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50 | Scotts Birthday Episode!

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27:48 min | 2 years ago

50 | Scotts Birthday Episode!

"Weirdo. Book worms unite. We want to share our love of John reflection with you some readers out. There may look down on you for your love of horror SCI fi fantasy but not us. Stop by as we discuss what we've been reading. He's jolly good fellow for. He's a jolly good fair low for he's a jolly good. And so say all of us. Hey, ya'll who? In our family. We like to sing for. He's a good fellow on people's birthday. It's it's a good one. Yeah. It's kind of a tradition. Happy birthday sounds actually kinda dumb. Why think that that's a little harsh? But it's definitely it's actually very hard song to sing technically. I don't know if you know anything about music, technically, I know a little bit. I also know that you have to pay for the rights to actually have that song. So that's right out a scroll that all of that's bad where we're doing a fun little episode tonight on John junkies. It's Scott's birthday. It is my birthday, and we'd had a very busy couple of weeks. So it's just been packed full. And we just gonna we're just going to celebrate my birthday for Wes for once in my life going to celebrate my birthday, we love Scott. We wouldn't be John junkies without Scott. It would just be stitches in I in that just wouldn't be the same. So we thought it be fun to do a bookish themed episode. But with a twist with a with a real twist. My birthday. So we're going to get drunk. No. But we are going to talk about again. One of our big hits cocktails nixed with books. Yes. Books with a side of cocktails. If you will. So we decided we would surprise each other. We didn't give each other a lot of warning. But we picked five books for the other one to find cocktails for and like we did this quick. Like, you have you know, it was kind of top of your head. Find a cocktail by books. I've minutes go. Yeah. So we thought that would be really fun to share that with you. And of course, you know, we like to do these fun episode from time to time we'll be back to are normally scheduled program soon. But for now, let's just celebrate Scott turning another year older, which is a good thing. Because that means he's alive and well anyway, well relatively well. I'm gonna party party down. Okay. Let's do you do want. Anyone you do? Perfect to start. What you start? Okay. I'll start that. Yeah. That's right. So I get to go first or do I go last? Well, your choices go first. Yeah. All right. So the first book, you sent me is actually my favorite book in this particular series, Harry Potter and the government of fire. That's why I picked that for you because it's your favorite book in the series and Ishmael day. Now this drink I've made before I've I don't know a name for it. Because I made it up off the top of my head many years ago, many moons ago, and I made it a little bit of an adjustment. And I guess I'm just going to call it a goblet fire. I like it. So it's a shot, actually. So what you do is you take blue Kerr Cal, and you take gold schlager and gold slugger gives it the the sparkles inside of there like like wizards. Fire. But then the special one is you're also gonna do a one fifty one float on top of either rum or ever clear and light that on fire. Holy smokes. Oh, it's a fire shot. Oh, Mike blow it out and drink. And we'll just you know, know, you blow it out and shoot it. Oh my gosh. Well, I'm gonna go with round because I have drinking clear, and it hurts me. But you know, I am a sucker for anything with blue Kirk. How I fricking sucker for it. I think we learned that. With my last cocktail picks and also like gold schlager because it's gold slugger. You were you were at that party where where I made that following party many many years ago. I don't remember it. So that must mean, I was having a great responsible time. Means it was a good drink. Yeah. Well, you know, you live. You'll learn try to drink responsibly had get to your adult years. Okay. My turn. So you kind of picked a species for me you picked my beloved my beloved and Andrew not talk about it enough on here. Game of thrones, sauna fire nice sort of ice and fire. Yeah. Sure. When I just said beloved it. I remember same difference game of thrones people caves games of thrones. Thrones of gay by Georgia Martin sometime I'll have to tell everybody the story of Georgia. Marne appearing imaging go for it. Right now, we're doing this now so many moons ago when I first read this series, I was enjoying it. I was kinda marathoning it, and it was on my mind a lot and a headed dream that. I went to a book signing at Copperfield's and pedal. So kind of a local book place for a shutout Copperfield snot sponsored sponsors Copperfield anyway. And I was running lakes was getting off of work in the stream. And that was hustling. I'm like, oh my gosh. Georgia Martin is gonna be a humongous line. This is so stressful. It was a stress stream, and I managed to get you the bookstore and hustling through it. But like holding my books, and I've got my purse, and I I get to where he is. Is. And there's no line. There's nobody there and I was like a, oh, okay. So a step up to the table, and he sitting goes little cap on his glasses you guys now. And I was like, hi, Mr Martin. I just want to tell you how much I love these folks. They mean a lot to me I find them so beautiful, and they're just been really incredible things we'd read and I just want to thank you for writing them. I know you're busy and I'm here late ED's. I'm not going to take up any more your time. And he like, no, no, no, it's fine. Have a seat. Okay. So I sit down and he's like do you want some breakfast? And he turns around and he produces a countertop grill. And I was like I would love some breakfast. And so he starts to just make me like, some scrambled eggs and pancakes, and we just talked about the books and how much loved them, and we really bonded. So that's the time. Georgia are Martin visited me in a dream and reach your breakfast made me breakfast. Anyway, he did not make me a cocktail. So this is the cocktail. I would choose. I love me villains. Love villains. Love evil characters. My favorite is how slam Stor from the series. I love the Linister 's slow the rooms of game. There really are. But you know, they're fun. They make the books a big part of what they are. So for house, Lancaster, I chose gold shimmery, champagne cocktail. Oh, no. So though, I I just wanna say I have this this cocktail on my list as well. Shanna? Yeah. Absolutely book for four red rising. Okay. Well, we'll get to that. And you can talk a little bit about why you picked it for that. Yes. So this one I picked because besides Bluecher Akao. I also love champagne, and I love champagne mixed in with things, and it was just so beautiful in so decadent looking. So this is very simple you use edible. Gold Lustre test. Saint Germain or elder flower liqueur, vodka and champagne of some kind of sparkling sparkling wine speed awful. It looks drag in the scale ish to. I don't know it just like I looked at a lot of gold cocktails and a lot of them looked beautiful. But I was like I can actually see the Lancasters sipping this at Casserly rock. So that's what I went with. Yeah. Lancaster's for life. Great minds, think alike. Apparently. Yeah. 'cause why don't you talk about red rising and talk about why you picked this beautiful drank. Oh, and also, you know, very few of these I would imagine like could not translate to a non alcoholic drink. So like you can make a lot of these not alcoholic if you don't drink that one would be an easy one to do. Oh, yeah. You could do it with Martinelli sparkling cider. Yeah. And there's like different sorts of like elder flower like non booze things at an since you don't drink or if you're age, you know, get creative. You can do a lot of mock tails and get the same experience. Well, kinda yuck. Well, I picked it for red rising because it just reminded me of Brown. Fantastic. Sers excellent series. I still haven't read the golden sun. I have I'm all caught up all the current rations of the book says Amanda book club. I. It wasn't everything I wanted. This most recent book to be, but I have such faith in Pierce Brown that I'm like, I'm going. I'm seeing this through till he stops writing these characters. But anyway, red rising about rising tells about why you picked this. We'll I picked it. Because this is what I imagined the gold cast drinking at their lavish parties. Yeah. It just screams gold to me. It looks like, you know, those those bouncy balls with all the glitter and childhood, exactly. It's like oil and glitter. It looks like that I agree. And it's just it's just perfect. It's exactly what I was matching. Exactly. Yeah. So that's why I picked for that. That is so funny that we came really think you're drinking liquid gold as opposed to like a gold flake, which might not be buji enough in all cases. Yes. Exactly. Yeah. We needed something that looks like I melted down gold, and I'm drinking it because I am heartless and cruel and evil. That's so great. So I guess you have the next one yet. And also, I mean in case, you can tell read rising, and we might do a red rising episodes some day, it might be worth going back to that is an excellent series. It is very is very strong. It is very violent. It is very it's a crazy. Concept of outer space fantasy science fiction. Absolutely look into these books. There is you'll read the premise, and you'll be like, oh, this reminds me this the men's me that but it is unlike anything on like any. Oh, yeah. I mean, you could you could say it's a little bit of enders game meets a large splash of the hunger games with with game of thrones. Yeah. All on tons of political intrigue. It's like in the way distant future. But also a lot having to do with ancient civilizations, especially Greco Roman. Yeah. If that doesn't already sound crazy and their spaceships, and there's it's incredible. You inventive. And I believe optioned for a movie. So you gotta get on it or a TV show or something they're going to damage it or they're going to doubt. It you need to read it before they do. That's that's always there. Will either way producer stitches sitting? Yes, she is. She loves Syria, part of the episodes. Okay. Stitches cat, not a person if you'd better not speak up because I'm not doing any editing to this episode. Now, this is he's like, I'm editing ish courting and going straight out. All right. The next book you picked for me is well, it's a series again, a court thorns and roses by Sarah j moss, which Amanda, and I covered the three books in the series. There's been another book, you know, kind of a wrap up book published, but we talked about the three we love these books fairy. Kind of racy at times a little bodice, ripping some cool girl power stuff and just a really really be useful take on Fayette and on the courts, and how these characters interact wonderful book, I probably don't even need to well wonderful series. I probably don't even need to describe it. Because I think everybody knows right like unless you'd living under a rock. It's a thing. I think a lot of our list. I think the only listener of the show who hasn't read it. Yeah. So I was really inspired by not only roses. But also the spring court in general, which big part of the first book takes place in the spring court. There's different courts their spring autumn. There's night there's the Boba goes on and the spring court. I was just thinking fresh spring, right? Right. And you know, everything small what it seems on the surface. But that's what comes to mind, right? I'm already I'm putting them. I'm picking up what you're laying down. I'm starting to build some ideas based on what you're saying go on. So what I picked was this wonderful recipe called a lavender, lemonade, Rosa cocktail. Oh that sounds really good. And this whole recipe is on a blog called plays. Well with butter, which is that's like one of the best names. I've ever heard for law. It makes me mad. I didn't think of that a really good name. So I do want to reference that blog because there's kind of a an ingredient part of this that you need to visit the blog because I'm like, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna write all that out. That's crazy. So you go there, and she's going to teach you how to make lavender lemonade, and you make it with like like dried, lavender. So the drink has this like really beautiful seedy look to it. A lot like CD bad CD like spring like things sprouting and growing. So you do this Levinger lemonade? Then you put in Rosa. I love Rosie. Yes. Way Rosa Roselle day any sort of millennial colloquialism about Rosa. I I am that. Yeah. And it's definitely a favorite in this house. Yeah. See do those Nielsen do sparkling water? This really does sound like you're kind of drink. Yeah. I mean, I'm always. I tend to not pick things on the tart side. But the balance of the Levinger to the lemonade sounds good. And I do love citrus. I just don't always like my cocktails like super super citrus. But this had a nice savory element to it. And it just sounded. So so key for the series. Sounds very natural very very yet. A like. Yeah. But also for you. Let's be honest. You could put lavender and anything and suddenly you'll love it L. Jinx. I'll eat it. It will put it on my body. Like that lavender that lavender law Tae that you trucks hobbies, which is the Alphand the America of coffee places. I post about them on my my personal Instagram too. But they make a lavender rose law that I get with almond milk. So I'm not down with milk and h my life. It was a spiritual experience. I don't remember who are what I was before this law. So yeah, this is kind of a fun. Cocktail version of of that. Yeah. Good. Find my life. I think we're going to have to make that one that that's that's one that's going to be introduced to the house. Oh for sure. All right. Scott hit us with another one. All right. Well, my next one is dark matter and dark matter we love dark matter. I adore dark matter, and I I actually between two different ideas on this is that allowed well at your birthday it's allowed. I could do it. I can do it. I want whatever I'll do it. I want. So a I idea I had immediately was a Long Island, iced tea, but K the ingredients are all separated individual shots. And you have to do them one at a time. That's crazy 'cause an ad nece because it's multiple dimensions hall. So you just have multiple dimensions laid out in front of you. And you just have to do it one by one quickly as you can sounds exhausting. Yes. And it does sound exhausting. And that was my inventive answer. Okay. That's a great answer. My other answer is literally a flight of anything. So just like like like like an eight eight glass flight of scotch or an eight glass flight of just anything really wind. Exactly because it's just it's different versions of the same idea. So different dimensions. Anything with multiple things in front of you, somebody insert a slow clap here, while you're listening at home because that is good that was Kalev week you trying to up our game a little bit like we like, these cocktail episodes, and we've got to keep one upping ourselves with everyone, and that my friend. Good. Thank you very much. I thought I thought for a whole one minute of my five minutes on that. All right. Here's my next. One Scott picked for me head on by John's goes iw, which was a scifi. Police procedural that we read a while back. It really took me by surprise. And I know that you enjoyed it a lot too. And I was curious what you'd come up with it was very clever book. So I decided I needed really clever answer. So I decided to pick a drink with a chaser. And they're on the chase. See what you did there? I love it. So in my studies, I came across a drink. That has a chaser included in it. Oh, you didn't. It's got the funniest name. I've ever heard. It's called an Irish trash cab. This is like an Irish curb home. So you take one ounce of each of these Jin light rum vodka schnapps blue Kerr Cal my precious Bluecher Akao triple sec, you make Senate can of red bull or other energy drinks. Red bull will turn it green. Apparently. So there's your chaser already mixed in with the cast of characters. Not what I was expecting. Oh my goodness. And you drink that rapidly. I believe. That sounds like a trash can. I mean, it sounds like such a hot mess, and like you will be such a mess even one ounce. Haven't outs upstarts half ounce of each of those things that's going to add up? That's gonna mess you up. It sounds like a Long Island iced tea on steroids. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I'm that's what you get. It's what you get for head on these days. It will definitely take your head off. Oh, and that's kind of a theme. Yeah. Beheadings? No. I like I like that a lot. Yeah. All right. So my next one is what is your last one? It is not my last one. Oh, no, no, no. I've got two more. I this one is a wild card by Marie Lou. And for this. It's quite simple. This was actually the hardest one for me to think of. And then when it finally hit me it, just okay? That's it sake bomb. I love sake bombs LSRJ go on. It's it's an exciting fun. It's not just your normal dropshot. It's like it's like, you're suspended the shot of sake is suspended over the beer, and you don't even touch it. You just slam it into the depths. And you know, it's usually put chopsticks over a Japanese beer the shots bouncing on top. You hit the table here. This the sock drop said and you drink among I love socket bombs. Yeah. And that was just that was pure, pure and simply what had had to be for me. I love it fantastic. But you know, it's not as creative as the flight of whiskey, but but it still is creative because it does fit the kind of fast paced adventure action of the book, and it also has kind of like a Japanese element to it. Which a lot of the book takes place in late Tokyo sobbing perfect. Okay. My next one is resistant by Rachel sparks, which I love this book so much and we love Rachel so much. She's agreed author. We had the chance to interview her, and it was such an honor and a pleasure to talk to her. She such a smart lady. Rachel Bruce beard home. She has a Homebrew sort of vibe tour. So I was like, okay. This would be fun. I want to do something that involves beer. Okay. And I wanted to do something that reminded me of the title resistant vitamins. See? So this is the vitamin C brew. Okay. So this is orange cheuse gin in American style logger and an orange wheel to garnish soc- resistant to getting ill because she got shoe vitamin C in there. But there's a beer sort of element to it. Which is you know, kind of fun for the book and also for Rachel. I love it. I think something would like Scott. It actually does sound very good. I just I know Rachel out. They're going to be listening. You're just gonna be like shaking, your cage vitamin c doesn't work. I know I love that a lot. That's a lot of fun. I liked that a lot that was that was really thoughtful. Exact. Yeah. I liked that a lot. You know, Rachel deserves. It is she. I don't know if she makes an American style lager but shit now she does she should she should make that. You're welcome. All right. So so my final one was the Martian by Andy, we're which I love the Martian so much any favorite books. Probably really is up there as one of my favorites. And and it's just. It's so scienc-, it's not even science fiction. It's just science. And if you've read the book yawn. What you've seen the movie though, right? I'm not none of the above the above. All my goodness. I'm I'm now, you just you you found your little Martian, and you kept it close to your chest in. It's your little precious Martian. You don't share it with me? Okay. Well, this is this is kind of it's not really spoiler. But everyone knows he's trapped on Mars and one of the ways that he finds to survive is he finds a way to grow potatoes from freeze dried potatoes on Mars that sounds very complicated. It is he sciences the s out of it. I'm not getting this podcast. So I'm not swearing. So there's really only one answer vodka potato vodka, right? Not green vodka because if he wanted to drink on the moon on the moon on Mars, wherever he was the only thing that he would be able to do is he might be able to make some vodka. Are you suggesting we at home try to make vodka because I think people go blind that I am not I am not making bathtub vodka. There is plenty of very good vodka available at the store, although there are some of those vodkas it might be better to actually drink bathtub podcast. Let's be honest. I don't know if anyone's ever had taco before. But gross. But yeah, it's pure and simple. Peer potato vodka. That's very clever. I like it. That's very smart. Okay. My last one it doesn't sound very exciting. But it sounds delicious to me. I have the forgotten island by David Sada grin, David. This one to you soon. Hinton? Spoiler alert spoiler. Silently. So what do I have to have? Bluecher cal. Because I love my blue Kirk out. Right. So this one I found is called the big easy blue punch, which also is very New Orleans ish. So it also checked that box for me because I love anything New Orleans related. So I did the big punch Bluecher Akao coconut run lemon juice pineapple soda. Then you drink that you're happy. And I can also imagine the kids in that book. Censored kind of like they're on this crazy spring break trip. That's probably something the bartender with throw together for you. You knock back if you those and get wasted. That sounds deliciously island and incredibly dangerous, right? Exactly. So, you know, watch out for giant creatures that will get you. Well, I think that's all of our cocktails cocktails. I want to get to drinking some cocktails because it's birthday. Yeah. So let's do it. Let's do it. Okay. Everybody drop on by our social media wish Scott a happy birthday. He loves you. I love you very much and thank you. And we'll be with you soon with more bookish content. So until then drink responsibly, and please keep reading pass ship at time.

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Game of Thrones Re-Watch | Season 6, Ep #5: The Door

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Game of Thrones Re-Watch | Season 6, Ep #5: The Door

"Winter was here. But we are just getting started on our rewatch of game of thrones the door season six episode five of game of thrones. And now here the two guys who are ready to hold the door open for the final year of game of thrones twenty nineteen I'm rob Cisterna back with Josh Wigley. Josh happy new year. Happy new year. Oh my goodness. I cannot believe it. We are in the final year of game of thrones. After this year twenty nine teen. There will never be anything related to game of thrones ever. Again, we have to savor these next few weeks and months Robert Jess there will be probably no less than seven game of thrones of projects in developing lucky number who won one for each of the seven. I think that the mother the father. The stranger. The krone lady crane all will be involvement at HBO. Oh my God. Please not the lady grain show. No. Yeah. All right. So a lot of stuff to talk about here. Very famous episode of game of thrones today the door and probably the highest high. We've had in season six so far. Yeah. Absolutely. Some time travel getting dipped into my game of thrones over here. What a what a treat, and I remember at the time when this episode aired just being fully mind blown by the Hoed or hold the door reveal which of course, as we've relitigate numerous times on this podcast and everybody else in the game of thrones spaces also covered extensively the books by George. Martin are only through five out of seven entries currently published and in those at some point in one of those final two installments this event that we see here in the door where or becomes. Or and he becomes Hoed or via some brand time travel warning green seeing shenanigans chicanery that's going to happen at some point in the future book. We haven't even read that yet. So for the book reading crowd consistently losing the advantage over the course of these final these last couple of seasons. This was a big win me. I think that this was probably the biggest WAM e up to this point or people who had read the books first before watching the show. Nobody saw this coming except for the story of that one guy who corner Georgia Martin and elevator and said, hey, as or called Hoed or because something happens where he has to hold the door Georgia Martin was like, well, you guessed it. But no one's ever going to believe you, and then it actually happened. Yeah. I mean that also plays actually in-in-in Vader. I think so I think that's the story. I feel like that's the story. I may be a little bit fried at this point and getting that jumbled up, but I believe that that is that's my recollection. Wait, hold the door. Oh is that like how close you are? Someone can correct me. If I'm if I'm wrong in that story. Like, there's a version of the truth is somewhere baked into that story. Okay. All right. So a lot of stuff to get through happy new year to you, and yours Shosh into you, and yours, rob I expect this to be the greatest year of all time. Come on come on your hot streak in jeopardy. That's true. That's true. Let's open things up with Santa. And interestingly the episode the door starts with a. Doc knock knock on the door reaching for the soundboard show. Oh. Maistre Maistre Mike is ears or burning right now? God. Yeah. But the begins the knock knock, and it is a scroll earth Sansa stark Sansa has a visitor in mole's town. She has no idea. How far mole's town is which feels kind of crappy for somebody who is from the north feel like you gotta know your your northern geography a little bit better than the. Yeah. And then Santa's gonna head down to mull sound, do you think she tells John indaba it's like having to go out for a bit. Yeah. Going to most towns down also is like desecrated at this point. Right. I mean, like it's been ransacked already doesn't seem like there's much going on when Santa gets there. She's like this clandestine meeting an abandoned house in moles town. So for her to go to most town feels like a kind of a big deal you'd have to imagine that if she had told John's, no he wouldn't have been thrilled at the prospect. You wouldn't think so I have to think that this is. Under his nose in terms of under his nose right that he doesn't know about if it's under his nose netting behind his back. His back short, then she will give him information later on. And he doesn't say is that what you were learning when you went to mole's town by yourself. Yeah. But if he's upset by that she's going to be able to mitigate the pain by giving him like the sweet sweet stark emblem on his new layers new blanket jacket. He's thrilled about that. All right. So we are very deep into the little finger travel by map era last week. We saw him in or over in the Irie. And now here he comes up to the castle or outside of castle. Black to moles town this week eat so fast little finger is the fastest character on game of thrones. The least Basel thing that happens in game of thrones considering that this canon that he is so fast is that he's not able to just like duck away. From aria stark when he when when she eventually is going to slit his throat like the second that trial begins. He should have just been like the flash and blinked out of the room. Yeah. Little finger is telling Santa he's here to give her aid. What's what's fingers play? Here is is he sincere that he just wants to see the Starks back in the north. You know, we're we're in the we're in the final era of little finger at this point. He's gonna make it through this season. He'll be in all of season seven, but we know where his story, and and so with the benefit of knowing where his story that we can safely say that little fingers kind of in like desperation mode. A lot of a lot of those gambles have not paid off the way that he had hoped and probably by his own admission. He's he's a gambler if you're not willing to lose everything you'll gain nothing in kind of losing everything part of the tailspin here. And I think with with Sansa he he's bring the nights at the Vail up. He knows that. She needs some help. He knows that she's going to try and rally the north and he wants to he wants to do a make good, you know, he wants to make her feel like she can be Queen of the north and be the person who is large and in charge up here with the backing of the veil what he isn't accounting for once again was just how awful Ramsay Bolton was that's what he missed out on the first time. And now Santa is going to catch him up on everything that happened between her and Ramsey and little finger is going to be news to him, and he's really not going to be able to do anything in the charm department. He's not going to be able to talk down from all the pain that she's lived through. Okay. And she tries to describe some of the things that she has been through a little finger does not really want to has too many guesses about what Ramsey did to Sansa. And she brings up a question of like, oh, I thought you the guy that knows everything. No this. This. Psycho. I think we have except with game of thrones gives us at face value with with the finality of where little finger goes in his adventure here on game of thrones. And the answer to that is like as a lot of hype for a little finger for a whole lot of nothing. You know for somebody who's supposed to know everything he didn't know Ramsay Bolton. And at the time, you're like, okay. So how is he going to rebound from that? This feels like a little bit of a character flaw in the in the writing of little finger, this seems inconsistent with everything, but he's also going to get dunked on in the end do. So I think we what's by what the show has trying to sell us here with this line from Sand Lake you suck little finger. You should've known. You didn't. I thought you knew everybody's secrets is screwed up says Ari that I think that's the real little finger. Yeah. He's kind of like the wizard of Oz. Leo. He's all powerful pull back the curtain not a lot there. Do you think that little finger travels around west rose by hot air balloon? That makes sense. You would see the balloon. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, there's I dunno gave it there on the balloon budget. So. Imply the balloon it'd be they have the budget for just about anything they want at this point. They'd have to add an extra episode comedy it for the balloon. They can do that little finger does have one important piece of information that the black fish has rallied at riverine. I mean important or like we have to fill out some time in some of these episodes coming up. So we gotta do a little bit of a river run story. That's not going to matter at all anyone. Well, we need to know. The river run story is one of those useless story wines in game of thrones. We've just survived Dohrn and we survived car. I don't think river run is as bad as those two. But it's just it's completely useless. There's nothing comes out of it. Well, I think that it's at least it's it's well done in terms of their an important outcome. That happens not really. But I remember enjoying all those scenes. Well, I'm not I'm not so sure that that's true. I'm not just there's nothing. That's is. It's mine. You know, laughably bad. No, exactly. It's totally fine. It is it is middle of the road a river runs. Right. Game at thrones in terms of quality. And it is just like perfectly average. Okay. All right. Let's go back to Bravo's for some more sparring between aria and the waif. Yes. And the way is is kicking Arias button. Doger's? He's not ready. She needs to go home before it's too late. And then the fighting resumes. Once again, are you is trying to to prove our worth in combat, but the way is still just getting the upper hand. Yeah. The wave says you'll never be one of us ladies stark. Wow. There's there's truth to that. Are you Starks gonna gonna aria star? I know there's a lot of sunk cost here for aria in terms of all the time that she's put into becoming one of the faceless men. But a certain point Ari is just got a cut bait here now. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean in through enough. Yeah. She's gonna she's going to you know, she's not really going to graduate. But she's gonna take all of those skills. She learned at the university of black and white and she's going to be able to to roll into the job market and take her face off and put on other faces and still do all the stuff. So she gets to still be our starts. So she kind of gets the best of both worlds. Okay. All right. So aria is with Jack in gar, and they are talking and he's got a new assignment for Arias like a little bit of video game. Like, all right. Here's the next mission. Oh, man. This is like a band or snatch moment where she gets. She gets to choose whether she wants to. King Jack in the malls. Okay. So this mission. Yes. Or at. No, no, okay. So aria is told about a new assignment and the assignment is there's a lady named lady crane. Yes. And she is a performer and you need to go and take her out. Yes. Lady green needs to die. She performs at this theater in shields square. Are has been given a second chance. There are no third chances. This is it. So either way if she if she succeeds and lady crane is is killed then that's a big victory for aria. But of aria strikes out on this one Jack in Gars, basically saying it's you who will die aria. So that or get this one right high stakes high statistic. The euro lady crane aria, okay? Yes. We now go to the performance live in Shilpa square. And it is. A vaudeville version of the game of thrones song of ice and fire. Yeah. The crane of thrones. This this is a fun scene. I don't remember what we thought about it at the time. But this is you know, it's obviously, it's it's very upsetting for aria to watch. And it's a real perversion of history. But I think to kind of relive the glory days of season one in some of season two in this extreme fashion in this story within the story. It's kind of fun. It's a little different from what you normally get on game of thrones. You have to appreciate the craft that was involved in order to bring it to life. I'm sure that there was a lot of rehearsal and in terms of putting this on like an actual play. That's my memory also of speaking with the director of this episode Jack bender who is one of the great legendary producers and directors of wass to show that I am currently rewatching, which shares DNA. This episode the door. I think that's fun. I think it's a good sequence. It's not like a big move the needle type of sequence not even in the sword sense of the word, but I think it's enjoyable enough to to revisit. I don't know what this is. I I really don't. I was watching this. I'm like, what am I watching here with is? There's a ton of fart jokes part humor. Yeah. The Tyrian Lancaster character is just like pulling the woman's top off in this show. Like what what are we doing here for lady crane now? Correct me if I'm wrong, but this to our knowledge is a show invention and not from the morale of Georgia, Mark, right? As far as I as far as I can tell that that is that is indeed the case, I think it's it's here for not only to be like a little playful with the show, but also to reset aria who has seemingly rededicated herself. So deeply to the house of black and white to get her in this place where she is remembering of the pain that was committed against her her family all all of the the horrors of season one and onward. Yeah. And I think it pulls her back away from the mission once again, and it makes a lot of sense as to why Jack and garwood assign her this mission in particular because like either you're going to to measure up, and you're going to be able to kill this person given the story line, and you're not gonna get completely derailed by the personal vendetta or you're gonna fail here. So I like it from that perspective. And in terms of like, the u Tilleke of where this may be going overall. Like is there a greater significance to the lady crane story line is something that we would imagine the answer to that is basically know that like we know the answer to that in the context of this season that she is going to die in the Arias gonna fight the way in Arias going to reclaim herself. And all that. But is there something to be studied? In fact, that lady crane plays, sir. See who are hates and has had on her list. Forever. People. Have wondered will there ever be any kind of confrontation between aria and sir? See in the endgame of the show, and in this version of events Arias able to find sympathy for the woman who portrays sir c Lancaster is there any such sympathy for aria to find in her relationship with the actual Sirsi Lancaster later on down the line. I think when we when we get a final accounting of these storylines. I don't think it's impossible that there will be sympathetic irony that you can mind from the lady crane material in retrospect, it's possible that that could be the thing. But in terms of this being some sort of a test for her where sir sees already somebody. That's on her list. You would think that then? It would be so easy for aria to kill somebody. Who was sir? See as opposed to it being challenge for her to kill somebody in the if this was if lady crane was playing cat cat stark. Right. Maybe it might be a little bit different wish. I can't kill her. That's my mom or that Sansa. I can't I can't do that. But the fact it's already Serfaty like I feel like that would be a slam dunk to kill her. And it is interesting. What you're saying in terms of maybe could she take mercy on the real certainty not trying to rhyme. But I don't really know if we are it doesn't seem to have that takeaway of this is so weird. You play somebody that I hate. But I've really come to admire you as a person like she doesn't. It might be like a cool thing. But Susan's the character really has made that leap the picture that I could see though very easily is some sort of moment where because like what role does aria play in the whitewater war, right? Like as that is building up. I mean, the whole show going to be about that. Or are they're going to be these side stories that are more concerning king's landing more concerning vendetta between the Starks and the Lancasters and could you see aria going to take down, sir? See once and for all, and she gets to that moment where she could strike the killing blow, and she's just so exhausted by everything in her moment of character growth is she's had this band ac- about killing sir for so long. And she just can't do it in the end. And it's kind of like this lady crane thing repeating itself. And in that moment of mercy is that some sort of opening for aria to get got is that some sort of opening for the aria story to close out with this moment of grow. Just before she's code off. I don't know. I don't think that that's impossible to see. I like something like that is is is potential. There's potential for that on the board as we're looking ahead towards the final six episodes. I'm just trying to find. Doing the Lord's work. Little down on season six and I'm trying to find the silver linings weekend. Let's go backstage. Josh. Oh, it's gonna be behind the scenes because that was so interesting. The lady crane show wonder what it's like backstage. And so we get a real glimpse of what it's like to be one of the performers warts and all of game of thrones. She'll the square, and so we go close up on the actor who plays Joffrey. With no pants on. And it turns out that he has to warts on his genitals. Which I get why why are we with with all I know a million Clark says, okay? Well, why don't we have some male nudity? Boo. But why are we getting a close up on a man examining himself for wards? Boy. Leading this while we're learning to protect yourself protection is knock. No, I will not answer the door. I will hold the door there. I have. No, I have no defense of this scene. It's ridiculous. I mean, it's almost like p through the people that were asking for male nudity in game of thrones. Hey, you said you wanted male nudity. Well to be more specific like some sort of like monkeys Paul wish was made. I wish there more nudity male nudity on game of thrones. Like, all right. As you wish. I don't know. It's just showing that like it's a dangerous world in the world of ice and fire. You know, you can't trust anyone. We learn that lady crane is having a relationship with the actor that played Tyrian and lady crane is a rum girl. Yeah. Bob, no is name. I shop at a store. Great clothes. Yeah. She's a run girl. She likes Rum's. She doesn't drink wine and aria is is taking note of that. She now has the path towards how to kill lady crane. Nobody else drinks, the rum wise, all the rum gun. It's because of lady crane, and that's going to be the way to to satisfying, the deed the debt that the house of black and white is looking to collect say one of the thing that bothered me about bars, though, lady crane play the rhyming really annoyed me really did. Because is this earth? Are they these character supposed to be speaking English where what are we doing with this rhyming scheme? I mean, I don't know that I understand the complaint. Like, are you saying that they aren't speaking English? And only sounds like English to our yours. Does what I'm saying? I guess that's just nothing that has ever ever pinned on my radar as anything ever even think about when it comes to game thrones. So definitely didn't bother me at all. Yeah. In Star Wars are they all the characters speaking American English in a galaxy far far away. I mean, I don't know they they are to me as I'm as I'm listening to it. Sometimes the old English has has has shown up. I don't know. I've never this is never a blow your mind. Why is the rhyming such a such a problem with the with the English because they're rhyming English words? Yeah, that's the language that they're speaking in the show all the word. Words just happened. Also rhyme in the language of the game of thrones people, the whatever they talk about the common tongue. Yeah. They've been speaking this the entire show, but they just have to speed you wanna watch a whole show in subtitles. I I'm so blown away by the complaint that I just I truly like I'm trying to engage, but I truly don't understand how this is a problem for you. It is a problem for anyone else. I would love to love to hear from you. And for you to explain to explain to me, do you think the carriage are speaking the same English that you and I speak it. It would seem that way. Yeah. How? What they're talking. That's the language. They're talking. What's going on right now? What is happening? Are you an ice speaking the same language? What's what is this? I just think that characters are speaking whatever tongue. They are speaking in their native universe. But we're just seeing it in English. So we don't have to watch it. And subtitles this is not an issue that has ever once bothered me with this show or any similar like science fiction show or fantasy show Lord of the rings about it. I'm not going to I'm done thinking about it. You're just trying to fry my brain like code or and it's working. Hey, this is a dumb complain. You can add me at. Oh my God. Judge the English judge the glass Dungy English. This Jordan cliffs, Jordan Kalisz. Okay. Are it comes back tells Jack in a gar- lady crank didn't seem so bad? Yes. Yes. She has. She's got questions about like, why are we doing this? Yeah. Dead in Jakobsen. Doesn't matter. Just in my understanding of the faceless men, isn't there like some morality there. There's hitmen for hire. Like, I thought they sort of like they kill bad people. I think that they they don't question. They don't question what the many faced guide wants. And so the many faced God communicates to them the money. That's the language he speaks. So if someone comes with the right price to pay for the faceless men services. I think that they are they are game to play on many face. What to lives? Let's make twenty nineteen the year of Oiseaux. That's fine. That's a big hit at my house. Yes, they do your kids like Oiseaux. They do. Oh, wow. That's great. The my kids very much like things from the Phantom Menace. There are have they seen the Phantom Menace. Yeah. You know? I think that's probably the most kid-friendly of the Star Wars movies to show a kid. Oh, yeah. Easily. Absolutely where thoughts on Jarjur like him. I love him pro jar jar. Yeah. Judger? Yeah. They're not anti anybody. Three like everyone like everybody. Verde like, they like Darth maul Elliott, very cool. They like him even though like were they quite gone fans. Are they upset about that? Take take it or leave it. It's fine. It's fine. Like, Jake, Lloyd. They like everybody. They don't dislike any person. Great. Yeah. So we are going to check in with brand. This is really brands our of television and brand is going to get to see the formation of the night king. Yes. And this was another moment that was a bit of a mind mind boggle for the book reading and show only crowd alike because there has been no explanation for, mommy. Daddy, where do white walkers? Come from. This seems to be the answer to the children of the forest created them. They were people once upon a time. And then they got obsidian in the heart. Nice dose of dragon glass to the chest. And that is going to turn you into a white Walker apparently is the the way of it. And we see that happen here with with this man who turns into the night king, and it's bit of a reveal. That's just kind of airdropped into the middle of this episode. What do we know about this man, we believe this to be the night king? I think there's some theories that he is a stark. But I don't think that we know anything officially about the guy. Yeah. And he is getting a shard of dragon glassy inserted into him, which is going into his heart and turns him into the night king. We see leaf and the children of the forest there and brand wakes up like leaf how could you? Yeah. Yeah. Leave you betrayed me. Yes. And leave tries to justify it. We were at war. We were being slaughtered. Yeah. Cutting down our trees, we had to defend. Ourselves. And thus the white workers were born. Yes. And there's great debate. Is it is it considered murder if it's war who knows? But that's that. That's a dilemma for another day. Josh another time. Yes. Four for leaf here. So what was the idea of we need to kill the people all the humans. So we will then create this thing that will then be able to kill all of the humans. But at some point is it the machine turns year, war, begets, more war. Right. Like, this is the parable here that the one minute ship is just gonna leave everybody destroyed. Mutually assured destruction is what's going on here with the creation of the white walkers, and this attempt to outgun the impossibly powerful, humans that have that have the height advantage at the very least and probably the numbers advantage as well against the children of the forest. They tried to to recapture some power on their own and create the white walkers, and it it grows beyond their control. Now, everybody's in trouble. And the pacifist George are Martin. I think is trying to tell us something here that this is this this way lies destruction for all of us in winter is coming and we must band together in order to stop it from occurring. What are the white walkers a metaphor for nuclear weapons, I think that that works? I think any any kind of. Whatever whatever works for you sky net. Skynet works for me personally. The global warming is a well trod. Well, disgust metaphor within game of thrones. You name it any kind of adversity through just like short sighted thinking, I think is what we're seeing at that. That's what Georgia Martin and the creators of game of thrones seemed to have set their sights on all right onto pike. We're going to spend a lot of time here on the king's moot. A lot of it is is is moot. Man. It's not good. It's not good. It's bad. Okay. We'll you are Yar some of this. All right. So where we kick off the big kings mood who is going to be the leader in the primary for the new leader of pike. And so your steps up. And then there's a guy who was like what a Queen come on and Yarra gives her spiel. And then there's a guy who steps up. It says wait hold on a second. How could we have a woman lead us when bay Lonzo only male heir has returned and everybody looks to theon? It's like, yes. Theon should lead us. That's right. Even though we all hate the guts disrespect him at every single opportunity. Any of us have any had any interaction with him? Yes. That should be our leader. But he says, no he's back. Two full theon. He's like no Yara is the leader. She should lead us numbers. Like, okay. Great. But then, but then yes, you're on one point. Oh, and now we I think we're pretty high on the second time around for your on great joy following reboot. But here's your on in his original incarnation. Lotta robes he's allowed ropes lateral road. Heavy attire big hair weird beard, really mean just showing up and just farting all over the iron islands. And ruining a good thing. This seem could have been nice and short and clean and Yar could have been in charge. But no here comes show, you're on who is a pale imitation of book, you're on to just completely mangle the iron islands, and man is stuff is just well with now feeling I thought has good moment when he's telling everybody to for vote for Yarra. I thought he was like. The music swells. He has a nice moment there. But then here comes your on. And then we have to relitigate this whole thing. And he talks about how he's the one who killed the bay long, grey, joy and sort of calling him out. And he says, you know what? I apologize guys. I should've killed him sooner. Yeah. Yeah. He till he told the owns it. He's like, yeah. I got him. I did it. I'm the killer and he sucked. And I'm I'm I'm here now, and you guys can be friends with me. And everyone's like, oh never thought about it that way. Yeah. Everyone's everyone's into it. Yeah. And very quickly. They are on board with your on. Because he's got a plan of here's what we're gonna do. We're going to build a bunch of ships. And then I'm gonna go take the ships to go find the dragon Queen because she's got armies and three dragons, she's gonna love me. And then I am going to get her into these ships. And then I'm going to hook up with. Her. And then we're gonna take over your UN's really into queen's is what we will come to find out that I hear he is like being like I want to team up with deniro targe area. And that sounds like a fun deal, and that's just not really going to work out from. So he's just going to course. Correct. And go for C Lancaster and season. Seven all about the queen's loves the crown. Yeah. Everybody's on board with this plan and so find so now we got to do the whole drowned. God. Yeah. Meanwhile, while the ceremony is going you think this would take like all of like ten minutes to do. Yarra and the on steal a bunch of ships. Then just get the hell out of there. Yeah. They're just abled. Like everybody is at the ceremony except for the yard crowd. And they're they're able to book it. Yeah. And you're on too late too late to stop them from doing it. So you're on comes to and realizes that fee on and Yarra stole the ships, and he's pissed and he says, okay, let's go murder. My niece nephew. I remember. I said this at the time in any of the podcast, but it's always the touchstone that comes to mind when I watched the scene is when you're on in all of the other iron islanders are just like marching single file rounding that corner to go and look for the on yard just reminds me of mama for tally and her children and the goonies just like storming through the cave. Just such a weird walk. What a weird little thing. That is happening. I agree. I think it's a little. Low budget in terms of like, this is the the cabinet of your on great joy, realizing that they've been had for like all these like, reckless chaotic iron islanders. They really fall in line. Literally, like, it's very impressive feat for them to all be just like uniformly single file, very orderly. Right. Like they have like twenty guys, and they were all at the. Drowning of your on great joy. And then it was like nobody else was on duty that day. Right. Their ships, and then left the keys in the ships. And then the Yarra just show up take them all and then leave them high dry just bail. Yeah. And so you're you're on is telling these people like all, right? So they're gone. They took a lot of ships. But if you can build me thousand ships, I can give you the world doesn't ships is does seem like a lot of ships a lot of ships, especially in like the amount of time that it seems that they build them. Yes. Maybe you're on is also the innovator of some sort of ship assembly line. Yeah. I can see that. Yeah. Okay. All right. Let's go and check in advice doth rack where Danny is meeting with Giora and Dario following last week's big blaze. And so she's like Giora. I don't know what to do with you. Yeah. I mean, you saved me. And that's. But I also did once tell you that if I ever saw you have to kill you. So I can't kill you kind of have to maybe exile. You can't keep you. I don't really know what to do indoors. Like, you know, what I'll answer to this. I can't go anywhere with you. I'm sick. What no impossible. I've got the thing. I've got the spot. The Cudi spot on my arm, and you can't touch it. It's gross in you'll get sick too. Yeah. And this does end up being kind of convenient for Danny in terms of solving this problem and Giora is, you know, a big mush love you always loved you a love your, Danny? Yeah. And she says no do not walk away from your Queen. I order you to go get healed heal yourself. And so he's he's gonna do that you will do that. And she says when you get better you come find me 'cause you're gonna you're going to be part of the squad. When. Roland seven kingdoms is Danny bluffing here. She's sort of like, well, I know there's no cure for gray scale. So let me just send him out kind of fools errand? But at least he can go out feeling good. Yeah. Dated a little bit of that. But then like on the other hand, it's like, well if he does make it back. That's impressive. He's here for gray scale gods. Take back at that point. Yeah. Okay. So it's a win win for Danny? Yes, it is. And so that that is the last we'll see of Giora until season seven. I believe will be the next time. We see Giora and that will be once. He's getting his scabs picked. Okay. All right. Josh. Let's check in on what Danny's cabinet is thinking in marine right now. Yes. Because they are you know, it's been about two weeks two weeks or so since the packed with the master's have been no killings carried out by the sons of the heartbe only couple of masters have been killed and that was the day of the truce. So it seems like the future so bright and marine that they gotta wear shades. It's a good deal for everybody here and say for spe Tyrian feels like that we have a good story to tell we need to get it out there. Right. They need to craft a press release. Yes. They need to alert the media. What's going on? They need to bring back. Maybe the marine daily press briefing. Yeah. Yeah. They've made me Rian. Great again. Yes. Job guys. Good. Good job guys. But then Tyrian says, no we need a good spokesperson out there. Right. And none of these people are ideal candidates of the people who've been left behind me reinsert Tyrians a great talker as barris, but they're outsiders. Nobody really trusts them grey worm these guy Misawa really not feeling it herself Tyrian has another idea as we've been seeing for quite some time now out here in Esso's, the red priests have been feeling emboldened. They've been out on the streets. They've been talking to the peeps. And so tearing things we need to get we need to get a red priestess out here. Be pushing the word of what's going on here in marine. Yeah. I thought he was going to be going for Masan should be the marine and press spokesperson, I think that would've worked I think that would have been that would have been good Zahn speaks multiple languages. So she literally her job. Yeah. He's a communicator. She's in communication, no communications were shot. That's a line from the Phantom Menace that I'm sure your children guests. Yes. Good LB one. So we're going to bring in a red priests, and she is straight out of Lantis. Yes, can Narva. Yeah. Can Vara rather? I apologize to convert the environment, right? And to me this scene. Josh is interesting. But if memory serves ultimately other than to reset Varis is not down with magic. I kind of feel like that. There is no reason for this. No, I think that that's that's one of the things that is that is that is distressing on the rewatch of season six especially for me is how much of this. And granted we don't we don't know how the show is going to end yet. So there could be utility to a lot of this stuff in the final six episodes. There's only six episodes left to justify lady crane and environs existences. We don't we just don't know. But they're just feels like a lot of the the wheel Spinney material here in in this season that I had either forgotten or was. More tolerant of at the time. I think for the conversing and the matter of setting up once again Varis relationship with magic in which he really does not care for anyone who describes himself as a worshiper of the Lord of light or somebody who believes in the power of lower and can can do all these things giving his own personal history with a source or I feel like we will see in season seven right when when when Mel asandra embarrass meat, and she gives him that showing prophecy that I have to die here in this strange country and soda you. And so we're wondering what does that mean for various in the final stretch of game of thrones? Isn't there some sort of magical reckoning heading towards barris? And if so is that what a scene like this helps to reinforce that. Once we know what the final score is with various the spider will a scene. Like this take on a sharper. Meaning yet to me. It just seems that they just needed like Mel Sandra stand in here. And that's what this scene is about. Yeah. I think that seems that's fair. I think that it's you know, these episodes are an hour long. If not an outright our and they need the material. And so here's a scene with conversa-. Enjoy just eating various is gonna kill Mila, Sandra. No. I don't. Could I could more easily imagine Mela Sandra killing various, maybe? Though, I feel like that various has to get the jump on somebody you who has magic. But there isn't really killer. Right. I mean, like we haven't seen him that way. Certainly he's not opposed to leaf -ality as a tool, but he's not typically the trigger man on anything other than the duties had tied up in his box for years. So when when he does roll up his sleeves it is unconventional things. Like, the idea of watching Varis stab somebody is is a strange idea. I really I really liked the idea of like one of the more politically minded characters having to have a moment where they must reckon with the the magical threat, like the more supernatural threat that has been facing game of thrones all the way down like this is why I was so bummed when little finger died I felt like for little finger to become the victim of the white Walker. Although he is taken down at least in part by magic with brands that's somewhat satisfying. I think for for that to happen to someone like Varis, especially somebody who's history so tied up with magic as it stands room to be taken out by a white Walker and like a moment of slow dread. That he can't negotiate his way out of would be very painful and tragic to watch. But I think might be in character with what he has been all about various the spider verses and ice spider, potentially. Could you see that maybe that can happen? But as you the various needs to come down on victorious against Bajic hasn't he been through enough at the hands of magic that he also to die from magic rob view thought that this had a happy ending, you weren't paying attention. Isn't that a great whole line from the previous game of thrones episode? Yeah, I just feel like I could see various like snatching Nelson, RAs necklace or something like that to reveal her for. She really is. I it's been such a through line on the show of various hates magic virus hates anything with magicians. We got the whole thing about his backstory, we get it reset here again in season six gonna get it again in season seven I just feel like that the ending of his story needs to be various verses magic. And I think that he's just haunted by magic as a life. Well, I think that that that opened it up for me a little bit more of that. Like, I think for for Varis to somehow be undone by magic. But in a way that he has some agency in in a way where he can kind of throw himself into a situation that terrifies him, but he knows us for the good of the realm challenge. Those two ideas that are that are so central with various that everything he does for the good of the realm number one. And he is deathly afraid of magic. If those two ideas can can come into collision with each other and barris can kind of like spring forth into. To that dilemma, and maybe die that way or come out on top either way. I think it would be something that'd be very exciting to see in the final season. I think that for for him to kill Mela, Sandra. I don't know. I think that there's there's other stuff for Mela Sandra to have to deal with chief among them, the aria promise, those two stories after collide again, if if not for him to kill Sandra, then may be for him to like get on board and like recognize like Mel, Sandra. Like, we need you to do something Davos kinda had that moment or ready. So we'll see. We'll see. Okay. I think something like that sense sense. Doable. Yeah. Okay. But his path definitely in this final season. We'll invol- somehow intersect with magic I think it's it's hard to imagine any scenario where that's not the case, given the thrust of it. I think you classify white walkers as as a magical entity, right? So if that's the case, then embarrasses headed into that into that conflict, in some way, shape or form. Yeah. To me. I would say that. I think that the white walkers do not necessarily constitute magic, the dragons are sort of borderline for me. But I feel like that, you know. The, you know, the magic that we've seen him involved in has been sort of the Lord of light side of the story. Right. And so now it's time for for the ice in the equation, right? It's a song of ice and fire. I guess so. Let's check back in speaking of ice and brand he can't sleep brand people think that okay? Well, he's just a mature guy. But he's still like a rambunctious rebellious teenager at this point. And so when the three eyed raven goes to sleep it's time for brand to log into that treat or net. Using his dad's wifi password sneaking he's getting past the parent control settings. And he's he's gonna go. It's kind of hard to know exactly what it is. He's trying to do. It's weird because brand has been really interested in like peeping on his family and his own history. Right and like going back in the past. But here brand is just like going outside. Basically, also, it's daytime outside. It's seems like everybody's just like has agreed on a nap is this naptime at the three eyed ravens cave. I think that maybe he might have been trying to log into say like little fingers brothels circa couple of years ago ended up you know, because then he wasn't there with the three rd raven. I think he got hacked by the night king God. Okay. Okay. That makes sense. He's hacked is gonna be outside the cave. He's gonna find where all the white walkers. Are he's going to be very frightened by. The army of the dead and even more. So by the night king himself, and there's some some contact night kings able to grab ran in this walking vision. That's not magic, rob. I don't know. What is? Yeah. I guess so I guess so thinking also going to be able to cause like an earthquake from a distance later on the Nike the white walkers their magic outright, I guess, I guess so, but I feel like it's not the type of magic that Varis. Really despises. I think magic is magic. I think he's gonna he's not gonna love this type of match. He just. Love it. But I kind of feel like that Mela, Sandra. And the night king is not exactly the same type of thing. The in the Yang. They're the they're the great enemy of the Lord of light. Right. You know? So if he can align himself with the Lord of light and go up against the Lord of lights enemy, then that's that's kind of like killing two magical birds with one stone. Yeah. I guess I just feel that magical creatures and people that practice magic. I would say are kind of different. Magical beings. And then like like wizards and are like doing spells. I think that's what that's really like people doing magic. I think is what barriers really despises. I think he's not going to be thrilled to meet the night kings as in a rise. Nobody is an ignite king will pretty quickly rise to the top of his most hated list if they ever have the chance to cross pats. So we see brand he has been grabbed by the night king. He's got some mom marks on his arm, and he ends up. He wakes up, and he is very quickly. You Lert everybody that. Well, the night king. He saw me. And he touched you. Yes. Well, that's it. Now, he knows you're here. He'll come for you and brands like well, don't worry. We can't give in here. Nope. That's his marks. And now he can get in what nobody told me this three eyed raven with that with that meet chewy dialogue. The time has come blow you to become. Brand asks if he's ready in the thread. Nope, turns them into the three eyed raven all the same. I thought that the three I raven or told brand that he wasn't going to be him. I if I'm brand like you said, I wasn't going to be you. Yeah. I mean, I think that he is like a mobile three I raven. Okay. He he doesn't have to the millennial three eyed raven can be on the move and doesn't have to be plugged into the wall in order to get his power. Josh did the three eyed raven hill this was all going to happen where ever like pretending to be asleep. So brand would go do this. You have to think, right. Like, I mean, if we're gonna see in the next episode brands going to be continuing to have his Neo moment where he's downloading all the information of west rose history and becoming the three eyed raven and he's going to see the wild. Fire explosion from the light of the seven from the season. Finale. So you know, that there is like some version of forward looking that the three eyed raven is capable of. So if that's the case got imagine three Adra solve this coming, right? Like, this is all this is all part of the plan. Like all of this is kind of like faded in a way. Yeah. All right. So John is at the map up at castle black and they're trying to figure out. What are we going to do here? He's got a dilemma we can't defend the north from the walkers and the south from the Boltons. I mean, I'd argue that they probably don't have enough troops for either of those things. Right. Well, that's why they're talking. They're like, we got a rally, some peeps. Gonna get some people on our side. How about the embers? No, the numbers screwed us. They gave Rick on away. We can't trust the embers anymore, but the car Starks it didn't know that they had an option they weren't aware that this was abandoned snatch. Do it could go they go Bolton or stark. They chose Davos is like trust me. You don't have the car stocks. The your brother killed the very important car. Stark. That's not gonna work now going to not going to happen there. A couple of other houses in the north that they want to they want to try and track down. We get a namedrop of the of the more months. We know that lady Liana is on her way very excited about that going to be great. But John doesn't have the stark names, and that's gonna make this whole operation a little difficult and Santa Ana stark, Aiken, vouch for John. He's every bit Ned. Stark son is Ramsey as ruses. So we may have shot here. Yeah. Say it's also provides the information about how hey, and you know, the Blackfish he reformed the Tully army. Right. So we can go, and we can grab the Blackfish in the toys from river run and bring them up north as well, which will turn out to be completely fruitless endeavor. And just a way to get Brian and Jamie in the same scene together again for a little while Santa's going to send Bryanne on his Aaron saying send her to go and summit with the Blackfish. Can't send a raven. Whatever ends up stealing it. Right. Got to send seems concerned with that. But yeah, what what if what's harder to intercept raven or a human. Human moving slower unless your little finger. Yeah. Has got those dogs. Right. I feel the person's probably these thing to intercept. I don't know. Yeah. This Ramsey have guys along all of the raven routes from that go from if you drew a line from castle black to river run does he have a guy. That's like watching that route. Ramsey's got his guys. Good guys. Trust is guys. Because guy. Yeah. Rianne? She doesn't like it just like leaving Sansa loans as a trust any of these guys and that Wilding fellow with the beard doesn't like him. No, not a not a fan of torment. Even torment is a big fan of her. Just bonnie. Brand's gonna is going to go to river run and Santa's gonna hang back with John. Give him a belated Christmas present. Okay. Yes. So we have an exchanging of the gifts Sansa in her down time when she wasn't going to mole's town. She was working on some new threads for and for John. Yeah. She's got got this new new cloak. It's got the the stark signal started swag already fashionable. Yes. And it's for coat for John just like the one that used to wear. Yes. No. It is very on brand. And he is looking more and more like is not a father every day. Yes. Okay. So they're off to go start going door to door rounding up some peeps. And John snow tells Ed that he you know, he's in charge and without wall. Don't knock it down while I'm gone and had says he'll do his best. And apparently his best is not good enough. Yeah. I mean, technically, I mean, it wasn't ED's part of the wall that got knocked down. Right. It's still the wall. You know, he can't be responsible for what's happening at east watch. Right. He's literally responsible for what's happening at east watch. Lord commander of the night's watch. So, but I mean what the job it's a tough job. This is a fool's errand to be to be placed in charge of the night's watch your destined for job tough job. Not not for nothing worth noting that through the point where we are at in game of thrones right now, John snow who has spent the vast majority of his story wine either at the wall or beyond it is gonna leave the wall and not come back. This is the last John snow sees of the Nightwatch through through seven seasons of game of thrones. Okay. All right. And he can't believe that. He's the Lord commander that he gets asked. Should we close the gate Lord commander? And then it's like, what do you mean? Lord commander. Well. Oh, right. I am lowered commander yet. Does the Kate close the blood gate crazy ad? Okay. All right. Let's go for our big Khuda GRA here today. Josh it's a sad though. We have to say goodbye to leaf got him by too summer summer. Three Ida raven and all this his witticisms and Hoad or as well is on his way out the door. Okay. Now Mira is is pumped up. She's like finally we're getting out of here. She's talking about all the different things at her and hold or gonna eat a whole door seems to be in good spirits owners in great spirits, especially because Mira's talking about breakfast. She's literally counting her eggs before they hatch. Yeah. They're gonna have eggs and fried up, and is laughing how much does hold or. No that this is all going to come to an end. I don't think he knows at all. I don't think he knows that. I think that his brain was fried when he was a young boy eg. Yeah. I don't think that like he was like it was because like, yeah. I don't think it's like he knows that on January second twenty nineteen Josh and Robert going to be talking about the day that I die. He doesn't have anything like that. But he had this traumatic moment when he's a kid that links him to that final painful moment. And where that is how that comes to be whether or not he even remembers that beyond the initial ho during I think is up for debate. So I don't think that he knows what's about to happen yet. Okay. It's about to happen all the same. All right. So there's a ruckus going on outside so Mira and leaf go, and they check it out night king and his army is here. It's bad. It's not good. The Nike in the army are here and the Nike is able to like do some plate tectonic power with this. Does he ever do this again not yet? Not yet. You know? Oh, he's his appearances are limited on the show. So we just don't know the extent of his powers. Yeah. So that he can create a faultline crack the ice acsi ice and these able to access the great tree and he and his reckon crew are about to storm forward. And it's time to it's time to get this show on the road. But brand is. No no alarm clock in the world. That's gonna wake this kid up. And then why didn't the night king do this in season seven when like the band of seven is like out there in the middle of the ice for a whole episode because he he used the power. It's like a one time use of away the Mela. Sandra hasn't another shadow baby. These are hard magic spells to form. You can only the one time. Okay. All right. So meanwhile, we're trying to wake up brand. But we can't because he is in the past. And he is watching a young Ned stark with with his father. Yeah, he sees his father. He's seeing things from winter fell. And he's just having all these different moments from that from that courtyard moment in winter fell as Mira and Hoad or trying to do everything in their power to save brand. And stop the violence and stop the situation, but they are. It is it is a fruitless effort on their parts. The whites are just coming in children in the forest or getting killed and there's fire and the fire can't be passed. But they're able to get around the fire because they can like break into the cave through the top of the crave. Caves, there's no none of the plans are are working Alec. Every every line of defense is failing in the face of the night kings approach. Right. We do see Ricard stark neds dad, tell him sending him to go to the veil says look if you have to fight win. So we see Ned learns. Okay. If you have to be in a fight. You can fight dirty. That's okay. Yeah. Ned did not learn that lesson. Yeah. Well, I mean, he did when they were in that fight outside the tower. Joy, he wasn't the one who did the dirty thing. Yeah. Yeah. He should remember as dads. That was okay. All right. So you know stuff is going down. The whites are coming in every which way we need something to happen mirror is screaming brand brand wake up. We need you. Because Khodr starts freaking out in the muscle. Right. He's the tank, and if the tank isn't working there, really boned, and so MIR brand wakeup you gotta walk into hold or we need Hoed or bring them up. And so brand is like kind of loosely hearing this in division where he's in the courtyard at winter fell and three hundred brand you gotta listen to your friends. You gotta listen to what they're saying. You gotta do the thing. And so this is the moment where the three eyed raven must know this was this was the weird thing that happened. Right. This is like you're having a dream and then the alarm is going off. And then now you're hearing the alarm and the dream, right? Exactly. It's incorporating now, except a little more real than that. Yeah. Just a little. Okay. All right. And so the red raven schism this into your friend brandish. Enjoy your friend, Brandon. Yes. And so we are going to see brand ward into Hoed. Or now, if ho our could have just not been freaking out like I don't think that brand does anything as horror that hold. Our couldn't just have done on his own. But he gets scared. He gets scared scared and everything that has been like a really great fighter. It's not because Hoed or has been the great fighters because Brian asshole doors, the great fighter, but he doesn't actually have to fight anybody here. Yeah. But like he's kind of going to have to do a little bit of the fighting. No, there's like an occasional skeleton than is coming his way that he just runs with like he does the same exact job that door. Does all the time of just like get like just run with the thing and get brand out the door. I dunno hold is about to die. I don't wanna bag on owed. Or is. He's about to. He did. Yeah. I know he gets scared. He gets he was he gets spooked. And that's what what brand needed to do. But scares easily. I mean photo or could have just not been spooked. Then then none of this had to happen. Well, it's not enough that the poor guy has to die get shamed. By rob sister. Nino on a podcast that millions of people are listening to what do you think of Leafs thermal detonators of it big van loved the thermal detonator? Yeah. Leaves leaves a bad ass. We could use a little more leaf leave is a bad summer. Also is going to take out a bunch of whites. Also, but go down in the process too too soon for me to be watching a beloved pet die. This is traumatic traumatic for me, not not happy with it. All right. So ho door is getting everybody and getting them out to the back door. And so he is going to hold the back door closed. It is amazing that seems seemingly like thirty or forty whites pushing against just one door. But this is his moment. This is destiny, right? Like this is like he's supposed to play good vibrations and page the boat. Like, this is the thing. This is what he was built for. This is what it all came down to. So he has that superhuman strength is like the parent who can lift the truck to save their child from from certain doom. This is that like superhuman strength that that strikes. You had a moment of great, psychological importance. Yeah. We didn't mention the night. King has also made his way into the where would tree and he ends up taking out the night king who and then bursts into like a million little pieces of the smoke monster, right? All at once that is that the three I raven is gone. Does he live on in some ways, I'm sort of like a force ghost thread, raven? Yeah. I mean like, I think that his s. Johnson his power and all of that is being imbued in brand right now. So when he's saying like leave me, I think what he means is like the physical media corP me, I'm gone, but I remain through you. You are now the three eyed raven we are one. Okay. And so we see in the flashback where whores is go white, and he is being affected in the past by what is happening to him in the present. Yeah. Then it's so upsetting very upsetting. There's a great a great scene. It really is. It was very chilling at the time it still very chilling the young actor who's playing poor Willis is really it's it's so like it's just so unsettling to watch them drop a sack of bricks and just like the way that he's twitching like he's seizing. It's horrifying to watch. This sort of like this Stephen King level. Horror moment, that's happening here on game of thrones executed, very very well for the Knox along the way here then the knock knock jokes as well. Along the way in this recap where there's this the door as an episode of remembered very finally because of this scene. There's there's a lot of filler that gets you to this moment. But this moment really is such a showstopper and it holds up much like the door at holds up perfectly. Well, upon on repeated viewings now mere read and brand are going to run for it. I really don't feel like they get that far away for the the night. King army seems to be able to cover a lot of ground. Yeah. I think he's buying them. Enough time for when when Benjamin is gonna show up though, writing like, I mean, I think that it's just enough for them to get far enough that Benjamin when he shows up with his cold hands is going to be able to to save the day. So without this sacrifice. Just been dead instantly been stead instantly. Okay. So Josh anything else to say in terms of the real time of this before we talk about the implications of this. No, I think it was it was it was a very sad moment in the fandom. This is one of the episodes leaked online before the before it was released initially. I think it was like one of the international HBO's accidentally like posted this on demand early. There's been a couple of snafus like that along the way here in the final push of game of thrones. I believe this episode was one of them. So there there were like I remember that day like people online mimic. Oh crap. Tonight's game roads crazy. So that day at the show came out the game of thrones Twitter. Spear was a minefield is much like what's happening in the show itself. You had detonators. Yes. To dodge whites everywhere, you were going. Okay. All right. Josh. So this happened to the show set this up. What does this mean for our finale are? Final season. You gotta manage the idea that there could be some some, you know, utility to the time travel ability that there is either a whatever happened happened quality to the way that time travel works game. And thrown seems to be the case that Hoed or was always going to turn into hold or in this moment always had to happen. So whatever destiny everybody is barreling toward is just sort of like this faded thing. This is predestined. Right. Exactly. Or, you know, you know, even like the Mon of at the tower of joy Ned stark. Did he always here brand calling out for him? I just feel like. This is just a twist to kind of like give an explanation for why Hoed or is called Hoter. It's a little dinner for me. I think the implications of the fact that brand has the ability to impact things in such a way is is really the big deal. And I think that that's why some people are excited about the prospect that maybe brand could somehow become brand the builder or have some role in bringing the wall up for the first time thousands and thousands of years ago. But in terms of like, how this would come into play to undo the Nike ING, I'm not sure. And then I think that the other answer is you can imagine it like all of these brand, visions, the his ability to go back and look through the pages of the past has already paid off in his knowledge of John snow being the son of radar targe area in Liana stark that it's not impossible that that is gone. To be the extent of this. This angle of brands powers where do you think this is all going to go? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I kind of feel like that. This is set up to be this, you know, a major game changer for the final season. I think we have the origins of Jon snow's birth, but I don't know necessarily how we tie this into this climactic battle, and we've talked about could brand war into a dragon. Certainly that's on the table. But I mean, that's a power that you know, he's had for quite some time. So I don't know if there's another moment that's on the table that we're going to see like, oh my God. I can't believe that that was brand the whole time. Yeah. I it doesn't strike me. Obviously. Anyway, there isn't one thing. That's just like shoots to the top of my mind. Like, oh, that's brand brands fingerprints over that. Like, I can't I can't see that one. And I think that the radar thing. Probably hold ready. Well, there's some moment. Maybe where like bran can go back in time and have a conversation with his father. Okay. So maybe there's something like this where there could be this. This tender moment that brings Ned stark back into the story to some degree where brand uses his abilities to go back in time. He he doesn't resist the temptation this time. He has a full. I'm conversation with his dad his dad, not knowing who brand is maybe certainly he's unrecognizable at this point now that he's seven feet tall. And maybe he's able to glean some sort of paternal advice that doubles as like one of those. I opening your Rica's. Oh my God. This is how we kill the night king type of moment. Like, maybe something that's like sort of emotional resonant like that. But the scenario feels a little high falutin as as it sketched out right there that I just don't know. I don't have a great theory for. For it. And I do think that from the writing perspective, maybe they feel like it's already satisfied with brand. And Sam as the combo platter of dishing up the information that John is severely ATar, Gary, and that might be fulfilling the time travel quality of everything I mean, could it be the brand was the person that wrote the lady crane song? Whole story. It's not impossible. I guess that. Maybe the great playwright brand stark. Yes is cold hands? Next week old hands is next week. Yes, we are moving next week into blood of my blood is rabbit below the hats right episode six of season six of game at thrones. And we are going to spend a heap in amount of time at horn hill horn hail. Yeah, I'm going to get her horn hill on that's going to be cool. You get a cold hands on that's going to be great the stituation with high. Sparrow is going to take a turn escalates escalate. Not with an Escalade, we're going to go to the twins gonna see some some Walder fray going on. And the dragon is gonna show back up. Okay. We are careening towards the end of season six of a breakneck pace. Now we are halfway through season. Six game of thrones. Can you believe it? I can. Again. I can believe it. Okay. All right. So Josh we talked about so many things a surprising amount that we disagreed on them. I mean, I don't wanna go back there. I don't wanna go back. I just don't understand the complaint. Just hopefully, get it. I don't I really don't. I'm so confused by it. We don't need to revisit. We'll it's now it's now out to the world so confused, and then we and then we went right into talking about Star Wars the Phantom Menace to really make sure that we lost the audience. We only agreed then start in short order botched the line. It's not the communications we're short. It's the negotiations. Negotiations were short. There's the line where we've all stole communications. That's what I that's what I was thinking of the two merged together. Like hold the door moment fan perfect. The right right episode for that the hand culpa mea culpa. Okay. Also watching the bin rewatching lost. Rob. Again, this episode directed by Jack bender of lost name and the time travel stuff brings loss to mind. The whatever happened happened at all. And as I was watching the lost season one. Finale. There's a great moment where Hugo Hurley Ray is trying to catch Oshii flight eight fifteen almost late gets right up to the gate as they are shutting the door. And he shouts hold the door. Yeah. That's great. Okay. This goods that good. Good for Hurley. Yeah. All right. It's all I got glare. He is on Twitter. He is at round Howard. He says twenty nineteen best year ever. You can don't add at me. Okay. All right. And I am at Rochester. Nino. We're at pineapple boy twenty seven if you really hated some might takes here today on the content of your jets. We will be back next week. Josh anything else coming up. You wanna talk about? We have a podcast about the haunting of hill. House not Cornhill that is that should be up pusher. Recaps by the time, you're listening to this or will be up very soon. So that's Antonio, Missouri. Talking about that show as we are doing our slow March through many of the shows that we have missed over the past year or so we're going to keep doing a couple of those special podcasts in the in the coming weeks. No real structured timetable for that. We're just gonna keep going because there's lots of shows, and we're we're behind on stuff, and we live in a TV age where it's okay to be behind. You just got to catch up eventually. And so here, we are and be look out for some black mirror, Tom. That's right. Mike bloom and Jessica lease about the mentioned banner, snatched Bander snatch. Yeah. I watch it. I watch it. Did you watch it where did you play? A question question. So be on the lookout for that as well. Coming opposed to recap take a good one. Bye.

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We're reading our seven year old the books were making our way through the movies, and my son applies just an amazing level of focus and determination to all these Harry Potter LEGO kits. Oh, now, you gotta tell me about those because I love Legos, and I am hoping some day in my life to be able to play with Legos again. Oh, well, yeah. Though. The LEGO kits are pretty great. They're not a sponsor. But I'm just saying the there are a lot of fun. The of the Hogwarts especially is quite quite a kit. Maybe he also has a stuffed owl, which he has of course, named Hedwig after Harry Potter's Al and at the same time when he goes to bed, my wife, and I are currently enjoying the final season of game of thrones. As m I and my wife. Yeah. Yeah. Those guys so your current. Oh, yeah. We're. Cooked. Yeah. There won't be any spoilers in this episode. But but I'm glad that we're on the same wavelength. And and one day, I think I I'm I'm looking forward to actually finishing reading the books as well. Once they are all written. Oh, yes. So are you actually caught up to where the books are in the song of ice and fire series? I am I'm caught up and eagerly awaiting the subsequent volume metoo. I've read them all. And now it's been so long. I'm going to have to go back and read him again before the next one I'm going to have to the Wikipedia entries. So in the wizard ING world of of the JK rolling created the magical community they use ours to send messages back and forth. And it said it's beautiful, and it's a settler magical part of the book right playing on their traditional ideas of witches and wizards having familiar 's as well as the very properties of als that make them seem mystical right there. Silence. They're not ternal habits their wise appearance. But in reality is we'll discuss no one actually uses an Al too. Send messages in the real world. But the more general idea of using birds to send messages is not so magical and not so far fetched. I guess that's what we're going to be talking about today. Yeah. And likewise, George Martin's a song of ice and fire books and the HBO TV TV at game phones. Now, folks, if we call the books game of thrones today, don't get on our case rise just the same. It's just what we've been programmed to do at this point. But in both properties ravens are the bird of choice for members of the citadel to relate messages to and from various castle cities and important locations there the Email of west coast. Yeah. And it's described in the books of these clever messengers usually only function like real world messenger pigeons. Right. They that that summer smarter and capable of traveling to multiple locations. But for the most part, you're sending a message from one place to another right? Yeah. That's right. Actually to without any spoilers to extremely comic effect sometimes in the TV show, especially. We're like seems like somebody will write a message put it on a raven send it off and they get results within like a day when it was supposed to travel a thousand miles. I'm not quite sure exactly how that happens. I think have to move a lot lot faster on the TV series. Right. I think this is led to a lot of memes. We're like ravens have jet packs on. Well. And then they also have I believe there's an additional separate species of white raven that the geez by the citadel for particularly important messages. I don't recall that. But there's a lot of detail in the books that didn't even stick. I've had a lot of a lot of time with game of thrones. To to forget, many different details myself, but you know, I think all this works nicely in the books and the TV series because it puts a an alternative universe. Kind of spin on everything right? Like in your world, it's a pigeon. But in in in west rose, it is it is a raven. And then, you know, it's kind of like some of the other spins that, they do like like having this predominantly polytheistic version of medieval, western culture, this alternate of you know, vision of how bloodlines genetics work though. I do think they're interesting not to turn this into just a game of thrones episode. There's some interesting parallels between the religions in the game of thrones world, and and the religions of western Europe. Like, so you rigidly have these pagan polytheistic religions, but I know Georgia Martin has commented that the faith of the seven in the books in the. V show is really an analogy for the Catholic church because it has, you know, even I it is considers itself monotheistic religion. It has a trinity. It has many saints and other figures and in he just said, well, I just went ahead and made them all gods. Yeah. He he he he did a great job of of taking things that were familiar in tweaking just a little bit where they still felt familiar like you didn't have to take a running start at understanding the religious world of game of thrones. But it was a little bit different. Just just just a little bit skewed in a way that made it, you know, resonate a little more. Yeah. And and likewise, the ravens fit perfectly in this. You know, this grim dark setting because the rave, and of course, is a bird that's associated with with darkness and carnage. And so it makes sense that the characters would be using this bird to send their messages as opposed to the peaceful dove or pigeon pecking bits of flesh from dead bodies. On the battlefield raven is often imagined. But the way the ravens are used in the book as we've already alluded to is actually very analogous to real life uses of messenger pigeons. That's right. A message pigeons carrier pigeons. This is an actual method of that that we use have used for thousands of years to deliver messages across long distances. And it's as nights not really it's not like a magically trained pet. It's more of an animal that will dependency dependency return home after you transport it somewhere else. And then let it free does a much less. Impressive trick though. Still impressive. Yes. I mean, I would be pretty amazing. If you could just like send one to another city on command. And then it would come back. Right. It's like imagine doing it with say a guerilla from the local zoo. Like, I want to send a message to the zoo where this guerilla lives. Okay. Well, I'm going to take one of its guerrillas with me when I visit another city that will give the grill of the message, let the gorilla loose in the gorilla will. Corfe return home, thus delivering the message. So I guess that's where you get the idea. You may have heard the phrase a homing pigeon, right? Yes. It is returning home. So here we are. We're talking about pigeons. We're talking about als. And we're talking about ravens. We we. We know that homing pigeons. This has been a subject that numerous podcasts of covered. I know Josh and Chuck covered homing pigeons. Awhile back on their show. That doesn't surprise me. Yeah. And and so we wanted to to to discuss them. But we figured this might spice it up a bit to also discuss them in relation to the owls and the ravens of the world of Harry Potter and the world of west roasts and in doing so we'll be able to highlight of why the pigeon has worked. So well for these purposes, and why we use the pigeon and likewise why we don't actually use ravens in AL's. What is it about ravens? And owls that that would make them ideal for the sort of work. And then also what prevents us from using them for this. Sort of work to begin with. Why say let's go pigeon. I, yeah, let's let's let's hit reality. And then we'll dip our toes into the fantasy a bit. So first of all, let's consider some of the, you know, the the epic facts from the history of homing pigeons that I think should ground their use in a real world that feels as epic is anything from west rose. So so first of all it seems that pigeons were originally domesticated for food in the Middle East and in Europe much in the same way that the jungle fowl that we now call it chicken was originally domesticated in India and East Asia, so they were domesticated for their meat for their eggs, which the pigeon has tiny eggs, but you can't eat them. The pigeon is maybe not as robust as a modern, you know, hormonally enhanced chicken, but it still is edible. I mean, again, if you've read the song of ice and fire books, one of the common menu items at feasts and stuff is roast squabble or stuffed squad. Job. Of course squad would be like a young pigeon. Yeah. And you can still find squad on on menus in various places now when we're talking about homing pigeons homing pigeon is technically Columba Livia domestic that's the domestic version of the rock pigeon, which is just Columba Livia. Now, one interesting fact about the common pigeon, the rock pigeon also known as the rock dove in their natural habitats their cliff dwellers, they tend to live and nest on cliff faces and rock ledges, which probably at least partially explains why they thrive so well in modern urban landscapes full of buildings that function as artificial cliff faces. That's true. And I think we talked about this some with with the our guest. Jason Moore came on the show wants to talk about urban evolution especially of birds. Absolutely a highly successful species but back before their success was so guaranteed. Yeah. They were this this wonderful edible bird, the good stuff in cages pretty. Easily. And as you might imagine people were kept their birds and they in doing so prohibited from flying away, and as they travelled around with these birds, and then I'm assuming they probably discovered the curious and dependable way that these birds could then return to their home nest across increasingly long distance and as such we have been using birth. These pigeons for thousands of years to deliver messages, it is you know, it is a is a pretty ancient practice. Yeah. But it appears to emerge out of this regional decimal domestication for food. I eat them. And then you put them to work, right? Which which you know, it sounds rather this ultimate we're talking about very mundane use of the bird, right? We're going to use it for eating and we're going to use it for delivering messages, but it's also worth noting that pigeons have a sacred significance in many cultures though, we often refer to them in doves in that in in these instances, at least in the English language. Right. The pigeon and dove this. Same thing. Yeah. I mean, we're talking about the about birds from the family Columbus Day, which is doves and pigeons. But you know, we can think to the roles of say doves and Christian symbolism and even as kind of a secular symbol of peace. Right. Releasing doves? You know to is an to a symbolic act, right? Likewise. We can go all the way back to ancient Sumerian Mesopotamia where we see the use of the dove is an associated an animal of the goddess in Ana we love in on the show. But that's interesting because a non has multiple valances Minana can be of course, like fierce goddess of war who screams death through the rebel lands or she can be, you know, like, a peaceful goddess of fragility, she has a both meanings in different contexts, and I wonder which which way the dove comes in there is that like the way we associate devas with peace, or is it the way that doves can be used to send messages and gathering telling during war. Yeah. I mean as just as a means of conveying information it can serve both ends, right? But it doesn't really seem like this. You know, this prior relationship of domestication with the pitch and his alternately. What sets it up for uses the carrier bird earlier people, domesticated them Lou. With them and picked up on their abilities. And really the only other Burr, they think think to the other birds that have a legacy of domestication, and and each one we can try to imagine to what extent they could have actually been used to carry messages. I mean, you have the the chicken it's not gonna work. The duck the goose, essentially. It though, that's the carrier chicken. Yeah. The message or chicken that would be like a good cartoon. Well, okay. So the chickens out the duck and the goose I couldn't find any real discussions of this. But I mean, they they are migratory birds. So it's it's it sounds possible. But are they are they ever domesticated? I don't know. I guess they are sometimes I've seen them listed as as birds that we have domesticated in some cases, likewise, the goose the Guinea fowl, the Turkey, Canaries and finches. But but of these the domestication of the chicken, the duck goose and the Turkey, those go back thousands of years, but Canaries only go back to the fifteenth century and the Finch to the eighteenth century. But you know, to to put ourselves back in ancient shoes on this, right? As one presumably picks up on the ability of the of the of the pigeon to carry messages just think of the advantage in a world, where message delivery is only as fast as a human or a horse and rider can can travel across a either open to rain or more likely a series of winding paths or roads. Yeah. I mean, we take for granted. Now that we have wired or wireless communication that can send information electrically or whatever I mean back then of message had to be physically taken one way or another either you tell it to a person, and they go deliver it in person or it had to be carried by hand. Yeah. Yet I'd have a runner carrying or carrying it to the next runner. And then yeah. Yeah. If you're going from point a to point b you're probably not able to go in a straight line, but the bird can the bird can fly in a literally as the. As the crow flies. Yeah. The bird also has the advantage of this is seen sometimes in the song of ice and fire series. Where say if your castle is under siege. And no person. No human messenger would likely get by without being captured a bird probably could get by. Yeah. Can leave a besieged city in go rela- message? You know, they might try and shoot it out of the sky with a with an arrow, but this why you have multiple pigeons. I imagine or multiple owls or ravens in your fantasy says of treatments. A birds can also carry messages quickly over water. That's right. Humans can't or I guess maybe could by boat. But yeah, it's it's easy to just to sort of focus on the sort of the primitive nature of tying a message to an animal with in in. Just forget the tremendous freedom of movement that a bird like a pigeon has and then in terms of speed with pigeon. We're talking speeds of fifty to sixty miles per hour and up to records. Speeds. And I think this is you know, when you're really pushing when you're racing them. You can get into the low nineties horses on the other hand, you're only going to reach the mid fifties. And that's going at full gallop. Yeah. And that's like a world record for horse like a common gal, that's really going. And and again, the chances of you being able to send a message by horse at top speed at record speed in a straight line, Mike on this magical highway. You've built between fortress say and fortress. Be. It's just not it doesn't stack up against the power. The the message littering power of the pigeon. So give everybody a, you know, some more ideas about just the history the legacy of of carrier pigeon use I was looking at the hallowed history of the carrier pigeon by Mary bloom, zip from the New York Times two thousand four and. Some of the the high points of the author mentioned here, and I believe this was an covering museum exhibit about the carrier pigeon. But we have like an addition to mythical stories of an Ana in her association with the with the pigeon or dove also biblical accounts such as Noah releasing doves or pigeons. Yeah, it was to test whether the flood waters of the great flood had abated things in Genesis chapter eight where Noah releases multiple doves or either the same dub multiple times or multiple doves to go out and see if it can land somewhere at first it goes out, and it can't find anywhere to land. And it comes back to him. The second time it goes out, and it brings back a branch. And that means the waters must have receded from somewhere in the third time. It goes out it just stays gone never returns. So if you love a dove said it free. So the ancient Romans used pigeons for chariot races to tell owners how their entries had placed Genghis Khan established pigeon, relay points across Asia and much of eastern Europe Charlemagne made pigeon, raising the exclusive privilege of nobility pigeons were used for military communication well into World War One when the Germans rolled out cure carrier pigeons with cameras that were soon replaced by reconnaissance planes by the end of the under the war. France had mobilized thirty thousand pigeons, and they declared that anyone impeding their flight could be sentenced to death. There's actually a famous story from World War One. I believe about a group of allied soldiers who had come under friendly fire from artillery and only managed to communicate to their allies. The, you know, the like stop shelling us by accident by the use of a carrier pitch out saved many lives. Pigeons have been used transfer blood samples from remote regions regions of Britain and France in eastern India. They were. Used for communication between remote police outpost. And as of at least last year, at least one of these lines was still in use the US is used a pigeon spot. Shipwrecks a drug drug traffickers have used figians seemingly around the world. I was looking up various stories about this. And you know, I was finding hits from north south and Central America as well as in the Middle East, obviously, you're not going to send to like an entire brick of hash. Sheesh up into the pigeon. But if you want to send a small amount of something like across the border police Daria. Yeah. Thank you, take a opinion from its home attached the drugs to it. And then let it fly home. Yeah. And eggs actly what some people have done. This is a fun account that my wife shared with me. She was remembering a West Virginia whitewater rafting place from sort of like the pre digital photo age, and and they used pitching. So what they did is, you know, you're going on this. Whitewater rafting ride, right? And nowadays, we just take this for granted. Right. You ride some sort of a ride like a roller coaster, and at the end, they so you'll picture of yourself enjoying the ride, of course. Now, we do digital photography. But this particular whitewater, rapid place the way, they did it is they had a photographer with a long lens up on a hillside where they could get a good shot of the river. They would snap your picture as you were going down the river. And then they would take the film. They would attach it to the homing pigeon. Why since the pigeon like to the end of the river up is they would develop the film, and then they would sell you the picture because this is of course, of that's when you want to sell the picture, right? You're just getting off the the rafting ride your excited. Like, ooh. That was awesome. I didn't die. It was great. And then there's the picture ready to go like magic and you pay for it. Now that probably wasn't even possible until like celluloid or acetate film. Right. Try to attach daguerreotype plate to your pigeon. That's work to understand that joke. Make sure you listen. To our series of episodes on our other podcast invention about the invention of photography. Those have been a lot of fun. They're not listening to invention yet. What are you doing go? Listen. Yeah. Yeah. And you can check out the website at invention pod dot com. Okay. I got one for you ever wonder about the origin of the term pigeonhole. Oh, I never thought about it. But now I am. Yeah. Pigeonhole as a for right? Like, I don't wanna be pigeonholed as just another whatever. And I don't know exactly how I guess it means like is sort of like the the idea of being typecast. Right. I don't want to be pinned down in this kind of narrowly defined space. Well, apparently, this expression has a very literal origin in the domestic pigeon. Raising trade it comes from wind pigeons used to be given like individual holes or recesses to nest in and then after that it later came to have another definition of quote, one of a series of small open compartments as in a desk cabinet or the like used for filing, or sorting papers. And so that's like a standard definition, which I think morphed further into the more abstract metaphor of having your person pigeonholed into a narrow slot. Interesting. I'd I'd never thought about it before. But that makes perfect sense. And that metaphorical definition came about I think in the eighteen sixties in the mid late nineteenth century. All right. So why and how pigeons carry out these impressive feats of speedy delivery? Yeah. Why them why not some other bird? Yeah. Why not all not ravens? Why not rats one hundred the you the the neighborhood? House cat, and I think you might be able to answer this question two different ways that we could that we can get into more the goes on. But one explanation might be rooted in the sort of innate tendencies or abilities of each of these animals and another answer might be more rooted in just accidents of history. Yeah. Yeah. I think so like already touched on the fact that the pigeon was domesticated seemingly originally for food. And so that kind of like provided the the groundwork for further domestic uses of the animal. Yes. But it is certainly true. That pigeons have some very impressive qualities when it comes to navigation and long distance travel right there navigational abilities are essentially twofold. So first of all they have a compass system, and this tells them which direction they're headed in and the sun the position of the sun and the earth magnetic field make this possible. But then they also have a map system which tells them where they are in relation to where they want to go. Oh now, and it's this ability. That is a lot more controversial that we have sort of competing hypotheses competing theories about how they're actually working. So it's not totally settled exactly all of the methods that pigeons have to navigate the way they do when find their way back. They're still they're still research ongoing as to what's going on. And complicating all of this is the release site bias. This is when birds go off in the wrong direction at release leading investigators to ask what what's happening in these cases to disrupt their return. What can we learn about the functionality by looking at the disruption events? And so the basic theories for how the mapping system works. Are as follows first there's the smell theory, so odors carried on the wind allow the pigeons to map their way, home and studies have shown that the atmosphere does contain the necessary factory information and pigeons have been observed to get disoriented when their sense of smell. Well is impaired or when they don't have access to natural winds at their home nest? And then there's the earth's magnetic field lines. So like there is a theory that there's some kind of inherent magneto reception in the birds right as cordola V Mora and Michael Walker pointed out in two thousand nine study in the proceedings of the Royal Society b biological sciences quote pigeons may derive spatial information from the magnetic field at the release site that could be used to estimate their current position relative to their loft. Okay. So this sounds like it might especially help with like initial orientation toward their target destination. Absolutely. And again working with that compasses them. So these two things working together. Another is also a third theory that Iran across and this one's not as big as the other two of budget. Just give everyone a, you know, an idea of some of the alternative ideas that are being explored here, geophysicist, John Hagstrom has this theory that they follow. Ultra low frequency sounds back towards their loss. And this is why certain areas can confuse them and throw them off. He argues that topographic disruptions and ultra sound account for why some pigeons of thrown off track in known destruction disruption zones such as in parts of upstate New York. That was the the region that the that Astrum was actually looking at and conducting some experiments in in homing pigeons. They can't hear sounds as low as point zero five hurts, so so they do have, you know, they do have impressive hearing that that's base. Yeah. However, it's also been pointed out a particularly I was looking at a National Geographic article new theory on how homing pigeons find home by. Jane, Jay, le- pointed out that the the given pigeon might use the either the smell or the magnetic field mapping system. It might just depend on where they're raise leaning on magnetic fields in some cases, smell in the others. Other areas or perhaps leaning on Oltra sound of that is in fact, one of the methods at their disposal. Well, and that would sort of make sense, given what we know about our senses that we use for navigation. I mean, it would depend on where you were that you were trying to find your way to right, right? Like some places. It might be good to listen for traffic or something. Yeah. You don't know if you're trying to get back to a traffic area in an otherwise, wilderness like area, or my main more sense to just look with your eyes and see what kind of place you're going to. Yeah. I mean, I in all these cases, I keep trying to like put myself in the shoes pigeon in imagine somebody like sticking me in a cage transporting may say, you know, to counties over releasing me in the wild. And giving me a message to return to my how with to my house, and I would probably just die in the woods. And so it's a, you know, it's we look at something like the pigeon an animal that is not held in high esteem. Team of by most people, you know, we think of pigeons we think of essentially winged rats in the city, and we we we may not stop to realize what kind of amazing navigational abilities they have. But they do they pigeons can do can do the these feats that that humans would be completely lost to try and replicate. Do you think the pigeons internal navigational computer is as annoying as the navigation app on most phones, or like, you know, GPS devices. I I would think not because it's a part of them. Right. I mean, the the annoying thing about GPS technologies that it is external, and it's it's something we have to divert attention to or and or you know, we drop our phone out of that little cradle or horsing around with it while going down the interstate. I don't know what brand it was. But there was one I used to interact with fairly it wasn't mine. It was somebody else's. But but it. We it was incredibly passive aggressive. So like anytime you missed a turn. You would almost hear it like get kinda huffy who would go recalculating. Yeah. Yeah. There are all sorts of weird quirks like they've gotten a lot better. But still they don't still still don't feel like a natural instinct by any stretch. Now, obviously, we could spend more time here talking about the navigational abilities of pigeons, and and certainly the way that pigeons and other animals seemingly interact with the magnetic field. A, but we want to take a quick break here when we come back. 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Because I think ultimately an important part of this is the of course, the legacy of using the pigeons. Yeah. But the the question the the beer question is what what if there had been no pigeons? What it for some reason early on people had gone the direction of the wizard and community in the Harry Potter novels and had said, let's use AL's. Let's let's not focus on any other animals. Let's focus on this species or the species of I'll can we use this animal to deliver our messages, right? Whether rain or. No or dead of night. Will this all deliver your message? Right. And I have to say when we we set up to do this episode. My initial suspected answer was going to be no they can't. And I suspected that. The reason was going to be that Houser dumb was like really dumb because and this this is like this is pre research. But I've I've found that most people bird shows that I go to bird shows or like wildlife rescue places places where they have saying Alvin can't be released into the wild because it has a damaged wing, and so it's used for educational purposes in multiple times, the, you know, the individual caring for the creatures has pointed out that well, this L is really dumb. It's not a smart creature. And so we have their their limits on what we can expect from from it. That's strange I tend to find the people who work directly with animals are tend to they tend to err on the side of overstating the animals intelligence. Well, and I don't mean to speak forever. Like wildlife refuge rescue individual out there bird show worker at cetera. But you know, it stood out to me. And I'd probably stood out to me because there is this idea of the wise owl, you know. It's firmly established not only in pop culture, but in our mythic traditions. The owl was the bird of a theme. The Greek goddess of wisdom, they were thought to see the future. Of course, they're not Colonel nature, and they're silent flight made them creatures of occult fascination, the Roman saw them as portents of doom they fulfill a number of roles among the native peoples of north and South America, ranging from dire omens to actual spirits of the dead, and in some some traditions, the owls, an evil creature in another times, it, you know, it's associated with the goddess as in Phoenix case or in Welsh mythology. The goddess blow to wed is associated with the owl. It is not hard at all to imagine. How else could come to occupy a place of like, terrifying, spiritual power because you've ever been out in the woods at night and heard an owl? Yeah. It's I mean, it's a cliche now because in the movies and all that. But in person. It is freaky. Yes. Yeah. And then they have enormous. Is you can't help it? Lock eyes with the owls, and it's it's intimidating to to look them. They're just in there. Just fascinating impressive specimens, and in terms of pop culture who can forget the great Al from the secret of nimh. It's so good. Yeah. The kind of Wilford Brindley faced owl it had some heavy brows and moustache from what I recall, but also glowing eyes. Yeah. In either a lot of types of there's something like two hundred species, roughly, they're amazing creatures in there somewhere in the neighborhood of two hundred different species all the Al by the way, possibly the largest Al ever to walk the earth. The Cuban giant Al which stood about three foot seven or one point one meters tall and was either flightless or nearly flightless a giant flightless all so what was it like a like a raptor like run around along the ground and snatch up its prey, so yeah, we could possibly have achieved very limited flight much in the same way chicken may fly. Wow. But but als are specialized killers, they're mostly solitary creatures. It's not a lot of social complexity to their brain load. You know, it's it's it's more about the spotting and and perceiving pray and then stealthily swooping down on them. And and and smashing them up. But, but I was I was looking into this more, and I found a book titled the science of Harry Potter. Okay. Two thousand two by Roger Highfield. And it's a it's a pretty cool book, obviously, it's been out for a few years. But so this would have only been like the earliest Harry Potter books. Not that the use of als really changes much in the series. That's pretty stationary. Our just how you send messages, but the major reason he says that als- wouldn't be ideal for this sort of work is that most of them are rather sedentary. So they don't migrate in migratory skills would be ideal for the sort of messaging work. It's it's kind of like if you've heard I know you, and I have heard this presented in ten Calica self defense. Of scenario by saying that if someone is looking to say, rob you on the street, they have a remember the term use was they have a small office. They have small work area, and you want to get out of that work area. Just you know, it's like a pickpocket or robbers working like within like one St. worth of area. Yeah. And that's the similar case with a lot of predatory organisms. They ultimately have a small zone in which they operate operate. Very well in that zone, but you get out of the zone in you might be in the clear now that might be a good point about the owls, not being migratory and being fairly sedentary. But then again, I believe pigeons or non migratory, or at least most in most cases, non migratory. And yet they have this powerful homing and messaging ability, and then also in Highfield does acknowledge that we do have some that are migratory. So you have I think two out of the five native UK, Al species are migratory nature and in theory could. Handle the ranges involved in most Potter world letters. And they have great eyesight, which would be useful as well. So we think of the ways that these. The given messenger species would find the places in each to go. Well, the Al has excellent eyesight could be it would be very useful. Now as for their brain power. He's he pointed out that there had not been a lot of systematic study of Albreicht power. But this would have been two thousand two right? But he said, but he also acknowledged that there have been some some work in, you know, looking at the memory of barn owls specifically by Erik Knudsen at Stanford University. And that research seem to show that they did have solid working memories. While on the other hand from Al species were considered to be required rather dim due to their the predatory niece that they depended on now. But of course, in all of this anytime, we're talking about animal intelligence, it's always a bit unfair. Right. Because ultimately, a given species is intelligent is it needs to be for what it does. Right. And I mean e- even given that caveat, I think we have learned a lot more about bird intelligence just in the past couple of decades than we knew before like, it is becoming increasingly clear, how smart corvettes are. And we'll talk about that. When we get to ravens in the next section. But we didn't always know everything we know now about bird intelligence, I think the picture is becoming clearer that the birds are much smarter than we have long thought, though, not every bird is equally more intelligent than we have long thought. Right. I mean, it ultimately is a lot is going to depend on what that that particular bird or in this case that. Out does. For instance, I was looking around at some some some other some actual studies on this. I two thousand thirteen study from the international journal of comparative psychology found that the great grey owl or strict nebula, which I that's one of my favorites there. That's that's I mean, that's sounds like a spell from Harry Potter these particular else didn't do so hot and cognitive ability tests. They said, quote our results suggest that the owls fail to comprehend. The physics underlying the object relationships involved in the task presented. But then again as pointed out in two thousand four study published in nature from Levy Dunkin and Levin's Burling als or ethnic clinical aria, which is another nice when they use Deng as a tool, or at least they use Deng as bait to attract dung beetles which were favored prey, but you could would that be like novel or cognitively discovered behavior is that more probably like an instinct. I don't know. But they they were framing it in terms of, you know, this is a potential tool use that is, you know, granted anytime you're tool is done these bait. I mean, it's not quite the same as using a, you know, a crafted twig to to pull grubs out of out of a log or something it just because it's done doesn't mean. It's not a tool. Right. Yeah. But I mean it still works for him. So I mean alternately Highfield had argued that. Well, maybe maybe the now could be used for such purposes. And I think you know, based on some of the other research, we're looking at it does seem like the the now could pull off some of the feats involved. Well, I think one of the big questions that you would need to ask about whether a bird could be trained as some kind of messenger would be how well do they respond to training, right? And to domestic debate domestication. Yeah. I mean, sadly, the popularity of the Harry Potter books and movies reportedly caused an increase in the trafficking of pet. Als which JK rolling has vocally condemned by the way, do not go out and try and buy pet. I'll just because you like Harry Potter. But one of the the the important cases, here's that that outside of the magical world, or though the realm of professional wildlife rescue efforts AL's should not be kept in cages, and they're, you know, they're not going to deliver your mail for you. But but more to the point they ha, you know, handling pigeons is one thing stuffing them in and out of cages by hand is one thing, but an owl has some pretty vicious talents. That can certainly send you to the hospital. So als are just generally not good candidates for domestication right outside of a magical fantasy series. Yeah. It doesn't sell it. The talons alone would give me pause. If you look up if you're if you're curious about this do a Google image search on like our related injuries. No, find some nice quite and slices here. And there it'll be enough to make you think. Well, yeah. Maybe we should leave. The owls alone as much as possible. All right. Let's take a break. When we come back. We will talk about ravens as messengers. Hey, it's getting dash out Beatle fans. Check out my podcast kin. Dachau's Beatles revolution talking all about the Fab Four and how this Little Rock band from Liverpool. Changed the world of music, fashion and ideology, we delve into all things. Beatles them like the remix white album with producer child's Morton talking about their influence on other artists from Lenny Kravitz, little Steven van Zandt, Rosanne cash and more. Listen and subscribe at apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts piece of love. All right. We're back. We've talked about real world homing pigeons. We've talked about the owls of Harry Potter. And to what extent the owls of the real world could or could not match up to their to to the sort of message. Delivering service that we see in the Harry Potter novels. They don't seem like great candidate. Is he doing? Yeah. It seems like you're better sticking sticking with the pigeon. Unless you have the magic to make it possible. So let's turn now to game of thrones to west roasts and the use of ravens. Why are we not using ravens? And we really wanted to could we use ravens to deliver our messages this one. I think the prospects are different, but maybe a little bit better than Al. So you mentioned in mythology earlier that you talked about the doves of the Noah story in the book of Genesis, Noah releases doves, and eventually they let him know that all the waters are gone from the earth. But don't forget there's another part of the story. This very strange doesn't. Necessarily really seem to add up to anything. But no actually sends out a raven. I it's kinda hard to tell what the raven is supposed to be doing in the story. Would it starts off by saying that it came about the end of forty days it's been forty days and forty nights of raining at the end of forty days that Noah opened the window of the ark, which he had made and he sent out a raven and it flew here. And there until the water was dried up from the earth. And then after that, it just goes straight into the story with the doves. So that's confusing. I'm not quite sure what's happening there. I do know that there is some there's some theories about the version of the story of the great flood that we have that say, it's actually at least two different original stories that have essentially been edited together in in the version that we have of the book agenda. So it could this could reflect different versions of the same story just sort of being stitched together. But I don't know that. So like one of them is the Georgia Martin. Yes, exactly. And it was never finished. So they. Had to dislike slap together with this other version of the story. Yeah. So some other author is like, oh, I don't like the raven. I'm gonna do doves. Okay. But they also didn't wanna throw anything away. So the ravens still there. But yeah. Anyway, the that's one of those interesting little textual mysteries. So, but yeah, the question would ravens be good messenger. Birds as in game of thrones. Now in the world of Georgia. Are Martin's song of ice and fire in the TV show game of thrones the people of west rose, they use ravens mainly to send long distance messages. Like, we're talking about much ver very comparable to the way. People have used messenger pigeons. There's a scene where Maistre Ayman the the Maistre like the sort of learned person and the up at the wall tells Jon snow, quote doves and pigeons can also be trained to carry messages, though, the raven is a stronger flyer larger boulder far more clever better able to defend itself against hawks. So I I think we should keep that in mind, and we'll. Oh, come back to it later to see whether Mr. Raymond's mostly or not on the money there. Okay. The first thing we should look at of course, is whether in fact ravens are far more clever, and I think the answer to this is a resounding. Yes. Yeah. And this was before we went into the research. My suspicion was they might be too clever like that in this may be unfounded a bias. But it was only maybe maybe the owls too dumb. Maybe the raven is too smart in the pigeon is just this perfect to a mix of skill and in navigational ability, but also it's not going to get bored and curious on the way, I can totally see why you would think that. But I don't think that's what I would think after the research for this episode. I think that that sort of underestimates als a bit maybe overestimates pigeons and ravens in in the unruliness of intelligence because it is the case that for many, very intelligent animals it. Doesn't necessarily manifest as like a surliness and rebelliousness. I mean, right often, very intelligent animals can respond well to training and conditioning, though, often they respond in ways that are unpredictable to you. Which is that's an interesting. We'll get to in a minute about ravens. A ravens are chords. They're a family of birds containing many other kinds such as crows Jays and Magpies both core in general and ravens in particular have especially in recent years. But for a long time been known to be extremely intelligent. And especially in recent years, we've gotten these studies that show these startling displays of intelligence in lab conditions, and there are tons of examples of this. If you want a whole episode focused on the subject, go back to the one we did a couple years ago called the unsettling depths of bird intelligence. Oh, yeah. That was a good one that we also talked a little mythology in that win. I remember hugging and Moonen Elliott, the Norse mythology represents aspects of what Odin 's memory has. Thoughts in his memory? Yes. Yes. Yeah. And we also talked about it with Jason ward. When he came on the show. Yes. To talk about the birds of the city. But yeah, there are just so many interesting stories about what cords and ravens in particular can do just one recent example, I was reading about about the intelligence of ravens in particular came from a couple of researchers at Sweden's Lunde university named Ken Kaba die and Matthias owes fath- who did a study where they showed really intelligent interesting forethought, or at least what seems like evidence of it in ravens. So it's already been demonstrated many times that core Vida's like crows and ravens can use tools, and that's one of the hallmarks of complex intelligence once thought to belong to primates alone. You know, if you go back and look at old textbooks. It's like only humans and the great apes can use tools but nowadays cords, and so then certain occupy take issue with that. Oh, yes. Certainly and one of the interesting things about this to me is that tool using sue. Suggests that if you go way back in time rewind the clock and just let Evelyn run out in a different way. If other types of animals with the seeds of tool using intelligence could have independently developed their own technological civilization the way primates like us did. Yeah. What sort of world? Would it be? If it was a world of core, vid technology raven world. But so yeah, we know now that corbin's like ravens use tools, and this more recent study showed that once ravens had learned that they could use a particular tool to open a box and get a piece of dog Kibble, which they absolutely love. They would choose if they could to grab that particular box opening tool and keep it on hand win the food box was not even present. So that they could use it to open the box later whenever it was presented to them. Maybe you know, minutes or hours later. So that's already interesting like the bird is. Recognizing. Okay. I can use this tool to get food. I'm going to hang onto the tool, even though I can't use it right now gather thinking ahead also the same researchers demonstrated evidence that ravens on average have a pretty strong ability to delay gratification to get better reward. Like those as demonstrated in humans with the marshmallow test. Yeah. Yeah. So of course, the classic marshmallow test. Why am I getting a tickle that that somehow people have questioned the setting of that test? Now, they certainly been a legacy of reproducing the test and altering the different different versions of the test won't make me. I don't remember what that is off the top of my head. Maybe we can revisit that in the future. That'd be a fun in basic ideas. Like, you know, if you cannot eat this marshmallow for five minutes, you'll get three marshmallows or something. And they do a version of that kind of thing with different animals test their bills by and large animals are terrible at this just hopeless. They live in the moment. They have impulses immediately. If a piece of food is in front of them, they're going to eat it. But in this this current group what the study found is that when you give the ravens a choice between. Okay. You can grab an okay piece of food right now or you can grab a tool or a bartering token that the ravens have learned can be used to access a better more delicious piece of food later. One of these experiments showed that ravens will pick the delayed path to better food more than seventy percent of the time to be exact seventy three point eight percent of the time. They'd get the tool or the bartering token than they knew would lead to the better delicious piece of Kibble. Oh, well, and in these experiments, the intelligence of the ravens in question was even sometimes an impediment to controlling the experiment because for example, I was reading a motherboard article about their research where they talked about how there was one raven started building his own tools to defeat the box is so instead of using the tool. They were supplying to the raven. It was like I can I can get around this. And so it was like putting together sticks in arrangement. There were could trigger an open the box without the tool they supplied it in also that one raven apparently started trying to teach the other ravens how to exploit the box. Wow. And neurological speaking it's been shown, for example, in a two thousand sixteen paper in peony s by Ochowicz at all that birds like cords, and some parents have an enormous number of neurons packed into the four brain areas. Quote, large parrots and corvettes have the same or greater four brain neuron counts as monkeys with much larger brains avian brains, thus have the potential to provide much higher cognitive power per unit mass than do mammalian brains. So, you know, mammals primates like us, we've got bigger brains than birds do, but it seems like birds are really packing in the neuron connections in there to make make more with less matter. But there also really startling examples of social intelligence incorporates like ravens like their stories of how bird trainers who have close relationships with ravens can train. These ravens to follow and fly ahead of them. Others even videos watching before we came in here of a BBC earth segment where they had a raven trainer who had a relationship a previous existing relationship with this raven that he'd trained for a long time. And this guy's riding along on the side of a fast moving truck with the raven just like flying along chasing after him trying to land on his arm. So I mean that kind of activity you like the raven chasing after it makes me think. Okay. I see potential possibility for like, a a delivery system involving ravens doesn't seem entirely out of the question. You know, just remembering when we did this earlier episode on bird intelligence, one of the things we did was I interviewed one of the researchers who'd worked on a paper that we talked about it in that sewed on on bird intelligence. Yes. The researcher owner Guenter kin. Oh, yes. And you know, I I was asking him about the differences in cognitive ability between different bird species. And basically the question of like have we underestimated all birds or is it like just basically core Vitz and parrots that are smarter than we thought. And he was pretty generous in his estimate of all birds though, of course, cords in parrots. He said, you know, essentially, there's no major cognitive difference between what they can do and what primates can do. So, you know, he's putting them like way up there on the cognitive ladder like they're much smarter than we realized for a long time. But even birds pigeons and chickens, he put more on the level of like, mice and rats, which you know, I think the average person probably assume the mice are a lot smarter than pigeons that that's not necessarily true. Yeah. And in the idea that chicken is up there as well. I mean, check made Verna Herzog. Yeah. That's right. Who believe what he was her? Zogg had said that is something about there being just this like the overwhelming immensity of stupidity is leaving at you guys of a chicken. I think what he's seeing. There is not stupidity. He seeing like profound ancient magic that chicken is a dinosaur as I mean birds are again dinosaurs are the avian dinosaurs. The dinosaurs that are left, and he is seeing lineage going back tens of millions of years all the way to the junkie. Sorry, some deep cuts on Verna her Zog interviews here. But can't go too deep. But anyway, I think it is fair to say that ravens are much more strikingly intelligent than pigeons. But also that pigeons are probably more intelligent than people usually give them credit for one interesting and funny game of thrones parallel came across there's a scene in the in the song of ice and fire books where you know, the three eyed crow in the book is called three crow in the books and throughout raven in the show, the guy played by max von Seeda, I'll show in the books. He he's talking to young brand stark, which another side note, I just found out the other day that brand in Welsh believe means raven or means for us. But he he speaking to the character brand stark. And he says it was the singers who taught the first men to send messages by raven. But in those days, the birds would speak the words, so the trees remember, but men forget, and so now they write the messages on parchment and tie them round the feats of the birds who have never shared their skin. So I think this is. Different because he's talking about war, gang and magical stuff is in the books. But he saying it used to be that. You'd like tell the message to the raven and the raven would go carry the message and win got there. It didn't let you didn't have to take a tag of parchment of its leg. It would just tell you the message and this actually does have some basis in reality. Because ravens much like parrots can be trained to mimic. Human sounds like talking even better than parrots in some case as well. And if you don't believe me, look it up their videos of this online talking ravens. It's creepy. No. It's not creepy. It's gorgeous. It. Well, then that's amazing. Because he I would have just assumed assumed that this is just a purely magical wrinkle in the world building here. But yeah, the idea that you could you can on some level a train raven to mimic human language. That's is incredible. I think especially if you bred them for it like the best the best the ones best at mimicking human language talking. You bred them for repeating phrases. And you train them individually in their lives. I don't know. I think it's not out of the question. But I don't know of any cases in the real world where there have been like breeding programs to try to bring out the best talking ravens, right? Or even. I mean, I don't even know to what extent that's been done with with parrots. I'm dan. Ended at all. I wonder anyway, a few other things of note. So I was reading about the university of Vienna. Biologist Matthias Klaudia Loretto speaking to the writer L A Davies for the guardian in two thousand seventeen on the question of ravens as messengers. So they're directly addressing this question from the game of thrones show and so- Loretto is a researcher who works with ravens. And he said the following. So he said they're good flyers. Maybe not well suited to quickly crossing long distances some bird species are already biologically adapted to rapid long distance migrations. Ravens are not one of them, basically everywhere except in the Arctic ravens are quote, non migratory. And move rather opportunistically that said they can sometimes fly across moderately long distances announced trying to think back to my maps of west roasts and exactly what sort of distances were talking about between say. A the wall and winter fell I think it's supposed to be pretty far. I think I remember off the top of my head west coast is supposed to be roughly the size of the continent of South America. Okay. But to mention specifics about a ravens traveling abilities that that that research, I just mentioned Loretto and a couple of other researchers published studying current zoology in two thousand sixteen that GPS tagged ravens to track their natural movements out in the wild. And they found a maximum movement range for one day of of about one hundred sixty kilometers that was the maximum. But this was not common in its way less than the daily traveling distance of say, a car, you know, and a lot of ravens mostly what they did. The researchers discovered was they hung around quote anthropogenic food sources as surprising like like the bodies of of the dead put up on pikes by victorious army that would be an anthropogenic food source. I imagine. Is more likely kind of a pizza rat scenario? Okay. But in terms of how fast they traveled it can be found travelling at speeds of up to forty kilometers per hour about twenty five miles per hour. So let's see how this matches up against the Mesa. Raymond quote. I read earlier about why ravens are better than pigeons at at delivering messages. So compared to the pigeon may stream and says a raven is a stronger flyer. Larger boulder far more clever and bettle better able to defend itself against hawks. So when he says that a raven is a stronger flyer than the pigeon. It's hard to know exactly what he means. There would depend on what stronger means, but in general, I don't think that's true. If it means faster that seems to be a no because the ravens normal top range of traveling speed looks like it's about forty kilometers an hour. And as we saw earlier, you mentioned, the pigeon flies more than double that speed generally flies a lot farther. Now if he means by. Stronger. He means like more acrobats that could be true ravens do have some kind of. They got some good moves like, and you can if you watch raven flight and slow motion. It can be very cool because they'll do like flips and twists and flaps I down and all kind of strange stuff now in addition to the speed and distance of travel. I haven't seen any indication that ravens have the same kind of long range navigational abilities that pigeons do they have some kind of navigational abilities. But I've not seen evidence that there's has been shown to be of the same powers that of the homing pigeon. So the whole ability to find their way back home from great distance that that may be more unique to the pigeon. No, the part where he says, it's more clever. That's absolutely true undoubtedly more clever, but does that matter much in delivering messages. I don't know how clever does it have to be to just get something from one place to another. Right. I mean, if they're not actively engaging and spycraft if they're just taking a message. Delivering it without getting snatched up by hawk from one fourth to another. How what do you need? I will come back to something. You just mentioned there, though, another thing the raven is generally larger that is what what Mace Draymond says. That is certainly true. But does this matter if it's just delivering a small message written on a piece of paper? I mean, I might be able to carry a heavier load if it needed to deliver something big. I mean, if you're smuggling milk the poppy around come in handy, but yes that he after just a message what second matter. Yeah. He says it's boulder. I don't know exactly what that means. But I think that's probably true. If it means like more aggressive more likely to approach. Unfamiliar objects, execute it's training. You know, ravens are I think it fits that? They are smart and bold. And they'll do what they need to do when it comes to being better at defending itself against hawks and other predators. I assume Raven's are large. They have very few natural predators. Mainly just humans and some of the larger predatory bird. Words sometimes including hawks. So. Yeah, I think that probably is right. They are better able to defend themselves. So I think based on what I've read I want to say that while pigeons are generally preferred, and it seems like they naturally, especially when they've been bred this way fly farther and faster with a message. I don't see any reason why ravens couldn't in principle be trained to become messenger. Birds, especially if they're bred for that purpose over many years like the pigeons have been. I mean, that's another thing to consider the domestication program here. Again, we have to look at the the the long standing traditions that have enabled the the carrier pigeon to to be the the species of choice for delivering small slips of paper. Right. But then again, while it may be the case that pigeons are more suited for long range delivery for multiple reasons. Ravens might be more useful on other kinds of long range jobs. I would say, for example, if you wanted to train an animal to actively do. Spying or reconnaissance of some kind like, I could imagine that you might be able to train ravens to go into an enemy encampment and recover certain kinds of objects and bring them home to you probably better than you could train a pigeon to do something like that. Like if you were to train a raven like, basically where the raven knew that if it found a flash drive. Yes. It could return that and get a special treat. Yes. And then you would just, you know, receive flash drives, and hopefully they would have something of of interest on them. Yeah. And I think there are some reports that throughout history ravens have been rumored to have been considered for for like war surveillance, and espionage purposes, I I don't know to what extent they've ever been fully used especially not to the extent that pigeons have been, but there's your movie setup raven JAMES BOND. Yeah. I was trying to think of examples of other messenger animals and fiction, and nothing was really coming to mind, except for the I I didn't read the book series, my wife or the books, but the at least the television series, the magicians that air on scifi, they have these talking rabbits that they'll show these messenger rabbits, and they'll just sort of pop into existence on say your table. And then they'll speak in this this kind of weird almost Gilbert. Godfrey ish voice to deliver the message. Wow. Yeah. But nobody it's not we're not even going to consider the possibility of messenger rabbits here on this podcast. I think we should consider messenger. Sicilians the like underground em- Fibi ns that burrow through the earth until they get to their target and the message, and this is your worm. It's dirty. It's dirty by the time it arrives. There's some significance lime. Yeah. Well, I I wonder if there are any other really fascinating treatments out there. I mean, ultimately, the bir- a bird is going to give you the best bang for your buck. Right is going to be able to to to to fly. It's going to be able to travel in a straight line. It's going to be able to to execute a fair amount of, you know, reasonable like stealth and avoidance of threats and they're smarter than we thought. Yeah. Unless I don't know in west in Waterworld did they have like messenger fish that they use even that wouldn't be as good as a messenger bird now. Yeah. Messenger rats. I don't know. I well at any rate if you're out here out there listening to this episode perhaps you have encountered another messenger animal or another variety of messenger bird in fiction, and you'd like to share that with us a likewise, a lot of people still raise I have a friend who who just picked up raising carrier-pigeons. So perhaps some of you out there have some expertise with pigeons he would like to share Br. 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Game of Thrones Season 8, Ep4: "The Last of the Starks"

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Game of Thrones Season 8, Ep4: "The Last of the Starks"

"Listeners. Guess what? We just heard about this. Great new podcast. It's called earth break. It's the newest series from Schuyler. Ginny sleet stars as the last survivor of an alien apocalypse. It's funny. It's scary and heartbreaking all at the same time. Crazy take us into the trailer. My name is lingo hurt. And I've just survived by dumb luck. I guess. Is probably dying. Like everyone else, you're not pregnant. Earth break starring Jenny slate is a six part series debut in on may seven subscribe on apple podcasts or wherever you're listening right now. Welcome one and all whether you drink from goblet of wine, a horn of Mead or cardboard coffee Cup ticket split screens special coverage of game of thrones season eight my name is Kirk Hamilton. And I'm joined by my co host Jason schreier to talk about episode four the last of the Starks a note before we get started this conversation will discuss the events of every aired episode of the show, including this one as well as all of the events in the books. It will not discuss any leaks spoilers, nor will it discuss. The next time on preview, which neither of us watch. Jason like, Thomas Jefferson said. This episode had plenty of that along with some grieving some drinking some boning and some unfortunate killing big picture. What did you think? So I thought it was more watchable than last week's episode. That's for sure I don't know if I liked it. But I certainly enjoyed watching it a lot more than last week where I was just kind of bored and like not really sure it was going on. I have a lot of complaints as we will get to. But there were also some very cool moments and scenes, but I think part of the problem with this season in the last season of the show is that oftentimes it's writing towards those moments instead of letting those moments have organically organically, but I won't doubt. I won't deny that those are cool moments. So that that those are my overall thoughts I have a lot of gripes that will get to. I'm really bummed about the way that feels like characters that Georgia Martin created and meticulously crafted. Over the years are just kind of getting butchered in a way that I'm not really happy with and I don't know how much of that is based on what the got from him for future book material. But it just doesn't feel like that. And we can also get to that as we go. But specifically Tyrian begun the the most unhappy with his evolution. What did you think? Big picture. Yeah. I found this to be a pretty disappointing up soda for all which is sort of a bummer because at least last week. I was more positive on the episode than you. But yeah, I think it's just undeniable that this episode has an issue. I had things that I like things they didn't like I think for my big picture thoughts. I just wrote down three likes and three dislikes. I'll see them very quickly. I liked drunk bream. Drink freon was great. I liked Bruns speech, and I like Browns general world view. I thought that was good, and I liked various interior and finally having a very dangerous conversation. I thought that scene was able to get him. I'll let you finish. No. We're not talking about my things. I'm just listening gonna keep going. Well, we'll get there. We'll we'll do a whole recap dislikes John ghosting ghost. What the fuck that made me? So mad sons betraying John's trust in like, thirty seconds. Also, not a fan of that. And I guess those two things sort of some up my overall gripe which was that it felt like the last twenty or thirty minutes of the episode fit about three episodes worth of material into it. And some of it was good material. But there was so much of a pacing problem that it just felt like a lot of stuff didn't work that actually maybe could have worked. If you just look at what happened. But it just there wasn't time. Like, it's like they ran out of time which kind of confuses me too. I have some thoughts about the butchery of characters question that you brought up. I think that's kind of interesting. We'll get into that in the particulars. But yeah, I it just feels like the show runners and the people who just make this show. The the creative leads you make the show just wanted to be over. And like it's felt like that for a while. And it's been pretty clear based on interviews that they've said they just want the show to end and feels like they're just cutting corners to get there. Like there. Just they just want out yet. It's interesting. I mean, I totally get dedicating ten years to something. And just being like, okay, we need to end this. And and I totally understand that you there is no amount of episodes. They could have that would let them satisfactorily end this massive novel story like series, that's probably never gonna end on its own terms. So I get that too. It does feel like if feels weird like like HBO mandated, you have six episodes, and they said, okay. Well, fine. If you insist we'll take you know, when I'm sure they it's I I don't know. I don't know about the production. It seems like they could have had more episodes. So I agree that it's a little bit odd. It feels like at odds with sulfur something the pacing stuff in particular. But let's get into the the point. About what you said is that the bronze scene is the perfect example, like a badass moment that makes no sense. How we got there? It feels like they just wrote towards that instead of leading and happen organically. So we'll get to that. When we discussed that specific moment because I have some thoughts on that too. Yeah. I'm sure we will let's get into it. So we begin winter fell, of course. And we're in this aftermath of the battle a funeral service for the dead. Everyone is sort of at assigned like pirate. They're reading for like Arias at Barrick and Danny's Jura, and as theon and everyone sort of grieving over their specific main character tied as well as the unnamed, you know, stacks of bodies again. So you must be really disappointing because last year you were our last week. You were like they have like the consequences of his are going to be so dire. You thought people would have died off screen you thought that this was going to be this big brutal massacre. And really it just had very little consequence that whole funeral scene would have just been so much more impactful if like one. Person that everybody loved to die like one person that we cared about. Even just want like had died. Yeah. I mean, I still feel the way that I felt like watching the episode. I still feel the way that I felt that it was horrifying. I was watching a whole bunch of people die, and it was awful and that conveyed to me the gravity of the battle. So I'm still just not really on board with this Amine named character needs to die for feel impactful about the red shirts. I do. I mean, I thought John speech was pretty good. He gave this cool speech about how these people sacrificed wasn't for nothing. And it kinda you know, I think he did he did Justice to them. I was impressed seemed like his voice was different was voice different in the he was doing his his Christian bale. Batman. Yes. Yeah. That's kind of what he was doing he needed to sound inspiring. So he turned it on. So they like the Pires and afterward. They have party because there's do after a battle get drunk and everybody celebrates being alive. Which is I I assume that's what you do after a battle. I have never been in a battle. But in the Suming, that's what I would want to do after battle. So this party scene is pretty fun. We start with. Gandhari, and he's looking for of course, because he's sort of you know, he's in love with which isn't ends tragically. She killed the Nike. It's true. Are is pretty cool. She he gets up Danny kind of calls him out and single out. And she gives him storms end and says, basically, your now the Barath, Ian in charge and shit fan fiction right there. It makes no sense. That makes no sense. Not only Ganji. This. Nameless. Soldier face a soldier. Not nameless. Faceless soldier who didn't do anything of note in the battle to. He made weapons for everybody. Did that was very useful. In a lot of other black sensors a whole, we don't know. Maybe he was the guy in charge for to guy is like very much. It's ridiculous. So Ganji is this random Robert raffia and bastard, right? Who has never been to storms, and as far as we know except maybe no he went to dragon sewn with with Melissa Ndre. So he has absolutely no claim to storms and other than the fact that they're no more Barath eons. But like he doesn't know anybody there. He has absolutely no reason to there's no reason to think that he could lead people there, and like come in and take over as Lord when they've been living for years like just on their own with their own dynamics and social systems and deniers comes along. And it's like now, you're the Lord of storm's end because you're hot dude with the name in the show. And we thought that we it'd be cool. If you and are you hooked up which fine, but like for him to suddenly have this position of great power. And for everyone to. Act. Like, that's a smart political move from deniro's is just ridiculous. That was preposterous to me. It's not a smart move. I'm definitely with you on that. Yeah. Played it like it was. All right. It's a very generis move to just think. Okay. Sure. We'll just kind of shake things up here in this place. I don't really understand Tyrians. Tyrians smart move smart move, Danny? As we saw from teary on the Sepah. He's he's maybe not the man he used it as a bummer. So Brandon you're drinking together. Everyone's kind of having fun Tyrian makes has the very quotable line. We may have defeated them. But we still have us to contend with great line. And you know, Tyrian talks with brand we've got a good scene of them together. Brand kind of talks more about being the three eyed raven, which is definitely one of my lingering questions is just like is it like to be the three eyed raven any kind of says, I live mostly in the past which I think we we've seen brands of future. But it seems like the three and raven mostly is about the past. So I guess that's what that's like is like, you're just in eternal, sunshine and the spotless mind. All the time. They really do not have a lot of time to resolve that question and his deal. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe they won't. Maybe they won't anyways. Jamie -tarian reenter drinking brand gets very drunk. It's extremely good. There's been so much good brand. Content and drunk eight actually made me very happy. Various sort of notices to narrow noticing how the dudes are all about John snow. There's kind of this whole it's it's interesting. It's kind of well well done this. I thought this is a pretty well directed episode. I felt like I could always they did a good job of tracking these conversations through this room sort of like this whole party sequence. And she gets up and leaves sort of seeming upset various follows her. Meanwhile, what else there are some young women who are sort of hitting on padraic in the hound the the hound resists the one who's hitting on him saying there's only one thing that'll make me happy which makes clear gain bowlers very excited because what could you be talking about? I kinda got the sense. Did you get the sense from this that Santa had sort of sent those girls over and that she was kind of overseeing this and one, and I didn't even think about it happen or care? I kinda got that sense. That sounds sort of working everybody being the lady of winter fell which sort of struck me as cool. Yes, she talks to the hound the hound says to her, you know, you should come with me. When I when I offered to take you away from king's landing, and she's like, well, all these things happen to me. But without them. I wouldn't be who I am now, and he's sort of like word, and you know, just worth pointing out that that's like that. I didn't like that character note from her like, I just it seems so overly simplistic, and then seem kind of like oh trauma must happen to someone in order for them to become great, and that shoot almost see this blessing, which is kind of shoes describing it here. I kind of didn't buy that from Santa. I feel like sons would see it in a more nuanced way than that. Because like that's pretty messed up thing for the show to kind of be reinforcing. I dunno like, I get why she in the hound would both feel that way the hound is also very shaped by trauma, and you know, they'd have kinship about it. It just seemed like a clumsily delivered line. A weirdly written thing for sounds at say. So it wasn't really a fan of that. Well, it felt like the writers talking being like see look, look what we've done to Santa. We've turned her and like you all criticize us for the sexual assault. But look what we look how awesome. She is. Now. Without that that justifies it because now she's great. And it's like that's not cool. Like, that's not how this works. Yeah. Very clumsy. And yeah, it it's part of what I'm talking about this butchery of these characters and in in all the other ways. I love the way the signs has evolved. And I love the fact that she's probably gonna end up on the iron throne at the end of all this. But yeah, it's it's that was a bummer of a line so trucks aria Genry proposes and says you could come be of lady in a castle just like Ned always wanted. And are of course, says no that's not me because that's not area. Gary never really understood are you? And that's as throwback to seen in the books. I think is us in the show where where net is like one day, you're going to marry Lord. And she's like that. So that's not me. Yeah. Comb cool throwback to season one. Yeah. They're sim in there's so many of those even they're still so many of those in this episode. So it's kind of a bummer 'cause like Henry doesn't really understand area. But I guess he never did. And that's fine. He'll barely figured. I assume this is the lab. Last time where ever gonna see Ganji like I don't see energy coming back ever again. I wonder it's interesting a lot of these. Maybe will it felt kind of. Yeah. You can sum up some of them up at the end. Maybe but it did feel like there was some real farewells on this show some more satisfying than others for. Sure Jamie, as they're playing kind of if if I guess this correctly about you. I drink game. It's sort of like to have this like never have ever have I ever. Okay. It's kind of playing never have I ever that's the one and Jamie guesses that Brennan's. The virgin Brienne is like whatever fuck you guys. I'm leaving Jamie goes off after her this kind of fun. Another thought well-directed sequence of just body language as torment comes in and Jamie, kind of like surrogate. But no. And he's. Tyrian is like have some wine. It's going to be okay. And it's just kind of there's a lot of unspoken communication about. What's happening? And they go off together, Jaime and Brienne get together. And it's pretty wonderful. He says I've never slept the night before. And she says I have never slept with anyone before. Yeah. I'm not a big fan of Jaime and Brienne hunting home. I feel like they have such a good friendship. That's ruined by this. Well, I think back to believe it's in the books. There are some sequences where he finds himself attracted to her and doesn't know what to make of it because he's never it's almost like I'm trying to think I feel like this has been in other. This is actually a sex in the city plotline. That's what I'm thinking of its Charlotte sex in the city fought lying Surrey everybody who didn't watch sex in the city, but there's a great Stevens where she realizes that she's attracted to someone who isn't like the type of guy she thinks she should be attracted to, but it's like how sexual attraction actually works anyways. It's a great storyline for Charlotte. Smith city, and it's sort of similar in the books to Jamie being like, oh, I'm so in love with sir c. She's beautiful. She's like my perfect lions. And then he kind of like unexpectedly finds himself attracted to bring I think they're like bathing together or something. And he's like, oh like what the fuck, and he kind of has these thoughts. And then he pushes them aside. Because that's not who he is. I saw this. I feel like the Mike at together in the books to kind of like that storyline. So and I liked both of these actors and just thought they were. Yeah fan I'm not against it. I just I'm not a huge fan of it next week. John finally, getting a moment to themselves to like talk things through they make out for a second, which is fairly scandalous because at this point, they both know this. I think my notes say something like full knowledge, incest or something all cabs. They never even mentioned that the leaking may care about is that John is like as a claim to the throne. They don't talk about the fact that they're related. That's I don't know. Maybe they just don't care. She says I wish you hadn't told me he says, I don't want the throne. She's like, it doesn't matter. Dude, I've seen how they look at you. I know how this will go. They're going to press your claim for you, which she's not wrong. It does seem like that is fairly likely. She begs del anyone she says swear, salmon, brand is secrecy secrecy. Don't tell anybody. He's kind of having in Hong as I don't know what to do. I hope we can find a way that we can live together. And she just goes is cold. And is like I've told you how do it and just kind of walks away. And it's a very intense and foreshadowing moments. That indicates that things may not go. So well. Since it's ridiculous scenarios like did ariza's. Like, I mean, I don't know this vision of her to this total terrible ruler. Is like I guess she was she always had like a streak of the mad king in her. And she always there was always like hints that she would turn out this way out to be totally power hungry and cruel and ruthless and just self absorbed and only focused on getting the throne. But I don't know it just feels like it's the way that it's been handled has not been adept. I would say, okay. So does him out on this thing since I don't I think this is gonna come up again and again and again throughout the Sepah. So the idea of these characters are acting out of character. And that there things they're doing the domain sense. And they're kind of ruining the characters. I well, I don't know if I agree if I'd say that about to narrow, but yeah, go ahead. So cool. I've been thinking about this. So but to out on that idea a little bit the fact that deniro's it's she's been set up this storyline. The idea. That she's going to become the mad Queen. And you know, it's going to she's going to become the villain in the end has been set up right for the whole show. So right. That one is like pretty established like you said. I don't know show the last. Well, it's always been there. It's always kind of been there. There's always been the question of should she ruler? Not and her gradual transformation, a yeah. The last few seasons, anyways, that's just one example. But like Tyrian now kind of being an idiot, and and making bad decisions is is a big jam and other things that have happened to sir sees decisions, etc. What's tricky about this actor, it strikes me as what's tricky about? It is that the characters need to have changed over the course of the show. Like, it wouldn't be interesting. If everyone was just the same person that they were at the very beginning. Because that's not how game of thrones in particular works, right? Like people change, the problem is that like everyone was really changing a lot up to the point where the books stopped, and then they had to keep changing the characters they had to keep them moving along toward their end points and actually like in the last third or whatever how much how much of this story the show runners needed to tell the needed to really do a lot of the big growth in the big change. The big surprising things that happen. And it seems to me almost like we're watching that cassa just be almost impossible for the actors and for the writers without the source material the gone, and it's like we're watching them have to do all that change in largely elegant ways because they're just kinda stuck they the books carry them up to the hardest part, and then kind of left them with all of these characters actually changing. So Santa is actually a good example of the opposite. Because Santa didn't change that much in the books the books. She's still at this point where she's actually in the Vale still she's living under fake name last time. He saw her like little finger had just killed Lisa Aaron so it was just it's like just Sansa like like living alive there as his adopted daughter, right? She is not become this ruthless woman who is cold and calculated and this alternate schemer, this brilliant schemer at all, and I'm actually really happy with how she's evolved in the show. I think that's a really good example of the show runners and Ray, the people make the show turning this character into something really. Cool. The problem is that with the other characters especially Tyrian until lesser sensors and Brienne and couple of others, but Tyrian, especially it's like they've changed him. But they haven't actually shown why or how he's changed like how deteriorate suddenly turned into a more. Like, there's no there's absolutely nothing in the show to actually like trace that and tree set of allusions. That's the problem with it. It's like it's not just that they were forced to take him on this journey of growth and change. Its the didn't. It's like they did the change without doing the germ. Yes, precisely I mean, that's what I'm saying. They had a very difficult task put before them because they had to do the work of the final developments in some cases. They did a good job in some cases. They've done a less. Good job. But it was a very difficult job as my point. And sometimes they've done it poorly like with Tyrian, it's sort of, you know, happening abruptly or with scenarios, even which she had a lot of groundwork laid for this. But there's it does feel like having seen this episode there. There are a couple missing steps to her transformation would have made it work. Just like there are maybe a couple missing steps or something that happened Tyrian that could have explained how he kind of wound up thinking the way that he thinks right? It's like they didn't quite pull it off. Because they didn't quite take us from point A point B, really from point deed point that. I don't think that's because they were in this tough situation. I think it's because and this goes along feces they just wanted to end the show like they just wanted to skip ahead get shit done with. And that's why everything is moved so fast. And that's why season seven like with the fast travel that everyone was complaining about it's like they just want this shit to be over. They wanted to tie everything together get him into winter Velez quickly as possible. And as a result of that they're writing towards the destination instead of writing in a way where it or the story organically comes out of the catches decision. So instead of writing like all right now what Tyrian doing this situation the raiders are thinking. Okay. And now we have to get them down to one dragon. Now, we have to get them their forces cut off. So we'll have. Tyrian do this. So it leads that instead of starting in one place in writing from their they're starting at the end and writing backwards, even if like destroys some of these characters as result. Let's get moving at the war table. It looks like everyone's kind of talking through it looks like they're evenly matched with Surtees forces. Apparently, we learned that Yara has retaken the iron islands, not a huge surprise and the new prince of Dorn pledges support, which I thought was funny. They couldn't even give them a name. They couldn't be like. Well, it goes. I mean, it's like okay during doesn't matter anymore. No one likes door. Moving on sons in areas have kind of a disagreement, and then John steps in and says, no we're going with deniro's. She's the one that we're obeying. She's the Queen of the seven kingdoms the their plan, which is to lay siege to king's landing and in caused the people to turn on Searcy. And if she fights them in the field John says, we will defeat her in the field, which seems like a kind of a vague plan to me. Texted you. I was like when did when was it? Explain why they split up. They didn't explain this. I rewind the scene when I was preparing for this other sewed, and they do not explain why they split up. Now, there's a kind of gonna sume a couple reasons maybe they couldn't fit took boats. They couldn't fit the unsullied into threat key on the boats, so Tyrian Davos or merging with them. There could be reasons, but they don't explain specific to the strategy. Why the bulk of their forces going down the kings road as the rest of them are moving Navaly to dragon stone, and they're approaching king's landing at different times. Which is asinine. This is all absurd. It's like they're they're writing towards these moments like instead of writing what these characters would actually do like, even might be a bad general. And that might be part of the story that she's just not great at this. But nobody would do the stupid war plan that they did in this episode like that is just so impossible to believe. It's preposterous. What they did. I mean, I think that the plant the deal of them. Going ahead of the other army was forced perhaps by Sirius' attack. And the way that that changed the circumstances. They had to react to that. Which I think that's possible that she kills the drag. We're not there yet that she captures like. Oh, okay. Heiresses number advisor. Somehow they missed even though they have the we're gonna we're just okay. Let's keep going. Let's give. So anyways, that's kind of their strategy. Not. It's doesn't totally make sense splitting up, but I have to assume that it's because the bulk of their forces ground forces. They just have to walk down the kings read the narrow says they're going to win. Jamie says he's staying behind an RN sounds a pull John aside after the meeting, and they're like, dude, we need a word. Yeah. Jamie saying behind also makes no sense. Like, why would he ever do that? He's over it. I don't know anyways areas onset and brand on meeting the gods. I liked the scene because it's nice to see the remaining Starks together Jonah's making the case for for deniro are in Santa or extremely clearly not on board Brandon. He kind of exchanging meaning. Aloke and brand says it's your choice whether to tell them, and so Jon swears them to secrecy. And he starts to tell them. He's brand right, right? He says brand, and then we never see their reactions, which is I feel like they deprived of of this incredible moment to see our incense of reaction to this. And we didn't pisses me much the passage of this information was definitely it all took place offscreen, which is surprising because there's some good actors who got to learn this. And this would have been fun to how could we not get to see aria and Santon learn that their half brother who they've like are you especially as love John like like a like, a real brother, and like, suddenly they find out that he's actually their cousin and like he's the tar Garin, and it's like to not get to see that is man such a waste so many bad decisions from these hunters. Yeah, they had to fit a lot into eighty minutes. Next scene is Jamie interior of two more minutes to see our incense like getting stunned getting to act that out man. Of course. No. I'm not making excuses for them. Everybody finding out this whole whisper chain, but REM Santa come on. Sorry. I'll stop that's fine. Jamie interior, Tyrian meet up to talk before Tyrian sets out. They make some fairly tasteless jokes about Brienne. But a Tyrian does seem happy for Jamie. And then Baronne comes in swaggering Bron just shows up with his crossbow. He punches Tyrian in the face and make some jokes and recalls. Of course, the Tyrian once said if anyone's paying you to kill me come to me first, and I'll double it. So Brown is getting what what's the castle the variety wishes castle river run and tears like, well, I'll give you high garden, which people are throwing around castles in this episode is a lot of people thrown around a lot of promises about castles, Brian gives this very great speech. I thought that kind of encapsulates his worldview, and basically sums up to all the noble houses, y'all think you're so great. But really as Ron says you'll just start with a hard bastard, who's good at killing people. You just kill the bunch of people. And then you. Kill the bunch more people, and then you made it so that your family was some noble fucking family. And it's all bullshit, and you're just murderers, and it's a very brand view of the world, but not an inaccurate one. If we look back at the history of western so I just sort of liked the scene just like Braun, and I like interactions between these guys even though it was over to quickly and kind of ridiculous material promises to brand that he's gonna give him high garden Brown's like I'm not even fighting, but I will fucking kill you. If you don't give me and they've yeah, cool scene. But when you think about it, and I'll falls apart because it's like how did Brian get through winter fells guards. How did Braun oh, Brian is very. That I'm not worried about that concede through anything. Okay. So Brian just like road up all the way to inter Phil from king's landing over the course of two weeks or whatever just so he could come and say give me high guarded, and then he was fun. Yeah. I mean, it's wants a better. He's like I bet I can get something that the move around. And he did he walked away with Huggins worth the ride share saying now, he's just gonna go peace out. And maybe Brian end up the iron throne. He'll be the only survivor. Good. He's sort of has the right mindset for it. So we cut to REM the hound who meet up on the kings road writing Southie. Both kind of head on head off together, which is nice only because it reflects the way the two characters are both not really team players and the way I love that. They're going off together that's super cool and makes sense for both characters. And like, actually I totally buy that down for that. And by the way, even though I've been very critical of the fan fiction. He stuff that the show has headed towards I actually think click gain Bill is necessary. And I'm glad we're getting it because it feels like even even in the books that feels like that's the necessary arc of your character. Like, you can't have to not have the GameBoy would almost be like deniro's dying and not getting before she gets the lesser. It's like you need the game bowl. It just makes sense. So yeah, I'm glad are headed that way. Yeah. The how'd literally says I'm heading to king's landing on unfinished business is probably my favorite line episode. Just because I I laugh. Imagining all caps game bowl gift tweets sons, watches Damaris fly off on drug on she's bringing ragle with her John is like not writing regal because it's because he couldn't because of the script of emphasis that he couldn't. Yeah. Tyrian approaches and sort of talks to sons, and he's he's kind of doing his diplomacy thing. He's trying to say look you just back to us like we need her. We need to make this work. You seem dead set against her sons, as you know, sort of saying, oh, we'll John is going to be this liaison to the north and tyranny, we both know that when Jonah's in king's landing you're going to be the power in the north. We need you on our side. And as he's getting ready to leave signs, stop some, and is like, you know, what if there was another outage in and then again, we don't get to see Tyrian. Learn about John which that was definitely when I thought it'd be cool to watch somebody else. Learn this because this is this major important secret in the west coast, and it's like first of all the ridiculousness of which nobody keep secrets after all that. And then second of all like, the fact that man. Yeah. That we don't get to see these reaction. Yeah. Honestly, like not seeing the reaction is a bar, but it is a bummer that sons betrayed John's trusts so quickly. And so time gets a little Lou. Gucci in this episode, and it's been loosey-goosey on this show has its time and travel for awhile. But. In particular. There are times where it feels like weeks have passed maybe. And and more people go all the way, you know, to dragon stone to king's landing, there's definitely some passive time and enough of these plot developments over this kind of next part of the episode. This is the part of the episode that stopped. I was like I cannot keep up with this. This is so much happening without enough time, and this it was just tricky to deal with and one of them is just sons making the decision to betray John's trust, which is like holy shit kind of a major decision, and she just tells tearing it I mean, I know that she interior and have a connection, and and she trusts him. And I get that. But there just wasn't. It wasn't really doing it. Because she hates an heiress. It's not really clear why she hates the Nara so much. That's not really here. But if you buy it trust her if you buy that, she wants John to take the throne, then of course, she's gonna tell Tyrian, I'm less. I buy that a lot more than I by John telling scenario in the first place. Yeah. About that. Well, some about not buying it. I don't not by that sense of betray John. 'cause like you said she totally has her incentives to do that. It's more that it just happened so quickly and all of this stuff happened so quickly that there's just not enough time to deal with his breathing would otherwise what would otherwise be interesting. Character beats one of those is sons of making the decision that no, I know better and deniro's the wrong choice and John's wrong, and she's probably right about so, you know, she's making the right decision. But you know, seeing that process would have been kind of cool. Yeah. It's is suffering so much from the fact that the the show runners, and let's going torment and John are meeting in the courtyard of winter fell. This is a combination. Nice slash very frustrating scene. Torment tells John, you know, he's going back to the north joke again about how the wildlands call winter fell the south John tells and he's setting sending ghosts north with him. Which was when I began to think, oh, what's like. So we're really not gonna see ghost get to do any fighting. We see ghosts Hmm. Apparently lost his ear in the battle of winter fell. Looking looking good, though goes this hanging out torment, and John have a really nice scene. They like hug and tormentors cool, and I really liked the two of them. And and says tells Janis like the real north in new, you know, which is super true when you think about everything John went through together, and the idea of torment this total bad ass, you know, northern like wild free guy learning to respect, John and the way that John really did kind of earn it. I don't know I like their relationship and the ways that it reflects the ways that John has changed in the things John has gone through really liked this scene. John John's goodbye Gilly, also really nice and we learn Gilead pregnant. I thought this was cute scene. And just so that that's got to be good by salmon Geli for good this very much. These all seem like good bye to me. Because also there's nothing left in the north. That's a threat anymore that we know of right? Can just go live happily ever after in the north. It's just sad that this is how Sam goes like his only purpose in life was to tell John that he's the true Warren with son of rate. Maybe we'll see if that's if if it is an evidence good that was the bummer, although it would be cool. It would be cool if the show ends on like Sam and Gilly and their new babies rent? He's writing. Yeah. That would be and he's writing the history of lesser us. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be very that would be very Tolkien to end at that. But cool, I would be happy. Sam tells John you're the best friend. I ever had John says you to Sam it's cute. Then the worst thing ever happens. We're ghost wines at John and John just sort of fucking walks off. He doesn't even goes. Yeah. One of a Suming they would have to pay for that. And that would have been an expensive scene for the petting the CGI ghost. But jeez. Like, they weren't even shown in the same shot. Yeah. Which also again, I think that was probably for logistical reasons. But it's your dog. Dude, like pet your dog by your dog. It's like they spent seasons setting him up as like the true protector. Johnson like he was guarding his body when he is dead. It's yeah. It's really just another character like destruction by the show, like the show destroying character relationship for no reason, just put drinking how do you really feel characters? It's so sad. It's because like, I know I was kidding. You don't you don't need to elaborate? I know. But I know some people are like oh my God Jason so negative. But like you have to understand that like I love these books. I've probably read them all like five times. It's one of my favorite book series. It's not my favorite book series ever. I love these characters. I love the way Georgia are Martin writes. I love this story. And I was so happy like when it was I adapted on HBO and just getting the on screen is really cool is like really well done and just to watch slowly as I've gradually realized that the show would outpace the books, and I would have to see the end to this story on the show, which can't be ignored. Because it's so big in our culture like it would be impossible to not watch it because I want to wait for the books. Yeah. It's just bums me out. I wonder if there are people doing that. I would love to. I bet there are people who are just like. Nope. Fuck this. Pass this our friend. Bet there. He well. It's for his job. He writes about he writes like it was impossible to just impossible. We'll wait. I think that I bet you there are people. I would love to hear about people that would be an interesting article, maybe on a website like otaku dot com. Some someone who works for that site. Can write read an article about this? I think it would be really fun to talk to people who have been basically blinkered on game of thrones. Since the books went persons the show impasse, the bucks and are just still gonna wait. And they're like I'm gonna wait twenty years. If that's what it takes. I'm not fucking watching this ending because I could kinda see doing that. I don't know like I'll never watch the the golden compass movie, right? 'cause I don't wanna see that shit because I love those books, and I don't wanna see the bad the bad movie. I could kinda see someone being like, no, whatever miss this cultural event and even possible to not be like you will be spoiled on the ending. But it wouldn't be the same experience of if it really bums you out so much right to have to watch your character favorite characters. Like do the thing. Maybe what happens. But anyways, I'd love to hear. If anybody listening to this knows of people. Who are doing that? I would love to hear about it. Let's keep moving because to the ocean gray Ramin Musonda air with Genesis fleet. Everything is fine. And everything is going to totally be fine. It's all great. They're hanging out. And it's just so great and below deck Tyrian and various are talking about John's true identity because just everybody tells everybody the secret immediately, and we also didn't see various learn about it. But we he seems extremely perturbed various at this point has kind of is very on team mad Queen scenarios would kill John. This is bad. Like where this is. This is not going to end. Well, Tyrian is still kind of torn wants to stay to SOS as Syrian various bantering again. I will say yes. Yes. And Tyrian does of really just sad deflecting. Well, whatever we have to deal with this more immediate thing. We have to deal with Kingsland. Yeah. Which is very like dude you need to be thinking about this. Clearly, they both know that this is not like they have to deal with us interior. Just doesn't want to. So as their flying ragle, man. As their has their flying. Wriggle takes a huge crossbow bolt to the chest out of nowhere. Second bolt goes through his neck, and you're like, okay thought Reagan died last of us owed. He died this episode. All right P rig all sort of unceremonious end brought about by year on great joy, of course. And he has launched a sneak naval attack somehow, despite the fact that the people he's thinking of on have to dragons and can see this is the stupidest thing that game has ever done because I do I don't know. We'll just everything about it. Just the fact that the dry like being in the air. You didn't see the ships. The fact that this that urines crossbow like ballista shooting a moving target can somehow get these precise next shots and like three shots in a row like on this moving dragon. And then the fact that like to narrow instead of maybe going around behind the boats and burning them all because she has a fucking dragon and the crossbows are only pointed one direction leave. Like, the whole the whole that was that might be like the moment that I was just like the show is too far gone. I mean, I probably started thinking about a while ago. But that was the dumbest thing that's even dumber than them trying to kidnap white and bring it back to see like this was the dumbest thing came through ever done. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I don't know about that. It was the scene didn't make a lot of sensors like the things that happened in. It didn't make a lot of sense. Even though we've got them where they needed to go. There was something that I enjoyed which was that you're on a tax and the naval battle breaks out. And then Tyrian gets hit by falling mass and his knocked out after the fight and they've called I like that only because it took me back to season one. When that happens the battle of what does it the wood whispering whispering wood? And just the way that the show used to do that a lot there. It's funny like I was reading this somewhere. Some of those pointing this out that like the show basically like used to be a show that would never show a massive Appleseed because shows didn't do that. When game of thrones first game. On. There wasn't an expectation that we're going to see the most outrageously huge battles the way that we do now. And it was kind of funny flashback officer because watching battles and very interesting. There's a lot of blurred. It's hard to tell what's going on. And like, yeah. I mean, I just don't think battles are ever unless like superhero battles where everything's very clearly visually like choreographed. I don't think the game of thrones battles have ever been really interesting except for blackwater. That was interesting because they were doing stuff beyond just like sword fighting. It was like all about the chain and cutting off the these ships and the wildfire. So that was really cool. But but other battles have just been underwhelming. I think but yeah, no. This is cool. I like that they just knocked him out. And then we see like the the the carnage on the shore. But like the fact that generis didn't just go up behind them. And settle those boats on fire is like one of the biggest plot holes that the show has ever had like why is there any explanation like that? I'm not thinking of think like is there any? The reason that she wouldn't other than her just being stupid and angry. And like, I don't know. I guess like it's risk of a dragon. I mean, they could have ballista on the back of the ships. And then chair, you know, like risking drug on is dicey. And you've just lost one dragon. And she's like grieving the loss of one of children's. So she's not thinking straight. There's like reasons, I guess, I don't know. What really that plot hole is not like my my problem. But but overall it definitely had the feeling of. Well, we needed to have her down a dragon needed this to happen. And then, of course, the other contrivance, which is actually the pretend tribes that bugged me more is that misunder has been captured. So Yvonne happen like we don't know how she is actually captured. We see everybody on on on the beach and grey worm can't find Masan irony being that they were going to head off to the beach together. No, he is on the beach alone without her so like, assuming they boarded the ship, right? 'cause that's only way they'd be able to kidnap her. Why would they kidnap this random serving girl and not like Tyrian? Oh, well this point. I think they would. No who Masada is. She's not a random survey share. But why would why would they kidnap only her if they were able to not have really makes sense. If you think about the fact that they only can napped her. But how do they get on the boat in the first place to get her? Like, we never saw. I don't know is I kid helping her could see sir c. It seems like surveys plan, which is maybe a questionable plan. But it seems like our plan is to go Damaris into burning a bunch of shit, and thus turning people against her like that is seems to me from the subsequent events of the size of the we're about to get into that. That's what he wants. He wants and says he wants that to happen. Definitely the best thing to do is to kidnap the last remaining person that is like deniro, tether to the people in like keeping her together. It's a lot for to. I'll grant you. And like, I don't know. Yeah. The particulars of how they got in and got her. How does she know? Who like, yeah. It's. Yeah. She at this point like Masan has been around for a while. She could definitely no, okay. There's this woman who is like deniro says number one adviser, and she's also a steadying hand and without her. You know, you could go scenarious and actions. So I'm assuming that's that was actually a plan. It wasn't just random because it was random then it's just doesn't make sense. So anyways that happens. It's a bummer. We got the king's landing CS hanging out with Hiber n- kings lining sucks. Like, nobody cooling king's landing. So whenever they go there. It's just sitting around with her sad. Army sell swords or like mad. Scientists bigs AVI, dude. Anders AVI best friend yet. Exactly. And her like, total cream, the great singer seriously soci-, the Maistre zombie best friend and fucking Europe. That's like seriously who gets hang out with. I wonder if she's just like whatever burn it all down. I'm just hanging out with nothing. But the worst characterised out. Remember, how different urine is in the books. Right. Like, let's not this like Soir fee like hands fire duties like this fucking evil Warlock, very different. Yeah. He is significantly different. I don't love your on. I think we covered that. And in the books, by the way, he has this horn that he says can you control dragons, which is way more interesting than fucking cross than. Yeah. Yeah. That's one of those plot points that I don't like I'm not surprised that they cut, and I don't really mind them cutting because there's all these little things like that that they've entered that Georgia Marin is introduced show like, okay. Well, those are all interesting possibilities, but you got to winnow. So I'm definitely replace it with a crossbow is a little a magic crossbow. Yeah. Imagine. Yeah. It's like a dragon killing bliss. They took the game war groove ballistics can instantly kill dragons. Yeah. It is actually an old firearm lem thing to right is that like the the range stuff always hurts flying. It's it's it's established. He's clearly just played some some fire and the workgroup your endless own switch. Okay. So basically, the gist of the scene is that tells you're on that her the child she is carrying his his carrying on her tradition of lying to men about Jamie Spacey's, and by the way, just a quick thing is like if when did she actually get pregnant unless she's just lying about everything. But like assuming she's pregnant since they've set it up so much when did she get pregnant? Why would she was showing at this point? Well, I don't know about this showing question she slept with Jamie, though, there was like a scene where she kind of was like really messed up remember the particulars. But it was like a dark sex scene between them well after he was not comfortable with her anymore. And she was being weird, but they did sleep. Once. And then I believe shortly after that as she says, she's pretty yeah. So since then there's been like the battle of the wagon, the Lou wagon thing, and then Jamie going all the way up to winter fell and fell zombies. And then them coming all the way down. So like, it must have been months. Right. Like, she should be clearly praying than I mean, you know, widdly wobbly time. Yeah. I'm thrones. Is again, this is something that George armor and would have given thought to like a meticulously plotted show would actually care about. I'm just saying like this dull game of thrones would've cared about t tells like this. Yeah. No, I've wondered about the same thing. But then again, maybe she's not pregnant and. Yeah, no, totally as one that would be fair fair answer to this. So we, of course, see that she's captured Masan days, she's making her wear chains. Again. Speaking of Whibley wobbly time that happened really fast. She suddenly has Misawa at the keep. Okay. I guess everybody's in close proximity at this point. Then we cut back to our good guys too narrow Ingraham or booth super pissed. And one to attack various pleading with them not to he's like, that's that's a mistake. He tells scenarios don't become what you struggle to defeat in the sort of same refrain. We keep hearing is you can't go burn out king's landing because that's something that your father would have done, and you don't wanna be like him, deniro's, whatever. Ruling the seven kingdoms is my destiny, I will serve my destiny. No matter the cost pretty dicey thing for someone to say and tearing various sort of share a look on that and -tarian convinces scenarios to at least give a chance to surrender and to let him take a chance to prevent slaughter into nearest agrees to that. After the scene various interior and have seen that I liked in general, very dangerous conversation. Uh-huh. I love. This is my favorite scene in the opposite. Yes. So the two of them really talk about it. And it's clear that they're they play it very well. It's clear that it's two men trying not to say the extremely dangerous thing that they're both actually talking about. Which is are we about to betray this person that we've supported for all these months or years? And you know, are we going to basically, you know, commit treason. And what does that mean? So Tyrian is team generis. He says John doesn't even want. The throne various is much more of a realist and seems to generally have he's a better understanding of what's going on at least by my read from the outside. He's like note she's too strong for him. She'd never learned to be on the throne Tyrians like Fatemi, they could balance one another out. But various just like, no, this is a mistake back into as a mistake. And he kind of reminds Tyrian of the thing he says about how he he's like of the realm. I don't serve any rulers I serve ordinary people, and they deserve to be ruled, well, which is a cool callback to various whole deal. And it's just nice to see various have more of a presence. I think in general. Yeah. They he also kind of implies that if they don't back to that. She'll need to die Tyrian is like, please. Please don't do this fair is just they kinda he ends unresolved says, look, we both have a difficult choice to make also good funny moment in the scene where various is in full fucking pundit mode, and like points out the deniro is like we'll be popular with the lords of the north because the John will be with earth because he's a man, and I have expected him to start talking about rustbelt Democrats. Hey, this is Chris Christie LIZA virus LIZA with CNN. Yeah. I love that scene. I love ARIS, viruses such character various was one of the few actors who has not been destroyed by the show, the only nation for Tyrian just continuing to be a moron is that. He's just madly in love with in areas, which I guess I would kind of by because his one weakness has always been just like his love, and there are other possible explanations than that. I think like he could be so fucked up from what he's been through that he's gone. He's cleaning to this one thing. Because he needs to believe in their their character reasons that he would be blinkered in the situation that go beyond just being in love with dinners. But I agree that it's it hasn't been well illustrated know, why he's doing this. Yeah. And it's just been a bummer, and what happens next of him is just the absolute cream of apt. The worst worst thing. Let's keep going the cream the cream of the worst thing. So we come back to winter fill the shitty. Crop Jamie over here is what happened with the fleet. He's sort of is sits and stares into the into the fire ethically. And then decides he's leaving brand comes out and tries to stop him. And he's like I'm going back to my sister. You think she says you're a good, man? He's like, I'm not a good, man. He confesses to pushing out the window. He's confesses strangling cousin though, I saw online I believe he did not strangle his cousin believe that he bludgeoned his cousin to death and strangled. Another guy. So he remembers it wrong. But hey, it was a complicated series of events. He says she's hateful. And so am I he doesn't even seem convinced by, but he leaves anyways and Brian sobs as he leaves? So this scene this this this scene has some problems. But it also like is sort of interesting somebody. So obviously, I think it's stupid that Brienne out of nowhere like crying over Jamie leading God. Solving cheese. So this is the only this could have worked, and I don't know about sobbing, but like her them leaving could've worked. They just had a little more time to establish them as a couple. This is really one that felt to me like they just needed more time it felt more like a rushing issue than anything else. But I I so I saw some reads people saying this is kind of like Jamie wants to go get back with, sir. And I didn't get that from Nelson. He's going to kill her. Yeah. He was like I haven't finished business. I have to resolve this, which totally makes sense. And is actually interesting that he's like, I can't actually sit this one out. I'm the one who has to finish which probably is that I actually like that. That's a logic him there. But Brienne fucking sobbing makes me so angry that they just like turned her from like one of the most bad ass characters on the show to this like weeping woman. Who's like, oh, no my man that I just like. Yeah. It just seems more like she would go with him or she would totally understand. And be like, yeah. I get it. You have unfinished business like. I know about snake. I'm a night. Like, you just that didn't that didn't work for me as a coach didn't make sense seems like they should have gone to do it together. But anyway, there we go and our final our final scene is a face off a parlay outside of king's landing between two narrow sort of expeditionary force. And sees walled up. Keep protecting force deniro has her small detachment of unsullied sees atop the wall with the mountain and masonic hybrid comes out to parley with Tyrian, the two hands of the various queens, come out to talk, they talk, and they each basically say, you know, demands is surrender and then the nearest demands surrender. And then Tyrian really appears to be trying. He's really just doing dude look come on like, we can keep thousands of people from dying right now, if we just figured something out and Khyber, and of course, is a psychopath and like not interested. So that they have a plan and part of their plan is like expecting to burn short. And and is. Psychopath is gonna is not going to budge. So tearing just walks right past him. And he plays his kind of car that he still has with which is that he knows she's always loved her children. And that if she surrenders she and her unborn child can live. You're actually notices this that Tyrian knows about the baby. Which of course, gives lied to to search telling him that it's his presumably anyways, and she seems kind of affected by what he says. But of course, this is all part of her plan. So she's not going to going to deviate. Now. She tells Masan days say your last words, they, you know, they talk for a second longer than misunder cries jerk Harris and the mountain cuts her head off as everyone gets really bummed out. Deniro's makes the extreme Kansas ever seen murder face at the end of this where the camera does lingers on her extreme murder face for ever. And it's really intense and the episode ends, so okay. So a lot of questions here. First of all Tyrian trying to appeal to. She's emotions again after failing so hard the last time. He did it is just hard to keep buying like Tyrian fucking hates his sister. Or should heed his sister. And should not be like, this is ridiculous at this point. And the fact that certainly didn't just kill him where he stood and kill all of them. Were. They said is also ridiculous. Like, why are they following parley rules here? Why does rules of more? Yeah. Why is certainly still honoring these partly rules like she had a chance just then with all these arrows and ballista pointed at Dinara than her army. And I think the dragon was in there too. Like, they could have taken them. All right, then and there and just ended things so that I don't really buy. I don't really buy it Tyrian would go through all these motions. I don't know why MS Sanday didn't just grab, sir. C and take her down with her like jump or something like that. I guess she was in chains. But still I was expecting a little more from her. I will say one thing that I'm happy that the show did is that I think everyone us included were expecting that either day or grain worm would die to the Zambia's in the last episode as a result of their conversation. The previous episode about going on vacations together. And I think it's actually a cool subversion that they didn't die in Zambia peseta. And instead, they waited and killed one of them in this way. Would you think? Yeah, I was really bummed out by misunders death. I've talked before I really liked grummin Musawi. I just thought they had a release sweet story there. I think the only two characters of color on the show Masan the only woman of color on the show they fucking other than salad or San who is MIA. So that's a I I saw a lot of fans sort of just upset about that. And a lot of people who really like miss Sunday, which I get like I really liked the Sunday to she's a cool character. And this was a pretty bummer way for her to go out in part because they killed her. And you know, they're using her as motivation. For deniro's. So it's like the shitty old trope of killing people in that way. Which okay game attorney does that a lot? But in this case, you know, it's it's like the one woman of color on the show. So I definitely that's kind of a note from me, and I get why people are not happy about that. But also, there's a character problem for me anyways. And that's my Sunday, shouting jerk. Harris, burn them. Yeah. So he's like saying should burn the city is read that like, that's that's what she's trying to say. It seems to me is them Sundays so played into, sir. Sees plan. We're Suming plan. Yeah. Advised deniro to burn the whole city, which is just not Masan days thing. Like, she. That's not she's always been the kind of tempering hand like the connection between us, and the people she understands that people in speech on that's one of the reasons I really like her as a character. So for her to say, no fuck all these people burn them. Like, okay. I get it like on the one hand, I get how she would feel that way especially coming to this foreign land where all these people basically, treat her like shit, and now they're going to murder her. Her that, she would say, okay. Well, fuck all these people in king's landing. I guess I get that. But it's so kind of not they didn't we didn't get to see why she feels that way. And it just felt like it was clearly because we need to go mad Queen and destroy a bunch of stuff. I guess so that we can do this this predetermined storyline. But that didn't work for me as a character note, it just stuck out because I guess as someone who likes him Sunday for her to die out of character was a bummer. Make sense. Makes sense is the writers not thinking about like what the coaches would do. But I try not to. I try not to constantly see the matrix. And like think about why they're doing it. All right. But they did it as a mean as like they want everyone on Twitter. It'd be like, oh, my God him Sanday saying cars, so bad ass like that. That's they just wanted to create this bad ass moment. That's why they did. And like, I get you that you don't wanna think about it this way. But that's that's where the show is right now. It's like all about things that the like writing towards these moments instead of writing organic storylines, and it sucks it's like the opposite. It's like basically turning it from game of thrones. As we knew it to every other generic fantasy trope where it's like, here's this cool moment. How are we going to get there? It sucked. Surely. I don't sad. Yeah. I guess I always find whenever I find myself guessing why they're doing things. I'm always like, I don't know why they did things. Maybe they did it for one hundred different reasons, or maybe they truly believe that. That's something that Masada would think which like I said there is a character motivation that you could walk through a path for her to. Up in a place of fuck all these people in king's landing. So they didn't show it, but they could have gotten there that way too. So I don't really know. And it's at least worth trying to figure out what the character motivations for some of these might be because there are sons sometimes sometimes you're just like hopelessly fan wanking. It an endless circle the try to get to somewhere where it makes sense. But a lot of times there are things that kind of could make sense. And sometimes I think that's interesting to do just on its own. Sometimes it's interesting because it gives leads leads me to wonder what they might do differently in the books, and they're giving more chances because whatever disappointing things might happen over these last three episodes are now to after this one I think it is really interesting that there's gonna be theoretically another version of this told by the original storyteller could be totally different. And that's like a fascinating thing to think about. So it's not just that. We're watching a story ended by the people who not by the person who started it by the people who may that TV show. We're also seeing a first draft for a story that we know is going to have or at least can assume is going to have a like. Oppor- and fully fleshed out ending from the original creator, which actually is kind of interesting. It's a maybe a more optimistic way to think about all of this. And there are these little notes in these little character things that happened that it could. Well, be okay. This character was going to go this route. And this thing was going to happen. The way that they did it was unsatisfying on the show. But if we assume that that's what's going to happen in the books. There's a chance that we're going to get a better version of the story, or at least we're going to see some of those scenes that we didn't see on the show, and I find that very interesting, and I like, hopefully, hopefully, he stays alive long enough to finish the bucks. I'm yeah. And really if you're listening to this, and you're fan of the show, and for whatever reason, you haven't checked out the books allow me to recommend really strongly that you read them because they're so good. And like, I've actually I got him on my phone a while ago, and as just travelling past couple days, and I was reading the first book and the amount of detail, and like just great writing and great moments and some of it is clunky. Don't get me wrong. And then there's some weird weird. Stuff where it's like denarius. Like, there's a chapter denarius has called Joe and ends on the line. It was her fourteenth name day. And it's just like, oh, I did I read that. But but there's so much good stuff in the books, and there's so much rich detail character moments in foreshadowing setups in book one that won't be paid off until book five and so much great stuff in there that I just highly recommended anyone who likes this show and hasn't read the books or whatever. When I do really want to hear from those book readers who aren't watching the show after got fast. We'll see if we hear from some. Yeah. Right. There's no way they missed out on like things like Johnston's parents and like Hoda or and like the the wall coming down like it's impossible to just dodge those spoilers. I think today. No, I'm not saying, they're unspoiled. I'm just saying if there's one thing that the internet has taught me about people it's that there's someone who does everything. And I guarantee that they're groups of people who are in solidarity together on forums. Yeah. Trying to block all possible spoilers. Not and not watch the show, and I love, and I want to know more about them. Yeah. All right. That is it for this episode. We'll be back next week for episode five more last, man. Yeah, we're gonna see what happens and. Yeah. Till Jason Dirk, Harris jet car.

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The Politics of Game of Thrones

Two Broads Talking Politics

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The Politics of Game of Thrones

"Hello. This is Kelly. I of her name smasher of the patriarchy mother of sons knitter of hats Kester of pods. You're listening to two brads talking politics. Tonight's episode is a little bit of a change from our normal. We're doing a fun. Look at the politics of game of thrones were devoting, this podcast is dark and full of spoilers. Listen. Hey, everyone. This is Kelly with two broads talking politics. I'm on with my co-host so fi. Hey, so fee Kelly, and we have some special guests with us tonight because we are going to do a little bit of a fun episode. So joining us tonight, our Jennifer and Jeff from the pot of thrones and kid free weekend. And you guys have a new podcast you're starting to. So. Hi, Jennifer, Jeff. Hey, the thinks much for joining us. So we are going to be talking tonight about the politics of game of thrones. So a little bit of a fun episode for us usually were a little bit more serious about politics. But this is going to be a lot of fun. We're big game of thrones fans and with the new final season coming up we thought this would be just a a funding to talk about two things to note at the beginning. There will be spoilers. If you have not watched all the way through seasons oven in you don't wanna be spoiled than turn this off right now and also star watching. Oh my gosh. How exciting take the rest of the week off of work and just watch it nonstop. And also, we're not going to be this isn't an exhaustive. Look at the politics of game of thrones. You know, it's one episode. There's a whole lot of people who've written a whole lot of stuff about the politics of game of thrones. And I'll put some links up on our website. So if you're super interested in reading up more, you can definitely go do. So so let's let's get into the discussion. I think what I would kinda like to start with talking about is just kinda. Whoa. What do we think the the political structure or actually multiple structures? Look like, so just sort of a general overview of you know, what is this kind of look like, and I guess the question to go with that is are they consistent. You know is the political structure that setup. Does it stay stay the same throughout are there things that you think actually don't make any sense at all it gets down to it. So. This is just a sort of free flow discussion. So anyone who wants to jump in and talk about or, you know, don't answer my question at all. And to start talking. Trouncing to be pretty consistent. Marquis. But whereabout upside west rose, not really sure how in classified those regimes of or like. A more talented every way, they oppress since right have very strict casts. What's roses as I'd rather leave a west coast? Now. I mean, if you're not Royal you're living in the row was called the the rat sleep on them. You know, you have to either me part of the horrible monarchy there or live and flea bottom. There is the iron island though, and they seem to have. I mean, that's not like a fun place to live either. But they do seem to have like some sort of pro democracy going on. They don't just pick as their ruler the person who was related to the last ruler. They have what's called the king's mood where representatives of all of the big families come together. And they like choose the person who's going to lead them, which doesn't end up. Well, in in the course of gave thrones the ruler that they end up choosing in the end is not great, but they sort of have more of a democratic structure than the rest of west coast. They still there. So are of the seven kingdoms down. Now that you're talking about that is is very strange structure. It's not like it's not the Lord of the islands declares himself. King of the iron islands. We have prince door to door there. There are these other structures still are technically under the iron throne, but they have their own Royal or I guess to the roundabout way that's interested in Ramadi. Well, we know how to Mars ios. Sometimes a crazy person wins out. Right crowd. Right. Yeah. He's going to start saying burn them. All soon. Yeah. So I mean, the the thing I think that that's interesting to tease out then is if was stroz, you know, is this mostly monarch driven society. And it's very patriarchal. But you know, we get to the end of season seven, and it's like the women are all in charge. And it doesn't seem to be it seems to be maybe falling apart. Like, maybe that is sort of the story. One of the stories of game of thrones. Is this system that they have built up his come to sort of breaking point am I making that up does that make some sort of sense? Well, I'm wondering how much of that is in the book is it is at the same because I didn't read we're way. My God have a I'm mad. I was gonna say would they have made it such turn the tides completely and have all women power. If we weren't in this environment political environment that we are right now with with the story be the same. After four her right? No. 'cause deniro's if you go to the books narrow was still up incoming as taken over read the insurgency, which itself has many seeming parallels even written years ago, but she was alone in power. The books left off was seeing power. Ilya. Oh, yeah. Think. So oh, I thought you say solve your expert. I'm not a book expert, but I have read them all we're not there yet with the books. I don't think in terms of certainty water. Shame. Iak or in trauman is still around she's on how so the as the books diverge against from George, but we definitely don't have Sansa running or we don't have surgery running south, but we do have to narrowness as b. People breaker chains mother douggins. Well, and so that that makes generis interesting. So there's a one of the pieces I'm gonna linked to on our website is this article from FOX, which is this crazy lung, you know, as vox does, but it talks about all of the characters and their strategies based on political science at so everybody's are from season seven and it talks about two narrows as being fairly progressive. Right. She wants to sort of break the wheel of power and she wants to free slaves, but she's like marching into places forcibly Frings lives, right Amine. You know, there's a certain I'm not sure the world powers in our world would go along with that. And you know, really, she's she's got some problems in season seven. So it's not like everyone is just of going along with her either. But you know, she is she is kind of progressive kinda except she wants to go and sees the iron throne too. So I, you know, progressive in an old school kind of. Treats or dreamers and being benevolent dictator. Share fuel teacher heard her until take care of them. She raised down fire deaf on the is. That's her instinct, right? Everyone's visor not rate. Fire Desta, that's got says Reagan's buildings be take charge the NAFTA that she wants everybody to be prosperous and share the wealth than have be happy. No, more slavery, right? Women like all these you would wanna see happen to west rose of first everyone has to grieve that she's refer life. So if you can have Hillary Clinton as president but had to be dictator for life. Would you go along with it? I don't think I guess to that. Is it sounds like a track? But we'd get rid of Trump. Discussions people have Trump the. Wanted to cater to have one. I wanted to be. It's just a scary road to go down. But since this has been for thousands of thousands of years mar USA rules on has prosperous. She still progressive, she's progressing. She she wants to make things better. But she's not changing system. She's just changing a bunch or will desire. She's like what twenty now? Ocean might still be like eighteen nineteen hundred. Yeah. In the book, she's thirteen at the beginning. I think right. That's for sure. But she's still Darya. That's why she wants to burn things because she doesn't have a control of IOT and sleep with her nephew. Who among us has not wanted to just burn it all down recently, right? Yeah. I'm surprised it hasn't happened. Is why it's the streets out. Yeah. We're not advocating that people. Go burn things. Not what we want excess. You should topple power structures. But not literally topple things. Right. Well to nearby the literally wants to the wheel she she has no qualms as we season. But came to like, Charlie, right? She has no qualms about just taking down the people that are currently power if they're gonna be Dick's. That's in the wheel it way. We're not doing that here by yet. But that's what I mean. You know, I mean, it's going to take the people. That's how we ever get any change in our government is if the people rise up and say that's enough were done with you. We start. We we started going down that road and play. Just after finish the job. So in an interview with George are Martin, I can't not call him Gir. He says that the parallel he sees in modern times is heaving that Trump is Joffrey. Do we think Trump is Joffrey? No, Trump is you're on. Yes. If you watch the kings moot that whole thing was literally like that was the twenty sixteen election was like you had this very competent woman who's the clear choice who's like Hello. I will be your leader and do all of these like, really sensible things. And then this random dude who is just like openly. Yeah. Sure. I killed the previous king comes in the are Nyland's great again. And you know, and then everybody's like, oh, yeah. Well, he's a dude listen to him and then they make him king. And he's just like this vainglorious insane person. You're on is one thousand percent Donald Trump. I think he has your on's. Bravada? Yes. But Joffrey temper. Hours. Ultimately, sure, I will say things like, I totally. Back to this. Shoes. How can you not know that that shit the man as probably the soft as has in America? He has never done anything in his life that was visible except golf which early sucks. He's in charge anywhere with a gun. Joffrey is offer will gladly apps one if they're helpless at any faction. But if it comes down to it he was assigned scout every time, he Mandalay. So I think it's a mix is I I do think the you're on comparison. It's. The right. A based on politics, even though I know a lot of the stuff was our that. It's it is kind of crazy. I think it's just a cycle of history right lane. George is policed from old European history. Whether it's the wall in Wild Wings or. Away. Some of these houses are interacting with each other. But it's all coming out again. That's another real break. Yeah. You're on. Hillary. If Hillary is secretly as I would love to know the would vote for her. She also secretly lesbian. But. Hillary. So if Joffrey is Trump if Trump had a sword. But would he name it? Widows. Well, which is like the worst. Here. But I think it's probably true even call it Trump sword. No. That is a good answer. He'd call a big. Well, so here is what Georgia Martin says about his Trump reminded me, most of Joffrey they hadn't they have the same level of emotional maturity and Joffrey likes to remind everyone that he's king and thinks that gives him the ability to do anything. So Maureen Dowd had asked him that question and Maureen Dowd asked him, I wonder how game of thrones provides insights into the mindsets and strategies of modern day geopolitics and Martin says I'll pass on that one. Well, it sure provides I always thought you can learn a lot for movies TV shows. I think it shaped a lot of my rally growing up do much TV straight lessons to her. I mean, Belyaev Ling's are perfect analog Trump's laugh or right all wants to talk about is how Brown people are. And the Wild Wings are them. It turns out they're humans, and they wanna live. They wanna make babies and they want to get through this shit. And they're fleeing violence in their for embassy, south of the wall aid. It's I can't watch the Wild Wings go through where they've been through and think. Yeah. Well, that's just. Those guys are just human. So we should probably rooting for her. But in the real world is an invasion, and we're all draw. I can't do it. I I don't know. Why more people aren't getting that? Because I think game of thrones crosses. In case anyone has stumbled upon this podcast, just because they were looking for game of thrones. And you're a Republican you probably just wanna turn it off. Realized at this point that since not the podcast for you. They might want to get a little bit of reality. Or keep listening and listen to all of our heads and realize how important progressive politics is. So speaking of progressive, politics, the other sort of major overarching theme that people have talked about in the George are Martin has said, yes, that makes a lot of sense is that this is all an allegory about climate change. And that, you know, everyone else's sort of stuck fighting the battles amongst themselves, and John snow is like somebody in one of these articles calls him, the Al Gore of west coast. He's running around going. No, we have to think about climate change. We have to think about this big threat that is looming interiors Comey winter is coming and unless we all band together pool or forces were not going to be able to defeat this huge thing. That's coming. I mean, are there lessons to be learned from the do we agree with that? Addressing thinking about right now. This isn't George said as people he hasn't said that like that's what why he wrote it. I mean, he started these books million years ago, right? And like nobody was talking about climate change. But he has said that he does think there are parallels there, and the, you know, it make sense. And it's a good way to think about it. So I don't think that's why he wrote it that way at least not at the beginning. But but he likes the idea. Made the night came allusion. Are trump? While Trump is from his Joffrey, which would be. Charts? Now. God help us all of on Kaz in charge. Interesting. A even as we close out season seven everyone's trying to decide if they're going to fight each other or finally come together at our winter. I soon if they Hillen I king winter away, right or or or will go away soon. But if they don't kill the night came on winter forever. Probably. I mean as opposed to our situation where it will be summer forever. Yes. North at ours. Everything's. Yeah. I mean, I do think, you know, there's a common theme. This isn't Sifi. Of course, this is fantasy. I think it's just a big political story that happens to have some dragons and magic in it. But, but you know, there's a lot of people inside a fi who have focused on this idea that you know, everyone sort of has to come together to face larger challenges. I mean, that's basically what Star Trek is all about right like humanity. Go and explore other planets until it comes together all of earth, you know, comes together into sort of one political structure. So, you know, I think that that it's it's a common refrain in these sorts of allegorical stories, and I think it makes sense whether or not it's climate change that there's something that we could take away from those them instead of fighting amongst ourselves Democrats versus Republicans and countries versus each other. Like, there are bigger things that we could tackle. Now, whether game of thrones will defeat the night king or not, I don't know. Paris courts. How are those? Sure going offer. If Trump is Joffrey does that mean, someone has to assassinate him? Again. I'm not advocating that. I mean, they just fired the head of the secret service. So I'm not sure who it's going to prevent it. But he's already married so so no purple wedding. Yeah. Wedding saved to be the best way to get rid of people in west rose. So. From the secret service members name. Allows. So he would be Javy Landes. What was insert? Right. And then he just kinda got keeped around or what did he married tramps? Are you started the situation as we need an aria? You're right. She choose my favorite Rb. Why are twenty twenty contenders? If we had an aria she into any contender to bed. Maisy Williams isn't American. She may not be old enough either. Mazey comes to America, we need you. We don't have an aria yet. But we do ask women Ryan twenty years open. I think any of them would intimidate the hell out of our offer. He doesn't know what to do with our. That's true. Just like Tomen. Oh. Him. So gobel. That trump. He's evil to maybe baron B bear. Trump. All right. So let's wrap this up with the question of who do you think is going to win this is really politics anymore. But you know, you can't have a game of. Either both Trump together in a nice parallel. If you can no I came of thrones. But I'd love to hear your twenty twenty predictions too. I don't know anymore. It's either going to be like Santa and Gandhari or together. Only Arias gonna marry country. They could be. Country could've married beers ago. But she's changed a lot. I love to see them get together. But she's changed a lot you probably wouldn't want to be with murderous. Well, as she had romance arty. Ever does she ever? Yeah. I mean a little bit. She's still young. But she kinda took a shine January to us fifty. So Santa is still thing. I've said this on our show on throats couple times. But I think are on the thrown at some. Should we wear someone else's fix? She could be wearing based researchers faces or bowling every implants, she'll be on the iron throne to throw things for if she was wearing saints. A great way to get kids landed in the last divorces to start doing the right thing. She hates Hersi. So I could see it be right? That's a good plan. But they don't make good Starks. Don't make good plans. They made at the end of seasons that they've made a lot of stupid so baby nounce the chance to help him. But I doubt it. Well, I know who Sophie once. I okay. So I am team, sir. C Purdy of one loves her Hersi. And I wish that she would win. But I don't think she will. So I'm kind of boring. I think that because I know that game of thrones is based on the war of the roses the English of war of the roses. I think it's going to end up being a deniro's John's. No, I think to Narus is supposed to be the Henry Tudor of this world. And so she's gonna marry the Elizabeth of York, which is John's, no. And they're going to have a child, and that's going to be Henry the eighth. True basis on history. Just seems to have an answer. Go for is the director of the together is two hours. But wouldn't that make it a surprise because nobody would expect it 'cause it's the easy thing reverse reverse? Will then just so I can have a different answer that no one has had yet. I'm gonna go with tear. Ian. That would be awesome. He'd be great outing Zink questions about that. I'm not sure if he would want it would he take willingly take a lot simply because died. I mean, he would take it more willingly than John snow would. Johnson's gonna change taste about that. Sweet sweet anti. I was gonna totally alter world seasons. How's that? Also now, I mean he spent one night they can break it off. I don't know. I dunno. We didn't want to be king in the north either. But he did that. So, you know, he's pretty good at like, sucking it up and taking power reluctantly. You could certainly are industy a whole resurrection thing not with his aunt was this ler. Well, so in in defensive Tyrian, I just watched the battle of blackwater episode, and he has this like rousing speech and he realizes like, oh, wait, I can lead people. So you know, I I can see him doing it. I think he would be great as a. Especially now that he seems to be a little more sober. I think he'd be fantastic as ruler. But again, maybe it's too obvious that he has such a tragic aura about him. I just don't have great feelings about fate. You know, who were totally overlooking salmon Gilly stole ADM seven. Has to win has to come out of this alive because he has to write the song of ice and fire. We all know that. So he writes it as he kill your less. People left on. On the ion throw birth. So. It would be so cool. He's he's comic relief. So got says probably not. But we do love Samuel. Well. I if I mean, this is why CIN Benny off writing it, or you know, sort of directing it. I think if George are Martin was writing it, maybe Sam would be the ultimate winner. Because I mean, that's him. Right. His job is probably just two documents wears as probably the most likely sneer. All right. So I think we've covered all of the politics of game of thrones. In one need slightly over half hour episode. If you would like to know much much more about politics, you can keep listening to to Bradstock in politics, or the brand new podcast that you guys are working on. So tell us about it. It's not exactly branding podcast in itself is not of this point. But we have to shows the kid free weekend every weekend is just it started. As just we have these weekends where kids are gone single parents that found each other and our kids are around on we get. So that's about everyone talk about we have gotten a politics once in a while. And now we decided to start making that a focus for now. Because gotta do something anything. We can do. Let's do it so ridiculous to the resistance movement. We've been finding all these people on Twitter adverse starring talk to them. So we had our first one of these conversations. Interview just a wonderful conversation with someone the other week. And we've got more in comes. All right. Excellent. And anybody who needs a little bit of a refresher on game of thrones before the new season very short seasons comes out on Sunday. You guys have some seasonal recap episodes to. Yes, we do. We just finished recording all season seven in thirty minutes. So you can find recaps for season seven there. And then in the past we actually did a couple of different explain are different things that we've done. Jar actually, thirty minutes. Troves now of the recaps themselves season one percent in thirty minutes apiece finals in our podcast feed council on YouTube than we've been recounting whole seasons seasons. Fires when we started the podcast. We did as Elias recaps or five six seven eight. We tried to get him out that night when you wake up Monday morning. You will have our instant reaction to. The credits. Roll we pause it record on our phones. And we just go to all right, everyone can check those out as well. So fee, and I will not be recapping every game of thrones up as sewed on podcast form. But if you know us in real life. I'm sure we will be. Yeah. And if you watch our Twitter or Facebook as see some of that in there as well. 'cause we won't be able to not do it. All right. Well, thank you very much. Jennifer Jeff for joining us. This was a lot of fun and. I hope will stay in touch about your new ventures, and we'll have to talk some more about politics game of thrones. Maybe we'll do another episode at the end of season eight and see what did we learn who is right? Rob record here. Now. I said like four different people. But. I think that one of the main characters will end up winning. Gosh, you're always suits will be to recast and will also try to have out. 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PCC Multiverse Episode 125 - Game of Thrones Future with Josh Brennan of the Changing Perspectives Podcast

Pop Culture Cosmos

56:58 min | 2 years ago

PCC Multiverse Episode 125 - Game of Thrones Future with Josh Brennan of the Changing Perspectives Podcast

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Just use the code vita brace five zero or buying the number one get and the number one today to get some great deals on some vibrates gaming risk bands. So check it out today at miracle fruit oil dot com. Vita phrase win with it. And we're back with the show, Gerald coming right back at here will game of thrones is still a major part of the pop culture, discussion even after so many weeks now after the final episode that just aired on HBO so many people are still talking about it. So many people are still trying to recover from it. And so many people are still dealing with the loss of their favorite show, that they can't it on for so many years now and we're going to talk about all these things, plus some of the ideas that could be emplaced when it comes to the future four game of thrones some ideas for spin offs and, and what have you and here today, detach me about what he feels should go on as far as the game of thrones universe is a good man. Indeed. He is one of the hosts along with his wife of the changing perspectives podcasts, you gotta catch it today on apple podcasts, and so many other. Different podcast outlets. It is a good man. Indeed. Like I said ready to talk some game of thrones. It is Josh Brennan. Josh, thanks for coming back and talking some game of thrones. Oh, it is. Absolutely. My pleasure. I love what you're doing Gerald. I love being on pop culture, cosmos listened to your episode right after the finale aired. And I was there with you guys hurting like the rest of the world, most of most of the world, you know. You know to be fair. I think there are a handful of people out there that are okay with the finale, I don't know any of those people. But I think there are a few that are okay with it. So it's I'm happy to be Gerald. Thank you. Thank you so much. Yeah, I have heard a little bit of positive feedback from it, actually, my wife was one of those that actually commended the writers and directors and producers responsible for the game of thrones. She said, hey, if that's the way they wanted to go out on their series, so be it. She didn't mind it all I know a few others on social media that I connect with also said the same thing. But to predominant amount of people were kind of disappointed at what I feel was a flat ending for the, the house of the Starks that they built as far as the devotion to the Starks. And at the very end of the game of thrones how everybody else got kind of pushed aside. But you know what? That's okay. I know the story always. Seem to sit around the Starks in there so important to what game of thrones is all about. I want to hear your thoughts on how this season for you on folded, and how it ended up and what your thoughts did leave a bad taste or did leave it? Okay. Taste in your mouth or something that you'll always remember in a favorable fashion. Right. So if people aren't too familiar, our specialty on changing perspectives is grief and loss. And we try to incorporate as much pop culture and television and movies discussion in that discussion about grief and loss on our podcast. And what comes to mind for me with game of thrones? Is that attachment element? Right. So to, to have grief to be stat about a loss, you have to have a patch -ment, and we all went through this eight year journey. Right. Two thousand eleven I think season one that opened up there. And there are significant feelings of grief and loss that really makes it all the more discipline. Finding if you're not happy with the way it ended. Now, I'm not gonna let the past few facades of this. There are some bright point in the season, I do have to admit an all in all the production design and the camera work in the acting and the ficials were all just amazing all throughout all all the all the seasons of game of thrones. But overall you know, I don't wanna let it ruin how I feel in general about the show. Right. I made a significant investment as a fan, not happy with the way it ended up, but all in all I, I've got to come away going, I still love game of thrones. And I still love the lore and the character development and how much I was attached to these characters. Right. And were there any for favorite moments episodes or points in time during the course of the run of the game of thrones that you feel really just stands out as something you'll always treasure and remember, so for me? I have a special place in my heart for as a fan for the connection of human characters and animal characters, and there's something about the, the, the game of thrones lore with the singles and the animals of the houses that really speak to me as a fan. I love it the whole connection between the dire wolves and the Starks and the dragons, and the target Sean's people love, animals. Right. I think that a lot of us really fell in love with all those wolves. And we met them think about we met them, all as babies right? We met the three met the wolves as puppies. We met the dragon's eggs and L hatch and they were these cute little lizards with wings crawling around, Danny. It's such powerful connection, you know, brands life initially was saved by his wolf summer and season, one when the specimen tried to take him out, and then you couple the powerful connection of human and animal throughout the game of thrones universe. And then we have to deal with the loss of these animals, which just hit you right in the fields over and over again, you know, when Santa loses her wolf lady in season one, and then of aria Nigeria went missing. And then, of course, great wind is one of the can't forget gray wind. Rob's dire wolf was one of the losses at the red wedding. Right. But, you know, that that's what really speaks to me about why I love the show so much. I think and there were some great moments indeed. I still love the fact with Arias revenge on the house that actually was part of the destruction of the red wedding. And the fact that she personally love poisoned, what over fifty members of that house and to see the revenge that she had as far as showing the exactly who it was that would that exact their revenge upon them was just amazing to be seen. I thought it was rape. Period in television and. Very compelling as far as the game of is concerned all these compelling points, and time and all these important, and all these just truly emotional times, when it comes to the roller coaster that vans were taking over the course of all these seasons with game of thrones. It led to a love and affection that so many people have an, obviously, so many people were tuned into that final season because of it. Your thoughts on what people need to do to cope because now there's that big void in their life. I know some people are trying to connect with new shows some people just spouting off on social media, and people are trying to rewatch the show. What kind of advice, do you have for people that say you know what? I'm really just hurting right now because of the loss of a life of new episodes of the game of thrones. Everyone is clamoring for more game of thrones. Right. They won more west coast. They want more targe areas and Starks. And they wanna hear they wanna hear you know, nothing Jon snow. They wanna they wanna. I m selves all in back into that world. And the thing is again. We come back to that attachment Ingraham loss, they want more. They want remember the thing they love so much. I want more. I personally started listening to the audiobooks now. I never read the books for now in an effort to deal with my loss of the show. I started the audio books right back on book one. And I love it. It's, it's, it's replacing that void for me for game of thrones as a fan, I will say, though, Gerald, it's making what happened in the last episode a little harder to swallow because of how money I'm going to great things are in book, one being reminded of all these amazing story arcs these character development pieces. I know that people are excited about the prequels. I think the HBO's got some prequels in the works in HBO just last week released the documentary, it's like an hour long documentary about the making of the final season that looks pretty cool. Well. One of these days, Georgia Martin has proclaimed that he will finish the books. I mean that's a proclamation from him whether or not it comes to fruition, we'll have to actually see you spoke of the spin offs. And I know we'll touch on that here in a minute, because I know you've probably got some great ideas on where the show could go from here. The writers for the game of thrones are actually moving onto an ex into into the Star Wars universe, and they're responsible for the next Star Wars that you will see coming up in three years. I believe if memory serves correct. After of course, what comes up nine I wanna ask you, this, are you more excited about a new trilogy at the Star Wars wrong. That's outside of the Star Wars Skywalker saga, which is going to end in episode nine because the fact that the game of thrones riders will be behind it. It's to me, it seems like there's going to be a lot more, you know, intrigue political. Savvy and a lot more emotion that could take place because of their experience working with the game of thrones. You know what Gerald, I think? That's a that's a big question. I'm not entirely sure. You know, I have such a strong connection in love and attack. Is that a word again attachment to the Star Wars Skywalker epic? Right. I grew up that was a little kid when, when I started coming out in that such a strong part of my childhood. Now, you know, thinking about the double DS having anything to do with extending the Skywalker, story makes me little stressed out to be honest. So, but I love their creative the creative guys. And they put up a lot of great stuff, so them focusing on a different part of the Star Wars universe. I have a little more faith in that they'll, they're gonna put out something that's gonna be interesting. I agree with you. I think there is going to be something that a lot of people will enjoy. Hopefully it will go down a. Different path than what was presented in the well, last nine episodes, because I think it's time for change the time for Star Wars to evolve. We're seeing already with the development of the Mandal orien- with John Fabbro heading up that ship for Disney. Plus, plus we're also was well, just a good change from what we saw before, because the last time really someone went out to go ahead and do this. And actually go ahead and make a new trilogy beyond what the Abrahams trilogy was that started to the three anyways to also including Rian Johnson was George Lucas going ahead and re igniting the fans Seidman as I remember. But unfortunately, it just happened in a different direction with disappointment of what too many anyways of the prequel, so I am hoping for a different path for the Star Wars universe after episode nine I'm curious to see where they wanna take it from here with all new characters all new. Environment who knows if it's going to take place in the same timeframe or some other part of the timeframe involved with the Star Wars universe. But I'm curious now that, you know, the writers for the game of thrones have had such rate experiences over the many years, creating all these awesome stories and narratives from the game of thrones series. And now are going to be able to take that experience bundled up and go ahead and be able to spread it out onto a new Star Wars universe coming up in three years. Yeah I'm excited. I mean I love Star Wars. In fact, changing perspectives were going to be planning, another pub culture death in movie death in pub culture episode going to focus on the star was universe, or excited about that. We're trying to pull that together. We're big fans Star Wars in this family. So yeah, I'm I'm excited. I'm excited about episode nine out about Jj Abrams come back into the trilogy. And I'm excited about what the double DS will will put out. I'm gonna be optimistic cautiously optimistic. Right. And I know you. A lot of other people as well. We'll be cautiously optimistic as far as the future for the Star Wars universe. You know now that they're in charge of their own trilogy. Rian Johnson also has been given the task to go ahead and create his own trilogy as well. So after wait and see what comes up from Disney, and all those factors coming in as far as Lucasfilm, and what they're going to create for the Star Wars universe. But you said you were talking about what the changing perspectives are going to be doing. And in fact, I'm talking to Josh Brennan. From the changing perspectives podcast. You gotta check out his awesome podcast, along with his wife and guest appearances by their kids on the changing perspective podcast. That's available on apple podcast, Itcher YouTube, and so many other different podcast outlets. One of the things I want to ask, because you also talked about the death in marvel on a previous episode which I know affected a lot of people. Now, I think that we can go ahead into spoiler Tara. Tori, when it comes to vendors and game. And, you know there were not only one but two big deaths when it comes to black widow. And also iron man it same thing with game of thrones. As with these two I Kana characters that have been a part of the last what over in, in Robert Downey junior ks over decades worth of marvel films. How do people go ahead and cope? I know on the screen as far as the upcoming Spiderman far from home. We know Peter Parker's not handling it. Well, but as far as people out there, especially marvel fans where do we go from here as far as trying to go ahead? And connect once again, with the marvel Simak universe. You know that's a good question. I think that the guys over at the and Kevin fi anything day. Unlike I think any other creative entity producing entity out there day really understand fans. Right. So I think that we have to just trust that. They've got our best in mind for. For what we want is fans. He's said that the is not over. It's continuing we've got lots of great stuff coming out on Disney, plus my kids are super excited about what's coming out there with the Wanda vision and the black widow movie and the Hawkeye series. There's so much to do. And then, of course, we keep hearing great things about guardians three. And the fact that there's a good chance. When a see Chris Hemsworth on, on the on the ship with, with all those characters as Thor. So I think we have to just sort of lean into the fact that it's not over, and you can just sort of get excited about what's coming and then look for look for Disney. Plus, I think that's going to help us you've got Spider-Man far from home. The latest trailer is really cool with, which Jilin hall. There was just an extended trailer came out a couple of weeks ago that looks really great. And then, of course, you've got the, the Disney plus stuff on the way and I have to shout out. I'm a big fan of Asians of shield Geraldine. Watch at all. I do periodically. I know Colson is back, but he's not Colson is obviously a different type of entity that's not familiar with Colson, but because of the assay, adopt ganger type deal as far as it's concerned, it's creating havoc amongst the agents of shield at this point in time. Yes. Which is very interesting. Can't wait to see how that plays out. But again, as fans of the, which it's come up multiple times that Asians of shield, isn't the you see every now and then a character crossover, Nick fury made it appearance a couple years ago. So it's in the you've got that going on right now. Kevin foggy and all those guys, I don't think are gonna let us down the got us together. They've got us go in here that they do that. They do indeed. Once again, I've talked to Josh Brennan, from the changing perspectives podcast. You gotta check out his and his wife's awesome podcast today on Stitcher. Apple podcasts YouTube, and so many vary. This podcast outlets. You wanna go ahead and get an idea of not just how to cope, but also like like Josh was saying there's a lot of good pop culture topics that they talk about. But the discussions really go in depth. And if you want something that's very compelling to listen to check out today after our show, of course that's changing perspectives podcast now available on all major podcasts. Outlets. Will Josh I want to ask you again, about game of thrones and getting back at circling back in the game of thrones? You know the series is now over. I know a lot of people are still coming to grips with that. But there's talk of spin offs that are on the way from the game of thrones. I mean, that's something that a lot of people are aware of most of them that have been taught about or rumored about have been the prequel variety. I'm going to start off with my favorite character. And I mentioned her already aria at the very end of game Soanes spoiler. She is heading off the west of west roast because back. Earlier in the series. She asked what's is west of west rose which almost sounds like a tongue twister, there in that is an and was told that nobody knows charted. So I would love to see a spin off featuring her and heard ventures going on into the west west roasts and the uncharted territory and all that. But before we go into some of the perspective type of spin offs that are out there. What were your thoughts be on something of, you know, with area in far as going into her own adventures, or which you just wanna go ahead and stay with something with follow John snow or Sanga or something else that we order from anywhere within the game of thrones universe? While I am a huge fan of, again the, the target area in lore with the dragons in how they was this point of history in west rose, where dragons ruled right and the target areas. You know they. Ruled everywhere in an I I've done a little bit of reading into Georgia are Martin's thoughts and his writings about that time in west rose history. And I'm hoping that the prequels center around that I think that that's I think that's almost confirmed. That's where the prequels are going to send around which makes me you're super excited. This far has been go, you know, not exactly crazy about where John snow ended up. However, some of the, the happiest we ever saw John snow in, in the show was when he was beyond the wall with the wide Ling's hanging out in the snow and the ice, the met his show significant other who actually became his wife and I think that a spin off showing him and torment and, and becoming sort of the king beyond the wall. I think that would have been something interesting to see despite the fact I wasn't happy about where he ultimately ended up. I think that, that would be an interesting show. Spinoff, Jon snow king beyond the wall. Right go. You've already named it already better copyright that before. HBO kitson. TM. Exactly. Exactly. So that is a great idea for a spinoff. I'd I know a lot of people would obviously check that out. But the actor who plays John snow? He's got he's been going through some, some tough times, as far as he had to go ahead and check himself into a rehab because he was, so, I guess, disturbed or overwhelmed by all the emotion and the response to the final episodes of the game of thrones kit Harrington was so after wait and see what the future lies for him as far as for anything relating to game thrones. The obviously we see with a census character and her future, with that series is extremely doubt because it looks and by all appearances that this will be the final FOX related x-men type movie in that series. And went Disney is going to finally go ahead and RIA, dress, the X. Men. They're going to go ahead and just go into a completely different direction or integrate them, somehow into the MC you instead of what they're doing with their own next men movies. So we'll have to wait to see what goes on there. So probably have another edition or another person playing the character of Jean grey at some point in time. So she could be available for something going on in the future. If they decide to go ahead and spin off, her character REO like I mentioned would be something that I know a lot of people would like to follow us, well, but when it comes to these spin offs, I know some of the spin offs have been talked about, as far as being primarily based in a prequel typesetting, which I'm not exactly. I don't know. I'm not exactly thrilled with it. It sounds somewhat intriguing. I want you to help sell it to me, as far as where can they go as far as schools are concerned? I mean, they're not going to go ahead and get Ned stark back because unless you're gonna pay him top dollar, when it comes to Sean bean, you know, I don't think he's coming back to the show series or prequel anytime, soon, unless it's for a guest appearance, but as far as prequels concern, where would you go, what would you delve into? And where do you think would end eventually because if it does, if deal with the prequel eventually, it will have to finish, maybe even sooner than the actual length series of the game of thrones? Now, we can't forget, I'm describing the surface as far as the books go. But we can't forget, there's thousands and thousands of years of west rose history before the characters that we know love. Right. And so I think that, that's really what we're going to be focused. On. There was a time of dragons. It was a time of kings, where there were seven actual kingdoms. Right. And so we say the seven kingdoms are now the six kingdoms brand the broken. But you know, we've got a time in the history where there were actual seven kingdoms with seven kings. And there were, there were battles and wars and multiple thrones. Not just one. And again, this was the time of dragons end dire wolves. Right. So I think it's an exciting thing to think about you have to sort of go go with me here. Go with Georgia Martin. There are a couple of prequel books. I think he put out. I'm not entirely sure wish I could speak to those, but you can do little Google search in with computer search to find information about those, but I think we had sort of just have to go with that, you know, leaning into the fact that it's not gonna be the characters that we know love, maybe there's going to be similar names. We'll have the house of target area and maybe the house of Lancaster. But a lot of what some of the. Those folks actually bronze character, the cell sword there who Tyrian Jamie have a great relationship with he talks about how, you know, the house of Lancaster is not named Lancaster. It's called Casserly rock. So there used to be a group of folks called the Castro. So what was the history there when did the Lancasters come in, in defeat the castellinis to take over that area? So there's a whole epic back story of west rose, I think, is going to be really interesting to delve into it will be very interesting, if that's the case you're selling me on it, more and more. I like I said, I I'm still kind of a little bit of apprehension on, if it goes into the past because again, it would have to be a finite amount of time that you give it unless you make way before the events of game of thrones, and that would be something that would have to play out over the course of maybe three four five season run there. But it is still should. Provide a lot of interest, if that's the case, and they do come to fruition far spin offs for the game of thrones. And I'll just say this, if the game of thrones continues, its type of narrative thinking that it did for most of the series and follow the same or pretty much as close to the same type steps that it took over the course of many it's season run. I don't wanna say the ending because that seemed to alienate, a lot of people. So maybe wanna go ahead change things up in that direction. But the, the main body were were seemed to capture the hearts of so many, the popularity just grew and grew and grew. I think that, that's where you wanna go and focus if you're doing spinoffs whether it's before or after the events of the game of thrones you wanna focus on what went right during that period of time. And how that tension and emotion was built over the course of those middle seasons in the game of thrones. Do you. Concur, was it more are. Are you more of an individual that says, you know season six and seven was the best? Or or early on. It was the most compelling part of the game of thrones. You know what I am right now a little bit torn? I think that because I'm I'm going back and reading the books or listening to the audio books. I really think that seasons one through four were just some of the best television, you know, ever of all time, there was a lot of episodes and moments that I liked in the later seasons for sure. But right now, when it comes to mind is the death of Lord Bayless, right? When Sanga in aria, gut sort of revenge in there was like a twist and they killed punish Lord balanced, which leads me to what I wanted. I wanted to make a point row quick in this sort of does tie in about when it comes to deaths in the game of thrones universe. Not only do we lose a lot of beloved characters. But also gamma through a you had mentioned this earlier when he talked about aria. We see more than any other show, I think satisfying deaths, right? We give ourselves permission as fans to go. I really want this person today. I really want this character die. And some of those examples are Walder, fray Joffrey Ramsay Bolton the battle the bastards, and of course, the word Baylor's and Lord Baylor was in the later seasons. So that's, that's one of those bright spots in the later seasons. When they got revenge on Peter Baylor that I think was was really special to me. But I think special place in my heart for the first four seasons, and it does tie into my current love of the book that I'm reading. So all that's also. That's also deeded. If anybody is going through withdrawals on the game of thrones serious, just like Josh here, you might wanna go ahead and check out the, you know, the great series of books that it is based on and go ahead and delve into it. Did you like that? Last cheeky kinda moment near the end of the final episode where they mentioned the title of the. Oh, I thought that was a little bit too pandering for me. I thought that was a little bit too on the nose. Yeah. For such for such a serious show, kind of ended on a bad note with Tyrian actually interacting with individual one of which we had seen in quite some time, right? Exactly. And I really love them. Well, tar love the characters he's especially the loved in the books to the actor Jon Bradley, I think does a really good job bringing him out of the pages of the book. And in, you know, bring him alive a love that character and to have his story, arc. And on that cheesy moment, kind of bummed me out, but, but yeah, I agree. It was it was a little on the nose. Little cheeky. Yeah, yeah, was a little cheeky I thought, and I thought it was something that they could have done without. But I, I just they just probably couldn't help getting in there. But that's how it goes as far as the game has Ron's overall. Concern on that last season. I think a lot of people were had so many high expectations for it. And for a lot of people it wasn't bad. But you know what overall a lot of people can say that game of thrones was a great experience for them. I wanna ask you this Josh as far as the series itself. You know, you you've expounded on how much you love the show. I know you said you and your wife. Both have enjoyed it tremendously. Over the course of the seven seasons. Out, it was on. I wanna ask you. This is the game of thrones series as a whole your favorite of all time. Or where does it sit as far as your mount Rushmore or your top ten television series of all time? That is a great question in a tough question. I think it's fair to say it's top top ten. I think maybe even top seven for me, not number one in. It's not, I don't think that's just because of the way the last season, went again, I think I look at it on the whole and I, I wanna mention real quick. I think is really hard to end a show with this many fans that so beloved in an end the satisfaction way. Right. There's not a lot of shows out there. I feel like that end in a truly satisfying way. And the one that comes to mind for me, which probably my number one show of all time is breaking bad. Probably my favorite while time I think it ended in one of the best ways possible. So that's just sort of on a different level for me. But game of thrones anyway, top, I think top seven I think it's fair to say for me. What about you? I have to say it's for me top twenty for me, there was a lot of high points and a lot of low points I enjoyed it overall, but I know for me, there was parts where I drifted off, for whatever reason, but. Then came back to it. I did love season six. I surely enjoyed that drew me back in. I think that to me, was, especially the way that ended onto me gain that excitement. And for a lot of people's while gained incitement going into season seven, but the end the seasons of the last four episodes, I think, really did a number on me as far as my overall take on it. And, and it did leave a little bit of a bad taste in my mouth overall. But still, you can't fault the success that it had over the course of the many years that was on, because it truly wasn't exceptional series for so many years. So I won't fault them too much for that. But I will give them a little bit of ding and put it a little bit of a tier lower than than some of the other favorite shows, I have over the course of the many years, I've, I've watched television since I've actually been set down as a kid watching the old black and white television tells you all I am. But last before we go ahead and head on out, my friend. I've given you promotion. I've put you in charge of HBO. So you're now in charge of HBO programming. All right paycheck, as well. You know there you go. Here's the money come right out, you, but along with that you're going to go ahead and set the courts for the game of thrones series as far as you know what direction it's going to go in. So if you sat all the people responsible, the executive producers producers, the writers, directors whoever is going to be responsible for the game of thrones in the future. You sit them down in the boardroom. What are you going to tell them about the direction that you would like to see for the game of thrones? That is interesting. And you know what I think that why it was so successful in y we loved it so much. And I think that HBO took their time in we're careful and they didn't rush it and they went right along with the books. They literally brought the books to life. So I think source material is a big piece think that's what I would advise the show runners to do as let's focus on the source material. It's take a step back. And in try to have a nice sort of balance of. How can we bring this source material to life because we can't we can't really forget the genius of our Martin. Now it's quite annoying that it's taking so long to get these last two books. Hey, listen. He's genius. And he writes beautiful pros. And I think that's what I would. That's what I would focus on this. Let's, let's focus on the source material and see where it's going to see what's going to drive us because that's what what's successful. That's the formula. Right. That's correct. That's what got everybody here to liking Enna joined the game of thrones in the first place. Once again, I'm on with Josh Brennan, from the changing perspectives podcasts before I go ahead again. And say, where's located because you're obviously going to that as well. Why do people need to check out your awesome podcast, the changing perspectives podcasts? Thanks, cheryl. And we have a lot of fun on the changing perspectives podcasts. We tackle some tough topics death grief loss, but also parenting as well as a health and wellness, pop culture, and we sort of offer a different perspective. We sort of given a deep dive into some of these topics we try to have a little bit of fun doing this me. And my wife Jenny Jenny is a licensed clinical social worker, in therapist and an writer. She writes, a lot of the articles that we base, our content on can find those our website, and she's actually publishing a lot on a new website called medium dot com. They're picking up a lot of her work currently as well. So that's pretty exciting. But it's we try to keep it light. We try to talk about some tougher stuff. We try to do varied episodes in a letter up a soda and more series of soda but the. Whole time. We try to give good advice and hopefully it's, it's fun to listen to and that is, again, the changing perspective podcasts. I've, I mentioned Stitcher apple podcasts YouTube. You can actually find the change in perspective, podcasts, any other places that you wanna recommend people, go ahead and check out the changing perspectives podcasts and podcasts were on Stitcher. Like you said Spotify and again, you can find links to our shows on our own website as well changing perspectives blog dot com. That is, again, the tainted perspective podcasts, you gotta check it out today. Josh Brennan, it's just been so great talking game of thrones. Some pop culture and some other amazing times. Well, you know, I gotta get you and your wife back on, again to talk pop culture. You're always welcome. You know, if you always wanna hit me up, you can always just if you got that burning issue. You wanna talk about about pop culture, and you wanna go ahead and related on our show. The door's always open to you and your wife when it comes to you. You know what you wanna talk about when it comes to pop culture? But yes, I definitely want to get you back on the show, soon can in regards to your great opinions union wife on the change of perspective podcasts about your thoughts on the realm of pop culture. How's that sound perfect? Gerald levin. Love coming on your fun show. You guys too nice job Josh to live and into guys. So it's my pleasure. Really, thank you so much. You don't need to say anything nice about Josh nine done that just because you to have the same first name about him. Right. He will be able to go ahead and move out of Orange County where he's based out in California. Just can't do that the next time he goes to Disneyland. He won't be able to get through the main gate there. So with, you know, keep giving compliments again, this is Josh Brin from the changing perspective podcast. Check out their awesome podcast today. Josh is so great to have you part of the show, part of the program, and also very much a part of the pop culture cosmos. And now for an interview with at game straight from the ground floor at e three two thousand nineteen and they're going to be talking about their legends. Alternate, arcade. So is the first connected, arcade. We have four pillars that we to that we won't advertise. The first one is the preloaded games. So we have three hundred fifty loaded games on there. These are the restroom title games. Arcade, console games. In right here. We're showing the feature games of the retro games. So you can try one the games. Choose one that you like to try missile command uses the track goal tempest use of the spinner that we have here. But majority of them will use the arcade controls. Okay, let's turn astroid. Saints everyone everything imaginable. Yes. So you again. All the tools it then we'll start. Thank you. Quake. Good. Of course. Little Rock and HOGAN. This is where parents would dream. From school. There's something like. Aren't going, you know. Of course. Get song. Right. Right. Because there's a big pickup, and people wanting retro games now councils and stuff like that. Gave me it's almost like is on even just a traditional lifestyle that retro. Everybody rocking the convers, you don't need like the old school. You know, Jordan's visits. Trend become a lifestyle, ready player one retro Ralph thing. Vs. Like all the media facets everywhere. Yeah. It's pretty fun. The whitewater rafting. You scare. That's through the reference the way. Like. Lander games. So that's gonna. She has on doesn't really love me definitely. Yeah. We definitely set that up later but. Oh, yes. Oh. So is a fun car planner ks is coming back, and same people who beat your scores. Or seeing somebody that wasn't into your store right back reigning champ. Yeah. Because. Jomon Sita's, technically history, take technically. The next twenty minutes. So you exit other game just hitting then you. Cool. What does. So we planning what are sometimes of the game needs a coil. Coiled silly bars can have it as an option to have this going on or something. Actually, consider some, that's cool. If, if we have this, like at an in home can you, you don't have to do us a coin? Thank you play for free or is there. Okay. We just play for free. Right. So. Okay. I'm seeing pointing some games says these are wrong. Right. So they required. The point from back then we've been served that functions like interest credits that you circling. Okay. All right. Cool children about economics. Kgo eight make them make them stat quarters. Like we used to do. High school. It's actually their college fund all the quarters. They spent place. There you go. So the first first flows talking about yet. We have your just gets more show here. Busy are Kate session where have much larger. Israel race one with support from us says we really hard to get bored with three hundred. Right, right. As a whole lot going on here. Games are more like Atari old school is hardy us. Just having like Sega stuff on here. We planned you. You think you'll have to work with. Exact game. Yeah. That's always in the plans at additional contents, probably the future will consider adding that. Okay. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. Because I know you guys got a lot of Sega retrospect, too, as far as consuls go. Arcadia partake? Nets is a living breathing kind of environment for us to continue to gather content onto the console arcade cabinet. So right now, we wanna show up. Yes, in K titles that we work with workers as as gay. But these are actually all lucid at game servers, cool, a meaning they are streamed. The arcade itself me, they're not loaded directly here. So we can always continue to add content to our Kate nex. So do you have an internet connection to us? Okay. The arcade. Be loaded preloaded games do not eat it internet. Okay. Our, our new coffee maker, just gotten intervention. Sounds like your true ignition. So yes, you do need her neck, initial this case. But right now, you're seeing like, oh these games, but you need it the internet. Yeah. But arcane now we're going to have little modern games. More high-power games that won't run directly on the kid itself, but will have the server the high powered server in clouds run the game forty watching the Arteta's basically just watching video. Okay. Just inputting, your controls, over, sending that is there, a certain amount of like megabytes per second, that you need to play it successfully. Or we recommend round of the twenty five okay for second. But the low end like apartments is ten megabits. Okay. Metal slug on. Oh my goodness. I cannot take is. Hundreds of hours. Yeah. Yeah. Borderlands action they gonna fit. Business. Again. So for this season insurance point. We'll get back to that. We're, but as shoot nexus Jones poise careening. Okay. Did you guys did? Yeah. Play. Okay. And his. You are. Yes. Let your cat out here in and the eight x. Oh boy. This is true. Oh, these other awesome. Our love is. How do you do? Oh, nice to shoot the monkey. Must be he, he's like a Hobo. But sometimes he superpower. No way. Oh you about that? Oh, yeah. Elson life here. Gotcha. Gotcha. Very cupid. Instead we were good. Bullets. What? Get it. Yeah. Thank you. Not just wanted because sometimes you actually hits. Feels like aren't living breathing probably wanting eventually have players can actually buy on cool. It's an absolute need for that people buy games making what we might have subscription model type thing. So they have a real. How often is it going to be updated content? Yeah. Thinking me the monthly okay. Cool. Yeah. That's awesome. So that's the second pillar. Okay. Loda gains arcane okay, third. One is really cool that we like his e y bring your own game. Okay, cool. This is what even meeting before. And this is where. That origin blizzard if so can you does have any connective for, like controllers? If someone doesn't wanna use the joysticks, or okay. Okay connected to controller because, you know, some of these games that you have on your steam, Larry. He's not going well with Joyce. Yeah. A summer like specifically fighting games. Exactly. So one game everyone here is crucial is planning to run here via USB. Yes, you can't as well. Just straightforward. Right, right there easy interface. And then h even go out to the projector, Sylvia. She mile explain it. Okay. It doesn't go up to the projector canal. Explain why we have. Us must. Then so that, that dungle right there. Like what you guys have for your your like Atari kits right? Yeah. And this is all part of the coast. Okay. If you wanna try again. This year. One more thing. This is streaming OK streaming this get your same to arcade. I for me because. Games like these high piecing. Yeah. They're able to run directly on the Hartford self. So. Okay. So there's a. Yeah. Yes. So we constantly update the game library. You can bring your own seed. Games is offers streaming. It's to through our cloud servers. Okay. Circle. She's grabbing. Are you are you? So if they're games you can play online on steamed this let you can do it through this to okay. The way that is. The server has game on there. Okay. So the service, connecting all back in online multiplayer. Yeah. So yeah, you can still on. Oh perfect. We have a streaming service. Komo four night on their start with a bunch of days. How fun that's what is streetfighter on here? I'll just show you the Stephen you just to show you like a if you were you had your seem very and you have enough people like this, what you would do just typing, your wonderful that simple. If you. Oh, yeah. You play on there, too. The steam users. Oh, nice that, that doesn't get us you. There's your name exactly cool thing about that is so awesome. I was just takes you right. To the pump long and brings you up because you have to go into the store to write to you. Comes on come in his games on there. So what about something like, like, if you're using a discord chat does that can you run that through here? Or do you have to do that on a separate here? Microphone you would we'd have to tailor that experience a little bit. Yeah. Four discord. Okay, you want to run this kinda awkward when work really well. So that's something we're sitting pipeline to like figure out what's good way to support this. Okay. Because I know like gamers have to use this came talk with each other. Yeah. So right now this quarters indivi- blank hundred considering what, what's the best way to support it? Yeah. But off top of my head you again. The microphone, we'll probably have some menu luggage dischord cetera. Okay. Here's a fun question for you. Is it possible? Could you see someone mapping out to be able to play fortnight using these controls? So we've got this question actually internally as well. How do we do? I want I'm swimming, I want to see people do challenge where you get a win with these control. Actually, this does control the mouse. Okay. Backwards yet. It'd be very awkward. Yeah, that's on. I want to do it would you because you need to joy six right for some fortnight. Oh, got it. Okay, how the reaction time. Yeah. I propose an official challenge out there to someone to win for like that. Awkward, but you could technically okay? Maybe like computers. Sedating. Specialize joysticks on the trigger buttons on their little joy stays on top of the joints. Let's talk. I like I like the. About how this game here. That's awesome. Oh, those are the number three Hiller pre game, right. For the fourth one and times. We have these bosto- he's less already. He's blessed on those just a Dongo. Relate usually into your TV. These are actually selling. Okay. I got her about games on there like that. Cetera. If you have you can plead it. That use the USB exit the power it, okay. The controls will be met to this blast in called show on street now to play your blast games on your Kate using the. So those are the four pillars what we call here, the arcade played links eighteen me so I one will be pre game. Three fifty seven. One is our nets third one is in fourth. One is abo arcade playland, while. So what is I, I read somewhere that price point be like six hundred dollars on P five ninety five ninety nine okay includes full at, and then, like a release date or no really state will be. Satyagraha. Okay. Xanthi but it's in that time. Okay. And then where would people be able to get hold of one of these? They still working with the buyers. Okay. One side news is available. Release. Perfect. Well, this is gonna be if you're opening up like a new, arcade, or if you opening up, even like CD's in, like bars or things like that, that would be awesome like awesome. Like really people have playing this new games on here, but still getting the states where we Princeton stand around and watch you in chair behind. You can play something shoulder to shoulder on, that listening is also. 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Episode 132: Starn Wars Rise of the Bad Titles

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Episode 132: Starn Wars Rise of the Bad Titles

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Joe really in Barbara's have to get their haircut after you'd think that they could just do surgery on themselves. The legal really self surgery surgeries the legal even the one where you put a magnet your fingertip. So let me talk to you a little bit. But they did surgery on a great condamne. It you try to surgery on a grape in the Pont. Guess what? It was still barely clinging to the cultural consciousness. You cannot bring surgery on the grapes. And this week is brought to you by alcoholism. Yes. This week is brought to you once again by a little known beer that you may have never heard of the live oak. Kef vice that we will drink it till we die. Probably we might get new beer. Oh, I thought this was like a promise. Ooh. What if we get sponsored by a beer company? I would be super happy. And you know, how they're going to do this. We're gonna go to total wine. Yeah. We're gonna hang out with all those the sample people sometimes girls inventor guys, no judgment. Hang around there. And just be like, hey, like do you want to sample? Do you want to sponsor us? So what was that guy that Pearl vodka is that no real good care? Real good vodka. Oh, wait. There was a belligerent. Total wine guy to you not on. I was at specs. I say at specs Pearl beer Pearl. Yoga's want Pearl snagged. You wanted peripheral beer. Yeah. That guy I told that story on the podcast gonna do it again. No just wanted to do like a sweet callback. Call back day. Most of the German of applied cast is it's like a simulation of having a pleasant conversation. If only people knew how much we detested each other. I n -ly the ba- thirty minutes of your record before each podcast is filled with insults flying back and forth that somehow turns into improv games. I the real shame here is that we're drinking the live oak have of ice on which is one of my favorite beers. I'm a huge half of ice in person. I love. Leader beer. I like beers that tastes weedy. Upfront like bread live oaks primis would say it's like a very Brady banana bread. There's some beers that that are like tastes like a loaf of bread and some people don't like that. Now, the shame of it all is. I actually went to a social engagement over the weekend where I was tasked to. And I don't know if you've ever been to a party where they do this told to bring my own beer all one of those bowl wild. Yeah. Volume be wads our whole parties themed around Bawab, and it's just kind of insane. The a concept to rather head around. I really couldn't believe it. So I went to our local Howard Edward butts. HEB grocery store, and I bought what something that is starting to show up on the shelves. More and more often now, which is polymers Heff advice on haulers pollinators P A U L A M E R apostrophe S about you're talking about bees. No, it is not be. But it is one of if not define us Heff of ice on the market polymers is so good. And I can never find it unless it's springtime, and I was so happy to find it. And now this tastes, okay? In comparison. The niceness of polymers has all the beauty of the live oak of ice. And for me. It's funny. How that happens where you have your main stay for years. I drank Andy gator by Beata, really good beer, very heavy. Very very dark. What I like. But then I try any porter any porter beer, and that kind of ruined and dicator because like a porter has start full body this full flavor. This a Roman the con- draws. You in an indicator I found a comparison was just kind of a simulation of that. Yeah. Indicators like, it's it's it doesn't know what it wants to be because it's dark, but it's also like high gravity. So there's no like smoothness or body to it. I think Ambi gator is a is a fine beer. But you're expands it's still belied for and I will still partake in what I can. But then if I'm in a restaurant or at a Alamo draft house, it's going to be the five one to pecan porter because that's the only place I can get it. So I had a an experience where I felt like a full blown trouble, man. Oh, no. So when I was buying the polymers our local Howard, we're but Howard detainment these stands for detainment metal is entertainment. Money's how? But I really I really pleased myself with a joke, but I was getting my polymers, and I was also getting a twelve pack of white claw. What is white clawed? Why does it sound like a power move white claw is alcohol? Ick. Seltzer water. So it's just boozy LaCroix. All the calories posted on it. Just it's a typically for any room. It's kind of a crowd pleaser bring this to an event where people would just be drinking and watching something and silence. Brought a bunch of that. And as I was walking with my six pack of expensive heavy, and my twelve pack of boozy LaCroix. I heard a woman next to her friends saying, I just don't know. What all this stuff is do they even have beers. Like that here. What's a Breckenridge vanilla porter? Like, she would my gosh re was looking at a list. I said, hey, look, I know it's super weird button. But the Breckenridge vanilla ports on the other aisle is not refrigerated. That's usually where all the beers. Like that are they were so thankful, and they said, oh, you have no idea. This means so much where late to a game of thrones watch party, which was also going. Nice. And then they thanked me profusely and left. So wait. This is a question. I have to ask because well. Well, took a story. Like that story. I just wanna comment on the story. Let's tone validate your story before I selfishly jumped to a new top. Yes, please. So you went to a game of thrones watch party. I did this is a topic that hugely interest me because I am an island. I like Ireland at no not. Yes, I agree. Joy by right? What is dead and married? That's what they say. Right. Yes. What is I like I like experiencing by need? What is funky might never be? Okay. Sorry. Anyway, did you consume by media, unless it's a movie on my own movie to movie theater, there are other people there? But you know, there's this expectation no one we'll talk with a television show. That's not necessarily the rule. However from what you just said, I'm getting like an implication, like our house rules house later stir roles are like, no one talks. So the the house party the watch party that we went to it was a very nice mix. Because definitely this just fifty five minutes long. Yeah. A long time to be quiet, especially with booze. There were people who may jokes cracking of beers. But people generally had an air of pretty genuine appreciation for letting the story unfold, there were certain things that were just funny, which I don't know how much I can. Talk about the actual show spoiling our anti spoiler clause will stop you from talking about any particulars for another fifty to forty years. What did you watch it shorts? Yes. Of course, there's one character who keeps showing up always the same place. Always silently looking at people and the roof thought that was hilarious every mates of really good jokes about it. And one of them turned into like a tweet that someone made cut like re tweets, it's very fun ice. I mean, it's minor viral. Still look look. I've been very active on Twitter again the ship stores completely and one of our tweets that wrote got fifteen why Jesus Christ. And I kind of wanted to jokingly say, oh didn't know this blow up so much please check out zero credits. Yeah. But I didn't wanna put trae those fifteen people be I would not betray the trust of the fifteen. You gotta have a very serious number of lakes and re tweets going on before you play around with that shit. But I think that. Would you recommend the watch parties? My question, I would recommend the watch party only under very specific circumstances. I went into the watch party having to preconceived notions. Number one. I greatly disliked this television show at this point. So people can say whatever I was pleasantly surprised by what I saw at might have slightly turned around other than someone said the line of proposal is exactly what I'm proposing. I wanted to cut my head off. Look the writing has gone we've talked about this undoubtedly I'm writing dropped off a mentally. I really love when two characters are caddy towards each other for no reason of into a stab conflict, my favorite things when you start your episode by outlying the problems that we're all going to be facing sometime this this in the next five episodes like, oh, hey, this bad things happening. This us collation things happening, and we're all out of food. Yeah. And also, we have no time for all this and the rest of the episode is let's find time for all of our flirting. We had a flirt. Yeah. It was basically an episode of embraces flirting and cattiness like there's a point of mass effect where the video games mass effect where it's like, yeah. You gotta get that romance in. But you never get the payoff until you're flying to the final mission. Yeah. And it's it happens. Like in transit. It's not like wait hold on the reapers or here. But first garrison let's make out. Yeah. Which I mean, you know, everyone wants to make it with Garris and for for all the ship by aware rightfully deserves for a lot of it. I thought that stuff was done relatively well. But game of thrones writing is something we can't even talk about because it would require spoiling quite a bit of banned books and the show, and we're not gonna do that. But the launch party the watch party. If you hate the show like I did. You won't care. What people say, but if you like the show, and you know that the group will be relatively silent. I recommend it. See, I don't know any groups the only group side. Now, are you and your lovely girl from? I mean, we don't have HBO now. So our places off limits. Well, yeah, we could have watched here, you know, this person. I don't know if we're going to host to get. So maybe we'll do a lot party here. And do a bad version of we don't have to. I do. I do not like the show what it is become by immensely interested, and how they're going to end it because these two writers, I don't know their names, and I don't care to learn them, but they are on the precipice of the rest of their career. And there are rumors flying around about him. Like, of course, we know about their weird. What if the civil war went the other way show that they pitched HBO, oh, you mean DB Weysan, David Benny off a cat as that's their names. Get I call him D in the past eight years. Yeah. They really wanted to to make that weird. What if the alternate history is scary because alternate history allows for certain not like radicalization history, but allows for certain viewpoints to seem correct or powerful. Which if you made a show being like what if the civil war confederates one not a good not? I don't don't do it. Yeah. I don't think it's interesting to look at that. Yeah. But also starting yesterday rumors were flying about of the future of the Star Wars series. I don't know if you know about star war. I might have heard of it L Star Wars there. Rumors that the next decade is going to be plotted out by none other than Ryan Johnson. And then those two writers I'm happy about one third of that question. Same lay. I immensely excited. Seal Ryan Johnson can do when he's not picking up the pieces. Other people have dropped and with a completely new set of characters and story line. And all that because I think he can do a really good job. What I am not excited to see. Or maybe I'm hesitant to see is what d- do without source material. Yeah. I wanna see what d. Indeed, do or don't do with the trying to think of Star Wars where the search with D ROY droids do Bax data Dan to William Dan, Harvey. Incorrect Clemson, though, no, I'm very concerned about that. But I love me. Some Ryan Johnson. The the thing that Devi Weiss and David Betty up Di Di Di Di rose the hammer brothers the problem that they're running into is something that I end it's been it has been promulgated through culture for the last I'm going to say thirty maybe forty years, and we maybe this is the first time that we is Americans have really run into it seriously because you have these people who are working off a very set base material that released certain schedule in a limited series, but the limit. Series by the nature of its very creation is going to go faster than something that's written. And it's what I like to call the animate a lever like with anime catches up to the manga. And they naturally have to do a bunch of shitty. Filler episodes that add nothing to character development or there. We are fun things. I hate those episodes. So absolutely look at I mean, even our Ruto one nineties ninety percent of Naruto, filler episodes. The it was interesting what they did. With dragon bowls e for the most part because they just said, let's have character stand for a longer. Sometimes let's have get their driver's license. A best episode. The the thing that we're seeing with the game of thrones. Is it has so outpaced the production of the actual written word, which George are Martin is a historically glacial writer. He does not right quickly and his books are meticulously researched and plotted and rewritten over and over again. So his books aren't going to come up fast. And I applaud them for in seasons. One and two for making a show that was basically just reading the books to you know, like they have the best scripts of the world that does they have a thousand pages of scripts already written that that's the one thing that sucked me into the series because I've watched like two episodes of game of thrones. As I can't really understand anybody. I can't keep track of these characters. I'm going to read the books, and so I read the first book, and then I went back and started the series over this is one to one like there's so. Closed. They're putting the book on screen this awesome. Yeah. And then seasons two and three and four happen. Like o two's pretty close. They're cutting characters out of the show and I feel like season one. They had the perfect template because season one is very parochial and contained within winter fellas. A whole within winter fell and at the wall, but the book one is it tells this very specific story with very limited characters as the books branch out. They start like trimming the fat for the show you start to see it. Get a little bit less connected season three that happens. More season for you start to get worried season five of game of thrones is horsh shit. When I realized that they were going to continue to try to do a season per book or like a book per season. That's when the concern started. Because the first book is the shortest. At fit that the length of the story for the length of the season perfectly. But then like they kind of kept doubling in size, but the episodes remained to ten and it just quickly became if this is supposed to be a TV show. Why you're taking your time with it to cover all of these details. Why all of a sudden can people fucking teleport. Yeah. I mean if you have like ten to twelve percent seasons. I could even see stretching game of thrones the first book out to two seasons. Yeah. And then I would say for the second book clash of kings that could be another two or three seasons in of itself. Storm of swords the longest book at that point yet clash of kings. It covers entire war the war of like five kings, or whatever it's called a clash of kings. You could tell one of the most amazing things clash of kings was like the the stories behind the the war parties and the caravans. And their strategic locations and their occasional clashes you could've because Robb's victory against the Lancasters was just an afterthought on the show this show that fight for a second the outcome. But it's like you could milk that we're season eight right now, we could still be in the third book we could on and then they'd have to more bookstore off. And I thought they were going to slow down. My honestly thought when they got closer to the end of the books around slowdown and zoom in and take more time with it to allow maybe Georgia Martin to finish the books, but then they dislike. Well, no, we got the notes from George when we started we met in a hotel room and talked for a good hour, and we kind of know where it's going and from that point on. I was like, oh, so you guys are just your cashing in. They did the complete opposite. Because what they did was rather than going off of source material or slowing down away from to catch up, which typically an anime creator would do. They decided to increase the speed of the plot to rush to an ending would love to talk about the details. Like how they solve certain problems that Martin has struggled with for years. But I'm not spoil anything for anyone who hasn't caught up. No. But I would recommend the watch party under varies certain circumstances is at never done, it know, and and very particular. But because I I can't hear well, it is getting somebody talks during a line of dial that I wanna hear I'm probably not going to be a happy camper. Yeah. I it would be a very specific kind of thing. There was a couple of really funny jokes. Very I love watch parties for movies that I've seen before like the faceoff guests the face off party shit faced off the ship fake where we could barely hear the movie at all. But like. That was still very enjoyable. So this is something I maybe wanna bring to the podcast, and maybe bring to you my podcast co host. Would you be interested in reinstituting the shit faced off? What is re-instituting? We only did a once. Yes. But it could be a tradition why not necessarily once a year. But every once in a while shirt because honestly, I still don't know what that movie is about that's totally fair. So the shit faced off for anyone listening to this. I recommend that you actually engage in this yourself because it is. I don't know that I've ever been to a more fun party. I will say that was probably the one time in my life where I should not have driven home. You know, that's pretty much. Exactly what I said fun party. You should not have driven though, I'm taking that much more seriously now. Yeah, no, honest, if there were moments when I was like waiting on a stop light. Whereas like that I just fall asleep. Oh, no. It was honestly probably the most drunk. I've been while driving. I guess I'm and various shame to admit it. But I should have not driven home that night. There may be four three or four times in my life where I thought that and I'm ashamed of it. And remember them to this day. I'm sorry that the shift faced off caused that. Well, it wasn't as I didn't really gauge the tempo of the party. And all of a sudden it was over. Yes, I've been there, and they'll don't pretty much every time that I've been in that situation. That's been the case. I do not judge the party. Well, and then it ends, and I'm like, I'm really drunk great. But anyone out there who wants to institute the ship? Stuff you need three things you need the movie face off by John Lewis, starring Nicolas Cage. John Travolta, great cast director a nominal cast. Phenomenal director kind of problematic now with a lot of the stuff in it. But it's an amazing movie face off is phenomenal. I know he say this to excuse a lot of things, but it is very much a product of time. It's probably good sign and also it's made to make a really creepy. Character seem very gross. And so it's not not at all acceptable behavior. Succeeds. And the second thing you need is friends. This remember? Oh, yes. How's your deads? I'm sorry. The second best line next to I need to go. Use. The little boy's PP. Yes. If your dead cells, your did face movie is phenomenal face off is very good. The second thing you need is amicable friends or the company of yourself because I don't think the shit faced off has to have other people in our experience. It was it benefited people because there are people at this party who wanted to see face off, and it started because I wanted to show these people face off so badly that it became mythical hounding of them to face off. And then it became a party. And the third thing you need is drugs and alcohol, or if you don't do that, just whatever you people do drugs. There were drugs. It's fine. It's fine. They weren't hard drugs. No judgment here. It's you know, how some people had facial blindness. Yes, I have drug blind. Legitimately. I've just recently because the ACLU fast. I just recently was able to say, oh, I small I smell the marijuana here. Yeah. You can do that pretty much anytime. If you go to six street now really people just light up on six Dr. Oh, like crazy. Once you start doing it. You start noticing it. I guess, but it we should do faceoff. We should definitely bring back shit faced off faced off. And I agree with your rule about amicable friends. But if you haven't comedian friends throw them into. Yeah. If you have the comedian friends are what I like to call an x factor in that they are cantankerous get drunk easily because they hate their lives. They've good jokes. And they don't want to leave your apartment, Tom. I miss the late night. Stand up at bars. Drinking comedian, friends and dislike. Wow. We just hate everything that's going on right now. Being an Austin. I am significantly less involved with a comedy community. But it's also allowed me to diagnose that I used to maybe have a drinking problem as a coping mechanism yet. Probably to comedy does that drinking and eating a real like bacon cheese, fry problem where we used to live. I mean comedy does drive you towards certain kinds of self destructive behavior. It's drinking not always self-destructive drinking right now. We're here we we the problem. So the thing is I I was looking at this recently because I'm trying to not like lose weight, but just be healthier. And something that I was reading it was like, hey, if you're drinking try not to drink more than like, two to four drinks anything. And I was like that sounds totally reasonable. And then I thought back to what I did in college. And shortly after that was like every night I would have four plus drink. Yeah. I would be drunk. Of multiple times a week. A grew out of social engagements like. It's started to become like we would drink for podcasting. Yeah. Which for that podcast that we used to do probably wasn't the best. No felt good recording. But then listening back like, oh Ono, and we're footing this out the people. Yeah. The real problem with drinking a lot while recording that podcast is it was something that was Representative of an art that we care about and listening vacuoles Ono. This is the worst representation of this. Art, boy, I listened lately they still put up they still do put up a sodas have we officially plugged them on the podcast once or twice. Yeah. We can say their name. We said catch us on podcast podcasts. Party hearty action part paired peered so go back in the archive listened to the episodes. We were on where I got a belligerently drunk. I do not remember all of my characters were southern. There was an episode where? The very end we took like a break. And I came back on did improv recorded to history while I was not drunk, but I was an ingredient in other ways, very bad, improv. Really hated it really hate back to that happened at my apartment. Did it? Absolutely did. Oh, wow. You have drug blindness. It's okay. I do like bad drug blindness, this whatever I don't care. No. It wasn't good improv. All I did was laugh, anyway, let's move from our sad depressing lives, the past tours said depressing lives of the president. Well, I was going to send to the the star filled sky of the really distant far away past. Oh, wait, can I do to things before we can do one thing before do that? You can do two things I wanted to do two things, but they're both joke bits only do one. So at want us each today. Three. Three mottos of the iron island. Forgive thrones. Song esther? I the iron island. Is there a hard people? They fight for everything and anything that has won must be won by gristle and steel and muscle, which is why the iron islanders fly the banner of the horn and under it says get hearts. It took when I was gonna say, yeah. The iron islanders. They pay the iron price. I've heard which is they take from their kills. So their house words, of course, everybody knows in their renowned throughout the seven kingdoms. That's stabbing take stab and take. No, they're very seafaring people probably the most sea-faring other than the mercenaries in door. No, the mercenaries and Dort one there. No, the news Dora, golden company this made up right? The golden company they'd come from east arose. Oh, it's throats. Yes. It's called his west arrose. And then there's there's Bravo's the free islands. And there was a whole continent. They never really call. It is warned their door is the very southern tip. So they're huge fucking nerdy ride. A lot of boats is what I'm saying. And the thing is they like to consider might be pronounced Estoril us. They like to consider their their ships part of themselves and when their legs are on the ship. They all say unison ship. My pants the ship is my pets. I shift my. Yeah. All right. That just happened that comfort three one team three. I feel like it's really run it run. Its course. So you could probably just take us home with one four. Well, all right. So the great joys they've ruled over the iron islands for near fire on yet theon and urine and great Baylor is Joan Ellen did on. And so the sister nuts. Isha Asia OSHA oceans, so anyway, just the they're all the fake guy. The show his brother, whatever he's like, I point that's year on great joy. They they bastardised his character. Really? It's actually the saddest part of the show as current because he's supposed to have purple hair. He's supposed missing a nine. He has a new crew. But he's supposed to have all these mystical artifacts in wizards and shit, and he just wants the fuck the Queen in the show. He's just Jack Sparrow anyway. So they're outlay all did on. And we all know, they're very hard people. No idea where this possibly be. Very hard Peter hard people. And so I want to welcome the newest Scrooge or king. Hard on. That's the joke. Hard ungrateful heart on. Funny. No, anything calls them part on me more. No one. That's like a sixties thing. Yeah. Anyone sorry for my belieber bit the star filled sky of the of the very distant past. And I don't know if you ever heard of a series of movies of films attic history of called Star Wars. I said earlier that I may have heard of it. I'm actually the world's biggest fan and chief historian. All right, cool. So you know, that Star Wars celebration twenty nineteen happened this past week a week ago that doesn't make any sense, it's not even close to me for it's not which I thought was a really missed opportunity, but they had in Chicago. Oh, the most Star Wars city most Star Wars city, Chicago you ever been to Chicago and seeing that giant silvery being shaved moisture va- perimeter. I ate some deep dish. Pizza. Oh, you mean deep dish lights? The Domus fucking. So they had this this whole convention. Everyone loves star war. And so they had all the news. Have you heard some of the news trailer for episode nine and they released the title for episode nine the rise of all hold on. Don't spoil it for those of you who fall are Twitter. You might have picked up that I was teasing. I knew the title. I and I had this bit or Jj Abrams was going to walk up to the to the mic say I'm calling it star award. And then drop the mic and walk off. And that was the whole conference and you want to tell them the real name of episode nine. Yes. Star Wars the rise of Skywalker. And I know we've already talked about between the two was, but it's Star Wars of better title than the rise of Skywalker. So it's really interesting Jj Abrams has been at the helm of two of the most fuck and fan fiction est titles for stores movies in history. Because he's got the force unleashed knowing nuts video game. No, what is the force of awakens. Because the force aleisha was actually better Noel feature protagonist called stark did start killer star killer. But that's also the name of the basin force awakens. But we both Bruce Wayne and soup. Months into. So. Awakens. Although says about as the force of the, but no the force awakens terrible name completely horrible Dame. It didn't tie on all to the movie the force didn't do shit before too. Not to shit, and then you have followed by that. The Ryan Johnson flick Star Wars the last Jedi which time I nominal title ties into the actual plot of the movie makes you interested in what's going to happen. The movie and singly a three words subtitle describes the plot of the movie and its entirety from at least two different angles. Yeah. It was a sink. It was catchy. It was all the right things. And now you've got go and talk about how genius the last general is we did talk. We have the end of the lie at yet. But it's also talking about Jesus how there's one that I left, but it was also talking about in the past. How the last Jedi were Luke and Kylo Ren. So story it is a social. Oh that describes what happens in the past. What happens in the present? And what happens in the future? That's pretty great. It's so good should have been are supplemental reading instead of gushing over fan, boys. Instead we could have gushed over the title fan boys supplemental reading for the title coming soon. And now Jj Abrams is at the helm of the rise of Skywalker, which can we have a quick sidebar? What's let means raise like a Skywalker. Right. That means raise like related to the thing. Here's the thing. Because that's immediately people are like way to put the spoiler in the title. But there's multiple things that can be going on. For instance, Phob. For instance, the rise of it's the rise of Skywalker and the entire saga kinda was about Skywalker and away from anikin to Luke. And I don't think it includes Ray unless he's going to read con what been solo said, which is fine because that could have come from a place of nippy relation or lie. The problem is they talked to Jj Abrams about it. And he said that no one knows what cholera and truly meant. So it could come from a place of manipulation or law, which I could buy. However, my theory is that because I don't know if you watch the trail right heard the trailer. I don't watch him. But my my my dear wife, beloved wife Watsa trailer next to me in bed. So I heard it and during the trailer a certain laugh, you could hear a certain laugh a very conic laugh. The laugh of the emperor of. Dr Citius emperor pal time his other name also known as the Senate and look. His name is emperor open, quote, the Senate close talpet team favorite jokes and the line. I think it must be revenge at the sip where he goes I. This first name. I've no idea Carlos the thin. Anyway. So we heard that laugh and it came hold on. I'm imagining him coming out like a WW, wrestler tro, and the little kyron goes Carlos the Senate. He's got like a big thing on the on the big screen thaw Senate and these coming fucking Bruno Mars or whatever and like in interviews like what it was my nickname in college. The yes, Carlos palpitations laugh is heard right either before or during the the the line that Luke said in the last movie. No one's ever really gone. So what if emperor pal Patine Cologne, Darth Vader, aka anikin Skywalker? Okay. And the rise of Skywalker is about a clone Skywalker that they have to take down as in that just the dumbest thing I've ever said. It's it's a really interesting theory and. So the good things about it. I number one basement blow my brains out. Stages considering Jatiya's definitely considering. I I wanna make this perfectly clear for the podcast. I love Star Wars more than almost any fictional universe. I may huge stores fan have been forever. I adore Star Wars have not watched the trailer have not made any moves to because. Sorry, I spoilt. I don't care about the trailer. Because I'm so from everything that Jj Abrams has said and from the fact that big studios pretty much without exception will came to pressure when it comes to create a vision. I'm so not excited for this movie. I'm really into supporting the worst that might that kind of fix what I wanted to talk about because I know a few things, and I thought you might know everything because I knew you like sours was it about the trailers specific on the specifically book details that have come out. I might know some. So jaded Abrahams has said that this isn't going to pick up right after the last. I there's gonna be a time skip. Yes. Which I think could cause the last night was the first movie Amer do that temper. Do this is happening, right. After all of the other movies have time significant time skips up a couple of years to like not decades. But within a couple of years or even in the case of like, if you take Phantom Menace versus tag of the clones significant times or yet yet as a little boy becomes a little man. Yeah. This was skipping. What like ten years? Yes. So one case maybe decades, and if you say like from return of the hit, I two phantom minutes, I guess negative or we're going chronologically from revenge of the sift to undo whole to new hope that is couple of a couple of decades at least in between return of the Jedi to force awakens as a couple. All right. So decent times give these times. So I kind of occa- we're going back to form as what I think we're doing with the rise of Skywalker a time. Skip a lot of unexplained things are gonna happen. Skywalker. The rises scour could also refer to this the teachings of Luke Skywalker, maybe taking old and been solo. But I've heard from a co worker that there's an image of been solo putting his helmet back together. Great. So the cool thing about the last Jedi. I was so it's kind of it's rarely near close to my heart is one of my favorite Star Wars movies. It's definitely one of the best Armour's movies. I think it's probably like number three. Yeah. Okay. So let's do this. Okay. Empire Strikes bags. I've -solutely the best movie ever made stands alone or avenge of this. Incorrect, that's infuriates. But no, I think that if you if you wanna rank it, which is of meaningless exercise, Empire Strikes Back is the most film. Interesting story, stands almost entirely on its own and gives us some of those iconic moments in film, making history at all the it everyone always says, it's the best one. It's because that's the more like, oh, we're gonna make more and we gotta make this shit. Mick sense. Yeah. And so everything is done very purposefully. And that's why it's so good. Yeah. It is. It is a lot of really smart people came together to fix something that didn't make any sense exactly which is one number two is new hope because it's a miracle that that movie was made it as a technical achievement and was saved in the editing bay. It was saved in the editing bay it is it's a phenomenal movie for what it is. It's a testament to guerrilla filmmaking. Really glad that the new hope exist, and then it's got to be like the last Jedi. For real because. Revenge the sieve for me as a very nostalgic thing because it was one of the first hours movies. I saw it came at the right point in my by offering I now care about storytelling. Yeah. And it was a well told story for the most part. No, I think that revenge of the south is definitely in the topic film. It's in the top like fifty percents when you put it like four now. Brag oh v I'd probably go Djeddai four fifth. Probably we'll know. Jeddah. I had a lot of problems that carried through to Phantom Menace. I'd probably put revenge of the four I think it's jet. I five and the dealers choice for the last few because those really matter road one and solo do not fit in that list. They don't count. But now, I I'm very sad about the rise of Skywalker because I wish they'd given the reins to Ryan Johnson for number three. I wish they had given him the middle one because his his mission statement of I wanna burn it all down. So we can start again would have been so much better suited to the end of Star Wars. What okay I see where you're coming from an I can agree to a degree. But also, if you take this last movie as the this is going to be the bow on this nine movie series that that will wrap up the Skywalker story then. Maybe as much as I do not like JJ from version of storytelling where he just puts little mystery boxes, but he doesn't have the answer to that. Maybe one day. He will answer. I hate that about him. But Ryan Johnson kill ball those mystery boxes during the war mysteries. Yeah. So and that freed up JJ Abram for this movie. So I want to be optimistic because I know I'm going to see it, regardless. I know this is going to stand as the canon end to this this near fifty year story. Yeah. It this is the end because there will be additional stores movies. There will be episode nine is the end of the story that we know this is the end of the original family like this would be like God forbid like the Queen dies. And there's no air like this is the end of the Royal Star Wars family. And I think no matter what I want to like it. Like, I feel it kinda like cleaned to less straw, being desperate. I I want it to be good. I mean, the thing is like the force awakens isn't openly insulting like the Phantom Menace was the force awakens has problems. But it's totally workable Star Wars movie. The force awakens major flaw is that it's a new hope remade. That's a fucking bra because it's it's just Jj Abrams. Is he plays it very safe because he does the two things that Hollywood knows will like make people like aroused for a movie because he's like activate the style. Joe create mystery, and those are the two things he does. And that's fine. But I feel like The Fourth Way it's not the worst movie. It's fine. I feel like he's probably going to do a fine end to this. But you also have to look at the fact that I think the Jj Abrams released the people behind this movie. Do have an eye deep within themselves for like meaningful visual. Storytelling and meaningful visual, storytelling. His all Star Wars has ever been about yet pretty much. So if you look at the trailer, there is a moment yet, I have seen all of the stills from it. Fun era. Also, look the truth because I I haven't seen any still if you look at the trailer. There is a fairly impeccable moment where you see Ray. It's indistinguishable Ray. It's raise hand outfit. And she's holding the Luke's lightsaber next to hawn's blaster on her hip, and it is a perfect encapsulation of the end of all of these characters, which is raised the end rate has the tools, a Luke Skywalker. She has the tools of on solo. And she is the last character we have to care about. So Luke Skywalker and Han solo over leading up to Ray you don't like fin offense. Good unite Podins Damran, podium, great. But we don't have to care about them. No. We do have to care about the. I'm just saying that this still proves that they have an eye for visual storytelling, which is important. No, yeah. J nails visuals. I think that podium. Great podium is. The hell in the second film of maybe the most classic or at least recent example, of people totally misunderstanding, dramatic, irony and character knowledge because PLO Damron has that huge coup against captain. What's her the commit commander whole though to Admiral Admiral hold? Oh. And might not be an Admiral, please. And people say what a ridiculous thing that is. But it's only because it's shot from as specific perspective to show that in this particular circumstance, like bravado of Han solo does not fit because people are moving at a scope that cannot be imagined by someone who was like a front line soldier who does not necessarily deserve privilege information's pilot. Yeah. So people assume that he's in the right because of typical western storytelling traditions. No the person who was promoted to Admiral in the. Assistance. Who is exceptionally skilled at intelligent happen to know more than someone who's just a fucking pilot. There's a bias in storytelling where we signed with the perspective character. Like, we have characters perspective we wanna root for them. We want them to be right. And so often more often than not they are right? Yeah. We're not used to following a perspective as wrong as a really good thing about game of thrones a lot like a spoiler. But we're Nejd perspective for a lot of moments that you think things are going. Well, and then suddenly we're not in his perspective. We are in Arias perspective for a very coma tive moment where you realize when you play with perspective when you when when you if you really wanna dive into good, storytelling, you have to mess with our preconceived notions of storytelling. Just because we're in a perspective of protagonist that should not mean. They're always, right. The best character are flawed characters. The best characters have have. Huge character flaws and poke amens is that he believes fighting an action and lake doing things right away. Doing the first thing you think of trying to infiltrate in all this is the right action because we don't have hold perspective of I've got a care. I wanna make sure all of these people on board of this ship come out safe. Yeah. And so that means we can't attack attacking is wrong right now. We're just trying to get away. I really feel like the I feel like Ryan Johnson. It has to have been. I mean, obviously it was intentional. But I feel like even the characterization of though that choice of defying audience perspective was completely intentional that holdovers. Shown to be empathetic glad-handing slow to move slow to speak slow to act colorful hair, older, women older woman. So you portray her in. Every light that will make your typical like male American audience be like, oh, this person's ineffectual. And then the turn of the movie is this person's incredibly intelligent had a plan the whole time and Podins and the like super hunky dude has been operating in deference to this to everyone's detriment at detriment. They like everyone everyone is the lesson to for his weird like coup plan because she had a plan all along. So here, here's where I think the conversation goes the last Jedi. I will probably go down in the series. As maybe the smartest Star Wars. Film depends on who you ask. Because a lot of people still genuinely hate that movie. I wanna get into it because I've had multiple conversations of mutual friend friend the podcast, Geoff who has certain theories about that that movie. Wait does Jif not like it. No, Jeff loves it. Okay. Good. Jeff loves it. I was going didn't like it. We should have him back on the conversations went this, John not like it. So I don't betray you too. Good light of only, but he's got through about what people who don't like that movie. What that says about them, but I don't again to them. So I think maybe the less comes off as maybe the more intellectual more literary Star Wars, and all I can hope for the last Jedi is I want it to be the rise of Skywalker or wait. No, you're talking as a future perceptions of the last general yet. But yeah, what I want the rise of Skywalker to be is an entertaining end. I want it to be more akin to a solo where can kind of turn my brain off. And just say like, this is the end I accept this. Please do not just put a different skin on return of the Jedi. Yeah. I I have. Act like as much as people hate the less for their reasons. I asked I before so awakens to me is the worst Star Wars film it to me it's a slap in the face and my father who I don't typically go to him for movie. Critique by father said, oh, they just remain remade. The original why what I pay money for this. This is dumb. Yeah. I'm also I will really gutsy of them if they do if they do remake Djeddai because then there would be walks. The ports come back the poor the poor feet. Walkers is all on a forest planet. The prophecy has been for told I it's almost better. I think that Ryan Johnson did not get the helm of third Star Wars movie because Ryan Johnson love star. Wars which comes through in the last jet. I if he had made the last one he would've ended on a bummer and people would have hated for it. None sick. Like the trailer came out during Star Wars celebration twenty nineteen in Chicago. And the trailer was released course worldwide on the internet in Ryan Johnson's response on Twitter was all cats. Yes, I love this. This is great. Yes. Lately in the Arctic. Of course, the buzzfeed's of the world picked up on. Oh, yeah. The last Jedi director has a really positive response to the new trailer. And of course, he does because he loves starved. Yes. It came through in last jet. I and so many people miss the gun him point. I was having an argument Justice. They've co worker the political climate shifted, but tween the force awakens which came out in two thousand fifteen and the last Jedi which came on twenty seventeen it shift. Did tremendous shifted so much, but the same people who love the force awakens. Disliked the last Jedi for having the same characters. Yes, it, and that's I think that's really the problem is that people didn't like the last July for featuring the same characters as the force awakens. And I don't wanna get any more into that. But all of the Star Wars for TC talk that even like Mark Hamill is talking about now really comes down to people don't like seeing certain people in lead roles of major films. And that's a problem at a certain point, sexists, racists got a platform. Exact and it really came out in the last Jedi Aiden and solo suffered for it. It's a mediocre film at best, but it didn't deserve the bomb at the box office. So I I absolutely think that the most of the genuine dislike of the last Jedi comes for a big place. In that. So you, Jeff and me all think alike, but I don't wanna get into it. No obvious. There's there's no reason to into if you have a genuine critique of last year. I that is based on how it is art versus how it represents certain people. I've got problems with that movie for sure I think the Kanto bite sections of casino planet sections of the film are not as fleshed out as they should be. They don't raise as much they don't resonate with fan as much as it should for what he does later in the film. Yeah. So it's got a weakness. It's got weaknesses. I every can't rehash it really bully there. There are certain things that don't play into that fills general theme, which it's theme is so strong. But it doesn't do everything. But it's like two and a half hour movie. So how could it exactly? But no, racists, and sexists hate the last Jedi. Do they absolutely do? And they I'm going to take a brave stance on the podcast and say those people can fucking eat it. If if the reason why you don't like things is because of like, weird bigoted beliefs. You have the fuck off like the most weight with we have one. Listener like a big huge bigot. Then I'm sorry. What we're going to zero listeners fuck off. Ted actually Jeff listens. Is a bigot know what no Jeff listen to podcasts. So say my wife, anyway, they're not big. It's going to ask you about your wife. I was gonna say the most disappointing thing about fen is that I wanted more at love the stormtroopers for some reason. I love the aesthetic. I love like that. They're not clones. And they're not. They are brainwashed to a degree. I guess, but I wanted more of a stormtrooper perspective rather than him freaking out in the first battle and running away. Yeah. I thought we were going to get like a two sided story where like finish like in the stormtroopers trying to change things. Yeah. I get why you can't do that. Because in the end starwars good versus evil story. And you can't really have the moral gray. Area and the story like this. Yeah. That's where my disappointment for the character. You know? That's where it comes. I like what they did with him. The the force awakens to be fair in when I watched the versa, maybe genuinely excited that the idea that here's all I want all I've ever wanted from Star Wars day one as a child is I want to see a fucking stormtrooper with lightsaber. And I thought for a second. Yep. Was going to be in full stormtrooper armor with the late saber. And he'd be like Todd how to use it somehow, I guess, and I was so excited for that. But that's bad doesn't tell the story properly be fucking for some of these lightsaber like high always thought you'll have to turn it on your bad at it can turn it on if you were trained just like any sword based off deck, which I guess there aren't many in the Star Wars universe by were theoretically trained in a sore based combat while general grievous, you could be this fucking good at slight sabre shit. Yeah. Lightsaber seen four sensitive so the ship. The from what I understand from my limited reading extensive reading of the Senate universe. Lightsabres sabres are tricky for non force people to use because the waiting Zoll wrong because the blade ways nothing. So typically requires a certain inner peace of total control over your body and understanding of your surroundings to use a lightsaber effectively, which is what general grievous was good at them because he was a robot. Yeah. So so general Leia Ortega who she is forced sensitive. We've seen that time time again, she'd be okay with lightsaber or Donna not Ortega Tanga. Nobody's laya or take it. Tak-? It's like a taco sauce. Is that just a Spanish last night? Or yes. Or choose NAS fantastic knows whole time. Fortunately, not. What is it chancellor or Ghada in the first three? He's his actor is Hispanic. Yeah. Foot glue, Donald Phillips or something. No value that Zeta American men. You just made other native American, man. He's brilliant. What is the name of that show and long buyer occas super good at longmire? You just made a native Americas is the second time of misery st- so of this island Phillips, he think. Was moving kidding. Yeah. Okay. Listen kumail nangiani that is a Pakistani man. Yeah. Whereas Pakistan is we Pakistan e pockets look who's reserves new look who's friend anyways blown up right now star please don't read into that Jesus Christ. He's gonna be in three movies. He's in he's easing twilight zone episode with Jordan Peele. Well, those the Vichy watch that show. What were you saying? We're gonna Jesus Christ. Oh, she would be good of a lightsaber 'cause she's force sensitive. Yeah. She would be probably she was trained this certain amount of training after go through their room. Here's my real question. The whole reason brought up Star Wars the last rise of Djeddai. I don't even know what time we started. We way over. No. We just got to wrap up soon. We're going to wrap up soon. So in the rise of Skywalker is there room for a. A Phantom Menace battle droid. You know, you know, the droids Roger Roger Roger Roger is there room for one of then to have survived. Onto the may. I love them. So to be a main cared. Okay. So there's gonna be a standoff in the desert, and then let I was gonna say Ray Raya Ray activates Luke's late saber with Hans blaster raises it camera dramatically pants to reported at is a droid with two lights as savers. I I saw I bought recently. I bought battlefront two and my favorite absolute favorite things to play as the little standard journal leads with so good. There's there's via the option to just play as as a droid. I would they're one of the strongest designs Roger Roger Roger writer. They're so good. They're so stormtroopers, man. You don't what goes Star Wars trailers Djeddai fallen order. The jennifer. In order. Did you watch the trailer? I did what such 'cause it's for video. It's really good. It makes me I'm more excited for Star Wars fallen order than I am a for the new store, whereas 'cause that's really tremendously well-cut. It's got spider man in it. And what Tom Holland plays the main character. I really liked Tom Olin human person, we had Tom Holland is scanned for and performs the main character. So Tom Holland's in the stores movie. And also, it makes me believe until the very end with the late saber that the majority of this game will be you are someone who is forced sensitive, but does not necessarily use a light saber, which is a really cool idea. That's cool. Thank you could guide your house for blaster or you like force push pull, you still shoot. Like, you're still a soldier. But you know, how to use the force the forest does not get enough play in media because it's always lightsabres. But the force is a very cool. Concept of all the good play might knights of the old Republic. Yeah. In video game. Here's the thing about that trailer. You're very excited for I can tell there's no game play. That's fine. No, that's fine. See, I don't know if you know this about mount of the are fans knows about me. I'm what they call a gamer. Oh, so you like hate women. I'm a gamer. So I need to see some gate play or no preorder while. I'm what you like to call a casual which means you don't get all of all people races talk anymore. Blodget? I'm accepting of other things. I have turtle beach headphones. Oh, okay. Does that mean you really care about historical accuracy? But only when marginalize is women and minorities if you have a metal arm in World War. Now, I don't like his game her visiting more the game are bit get scary. How it does so quickly like pose law kicks into affect so quick. You know, those laws the Hitler one. No, no, that's Hitler's lives. Pose law is if you sat to riser parody, a group, the more you paired Eum, the closer to just representing their ideals. So it's harder to tell the difference between parody and reality. Yes. Hose law. Gamers are. It's a tough one. I I mean, I I like video gains, but let's not get into this. What are we? I can't I have not been able to read the time. And I don't I don't know when we started. I'm a tremendously good timekeeper. Because if you notice I typically, I'm the one who tries to get us to wrap up the podcast 'cause I noticed that we've gone for the required. Our and five to our in ten minutes. We've been pulling our. Fifteen for like a year straight. We'll guess what motherfucker where our and forty. We're actually at about an hour and five so this might be a shorty you wanna do short. I mean what else? Can we talk about? There was this thread that got the lead it off of the red dead redemption to read it where someone where someone posted a news someone close to story saying that like seventy five percent of what we typically considered to be Cowboys. We're either black or Mexican and a lot of it came out of like Mexican Viqueira culture. Yeah. They were talking about how red dead redemption to actually has representation problem because typically people who are African American rhetoric to are like in lesser positions or are the subject of somewhat racially charged storylines and everyone else's white and all of the comments where people being like, I don't care about historical accuracy in this game. It's it represents an ideal people that will. Asked it's just gamers being gamers here because like onset. It's really weird. Because you you rewind the clock not even five years ago in. Witcher three came out. And there was a lot of outcries. Why there's no representation for Africans in the Witcher three. And everyone's like, it's based data. Poland their word, Africans and Poland are you in Thane? But there were dragons the fantasy realm. So you could literally do whatever you want even like the polish developers, really? We we referred to polish history. We've been seeing any Africans history. But like that's the complete opposite Bing of what you just said. So don't buy cyberpunk twenty seventy seven or whatever. Well, there's no representation that I think that's problematic because then you're representing a future world where there is. No historical context. Also, if you make a fantasy world lose no reason not to representation because you could make these fantasy. Yeah. Like anything you could. I mean. Oblivion and moral than sky one. What are they called males scrolls? Like, they do weirdly words like, oh, yeah, they're the red guard. So no, here's a no one else. Here's a problem that goes back to like early ages dungeons and dragons race imparting bonuses to strength or it's really worrisome now again like people want to say. That's another thing about the Witcher's. Oh, there's no race things. But it's like every tiny thing is you got humans elves and dwarves like they're racist Representative different ways, not specifically. Really the Kate it subject in the Witcher three. There was a potion you could drink the turn Garrelt into a Pacific. It's not true. Big cry. Head you could through different potions, but you could never turn. How really been? Really weird. That'd be exclusionary. In the weirdest way. You can brew pushes that magically turn you into different races. But you can't be Chinese is that would be the who just informer racial exclusion. All I can say is I hope like I don't care about exclude like they shouldn't exclude people in video video games. Nobody games are predominantly black people. And then like, oh, there's no where the whites that's a real. Where's the white history? Problem. What I'm saying? Like, why hasn't that game company been we're gonna make a leap lack video listen, I'm gonna make I am going to start videogame company. Yeah. And I'm going to make a black mass. Black affect the blaxploitation film version of a video game. It's literally the same story. Everyone who every person please same voice actors. Bar. You're doing an impression here for sectors. Okay. So instead of Mark Meer and Jennifer HALE, you'll get like would you go famous with it. Would you get like Chris rock? And we'll here's the problem is like you have to go famous with it because the problem with the kind of cultural parochialism that I live in. And maybe it's just the things that I can SUV it's very hard for me to name POC voice actors, but I could name white voice actors all day, you know, it's very keep David has this with others from boys David in mass effect. All voices are Keith David. He was in mass effect is in sT Rose. I think four or three using seats were won. It was. Yeah. Because he's the leader of the saints. That's really funny 'cause like in one of them he plays himself. He's he's as Keith motherfucking. David amazing as great then this he three where you're the president. Yeah. Or? Four when the earth this exploded. I don't know, dude. Saints row goes crazy. You keep David David is every voice. It's a shame that we can only the one really is. That's just shows. I can I can name a couple voice actors who have played black people and has been really bad. That's bad yet. Can't get Clark. I can name a lot of like peo- seat actors like Yvette, Nicole, Brown and Wanda Sykes. You want me to keep you know. It's a necessary. I think that isn't that tokenism when you I hope not no I mean, I don't think wear engaging tokenism, but I wonder if like trying to flex knowledge of like how many the issue is representation other nut dishes, personal knowledge, but one of actual representation, which is why put black people in the Witcher. Well, the thing that we might be unintentionally gauging alive, a black friend. Yeah. Where it's like. Oh, yeah. I could name people of color voice actors here's which that doesn't actually demonstrate anything. Yeah. It's it's actually demonstrating quite the opposite. Because you're doing it in deference to what you what mos- maple no is common knowledge because the thing that we shouldn't. We should not be proud of. I can name PSE voice actors. We should be proud of anyone in society could name song. Yeah. Which is tough. So we're saying make Luke Skywalker black. Yeah. Made Carol black maze. Our recap we'll you're being replaced, Henry Cavill black. Maybe maybe somewhat too far. But I mean, that's the thing that people fight for right? That's the that's the reason why say people don't understand the efficacy of representation. Representation for the sake of representation has a place to increase cultural knowledge to be on par with what's already been like stayed in the staff. That's why representation for representations sake is not a bad thing in we every lead actor role for the next five years Edry Selva, and then we just move on. Yes. That's that's wrong. It's it's it's tough. It's a it's a tough thing to talk about because we are talking in place of relative ignorance where it's very easy for us to engage in things, racial, exceptionalism and tokenism Camille, non Johnny is going to be gotta love that little Indian. He's making a joke. He's going to be an a movie with Daya. But he's still. What is what's says? They've yeah. David Bory fame about east about pieces. Crepe david. Yeah. So he's gonna come GM. He's going to be the movie David can I give them a different first name. So it's easier for you to say, he's Dave. It's Dave Dave come on GM is going to be in a movie with Dave potties, cold stupor. Where come non Johnny plays an Uber driver? That's like the same thing as as cats the Middle Eastern, man as taxi driver, it's the modern equivalent. Yeah. I mean, I could definitely see that. But I mean, I think that alternately one thing that we have to defer to is if people of color or choosing certain roles Gators, maybe a certain faith assumption that they're not choosing harmful roles. But that's not always the safest option to make though. Honestly, like from hearing in Monte, only talk on certain mediums podcast excetera. He probably wouldn't just take any role. He wouldn't take harmful roles because he has spoken out about like a Z's on sorry that are really great at the soda master of non more. It's like could you be more Indian whole? No, why would I do that? And Camille, Johnny as voice similar things. So he's not trying to play it like the stereotype. So he probably took the world because they were also pro ching from a place where they. Were being harmful to the stereotype or anything like that. I just think like why can't he play the day, Batista? Why couldn't it be reversed? Yeah. I'd love to see Dave petits says Newburgh driver. Ultimately, some of that comes down to. I mean, I don't know who's producing that movie unless I produced, but Camille, non Johnny probably certain certain choices coming on producing certain choices come down to the character. And what casting director they choose that something that we have to look at for the conversation of representation for presentation sake because as long as it's much easier to imagine these roles it's much easier to cast these roles. Yeah, it's an impossible situation that we're decades away from even getting close to solving at that point. Global warming will have irreversibly changed the planet either that or the heat of the universe sets because Hollywood casting like people get mad about like a wording and media. If you look at Hollywood casting like that is a mine field. Oh Hollywood is so racist. Yeah. All would is racist and sexist to the degrade and is starting to get a little bit better. But only after it's been forcibly dragged into the light to be better. Play. The craziest stories come out like Livia wild was told to be you should be more. You should dress more attractive for your audition 's Olivia Wilde, like how do you that it just doesn't matter? I mean, it's insane. We can't solve over to white guys on a podcast. No one was since two people in power need to be replaced with younger people in power who look different than the current people in power do. And that's the theme of the rise of Skywalker. Yes. Maybe the last no not the last, you know, not. I mean, I guess that whole do, but then much really the example. And it's true raise this because she has purple hair polos, purple hair. She did the hyperspace thing that going, hyper dries and Yoda was movies and Yoda was like skywalk is teacher before strata of Bill. Bill Burr Bilberg comedian Bill Burr, Gilbert, voice Jota. I doesn't second thing is the dumbest thing you've ever said. It wasn't Frank. Surely, the puppet guy doctor us, no Frank made the puppets. You don't. Okay. Call me using that shot. Really? I thought it would be funny in this instance, because we're trying to be woke. But I think because we were trying to be woke we should probably going to sleep in the podcast of this podcast. Now, I know that I did the social media last time, I think he is your wife home. Well, let's check okay. Stay here. Adore was so closed. We've got a wife wife, Jamie. What is but I will shake fellow. Oh, you have a second. Mary Poppins shirt pushing really well. Harry potter. I love Harry. I want to figure out how we can incorporate Jamie into the podcast choosing. Who reads the social media again because I think it made you do like an eating meeting. My mo- thing last time, maybe, but I don't know how to do it again. We could do a number guessing game we could do. Or shifting on the couch, please excuse for. Let's technically a word from the life. This word from the wife. That's me. That's my wife. Let's see I mean dealer's choice Jamie who do you to do the social media podcast. Honestly, I feel like Henry has done it multiple times last time. He did allows. You've revealed secret that I'm not caught up with the latest episode. But we also can't just take turns. Because that's not interesting enough. Philip dragging this part out I'm gonna pick one item on our band. Weathervane? Judge milk jug. We have we have described this image in the past to the Fame's. So you're picking one item on this. I'm picking one item. And then if either view guests it you pick whether or not. If you win the game doesn't mean you have to do it. That means you can decide whether or not you want to pass. Okay. In either get it. Whoever is close closest improved. Okay. I I have picked you restrict no tros passing sign you turn okay witness. I see why I said rooster. The item. I picked was the bottom right of that set of six bowling ball. 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Best Of Week 122 - Barstool Drivetime

Barstool Radio with Dave Portnoy

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Best Of Week 122 - Barstool Drivetime

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A little bit of a mishmash of accrue today, David Portnoy up in Boston. I believe doing some meetings action rigs Bundu Google all week typical rigs as Boone and Frankie too. So what I say you said bond Dougal, which is pretty funny. Big time on Google and. Yeah. Frankie's out already to they're doing a Bethpage thing all week. I saw Frankie already got a VIP pass delivered with a butter knife inserted so good for Frankie nice there's going to be out at Borelli's to all week. That's how they met Bryce into Shambo today. Frankie looks pretty intimidated when he met him for the first time after all the shit's been talking about for the years, I wonder because, you know, it's not like meeting an NFL player that you've been talking shit about right? It's a pastel wearing newsboy cap wearing pencil, compass, measuring greens and spraying. Your golf ball, kind of nerd golfer to fellow white gap, like effectively, Frankie could theoretically take him. It's you know what I mean? Right. Like, and I know they have had him on the podcast before they phone interview with them, but it's different just seeing seeing them face to face. I just think is it's much easier to talk. People behind their backs and not to their believe it believe in Frankie shave advocate into which I don't think is a great intimidation factor. I'm glad he did. It's her facial hair was, it was a problem. Yeah. For a long time. What did you describe it as I, I had a couple choice sentences about it. I thought it looked like he was going through chemo only on its face. That was that was a tough. Look. I mean he had ball hair on his it was straight pubic hair, like he was just starting puberty on his face. You know, he was you ever see the jackass clip where they. Yeah. They pace the fuse and a whole terrorist, Dan rega-. Yeah. Great clinton's. Great click, not even sure if you could play that anymore in this day and age, you know what's funny. The guy that they hired to play the taxi driver. They were like, yeah, we hired an actor to play the taxi driver. It's the guy from broken lizard. He's a good actor. We've had them in here before he's a great hysterical. Actor he's, he's been in super troopers. He's been in all club. Dredd beer league. He's, he's the favorite beer fest. Yeah. He does like he's the guy who's really good blend quarters. You know, the Indian guy j Chandrasekhar whatever's familiar. Yeah. He's, he's a good actor and that clip if nobody's seen it before YouTube right now. It's. A whole laris old school jackass clip. But we gotta people in and out today myself, Tommy Francis. The start eight three three eight five seven eight six six five help you. Help us Dave's out rigs. He's bond do going. Nope. You help us call and a lot of things to talk about NBA NHL are getting a fulltime job. Good job. I are shouting him. I have no idea was not a full-time you'll make sense that the one of the most tenured and oldest people here would be time, but are a I guess he's been around since the mid two thousands writing Bruin stuff been one of the most original writers here at barstool finally in two thousand nineteen getting all the payroll fulltime. So shout out. All right. Yeah, congratulations to our a I've had nothing but wonderful experiences with him, including one. I won't say it would probably. Involves like drugs. Alright smokes and Noman something a little more. Okay. You can save it if you want. Yeah. I mean you probably should sell it. Well, no. I, I don't know. But I'll tell you this. If you think RA talks a lot sober. Who? Oh, god. I time I ever hung out with our a was after the eagles patriots game. I want to say two thousand fourteen hundred and fifteen when eagles upset the patriots, which if Kelly and I met RA out at, like eleven PM, just because I was in a joyful, bliss of happiness, and are a took me through the deep dark, soulless Aries a Southie, and all of a sudden it was like seventy Yup. I think one of the first times, I met him was at the pop punk concert September and he his pulled up to the green room and started like rolling blunt immediately. And that's all right. Pretty good doesn't care. Tommy, you're on this show, actually it does you're on the show every day. Correct. And smitty. You've been doing it a lot. Yeah. I don't know. What's going? Are you did. You also cousins this morning. I did you the cousins this morning? Wow. Wow. You were quite a topic of conversation on the cousins, so you get morning. I was yeah. Oh, is this offered between you two know each other? No, no. The two shores. I know it was more of a civil war, Bruin between barstool breakfast. No. I, I don't think I don't think that's there's a problem. Okay. Well, that's good. I think Willie. I mean, I've Willie certainly is like a big enough man did not give a shit about this sort of thing after a whole weekend elapses. I can't give myself that much credit. I'm never talking to him kind of two hours of dead air UT were on the same side kind of. Right. Why I was doing many. Yeah, I didn't know what the hell was. Going is sort of stood up for the cousins. Yeah. And then, you know it all gotten blown into bigger things. Willie's? Big thing today was that he was upset at you because you are defending the cousins he really thought that you guys should have been rider die bad boy. Yeah. He turned heel turn it into a loyalty thing. But that's just ridiculous. I mean 'cause we're where the loyalty like for me. My loyalty, there was to this company and to trying to make sure that our series radio channel is as good as it can be right. Like, I don't think one show needs to. Succeed by making another show fall. That's not how that should work. I think like Shokhin succeed on its own, there will be better shows than others. Of course, there will be shows that have bigger listenership, but at the same time, like I think we should all support each other and I don't try to I'm not trying to be some fucking communist radio host. Like you know, it's not like kindergarten shits. But like, you know, I don't think that's wrong. Yeah. No, no. I think it's actually. Right. And it was just like, you know, whatever I'm sure you know talk about it tomorrow. Yeah, it was just funny that, that out of all of that hoopla you got the most like collateral damage. It's like maybe what I stand by my position I feel good about the about the side that I took. And the way I acted, and I, I have no regrets about so eight three three five seven eight six six five. Both of you, Tommy and Francis, your booth game of thrones supporters, I would assume. Yes, yes, what are your overall thoughts about last evening? I loved it. I mean I wrote a blinding was one of the best episode they've done. I think the season overall has been disappointing but I think they did a lot, right? Last episode. I mean I know a lot of people are nitpicking different things, but I think just because doesn't go. Oh, how you expect it to go doesn't mean that it's good. And we've had two years for everyone to come up with their own theories of this. I wanted to go. This is how I wanted to go. But I mean you're not the writers of the show, the writers of the show, the show, they're going to do it the way they want to do it. And you just have to evaluate it based on that off evaluate based on how much it matches up with your own conceptions of how you think it should. Go doesn't just suck. The you have no control. Over over the story goes, no. I. That's why I stopped reading those choose your own adventure books. When I was twelve grew out of the IT that I was God. Yeah. I like I like those books, I would say if anybody here you are the one that probably did not grow out of the God face. I don't think I'm God. Get that the I don't know. But, but I look, Tommy makes a great point, which is that the writers have sort of put on blinders. It seems to the fan theories, which up to this point. Many of have been very kind of spot on like I heard that, you know, John was going to be the son of radar. Tar Garin, and that he was the rightful heir. I heard about that long before they revealed that in an episode because I think there was substantial hints and clues pointing that way from the books and all that stuff. So the show runners came against an incredibly difficult task which was that they were married to a narrative for four full seasons, right? Or four or five and following along from what George Martin had had given them as, as a firm blueprint, and then they had to branch off and I remember in that first season, thinking my God, you know, they're completely on their own now. Obviously, I think Georgia Martin is is a producer. He has a but they had to go it alone. And I think in the first season where they had to do it on their own to me that was like the best season which one, I think it was five when did, I was like the worst? When did they over eventually overcome or pass the books was I it was during season six I think there was like a little bit in season. Five and some summoned season six and season seven and eight have been all all all independent. Okay. So, yes. Season six right? Was about all the bastards. Yeah. Yeah. That to me is the best episode highlights. One, right. After that, to the and when bulls up the. Oh, yes, so good so good. And last night. Yeah. And last night. Yeah. I mean I I liked last night. I mean I know a lot of people are nipping different things. But now maybe fights will come in here later because we were arguing about it on the rundown. He thinks it was awful. I liked it a lot. I don't know. I think you know, the mad Queen not story arcs been there. Like if you look back, I think there's been signs of that her saying she gonna burn cities being power obsessed throughout the whole series. I think sources death was I know a lot of people wanted to more gruesome, death, the more satisfying death, but I think it made sense with like shoot always talked about, oh, the red keep will never fall. It was like the protector of her and her family, and then ended up collapsing. Right on top for and killing our I think Jamie how that satisfying finish where he got a good goodbye with Tyrian had like a hero moment where he kills your on. And then at the end of the day, the one thing that has driven him, the whole series is his love for C. Right. It goes back there dies in her arms. Still didn't really sacrifice too much of his moral competent doing anything wrong last episode. Besides go to. Which isn't like sin in itself, while incest is a sin. But you know what I mean, depending on which books you're right? New. It's not know but yeah, I don't know. I thought it was entertaining. I think it redeemed some of the mistakes earlier in the season and we're gonna complain and have their own takes. But I think those people are just have blinders on, because it doesn't fit what they expected it. But that doesn't mean it's right. I agree. And I think this show also we have to remember has the biggest audience almost of any show, I I've been alive for like short of. I dunno like friends, or network television, which, you know, is always this game of thrones every episodes of movie L mash, put asses in the seats but. All right. Nothing else was on. But I don't even think I was alive for mashes. So I'm talking about, like I'm talking about like shows that I watched in real time, where I was like, oh, I can't wait for the fucking series finale tonight, Seinfeld. It would be like, yeah right, right number. I remember watching breaking bad breaking bad like breaking bad lived up to it for me. But Nope, not even I don't know how many people watch the breaking bad finale. But I can't imagine it was as many as people. The I was big. But I don't think it was big. And this is like social media's bigger now than it's or has that whole phenomenon. I mean, this is the big this will probably be the biggest show in TV history when it's all said and done eighty three eight five seven eight six six five got a couple of callers on the line. We'll talk a little thrones. Bob, Bob from Dallas. We got up. So I call talk about something completely different. But now I'm completely worked up about something else. Doughnuts francis. You're so wrong. You're so wrong about when the show, took a turn like it's immediate from the writing, and I get it from a standpoint of you cannot create content when you're trying to write in the voices someone else, but it was season. Five, it definitely happens season five thinks change Tyrian became an idiot. Well, hold on a second. I, I didn't I actually said, if you remember, I said, I wasn't sure I was like, when did the books end when did they go on their own time, it was like, I think it was somewhere in season. Five definitely season six. And I was like, okay, so okay, normally sure why you're so angry about it. When I was not offering a flat on answer. It was on home at all. I didn't know I didn't know. And I don't think I said that I knew. Disagree to agree. No. That's okay. Going going. I got worked up go ahead Bobby, no. But that was it. So for me that was that was the moment like you can pay attention to it. Unfortunately, read it kind of ruins things for everybody. But there's a difference in writing now it sounds different Syrians, smart guy. He seems to come off like a blur on, I don't know, smokes. You might have more to say this with that. I don't parse of. Yeah. I don't totally like, oh, they I don't blame the writers. I don't blame the show honors. I blamed joy, Dr Martin because when they signed on db, I don't know how to be why softener, the hell the names are they signed on to adapt books to TV series and they were under the impression that the final set of books would be out by the time season seven and eight year old wrong. So I think it's unfair to them to you know they have this huge sprawling universe, and incredible stories that someone else, Dr Martin created, and it's up to them to tied up in, you know, to season to appreciated seasons of what fourteen total episodes told episodes. I think I think if you're going to criticize anyone like I've blamed ROY Dr Martin. For not finishing the books in time. But I think it's unfair to think just unfair to the show runners because it's someone else's story and it's so expansive that they have to wrap up, or I think it's unfair. They own to it or he owns to Jordan Martin has said that he is he was he's getting supported himself for not finishing the book sooner. Right. And they're still using his like the final plot points are hit like I'm sure it dinars going all mad Queen, and burn the city city is a Georgia Martin decision, like I think they he gave them the map of where the destinations are in there. They sort of pave their own paths along. And now he's going to croak without anybody. Knowing the Indian, here's a question for you guys about these writers, not know which way to go borrow these fantasies are out there. Could you guys know that these fanciers are out there and you have this much pressure on you, would you guys a able to not read them and be kind of be like, oh, shit. This one's better than what I have written. Shut change it around a little bit. Oh, see as, as a writer, I don't think I'd be what have. That kind of control. Well, first of all, first of all, I think that they finish the scripts for the season a year and a half ago or so shattered. Well, no, I know. Tax into this. Doc one shatter on the red. It's really elevates, the season, the series rolls out by that point. Everything's pretty locked in on fair enough, just because, like, you know, Johnny on Reddit wanted brand to be the night king like the script was already written Georgia Martin has already decided the story of who's what, what they can't change it based off fanciers, how interesting they meant here. So, so the fans theories come out early or late enough that they can't, yeah. I think for me a bigger question is, how do the fucking cast and the producers the makeup artists, the hundreds of extras hush not leak it. How does somebody who acted? How does Aaron Rodgers who is in that episode last night and the fucking equipment manager comes up, and he's like Erin? Tell me what happened and earns like, well, I love you, Johnny, and thanks so much for bringing me that my towels. Let's just say that I got burned. To death by dragon like how, how does that not happen? Well, I think people probably not air honors probably maybe doesn't know the whole plot ended up because that he's Chinese. But he knows. Aaron Rodgers Aaron Rodgers is getting a picture with the nearest with everybody. He's somebody who's in the know for appearing on that episode. How does he everyone is incredibly discrete Francis? You were in red dead redemption, to as an actor, correct? Yes. What if what if you broke that nondisclosure agreement? I the reason I didn't was because they told me they would take my money back. That was would wouldn't get sued afterwards. Inconsequential, you'd be removed from the game. And you would, I think, and I think you lose the money they pay you speak in which if anybody could find this ginger fuck in the game. I don't think we've found you really everyone knows point. Then a that's not a good sign. We had one hundred dollars. At one hundred dollar bounty on your head at one point five. I think someone kind of found you, you were in a party scene fireworks. There can't be that many of them in the game. What was your line? I was like, oh, it's starting something kinda cigar in my mouth is like I led a woman by the arm and over to the ledge of like, a, a big balcony, overlooking, the fireworks, display, I will say on the topic if you've ever seen me in a checkers burger commercial. Please let me know as well because I did shoot while I was in high school, and I gotta check that said. I was in. I was in it, but I can't find it. Tommy makes a great point. I have another point on top of that, if you ever seen me in a Humira commercial for back pain in arthritis, okay, I'm a I'm a, a lead in that. And I've been keep I've been getting paid by that, for that commercial for three years, and I've never seen it. I don't know if it's gone to area, what was your biggest your biggest job was the AT and T camello, the Hume euro one is that is the best you. You know what's probably like Aaron and Tibet. Right. But dude, here's here's the thing, it's like what happened was they shoot it, and then Humira such a big pharmaceutical company that they don't they have like a seventeen commercials in their queue that they plan to roll out and they shoot way in advance and commercials doing well they extend its run time. So the other ones get bumped down at bumped down. And in order to keep you as an actor from acting in other commercials and taking other commercials that treat similar fucking symptoms. Whether by other medicines, they have to pay, you a larger multiple of the sags scale, and this was a big commercial, two x sag scale commercial. So I was getting holding checks for three years. Every twelve weeks, I would get a residual holding check which said, hey, we were still planning to air. This do not go take a commercial for Viagra for Cialis for any number of. Arthritis medicines. Because the simple owner in the market, that they treat are, are rectal dysfunction, but it's also with arthritis and all these things top, it's been great. I almost don't want the commercial to air because they sending you these holding checks. And then once it airs, you get like one big chunk commercial check. And then it runs for toll twelve weeks. There you go. For my chuckers commercial, nothing. I would like to see that check commercial. Yeah, I was with just with my friends. I said, hey, these chicken tenders, and they said, here's twenty bucks and we'll, we'll send you a hundred bucks. If it airs, one of my friends got the check like the way the way was shot. There's no way, only he was in the commercial, like, we had to all be in it. But I've never I've spent more time googling checkers Berg commercials than I mean anyone anyone in the world Francis. Do you have any jobs coming up your thank you? That's why I'm here. Besides that. Break, I meant like actual real plug it anyway, though, because it feels awkward that I'm on here this long and I haven't mentioned it. Well, we're going to plug it after the pro KFI. We could log it after I'm talking Johnson. We're talking Francis at the Wilburn. This Friday to shows the league. That's right. Seven hundred eighty nine Forty-five come to either or both going to be the same thing and go to the Wilbur dot com right now to get your tickets now song about, like real jobs on this dance for me. Make me laugh. Well, I don't really take. I don't really go out for commercials anymore. You don't are you allowed to. I don't really know. I don't think so. I don't think I shoot commercials here, a true. You know, I remember Wigley I don't know if I'm allowed to do that. Yeah. We because I'm in the Screen Actors Guild. Commercials. We shoot are definitely non union commercial staffer bed hair loss commercial, I did for us like the pre roll for ably the lay. What's the big Roman for Roman? Yeah. Right. That, that, that wasn't a sad commercial. And I did it for free. And that is absolutely not union based on the fact that I pay union dues and I have, you know. Yeah, your scab. I mean yeah, they would. They would they would. That's one thing I distinctly remember during your barstool, all at all dish in is when you said, you had an agent in your part, union relatives each other we're just like oh Dave's not gonna like that. Any didn't jive remember Kevin brought that up thinking that it would like help me. He was like, I did five minutes to stand up, and then Kevin was like, oh, and we have we seen you in anything and he commercials, and I was like, oh, yeah, I just didn't AT and T commercial that aired, which was fun. I was like the lead. Now is the only actor in that. And and day was, like, don't like that. Don't like that one. Don't like that at all. That's not debut. Agents David agents, who don't want to get on his bad side with the agents, a couple more calls, eight three three five seven eight six six five getting back in the game of thrones Chattanooga Francis here. Pat from Louisville, we got that? Hey I shout. Thomas telling me that was a hell of a blog. Thank you. I'm getting big time mad online just because like people have questioning like having stupid. Ask questions, like why does the night king die? How isn't areas crazy? All. This is terrible. You enjoy the fucking show. Holy hell, yeah. I, I agree. I think, and then I do the Nike I was actually upset about, I still wish we got a little more backstory with from brand or something about what his history was. I know we've got some. But no, I think last night was just like, yeah, it's TV you got to set your expectations realized that, you know, it's six episodes, and they're trying to fit as much as they can. And once you realized that I think it's just I mean, it's hard to watch like when you compare that to things that are on TV like compare that to an episode of married with children or some shit like that, that was an hour and fifteen minutes. Just unreal. Like a movie night. So I don't know to me. It's one of the best things that's ever been on television. I agree. I just think I think people are just pitching to bitch, and get clicks and all that nonsense. Also, Francis, your game of thrones videos, get a lot of unsolicited. Hey, I think they're very funny. You're very talented, keep doing y'all shit. Thanks, buddy. Hey, let's address that really quick. So gas caz made some really good points throughout his, his time mentoring me. And one of them is that the way the first of all, like responses to videos on Instagram, the only way that anyone's going to get likes is by being contrary by saying the negative thing like fuck this, this isn't funny, barstools, falling apart whatever. Right. Or you can be funny or funnier. Yeah, but, but, but, like, if you're like, wow. That was great. Nobody's going to like that comment. Nobody's like oh yeah. Happy days. Good stuff. Right. Paulie docks or and or guests actually just tell us the GIO back my boy up over here. So he we put those up every Sunday crush. Crazy amount of you is created by the a lot of the people will start hating, but lately thing on Instagram and it's been like this cross the internet is the quicker, you can say something negative the in get one hundred people to like at the top comment, you end up getting followers, because people see your comments. So it's always just baiting to get to the top comment in, which is always negative response. His things are funny. I don't put it up there because I fucking like Francis, people know where I stand with Francis. I don't because I think it helps I think it's a fun. I think it's funny content, and I know it does. Well, so he gets burned for that. And that's why we you, you enjoy watching him get burned don't to comments can be funny at times. But, but I tell them the search search go down with few, and there's a lot of love. This one. This is the point he makes right. Which is which is very fair right on one of my videos. I'll get the best one. I had had like I don't know nine thousand comments, right? The top twenty comments or all versions of the same like this terror hilliers fuck this guy. Right. And then after that pale. It's like ninety percent of it is just people tagging their friends and sharing it, right? Which is good. And then ten percent of it is like this is hysterical. So out of nine thousand comments eight thousand nine hundred fifty of them are positive, and of them are negative, right? And I can see the problem is the only ones. People see are the fifty bad comments, which are point three percent. I yeah, I think for every negative comment just on the internet in general. There's nine other people that saw like denniston saying unless it's something that's genuinely bad game of thrones. In a bubble base. It's the same situation. Yes. My songs are a reflection of the episodes, and I can live with that. Because everytime, we post these things, I pick up like six thousand followers, not bad, so not to ransack the conversation. But since I'm in here and I'm I'm, I'm expecting a sewer job coming in anytime. I, I don't know if I want to address this head on what happened yesterday. The game we were wondering we have no idea why I might have just kicked something that put us off the air for like the last thirty seconds. We're good. Are we still alive? Speedy us drop the key. It's been a mess, but I want to hear what, what can you give us the whole time? I wanna make sure we, we were up there. Tommy payments. Steve Steve's tweeden about trying to actually don't know. I don't all I know is Dave tweeted remind me to destroy at sales guy number one, or she one. With no one sheet, destroy new call. I knew he wasn't gonna be because he's in Boston. And he has a meeting and stuff, but we went to the White House with Dave all weekend, gray weekend. Shout, dave. If you're listening, appreciate everything Atlantic City was, was well, interesting crowd, but. Flew up the boss, and he's like want to go to the game. He is someone following him around doing, like some story on him. So whatever. So we went to the bar beforehand to mingle with the with the common folk and pictures ear mould just in the Boston in Boston. So we went to the harp, and they're, they're had some friends, meet up anyways, we're crossing the street and they're filming him like backing up filling him walking into the garden and getting that shot of him with, like fence around him. And I'm going, I got invited basically to go to the game with him. He's not gonna take someone like a girl who the game and like end up on whatever this documentary, or whatever it is doing is going to be it. So it's like I'm gonna go my problem. Go the Bruins game, paulie plows back in the building was awesome show. Bruins six two. So then, we're crossing the street and I drifted to the left, like four feet out of the shot. And I was talking to a girl. And he went bananas fucking bring you out here to fuck and hang out with me to do this, and I look like a process streak going the game by myself, and like HBO is hot running it, and I'm like, I'm like, I kind of got pushed off to the side. But that was it, it was literally like two seconds and it just it gave them the in and I. Oh if I seventy two hours, I spent with this guy this week, and I gave them five seconds where he got an any just hammering me for it. So he wanted to talk about that, that was, basically what happened, I guess, in his mind, who was classic paulie, paulie. Whatever you will have been doing your job, where you should have been in his hip, was most of the time, dude, I was there, the whole time other than that five seconds, and he got it in the actually know whatever the only way to stay is all this time to stay. I've learned this, the only way to stay friends with Dave, and I don't know this from personal experience. I'm just saying from watching is to pitch a perfect game from the moment. Your in his presence to the moment you separate yet. It's true. Tommy knows this, this is why I had some steaks. I was alarmingly stupid for awhile. I'm one of the few people able to come out of a back. You weren't you were alarmingly stupid before you became part of team bright. Since then you gotta you gotta play a perfect game. We are over two for first break. We'll be right back with more how to pitch a perfect game day pour. Toi toi. Good afternoon. Welcome to barstool radio. Low Bill later addition today, five PM smitty with Tommy smokes gave his own a pizza review right now. Briggs that that's going to get Clinton's Aengus in here in a little bit. He's doing a little social media stuff talk about the Knicks getting their Dicks. Whipped out of them for what the twentieth straight year on draft night. I think tonight, maybe the things maybe the time thing, string, okay, we'll get into what I'm going to say. No, but well there's an eighty six percent chance that you're correct. And starting Reagan those balls like I mean, if the NBA has any integrity, they will rig it for the new year, we shall see. But thank you very much for joining us, our apologies for basically going dark all day for radio. I think watch only show was last show, and then not yak on the twelfth defies been best we have been at a sponsored event for a barstool field day like one of the news, I, I guess you just call it a field. Do they may caught him anything else in elementary? I always called the field. Yeah. I mean. Growing up. It was the most exciting day. The was early June. Got those talion ICES at the end of the day outside no classes, that this was a little different because we're at work, and it was raining outside our adults. Yeah. But other than that, but I didn't think it was fun. So it was it was fun, very interesting. We're not allowed to talk about the results. But there was a lot of contentious activity, a lot of surprises out there of how people acted I will say that I went into the field day attempting to do a never go. Full Harto video, like sometimes do, and I wasn't even close to the biggest Harto not own looks. And you didn't you weren't pretending people were just being genuine. Exactly, like I'm quote unquote a character. When I get like that people were quote unquote. I mean, of course, stopping us excuse, but people were going ape shit. Not in a good way like a couple people like kind of look differently at right now. Because they act like tough tits during the water balloon contest. Yeah, there was some there was some cheating. There was some controversy of yelling spider tough day. Got yelled at a lot. He was the ref and he was just getting pushed around the ring literally and figuratively. So, yeah, I mean, I'll probably come out next week or the week after. And it'll be it'll be entertaining v. Very very it'll be something. But or a is here as well. I believe we'll see if we can get him in here, but we'll start out. We'll draft talk. Tommy Knicks fan noted, and I'm not like. And I'm not gonna pretend to be the big Knicks fan in the world. But you might as well might as well start your biggest night. Right. I mean I live live living orchids cool when the Knicks are good. I don't watch religiously every game like I would with you know, the accuser the giants. But I yeah, I mean, I think tonight is going to set the tone for the franchise for the future. If you get the number one overall pick, either gets, I on and, you know, you just build around in for the future, you could trade for Anthony Davis. But no. In the next lock, they will probably. I mean there is as there's basically a fifty fifty chance that they're picking fifth or not picking fifth. So knowing the next look, the side of that Cohen will be that they picked, and we have big cleansing sitting down right now in Charles Oakley, jersey of all things, which is ironic is he's he's banned from the franchise. Sodi dorada. Yeah. I was everyone has like their little good luck charms. Eddie brought in his Kirk Hinrich ball. And I was like I don't have good luck charms. Because none of my teams give me good luck. So you have to have something that win stuff to have a good luck charm. So Charles Oakley was like a nets fan now, basically because he hates her owner. But where we have to rep the rep like this is the closest I've ever felt that having a good time as an ex fan was those nineties next. So I'm doing whatever I can to get some good juju on our side and their water fourteen fifteen percent with the sons and the caveat fourteen percent chance for the one pick eighty eighty six but like the best chances for the five and then the four because the way, the new the, the best thing to do is, you know, we had the lotto odds like you guys did when you guys were doing the process. But unfortunately, that is no longer the case. You guys rigged the system, and yes. Well, yes and no. We put ourselves in the best position. The Sixers to get the number one overall pick when I was a twenty five percent chance, but I believe they only have number one overall, pick, once Ben Simmons. Yeah. No traded up to get full. I got no problem with what the Sixers, I think. The Sixers did was right at throws me. I sure time he drove his crazy would win like three games in the last week of the season against like playoff games. You're like what are you doing right now? So the fact that we at least have a chance for the number one pick means something, and the office, I've never seen the office. So a buzz about anything like that's not like a Boston team. Like I was hugging Knicks fans today being ever sharing a moment, me and hubs shared a moment, me and hopes it usually editor this throats during baseball season were hugging each other in the middle of a field in Brooklyn and just like having a good time and talking about Zion Williamson. So one of my favorite sporting events of the year, and I say that on ironically, he'll do and no water and it's barely even like my favorite sporting events or this. I love the hotdog. Eating contest to trying to think like other on the NBA draft lottery is number one just and not even want to have a best interest and I just don't know. I just like like the idea, but I think each cool. Each team has a Representative. I like I like numbers too, just like probabilities, you like I'll tell you what you like you like the balls jiggling around and they're like, watching them. No. Not. Really? I like when they call it a hopper when they're like it's in the hopper. That's just like one of those phrases, it gets me going as long as it's never looked at sticks gives you package doing. I think we'll all be okay, I, I was saying can we put like dry ice in one of the ping pong balls to kind of, like insure then, like, every, this is such a dumb New Yorker thing that I'm saying here. But, like a reach a big cat given the middle this. That's the other thing is there's rivalry developing in the snake cat. And right by we have Jeff low taunting me with Cavaliers championship fan. Can anybody all Ohio team? I so he grew up. I believe in Canada kit, and his dad is from Ohio something along those lines. Okay. A Browns fan. I know he's a Browns fan true about baseball. We know it's not because he's a front runner if you're Cleveland fall out. That's a fact. So who would you rather have for offers while eight three three five seven eight six six five I'm going to call when I don't have a lot of time today. But talk field day draft, basically, whatever you want eight two three five seven eight six six five. If you had one choice Clem of having Kevin Durant, Anthony Davis, or the number one overall pick you had to choose one. What would it be Durant, just because I know what I'm getting with Durant. His best player in the ba- in, in the NBA he doesn't, but he doesn't have the injury questions with Davis and then with arm. We don't know what he's going to be. And I was actually talking to KFC about this earlier on the cab Rybeck. Like he's like, would you even just like Zion or Katie? And it's like do you trust the Knicks front office to build around Katie or Zayn? It's like ten years of Zion. I don't trust the Knicks doing anything ten years, but three years. Maybe we catch lightning in a bottle to a couple of moves. And then you just get the most talent we've seen this a million times in basketball. Right. Especially recently, I mean, I agree Kate, Katie, I think is the clear number one of those three that I think the bigger question is, if you do number one, overall, pick, do you trade it for Anthony Davis, I would say, no, personally, I just I like the idea of having man. No, it's crazy. Because as proven and you could say Zion ceiling basically is kind of Anthony Davis, but I don't know. I just love, I think the idea of Ziouani so hyped up. He so exciting like having him be your guy for, you know, maybe entire career to such an enticing prospect. I'm with you. I, I kinda like porzingas. That's the thing like I say, we've already botched the Kristaps Porzingis air that's already over New York. So I can't really put like my eggs in zion's bass can't can we can we find out why porzingas is getting attacked in Lafayette, for not being a Nick any more. Is that what that's why the Russians attacked? That's what I hear next time you hate to see it may. He's just a thug out in the club's doing his thing for me to who in the world can possibly be more safe than Christmas present gets in Latvia, ice. That's what I said. I said, John Winter, still, John, when John snow isn't getting snuffed and winter fell like you should be safe and lobby of and Liepaja is like this little town. It's not this like big crazy place went to lap. No big deal. And I know that stuff and. But Russians are crazy, though. That's the thing like that's the x factor. And all this. Yes. People. I mean, I would think KP has more power like the president of Lafayette, or whatever, whatever there is their prime minister whatever it's called. Exactly. I'm so surprised it's an actual country. Yeah. I mean Clem knows better than air. Do you ever? Glad you got beat up. Do you ever sit back at that guy? Do you ever sit back at night? And like think man, I went to Lafayette for guys just not here anymore. Yeah. That really hammered is the fact that he's not here. Like you said, and it's the only time I've ever been to Europe in my entire life. And. To some small eastern flock for seventy two hour in the out of the iron curtain. To Moscow I. And then when Salafi. One of my favorite memories of old school board. I get this stoke. It's cereal bars. Go, I guess, before we moved into the office Clem. Basically, it was your first like real big thing. Yeah, I got hired fulltime in November we went in February. So, yeah. So we pitched different things and sometimes it gets approved sometimes dozen Clem pitch to go to Latvia to do a what let's fine porzingus. Let's see. Where's hometown? Is some stool. He said it's Dave and Dave's like, hey, would you want to do it? And I said, sure, I'll do it. And then he's like, okay, here's hang on the Email, and that was our direction to book flights. Didn't give us anything. This wasn't with big daddy up. You know, credit card either. I'm doing this with, like an a picture. Henk sent me a picture of an American Express through facts, and that's how I booked our flights and it's just like crazy. And this isn't like PMT, one of the best producers around hang, this is straight out a weird haircut set being hired mayor mayor competing duct tape to the wall, and Hank and you to go over to this eastern European country. And, and Hank poor, Hank, you guys are in a hostile or something. And you just start screaming in your sleep. I have a little thing called night terrors. Sometimes we're, I've known to scream, and I woke up one night thinking that we missed our flight. And in my dream, I dream like we were in China to like we gone. We somehow ended up in China and Hank, Hank, we gotta go now thankfully, Hank was like up editing. The video at like two in the morning, but he was still kind of out of it. And when you see a giant man screaming at you at any time of day, it's pretty terrifying. Lot and hotel exactly he's we were in Switzerland. One time we backpack through Europe, like me, and five other guys after we graduated, and we're in Switzerland Geneva, staying at a hostel, and it was it wasn't like the worst hostile in the world. But it wasn't the best and we were staying in the same room which had like twelve bunks with it had to been like nobility from some African country. Like that's the best way, I can describe it, and prince Akeem I, I've no idea no idea. But they were they were dressed very nicely but they were staying in this hostile in our same. Room and. One of us had a bad snoring problem. And in the middle of the night at a nowhere because this guy was snoring. All we here's who's your who's your do. And all of us woke was that African that was it was it was it was something. And it was the scariest thing any of us ever heard our lives like we all shut up. Nobody was sleeping wide eyed the restaurant I it was fucking crazy. They hostels are probably a place where a lot of terrifying stories happy, you don't think it's gonna happen with a bunch of African nobility, you know, prince's and stuff, like they were all very nice, like I don't remember like there's a language barrier. I believe, but that just. Oh my God. I still have nightmares about that. We all thought we were ended up in freaking. Was that guy's name broad Rigas movie who did hostile or his buddy, ally, Roth? Yeah, my hold it I will say this, though. It is kind of nice that, that story is come out because whenever I travel, I realized that I'm in my own hotel room. So no one wants big Clem sharing hotel room with them anymore. So it's not the worst thing in the world, that I went up on the internet and became like a terrifying person room with is your wife just used to it. Oh, yeah. She's, she's used to it and she's like, just shut up and go to bed your home. Blah, blah. I've actually, as I lose weight, it stopped happening as much. So that's the good side of things or. Yeah. Hello. How are you losing, like your, your shed and every time we see it? I'm doing. All right. Kito diet is not too bad man. It's just if you don't understand if you liked carbs if you like bright or anything just even a little like five potato temperature ships, you're done. That's all you can happen. That's nothing else are there today. But once you get used to it just went to five guys, how's the bacon cheeseburger, and that's my fucking dinner, and I'm good with out bread or without Brad. Yeah. Without breath. So you do like a lettuce bond, or you could just eat it with forty minutes about this lettuce. What, what, how does that? It's just like a bunch of lettuce. You're just holding it in the middle of like a lettuce thing, and then you're eating the burger that way, let let us see the lettuce wrap. Right. Understand how good. Yeah. I mean, the thing is like, if you don't want to much lettuce you just took a four connive to it. So they also give all number. Tubers put lettuce between the Patty to or no. Yeah. You can you can get anything. I want to do you want to get crazy with it throw two pieces of lettuce, you'll be fine either way though. But I'm telling you man, if Keitel works for me, it's not for everyone, but it stops me from terrifying. My wife and now my kids will go on my bed like you mentioned, your dad wakes up, and he just like, oh, my God. Out Seattle and she's just like four year old just looking doa. Yeah. That'd be a great advertising campaign, you know diet. Stop the night terrorists up scaring the thing. Up to your family. Eight three three five seven eight six six five hundred hit a break, but in its up NBA draft night, terrors foreign abroad, stories and hostels wherever you, you got Clem, Tommy, smokes Midi. You'll be right back. Welcome back barstool radio. Yet, smitty time smokes. Clem the Clem report cleansing. Guess what do you go by now? Clement Durant is currently the the Twitter name cleansing is, is dead. Workday as is the real porzingas. I liked it. When porzingas did something bad. And people would just tweet at you suck comes as comes in my house, my favorite, I had no choice but to that one Clem report dead. I am the Clem report. That's just the, the handle got you. I will go back to Clem wants this summer is over likely in flames for the next. I will go just back to regular plan. I blocked porzingas. He's out of my life and to be honest. I couldn't be happier can ask her followed. You had to throw the. I'm sorry. Commute. Follow I will say this him and the other guy's name Duca dodge Don-Shik. Even know who you talk about. Watch out for those Mavs baby. Watch out for those masks. Do you think it was ki-? Do you think KP on? Do you think someone on his team followed you and then he was going through Twitter? And he was like, who the hell is this? I don't follow you or anything. It's the opposite where maybe he followed you and someone on his team liked to think that version Tommy, where am I bit him boat or or someone else? Yeah, yeah. I like to think you're version, where he filed me and someone in his camp did is probably one or the other. It was probably their him who did both or his camp? But I do know he knows me because someone said, hey, you know, love you. When are you going to be clemes? Oh, the big happy factor that saw. Ause like he knows me. Yes. Someone said they met him in person referred, you as big happy, fat guy or house like. That's a big difference. If you just say, no, the fat guy. You're just adding big happening back Homer Simpson memory of president, I like to remember things. Remember them? So that's how I'm going to choose to, to tell the story. I don't even care what he thinks about me is a guy he got snuffed that his in his own hometown. He did that he did. All right. Here's the here's yours. Looking good from Clem report that I like that. So we had a bit of a controversy in the office today. While we were at fueled day as we all know the office is under construction probably won't be done till two thousand and what Forty-six about that. Zeile retired by the time the off the end of the week or the or the some somewhere in between pizza control. And we, we the it will be the end of one week never specified, which we that is. And so we got workers in and out all the time, construction guys, I nobody's had any swerving issue whatsoever with anybody. Who's worked here? Everyone pretty much minds their business. But the Viva account, which is Tommy, I safe to say that you run it. Like so here's the thing when it started. It was it was mainly me. And then, like, since then there, I would joke. There's a lot of people have access to the account at this point, a lot of people really do have access they got. So I'd say, I don't want to say most, but a lot of the tweets are not me today was not made me out to field as it happened. So people are like responded to be like Tom, you rat. You snitch out this guy on its entrepreneurial. I was I was at a feel dead was not. So explain the tweet somebody took a picture of this construction guy. Absolutely taken a snooze are unfinished, barroom couch like the guys out cold. And I believe the quote, sweetie was office will be done soon, or something dot dot dot and usually that's the work of a snake notice. Tommy smokes Tommy snakes today. It was not, we just want to clear the air and say whatever 'cause I mean, like ever did, I mean, it's not like the worst thing is he a Lavaka sleep. All are you supposed to do that on the job? Like, I don't know. I. No. He's like union is giving mandatory break. I don't know. I mean, if it's lunch break, you could do whatever you want guess, but if you're on site. Yeah. I mean what I'm saying, like, I'm not I don't think the person whoever tweeted out. I'm not like oh, how could they do this till like this worker, like what this guy guy, just rate up? Go talk to Tori soprano, if you want to, you know talk to his four minutes he if he should be taken his brakes, right? Like that's kind of have to do is like, that's part of the perks of being construction worker. Sometimes you take a little break rest the eyelids, and people can say, like, oh, is in a guy go back in, in four pick up and take a snooze or something. But it's Manhattan, you can't go outside dogs. The big giant rat. That's probably outside protesting this company and taken that. No guy's got. It's got gotta sleep. I, I don't even I don't necessarily agree with it. I mean the guys guys passed out right in the middle the fucking office. I would I mean, he, he probably, he's probably had jobs before, we're maybe taking the nap on the job like an accounting firm or an insurance thing. And you know, no one said anything he doesn't realize where. It's like if you do anything here to stand out, and it's a thing there is a second guy that was taking a nap at the same time he was out of frame. It was more than one guy. He was. Knitted naptime for sure. Jesus was SS are on steroids. Bryce understand that reference. Well SR was time like you realize no u s SR was a time in like you'd member SR didn't I laughed, because I thought you were doing USSR jokers. No Lasry Leeson like my o'memory school was a time where you had silence. Disdain reading where you went and like a corner with a book and pretend to read, right? Just had naptime now. I think Nath naptime is a myth. I never had naptime as a kid. I feel like I've never heard of the class that naptime daycare. It's further people like me that throw the kids into daycare, and don't love him when this, I can't believe you don't know what s the SARS. That's come from different places things different things. Yes, the SARS silence of steam, sit down, shut up and read that was for the special kids. I think those are the special counsel, the rest of us actually special I absolutely destroy cloudy with a chance of meatballs every fucking time. I got how old are you? When you learn to read, like seventy s as early as I can remember the good Ed Cincinnati. That was good. That was good come out with you. I'm just wondering I was as a question. I wonder like 'cause I that's, that's Tommy snakes right there. Oh, here's RA RA, like doing some sort of weird sexual provocative move outside the glass while holding ten bags at once I want to say sexual provocative, he was just trying to get you frosting towards the glass, if he would like to come on. He's more than welcome. Fulltime RA. He's already he's loaded up on snacks. Now that he's a fulltime employees here, real quick. The craziest thing anybody as ever done in the office that did not work here was during the old office. When we had, like Thursday night, parties Thursday night for Jay, we had a delivery guy come in and just basically sit down and pretend like us like one of our member that just started eating everything, and there were people in and out different friends, you just sat there for like an hour. That's the problem every time I come here because obviously I'm not here often. So it's like there's ten employees every time I come here, and then there's in terms of stuff. So I didn't say anything to the guy, and I'm sure no one else everyone else in the same boat, even when you guys are here every day, right? Yeah. I mean, I don't know how this office will be. But I know in the old office you could have easily. If you were just a college kid, your average, look in college aged male and just brought a laptop in and dress. Normally you could've pretend to be in that place. Could have been shot up in the second. If I wasn't gonna take it there, but. Oh, yeah. You're not stopping any shooter from coming down that old office, this office. No, no, thank you, but old office like zero security whatsoever. But now, if all right, the, the security, perfect time talking about office shootings wonderful product to step into how the hell are you? Congratulations me these. Excellent. Do it. I couldn't be happier. I got to ditch deal fucking job and work Apostol waiting a long time to make it happen, tappan than I'm site. The be hitman happy for those, you don't know are a spin chiklis guy founder of the podcast old school. Bruins guy, he wrote a blog wa- yesterday. I believe, yeah. Monday, yeah. Very given is basically the entire history, everything go back Rita. Is now fulltime the longest tenured internship at Barcelona. Yeah, yeah, it, it took a while. But, you know, I kept my mouth shut kept bide my time and like you said, I'm sure chocolates helped out, chickens if you're not familiar, the world's number one hockey podcast, that me and Ryan, Whitney co-founded. Fateh big deal. Big deal, as we say, February sixteen debuted off, I pursued all debuts the first episodes, I guess. Tommy. Right. So, so a little bit after that, Dave listens. I was much surprised because he's not a big hockey guy. I'm sorry. He is now. He wasn't back then. And he said, hey, do. That's good. We want to add to the roster and we were like let's do it because that means add money and getting paid, we were doing it like we like Wayne in Goth before that, would, you know, we'd smoke a bone set my couch talk about hockey and, you know, people had a lichen toward, so we humming, along with, with Boston, you know, making good good DOE having fun. And then we added Paul business Debis's in it and style was like, adding about five thousand CC's at testosterone to the cheeks and bugging, boom. Why it took the show from here to way up here and we just haven't stopped since it's been, I really didn't have any expectations. But to the level where I mean, for example, I was at the Bruins game a couple of weeks ago and guy in the Ovadia turns next, muses AR aid sticks in the CEO. And it's fucking mighty Saint Louis. You know what I mean? Like Twala famous like this shit's crazy that it happened. So, but, you know, I'm enjoying it and we're keeping on fucking keep on Rockin. Yeah, that's good. That's good stuff. So you started writing for barstool and what year. I you know. I'm going to trash the Dev nest a little bit here. I if they didn't fuck everything up to the extent they did. I could tell you the exact date. I know it was some time December seven. And I can't I can't even find any of them. And what sucks toe is the Stanley Cup run up. She's going to jump void. I wrote mail is probably my best work like stand up five in the morning right in playoff blogs all gone. I can't even access them anymore. But anyways, I started December seven, and, yeah, I actually for the season. The Bruins won the Cup. Twenty ten eleven I actually got a press pass that year. I imply for credentials in behold, the, you know, a lot of the guys in the office of boscell pencil, they approved me for the first year. They don't give anybody like the hot plastic idea that, you know, the regular beat guys get, you know, basically, make sure you're not a pack ahead. You know how to behave in the press box and in the locker room, which, you know, I did find, Well, I, I managed to get in the locker room for the Bruins. Won this daily not managed to get in. That's a misconception. I had a press pass. It'd be there but they let me stay like they didn't boot me out, like everyone else, kind of left, and I think people had stories defile and like shuttles to catch. I really had nothing to do with it. Bill back to my hotel room and it was crazy, like there was one pot. It no one. Recorded it. No one taped it. And all of a sudden, like saying, come in they shut the door now, it's literally everybody in this room is Bruins employees are a play. It's me. I'm just sitting there sipping on my Bud Light with the new Stanley Cup champions logo on and they start singing. We are the champions and talk about boost bump city nobody taped it. It's not on the behind the scenes things because it was so impromptu known that was coming. So it's almost like glad no-one taped it because it's like this is like moment we all had together. Yeah. So I that was the championship yet, twenty eleven and yeah, I still, I still get the credential from the bronze day. They've been very generous to me over the is awesome about that championship. You're in you're in the press room during the conference. And you ask a question, and I still remember like barstool which, so like old school so small that was like the biggest most national barstool move at the time. Everyone's really quiet. And I forget, who you're talking to all of a sudden you really hear this deep, south DeVos. Argonne hawks. Yeah. Really like holy shit, too. I didn't people think I crashed at which no, I, I had the press bass, I was supposed to be there. It was funny because I, I don't know if this was the first year they did it. But after team wins the Stanley Cup, I it's actually a really good idea what they do is they just let all the press, come on the ice in do all the Prestia that with a cramp locker room and jockeying for position. You actually get a chance to talk to a lot more guys. It's actually a really good idea. So I was on the ice. I wasn't doing it to us guys in the team, I knew I was taking pitches with I had a yellow and black plaid shirt on real real fucking Homa. I wo- that in the press bugs, but I had a Bruin shirt underneath Sola when they won. I bought it. So I'd go to fans alike. Banging on the glass door a lot of Bruins fans there. So I stayed on the ice as long as I could I'm like, what am I going to get to do this again on the ice after my team wins the Cup? So I just stayed and stayed and stayed finally like the last play went off and I walked into the arena back with the locker rooms out Tim Thomas watt by the goalie and he, he takes off his just taken off his game shirt, like the t shirt he wisdom teeth put the champion shirt. Brian. Do you have a message for the fans waving a long time for this? Even waiting a long time. But you got it you want good fucking question as well. That was a good. Like that's something you'd wanna here's a fan. Well, exactly like I mean, I know some people criticize me eight three fucking y'all. Screw school newspaper question. I'm like licking on the as a pin. Like I'm the I saw myself as the conduit from Tim Thomas to everybody back in New England listening because we've been waiting a long time. And, and next day it led off fucking ESPN, and I was like, well, I guess, wasn't that fucking dumb question, so, yeah, I fight off the question, and I gave them a money because nobody else remembers any other questions or answers from that for, and it was all over the place. And then, and then I went to the locker room after and it was just I mean you sitting there drinking team that just won the title. I mean it stuff like beyond bucket list, off it just something I never even imagined, then it's so much symmetry to it too, because when they the one thousand nine hundred seventy one seventy two season which was the prior Stanley Cup. My parents still married back then they were season. Ticket holders for the Bruins. My mom got pregnant with me in August of nineteen. Seventy one so I just hated during the course of the seventy one seventy two season. She went to haul there were three games at the Boston Garden, that yet actually clinched right across the street that yet, but the games one two and five. My mother was overdue with me out to here at the garden, no doubt guy, Kassim biz and Chuck some shit. And yeah. So I always tell people I was there the last time they want it, but I just had obstructive seats, you know. Yeah, I just stated during the seventy two cups, he's and that's a quote, right? Put that up the executive. I just stated that's a Twitter bio five ever heard so. Yeah. So it's kind of weird, this kind of, I'm not a big can cosmos guy, but it's kind of, you know, like parents like, like said, I I've became too during that season was out all those games including the Cup and then to be the next time they wanted. I, I, I was right. My blog dot night. Not gonna lie a little emotional type in that one because, you know, probably because my parents are divorced berry tapped into summit in meat. But it was it was a great trip in. Yeah. I obviously hadn't blocked as much lately, because I, I had to get a day job early in the and we can talk about it now early. My father's, I was, you know, unemployed married mortgage, the whole no kids, thankfully, but I had a fucking. I, I had a small investment company with which people call it invest on splits futures naming games that night. The results go on fortunately, the economy wives kids deadbeats would have I you know, the. The that business went belly up. So I had to go back to work, man. I've a friend that was fucking public school stories. I did you ain't to get rich. It's not a fucking glorious work, but you get your insurance you benny's all that shit. I needed I had back to work. So I took that gig, but it sat my fucking time and energy from blogging much anyone, you know, when you get in from work, it's like I'm what am I gonna watch Bruins? Two hours a DVI's till five in the one and two blog it, you know. Sit not really get much other than the blog Laurie flirt. So it's like fuck man it was it was tough to really get up for blogs. But on the meantime, I kept the list, a mile long stuff 'cause I was hoping this day would come like we're I'm back the full steam blogging, and I'm gonna fucking crush it. Man. I can't wait. I got a lot of now TV movies. I mean I'm gonna write a lot more than hockey man. They, you know, Clem those into so much more than hockey and I wanna share that recommendations. I'm going to get back and just I'm looking for full. It's doing a little fucking. I ju- what's her name, fuck and polic- on the on the block? Dragon fire burn the place was running New York. You know, the blog in RAB like I have a freshman in their free. I'm like, oh boy. And it'd be, you know, eight thousand word you know about some move like RA coming in with the heat. So happy to have you fulltime. Yeah. I'm psyched to get back to to blogging on, on a regular basis again. So I was under the impression that you were full time up until this point, and was. I mean obviously weren't actually can intern. What was your part time or? Yeah. I mean until checkups is I just really a contributed. I mean I would just block. You know, but however much. I wanna now of course, when I started it was way, different. Like I mean Dave Okay'd every single blog that went up, and Dave wasn't the biggest Bruins guy when I started. So, like I would I would this is also I was right. One blog a week. He wouldn't put up like four thirty on a Friday. And I was like, Dave, I goes people want Monday. Yeah. David surprise clamoring for this and he just wasn't like, well, we we'd bought heads frequently, but, you know, it was slow getting a lot more stuff up there then. Yeah, basically, I was a contributor, then when chick, let's come along. That's basically when I when, when the dose dotted coming in. So, and then, you know, I I was hoping like say conflict, too, is I just, you know, when you work fifty hours a week and other job, it's tough to get blogging, and as well. So but that will be doing that. I'll probably be coming down pitching on the radio in. It's obviously, it might want to get used to me from what I've been told so no it's great. What, what do you think? That's it's going to be a tough one man. The Bruins, you know, they're going to face Carolina's. Toughest putt punch of the season theory there a team battles back that when one of the hallmarks this season they played like the coach played rod Brindamour that's guy who gave you one hundred percent every night. Carolina had an awful game last game. I'm expecting a much better outcome from them tonight. But I'm not going to bet them. It's still Bruins. I also have I have future tickets on both of them to win this daily Cup. So it's kind of flu. Stephen bet anything in the series. But I'm a degenerate. So naturally, I will plus that put me on the twits room with that fucking lunatic Mati mush tonight to. So got I'm going to need some kind of action. I've leaned toward the end the right now. Tommy, I know art, what's already? But I'm not sure I haven't I haven't asked him yet. I got off the find out but I'm leaning toward the under. I know people hate bet in the end the but I don't know. It's it's not an elimination game. But if Carolina goes down three nothing they'd probably to-. So, like I said, I'm expecting the best punch tonight Rask has been outstanding goaltender the wife of the Bruins he probably won't give up more than two goals. Carolina's goal is probably a bit of a wild cod Kurtis McLean. He's been a lifetime lifetime basically career backup, but he had the best year career this year. He's been outstanding when when used in the playoffs. So is the game of his life. He's probably probably salivate and the room right now thirty five year old like I said, journeyman backup naive starting game three Eastern Conference finals. So we'll probably gonna get his best punch as well. So, you know, one not two one three one game wouldn't surprise me and make sure you tune into that tonight. We're using the twin for the first time are I gotta rules for you for the twitch. No. Nipples Dube's beak up, bro. You ain't seen me. Put my titties. That'll be on tonight. Also, we are live streaming of lottery, myself clam. Let's camera podcast. We've got a lot of a lot of people are people in the action for that. We're, we're due for a break. I see your calls we're going to get to them. But if you want to call in eight thirty three five seven eight six six five. We'll be right back. Right now, a butcher box is offering new members a free ultimate barbecue bundle. 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He might be back might not fax rigs e is at Bethpage Black bundling, but working hard, good one two punch their talking during the break about Tommy smokes and nice little, we'll video again today seems like everything you release granted once a week once every other week, it's like high quality, viral Terrel. Thank you. I appreciate that. I try I try to go quality over quantity. That's very good. He's, he's the only person in this room to be parodied by Saturday Night Live. That's a fact. That's far as we know as. Yeah. You're saying if you watch the video, you're doing a very fine job of personality and other people can't explain what the video was. Yeah. So it was a prank. Call video for Yamaha. We have new conference or phone trying to think the exact wording I was told us phone speakers for the office for conference calls, and they were like the brand content rob because I can be funny idea, if you do prank call so he did it took, like I can take a half hour shoot took ended up like two hours, because people are just not answering their cell phones. You're just using different people's phones, from the business for hoping that they wouldn't have the number. But so it would look legit. But like one guy was from Alabama, so nobody's answering Alabama calls, and then we found a Boston number so people sort of answer that I just pretended to be different people, depending on what it was one was White Sox, Dave. So they were like set up where they had their own. They had their own speaker there like as part of the video. But I mean white Dave didn't know that I was pretending to be Kravis, and I call I told I was like there's no way he's gonna believe me. I know he's not. The brightest guy. That there's any chance he's gonna think Jared, I don't sound like them and then like fifteen seconds, and I could see he bought and I was like, oh, my God, which is great. He knows something's afoot. He's like they wanna fill McConnell, with me, and Jerry, of course they do right now, they don't to be on these Yamaha. Yeah. The drink Frances is one of the play the Francis ego. Let them know because I knew he would probably buy it with the comedy special coming up. And then when I broke it to a math teacher he was cool about it. I know people like did he wanna murder you, but it was cool about, he, he said, I was expecting some calls from radio stations in Boston to come promote my show, but it ended up being me. Houses, and then KFC KFC actually tweeted about it last week. He was like I just got a prank call from someone that pretend to be action Bronson and that was me. Tell when he tweeted, I told them after he tweeted action Bronson voice right now actually brought some voice. Yeah. But how do you know I didn't pretend to be extra? Brought pretend to be axed Rothmans agent Joshua Eliot. I'm action Bronson's agent here. But actually tweet it out that clip the clip from the video of just the action. Bronson KFC part and I tagged action Bronson and he or someone on his team like the tweet. So maybe that that bridge is being there you go mended. Yeah. Clancey. Yes, this is Joshua Elliott time work with action. Bronson, I'm as manager actually and obviously, we Nola bunch of Steph went awry when he was in a few weeks ago, but we'd love to actually come back and and do it again. I'm sorry. Oh shit. If you feel to I'm sorry, awkward of sure, it'll be a little bit awkward, but I was certainly down to do it. We used to have a list of a few things, we'd like you to nine suck Sean, if that's all goes face kill on the list, immigration policy, just former suitable drug prices, he has some really strong controversial takes. No. That was good on industrial revolution. Beijing Olympics try I tried to start off real. Can take it to another say. So you got a couple of marks you tried to call me, but you called me from a Ben Loggins number who I have. And the only reason I did pick up like his last name. Giulio joy. The only reason I picked up. I was like, what is this spice rake like calling me for this? Wave route. Consider what does he? He's vice where manager pretty time. Okay. He's viceroy. It'd be yes, he's done stuff from me, for for gains is on my desk. He's like calling me. He's like this fucking wants to talk me. Just come over my big time. Big time I was like in the middle of doing a couple of things become you. No, no. Not at all. I left a voicemail for you. But my angle for smitty was, I was a third grade teacher down at seventeen in our class was huge smitty game. Girl in the office, and we were gonna come just talk to him about. Come toward the office, the other ones, I couldn't use. There was or that just because they didn't answer didn't make the cut Casey, I told ours with the Boston magazine doing a profile and the top Boston sports fan from the city. Trou- plus rigs is going to be something where he was going to be invited to play in the celebrity golf tournament in Las Vegas. Obviously not true. Think. People. Person. Hank had. So Hank was going to be with an animal society, on thirty ninth street thing we had to his two cats ready for adoption. Mush mush? I was this most answered so some how much was the only person to realize something was up and he didn't like play along mush. I told them that I was Gavin Whitmore with Thomas. Productions production company that he used with house of cards because most of the house of cards, Kevin Connolly had a new series starting TNT, and he would love much to make a cameo because only. So, yeah, those are the other ones. Ellie ellie. I was going to tell her I was, hey, this is Lance, we met at the bar and February, and then I was gonna read or one of her tweets and just it was about me. I think those are the main, but otherwise biggest insecurity. I don't think people know this Robbie fell victim to vicious when I started by the one and only Adam for own way back when you have Ron called me and said he was from Bleacher any, like wanted to hire me from barstool. And I was just like how weird is that? So I went to Erica. David. Hey, just so, you know, stran- hire me chest puffed out. Yeah. I'm just learning that, that was, I remember that I remember you talking about that. Erica went off on the Bleacher pork guy because he used a real name. Tommy Erica was like fuck that guy had fucking lunch with two weeks ago, tried to put me down like this, and then I felt horrible because I was like Erik might have just burned bridge because I didn't realize getting wrinkled by Roan, but run smart guys very good. Bring caller. Yeah. Rob. The first week or two. We moved into the office, I got a DM from Kevin Clancy's, same name, same photo. Same everything, like handle amount of followers. Probably. And it was very it was very casual just saying, hey, pop up the green screen more night, if you want to bring your baseball, pants and jersey and natural. Thing you know, from green screaming like, oh, sure no problem. So we just moved to New York impact all my boxes. Look, if my fucking baseball pants come in. Next day, have it already to go all dressed up. I'm like we doing this things the fuck you. It's like black. Go back and I'm just saying just the guy to shake. Troll. That's the way troll. Like Lenny Dykstra, getting. Torius that went awry, office was Dykstra, felt bad for that. And of course, you got the big f- prank where you got cats coming into the office. I worked out, well for one of my favorite, like hiring stories on the big got trolled by fake paulie docs accounts, who is a couch text just attacks. It's marine Maureen. Number one. Come on to our come up to New York for an interview in the vice released big f so himself coming to the office and plane ticket. Yeah. He was like my chance to job. And Dave was just like, you know, at the fact that you just out of pocket where like so eager to get here, like blew up in the Michigan viceroys face. Yeah. Yeah. Michigan vice. State. Yeah. So that's why they did it the greatest ever back back video on you just change your life for the better in the morning. You have big he's outside the office before goes into goes, here we go. Life's about the chain three come true. Always chase you. Like five hours later you boy. No interview. Good for big f. It's good for big eh couple of calls online, eight three three seven six five. We're talking NBA draft lottery by last night's game pranks and pranks had in your offices or any of style GIC things. You wanna talk about that we forgot go ahead right now. Georgia, Colton from Georgia. Got. Everytime. Not really go at it here. You. All. Oh, ubstantially. Pizza shifts questions for Tyler tell your land guy, right? Born Georgia or just. Little Ican skirting five five. Watch out. I big hawks ga is there any fucking hope from hawks. I mean this draft lottery did broke my fucking heart four and a ten horrible horrible drive. We got shit on this. I mean but it's just like typical I'm from Georgia dogs fans talking fan. I don't even know what fuck a championship is off the bid. What, what the fuck is that? I was wondering. This Alanna have any spoken shot ever and anything. The hawk are United just just cut down the nets. Thrashers. Boy thrasher. Yeah. They're yeah. They're good. Like what seven years ago when they actually had a teams? More than that the brain. I think the Braves have the chance to win. You've got a good young core. They wanna e slash Cuna got him signed, I think they'll be happy for that hawks. I don't see it man like this big if they got Zion this was their chance to get in the mix now. Like the six ten pick, unless you name all of them. Oh. Hawks, like, number one or two seed, like three years ago. Why? Cow Kover lead if oh yeah, I remember their account on. That's w and hogs after everyone Jeff Teague it was, or for their starting five one, the player the moth. Carol demark. Okay. And, and LeBron rolled them. And that was Scala Mike Nelson finest those quite accrue rag stars shine, so bright yellow fucking role. Got ugly a lot of people compare and it's only been one game obviously, but this Portland Golden State series to that. I don't I don't think they'll get role that bed gonna lose. I don't think they'll get right? What's not role that bad, so less than I don't think Portland gets at least a game and they were like comfortably down ten like would jump to five? Was like blown open thirty. Right. Okay. So Portland Mike extended to game five that's not a weapon. It's like you get this non Durant games one or two. If you can get one of your home games, three or four, what's exactly what's Durant's deal. Right now is he still gained game? I wouldn't play them to we were like down to one in the series or down magin winning. They'll probably find splitting without around. But now the finals like if they go up Tuesday by Kennedy he'd come back this just amazing. They have Andrea Dolon Andrew bogut starting and granted applying starters minutes happen. Starring just doesn't matter. She knows this. Good outside very very program. What's, what's our thoughts onto nights? Little bucks. Little raptors the bucks when big yet. Thanks, huge. Raptors. Right. After two gonna win the series. Plus two fifty the raptors. Went to the line tonight, is six and a half. Raptors game seven obviously bucks. Little bit arrest in two weeks. It feels like they made a late eighties. Back. Why do you think the rafters really can do it? Just why I think like they think early and I think they played like if you have a y you have a chance, he's I can match whatever anybody else in the league do nobody's down that nobody's, and like Siaka. Gms start like Saul will be row. Clears jackson. Jack, I think, oh, gee might come if they make the finals. I think oh gee will be back. So it's like they've been doing all this without. Nice bench piece like just that deep and they're still have been easy. Now he's he's. Jeez. Yeah, he is at average to good average. They're sick and best player anymore. Now with the fourth best player, definitely per se. I do think Toronto's far competent and capable of taking advantage of the one thing, the Celtics fucking refused to take advantage of, and that's when. Well, you know, when miratec and fucking Ilias over on the court together, like they'll be able to write like the bucks, wouldn't like the Celtics would never blow it. Robbie fox. Fox point. That's right. The Celtics refused. We set it every fucking after every game like that's when you have you. Yeah. You have to build a lead, so that when beyond comes back like they're playing catch up if they're keeping it even which I think Toronto. I don't think every game but I think they are capable of taking advantage of that. That's why I could see it being. Yeah, I just don't see a why playing at an elite God level against the bucks. Like he did the Sixers for I would. I would I get them out rule it out. But I would definitely counted against him. Do they have a better individual defender? Wrote a possibility. But I'd say there's a nine small probable. Nine percent changes and I got for five bucks today, having any individuals defender better than like Simmons or ler. Like, that's no. I'm just saying. Middleton might be better than Butler defensively. Honestly. I'm just saying that Kuwiat like against the Sixers e series isn't going to hit eighty percent of his open shots. Do we? I don't think he can. I don't think you can maintain that type of guys like y'all have him to throw on Janas and again. Janas the honest look Hawaii to time evens player of the year. So we don't know how that will take them, couldn't slow down Yoenis. It was shocking. We were all showing a gas, Stephen ripe up my jaw hit the floor. I know you've been yelling above his hammer and that before you came in here. We got a call. I mean you're a knick fan ever. You want kyri and, and Katie compressed it, I do not want kyri. Okay. Hi, res bitch. He stay in Boston, he'd go anywhere, but New York I do want Katie, this limb reaper want him to come to New York. I, I wanted to I don't care if he doesn't like to name, we're in New York. Now you gotta deal with New York media. This is New York media, slim reaper heating, come to Madison Square Garden. He needs to prove it prove that you're good. Basketball player win a title in New York, give me a list of players who have improved it all. Title look around. Serving Larry Bird, Mike Jordan Barkley Barkley Chamberlain Dunkin Robbie has that New York actu- that same caller was like, I don't want it because we're just gonna turn on him. And I said, good. Like we love to turn on people love it. We love it. It's a win win. Either either we get the present when a championship, or we just get the Phil fi Nello exact fuck him. He I was saying, I was thinking when if mellow had just left, I think they would have been like wide you leave. But I think the fact that he signed that extension and then stunk is white people really turned ended. Lin sanity famously in two thousand twelve came back from injury was definitely not the heat it was mellow who ended lindzen. I'm pretty sure. To not only after that. Yeah. Jeremy Lin my favorite Nick volt, obviously did the orange here in the orange, I would take heartbeat on the raptors. So many. Different any minutes for advanced they have that option. Goes down right? Yes. Okay. That's understood. We're gonna hit a break. We'll be right back. Eight three three five seventy six five. If you wanna call in see after the break, good afternoon, and welcome to barstool radio your Thursday edition. I'm smitty. It's a puck day, baby. We got our a good Nellie. Marina, in the house. Tommy smokes is coming later. Sa- quick update. David Portnoy in Boston right now. I think pints for Pete is tonight, all rate event that great guy better. 'cause rigs is start Bethpage. He will be calling in giving us up date. But what you see is what you got. Right now, Dave did say he will be back tomorrow, so Mark that one down Dc Dave will be back tomorrow. What happened fucked Bino like, well point but we're here right now, it's kinda shit show in here on pre sure it's been talked about another shows we're getting a mural painted. Are you on this mural here? I am am Sam, my on this mural. Make the cut. Yeah, I'm going to say no say Sam the lovely artists here. He painted the astronaut logo kind of the video MTV musical ward, astronaut holding a barstool flag Casey radio studio. He was commissioned to do a mural in the Sirius radio station background, and as I can see we got on some sort of pillar. I don't think we want to spoil it. I know what it is. I'm not going to spoil. It hasn't been out there yet. I mean, we tweet did and it's a pretty clinic photo. Yeah. It's a great. It's a great imagers about seven or eight people on there. I am not one of them. I'm pretty sure you can take a guess, and to see who is I will say Nate is not on there. There would have been. There would have been something to say if he was Sam. You should put them in Dave's front pocket. Or maybe just like put a parrot up there. One hundred put put ghost me in the background somewhere. We'll see about that, but since porn whiskey in Peyton right behind us. I'm going to be what a life. Yeah. We're gonna be hiring fumes that a little bit. And not that there's anything wrong that, but boys and gal talk a little pocket. Absolutely. That's get to it. What the fuck happened last night, that was insane. It was something it was something if you guys want to explain what happened 'cause I can't. I mean, we were recording. So we were watching live. So we didn't really have a great. I look at it. I mean, we were all kind of wait, what just happened there. And then as the play went on it was so evident that Meyer. I mean, hand passed it over to them. Well first of all, what a fucking comeback by the blues. Yeah, I mean, that was just Taneja all the way through their down to nothing down three one and all of a sudden into the second four three tied it up. And then you get that little call. I mean that's huge come back from two separate two-goal deficits get back in the game look like they're winning again. But. We've been talking about ad nauseam on the podcast, but Logan Chua performance. He's putting on I start tweeted, I meant to retweeted they statistically broke down his goals. Like what percent of the game? Win is game ties. I you know, he's probably the timeliest playoff goal score in history. I like because of when he goes eight game winners. Yeah, I mean eight and to overtime that's insane. It's just someone who rises to the occasion. We we've seen it in other sports. I mean obviously that guy number twelve into England say his name, but another apparent Katchouro Brady, but I'm saying he rises, when the, the case, the occasion me the most he doesn't. He's unbelievable. And then it's, it's awful. They went on that goal. I mean a hand passes like probably the most obvious call. You'll see hockey game because the guy fuck it hit the puck with his in, in one of the revs should be watching the puck and it happens in front of the net four guys out, it's inexcusable. So this'll be like scoring a goal and soccer on a handle pretty much. Yeah. Pretty much, but you're allowed to catch it. In hockey catch put it right down. But you can't hint pass it in an effort. You can do it your own defensive zone. You can actually do it in. Neutral zone. You can't do it in an effort to keep the play alive, which is what he did last night team on my and it was clearly I mean led to the goal guy. I forgot to the second of primary cyst was sent that, right? Over carlson. Boom game nights, and it shouldn't it shouldn't happen. It's just like how does this happen, and it's pretty pathetic. I just wrote a blog a little while ago saying that the NHL how bad is it that I'm saying take a fishing from the NFL you know, like make all overtime goals. Have to be reviewed even if there's obvious shit. That's what the NFL does to make sure nothing happened in the NHL has to do that. They have to do it. All right now, we're talking about this before, like the NHL, they're the boss, like if they wanna make a change, why don't they just make a change. And we got of hockey putting yet it's funny because like when Sean Avery, which waving the stick and Martin Brodeur is face a couple years ago, it was like they changed the rule twelve hours literally, the literally created a rule create a rule twelve hours later. It's like they changed it. Why can't they do that here? Like they made a huge mistake, what they got dressed, this hall goal should be revealed will. Yeah, exactly puck goes in the net. Like you should be able to review. Wait a second. You saying go back and change the role or you saying go back and retroactively give like Saint Louis. No change the rules against the rule on on, on all the time goes in the playoffs, should be have to be reviewed regardless of circumstances. Do just to make sure it's legit. I mean, the thing is that, that opens a can of worms though, because now you're gonna have some ticky tack shit with some like call. The Bill should have been made. It might screw a team later. But you gotta you gotta do it, though up a whole Kantor. You know, and this and it's unfortunate because the referees I I've met a few of them over the is there. Really good guys for the for the ones, I met that guys working hard to make a living. It's not an easy job. It's very thankless job. It's a tough job. And you know, they're gonna get so much shit for this. And this is the thing is these just series. Altering fucking calls. These franchise altering calls. Okay, vegas. Got that call in game seven they're up three nothing. It's guy gets tossed out of the game, a five minute, Pol play and always shouldn't give those. Yeah, no shit Sherlock. But the fucking thing is they scored four 'cause the penalty, so that's the whole problem. And that now Vegas instead of. Paying on their out that all this is the franchise all the history of the league because shit calls all some might say that there's a conspiracy for the sharks going crazy. Team like get more hooked up by the refs put kind of back to what RA said real quick this, there's a huge trickle down effect here. Like I mentioned before, like my parents own a bar near the garden, their bar relies heavily on how the Bruins and how the Celtics how far they go in the playoffs local businesses, depend heavily on this shit. So when you start to see games to sided by officials it affects a lot more than just the players on the ice. There's a lot of things going on here. Let's say that point any sport in any sport at all. Because it happened aside. It's like probably the sharks who can't say their fan bases. Crazy finishes pretty crazy up there. I mean if you ask I mean wit says it all the time, he thinks the shark tank is one of the craziest rings to plan introduced toughest. At least. Okay. Yeah. They got a pretty civil fan base. I'm not gonna name names. But the fan base, like to mix it up on Twitter a lot. Okay. That's, that's fair. What are your thoughts as a flyers followers fan? We've thought so on Craig's ruby. Wait. I'm not fly. No. I am cozy took over flyers team on three from Latvia. Let took them to the playoffs. They had some spark out some lightning complete shit out pretty much had just like one year to get it done. Yeah. I don't seem sort of situation because he took over middle of the year last place team took him first place like we've thought some chief, I like them. I don't know. Why Philly didn't hang on to Saint Louis he's done a tremendous job with them. I love them as a player. I mean everyone loved him as he was tough as nails. I mean, he wasn't you know, maybe the fleetest the foot and what wasn't the best goal scoring that. But he was one of those guys you want to team tough as nails and obviously, he's getting results, Saint Louis took a little while to get footing onto him. Whatever just feeling out process, but these guys are going balls to the wall for this guy. You know he's now a style. I think he's firmly established himself as in any shell coach and he'll have a job for as long as you want. Now just another fuck up by Philly. I just feel like that they can't get one right now. Your heart Carter heart. The hit on him. They hit the hit the nail on the head with that one. But it just seems like they say that you say that Ellie but, like we also have a Broschi for a while, and now he's supposed to be our franchise and now he's a franchise somewhere else. But y'all off a supposed to go the future somewhere else. I mean even like Lahya let shine for second kinda, I would say, let him go. But let them go their own finger at the wrong person with the fliers, don't you think like the goal? But Brodsky's the problem, but Brodsky wasn't problem Alexa, problem. Love Hewlett really wasn't the problem. I think they have a lot of problems. And they're trying to address it from the top to the bottom of it at Snyder died. And, you know, there's really the leadership is the come cast organization. There's really nobody going to the top of points. I think the problem with for a long as was Snyder does what we'll Edmonton does. They, they keep all these former players they fall in love with all these four icons, the franchise, and these guys might not be the best guys to be running hockey teams a lot of times. I mean I love clock the legend. Jerry status. He has in the NHL, but he made a lot of terrible booze as a GM during the Lindros saga. He made a lot of moves you probably probably wish you could take back. It's way too soon. Well, first of all, Ed Snider has a soft spot for the broad street, bullies, they brought two cups to the franchise and to the city Philadelphia fairly new team I expansion team to win a Cup yet. Basically those guys they don't. They haven't bought a beer in Philly since the seventies and appreciate all of them are still in the fucking flyers pay. Well, I knew both Watson's are I know Bernie Peron is like a, what do you call it? They can ambassador I got picked up when we were down at great guy. Picture sewn famous DACA. Bernie barrages comes in the sweet. Yeah. Like. He has a big back brace. He's like, oh, come on my back. Brace wants to go to my boat. It's like okay. Berry you got a big yacht? I would've called big, but he just like, yeah, I love that lives in a boat in Philly. Every what everybody who is a broad street. Briley was basically granted a lifetime contract for the flyers which is great. But when it's was, basically, hiring, like Bill barbers head coach and even Ron Hextall as GM for a little bit wasn't Bros. You believe but I mean just not he may as well. Yeah, I it it's. I'm not the biggest flyers expert. Yeah. It's gonna ask how big the flyers fan are you? What are they ranking your terms of Phillie teams rank four, but that's only because I didn't grow up playing hockey like I'm friends with Jim Watson's kids who kind of got me really in to hockey and, and I can, you know, experience the game's different way. Starting to learn a lot more. But I didn't grow up playing hockey. So therefore, I really wasn't like the biggest bathroom of root for them. Obviously Philadelphia fan boy through and through but they're easily my fourth. Now that being said fires fans who that is their number one are absolutely lunatics. They're crazy. He goes Phillies sixes. I grew up Phillies eagles. Now. It's like eagles Phillies Sixers flyers. Yeah. I love like the chew stand on the same. I mean, I'm the same way I would say the socks that probably, you know what bottom of my totem pole, but I was in Saint Louis and see them win. So that's, that's the level of total pole. I guess, but. Appoint the Philly fans when we were down there for the stadium series. They were blast man. We had it absolute plastic bus fall so much like Boston. Exactly. They really real familiarity there that we had a blast with them. Now it's a good time, four our ages liked him because they were smoking them up on joints outside the outside the tent, we were this mother fuckers, offering the Uber driver, like gummy us on the way to the game. Like what are you doing the game? Safe birth date in the arena, Faulk, generous. Sorry. That's that's true game four tonight. Marina thoughts young. Yard here. First UNICEF feeling. Good. Do you think they sweep it out? Come on somebody. I don't know. What do you what do you think? I think it's so tough because it's like you want the rest or do you want people are always like do you want? Do you want to like have him sweep? And then you have like it's going to be like a week, maybe a week in a day. I think we today before on the Stanley Cup final. I mean I, I worry about the rest because you see it so often, I mean, biz always reading those stats on spitting chiklis. I teams that go sweep verse against teams that go seven doesn't favor the teams that sweep. So I, I don't know. I mean I worry about injuries though because we we all want that one more game but you want that one game until sewing, it's hurt. You know. So, like people are asking saying, all it's win at home. But she'll we don't want that long rest. But what if that one more game you lose someone fuck that? You don't wanna you wanna win tonight. You don't want to read a whole, I shred of hope and then, like you say my injuries happened, the more games you play the more potential. I mean we lost Chris Wagner fucking blocking the shot broke on the other night, you know that could happen tonight in, you know. You don't want to lose anybody type the more games, the more likely happen, especially in the playoffs get like three rounds in like people have those nagging injuries a few days, just like the crazy part is the players. I'm we all sit here like day need rest. They're hurt. They don't want the rest day. Like they wanted to keep going night after night. And this is create. She was like, I don't like practicing. I'd rather play in game yet, it's tough. It's I think it's so tough for us to understand because we'll talk to these guys. And they just they're like, yeah, no, I'm going like there was never an option in my head, where I thought I shouldn't go out there and play, buddy, you have a broken wrist, and a sprained ankle and a punctured lung, you're going to go out there and play, I think there's a rhythm to it every other night there's just like your body gets used to it. Yet least psychologically, they get used that show. But I think as far as long laugh at the bottom line the Stanley Cup man. They're going to be up for it. It doesn't matter whether it's. Yeah. Exactly. You know, I mean jar Berge runs Rask creates you mash on so many guys who've been there. I mean to to difference daily Cup finals, they've been to one loss when so if anything they, they know how what, what, what not to do have from the losing side as well. So, yeah, I think they wanna finish up business night and they know what happened before purses Phillies, twenty man, I watched three oh and down three. That's why you have on just to say started typical Philly fashion. It would have been one thing if they came back down three oh games down three nothing in that elimination game seven, if they would've came back, and it would have been a Disney destiny story where they just went to the finals and wanted. Do you believe in miracles? Oh, that's great. Yeah. Just got found some lost Patrick kid does. Nobody knows when it. And it's just like so typical Phillies like okay fourth and twenty six greatest plant moment ever, we got. This is our year Eddy. Listen next, and it wasn't miraculous to I mean you had they had Bucci and Layton is always late. And I don't think I don't know in the NHL again. No, those guys one more Rosca at the time where they just rotate. I was a lavishly. Let's just like ninety three Phillies team Desi just macho row team misfits gets the World Series. Joe Carter homerun dude. I was store watching that up college. It was a big party going on fuel this. Head of the fun guy. Going around that. And I like watching Joe Cada hit a series win at home. When you boom. Was the night. I'll childhood's end Zuhdi every, that's what I said, everyone that goes, this is every American kids dream, right? Hit hitting World Series winning home run on joke audit that I would rag on you guys. I'm actually not like I like the Boston teams themselves, like I it's hard not to respect them. Just Boston fans like fuck you. I want them to. Not I watched it. I sorry to cut you off there. I watched the last game with a friend who doesn't really watch hockey and she goes, why does Boston always win. Am I I'm not even going to tweet this out because I'll just look like the biggest Boston douchebag, but reduced win it everything sucks. More to it just sucks. It's a huge normally man. Because like for a long time, Boston sports struggled. I mean the patriots and I said this to the football fans and liked, it sounds so condescending arrogant. But, like if the patriots can like do this than any franchise can't because they were the laughing stock of the league for decades I mean they had a couple of good years in the seventies, but the eighties into the nineties. I mean they were joke ourselves took him to the right. But prior to that, I mean probably basically prior to Bob Kraft. Owning them. They were largely a joke. Because all I've ever known is winning football. I and one that's when it started I was eight like all I've ever known in my life is winning football and Tom Ray good for you. Anything else? No. I mean I just love Tom Brady. We're gonna take a break right now. Eight hundred three eight five seven eight six six five. You wanna call up talking puck with the Boston the Boston FOX call. That's a great name, boss. Sucks be right back. And now right. At Bethpage Black. We got the host of barstool radio rigs e right on the line rigs E Commissioner Rix, Z commission of the how we doing. Hey, I'm here, the boys foreplay crew, we got Trinidadian Frankie myself. We're kind of buzzard. How are you doing? What soda what's the crew? What are you doing back there? We got a little Pucak she. And we got myself Grenell ERA. Marina, Tommy smokes stuck in a little puck goes Ryan Borelli. How are we? Oh shit auto girly. Hello Cabello, if our, you got fucked rigs e I'm sorry, you got fucked last night. Oh my God. What would that was that the word call you've ever seen? I mean, I've never seen it was like an arm past, here's this whole fucking arm to pass the puck over to give the guy. I really know what else you can say about what works calls. Hersi rakes. You've spent a lot of time in a hockey ranking, isn't it just mind? Blowing that four of those rafts on the ice missed that call. It's just not convincing. I'm just not convinced of that. I'm not a big conspiracy guy. I don't know even at Raskin, real time, have the capability or the motivation of taking one team over the other there's no possible imaginable way that four grown men like white piece said, could miss that call who are professionally trained to make those calls uses whole parking arm to pass that thing over there. They gave the guy in this. I mean I I it was outrageous. That's the most outrageous thing I've ever seen. Now, you could also play the other side like the blues they gave up late lead even if they don't score there. They could've scored another time so you gotta look at it and be like, you know the blues for fucking playing. Great hockey played a great hockey games do bouncing other way the calling all the way I still think the better team so you gotta, you gotta kinda look forward boys. They're still a dog shit. Call and say as the luckiest fucking scumbags team and the entire league. How many calls did these guys gonna fucking get? Hey, you know, it's a good thing rigs, you know why? Because we're hammer and the blues next game a guaranteed victim. They should about a month ago. What is going with that our? They why are they get all these break like you. It's like two of the worst calls I've ever seen went in their favor. It's banana land Steiner. Yeah. No reason. They've released a hockey gods. It no way they can continue to advance this shenanigans going out say, there's no point financial Rickett for San Jose. Right. Like, what are they have to gain in San Jose? Oh, maybe someone's got a couple of nights. Favorite? If you're into that area, the bigger bay areas, the west coast market, and the Beezer, little east coast market, you know, they want that over fucking face. Lou like Saint Louis. They did TV wise. They'll get better ratings and Saint Louis, but rigs you what's going on the opened on their who's winning. Who's in the leaderboard? What's going on down there? Or boy, Brooks CAPCO. We had four play Cottam on his. Well, he's getting a little bit of a bump for borstal crew shot. Fucking like a course, record sixty three today played lights out, but guy tiger didn't look gray, which is bad. It's kind of devastating to be honest with you drunk right now. I can't come on the radio show at nine o'clock when tiger just off eight twenty we're trying to follow you communicate that to kinda might. Well, I tried. Well cousin Mike this morning Trent and I was defending you like vehemently defending you cousin. Mike was trying to talk trash on you for not getting back to him. But it's the only way he reached out to you was on eight an Email chain, that you weren't copied on and just said, cousin rigs question, Mark. So there's no with you to see what the fuck was going on. I mean, that's not the Mike. I say, we're out here, repete black. We're making awesome videos. We're having a great time. I'm not going to hop up from watching the greatest golfer of all time, just so I can get rated by Mike. I'll pass that along the more. But if you wanna come on tomorrow, by all means you're more than welcome to I think tiger is probably going to see off a little bit later tomorrow, or he will be off in the afternoon. I will try to call an L call tomorrow morning. Yeah. Yeah. She text like, thirty we'll figure it out. The one question you as compliments. That's a compliment store. You guys. I mean, the role office is buzzing, your all killing it. They're like it's not even a question. You're killing congrats. But the one question everyone's mind is anybody benefiting more of from four plays in your guy success than Mr. Borelli. Here we go. I knew that was coming line. That's go to line this week. I heard you on radio yesterday saying that my dad played it at the dinner table at night when I got home. Mini-van committees onto something am I not? It's been an unbelievable week. I mean Borelli really's been prime location right now, we had the boys over Kisner. We had Charlie Hoffman who like getting in a in a scenario with them to go to, like, drink wine and eat dinner like you get to see these guys be regular people. I think that's why everyone kinda likes the content that we're doing this week because like we're not just watching them just watching them drink wine. Talk about stores the caddy's. We're watching Bryson d Shambo. Try and fix my atrocious. Short game. It's an unreal week and just to go back on the hockey talk. This is why hockey stuff and no one likes that sport. And we're all onto a really daunted sort down. Down down. Spoil you. Frankie delicate flower. Relax. Not hockey season. Dolan, cares about the Bruins boys. We're at Borelli is on Tuesday night, you know big night. We have Cernik Faldo there. We had kids, Charlie Hoffman great time. I'm trying to watch the Bruins game like you turn the beast game on he turns around and goes, we don't turn hockey on him this stab which. Borelli so-so pack on it was probably a hundred twenty people in this play. Everyone went Bruce game. We had on the NBA draft lottery, and I was buzzing about it. I'm like, we gotta get the volume up. Jesus, but credit to you guys. I think you hit the nail on the head that the stuff that you're doing. We. Learn more about these golfers in five minutes from watching your videos, then you can watching the broadcast all weekend. Yeah. Changing golf media, boys. I mean, we were talking about before you came on and I don't mean to pump your tires, too much because we do have that rigs and Whitney match coming up. But did you guys are changing golf me? It's fun to watch. Fucking tires out take it all day. I'll keep that recording. That's what we do on chick tires. So rigs. This is your show. You're the host one, I'll white what item. Can you drop for us that isn't anywhere else? What's coming up? What have you done that you're sandbagging on drop some near Pacelle? A lot of people are buzzing about obviously, the videos put now the next week right back out or we're gonna be out of Pebble Beach with Dave, Dave mulligan challenge coming and of just kind of respond to, you know, you guys say offices buzzer were kinda showcase the golf media, this, that it all started with our good friends of the US J last year, while welcoming in doing the mortgage challenge the PJ America runs the PGA championship out here welcoming welcoming. I can't have book like. Like trains. Out to rake. We're working. We're not drink of how to bet page black giving us access. We got a God, damn ten right next to the range revelers pull guys over there. We got media credentials, all those organizations out there that refused of credentials, that hijack art credentials that for some reason, think it's too negative or too riskier some dumb ass. Other reason not to give barstool credentials. I mean we've been out here for three days before the Gulf, even started to produce all the stuff that we produce. So I think it's just like a signed organizations. Going forward sports, if you welcome us in nailed that version of welcome. We welcome us insane with NASCAR and all that we can fucking deliver. That's what we do what we do better than everybody else. And you're kind of learning that in golf. I mean just like you guys have done chiklis guys to kinda suck your dick back. You suck my guy, you're nine going, you guys have gone with a lot of those guys. I think people kinda looked at hockey guys more normal already anyways, but the golfers of the same time it just why guys normal can do happen to be unbelievably good at golf. And if you show that you start to create more fans for guys like his Charlie often rights, did you Shambo? It's a great thing for the games, hashtag, good for golf boys. I thank you very much brings for sure, Ryan to get inside information out of you that nobody's hurt before, and just turn around and suck your own deck. One last night. What do you what do you mean? Franken meets tell us something talking. It's four. Mirka for reading out, just tell us something like are you gonna hit like something's happened with tiger? Or like anything that's going to tell the future tell the future. I just wanted to see if there's anything clients does come withholding ever makes it, I'm, like, can't wait Midi when I call it, maybe this Borelli give a one to the waitresses the Tigers in town. That's good. That's good. Made some waitress wise, crack about Borelli. Frankie is the waitress. So it's like. Well, Frankie was playing pocket pool behind tiger. Small from you to your the other day, great Instagram, by the way of all three you right behind tiger. When he was driving. You guys talk to him at all. Heading correspondence rigs day. He'd like give you know who you are. I not contact we sit around with pretty you gotta remember this major tiger week. He didn't have that great of a day to day, but he's still very much in the mix. But this is like a this is a tiger wood that just won the masters and he's trying to get the grand slam like he's not. He's in the zone, like I'll pump tires here. Reggie was talking to Tigers camp, and they came up to him. So I'm you know, that was like that was a moment that kind of happened. And I really I mean just happened where it's going to say, I was gonna say. When say everyone else hears about it like they were like, are you kidding me? Tigers still the hawker on Tigers still the hawker on campus. Even though you like kinda necked with her a little bit before rigs, you're, you will never like just go up to blatantly. It'd be like, hey, what's up? Thrown out. Also major week like I don't want your be like, oh, say hi to rig fucking somewheres, golf balls. Go back that. Well, thank you very much, boys. Looking forward to the rest of the weekends content and getting back in the office. You're welcome bitch. Hey guys. Yeah. Really doing doing the best trying to rig job form lays outbound Dugan, or across the world every single golf course. But great for them for plays, obviously, kicking everyone's nuts in all across the world that Brooks on Brooks's on part of my take is well, I think Dave had some his shoe with Doubleday comment. Brooks said to the story. Yeah, he said it was like a group date on part of my take. Yeah. I was just going out of the office just. What did he talking tumbled thing? Carried it. Yeah. Basically, it's. We're gonna take a break. We'll be right back. More barstool radio after this. The barstool store has released their summer merge collection. And there's a ton of new stuff in the store. Get drinking with all new barstool drink wear and limited edition. 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I don't work for you right for me. Also, I got a fucking million things going on. I'm doing charity events around cities city, my dog right now. I don't know how long it'd be on the show is very sick. So quite alarming. Yeah. Shout, stellar vase Impreza Sela just talked to Renee, not a good scene. So that's quite quite quite disturbing. How old is she? Now those fifteen Queen everything. The worst dogs you like you can't get diagnosis. You can't talk, but she's not doing well so that sucks. I found that about ten minutes before coming on the air. The freak nece tomorrow. I don't know. I it just everything sucks, before we started the show, we were looking at this new mural that we have here, guys SAM's working on their seven people that made the cut here in the radio room. So is this a well known thing? I haven't been in here like is we've talked about it as our world this as being created. Everyone's shake their head. Yes. Everyone was going on you balls. Everyone was going fat my men. Thanks for shared it on the morning. But yeah, everyone was going crazy this morning around, like ten eleven AM looking at it. I think people get me bunch of people have something. The picture myself. I don't care. First of all, I don't think it's that far off that kind of looks like how I look I think they're all accurate. So it's from left to right. It's PF t-. Big cats Sam was telling us that big cat someone someone say diva cat. I'm not my words demanded this face beat redone. To be the couldn't have been how that went down in love is back here. He's just like repaint my face about it. Then we got Erica. Dave K. Marco fights, vital. I think looks like me. That's what's confusing me, does it looks like a younger version of you basically can really tired. I think I'm looking at who. Now I was told again, I don't we had to do something on this wall. This is one of those things where it's like, yeah. Sure. Do whatever the hell you want. I don't really give a fuck. And now if anything I say, are you adding the painters, are you had in color to this? Oh. Oh, see. I, I think we could probably use color. Whatever was sitting on a beam. I don't know what I was thinking. I thought it was everybody on the beam is kind of what I was thinking. But there's clearly none of them. I think it's stunning. The PF tease over Hank stunning. Yeah. Somewhat say Hank. I mean obviously longer tenured belong. I mean way longer right and has the big cat, and PF teed complete the PMT trio, any also has the connection to fights and all them being in OG Milton guy in Gaz. Maybe should have got to got an no. That would drive me crazy. Yeah. I mean you could say he he's employee number one. Right. So I originally someone asked me, there's a picture, I posted of, like everybody everybody where you're going to paint that to somebody's gonna paint one. It had been like a purple suit and every came out. I don't know who made that. I'm like, no, let's not put that on the wall in case people leave. So instead, we just put this crew up there, whatever I have no problem with it. I think Hank should be up there. I'm trying to think who else could have a claim to be up there. Hang tommy. And then, so who else I mean definitely Hake. Yeah. It's meeting eight long tenured guys Salvi funding. I'm like arguing in the corner. They should be smaller than everybody beige, it'll coming should middle little. Yeah. Are you doing more? We done here to asking for people at home to the painter. Mike, I suppose it's kinda your call. Yeah. I think you gotta have the spider monkey coming down. I think you maybe have a block yet, like it doesn't have to be too serious, who fucking cares, can be similar like spider block the out, Hank. Hankering kind my fat pen, exact pig all the fat sow's, just like a fat cage Trump process, all of us just hanging out, get the trust the process. What's that all about that? That's not going to be a part of the mural just left that. 'cause I've been staying pretty late last night, probably left here around five thirty in the morning. Was the afternoon. That would be not late at all. So. Yeah. I just sort of left that note for anyone who saw when it was halfway done thinking, oh, this looks like shit. So what is there going to be something there? Instead. No. No. I'll paint over. I think sponsor, we'll go somewhere eventually in the negative space. All right. Well looks nice. Thank you, so few things that we've been trying to get to this week. So you tweeted out Sunday that you wanted to yell at gas you wanted to talk about your dad's dinner at a kit. And then we also have the Bruins sweeping the hurricanes to, to the Stanley Cup last night was a bunch of things bunch of things, and we have hubs, I guess, getting everyone ops plus comeback use comeback. I'm wildly just routed right now. So. But and we get the four four play. We're playing like killing it out at Bethpage. Yeah. All right. Well, I'm not going to the same anger and angst that I would over these things not because it's delay because all fired up to go, but like distracted. My dad mother's day. My dad's birthday we had dinner reservation at six thirty. A show up six twenty. The dude is already. He's got empty plates sitting in front of him it was the most like appetizers, yet, an onion onion soup bowl empty like Brennan empty, I was like, are you already eating that? He's like, why is that wrong? I'm like, well, yeah. Like, I'm coming to meet, you didn't know when you show up I was ten minutes early. So it's like what is what is he doing? He just he has no sense how the world works in. No, this was a dropping you told me that I does that it's like inviting someone over to dinner come over at six, and then we ate or just stunning move from soup to it's not like it was just the bread. Maybe if it's a bread you you've got. Is like how is it that because I got it later to, and he does his thing, he, he reordered like he had an arty. He's crazy with that. Your mom had the right. She had my mom was waiting. Yep. My. Gas. I guess he came on the air slipped up. We're doing so we're there's potential. I never liked to say we're doing things to happen because so many things fall through the cracks. But there's a potential that you're gonna be like a segment on us like a little documentary on a huge thing. But a segment on us on barstools sports on two major network. Type thing they wanted to Bruins game in film me, like interacting with Boston fans, so it was like, all right. Fine being Gaz went to the game. Yeah. Bring somebody from Barcelona. All right. Paul perfect. They're walking backwards filming me across walking from the harp, which is right across the garden into the stadium. It's just me and him dude. Veers off his left and starts whispering. Sweet nothing says a little girl who we told him to meet him there like he told the girl where he was to me. So I'm just sitting walking in the middle street going to this game on what could be like a major segment on TV like an asshole with a thumb up my ask going to the game alone. Like it's like, oh, Dave's got no friends. Walking into the fucking game alone. I screamed at this girl. He's talking I go you get out of here, and she's scurried away. Didn't even go to the game. Well she wasn't going to game. She just met him like pre game just like say, hi, it was just a like so Gaz could try to lately, man. That's all you'll say, hi it was like she sat down at the table, which he wasn't supposed to be there. Supposed to me Paul it like a bar before the game. She sat down for that. And then she, she walked with us like before she was leaving and gadgets wandered off camera. I told HBO camera ally. I just said, h we'll see if as HBO, but if it is, I told Bill CBS TNT. Well, who knows if there's I told them if it airs that better being like I want me ripping his ask out, I was so mad in, like we're both Mike Dopp. I was miked up and I was just killing them. It's like he's just the most oblivious fuck in the world. So, yeah, that two things happen that I need rapid succession to remind me, and I will give credit to Polly docks with the very Polly knocks move on Monday. We're doing radios me rigs and Francis and Francis. He mentioned Gaz in passing talking about his game of thrones videos and Catholic, I talked to Gazza getting them on the main account and maybe five seconds, later GAAS was in the room. I heard my name mentioned, which guys isn't usually guy jump in front of the camera behind a mic. No. That was a little out. And then he gets through that. And he's like, and by the way, let me just get out in front of this whole thing with Dave, he did he did take ownership to listen if they. Where it and I don't know that they will because who knows you never first of all, I don't know if it'll ever air. You never know. We've had so many things that fall through second. I don't think they're going for like the funny angle. Third. I you know, who knows whatever there is no free. But the one to if it airs I don't think they'll put that in there. But if they do it'll be very funny because it's so obvious what he did I felt like the big fucking dick in the world. It's like I'm just walking the Bruins game alone like sitting by myself nowadays. Picturing, Schreiber narrated, this whole thing, HBO voice. It was it was. So those are those two things. Yeah. It's been a crazy week in like is I know one radio because I'm fucking if I go through the week people think what I'm not working. It's like I came back on a train this morning. I met a fundraiser pints for Pete last night, which I've done like ten years in a row that was another thing, people like is gas coming. I'm like. Do you know politics? This is happening in south Boston guys at this place capo and south Boston. More than people who work at capo in south Boston. It was in New York. I don't know how he doesn't. Yeah. I think he's going, and I know you also had a pizza review mishap this week. Have you talked would you wanna talk? That's not. No. That'll come out with so pizza views. It's starting. I don't know what's going on like to where we've got big celebs that we did a lot and that's been part of the problem. So we did Paris Hilton. PK sue ban Lindsey Vonn with them. Then we Cal Ripken. Within the span of last twenty four diplo and Steve, I okay of both light slid into my DM's being like yo. Can we do pizza? Yeah. Happen. When Frankie sees dip. I sent that. Right to France. Frankie worked for me. Anymore is four play guy that Dana over there, fat Dana new guy, he's gonna be in the running. I will not like that. You just call them fat. He's really proud of the way he's lost. But he's still well his first pizza review, they did with me. He told me the wrong time by fifteen minutes. So we were just standing there has got pissed about that the to this three guys, I have an eye on to be my next Frankie. Name's dana. Dana be I won't go out anymore Dame. Kill have any interference with the barstool docs, good. That's a factor. Right. Jetski wall. No. I don't think jets coach. I don't think jetski knows how to edit anything. So that's his raps he does. All right. Breakfast long as well. Star. Yeah. I like because he's just such weird human genetic maybe at my own rap guy like right. I mean to be able to, I think, just in general, like wrapping and being able to come up with lyrics. Yeah. Talent that shows her until it spider. Another big one. Yeah. So those are the three if I replace Frankie that I could see not on all that spy knows how to experience he does. I don't know about editing as much, but I know he like hold has helped. So I will see, I mean I know Frankie's a tough spot because he's becoming part of the Gulf ain't getting more opportunities out gallivanting inside the ropes and all that. And I'm out here taking grenades by myself, so. Yeah, we'll have to figure that out. There was something else. I just going to say to that are remembered. That happened this week. Oh the Brady gate documentary. That was excellent. How many people watch that it brought back memories of that whole Howard's, our gate type thing speaking of Dana that, that was his big. Yeah, it was great jock pretty also interesting timing, that comes out and a half after I didn't like that. Because it's like I just became friends or acquaintances with Brady and for all, I know he doesn't even know him that guy. Like that story that the, the dude girlfriend like speech reviews, but hates barstool, he doesn't have the heart to tell her to the same person. Right. Someone could be like, hey Davey met last week, just put out a half hour movie that your son's day. Right. It's a hog. Thanks you. All right. Let's hit our first break. We'll get back. We'll talk about the Bruins. Got calls, eight three three eight five seven eight six six five to myself, Dave and Glenn balls. Got questions for any of us. Call up. We'll be right back. Back on bar story, DO, it's myself, Dave and Glenn balls Friday edition. We were just talking about Dave's gripes with his dad and Gaz. Got those over with also thinking about Stella, hoping every yet thoughts still this is not good from what everything scene is quite distracting to. Dogs are tough man. She's building, too. So it's like she's old she's little, so she should live. But yeah. I don't know. It's very so she's going right now we're in a is taking her from their tuck it. We gotta go. She's gotta go back to Boston. Go to like, because the talk it vet closes, but not good. Not good. Not good. So we're hoping everything works out there, one thing did work out last night. The Bruins sweep the Carolina Caroline's joke. Clean, sweep just really not, not even close total. Joke knows going to happen said it was going to happen the whole time. I don't know who I'd rather play the sharks or the blues, probably blues, because the contingency here that blues game, they got fucked. I think they win tonight. I think the blues comeback win this game tonight. Yeah. It's I mean, the blues would be definitely better from a contact. You have couture. Logan, who is a monster. Like you scores everything. Reset, I believe some people here are calling him the greatest playoff hockey player of all time. I mean he's on quite a run. And he is the original stool in the NHL, right? Well, the one that's worse Ryan for the lock. No. That was Whitney Whitney. But he was already out Oli what he's not gonna be happy that, well, it was a Whitney wouldn't. He was already out of the league, though. I mean that's like the first goalie challenge ever did was verse Javy are chains reams dyke in final burgers, there when we're talking at the end just casually before new, the goalie challenge will be thing. Like who else? Can we get to do it in? I think Javy are or fight ovaries at Whitney Mike. I mean, we can't have somebody who sucks. We need somebody like in the league actual Oni from right? Like, what do I have to prove by doing goalie challenge against Ryan Whitney nothing? But he was the one who moved it tore played in Worcester is Worcester shark. So he read it and was a big fan. We go a challenge with him. I also have a bet with him from like a decade ago, which is insane that if Qatar ever won the Stanley Cup, I get to spend the day with him. So sharks. Bruins, and he somehow pulls off this generation's Buster Douglas and beat the Bruins, then I would get to ruin his day with the Cup. So that's kind of cool. So he was to go wherever he goes, you don't get to pick it. You're just gonna there for the ride, correct? So even if the sharks when you got to you got the Tormenta, correct. All right. That's I mean a little bit. Yeah. Well, it adds that element because I don't know anybody in the blues, right? Other borstal happening this week to people that some are saying, brought great shame to the company uncle traps and hubs. Who do you think was talking about chaps first pitch? Yes. Well, I'm chaps guy as a my. So, yeah, there's a lot of people say nasty splitter. How, how do you know that? They didn't that somebody wanted to swung, there was no one pyre. It wasn't great. This thing hubs in broiled in. Well that, that eighty it just can't keep his foot out of his mouth. Now, do you offices and all time idiot? Do you how much like blamed you actually put him? How much do you think of it is the internet just over it? Yeah. I put all the blame on him just being somebody, you can bully like, he's somebody. You know, if someone has a big chest in, you didn't think you could push him around the ring this probably doesn't that. But hubs is that guy who always on the losing end of everything? I mean this was posted by the account account wasn't flicked, catching, right, hubs, the one catch good point fatso. Thanks. I appreciate it. Every time come found any. It's an easy cheap laugh, and I stopped going for it. Hey, I stopped going for it better than that. You going. It's literally, it's just a it's a cheap laugh. I'm better than that. I'm not gonna do that anymore. I'm not gonna do that anymore. How excited I know people at home listening driving? They laughed off the they're digging their exit that got that bad. I love invited him on here if I if I didn't want here and for the cheap laughs. When I was like, do you think would you have on Glenn big up the two of the name thought you oughta I knew on the mentally him in a very bad state right now. Because so distracted with Stella that I can't really be as witty and funny, but I can just say fats though, and it's like bang put in the Bank. You don't have to be waiting to point out fat. No. I'll any are you excited to be ball tracer at Pebble Beach. I'm I know it's going to be a lot of work but I'm very excited with the Pacific Ocean afterwards. Never even seen the Pacific Ocean say jumping. Yeah. Oh shit. Very exciting stuff. And I didn't know you had that plant. Okay. Wait. Done. Oh, wow. Say we're gonna be done at twelve Atty. And a ball that will be like seismic wave earthquake that will steal whatever they do. If you, you in big at both canon ball into the Pacific, Japan's gonna feel they got legitimate, quick scales in California. I know that's what I told the as soon as we're done. We're going to go straight in there. Hey Jay walk by talking about early. So Hank, I was talking about this early. I think he got screwed of this of this mirror. What are your thoughts on that? I mean I don't know who picked it. I don't think I got screwed though. Really PF should be on there over you. Yeah. All right. I guess if you fight for nothing then fine. You got screwed. Oh, yeah. The first name part of Mt. And you've been here about, oh, wait longer than he is. Yeah. Maybe like creeping over shoulder something, something. Well, I think I don't think we need to be serious. I want I want spider monkey like coming down as a spider. I want like smitty the blockhead like we should just fill this. And I think it could use some color, like a rest in peace section. Michigan man weird haircuts. Seth gentle marbles. I want the fat all fats. Happy, Gilmore the people in the sky. Yeah, a lot of potential. Let's make it like there's almost seems like serious right now. You're intimidating me. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone thought I'd be mad I could care less. Should just keep it gets face like that. That's what I said, as well. What's your understanding of what happened there, because just don't like? Yeah. Pretty sure saw it was ready to. Aw. Basically said he's not gonna like this narrative. Very nice about it. He's very nice. He just sought. He was frowning when I took the picture of him. So he was frowning in the painting and then on second thought he decided he wanted to be smiling, so. All right. So we got a. Who else could be up there besides you really terms of like oh, you didn't make the cut, I would think you're the only one Gaz because play the, the no content game. I know as they said that I want to give him the satisfaction. All your all your rants on radio. Just also just. I would put him up there. No hat. That's what we should do or no hat. Just put him up in like a bathing suit and a beach umbrella on a beach somewhere like for poly docs, Jit make his head, so bald, and shiny that actually it would be funny. We have a bunch of calls to get through eight three three eight five seven eight six six five. We have one call about Pebble Beach from read up read. So Dave, where where are you playing first of all show the thoughts and it's doa? Second all calls must start. Doc in praise. King, the toys. Also, Dave, where are you playing next week, Hebel beach? Isn't that in, like South Carolina? No, this is an absolutely ridiculous. Call you are. Pebble Beach Pebble Beach. It's only the most famous golf course in the world where the no ship day. But I thought it was in South Carolina. Not don't know, shitting me, don't know, shit me. That's like asking. I don't know. That's like asking where the non. That's not even I don't know what that would be what, what's the equivalent of not knowing? That is like Churchill Downs nothing. It's unlike fucking New York. I mean right. So is this call just to say you thought Pebble Beach was in South Carolina? I I really did what? Oh, I'm thinking Myrtle Beach. You also got a pebble creek will marry. Welcome to Friday, boys. Welcome to Erica. All right. Thanks read. It was something. So are you so is odd? Did it all by himself last year the ball hunting? I mean, I feel like me and big are kind of one person combined when it comes to running around, 'cause I'm gonna say you're. Fasano went back. Good. So really was. No. That was good. I mean like we said it's there you go. Sorry, hammered very good. Didn't get tired back and forth. I'll see play. I mean there's a chance, I don't know. We'll see. I know I was supposed to start off helpings out with. It had a bad stomach bug. And it was just way too much manual labor. So I'll say I'll take videos tweet him out for you. So you will you will get quite tired. I'm definitely ready to get sweaty hundred percent and thirty to twelve thirty where swin and then twelve thirty Pacific women is interesting in the reminder, I've twelve moldings per whole don't carry over. I just happen to start watching. This is not unlimited. No, because that beat beat that conscious brains in so interesting. It's twelve Mullins Pearl, I gotta basically shoot, even I watched the beginning of the video last one work kept every Mullen through the first four holes as actually used forty eight shot. So we picked a good number. I think it'll be very close. Yeah, that's inter-. So what are you going to consider? So I know last year it was minus four to consider the. Winner because that was no it was, my as one I shot minus four times. Four four rounds I was minus sixteen. So I won the US Open by sixteen strokes, right? Well PSA, but going into their minus four sticks out there was some now, what I shot, right? But I thought going so what, what is the number this year that, like, if one, minus one? Yep. Okay. Even we'd be in the playoffs. Yeah. Not bad. No. Brandon has a suggestion for Glenn what he got Brandon. I thought some Krista, Stella. Thank you, king voice, so glinting big jumping in the Pacific. I'm all for it, but they have to be wearing the Goodell from Trump's. I would I don't know that they come in those. That's true. Is there wasn't specialty items? Don't don't wasn't enough the fabric and all the China we could just jump. Concern. Yeah. Yeah. I don't I mean I don't think we have size is. That's not even being mean. We just don't try to get some customer ones made up again. Like, you know, those giant like, I don't know if you saw the video of I was at the Bruins game they pass the giant flag around the crowd. Yeah. Like you know what? I'm talking the games. Like, that's the type of. That's that's clemmie is Joe. See. Joe? Hey, I just got thoughts, Stella choice. I. Born and raised in New Haven grew up on the pizza, and I went to school in jersey. All those fucking scumbags from jersey telling me how they're fucking pizza was in New York and jersey blah. I'm glad you're putting the respective even deserves on it and move and has Sperry tangent hated your your peppy's or that wasn't a New Haven, because it's not the safe I hate it. I was glad you went back. Connecticut. Spectacular pizza tabby is also a big hit my Uber driver. I wish beat a lot of people haven't wants to views I this lady. We found just me and Frankie randomly. And then she drove around for about four and a half hours. Awesome. Lady people like want you to be a driver while you gotta be driver for all of using. Trust me. I tried. You didn't try that. But she refuses to cross state board isn't New York, damn treat saying that he looks like my mom. She actually kind of looked like an older female. She just she just kinda looked like ukulele. She did beautiful. All right. We're going to break keep the calls coming, three three eight five seven eight six six five right back on our story. Ah back here on barstool radio Friday edition. It's myself money balls, and Dave just checked out for a second to go to the bathroom, I believe, so keep the calls coming, eight, three three eight five seven eight six six five talk about anything. Want Pebble Beach trip coming up, you PJ championship right now for play guys out there. Bruins anything you want to ask. Dave, once he gets back. All fair game. Let's run through a couple more of these calls of actually, as I look at these calls. They seem to all be very Dave Centric sales, you smooth. Maybe we should just wait for Dave to get back to you. I am. Yeah. So I don't fully know what I'm doing. I just know him there. No. I haven't itinerary out assume I'm probably going to do what I did last year. So to take videos of Dave and tweet him out from his account. I do know have happy to not not be a ball boy. It's great. You know, it's cool because it's Pebble Beach, everything. But I I'm just not a manual labor guy. I mean you're the quiet. You are preaching to the choir. But like I said, sometimes you gotta go through some tough stuff to enjoy the good stuff and I want to jump in that damn ocean or there any concern. So some people have raised concerns about the fifty foot cliffs or higher. Yeah, I've noticed that. That's a problem. So you have to sign a waiver right? I believe so I actually delays week when Dave thought of this idea, I was out getting lunch for a good ten minutes of the whole day. And that's when he came up with. So I didn't hear everything, right? Frankish kinda filled me in, but I believe there is going to be a waiver. Yeah. Because we may die on the course it's a possibility. And if we die, whatever at least we'll go hey way to go out overlooking the Pacific Ocean enemy. Enemy. If that's your, your first dip calc ocean is just my lasted. Yeah. That'd be sort of poetic Justice in a way. What else is going on with you nothing much going to the in tonight for the first time in thirteen years? Oh, yeah. You're a met fan or a Mets fan. I've only been I went to one subway series game at the old Nikki stadium seven and I haven't been to the new stadium at. I've only been for the interesting when they play they're like five years. John Lewis city fields. Say strip mall with history of other teams that aren't field history. All right Davis back. So we'll keep running through these calls. Let's start off with Matt in buffalo. Matt, either. Right. Hey dave's. Yeah I'm here. Just wanted to call TS and TS to Stella king, the toys, you know, she's been a part of our lives, while says the beginning, so I've had so for those and hopefully pull through. I don't we don't know what the fuck is going on with it right now. But she is older, obviously, she's fifteen about. So I for those who don't know renege got her like the second day. Maybe we met. So, like, I I've still has since basically came into my life. Same exact time as Renate, which is now fifteen years as long time, she's generally pulls through. But this is it sounding like this situation's a little bit different too. And the problem is we just don't know. It's like you know what is the issue so she started throwing up a lot. She's like pooping ourselves like pooping defecating like and not moving. So it was like she just stuck in it. She was at the vet in Nantucket. They, she's drooling. Like uncontrollably won't eat. So there's like fluids and packs, the vitals, are okay, but it's too serious from what I've gathered that she has to Rene has transported back to Boston to go to hospital because you've got to be admitted. So we don't know. We don't know what's wrong, but sounds pretty fucking serious fingers crossed the dogs to worst. Yeah. We just lost our fourteen year old golden retriever feel your pain. That's an old gold until shame. If. A real shame of Logan could shore and the shards vary the Bruins next week to finish you off this. Wow. Section from that any hung up just transition. Doctor, Dr lost lost my fourteen year old golden into goes sharks. You gotta worry about Saint Louis. I. Yeah. Tom in Philly. What do you got? Hello. You're on eight pres- thoughts versus celebrating the toys, I do second off. I like to officially submit my application to be your new pizza, man. And I would love a couple of minutes to so you on it. Like right now you're gonna sell me on it. Yes right now. I mean, I think it's a bad time to sell me on bad mental state right now. Jedi true. All right. I'm looking at the clock is four thirty eight and fourteen seconds. You've till four thirty eight and seven and forty nine seconds go, all right? It'll be quick, first of not a big fat. So like Dana be does that works against you, minus one point. I thought that's always bad guy. No, I love being foul. I mean Glenys on the show because of his weight. We'll put on weight is not out of the question for me second off. I'm very punctual human being will not be late like that's good. Third of all, as far as editing videos, not necessarily in my skill set right now. Caught on on you. That was that was the worst thirty second job interview. Ov- all time just lie and say, your accident learn how to do it. Don't say you don't have the one skill that's actually needed. Don't say you're not fat because I have a soft spot for fat people good. You're on time big deal and thirty seconds. He said he's fat. He's on. He's not not fat is on time with no way to back up and said he can't do the main require that was arguably the worst thirty seconds ever for anything. I do. I remember when no meat. No. Notice joy I heard blind because blind. I like the forties. I like fat people like oddities. I like midgets have something be be weird is the best way to weird. I remember when we had our interview you were saying, do you know how to work radio equipment, and I said, oh, maybe I'd have to see it. And he said that doesn't sound very confident and it just like, but I thought it was fairly need to see it if I knew how to work that was that was everything. Sixteenth, two thousand six is that is that who came in that day balls? You Frankie Tex one of their really like maybe a week later, I think Roddy, a few days later started week later, I believe in the netting Bob started in October. That's like the eighty four Marino draft class except not nearly as talented that was such a scary debatable. They've actually wanna bring the sub speaking pizza, just opened Twitter. I in that comes up pizza icon, too far temporarily closed fogging failed department of health inspection. I feel like that's happened a couple times. It happened two years ago. I read old man, live, when you went was the almond there. Yes. Yeah. They'll man live Andrew from Boston when he got. Hey, what's going on with the Bruins, but real quick, you know versus Stella. I really hope to see the Hackney gate, one more time. Video me to praying for Stella, you know, real quick. On the Bruins, Dave, I'm sure you know, give a little quick, you know, technical hockey point, I think the Bruins best attribute is how they respond and third periods and the woman, Asian Games when their backs are against the wall. I think that's when the best it's the best phase of this team and it's, it's their best, it's, you know it's the best way they play when they're back here against the wall and third periods. And my last point is are you going to be at the Stanley Cup on games in Boston to do those awesome post game press conferences at the players, I think we're going to do barstool radio is the plan. I believe for games one into in Boston. I'm hearing we better. I'm hearing Monday Memorial Day. We'll be game one but I obviously other series. But that's, that's what the tea leaves are saying gained three within the Wednesday. So the plan, regardless unless it's a weekend because we don't have shows would be to do varsity radio live before the game. Go to the game. I agree with this caller's point. It's various point of third period. This team tend to get pucks in deep they tend to get pucks on net. They tend to start cycling the puck like madmen and yeah. Yeah. And they come out with jump of that locker room in the third. So, yeah, I it's a great point. Are you worried about this chain of sweeps going on with you? If you sweep you lose. Yeah. No. You know why? Because we have, I think, like thirty eight titles in the last ten years things that affect other cities don't affect Boston. This is like a drought. We haven't had a parade in four months. It's crazy. What is the actual stats thirteen? This would be I believe thirteen parades and ten years. Yeah. Trying to think of the mcgillicuddy I think it was twelve and ten now it would be thirteen and ten. Yes, this is getting confusing with the mcgillicuddy sign because we're adding championships before he changes birthdays, this'll be the third in year. Let's say the pats have five. That's. War ruin one Celtics one since two thousand one yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever. So, right. I mean it's a run. That's unprecedented will never be seen. It is. I mean I was going for four Kyrie Irving fucked us. But even to get the three in a row. That's something I don't think it's ever happened in the way. I don't even know if to ever happened twos. Definitely how we've done it. I know no team has ever. I know there are no cities ever sweep all four three maybe I don't have. Maybe a city be like the giants in Mets both one eighty six and it could be like these, these cities that have like the giants of like because, like, yeah. This nineteen LA has, like right, right. Yeah. But I mean, even them I mean, the kings of only one once. Right, so that you'd have to have them in there and doubters or anything to win their another thing. I wanted to ask you about Davis Brooks kept ga is crushing it at the PGA championship minus ten right now. At least that's what our proceed says he went on PMT and foreplay and believe he's on PMT where he was talking about the double date. And he was. Trying to refute you a little just just absolute blasphemy. I have texts that I read on camera from the girl that we're so first of all, I'm Brooks. Kept got one tiger. I was the one saying Brooks kept is the best all from the world. I miss saying it for six months when no one else, even knew we was, I'm like, why I was asking for played guys want you talk about Brooks kept all that guy does when majors, and you guys want suck Tigers caulk. And I'm saying Brooks kept up Brooks kept a book scepter fine. That's one point it could have been more of a double date. If your life dependent I was seeing girl I wasn't like dating. We went on a bunch of days together. She she had a friend who was on a date with kept it, it wasn't like a group real. It's like you're looking like who's with? No, I was with one girl. He is with another girl, four of us. We're at a bar. We sat down. We drink. It was a double date. I was hilarious. I carry the whole conversation. He didn't say much. It was before he won his first major by, like two weeks. So I, I really didn't know who was when he's like, I'm a golfer, like whatever buddy, I think your charm and wit inspired him. To do well at the open a couple of weeks later, again maybe, right? There's no way to say for would have been much friendlier towards him. If he was who he is now. Or I probably wouldn't it be on a date with him at this point. But I was on pressed by him. And where was it like, when what state New York? Yes. New York City when I was at a restaurant or bar. There's a chance it was Mr. purple, but it was night. So it wasn't like we're weren't on the roof. It also could not been this is whenever he won his first major, it was like two weeks before that because I remember I saw, like I'm watching golf, Mike. Double date with that guy. Two weeks ago and then four play. And just in general is doing well out there. You see Frankie getting his his chipping lessons from Bridget that one fire all they see little kids, don't they? Children issue that Tiger Balm got to their. Yeah. They seem like children like, hey, like hanging out with a pen in a ball, hanging over like eight year olds be like, hey sign my ball. Do this. Like why bushy tailed little like groupies? They are doing their coverage out there, some good interviews. No, I guess, it's much different than the rest of golf media. I thought the video of them. I think Frankie's like intimidated by the science guy, Bryce sham. Yeah. Like he had this rivalry, but like Frank is rolls over and gets his Pelly bet. One of my trying to got got his belly pep. Rub him every time they're funny, they're funnier with I think Kisner because they're totally comfortable balls, like I was watching. I thought it was very funny. The video of them watching the players arrive, but the only ones that they really I mean the whole thing, but they had that Kisner doubt to me is a fine scope. I saw is Kisner starts strolling back in front of him. Right. When tiger arrived. So they didn't want anything to do with Kisner. They just wanted to watch tiger. I mean, they're killing the gang great content. It's a different thing for parcel. There's no cynicism. They're just like very wide and, like, yeah. Like, oh my God. Oh my God. My god. You know, I'm not I meet Tom Brady. The Frankie Bryce into Shambo stuff it's tougher Frankie because he just keeps hating them and then Bryson's like hero, give chipping lots. So, but I, I would imagine that relationship has been meant that all right. We got one more segment in the first go at five and find out what our so eight three three five seven eight six six five hundred to get any last calls in for Dave will run through them right after this break. Her back on our story DO got about seven minutes before we had to the first hour break Dave's gonna dip out after that we're thinking about Stella. Hope everything works out with hell worked out with, with her. Matt wants to talk about Stella, it got met. Yeah. I just want to say pres- thoughts of pros to king of the toys, you know, people obviously, always talk about Jordan flu, then, you know, you've had a few games yourself but I don't think anything compares to you being on radio rate. Now while you have a dog. So young the main issue there's not much I can do right now. Stuck here. I'm supposed to go to Preakness Morrow. I don't know what I'm gonna do about that. Good loss. So there's someone watching the problem is dogs talk. You know that's just a lot easier. This is bothering me. It's all right. Well, everything, so, right. Yeah. By me all I really am prayers stuff Brucie, you Rene. I hope it all works out. You know she's a Queen. She's gonna pull through keep you head up. So does the worst parts like the old quote the only dogs flaws? Our lives early, too short fifteen years, long time. But I don't know. I don't even what it's like she was healthy. And then you once you're not as I didn't think that's how it worked, but well, he mentioned the Preakness you mentioned the Preakness to max from Louisville. Let's talk about the Preakness would. Hey, Dave, I was wondering about your betting strategy for the big race tomorrow. And if you had any picks for us, I kinda like bourbon war, there's another horse, first of all, I think it's a disgrace, a maximum security is not running in this race. It's a disgrace that he didn't. He didn't win the race as me Glenn. I have health problem with him getting balanced. It's a tough call, but he did veer out but to take your ball and go home, the both horses should be in this race. It would be one of the biggest Preakness of all time to see maximum fury come back, it maximum security won the Preakness and the Belmont, these go down as triple crown winner, with an Asterix to be a story this never happened before. It's bad for racing on in it. Now it's a wide open race. I do like bourbon war. There's another horse that I liked as well. But right now, I think I'm leaning towards that horse. What has it some? What's that? Signalman has a similar running side. Yeah. What so the derby horse winner? What was his name Kodo von, right though. The one that y you know, it wasn't going to last year, which no this country some countries which accounts. What's his excuse? I mean he won the derby, when he really shouldn't have I've heard mixed things. I've heard the jockey is, is borderline afraid because all the jockeys or Madame for the inquiry. There's obviously the other element, which is he's not gonna let he's not gonna win. So why do it? Did you guys? See Gary west proposed today. It's wild Jerry West owner skirt. He proposed race. Maximum security war of will country. House long-range toddy and Bodey express you put up twenty million. He said, if you're gonna be maximum security. He'll give them the five million just one race those five on what how it's maximum security ones. Just prod west believes offer five million dollars a piece of each of these four horses to finishing ahead of maximum security would result in record viewership, and we'll generate worldwide interest if all five horses meeting the same race. So potentially create though it was lucrative race in the world. Well, this guy. All right. Hey asshole. Just go to the print, right? Yeah. If you want to beat them just out of there. All right. If, if maximums nobody's maximum-security wins, the Preakness. And wins the Belmont, no one's gonna say those the horses better than maximum scary. Nobody's saying country house has been massive charity now go win. The next races is pretty simple. It would go more down. It'd be a more unique part of horse racing history than the ones that have actually won the total Bill. What he got? Bill. They go guys. Hey, new channel. I just wanna thank you guys for the content you guys. But I'll it's been a long time for something like this to the to come out for everybody. And Dave also, you know, hoping for Stella in the family. And I'm a fat guy, who's always on time and probably the best fucking editor on the east coast job. So it'd be all right. Well, I know you are sent an Email, those were better resume than the last guy super fat guy. Great editor, he the two qualities that the other guy didn't have this guy. He's fat. And he actually, I yes, correct? We have another guy who wants to be Frank's guys. I don't know if this is the best way no doubt. What H L would cut this to hang up on this guy? All right. Gadio. What it name God it. What do you got? What did? Prayers feeling down fucking gamble. Do that too in, in some gambling debts on calling give four lakhs, if they lose don't ever listen to me again, but I'm on a twenty K heater and seven days, page guy locks on Twitter. Just launched it, you want, these lots of what do you give us the Qadi locks you got buddy Lewis blitz. I five star fucking play. It's a max play Moneyline Oakland aids minus one and a half. San Diego Padre Moneyline, Arizona Diamondbacks money line both for winters. Can't live this God, he's locked or stolen gold is going to open a book or pick. God is a great name to go with any mobster last name these out Bill. You're next on barstool radio. What's up? Trash the stellar king of the toys. Thank you. Shout out. Also from my talk Sam sitting here about to go into dog park. We're going to throw a ball for spell site that I do appreciate that you gotta press. So I was calling, I was just curious what you guys reaction was to edge of extinction. Somebody that got pulled it out that very early in the game can come back and win and I wasn't crazy about it. Survivor. We actually have three survivor guys right here balls to you. Probably don't want easing. Right. But that's also rage along short of it is going to be fast here, fifty seconds. That twist was extinction. When you voted out, you went to this island you waited there, there were two points. So after the first six people voted out, they did a challenge one of them got back in the game ended up playing a great game. And then when there were only five people left in the actual game, the eleven other people on edge of extinction. How to challenge to get back in a game. The guy the guy that wanted was voted out originally, third stayed on the island for three weeks. Won the challenge to get that on my God damn game. Absolute travesty the most point I've ever been to thirty eight C out west survive. That's not it. You when you give I've always had redemption island always vote you lose the guy who came in second didn't have a vote cast against him the entire single game. This kind got fucking put it out and beats its bullshit. Dave's out. Hope everything works out with Dell. Our to thank you.

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81 How Linguist David J. Peterson Created the Dothraki and Valyrian Languages for 'Game of Thrones'

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81 How Linguist David J. Peterson Created the Dothraki and Valyrian Languages for 'Game of Thrones'

"On two girls. One phone will be finally laid claim to the seventeen Castro's time gender being terrifying. Our technical difficulties marching beyond the wall and one kind of nudity. Expect from this episode. Just Thomas will be phone for dole. Find out today on the season finale on girls one from now here on them. I in their names a wave after winter handles wringers of signal scenes and bangles Alison over gun. Jennifer daniela. Hi, guys, look to girls one podcast. I'm jen. And that music is big as fuck every time. I don't know that quite enough credit is given to movie and TV. Any of it? All people are people right defa music. What are they called those raiders plus music musicians? I mean, like I read all five game at thrones. And if every time I opened the book that played out. You know, what though what the fuck is your name? Dude alley. Hi. Who's this other person in the room to hey, doesn't matter matter is name is Matt correct credit where credit is due love composers. But you know that theme is because written by algorithms and bots come on. It's twenty nineteen guys. Am I good? You. Somebody does on their iphone. No. But that music is fucking epic. Does it remind anyone else of the Westworld opener? It was written by the same people. It was same composer forgot their name. But yes, native it a people who make stuff for game of thrones. That's what we're that's what we're talking about today. Today's gonna be fucking epic. Talking about epic is fuck we've said fuck a lot in this opening apologies but colleges I'm listening at work. So if you could cool it substrate can thing you work from home. This podcast is our word that doesn't make sense. But okay. Today. Guys, we're talking to a well known linguist who created languages for game of thrones, death, rocky and Valerian. Are you all excited? Yeah. Game of thrones. So specifically because if you've been listening to this podcast for a while, we interview communities and crazy shit from the internet. So these languages you can now learn them online, and in fact, hive Lyria is offered undo lingo, which is amazing and fascinating and kind of ridiculous. There's a bunch of platforms can go online and learn fake languages. Why don't you can learn Spanish first guys to know, how people are using these languages planning to use them? I mean, these languages are like deadline, which is on a TV show. One of them is highly. And so are people actually gonna start conversing with each other in this way? Like what what would be the use of learning? This these languages I feel like it Finn conventions. For sure there. We'll have to ask people just like especially between seasons. They fall down these massive wormholes of like they can't wait for it to come back on. And they're on the Wiki is and they're on the forums. And they're guessing what's going to happen next. And who's going to be the king or Queen of west zero sin, whatever whatever. So. Yeah. Then they learn the language. Then they end up there. Why didn't I learn any curses in doth Raqi before this episode? What is it to Jill that was Esperanto guys? Check that other episode today we're talking to David J Peterson. And I don't know if you guys saw this. But I read an interview with him that he became interested in constructing languages through as Bronco, but it was like attending a course or a class on that. So off to find out if that's actually true. Yeah. Well, I think it's really cool because a lot of our listeners may have assumed. And I think I did at one point. I'm sure I did at one point that like, you know, they make up some words for the scripts, and that's that. But these languages are actually fully constructed. So that they are grammatically linguistically. Correct. What have you? And yes, so he's busy constructing language, you know, in languages, they're kind of big. At five Leary. It is up to like two thousand words. Yeah, I saw this. Maybe thought this interview with David on the daily show, and he was talking about how he creates what he calls naturalistic languages. So like if you looked at it would feel like real and that when he is creating the language he wants to create a history for the language. So that it feels like he said, quote, a well, worn shoe. I'll be interested to see how like all of the considerations. Like like, like, you're saying, it's not just vocab it so much of languages tied into culture. Rightly he's decide like I remember, oh, don't like eskimos. They'd like seven different words for snow. You know what I mean? So it's like, so many linguistic choices. Then mean that you are setting certain kinds of history for that culture 'cause all things made up. But if you decide that the threat key have like eight words for sword. You're saying something about their culture. You're correct for horse. Wind up from David. Yeah. This is the nerdy assed and greatest it like all these questions that you're asking about linguistics and fictional worlds. Good lord. This is Jim guys. Sit down you're. Podcast sit down we should first of all we should show and by show. I mean here. What languages were talking about? Obviously game of thrones is just the biggest hit ever. And I'm sure most of the listening audience is familiar with the show, and perhaps the books. So a couple of things I don't think really talk too much about plot. In this episode knows Wyler's everybody dies. Well, I'm saying spoiler alert like we come back to life though. I'm sitting spoiler warning. Because we may talk about characters and cultures that are relevant to plot. So if you're still catching up a game of thrones. And you don't wanna be spoiled stop listening. But Secondly, let's hear some death. Rocky and Valeria we should we should play it for the listener. So they can really hear and feel what these languages sound. Like, are you guys ready? Yes. Here's a taste of what's coming up on inside. Trader joe's. Why do you shop at trader Joe's because you have the key? Remember, you guys when you guys just had like, nuts and cheeses. Now, I thought it was brave of trader Joe's to record their entire podcast into threat. Shaking my head. But they can't gender you Fakih during. Yes twice. Thousands. Yeah. Trader ever just have nuts cheeses? Does anybody? Remember ads traitor? Does what are they just like Bodega just like a car like that doesn't make any sense? No, definitely not picky here. Here's the real. Here's a real languages. This is high Valerian. This is dinars who speaks this language. She is speaking it to a very emphatic speech to the to the slaves and citizens of a city that she's about to free from bondage. I believe. Exciting. They'll be them. Threat. These dollar gem of its threat this dowdy Assem. Daughter L, drip onto city, man. Many Jimmy vase, and I asked her about this done as brought to trust Serey knowing the AUSSIE dieting and young guy these stun young guy. Thrust Siyadi knowing dot the Orsi diary, I believe here. She's she shouting about the other cities that she this leaves that she freed in her in her quest here. I love that. It sounds like a talion Russian had like a super hot baby. You know, like that language. It's definitely sounds romantic. But it's also. Super hot babies. She looks just like our employees, Emily. They look alike. Oh, it's amazing. How you feel about language inside of you. When she's speaking it like, I'm getting like all these bad ass expressions on my face. I'm like making gestures. She's being a bad ass thing. I'm wondering if it's derived from romance languages or what like there's gotta be some kind of base that he uses. Berkshire. Do you got some more? And then like doth Raqi is it like is basing that off semitic languages because that's kind of what it sounds like. So here's a clip of death. Rocky. This is being spoken by to threaten key writers who have captured deniro's, and they don't realize that she also speaks to three because if you understand the part of the show she's been through this this rodeo before. So here's that sick of southern cutlass. Gina's commu cities, my machine cola Joan, my son, the shop that after as if he Michika worker he. Jodi is cut key out of. But I'm not Iran. Sit. She dynamics device go. Hey, Al together. Tuck Maha castle on my o suffered suck. Clearly seem it any Cundy semen dotty Monroe Inari aqui. Highly similar voice Shen vote. She about. So yeah, it's hard without subtitles when we're in audio form. But basically they're talking about shit about her and deciding what to do with her. And she's like fuck you guys. You don't know who I am. I am I'm the shit, and I speak your language so back the fuck off what a cool way to to take on a character to live inside of a language like that. Like, I found it. I speak another language. I spoke French for a lot of yours like a different part of my identity comes out. So I imagine what those actors speaking that language must feel like they're from those places. Even though it's a completely made up language. It creates an identity for them. That's so cool. Yeah. No. That's also just that just kind of blew my mind cause I'm like, oh people who speak multiple languages do. They've slightly different personalities and each. Yeah. Yeah. 'cause I kinda agree with your statement. But also, you know, you said the first one sounded like what did you like China and Russia, and I feel like this one was like Arabic and Russian. Yeah. Some back of the throat sounds or something that felt a little then also like some rolled ours. I don't know. I'm not a linguistic. I know that. That comes as a big surprise to everyone. Not we'll we'll find out from the source, but I think you guys are spot on Valerian in the show is is is like a deadline for scholars equivalent to Latin. So obviously, inspired by romance languages, and such and key. I think there is a rabbinic there's an Arabic baseline in there. I believe the death Raqi are like desert people. And so these are all the cultural things that feel right to our ears and that David Inc. I can't wait. Matt you've trivia can we get that on the way. Let's do it. I got some trivia for you. Today's episode is about the fictional languages from game of thrones. And today's trivia is about another esoteric language that is notoriously difficult to understand perhaps you have heard of it. It's called English as we know languages evolve in change for a variety of cultural reasons, that's what we were just chatting about for example. Did you know that the original English word for bear the animal bear is completely lost to time? We have no idea what bears were called before the word bear replaced. It. Why did that happen? I have three choices. Why was it replaced? Correct. Hey, bears were venerated as godly animals by bar Burien tribes in northern Europe. And speaking their true name was forbidden. So they invented the word bear as a respectful way to refer to the animal, and that eventually stuck choice b people were so afraid of bears that they they thought that saying the real name of the animal would summon it or anger it. So they would only speak the euphemism bear instead to stay safe and eventually bear replaced. The word that's choice b for C. A medieval clan known by the animals. True. Name was defeated in battle and their shame was so widespread that even referring to the animal by the clan's name was too embarrassing. So the euphemism of the bears replaced it for the clan and eventually replace it for the animal dub airs, that's. Thinking the whole time. That's awesome. I'm gonna go see I feel I feel good about going with see those are all crazy and only weirdly plausible. But I'm gonna go see because we're talking about like modern English replace to word if it matters. I wouldn't say modern English like, you know, Shakespearian English went back and revise history. It's more that there was a time where something happened and people stopped saying the real word and just started saying bear. And eventually we forgot the real word if that matters to you. But what's your definition of real- word? The original word, the original, original English word, we English speakers used to call bear, you know, Fakih Jew, and they stopped doing that. For some reason, why did they stop, and they started using bear c c and see we will find out the correct answer after the break. 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That's well, that's just licensing fees to like, use your likeness and your your audio likeness in the in the show. You don't make a lot of money from that. It's mostly the ads, and that should be direct deposit to you guys. I don't know why you're not seeing really really entertaining our listeners now, let's get trivia answer. Oh, okay. Today's trivia was about a silly language called English and particular word known as a bear. Bear was not the original name of the animal bear, the original word is completely lost to linguists and historians apparently why did this happen? We had three choices a bears were venerated as gods, and you could not say their real name out loud. According to northern European tribes. Be people were so afraid of bears that they were afraid to even say. The word so they made up bear. Instead as euphemism or see a medieval clan called debaters or the previous version was defeated. And the shame was so embarrassing that people stopped talking about their name and invented the word bear. Instead you guys both went with see the Ellen. Right. I'm feeling today. Okay. All right brand, actually. 'cause game of thrones. Is like kind of medieval. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Okay. And it's all about bears. But if you haven't seen the show, it's about a bunch of bear tribes. Yeah. Mother of bears. Correct. The correct answer is. Be the fear of bears. I just through my microphone. I knew. I'd get in trouble. If I did that shit be for bullshit. Plausible? So well, then thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. According to author Ralph Keyes who wrote a book about how you familiar change language, which is a fantastic interesting show in and of itself. The word Bruin was a euphemism. That means the Brown one. So people in northern Europe were so freaked out by bears and bear attacks that they would only say the Brown. One Bruin out loud for fear of like angering bears or summoning bears people stopped saying the real word so much. That Bruin became the defacto for the animal Bruin, eventually evolved into the modern word bear, and the actual English root of this word is gone forever. We don't know it. And I thought that was pretty cool Bruin also volved into a Boston sports team. At two. I'm glad you put that on there. Because I don't know anything about sports. I know nothing. All right. It's a time. I think we need to get into it. Guess it is time looking at my watch right now. I know you guys are chomping at the bit. Because we have a really good one today and on top of having David J Peterson the linguists from game of thrones and various other places with us today. We're also pulling surprise on another guest who is currently learning hive, and she doesn't know that she's about to beat David on the show. So let's just go. Are you excited guys? Yes. All right, friends GIO t- fans. It is time for us now to speak with the linguist David J Peterson welcome David. Thank you for having me keyarena boats, as we say malaria n- hi to Jen in high Valerian, and then to me until three key because I'm kind of like the wild one, and she's like a little boy civilized. Here. Read says DA news. Mutt? To muddle. Jelly. A little turned onerous that jesmyn. Same same. Okay. Media in that case. Let's take it way. Back. David, can you tell us a little bit about your background, and how you came to create languages when I went to college. I had a very specific plan in mind. I came into a declared English major it was going to finish majoring in English. And prove my writing it was fiction writer that I was going to get my credential and teach high school English and then in the summer, I would write fiction who's a very clear plan. I headed for quite some time. Parents really proud that instead of living in poverty and being a high school teacher, you're working for the HBO hit series game of thrones. I mean kinda like would be very happy. It's fifty it's fifty fifty. Honestly, it's one one parent is out. We come from a teaching family. A long line of teachers, and it's something that's still really calls to me to be teacher. And you know, I have I have periodically here in there. I've I've always been connected -education. I always will be. So there's there's always that part of it where it's like, you know. Yes, I'm doing this. But I probably could be a pretty darn good English teacher. You know, if I if I gave it the time, but you know, this is working this is working for now. So. Fine, and you aren't teaching, but we'll get to that in a moment. So I ended up to your story as usual. Okay. So you were you had this big plan? And then what happened? Very interested in language at something that came on very late just when I was a junior in high school. I suddenly literally woke up one morning decided I wanted to learn every language on the planet. And so I didn't know how many there were I figured there probably about one hundred had no idea there was almost seven thousand. But you know, that was it suddenly instantly became my goal. And I started studying languages on my own I added German my final year of high school. In addition AP Spanish, then when I got to college to UC, Berkeley, I was taking my English major classes, but I had a bunch of free credits. I can do whatever I wanted with. And I saw that Berkeley had over literally over fifty language offering some of them, quite obscure. And I was like, well, I know what I'm doing with my free credit. So I started taking language classes, I took Arabic. My first semester. Then the second semester to the second semester Arabic. First Mr. of Russian in the summer the first semester. Of class called Esperanto. It was a student talked class. And that was the first time either burn countered a language that had been created intentionally by humans. S Baraja was a language was created in eighteen eighty seven to foster international communication. It was. So so on that goal. But anyway, so I took that class. And I was like this cool people can create languages. I never thought of that before the next semester. My mother insisted that I take linguistics. I'd never heard of it. I didn't know what it was when I heard what it was that. It was the scientific study of language. I was immediately totally uninterested because what's the point of this? You study all these languages abstractly? You never learn them. I don't get it. But I took it anyway, because if filled breath requirement basically after a single day, I was totally hooked. It was amazing. It was really fun. It was really easy compared to English in. So I was like, yes, I am all in for this. Anyway, about a month in after studying all these different languages in different phenomena that different languages did in linguistics. I thought you know, you would be so cool by create a language that did all the stuff. I liked you know, and the key moment for me was deciding, you know, if I just created this I wouldn't have to have it compete with us Bronco and have everybody in the planet. Learn it I just do it for myself just for fun. And so the moment I thought of that I started creating my first language and that was it. I was hooked. I kept up with it. While it continued to be fun, which is nineteen years and counting so far my life, actually, half my life, and what became of that language. Yeah. What was that called that language? Oh boy. So. Is it first language ho? Yeah. Of course, never even heard of that. So my first language was it was it was a really bad language by by default. Your first language is always bad because I mean, that's just that's just what's going to happen. You don't know what you're doing? And so it's just a gigantic mess. But that first language was called make Davey to give you a little bit of background on that. My name is David I had a girlfriend at the time maim named Megan. And so through my mouth it with a love language. Okay. It was it was a disaster musical equivalent of of your first song. David how many languages have you created at this point easily over fifty? So yeah, a lot I created seventeen by the time. I started working on game of thrones. So you're so are you more fascinated in how I suppose in the construction of languages and studying kind of those rules. Yeah. I think that's a very pre. A very presient inside actually. And it's something that I think a lot of people don't understand about language, creators linguists. They're like, you must speak a bunch of languages like actually, I'm more interested in just learning how they work. It's fun. Yeah. That's really I mean, it's really the whole thing about it ultimately languages just as system right in. So it's kind of like, you know, people that are really big into into video games or table top or board games like anything like that. Or building cars. It's all the same stuff. It's just a system. Right. And that's kind of what interests you. So what are your top considerations? When creating a language or I guess specifically. Let's get into game of thrones. So you're tasked with creating this language where there some clues in signs. What are the things that you had to work with and what were your major considerations in the creation while the top number one overall imp-? Portent factor was that we were creating the languages for Georgia. Martin's books we were creating the show for Georgia. Martin's books so at the outset that was always the number one goal create something that makes sense with respect to what you've read in the books. So for me, the obvious first step was just saying what what is what is he done for two three collect every single word of it. Every single name that's supposed to be from doth rocky. Put it all on a list figure out. All right. Is there any kind of logical consistency here? That is is there a characteristic Zam for this language, or is it just gibberish was very fortunate that it was systematic at. He was writing it. If you get it from him, he'll say it's chance any wasn't thinking about it. But the work he did was too consistent for chance. I mean, it it wasn't necessarily groundbreaking linguistic work, but it wasn't just a completely copying. Listen terms of grammar are in like that. And be it was completely consistent coherent in that just doesn't happen by accident. And we know that because just open up any other fantasy book that you just happened to come across in the bookstore in his garbage in blazed in terms of the language. Just unmitigated terrible garbage really thing. So little little patients that actually obligated though to say that about him. No, I was surprised I was expecting garbage. Because that's what I'd seen. And so I was just I. Perhaps it was setting the bar the low, but I was just pleased that it was consistent. And then I was double pleased that the stuff that he had done wasn't directly copying the grammar of English. Like one simple thing to do. They're lots of little phrases of death. Rocky where there's a modifier modifier being something like an adjective like black cat. So the easiest thing to do is just change the words of English. Right. And so that the modifier is still comes first. But he first of all put the modifier second and was quite consistent with that. Throughout all of his rocky examples now, if you wanna go a step beyond that. The three language itself. It's about what you would expect somebody who has who has some big knowledge of like Spanish, French German. And that's about it. It's within that range of variation. So it wasn't going to be something that was wildly divergent from new European language. So like something that came from western Europe. And it's not it could have been something very different. But even so the fact that it was consistent and non English was was darn good enough for me. Okay. So you how clues that had given you a man. Well, what were your starting points? What other major factors did you account for when you began the process there were two things. One was I wanted to produce something that was high quality work or as high quality that I could do given the constraints because most of the stuff that had been done on TV and film was just terrible. Really just hanging. Just terrible. At just, you know, simple. Like, you know, me Tarzan you Jane stuff. One of two things either just you know piling up Neo little suffixes is completely a live native. Or just, you know, one word after the other in the words never changed. So I wanted to do some inflection, and I think it was warranted based on the material that I saw the book it seemed like a language it would inflict and second. I wanted to do some things that were somewhat complicated from an English speakers perspective. And so that's doing something like adding grammatical case, which is changing the form of a word based on its were mad of a role in the sentence. I definitely wanted to do that. And then the only other constraints were that, you know, this was going to be for TV show where you can't guarantee certain things. So it was going to have to be a little vaguer than it could have been that's been the case with every language. I've created for the most part for a show. No matter what's in the script. There are things that you cannot predict. Dicked when it comes to the actual shooting. So for example, the throaty probably if I were doing it on my own wouldn't have generic word that just means horse. Instead, they would always use terms like a Colt mayor Mustang. Philly those equivalence into throaty where they're always referring to like a specific gender of horse acidic age or even a specific coloring? Of course, that would be the way they would refer to horses, but I had to have a generic word in there. Because even if you know, there's going to be horses in a scene, even if it says in the script, you know, be sure to have these color a horses. Once you actually get to filming the darn thing. Everybody like sorry. The black horses were sick today. We got you some Brown ones. I hope that's okay. Not. Okay. But. You know, when I watched game of thrones, I often find myself to staring at the TV saying this was so hard to make thousand reasons. And now, you just added a layer of like the fuck and words don't even make sense because we got the wrong horses. I I'm having Zayed's continue. That's what it's like making a show because it's it's like hundreds of different people all with very specific skill sets all coming together to produce something and each one of them can all have a disaster. So what you're critic languages? Did you use a standard base like romance semitic or did you? Okay. So you just pulled these rules like I wanted to beat to mimic put it like this. Once you've created enough languages, you know, what they're going to do. All right, especially human languages that is supposed to be a believable human language. They're going to vary in a way that is much less. I guess diverse than a language could possibly vary created languages for aliens and monsters and other movies. Of course. Just like totally nuts depends. How alien the aliens are just blew my mind. Okay. We can't go down that wormhole as much as they want to some other stuff to disconnect. Right. Right right anyway. But like the idea is that there are certain things that you learn in linguistics, and there's certain things you learn the language greater so you you you've been down every path before. And if even if you haven't been down at you know, how to go down it. So it's like, you don't even need a refer natural languages anymore. Second they're certain certain principles that you learn when studying a bunch of different languages, for example, kind of a week one. But nevertheless, it's a it's a tendency that we see if you have the adjective following the now like dozen Spanish chances are the object is gonna follow the verb. Chances are the relative clause is gonna follow the noun. Chances are the possessor is going to follow the now. So these are. They're not hard and fast rules. They're just tendencies and some of them are like high tendencies like ninety percent of languages. We'll do this. If they do this others. It's like fifty percent. And so if you know that as you're building out the language, you know, the roadmap. You're like all right. I made this decision. That means this one is more likely so and this one is really likely. So I better have a good reason if I'm not doing that one with this one, maybe I'll just flip a coin or just decide what makes sense based on what I've created. So. Yeah, you don't need to refer to natural languages at all ever. But the end result should be something that falls within the range of variation for natural human language. That's there. Anyway, that is so fucking cool. Yeah. Since a lot of it has been created. You're saying like, oh, if I created this than later, this has to happen other scenarios in which game of thrones creates a scene for you that really kind of creates a problem based on what you already created. Time. It's not just it's not just with the grammar the language. It's also with you know, the culture, for example, I can early early on when they were talking about. They wanted to have some background eighty yard for death. Rocky betting on the outcome of fight or something as like a mill back. I said he know they don't have money, right? Like entire society doesn't have money. This doesn't make sense. It's it's it's gotta change. You know, if you care, basically, if you care about honoring the Canada the book because that's always the thing, you can't change it. If you want to change, and certainly as the seasons of gone on they've diverged far more greatly than they did before. But, but yeah, every so often, you know, something shows up, but there's always a way around it. You can get around like there is a season for there is a a line where they send it to me. I translated I sent it back, and they sent back note saying, can you change it? So that they'll. Recognize generis his name because deniro since it's a name. That's in high balilan it has to change a based on its grammatical function in the sentence. And so when they wanted me to translate you stand before generis target Ryan, you know, breaker chains, blah, blah, blah, blah before generis translates to Dinero Nigel up. And so it's not die nowadays. It's dinero. That's just how it translates into normal thing that happened in the language, but they're like English speakers aren't gonna recognize it. Can we change it? So it's like, yeah. I'll just create some sort of a funky passive, basically, make it. So that it's dinner was the subject of the sentence in. So literally, I changed the translation to us. Has it is like you are sap before by dinners or something like that. Or like. Just like, I changed the grammar. So it's like all right. You hear it correctly. It's just a weird thing to other subtitles too, right? I don't know. They would see her name there. How did you take Larry and from high to low? Yeah. That was just that was fun. I really enjoyed being able to do that. When one language becomes another. Especially in the context of the slavers bay Valerian three things happened one. The sounds of the language change. This just happens naturally happens to all languages we pronounce differently over time. Meanings of words will diverge slightly some not at all some quite a bit in grammatical structures will change because it's always the same thing. Everything that like you look at now and say, wow, that's really complicated that bit of grammar it probably arose because the people back then looked at another bit of grammar and said, wow, that's pretty complicated. Let's come up with some sort of conventions that we don't have to do that. Keeps happening. So that was what I did. I applied that process to high balilan with one added element, which is that they were in the oldest Gari empire. The the the people. There spoke discovery before high-volume was implanted is the language of government and became the language of land. And so there is a mixture in other words, he wasn't just the sound gradually changed. They did. But it was the sound gradually changed, partly because the people speaking the language didn't speak it beforehand, and they had a different set of sounds also there were words borrowed in from discovery where I basically had them. Take Valerian words for generic things and keep the discovery words for elements that were very specific to their culture. And so that's why like that's why the word for mother over. There has no connection to the Valerian word for mother that mother that word from other ultima. Came from guess, Cari. Wow. Okay. So you're is. Yes. Okay. Sorry. My mind is blown here because this so you're also like you really have to delve into the history in order to construct the languages if you wanna do it. Right. You work with Georgia Martin on any of this wouldn't communicate within quite a bit. And quite a bit about the language. But I think saying that I work with him would be me. Putting on airs? No what happens is that. Every so often I will Email him a question and sometimes I'll get a response, and I'm just overjoyed when I do. He's really busy. Also every so often he is e mailed me asking for translation help and all Senate back translations immediately. He has a higher priority for me than the show. Does like five to make a choice to stuffer him. Do you help the actors with pronunciation is there an onset coach something like that? How do they know how to speak it? Well, I record it relying on MP three got everything you've heard I said, I. And most of the time they're copying my exact, pronunciation intonation. The only time we're really changes as if because this is something I've discovered you read a scene in a script. And you imagine it in your head. And then you see it like, oh, woah, totally different guy. Totally misinterpreted. You never know. I was so confused for season five they're talking about this scene where deniro's like tips over a brazier right in. There's a bunch of firearm. Like, why don't they just step over it? Like like, I just couldn't see it in my head of like, I don't get this at all. How is this any threat at all? It's like, you know, somebody like if you're at somebody's house in a lamp tips overs. Like oh. Walkaway? I just didn't get it get houses working. And then it's like when I saw the like. Okay. Yeah. They really were trapped. Oh, that's bad ass. All right. Anyway. So I I record all the lines. They just listened to they repeat there is an have been a series almost a circus of onset, dialect coaches. I don't know what they do. They there for the English. I just just as long as they don't mess up my stuff, then I'm okay with them existing. But really, I mean, no, they're not gonna do better job. And I do and it shows you mentioned in an interview that you love that Emilia Clarke, speak still threat key with an accent like the wrong accent. Right. That was that was also I mean that was the way I recorded too. I mean every their lines differently. So, but also it was just the type of thing. I made sure to make it clear. It's like, hey, don't don't knock yourself out trying to pronounce this just go with your kind of English. Speakers sense. Do it like, you know, you're just giving it your best shot. And that was fine. I mean, it wasn't more. It wasn't fine. It was great. It was it was ideal. Her not pronouncing it correctly was exactly one hundred percent the right thing to do. So you're saying she could coast she could phone it in. And she's she's not all that. I'm I'm saying that coasting was doing her job. The tells incredible. So how much of these languages are created so far? I mean, how are you measuring that you would you would apportion language like what seventy five percent of a language soom? Like, you haven't created the whole language, and there was that interview. I think that says that there's about two thousand words in high Leary may be like how to build next. That's just words though. So surely as it complete. Yes, interesting. Okay. So now, it's deriving vocabulary that makes sense based on what else is created. And the thing is that's not a job that will ever be done ever. It takes it takes a long time to create even a single word for for one of these languages in. Some some words will take more time than others naturally. But it takes a lot of time to generate vocabulary. And just yeah. It's about two thousand words for Valerian four thousand words for doth rocky, and that's my largest religion and four thousand words, nothing compared to the number of words that any natural language has. There's just not natural images. Have the same number of words that doesn't mean that they're not complete right? So. It's just a it's it would take quite a bit of time to flesh out one of these languages. But I mean, the fact remains that I forgot on so many shows at this point. And then I have my own languages. I will never be able to create the amount of words that I want to for each of these languages in my lifetime, which is kind of I guess it could be a depressing thought. But for me, it's exciting. Because it's kind of like with a game. You know, when they had those percentages that say the percent complete you're in their people that really like to get to that one hundred percent. But then it's like when it's done, then what then you many sitting there, basically faced with your mortality shit. You're gonna die one day with the way, which is you create their never done. There's always something to do. And so that's that's really really cool. I mean, it's just an ongoing evolving art project. Well, it's these languages are complete enough. Obviously that other non game of thrones. Actor people are starting to learn them on a lot of different apps, but specifically on duo lingo, we know of in his on there and people are learning it. So, you know, it's one thing to construct a language imagine. It's a totally other thing to teach it. So can you talk about your involvement with online courses, it was it was a challenge sitting down to create the dueling go for for hive Lerian, first of all that was my first. Interaction with the back end of it. So there was a. A not insignificant technical hurdle to overcome to figure out how that even works. But then it was like I sat down. I was like. Oh, yeah. I mean, like, I, you know, I have this language, and I know it, and it's all there. But yeah, what's the best way to teach? Schoolteaching dreams. Yeah. It's like the thing is like, you know, also, I never really taught a language before. Like, I've I've taught before it's always been, you know, writing literature. Thanks like that or even linguistics, but like an actual language where the goal is you want somebody to be able to learn this that was that was I had to sit down for a minute. About how to do that. And I'll tell you the truth. I don't know if what I came up with is the best solution. It's just it's the one I did. They're all right with it. I hope they don't hate me when they get to that section. As you know, we're gonna have somebody join us soon, who's learning Valerian undo lingo. So we can ask her, but we're going to surprise her. So when she comes into this interview in a moment or two, I think David, you know, that we're not gonna let her know that you're here. I will listen respectfully great. So can you tell us a little bit about how you decided to how people should begin. Like, what are the first steps of learning highly invert sample? What did you decide was like the first thing people? Should learn the way I did. It was this I figured when it comes to learning hive Leary in there are several big hurdles, especially if you're coming from an English speaking background one of them is going to be. I mean, there's always the the basic stuff. It's like, oh, there's new letters had pronounced. That's that stuff. Is you get with everytime, which with us when you have to learn about noun cases, which you don't have in English. Really the the closest we have is saying, you know, like I saw him versus I saw heat. It's the closest we get in English. So I was like, okay. That's the first big hurling have announced. So based on its position senate's, okay? Exactly. And it's not actually its position in the sentence its function in the sentence. So you would say something like him. I saw not he I saw. So the. The thought was there. It's like, okay. So along the the the course then we want to slowly introduce them. I throw the big one right off the bat that you know, objects are gonna have different forms start there. And once they get used to the idea of a case introduced another introduce another introducing others. So like, all right. There's that that was going to happen on one track. Another was that there is going to be gender in this language and not only was there going to be gender. He was not going to be generally riphil millions. So there's no like masculine feminine neuter their abstract genders other actually called solar lunar, terrestrial aquatic. Those are the four genders cool. That's a big one in. It's going to be a lot of memories -ation. So basically, it's like, I do the very basic stuff for you. Don't pretender doesn't exist in like the next big thing is like here are the four genders. Here are their endings try to get used to this. And then after that, there was the fact that verbs have different tenses than they agree with the subject in different ways. That's. Less of a big hurdle. Because a lot of English speakers are used to having to do that type of thing when they learn any other European language. Why did you decide four genders? Here's a technical reason. So basically, the genders are a result of a cross section of two factors. One is the theme attic elements, so just the pure like these ones take more like, you know, e- stuff and the other ones this is more s n os stuff. So there is that separation by just the sound of it. Then there was a further separation in to a count nouns versus mass. Now, a countdown is something like a book, you can say I have a book. I have I've seen books. You can talk about one of them are many of them amass. Now, something like grass, you don't really say. I have a I have like a thousand grasses in my front yard is say there's grass there, right? And so then two things mass versus count produced four genders. And I thought how are they going to conceptualize these things since there's no obvious Matic tie for any of these. And so I thought well, that's where folkloric explanations can come in. And they chose nouns that were very prototypical each of those genders, very basic and came up with these oppositions that is the son in the moon are count nouns. And so you can talk about one son to sons and sell or and then also the moon in the end the ocean, the moon in the water have a connection, and then the sun and the land has a connection. And then of course, you know, land and water, they're both mass nouns. And so that's where the names came from. It's just a way to help them. Learn okay. That was a long. Minds are Spanish seems a lot easier. In terms for gender. Learn that one more fluently next. So David are there any online communities that you know of where people can practice together practice hype? Aline for example, together this been the case ever since I started working on these shows I tried to start up a community into three like season one for game of thrones. I thought it was going to be big. I thought this is going to be the next cling on topped out around seven members. They're all friends. Now, they're they're they're friends now. But even so it kind of fell off, and I was like all right. This is never really gonna happen. It's never gonna be as big something like even not from appetizer. And then just like. Things really changed when I joined the hundred for the CW created a language for that. And suddenly, they were actually people that wanted to learn this language in for euro communities in making websites and everything that was the first time I'd ever seen one of these communities, and they're still very very active slackers the best. They there's like a thousand plus people in they all chat intrigue at a slang. And it's basically invisible. The most people was nobody even knows about the hundred. We just got a season seven season six coming people know footnote for two g when pe- listeners we had a fan fiction episode, and our guest spoke, very deeply and highly of the show the fan community runs real deep though. Yeah. Well, it's interesting that like scope of audience does not necessarily correlate to like the fervor of an online community. Exactly, exactly. That was what I ultimately decided or figured out about game of thrones. Which is that first of all it hits a different target demographic. I mean, obviously, tons of people are watching game of thrones. But it's really it's intended to be like, you know, a twenty something through forty something show. Where's the hundred was supposed to be like, you know, fifteen something through twenty something show? You see it with Georgia. Martin's books too. I mean less that now than there was at the beginning. But there is very much the sense that it's like, oh, there's dragons than stuff put there's also lots of sex in violence in all this stuff. So it's really, okay. For me to be watching this really kind of anti fantasy Currence your Atkins. It's not okay. But six in violence now. It's okay. Exactly exactly so humanity. I think for a lot of these types of fans, it was like, oh, we appreciate the fact that there was some real hard work that went into creating these languages, but it's like learning it out God. No, that's like fantasy dress up in putting you know, Klingon foreheads on type of thing. No. We don't do that. So I think there was a lot of that at the beginning. And why there was kind of like a lukewarm reaction to the languages of of game of thrones. Not that people didn't like them that that no they're not gonna jump on board and learn them so that was a slower built. And Consequently, I kind of ignored it. And then it this like these fan community has really sprung up overnight in really without me. And without my knowledge. So ask me like where do you go no idea? Like, I this to lingo for high Valerian has eight hundred eighty thousand people that are actively using how that's not people who have ever used it that people who are actively using it. Never back to some event. Some actual communities of language are there, some languages fewer. The language is fewer than eight hundred thousand you're talking about actual fluent speakers. Yes. I thought you were talking about on dueling go like my language is up there. It's it's passed a lot of languages on dueling, go in terms of active users. But yeah, no it is larger than. Than definitely than some native speaker communities for a dozen, really unfortunate reasons. Just being a people don't respect language the way, they should. And I'm sorry. This this go far field. But it just it really sucks that. There's there are somebody that grows up speaking a language, and then they go into the real world. They're like, well, guess what you can't get a job in that language. So it's useless. It's like, but that's the attitude. That's why a lot of languages are dying now because they're not seen as economically viable, which is just insane. So are you is there a piece of this kind of torn that people are learning? Hi, Valeria while other real world languages are dying out. No, they're not. They're not related. I mean there. There's no connection whatsoever. Between say like some American who probably never cared about studying any other languages decides the start setting high Valerian, and then somebody deep in the Amazon rainforest who has to learn Portuguese in order to make money. There's just no. Connection whatsoever. So so how did that work for you where you realized oh shit? There's been a boom now people are interested like how did you? Discover these fan communities or duo lingo just reach out to you in like, hey, did you know, you got the following now or just I just wanted to do when I when I saw do lingo. I was like this is the best way to learn a language aside from literally moving your entire life to another country and immersing yourself. This is the best way to learn a language, and it's free. I can't believe somebody came up with this brilliant. And so the first Sada's have like God, it would be so cool. If language craters could make their own courses, then when the incubator came around that became a reality. So like for me when I got the opportunity to do Valerian. There is no question. I was doing it. I didn't care anybody used it this. I was doing it for me. I thought it would be cool. I mean, I also thought it would be something that it would be like, you know. Hey, check this out. Here's a created language. And there's an entire course in it's really complex just like with a natural language. You know may. Take a look at other people who have created languages. Maybe they can do the same thing because the work is there. I really didn't have any expectations that people would learn it, especially once like they have cling on there. I was like, oh, we'll certainly not going to get as many speakers that I've doubled them up. So we have our other guests joining us shortly for our big Oprah moment. So I wanted to get in a few questions for our discord server before she joins us, so Chad. And discord asks what's the most challenging language that you've worked on? That's that's an interesting question. I would say the most challenging has to be indulgence men, which is one of the languages. I created for defiance. It's police in language and a language for research beans least when they were originally conceived had genetic modifications and didn't have constraints on things like working memory. And so that means you do things with language that went beyond the capabilities of human beings. And it was just it was really difficult kinda hitting that sweet spot. It was by second go at a poly synthetic language. I think I did a pretty good job. But I don't think I did a great job. Work with. Yeah. That's the problem. Also asked what's a language feature? You've developed that you wish could be ported to English. That's an interesting question. I don't I'm pretty good with English. It kinda like it. I think probably the best feature. The most useful feature that I wish we could have is an inclusive in an exclusive way. In other words, that's persecutions. When you say like, oh, we're out. We're going to the club. It's like a really when do we leave? It's like Ono way. Not you. It would be nice to have a very clear distinction right at the beginning to prevent misunderstandings, which is half that tons of languages. Do Hawaiian has it. For example, all the Polynesian languages have it why have a quick piggyback question. And maybe this is more about phonics than than linguistics, some curious your thoughts. My daughter is six she is really good at reading and she starting to read, and she then has thoughts in her head, and is then writing them down, and she's writing everything out phonetically, and I'm looking at the paper, and I am reading I understand every single thing that she is writing all of it is spelled wrong. And looking at that. And I'm like English is the stupidest language, and she's trying to sound out words, and I'm like, okay. Well, this letter makes it different sound because it's an exception. And this letters modified this letter and this letter has to go here. And I'm like this language spoken. Stupid. Why did we speak? I know why we speak. But like, what are you said you like English as linguistically like why it's out? Seems magic. Weightless? You don't you? Don't you have to separate a language from its writing system? Okay. There are patterns of of systematise ity in all writing systems that English is English is one of the worst. It's not the worst Tabet. In is the worst to betton is far worse when it comes to a writing system. There's basically two polls. Right. There's one hundred percent phonetic. So that you read exactly what you see in. It's always pronounced exactly the way it is. And then on the other end there is one hundred percent. Non phonetic, which is you you don't pronounce anything Lankans just pictures riding in all writing systems lie somewhere in in the middle. Mike Spanish, everybody says I'll it sits Berkeley phonetic you spell, just like he's like, no. You don't. No. You don't what about what about why versus double L? And what about silent h his like? Oh, yeah. But the the Enin in so yeah. Spanish was not perfect knowing which is perfect. And that's fine. You mostly get it English English as a little hard. But this is one of the problems with that. I when it comes to reading you don't actually read the letters in sound them out. That's not how it works. You go by word shape. So you kind of recognize the shape of a word, and it just immediately triggers the correct pronunciation in your head. If it's a word, you're unfamiliar with then. Yeah, you're gonna need to sound it out a little bit. And you might not know what to do with it. Most of the words that we don't know the or long they tend to be latte Nate. And so you can you. Actually, sound them out. Pretty all right. So that's not so bad. It's just always weird. When like you come across a word like you've never seen before in our like, and it's like, a Germanic origin. And it's just like what the hell is that? It's fascinating to me. Watching a new reader come across words, and she doesn't have all the word shapes yet. She's looking at it. Like what what's this? I've never seen this before. And it's really fascinating. So I will say this the the English writing systems should be tie as if it is not phonetic. I really get should me. It should be taught something closer to like Chinese where everybody jumping in knows that you know, what this is. You're not gonna look at this not to pronounce it. So that's that's one thing. Second thing. I do wanna get this in their fleas. Take photographs of everything that your daughter spells I- guy. Yeah. Really really pleased do that share them online because it's very valuable for researchers. For like for memories. But I will send you everything like. Cool. She comes home with a homework around sight words, which is teaching her exactly what you described of like look for this combination of letters shapes and just know the word and memorize your word. That's the way to do it. I don't remember that from growing up. So maybe we are shifting educationally, Dino, I hope I hope so is depends on region because and they always feels like every two ten years flips because some parent read something in some magazine, it doesn't mean anything movie like we're going to do I'll find ex again. You know, just happens. We have one more question for discord server, and this one's a little out there. So let's see what you think chess wants to know if you've found an application for your skills outside of fiction. He says I'm thinking of the bliss symbolic system that was modified to serve as an alternative or steppingstone for those who cannot speak to be able to communicate. I should. You should definitely look the the history of that. It's it was detailed in Erie. Go a book about bliss. Symbolics turns out that guy was shit. Anyway. Happens a lot with some of these guys. That's a type of thing where it's like I do that. I bet I definitely create something better than bliss symbolics. It would be useful. I could create a a language that is like ten times better than Esperanto when it comes to international communication thousand times better nesper auto. Honestly, I throw a tomato at wall. It'd be better. Speaking to you. They do they do anyway. But. When it comes to things like this. It's always a matter of adoption, you know, on the Winstons, you know, like licensing, adoption, I guess that is if you do this then what who's going to do anything with it who's going to care perhaps? Nobody nobody's asking the question. And those do the few that do they don't care what language creators think usually end up going to a linguist to thinks that they're doing something very good in clever. But of course, they've never created a language before. And have absolutely no idea what they're doing and ripple Kate a million problems that we've solved on our own ages ago, actually, lied WalMart. Chad also asked if you could get the world to speak one language, would you and what language would be it? Literally wouldn't matter. If everybody spoke the same language, it would be great. If it was done by magic of the night would say Hawaiian because then that would mean I'd get to speak Hawaiian fluently. But I really don't think that's the direction that we're heading magic. Magic you think that's the direction phenomenon that we've had were things that are invented in Star Trek there. They basically work like magic in Star Trek, the universal translator. Right. It's this. Magic thing. That's in. Everybody's head in Star Trek just magically translates everything we are getting there, and I'll tell you how Google pixel bud suet. And there's yes, yes. And so we're getting better. And so it's going to be the point where it's not going to be the case that everybody needs to speak the same language in it. Also, not going to be the case that everybody needs to speak English pretty soon, you can speak whatever you want. And these things are just going to get better. And better if it gets successful, we're going to stop seeing the phenomenon right now where everybody feels pressured to learn English. I think it's going to stop three thousand tangents, and I talk to you all day, but we have someone else who wants to talk to you. Then she'd doesn't know you're here. Speaking of learning languages onto a lingo. We have somebody who's doing that. Just right now who's with us. She just joined her name's Manica. Welcome. Hello. Hi, thanks for senior. Thanks for having me. Yeah. So you're onto lingo right now learning which languages right now. I'm learning. Hi Valeria in German. Wow. Okay. And why did you decide to learn Valerian? Well, so my game of thrones journey started. When all the seven seasons came out after it finished. I was like really sad because I wanted more game of thrones input. And so I heard from like my friends parents said, oh, there's high balloon on dueling going. I'm like, I already have dueling go German. Okay. I might as well just use the private area. So like during my Christmas break of last year. I decided to sir learning high Valerian, and it's been really fun learning that 'cause like whenever I listened to or like watch the show I kind of some sometimes can understand a few things in that just really exciting career here. A little bit of it film. The film. Let's see. I mean, the only phrase I remember right now is, you know, the scene where a deniro's she like pretends to give away one of her dragons, and she like pretends, she doesn't know Valencia. So like blue yo mood. No in goes new as ISSA, that's means Valerian as my mother tongue, and I might have butcher, the pronunciation, that's a really hard part. Can you say I'm so happy to hear on the podcast world, two girls? Say a bunch of debris, and you might not even good point Medica. Should have done that. And then told me. I was really impressed. How is the process going of learning hive Leary and particularly on lingo? How's that going? So in do lingo, it they make it really simple. It's it's like the exact same is earning a real language, for example, I'm learning German, and like I go through sentences in like try to remember vocab in to pretty much the exact same thing in high Valerian is just that the pronunciation, I think is probably the hardest part high Laron 'cause it kind of reminds me of like a lot of romance languages and an like a mix of air big in those languages are kind of hard with pronunciation sometimes. And also, I think in do a lingo the when I was learning it they didn't have like the the audio option. So I would just be reading it. And I would have no idea if like if my head is saying the right thing feedback for the people who made it. Yeah. That's good. It's so cool that about language was created by a real linguist that blows my mind. Yeah. I mean, it's it's kinda crazy. 'cause like if you really think about it, just like fictional languages are like the same Israel in which is, you know, people like get these sounds and put them together and make language, and if enough people like understand it and like say, yeah, that's a that's language. It's a language. It's now a real language. We're you surprised to hear that. It was so constructed like that that linguists like came up with the rules of the language. You know, that it isn't just like throwing some words together that someone really figure out how to make this language bunk shin. Was that surprising? That was actually really surprising to me. Because like when I think of a fictional language to make the easiest sense would be just like to have it on the show just to fill in some spots to make it seem like, you know, like kind of real I was assuming like the only words in the highly dictionary would be like whatever's on the show, but then like I learned that this link was he pretty much just like made a whole language with like, oh whole grammar structure that other people can learn if they want to do you think that he is a genius or free? I think honestly, I think he's a genius because he's got enough people. I mean, there's probably a lot of people learning dueling go in that's cool to like have like you made a ba- language like so many people decide they just wanna learn it while it's it's good that you didn't call him a freak because we do have a surprise for you. He's actually here right now, the linguists to create. She in rocky, David your sense. He's with us. David is not our engineer. In fact. What to me? I. He's a terrible engineer. He's really failing. Pretty good. Engineer. That sounded like. How was her pronunciation David pretty good? Pretty good. If you use some work for you. Thank you. Any language accepting pretty much for me. Always is the beginning. It becomes easier time it's gotten easier for me as I've been recording the audio for the course, now, do you have any questions for the gun? So much pressure. Right now, like where you in the course and curious I'm not that far because I started during my winter break, and then like I had callers and that took up my whole life. So I was gonna start learning it again over the summer to the numbers one. You have you know, gotten area too good because I don't wanna. The nightmare. To learn this. To the numbers use the four genders. Is that the problem? Well, they're all adjectives. So they have to agree in gender. But it's just it goes even further than that. They're all different types. And then there's it gets even more complicated when you like fourteen because there's coordination in terms of how things work, and then there's different rules about how the thing is. This upon yourself. Like, you didn't have to do it like that. And you did just didn't know I would ever have to actually use them. I mean, I don't even think I use like a single number and throughout the entire course ah translating stuff or game of thrones not forever leering anyway funny incidentally for episode one of this past season. I use numbers for th- rocky. It was like how many how many today, and I it was like eleven goats in three sheep. So I translated that Senate back and then for whatever reason they decided like, oh, no, that's an unrealistic set of numbers. They changed it to like eighteen goats, twelve sheep in the subtitles without changing the death. Rocky. Oh, no. Yeah. The numbers row. She picked up on that on Twitter picked up on it. Oh, there you go. Spot on. I was gonna ask I assume that you can't go on Twitter anymore kenu, occupy strange neutral position all of these shows. So anytime people are not happy with the show. I don't get the I don't get any of it. But if they are happy with show, I get nice compliments delightful screen. So Minnesota when you get to the section on numbers. I'm sorry. And actually when you get to the section on family members of gotten there yet. We wasn't that in the first part wasn't basics one. Yeah. I've done their own away. Ono not that not those not those. No, no the fool section on family members. No. I haven't done there. Yeah. When you get there. I'm double sorry. It was such a cool system. I came up with and then I was like, oh now I have to accept all possible. Translations of this. This is a nightmare. When I get to them L think about it. Just just out of here as you do know there's audio now. Right. Yeah. I know there. I know there is now. But when I first started, I don't think there was no there wasn't incited input. Yes. So that just made it that much harder to learn because I was like, I don't know how I'm supposed to pronounce these like for me like when I'm studying languages. I don't even care. I mean, I can see it. I mean, I didn't care. But then I'll then I would like listen to the show. I'm like, oh that doesn't sound. Like, what am I? Sounds impossible without audio. Always should have my head the winning. Here's things in my head. It depends on what you're what you're hearing. Right right anyway. Well, I'm glad I'm glad you're you're taking the course and hopefully enjoying it. I know that you at least you're enjoying it for now when you get to family member, not so much. Medic medico, and you learn a decent amount of Valerian who you're gonna talk to do you have plans for practicing somehow, honestly when I'm going to do is. I'm just going to like go to random places in college. And just start saying, I think. Starbucks. Yeah. I was Starbucks on campus was like go there and just start talking to the cashier and high billion. Here's things. All right. We'll see how that goes to us. Well, thank you Medica for joining us. And thank you, David. It's been an absolute pleasure to speak with both of you. I wish I knew how to say thank you in high volume. Do you lean say Ganley say go ahead? Get both saying one trill. Trills? So you guys can learn high volume. What do you think? No, I really love talking to him. But no, I'm not going to know. No fucking chance. Johnny Mr. Esperanto. No. Thanks. I love learning languages when I used to, you know, in college when I would learn them sad that I've forgotten I to me to Ellie what languages do speak. I can get by basic Spanish, my Hebrew was never flew in. But it used to be like proficient s- where I remember. I was having like an ideological debate with some settlers in the West Bank. And I remember thinking, I don't agree with what they're saying. But I'm so excited that understand all of it. Now Hebrews like pretty shitty. And it's really frustrating. And then I used to know some basic Arabic to well, specifically, gypsum colloquial. I could say like all the basic stuff in terms like getting around expending. Why was there yada, yada? But I haven't used any of this decade. Yeah. So it's gone now, use French speaking French, Matt what have you got your Spanish? No, I got nothing barely English. Then you you're the one that you need to take one for the team and get into and learn high bulimia. Because it's about time. It's about the amount of languages already know. That's right. That's filling that space eighty ties actually. So I mean, I I took the time and probably Spanish and talian maybe in college. But like. Now, I was really really bad at it. And maybe should have gone to class. I shouldn't. Yeah. Shouldn't have slept through class. And then I'm a terrible student, and I'm like, I'm bad at this. So stupid. I'm not coming. Yeah. One thing we forgot ask Davis. Who gets the the iron throne, right? Yeah. Yeah. Most. No. He definitely knows. We think everyone's going to die on they're going to be like a brand new character. The like appears and takes going be like really underwhelming Harry Potter just pops up in his like, hey fuck. Yes. That won't be underwhelming. It all. Let me Hagrid just magic sway their I'm Ed. Anyway, that interview was long I loved it. I don't have too much more to say. I thought the discord questions this speak where phenomenal. So well. Typing hand dischord you have to go to discord dot g g slashed to g one p m n were chatting over there. But we always want to hear from you as you guys know in many forms. So please find us on Twitter at June bugger, I'm at Allie gold. Tell us your favorite language to curse in. 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Game Of Thrones - Series Recap and Finale

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Game Of Thrones - Series Recap and Finale

"Attention. Please be advised. The following episode contained spoilers. Don't say we didn't warn you. Wrote off into the sunset with. Yes. And everything would have been fine torment, which there is still a chance. The live. Yeah. Nerd on? What is going on? Everybody. Welcome back to nerd on the podcast. You didn't need, but you deserve all levels of nerd are welcome. No matter what house, you find yourself in, whether by choice or by, or if you're badgen, or, or that, that's also option that it is actually kind of a valid option. Let's get started. I'm Josh, I'm Caitlyn on Tom, and we are actually joined by a friend of ours. This is our friend will pretty. Will is if you're familiar with nerd on. He is one of our writers. He is our assistant editor. Yes. Yeah. Right. Some of the articles that are on our website goes to eat three with us puts up with us, but something that we found out recently is that he is a huge fan. I'm Roney totally. I think it's a throne. Surani. But before we get too much into it just for everyone know, hasn't clicked the fucking, title, and sees, what today we're talking about a special episodes of bonus episode. Yes, it is, is writing the hype train because we all people are gonna be talking about it writing high chain and all the dragons that are burning all of west roasts day were talking about the series. Finale of the climactic epoch show. That's ward winning on HBO talking about the stew based on the George r Martin book a song of ice fire talking about gamma thrones. Yeah. We are. And. I'm going to I'm going to take back the, the wall little bit. We are actually probably twenty minutes after watching it. So this might be a little bit of first impressions. It'll be a little nostalgia thinking back wrap up of the series. Yeah. It's going to be a very. Ailing very all encompassing conversation, very, not the same. But kind of the same as our usual show in lieu of will being here as you could tell we do not have Corey all e because they are not thrown these now. That's okay. 'cause they're also welcome here. Yes. They are as Corey says it's okay to be wrong. Yes. Wow. Wow. Let's get into it is this brought to us in part by this episode is brought to you in part by our patrons over at patriotic. If you are new to patriot patriotic, essentially a membership service in which you can support your favorite creators, say, I dunno nerd on and with as little as a dollar to five dollars a month. You can get special content like early access or access to a dischord server that you get to talk to us and to other fans all about comic books and anime. And there's even a food porn channel sending picture. So, so there's that but yeah, if you check it out neurons nation. Yes, the nerd on Nate Nate nation nature, channel inert on nature channel will here. We are nerd on dot IO backslash patriot. We'll check it out. I know I know again we're going to little off the rails. It's come first impression we just did a rap or we just watch the season series finale, but, you know what that means it's over. It is over its means that means we can read it right. We can read it and I wanted to throw a little fuck. Another wrench in there was some more dragon fire in that bitch. Wow. We're going to rate the season as a whole because that's what the most topic, top people, but also rate the series as okay? The pantheon of shows we've watched. So that means we get to guess that. Right. Mr. yes, so yeah, I'm not gonna explain it Tom. Always explain. Yeah. So that one time since we're going to at the end rate the show envy season at one out of five one being the lowest five in the highest of in the group rates at the lowest will be the grump of the week. We incurred everyone at home to play along send us lip and slide in the DM. So it was on Facebook, all things. Tell us what you thought about the series and a season. And who you think out of all of us would have been the grumped grumped the grunt the gras? Wow. So we have one out of five on five team plays out of my you can play along. Okay. So my Lancaster shot glass, courtesy of will. Yeah. And my Barassie in killer. Cuts literally. So I have always explained so one out of five for the series, I'm gonna guess. Oh, where this is going to be two separate series season. Okay. So it's going to be two separate grams or the same for the series. I think maybe the groom for the season, I think Will's going to be the chrome. What did I just do the show how while we need to track this? I got a pen right here. Here's a pen. Yes. Daddy track that try to ask. Okay. So you go for the. Finale, or for the it's the series and the seasons and right? Yup. So for the whole series, I think. Then you can't pick yourself. I am. I'm aware, and I wouldn't anyway, but I think Josh will be the ground for the series for the series. I think Tom will be the ground for the last season. Okay. I think. For the series as a whole. Caitlyn. He's gonna be the series as a whole chaos in the season. Sheared. I think it's gonna be Caitlyn to for two, okay? So will who do you think will be the grump the lowest scoring person for the season and for the series? Let's see, for the series based on what, you know, of us, I think I would go Caitlyn for the series three on Kaelin and for the season. I can't pick myself. No. You can't. Oh. Away. Giving anything away. But giving everything away for the season. I think I'll go Tom kind so to on Tom for the season one on Kaelin for the season one will for the season, Josh three on Caitlyn for the series and one on Josh for the series. So at the end, you know, we're definitely do that. But let's go right into a long night. We got a long conversation. Talk about this. Let's go to the complete spoilers of it that Willie fucking started. The spoilers for guests that grump is first impressions aka initial reaction initial reactions. So let's just talk about the season the season. Would you guys thing what you guys? I'm going to be real here this season. I'm not completely on the internet train of where everybody's like I mean, I'm not gonna put my name on the petition to remake the season. I mean it's done. It's literally done. I love this show. I'm just going to be real whether it's a bad, whether it's a bad episode, I, I still trudge along, I still just trudge along. And, but the thing is, is like having those high expectations of something like every show has a bad episode and this show. Yeah. Maybe it had a few episodes after another that were bad. But this season. I really really enjoyed in general, there were some things that I was like. But maybe it comes with baggage that it's the final season the phone. Yeah. So I'm wondering if I can be special, especially since we are so off the, the coattails of the finale that I'm like, I'm wondering if there comes some baggage of like, just side don't have any chance to see it again, to get some like to really juice it out or whatever. But yeah. I say this with the season with this season, it was like, I still watched it and was like damn. But it was kind of like. Was this a party of back and forth? How about the series in itself, you kind of retyped about it. Yeah. The series. I mean when it first started it actually took me a few episodes to get into it. Slow slow Boehner, it was a slow Boehner at I really at first, I only started watching it because there was a whole bunch. I gave into peer pressure. People are like, have you seen this show? Do smoothies seen this new show game of thrones and I was like, no, I haven't I watched like one episode and I was like I mean, how did people get into this, so boring, and then I just kept watching. I was like, I'll just keep watching because people kept. Hey, do you watch it? No started. And then I was hooked. It was bad, like it's, it's you were like, yeah, I need the throne. Gimme thrown gives gives me some more. And it's like but again, it's, it's a media. It's an entertainment, where it's just like this is fun. This is so cool this fun. Yeah. It's a ride, so or it's a lotta. It's a ladder much. No, I want killing go last. All they know she definitely. Yes. Yes. Oh, yes. Yes. Story story will how about you season. Ben series how you feel high feel already season little addendum to this? How did you experience the show when, when in the time line of the last eight years, did you slow you could talk about the juror? I okay. Because for context because that's also a talking point. Okay. So my context is when it started the year, I started when it I mean, probably a few months, like after because by the time I watched it was been Djibril in terms of like, watch the first season. Right. So they had to be a few months into the first year and then you, and then I just when it came out of came out, and I kept up with it, so eight years billion. Well, for me, I didn't jump on board until maybe season three because I wanted to binge the, you know, the first season or to at least because I, I hate waiting for episodes, but. And I also had a bit of a time getting into it. I, I for peer pressure reasons started watching it, and we'll get you now I know we're gonna say full on family. Yeah, but as, as a series I should I go series, I or season I baby up to you to you. All right market as a season residue for sure. I'll say right into series then the series, as a whole is one of my favorite series of all time. The and I will say that part of what I like so much about is that there's so much content out there to consume as far as analysis of the episodes, and, you know, great podcasts like this one that gives information imperatives. Much stuff. So it I think it's just a whole universe much, like Harry Potter. Yeah. It's you can really just dive in. So it's, it's one of my favorite series of all time, there's such great writing Georgia Martin really, and especially I would say after this season. I appreciate his skills as a writer, more than I think his ability to kill a character. I mean. It's pretty silent iron, you know, they, they did still they're doing in this season is very much based on what he has indicated a one outlined. But I think the writing is just great. And the, the production team has just always consistently done a phenomenal job. It's it, I think elevated television in the time when tell we were entering the golden age of television, which we're in now and I think it's been a major part of that, as far as the season OSHA I think it's a something I've never experienced before, with any other show, where everything about the execution, and the, the place where things end up, I approve of wholeheartedly. I think it's a masterwork but when it comes to the steps taken to arrive at those places. Yeah, I'm very much let down and I think in some ways. Problematic. Representation of characters is created because things didn't have that lead up to where they ended up. And so we get this, like, what was the whole point of that? Yeah. Yeah. That's a lot of loose ends loose ends since for hamlet ends. Yeah. Yeah. So that's those are my opinions so to that point, I'll talk about the series how I got into it. I was dating this girl, YoM saying, you know. No. I was in college. And this one girl, Dane I fucking loved. I was in love with thousands of mayor this bitch, but we didn't. And I hope she's well and all that shit shout out who she is. But she was like. Can we read these books? I was like, oh he started with books. She started with the books. Okay. I, I don't know how read it's true. And then she was like, let's read his books, and I was like y'all by the bugs, baby. And then she can we show because this moody kisser it's like you know, they all start watching it. And so we started watching bits Valentine I'd buy books for you. Yeah. But watching the show when kind of sometimes you Josh, like where it was Benjamin, at that point, where okay? Maybe sees a one in the season two starting, but then I just kept up with it. But the thing is, I wasn't like I need to watch more episodes. It was like I didn't watch any season during the time of showing a wash it like months afterwards, you didn't need it. It was like, oh, aired, and everyone's like for me. Again one hundred percent. This is not only for me enough for rest of the world to don't be that person Sposa for people. I don't care about spoilers, I could care less about what happens in the story. I wanna see how it happens. And for me, it's kind of, like, well, how's it build up? How do these events stack up and compound on a character's? Motivations x y and z. And I enjoyed it, you know, like again, I for me, futuristic tech post-apocalyptic has always been more of my thing versus Middle Earth. Medieval fantasy stuff like that stuff. I'm like, give everyone the cold. No one has an antibiotics. Okay, great. Plot device flu the flu. It's like okay, it's like I have the power at shoo you dead. Sorry. Like, that's how I feel about fantasy most of the time, but this was kind of, like, oh, it's not about like purely the magic part of it. But then the girl is day at the time she was like, well, you don't understand when the eggs, are there when the white Wasser magic reignites in the world when okay we'll then cool and in the lower house. I really liked to me at the same time the show was out was was around the same time, little bit later on was like house of cards. And I really like the political drama like this cut throw. We like there's a position of power kind of feel and it's about the person who's not the most powerful who hasn't had the biggest the most cutting and I love that show like powerful dramatic character points care driven show. And so it's like who do you like the most like there's just a fucking guard in full of characters I like that character. This character. But as a season. Echoing a little bit of what the internet's talking about. Like I hate the season blah, blah note developing, I'm like, yo, does the end of the season and the series how, how much more like development you need for each. This is the point. We're supposed to get you. Those last seven is what those development were for, like, imagine a movie that ends like with, like a character. Let's try not one that's spoiled, but like hell boys, like, but I wonder who my dad is why it's a fucking stupid point to have a third act. Have some development. The third act is supposed to be the finishing point. The lessons are learned or they're not learned and the characters doomed to follow the path, they're on or the path ago, put themselves on. And that's to me how I feel like writing should be done. But nowadays, everyone's like universe building. So there's never really store like a beginning a middle or an end is like let's just continue the story. But I to me, I'm very much on the side of like there's not a very bleak outlook on people as well as how people are depicted and TV and I think, in a world full of soup. Heroes, and quote unquote. Like we should try to strive to better is something I love, but then in a TV show, it's where it lives in your in your in your home. You know you go you go out to see the movies be stay home to watch the TV and TV becomes a household name. You know, everyone's going targeting everyone's going to know you know, last or x y and z. So like, for me, I was kind of, like, yeah, these are the stories that you tell your kids all those parents that name there, little girls day. But those kind of things where it's like I'm so far, like, yeah, there's a, there's a big difference. I wanna talk about that later on in the show about the difference of execution in the show with the, you know, executive producers as well as show runners versus how Dr Martin had mapped up thing, but it will sit at that point turns of the season. My favorite meal of the is, well, at least people now know the feeling all the enemy fans get of while they didn't finish the show the enemy at. So here's the rest of the show to come out of this is so true, but it's kind of, like, you know, to that point you to make an animate thing full metal alchemist brotherhood, compare monogamous. They're still pretty good still good in their own. Right. So if there's ever an like another reboot of game of thrones, which, I don't think they should have another twenty five years at least like this is still stand the test of time and be like, hey, this is what it was. I enjoyed it. Nice kaelin. Tell us about your journey see the west. Your journey from the Red Sea, and the flags and the south west coast everywhere. So I- since this show aired initially v. Eight years ago, two thousand one I have had all of my friends being like this show is the worst your jam. Notre this is you this show is like I don't you should be on, like part of this phony, you should be thrown at one hundred percent a throaty thrown. I'm sorry, whatever it is. I like throwing her admitted up. I wanted to watch it, but it was just one of those things where the more time that passed the more episodes that built up. And I'm one of those people that when I binge something or when I start watching something if I like it, I will not stop to eat to sleep. I am that person. I don't eat. I don't sleep. I don't just been binge. I'm that person tennis. Specially. At the end of it right now. But yeah, so I knew if I started it that I would get invested, then I wouldn't be able to stop. And so I didn't actually start watching this until the very beginning of eighth season. You're welcome. So start washing it until the eighth season started. And I think it was last weekend. I told you I was on season four. So you did three seasons in a week. I finished a season and a half in a day epic, I done. Well to me that's not incredulous. I'm like ACA, right? Everyone. Hold of injury. I get it. But the time invested it's fine. I had like planned out like snacks and whatnot. People do some people do show prep. Yeah. I did the ladder and not very well. But so I watched all of this in a constant string every day I actually out great. It was because the story is like when you go year to year, some years, you're like fuck what happened last season every happened in Doorn. I was like what, but. He'll do that with Star Wars. Right. And it's good to, like, watch everything. All in one go because in a way you almost feel like brand a little bit because you have all of the past laid out in front of you. Feel useless. Wow. Thank you. Yeah. Because you're not getting up off the couch. I'm here where I'm supposed to be go on going. But so it was really it was nice to like see everything progress and anytime there, were I felt like I was noticing more, because I didn't have to worry about forgetting things, so I paid more attention. You know, I hyper focus on tiny aspects of shows moles like moles actors feel to see aria grow up. It was not as fun save time. If I had had more if the eight years had passed, but she looked the same she, she didn't like she just grew your. Oh, she's, she's fourteen to war closing. Yeah. That covered her up. So when she and Genry have a little time together. I was like, no, no. She's like twelve and then I realized, oh, she's a woman has been away for a decade, or I would call a woman. She kills him on focus. Yeah. For sure. So it was good and bad to have the well, because also you you'd notice more when things are dragging and the because once he's has a lot of momentum. Another doesn't. Right. So that's whereas a series. This was like phenomenal like it really is a master work. Everything tied together watching it all in one long string million dollars series. It's amazing. It's, it's there's literally nothing like it and who's so far well, up to this point, there's been absolutely nuts trailblazer. But then for the last season because I've been watching everything in consistent string it was hard to watch the last season because I get what you're saying with character development. They've been building towards this. But in the end it felt like they were just patting themselves on the back for getting to this point now. And that was hard to watch because of all, I mean, there's so much dedication in the show. Everyone who's part of the show is very obvious. Early in it. One hundred winter sent in it to win it all the way the risk of a man. Seeing all this development all this momentum. And obviously the world has to just continue the story has to continue in way to fall into the self in prophecies, right? But the way that they handled them just felt very like phony did it, so it's fine. Whatever we do is going to be okay, and it was, but it could have been something else. Yeah. I mean that's why feel kind of man, not that I hated it was great. It was. I mean what I watched it again. Yeah. One hundred percent just so I could pay more attention to more things. See more of the west rose will receive more of the world across the sea, right? Exactly. But marine and all that, but yeah so series as a whole holy crap a million out of ten like wonderful season like last season. With that. I think we should go into brief synopsis. So I would like so this is. Hi, tom. I'm going to try to go brief snaps of the series, as well as a season mainly more of the season. So the series starts off with the peacetime and winter is coming and the stark family and the breath and family are kind of preparing for a change of the regime. The last are there. The Lancers are joined with the breath and family. Let's say people get fucking killed for no goddamn reason. And then now everyone's saying they have a claim to the throne breath, Ian king dies. So everyone has acclaimed for thrown. So now we have Danny, who's one of the main characters who is a target area, and who was the previous king's daughter now has to find her army slate of free slaves. Find her way across this giant see that, you know, divides her from the people of west rose as well as lands realized there's so much, there's so much I'm gonna I'm gonna try and. The star families kind of small separate different places like after the death of their father like one has become a Sassan one like refuge, and winter fell, another one becomes like this king of the north and other one has to like defend the world from other worldly beings medieval stuff, ensue gets to the point where one of the start. Brothers died and other dies. One becomes his omniscient. God do sous death and sues one has come back from being the knights watched like worn the entire world of men, the realm of, man of, like, hey, like there are zombies and Rick Grimes not there. So that, like, hey look there sambas. So we had to do that stuff, Danny who's, like y'all. I've gotten become now doth Raqi. I'm a Kalisa now has a fucking powerful arms. You've got dragons aren't fear like these drags coming in, sir. Sees just mistress commandeer, like like just puppeteer. Everybody Tyrian who's kind of balancing both sides of being a last year. But also trying to find what's right for the world. All those worlds can convert. Urge finding all these different breath, Ian and grey, joys as well as Starks dying left and right to the point where we'll get to the the eighth season. Yeah. And there's so many intricacies, there are of like 'cause the thing is like, in the end the show is about the Starks. Yeah. Shows about the starch, but the main characters Tyrian because he has the most of it is George reminds favor character. Yeah, but I mean, the show is about the Starks because but there's so many characters that you follow their plotlines as well, that doing a brief synopsis of his show is like impossible. I'm doing God's work. Thank you. Season starts out because of the stark. John snow finds out. He is a tar Garin appeals to search like hey, look, Sarah difference, aside and thrown fuck that shit, material goods fuck that shit. We're at the fight for our lives because he's coming in by episode three should all done. And now it's like well, now target flip a coin gods. Like yo she's gonna become mad because her father became a mad king, and just burnt everyone. Fucking dragon fire and she's now only have two dragons, then blit only one dragon Caesar best friend fucking die. Everyone doesn't trust her. She realizes she has no love and the people outside of what she's freed from slaves, doth. Raqi. Unsullied XYZ saunas star is just doing all the things. He's learnt from little finger, as well as from sir c Lancaster John snow's, like I don't wanna be king. But then all of Kingsland gets burned to the ground because Danny makes a personal. And we've at the very end John has to kill Danny, because he knows that she will never stop. She become a warmonger she's gonna make a maniac and. Everyone dies trying to either fight for the fact that, like, hey, the, she's the Queen believe it her. She has a rival like claim to the throne, but Jon snow is actually a target area. So he has a higher claim to the throne various, dis and tears. I don't know what to do. He becomes kind of the audience surrogate for what is right. And what is wrong? And various always knew from the very beginning. What's wrong and right in the world, but Tyrian had to learn from making the mistakes he never had this? Like I don't need to develop. So he makes all the wrong decisions, and he learns from them. And at the very end Braun bran becomes the king of the free people, and the broken the brand the broken. I the Endo's king of people will protect protector the room and Tyrian becomes the king kings hand and John snow gets sent back to watch are stark is now this dope, assassin goes travels. West of west rose is a call east roost in San's. It becomes the lady of the north retaining a free people. And so we have that as what. They've been for thousands of years kind of echoed, a little bit of the, the story line of firefly with Nathan feelings character how he was like, you know, the civil war thing where it's like the people, the statesman, keep their own rights for the federal government could go fuck themselves. And whatever the fuck they want. So it's like the people of king's landing in west res-, like, yeah, you're the sovereign nation. But king winter fell will always be independent self winter, fellow always be the shield that defends the world from mystic powers and credits. Then I did a great job. Okay. Okay. All right. All right. Twenty minutes of just realize that this is like a battle star galactica. What has happened before will happen again? Yeah. To me that like from season three. Yeah. Like I knew like, no matter what happens like the thing about the show, I guess we could talk a little bit like feary as the internet goes of everything. The thing about the show, Georgia minds, very influenced by talking and talking very much, you know, row in, you know, created Lord of the rings based on World War, and is about war. It's about, you know, the people as well as heroes, as well as the politicians all the people that get affected by everything. Why they get affected by anything material goods and this show I feel like had the biggest. Like message to say that as long as men in humans. I guess live in this world. There will always be turmoil. There always be compromiser always be secrets. There will always be things that we fall in line and history will continue to repeat itself, and not necessarily a bad thing. But we must learn how to, you know, modern soc- modern problems need modern solutions. Yeah. You know that me modern problems require modern solutions Japan. Japan. So in that sense where it's like to me, like, if the whole world ended up in ashes and Danny became the, the Queen mad Queen and didn't die and then I to me and the show ended, I know, for fact story would continue with dingy and stark trying to kill the tar Garin because that's what happened before. And the world doesn't wait for tyrants, to become peaceful, like war will continue to happen. And so for me what everyone's like, I don't like the way all this stuff I get that point. But I also get for me. I'm gonna I'll end with this point. And then stop, I like what I liked. I read this thing on Twitter article or Twitter feed was at George Martin's Pancer and d- d- Di Weiss and. Yeah. The other show is applauding and I find myself as a plotter. Now what those things are forever at home. I was just gonna do you mind if I because I was going to actually bring that up no-go fuckers. Don't go ahead. Don't Josh ZOA, plotter, is somebody who plots out the the series the series, the, the story lines. They plotted out while as a passer just flying by the pants in more worry about characters pants or they're not the answer. They're just viewing a and c r means Pancer. So yeah, they're just allowing it to unfold. Right. Like a good analogy is at Georgia Armar has has he seeds, and he wants to plant them, water them, and feed them and treat them. Well. And this reason why all these books and it became like, well, I know I'm gonna finish it by the third book will actually any two more books to get to that point. Because I like these cares. I wanna grow them, right? Whereas the show runners D as on the internet. They're plotters. They know that we have to reach a certain, and, and we have to make sure all these eggs are in line all the stars align to a certain point. But which you lose on both ends is the Pancer doesn't really have a, a full through line, and it will never end the way that they think it's going to end in the plots. Like all the thing all the progress we've made kind of has to side in order for us to end the way we need to end. Yeah. And I and the article that or the thread that, Josh and I are talking about, like I really like the point of view that it had where it's like this, neither wrong or right? But people feel it and that's that's the points at the factual end of it is at people will feel the difference. Routine a Pancer plotter, and especially when the plotters have to take over for the Panzer because George Armand just doesn't wanna fuck him feel like he wants to finish the damn book because he wants to sweet time. And it's like I get it too. But it's kind of like now you're in the biz. Now got a kind of trash it out. So for me that's where I'm out. So a little bit about the production production. Yes, sir. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Guess so I didn't know who soon I offered, but you can do it. Studio was HBO show, letters, db, Weiss, and David Benham benef- off many off benef- characters based on a song fire. Nice by George Artan, the casts a lot of people Peter Dink lidge from death in death and funeral Infinity war men days of future past days. Feature pass nip tuck elf. Oh, yeah. No god. Amelia. Clark me before you Terminator Genesis Star Wars. Solo game of thrones. Might know her from a kit Harrington from silent hill, revelation thirteen Dag Dagon, how to train your dragon his ear. It Irit seventh son Soviet Turner x men, apocalypse starphoenix maisy Williams, TV movie house, called to even TV. Really clear we go, TV movie cyber bullied, the falling the book of love Lena Headley, he'd -ly. He Hiti could Lord names and words are hard English is difficult, Lena. Hiti Terminator series, purge three hundred the jungle book and Jacob Anderson, aka rally, rall and Richard Richie from overlord broad church. The TV show. First aired date was April seventeenth two thousand eleven where were you into eleven? Yeah. Let's hear. The finale is may nineteen twenty nineteen, which is today when you're listening to this yesterday on the rating is the general ratings have been ninety one percent for critical critics critics and eighty five percent for audience. Here's here's one thing, I would like to say, like especially about the casting, there's a huge Kassai big fucking to cast massive, but it was also like a career starter. Really like maybe not a starter. But a lot of these a lot of the actors that are in game of thrones game of thrones is one of those shows that like when you're when you're running around IMDB, and you're looking at the trivia, they're like this actor in this actor both in this, this is one of those shows that you're gonna see a lot of British actors which I really appreciate and you're gonna see that, like, Harry Potter's another series that they're like this actor in this sector. We're both in this, this show starter. Yeah. And it all of these actors all had something before this. But this launch them, which I really appreciate. I would say it's like me. It's like they've been working, and they began paid for it, but this put them on the map. Yeah. And gave him on. On the map. I'm working I have yet it's nothing of merit. So to thanks, fucking, Josh. All of us work for a big studio. Wow. Anyway. So we get into favorite parts. Yeah. The meat and potatoes and the fruits and the salads of now. Heart. So, yeah, I mean, this is showing a little different like last time we did a show like how would be, but it was like one season, right? Yeah. But then last time like TV live action series was stranger. Things wasn't even over. Yeah. Rick Morgan was even over yet. Yeah, this is over the first time that we've done a full show. That's that is done. Yeah. So I've action and had this many seasons in it. We have will. So we want to, you know, have the welcome wagon. So let's have a little fun with let's talk about favorite episodes, favorite battles cared not all at the same time, but you could just, you know, prattle off everything tight goat. What was your favorite thing? You know, like favorite relationship arcs, we'll go ahead and start us. The newbie. Gosh. I mean probably the thing that comes to mind. I is the red wedding. All. Now's is death right? Oh, no. No. That's the I think the purple is perfectly. Yes. Oh, Callen win calendar. Yes. Okay. No. It was great by time win had been writing so many letters at that desk now building tiling. Landis, send their guts, and they always pay the debts baby, always while the show is come so far, so so much blood so much. After the restroom. I can't take that. That's Cory, Cory. I love you. Well, I mean, I think one of the first game of thrones had this thing that they did. It was ten episodes. The ninth one was always like blow your fucking. Yeah. And the tenth one was like ready for next time. But. Tiers the first season, I think it was the green fire. Oh, I think we all were like working towards. We were like this is cool. This is cool, and then that happened. We were like Terry and showed his ass. You like the battle of black waters where the green fight they show wildfire season two. If green fire receives in one I one has Baylor where Ned stark gets, you know, you're right, you're right, you're right. Do you challenge will for dominance of? Yeah. I thought you said to Rony. But not. So while you love the wire episode classic. Yes, that was fun is the one where Tyrian saves king's landing right? Yes. Absolutely battle. Blackwater racer brand of the blackwater gets his shit. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I just remember all the green and like everybody's going fans his army. Yeah, that Voces son dies. Still hasn't visited his wife back home. Well, we'll whatever he's doing more important help mow the. Still has visited his wife. No not. Why will you Kaelin since you're binge binge escapade? What's your favorite episode so far episode or biolab that I don't have sequence or sequencer thing there? Okay. So there's one thing that sticks in my out in my mind clear. No, this the credit. No, it's, it's at at the wall. The just after at the Nightwatch where they've just had this like the long battle all night. I think it was the Wild Wings too. And then but and. No, no. It was something tiny and didn't matter it. It's, it's more of a large, of course, it is. Because it's means you, but it's, it's four larger statement of what they did with the show, and it was when John comes down from that, like, upper place where the elevators and he's coming down to like look over everything and on the railing, there's two handprints in blood of just like fingers, and it has so much weight of, like you look at that, and, you know, that someone was like dying or just held someone who is dying, and like was looking over everything that was happening in front of them. They were so good. Ghost the waiting to happen before it's things that happened before, and it's, it's, it's win. Davos is serving soup to all the soldiers as the, the little girl. Yeah. The little girl with the burns on her face and like completely. To completely throwaway situation. But like when she came on, I started crying, because I understood the weight of what it meant for him to see her. Absolutely. It's a callback to Charene who shrink much too. Read. Relationship, but, but the good at setting everything up. So that something that doesn't even matter hold so much week 'cause you understand where came Bogan isn't. They care about the character. You almost don't care. What happens in the story? Right. Because the coaches have been through so much, and you care about the world around them like those, those bloody fingerprints, we don't even know who that belonged to, but it matters because it was like someone who was there and, and accrue, the whole the whole premise of the fight with the nineteen and everything was about remembering the world. Remembering all these stories, remembering on these people, and it was so important that was most important through lines throughout the whole thing is people just want to be remembered, they want their name Freeman in history. Even with the Brandon's. The Starks Lancaster's everything everyone just wants to be remembered legacy. Dan talked a lot about legacy. It's all about and, and the show did such a good job of everything happened matter. Even if it was tiny which, even if it didn't matter which the show has a great strength of showing again, no shows ever, just about what the show is it always has a message at leaks into our socio political lives. And like the material of having thrown and having power and freeing people and breaking the cycle of XYZ. And like the legacy ideology is like you know what you leave behind. And then how do you treat, you know, your children and, you know, are they going to live up to your name? And are you putting them like on this, like prophesized path of like you have to live up to your name? Or do you live as a free person, and you're to fuck you want so things? Yeah, there's, there's so many great aspects. But those, those were kind of my main ones, but my favorite like relationship also was the hound and Arya. Yes. Yeah. That was like, the, the because it, it was rocky at some very rocky. It's then at the end you're like oh, you call the Sander shoes. I liked Ed Sheeran and how he dies. Oh, wow. How Josh what's your favorite sequence or relationship? Whatever I mean like I said, the battle blackwater was pretty sweet. I mean, I know that it was kind of a joke about it, but game of thrones of something that you just you really couldn't get too attached. I hate that the thing about this, this movie, the series is that it's easy to forget names. It's gonna it's been, it's been a long time since we've done, it's been an honor, not TV's shows on who you're talking to. So with this. I love the character and his storyline and that's why it upset at me so much when his head was bashed in when the red viper red vipers Lorient. Yeah. Yeah. I think he actually should be a reboot of Zorro. Oh. Actually Steve's shadow to him as in him as an actor like if you get see. Narcos narcos. On that. And he's an equaliser. Yeah, that's my mom. So I mean that's storyline was fun. Except for you know, bashing thing. I love seeing Ramsey get his come up. Oof. I mean do Weiner that dude. I just. And, you know, the, the one turn around for a character that just really hurt my hearty on theon. And like he was a do sh at some points and went through some shit. And it really just he got changed fucked. Yeah. He got mine for a long to the place where he didn't know his own name, or he wasn't willing to even remember loyalty was at questioned. The star is a great joy, and then all sends like okay, I have to do what grade joys do lost my density and I don't serve anybody. But then it's like almost hidden nature feeling. I have to do what's right and protected who protect me, and yeah. So it I mean he was one of my favorites to watch in terms of I mean I I as he was as he was becoming a better person. It was like, oh, this is neat. He's not just a douchebag. He's actually he's there's something else inside of him. So shout out to my friend, Charlie Burgess who got me in. Lily allen. Who's a musician has a song dedicated to him? Oh really called Alfie and it's not pleasant. Oh, so I don't know how that character is relatable into his cared about. I mean obviously that's like from years ago, but those really funny off. Oh shit. What do you guys think about and I've seen this on the internet? A lot of people are saying that theon is comparable to sort of Ghalem kind of one hundred hours. He serves his purpose of, it's like why is this dude still alive? You know, he's gone just suffering all the time, and he was buying needed to blame the I think he had almost the best button to his art. Yeah. Where he protects brand. Even though he knows he's not gonna survive, like, yeah, he, he died a hero's soldier death. And like he knew he just had to prevent the nineteen from getting closer to that would he have died that helpful death? If brand had not given those encouraging words, though, at the end, he would have ran away, then Broncos died and well, yeah, that's kinda sucks. The thing is, like one thing, I really liked and I learned about studying the Vietnam war know that like war Lord of the rings. It's very different, but Vietnam, war, specifically like full metal jacket. It's a movie about, there's no, there's not one famous star in that movie because they didn't want to glorify the the, the war. Yeah. And with this is kinda like they do have they do have the luxury of having heroes and people having her ROY deaths. And so I always feel like sometimes if a catcher, so hated the only way they get redemption is the diahorrea death and to some thing like, oh, this person. I really like it. I guarantee you, they're not going to do you, like, yeah, because that's just how TV is, it's how the world is like, well, this show this show also like I what I was saying is that this show was like this show like the Walking Dead were joke together of, like, don't get attached. This. How about if it does better? Get some Kleenex, but this show and Walking Dead. We're definitely the they were basically, they almost started at the same time to where it was like. Well, you might not want to get attached because that character dies a terrible terrible. Interesting thing watching it all in a string because. Because I had the view of like I can't get attached ever. I had no time to think about the characters, you know, forward thinking years, calling, I gotta go. I gotta go sorry. Little shout out to my friend, Deb. She was over last night, while I was like I have to watch, you know season for. I was on season. Eight thankfully, but yeah, I finished it like. Don't wanna talk you finished. I finished. And she was like, oh, man you're in for a doozy. You're, you know, you're going to have trouble sleeping tonight. And I just like deadpan stare to her and said, no, I won't she was like I have no motion. I was like, I don't feel anything anymore. Everyone everyone I cared about died or has lived a horrible. I y should I care, I don't care anymore because they're either going to die or they're not gonna do nothing. I mean that's Ivan Drago rocky four, they die, or they were, but for me favorite sequence or favorite part of the entire series definitely bell. The bastards I think bala- bastards is fucking phenomenal. I know it's a lot of contention battle Helm's deep and I'm not gonna say Belgium. He was less than it by liked it more. I'm not saying they're better or worse. But I'm saying for me. I like those who don't know that as Lord of the rings as Lord of the rings. And this gets highly compared to it all. That's yeah. But it's hard to compare it was. I mean it was a feat. Yeah. Cell from a visual, STAN. I mean, like we're talking about feats, sock about longest night, fifty five days fifty five nights was it to ten thousand extras? Yeah. Ridiculous. Never done before. I think it's probably Guinness world record. But like I'm not here to like do a pissing contest. I'm just like what I like narrative the thing about TV shows compared to movies, and that's why I think it's unfair to compare the rings to game design Lord of the rings is a movie. You gotta tell the entire story in to our two and a half hours, three hours and then game of thrones like you get to have to five or ten minute long sequences, appeal just like looking down breathing because it means something right? Yeah. And that's the that's the, the trope in, in grace of TV. But then it's the thing that movies aren't like have a luxury. But the thing about TV, they don't get the, you know, two hundred million dollar budgets and game of thrones after like season five, they're like, hey, we had the fucking we had the clout, so we can get the budget. And then the seasons like a billion dollars Eason. So it's like things like that, where it's like you're not, there's a lot of luxuries, things aren't given. Yeah. And so it's like you can't really it's hard to compare the both both of them. I only thing that you can compare of game of thrones all ordering are the books, I would say, but one came after the other one, so they're standing on tons giants, but my. My favorite relationship would probably be Johnstone in aria, mainly because at the beginning, and talking like going off of the last episode of season. Eight. John snow was raised as someone who's the oldest stark who was raised as a bastard, who had no claim to land a wife had become a fucking nights watches, pretty much boarding school for military kids, and it sucks. He had no claim anything even though he was raises start in net starts at you are stark at heart, you know, and the aria the same way aria was, you know, she wasn't sonza. So you didn't matter if she married anybody, and she was more of a tomboy, so no one gives shit about her, and rob, who's a second born son, who was like, yeah, you're going to be the one that takes over. Winter fell, you know, like these to outsiders, John and aria. Right. John aria like site, others equals. John is the only one that treater is equal and the best thing I really loved about episode two. Eight was at lake when they saw each other, and they hugged, it's like fuck. They've been through so much. They have like without each other. That's the thing. That's that's why it was. So, like, when they when they came together and sees an eight year like oh shit. They haven't seen each other. In seasons. Yeah. And like the cool. I mean just juxtaposition between John snow fucking targeting a what's, what's his real name gun Avon area, and sauna. It's like you're the lady of winter fill in, like they want me, as the ward or the Lord of winter fell, but you're the lady, and are like, yeah, we're just we're just are the same kids that grew up in fucking bronzes, this Astle, who finds brand bond brand his spawns everywhere, in winter fell quick traveled everywhere. Three eyed raven dude. Anyways. Yeah. I mean, that's I would say. My thing. By mean in terms of favorite characters probably -tarian overall overall favorite. Let me just register my shock about that one. All Tyrian varying any knows. And various because the things I liked it wasn't like the war heroes, because I mean like if they wanna go for the best warriors, probably call drug. All right. Or Jamie laster but, like Tyrian you know, he pushes the show. He has the funny thing to say, but also like he susceptible to change various very just like so self righteous in a good way. Right. He only serves around, even if it cost him his life, and I just fuck what about will. What's you're like, okay is my shows. Three preseason eight I would say undoubtedly oh, my favorite cared about this. My favorite character was Jamie Lancaster. Yeah. I think the fact that they took a character who in the first episode pushes a child out of a window after being caught having insist use relations things than sues the things you do for love the things you do. And then we, we ended up loving him like towards the end of the series. I mean he's like wise like as being redeemed, and he's, you know, he saved the cash doing the right thing, everyone. That's watching and listening. Tommy Pocahontas live action. That's John Smith. He's a little older now. But god. All right. She's last face on my best sexiness. He's a pretty man. He's a sexy. He's an I mean, it must be really unfortunate be so good. Looking. Still pulled real hard. I to me, I kind of really liked the way his his ended because he'd you because he thinks he reverts back. And this. This is about this whole season. Eight the all revert back to the self prophecy of. Yeah. He's going to do x y and z for C, and it's like fairs is going to do or the fuck. It takes X. Let me ask are you familiar with the do you remember the, the witch that gave the prophecies busy about her? No, not that one. The one who told Susie better children. Yeah. When they were little kids, so far. Look, let's talk about explain it. Well, there's her prophecy, that you will have three children gold will be there, crowns, gold will be there shrouds. There's another part to that prophecy. That's in the book that they took out of the show, which known as the Vallon car prophecy, which is that you will die with the hands of the Vallon car wrapped around your pale. White throat, Fallon car means little brother, old Valerian. So everyone thought that meant Tyrian, but the interesting thing is that Jamie was born slightly after Sirsi Esser oldest. So I was waiting for Jamie to choke searching this out. That's I want all say what that was like, I wanted to die in the same less dignified way of shame because this, she killed me Sunday, and I was like you know what? Like she, she's the one that did not deserve die. And it's like if felt so wait, I'm sorry. What? Who, who did not deserve? Gree. Worms misawa. Oh. Sunday. You didn't say that name. Sound like you said, sir. Yeah. Killed me Sunday missile. Kill me Sunday heard killed me Sunday. Oh my God. I'm just going to let him do it. So he drops his ice cream Sunday. But like she's the one that did not desert. But as me it's kind of, like all right. Let's like domino has dropped like let's see. Grey worm fucking ham shit. Let's see Danny. I'm cool with that. But it's like God. It's like Colson dying vendors. It's like he did not deserve die. But it's like right. We're gonna see the vendors assemble, you know what I'm saying? Like there's a catalyst for things. And that's the one thing I love about Georgia are Marne in that he talked about in an interview or a, a it seems that you like to kill your characters zany character easier to kill. He said, there's not one character I like killing even Ramsay Bolton. I didn't like killing because he loves all his coaches, and they're all really just misunderstood and they all right in their own mind, and he's not. Ramsey Ramsey pretty much got treated the same way that he treated wreak. That's why he's the way he is. And that's the thing it's nature nurture like wonder that guys. It's like, yeah, he projects the same evil, that's been putting his life. All he's been growing up. He's grove as a bastard. No land. Same thing. It's, it's pretty much showing the other side of Jon snow of, like if you got treated terribly as child, you would become a Rainsy bowl, or you become a Jon snow who's like to righteous to fucking do anything his life, but he joined our wind sets like I love taking away the things that matter the most to characters. Because what you do you take away. Jamie Lancers hand you take away the love is life you take away his night. You take away all these things, and what you have you have this character who has to persevere and giving all those senses. If you take Danny who has entitled ideology, like, I'm the one that has the throne, take everything that matters most to her. This is what you get. And it's like I'm cool at baby. I don't know the. What kind of your are you? It's like seeing Jamie, and sir c BT dubs. Spoiler. Thank you, Bonnie at the beginning, dying the way that they did did me wrong. I let me speak. Tom just add a. For two reasons. I just I mean I I get Jamie's thing about his devotion, and whatnot, but him dying like that answer C dine like that certainly deserved less far worse. Yes. Understand far worse. And that's why it was like, because we always laugh, Bonnie. And I, we always laugh when we're watching a show. And there's just a really terrible character shoreline land. Don't worry. They're going to get their come up. She did not get her come up. Yes, she on the hands of died with Jamie. She I'm like, okay, that's got to die in the hands of mercy. And that's like a I'm a hundred Jamie deserved Sirs deserted. I way worse again. I wanted more of dignifying Lee stripping away, but Jaime, I think deserve that really well too. Well, I think he deserved better. For him to die from a draft. I'm like, okay. But Brian today, it sucks. Because I torment same thing. It's hopefully, I, I like this douche, and then as a show went on. You're like, oh, damn he saved the cat. This is a cool character. He's redeemed himself this and he may Brin night. Yeah. So to see him go that way like Jamie. My man, no walkaway. You know, just walk away. I mean say no not to get too, like personal about a bit. Like I feel like that's really reality. I feel really bad as saying it's like even the best people that you had the most hope for that's been through the most stuff, like a lively might make wrong decision, the revert back to their like baser instincts, and it sucks to see that. But like in reality in life. Everyone at home fucking try and be like Jerry Springer the final thoughts, but it's like I fucking experience way too much. And it's like it's really sucks. And that's why to Kaelin point where it's like a die, they don't die because people are going to become be who they are. And, like various will die to his to his fault because he's trying to serve the realm. Speaking of someone reverse reverting to their, you know, who they are, as far as Jamie. Did you notice that in and I was really upset about this in? I think it was episode five we're chops off his arm. Season. Eight episode five where he's talking to tear in before Tyrian said some free, and they're talking about how Jamie, you know, saved the people of king's landing from the mad king burning them alive. Jamie says I never much cared for them, innocent, or otherwise, when everything about his character up until this season has been about he sacrificed, everything to save the people of king's landing because. Yeah. Did care about those innocent care about his home in that sense. Yeah. Well cared about the people like he killed the king. He broke his lemme just kind of be referee for a second. We're going to be get blowing the whistle everybody. Homa blowing. My referee once we, we'll be getting to the qualms soon very well. And there will be qualms. Yeah, will wait a jump. There will be junkets rogue on his first episode. Oh dang, jump the drug. Just gotta wait home is coming. So you did say favorite parts of the show favorite character. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did we favorite character? The only went into it. So favorite sequence VI relationship am favorite character. Favorite character. We'll go back to us favorite character. I think I'm the same. I really just loved here in. He was another one that had a redemption face like a redemption thing. Our face at first, we were like, oh, this guy, he just drinks a knows things. But now I mean he saying some shit that you're like doom began because he, he learned from various, you know, it's like to. I mean, I really was a rob stark fan, the red wedding happened. I was like, oh, I unfortunately that was actually kind of that was spoiled for me, because people that read it, and all they said, was like I just want you to know, don't get a test. The red wedding sucks. I'm just gonna leave that and go. Thank you. Thank you, actually was not super attached them because I was like fucking John hiding bond stors. Yeah. John's cool and all. But I don't know. I got I liked I think you're with raw because it's like Humana promised to marry this bitch. Why is he now with the woman, he loves the moment? He can't marry the woman who love. His mind. I was like you're fucked. This game of thrones. Well, no, I unfortunately I had an inkling I was like shit, dude. You're doing with royalty, and you're dealing with Finch. You're dealing with all these different jokes. You're dealing with you dealing with all these things. I don't know. Man. You might have fucked up pretty hard real bad real bad. What about you? Favorite catcher was are. Yeah. Just because she she changed so much. She was very proud and had to get rid of a lot of that. But still kept it. To avoid no gain super into a rant or he's gonna rant now. But I wanna ask you, what do you think about people who are saying, she's a Mary, sue? I don't think that's percents. I'm to place. You went Mary sue is right now. Mary insert a-. Mary sue is kinda like apply people say about like female characters of Mary, sue a female name, Gary, Stu Saint, it's pretty much a character that had gone through note of element. And just pretty much ex mocking every are, you know. Right. Not at all. No, she didn't lose her is, she didn't fuck and see her family die. She didn't do we say to the God of death not today and like she didn't all this shit, and she'll Nike air circling. Mary, sue, like. Now's like shut season has been the most polarizing of it has been the internet is a strong beast. Let can we get into Qualls? No, none at. She's young. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. Okay. Yeah. Aria just because like, she, she did go through a lot. She went through everything. She went through, like her family being taken away being -ducted kind of Princess, I she was she. I mean. She was she beat the Joffrey. Yeah. Right. But, but she she did have this like she was very proud. She's like, I'm not a lady. Very air again and slowly, but surely that got chipped away she, but it was replaced with confidence, because she's like I know exactly what I am. I know exactly what you are killer, and I'm going to kill you, many not I've. Yeah. And it makes them to me it made the most sense that she killed the night, because she's like, what are we say to the God of not? Not to end. It makes sense for her character to the way the show ended because I get what was recent, but she doesn't fit in the world as it is. Now the way that she is like she can't be royalty. She can't be any sort of like she's like the highest order of the knights. Yeah. To me. But even then she works in the shadows, and combat also white means that she could sneak in and kill him without any of those Zomba's knowing because if she if she could, like assume different identities and sneak around, and kill people in basically broad daylight, kill all of the like, you know what's his face films? The phrase if she could kill entire house of phrase. Is it really that big of a deal to like kill the night king, when he's really not focused on anything, but ran and all he did was just raises hand raise more debt. That's all he that you didn't see any fighting prowess outta them, especially the fucking our garbage. Just like you know fucking long caller, mid level management. Nothing. But yeah, so are you rice. Nice. Nice, so your favorite character. Yeah. Jamie, jamie. Oh. Season. Eight I'm not Jamie. So I'm fucking Tyrian Tyrian, okay. So Cuomo Cuomo homes, qualms this one. This is hard. I mean is from this season and for the show. Yeah, I mean for this show I, I mean, again, I'm not gonna put my name on that petition or anything, I think this silly, it's done. It's like they had to do what they had to do that petition from Tron legacy, guys know petition to remake which westjet I the petition. Snyder cut. I signed it. I just I have a problem with I have a problem, two things in, in entertainment culture, and they are bashing things that have already come out in terms of like, oh, get this remade. Newsflash. It's not going to happen that shit was been in production for years. And when people bash something that hasn't come out, yet you haven't seen it. So you have no say so with this one this season, it was hard it was hard to watch in terms of seeing for as long as that. We have seen everything unfold. Just joy for. Yeah. Seven years, and this one it it there were some plot points and stuff that were really rushed that were like, all right. We gotta get to the singing, and we're done. Six of those. It was a hindrance. Yeah. And it's like, yes, some of the episodes were an hour and a half, and it's like thirty minutes isn't that much? We need it for we needed more. And like some people have said, like in our discord server shout. Al joined nation, somebody mentioned, you know, having ten episodes, would've even helped, I'm not so sure there were some things, there was some unfoldment the long nights, and we'll the long night a word looking at the long. Along along night would have been to episodes, the, the bells in two, and then we had the I mean, especially with Danny like Danny herself, like I've known from the beginning that she was probably going to go Cray, fifty shades of Cray, totally lung. Crazy. It was just the, the, the quickness of it, that I would have preferred maybe even more a couple more episodes of like did she say what she? Yeah. She totally says she was gonna kill fear. Yeah. Like it was just like boom, boom, boom, she's Cray is a light. Switch out now. She's gonna kill everybody. Equal didn't do anything. Cho's. Asunday meson. Meson sunday. She died in just one day, and she broke which I can get if somebody that you care about, as well as knowing that John spilled the of course. I mean it's like everything that she's been working in hand. Doesn't trust her. Yeah. It's, it's a lot of things. Yeah. No matter what a lot of all happening one episode. Yeah. That's why people feel like oh, shit because we don't get it's the same a lot of people talk about ban- versa, man. There's not a lot of breathing room to feel like, oh I understand. I get it. It's happening right now. This is the exact feeling a happy, a light switch, where it's like this happen. So I immediately think this instead of reflection of things. We're like it took John snow, a long time to understand, like, oh, people above the wall are actual people. Yeah, it happened just pork in one one of them. So figure that out. I mean as a show itself as the as the whole show of game of thrones the only the only qualm that I had was. I mean funny enough. Reversing my qualm about. Is that some of the season's just seem to drag where nothing happened in your like, why am I watching this? And then this one, you're like I would have preferred if you take that time and put it towards that I felt like I want to jump on that real quick. So we can save time for the episode. I feel like aria gained to Dorn took four ever. Yeah. Four and her being blind for or ever. Yeah. And I was like God get over it like let's get there. And then just like get her to be the bad ass that we know she's going to become. Yeah. But I mean, I think that's mainly in terms of like how I agree with, like, yes. Some episodes are season definitely drag because I felt like to me like I make the joke Lord of the rings about a movie about two people walking, and that's the movie and it's like, oh, get there, just yet there. And like they say in spaced skip to the end like just get there. And but I mean like Jamie brand and all stuff like all these things were happening. But, you know, certain things that I would like people were having. Yeah, but this one it was like, I would have the sad thing is like in who knows of, if any of this is true as it's like where you hear like, oh, we would have done more episodes, or we like would occasion coulda woulda coulda shoulda and it's like it's been eight years. People are over it. No, actually it's been more than that. And it's been more than eight years yet eight seasons. But it's like they had, there's human dealings. There's human beings involved. There's people that careers are starting to go pass TV it's been an I'm a human being. I understand the entertainment industry. When when chances come along, it's like do it. I mean Star Wars movies, come gag Zack. I mean there there have been what three people who've acted in the role of the mountain. There have been three in the same dragon writer that she supposed to, like have steamy hot monkey sex with and one of them's fucking Francis. Oh, yeah. Oh, Dr changed three times. Actor for Dario. Yeah. Yeah. Change multiple times because I thought it was just once I think it was like two times, probably. Well, maybe it's once because over here and whole, I'll I'm willing to be wrong Bundy and brunette Darrow. So yeah, it it was just there's a little bit. There's an understanding but there's also kind of the throne in me. That's like the I just I wish some more time would have been spent. I wouldn't even have even if you took another two years to give me another season, I wouldn't have been mad. You gave me two years now I had to wait for this one, and I'm watching it, why I wouldn't have minded the link. The one thing I'll say to that point like this season has definitely felt like again, it's the plotters panther thing. The thing about this season. It's shown such more of a cinematic draw than I've ever seen before. Like the way they wreck focused between things the way that they show perspectives between the people that aren't like the make a lot more wide shots in terms of like, in the in the last episode. There is a shot of drug on and John coming to meet Danny for the scene. And the it's just it's not a silhouette. You can see them, but it's almost a silhouette. It's almost like I thought about endgame when captain. And that bleak Panos it's just like an empty battlefield. But you see all this, this destruction behind John and like drug on just kind of meeting him and you're like it, there was a, there are a lot more beautiful like a little bit more symbolically with that scene specifically drug on burning, the iron throne drogue on kind of embodies, the same rage like audience should feel at the same time of like things should not have been the way they were. But then the rage of how we were, and how we kind of project that on people of king's landing and all that stuff. Again, these are the same people who wanna nets are shopping doesn't need a die, and everything. He's walk spoiler. But he will present. I'm gonna catch him in a movie matter. He's making kill him. But. I have a question, because it was kind of a qualm. Okay. But maybe I don't understand the lore and maybe somebody else does will will will will will. So the dragon the dragons? She gave birth. I thought he was fucking awesome that he burnt the throne he melted the throne. Totally cool sought coming. The throne would be just basically destroyed some point. I just didn't understand the decision in it because I was like not that I want to be little dragon's or their consciousness. But how. Like Intel my dogs love me. They can do smart things every now, and then I really, they're the great, you know, them, you've while I love them. Name is drug on vizier. And then Walker one. Yeah. Zombie dragon samba. But they haven't given me the information that I would need to know to understand why it would make that decision. So it was a cool moment, but you gave me, no logic to follow. You don't see enough of the sentence. Yeah. I, I would say, I see some emotion them over the course of the show. You see that, but you see that in all animals, I think will correct me if I'm wrong because when I was dating the girl that I was dating and she was talking about, like, Danny has to figure out who's gonna be her writers and the, the dragon has to choose. And so there is that in quote unquote, like intelligence, they have, but they don't do that. Well in the show. Yeah, they, they kind of avoid talking about dragging lower at all in the show, and they also take things from the books and break other rules like it's supposed to be the dragon scales are so thick. They can't be pierced by any metal whatsoever, but that would make big crossbow years as giant air, look at my big crossbow. Yeah, the scorpions. Exactly. But dragons are supposed to be very intelligent. They're supposed to. But to me that does that conversation like an emotional decision that was made. Right. Yeah. To me that was more like that was a fuck decision like, yeah, I can't have the throne. Nobody I kind of and I'm gonna try to like, create some anthropomorphic Asian person vacation on these dragons like and I'm gonna make an assumption. Danny is a fucking sleep talker. And when they were sleeping when she was trashy pose. Knowing that this. Fucking died us like that Danny Dyer for this thrown in, what would it bring everybody death and destruction? And to me again, I'm jumping a lot of making, but like consciousness there, even to the point, they're making that on Mike? You haven't given me on if we took this show, I would be like you have no evidence and I have this. Yeah, what am I supposed to do with that? I think mainly because I since dating a girl who read the books saying, how dragons again, how are little bit more intelligence. Like I definitely think that the dragon has some kind of connection bond decide how the dire wolves bond to start. They're supposed to be like psychic connection where dragon writer is, bonded to that. Dragon for life. And they don't need to physically control them where they want Greg into go. Yeah. Yeah. And in fact that Danny cool. Dan? He's been so connected drogue on, again, knowing that her intentions to have this done like, we get that shot, where her hand is touches one of the, the hilts of a sword. And smile closer face a colored. On her faces fucking lit up as it summer day. She's around by ash, and what happens? She dies because of its drug on. It's. You know, he's not going to burn. He can't burn. He can't burn Jon snow. Yeah. He's going to survive. So he destroys the thing that she wanted the most, like I, totally okay with the dragon being that smart. They didn't show. They just didn't give me evidence to support where I win my immediate. With thing was like that's cool. But why how to me it felt like something that, would, you know, come up in the writer's room like? Well, we gotta have the dragon meltdown the thrown. How are we going to get there? I don't know. Just do it. Yeah. I didn't like that choice personally. But yeah, it was a cool image. How about your qualms will, I know you definitely gotta chock full of them. So we. Yeah. No. I, I really enjoyed it. And he goes. Yeah. Exactly. Well, rector necked it was a I thought it was a good season. I mean as far as I was made and I notice as far as how it was made. Good. I did notice a lot more cinematic right from the beginning. You know, more like watching a movie than watching show. But they just abandoned so much that I mean I could go down a list of like what's up with the iron Bank? You know, like things that just will never be mentioned again, there, why there wasn't enough time or it just doesn't matter. And, you know, all of the magic in the world is sort of, like it, you know, it was a major, major party plot and eight just like did my middle middle end of the show, like huge. Also just dropped off political drama. Yeah, exactly. It felt very much like just a story about human beings near the end which, I mean, okay, I'm fine to that. I'm cool with. Like how they handled the Braun getting his castle, like this has been a joke for seasons of him getting this castle that he's promised for this debt Bron. And in the end, he's in the like the council meeting keep, and they're like, okay, this person the head of this house, and blah, blah, blah. And you're like. Okay. Okay. Wait. A phone it in like yeah. He got his castle. But now he wanted more pomp and circumstance. Because you've been so invested I mean, especially his character is, and he's not great guy, you know, as a mercenary also Sam, getting to be a Maistre that was just kinda like. Oh, look he's got his chain. I liked that a lot because I'm gonna like this. These are the logical choices I would want this for that person. I wanted that for that for me, I was kind of like there's a lot of like self Illing stuff. Like I would want this person be this this person to be there. There was that, and like, oh, shit, the guys like the blackout to the last scene or not the last scene. But the, the blackout time passes like we don't know how much a weeks, wakes months, where it would have been nice to have a couple extra episodes to just like send the stagnation of the world's stagnation, like see the aftermath of the people view politics now too, because that it changed. Dress today, went to democracy. Yes. Crecy everyone laughed. It was like no. But I mean to that point, like, I really liked how, like people got XYZ the things that they wanted. Yeah, but, like, yeah, I get the, the of Braun didn't get the fucking castle. He was promised. He didn't get costly rock. Yeah. And it's like whatever. But like I mean high gardens way, better Castle Rock, his mind out. There's no more gold. They're sure to castle. All the agriculture for the whole round basically like. That's why he was like, oh, we did help dad granny squares. Wow. Wow. Wow. Okay. Anyway, so other qualms sir. Sir billion. No. No pretty. Injury. Not knowing his own name. Explain it for everyone at home. All right. So Guenrikh gets referred to as Gandhari rivers in season. Eight yeah. Episode, I believe four just after running this art, and eight point bastards born in his region are known as waters, not rivers. And he also wouldn't have even had a bastard, last name because he was not considered a bastard, because he was a secret. Bester. Can I ask you could you give me like even if it's not all of them? What are the bathroom as for different regions? Sanders sand. There's snow there's waters. Oh my God, there's airs and then there's lands. And then there's more, but it's been so water. So who's born great joy ish. We've been watering people, right? Yeah. I think they're what's Bolton Bolton there snow. They're in the it's about your like region like the river lands on. And that's, that's basically 'cause it was that was in season, eight that happened, right? Yes. So that's kind of the basis of my qualm news. Just too many loose threads. Yeah, exactly the Starbucks Cup. Okay. Not that big of a deal not that big deal at all. But the amount of attention that they paid ending like in the first several, they started to be like his, you know, how I hyper focus on the tiniest MO. Oh, on people's faces amazing context by the by Zam look up the episode. He's not even on the faces on the neck. Yeah. Wow. The you'll understand. No. It's that minute instance silly anyway. I was paying attention to all the things happening in the background because I'm like this is one of those shows where one thing in the wrong place will ruin the immersion and for seven seasons. I noticed nothing. That's nothing. Right. But did they did a good enough? Job did you see the Cup from earlier season? Yeah. There is a Cup from an earlier, Jamie last or. Yeah. But toiling Starbucks he's holding it because everyone's has their hands crossing looking the Fuxing on the throne. He's got a Cup and his hand. Wow. And it's a Starbucks Cup look at me this enough. And I'm gonna say this is like goofs and it or whatever. And that's fine. But the pay so much immersion, they were small enough earlier that I didn't notice. But if there, if there were any things I didn't notice them because they didn't matter. And then at season eight there were so many things I felt like it was noticing it everywhere, because even all the blood will say look like raspberry jam near the end. I would say so mad about deniro dying, because it was the cleanest CG blood I've ever seen. I would say like this we didn't know Jamie's Cup is because you're not looking at his hands. The point of focus in the frame is not people's hands. It doesn't matter if the pen is green on the table in one shot and blue on the table. Of the next. Let doesn't matter. I'll say like what Danny and the Cup in that specific is that what's between you? And Danny is a Cup, right? Like so your focus is on Danny's face. But the first thing you're gonna see a Cup and that's why in terms that they're gonna be continuity errors everywhere. X y and z, but wherever the cameras trying to point focus, too. If the first thing you see is something continental air, that wise become so glaring. Right. So I again, I understand continuity errors happen. Like it's fine that they happen. But there were there were more things both in frame and in story that didn't match anymore. And that's where season eight kind of let me down. I mean McGrew one of those things too, is like Jenn. Gary Kendra Gandhi as a character he. Really quick side tangent. It's not Starbucks hashtag support local businesses called paper Cup. Titanic district in Belfast checking out. All right. The real I've actually been there. Paper cup. If you want to sponsor this episode lesson. So Gary, as a character, I mean, he was a character that I really felt was slept on in a sense. They made him seem so important at the beginning, they put a lot of focus paraffins pastor. They in the early in early seasons. They, they even made like in one of the finale of the show, they were showing his escape from king's landing and whatnot during one of the never, then we didn't hear from him about him for a while, like a season like BT dubbed. This is what's going on. But even when he did come up it wasn't like plot like going forward. It was just like, hey, there's this guy like there was nothing. He's basically not as important as it made it seem. And it makes me think that they were like this guy's going to be important. It's going to never mind. I'm over it. So it's like that's, that's probably like an season eight and a overall kind of like. Can I jump on that shore? And I think this will be my only qualm actually for the show in itself, like the, the show falls on a lot of whoever has claimed the throne and based on houses, and based on politics. Whatever you like to believe, like, is it the person that killed the person that's on the throne? That gets the claim to the throne or is the person's child that gets Clinton thrown right? Yeah. And is it bloodline or is it based on battle, and merit, and XYZ and actually kind of will connect this to animate because I'm fucking that guy with there's a show in the world called you haka show, and may belt this boy who like world that goes into the spirit world, and like has to fight demons and like, oh, humans can fuck you find he's a fucking demon and it's like what's the point so that it was going to watch it? We will. This. Was on my list with, with that. It's like cool. John snow is going to be this guy who has no claim to the throne and he's a wolf. But then they end up making him just like he's Jesus. He's actually Jesus. He's actually the best of all worlds and he's a dragon and he's a wolf and he's a night watch. And he's a war hero and is nothing wrong with everything there's no fault to him. There's no like there is no mistaking. The fact, the only character flaw, he has is that he doesn't want is the his so redeeming it hurts. Yeah. And that's the thing that I think kills me where it's like again, dri, where it's like he's a Braff does that mean he kind of has claimed that they're on because so far, the show has been, like, Danny has the biggest claim because she's like, no, your fucking dad die like a bitch and breath and took the throne. So all breathy and should be the king. Right. You have a thing about, like the like the house like if you're a tar Garin, or what are having the throne or your this is the other thing about season, eight that was kind of like a. In the final episode him being even if he didn't want it. I don't give sharia it or a John. It didn't come up all. That's what tearing that's Theriault MO the entire time was like it's not sure choice like buck you on sullied. It's not your choice. But I guess my thing is it's like the information didn't matter at all. And it was almost for the last three episodes. The most important we didn't mean to we didn't in the end the events that transpired. Didn't rely at all on. Well, I guess, I guess one could say that because she knew she was he was he was going to die at some point. But she was buttering them up like I, I don't know like who knows. Maybe she is Cray, maybe she would have tried to maybe love him into who said it was your shell anybody like. Yeah. And Sheree tried that. He said, anything said something and Tyrian said like she will always see as a threat. Yeah. And like no matter how much she loves you. She'll see it just didn't seem as big of a deal as they were making that was they made things smaller than the way that they originally presented them absolute consistently throughout the season. I mean, the biggest reveal in the entire first seven seasons was John's parentage. I mean he is the song. Head of ice and fire episode area devoted to the past of who he possibly could be in the fan theories that have been going on for years, O decades act. I mean since the book. Yeah. People have been theorizing about John's, and then it was just kind of like. Next. Seem very I think what happens is it gets. Very just mic. Mitigated gets really minimize to the character and not to the world. It's like more of like that truth is only going to weigh on John, and Danny. Yeah. There's that truth that, like, John mass public doesn't know John doesn't give a fuck about it. But, like Danny does. And that's what's going to pretty much possessor to do what she does is true. But like is things like that were like to me. One of the things I really was fucking looking forward to it and everything things going to die, when we were talking about the show, then like, oh, what if the house like? No, how can't die he has to fight his brother. And when that happened was like it's kind of full circle, but it's like I didn't really feel like the hound group before he fought him. I didn't feel the mountain was really built up. Like you just knew that he kind of came back from the dead, but she didn't know what really happened to him. So it felt to me like very like, well, he just yeah, they have to fight, and I don't even know if they're even have to fight, and then they die, and you're like, okay, yeah. To me, it's like I would have wanted to hound like, what happens after he kills his brother. Yeah. Right. Like I love those stories of revenge of like you live for revenge. But what happens when you exact revenge? What do you really live for what the end that, that, that guilt of, like, I don't have a real life because the revenge has been my life, and they ultimately kill themselves because that's what happens because poison in your veins revenge. And it would want to see the hound deal with that or like make it a little bit more about like the hound is not such an asshole, because it just did not show that aria and the hound gave real shit about, they had a respect, but they just didn't give a shit about. I mean she invited him said, you know, he was just ready to give up and die the battle the long night. But then because he was a little aria was endangered. I mean because a little girl, she doing more than you. Boy. It's like I'm afraid. Wasn't she's doing more than you. It was. Tell her that death is unbeatable. That that's what kept him going. Subtext. Subtexts. Subtext was still running for which is actually one of my favorite scenes of entire series is the library sequence. It's fantastic. Very four. It's a whole. Any other qualms well to wrap that up. I just wanted to say I mean, it basically all the qualms kind of fall into your quality of like a lot of loose threats season, had a lot of loose threads and threads that were kind of like. Gonna put this which I think actually put this over here is a, you know, sh plugging are other show, trope time. It's trope of TV shows actually happens a lot that we're like it's really it's really fucking hard like, especially George are Mearns writing. Oh, absolutely. Just button, everything up. And you know if they got to seventy percent of all the buttoning up, we would have been a little bit more TV shows. That's like, but what about sh? Just because I'm curious how did you guys think it was going to end? So I talked about mine before we recorded I wanted John snow. I wanted I wanted Jamie Lancer to kill Danny, because I'm like that guy got to areas in his life. And I wanna Joe John to be like, he's the king while with this piece out an interior and be the fucking king of west rose because he was like the one that should be the king when it doesn't want it brand. Go eat a dick. He's like I'm always here and I know is no it's happening. But you don't like when he said it was, my, it was like it was something along the lines of. That's why do you think I came all this way? I'm like he. No. Is the character in a video game after you beat the boss just lets you know, you could block I fucking need to know that before I fought the guy do these things I need to know like two hours ago. And so, that's what brand is to me. But like it makes sense but I would have wanted. Jay seriously today, a much more dignifying Li like terrible way like dignified on dignified, like fucking drogue on throws her ass in the sky burns, says easer on for fucking life uses wings. Steph, where he and his brother fell into the fire, I would've actually would have loved to have seen certainly fall into fire. I thing. I would've wanted public audience for that, though. Okay. You know what I need to see that you last fuck, and then Danny be like I guess you're is paid. Yeah. I mean it's I think that I. Dang pass. Doesn't have to be complete. It doesn't have to fully just what you kind of wonder. I've already said I mean I didn't really give a shit who got the throne. Really? It was just like I think the character that I would have wanted it that I think would have deserved at the most would have been John, but he didn't want it. So I wouldn't give it to him, or it's kinda like the it is one of those things that maybe that's who you want to be on the throne is the somebody that doesn't want to do it. So they're going to do the right self-assessment. Yeah. So I would've wanted the giants will be it with Danny in my mind. I had this like, kind of like fancy. We all fantasy were aria kilter. We're aria became the, the Queen killer at, like Jamie was the it was just a thing. It was like, oh, wouldn't that be cool? I would say season one and two game at thrown. I would've wanted Danny thrown. You know, I was like, wow, all the way back then, you know what I'm saying like she is going to fight for the good people and all the ex. Oh, you mean her character from them? Yeah. Yeah. She could have been a good, so many things like on. Yeah. She went to the Cray. Let's see. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. Same thing, sir. See dying a horrible horrible death, Jamie. I would've I were would've wished that. He wrote off into the sunset and with yes, and everything would have been fine torment, which there is still a chance. There is there the live. Give me a glass of milk is the bay. Well, I'll say in a minute. Would you say I kinda wanted Brandon Padres to be together? She was traced him. But, like grew up. I don't know. You wanna Anna concert Korea, and it can Skywalker and gender got together. And they had like a decent size age gap, as remind me who Patrick was Padre is the do that wire. He's the master of travels. He he's a travel agent. He wasn't the sex, God, he wasn't very he picked up tea rose after though when he became her squire he had to have been like eighteen twenty something like that. So then by the time he's like a full night. He's probably in his thirties. I'm saying right now me as a twenty seven year old, there's an eighteen year old he's like it'd be do just want to say that my wife is taking this personal. K padre. After all of that, not saying that, like, any sort of romance should've started, but, like, as they got to know each other, and like, you know, the kind of equals, and they run parallel with each other. I think that they might have been a good pair for each other because of the like. What, what was the explanation of, like you don't find like romance is not like some hidden city. It's a it's an open plain that you find to build land on a letter romances, afield, actually. Yeah. Kind of. And I feel like they would have been a cute couple in their own way. I think torment would have been a little too infatuated because he had Brienne on too much of a pedestal and wouldn't have seen her as a person more of wow. Some call it love it as a pedestal fanaticism a little bit how. Okay. So how I thought things were going to end based on all of the fired lowered. And whatever all those things that were happening. Yes. Tom if she want that loyalty true. You're like royalty. It's gone fair. Okay. But I actually. Base on Mela Sandra's being like there's the promised whoever the hell alone, light. We're going promise. Prince that was promised, you know. The prophecy being fulfilled. And she has this moment where she looks at aria through the end, and I was like, oh, man, she slept with Kendra. I wonder if she's gonna have his kid, and then rush scar what Scott? And then she kills the the night king, so, like she saving all of mankind, basically. So that would obviously endear her to the people, so and then she also doesn't want the throne, I like, and she could break the wheel, the deniro was talking about because she would be the one in power Genry would basically be like they're there in name, but not really ruling she would be ruling, and she would be changing the whole dynamic of what a Queen is supposed to be therefore, equalizing the like weird gender thing. 'cause even at the end there were so, like how women all I mean. I mean the women aren't people all tell my dog and horse to vote. I mean that, that prophecy again, that brandings, hey Ned, we have a son. I have a son Joyner houses. Everything in a boat. The end aria to be the Queen, and forgive me to be her king, and they have a kid, which is the promised from the beginning because Barath Ian stark were married in the beginning, and they were supposed to have a kid, but they didn't because at tiger and asked his real good that was another one of those strings that they were like. And. I'll say before the thing also sorry, but the horse shows up out of nowhere after all the fire flames, whatever. And she will, she rides it out, or somewhere, basically, but that was another thing of, like, is this, the like far Lord, providing her with, like a kind of a chosen one, and I wanna make sure that you're safe sorta deal. So they're kept being all these things that made me be like, is are gonna end up being the cleaner. Some we're and then also sorry I had all these theories going on. But also that drogue on let John in knowing that he was going to kill, Danny, and that John was still gonna return to night's watch, but then brand and drogue on, we're going to go back into the wilds way in the north and all the freemen not to, like, the, the children are gone now and also the, the night kings are all gone. To the night, king, and his generals are all gone there last. Yeah. The leaf people are gone because they got murdered by their own creative a fucking Jesus, so drogue on brand. Or like the last missing magic creatures, right? Would make sense of fulfill. The prophecy of you won't walk ever again. But you'll fly so it makes sense if he and drogue on join forces drug onto care brand brand would like make sure that drug on what safety, but imagined UD of being able to watch show like recently all of that win. I would say this. I remember that kind of imagined that would happen. That'd be really hard to fuck untidy other. Oh im- almost impossible, like you have to have another season. Well, what if it said magic needs to leave the world? And so the last vestiges of magic are leaving west roast dragon brand Lumine with us. Part of what I thought might happen, because like the last 'cause they washed away, magic basically end, and drug on was kind of like the last deal. And now they're kind of hunting for him. But if branded gone off with drug on they wouldn't be looking for them because they'd be like, oh, the three raven they're gonna see this coming a mile away. Will you read the books? Yeah. The first the first few from what I was told second hand from the girl, I did she say, like when the dragon ex hatched thousand releasing magic back in the world. Well, yeah, it was and win the, the red comet everyone, which is a sign of dragons, that was the birth of magic back into the world. And that's been magic beforehand. Right. Yeah. And that's why the people at the house of the dying. Remember the people with the blue lips and everything. Yeah. That was there. They suddenly did have magic powers again because dragons and so like for me, it's like this would show again, it shows an end of one era, the beginning of another. So I mean to me, I like the idea like there's the ghost and is what happens at the children that happens after the game of thrones. And I. So I was going to say was I after after we watch I'm. Holy down for a show. That's purely about aria. Oh, yeah. And like maybe thirty years later, like shows magic coming back on the world. Yes, I was laughing because the I totally forgot about it, because I watched the seasons with the red comment so long ago at this point, but the red comet happened. And then, you know that point at sunset where the sky gets kind of orange red magic done. There was like those plane trails, like jet trails, and it was like in a perfect line that looked like a comet and the sunset made it look like a red comet going through the sky. And it was like holy shit amazing dragons. Starting. Here quite well. I was gonna I was gonna take the lead and say, we're gonna wrap this up 'cause we talk from Clive hours. We could talk hours and hours and hours about game of thrones because it is hours and hours and hours. Subscribe rate slips life you on where I mean if you do one more episodes game through game of thrones game. Thrones of games and game of thrones. Yes. I mean I be open to it. Invite our friend will back be glad to have to continually eat. All Ian Corey soul to Guinea, our today. So now we're going to rate it Ray. And now we have a special rating system ish for this upset just for this episode. So Terry's versus season. Yes. So let's do for the season season season for. So there's no votes on Josh. So you have to go, I there's one vote on will one voting Kaylynn to votes on me. Okay. So I feel I and we're doing season season just for season. Eight man shoot one out of five five being, I would not change a thing about it. It's not that shoot. I'd probably give it a three point five. Okay. They went five will and Ceylan choose wisely. Can we do have points or just he's at five oh for sure? I think I would go. One point five one. Oh, that's maybe the lows, God down. Most we've ever had on the show caso three one. Oh my God. It doesn't really matter. It's your own personal scale, and how you wanna rape things that a one out of five so doesn't matter. So cleland. I feel bad about it. That's what yeah, exactly. I the the first thing that popped in my head was three point seven three point. I mean it was still beautiful. And, and it is still the show that it has always been just a little lazy. It's a four for me because this would let's say, let's say like this. I'm going to create the hypothesis. If this is the worst season of the show still better than some of the best season of oughta shows and to me, I'm like, what to share? This is one of the top shows entire world ever made. Yeah. And all my favorite shows ever was like a political drama. Yeah. So it's like I never saw dragon shit. Yeah. Yeah. Now for the series. No votes on me. No votes on will one vote on Josh three votes on Kaelin. So will and I should go for do you wanna go Shambo first series? I would give a four point eight four point. That one point five fucking dr- feel like if this season was like a three then you've been five right? If the season was, yeah. Probably okay so the season definitely not knocked down from a five. Exactly for me, the season series a four point seven, I say four point seven for me, like I think. Allocation to certain episode links and certain seasons would definitely have helped. Yeah. But other than that, like, damn baby. I'm like, that's the thing that's Woolworth neck and forget a lot of shit ever since game baby. I'm a start. You know, those kind of things like it's the Harry Potter, also a slithering. So. So one on Duggal snack. Yeah. For the series for the series, as a whole, and it's you can't use the last season as baggage. I mean heated will. That's true new, but he also gave it a four point eight. Hart said my God is four point five four point five point five. I'm starting to work in a system of just half points. I used to go like four point three seven six nine five but doesn't mean and then he hit me, and I was maybe I shouldn't do that anymore. You bend the knee. Calin with the three votes on you. What do you rate the series sewn who bins the show? For point. Eight. I really liked it loss from it, it was a four point five. Tally will as the grip of the season. Eight one point five joshes the grump of the series of four point either. Season one for season. And I voted for added VO free for the series. Not glum or often lately. Oh with higher numbers. Yeah. Joshua's. Cleo winter is like every musical does have Christopher guests. I don't know. Any? You talk bad about Don here. We are we have our Graham swill and Josh. If we had a grump crown with shared between us. Game of grumpy. Activity of thrown of your house. Just for a little thing. What do you think what, how would you be in? Hard. I my my heart with say I'd wanna be stark. Do you. Yeah, I could see you as a stark fucking got the beard for it already for the north. That's why I actually grow the spirit of giving. Have a two and five chance of dying. Yeah. For little like here and there it was Lancaster, where I was like purely for Jamie later seasons. Lancaster, and even Tyrian later stint slam Kaelin. What else do you think you'd be in its? Well, we'll approvals stars. You're the throne. Do you think she start? I mean I could see you as a stark your that was a. No. Never heard. You think tar Gary and don't you? I mean I could also see you as Terry. Atari. They're good. God's flip a coin. You got a chance being a great person. Shame. Receiving. Will of dark cloud. That ain't going on his shirt. Sinn chance. You might be good person. Wow. Will do you think? Thanks, okay for me. I always say, I, I think I fit in more with the Lancasters because I'm very like y'all got the last word and I was repeating my debts, and I'm trying to manipulate things, left and right. That's me. Or was the house literature makes oh house that he makes I it's because he doesn't have a house. Yeah. He gives me have a he makes out of out of out of the Ville. He ends up becoming the, the, the head of his own. How will he becomes the Lord of the veil? But he, I don't think he starts a house so that thing. So it'd be lotta they'll that's for me. You'd be loaded the veil because what do you think for that fits, well, or anything more fucking like breast milk? The combating kind of kind. Yes, sir. You could be lower the veil. But okay. What about you will? What do you think? You. I mean, I guess I could myself as a Lancaster, but I'm not the best repaying my debt. Maybe garin. Essien. I don't know three and four hunting explain a whole lot about Barath Ian, they do all in the show. They don't but there's a really cool shout to the YouTube channel screen prism. They do a whole video essay, every house and how it kind of reinforces. I love Taiwan Lancers ideology of the Lancasters. And so they do the same thing with the brands and the stars like the starch are like super loyal. And like they had this really like all the different senses of Justice, and righteousness, like and Johnston is the most faulty, because like it will cause him to kill himself and kill people that don't need to be killed. And Barath like very like headstrong. They know what they're doing. They're like king of the hunts and stuff like that. It's it's there's a lot. There's just like this show. 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Talking about Facts for your Brain with Moxie LaBouche

The Science Bloggers Podcast

1:00:27 hr | 1 year ago

Talking about Facts for your Brain with Moxie LaBouche

"Hello everyone and welcome to the size bloggers podcast. I'm David. Lakshman and discussed is moxie La Bouche. moxie is a gold format tuned burlesque dancer turn podcast. And now author. She is the host of your brain on facts, podcast and author of the book. Your brain on facts things you know things you thought you knew and things you never knew you never knew. In this episode, we talk about some of her more SCIENC- episodes and a problems and some of office, traditions and communicating science and a pandemic world. So Hello Moxy. How are you doing I'm doing well? Thank you for having me on today. It's good to have you been listening to lot of the episodes on on your podcast. Really enjoying. Leaning a lot from them, thank you. So why don't we start by telling me? Listens all but something about yourself and what you do well, I am a goat. Farmer turned burlesque dancer turned podcast and soon to be. Wow. I don't know where to begin. Yeah, kind of a journey there. So why don't we just take it from the Taupin and go all the way down? told US SAWS like a fascinating story. It will for a little over a decade, I raised dairy goats and made goat milk, soap skin, care products that I sold at farmers, markets, and craft shows, and things of that nature of it was during that particular career path that I was struck by lightning, and if I have like spacey, moment or forget something obvious. That's why Toward the end of that I found out that burlesque is still a thing I thought that had gone out just after World War Two and I got into that during which I had the privilege of producing the only. George are Martin approved game of thrones burlesque show and we got to. We got to go to his theater at his invitation and play for the man himself school which I need to I need to stop bragging about because it was four years ago, but that may go down as my my main bullet point in my biography. Well you know I. think that's cool. You know if I well. I don't think I can do it, but if I was down so that perform full George R R, Martin I would boost every day. I. Hornet into a lot of conversations and you know anyone can be a burlesque dancer. My husband performs under the name. Dante inferno and in in fact, Moxie my podcast. Her name is my burlesque name. I just carried it over. And Dante did an act as Georgia Martin, in front of Georgia Martin which he said was the most nerve wracking experience of his life. Wow, so so, what did George or or Morton say about his performance wealth, so my husband had the padded belly on. Mr Martinez. Husky Fellow! yeah the fisherman's cap, the beard and there had been on one of the late night. Talk shows they went. We cut now. George Martin working on the book and it's a guy dressed as Mr Martin job down on a backyard trampoline, so we got one of those living room aerobics trampolines, little the little ones, and he did his whole routine while jumping up and down on the trampoline to the Todd Rundgren Song on. On goes I don't I don't WanNa work. I just WanNa play on the drum all day and Mr Mortenson. who was a little nervous when Dante was taken off his boxers, but the gag there was a smaller pair of boxers on underneath and I mean during the act, he fakes a heart attack and gives himself. just compressions because people are also bothered Mr Martin all the time about what's going to happen if you die before it's finished. which he now he now just responsible giving people the finger understandably. And don't ask him when the book is going to be done every time you do, he kills another stark. Khomeini. Audio left won't dot. Many left a lot. There's not there's not a lot. We don't have a lot to spare. Well, the main family doesn't have that many alive, but they also is. Jesse call him. Satellite branches of the Stock Family Tree on the main family extended family so. Yeah the extended family so I'd else. Yeah, there are a lot of people to kill still. We're just hoping in the last book. There's going to be a character named Dante, but spelled a little funny. That gets murdered horribly. That's. Fingers crossed for that. I think at this point. It would be an honor to be killed. Even though so many people have been killed so I duNno, you'll see so. I've forgotten list. Go Remember let's dancer and then. into the podcasting brings us close to where we are now right because my head is just full of extraneous facts. I, just I have a fact too sticky everywhere whether there's room in the conversation for it or not like when I was a cashier at a grocery store. The. Customer doesn't necessarily want to hear about the prehistoric ground sloth that would redistribute avocado seeds, and that's whether pits are so huge. They just want me to ring up the Avocado and let them leave. and my husband started getting into podcasting, and he was very slow to warm to the idea, because like a lot of people and as a podcast, or you probably understand this problem. They don't know what it is where you find him. How do you find one you like? They sound like they're going to be boring. I don't want to have to stop everything I'm doing to listen. I had a lot of the misconceptions that are very common in. Not Yet podcast listeners which refer to the majority of people but in the car he played episode of the Unorthodox Podcast, which refers to itself as the universes leading Jewish, podcast I recommend Jew and gentile alike. Check that one out and I'm like okay. This pretty cool. Put on something else and I. Downloaded an APP and subscribe to one hundred shows and I thought you know I could do this. I could do one of these and I thought that would be a really good productive safe way to vent the useless stuff in my head. Unfortunately, that plan backfired because in having to write a seven page script each week. It just puts more stuff in my brain. Well. You know having along stuff new brain. It's not about thing. No, but the problem is I have profound memory issues so. The stuff's not where I left it. My brain is basically an encyclopedia with pages torn out scattered around the room, being shredded by squirrels. But. I don't see that was about thing than I was just connecting the dots so to speak you know having everything in one connected space that he can relate everything to each other, so Oh yes, my life is built on tangents. So I'm sure you do to your friends as well. It's just like hey. You're eating a peanut butter sandwich. Johnny probably give them some rally taxable peanut, butter and Jelly. How would how do they react when you do this? Most most people seem to enjoy it or they're very good at pretending I. also I struggled really hard not to. Drop too many facts into. A particular conversation, 'cause it can kind of annoying I totally respect and understand that, so I try to save it up for just the really really good ones yeah I sort of not feeling because I can sometimes do that as well so it'd be a conversation and just drop around in fact on correct someone. And then they'll just be like hot hell. You know that I get that question a lot. Like why do you know these things like like? Why don't you is usually my response? Why don't you know it? I don't say that I'm going to be just like a just know stuff. When I'll tell people a fact and they'll be like wow, is that true? I'll be like it was obscure. It was unprovoked and it came from me. Yes, it's true. That's the litmus test. Well Yeah I guess. The people who know wouldn't understand. In on into defensive PODCASTS, right, you know I mean I also write a blog. I also know like the science communicators who have the on Youtube channels? and. To any buddy all their, who is thinking about what medium they want us to to rights to communicate. I would advocate for podcasting for one reason People are more likely to listen to an entire episode even if it's an hour long. Them read an entire blog post or watch an entire youtube video. Those two mediums people tend to like. Especially when it comes to a block blog posts, they tend to Kim Truitt. Rather than actually read it. And not everyone finishes a youtube video and you have to be looking at a lot of them so some you know you need both the audio and the video to do it obviously the blog post. Has To have your complete attention to be effective at all, whereas with the podcasting, people can be. Folding laundry driving to work on the treadmill when the gyms reopen, you know and you're right there in their ear in a much more intimate and personal way than in the other mediums and I find that our audiences. Connect to us so much more because when you listen to someone, speak at length as regular listener of of any particular show. You really feel like a kinship. You really kind of feel like you're buds with that person. Yeah, exactly and as you said you can do this while doing another activity so something. That's passive. So, but he's still taking all this infamy, and you can put it on fast. You can cram it investor you so does my plug full podcasting for for any. One that wants to do it in the future, especially for the science podcasters wannabes yeah there. There needs to be more science based podcasts because when I when I look at what's available like. If I go to a conference I'm talking to other hosts. A business of course is really big. True crime is huge, and then the rest of it seems to be like Woo Woo and lady boss, and there's just not a lot of informative. Nonfiction podcasting when we could do, we could do with a few more science and history shows. Yes, we I totally agree to. We definitely need more about you. Know An and think you're you're right. The business base seems to be saturated, but maybe there's a huge demand for it. I don't know we'll see. What do we need more science based on fact, base science podcasts. We need more fact based science in the world just in general. Yeah, it's it. It seems well. No, it is a reality will. Right now in this will, we is true facts. We just don't care about facts. If doesn't align with all if the fact is inconvenient. People disregard it and there's. So much misinformation that is so easy to take in, and you can find the information from multiple sources, which feels like corroboration, and then you can claim well I did my research. will all your sources were crap? The fact that there were three of them. You know doesn't really make that. Any better does does true. In a problem, we all face quit as science communicators, it's dealing with those facts and dealing with people who don't like us full telling people won't these facts? Yeah, it's never easy to be the bearer of bad news and to try to pull someone away from an idea that they've latched onto because the. Most effective misinformation is thing the stuff that sounds plausible lake. Oh, yeah, no I could see how that could work, even if you don't fully understand it, it's of sounds like it would work, and then you've got him by the those, and you can pull them right down the rabbit hole. We also have an issue with availability and accessibility of credible information, because when you try to read an article on the New York, times or the. Wall Street Journal website. There's a paywall. But Breitbart Fox News all that's free and easily accessible, so the good stuff is harder to get, but the bad stuff laid out like a buffet. You know you're you're totally right. You Know I. Mean I read New York. Times frequently doubts because I have a subscription. But I know other signs, journalists, friends, science communicators who? Sometimes need to access. An article was published in the New York. Times and they can I mean I'll just like. Printed on a PDF and send it to them. If I know they're looking for, but you know it's still an access problem. What I usually have to do is there's like a split second after you load the page that you can really quickly copy the taxed before before the site realizes you don't have a subscription if you're. If you're just fast enough, you can copy and paste it out of there. 'cause unfortunately the the. Website seemed to also now know when you're looking incognito mode and don't give it to you then either. Yeah, I know before you through that you know using in cognitive motor private browsing moon, depending on which bras a US, and now it's become smarter that which kind of sucks as well you know. I get it, you know they. They need to pay bills to the payday writers and the journalism. Money we need to find a better solution. There's got to be something in the middle between the need for easily accessible credible information, and the very real need to fund good journalism I can tell myself you know we. We need a final solution. Sodas accessible to everyone because you know when you look at what's happening. Today, we definitely need you know we need good. We need could access. We need everything so. I was looking at as I said before I was looking at a few of your episodes. They're quite a few more are science-based. D One talk about some of them that you think Automo- science, related fact related well one of my favorites and I've always I've always loved science I. Am of I'm in the The mister wizard generation to date myself there, which for those who aren't familiar with him. He's Bill Nye for old people. was. Go back and watch it. He really didn't even seem to like those kids, but that's neither here, nor there but. One of my favorite science oriented episodes is about. Doctors testing drugs and techniques on themselves. Some of which seem pretty sensible like Jonas salk actually tested the polio vaccine on himself and his family, because there was a really really necessary rush to get that vaccine developed improved and out to people but then some of them. You're like really really guy. stubbins firth with two FS Fella named Stubbins Firth wanted to prove that yellow fever was not contagious person to person, and he went to extreme lengths anyone who is having their lunch I apologize. He made a cut on his arm and took vomit from a yellow fever patient and rubbed it in the cut when he didn't contract yellow fever. He put the vomit in his eye. That didn't get him sick. And then he started eating it. And wrote a treaties. That yellow fever is not contagious. We do now that it is contagious. It just requires a vector in this case mosquitoes to pass it from person to person. and. That was confirmed. By much later research by a US Army surgeon, who was breeding mosquitoes, four tests on yellow fever, but ironically was bitten by a wild mosquito, got yellow fever and passed away. I remember listening to that episode and all those things that went through just to prove that you know how how yellow fever is transmitted from. Truly disgusting things he did, and I was listening to thinking like man. That is dedication. Yeah, you got to really be very sure that you right. I mean I like being right. I think we all do I really like being right, but. Not enough to saute and eat. Emphasis you know that's where I draw the line. There there's an even more extreme example. Stevens Firth is in the book version of your brain on facts, which is coming out soon. I wish actually put the incident that just sprung to mine in there, too. which was when? Ono I've forgotten the name of the condition. There was a Niacin deficiency condition that we didn't know at the time was a niacin deficiency. and. It seemed like it was a contagious disease either person to person or from bad water like you get with cholera and the. Scientists, who was sure that this was a nutrition based disease and not an environmental contagious disease. Organized what he called a filth party, and he got his his very clever wife, and his very clever friends together and they. On, mass ingested fluids from people with this. Disease called Palazzo. Palabra said Yeah Just fluids from the patients, and then none of them got sick to prove. No, this is just a nutritional deficiency, because the poor do not have access to good enough food, and that's why we have Niacin enriched. Flour and bread products a rumble reading a book on it gone to the science writing. Workshop. One of the presenters one of the people in the workshop. She had written a book on on doubt condition. And I think also book for children and it. Chronicled the wanted deficiency like what what happens to the human body, and why we forty five foods? To to have. Certain vitamins and minerals, but yeah, it was as Pellagra if I remember correctly I love that it's a children's book. Yeah, it was a children's. I went to children's science writing workshop. I could've done with that because I tried to do. A science podcast and Youtube Channel, which was biting off way too much with my niece was called science with Savannah h seven 'cause. She's very very smart and very curious. like I was when I was her age. but it was just. It ended up being too much work in it. pod faded as we say in the industry that end with my add trying to control her with her eighty to keep her on task. It just wasn't gonNA work. Can. Be Difficult you the their science writing workshops for. Writers are want to write for children. I think one that I went to was run by the highlights. Foundation Highlights magazine same guys. Coal. Yelich highlight magazine. Yeah did do that. Do a lot of like work for writers to to help promote and train writers and Dale like this really nice I guess you can call it a fall that that half out there. That's nice and remote in Pennsylvania, so it's nice roster. I'm going to look that up surf into that thing. Gopher Yeah I'm GONNA look up. I've gone on the road for a lot less than that I'll you that for nothing? Yeah, and you get to like interact with the other writers and and talk about writing and science. Ended up stuff. Is is a place where you'd have. You'd probably have fun I. Don't know if they're still doing it, but you know. Check it out. Now not at the moment obviously. So, what are the episodes? Do you think SCIENC- that that you really enjoy doing I've had one hundred nine episodes in so I'll have a moment where I'll go. I'll be scrolling through back catalog and be like what it. What is that even I don't even recognize some of the stuff. I've covered because I've discovered so much particularly science, but another one of my favorites. You know while I'm here desperately. Desperately scrolling through my list on my phone. is actually it's called well-traveled bodies, and it is about various people who covered more ground after their death than they did during their life like the train robber Elmore, Elmer mccurdy, whose body turned up on the set of the six million dollar man eighty years after his death. They thought he was a dummy. A Perron who went through three other countries before finally being buried under twenty feet of concrete so that she would be able to rest in peace. And poor. One Pastrana who was a Mesoamerican woman from rural Mexico. who had hypertrichosis, so she was covered in thick dark hair. Oliver Skin and she had a condition that also made her. Gums and lips very thick, and so it gave her and I. Say this as plainly as possible, a rather simian appearance, and in fact she ended up on the side, shows circuit and was marketed as. The Orangutan girl, the monkey girl, the baby girl her one of her promoters married her. Probably just you know, keep off. The competition had a child with her, but sadly they both died within a few days of the birth. The baby also had hypertrichosis, and then he had them taxidermied. and. It actually gets worse from there but. That one was always one of my favorites, and I'm not one hundred percent. Sure why in my show I also try to turn the spotlight more toward. people of Color and The contributions of women 'cause history. History of every topic tends to be white men all the way down. So I've covered Black inventors goose to so many the things we use every day are based on the work of people of Color. said one episode for Male Inventors and one for female and I couldn. Whole podcast just on that. covered any number of the animal mating. Things I am endlessly fascinated by spotted hyenas, are you? Are you familiar with the mechanics of the spotted Hyena? Noam, not all. There there may Zucca I feel close to hyenas, because like their strangely assembled and I'm kind of strangely assembled myself. The spotted hyena is one of the species where the females are larger than the males and the females. Have a clitoris, not exactly like a human clitoris, but. Eclipse that is as big and sometimes bigger than the males penis, making it very difficult for researchers to tell the difference between the males and the females sometimes even when they have an. Animal it's hard to tell. The actually the clitoris, a spotted. is also their vagina. Canal so the male has to get. It it amazing acrobatic feet for the male to get his penis into the female clitoris, but then. Couple months later. She has to give birth through it. And a lot of pups actually die in the process because you're trying to squeeze a puppy through a garden hose, and and so there'll be tearing and scar tissue scar tissue actually makes it. Easier for subsequent births. and. It's a hierarchy. higher are. Musket. It's a female status society. So Matriarchal, thank you. I was going for hierarchy for some reason. and males can actually never rise. Any higher than the status they have unless some another male dies. That's and they can move up one notch, but they will never be above the lowest female in the group. This it's not it's not easy. Being a male spotted Hyena a think army of like idol read about this, because like some of these things are coming back to me or I mean I've seen it on a youtube video minute. Physics did a good one on it. Yes, that's when I saw out thing they were saying. Generally meal high high are in poor health or the malnourished. because. Yeah, because they don't get any food right all the food, all the good food like all the. Actual flesh goes to the females, and they end up getting the scraps mostly the phones and other stuff that you know doesn't have many good nutrition, so they die young there, even their even lower in rank than their own pups, because the the pups are under the care of the female, and therefore they have. The female status until the male pups, you know mature, and then they're. Back Down to bottom. You know you're just there to. Propagate the species. You have one job. You know might as well do it as best as account. And if they could figure out how to do it without the males, they probably would like various species of snakes and lizards. where the females reproduce without males, you I suspect if the hyenas could they would. Probably would he knows probably in the next generation? We next species that comes from them. We'll do it I, don't know. We'll see. All, but you know back to somebody things say it ain't, and we're looking at the history of women or minorities in anything. This especially applies in science. It's not just that it's the white man. It's that we have deliberately. Erase some of these these. Histories of people who have taken pot. So. It's not a case. That they aren't people that. On not white men who on Dale they have been there is just. We've chosen not to tell it. We've chosen to in recent invest also. A crime in itself. There is There were there were two two black men in situations who were key in teaching anatomy to you know white. Medical students and their legacies weren't rediscovered until very recently and see what I was talking about. With the memory issue, I can't remember either one of these men's names, but hopefully this is ringing familiar for somebody and they're yelling at their car stereo right now and I thank you for it. Will. that. That's the unfortunate fact that you know. They have so many stories out there that we don't know and be really have to work towards. Figuring it out. I'm sure you're probably discovered that in law. Do you been doing your podcast? As as he said? It's hard to find the information you know I. Want to present the women and the people of Color. Who I know were there, but they had to have been there, but their stories aren't perpetuated, so their stories aren't out there to be found. Their stories are copied once for every time Hundred Times that a white males stories copied so. I try hard, but sometimes. It's hidden even from the researchers. Yeah, you're you're right because I recently wrote a piece on Alice Ball. For. Almost, no one knows who she is. But she discovered the first successful treatment for leprosy, and that was her own. The time of the foods will war at shade. She was a chemist, so she thought this chemical process. To get the oil from the of plant. The seed. To get it to dissolve into to become water soluble, so it can be a deliverable shrug. And unfortunately, she died. You know before she published. And because chlorine poisoning in order to spoil one places. We're getting bombed an attack. She got gassed yet. Tear gas, so she was demonstrating to class how to use a mask, and apparently she got exposed to chlorine gas, and it affected. Who so less than a year later, she died from it. And the Dean of the college where she worked. His name was also dean. I can't remember his first name He stole who research published it and to cry over. And just just like Rosalind Franklin that Watson and Crick got a Nobel prize. You EXAC her for the for the notebook the work that they stole from her men before passed away before they got it. Yet of DNA, yeah, and they. She had passed away before they got the award. Nobel prizes are not awarded posthumously, so it couldn't even be corrected well. I don't so much haven't issued that. She wasn't awarded the Nobel Prize because she had died. It's that that cramped was taken from her. It was it was stolen. Yeah, saying they couldn't then be fixed you. Didn't even acknowledge that the photograph that they they soa under the able to based in research on was was stolen by who assistant showed them that photograph that he had no right to show him. You know without a permission. So. But it's a common story understandable frustration. Bona snack for you A. Gas Attacks are the reason that soldiers stopped wearing mustaches. If, you think of soldiers, you know pre. World War One big big bushy mustaches which is why bonus bonus, the Amish, where a beard, not a mustache, because they're pacifists and soldiers, when they when their society formed more mustaches, but you need to get a good seal with a gas mask. If you WANNA get out alive, so facial hair had to go and the chlorine gas attacks were also the basis of the old grandma saying You know if you've got, you're making a an ugly face and says if the wind changes. It'll stick like that because if the wind shifted. And blew the corine gas down into the trench because it is heavier than than air. Yet, your face is going to stay in a twisted contorted contracted state. 'CAUSE you're debt. Mix. Two three three three bonus tracks. They're yeah. We really giving listeners something for roll their money I don't know. Any other favorite favorite episode that you have you. WanNa talk about. Let me. Let me let me see again. I've done one hundred and nine cupboards of science fiction. mudhole episode on mud, I, like I like to challenge myself by doing topics that sound like they should be so small and so boring, and when you look at anything, you look long enough. Fascinating stuff starts to bubble to the surface like did on salt I'm a little more history oriented than than science oriented. Because Oh my God. No, you didn't episode. NOOSES was? A couple of weeks ago, the history of nursing. You know every like that Kurt covered Mary Siebel because I'm from the Caribbean from trout and yeah, she's from Barbados believe. But. Like really cool at N- issues, I think she might have in Jamaica okay. Yeah, that's right. Getting it wrong. Is Really Cool. You know your focus from someone in the Caribbean That kind of like mental thing to me when I was listening to so. I'm very glad and mother see. Coal is another person who's story is not. Widely enough known you know a lot of of. Women and women of Color who made these advances in medicine through nursing. We just never hear about you. Know you hear about the Albert Schweitzer's and you've probably heard in Florence Nightingale, but you don't really know what she did. Something with a lamp. I don't know but then there are all of these women who. You know probably millions of people are alive because of the advances they added to medicine, and we can't be bothered. And where half them named Mary. The other thing I noticed when I was researching this episode. Slick half of the the women who are important in history of nursing are named Mary. Which is my Christian missed? My calling was I supposed to be a nurse who flee. You didn't miss a but. Not something like a number. The only. Mary or most of them all? I don't must be. Name follows the profession kind of deal. I duNNo. Nominative determinism so I just feel have to figure out. But yeah, Well it, also you just you. It used to be a more common name. You don't see a lot of people falling over themselves to name their babies Mary. This is true and I guess. Colonialism also had apart since it brought Christianity, too. Much of the world. So who knows about probably a small persons figure lot and. Come tell us it's probably a combination of all those things. Most things in life are a combination of the many possibilities so. Y- I really enjoyed that darkness is episode. Yeah Mary CBA was was part of it. Thanks. Very very glad so you growing up where you always like this trivial science kind of kid who's interested in that kind of stuff. Yeah, I, I always loved learning Probably a turning point in that was. I was a TV addict of the first order. Watch TV constantly, so that was the real punishment. My parents could put on me was to take away the TV because we lived in a rural part of Pennsylvania. And I was a kid I was going to go very far. anyways, no point in grounding me, but take away the TV and now you have my attention, but I was allowed to watch the news and educational programming. And, so yeah, flip it over to. At the time was the source for educational programming and I think that fired a dormant. Desire. To learn new things and I'd say, science was probably my favorite subject in school at a really great science teacher in Elementary School. Who made it? made it kept it interesting because scientists interesting, but a bad teacher can ruin any subject. Those true. And, admittedly I didn't do well in physics, though, but thankfully we had a long term substitute, who wasn't good at physics either so. She kind of took it easy on us. Because! My background is actually in physics so. Too much math. I'm not good with math I'm I'm good with words? Nuts much numbers well. Okay, so his one one secret and thing is almost no one is like. As good at math as you think that they are just a lot of Hod wickford. Yeah, the few individuals who? Are, just naturally talented at it, but even they have to work at it. Sal. I think that's something that all teachers should tell tell. The students is like almost no one is like really good up about well, it's it's a it's a strange. Swear Society. Look if you're bad at art or music. That's okay, but if you're bad at math, oh, you're too stupid. Why isn't it okay not to be good at math the way? It's okay not to be good at art, music. True and To be honest I. Know a few physicists who aren't good at math anyway. They have to really work at it. Hey, that's what we have calculators for up. That's the other thing that's why we have. We have CALTON'S WE HAVE PROGRAMS DOT com. Allies to stay to solve these equations for us. you still have to put it all together and that's where the. Creativity and understanding comes in. You know of being scientists, but. You know it's the of tools for them. That's. Seen Inter interesting thing I'm one of six daughters and half of us are blonde, like mom, and half or Brunettes like dad and the Brunettes, like dad have math skills and the blondes. Well, I I. Don't think it's like a genetic thing. They're thinking probably a like a cultural. Thing. Where we think! Oh your blonde, not that's. That's my interpretation I'm not sure it was that pervasive on a scholastic level, but come to think of it. My Dad did teach me every joke. There was to be had, but an short jokes and what I wanted to be a lawyer. The lawyer jokes and I realized as an adult he wasn't. Making fun of me, he was arming me because. It can't be used against you if you get there i. Like, nobody can use these jokes to hurt you if you tell the joke, I, yeah, that makes sense You know it's you know you prepares you for what's out there you know and. People can be cruel. But I found that if you can make them laugh, everything in life's a little bit easier. That's true. I totally agree so. What so? Is there any particular reason? You didn't pursue science and when your kid I had a? One year. My family moved I was very very upset about the move, and at that point didn't care about anything. I stopped playing my saxophone. I stopped applying myself at school and whatnot, and just was like super lazy all through through middle, school and I think I just wasn't. Open. To the possibilities. 'cause I it could have been something that might have pursued, but I just didn't have my eyes open to see the possible science careers and God knows we need more women in stem and yeah I maybe could've could've should've been one of those, but I wasn't I didn't leave myself. Open to the possibilities, but I didn't mind being. A goat farmer and I got to. Do you know fairmount biology in that I had to do a lot of chemistry in making the the soap in the skincare products because it was. Proper old fashioned Lye soap. So you gotta get your Ph right they're. Not as much science and burlesque necessarily. Accept the adhesive qualities various glue, depending on which type of fabric you're sticking your rhinestones onto and I still leave a trail behind me everywhere I go. You know back back to what you just said about not knowing the possibilities. Because I have interviewed a few women on podcast. and. You know. They. All became scientists in in some way or the, but you know that was one problem. Of them talked about is. That didn't know that they could do that. But Something happened in their life that showed him that possibility that hey, I should do this. I'm cool at this This I want to do this. And I think that's something that. At least damned that we really need to work on. Is Not just for women, but for all minorities where people of Color for. Underrepresented groups. All. Know show them that. Hey, we, we need people like you in the field, because diversity is so important especially when it comes to problem solving in, we need those different perspectives. Yeah, we need we need people who think differently because everybody on the team thinks the same way. You are not going to come up with the answer to your problems. You need the different points of view and the different ways of thinking. Exactly. Like a little bit of history at one point in time. The. US Was the leader in Particle Physics Right? Almost all research was being done there. And then as they stopped funding for the superconducting somebody. Name is slipping me right now. Semiconductors the. Yeah, it was like. This the super chill it was, it was supposed to be like a really large superconductors was being. Launched on Danny L. Each is right now. But Congress, stopped funding for it. They were like. Halfway done building it. Congress decided hey, this spent. This is costing too much money. So, we going to stop funding and. Other. Countries started stepping up. Because of that, it means other countries often helping fund these massive projects so. You see countries like France and India taking pot, and you're think okay. This is physics and engineering, right? We have a problem. Everyone is gonNA call with the same solution and it turns out. That wasn't the case. Some of the novel solutions came from. These typically under represented countries like India, when it came to solving some of these problems that they needed to. Make everything work. So. Again this is a case for diversity in all these fields. You know not not just them. We need to work towards that adds become. It's become painfully obvious that the people in charge here do not have a basic understanding of most sciences in. It's like Neil degrasse Tyson, said wire the always lawyers and business people you know. Why is there no one with a science background? My answer being pleased. Let them keep doing science. We need them doing science, but it would be nice if you know just people trying to write laws, regulating women's bodies had like a sixth grade sex education. You know, understand understand how they work. Just just replant the topic. Pregnacy doesn't work like that. skippy here we need. We need out. It's just a Lisa basic understanding of biology. When would help at this point but? I think they should have I think they should have to draw and label the feeble female reproductive system before they can introduce any bills regarding it. And if you can't at least get seventy percent of that correct. Nobil for you. It would make sense I. Don't know if if we can do that. Now. It's never going to happen, but. It's nice to Dream Yeah. It's nice to dream. But. It's. Not, just you know the female anatomy and women's rights, climate change and all of it everything. and. With everything would depend Democrat now you know it's. It's really frustrating to see some of these things play out on news yet. The governor of Georgia didn't know that S. domestic carriers are a thing and mean I can understand that it's only been one hundred and thirteen years since Mary. Mallon was discovered to be spreading typhoid, but it's cool if he's not up to date on that. That's fine. Yeah, it's it's. A stoning a how ignorant we all in in science. Considering that. Much of the world that we live in right now it's science and technology based. Everything is science. Every single every single thing as science and each subsequent graduating class seems to no five percent less than the class before them, and that's how we end up with people who you know think wearing surgical mask is going to fix it you. If that were the case, surgeons would be dropping onto their patients every time they were in the or You know. If we had a better. If, we were putting money into science education. We wouldn't have people so dangerously misinformed and easily misled on health and science issues. That's that's true. You know as a science communicator, a knowledge that they are difficulties in communicating science. You know when when communicating these ideals. You want just dealing with facts. You're dealing with challenges to peoples, belief systems and. As a whole different can of worms. I don't know how to deal with, but it's something that we still need to do battle. Because absolute so much as a steak right now, you don't have to tell me. I have an IDIOPATHIC pulmonary condition and I've been sequestered in my house only leaving once a week. so I. don't go stir crazy. RUN GROCERY STORE I've been I've been sequestered three months next week. Oh. Yeah and my mother's husband has COPD in a number of other problems, and even though she only lives three miles away, I don't even let her open the door if I run an errand for her I'm like I'm leaving on the porch. You wait till I walk over there. Then you can open it the door and get it. It's not. You know it's probably very. Difficult to live to be alive trina pandemic. When you have a major health problem that living with you know it's. Been I can't speak for everyone, but I can say that. At least at least in high family, we are taking this seriously, and we are giving side eye to the people in the store who aren't. I guess that's all he can do right now because I think. A lot of people don't realize how serious it is. And if they do? They're more concerned well. It really doesn't affect me, so I don't care about exactly. Yeah, and like well I'm healthy. You know yeah now. But this you know we still don't even understand how. Cove nineteen is killing people. You know we're trying to play. Catch up on this because it's not just taking out the old people with preexisting conditions, it's affecting children, but it affects children very differently than it does older people and people in their twenties and thirties. It's a whole new set of symptoms in them, too, and it's killing them with side, kind, storms and strokes. You eat. Nobody can walk around thinking that they are. Strong enough to. To beat this. Yeah, you know of of told friends step in the often. Hear the President say Oh, in the summer. That's going to be warmer. It's going to dry out I. Try never try never to hear anything. He says I literally cannot stand the sound of his voice. Does that, too, but you know I keep telling people. This is a pandemic virus, and what it means is going to act very differently from a seasonal virus. Right like the flu where we can predict. Maybe, one day SARS coffee to is going to act like a seasonal virus, but we're not there yet I'm. You're not going to be there for several years? At least probably a decade at most now, but in right we this full haul. This is our new will on new reality, and we have to work around down I. Don't think people are aware now that more people know about the nineteen eighteen flu than you know the new about a year ago. I! Don't think they know how long it lasted. It was problematic for for more than a year there were multiple peaks, and the first one was not the most serious one Roy in many many a metropolitan areas, the second spike like Philadelphia through a parade to raise money for the war effort. And that caused a massive massive outbreaks which we are going to be seeing soon because the businesses that are starting to reopen are not enforcing social distancing. if if I correctly it. Does exactly why that second peak came about with. Because they relax social distancing, they said Oh look, it's going down. We're safe now. Let's go out and. Do the normal stuff, and that's when that second wave hit and hit hard. Yeah, but it's the same mentality as saying I am no longer hurtling toward the earth at dangerous speeds. I'M GONNA. Go ahead and take off the stupid parachute. You know you're. You're not safe yet. We're not. Through it yet, even when it slows down, it's still not safe and I live in the state of Virginia and our governor is doctor. He is unfortunately caving to pressures, but he has been more sensible than a lot of state governors as to our response to the pandemic. Well, you know it's difficult to. Allocate. Homage? Blame should go. The local government that state governors to the federal government. you know one of the biggest problems is that the federal government hasn't really shown any leadership at all on this issue, which makes it all that more difficult forty state governors to do anything right so even if they do try to do the right thing and say okay, we need to isolate and stay at home. The federal government is saying is like. Yeah. We leave that up to the states to decide you know we're not going to unify country on this so. Essentially, now you have an ungovernable populous. Dep. Doesn't want to do anything so yeah, and then you have you have. You know area a that's lockdown, but then area be that is is being reckless about it and I've seen people say well. We're not in a hot spot. This thing moves y'all. It all it takes is somebody to get in their car and come to your city congratulations. You're the next hotspot. The virus doesn't move. We move the virus if we all just stop moving. Everybody just. Your House is not that bad. Your kids are annoying I'm sure, but they're really not that bad. Your situation is not that bad. We will fix everything when this is over. Yeah, it's the economy sucks. I've been outta work for three months. We can't fix it if we're dead. Yeah it is does that. You know another thing. That's one of the things that I think most people. Especially those people that that want to end stay at home orders I. Don't think they realize. Yeah. We are all hooting and. People who are hooting all also wants advocating that we isolate and stay at home so if we don't see that you know what I just don't see how we are going to get true this when all massive losses of life yeah I think it was the. MP for scholar someone. Governmental body in Scotland. She said that if your life has not dramatically changed. You are not contributing. To the solution and you will be responsible for the loss of life. I'm paraphrasing are the exact quote, but if you're if you're life has not substantially changed since the started. You are not part of the solution, and you will cost someone. Their life wrote in overdose. Substantially change in while also say you're extremely privileged to. For that to happen as well. You know. You know if you're in that situation I'm know good for you, but not all of us all you know so I, don't know. I don't know how to say. How to comment on. Other than it's. It's a complete mess in summation. It's a complete mess up thing. That's all how the best way to just some is. It is just a complete mess. So! I think we've talked about. A dozen thing so far I'd say anything else. You WanNa talk about before we start wrapping up. You can talk about your book Ono. We've had a nice meandering conversation through various areas of science and society. Yeah, we have God political, but science is these. Yeah, it, science science has been politicized and. I you know. I see people online. Defaming Dr Anthony Fauci and I will. I will defend him with my last breath. You know like like Lord of the rings when defending frodo except shorten. Why near Because the eighties when the Reagan administration wouldn't admit. That HIV existed back when it was still referred to as as grid was gay right in the name of it grew to. Anthony FAUCI. Pushed that it just be treated like a disease that it's just a disease, and we need to treat it as such, and not as a moral punishment, and so he is a number one superstar in my book. And I think. That was we would all not just with the HIV epidemic, but also while the other. Potential epidemics like stars covy. One with a ball. Or also saying the inequality in treatment and access, and hopefully trying to remedy some of these these things you know now that we can no longer contain this virus, because with all these diseases they impacted poor people more damn in a wealthy people who able to somewhat isolate themselves from the effects of this so. We'll see. The situation has sort of sort of magnified all of the underlying. Societal disparities and failings in our healthcare system and Was Not a good sturdy structure furthest thing to land on. No, it was, it was not. Definitely not and hopefully you know what if we do get a vaccine? You know within the next decade or so five. Or if you're lucky. And we do get to it in the next two years dat. We managed to. Get it to people who may not necessarily. Be Able to afford it. You know financially. But we can still. Deliver to down so they get the help they need 'em. Re can get this virus on the control. I don't know. I'll just we'll just have to help for the best thing that's that's all we can do right now. So, what did you tell us? About your upcoming book well, it is called your brain on facts things. You didn't know things you thought you knew and things you never knew you never knew a bit wordy a title, but hey, it's my first time out so. it is a lot like the podcast except that about two thirds of the contents are topics that have not an will not be on the podcast, so they are exclusive to the book, but just like the podcast it has a science and history and personal stories not mind, but you know biographical type of information The spotted hyenas are in. There have to make sure that they that they got in. There is technology. Everything from like pizza toppings around the world to the UNSUNG. Heroes of medicine, so we can we get this book? You can go to your brain on facts. Dot Com slash book, and it'll three one you over to the Amazon page, or by all means, contact your favorite local bookstore. You may not be able to go there in person, but they need your love now more than ever. They do. Pretty show and any small business. You know they need as much help as they can get. So. Check Marx's book out in a when when it comes out. And on Social Media Holcombe cocaine people follow you or contact you on facebook and instagram eight is your brain on facts and over on twitter. It is brain on facts pod. You can always drop me an email at at your brain on facts dot com. On I'll be sure to include all of that in the show notes and. I think we can start wrapping up. It was really nice having you on. This was a very stimulating conversation. Thank you very much for inviting me here and hopefully we can do it again sometime. In the future well right now I've got nothing but time so. Same here. Bye! Bye. I hope you enjoyed my talk, at Moxie. 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Celebrate Death

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02:38 min | 1 year ago

Celebrate Death

"I'm sure a hosted web comic strip interviews today celebrate death probably a lot of people writers. You can ask to kill our characters even if we're not talking you're going to go full Georgia Martin. Game of thrones style. You'RE GONNA WANNA kill a couple of characters here and there the characters are gonNA share your plot because you're definitely going to be showing you you've devastations game or you just need me some sort of symbolic gesture in the Heeley demonstrations. There's a line that cannot be crossed crossed. You know that you're accused. Death is going to serve actual purpose purchasing your story and because that that character needs to go however her odds are you've got some sort of emotional bond that character you've got some full-time investment into that character and so you can see deterrence. Death is definitely not GonNa be desirable in you can try new ways that characters possible. That's fine is long as a character in the dying. proselytize the most dramatic fashion possible. Unless you're some actual point for the character issue with a simple newborn stabbing to the valley the or a shot in the head. You'RE GONNA get death as graphic as possible own emotional wellbeing being. Yeah I know that sounds weird. But let's get real if you're just doing minor characters. Minor desks works. You know you've made your point go on. We're good between meter character. You want to evacuate puts him in pushing detonates. You you're going to let us seek sanity. She knows that character is dead. You'RE GONNA WANNA go overboard. You're you'RE GONNA WANNA go full patient door he slash Freddie Krueger Network Guy. You need to be says you need characters. John that no way that care who's GonNa Return. And she needs to make the death of memorable he possibly can character instead. And you've done it step wishing keyboard award and you ever you do for quick funeral for that character. Issue Going Union. Psychologically speaking you've done with the character is it's time to move on and you can't move unless you have well you've lit a candle through the character. Something new something inaccurate memory. Just for your own personal psychology. You remember that you Hughes Writer Arne Joel Death and if you're GONNA be doing your job well you need to learn how to celebrate that. I hope to see if he has checked me out web comic view. They'll any podcast Near you thanking have a great day.

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CCK Podcast: Throne Through A Wall (Game of Thrones preview, Action Bronson drama, feat. Ellie, Clem & Marty Mush)

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1:53:14 hr | 2 years ago

CCK Podcast: Throne Through A Wall (Game of Thrones preview, Action Bronson drama, feat. Ellie, Clem & Marty Mush)

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You're so annoying dot name is so much better than Ellie. Like kind of road. I'm just telling you, by the way, the beautiful beautiful beautiful naming that my name sucks, but the other name is better than I should be going. Eliana did not did he not say Allie, your this is this is so female. Eliana is better than Elliott. That's all I said, and so you're implying that there's something wrong with Ellie did not. No, I'm not then what do you mean? By letter. It's like chocolate Donut are better than powder donuts. I'm not disparaging the good name of powder donuts low-powered powder. Donuts. Don't you kick you right off feeling your mouth like it makes your teeth cold or something like this? It's the thing. I don't like about the teeth are on the problem. If you eat too, many, you kind of do get like eating flower hill, but they're phenomenal. Just like Elliot's a good name. But Eliane is a great name. I don't like it makes me sound like an old lady. No what what? No, no, no, no old lady name, Agnes mauve. Eleanor. When I heard Elliott, wouldn't nor would be a bad old name Eliana sounds like new school like fucking new like I think I don't like it because there was a girl that I knew who's also Eliana, but she was like, a swat lesbian, and like a Butch lesbian. And like it just as like now, I just don't another. I don't like which lesbians. It's just not the vibe that I want to be given just lost the Butch lesbian demo. I think that that's my main audience, they're probably watching those YouTube tutorials the makeup tutorials. Elliot's got herself a new YouTube page, I do where she's doing makeup and all all sorts of Elliott things. Yeah. And the real reason we have are in here right now is to talk game of thrones. Because I think stereotypically speaking, you're probably one of the most unlikely game of thrones fans out there people look at you. And I don't think they think this girl's got some game of thrones theories. I think like the most weirdly, some of the most blowback I've ever gotten was when I posted my first span theory blog people were like, you don't read you don't know how. You don't know how to read your short pretty girl. You're not read. What's next you're going to vote to? But it's funny. It's like, I definitely know too much. We always reading the placebos. Vera of fuck one. Like this girl is going away the one where no the Sam Tyler one. I reference Lord of the rings tail and people were like. Nerd. Yeah. You've been doing a fan of theory like almost every single day leading up to the premier and their deep if you. Yeah. I mean, that's the problem. I have learned my lesson with theories dating back to detective season one bread at theories were far superior to what actually happened in that book in that in that show. So the point that I was like this is not good because it should have been this initiative in that. And and actually ran people the or a better writer than you are just like exhausting like they're just like, oh my God. Like there's so much and like one of them are going to be true. You know what? I mean. I feel like I kind of know what's going to happen them at the point. Now where I and I'm like, I know this is not going to happen. I think it's easier to weed out with not going to have. But some of them are fun. You do it the at the your ranking like they went into. Do I like this and also as plausible it'd be fun for the show? And would it be actually happening to different things? But it's easy to weed out the ones that are not going to happen. The ones that are gonna happen. His norms. So what we're going to do is starting next week. It is game stools, which by the way. I love the name. Everyone's like that named sucks. I'm like, are you kidding own stools iron stool and the little logo has the swords holding up the stool, it's great very, clever, clever or smart. We'll be doing a game of thrones podcast every week for the final season, which is only six weeks long, which is just so very few weeks soda pass before game of thrones is out of our lives forever. And don't talk to me about the spin offs. No, no. They'll be fine. But it's not the thrones will be over. And so it will be me. Ellie Riggs clam fights rea- Robbie Trent pretty much. Everyone will be rotating people in and out. So that's not too much of a cluster. Fuck, but we'll be talking about eary's and reactions and what we want to happen. And what is happening and who we want to win and who we think's gonna win team Sergiy? No not. Yes, I am. And I'm ultimately like what I want is certainty, and what will happen is why walkers are just gonna kill everybody. I don't know about that. The here's the thing. I mean, they are a I heard gigantic unstoppable. Army of the dead. They have dragons. Let's it. They have dragons on debt. They have an that's okay. But living's unless they got a dragon in one in the first battle. That's true. And they didn't even try that hard. I was like really talking here javelin Olympic gold in the javelin going. Well that was easy. I read I read a theory that the six oh is going to happen and everyone's going to die, and like they're gonna lose and whatever. But then they're going to drop a surprise like the on say lemonade style episode, and it's going to be like brand goes back in time and saves everything. And then he's the only person that remembers that everyone died and like, yes. So then you kind of get both like you think it's over. You're like fuck HBO. Fuck George Martin. And then because everything in the book has like seven symbolism. Why six episodes when the entire time? It's been seven books pointed star, this is fucking awesome thing. I have. I've ever heard. I'm so glad that I started watching because I literally got chills when one week do. I'd six seven do that right now. I wish what they should have done. What? Right. What what is the cooler airing? What is airing Sunday night nine o'clock after game? Thrones. What show is like your is it what they should have done was concoct a whole new series and done like a marketing campaign being like this is the new series. That's gonna take over the game of thrones time slot starting the week after the finale and get some hype into it and people tune in and then that show doesn't exist. It's all marketing campaign and everyone tunes in I'm gonna watch this new show called E as about as logger all doing YouTube, and then it's going to be like, then you're just going to hear the fucking game of thrones music drop, and it just like, Nope. There's third. I'm like horny, right? She must be so awesome. Although I don't know if I like, I don't like any show, and they're going to do is with the fucking vendors where they're just like, well, we have the time stone we're gonna go back in time and fix it. All that's kind of annoying. But the idea of like a surprise. They don't care if it's the brand thing or whatever like, I just want that set it up anything, you think it's over you think you know, how it ends. You're pissed off. You're mad see. And that's also this is why I don't want to theories though, because that is such a good idea that if some schmuck on the internet came up with that and the God damn what's her name's from game of thrones HBO wasting whatever couldn't come up with that. Then be better. Now that would be so fucking sick. Some. I also read a theory that I liked that was it's like super sad though. Like, okay, so denarius is going to die. And then one of the John's got this could be switched either. But this is going to die or John's gonna die, but we'll say generis, and then they tried to burn a body camper niche. She can Tarin so she starts turning into a white Walker. And then Jon snow stabs dragging glass into our hearts, so she becomes like a half dead thing. Like uncle Benjamin, you know, how he sort of alive evil. Evil that. So then she goes back over the wall. We'll go binging seat. And she like controls the ice dragon whatever and then rebuilds the wall, and then John Harris never can never see each other again. But everything is like saved. So it's like bittersweet the a song of ice and fire. So heavily seems to mean, Dan, Johnny to me that it's Dan, and Johnny Danny John that I almost Johnny hope it's not that like that almost seems to to like Romeo and Juliet like we've been even calling at this from the fucking beginning. And it's just like he's fire. He's ice. And she's fiery. Yeah. But but really it is like the dragons versus the white Walker. Right. Well, there's a couple. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So who do you think is it's on this outcome? Sit on the throne. I don't know. I can't put my theories out like I don't know until I've seen at least the first step is out because I knew how the seventh seventh episode of the seventh season was going to end before it ended. But I didn't know until the last episode, but I predicted everything correctly. I was like Santa. And aria just know you're gonna hear it can you like just like this. Okay. He's headphones. Okay. Sauna and aria are going to turn on what's his name? And then he's going to die like they're tricking each other whatever, and Danny John are gonna bone. I was like that's going to happen happened. Are I feel like people knew that though? I don't think you should give yourself too much. Well, the everybody was waiting for those to the other thing people were like, no like some are is going to die or this is going to happen. I'm like, no, you fucking whatever. I mean, I was I was cheering for those two to fuck. Yet some incidents puffing. I mean game of thrones has done the impossible, and they have made incest regular shifts along with but whatever born has done their best as well. I feel like we can't talk about horn early Ellie does not know enough about this, and you know, too much about excuse like excuse, you, do I know a regular amount any more than normal. I don't I guarantee all the guys that you fuck around with. No as much as I do. They just don't there's smart enough to speak about it. Yes. You like to speak about it too, many people. I you compare yourself to wipe who who knows where he knows wasting hutch. That's why people be a, you know, like, you know, like fucking Nali Smith. I'm like, I don't know. Like, look you've seen this one online AB. I don't know. You know, you know, you shit, man. I'll tell you what what's the the mere thought. The notion that this fucking iron throne. Even matters does as such a fucking joke. As if as if like, let's say my girl Serfaty as if she could win and everybody else would just be like, okay? Well, let's do now. Like, yeah. All right. It's maybe she slaughters all the main players like all, right? I killed Dan. And Johnny got to stop doing that. That's it. Once I've done something twice. I know. That's it. Thank for its it. Stay on Johnny now. Like like, the the rest of the seven kingdoms and the rest of the realm is just going to be like, okay? Well, you know, she won the election. So we're stuck with her like, yeah, I feel I know the iron throne literally will not even exist. You think it's going to be physically destroyed throughout? No, I think everyone's going to be dead. And then the white walkers are gonna kill it. I think they're gonna walk right past the fucking iron throne. They're gonna kill everyone. And the final scene is going to be like the iron throne like tipped over while the white walkers just continue to walk, and I don't know what they do after that. Just keep walking. We'll sad depressing ending. Well, guess what Ramsay Bolton said it best. If you think that this has a happy ending, you have not been paying attention. But so winter has come before. Right. Isn't it always like winter is always long in western house? But it's not that the white walkers root. This is a new thing. They thought the white walkers were dead, right? But the sending. Sending for some reason. Do we know when the last winter winter is like this was so it's set right now in the long summer. So it's been like ten years since there's only ten years. It's not okay. But like the winters are usually like two three years, you know, they're not like ten thousand year winters, the long night that was the long long winter. It was like a generation not ten thousand years was probably like fifty years or so I I mean, I looking at me like that. And because they think that there's gonna be a long winter. There would just be a king or Queen rural west rose during a winter. And you're saying this is coming. It's going to wrap it all I mean, you know, John Johnson was the only guy who's out here. Like, it doesn't matter. What your petty differences aside? People are zombies coming if he told me anything, they don't believe it. That's why they were like let's go get one and bring back which was the dumbest plan of all time. I would listen to him. You know? Yes, I feel like people should listen to him wouldn't. I mean, I don't know. I gotta I gotta heartache I don't think Harrington's thought I think if he don't think other character tennis hot, I think John Hillis hot. All right. I agree with that broody. He'd like he's so Email so Email Danjean. He's nice to like the one person. Bench engine. But he like, you know, every girl wants a guy like mean to everyone, but nice to her. What I do what I will tell you is. I know for fact, I know this. I know it the honest gonna die the Andrei is going to die trying to rescue Yara, and it'll be his like heroes, redemption. He died to save her wons. Yes, folk, I know what people don't care, but he's like such. No knock Lewis like if he if he was not in this season. It wouldn't affect game of thrones at all. But you don't know that. That's I mean, we'll. There takes a plot to us where he really does matter. But I'm saying you could also just take him out. And no care. No, one would be like, where's Yara we need more Yara, but lack like the he just wrote too much Georgia Martin he bit off more than he calls. You don't even know made too many characters too many families too many houses too, many places to many languages too many. I'll tell you right now a lot a lot. But but you're on great joy is across the ocean folk during in the golden company, so we need that storyline. He is. He's no joke. You're on is a bad bad, dude. He not back. He makes he makes Ramsey look like fucking. No. That's just simply incorrect. I dunno. I think you're on about to do some shit. Our the you're about to see so not like flay people cut their Dicks off. I think we might see that turn someone into like a creature like he's not like that. He's not psychologically fucked up. Like, I think he's going to be pretty pretty fucking dark. I don't know. I guess we'll say we will find out and we will find out just a mere. Oh my God. We feel like like, I always think about these things. Usually what I do is. When I when I have something miserable in my life coming up. I'm like, whatever may be. Let's say I'm really not looking forward to Monday. I'm like in twenty four hours is going to be Tuesday. And that's just going to be over like, whatever, however bad that thing you're expecting is in just a mere twenty four hours it'll be over and I'll do that with long-term things too. Like man, this is going to be a rough month, but thirty days and all of a sudden it's going to be made. No big deal. You do that game of thrones. It's like think about this. Your your your gearing up for like the summer, right mindset. Just like fascinates me at all times. If you're gearing up for the summer, right? Yeah. Like, you probably already have some summer plans. Maybe or even thinking about Memorial Day, or you got a house that you rented you're gonna go here gonna go there. And that's pretty fucking close. Right. Yeah. Game of thrones will be over by the time, you're doing that. So sad. That's fucked Kim tons of six people are counting down to Memorial Day game of thrones will start and finish before that shit or like right at that ship, right? It was like may twenty something that it's. Over. Yeah. Like. I don't want to be over. I'm not ready when I don't wanna say goodbye. I know and you're going to say goodbye to everyone because they're all look you. They're not all going to die. They're not. They should all die. I'm actually gonna be pretty upsetting that they come to. The whitewater. They're going to kill all the while. They drive them back the whitewater. What are they going to do like just get just manufactured tons drag and kill all of them? Or do you think? It's like if you kill all the whites. If you kill all the white walkers all the white stuff. That's how it works. Everyone who's gone from the one dies if they just kill them. If you. Created everybody. Okay. So they don't not have a chance. Right. But not not possible. It's just should be just should I think they have a show that has been in a book series. It had been. But it's so thrones not game of night king like it that the final thing going to be challenged between sir c and everybody else. I think that that is to like like tied up. I know that just also is like that's what it started as and it's just grown into basically like a fight for survival. Not a fight for like who's on the throne. Like, I said someone's just going to be okay, I get to make decisions day one of my regime, like we're going to raise taxes would see the one reason I disagree with that is because you know, when before I watched any of it you were like, I was like I'm surprised everybody's into dragons. Politicaly about that. Yeah. Yeah. It makes it about that if the monsters win, but it's just like oh within zombies and they killed they mean. Well, I agree. But then they shouldn't have made the white walkers. Like what they are to me. It seems silly that anybody would beat the white walkers. They should have made them a little more like fallible. Because right now, it seems to me like. Dragon. Let's go, but they're not. All right so impossible. But it's pretty unlikely. Team. Doesn't that feel like loss to you? Then at the end where lost they were just like and everybody dies that seems to be this. But I think that that weighs seven seasons completely irrelevant. I think that that's the way this is kind of been written like it's like just this. Agreed that remind you of everybody and we kill like, well, we'll read wedding you, you're pessimistic Britain. This story is not all your doctors Ned star chop off his head your entire favorite family dead your tire while this guy lost his dick. But like everybody what I think that that the show has shown is that stuff keeps going on. You think that this is the main character? He's dead. You think that this family really matters? They're dead. But there's other stuff that go on. I think it's weird to wipe literally everything out, and then just be like Enin zombies run the whole show for like along like western no, there's nothing. It gets rid of the whole theme of the show, which I wouldn't say this is like the central theme. But it's definitely theme is like love and like familial bonds, and like people like, that's what matters. Whatever that like like evil is basically like winning out that battle it's winning. Now. It's a it's a swipe. Think that that's that beam is gonna continue Tepper. It's like, oh, we're literally the red wedding is a microcosm for the whole thing. It's like everyone's happy and love and this guy's having a baby. I was going to take out. What was coming to them? They all got what was coming to them. It's all an equal balance. George Armar someone else onto the end Demetriou. Something else to win in the end. So good is going to win in the end. Because that's how it works. If you wanna think bad's gonna win the end, and I think goods going to think I think in the end we will look back to that that the scene was Ramsey bolt. Move that quote, where he says if you think it has a happy ending, you have been paying attention, and we're all gonna go like he told us he told us, but I do think he's one of these little furry fuckers who's written it already. You know what I mean? Like, they're he's he's somewhere along the way. He's like, I told you and you just didn't notice it. I guess, but I don't know. I disagree with you. I think we'll see who's right? But I think it's gonna be bitter. Sweet. I don't think I'm going to be happy. If there's not a major someone's that over half of a very happy person of a very fan favorite person like REM, Mike. It's a little disingenuous like somebody. Yeah. Like, you know, she might die once fucking. Yes. Start girls. Kick rocks. Well, they'll you wanna go here right now. I mean have we forgotten how much Sansa sucked for ninety percent of their fourteen. Okay. And she went through a lot of traumatizing things. And she came out a bad ass bitch. Okay. I mean, she went through our traumatizing things because she was a fucking bitch. That's not true. She got putting a shitty situation before that when she was all about Joffrey and shit. See Liz fourteen. Do you remember being fourteen? Got him. But can medieval realms were being fourteen year like an adult you're like sitting on the throne. Well, she was stupid. She exactly was the two girls should be killed. Honestly. Kevin. Sometimes I swear to God, I'm gonna kill you. You're stupid girl. I'm a stupid girl, which I got stupid girls YouTube fakes. Dick know, why this guy get off this podcast? We got the rest of the best of for you. Jared's been out. So fights has been filling in and I don't know. What's what's up with this week? We had the whole action Bronson mall may about I was like what happened this week. Casey, emot- recovering for you in that. And then you pop in wait for those to dismantle we talk some more with Clem. Yeah. They're they're in love their unlawful where sentence. He ever said that really means something we talked through more thrones with Clem motion big popped in fights. Retold that Christy Mack story from back in the day? You still owes him a blowjob the barstool tell all and your little porn group chat. Whereas got inducted now force them the four hundred telling me that you don't know more about born than normal person. Honestly, I know as much as the average guy like everything else people are people are like, I can't believe you said that. And it's like I guarantee that your boyfriend or husband who you think is so fucking perfect is like sitting Vajna scenes like y'all. Yup. Yup. Yup. I agree. I just don't say it all out. They usually want your legacy to be porn guy. 'cause like now because that's why P Y P. I don't know. I'd be all right with it. We all watch porn. All right. That was fun. A lot of fun for me. All right. We're back here on C C K. It's Marty and Casey kick it it. We took an early break because I saw the little rat inside Marty's head start turning when I said carnival, and I I know that look on your face when you have it. It's like you're just going to go off. And so I was like, well, we can close the gate chapter of c c k on a Tuesday. We'll open it up carnival chapter. What's happening? Hi fights. Are you guys done with your interview? Oh shit heard. Some I already heard some things what? But sitting in the fucking. I have my rat to your down. I heard it's pretty something happened. What what did you hear? I wanna hear it from you. I kinda wanted to let Kevin telling you what just happened. I mean, let me tell you what I heard. Let's just put it this way action Bronson not a huge fan of us. Hurry XT off limit question. You don't want told us. It was off limits. It was like. Clearly told Kevin he wanted to throw them through a book and table. Serious. Oh it with serious. It was super uncomfortable. The storm out. Didn't storm out. It was more of like we tried to try to really rescue. The interview went back to talking about his book. And he just he was doing one word answers. He guessing he didn't do answer the intimate. No. I mean you walked in here with the look on your face just fish what? I don't know what to Sheffield nece is out of what happened was like we as we walk in. If you were like coli like guiding questions ask and he's like, oh ask about goes face. And I I listened to Cody when it comes to wrap I don't really follow wrap that closely. So we did and turns out goalie was being sarcastic. And he was at home. Goalie was like what you actually ask. Yeah. I know you're supposed to. Oh shit. Pushed does that the first I've ever happened? You guys. Yeah. We're actually talking about that like afterwards like that's actually pretty wild. It's that's the only time anyone's ever hated us afterwards. But how did the departure go? He shook my hand did not shake Kevin's how so it was Kevin's fault. Br asking the questions I get that. But did he did he just walk out of the building? Yeah. Like you after the interview he did he was still like what the fuck thinking, man. And Kevin like, I'm sorry. I didn't really realize it was the thing. And he's like he's just it's just fucking ridiculous because I was taking shit. I came up here for you guys. All right, man. Apply. You know, what it is? I don't even know what the fuck that is what what why do you freak? Coli here can coli shed some light on why he'd be so mad. Yeah. Let's we'll hit a break. And well, we just took the reason that we just took a break was because so Marty had an almost gay encounter last night. And so we had the pack. We had we had pack them into talk about it. And then I figured we might as well close the gate chapter and go to the carnival. 'cause that's what he wanted to talk about next. Sit now. Yeah, I turn of events. What? Yeah. That's it. So like text like, there's a video spires at all. There's like goes awkward events happening. Give me a breakdown of hold on. So spider is like your rat out there. No. I don't know. I think you just new radio, whatever. And he just he just you know, what I'm offended by the people that usually update me on everything that's going the office didn't text me for shit. Everyone's got an update person. Yeah. I. I have no idea. What's going on? What's happening? Okay, fellas. So we're we're on air right now. Kevin. I don't know. What are we going to break? We come back from break. We're coming back. We took we took an early break. So I we I was out because we were interviewing action Bronson. And things are going swimmingly. And then I wanted to talk about his his beef with ghost face killer. And apparently, they're not allowed to do that in action Bronson's world. So I I was just told other people are trying to work with them. So I I'm not gonna try to not burn the bridge. Totally. But. He was not happy. He was not happy about that. He wanted to slam me through a table. I asked him afterwards. I was like trying to salvage the interview and keep going a little bit. I was like do so many things you ever think about getting involved in the world wrestling, he said, no. But I'd like to slam you throw fucking table. And my only good. That's my only regret is that I was apologetic. Because I had I know he was going to be that sensitive about it. I probably would have leaned into it and been like tell me why you think you you don't have to talk to fuck and fans about your rapid flight. Don't get don't get involved in a very highly publicized public rap. If he was a why would you ask that question? I said, I think fans are interested in it. Very good. I don't know. It's not I I don't I don't even think. Incorrect. Kevin. I it's not like I asked him about a court case or something illegal or very very very personal. I was just like, and actually I did it in a way that I thought was kind of left it available like open to kind of be funny. Brush it off. I didn't just say like tell me about the rap. If I said the question we were asking him because he's a big aliens guy is if you could send one person to be the ambassador for the human race to meet aliens. Who would it be now, I said Marty motion, of course. But that's show. He might take. He actually had answered himself. He's humble on top of everything. And but then I I said to maybe you send goes face killer. And he was like well fuck would I do that? And I was like, I don't know maybe the Elliot's are going to be hostile. I thought it could've just been an easy way for him to maybe say something or even not say something a lot of times when I'm doing interviews. I will ask a question that I know is potentially like touchy, and I just kind of go off the person's response. So if he had just said like nine man, like, I don't talk about that guy would have been all right flank moving, but he he did not agree with that. I think like taing specifically when they don't mess with you. You just don't even wanna talk about him anymore. And you know, what that's fair though, if she was just like man, you know, that's in the past like, we don't talk about anymore. Okay. Cool next question. But I just don't get down with people who feel that they. Cannot be asked certain questions. Just like you don't wanna talk about a fine. But the like he asked me afterwards when the cameras are off. Why would you name me one good reason why we should talk about that? I was like because I think rat fans are very very interested in rapid. And I think they would be interested here. He said as I was saying that he cut me off. And he said, there's no good fucking reason for it. And I was like so you personally think there is a good. I mean, I even follow it up. I said like, you know, a lot of people are intrigued by these things like your thoughts on like push t and Drake. He's like, I don't know. Nothing about that. I said, oh, okay. All right. You like to keep your nose clean, and he said, I keep my nose clean. I keep my nose dirty, and I'd like to slam me through what they will. The wild any of. Who the she goes face goes vase is is from Bhutan clan. And oh they had. I don't even know. What's funny is I don't even know if it was that much of a like beef when Pfizer's in here, it was like, I know who who they are. But why was it such a big deal for him to not answer those questions or not one answer them? Yeah. I don't know the way I've got Kevin's already said he was going to ask these questions anyways. But right before he got off the elevator. He asked me like what I should ask. And every time Kevin asked me any question. I never give him a serious answer. I never in our whole existence. Never ask. I don't ever ask him expecting or thinking, I'm going to get a real. I eventually give you one. But. I at no point was I like oh Coley was being sarcastic. That was a warning shot. Like don't ask about this. I was like oh coli. No, go space things. But I mean, I even learned goes faces boot. Thank Lynn, thirty seconds. Over my head on out. I I mean, I even said that I like, I struggle. I was like, wow, I'm gonna ask about goes face. I I did not think it was like a, you know, even even physical violence is going to be put on the table. Even if it was let's say it's pushed to you and drink or something, right? Let's say by some fucking grace of guy drinking here. You know that was like we're talking about kids secret babies baby mamas porn on SARS family shit. Where it's like, oh, I'm not here to talk about that. This was just like, you know, you sound like one rapper like did you Jack his style this that and the other thing like it was I don't know as far as rap goes. I thought it was pretty pretty tame. And I mean, I don't know again, if I if I if I really thought that I had like push some boundary or ask some question that was wrong. I would I would put my hand up. But or like a stupid question like, I think it's just incredibly valid to want to talk about your rapper and you're involved in in some sort of beef. I think that people wanna hear about that. If you don't wanna talk about fine, but don't act. Like, it's what why would you talk about? Why would you ask that all I know is if big body best comes up here on you onto trouble? Like slippers? You would you dog your mother your father and disguise getting mad about that? I'll yeah. We were hoping to do answer the internet with them afterward. I don't think that was funny Logan popped his head. And he said or doing answer the internet. I said, no, absolutely not. But I do know what the people want to do work here. And I hope he doesn't he doesn't have to like me. But don't, you know, don't right everybody else off at barstool? Most people don't when I will speak to the validity of like in in his raps. He talks about like how he's an athlete and how quick on his feet is no one in the office saw them leave. And he was. The wind thief in the night. You know? What's funny? I was talking to Elliot apparently walked right through us. Didn't even know he's a very noticeable Hume. He also he also afterwards. I was like listen. I'm sorry. I didn't know it was like that. Like minot didn't mean to cross a line, and he turned to my brother and shook his hand, and like very like very prominently like turned turned to fights and shook his hand like keeping his back completely square to me the whole time. And then as he walked out. He just went fucking weirdo. I was like, bro. Anyway, weird right now, you can call me an idiot, and Nassau whatever I don't think it was that we. Story. Make me like him more. Do you in a way? Like, I always I always say like I want. I want to go back to like old school rap. I want people to be nasty and mean and intimidating and fuck it. I like my rap with violence and fighting. Well, I got militia wish wish to throw into the table. I tried to what on. I wish I got to the table. I wish I always said to myself. I've never had like a interview go off the rails. Like that. Like, I've had people who I was getting the vibe like they didn't they didn't enjoy this or or they were a little put off by that question. But I've never had someone be like fuck you, you know. And what was really funny actually, the highlight of all this was trying to continue it like I should have just been like, I do we're done. So so I immediately was like all right. Well, the book and he's like, yeah. Let's talk about the book. And I was like we're you did you find anything throughout the course of writing the book that you were unexpected. And he was just like not as like were you high at all? And he's like, no, I wasn't smoking and fights. It was like, oh, really you weren't smoking. I feel like you're fucking with us right now going. Oh, really, you think fuck it. Just caught on now. Like, that's what I was like, okay. I think the interviews done. I think it was just getting started coming out. I did want. I did want to keep it going. Just to see how awkward it could've got. My only regret is that. I was even apologetic. I I should have just been like. Yeah. I heard goes face rights better books on YouTube. I should've just leaves them over go on that route complete go. I don't think I was winning. I don't think I was winning over bronze Lino anytime soon what I should done. And this was going to be what I thought was going to be the highlight of the interview I wanted to bring my man's I in its auto whose story. No. So so broad Cellino one of his things is if you're on if he's if you're at a concert, if you're a midget as concert you come up on stage. Chuck Shani fuck and throws you and so Zell was at a concert front row. Pick me pick me how to Goza. Yeah. It was down back when I was in Florida. He was on his fuck that's delicious tour and Florida stop. I I had some event at some event going on then immediately immed- sorry. There's a lot. There's a lot going on baker's. I'm trying to think so. So he he writes. I'm sorry. A billion people in the control room. Everyone's talking at the same time. I'm hearing a billion billion things at the same at the same time. Sorry about that. All right. So Brunson came down to Florida on his fuck that's Alicia tour. I went out to the concert. I was sitting front row liberty jumping around like a maniac. Love him to love him to bits. I he has this one thing. Here's this thing. Where if you're if you're a little person than you end up stagey fucking tells you out there. So I was very aware of that did not want any smoke whatsoever. But all my whole friend group wanted to get me on stage kind of deal. So they kept like screaming at him. If they pointed him kind of thing, and I was done dancing, like an idiot. This guy, I'm a one on one sixty five pounds one sixty five pounds, a solid. He comes over to me with one hand, and he bicep curls me onto that stage and video Hurley one sixty is no joke. No. So one hand he had told me the story ahead of time. So I and then now sitting across the table from a man who's threatening to put me through a body to through a table that I know for a fact can curl one hundred five pound midgets. So I was like, okay. I'm sorry. Let's say the thought I was going to bring. Zion. Having tell that story. I feel like he was going to have a grand old time. Not just Tunas. He as soon as I got on stage, you'd want wanted to like Grammy to debt me up kind of thing. I literally squatted I video of it. I can show you clip. I'd actually cut it out because. Baby who didn't want to be picked up. Have you seen? How far you fucking tosses? People calling mean, get the facts six foot six and all that. Six ego. Excellent. Would you wanna be tossed like fifth forty yards across room? Listen, I can't remember the last time another human being got me off the ground. When I picked up fights like when we first moved in here. I think he was like no one. When was the last time you picked up Jonathan. By a human being. Yeah. Like off the ground twenty years, right? How it didn't feel great felt that you're just like, oh, God if coli speed or not on the ground, the vertigo kicks in all sorts of advancing. I feel like there's someone who could do it though, it might be Bronson heights. Not there. But he's got the leverage trail certainly is. Yeah. No Rudy Rudy said, that's is like a oversized kennel ball cattle. Rude. So rude. He is the rude. Boy. So now, it's funny is coming up in twenty minutes. We got Henry Winkler coming in the fawns saw one extreme to another fun. I hope that Henry winklers a nice guy. Ask him about goes. When he's just like what move on do. You have any beef in in this game any fucking like beef. And when like Archie or whoever the fuck, I'm happy days. He just looks like the happiest person ever. So if you can get him to tell you to fuck off, you've really had any maybe I should just, you know, really go into it just have a day be like after finding stunned of Henry Winkler said he's gonna put you through a fuck. I think you have to try this point. Maybe we should just get them to do a soundbite be like. Hey, thanks, great interview meant, we're just we're just gonna have you record a couple of things. Hey, I'm Henry Winkler, Casey radio. Hey, you're up sports. Hey, I'm Henry Winkler. I wanna put you through a fucking famed ball put it through put it right next to the I guess, so I guess we'll at the run the action Bronson interview at some point. So everyone can hear the awkwardness. I I will. I was straight up. Like, I was I was Jesse pink, man. I was just staring at the book. I want. Just like I was just staring at the book in front of me. And I was like I'm so listening to Kevin fucking drown. I'm so mad. I wanted to join on the lifeboat he was like sucks. I had I had I known it was that over. I would have just I wouldn't have even apologized. So what it's been like what you can't even ask. You can't even answer questions about like altercation. You had in your career. But I was like all right. You know, we we probably only I mean, we got a decent amount dumb. But there was a lot left on the table. Right. Yeah. Like, I was I was thinking like fifteen minutes. Wait a minute. Yeah. Like if there was only like five minutes left anyway, it would have been like, oh, well, okay. I guess you can't talk about certain things. But I was like all right. Let me see if there's more that we can get them to say. So my only regret is apologizing. What can you do? I don't. I don't think that that's a off limits. Do you? I kevin. I still don't know what it is. You're what? Came out and Kohli was like why'd you ask about you. Really? Don't think that you should be able to ask that question. It's not like asking the question more like I it. It's felt like a like not like people are going to die type like to pock beef. But it definitely feels like a wasn't. That was like very touchy on his end. But so, you know, you do you think that in general any anybody can just be like you're not allowed to ask me questions about this topic? No. I mean, I think it's more like if if he knows he's going to react that way. Like, maybe say it ahead of time. Like talk about these what's interesting is that usually we have like do not talk about list and every time I complain about those two. I mean, like, I think it's kind of bullshit that people can even do that. Where it's like, I mean, I get it. And I understand. And usually they are things that I'm like, I'm not even I'm not going to bring that up about that. You know, this is like a very interesting topic. I think maybe just says it was out of left field that you kind of just like threw it in there. Maybe took it as a dig. I guess. Oh, I thought. More direct. Maybe he wouldn't have cared. But the fact that you just kinda like threw them in there. Maybe took his about the opposite way where it was like, I wasn't gonna be like now is the ghost face killer portion of the interview for shows kind of just like, hey, here's an opportunity to like say what you want or don't say what you want about it. And I 'cause I don't like to leave it on the table. Like, I'm probably going to ask I'm probably gonna get the interview actor Bronson once in my life. Whether it goes, good or bad. Right. So I like to ask all the questions if and when I do an interview, I think the myself, what is like if I if I could have an honest conversation with someone that's the topic. I would want to hear about I would wanna learn a little something about that. Right. Or at least. And again, if you're going to talk about a fine. But as an interviewer, I feel like I always have to ask the questions for sure as a journalist. He was cool. What do you mean? Like, he was like fucking ridiculous. Pretty cool. I liked that response, and he's made me tense, but the sounded cool. There was a quick minute. Where right thought like it was algebra. He was like, no, that's cool. Like, we're good. I'm good. I'm good. Yeah. I was like all right. You're short answer. But then. And then I realized it was very much like he was being facetious. He was like he's like, I don't care. I don't care. What you keep saying? You don't care. So I'm pretty sure, you know. Just stare at the table checked out. The only the only thing when when he was like really you didn't you weren't smoking. You weren't high that John you'd think like I I wasn't. I wasn't saying that naively I was like fucking weather. Oh, really? I don't think I believe because even that I wanted to know like as it was writing the book, I feel like when you write a book you like you'd think you start off with one thing. I want to get this one thing on my book. And then you like, oh, you know, like some doors open up you write this instead. And if you're smoking weed, you come up with all sorts of different ideas, I actually was interested in to learn about his book. He didn't wanna talk about it. He wanted to slam me through table swin fights came in here to tell us what happened. He looked shocked to his core. A blame me immediately immediately. I that was the last thing I heard before going to give you ask about goes face. I said. About the Knicks after that. So you okay. So there's a second last thing. I heard do you know what I gotta do. Now, we've got to go through it's killing here. What I mean? He might kill. Wouldn't that be funny? If like if both guys hate me, go space killers like. I do I do a regular interview. And then I'm like L. Would you send action Bronson meet aliens bring that up next thing? You know, you get goes through kill featuring action. Bronson on the song. Yeah. I don't know if he might not like say he's gonna he's doing press. How he would even say he's gonna put you through a table. You would just be through the table die right there. But if there is anybody there like if I have to get murdered. I would love to be murdered by the Tang clan. Definitely. That's that's the street cred. Like really any rappers known rapper. Yeah. You know, why? Because raspy fucking interesting, you know, like to talk about it. What if Trump get killed? You ching e murdered. Kevin. I'd be like. Wow. Wow. Like the holiday home on the holiday. Yeah. Jenny that'd be a tough one. I don't know who who is the softest rapper to get murdered by probably chain. No at least from Saint Louis. So. So. Macklemore is buddy the other guy. Ryan. You get alerted by guys never spoken out loud. I can rapper producer. I think he just produced. Okay. Well, then it's back on more if Makomo or murdered you while like his song about like acceptance for all like, Malcolm or religion rap history. When he he thought he was gay because he liked drawing. The song. I thought it was a tweet. No. Is it a song is? It's like when I was six I thought it was gay 'cause I'd like to draw. I don't know, man. Probably seems like a stretch I like to draw too. I was like m- might be sucking Dixon. That's so funny because that song is like was you know, by by that community was not the rap community. But like, it was revered as like so powerful and touching like you were saying that your by midday, if you're fucking drawing seems pretty fucking while in ignorance even put that out there. There's some kids. He was like, wait a minute. Is that shit? Yeah. I am. I stupid child dumb fucking idiot kid. Son of a bitch. Did I just do ironman again? I'm definitely. Makomo like working on perfecting like captain, America's or drying Modeste like super Bank. Okay. Captain America's packs drawn. Dick's you gay. You know, it's probably I'm surprised that this doesn't happen. More often people threaten you physical violence. Yeah. That and just even like, I I don't think we've had any interviews really go go go awry like that. Like most studio everybody was like what apple John came out and made it into something. It wasn't. I it it does sound like you wanted to slam me through a table. So that was something wasn't a I mean, you blame you like you said well that didn't go. Well, you fucking idiot. Yeah. And they are fucking definitely. But not for this. Plenty of examples. I didn't know Kevin was going to ask about it. Anyway. So I you're off goalie inspired a big enough buzz though that Marty is getting like inside or text messages from spider inherently came into this already. No, he already knew I didn't. That's what Mario's go. I heard some shit's going down there. What did you mean you were sitting right here in the us? Los spiders, hitting me up telling me, there's some drama out there. Well, what's interesting is after he did the interview he was supposed to sit down with Dr Dini? So there was there was some sort of business to be talked about. So maybe me and me, and maybe me and action will be co worker soon. Added to the list of people that I co workers at feud with I yeah, I have no one here little line with action Bronson. No here's ever been like, I really hate that. Kevin guy. Can't wait to beat him up. Not not until action right action works here. I would love every time. You've got a line with like your terribles ion take or something? I'm just like I'll get action in here by down on Zion. By the way, I'm down on that. Yeah. I know what you're saying. Okay. Well, he said you said you would take. No, you'd don't might Duke take. I'm all I hate to. Loss of what's my beds? I on take you will like you can't root for him because he's on Duke that was bad take root for Duke because ions on Duke. I was rooting for Zion. When I'm with you can't go through that again. No, sure. Can't especially action though, actually has arguably a bad scientist. Yeah. He's he's like he said that John would not help the Knicks. Listen, flat out most people with like all of their limbs intact could help the name. So that's an outrageous. Like, you know, he's like kind of inbetween positions. Can't you know wears he gonna play. He he can't he's not gonna help the Knicks. And I was like, man. That was accurate under the interview, then well that I hope you fucking weirdo. I was like all right. We're we're over thinking this like let's move on because I'm not going to be able to sit here and just talk about how Zion Williams can't help next there. There are some points. You can make that anyone. And maybe you don't run the interview. Now that I'm finding out the finer details. Speaking of Zion. And college hoops Friday at four o'clock eastern, borstal radio will be live from cowboy Jackson Minneapolis for the final four weekend. You've got Portnoy, you got big cat. So if you are in Minnesota, you can stop by cowboy jacks. You can watch live or you can listen on power eighty five streaming on these Sirius XM app. All connected devices and speakers, they'll be there in Minnesota. Minnesota's like our home away from home at this point the Super Bowl. It was one of the thing. And now this right? Didn't they go back Jackson tournament? Is that what it was? I feel like we've been a cowboy jacks just many times at this point. I hung out with you guys at Kabul jacks before you even worked here. We all knew I was working here. Right. Right. Right now. It wasn't official yet. So they'll be out there. Someone tweeted us today been like straight up asking for like a ride to Minneapolis. There was like did you see that the kid who was like I I didn't think about is time. Can can you give me a hand like getting there? I wanna pull that up because I almost responded to that. But I wasn't going to like get into it. And be like fuck this kid, but I was. I was like you're just begging for help from like, why would we be able to help? Yeah. Repeat? My go fund me. It was just like, hey, can you guys? Get me a flight from Auburn to Minneapolis. I think I thought it was he was saying always the flight sold out of the game sold out. I was like what what I was very confused by what? Yeah. He tweeted at Kevin was a few people tax. I dunno it legitimate. Just like get me to Minneapolis. And you can do to get me into the national championship game. We're talking. I mean, I guess I almost replied being like, I don't even get what the fuck you're asked. I'm not able to find it in my mentions. But that was a that of all the weird bars. That of all the weird studio requests, she was like are you use either asking for tickets or a plane ticket for just no reason other than I wanna go. Look people like to put like fake reasons. Like, oh, my aunt's dying like has nothing to do with the final four brain just be like not I'd like to go. And if you. Help you out here. So I think we can we can put the case radio action Bronson relationship to bet. I think they're gonna have to talk to them again. It sounds like. Yeah. I mean, wouldn't that be funny? Yes. Whatever I mean. I can't wait till actually just listen to the interview. And you guys have we've talked about it for the last thirty probably don't wanna hear. Unfortunately, I don't know. Maybe we can we'll like backed up with guests mutual fund on it'll get there. Eventually wait was that it I'm the only one that had my. What was that? I'd like to slam you to fuck law. Oh. Can you? Can you play the whole like say after that? That was. Oh, jeez. It doesn't need to be like that. Again, that was my only regret was even being I should have been like yet fucking do it. Do it jeeze. Thing really got away from me. Nabet Dag nab it. Oh boy. I want I want like. You love that very key detail. No it didn't. So right now. What the Marty Michelle? All reactor with the warriors. Why do that? Can we say? One more time that was great but play some action play some action Bronson while we while we ride out here that was. That noise. All right. That was because I was also like I said I was going to try to salvage it. I thought hey, this'll be awkward, but we got a few more questions in. And then he said that and I was like. Over Bronson hates me because he can't talk about is that. All right. Let's hit a break tat time here. We'll become back. You want to call them about action Bronson or anything? Oh, no. I gotta go interview Winkler. So hopefully, this interview goes better than the rest. Black is frisbee in the West Indies detangle with much to take. How? Fares. Feeding fast lame. Thanking hang has. Gaza playing Bangor's jumping around he really. I wish I could see him. Did you did you hear about how fights tried to pick him up with arm already? Look at my Instagram story, by the way, this Casey Martin much. I had no idea we were doing Casey and mardi mush part million today. But here we are. But I wanna get your live reaction to this. So go watch my Instagram story, so action Bronson's hot topic around here these days, and he apparently bicep curls on stage at one point and John Berg said he was a small person, which is tough seen actually job in that video and fights couldn't even get him off the ground. I mean, I weigh a hundred eighty six pounds six four. What? 167? All right. I was texting case. But they're playing playing playing an interview real loud in your second. Stay on that long. Damn. That's why once yes, there's no chance action Bronson did it. He's a freak. I don't know how even happened. And so they exactly so fight said he was a small human action. Bronson small human not saw. They tested it out. And it did not go well actually broad since. He's like he's a quick big, man. He's shorts. It's a difference between being short and small. Exactly, he's got a lot of a lot of like shrink too. So he's like Zayas are not he spiders height is what we decided. But like big size. True. That's not a small person. It's it's just not. I'm really what the fuck was saying about buzz Williams before. Now, I'm like very interesting during the commercial break. I saw I said, you're obviously a basketball guy college basketball guy. What did you think about buzz Williams, going am from Virginia Tech? So I don't get. Why do it gives a fuck about textile? Yeah. But you know, who? Does give the boosters, and you know, how much money they're gonna pay true. I saw quote easily north of three million dollars a year a lot of money. That's true. No. Well, that's what he fuck is gonna be all tech saying. Yeah. And every all he went to an king's vill. Oh, coach at an okay. Like kaeding. That's the breaks coming home fine. He's getting paid north of three million dollars a year to coach in the state that he called home at some point. These actually did. So well, Virginia Tech. So actually Virginia Tech was looking at. Willard Seton Hall coach who's really good too. So I don't know. I don't I mean, obviously, I'd go for the money who gives a well. Right. And an has a lot of it like a lot of it why gas money or money. I I don't I don't get. So what do you not get? How you what is wise tech saying oil the state of Texas has a lot of oil. But a lot of the an the university of Texas has a shitload of money too. But like, so this is a staff that's going to blow your mind, you might already know this. But I want to reiterate it to you. I wanna see reaction. So AM renovated Kyle field where they play football couple years ago, and it was four hundred fifty million dollars worth of renovations. And they did all from raising money and donors. None of it came from the state, and none of it came from tuition was all psycho. Whoa. Stars SIS the dumbest thing why would you do that who they have so much money? So they know that's like people like they wanna be part of something just feeling I built this. Like, I'm part team. They have like founders suites inside Kyle field. And so am whole thing is the number twelve and they got twelve founders sweets, and they have like oil paintings and fireplaces and shit, and I think I could be wrong on this. But I think the first year it was like twenty five million dollars. Sweet. She's I don't know what twenty five times twelve is. So that could be wrong. But I'm pretty sure it was. Yeah. I mean, I have no idea. What that number is. I mean, that's like get fucking like the donation checks from my college all the time. Like alumni know, why the fuck when you're also don't have oil and gas money mardi, no money. We have no money, and whatever money, you might have you lose to them. No that's fair. I don't give any money to an M. I will eventually. I think, but I I don't, but whenever they have all these crazy ass boosters at one championships, which I'd like to point out spending. All this money. Does not mean they're gonna win anything like they're paying JIMBO Fisher seventy five million dollars coach football. Guess what? He still coaching the same division is Nick Sabin. Sorry. Let's just blooms. To say his name, it will create a little bit of buzz like people you did that good. No, absolutely. Did that I'm saying like Syria shit this show? I like this. I like serious. I was shocked. I was gonna talk about how I feel like shit and let you Roshni because I said I was six I was moving. Mike like trying to like show me how you can't breathe the nose and smelt the like. No, I did it. What you do? Bug. Spell the Mike. I was like trying to talk into if you had your headphones on I can't smell anything right now. So it doesn't really matter. So quick theory. Oh, so you know, the. You know, the characters in Times Square like the Mickey Mouse and the hulk and shit that people that run around like mascot, uniforms, two things one. I when I was a kid. My dad was dad was -tective. And he wanted me that like people that would go up to those characters, and if you take a picture of them and the extra money they could like give ticket or wrestle. So I would be wearing like a camera hat when I was kid. Okay. The hats that have just the cameras right in the like. Like the glasses that have a cabinet. I I never did it like they got someone else do it. But that was one of my first jobs, but my theory tonight ever did it. No, I tried. I don't think they picked me like my dad was like would you want? And then it's never used me. A great job those guy. Those people are firstly should never take your mask off I- terrible and second while yesterday. I was doing video that's coming out soon. But it's like I was doing something time squares, and obviously like time square everything crises happening, and I was on the floor taped up. See video you'll see it. But this out of nowhere. This Bassett comes out of nowhere like tries to fight me. And big out. I think he was the temp of I think they have a pimp the characters, but he wasn't in mascot outfit or coffee came out of nowhere that actually would make sense. And let me tell you Minnie mouse. She I was asking for money. She she pulled out a what of cash millions getting paid out there. I don't know how or who the fuck payer that much money to us what or the pimp. Why would the pimp giver money? I don't know. You know, how like pimps work, right? They take them take the money. They why. No, I don't think that they have to keep them happy. I think they just have to take care of them. Right. Well, unfortunately, I'm like my mind is going really dark, and I'm like thinking about like, the deuce have you ever seen that show? So like, I'm thinking like, oh, the prostitutes have sex, and then they have to give the money and the protests like take. We're just talking about the fictional characters and time schools, but okay, that's fair. But I don't think that their pimp is giving the money. Why would they give money? This guy was very territorial. And like he was very adamant about these people me being in their territory. I'm sure he he's a pimp. There's so much crazy shit coat on time square. What the fuck is. I come out for you. Never know. He could've been a Hobo. I have no idea. Did he look like a Hobo? Yeah. But I would expect a pimp of the fictional characters. Look like a Hobo. Did he smell like a Hobo? I didn't smell like you smell. People smell. Mike's not smell the Mike. I mean. Well, I mean, maybe maybe it looks that way. But I'd like to go on record and say, I don't wanna smell this microphone because you know, who like these are these microphones, by the way are disgusting. I mean, this whole offices discussing but the group of people on a daily basis that sit on this microphone who try to touch him. Yes. So I don't know if I don't know what that guy was doing. But that's another thing. Hobo strength is a real thing. Hobo like actual strength. It's they're fighting for the lives. Like, you could be sure John the world's different yet. But times ten 'cause fighting for your life with Hobo strength. That's really something. So what I guess what would they need to do on a daily basis with their strength that keeps them alive? That's when they're sleeping like other hobos coming over trying to take their territory. And so they just HOGAN is crazy. If you really think about I'm sure it is like here's a question for you with hobos and homeless people like, you know, how you see them like like they'll be in a park, and they'll all be Langa gather sometimes. Like do. They just all go there at different times in together. Do they get is it a club? How does that work out every minute of themselves? And so they just happen to find a place that other homeless people are feel little comfortable there that they're like with other other hobos. But I don't know if you were a homeless person, would you wanna be with other people, I would be the best homeless person the world. It out for years ago, and you'd never planned out being a homeless man almost. Almost. No can't say I have told him a big thought about it. I I've not played it out. But I thought if I was a homeless person like what I wanna live under a bridge or not. That's what you think about. I think about it. I've thought about it once you I thought if I was homeless what I wanna live under this bridge. No, I would you gotta be on the move. You can't be one spot some people see all the time to I think it's so easy to eat. Just go to the supermarket. They don't have any money. You eat in the isle. Like, no one's checking the aisles like go to go. Get some Orioles one day eat their deli meat. But you know, they have cameras, but then you still so many supermarkets in New York or wherever you are just fly around Rada. So if you are a homeless person, you would go into a supermarket abo- data deli whatever, and you would go into the aisles and eat a bunch of food, and then just leave just picking up the film, not taking the whole Orioles. And like your opening up opening up a little bit. Leave. And then like the go to WalMart, the close just try and take the tags off. What about the sensors that they have on them, not WalMart? Satisfy honestly, this is gonna maybe a prize you have never bought clothing at WalMart. I haven't like actually bought I've bought like funny close from there. But like there's like what a what a grandma gone away once WalMart for costume. And they don't have tags on it. You just gotta rip it off. That's it. Okay. So they don't have the ink things on them. Those are real. Yes. Ink thing like the little tags that are on clothes. Sometimes there's Inc in it took the fuck I swear to God. What's? Yeah. And if you try to office. Yes. And if you try to rip it off it gets ankle over the clothing. So you can't steal it. Unbelievable. What do you think's inside of it? I mean, some of them are just metal. So you can't walk out of the door. But some of them do have ink in them. Look, I think that you should please get arrested for shoplifting. But but it's like some of them are just metal. So if you walk out of the door with it goes off you've seen that right? Okay. Some of them have Incan in them. So if you try to rip it off, you're gonna ruin the clothing anyways. I would enjoy that enjoy the ink or I like things flying out of things. I don't think that like I hate this word. I don't hate. I hate using it this way. I don't think like skorts out. It is a you say squirt weird. How do I say you drag out the coup squirt? He'll see what you just did school or. I I just drag out because I'm from Texas. I think though, that's excuse. Okay. You know, like what you have. Whenever you go the doctor, and it's health. I n s you are a and c MO. Like when you it was like a common thing. I don't wanna say the word because I don't want to ruin votes. Oh, I n s u r a n c. I can't say like whenever you whenever you start a new job. I can't say it because it will ruin this. You have health. Blink dental. Blink life plan foods, I N S U R A O insurance. Apparently say it really weird shirts. I say insurance. That's two words. You're saying I'm saying. Dr. Threes for anything. No. I know I have problems to Kaya problem. I have a lot. I think I'm deteriorating inside. My just my right side of my body like my right shoulder. What was that? Look. I was unbelievable. I just your whole right side is deteriorating. And you know, my first thought was is like you think half of your lungs are deteriorating. I'm always something. It's always pain, my right leg my right show. My right shoulder hurts all the time. My right side of the brain doesn't think I'm left side just most things work there. So what about like your lungs like you think only you're right side of your lungs are fucked up. I don't know about my lungs. Exactly know what's going on my lungs. I was playing best. Boy, I could not believe it was in big pain. There. Have you worked out a lot recently? No, not move since roughing rowdy. That's probably the problem. Then I don't go. You work your worker out. I don't I don't get that. Why not was do makes me not get fat? I like to look good naked fat. Like what else is do for? You. Nothing makes me feel better. Actually, I am one of those weirdos. Like if I don't. Work out. I'm already kind of mean as it is sometimes like if I'm really thirsty for water. I like thirsty cranky. It's a weird thing. I don't get hanging -sarily most girls get really hanger. I'm just like, whatever. But if I don't work out for long periods of time, I kind of bitchy. Yeah. Really? Feel when guys get naked. I don't really feel like anyone really looks at him. Well, that's just false. I don't think. Because by the time, I take you the close off its duck. Well, I have sex is pitch black really why a room. Do you have lights in there? You've you the lights on sometimes crazy bust. That's not can you talk. You know again. That was diabetic. Wait, wait, like all the time. No, just like every I mean, he's saying you only only time then again, I'm a hopeless romantic the only time the the only time these lights on when I'm when I'm doing it as the day night at most candle a candle what about kennels? Smoother than a motherfucker. I cried last night during sex. No watching this is us. I love it was really hoping you said yes to that. I was really hoping we were about to dive into you cried. No, you know, my sex is just I make jokes. I don't know that first hand. But yes, I listen to you. I have no firsthand knowledge of that. But I take your word for it. Good. It's also the truth though. It's. No. I don't know. Nobody. Yeah. It's there's no cause there's no reason to take sexiest got to be fun. I agree with that point of. Well, I guess the whole point is to procreate, but it's not. I mean, it's definitely not the point of our most people in here. But I think like actually like human like instincts. It is the point to make other humans, but that's not what's happening. Oh, really I have often. Well, wait what you have deja-vu. Just me you talking about legs without life. This wearing these genes only have been on the radio a lot. No throws open. It's got the whole picture. That's weird. It's crazy. What do you think deja vu actually is? I believe that we know what's going on in the future. But we're not allowed to tell ourselves. Sorry. What? I'm sorry. What I don't think. No do know like certain things that are going to happen the future. But just not a lot of herself. It is somewhere in our brain. We know the future. What are we going to work for well because we have to eat? No, no, not work. Work. I mean, like what are we going to do during our day? We already know what's going to happen. Oh, I see what you mean. Yes. Like, why would I if I knew I was going to be here? I would have never done anything else. You know? That's why you can't tell brain won't let Bill tell you. So how much of our brain? Do you think that we use? We actually can access. Oh, thirty percent. I have no idea that answer. I just wanted. I know that like I know ten percent is like what people normally like, oh, we only use ten percent of our brain. But that feels fake know he's the I feel like I feel like the because why how can you do? I don't really understand Asia Ville, but I've had it before too. You're like, oh, I've been here before or I will be here. Again. It's telling you how we were here ready. So you think thirty percent of our brain is used so deja vu is somewhere in the seventy percent. We're not using just like the male thirty percent of a male. We get thirty of the brain. We get thirty percent of the mail. Get a bit over this twos. I I don't think we could over all of our mail Marty. I'm gonna be honest, so many things, and I also think that you you cheat on me and go on other shows. No, okay. I talked too much now. So now, I don't know who is who said what to. Cousins the cousins got pretty territorial with you. And I like to go on record and say that you are my patient for. No, no, I I think that's true. I'm definitely your patient. Yeah. Would you rather? Maybe your therapist or the cousins, oh, definitely cousins to get mad at me on the show anyway. So why because they don't know you're talking about this. But I do I do tell me I have them say dog than rat now. So I love the cousins their incredible. You know, I'm clipping that name only. So you can't do that to me. Now, the one that said, okay say I mean, they don't every time we do like, I can't stop. I don't know what to do it cousin Bush anymore. Nobody knows what to do with you. I know. And I have no idea. I say this every single time you're on radio with me. I have no idea. How we got here. Exactly. Both did sit down and said we have nothing to talk about. Well, I feel like we always do. But we don't necessarily know. And there it is. It's like, you know, your brain knows what we're gonna talk about. But we actually don't see the told me. Yeah. This whole thing of me. Like, I don't whatever's on my head like we'll be in the middle of conversation. I just go to something else. Because that's what's up, man. We completely grazed over the fact that Zaza romantic you, didn't even ask ho. Yes. So you're when your dog, and you're always light a candle. Yes. Well depends night. Yes. You have to like for an order for you to have sex on a sober. I know you wanna talk about mardi. We could we could do this do this in like ten minutes. I'm just saying, I don't I don't think I'm a romantic. I don't doubt that at all do. I can't be with the right person yet to be I don't I don't need to be wooed and wound and would every single time. But yeah, yeah. No. I definitely. Like the best really nice sent how do you feel about? Well, yes. Al- candles are nice. I'd rather good sent in my life than a good view. That's fair. That's fair. You don't like us. We talk about this. I don't mind. I don't get. Why like why pay extra thousand dollars to see them high state-building? Okay. But what about I don't necessarily disagree with that? Because I think that like it just depends on what you want. But if you're like at a nice hotel, by the beach, you understand why people would want to be on the ocean side, not the wrong side or the other side, right? Yes. I do like I if I'm gonna pay Alpay less for the parking lot fair. Because once doesn't matter beaches are going to do anything for me. I also don't like the beach. Why not sand dry, and you just sit to look at it. At least I enjoy looking. Okay. So that's why view would come in handy. But I don't think you could sit on like a balcony remember the beach in two years just because you don't wanna go or because of nothing to do. They're all your suc there for at least four hours, and you'll lugging chairs are hitting your ankle when you love him, and you have your food you got sandwiches. And then you just sit in the sand. We go into the water to with you have no idea what's going on to like an all inclusive resort. No. Do you know what that is? Yeah. You could buy everything. Just pay upfront everything. And then when you're there all food and drink is free, unless you're like, you know, tipping, the waiters and stuff. But you would enjoy that. Right. I would enjoy that. But was the fucking beach. Because normally they're beaches beaches resorts the resorts are on the beaches. Oh, like, if you go to Mexico, and you go to like Cancun, and you go to a nice all inclusive resort. It's on a beach. So then they normally have like three or four swimming pools at like four or five restaurants. They might have a disco Teke. That is. Teke of club. I feel like you do well at a dance club. I'm a good dancer. So you would love inclusive. That's what you need to do is take like a a mush does an enclave resort Cancun. Great room Vogel. National doesn't it like you experience? It all once. And then you fall in love at the beach. And maybe find yourself a nice Latina girl down there. I'm good dancer. I keep thinking about the era. Good dance, or you are dancer on these the right beat. What's the right? Beat for you to be singing the song. I need to sing it sing and dance at the same time. You don't ever run out of breath? No, that's my one town. I have seen dancing at the same time. I don't have money. I don't have much else going on while you're not gonna gambling. No, the Philly's fucking me right now to I'm sorry. What did you think of the baffler last night? Who's also? Yeah, why people freak out people are the only person for should freak out is that pitcher. That's it. So you don't think that nationals fans should they could like, that's that's okay. But like also the nationals GM said if you hit the ball out, far, you could do fuck you. I think you should be able to pinpoint runs and less. You're down by a lot of hate wizar- for doing that. Yeah. Nobody like I've I've gotten the bat flipped off me. And you throw out them next time. It's really what you do see fights saying earlier, he doesn't think pitcher's throwing them anymore bone anymore. No baffled. You're awesome. I mean that was a that was flipping at loan. I loved it. I don't know we talked about this. This is why we may need to to do this more often. We should okay. Well, see with Marty I'm gonna put this segment out because I feel like people need to hear where your brain just took this. I don't know what even talked to. I have no idea by CC kale. Be back tomorrow, maybe Kevin five-day mushroom. No, we'll see Thursday hot. All right. We're back. Our number two here on C C K beautiful sound are less than two weeks away from the return of game. Thrones for the final season, six episodes. Some of them are actual long, but more or less. Keep thinking to say. Yeah. It six only six and then the first ones are an hour. And then the the final four like an hour and a half. But to me, maybe like the number of minutes ends up being six eight episodes to me, it's about how many weeks how many nights of thrones. Do we have? And we're only going to have six nights of thrones left. Isn't it crazy six nights game with was left at our entire lives? It's fucked up we'll have the spin offs and ship. But that's it right now. Six more night's game of thrones ever. I don't like you breaking it down like that. That's sad. It's a sad. File winter's coming. Okay. It's a sad fucking series. Why are they only doing six episodes? That's it on six left to tell. It's I I think they did this sopranos, right? Breaking bad's like, they all the all our favorite shows. They just break up like the last season that usually there's a power struggle between the writers and the networks so like, and usually this happens more with with like ABC CBS NBC, they want as much as they can fucking get, you know, they'll they'll they got a cash cow people are tuning in every week advertisers are coming through the roof like whatever. And the writers are like there's only certain story lots tell it's like breaking bad kind of did a compromise where they did member half seasons almost it was like season five part one and part two. So they were like we'll give you kind of like I said forget about the number of episodes. There's how many how many more times do we have a premier or whatever. So breaking bad was kind of like, we'll give you two more seasons. But they're shorter length, but you can stretch it out. Out over the course of a couple years that sort of thing. So there's always kind of a compromise to it too. I if I was them I would have just done like an extra long final last season would have just been like twelve episodes to me or something like that. But that's the point. And they wanted a whole of their year of hype a whole of their year of merchant, talk and all that shit. Also, I don't know Georgia are Martin. Maybe they were like we gotta give him some more time to like continue to write book, and you to think about things, whatever it may have been or maybe it was just we need more time to film. These these scenes the battle scene everyone's been talking about it's the most like the longest most intense battle that's ever been filmed period, movies or television. So there's a lot of shit going on in the final six episodes in order to cram it all in time. Obviously you hear Clem. He's joined us. Before re real quick before we get to thrones. I was waiting for some levian bell drama. Levian bell tweeted out, what do you think about my my album, flame, Oji or trash can emoji? And Keenan Allen replied on Twitter and said like, I'm keep it. A buck is trash and Levy mbelle. Let me let me get the exact. Tweets up. He was not happy. I love Canaan Allen. Matt Keenan Allen was on gametime and we just like asked him questions joke with them. And we're like, what do you think about the chargers fans because they just like they weren't that. Good. And then he he trashed Marcus Peters two. I'm like, and I was like, yeah. We complete botches interviews guy didn't give a shit. So. That live. So I'm trying to find Coley was just one tell me about I haven't actually seen the tweets about it. This Keenan this is the Allen to you. He said, I gotta keep it banned, bro. This ain't it with the trash Kanamori and then think Le vian bell reply. Yes. So he said if you honestly felt that way you could have texted me. But it seems like even people with check box wanna troll to seek attention for mentions nowadays enjoy this buzz fuzz, it's all positive vibes Keenan now, and then came back over the top quote tweeted and said, I was not trolling my momma, bro. I don't troll. Like, I said, I speak facts, you shouldn't have asked. If you want the truth all love over here. And I think Kohli said there was even another. No, you're telling me, you're bad. And then there was another tweet. Yeah. It should have been your real friends that said it though like. Uh? Great. I said this when we the night we signed him in the ninety dropped his album. I don't love that type of hip hop. But it sounds exactly like every amigo song I've ever heard every future song I've ever heard. So to me. It's a legitimate rap album as far as today's music goes. But key now does not agree. So bell. Bell? If you ask a question that is a crazy thing to do if you put on the internet and really this is good or bad. Like do you like my haircut? You like my outfit. You think? I look good at the very least you're going to get half the people saying they hated and even people who might like, it are gonna tell you. It's trash just to fuck with you on the internet looking for positive reinforcement on Twitter of all places is. Insane. The internet is not here to make you feel. Good about yourself Twitter. Tilt acting. I grew up loving sucks used to like the bills. They suck apart. The chips potato chips. I everything sucked. Everything is the worst. What is there anything that Twitter has ever agreed on ever? Used to be do all say fuck do together. And that's gone now to I don't know what that was about. I like it because I had money on them Clem. I did understand. I understand that they they didn't have a typical Duke roster. I know that's fun to watch Zay on. You hate the name on the front. That's how it goes. No matter who comes through there who recruited if it's pro wherever they signed free, agent wise. You just hate you don't pick and choose your hate let the hate rip but letter through thick and thin through Zion and through Grayson Allen is that should be Haley like creed right there. I think the rock might be undefeated on Twitter in terms of love like, I don't know. How many things are good one? I've never seen anyone really. He's at least the closest like I don't think anyone's out one hundred percent. But I think he's you know, he's got to be like ninety five percent about game of thrones. Thrones is up there. I don't see anybody just completely ripping apart. I know, you know, what we do have people who are like I don't care if you watch game and the people who say they don't like game thrones or the people who live tweet the bachelor every time. It's like, well, I don't don't. Right. I don't tell you. I don't like right, right. I the Duke thing was wildly though. 'cause they to me they were always one of those teams that you know, like the Yankees or the patriots like everyone just hates on them. And then all of a sudden, it's softened a little bit. But that's that's how wild Zaylon is. That's how crazy college basketball has been. That's how good some of the Duke games where people were like, I just wanna see more of these games. Even if it means do winning so tournament. It started off slow, but ended up picking up awesome this weekend. Friday, four o'clock, you can join Barzel radios day Portnoy and big cat. They're gonna be doing a livestream from cowboy Jackson Minneapolis are spot back to Minnesota. I feel if you've done like a million things in Minnesota the past couple years, so they'll be cowboy Jack's final four weekends. So if you're in the area, go check them out, you can watch them live, or of course, listen to empower five on Sirius XM. So that'll be this weekend. Starting Friday four o'clock for the final four. Did anybody have any of these four teams in their final four shut up? Yup. I had I had Michigan state. Michigan state cater. Yeah. To me is. That's also like I never doubt is. Oh, by the way, I didn't put money on it. I don't have an official bracket anywhere. Barstool pool now. So I did I don't bet against Dom in March, but the rest of total fucking disaster. I think even by. Even if you keep up with with college basketball the way I don't anymore Auburn in Texas hacker, just like goes, those are names that come on him who's the other team Auburn, Texas, Tech, Michigan state and even Virginia's? They're not like, I I know they've been good the past few years, but obviously after getting bounced sixteen I just don't think Virginia's like basketball know, I wouldn't watch these two games in any college sport like five minutes. Michigan stay while this Koley's wet dream because he just hates on college so much. So now that he can be like, look we're gonna watch these trash as teams play. It is a pretty final four. I don't I as far as me as far as I'm concerned for like, my I stop college basketball like basically like ten years ago. So if you think of that that type of mindset. It's gotta be Michigan state. Right. And that well, you know, CBS was pissed that Duke loss so mad because like just the casual fan wanting to watch Zion RJ and all those guys nobody cares anymore unless you're about small fan. Is it kind of sick that I was watching the Mets third game of the set of instead of the Kentucky game. And the only reason I turned to Kentucky was when there was like a commercial, and you know, people are like dying on my time line. Like, oh my God. This is killing me this game. Dude. I mean, no, it's perfectly fine to watch the World Series. Tender for the parade will be November fourth Clem will cake served cake and punch and we're looking into some low carb recipes for everyone on the guy. We're going to do it together. We're gonna have I'll tell you who will not be on on the canyon of heroes this year, the New York Yankees who I think they might need to be contracted after losing two three to the damn Baltimore Orioles. The Orioles are gonna lose one hundred and thirty games that Ross. I mean, I'm not I'm not hitting. It's like. How how many do they lose last last year while having Manny Machado for over half the season take that away? Now, they're gonna lose one hundred twenty nine because the Yankees win to this weekend. I really I think time smokes. We did this and he's dead ass. Accurate. George Steinbrenner would fire somebody from opening weekend. You lose to team that bad. Somebody's has rolling. I don't know. But somebody's getting fired. If he lost out on just Bryce Harper. Sweepstakes little not joining the Bryce Harper sweepstakes. And then and then we'll be on a spike right now. If if Baltimore they just do this, we they even the Mets were good. The the Marlins just would always beat us. And the Oriel just have their don't understand baseball at all. That's basically stupid sport. So. Bryce harper. Fucking pretzel wearing my sweatshirt over the weekend. What he wore the quilted hoodie. Really? Yeah. That's eight major star wearing March. Like ordinarily to me, if anybody pushes my merge, I'm like, I'm on you like, I don't care like you took the time Harvey the actual Mets pitcher that were merchant bought it with. Bought it. I don't think I I saw you put out a picture once headwear in the Henry long short. I don't care about that. I never actually saw him wear the gear that he bought. Did you get did you not make commission on the Henry you'd seem like it just didn't make money from the Henrik Lundqvist share? But you. But you still made money on it. Fuck Matt Harvey Bryce Harper the sorting their fucking at his locker doing the press conference during the post game in the great quilted hoodie. I was like I missed that. Jan tasked IM in a blender right now 'cause I shit to me earlier about not seeing the Tom Brady tweet. That's the way I feel right now you didn't see Bryce Harper wearing your merch, it, whatever. I was like, oh, I'm sworn to hate you for life. Not only. Are you not only are you a national? Now, you're Philly. Urine. Team Portnoy buddy went. He is pandering. You said this, right? Yeah. He is pandering like a motherfucker from the fresh prince theme song to the Philly fanatic shirt. He is just like, please. Like meat, please. Like me. It would work. I run to be a complete fucking whore. Fanatic cleats were hot to fanatically. He was he is the king pander, and I would be like you'd buy into it. Get choke me. Daddy. I would daddy. He come on podfather 's. Kid now, this is the thing I saw that. And I was like bullshit, it's April Fool's day. But then I'm like, would you get a fake sonogram? Is that a ultrasound never know which one the baby is and the actual jersey made up and your wife would be non social for Mormon weirdo. Couple that would take. Now, I can't announce that on April Fools. Tom Brady is announcing times Bryce, Harper's announcing babies and watch wants to send a lie. All right Clemens in here. Game of thrones is almost back climates doing the rewatch sixty seven in sixty seven. He has it's incredible. How much you've committed to only watching one episode because he figured out. The math a longtime back said if you start on like February fourth or whatever it was you can watch one episode per day per night and you'll get caught up in time because everyone everyone wants to get caught up with the final season. But it's a pretty daunting task to do that. But Glenn broke down. So all you gotta do is watch one hour per night. He's on his Instagram lives. Every time recapping wearing Burger King crown with his fake sword and cloak got. That crown the day before two, and I my wife's like, oh, you're going to wear that crown in the stream. I was like oh, yes. That's why I did. It was complete. Video Clem like he opens up a desk drawer gets out his Burger King. Out his sword. Like, okay time to Seattle late time to go to work. Daddy. But I gotta I gotta do some sort of rewatch myself because it's been a long time. It's been a pretty serious last season. Yeah. I actually you started it. I started to do that the other day. And I just I the problem is really sitting down and committing to a reward. When in the back of my head. I know that I I've already watched this like the kids start bothering me and shit. It's hard to like really sit down for me and like dig back into it. But you've been doing it for how many nights dollars forty nights. Yeah. I mean, I'm season six episode three. So it's fifty three. I don't know. Right. But yeah. So it's and the thing is like with kids like an hour night. Max that that's why it works for the parents out there. You can do a dozen get caught up and the biggest thing is the subtitles. Are we subtitled people here? Yeah. You gotta your on. A you're on a show here with learned men. Subtitles yet you are on season six episode three for the first time. We'll then then you don't know what's going on. Hi, judy. There's no way you could even know what's going on. If you're not subtitling on game of thrones, you need to subtitle and everything for your life. It's a game changer. It's a game changer. It is I also much better. I think that I use it for Ozark because the audio quality was so bad. I could never understand what they're saying. But everything you're gonna remember names, you're gonna remember everything more. That is the tough thing about game of thrones is like I can say all the storylines and everything but. I'd be like. The arm, and yeah, you'll know the names especially show like that, especially so peaky blinders where you have accents. You need to get game to get subtitles. I'll do everything except sports everything except sports end jeopardy. So if I watched one on the same same sodas you if I watched one every night between now and fourteenth. I'm good your money. Hell, yeah. Come on the Instagram lives tap in. I can put you on the video tap in KFC audio Instagram. Live works one out of every one hundred times. I try it. So I try the dial at one day and crashes stream, and I just couldn't hear anything. I gotta catch back up because I feel like there's just a lot that went on it. It's been what like eighteen months. So why because they think they had to for filming they had to like wait for the weather to be there. Colder now chill like that. So, but you do pick up some things like the Starks you just really learn to just hate the stocks this idiots. I love them love death. But they're just stupid. They just Ned is a fucking moron. He doesn't prepare kids for the cruel world that the world is. Wow. As I think like my kids are probably in the same exact boat. Stark's right now, they don't know what the crow world did see the big happy data all the time. But the other thing is the it doesn't drag as much there's certain storylines like salmon Gilly that we hate or some of the stuff. I mean, you was the worst TV of all time. Yeah. It's the worst time. But like a lot of those are like one episode or to where if you're watching a bench, it's not bad. Whereas if you're waiting a whole week, and then that ten minute period of precious time is wasted on salmon Gilly Tong. When I waited a week. And then I watched like seventeen minutes of aria sweeping the floor. This. I can't imagine. Because I hate that. And I'm benching at right now, I'm watching two or three episodes at night when I'm actually watching it. And I cannot stand her. I can't stand salmon Gillian if I had to wait a whole week. I be terrible. We hated aria. I mean, you don't have to. I know they do they're okay. I'm in the minority. But better. Yes, she I think are good. I just think her storyline really hits a snag in Bravo's. It's like two dated a data reference. Now, it's when he's just going Mitch eat this image like aria struck killing motherfuckers. Sweep sweep sweep sweep it's supposed to be like a long wait for her. And then there's a payoff, but I never really liked liked her even when she when she was run around just reciting all the names, all she's so bad ass. She's going to get through. I remember being like her shots. I would have thought you were a huge. There's so much eight in her heart even see the fellow. Yeah. Fellow hater. Yeah. I don't know what it is. Just just didn't do did you like as you didn't like Santa definitely salsa who likes I'm fucking, man. I'm buying stock. Now, I. A long time. She was she's got worse in the end of season five seasons. Hosta hater in the beginning, free and all that shit. Who do I like like, Jon snow? He's a little corny military mind. Every time he co commend. I was unwell at the end of season five had I not known that. He obviously didn't obviously is back for season eight like I thought he if I didn't know spoilers. I thought he died. Yes. No. Even watching it wasn't that. I don't know. We'll the book people. He dies in the books, and that's how they end the book. So the book people that's when they found out is when we found out, it's really. And you know, what is the craziest thing about the books versus the TV show. The fact that. That in the books. Catlin star comes back as the lady in grey, or whatever that's a huge thing to what she says ambi-. She comes back as a zombie ghost in the books. Really? Yeah. Like fuck like, she's a heavy part? She continues to be a heavy part of the books. The dude with the flaming sword. And all them the brothers Abana. She comes with them. And I don't think you could really bring her back now, it's been so I think it's, but I just couldn't believe that of out of all the things, you know, it seemed like the books and the TV show pretty much. You know are are. Have you read the books now, yada? He was talking about him. Like, he read them. Definitely. I mean, the they're like nine hundred pages, I consider myself already. I consider myself game of thrones and area, but that entails watching YouTube videos of the history of LeicesteR, which is pretty nerdy. And it self but I've seen game with thrones book. That's like a book about the books, which is pretty cool. Like there's like maps, and there's like if you've ever seen. They have a family tree chart of everything. Yeah. It's George Martin's. The biggest loser on the planet. When you see everybody connected. And who's who it's like, I'll why would you make that many families? Why would there I just can't imagine being? And then there'll be another kingdom and another family, and then they'll be another one in another language and the commitment. It took to make well half half a series is unbelievable. This family had incest in it and this family. Georgiana mine is for sure fuck cousin. He has for sure. Because in any as for sure chop somebody's dick off because those are the two things that he loves to do put allegedly in front of staff for comedic license. Kevin just says four. George. Appreciate it, George. I still have hope that I'm going to get George Martin on my program. Well, I don't know if he's your program now that you just said, oh, please. He he would agree with me. He's a jets fan. So. Comedy in giant long about. Oh, wait a minute. This is like being like house, Lancaster, and how starkly doesn't work, bro. I'm a Newark football fan. Baseball fans. Have you ever seen with his hat off you ever take that off? Yeah. Yeah. I don't think there's a lot of hair there. He's not dealing with much thing. What's your prediction here by so we're we're planning on some heavy game game of thrones content. Podcasting. There's so many people in the office that like it. So we're going to try to kind of. Maneuver people in and out of about seven or eight episodes of podcast to to do recaps of the final season. So maybe we'll do one the week before. And then we'll do one the week after in between they'll be recap podcasts that Monday morning after every single episode. And there's so many of us in the office that like it that we're going to try to rotate people in and out and do a little recapping. But where do you think this ends clubs or do? You think we go? I'm not going to nothing any sports. I can I can leave. My one prediction is that the there will be no more throne. The throne will begun. I agree that the throwing will matter. Yeah. I think they say who's gonna end up on the throne is like one of like Vegas props for it or whatever. And I think somebody I won't say who guy that's not really spoiler. I think Dan is going to get rid of the throw thrones gone break the wheel the wheels broken the throwing broken. I I mean, I haven't seen it forever. I think it's almost silly. If anybody other than the white walkers win, and they don't give a fuck about sitting on. Thrown. I will say that's the other thing through this rewatch. You really realize Trent. I think it was the first one I heard this. I think I'm kinda rooting for the night the white walkers being living just the they're the ones who called this all the rooting for. It's when I get mad at like, the Phillies of the it's like, the Mets are the ones that bring you Harding fought them and fought the living people. Yes. It's very similar to Walking Dead in the sense that like the the bad guys really aren't zombies. It's human nature. That's like the real. You know, these guys are just out there walking just walking around. Humans a solid deal of murdering. They just they just kind of consume. They walk. Yeah. They have one thing. They just want people to join the army deal, but the humans they murder, but then they rape. And they pillage and they do all this spikes fillet. It's like, it's a dam disaster. I think that we'll see a final scene will be like like the white walkers like knocking over the throne or like just like I fucking breaking apart thrown like, and they just keep walking. And then that's at the world, a desolate place consumed by ambi-, that's KFC KFC life in. That you use that the gift Ramsey Baltimore. We're talking about Jacob degrom resigning. We ended up being wrong. But the what's the exact quote, like if you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention. I think that that's going to be I think George Martin's going like look back. Like, hey, remember that won't quote now one chapter from Emily Baltin? Like, I told you so 'cause I don't think it has a happy ending. I think George Nabi very very very angry. But does have a happy ending. Yeah. No. I think. On Danny married. No way. I said that the only the only way I'll accept any like happiness with John or Danny is if one turns around and like kills the other. And that's Georgia are Marin said he said, this'll be I think it said like bittersweet or some thing about around that lines and bittersweet for George like, it's gonna be bitter as fuck it's straight up lemons, but. Warhead ship. But I think Danny and John it's going to be like who who do you wanna see go basically won't be that? Right. I mean, there's gotta be some like major heartache in the final season. We're talking about the same series that had the red wedding something horrible is going to. And I don't even know because obviously I have to seasons technically a lot. So I don't even know what that could possibly look like there's no way. It's happy. I I could see like it'd be happy. You think so we'll wrap it up like kinda corny like put about one. It. Would you think it's going to be satisfying until you like I feel like the internet loved the breaking bad ending sopranos was very divisive. Same seinfeld. Do you think most finales are really not well received? I liked breaking bad. Did you guys bring the exception loss? They bombed so hard sopranos over thought it didn't even bombed the finale bomb the whole thing. Yeah. I think breaking bad was kinda regarded as the first time that like they got it. Right. And even that was a little like too neat. It was like all right. He gets away. And this guy dies because he's not that. Great. And he doesn't deserve to really be a hero at the end. But it was like just kids fans what they want. I don't think this show should give the fans what they quote unquote, want the they haven't ever, and they and the the story is so as as fake of a story as it is obviously it seems like so uniquely authentic that it's like. It's a nasty game of power and murder. So let's be nasty ending. I'm hoping that the biggest thing that scares me about that turns of being a happy ending is that I think Georgia are Martin is the dude that really makes the fucked up decisions that really like and these are. Hey, this is how it wraps A M B and say, but then you know, that's going to twist you, and he's not in charge of that. I do. Dr Martin would you even I wouldn't finish the books. I don't think he's going to unless he just hates the way that they finish it so much that he wants to write a different then how fucked up is that where it's like well them, which what is the ending leg. If he writes, something totally different. It's like is. It was. But if he hated it enough. I mean, if you want it to be happy. I don't think they control that much. I feel like to be I feel like George R Martin told them who wins. Yeah. Right. Okay. So they can't be like, no, actually, we're going to give it to. I mean, I guess they it. But I don't think they're going to are. They George Martin gets to decide this. Yes. I absolutely now whether the writer's room like he beyond the books in still. Yeah. This is what I I don't think he's gonna finish them. I I understand what you're saying not doing it. But I think he he thinks he's going to he's gone. I think it's like it's passed him by like he's like he's now part of a TV show. He's probably ultra-wealthy. He's blogging. He's like he likes talking about football more than he likes talking about the. I bet you fucking hate. This bet you like dude, I started this like a zillion years ago. I've written like a zillion pages. I just don't do when did he start? It was in the nineties. Probably. Yeah. Right. Imagine a blog that you wrote, you know, ten years ago just gets picked up, and it just makes you super-duper famous. So you're not gonna want to all the. Oh, yeah. I'm good. I'm just make money. And I mean, I don't even I keep talking about how I want a nineteen ninety one ninety. We're talking like thirty fucking years old now I mean. Oh, well, he started writing in ninety one. It got published in ninety six but yeah. As far as east concern in working on that since nineteen Ninety-one off storyboards. I'm always like doing more story where am I hard match doing nine nine hundred page books. And you're like what is he like eighty years old like much your body hurts your thirties right now? Humidity shorthorn partner feels every day, dude. He was born in nineteen forty eight seventy years old. He's. That shit that game has passed him by does he does he have other books, and you leave? So like everyone like, Dan Brown. Pop because adventure Kodner went back and read his other shit. This guy's just got like some shitty books. Also, hasn't it? How much do you think he's worth hundred million? I'll say forty five sixty five celebrity network. I don't know what that is the most accurate site on the internet of I see it. And I'm like sold to me a million not bad. I bet you betcha. We continues to amass some money, but I that's low. That's low. Do you think he might change the ending once he knew BTV Shelby? Like, let me do this this way. Instead like he had one of your mind you have to be influenced by the idea. Like now, this is a TV show. It just doesn't it's not human nature to just like stick to your guns. When you know that you might disappoint massive amounts of TV. I mean, the amount of people you're gonna get watching the amount of people get reading the numbers probably astronomically higher. You know, he couldn't imagine you think that this would happen. And I don't know how much do you think the other question is did he kinda give it to them day one? Or you know, you think you might have changed a long way back. Oh, by the way, this is what happens to this character. Well, I remember them saying loss there like we knew the ending from the beginning. Did you because then you really? Right. I mean, I feel like maybe you have an idea of like, you know, the mail like hero was gonna win it or something like that. But I like Jesse was supposed to die. Right and. Yeah. And they were like now people are going to be killed Jesse. Yes. Different characters. How how well the actors portraying the maybe this guy makes it after all, you know, like I could see that happening. Well, yeah, I mean loss was famous for they were gonna kill off Jack in the first episode, and they were like I tested like so well with the audience we kept it. So like episode episode basis, let alone like a whole series basis. I feel like you you have to be influenced by the idea of people changing. But I Clem Amaury for you. There's like five reasons that could be. I mean, you lost porzingus which actually in the long run. Maybe end the dodge a bullet. You'll also Dell and you know, thrones only be six long you're in the weeds right now. Little son of a bitch day. You didn't you didn't get your Bud Light busters. I mean, we're gonna win the World Series. So that's good. But, you know, come like may twenty fifth or whatever it is that they after like, what's what's that day going to look like for Clem that is the hammer. That's just sitting there at that end of it all and I actually then the free agency when Durant sign here and then. Now. What what if oh, okay. What would you trade very dissatisfying ending of game of thrones? Somehow, what's your what's your least favorite ending here? To guarantees I on to the next guest like like, you're on joy or some. So you're on or just like the worst like stunning imagine just they botch. It so bad somehow that the world was like this wasn't even good in like a in like, oh, wow. Georgia Martin fucked with a sort of way, like it's just like a bad they botched it. But I guarantee I on the next. Oh, I'm selling out everybody for the next right now. I nothing else. I like the giants used to be like my saving grace. The giants are just worse than anybody at any. What they've they've switched bodies with the Browns and the Browns got Odell out of this trait somehow, and then the Mets are the Mets like I by June. I'm gonna probably be ready to like stop watching baseball. So I I need the Knicks to somehow long grip it, right? Yeah. Exactly. What about this? What about knows I on? But let's say they extend ally. Manning. No, that's actually, I think that's good and interest tanking Trevor Lawrence on the brain. What about if there was just like more seasons of game of thrones? Or what? One of these spin offs. These prequels were awesome. And you basically get to do game of thrones over again, but you get nausea. There's no Zion. I'm going online. I have nothing also professional decision here. It's like forbidden. I have nothing to blog right now said, and it's my life is just. Madness. I just yell at different owners. It's like right now, I'm yelling at James Dolan. And then in a couple of months and beyond the wilpon. And then be yelling at the Maritz. Come you know, it's that that's all my life is here. Now, it's terrible. I did say we talked about this after the the week of Odell and what else happened, but presents whatever it was that you woke up everybody with the red wedding. I was like this is this is a bad you're so dark and so upset with your own fandom that you wanted millions of people to watch the red wedding. When they will. I hope everyone did. And I hope it spoiled it for them. And I hope it ruin their. I I I was at the point where I was like, I think they should ban trades from sports. That's just not be allowed. You a player signs a contract with the team Brutus family and go across the country because my team just like out of the blue traded two of my favorite players of all time in like a six week period. Well, it's not gonna go. I was I on either. Yeah. It's not maybe I asked Hollywood he thinks going to happen. And it was he's just coli if he's being real or just mean or real mean, but he. Just people like it's going to rant kyri and Ziona Lincoln bienial. There's no shot. I don't think it's going to be any real let alone all three. But you show me a photo shop of someone wearing an extra won't even it again. So it's like the only way I could keep being a fan as you show me the Photoshop actually visualize it to have the the George r Martin ending here. The Knicks will get we'll get on hill. Like fall on his knee like all three pounds come down on his knee wrong, and he'll be like out forever. RJ Barrett becomes the next. So doubt, no doubt about it goes because if you've been paying attention the story does not have a good ending. Let's break. That's clem. Follow him on Twitter Valmon Instagram at the Clem report. Check him out on his nightly sixty seven sixty seven game of thrones rewatch live streams, I g live where he recaps them in his little crown quite the scene. Shout out to number one of the power rankings right now siennas locked AJ's birthday is Saturday. There's. For birthday a kid is a fucking night. I said, we're we're whispering. The b word with him, boss. We might have drafted a bus.

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Jacob Collier, House of the Dragon

The Paste Podcast

50:20 min | 1 year ago

Jacob Collier, House of the Dragon

"This is the paste Ask You aw Gee saying uh so you never now Oh ooh uh Jackson and that was the incomparable J. Collier performing with a six P span and the pay studio New York prequels and here to talk about the house of dragons and much more as pay TV editor Allison all down this week so but before we get to what is moving forward what just got the axe off exiting star wars which was you know sort of to put a cap on game for shortening that season so much whatever's that they were moving on right they they were ready for star so people had sort of said the writing was on the wall sense that debacle that they were not going you you didn't want to see Princess Laya burning down her her home morals thinks offensive obviously sort of turned on them and I even said at the time that I thought that Disney quietly might kind was we couldn't focus fully on creating a whole new star wars world when we also have all these our worst films bring people on and then firing them at some point during the process as the j.j Abrams Gareth Edwards was credited with rogue one but really in the Third Act Tony go we decided to quit yeah so if you get hired on a star wars project and that was your dream just that why isn't being off had appeared at the Austin Film Festival and there was someone live tweeting the show and and not necessarily in a way of like mistakes were made and and we understand that it was much more like I just oh man it's been it's been interesting they are some kind but yeah so the the second piece of big news was that the Prequel the stardust which is a really great underrated movie She enjoyed our was that really a story we wanted to. Yeah this is more the the mythology that sort of you'd seen in flashbacks what this whole show was about a little orange watts Naomi Watts and also you know again like our own struggled with as far as just having a super white cast so you know the also said no other pilots are moving forward and then a couple of hours later we get the HBO Mess One and yet they announced another people would be oh plus as on icon again Georgia Martin is a Co writing that with Ryan Condo who's done rampage sure Also Miguel Patch Nick who is a longtime game of thrones director He the early years of the target area and rain about three hundred years before game of thrones takes place which is male writer show runner Director Star that got scrapped now we've got okay again so it's like production is interesting but the story much more so Anna just explore this world you know we are getting one moving forward Oregon has written so far I loved even the Little Novello Lord of the the book that Martin wrote has called Fire and blood and that is what I mean that is the story whereas game of thrones really kind of depleted as much fantasy airs which is interesting which it did and and it introduces elements. I don't think that that needs to remember when that first season came out the you've just underestimated the the desire for that from I think that the sex position stuff let's see that might not have been interested in it and otherwise but having said that check again but Bulgarian the dread was supposed to be like a mile long according game of thrones claimed was true in the so these there it's going to be really intense and and probably pretty media as the overlord and this kind of poll of what Hbo Might Want to be doing has a apple plus is just about to come out Disney plus this does land to net flex here there's and one going all the way back from the forties on so I mean looney tunes and all these classic shows and all these services going to cater to their own Ip so sort of you know Netflix is not can be left with a big and we'll see if that matters to people are not originals have been hit or missed so among people in TV journalism sort of like how is this going to change how we cover things okay well thank you so much for stopping in we will we will do our best to keep up with Youtube series of amazing split-screen Vo covers of songs like Stevie wonder's isn't she lovely arrangements and he has a new album out this year Jesse volume to he and his band stop uh-huh so congratulations to you because Liam released strategy after the song but soundcheck assign a grade we can't and ooh Eh uh no and seeing home who's always uh-huh Wow Do you think you menace on so good I really appreciate out there for the first time there's so many interesting things to talk about on Jesse volume two in about they consider to be musical instruments and getting them on the album that's a really good question so I guess just to are there from different silos different spaces so jesse volume one is orchestral brought three is negative space craziness hip hop kind of insanity I was brought up in a household filled with musicians but not eligible pillage suspend great cups and undiscovered and so I would record with this sounds and I don't know about you but I like listening to music and so it was always a kind of fascination and continues to be actually did I think that the application second considered a recording and put it on put on an album but dude it sounds so well the way that you have done it on Doti Doti you did one of these not too long talk a little bit about who you've collaborated with because undiscovered musicians that fascinate me really I'm who's music I I from English is apps starting to get someone who's like a a folk fiddler from Becker Chris steely rumors Sangatte who's sort of master of Oakland's from Mali is absolutely killing musician is street music from Morocco and it's and came over to the rollout who for my concert with the BBC problems and it was his first time in the UK thank you man we're stoked that's part of your miraculous adventure is happening wchs but now got sick singers winkler to me and it's just such a privilege and the second one you're doing off of Jesse volume or what is what's coming up next this one is a song as she with a I'm really excited I'm in too they Hello You Aubrey's uh-huh back uh-huh uh-huh the the Aw mm-hmm uh-huh ah aw sentence about it earlier but I would like to know I bet ninety nine percent of people who are watching and I'm only recently becoming acquainted with playing for about two three months I guess and this logical because I've been playing the for longer I love a challenge and this is a challenge absolutely insane it's a cross between slap this is the first time you've played that one is that true I've ever problem with base in it and well man it sounds great RPG thank you a chance to talk about the environment that we're in the tapes on the walls I don't know if you've looked

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Episode 56: Princess Tutu

No Story Is Sacred

44:11 min | 1 year ago

Episode 56: Princess Tutu

"Took I everybody. Welcome to no stories sacred if you never listened before fifty four siblings who grew up talking about the art of storytelling. Now that we're adults we're still talking about it in writing you to join the conversation. I'm pippen in time. Just a duck. I'm out and I'm sorry I seem to have come down with the case of the evils That damn plotting tons disease and I'm Brendan and while the writer may be dead. He can still be a Dick and and cat unfortunately got kidnapped by Ravens. It's really very much like her. Sounds on brand also dark today. We're talking about the two thousand. Two anime Princess Tutu so sport is bound. If you want specific content warnings things we may talk about tech show notes annot story sacred dot com though fair warning. We will probably talk about abuse abusive relationships and dance fights in D. Fights Free Kathleen fight died in a freak crow pinup slim's so for those of you who've never seen Princess Tutu. The summary according to Google is literally just Princess Tutu searches for the pieces of her beloved beloved art. That's it twenty six episodes. That's all she. It's the least wrong summary according according to Google Ish only for the first half true. No technically she searching for authoring The second half took doesn't find them all until the it's just in the second half more crap happens gets distracted for no bed just the bishop. Yep So let's delve into like first of all why we decided to this series in particular as you guys know. It is now November. which is Nanno Ramo Alps later? Higher books are coming right now. It's not fair enough. This is why cat actually didn't come. She didn't want to smoking figures. The Ravens wrote Ravens and their ruse is see. That's the thing you know. Paul was on to something the writing desk the Raven. And that's even but anyway aside from the major thing you get like when you first watched the show is like a Lotta dancing ballet that kind of stuff you no good for artistic choices but it plays majorly into. This story is just like a Meta story going on because you literally have an author of some prior story as a antagonist really right. He's a writer of the current story. While all of so gets complicated. We'll get to it so yeah is pretty much a a great animate about Writing and storytelling all hidden in the magical veneer of a magical girl anime. Yeah and fairytales and all that Jay Jay and dancing yeah everytime I look at joss Meyer who is the author of this story that all the characters are in. I remember the thing mom would say. We should speaking the writers about many things being kind to your characters. Isn't one of them true. I forgot that she said that. Yeah though she takes though dodgeball takes it to an extreme I could see some authors having a similar mindset. Like you can't tell me that like Georgia Martin goes ends like ooh. How can I play with these characters today and the series also does that thing where you're writing some as characters get a mind of their goddamn own here? Excuse you you are my puppets abets to deal with as well the lake. But what if I listen and also what if you also if the name DROSS Meyer. Her has include human The story also uses ballet very Yeah it draws fire being the name of the uncle in in Swan Lake. who does something with the toy soldier? I believe may come in give the gift. Yeah my point. Is He's a character. It's one lake and a lot of lake. Music plays throughout the series. It's true allow ballet motifs in general general. I won't play ball. And Cody Shit. What the fuck? That's not what I expected to playing over the romantic need yes and and all the characters where combinations of tights and Tutus good times all right so this anime yeah we should probably ask buffet. What happens and I guess we've been kind of just talking about like Meta story and stuff like that so Alex wrote in Our our notes. This story writers not to be trusted. True which fair. Yeah and then for act one. He wrote duck meets boy boys prince death becomes girl girl girl becomes princess. Princess Prints regain heart. Other people are involved to us of that with me. Act So yes. Yeah well let-let's delve into that before answering on. Yeah so the first half of the series does follow kind of your standard standard magical girl formula where it's like every single episode. There is a piece of heart which is basically just an capsulated emotion. One of the prince character who shattered his heart in order to seal the Raven. Like you do so I got my problem. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah yeah well. Well we don't talk about the rat King L.. Not even more so in each of the episodes in the first half you have like the prince's feeling of loneliness is being held onto somebody in town. Princess Tutu comes in dances with them. And that piece of the Princes Heart in this case loneliness goes back to the original goes back to the prince and throughout all of this the princes whose names Mutahi Mutahi his best friend sort of in quotes is trying to stop Princess Tutu because he believes that the printer getting his heart is is now. What's best for him? The we we should probably explain that The character that the Princess Tutu most of our time as your average everyday it girl who suck up. La is actually also a duck. She is in reality. You know her. True self is a duck quack quack and Added and if you use something like she turns into a duck duck one is happy cloud ooh dumped click. Yes so all she wants to do is dance with your Utah. Ed Return this chatter pieces of his heart because not having your heart in town having emotions is sad and she loves him FAM- which is unfortunate because she also happens to have a curse where if she ever tells him she'll turn it into away speck of light and apparently in the narrative of the story the story of the Prince and Princess to to the night and the other princess exists. Mutoko is the prince from that story out of the book and in that story she princess to exist for like two lines or she does say I love you Energy does just disappear into Light and everyone thought about Elsa sweeper institute her classroom not that minor character and richest. Tutu's all like well someone's got fucking do it but yeah so there's also commute breast friend. Whose name was funkier? He's the night he is an asshole for the first part series he gets better he gets better but it was bad. It goes from asshole to just kind of Dick baby steps but he kind of pushes neo around and Boston around around and it is controlling and abuse. Yes yes he does get better when he realizes that you know it actually isn't and and does best interest to keep his emotions from him because he thought he actually did thought that that was what was best for him. Well 'cause even while not having a heart Mutoko kept on doing stuff like heroically sacrificing himself for somebody else like it was practically daily occurrence. Yeah you had a bad habit of running into burning buildings to save a bird. Yup because as the prince he couldn't stand by other innocent suffer not one thing he remembered from being a prince so funkier here he over adjusted GSA and then there's mutants girlfriend roo. Oh who's also aware that he doesn't have a heart team well. He says he loves me on fine with it as good for me. Hey and it turns out. She has a dark secret she raven starter Dunton on she. He is princess grade he the Goff Princess Hashtag better princess would voters for the Turns on Beautiful Gobi Evil. Now that's right here says that when the script excuse me while I period teleport And basically one thing needs to another fakir and duck served served insides while cray stash through sort of means and for Evil Paul. She- dips the Shard of love into Ravens blood and it corrupts it and so it goes back into Mutoko. It corrupts APPS him. He goes evil for a little bit tries to steal the hearts of young girls like you to sacrifice to the Raven and then ru realize career he or whatever the fuck she is a realizes that actually he doesn't like any of this at all and finally she was in fact a kidnapped by the Ravens. So she's even his his daughter to know she just doesn't have a family while palm. Fuck your free license. That he's a ship for night but he's an okay writer. Well not gest okay writer because it turns out in this universe if your a writer with a capital w you can right stuff that turns out to become real. He's got these magic hands hand issues. My A had wants to write interesting plot. No I we find out that this power may or may not have killed his parents when he was young just adding to his own dark. Dark Badboy backstory Ext.. Thanks angst and throw this. Princess Tutu continues to institutue awhile. mutoko turns into a Raven Monster. It again like you do series gets wild. It's weird. It's a second act of into the woods. I mean yeah anyway big climactic thing happens. The town's starts getting destroyed. Princess Tutu has to lose is her form because the last piece of art. It's dependent that allows you to transform into princess due to the princess returned to normal ru is endanger a the duck as an extra duck with the help of Fucker who's writing. The story brings back to the land. Saving the town In the prince goes off with ru who he has that's chosen assets princess. Meanwhile the original author Brussel. Meyer is quite annoyed. Because he wanted a tragedy damn it and then the care for wounded had the mind their own any writer can relate to this. My characters are far too plucky. What happened down there ice ice and I WANNA point out before I forget another weird writing metaphor that happens to this is on occasion when dad does writing measures to talks about plot and stuff And who talk about the borders around a story so so not the Barnes and notable Ha. Wow you know what you get to explain that Joe to dad not the behind it but why you set it. Why would you you heard something? That's dead for ten years. You own anyway. The borders around the story and he'll use example of like a model house or something. The story is there you can see it. It might have hidden things inside of it but it also also has a a a border on the the thing rests on. We'll have a border or a chess. Game has the border around the board whatever and the story exists inside those borders by not outside of it and the characters don't realize the border it's there but they also never been eh leave it. This is their world. This is all that exists of their world and the idea of crossing over just does not occur and it's a well to an on thing in the in the in the that like people who enter the town are like Kinda somewhat puzzled that they don't quite remember that you her friends and family were in for more fake animals but no they must have always been was always elephant. I think so yes. You must have been. It'd be weird. Otherwise Pippen Yeah people show up in the town which is completely walled off from the doors. Don't open for reasons of plot and you have anything anything outside. The Borders has mentioned quite a and then they move back into within the border. And I'm like Oh that's I thought those really covered because yes stories. He's have borders They're just not usually acknowledged like act sometimes. Border is as big as you know you galaxy xc be writing Sifi. Yeah and at the end of the to the border does get destroyed that I that the very very beyond the prince goes off with ruin their happily ever after in the story. But Fuck your promised to be Bhai Duck side for the rest of forever so that ask shot of them is fuck hear writing on a doctoral fishing and duck as ducks swimming in the lake. Mary with application with the implication. I think that he's going to try to write eight a story that brings her back. Of course he is because it's also established in the finale. That like there. There is a challenge that they're trying to overcome in that like the forces says of trying to make this story. A tragedy are far too great in the Ravens. GonNa win or the Prince got stabbed himself in the heart but FACH years trying to help duck not not die and then also Mutoko as well and I think they've basically established it was like a one line establishment thing but They find that while he can't write against the story happening with the Prince and the Raven turns out he can write about duck and what he's reading about with duck is about hope. Yeah I draw smaller. It's very upset. He's cope what the fuck I'm not trying to do. Feel Good Shit uh-huh. I like grim dark like well. That's John Mara doing sewer punk hope Punk motherfucker fucker. So that I feel is princess. Sign out the reader. kind of like they were talking. Kota like At a panel or one of the panels like mentioned how solar punk keeps gang removed from the punk genre nobody okay even though Sandal pump is still there which is just again what the fuck is Sandal. Peng Roman stories sandals. Soon we'll be working on the sun. Doodoo which is what. I assume solar pumpkins solar punk is this basically the opposite of grim dark pep. Yeah I thought that was hoped puck. It's another another way of saying it. Basically just brighten optimistic future. Yeah that's what I'm all about and punked doc because it goes against something yeah and I go on record and saying grimmer Hercus a VAL Adjara. It's just in the past few years. It got overused. I have enough. Just living in Arkham dark reality. I'm okay with reading some solar punk. Now now let me like Prince A to believe in hope in the world yeah and thing is like it's not like you can't have like grossing grim. I'm an tag but like you can have like bad guys and stuff like that. It's just yeah. Imagine if like you're writing Scifi story and your main character is an anime protagonist will win through hope you guys hoop and friendship. What kind of limit? Power Heart the best breath power motherfucker. And that's when an entire army of elephants crosses over the hillside and that's when you see that's where the heart rings been used. ooh Good Times says Oh. I think we've talked at length about a princess. Tutu there again. There's not much to the story itself it's more talking about the the Meta story I feel is the more interesting thing. Let's briefly to a foray into transformative of works because K.. tells them regatta bring up the MVP Derivative work that's my land. transformative derivative work. Either way works. Yeah Okay because PIP. I believe we were introduced to Princess Tutu through that it possible. Listen back in the battle. Two thousand two. I don't remember it was a wild time I'd come back from Oda Khan and be like. Hey guys AH is check out this list of am vis and vis a animate music videos for you crazy kids at home who might not know those are anymore. How do I do a thousand yard stare? The right back how we watch it on. This new website called the youtube it. was you too early. Two thousands bet two thousand to maybe even a little bit beforehand. But that's when it started getting popular when we look at when the particularly in view was it's uploaded. It was fourteen years ago. Don't dwell on it pep. Don't dwell on it dwell on everything you did was founded in two thousand five and what and what year is is it now. Twenty nine hundred. Nineteen point is Princess Tutu came out in two thousand two. So it wasn't uploaded to Youtube. It was like on. Am v DOT ORG or something. Yeah originally Youtube took over. I guess we can get back to the appoint and Princess Tutu has a bit of a pace because it's a decided pace but the transformer into like a very fast paced. Condensed the story in a Whitney taught you to understand what that's about. Well the major things like some of the details are completely lost like suddenly Fakhir going from. I'm night to writer felt I felt was a little. I mean doesn't every rider fancy themselves a night bird on writers. You know what you did did they did. They did every ready saw like I could pick up a sword. How hard can it be and it gets to the point of Things like fan works and all that. That's that's why I don't really mind. Fan Works at all like I think. Some writers get a little bit Prickly about it but like end of the day if it increases racist fan engagement. Ua hold me now Hala mid new users use that video if a great though. Hey what's Princess Tutu. It's an aesthetic. The odor is set. Great gravity falls video counting stars Great sort of like. Hey what gravity falls. It's an ascetic all. It's it's amazing. The things that will get people to watch a show. I read a creek fanfest and then I was like oh I should watch the show entity. Regret it if I did not. I watched it like five times. Patch conditioner in love. You guys relationship and no one's dead Hazza. Excelsior or even a change. It's so great. They fight for one episode road in danger of too many kisses one time they kissing three times in one scene like I do know gay characters could do that on TV. That's the point. We're talking about Princess Tutu yet characters and princess too I would say conduct has like a crush on everybody true. And that's how the duck and their prints the same they love. Everybody and the cat wants to marry everybody does have take a fascination with with Ru. I do a little bit ship Duck Andrew. I mean. Who doesn't that's pretty great and I? It does continue the trend. A duck is a disaster bisexual he is and I think it's time to delve into story. Change land depth. So so okay I off making queer more people of Color Duh. That's your blanket. responser everything now's weakness get past that are reserve. My right to emphasize took to go back to that well because they'll never run dry but in this particular case you mentioned the cat. Yep I hate Nicholson say so much. The cat is their ballet instructor. Incidentally for others who might be curious sure because sense I think he might be the first answer more feist animal character. We see in the series. I believe so aside from duck herself live from duck yourself and as the series goes on you get more and more anthropomorphized animals. The thing about Mr Teacher Mr the teacher. Whatever you're is you're sometimes? He dispenses great advice that make the characters realize things that he didn't mean for them to realize because he has no clue what's going on there is he has no clear that one of those magical girl but he is Alba sast with marriage and specifically marrying one of his students agents and I don't know if there's a reason for it of its harkening back some bit of folklore the I don't know if Japan has weird the ideas about cats I don't know are the way it's creepy. A doesn't add anything she would. Stop the quickest explanation and I can think of is like the Tom Cat stereotype. I guess but even then I feel like it has a different connotation than what they were showing through everything. Talk about Mr Catkins Day. You'll harsh teachers sometimes. Good good advice. Whatever but his goto threat pursuits misbehave for girls students? Misbehaving should should not be you will have to marry me. It's creepy and not in a yellow grim dark wet. Yeah I agree with that. I mean if it felt like they are trying to go for a running joke and eventually just like Yeah Mary Him. I think it's I common magical girl anime saying I'll just it's just weird just weird. Get rid of that weird thing yeah. It's a simple change but gosh darn it. It's the one I desperately want. I mean could have been something as simple as you know having to do a balanced exercise or something as punishment and it sucks or something. I don't know what would you have him do instead of the marrying. Marie maybe you have to go outside the wall booth like like this An the wild unknowns and then any kid that comes back is slightly different kids. Just don't come back like you never actually throw. It's it's nobody actually gets four Mariam's nobody actually gets thrown outside the wall so it's kind of like an existential threat. Yeah I can three you outside the wall. Aw a cat I can do that. Yeah motherfucker maybe this is an extra little bit for the cat there. At some point you see the as like like a rapier on the wall that's like He was pushing boots. Oh Man I love that. It wouldn't even need to be directly called out it's just It's it's there on the wall I'm an eagle-eyed viewer. I feel validated with my obsessions. He's already Choose he traded in his boots for ballet elise slippers. Yea I wonder how hard it would be for Kathy. Go on point I mean there. Aren't they already the on point. I mean not really. I don't think they're toenail the clause would allow for that PIP to be fair. Our toenails don't really allow that. But we do it any way to Mandela's fucked updates. It kind of is speaking of Al.. I got my thing my thing. I'm GONNA fucking space. Stay stay stay just you know what changes so space. No one can hear you ballet because I wanna see Maura fairytale stuff in a science fiction setting and add to the plot but really take anything away. I mean you can really enforce the border bed by having the plays as being a space station and with the terrarium unlike environments and or no snow globe like one of the ones that you wind up under the ballet dancer inside. Yeah and you know it's always fun to transform the tights and to space outfits and all that right yeah so instead of Leotards. Spacesuits Madman a I mean in the kind of like a voltron. Spacesuits like House I like the warm tight form fitting like Leotard as I guess my question to you is this Is Ballet still a thing for for this treatment or is it just taking it. Putting in Space Ballard still as you mentioned with the sponsors that that they're they're announcing a dual corporate purpose. Okay Su- what happens. Look I'm just trying to think of what what else would like what. What can ripples from taking it and putting a new web stations to mother are added risks? 'CAUSE like it clarity of Ravens could you know make make this space station you know kind of break and then you're all in space. See you say a calamity of Ravens and I just think meteorites bombarding the station in but you know even better fair enough and also hey awesome Iras zero auto writer. Automatic writing machine becomes a station. Ai Yep Yep houses by the say if if he hadn't I would've put that forward draw so Myers show Dan donut thrown at me. Okay Any thoughts doin. Tell me you hate it. I'm not here for negatively man pound man just trying to come up with a joke Mars Lake or something. That's not not a good joke. A joke space mistakes. Wow I watch. SNL Okay so is it it's your tablet. You Okay so I'M GONNA go out into left field here and maybe annoy you to a little bit. How so my approach here is What if Netflix came to me and said hey brandon will hand you a bag of money if you can find a way to adapt this series on our channel. I mean he takes money well. It's a big bag of money. A remember I always supported. You always did. Yep this former line so the thing I would want to avoid is outright calling it. A Princess Tutu because Lord knows that just never works Trying to do like an American adaptation nation of stuff like that so I might take a controversial spin here and change it to a the non ballet's setting 'cause I wanNA keep is the storytelling aspect like I want to dig into that hard and not really focus on like the ballet school or the dancing with me or anything like that. I just like the characters in a story doing either darndest to fight against the author's original intense. And I think that's something that you could probably drawn pretty well and wouldn't even need to be done John in like a fantasy setting it could be done modern day and you know like you still have like Mutoko and rue being these characters that were in a former story that had happened. You could have been a myth or fable or something. That's a story that could have been told in universe in modern day but like they're or just here but there is people and as we go through the story. We find out about their backstory. We find out you know that writing stuff for certain people there actually has like extra power and then there's like the plot that kicks off from there or goes into high gear from there. That's my thinking said. No now I do like when Princess Tutu asked people to dance with her. 'cause I feel like she would dance with me and she won't judge me for how bad identity I am. She just told me that I did really good in that. My emotions are good and healthy And I should off myself well. That's fair yeah I mean we can still keep a lot of that aspect. It's just I don't what I like. Step on the originals toes. While I'm at it. Yeah they're ballet dancers already so much going on there. Yeah Geez. That's my my thinking here is basically you do adaptation without having to be an adaptation. Yeah and What do you do on Netflix? John Show gets injured cry. I'd still have my bag of money. So I'd console myself with that that I mean they're holding production for him. So Yeah Yeah. Even though it's early enough that they could have recast if they wanted to. And that's the other thing is that I'd still probably have like you. You know the self sacrificing hero character who has like no memories of his past self and strangely has no emotions either and over the chorus of these ventures he gets to be more and more regular fiber. Yes pep will. We're also GONNA be sponsored by wheaties so Yeah that bag of money. He's gotta come from somewhere piven so I guess any thoughts on that. I think get should be evidently tonight. Action Than Yeah in this case. That's what I'm envisioning well clearly multiracial. I'm not sure how you'RE GONNA handle answerable sized animal's. Oh that's that might be another thing. Sacrifice for the sake of gear you. This is taking some of the base elements of the story and and adapting it to a different medium. Certain point it's how far can you adapt it before become something completely different. I'd have to think about that. I mean we could keep the weirdest have like modern day. And there's these anthropomorphized people around mound. I mean to be fair in the world of the show. It should be weird but because of the story. That's being written around them. They don't think as the people who come come into the towns Way is normal. And then it'd be the actor goes of course it's normal normal and here's the thing The border it's it's the fact that there is no public transit connecting the Borough there in or whatever to the rest of the city at at large. So it's it's like I had super difficult to go Go anywhere else but you know we have all this stuff we need here so yeah yeah like nobody really dwells on the fact that like nobody's been too like coney island at all the right. Oh town is always closed and no one questions how people getting in. Yes yes actually. It could be a town. Yeah throws closed weird where we get in the food we're like The Truman Norman. Show a whatever you try to leave. Now we're we're hold up for some reason and that's the thing. Authors are a force in this story. That's that's the takeaway e so any other thoughts so I think that means time play gain. Hey I think it is pippen. I think it's game time Dente Dente so I have an idea guys. Let's the the evil overlord was here because that is the game in which we just add in a random trope into the story and the yeah the the the story could always use more. Oh yeah always forever so I can kick us off if you want shore. So I'm going got into my My wheelhouse here and just going back to TV tropes doing a random trope and the first one that comes up is sibling rivalry uh-huh which cared or suddenly has a sibling I almost imagine a cure would have a sibling. I mean he had a sister sure like person a person he's acid sister and then she got rave is true. What if you had a sibling? Aw Ryu had a sibling was it turned out that for cure in ru who were her siblings. I could see it I could see it. They both have dark hair they both clearly care about about Utah in their own weird ways. Yeah Okay Yeah So. If we want to incorporate that we have episode in which we discovered that they are long lost siblings things and then they Vie for ducks affections. What not necessarily necessarilly but we can have them bicker about who can do hired jumps and twirl things? Hey all right. So that's that's my sibling. Rivalry Kinda like. That's a little bit boring. Well pip save me. I also went to TV. tropes and the first thing I got was self parody which. I'm not sure if I can make it work. It's kind of now now. I mean in a traditional medical anime I can see like of soda after the last Arab under where they watched the play. That's busy their story. Yeah I can see something like that happening lobby fun not necessarily in this show True Chur true though the fact that draws him I didn't have have a bit in the show where he takes her outside the fourth wall. Basically fall into into his pocket universe where he's in watching everything and there are a lot of gears because why not surprised that of all the marina thanks. He had that he didn't have them look like her are in her friends and they just be playing with them. Yeah which isn't quite what this thing is talking about. I think but also fuck you. I do what I want fair enough. And Yeah I can totally see an author playing around with artificial versions of the characters that he has a ha- your my puppet. If you're being good characters you'd be doing this right now. Yeah I could see. I could see it all out this time pippen but the next time it's your badge. How dare you she fired me? I quit no Anyway that's me out so when I went to tropes and I got the underworld Ooh what the hell man you get the best one yup and kind of see it a I can kind of see the fuck. You're planning an orpheus. Oh yeah sorry. It's a sad Ed's song for listeners. Before we started recording we were actually talking about the story of Orpheus. End To the fan song way down below me anyways. I can kind of see a talk here. Because now that he's a writer he's going to be extra as hell and what's the most interesting you can do to get at your door friend. Her body back. Go to the underworld remember. That time. He turned into trey by the way that happened in the series. We forgot to mention it. It was weird. I mean it's just for that. He got better. Most writers turned into trees at at some point in their career. If you haven't yet you've got that look forward to a turns into a boat Yeah totally going to the I mean to show. He did follow her into the lake. who despair until it's already happened when he I didn't fuck that up like the got gamut orpheus. You had one job you had one one fucking job just one. Little Peek doesn't hurt. TV orpheus of orpheus. He had it stuck island the end to be fair. The boundaries of help weren't clearly defined find emails light at the end of the tone and figured here's fine that his hubris end up paying proper attention to directions. Now you want to go to the end of the tunnel. If you take a time before that you're GONNA get lost. This service on the sideline going. You can't get that. The the old main farmers down there in the underworld I mean. where else would they not? That different from Maine I in the underworld the underworld haunted. He's all I had your back. Soon Moon taunted anyway all of us believe so. Let's have a bonus one bonus per cat cat gets forced me. I got no waterproofing in the future. which is hilarious? Various 'cause she needs water Girl and the bonus when I clicked on was blazing Inferno Hellfire sauce. So we've got a range there. I think mine. We're the hopes L. in his version. Cause a lot of waters begun rounded that concrete hijacks hijinks ensue. Someone makes a water slide and breaks this ship them. This turns into a boat you broke the ship broke the bloody ship could that all I believe so cool. How did you have something to add a fantastic? Yeah that was a that. was Princess Tutu. y'All it's a fun little time if you don't feel like watching the entire series mean twenty six episodes so at pretty big time commitment right but if you don't feel like doing that you can watch the am be that will Lincoln the show notes just because we like that is a good aim v. I coming up singing the praises till the day. You die so al.. Can you take us out. 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Game of Thrones, S8E6 | The Precappables

The Recappables

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Game of Thrones, S8E6 | The Precappables

"Hey, it's Liz Kelly, and welcome to the ringer podcast network. Before you get to the show, make sure you check out the ringer dot com for our extensive NBA playoff coverage leading up to the NBA finals. Also look out for a twenty nineteen NBA draft guide, which now features fifty of Kevin O'Connor scouting reports. The draft guide has a first-round mock draft big board rankings from our draft experts like Jonathan Turks Danny Chow, and much more to come leading up to the draft itself on June twentieth. Once again, check out the ringers twenty nineteen NBA draft guide and Oliver NBA coverage over on the ring dot com. Hello. And welcome to game of thrones pre-capitalist part of the ringer podcast network. This is the podcast very preview. The thrones episode to come and for the final time, we're going to break down, what to expect because this Sunday is the finale season. Eight episode six I'm at cram. And joining me as he Moore's the death of sir c whom just last week. He called the great Queen for west roasts. It truly Makati. I'm being misrepresented here yet again. I said that peace, and sir. See is better than war and anyone else. I just want to specify for everyone, sir. She only set fire to the sept- of Baylor, Danny set fire to the whole city. So she's better in that respect. All right. Let's start with next on game of thrones. I there's some new logistics for season. Eight episodes, six it's going to be eighty minutes long in the same range as the other episodes toward the back half of the season. But this episode is directed by David Benny off in db, Weiss, the to show runners, who have never officially directed the same episode before who basically have no directing experience pre game of thrones. They do have a little bit of experience on this own show. But that's kinda new. Yes. So Benny off them. Weiss have each directed. One episode David paying off directed episode three of season three walk of punishment. That is the episode where deniro's I kinda go sheets with crazy Kraz the unsullied owner freeze. Ms sandy, they do hostilities funeral at riverine Manson, John see the spiral horse carcasses on the face of the first men. But the biggest moment of this episode is Jaime loses his hand so that was Benny off episode. Dby structed episode one and sees him for two. Swords that had the very cool, cold open, where is, is reforge into what would become oath keeper and widows. Wail oberlin's introduced in this episode, and we get the aria and the hound chickens seen that such a classic and kind of get drogue on snarling deniro in her starring the lose control of her dragons, probably one of the better. Premiere episodes to be honest. Yeah, I really liked to sorts. I think walk of punishment. There's the Jamie losing his hand moment, which is the most memorable part, I think that episode is more of just a run of the mill the seasons moving along episode to sorgess one of my favorites. Yes. So that's interesting. I'm not sure if that means anything heading into the finale, but they don't have that much directing experience. But at least their previous efforts haven't been abominations. Sure, yeah. I think it's also notable that both of these episodes were working closely with material that Georgia Martin had written, so this episode which they're both directing, which is new. Do is based on completely new material that they wrote. So that's a whole different animal. And it's very secretive. The preseason Entertainment Weekly feature that we've mentioned a couple times on this podcast. Ready had this line quote for the finale secrecy was ratcheted up to another level. Only crew members wearing a special episode six badge were allowed on set during filming. And some scenes were shot on a closed set. We've also heard rumors that they distributed fake pages for the last episode that they even filmed perhaps things that aren't actually going to appear in this episode just to try and confuse things. So we're still gonna make predictions were still going to talk about what we expect. And there are certainly clues for us to dig into, but it seems like there's a lot of secrecy surrounding this episode specifically, and that kind of makes sense, given that it's the last episode of show. Yeah. I mean I want to go into it not knowing what's going to happen. So I think that I have absolutely no clue and the trailer doesn't give us that much. And it's one of the. Shorter trailers we've seen in season eight just like last week. There's once again, no dialogue and we basically just see a few characters and the reactions, we don't even really see their faces last week on this podcast we were able to analyze correctly, some of what was happening based on, sir. She's fischel expression, you're on spatial expression. We don't even have that this time. We see John and Davos, serving the carnage in king's landing, but kind of obscured by the smoke, we see Tyrian once again, looking concerned, I don't think it's really a surprise that any of these characters survived the destruction because no named character at this point is going to die off screen and then aria looks on at the unsullied under oath rocky. We do. See her face. She looks kind of as a continuation of how she finished last episode disturbed by what's going on. If there's a key moment from this trailer. I think that's it. Yeah, I agree. I think that the way that they placed aria in the middle of the destruction, and the way that they kept the camera on her for so long. It was really interesting to me. We'll talk about Ariella more later but she is just so long been in avatar for death and assassin killer. And it felt like there might have been a little bit of a turn in the last episode, particularly with her conversation with the hound where she turns away from pursuing, sir c and kinda sees whole of this horror. And I wonder if there will be a little bit of a change in her character in the final episode. I do think, though, that Ari hasn't just been an avatar for she's also in large segments of the show been an avatar for the audience like when Ned stark is beheaded. She's the character in the crowd, who's looking on, when we learn about the horrors, going on at Herron hall are stark is the character there through whose eyes we see the spectacle. So aria is the audience character once again, last episode, she's the one running through the streets and seeing all the frightened small folk, I think that is an important point when we talk about. Character changing, she's always sort of embodied that kind of audience, participatory character even this season two. When John denarius arriving king's landing. She's the one in the crowd moving on in the teaser. The next shot is of the doth Rockies celebrating, you know, a great victory for them. And then we get to nearest merging. She's got unsullied flinging her on each side, a sizable number of unsullied, and she's looking out in the city is still burning, and it's a very not that subtle shot near his swearing, the all black, that she wore in the battle, and the unsullied or in their dark colors, as well, and it really feels evil and we don't see her face. We don't see your face. We see the back of her, and we see she's got a lot of braids in her hair looks like she may have gotten her a, you know, another braid added for another victory in the doth Raqi tradition. There was a lot of discussion after episode five about what it meant that we didn't see Danny basically, at all after she made the decision to slow. Utter. The entire city after the bells rang, we see her face harden, and she flies off with drug on and from that point on, we don't see her face. I actually kind of liked that from a symbolic perspective. She was the dragon at that point. That was her emotional state, we didn't need to know anything more, and as the show runners discussed on the inside the episode segment. They really wanted to center, the victims experiences in that moment and not the perpetrators experiences in that moment you made a really good point on the night of too, where you said that deniro's, essentially just became the dragon, right? And I think that was important in the moment. But now that, that moment is over. I'm really curious to see what happens next does Danny think that she has succeeded in her goal. How will she react when people like John snow ask her why she did what she did will she think she needs redemption, or forgiveness, or is she so hardened at this point that she thinks what she did is right? And is perfectly fine for a ruler. In the tradition of west Rosie rulers. We don't have that many more other clues in this trailer. But there are a bunch of big questions to answer. Danny being the first one before the season began. We at the ringer had written series of more than forty pieces in which we identified what we call the loose ends from the series sort of the questions, we wanted the show to wrap up to feel a true sense of finality and closure. Obviously a lot of those haven't been and never will be answered in the show apologies to all the quake fans out there. But they're still some central questions. We think the show. Absolutely definitely one hundred percent needs to answer this week. So in this segment, we wanted to touch on them bit. First question about Danny. Does she die this week? I don't think there's any way that she doesn't. I know that this show is often about subverting expectations. I know that we don't expect a happy ending as Ramsey. So famously told us, but having nearest after she has gone through a full villain turn. She's. Full on villain. Now, rule in the end and win in the end would be too dark even for thrones. That's like voldemort winning. That's like Sar on winning deniro has died in this episode in the vein of subverting expectations. People might think, oh, well, everyone expects to die now. So it would be subverting expectations to make live, but take a step back from the broader narrative of the show, Danny has been built since the first episode of the series is one of the two twin heroes. It's her and John. She was framed in so many heroin, poses and lights, all throughout her conquering of Esso's. She came to western us at the indices in six that was the heroic. Alright the shows moving forward moment, so even if in the moment now we expect any to die from the broader time line of the show, it would be subverting expectations to kill that character at the end. So I think that's destined to happen in the thing, this subverting expectations is asked to serve a narrative point, right? Dany turning into the mad Queen serves appoint her. Living and winning and being a tyrant in the end doesn't the next question that results from this is kind of a spin off, when do we think the nearest is the final episode is eighty minutes. There's a lot to get to. We have to resolve the fallout from episode five we have to figure out who's ruling and what the governmental system, west rush looks like we have to figure out send-offs for all the various characters, we haven't sent off yet. Is there enough time for The Danny stuff to linger throughout most of the episode? I mean I don't think so. I think if I'm putting a bet on when she dies. I think it's right around minute forty right, at the halfway point, maybe even a little bit earlier. I just think that after the destruction someone in her camp will turn on her sooner rather than later, and essentially will assassinate her is my theory and the show just needs a lotta time to answer everything. You're saying wants Danny is dead. The question is now what and there needs to be time to answer that. And this is where I think the rushed pacing of the. In game is kind of disappointing because I probably agree with you, that they're going to end up killing her earlier, but it would be so strange for remember episode three. She helps defeat the army the dead episode four, she's angry at the end of it, but it's not like she's committed any acts of extreme villainy at that point. So it would basically be taking her in the span of one and a half episodes tops all the way over to the dark side, and killing her that seems to quick. So I wonder even with all of those fallout questions still to answer if The Danny parts don't linger until the second half of the episode because I don't think John is going to kill her right away. There have to be conversations had there have to be rationalizations and reckonings. I and I think that would linger, I think given the shot we see her in the trailer, stepping out in front of her unsullied. She might try a ruling for a bit before anything happens, and it would be. Almost more tragic if she ends up sitting the throne, but only momentarily, I think it even though it would make more sense to kill her off early and then leave more time for their civil later. There's a gut feeling that it might end up lasting. That's interesting. I just wonder how they would answer all the questions I do agree with you, though, I feel like especially once we get to a point where we're rewatching the show, the pacing is unbelievably fast. There's a whole re-cut version of this season where something like Tyrian freeing, Jamie last episode which happened, maybe twenty minutes in could be the end of an entire episode. If feels to me like the way that I would naturally cut this story, if I were doing it would be the deniro's would die at the end of one episode. And then you have another episode that deals with the fallout of all I completely agree and having it all happened in one episode is unbelievable. These are like, natural huge cliffhangers to end episodes on and they're just whipping through them. Three at a time in an episode. It's. Really something else. It occurs to me. I off handedly mentioned, if John kills her we're not so sure that John is going to be the one who kills her that leads the next question. What does John do last episode he committed to Danny when various approached him after he arrived on dragon stone, faira said you should take over? She is attorney. Gary, who knows what will happen. And John said. No, she is my Queen, but then the slaughter began, and John was, obviously concerned, he ended up fighting against some of his own troops, because they were carrying out were crimes and he couldn't abide by that. I can't see him still standing by dinners aside at this point. But I'm not sure if that means he's the one who ends up killing her Georgia Martin gave a quote that I've referenced a bunch in my written work this season, that the battle that he finds most interesting is fought in the human heart. John is fighting a battle inside his heart now. And I think that would be the most natural. Conclusion, but we also saw a lot of aria last episode, and there would be something symbolic about aria who killed the night king, then killing Danny allowing her to kill off both ice and fire. That is really symbolic. I, I was convinced that it would be aria immediately after Sunday's episode. But now I'm leaning more toward that. I think John will kill deniro's. He's been actually oddly sidelined the season when you think about it. You didn't have a ton to do in the bow for winter fell. He didn't have a ton to do in this last episode. He spent a lot of time telling deniro's how she's is Queen, and he loves her, and he doesn't want the thrown, but he hasn't done a hell of a lot else. And so, I feel like him being the one to finally break off from her, and kill her makes no sense to me. I also have spent time thinking about how even though John is not a member of the night's watch anymore. He did one swear. A vow to protect the realms of men and he has mostly lived up to that even. After leaving the night's watch, right? He's the one who leads the fight against the night, king, and the white walkers, and he does it to protect the many of the very people that Dinares just burned. So I think that he will return to those vows in some way, the separate symbolically, and ultimately be the one that has to kill the heiress for the greater good. Do you think there are any other possibilities like Tyrian could become the Queen slayer after his brother was the king slayer anything like that? Or are John and aria really the two main possibilities, there's always a chance, I think, with Tyrian, I don't think nearest will ever let cheering anywhere near her, again, in fact, I think it's likely that deniro's could even have carrion execute in this episode as we said one or two podcasts ago, because she will find out that he free Jamie, and that is a betrayal. And she said that the next time Tyrian failed her would be the last time he fails her so. I just don't know who else will have the opportunity has to be somebody who can get close to her. It's not like you're going to defeat her in battle. I don't think that there will be a battle this episode. And so that comes down to John as her romantic partner somewhat and, you know, as her kind of key ally, or aria with her faces man is essence skills, and I just see few others getting close enough to do the deed, the last central question. We want to discuss in this segment of the show is what is the story about I've been struggling with this question for weeks. And I think it looms over all the others. We just asked because the questions of who sits the thrown how to John and dinners interact. How does the series end the larger question in my mind is what each of these resolutions will say about this world in this story, we seem headed for really nyah Listrik ending? I wrote about that this week that deniers his turn Jamie's turned from Brian back to sir. See all of the. Pieces from season. Eight have hinted toward a tragic ending or as George Martin has always said his serious was going to end in a bittersweet fashion. That's kind of vague of horse, but we seem headed for a lot more bitter than sweet. And I don't really see a way out of that, if Danny's not going to die into the last episode. And if someone like John is going to be the one who has to do it. There's not really any sweetness there. I'm really unsure where the show is headed, but it has me concerned about what the ultimate message and moral of the story will be because it's been giving lessons all series long and it could end on a pretty somber. Yeah. I think it will ultimately be bittersweet at best. Let's say, maybe even tragic, I mean, I think part of this is that I feel that Benny often ways are less concerned with fee, Matic, consistency and more concerned with big moments in the spectacle, and everything else that drives things that are legitimately very cool about the show. But something like Jamie going back to search. He is totally antithetical to John than turning onto nearest kind of means that the show is a whole, maybe is on one hand, presenting multiple themes, which could be complex nuance and interesting or is just getting muddled fanatically. I agree muddled is the word I was thinking of two. Let's move on to the theory of the week for the section. It's not really a theory. We're going to discuss more of just focusing on one of the questions even more. And that's what happens to the throne. The show is called the game of thrones the credits for season. Eight have ended on a shot of the iron throne in king's landing what happens to it. And I what happens to the center of power physically in west rose. I think there are a couple of options, right? It could stay where it is, if the iron throne somehow survived Danny's assault on king's landing, it could have been destroyed or it could be moved if king's landing, they realize is. Unsalvageable especially if dinner says no longer ruling and it's not a tar Garin in charge. Maybe they move it. I'm not sure which of these options is the favourite. What do you think my favorite is that it's destroyed or otherwise just disposed of in some way, I think, on the conquerors chug, Aryan dynasty is at a complete end at this point. Even if John is to take the crown, I just don't know if the throne really has place so physically. I feel like I, I actually expect more for there to be independent kingdoms, or some kind of council that presides over restaurants, but not really a central monarchy anymore. I have a sneaking suspicion that, that might end up moving the capital city to winter fell. That'd be weird. I would have a lot of problems with that one being that this, the politics of the series have always been first and foremost, king's landing is the capital, not just because a gone landed there. But because it is an. Advantageous geographic city whereas winter fell has no water access. It's not centrally located it's in the north, I think, through it'd be a lot of problems if they moved there, but I kind of have a sneaking suspicion they do because it's not like they're any really remaining characters who consider king's landing home. I mean, that would fit well with my idea presented last episode that science could win the throne. Exactly as the biggest problem, probably with that theory is that I don't think Santa wants anything to do with anything south ever again. Yeah. And I think she is one of the favorites for who sits the throw, and let's run through those candidates as we figure out, not just where the throne will be, but who will be seating, it first choice who you mentioned Asanga who I wouldn't consider the odds on favourite at this point, but is a pretty good choice given that of all the remaining candidates, she has exhibited ruling prowess. She has people who love and support, and respect her. She has an a seat of. Power at this point. What do you think are the chances that she ends up ruling, and what would be the disadvantages? So if there's any single person, I think could end up on the throne at the end of the series, I would pick Santa. I just think that she is the right combination of political know-how and cunning with empathy in actual, caring about people part of the problem is, as we said, she probably does not wanna go south king's landing again. She has talked about how Starks do not fare. Well, when they go south, I really think that she's more concerned with an independent north and protecting her home than anything else. I don't know if she necessarily desires to rule, and then just from a storytelling perspective. I think that if the end result of this season was that sauna is going to sit the throne, even though they have done work to portray her as intelligent and competent this season. I think they would have made her a little more tactful, a little more just likable, a little less antagonistic toward characters like Danny John because. 'cause I feel like if she were to end up on the turn at the end that would be very polarizing for a lot of people, and it would have been easy to make her dialogue this season. Just a little less cold the way that it has been, I think it would bring her arc to a really satisfying conclusion, though, because back in season, one, the difference between aria and our his sister was that Sansa believed in the ideas of lords and ladies she wanted to marry Joffrey. It'd be the Queen, but not the queen's ruled the Queen to supply, Joffrey babies and live in the capital. It would be really cool. If that idea is almost turned on its head where she rejects the notion that she's going to bear anyone else a child, and she's the Queen just for herself. I think that would be a pretty powerful message at the end, also, it would be kinda neat. If aria saves everyone by killing the night king, and maybe killing Danny, and then that allow us onset to take over there'd be a good sisterly bond there. So I think if anyone's likely to sit the throne sciences, a pretty good choice. What about? John. Yeah. I mean he's the obvious choice. Right. He is literally the heir to the iron throne. The rightful heir, people are gravitated toward him as they've shown in this season, people like him. They want him to lead want him to rule. I don't know though, I think, you know, and he says he doesn't want it. I think he really doesn't want, you know, they've presented in the show to this point, the idea that a king who doesn't want to be king might actually be the best leader of all them, but I think that Jon just won't accept the crown in any way. What do you think the counterpoint to that, of course, is that John didn't wanna be lurched commander than I watch? And then when people told him he should be. He said, okay. I'll be alerts commander, then he didn't wanna be king in the north. And after people told him to become northeast at okay, I'll be king. So he has a history of doing that sort of thing on the other hand, if this series ends with John taking over first of all, it would support the idea of a hereditary genetic. Dynasty, which I think it's steering away from and second. I just can't imagine them. Successfully pivoting from his love dying in this episode to John taking the throne Georgia Martin has talked about how one of the things that interested him in writing this series in the first place. Was that in Lord of the rings the spoilers for Lord of the rings? But it ends and then era, Gordon becomes king and George Martin wonders. Okay. But just because he's a good man. That doesn't mean he's a good. King what we're as tax policies cetera, etc. If the series ends like that, that's putting the realm in a really precarious position because John would probably not be in the right emotional state to rule. And I don't see them ending that way. There's also a, a lot of evidence at this point that even though people are drawn to John. He might not actually be a good leader or king. He does get stabbed by his night's watch brothers. He you know is basically on the losing side of multiple battles before he's saved the. The end in he's just like Huck very good at reading a room and playing politics or really doing any of that stuff. I don't know that John would be good at king. I agree. Next someone we can probably agree, wouldn't make a good ruler. But it's still candidate is denarius, who we've been talking about as doomed, and she is not dead, yet, she is probably going to assert, her Queen ship at the beginning of this episode. Is there a chance? She ends up as the ruler at the end of the series Tyrian once told deniro in season seven that talking about certainty. Fear is also see has. It's all my father had saw Joffrey had it makes her power, brittle because everyone beneath them wants to see them dead. And yet deniro's in the last episode claimed how she intends rule which was let it be fear. I think at this point in heiresses power is very very brittle. And I do not think the show will end on the note of her ruling with that power, although it occurs to me that may. Dinner succeeded in. She wanted to break the wheel and she so totally ruined her own chance at the throne, and destroyed king's landing that maybe the iron throne will move locations, and it will change the entire governmental system of west coast. So good job Danny it worked out in the end. Next up is Tyrian. Is there any chance that Tyrian who basically led king's landing when he was the hand of the king, who basically led marine when Danny was off in the doth rocky? See is there a chance he assumes control one of the things. But Tyrian is that the west Rosie realm doesn't know any of that stuff about him, they think that he is the little monster dwarf, who murdered Joffrey murdered Taiwian, and then ran off to help the Queen who ended up burning king's landing, I think he'd face significant obstacles to becoming king. And he also as we've discussed before has been taken a lot of losses. Recently hasn't had a. Smart strategic move, and a while, I think, Tyrians arc is perhaps the most perplexing to me. Like I have an idea of where Danny might end up by Evan idea of where John might end up, I have an idea of where sunset and RAM I'd end up I have no idea about Tyrian because he's kind of been plotting along for a while, affirming his belief in Darris, but not actually believing in it, obviously last episode looks like the final straw for him. But I don't know where that leaves him because unlike John, he's not really able to do anything about that physically, if I had to guess I think that it will be dearest, executes Tyrian in this episode, and he becomes kind of the final tragic figure of deniro, PSS mad Queen turn. And then in turn, John or our air somebody else ends up killing deniro's, and then we deal with the fallout. Next up. Kendari gandhari. I'm szeswith Gandhari, taking the throne gingery actually has targeted heritage. So. House breath, Ian was founded by a person who is thought to be a target sayin bastard. But the house has more. Recent tar gain heritage than that Robert Barath, Ian grandmother, was rail. Tar Aaron herself, the youngest daughter of a gone, the fifth, and so that makes Ganji related to deniro and John. He is deniro says second cousin once removed he is John's third cousin and together. Those three are the only three people with provable target Syrian blood. The dragon has three heads. So whether you follow the Iraqi in line that Robert established at the end of his rebellion or heiresses target Syrian line or really a on the conquers charge, Aaron line if deniro's dies and John refuses the throne, the next air is gantry, all lines lead back to him. So could he take the throne? I think it's possible. That would be remarkable Gandhari. I guess I was wrong before. When I said, nobody left really as a connection to king's landing Kendrick us, that's true. You go even though he for some reason said his bastard name was rivers and not waters, he's from king's landing, and what a cell phone that would be from Damaris, if she ends up legitimising him, and that allows him to end up taking the throne after I'm not convinced just because I'm not sure if those lines really matter at this point, yet to be clear. I don't think that this is happening, but it's fun to, to talk about even dinner doesn't really have control of the iron throne right now because of her bloodline. She has control of the throne because she has armies in a dragon. And that's where this kind of runs into some funny business, sir. C didn't have any claim on the throne, but she had power, and she took it, and that's what happens in this world. So I don't think they're going to end up climbing back up a few rungs. The family tree to figure that out for Gandhari but it'd be a pretty funny result. Right. Kendrick grew up in flea bottom. He never knew his father Robert he is no armies is no leadership experience. He's probably not even literate. So the idea that he would take the throne is an extremely tough sell. But the seeds of it are there, the last contender will get to is brand stark who was the preseason betting favorite. If you look that Vegas odds a lot of that I think was of the belief that he was connected to the night, king that ship has sailed by brand stark is still an option to lead. And I think back to episode four where we got all that discussion about the best ruler is someone who doesn't want to rule in that episode brand specifically tells Tyrian I don't want to rule winter fell. That's not who I am anymore. So let's go to that scenario. You mentioned Danny dies. John abdicates. They're searching for ruler. Deteriora-. If he's not dead. Remember back to that conversation think, hey, I know a guy and he knows everything. So I don't we pick him man. I believe he's still the betting favourite too. And I just I hate this scenario so much feels like it really hasn't been set up in this season, in any of the past seasons is the best ruler. Someone who doesn't want the throne or someone who literally doesn't want anything barely knows who he is it. It just doesn't make any sense to me. But given the Vegas odds. Gosh, it it feels like it could happen. And I'm very scared about it. The thing about brand taking control to isn't just that it would feel like it lacked foreshadowing. I have no idea what message that would send because they've actively avoided brench storyline for large parts of the show. They cut him out of an entire season. They haven't explained a lot of how magic works. I don't know if he even has a role to play in the finale. So it'd be a pretty large swing to go from that to hey brand. You're in charge. He has no. Leadership abilities. Either people barely wanna talk to him. He can barely hold a conversation because he's so stuck in the past, he's supposed to preside over all of west Rosen rule. I just cannot imagine how they could make this work and make it feel satisfying. It is so bizarre to me that this seems to be the prevailing theory, the betting favourite and everything else. I just ate it eight this idea. So if none of those options come through there is the field. I don't know if there any individuals we haven't mentioned yet, who you think have a chance, but then there's also some sort of democratic vote, there are precedents for this in west coast, even though the actual iron throne has never really worked democratically. The night's watch has a democratic vote. That's how John became Lord commander. The iron islands has the kings moot tradition, which basically allows different contenders to make campaign promises and then curry favour recruit voters. And that's a show of strength. Western says also had on occasion, great councils, where there's a dispute over does this tar Garin take the throne, or does this targeting, and take the throne, and they've assembled high Lord, sit aside, who they want to lead them? That's less democratic because not everyone gets vote. It's sort of feudalistic, but they still get to choose their king. Do you think any of these options see more likely than a specific individual taking the throne, I think of version of the grand council, but instead of them, choosing king them, choosing to rule or preside over west roast themselves as a group makes sense to me. I don't think that west rose is not going to have democracy guys yet you have to go through a lot of different steps before he can get people voting. Most of these peasants can't even read. So I think that you could have something like Sanga represents the north and Yaar represents the iron islands, and, you know, Tyrian in the Westerlund Sam, in the reach Gary in the store. Moans and so on and have all of these different regions represented at grand council that then works together to keep peace and facilitate different governmental matters that were once dealt with centrally. But now as a system that's almost kind of like a Republic, I can't believe when you were mentioning the various representatives, you forgot about the new prince of Dohrn that absolutely. Yeah. The unnamed Dornoch prints, I've got them all written out right here. I think that you could have the far north with no wall anymore represented by torment. You could have Edward totally, if wherever he is in the river lands could have Robin Aaron in the Vale Tyrian from the westerns, really the one. I struggle with is who takes over the crown Lynn's, perhaps, John. He's kind of the only person I have there, there's no one else with a good connection there that isn't already taken up somewhere else. But it is interesting to me that so many of these regions seem to have one person that represents them. And I think that, that would then represent a breaking of the wheel as we've talked about. Way that really makes sense. Davos could take the Kremlin's he hasn't lived in king's landing for years, but that's where he hails from. He was the son of a crab or become the equivalent of a Senator, that would be a pretty good rise for him. I think the independent kingdoms idea, probably makes the most sense. I wish like we talked about earlier, if they were to come to that conclusion, it wouldn't happen right at the end because I'm kind of curious to see how that works. And I can't imagine they'll have too much time to dive into the inner workings of that new system yet, but I could see someone like Tyrian coming up with this system. Maybe Sam finds something about that in his books and that seems a pretty reasonable solution to me to this, overarching question. Who wins the game of thrones? It could be a bunch of people at once and that, and I didn't mention brand among all those people, but I could see brand having a big role on council like this as the person who sees everything. And maybe that's where those odds come from, as we said, upset, six spin, so secret. Give perhaps something got out there about brand playing a major role in the endgame. The post game of thrones west coast, but not as king, perhaps, as like the person who presides over the council, the intern presides over west dravis, let's move onto the next segment, which is key to the game where we each pack specific person, or people who will be crucial this next episode and three reasons why Riley who is your key player. So we've already talked about him quite a bit. But it's Jon snow. You may have heard that he's actually the air to the iron throne, all of west rose will probably here soon, because I think that various got a lot of those letters away in the last episode and so de Niro will have to deal with an entire realm that knows that John is the rightful heir whether that even matters anymore and John will also have to deal with it. How will he act if everybody knows what is family role is supposed to be we've talked about how he will deal with deniro's and. Whether he will be able to stand by her as she committed such an atrocity or whether he will remember that his duty is to the realm. He is, you know, it truly empathetic person who cares about everyone. And whether he will turn on her or not turn on her and finally John story as we said, hasn't progressed, a whole lot this season. He wrote a dragon kind didn't have a big impact on him dragging died real fast. And I think that this will be the episode where he will play a central role, his decision regarding Harris regarding the realm. The throne west rose, all of it will be at the heart of this episode I'm going little meadow with my pet, but I'm allowed to do that. It's our podcast and it's the last pre capitals. So here we go. My key players are David. Benny off in db Weiss. I because as we mentioned there, directing, they said in the Entertainment Weekly feature that they did it this way because they didn't trust anyone else to execute their specific vision for the finale and that's understandable. Given the stakes here. But it's also a lot of pressure onto relatively unfamiliar directors compared to like migos passionate. Who's the battle guy and directed episodes? Three and five this season, number two is I think a lot of the problems that have come since they ran out of George Martin's material stem from there knowing the end point, but not quite how to get there. They had to backfill essentially, and that's why some of the plot choices don't make as much sense sort of seem to be lacking direction. But if the stumbles came from the journey, we're at the end now so theoretically, that's the part, they're better prepared to show on screen. That's the part. They say they have discussed with Martin. We don't know exactly how well one ending will translate to the other if the show will directly, equal, the books or not. And they've said they're not going to tell us so as not to spoil the books, but I'm really curious to see if now that they have firmer ground to stand on their able to stick the landing a little bit better than they have the. Far leading up to it. And the third reason is in that Entertainment Weekly piece Benny off had a quote that I've been thinking about a lot ever since I went back and reread it, which is a good story. Isn't a good story. If you have a bad ending, now there's a lot more discussion to be had about how Sunday might change the legacy of the show. But I think it does start there this season hasn't been all disappointment. I don't think like episode was great. I really liked elements of episode four and episode five, but this is the big one that can't mess it up. I'm not saying like if this episode is bad, and that has to change how we think about the winds of winter and hard home in the red wedding. But it will have an impact in the directors. No, it will I'm really curious what they have in store knowing how large the stakes are not just in the world of the show. But in the world surrounding the show, too. Yeah, I'm with you. I feel like this is just crucial to see those stick the landing or not. Or at least it'll be fascinating to see what it was that they. Felt the need to work up to in the way they did. And finally, will make some predictions are last predictions of the season, the last predictions of the series will offer one that we think will happen and one that we want to happen amid all the other things we want to see happen, this episode rally. What do you think is going to happen? So we've kind of already hit this quad deal. But I think that there is no thrown at the end west rose returns to independent kingdoms with or without council. But some sort of system where there is much more time between the different regions, and that will mean that Danny succeeded in breaking the wheel, she did it just not remotely in the way that she thought she would Zach. What do you think will happen? I'm going to go very narrowly for the end of the show. I'm fascinated by how series finale is fade to black, essentially what they choose to end on what their last line is, and that's kind of how they want to be remembered. So I have two ideas for shots that could mysterious maybe they both will appear. But one of them is John walking off into the snow with ghost. His departure in episode. Four felt really disappointing the excuses that the directors made about, oh this. I wouldn't really work. We felt it was more powerful this way, fall so flat that I wonder if there's some misdirection they're like, actually they didn't film a heartfelt goodbye. Because John Wilsey ghost again and his conversation with torment about belonging. In the north, I think could pay off in this episode. John maybe kills in Arras is emotionally. Distraught wants to be done with power advocates thrown and just wanders off with ghost to try and rebuild up north. I think that's the end for his Arca would predict. And then the second one is something we've talked about before, which is Sam becoming the person who writes a game of thrones the story. So I think the last shot of the series would be Sam pulling out some fresh, parchment dip in his quilt into some ink and scrawling either the words, a game of thrones or the words, a song of ice and fire and starting to write credits roll, and that would be the final shot series. I love both of those so much. I think it'll be a song of ice and fire, not a game of thrones that he writes, but John Sam book ending the series, be perfect. Do you think there's any chances like some time jump, and it's old Sam writing down his memories and old, same as George Martin. Well, George said that he turned down a cameo in this season that could just be misdirection. I thought that it could end that way. I would love if it did. But I feel like it actually might be hard because that becomes to meta in terms of his inability to finish a song of ice and fire that would be sad, right? It'd be it'd be more sad than it would be triumphant. So I think that they can't do it that way, it has to be current Sam doing it. What do you want to happen? Decides perhaps George Martin appearing. I want aria to get us as fighting ending aria at this point is my favorite character her the way that she has been written on the show this season has been for me by far the highlight of the season. I feel like she returned to the old REO. We knew and loved and not the no one assassin that wasn't as interesting for the last couple of seasons. And so I want her to get the conclusion that will be satisfying for her when she was roaming. The, the smoking Ashley streets of king's landing last episode. She looked like she was filled with purpose as we noted. And I wonder if she decides that she want wanna be a killer anymore. She's wanting to be an assassin as she turned away from that when talking with the hound will she actually want to help people wish you want to build, not destroy? I think that there are a lot of possibilities here. I really don't know what her endgame is. It's less clear than almost anyone else. She wants told lady crane in season six. Six that was the actress that she was supposed to kill that season that she wondered what is west of west coast, that's led to a lot of speculation that maybe aria sales west. Maybe she goes exploring or maybe she doesn't go west, but she goes east back to Bravo's just anywhere other than west rose. You know, she told the hound when they were coming south to king king's landing that she didn't expect to ever return to winter fell, and maybe she never does more than anyone else. Her place doesn't seem like it's in west roasts, or in winter foul, and could be elsewhere. I just really have no idea what she'll do not going to go be injuries lady. She's not going to go hang out with her sister. I don't know. I just hope it satisfying, but she's the character. I'm most interested in given that we seem to have no indication, which way her and will go. And that's one of the things that fascinates me in stories is the idea of someone achieving something relatively young and then having the whole rest of their life to look forward to. Area is I think what she's supposed to be eighteen or nineteen at this point, and she killed the night, king literally, the biggest thing she could ever do. And now she has the rest of your life. It's the Princess bride line. I've been in the revenge business for so long. I don't know what to do with my life anymore. And aria of all people really has question to answer what I want to happen is a lot wearing bishops. I think because requires a lot more moving parts. I want an ounce -ment about the winds of winter and it's release state I am. Sure, this is not going to happen. Yeah. Good luck with that one. There was a cockamamie theory this week. I believe started by the actor who played barest and sell me claiming that he had heard from someone who had heard from someone that George Martin had actually finished book, six and seven and HBO was making him. Wait until after the show is over to release it. That's not true. George wrote a blog post this week titled idiocy on the internet specific. Weekly to refute such claims by. He's been working on winds of winter for a while. I'm not sure if you're aware, and I think that one might be approaching soon even if it's not going to happen, this summer. I want an update about winds of winter. Because if there's anything that this final season has shown is that the show runners really missed his hand did get a lot of grief for what's happened at the end of the series. And a lot of it is deserved. But they were good at adapting good material, and I want to return to that. Come on George give me an announcement. Please. I do think that most of his recent updates may be since the turn of the calendar year have been generally positive about wins. Maybe that's perhaps reading too much into it as wishful. I know at a certain point you go so far, down the rabbit hole in read, so many tea leaves that you just run yourself in circles, we probably won't get wins until twenty twenty-five. There was that thing from one or two summers ago where it seemed like he was about to make an announcement. I remember you. And I started talking about okay, which. One of us is going to blog if the announcement comes, and then it was about, like one of his fire and blood or wildcard series. I think it was a wild cards, one fire and blood, at least a little bit exciting. Well, that's it for us this time. But at the beginning of next week, we will be back for a special wrap up episode about what happened in the finale, not pre-cap Ables, but recap -able style as always don't forget to rate us five stars, wherever you get your podcasts and be sure to read, all of our written coverage this week rally wrote about who might rule western the end, and I wrote about the shows oath message we also had pieces about Harry Strickland, rest in peace, Yara, great joy and more. And of course tune into talk the thrones. With mal, Jason and Chris live on Twitter on Sunday after the episode airs for instant analysis about the finale, we'll be back next week. But until then enjoy the episode. It's the last game of thrones, what do we need to say?

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Can TV Survive After Game of Thrones?

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Can TV Survive After Game of Thrones?

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