he's a very clear implication there that and source test is extremely biased without actually saying you know he's looking for violence and he's looking for the combination the nation to make that and he's he's raised it and while I can't tell you how many times not for that particular topic but over the years and in my professional career where people make surveys and you could just you could just look at them and go this is not going to give you valid results this is this is is going to give you the results that you want and I don't know whether they realized that and just following that path or whether or not it's subconscious conscious or unconscious bias towards making data. That's wrong in the end. It's not valid. I don't know what it is but I think we know in source probably intentionally loading it in this episode so all right that it all right in that case. I believe the next episode is the Iron Dr which sounds really promising that sounds like one hasn't it it. Could it could very well be silent. Thank you for joining me. It's my pleasure as a ways and listeners. Do Hope you'll join us again next time on fusion patrol you've been listening to fusion patrol a listener supported broadcast find out how you can be a sponsor and get early access to all episodes and more at Patriotair Dot com slash fusion patrol. Come join the conversation on facebook or twitter. All episodes are available at fusion patrol dot Com. Our music is fight the future by Amber Wolf. This has been a lone

Stephen Franklin Dr Quist hardcastle Gatwick sore United States John Ridge murder T scientist Stevens Dr Chantrey writer Mellon I baseball Pepsi reporter BBC
Mondays Houston Matters: Covid-19 Update, Women In Politics, And Inside The Brain (Aug. 31, 2020)

Houston Matters

53:02 min | 8 months ago

Mondays Houston Matters: Covid-19 Update, Women In Politics, And Inside The Brain (Aug. 31, 2020)

"Will. Last week's temporary evacuations and the start of some in person classes in some schools around the region push recently declining covid nineteen numbers back up I'm Craig Cohen. Today on Houston matters we asked. Dr. Amir. Executive Director of Harris County Public Health also this hour the women who have shaped politics in Houston Texas and nationwide in the century since the nineteenth amendment was ratified. Then how our brains absorbed experience in redeployed to allow us to do what we do and be who we are neuroscientist and former Houston Ian. David. Eagle men explains plus the games played last week were overshadowed by those that weren't what the response to the police shooting of Jacob Blake tells us about changing times and attitudes in Pro Sports. We'll start with the news update from NPR Eddie Robinson catches up on what matters to Houston today and then we'll check in with Dr Shaw stay with US This is Houston matters I'm Craig Cohen Good Morning this hour how women have shaped politics in the century since the nineteenth amendment was ratified how our brains absorb experience and redeployed to allow us to do what we do and be who we are plus what the sports worlds response last week to the police shooting of Jacob Blake tells us about changing times and attitudes in Pro Sports. First Up, let's check in with news eighty, eight, Seventy Robinson with some of what matters to Houston today covert nineteen related and otherwise Good Morning Eddie Good Morning Craig. Happy Monday to you a new this morning five. Of Houston's city council members are calling for an overhaul the city's Independent Police Oversight Board those council members are Edward Power Tiffany Thomas Gerry Davis Martha CASTEX's Tatum and Caroline Evans. Shabazz. You know they sent a letter this morning saying they have no confidence in the current format of that Oversight Board. So they're calling for complete autonomy access to all unclassified information from the Houston Police Department and calling for more than two dozen reforms to hp all this Craig as the city's heading into contract negotiations with the Police Officers Union, we'll be monitoring that story to see how all the whole that shapes up. Crews are cranking up chainsaws to falling trees and patching rooftops. This morning as residents try to recover in the aftermath of Hurricane Laura, as you just heard on NPR news, the Houston Food Bank says it's been communicating with a group of partners since Laura made landfall last week to assist those families and residents in parts of Texas and southwestern portions of Louisiana. Get back on their feet over. The weekend. The network of food banks has been sending trucks of water cleaning supplies and ready to eat food out to Beaumont also to Vinton. Louisiana they're also helping to store three truckloads of frozen product in Louisiana as hundreds of thousands of customers in our never our neighboring state are still without power many evacuees from both states are returning to survey damage to their homes and businesses. Texas continues to see a steady decline in covert nineteen hospitalizations and deaths. Also, the number of new cases each day has been fallen, but the state is still not back in the position. It was previously end before the summer wave of coronavirus cases piled up zooming and locally here Craig in the Houston region things were sort of looking to improve, but it seems we're right back to seeing more infections I'll listen into your update with our local health leader. Dr Marshawn just a few minutes meanwhile sylvester me our mayor Sylvester Turner does plan to have a briefing this afternoon at three with the latest efforts to help prevent the spread of the. Virus and then lastly, Cregg could looks like the Corona viruses impacted baseball the Oakland A.'s have had one member of its organization has positive for Cova Nineteen causing yesterday's three game finale against the Astros at minute maid park to be postponed. The as said the team conducted corona virus testing and contact tracing for their entire traveling entourage, and that the team would suffice elite here in Houston with recommended safety precautions in place so so far in major league baseball at nine, hundred nine has now postponed about thirty eight games. This season drake. Thank you very much. In fact, we're GONNA talk a little bit more about that later in the hour as well. And as Eddie Robinson just eluded to the number of new daily cases of covid nineteen and a seven day rolling average both ticked up in Harris. County over the weekend after almost two weeks of declines will last week's temporary evacuations due to Laura and the start of some in person classes in some schools around the region push those numbers back up. Let's talk through it with Dr Earshot Executive Director of Harris County Public Health Doctor Shaw Good Morning. Good Morning Craig. Thanks for having me. Sure. First of all what can you tell us about? These new daily cases of Covid nineteen and what we saw happened over the weekend a little bit of a tick up after some period of decline here. Yeah. So you know again, we continue to watch what's happening both in the Community as well as in the healthcare setting and so Eddie's rights at what the numbers are. It looks like we were making a nice head of steam coming in the right direction, and then it's it's not that we have a reverse any of those friends but it does look like we did have a couple blips off both and hospitalizations, but also in continue to have a high number of cases that are being confirmed on a daily basis. So these are these are continuing to remind us that we're not out of the woods yet. Are you seeing any particular trends either in terms of who is developing covid nineteen or where they live within Harris County. Yeah. So again, great question there there are a couple things that were were noting one in terms of demographics we continue to see in our let the community especially, our younger Hispanic community we we are seeing increased numbers that continues to be a significant concern for all of us The the other thing that we're noticing is really based on certain ZIP codes, certain areas of the community where we are higher numbers. Now, it's hard to know again if those higher numbers in those zip codes are because that's where. We are having more testing or if there's some, you know some other activities that are going on, that's driving those numbers up but we are seeing some increases, for example, in south east side of Harris County. We are some in the inner city core and then even some that are that are occurring in the in the northern part of Harris County. So we're watching some things not enough to to give the specifics here's why it's happening but certainly, what concerns us some folks and some of those areas had to evacuate last week. Ahead of Laura, what impact might those evacuations and now returns have in the coming weeks? Do we know? Yeah. So a couple things. So first of all because, of Laura, are both at the county in the city are are testing operations were disrupted. Right? We had to dismantle all of our testing because we were very concerned about Laura potentially hitting our community and and had to both are stationary as well as their mobile testing sites had to interrupt those for a couple of days and then put those back up and so as we put those backup than. We started seeing heat indices that were in the one hundred and five, hundred, thousand, seven, hundred, and eight degree level and any time. It's above one, hundred and five. We actually have to curtail or operations. So we've had weather that's played havoc wreck havoc on our US throughout. But then as people evacuate fortunately, not as many had to evacuate in Harris County the that we had, we were there folks that had to evacuate from elsewhere into our community that otherwise would. Would change some things? So it's too early to tell us the bottom line. Obviously, we're going to always said, you know it's that five seven day mark So sometime, this week into next week, we should start to see if the numbers start to change but one thing Craig is the continued disturbing trend is that we have decrease demand at our testing. So people are not going to get tested. This is a local state and national phenomenon. We don't know why but we Want encourage everybody to go ready Harris DOT ORG or call eight, three, two, nine, two, seven, seven, five, seven, five, eight, three, two, nine, two, seven, seven, five, seven, five again testing remains the foundation when we know where people test positive, that's when we can start to interrupt transmission. How about the start of school in at least some schools K. through twelve or hired offering in person classes how might that impact the numbers that we'll see not just this week but in the coming weeks Well as you know here's Candy Public Health has come out very strongly that we feel still that transmission in our community is is too high for us to safely go back to in person activities. Nevertheless, there are school districts that were learning are planning on on moving forward. So what I would say is that anytime you get kids together or people together in general, but kids especially in school. Settings that always gives you the potential for a further increase in transmission. Now, time will tell what that's GonNa look like now we've we have a school reopening task force that we've put together to help our school districts and we're hopeful that we can work together with our school district so that we do have wherever reopening occurs that it's not just reopening, but it's sustained reopening that you don't have to close schools back. Big Picture, now, what other factors might influence how effective we are slowing the spread of covid nineteen as we head into the fall. Yeah well, you know election season's coming and I'll have to put this out there I mean Craig this is a very concerning time. You know politics oftentimes and you know can can play some some tricks on all of us, and we are concerned about how this may play out the CDC is you know just last week made a pronouncement that I came out. Very strongly against saying that people who are ASE symptomatic do not need to get tested or even those who may have been exposed to a confirmed case may not need to get tested and that's absolutely the wrong message, and so we don't know why how things will will shake out with the presidential election. Obviously, elections elsewhere political season is is just about the head in September. October and that is something we have to watch. The other thing is that flu season is coming and so We don't know how flu season's going to play out in the Southern Hemisphere. It does look like because individuals have been we think wearing masks and doing all sorts of other things to to you know stay stay ahead of Kobe nineteen that has decreased transmission of. Flu So, those are the two things were watching and obviously the other is the covid vaccine and Again, depending on who you ask there there is a potential for some availability of vaccine by the end of this year. But again, we're still looking at likely twenty twenty one before we had vaccine available doctrinaire. Shaw's the executive director of Harris County Public Health. Doctor. Shaw. Thanks very much. Thanks for having Craig appreciate it. Up next women have been on a major party ticket. Now, three of the last four presidential election cycles have we entered a period when that will simply be the norm we consider that and how women have shaped politics in the century since ratification of the nineteenth amendment here in Houston across Texas nationwide stay with US Houston matters. This is Houston Matters, I'm Craig Cohen Throughout the month we've had conversations exploring the impact of women in politics from the history of the suffrage movement in Houston across Texas nationwide to women in leadership roles in US politics today from the speaker of the US House to Cabinet positions to once again a woman on a major party presidential ticket for the third time in the last four presidential elections if we. Entered a period when that will simply be the norm. We wrap up this centennial month of the Nineteenth Amendment with a look at how women have shaped politics in Houston across Texas and throughout the nation in one hundred years since that amendment codifying women's right to vote was ratified joining us now is Dr Leandra Czar an assistant professor in the History Department at the University of Houston Leander Welcome to the program. Mining Craig, great to be here and glad to have you with us as we chat obviously. There are so many figures who have influenced Houston Texas and US politics so many women in so many ways were we're not gonNA just. List off all of them over the next ten or twenty minutes. But we do welcome any suggestions that any listener has of women. You'd like to know more about from Houston Texas or US political history of the last hundred years or so and we'll talk at least a bit about them. Call us at seven, one, three, four, four, zero, eight, thousand, eight, seventy. You can email us at talk at Houston Matters Dot Org. I guess let's start with a little bit more about the nineteenth amendment, and this is a conversation that we've had kind of all month here and there on the show but. While that amendment made it clear that women could not be denied the right to vote based on their gender I. Think we need to start by pointing out that many women were still denied the vote under a variety of other pretenses for a long time in particular here in Texas women of Color, in particular facing Jim Crow Laws White Primary Laws poll taxes, tests intimidations. So it's not like the nineteenth amendment was passed and that was the end of it. Absolutely. So the nicest amendment did not lead to full voting access for all and I think that that's really really important to mention that for women of color and many poor women than nineteenth amendment was an empty promise and the nineteen sixty five voting rights act was the real achievement in fact, dorothy height who was president of the National Council of Negro underscored this in nineteen, sixty five she said fifty years ago women got the vote but it took lynching bombing civil rights movement and the Voting Rights Act Together for black women and black people and I. think that's really important to note you know woman in Texas gain the right to. Vote in primaries in nineteen eighteen, and Texas was actually the first southern states have ratified the nineteenth. Amendment on June Twenty Eighth Nineteen Nineteen African American women had actively participated in the suffrage campaign, but in separate suffrage club and they actively tested their voting rights in nineteen twenty, and in fact to local historians and Sloan and Chapman has been leading a team over at the Heritage Society through it to actually trace all of the two thousand plus women who voted in nineteen twenty and many of them are African American. So I really heard all of you who feel comfortable to go over to exhibit that will be believed around until March. But what a huge barrier you know was put in place in Texas and that is the white primary and especially Democratic leadership and rank and file in in Texas who were white for those that were able to actually vote after the nineteen twenty moments and this really held in place on Pelvis Supreme Court of the United States in Smithfield. Alright nightmare forty, four said that's not okay. Poll taxes were applied nationally through the mid sixty s and locally here, and this is actually why the tax office is involved in our in our voting registration still today. So it's been a long. Very uneven? Road to full universal suffrage for women and all Americans really. I sense that the period between about one, thousand, nine, twenty, and nine, hundred, sixty, five. That while there were women who were pioneers and made inroads into. Improving circumstances for women and exerting political power even here in Texas through that period they're just not that well known are as well known or as studied as maybe they should be can can you point to any example some the that you think maybe? We should all know a little bit more about. Well Craig I wish I could but I'm actually quite new detectives on learning everyone. Okay well. I actually know a little bit more about the national story but again, tell you is that University of Houston's done a wonderful job of also calling together some of these stories and there's Great Exhibit Online Right Now that highlights people like many Fisher Cunningham who was the local giant you know in the suffrage movement and became really important in politics. As well, and we also have in Houston I think an important part of this legacy is a nineteen seventy, seven National Women's conference, and we're starting to actually together some of those biographies to and people that came out of that conference in our local politics certainly are figures like Ann Richards but what I'd like to draw attention to is that on the Local to national stage, it was very difficult for women to actually transition from voting power to political power, and this struggle has actually outlasted how long it took to get the vote. So it was about a seventy plus year struggle from the eight hundred, forty four forward to get the ratification of the nineteenth amendment, and then immediately women moved in in every place in. Politics from Republicans to Socialists, who Democrats they wanted to get a seat at the table and we still do not have parody in the united. States we just hit around a quarter in the Senate and over one hundred in house, and this is also the most diverse group of woman in Congress and our US history over thirty percent women of colored but. It's taken many many years to get a seat at the table, and in fact, in nine hundred, seventy, one, the National Women's Political Caucus, which was a new nonpartisan group that was trying to get women into politics. They predicted that in two, thousand, eight, hundred, twenty there would be fifty fifty gender representation in Congress and they reconstituted that goal and we're not gonNA make it. So one thing that a lot of historians that are into politics are. Thinking about right now is why did it take on tell twenty twenty percent her comma Harris to be a Democratic v P pick and what we're noticing is that women have been given a stool not a ladder all the way through since nineteen twenty and I'm drawing focus to historian Paul Baker words there that we still have this enduring political leadership ideal that is predominantly white male as that we're having to can with at the moment. I want to get to more recent examples and And talk a little bit more about some of the national figures. But since you said, you're you're you're new to the area I'm going to mention just a few that that I know about that, go back to the the twenty through the sixties and I also want to take a call that we have on the line about one of them and we'll get to that in a moment. The first one that occurred to me was Ma Ferguson who was elected governor of Texas back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, twenty, four on an anti KKK movement she appointed. Me Hard Is. The first Texas Female Secretary of State. She also famously brought in retired Texas Rangers, down Bonnie, and Clyde. Edith Willmann was elected to the Texas legislature in nineteen twenty to. Nineteen, twenty, six, marching neal was the first woman elected to the Texas Senate and there weren't any other women elected to either until Nineteen forty-six, a twenty year gap there. You also mentioned one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, five earlier, a woman doesn't get elected to Congress from Texas until nineteen, sixty five, that's when Lira Thomas. was elected to her late husband's seat. and. An African American woman elected to the Texas House or Senate until Barbara Jordan in nineteen, sixty six and that's Somebody that Denise Galleria area wants to know more about denise what what else would you like to know? More Good Morning I just wondering if you could speak to her legacy and all. Her platform as far as. How much she went into the area early politics in general. You know having an actionable American woman in the place that she said. Okay. Great. Thanks for the call and and for. That question. And Again Barbara Jordan becomes a national figure not just well known here in Houston. What more can you tell us about Barbara? Jordan? So I mean Barbara Jordan is an incredible figured I think that we're going to hear a lot more about her because there's some biographies being written currently She was huge on the national scale especially because she demonstrated incredible leadership during the Watergate scandal and was one of two decisive women lawyers sitting alongside Elizabeth Holtzman this area, committee and ask. Really focused questions during the impeachment hearing that ultimately led President Nixon to resign. So she was very strong on on thinking about what is justice and what is democracy looked like and I think that her leadership in that moment is extremely important to her legacy. Another elements about Barbara Jordan that I want to draw focus to is her Her leadership during the nightly seventy, seven National Women's conference a happened here in Houston, and she during that conference made an important speech where she links. Women's rights and human? Rights. And that was quite important in the moment of nine, hundred, seventy seven because throughout the globe there was a lot of conversation about human rights and so she brought gender into the equation and said, you can't have one without the other and I think that that was a phenomenal moment of leadership on her part as well. Another civil rights pioneer here in Houston I think we we should mention who was active really for much of the first fifty years after the nineteen th amendments ratified was Cristiano Daniels Dare African American who fought to desegregate everything from the Houston Library to the airport to hospitals public transit, and even department store dressing rooms, and of course, there are other figures, some of which we know and some of which we don't know, and that's part of the part of the issue is. How Much Jim Crow Laws and and society at the time sort of kept some of these names from the history books. This is Houston matters on Craig. Cohen were discussing some of the women who have had a significant influence not just in Houston in Texas but US politics in the century since ratification of the nineteenth amendment, my guest Dr. Leandra. Sarno an assistant professor in the History Department at the University of Houston. This is one of the few conversations we've had about women in politics in the centennial month of that amendment's ratification. We welcome your examples or suggestions of women who we should recognized. For their accomplishments in politics weather here in Houston or elsewhere in the twentieth and Twenty First Century share your examples at talk at Houston matters dot org or call us at seven one, three, four, zero, eighty, eight, seventy, I guess Doctors Arnaud. We could the Texas woman who's maybe had the most influence on the political world over the last century could be an El Paso Native Sandra Day O'Connor the first woman on the US Supreme Court should we include her in this discussion? Definitely the courts matter and I think that there's a real connection between the way in which women have been pushing for their space in politics and also law, and so we see an opening that happens in in the law schools you know in the late nineteen sixties and early nineteen seventies and We see the same thing happening in in politics I don't think that it's on insignificant that those come together and a lot of women in politics were very strongly promoting and advocating within government for a woman to be appointed to the Supreme Court throughout the Nineteen Seventies. I President Nixon the number of justices and made a kind of public. The possibility that he might point, but then it comes to you know President Ronald Reagan You know really making that's a big leap and so yes, absolutely those two connections should be made a lot of early separatists were were lawyers to and I think that's important to remember as well. You mentioned the name earlier that certainly became well known nationwide and probably many Texans. Think of when they think of women in Twentieth Century Politics and that's an richards, the former Texas governor in last Democrat to hold a statewide office in Texas back in the early nineties. What do you see as her legacy nationally? Well I think that her very straight talking smart representation was. For Women. Nationally, to see that hinds of leadership and that kind of spunk that she had So that I feel is very important to acknowledge. But the other thing is legacy. She took her time moving through politics and what motivated. You know by other women that were going before her and some just GONNA come back to Houston again in that night and seventy seven National Women's conference. She actually introduced the equal rights amendment in that was. A moment that was solidifying for the IRA and she was handpicked vise I'll absorbed who was the presiding officer and One great thing that we can learn from oral histories is when an Richard says, well, it with like the Queen. Summoning me, you know to her her prone basically was very excited to have this this role and. That was one moment that really sparks her continue in continued interest in politics because she had a very small local office in in that year of thirty seven. So sometimes, it's also seeing women in politics all around you and having that venture ship from days. National leaders that were already there. Just as the nineteenth amendment was an idea generations in the making equal rights amendment was also and the idea of federal era. Really was introduced back or became. Some consideration back in the nineteen S. It was introduced but failed to gain passage in the Texas legislature in one, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty, nine. What's the status of the? Today. I mean we know the Virginia just passed it in January. But what where where does it really stand at this point? Right so It's in the in. Congress. At this moment and the House did in fact, support moving the Yarra forward and actually extending the deadline because basically a three states short in nineteen eighty-two. But we have since had three states ratify the problem is the Senate and so that's where the era has stalled and we'll see what happened post post twenty money, and also there could be some some more legal question marks not just over the the idea of those deadlines. But also I believe there were five states where the legislatures then later voted to rescind their passage. Absolutely. Yeah. So. Murkiness. That's right. Nationwide, who who do you point to as maybe the most critical, most influential women in national politics period of the last hundred years. Well, that's the way to parlor game that you're going forward and I actually think that one thing that historians really trying to do with this suffered centennial is to actually move away from that kind of question and to focus more on a commemoration than a celebration and to really reevaluate. Who are towering figures and so one thing that we're doing right now is trying to shift the story path. Susan B. Anthony and Katie, stanton to I would probably have mentioned a couple years back and this imparts the reason that we focus so much on an an stanton is that they wrote a multi volume history of women's suffrage and place themselves at the center and so historians using this centennial as the occasions of broaden this story to include you know early farmers and mill workers, women of color advocating for the their their voting rights alongside race and gender lines and new immigrants who saw this as a fundamental. Voting as a fundamental part of being an. American. We're trying to pay attention to a much fuller picture and trying not to just name You know the really outstanding people like the aspects you know I wrote a book on her. Part of this problem, I do think that she was one of the major figures and Richard Certainly but what about other stories beyond? So it was and so one of my a recent discoveries and and heroes that I would draw focus to. Is someone named. Roselle. Eaten So she grew up in North Carolina she's really an example I think of. Voting Rights Sojourner. We have local examples of rosental eating here too but basically, in nineteen, forty two, she outwitted the Jim. Crow disenfranchisement tactics to catcher first ballot. She was the Valedictorian of her high school. So when the, you know local officials after to pass one test reciting the preamble of the Constitution, she could easily do it. So she was able to outwit you know some of those access points. That made it impossible for women it's colored vote but then again, in two, thousand, thirteen at ninety, three years old she was unable to vote because she had a driver's license that had a different spelling of her name than or you know another form, of ID, and so she clement circumvents the voter ID laws that were put in place more recently, and so she took this you know particular case. To Court and she won and so she had to live through to moments in her life where she was disenfranchised and so I think this is really an important story to focus on in in twenty twenty S. we're really dealing with voting access and fair political representation problems and you know seeing the voting rights act really highly threatened and so to bring our focus back to the courts and to. Think about how courts and politics are super intertwine. We have to remind ourselves of shelby versus holder the twenty thirteen supreme court decision that circumvented the voting rights act of nineteen, sixty five by basically wing who were the bad offenders and sixty four to two. No longer have oversight when it comes to changing roading access and procedures today. So essentially, twenty thirteen with Shelby Beholder Supreme Court decision encouraged a new wild west. in voting access and I think that's important to think about how many court tests are under way right now and how many will be moving forward and how people like Rosenello eaten are behind these test cases. We Anders, Arnaud is an assistant professor in the history. Department at the University of Houston. Doctors are thanks very much. Next how our brains absorbed experience and redeployed to allow us to do what we do and be who we are. neuroscientist. David Eagle men explains Houston matters continues. This is Houston matters. I'm Craig Cohen Former Houston Dr David. Eagle man has always been fascinated by how our brains work. It's led him to a career in neuroscience including a decade directing a research lab at Baylor College of Medicine. He also hosted a twenty fifteen series on pbs called simply the brain and he's written books and articles about how this most complex organ of ours works including his latest just out titled Livewired, the Inside Story of the ever changing brain David Eagle men welcome back to Houston matters. Greg. Great here. And as we chat, we welcome your questions and comments about the human brain, how it works and specifically how our life experiences influence how our brain is programmed. You can join our conversation at seven, one, three, four, four, zero, eight, thousand, eight, seventy, or email talk at Houston matters dot org a most of the organs in our body serve one or maybe a few particular functions and certainly adjust to conditions in our bodies, our our hearts and kidneys and livers function well or not pretty much depending on what we introduced to them over a lifetime. But the brain is different, right? It's sort of shaping itself as we interact with the world how? Yeah. That's right. I you know the term in our field is plasticity brain plasticity in that refers to being able to reshape itself in hold onto that shape. But what I suggest what I suggested my new book actually is that. That term may be insufficient because your brain is changing itself throughout its entire life. Every you've got eighty, six billion neurons and you have trillions of connections between them and this whole dynamic electric living fabric is constantly changing and reconfiguring, plugging, and unplugging and. Re plugging in. So that's why introduced the term live wired to distinguish it from. Hardware and software, which is how we build I now live in. Silicon. Valley. In everything here is about hardware and software layers but. What's happening the grains actually fundamentally different it's a machine that's rewriting itself. Every moment of your life. So it's not so much an operating system that gets an upgrade so much as it upgrades itself is that the the you? In Valley Metaphor. Yeah I mean that's right. It's upgrading itself. It's adjusting itself to the world so that it can optimize function within the world. It adjusts to the body plan and it has it adjusts to the senses that it's equipped with. And it adjusts all of its circuitry. To be good at the tasks that are relevant to you, and as you get veteran veteran particular things that you're actually burning deeper and deeper into the circuitry so that you can do it. Rapidly efficiently. So. Then how much of what happens is our in our brains is nature and how much is nurture Yeah, good question. It turns up the whole nature nurture debate is dead because it's both everything that we look at is both you come into the world with a certain a certain set of genes, certain hand of cards that you can play with and from there everything is about the experiences that you have, and so that sends you off on very different trajectories given the experience that you have in the world so. I was in the Texas Medical Center in two thousand one, the Human Genome Project was completed and we were all so enthusiastic about that but boy it turned out that that sort of underwhelmed as far as giving us the scientific answers that we wanted and the reason is because genes is only a small part of the story and from there the other half of the story you can't. Write down in a textbook because it's everything around you all of your experiences. Your language culture, your beliefs of this stuff is the other half of what wires up your brain. Well let's let's dive into some examples of all of this. When someone has a stroke or suffers from dementia we talk about how certain brain synapses certain networks don't fire don't connect and that affects memory or communication or physical abilities. But if a brain is in this constant state of potentially being rewired and adapts to experiences does that mean that? Yes, we can. Absolutely, if we figure out how to do it, rewire brains to overcome some of that and can maybe dive into some examples of that. Yeah it turns up. This is one of the most important lessons that has emerged in neurosciences about. Keeping, cognitively fit and challenging your brain you're actually building new roadways that way and so there's a one long-term, study? has been going on for decades where a number of nuns living in convents have donated their brains when they die and it was discovered an autopsy that some fraction of these nuns had Alzheimer's disease it was physically ravaging their brain but nobody knew it. When they were alive, they didn't have the cognitive deficits that were expected and it turns out. It's because until the day they died, they were cognitively challenged the. George responsibilities, they were dealing with other people all the time they were playing games they were doing things as opposed to. often when people retire and their lives shrink and they end up watching jerry springer on the couch and they have, they're not cognitively challenging themselves. It makes all the difference because as their brain was physically falling apart they were building new bridges all the time. And so this is one of the main lessons. About cognitive fitness always challenging yourself always finding ways to. to to face new challenges, and by the way a side note, I would say that this is perhaps the single silver lining to this to the coronavirus pandemic that we're facing is that all of us have been kicked off our path of least resistance, the brain is trying to make an internal model of the world. So it can operate efficiently within the world, and that's what we all do that. Also sort of have diminishing plasticity because we sort of figured out the world and we can optimize a function but. What's happened is we've all been kicked off are hamster wheel and we've been forced to be much more creative, and obviously this comes a lot of stress and anxiety but boy, it's really been good for the brain. Could we apply that sort of thinking also to to how we respond to social developments the pandemic aside? Up until now, our brains were wired maybe to look at the world a certain way but now there's this new information and that causes these new pathways. Not, just to reconfigure how we respond to a health crisis but also how we look at. Issues related to race and ethnicity, and maybe potentially influence our worldview is that possible here? Yeah it is possible. You know it's interesting because. As I said, plasticity diminishes with age and in part because we are making a model of the world around us, each of us in the sense becomes a vessel of our space and time in other words you're a little sampling of the experiences that you've had I have mine and so on. Happily, there is still adult, Disney though AL can change in in many ways and and so we're all experiencing that in many ways, and of course, over the next fifty years or so we'll have. Many more changes to look forward to. Let's take a call. We have Roberto on the line from the Museum district what's your question? Yes a few. Go. I. Heard that you lawn Moscow has a idea about inserting chips in the brain. To detect conditions such as of. Dementia in the. Beginning stages and. Others, have you heard anything about his idea? What do you think about it? Thanks for the call Dr Ego I. Yeah This is an area I know well the. The idea is people who've been implanting electrodes in the brain for a number of decades now, and what he's come up with is a way of doing that a little bit better. So instead of just sticking electricity and you essentially so electrodes in you have machinery that avoids blood vessels this way. So it's essentially a different degree of the same thing we've been doing but what it gives is an ability to actually measure from. something like a thousand neurons little cells in the brain at once which is terrific. So it's it's better technology the story behind neuro link. That's got a lot of attention is hey, maybe we'll all get the brain implants at some point. I don't see that happening possibly in our in our lifetimes, and that's because for clinical uses, this is extremely useful but it's not clear that consumers are GonNa go in and get an open head surgery or that surgeons are going to do that because there's always risk of infection and death on the table just so that you can interface with your phone faster or something. So quickly, it's going to be very useful when it when it finally hits the market plus science fiction has taught us this is how the robot wars start so. Brain implants. That's where I think a lot of people. It's just the very notion of it is like. No I don't think so. What's interesting? What's interesting is that there's a sense in which. Anything we passer is in her ears and so on. It's just one step removed I mean any books that you read or any video that you watch is getting into your brain that way So in a sense, we're influenced by all of the politics and culture around us and it's not that different from. Having brain implant. Well is setting aside the implant notion if you want to read more about this idea of maybe the notion that plasticity is maybe an outdated term you can read more about it in livewired the inside story of the ever changing brain authors Dr. David. ECHELMAN. Doctor going thanks for talking with us. Thanks talk to him. Games that were played last week were overshadowed by those that weren't what the response to Jacob Blake shooting tells us about changing times and attitudes in pro sports that Houston matters continues. The games that were played. Last week were overshadowed by the Games that were not in response to the police shooting of Jacob. Blake in Kenosha Wisconsin and the response to that to discuss Houston's pro sports teams reacted and what it signals about the changing role athletes see themselves playing today we're joined now as we are each Monday by Jeff Baulky, who writes for you and the Houston Press. Good? Morning Jeff. Morning Greg. We've seen playoff games postponed in basketball and hockey close to a dozen baseball games postponed some cases. Players never take the field in some. They've observed a moment of silence and then left the field. This is, of course, is separate from those games cancelled due to positive covid nineteen tests, and we'll get to that what makes this different from past generations of protest and sports and how is it similar? Well, that's a really good question. I think the biggest difference is that it is spread across the entire sports. World is just isolated to a single sport. It is an isolated to a group of players This is something that has become universal among athlete As you mentioned, we've seen it start with the NBA, but then it spread pretty quickly to you know baseball and hockey and into soccer and as well into professional tennis This is not something that is. You know in the past when we had protests. Sort of small isolated events usually a single player or a group of players maybe a league might take it on themselves to produce some sort of attribute to something or protests against something. But for the most part, you didn't see this happen like universally across the board with sports as a whole and I just shows you what kind of a different year twenty twenty is. A what would you say to those and there are certainly some out there you don't have to look far the comments section of any article about any of this. Who argue the players should not be injecting politics into sports? What are they missing? Will mine simple argument to that would be you shouldn't inject politics into work you shouldn't inject politics into your conversations with your friends politics universal. It is not a something that ends when you cross the lines to get onto the field across the lines to get onto a basketball court. These are human being the vast majority of which you are also, Americans who have the right to express their selves under our Constitution and they have a platform in which they feel. They can express themselves because they have a position of power in terms of their fame and and how well known they are, and it's no different than someone who is. An activist wanted to do this or someone who was just a regular member of society and given the the nature of some of the more incredible things that we've seen in this year from the corona viruses the social justice protests, the deaths of black men at the hand women at the hands of police you can't who can blame them, and by the way what could be more American than raising your voice in protest against something that you see goes against what our democratic ideals should be in your mind. So to me anybody who says, they should just shut up and play well, then maybe they need to do the same. The Houston Rockets did play game five Oklahoma City thunder after it was postponed a couple of times. Teams played Saturday the rockets one, one, fourteen to eighty game six is scheduled for tonight at eight. The rockets enclosed the series out with a win game five was not without some on-court controversy. Oklahoma City's Dennis Schroder delivered a low blow to the rockets PJ. Tucker. Who responded with a slight headbutt both players were ejected should either see additional punishment. I don't think they will. Once they review it. I re watched it yesterday and looked at it a little more closely I'm not sure Schroeder was intentionally trying to. Strike TJ below the belt as it were and I'm not even sure PJ. Tucker was trying to pull on head but Schroeder I think this was just a case of a heated thing in the moment you know this happened the other day was Chris Paul. He had you know done the same thing in a previous game. I think there's a little tension between these guys So it's not too surprising that this might happen but I'm not sure it warrants much more than what they got, which was objections which frankly Was Bad for both teams really, and both of those players played a pivotal role all the probably worse for Oklahoma City considering shorter was the only one pro casey that thing to be able to shoot. The Houston Astros postponed three games this past week to to join in protests one due to a positive covid nineteen test in the Oakland, A.'s organization any idea winter how that game will be made up. They're not sure yet. They're not even sure when the Astros are going to be back. Tomorrow if they can clear all their testing that they would be able to resume, play it's so tough in a see him like this when you have. you know only sixty games to be played in a very short period of time. It's so difficult. I'm sure that will probably happen. They do play the as again that season I'm sure they'll make it up in some sort of a double header down the road. you know, but it is going to be tough to squeeze in all these Games. I mean they've they've already put themselves behind the eight ball and they've already played multiple doubleheaders as it is D-. Alluding to this is there the potential that this one positive test in the as organization could impact the Astros scheduled this week. It could. Yeah, it depends on they have to get their their test results back, and if they all come back negative, then it shouldn't they should be able to you know. They should be able to squeeze in all their games they need to squeeze in. Now it's they find out that they have a positive test. Well, that's a different story In that case then my guess is you could see them shut down for several days possibly even up to we we saw that happen earlier this season with a couple of teams. including, the cardinals cough track. But. But, you do see that has happened a little bit. I will say that baseball has seemed to be able to clamp down on the virus spread. Since we saw those early outbreaks, we haven't really seen any more significant outbreak composite testing. So it looks like they kind of clamp down on that a little bit, but we'll just have to watch what happens to the extras here the next day or so in between postponements the astros to three from the angels last week and won a pair against the as. They're in second place in the Al West essentially halfway through the shortened season. How would you characterize the Astros first? Half. Well it was a lot of ups and downs. There were a lot of. Problems, we've seen hotel to not be the Jose Altuve as we recognize from years past we've seen some pitching obviously injuries and fairly significant ones but we've also seen a lot of young. Players kind of step up. We've seen some out of the come out of the bullpen. We've seen from Valdez put together. You know his best season as a pro. And I think the biggest thing that we have seen through this first half is the emergence of Kyle Tucker as a legitimate everyday starting major league baseball player I think there are a lot of people who were worried about him because he was sort of taking his time to sort of get here and and make his way of simply forgetting that Alex Bregman had had the same thing happened to. Him when he first came up, but Tucker is certainly managed to find his own and he is on a a real serious hot streak at the moment hitting with power and with average and I think that's a really positive sign to the Astros going forward. Jeff Balk joins US each Monday. To offer some context about the goings on in Houston sports yellow rights for the Houston Press and Houston Jeff thanks very much. Thank you greg. And that'll do it for today's show the Houston Matters Team includes Michael Hegarty Joshua's in breweries and Brenda Valdivia David Pittman. Is Our technical director don't forget today's the premiere of Town Square with Ernie Musette three o'clock on the hundred eight seven Ernie we'll talk with Harris County clerk, Chris. Hollins about voting and the upcoming elections. On Tomorrow's show will welcome your questions for Houston city council member, Dave Martin anything. You want to know about the city of Houston's efforts surrounding covid nineteen or really anything going in and around Houston as welcome you can email your questions now to talk at Houston. Matters Dot Org I'm Craig Cohen Join US tomorrow for that and other Houston matters.

Houston Craig Cohen Texas US University of Houston Houston Astros National Women Houston Police Department baseball Greg Houston Food Bank Harris County Laura Houston Jeff assistant professor Harris County Public Health President Nixon Dr Shaw
Rock's Backpages Ep. 73: James Fox on Keith Richards + Little Richard + Betty Wright + Pete Seeger

Rock N Roll Archaeology

1:10:48 hr | 1 year ago

Rock's Backpages Ep. 73: James Fox on Keith Richards + Little Richard + Betty Wright + Pete Seeger

"Welcome throats back pages. Podcast on Barney hoskyns and on my computer screen. I can see mop parental. Hi Bonnie and I can see just a Murison Bowie. Hello Bonnie can see our very special guest. James Fox Welcome. Hi Bonnie thank you lovely hit. We'll be talking to James about his long and lustrous career as a journalist and author particularly his association with Keith Richards. Splendid also biography life he essentially wrote. But we'll also be talking about late little Richard and about soul singer Betsy Wright who lost this week as well as about Pete seeger and folk ways records. But let's start James by asking you how you got into this writing racket in the first place. The earliest writing right journalism would. Yeah Yeah exactly exactly. Oh they wonderful emotional. I had a summer job on some newspaper and I went down to the print room and so these great running at this point whereas London job on the Observer. Oh remote bean as the old one by the river the L. One by the river. Yes we band was photographed in there once. Bonnie yes just offer closed that moved. The Observer to the became the up on the grazing road. They were all machines. Sterling that some mazing play. Well you get an emotional hit from this a smell of the anchor thing and I thought that that's for me terrible did it. So then I went to I got a job on the Manchester Evening News which was a real hard school and they didn't like me because I came from the smoke and I vividly remember my first day on the newsroom with them saying producing my first copy about some ambulance chasing story. Which is already about. Four silence fell over the newsroom. As the news editor office KID FROM THE SMOKE IS OUT. Sorta rubbish rubbishy right down in the smoke. Some excuse me said you had what I said. He said go back and do it again. So that was they. Were classic back to Work Again. So that was my initiation. I then went to Africa worked on newspapers especially in the end on drum magazine. Which was the Oh yeah extraordinary African magazine that came out of the townships and everything that was a that was a great experience. Just how did you come to go to Africa? Did they SONJI I I was. I was sort of really starry. Eyed kind of Pinko. Rosie Liberation theologists days or something and so if I go I got a job on the some sort of scheme of some old word of mouth on the Daily Nation in Nairobi and I was very much for you know new Africa freedom that stuff so I looked that and then I drove to Johannesburg like the Rand Daily Mail to my contacts. I was pretty young. I was still twenty. Twenty one and this is the big anti-apartheid newspaper. And then I got a coal from Jim Bailey. Who is the proprietor of Drum magazine? All over Africa. It wasn't just South Africa. It was Nigeria. Was GonNA come for us? And that was the most amazing Gig you could possibly have. I had a book of his drum magazine is absent. They cover things like Sharpeville Sokaia Melissa to stuff really good photographers and people working for. It is a bit like life magazine but for Black. Africa wasn't a photo essays and the extraordinary thing is that it was doing into the teeth of a party. And the police date so that you know you've got these exposes of prisons and so on and they let it go. I think because they thought we gotta know what's going on. This is almost the way we can find out. Did you get in trouble? It's up to you. I got into serious trouble and I. I was very reckless. Actually my experience on the Manchester Evening News where you just don't come back without a story had been sort of had to so we had the townships. Athol disposal amazing credible. The stories from this base were amazing and I tumbled in that and I got seriously involved with gangsters foods bug and which is what the Co colored township just insignia JIHANNESBURG and. I have to say to remember that period. That was a special bronx man for every civilian. I mean it was enormous. It was like the stars. It was a older Randomly Mail in the news had a counterpart at the next desk Welcome to the special so nothing and they thought I was very suspicious because I was. I had a keen registration played had an American possible. So you were born in America. I was born in America. So they did arrest me for in a township without a pause during my normal reporting and put me in the slammer which is the most terrifying spheres. I've still to this day of a hat. Because they look me up with his two. Afrikaner meths drinking guys. Who really didn't like me. You could probably couldn't just meths drinking. They rented in like me and they and they turned to kill me all night. It was terrifying. I couldn't connect to the if said actually being the shit out there would be no way. I could have got in touch them because it didn't work anyway. Finally off Tuesday's release but that was I and I was kicked out in the end. They let me go as it were an. I got a job on the Sunday. Times magazine in these wonderful years when all a lot of money a lot of talent or the photographers of great stories and I went everywhere from Vietnam to over Africa so on a road stores tastic including two the pieces that we're featuring this week James which I mean. I'm guessing so took you outside. Your normal connery. Met CENCI two pieces about the rolling stones and the first the MS focuses almost exclusively on kaethe whose extrordinary topography you later. Worked on with him. And I know you've written. I mean the other piece or other pieces were teaching. One would just adding a new library. But they're both about African music directly and tangentially. We may talk about that in a moment. Aside from when you wrote a piece about case in seventy three had written much I mean how did you come to write that piece about the stones and visit them? I came to write the piece. I was kind of general right. I was a feature writer on the Sunday Times Magazine and I play the guitar. I've always played tosses the age of twelve almost and I was fascinated by the guitar and to the point where I wanted to work out Keith. Played I couldn't I couldn't work it out. How did you get assigned? Nobody else was playing. I knew the Blues Plaza. Knew all this stuff I could play so I said to the Sunday Times. It's time that you know I did a piece. And they love the idea of a piece about these towns because it was all about drugs and get drugs in and McTaggart and then you could get a piece so I gotta go and see Keith. Richards didn't sign. GonNa ask him how he plays. The tunnel almost never heard of heard of Mick Jagger but he'd never been interviewed. He was too frightening. He was like you couldn't really approach him. He was like terrifying kind of crow with a missing tooth. Sort of black at anyway. I tracked him down to rehearsal. Rosatom said very timidly tentatively Oscar. How you play the guitar case. He said Oh I continue about that. He was in the middle of a deal yet. Sort of money coming out of his pocket. It seems counting and has what kind of a deal chose. Well in those those euphemisms like I would say. He was crushing aspirins onto his picked. It out there was a lot of that going on and then he told me and I knew exactly what he was talking about. And he said this is how it was total revelation fascinating real innovation and this piece came out called the side of the stones. Which you've got in the car and it had a funny. It had a funny effect. People thought fuck. What did you think of dig? Not so everyone started writing pieces about how you play. Some very lame pieces came out famous from bonus. And how they how they did. I thought the idea that you can you go there. And the paper merged you're gonNA come back with sort of big story. In a lot of Mick Jagger and you come back and you're talking about the open g tuning and five string guitars and how many can get talked. What's in New Manila Jeevan hot? Yes what did they say when he presents them with that? I think was so thrilled to get some sort of inside description of what the stones were up tune standoff you know the non interview with Mick Jagger people kept on trying to interview McTaggart never work since because the teepees running the first ones in seventy three which I think Barney and I regard as the tail end of the best period rolling stones. They may still lie. They were still pretty they were they. Were fantastic but then the second piece is seventy six and Bonnie you know we both went sales. Co. just as fascinating for us because he's just on the eve of that week of wells court shows and you know I mean you. You already kind of hinting in the pace the exactly firing on all cylinders outfit wanted to pick up on so that piece. I mean it really is a remarkable piece because Even even get places in the music press and it ties in with what we saw a fantastic about life. The book was where I mean so many people have told me about just as there's about three or four pages of just solid. It's like that bit in. This article. Sounds stuns just kind of blown up. It's four or five pages of just talking about James Talking about guitar and there's just it's just an example of what made that book so outstanding because it really was about it was about music and it was talking to a man he yes he's infamous scary and all of the things that you've alluded to but at this is a man is just an absolutely died in the wool. A musician and the put was so much about music. It was about lots of other stuff but so can you connect these pieces with the book and tell us how that Nice Little Gig came about. You've really put your finger on it because Keith. One thing he can do is communicate about music and he thinks about it all the time. That's his thing. And that went all the way through the book any communicated says you said what leaped out of that Sunday Times piece. How did you get a piece across with open g tuning when they did the extracts from the book said he is later? That was the bit. Times chose the extract and this is for readers who know nothing about the Guitar. Nothing about music but somehow the sort of passion comes through in very strange so I wrote that piece and we became friends a friendship floor so I have to say on the and Ville of pharmaceutical approach to request which did me no good absolutely and in those days it was a sort of cottage industry. I mean it was a suitcase not throat and stuff and not prime in stuff. You could step six days on this stuff. We're still talking about aspirins. Still talking about this is a family show. I know but anyway so we kept in touch over the years and we just. We obviously got on you know. When I became London he would meet up one day. I had one of those Rob Dreams where I've actually got a photograph taken of him and Patty. He just taken up with flying into Wembley for it. Just me Keith. Pass in a chopper. Right isn't happened to every two is Batman floating above Wembley Stadium which is already full of people already sound coming out waves of heat and sound coming up from this place. And then you SORTA hover down onto the singing run across across is quite extraordinary but the Corolla to it is. There was a train strike that day and I missed the connection back and I walked back hallway from Wendy's walks back this good position. I love it. Your friendship was innocent. We could save your life because quite a few people got quite close to Keith. Didn't make it out the other side. Well I don't see that touch of Keith. But right we kept in touch and also I knew that from my first meetings of that he was really good storyteller. A Rayleigh good Economy of phrase and he remembered everything and his memory is a very particular kind of memory which is is a really good novelist seeking remember what he felt then an accurately what he felt that. There's no filter you know and so for something like describing the tours with little Richard for example. It's still very very vivid and so I kept on persuading. We've got to get these stories to say I want to write the book. Said you've got to get these stories down. They all the great musical stores and eventually his manager Jane Rose Thought at the time was right and so I was on but this is years later. Yes one story. I mean he talks about that was strawberry German couple of sort of light. High clause hips the vevey political. The ones who I believe Peter Green took the acid trip which put him over the edge the costs and so forth so it is. It's like his whole world some stage in his life key thousand. He's sort of sort of like just pulls wins does he does. But never to see. Lose this all of musicians and music. He could never be join aside like that. That's why actually in the book would he complains about jagged jagged. Does that he seems to sort of you. Know he's festival is a friendship that he thought was very very special but also if anything broke away from the the love of this band the making of music he just couldn't take he. Yes furious basically up the story of so I think it's in the second is the pieces. The story about how they came to call themselves the glimmer twins which I mean I never knew her forgotten but nineteen sixty eight. They're on a boat in Brazil with wonderful of up a cost English people. Yes they wanted to be around and that sort of sways in these sorts of some sort of tropical thing looking like Katherine Hepburn or something and they'd just driven mad by these long. Has this sort of people keep to themselves to stones? Finding this woman said go on. What do what you doing. How do you do it? I mean we're was gang on. Oh God give us a classic liberal and they said Okay twins perfect. Were a very interesting that it's just it's a year off at solving recorded in France. Keeps place and quite love. The piece is actually about the. The beginning of the separation of the members of the bands is a whereas you say the piece about. How will your told Keith? The MIC would spend three nights together in one of their other their houses and come out with songs and that little gone the each would bring their components. So sad is the source of the roots of the divisions within the band becoming apparent even nineteen seventy-three said in retrospect spray sats read. Because I'm bonding. I just love that. Sixty eight seventy two period. Burling stands for us. That's the the great spur criminal ever. I've long say I think somewhere in that first pace you elites in the Stein's camp known six very much of that saw mainstream and they've just recorded go there just finished goats head soup in Jamaica which is a markedly inferior record. This is interesting. How long it took for people to realize how great exile woes. It's interesting that isn't it? It's musically so fascinating and such a breakthrough. It's got so many news often. I still think it'd be better single L. P. It is great but you put your finger on something there because you remember gram. Parsons was around that time. She must have made a division. I mean Keith. Just attached himself completely to grant writing the things I think is interesting about. Both the pieces is that. They're sort of introspective. Keith comes across in a way. That's unusual for him. I think maybe what you say about him. Not being people were scattered but he he he sort of muses on on why Mick Jagger feels will never be accepted a musician and this sort of thing and inquisitive generous and sympathetic. Sort of way which isn't necessarily what we might expect from. You know Keith. Richards dig it jacker actually but later in your book well infamously. Yes James will not tell us about slide digs at jacker not very complicated in relationship between the was we must at the at the base of all this. You've got DARTFORD and the train and he's an only child and one of the introspection Kief has about himself is what it's like being only child how you have to make alliances how difficult to Chizzy Lances come and go and if you got one you hold onto it. And it's crucial to you. And he got one with Nick and they were together. They were inseparable and they did everything together. Remember that in the early sixties sixty three the time they were on tour with little Richard they were doing it about a thousand shows back to back they did. Somebody like was it. Three years without stopping bed in this is really close stuff. So that comes this moment of. I didn't what happens. Mix head is turned something happens. He sees himself in Santa. But Keith fills a sense of betrayal. He feels some sense of betrayal of friendship or drifting by a terrible sadness and when it is then compounded by nick making faith. Remarks like reading stanzas a millstone around my neck. This'll be sort of moment when you can't restrain Keith. In his book from saying exactly what he thinks he have gone off done. This music almost broke the band up. You know I really mind about some people thought it was you know. He shouldn't have said it was unfair and song but actually it within that world and within the rolling stones bound all the people that know if he hadn't said that they would have thought he had copped up because it was such a big story inside the ban. Yeah of how bad relations were. Yeah I take it you aware of that. Journalists Bill Wyman wrote a spoof letter the MIC wrote in response which is very very funny alley. All you did some online. He got a little. They'll send you a link to it. It's very funny. It's like mix just read the book and he's having a go back at Kief guy who held you up on stage for the last fifteen years ads in frame necessary there. Obviously I love we study. Unfortunately bill by not zapped away Manila's but he wrote this thing I think just as a joke but it had a certain sort of resonance credibility on on the bill I was always encrypted Keith. I couldn't understand why Bill Wyman had all these goals waiting says they were sent off every ten minutes. He said come upstairs. Never WanNa Milky Cup of tea with with to come from around here and the other great story a love. We've been press conference in Paris. There were six journalists. That was me's sort of by now sitting beside Casey went back to these live of the stories which raked out of the book. Such as. Yes when I first met Johnny Depp. I thought he was Marlins drug dealer. He's we've been through that appeared on the front pages on it anyway. One of the journalists said Mr Richard. I I can't see very much about with Bill Wyman in this book. Did you not want to. Did you want to exclude him or something and he said the reason for that is bills? Not Very interesting. You Got Keith. Down Arms. Yeah that's I held back before I we're GONNA have to get a bit more of because it's one of the best. It's not actually that easy voice imitate. But you've spent enough time with the money to Practically does Moses got about that action. You didn't it. Got Back to him that I was going around telling these dotes Keith. Speak and so he said to me. I'm I'll tell you something James. One day GONNA get your personality. I mean a couple of times and I think anyone who has when you're the front of that key really is the thing that is so surprising when you come with your preconceptions is what a sweet and humble man he is you know he really genuinely so different from Jagger the giants we somehow performing and Keith. You just get this going. He wouldn't be any different if he had become the most famous junkie rock and Roll Rhythm Guitar Player on the Planet Economy failed. He'd be the same God. I absolutely agree with that. And in fact what I was saying about the memory is like that you know the fame and stuff hasn't broken ole to the hasn't put a filter on this memory so when he talks about Richard Talks about this as Eddie Days. He talks about how he wasn't a very good guitar player at the time but he thought the band was quite good. An what all he had Richard. And why and all this kind of stuff which is still absolutely fresh. We should talk. We will be talking about Richard. It's fantastic come up few tones ready and we will. Just the mench probably your. I mean this is. This is your best selling book white mischief. Which is extraordinary book about? The white stuff causes in Kenya because it was made into movie white mischief just towing and with the fact that we have these two great pieces. That are a world away from Keith Richards in the stones and they're really wonderful. One of them is about the cult of the sap in Africa in the Congo on the other one is a PC going straight to the library. Which is about the core players of molly and this loss singer? The track down onto soccer. It's tremendous I mean so I just I mean didn't will your African experiences in a solo lead to this because I was reminded started life as early as nineteen sixty nine with the help of the legendary Cyril Connolly James Just tell us where what. The germ of the book was. Well the Journal the book was that Cyril Connolly. I was on the Sunday Times magazine. Feature writer and Silicon Valley was on the paper. He was the book review came in once a week with his copy and he was also a neighbor of my parents in the country in Sussex and we had a series called unsolved mysteries and I said to Cyril one day. He came to lunch at my mother's house and I said you know. Is there anything you could write a any unsolved Mr been on your mind? And he said he's always been fascinated by the Arrow and delves Broughton because he knew some of the characters. So we collaborated. I mean me young. I was twenty three twenty four put up against calmly this great amount of losses and we investigated this thing and we wrote a piece called Christmas. Congress came up to nine sixty nine seventy and then he died and left me all his papers and I just thought I'll turn this into into a book and like went further. I actually solved the mystery. I think I did but with that little glimmer of doubt that keeps it all going for ages. Yeah always good policy so that took me into. I'd already been in reporting in Africa and actually I had come across the story or maybe I tell Sarah about it because I when I was on the Daily Nation. This story was always around because Lady Delaware. Who was the chief character in? That story was still Landa this woman sort of atolls. Women seem stalking around. The Matthias Club. Had Jewels and I suggested. I remember to the news editor. Why don't we do is piece about that and said touch that story you know? We don't touch shut down so when came back. This intrigued me so I am on. It went so then I went back to Kenya to research and up. The book eventually came. It was extraordinary. Spent how it leads to African music. I was supposed to be the southern African correspondent. One point of the Sunday Times. I did go lot to southern Africa. Because I I've been there was the genesis and I think when I first went to Zaire The Congo and her the SOUKOUS MUSIC. It just took me completely by the short and scrub. I just couldn't believe this fabulous Rumba music. It was in every ball. It was in these wonderful places with neon lights and it was even the official music. Mobutu had nationalized all the bands because there were so powerful he had to have him playing for the government because it was too much of a rival so I caught onto that and then I met so. I'd always known lucid Iran. Who's a great friend of mine who teaches African music so ass and speaks mending current plays the core and we we fell in to this world of African string playing and that opened up a will to me of total magic? The contrast between the sort of colonial world of the white settlers in Kenya and this underground world of the African culture and the music was totally fascinating to me so I traveled a lot with Lucy. We tracked down this thing Who's got I think the most beautiful voice I've heard ready. She's so beautiful and on it went and we brought over or she or we encouraged early core players to come to London. They played in my house. Guests gave money to them research them so I became very friendly with these guys very close to them and went to stay in that compound in Gambia and became very good friends with one. Call Demba contact who. I had a very close friendship with he said to me one day we really get on. Well you're not you know. We should really be married except that. Be This problem from our listeners. James was sticking two fingers. It clear what he meant. That was so sweet. I thought that was a tunnel. That's fine Peterson. James S so I I know we could talk for hours and hours silently. We can move onto somebody as I say already mentioned little rich. Should who died. What a week or so ago. Ten days ago I mean. This is one of the absolute giants and it's really hard to know where we start. I'll just preface a brief discussion about Richard Panama. I thought let's I mean somebody tributes have been paid over the last week ten days. I thought let's just do some different. Actually this tremendous rights a John's just got in touch with US didn't even mall can access these two terrific pieces from nine hundred seventy five. Whichever is a different side of the Richard Story. He's touring in Europe and it's a complete gas go and then he's angry. Teddy Boys Birmingham because he hasn't thought saxophonists until you get rid of that drummer. Yeah I so remarkable. And he's the poor guy who promoted this tour. Little Richard is making his life off misery demanding to fly first class to be upgraded hotels. All out of this promoters pocket show on on on the tour completely. It's long piece. I sort of five hundred word. Live review in seconds slightly longer. But you put them together. And it's absolutely fantastic. Little Richard in his particular mariners that can appoint his career as Vernon Gibbs pace from the voice to when Richard is reinvent himself as a entirely. Reinvented himself. Because it's always been part of his makeup but he's become a preacher and he preaching and this little church in Brooklyn and essentially riling against his own homosexuality was being as camp as anything in the process so so one woman sitting next Vernon says. He's still a Hobo sexiest homeless. A vernons of fantastic rights really cloud. Because he's a rasping in the seventy s as an african-american music writer. The weren't many of them around and he's such a stylish writer and so he's he's in this. This church Brooklyn Awesome. Yeah Brooklyn and Richards just copying top like math and the thing is the audience responding laughter and Richard has don't love you know I'm telling us the truth and then then he's mincing again. I mean it's this Berlin. Did you know about his meeting with Tom? Jones Don in Wales. He's telling the story it. Which of course those Ted's Donnie Wells? They were Super Tech. They will address mega. They knew the whole thing and they've worshiped. Ritchie went down and tells the story that they went to his dressing room at visit. Go somewhere like that. It was called for something. Yeah I think that's right. And then so. They got into these. Tom Jazz is friends. Got into little. Richard's dressing room and had this tremendous reverence and he was a gold. So they kneel down in front of this Little Richard. Who went bars? Oh my little judge peach a body to the station's crew inch well Vernon Gibbs says brilliantly in this. He says he's being born again so often. He's getting younger he. Just he's bounced back and forth in the entire life. Stuff comes out you stories which we didn't know back then about him buddy holly and the crickets on tour. Where basically you know he. Just sit. buddy holly. Whoever buddy he was shocking voyeurism blurs. Big thing that's interesting. Well I remember him. So we've actually got a clip of Richard's from injury the it with him. As I did love into using ninety five. Because his autobiography came out on this all about voyeurism and not should we just had the inimitable tones of Richard Panama? Let's talk this. I was black and didn't let that Muslims through Jens then I was with our victims toilets but in Camden was black in his wife. They called varsity nickel and it was came on the scene in the sling Descended could swing and I can sweep rocked. I am thinking about road. I'm one of the most imitated artists ever lived in the world. Princess Need Michael Disney and the Jamaican David Bullet. He tells his no false modesty from Richard. Blessed I didn't realize he was so count I hadn't heard he interview. He was as campus as you could hope for. I'm too young to her. First Time Round. My brother bought this Aa side on the English London. Records risk of good golly Miss Molly and Lucille and it. Just pinning meets the wool quite like that before you know. In retrospect is also he's my gate way trump to New Orleans rb because his stuff was mostly recorded New Orleans wasn't Bali Cosima metaxas with Dave Bartholomew and those guys yeah for me. He's my favorite Rockin. Roller that generation. I Record Keith. Board was long tall. Sally was it. I mean you'd have served is the is the birth of rock and I think when you when you kind of revisit it little Richard Story. You're a sort of fabulous oxidants in a way. I don't think he intended to become the sort of Camp King and Queen of Rock and roll because he was very much in the mold of this sort of jump blues. R&b guys assigned to peak when you listen to his early stuff. It ain't fruity long 'til solid and he's sitting one day and I guess Cosimo Matassa Studio in New Orleans and he just thoughts. Kinda doing a what but he just comes out with that explosion and it's kind of like the Big Bang of Is All about anal you? Buffalo be prevailed on to change some of the world's most of the big banks such a brilliant idea. It was a big bang. It was absolutely there was a wonderful place. Action really interesting piece in the Guardian yesterday by a so genuine rocket domestic. Who's a professor of American studies at Yale blocked writes a Tabby Neon Congo? And it's very very woke. Piece called the Tutti fruity crew. And it's just exploring. It's basically making the point very eloquently. The Rock and roll was essentially fashion by day. Black Man really fun. Sussex placing took place of the church and all of that proper toilets about. Well you know. The expression is so linked to the CHURCH THE BLACK-AMERICANS. I'm the one thing I think she missed an pieces. She should've mentioned Sylvester. Who in a sense had a very similar path? Who grew up in the is like little Richard Did and took that with him into his disco into his Gospel. Disco some stuff anyway. I just love without little Richard. I think we can safely say we might have had the stunned. The totally might not have had the rock and roll side of the Beatles. Paul McCartney was literally taught to scream by the rich tutorials there on Youtube come to my screaming tutorial so so Farewell Richard. Panam without whom he did he did. He lived a long time. You lived in the heart house that I know lots of people had the experience of going on the list at the heart house on sunset with Little Richard. Anyone not once in that with all his luggage. I think he'd just come back in just always up seats when my parents recording muscle shoals we'll be looked by gun monkey wimax who's travis son and he and his died will poor. Richard's band that time and they just loved him they all couldn't Richard. Oh become richer. What do you call a little Ole miss the Panama? They said no we call him. Rich Oldham is still just electrifying. Exactly that jumping out of. It's amazing. He we probably have to talk about Bessie. Roy Lost Her to rural. Big Big fans of bessie right. Cleanup woman almost unique and extraordinary classic soul singles from the seventies shoe Russia. Raw was kind of mind hit in this country when it came out and I loved. It knew nothing about his providence. Have no idea that it'd being violent to safes and so on and so forth and years later I found this Bank of Wrigley to Guitar Donnie. Ottawa who had the Sarim lead style and a friend of mine. Said if you like that you're GONNA listen to clean up woman. Listen to little beavers guitar. Playing on. That record is three guitar parts and so I got it as a seven single and this is fantastic than about few months later. What can you book? Shop in cross crossroad. An over the road was our press records and they had a big remained records section stuff from America. Pretty Morris leave the case cocktails. Yeah they had all these records by Tko on the Tk Label Allston though the Labor it was and so I just got with all these six. Burt GETTING TO SALT SOLO MUSICAL BIG WAY. And one danger. High voltage with Russia on Chemo. Which I reckon is still one of the greatest. R&b ALBUMS I've ever albums Zaba album. I Love Danger. Setting aside a great I saw she last year at Barbican. She was fabulous. Got It because you saw it and it was as of mid week kind of Gagan. She was doing a second one. The Neue after you've seen a you said how great she was and I went but then didn't because they are expensive and it was the middle of the week and whatever and I just regret so much not having gone to see that. He writes bessie right. She she is. She's seventeen when cleanup women came out but she'd been seeing professional about thirteen fourteen again out of the church again in the eighty six. She had a minor hit with some pain. Which is just fantastic. Yeah and then after that she produced. Just don't couple of Joss stone albums she did a fabulous the roots and the thousand twelve. Yet I think as as almost as good as anything. She's done in her career. She never stops no like little richard she did. She sort of went back to God. We got a little clip of her now. Actually talking about Gob. It's just. It's just shows one full exuberant gorgeous person. She was so let's just had more into live performance and recording. I think it's because I'm a people person and in recording studios you got about three people and you know I just come alive when I see a lot of people the more show off you know some people are just born ostentatious by nature and ask me you know to be center stage and a passer tomato child at this point my baby go straight talk so wonderfully she. She's she's just fabulous. Yeah so be James. Remember that record. Clean up woman. Geico listen to change a high voltages while she's obviously shocking. I'm sixty four. She was only sixty six months. She died last week. Sixty six and still school winner. Records are coming out that terrifying too late. Two years to make a record is good as clean up woman miles. It's happen not so we have to piece about Betty. One of them is for seventy seven one of the by John. Swanson one is fine in eighty six when paying the record. Pyan has just come out. It's time look into about this week's audio entity yes absolutely. Let me shrink my screen so I can see my notes. Thanks exits full screen. That's the one. Is this GONNA be in the episode upset? Vital Social documented history. This is a very good interview I thought it was going to be an interview about Pete. Seeger it's not it's PC memories of the RAV. Splendid Mo- Ash Moses ash ran what came folk ways records on. He talks about most business practices. Why dismayed that. Well listen to clip. He talks how most goal was to documents music in some academic who go to Africa come back with a tape of of you're talking about James Precisely. And He'd put it out on folk ways pretty well presented with brushes with properly written documentation. And he'd never remove a record from catalog wants to record was in a third-place Catholic. It stayed there. Even the only sold fifteen copies stool available to the amazing thing. Focused Yamba Leah so we clip. We'll talk about folk quays Mo- Asham Pete Seeger documenting of music. I think it's a very big contribution. Not just the fact to eat recorded things which any fool could say. Well at record is not going to sell. But he'd say it's it needs to be documented. His basic principle here is something. Which if it's not documented. Now it'll be lost for some professor comes back from the field trip this distant place world and keeps playing the tapes in the classes. But it's a nuisance to make copies and I say Would you be interested in releasing records. A I don't think you'll sell many low I can't pay you much. Maybe one hundred dollars just to repay you for the cost of the fill of the tape to US and The time it'll take to put together a brochure. The brochure that went along with folk record with a very important part of it most records just came out with a few words on the back cover and he gave a complete booklet sometimes. A big fat book with the words of the songs sometimes pictures sometimes an essay I absolutely. He talks about business practices. I mean we were talking about this yesterday body and is it. He's figured that your either state pretty small or you get huge does no inbetween. You'll get swallowed up and that by working on the margins by working in very niche areas staying small label. You may not make a lot of money but you can survive a to to keep making the next record. You want release so James. You sent me in the week picture. I need you hood spent your early use in America were born in Washington. Dc But some of his fabulous picture from thank nineteen sixty. If I'm correct of you playing guitar with the Reverend Gary Davis and so I thought well he must know something about folk quite. Tell us about how you came to be sitting Playing Guitar with the Reverend Gary Davis. And what kind of involvement with that kind of Greenwich Village Folk as Sane. Bows but I miss it. It's incredible I picked up a guitar. I school kid had one and I buy incredible chance. My family knew rory McEwen McEwen brothers. Who are playing on this tonight program. They play topical. Calypso's they play but rory had been to America. He met lead his wife. He bought a twelve string deep into focus recorded him and his brother. Sees Scott Song Right? I just jumped in. I mean I I was totally awesome and then I went round to Roy's house which is a ensure gun to road near the boltons which was a real Mecca. At that time it was a moment when folk and pop and everything the brothers Bob Dylan at folk was all sort of mixed up together. It was very exciting. When the pre reading Bob Dylan came out period. I was at school and I picked up Attachment Rory who taught me how to play the twelve string so and I had blind boy fuller for the first time. Which is one of those moments when the ad change the actual color the actual life is different after this is blind boy fuller airplane. Blues was hooked. So He'd been to New York. He knew all these people. Everyone knew rory people used to come back and forth. This house new knew the crucial thing about I'm Pete Seeger was that I wasted single Pete seeger guitar for Folk Singers Ki. Ki Document a record and an instruction book of how to play the guitar. And everybody I'm sure even but yance and all these people must have used that record for their basic thing. You've got the church lake out of it. You got the woody Guthrie stuff out of it you to oldest stuff how to tune it. Nobody and that was pete. Seeger's voice just like that. I don't WanNa go on I love. Nothing's ever peach achievements are incredible but he was incredibly righteous. Yes and out of this you can hear it in the voice for righteousness that And now you think back in cringe to songs like wherever the flowers gone. Or what did you learn schools day and you think stopping so fucking Pires parts in yesterday. Famously he was the man who tried to take an axe to the wiring. The amphoras backing Dylan Newport festival. But I asked him on time again. Isn't it it's better if it's true so it's true not how Donald Trump thinks this interview actually really nice because in some ways thirty Sherman. Who did the interview? I had heard stories about Mo- Choice tight with the royalties and song safe and heard Pete seeger fallen out with Mirage over. Just that he's he's incredibly generous Listen to the very end of the show where he talks about precisely that you says well you know what I knew going to depend on these records who cares about roaches. The main thing was to make the recall seeing A. It's quite astonishing. You talk about surviving. I don't know how he survived. A tool with these records had cost of production. You know sell five copies many. How many people McEwen Brothers Singing Abidine folks will? He talks in interview about one. Specific thing is that if you're going to be small charge more money here. So he charge a lot more sensory. Each album would be. Let's say three dollars more than a pop album but people really wants. Dissolve you say working. In a niche people will pay that extra and that was kind of thing going. But you know looking back. I think my whole education at that time turn into sort of my interest in journalism song was actually the folk ways cut lives because they had things like they had the entire southern prison system. You can read all about Stop what was going up on. The brazos river you read about the depression could read about dust bowl. It had this incredible back. Where else will you get this history of American Working People? Yes so will. That will listen to kid. But he's again a self deprecating about how he failed to spot the hit when Woody Guthrie did an EP of record was entitled including this land is your land very fun to hear that The appreciate it getting a small salary and low is willing to release whatever he had at that time would he's writing a lot of children's songs his own kids so one right. Little record came out after another and then came out ten inch Lp called this land is your land and one of the songs in. It was a song that I remember thinking was one of Woody's lesser efforts Said so simple the EDP D D D D D D be well. I taught a lesson. It was a triumph of simplicity. Mold like that Song you remember when I oh well. That's why he you title the record after the sub is always only one a dozen songs on the record. This land is your land and this land is my land and the California New York. I land a great story. Like I said. We'll listen to a fabulous the royalties and songs the end. But it's really slight from this interviews quite hard to hear some of the questions because Tony Chevron was very kitty pointing the MIC to the subject. Which is good thing? I've really enjoyed digitizing to and whatever one thinks about about Pete and his music. He was amount of numerous moral integrity and ahead. And this is not long after my lashes died coups and the Smithsonian is a quad default quays catalog and it still keeps the entire catalogue as it were imprint of after all these years. Which is a laudable thing and I think tiny goes up to because Pete had this amazing house on the Hudson River and the Hudson River became very important part of his life and music. It's actually I founded upset you fascinating not not knowing that much about folk ways or even Woody Guthrie I. I felt sort of kind of privileged. To hear this mock. You have to remember Pete. Headlock with lead belly to said he does talk about lead belly. Absolutely crucial does outlet. Billy No van Morrison and well lead belly new. I went to see Lebanese widow. The one of my one of my pilgrimages gene on that Sam Gerry Davis Jeff. I went I open to Qatar case. There was the twelve string Gary Davis and she said Yeah Yeah. He's done cool son so and I went down to Greenwich Village very was we took a fantastic. So it's interesting because the lead belly have will things as festival. The lomax connection basically being kind of inverse comes rescued than appallingly patronized. By the elder lomax is it. Allan the father I Aldea this terrible video. You can find it on on film. You can find youtube where it's lead belly. Alan Lomax is and he's been busy. Told to dress in overalls and go. Yes yes yes yes yes to this. This guy. The lead belly actually wants to address and smart clothes and gallivant with the goals. And have a drink fine liquor. Lots of he was no steph infection and he resented he he fell out with Alan limits. I should successfully sued Ellen and Loma. Tv. Yes which is pretty amazing. Probably with the help of Mo- ash of course living in New York City living on a plantation. And it's interesting to hit. Pete talk about this like second or third full woke up on the. Larry saw I think between Avenue B. and C. Which which is where Mr Mrs Lead Perry leave and it a little details like that absolutely had a really good relationship with more you know about the relationship you have with the low maxes anyway. Really feel you people out there have a listen to this is really fascinating right so great Jones to get your kind of personal input so fantastic and as we were please stick around because networks going to just talk through some of his highlights from the new library pieces this way. You can just jump in if anything if the mood takes. First thing is against new government but Philip elwood's San Francisco Zometa and he sees the classic Coltrane Quartet. Live in San Francisco to sixty five. This is won't Jimmy Garrett Cole McCoy tyner Elvin Jones. This is like a coach. Great unfiltered says the best of jazz always most hustle and communicative musical Fulham co-trainers expanding jazz out to undefined horizons and though the destination often seems uncertain. The ways obviously well. Charleston is astonishingly imaginative and creative. Mind it's this. Great is this is a nineteen sixty-five review swatting my job. Nice piece arising out. He's very good. A second thing is on credited though. I suspect by music. Echoes House Hippie. Hugh Nolan reviews velvet underground. Nikko munching sixty. Which is throughout many reveals the Velvet Underground Nico. He says he's heartbroken. Royal brought up to date let Christie an electric Viola adds a distinctive cruel harsh note particularly Yvonne Venus infers and her and to the best tracks on the album which are never let us get played in the BBC. Let me see the skating. Threw up seventy six Michael Watts reviews Keeton Anna mcgarrigle at opponents debut album from those two and he'd love it's a long reviews like twelve hundred words which is a long review he says. As far as the album's consent cates writing slightly do the more consistent pops and yet honest heart like a wheel isn't Piece attender slope leading Song in which the lyrics are exquisite shaped by vocals themselves around. The Melody Welled Up Michael Barr. One of the most beautiful songs ever written we on to Great James. Yeah yes I do. I absolutely so good at those kind of stone. They had others A skating through from my stuff very good Brian case interview with Interior Jamaica Nineteen seventy-eight Brown case. Didn't run much about conversion robe. He wrote a few times about interior. They had something of the bums and injury. If you not as an exhibition of your work then you do. You only do that when you're ready to show a selection about how takes him to kind of put records together he compares with what happens if you do too often says they want to what happened to all the good comedians. Like Frankie Howard putting him on every week and sucking dry which is pretty far put. Lovely isn't a few Simpson which I love. Because there aren't many of these Ashton Simpson. Huge here is David. Open The Times in one thousand. Nine hundred into billy idol rather sweet leases. That was partly the Joe Ca- cooling myself billy idol. It was a reflection of how in the early days of English rock. People were invented bus. Bengali everybody's changing their names. If they spend golly telling you wherever be billy idol is really making making fun of his teen tunnel of of G. Q. People violent but an ice tea album has its political points. Has Its get points. And it's also got down. Look at her ass is keeps. Us is Cuba's heavy often to that Moslem ship. He doesn't like white girls and shit like that. I'm quick to the white go look. I ain't no Moslem. We're not ice tea. String airing Lee woke but lastly just mentioned as a very good history of acid house. Spongy Kreisel the name is expressing nineteen ninety-eight celebration the ten years of the second summer of love. That's my lot. That's wonderful. Jasper what have you got for us while I just? I'll just mention a couple of things. First which is a live review of. Jon. Newsome who he talked about a few weeks ago and whom I worship. Yeah I mean I think she's. I think she's fantastic on another alive. But I've seen some videos of her playing on Youtube and she's remarkable enchanting presence but release the Apollo Hammersmith and comes away thinking that it was a great Gig sums it up on Record Nusa may remain in acquired taste but here she was a power leising pipe who could do as she pleased without ever coming close to breaking her own spell. The thing is a nice way to sum up. How join all newsome's music is? She's wonderful we talked about. How Fatty recently? So I won't go into too much but she just great so. This is all new stuff which is flooding into your blood. Have you been with this note says no end? I call the term. That's IT Philip. Elwood on board two weeks ago and I've Sofa harvested eight hundred schools of his and I've only just reached and seventy five dollars Elwood so stay tuned. Yeah and then I just wanted to also to mention a album review from the wire Neil Connie J. peg massias album the Second Amendment and J. Mafias quite an interesting robbery dark sort of a time again for hip hop to look beyond its normal Loci of national and international significance and folks on those scenes so cut off from the mainstream. That giving a fuck about crossover. Success isn't just spiritually undesirable. Downright impossible on a big fan of Neal's rising I. It's Great. It's really great and he's really interesting about this doc. Hip Hop artist Jay. Pick my song. Freaky shit starting polemics. Deranged NOISE ESCAPES MUSIC. That hums and guns and lunches and crashes like the city. It comes from just what we need while facing down. Seventeen Breaking Armageddon I. It's it's an interesting album. It has a lot of textures and darkness. I've said that word about three times all stop but dark dark right. Yeah I mean this is a great review that that understands it and I think that's what the read hadn't heard of Jay. Fear must confess. I like to think earlier age. You must be With tracks with names like Bob O. Pussy Ross clock so I I'm not sure about is just the the folk music of its day really. It wasn't that difficult to get on is called something like wikipedia vote ways then album cover called sort of gangland chance of the gangs kind of essentially doing their. They're sort of saying you know and did bring. Yeah fucking just and then love just funny funniest James Blunt and how we made series talking about how they made your beautiful which of course was not hit massive massive hit as he told me the day of Simpson in twenty twenty. But I actually James. Blunt is quite funny and quite self-aware. If you look at his twitter feed you'll see that he delights in just mocking himself and milking other people that seem to want to mock him and he's quite honest about your beautiful is portrayed as a romantic song but it's actually a bit creepy guy me stalking someone else's girlfriend while high He's funny article. The song is the song everyone knows it and it is a sort of simpering kind of sickly sweet thing but actually it has that sort of creepy undertone. That James Blunt talks about quite bluntly and quite fondly. So that was my last thing. Medicine Blunt James Bond. -Unding finish this tremendous episode. Where we've talked to. You'RE GONNA. You'RE GONNA finish with James Blunt till you in all seriousness. You're really loved to Beijing. Really low actually I. Hey I got this this. This is going to lower the Tony more I to watch celebrity bake off with him in it and he was quite endearingly solved for must confess. I couldn't so to heighten quite sweet anyone as I think anyway. This is all this is really letting down on. I just know it's great. It's great you'll beautiful uniform. We're all too beautiful. We you guys aren't spend an with you guys. You really know. Your stuff is incredible. What Fun is your love? It's been wonderful having you on the on the family show. You've been one of our greatest guests talk about ten minutes long. I think we'll Jospin's done the Joneses. Honestly thank you so much for coming in. Yes well thank you. Good luck with. I know that at some point is this dumb Damien Hirst which which is supposed to be coming out with about ten years. Yeah he's fiddling around with it he's he's revising revising rewrites ease revising and then with a view to rewriting the good luck with all your infinity. Good luck with all your future endeavors and projects and we've just such a bull talking with you and we'll we'll see against saint. I hope and I think that's true of League. It's isn't it will come to say goodbye will be next week without a guest hoping for guests in a couple of weeks but the the original troika the power trio of rocks back pages. We'll be back without a guest next week and we'll hope that you will tune in then so by thanks for listening High passing I USED TO CO TWO HORSE OPERATION. Yoon various liberals working like horses and I wasn't going to complain if people didn't get royalties because here is a job is being done and it needed to be done and nobody else was doing it. No government in the world. Who's doing it? An Oak capitalist government no socialist government. No Museum they claim to do it. The Library of Congress claimed that they have a piddling small catalogue compared to focus Newsasia Longman Paris claims to be doing it because they have a piddling small catalogue compared to vote ways. Always big multimillion-dollar operations were inching along but Moas just galloping along doing the job that needs to be done I'm not GonNa Complain Lou. That was Pete Seeger in conversation with Tony Sherman in one thousand nine hundred seven concluding this week's rock pages podcast. Many thanks special guest. James Fox visit his website at James Fox doc coat. Uk The host of Bond Hopkins and Mark Pringle News Co hosted and produced by Jasper Murison boy. The rocks back pages. Podcast is part of the Pantheon. Podcast network you can find thousands of articles as well as hundreds of length owed interviews a rock back pages DOT COM. My Name Is Demon Carter Aka Demo and I'm native long and we're two thirds of the crew that host the dead rat our third co host internationally acclaimed hip hop writer. David Ma as the name of the rose suggest deadline. Rap pod is a podcast where men of a certain age discuss debate in dissect rap knees while we are somewhat classicist in our tastes and grew up listening to hip hop from the eighty S. Until now we're also interested in the music's present and future over the past hundred fifteen episodes. We have interviewed rap legends like principal. Del The funky Homo sapiens on Kool. Keith. Ej Premier and even the Crow Rap Group. The last poets. We also make it a point to talk to writers commentators and creatives shaping the genre. We've interviewed journalists. Bestselling authors like Nathaniel Friedman. Jeff Weiss an eighth of an Ataman's back and as nate mentioned even though we are products of the eighties nineties. We take time out to talk to some of the most important voices and wrap today groups and individuals like little brother open. Mike Eagle Billy Woods. And for if you don't recognize any of those names that's okay because what we love most on this podcast is to introduce old school fans of rap music to new music that we know new episodes every week on Thursday. We are the dead bod wrap pod.

Keith Richards Cyril Connolly James Mr Richard Pete Seeger Africa Mick Jagger Richard Africa America London Bonnie writer Youtube Sunday Times Barney hoskyns Kenya Little Richard Sunday Times Magazine news editor Manchester Evening News
Tooth and Claw

Next Stop Everywhere: The Doctor Who Podcast

1:23:17 hr | 1 year ago

Tooth and Claw

"Everywhere hello who? Vn's welcome back to next stop everywhere to. Tuck your podcast. What are your co host? Charles skaggs bagging at Tartus. Once again ready to talk some modern who with my partner in time Jesse Jackson and a very special guest whom we're going to introduce shortly so hello. Jessie how are you Hello Charles. We are hoping that our audience will be amused. Yes In it is good to talk a doctor who with you as we hit Week three of the Our big twenty twenty lockdown is this week three for you or have four. Well this is kind of weak. Three for us but You know it's all the day's kind of blurred together so yes here. We are live in corona virus. I'm in the basement of solitude hiding out with my comic books and My funke figures in my in my grandma June captain and action figures that I just got in hand has got her tenth Doctor Action Figures. So we're all good here and speaking of Hannah so yes welcome everybody back to next up everywhere special guest companion and all around cool person. Hannah's GRAPPA welcome back to next everywhere. Thank you for having me. You're always welcome. I had we had such a ball if you guys remember when we talked the long game toward the end of twenty one thousand nine hundred before everything went to hell in a hand basket and the good the good old times before before the public exactly exactly and Hannah was able to go to actually go to class in college and Now she's doing studying from home. I take it so so Hannah before he gets. I'm dominic catch up with Jesse to obviously but Since we're talking to you right now How you doing all this craziness? How're you into your family doing? Hopefully well where do it all right slut of watching the news just listening to what our governor has to say and just waiting for better days to come and by the quicker way to do? This was if somebody were to just find Donna. Noble and detailer detached to turn left. Clear right yeah. 'cause obviously apparently she she turned right and we're now in the dark time line. So that's good. So Jesse how about you. How are you doing all this? We are good. We had a conference call today with our owner And He's he's just really a good guy he's you know he's doing this on his back porch You know he's telling everyone that we're doing fine Economically were said that if this it lasts another month or even further will be fine. There's GonNa be no layoffs of everything's good And he prepared my industry. Now is roadside assistance right. And he says Part of the reason is He thinks once this ends people are GonNa WanNa get the heck out of dodge and so that the summer is always busy for us because of travel right. He thinks we'll be even more travel that people when they get the chance. That makes sense. Because everybody's tired already being cooped up so yes whether it's nicer and yeah I in fact I was GonNa make the joke earlier and you know we're talking about the previous times. Yes times when we ordered from Uber eats because we were lazy and didn't WanNa go out to eat versus. Because you have to now if you want if you don't WanNa eat something you cook yourself and when we get toilet paper exactly or paper towels or hand sanitizer or what so. Yes but everybody. We know it's been really stressful for a lot of you out there. I'm sure live your at probably having harder times than we are so if we can do this excuse me we can do this right now. here next up everywhere and hopefully brighten up your spirits for like say sixty minutes or so fingers crossed and and to do that. We're going to talk here episode. One seventy eight. We're talking to claw the second episode of series two way back from April twenty. Second two thousand six so that this thing's going on fourteen years if you can believe it this episode already and written by Russell t davies directed by euros land who directed the very first episode of New who rose which Kinda got a little attention here this past week because of roses fifteenth anniversary. So Yeah we've got so After our last episode we We had the new fiftieth anniversary of new. Who So I know I was online celebrating that online. And I believe you were as well hand. If I'm not mistaken I was. Do you have to have fun life? Tweeting that definitely. I mean I don't have anywhere else to go at the moment so might as well to going head to use all my willpower not to pinch the rest of the episodes on that disc so her work versus a tricky. Because yeah you want to like you started with that one. You kind of like okay. Let's keep going right and then I really is. Yeah I have the same feeling You know for some reason I I had forgotten that It was rose. It was the companion on this. Yes in in Donna. Why so I'm looking like I know it's not done in so I was looking for the march episodes and like it's not there and then I went. Oh it was a rose episode. Why now I feel foolish and then moments yeah exactly. Yeah no no no. I'm talking about this particular. Okay Oh claw. I'm sorry yeah I do think. Claw and Yeah I I have the same issue when we're doing these classic or modern read watches to well. Let's just watch one more right right. I WanNa see what's happening so I totally get. I applaud your Strength and you know do right. Yes yes every night unfortunately Doctor who stories and doctor who episodes are kind of like potato chips. You can't just use line can't just take. I mean unless this is time flight. We're talking about then take time. I mean the stewards are fun. I mean granted. It's not the best episode and I'm GonNa have to talk that one with you. I think it 'cause it's Davison era. So yeah the draft you for that one before we go forward. I do need to bring up something that I did not bring up last week. Yarl's shirt goes I don't know if you remember this but you did not have a accessories on the shelf behind you when recorded last episode. I know I slacked but today. Today I'm rocking the you know. The David tennant's tenth doctor and Rose Tyler as played by Billie Piper. Franco's so yes yes or you can be like. Oh no we're separated by a wall and you were parallel dimensions. And we can't get. We can't touch each other. They were doing social distancing before social thing was cool anyway can. It hasn't had a cool thing on twitter where she had her little tenth doctor. Action figure up against our video screen and a computer screen or whatever and it was a it had rose from doomsday. If I'm not mistaken right actually know with this episode I. It's the scene where the scene where they're flipping through the bucks. Oh okay okay. So I couldn't remember if it was that or doomsday 'cause but It was pretty funny. And she's like I couldn't resist which I totally get that doing the doomsday riff. That was pretty funny. All right so Guest cast this episode. We have Pauline Collins who play Queen Victoria and no. She's not amused. But if you're a classic doctor who fan you may be aware that she played a character named Samantha Briggs in Patrick Troughton story called the faceless ones and interestingly enough she almost became a companion they tried to get her to Take the place of polly when polly was leaving and Apparently Pauline turn them down and this was even after. Like Frazer Hines with and others. Were trying to lobby. Ben Jack or I mean Michael Craze and whatnot who played Ben Jackson but Apparently she just wasn't interested so she was in the almost companion. Very nice that we've talked about She's awesome episodes of the Saint and The series Berlin. If you're familiar with that series that kind of BBC Sci-fi my friends watched it. I never got into it. Yeah I did you write a couple of times and just it just didn't do anything for me yeah Not just not my cup of tea. I I am. I did not realize she had worked classic coup but I did go to. Id IMDB to look at her. And I went cut. Her face looks familiar but I I only went back a few years and did not find anything that I would've watched. I think she just is just so. Well establishing this account that it comes across better right. She has that kind of classic British actress features agree. It makes you go like. Oh did I see her in that now now? Apparently she wasn't in that. But I mean it's it's the eyes in the nose that really makes it seem like that exactly and obviously we're going to talk about her. As Victoria. Ian Hand More played father Angelo. And if you're game of thrones fan you might recognize this guy from playing pat. Pre Game of thrones so Jesse. I'm sure you know being a life of game of thrones Geek. You probably recognize him. He's also been an episode of the British version of the UK version of life on Mars. Which I'm a big fan of that feature John Simm in that series okay great series. Highly recommended Outlander she's been in Excuse me in hand has been an episode of outlander also Carnival row the recent I believe it's on Is it. Hbo on Prime Amazon. Okay Yeah my wife Lori is wash there but I haven't watched it but she really liked it so yeah so I guess I've a go ahead. I'm a big outlander Fan Because you know a little bit as we were separated for its slightly doctor who fan fiction it is essentially is based on James says it is I mean Jamie. We're really buff and ginger. Yes yes exactly Said Michelle Duncan to play lady Isabel. She's been in the movies. She's been the films Baheen needed rhapsody. Interestingly enough atonement and on the The TV series Luther. With with Idris Elba. Which I'm a big fan of. I really enjoyed that. That's a great drama either recommended Derek. Redel play Sir. Robert mcneish or McLeish and he was in the fantastic beasts movie the crimes of Grindelwald. Interestingly enough and he was in the TV series Terminator Sarah Connor Chronicles which interested in plates. starts early from game of thrones and on the series ripper street. If you're at all familiar with that series. That was on BBC. America's well recently. Not Too long ago Jamie size play Captain Reynolds Not Captain Mel Reynolds from firefly in case you're wondering he was also on game of thrones played. A character named Joy Castle. On game of thrones and he was in the HBO Mini Series Chair Noble and in the twenty ten version of clash of the titans. So Little Trivia there. Yep got a couple of little bit Trivia about the story. We're going to talk about really quickly and it. Apparently one point Russell t davies contemplated surprising viewers by having the Werewolf. Kill Queen Victoria and apparently this was gonna be the event that would caused the creation of the parallel universe which the Tartus would have been drawn to in rise with the Cyberman the age of steel but Russell t davies became concerned that this ongoing storyline would have been too difficult for casual viewers to follow and he decided. Maybe not. I'm GONNA DROP THIS IDEA. So that's kind of interesting right. That could have been kind of interesting. Yeah so this be like Rick and Marty thing where they go back. Alert Timeline with this. Just be a case where we beat stuck in the universe where Queen Victoria was ill. Well maybe rick would put like Queen Victoria in the tube and clone another one you know and then bring her back that way or something and then she like spider head or something. Something something flaky. You got me on the record. Maury road there so I had kind of go down that road Also the doctor as James Mikron which as I love the fact that he called himself used the alias. James MC Kremlin. He claimed to a study at the University of Edinburgh under Dr Bell. In now Dr. Joseph Bell was a lecturer in an expert in observational deduction and he served as mentor of Sir Arthur CONAN doyle who use bell as the model for you guessed it Sherlock Holmes so some interesting Trivia thought. I read that and I thought that was very cool. Yeah it's pretty cool right all right so we got three topics today and Hannah. Hopefully you got the topics that I sent emailed us yet. Underwears so Topping number one. Let's talk about before well. This is essentially this. This episode is instead of calling a tooth o'clock. I'm kind of partial calling it. You know an alienware. Wolf in Scotland but where where wolves of Scotland Nice Warns Yvonne? Yes very impressive. Very nice so Top number one. Let's talk about the tenth doctor and rose in Scotland and Let's go with our special guests companion. I so Hannah. What are your thoughts about the doctor and Rose? Oh boy attempting to go through nineteen seventy nine and go check out Ian Dury and the blockheads and You know the guys who did hit me with your rhythm stick. And then they end up in. Oh eighteen seventy nine same difference no big deal what did you. What did you make of The doctrine rose in nineteenth century Scotland hubris on display much. September started off. Boy I mean I personally with the I mean my view. This episode has changed a bit over the years since I I watched it. I mean when I was a kid I was like a Queen Victoria. Why'd you banish them at now that I'm older watching it like oh? She was justified. I think considering well rose persisting with the trying to get the I am not amused joke out and the both of them kind of laughing about that in the wake of Sir Robert Death I mean I normally. Who's advocate for the doctor and rose I because they were kind of I sort of Dr Pairing Companion I really followed through to the end but this episode is not their brightest. Our and I had my theory. All Matt is parting of the ways. Combine the whole sense of teenage invincibility with them literally both escaping the impossible. The tide war. Tech's God juice and you get this sense of. Oh I can't die. Nothing's going to harm me. Why should I care anymore and it kind of just comes across here? Like they're just they're just being way too. Careless is what you're when I'm guessing. Yeah Yeah what about Jesse? What do you think about that so Do you agree with Hannah that they were just kind of a little too glib about everything that up. I think it's fair one of the things that struck me most watching this again. Charles is Rose giving the doctor hints about his interaction with people right and We saw Clare. Do that with Cabal these Dr Glenn so yeah Claire. I thought that was interesting that you know that was it. I would not have thought that as a trade that capacity was bringing back from previous doctor but it was I I do think there. They act almost slightly drunk. The whole episode. And what I mean by that is they're kind of Giddy having fun there. You know. This is a in Yes they're aware after a while they're in danger and they're trying to do it but even when they're they're stuck in the library and the doctor says you know we're we're surrounded with weapons. Yes books are the most powerful but you still like Jesse. I'm not saying there I get that in. I get that in as a knowledge is power but I also could get the other person like okay. Yeah that's all Nice but can we have you know a couple of pistols that we can do to fight. This wolf It you know I I love as you guys know. David tennant is my doctor. It was so fun seeing him back again. Another thing I brought up. You've mentioned this is fourteen years ago. He looked so young like when he when I pulled this up on the TV inserted watching. I went wow. He does look like a baby. He looks very young Yeah all all Asia neck. Beard stubble is all nice and Brown as opposed to gray in this up. I think he's about four years. Younger than Jodie. Whittaker is is now thereabouts I think she's what thirty four thirty seven through seven. Okay all right. I wasn't sure so okay. So that would put him about three three then here right. Yeah okay I go ahead yeah. I'm sorry I just was saying I. I love their interaction. I get how it was a little too callous. Yeah in cold but I was okay with it Just accepting the fact that's what they're doing And it was just good to see them interacting it. I don't feel as much as the later where rose got a little more romantically involved with the doctor. You Know Fr did not look at me. From my perspective. As much you know Adoring eyes on 'em. She still just he's you know she's just having fun. She did with the previous doctor. Charles Yeah I mean I. I kinda agree with both of you on this. That they're almost like rose and the doctor in this episode at least throughout most of it. They're essentially like giggling teenagers. You know the ones that like you know they they they. They're kind of like in this that early flirtation stage where they You know that you know they just they laugh at everything together and they're not taking this seriously handle brought up a great point that they almost feel they're acting like they're indestructible at this point especially coming right out of like you said the parting of the ways which I thought was a great observation. Because this is this is only remember. This is ten is third story as the tenth doctor. So this is very early in his his ron and so so They're they`re. They're being very glib. In contrast against of course Queen Victoria whom we're GONNA talk about in our second topic but You know she's very serious. And you know roses you know and and the doctor are are making this game about well. It's you know Let's see if we can get her to say you know. We are not amused and rose like bets. The doctor ten ten pounds that she she can make him do or she can make the queen say that and the doctor goes along with it. You know instead of going like look this is Queen Victoria. You Might WanNa mind your PS and QS a little bit and I feel like if it if Eccleston where the doctor in this story. That might have happened that you would've gone. I know. I do think though that they do shine their best in this episode when they're separated. Obviously you get rose. Sort of leading the servants revolt in tearing down the chains. And you get the doctor at the dinner table kind of Talk Kinda getting Sir Robert to spill the beans on whole situation right with the doctor. Obviously he comes through. The aristocratic background is a time Lord. So it kind of makes sense. That in rose comes from the you know every girl perspective so it kind of makes sense that they would kind of go that upstairs downstairs route a little bit here. I think but you know it's it's still you know they're having fun. Probably maybe a little too much fun. Okay but hey it only got him. Kicked out of Scotland forever banished least until the doctor regenerates and can't I can't be recognized. I guess much to the delight of Yvonne Hartman. Yes No von Little Bits of Asli When it comes to army of Ghosts Doomsday later this season but You know that You know the The doctor of course as the day by figuring out to that they need to use Queen Victoria's diamond the Kohinoor diamond that her husband had got her. You Know Eric King Albert the delete King Albert and or excuse me Prince Albert. I'm sorry Prince Albert and and the you know put that in the microscope and apparently refracted the moonlight so that apparently that's what Overloads the where wolf and apparently freeze the host from his curse? So what did you? What did you make of the Doctors Solution with that? Anybody I mean I really love the moment where he gets the epiphany about it because one of the things I like about David tennant's doctors. How quickly he just lights up like all of this is the answer. The needed starts talking lightning fast and going. Hey we need this this this this and it all sort of ties up neatly in above when you look at sort of the grand design if at all I think how. `Bout you Jesse. Yeah I I think that is so well said Hannah that all the doctors have own personalities but there is that Oh ding Ding Ding. I just discovered this. The Light Bulb has gone off on the whiteboard that he plays that. So well And it's a unique solution and I think will this is one of your topic's going through but I I like the fact that the person with the curse is like yes finished it. Finish it for me you know. I don't want to stay in this way so I I really was happy with your current anything else about the tenth doctor and rose before we move onto our next topic anyone anyone. I was not amused by their behaviour. It's happened so I think that might be the corner of the episode Anna Yeah and You know I think the only thing is you know. Rose kind of sort of being embarrassed. Nakedness thought it was kind of funny. Oh I approach. She didn't smack him for saying. Oh She's a we naked child or all feral child like the ten minutes. The Tim`rous Beastie. Yeah and I was a little disappointed. She never changed clothes. I mean even though she tried on the different clothes she never. She held up that one blue dress the hardest blue dress. Interestingly enough. Yeah exactly yeah but she never put it on the BBC. Wardrobe only goes so far Jesse. They had the clothes. Everybody else in this episode. Right there was all those extras and you know. All right all right. Let's move on to the second topic so second topic. Let's talk about Queen Victoria since we already kind of doing that. Already a little bit and this we can also fit in Sir Robert in this topic and also the Torchwood Institute. So Queen Victoria Robert in the Torchwood Institute. Let's go with Jesse I on this one. Yeah when Charles and I were discussing what we wanted to do in all season you know we. We knew we had to do the draft. We know we had to. Do you know spring training and we had to do All the other things you normally do in an off season We'll sports humor there We we we looked at and I suggested Charles immediately greed We hadn't done enough torchwood and so okay. Well let's do a block of torch woods and so that's why we picked this episode because it is the initial Die This is essentially the origin of Torchwood the foundation. Of Yeah so just recap reading this torchwood. The prologue and I think everyone would have been happy. Yeah and which makes perfect because here we are. We're doing like this is kind of like our little prelude to our torchwood month. So will the and I. I remember being confused with that. Because you know Torchwood was my gateway drug into the WHO Universe so and I've always kind of been surprised why why there seems to be this adversarial role of between torchwood and the doctor right right and this does I think a fairly good job of setting up that origin story So I was really glad to see that I loved Queen Victoria. I loved everything she was doing. she's She's SMART. She's a very aware what's going on her. I did not write it down as one of my codes for her story about Dow. She's lost her husband. She's more into ghost stories and the more Macab a things. She's she's very self contained. She's very She she comes across as royalty as ensure for self I really liked this character and I was a little surprised with the twist where she after she nights him gives her the makes her a dame that she banishes them I I remember seeing it the first time going what. What's going on and I mean it's kind of a whiplash movement. Yes just spoke. The words that came out of my twelve year old selves mouth. And so it. I do understand why that she's doing that. But yeah that's great stuff all right how about you Hannah. What did you make of Queen Victoria and the The founding of the Torchwood institute I think it was a really a credit pauline collins because I feel like some people when they get through all all your his celebrity historical character on doctor who was like. Oh I can go. But Pantomime on this she she plays it deadly straight and I really appreciated that. I do kind of appreciate also little historical ties to the real-life Queen Victoria she was mourning her husband Elbert Believe about forty years and she always did have sort of fascination for the supernatural. After that I think it does tie in quite well. She definitely did come across as that various authoritative and classy member of royalty asked me. It's very interesting having watched. Rewatch this episode after watching. I don't know if any either of you watch Victoria with starring. Jennifer Coleman the young Victoria. It's actually it's really good This is the kind of thing that the show that you know. Like you know. Husbands and wives watched so we. You know we kind of this is something. I watched with Laurie. she's really into it. So I'm and I'm watching. Jan Coleman obviously because. Hey It's Dr who right and But it but it it really captures their relationship in in in this grand love story so so now going back to tooth and claw. It's very interesting to see Pauline Collins Portrayal. As the older Victoria. Much older Victoria and And you know realizing keeping that in perspective of how much our mentor her. And you know when when she's talking about things about the Kohinoor diamond and Howard. Her husband wasn't satisfied with it and he wanted to keep cutting and roses like all. But it's perfect and and unfortunately you know Albert never thought so so he that was why she was actually bringing the diamond along so it was a great explanation for that and You know polly cons like you said play plays this you know deadly seriously and balances so well because as we talked about you know with tennant and Piper you know just kind of giggling their way through so you know. Tories essentially the straight woman to their their comedy and the authoritativeness comes through when when when Queen Victoria calls them out. You know at at at several times going like you know like you know. You may find this amusing entertaining. Whatever but you know this is deadly serious. And you know in the in the scene where you're talking about where you know they essentially are banished from the kingdom and talking about how You know just that this. The doctors world is not her world and she makes this distinction. The you know like that this is not my world this is now the her world view is is so Defined I think partially probably because of her ego a little bit but but just her her Her Command. You know in in duty and sense of duty that. I know what I want for my country and I don't want you in it and so she banishes them. I mean in. That's too far ahead but in Doomsday. You Have Yvonne walking into the cyber converter repeating to herself. I did my duty for Queen and country. I did my duty for Queen and Country. Right and you know. I'm sure a lot of these. You know especially over in in England in the UK. You know they they feel that sense. Because it's you know the monarchy or and that You know it's the monarchy over everything Uber Alles to use a German phrase and that You know so you sacrifice for that kind of like you know like here in the United States where you know you sacrifice for the country you put the country above yourself and so and Victoria just is like you know. Look the supernatural stuff this all this time E. Y. And stuff this is not my. This is not my jam okay. I don't want this year. I don't want you here and I'm not look I'm honoring you because hey you saved you know people and you saved me but now that that onerous over get out will say though. It is kind of ironic heavy. I haven't listened to them when you consider the Torchwood Audio Queen. Victoria gets very much tied up in an all right. Listen to that With we're polly Collins reprises travel. Yeah I haven't had not listened to them but also in another side with the BBC audio separate separate entity you have. It's does not Appalling Collins. But interestingly will look look at. Torchwood to the rest of the British Empire you have one call the Golden Age. Which has Jack Visiting Torchwood India? It's Kinda stuck in this perpetual time loop would recommend right and I think it's funny. That essentially the doctor is the inspiration for torch wits creation by Queen Victoria especially when he gets there. Well Hey torchwood an Anagram of doctor who yes? So so it's fitting I think no one suspected a thing in two thousand five no no not Davies. Rtd Jake's fist screening. He knew what he was doing. Yes he did. Yeah but Y- anything else about Tortuous Foundation for many and answer. Robert what everybody make us for Robert? You know that's essentially. He felt like he was a traitor to his country and then he ends up sacrificing his life for it. Poor guy is least I can stay to start with but you want to say something Jesse so you I was just GonNa say I think he's a very tragic figure and In you know none of us know what we would do under those circumstances of you know they have my wife. He talked about that and you know he as he said. I tried to in every way possible. Show you know like no no no. You don't want to stay here. Move along and then I do like that. It's like do I have to make a sign like hey. My wife's being helped by bad guys please leave. I mean you would think for a woman who had six attempts on her life that you'd be a little suspicious squeak right right well. Apparently maybe she felt desperate. Because hey it was getting dark. Yeah needed somewhere to to Put up for the night. I guess I don't know but So I thought that he gave himself. Yeah he just gave himself up at the end. I thought it was nice. I think it was a little funny going back No matter how impressed the Queen was by the credentials She did not let them ride in the royal coach. They had to walk. Be Alright SOC- true something. I did kind of puzzle Miami. I know the mechanics of the psychic paper kind of changed over the years but it listed the doctor as protector. I mean I just found that really confounding because I mean this is the point where it's A. Oh at this point knows papers like oh I it. It allows them to see what I want them. See and I mean I don't even. The doctor was kind of surprised that he's like does it. He said he's all like does that. Is that what it says? Okay let's go with that. I am hideouts. He wanted to commit to that role. But you know he's probably like this. This is what we have to do so all right. Let's move on topic number three. Let's talk about father. Angelo those Kung Fu bunks and the host. So let's let's start with you again so What you make of our our rather unusual doctor who villains this time out so Charles. When I was watching the episode I wrote in all caps. Why do you have a bunch of Scots? In the nineteenth century now come Fu very well. Traveled Devedjian Karam. Guy Being like okay. We're GONNA learn that martial artists good bill anything for our Werewolf Alien Master. We're GONNA do it. And he maybe. The weeping angels like sent a copy of Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon back through time and The monks watched it. And they're like. Hey we should learn this. This is pretty good. I was GONNA ask. Were there any like big Kung Fu movies the year before that they wanted to capitalize on action team? Or I don't know I mean I think it was like it's very inspired because I'm kind of like martial arts movie geek and so it's kind of inspired by the whole you know like the kind of food that that was started off that got really popular with the Matrix and then other films like Crouching Tiger and whatnot Kind of adapted that that wire work you know so that really stylized you know really high flips and the you know the slow Mo and all that and so I think it was obviously a very you know overt Omar Jr but but but you know the idea of placing that S- in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine. Scotland is something you know. That's inside the brain of Russell t davies. Only he can explain. I'm guessing US I'll tell too. I will say credit to pretty much actor father. Angelo and all the mccaskey's I was surprised. By HOW LITTLE DIALOGUE? The monks had this episode. But they communicated a lot with just a really ominous layer. Yeah especially in with this ball shaved heads that they you know they you know. I think I think they have shaved eyebrows as well. So give them this really. Unsettling look yeah. Just what did you? What Jesse what did you make of the monks you know? I think they were. I did think they were very Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon Ish and or kill bullish. You know. That's another one. That's a good on yeah So I thought it was It was a very strange beginning. You did wonder where did these? Kung-fu monks come from But it it. You know it worked. It worked the whole idea. That this The monastery is all wanting this. You know the The air of the wolf right the right and so So what do you make of their plan you know? Essentially they're planning to Silicon Lake. Make they wanted the British royalty to become where wolves and that was their plan to take over the world. Apparently what you guys make of that I mean parts of it makes sense for the time because the whole Minds it was the sun never sets on the British empire so I can understand wanting to infect the queen but I feel like there are quicker and more efficient ways. They could've done that without pinning down. All the servants and gone like upward. Taking up this whole space we are GonNa pose as servants ourselves and we are going to do it. Even though we could probably just quite Lee Kidnap Byrne have just haven't biter and Do you think yeah I wonder do you. Do you have to be in your wolf phase? Two by scratching her to to transmit the disease. I guess because we just finish binging the outsider which is also transmitted the the you know. The the creature transmits himself to his next victim. Our hosts by scratching So he does seem like there could have been an easy way to do it. you know it worked. It was the macguffin We got some nice visuals. We it was fun to see Doctor who fight a Werewolf. I mean just you know as you said you know. Your title is absolutely perfect Where Wolf in Scotland? Yeah so it. Just it worked out great and And you know it was nice I don't I don't think you included that in her first trivia but one of the things was You know ten at got to speak in his normal voice which is like the only time he did in the whole series. So which was kind of fun. couldn't in Victoria. Call them out on like. Why are you switching access? Exactly what's up with that? Yeah so I think it was a good villain It you know I I like this. I like this episode. A great deal because It's it's very self contained. Even though it does set us up with Torchwood We have a pretty pretty fun. Villain that is defeated The doctor gets to by being clever And so It it was just fun and I was glad to see you know I did like that. The host at the end wanted to sacrifice himself saying no continue in this stormy. Go ahead of cleaning up the host. I just wanted to say I thought he live crappier than the Werewolf. I mean I know limitation when you're sitting there in the cage and his hair. He's got the you know they'll streaky hair and the dark is that was his hair. I thought that was a hood. Maybe it was. I couldn't tell I thought it was. I thought he had like black hair. But maybe I'm wrong. Well I mean because he looks very average when he's just human being but you can sort of one thing that's off about him that Uncanny valley effect are his eyes and way he talks of light and slow e sounds like on any second. He's going to teeter off and snap at you so I really appreciated that. Tom Smith the actor. Ask Him Yeah he. He kind of creeped you out a little bit. You're saying yeah. Yeah maybe I think maybe because all the shadows around that cage. Maybe that's why I thought that we had black hair. But I think you're right. It's probably is a hood that he had on now they think about it. I think you're right Yeah the I'm trying to figure. I was trying to figure out their plan and you know why they thought this was like a great plan. Because like like you see both pointed out it could have been done a lot more effectively if they just had the host scratch. Queen Victoria and that would have been it but my question now is okay. So Queen Victoria scratched but she's at the end of toward the end of her life. She's already had her kids so unless she goes around scratching those kids. How is she expected to pass that on? I mean what right? Yeah what we were told about the mechanics of the wolf was. Oh once in a generation boy will go missing permits homestead meaning. You only goes for about as long as it's host does so I can see. Yeah why would you? Why not kill? Queen Victoria in just go for whoever's next in line makes things easier and remember once in a generation the slayer is born to fight the forces of darkness. Just that's that's a different show. Never mind never mind where we'll slayer were we're screwed. Giles. That was You know he was in school reunion so you know. Yeah the next episode. How about that. I just muted. I couldn't hear you It was very because I I got this on Amazon prime included. The deficit was next on. I would oh ho So yeah you didn't you didn't watch it though canine. There's something to be said though about the next times from this era. Just how you get the blend the logo I. I don't know who was editing Ben back then but we hire them back please. I mean I'm not trying to be like one of those rat people mind but you were more effective than the trail. The weather unfortunately. Yeah maybe we keep BBC America from like shrinking them down to the bottom of the bottom right corner of the screen and minimizing them. Go ahead better like the the series eleven ones. I mean I think. They confuse spoiler alert with plot. So you know most of the I. That's true that's true but the series series two one here they they just smash right in right after. And then then they cut to the The closing credits. So I'm I'm I'm old school so I'm kind of you know like I'm partial to see the credits I but I get it. I get I get the The the appreciating like you just finished the episode. You WanNA see more so hey. Here's this you know trailers smashing through the screen at you. Going like pay attention to me and You know I see the appeal for it so I understand it. All right Anything else about this episode that we overlooked can't think of anything any final thoughts before we move on the this episode. I feel kinda apart from the reference to what eventually becomes torchwood at the end. I think unfortunately gets overlooked a bit because after this as we talked about it's school reunion and then my personal favorite the girl in the fireplace so I told people continue to rediscover this one as years. Go as the years by and says you know people jump on board with Jodie and go back and look at older episodes. Well said well said Yeah. What exactly exactly all right so Favorite quotes of the episodes line. So who wants to go first ladies first right handed for it. So rose asks the host. Where where were you born and the host replies this body ten miles away weakling? A heart sick boy stone away at night by the brethren for Michael Vacation I carved out his soul and sat on his heart. Nice delivery Mary Nice Very Nice. Just got a quote so I love this kind there is. This is a very clever joke. Sir Robert. It's all my fault. I should've sent you away. I tried to suggest something was wrong. I thought you might notice. Did you think there was nothing strange about my household staff and the doctor and will in that typical David Well? They were bald athletic. Your wife's away. I just thought you were happy. That one too. I just love that all right all right hand. Do you want to do the books quote or do you want me to do the bucks clout sure? I'd want to steal your thunder all right. So yeah the doctor. Obviously they're in the library going. You want weapons. We're in the library books. The BEST WEAPONS IN THE WORLD. The rooms greatest arsenal. We can have arm yourselves. Love that I got one I saw last night. That Great Britain has enemies beyond imagination and we must defend our borders on all sides. I propose an institute to investigate these strange happenings into fight them. I would call it. Torchwood the Torchwood Institute and if the doctors should return he should beware because torchwood will be wading. Don't great one. Yeah Queen Victoria like pretty much like okay. That's it doctors on notice putting putting you on Notice Board Jesse how about you? The last one I have is When they're going through all this. Excitement rose says moonlight but it needs mood like it's made of light and the doctor. Well you're seventy percent water but you can still drown And and I just thought that was so funny that you know They are using what the you know. They're turning this weapon against itself so I thought that was great. That is great and I like one The doctor and rose Where the doctors trying to Explain rose to Queen Victoria and going like Oh. I'm dazed and confused. I've been chasing this wee naked child over hill over. Isn't that right? You're Tim`rous Beastie says all I I've been in the doctor's like no don't do that Guczman. No no really don't really. That was great and apparently billy's Billie Piper's atrocious. Scottish accent is legit from my research. That apparently That was the thing that she could not do. A Scottish accent so that third boy any other channel okay. Well I got one more Jesse's off. Getting a delivery. Cream Victoria as they arrive at the At the state and she goes and please excuse the naked girl and roses like sorry and the doctor goes. She's a feral child. Brother fixed sixpence and old London tone. It was either her the elephant man. Okay so I thought that was pretty cute. So it's like Yeah rose your compared to John Merrick. The elephant man. Well done rose. I know he looks pretty now. But you have all liberty to smack him exactly as any any other quotes. No just going to mention. John hurt the doctor. Who is the Star of the elephant? Man Yes yes. Yep Yep the David Lynch film which you hear more about ghosts would free plug their indeed all right because the pack to say all right all right so if we got her quotes how what's your what's your ready for this one. I give it eight out of ten where we'll for shipping Kung Fu. Monks is very nice thumbs up on our one. Hannah wins the category of rating. Jesse how about you? I'M GONNA give it eight out of T- Ten steam punk telescopes nice and I think we're actually all in unison. Everybody because I'm going to give it eight of ten Kohinoor diamonds. It occurs me. Nobody did eight out of ten. Like mistletoe leaves. Supplants was so good. I wouldn't trade at one stick with your first one. Yeah I figured Charles would do the diamond. So that's why I came up with the telescope but the diamonds backup. Yes Sir Charles yes. This is a really great episode but is there maybe another episode that this might remind you of why. Yes Jesse there might just might so everybody We're going to reverse the player the neutron flow back to nineteen sixty six and sixty seven with the highlanders. Yeah this is You can obviously are already guessed the connection and this. This is the fourth serial of season four written by Elwyn Jones and Jerry Davis. Gerry Davis being they co-creator Cyberman with Kit pedler. And this is during the Patrick Troughton era. So we're GONNA do another Patrick Trout story but obviously for Reasons that hey. This is following the battle of collado in seventeen forty five Scotland. So this is our big Scottish connection. the British army is triumphant over the rebel Forces Bonnie Prince Charlie when the Tartus arise the second doctor Ben and polly encounter fleeing Scots rebels in are taken prisoner by them. They all hide into desert a college cottage. Excuse me with the layered Colin McLaren. Who has been badly wounded his daughter. Kirsty and his Piper G Mackinnon the patrol leader. Lieutenant Algernon finches ineffectual. But as sergeant is much more forceful and talks the takes the doctor Jamie Ben and the layer to be hanged while poly and Kirsty managed to slip away. The two women hide in a cave then in an animal pit. You know 'cause as you do From Lieutenant Finch who believes the prince to be one of them following the rumor the Prince fled the battlefield dressed as a woman elsewhere. The Royal Commissioner of Prisons Shady character net called Grey plots to enslave any highlanders still alive and ship them off to the colonies. He makes contact with an unscrupulous sea. Captain called Trask. Who agrees to help him with his ship? The NFL among the prisoners. Identifies for sale that Dr J. B. Ben and the layered they're taken to prison in inverness many others but the doctor cons is way out and overpowers gray to make escape grease free by Trask who reports the transportation scheme has begun and arranges for a number of prisoners including Jamie Ben and the layered to be transferred to the ship. The prisoners learned that they're being sold as slaves about most accept this fate the leading seventy years Jenner Glacier would be better than the gallows only Benjamin the layered in one of his friends. Willie McKay refused to sign when banning tax gray trescothick thrown into the sea at the end of a rope. The doctor is reunited with Paulie and Kirsty then with Ben who swam to safety that the doctor returns to grade with a concocted story about Bonnie Prince Charles Ring claiming to know the fugitive prince's whereabouts. He says the prince is the Piper Jamie. The ruse works distracting great tracks while the girls free the prisoner and supply them with arms for an uprising. When Gray and trask go to check on Jamie? There are captured by the armed highlanders and a revolt begins Trask. Fleas is wounded and his thrown overboard. Will they McKay takes control the Annabelle and determines to sail her to freedom in France? Happy to accept cures to enter father as volunteers for the journey. The doctor Ben and polly returned to town using grains a hostage to ensure the freedom of movement joined by Jamie who has decided to stay and help them find. The Tartus party loses gray but finds finch who has decided to stay or excuse me decided to To Force help. Excuse me they find finch whom they forced to help them return to Kalat gray retreat reaches the causeway. I met the doctor and brings patrol of soldiers with him but finch arrest gray for the transportation scheme. The Dr Bennett Paulie returned to the Tartus and invite their new friend. Jimmy McRae on board and he nervously accepts and the rest. Chevy say so. That's how Jamie Crimen became a companion. So you you've lived there. I thought you were going to go with the greatest show in the galaxy but you went for the Scottish connection so I hope that was okay. I know it's a little obscure because that one only exist on audio but it's out there so if you want to track down actually have a CD slack hook you up to saying you know Charles de who. North America is a great place. I highly recommend that. Yes When we get to doctor WHO news? Here's a update on missing episodes of how they might be missing. Yes there are. There's stores we'll talk about that. So in the meantime that we have a couple of listener feedbacks so Jesse you have the email I do. Do you want to read hollies? Owlry David Kay proctors. That sounds great. Go for it. Hey Charles Jesse and Hannah that's us. It's been awhile since I've watched tooth and claw and man. I forgot the opening with the Ninja. Briefest also love the fact that the doctor is also open is open to take rose in the Tartus to concert hopping. Where do I sign up for that world tour? Yes I've always said that's what I would use the Tartus for so well said. I have a list of concerts that I would like to go to. Jesse knows a few of them and the psychic paper is a must for backstage pass. The doctor rose reactions to meeting. The Queen was interesting and a bit hair raising the bet with the. We are not abused. Line had me chuckling another reference. Too Bad wolf with the reference that rose had seen the darkness it shows in her is the special effects for the Werewolf have really held up over time. Captain rental sacrifice them all really amped the seriousness of the situation and how quickly it ended at the end when the Queen Honors Rose and the doctor all bets are off and she most definitely wasn't amused all the bandage at all banishing them. Guess she still remembers what happened with Zyklon in the ditch. Tomorrow Marriage proposal. That was different queen. Yes maybe it says the Royal Archive. Yes that's yes exactly. The doctor should have some Red Com from Jack along with his vortex manipulator and speaking of Jack we have the formation of Torchwood to stop the Doctor. How quickly that changed in the scheme of things also led the line about books being the greatest weapons in the world? I'll wrap it up here. Holly from Wisconsin. Excellent thank you. Holly always great to hear from you hearing from you is. They're always always great. Obviously we always love having their on the podcast. She's going to be making return here very shortly. So stay tuned. Everybody for Holly's return the next stop everywhere and I kind of want to know the memo. That went out when You know the change of Management Torchwood. Hey guys a team. We're not going to kill the doctor anymore. you know we're GonNa do something else loving loving kisses Captain Jack. Harkness well to be fair. I mean Jack At torchwood three and Torchwood one was the one who was really giving the doctor hard time so I guess he was probably just fighting all the torchwood. One memo's over the Indus going. Nope NOPE nope troubling. Bet throw the other ways to get to see that. He's my ride out milk. Exactly exactly they'll I will say that I now want to have you. Holly Join Onset. Less than Bruce was each of our top five concerts. We would use the hardest to go visit. When we could do that here. They would go see David Bowie. Yeah Yeah I'm with you on that one I would. I would definitely especially during the ziggy stardust. And the spiders from Mars down. 'cause I wanNA hear Starman yes absolutely my all time favorite Bowie songs. All right Dedicate proctor writes in and he has a very serious thing at the end so hope everybody pays attention here. So David Wright Sandy goes good episode in the surrounding obviously about to claw says Queen Victoria's fascinating figure of history and played by Jenna Coleman in a series Victoria as. I'm confident you've mentioned well because it's US give us a little. Yeah exactly. It's a little credit great to see David tennant. My modern doctor who doesn't love Billie Piper slash rose. I looked at the royal family is made up of where walls. Yeah we haven't talked about that so so do you think the rover families wearables. I'm not sure if it's wise to bring that up in light of what's going on with Harry and mega imagine. Maybe maybe that's why they left. They didn't want to be where wolves. Maybe so yeah maybe. That's the real reason just saying so. David ads thanks for keeping me entertained and engage as I wait for my cove in nineteen test results. Podcast like yours. Make me feel like interacting with humans. Still be well be safe. Thank you David proctor. So I never got a follow up from David so David. We're very worried about you right now. So I hope you're okay and I hope your test results came back negative because we don't want you cove nineteen my brother. Exactly it's unhealthy. We enjoy your emails. We enjoy writing in listening to us and so obviously all our best wishes and hopes and thoughts and all that jazz are are with you and we hope with all hope that everything turns out. You know negative on your results so everybody please keep David in your thoughts You know I was stunned when I got. This is the first time and the just want to give a special shout today of it so everybody keep them in your thoughts. Please and David please. If you have a chance please write us back and let us know how you doing so and give everybody an update. Absolutely we want to hear that. Yeah so hopefully fingers crossed everything goes well yourself David absolutely exactly? We'll be thinking about you so everybody keep him in the thoughts please. I would Chick talk to appreciate that as a personal favor from yours truly Hannah. Of course I'm sure all right on the lighter notes if you WanNa be like David and you want to be like holly please write to us especially because we need to know next up everywhere S. N. G. at gmail.com that's next up everywhere. S. N. G. for Southgate Media Group at gmail.com. Or you can reach out to US ON TWITTER AT NEXT UP. S. N. G. On the twitter machine or on facebook next up everywhere. The doctor who podcast or you can check us out on the instigator the INSTAGRAM's at at next everywhere podcast and Hannah. You're awesome on twitter. Where can reach you there? Well Charles since you happened to mention it you can find me on twitter at. Ht Scrap that is H. T. E. A. S. K. O. R. A. P. A. I am also on instagram. At my Lady of SAS and I'm on facebook excellent. I'm drinking tea. And your honor as we speak and Jessie how. `Bout You well. You can find me on twitter at Jesse Jackson. Dfw You can Find me talking The titans with Charles on Titan Talk You can hear me talk. Metrohealth doom patrol. That's right we also just finished On Phantom Zone. We have a If you're just now catching up on watchmen. We went through there. I really recommend I think we had a really good time. And gave some good insight into that wonderful series. And then as always set lesson bruce. You'd the Bruce Springsteen podcast you can go and hear me talk to Bruce Springsteen fans from around the world including coming up this week. A Elliott Faucet who is a police officer in the United Kingdom that wrote an isolation song that went global. We don't say viral anymore and And coming out and exit for US COMING UP NEXT WEEK WENDY. Him Rock from Tuning INTO SCI FI TV podcast and one of my co hosts on the game of thrones. Podcast I do is joining me next week. So please check those out Charles. Don't you do a couple podcasts? One or two you may have heard of them all right so if you Everybody if you want to reach me you can reach me on the twitter machine at trial skaggs or on Instagram of course Atra skaggs on facebook. Charles skaggs Hilliard. Ohio and my blog. Kiki things got to do the thing. Damn coffee in hot where. I talk about all the stuff. We're talking about here next up everywhere you doctor. Who torchwood you? Sarah Jane Venture is all kinds of comic book. Sci-fi News News of my other podcasts. That the for southgate media including the aforementioned Titan talk to titans podcasts. They'd do with Jesse where we talked. Titans and new patrol waiting for do patrol season two to arrive the Phantom Zone. Podcast that he also do with Jesse kind of in limbo right now trying to figure out what we want to talk about next the only thing that's really coming up star girl. We WanNa Talk Star. Girl Justice going thumbs up because he wants to talk about the justice. Yes so and goes to where the twin peaks podcast was ans- Browse you've heard here on next up everywhere. My Wonderful Co host with most where. We're talking twin peaks Right now next week is going to be thirtieth anniversary of twin peaks. So this very big deal. That's GonNa be episode seventy two. We're going to be talking about that. Twin peaks thirty years later. So that's could be a very special episode and I'm sure Ann would appreciate you checking that out so Would definitely appreciate if you guys give us a listen if you're so inclined and Or even just a little bit curious about twin piece. Maybe heard of it wanted to learn more. That would be probably a good one. Because we're going to actually do a our one of our commentary episodes as we kind of do our little mystery. Science Theater commentary as we watched the original twin peaks pilot from April Eighth Nineteen Ninety episode. Seventy two so. That's GonNa be a lot of fun so everybody please check that out. And Otherwise Jesse. You mentioned that That yeah. We had a little bit of news when she talked about it for a little bit. Yeah so one of the things that I think has been a really wonderful is the The show runners and BBC. If the doctor who powers that be have been sending out a lot of fun things We did a They did a really watch of Vincent. Dr which we will be talking about this off season They show runners of comeback. Join twitter to do the to do tweet. Live tweeting with them and And we've and so and there are other things they're releasing Short stories and there was a new short story. They came out today. which is Press play yeah it was just wonderful that The current The current doctor interacts with her granddaughter. And that's spoil anything about it. They'll all out we got. Is it? Go List read the story. Sort of guy beat. I accept related to the story. But I'm surprised that in the Sierra the doctor being a grandparent has not come up considering you have Graham over there good point absolutely yes so I just know it just feels like they're really going out of their way to do some good things for us and Fans and I appreciate it. Yeah I mean you've got one of the current Thirteenth Dr Riders Peak. Mctigue writing that story Press play you know you? He's written You know if you remember Series Eleven Road Ker Blam and then a series twelve. He wrote proxy S. So it's it's it's a very short story but it's it's it's it's lovely that all these doctor who show runners and writers. Everybody are doing these things you know like just today. We had Sasha Dewan joining in on the live. Tweeting of watching watching spy fall. Partial to partake but a mandate gills. Took part. Yes she did. You're absolutely thank you for adding that. Yeah I forgot about yeah. Many Gill was in there. So yeah you had jasmine yeahs con joining in. How cool is that right And so You know we've got I think the eleventh hour is coming up next week. I think Yeah Matt Smith is going to be returning our wait. I know I know Steven moffat is GonNa be back right. I don't know if that's going to be back. Maybe maybe Karen Gillan is going to be back Wouldn't be surprised if his mother was active. She liked one of my tweets. Nice that's cool. Six degrees of Bacon. I suppose the doctor who radio six degrees of fish fingers and custard no. I bought a bow tie just for the purpose of this rewatching. Yeah I'm really excited about it because You know is one of my all time favorite episodes. I love that story. in That's going to be a lot of fun I think so everybody. So it's very cool that you know that even in these dark dark times that we're in that The doctor who communities stepping up. And it's great that we're kind of you know like kind of pushing that negatively the side and just an embracing what we love about doctor. Who in kind of keeping going back and doing these re watches and going like? Oh Yeah I love that story and a lot of fun and hey you know after you. Listen to do the re-watch just remember. He could come back here. Next up everywhere and Chances Are we've reviewed the episode. So you could you could get some more supplemental material if you want F. Forgive me for asking but did last week. Did you Touch on the message from the doctor. We did yes we did you. What did you make? 'cause you're talking to cellphone video poker. Did right yeah. That was great. What did you think of it? Well I kind of got low. Maybe extremely squid If life and I mean I did kind of get. Oh this is like superman taken out the ribbon openness shirt there's I just thought about it because when they all went on saying like oh she has an a costume at home that she keeps her public appearances in hospital visits and whatnot. Just very nice. A appreciating the current doctor. We talked about that. Yeah Jodie whittaker is being an excellent ambassador Dr Hill and it was great that Reshi recorded nobody as far as they know. Nobody made her do this. I think it's just something she wanted to do and I think she deserves all the credit for that. Because you know obviously there's other actors like looking at you. Christopher ECCLESTON that don't associate with the show and you know and It just It's refreshing when when people like David Tennant or Matt Smith. You know even after all this time they still want to be at least involved in it and Jenny. Waker I think is going to be just like tenant and Matt Smith in that regard I do think Eccleston is starting to actually turn a new leaf. I did listen to a bit of his memoir. I can't I mean I much I wanna see him back as the ninth doctor. I can't say I entirely blame him for leaving because he was dealing with a lot of stuff at that time we yeah. We kind of learned that he had some some personal issues that he's going through and we understand so we just have to kind of. I think we should just keep hoping that maybe some point he'll feel comfortable enough and that maybe he'll record a big finish audio or something. 'cause how great with that be but You know it's not not ill. Yeah and it. Wouldn't it. Just be cool if he could Joined twitter for like a live tweet of one of his episodes. How cool would that be he? He said he really liked the empty child. So awesome. Yeah that will be really got all you people on twitter. Start GETTING OUT HASHTAG. Are you my mummy? Yeah Yeah Yeah says do at hand and says Hashtag are you make that happen? Guys Right And let's see if we can draft Christopher Eccleston into this little little Who Really Watch. We've been doing lately. Instagram go. Yeah Be Nice Yeah. Everybody Nice. Don't be jerks and You know just be nice. Mvp very polite and say hey we would love it if you did this and if not we understand but we hope you will that kind of thing so any final thoughts before we sign off everybody. Nope just everyone be safe. Take care of yourself of remain connected via social media and Listen to some fun podcast. listen to great music and know that We care about you and if there's something you reach out to us we just told you how to get rid of us. Riyadh Grid of give us rivers Yasser reach out to us and let us know that that you're there and listening and if there's something we can do to make you laugh let us know. Yeah exactly how about you any final words? You WANNA give everybody. Well that's I could say is Stay safe stay positive Follow what what a respectable organizations like the CDC in the World Health Organization are saying about the virus NS spos- allured peltzman quoting a million other accounts for saying this but remember darkness severed darkness never sustains in wages and ugly. Hey guess nothing wrong with that. Right and I just wanted to think Hannah. Thank you so much for joining us here next up everywhere once again. Hope he had fun. Thank you for letting me on such short notice time. We have you back on and that sounds great. Thank you so much yes. Yeah and Obviously bring a lot to the table and Yeah we love having you here in. You're welcome back anytime all right. So everybody neck Stein right here. Next up everywhere. We're going to talk about Episode 179 everything. Changes Torchwood season one episode. One Nice as exactly so everybody. Yes come on back It's got to be a lot of fun as we officially begin. Torchwood months right here and we'll see next time next up everywhere. The doctor who podcast good-bye everybody combine everyone.

Doctor Charles Jesse Queen Victoria torchwood Hannah Rose Tyler Queen Victoria Victoria BBC David tennant Sir Charles Scotland Tartus polly Collins Russell t davies Torchwood Institute Prince Albert Anna Yeah Queen Victoria
Episode 16: The Finale Solution

Something Who

1:18:20 hr | 1 year ago

Episode 16: The Finale Solution

"It's imperative that I took with you Chris. Galway County Sam busy writing the series twelfth. Finale you must pay attention stop now Likud. Donahue you are what you are but we've got a series and transmission and ratings are dropping if we don't keep going we won't get off view is back they will not return. Why not? It is unimportant now but we must get them back. There really is no point. They could never reach series twelve now but did you know why should I care because their people and they might end up watching youtube videos. Instead I do not understand you. There are people watching cat videos all over your world yet. You do not care about them. Yes but we could stop these ones. You will be wondering what has happened your shed. Jewelers must just have discovered a new series. Is that not so yes? That's right. That is where I come from. It is called series. Eleven series eleven. But isn't that one of the ancient names of doctor who yes a answer go series eleven and twelve? Were twins then. We drifted away from you on a journey to the edge off space. Now we have returned the WHO. What are you? I am called cyber tips cyber chips. Yes I was exactly like you once. But as the time to deliver scripts grew longer. Scientists and doctors devised spare parts for my body until it could be almost completely replaced. But that means you know like us your Vo- bought my writing is just like yours. Except that certain weaknesses have been removed witnesses. What weaknesses you call them stories. Do you know what that's terrible? No Council whatever develop there would be no need most of the minor characters. Don't do anything anyway. Hello once again listeners. And welcome to something who episode sixteen which is in our classic format. Compare GonNa Finale of series twelve the timeless children and I talk to swansong the tenth planet if we can still call. Hartnell the first after Sunday's episode. This week we surged to a remarkable number. Twelve in the apple podcast. Uk TV Review Chart. So thanks to those of you helped us to rise to such heights and as ever if you like what we do please let others know so they can find this to tonight. I'm joined once more by Giles evening. Hello and Simon Holly Richard Hello Listeners. So I up. We're going to talk about the timeless children by Christian. In which the master the Cyberman the doctor her companions and the last humans all end up in the ruins of Gallery or the Matrix tells the doctor. What's really been going on all the time? So I watched essentially the CYBERMAN and this one back tobacco's a two hour movie new and I thought yes very visual and action packed and I guess the only question. The HAT is. What's IT actually about? I mean in the sense of does it have a real theme to it or is it. Is it a lot of set pieces and a lot of mythology that slowly impacts anyway? We we. Can maybe come to as we go along. So maybe your initial thoughts on IT I. I thought what's not to like about timeless children. Richard I always tell the listeners about my ten minute rule. That episode has to grab my attention within the first ten minutes and this one took off famously from where the last episode left off. I envy Richard actually watching as to our whole because they needed to be watch. It watch together. We got to find out some more about. The doctors passed back history. I've I've no quibbles with that at all That opens up all sorts of new story lines and I have no problem with people being inventive with that sort of thing. I don't think it changes or ruins the history. I think Christus Danika Japanese complimented the history. We had some fascinating story arcs all the way through the series which I think. Nicely tied up. This was a fantastic action packed story. We had another brilliant appearance by the master and he really came up with a grand scheme to destroy the doctor and take over. The Universe is fantastic. Series Finale. We had plenty of Action Blasting Cyberman and some battles silent chasing people down. That was all very good Ryan got stuck in which was which was good to see the special effects. Were Dazzling I complained about. Some of the Clunky nece and some of the cheap. I thought some with the previous episode until it really got going but the special effects in this woman topnotch and I thought he I thought he was. I thought it was excellent. Good excellent yeah. I'm still trying to processes. I have not had a chance to watch. It's unfortunate. They took kind of feel like maybe I need to at the time. I've had it not satisfying. I think yes I think. Part of it. There's a certain sort of the the what they do with. The Canon stuff was all very well handles to my in my opinion the actual plots quit web quite quite has it blossoms closing characterization together think might need to take. I did find the As Vegas regular viewers may know. I was complaining about the lack of characterization of guests coast last week. I didn't find out so grazing this time with that was just because they didn't have so much to them. They didn't have actually have all that many character moments. They just mostly to run around a bit of a fight for survival so that was probably good social standing up for the semester oversee animated things a loss anyway. So he's he's always good quality so yes thumbs up in general for me but I just yeah. I'm not quite sure how much the plots and what's The plus is actually going to hang together on further viewings. Yeah so so. That's an interesting question when I think when I first watched it. There are a number of things that kind of nickeled slightly in the plot. But I mean as I've thought about over the couple of days since then I think most of those things have kind of sorted themselves out in my head. I don't think in the end that there any sort of agree just rough edges. The that's a worrying me right now. So it's been talking about for me was like Damn version of the story. I mean one of the things that we complained about last year was a bunch of very kind of COP. Porty stories that you know with no flavor and texture in a bit tedious and this was a really strong attempt to strong attempt across the whole season. Really to tell a story from from start to finish the of an epic scale than yes with with with moments along the way to pause and do something else but I felt perhaps In the same caliber as the key to time from from the original series or one of the better Rt All MOFFITT serious when when when all the bits of their kind of came together so From that part of it I thought that was a much improved effort this time round. I thought Cocoa Sharma's. He came across as credible resistance leader and he liked the way he popped up near the end to to save the day and safe the doctor on the Story Hustle. That was that was really good and say and say applause. Yes with is doing words. He he felt the biggest remaining in the In the story. Didn't they think. Fortunately I liked to swell Howie teed up next the next series in the neck specialists well that was a Nice Soda cliff-hanger in that wet Tight to see more so I think Joe Nature. I did like that. I think Jodi which costano fantastic job overall is the doctor. She's really taken the lead role. She doesn't just in with the crowd. She travels around that. She's definitely the the leader of the pack. And with I know it hasn't gone down well with everybody fan but I think I I really think this backstories been done really well as no explaining how generations work and the history of the time notes. I thought that was a fascinating as well so I. I am big round of applause to Christiane think he said I love criticism but he's managed to he's managed to have a narrative arc all the way through the series We've had formal thrills in this series and the finale ended Belichick with a huge bang as well so I feel I feel satisfied. I wasn't sure where it was going to go after. We reviewed last week's episode. But I feel satisfied. I I think that was really good. Fillali so I mean one interesting in both piece of storytelling. I guess is the the island scenes from last time which were kind of incomprehensible time. Now turn out to be a parable. For what actually happened to the doctor and say if you sort of follow the the the the scenes in the in the life of Brenton through and then with the sort of voice over from the Matrix he can sort of see parallels in both stories. And it's you know unlike maybe a passage from the Bible in that regard I mean and that's interesting and bold piece of storytelling. I'm and I'm not quite sure why that would work better than just showing us in sort of draw away. The the the story of the other doctors being found in the early part of our life rather than that being very foist today for an ending clips and we sing an awful lot of brandini turns out. Just be the analog but you know I mean I guess. It's at least an interesting way of doing it. Play with joking around about Netflix earlier. As sitting watching all that division backstory thought this is screaming of Spin. Offs is just going to say we got to the end of their reliance employed when the master is talking to are willing to adults through. There were lots employed. She this vision that she is being having been plagued by Roy. She having seen things in island or there's a strange subtitles kept on saying island. I sa N D Ireland. But there was an implication. I thought that's that don't use actually having these visions rights which didn't appear to be there in the well. Certainly. Yes definitely assist I think cuevas whether or not it's something that was left boy tech Titan as ascending as a clue to what happened in her post so so yes I mean that was set you set. We didn't get the impression last week that this was just completely strange. Poudel still leave other than something. That was that adults as having having been troubled by flashes off this story. And I didn't know whether if you will be watching ascension this week which is whether or not you felt with you know just sitting hints that no I. I didn't I mean of course because I watched him in order. I didn't get to see ascension after having had thought kind of revelation yes but nonetheless it still just appeared to be perfectly no standard story in the League. Fini other parts again on their missed. Yeah some some things that were in there. But it's it's interesting you know. I think the funny thing is they have a marvelously. They've yeah they pick away this. This is basically and I didn't find it although it was kind of nodding along. Sir Not don't of the developments in the way that fans do having botched together pieces of law and so on and and and joined adults of what's being told us in the past by multiple voices. Yeah a lot of it was very pleased. He consistently system. We've we've already figured out we've always needed A. We always knew that the tunnels were clause apart from and that. Yeah that was that not. Everyone guy was a time though that the that the show will get so an invasion of time. We're not didn't have we generation of busy or anything like that and the people dwelt outside the capital. So there's been a longstanding assumption that regeneration something that got invented at some at some points and I guess most people pretty dancer. Put IT DOWN. Vassallo mega as being part of that That thing so that kind of makes sense and then the continental most of that stuff wasn't at bulletin attempt to doing some of this stuff but they did the hints. Were still there back in season. Twenty five twenty six about these things and it's it's wonderful that chimneys. Come up with what he's done has actually retroactively validated. A lot of that stuff that it being kind of swept under the carpet united might even might even end up founded icing. Mcgann's human at some point in the future but depending on where they go with whether how you just suddenly becoming aware with us in particular generation but yes. I think it's very well handles. Yeah I mean my my only I mean I'm sorry are quite like the thought that's gone into the right corner My only quibble with it really is that on face. Value appears to be throwing away gala Frei the time lords the master around the Cyberman in order to give us the conclusion. Now I mean it. May well be that the master had a. Hamdi kind of a escape chamber before the button was finally pressed and took some time with him but it seems like gala freight actually being destroyed still quite a high cost to to sort of sort at that particular gap in the law. But anyway I mean that's that's Christie Amal storytelling choice in there. May they may still be reason for that. And something who fans will remember that we spent mentor to going through the number of times that gala phrase being being Darren back to so we wouldn't surprise greatly returned at some point. Yes does that seem to be a fairly final finally ending? The only thing that I was seventy nice little touches a lower the I. I hope I find it. It's very hard to judge from from the insight as fan about quite how much of that how well that was explained for the benefit of the Dominican casual viewer into insert somebody who's absolutely no steep to seek to everything it felt like it was all pretty well spells out as you went along but there was also nice little touches of references to stuff all the way along. That is Asinine so the thing I didn't I kind of expenses that since they had set out the death particle so that checkouts deaf brought to you by feeding them. Epi says up already so so y'all got to use that because fully expecting to them. The solution was going to be the one I suddenly thought. That's how you say. Destroy Gather fighting all that cyber whatever they will cyber monster incipient signs slow man would be to to a Buffalo Albany and and have a job back in the backhoe via says seven swallow Gadaffi. We should be more of a law into sort of. You had a nice with two in tens of what we know that how how tight about society was founded so much we know anything about the begins it will be more elegant than inventing an imaginary destructive device from nowhere. I'm Ben telling you all about it was sort of the story and then deploying it right to the end well you know I think I suppose the the photo from an internal point of view from a from a purely script writing of you. I guess the same would have happened. That you've been you. Try to explain that the the eye of Home Neil that would have made sense of long-term fans would still from the plenty of general viewership hoping macguffin being invented in true being invented in the Senate acts in order to save his old applause whereas at least with the especially assaulted somebody with a with an earlier. Flashback or something that you see the idea that there was a swing so mad about so assignment. How how do you feel? It's dealt with your forty years or so. Dr Who found you do sort of feel satisfied with with with a wreck on light grunt yeah it explained regeneration and I got really co op in this series. We're going to say in the story. Arc and I was happy with the way explained doctor turning up. I don't know if it struck you in the same way but we had the master taunting the doctrines saying. Oh you're not gonna like what you find out it's going to be awful and it's it's going to blow your mind but I started thinking. Well he's actually doing a big favor. He's he's explaining how you go here and and you know the rationale for so many different things so I thought the most actually doing our big favor in the end. That felt a bit strange. Yes yeah it didn't undermine Canada's dialogue it did not undermine who the Delta fundamentally is just gave a bunch of new questions to to ask whether I think that was that thank goodness was the was both what they got much about it but but I guess a lot of people and went into it with some trepidation about whenever whenever you know that. Big changes footing in these things Yeah Bill was you know we don't want don't WanNa housing. I think very Ed. They maintain the status of what went before. So it's all it's all provided and and Stanford so ground doesn't feel like has been undermined by by the new revelations it says that's you know hopefully a greatest debts to it. That's the trick. What I anticipate was we had the the you know. I talked to Reef Tony. Up to the doctor learning about the division and I thought well is this going to point so as the time actually not being a force for good and this the doctors member the divisions gone around being allowed to intervene in affairs of of a of a species in a period of time. And they've actually done lots of terrible things. I thought that was what the most was going to. You know you've had a hand at all destroying galaxies and helping the dollar Helping the doll extinct. Something awful like that. That's what I thought. The big reveal is GonNa be and that he's actually thought that gala phrase destroyed but that never happened Perhaps we'll find out more as time goes on. I mean I did think on this occasion Joe Martin. Little bit short-changed with a cameo hope that we get to see her again at some point next year though whenever the comes back because From that from the the little bit that we got in In in her story and DOT COM. You'll be nice. Bit More of her character. Yeah government puts this in the division. I was that cat was in the the woman who appears to be running the division of recruiting. I think it's possible. Yes right but Nelson same. It wasn't the same mattress only to be doesn't have to be watching that. Chrysler wondering maybe this is. This is one of these things wikipedia Google without the answer. So maybe to. Maybe I'll do some research while we were chatting away the other thing. Cd LOVES IS When did also gave them the full force as it were. If a doctor issues you know too vague has the Patriots. Did everyone among civil flashbacks that we had the MOEBIUS doctors. Yes this is another love. The little Yeah not yet. Another other little book. Sticking exercises niggling gutsiness. A robot homes. It's the Dr That would be on the front cover of at some point. Get did anyone else think I was talking about the great special effects and the the high production valleys but the actual I'm not sure what to call them. The the cyber lords of the Cyber Mousters I actually thought with With bribes in the hate gear and everything there must be something dead ringers and the John Cultural Sketches. I don't if and if you caught the sketches where we saw with the cyber family. They look like they're dressed up to go out somewhere so that undermined by undermine otherwise it was very enjoyable Bitch Eva. Yeah no worse. I guess than those Golden Angels in Fortunate damned or something like that but yes it was. It was a little bit camp here so yeah I mean the the only sort of slight hole that in in the plot haven't satisfactory resolved is at the start of the episode. Seidman burst in and chasing after the The four people in in that huge great carrier one of them get Bisi does quite quickly the other sort of nip down a side passage. But it's no evidence that there isn't somewhere that man follow theft few off the Cyberman but for some reason they just seem quite content to let him go off. Have a bit of a Nafta Nixon sipe suits and then join the scouting party in a instead of going from having this relentless pursuit across galaxy and they think they have a scanner says obvious this three of them in there and then suddenly they cotton bowl to find them when they're on ship so I'd take now in a clearly. You've got to find a way for them to escape to make the story where later on just to see a little bit Easy though particular Sky I liked them hiding inside the shower. Sivan that I had all the all the episodes we've seen people hiding inside Dolly gassings things. I thought that was nice. Yeah it was officially done. Nice done bit. I think that so. You've got this this sort of warring thing going on at least until in the early part the episode between the loan side the man the Siberian. That's in him. And the rest of the CYBERMAN. It feels like than masters able to appeal to the sort of not quite cyber thing within the lane side amounted to join him as party skinks. It didn't feel like it would is a natural fit for this to the math assignment to join the master and get regeneration. I mean maybe they might go for maybe them then they might not but given that they have all the aces and he's just a single person even the the thing but then it how powerful that his they sort of give up their advantage too tall girl on site in but but maybe that's because the the influence of the Lane Cyberman and ask for a beer. It's not it's kind of less clear what its goal is to me but maybe you you feel something one of you. That explains how to build better inside. Man was bit harshly. Traces in the final. I think the whole ascension of the segment thing might make sense as a title. In retrospect they kind of salt. He's he's forty victims of muscle. Tissue compression and immunized was a bit of a throwaway gag. Shame shame fit into the category would have liked to offended. Bit Mobile his motivation Cueva. So and he won't go beat leading off into the fatty sort of health. Complaisant cease aware. That was gonna put them quite as fleshed out as I had hoped he would be but then I guess we must be go. Plus we got bamboozled into expressing that we will get to see see his origin story but boy as we found out just in just about enough in them in the visited Elsie. App said anyway. Maybe it wasn't angle too than that. Sure yeah that was a bit of a bit of a premature and I thought the destruction of the cyber carrier and that unqualified citadel. That was that was a doctor. He's great staffer explosions. That was that was very good as well. Oh My oh my woman. Moaning about some of the the budget stuff in essential discipleship more than mater that in the website so Always ready replacing. They put put out all the stops for that sort of final final fifty minutes or so I sink right by Senate is very good. I think And it goes action as just yesterday. They all looked sadly rather noisier than the doctors. It was Yes yeah but she didn't last very long. So that was okay. And I did like the return to the crashing into them cliffhanger into the into the next episode thing. I think we've had of what what what didn't we. Yes spit at events way different incidents but it was there that was question as to the not and completely other expensive because oversee. I guess we knew we need to ever get a delegation of Christmas. So it didn't expect fidgeting Vesta the switcheroo between the doctrine co Shamas at the end reminded me a bit of them getting Mr Prosser to lie down in the mud in front of the required a certain suspension of disbelief. Everyone prepared to just stand around. Waiting wants the doctor hands over this stuff to coach running off in the direction and say okay right. Imagine we were back where we are next but you know I mean. I guess if you're prepared to accept that then then it. Kinda works okay. It turns out it wasn't Irish in the end. Either you know you say shame aside sacred Sharma's per se any else you wanNA say about About last week's episode. Before we move on that is going to be one bathhouse. Hsieh Yo sort of explains. The housing shortage doesn't if all these semi detached houses are really tired as you could make an awful lot of money. Couldn't you a renting out a room at time? But it's all through the one. Are we doing Diane Contagion now? So if you WANNA talk sort of inclusion about yes about the story or the or the series of whatever before we move onto ten Clinton yeah sure yeah I think it points to some interesting directions in which they can they can go. Let's give it a light touch. Well we we wait and see an in some ways. It's a piece of but we will wait and see whether or not because you know. The fiftieth anniversary appear to hold onto stuff. Then that was going to be like this could run and one for years. Yep and as a visit underlying theme tantalizing hints droughts and so on and instead it was kind of funny forgotten about for year now from them result. Yes without any without any particular. Fm on the part of Capote's daughters go on some massive quest together for he stumbled across it in the end up having a couple of hissy fits about being defined. Well yeah I mean it was. It was the Odyssey without the journey. Wasn't I mean. He took him three billion years to Chisel through the diamond. You didn't have to go very far. Yeah so I think. Hopefully this'll be handled the against seven you industry but those are still the doctor intensive the character the we know in love and hopefully we can get on with having having some good adventures without feeding we have to develop the about the show embassies of this plot proceeds of the the kind of who is Delta mystery. Going forward visit some interesting possibilities though I guess. Simon Yep nicely summed up there by by John. Art derails too much is wetted rapid sites or find out more about what went on under the auspices of of the division and. Dr Ray is still a bit of a mystery as well my appetites well and truly wetted for the next series and more reveals was I think Yeah yeah he just doesn't that the the special is going to be particularly de without so that's something we can kind of stand alone and then maybe they'll more in a series that yeah well interesting yes. It's interesting snippets coming out about researching at times. The coding as it were as yet will you fitting us in on that one either causing changes costing changes all over the press today so I think the major spoilers but Bradley Walsh has announced that he's leaving after the Christmas special because the Schilling is is pretty fool on. He's any sixtieth year. And he's he's funny at heart so he's he's saying goodbye and toasting. Cole Ryan has gone apart in a big American TV show so you can ditch the Sheffield accent for good. Let's be with his here and hopefully fame because I'm sure he's a nice guy away from today's show and everything and he comes across as a nice guys went to meet to be fair to him or he goes great. Better things and goes on to the right Chris. I that's that's good news for Israel. Yeah Yeah and then mandate publicity stunt Z. Four yes sir. Thank police say. They've held onto the one with his Carta Development. Still to buy. Yes yes I was. GonNa say it's doubly so because today on Roy and runs. Carry charactered suffered under the burden of having to have those of sort of character development too many things certain as tame as we've discussed it feels like Graham's grams journey. We know what's going on particular book as well and so on some if his okay. It's going to be ashamed to this Bradley because he may be triggered phone. That feels that hopefully. I think there's still more still. He's heading they can tell with mandate with you know with you as that will be actually focused on the couch with specific hangups whereas as as we said we went back to Can you hear me? You know for that one they they wisely instead of giving one further further demons to fights they may they may they may about his might stays Yep so there's still more can be done with yeah's and hopefully with one other male companion. I guess maybe that'll come back this old well who will be an interesting to. Yes we his reputation with two ladies and the tortoise well it would be fantastic. I should have an entirely Atari Yorkshire crew. It'd be without precedent indoctrinate. But I'm sure it call to happen. Yes as an stand also. This took that maxine. Hilton is going to be joining. The team is what's being discussed as being cold vita whatever that means for the next series which is After a reception for fidelity can only be a good thing. I think but I wonder whether that revolve showing of the bed. And from Christiano whole whether that's GonNa be inova to other people's skits putting putting a final gloss on things rewritten the dialogue in this one. I think that would've elevated it. I mean absolutely yes because because it was quite a lot of quite dull and clunky stuff which you wear compared with the with the kind of light dialogue in dotty so yeah I mean I think that Yeah I'd I'd be very happy to see more of her work in the series. Yeah I was just discussing weekly defended the weekend about the issue with Donald on trying to pinpoint quit white. Doesn't look for me and for the people that doesn't seem to. Yeah but for the papers were and thing that gets me because we were talking about the fact that it's chicken houses reputation in churches. That wasn't a Chevy piece of whip. Count maybe the photos because chip. No voids what is essentially naturalistic dialogue. Most sewing and yet delta. Who Doesn't get naturalistic performances? Doesn't ask for naturalistic performances and accessible. Turn out who do a completely different thing. I straight to Armagh than what they will do. Adult to. And I know I know until you've got pulled our not. That kind of went civil goes completely over the so. But I'm just wondering whether that's the thing whether that's the issue that because people in so I find and as the axis as view as we. We have a tuned to expect a certain level of performance and a certain out of eight. Sing when watching. Don't to all occupied any Sifi but We'll fantasy program I. I wonder whether it's the mismatch between chip. Devising would is quite naturalistic dog. It seems to me which and whether whether therefore comes off as flat because it's being performed by access to the still pitching the acting slightly high on the scale. Is that makes any if that makes any kind of sense. But I think you're right in saying that naturalistic dialogue. Going to work in this of heightened situations that doctor who exists in because you economy natural natural situation so I think that's why the kind of Mafa task old Italian if when can you say you know the the quickey lines. Whatever I mean. It's not. It's not realistic. To have people actually speak but but it bring situation to life and it allows the position to happen in funny or interesting startling way rather than in a kind of a bunch of slightly lumping exchanges. I don't think that for me. That didn't hit US hard in the last couple of stories. Because this kind of you know there's lots of visually interesting stuff going on so you can sort of live with the fact that the dialogues less exciting whereas when you get something like one of the ones last year stories not doing anything much view either then it all falls flat yes besides requires much. No no not not at so. I've always seriously worried about the future of the show off to the last series the lack of thrills in particular but we've had plenty of rollercoaster rights. I think the dialog you write the dialogues being better from my perspective. It's been better anyway. And he's I think he's he's pulled off carrying a story are cold away through right to the very end of this loss store in the end of the series so tough my counter chip. I think now we could. It is is So is that the shedding in the marketing information. Yeah get bums on seats to to she said to Venice is. This is worth watching at the moment. Well you got something worth selling. It's easier to sell Ya. I guess the problem. We've we've got the appetite last season but the product was wrong. And then you've got the product right but APPETI- slide well if you can get the right product in the right appetite together. Then it could be much improved. But yes I think they may struggle to reach the the highest of the off early whitaker simply because in fewer encouraged to watch something and it wasn't quite as good as you ping. It's hard to come back a second time in less what you're going to be sharing them is extraordinarily so particularly ability darty but but those last two were quite visually exciting. Let's hope that in a good special next. Yeah Christmas or New. Year means that there's more appetite when it comes back. Funneling we need possibly possibly decision will be getting casting kill on the liver. Catherine Tate for the new for the new companion through. Get some someone within two to watch it. But he's troy and then be invest. If I'm if I'm honest as well from a personal perspective this is slightly out of scope for this cost but my my attention from twenty thirteen onwards was expecting all these holds up missing episodes to return every week. And then I got caught on watching each new episode be looking for a clue that the faceless ones have been recovered or something and I wasn't watching and enjoying it properly for what it was so you know. I've come white attention locked again on this as progress might as I love and I'm very pleased. This last series has been it's been it's been good big improvement on recent series in recent years. And I'm enjoying watching Jodie whittaker as well I think she's really made the role in this series. She came in criticism so unfair but I think that was down to the road saying she didn't really stand out crowd. Is this the lead character but this series? She's really stumped to mark on the row. She's had so loved terrific speech delivered impeccably. And I think she's come across as really strong doctor as well so I think by swell up by. The point of the monster is absolutely fantastic. Yeah Okay I think we if we've ever going to talk about it. We better move on to the tenth planet. Not More plenty Saipem an now. You must less try and get in touch of our audience. I told you it is impossible for them to get back now. The pull off. Netflix is who strong piece? Let us try please. It is a foregone conclusion. You are wasting time however if you wish to contact them. I have no objection. Look at the viewing figures now. It's a celebrating. Can't we do anything to stop them? There'd be under Scape Versi now. They can't possibly the end to the other night. Just dropped a little four million now. Perhaps you can see that you're in great and imminent danger. What about those poor viewers? Perhaps you will cooperate. Net flicks drew them away. It was unavoidable. What's happening. The energy of series. Eleven is nearly exhausted. And now we turn to its twin and we'll gather energy from series love gather energy but for how long until it is all gone but that means that serious twelve. Oh Tie yes. Everything on series twelve will stop to. He can't can't stand there and tell me I'm going to stop writing. You are not going to stop writing. Hell we could survive. There's no scientific certainty that this is a dying series. I prefer to take my chances here. You must come and ride with us but we cannot Ri- view you'll you'll different. You've got no storytelling storytelling. I do not understand that word. Storytelling plot theme character development. Having no storytelling center come to series eleven and you will have no need of storytelling. You will become like us like here. We have initial public goodwill high ratings. And a good press. Do you prefer to die in misery but surely it's possible. I not to view as week after week. It is inevitable then you really don't mind if I series dies why should I mind? Because millions. Millions of people will be forced to watch dancing on ice. They're going to suffer horribly. I shall not be affected. Don't you think of anything except yourself? I am equipped to survive. I am only interested in serve. Ifo ANYTHING ELSE. Is of no importance. You're series death will not affect me. But I can't make you understand you condemning doctor who to die have you know heart. No that is one of the weaknesses that I have removed. Well the story that we chose is a tenth planet by Gerry Davis and Kit pedler in which a mysterious planet appears in the Solar System bringing strange visitors to the earth and disrupting its space program. There are there are I guess. More common themes to what we've just been talking about them the Cyberman but certainly one of the of the key reasons for discussing this one is is the debut story for the cyber then and perhaps that's the point of comparison. He wants to have to to kick off with some thought about ten point looking back. I was thinking Paul boy. This is GonNa look dated having just watched. Essentially if the Seidman not so at an ice contemporary feel much of the heart and also it was sort of intermittent historical followed by a fantasy adventure faraway in spicing time. But although the tenth planet set in one thousand nine hundred eighty six. Which was in the far-flung era of twenty years on from when the such Phil I didn't think fell to dated sitting there watching it with the snowcap base and everything I thought was thoroughly gripping and and even without the Seidman the whole story of the captial getting into jeopardy because of the gravitational pull of any planet e without Cyberman. I think that was so well done. That would have been gripping with the cyberman compare favorably inattentive planet with what we see now will actually they did because I think Simon never more frightening the when you catch them as sort of semi human and you can see being converted the lot you and I but we've out. We've all the emotion strips away and augmented strength and everything and I thought no terrific. I loved I scenes where they march across the sny relentlessly and karate chop the men trying to break into the soldiers trying to break into the toutes and then They steal into the base unnoticed and pull off their parkas and I just terrific stuff is really classic stuff. And that was a nice eero though is heart and those latter years. That was a really Nice era with. I tried to give it more. Contemporary fill with the the war machines and and then the tenth planet slightly in the future Granted sixties fill so I I like those sorts of stories and thoroughly enjoyed even even the animated episode. Four that was fantastic planet. Fifty five did a terrific job. It's a sign of a good store and a good animation. It just segues nicely from the last existing episode episode three straight into the episode four and they held my attention all the way through to the end. Alum a huge Ben and polly fan as well. So it's lovely seeing them. Ben Got Formal today. Because I'm forty. Four William Tunnel wasn't very well. It's hope by the time. This was filmed so ben got a lot more today. So we're lucky to be able to see that much of Benham. Pauline this episode as well so I teach all's flow Yes I really invented this first time in a while I emphasise. Dvd came out. So I guess five years ago go seven years ago now. Shocking is interesting looking at it from this point of view because one thing to struck me was the son mounted much. No it's interesting to the catalyst. The Mondays is the Catholic for everything that happens but a siphon the two incursions into the base in episodes two and four really absolute one is as you say video poker Sunday. The astronauts and the the space capsule and then episode three video about Cutler and his sentence into desperation and stopping the stopping Zad poems depot. Which is it's interesting. Because it's I think he's a clever construction for not putting view that it takes his the basic concept and we don't have for obsessive mention to break into the base was considering. This is the archetypal the first base on the siege story really in the thirty points away to a lot of loss of what we're hearing expected to trout nearer with with various isolated basis by. Cliche cliche international and effective sexism. Polly making the tea and coffee. Exactly yes yeah. But it's remarkable for the festival's coined. It's is doing interesting. It doesn't just with our last night. Does it takes the facing the core concepts and says okay. Here's some interesting plots. That arises kind of Mini Adventures woman is still is always asked this basic conceit yes? It's funny what you said Giles. Subsidies spun about the Cyberman not being that much but the most brutal act in the whole story is when Cutler Cops Hold Ben when Ben's trying to sabotage the Zebo Young's been backwards over Riley onto his hate presumably on a steel floor. And that was. That was didn't just pull a gun on something. They just young tim either. That was presume poor of Michael Crisis. Well the the backstory was he he touted operations for a chip and he's nice and the operation nearly killed him because it burst a blood vessel and there he was on the set having to inhale you know artificial snow until the action scenes as well so that in particular that provoked if that was a stuntman stunt man. That was done really famously. Mike Lee. That made me wince when I watched it You you were talking about the base under siege thing and harassed looks forward to track nothing it also looks back to the hall story the Ark. Because that's where you got the security kitchen and you've got the routine control room and also the security projection room. It does seem to actually have any anywhere to put. Prisoners seem slightly off that they decide to stick that prisoners right in the middle of all the action but how could be for for what follows so we will not much. Devastation may be chuckle out the target Nevada. But I love the talk enough about that. Was I mean they know it exactly Warren pesos? Talking Novas but that was not devoured as soon as a bullet and I seem to remember the inner protection that the film Ben Watches a James Bond Film in. Talking novel possibly. Yeah I was wondering what it was in this vote. We actually see on the screen so going back to your point jobs about how the Seidman aunt offered in it. I think You know one might make us a similar comment about last week's episode. Two in the end saw a mentor to an awful lot. You know they're a threat. And there and Eric their constant threat but there are a threat slightly off camera. And it's the same really in this one it's more. It's more about what they could do than what they actually do to. During the course of a story yes. Yeah interestingly in this one the Seidman can't change anything in fact in fact not only can the Cyberman not change anything. The DOCTOR CAN'T CHANGE ANYTHING. Autho and in fact it's another Chekhov's gun in the doctor says the start of episode two. Well it's GONNA keep drawing the energy until it explodes essentially then wait until the ended up at four one choice too much energy enemies flights as he predicted back in episode two. Yes and whatever that Cyprus to wherever the doctor did and to some extent wherever humans to he's just kind of waiting for that snap and now of course there's always the danger that particularly for the astronauts pedal but also I suppose for the people around the world. That may not be long enough before you know terrible things before them but but thankfully I guess. They managed to do enough when when that moment arrives. You know they're all still okay Sent with seven. Thousand Zippo it. Not that they stayed up pretty much explicitly there that they they need to still be awake for wait for NATO schools as adulterers predicted. Amin you mentioned the two assaults on the base and in fact there are three four assaults on the bay so this this this is the first time they sneak in which sort of seems reasonable the second time they they use the three weapons that they've got the soldiers to fire all to fight off a bunch of maybe ten or twelve. They seem to pick up at least six more weapons from the debt side and lying there and yet a few minutes later. I don't know three or four or five men seem to sneak into the base when nobody's watching because I mean admittedly while cutlets having a meltdown. Perhaps that's a good example of how a base falls apart when the command loses sight of what's important starts going a bit matair sets of. Maybe he hasn't set the necessary centuries up and they last segment to come in but it s interesting. And then there's there's a fourth time right at the very end with the fantastically label Seidman. What's his name Sharf? Apparently so yes minister krill with the first leader the second elitist called crime. There's another seidman called Jarl or Y'all one in Geneva that's particularly sing song is called. Gern and this. This last one appears only to say resistance is useless and then blow up is called shaft check. They stop having named after that only canoe cross work. I'm trucking yes. This is the first time we get a good thing. What happens over? She's pretty sure? This is the first to get a global invasion storyline as well where we have the ships then the planet as represented by aside member teams won't be one movie. Geneva is good as failings from a a staging point of view. But you just have to take the rough with the smooth but But yes of course it's mountainous do and you can tell it's quite to dynamic. I think Cabeza stuff. You have quite a bit of moving camera stuff. That's going on and I think that's especially by the sort of in the Geneva the Geneva Adamus those yeah that says up so they kind of trapped camera Lampley around the set Just lucky because the Geneva Steffi's otherwise coys city and so and let staging the segments. First appearance is is pretty done. I think the whole ambush because trying to get into this. I think I think what we've got a studio bound. Nineteen sixty show in black and white. You can't do an awful lot more than the what they do with this. So yeah but but yes. You're right in saying that. It doesn't timeshare and Geneva is a cipher for the rest of the world and the space capsule works quite well because at chillier cramped studio standing quite well for cramped space cap to Yes. Everyone knows what a what a Space Control things should look like from from the NASA footage to that that works for him as well and actually the the filming outside the base. They got a nice large stage on which that happens so it does give the segment a chance to sort of wandering from at least middle distance rather than the Kinda terrible time flight scenario where you're always bumping into the camera before we start moving towards it. Yes yeah the opening shots of the epicenter races. I mean they that. Just use stock footage of somewhere cold and snowing and I mean if you sorry guys probably Boyatzis who my quibbles. Each week about well. If if the current surge doctor can't convince me they're really in the Maldives or Hong Kong and I'm not I'm not gonNA suspend disbelief the rest of it but ten funny is just use a bit of stock footage and the acting and the story so good he. You don't mind that. It studio bounded creeks here now. You're you totally sucked into going to the theater. When the acting in the production soak it. He mind that is just a stage and it's a night they make the absolute most of Saint Simon's would have killed them to to show a Lima from a wildlife documentary. Yes it just a touch. As well we've cutler I mean it sets the mold for the Bison decisions and he has the he has. The command. Gradually melt down in cracks under the pressure but to start with these very effectivity sets up the tactics perfectly to beat off that cyberman attack using the weapons as the centuries in the right place at three. You have the plucky number two. Barkley he steps into safe. Diane Help Siphon plays yes. He's really good. And then you. You always have to cowardly Carl of the characters name. But there's the cowardly weasley want. He wants to surrender in Deisler in bed yet. Tell Ben not to take any chances. You've got all that supporting cast the centuries Tito and and the SAJJAN. Insulin is just fantastic. Character Element So you just love the way. It's put on like a theater. Production all those old heart nose and a lot of the drought as well and I asked what they stand the test of time. I think because the shy well put together. I think harmless quite good episodes wanting to as well I mean say although. He's a bit of a bystander. I mean let's face it. When the last time we looked at the crusade he was a bit of a bystander. In that too but he he gets the opportunity to have scenes here and there seems you're even right at the end of his run here. He seems very much. You know the the full thirst Dr Package in those two episodes. Yeah I mean clearly. Obviously he's not in the third one and by the time the fourth one comes along east got ten minutes where again he eats. These peace periphery decent and then he kind of faded out of the storyline via the saints in the Control Room. So I won congestion centric. It's real showing says because he appears to be fully insured you know. Once cutler his gunned down hippest we WANNA steps up and takes his yes fatty inflict fatty full full full. I delta mode so is a shame that we don't have that to to see but yeah now is that it's a great shame it episode three Yeah that he was ill for that week for them. Although of course it's by no means unusual for docker to disappear in this year for for that I it stands that it's no worse than say one of the episodes seats of death were in attracting goes Lies on it on a trolley. Awesome WH- partly of self disappears for a couple of weeks in Sierra L. E. Baroness. Yes yes so. That is the case you know as a stand it was it was much more short notice that some more or less funding that started the week saying he was. He was off to to a cold so they had to into hasty revision. Loins is it's just more saying that we know of making the show at this time. It's just a just a shame that happen to them at such a pivotal moment that yeah go with one of his last potential buffoons is. I guess agreed. Because he's he's not even it's not even in the last surviving episode episode three. I guess what what it what it perhaps tells the lighter so so when might If you believe the propaganda you might believe that he became progressively more irascible as a person and and hard to handle because he kind of not unreasonably felt like he knew what he was doing. He was increasingly unwell and less able to learn the lines because of his arteriosclerosis. I mean there's all that going on and yet you so th the myth would say and his performance deteriorated well in fact. That's not obvious to us in. This performance seems entirely fine even if it was harder work for everyone else around him in the making of it and then also there's this weird notion that Mafia has twice upon a time that is going around doing kind of sexist things and being a bit of an embarrassment and there's no evidence at all in the tenth planet. I mean you know. The people making the sexist remarks or is everyone else in. The first doctor is not particularly feminist. But you know I'm helping Paulie out. And that's but he's not. He's not adding to the problem. No let's say it is. I think the director has some questions to answer. That seem putting us to get on the bunk. That was really blaming people complaining about Zoe frustrated necas when we talked about the Crusades guys. We talked about some lovely plans that heart noted and right in the start of the story. cutlass bowling them out for being intruders on his beloved base. Hotwheel comes up with that lovely line can you? Can you speak up? A death? With assault raised arched eyebrow. That was that was really lovely. Good good guest coast in this. We we've mentioned Berkeley over David Dot. He made a big actor. He's he's good but then you've got to two big names really well we'll beatty was Was a famous nine and then I'll cameron as well Who was who was a big old cameras. Probably you know of kind of looking at the respective credits. I think you have another cable bt. I guess he's Got Kinda go to those can idea. I guess it was going to act AFO Americans on the British screen low budget British films and British TV especially. I was listening very for extra couple of months ago. They repeated in vintage drama. Slot a Cvc Did in about Nineteen Sixty. One called destination fire. They say the five inspects of fine shows investigator just quite fun. But I think his reputation possibly stems from the fatty he reported on the blitz. So he voice over stuff that the BBC did for the American markets in terms of fills of essential America that was what was undergoing during the blitz but they know cameron quits quits the Big Stove Eddie. When he done beating Goldfinger I think the year before this mandatum video out of quite reputation since I think poodle. London was his first his breakout role late forties. So it's nice. It's it's nice to see something in it. Puzzles Without Cohen Soul. The KAMANI astronaut happens to be happens to be black. You know I think it's possibly given how without wishing to open a can of worms given how problematic some of the other the other pulse in sixties. Don't take the vital for black axes so they can't be satanist. It's nice to it's it's IT'S A. It's a good strong role Sam. It's been kind of positive outcome. It's just take for granted. This is Nice Yankees. Get with the program man. That's good. We never saw that. Cyber hit cyber Hypno- power thing where they can put a hand on people's heads gaps again. Duke we think Is there something in revenge? Yes the back of his head. Does yes album. I guess similar enough. They shoot bolts off their fingertips. Sometimes I in in the main base. I think in the wheel in space as well hypnotize people. Yes but it's still think I still think that's the story where you see the Cyberman at that might stay evil. The whaling spice. 'cause they're pretty vicious in that again. Come onto cracking under the stress. Yes it's interesting. Cut this pope. So this is a complete non sequitur. Yes we count the as as I think you said earlier. He's he's very efficient. I and organize the defense is the basins and the stowing taking absolute initial excitement. And then anybody starts to crack. What some basic unbelievably foolish operational decision that. The astronaut relation setup is the guy this is the son of the guy that ensures the pay the pacers onto each home. Yes I'd have. We also voted tears instead see skis. But what's and it's interesting that the treatment When I was GONNA say it's interesting the way they are not entirely unsympathetic because they haven't become the monsters that we we just didn't know what to make them really. They seem to make fatty reason agreements times and quite. I like the way Ben shoots one with a weapon and spin is quite Kosova. Babs it is quite traumas buys oil so that that big weather when they had the the diagnosis reading what month is up to draining the energy and so on. And so it's just it's just may may be concerned with cataloging cataloging the stuff ageism the names and ages and keeps asking. Dawson's age yes and It's it's quite nice. It's it's like a mad. Magnus Magnusson Awesome. Yeah yes I think you're right that they they are clearly more A bunch of people. But you know but but altered rather than a race of of robots we stay you know at that. When they're handled sensitively they sometimes become often but single says it should be. Yes yes I mean by by Moon Base. Only a few months later there's hardly discernible difference between them. They very much become ciphers. Really yes both Stories are fairly obviously cannon changes soon. Ten Tenth Planet suddenly provides regeneration as a possibility and doesn't doesn't try to explain it at this point. We're going to have to wait for parody dialects to go through through that and then does make the the series a bit broader and deeper. Yes yes oh doctor. Who's always changing it it? It's exactly what it is until the isn't anymore. And you know the the the ten planets is not one of those when the doctor who is a story about An old guy and his companions until there isn't Yeah Nasty per which is the strength of the series in the business still going. I guess six years seven years. I've already discussed the fact that you've you've got a checkoffs gun in both cases and the doctor also is is not really the agent in either of these two stories either in both cases. The doctor is fairly helpless. In in Hartnell case these these in the Control Room Pretty Car Redo very much in Whitaker's case. She is literally paralyzed for large chunk of it. And then when she isn't she's not necessarily do much when he does get the chance. I suppose if agency right towards the end that then becomes a plot point cheetahs to pull back from it. But if a much of the episodes she's in the same position and the harmless in the tenth planet. True interesting point and I mean in my last and and fatuous I suppose similarity is that in both cases you get unexpected survivals. I think everyone expected that one. Or more of the doctor's companions was going to cop it in a timeless children and Terry Cutler. Ps disappeared off the radar in Intel amazingly them and You know seem to survive intact at the end yes point and he also is or if you want to say about these two stories neither summation by Richard. It was just fascinating to see how from their first appearance to their latest the Cyberman of evolve. But they still offer the same inhuman threat again. The great shame perhaps with the tarnish children how easy the the loan cyber was killed off because he was probably the very latest evolution of the of the Cyberman. It would have been interesting to see how if the development him to live longer into the upside how we could confronted the master at the end that that would have been really good. Finale think very we think about the cyber matter how logical they are always seem to off them in the end in in rather basic way and I mean a tenth planet? It's inevitable in the main bikes but it's another check owners to gravity on it this gold? They seem to have a remarkable number of basic weaknesses. Ideas you know so so. They eliminated all the weaknesses except the ones that they need to have. A plot purposes shamed with sinus children as you were saying so but I guess it's the biggest trade the men so the function Muslim fences foot soldiers for a spokesperson and in that case is very straightforward to exchange the incitement being the united in the most of his spokesperson said in the mid eighty faded into the background except to say potential fake to the fans and still allow me for the most to two-wheeled which is fair enough for the purposes. That plummeted possibly does a bit of a disservice and incitement in particular. Who I think would have been yeah might might have had multiple saying but it is what is this and I think I think generally together pretty well is a great side story there somewhere on the monsters that seem to and we were talking about fidelity what is the best. I've never been actually in the most diminish some consistently thought-through instill involving them okay. We'll look thanks to both of you for your your thoughts on both of these stories and on the conclusion to series twelve and and that brief look ahead to what might lie Beyond for for the the doctor so and thanks to all of our listeners. For bearing through. What's probably a relatively long episode? We partner come to the end of series twelve half the opportunity to to to pick and choose some stories to the cat. I mean certainly. We're going to be interested in the faceless ones. That's coming at his ninety mation few weeks. We're still threatening to take an interest in the recent colorization of Dali master-plan episode to an. I'm expecting that to feature one of our upcoming episodes. But Yeah we've we won't be coming to you probably quite as frequently as we have over the last few weeks but we still plan to come over the next few months with a variety of stories from the deep passed in the not-so-distant past and I think our format will continue to bring entertainment and a little bit of interest on the way so thanks. Simon of thanks Johnson we look forward to being with you again. Sometime soon. I'll keep as for tonight's on but it's going to be nice to have a little bit of equipment I guess. What trump mill. Thanks everyone for this thing. Yeah hope built numbers too. Do that. The city that'll production points in the plans. I didn't mention that as I'll say for this bill at the end way. Stick we start. It's the fact that the international television news basically so so cooperation because they just stuck out. Am Suck of April piece of paper with International Television News printed on. Its point there on the set. There's no no he spent Smith you like that in the sixties. What started the eighties?

Cyberman Ben Watches Seidman Saint Simon Geneva Netflix Chris Simon Holly Richard Giles Cole Ryan Roy Diane Contagion Galway County youtube Uk Cutler Donahue Hartnell Christus Danika Japanese
All Ball - Pt. 1: Long Beach St. HC Dan Monson on Laying Gonzaga Foundation, Mark Few Early Years, '99 NCAA Tourney Run

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

1:04:08 hr | 3 months ago

All Ball - Pt. 1: Long Beach St. HC Dan Monson on Laying Gonzaga Foundation, Mark Few Early Years, '99 NCAA Tourney Run

"When you're ready to place a bet on today's games do with the most trusted name in online sports. Betting bet rivers sportsbook now legal in several states and growing bedroom sportsbook delivers a unique sports betting experience featuring live streaming sports in game wagering fast authorizations on most withdrawals and gold standard customer service could bet rivers dot com. See for yourself must be twenty one and be present in colorado illinois indiana and pennsylvania to play gambling problem. Go one eight hundred gambler. Oh god gandy dancer is were phrenologists. What about a knocker upper believe it or not these are all actual jobs from the past and the stories behind them are fascinating. I'm matt beat. And i'm helen. Honk at every week. We take a look at different occupation. That is now jobs elite on our new podcast called. You guessed it jobs elite. Check it out on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your guests this is all all ball. All the time Couple of things. I want to get to and then dan monson is my guest. This is gonna be two part pod and you're just you're not gonna wanna miss partout. It's part one is amazing. Partout is even better so but that doesn't mean she download partout and not listen to part one we start with with the beginnings of what i thought was a basketball career turned out. Do you know he was a football player in college as well how he got into college coaching Like being his dad He actually had to minors. And one of those miners was actually. They're both the reason that he became coach. There's a. There's a bunch to get to so dan monson who is one of the he he was. He was the coach of of gonzaga when they went to eight and they may well have their best team ever. This year will see the number one team in the country. We talk to mark view. We talked about the gonzaga family. There's a just a a an incredible like a crap ton of great stories in this pod. i do wanna say this one thing on on On on the brooklyn nets. There's there's a lot of discussion. And frankly i think reasonable discussion on kyrie irving and how he's difficult. I don't know how much he really wants to be playing basketball right now. And at the end of the day you're going to have to if not every nba champion east drinks. Sleeps everything basketball. Not not every guy does some of them. It's just what they did. I don't think derek jeter loved baseball. He never asked me never watched baseball when he was playing baseball. A night off was like he was watching ball. Went out about that. He did even now with what he does with the yankee what he does with his own team the marlins i'm not sure he's all about ball. That doesn't mean you can't beat me. He's arguably the greatest player of our generation. I would argue otherwise but again. There's an argument there. Mr yankee shortstop champion clutch player etc. But as much as we want to point out the flaws of kyrie irving dribbles too much. He thinks he's a defensive better defense player than he is. He's hard to coach and no one knows if he's around tomorrow evening plays great tonight. I think there's a chance. This thing. Works with james harden as the facilitator and kevin durant and kyrie irving as the scores doesn't mean that there won't be nights in which james harden gets his. It doesn't mean that you couldn't see a way in which if they could move kyrie irving and get pieces they probably would. But you can't because no one knows of a shovel work tomorrow. But let's not defame kyrie irving that guy can seriously hoop. He is a bucket. He is the best ball handling finishing guard in the league. It's some of the other little nonsense the things he says some of the things he does that drives people crazy but mostly because he has so much god given talent and he's had so much productivity when he's been healthy in the nba. I'm not a seller. I think i'm kind of a buyer. Because i don't really love any other teams in the east are. Let's get to our podcast. Dan monson has been the head coach for longtime with long beach state but once upon a time he was the head coach of tiny little gonzaga and after taking over they went to the elite eight in two years he went to the nit and then delete eight and And then you left and we'll get to whether or not there's remorse how he looks back to watch the games. Cheer for the team. Did he always. There's some good stories about minnesota and hear some incredible stories about gonzaga. Opio enjoy my conversation. Here's ed coach. The forty niners long beach state. Dan monson okay. Let me just start with this is. Our lives are not similar east But we both grew up in basketball households. What was the and household. Like when you were kit. That's a that's a great question. Because i wanna know what the godly household was like because down here in orange county. You know your dad. Your dad was like running a you and all that i think The probably the difference was in mind. Is i didn't have a brother It was just me and my dad all the time and so When it was time to go to practice you know it was like a big deal. When i didn't have school and could go in the yellow school bus. Would he was a high school coach to begin with a and yellow school bus. Who come up around the elementary school. The pick me up with the team on it. I mean that was the coolest thing for the whole playground. Get on high school. Bus was was pretty cool. So i've great memories you know but i don't know i don't know how your dad was with it but but my dad was adamant for me not to get into it Yeah he'd coaching. Yeah he did not want to be a coach he always said. Hey you're you're too smart. You know this you know you see all the pitfalls in everybody else's sees the the you know the good parts of it and everything. But i was a junior at at idaho in in a accounting class. Sophomore junior year they had to the you had to start picking The actual accounting classes. I started like a cold sweat like you may be doing people's taxes for the rest of my life. I can't do that. So i i home for sunday dinner. Because he was Idaho at the time and i was I was going to university of idaho. And so i always come home to get my laundry done for my mom and get a free cooked meal and i was nervous. I i said you know as you as we have. We have a lot of traits of our dads and and a lot of well. He was shoveling food in like my kids. Do like i do you know manners do it at all just over there. Just not even looking up. You know. Just eat said data. I got something i wanna talk about. I said i wanna be a coach and he didn't even quit eating Food is mouth when he answered he said. You want to be a coach cuza. 'cause i coach coach because you wanna coach and i said data. It's it's i. it's it's what i it's all. I know it's what i wanna do is what i want to be. It's it's what i wanna do. And i can't i wanna get do peoples taxes. I don't wanna be that person and he didn't say a word he got up around. The table gave me a big hug and said but you're not gonna major in p. e. or too smart for that but i'm you know he just wanted me to do you know for the right reasons and You know my my son is mcguire is is with a student assistant with leon rice. At boise i tell. My boys is great. You know because it's been so great for me. And and i can't imagine doing anything else Okay but you. You played for him. What was that like. What's the experience of playing for your dad like in college. You know the interesting thing about me is is i i know you. You played at notre dame and and and Oklahoma state. And so. I didn't i was not. I was not a college player. I i played high school. And i was better than football and i actually played for dennis. Erickson at yours of idaho football for two years and tore a toward. Aco my senior in high school with your knee in college playing for him. I hurt my knee my in my my right knee. I tore my acl my freshman year at idaho playing football and so i. I had a void in my in my day every day. Then at three o'clock i didn't know what to do so i started going to basketball practice. 'cause i knew more about basketball. You know my dad's there and everything. So i just went to practice every day my junior senior year and And just sat there. You know with my big back. Then you had a cast from your from your hip to your ankle you know for year you were laid up with the aclu so That you know. I always knew more about. I was just a better football player. Cup coming out of highschool liz. Recently he was good. He was a player coach. I you know i. I enjoyed my time. I was nothing. I you know. i I have my. My career was three kickoff Kickoff teams and tore my knee my freshman year there. So you know lebanon. More in terms like was very successful at miami at oregon state and i just. I'm fascinated by you know. Coaching it's coaching. I like the does i understand is is different in terms of football and you know you have other systems position groups in so the stop but there is something to being able to motivate organize And get everybody collectively pushing towards one goal. I'm just wondering as a as a kid who grew up in a coach's household what dennis erickson was like and what you remember about his coaching style that that still resonates. Today he was very good. You know all those things. He was really good he i was. I was Defensive back and so but he was offensive genius before ahead of his time. Just spreading the field out and that i just remember him. You know a nervous He threw up before every game. That was a dentist erickson He just would be very high. Strung nervous vary but You know just Really jump on people for small details. He's a great coach. You know at proved out. I mean you know he. He went everywhere he was at in idaho. Start so you get done. You got a degree in. What is like math or something. You have been computer science and pe minors. Yeah so you did do the pe thing. Even though i didn't major in. I am wondering what the minor but that was again but to be to be a high school coach back then i had it might cage brittany so i'm sure okay so you go to oregon to be a high school coach for now doubt now. Dad was a head. Coaching your so oregon and Would that math degree he was right. I mean back then. There was a shortage of math teachers. I had five job interviews five offers. I mean i could with any high school because they they're short math teachers at wanted to coach so I ended up going to oregon city high school right out suburbs of portland because it was far enough away but i could still go the duck games and watch his teams and start my own and and i was a jv basketball coach and start off eleven. Oh and then. The head coach dole. Two of my players put him up on varsity in better. We we we struggle that after that but It was a time in my life. But the problem i had is after teaching five math classes. I didn't know if i wanted to coach anymore. I was so tired. You know you'd already. You've already done. Basically five practices Before you got the practice in so You know. I kind of started doubting coaching really. What is what i wanted to do. So i went to the final four that year and And i met jean bart Swimming pool and And actually everybody thinks my dad got me in. But my mom knew bartos from the nike coaches trip and And so she's talking to mrs bartolo and he asked me what i was doing everything and i i said i i wanna get. I wanna be a graduate assistant somewhere. And he's really icees his. I lost my Asked me two questions. I never forget. You have a car. i said. Yeah and he said are you married. I said no. He said i might have a spot for you. You know so You know. I was like beverly hillbillies you know. Packed up the truck yet in moved across country to To birmingham alabama for two years. And and the time of my life. That's where you know when you talk about coaches. That's where i really learned. Always tell people that that. I learned what it was to be a coach for my dad and judd. He's co 'cause. I was around them as a kid. Really formulated as you know. You know you really see the back you know backstage pass to. What is the What is to be a coach. But i learned xs and os and how how to coach. Dan fitzgerald gonzaga in june barbecues. Gene bartos really interesting because my dad and judd were just so old school you know daily dozen twelve different ways to shoot a lay in you know left hand under Off the right foot on the left side. Gene bartow was just the opposite. Darned if you can't shoot with that left hand why would you use it. You have just you know. Get that mall it ball. I mean he was a very simplistic Great coach in a whole different way. And so i learned a whole bunch of birmingham those two years. Okay so your you know your your life was a pacific northwest in moscow and then lansing in the back of It was cheney and then to lansing and then to moscow and the to organ. So you arrive. In birmingham alabama birmingham alabama. What's your first memories of opening up your car door and what the early part of your life is like a you know i love my experience. I just was taken back by people still fighting the civil war there. You know you know and and as you have a year like this year with the black lives matter movement and stuff. I remember going for a jog my first week and went to the track there. And it's so humid and going to the in getting a drink and finding y water was so cold and it was one of those ovation with just a little knobs. That you didn't touch water was just always running. And i looked down and a habit in grade f. h. o. r. f. w. For whites only. And i was like. You're kidding me. I was just taken back. That the that would still be on a drinking fountain You know in nineteen eighty-seven and even One time Gene bartow comes in and he was just a master up. You didn't know what. When asked dan not to get in my office. I need you and your graduate assistant. You're running in you don't you. Don't one time it's you know A a you don't anything this afternoon. No coach what you need. He said well. My darn cool guy. Quit on me. Ruth need some help at the house you know. Can you go vacuum out. You know so. Jabs time i walk in there. And he's like oh boy the pool he or you know some commercial you need to stand but whatever you know stand by guy He says Michael jordan's in town. I need a murray. And i his son murray and i we're going to take him out for round of golf this afternoon Need a force. I heard your pretty good can. Can you go with us. And i couldn't get home and call enough people before the time you know but but the the sad part about it was he was a member of shoal creek and he was so embarrassed because he calls show creek and they wouldn't let us on because michael jordan was african american. Mrs nineteen eighty seven and we had to go to inverness which is another nice course in town. By about the twelfth hole people were coming out and cards and i said to michael I said is it always like this. He goes nah he goes usually they find us on the front nine anyway. Good stories. yeah but birmingham was awesome. Awesome experience but but just a different culture of life that i lived in the northwest. How'd you how'd you get back to the pacific northwest. An ankle jacket. Well funny but You know because at that computer science minor that was a big deal back then. Nobody knew what a computer was. And so dad was head. Coach at oregon. And so on the summers i would go. And i'd run his camp for him and that's where the as you call it and some other people call the guns egg mafias really started was at the camp because I was I i would have that whole a camp on on a computer program and who would be what court at. What time win. Lunch was and all this. And so i'd also have to hire the coaches so the coach creswell high school was one of them. Hey can i bring my assistant. I'm like yeah this mark view guy you know high school whatever. Go ahead and bring him. Billy greer was assisted a cottage grove. High school where we're just looking for coaches you know so Leon rice was the coach. Boise now is billy greer's out at colorado. I know you know all these. Doug but So we all worked. The camping and mike. Peterson was the women's assistant coach and he worked the camp to while mike Mike was got to my dad. Helped him get the head job at at at gonzaga as a women's coach because he got from the oregon was assistant so so mike had told me. Hey you know you such a good job with your dad's camp. Can you help us out. Here gonzaga's oh the two summers that i was at uab. Iran my dad's camping in i work Gonzaga so i got no fits nate. They had an opening on that but that's that's kind of where you know My connections war camp was really a big part of it. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more that shakespeare it's geico. Am that shakespeare from one of his published works which be not for awakening. Gaitho the batteries for fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more no. It's from geico because they help. Save people money. I hate to break it to you but kyko got it from shakespeare geico fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more when you're ready to place a bet on today's games do with the most trusted name in online sports. Betting bet rivers sportsbook now legal in several states and growing bedroom sportsbook delivers a unique sports betting experience featuring live streaming sports in game wagering fast authorizations on most withdrawals and gold standard customer service could bet rivers dot com. See for yourself must be twenty one and be present in colorado illinois indiana and pennsylvania to play gambling problem. Call one eight hundred gambler. We have a at what point time that you like. okay. I'm going back to beat. Well i got my masters. It took two years and then i would win anywhere. I remember Coach morgan sailor. At i think it was northern illinois. I got one interview there but but as you know as everybody knows that stabbed from graduate assistant to a full time assistant i would have went anywhere in the country for that for that opportunity to individuals and it was just so fortunate that i was able to go where the town i was born in. You know i was born in spokane. I had all four grandparents alive at the time that lived in spokane and it was really kind of all or nothing. I didn't really have backup plan. I interviewed with. And i remember walking out of the interview at the final four and in from his hotel room with dan fitzgerald. And he did like if you knew fits. He did like ninety percent of the talking. I had all this stuff prepared to tell him everything. I walked out just so dejected. Because i'm like. I'm not getting that job. I don't know what else i you know i. I don't i don't know where to go or what to do. You know that's the only division job i really haven't a hopper and And i remember he told pete. Mike peterson the women's coach. At the time he said yeah he thought it went really. Well really okay. Well let's roll with it then. And i ended up getting the job and You know i was just second assistant there and then A year later the the head assistant. was was gone and so he moved me up to the head assistant and Well actually the first year. I got there with a the. Oh job or back then. It was restricted. Earn shop was open. He said is any you have anybody. I'm you know. He's twenty years older than me. Fits was he's like. I don't know any of these young guys that can do this job and he said So i went back to my guys a camp and And i i asked mark few i and and mark will tell you it was five hundred dollars a year but he's he he's he's making so much money now he can't remember. How much was back in. But it was a five thousand dollar job like five hundred. A month is what it was and and he's god. I'd love to get into college coaching so bad but i can't. I can't afford to do that. So i tried a couple other guys to get somebody even back then. This is eighty eighty eight. Yeah this eighty eight even back then. Five thousand was. You just couldn't live on that. So i went back to him about a month later. I said look. I've got a two bedroom apartment. I said what have you live in other a bedroom for free. Could you come do this. And he says yeah. I think i could make that happen. So that's how mark got gonzaga then the following year the head assistant Laughed and so. I got moved up from second to first markup moved up full time so we did the same thing we bought. Billy greer in As as a graduate assistant Or restricted earnings guy. We've got a lot better deal when when billy came. Because he's kinda as you know the felix unger of the group. I mean he cooked cleaned. Mark martin come with any of those skill sets so okay. So what do you remember your first year. Glenn zach us all anybody can think of now. Gonzaga is winning the league and they they actually skipped the stockton. And then there's a gap and then your run in the ncaa tournament and then what few he has done. What you remember about gonzaga when you first got there as as a team Doug spradley and jimmy fee with your best players. A european one hundred team in the wc now as backward pepper aberdeen was rolling right and that was right when lmu started getting going transfers. Yup what would you remember about about that those conservatives My first my first day there they had a recruit in He was gonna walk on but he was The but they were really high on recruiting in his name. Jamie dudley and jamie deadly was a a point guard Same high school steve. Kerr pacific palisades. They're touting next. Steve kerr and so. I was really excited. You know to to meet this kid and everything and He comes with his dad. His dad was a doctor. Knew nothing about basketball. They're walking across the old martin center and go over to meet him and his dad. First of all takes his shoes off because he was so didn't realize you know that's that's like nineteen sixty s when you couldn't wear dress shoes on by Up yeah so. He takes his shoes off. And i look over and i'm thinking well he's got a little brother. He must be in the bathroom or something. Because this kid was nine duds is. He's not five nine. I mean we listened to find that he's five eight five seven whatever but back then he was. He had to be one hundred and thirty pounds. Hundred you know. I mean he was just it was. I'm like my and i'm coming from. Uab where we had some dudes now. We had some players. I mean you was sweet. Sixteen teamed and been to the Nca from seven eight years and stuff so That was my first memory of and i'm like wow. This is the kind of guys recruiting here and jane. Jamie is a friend of mine now. He's gonna kill me. When here's this but but i got so i gotta say. He ended up being a starting to really good player. There and i was totally wrong by judging by book by its cover but it was a whole different. You know the kenna was first game there. May maybe five hundred people there. My four grandparents were sitting there proud in a section by themselves. You know They were the only ones with reserved seats. Everybody else would. Why would you pay when you could get a general admission tickets for half the price and not have to sit behind the bench so It was a it Mark said to the final four. The whole thing was built brick by brick and the right way but it was a slow slow process and it started really with a foundation and a in a brick at the bottom of the totem pole. Fits would take out. He would drink red wine and we would sit there. You know single guys. Just look at it the clock. How long are we gonna be here nights. You know night after night and he would tell us every time he had a lot of the same old stories but one of us is tried and true ones was. This is the worst job in Wctc and he had all these facts in. Were all true you know. He said he said weather weather. I mean we don't have the weather san diego or any. La or or portland. We we have the least amount of players in our area which which is true. You know. I mean the area hurt or portland or any of that. We have the worst facility besides besides saint mary's and we're the most remote for recruits to get to in of their family so he had a lot of really good points of why it was where it was and and the only one not really listened to that was mark. I mean every time he you know. And that's what makes mark who he is and where guns egg is now because you know every tiny here something like that. It would just You you can just see Actually see is the skin turn on him and the the look on his face was just like a not on that listening to this. Your first goodyear. When you were there really was ninety. One ninety two because you went. I sure there your five hundred. You guys were terrible for season. One like nine or nine games And then The team with jeff. Brown gerry davis e end up finishing fourth in w. c. c. You win twenty The the next next year you win. Nineteen ten foreign league. What what what. I hadn't fitz coach. Like what was. His style was always unique about his coach. He was super negative. It's just super old school. You know we have some great. I mean we we do a whole podcast on fit stories if you got mark bill united for that one. Mark won't do it because he's making. He's the godfather began. Yeah exactly we have to have the godfather but but fits. It's what's probably the because we we always say. Learn more not to do than to do but we learned a lot of valuable. Lessons fits but The the best negatively one was one time we lost a jump ball and he just stopped his feet mark. And i both because we're on each side of immune thought we were gonna lose. Lose are going to lose my right foot. He was doing his left but just just stood up and just stared us both down into ballgame because we lost a jump ball. There's thirty nine minutes. Fifty eight seconds left. He'll bogging. I can relate to that so far mcafee recruited me said to notre dame and Digger wasn't there but digger is still around and he was broadcast time but he was always in the train where i can always had an opinion on everything and many an entertaining guy so i go to phrase house. One time after practice. You know like. I was really bad. You know like freshmen. Come in. they think they're going to be really good. So bad practice. Not just in a bad place. So i said what was what was digger like. He's like okay. I'll give you my best digger. I my least favorite favorite digger story ago. He said no. He fucking faded indiana pop night and pay and he wanted so whoever got that scout. You better have everything to do the job with the end. Is that really much to stout right. They don't do anything. I run that little triangle. They run two different types emotion. They've won imbalanced play. And then you just kinda got to study their personnel like there's no place they just run motion and he wants to know everything they do when they did why they did everything. He lost. seventeen pounds. I every night. I'm watching. I watched literally every indiana game. It was like the third game of the year. You know every indiana game for last two years and this is you know. Portia synergy and like you're watching legit tape and winding and second play. The game ball goes out of bounds on the road basket. And they'd they'd always run one. Kinda imbalanced plates. I can't do grant forever. Which is basically at four guys on the baseline and you just kinda circle. Guidance strong side corner goes to the weak side corner. The guy that weeks headquartered comes off the staggered strikes. that's all they run. That's it that's it you know. Maybe sometimes the big will screen for each other but we prepared for it for a week and they were the lineup in a completely different set. And he's like here. I am like shoot. Doesn't fit me. it's hanging off mate. And look like i'm i'm going to chemo. I really look back. Because all i put all my energy in preseason into this indiana scout What is that. he's like like the practice. he hired the different l. Same thing like it's it is interesting and it's interesting because you jaide at least outwardly. And i don't know what he was like as a coach hourly What you funniest human beings. I've ever met dirties the funniest human beings i have ever met. But so many of those older coaches and i find myself coaching kids struggling with because i was raised in a household of whether it's like negativity right. Where just somebody makes a mistake jumping. And it's it's interesting that that's how it. That's that's how the game was taught then and it is not his evolved in many ways to not be taught in nearly thank. Gosh yeah and know But fits you know like those guys that he was a good coach he knew you know i mean the xs knows and we learned a lot from him In a lot like like we're saying a lot of things we wouldn't because he was super hard on us and like i don't think to this day we we. We add packed. If we ever get to be a head. Coach will never have a meeting the night of a game after gaining too emotional. 'cause we would call a paper out because you know he would run a jump ball. Jump ball was a big deal to him. You know you had to prepare. You had to win you know in the lower their tipping everything. He during a jump ball back ten times. We're like this is going to be a paper route. 'cause we're gonna go home in the paper is going to be sitting right there and we're gonna see the paper boy you know going around the neighborhood because it's going to be five in the morning before we get out of here you know so but but You know those guys just and my dad were in fits were lot. They had a lot of similarities. Just how they coach like. I said you know left hand lanes in and jump stops and you know the game the game now in kids. Just don't respond to the or to that kind of a coaching style anymore. So we've all they've all And we're all better for it. I think you know in the long run did did it went. It settled in ninety four. You guys won the won. The league was but it did. It didn't become a thing. Gonzaga didn't become tournament. why wasn't it it. didn't it didn't hit until you became. You became the head coach. Why wasn't why wasn't good. Zag more on the map at that point. Well i think it was. It was still still evolving. You know in the fact that That that that group that you said you know that one the league the first year those guys were. I think the first recruiting class. We had a as assistance lease. I was there. Mark came next year and that group that group change gonzaga's mind to change culture lot. We richard five guys in a halfway through the year. We quit scrimmaging because they would just annihilate in confidence wise. They were so much better than the guys were put on four together. Yuri said we won nine games to his credit. You know he bit the but that year because all of didn't need a redshirt could've played jeff brown obviously couldn't because he was A transfer from a washington at the time but we had matt stanford i think a deadly might have been part of that jeff Assured davis was part of that matt stanford Who who all want part of that team. That won a championship. Wall was the center of that of that scout team. And so you know the thing about that program that is always the culture of it's always been is Like even my team in ninety nine nine that went to lead eight on that team. It had i think three or four guys at least paid one year of college and it had about five or six guys that that had red-shirted and You know that that's kind of always been a staple gonzaga is you. Wait your turn. You know you develop You know you get stronger. You know becoming a chip on your shoulder. You're not the player. You wanna be that you you know you can be and we're gonna we're gonna develop you and get you get you there in a year or two and you know that that that was the start of that kinda culture knows that those five guys sitting out and we did win the league and then we didn't sustain it and ended up I take a couple more years but we never. We were on the cusp. We were different program after we won that in two thousand. And what would you say was yet many four as a lot ago. I can't remember all of them. I know there's a lot of blood postgame meetings said you wouldn't have that you actually never have unless we're in the next day. Well i mean a meeting had drinking a beer. Is it really any right is it is it. Is it related good afternoon. Would you like to try a free sample of our double fudge. Brownie bash very good. I'll just take one more just to be sure. Yep still very good. Some things never change like never being able to take just one free sample and geico serving folks. Lots of money on their car insurance macadamia nut i taste. We'd take one more sir. I thought so fifteen minutes could save you. Fifteen percent or more geico knows their mini reasons. Why you ride from the exciting adventure of the daily commute to the peace of mind that geico always has your back with twenty four seven access to claim service and legendary customer service but pamela had one reason in particular my skin is extremely averse to most fabrics except for the soft buttery feeling of leather thankfully. I found my clan of leather lovers in the biking community. It's been life changing geigo motorcycle. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more what happened. It's his last year. When went bad at the end right. I mean guys what would happen. At the end. it went to We went He had a decent year. I think i forget what his record was but they Three years before he retired The university eastern washington opened up and john johnson. A desire talked to both my dad. And i i my dad and my dad's like i'm retired. I'm not interested in so then he. He offered me the job. I went into fits and i said hey i think i'm gonna go to eastern. I'm ready to be a head coach. He says i know you're ready. But he goes you. Don't you don't wanna do that. He goes you can't win. They're they don't have the resources he goes. You're you're crazy. You don't just go be a head coach to be a head coach and i said well i don't know if the east it's let's talk about tomorrow. You know. stick a night. So i call said i need a couple of days so he comes back. The next day should okay. What if i coach five more years and father cog says you know we can promise you that the job and i said you know five years you know at the end when you're young twenty. I don't know what i was. I was i guess. Thirty thirty five thirty. I'm like i can't wait. You know i mean this five more years is our living you know so i said i don't think so i think i'm gonna do. He comes back the next day. I talked to darlene. How about if. I coach this year next year and we promise should i said yeah. That'd be you know so. I was coaching waiting for go out. We go out recruit the one that that year before my first and he didn't go out at all. We got crucified recruiting wise. In fact that everybody was well. Well how you going to go with this young staff. None of i've ever been a head coach. You know all that and yet it became a blessing. Because the casey cavalry's of the world that said screw it. This is who i wanna play for. And i'm gonna show you guys this is gonna go. That was our santangelo was already already on board but I think richie and matt where those first two guys that really believed in us okay c. c. takeover and you have bacardi hendrix. How'd you how'd you get car. The cari i. I saw the car even that the year before in vegas at one of those j. c. You know off. She should go to vegas. Now there's a million high school but there's one jc tournament. And i really liked his game. And i i remember. Never forget calling him and and And saying hey you know we're going to recruit your next year and everything you know. I really liked what you saw. We're gonna need a big man you know he's gonna be my. I'm going to be the coach in a year or so and and you know really love the have you. Because he was yet another year junior college left in so i had to end the phone call. I said now if we're gonna do this you know we're gonna recruit you gotta have good grades and i give him. The academics built a good school. And we gotta make sure that you keep your grades up. He goes he goes all. I'm a good student. Which every every jc guys gonna tell you. I'm a good student when i said i. What do you mean by good student. He goes well. I'm a predictor riot. I could you know. I predicted out of high school. I said you mean you're eligible right now. I said he said he is does. Your jc coach that he goes. Yeah he just doesn't tell anybody or something like that. And i said well. We got a scholarship now. Would you be interested in coming now. And so i think you know we kind of quote unquote stole him because nobody really knew that he had three years and could back. Then you know. That wasn't a very normal path for kids to get the division one and yeah and he was You know he was a man out of Forget what junior college out of out of northern california but he came up and I remember He committed to me and then Reneged and went on a visit to new orleans and came back and and was gonna go there. And i said hey you you are you. Tell me your manual. Wording your shame dominican gonzaga. 'cause think new orleans Place than we were at that time you know that was kind of got people were recruiting against okay so santangelo Now for the record. I think santangelo gets lost in all the discussions about the Cards like his. I i remember in your first year flipping on. Espn late at night and watching. Wc games like this can and watches kind of late night. had about his recruitment that was all mark. Mark had a a vendetta against fits fits was is far as recruiting goes because fits would Get passive recruiting anybody to pack back into pac ten pac. Ten was recruiting Because hey your waste schools money. You know you you guys stupid. You know you can't. You're not ever going beat. You know when it comes down to those kids are going to just a long string you along. But the end of the day they're gonna go to a pac ten school so just despite because they just go ahead on so many things just to spite him. Mark would only recruit guys that had a pack twelve score on their list and so So santangelo was his three schools that he visited was was a stanford rice and gonzaga. And that shows you the and back. Then i mean those. Those two schools were academically and athletically had was as a no brainer for a kid and saying that mark has that quality that that you know and people that know him though his ability to to make people believe something i mean he can go off on. I dunno climate control and whatever he wants and make you whatever side. You're on convince you the other way. I mean he i. I heard him for hours. 'cause marketing bill. Now we lived together for eight years mark. Marcy lived with me the first year. They're married you know got enough. Get their own house so you know. Listen to every recruiting call in i. Even i was. I was kinda bit side. I'm like this kids. Go into stanford okay. He is coming here. You know and mark would give him the oh you think stanford he goes really. So what you're telling me is is your. You don't like basketball. You're not a basketball player in like they were like a top ten in the country basketball. Why he said. Because you're you're not gonna play there. They got this guy they got this guy that got this guy. So you're going to go for the education m l. car and wave a towel on the end of the bench because you know they already got two or three point guards and so you don't really you don't really care about your career and he would just any have ability to do it and say it in a way where he would challenge the the kid but not kiss him off which you know is is an art form and and You know i remember we. There weren't a lot of games on but it turned on one and write us on a visit and rice upsets. I don't you know Not not texas but texas tech or somebody at home. And he's out in the middle in the they got him on a field Tear down the goalposts and he's on. You could see him on there. And we're like we're not get miss kid. There's no way even stanford doesn't will stanford as down at long beach now Gwen mcdonald's in hall of fame here and it was an nba player. And his son. Michael mcdonald ends up going from Going to stanton head. Yeah yeah michael mcdonald. S effort takes michael mcdonnell and And so they don't end up going on matt and And mark just dug it out through the with rice and and convinced him that he add one thing he convinced to is that he can redshirt gonzaga because he was He wasn't he wasn't deadly size. He was six one or to maybe Maybe not maybe six foot. But he's super avalanche but he was one hundred forty five fifty pounds and he came in and red shirted his first year in in played for a year and played a year for me to remark. And as and you're right on. I mean he was the he and he and clinton hall The great thing about those teams as they had two point guards on it and they could. They played off each other on an app. Always said you know two point guards. And i think i heard you say that on. Tv the other day that Two point guards is really a dangerous way to play. Because you know you're so versatile you can't knock down stuff. And i think i think and and i think that one of the things is that we we underrate or we don't understand the humorist especially during standard non basketball people status. Even guys like me and quitting hall could shoot right. The fact is that the more the more guards you have the fewer turnovers. You're going to have and the some guards overlap. Okay but by large more guards the we know the weakness to it rebounding obviously interior defense. But you're gonna turn over less. You're also i believe always gonna shoot a higher percentage because it's not just that they pass more a cast better. I depended korean. They create for others to right. So so you had that and then you had okay. What about richie. Because ritchie became after his career The best player. I played some in the nba ritchie was. I played with him at portsmouth. Unbelievable shooter and you could move and catch it with great balance. Very good player. How'd you get richie. Richie was a battleground washington. You know just He didn't have a lot of recruitment he was again. It's kind of gonzaga. Mold of getting guys under the radar in that. He wasn't very developed ritchie in the nba. And even last year's god's got me he had a great basketball body. I mean he was six six chiseled and and but he didn't come that way. I mean he was he was six four or five and gangly and and and we can all all he had really was at jump. Shot coming out of high school and it couldn't really put it on a florida all and Just a just kind of a catch and shoot guy but but we really valued shooting a ball at gonzaga and he was just us in portland where his is Last two schools we start to have a little bit more success than You know and he was. He was a real key because Because at area you know his familiarity than than he kind of brought. Zach gordon and And dan dick ow Were like from that same. Fifteen mile radius knew each other and so he ended up being a one for three package. down the road. You're to later. Okay axel dench. i remember. I played some with axel dench. Here's a great personality. And that was before aussies. Were kinda the thing really. I think in the wctc right for saint. Mary's rents are getting his office. Will that came from My my dad when he got when he got Done at oregon I think that was eighty two He went one year Professionally in use. The coach of the adelaide thirty sixers over in adelaide australia and ninety two ninety eight ninety two that yeah absolutely and So i went over visiting him and assistant at gonzaga and he had a A young sixteen year old. Like six seventy up being seven foot but six ten really skilled kid in paul rogers on his developmental team and So i was able to quote unquote. you know. Get a relationship going with him and and met a couple of people over there at. I met the melbourne melbourne. I met the gm got his number and that kind of thing. So and we had john really but john really. We didn't get through any pipeline. John really came over on his own. Now he's assistant at santa barbara and and he was he was he was the guy that got zags the very first nca tournament. I remember he said. Wc record for. And i remember one of the time. I was just an assistant for fits and i remember telling the guys guys if you'll just get out of the way john's going to get us to the ncaa tournament. I he. He said i think he had thirteen threes in the tournament. Seven in the championship game or something crazy but He came over on his own. And just went to tacoma community. College and john has a great story about that. You know morgan. I go over to watch him and he wasn't marks kind of player mark originally was again. He was into the pac twelve athletes. Go john we went over. Watch them on a one on zero workout and and He he shot the mess out of the ball. I mean john could just. I mean without anybody out there and the thing with him is he could face guard him for twenty minutes. But if you let him go after the twenty first minute lost him. I mean it wasn't didn't matter. He hadn't touched the ball twenty minutes. It was going in. He could really shoot but at the end of that workout. After you know as john we'll tell the story. Thought he really impressed us. Marks to mah jong. Can you show us your best dunk. Like oh my god. I'm not that's what they're looking for the wrong guy. But anyway so we did have a little bit of pipeline from my dad over there for year. And i got a couple of connections and so Actual actual one though. I just took the the a flyer on as far as i hadn't seen him play and fitz is like. Hey you know you trust these people and they told me was sixteen and and you know usually when you go to meet him on to get him off the plane. They're usually six five you know. And but he was everything they they build him up to be. You know erskine big man and Intricate cog in that in that guns iran. You know it's interesting so your first year. You guys win the league. I then you lost in the conference finals right so you went the it and You play games in it did that. I mean i get. I don't know at the time. Was that part of the mentality that changed the next year. Was that you guys just got better. And that's why you made the run. The next year added that or did you learn as a coach because that's also your first year as a coach. What from that first year helped you with that second that that was just a culture of the program. Then you know those. Like i said we had a lot of guys that had walked on the didn't feel like that they had you know The door or should thought that they should've been a players at the pac twelve level or had red-shirted and we were better team in ninety eight. It was a better team than the ninety nine team that went to the lead eight. It had all the same guys. Only picardy hendrix's player of the year in the league and he was just a stud. You know so we we. We had everybody come back ninety nine but we lost him and but the chip on her shoulder and the the You know expectations after winning a league the year before and and if they would have had the net or the you know all the the technology rating it was. Rpi was crazy like a year before the rpi. They would add any of that that team nca tournament. I mean we had. We had you know a lot of quality. You know power five wins but they just weren't taken teams and they didn't have to take and we not only. We only not only got snubbed by the ncaa but but the nit takes us and for a party. Well-meaning party gift. They send stabbed Me wyoming who only lost the majority in utah that you're at home to altitude just to get rid of us. You know we go there. We win And and you know kinda exciting. The locker room were proven that we we should've went to the ncaa tournament. directors congratulations. This is like a tuesday thursday. You're playing in in hawaii. So we gotta get from laramie wyoming to hawaiian twenty four hours and ended up losing their so. The guy's really felt you know From ninety eight. We're capable of that. And i think that was the the key to that team. A key. the culture of gonzaga. They've been proved trying to prove every you know. Everybody always doubts. Some doesn't think that they're the team they should be. Or you know that they're getting you know You know this little cinderella that that you know a fun story. But they're not really as good as people are saying and that that that meant mindset and culture is continue for twenty years. The next year obviously wasn't just went to the tournament. Right it was. You guys thumped everybody in the wcc right like kick the crap out of portland. You beat saint. Mary's by thirteen. And then you beat santa clara by like thirty in the in the championship like these are no doubt in santa clara and santa clara cap house. I was worried about that. Because you know we'd already beat twice pretty good in a regular season. Now you gotta go to their place you know and that was. That was all matt santangelo. I mean he he. He had thirty some and he just Again he had heard the noise enough and as you said he was really underrated and getting this whole thing started okay so you go to ironically minnesota in the ncaa tournament and now you're gonna cute little fuzzy little little gonzaga How'd you feel because you had played some majors in both the past in both those two years. How'd you feel about that team Good good i mean. We felt we felt like it was a good draw. I mean they. They gave us a lot of respect. I think we were twelve seed you know. And that was pretty high for a gun for a mid major school back. Then you know and and you know we felt minnesota. We looked at they. Had you know the lewis and clark show to really lewis i know was a nba player for a long time and and You know but We get the pre game meal. There's this big Scuttle or you know they really have the internet back then so we didn't really but but there was a a breaking story out of minneapolis that they had this academic scandal and that some of their guys are gonna sit and we didn't know who practiced all week on triangle in to a lot of different. Different look you know We had quitting hall. You know on on lewis. I remember that because it was like six seven and and we ended up going to boxer one. 'cause clark did not play. He was one of the guys. They sat. But i remember telling her guys. Look they're still gonna take out five big players ninety. You guys are big ten players. You all know that. Y'all got snubbed there. So you know we we just gotta worry about ourselves and that team had a great ability to do that and And there's a picture of quinton you know just trying to guard this scott seven guy who who never scored on him. I don't think you know and and You know we won the game but the guys weren't that excited it was like a they had you know we're kind of in a bubble. You know they. They felt like they belong. There and and really played trying on. Tuesday is interesting because you used it. I've seen self employed used it. I i saw a good amount hausa colleges could shoot some appeal. It does not of to what. Why do you think and we do. This thing will recall junk. Defense gotta jump defense at you know as if as if taking the two best players out of the game is somehow some underhanded philosophy right Was your data guy like how did you. Why why would you use it. And so many others will not on. My dad is a huge. He's a huge zone. He still every game last week. i i said well Guy the guys just don't believe in its own. Well yeah you gave it to possessions. You really gave it a good chance. There didn't you dan. You know you soon as they hit that one shot. You're out of it you know and Yeah my dad was. My dad prided himself on on his defensive schemes and taking people out taking the best player out in different types of boxing ones different types of triangle into different different types zones and actually he he enjoyed. He's co developed the match up zone And and and michigan state won a national championship with the but the problem was three point. Line came in and it really up. You know kind of a stretch that out was it became a little bit harder to run. You get ready for yukon late and and they got got a rip hamilton. They got cleaned mean. Who by the way clear. L mean i remember correctly. I think he was like oh of twelve in that game he was it was. It was bad now. Santangelo is bad to a neither could could could hit a shot when you think back to that day. What what would you have any regrets. You know that's a great thing you know the only regret i have about that whole run is it was too early in my career appreciate you know i mean i have. I mean you know here. We are twenty one years later. That's still my claim to fame. And and i'm proud of it and don't get me wrong. I know we're not doing this interview without it. You know that kind of thing but I felt like we. You know it was the first time in the you know we. After minnesota stanford was a two seed. And and i remember mike my garbage shaking my hand after the game. He said you guys are better than we are. And i think our players felt that same way before that game and in and in florida you know Florida we end up on a tip in casey calvary kip in a to win it but are we felt good. I don't sure we weren't favored going into that game. You know i mean we felt like we have a really good up for us. Connecticut was the first game where were like as a staff like. Oh boy you know we play these guys. We play these guys ten times. I'm not sure we're winning. Five of these you know so But as i told our team we don't need to be. We don't need a plan ten times. We need to play once and we need to be the better team tomorrow. You know and And our i think our guys really believe that i remember after that stanford they the kids had a Tradition that i didn't even know about until i saw the films you know after after the whole run was over i guess. Every time they win they'd get off the bus. They'd run to the to the to the hotel pool and jump in with their uniforms on. So i got to be something that i guess. Everybody knew about me but back then i would been worried about. You know. we don't have. It actually said a uniform so we don't have the money you know but don't ruin those things. But i guess they're sitting in a hot tub because i saw the interview later and quint hall sitting in there and a good-looking sideline reporter gal was trying to interview them. They're like no no. No you gotta get into you. Gotta get into the jacuzzi. If you're gonna talk to us. You know they go to into getting in. And she's like sidelined close as he gets and he said you. Guys are forty minutes from the final four. How's it feel being the underdog but forty minutes away in quin hall says we're the underdogs who says we're the underdogs and that's just the mindset mentality. Those guys had okay. So that's it for part one. We'll drop part two. I don't know tomorrow. Why not drop part two tomorrow. It's a long listen part. Two is amazing. There's a little nugget about me in coach monse that few people know there's also a story in part to about me and mark view and marcy view that i've never told anyone ever but i'll share with the world on partout podcasts. The meantime just a reminder. If you're like what i do it'd be like what we do download The doug gottlieb show we had the podcast version of it or listen to it. Live three to six eastern twelve three pacific on fox news. Radio fox treated dot com the iheartradio app or siriusxm to seventeen in two zero three. Hope you enjoyed it. You will love part two. I'm doug gottlieb this is all.

dan monson gonzaga kyrie irving basketball billy greer football leon rice Gene bartow birmingham oregon idaho indiana james harden santangelo baseball mark view brooklyn nets Mr yankee nba
The Free Agency Moves We Loved a Lot, the Free Agency Moves We Loved Less  | NFL Deep Dive

The MMQB NFL Podcast

1:17:15 hr | Last month

The Free Agency Moves We Loved a Lot, the Free Agency Moves We Loved Less | NFL Deep Dive

"Around the ben across the pond off the beaten path. there's a lot of ways to say you're going places but only one. Suv that helps get you there as a family. The newly redesigned hyundai santa fe. The suv made for getting out there and doing more together so take the scenic route because of the santa fe's equipped with available h. Track all wheel drive to help you get off the paved road a little further together and it has a suite of intuitive safety features for taking it around the bend with more peace of mind. Plus you'll stay comfortable wherever you're headed with the santa fe's available premium nappa leather seating generous room for five and sophisticated interior styling. So get out there and find new adventures together in the new hyundai. Santa fe more about the santa fe by going to hyundai. Usa dot com. Hello and welcome. Tuti em tv monday morning. Nfl podcast. i'm your host gary gramling. I'm joined by connor or the weakside. Podcast we are through one week of free agency and that's pretty much it. Everyone can stop paying that everyone to sign. Then we'll just move on with the lottery. Not honor we did it. See guys. that's it the show. Now we're gonna we're gonna give or take a couple of positions here. A couple of teams or entire about the raiders. Did with the with the patriots did obviously. But i want to start off with the quarterbacks because just no one ever talks about quarterback. So let's let's really go against the grain here. It's been the russell wilson's and the matthew stafford. Those guys have sort of headline the offseason here. the guys who moved in free agency here teams found answers specifically chicago in washington for twenty twenty one. Maybe not the answers. You're looking for and we'll start with andy dalton going to chicago and i know Bears fans are bummed. Out and a lot of people are saying. Oh he should should. Russell should have gotten russell. Just like couldn't couldn't get russell. Didn't i mean i don't know what the package would have had to be eight. First rounders There's yeah there were no players that could have gone back to seattle and certainly no answers at quarterback going back to seattle even view. It was reported that it was three first round picks. I think a third round pick and two starters. Even if those starters were your best to players you know even if you sent back khalil. Mack and alan robinson or something like that. You know a a non franchise tag allen robinson. I don't know if that would have been enough. I mean russell. Wilson is one of the three best quarterbacks in the nfl. That's an irreplaceable thing. And you know so bears fans kind of have to chill on that. I mean you. There's a certain point where you can't trade first round draft picks anymore you know and i'm sure chicago had exhausted all that because their gm and their coach aren't going to be here in twenty twenty two if they don't make the playoffs this year and progress as a franchise and so it's not like they're not trying you know they. They would love russell wilson. They would love anybody. But andy dalton. I'm sure But the one puzzling part of all this for me was that. They promised him the starting job. Which i think is the one thing that has given bears fans pause and rightfully so ryan pace was at trae lances pro day. I think he's going to do the pro day circuit. If i were him. I would drafts and Try to kind of build in some of that You know we've seen rookies takeover week three week four week five you know and and totally exploited team's inability to have you know a rolodex of information on. I love that game plan. And i think matt nagy could be really creative with that but i just don't think andy dalton can be the plan even if it's even if it seems like that right now. I guess there is a realism to it. If you're ryan pace Going ahead and guaranteeing the job dalton. This team has has been short on draft capital the last couple of years in part because the trade. Which obviously you do again. But they've been aggressive moving up to get Did did you have to move up and get david. Montgomery i mean they. They have spent sort of those day. Two picks to make these minor move ups on guys who are are fine but our difference maker so they might just be looking at this. Well surely they were looking at. You're saying we can't come up into the top ten from twenty and still get the kind of depth in this draft that we need to get and so we're just gonna have to settle for whoever we can sign at this point dalton as far as how he fits in this bears offense and with matt. Nagy i mean look. he's he's. he's a professional quarterback. I it would not be the end of the world. If they had brought it brought him in for a competition like you said connor if they if they end up. Drafting a quarterback if someone falls into their laps at the pick twenty and taking a mac jones or someone like that and andy wins the competition in august. It's not the end of the world. I mean you're the you can live without. Any dalton is not an embarrassment as a as a starting quarterback and certainly you know nick foles has his woman. I don't think. Andy dalton has the same limitations not that mitchell. Trubisky was absolutely not trusted by the coaching staff by the play caller. The last two seasons are so they can probably put some trust in my problem with him is he has been a it to me. He is one of the quarterbacks who is who has the sharpest drop off from clean pockets to having to play muddy pockets in pressure and that sort of thing so to get the best outta andy. Dalton you need to be really good upfront. I don't think the bears very good up front at all. And i just don't think this ends up working when it's all said and done no an i. I don't know. I mean. I just think about it from a competitive standpoint. If you're a gm unless you just got hired by the washington football team who hired like nine former gm's in the last two weeks. You're not getting another crack at this like ryan pace. This is your this is your chance to be a gm in the nfl. Is this how you want to go out like that. That's what kept sticking in the back of my mind when i saw the andy dalton signing when i saw that they had promised in the starting job. Is this really how you wanna go out like. And i get that. You're not really in a position. A great position draft wise. You know you've tried to get russell wilson and it didn't work but like i mean anything else. Besides this like trade for trace mcsorley and run museum like tae some hill like something. You know like something else has to be done here. In order to mitigate the andy dalton. -ness of andy dalton. You know like. It's just like you know your defense is not good enough anymore. I mean you lost vic fangio right. Your defense is not your defense anymore. Cleal max still crate but That's not enough to win you games and you know andy dalton. I don't think is enough of an improvement over mitch. Trubisky to win you. That many more games. And maybe they're saying. Hey this is the difference between eight and ten and six And we'll take it and and and that could be the case but like you you gotta build in some other options here like i just. I can't imagine that this is the strategy going forward. That's the weirdest part they had this sort of. They got a lot of breaks last season. I mean let's let's be honest about it. They end up making the playoffs when they may be more of a six and ten type of team. And i guess the one thing. I'll say ryan paces defense and look i. I will not defend his performance as general manager. I don't think it's been a particularly strong. But he's probably looking this and be like you have to make the playoffs again. We just made the playoffs last year. Like what more do you want from us like. We've been in the playoffs but when it comes down to it for this bears team what they're looking for even if they don't know it. Is that twenty eighteen defenses performance when they were not only dominant but they took the ball away More than any team in football they have not been among the top half of the league in takeaways last season. So they're going to need a year like that and it's within the realm of possibility but you know there's there's luck involved in that to get thirty five turnovers. You not only have to be good. You have to catch a couple of breaks as the year goes on. And it's just sort of hits. Its cross your fingers and hope type of team building at this point. i suppose. But they'll be in the mix. I mean y'all if you're building out the range of possibilities sure ten eleven wins Possible just not very probable. I look at how much better You know the vikings are not going to be down like they were last year. The packers are still going to be great The lions i would imagine just by virtue of getting rid of matt. Patricia are going to be more difficult to beat than they were in the past like. That's a team that's going to like you know. Maybe they'll finished five and eleven but they'll steal a really annoying game from you that you you know. Walk in needing to have you know. They'll they'll come out and dan campbell coaching shirtless on the sidelines. Just like you know just getting everybody all fired up and then you end up losing like nine seven in our or something like that and and i think that that's totally possible so i just don't think any of the parameters are set up for chicago To just say like okay. Well this is what we did last year so we can improve on that a little bit. It's totally different. And to your point. I wrote that earlier in the year. That the amount of fortuitous circumstances that happened that spring boarded the bears into the playoffs was mind boggling. Like every game. Nick foles would throw a ball like at the end of a game winning drive. That would go through three people's hands or like balls that would like whack off a guy's face mask and then like land in offensive lineman's hands beyond the first down marker on like a critical fourth down drive. That happened almost every week like there. Was you know the andre swift drop in the end zone like that stuff happened almost every single week and it blows my mind that there isn't more of a critical lens kind of looked at that and and you know chicago's like no we. We had a good year last year. Just a little bit better like no you can't. You can't replicate a ball like bouncing off of a guy shoulder pad and like onto the outstretched hand of allen robinson the end zone. It's just not a. It's not a game plan. How you draw it up. Yeah i think the certainly the most accurate thing you said there is Looking at a lot of nine to seven games in chicago this year. I think that's what What the formula is going to be out in washington. Football team lands ryan fitzpatrick. And obviously we've been down this road quite a few times with ryan fitzpatrick. I'm fine with this. I know a lot of people were kind of pointing in yellow. Larry dis the magic. Run out he's three years old etcetera etcetera. This is fine like it the. He's a starting caliber quarterback And he's going to be on a team that has a really good supporting cast around him and a really good defense and much better. Receivers signing curtis samuel to pair with terry mclaren and you have a still very good offensive line. You made sure the brandon. Sheriff didn't go anywhere in free agency. my criticism. There would almost be like if i were. The bears rather ryan fitzpatrick in washington. I probably would rather d- andy dalton and the reason why is because washington now has that defense. That chicago had a few years ago. Right and what you would want. There is almost a completely turnover. Agnostic quarterback like a guy. Who's going to play. The median level of football ryan. Fitzpatrick is going to give the ball back. Sometimes and andy dalton will too but ryan fitzpatrick will have games were. He'll give it back a lot. And i think that ryan fitzpatrick's status on this roster probably means that there is going to be younger developmental guy coming in. I mean i just think that he he it's like a it's like an essence that he gives off in. The team has to draft another quarterback to try to replace them but I think that that's probably the plan for washington and they'll kinda see where the if the board bears that out. This is a a draft. Where i think you can do that if you're sitting even in the twenties like maybe there's a guy that false you that does a decent caliber starter but Yeah i i. It was fine. I think ryan fitzpatrick is is totally fine. And you're right. It's just if you're ron rivera. Can you get him to play the way you wanna play so that it's all the good ryan fitzpatrick without any of the without any the disastrous side effects. The guy i wanted the bears to sign realistically assuming they couldn't get russell or anything like that Jacoby reset lands in miami. Now he's going. There is a backup Obviously but look. I personally am not a to a believer at this point. I'm open to the scenario where he does have a huge improvement year. Two i just think there are too many red flags with his play last year. I wasn't crazy about him as a prospect coming out of alabama anyway. I'm not saying this is going to be a fitzpatrick coming in as the closer tied the deal with percents in miami but i think this is a great fallback option for the dolphins if to a does not take that step forward next season. Yeah no i totally agree And would i lie about percent to is. It's sort of this like it's this dual presence. Where he's a. he's a good guy he's going to be good to have in that locker room and good to have in that meeting room with to But he's also going to push to because he's young and he wants to continue to play in the nfl and he wants another chance to be a starting quarterback and so that puts the adequate amount of pressure. I think on onto a that you would need to put on brian. flora's and people can say what they will about the way. That floors is handled this. But i love the honesty and openness with which and he doesn't come out and say it every press conference but the deliberateness of his actions are really leading to a know that like. Hey i don't care how high i drafted you like you. You have to play better. And i think that that's a good precedent to set for the off season. You didn't resign. Ryan fitzpatrick Some older person You know without the same sort of high ceiling you didn't you didn't beg josh. Mccown top coaching for the texans and to come beer. Backup you know. You didn't do the mark sanchez. Mark brunell thing. You said now. Here's an prime guy that wants to be a starter again. Would like to take your job so act accordingly and i think that that's i think it's a smart thing not that i'm saying that to a needs pushing But like you said there. There were some things that needed to be ironed out last year in a hurry there were some really beautiful moments. Too but You know that doesn't mitigate some of the sloppiness that we saw for sure and mitchell trubisky not going to be a starter. Not going to push josh allen buffalo but nice landing spot for him. I you know we all know he has the traits he still a long shot to be a quality starter in the league at any point. But if you're going to have a reclamation project go and do with. Brian cabell totally agree. I mean that's a guy that you would want to To play for. I mean if i mitch trubisky. There's probably three or four places that i'd wanna go. I'd want to go to the saints and backup. Jameis winston wanna go to the rams and backup matt stafford Packers and backup aaron rodgers. Which is not an option or Or the bills. And that's those are the places that you would want to go. And so he's in a good spot. I think he's probably destined to around there Like a blake bortles plus for a couple of years. And you know here's hoping that he does get another shot though. I think that you and i have both said maybe or maybe. I'm just projecting this on you to make me sound a little crazy. But there are just some moments where he's on like crazy on and i think that In makes throws that other. Quarterbacks aren't gonna make in the heat of a game. And i i don't think i'm ready to give up on that just yet and you know if there's a coach the configure out how to just keep that going or a team or something. I don't know what the conditioner the atmosphere needs to be around him to make it work. But you know. I don't know i i just i think he's a good quarterback. I just think some of the things haven't gone exactly the way that he talked. I'm not saying he didn't get a chance. Got plenty of chances. But i just You know it. It's just one of those things where sometimes it doesn't work out now. You get a getting a coach. At trust him is the is the first thing and look that just wasn't the situation chicago. You could you tell from the calling. What matt nagy of mitchell trubisky and It wasn't good are. Let's let's talk about the receiver market real quick. Because i do want to pat myself on the back because i've been saying this for six months. No one got paid except for. Ken golladay pretty much. I mean samuel got a decent contract. Corey davis nelson agholor got ended up doing pretty well when it was all said and done but of these guys ended up having to take one year prove deals but as far as golladay goes and you wrote it on com connor danial. Jones doesn't have excuses anymore and that sounds a little bit like putting game jones on blast. But it's also daniel. Jones had excuses over his first two seasons. I'm one of them. Was the lack of a number one weapon now. He has that in kenny golladay. He's entering year three. Then you'll have your four so busy of two years to evaluate him if you're the giants and now you can get a real evaluation on what he's going to be with a full complement of respectable weapons. Yeah and when. I wrote that know at first. It seemed like it came off a little harsh on jones. But i think i was careful to make the point that this is exactly what the bills did with josh allen to write josh allen before last year didn't have a season where he had a positive yards above replacement. Think about that and then he was an mvp last year. That's bananas and you know stephan digs had a lot to do with that. Brian daboll had a lot more to do with that In the offensive line development had something to do with that too But this is the blueprint. And i think if you're the giants if you're unsure of exactly what to do here you emptied the coffers and you get golladay onto your roster. You pair them with i mean you know. How many times are we going to on paper this time of year. Obviously but evan ingram and kyle rudolph for your tight ends okay so you don't have to depend on ingram as much as you have. And he'll get open and he'll make that big streaky. Play once a game You know you have sterling shepard. You've darius slayton you have kenny golladay. Like this is formidable new pair. That with saquon barkley and you could make the argument that they have the best slate of skill position players in the division right now and with dallas being close second only because they don't have the same upside at tight end and ezekiel elliott is in decline whereas saquon barkley still think has some ascending to do. And so you know. I think this is a great move. I mean i. We make fun of dave gettleman a lot. I think the letter leonard williams was a disaster and continues to be a disaster But and you lost dalvin tomlinson because of that. Which is invariably going to hurt leonard williams. But other than that i mean. I think you did what you needed to do. This this off season and who cares if the market was deflated. Like it was you pay golladay. You know you get them in there. And he's a legitimate number one in the benefit for daniel jones is. He's the best contested catch wide receiver in the nfl. So you know it makes him look better by comparison. So you know. I think daniel jones is on blast. And i think jason garrett sandblast to you know. I think that this move now firmly puts the microscope on the two of them because judge going anywhere I think he's very well like their i think. Even if he has a bad season next year they will allow him to move on from the offensive guys And get people that he wants in there and so i think this is a good move all around. You have to put push the chips to the center of the table like Like they were doing here. Absolutely this is a this is a nice one and golladay was the one receiver who got to the open market. Since godwin and alan robinson got franchise tag who was really deserving of this type of money really. I don't think it was disputable but Yeah i mean. Juju smith schuster end up going back to pittsburgh after all had drama and i don't know what's voting on sports illustrated's Our instagram poll or wherever that was that our colleague caitlin o'toole put up And then we'll fuller gets a gets a one year deal with deal with miami. Do wanna touch on willfuller really quick because miami was a team that was in on golladay. I kenny golladay is great so if anyone added him. Your team just got better. But i don't think stylistically golladay is a great fit with to I think the biggest issue maybe outside of his management within the pocket last year. I thought to a really struggled to understand And i'm stealing. This raise. And i think i might be stealing it from greg. Cosell a he really struggled understand the difference between what's open in college and what's open in the nfl and kenny golladay is not a guy who creates a ton of separation. He's a guy who you give a chance you know. He turns a fifty fifty and ninety ten ball. And that's how you win the kind of have that already in devante parker will fuller is a guy who can create separation. He's I i think a really nice stylistic compliment to the monte parker in miami. You know he'll he'll be serving his suspension early in the year. And we'll see how this breaks in and ends up working out when it's all said and done but i think fuller is a is a nice fit in miami as opposed to having to sort of pay big for ten golladay. Yeah it was cool about. We'll fuller's i went back and looked at his route charts from next gen stats and you know. There was that whole. I think that whole thing where he was pushing to become more of an alpha wide receiver going into last year and he wanted to be a more complete wide receiver. Especially since deondraye. Hopkins wasn't going to be there and some of his best games were the games. Were that route. Chart didn't resemble just those straight verts anymore like when he was starting to do some of the breaking stuff when he was. You know the more that you saw him in different spots in the field those are those six catch one hundred and forty yard games. The you know the five catch hundred yard games and so i think that's encouraging if you're miami i don't know if you use them the same way You know i. I don't know th to Will be able to use them. The same ways to shawn watson. Obviously but i think it's interesting. And i think it's worthwhile especially on ten on a one year ten million dollar flyer like why not you know you have the cap space and you know. It's going to clear right off the books next year. If you love him you keep them but you know i i think it's a great deal yeah choo choo those back on a one year deal with the steelers after again. Just all drama. And where's he going to go and we're just gonna land. I think judy is a high end number. Two as opposed to a true number. One and i think that's why intimately didn't get paid here. But he's on his one year eight million dollar deal and that is kind disappointing for him but also because he was on that rookie deal before i mean. That's i mean what does this word is career earnings. I were years bringing up now. Yes so he's making twice as much in two thousand twenty one as he did over. I four seasons combined Which i guess is something of happy ending once again. It's sort of a an example of rookie wage scales. A little bit of sir but That's neither here nor there for for now it's there all the time but not for the show. I guess i'm just curious. You know we. Why did he turn down baltimore. Like you know i unless the money was not reported as such. But you know what's out there from you. Know adam schefter and seventy insider guys that he left like a couple million dollars on the table to play with ben rothlisberger. If you're hoping that this springboards you into the contract next year when the salary cap is backup to a manageable place. Wouldn't you rather lamar jackson. I don't know i would rather lamar jackson. I get it though. If you're there's a comfort level thing he did have a big year two years ago with ben and maybe he's sort of remembering that and and thinking we're going to get back to the old days where where you know put up fourteen hundred receiving yards and that sort of thing so i i don't i don't want to second guessing. It's what he's comfortable with. And if you go to a new team oh look. Maybe the chemistry's not there lamar maybe markey's brown emerges as as a force next year and mark andrews and end up being third in the pecking order there Which he might be in pittsburgh anyway but yeah not not not the choice. I would have made but not my choice to make. No one wanted to sign me this offseason. so yeah me. Neither rough disappointing. Let's let's hope about the raiders. And what's what's going on there. I am going to start this with an impassioned defense of jon gruden and then you can tear it down. I'm going to log off you. Guys later i'll say this it's not going to be an impassioned defense but i will say this. In general i think a lot of people wringing their hands over losing ultimately end up being trade so they'd bring back draft picks for ronnie hudson engage jackson. And you a lot of people running their hands over a young this offense a line that sort of got taken apart here. I think this offense of line has been quite overrated over the last five years. I think it's been a good line. I don't think it's a great line. I think those guys were aging. I think if maybe one of those moves was made we. Would you know. Raise your eyebrows a little bit and then sort of go on with your life. The fact that it sort of came in clumsier is a little more alarming. We'll say that. But i think there were a couple of years where i call it. The donald penn affect donald penn was a solid. Left tackle for the raiders. He was touted because his numbers are so good. He was touted as his franchise. Y'all foundational piece for the raiders. Where he just wasn't the reason they don't give up any sacks with this team is derek targets of all out so quickly now that's changed a little bit over the last couple of years with gruden coming in and putting in something a little more forward thinking then sort of the the pure quick strike stuff they were doing under todd downing but it was not particularly challenging to pass protect for derek carr over the years and i think people sorta got these numbers skewed. I mean rodney. Hudson was a really really good center. I don't know if you are really having to drop off that people think they're going to have with them. And they what they like their guy andre james and we're going to find out whether the right or not. I just think it's a weird time to to do this. And i just think that you're not maximizing any of the resources and so none of the thing. None of the plans that they have seemed to be coming together if the if there are offensive linemen that are waiting in the wings here that they've had in developed at some point that you know nobody's talking about then that's great Then i think that gruden polls went over on the rest of us and and and legitimizes a lot of the moves that he's made but you go back to the whole way in reason that you're building. This is the my guys like josh jacobs. And then you sign kenyan drake for some very strange reason and i don't see how you made your offensive line better to to be hospitable to these guys and You know i. It just seems like someone tweeted this. And i think it makes a lot of sense is like there is no plan in vegas. There is gruden a mayock talking about guys that they like and just signing them and then hoping that it all works out. And i think that that seems to be the case. My problem is that there's so many excuses floated around you know when they cut rodney hudson when they traded trent brown. You know all that stuff. Oh what's cash flow issue in oakland. Earn vegas. They don't have any money to pay these guys. Well then. why are you paying your coach. One hundred million dollars And he can't get this team to the playoffs in three years. So i just think that there's a lot of backwards thinking there. I i don't think that this team can. Is there an argument. That you can make legitimately that. This team got better this offseason. Do you think like net from what they did. Bring the guys in that they did that. They're better than the eight and eighteen that they finished last year. As in josh jacobs and kenya drake you have two guys who are top thirty fantasy last year. So take that the kenyan drake think. There was confusing any get looked. This is not make-or-break money. And and we're gonna. We're gonna probably criticize on. These deals going forward And saying like oh. I can't believe you know nelson agholor got x. Amount i this. Is you know it's not the end of the world of kenyan drake ends up being kind of okay number two running back. But it's just weird that that's where your cap savings went to impart. Yes yeah but again. It's like okay. Kenyan drake is build nell as the joker back that gruden has been promising to develop for the last three years and has not been able to do and i don't know i think at some point. Somebody's just going to have to look at all this and says it really worth it. What coach would still be there other than jon. Gruden given all that has happened in the antonio brown thing the khalil. Mack trade the amari cooper trade. What coach would still be there after three years and no playoffs. Besides jonker bill say bill. Belichick yeah no this was. This was mark. Davis's dream higher for so many years and it's just how it's going to be there and look we're gonna see the product on the field again and if they missed the playoffs again. It's gonna be really interesting. What mark davis does this team going. Forward i mean it's it's a little bit strange that the tweet the offense so aggressively and Defensively look they're big offseason the gakugei in gyco as exactly what they needed. I've been saying got difference maker. A guy who forces turnovers both because there's pressure and literally forces them through a through forced fumbles only khalil. Mack has more forced fumbles than in goch way over the past five seasons. And he just you know he fits. It's what they were supposed to be. Getting in cleveland ferrall and they just they just haven't and now they get the edge burner in gakugei and maybe maybe for ellen kicking inside and they get some stuff going there but the back end of his defense is just so so very questionable and they've really made the investment in it and it just hasn't worked out so i don't know if the defense is good again and now your offense is going through a retooling it just seems like it adds up to something between seven and nine and nine hundred seven again. Yeah and we'll get ready for the you know. Not even the the second half of this contract know the end of the first half of the contrary god. It's like being at the you know what's worst long movie that you've ever seen like a movie. That was very very very long and very very very bad loubet cliche but probably the postman. Kevin kassir just went on. I would say the Did you ever see the place. Beyond the pines with bradley cooper and What's his name. The good looking guy from Ryan gosling know. How was that movie came out when we were in college and it was like this epic that this like sprawling epic that like took place over the course of like three hours. Where like bradley. Cooper was like a cop that turned in dirty cops in then became a da in his son befriended. The son of ryan gosling is like a guy who used to ride a motorcycle inside cages at the circus than like somehow it all certa of comes together and at the end and it's just so bad and i think i went with some of my friends and some of them had fallen asleep in the middle like the beginning of the movie when like and then woke up at the end and they're like what is going on like this makes no sense in. That was bad. so th. That's what the raiders contract is to me. it's the place beyond the pines. Where like you know. You're only halfway through and you're looking at your watch and you're like oh boy you know this is Is this is going to be better. Yeah we got a long way to go here. Let's hope for some reason like christopher walken shows up in sizes. This thing up support for this podcast comes from paypal. Small business owners. Turn your smartphone into a cash register paypal. Qr codes or the safe and easy way to get paid in store and they deliver the same security and trust pay pal is known for online in person. Even if you're a cash only business with pay pal. Qr codes you can accept credit or debit with everyday low fees. there's no additional hardware or software needed generate your unique qr code from paypal app and display it on your device or print it to display in store customers. Scan your code with their pay pal app. You only need your smartphone. Learn more at paypal dot com slash. Us slash get qr code support for this. Podcast comes from cdw and adobe at cdw we get the people need to sign here on always here. Tell me about it. I'm always chasing down signatures. I go through pens and shoes like chewing gum. Sounds like you need a sign orchestrated by cdw to securely automate e-signature workflows across devices from anywhere integrated with existing tools. Sign can save your organization. Time money and miles. Thank goodness i can finally take these shoes off gano back on back on. It orchestration by cdw people who get it find out more at cdw. Dot com slash. Adobe sign this episode is brought to you by comcast because of covid nineteen internet traffic has spiked but comcast is prepared. They've created a powerful network with one simple purpose to keep customers connected since two thousand seventeen comcast has invested twelve billion dollars to grow and evolve a smart reliable network and now with many of us working learning and entertaining at home their coverage has helped millions of people stay connected when they need it most learn more at comcast dot com slash network. Another team that completely reset itself on one side of the ball. Tennessee titans This was again. We'll see a these editions fit. There's a lot of stuff that I don't know we'll just play itself out on the field. I'm just bummed about this one. Because a couple years ago i thought they had the best secondary and football. At least the most underrated secondary and football and now like except for kevin buyer d- literally all these are gone. No more adoree jackson. They let him go No more malcolm butler. They let him go. Logan ryan had left last offseason and Kenny vaccaro his out too. So it's what they were doing. Last year didn't work. The haven't had a pass rush and they sort of said okay. Well we're going to basically hit the reset button on this defensive backfield and we are going to sign bud dupree to a large contract coming off the tornado. Yell and i really liked bud. Dupree as sort of a number to pass rusher. But i don't know if he is i don't know if he's a difference maker. I think i think in goggle. He's a difference maker. i think what even at this point is career is so a difference maker. i don't know of duprey is yeah. It's it's gonna be interesting. I mean this was a big off season for saks in context right and pressures in context like trey hendrickson cincinnati as well and you know why they did what they did there and i think that duprey you're right i mean is a good player. I think he can create havoc in the backfield. But you know how do you remove him from kind of that orchestra that he was playing in pittsburgh now. Are there teams that can replicate that pittsburgh defense better than others. Just by virtue of their schematic wisdom. The titans are one of those teams. I think mike vrabel and his staff or good enough to be able to kind of figure out some of the simulated pressure stuff to be able to incorporate a lot of that and make bud dupree the centerpiece of that. But you have enough to to really make it work to make it work in the way that you wanna make it work and i guess the argument is you have to at least start trending in that direction right. You gotta sign someone like duprey because you need somebody to create that pressure and so we'll see what happens but titans are interesting to me because you lose a lot of hits on the offensive side of the ball to you lose your offensive coordinator you know and you know at some point. You're factor back. Getting four hundred carries a season is going to need some assistance there too and so there there wasn't a lot of focus. You lost your number two wide receiver. He lost your top receiving tight end. And so it's like oh boy you know like what is the plan here in. Titan's got quietly kind pill for this offseason a little bit they did. Yeah corey davis out. Humphries go humphries obviously missed the second half last season with a concussion he was a big free signing couple years ago. John smith is out and as far as this defensive backfield now they they they also desmond king cyber-attacks in so they will him as well. He was sort of. Fill in for logan ryan at the trade deadline last year. In the move they made. But kevin johnson and janoris jenkins are the two guys he brought in who they're both just cross your fingers. Maybe get a again. I think they fall into that category of like if you're ranking the cornerbacks in the league cornerback. Thirty three cornerback. Ninety could shuffle in any way depending on the year. It's just so volatile ear. So kevin johnson generic check ins possibly uh serviceable starters behind what they're hoping is a really good because that pass russia's we always say that pass rush makes your secondary better if it hasn't worked the last couple of years so i know that's that's that's that's a lot going on in nashville right now. Yeah i mean you can see by some of the behavior of like jacksonville for example. Who's kind of pushing the chips to the center of the table. And they're making some big free agent acquisitions. I think that you're seeing that teams. Are sensing a window to be able to compete there with houston down with with everything that's going on in that division and now tennessee. I mean i. I just think it's going to be impossible for them to replicate the success that they've had the last two years without seeing some sort of a minor speed bump there then again. Mike vrabel is is the is the factor that if if you can get these guys to play together like you know we could be looking at this offseason as as pure brilliance at some point i mean you know team. Shed familiar players. They let re they get rid of guys in some teams. Do get better. And you know. John robinson's a good gm. So we'll see what happens they do. It is a bit of a reminder that Look these teams know their own players better than anyone so when you go you presumably what you're doing better than anyone else would and again we'll see it on the field and and mike vrabel has really overachieved with with the scene last couple years. And we'll see if he can he can work it again. Here The chiefs who we all scratch our heads. When they let go of both eric fisher and mitchell schwartz and they had not addressed the offense tackle position but they ended up getting joe. -tuni- here to i guess the way you would build this interior offense align joe -tuni- at center court long at What long at right guard. Devante tardif at left guard. Yeah which is good you know. And then you know remers comes back. Prob- presumably to play right tackle. I know his agent had tweeted that That the deal was done. You know with the understanding that he was going to be a starter. And then i guess you make sense out of the fact that they had made a run at trent williams on the left side and that was gonna be their plan a and plan b might be. I mean who knows. Maybe one of these two guys comes back on a lower deal or one of these guys reworked their contractor or they do trade for somebody before the draft which i don't think would be overly surprising to me but there's still that anchor spot that needs to get taken care of an anchor in air quotes. Because you know. I do feel good enough about what happened there You know during the super bowl to bring remers back. Obviously they do and we'll see what happens from there but it is interesting. I mean the the interior of the offensive line. Got a pass in the super bowl right. I think that a lot of us watch that game. And just how ungodly bad. It was on the edges with jason pierre paul and shack barrett crashing their but don. Mckenzie was a factor. The you know the Vita was monster. Yeah and so. I think that you have to get better across the board there so again. That's another classic example of us seeing something in small window and being surprised at what happened versus a team you know. Probably knowing going in that they didn't just have problems in one spot. Yeah and at the time of taping eric fisher and mitchell short still free agent so within the own possibility they bring either guy back and i will say we have not said this about the draft in a really long time but it's a pretty deep offensive tackle. Then you could actually get a guy in the late first round this year and possibly make it work so they have some options. Aaron kansas city. And and frankly. If you're paying. Patrick mahomes it's it's not the worst thing in the world to land and offensive tackle. Who can hold down the fort and also not make very much money while doing it. And we'll we'll see other plays out obviously. There's there's a risk when you plug rookie in there. But if they go that direction that might be the risk. They have to take here. It seems like it was forty years ago that the patriots made all these signings. But we'll touch on them now. They probably were most prominent story in free agency this year. And i want to start off by by once again pointing out. The reason teams spend big in free agency is the had drafts is what it comes down to. They didn't have to sign their own guys. If you look at the patriots draft tracker here from twenty seven to twenty twenty. You could argue. It's it's the worst in the league. I mean it's it's one of the worst runs of all time draft wise. And that's why these sort of had to go out and spend this money on these guys now who they spent it on is interesting. I will start on the defense side of the ball. I think that jude on is absolutely perfect. Belichick die think. He's a guy who only fit. I shouldn't say only fits. He's he's a good player. But when you plug them in with some of these More more created more multiple defenses. That sort of asa allot of different things out of the guys whether being baltimore or new england. I mean you can sort of count. Those kind of defense is on one hand jude on is your guy. I think john absolutely fits their jalen mills to me. I'm not a big jails guy. But the patriots is certainly had success converting. Some these cornerbacks two safeties and doing some of these matchup Zone coverages here so They saw something in jalen mills that i didn't and bill belichick arguably knows more about football. I do yeah well. It's close the to you guys have very But yeah it's weird like i think. Initially that first wave of of free agency when it passed through. I think guy rationalized it like i rationalize everything bill. Belichick does as an act of genius you know and and then you slowly have to realize that he's human like everybody else and maybe there is a a hint of desperation. Some of these moves. However i think that bill belichick would have been as active as he is now. If these same players were on the market in a different scenario you know what i mean like. You're going to get like the tight. End market is taking off But you got two guys Below the going rate That you could argue are among the top tight ends. I mean they're not. George kittle And they're not travis kelsey but there they probably sit right underneath there. If you use them correctly right and see you got two of them. Below the going rate there you got met jude on way below the going rate for versatile edge. Rusher guy In so i think anybody that sees sort of the inefficiencies there in the market is gonna pounce and you could argue that bell check with seven and nine without a quarterback essentially last year. They're running like a nineteen forties. A no option offense to try to shove the ball down the field and they still were pretty good. I mean you know they were a couple. Bad bounces away for making the playoffs. You could argue and so you know. It's not like this team needed to be overhauled. But i think he's also just he's compiling pieces right. You need some of these guys and you know it makes sense to take advantage of a down market and so i don't know on one hand is it that their roster got so bad and so creaky that this is what you have to do or is it still good players there. But he's just taking advantage of of a good situation. The titans are interesting just because they drafted the two of them last year and obviously the they're now bullish on either one and rightfully so sometimes misunderstood database. Here i will say this look and even know about this all the time. They're only like. I don't know eight to ten teams. Who truly understand how to use tight ends and how to maximize their tight ends in their offense and the patriots are one of them so they bring in both these guys look. I know a lot of people didn't watch a whole lot of jonnu smith the last couple of years. He's really good and they contract suggest that. But i think people don't realize how good he is as a blocker. He is one of the tight ends in the league. Where you can you can run behind him. And he's not gronk level. But i would certainly call him. One of the top ten blocking tight ends in the league. I think between him and henry. And what you're gonna do with cam. Newton is your quarterback presuming cam. Newton is your quarterback. We'll see if they bring in another guy in the draft but this is built to sort of maximize what they have in cam. Newton and. I think it's going to be. I think it's gonna be much better. I kendrick bourne is really interesting. I'm not super high on him. But if you're going to go run heavy and you want sort of that sort Blocker on the perimeter born definitely fits the bill they're nelson aguilar look nelson. Agla was good last year. I don't mind the drops over the years. I don't think anyone should. I think he's create separation. Which is what's important for receiver especially after seeing what the patriots have had the last couple of years. So yeah they probably overpaid nelson agholor but again you know. Sixteen million guaranteed when he probably should've gotten like eight million guaranteed that's that's not gonna cause your to crumble one way or another no no and so i think it's you know we'll see what happens. I again like the bears right. You would hope that cam. Newton is not the extent of the plan. Unless cam newton is a lot like they know something about his health You know the incentive laden deal would certainly hint that newton himself knows a little bit more about what he's capable of this year and what he can do in that offense but you wonder where some of these cards are going to fall at some point. So that a lot of these moves make sense like I think it was a chris price over at the boston globe. Who dug up Some really glowing garoppolo quotes on on born. And so is that one of those guys that you know. Garoppolos like yeah. Let's get this piece in place. Because i know i'm coming over here. I don't know i mean him. Belshazzar obviously still close And so that makes these moves. Make a lot more sense. I don't know if having nelson agholor really matters if you have cam newton at this point in his career if shoulder is what it is at this point so who knows we'll see where How kind of the world comes into view at this point but you had a chance to get better. The only move. That i hated was aguilar to disagree with you a little bit. You're paying him. Two million dollars less than davante adams and granted davante adams is criminally underpaid but That's too much for nelson agholor. I just don't think that they're going to be able to use him in the way that would maximize that that deal. Yeah no i think the contract value is not good. But i don't i don't mind the player. I mean what we have them. Rank some ninth among receivers. So he wouldn't have been my first choice. I would have rather had a a will. Fuller or curtis samuel or whoever you might Have have shoveled that money toward. But you know i guess. My point is these. These overpays are relatively small when it comes right down to especially when the cap starts growing again. And i don't think we're going to be looking back and saying boy the patriots. If only they hadn't signed to this big deal they be able to do. X y or z. I think we just shrug our shoulders and say he's a. He's a little bit overpaid in the end. I guess But i'm i'm also not getting any on any one for taking too much money at this point especially in this off season a nice story. It's a feel good story. Art warming got the letter. The jaguars real quick. Because they had sort of a. I i would consider this a connoisseur's free agency class here Griffin like shaquille griffin. And they bring him in. And i think that was kind of a no brainer but you can see why they wanted. She'll griffin is a good player. They need cornerbacks and that's why they signed him. The guys who i think are a little bit more difficult to figure out here. Ray sean jenkins who. I'm not wild about coming from the chargers. I thought that was a bit of a head. Scratcher if you're going to spend in what was a pretty good safety market here roy. Robertson harris. I just want to. I want to basically make an excuse for myself. And and try to sound smarter than i actually am when we first put together those free. Ainsi rankings connor. I'd roy robertson harris something like ninth among interior offensive lineman but as i sort of read up and sort of looked at his injury problems last year and that sort of stuff. I was kind of like you know we got bumped down. I think i had them like twenty four. When it's all said and done. I think if he hit the market a year ago he would gone paid a lot. I didn't think he'd get much this offseason but the jaguars end up giving him a pretty significant deal for a guy from chicago. That really a lot of people don't know because he just wasn't on the field a lot last year. Yeah it's an interesting move. I mean i guess it. Sort of indicative of what urban meyer sees and what. He hopes his defense looks like. And that's always been sort of the really interesting thing. About when you see college coaches matriculate to the nfl level and it was really fascinating to watch matt rule. Do this last year to is like. What do you prioritize. And what do you. What do you think you want. What do you need. And how much different are your expectations of free agency than reality. Because you have trent baulky and so. He has the relationships there and he can help on that end but you know. Are you ending up with the guys that you actually wanted. Which in you'll never say that you're not or are you. Struggling overpaying and clawing and fighting and you know having to trade valuable assets to get the players that you want. I don't know you know the nfl is like anything else. It's like click and so getting involved in something like this. It doesn't surprise me that they may be had to overpay for one or two guys because you don't have those built in relationships yet. And there is that unfamiliarity guys maybe don't want to go down there and play for urban meyer especially if you're on defense because you don't know what the hell is going to look like and you know you're basing the next few years of your life on the fact that you're going to play well in this system. They also add marvin jones. I'm big into stylistic. Compliments among receivers. So i love that with a dj shark and as we already knew last week cam robinson will be retained there so Trevor lawrence comes in. He's got some weapons. He's got a pretty okay. Line i We'll see what urban meyer do in the nfl. It's not always a one to one transition for these guys who have success at the college level as we know but ever a one-to-one transition his one time it was what is the one time pete carroll okay old and twenty thirteen chip kelly. I guess you could go. Yeah it's it's going to be interesting. Jackson unlikely we said when we were discussing the titans a little while ago. It's kind of a wide open. Afc south at this point. I think the culture still the class of that division. But i could see the jaguars making a big jump. Here maybe surprising some people in twenty twenty one But no one will surprise. People like our favorite team of this free. Nc class the champions of free agency because they signed they signed on a your favorites and they signed one of my favorites and the new york jets. They must listen to last week's podcast and just like been frantically. Joe douglas just frantically taking notes on what we were saying. Because conard gary love. Jared davis in your defense davis is a complete bus once again. You did not sign off on your davis gerry. Davis is my guy. And i will. I will take the brunt of the criticism way continues to struggle desperately in coverage but I do like jared davis. I love the thought of george davis playing in this robert solid defense. Where it's just gonna free him up it. He reminds me so much of alexander though. I think he's a better athlete than quantum alexander is and just i. I don't know it. I just can't believe it went so poorly for him in detroit. Though i guess a wind poorly for everyone detroit but they also added sheldon rankings. Your guy which is. I mean this is. This is a super bowl formula. Now here's what. I'll say about jared davis in terms of his coverage right because i think that sometimes those stats are fundamentally flawed. And there were years where he was actually good in coverage to. I talked to coach a couple years ago After they played the lions and he said that we were completely blown away by how disorganized that defense was to the point where we running the same play over and over again and they just weren't moving guys over to stop it. And you know in the coaches. Like i'm sitting there on the sideline thinking. This is matt patricia. Like isn't he the this this the guy that's gonna figure all this out. And they were scouring them over and over and over again and so. I think the you have to take that into the proper context with With jared davis like he have been out of position in a situation. That wasn't necessarily his fault. You know what i mean. And so you go to the solid defense where again which with the import of shelter rankings defensive line gets better I think that you're able to play a little bit more free as a linebacker and solace. That's what he wants him to do. He wants jared davis to be nuts into just blow guys up. And i think that you know that sort of what he was looking for in the middle linebacker. And you know kudos to joe douglas. I think that he's done a better job than anybody. With the exception of maybe you know. I think you probably overpaid for corey davis a bit and i know you're not going to be able to use them exactly the right way but with with the exception that i think that you really did a nice job of kind of plucking these guys lake rank ins like davis who had a high pedigree who got lost in a system or got bogged down because of injury but are now healthy and ready to contribute. So i i like the movies. Yeah i I also love keelan cole. He was one of my Using my free agency babies ear and the ad him as well and yeah. I'm i'm kind of with you. Look corey davis and chemical there are definitely upgrades over last year's receiving core. I think he's still need that. True number one guy. And i don't think they have that unless denzel mims really blossoms or davis become something a little bit better than than we thought. He was after seeing him in tennessee for For four years year. And then carl lawson is the is the big addition on the defensive side of the ball even bigger than davis and so now they have an edge rush presents i mean lawson should be perfect for that Y nine stuff that that solid likes to run in front of that front of that defensive backfield and they go and supermarkets join our to who i think something left in the tank. He was obviously this morning. Disappointment with the raiders. And i understand why they let him go but i think he can still play and i just think they just added a lotta guys who can who can play and they brought in a coach you can coach and i think things are are looking relatively up for the jets. You heard it here first. Players who can play coaches. Who can coach your new look. New york jets. It's also it's also. I'm sure there are plenty of gm's after hearing this. Frankly jotting that note down players play coaches. You can coach. We gotta figure this stuff out. You know it's interesting though. I mean i will say that at some point joe douglas honeymoon period will end as general manager and like his signings will not be roundly praised Like they were but this is a good offseason. This is as good of an off season. I think if you're the jets as you would have hoped. Look at the guys they're bringing you know big part of this on the recruiting front right. He's a guy that people want to play for. And that helps on the defensive side of the ball but you're also getting decent receivers and they have no idea who your quarterback is going to be and if at you know there's this scenario where it's probably sam darnold and and that's not attractive to a lotta guys. But i think they did a really nice job of not really drastically overpaying. Anyone the corey davis deal was Was good was thick but it wasn't. It wasn't disastrous. And i don't know i think that a nice little offseason. Yeah we'll say. A lot of these deals that came through this year. My rule of thumb is basically the guys at the top of the market tend to get what amounts to a three year contract when it's all said and done with all the fake in the back end and all that stuff A lot of these look like two year deal so which is which is less than three. Yeah that was. Rankings ranking signed a two year deal with some upside there for production numbers but that that just seems to be how he wants to be structure in these deals this offseason. But it's interesting and again. I think the bilo aspect of this. Some of these guys are going to hit. I mean just by nature that. But i think that you're giving yourself a much better chance with the relative age the relative health most of these guys. I think you know bodes. Well that you're going to get something out of these guys all right connor to wrap of the show here. We are going to rapid fire. The moves that we liked by just sort of frantically running through the free agency tracker on dot com and by the way the tracker still go. And if you want to see who's left out there on the market and keep track of that connors also free agency grades. He's got free agency winners and losers or the verse week. it's it's just. It's it's a bonanza right now on assad dot com and the qb but let's Let's hit these. We did the quarterbacks so nothing else to discuss their the running. Backs look i. I think chris carson so underrated. I love the fact that seattle's able to bring him back. I thought seattle made a couple of nifty moves. I thought phillip lindsay was a really nice edition for the texans here. We don't say a whole lot of nice things about the texans. I was shocked. That the the broncos let lindsay go and Just see him sort of get scooped up for a really reasonable rate. I think phillip lindsay is better than melvin gordon. I don't think that i know. Phillip lindsay is melvin. Gordon and i think phillip lindsay is better than kenyan interesting. Yeah you do love. Chris carson. I would i would. I would say that that is palpable. it was palpable at our rankings. you know this offense of this running back class didn't blow me away. I don't think that there's really at the end of the day a ton of upside there. But i don't know. I i mean i hated the kenyan drake signing The chris carson thing if you're seattle. I thought that there was some interesting ways. You could have gone there. You probably could have gone in another direction But i don't know. I wanna see where some of these other guys land to as of their according to this podcast playoff is still out there. So that's that's really the guy that i wanna see. I wanna see more playoff lending receivers we. We hit a lot of the receivers here. I love the samuel deal. I think we'll fuller made a ton of sense in miami. I do wanna give a shout out as i always do to persuade perriman. I'm waiting. I'm waiting for paramount to get his big contractor. Never gonna come. He gets one year three million in detroit. It'll just never happened for him. I wanted to ask you though what you think of the aj green signing. Because i am not bullish on the aj green signing in that system. I think green is at a point in his career. He needs a system that can help them out a little bit. I think it's just too much having to win. One on one in this in this cardinals offense so i would say this. No receiver in the nfl created less separation than aj green last year While still having like more than thirty percent of the team's air yards so that was a disaster. Was it a disaster. Because he just didn't want to be in cincinnati anymore and he was sick of playing for like you know ryan finley and Zac taylor in this offense. I think that's totally plausible. Hated being on the franchise tag all that stuff but you know. Is he going to come down to arizona and be two thousand eleven a. J. green again. No i don't think so. And you know you're basically making a one for one replacement for larry fitzgerald. Theoretically and lear fitzgerald did a lot of dirty work and that offense you know what i mean did a lot of dirty work and that off You know maybe the the book on that was really more true. And bruce arians was there unless oh when cliff kingsbury was there. But i. I don't know i i'm not a i'm not blown away by it. I think if i were them i would have been more inclined to use some of that capital and sort of make a run at the browns for odell beckham You know like you. You need that kind of guy if you wanna turn that offense from what it should be or what it is To what it should be. And i just don't think aj greens the guy it's gonna get you. They're hitting tight ends. Who obviously the patriots signed. All of them I do want to highlight look. Gerald everett is not in the class of the two guys who landed in new england. And he's not on the gronkowski glass. We all knew that was going to end up back with the tampa bay on the bills made a run at them but look gerald ever was was a very logical sort of high upside signing here for seattle. I kinda like what seattle did here. we're gonna hit a couple more later. But i thought this made a lot of sense for them. Yeah i mean. I thought that they should've been. I think seattle still should be involved in in discussions there but they made no secret about their desperation for For a long term option there tight end. you know they just haven't had the guy Really since jimmy. Graham left but even when jimmy graham was there it wasn't something that really necessarily worked out for them so You know i yeah. I thought it was a nice Nice option there Especially since it came out hungry hungry hippos all the other guys really not much else you can do there the offense of year trent williams good for the four hundred getting this done and he gets a contract that he deserves even though he is a little bit advanced age turning thirty. Three here The other one. I liked kelman beecham. I don't know why no one just doesn't lock up columbia. I love kelman beecham. I know he's aging. And that's that's the way it goes but i think he's been really good the last couple of seasons since The steelers on him go and he was really good last year. For the cardinals. Another guy who has come in and has been the best player on a lot of bad offensive lines since he left. And so i guess you have to take that into consideration but great locker room guide to a guy can come in and really kind of help. A coach accomplish what he wants to accomplish. So yeah i thought that was. I thought that was good. Option offense line was really one of the few positions that retained its value in free agency. As a whole i mean cory lindsay's contract reset the center market joe. Tony was able to reset the interior offensive line market. And trent williams able to reset the tackle market so Really it shows the importance in general Of that but to your point about kelvin. Beecham the importance of nailing. Guys like that because you can't you know there is no more dream team offensive line. You're going to have to have two or three guys that you're paying dirt money And and they're playing really good football for you. I will say the offensive line class The biggest head scratcher. This first week of ramsey was the panthers ended up getting one of my favorite values at at edge has gone rettig on a one year. Eight million dollar deal which is a great value. They're the they're giving eight million guaranteed to cameron erving that i couldn't believe that i couldn't believe the pat l. Flying signing for six million guaranteed. I don't know man. I don't think either of those guys are starters in this league and they're i guess gonna be starting for carolina but those two signings happened and it was like. Oh my goodness this is. What's going on there in carolina but then they scoop up a songwriting. It's like oh well that'll kind of make up for it. Yeah assan riddick can play left. Tackle matt rhule's offensive line. Evaluations have been puzzling since moment one really since he's gotten into the nfl first thing he did was Deal trai turner and he just looks at things a little differently. I don't know if that's joe brady's influence. I don't know if brady wants a certain kind of guy. But i don't know if that's fitter in the front office saying that. Hey we need to kind of allocate some of these funds elsewhere but rule has just been interesting like i. I don't know what. I can't get a beat on what he wants from his offensive line. If we're hitting those Edge slash defensive line. Guys i i i i really like larry jobe and He lands in cincinnati. And let's see if they can walk a little bit more out of him there As far as the edge guys go. Look i i. We've talked about jonah gaga. I love him That was i think it for guys who were kind of like like. Oh that's a really nice addition type thing. I think baltimore did well to retain ties bowser. I think he's really interesting as a parent to matt jude on there. But i i don't know if there's anything else you really jumped out as thomas was kind of an interesting signing for minnesota as a guy who i guess he's kind of the new lindvall joseph there but he's not really a guy who's going to create a whole lot of pressure. Yeah but they were so desperate like they were so threadbare. I think on that defensive line that you had to make a move in. I i had i had kinda projected them as trying to pick off some of these vets. Here that are in the bottom. You know bottom seventy guys here in our fridge enlists like would they've gone after like a cohen short or something like that. You know just to try to Just to try to get some sort of a presence or a push and try to hit on some of these guys at the tail end of their playing career but tomlinson's good i mean tomlinson's guy that at least control the run for you hill. He'll bring in some semblance of professionalism that defensive line and it makes it less. Frustrating when mike. Zimmer inevitably drafts another quarterback in the for cornerback in the first round and doesn't play anyway so You know at least at least you have something the linebackers don't really move a whole lot here. I want to david. a matt. Milana got signed before free agency opened jam. Brown ends up. Just re signing with tennessee. Here and at the time or tabin cagey right. And eric wilson soliciting. Eric wilson's really interesting to me. I think he's the guy that you'd circle as we might have kind of star potential star here or we might have a guy who is just a really good athlete you kind of flash in minnesota and it never really comes together for them. Yeah a couple of guys think You know but at the same time the the linebacker markets never gonna be the same as it was and it's just so it is the most bizarre market free agency where they're like three or four guys that you have to resign because they're integral to your defense than the rest of them. Reviewed is complete replaceable. Parts like it's almost like the defensive running back and so yeah but they're still certainly some talent there and it's always the market where you feel like you can get that that guy for nothing and have him come in and help turn your turn your defense around your Your johnson if you will. But then don't pay them that's the giants. They paid him afterwards. They shouldn't have done that. The defensive backfield. I'm a william jackson guy. I realize aging and he might fall off a cliff in year. Two or three of this deal in washington. But i thought he was the only clear cut number one corner on the market even though i do like shaquille griffin My favorite signing though is is kyle fuller reuniting with vic fangio out in denver and look. He's he's a guy who sort of slicked back a little bit under chuck pagano but not that much And i don't fangio got the best side of him in chicago. I i really think that's good addition on the other side. Add ronald darby. Who on fine with but I think that's a couple of nights editions. Here for the broncos secondary. Yeah i mean any defensive back kind of going to play with vic fangio makes lot of sense the mind blower for me is how did how did you let desmond king go to houston. I think he's so much better than everybody else does. Apparently and you know. I've been surprised that kind. How wayward his careers. Ben after being like one of the best defensive backs and football like over the first two years of his career had down moments for sure. You know maybe there's some there's some holes in his play that i'm not aware of but like just to basically like send him there to To castaway in irrelevance in houston is a little bit of a bummer. Because i think he could have been a really critical piece in plays all three spots really well so i don't know i i was. I was surprised that desmond king. I really liked that. that guy. he's been a head scratcher now. We have two teams that have had him in. Sort of been like okay. We don't watch anymore so you kind of wonder what's going on there. As far as safety is go and look the safety market has always been weird and and guys not quite gotten paid the way they thought we'd get pay jalen mills was kind of the i opener to me. I didn't think gail mills was necessarily gonna land a starting job somewhere and and now it looks like he's going to be a big part of that patriots defense but Anthony harris who. Look i think harris is probably a little bit overrated from what he did in minnesota last two years but the eagles got him on a really affordable one year deal. That was just a really good value there and then on you know looking elsewhere john johnson. I love john johnson. I think he is everything you want in a safety in twenty twenty one and i think Clean landing him just makes a joe would so happy out there with a sort of the flexibility. That's gonna give that defense. Probably d- i mean probably the cleanest signing of free agency for me was was johnson. And then you know you maybe get back you know. You don't know what he is yet. And all of a sudden. I think that secondary goes from you know. I don't want to put too many expectations on an injured rookie safety second round pick but all of a sudden i think that defense goes from okay to like. Whoa i mean you know maybe not pittsburgh level but like upper middle tier of the nfl. Good kiani neal to dallas with dan. Quinn reuniting that that was kind of heart warming. Yeah yeah. Good for dan quinn. In bad for other teams. That didn't sign. Neil to i mean that's not a lot of money for kiana. Neil that you know that that should have been a no for some other team that needed safety. Help these safeties man. I just don't get paid anymore. I don't i don't know i don't know why it's like a. It's like an old safety talking to his son and being like bagging the day. We used to be a win. When would it have been like. We used to be like landon collins and now. we're all just drifted away. Yeah yup our conor. We got plenty more this week as free agency rolls on. And we're going to have transitioned draft stuff coming up. You will be with jenny on the weak side podcasts. Coming up on tuesday. If you don't already subscribe please do. But that's a that's it. That's everything we liked about the first week of free agency literally everything. I can't think of a single other thing that i left out. Yeah that's it. No more thoughts say none -pletely emptied amount feels good the qb monday morning nfl. Pike connor or and me gary gramling by shelby. Roisin is executive razors podcasts. Scott brody mark is emeritus editor of the qb and he is the founder of the qb nfl. Podcast be sure to subscribe to this. Feed as well as the feeds for the side. Podcast on the albert fear. Show there all for free on apple podcasts. And once you do subscribe leave a rating view. All of them. It really does help. Other people find the shows which are also available on spotify radio.com stitcher s dot com. And wherever else. You listen to podcasts.

andy dalton ryan fitzpatrick kenny golladay chicago josh allen russell wilson allen robinson nick foles nfl matt nagy alan robinson miami washington gm russell hyundai ryan dalton saquon barkley leonard williams
Pt. 1: Long Beach St. HC Dan Monson on Laying Gonzaga Foundation, Mark Few Early Years, '99 NCAA Tourney Run

All Ball with Doug Gottlieb

1:03:40 hr | 3 months ago

Pt. 1: Long Beach St. HC Dan Monson on Laying Gonzaga Foundation, Mark Few Early Years, '99 NCAA Tourney Run

"Hey gordon the idea what gandy dancer is were phrenologists. What about a knocker upper. Believe it or not these are all actual jobs from the past and the stories behind them are fascinating. I'm matt beat and i'm helen. Hong at every week we take a look at it different occupations. That is now jobs elite on our new podcast called. You guessed it jobs elite. Check it out on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcast this is all all all all the time A couple of things. I want to get to and then dan monson is my guest. This is gonna be two part pod and you're just you're not gonna to miss partout. It's part one is amazing. Partout is even better so but that doesn't mean she download part and not listen to part one we start with with the beginnings of what i thought was a basketball career turned out. Do you know he was a football player in college as well how he got into college coaching What it was like being around his dad He actually had to minors. And one of those miners was actually. They're both the reason that he became a coach. There's a. There's a bunch to get to so dan monson who is one of the he he was. He was the coach of of gonzaga when they went to eight and they may well have their best team ever. This year will see the number one team in the country. We talk mark view. We talked about the gonzaga family. There's just a a incredible like a crap ton of great stories in this pod I do wanna say this one thing on on on on the brooklyn nets. There's there's a lot of discussion. And frankly i think reasonable discussion on kyrie irving and how he's difficult. I don't know how much he really wants to be playing basketball right now. And at the end of the day you're going to have to if not every nba champion east drinks. Sleeps everything basketball. Not every guy does some of them. It's just what they did. I don't think derek jeeter loved baseball. He never asked me never watched baseball when he was playing baseball. A night off was like he was watching. Went out about that. He did even now with what he does with the yankee what he does with his own team the marlins i'm not sure he's all about ball that doesn't mean you can't beat me arguably the greatest player of our generation. I mean i would argue otherwise but again. There's an argument there. Mr yankee shortstop champion clutch player etc. But as much as we to point out the flaws of kyrie irving dribbles too much. He thinks he's a defensive better defense player than he is. He's hard to coach and no one knows me around tomorrow evening. Plays great tonight. I think there's a chance. This thing. Works with james harden as the facilitator and kevin durant and kyrie irving as the scores doesn't mean that there won't be nights in which james harden gets his. It doesn't mean that you couldn't see a way in which if they can move kyrie irving and get pieces they probably would. But you can't because no one knows of a shovel work tomorrow. But let's not defame kyrie irving that guy can seriously hoop. He is a bucket. He is the best ball handling finishing guard in the league. It's some of the other little nonsense stuff the things he says some things he does that drive people crazy but mostly because he has so much god given talent and he's had so much productivity when he's been healthy in the nba. I'm not a seller. I think i'm kind of a buyer. Because i don't really love any other teams in the east are. Let's get to our podcast. Dan monson has been the head coach for a long time with long beach state but once upon a time he was the head coach of tiny little gonzaga and after taking over they went to the elite eight. In two years he went to the it and then delete eight and And then you left and we'll get to whether or not there's remorse how he looks back to watch the games. Cheer for the team. Did he always. There's some good stories about minnesota here. Some incredible stories about gonzaga my conversation. Here's head coach. The forty niners long beach state. Dan monson okay. Let me just start with this is. Our lives are not similar. Isa grew up in basketball households. What was the munson household. Like when you were that's a that's a great question. Because i wanna know what the godly household was like because down here in orange county. You know your dad. Your dad was like running a you and all that i think The probably the difference was in mind. Is i didn't have a brother It was just me and my dad all the time and so When it was time to go to practice you know it was like a big deal. When i didn't have school and could go the yellow school bus. Would you know he was a high school coach to begin with a and yellow school bus who come Around the elementary school the pick me up with the team on it. I mean that was the coolest thing for the whole playground media get on high. School bus was was pretty cool. So i've great memories you know but i don't know i don't know how your dad was with it but but my dad was adamant for me not to get into it Yeah he'd coaching. Yeah he did not want to be a coach always said. Hey you're you're too smart. You know this Know you see all the pitfalls and everybody else sees the the you know the good parts of it and everything. But i was a junior at at idaho in in a accounting class. Sophomore junior year they had to. You had to start picking a actual accounting classes I started like a cold sweat like you may be doing people's taxes for the rest of my life. I can't do that. So i i went home for sunday dinner because he was At the time. And i was I was gonna uranium idaho. And so i always come home to get my laundry done for my mom and get free cooked meal and i would nervous. I i said in in you know as you as we have. We have a lot of traits of our dads and and a lot of well. He was shoveling food in like my kids do like i do know manners to it at all over there. Just not even looking up. You know. Just eat said data. I got something i wanna talk about. I said i wanna be a coach and he didn't even quit eating Had food is mouth when he answered he said. You want to be a coach because 'cause i coach you want to be a coach because you wanna coach and i said Data it's it's i. It's it's what i it's all i know it's what i wanna do is what i want to be. It's what i wanna do. And i can't i wanna give do peoples taxes. I don't wanna be that person and he didn't say a word he got up around. The table gave me a big hug and said but you're not gonna major in p. e. You're too smart for that. But i'm you know he just wanted me to. Do you know for the right reasons and You know my my son now is. Maguire is is with a student assistant with leon rice. At boise i tell my boys. It's great you know because it's been so great for me. And and i can't imagine doing anything else Okay but you. You played for him. What was that like. What's the experience of playing for your dad like college. You know the interesting thing about me is i. I know you you played at notre dame and and and oklahoma state. And so i didn't. I was not going to college. Playwright high school and i was better than football and i actually played for dennis. Erickson at your resume idaho football for two years and tore a tornado. My senior in high school with your knee in college playing for him. I heard by a my my my right knee. I tore my acl my freshman year at idaho playing football and so i. I had a void in my in my day every day. Then at three o'clock i didn't know what to do so i started going to basketball practice. 'cause i knew more about basketball. You know my dad's there and everything. So i just went to practice every day my junior senior year and And just sat there. You know with my big back. Then you had a cast from your from your hip to your ankle you know for year. You were laid up with the acl so That you know. I always knew more about. I was just a better football player. Cup coming out of high school was he was good players. Coach i you know i. I enjoyed my time. I was nothing. I you know i I have my. My career was three kickoff Kickoff teams tore my knee my freshman year there. So you know. I mean more in terms of like was very successful at miami and oregon state and i just. I'm fascinated by you know coaching. It's coaching i did. The i understand is is different in terms of football and you have other systems Position groups in so the stop brought there is something to being able to motivate organize And get everybody collectively pushing towards one goal. I'm just wondering as a as a kid who grew up in a coach's household what dennis erickson was like and what you remember about his coaching style that that still resonates to this day. He was very good all those things. He was really good he i was. I was Defensive back and so but he was offensive genius. You know just before ahead of his time just spreading the field out and That i just remember him. A nervous He threw up before every game. Dennis eric situa- he just would be very high strung. Very nervous very Just Really jump on people for small details. He's a great coach. You know and at proved out. I mean you know he. He went everywhere. he was at in idaho. Start so you get done. You gotta degree. What is math or something you math computer. Science and pe minors. Yeah so you did do the everything. Even though know. I didn't major in a i am wondering what the minor you but again but to be to be a high school coach back then i had it might create needs. So i'm sure okay so you go to oregon to be a high school coach for now doubt now. Dad was a head. Coaching your so oregon and Would that math degree he was right. I mean back then. There was a shortage of math teachers. I had five job interviews five offers. I mean i could with the any high school because they they're short math teachers at wanted to coach so I ended up going to oregon city high school right out suburbs of portland because it was far enough away but i could still go the duck games and watch his teams and start my own and and i was a jv basketball coach and start off eleven. Oh and then. The head coach dole. Two of my players put him up on varsity in better. We we we struggle that after that. But i It was a time in my life but the problem i had is after teaching five math classes. I didn't know if i wanted to coach anymore. I was so tired. You know you'd already. You've already done. Basically five practices Before you got the practice in so You know. I kind of started doubting coaching really. What is what i wanted to do. So i went to the final four that year and And i met jean Swimming pool and And actually everybody thinks my dad got me in. But my mom knew bartos from the nike coaches trip and And so she's talking to mrs bartolo and he asked me what i was doing everything and i i said i i wanna get. I wanna be a graduate assistant somewhere. And he's really icees his. I lost my graduation. The he asked me two questions. I never forget you have a car. I said yeah and he said. Are you married. I said no. He said i might have a spot for you. You know so You know i was like beverly hillbillies a packed up the truck yet in moved across country to to birmingham alabama for two years. And the time of my life. That's where you know when you talk about coaches. That's where i really learned. Always tell people that that. I learned what it was to be a coach from my dad. And he's coke. 'cause i was around them as a kid really formulated as you know you know you really see the back. You know backstage pass. What is the What is the coach. But i learned xs and os and how how to coach. Dan fitzgerald gonzaga in june barbecues. Gene bartos really interesting. Because my dad and judd. We're just so old school. You know. Daily dozen twelve different ways to shoot lay in you know left hand On a off the right foot on the left side. Jean bartow which is the opposite. Darned if you can't shoot with the left hand why would you use it. just you know. Get that mall it. Don't that ball. I mean he was a very simplistic Great coach in a whole different way in. So i learned a whole bunch of birmingham. Those two years okay. So your you know your your life was a pacific northwest in moscow and then lansing in the back of it was cheney and then to lansing and then to moscow and the to organ. So you arrive. In birmingham alabama birmingham alabama. What's your first memories of opening up your car door and what that early part of your life is like a you know i love my experience i just was taken back by people still fighting the civil war there. You know you know and and and as you have year like this year with the black lives matter movement and stuff. I remember going for a jog my first week and went to the track there. And it's so humid and going to the getting a drink and finding y water was so cold and it was one of those ovation with just a little knobs. That you didn't touch water was just always running. And i looked down and a habit in grade. F h o r f. W for whites. Only and i was like. You're kidding me. I was just taken back. That the that would still be on a drinking fountain You know in nineteen eighty seven and even One time Gene bartow comes in and he was just a master of you didn't know what when he asked dan months to get in my office. I need you and you know your graduate assistant. You're running in you don't you. Don't one time it's you know A you don't anything this afternoon. No coach what you need. He said well my my darn cool guy quit on me. Ruth need some help at the house you know. Can you go vacuum out. You know so. Jabs i walk in there and he like oh boy the pool he or you know some commercial you need to stand but whatever you know stand by guy He says Michael jordan's in town. And i need a murray and i his son murray and i. We're gonna take him out for round a golf this afternoon. need a force. I heard you're pretty good can. Can you go with us. And i'm like. I couldn't get home and call enough people before the time you know but the the sad part about it was. He was a member shoal creek and he was so embarrassed because he calls show creek and they wouldn't let us on because michael jordan was african american mrs nike and eighty seven and We had to go to inverness which is another nice course in town by about the twelfth people were coming out and cards and i said to. Michael i said Is it always like this. He goes nah he goes usually they find us on the front nine anyway. Good stories. yeah but birmingham was awesome. Awesome experience but but just a different culture of life that i lived in the northwest. How'd you how'd you get back to the pacific northwest. An ankle jacket. Well Funny but you know because at that computer science minor that was a big deal back then. Nobody knew what a computer was. And so dad was head. Coach at oregon. So on the summers. I would go and run his camp for him. And that's where the as you call it and some other people called the guns egg mafias really started was at the camp because I was I i would have that whole Camp on on a computer program and who would be what court at. What time win. Lunch was and all this. And so i'd also have to hire the coaches so the coach creswell high school one of them. Hey can i bring my assistant. I'm like yeah. This mark few guy you know assisted high school whatever. Go ahead and bring him. Billy greer was assisted a cottage grove. High school where we're just looking for coaches. You know so leon. Rice was the coach. Boise now is billy greer's out at colorado. I know you know all these. Doug but So we all worked. The camp and mike peterson was the women's assistant coach and he worked the camp to while mike Mike was a got to my dad. Helped him get the head job at at at gonzaga as a women's coach because he went from the oregon assistant so so mike had told me. Hey you know you do a good job with your dad's camp. Can you help us out. Here gonzaga's oh The two summers that i was at. Uab iran my dad's campaign and i work Gonzaga so i got the no fits nate. They had an opening on that but that's that's kind of where you know My connections were at camp was really a big part of it. It's just hilarious. And i'm just making sure y'all know that i got a book is called carefully. Reckless on the black effect network. I'm to be telling your all my business and suddenly go off of people's business to you and ain't no limits of the things i've talked about. Y'all know that if your no meat from baby mama. Drama to healthy relationships from charleston to stimulus checks look like a setback. And you realized that we all go through crazy stuff that we got stories. It's out those situations. Do not define you. But they do make ruge conversation in a whirlwind clicked. Bacon cancelled contract. And tell you story before you. I'm creating the outlets remind people that we still human crazy and we can all laugh about. It don't stress over it. Bring your problems to me. i promise. I won't judge you but i might crack jokes. You don't be skirt. it'll be respectful and messy at the same time does make sure you tune in listen carefully. Reckless every wednesday on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcast okay. So then at what point in time that you like okay. I'm going back to be system. Well i got my masters. It took two years and then i would win anywhere. I remember a coach. Morgan sailor at i think it was northern illinois. I got one interview there but but you know as everybody knows that step from graduate assistant to a fulltime assistant. I would've went anywhere in the country for that for that opportunity to be a division one and it was just so fortunate that i was able to go where the town i was born in. You know was born in spokane. My my i had all four alive at the time that lived in spokane And it was really kind of an all or nothing. I didn't really have a backup plan. I i interviewed with. And i remember walking out of the interview at the final four and in from his hotel room with dan fitzgerald and he did like if you knew fits he did like ninety percent of the talking and all the stuff prepared to tell him and everything. I walked out just so dejected. I was like. I'm not getting that job and i don't know what else i you know. I don't i don't know where to go or what to do. You know that's the only division one job. I really haven't hopper and And i remember. He told pete. Mike peterson the women's coach. At the time he said yeah he thought it went really. Well i really okay. Well it's roll with it then. And i ended up getting the job and You know i was the second assistant there and then A year later the the head assistant. was was gone and so he moved me up to the head assistant and well actually the first year i got there with a d b. o. Job or back. Denims restrict earnshaw was open. He said is any you have anybody. I'm twenty years older than me fit. Swallows and he's like i don't know any of these young guys who do this job and he said so i went back to my guys camp and And i asked mark few i and And mark will tell you was five hundred dollars a year. But he's he's he's making so much money now he can't remember. How much was the back. But it was a five thousand dollar jobs like five hundred. A month is what it was. And and he says god. I'd love to get into college. Coaching so bad he said but i can't. I can't afford do that. So i tried a couple other guys to get somebody even back. Then this is eight hundred eighty eight eight. Yeah this eighty eight and even back then. Five thousand was. You just couldn't live on that so i went back to him about a month later. I said look. I've got a two bedroom apartment. I said what have you live in the other bedroom for free. Could you come do this. And he says yeah. I think i could make that happen. So that's mark. Got on a gun zeta. Then the following year the head assistant Laughed and so. I got moved up to from second to first and mark got moved up full-time so we did the same thing. We bought. billy greer in As as the graduate assistant Or a restricted earnings guy. When we got a lot better deal. When when billy came. Because he's kinda as you know the felix unger of the group. I mean he cooked cleaned mark martin. Come with any of those skill sets. Okay so what do you remember your first year. Gonzaga's all anybody can think of now. Gonzaga is winning the league. And you know they they they actually skip the stockton. And then there's a gap and then your run in the ncaa tournament and then what few has done. What you remember about gonzaga when you first got there as as a team Doug spradley and jimmy fee your two best players of your hundred team in the wc now as backward pepper aberdeen was rolling right and that was right when lmu started getting going transfers. What would you remember about about those conservatives. My first my first Day there they had a recruit in He was going to walk on but he was The but they were really high on him. Recruiting is his name was jamie dudley and jamie deadly was a a point guard at same high. Steve kerr pacific palisades. They're count him. As the next kerr and so. I was really excited. You know to to meet this kid and everything and he comes with his dad. His dad was a doctor. Knew nothing about basketball They're walking across the old martin center. And i go over to meet him and his dad. First of all takes his shoes off because he was so didn't realize you know that's that's like nine hundred sixty when you couldn't wear dress shoes on his. Yeah by such the basketball court yet. Yeah so he takes his shoes off. And i look over and i'm thinking well he's got his little brother. He must be in a bathroom or something. Because this kid Nine duds is. He's not five nine and he. We limit five five eight five seven. Whatever but back even then he was he had to be one hundred and thirty pounds hundred he was just. It was and i'm like oh my and i'm coming from uab where we had some dudes now we had players and i mean uab was Sweet sixteen team you know and Been a ncaa for seventy years and stuff so That was my first memory of. And i'm like wow. This is kind of guys. Were recruiting here and jayme. Jamie is a friend of mine now. He's gonna kill me when he hears this but but I got so. I gotta say he end up being starting to really good player. There and i was totally wrong. By judging by the book by its cover but It was a whole different. You know the the the kennel was first game. There were maybe five hundred people there. My four grandparents were sitting there proud in section by themselves. You know they were the only ones with reserved seats. Everybody else would. Why would you pay when you could get a general admission ticket for half the price and not have to sit behind the bench so it was a And mark said it went into the final four the whole thing was built brick by brick and the right way but it was a slow slow process and it started really with a foundation in a in a brick at the bottom of the totem pole. Fits would take us out. He would drink red wine and we would sit there. You know a single guys. Just looking at the clock. How are we going to be here nights. You know night after night and he would tell us every time you had. You had a lot of the same old stories but one of his tried and true ones was. This is the worst job in Wc seat and he had all these facts in and they were all true. You know he said he said we have the worst weather i mean. We don't have the weather san diego or any la or san francisco or portland. You know we. We have the least amount of players in our area which which is true. You know i mean the the bay area hurt or or portland or any of that. We have the worst facility besides you know. And we're the row besides saint mary's and we're the most remote For recruits to get to so in of their family so a lot of really good points of why it was where it was and and the only one not really listening to that was mark. I mean every time he. That's what makes mark who he is and work on. Zeta is now. Because you know. Every time you hear something like that it would just You could just you could just see. I actually see his the skin. Turn on him in the look on his face was just like you know. I am not on that list of this. Your your first goodyear when you were there really was ninety one ninety two because you went. I share their your five hundred. You guys were terrible. I i like. I like nine games. And then The team with jeff brown. Gerry davis i e end up finishing worth wctc but you win twenty games the the next next year you win. Nineteen but ten in four league. What what what. I had it fits coach. What was his style. It was always unique about commits coach. He he was super negative. Just super old school. You know we have some great. I mean we could. We could do a whole podcast on fit stories if you got mark for that. One mark won't do it because he's you know he's the godfather began the exact. We have to have the godfather but but fits fits westbound Because we always say we probably learn more not to do than to do but we learned a lot of valuable lessons for fits but the the best negatively one was a one time we lost a jump ball and he just stopped his feet mark. And i just both because we're on each side of him. You thought we were gonna lose lose. I thought i was going to lose my right foot. And he was doing his left and just just stood up and just stared down into ballgame because we lost a jump ball. There's thirty nine minutes and fifty. Eight seconds left you'll ballgame the relate to that so far mcafee recruited me to notre dame and digger wasn't there but digger is still around and he was broadcast at the time but he was always in the train. I can always opinion on everything and an entertaining guy. So i go over to phrase house one time after practice. He's like i was really bad. You know like freshmen. come in. They think they're gonna be really good. Oh so bad. Just the bad place. So i said what was what was digger like at. He said he's like okay. I give my best. Digger is my least favorite favorite digger story ago. He said you know he. Fucking aided indiana pop night and hated hated it. He wanted so whoever got that scout. You better have everything to do with in the is that will be much doubt. I don't do anything. They run that little triangle they on two different types of motion. They have won imbalanced play. And then you just kinda gotta study their personnel. Like there's no place they just run motion and but he wants to know everything they do when they did why they did it and everything so i think he lost seventeen pounds every night. I'm watching. I watched literally every indiana game. It was like the third game of the year at every indiana game for the last two years. And this is you know synergy. And you're watching legit taper lining whenever and Second play the game ball goes out of bounds underneath road basket and they'd they'd always run one kind of inbound plates. I can't say when do grand forever. which is you know basically at four guys along the baseline and you just kinda circle. The guidance strong side corner goes to the weak side corner of the guy that weeks quarter comes off the staggered strikes. That's all they run That's it that's it that's it you know. Maybe sometimes the big screen for each other but we prepared for it for a week and they they they line up in a completely different set. And he's like here. I am like my suit doesn't fit me hanging off me look like i'm going to chemo. Re-look bag because all i put all of my energy preseason into this indiana scout it turns friday thank is at the practice. He hired different. The same thing like it's it is interesting and it's interesting because you know at least outwardly. And i don't know what he was like as a coach but hourly keys. What us one of the funniest human beings i've ever met dirty is l. But the funniest human beings. I have ever met. But show many of those older coaches and i find myself. Coaching kids like struggling with because i was raised in a household where negativity right. Where just somebody makes a mistake. Just jumping up and it's it's interesting that that that's how it. That's that's how the game was taught then and it is not his evolved in many ways to not be taught in nearly the same cash. Yeah and you know But you like those guys that he was a good coach. I mean he he knew you know i mean the xs and os and we learned a lot from him And a lot like santa Things we wouldn't because he was super hard on us and like i don't think to this day we packed. If we ever get to be a head. Coach will never have a meeting tonight of game after gaining too emotional. 'cause we would call a paper route because you know he runs a jump ball. Jump ball is a big deal to him. You know you had to prepare. You had to win you know. The lower were tipping it. Everything he during a jump ball back ten times and we're like this is going to be a paper route because we're going to go home in the paper is going to be sitting right there and we're gonna see the paper boy you know going around the neighborhood because it's going to be five in the morning before we get out of here you know so But but You know those guys just And jotted my dad were in fits were lot. They had a lot of similarities. Just how they coach. I said you know left hand lanes and and Jump stops and and You know the game the game now in kids just don't respond to to the negatively or to to that kind of a coaching style anymore. So we've all evolved in. We're all better for it. I think you know in the long run did did it went Ninety four you guys won. The won was but it did. It didn't become a thing. Gonzaga composed tournament. Like why wasn't it. It didn't because it didn't hit until you became mchugh became the head coach. Why wasn't why wasn't good. Sagamore on the map at that point. Well i think it was. It was still still evolving. You know in the fact that That that that group that you said you know that one league the first year those guys were i. Think the first recruiting class. We had as assistant lisa. might came next year and that group that group change gonzaga's mind set to change the culture lot. We richard five guys in a halfway through the year. We quit scrimmaging on because they were just annihilate confidence wise they were so much better than the guys who were put on a year. He said we won nine games and to his credit you know. He bit the bullet that year because all of them didn't need a red shirt. Some of them could have played. Jeff brown obviously couldn't Because he was a transfer from a washington at the time but we had matt stanford. I think a deadly might have been part of that jeff Adjoured davis was part of that matt stanford who were part of that team. That won a championship. Memorial wall was the center of that of that scout team. So you know the thing about that program that is always. The culture of it's always been is like even my team in ninety ninety nine that went to date on that team. It had i think three or four guys at least paid one year of college. And it had about five or six guys that That i'm had red-shirted and You know that that's kind of always been a staple gonzaga is you. Wait your turn. You know develop You know you get stronger in becoming with a chip on your shoulder. You're not the player. You wanna be the you know you can be and we're gonna we're gonna develop you get you get you there in a year or two and you know that that that was the start of that kinda culture knows that those five guys sitting out and we did win the league and then we didn't sustain it and ended up Take a couple more years but we were never you know we were always on the cusp. We were different program after we went out late in two thousand. And what would you say was yet. Many many for as a lot of i can't remember. I know a lot of lot of blood. Postgame easy said you wouldn't have that you had actually never have unless unless we're not named the next day. Well i mean oppose a meeting had triggered a beer. Is it really any any different. Right is it. Is it related. It was up everybody. It's me three time. Pro bowl lavar arrington and i couldn't be more excited to announce a new podcast called up long game. What is a point game you add along with my fellow pro bowler man longhair. Mr prince charming himself. Tj and stretch armstrong. Super bowl champion. Yup that's right plaxico burs. Did you hear that lavar. Arrington t outta. Let's go burs all one show shoes. You can only name a show with that type of talent on it up on game. We're going to be sharing our real life. Experiences are real life stories. people loaded with teachable moments. That's the key. This show will break the mold and create a new way of thinking athletes and sports topics. Listen to up on game with me. The bar harrington tj cushman's outta amplitude burs on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts. From tony people what happened last year. When went bad at the end right. I mean you guys what would happen at the at the end. No it went a win. He had a decent year. I think i forget what his record was But they About three years before he retired university eastern washington opened up and John johnson the ad talked to both my dad. And i i my dad and my dad's like hey i'm retired. I'm not interested in. So then he. He offered me the job. And i went into fits and i said hey i think i'm gonna go to eastern. I think i'm ready to be a head coach. He says. I know you're ready. But he goes you. Don't you don't wanna do that he goes. You can't win. They're they don't have the resources he goes. You're crazy you don't just go be a head coach head coach and i said well i don't know said well. Let's let's talk about tomorrow. Let's take a night. So i called eastern said. I need a couple of days in so he comes back the next day and he said okay. What if i coach five more years and father coggin says you know we can promise you that the job and i said you know five years you know at that. When you're young twenty. I was i guess. Thirty thirty five thirty. I'm like i can't wait. You know i mean this five more years as are living you know so i said i don't think so i think i'm going to do. He comes back the next day so talked to darlene. How about if coach this year next year and we promised you i said yeah that'd be so. I was coaching waiting for go out. Rick we'd go out and recruit the when that before my first and he didn't go out at all. We got crucified recruiting wise. In fact that everybody was well how you going to go with this young staff. None of us ever been a head coach. You know all that and yet became a blessing. Because the casey cavs the world that said screw it. This is who i want to play for. And i'm gonna show you guys. This is gonna you know that was our you know. Santangelo was already already on board. But you know. I think richie and matt where those first two guys that really believe in us. Okay c. c. takeover and the hendrix. How'd you get. How'd you get the cari. I saw cari that the year before in vegas at one of those you know off. She should go to vegas now. There's a million high school. But there's one jesse tournament and i really liked his game and i remember a never forget calling him. And and and you know saying. Hey you know We're gonna recruit your next year and everything you know. I really liked what you saw. Were in need a big man. He's gonna be my you know i'm going to be the coach in a year or so and and you know really lead the have you. Because he was yet another year junior college left. And so i had to end the phone. Call now if you were going to do this. You know we're gonna recruit you gotta have good grades. And i give him. The academics built guns as a good school. And we gotta make sure that you keep your grades up. He goes he goes all. I'm a good student. Which every every jc guy's going to tell you. I'm a good student. When i said i said what do you mean by a good student. He goes well. I'm a predictor. i could you know. I predicted out of high school. I said you mean you're eligible right now. I said he said yeah. I said well does. Your jc coaches know that he goes. Yeah he just doesn't tell anybody or something like that. And i said well. We got a scholarship now. Would you be interested in coming now. And so i think you know we kinda quote unquote stole him because nobody really knew that he had three years and could back. Then you know that. That wasn't a very normal path for kids to get the division one and yeah and he was You know he was a man out of Forget what junior college out of Out of northern california but He came up and i remember Committed to me and then Reneged and went to on a visit to new orleans and came back and and was going to go there. And i said hey you you are you tell your manual word in your in. Shame minute come into gonzaga. 'cause i think new orleans Bit better place than we were at that time that was kind of got people were recruiting against okay so Santangelo let now for the record. I think centaines gets lost in all the discussions about the great gonzaga cards like his. I i remember in your first year flipping on. Espn late at night and watch the w. c. c. Gains like yell. This can go and we used to watch this kind of late night Recruitment that was all mark. Mark had a A vendetta against fits fits was as far as recruiting goes because fits would Get pissed if crude anybody to pack back into pakistan. Pat was recruiting Because hey you're we wasted schools money. You guys stupid you know you can't you're not ever gonna beat when it comes down to those kids are going to just a long string you along but the end of the day they're gonna go to a pac ten school so just despite because they just go head to head on so many things just to spite him. Mark would only recruit guys. They had a pack twelve on their list and so So s- santangelo was his three schools that he visited was was a stanford rice and gonzaga. And that shows you the back then. I mean those. Those two schools were academically and athletically. Head was a no brainer for a kid. You know and and saying that mark has that quality that that you know and that people know him know his ability to to make people believe something. I mean he can go off on. I dunno climate control and whatever he wants and make you whatever side. You're on convince you the other way you know. I mean he. I thought i heard him for cause mark nine bill now. We lived together for eight years and marcy lived with me the first year they're married. You got get their own house. Oh i'd listen to every recruiting call in. Even i was. I was kinda bits inside. I'm like this kids go into stamford. Okay he is coming here you know and mark would give him the oh you think stanford he goes really. So what you're telling me is is your. You don't like basketball. You're not a basketball player. And they were like they were like a top ten in the country basketball. Why he said. Because you're not gonna you're not gonna play there. They got this guy. They got this guy this guy. So you're going to go for the education m l. car at the end of the bench because you know they've already got two or three point guards and and so you don't really you don't really care about your career. And he would just and he have ability to do it and say it in a way where he would challenge the kid but not kiss him off. Which you know is is an art form and and You know i remember we. There weren't a lot of games on but it turned on one in right us on a visit rice upsets. I you know Not texas but texas tech or somebody at home and he's out in the middle in the they got him on the field. Tear down the goalposts. And he's on a. You could see him on there. And we're like we're not getting this kid. There's no way even stanford stanford as down at long beach now gwen mcdonald's in hall of fame here. It was an nba player and his son. Michael mcdonald ends up going from Going to stand. Yeah yeah and michael mcdonald. S effort takes michael mcdonald and And so they don't end up going on matt and and mark just dug it out through the with rice and convinced him that he had one thing he convinced him to is that he can redshirt at gonzaga. because matt was he wasn't he wasn't deadly size. he was six one. Six two maybe Maybe not maybe six foot. But he's super athletic but he was one hundred forty five fifty pounds and he came in and red shirted his first year and Played for a year and then played a year for me to for mark. And as as you're right on. I mean he was the He and he and clinton hall the great thing about those teams as they had two point guards on it and they played off each other on always said you know two point guards and i think i heard you say that on. Tv the other day that Two point guards is really a dangerous way to play. Because you're so versatile you can't knock down stuff. And and i think i think and i think that one of the things that we underrate or we don't understand humor's especially ambassador kuebler status even guys like me in quinton hall could you. The fact is that the more more guards you have fewer turnovers. You're gonna have and the some guards turnover low okay but britain by large more guards. The we know the weakness to it rebounding obviously interior defense. But you're gonna turn over less. You're also i believe always gonna shoot a higher percentage because it's not just that they pass more a pass better at dependent korean the create for others more to right so so you had that and then you had okay. So what about rich. Because ritchie became after his career The best player. I played some in the nba. Which was i played with him at. Portsmouth us unbelievable shooter and could move and catch with great balance surrogate player. How'd you get richie. Richie was battleground. You know just He didn't have a lot of recruitment he was again. It's it was kind of the guns like mold of getting guys you know under the radar in that he wasn't very developed. I mean richie in the nba. And even the last few years ago he had a great basketball body. I mean he was six six chiseled and and but he didn't come that way. I mean he was he was six four or five and gangly and and and and week and And all the all he had really was a jump shot coming out of out of high school And it couldn't really put it on a florida all and just a just kind of a catch shoot guide but but we really valued shooting the ball gonzaga and he was just us in portland where his his last two schools and we were started. Have a little bit more success than in You know and he was. He was a real key because he Because at area you know his familiarity than than he kind of brought. Zach gordon and And dan how Were like from that. Same fifteen mile radius. It knew each other and so he ended up being a one for three package. road your to later. Okay axel dench. I remember i. I i played with actual dej. Here's a great personality abbott. And that was before aussies. Were kind of the thing really i think. Wctc right before Are getting all his office. Will that came from My dad when he got when he got Done at oregon I think that was eighty two he went a one year Professionally the coach of the adelaide. Thirty six ers in adelaide. Australia and ninety two by the next ninety nine hundred ninety nine the absolute and So i went over and visit him an assistant at gonzaga and he had a A young like sixteen year old like six cans. The ended up being seven foot but six ten really skilled kid in paul rogers on his developmental team and so I was able to quote unquote. You know get a relationship going with him and And met a couple people over there. And i met the melbourne. They played melbourne. I met the gm got his number and that kind of thing. So and we had john really but john really. We didn't get through any pipeline. John really came over on his own. Now he's assistant at santa barbara and and he was. He was a great. He was a guy that got the zags very first. nca tournament. i remember he said a. wc record for. I remember one of the timeouts. I was just in assistant for fits. And i was telling the guys guys if you'll just get out of the way john's going to get us to the ncaa tournament. I mean he. He said i think he had thirteen threes in the tournament. Seven in the championship game or something crazy but He came over on his own. And just went to tacoma community. College and john has a great story about that. You know More can i go over to watch him. And he wasn't marks kind of player mark originally was again he was into these pac twelve athletes that you know go john. We went over and watch and it was one on zero workout and and He he shot the mess out of the ball. I mean john could just. I mean without anybody out there and the mazing thing with him is he. You could face guard him for twenty minutes but if you let him go after the twenty first minute lost him. I mean it wasn't did mattered. Hadn't touched the ball and twenty minutes. It was going in. He could really shoot but at the end of that workout after As john will tell the story taty really impressed us marks to mah john shorts your best dunk shots like oh my god. I'm not that's what they're looking for the wrong guy but anyway so we did have a little bit of pipeline from my dad going over there for years and i i got a couple of connections and so Actual actual was one though. I just took the a flyer on as far as i hadn't seen him play and fitz is like. Hey you know you trust these people and you know they told me was sixteen and and you know usually when you go to meet him on the get him off the plane. They're using six five know but he was everything they they build him up to be. You know erskine big man and Was a integral cog in that in that gonzaga ryan you know it's interesting so your first year. You guys win the league. I lost in the conference tournament. Finals right so you went to the it and you play. Two games did that. I mean i get. I don't know at the time. Was that part of the mentality that changed the next year. Was that you guys just got better. And that's why you made the run. The next year added that or did you learn coach because that's also your first year as a coach. What what's that first year helped you that second that that was just a culture of the program. Then you know the those. Like i said we a lot of guys that had walked on. That didn't feel like they had you know the or should thought they should've been Players in the pac twelve level or red shirted and we were better team in in ninety eight. It was actual better team than the ninety nine team that went to the lead eight. It had all the same guys. Only bacardi hendrix's player of the year in the league and he was just a stud. You know so we we. We had everybody coming back in ninety nine but we lost him and but the chip on her shoulder and the the expectations After winning a league the year before and and if there would have had the net or the you know all the the technology you know the that was a year before the rpi. They would add any of that that team with nca tournament. I mean we had. We had you know a lot of quality. You know. power five wins But they just weren't taken teams then. They didn't have to take and we not only. We only don only got snubbed by the ncaa but but the nit cakes us and for a party. Hardy gift they send To laramie wyoming only loss was to majorities in utah. That you're at home to altitude just to get rid of us. You know we go there. We win And and and a world get kind of exciting. The locker room. We're proven that we should've went to the ncaa tournament and the director goes congratulations. This is like a tuesday thursday. You're playing in hawaii. So we gotta get from laramie wyoming to hawaiian twenty four hours and ended up losing their and so the guy's really felt you know From ninety eight. We're capable of that. And i think that was the key to that team. The key the culture of gonzaga They've been proved trying to prove every you know. Everybody always doubt some doesn't think they're the team they should be. You know that they're getting you know You know there this little cinderella. That that you know is a fun story. But they're not really as good as people are saying that that that meant mindset and culture is continued for twenty years. The next year obviously wasn't just the to win the tournament. Right it was. You guys thumped everybody in the wctc like kick the crap out of portland. You beat saint. Mary's by thirteen and then beat santa like thirty in the in the championship. These are no doubters in santa clara and santa clara cap. I was worried about that. Because you know we'd already beat him twice pretty good in a in a regular season now you gotta go to their place you know and That was that was all matt santangelo. I mean he he he had thirty psalm and he just Again he had he had heard the noise enough. And as you said he was really underrated and getting this whole thing started Okay so you go to take on. Ironically minnesota in the ncaa tournament. And now you're kinda cute little fuzzy little little gonzaga. How'd you feel because you'd played semi majors in both the past in both those two years. Had you feel about that team Her good good. I mean we felt. We felt like it was a good draw. I mean you know. They gave us a lot of respect. I think we were twelve seed you know. And that was pretty high for a gun for a mid major school back. Then you know and and you know we felt minnesota. We looked at him and they had the lewis. And clark show you know to really you know louis Nba player for a long time and But We get the pre game meal. And there's this big Scuttle or you know. They didn't really have the internet back then so we didn't really but but there was a a breaking story out of minneapolis. They had this academic scandal and at some of the guys are gonna sit and we didn't know who. We practiced all week on a triangle into a lot of different different. Looks you know Quitting hall you know on lewis. I remember that because lewis was like six seven and and we ended up going to a box of one. 'cause clark did not play. He was one of the guys they sat. But i remember telling her guys look. They're still going to take out five. Big players ninety. You guys are big ten players. You all know that. Y'all got snubbed there. So we got to worry about ourselves and that team had a great ability to do that and and there's a picture of a quinton just trying to guard his six gap seven guy who who never scored on him. I don't think and and you know we won the game but the guys weren't that excited like they they had we're kind of in. In a bubble you know they. They felt like they belong there and and and really played like it. Trying to is is interested. Because you used it. I've seen self use it employed used it. I saw a good amount was college. Could shoot solid does not one of the two. What why do you think. And we do this. Thing recalled a jug defense. Got junkie fence at you. Know as if as if taking the two best players of the game is somehow some underhanded philosophy. Right was your data. Try to guy like how did you Why would you use it. And so many others will not on. My dad was huge. He's a huge zone. He still every you know outta game last week I said. I said well guy guys. Just don't believe in its own. Well yeah you gave it to possessions. You really gave it a good chance. There didn't you dan. You know you hit that one shot. You're out of it you know. And yet my dad was my dad. Pride himself on on his defensive schemes and taking people out taking the best player out and he was a different types of boxing ones different types of triangle in twos different different types zones And i actually He he enjoyed. He's co developed the match up zone and and and michigan state national championship with the but the problem was three point. Line came in and it really. You know kind of a stretch that out. It became a little bit harder. to run. you give her any for yukon salida and they got they got a rip hamilton. they got Who by the way clear l mean i remember correctly i think he was like twelve in that game he was it was bad now. Santangelo was bad to neither could could could hit a shot. When you think back to that day what what would you. I don't have any regrets. Only regret i have about that whole run as it was too early in my career. Appreciate you know i mean i mean you know here. We are twenty one years later nets field. My claim to fame. And i'm proud of it and don't get me wrong. We're not doing this interview without it. You know that kind of thing but I i felt like it was the first time in the you know we. After minnesota stanford was a two seed. And i remember mike montgomery shaking my hand after the game. He said you guys are better than we are. And i think our players felt that same way before that game and in and in florida you know a florida. We ended up on a on a tip in casey calvary. Kip in To win it but are we felt good. I i don't care. We weren't favored going into that game. You know. I mean we felt like we were. It was a really good match for us. Connecticut was the first game or rely as a staff like. Oh boy you know we play these guys. We play these guys ten times. I'm not sure we're winning. Five of you know so But as i told our team we don't need to be. We don't need a plan ten times. We need to play once and we need to be the better team tomorrow. You know and and our. I think our guys you know really believe that i remember after that stanford the kids had a Tradition that i didn't even know about until i saw the films you know after after the whole run was over. I guess every time they'd win get off the bus and they'd run to the to the hotel pool and jump in with their uniforms on so got to be something that i guess everybody knew about me but because back then worried about you know. Hey we don't have a uniform so we don't have the money you know but don't ruin those things but i guess they're sitting in a hot tub because i saw the interview later and quint hall sitting there and good-looking sideline reporter. Gal was trying to interview them. They're like no no. No you gotta get into you. Gotta get into the jacuzzi. If you're gonna talk to us you know goater into getting in. And she in like sideline close as he gets in and he said you guys are forty minutes from the final four. How's it feel being the underdog but forty minutes away in quinton hall says we're the underdogs who says were the underdogs and that's just the mindset mentality. Those guys had. Okay so that's it for part one We'll drop part two tomorrow. Why not right. We'll drop part two tomorrow. It's a long listen. Partout is amazing. There's a little nugget about me in coach monse that few people know there's also a story in part to about me and mark few and marcy few that i've never told anyone ever but i'll share it with the world on partout podcast the meantime just a reminder. You're like what i do. It'd be like what we do. Download the doug gottlieb show. We had the podcast version of it or listen to it. Live three to six eastern twelve. Three pacific fox sports radio fox for treated dot com the iheartradio app or siriusxm to seventeen in two. Oh three hope you enjoyed it. You will love part two. i'm doug gottlieb. This is all ball.

dan monson kyrie irving gonzaga basketball billy greer idaho football birmingham oregon mark james harden baseball Gonzaga brooklyn nets derek jeeter Mr yankee nba mike peterson leon rice Playwright high school
Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

5:01:00 hr | 1 year ago

Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

"Decade branch to make their lives easier. Okay questions from online. A question from Shia politico governors. You worry that the criticism lobbed at the trump administration could come with retribution that prevents Illinois from getting and other help in the Cova battle. Well I compliment the administration when they do things right when they deliver on their promises and I've been critical when they don't and I think that is the proper way for me to operate. I'm defending and working on behalf of the people of Illinois and each time I have been critical. We've actually received more from the federal government And each time I've been complimentary. It's because they delivered on a promise to us and I was glad of that. Wanted people to know that this is from Jim Hagerty. There's a lot of talk about the president reopening the country. Are you going to be working with the White House as the president claims or do you? WanNa work mostly. With state experts. Well listen to anybody But I won't do is do anything that will jeopardize the safety and health of people here in Illinois and it's my aim always every day to listen to the experts and act upon the best knowledge that's available as you know. This is a novel Corona Virus Reason. It was called a novel. Corona virus never existed before. And so. There's an awful lot that has to be learned. And that means you have to listen to the experts And I'm fearful that That the decisions that are getting made by some or being pushed by some Are Not based on science there based on a desire for them to reopen their business because You know because because we all want to reopen businesses. We all want people to go back to work what we don't want to things we don't want more people to pass away than you know than would And indeed we we want no one to pass away And we we WANNA make sure. We're keeping the infection rate down And finally you know it's important for us to Do you know what's best overall for the future of the State of Illinois and to me right now we're still in a phase because we don't have the testing and tracing in treating that we need The most important thing we can do right now is stay at home. Keep the infection rate down. Make sure that our hospitals don't get overwhelmed and You know and begin to plan for the day when a treatment is available so that we can do all the testing and tracing when the treatment is available. This question is from Kelley power. What has your administration heard about. Hydroxy chloroquine the president has said it should be used as a corona virus cured. Do you think that's good advice? I'm not a doctor. Read a lot about this I'm happy to turn it over to Dr. He gave you have opinions about hydrochloric so there are multiple different treatments that people are trying off label off label means that there's a medicine that's approved for a different cause but is now being tried for covert nineteen patients so there are many. There's antibiotics there are anti-malarials Which are anti parasitic? There are into virus medicines so all different types of medicines are being employed. And then what we use to really figure out if it's the right way forward and how it would go on to get. Fda approval for a specific indication is to have these randomized controlled. Trials randomized control double blinded trials as the governor already described. And so when you get these large-scale trials and then you prove scientifically with Sophis- sufficient power that there is one treatment is either better than placebo or better than an alternate treatment. Then that's how it goes on to move for. Fda approval so again anecdotally. That's where it starts where you get a hear stories that we tried this at work. We try this work than the next step is to take it into trials and so again people In terms of what recommendations are officially put out are usually based not on anecdotes but more so on trials and the results of trials and so. We're looking forward to getting some of those results of some trials that might be going on so that we can spread on If some of these anecdotes actually proved to be factual and work great. This is from Dan Patrol at the Chicago Tribune with multiple projections showing billions of dollars in lost revenue cove. Nineteen and the comptroller's office showing nearly two hundred million dollars in costs. What is your plan to close the gap initiatives budget and one? Will you present a new? Fbi twenty-one plan. We'll be talking about that later. This week It's obviously been very much on our minds and you know While I spend an awful lot of time everyday focus on trying to reduce the infections across the state and and reduce the hospitalizations and need for ventilators. Of course reduce the death rate I have also been Head my budget and economy team Working hard on exactly how big the whole will be from revenue perspective as well as obviously the spending that we've had to do to protect people in the state And then try to project forward. What does this mean for a budget in twenty twenty one And then ultimately we're going to present you know our best ideas and our best Estimates to the legislature Who is finally responsible for passing a budget But we'll be presenting that going forward. I think no one should mistake the fact that this is going to be a very very difficult fiscal financial challenge for the State of Illinois. It's one of the reasons why I think all of us should be communicating with our federal representatives here To work hard to get the the government in Washington. Dc to help all of the states because we really have this problem in common with all the states. You hear governor say this all the time We have big holes in our budgets. As a result of what's happened with cove in one thousand nine? It's nobody's fault. It just is where it is and we're going to have to deal with it this is from. Jim Leach. Wma Wyan it'll be our last question. He would like to pose a question about the Illinois State Fair. Given your concerns about summer events. Do you think the fair should proceed as scheduled? We're going to have to make decisions you know relatively soon because contracts have to be signed and You know I think that was really the point. I was making a few days ago when I talked about summer. Festivals was more just a lot of planning goes into these things and decisions have to be made So Yeah I mean we're going to have to make some decisions you know and and I I have as much fun as anybody does at the State Fairs and I'm hopeful That we could have a both our state fairs the one in do coin and one in Springfield But I am also just going to listen to the experts and make sure that we do the right thing to so that we don't spread this Kobe nineteen and we don't have a spike in you know all the hospitalizations and ultimately in people passing away. Thank you for news. Twenty four seven check out website at heartland newsfeed dot com back in two thousand fifteen when a man loves a woman and Sullivan Helen. Keller's teacher born on this date. As was Sir John gielgud actor Rod Steiger and the Very Funny Comedian Richard. Jenny number eighty eight for the coal. Miner's daughter Loretta Lynn. Frank Serpico the policeman who A big movie done about his life and about his fight against corruption in the New York City Police Department Frank. Serpico eighty four today. Actress Julie Christie is eighty. Today Pete rose a member of the wwe hall of fame. Oh yeah he also played baseball to He seventy nine. The Twelfth Doctor. Who Peter Capacity is sixty to a man? Who's very very funny as an actor three Emmy Awards He's stand up and he did run the Vegas Comedy Club and the MGM Grand before all this mess took place. Brad Garret is sixty a man who started as a teenager sixteen candles and the breakfast club before graduating the more adult roles as the dead zone. Anthony Michael Hall is fifty two An Academy Award for the pianist for Adrian. Brodie who is forty five today leader in the? Wwe Amy Dumas's forty-five Sarah Michelle Gellar. Buffy is forty three today and she received a best supporting actress nominee nomination for little Miss Sunshine. Abigail Breslin also starring in scream queens on Fox. She is twenty four years old today though. Some of the people who celebrate the Fourteenth Day of April is their birthday. If this is your birthday hi we're the four freshmen and we just wanted to say All right my friend. You can't make it to the movies. You can't even go watch baseball except for some places who are having reruns and rebroadcasts in great games but you can hear about baseball as it was treated in the movies. Screen Directors playhouse. The episode of it happens every spring starring Raimo land reprising his one thousand nine hundred forty nine screen role in baseball comedy about a college professor who becomes a star Pitcher for Saint. Louis thanks to his magic hair tonic. That's coming up next. I'm wife talks. Thanks for tuning in on this Tuesday edition of Classic Radio Theater. Right here on your favorite station and the USA radio network and online classic Radio Dot Stream recently discovered afford a beautiful uncertain looted mortgage over doubt without question. The Morgan Silver Dollar is the most collected coin in the United States rare coin market today. The nine thousand nine hundred thousand nine Pittman Act authorized the melting of over three hundred fifty million Morgan silver dollars. We're very excited about this. Because of their high state of preservation and such a great selection dates. You now have the opportunity to build as much as fifty different dates and or mint marks at a price that you can find hard to believe in much less than many dealers charge if they could build the sets at all naked purchased. Twenty certified brilliant uncirculated Morgan Silver Dollars from finest known received. This twenty-first coin for only one dollar today and receive this Morgan Dollar Book for free. Take advantage of this introductory offers and give us a call today. Find Snow once you hold one of these beautiful uncirculated sets of Morgan dollars in your hands. History just comes off all finest today in reserve historic set call finest now at one eight hundred nine thousand nine hundred forty two. That's one eight hundred nine hundred ninety forty two or on the web at finest known DOT COM. This report is sponsored by facebook. Since the beginning of the spread of Kovic Nineteen and social distancing people have turned to facebook to connect with and take action to help their communities to make it as easy as possible for people to support one another. Facebook is launching community. Help a destination for people to help their most impacted by cove in nineteen there. People can request offer help in their community such as delivering groceries elderly neighbors were volunteering to distribute food through local food banks and donate to fundraisers emily. Dalton Smith is the director of social impact product at facebook. We're seeing people are. The most vulnerable are at the front lines of the epidemic using facebook to get help and support with urgent need with community. Help Gore making easier for everyone to be able to offer and request help access community help at facebook dot com slash Kovic support. That's facebook dot com slash coded support. I this is Wayne. Allyn root are you in need of a healthcare program. You're in luck as a member of Liberty healthshare. You're part of a community that comes together to share their medical expenses. You could sign up throughout the year with membership. Starting US early the following month there are no contracts commitments. There is no networks you choose your own doctors and hospitals starting as low as one hundred ninety nine dollars per month libertyhealthshare programs for singles couples and families of any size. I joined on November. My four children members liberty a save me seventy two thousand dollars compared to what I was paying for health insurance over these four years. Liberty healthshare is a non profit. Ministry is not insurance. Your money goes towards helping other members with their eligible medical expenses and in your time need other members. Are there for you. You could feel good knowing you're part of a community of like minded individuals who come together to bear one another's burdens to find out more. Call eight five five fifty liberty eight five five fifty liberty or go to libertyhealthshare dot org slash Wayne root libertyhealthshare dot org slash Wayne Root. And you're listening to Classic Radio Theater on your favorite stations. All this Kobe. Nineteen stop has got a lot of things off schedule including the baseball season so we found a an episode of the screen directors playhouse from seventy years ago today April Fourteenth Nineteen fifty. The audio's not exactly up to our usual standards. But I want you to hear this Raimo land in a baseball comedy adapted from the Nineteen Forty. Nine comedy that that Milan starting And back in nineteen forty nine About a college professor who becomes a star Pitcher for Saint? Louis thanks to a little magic hair tonic. Let's listen shall we? Screen Directors playhouse from seventy years ago today on Classic Radio Theatre Victor. Where later radio I in recorded music? Television proudly presents screen directors playhouse Star Raymond Production. That happens every spring director. Lloyd Bacon the Hollywood screen directors detail April evening. The Motion Picture Baseball Story. It happens every spring starring Ray Milland his original role earning as Simpson In the spring of the hallowed year thirty nine financial interest Bethany spoke a New York hotel room residents were the czars and barons of the great American popcorn. Trust the insidious dog monopoly and the infamous soda. Pop cartel was sales. Were dropping or popcorn hot dogs and SODA POP head to be sold. Ladies and gentlemen is how baseball wasn't that ever since then it's happened every spring our baseball lead monk. Lanigan tell you about base call it? Don't make no sense. For instance take the year. That SAINT LOUIS. Win this series. It's the price this season and I'm supposed to be a catcher. Only with the Saint Louis during the catch pitches as either getting ahead. Halfway Kansas City around starts and I'm so wild I need a ladder this magazine so one morning. I'm out pock talking it over with Jimmy. Don't on the manager. And when this Guy Shows Amos Dolan he's a real serious look on glasses. And he looks as much like a pitcher Margaret. O'brien team walks up the domain and says I am pitcher and Dolan smiles. This Sweet Dolan. Smile and says skram dollar. You need a pitcher. I can win the pennant foil. Monk kindly make this crackpot disappear. Okay Sam we're busy. But I am. Not a crackpot. Donan he says he ain't that crack in pitcher either just the Dahlan. It's a simple mathematical fact. I can win at least thirty games for you. My boy out your name Simpson. No no no I. I mean your first name Vernon Vernon case well Vernon Beta all. I WanNa give them a chance. Maybe he's got something. I have indeed thirteen games. If you can pick one game I know cleaner Fiba. That was the year Dolan started being called Queenie because this guy vein une case Simpson yet. He don't look like a pitcher. He don't throw like a pitcher but he's a pitcher. Thanks call it makes sense. My name is Deborah Greenlee dead and I think I know that Mr Mark Lanigan field. It's also crazy you see. I was engaged Brennan case. Since you're that. Saint Louis won the series. Of course we all knew the Vernon with a fanatic about baseball and especially about the Saint Louis team but we never dreamed it after all. He was a very steady on chemistry instructor with university. In father would never have given him his permission. If you can see how crazy it all is. Father is president of the university in one morning about seven thirty Vernon rushed into the dining room. Why are eating breakfast and said? Good Morning Debbie Yelling Adot Greenleaf. I know this is a very odd hour to call. And what are you so excited about him? Father Ed reminds me. Is there any more mush? Darling I have to talk to your father Dr Greenleaf. I have to go away before you go. Please pass the much. I'm sorry about leaving you but you see I'm going to make enough money for us to be married money. Aren't you satisfied this stuff today? Like any decent young university instructor green. If it's in connection with my university work that I'm going that is if you'll give me leave of absence father I'll back Vernon has invented something. Yes yes I have Debbie. What is it's just? The greatest well is a secret vernon I watched you closed ever since you came to the university every spring burn. And you've acted a little odd if you might say Joe Minder identified because this you're crazy degree me. I'm sure I can justify my own. You give me a chance. I implore you thank you so you'll never read it and Debbie Downer. I love you too and I'm GONNA be sold by the wrist somebody. Please pass the Mush Salbutamol out the door and I'm not sure if anything happened at that because because wall I know is that was the saint. Louis won the series. Everyone seems to be confused. It's only natural because I'm burning case Simpson. Of course. I'm the only one who knows what really happened. The year Saint Louis won the series. We'll take up the story on the afternoon. Preceding my visits the Green Leaf household. I was in my laboratory and performing a very important experiment as was my custom. I tend on the radio this into the baseball reports early in the season. But it doesn't take an expert to pick the Saint Louis Quad the loser but major weakness is the pitching department manager. Jimmy Dillon would give you for one third. I recall the distinct swinging. Zion if Saint Louis Baseball team and I admit my thoughts on the diamond as I bend over a white precipitate forming a flat then. Baseball crashed through the window of my laboratory. I look up just in time this group of children disappearing around the corner and so I turned once again to my experiment. A complete shambles. The ball it smashed through test tubes beakers plastic retards and then remains of my experiment lay in the sink. Complex mixture of Lord knows what I put aside shards of glass and picked up the baseball which was immersed in the chemical filled sink. Looking at it I lost my temper and through the wooden floor and immediately found myself grasping the baseball again. A surprising fact role. Don't like throwing the ball with all my might not touched the floor. I wish to add that. I pride myself. Pitching ability. Faculty develops in his childhood and ornaments. When I was studying so winding up I let fly once again at the floor. After performing several similar experiments I came to the scientific conclusion. The unknown fluid in the sink at imbued the baseball with an amazing property. The baseball was repelled. By would I wish I could adequately describe my feelings at that time? Food from my sink into a buddy a bottle the create the greatest pitcher in baseball history of causing food ran out. Well I didn't think of that. I thought only this if I should cut a small hole in that pitches mit if I should some fluid unresponded if I should hold that spans of the fluid seeps through the hole and covered the surface of a baseball no better on earth could hit that ball because it would rejoin accord dodge so being possessed of an opportunity to play baseball. Make a great deal of money and married Deborah Green Leaf. I asked for and received my leave of absence and travel seventy eight miles to Saint Louis but manager. Jimmy Dolan agreed to give me a practice. Tryout it was doubtful and so I'm afraid the kindly gentleman who was catching for me. Mr Monk Lanigan. The batter stepped up to the plate. Monk called me young fellow. Let's see what's your God. Who is this Guy Mark? Battling all the fancy wants to be a pitcher break is is easy and get it over with. Watch me and then steam one over commerce right. That must've been an optical delusion I tried under the Bat Vitamin Shoppe that one again certainly Lanigan. It happens every spring starring Ray Milan from the screen directors playhouse April Fourteenth Nineteen fifty the news from seventy years ago when Classic Radio Theatre continues. We encourage you to participate in the GIFT CARD. Challenge these days. We all probably know of a local business. That is struggling to adapt to the current realities. Here's a small way that you can help by mounting the gift card challenge if you're able think of your favorite local business and then by a gift card today buy it online or pledged to buy one as soon as you can. Every little bit will help. Restaurants have take out or delivery. Many businesses have online shopping options participate in the Gift Card Challenge today by a Gift Card amount and show your support for our local businesses in this time of need even for yourself to use it a later day or pass it along to someone you know. That's on the frontlines. Doing what they can to keep us all safe. Make the pledge and Buy Gift Card today participate in the Gift Card Challenge. Most tag the business use elected on social media and challenge your friends and neighbors to do the same working together one card at a time. We can all make a difference. Hashtag Gift Card Challenge Learn more at Gift Card Challenge Dot Org. This has brought Joe marks a few days ago. I was talking with a director of civil defense and you told me some things that I feel. Everyone should know. That's why I'm speaking to you now. Did you know for example that your chances of surviving an atom bomb attack are excellent? It's true but there's a big if you must do everything possible now to help yourself and your family. Nobody else will help you. Listen because this is important. Kepa complete fights aid kit handy. Keep a close container of drinking water in your refrigerator enough for three days. We show you a good fire extinguisher. Take a look around your house right now and pick out the safe spot away from windows and doors make sure that every member of your family understands he has to rush to that same spot when there's danger convinced that these precautions are necessary right now and. I hope I can convince you. They're important he of Family. Yourself and your community. You're listening to Classic Radio Theater on a Tuesday. Thanks for making us part of your day. We're listening to an episode of the screen directors playhouse. It happens every spring starring. Raimo land as it was originally broadcast on Friday April Fourteenth Nineteen fifty in the newspapers of that property seventy years ago these were some of the headlines. Russians admitted yesterday and missing. Us Navy plane was the one they fired on. Saturday announced the award of the order of the Red Banner. Before crack airman for excellent fulfillment of their service. Duty it was believed that the Soviet airmen were those who attacked the Navy plane which disappeared Saturday on a flight from Baden Germany to Copenhagen. Federal judge ruled yesterday. The government was responsible for the Texas City Texas disaster three years ago and therefore was liable for two hundred million dollars in damages shop. The sought by the victims the ruling handed down in a test case agreed to by the Government Council and Attorneys for the two hundred seventy three persons and firms who sued the government. However the government is expected to appeal. Billy blanks bright but moody white down his family in the murderous frenzy. Yesterday even the dog he killed himself at the end of the rampage. Investigators in Huntington West Virginia could find no motive for his butchery role citizen. Gerry Davis took a Hollywood denture his bride yesterday before an audience of about five hundred persons at the Open Air City Hall Plaza in Ellsworth. Maine the twenty eight year. Old Baby was who renounced his citizenship to become a citizen of the world. Two years ago and slender dark-haired Audrey Peters twenty-one exchanged vows in their public and as an expression of their ideals of love and brotherhood of men of Nations President Truman fired a broadside yesterday at Republican Senator McCarthy by raising appointed question whether it's possible to liable the Wisconsin legislator Truman's barbed comments made at his news conference when a reporter asked him about a statement by Senator Tap. Republican of Ohio tapped accused Truman of libelling McCarthy by saying McCarthy was the Kremlin's biggest asset in the US did. The president thinks he had liable. Mccarthy in newsman asked Truman snapped and quoting. You think that's possible. And to the troubles of the census takers. Mrs Neil are short a dallas. Texas census taker called every night for a week at a certain house. Finally she found the occupant at home. Mrs Hazel e Hansen. Another census taker though some of the day's top news stories is reported in the newspapers of Friday April Fourteenth. Nineteen fifty on your radio. The screen directors playhouse. It happens every spring which continues now on Classic Radio Theater with some samples of pitching by Raimo. Land that one again. Certainly Mr Lanigan I gotta get glass. You better get something. Meanwhile you'll at the same thing Vanowen come here. That Guy Kidding Jimmy. Sure I'm standing here race. Johnny throws the school by the same us. Mel Alcohol on my breath end-run but you saw that ball do what I did. Then you're drunk. He hasn't missed Dolon. I can throw a ball like that every time young vela either everybody here but you is crazy or you're crazier than all the rest of us put together. I don't know but anyhow you got a job Vernon K SIMPSON BY VIRTUE OF CHEMISTRY. Who came kings pitching giant of the Saint Louis and so it was like turn my back up in the halls of learning simply because I discovered the secret of making a baseball goal. You are listening to the screen. Directors playhouse production of. It happens every spring starring. Raymond Land and presented by the victim from seventy years ago today April Fourteenth. Nineteen fifty the screen directors playhouse. I'm Wyatt Cocks. Thanks for joining us on this Tuesday edition of Classic Radio Theater on your favorite station balance of nature changing the world. One Life at a time when you hear all this stuff on the radio you know. You're like yeah right so when I heard the balance of nature commercial I was like yeah right you know. Can those pills gives you more energy but the amazing thing is it? Does it works all the claims of balance of nature work. I mean I have more energy before. I started taking bouts of nature. I would walk up the hill from feeding the horses and I just be dragging and I'm like I hate feeling this way. I've got years more to live. I don't WanNa feel tired all the time and now I have plenty of Energy. I used to have to always say okay. I'm going to take a nap at two o'clock 'cause I'm so tired I can't stand it you know. And now we're taking a NAP and weeks experienced the balance of nature. Difference for yourself right now. Balance of nature is offering free shipping and thirty five percent off on any new preferred order. Call eight hundred two four six eight seven five one or go to balance of nature dot com and use discount code. Usa when thinking about life insurance my accident. Reinforce you never know what tomorrow might bring. That's why reached out to accu quote unquote health. People find a life insurance policy that meets their needs since one thousand nine hundred six. They've helped millions of folks save up to sixty percent on their life insurance by comparing the rates and features of dozens of top rated life insurance products. A healthy fifty year. Old nonsmoker can buy a half a million dollars ten year level term for less than forty five bucks a month a sixty year old under one hundred twenty bucks a month longer or permanent terms are available. Even if you already own life insurance you really need to check out my friends in accu quote. Don't worry about health issues remember. They helped me as a pastor. I'm concerned about your soul and helping you to make sure your family is taking care of life. Insurance is more affordable now than ever. So don't make them wish you'd made that call eight seven seven four three seven four seven eight one call now. Eight seven seven four three seven four seven eight one eight seven seven four three seven four seven eight one ability. Hi I'm Wayne. Allyn root I want all of Yudhijit real real real water that is I live and die with my real water. It's the only stable negative ion alkaline water in America. I drink it everywhere I go and it tastes great to real water. Is Up there game again? Now with the real water concentrate you can get real water anytime anywhere on the go just a few Schwartz in the real world concentrate and you can transform any good purified water. It's a real water. Basically the cut straight edge trillions of extra electrons turning your water into an alcoholic election abundant powerhouse. And here's the additional benefit. You could put real water cut straight in your coffee tea or juice at can even improve cheap wine. I challenge you to give the taste test. You'll be amazed. Here's the deal. Since you're one of my listeners. You get a free bottle of the real water concentrate. Free One hundred percent free will you have to do? Is Pit Small Shipping and handling fee? Call seven zero two three one twelve seventeen. Tell them more since you and get your free bottle. Seven zero two three one. Twelve seventeen CODA team can't real DACA on our Wednesday edition of Classic Radio Theater. We have out West for an episode report. Learn starring Raymond Burr from sixty four years ago April Fifteenth Nineteen fifty-six but right now the conclusion of the screen directors playhouse April Fourteenth Nineteen Fifty Roemeling starring in an adaptation of. It happens every spring back to the screen. Directors playhouse production of happens every spring starring Raymond and his original role of Vernon Kay Simpson with Eddie Garcia as monk. Those of you. Who can't do so check my record with the Saint Louis Baseball Club during the which I speak. I'm known the guidebooks of course Kings Simpson. Suffice it to say that the Saint Louis won the pennant and went into the series mysterious liquid accidentally concocted. The my laboratory had done its work. Well but if the truth be known. I wasn't happy by mine. Lingered longman lovingly over the Blandin coaches Debbie Greenleaf and was while I pursued these thoughts in my hotel room. One day that monk lanigan ended. I ask what's the matter with me? Oh nothing lonesome. I guess I can fix that vinyl tile family now monk. You don't have to do that. Yeah Nice Rumbling. Once this bottle and addressing monk don't touch that that's what I use on the ball. I mean that's what I use my head. It's at UNAC- at tonic. Show who's the Dolon is. She's a young lady to whom I'm engaged. It's funny and other Brunner Mound. I couldn't do that. She does know and upon doesn't know my don't they know about kings Sims and they don't know he's Mir. Im Him His aid now. Her father agreed he wouldn't have let me go in you. What I was doing let you go way the habit. I'm sorry I can't explain but you're my friend and I've got to see Debbie again. She doesn't live far from Saint Louis. Well I'm not pitching tomorrow and I want you to cover up for me if I run up to see some Arza Face Gaming Sammy. What's the difference Jimmy? Dolan says. I'm supposed to rest my arm so I'll be able to pitch the final game and besides pitch better than if I talk to Debbie on now leased? Okay I tell you what you do. You'll go up there but leave me the phone number says I can get in holly in case. Don't want you okay okay. Train arrived shortly after midnight. Since my time was limited. I resolved to go directly to the win. Leave home stealing the backyard. I still directly beneath thought to be Debbie Window and threw a few pebbles attention. Darling Darling come to the window. Darling is burning. I love you wonder what I thought. It was Debbie Zane. I don't WanNa wake anybody out a lunatic but I can't tell you darling around the world that you've been all these months. Why haven't I heard you you've got to trust? The experiment is a success. And so by we'll be able to be married dialing win after the end of the season. Season the duck season into success. Father we can afford to get married now has walked Simpson. After the way. You've deluded us. It's a good thing you don't expect your old job. Dr Green if I do I'll have to have it back on. The bottle is empty. Each taken to drink sweet limits words if a gym with like you is making money attempt illegal. We'll look at the facts runs all this curiously incomes calling back mysteriously talking about is money. Man's criminal you've been is base other criminal expert hat on what you're doing that. I'm sure it's nothing wrong. I'm afraid your father wouldn't approve them even believe me. It's perfectly legal. You thank you must be. Maybe you should have heard the voice on. Who's calling him? I'll bet they ending another grime right now. How did that's the craziest thing I ever heard? I'm going to find out for myself. Then that's eavesdropping shoes. Come on what about how things go today. That's fine how it's murder and boy will stop at nothing. I'll it's too bad elements but I guess he's getting older steel anyway. All right monk I guess an extra bag. Expect me to start mowing down for a few days. But if he's wearing yes everything's fine here. No nobody suspects me yet right goodbye. We know you now but what you thanks to making an awful mistake. I won't ask the bleeds under this house. Only immediately sink back into the slump of your criminal. Oh My oh my goodness I still love you. Take me with you. Gon Na good by Debbie dotting the barn. Come on with way with the ballpark. I can't monk all the music has gone out of my life. I was loved. You Ain't no Piccolo player alleged and you've been sucking hotel room all through the series. No job to go back to brandon a common criminal lava paid. Will you get a move on? Dolan's gotta today. What would the series tied up three? And all we got to win this one they will whereas the Butler was on my dresser. Doing your hand tonic. No fluid Oh yes. Yes the hair tonic. On a bond that about going. But you know you couldn't on what's that once you ain't plan but also David don't understand that battle. I won't be able to throw a single strike harder. Speech me why you need it because it's a lucky charm. I'm superstitious rabbits vaping. Alex does but hats on. I've got I'm ruined. I'll tell you what Saddam lane you'll get down to the ball balking. I'll scare up that bellboy. He'll give me the bottle back bodily. You will win. This is okay. In fact you've got to get that bottle added Green Green Down here at the top. Saint Louis leads or the three Waking Pitching Day. Lead is going to last very long. Look here's Simpson. Yes Mr I don't know what's today but if it weren't for some wonderful feeling we'd be behind in this ball games that are maybe you. WanNa take me out sir. I'm going to take a chance on it's your Ballgame Simpson a win or lose a lot of guys are counting on you. That's all I'll go out there and hope Mr Lanigan. It's very nice of you. Got Monk Choice Evidence Kid Asia lead. Thanks mark I don't worry Mister Donut and we're GONNA win this Ball Game Ladies and gentlemen. I've never seen anything like we are in the top of the night and King Simpson is awful. I the and the by a miracle. He suddenly got his own fire back right now. There are counter. Three and bench Ballgame Wins and ladies and Gentlemen Kings Simpson the winning pitcher just killed over and what seems to be there what happened. Just thank you. WanNa beautiful cities I did. I not get easy rest here. I must've fallen on it. It's pretty swollen back things broken. It took x Ray Ambi bringing a mine out when you value your luck to how you broke your battle and tonic gentleman that you got the pitcher. I am afraid. I have some very bad news. Volume as the Samson. You'll suffer the linear fracture extending into the -joyed. I'm very much afraid you'll never be able to pitch professional ball again. It's all right monk. That bottle broke. My pitching career was ended. Anyway that's truly superstation. That don't mean nothing. There wasn't no hair tonic. Bible you see monk say run. I finally found that bell beat all that he was filled with water. You mean you mean no chemical. I'm really pitcher. After all I really stuck was bettas out. I did in my leave. Debbie dialing you a magnificent but what I love. You was so upset about jail narrow man. I figured that can help so last night. I found the same number. You gimme when you went business that and they know everything you liked utilities you were King Simpson always knew you will find young man literally lies. You're just because you're a little crazy to the university. Well that's soon as right away if you're having good player on the now a little screwy. Maybe I ain't GonNa Kiss your wonderful rain all our children catches and 'em bitch is given. I mean baseball. Don't make sense Just heard the last act of it happens. Every Spring and star Raimo land with our guests green direct. They can be with us just a moment here again. Is Tonight Star Ray? Milan don't be surprised from now on if you get a few phone calls from the dodgers every spring. I won't be much how Jimmy I haven't any of that. Magic had tonic besides and spring my fans to other things beside baseball on a lively. Turn to thoughts of love for example. No not lately Jimmy. I'm very happily married. Man a married man enjoys a little romance with his wife. That is so off. Light sweet music sweet music but definitely more than ever can be enjoyed right at home these days. Thanks to the is he a victim. Forty five I know what you mean. I mean like dancing. Those fifteen big name bands as victim recorded on forty five exactly gentlemen ever present loved the motion picture. The director loved it happens. Every spring on this film lavish the elaborate affection that strings from the heart of a man. Who is absolutely Debbie Baseball now? I'd like you to meet him. Frustrated First Baseman. It's great. It's wonderful films as you were meant for me as a freshman and Miss Grant Takes Richmond director. Lloyd Bacon thank you. I'm not really that. The baseball fanatic. Well Lloyd you know how people talk. I wanted to direct. It happens every spring because I just like baseball. Nothing wrong with that is that of course. That doesn't make me fanatic. Necessarily not only. Do you like baseball as a matter of fact I do good. You've got to go over to my place owned by Baseball's I've got thousands of as I understand. Lloyd you're just a guy who puts his heart into the game and fortunately for us actors you direct your pictures the same way so long if you'll have me in another film. I'll do better than visit. You Ngo Baseball's you will. I'll bring my bat goodnight. Lloyd can I ask you remember next Friday Dane Line? I guess from the DOT director Dave brought to you by RCA. Victor where leader in radio. I in music. I and Television was a nineteen forty nine motion picture adapted for radio as screen directors playhouse presenting. It happens every spring April fourteenth nineteen fifty here on Classic Radio Theatre. Hope you'll visit our web page. Classic Radio Dot Stream there you can. Stream are programs on demand. Learn more about classic radio collecting and contact me. If you miss a day you don't have to miss a show. Classic Radio Dot Stream or you can find our programs anywhere on the Internet podcasts or served just search for U S A classic Radio Theatre. Most importantly during these trying times support free radio by supporting the advertisers. Who put the messages on here at you paid for the radio station and please thank this radio station without them? We wouldn't be here. I'm Wyatt talks. Tell your friends. A great radio shows are back classic. Radio Theatre here on your favorite station and the USA radio network. It's America's most political podcast. The rage change all arguing all the time. Susan just publicly embarrassed Jim in our debate paint on the economy next geothermal heating and cooling. Jim It can save the planet. Save money and it's consistently comfortable. Isn't this just another scam by the powerful elites can't believe it but I agree with Jim? Geothermal is better than fossil fuels. In every way guess agree that makes me angry up next healthcare geothermal energy. We can all agree on Muslim family. They never graduated high school. So we're trying to break that barrier. My daughter Brooklyn was also motivation for me to go back to school every day after work went straight to school and it paid off at age. Twenty six Kareem finished his high school diploma. I could not have done it alone. I see the future's really bright for me. No one gets a diploma alone. If you're thinking of finishing your high school diploma you have help find free adult education classes near you at finish your diploma dot. Org brought to you by the dollar General Literacy Foundation and the Ad Council. So I'm a cat and I just moved in with this new human. And she's got this little toy she's always playing with all day long tap tap tap tap bloop bloop can't put it down there. It is Oh and get this. She even talks to it last week. She has to for Chinese and guess what eggrolls showed up like magic. Humans have cool toys. A person is the best thing to happen to a shelter pet. Be that person adopt brought to you by the Ad Council and the shelterpetproject Dot Org. What if I told you that a tornado was going to happen tomorrow? Right where you live. It would touchdown at exactly three seventeen PM. I told you the exact path it would take. You would of course prepare. You would talk with your loved ones and you'd make a plan today. It's true I can't tell you. A Tornado will strike tomorrow but shouldn't have a plan. Anyway go to ready dot gov slash communicate and make your emergency plan today. Don't wait communicate brought to you by FEMA and the Ad Council attention. Do you owe ten thousand dollars or more in tax debt. Millions of Americans like you owe the IRS. More than ten thousand dollars interfacing Leans Bank levies wage garnishments penalty abatements and other. Irs enforcement actions newly authorized debt forgiveness programs. Allow you to settle your debts for less than ever before you may qualify to pay a fraction of what you owe you owe the irs. Ten thousand dollars or more in back taxes if so then call now at eight hundred eight three zero nine one one zero eight hundred eight three zero nine one one zero. That's eight hundred eight three zero nine one one zero here everyday actions to help prevent the spread of the corona virus. Wash your hands. Avoid touching your eyes nose and mouth cover your cough or sneeze avoid close contact with people who are sack clean and disinfect frequently touched objects and remember. You're safer at home for more information visit. Cdc Dot Gov Slash Cove in nineteen. This message brought to you by live. Three sixty five and this station mortgage rates have dropped twenty five percent the lowest mortgage rates in years. So maybe you should drop everything and Call Zoom Refi refinancing your home now and slash your mortgage payments take cash out and save. Maybe hundreds of dollars every month zoom refi mortgage rates are super low zoom refi. Closing costs are super low zoom. We approve you right over the phone even for no income. Check loans big drop in mortgage rates big opportunity for you to save money call. Zoom Refi today. Eight eight eight nine one three eighteen twenty five eight eight eight nine one. Three Eighteen twenty-five save on mortgage payments. Save on closing costs call. Zoom Refi Eight. Eight eight nine one. Three Eighteen twenty-five advertising marketing entities Zoom Refi Zoom revised. Not a banker financial company calls. Another inquiries may be forwarded to third party lenders solely responsible for reviewing approving and servicing Hilo Zoom revise not affiliated with any state or Federal Agency and does not provide mortgage adviser help no income check loans for investment properties. Only and income must be sufficient to service. You're listening to the heartland newsfeed radio network broadcasting live twenty percents newsbeat. This stream is supported by advertisers and contributions by follow us on facebook twitter and Instagram's you service daily newscasts from April fourteenth twenty twenty. I'm Mike Clifford. Cnn size it up this way. A grievance fueled appearance to the White House that featured a propaganda video. President Trump's was produced by his aides. The appearance only affirm the impression that some of trump's chief concerns amid the global public health disaster or how? His performance is viewed in the media. And whether it's being fairly judged CNN notes after the video aired trump grew increasingly irate as reporters probed the timeline of his responses claiming criticism was not fair that he handled the outbreak effectively. Everything we did was right. Trump set according to the CNN. Press later about his authority to reopen parts of the country trump delivered an eyebrow raising statement asserting absolute control of the country when somebody is president of the United States. Trump said. Your Authority is total. The issue of child care is at the forefront of the cove in nineteen pandemic that AC- such a workers continue to search for options following schools and childcare closures. Many hospitals have even stepped in to help their employees. Find Child Care Tara. Pruitt is a registered nurse who works at a hospital in Rockingham. County husband also is an essential worker. Her daughter's child care center is a short drive from her employer but it has shut its doors. Pruitt says individual providers at the center have offered to watch her child in their homes and members of her church have also offered to help one of the behind the scenes jobs. That people aren't thankful enough for. I don't believe until you're if you're put into a position where you might not have them. That State Department of Health and Human Services has said it will temporarily pay bonuses to fulltime employees that provide care for children of essential workers who have no other save options. I'm Nadia Ramlan. And as households are trying to stock up on shelf stable foods a Greenpeace investigation fives potential links between a major brand of tuna modern slavery and illegal fishing practices in January Fong Chung Formosa or FCF. One of the world's top tuna traitors acquired the largest canned seafood company in North America. According to Andy Hsien with the greenpace global tuna campaign. Fcf has failed to address systemic issues in its supply chain including forced labor and illegal fishing that has closely too many problematic fishing companies therefore is incredibly high risk of tainted entry into our markets in our homes through moby tuna. Bumblebees SEAFOOD SAYS Third Party. Auditors Monitor it suppliers facilities for Labor violations and it remains committed to expanding social accountability to fishing vessels. I'm Andrea Sears. Reporting this is pianist as Iowa and other states braced for more flooding this spring along the Upper Mississippi River a new report highlights the continued threat facing the waterway more from our Mike. Mohan each spring the environmental group American rivers releases its endangered rivers report and this year the Upper Mississippi the list the report cites the effects of climate change and inadequate flood. Plain management is key factors driving ongoing flooding problems for the river. Nate Young of the Iowa Flood Center says there needs to be a stronger commitment from policy makers to invest in strategies to mitigate the cycle of rising water levels we invest a lot of money and responding to floods and and not enough and trying to get out in front of the mitigate the risk Before the happens there was record flooding along the Upper Mississippi last year earlier this year government forecasters had predicted major flooding for certain sections of the river. While some of the projections for the spring have been dialed back. Advocates say the annual threat won't go away without comprehensive action. The report says vulnerable communities to have a voice in the decision making process when the country recovers from the economic toll caused by the pandemic major infrastructure. Upgrades will be needed. That will modernize flood protection along the river and also put people back to work. Nebraska's overcrowded presents could be putting their incarcerated residents at a greater risk of an outbreak of cove in nineteen a coalition of legal groups. Want the state to share. Its plans for keeping people serving time prison workers and their families Safe Adam simple with the ACLU of Nebraska says many prisons are operating at two hundred percent of capacity and one facility has three times as many people as it was designed to house in some facilities more than fifty people are confined in spaces designed for sixteen. But we're getting reports that four inmates are being housed in a seven foot by fifteen foot. With two sets of bunks and four lockers and at the cell is so crowded that only one person can move at a time. Three juveniles at a facility in Kearney have covert nineteen along with six. Staffers Simple says the number of adult cases is unknown because of lack of testing the Nebraska Department of Correctional Services says it's following CDC guidelines on hygiene and governor. Pete Ricketts has argued that releasing inmates early could pose a public safety risk. I'm Eric Glass. Us District Court Rascasse set to meet today by phone for a status hearing on an emergency motion filed last week requested. The court require the state's corrections agency to provide a plan for prevention management and treatment of cove in nineteen again a reminder that six feet of separation is saving lives. I'm Mike Clifford for public news service. We are member illicit supported and online at public news service DOT. Org The USA radio network presents the greatest radio programs of all time The story you're about to hear is true. Only the names have been changed to protect the innocent dragnet. This is Radio Theater Guy. I was a communist Yang. Light so everybody. Now here's your host Wyatt Cocks going to bring you an episode of the Whistler April Fourteenth nineteen forty eight till death do us part but I the program was preceded by a message from President Truman. Let's listen gentlemen tonight. The whistler will be heard after the following special broadcasts. We are speaking to you from the White House in Washington in a moment the president of the United States will give you a brief address on the eve of the United States security. Loan Drive Ladies and gentlemen the President my fellow Americans. I'm speaking to you tonight about something. That's each of us as individuals can do to contribute to the winning of the piece that is the purchase of the United States Savings Bonds. Any workable program for world peace must depend on a sound strong and expanding American economy when we buy savings bonds. We contribute directly to the strength of our economy upon which so much depends by investing in savings bonds. We're fighting inflation. Which is still our greatest economic danger at the same time. We are building towards the economic security of ourselves and our families at such a time as this all of us can serve both ourselves our country by saving all we can against the day when we can spend our dollars to better advantage our economic system which has given us the greatest productive power and the highest standard of living in the world is based upon individual enterprise industry an threat. We need these qualities at all times in order to prosper under present conditions. We need them more than ever before. Tomorrow April of Fifteen. The Nation launches its security alone campaign as your president. I ask each of you to back the security loan to the limit by buying extra savings bonds my signing up payroll savings plans where you work are bar the bond a month plan where you beg and by volunteering to help sell bombs to others. This is the most important campaign for the United States savings bonds. We have had since nineteen forty Fi. It calls for everything we can put into it. It calls for volunteer work in every community freely and patriotically given it acquires enough volunteers to talk to every American where he works are where he lived. The experience of all the war loan drives has proved that if Americans who can buy bonds are asked personally to buy them and told the personal and national reasons for buying them. The goal will be reached last Thursday. The city of Sandusky and Airy County Ohio begana weeks campaign to settle their share of the security loan bonds in advance of the national campaign. Sandusky and Erie County. Wanted to be the first in the nation to do the job and show the country. How well it can be done. If everybody pitches in volunteers set out to visit every factory office farm and home in Erie County. The newspapers and radio stations and ever since it fraternal veterans women's and Farm Organization. Back them up. I am happy to be able to tell you that. Sandusky and Eric County oversubscribed. They're going by twenty five percent in one week. What Sandusky and Erie County done in one week every community and county of the United in the United States can do beginning tomorrow. How well you do the job in your community will depend upon the number and the spirit of the volunteers who tackle it. This is a call to the minute men and women to rally again to build up the defences of our national economy for as the slogan of security alone puts it. America's security is your security this campaign presents to us a responsibility and an opportunity every dollar that a family puts into savings bonds. Now we'll be dollar building for the family security. It'll be a dollar fighting against inflation and high prices. It will be a dollar working to win the peace. You have just heard the president of the United States Harry S Truman. Speaking in connection with the United States security loan drive which opens tomorrow. The president spoke from the White House in Washington this is CBS the Columbia Broadcasting System Knx am and FM Los Angeles again ex reminder veteran. Can you make the grade? The grade you held on discharged from the service. The army has openings up to tech sergeant just for you. Have you still got what it takes? Come on down your army recruiting office and see about enlisting in your old grade tomorrow the signal oil program the whistler that with its your signal for the signal oil program the Whistler I am the whistler and I know many things for I walk by night. I know many strange tales hidden in the hearts of men and women who have stepped into the shadow. I know the nameless terrors of which they dare not speak yes friends. It's time for the signal oil program. The whistler rated tops in popularity for a longer period of time than any other west coast program in Radio History and signal gasoline is tops to and all the whistler strange story til debt do us part remain. Norman Gray was not an enterprising young man who usually war friendly smile only last night. The sale of six original German manuscript to the wealthy Richard Harris had brought him fifty thousand dollars enough to make anyone smile. But now the smile was gone and Norman. Grayson wasn't at all pleased with the way things are going as he alighted from the cable car and walked along deficit Darrow street toward the sumptuous funeral parlors of Carter and up a thousand confused thoughts raced through. Grayson's mind thoughts that went back to last night at the Morris home in the heights. We're MARRIS's young and attractive. Wife had received them in the study. I hope you'll forgive me for asking you to come all the way out here at this late hour miss degrees. There's nothing to forgive. I was glad to come only because of Richard. He's in his heart so I understand but he'll be up and around very soon. Richard like that bounces right back. And then you get Mr Grace. And that's all he's been talking about the past few days he's determined. Add them to its collection. I I do hope the price will be right. Thirty five thousand Mrs Morris Let's see I shouldn't say this Mr Grayson I. I don't suppose it's good business. What's that this is not dirty? Five thousand it's really a bargain. You think so. I know so. I know manuscripts to Mr Grayson. I've worked with them for some time the Winston Galleries. I was there for five years. That's why I met Richard. You didn't know that. No no I had no idea Mrs Mars. Sometimes I think that's why Richard asked me to marry him. Just have someone around to help with this collection. Oh that must be Dr Reed. Come in come in doctor who bud. I believe I left my overcoat. And here's how Richard Slight improvement. I'd sabe still a British doctor. This is Mr Grayson doctorate. Doctor how are you Mr Grayson doctor about Richard? Is there anything no if he becomes restless late in the evening and constantly? Yes the prescription. Same dose as usual lifeboat. That's right call me in the morning. Good Night Mrs Motors. Good night with nightmares. Degrading my doctor. He's a dear really worries about Richard. As much as I do well Mr Grayson. Shall we go on up and have a chat with Richard Richard Yes dotting. Myth degrees news. Here Grigson the gentleman with the manuscript the German manuscripts feel connection his. Yes Mr Gates and I talked at all over. He's GonNa tell them to you doubting. Aren't you listening to me? Mrs Norris passive better not no. It's quite alright Mr Grayson. He Eh. Let me help you set up. We'll for a sign that it's all made out everything except the signature. Rijn that that's good boy. Now is the pant. That's right there. That's fine Richard. Now I'll give the check Mr Grayson. Thank you and the manuscript there all your life. Isn't that wonderful of Justice Class? It would have cost data talk. And here's something to make you sleep doctor's orders now. I'll be back in looking on you move. You didn't know quite what to make of it. Did you know you are puzzled about Mrs Marris? And the way she rushed the sale. And then the check that puzzle even more downstairs as you walked towards the front entrance with Mrs Morris Mrs Morris. The price I gave you on a manuscript was thirty. Five thousand but this check is for fifty thousand. Yeah that was the sound. My husband intended to pay I. We feel it's no more than right. We still consider it a bogging. Thank you Mrs Morris. Gosh I won't refuse again. You must have around to see a soon. Perhaps we can have dinner when Richards up around again flying to New York at the end of the week and I had hoped we could see more of each other. We we have so much to talk about I. I'm not leaving until Friday dinner tomorrow night. Then sounds wonderful. We'll have cocktails of six. I couldn't think of a better time. Have you Grayson No I'm Jen tomorrow evening then tomorrow evening. It is Janet when you left them on at home. You weren't it. All Business in New York was important enough to drag you away by Friday. You could put that off for a while yet. As long as there was someone as attractive. And it's interesting as Janet Morris in San Francisco. No business in New York could wait early. The next morning you cash the fifty thousand dollar check then spent the rest of the day roaming town later that afternoon when you return to your hotel. Rayson someone's been calling you all afternoon. Wouldn't leave a message a young lady. No Message Nossa his rookie. Sir thanks a by Mr Grace new. Seen the papers I suppose papers yes the gentleman you were asking me about several weeks ago tomorrow. What about him? You didn't know he died this morning. Hot Day was all there in the evening paper. Richard J Morris Prominent Bay area businessman art collector. Dan You hurry it up to your room and began to pack and the phone rang off. Oh yes yeah I just the papers? I'm terribly sorry Janet. Is there anything I can do? If I'd like to pay Norman few things. We should discuss about the manuscript. What what is that talk about? Janet? Do you know all right. I'll come right here at the house. That wouldn't be right. Suppose you meet me and say two hours from now. I'll be at the funeral parlor making arrangements for Richard. It's undefeated era. Your aunt I live. I'll be there God. I wouldn't want to do anything foolish. Like leaving town in a hurry with the prologue of till death do us pot? The Signal Oil Company is bringing you another strange story by the Whistler April Fourteenth nineteen forty eight the whistler till death do us part on Classic Radio Theatre Balance of nature changing the world one life at a time thank goodness for the balance of nature. It just keeps me strong and healthy and I don't have any aches and pains. I take it so many supplements in all the different things they promise. And I'm like I don't feel anything. I don't feel anything you know. Vitamins PROTEIN POWDERS WAY proteins. All this stuff. That says it's going to do what it's GonNa do. But the balance of nature exceeded my expectations. I cannot believe how it has affected everything so I am completely grateful for. Don't wait to see what getting over ten servings of whole fruits and vegetables every day can do for you right now. Balance of nature is offering free shipping and thirty five percent off any new preferred order of fruits and veggies. Start Your journey to better health today by calling one eight hundred two four six eight seven five one or by going to balance of Nature Dot Com and make sure to receive this special radio offer by using Discount Code. Usa maybe you can relate to this. A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK. They're stuck with their health plan. It costs too much or for whatever reason they just don't like it the great news. You're not stuck with it. There is a choice. It's called net a share and you could save so much. The typical savings for family is five. Hundred Bucks a month major difference maker. This is the affordable alternative to health insurance. And just give you a little more info about medishare. It's a Christian healthcare sharing ministry. It's worked beautifully for twenty. Six years has more than four hundred thousand members and they've shared over three billion dollars of each other's medical bills so yes they can help. Share your needs to so you're not stuck. There's an excellent alternative whether you're single or married you've got a family. Meta share a super flexible. You can choose an option that works for you and start saving lots of money. You can join anytime. They're great to talk to no pressure. Call eight three three thirty four Bible. That's eight three three thirty four Bible eight three three thirty four Bible. Hi I'm Wayne. Allyn Root Mr Healthcare. Millions of fans healthy live a long life so we could save America. American exceptionalism ED capitalism. So are you in front of America? Did you know that nine hundred seventy three Harvard doctor discovered the greatest single risk factor? Indicator for heart. Disease is a crease in water. Both your Lopes Strauss art drops so more than one million bottles over the past forty years helping countless people with cholesterol diabetes and Java and blocked or restricted blood flow the best proven indicator of clogged. Arteries is the year low crease. Nature side of trouble with black build up. Do you have a recent one or both your lopes heart attack stroke or number one killers. Women out. Suffer fifty-one percent artifacts Strauss heart. Trump's don't interfere with any prescription drugs. Strauss doctoral guarantees your satisfaction. You can't go wrong. It's the painless natural economical way to clear. Arteries vessels veins and capillaries against who has decrease in both ears yours. Truly I guess. He's now taking Strauss trapped. Wayne Allyn root. Puerto straps are drops at the power dot com. That's the power mole dot com the our more dot Com Classic Radio Theater on your favorite station to Whistler April Fourteenth. Nineteen forty eight till death do was part They'd been profitable business deal. Hadn't it non selling the six original German manuscript to Richard Morris but less than eighteen hours after he signed a check for fifty thousand dollars? Richard Morris is dead of a heart attack and now his widow. The young attractive Janet Morris. Solomon Judah and of all places at a funeral home when you reach the funeral home. A slender solemn faced young man lead you down. A Long. Thickly carpeted corridor to our building into a private waiting room the door closes softly behind you and your alone with Janet. I have sorry Janet Awful. I just can't believe it Povich and to think I think I let you swindle that a fifty thousand dollars look Janet as don't bother to deny it. Manuscripts have forgeries. I know you knew it all the time. Did he not at first he wanted me to take into. Mansfield for praising Mansfield Fred Mansfield. Yes but I talked Richard. Out of it. He had a lot of respect for my judgment. I see so no one knows about this. But and the man responsible for the manuscripts. They're quite good vigors work. Isn't it understand? He's back in this country I told you yesterday. I Knew Manuscript had to be Ziegler Clyde by the way where is client these days in a Berlin cemetery? He made a mistake. A bad one. He would wish they'd stop that music. I don't like it Janet. Yes what what are we going to do about the manuscripts? I could turn over the place but be such a bother after what's happened. I just wanted to get away some way so if you the manuscript that is a selling back to you norman. Fifty Thousand Bucks yes. You wouldn't consider the original price thirty five. No no Richard wouldn't like that. I'm afraid to insist on fifty thousand you in the mock nomin allowed to think it over all right. Janet and I can't figure you I mean about the money Mara must have left you a fortune. Why should you worry about fifty grand thousands very important if he there's a catch to the fortunate it's tied up and trust to get on the eight hundred a month? Oh that's awfully tough isn't it? Is when one is used the things I am. Richard planned that way. My own good you know. Wasn't that thought philosophy when I came along and so your chance to grab off a little pin money money that he'd never know your head that's why you up the ante from thirty five to fifty grand on that check thoughtful of me coming back to baby smart very smart now. I mean people will be arriving soon. I'm afraid I can't talk to you anymore. I'll give you two tomorrow night. Thank it over. It's nice to have you on behalf and normally yeah. Don't forget to bring the money. I'll tell you a string around my finger in command command. Sorry I took so long is taking a nap. The servants are all gone there at the funeral. Touching very touching. Why don't you go into the study? I want to freshen up a bit takes you soft drink. Thanks popular prices. Of course almond. You're bitter let's just say I got up on the wrong side of the world this morning. I'm so sorry okay okay. I'm so glad that I go in and fix a drink before the prices chain. I will be more than ten minutes now. Naked South at home. You stand in the hallway listening to China's footsteps overhead then. A dog closes silently. You snip up the stairs. Ask Janet Room with the end of the Carter if only you can get your hands on the manuscript saw the conclusion of the Whistler April fourteenth nineteen forty eight in four minutes right here on Classic Radio Theatre. Hey I'm andy if you don't know me it's probably because I'm not famous but I did start a men's grooming company called Harry's the idea for Harry's came out of a frustrating experience I had buying razor blades. Most brands were overpriced over designed and out of touch. At Harry's our approach is simple. Here's our secret. We make sharp durable blades and sell them honest prices for as low as two dollars each we care about quality so much that we do some crazy things like by a world class. German blade factory obsessing over every detail means we're confident and offering one hundred percent quality guarantee. Millions of guys have already made the switch to Harry's so thank you if you're one of them and if you're not we hope you give us a try with this special offer get a Harry starter. Set with a five Blade Razor waited handle Shave Gel and travel cover offered just three bucks plus free shipping just go to Harrys DOT COM and enter five thousand at checkout. That's Harrys Dot com code. Five thousand enjoy. We encourage you to participate in the GIFT CARD. Challenge these days. We all probably know of a local business. That is struggling to adapt to the current realities. Here's a small way that you can help announcing the gift card challenge if you're able think of your favorite local business and then by a gift card today by online or pledged to buy one as soon as you can. Every little bit will help. Restaurants take out or delivery. Many businesses have online shopping options participate in the Gift Card Challenge today by Gift Card any amount and show your support for our local businesses in this time of need even for yourself to use it a later day or pass it along to someone you know on the front lines to what they can to keep us all safe. Make the pledge and buy a gift card today participate in the Gift Card Challenge boasts and tag the business you selected on social media and challenge your friends and neighbors to do the same working together one card at a time. We can all make a difference. Hashtag Gift Card Challenge Learn more at Gift Card Challenge Dot Org. This has Groucho Marx. A few days ago I was talking with the Director of Civil Defense and you told me some things that I feel. Everyone should know. That's why I'm speaking to you now. Did you know for example that your chances of surviving an atom bomb attack are excellent? It's true but there's a big if you must do everything possible now to help yourself and your family. Nobody else will help you. Listen because this is important. Gave a complete price aid kit handy. Keep a close container of drinking water and your refrigerator enough three days. Be Sure you have a good fire extinguisher. Take around your house right now and pick out the safest spot away from windows and doors. Make sure that every member of your family understands he is to Russia that same spot when danger convinced that these precautions are necessary right now. I hope I can convince you. They're important he of family yourself. And your community now on Classic Radio Theater the conclusion of the Whistler April fourteenth nineteen forty eight till death. Do US part a a moment. Later you step in the records room quickly crossed at the desk by the window and begin your search minutes past frantically. You continue to look for the manuscripts glance at your watch. Janet will be going back downstairs any minute. You Need Time Norman. More time manuscripts are in the house somewhere. Then your eyes fall on the nightstand next to the empty bed. Nightstand and the half dozen bottles of medicine. You pick up the small blue. You'll remember. This one sleeping happens you stick them in your pocket in less than a miniature back in the study downstairs. Why not may even going assault? Show routine latest for hats. Oh you fix me a drink. Now Nice yes. We'd had hank it to US norman to US Janet. It's a funny thing about Ziegler. Seems to pop up in the most unexpected places. I remember the last time I saw him. London was right after the muck that's a fair you'll remember it don't you Janet Janet. What did you say on the Marcus affair? The painting Yes yes I seem to remember. What's the matter sweetheart? Don't you feel well? No no feel fun just sleep in. I guess I suppose it's not what you need is another drink. Janet NO NO I. I don't think so. What were you saying about Ziegler? Oh yes right after. The war belong now with Norman. Your voice drones on and on Janet can hardly keep her eyes open and then finally she dropped off to sleep. You keep talking. Then you'll get to your feet and walk over to her. Janet Janet Janet Fallen Asleep. Have you Donnie though worry? You haven't got enough to keep you asleep too long just long enough for me to finish here. Oh by the way I hadn't finished telling you how I got the manuscripts. How Clients told them from Ziegler it how I had to kill Klein to get them back and it was a bad mistake. On Klein's pot. Uh You haven't much time now Norman. The servants may be coming home at any moment quickly. You began a systematic search of the study. And you're in luck in less than five minutes the manuscript tucked away. And you're inside coat pocket. You LEAVE JANET. Sleeping peacefully in the chair slip out the front door as you stroll down the walk you talk the bottle of sleeping tablets into the bushes then when you reach the gate. Do turn look back at the house. Sweethearts sleep tight. A quite pleased with the way things have turned out the money you receive from. Richard Morris is tucked away in a San Francisco Bank. The manuscripts are in the mail for New York and in a matter of hours. Now you'll be on the plane heading east and you're not too worried about gem what she'll do. You just outsmarted her. That's all she won't do it thing she'll take her beating like a little girl perhaps look around for another sucker then an hour before your plane. I'm about to leave the hotel when there's a knock on the door S. Benson San Francisco Police gration. Yes yes what is an thanks? Leaving towns degration own son of a business deal with a gentleman named Richard Morris. Coupla days ago did I not dealer named Mansfield up over and I have a little chat with us yesterday. Seems Mars had asked him to check on some German manuscript. You had for sale so manuscripts for forgeries. According to Mansfield Lamar's died Sautin. Suddenly Well Mansfield Thought. He should bring it to our attention. I don't know what you're talking about lieutenant. You're not the Morris home last night went through. Okay I just dropped into say goodbye. That's all You The night before Marsden. Why don't you the night you poison them because it was going to turn you in for fraud poisoned wait a minute? Yeah he was poisoned. Look just like a hot Italian. I didn't I didn't him Janet. She must have have cost. That's itchy and everything to gain. Don't you see money and either? Though last night she turns right around and take some of the stuff for so what sleeping tablets. Turn out to be poisoned. She's dead Grayson. We found the half empty bottle hidden in some bushes in front of the house at something. Prince on it very interesting to see how they stack up with you. Let that whistle the your signal the signal oil program the whistler each Wednesday night at the same time brought to you by the signal oil company marketers signal gasoline and motor oil and fine quality automotive accessories featured tonight story where Doris Singleton and Gerald more whistler was produced by George W Allen with story by John W heart and music by Wilbur Hatch. This is my Miller speaking this is CBS. The Columbia Broadcasting April fourteenth nineteen forty eight the whistler on Classic Radio Theatre. Maybe you could relate to this. A lot of people think they're stuck with their health plan. It costs too much or for whatever reason they just don't like it but great news. You're not stuck with it. There is a choice. It's called net a share and you could save so much. The typical savings for family is five. Hundred Bucks a month major difference maker. This is the affordable alternative to health insurance. And just to give you a little more info about medishare. It's a Christian healthcare sharing ministry. It's worth beautifully for twenty. Six years has more than four hundred thousand members and they've shared over three billion dollars of each other's medical bills so yes they could help. Share your needs to so you're not stuck. There's an excellent alternative whether you're single or married you've got a family. Medishare a super flexible. You can choose an option that works for you and start saving lots of money. You can join anytime. They're great to talk to no pressure. Call eight three three thirty four Bible. That's eight three three thirty four Bible eight three three thirty four Bible when thinking about life insurance my accident. Reinforce you never know what tomorrow might bring. That's why reached out to accu quote unquote helps people find a life insurance policy that meets their needs since one thousand nine hundred eighty six. They've helped millions of folks save up to sixty percent on their life insurance by comparing the rates and features of dozens of top rated life insurance products. A healthy fifty year. Old nonsmoker can buy half a million dollars of ten year level term for less than forty five bucks a month a sixty year old under one hundred twenty bucks a month longer or permanent terms are available. Even if you already own life insurance you really need to check out my friends in Aki. Whoa don't worry about health issues remember. They helped me as the pastor. I'm concerned about your soul and helping you to make sure your family is taking care of life. Insurance is more affordable now than ever. So don't make them wish you'd made that call eight seven seven four three seven four seven eight one call now. Eight seven seven four three seven four seven eight one eight seven seven four three seven four seven eight one by state and this report is brought to you by the College Board. The unprecedented spread of the corona virus has closed schools across the country. Some for the rest of the year. So what about the millions of high school students who have been working hard to earn college credits by taking advanced placement classes the College Board has unveiled virtual supports for students including free live in on-demand ap review lessons on Youtube and the first ever online AP exams students can take the AP exam at home on a device of their choice in a safe comfortable environment? Trevor Packer is the Senior Vice President for Advanced Placement and Instruction at the College Board we've surveyed. Ap students nationwide and the vast majority want take the exam. That's why we've set up a process that simple secure and accessible. We want to make sure that every student has the chance to earn a college credit. They've been working so hard for the forty five minute. Online exams will be given from. May Eleventh through may twenty second makeup test states will also be available to learn more visit C B Dot Org now on Classic Radio Theatre Peg Lynch and Alan bunce couple door this episode originally broadcast April Fourteenth Nine hundred sixty. Pbs Radio brings you the couple next door written by PEG Lynch and starring. Egland and done so. We should sit down and have breakfast with me. I Aldea I dropped the pancake. Turn behind the stove and it seems to be something else behind here. You're going downtown today. That to me since you promise betsy a new dress and hat for Easter. I'm taking her shopping after school. I don't know how everything else I've got to do. Better Street Lighting Committee this morning Jones Houseman General Committee General Membership Meeting of the Women's Club at one thirty. What is behind this? For Pete's sake don't try to move the stove nevermind nevermind I got it. I try to move heavy things like you do with your back. I wasn't moving any ARIANNA fishing behind it for heaven's sakes it's not from Mrs Ten. She must have put it up on this little chef and a drop down behind the stove reminds me. I got a call insurance man again able to reach Piper. My sister suddenly taken six. I can't finish the cleaning today and I'm rushing off. I just went over the weekend without hiding your silverware like you always do so. I put it in the attic along with your jewelry box to clean on Tuesday and and told us that I thought of all the commotion that for a week. You know thinking we'd been robbed she said. You left us to note dear here it is ti. She says you're out of furniture. Polish and far wagon wheel. I didn't know that I'm going to them in my last commodity to breakfast all By the way betsy we last night if she can have a few of her friends over Sunday morning for an Easter egg hunt. I said sure well thank you for telling me. I guess she told you this morning today. From carrying and jelly beans and things like that. Then we'll get a lot of that coloring stuff and tonight will. Let's have some fun and all of us. Coloring Eastern we can have early dinner Greetings your Lord and Master has arrived. Where are you? Oh I'm sorry. I didn't get home early. But Mr Crenshaw costs on the warpath today I for the love them like what are you doing mentioned the name Crenshaw to me I am on the warpath and I could scalp a MRS crenshaw showing. What is the thing? This is an Easter Bunny. Costume was an Easter Bunny. Costume Zipper is gone. Apparently the man award last year just ripped it off probably in a rage having to wear the costume at all and I'm having to put in a whole news zipper up the back. I'm almost finished and do who could jump sitting here. See with rage at your boss is why why. What's it all of us? What does Mrs Kranj or have to do with an Easter bunny cost you all the orphanage our founding home whatever it is. That's her pet charity every year. She has a big Easter egg hunt for my boys and girls or she calls them and it isn't that I mind doing something for the children. I'm glad to do it in that way. But it's just the OH. Let's be the tenth. Time I've stuck my finger Mrs Crane. Joe Has the same with this as she is. When she's on any kind of a committee she takes the credit and everybody else does the work. She came up to me at the woman's Club meeting and latter about me. Oh did Mrs Piper. Could you help me your cell therapy and I'm just helpless when it comes to sewing lawyer but I know it's infuriating but well I do thank you for saying you're doing anyhow honey you know it's good. I said I don't really mind doing something for the children but I do. Object her just roping people in the last minute and if she hadn't been the wife of your boss. I know all of these things These things you have to do I guess by the way who's a guy that has to wear this monkey suit. Funny that's finished now if you'll get in contact at overture right. Just put the car away your boss's wife. Alright Sandra Hughes Anyway I dropped their after. We went shopping and just comment his kranj on. Say you're on your way? And the customers repaired glance at the headlines with Bobby took him shopping for little fellows too tired and we got home. I Fed him and just got him right into Ben Mrs Crane show. Yeah but I got the zipper putting the Bunny Costume and Oh no oh what a shame ally guess it does put you on the spot. I'm sure you'll find some big. Oh Mrs Crenshaw no no no no Mrs you know how some men are in mind particularly. He just hates getting into a costume. I mean really I. What was that Mrs Graduate? I'm sure my husband really would not like to be. The Easter bunny relied. Yes I know but yet on MRS GRANDPA hold on. Don't absolutely positively. She wants to talk. No I don't look at me your boss's wife give me that phone. The man who always does it has broken his leg or something deliberately tell you this put talented. Quit my job. I will quit. I went up the phone I wash. My hands are the whole thing. I've done my zipper and go on Mrs Crenshaw Yes guy. I love children as well as the next person misses grandeur but yes yes I I. Standstill look turnaround look. I don't follow the chair. Can you speak interesting thing? Don't be mad at me now. I did my best. You heard me on the phone. Let me see you Kinda Cute. Just a great big pink. Bonnie look all you have to make an appearance and you pick to take the orphans and hand around their Easter baskets and no one will even know who you are in that thing. So stop wearing standstill. When he just a minute. Let me try and fluff up your ears. One of them is kind of grouping kind of cute. But I think it's better if you stand up straight. Don't you take off your head? I'll have stuff more continents of the stand up straight your head just snaps dear. I think if you they hear how do it? Don't just rip it off like that honey. I'm not going to do it honey. You have no objection to your husband appearing in public like this. Nobody will know you inside that. Get up you heard Mrs Fanshawe. Indeed I did hear Mrs Crane. Show the boss's wife or no bosses wife. She is not going to railroad. Make perfect fooled on so I told her she was hard to say no to. She just keeps at you until she wears you down. She does it to everybody however it is true dear. Nobody will know you win this thing and she said she would not give your name to the newspaper. Allow tell you who's going to get my name my boss is going to get my name Mr Crenshaw. He's GonNa get my name right at the end of by resignation. I serious I am serious and that we have two children a mortgage on the house. There is one thing. Money cannot buy a man's dignity and I'll be darned if I am going to be a pink Easter Bunny for anybody and phone. Hi this is Gary Moore the daytime. Cbs Radio Show of the same name. Some people these days are saying our national economy's going right through the roof others say it better since we might have a rainy day in need that route. I say why not right for a Free Informative. Booklet called Prices Growth. And you the address. American Assembly Columbia University in New York City twenty-seven American Assembly Columbia University New York City twenty-seven they'll give you a good roadmap towards stable secure future. I'm sorry but the cranberries line is still busy again. Let it ring ring. Just keep getting a busy sick. Keep dialing keep dialing until you don't get a busy signal knowing what even know you in that costume honey will not be an Easter Bunny for anybody why does Mr Crenshaw be an Easter bunny. Costume would much bigger. We have we have two children a mortgage on the hauge. Stop saying that. Well it's true. Do you WANNA start looking for another job now. Mr Crenshaw's even hinted that when he retired you'll be put in charge. I will not be an Easter Bunny. Not for some poor little orphan or that. Don't do that to me. Nobody will even know you in. That are making the parents. Have you picked taken? The little children are pleased. I all right all right. I don't blame you I really don't. We'll sell this house move somewhere else and start over. Darling I mean I don't blame you. You realize what I'd have to go through. I realized guys sidling up to me Mister McGregor's garden old walk to many. I know I know. Dread for all these children orphaned. Yes let me see how I look again. Hosted Lender snap on your head. They're all else down. Yeah I'm prepared you to the marriage and see how you look you know. You're you're Kinda cute. Really what am I is still grouping now put more continental. I'll have to get and I put a bigger cotton tail on the back to dear. Nobody will know who you are high and is kind of cute and they are fence or just the same look at me. Look at me with inside. Here is the man whose mother once told might be president of the United States that I turned out to be a big pink fluffy Easter Bunny. I'll tell Tori maybe by Sunday I can get somebody out to be. No no no no. Somehow I've got a feeling just. This is my destiny doors stars. Eglin and Alan destined to be an Easter Bunny. Peg Lynch Alan bunce the couple next door April fourteenth nineteen sixty here on Classic Radio Theatre Visit. Our web page. Classic Radio Dot Stream where you can stream our programs. On-demand learn more about classic radio collecting and contact me. Classic Radio Dot Stream. And don't forget you can always find our programs anywhere podcast. You're served to search for U s. A Classic Radio Theater. You can find us through the iheartradio APP or through spotify speaker. Tune in apple podcast. Google podcast overcast. Usa Classic Radio Theater. I support free radio by thanking this station supporting the advertisers. And telling your friends. Great Radio shows are back. Classic Radio Theater here on your favorite station and a USA radio network. You're listening to the heartland newsfeed radio network broadcasting live twenty percents and our by newsbeat. This stream is supported by advertisers and contributions by follow us on facebook twitter and INSTAGRAM's McHugh service daily newscasts for April fourteenth twenty twenty. I'm Mike Clifford. Cnn size it up this way. A grievance fueled appearance the White House that featured a propaganda like video president trump said was produced by his aides. The appearance only affirm the oppression that some of trump's chief concerns amid the global public health disaster are how performance is viewed in the media. And whether it's being fairly judged CNN notes after the video aired trump grew increasingly irate as reporters probe the timeline of his responses claiming the criticism was not fair and they handled the outbreak effectively. Everything we did was right. Trump said according to CNN press later about his authority to reopen parts of the country trump delivered an eyebrow raising statement asserting absolute control of the country when somebody is president of the United States. Trump said. Your Authority is total. The issue of child care is at the forefront of the cove in nineteen pandemic that AC- such a workers continue to search for options following schools and childcare closures. Many hospitals have even stepped in to help their employees. Find Child Care Tara. Pruitt is a registered nurse who works at a hospital in Rockingham County. Her husband also is an essential worker. Her Daughters Childcare. Care Center is a short drive from her employer but it has shut its doors. Pruitt says individual providers at the center have offered to watch her child in their homes and members of her church have also offered to help one of the behind the scenes jobs. That people aren't thankful enough for. I don't believe until you if you're put into a A position where you might not have them that State Department of Health and Human Services has said it will temporarily pay bonuses to full time employees that provide care for children of essential workers who have no other safe options. I'm Nadia Ramlogan. As households are trying to stock up on shelf stable foods a Greenpeace investigation. Fives potential links between a major brand of tuna modern slavery and illegal fishing practices in January. Fong Chung Formosa or FCF. One of the world's top tuna traitors acquired bumblebee largest canned seafood company in North America according to Andy Hsien with the greenpace global tuna campaign. Fcf has failed to address. Systemic issues in its supply chain including forced labor and illegal fishing has closely too many problematic fishing companies therefore incredibly high risk of tainted tuna entering into our markets in our homes through Mobutu. Bumblebees SEAFOOD SAYS Third Party. Auditors Monitor it suppliers civilities for Labor violations and it remains committed to expanding social accountability to fishing vessels. I'm Andrea Sears. Reporting this is Pierre us as Iowa and other states graceful or flooding this spring along the Upper Mississippi River a new report highlights the continued threat facing the waterway. More from our Mike Moen each spring. The Environmental Group American Rivers Releases Its endangered rivers report and this year the Upper Mississippi tops. The list the report cites the effects of climate change and inadequate flood. Plain management is key factors driving ongoing flooding problems for the river. Nate young the Iowa Flood Center says there needs to be stronger. Commitment from policy makers to invest in strategies to mitigate the cycle of rising water levels we invest a lot of money and responding to floods and and not enough and trying to get out in front of it and mitigate the risk Before the event happens there was record flooding along the Upper Mississippi last year earlier this year government forecasters had predicted major flooding for certain sections of the river. While some of the projections for the spring have been dialed back. Advocates say the annual threat won't go away without comprehensive action. The report says vulnerable communities need to have a voice in the making process when the country recovers from the economic toll caused by the pandemic major infrastructure. Upgrades will be needed. That will modernize flood protection along the river and also put people back to work. Nebraska's overcrowded presents could be putting their incarcerated residents at a greater risk of an outbreak of cove in nineteen. A coalition of legal groups won't stay to sheriff's plans for keeping people serving time prison workers and their families. Safe Adam simple with the ACLU of Nebraska says many prisons are operating at two hundred percent of capacity and one facility has three times as many people as it was designed to house in some facilities. More than fifty. People are confined in spaces designed for sixteen or getting reports that four inmates are being housed in a seven foot by fifteen foot. So with two sets of bunks and four authors and at the cell is so crowded that only one person can move at a time three juveniles at a facility in Kearney have covert nineteen along with six. Staffers Simple says the number of adult cases is unknown because of lack of testing the Nebraska Department of Correctional Services says it's following CDC guidelines on hygiene and governor. Pete Ricketts has argued that releasing inmates early could pose a public safety risk. I'm Eric Glass the US District Court of Rascasse to be today by phone for a status hearing on an emergency motion filed last week requested. The court require the state's congressional agency to provide a plan for prevention management and treatment of cove in nineteen again a reminder that six feet of separation is saving lives. I'm Mike Clifford for public news. Service we are member enlisted supported and online at public news service DOT. Org Money now. One hundred is not a lender broker or agent of any lender or financial advisor. We do not make loans or credit decisions you must be eighteen years. Or older and a. Us residents qualify. This is not an offer or solicitation to Lynn. I went to money now. One hundred dot com and got the five thousand dollars. I needed deposited in my account the next Business Day. If you need money for any reason help is here. Got Money now. One hundred dot com and get the money you need need to pay off credit card debt. Good of money now. One hundred dot com need. Your car repair need home improvement. Money visit money now. One HUNDRED DOT com. If you need fast cash for any reason go to money now. One hundred dot com good bad or no credit at all. Go to money now. One HUNDRED DOT com. You could get up to five thousand dollars as soon as the next Business Day. Go to one hundred DOT COM on your phone tablet or computer type in the address bar money now. One HUNDRED DOT com. That's money now. The number one hundred dot com. We paid less for Craft Matic today than we did twenty years ago. If you're still searching for the perfect solution to a good night's sleep call now for prices and free information on. Today's craft matic adjustable dads and then decide when you see how little they cost rating number one by consumers nationwide on consumer affairs dot. Com craft. Matic that's come in mattress types including cooled gel memory for up to fifty percent less than today's leading memory. Foam brand enjoy temporary relief of low back pain. Poor circulation nighttime heartburn mild arthritis. You'll sleep better in a craft medic adjustable beds so if you're still searching for the perfect solution to a good night's sleep call now for prices and information and then decide when you see how little they costing discover craft for less up to fifty percent less than today's leading memory foam brand call one eight hundred six eight nine zero zero four nine. That's one eight hundred six eight nine zero zero four nine call one eight hundred six eight nine zero zero four nine call now. My mom suppressed cancer survivor. The United Breast Cancer Foundation saved her life and they need your help so they can continue saving more women's lives. Help them by donating your car. They'll provide fast free twenty four hour pickup and you receive a charitable tax deduction take cars trucks vans and he's running or not call twenty four hours a day. Eight hundred seven four five thirty three twenty seven. Your donation could literally save. Women's lives. Call today eight hundred seven four five thirty three twenty seven eight hundred seven four five thirty three twenty seven the USA radio network presents the greatest radio programs of all time at Dylan the United States Marshall Man. They look for the last chance. A job makes an watchful at a little lonely gun. This is classic Radio Theater James Stewart as the sixers Have Gun will the speed of light over the lone ranger? Now here's your host. Why it Cox Western adventure the Lone Ranger from April fourteenth nineteen fifty two the unexpected fiery horse with the speed of light a cloud of dust and the silver the lone ranger faithful Indian companion. Talk the daring and resourceful masked rider of the plains led the fight for law and order in the early western United States. Nowhere in the pages of history can one find greater champion of justice? Return with us now. To those thrilling days of yesteryear past hungering move beats more silver rain term rights. And we'll be ranger puddle with racing in pursuit of scarface MA leader known as the king of prime becomes separated from his plan. He was writing his life and applying over his shoulder. Green curric- was the end of a long trail. A trail marked with dead bodies of railroad detectives but religions and other lawmen who had given their lives in the upper to run down scarface who liquors force was tiring. Gun was empty. He threw it at the last few gesture. Super with the worst of greater speed down the gap and raced beside the horse. Lone ranger loosened his feet in the stirrups. Rock Lorraine's wing to the right and grab the King of Christ was broken. The two men hit the ground enrolled. Never get me alive next tonight. From his belt and charged the lone ranger duck beneath the sweeping layered and Ram fits to the outlaw stomach as bleaker doubled over his head came down to be met on the point of the tin by smashing his head snapped back. A hard fist crashed against his jaw. He staggered back by masked men followed with another writing. A King of crime went down. Well bleaker that's the beginning retribution. The end will be the hangman Cutini. Chemotherapy you write start to give me a hand search bleaker and time before he regains consciousness him Kim right yes look important now in ordinary crook with ugly. He's no ordinary cook tunnel. He's the most dangerous outlaw. This part of the country has ever known nothing in pocket. They'll probably find the cash in the bank robbery and he's handled bags bay. These facial I- ties hand me. Get Campaign got beginning at ten or eleven. Men work with him. Every man is a specialist and he's line. One is a locksmith and other safe cracker and another afford so on anyone. Nowhere I doubt is low after every job. Gang spreads out each man rides alone stays away from hideouts until he's sure no one was followed him. That's why we caught bleaker without his gun slinging helping the Holy Hands. Babies feed untied sweet and ride Get them conscious. Good catches portion bringing here. We get it got me. That's right blade here. Oh and tie of course think anyone could follow. My trail. Didn't think any horse could catch mine. It takes just one mistake career like yours and you thought wrong twice. Hey I know you you do the lone ranger at least it took more than a regular law dog to get me. What's your price price as ten thousand dollars or more than my said bags that belongs the bank in Red Ville along so you you'll let me go ahead your horse. We chose to do so. We could keep that cash without letting you go. Pay Fifty thousand cash to join my healthy. Thanks hundred thousand and you pay out that much money. You'd be surprised at how much I have to pay when it's necessary to save my neck. Where is the money at my hideout whereas you'd like to know which I'm not telling bleaker money doesn't interest me in fact not even collect the rewards for Your Capture Europe? Someone's going to get a Lotta cash. Might as well be you you really thank. You can buy your freedom. It can't be done bleaker honest law and read. You should've killed me. Though the hangman will do not hang. My boys are smart. Leave me plans to take care of any emergency like this. My voice don't know what to do and they'll do it. Those here with your horse do look in his head. Legs OUT OF CLAIM. Money money bags from banks good leaker. That means you'll be tried and read Ville for murdering the banker. Let's go I'll help you to your feet. I said before Mr. You should've killed me because when I get loose GonNa Kill you capture of bleaker clean throughout the state. He was questioned great length but refused with any shred information that might lead to the capture of his followers or the finding of his hideout with a loot of the gang were stored. He went on trial with confidence. Unshaken and water smug smile through the days of testimony people in all walks of life from swampers cafes with the governor in his mansion await hoopla verdict couple jury find the defendant guilty of murder in the first degree as charged in the indict a leakers smile remained unchanged does he stood and faced the judge whose voice was like the voice of doom. You'll be hanged by the neck until your dad. Make God have mercy on your soul. Leaker remained silent. There was no appeal. No comment was taken from the courtroom to a strong sale and placed under heavy guard. Don't wait the date of execution two weeks distant on the day following the end of scarface bleaker trial balloon ring. Jorunn Talk Radio of Spanish. In rubles. Eighty Padre was one of the lone ranger's closest friends. Welcome welcome Amigos de la Dre. I heard the capture of that Bedouin named bleaker is good thing you've done. When does the evil one face trial? The trial ended yesterday. Cap Era advil until we knew the outcome. Yes leakers to hang in. Two weeks will take care of the voice. Thanks Maceio Gusty. As of his followers are still at large all of them Padre. You think they will help him to escape leakers. Various sure that he will not hang you know that his men will do something to break him out of jail. And the sheriff's expecting such a move he will of course maintain heavy. God Yes but Padre leakers. Men Are Smart. They know the sheriff's expecting an attack to rescue their leader. But that reason I'm sure they will not attack. They'll do something wholly unexpected. What will that be medical? Wish I knew I. Only the other outlaws could be found. I suppose they wore masks when they robbed the bank. Yes did they leave no tracks? When they rolled away they never leave. Attracts that can be followed for any distance. They split up and each man rides over hard ground. That doesn't show hoof marks and I were lucky finding a few signs when we travel bleaker. I would not call it luck. Amigo you in. Tondo have no equals in following a trail but let us go inside where it is cool. There's a letter for you for me. It came three days. Ago those outlaws. They must be very clever did they. Leave no clue of any kind when they robbed the Red Bill. Well one of them threw away. A half smoked. Cigarette was made an unusual kind of brown paper. That's all you're gonNA highly call it. A clue to his identity or to his hideout hero always quiet and peaceful in here Saddam. I tried to let must have only few people know the letters and to country reach. You must be from someone we trust here. Is the letter saying thanks? Is well sealed if you wish to open at price of her dre. I have no secrets from you. It is a privilege to be trusted friend. Trust do you and Tato. Who's that an eagle? The governor of the state really letter aloud on behalf of the Commonwealth. I wish to express deep gratitude. You Tahoe for the capture bleaker. I've asked aw laminant estate to send me. Every clue shred of information about leakers followers. I hope this pooling of facts which were little value standing alone with speed to capture. The Crooks who remain at large significant information has already come to light. I wish to discuss it with you. Somebody their card and envelope with letter. What that an invitation to the governor's Masquerade Ball? Oh that's apartado. The guests will wear masks and fancy costumes. Probably number men will wear cowboy clothes addresses Indians. You and tunnel might wear what you have on a mash potatoes all you would need. It's like the governor to make it easy for us to seem we go there for a way. Of course as far as I'm concerned. Any requests from the governor's and we have eight days. Tahoe time enough to visit the silver mine. It took several days to reach the lone ranger. Secret SUBER MIND IN REMOTE HILLS OLE JIM. A trusted friend lived and worked there. Doug and refined a limited amount of or some was exchanged for cash to take care of the masterminds needs. Arrest was cast into super bullets for his guns. After getting bullets and expense money own rings or entitle headed for the state capital. They traveled at a leisurely pace and slept each night beneath the stars on the last day of the journey. They were in the Satellite Sunrise and riding through woods suddenly the mask Madden said all Tato. Here's what we need all water that clinic good. Et Scott leasing canteens nearly emptied. That he's someone makes frequent use of this spring. Look at the path is one on the ground Maybe animals come here more likely. The person who is in that cabin cabinet Dan where I am and you can see it through the trees It's Andy Lonesome place to live. Ls Fill. The canteen. Never gives Guzzles Hill road. Chance to the half smoke cigarette on the ground here now that paper. Here's another one. These same Shero. Red Ville Plan. Leave the horses at ground hitching. Follow me we'll see who's in the cabin as the lone ranger and Tonto. Approach the front of the cabins horse time to a tweet one side nearby flames rose from a small amount of paper on the ground. That paper any TATO must have been added within the last few minutes hand that someone near IBM signed Kevin. Gun Ready and keep a sharp watch. Paper at the edge of the pilot had not yet been reached by fire. Last minute could see it was cut him a form of NEAT squares uncovered with fine writing. Suddenly he bent in picked up several pieces. Like at this point. These are being burned. Invitations to the governor's masquerade ball. The curtain falls on the first act of our lone ranger adventure before the next exciting scenes. Please permits do pause for just a few moments April fourteenth nineteen fifty to the Lone Ranger on Classic Radio Theatre. Maybe you can relate to this. A lot of people think they're stuck with their health plan. It costs too much or for whatever reason they just don't like it but great news. You're not stuck with it. There is a choice. It's called Neta share and you could save so much. The typical savings for family is five hundred bucks a month major difference maker. This is the affordable alternative to health insurance. And just to give you a little more info about medishare. It's a Christian healthcare sharing ministry. It's worth beautifully for twenty. Six years has more than four hundred thousand members and they shared over three billion dollars of each other's medical bills. So yes they could help. Share your needs to so you're not stuck. There's an excellent alternative. Whether you're single or married you got a family. Meta share super flexible. You can choose an option that works for you and start saving lots of money. You can join anytime. They're great to talk to no pressure. Call eight three three thirty four Bible. That's eight three three thirty four Bible eight three three thirty four Bible. What'S THE EASIEST WAY TO EAT? A lot of fruits and vegetables balance of nature by simply removing the water and air balance of nature can take thirty one whole fruits and vegetables and put them into quick and easy to capsules with just three fruit capsules and three veggie capsules. You get the equivalent of over ten servings of fruits and vegetables every day. That's a lot of stored energy that your body will love so if you're looking for an easier way to get clean energy go to balance of nature dot com and order your bottles of sunshine today. Don't wait to see what getting over ten servings of whole fruits and vegetables every day can do for you right now. Balance of nature is offering free shipping and thirty five percent off on any new preferred order of fruits and veggies. Start Your journey to better health today by one. Eight hundred two four six eight seven five one or by going to balance of Nature Dot Com. And make sure to receive this special radio offer by using Discount Code USA. Hi Wayne Allyn Root Mr Health. All the millions of fans be healthier live a long life so we could save America. American exceptionalism ED capitalism. So are you in front of America? Did you know that in nineteen seventy three? Harvard doctor discovered the greatest. Single risk factor. Indicator for heart. Disease is a crease. In one or both your lobes. Strauss heart drops as so more than one million bottles over the past forty years helping countless people with cholesterol diabetes and China and blocked restricted blood flow. The best proven indicator of clogged arteries is the year low crease. Nature sign of trouble with black build up in one or both your heart attack and stroke or our number one killers. Women Suffer fifty-one percent artifacts Strauss. Trump's don't interfere with any prescription drugs. Strauss dachas guarantees your satisfaction. She can't go wrong. It's the painless natural economical way to clear. Arteries vessels veins and capillaries. And Guess. Who has the crease in both ears? Yours truly I guess is now taking Strasbourg. Draft Wayne Allyn root orders drops at the power mold dot com. That's the power mold dot com the Power Mall Dot com now on Classic Radio Theater more of the Lone Ranger April Fourteenth Nineteen fifty two. Who were called him to put up their hands. They reacted to the command with lightning. Speed they leap to opposite sides fired in the direction of the voice. Mine and ambushed. Gop unnerved by the sudden move fired. Her original tagging location was revealed by the smoke of his gun alone. Rangers second shot struck in the shoulder with force but spun him off his speech. Last minute the Indian leaked into the underbrush grab wounded my interview all you. Not just a flesh wound. You'll live to hang like bleakest. No I probably a combination of pain. Fear I'll carry him TATO. He'll go ahead and open the cabin door. Ten minutes later. When Pe- opened his eyes he saw the mask man sitting by his bunk. Tato was bandaging. His children ready to talk. You Know My name is. I know a lot about you. You worked in a government office in Washington were caught forging payback escaped to join leakers gang. Oh Don't lie. You were with that gang. When they read Ville Bank was robbed not a full member of that gang. Might as well be. Because you'll hang with you know why you what's the mask. I'm the man who captured bleaker range in your cabinet. I found an appendix. You Ford invitations to the governor's ball. Why Range Mestre? I need help. I don't WanNa hang usually the thought of that before you joined bleaker. I didn't WanNa work for me. Made me a boundless cabin where I'd been hiding from the law. Recognize me from handbills and said he turned me and if I didn't work for them so you helped his gang up the Red Ville Bank. I knew a man had been killed in that robbery. I I didn't want any part of that. Decided to go to the governor and tell them everything was willing to take my medicine for forgery. Could escape hanging. Did you see the governor? Now Road State on this side of town stood beside my horse for a long time thinking over what I'd say longer. I thought the more I realized that I knew little about the king. I didn't know where any of the men are. The loop could be found. I lost my nerve and away and you better answer my question. I'll tell you all. I know he'll help me. I'll tell you how the gang plans to set bleaker free tonight during the masquerade ball. Four other gang will abduct. The governor told him as hostage. They'll serve notice that he dies unless bleeders released. How do you know? Two of the men came here yesterday with an invitation to the ball in the supply of the same kind of heavy paper. What did they got? The invitation had been sent to the Red Ville banker stolen along with other male and the cash. They made me make three copies of it. I was out of practice. Worked all night spoiled a lot of paper before they were satisfied while they waited. They talked about their plans after they left. You burn the paper. That was leftover. I just set fire do it when I heard your horses stopped near the Spring. I hid in the brush. I Sawyer mask I thought you another outlaw. Tv If yours sincerely. I'll help you. I want you to go to the United States Marshal and give yourself up. You'll do time in jail forgery. Do My best to save you from the hangman. You let him. Tato see if you can persuade the marshals to return with you and beat me here. I'd like to discuss planning over. The governor's estate covered several acres at the edge of the city. It was brilliantly lighted and filled with men and women in costumes of every description. Everyone including tunnel water mask till the lone ranger was in no way conspicuous. Even his guns attracted no attention because there were a number of men who wore gun belts as part of convoy attire. Soon after he arrived and handed in his invitation at the door the ranger approach to toll man of military bearing who is dressed in Buckskin clothing and war of an Indian chief. Is there someplace where we can talk me? I hope she would come. Let's go into my steady good evening. Big cheap good evening good evening. Did you recognize basically? I hope some of my friends who say even if you could make up to my skin costume described newspaper thank you of people using the only ones where the war on it. So that's just kind of stay close to be handy when he's needed. Here's my steady. Are you sure we'll be able to talk privately? I make sure by looking in this closet. Having we credit little let me shake with you. Thank you personally for everything. You've been privileged to serve you all know. People obviously received a letter sent to the mission. I told you that I had significant information about the bleaker gang. Did you know that the clue in the form of a half smoked cigarettes had been lifting rather than s it was made of an unusual type of Brown paper and the conclusion of the Lone Ranger from April fourteenth? Nineteen fifty two along with another visit to the family. Doctor COMING UP IN. Just four minutes. I'm Wyatt Cocks. Thanks for tuning into Classic Radio Theatre. Hey I'm andy if you don't know me it's probably because I'm not famous but I did start a men's grooming company called Harry's the idea for Harry's came out of a frustrating experience I had buying razor blades. Most brands were overpriced over designed and out of touch. At Harry's our approach is simple. Here's our secret. We make sharp durable blades and sell them at honest prices for as low as two dollars. Each we care about quality so much that we do some crazy things like by a world class German blade factory obsessing over every detail means were confident and offering a one hundred percent quality guarantee. Millions of guys have already made the switch to Harry's so thank you if you're one of them and if you're not we hope you give us a try with this special offer get a Harry starter. Set with a five Blade Razor waited handle shave gel and a travel cover offered just three bucks plus free shipping just go to Harrys DOT COM and enter five thousand at checkout. That's Harrys Dot com code. Five thousand enjoy. We encourage you to participate in the GIFT CARD. Challenge these days. We all probably know of a local business. That is struggling to adapt to the current realities. Here's a small way that can help announcing the gift card challenge if you're able think of your favorite local business and then by Gift Card today buy it online or pledged to buy one as soon as you can. Every little bit will help. Restaurants have take out or delivery. Many businesses have online shopping options participate in the Gift Card challenged today by a gift card amount and show your support for our local businesses in this time of need for yourself to use it a later day or pass it along to someone you know. That's on the front lines to what they can to keep us all safe. Make the pledge and buy a gift card today participate in the Gift Card Challenge boasts and tagged the business use elected on social media and challenge your friends and neighbors to do the same working together one card at a time. We can all make a difference. Hashtag Gift Card Challenge Learn more at Gift Card Challenge Dot. Org this has groucho Marx. A few days ago I was talking with the Director of Civil Defense and you told me some things that I feel. Everyone should know. That's why I'm speaking to you now. Did you know for example that your chances of surviving and atom bomb attack are excellent? It's true but there's a big if you must do everything possible now to help yourself and your family. Nobody else will help you. Listen because this is important. Kepa complete fights aid kit handy. Keep a closed container of drinking water and your refrigerator. Not for three days. Be Sure you have a good fire extinguisher. Take a look around your house right now and pick out the safest spot away from windows and doors make sure that every member of your family understands he is to Russia that same spot when there's danger convinced that these precautions are necessary right now and I hope I can convince you. They're important he of family yourself. And your community now. On Classic Radio Theater the conclusion of the Lone Ranger for April fourteenth nineteen fifty two the other day one of the guards so man right onto my property it dismounted and still be. Sandy's horse over now smoking constantly 'em he landed in the roadway. So that's it he's cigarettes he discarded. We're like those found on red mill. My right yes. How did you did anyone? Try to find that man after he left. No we've run concerned about him into the following day when the cigarette clue arrive riven by then he's tracks Moist Corinne now jail. He surrendered himself to the Marshall. He did yes. He's been a fugitive over a year wanted in Washington for forgery. I talked to him this morning. Lang he's putting the new governor. I'll ask you to help saving from the hangman. Because of his age and saving Your Life Hell is. He helped to see my land. He told me what bleaker men are planning antenna. Abduct You and hold you hostage until bleaker released. It would probably mean you're that took me at least four leakers men guests at this party. They're here right now on your home. They got in with invitations. Have it'd be doing window. Looks in the window leave then. I'll have everyone unmask. We'd see who they are governor instead of that. Would you change clothes with Tato? So he'll be addicted. My please listen you come in your door. We think you call soon to jeopardize he got one of our nation's most important men. I feel justified in using extreme measures to protect you against your will. If you intend to use full Amaro you may order my arrest or worse. You may deprive me of your friendship. At least you'll be alive. Rescue anything not. I'll try to leave. That could be tied and gagged and locked him at closet but the evening would be more enjoyable for you. If you'd wear titled the Next Half Hour The toll man in Indian clothing into war on it remained apart from the guests not silently to those who spoke and discourage conversation until one man rest as a two gun bended step close and spoke in a laughing boys. Big chief come with me. I want to show US helping. Laugh your head off. Just come with me for a minute. The Indian maintained an aloof manner of the other men went on. We can even try to fool me. We all know who you are just in the next the next room to be a small library with casement windows reaching the floor one of them was open closes the door next instant. A gun was pressed against the Indians. This is a gun Mr Governor. Just go right out of step with the ground. Make lively around shoot crewmen were waiting in the darkness beyond the window. Good work we'll take care of the gun and with this gag. No hurry the horses already. Two hours of writing brought the outlaws and their captive to a cave in a remote valley. This cave crudely furnished with homemade bunks chairs and white. It by oil lamps was large enough to admit the horses as well as the land. In addition to the floor without the prisoner in Indian clothing six other men were in the cave and then it would not have been everything is smooth as silk. This'll be good news for the boss is as good as free right now by tomorrow. Everyone will know that the governor has disappeared. Hey look here. What's the matter? This is an Indian Indian You make a big mistake. May Tondo addressed those clothes. Change clothes with Governor did electric's GonNa cost you your life unless we can think of another plan mighty quick. It'll cost leakers. Live to that night sky. Take care of this redskin right away. Let's say what the attack was wholly unexpected over a dozen armed men dash into the cave and spread out quickly with gun. Talking Wipe was ended quickly. The outlaws apply were handcuffed by the Marshall and deputies who had come within crush line up against the wall the little rings that Hell Tunnels Hands and feet. Together to interrupt tyrod. Oh all right stomach's sore but the all right good right horse stomach down. We brought you a horse inside the other. Good land richer governed. Thanks Marshall I thought man would lead us to their. Hi this is all right now. Probably find somewhere in this cave. Eric and Blaker lose that smug Grin of his when he has this nights. We're leaker will hang on schedule toddler. We're not needed any longer. We return to the governor's home so you can get back to your own clothes. Thanks Mr for let me help. With downright privileged. Thank you Marshall. We'LL SEE. These crooks are jailed since we dress her wounds and find the stolen go. We'll meet again audio engine. Where'd you come proud route with your mid module? You must be a friend of ten. Your dog gone. I clean forgot. Mass Man Pete spoke because the governor about heaven. Tv Escape Hang. He spoke to the governor. Has promised you know about that. This wasn't hey you don't talk like a Redskin who I mean with who returned to my home and Chase Bank it holy. Smoke EXCELLENCY IS WORSE. I came along you see I did one time to. The risk is life from ad on the other hand. I did want to spend the night in the closet bounden gang so compromised with a April fourteenth nineteen fifty to the lone ranger on classic Radio Theater when thinking about life insurance my accident. Reinforce you never know what tomorrow might bring. That's why reached out to accu quote unquote helps people find a life insurance policy that meets their needs since one thousand nine hundred eighty six. They've helped millions of folks save up to sixty percent on their life insurance by comparing the rates and features of dozens of operated life insurance products. A healthy fifty year. Old nonsmoker can buy a half a million dollars of ten year level term for less than forty five bucks a month. A six-year-old under one hundred twenty bucks a month longer or permanent terms are available. Even if you already own life insurance you really need to check out friends and accu quote. Don't worry about health issues. Remember they helped me as the pastor. I'm concerned about your soul and helping you to make sure your family is taking care of life. Insurance is more affordable now than ever. So don't make them wish you'd made that call eight seven seven four three seven four seven one call now eight seven seven four three seven four seven eight one eight seven seven four three seven four seven eight one each inability to read by state. Maybe you can relate to this. A lot of people think they're stuck with their health plan. It costs too much or for whatever reason they just don't like it. The Great News. You're not stuck with there is a choice. It's called Neta share and you could save so much. The typical savings for family is five. Hundred Bucks a month major difference maker. This is the affordable alternative to health insurance. And just to give you a little more info about Meta share. It's a Christian healthcare sharing ministry. It's worked beautifully for twenty. Six years has more than four hundred thousand members and they've shared over three billion dollars each other's medical bills so yes they could help. Share your needs to so you're not stuck. There's an excellent alternative whether you're single or married you got family. Medishare is super flexible. You can choose an option that works for you and start saving lots of money. You can join anytime great to talk to no pressure. Call eight three three thirty four Bible. That's eight three three thirty four Bible eight three three thirty four Bible. This report is sponsored by Chase Bank. Social distancing means more consumers are performing everyday activities using digital tools. These days and for some it can be the first time they go digital for things like banking or grocery shopping nearly two thirds of smartphone users over fifty reported in two thousand nineteen that they don't use their devices for financial transactions chase. Aarp Foundation have collaborated to help improve digital confidence and know how with free videos and worksheets on things. Like downloading depositing checks and avoiding scams. Alex Rodriguez Financial Health leader. For Chase says there are many online tools can help us handle everyday tasks from home like banking. These free resources can help you stay safe and confident online and ready to spot misinformation and scams to take a free online workshop on financial technology visit. Aarp Foundation dot org slash fintech again. That's AARP foundation dot org slash Fintech now on classic Radio Theater. We head out to check on the family doctor from nineteen thirty two this episode entitled Tolerance. Hello there this. Is the family doctor you him? I put my instrument case maybe in the car. Let's see Um need lose. Yeah Yeah period. Is I guess I'll go home for lunch today. There's often get it too. Oh Miss Malloy. How'd you do this to Adams going my way which way you're going to my studio? I have a class afternoon? There's a smock youngsters. I just love every one of them. Did you say you were going in the direction device studio which dictionaries you studio Miss Malloy? How stupid of me. Of course you would know. You'd never been there have you well. It's right down. Maple Street and turn to your right. A half block ciphers here. I'll show you it just you go down. Naples speak doctor wait. I'll close the door now. Now we're ready entree so it seems You haven't headed by pupils. Have you talked to old? They're just doing beautifully every one of them my such talent. Freetown this is I have working now on a little one. Act Play of my own. As soon as they're able to master that I'm going to get them started on something a little heavier say Oh Max v will have little fellows would be slightly heavier yes I think so and then next New Year's Day if I'm here that long in your lovely little town I voted present pageant a pageant of the passing year with all doubts and fears and trials and tribulations and worries giving way to the hopes and happiness in gloves days of the future. Don't you think Is caused by the boy who goes to my causes. Sort of an allegory. As it were we have and thank you so much Dr. It was more than three to be able to bring me down here. Why don't you come in for a few moments in here? That children are. I think not thank just a few moments. The children will love it. They think so much of their dear. Dr Adams please duct where I was just on my way now I simply will not take no for that would mean so much to the children doctor. You must win week long. I'm sure they're all just pacing the floor with anxiety to begin rehearsing. They just look forward with so much anticipation to every Saturday afternoon. But we ops now. Oh I just want to show you how enthusiastic they come back into the studio. Dr Adam good afternoon Oh how do you do elementary ally? The other people have divided as yet I take it no not yet but to bed. A little disappointing give. Doctors don't mind at all We shot mind shall elementary pod me You know elementary of course. Don't you talked to help bring into the world really Small world isn't it? Well Elementary Suppose we begin with your recitation. May of course Dr. Come all the way from Holgate Street just to hear you. Haven't you Dr Adams yes. Of course. Well just down the doctor? That's quite a comfortable chair worn around the edges but it still serviceable over the other. Mary Dr Adams is ready. Suppose we begin with your entrance now. Dr I'm tragedy boom of war and pestilence across. I don't do it in the place to be played. One of the boys I understand. Here's your cue elementary. Let me see whether I can find it. I had to hear from all yet here. Tragedy Glow Tober the World Greasy Fish. My long speech ending with Luke. Who is this pair made? Clothes all white Such radiant shines from hope your face. My eyes cannot bear to see such like all right elementary. I know behold I transform cowards into the bravest of the brave I will my power and men with those of pygmies become as giants my loved US income. Pass all who behold me and listened to my story. I know no fear. No hate normalisation agreed. Love is my philosophy and peace peace of mind and so my goal Lauren name maiden hello sly name my name. When Outta here it? That will never more fear me. Behold I am tolerance? Fine Mary. That's just lovely. Don't you think doctor you say you say you wrote that? Play Miss Malloy. Yes do you like it? Of course I haven't heard there but I think that one speech is beautifully written and and it has a solid message. It really thinks that I do someday. I'd like to get a copy of that in just jot down in my notebook. I make a collection of these little bits of wisdom. And I'd like to have that. Oh Dr Adams you make me very happy here you shall have this manuscript and then you can read the rest of the place. Yes I want you to have it so sorry. The other people don't here to do the rest of the play for you. It's so much more effective in dialogue. I wouldn't know where they can be Lionel where they are you do. Are there down the bad you theater up for? What are they doing down there? Don't they know we have long rehearsal this afternoon? They go to a picture show in the evening or it isn't a movie could use. And what isn't it's a real show with real live actors and actresses who really strange that I didn't hear about it so busy with my little flock. Doctor that idea. What's the name of the play? It's called the Sheriff San to the rescue. Are the revenge. Perfect songs Robert trashy. Oh but with Mr Malayan it. It couldn't be tragic but I what did you say? Mr Who Malay- France Law Malay- always was here a couple of months ago when he was going to rain and all the kids thought you wouldn't mind because it would be just like learning something from you with Malloy. My late I in that funny. Isn't it Dr Adams? Would you mind driving me down to the theater? I think I'd like to see the show son to the rescue. I might learn something new about the theater myself in. You never mind doctor you stay right here. I want a witness to what I'm going to say to that that I want to witness what Ms Malloy not take no for an answer before all right stays and this time. I mean it more than ever. Laugh Cam we'd like get my hands him well. Good afternoon Mr Malay- would opt teddy Theodosius to you your Lug Teddy. Let's let's talk this over in my addressing lead me to it. I've got a lot to say and I don't want any options. Come on doctor on. I said very well that's performances afternoon friends tonight. Well I hope so. Where's the dressing room with the Big Gold Star adhere? My sweet go ahead. Sit Down Dr Adams Down Frank. I don't think you'll be able to take the standing. Well my fine feathered friend. The nice mess of potash. You've got yourself into not. Don't you teddy me you ham? I chased you all over these forty eight United States and I'm sick of it. I finally got stuck here in this little bird because I ran out of money the money you were supposed to send me money you leaving me out there in Hollywood with a lot of unpaid bills rent an apartment. We couldn't afford anyway furniture. That was only half paid. Darling through line of I heard from you. I finally found out you changed your name from Frank. O'malley friends while Malaysia. So I kept right up with you. I change mine to Malloy. Fancy as yours but it did the trick. I finally caught up Dr Adam. What in the world you reading or I was just reading speech from your play. Have to read it out loud. I own the speech that elementary gave this afternoon. You remember tolerance tolerance. Oh Yes yes I remember. My Love doesn't compass all who behold me and listened to my story. I know no fear nor hate nor malice nor greed. Love is my philosophy and peace peace of mind. Console my goal. Yes that's it Holler and it's all right. I deserve every bit of the lashing. You were giving me more years. I know what a rod and I promise. I'll change Teddy I. I wish you wouldn't cry. You don't know how much I loved what you didn't care about the day. I just WanNa let you know. It's all right now. Honey I'm going to stick by. Who now on? I thought I wanted to get away but I was mistaken. I missed you too have you. Oh you think Hugh Big Ham. Yes don't you ever leave worry darling? I won't Dr Adams think we're awfully silly to think he's gone did he can He must have slipped up without noticing him. Chief Frank she's a swell person they're all grand people in Cedar Ten. I wish we could take in this funny little. Yes well why not this your we could start a little theater. The folks here would go forward like hotcakes. We'll start a club. Have members give them all chances to play? Unreal shows swell. Yeah Yeah let's be Mr and Mrs o'malley you say hi see swell a Boo. The family doctor. I'd be in DC again right to bill by a from nineteen thirty to the family doctor on Classic Radio Theater. I'm Wyatt Talk State. This radio station support the advertisers until your friends. A great radio shows your back. Classic Radio Theater. Right here on your favorite station and the USA radio network driving as a rhythm on it's own don't wreck with a text before you get behind the wheel. Silence your phone or better yet. Designated Texter for more tax free driving tips stoptextstopwrecks dot org brought to you by the Ad Council and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration everyday actions to help prevent the spread of the corona virus. Wash your hands. Avoid touching your eyes nose and mouth cover your cough or sneeze avoid close contact with people who are sick. Clean and disinfect frequently. Touched objects and remember. You're safer at home for more information. Visit CDC DOT GOV slash covert nineteen. This message brought to you by line. Three sixty five and this station. It's cold and flu season again. Are you ready? Oh don't worry. Clorox disinfecting wipes kill ninety nine point nine percent of germs and help keep the memories going even through the sneezy months. Stock up on clorox disinfecting wipes today for a clean and healthy home during cold and Flu. Season clorox clean is the beginning. What comes next is everything. He's directed on hard non porous surfaces. Why have thousands of aspiring authors teamed up with Christian Faith Publishing to publish their book because Christian Faith Publishing is an author friendly publisher who understands that your Labor is more than just a book? We provide authors freedom and flexibility throughout the publishing process professional book Editing Award Winning Design and some of the highest royalty structures in the publishing industry and as always you'll retain one hundred percent of their rights. Dear book goes looking to find a company that I could trust one that assisted in the editing process. Completely and most important qualities that I was looking for was a publisher who was honest and up front. No hidden costs are owning the rights to my own work Christian publishing will publish market and sell your books. All major bookstores online booksellers as well as specialty Christian bookstores. Call for your free author Submission Kit. Eight hundred six. Oh seven Oh six. Six five eight hundred six zero seven zero six six five eight hundred six zero seven zero six six five. That's eight hundred six. Oh seven Oh six. Sixty five tidy summers health and wellness expert with your local health update. I get so many emails and calls about CBD the incredible oil from the hemp plant. That's being used to provide relief to millions for joint discomfort inflammation and nagging injuries. It's the most talked about alternative health breakthrough in years the CD product. I always recommend comes from. Cd LABS THE GOLD STANDARD OF CBD CBD LABS. Oil goes to work fast to relieve your discomfort and deliver the results. One thought nearly impossible without a prescription this powerful oil is not marijuana and contains no. Thc THE INGREDIENT. That gets you high. Oh yes CBD labs oil has also been used to help thousands. Get a great night's sleep. Don't be fooled by all the imitators. Call now and find out how to get a free bottle while supplies last to get your free bottle of CBD LABS CBD oil call eight hundred six five zero nine eight one four. That's eight hundred six five zero nine eight one four. Get your free bottle for a limited time. Call now. Eight hundred six five zero nine eight one. Four eight hundred six five zero ninety. Eight fourteen paid Steve Harvey here for the Illinois. Broadcasters Association and in a recent Survey Illinois Emergency Management Agency was asked to name the top five items that every Illinois family needs to have a new homes. Emergency disaster kick check out these answers water caitlyn without it number two non perishable food. Well after all a man gotta eat right Numb. You're listening to the heartland newsfeed radio network broadcasting live for seminar. This stream is supported by advertises and contributions by follow us on facebook twitter and Instagram's this is the liberty beat your daily source for news and activists updates produced in partnership with the S. and L. S. network and listeners like you online at snl West Network Dot Com. I'm Mike Merlo with your latest edition at the Liberty Golden Trading at one thousand six hundred twenty eight dollars stover at fourteen dollars and forty one cents and Bitcoin is trading around six thousand seven hundred dollars. Today's gold silver in Bitcoin. Prices are brought to you by brave botanical high-quality and see at reasonable prices with excellent customer. Service Ray panicles is activists known and mission driven by Liberty and brave botanical. Believe so strongly in the power of freedom. We're giving it away for free. Just go to liberty beat DOT news slash recreating this is the liberty beat at SNL network dot Gov in the news. According to a new report from the New York Times Americans bought nearly two million guns last month as the country. Slowly went into lockdown activists post reports not second highest sales numbers ever seen in the US for firearms surpassed only by the January after then. Us President Barack Obama's reelection which was also winning Sandy. Hook shooting occurred and while more guns were sold in January. Two thousand thirteen. The numbers are actually extremely close with roughly two million guns sold. During each time period. The data used in the report from the Times was based on the number of background. Checks reported by the FBI. So it's likely that the actual numbers are even higher because background checks are not required in every state the FBI has been tracking monthly gun sales in the US since one thousand nine hundred ninety eight this week US president. Donald Trump included gun stores shooting ranges and firearm and ammunition manufacturers in a list of essential businesses. That can remain open during the lockdown. Ever wonder where we find all the news to report right here in the liberty meet visit. Snl S. DOT news to get the world's most sensitive media published all in one place. Save yourself from endless. Time spent searching for reliable tentative media. Snl S. News makes a quick and easy. No ads. No Click Bait just roll headlines. Twenty four hours a day visit. Snl DOT news and get informed today without the corporate media. Spend your news now continues. There were dramatic scenes at an airport in Shanghai China as US agents hijacked a plane full of life saving equipment including sixty million masks bound. For Corona virus stricken France while the plane was on the tarmac American agents managed to bribe locals into diverting the plane to the United States plying them with cash mint press news reports. It appears to not be an isolated incident Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau revealed that he had received similar reports of goods being seized and taken to the United States Brazil. One of the most loyal allies also broke with convention to criticize trump administration's pandemic gangsterism. President trump spent weeks claiming that the virus was a liberal hoax intended to dentists credibility then downplayed the seriousness of the problem before changing tack blaming China for the thousands of dead midstate cove nineteen outbreak around one hundred detain migrants at a private for profit. Prison in Farmville Virginia have collectively gone on. Hunger strike demanding their release on medical and humane grounds. Men Press news reports. That's according to sanctuary. Dmv A volunteer organization helping immigrants in the Washington DC area phone lines to the dorms have been cut and visit have been suspended. Inmates claim that one dorm is under strict quarantine. The move comes in response to the inaction of Attorney General. William Bar detainees at ICA FARMVILLE had sent him a letter March twenty-fifth pleading to be released but they received no reply. Support for the liberty is brought to you by the homestead you room. The homestead guru is an educational website offering tips tools. News stories and commentary on everything. Home Setting probably glued green homes gardening. Animal Husbandry You Yourself Home Remedies Alternative Energy Survival. Ism on schooling and more those details found online at the homestead doc who this is the liberty powered by think network has network DOT com. I'm Mike Moreau reporting for the liberty. Reminding you spread liberty with a smile. Printer is projecting the biggest sales in his company's history. Are you kidding me? This thing does everything. Plus it sucks. You're all right and I know you're thinking ladies. There is a version for you that you out hanging up apple we beat you the punch on this one. Samsung's got you by the balls. In spite of the almost thousand dollar price tag customers are raving about the device for my career. I do need the Internet and TV and all the time TV and a girlfriend and a laptop Davol. Those in one device would be really nice even run a bad press about unsafe. Working conditions in the Apex Factory in India have not dampened sales projection factory factory sweatshops which are Blah Blah. How `bout you just plug straight into the Internet? You can get your sucked on the onion news network. This is free talk live. Talk Radio that you control you can call and talk about whatever is on your mind that toll-free free number's eight five five four five zero three seven three three and with you tonight it's Rei and Conan and mark and you know hearing Cain we go out and we protest the restrictions on the right to assembly every Friday night by holding the nightcap here at central square but we're not alone it would seem other people and mark you. You're under the impression that Americans are getting fed up with the restrictions on their liberties and they want to presumably return to work. Well I think that. So undeniably cabin fever was going to set in at some point for everybody somewhere along the line right like I have a cat who I have a friend who lost a game of go fish against her cats is that indicate that cabin fever is set in for them. I was say so. Okay I mean normally play. Go fish against her cat. As an only child. I played a lot of games Pretending TO BE MULTIPLE PEOPLE. Because you know mom didn't have the time to play risk or whatever with me every time and You know just going to have to pretend to be other people and try to beaten. Hopefully my favorite color wins kind of thing so I get it but Adults are going to want to do things like go to movies. I'm a little miffed that my black widow movie has been the cans been kicked down the road. We have no idea when I'm going to get to watch. This just released to net Flix. They could but I suspect they have probably some contracts that are in place with the movie theater. Companies Plus Disney owns marvel now so it would go to Disney plus anyway agreed they could do Senator Disney plus but I suspect they make a lot of money on the box office and making zero money off box office right now. That's true the box offices. Shut down I was just talking about Jujitsu class there's enough people in the world that do martial arts. I mean. Nobody's thinking about how that affects martial arts businesses but I'm actually a small interest co owner of a Martial Arts Studio here locally and there's a winner they let that open up because I can tell you that I have had multiple instances in the last three years where somebody's sweat has fallen directly into my or open mouth now. That cannot be a straight twenty days later. So that's remember getting quarantined now and well. That's that's GonNa be that's GonNa be very difficult for any anybody who's Concerned about the spread of this virus to To tolerate but I think people are just getting sick and tired of being in the House. I am now. And I've been social distancing for a decade or more what someone who was sick though actually go out and practice. Ju Jitsu that that's the and the sure there are some a symptomatic carriers. So we're told I don't know and I don't particularly care but it seems like if you're doing close quarters sparring with someone. You're just sort of assuming that if they have a cold or they have the flu or something or a stomach bug. You're going to catch it from them. Kind of like they do when you know when it's just the seasonal flu. Yeah some people go to something like something like this guy right here go to work get everyone else sick but but most people are like you know what not. GonNa risk and I got sick days to to use up. I have been sick before and chosen not to go to to the To class however when you have eight billion people on the planet somebody will do that. So do people go to Martial arts classic sure they must some must I guess so but it's still is no excuse for the government forcing these places to shut down. You know if they have people who want to take those risks by coming to the class then. Those people should be able to exercise that right. I don't disagree with your assessment on this but I like to look at things as they are not as they should be in not saying that the government has any real right in fact. I would. I would argue the opposite that in a country where freedom of assembly was worth killing your government officials over then that obviously we should have the freedom to assemble and I don't really think they have much standing for what they're doing however they have to do is declare it a state of emergency at. Evidently they have the authority to do whatever they want. The governor's might but there's been a lot of people who aren't governors who are trying to do things to and that's a curious legal situation. Plus How am I going to file a complaint? I mean some. I'm sure. Plenty of courthouses shutdown. How am I gonNA say know I have standing? I'm being kept you know. Say My business is shut down. That's pretty rough. You know this gut reaction by all the governors and just government in general has been to watch their butts. It's basically everyone was like. No everyone come and go to the parks you know. Keep to keep the restaurant's open data. That in two weeks later was like. Oh we got. We got close everything down but they weren't doing it because they really care about us is because they're watching their next campaign reelection. That's the reason. Yeah sure and it's not going to do much for the campaign. However here's the economy is collapse correct and that's where I was going. This is my advice to all of your all your bureaucrats all you politicians out there What is coming is going to Pale in comparison to people being mad at you because you didn't close everything down. If you don't open things back up people are going to be so pissed. They're going to be so upset. And so poor that you they will bring tarring feathering back right and that's areas. I know people well. Maybe I don't know if you know where to buy tar and I know where to get feathers and the you know the the really what it comes down to is. How easy is it going to be for people and each of them have their own circumstance to get whatever relief money they're going to get? I think that's the first and primary thing that the politicians need to worry about and most of them that are keeping people home are not in charge of distributing the money so for instance the Jujitsu studio that we used previously if they want rent paid on that unit then clearly income has to be coming in so and if not then the. What's the landlord. Do that has a bunch of re units. That aren't paying rent. Well obviously he's GonNa need the government to give him a break on property taxes and he's going to have to have some place to go to get some kind of relief on rent and so there's a variety of this cascade of problems that's occurs from keeping things locked down the sooner you just go ahead and open it up and let people take their chances and by. Jesus I mean everything goes back to normal. I'm talking about look we've had three weeks. It takes three weeks to set new patterns suggest strongly to people no more handshakes wear masks. You know. Stay six feet apart from each other. Do a variety of things that people can do. We still do things. People aren't touching the corona virus by facing the opposite direction to three feet away from them in a restaurant. Okay that's not. What is causing corona and this these blanket suggestions? They're really shortsighted. But then you have people like me who wouldn't comply simply because it's a grotesque idea of as a human being what task to treat every potential individual that you see like there are play carrying. Rat is disgusting. Well there already were played carrying rats. They're human beings okay. Played right hearings. Awful they're plague-carrying predatory apes right. Is that a little better for you. Not play carriers assuming that they're play carrier we were full. Play golf the five four people in this room the dirtiest epicentres in this room. I mean for me you can fringe kiss my dog and be less exposed to pathogens. That is not a scientific statement. Yes how do you figure that we're made UP WITH WORLD VEGAS? Germs and viruses and bacteria dogs pathogens. Don't affect you generally whereas mine do if like if we if I give you mouth to mouth versus the dog giving you mouth to mouth right after it licked. It's Nana's not entirely true. Plenty of can be transmitted from people to pets and vice versa. It's true but not nearly as many that can be transmitted from people. I would certainly agree that I'm more likely to get you sick thing but I would also suggest that you have no basis whatsoever for assuming that I'm going to get you sick Sure you are carrying pathogens on you rights. Now it's just that. In most cases I have defenses against those pathogens. If I had no defenses you would be deadly to me as would were the rest of the world now. I'm not saying that means that you have any obligation. If I had that problem I should stay in a bubble as they did back in the day. The kids you know. But that's the that's life my problem and I should treat people accordingly. If that's my issue I would i. I can't argue with the basics of just said I think we should act in love and not in and what you're speaking is nothing but raw fear. Bitcoin DOT COM has launched a trading platform at local dot. Bitcoin DOT COM allowing you to buy or sell bitcoin cash via dozens of payment methods. Like pay pal then. Mo Bank deposit remittances or meeting in person with cash. There are no requirements to sign up for news the site and all communications between buyers and sellers are encrypted finally global trading platform that respects your privacy visit local dot. Bitcoin DOT COM to get started trading. Bitcoin cash local DOT. Bitcoin DOT COM. Gold has definitely been on the move recently and there is no more secure. Investment historically mcilveen is as been helping people take delivery of precious metals and find storage options for decades. They've helped thousands of investors with their precious metal. Ira's call today for your Free Portfolio Review at eight hundred five two five nine five five six or download the free report online at ICS GOLD SILVER DOT COM to learn how you can double your golden silver ounces even within an IRA eight hundred five. Two five nine five five six. I see a gold. Silver DOT COM. Do you want more businesses. Accepting bitcoin cash dash now with any pay you earn passive income for every purchase at those businesses finally a financial incentive to spread bitcoin. Cash N Dash. You made it happen so you receive the rewards download the any pay Cash Register. App and add your crypto currency wallet addresses then. Install it at a real life business and tell us what you did at any pay INC DOT COM ANY PAY INC DOT com. Free Talk Live is now on more than two hundred radio stations. Nationwide we've had more than eighteen million podcast downloads and we claim millions of listens a month. We're a multimedia ad venue with print email web and terrestrial radio marketing platforms. We strive to have add packages that catered advertisers big and small contact me today at market freetalklive dot com to see what we can do for you. Market FREETALKLIVE DOT COM. If you're a local advertiser contact this station but if you can service a national audience contact me market. Freetalklive DOT COM. The political world is a maddening cesspool of corruption and lies. Nobody tells the truth. Nobody keeps campaign promises. Nobody obeys the constitution. Nobody PUTS THE PEOPLE I. How can we ever escape? This web of tyranny vote for nobody. Hi My name is nobody. I'm running for Governor of New Hampshire because nobody knows how to live your life better than you do and nobody deserves that kind of power. I WanNa put you back in control of your money. Your lifestyle your work your body in your life. Nobody should rule you. But you be convicts. Many people have so called crimes. That should never have been prosecuted. If elected I will pardon. Every victimless crime in New Hampshire History. This includes drug gambling gun and driving offenses. Nobody should have a criminal record when they have not harmed anybody. Wouldn't it be nice to have nobody telling you what to do? Learn more at elect nobody dot com elect nobody dot COM L. Dot. Fm now has a discord discord is a free text and voice chat platform and we now have our own server with a bunch of channels at Discord Don L. R. N. DOT FM. You can join other listeners. As they chat about various things during our live shows or anytime day or night discord softwares available cross platform. So you can have it on whatever device you want and take your chats anywhere. Join our discord at discord dot L. R. N. DOT FM that's discord dot L. R. N. Dot. Fm Are you a CRYPTO currency advocate. The crypto tip is the ideal outreach tool to help people discover crypto currency. It's a printable business-card-sized tip that you can give to service providers preferably in addition to a good cash tip when the server scans the Qr Code. It'll bring up an explanation of crypto currency how to install a wallet and allow them to claim the tip. If they don't claim the CRYPTO. You Get your tip refunded to you. After a time period you specify plus if they do claim the tip you get an email alert create as many tips as you want at crypto tip dot org. That's CRYPTO TIP DOT ORG. Love what we do. Please help supporter International Satellite Channels. Patriot Dot Halloran that. Fm THAT'S PATRIAE on that L. DOT FM This is free talk live. Talk Radio that you control and you can call and talk about whatever is on your mind that toll. Free Number's eight five. Five four five zero three seven three three and with you tonight. It's our CONAN and mark and I wanNA tell you about local dot dot com because they trading platform launched by BITCOIN DOT COM. And it allows you to buy or sell. Bitcoin cash using dozens of payment methods. Like pay PAL. Vinho baked oposite remittances or meeting in person with cash. There are no idea requirement to sign up for and use the site and all communications between buyers and sellers are encrypted so finally a global trading platform that respects your privacy visit local dot bitcoin dot com to get started trading bitcoin cash again this local. Dot BITCOIN DOT COM. And we've been talking about how to treat human beings in regard to the corona virus because there is some reason to believe as mark. Factually points out that other people have viruses and bacteria and things that you don't the S. I don't see it as a problem though. I don't see it as anything to be concerned about. I think you should be able to take the risks that you wish. I don't think that I think that we have an art. A unique opportunity to remove some of the stigma surrounding people who do not wish to take the same risks. So for instance. When I was in Hong Kong people would be wearing masks on the regular basis however at the same time people in the states would never consider wearing a mask. I've seen people wearing masks every day. Now Yeah Right. I'm talking this again. I said a unique opportunity suggesting that this opportunity that we're in right now is unique prior to I was in Hong Kong in December and in December. I'll bet you weren't seeing somebody wearing a mask. Every single day and the reason is is because wearing a mask in the United States was considered. Sort of socially unacceptable. And if you `specially if you walked into a bank right like I walked into a bank recently wearing a hat covering my face. You can't do that otherwise so I guess I don't see what the benefit is of being able to walk into a bank wearing a mask whoop de do facial recognition software right now is becoming prevalent across the globe. There's more than a million. Cc cameras in London Chicago'S WELL ON ITS WAY. Cities across America and the world are going to put in place facial recognition software which tracks every human beings movements all day long so that they can find out where everybody is everything short of putting a transponder in story. This up your rectum. You're not going to get past this with a face mask. Well not unless. It's like a Halloween. One that fully upset me you can recognize someone just based on there is. I think that it becomes more difficult for the facial recognition software to do its job just based on is and in a world where wearing Some kind of mask over your face likely. It's no more verboten to wear some kind of transparent shiny shield over your eyes and in which case all I'm saying is is that now we have a unique opportunity to not have to worry about the facial recognition software and I support veils and masks and all these things because those are the low tech solutions to a high tech problem except after this year if gates gets his way. We're all GONNA get chipped and they'll be tracking you. That way well gates is talking about a at this point seen paper vaccine card and this is a very interesting question on one hand. I certainly would like to know who has tested positive. Who has not and getting papers? Certainly something fair that I could ask somebody however the problem is once you start mandating it. What about all your other shots vaccines? And don't forget that. The Corona Vaccine Very Likely Ladies and gentlemen if the Corona vaccine acts like the corona virus acts like the flu virus it will transform n change regularly and quickly meaning that the colonel vaccine will likely be as useful in two years as the flu vaccine created eighteen months before the flu comes out. It's just a it's a it's a roll the dice by roll is. I don't mean a likelihood that you're going to get it. It's unlikely that they're going to guess. What Corona looks like into? You know they're going to be pumping you full of stuff every year and it'll if you WANNA get your papers you can go to so you can go to work or you can go into the grocery store. Yep well let's go to the phones. We've got dave calling from New Hampshire Dave. You're on free talk live. I thought I'd let you guys know that The Free Talk Live crew Is Not alone in doing Right to assemble demonstrations. There's another one going that's been another guy is trying to do them in New Hampshire. It's Saturday correct. Well I don't know if it's not we must be thinking about different Different demonstrations because this guy is going to be doing a tour around the afternoon. I guess he's GonNa go to every you know many many different town halls and demonstrate their or in front of you know good intersections in public spaces. And he's he's inviting. You know everyone in the town to come join him in each case. Basically how do people get a get a hold of this guy and find out where he's going to be sick meet up with him? His name is Christopher Gronkowski And he does not using a website for this he just says. Go Find Christopher Gronkowski on facebook and Chris Chris Christopher Christopher Gronkowski New Hampshire. You know something like that interesting. We also There was a petition. Started this morning. I think it was this morning At at Reopen New Hampshire new Newton NIH reopened H. dot com and people are basically signing this petition to send to the Governor to say. Hey look man This is not helping anything anymore. We need to be released so we go back to work and we can open for the curve. Flattened I don't have any faith and online petitions but since it only like twenty seconds I went ahead and I. It's it's a real easy scientist your first name last name email. That's it Bam silence. There's also to assembly protest of some sort this Saturday in concord and then the four twenty rally this coming Monday in concord plus the nightcap which has a right to assembly protest essentially Friday night here in came. So we're definitely not alone. We had nothing to do with the one coming up on Saturday. There's also more cars on the road than there was a week ago. Yeah mark on the way here. I've been here seven years. Somebody passed me. I was doing thirty five. It was a block line so no passing zone and I got past about sixty. I think that basically it's like everybody who isn't disallowed from going from opening their businesses. Basically doing whatever they wanna do and there are certainly people out there. They're petrified and they those people should be able to stay in quarantine pursue. Their life quarantined if they way. Hey Hey get you get you a bubble there. I've seen the Walmart pictures with these guys. I say spacesuits on they're not content with that because they have come how some somehow come to the conclusion that going down in public is a threat to their health. Will they need? They sit in their house on their couch using their phones to live vicariously through social media. How US being on in public is tantamount to breaking another home and coughing on them. They're not my in my solution to those people if you're if you're immune compromised if you're scared get you a bubble get your air tank or if your employer and you're afraid of getting all your police it close your business down and suffer the consequences but the rest of us. We're ready to go back. And don't forget these mercy ships and these tent hospitals and everything that they set up. These places are empty. The hospitals are ready. They got the supplies now. They're ready to go. I sent a stack of pizzas to the local hospital. When was in Sarasota Florida they're like. Yeah thanks for the pizzas. But we're here to eat or somebody damn what they see. Room staff. Four pizzas was too much for them. They had to give away to the other people in either floors. Dave thank you so much for the call. It's great to hear other protests going on. Of course we're going to talk about more of these protests because there are protests coming on nationwide of people wanting to get the economy going again the next generation while it is coming from divvy. In just a few taps you'll be able to send spend an exchange digital money in seconds. Send money around the globe with only a swipe instantly exchange between divvy bitcoin and Fiat right in the mobile APP and withdrawal directly to your bank account divvy already offers the first one tap solution for earning passive income with crypto multi-tiered. Master nodes allow everyone to partake in the network visit. Divvy Project DOT org. Dav PROJECT DOT. Org find out about your common law rights move buffalo and freely in your personal convince on foot know what to save. Stop by a man or woman in a costume and proceed safely on your way. Also find out how to lawfully. Keep all the money you make free of tax. Protect your liberty in freedoms and a peaceful and lawful way by adding William Stinson Sixty at Yahoo Dot com to your skype context. And let's talk free on skype. That's William Stinson. Sixty A YAHOO DOT COM is spreading the message of Liberty Crypto currency and peace around the globe. Worth two dollars per month to you as you may already know in addition to our Internet feed L. DOT FM broadcast on free to air satellite across North Central America as well as sub Saharan Africa. And we've been available on satellite for free twenty four seven since two thousand ten the ELA and on. Fm FREE TO AIR satellite signal is reaching some of the most oppressive regimes in the world. And there's no doubt. Our ideas are making an impact. You can learn more about the channels impact by watching the three minute video at fund dot L. R. N. DOT FM. If you'd like to help free minds. Globally with our ideas of liberty crypto currency and peace. You can donate as little as two dollars per month via fund dot L. Aren Dot. Fm You can help us. Continue and expand our satellite broadcast Multiple Continents Visit Fund Dot L. R. N. Dot. Fm Today. And thank you for your help. Don't forget to share the link on social media that's Fund Dot L. R. N. Dot. Fm Do you want more businesses? Accepting bitcoin cash in dash now with any pay you earn passive income for every purchase at those businesses finally a financial incentive to spread bitcoin. Cash and Dash. You made it happen. So you've received the rewards download the any pay cash register at an ad. Your crypto currency Wallet Addresses then. Install it at a real life business and tell us what you did at any pay. Inc Dot Com any pay INC DOT com the L. R. N. DOT FM Social Media. Channels have been revamped. We've eliminated facebook and focused on other platforms like twitter and mastodon the decentralized alternative to twitter on our accounts you'll find posts from multiple L. R. N. Dot. Fm show hosts together in one place. Follow us on twitter at twitter dot on FM or better yet moved to the decentralized mastodon social media platform at toot dot L. R. N. DOT FM t o d done L. DOT FM. I think you'll like it. I've been told no in many different ways to come here around one hundred people here actually. Hey excuse me off ain't GonNa make now only God pretty. What am I being being served? What are you GONNA here crafts? Have a funny telling people. Not Derek Jay's victimless crime spree. Watch it for free and order the director's cut. Dvd At victimless crime. Spree DOT COM. Now you can follow. Nfl on the decentralized mastodon social media platform at two dot L. R. N. DOT FM TUTU DOT DOT FM This is free talk live. Talk Radio that you control and you can call and talk about whatever is on your mind at toll. Free Number's eight five. Four five zero three seven three three and with you tonight. It's Arianna Conan and mark for years. Libertarians of all stripes have wanted a directory of liberty minded businesses. And we're helping to build one liberty dot menu liberty dot menu as a tool for our community at its core is a directory for events businesses and digital content and more listings can be rated and reviewed and there's a bit of a social networks so you can connect and share with others. However use of liberty dot menu is exclusively for individuals who reject the initiation of force and those who agree to abide by the ethics of the non aggression principle so put your voluntary est ideas into action at liberty dot menu and Use Code F. T. L. to get a special badge again. That's liberty dot menu. Now we're talking about the corona virus the right to assemble the overbearing -ness of the government in response to the corona virus. And one of the things that bothers me most about this giant disconnect between what actually happened and what people think has happened like you. Have you have banks coming out saying? Oh this and financiers and things like that coming out saying Oh we're about to have a recession worse than the Great Depression because of the corona virus but the reality is it is because of the government right. That's going to happen. That is the the happens all of the time that people for whatever reason I think it has a lot to do with the the notion that we're taught in school that we were the government you know government of the people by the people for the people right. Well that's what they want you to believe. It's a notion not a fact so You know that that people don't WanNA blame themselves for problems and when the government does something they almost always look at it like well. You jump out of an airplane. You'RE GONNA fall and hit the ground. You go up against the government. Of course the government's GonNa Act Stupid so it's your fault for whatever the government does and they blame the victim when it comes to the state doing something and to be clear I think it's worth pointing out You know the government isn't a isn't anything. It's just a bunch of morons that couldn't get a job in the real world okay. They couldn't. There's not a lot of them. Did get jobs in the real world but they wanted more money and more power so they got jobs in government in order to increase their status in the real world that happens to it. Let's not forget That they don't spend a whole bunch of time they don't spend as much time blaming the government as much as the other guy in the government for example the big degrade orange great band the Batman. All right so I mean and that's the other part of this. That's that's difficult. Is that look whatever. Whatever the program is that you think is a great idea. Don't forget that the other team that you think is Satan incarnate will soon be in charge of that program whatever it might be and they will make that program bad. Not If that program is headed by. Not If they're competition to Orangemen is freaking Joe Biden for sure well like hell okay so the babysitter is no competition there. It's just it's it's already been settled. Done it right. It was done as soon as less than what else comes in. Like Hillary well. Yeah as soon as Brock. Obama picked up the phone and started calling Joe Biden competition saying. Hey you gotta get on the the JOE train because Otherwise Bernie Sanders is going to play. That's when the whole election was lost. you know it was. It was a terrible idea. And that's it. You could just hang it up but the pattern has been almost my entire life with a few exceptions with a couple of exceptions is that the Republicans in for two years the Democrats in for two years. Republicans in for two years and the Democrats in for two years and well both times. They didn't happen. There was a strong third party presence and also the Carter was dealing with a terrible economy. So you know there's a. There's a few instances and I suspect that trump win in two thousand twenty without my vote because he has not pardoned Russell bricked or Julian. Assange or Edward Snowden. If he pardons those people I have a committed to to vote for him and I will make every effort to pay that particular debt off but then in twenty twenty four you will exp expect to see a democrat. Because that's how the pattern goes. It doesn't mean it's true. It's just a pattern. Let's go to the phones. We Got Wesley. Calling from New Hampshire. Wesley you're on Free Talk. Live it so I wanted to ask you guys. A question on the question is did you know that. There's more than the on Hall of supply of legal tender currency like beyond currency. That would be true by default because every dollar created has a loan as interest attached to it and the interest has never created with the dollar so every dollar essentially calls a dollar one penny and that penny is just never created. That's what I was GONNA stay. You took the words right out of my mouth. Yeah it's still. How are people supposed to pay off their debts if if if the supply of money it doesn't matter it's the Total debt well. They're not and you've look if you look at bankruptcies prior to the decoupling of the dollar from the gold standard and then after you'll see a market increase like factors increase in the in the instances of bankruptcy and that's because by design people can't pay and it's like I'm a musical chairs. The people who are music stops. And sometimes you're just one left. Standing people are worst at managing money and just plain old unlucky are going to get stuck in this Bankruptcy situation and well. That's that's okay. That's what we're just GONNA make it easy for everybody. We'll just write off your debts and let you start all over again and will shake our finger at you for seven years but then everything will be. Don't worry about it. So when the when the banks like say you go for Carl? That's like ten thousand dollars. Most people have the perception that this bank like earned the ten thousand dollars and then just went out. But that's not exactly what happens at all like they just want to like. There's ten thousand dollars now. Just comes out of thin air like it doesn't cost them anything especially now with the kind of money out with the research freight being set to zero. They can do. This is that up until recently they had to have a certain amount on deposit Wesley in order to make that ten thousand dollars about a ninth of it But now they don't have to have anything they just have to get somebody in there to be a signature creates the money and then you pay the interest back to the bank. Who and that's how they make their money. They don't create the money the federal reserved US right. And so since they're giving out fake money And they know people who I mean. You know phony money like you know. It's not like gold or silver. Whatever well they they they could create out in Arizona. This is one of the things that I tend to separate my You know from a pedantic standpoint separate myself from Libertarians on is that the creation of money out of thin air isn't some kind of aggressive act. It isn't taxation. It isn't any of those things because everybody out there using this money is choosing to do so with Bitcoin and silver and gold in existence. You are making the concerted effort. You're choosing to accept dollars you're choosing to do business in dollars and for the longest time. There was no alternative. Well now there is. There is now yet reckless render unto Caesar go to Bitcoin DOT COM. Watch the videos you opt out way. Okay so this is actually fascinating to me because on the face of it it looks like everyone can spend the The person who borrows the money he agrees to the terms of the contract. The lender agrees to the terms of conscious. But the person taking care not even begin to understand the terms I e the personality of the Cintas relevant from the start Wesley because the person making the agreement the I'm still not a no but the point is relevant because the person just say was. Wesley wants to say new. You can pick it apart when you hang up on his but go ahead Wesley I you know. I don't WanNa be rude or whatever but oh I okay. So maybe there's another party. We're not considering and I know that. Libertarians I even myself cringe. I think the thought of like General Society. But Leslie thank you so much for the call. I sorta sorry. I interrupted you but not really because the person signing the loan can't even begin to understand the legal leases like a user agreement for software. You can't under you can't normal human being can't wrap their minds around it in the first place. Eight five five four five zero three seven three three. This is Free Talk Live House. Flies defecate every four to five minutes spreading diseases. Germs protect your food and your health with bug assault a miniaturized shotgun which utilizes ordinary table. Salt as munition nontoxic. No batteries required only thirty nine ninety five use Discount Code Dan and get an extra ten percents off your purchase at bugasalt dot com fire. Your flyswatter get your bug assault today. Attention all radio listeners. Who still need food supplies? If you thought about the implication of food related supply chain disruptions and are concerned about the coming quarantines vis will be the most important message you will ever hear. Here's why in the next few days. All Americans will face extremely hard choices. If we've learned anything from China and Italy it's the quarantines enforce lockdowns are just a few days away here in the. Us LISTEN WHILE DEHYDRATED. Food becoming scarce. You can still get enough open. Pollinated heirloom seeds to grow a one acre crisis garden. The truth is growing nutrient dense vegetables in the days ahead may actually be the single most important thing you do go to survival see bank dot com and watch the new video to understand the nature of the threat. This could be life. Saving lockdowns can last from six to eight weeks. Get Free Bonus Seeds Special Quarantine reports to go to survival seed bank DOT COM. That's survival seed bank dot com. You've seen crazy diets to lose weight at U. C. N. team are healthy body weight. Loss simply neutrophils the body bringing down cravings it has been proven that nutritional deficiencies Dr Appetite for carbs. Sugars and fats lose weight. The easy way find us at juicy team DOT COM or call eight seven seven eight seven eight forty two zero three fighting cravings fool's game give the body what it needs to be satisfied again. Eight seven seven eight seven eight forty two zero three. That's eight seven seven. Eight seven eight forty two zero three on. Free Talk Live. We're bringing people to the ideas of liberty. Every day from wrestling superstars. Like Glenn Jacobs you guys really are having an impact. I believe like I said a lot of where I am now. He's due to listening to free. Talk Live you change my mind on some very important issues years ago to random people tuning in on the Radio. I'm stuck in the Left Right Paradigm. My heard your show by chance on Saturday night from there I went on during the Free State Project and become an angle flyer so I mean that's really the reason why am is up because I know that if it wasn't for you guys being on his issues with you are I never would have found the ideas of liberty you're amp will directly change more lives by getting free. Talk live in front of people looking for talk radio online and on the air. When you aunt free talk live you get perks like access to the ample facebook group and an podcast visit amp dot freetalklive dot com? There are lots of ways to listen to freetalklive or podcast has been around since podcasts began and now the F. t. l. feed is loaded with content besides full show archives. Did you know that we make it? Easy for you to customize your podcast subscriptions we have different feeds. One that includes only are full shows one with just the daily digest and our main feed. That includes everything. You decide what you listen to. It's quick and easy to customize your feeds at feeds dot freetalklive dot com that's feeds dot freetalklive dot com. My Name is Jacob Hornberger. I'm president of the future of Freedom Foundation which Congressman Ron. Paul awarded for having an outstanding Freedom Website Ryan said F F F F F F Dot. Org and. We'll send you a free three months. Subscription to our monthly journal of Libertarian essays and our Booklet Economic Liberty in the Constitution which George Mason University economics professor Walter Williams praised in a recent column. That's F F F F F F F Dot Org. This is the Liberty Radio network broadcasting the latest liberty oriented audio content. Twenty four hours a day at L. RN DOT FM This is free talk live. Talk Radio that you control even Cohen and talk about whatever is on your mind that toll. Free Number's eight five. Five four five zero three seven three three in which you tonight it's oriented and Conan and mark and apparently some law enforcement officers somewhere in the United States had his hand chopped off not in the United States. I know oh well that's less fun but somewhere throughout the world had his hand chopped off by a sword and this was done by a protester. Is that correct? Just some guy out who's out and about I think that's the sad thing that makes him a protester today. I don't know that we have the The motive of the chopper. But we do know that the police officer was enforcing corona virus locked down so one is led to believe that that is the case Let's see it's right here from I got it from news break Dot Com and they've got The the low down on it from Fox News there. There is where they got it so a police officer in India underwent more than seven hours surgery after his hand was hacked off during an attack Sunday while he was trying to enforce the country's corona virus lockdown the government of the State of Poon Jab said on twitter. The horrendous attack happened at a vegetable market in Potala located about one hundred and seventy miles from New Delhi. Assistant Sub Inspector Jeet Singh was taking part in a covert nineteen enforcement operation when he tried to stop a group of five men at the market and was attacked with a sword that severed his wrist and the officer was then rushed to the hospital for an operation that lasted seven and a half hours. Punjab's Chief Minister tweeted that the surgery was a success and the hand was reattached. I think the entire team right so there you go so basically the you know the Hindus have the seeks out there enforcing rules and making it. So people can't make a living selling some vegetables. People living hand to mouth can't make a living selling vegetables and this officer gets his hand hacked off because the bureaucrats out bureaucrat. Say that he's got to go out and do it. So wow there's video were they operating. This is our food. Markets not considered essential in India. I think there's probably just not. Nearly the amount of compliance to government wishes government in India is considered to be something irrelevant and should just needs to be paid off to go away. So they have squandered all the social capital they have and they can't get people to to obey their wishes so some people are just going to go about their lives as though nothing's happening that's the way I would prefer to go about it. Sure but that doesn't that yeah. They label these guys. This is at India Today. They say the seven who attacked a police being there was basically a gang. Fight taking place. Well let's for future release officer. He accosted them. He attempted to assault them and one of them defended them with a sword. Now that's not clear on India Today. What actually took place the The altercation is not laid out in. It's not clear I'm not entirely sure what happened. I would say that everybody here is worse off by these rules that we're talking about But this is what happens is the probable almost certain future of you laying down rules and then expecting people to follow them as some people aren't going to and you can either say okay. Well these You know these were suggestions. And the not enforce them or their these rules and everybody must do what the rules say and then expect conflict and the conflict going to go the way the conflict goes so I am neither going to stand in solidarity with the Police of India on this because by God stop enforcing stupid rules stupid bureaucrats tell you to enforce and I'm not gonNA stand with some sword wielding maniac in Punjab province like neither one of these There's no there's no heroes in this story just victims and perpetrators. You have the feeling that I'm getting from. This video is that they're probably both in the wrong. They looked like they both ways. They looked both like gangs. Go in the war with each other one of them's driving a truck through their barricades and whatnot. This guy have to do hand off. How can we get like it? It's awful it is awful but if somebody breaks into your house to kill you and you shoot them. You don't look in the go. Oh that's awful. There are no heroes here. Sure there are only victims but if somebody breaks into my house to steal my TV. I'm probably not GONNA shoot him center of mass over a TV well. The COP wasn't trying to steal his. Tv I understand. We don't know what the COP was trying to do but try to shut down a vegetable market so he was committing aggression by greed. It's whether you have to decide for yourself commensurate value of Amount of aggression is for a given instance and say cutting off. A hand was probably a step too far right and then society is going to get its say in the matter and sometimes society is going to agree with you and sometimes it's not so ally recommendation is air on the side of discretion in these instances. We hear what society says. Society has a lot of things to say about me. Most of them are not PAS. Your hair is both red and purple. I know you don't society says let's go to the phones we've got Lonnie calling from California. Lonnie you're on free talk live going over there and you. What's on your mind? Call quality having some quality issues so anyway. That's not the only example. We have a people getting fed up with the orders by the government or these suggestions as we largely. Have here in New Hampshire to do as the government wants at least fifteen thousand. Cars and trucks are expected to descend on Michigan State capital Wednesday right and in Michigan. They're doing much more than suggesting. And the suggestions of the best case scenario for the government because then they get to handle their edicts largely people are complying and or at the very least they look like they're complying because we don't know whether the cars all the cars. I passed the dozens of cars. I passed on the way here. Were going about essential business or not care if they were well. I know you don't care but the government does certainly wants everyone to believe that everybody who's out there is essential business that way. The people who aren't aren't out there they sex shop here in keene is still open. No there's no logic a status can put forward that would convince me that by their parameters. A sex store is considered essential liquor. Store is open. You're talking about advice in essential and they're still selling lottery tickets. You can have an addiction to alcohol. You think we'll have more babies born in nine months that has been that has been brought up more divorce and that's one of our by the way if you if you talk to the central planners that we're not making enough kids. What if this was and we know that there are countries out there South Korea CONAN south to put the conspiracy theory who are keeping us. Home is so we'll have more kids. I mean just just shut down everything on a Friday sitting everyone home and turn the liquidity off. That was their plan to get childbirth. Is the time of my life when I had more sex by going out on a Friday night than I Than by staying home they had the problem with beat so if it was a couple of if it was a week a week and a half or just the weekend that would make sense but you being cooped up with your significant other for a whole month before you know you guys are pulling each other's hair the last thing he wanted with your significant other for a month without some level of breaks or whatever you you've got some problems in your plenty of people out there who are in that boat and the only thing that keeps them together is the bills and the fact that they're actually away from each other for a good part of the day and they only have to put up each other when they come home to watch. Tiger king lives of quiet desperation. There's lots of them out there. People hate each other. They put up with each other so well the reason so why would they want people having more babies because we because the Ponzi scheme is collapsing we need. That's why they want migrants had someone they went refugees. That's where their truck in because they need new Labour new workforce to prop up the Ponzi scheme. Who is they the central those There's always them those right. Whoever THEY MIGHT BE? I don't know what the reason is. So CONAN has put out some conjecture here. Maybe he's right maybe he's wrong. I don't have any idea. But the evidence shows that just about every governments in the face of the earth seems to support the notion of more natural born citizens within their realm. Our very own government here in keene. I know the mayor was he He quite often spoke of Of wanting to bring in new labor from other countries because he wouldn't say it like I say it that he he about the Pasi propping up the ponzi scheme. But that's what he meant. He knew that there's problems he knows that we're in. We're in a retiring state. The whole country is retired. But we're here in New Hampshire and Vermont especially we have a very old population and it's just not going to be an of workers to keep the propped up. You WanNa see what's happening. Look Japan Japan has aged more quickly than the United States. It's an older country Their their place in the world. Remember in the nineteen eight one against another you do Coney remember the nineteen eighties. They were putting out movies. And and Hey America. We're GONNA lose everything to Japan. They'RE GONNA TAKE OVER. They got this militaristic I remember Russia. Being the bad guys I don't remember Japan because Japan was not bad guys but they were Just the threat economically the Russians had never been able to get out of their ways. their own ways economically. Now it's China and maybe consider for a second that China had Five million stem graduates last year. The United States had five hundred thousand ten times as many. Us college students are busy arguing. About what bathroom to use this is free. Talk live eight five five four five zero three seven three three remember when you first heard about bitcoin. How long did it take you to realize this little project would soon change the world to you kind of wish you had gotten involved sooner. Well now's your chance to be part of the next revolution in money into coin is working to finally make crypto go mainstream. It's designed to be scalable enough to support everyday payments and even elections without the state. Bitcoin was originally supposed to be a peer to peer cash system. The way we all pay one another without having to trust any third party but instead over time it mostly became a store of value. That's because every ten minutes. The bitcoin network must put all transactions into a block and that block can only hold so much. If crypto was to become mainstream for everyone to use it in everyday payments. We need a new architecture when that's as secure as bitcoin while being far more scalable checkout Inter coin dot org to find out more and maybe pick up some of those coins for yourself. Bitcoin DOT COM has launched a trading platform at local DOT DOT COM allowing you to buy or sell bitcoin cash via dozens of payment methods. Like pay pal then. Mo Bank deposit remittances or meeting in person with cash. There are no idea requirements to sign up for and use the site and all communications between buyers and sellers are encrypted finally global trading platform. That respects your privacy visit local. Bitcoin DOT COM to get started trading. Bitcoin cash local DOT BITCOIN DOT COM. What if you WANNA hear the latest episode of Free Talk Live but all you have is your phone? You forgot to download archive and you have no data connection. You can call our listen line at six four one seven nine three zero one ninety one. That's a long distance number so you may incur charges if not listen as long as you want six four one seven nine three zero one ninety one the freetalklive listen line. Six four one seven nine three zero one nine one. You're listening to the heartland newsfeed radio network broadcasting live twenty seven hour newsbeat. This stream is supported by advertisers and contributions by you follow us on facebook twitter and Instagram's this is the liberty your daily source for news and activists updates produced in partnership with the S in ls network and listeners like you online at SNL s network DOT com. I make Murrow with your latest edition of the Liberty beat Golden Trading at one thousand six hundred twenty eight dollars silver at fourteen dollars and forty one cents and bitcoin trading around six thousand seven hundred dollars. Today's gold silver in Bitcoin. Price are brought to you by brave botanical high-quality crater and CBD at reasonable prices with excellent. Customer Service Ray. Botanical is activists known and mission driven the liberty and brave botanical believe so strongly in the power of freedom. We're giving it away for free. Just go to liberty beat DOT news slash recreate. This is the liberty at network dot com in the news. According to a new report from the New York Times Americans bought nearly two million guns last month as the country. Slowly went into lockdown activist post reports if the second highest sales numbers ever seen in the US for firearms surpassed only by the January after then. Us President Barack Obama's reelection which was also winning Sandy. Hook shooting occurred and while more guns were sold in January. Two thousand thirteen. The numbers are actually extremely close with roughly two million gun sold during each time period. The data used in the report from the Times was based on the number of background. Checks reported by the FBI. So it's like we at the actual numbers or even higher because background checks are not required in every state the FBI has been tracking monthly gun sales in the US since one thousand nine hundred eight this week US president. Donald Trump included gun stores shooting ranges and Firearms and ammunition manufacturers in a list of essential businesses. That can remain open during the lockdown. Ever wonder where we find all the news report right here on the liberty visit. Snl S. DOT news to get the world's most censored media published in one place. Save yourself from the endless time spent searching for reliable alternative media. Snl S. News makes it quick and easy no ads. No CLICK BAIT. Just Roll. Headlights twenty four hours a day visit. Snl DOT news and get informed today without the corporate media. Spend your news now continues. There were dramatic scenes at an airport in Shanghai. China as agents hijacked a plane full of life saving equipment including sixty million masks bound for corona virus stricken France while the plane was on the tarmac American agents managed to bribe locals into diverting the plane to the United States plying. Them with cash men press news reports. It appears to not be an isolated incident Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau revealed that he had received similar reports of goods being seized and taken to the United States Brazil. One of the most loyal allies also broke with convention to criticize trump administration's pandemic gangsterism. President trump spent weeks claiming the virus was a liberal hoax. Intended to dentists credibility then downplayed the seriousness of the problem before changing tack and blaming China for the thousands of dead amidst cove nineteen outbreak around one hundred detain migrants at a private for profit. Prison and Farmville Virginia have collectively gone on. Hunger strike demanding their release on medical and humane grounds. Men Press news reports. That's according to Sanctuary. Being a volunteer organization helping emigrants in. The Washington. Dc area phone lines to the dorms have been cut and visits have been suspended. Inmates claim that one dorm is under strict quarantine. The move comes in response to the inaction of Attorney General. William bar detainees. Ica FARMVILLE had sent him a letter. March twenty-fifth pleading to be released but they received no reply support for the liberty is brought to you by the homestead you room. The homestead guru is an educational website offering tips tools. News stories and commentary on everything. Home setting glued green homes gardening. Animal Husbandry Yourself. Home Remedies Alternative Energy. Survival isn't on schooling and more those details for found online at the homestead doc. Who wrote this is the liberty beat Howard by the S. and LS network at SNL NETWORK DOT COM? I'm Mike Moreau reporting for the liberty. Beam reminding spread liberty with a smile full bacteria into the air. Our closest relative. The chimpanzee is itself. The fountainhead of AIDS bitter at the ascendancy of man these scheming apes brewed this deadly virus in their jungle. Lairs nowhere on earth is safe from the threat of animals. Even in the bitter wasteland of the Antarctic penguins walk for miles in land ensuring their afflictions and every corner of the globe. This was the onion news network free talk. This is free talk. Live Talk Radio that you control you can call and talk about whatever is on your mind that toll. Free Number's eight five. Five four five zero three seven three three and with you tonight. It's our code new and mark and we're talking about Protests the right to assembly and its interplay with the corona virus versus people wanting to stay at home some people not wanting to stay at home and just the entire mess that has been created by the government in response to legitimate or illegitimate fears regarding the corona virus. This is true and there are. There are some conspiracies that this is all about resetting the economy because it had gotten so his. It is completely out of control so far gone. What does that mean out of control the Pension System? Okay and Inflated Dollar College Debt Credit Card that they're not played a dollar and they're not GONNA fix that they're inflating to to fix the problem to maybe destroy the Dr completely outright so that it could move to the next thing you might convince me that telemedicine is going to be less costly So since the government foresees having to Provide medical care that are released. Pay for medical care that You know to increase telemedicine. That college is extraordinarily expensive so having online and don't forget government school rate grade. School is right grade schools. Expensive all these. Things are half of my tax bill right there so it'd be far more efficient if people You know we're educated online. I might be able to see that but certainly not fixing the economy also maybe break it to fix it also maybe preventing Up keeping a lot. A big chunk of the workforce working at home. I think there are. There are those who believe that that is the way to go. It is not working well. Yeah exactly Because it just because people just need to be in the same room with each other. Sometimes this tele- tele- work stuff doesn't work for everybody right. Concentrate there's a whole bunch of reasons. Why many jobs are going to be difficult to do from home? Not The least of which is when you send a parent home and keep a kid at home. And Somehow I'm supposed to do my the the same amount of work from home while making sure my kid does the same amount of schoolwork from home. Like none of this makes any sense. I mean my but can they be doing jelly sandwich? Make It yourself but that actually that actually that actually might be the good. Where's the Jelly? Where's the amount in the cinema out in the yard? The Grass God. I mean there's a reason that are that are parents are like get out of the House kid a house and don't come back to the street lights here. Here's here's where my parents figured it out. If I stayed too close I got put the work. Yeah so I was always going on going on tricks out in the woods that away from it all as a parent. I'm trying to get my son to do. Work is harder work than doing the work. You're just not mean enough. I just easily frustrated. I think that I do think this is a reset that I think they have and I don't know that this is actually think that I don't actually think this is going to fix it. I think they've just gotten to their whitsand. They don't know what else to do. And Hey let's Let's try this one out and see if it were just throw this at the wall. Cbc's sticks I think it's just politicians trying to save their political but sat at that is a that is an absolute but I the local at the local level. I'm talking about the big guys. Look at trump Couple of months ago he was like This is This is no big deal. It's a hoax and Blah Blah Blah. Now you can decide what he meant by what he said hoax but he didn't care anything about it. Then you know the everything changes and now he's trying to keep people home and then he'll now he's going to like what we're turning to work when I feel like it which basically intuition well P- you know I'm starting to trump. All the politicians is just giving the people what they're demanding. I mean the masses out there are demanding to for the state governments to force people to stay at home. You can't deny the fact that there is A. There's a big part of our population who wants to be quarantined. Want Daddy telling them No. And then you've got another portion who are losing their minds and they're about to go start burning capitol buildings down because they need to go back to work. Get out from their significant other and soap. There people who are four and people against but I tend to think that the against number is growing in. The four number is shrinking. Yes and this whole notion that we're going to keep everybody inside for two years while we do double blind studies on a of corona vaccine is the most ludicrous notion. You'RE GONNA have to take the Keebler Elf and run him out of the White House. Which is which is Bouchier and gates. They need to be both Amber Fox. They need all three. Be Run out of that organisation. They don't need to be having anything to do with that. They're all conflict of interest. There all biased. They all have plans future plans. I don't even know why he's taking any information from that from that. Fao Guy. Well I think that probably okay so if I had a pandemic on my hands I'd probably be listening to epidemiologists however I would never put it make a circumstance where epidemiologists were deciding how the economy went nor would I take a pandemic information from economists. Be Like I as the president. Trump should be looking at all the circumstances and I think that you know from a practical standpoint. Maybe it was a good idea to block people up for three weeks and give them new new ways of doing things and then let them out and try to be less dirty in the world and maybe they will. Maybe they won't honestly if we lost four percent of the weakest oldest most susceptible. I'M GONNA die this year anyways a lot of people who have died likely we're going to die in twelve months and I'm not saying that that's good. I don't want anybody to die. But everybody I'm who's listening to me will and back to FAO she There are plenty epidemic. Demi all just out there. Who Don't necessarily have their hands in the cookie jar and have conflict of interest and are actually working on new vaccines every year And also who are receiving funding from Bill Gates There are plenty of other options. They don't need Pfau Fire Falconry Hashtag mark. Whatever get rid of all of these. Have some sort of hand in a cookie jar. I mean even the independent privately owned research is out there trying to invent vaccines are just ultimately trying to secure their own jobs right. So that's there has an cookie jar then that's a conflict of interest. I mean that's endemic in the medical industry is this trading thing is infinitely more profitable. I'm clearing you can find an epidemiologist who doesn't necessarily work for a vaccine company working on new of POLIO NEW INFLUENCE OUT CORONA VIRUS. Sars vaccines every year. I know they're on the Youtube. I know they exist. I don't and there's some of them are are well. They're on youtube claiming to be epidemiologists. Certainly I'm I'm thinking that I've seen are actually accredited. Have you looked at it them? Well no I would not take the word of a random youtuber that they were a licensed physician or epidemiologist or a doctor or whatever. I'm seeing allow to claim that there's just put on. Nice little white coat that well. That's what they that's what they do with their guys. The guys stand behind the trump. Yesterday you don't trust them. I Trust I trust you to the Brian. Hearing another opinion the purple hair is probably gonNA throw off anybody even if you have a white coat I'm seeing a lot more news in Italy off some people others. Oh yeah obviously. I'm on board with this person. This person's transient. But you are going to vote for Cuomo. 'cause he's got the pierced nipples what. I would vote for him because they're ugly. Though that's not the point what Cuomo she has. Arya changed her mind about Cuomo because he's got the nipple bars. What makes you think that's true? Because there's a picture in the Internet told me okay. He did this. Live thing and you could see his nipple piercings. Wow that's so. It could have been photoshop but it looked very convincing but it's the Internet and that's what I'm saying. It's you know who knows what's true anymore. Be still my beating heart. So the I've been seeing a lot more stories in the last week about the winter we gonNA break up here and we're going to be able to get out and you know the plans for letting people out of their house and all that stuff and I tend to think that that means that what what's that doing. It's telegraphing that we're going to get out now. I don't know how or why things work that way. But they do. What trump is saying for whatever it's worth that he wants to restore the economy. He wants to put people back to work and he wants to tell governors to lift their bans. And of course they're upset about that. The Constitution doesn't allow you to this but the constitution didn't allow them to shutdown business in the first place so they rejected the constitution and now they want to run to for cover basically to protect them against Donald Trump when sadly donald trump seems to be wanting the same thing that I want and that scares me has definitely been on the move recently and there is no more secure. Investment Historically micalizzi been helping people take delivery of precious metals and find storage options for decades. They've helped thousands of investors with their precious metal. Ira's call today for your Free Portfolio Review at eight hundred five two five nine five five six or download. The free report online at I see a gold silver DOT COM to learn how you can double your gold and silver ounces even within an IRA eight hundred five. Two five nine five five six. I see a gold. Silver DOT COM. Free Talk Live is now on more than two hundred radio stations. Nationwide we've had more than eighteen million podcast downloads and we claim millions of listeners a month. We're a multi media ad venue with print email web and terrestrial radio marketing platforms. We strive to have add packages that cater to advertisers big and small. Contact me today. Marc freetalklive dot com to see what we can do for you. Market FREETALKLIVE DOT COM. If you're a local advertiser contact this station but if you can service a national audience contact meat market FREETALKLIVE DOT COM. Bitcoin DOT COM has launched a trading platform at local dump BITCOIN DOT com allowing you to buy or sell bitcoin cash via dozens of payment methods. Like pay pal then. Mo Bank deposit remittances or meeting in person with cash. There are no ide- requirements to sign up for and use the site and all communications between buyers and sellers are encrypted finally at Global Trading Platform. That respects your privacy. Visit LOCAL DOT. Bitcoin DOT COM get started trading. Bitcoin cash local DOT. Bitcoin DOT COM. The next generation. Wallet is coming from Divvy. In just a few taps you'll be able to send earn spend an exchange digital money in seconds. Send money around the globe with only a swipe instantly exchange between divvy bitcoin and Fiat right in the mobile APP and withdrawal directly to your bank account divvy already offers the first one tap solution for earning passive income with Crypto multi-tiered. Master nodes allow everyone to partake in the network visit. Divvy Project DOT ORG to v Project DOT ORG. The Free State Project Has Reached its goal of Twenty Thousand Liberty Lovers who've pledged to move to New Hampshire and get active to achieve lift in our lifetime. Perhaps you're trying to figure out what part of New Hampshire should be your destination. If so consider keen you'll find more than one hundred fifty reasons to move too keen at move dot free. Keen Dot com keen is famous for its historic publicity generating activism as well as being the liberty media capital of the world. It's home to freaking. Dot Com New Hampshire's destination for Liberty Activism News and opinion for years. We've been compiling over one hundred fifty reasons to move too keen at Move Dot Free Keen Dot Com. Where you'll learn about some of what's happening here. And what makes keen a great place to live? If you love liberty you'll probably enjoy anywhere you end up in the Shire but do your due diligence. I please visit move dot freakiness dot com for the full list of over one hundred fifty reasons to move to keene. That's move dot free keen dot com. Some of you asked. And now we've delivered L. R. N. Dot. Fm's live keene. New Hampshire studio shows are now streamed in hd on twitch visit our channel at twitch dot L. R. N. DOT FM and. Give it a follow. If you have Amazon prime you get one free subscription on twitch if you use it on our channel two which will give. Fm monthly piece of your prime subscription cost. So please watch follow share and subscribed to twitch dot L. R. N. DOT FM that's twitch dot dot. Fm is oral health. Important to you if you don't like your own teeth. Fresh breath or kissing people by all means. Stop listening several years ago. I met Jessica Armand Founder and CEO of Magic Mutt. And I became passionate about the product that she created and Never WanNa live without it it's clinically proven to whiten teeth. But I find it does much more. They want you to love my magic mud as much as I do. So they're giving you a money back guarantee plus twenty percents off go to my magic dot com and use Coupon Code F. T. L. Twenty at checkout magic mud dot COM F. T. L. Twenty. You can sign up to receive the latest about the Liberty Radio Network. Vr email updates updates dot L. DOT FM. That's updates dot L. R. N. Dot. Fm This is Free Talk Live Talk Radio that you control you can call and talk about whatever is on your mind that toll. Free Number's eight five. Five four five zero three seven three three in which you tonight it's Aria Conan and mark and the next generation wallet is coming from Divvy. In just a few taps you'll be able to spend earn store and exchange digital money in seconds. Divvy says you'll be able to send money around the globe and only swipe and instantly exchanged between divvy bitcoin. Fiat's right in the mobile APP and which are all directly to your bank account. There's no need to wait though as divvy already offers. The first one tap solution for earning passive income with their multi-tiered master nodes which allow anyone to earn by supporting the divvy network when new while it launches because of Davies relationship with Western Union. Divvy will be in more than two hundred countries including the United States. You can learn more at differ project Dot Org Sti D. I V. I. Project Dot Org. Now we're talking about resistance to the state in this decrease here and evidently there is this so-called try by demonstration. That is happening in Michigan. I don't I don't know the date. We haven't gotten that far into the article yet but the plan is going to get into their vehicles and they're coming to try consume get round going to keep the economy going to keep the gas industry alive when all the gusts that they could guzzle down yet. I have not seen any indication that they're actually going to get out and like walk around the capital or whatnot or go go into city hall. Just GonNA drive so I don't know I don't know what their streets look like. Like Mark said earlier. There's plenty of people driving around right our particular neck of the woods. I don't know how bad it is Michigan. So it's a it's a show of force to support it. I'm not saying it's going to be successful. But if done if if they're lucky it'll show some force so let me tell you a very successful situation that occurred here in New Hampshire that I happen to be part of One of these BUREAUC- one of these politicians that for whatever reason just thinks the teacher's Union is the greatest a group of people on Earth and wants people to not be able to educate their kids at home and stuff like that like. I don't understand what they think but whatever they clearly exist one of these politicians got in there. Put in some bill that would Highly Restrict homeschooling in the state of New Hampshire. It likely never had a chance to pass and this is probably been ten years ago if not more and I went because I think the time we didn't even have a kid so it would be more than twelve years ago but maybe we had a baby. I'm not sure anyway. Jack was quite young. If if not yet born and we showed up there and my God the amount of people who showed up now bills come and go to the State House. Nobody shows up. They get mad that things change this that or the other there were hundreds. I don't think thousands but hundreds of people in the State House lined up for every opportunity to talk. I mean this lady ran out of the room and disappear in the midst of her. The committee hearing And I'm talking about you. Know MOMS with kids descending five kids descending in height lined up hair combed You know nice dress you know. They're already so they can sit down and they can talk about house. Homeschooling benefits their life or whatever it is and this politician runs away because this was the worst idea that this person had and this show of force this reaction to this bill just kicked any opportunity for a homeschool bill took it and just threw it in the garbage for a decade. They brought anything out since. Then that would even remotely be as restrictive as this thing and it's been more than a decade. So yeah if you could get like all the streets of what's lansing capital of Michigan. I have no idea all right. Let's presume it as you tried to get me to memorize these useless facts and things when I was in school but it didn't stick They made me learn to spell them on top of memorizing them. So that's one of those things anyway so I'm looking lansing and Trying to tell my story at saint they could clog the roads around the state capital for three blocks. No one is you. But no one's using those roads right now if politicians WANNA get out when they WANNA get out when they want to get in if they're even there there probably at their homes doing their Their their distance Tubing well if if they can make a show of force that begets the cars and trucks quite a show of show of force. Probably more impressive than fifteen thousand. Human beings assembled on the lawns of these State House. Or whatever if they were in the same room with this woman mark. I agree with you because she wouldn't be able to handle it but not sure that it's going to. It's going to affect her as much as the lead of the legislative. You were talking about. What are you sure? I mean so so circle wherever the governor is I you know they need to go to her home. They need a circle around her home and take tar and feathers with them. I don't know where the I don't know where they intend to go. And I don't end what they intend to do. But the first thing you do is show the force. You don't immediately go there and set the governor's mansion on fire. You give them an opportunity to realize that they The people they represent are unhappy. And there's enough of them that it's an issue so I think it's an endless cycle. I think this is just so. Is setting the governor's mansion on fire? Don't think that that's a solution to anything. I didn't say that I said Tar and feathers signed tar and feathers. I mean you know I I don't I would never burn out a good home. I couldn't even if it was someone I hated. I presume that you're happy to expensive to rebuild. Exactly you're saying tar and feather in the sort of theoretical sense as opposed to literal sense. Where we you know char people skin from Hot Tar? Well it would be warm. It's gotta be warm warm if it's bubbling mill. If it's melty bubbly that's I'm not saying disfigure the woman but definitely make a mockery of her by the Glee I can see and Conan's is as he says this there's it's coming. History is replete with politicians that have ended up on the wrong side of some You know a group of unhappy mom the whole and we don't have less government as a result. This is also true. There is a police officer in India. Just had his hand hacked off. Problem Not solved yet. Ref arrested all of those seven fugitives which they were labeled even though they're probably just guys trying to sell food Sniper GUYS UP ON THE BUILDINGS. These seven are probably. We're probably never going to hear from him again. Yeah it's better to just have everybody leave their house at noon and go stand on the street next to their house and start yelling or screaming or doing something holding up some sign that they want to be out Something the issue I have with this is that you know. They're staying in their vehicles. Be because they want to maintain social distancing sure and I think that by doing that. They're reinforcing the idea that the government is correct. Wait wait wait wait okay look it. I don't agree with seat belt. Mandatory seatbelt laws. But I wear my seatbelt. Okay so I don't I do I. Do I wear a helmet when I read bike to right and the reason you do because you wish to preserve your life when do not expect to live to area fifty okay? Problem solved So yeah I try to solve problems not saying well for one. You make the road less safe because if you do get an automobile accident he gets catapulted through your window. You can't control your vehicle so I would say that You know the issue of safety of other people but regardless I wouldn't make it a law that you had to wear a seatbelt but I'm not going to stop because the government makes it a law that I do. I probably would stop just because I made it a law because to me. It's Kinda pointless humming the odds of a seatbelt. Saving you in Iraq there are substantial right yep but the odds of being in a wreck like that are also where I see. This is pretty low. Do Save lives never whole bunch of stupid risk that I'm taking sure but I don't like being restrained eight five five four five zero three seven three three remember when you first heard about bitcoin. How long did it take you to realize this little project would soon change the world so you? Kinda wish you had gotten involved sooner. Well now's your chance to be part of the next revolution in money. Inter coin is working to finally make crypto go mainstream it's designed to be scalable enough to support everyday payments and even elections without the state. Bitcoin was originally supposed to be a peer to peer cash system. The way we would all pay one another without having to trust any third party but instead over time it mostly became a store of value. That's because every ten minutes. The bitcoin network must put all transactions into a block and that block can only hold so much. If crypto is to become mainstream for everyone to use it in everyday payments. We need a new architecture. One that's as secure as bitcoin while being far more scalable checkout enter coin dot org to find out more and maybe pick up some of those coins for yourself this Michael Dean from the Freedom Teens. I've run websites since nineteen ninety-six and have used over a dozen web hosts in that time address hosting dot COM is the only one that hasn't broken my heart. Agra's toasting apptime and service is stellar and their dos. Mitigation is the best. I've seen that's important because if you tell the truth in this world you'll ruffle feathers and some people will try dirty tricks to silence your voice no matter what the haters hit us with. Agar's toasting keeps our websites online. If you have a mission critical commercial presence or world changing activism site you cannot tolerate any skulduggery so go with agress hosting dot. Com had a wordpress blog site. But you're not satisfied with performance up time or just Wa hosting WANNA pay with. Bitcoin eggers hosting specializes in high performance hosting with personalized service go to address hosting DOT COM. Click on the Button. That says get hosted. That's agress hosting DOT COM. There are basically two types of advertising direct response and branding radios great for direct response with its low cost listener ratio but audio. Can't be beat for branding which is a longer term endeavor you want to be the first thing that someone thinks that when they think about your product or service if you have a local business that you want kept top of mind in your community. Call the station. If you need national reach freetalklive got around two hundred radio stations. Millions of monthly listening sessions consumed suit all budgets. And if we don't think we're right for you we'll tell you email me market freetalklive dot com. So you've heard all three hours of the latest episode of Free Talk Live and you're still hungry for liberty oriented audio content. Did you know that we have another twenty four seven audio stream at l? Aren dot? Fm The liberty radio network airs. The latest episodes of some of the best liberty oriented podcasts on the Internet around the clock in addition to record content. You'll also hear live shows like free talk live originating from our keene New Hampshire studio so listen anytime at L. RN DOT FM. That's L. R. N. DOT FM. We have some good news. The indictments against Roy also worked in the district of Maryland were dismissed with prejudice meaning. They can never be refiled. This is especially good because those indictments contain the only charge ever made that Ross engaged murder-for-hire this was a serious allegation at roles. Outbreak denies it was never prosecuted or ruled on by a jury was trumpeted by the Federal Government. And the media. As if it were proven fact the Maryland Court held these indictments for almost five years. Poisoning Ross's caisson leaving him under a cloud of unproven allegations as explained in Ross's appeal to the Supreme Court. The fact that the judge used these allegations to say draconian sentence of double life without parole violated his sixth amendment right to a jury trial. Judges are required to issue. Statis- based on conviction decided by a jury not unproven allegations never even charged at trial. Although this is a positive development that dropped indictment will not set. Ross free now. A presidential pardon is Ross. His only hope freedom sign the petition at free. Ross dot org free Ross Dot Org. What's up next? Visit the Liberty Radio Network Program Guide to find out at shows dot L. R. N. DOT FM that shows dot L. R. N. DOT FM This is free talk live. Talk Radio that you controls you can call and talk about whatever is on your mind that toll. Free Number's eight five. Five four five zero three seven three three and with you tonight. It's Aria an CONAN and mark. And what are the expressions? I'm hearing a lot especially in mean form on social media as quarantine when you restrict the Movement of Sick People. Tyranny is when you restrict the movements of healthy people. I disagree it's still tyranny. Even if they're sick. So what if it's Self Corentin? What if it's something that you agree with? Can you can will let gazette corentin considered. Well Abia thing yes that could also be thing self tyranny. Yes the people who people who love suspiciously like Self Rape I. There are plenty of folk out there who love being held down. They love the boot on their on their side of their face as long as big daddy is telling them how to how to handle their business handle their affairs because they're just you just sheep and they don't know what to do. They are completely lost without big daddy. All right so I'm GonNa make a state masochist and I guess mescus exist understand that I am taking to some extent a devil's advocate position. Here a God in a world where you have a state one of the main roles in fact I will go so far as to say the main role the main most useful role of that state is to deal with a crisis during a global pandemic now first off this is not a global pandemic. This is the test for the Global Pandemic Ladies and gentlemen. This is when the kid pulls the fire alarm in the school. There isn't a fire just because there's an alarm okay and this so you don't think the Covet Nineteen Israel will obviously it's real but I think the flu is real too and a bad case of the F- The covert ninety. One cannot make a realistic claim. The Cova Nineteen as at this point had any effect greater than a bad case of flu. In the more tests they make have the further down. Those numbers are going and that statement that I made I made is not even radical if you consider the flu of nineteen eighteen which wiped out like some large sixty million. Maybe like a whole bunch of people some large number of people that while coronas not going anywhere near that wasn't even going to touch it anyway. So had corona let runamuck unchecked. There is no conjecture that would do anything like that so anyway. My point is that if a state that this is in fact a useful action of an organization that claims the power that the state would claim. Is that libertarianism? Doesn't have a good solution for global pandemics and you. You and Ian have both made statements like I don't care if this was ten times as bad as it was to be so that is not exactly comforting to the average person out there. That may not be a hard line voluntary. I if you get my drift and which which make up a majority of the population by the way and our listenership I appreciate that. It does not sit well with them but their discomfort does not inhibit my right. I think it'd be as comfortable as they want to be. They don't get to tell me what to do right. And this is the point where morality which you have the moral position you have the moral high ground. Okay and I'm seeing that to you but if there's enough people besieging your moral high ground you will lose it and from a practical standpoint. There's just no defending now. I will still have the moral high ground. They'll just kill me on that high ground. That's correct he will die. Your blood will soak that moral high ground. And that's just that and we're not going to give into mob morality though simply because they have the numbers. We're dealing with with a small group primate here and there the way that they deal with fear you can watch it you know. It's it's predictable and the fears been whipped up in whatever manner it exists and so you just got to kind of be like. Hey everybody stop jumping around and go. Ooh You got to settle down. Everything's GonNa be fine. We're going to be okay. This isn't as bad as you think. And then right after you get done talking to and they go back in the house and he turned the news on nowadays is designed. I mean if they could put a map up of You know the West Coast is on fire. These coast is under water. You know hail and thunderstorms and tornadoes. That they can put everything on the map at once. They would those people sell fear and they don't sell they don't sell you sell it to you. They sell it to advertisers. It's your ears. They're selling see. This is why I think. Our methodology is superior. Where just a minute ends up. We're not just saying. Hey this is. This is totally blown out of proportion. You're going to be fine. We're out there living at. We're demonstrating that is going to be fine. We're giving them something to believe in besides the media reports about hospitals having to pal bodies in the hallways you know they really shouldn't have to see you ian at at the central square in your night calls all they need to look at our all. The the the the workforce out there who aren't coming down sick yet as a few here and there we have one of the CVS employees has gotten sick but I mean Gullickson CVs overwhelmingly Walmart has not shut down. Their entire. Workforce has been working this whole time. And we're all the sick Walmart employees. We're we're on the line when I went where all the sick guests gas station attendees. They're still open. Look at all these businesses that are still open that are have and they're not having any difficulty they might have one or two people might get sick and usually they're the elder. The elderly like is what we're seeing in the numbers for all we know we're all sick all of essential employees eggs because the what is the word. I'm looking forward to the virus in you for quite a while barrier carriers not that the incubation period run a virus is not exactly well known. Well that's then it's going very mature seeks right so at this point we're operating on speculation in two weeks into the sorry. We're taking a month now right. Almost want Some places well it depends on how you quantify and what you're saying the starting point is I decided to leave Sipe Pan a prior to any locked down. Because I'm afraid I was afraid of an interstate lockdown by the way they stopped all flights going in and out of through an agreement with united so we give no good but I left on the twenty third of March and now it's the fourteenth of April. So I've been back three weeks and it depends on what you call it but basically self quarantined that entire timeframe. But I've been self quarantining for a decade now so it's nothing new to me. We're not running around trying to shake people's hands so I would say that it started here at least with so new news. Stay at home order or the closure of the bars suggestion. Yeah well well. They bars closed. They were closed. And I tend to think that even if they didn't close that the state police or the local police still wouldn't be busting into the bars to shut them down. I think they would just be ticking. Everyone who came out of that bar ain't got into a vehicle no matter how trumpcare because it. Because they're they're not doing anything. So what else are they GONNA do? We found some some are open for the state of New Hampshire to make people afraid of the consequences of going to a bar than it would be for them to actually enforce this order by shutting down a bar. That's why the sex shop here is still open. I would agree with that. It's just not worth it to them to actually be seen here in New Hampshire as shutting down a business. I don't think they wanted to do it. You might be right on that. That's not the case in places like New York and California. No were they would gladly send police or in India where they gladly send in police force people to obey right shutdown vegetable market. Yeah and it doesn't matter if you're six feet away from people. It doesn't matter if you've maintained distance doesn't matter if you have a mask on it doesn't matter if you have gloves on. It doesn't matter anything. We shut this on so you can take all the precautions you wish for with your life and they still tell you you've got to do the thing you've got to do. I mean the notion that they're shutting down beaches I mean sunlight and salt water are disinfectants. So being outside at the beach shouldn't be a problem. If there's any shouldn't be a problem if there's anything about this Corinthian that doesn't sit well with me. The most is the whole act of going into an enclosed your and and living out your day on the same stale air. The best thing you could be doing is getting outside going to the beach getting vitamin D interacting with other people working on your herd immunity. I mean the worst thing you can do is lock people down right. You go outside. In the Sun Structure Clothing it kills off. Whatever corona might have been on your clothing that you didn't know otherwise going out in the sun is healthy but none of these? Doctors are talking about living a healthy lifestyle. They're talking about. We need to find the next good vaccine. It's GonNa save all you dumb sheep and the doctors and nurses are still getting sick despite all of their personal protective equipment. Eight five five. Four five zero three seven three three. When you have a pain in the neck a real pain in the neck back shoulder or legs you now have two convenient choices to get fast relief without taking another pill because now sunny bay heating rapson pillows are available both Amazon and Walmart. Yes see sunny bays four and a half to five star customer reviews on Amazon DOT COM OR WALMART DOT COM or made in the USA microwaveable. Heat wraps eatable neck pillows and extra large body wraps designed better for perfect support. Where and when you need it even while driving Sunny Bay wraps will not burn and stay. Balanced provides soothing. Hot or cold therapy to help treat temporary or chronic pain and the best part. Sunny Bay quality products started under twenty dollars join thousands of happy customers and see why sunny products have a lifetime one hundred percent positive rating on both Amazon. Nfc It's easy. Click Amazon or Walmart and search today for Sonny Bay attention all radio listeners. Who still need food supplies? If you thought about the implication of food related supply chain disruptions and are concerned about the coming quarantines. This will be the most important message you will ever hear. Here's why in the next few days. All Americans will face extremely hard choices. If we've learned anything from China and Italy it's the quarantines and enforce lockdowns are just a few days away here in the. Us listen while dehydrated. Food is becoming scares. You can still get enough open. Pollinated heirloom seeds to grow a one Acre Crisis Garden. The truth is growing nutrient dense vegetables in the days ahead may actually be the single most important thing you do go to survival see bank dot com and watch the new video to understand the nature of the threat. This could be life. Saving lockdown can last from six to eight weeks get free bonus seeds special quarantine reports to go to survival seed bank dot com. That's survival seed. Bank DOT com a hot no murder craze sweeps Chicago. Things that shouldn't be said in modern society are said fourteen hundred times at the RMC and a brave woman enters a restaurant without first looking it up online. This is the onion week in review the World Wildlife Fund quickly backtracked Thursday from a recently released press statements saying panda ears are quote absolutely delicious organization. Officials noted that while PANDA YEARS DO TASTE. Amazing braised steamed fried or cooked in an Omelette. They should not have announced publicly nor should they ever eaten any part of a Cheetah giraffe or Bengal tiger. No matter how good they may be. According to company sources the Netflix Board of directors held a ten series of meetings earlier. This morning to decide whether the fantasy comedy Michael is stream worthy aboard reportedly sat through. It's mandatory to back to back screenings of the Nineteen ninety-six film starring John Travolta. As an angel visiting Earth all well passionately arguing over the film's story acting and level of enjoyment upon subsequent viewings to determine if the movie should be available through its instant viewing pro graft onion news network. If you want to know the latest about free talk live before we go on the air. All you need to decide is how you want it delivered. It's your choice visit. News Dot freetalklive dot com to receive are usually weekly news. Updates by email plus. We have a twitter account at twitter. Dot freetalklive dot com and you can follow us on the decentralized mastodon platform at toot dot freetalklive dot com so please follow us to Dot Freetalklive. Dot Com and sign up for our emails at News Dot Freetalklive Dot Com. What do you shop for that you could otherwise by at Amazon pretty much? Everything Right Amazon has competitive pricing and they deliver and that's a big plus if you could plan ahead and you're shopping. Would you be interested in saving up to thirty three percent? There's a catch. You have to do your shopping in Bitcoin. But imagine those savings. It's like a huge raise. All you have to do is go to save it. Purse DOT COM. We've saved thousands and you can to plan ahead and save save at purse dot com join the dot. Fm Discord a four live chat twenty four seven at discord dot dot FM. That's discord DOT DOT FM This is free talk live. Talk Radio that you control you can call and talk about whatever is on your mind that toll. Free Number's eight five. Five four five zero three seven three three and with you tonight it's oriented and mark and we're talking about the corona virus and upcoming protests regarding the government's actions in response to Corona virus. This operation. Gridlock. We're just we're just talking about a few. I think that in the next in the next couple of weeks. These are going to start blowing up because people are going to. They're going to hear about this one. They've listened to us talking about what's going on here in New Hampshire. And then you got the you know you guys talk about your nightcap. Every every week but when they see this Michigan one I mean this week was great. We got fifteen people out there. I mean that's a small number of people but it also wasn't really a a protest. It was just. Hey we don't care what the government says. We're going here. We're going to have some drinks guys. Look real chill got you got good photos people just kind of hanging out and recently. They had enough people to actually be illegal all of them but the first one have been illegal by the numbers. How many were there? The first one I think had nine. I doesn't indicate how many how many events where three okay three and so the second one. You kinda the Hobo in the The pavilion because I don't know that you can count the Hobo and make that a legit number now I I would agree okay. They don't know if anything. The Hobo was worth like five people. He's a walking cesspit. Hope was trying to sleep in these people come. They're making noise around his new house so with anything all right so now he's now he's ten because now he's all he's GonNa be spit on. You didn't get up and do anything. I don't think he was trying to sleep. He was just like hanging out by himself by the way Mark Office. Space that you haven't seen I have not seen off his nineteen ninety nine. Okay now I guess I don't have much excuse why I can't I just haven't seen it. Well we were talking about deocracy and Aria actually broke down and watched it. I just wanted her to watch the first ten minutes but I watched the whole thing and I thought it was silly. I'd agree with her but she thought it was derivative. It doesn't stand up. It was a good movie. It doesn't stand up. Stand up office at all now. Office space was brilliant from start to finish. I believe that is true. I haven't seen the one where they're trying to get. Somebody elect Pedro Either Napoleon. The stupidest a waste of time. Is this a movie for Seventeen potheads in two thousand one okay and for the and for snowflakes house? My daughter loved the hell out of that. She was watching it like once a week for a whole year. Oh my God so once and I didn't get it because I was not a seventeen year. Old Pothead I was like I don't understand. Why are people talking about this movie? It's the dumbest thing I've ever seen because I didn't laugh at any point during this is completely stupid. It's that weird. I don't even know how to describe. The comedy that was coming out in those years is a weird strange. Who who's the Guy Gal Gadot Galloping? His comedy is kind of strange weird quirky staring at you. A whole minute comedy. And somehow that's funny. I don't get it yeah. I wouldn't even call it comedy. It was a movie about some nerdy kid trying to more than he was if anything. It was a trauma based on how unfunny it was me. That was the point. Maybe well you know. Every generation is just basically route revolting against the previous generation so whatever. We thought was epic funny good to go made sense the future generations. They'RE GONNA they're gonNA know you with your suspenders old man. Okay boomer. I wish I could put a pot up. The living years well was younger than the people who enjoy to Napoleon dynamite so it was actually a reverse this me making fun of them and their nonsensical sense of humor. I would say you're definitely a little probably a little more mature than your age. Group period stopped and that probably had something to do with it so anyway operation. Gridlock is happening. And it's where these fifteen thousand perhaps more perhaps less vehicles are going to descend on you correct lansing the capital of Michigan and calls a gridlock. Apparently five hundred sixty eight thousand Americans have been affected with Covet nineteen which sounds like a scary number but we don't know what percentage of the population that is. We don't know what level of illness those people experience can calculate very easily. It's about a half a percent I'm sorry What no what percentage has been tested And therefore like what if everybody's got corona because everybody's GonNa get Corona according to what we've been told up to this point about what corona is. There's you know. There is no plan afoot to prevent people from getting corona. What all they've said is we're going to flatten the curve. Meaning that they were going to try to prepare hospitals for this influx of Bodies that was supposed to to glutton so they brought in these mercy ships in these tent hospitals and all that stuff that are sitting empty. Okay five hundred and fifty seven thousand confirmed cases as of today. Twenty two thousand one hundred zero nine deaths dacoven but that doesn't tell the percentage of people who have covert that are likely to die like well. well. At least I have the. It's not a Harry. High death rate pointing point seventeen percent of Americans have been infected point zero zero Ben infected point. Zero zero seven percent of the population have died right. So that's very insignificant a- At this point yes We still don't have good enough numbers because the people who are being tested are more likely to have corona so wh- I haven't been tested and I don't believe myself to have corona so you need to have a sample portion random sample portion of the population and test them rather than the self selection thing where I keep on having a dry cough. I better find out whether I have corona or not And then the the hypochondriacs and then the people who are being wheeled into the hospital. Ready to die Any all these sorts of things everybody who dies from corona has been tested for corona everybody a dis from flu like symptoms is getting tested for Corona. But the people who aren't dying aren't sick aren't getting tested. So you still have a warped number even with US microscopic situation. There's microscopic Infection rate. Yeah so Alex Berenson a former New York Times reporter who has been sounding the alarm about what he believes are fought mar models dictating. The aggressive strategy drew attention to the protests in North Carolina as well as a social media uproar in Michigan so from North Carolina to Wyoming to here in New Hampshire to Michigan. People are protesting. Oh Yeah it's going to blow up. It is certainly people can get the idea to me like. Oh wait wait. We can do that way. We're allowed to all that makes too much sense. Let's go let's do it in a state started facebook Facebook group or whatever you know whenever social media use and when that's the best thing about this. We're not allowed to do it. We're not allowed to protest right now. There's nothing in the law specifying the. Hey it's okay together in a group of fifteen thousand as long as you stay on your vehicle. No that's still a gathering that breaks the capacity ward along with. I mean they have they get the idea that we can do this not that they can legally do that. Are WE'RE GONNA? We're going to get permission from some stupid governor to do this. They're going to see what's going on. I can see what other states are doing like. Oh Wow those states. Really don't have control over their people we can do this to. Let's do it and I applaud. I applaud anyone who will will stand up to To Big Daddy government getting stupid. Now I tend to be I tend to disagree with protests. Generally but You know I mean I support. The people are going to do it. I just you know. Most protests are an annoyance. People tend to hate protesters for whatever? Reason sign holders. They just hate him and I don't know what the reason is that they they hate him. But you know in some cases I find that The protests in fact makes the situation worse not better and I I will have to concede that people who just ignore the long ago about their lives if they do it in a large enough group they have a lot of success so I don't have a solution on how to fix the problem but I have been living like the government wants us to live now for a long time. I tend not to go out of my house. There are days that I just don't leave it. Why would I want to? I have everything I want at my house. My House is nice I think a more successful protests would be just all of our restaurants in all of our Bars just open back up. Well tonight just to get all get all in the same sheet of Music. Get all together and say. Hey look we're gonNA. We're GONNA open up next Monday morning. And then to hell with them I ev. It's just one of its stragglers doing it one at a time. That's when that's when they'll pray they've been preyed upon. It has to be a large enough group the Walmart and Disneyworld or both talking about scanning people's temperature before they come in As I UNDERSTAND THERE WALMART DISTRIBUTION CENTERS. That are already doing foreheads. Scans and they can. They'll deny your access. If your temperatures of one hundred or more registering people you sound like surface temperature lasers and things like that. It's it's it's certainly not the best system for finding out of something has corona. But it's a fast one. Yeah they just. They just walked back in the barbecues section and get the little little temperature sensors well all it really tells him whether or not the person has a fever. Sure it doesn't really tell them whether or not the person has covered nineteen so it's silly but it makes a fever it makes makes people it makes fearful people feel better about the situation all look at Walmart. Look what they're doing. They're keeping a safe. I'm going to shop at Walmart. I have been putting off going to Walmart all weekend because I heard these horror stories about the lies. Refuse to be treated that way. Sandy loans. There were no lights today. This is free talk live when I adopted her. She was a mess. Scabs lick missing for hot spots. A thin all coke so I take the dog to that two standard run-of-the-mill tests and treatment no results here your advertisement on the radio. I N. O. V. I T. E. DOT COM so five. How mocks dynamite and the lickochops within a weeks total instead of German shedder have a German shepherd? She is a hundred and five lean pounds of shiny smooth happy dog for life because she gets fed. Dynamite and the results are just incredibly outstanding and she loves it. When you rescue dog you have to do the right thing. You've got to feed them right for life. Do Design of dinovite for happier dog will be five nine. Four eight one thousand. No VIP DOT com looking for a great real estate investment. Consider New Hampshire which is Ground Zero for the Liberty Movement. Your first call should be to mark warden from porcupine. Real estate is more than just a real estate agent. Easier New Hampshire concierge. Where are the best places to live? Do you want farm city the burbs or forest do you WanNa do. Plcs are multifamily buildings. So that Renter's pay your mortgage their homes in all price ranges in New Hampshire and mark and help with financing to invest in liberty and property mark warden can help keep on real estate com ELORANTA. Fm now has a discord discord is a free text and voice chat platform and we now have our own server with a bunch of channels at discord dot L. R. N. DOT FM. You can join other listeners. As they chat about various things during our live shows or anytime day or night discord softwares available cross platform. So you can have it on whatever device you want and take your chats anywhere. Join our discord at discord dot L. R. N. DOT FM that's discord dot L. R. N. Dot. Fm. You're listening to the heartland newsfeed radio network broadcasting live twenty percent of my newsbeat. This stream is supported by advertisers and contributions by follow us on facebook twitter and instagram. This is the liberty. Beat your daily source for local news and activists updates produced in partnership with the S. and ls network and listeners like you online at SNL s network DOT com. I make Murrow with your latest edition at the Liberty. Gold is trading at one thousand six hundred twenty eight dollars silver at fourteen dollars and forty one cents and Bitcoin is trading around six thousand seven hundred dollars. Today's gold silver in bitcoin branches brought to you by brave botanical high-quality cranium and CBD at reasonable prices with excellent customer service. Ray Botanical is activists known and mission driven the liberty and Bray Botanical. Believe so strongly in the power of freedom. We're giving it away for free. Just go to liberty DOT news slash. Recreate this is the liberty meet at SOS Network Dot Com in the news. According to a new report from the New York Times Americans bought nearly two million guns last month as the country. Slowly went into lockdown activists reports of the second highest sales numbers ever seen in the US for firearms surpassed only by the January after President Barack Obama's reelection which was also winning Sandy. Hook shooting occurred and while more guns were sold in January twenty thirteen. The numbers are actually extremely close with roughly two million gun sold during each time period. The data used in the report from the Times was based on the number of background. Checks reported by the FBI. So it's likely that the actual numbers or even higher because background checks or not required in every state the FBI has been tracking monthly sales in the US since one thousand nine hundred eighty eight this week us. President Donald Trump included gun stores shooting ranges and firearm and ammunition manufacturers in a list of essential businesses. That can remain open during the lockdown apple. Wonder where we find all the news report right here on the liberty meet visit. Snl S. DOT news to get the world's most sensitive media published all in one place. Save yourself from the endless time. Spent searching for reliable punitive media. Snl S. News makes it quick and easy no ads. No CLICK BAIT. Just Roll. Headlights twenty four hours a day visit. Ask Dot News and get informed today without the corporate media. Spend your news now continues. There were dramatic scenes at an airport in Shanghai China as US agents hijacked a plane full of life saving equipment including sixty million masks bound for virus-stricken France while the plane was on the tarmac American agents manage to bribe locals into diverting the plane to the United States plying them with cash men press news reports. It appears to be an isolated incident Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau revealed that he had received similar reports of goods being seized and taken to the United States. Brazil won the. Us's most loyal allies also broke with convention to criticize the trump administration's pandemic gangsterism. President trump spent weeks claiming that the virus was a liberal hoax intended to dent his credibility then downplayed the seriousness of the problem before changing tack and blaming China for the thousands of dead amid State Kobe. Nineteen outbreak around one hundred detain migrants at a private for profit. Prison in Farmville Virginia have collectively gone on. Hunger strike demanding their release on medical and humane grounds. Men Press news reports. That's according to sanctuary. Dmv A volunteer organization helping immigrants in the Washington DC area phone lines to the dorms have been cut and visit have been suspended. Inmates claim that one dorm is under strict quarantine. The move comes in response to the inaction of Attorney General. William Bar detainees at Farmville had sent him a letter March twenty-fifth pleading to be released but they received no reply. Support for the liberty is brought to you by the homestead you room. The homestead guru is an educational website offering tips tools. News Stories and commentary on everything home. Standing hobbies include green homes gardening. And we'll husband drink yourself home remedies alternative energy. Survival is on schooling and more those details for found online at the homestead docu room. This is the liberty beat Howard by the S. and L. S. network at SNL S Network Dot Com. I'm MIC murrow reporting for the liberty. Being reminding you spread liberty with a smile ins with the ailing networks failure to perform basic tasks such as routine mental health. Evaluations and emergency counseling. Patch the education system. I don't talk but they're never going to decide. It wants to get better in other news. A new study finds that more men are opting to be in the room and their wife conceives their baby. An area man is unaware all of his friends think of him when they want to put things into perspective and three doesn't chemical and emotional responses activated by the phrase pigs in a blanket. Guess who's the Onion News Network? This is free talk live. Talk Radio that you control you can call and talk about whatever is on your mind that toll-free number eight five five four five zero three seven three three and with you. Tonight it's Aria and Conan and mark and the government is trying all sorts of things to prevent to flatten the curve as they call it. But they're not the only ones apple and Google are devising a way of creating contact tracing APPs that would use bluetooth technology to monitor whether or not you've been in close proximity to someone who has tested positive for corona virus at the moment is worth pointing out that this is considered a voluntary APP for now. This is how the.

baseball director United States Mr Monk Lanigan SAINT LOUIS president Debbie Jimmy facebook Vernon Kay Simpson Jimmy Dolan government Illinois White House Lloyd Bacon Simpson Saint Louis Fda federal government