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2001 Week 13: Patriots vs Browns
"This is Christine Brown. And while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty. You have the choice. Not My sons and of course Michael sometimes say some naughty things trying to be funny but really just being stupid. You still want to listen. Go RIGHT AHEAD. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the pages dynasty podcast. You made it to week thirteen. Well we have not sure anybody's listening anymore. But we have a special guest with us today but before we get to him. We have Mike and Greg on the show tonight. Snow Steve. How're you doing? Fantastic darn well. I should let one at a time. I knew better or graceful also with us we have Connor Ireland's who to me sounds like a name of Conor McGregor in an off licence. Mma game but I assure you he's not connor. How's IT Goin'? While I think my name kind of sounds like someone who grew up as an Irish kid who's cheered for the patriots for burned tire life back during the The Ben Coates drew bledsoe or those other guys. There's other guys guys huge fan fan grant back in those days. I don't know at Greg Remembers this. 'cause he's just a one but The Boston Globe used to do a poster of a specific player every Sunday night and no one had been more than coats posters on their walls Than I did so Greg Fuck with me when you can remember. Nineteen ninety-six is. I know I can't hang them up at market basket. That's right yeah coming on the market that states every every Sunday there is a little poster in the back of the Sunday globe a specific player and I used to cut them out in ate them on my wall so I think I had those up in my walls to remember those honor of you ever seen my scrapbook. The kid who had the the the Patriots shrine in his bedroom for in series. I scrapbook this wholesome. Let me guess you're patriots? Shrines started in. What two thousand three two thousand four do pre Brady? Yeah I scrub. Brady's first start he did so. Don't come at me so two thousand two thousand one got it. Yup All right so now that the Dick Measuring contest is over. How about we get to this. Football game boy. I didn't even join the Dick Measuring contests you would you? Would you like to Chime in? About how big your patriots tickets? This later all right So this is like we said earlier week. Thirteen of the two thousand one season the Cleveland browns coming to visit foxboro stadium with the gratuitous shots of Gi field in the backgrounds. Browns were actually good for the browns. This year I guess come into the game. They were six and five which was more wins than they had in the previous two seasons combined where they went to wins and then three wins. Unfortunately they would finish the season. Seven and nine missed the playoffs. Typical Brown chip well. It aircraft is so great. You know what did he win? A Heisman. The great white hope for the ground. Well they were talking about him. As what the heisman winner or something in this game but yeah. This was still this pre crisis. Was Tim couch couch. Yes sorry he. I felt so bad for Tim Couch in this game. We'll get to that in a bit but he he struggled. He was sacked fifty one times a season. I think yeah. We touched on most sacked players in the league history. And I'm pretty sure this was on that list in the top or twenty whatever it was some seventies on what's his face was talking about as far and away car. Yes yeah yeah expansion on yeah that's true. Yeah so head. Coach was Butch Davis which is fucking fantastic name. An never beat. The Patriots Path went to an against him. Some other notable coaches on the same though. They're actually like some who's who of future hair coaching failures. I thought the offense to Bruce Arians is probably the most successful of the mall. Yep head coach Carlo five years and is now currently the head coach of the buccaneers him of James Winston fame. I like clarity. I think he's a good coach. Yeah but wasn't he the guy that talked about like USA drink paint as a kid that make that up? I'll stab check. I feel like there was some quote about him. Somewhere about emily eating paint chips or like drinking picked. Bruce Arians said on serious today that he had to get his stomach pumped twice when he was younger breaking paint so not once but twice twenty seventeen. Yeah I thought so. Secondary coach on the team with Todd. Bowles the old jets head coach. Remember him and we liked plan against him. The pages were eight and one against todd. Bowles coach jets teams. What happened on that loss I don't know I've taught my head but my guess is probably like a week. Seventeen three year. Backups in Game Yeah. He's alright yeah well actually no wasn't that Todd Bowles Who was jets quarterback after After Sanchez I think like the Virginia or Virginia. Tech Guy What's his name was. Quincy Carter is not Quincy Carter. Gino Smith thank you. Yeah yeah she knows Smith Aaron. Having John West Virginia. But who's okay it's enough. Yeah so I think that was during those days and those one game where Gino Smith just went off randomly and beat the Patriots. That was point that one. I think I'm assuming that was todd. Bowles 'cause I mean. They've had a lot of dark moments. But Todd Bowles is one of the darker ones And then the secondary coach was our old friend. Chuck Pagano in History Right. Yeah it was because he is the swinging gate fake punt. Chuck Pagano Right. Oh yeah okay. The greatest play in special teams mystery. Oh so hang on was taught. No and I was hoping that Todd Bowles was the coach of the Buffalo Game. But that's can you hear me? I can hear you now. Yeah Okay Yeah I just I Just hopped onto my zoom meeting. My my air pods are connected to the zoo meeting. So we're locked and loaded continue. We'll leave that in fuck it. That's what I'm saying So I I took a quick look at the. The roster of this team tried to put together a list of people that even like you may have heard of and only two people that. I'd heard of Tim Couch and Phil Dawson the kicker the other names. I didn't recognize you. Don't Remember Gerard Warren. The the defensive linemen that played for like twenty seven years. You don't remember earl little the safety then it's north ring. A bell. Sure his Bellary Kevin Giant. I had no idea but he was great. By the way I just want to point this out I have the zoom APP because I use it for work every time Greg Talk. It says Kelly Brown when he speaks. Yeah so I just I just want that on. I want that on record Greg Greg you know what I'm I'm a modern man. He actually took her first name and she took his last name so they both Kelly Brown. Oh Shit that is. It's fucking me up. Every TIME GREG talks it says. Kelly Brown is speaking. And you know it it makes sense. I did recognize Corey Fuller. I think but I don't know if that's because you had a good game in this game or are you thinking of the wide receiver Corey Filler. That was actually on the browns a couple years ago That could be a two. It's a different corey fuller. Yeah apparently Jomar Miller was like a pro bowl for seem all pro linebacker And he looked the part but still never heard them. Don't remember him and one is just A. Who's who of just failures in terms of Brown's defense this is what bothers me as a guy named Wali Rainer. That had thirteen tackles that game. I'm upset that I have never heard of a guy named Wali Rainer. Nope none of these guys. Because yeah I'm putting all the league. They're leading running back with James Jackson. One never heard of two. He finished with five hundred fifty four rushing yards never heard of him either leading rusher on this team are the reason why is because of the whole relocation. Yes so yeah because that just happened recently. The new Brown's new Brown's resume play in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine two years back into their brand new. Yes is essentially. I can't believe so wait. I CAN'T BELIEVE. Bill gave up on a franchise like us. It's really mind. They gave up on him. Yes I did. Give up on him. He wanted to stick around. Yeah did you hear how it went down? I think so. I've heard a few different versions of what you've heard. So belichick makes the playoffs right now. woman five the next year. They're like it's week five. Enacts when art modell he like decides he's going to announce that they're moving at steam the middle of the season right right Lou team croissant on the season. Of course they wish beans at year end. Dumbbell chicks gone but then that also plays into the jet situation because people should on ballot check for bailing on the jets position but if people remember back then there was also an ownership change or was at least rocky because they didn't know if they're going to sell the team and so. I'm pretty sure Bella check into WANNA be a head coach for the second time and then have the T. Movers from Jenky crap happens so you know it looked pretty bad but if we if we look back at history I think it's a you know understandable moves and I think you can also point out the fact that the last coach to take the Browns to a playoff victory is still to this day. Bill Belichick true beating our New England patriots. Actually in that playoff game. Imagine imagine this podcast by the browns long. We should START THAT GREG. Bowman you browns on Brown's that name can just go back and just shit on the round starting in two thousand one. Thank you got the name of the PODCAST. It's called Shit Brown beauty that not in Santo that imagine being a browns fan near like you. You WanNA start a podcast. This one I was like. Oh my God. There's so much longevity. You start with Tom. Brady's first game and you have nineteen years. It's like we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA have a podcast forever you do the Brown Like well we're done all right. When do you even start with that? Thank thanks for coming back. You guys want to cover some of those nineteen sixty Jim Brown games. Let's go blame anyway. I would be would be tough to cover because I don't think they had. Tv back then to find video that you can't look this up but imagine Jim Brown breaking a tackle of one hundred eighty pound linebacker that you've never heard of the visual part time mechanic while also playing for Auto Green Lost Four year twenty seven. This is sounding better and better by the second nine Brownstone Brown's I'm telling you wait for that spin off. I can feel it want something. That's how we expand our audience. Andy absolutely yeah. The browns fans and patriots fans there to audiences ripe for the picking ashore. Not that I think there's many browns fans left probably but I don't know they do need a boost for those left all right so maybe it. Maybe we'll bring our massive star power to the browns as well. I can't wait by the way anyway. Browns go ahead. This is just a side note. I got Text confirmation tally Banta. Cain is ready to join the PODCAST. Starting in two thousand and three so we have some ground on makeup. He did tell me that I would be allowed to ask him on air. How Big Tom? Brady's Dick is so. Can we get two thousand and three as soon as possible? I have some things to ask us all right. I like this guy. He's Riggins a big table here. I've got some questions asked tally Banta. Cain about Kelly Brown actually fell. Yep So yeah we definitely have to have him on the podcast from the rumors exactly. Yeah if he knows what was it called the credit cards credit cards flight. Yeah Okay so. We'll tease that for fucking two seasons from now. Christian for a so that Tom. Brady's nickname was driftwood. Tommy and I wanNA know what exactly he means by Driftwood. Like what are we talking here? Yeah that's kind of ambiguous. You think that's GonNa come out like when Brady retires because it's soft and smooth. I don't I don't think breaking news Tom. Brady's Dick is the size of a log that had been out at sea for three years. What they call that that big Dick Energy is that what it is. It's true. Yeah yeah he's got that big Dick Energy seems that way I'm along cock. Greg dresses him for for Halloween. Really anatomically correct. You've got all right. Speaking of speaking to big dicks. Let's talk about. Let's talk about a boy tim couch. I feel like we should probably start with him. Because for some reason I remember seeing highlights of this I think is like when I was putting together the website and all the highlights are basically tim couch getting just absolutely the shit kicked in. It's the fact that he survived this football game kind of surprised me can couch running for his life. He went twenty four twenty nine twenty thirty nine in this game first. Pass attempt like to set the tone of his game. Second play from scrimmage drives back and I think it was tedy Bruschi just puts his face right in his chest as he's throwing the ball and turns into adopting gets picked off like literally second play the Game Jones without exactly went downhill from there. It was not great and then he actually had one drive. That was good and he got all the way down in the first Corrigan. All the way down and then threw a touchdown on third down but even got overturned though. It's just not his day. Well I don't know if it was necessarily his fault. Because they were part parts of the game and is looking like Steve Young around slinging it the problem is is that he was getting smashed in the replay. So it's hard to tell if it was like his faults or in the line didn't help for sure I don't know if that guy ever got like a fair shake in his game I don't even know shaking career know exactly when his bracket by an expansion team I overall right and then you five years in the end up only how crowded games and five season all at the brass so he never even got that like every you know first pick overall boss always gets at second third fourteen. You'd never happen for him. That's crazy I never knew that. It's true aisin. Also he was responsible for one to four turnovers in that game. Three picks and a forced fumble a My boy to Bucky. What a NAM by the way donahue responsible for that though maybe he recovered the fumble. I'm sorry you're talking about smoking John. I thought you're talking about Tim Couch Couch. Come couch was responsible for four turn. I mean he was involved in four turnovers in that game three picks and completed the past. That was fumbled. That's what it was to Bucky had a pick and a forced fumble in that game was ablaze because North. Korea literally got knocked. The fuck out as he was like Africa hot the ball. That's so bad I love it. I should've should've cut anywhere but north. You're absolutely correct for a second there. I thought you said self cut and I thought that was what I thought know but the guy is trying to make plays so of course every once in a while it's GonNa sail on them or whatever but I mean he was pretty much the only playmate you're on this deal. They had nobody. The there was nothing because I mean even one of those interceptions he hit the Guy Straight in the hands of just bobbled it and it was picked off by which defensive line while pleasant ended up with the interception. It was it. Was Anthony Pleasant. Yeah for probably his only ever interception of his career. I have to guess Stech. There's there's so many there's so many names on this path defense that just God I fucking I love those early teams in turn like Anthony. Pleasant work we'll get to Roman phifer later Maybe the mobile under. Maybe the most underrated Patriots Defensive Player. Like the early two thousand. There's some great. There's some fucking great man Patrick Pass. Who's what our full-back had three tackles in that game. God He must have just been doing work on either kickoff curve punt pass special teams yeah and patching pass again pleasant queer such to allow your sacks I mean. They seem defensive end but he didn't feel like a defensive end. How does this still happen where you have like your three main linebackers? And they're all they all have like ten plus tackles in a game. Does that still happen in the NFL or on the peaches? 'cause I'm looking at Roman Phifer Mikey braids and Teddy ice cold and they all had ten plus tackles in this game and its like. Does that even happen in the NFL anymore? When you have three linebackers on a field anymore with how spread and things are like you'll have to and then you'll have like a an extra safety. Come down in the box or something like that. You know like Atra trunks on with a an extra d beyond their Roman Phifer was definitely one of those like hybrid outside linebacker. Like an Elvis. Do More like Duma bill or you know like not a not a traditional linebacker especially in today's Day and age but I'm looking at it right now and it's like Pfeiffer Bruschi in eleven sort of that sort of free hybrid. Yep Yeah I did catch the when. You're talking about underrated players on his defense. They the commentators at one point like all I think. The most underrated players on his defenses. Tedy Bruschi I thought of all the people you can defense. I don't know if he's the one I would've pulled out but maybe he wasn't referencing that he was like a Use a backup before there were injuries so I think he he was under it in two thousand one two thousand one and he probably wasn't underrated underused linebacker on the team. He probably didn't come into his own. You didn't start seeing like tedy. Bruschi throwing up the snowballs during the Snow Game. Like into like the two thousand and three thousand four was two thousand three two thousand four era Tedy. Bruschi wasn't like an everyday starter glow above them on the depth chart until he got. Yeah thought I thought until I'm just looking up right this second statue now. These and ninety nine two thousand both years he had one hundred and eight tackles arts so these I know but I mean that's what I thought too especially the way that we're talking about him about his young up and comer but I mean he'd been on the team since ninety six apparently. Yeah didn't start many games until ninety nine we started. He started fourteen games on then sixteen games year year or the before and this one. That's weird you're right. They were kind of almost like they never discovered them. I mean to be fair the Patriots were obscure anyway so maybe it was just that they were getting a little bit better and they noticed him. That's what I'm thinking. Yeah I mean I will say Tedy Bruschi man. I don't know if there's been another linebacker that just flies around tackler. No tackle usually not tackling. But he's flying offscreen to somewhere and I've never seen anybody else doing like him. I think that's one of my favorite things to to remember from from these teams. Is that that picture of Tedy Bruschi just running at like on a blitz inches running at the guy running back that steps up to to block them. You just lose tries to jump over every time clip in the legs but still just like his body hurdles into the into the quarterback and inches knocks them over like feet fire. Some bullshit all right you guys have two seconds to respond what position where did Tedy Bruschi to go to college? What position did he play Arizona? Yes he he was a tight end though wasn't he? He was the safety. I'm pretty sure don't quote me on that but a- ITS ON AIR ON RECORD. I'm sure he was a safety and Arizona with the point being though he's massively under size he's always just been a fucking bowling ball. Hey apparent six one to forty seven which not huge for I mean. Well I mean nowadays linebacker I think of kind of gotten smaller in general because they have to be quicker but in this two thousand one day and age where everybody was just bigger in general it seems like I mean you look at the tight ends of these games and they all look the same size of Rob Gronkowski. They're just basically an extra hands. Everybody lowered in like just a little bit. Yeah the game wasn't about speed. It was about size. Because didn't them. Then Bob parcels have some common about He he built big teams because as the season goes on fast teams get slower but big teams never get any smaller or something like that also probably get slower so this is true but they started slow so it doesn't matter so closes right the size. The size never changes. I guess that's true. The best part cells quotas about being able to pick the groceries when he went to the cowboys. Like you like. I want to take the groceries and I couldn't. It's like Amen. And that's one thing about bill that's why never leaving the pats. Bill gets to pick the groceries in fucking Robert Kraft signs the checks. Bill builds his fucking like obscure team where people were like. How is this going to work? And it's the same way that this isn't going to really blow your mind. The same way her brooks built the nineteen eighty. Us Olympic team that built the Russia's like how is this going to work? And you gotta you just gotTa Fuck with division. You've gotta fuck with vision and that for you to have a system. Yeah that's I mean. I think that's a surprisingly apt analogy from and what that quote was about You know he parcells upset because he was forced to draft Terry Glenn and speaking of Cherry Glen. This season nicely done a hell of a segue actually finally played in this game The Boston Globe had articles that? We like the whole thing was. Will he actually play or not? 'cause they settled their differences or some bullshit and he was kind of healthy. But did you actually see? They showed the clip of we talked about it last week before about the interview that he gave where he basically said Yeah I'm hurt because I'm not getting paid and I'm not GONNA pay from. I'm going to be hurt. Sort of bullshit right. He said I did want to be part of the Patriots. Yes D I D did. Because we're his outfit on. That was phenomenal. He is style you so had. He had the corn rows. Which I'm assuming we're thing back in two thousand one. I'm just GonNa Guess Stylish Manso ever heard of Alan Iverson. Andy Young Man. I'd say that corn rains where thing back in two thousand and one. I don't I don't follow Alan Iverson's hairstyle career in terms of times when we had one we only had one. That's that's all we ever had. You had the corn rows and then he had those like. I don't even know how you described the sunglasses. Almost like clear reflective sunglasses that were like wraparound sunglasses. Let's honor the dead Terry Glenn and his son have Passed onto the afterlife. Let's looks Not Be too disrespectful. But you're not talking about this in the past but you are correct. What a waste of talent. I'll just dive in right now. Terry Glenn what a fucking waste of talent. He could have been so good. I mean he was good. One is on the field. Yeah you just feel ninety six to ninety eight. He was probably like a top ten wide receiver. He caught ninety balls as a rookie. Yeah one hundred yards. What year was that Kelly Ninety Ninety six. Yeah those are super bowl year right. The first one was. Yeah yes he does. He gave drew bledsoe a weapon. They went to the Super Bowl his his playing style matched up with Jews. Perfectly because drew was so in love with his arm and he just did like the whole he just did. The whole like fucking. Terry's down there somewhere and Terry was like you know the perfect Terry would just be going long and drew would just hit them. But so similar to like Tom Tom Brady and Randy Moss. Or you've seen the. Eli You see like the ally manning beam whereas eyes are closed. And he's throwing the ball and he's like fuck it Ob Yeah Manningham down there somewhere. Exactly Joe flacco jump bulge saying exactly the same idea. Joe FLACCO is best. Play was throw at deep. Get the defense of the past interference. That was by far his best constantly. Oh absolutely or lead bowl like body someone right. Hi Okay so we thirteen thousand. What do you think was the game changing play in this game? I think everyone probably thinks it's the same one but I I have one. That's in mind. I just WanNa hear what other think. Well I'm a Troy Brown stands so I'm going to go with his punt return touchdown and that's the that's the only answer one thing. Well I was going to jump in with a play but the the two minute drill before the half was human drill as well play. So I'll give you that but I I loved watching it. I think it Set the tone for the second half yeah if NFL FILMS. Doing a turning point. I think it could be either of those situation agree. I agree one thing that sticks out to me like that's just a glaring difference between the two thousand and and like today it's football lawyer Malloy. Maybe our best overall player. He had the game changing block. That Free Choi Brown up for that punt return started to start offensive players ban on punt returns anymore. I think that's just like not a thing that happens anymore. Patriots minutes always been like that for them. I think Bill Belichick had had been. I remember seeing something one of those like documentaries of the Banou Abell checkers off season. And they were talking about how he did the same thing in in Cleveland on the browns and had like average top and at one them like a whole bunch of gains literally on a walk off punt return for a touchdown at one. The game like that was part of his philosophy from day. One some stat from this year about how they were like paying special teams players. More than wide receivers. Yes like guys only special teams like Matthew Slater and I think that's kind of like the evolution of having the stars on there too like literally just trapped and guys who are starters on special teams now but I think that was my point. I feel like you just don't see it you know. They haven't tire personnel changes when the punt return when they know the teams ponting and like I was just reading up on it. It's like Richard Seymour lawyer And I think we're all out on punt return and you know what could have been a major driver behind out. Do you remember when Gronk broke his forearm on a fucking extra point? I was just going to bring you. Do you remember I in garbage time. And he's been. I think he'd probably still wears that. Fucking robot's saying on his arms. He's not even play. I don't want to say that it was the major driver behind it but like I feel like early. Two thousand just a whole different animal. You had your best players out on your punt return on our country. Turn to add to your point. That wasn't a nasty Laura Malloy blocked but then Richard Seymour. Like you mentioned was out there. He blasted the kicker on my best watching six foot. Seven three hundred fifty pound Richard Seymour. It was basically just just walk right into the Punter and the guy just falls over and he's been hit by a truck was away like I didn't do that. He's actually got his hands up as he's doing it and the guys still falls over well perspective that go ahead. No you go ahead Mike. I was just going to say to put into perspective like game wise and correct me if I'm wrong because I slipped up last week. So whatever at this point who is like Ten ten in the second quarter. I think it was like four minutes left. And the Troy Brown punt return touchdown for eighty five yards eight at seventeen ten so it was definitely a turning point in the game for those. That are curious where we're at this point but go on car. No I'll even add on top of that. I think that we got the ball back at happened. We scored right at half. That part return actually turned into a sizable to score. Lead and by sizable to score lead. That makes no fucking sense. Because you're right you're right. We got the ball back at half. I'm pretty sure we scored after four. Half right right sorry. Did they get the ball in that too? So yeah so. After the punt return the browns like drove straight down the field in like three plays and then but then tim couch through pick to Terrell Buckley and then the pats they had the ball in their own like twenty or thirty and with like just over a minute left but they actually drove down the field instead of the commentary. The commentators actually made some comments about how it was a whole different philosophy Kaz patriots in the past would have just taken a handgun. Halftime of the page sexy drove down the field. Madame military field goal with like a couple of seconds left. So now they're up ten points going into into the half up twenty to ten it's actually able to. That's what I was thinking. Is Definitely foreshadowing that greg it's a minute seventeen. They have it on their own. Thirty yell football baby anywhere. And then they got a big task and Troy Brown sets it up and then it's almost like the sleep. Shame interim can I dive into that? Cliche even more. Maybe I carry was the best player on that team. Obviously GonNa fuck and drive down the field no matter how much time is left because he wanna put the ball in your best players. The best player new teams hands. And that's not saying that. That's that's what bill ballot check dude. That's what Bill Belichick was saying. Semen saying admitted. Terry Adam did. It was the best player on that. I swear to God that is a direct and this isn't doing that year. I'm talking about years later. Bill Belichick thinking back to that team. He's said not direct quote. Terry was the best player on that team. So which is interesting because even missed two kicks this game. Yeah I also what is true and and he hadn't been nearly as consistent throughout this season so far as I remember because when you think of Adam Terry of him just never ever missing kicks and always making the big ones but this season especially. I thought he hasn't been who are him to be I? I'm pretty sure from this week's fourteen. I don't know this is not a absolute stat. But it's close from week fourteen on. I don't Know Adam Terry missed the field goal the rest of the year. Might maybe one and this is a million and this is the year that we went on the win. Our First Super Bowl I sorta. Maybe it was not as cool as week fourteen but I sorta he started a week and he didn't miss a field goal the rest of the season and he was the best player on the school connor. I'm interested in your take as we talked about this in a previous episode before. But so you're saying that. He got pretty automatic as the season but obviously was struggling in the early part of the season. Same thing with Tom Brady. He had his bumps and bruises. There are some perfect games and then so far. We've seen some kind of Ducks thrown in In all that and bill's philosophy at that time was right. Those guys right Yet faith in them. I think nowadays. You'd have a little bit of shorter leash for the same scenario with a guesthouse gear like some other guys. So what are your thoughts on his departure philosophy or is it the same philosophy in on this reading. I think you're right in the middle because I don't think it's Harry. I think from I think week fourteen thousand one. Maybe the rest of the rest of his career never had as bad of a stretch as statsky has i. Don't you remember those games? Mike Andy Greg Win. Have you like a kick like a thirty five yard field goal during the era? Where you ever like. Oh my God I'm worried that's missed. Missed those over and over again. He's so like then. It's Harry how to run where you knew no matter what. It was automatic. Forty to forty five guards automatic. He hit most of the fifty plus yards but forty forty five yards. You could just like go. Get SMART Chips and dip like you knew he was hitting it 'cause Southie you're like are we going to lose this game because he can't take a forty yard field goal in a dome like I'm telling police units the what Mike Mike. You're also right though. 'cause I bet. checked philosophy is the exact same but. I don't think he ever got to the point within Terry where he needs to start bringing in these fucking journeymen kickers like you. Do you remember Fucking Bill? Belichick having fifty seven year old more than Anderson in for a tryout because Harry was fucking unreliable. No that's true but yet they haven't had chicken. They haven't had kickers in because Gutowski unreliable because he was hurt. Yeah but how now man was he hurt for three seasons Viteri? Extra point has been added career after week. Fourteen thousand one granted it was from what twenty yards twenty five yards terrible at all. He actually has missed some. Yes during this. Dong during his during his dominant run at the pack. Yes which one one two. He missed three in one. Two three five years connor from from the two yard line the shortcake's guess what he's Ugo percentage wise in two thousand and one being. Greg think asked me what does field goal percentage was two thousand and four. Just answer the question in two thousand one the year. We're talking about two eighty percent car kit eighty percent that year. That's not great year. Give Small Brain Syndrome. You only remember the kiss. That were big. We make how many how many socks Harry thirty attempts thirty field goals. And he made twenty four of them so name a kick ass kicked attempted over forty field goals and has had a better percentage. No I want I terry best year. Not Two thousand one when he had a rocky start to the year. Andy like both brought it up. He went on a run after week. Fourteen and was the most reliable person team. Okay you want to hear that eight yards in fucking three. So he's not clutch. Eighty three point sent Gutowski. Eighty seven point. Four percent. Interest is more accurate. Technically kicker without a doubt. Yeah but conner's point though it's the eyeball test because if you remember. I hate to bring this up and we'll talk about later but season right super bowl. Arrays half right before half ask you was given an opportunity or there was an opportunity to kick Bella check decided to go for some bullshit fourth and twenty or whatever it was instead of going for the kick and I'm I'm sorry but it's the prove your point. Connor Viteri past the eyeball test. Well he's more clutch. We can agree on that. I like yelling all know Andy. All the numbers for every statistic earned slated. Now it is the score points league. Do we're talking about two thousand and one on return. Brady Tom Brady. Tom Brady but how is kicking changed on unity of anything? They're lower because they move back the extra point kick back. There hasn't changed outside of the the extra point rule ever and you know what has record of consecutive extra points kicked in a row. Yeah Kathy with like five hundred. Seventy something warmer could rookie year. Two thousand seven. Not a bad part doesn't six two thousand six. Oh I'm sorry I'm sorry we're not talking about totals here. We're talking about percentages right accuracy. So so you're telling me the Tom Brady Randy. Moss welcome Walker days. Then put the kicker in a better position Position to hit field goals. Then the Tom Brady fucking seventeen for twenty six no touchdowns two hundred yards and a couple of like game winning drives where Adam Venit Terry hit the field goal dude. All right sounds good point in this game alone. He's right I can't disagree In this game alone to be fair the majority of his kicks that were attempts. Were around fifty yards. Tom Lang Com Brady threw fifty touchdown in two thousand and seven. I don't know how many touchdowns total the you gotta add in fucking rushing touchdown defensive touchdowns special teams touchdowns. Tom Brady was in the fucking red zone all game long stuff. He had the easiest job in the game. I'm telling you then a terry with early pre ACL injury. Tom Brady was kicking. Forty plus fuel goes all day long. Southie was in like the thirty thirty five rain with the occasional forty and like the ever day magical record. I don't mean Betas. I've been watching the past the nineteen ninety sick. You were talking. You were a bucket twinkle in your dad's I in nineteen ninety six. I had been one patriots since nineteen hundred same age. Your was a year a year off. I'm a year older but I know like his cognitive ability like he probably didn't really get the enjoyment of the Patriots until the year after that which is why I'm interested in the twinkle in your dad's I if you'd like to talk about that for a little bit or or perhaps we we go back to the browns here. I know people are fascinated by our kicker talk. I'M GONNA figure out the numbers on that all right back next week. Unless I'm wrong then I won't I mean Game Wise I will say this is a weird one because it felt like both teams were kind of just mucking around You Know Brady has mistakes. Nothing was really like solid especially in the first half But the somehow made it work anyway but throughout the game no matter how you know one side sucked or another. It was pretty close to the end which is surprising to me because it was so sloppy. Yeah they were talking about. How the The browns were like plus eight on the season terms of turnovers like turnover ratio. People people. Forget to earl. Little was with a Stud Earl. Little was a study with a safety for the browns Gerard. Warren in his brown days was a minute on Defense. Like th there because they had a. They had a good defensive. Names do any other show. Which makes that number even crazier. Is that in the previous two games for this. The browns had lost eight. Fumbles in those two games. Holy Shit yes. It's minus eight and they're already and they're still plus on top of that dude. It's crazy though. They said up to this point up to this week at twenty five interceptions in thirty one overall takeaways. That sounds like a Shipton. Yeah that's like one of those defenses that you expect to see the top lead people talk about but because their offense was so bad they'd still won six games and and you know the the commentators again kept coming back was like this is how browns games is their defense keeps a minute and then they were talking about the the Cleveland. Browns bend. Don't break defense which was hilarious. But then hopefully the somebody will make a play at some point. Which Brown's the defense did they scored the only touchdown the was it a picnic or a fumble. I think it was the pick six. That was Yeah it was. Brady's Brady's I passed. It was a fix. It was a lob. Grab no Etowah Corey. I agree with you Andy and then I think about some of those cuts defenses and I was a big been. Don't break I always like when people are like the past deepens me so bad the thirty second in the league and I was like a big bend. Don't break defense guy yards vs points for putting a fifty points a game. Obviously these offenses are going to accumulate some yards and maybe score points a point or two because they now have to throw fifty times a game even try and keep up and I was like I was writer. Die On the bend. Don't break defense so watch it. Oh Yeah I think most most of us weren't listening to these guys talk about that. From the Cleveland browns standpoint. It was though yes recently. I remember the first year didn't feel like that was and you're like all right. Now they're playing Was like so refreshing to like watch a defense like place. Yeah kind of like this. This defense has been doing all year. There's another one defense but I just the the level of violence it. I thought this defense brought to pay as kind of shocked me compared to what we're used to these like all of these. Steve Brown's before to where you every play you Li like that's that's probably a penalty this nowadays like every every is it. Is it though because I was looking at that man? Like one of the best hits I've ever seen on tim couch delivered by Bruschi like knocked off and that was legal. Man One hundred percent and it's a lot of these heads man. It was like shoulder pads. They were just. I don't know if they were more eight hundred idea. I think a lot of it is the defensive defenseless receivers stuff now. That was not a thing back then. And that's a lot of that in this game. I really agree with Mike. Mellow I think back. Then because it was way more violent you had to play smarter and you had like there was more. I don't know how to explain it. There was more shoulder to shoulder tackles back then when it was more like violence actually more. I don't know feeling in people's and defenders especially are so frayed to play defense because everything has a penalty. Now they don't know what to do so really they're just trying to like knock the guy's head off and just hope they stop them detonates because they don't know what's legal and what's not anymore that's defense hasn't been getting screwed. Probably the Oh seven Brady Moss when they were like all right. It's all about offense the defense it's also say. Oh four when Peyton Manning? The colts got the rules change. Yeah so that's when it was four. Yes I said I said. Oh seven because I thought we did it better than they did which we did. Well I think that was Bella. Check sway as being like. Hey Fuck you. You won't change the rules okay. I'll explain that one instead. And that's exactly what he did anybody else get any Game Score Yeah. I haven't mentioned the final score any of these games. I don't think yet there. It is good yup stack. I will say though man like like I said the pats were comfortable for a while. Brady was just off now. Two credits tends credit. I mean he had the composure. Do I just keep going. And he didn't fall apart. You know but there was no manning face on. Brady's face doesn't get rattled. You'll throw a pick and you'll come back. And they're they're pointing it out that that Who's the offense coordinator Charlie? Weis would would come out and the next replays. We've got chuck it but not even just like short passes like I want you to chuck it down field twenty yards like they just seem to have full confidence in him. Actually doing what he needed to do. Dividends crazy because it was it was twenty ten and this is one of the worst interceptions I've ever seen Brady throw giving. You might have been getting like bledsoe tips. A little bit too much during Brady basically a Lonzo ball as he's falling forward and both of his legs legs are almost off the ground being grabbed by like defender so he throws this nasty pick. They end up. That leads eventually to Brownfield going. It's twenty to thirteen just like that. Yeah by the Way Mike. That exact play it was third and long and did you see Tom. Brady's quote in the paper the day after it's you'd never hear him well. Luckily uploads all the newspapers Like you can send you are a psychopath dude. You don't know is actually print these off and have them up on my wall my bedroom with the with all the pins connecting in this looks like the wall of like the war room and in the CIA. There's like all these strings with fucking tab. That in but Tom Brady in the CAPER goes sometimes. I need to stay in there and take more hits. And he's talking about its third and long he's like it's better basically to get hit and take a sack. Then do what I did on that play. Which is that was the horrible interception. You're talking about. Could you imagine post tear Tom Brady when he changed the whole mindset on health and what what's important obviously it's pliability? It's IT'S PLIABILITY I have obviously. It's all about pliability. But she's like I need this. I need to stay in there and take more hits. That's just not something you would ever hear. Post two thousand seven. Tom Brady ever say and just kinda speaks to how different his mindset was and honestly how different game was. The game has changed. So much like quarterbacks. Don't get hit the way Tom Brady got hit back then and east fucking tough as nails. He's he's one of the toughest ever and I'm done talking the podcast but that makes sense. I mean this funny I like. I'm a Brent Jones and Gus Johnson Guy. I mean we talk pretty frequently and you know. I don't think there's football or not football this week. Guys I think I got most of it. But but Jones goes when he say he. Oh he said a player's name wrong and then he was like. I'm so sorry it's actually this Harkening back to my playing days because Johnson. Ha Six concussions. I understand and read Joseph. What was your name again? So openly laughing about concussions. Back then about the fact that he was six concussions while definitely a different time. I don't think I don't even think that after him was even a thing. C. T. E. Yeah Yeah I mean we've talked about the Talked about drew bledsoe. And how like when he got hit against the jets the first time I know talking to the the team trainer who was literally standing right there when he saw it happen and he's like Oh check them out for concussion but he seemed FIS. We put him back in the game and then like your day after all the players like yet he didn't actually know what play he was calling so we told him that he should be out there. Players actually sent back off the field because he was so bad back then. Yeah also by the way the announcer talking about how the night before They had dinner and kraft paid for everything and I was just wondering what else he paid for. Now see that's not right out. You're going to go with them. I thought we're going to go with It's a slight take on your ear. Football not football. It's a hall of Famer Not Hall of Famer. Ooh ooh Yes Brent Jones the I did yes sir was there. They were congratulated him because he was inducted into the hall of fame. And I thought you gotta be fucking kidding not another one but it was actually the division to hall of fame and Bay showed a clip of his his speech and It sounded a little CD. His Big Jake was the fact that obviously the division two guys are smarter. Because you know what we've got the playoffs and that was his. Bring Down House moment. Do you think people didn't know that drew bledsoe was concussed is because he was basically just a traffic arm A traffic cone with arms. Even when he was in I was literally big. Fan of drew. Bledsoe don't hey boys. I'm thirty three years old. I the peak of my fandom might have been during the buds days. I'm just saying he was a traffic cone with a right arm from his rookie year. Back Guy could not get out of the way I mean he. He probably had the work worse like pocket aware but he was one of those guys. His arm was so good. He thought he could make any throw on the field. I swear to God led so exciting swing past I was GONNA say screen pass regardless like. What is the screen pads? I like you know what I do. Fucking throw rockets. All over the. It's like this nice touch past. You're talking about now. Fuck that gun it in their amazing Greg. All right Greg Brown can probably statue listening to this. What is what is your role on this podcast. If you won't speak for fifteen minutes Greg we'll win you run your mouth slipping counterpart to get a word in all. Well Greg you're doing a fine job with the stats. I really like your brand name here and also Greg. Your your brother is against you. I told them when you guys were talking about Tom. Brady's looks and Gretchen. Cut In and said would you bang? It was laugh out loud funny and the fact that Andy didn't cut that up and put that on social media. Let's me know that he doesn't want you your career to take off so It's not on me. You can talk to Andy. I'm here for love of the game. You know I'm not here right. We'll city likes shares. All right speaking of banging and all that other stuff Aye. Let's try out a a football quickly on connor and see what he thinks So these things have popped up week to week because I just don't understand football and Andy Smarter than I am. Greg SMARTER THAN I am in Steve. Perhaps so I like to rely on them To give me a little knowledge so Brent Jones did say and I quote Saint L. has two hands on it and just couldn't hold on santee. I go had two hands on it and just couldn't hold on. What does that mean that football or football? I don't know yet to hands on it and just couldn't hold on online quite Brent Jones. Yeah Jones saying that. When was this? Is this like a day in sports and around the same time as week. Thirteen during the game. You just two hands on it. And I'm Kinda Hazy. But that it is and he just couldn't hold on so you know I think it might be is. He had two hands on the marijuana that he was arrested for. When was that in the paper? There was a mug right. You're talking about okay. Are you guys? Fucking? We're not we're not talking about the BROWNS Lineman Greg Andy. 'cause what you're saying is the Browns. Lineman Greg Robinson just got arrested like a hundred seventy pounds a weed and now you're talking to somebody who is saying. There's NO CYNTHIA. Way Who the hell in jail for this I would. I would actually clarify if connor shelter. Fuck up way. Oj Simpson is a different player in the in the Boston Globe. There was this tiny little slow little blurb they call my. I said warrants out for Santiago a warrant was issued in Pittsburgh for the arrest of Cleveland Browns Titan. Oj Santiago marijuana possession decree from kind deal report yesterday. According to the paper the warriors connected to the November Twentieth Arrest of defensive. Tackle Gerard Warren. Who faces a charge of carrying unlicenced firearm in his car during a search police found marijuana which they now believe belonged? San Diego so the foul right. So fact that San San Diego's actually to play in this game surprise me. But so my guess is was talking about the fact that he was trying to hide his his marijuana and He's trying to get both hands on it but obviously couldn't which is why. I the warrant out for his arrest that makes friends Brent. Jones is trying to be clever and like that old fuck and Corny. Dad like porn joke way. Yes and Geragos warn. You've seen his hair and I'm not stereotyping. Obviously he smokes weed. He looked like like Afroman's you ever heard his song. I end with added this out. All right insult Jerry but he looks like Afro Man. He's talking about the but it's not actually they actually look alike. Greg. That wasn't just a broad linear Snack that's all Greg on athletes. Chick logistic also say while he's looking Jones said we'll fork when he shaved. That is why it looks exactly like Vince will for I am dead. I'm obviously looking at pictures. Now look up Afro Man. It was happening. Just want to say he is also said and I know this is early two thousands and I don't know why he went. This way was during a kick return by. He was like. Oh this is gay at the five. And then he's taken down at the thirty three yard line. I don't know why you're saying that five five. I don't know that one I do know what is it because a kick returner and You you can't make this up. His name was Ben Gay. I don't know if he was named after the was that like the hot stuff. Oh Are you serious? So that was football. Yeah Oh Jones. But the topical Pain Relief Product Ben. Gay which because in soccer in high school. Everybody used to RUB IT in other people's Underwear Shit. So they're fucking. That's all I know never happened to me. I guess people thought I was to anybody. No I couldn't afford Ben gives you ever watch somebody do. It's anybody go home later and good too so I plead the fifth. His name is literally Ben. Gay running back. Wow all right well then. I Back Brian Jones story about people with last name. Gay just going Greg. Unh realized might be cutting this out to run away again on the soccer team in many fans but one game. I don't know where it was. They must have got a hold of like the rosters as their walk in if she cares as a kid on my team at gay and they just showed up and they were like where he's gay seventy pounds gay is. I don't condone any of this. This was your all by those. How did he think how do you feel about all this? He didn't acknowledge it at all. I mean like when you get to college right. I'm sure you've heard all of that. Oh Yeah Oh yeah yeah. He thought it was on. Yeah of course yeah did not know that. That's not good. That's well as I'm sorry. You have to listen to this connor. This is a shame. Well no it's not as creative as the stuff. Gregory would say during his fandom if you will went to a lull spinners game honestly brothers and dad and it was so the heckling was so bad that dad left us in and just drove home to find out. What did you say Greg and I'm I'm bracing myself well? He tried to. He tried to fight the mascot at one point. I think that was dad's tipping point. He was heckling mascot. Mall is not bad. Once I started drinking Greg Greg loves to set the fight and he's not one to finish the fight. I've noticed that about shots fired their greg. C C Eighty Buffalo trip. We've been on. You've got the biggest now in the entire group. He's a an addict anatomically correct size blowup of Tom. Brady Dick strapped around his legs. And he's walking around. Buffalo Telling People. I'm Brady Brady. This is an anatomically correct size of trump walking around buffalo and then people get kissed and guests who steps to the back of the line doesn't want to be a part of any of the physical altered case. It's Greg Crack. Why is it physical occasion over there? That's just good clean fun right there. Fun Dude he's this plane. His nickname apparently had some. I had some beers thrown and make like when I was can't wait was a nickname again. Something driftwood just would tommy. Yeah there you go this proof right there. My point being greg is I mean Andy. You know he's an all time shit talker. It's in the blood than the blood. Greg thing I you know Greg definitely got overseas. Besides everything Jesus Delivery Greg. Hasn't good delivery of his shit. Talk Steve's He's Witty Steve. Steve's a bit too aggressive on his his delivery I think I also must admit to the to the whatever listener out there that Greg does resemble a little tiny. Dan Don't do some Brady back. I know I know I now never mind. Cut that out to dry driftwood Tommy in that department. But he's gone Mike Brown's almost there. We're not talking about like facial structure right because I mean Tom Brady is infinitely no Greg. Brown looks nothing like Tom Brady. No I retract my statement. Then I probably. I looked like Tom Brady. Except I'm more athletic and I have a better looking. I like that. That's good. I just told my vote. My Greg. The better looking white. You're out of your pinball shadow. Kellyanne their smokes. Yeah can't more patient life. That's for sure I I forgot we were on a pug when Greg got I gotta y water bottle I lived like choke. It's fair game. She's shall we talk about the last big play of the fourth quarter to wrap this up. Yeah that's what everyone wants to hear the last big play of the fourth quarter game from two thousand and actually how about you this you do. How would you best and worse and Mike? You can start with your all right then play. I'm GonNa have the big play which is my best and then like a little best so the the whole. Iro Holy Crap. Best right with eight minutes left. Oh it was third down the Patriots There's a penalty for holding and at this point they were in their in field goal range and instead of pushing them back and making him do it again. The browns the climbed the penalty fourth down Get into a field goal formation. It's fifty two yard attempt and they hiked the ball. They catch everybody off guard. Viteri pooches it yeah. They snapped directly to vegetarian which I thought was an impressive snap. Yes I agree. I didn't even know what was going on at the play back like three times. What just happened but Yeah and then it was down by Jermaine wiggins with like a crazy athletic play at the one and I feel like that Freddie much seal the deal but you guys get yeah and I think Watching Jermaine Wiggins hustle forty yards downfield to tap the ball from going into the end zone. Like as he's kind of diving for it made me realize how unathletic Jermaine wiggins was I would love to see him. Invincible fork play one on one basketball. I think Wilford would toast them call. It wouldn't even I love. And he's he's a character and he's he makes some big plays in the snowball and such but and this is a list a phenomenal play but sing all of Netflix. You use like when we're talking about. How big these guys are tight ends? We're just like actual linemen. Who can catch this this Basically ousting of Jermaine wiggins when I said that well I'll also say since we were talking about kickers and punters in the past so Ken Walter this season I guess he was averaging almost forty yards a punt on the greatest. Oh they put it into Vinnie. Terry's hands it's pretty bad and it was the perfect punt. It was awesome all right so that was that was my best. I guess you could say and then other best of the game was a run up the middle by Mark Edwards which is not a big deal. Oh sorry man but Alex you take that one. I'll leave that alone. I'll tackle worst. Were so worst moment of the game and I hate this shit on these kids and it's probably the parents fault patriots fans with face paint and it looked like the French flag so I got nothing negative for that A. for effort but negative execution. Sorry stuff that's bad parenting with that shit. Parents which down parents are probably browns fans Jackson. Yeah those dead on you nailed it all right so. I'll go next because Mike tried to see him with under My best was Tom. Brady's physicality and so Mike was starting to allude to it. But there was as a mark Mark Edwards fullback dive right by the end zone and You know the bunch of pushing shoving somebody like one of the big defensive. Lineman tried to push him in like Benjamin half as Tom Brady came out of nowhere. And just shove this massive defensive Lineman who then turn around and realizes Tom Brady and start stopping towards him and I. I haven't seen Brady moved quickly away from somebody like even when he has the football but there was that but it was also the fact that they they ran that reverse again that they've been running with David Patten and Tom Brady was again. The lead blocker and he threw a legitimate lead block on this game. Did you guys catch this on? You might have been like a legal kind of buy. It was it was. It was a COUPLA that was legal. You guys less but I mean he. He caught him and it was like it wasn't even like it offends and he was like a linebacker was took the guy clean out of the play in. Even I think it was Brent. Jones was commenting about how it's going to suck to watch that tape. 'cause YOU NEVER. WanNa get blocked by a quarterback Tom Brady and then I think you can tack on what? Connor was saying about his comments after the game about how he should take more hits in the pocket. So just psycho psycho. Tom Brady is my best in. This game See my worst Will this game. I don't really have a real whereas but the this game had some commercials in it if you guys skip them or not but off my two favorites yeah I. Two favorites was a commercial for the palm pilot. Remember the palm pilot so that was fantastic top line technology and they were like three hundred bucks and I remember our mom having one because I think dad used to work for palm so he got some palm pilots for free. Mommy's love her palm pilot Ohio. It's yeah and that that that flame burnt fast and strong and real quick like a schedule calendar in there was a digital counter that didn't connect to the Internet and then the other the other commercial that I enjoyed was The one for Pepsi Twist Remember Drinking Pepsi Twists back then and think house hot shit. Yeah I agree surge though circles passing. Yeah but yeah because Serge. They actually came to our school and as school and out there giving it away to all of us for free which I don't do well to it. Yeah what is up with that free huck? Yeah of course get pretty weird man. When I was going to school like college. These pickup games. I don't know if you were there for one of these. Would they be driving around with like peddling like red bull and giving it away for free really like what is this representatives at call out free to anybody could do? This sounds suspect someone who can do a deep dive on this on Stefka. Greg give us your best the worst rules. You've seen Browns Jersey with a keep adding on all quarterbacks you visiting more whole thing and looking at all names. It's giving give us a quick rundown. Okay we got all coutts voice. Siyal all Trent dilfer Charlie while Ball Games than win Cole McCoy Brandon Weeden. Sad Lewis are three. Some great names on my worst was the Be that actually for Vocal Jersey. Which I have no clue. Why had that did we dare you? Had A Kelly Holcomb Jersey. Hoping I wasn't one of those bargain bin ones. I'd like and I make sense. Why would be insane as podcast went on? My Neil worst is connor state on kicking a loop back a little bit if you will ask career. Construction going on my worse is connor doing well fuck. He's doing the bathroom or I had my fridge. Door had been opened for too long and it was alerted me that get out of the fridge that asks making fuck out hot pockets over there making a making a chicken burrito with Verde. It's green hot sauce anyways. Thank you congratulations greg. Her for all your staff I know you were Tim Young. I know you were too young to comprehend the Games during the thousand and one but Adam. Venit Terry was automatic. And you never had to worry about them. I haven't been able to trust protest right back. The numbers don't lie. Your brain is not fully developed gear like a fuck instinct you just see one unit the redcowmn. Okay do you know how do you remember? Yes you damn right. It might be do. Remember the Games something you. I never worried about vegetarian from two thousand and one until whenever he left. I Bet I bet these old farts remember that to. You could always count on the terrier of military. Stephen Guesthouse has been missing bunnies. Maybe not the you know it is. Great is percentage is great because we score so often. Then we're in fucking scoring position all the time but he visiting also better at fifty plus dude. Let's be honest all right. Let's let's be honest. Stephen Guess Cassie was great until that year in the playoffs against the broncos where missed that kick and he's never been the same since all right so terry eager to you got. Is it that you that you go out of him the same since no? He was not right after that game. Man I mean look at look at the fucking stats do you. What do you want in their prime? And then a terry gets ASCII pride. Pretty want his middle. It doesn't matter owned my God. Would you hit the forty eight would get hit? The forty eight yard are in the snow. You know he wouldn't give me talking dude one name one big name one big kick. He kicked a fifty three yard. Beat the giants look at. What was that week seven week? Seventeen exactly oh come on. Yeah you you know you know and I remember that game exactly. So that's one. Does we had that kicked in the last three in nearly one ran randy had that long touchdown everyone remembers week. Seventeen and how? It didn't matter though. Not Not that game. Well I remember the other game that you might be alluding to with O B J and oh I'll kick it can't be in the regular season man. There's a big fat no fifty three yard game winner break. Who'S THE BARAK LIQUOR? I believe? It's the one that ballot check recently. Said what's what's his face from the Ravens. I believe John Tucker Mouse Connor. What's your best and worst man all right? So limited to Beth Album being talked about but talk about Mr reliable and plus I you guys. I'm talking about in the past. Two Seasons Games Very pedestrian like maybe seventy eighty yards rushing but he had a fucking knows for the end zone. I think he had two rushing. Tv's in the game My second seventy my seconds as very ambulance McCain's My second best like I already mentioned. Was that fuck massive lawyer Malloy Flock to three try Brown on the front concerns. I know it's you. Don't see your your got suspenders out. On putting their terms like you get like early thousands and stuff That kind Tom Brady just being clearly doesn't person in like two thousand one on his his first year but like those areas. Just my worst might have been Tom Brady plays I think this is probably his worst game. Game Starter One. Man Goes Game was an absolute nightmare. Actually Kinda typical this year. This yeah so you know the two picks and I think he lost fumbles then. He had games where he didn't score touchdowns but he drove him down the field. And so I'm Smith or like your Auto Kevin Faulk or some shit happens but I think he was responsible for free. Terms like in. This game was one of his worst games. Maybe not as worse but I can only be a second words this point. We had one where it was a four game. Maybe a couple of fumbles Yup Yup. That's bad I will. I will say this guy's because we didn't bring it up but I thought it was very cool stat. Sorry Greg jumping in your territory here but it. They were talking about Most consecutive games in a row. I'm with seventy percent. Completion percentage or. Oh Yeah and they put up You know a graphic and Joe Montana had eight games in a row Sammy BAUGH had four Steve. Young four Troy Aikman had four and Brady coming into. This game had four in a row as well. So that's pretty cool. Two thousand one CONRADI. Sure was prolific. Con Brio right and then by the time. I guess so also say we didn't bring up Aaron Shea does I mean he got hurt in the game anyway but Aaron Shea was. Brady's teammate at Michigan did they became very good friends. And then I don't know if you guys know this but this always stuck in my mind. He always greatness and Tom Brady because he was a hard worker. India's humble and he knows he's humble because he wants to ask Brady. What would you do if you became famous and you had millions of dollars Brady said I would buy a new pair of socks every day because I liked that so when we have Tom Brady on this podcast? We're going to ask him. The first question asked him. Do you buy socks everyday. Yeah I think that's pretty good question move isn't it? That's definitely ball movies. I know he's real washer on socks. That's real fucking humble. That's all he wants do. That's a pretty big ask. Luckily loses its novelty after. What like sixty times a week. Maybe two weeks. It's because they're new wines. So that's a poor take from and they still like the first couple times you're wearing. They still feel new you know. And the pre hair three hair plugs. Tom He I think he just had a different mindset. See I I'm glad you brought that up. I mean we definitely That'll be a teaser for future episodes because I've brought up and we've debated when everybody Sold her soul. So is it hair plugs. Or was it a deal with the devil for sure? Dude come on two thousand four or five. He got hair plugs. Yeah and they started to grow in. I would do it to and I might have already. Thank you very much long. Talk longhaired Tom Brady. Where seven my favorite years. And you know. He was only wearing the long hair because he was so happy to even be able to grow long hair after the hair plugs. All right now. He's dying his hair. Look it's fine right. Yeah he's a beautiful man can do what he wants. He's earned it grow up or what yes I I think. That's that's plenty. I hide and what is happening. I just can't believe we've talked much about a random browns game that I didn't even remember happened happened if known as I do. Remember this game actually but Um Salah I do you son of a bitch but connor. If if you're ever back again I mean this noise you're making his fucking amateur hour but otherwise I hear you have a deep dive on. I believe Roman Phifer so that could be for another time. Yes I agree. Yeah we'RE GONNA get into the I two hours at this point should anyway. That's what you said. And then you said you released a two hour episode. I haven't been paying attention but I hear there's a two hour one back in forty five yes I don't. He came on my Ambro. Let me come back. I'll I won't talk as much that's my promise. I didn't know what to do. I had so much I promise you I will have nothing to say next week. I literally used all might cakes. I use all my like. I'm done tap their knowledge. That was it at all right well until then next week. The Patriots traveled to Ralph Wilson. Stadium of Greg Brown Dick Fame and against the buffalo bills. Soulsby how that turns out so if you've lasted this long. He'll join US next week and we'll talk to you then. Seila everybody bye bye.
NFL Draft: Full-speed ahead? | Friday Roundtable
"All right it is Friday. The weak side podcast is back in this. Is We promise a sixty five percent. Tom Brady free episodes. So just get ready for that. Let's let's get excited. Let's start right away though just like we did a couple weeks ago. Jenny wrote a great column on free. Agency should have been delayed due to the corona virus. Looks like the. Nfl is going to now barrel ahead with the draft. Despite very pronounced opposition from coaches and general managers people are legitimately concerned about this but the League seems to have the point of view that they're entertaining people in a time of crisis and that. They're the good guys here Jenny. I don't know what to make of this. That seems a little bit optimistic on there and I think it seems optimistic. I think at this point. They're telling teams operate under the assumption. That were going to go forward as plants. Nobody is caught unable to draft or feeling like they're not prepared for this to happen but I just don't know how you can project out a month and you know I live in New York. Things have gotten really bad here over the last couple of days reports from New York Times and other media outlets and I think what we're seeing here is a reminder that this is going to get a lot worse before it gets better and so. I think it's difficult to say that we know what the country is going to look like in four weeks now. I guess one of the counterpoint. Savat is the only benefit of herb. You you would only move back if you felt like at some point in say may you could be able to do business differently and bring players in for visits and start up with physicals again and and if you don't if you don't know about that you might as well just commit and go all in with this virtual approach and say we're just not going to have a draft that includes those you know pre-draft visits and Predrag physicals and those kinds of things. But you know if you don't have an offseason program. There's really no urgency to get the draft done. You know they. They moved ahead with Free Agency. And now we know where those players are going facilities are closed and offseason programs are unlikely to happen. I think at all we're we're now talking about right. If training hamper the season will be affected so there isn't an urgency to get it done so I think it's kind of strange to say yes. We definitely know we can do this a month from now when we know that the situation is going to get a lot worse in the coming weeks. What are they gonNA do like I? I wondered We've seen how robust some of these war rooms are like. I remember the Colson particular. There was like twenty people in there applauding after every pick and while not everybody serves a necessary function. I remember reading a few recaps of in talking to people who've been in war. Rooms coaches and general managers. There are various people that serve critical real time functions and with social distancing in effect. I don't understand how you could. For example have your director of football research funneling some information to you in real time and then your assistant general manager calling somebody and looking at trade and you know you're on the phone with somebody else in talking to them about an agent or something. I don't see how this could all be done as easily as it would be in a normal circumstance and I could see it leading to a lot of mistakes too. Yeah it seems unclear. Do they think that everyone will be separated? And only in a virtual war room but then there's also other things that come up right. There's talk of televising from the facilities. So that would imply that there would be people congregating which at this point in time we are not supposed to congregate outside of your immediate family whom you live with right. Also they're working out with prospects. If they WANNA be available remotely and again I mean. Are you sending a crew into these homes? How're you doing this? And again it's non essential non urgent use of resources and a requirement that people could congregate or travel. When that absolutely is not necessary. At this time. There's a quote from Goodell last week about free agency kind of applauding. The fact that they were distraction for everybody dealing with Corona virus. What do you make specifically of that? And the fact that they are kind of positing themselves as a bright light during a dark time. I've heard from fans that believe this that said that. Hey the Tom Brady. Thing was the first time I didn't think about my parents getting sick and a month and this was I. I'm glad they did it and I've also heard from people that said. How crazy is it that we're waiting on an economic stimulus? Check to get us through this thing and Tom Brady is making another fifty million dollars and I have to hear about this I duNno. Where do you land on this in? Do you think that that is kind of the driving force behind their their thought to go for full speed ahead with the draft to yeah? I do think the general public enjoy free agency. I saw both perspectives connor. I saw more perspectives. That enjoyed it than didn't but I also don't think that's a justification for the fact that they moved forward and I thought the NFL physician society releasing a statement that they would not from that point forward. Be doing any physicals as it pertained to free agency or combine her draft because they felt that those medical resources should be directed. Elsewhere was a strong one. They're basically saying we don't want to be involved in doing non essential business at this time and then I saw that you know the league through its. Pr Arm had said well. These are orthopedist. Who are in offices that are not associated with hospitals? I thought that was a really tone-deaf response rate. It was clearly the same statement that was issued to all these other outlets as a counter to what the physician society you know what listen to the doctors. This is what they're saying is not appropriate at the time. I don't think it appropriate for a Sports League saying. Oh it's fine. They're in different offices like no. The doctors are saying they don't want to move forward with that. Let that stand on its own. Like take a cue. We're I it's it's also a bad message when we're trying to get the general public to follow the advice of science and doctors and and even leaders in government and the NFL kind of counter and what their own physicians are saying so. I don't know that that kind of bothered me too. Yeah I think I'll go back to what I said a few weeks ago and that you know this time right now like everything is in a vacuum and I think everybody makes a decision for right now but I I still have. I'm still of the opinion that I think that everybody gets through this stronger. Hopefully you know and everything like that. But I think that we will remember the people who use their powers for good and the people who use their powers for selfish reasons and I don't know what the NFL's doing right now. If Roger Goodell honestly believes in the center of his heart that he is doing good then. There's nothing that I can say. I mean if you really think you're helping people then that's one thing but if it all is about capitalizing on this window where no other. Professional sports are being played and being the top story on. Every you know in garnering more attention for the League in these new players. That are gonNA come in and everything like that then. I think that's sinister it's just evil you know. I think it's a it's just a really bad way to business. Yeah and you know there has been a lot of support from people around the League today. We saw today on Thursday. We'LL RECORDING ON THURSDAY. Drew brees donated five million to help provide with food and other resources in the New Orleans area. Part of that money was going to the hospital system. They're so I think those steps are tangible support. Obviously a saying that free agency was providing a service as a distraction. I think is just another example of the League being tone deaf? Can I tell you one thing like Kinda Hokey that I fell for though that I really enjoyed Nfl Related Corona virus content. Okay the broncos. I thought did a fantastic job. They had their trainer on doing a workout tips. Which I thought was good and then the video of Vic Fangio in his own home making meatballs and just encouraging everybody to stay inside. I just I don't know why like I. I'm brawl live in minute to minute here and if you can crack a smile for thirty seconds and it did it made me. It made me smile. Yeah that's good. I like that I like that. All right let's get to a little bit of news here. I'll start off with topic number one. The Panthers Released Cam Newton this week after being able to find a trade partner during free agency the former. Mvp is thirty years old and recovering from Liz Frank injury than a shoulder surgery the year before that while the covert nineteen pandemic restrictions have undoubtably hurt his ability to sign because teams can't get their own medical information. Is it still weird? That Cam Newton is a free agent. That he's unsigned right now. Yeah just like the gut reaction to it while understanding all of the circumstances and the fact that it's not just the foot surgery but that teams who would be interested in him might WanNa look the shoulder to but yes. I mean this is like a transformational player in the NFL over the last decade and someone who despite the fact that he's had a lot of injury issues over the last few years has still shown that he has. These talents can unleash when he's healthy. And so obviously the one healthy has been a big qualifier. But yeah it's just it's weird to think about somebody that led his team to Super Bowl. Fifty is Kinda just unable to find a place to play right now I I. I'm of the opinion and I guess I'll give I think it was Kevin Clark of the Ringer. Who posted this? I but I've seen a couple of people kind of jump on that sense then too. Is that you know. Wouldn't you sign him anyway? Because you know by theoretically Bhai Week six or seven of the regular season. Whenever that happens he will probably be healthy enough to either. Contribute to your team or to yield a pretty nice return is at draft pick from team. Who probably needs a quarterback or someone who inevitably is going to be in trouble and you know needs a spark in their offense whatever it might be I mean. Wouldn't you just approach it from a pure value perspective? A little bit too and just get him on the roster AMIS. He's thirty years old and well. That's a lifetime Given the way that he plays the game specifically. I don't know I still feel like there's an inherent value there and having him on your roster. Yeah I agree. I guess the question is what are the conversations between teams in his representation right like what is he looking to sign for You know for the chargers for example right they could bring them in but might not want to pay him what money he's looking for to potentially being a competition or kind of be stashed. Let's say they start the season with tyrod and they draft a rookie in one move to him. And then what do you do with Cam Right? So you know if it could be that the the salary teams are waiting for like the salary requests to go down or don't feel like it's the right price right now but but yes like just in terms of the idea that you he either get healthier. Help you or another team. That would they're startled would go down and they'd be looking for someone midseason. I guess it's a question of how what he's expecting. Teams are willing to give right now. Lineup yeah I I got crushed for this. I got destroyed for my cam. Newton landing spots list Because I didn't put the chargers on there But also because I put the the Broncos and the Jaguars on there especially the Jaguars like why not oh I I think those are good picks connor. The bears absorbed. All of Nick. Foles is salary. You know you've got draft pick return you're starting to shed you know issues on the Roster. I mean why not you know. Do something similar to what the Ravens did bring in Paul Johnson. Learn a little. Bit of that trap blocking. And then you have Cam Newton and Leonard Fournette running downhill the rest of that division. You're a nice change of pace your harder to defend. I don't know I mean like some of these teams that are just like on the outside of being even remotely competitive and looking in. It's like what are you doing like I don't know I. I would get a little proactive here. I think those are both smart picks connor especially the Jaguars right like. Are you really comfortable? That minhsiu is definitely a guy right. Like seems like you bringing campaign would make sense for a lot of reasons and I agree with you. I don't think he ends up in Los Angeles. I think their options were binary either. Go Tom Brady route or go. Tyrod Taylor undrafted rookie so Tom. Tom Brady didn't work out. They're going to tyrod Taylor rookie route. So I don't think he'll end up there but yeah they're just situations that you named where you maybe have a young guy that you're not sure about that makes a lot of sense to be. Can I just make one random aside before we go to the next topic always connor? That's what this podcast is about. I have found this might be in. Well I've been covering league for ten years and I don't know I think we've both been football fans for longer than that. I cannot remember two quarterbacks like drew lock and Josh Allen who have a more immediate blind fan following and to the point where these people are ready to defend them to the death in. It's like crazy like I got so much anger for suggesting that. Maybe the broncos should sign Cam Newton and everyone's like drew lock is our quarterback of the future. How do you know that or Josh Allen? Like pointing out the fact that he had one of the worst. I think Nfl Next Gen stats does expected. Completion percentage in good quarterbacks are above expected and he was like the third worst quarterback in the league last year and just pointing that out makes people very upset. And it's like I don't know what these people do to deserve this adulation. I don't know I'm not saying they're bad. I think they could both be very good. I'm not saying that but like Fan perspective like what happened there. I don't I don't understand that. Yeah I think in in engand fans have been so eager for quarterback answer that they seize on this very small sample size drew. Lock at but it's interesting. How people went from thinking like would they be in the Brady sweepstakes then John elway says at the combine that we think we've got our guy lock and then everyone's like great like elway figs? We've got our guy like let's let's move on from all the other stuff know so what could go wrong. I I agree with you. Connor like very small sample size for lock like showed some decent things at the end of the season. But absolutely no telling and certainly not enough to sell you at this point understand not going the brady route but cam different. This is a different situation. We're talking about surmise. Me Of when I was a kid. My Dad said that I could get Brown Jersey for Christmas. I was browns fan growing up and at the end of that season it it was like two thousand two. Maybe two thousand and three. I'M GONNA get the date wrong there but like out of nowhere This running back Lee suggs from Virginia Tech ran for like two hundred and seventy five yards in like a meaningless end of season game and I was like. Oh my God I mean that's the guy we've figured it out and I was going to have to custom make it on. Nfl shop because they didn't even have a Lisa Jersey and But then I was like you know what we need to put push pause here because even at the tender age of fourteen I understood sample size and I knew that M- maybe this wasn't exactly you know going to be the future of the browns and so I did the smarter thing Jenny Night. About the Jersey. The first round draft pick. Who was a defensive? Lineman BY THE NAME OF GERARD WARREN. So clearly I made the better choice. They're just another Jersey that aged fabulously well-nigh collection always a risk buying any Jersey for that franchise. I think that was the last Jersey purchase. I made two yet. Two Thousand and two two thousand and three. Yeah Yeah Oh well. It's a risky proposition to buy a jersey at all. Because you just never know you. There's really very few SAFE JERSEYS TO BUY RIGHT. I I have a quick story on that which I think is funny and I'll I'll let the person know that I told this story but my friend who covered the mets for the Bergen record in Yahoo National Baseball writer by the name of Matt halt a big giants. Fan and we were in college together working at the student newspaper and I remember him. Investing so much money into a authentic PLAXICO burress Jersey literally days before the nightclub incident days before the nightclub incident and it was like a red alternate one was very handsome Jersey. If I remember correctly. And it's just it's just the perils of doing this. I don't know man the Latin quarter shooting. I I remember well. I went to the Latin quarter. I went on the the stakeout near his home in Totowa because the police were coming and going. His lawyer was doing press conferences in his driveway. And one day there was a bear on the loose so I have a vivid memory literally a bear on the loose in the neighborhood. The police were coming car to car and we thought they had like an update for us and instead it was that we should be careful because there was a bear on the loose. So I just you know I also remember that time Connor. Todo a there's a dmv there in Totowa just in case anybody needs one all right. What do we have for Topic number two among the quarterbacks remaining on the market a former number one overall pick Jameis Winston a super bowl winner Joe FLACCO and a former number three overall pick blake bortles. Is there any remaining intrigue here or these quarterbacks destined to float into post draft limbo waiting for someone else to get injured I would say they all are in limbo right? Yeah I found it interesting. That Bruce Arians set on the rich Eisen show that he'd been recommending to other teams but yet in the same breath he said well we had the brady option and then we had teddy bridgewater. Freddie did it worked out and those two didn't work out. We were going to go with G. Whites an interesting to be branding as a recommendation. That was hilarious. It was like I don't know if you're trying to get the guy job. Why would you mentioned that? Not only was he. I mean I can understand. He was their second choice. Tom Brady but it's like no also you're gonNA go pretty hard at teddy bridgewater to try to try to land in there too. I mean with James. It's time it's time for him to take a step back. I think in probably evaluate his career to this point and why he's found himself in this situation Both from what he's done off the field and The carelessness in both cases off-the-field in on the field. I think that he represents way too big of a risk. Especially at a time where we're probably not going to have off season programming. You're not going to have a quarterback assistant who can get their hands on him all off season and try to go through all the film and to narrow down why he seems to be making these mistakes. So I don't know. I think it's time for him to sit and kind of learn to be a quarterback from the ground up you know. I don't think he's never had that opportunity. He was always a starter. He was always a highly sought after player on a big team or an important role. And you know. Maybe you develop some onfield carelessness when you know that. You're not going to be benched for anyone in particular. Yeah it's just like a strange year right. Because there's an influx of quarterbacks onto the market and most of the seats are filled up. And there's another name not even you know Andy Dalton non this list. Because he's not tally but you know would either traded or release. Is he still in the mix for the Patriots? I mean a lot of different options there. But yeah there's just the supply as everyone has been saying. The last few days on twitter has outpaced the demand this year. And you have these. Kinda big names just kind of hanging out there. I mean we were just talking about Cam and saying it would make sense for someone I'd say. All of these other quarterbacks would be lower on the pecking order then Cam. So you know if you're not even sure and obviously cam as the injury question but if you're not even sure Camman's upward or any of the others end up. Yeah I just. None of them are really moving the needle for me. If I'm a decision maker and I don't know. Is it weird that al-Qaeda throw a curve ball at you here out of all the quarterbacks that were available after Brady after rivers after bridgewater? I I don't know I was most interested in like seeing Marcus Mariota in a different place like he was one player that I was like. Oh like if I was the bears or you know. The chargers of the broncos like that would be a player that I would go after and then he kind of just ends up in Oakland in this weird like limbo situation but Yeah I don't know this. It's been a strange off season. It's been a weird quarterback market but unfortunately I think a lot of these guys are going to have a hard time getting back to these established star roles. I mean especially someone like Blake Bortles or Joe flacco. I mean I think that both of them are going to have to accept long-term support roles at this point. It doesn't seem like it makes much sense. Otherwise yeah absolutely connor. I agree definitely a strange strange year. For the quarterback market very active for some very quiet for others speaking of Dak Prescott in the cowboys have reportedly re engaged in contract discussions. Nfl Network reported that the deal is complex. Which is why. It's taking so much time to get done. I will now ask you this Jenny for the one thousand times since early. September of two thousand nineteen. Are we optimistic that a deal will get done soon? I don't know if soon is necessarily the right word but I think a deal will get done before the deadline. What do you think conor? Yeah and it comes down to for me. They're just going to have to make him. The highest paid quarterback in league and. I do think that he deserves that. There have been way way worse. Quarterbacks that have reset the market with not nearly the level of playoff success or regular season success the Dak Prescott has had and it's not just about Ezekiel Elliott in the running game. Because I think that that took a hit a little bit. And we've you know the offensive line's been injured on and off and Dak Prescott was still the most efficient quarterback in football this year. And I think that you know you. Just have to buckle up and and pay him what you're supposed to pay him and get it done before. The Patrick Mahomes deal gets done. Because then it'll be even worse this a situation of the cowboys own making because they took care of the running back who's had off field issues and who plays a position where you really shouldn't bank for the long term. I E girly in the rams. They paid the running. Back Bay. Paid you know Jalen Smith all this other business before taking care of the quarterback and it should have just been the other way around and so now they're in the situation where yes. Just get it done sooner than later because the price is just going to keep going up. I never understood that like and I mean. Obviously we've written about this to no end. The cowboy's always have this idea that you should take less to be the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys. Because there's no state income tax. Do you have more business opportunities off the field and I think that there's some merit to that but we we're in different time? I mean Patrick. Mahomes is a visible superstar in the Kansas City market and I think Patrick mahomes playing for the Jaguars. He'd be visible superstar. I think it doesn't matter anymore. Now that we have social media and video games and everything that kind of can bring different players and personalities into your living room. It doesn't matter whether or not you're the quarterback the cowboys the giants of the chargers. If you're cool and you're popular you're good. You're going to get attention and so I think they need to let that go. I know that they like to haggle. And they like to play up the drama of this. That certainly something in Jerry. Jones's past that he's exhibited all the way back with his first big quarterback contract and Trae kment. But I I mean I just don't understand why you're letting this linger to the point where you could eventually upset the best player on your team. Right I agree connor. I think everyone's just kinda eager to get it done in and not be debating enemy. 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Can't even get to the grocery store. So yeah I mean I I think salmon would be on the high end of the fish scale. Maybe this is like a scallop. That's just sort of like you know it's small but also significant right scallops. Connor wanted to go low on the spectrum. Michigan's like a scribe. But I never I kind of just dance around scrawled because I've never heard of scrub. It's like similar to cod. We used our for like Christmas Eve Fish Dinner I. I'm not Italian. We don't do seven fishes where we'd have like the Polish fish dinner so we'd go with Scott because my dad like this is like a very bland whitefish. I'm pulling it up right now because this is a this is a baked squad with lemon herb Panko. This looks good Yeah you know it's fine. I mean it's my mother was trying to find a fish that my father would eat because he doesn't really like fish. So it's not like a super fishy fish. If you get what I'm saying it's kind of you know kind of bland so this looks good all right. I can do Scott. I could do Scott. I MISS. I'm sorry it's my fault. I derail the conversation but you think things are fishy in Washington. So I I think I need to separate things into one or two camps. I do think that Ron Rivera is one of the good people in the NFL. I don't think that he's the kind of person who would intentionally sabotage a quarterback's future in the NFL. I don't think he's that kind of guy which is why when he was talking about to At the combine. I think that he was doing it. Because I think it would be good for Washington to invite a team to trade up to number two and to reap that draft capital because they have a lot of holes to fill I don't think it was because he was necessarily down Haskins. He's complimented his work ethic you know. He said Nice things about him. But I don't know that that thing will well. He knows how we do. Things is what he said about Kyle or well. He knows the system. I don't know if I was Haskins. I'd be like well. I don't know that makes me feel at least a little bit. Funny that You know it's GonNa be a competition and this guy already quote knows how we do things. Yeah there's enough for Rivera to say he doesn't know at this point how. Haskins turn out and maybe he wasn't particularly encourage you know. I think he played better later in the year. But there were definitely some bumps his rookie season. So I think for Rivera. Alan is okay. We have a guy that I know I can put there and play and I have a second option here. If things don't go as maybe others hope would go. It's always difficult when a new head. Coach comes in and the team has drafted quarterback in the first round the year before that you were not a part of the process for and I'm sure Rivera had his own thoughts you know for many pro-death work that might have been done from. Haskins the year before when he was in Carolina on so perhaps he just wasn't his he wouldn't have been a pick of his but maybe they can make it work. And then if not we have Kyle Allen. I think curious your thoughts on this because I think it's really interesting on one hand. I thought with the cardinals did last year with Josh. Rosen was reprehensible and just the way that they let him twist in the wind You know there's a lot of pre-draft kind of character. Assassination stuff out there on Rosen and I think by letting everything linger as long as they did they kind of just made it seem like it was all true and this is the reason that we were going in another direction without ever being kind of upfront in in clear and I think that that was a bad thing but I think that the good thing about them drafting cuyler Murray was that that broke from tradition with years and years and years and years of general managers just burying themselves with bad picks. Because they think that. That's what you're supposed to do and we talked about this with foles too and I think that's the same thing but you know if I don't know where do you come down on that like. Is it a good thing? That teams are more willing to do this or is it a bad thing. That teams are less willing to teach and adjust and coaches. That's what you are. You're a coach. You're supposed to make people better right. Yeah I mean it's a hard balance right because we say that all the time. There's not enough development going on of quarterbacks and there's less development with less practice time that time is becoming even less and of course during this pandemic you're getting you're gonNA get maybe no offseason time. So I think that's probably another factor right like the Washington went into this off season saying we need some other option at quarterback even just as a backup but Kyle Allen makes a ton of sense. You're bringing in a guy that you're really familiar with in a year when you may get zero offseason with your players but in Turkey. Yeah so it makes it hard like well. You have the time in the ability to continue to develop Haskins. That's the question and that would be a question if you drafted someone else. I agree with you that there was no downside to Rivera's talking about you know to a meeting with the calm. I other than the fact that teams had fewer combine interviews so us one slot on that so okay Washington meets with two but you should be exploring an exhausting all options. But but yeah. I think it's a unique situation because you know you're not gonNA have an offseason. Haskins now and you don't know exactly what you have in him so I I don't know exactly what the what it makes sense to. I mean it probably makes sense to take chase young. See what you have if not you have Alan and then potentially next year you could re address the position if need be taken to A. Yeah I mean if you think too is like but the other issue with two of course is not being able to medically evaluate him now. Wall saw that video this week. Everyone was saying. Oh my Gosh it looks. He looks really good. But if you can't evaluate him yourself do you feel comfortable doubling down. It's even different for them right. Like the chargers of the dolphins may have difficult decision to make. But it's even more difficult if if for the second year in a row. Use A top pick on core rack. And you're not an you. Don't get to do a physical on him and he has an injury question right. Would you rather do that though or would you rather trust one of these over hyped? Ohio state players. That seem to just be filtering into the League. Disappointing at a at a rapid pace. We are no. We're no fans here we got. We got to balance out the rest of the Connor. Dan Penn State or you're from Pennsylvania so this is not we are no Buckeye supporters on this end. I just realized that I'm the only one who didn't go to a big ten school remaining in the in the M. QB staff of writers. Oh Wow yeah that's true you. Kaelin was northwestern Penn state know-how state So we're just out in. I don't even know what conference circuses. Any the eight the ACC we in the yeah we're in the ACC. I think right well. Connor I actually. I'm I'm pretty sure that Syracuse in the ACC. Because we played Clemson. Why else would clemson play us and we beat? Clemson once two or three years ago all right. This might be my favorite topic of the week. Like I warned you. Sixty five percent Brady so Jenny. What are we have for number? Five Joe. Montana said this week that the Patriots made a mistake by letting go pal Brady. I don't know what's going on there but someone made a mistake. Montana said of the team that is tied for the most Super Bowl wins and football history. Do you agree. Wow Wow I. Don't you know I don't agree? Well who knows? Better the bill belichick and who knows like he had a price he had an age he had An evaluation and that was it. I mean we really questioning the one guy who's spent twenty years with this person right. I taking all of those factors into consideration right what the price would have been. What the terms with the length of the contract all of those things you know I. They made the best decision. I don't know I agree with you. I think it's it's a fool's errand to doubt. Bella checks evaluations of players. And you have to look at the totality of the picture. It's not just oh my gosh. How do they not let him finish out a patriots? What terms was did he want to finish out? Did they want him to finish out on an obviously those things didn't agree and also it just seems like Brady was set on going somewhere else and taking on this extra challenge for the last part of his career. I was on the conference call and They did before I was unceremoniously. Kicked off And then unable to get back on so I don't know if there was a little bit of maybe shade being thrown up. Oh interesting thing. Okay and another conspiracy theory you know I love was ores line. Got All of a sudden just booted off. I'm interested in the fact that he's kind of trying to have this both ways in that for the last three or four years like it's been like. Oh this staged interview with Jim Gray. Were I say that? I don't feel appreciated in my documentary. Mention about how. It's not fun anymore. And how the team's not making fun for me and then you leave and then you just say oh no. I've got nothing but love for those people. And maybe that's not the time or the place. I think Tom may be saving all the juice for his next documentary project project about himself. And that's fine but I don't think you can have a both ways. I think you owe it to patriots fans a little bit to explain your side of this like it can't just be like well you know That's it you know you kinda spent the last three years passive aggressively setting this up and then and then you just say everything's Okay but that that's twenty years. I mean I. I think that some people are GonNa have a hard time saying you know to kind of just taking that at face value. I agree connor and I would also say that looking back on all of those comments I think it was actually pretty remarkable that they kept him for those those last two years and then it got one more super bowl out of it. I think perhaps looking back. That's what's more remarkable than the fact that it's over now. It looked like it could have been over two years ago and they were able to keep together And when when the sixth ring have you has your assessment. Since we talked about this a week ago changed or like are you. Do you think that he makes this team good or do you think it's just like I? I would sooner bet on the Patriots. And the buccaneers for twenty four. Same totally yeah. Yeah there's just a lot of uncertainty there you know. I don't know yet. Are we sure that this is going to be the the best system Blake I know arriens likes working with older quarterbacks and certainly did well with Carson Palmer but like are we sure this works like I think there was a lot of risk in being a team that ended up with Brady this year and I think perhaps that's why we saw market that wasn't quite as robust as we thought it would be. You know like if you're at the chargers like I think we mentioned the flu last week. Like maybe feel a little sense of relief right. You know you go forward you feel okay with tyrod Taylor. You're in a position to to draft a guy that maybe you like in this year's draft you know I don't know if you if you get Brady and things go sideways then. You're the coach that things went sideways with Brady with and that is a really tough thing to overcome one thing. I was thinking about Tom the other day when on house hunters the other day they had a a a woman who is starting over after Collapsed MARRIAGE IN TAMPA. And it's nice downtown. This is really spot on. Yeah so you know kind of a it seemed like I mean she was like a judge like a very like a power player so it seemed like you know like Brady there. There is a lot of you know. strengthen moving on So happy for obviously but I never seen downtown Tampa Bay before For some reason in any of the teams that was a beat writer for I never got to make a trip to Tampa Bay but seems like there are a lot of lovely modern waterfront condominiums there. Which is what she was looking for. And I don't know I. I think I could talk myself into a two seasons in Tampa Bay interesting. Yeah I don't know much about the real estate market. I've only one game there I think so Don't have a great sense but we could always pull in bet former editor who is a Tampa native and she gets really give us a lay of the land. Maybe maybe we'll have to get some Tampa tips from bet for. That's so good I love that Okay so we're going to move onto the Oracle and like. I said this is part two of our brief Brady discussion. Which was brought on by Jenny? Who did a beautiful job while we were setting up the show and discussing the topics and she said Connor. This is right up your alley. What do you think about this and I said I thought I thought you were kidding? I thought this was not. I thought this was a joke. And so we're just GONNA talk about this for a second so I'll just read the tweet from pro football talk That sort of sets this up when introducing Tom Brady last week. The buccaneers posted a video using the phrase T. E. X. T. B. Brady. Liked it so much that he filed a trademark application so that he and only he can sell things bearing that slogan my God. What a weird foot to start out on that. It's very bizarre. Right very bizarre. Like and I don't begrudge players promoting their profiting off their likeness at all. I think that is a good thing. teams for far too long. Have taken the lead on that and taking away players ability to earn a living but it's a different circumstance when you're the greatest player in fell history in the team is clearly utilizing you as a marketing tool You know to bring people to this franchise and bring young fans into the stadium but while what a weird power play that was right. I mean it's just like a strange like you know it's like when you make a new hire at the office and the first thing he does is open the fridge and and take the Tupperware that says sandy out and take a bite out of sandy sandwich you know and then it's like. Oh who's this guy coming in here you know. Maybe it'd be like if I tried to trademark the Oracle. I don't know I'm trying to think of thing. It's a little odd. I mean who knows what conversations went on behind the scenes but they were very probably proud of TB X. Which is pretty good like it. Hits all the right notes and then. I don't know there's probably a sad social media intern or something and then the buccaneers organization. That had come up with the idea. Yeah if you're that person reach out to us we want to talk to you at the weakside podcast. I mean I you know the other thing that I guess I should have thought about before. I just got totally self righteous about this. There's going to be like he's going to have his own merchandising. Space in the store right in the team store right. I mean if if Jalen Smith has his own merchandising space in the cowboys store certainly Tom Brady will have his own independent way to generate a revenue revenue stream from the buccaneers Thing I'm I'm sure that was worked out in in the contract. Yeah I mean I imagine that had to be part of the conversations right I mean. It's not maybe the most important part but I imagine if you're making a pitch to Tom Brady you say well we know. Tb Twelve and patriot. Place right like a whole center there. And so this is how we foresee. Because that's part of the package with Brady is right. You know. You're not just interacting with his agent you're interacting with his team you know. His marketing team has branding team Toward the end we saw kind of some of the tension with him bringing in Alex Barrow and saying He. You know the Sweden and the stadium and then they ultimately work that out which allow them to extend the partnership with Brady for two more years bites but yes. There's a lot of auxiliary things that I imagine. Were part of the conversation. Yeah no it'll be it'll be interesting. I don't know I I I'm guessing he will have one of the highest selling jerseys in the NFL this year. If not the highest It's probably safe to say. Yeah one one of Din. Dan Patrick mahomes surpassed to the top spot. Last year. Right So yeah I don't. It'll be interesting I will not personally be wearing a T. B. X. T. shirt but you know I could see. I could see neighbors sporting at around the neighborhood. Maybe maybe we'll get you an oracle shirt connor. I think that's what we need to do. Our Own merch yeah we weakside merge maybe maybe we should just give up the give up the fight and just kinda get in on the merch game. I know two sets of parents would lovingly by sweatshirts lost four sales there. Or maybe your daughter could agree on that and what else With our rent all right Brenda's consensus all right so I noticed that giants new giants cornerback James. Bradbury said he's going to buy some home. Gym Equipment was concerned about places to train. He's still in Charlotte. Not all of the gyms are showdown but certainly that seems imminent up here. All of the gyms are closed and so really puts into perspective where these guys training and I was thinking the other day. That James bradberry decided new sizable contract. So he will be fine although some gym equipment manufacturers are probably out of it right. I mean there's a run on home gym equipment. I mean I couldn't buy dumbbells. From target DOT com. So I I can imagine a lot of these. Who's a run on Jimmy so okay? Connor used a couple of weeks ago. That like certain teams will have to figure out where they can get an advantage. And I don't know exactly how they could do this. I guess if you were to buy gym equipment for players that might be some kind of like salary cap like violation but if teams can find a way to make sure their players have all the equipment they need whether it's like delivering it from team facility or like using contacts with fitness suppliers. Would the smarter team should be making sure that all of their players have robust home gems? In whatever way. They're allowed to do that within the rules. So I think that I'm GONNA be interested to see which teams kind of take that on. That is fascinating. Maybe not but I think so. Yeah I think that's really interesting. The flip side of that right is How did The greats like Ladainian Tomlinson prepare for a season. They ran up the hill behind their house. Shirts that they did. That's true you know to do. You need to have that rustic rocky four type setting or do you know. Would you get a You know make sure everybody's gotTa Peleton or something right. I mean there's obviously other ways to train that don't involve lots of expensive equipment bites a you know. I think there's still a need for Roy weights and you now I don't know but if you've got some of the roster guys that maybe don't have the availability and don't have the contacts and maybe you can help them get a better home gym but yes. There are a lot of body weight exercises. You can do connery goal. Push up you don't need any weights for so true. I've been I've been jogging a lot. I feel like that is a good stress reducer and it's interesting because if you run to reduce stress instead of running because you think you need to get out and have a workout. I feel like your time is a little better because you're just like I need to run fast or else. I'm just going to be stressed about corona virus. You Know Yeah Yeah. You're probably more motivated to go on the Ron. It's hard like You know living in the city running is not really a great option because there are so many people nine. It's difficult to distance while running in a crowded urban setting like I went for early morning. Walk in the park today. Seven thirty and even that was like an obstacle course of making sure. I kept my distance from people veering on and off of paths. I think it would be a challenge to do that. Wal Running but you know. I think that's more of a specific challenge like basically in New York. I mean I saw in Chicago. They're they're closing some of the paths to because they were Kinda swarmed with people so again more packed urban settings. It can be a challenge but a lot of team facilities are of course in the suburbs and there would be plenty of running areas. That wouldn't be crowded. So it's a bummer. That comes from this. Though is the we had talked about the Peleton thing around. Christmas is is the haughtiness that comes from the Peleton. People who have spent the last three months. Sustaining the backlash taking it in. And now they're like guess what suckers we have the world's best home equipment Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. And and. You gotta hear that now and it's like now now you need a Peleton. I saw someone posted a meme of you. Know the the woman from the commercial who Was the very panned. Peleton commercial where it looked like. She was basically being forced to ride this bike and document her progress But it was a medium of her and it says aren't will now. I'm glad I have a Peleton and it's like oh it's all flipped like everything's flip right back on us now. One of the risks of this time is you know when the country's in a crisis facing like when you're facing a pandemic you know obviously basic needs shoot to the top of the list but like we things like sexist ad campaigns or like fighting back against. Hey let's not use this kind of language or present a controlling husband right sure unfortunately like the battle against that kind of becomes less important and so now this organization that had a terrible commercial in December will have sales through the roof. Now because people need it so It's interesting to see how things change. Connor I tried to set up a a bike trailer. You know so that I could drive my two year old around and get some exercise and relearn to ride a bike. I haven't ridden a bike in eight years or whatever and SUVs putting it together and I was filling up the tires on the bike trailer and were in the backyard. And everyone's just kind of hanging out having a good time getting ready to attach it to the bike so we can go somewhere and then all of a sudden it sounded like a gunshot went off like it was allowed in piercing. And like you know. Everyone was freaked out and I looked and I must have overfilled. One of the tiresome. It's just exploded. So we're landlocked here. You know we're we're not getting anywhere. Well I'm glad you said that. About needing to relearn connor because I tried to ride a bike about a year and a half ago and found that I was unable to I the last time I wrote a bike. I was probably a child so I don't know it's for you know twenty years or something and I don't blame you. I couldn't do that. I panicked and like I Yeah I was. I was with a high school student that I was mentoring. And She She was taking off. And I didn't want him when Peter so I essentially ran alongside of her with the bike so I i. I didn't want to return the bike. We were renting them in the park. So I ran alongside or like wall like and then the pedal on the bike kept like hitting my ankle but I feel like I had to keep up because I didn't WanNa like slow her down and ruined her experience because of my aptitude huge bruise on my ankle. Ha Man it is. It is way harder than I remember. Yeah like as a kid. I remember tight turns flying everywhere. You know all that stuff. Not so much anymore. Yeah you know. That's saying connor just like you know just like riding a bike you never forget. I mean that was a really. I open the experience that same. He's just simply not true for all people. It's different for us. It's like it would be like. It's like writing a game story or taping a great podcasts. Right that's right this. This was a good well. Hopefully we provided people you know about an hour of escape from a lot of the scary things in the world so we appreciate everyone listening this week and We will be back next week. I'm more regularly soon. So we hope to continue the conversation then the QB weakside podcast is me Jenny. Rentis and Connor or we are produced by shelby royston essays. Executive producer of PODCASTS is Scott Brody. Ben Eagle is director of editorial projects and product mark. Murray VIC is a meredith executive director of the QB. 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The game of life & Philadelphia Eagles update with Ross Tucker
"So it's like an hour after the draft. All my buddies were out at our eating club. I'm starving. I haven't eaten all day, I'm like, I guess I'm not getting signed. So I walked out to the eating club. They're having like barbecue chicken, and burgers and dogs. It was awesome. I couldn't eat. I couldn't even look at anybody dude, second semester. Senior college share my buddies would come home at five AM every morning, I was waking up at five AM every morning to train for the draft and doing like the shuttle, and all these drills and I thought, oh, my gosh. I just threw away my second semester of senior year of college for nothing. I couldn't I couldn't even eat. I couldn't look at anybody I walked back to my dorm room as I'm going up. The steps I hear a phone ringing. I start like sprinting up the steps I grab it's Joe lengthy is like where you been. I've been calling you like fifteen minutes. I see. Well, you told me the longer was after the draft, the worst news it was it's been like an hour and a half, and he's like, well, you're selling. I'm with who? He said the Redskins minicamp starts on Thursday. I was like. How I said Joel call you back a little bit. I hang up. I sprint back out to the eating club or all my buddies are I walk out all the girls. They're all the guys just nude. At this point, I law. Bob all my finger. I'm like Redskins and we all on get this. We all like jumped up and down, and they were so happy. We're going to live by asleep. Oh. Dave damage football, bro. Grab available on apple podcast and at fell dot com slash DDS fees. Now here's your host, Jay damage it all. Yes, the unmistakable sounds of Ross Tucker, former NFL offense of Lyman, Princeton graduate, so on and so forth. Also, perhaps most importantly, he hangs on the digital wall of fame here in studio, sixty six hi. And hello. And welcome to the Dave damasec football program. I hope oil wherever you are, the aforementioned one Ross Tucker seats is seeded to my immediate left Ross Tucker. What's the poop welcomed the California fella? Yes, my thing, do my, my annual pilgrimage out here while my wife and daughters at the jersey shore. I'm like, all right. It's head out to LA for for a day or two. While we have a lot to talk about, as usual football waits for no man and you were. At Philadelphia goes many camp. I wanna talk about that. Well all the all the hot button issues here. Studio sixty six this off season. We'll do a little best of with you just to get your opinion on a couple of those items, and thanks to everybody for the birthday wishes. It was it was a grand one filled with food, like you look right now. You look like a thirty eight year old washed up screenwriter, I would say, why it'd be launched up. Why, why can't I be thriving? You didn't even put in your last button. And when we had lunch, before you buttoned up, I saw that. There was stains on your Hines ward t shirt, that's underneath your right now. There's like legitimate stains on your Hines ward, T, shirt, wear on coming here and be like that. Hey, I'm gonna pretend that never happened and we're going to pick up and look you let your guests say that Joe Montana's not a top ten quarterback. Okay. I think having a couple of stains in your Hinds, and I would like for the record to let to you in any future guests. Here in studio, sixty six I gave David car every opportunity more than they need deserve perhaps to take it back. He decided to press forward, and I am I applaud his courage in make no statement that Joe Montana's, not one of the top ten QB's of the Super Bowl. I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with him. Oh, you are always start with that. It's a hot take. I think Joe Montana is one of the ten best quarterback to the player I disagree with David car. I leave, what if you actually talked to him about it. And by the way, for what it's worth Steve Mariucci doesn't go that far but he does say for one game head to head. He says, I'll take Steve Young over Joe Montana. See, I feel like it's the opposite. I agree that will I agree. I buy if you want, like a whole career, or if you want the human being maybe Steve Young over Joe Montana, but for one game Joe Montana. That's why Joe Montana is better because he came up big in the biggest spots. Can I tell you one more people like the I it makes me crazy when people like to act as though the entire point of football season doesn't matter? Then we play it to completion so that somebody wins. What are we talking about that? That doesn't all you can't can't judge a guy off of that. All all. Yes. I can. And I will. And by the way, Joe Montana is born in the greatest state in the union. That's he's not. Well, listen, I appreciate that. You want to take pride in the keystone state, I have a more immediate appreciation for it. Because if you are reared in the southwestern portion of Pennsylvania, you, you're gifted with a rifle mine happens to be attached to my left shoulder, but. Yes, I grew up in the same neck of the woods as Johnny United's. Joe nemeth. Joe Montana, Dan Marino. Jim kelly. I mean you know it's really Terrell. Ed Terrell Pryor, don't put him in with the other guys. He was good. His best high school athlete I've ever seen. So they say it was crazy. So anyway, so I was eagles minicamp, literally yesterday, and I'm like our sun, kiss face tells the tale. Well, that's because before that I was at the jersey shore when you were in Pittsburgh. Did you go to the jury? No. Now, we, we would go for a few years, we drove out to Bethany beach, Delaware. Interesting to their ocean city, Maryland with love. All right. So I go to stone harbor New Jersey and I love it. Tony. I love it when a plan comes together. So every year, I go, then she trademark that Scott. The eagles. Many camp was Tuesday through Thursday, I'm doing their preseason games. So I wanted to go and watch a practice by also like to come out to LA I have different podcasts meetings for my podcast and also come on yours. So for me to be able to go Saturday to the jersey shore, Saturday Sunday. Monday wake up Tuesday morning drive from the jersey shore. The Atlantic Ocean to eagles minicamp. I'm at the eagles facility all day. It's glorious weather's awesome. The airports seven minutes from eagles facility, so practices over I head off on get on the plane fly out to LA. And then I've been all over the place and Seino Costa Mesa all over the place. But I just love like the efficiency there. I mean be able to go from jersey shore for three days, go to eagles minicamp. Get on the plane. Come here do this. I'll take the Red Eye back tonight. I'll be, I'll be home by eight o'clock tomorrow, more lie Tucker. Fly. By the way, I just tell you, which one, do you prefer the Atlantic or the Pacific? You can only dip your toes into into one body of water to the exclusion of the other for the rest of time, which would be. So I've only ever spent one week at the Pacific Ocean Super Bowl with the bucks and the raiders, I got a house with a couple of their Cowboys offense of linemen, and that was pretty cool. I couldn't believe how wide and long the beaches were like, once you get on the sand. It was still a long time before, actually got to the ocean, the Atlantic, not like that. You know can't surf the Atlanta Kenya. Well, I don't surf anyway, but there's too many times you go to the Atlantic, and the water's really cold. The Atlanta all the Pacific is much colder, actually. Yeah. Bye, bye within I would say by July fourth. It's going to be nice and warm. You ever go down to the Carolinas in July the water is almost too warm to feel refreshing, that's interesting. You know I've. Ever been to, like Carolina beaches, none of them. Well, I'll go with the food that comes out of the Atlantic over the Pacific. They get the, the hard shells in the lobsters. I don't think that the blood. So by the way, the craziest thing, I saw probably at eagles, many cash place, Jason Peters, still dude. Guys. It's funny. L let me just say this, because most people who listen to this show, you'll be interested to learn did not play pro football. And the person talking right now also did not play pro football. It's funny. How often the name Jason Peters comes up among the last among guys over the last twenty years, people say you just don't understand. I always, you've heard me say that a million these, these dopes like me, who I don't do, but dopes pretentious, people who announced that Anthony moon yots is the best left tackle that what you're talking about. How do you know how he guy lean good? You know, you know who lean good because you did it. So here's Jason Peter people saying, oh, he's one of the top twenty NFL players. Well, here's the thing. You know, we're teammates in two thousand. Buffalo Bills and the NFL films has this new program where if you request it, they'll send you one remember those old like Steelers, one thousand nine hundred ninety eight next year's the year whatever so you can request once I, I asked for the two thousand four Buffalo Bills because that was the year. I started like thirteen games. We were nine and four and those games, whatever the uniform, and, and I went back through that and against the Bengals number eighty five Jason Peters Bursch through the line. Wow, blocked the punt scooped it up and score touchdown no way two thousand four. Wow. That number eighty five Jason Peters. And by the way, that dude is still three hundred fifty pounds looking like a dancing bear on the field, and my back hurts, if I stand at the bar for more than like twenty five thirty minutes. He's not a twenty nineteen but well, I think his. You know he didn't finish a handful of games last year. I think that becomes a problem is like, you know, you want to be able to rely on your left tackle to get a lot of snap out the big Australian kid. Is he a project? Will he ever unique SEM? I've seen him. I've stood next to them. Yeah. It's unbelievable. Delightful guy six eight three sixty five they haven't working at right now and they say he's doing pretty well. I think he's still figuring things out. But I'll say this, and this is why I was a little surprised at the eagles drought that Andre Dillard. I know he's great pass protector. But I was so impressed with my Lada last year as a rookie, the guy had never played football before and I'm watching him just locked down D end in the preseason games. Now, keep in mind. I was there with Jason Peters, his first year in a second year. My Lada was better as a rookie last year is first year, then Peters wasn't a second year and Peter's, by the way group and. Houston played football his whole life. My lot of never played football before. So I just, I remember thinking, I don't think that the eagles need to dry attacker. I think it's going to be my lava, but it put him on our last year with a back injury. I don't know how bad it is. And plus I just think that there's still enough an unknown there with the guy never played football that the eagles thought, if we can get the best passed protecting off attack on this draft. We gotta take him, and if my lot ends up being stuck we have four then great. We four off some tackles because it's a point. Peter is gonna retire. Then we'll have three the eagles never wanna be have avoided the offense attack tackle spot. You look at some teams really if you tackle that just can't hang it really kills you. It does seem well, and we talk about that all the time on this show that what the eagles do and what all the teams that make deep playoff runs. It's not fun for fans to talk about. But it's, it's quality and depth at the line of scrimmage. Those are the teams that you that the patriots you gotta throw. Out. 'cause whatever voodoo they work doesn't apply to the other thirty one. If you eliminate the patriots from the conversation, what you see consistently with those teams that are making the deep lift runs as is. It's not fun. That's like wait. What did Nick falls? What a story like. Yeah, go watch Fletcher Cox. So he dominates is unbelievable Matt offense of line two Super Bowls ago. That's the difference in the even though it was a shoot out of a game. Do you agree? Well, let's start at the end of the story February early February twenty twenty are you because you're close to there because you believe in them, and you just saw them and you're you respond to the shiny keys that you just saw. Is that your Super Bowl pick out of the NFC? I think the good chances anybody. Yeah. And I think you think here's my thing. I keep saying Carson Wentz as the most pressure on them of anybody in the NFL. I think he's no. I think like maybe Kirk cousins. Guys, because I think we all did we come up with spaghetti, Freddie. Kitchens, Freddie kitchens, tasked with not just a talented team, but the huge personalities of bake and owed Al and Jarvis Landry. So on. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. Rookie coach go and go make sure that everybody's happy. And the other was the Rams to if I remember correctly McVeigh and the Rams. Yeah. Well, right in terms of McVeigh's the personification of the coach, everybody wants and went out and hired this off season, if he falls, flat this year on any level, people say, what have we done? I think Wentz is up there. But I think the eagles giving him that contract takes I kind of agree with a little bit of the pressure off. If you think about it, if the eagles didn't give him that contract. As long as he stayed healthy and played well he'd be fine. But there'd be more pressure to do that. Now it takes a little bit of the pressure off for this year but they have a really good team. I mean they have they have a really good team. I only there's NFC team is better than them. But I still think the saints are good. I still think the Rams are good. You don't you don't think drew Brees is what we saw at the tail end I was an aberration. What do you mean? He was couldn't throw the ball. Get the ball, forty yards downfield without at fluttering. Well, yeah, I don't really know what happened there, by the way. We'll wait. I wasn't it wasn't a court or a football. It went on for like five weeks. Well, I think this, I think all those teams are about the same. And what happens is injuries throughout the year who's playing their best in January. And that's not like some great thing. But it's not like it's not like there's one team at Ted and shoulders above the others Trubisky. Good enough to make the bears relevant. I don't think so. Really one. I it is interesting when you watch the game lies MIR relevant in terms of going and Super Bowl. Yeah. That would surprise me the defense, and otherwise isn't strong enough to overcome that because it's it is interesting that when you watched when he would put up in fantasy term, some huge weeks and everything but very often. It was in the first of fifteen scripted place, they would jump teams and you and then like. Skis having a huge game. And then, like, yes, numbers are pretty much the same as they were at the end of the first quarter what happened there. Oh, yes. When he is expected, as expected the care, carry more of the load, he doesn't seem to care. Well, I just look at it like this. I have a tough time sitting here thinking that the bears are better than the eagles. The saints the Rams. What about the maybe even the the Cowboys? Better than cowboy. I'm not sure they're better than the Seahawks. I mean they're in the mix. They'll, they'll make the playoffs. But what about nine? We'll see your Niners decided that they're going to win the division this year. So they become mind for twenty nine instead of the Rams and the Seahawks. That's what I said, that's because of your. Your comfort level with how good looking Garoppolo is they provide. They provide presents no issues for me. And in fact, I've said it to his face. And so I would say, I'll say at the yours, I still think Tom Brady's more handsome than Garoppolo. Yeah. He's one of those guys for me. I look at what he if he walked by me in the hallway or walk down the street and I didn't know who he was. I would not bat an I would not think like now. That's a handsome guy. Tom Brady quite the opposite. Cam newton. Cam Newton, I swim. You ever look into Curtis? Martin is get lost. Eric decker. Come on, Jimmy garoppolo's are most handsome football player. No way. Here's a controversial one for you. One of our most handsome note, I don't know. One of my most handsome, one of the most hands hall of famers. Who's the most handsome hall of Famer? I'll give you, I'll give you a headstart probably Marcus Allen. But in the conversation OJ. Yeah. It's handsome man. Both those guys are looking nice skin. Not on that list. Bob, greasy. What do you think about my idea that we take Bob griese jacket away? He's, he's. Bob, greasy is muddy the water so that we can't really talk. We can have honest conversations about ee lies place in the hall of fame because Bob Greece's there, and as long as you have him, sitting there, well, he won't to rings ally. He has to. Now you have to put him in Jim Plunkett, is the only exception to that rule. So by that definition, the whole Famer, I think he is because his numbers are hard to dispute, and he's going to add to them, obviously, or will he question, number two, ally, starter September twenty and nineteen yea or nay. I'm surprised. I think it's interesting that Pat Shurmur kind of put this competition stuff out there. It's weird. I don't know what his logic their thought processes because really if it's really close enough to the spring, that there's a competition. Why even pay the twenty times? How? Makes sense but it's all that dead money. You couldn't just you couldn't you dumped ee lie in say on September fifteenth. Or whatever would would the giants have the same cap hit that they have. Now, the problem is they didn't know who's going to be as bad as he's been in these, like, OTA's. That's the way, I think, is the issue. Oh, is that right? I think that one the team shock that he cannot throw the ball like outside the numbers and they're also shocked with how well or now quickly down Jones is not only as being like super mobile, but he's picked up on the offense and he's like his arm is stronger than than what he showed in college. Those like the two things from the all the bureau's I fall. It's all of them and saying, wow. So they intended because to me, the thing, the song, I've been singing for four months is either you think Eli can take it to the play offs or you let me lie go and you take a QB, but if you're rolling with ally, they should have been taken Williams out of Bama or. Or one of those edge rushers in that spot. If the Cutty lie it's eleven point two million dollars of dead cap, if he's on the team, he's twenty three point two while at this point. It's I mean they still can still cut them. Here's the thing if Daniel Jones wins the starting job. There's really no reason to keep ally. Manning on the roster other than easy line manning. Anyone zebra bowls for you. Why would you look do you think they I know there's eleven point two million of he got a no trade clause. I know. But so what could they couldn't go him, and they don't think they went to Tom Coughlin is a for instance when that was up in the air before falls and said, like, what do you think, reunion old time sake? No back in there. I don't think so. Here's the thing. Why would you pay ally? His base salaries eleven five I think they already paid him the five million roster. Bonus didn't daddy. I think he already got the five million dollar Russ. Or both. That was like, okay go, something. So then that, that changes things a little bit. So you so you think Eli is going to be the starter. I think I find it hard to believe you wouldn't start the opener. Yeah. The thing about this thing about how going to be sad if he flames out, how do they get a how bad, he would have to be in the preseason games to not start the opener and then them to have the highest paid backup quarterback in NFL? I don't understand in this multibillion dollar industry that I wanted the thirty two teams the proud New York Giants franchise once pro couldn't divine what they wanted to do with ally. So they split the difference. And basically, I, I wouldn't say that, they, you know, who knows that maybe Daniel Jones can make a run. But my point that I keep making is if you thought he was good enough, then draft a player who can make an impact in two thousand nineteen to help me lies, 'cause either on the line, or is an edgier. I think he is good enough. So then they should have let him go. That's my point. They knew if they knew that in January, what, what spaghetti is saying is that they didn't realize that until they saw him now in camp and realize, oh, he's really he's an old band well because all. They said in January, February March was he can still make all the throws. Go back and watch those last six games last year in the last two months was on July. Looks like he's lost his fast dad, literally the beat reporters the quarterback stats out of OTA's, which are always funny to me, but the quarterback stat of otas, have not been real good. Let me say this about the annual Jones. I don't know if Edie knows this or not. Do you know he was committed to Princeton? Cheers that he was committed to Princeton. And then he had a big senior year, and like right before signing day. Duke offered him a scholarship. It like blows my mind to think that the fourth pick in the draft in the NFL draft could have been playing in the Ivy league, the last hangs on the same wall of fame in Princeton, New Jersey as you do he could have what do you mean? Oh, we I guess he did. They probably don't you didn't go there. But they probably have a lot of space on that wall. They could probably put him up like he almost went here. You know who else almost went to Princeton who's that drew Brees? Really? Wow. You didn't have any, any division one offers really smart guy was going to go to Princeton supposedly, and then Joe tiller ruined my life by offering drew Brees a scholarship. You guys would have matriculated together, same year, we would have won the Ivy league gave you wouldn't be sitting here, it would have been awesome. What because they haven't you seen back to the future, and Terminator, and all those you start messing. The past man, you don't wind up in the same spot. No. I probably have been actually drafted or something because more scouts move coming watched us, and we'd been awesome. And said we had the nicotine in this in your mansion right now. We could be swimming in your pool. That would be I still have a pool. You have a pool in Harrisburg. PA man dollar goes far in, in the keystone states compared out here. It does. Yes, it does. Hey, quickly. One more NFC matter to settle here. It came up, sort of with the McNabb is, is better than Troy Aikman. Mcnabb's claim better than Aikman belongs in the are better. Okay. But the January resulted the difference there it turned into McNabb. V E lie. And then I threw Romo into that. Gimme your wind play show of those three quarterbacks the three best in the NFC east in the twenty first century. Win ally place. Mcnabb show Romo, you go spaghetti Ross Tucker's. He's a famous football expert, and he agrees with your guy. So, well, here's the thing. Say Roma, you gotta be kidding me. Really? Why you're going to denigrate nine you know we were we were teammates for a month and a half. I didn't remember that two thousand two no two thousand three he wasn't even on the radar screen, I tell people all the time. So now only was Romo non the radar screen. But the first minicamp, Jason went and was terrible like to the point where I remember thinking, I cannot believe they draft with this dude in the third round, he's telling they should cut him. He was that bad. And usually, you're right home with first impressions. Now that guys like I bel- hall of fame tight, it's unbelievable. How much better he got eight nine when you saw nine throw in the ball, did you think, like, wow? I don't know who he is. But that's some army's got really know didn't notice him. He had that big of a dude. He's like, maybe six to he looked so young. He looked like he was like seventeen he still looks that way, right? Yeah. And I just thought I thought they just signed him because Sean Payton was offensive coordinator who went to eastern Illinois, so that Romo other they just sign them like 'cause painted is from my school. I'm gonna Steinem. All right. I'm you like they're gonna keep Clint sterner as third quarterback that year Clayton center Romo, here's a deep dive that maybe four people listening right now. We'll care about stern, or do you remember? Yes. I say, what Tennessee put the ball down on the ground. How did you know that the when I had this conversation, no one ever knows what I'm talking about when I bring that up. That's like one of the most remember memorable college football players, the last thirty years ago. Well, I have brought this up. Two tons of people who love college football. I bring that player that, like, what are what are you talking about? I'm like, oh, yeah. When he fumbled and I'm like, but he didn't have the ball was down by the rules if he touch the ball on the ground. It was a dead ball. Now, like no, I don't think so Tennessee Tennessee with in which you're maybe. With Arkansas, orchestra was undefeated and they would have won that game. That's right. So you remember that thrill used to talk to him about all the time. He let that's like when we would be steam when we go out like people would bring that up to them like that play. It's a debt. Okay. I guess I'm for you to of my closest friends. I can't believe my is you know that play I know every play, dude. So two of my friend, closest friends in the media and guys, I just know sage Rosenfels and Dan or Lobski. I like both those guys than twelve year backup quarterbacks. What else do they have in common? Can you think of this in, in, in the vein of Clinton Turner, putting the ball down against Tennessee? Back of the end zone. Orlovsky back in the end zone and the Rosen copter remember when Sade they're planning, it's to colts and sage dove to try to get the first down and win the game and did like the John Elway thing, but he flipped around like three times and fumble. And the Texans lost the game. It's so interesting. Both those guys if you like we've said, somebody saves Rosenfels I remember the Rosen copperplate like how many people can we have a player defined by one. I love the way. That's great. Dwight clark. Yeah. Clint sterner, but even more so Orlovsky and Roosevelt's like the way Clark had a great career, but he is defined by that one play. But I mean like there are other guys like legitimately David Tyree. How does how did spaghetti not say that David Tyree? That's a good one. Shame on the first thing that came to mind was like, oh, the L Beckham catcher like now, he's good to your pulling, though. It's interesting that. That even the guys that went on to have nice careers are positively or negatively influenced in an outsized way by one play or two or three plays play change. So to juniors life, Malcolm. Lynn's vise Lynn Swann in the hall of fame. I mean Lynn Swann though, it's to place. It's the one the middle of feeling the one down the sideline. I'm not saying it's right. Well, the the one up the sidelines the the savvy people now that, that was the better catch Abby. Here's the thing. They were Schick. I would not like if you tend to be rose pretty good. If you said, Ross, when I was ten years old Ross name some players that played in the seventies, I, maybe my first one would have been number eighty eight for the Steelers that does of how many times right NFL films showed him in the air seemingly for hours, you know, you wanna get bogged greasy out of the whole fame. Lot of people wanna get lynched one of the whole fame. You ever look at his numbers, I it's not real. Pretty I it's not real pretty lane. So I sat in three rivers stadium and watched his his dynamic play as a youth and made a great impression. The whole. I think he's an interesting for any reason you don't think Greece. He should be in Lynn Swann should up in. Oh, no. That's the opposite. The reason Lynn Swann whether you like it or not, the voters are human beings. And so those things impact them in a gargantuan way it's not the numbers now, more and more. It's harder to make a case for guys that have these that created visceral feelings for you as a viewer. It's harder to argue that point when people can say, but look at the advanced Dubbers here and that, you know, that it's tougher to make that came their voice. I was at the through it again. I hear till tell you what. Why QBR is a poor measure of. I don't know. How do you do you suck your nose in? Yeah. Can you imagine I can be even nerdier than I already more? More impressed by Kellyanne does voices or that he can make his facial expressions. Exactly like those people I'm not I'm not overwhelmed by impressionists as a rule. Really my favorite form comedy. Got it. It's not creative enough for you. No, it's a course it's something. I can't do but like the, the, the greatest or guys like rich little and Fred, traveling. Or are they on the great wall of, of comedy, your favorite comedian ever? Of a standup. I mean out grew up with ladder, Mun, I love Conan O'Brien. You know, I probably if I had to choose it would be a tie between Jimmy Kimmel and Adam Corolla for comedians. No, no. I worked for that. No say. Let's eliminate them from the equation. George carlin. George Carlin was retained that galifianakis is currently a great who's. He's oh yeah. He's an oddball. Yeah. He plays the piano, and does these, these thing that it goes tickles away at the Pierre oversaw Netflix. But if you have a chance to watch his live at the purple onion, he recorded in San Francisco like six I want to say like a while ago. It's probably my favorite. We've ever seen because it's it's different parts like he'll sit down and do like non sequiturs and the piano held do some stand up jokes. Some crowd work. It's, it's amazing on Mullany is hysterical. Bill burr. Tom Sager Bill Burr Thompson era, Bert Kreischer. Joe like that whole Arshi fear that whole group those guys are all really what about, like, actors Bill Murray, Bill Murray, Bill Murray. John candy will fairl. I was listening so this morning on the eve Martin, his, his holy trinity late set from seventy nine I think eighty two goes the jerk. Man with two brains dead men don't wear plaid. You're going to be hard pressed ever live up to those three in a row. He makes them I was watching. A radio I was watching golick and wingo this morning on the familiar with those names K on the elliptical. And the Fillon host guy named Jason Fitz is the raiders fan does nice job. But he was arguing that Chris Farley wasn't really that funny overrated. I think referral. It was amazing. It's nothing else. It's Farley was absolutely hilarious. The guy who history has forgotten a little too quickly as Dana Carvey at the height of his powers. He's, he's probably in the top three to five SNL cast members ever really on your member him is doing that great, isn't that special that got tired, and that's what gets in the way of how he's regarded overall because the church lady, it was like again enough with the church lady, let's move on everybody, but that, that should not stain his, his, his body away. Work. The funniest show of all time. One of the funniest shows top three funniest TV shows ever is. The Dana Carvey show short lived. Oh, was with you wanna talk about a hall of fame writing staff. I mean it was you have to look it up. It Stephen Colbert. Steve corral. I mean, Steve corral, and they were all writers on it. Yeah. I mean I it's a Louis C K and oh my gosh. No way, Devaux Donald who's not a performer. But one of the great writers, well the show last because they got in trouble, they, they pushed it a little too hard and ABC yanked. They got an a lot of sponsorship issues. They did a thing where Bill Clinton who was president at the time had a bunch of like he was a chicken, I think, or something like that. And he opened up his shirt, and he had like all the little animal teats on it. And they started feeding on it. And that was a bridge too far. If I remember that correctly. But of course, what's the funniest TV show of all time. You told me I know what you're going to say can, I guess, you're gonna say the Larry Sanders show? No. But that's what that's top three. Okay. I'm not sure the correct answer is the Simpsons. Oh, yeah. Ever ever. That conversation. Simpson's is awesome show. We've gotten sidetracked, I want to ask you about this. Now, Ross Tucker. What did you make ethically morally otherwise of the US women's soccer team hanging? Thirteen on Thailand. Thought that was great given the rules that you need to score with tiebreakers. I didn't really care for the celebrating just almost got uncomfortable towards the end. I, I also look at the windmill and it's like dude. You're okay. But here's heroes have no part beyond the same field with you. This is like embarrassing, but this also a singular thing for the American women. Right. Well, it's a five time thing for the Alex Morgan or whatever somebody's girls, but it's not her scoring the thirteenth goal is it? I don't know. I didn't see it but I assume it was scrubbed score in those late goals. Right. It's the same thing it's funny. I don't the thing I don't care for is that it's has now it's changed with, like see this is sexist. If men did that no one would me do people not remembered the old ball. Coach. You do you, you surely remember the old ball coach with his Gators teams whip and teams, I remember ballot check when they beat. When they beat the titans sixty three to seven or whatever he took a lot of heat. Oh, no. You should've taken your foot off the gas disrespectful to not do that. And it has nothing to do with the gender of who's doing it. People have issues that are Jimmy Johnson used to obliterate, foes, and get that same. He to like you didn't have to do that. The push back on that is. It's not it's one thing if it's Vinny Testaverde throw in his ninth touchdown pass of the game. But it's not that you're putting up those point totals backups what you're gonna tell backups. I guess you don't get the play very much. But don't do good do bad. When you go in. No, the argument is, of course, are happy. They're getting the goal or they're getting a touchdown and their backup players Gators. They get in the end zone. Of course, are going to celebrate. They don't do it very much. Did you watch it? No. I didn't say it. Okay. I guess I don't need to see to know. So, but my point what's that from a lot of national sports radio shows a lot of people don't watch a lot of? I always say that. How true is that, by the way, do you agree with that, with that to pull the curtain back? I think the general public would be shocked may mortified to learn some of their favourite people. How little they actually pay attention to what's going on. I know what's going on. I know enough. I don't I don't have to actually want fair number. Did they would be surprised? Yes. There people don't watch as much as I played the game. Yeah. That was seventeen years ago. Man, you still you still might want to keep up with what's happening. What else we got? Man. I liked. I got I like the second to last question. All right. What kind of food does Ross like the when he's in Los Angeles Ross, your answer? So this is always a conflict for me because I want like in and out or whatever. But there's a lot of good healthy food out here. So it's like even unite lunch. I had a nice salad two grown men, eating salads. So what do I the first person ever to approach fifteen dollars Ross Tucker had a few cents shy of a fifteen dollar salad spaghetti listeners all node like they way the whole way. Yeah. People get a universal thing when you get a salad bar salad, right? Yeah. They way. Yeah. Yeah. Just when the salad bar, you get anything cooked and add to it, it was just like, oh, man. No, I do. I threw a lot of ham on their he bullet. NFL media are familiar with my game. I like to. It's a carnival trick that I play with, with the people at the register each day, I way, and I guess the price with tax, and then they take their turns at doing it. And I am the master of it. And I have on more than one occasion. Hit it on the head to the Senate. I did it most recently just three weeks ago. I called out exactly the scent, how much it was going to cost. I contend that salad should be free. But that's another conversation. Here's a I picked up Ross as I said, let's play the game with Ross's. I literally couldn't hold it with one hand. It was too heavy. But here's the thing, like, when I go to the airport tonight. Okay. I could go in and out and having in that burger before I go to the airport, I won't so packed all the time. Number one that wants so packed all the time. Number two. I know that at the airport. There's like these good tuna pokey places right? Where I don't even know what that is to. It's good. It's like they for sure. If you're going to get get it at an airport. No. But my point is there's just a lot of good, healthy food options out. And so, I feel like when in California I should have like nice salads and style as I always say, I think would five guys better in anyway. Do you think so, yes, I've never had five guys that how about that about that admission is there? No five guys in Pittsburgh. They have in Pittsburgh, and they have in Los Angeles, and yet, it's never passed these lips. What do I need it for? Good. It's good. I think it's better. It's not better than internet. I thought you were kinda sore. I am I just, you know what I feel saturated by by the subject. I loved the burgers, I just don't. Why do I need that another one to the road nation that you eat a lot healthier here than you, would if you lived in Pittsburgh. He'll where I realized that I would be much fatter than I already am is if I had never left Chicago, because that place, everything is you forget it until you go back there standardly every restaurant. And Chicago is just a massive plate for, I mean, they buy their plates from a different manufacturer the whole city than Los Angeles does because they just have massive platter size plates at every restaurant and they're heaped with food. You can't you don't have any willpower, which clearly I don't I you know, I be much fat. I think deep dish pizza is up there among like the heaviest foods you gab but, but I've you had. Having to have a nap after why now but if you lived in Chicago, you would need it very much. That's the rule people don't just just like once a week or once every couple of weeks time for. I lived there for you. I couldn't do it. Yeah. You, you do it because I can't believe we can get this delivered. But then, you know about a month and you're like, all right. I mean how how I can't feel this sick every. Every day. It's almost like a hangover. I had one of the great meals of my lifetime. At Petit twat in in Sherman oaks for my birthday with, with the lady, and it's always all butter, French food. It's I don't like French food. You would like this. I guarantee you smell right? No. I want to go to those there's one in West Hollywood, too. I wanna go to. Yeah. Whatever now I do still issues. No, no. Would Eddie Edie should do cut. That audio Email it to the one in West Hollywood. It'd be you know what? I mean people. Just listen to that. Now. I like no much branding. I just gave you right. And my table for tomorrow night, we'll be free. Thank you. Don't tell them Dave sent you. That's what I always say. The you know what is, is great though that the hookup that came from you. And I owe them some thanks as Yang Ling every once in a while those boxes come back with the Yang Lear on the influence most recently. Because of you, I because I was like, wait. Why is your Tucker getting the Yang Ling up from PA to there's only two bars in LA that carry Yuengling? By the way, how do you know that a lot of friends from school that lived in south jersey Philadelphia area and they live out here now? And so there's one bar in the valley called the Brickyard that had it and recently, a bar not too far from where the NFL is the garage on motor. Just recently started getting it in because half of the bar is a patriots bar. The other half is an eagles are the older side is an eagles bar, so they have jangling now because of the what was that place like during the Super Bowl? Yeah. Some fistfights thinks out with apparently based on the video, I've seen from Bruins fans you don't even need the oppose the opposing fans there these fight with the with each other Yuengling. Yeah. I just got the cans and they have great sin the pint glasses and the Christmas sweater. And now let's say that. Yeah. You know what's the best, one of the things the things the cosies? No, no, no. No coasters coasters, the thing that who's, he's, you just combined cooties and coasters to cosies. If you, if you could drink a beer, the way Tom Brady, and I can not the way you and Aaron Rodgers drink it, you, you don't need to better charter than me. I don't think I am. But that's not the I said that just to get your goat. And so I did. The only thing the way when the England you gotta go with the black and tan. Oh my gosh. Tell them that. That's like that's like a deep dish pizza. That's like same type of deal. But I mean, the regular Yang Ling is good. But the black tanning hydrate, even I e mailing premiums, sometimes rather than like logger logger light. I don't think I remind premium they only sell Schuylkill county where it's from like that's like the regional Yuengling premium jungley premium light. It's good. I like I like your neck of the woods, Philadelphia, I like Harrisburg. Philadelphia's a nice place. I was pleasantly surprised when the draft was there. I thought it was a, a wonderful place at had, hints of Pittsburgh to it in terms of architecture and otherwise, of course. Ultimately, Pittsburgh is the superior town. And I mean that and I mean that if they were that they'd have an NBA team we built, we took a vote like thirty years ago decided we didn't care. We don't need it again saturated what? What more do we need? We don't need NBA. We want to check that out will jump in the car drive up the Cleveland really doesn't wanna listen. We're. Lousy was Stanley Cups and you're already. Or what are we going to do in the NBA team, three sports city? You're not you're gonna major city. I mean as I really how you think it works. You I mean you're like a second tier city. We ain't Charlotte friend. We got we got we got our three and we're you know, well, the if you really want to assess it fairly. We're really kind of like two and a half are we really going to count? The buck goes as a full major league baseball team. The brewers outspend us every year. The but goes are like a four eight about the buck does that you call them the bucks the buck's our football team in Tampa Bay now. Okay. They came into existence in one thousand nine hundred seventy a buck goes came into existence in the nineteenth century bub talking about his pampa bay Tampa Bay in the cream sickles. Yes. They, they, they certainly deserve that more than. Pirates who came to be eight years, IRA did pirates. They're not the bucks to the pirates. You don't get it, man. You, you don't know the score. And by the way, we have we have a proud tradition, and Pitt football ever heard of Dan Marino. And Tony Dorsett. And Hugh, green and shady McCoy is less name like that. I was grandfathered in by Tony Dorsett himself. That's true. That's a true story. I said the door said I am now I have to tell the story or set, that's when he got fancy, and he put the star on the side of his head before that when he was a from a steel town when he was a pit they call them. Tony dorsett. Tony dorsett. Yeah. Didn't call him. Tony Dorsett out. He didn't go. Dow quip like Durell rebus or going yogurt. Gilbert day, a lot of lot of NFL Stilo Mike Ditka. He went to hope for you hope. Well, that's exactly what the Hopewell ruled your player, ten plus years, retired. A year or two ago from Hopewell AA, and then not not beaver falls where Joe Nemeth win. No. This guy's bag a bag the beaver fouled now. And again, we gotta beat though, quips it, I had that kind of name it, you know. Yeah. Nice guy, but, you know, charismatic he he's charismatic, whether he wants to be or not. And I'm talking to him and you know he's. You know, kind of, you know. Spend in the thirty seconds to until he can brush me off kind of thing. And then I said, you know, my mother grew up in Hopewell, and it was that just went back at what was fascinating about it was I talked name, and I talk about, you know, my, my grandfather worked at the J L steel mill and everything he knows all those references. And you swear, you know my mother wasn't allowed to play with Mike Ditka, and his brother when she was growing up. They grew up on the same block because the dicap- boys were known when girls would get on the jungle gym that they would pull down girls underpants. So my mother wasn't allowed to play with Jimmy Kimmel then asked about this on the Kimmel show in about two thousand and four and Kimmel said, do you remember the name Michelle zoo, basic, which was my mother's maiden name and said he did. He's, I remember. I remember Michelle and, and Kimmel said is that story. True. And he said that sounds like me. I bring up I bring up the name is that and the all of a sudden he went into. I went back and we, we didn't beat the quips and we gotta get him. And he loves the talk high school football local high school football. An hour later, I was in New York City doing something. And then an hour later in the same green room Durell Rivas is sitting there, obviously, separated by what forty years. And same neck of the woods, though, and Rivas jets, whatever. I'll be on cruise control with my answers to you. Then I bring the quips up till fifteen minutes later, we stop talking about high school football in western PA loves it. You know my my high school when they won the state championship between twelve they beat Quba. Is that true? They beat the quipped my favorite thing about Nemeth. What was your high school while missing home of while missing? Spartan do was the other. The other Hopewell kid Paul was lessening, really? I didn't know he went to hope well was lessening, I know it was a great number one NFL player in the last fifteen years. It looks like he could be like a movie character like his his jaw Keough spikes neck and just like he looks awesome. But my favorite thing about Nemeth is he legitimately has a Pittsburgh slash Alabama slash New York accent, like you can hear hints of it used to come on the radio and he'd be like, the it's just need to get better players. And you know as long as they can get some better players that I it was just funny to hear him 'cause you can hear the Alabama twang, but then you'd hear a little bit of Pittsburgh. And then the New Yorker would come in fifty years later, he is still by my measure the coolest guy in. Because he's not. I mean he, he is one of Manhattan's all time, Cox men and we'd you look at him. He's got that big beak of a I'm not a I'm a passer. I'm not a thrower of the football the way he speaks. And by the way, you ever want to give yourself a treat watch him at bam. Find the find the film a hint planet Bama, and watch him run around the he, he is like Roger Staubach. But bigger, you know, he he was a great runner and sling it, it's the coolest guy ever the best speech in NFL films history is when he shoot and stick in a Manhattan bar like why it's become an evil in me that I wanna have a drink with a young lady. Now again, as a bachelor, I'll never understand. Then he shoots the he shoots and the cue ball goes out of frame and you can hear it bangs in into the corner, pocketing thousand note. I don't know why that's become an evil in. Me. Look at that shot. It's a it's just a. It seems un-american. That's right. Seems on American to me. All right. Listen, I think we've covered a lot of good ground. Sipa gatty. We we've done it out for now. I think this is the most unique GDP. PDF episode ever because I don't think a single topic was stayed on longer than maybe the eagle suffer the most. But like nothing else is more than a two to three minute chunk, which I think is fantastic. I'll I have one more. Actual question for you. What do you make from an entertainment standpoint and otherwise Oakland Raiders hard knocks? I don't know how it can't be unbelievably entertaining. Now, I will say this Cl the Browns can be tough to top Browns were really good last year that show was awesome. And a lot of it depends on access, and what Gruden and may I give us but you think about vaunt has the Antonio Brown. Richie incognito. What do you think about that? Just those three what do you think about incognito back in the league? Other guys, don't rise to the level to be worthwhile. Another service for him. You know, the names of the guys who are like, wow. It it'll be a headache. That's why we don't want him here because that'll be a distraction to the overall roster. And we don't need all that Richie and. Nido isn't that he's, he's that good that it's worth it to bring them back a year away from football at this age with his baggage in that part of the country. I would encourage everybody listening to go back and read everything that went on with him over less eighteen months is the Jimmy Lee scary. Like some of the things he did from a mental health standpoint, and my whole thing was, I hope the NFL has some program that I'm not aware of where someone that dumb, what he's done has to undergo a very intensive mental health evaluation before you let them go out on a football field with a helmet on and go out and attack. And guys that reminds me I was watching. I got my highlight film NFL films, my personal one, and there's a play where I'm blocking really. It's all your place. It's Ross Tucker plays as awesome. And I'm blocking Gerard Warren, and he had a screw loose and into the play, you can see which touched. I've heard a lot about your art or. Well earlier the game you spit in my face twice. In money when the guys who tell the stories in the green rooms and stuff. I love listening to the source because they'd like, oh, that guy's the crazies and they're like, oh, yeah. He was he was spend my face, and then I'm driving retouched down all of a sudden, he takes my arm, and put me like an arm bar like are running backs going into the end zone and Gerard has my arm. And he says, I'm gonna break your bleep bleep arm to break your bleeping bleep an arm. I know drawer noted, okay. The plays over. No, no. I was legitimately concerned. He was going to snap my arm right there. And like just to think what is going on in your head. During a pro football game that while a guys blocking you, you think you know what rather than trying to disengage here and make the tackle? I'm gonna go this and put him in an arm bar and break, his arm or tell them when bring his on a weren't was, what was your MO weren't you? You're I was. You're a nice guy, but I definitely can sensing you that you can flip a switch. How scary first of all? How scary is it? They walk out on the NFL field. Are you scared in, like, oh man? We're going to start playing here in about always nervous and hasn't nervous for the result. I mean just for the physical. Is like scared until the first play was over. And that was like this is awesome. I'm going to kill all these dudes. That's your MO is that you'd like I had such nerve dinning Zion. I remember praying before the game. I can't wait to those games over I so much dress about playing well. And every guy you watch during the week you're watching on tape. You're like, wow, he looks good. So much stressing Zaidi, and it, it could not get released no matter what I did until that. I play the first play I hit him and I'd be like, all right. I got this. He's dead. I mean right. You, you, you went up to the line and crossed it. That's the if I ask if I asked twenty guys who played against they'd be like, yeah, Ross Tucker man. He was so dirty. So say cheap. Right. I've heard that guys would say cheap off of guys. He was he in there crossed the line though to get it done. Now, people say, was that voice that was your football guy voice. It's outstanding. So standing room of that. No one outside this law group. We gentleman. Now staying home or your shows. Fifty five minutes. At our me, so bad is it? Another thing getting paid for this. All right. Listen. I get the hint. No, this one last question for you. I can't wait to listen to this two more two more questions. Real question, you've been asking most in your light more questions, you'll hardest guy who's the heart music. Let's start the show. To show. Reggie White, right? That's what everybody says. Reggie white. Oh, no really your your, your careers, lot LAPD, right? Maybe year. But no, I was nearly one in two thousand eight wow, that's crazy. To think Reggie White was out of football, by the time you got there. So who's the who was the toughest to the one on one, best dubs. Got a block d line ever was Richard Seymour. I in his name come up. Leroy, Glover Bryant young. We're really good. Really good sap was really good. And toughest guy ever tried to block was was very Lewis really, because why so good. He knew a play was coming like half the time. It seemed like and then every time I went to block him with the butt of his hands. He would hit my shoulder points. Locked me out, shed me and make the tackling. Nobody does that. And every time I talked to people about any facet of life. I'm like, knowing what play was coming based on our formation motion and his technique. Now they're one of those take any talent. We both think Ray Lewis. I think big fast strong ferocious the dancing the two things that made him so great his technique, and how smart he was have nothing to do with talent at only I always think I was in the huddle mcgehee finally go mcgee's like talk, may, maybe, maybe just tried to cut him or something. I was like, okay I could not block them a pie. So then I ran out to him next time when I'm like a sprint drowsy. Dovan his knees. He still didn't go down, but it was enough that McGee was able to get like ten yards or something, you can answer this other one, because the guys, these guys are all stars, and they live in mansions ain't coming to no Harrisburg PA anytime soon to swim in your pool. So who is the guy who we understand to be one of the great defensive stars in the twenty first century who you found pretty easy to handle? This guy supposed to this guy's a Pro Bowl or come on. Dana stubblefield. You mentioned Brian Young. And he was the quiet star next to Dana Stubblefield Dana Stubblefield, because I think by that time data Stubblefield like already been defensive player of the year one year. And he's probably like, e was, I think he will he was something this is like, I think when I against to look it up for the Cowboys, he was just go. I think it was maybe like, eight or ninth or tenth year. He made a lot of money I cut them dirty early in the game. And I think he just thought I think he just thought you know what? I really don't feel like getting hurt. Like I really don't feel like this kid, this young idiot, cutting me today. I'm just gonna hold my gap and day here. Ninety seven player of the year ninety seven year in rookie of the United three good recall. I've see it's funny. I obviously know all the guys. But they're when I'm getting bad now, at like, what, what, what years did picture this, though gay in ninety seven. That's why. Graduated from high school. The guy was defensive player union fell. I was going like the prom and stuff. And then five years later, I'm playing against him. It's funny though that when I talked to players that they, they I mean Reggie Wayne is one of the exceptions to this high end player who I say at some point, you look across the sideline and go like, oh my God. It's Bill Belichick and Tom Brady. How are we going to beat these guys? And he says, that's a real thing. Most guys deny it and a decent read on who's Aligarh or not. I buy when those guys like now never entered my mind though. Let threes Cuban being. Let's I'm gonna go get him. I would be I would be I would lose before the game because I would just look at Crosby like, oh my God. It's ballot. Check. I think I told you. I remember being in the in the locker room and like it was like Bruce Smith and Darryl green like what is going on? Crazy has been the NFL's those four and six and they're still playing in good someth- anyway. All right, good time. Let's start to show. I think at the music spaghetti. Let's start again, I think they show is a solid C. Plus, it's higher. Always too harsh grading. The great Ross Tucker, everybody, I, you know what I didn't do at the top of the show, and I feel like a heel is I didn't mention the Ross Tucker football podcast. I always want to say programs Stoker football podcast network east drive in money. College draft. Can I tell you something at the very end of the show you do? That's like the main reason why come in is dimension those things, and we almost. Without you meant you. My Twitter's at Ross Tucker. Anybody knows you? You're one of those guys people, check the analytics people even so listening now. Yeah. You're right. I would love to see it'd be unbelievable to go to like the apple podcast thing. And you can see like when your listener goes down. I like to marry that with, like the different topics. Right. Like, okay, I love that kindness. I wish there were those number. Now we're talking about. I don't know the Romo, we just dropped five. You know what I'd like to ask you. Here's here's this. No, no question more. I get the sense, just based on the Twitter, the lack of Twitter responses, I get from him. And if I try to interact with him he. Hi, hats me. True or false as Evansville, ever said bad about me, it's like I'm not into that guys these goofy for me. No, he's never said that to you know, I li- blocked him. He's very anti giant. He's like the point where he's a troll. So I can't. He's anything about about you. He's never mentioned you at all now. That's even worse. Do you think your fantasy guy I don't know? I was on your show once with him. And I remember feeling like, yeah, I just I guess I'm just not Evan Silva's Cup of tea. No. There's anybody didn't say do you like I don't know what maybe 'cause you said like, oh, the Evan, you're gonna love this. When I love is though is your off season your position. Well, how do you call it? What do you call it the given the tiers of? Yeah, they're really good song from. That is the guy. That's the keyboard player for Carrie Underwood who's got sort, I'm going tomorrow night, and Hershey. PA if I make this flight some life, you got going there. All right. Have a great time with that. Go take a dip in the pool in Harrisburg knew that. Hey, the great Ross. Tucker, everybody will be back with more who in applesauce for you next week. In the meantime, on the failure ears and your heart with Ross Tucker songs about football on the Ross Tucker football, podcast and the entire network of Ross Tucker podcasts, they're all grand. He's a gray and fellow we'll talk to you next week then slice of heaven.