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A Theological Great: George Whitefield with Frank Mullis

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A Theological Great: George Whitefield with Frank Mullis

"Uh-huh. What's up everyone? This is James Watkins, witty, five soul, is podcast. I hope that you were all doing phenomenal. So I am thrilled to be sitting here today with the great Andrew rappoport. Okay. Well, you got to listen to the crowd. So instead of Andrew, I, we'll just go with that good old, Reverend almost Dr Frank Mullah, how you doing? Well, are you. I'm doing fantastic. You know, Andrew Andrew and Justin Peters, or in the Philippines, so they can't defend themselves. Can't defend themselves. So Frank, you had an idea. You just got back from a trip a couple of weeks ago. Now, you had an idea that we would maybe do a series on some theological, greats may be some not so the electrical great, Janice. That's what I was thinking might be good. So the one that we're going to start out with let me, let me quote you this. This is what is own his tombstone. I am content to wait till the day of judgement for the clearing up of my character. And after I'm dead. I desired no other epitaph than this. What sort of man he was the great day will discover. All right. So you all have about three seconds to guess that, and if you don't get it, right. And it's not George Washington is not George Washington. It is another George though. There's another George, it is another George, so the one that we will be starting out with today is the great George Whitfield on fame. Pretty famous American preacher, very famous preacher well before George Washington, George Whitfield was probably the most popular figure in American. Yeah. Pretty much celebrity time celebrity matter. Fact, eighty percent of all American colonists heard him. Preach. At least one time. So imagine that eighty percent of Americans heard the gospel from George Whitfield. Those are great awakening. And other than other than royalty was probably the only live in person that name could be recognized by most of the colonists during that time. That's incredible. So we are going to move forward. George Whitfield today, and in the coming weeks were also going to be doing some other theological greats. Not so great stuff the nets won. I believe we're going to do is going to be Jonathan Edwards. And then we're gonna move forward into John Wesley. And then the amazing angry, Charles Finney and Charles. So I'm excited about John Edwards, and Charles Finney in particular. But you had a little bit of a part of your trip was dealing with John Edwards as well. Right. Right. So couple of friends of mine from seminary, Dr Thomas price. I call him Oxford. He's a graduate. He graduated with me from south eastern seminary, and then he went on to Duke. Yes, he went on the Duke, graduated with a degree in patristic. And then he went to Oxford out suffered so that is why you have to have a theological dictionary every time. Yeah, we gotta have theological dictionary, and he has his own podcast. He operates a podcast with two other hosted Z reformed pug, cat informed. Punk pug. Yeah. PG cast. So, yes, check that out available and all your favorite podcasting apps. Great podcast, but made sure to have your theological dictionary. Oh, yeah. And then not only that did I have a former OCP OPEC? He's actually the, the orthodox Presbyterian, Timothy Baker, right? Yeah. Well, he has. He's I he sired me into Calvinism guess, kind of like a vampire made you famous on the campus. He he made me I made him famous. He was called a fairly. He was called into the president's office. But because of me, I didn't know that they told him to lock you in your cage. Yeah. He's had wanted they let me out of the gate, so Tim Tim's one of the smartest guys I met in seminary well, read, I him him in Tom both. So I said, hey, while we're while we're coming up to Connecticut. Hang out less travel around and see some of the sites of the great awakening, Jonathan Edwards. We'll talk about some of that. And then George Whitfield we went up to the church, where he is interred, and that church, actually, you can do a tour of the first Presbyterian church newburyport Massachusetts, and you can set up a tour. And in our tour guide happened to be a Baptist, by the way. And he told his around the church is one of the oldest churches around and mazing, I'll talk about it a little bit later in the podcast. But we just learned so much about George Whitfield that we didn't already know. And I knew a lot about with red as Bogra Fay's of read his sermons over the years. But there were just so much that we learn. Nd about his later life, and in his death and one of the reasons there was so much trouble going on in New England during that time period and even more so since his Memorial Day weekend with what's interesting is that he's kind of the reason that we have the form of government that we do in America. There's a huge connection between joint Whitfield and the American former government. We have. So just to kind of give you a little bit of a background own. George Whitfield in case you're not familiar with George Whitfield, born, December twenty seven seventeen fourteenth seventeenth fourteenth seventeen fourteen. Doused or England and glouster England and September thirtieth seventeen seventies. So Frank moves a little bit. Tell us a little bit more about with Phil literally dive into kind of his life. Some of the things that he's a little known for well, you know, his, his father, he died on seventeen seventies seventies, seventeenth sixteen, we've both those gates his mother, eventually remarried, but ended up divorcing, and you know, George is going to work in there in the Balian. He's gonna he's gonna learn how to work hard. And so when he is mother and father, second, mother stepfather, divorced. He's going to return to begin studies in on Christmas. Seventeen thirty. He received the Lord's supper for the first time in determines to be more. Watchful over his thoughts words and actions. But guess what still was saved really count? Not too familiar within the church. Yeah. Very much. So in in seventeen thirty two, you know, he was pretty poor and had trouble getting. Him. But he wanted to go to Oxford. So a friend of its talked him into getting a job and kind of doing a co-op kind of work, and he was. Yeah. In keeping in keeping, so they got him there. And so he begins to go to Pembroke college at Oxford and pays expenses by working as an errand boy, working in some of the pubs there, and he begins fraying and fasting thinking that, that's part of what salvation is right. So here's what happens to him in seventeen thirty three. He's invited to breakfast by Charles Wesley and introduced to what was known as the holy club, and they had about tender Levin members and of course, Jonathan, and Charles Wesley John, and Charles Jonah. Guess jonathan. Yeah. Begins to borrow the life of God in the soul of man by Henry Schuylkill, which showed me that I must be born again or be damned. Well, really the kind of irony behind that is that club. The holy club was very legalistic club over it was. I mean that's really what it was a lot of people look down on them. But the holy club. France seeks out facial through severe. And good works, which causes a breakdown of his health, which he never fully recovered because he was fasting and praying so much believing that in this works base, not only salvation, but this works basing vacation, and you and I have done a little bit of work on Saint vacation. But she preached a little bit today and last week in regards to legalism in how the whole point of which legalism is really a personal preference being called sin among other things. It's a lot more detail than that really made the point that the law is not what actually saves us. It's a mirror to the cross, right? The law points us to run toward Jesus. Right. And it seems that's what George Whitfield scene. Yeah he did in the holy club right in the holy club. So he he's seeing the law. And he's realizing you know what this, this isn't working to can't fulfill it? And so the holy club is going to lead him to a more Calvin this dick approach to scriptures. And so the west leaser going to become missionaries and travel to our great. State of Georgia here and so with Phil's going to finish his degree in seventeen thirty six he's going to be ordained a deacon in the church of England. And by the way, what's interesting Whitfield learns to despise the church of England by the way, he's going to begin to preach his first sermon. And he is going to go back for his masters degree at Oxford, he then leaves to substitute. Preach for various friends, and decides to become a missionary to Georgia. And that was something that kind of found pretty interesting as that George Whitfield was primarily kind of an interim preacher rather than being actually assigned to a pastor Reina church. Yeah. He was a non tenure at preacher just like Wesley. But he's more. He's going to be more of a church planter like much like Paul, the west lease we think of them as Methodists, but Methodism was a method in which they use to teach the people teach people the Armenian gospel. Right. And so eventually him and in the Wesleyan going are going to split over that whole Calvinism Armenian. That's really whenever. You see the old and new light. Right. Well, the Holden, new lights is, is a is a very interesting thing, and we'll get to that on just a minute. But how about this? The more George Whitfield preached, the more people loved him, or the more people. Oh, bet the very few people very few people didn't get anything out of his sermon. Well process foolishness of those for those that are being saved to give eternal life. One of the things that happens is, he's in seventeen thirty nine he's, he's ordained a priest, but finds that many of the pull pits began closing the him. And so this is why he begins to preach outdoors, and, and this is where Tim Tim Baker, he he had. He didn't really love Whitfield as much as I did, you know, he he'd always wondered about wine, the world was Whitfield not preaching in churches. He says, you know, is that what you know, these street preachers do treat preachers, try to overshadow the church. Right. And so that, that was kind of press. Materiel they, they don't necessarily have a love for for street preacher so much. And so Tim can kind of figure it out until we started when we went inside in on this church history tour at the, the Presbyterian, church there at newburyport, the guy explained that basically, whenever Whitfield would go in preach, people would get saved, which they weren't doing you re remember in Anglican and Presbyterian, and so forth. And again, there wasn't that many Presbyterian church. So let's say the church of England and even the Puritans you're pretty much born into the church by law. You had to be a member of the church to what vote so pretty much. Everybody was a member of the church, whether you're sheep or a goat. Right. You were members in the church didn't matter because it was so much. Right. And so George Whitfield when he would preach a bunch of loss that were members of the church started getting saved. And so the pastors began to get upset started causing problems, and so a lot of these pastors shut the door to Whitfield. Well, guys, we are just getting started on George Whitfield, believe me. There is a lot more than what a forty probably thirty forty five minute episode can capture. But we are going to take a quick break, and we will be right back Tom down on I'm here with my wife, Karen. The host of the what are we even doing here podcasts the podcast seeks the answer? The question that we all asked, what are we even doing here? We cover topics such as marriage family life, and living Christian life in this crazy world. We don't have all the answers, but we know where to look on itunes and follow us on soundcloud, as we seek the kingdom of God and find out what we are even doing here. All right, everyone. Welcome to the five podcast, James sitting here with Frank Mullis, and we are discussing theological giant in George Whitfield. Would you agree with that statement that he's a theological giant? Oh, absolutely after he leaves and heads toward Georgia his, his voyages kinda delayed, and he begins to preach in Bristol and London thousands began to pack churches there. And as I said earlier, you know, he's, he's starting to have problems getting into churches because many of his sermons are getting published, and people are publishing them against him and using it against him. And so when he gets to, to Georgia, the pulpits are closed so he begins preaching outdoors. And guess what? When you preach outdoors more people can hear you, right? So you'd have a crowd, right? You had he had about ten thousand tens of thousands of people heard him preach, in the fields, and one of them was one of the nobles, the Countess of Huntington are drawn to Whitfield. And he's going to again, spend months George he's going to go back, and he's gonna come back and August. He sales for American preaches to New York and Philadelphia and get. So we meet some Philadelphia, the great been Jamin Franklin. Really? Yeah. He has a he has a lifelong friendship with Benjamin Franklin, which I if we think of for a moment Jonathan Edwards belief that the more you hear the gospel in and fail to repent, the more damnation you occur. So imagine your best friend is you just keep free. And how much more damnation Ben Franklin has because of his buddy. Doing, you know. And, and what's, what's interesting is Benjamin. Franklin does experiments on George Whitfield preaching and said that people could hear him between about a half mile in circumference whenever he would preach in the mountains. They would say that the farmers in the valleys with think God was talking to them because the sound would travel over so. It would carry over. But what's interesting is Benjamin. Franklin did these experiments and so forth? But of course, Ben Franklin he's known as a newspaper man as well. And so his newspaper was up against a lot of others, and he was kind of floundering and almost as business went out of business. Here's what he designed to do. What do you think he did to gather more business head George Whitfield? Yeah. So George Whitfield what he would do course, he's writing, lots of sermons, and, like most preachers, the they didn't have, you know, Microsoft Word your handwriting them. And then when you're done with them. What do you do it tells them to the side? So Ben Franklin said, hey, semi one of your sermons, and so he published it and what he discovered the next day, all of his newspaper sold out. Really? Yeah. So, so this goes hand in hand with how we know how many sermons, as exactly right and so his newspaper, actually, because he started publishing all George Whitfield sermons, a lot of his sermons got saved. We know how many breeze around eighteen thousand sermons. Oh, we're published and it saves his newspaper, so that he could began to do experiments and invent things like the by focal and the lightning rod. So I did some quick math and you've been at Denver, a Baptist church now for about fourteen years, fourteen hand. So you are if you just do fifty two weeks times. You're fourteen years at roughly seven hundred twenty eight sermon. So you're a little bit under. Yeah. Yeah. I'm to be honest. I'm probably probably about. I would say six hundred maybe six hundred or so, so I got some catching up to do, but, but I'm glad them aren't saved. Yeah. Some of his sermons are lost and. Some of them are ones that I preach, whenever he's on there. Definitely not say. Archive by seventeen forty you know, one of the things that's important to know about is we Christians do a lot of good around the world. We start hospitals and we start orphanages, and so one of the things that with Phil does is he starts an orphanages, and you can travel around Georgia, and there's actually Whitfield County, Georgia, and Whitfield's. He starts an orphanage here, and then April, he's going to begin to travel back to Philadelphia and small town like Fags manner, where he preached where twelve thousand people came to hear him and by mid year, he was back in Georgia doing, preaching storms back in the fall up in New England. Wow. That's incredible. Just to have that many people coming to hear the gospel now that many people go they go in here. Joel osteen. And now I mean, I don't I don't think he would really unless you're John Arthur. You have that many people coming to hear the true, and then back in seventeen forty one he goes back across the other side of the pond. Back to England. So Whitfield goes back across the pond. And and is estimated that he traveled back and forth across the ocean around thirteen times. And that's not a easy travel at that. And if you think about by the time he comes back to America when he's about twenty five years old is sometime between seventeen thirty nine and seventeen forty. He's taking America by storm his very young age. Yeah. And by the time he he's done. He preaches in Boston, and his farewell sermon almost twenty three thousand people more than the population of Boston that time, twenty three thousand people and is probably the largest crowd that ever gathered in America to that point, when we talk about Whitfield and his, his preaching, he preached at Harvard. He preached a Yale the college in his entirety changed the. Harvard professors. You know, they had slowly become more and more liberal run, and any we talk about the new lights. Whereas the old lights, they wrote a pamphlet the nounce, but they weren't the only ones that hated with ill Whitfield. He he was hated, mom, sometimes tack, Whitfield and, and his followers. They main people they strip the women naked. He had death threats had stones thrown at him. In one time he nearly died. One of my favorite stories is that people came and threw dead cast. Right. I hear about that you made mention of it in a sermon that you did while that. Yeah. And I said, I was like he's gotta be misspeaking, hell no not alive cat. But a dead cat now. Now, think about this. It's not like you could just find a dead cat along the way, it means that you toted this dead cat with you just tension. Now here's something that's even even even wilder. Is that one day he's coming to preach at? This church in the first press, we enter church in newburyport, the town, half the town hated him. The other town half of the town loved him. Right. It was a basically the pastors of town hated him except for this one church. And this church was founded by him so much so that they would they would throw things at him stone him. And then one day while he is walking into the church. There's a guy standing in the tree over the door where he's going in, and you're a Nate's, George Whitfield. Wow. Now, now, let me let me this thing about this. If this guy, let's, let's say this guy's never converted. Right. Can can you imagine on judgment day as your their native overheads? Overheads preachers. You're being judged for urinating George George Whitfield. Thousands and here. I mean, this is kind of a kind of a sad thing to think of right, sir. I'm seeing that in your urinated. Now just thinking about the people throwing the dead cats. George Whitfield was there, any kind of symbolism here with the dead cats or were they just trying to find like, perhaps just something to just to be absolutely insulting to. I, I don't know dude. I mean, it boggles my mind that anybody would think to throw a dead cat at me. You know, there's, there's a story of, of John Wesley, that's similar to that. And I'll talk about that. We'll get to, to Wesley but since we're bringing you know, bring in Wesleyan, I'm gonna talk about this eventually in seventeen forty one. When when Whitfield arrives in England. Marty meets with great hostility stirred largely by John Wesley. And John Wesley and him are going to split against his Calvinism, pubs counter t- publishes a counter tight against Wesley and began to preach, and he's eventually going to be married to Elizabeth Jane, and he's going to be a tenor in most of England by seventeen forty three he helps form the wells wells Calvinism methods association where. He serves as a minister by seventeen forty four his four month old son, John dies of cygnus, and his buried, and George believe it or not Fabiani of eighth of seventeen forty four George is, is attacked and almost killed. I mean having cats on anti urinated on it's just the one thing pollen on after another foreign. And so he and his wife or going to travel back to America, and where he's going to resume preaching and this is third. Visit back to the colonies through beset with opposition inspires a great wave of revival. And this is the beginning of really probably the great awakenings is going to travel to Bermuda and preach Bermuda. And then he's going to go back to the lady, who he had met who was kind of one of the nobles that was his supporter, lady Huntington, appoints, Whitfield, or chaplain, lessening, the financials on him and he ministers through England, Wales Arslan and Scotland between seventeen forty eight and seventeen fifty one so. He's traveling back and forth. And by seventeen fifty one he's back in the colonies arriving back in Georgia with a group of destitute children. And he does a preaching tour, and he helps his orphan houses, which financial needs. He's going to go back to England again. And he's going to or wells travels along, did you have for the seventh time he returns to London for the opening of a brick tabernacle and in seventeen fifty four? He's back in the colonies from Boston, Georgia, seventeen fifty five he preaches in London. Bristol in glouster, and he's gonna go to preach in Dublin Ireland glass, cow and Wales. And then seventeen sixty three's on his six trip back to the Collins. Now, could you imagine just how much more preaching he would have been able to get accomplished, if he actually had modern means of transportation, imagine imagine imagine if he had had a Lear jet? Yeah. Imagine how much more. How many more people would he be able to preach for? He had a. Dollar jet. Oh well too bad. Too bad kid Copeland wasn't with Phil to borrow his jet the six trip to the colonies, he begins to develop more and more health problems, which goes back to his works base station, the fascinating and so forth. The holy club and in seventeen sixty eight his wife dies. He's going to open a college in seventeen sixty eight the same year and then seventeen sixty nine we come to his seventh and final trips of colonies. And he's gonna arrive in Charleston. He's gonna preach ten days and then he's going to begin a tour of Philadelphia. And then he's gonna hit on up to newburyport where he will preaches last two sermons around that area. And then he will die. I'll tell you just how much traveling and all he did preaching the gospel. He sounds like he might have been a of a Calvin Nistiuk. Billy Graham of his day. Yeah. Yeah. Third thirteen times. He's crossing back and forth. And I'm talking about we're talking about months, two months and see and a lot of his sermons were written. You know, those eighteen thousand sermons he's got time to, to preach those those sermons, and you gotta thank to that with the health problems that he started. Kind of later on in his life. Not only was that a result of the holy club in his his view of a workspace salvation with the fasting. But also the intense amount of travel that he did probably didn't do him any favors now at that time now is definitely weighing on the soul in the spirit and his health, and that's why you do need those, those big jets to travel, because we, we've seen it in modern times, you know, we've we went to a couple years ago, we were at the three conference and we've seen a couple of, of passers air that we know that do a ton of travel and our common man. They just look at AllState, well, I know look there were times, where I have gone in my early days, I would, I would fly to speak Friday, Saturday, and I would get a six AM flight and not have to be at the airport at three on fly back home at six in the morning drive. Two hours and then preach Im's works out. Well when you're young but almost fifty now and I it gets. Harder and harder to travel into speak. I'm glad you're able to fill in for me now to, I don't have to rush. At least you don't have to spend months at sea. See, let's think about a little bit about the end of his life, seven times back and forth to America dozens of times, Scotland Ireland, Bermuda Holland. He's preached eighteen thousand sermons ten million people have heard him. Preach. He's lost a son. He's lost a wife and here he is. And that, that is almost closing in on his fifties. You know, he look he's been friends would Jonathan Edwards. Charles Wesley, you know, Franklin Benjamin Franklin, so we own Cowper and others. And he's, he's had cats thrown adding, he's been starring her native on, and all these people have mocked him, or for many years. And there's a story. That, that's a pretty famous story. And as a matter of fact, Phil Johnson uses this story in, in one of his sermons is the story of John Thorpe. If you heard this story, believe I've heard it, I believe, I believe her you kind of go over before after hearing, Whitfield preach in seventeen fifty John Thorpe in three of his friends went to this tavern. And there was this this game where you just kinda mock people and so forth. And so, John Thorpe decides to mimic Whitfield and people actually end up getting say, well, well, not so much as John Thorpe grabs a bible, and jumps on and he starts preaching one of with he'll sermons end in the middle of the sermon. He gets saved. And matter of fact, it's he says, I will beat you all, but his eyes fell on except you repent, you'll like wise parish. He was struck with his central nece, and he sat down and two years later. He became a one of John. Well, John Wesley's tenure preachers. That just goes to show, ladies and gentlemen, the word of God does not return void in the gospel, is even even if you're preaching right? They were mocking hockey mocking the gospel, so whenever he sitting there, preaching that preaching, the Goswell mocking mocking, all of a sudden he hears repent or you were. Likewise, perished are so George Whitfield he sets up. He goes to newburyport Massachusetts. And during this time he preaches in this group of people get save and it causes a stir in the church. And so when he comes back, the pastor won't let him preach because now these people within the church are causing a stir, and this is the later part of his life. Well, this is probably the mid point. And so this group of people pretty much run out of the church and it's the story of the old lights and the new lights and really this, this goes back to the halfway covenant if you remember the halfway covenant was, basically, you could be a member of the church, but you couldn't participate in the Lord's supper. Right. And so Jonathon Edwards. He was a big. He was anti this. It was it was a big problem for him as one of the reasons he got fired and. So he calls a lot of stir when people get saved people would start saying how you member of the church if you're not saved. And so the new lights who were people who were born again. Right. These guys go and start their own little congregation and church and George Whitfield comes back. They go there and Lambda preachy famous people are coming. They eventually George Whitfield is going to talk them into becoming Presbyterians, and one of the reasons why this is the guy from the church history tour basically said, the Presbyterians were not tied to the church of England and Whitfield had become more and more anti church of England kind of more and more program pro revolutionary, and that probably had a lot to do with with the church of England. And so tied him with executive. Right. And so the Presbyterian form of government, if you think about it is Representative right elder rule, and you vote for the elders and the elders kind of are the ones who represent you. And that's our American form of government. So. George Whitfield is connected to that in some way, he's really the founder of the Presbyterian movement in America. 'cause most of the church is the one it's van Presbyterian. The one newburyport is, is Presbyterian. But one of the one of the things that was so interesting about it is that George Whitfield came there. He preached there and one of the things that he declared was that he wanted to be buried under the pulpit of that church. Even though he wasn't the first pastor he was kind of the founding pastor of the church. And so if you go and see it in the church, it's a very much like if you've been to been to any of the old churches of they're very much the same style the high pews where people had to put the charcoal inside cues to stay warm. They even have spots. They have spitoons where where people can do that. They, you know, they had the slave pews up in up in the top the pulpit, pit was up in the ceiling, where the pastor would kinda preach, down condescend onto the. People as they preached the gospel and so very much an interesting way of viewing people in the way they used to practice church in so what's even more. Interesting is at the top of the church at the top of the church, there is a lightning rod, and guess who is who installed the lightning rod Benjamin Franklin figure, because of his friendship with George Whitfield. He told him. Hey, I got this new invention, the lightning rod that I'd like to install into your church, and so a few years ago, lightning hit the church and the it hit the lightning rod, and it bounced off and hit a house next door. Yeah. Well, the house next door were atheist. What do you what do you think about this because of George Winfield's, preaching and friendship with Benjamin? Franklin the church was saved in the twenty first century. Right. That's cry. So you want here in even more. Interesting story. So about a year ago about a year ago, a opioid addict heroin addict breaks into the church. Now what you a lot of people don't know, is there's a lot of very expensive George Whitfield relics there. Oh imagine, including his Geneva, bible, and a mini of his sermons and letters and so forth. A very valuable, you can imagine what Geneva original Geneva bibles worth. So the crack it ends up, stealing a copier like inkjet printer and something else, right? What's interesting about it calls the church to get paranoid? So they installed a fire alarm system, burglar alarm system, a few months later, they had. A candlelight service and one of the candles that they had used that night reignited in Colt. One of the windows on fire and the fire department. Was there in forty five seconds and put it out in the church was saved? And if it hadn't been for this opioid attic, breaking in the whole church burn down. That's including, including losing all of Jonathan how George Whitfield stuff. So very you know, providential era things connected to, to all of this. Right. And if you think about George Whitfield's grave, George Whitfield is buried under there. Right. So you can go and visit the church, you can do the tour you can travel to the top of the church to its staple, where they have a one of the last remaining Paul revere, bells very narrow very newspaper. I don't think I don't think you would make it probably. Barely got up at right so in so he rang the bell for. So that was kinda cool, so we traveled down from the tip top of the church all the way down to the basement, where George Whitfield is buried into raced him, I tried. I tried to grave. Didn't work on Edward's and in with ill. So what's interesting is, is that the original pool. Pit of the church was moved to the new spot. His rave was actually moved under the new pulpit. But what's even more? So is that he was not interred in a tomb under the church? His coffin was just placed under the pulpit. So it was actually some arch. It just it was. Yeah, it was a wooden coffin just placed under in the basement of the church. So there's a pretty interesting story that there's many interesting stories, this is what blew my mind about about this thing. Right. During the revolutionary war. There was going to be an invasion of Canada. Right. The vision of Canada. And one of the great military generals, that we don't consider a great military general, we think of him as a traitor, Benedict Arnold on his way to Canada. He stops in to newburyport along with one of his lieutenants. A former vice president of ours, Aaron Burr, so Aaron Burr, many people. Have to understand a little bit about church history is that his grandfather was Jonathan Edwards. And so they wanted to visit herb say, hey, let's go see a grave of the great George Whitfield. So they go inside. And so you have Benedict Arnold Lieutenant Aaron Burr and several others. And they're on their way to battle in the pastor at the time. He says, hey, would you like to see his body, so he opens the coffin and there's George Whitfield, and he's in his robe. And, you know, probably skeletal by this point. Aaron Burr says, you know what says, we're going into battle. I wanna piece of good luck. So he cuts off a piece of, of George Whitfield's robe. And so did the lieutenants along with Benedict Arnold. Now as the story goes is they travel on to Canada. They lose that battle royally, so there was no special good luck attached to that. But what this did was start a precedent according to the church, a story in there. And so for years to come people would come to visit George wig. 'field and they will. And, and if the pastor or whoever it was would open the coffin people would begin to take relics ready, sir knows hardly any. There is very little, they would they would take pieces of his, his robe, and they began to take pieces of him him, right bones, and so forth. And what's interesting, and there's this book put out by the church. The Reverend George Whitfield and I'll just kind of read a little bit about this, this started this precedent with people collecting relics of George Whitfield, as the story goes, there's been thousands of people to visit the crypt over the years and people were able to peer into the coffin and his skull was worn to a shiny wide. Hugh by the throngs of visitors who wished that close. Encounter. The coffin was closed viewing by order of the city in nineteen thirty two and was eventually sealed George Whitfield, right? Arm bone was stolen in eighteen twenty nine and carried to England it came into the possession of Mr. Bolton a great admirer of George Whitfield. So here here's how the story goes from this story. And he asked a friend of his that, hey. I'm going to Winfield church. Would you like anything? He says, sure, bring me something back. Well, he was hoping maybe for peace of the sermon or piece of a letter of everything bowl. And so he got a bone when he gets it. He's disgusted by it. And so he sends it back in eighteen forty nine and a small wooden box. And, and so when the box gets back people carried it through the town, and there was cheering the bills ringing, and the return of his box. So when the town ordered the, the coffin closed and sealed and interred in actual aware, it is today, they sent out letters all around the world requesting for pieces of his bone, and his robe and everything to be returned. And people were sending back. He says a bones and his robe Harvard University, had his entire ribbed part of his ribcage return. They didn't even know Harvard had it come on. All right. There's still a piece of his thumb missing someone in some museum has has his thumb. I think upstairs in the in the viewing areas, a piece of one of his bones. And so he sealed up and he's buried between two people Jonathan Parsons, who's the first pastor of this church Whitfield actually died in his house. And I'll talk about that in just a moment. There's another Joseph prince who was a blind minister who preached any many times he was buried there. So there's three people actually buried in the crypt. They're under the church nail and on top of the crip is a is Jonathan Edwards skull, a cast of the skull and a cast of his Geneva bible that he preached from, and he hated the King James bible, by the way. Because it because it was connected to King, James he'd loved the Geneva bible. Now, this is something interesting for you. King James only people. I'm sorry. Is that one of the reasons King James hated are started the King James bibles, because he hated the Geneva by because it had the notes of John Calvin decided, and people were becoming Calvinism because of John Calvin as a matter of fact, the pilgrim's hated the King James bible, because it was a new version, of course. Now, here's here's the funny thing, those the King James only people right now aren't reading the traditional. Yeah. I know we, we've kind of rambled along with it. But, you know, I wanna just suggest people if you get a chance to go to newburyport to first Presbyterian church get a tour is worth it. They, you know, they ask for like a five dollar donation stuff. The church has no, they've got heating and cooling. But during the day is, it's on. It's kinda turned off and I can imagine what electric Bill is, you know, because it's I mean it's one of the original churches from from that time period. And so they, you know they do tours and so forth, and it's an interesting time to kind of go into or the majority of the town is, is quote unquote, atheist agnostic on new age. As a matter of fact, the owner of Parsons house, which is the Parsonage in which George Whitfield dies. They are they hate the gospel, and won't even let the church come in and, and see they restored it to the original church and the second floor of the. Of this Parsonage is where George Ville, Winfield preaches last sermon and where he died, and the people that live there, hate the gospel, well to Jim Agean. Now, if you had somebody like George Whitfield, who was going around preaching the gospel as much as he was. Well, I mean in and they would they throw at him today what, what were they throw I think they might still urinate. Or they just fetuses visas. Yeah. Or maybe throw a flying demon baby. Yeah. Flood, we, we haven't mentioned that have we flying demon baby. They might throw flying demon. We still gotta get Andrew Rappaport on until a little bit about that. Speaking of Andrew Rappaport, guys, check out his rap report podcast. He has a daily, as well as a weekly that comes out some of the other ones that you guys need to check out check out the growth project. That is Danny Purvis Robert how Nyum currently in the middle of reading a book, written by Danny Purvis called the marriage pyramid. I'm right smack in the middle of it. I'm not gonna get too many details on it right now. All I can say, is that what I've read so far has been very, very edifying for me and I strongly recommend as of this point right now for you to get a copy of Franken. Thank you got a copy didn't do. I've got the kindle version. The kindle versions actually was only three or four bucks. Yeah. And I, I got the paperback and it was only fourteen ninety nine so I got it off of Amazon. You can visit those guys on Facebook growth project, growth project radio. Fantastic. Are we going to do a book review? Yeah. Yeah. Whenever I get done with the book. I'm gonna go back through. I'm probably gonna read a second time. And if Danny Purvis won't to I would love to have him, come on and talk about a little more. I'm sure he. He has a he has a wealth of knowledge from being navy chaplain, counselor pastor on sure that he has a wealth of knowledge that didn't quite make it into the pages. And I'd like to pick his brain on. But just to kinda ties up here on this George Whitfield is incredible, obviously of would you say he's one of your favorite theologians? Well theologians is much, as you know, probably pastors. I just loved his boldness, any man, that would still preach, matter of fact, there's the story where someone takes throws a rock at him. It hits his bible and inox his bible out of his hands, and he just continues to preach. So maybe kind of a this is how you do it street preachers. Well, you know, I think I think he is really the first one of the first true straight preachers. Yeah. And a lot of and a lot of that is he was forced to St. breach, because people hated him so much because he was he was actually preaching the gospel. Whereas the gospel, it kind of died out the Puritans had died out. And of course, that's why calls the first grade awakening, he and Edwards to some lesser extent, and throw that in there as a dig Charles Wesley to a lesser extent. And we'll talk about why believe that but Whitfield and Edwards truly their God used them in a mighty way, during that first grade awakening whereas Edwards was the theologian. The preaching would say was really Whitfield. I mean, think about eighteen thousand times, you know, millions of people heard the gospel, eighty percent of America heard the gospel, during that it could you imagine if eighty percent of America heard the true gospel today, it would probably bring about the persecution a lot. Well, I mean look half the. People loved him half the people hate it. But there was always a response. Well, you know, something that's interesting is, you know, with Raza, social media. Now, whenever people are street preaching you get you get live videos now. Right. One of the things that I think that we see compared to what Whitfield was doing. His Whitfield was going out preaching Christ and him crucified. Now, what we're seeing is a rise in kind of a protest gospel, reaching where people are going to say, Planned Parenthood. No nothing wrong with going to Planned Parenthood. But the gospel presentation is tied in with them protesting a specific thing. Whereas woodville just preaching the gospel, you mean planning not to be parented planning not to be parents. I was just kind of a rabbit trail for second is, you know, I was listening, I think it was been Shapiro who's talking about how the liberals very good their language that they choose. Oh, yeah. Very, very, very black lives. Matter was started, you know, by white people. Yeah. Black lives matter, right in that sense. And that's why unless you're talking about abortion, unless you're talking. And then they don't matter what was it? I, I did a podcast last week on the topic of abortion, the laws that were passing Alabama. And you know, the crazy thing is that sixty percent of the abortions in the state of Alabama are African American how about several years ago. It's been been about four years ago. One of these statistics came out. Is that more African American babies were aborted in York's born? Yeah, that's absolutely crazy. Well, so I've enjoyed doing George George Whitfield. I can't wait to do Jonathan Edwards because I'm sure that we're going to talk a little bit. You know, and Jonathan Edwards is if you think about it probably Jonathan Edwards is at the top, you know, I would say, probably Edwards than than Whitfield and, you know, everybody, there's in the hands of an angry, God pretty much everybody. Yeah. Pretty pretty much, but not not many people. They don't understand understand it. And I really wanna talk about that. And I, I think RC sprawl gave an excellent really calm. Terry on the meaning of that, sermon which stood out a lot to me. Well, Frank, we are going to wind down. Now. Do you have any closing thoughts on George Whitfield George Whitfield get his biography, re read up on him? You know, the best, you know, the best, I best, I can do is kind of give you my kind of lay knowledge of with field. Read rita's Bahgat. He's one of the most amazing men thinking, churches, dri, at least especially American and English church Istorii, so free Demi a favorite just to kind of close us out here. Not on sped, you speak in King James language, but how would the gospel of George Whitfield, were preaching it? How would the gospel sound coming from a man, such as him who preached the gospel, some eighteen thousand times it started? I believe he was start with Jesus Christ our savior that he came to save us from the law that, that Jesus Christ came and humbled himself as a servant. He lived a perfect, and holy life. And that he went to the cross of his own accord sent by the. Father crucified by the Romans in the Jews and for us as centers that he died for his people, he died for his elect, and that those who place faith in him alone through Jesus Christ alone. And it is by grace alone that we are saved place your faith in a resurrected Jesus Christ. So he would probably start out with the Lord, Jesus Christ because of him coming from that legal ist at background with the holy club volts again, I encourage you to we'll put some resources in the lean in, in the podcast notes where you can find some information on George Whitfield regarding some of his works. But this has been a fantastic episode. I'm looking forward to getting into Jonathan Edwards, and moving down the list into Charles Finney, but lazy Jim this has been James Watkins here with the great Reverend almost Dr Frank mollahs with five souls podcast. Thank you for listening and all that you do be done to the glory of God. Soli Deo Gloria.

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A Look At George Whitefield And Slavery

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A Look At George Whitefield And Slavery

"What's going on everybody? Welcome back to prescribing truth, Jamal bandied. This is your first time watching this YouTube stream, please subscribe button. If you find this content, helpful Hideto vacation built on the side. So you can be notified when I have doing coming content. If you listen to this on various podcast apps, where valuable tool it's radio Google play in such please review. It a rating this really helps me out if our criticism and everything I want to know what you think about the show, please do so greatly. Appreciate it. If you like to support this ministry financial, you do so by partner with me joining us on patron to one of his community. We're building a patron at patriot dot com Ford that's prescribed truth at different war tears start from a dollar and up. He just basically, you know, just whatever donation you can afford, you know, if you've got a dollar to spare greatly appreciative, not appreciate your prayers, and we have different things we'll give back versus shadow the show taking part in a pre show in the post show, and you know, got mugged you can get in the care package and all kinds of stuff. You can check out all that on the link in description as well as you see it. On the screen. They're like the Email me, you can't prescribe dot truth Jimoh dot com or you can call me at eight oh one nine eight zero sixty three thirty three. I appreciate your call. I love the 'cause I've been getting lately even those who disagree with just having a great conversation. So please utilize that greatly. Appreciate it and want to talk to you. All right. So as you see in the title, we will be dealing with George Whitfield. He's the first step in this. But other than between him and at the networks, we all do with George Whitfield. I I guess we did Luther last couple of weeks deputy mediate Martin Luther King before that. And so and so forth. And so here we are. We're George Whitfield. This is going to be in. It's going to be touch already know this is going to be linked one. So I may have to split this one up. I'm not sure yet, but I wanna get into this. Alright. So a while back probably a month ago. Now when I first started this series. I asked a couple of questions in the end of the stream pose questions to get somebody to think just get us a thing for a moment. Because some of these issues now this whole thing came about because there was a subscriber to my YouTube channel. Yes, I do look at the comments read them not do comment back. Yeah. Yeah. The guy who subscribed. Well, he, you know, he commented and he was asking why people poo poo own Martin Luther King's far as being the MLK conference, as you know, as far as him being represented and talking about him as being a Christian and so on so forth. So why why was there evangelists who rejected Martin Luther King junior? And yet they support people like George Whitfield Johnson that worse 'cause they own slaves and Martin Luther because he was said to be antisemitic. Well, we dealt with the Martin Luther claim, let's weeks if you wanna know what I said because I didn't that please go check those out. But now, we're dealing with George Whitfield as far as him owning slaves and all that kind of stuff. Now, I asked a question before. And I want us to think about this. And I wanna get into some scripture today as well. I I got one resource put up or something that George Whitfield rope. So we're gonna look at that. And I want to get some scripture, and I want to pose the question once again. In and of itself is it a sin to own slaves. Just wanna post a question. Well, thought out there we're going to be dealing with that is it a sin to own slaves. Now, we know it's a sen- to kidnap people. Right. We know that's the same. We notice ascend to beat people. We know it's sent to murder people to ripe in all that stuff. We know. That's wrong. We know that saying, but is it a sin just to own slaves? That is a question. Now, we get acids from an emotional standpoint. And be like, oh, you know, that they treated this did this. And they did that we know. I know I know, but please hear me hear me. The question is because we're talking about for talking about people salvation we're talking about Martin Luther King with may him inherited and what made him be deemed not a Christian. Why what we still consider George Whitfield? Jonathan Edwards to still yet be Christians, even though they own slaves. You know, what is it? What is it about them? You know, this we consider this to be a wicked thing. It's the wicked thing they own slaves. This is wicked. This is ratchet. They took part, and what was one of America's darkest moments in history. They took they had a part in it. And whether it be a small part, or whatever they had a part in it. So what makes them still yet Christian even though some would say they have bad practice. That's what the whole issue is. They will say John Jonathan networks and jobs Whitfield, they didn't really love their neighbor. They didn't love their neighbor. Because if they did they wouldn't have owned slaves our right knowing that kind of economy was can ever Christmas back, then it'd be real. And it'd be honest there were Chris back then who refused to own slaves like you didn't have to own slaves. Like, this wasn't the thing. Whereas you just had to have them like, you know, it was a choice you had a choice and George Whitfield chose. They chose to have slaves where there was other Christians who didn't you know, they refuse to Christians Christians who thought it was only sinful to have. Him and refused to have them. You know? And there was people George Whitfield. Who felt like, hey, you know, I don't find any biblical principle. That says I can't have them, you know. But you know, that was so we have to look at. So now, am I if somebody going to take what I'm saying here to say that it was okay for them to have slaves. No. I mean, I hope you don't hear that from me today. I hope you don't walk leave this podcast for me trying to justify the owning of slaves. You know, but, but I wanna come and be truthful about the scriptures description teaches does the bible declare that is that it is a sin to own slaves to own. Now, we have to be clear now, we know people make arguments special familiar with this I've dealt with people in the conscious community for for a while. And every time the first thing they bring up his guy condone slavery got condone slavery. And that's the blessed makes the bible, so wicked guy. Condone slavery it in the first thing we have to do we have to explain to people how they're different types of slavery be no slavery, and we had to go and make a defense and let people know to slavery to happen in the United States to how they were treated and all that that is something that God did not permit. You know, he'll something he allowed to happen. But it's something that he did not say that this is what people should do, you know, we have to go in indefens- mo- with all of that, you know. And which is true, you know guy. There's plenty scriptures that show how God said people should treat slaves how they should treat them in. If they was to hurt them wish it happen and so forth. But people are sinful people are wicked, you know, and that's just you know. That's that's us. Simple nature. You know? So this is this is one of them subjects. There's going to be tough tough. There's going to be tough. I'm gonna probably going to lose a few subscribers. I mean, I may gain a couple, but at the end of the day at the end of the day, truth matters, regardless of how we feel how emotional mostly driven. We are the truth matters. It matters y'all. So. So get into this is this is it a say now, I'm be the first right now right now to let you know. It's maybe a shocker that song. But in the scriptures in the scriptures in and of itself. Now hear me I'm very clear on what I'm saying here in of itself, the bible doesn't say that owning slaves is a sin. It isn't the MIR. Owning of slaves isn't a San isn't even bible may God gives gives them parameters of how they should deal with slaves. God does never not one time. This guy say if you own slaves, you you're going to hell or you're going to have you know, you'd have no part with me and all that kind of stuff like that. No. He tells them what they should do while they have them. He allowed it to happen got permitted to happen. It was part of his permissive will he permitted people to own slaves. He did in notes and that and that's a reality. We. Have to be willing to own that he did allow that. He did permit that to happen. He gave parameters of how they should go about it. So, you know, this is not something you should just do willy nilly. There's a way to do this and the way of beating them mar unmercifully, and and killing them and social Fords and raping and all that stuff kidnapping and all that wrong wicked evil got himself said it, you know, but you know, that's that's the case. But now just a mere owning of them is the San so now what does George Whitfield and Johnson was guilty of Dan if it's not a sin to merely own a slice. What are they guilty of that we can say something about we're gonna we're gonna look at it. This is why this is going to be a lengthy one because I'm spending time right now trying to build to this argument and Bill to this because the issue John Wood Johnson that was George Whitfield, isn't that they had wrong theology. No one would disagree with that. They believed in the gospel. They preached the guy. Ospel their heart was Fudd. The gospel of fact, George Whitfield one of his arguments for like why slavery is good is because he preached to him. Now. I'm like, well, you could just put it weighs appreciate gospel to African Americans or Africans other than just having them slaves. You know, so like, nah, that ain't the way you should do it. I mean, I feel like he'd probably stretched his his stretches mine and try to find a justification therefore push for slightly in era really didn't need slaves. You know, I'm just throwing it out there. That's that's my nuance. Filling tours is. But you know, like, his his his idea towards sleighs wasn't that they were less than human. He believed they were human like, not like most people say they were animals, and it was you know, they they're like just by property there things, you know, he actually believes they're humans. He saw them for what God had actually created in the b but he wanted to Houston for their labor. You know? It's always like, I man, I okay, I'm gonna say that for the next video say that peninsula 'cause there's a lot of. There's a lot in how I feel about all of that. All right. But I wanna I don't wanna bring my motion sensitive. So let's look it is I I wanna put some scripture you're gonna this'll scripture, and I wanna look at something that would feel have wrote what he wrote was back in seventeen forty. We're gonna take a look at that. And then at it if we got time than I go into some later stuff of here's. But right now, we don't go into that. But we're going to scripture right now ama- pull of eastward out. Party. So even MoMA here. So the first trip I 'cause I want to get right now is exodus twenty one to just real quick. Twenty one. All right now, we know there are different types of slavery district, you talks about different types of slave that exists in the world. Okay. So now for people made the argument about the fact that he he may not have been abusive to its legs and so forth. But the fact that he purchased him, you know, he purchased lives. You know, not have my. Got say, okay. Somebody Santa got echo real bad. Hold on. On echo bed. Wait a minute. Botching allow stream. Can you hear the echo? I mean trying to fix this real quick. Sorry, guys. Maybe that fix it. Hope that fixes it. Testing one two three. Is it going going? Let me know somebody comment. Let me echo was gone. Read comments while away with a proverbial life. Also. Jumped right in there. To own a slave. You know, his kidnap enforce them to work against their will is Jason he we discuss that too. Truth matters, man, a was wrong. 'cause most era but looking back at of God's glory for that. Trying to get from sovereignty. Okay. Better. Okay. All right. Got Mitch Daniels better. All right. Yeah. I'm gonna get into all that appreciate your comments get into. I'm gonna get into that kind of stuff because I have my own feelings towards that. Just being from Christian being just being a Christian at won't Flynn towards that especially comedy, Jason art. So when you buy he Reuss slave he shows serve six years in the seven he still go out free for nothing. So never parameters, but the point I want to look into here was the fact that when you buy abor sleigh, and we know this buying was dealing. You buy something in person serves or by someone in this in the service is to pay that debt to pay off in six years that should be cleared and on the seventy let them go free. Now, this is a permanent that God had given. Now is something that America fulfilled. No, you know, this is something that God gave to the Hebrews the juice. But during this time, there were other types of slavery going on as well, we could slavery, you know, already going on. But this is the premise that God gave or something that was already going on prior to him giving the law so something that was already going on, you know, he just gave parameters to his people being set apart set apart nation, Israel was or is. So so that's looking that. It was another only drama fifteen require. I was gonna take exit twenty one where it talks about you know, man, who sells his daughter into slavery. Now, they're selling also once again, he's selling for money and the daughter works to pay the debt. So that you know, that's what was done. What I say do fifteen. Thirteen fourteen. All right. Now, this this context dealing with Hebrews being sold to one another for for Solis get proper context. So this is not the same. This is not the same as America's slavery. But we'll see just parameter God gave four this is slavery in this types of slavery. So if your brother Hebrew, man or woman is sold to you. He shows serve you six years in seventy year. Let him go free from you. And what you let him go free from you you shall not. Let him go empty handed you shall furnish him liberally out of your flock out of your threshing floor and out of your wine press as lawyer God has blessed you you should give to him you shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt in the lower your God redeemed, you therefore, I command you this today. Now think about something required. Purchase of slaves. When this language of being redeemed like. In the scripture talks about us being bought with a price. I think all this is shadow is shadows. You know, we were we are redacted in this context, Israel, they were slaves Egypt dot com. Redeem them, but he didn't regain them. They became sleighs of his which is also route when they send against him. They were punished, you know, so we all, you know, everybody guy, but you get what I'm saying. Like, he regained them. They were now his he bought him. He took them, you know, they were his people and far being Christians because he's definitely cross. We're bought with a price, and where we were slaves unto sin if we're in Christ where sleighs unto righteousness, you know, this not as you know, I'm. I don't wanna get hold tens of going to why then believe mostly in. The fact we won't lose Vatian and all that kind of stuff like that as beautiful stuff. But it just goes all into it as well. You know like man late. We were bought with a price. We are slaves of Christ. You know? And then we look at Peter will talk at Rick. Peter. Input recoup before us which over which all gonna just pull it up. Peter parameters to that was another good look at New Testament RIC Peterson very interesting. Wanna say I Peter I Peter three. Maybe I Peter two. Mesa the Lord's authority. Suffering for okay. Yeah. I Peter two. I'm put itself. So you've got to see too. All right. So I too. Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as a premium to governors as sent by him to punish those who evil and surprise those who good for this. The will of God that by doing good. You should put to silence the ignorance of foolish. People live as people who are free not using your freedom as a cover for evil, but living starving of guy. Now wanna go down song? Verse verse seventeen I guess might as well just contain reading verse seventeen honor everyone loved the Butler who fear God honour the emperor verse eighteen servants that were there is lace says service, but that word is slaves. This is the site. Where slaves polite that these subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and the gentle, but also to the unjust. So even then during this time where we know that there were people who has lays back, then who treated them unjustly. There was some who did good that. There was both. But then he says four this is a gracious thing. So he gives a reason these he tells the slaves be subject to your masters with all respect and not just good ones, but the bat wants to and it gives a reason for this is a gracious thing when mindful of God one endorse sorrows while suffering unjustly for what credit is it. If when you send and are beaten for it you endure, but if when you do good and stuff for it, you endure this is a gracious thing in the sight of God for to this. You have been called BA. Because Christ also suffered for you leaving you an example. So that you might follow him in his steps he committed no sin. Neither was deceit founded his mouth when he was reviled. He did not revile return when he suffered. He did not threaten but continue entrusting himself to him who judges justly he himself bar stands and his body on the tree that we might to send and live to righteousness by his wounds. You have been hill for you are strain like sheep, but have not returned to the shepherd and overseer of yourselves. So this is something gives us lives with those who are servants even those who are unjust those who are good. What are we to do? And what is the motivation behind it is Christ? But here we don't see. And I don't know appears letter positive. I'm really looking for. Where it calls to them where like gives the command to slave masters. I think is Paul's letter. And I want to say Fiji. Now, I'm gonna go check and see. Fijian's maybe somebody can give you that in the chat. Fijian's six. Obeying earthly masters with fear and trembling with Assira heart as you would Christ not by the way of our service as people, please. But his bond service Christ during the will of God from the heart rendering service with goodwill as to the Lord and not to man knowing that whatever good anyone does this. He will receive back from the Lord where he is upon serving or it's free. If Egypt six nine equations main. Masters. Do the same to them as stop your threatening knowing that he who is both their master and yours is in heaven. And that there is no partiality with him. So partisan cause for the release of slaves. He doesn't call say masters. Let them go. They shouldn't be yours. You know, that that is clear because you're because now crisis died on the cross he's paid all our debts. You know? No. He doesn't call for that. And he says, hey masters used to treat them talk about how you should treat them. You know, be mom for that. You have a master in heaven, and we know people have used to abuse authority all over the place. Like this always happened that I was a part of a coat that passive abused. The scriptures to manipulate us in all those things. But that doesn't mean descriptions himselves false, it doesn't mean a scriptures that were permitted doesn't mean that, you know, saying so that's that's one throw that out there. Ivan came Titus. Titus gave Titus to ninety look that I've brought up Titus two nine ten. Check that out. Sworn win. I did to Titus. Titus to limit required. Title to nine. Bon starving ought to be submissive to their own masters in everything the well, well pleasing argumentative, not pilfering, but showing all good faith. So that and everything they may during the doctrine of God our savior for the grace of God has appeared bringing salvation for all people trying to renounce godliness and worldly passions into live self-control. Right. And God loves the present age, man. All right. So. Yes. So that's another one given to slave slaves. But you know, Paul gives he gives command to slave masters. He tells them how they should treat their slaves for. But when I'm getting embroiled descriptions to ban, the hope he bear with me as I'm looking through these things like can help you out walk with me through this walk me through this. We're not seeing and it's the whole thing. We're not seeing where there's a call that the owning of slaves in the the same. All right. That's the whole thing. Now to answer the question because it was brought up to own a slave that you knows kidnap. Well, you have to them that everyone who bought a slave news that slave happy kidnap because if you do research on the translated slave trade not every slate was kitting out. There were other African tribes selling slaves to to Europeans and the franchise on so forth. Like, this is a known factory -ality. So not every slate was kidnapped the translated slave trade was not a bunch of people going into Africa running down slaves and catching them in ramp and bringing them back to the states. That wasn't the case. You know, there were other trials who own slaves black African tribes who owned slaves selling slave for weapons and all the such to Europeans and everyone else. So this is the truth. So is not the fact that everybody was kicked out now. Even if even if there was knowledge of a slate that was kidnapped and now being sold. As a Christian. If I was in that position. And I had the finances and all that kind of stuff if I know there are people who going to treat this leave unjustly. If I knew there people who's going to treat them wrong. The music Christian would have purchased them. I would have I would have to treat them right in our in our party in giving that timeframe back Dan with using the four then hey, this labor set him free. That's not the case. You know, everybody has my mind. So then was you had Christians who owns slaves and they treated unfairly they treated him good to the point that somebody even wanna go. It's like there are even George Whitfield, and I wanna get into this later on. But I kind of jumped into it now. But if George Whitfield there was a slave who wrote a point and mentioned him called him a happy Sunday. They was happy with him and his and his history was laid. So that they actually found him pretty cool. They liked him. You know, they they want to hear him preach, even though they even your own. Slaves. They knew he treated they knew he they knew he treated them fairly. They knew that about him. You know? So actually enjoyed him. You know? So that's that's something to be said about that. You know that goes into what I'm going to read next. So all this interesting. So I typically six what to look at that scripture from Avondale before going to this with had wrote. Appreciate your comments and everything early predate the pushback, and we know we need to have the conversation. This there's been ongoing for years, and it's going to be continuing continue conversation. All right. So the second was second Timothy. I just don't scriptures out there. He man I Timothy six one two. I timothy. New. Okay. So says for Timothy six one all who are under a yoke as bond severance regard their masters as worthy of all of our honor. So that the name of guy in teaching may not be reviled. Those who have believing masses must not be dispelled for on the ground that they are brothers rather. They must serve all the better sense. Those who benefit by their good service are believers and beloved teach and urged these things. Wow. I've seen this before. But this is interesting. Let's think about this for me. So being slightly think about this. We've been slaving. You're not doing this time. Let's let's be honest here during the time of slavery that were Christians before slavery. So let's go and throw it out there this false notion that people didn't become Christian until slavery. Like, no, there were Christmas prior to slave trade. All right. But there were Christmas who were converted during the slave trade as well. And after the slave trade. So I mean, that's that's all true to its own us think about this being a believer. So, you know, this is new covenant being a believer and under under your of a mass. Who is another believer? This make you wanna serve them say those are them better. So the more and so forth because there are believer their fellow brother the same thing mass. You have a master slave relationship. They're not brothers. I mean, this treatment is a lot better. Not it's better so much better. This is just a a higher handed as point partial working for food and clothing also for versus where you have people just been. Beating brutalized rape to pillage and all that kind of stuff like that. Just because it looked at as being less than human. But as you know, and that's the case for precious Bill. This thing before I get into George will wrote. Let's let's go back a little bit. Let's backtrack because all these giving here how bonds be towards a masters. We get that. About one four what was said earlier, Paul starting. How message to treat this lives? So the conviction to masters who owned slaves, regardless of what type of because he doesn't get into what type of slavery. He's talking about. He's on slavery in general that we don't as a context it's not ignoring that. There's a context of this kind of slaves that was going on back, then, you know, all kinds of like that. And what was going on enrollment was going on in those areas? There's a context all that. So not ignoring that are, but we're talking about those who are have slaves and they'll have masters. You know, this is this is what happens you have those who are unjust, those who are just you have those good and bad. How is it for though, if a for believing slave how they should behave how they should be. You know, this is not in the notice that this is not because this is not to the glory of man is to the glory of God. This is looking at God being the one who were looking to as being the one who's being pleased by our actions. Not the man, okay. That's how we should see. Same thing masters, those who own slaves how they treat sleighs not not just because there are people. But the fact that they have a master themselves who watches them and holding them accountable. So they're they're parameters here, and we can nor those can ignore those now. So the question goes back to. Owning slaves which even on Jason when come into earlier he acts the question without answering. The question. You like he says if you know they were kidnapped right Yoder kidnap social leaking. So he's even his question. He gives a parameter will only their kidnap. So what about the ones who aren't kicking were bought and sold? You know, what about them is is in is it sinful to buy them? You don't see the inner self? We got go back to the natural question in and of itself is owning slaves saying, and you can be you can be emotional about the answer you give. But the truth remains is it a in and of itself to own slaves and the answer is no, there's no there's no scripture. That's structual preference. That says that is a sin to own slaves. There was a sand in how you treat them and saying how you behave to them how you deal with them. But it's not a sense own. Now, thankfully praise God. That's not going on today guy used all those things for his glory in even to buy his providence where we are today. He used all of that he permitted here. Loud. It it. Oh here. We are today where? They're still slavery going on there in some other part of the world they're in China in India L places in Africa. There's still slavery going on in not the kind of slavery. That's going on the bible. Either is not you know, said people are being beaten, you know, people being mistreated holocaust going on. We have that still going on today in America. It's not America's not going on today in price. Got that was God's providence praise. God for that. That's not going on today. It's not so thankful for that. But the question those back to when it comes to George Whitfield John networks because they own stays that discredit them as being a Christian, and I will say, no, it does not it does them owning slaves. Does it discredit them from being a Christian? Now this for a long time. And this hasn't come from promise. Somebody's gonna look at this and be like man you being influenced by what event evangelical Liz. And all that kind of you just you just Kooning you say what you want. You can say what you want. But I've with this for a long time looking at scripture looking at scripture like now, I'm looking at I'm having people over and over again that bringing up this New Testaments Rich, Paul he gives parameter how these massive treat their slaves and all that stuff and not one time. Not what time does he call for them to let them go. He does it in Old Testament competent, let them go matter of fact, God even says only time regular, beater slave even tests. Let's let's let's be real. And they'll testament when guys when when there's a disciplined needs to go for slave. Goss as if they break a too, if you bust brecca tooth, we reckon arm or anything like that let him go. But what about if nothing broken whatever you slap them? That's life. That's life is not is not until something is broken. Or or you know, or something is broken or lost to something like that where they're going. They're let free, you know, other than that there to serve until that time is up that debt is clear. So that's that's even that's what that's the premise that. God put for you know. So we know we have to admit and deal with the fact that there are things that got allowed. But what is the reason for it is all quarter to his glory? Now how that all works out? We don't know. But we see the benefit. I mean, we see benefit later on down the line different things that took place. They're all works out for his good for his glory. So I mean, we have to we have to be honest with those things and deal with them. But we can't deal with this many most standpoint because we deal with this emotional standpoint, we won't rely on the word of God to be I our final Dory. That's where it comes down to when it came to Martin Luther King, even though he was pushing for integration. His he denied the deity of Christ. He did not the virgin birth. He denied the Tri Tri nature of guy not things he were ignorant of he was very research. But he denied these things these are essential. Does he denied the gospel? He said Martin Luther King said that men and guy but work together to deal with sending the world. So the issue segregation, guess what Martin Luther King was putting hope in men is putting hoping men to get it done. It got will do the rest like men do that part in do the rest putting hoping concerning the host of rights movement. Now, the civil rights movement bad, of course, not prince God guy used it. He used all of it. But if we look at the individual, the individual, the whole behind everything was not one that was focused on Christ as the center, it wasn't let's truth of it hard truth, but it's the truth. But now you have George Whitfield networks, but we're going to see that their heart was always Kreis. True opposite. When you work job you a hired. So you pay off your debt yet true? And let's be let's be honest like when it when sleighs are being sold. It was flames are being transferred from Africa slowed than soda into slavery here. You know? That's no, they're not trying to pay off debt they were already slaves. And now, they're so into slavery. You know? So now, they're slaves for the money that the masters ball to get them into keep them, you know, saying so that's what they're now being slaves to so it's not pay off for that point. They they've been bald just like anything just like when it comes to Christ. We're not bald. We're not bought with a price in Christ just for a certain amount of time where we're both for the rest of return ity if we're in Christ, we're for holy trinity. That's why that's why I don't believe we can lose salvation if we are truly if we're truly in Christ. There were bought without a price not to be giving up later on but forever and no saying, so if we're slaves to San where we are sleigh to San forever. Unless we're unless the sunsets free. You know? So let's let's be clear about that. And so anyway, this going here and look at George Whitfield letter here, you know, amber, I'm hoping even if you don't agree. I'm just hoping that you really listen a here was being said are there questions that are being posed? All right because if anybody gives pushback, I'm hoping it's going to be with as being said, all right. So let's look at this. All right. So this is from the Cyclope Virginia a letter has you see here. A letter from the Reverend Mr. George Whitfield to the inhabitants of Maryland, Virginia, north and South Carolina. So now keep in mind of he's not from here. He was he's not from Georgia is in Greece in Great Britain. He would travel between Britain in America. He he would travel back and forth. So he's been through the Carolina. He's been in these places, and he's saying how these people treated slaves, and so he's writing a letter to them. And this was in the this was on the Benjamin Franklin gazette as says the Pennsylvania gazette. Benjamin Franklin's you see there. Seventeen forty the dates at the top here actually gonna read from the actual. I wanna just talk about a little bit how they used to write back then. And how they were words I'm so thankful that our English language has developed to where it is today. Man. There's not any language is difficult now. But I can't imagine trying to talk back how they did or right back how they did here. So we're gonna actually read from here could re from this this portion here, which is English. But it's a lot more that he said in here, then this gives credit to so I mean, I'm okay reading that that would give enough but actually when read from here, so y'all just bare some time zoom into this. We're gonna look at it. All right now, I'll try to find a way that I can actually expand this guy and make your full page. But it wouldn't give me an option to try to find another another thing of this. And I have the time look at it. So look it up. So here we are this. So. Women go all in. All right. So this is this is as you title in here in a letter from the Reverend Mr. George Whitfield all right to the inhabitants of Maryland, Virginia, north and South Carolina. So you know, that's what it is. Who was from check seeking job me to see that. Okay. Oh, yeah. I think I'll read that just fine. Read the just fine. All right. Cou. Now, you see this on his word is like path P A F F E D, you're gonna see that a lot. And when you see these two letters actually to be they're gonna come out to be s later on. So it's literally I lately passed through your Providence's. But it's going to say path. You don't see that through a lot of the words. So if I wanna read it. So says lately passed through your providence, you're provinces in my way hitter. I was. Sensibly touch. So you see the F E N F B L Y that supposedly sensibly. I was sensibly touched with a fellow filling. Of the miseries of the poor negroes. Could I have preached more frequently amongst you? I should have delivered my thoughts in my public discourses. But as my. Business, but has my business here. What is business here required me to stop as little as possible? On the road. I have no other way to discharge the concern rich at preference of present laws upon my heart. So he's expressing he's expressing their some that some grievances that he has. There's there's some debts grievances that he has concerning them in their deport negroes. Are he called importantly, grossly? So it doesn't concern seventeen forty. Okay. So this is before that was before any kind of advocating for slavery, Georgia. This is just in these days that this time slavery is not in Georgia. This time, you know, hasn't been a law here. I mean, you know at the time so this before that so this is just to Maryland, Virginia north or South Carolina. All right. All right. So what he says? Then by sending you this letter how how you will receive it. I know not. So he said, I don't know how you gonna receive about to say, I I don't know whether you will accept it in love or be offended with me as the matter of the damsel was with Paul for casting, the evil spirit out of her when he saw the hope of his gain was gone. I am so. I am not using this parallel. You remember? So this passage in acts where on par cats spirit of this woman. And she was a diviner. She was the one who like a medium if you would and he cast out the devil. He cast this evil spirit in her. And now she no longer could make money for these people and they were mad at Paul. They were mad. They tried to get him. They tried to get rid of him because they ruined his money. So so now with fillers using apparently saying, look, you know, y'all y'all get mad at me think I'm trying to make you lose money because I'm telling you, the tell you how feeling you know. 'cause basically people feel like they don't mistreat the slaves. They won't they won't work, and they won't get there. They won't aren't they want the benefit of their fruit to their labor, but with feels hey, maybe go get mad at me. Just like that person got mad at Paul. I am uncertain whatever. Whatever be the events. I must. I must inform you in the meekness and gentleness of Christ that I think God has a coral with you for your abuse. That were is abuse. It looks like a booth, but it's abuse of cruelty to the poor negroes. So he's rebuking them for how they treated the slaves. He's been. Whether it be lawful for Christ's. The oh now, this is the thing. Now, this is as he says here whether it be lawful for Christmas to buy slaves. And thereby encourage the nation's from whence they are brought to be at perpetual war with each other. I shall not take upon me to determine so that sounds so difficult, but basically saying whether or not it's wrong to buy slaves. He's he's he's not determine that. That's not he's not for him to determine he's not saying that he says this store I am. It is sinful. And that looks like fend for it is sinful win bought to use them as bad name worse than as though they were brutes now as reading for what I can see there. So it's like the Bentley treating bat like he knows for sure like he doesn't know whether or not extend to buy slights for Christmas. But he do not simple to treat them bad. He does know that much so he's expressing his concern here. And these are his words right now, you say well know, you knew is Rhona by slaves. But once again, I go back to X before does Chris give where it says actually simple to buy slaves. And during this time they were setting on. And I mean, you know, like, I say, no, I'm not trying to go back in that tangent. Again, you heard what I said. But he said sure, I am it is wrong to treat them wrong. All right. And whatever particular exceptions. There may be as I would terribly hope there are arc psalm. And he's on the substance. He saying that there are some people who aren't treating them bad. He sang these exceptions. He's talking about people who may treat them bad. So these writings to those who do treat them wrong. But he's saying there are some exceptions. He said whatever particular sections that may be he he surely hope there there are some he hopes that there are some who aren't treating them bad addressing those who are he says, I fear generally of you that that own slaves of only grows are loud to such a charge. So we say though, I hope they're some that -ception generally the generality of. Of you that only grows are is just this charge against you. Treat them wrong for your slaves. I believe work as hard if not harder than the horses. Where on you ride that you treat your YouTube sleighs worse than your horses? He said these of read that these after they have done their work are fed and taking proper care of horses the horses that they done their work. They're taking proper care of after they have done their work are fed into proper care of but many negroes win wearied with labor in your plantations have been obliged to grind their own corn after they return home to even after they worked harder your plantations. They stood to go home did work harder. Just to him the feed themselves your dogs. Your dog's care for caress. Your dogs are caressed and fondled at your tables, but your slaves who are frequently styled dogs frequently starting but it's worth starred this. What people see demands they call them. This is how they deal with them. They frequently star dollars or bee's. Have not an equal privileged. So used you look at you look like they're less than human their dogs. But you treat your dog's betting you do them. So he's he's really he's really laying into them is they don't have you don't get any privileged. They are fierce says they are scares not fierce the scarce. They are scarce permitted to eat to pick up the crumbs which fall from their masters tables, nee some as I have been formed by an eyewitness have been upon the most trifling provocation. Is it okay? About trifling provocation cut with knives. And have folks thrown into their flesh. Not to mention what numbers have been given up to the inhuman usage of cruel taskmasters who by their unrelenting scourges have plowed upon their bags and made long furrows and linked brought them even to death itself is true. I hope there are few such monsters of barbarity suffered two sub subsets. I wanna say subsist among amongst you. Some here have been lately executed in Virginia for killing slave. So even so during this time. For people who kill slaves ever junior. They were sentenced to death themselves. And the laws are very severe against such who at anytime murder them. All right. So I want to read that required. I wanna read that. And hope. That was clear. I'm trying to read this old English. But like he went he went the man like he went at them. You know, selling for doing that, you know, he wanted them hard lie higher treat them now. And he's honest. He's also really saying he's talking Christian whether it be wrong to buy them into the self is not me for me to determine he's he basically, I don't know. But I do know what I am. Sure of is that it's wrong to beat them mistreat them and treating them worse than you do your own dogs and animals like as wrong, and he's read on later, you know, you can put links, you know, what I would do that. Now, I'm going to link to that site in the description, so you can read you can read further yourself. I don't have the link showing. So I'm gonna do that for you guys. I want you to see it yourself AB read along read the whole thing. But I won't use the check sources I'm using a can go back and look at it too. So let me go bay. Yeah. So we see that. He was he was a guest how they treated how treated slaves. All right now. This was seventeen forty. So this isn't later on when he starts talking about pushing slavery for Georgia and stuff like that. This is different right? We want to just be fair to that. This is his thoughts towards it. But now, we also see that he actually doesn't really believe that it's wrong to own slaves. So given the charges against him as far as not being a Christian or less than a Christian than Martin Luther King is kind of like, you know, bankrupted that point it really is. If your whole thing of him, not being a Christian is because he owned slaves, then we have the proof stretcher that it's a sin in sell to own slaves. And because this is something that we can't see for scripture in the two slaves. Then that is that right there that charge bankrupt. Now, if you got something that says what he treated them on so forth. That's one thing. Now, I'm saying that before even getting into the next part? Now, we're gonna get into the next part? We're gonna we're gonna. To get into him talking about when he he builds his or furniture in Georgia, the economy's bad, and he's gonna his push for slavery. This about this wrong seventeen forty six. So there's about six years later seven years later, now slavery, isn't reinstated. Enjoying stated in Georgia until seventeen fifty one. So there's still a few years before even happens. He died seventeen seventy. So he does get to see it actually take place in Georgia. You know, he's not from here. You know, he wasn't. He wasn't a born and raised in Georgia in the states or come here in the colony he will travel back and forth. That's what he would do. So anyway, put this scripture RIC. They're right there paste. Alright save. Coups y'all should be able to see that on the doctor to see that on channel. Refresh your page whatever you are. So I'm only about about hitting our marks for now at I hope that was helpful. You know, I know some people washes they're going to disagree, and that's all good. You know, I, you know. I feel you. I do you know what I'm saying? But I just hope that can do not to come at this from a for many motion standpoint, you know, we gotta come with scripture. Let's look at the scriptures. Now what I've read today. Recruited share also from the community district distributes truth U2., you're still giving us scriptures of how bond service should be towards their masters. But also how Paul said how to be towards their slaves duty an Old Testament, God, permitted slavery. And how he gave her remers, you know. And I didn't I didn't get all the scriptures. We're talking about if you beat slave which happen if you kill him. What happened like man like, there's consequences for mistreating slaves. You know, it's countries from treating each other period, you know? So the argument go in this give close to this section of this is a part one that will be a part two so stay tune. There's not the end of the conversation. So don't be discouraged. If you like tomato losses mind discouraged us yet. Just check on the next one. Let's let's let's continue to have the conversation. No, just like a breath. It's okay. It's gonna be all right. But but notice like in that time, this will not notice the whole, okay? Why say was this? The argument is that Winfield Edwards didn't love their neighbor because they own slaves. They didn't truly love their neighbor and Martin king, though, he has some heretical beliefs some some downright radical beliefs. He still yet loved his neighbor. And that was it now Martin Luther that we look at it. And it was like man him being the charge with him being antisemitic. But we saw that actually is false of him being antisemitic. But it's true that man he lacked in the love department when it came to the Jews his way of wanting to convert them to Christianity was totally. I'm biblical was Christ went for at all something that scripture doesn't go for at all. But that's what he was feeling and that was a frustration. If you look at his early writings with the Jews before that he was very loving to them, very, caring, very compassionate. But somewhere along the line, he got frustrated got really really deep in his flesh. And just like couldn't stand them. And it wasn't because they were Jews at Nick f. Knit ethnically just butchered that word, but is because they worked they they didn't work Jesus. They they were guest trinity. They'll get the central Christian doctrines and truce, and and that's how he dealt with them. But notice it wasn't just the juicy dealt with that he doesn't like that with Martin Luther dealt with like that to the papers and to the Anna Baptist. You know? So it wasn't just the Jews. He was like that with now. So that doesn't take it away from being wrong. How he was. But as it shows that it wasn't because he was racist. That's the issue wasn't racist. He just man he lacked in love department, like he he truly needed the Holy Spirit to really come in and change, his heart knows from for being evil and wicked towards them in his heart even against them to loving, their you know in providence within the law work him through. But it is true that he believed the gospel people leave the gospel, you know, and we we believe the gospel to be true. Then though, we still have. Laws which a lot of us still. Do we have flaws perfect? What we have to allow that the possibility of him truly being a Christian is actually. So you know, what? I mean. It's possible he could really truly been Christian. Do we know for? Sure. No. I can't say we know for sure say not signing him because we're not called to know for sure of anyone invasion stuff our own. We must be sure of our own salvaging. But given the evidence that were there in the fruit that he bear is like, yeah, I can pretty much say that he probably was he was a Christian just man I came to that area in that time. He was he was definitely going through stuff wrong. You knew your needed to repent. He need the turn it from that. And I pray that he did, you know? But if he didn't if you still continue with this this this overzealous idea towards these false teachings something that were cast into hell. I wouldn't say so not giving the gospel with the gospel teaches. Now the gospel teaches, but Jesus does say unless you believe that I am then you have no part with me. And that's the charge against Martin Luther King. And that's just that's unfortunate. That's something. I don't feel happy about Sanders. Don't need a problem. Let's stand to me. You know, I've always considered him to being a being Christian that he was Christian man called Reverend Dr Martin Luther King. So I mean, I was considering to be a Christian solo realizing that later on my life is like man, I wish he believed in the Lord, man. I really I really wish that, you know, and you know, he argued from silence. Maybe he did we just didn't read about it. And he didn't say anything. But you know, that's argument for silence, and I wanna argument. Silence. Neither one of these guys, you know, but just giving evidence as a as given trying to be fair cross the board with that. So with that being said, we're at our time y'all this has been helpful please describe if you want if you wanted to team compensation if you wanna look to this more I'll be posted every week wins even going live and posting the extra strain on Thursdays. So please check that out. Comments. You can call me eight oh, one hundred sixty three thirty three Email me as well. Once again, if he wants to port this ministry, please consider part of the patron. I really appreciate it. Thank you for your prayers. 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Faith Flourishing Freely: An Interview with Eric Metaxas

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Faith Flourishing Freely: An Interview with Eric Metaxas

"Hey Everybody Greg Laurie here. You're listening to the Greg Laurie podcast and my objective is to deliver hopefully compelling practical insights and faith, culture and current events from a biblical perspective to find out more about our ministry. Just go to our website harvest dot org, so thanks for joining me for this podcast. All right, let's welcome Eric Metaxas. Good to have you here Eric. This hold it. However, you WANNA hold it. I'm thrilled to be here. It's so fascinating people indoors at the campus. They're outside drinking coffee. Yeah, that's about that's not. That's not scriptural. SCRIPTURAL brother I hate to rebuke you and your people. So? Eric. Yes, you were raised your parents. Do they come directly from Greece to the United States? No, my father came from Greece. United States. My mother came from Germany. They met in an English class in New York City in the mid fifties. Yeah and they were married and I was born in I. Always say if you're raised half Greek and half, German. That means you will be raised Greek. I. Don't know why, but that's just the way it breaks down. I was raised in the Greek. Orthodox Church. And yes, correct, so my big. Fat Greek wedding the film the thing with access to that now. Never ahead now you're kind of weird watching film like that like it was in some ways it was a blessing, and in other ways it was kind of cartoon version, so it was, but you know nominee people. Greek culture is not something you see represented in film right? Jewish culture Italian culture tons Greeks. So that's so. We liked that movie because it portrays. But except for the index thing, so your parents worked very hard to send you to college. You went to Yale University. I went to yeah. It's interesting I. Mean Basically I was raised in a Christian home but I. Let me take that back. I was raised going to church every Sunday, but it was for me was mainly a cultural experience for a Lotta. People especially. If you're an ethnic like if you're Italian Catholics or your Irish Catholics. Kind of just go because that's what you do. In our case the Greeks go to the Greek church, but I never learned like the Gospel reading a scripture learn to pray all that born again. Stuff I didn't get any of them. By the time I went to college, which was a university, which is a very intensely secular environment. I realized I. Don't have a clue. What I actually believe I didn't really know. Wasn't yellow. Italy founded by Kristen. yes, it was and they quickly a changed from being a devoutly Christian organiser. College to being. Very secular and confused, so you graduated from Yale and you? What did you major in? I was an English Major. Yeah, that's the key to my story is that? I was an English Major. So when I graduated I floundered I wanted to be writer so floundered and then I floated. And then listen carefully and then I drifted. And and when you do those things, there is no doubt what will happen to you. You understand this like a mathematical theorem. You will move back in with your parents. So I moved back in with my parents and things were so bad I mean 'cause. I always say that you know you're. You're trying to be a writer. You're confused. What's the meaning of life? What's going on whatever you know? My pants like work their butts off to put me through one of the finest colleges there is so American parents would always like. Oh, it's so Nice Eric Finding himself and my parents attitude be like yeah, you should find yourself a job like and get out and get Outta here. Because like what's the problem, so it was a hard time for me, but that was the year that it was so hard that I became a Christian. Yeah, it was so painful turned to God. Yeah, and it was. Funny though, isn't it? Nobody likes to suffer. But it's God can use that to get our attention. And that was the year actually that he totally my day was a horrible year. No joke was just awful. I killed some people. I shouldn't say that, but it's true. Two of them needed killing no really bad bad people. They were bad people, but no, it was such a hard year. By them, kidding just so then getting, they didn't need killing. But the point is that. I was so messed up like I didn't. It wasn't like I was doing some big sin. It was just it was just like I was just so lost confused and it was horrible. I've always struggled with depression. And that was part of it I mean it was just a bad bad time, and this guy started sharing his faith with me and I've been trained at Yale to avoid these people because they're insane, pointing Christians or not. And but I was in enough pain. That is like I. Keep Talking. Keep talking and literally after a year of me kind of holding this guide arm's length. I had a dream which you can see on my website. It's an IM second video. They were I. Tell The story of this dream, but it's a totally mind blowing dream Jesus revealed himself to the dream in a way that was like completely mind blowing and I was totally born again overnight. Yeah. You live you live in. I backslid slid and now MC nonstick Oh yeah. I forgot unfortunately, yes, so I shouldn't really be. Maybe there can be a real commitment to try for this interview over whether we'll get it all right. Okay So you've written this book if you can keep it, yes, in its subtitle. WHOA, there goes. The BUCKO kids subtitled the forgotten promise of American liberty. Another is interesting. Where you got the title of this book. It was a statement made by Benjamin Franklin. How did that come about? The title of the book is if you can keep it and I. Didn't know this story, so don't feel bad if you don't know the story, but when I heard the story I was embarrassed that I had never heard this before so I hope you are embarrassed, eventually but this is one of these things in all joking. Aside I mean everything in this book. The reason I wrote the book was because I realized that I didn't really understand what it means to be American and that we have not been teaching for last forty fifty years. Really what it means to be an American, and that's an understatement I mean it's. It's very bad, so I believe that we're becoming America in name only because. America is an idea, right? We're not an ethnic group. Anybody like my mom and dad can come from foreign countries, so this country and they can become as American as George Washington if they buy into these ideas right and but if you're not teaching these ideas than whose American you're just American in name, only, and so the title comes from Benjamin Franklin was walking out of the constitutional convention seventeen eighty seven right, they created the constitution. They create our form of government, but and it's hard again. If you. If you read the book, you'll get this because it's kind of shocking. We don't really get how shocking it is that this idea of self government. It was the wildest idea in the history of the world. Nobody had ever govern themselves in the history of the. We all go like what's the big problem like it's normal. It's not normal. Normal is to be ruled from above by king or some desperate or some bureaucracy in Brussels or Washington, or whatever believe me really having liberty didn't exist in the history of the world until in seventeen, seventy six that came up this crazy Eddie and seventy seven. They wrote this this constitution so. It was such a rare idea that most people didn't believe it was possible and that this is this is what I'm saying. It's like. Don't take it for granted because it shouldn't work. Frankly okay, but for reasons are going to a minute. They thought they might be able to do it, but nobody knew what they were doing inside that building. In Independence Hall that during during that summer, nobody was allowed inside. was, top secret, there was a big see on the outside of the building and nobody. Nobody knew what it stood for. Isn't that weird? Isn't that what you think? What is wrong with these people? That's true. That is absolutely not true so. So, they're in this building. And when they when Benjamin Franklin walks out at the end of this, he was eighty two I guess the oldest member of the constitutional convention. A woman asks him because they really didn't know she says. What have you given us? A monarchy or republic now keep in mind that, because we had never had a republic true liberty in the history of the world ever they may well have gone into the building and said. We're going to try to work this out, but it doesn't seem like we can pull it off. We're GONNA have to have. Some form of soft monarchy. You won't be King. George, the third governing us from across the ocean, but we're GONNA have some monarchy and maybe a parliament or whatever, but nobody dreamt really that they could pull this off, so she asked him. What have you given us a monarchy republic and he says a Republic Madam if you can keep it and when I first heard that. That I thought Oh. That's kind of cute. You know like as if they were ever GonNa. Ever monarchy, and then I realize no, no, they really could have had a monarchy, and then when he says if you can keep it I. Think Oh, that's cute to like you saying a republic Madam. If you can keep it, you know and it's like no, he was saying. I and the men in that building are aware of the outrageous fragility of what we have just created, and if you the American people genuinely govern yourselves, which takes some doing, you have to understand how it works, and you have to be active. If you do that, you'll keep the republic you don't do that. You'll slide back into being governed from above or from. That's the normal state of human affairs is that somebody will govern you you just like step back a little bit. They'll fill the vacuum real quick, and so he had no idea if this was going to work, and this is why when they say was an experiment in liberty. They weren't being cute that it was an experiment. They had no idea if it would work and this idea if you can keep it, my thesis is that we have not been keeping it for forty or fifty years. We're on fumes like a car. That's on fumes. We've been keeping it for for two hundred years. But we have forgotten to teach our kids about the glorious -ness of what we have, and when we talk about American exceptionalism. We're not saying we're better. We're seeing. These ideas are a gift from God and they are exceptional. Go Talk to somebody in North Korea and you know it's just. So it doesn't mean we're any more than when you're Christian. You don't say I'm better because I know Jesus. Jesus, you know your chief among senators right? I've been blessed with self-government. I've been blessed with these ideas. I know I don't deserve them anymore than anybody in the world, world deserves them so I have a gratitude and an understanding I have been given this incredible gift and biblically. We're blessed to be a blessing right so this is that we've got to teach this over and over and over again so that. That! We can keep the republic so that we can bless the world with these ideas, because we're not supposed to hold these ideas self, so if you can keep, it is a challenge because I believe, as I said, we've not been keeping it. We're on the verge of becoming America in name only I don't say this for hyperbole. Perfect unfortunately I. Think this is true that we've been we've been. We've been coasting for forty or fifty years, and we are at the very edge of losing the liberty that we have. In your book talked about something. You call the Golden Triangle of freedom that sort of. Explanation of what makes America unique in a way, it is yeah, the Golden Triangle of freedom is the concept all the founders understood this concept, every single one of them understood it, but the term the Golden Triangle of freedom. was coined by my friend. Guinness some of. His books And when I heard them talking about this, I thought to myself. He's saying that all the founders understood this as the heart of self government, but I've never heard this in my life I grew up in America and went to decent public schools I went to Yale University where they actively teach against these ideas. We've I've missed this. We've almost this. I said I've got to start talking about this, so here's what the idea is. The Golden Triangle Freedom. All of state at briefly and then I'll explain it. The Golden. Triangle freedom briefly is. Self government or. Liberty requires virtue. Virtue, requires faith and faith in turn requires freedom so round around and goes now. What do we mean by that okay? Freedom self-government requires virtue. All the founders talked about this. They all right about and I. Quote them in the book. They all understood that self government and liberty requires virtue. I never heard this in my life. I never heard this in public schools never heard this history class surly, never heard about it in college. Virtue is mocked like virtue who talks about virtue. All of the founders said. Unless you have virtue unless you basically are a people of virtue, you won't govern yourself. You will need to be governed from without. Somebody will govern you with a sword with a with a gun. They're going to govern you. They're going to force you to do the right thing. That's the way it's been since the history of humanity that somebody governs you by force so to be self-governing to do the right thing without having somebody governed. You requires virtue. Never heard it in my life so when I was going to start saying this I thought okay, so this makes sense. This is true, and then you're telling me every single. One of the founders understood this as A given and as a fundamental requirement for American liberty period case closed not as extra credit, but like it doesn't work without this. So when I got that I was kind of blown away and I. Think something's wrong like I've never heard this never okay, so he says freedom requires virtue virtue in turn requires. Faith, all of the founders understood that there's some people of faith who don't act with virtue, and that there's some people who act with virtue who have no faith, but by and large, all of the founders observed that communities of strong faith. had. The capacity for virtue and self government that communities without strong faith not have they observed this? They observed that whenever revival broke out George Whitfield talk about him in the book. The great evangelist he preached up a number thirteen colonies for decades and the second, the first great awakening broke out in the colonies in the eighteenth mid eighteenth century, and whenever revival broke out, crime, went down over and over and over, and over they watched it over and over and over, and so pretty soon you start saying well, the yeah, there's a correlation people who love Jesus commit fewer crimes. Drunkenness goes down. Stuff happens, so they said if we want a virtuous populous, which is necessary for self government, we know that faith is important, so, but here's the third piece. Faith in turn requires freedom meaning. We can't force the faith. The government cannot force faith because true faith, and you'll know this is free. If the government forces you to go to church or forces you to not go to church forces you to go to that church, but not that shirt you're you to go to synagogue or a mosque, or whatever it is if the government does that, your faith is not free, so it's not real you're just. You're just following the rules because you have to. For faith to be truly free. You need freedom of religion so that the government basically says we're not gonNA take. We're going to encourage faith generally, but we're not going to force anybody to do anything. It's totally on you just like the free market. We gotta take our thumb off the Scales and just let the people decide. And the miracle is that when you let people do as they like, then the truth can win out right if you have a level playing field kind of like the free market right, why does the Best Company usually win? Because people can just choose who's given us the best service, the best products whatever when you have the Fremont when you have real freedom, so when you? You have freedom ideas. The cream rises to the top, so they said we need freedom of religion, so people can choose the religion they want freely, and then when we have faith flourishing freely, virtue will arise and self government will come out of it. That's the only way this can work, so that's the Golden Triangle of freedom. I rip it off from Oz. Guinness that. That was his term. I dedicated the book to him, so he doesn't sue me because I, think he. He's got grounds to sue me. But honestly. When I heard this I, said you mean to tell me every one of the founders agreed on this everyone when I say everyone not the Christian everyone Benjamin Franklin Thomas Jefferson everyone said. This is the only way that it can. Can work the only way that it can work that. Can you imagine that they all agreed on this and we're not teaching this in our schools. Like what in the world happened? Because we act like well, this will just go on forever, but as Franklin Says No. If you stop keeping it goes away and that's why I think we're on the verge of losing it. I think we've gone from freedom of religion, many ways to freedom from religion, where those who have faith are discriminated against direct and a lot of times people say we know it's the separation of church right date, and they act as though that's in the constitution itself, but in your book you print out the origin of the statement of the wall of separation between Church and state explain what that actually well first of all concept of separation of church and state is an American concept, but but we have misunderstood it again for roughly forty or fifty years fundamentally misunderstood it. Separation of church and state is just what I said freedom of religion. The state must keep its hands away from the church, not that that we have to have a secular America on the contrary in order for freedom and faith to flourish, the government has to stay out of it so soon as the government starts telling you what to believe whether secular or Christian or Muslim, as soon as the government starts telling you what? What to believe, the whole thing dies right, so people have misunderstood this concept of separation of church and state, and they've interpreted that Oh what they're really means is that there's supposed to be no faith in the public sphere, no faith in the government, no fake that is utterly contradictory to what every single one of the founders believed, and we have been living for forty or fifty years with this understanding in the popular, culture. In in government, it's a scandal, because not only. Is it wrong? It's literally the opposite of what the founders meant by the separation of church and state. Now you make an ominous statement. Impeach fifty three of your book you write. That America could potentially go off the cliff, and you compared it to one of those cartoons where the characters running off, and they're still running through mid air. Realize off the cliff. You know and you say we're almost to that point. What do you mean by that? Okay? What are what I mean by that is that when when Franklin says if you can keep it. It's kind of like a flower right if you cut a flower and put an Avaz, everybody says Oh. It's so beautiful. Everything's great look beautiful. It is well. You know when I know. It's dying like it's. It's disconnected from its roots. It's going to die. It doesn't die instantly. There's a season where it can keep looking beautiful and wonderful whatever. It's no different than a car running on fumes. I mean the fact is that. You don't you don't just end just like that right now. We are culturally living on fumes. We are not teaching this in the school. So why does it kind of continue? Because it's still sort of in the system? It's still here. It's going away. Just go talk to young people. Today you took the my generation. We didn't. We didn't learn this stuff but I'm saying if you've got gray hair chances. Are you heard this if you went to? To Public School in the fifties, the forties of the thirties. You probably got this and you had whole culture that celebrated this stuff even if he didn't get it in school, the points it was celebrated in the culture, we celebrated the heroes of the revolution. We celebrated Paul. Revere, we all knew. Paul, reveres, ride on the eighteenth of April and seventy, five Harley man is now alive. I mean all these poems were part of the culture the culture. Reinforced all of these ideas of the founders and liberty, and how it worked and. In songs and poems and stories and celebrations, it's part of the warp in the wolf of a healthy culture, but the culture kind of got sick in the sixties. Something happened where we started saying. Wait a minute, we we've got these bad things in our culture. These bad things that we did now as Christians. We know it's really healthy to acknowledge your sins right. It's healthy because when you acknowledge it. When you see it, you can repent. And then God can sweep it away, and you can rejoice that you have put that behind you, but the voice of the enemy is the voice of the accuser, and he wants to say look at Your Sin Look at Your Sin Look at Your Sin Look at Your Sin Look at your sin to beat you down with it, and I really believe something happened in the culture, forty or fifty years ago where we started the cultural elites in. In a way started saying we don't want to have. American heroes anymore because we don't have a lot to be proud of and instead of saying like yes, this was wrong. And we repent. They kept sort of over, and over beating us over the head with our sins or cultural sins are shortcomings, so that instead of having a healthy sense of pride, and I mean a healthy sense of pride did just like any culture you go to Greece? Is, a Greek American. They're teaching you about the heroes of the Greek Revolution and eighteen, twenty one and the heroes of Ancient Greece, and there's something healthy about celebrating the best of who you are. That kind of began to end in the sixties and we've stopped doing that and to me. That's a sign of deeply sick society. Because if you're not celebrating, what is good and you keep. Keep beating yourself over the head about what is bad. It's kind of like if you have a kid, and you never praise him, and you keep reminding him of what he did wrong. Remind and remind them and ruin your crushing. That gives the opposite of love. It is judgment right when you judge somebody to love them is call them to their higher self, and so we've not been. In any kind of a healthy way, teaching our kids to love their country, and if you don't love your country, you're sick. Something's wrong and so that's happened over and over and over again so that we're at a point now where I think we have a couple of generations that don't understand this stuff and that we're. We're Americans in name only and so you start understanding. It's all very fragile, and if we don't keep it and remind ourselves what it is and keep, it's kind of like a garden. If you don't keep it, keep it. Keep it. Keep it. Keep it. Keep it. Keep it dies, and I believe we are perhaps two days away from. To put a bright note on it. Actually. You make this statement in your book. You can keep twenty-first-century century. America has generally returned to the eighteenth century. French rationalists now, right? What does that mean I don't know? I, didn't I didn't that part? It sounds good. I have staff. That wrote that I don't know what that means. Well what it means is that. The founders understood that without faith. To Tocqueville, some of you narrow about this in the book. Alexis de Tocqueville Frenchman came here in the eighteen thirties so fifty years after the revolution. He comes here to see. Why are things working so well in America? And what he observes. Is that this shocking thing? The exact opposite of what happened in France. They revolution data revolution, but in their revolution freedom was the enemy of the church the enemy. They hated each other. They worked against each other because their version of the church. Was this authoritarian? You know kind of like the state. Run Church like this -Tarian so here he sees that not only is the church or faith and freedom worked together, but but they actually are friendly. They actually help each other. They support each other. How does that work? And he said it's because the people have real faith. It's not just like a state church that they have to go. They have real faith. And he understood what all the founders understood is that that role of fate is at the heart of freedom. It didn't work in France because because of this. But in our revolution at work, because the founders wisely understood that this is the genius of true, Liberty is freedom is real freedom and freedom of religion. That's the only way that it can work. And Tocqueville was kind of blown away because he said we got, we got that wrong in France and so we get Napoleon and we get we get this big mess and for now for fifty years. This has been working in America. And he was stunned to see that liberty and faith were working hand in hand to promote each other well speaking of faith, and we think of America. We think of our founding fathers like George Washington Benjamin Franklin. Ramos Jefferson John Adams by another name. Bubbles up in your book that we've heard before, and you've already mentioned him, but he's called the spiritual founding father of America other call them the apostle of the English empire. Yeah, so spiritual founding father. What was his name? And what did he do? Now I. Don't know I just wanted to say that. You know the answer is George Whitfield George Whitfield. Honestly. This is another one embarrassed. When I realized that I hadn't been taught this, I didn't know this. There's no way you could have the America we have. There's no way seventeen seventy six ever could have happened without George Whitfield now if you're saying Oh, I, don't know that story. It just goes to show you. How far gone we are that we Americans don't know what is foundational utterly foundational. George Whitfield. Raise your hand well a lot of them. No, you guys can go take a cigarette. Break Right now because we're going to talk about field go. Combined minutes Basically. They still have smoking in in this state. No. Yeah No, so. Basically. George Whitfield was an evangelist who came here in seventeen thirty eighty was friends with the West Lease John Charles, Wesley and Georgia whatever. And, he was like a preaching machine. I can never ever do just as if you read the chapter. You will hardly believe it, but this is true. He preached four times a day to thousands of people. Sometimes, it was just one hundred, but usually was thousands of people would come from miles around to hear him. He was like the celebrity of the day, and he would preach a powerful. You must be born again. Jesus message. It was there was nothing sugarcoated, and there were there was nothing ancillary. It was the most clear Gospel Message and most of these people have been going to dead churches, right? How many people go to church? Raise your hand. But, they've been going to dead churches. They'd never heard Ha. They got that they got. How many people? In the world when you think about how many people have gone to churches whether or not hearing that Gospel I went to a church or wasn't hearing that Goswell it's GonNa be good. Be Good, you know, be a moral person, or whatever they're hearing the gospel of grace, so thousands upon thousands of people getting saved, and it led to what's called the. Great awakening the great awakening remember like a little paragraph in my eighth grade, one thousand nine hundred ninety something history text right like the great awakening without the great awakening, there is no revolution. There's no America the great awakening all throughout the seventeen hundreds prepared the ground for a people who were voluntarily virtuous, right revival broke out up and down the you had tons of people who were united in this view, and it's a very interesting idea. Because they weren't all congregational methodist, whatever it was kind of like American Christianity. They were like the details. Details don't count were born again. Our identities and Jesus Dad that you agree good so so basically. This was it was almost like the day facto American religion, so the founders had a population that they knew these people can govern themselves if anybody in the history world could, because the great awakening was so powerful now this is unbelievable. George Whitfield was such a preacher. Okay, and he was so dedicated that he preached four times a day, everyday, everyday everyday everyday for decades up and down the thirteen colonies by the time he died in seventeen seventy. Eighty percent. Of the people in the colonies, eighty percent had heard him preach in person at least once. Can you even believe that level of saturation? The Guy in a horse with no TV with no microphones, with no it it he, he was a preaching machine for decades, and so we forget that the history of the seventeen hundreds it's a history of revival in the colonies, and that's why the founders understood. We can pull this off. Self-government can work because these people are gung, Ho. Ho to govern themselves so the story of George Whitfield again. If you WanNa tell what's the story of America? If you leave out Whitfield, you're lying. You cannot leave out George, Whitfield. There is no America. In fact, it was Glenn Beck on program years ago, said it over and over, and over again whitfield before Washington whitfield before washing, there's no possibility of Washington. The Revolution Without Whitfield and Whitfield was considered kind of a patron saint of America the Benedict Arnold before he. Became Benedict Arnold the trader when he was like one of the great generals of the American Revolution. Right we forget. He made a pilgrimage to the grave of George Whitfield. That's like making a pilgrimage to the to the grave of. Billy Graham when he dies I. Mean This guy was nothing but an evangelist, but they all knew that America and the identity of this new nation was wrapped up in what he preached. Think about that, so he makes a pilgrimage to scrape to get a piece of his clothing as a holy relic to win the battle I mean. Can you imagine that the man who was the one person who is considered universal celebrity of all the thirteen colonies? Was a absolute evangelist. That's what he was and we forget. That's our history, and if you don't teach your history I, mean by the way you don't have to like the history, but you just have to acknowledge it is your history and we have not been teaching that and I don't understand how we can be Americans, unless we know our history. That's our history like it or not, and that's one of the reasons we feel so committed in this ministry to proclaiming the Gospel and we do. Do it at events that we hold it around the country, and it seems to me that secret weapons of the Church that we don't use enough are not boycott and protest, not even register and vote. We'll get to that in a moment as important as that is, but it's pray and preach pray for America Yeah pray for revival, and then preached the Gospel, and so this is such an important thing to spiritual roots of our nation, but let me Segue to another couple of very important name's. Bob The tomato and Larry the cucumber. As the writer for Veggietales, who do you relate to the most and why? You know I hate to say this publicly, but I'm going to say it. Pray for Bob the tomato. Because he's. He's so messed up right now. He's When the lights come on, the cameras, come on like he plays the whole friendly Christian, tomato thing, but behind the scenes. It's very dark. He's he's a bitter. He's a bitter chain-smoking. Atheist, wow. Yeah. He's living ally. Is what I'm trying to do, so pray for Bob. Don't dump place. Okay well. I want to talk to another person you've written you read about fascinating people. William Wilberforce. How many of you have heard of William? Wilberforce, somebody embarrassed. If you don't know your own book about him, called amazing. Grace and what is this I think him in. Georgia and fieldwork contemporaries whether or not they were meet now talk about the role of were in England and what he accomplished well by fe. It's kind of the same story. He just missed. George would feel no kidding. Because when when wilberforce was born, seventeen, fifty, nine, his family and everybody in, England were not serious about their Christian faith was Christianity in name only was like a state religion. Everybody says well I'm not a Turk. I'm not an atheist or I'm a Christian. Good English Christian but nobody knew anything about the Gospel, except for the hardcore fanatics who were under the sway of the Wesley's, so they were called methodists right? Right, in other words, the the the Wesleyan revival was was the only place where there was faith. If you went to your average church in England anytime in the seventeen hundreds, you're hearing French enlightenment rationalism. You're not really hearing. The Gospel preached because they'd had a lot of religious wars in the previous century, so they kind of all stepped away from. It's kind of like they'd have tolerance like we don't WanNa. Preach any faith. We just want to exist, which really means nothing right so into this vacuum comes. The whitfield comes the Wesley's and George. Whitfield preaching and preaching so as most of the poor people getting saved but wilberforce. When he was nine, his mother and grandfather him to live with an aunt and uncle and aunt and uncle were very very serious. Warning in believers, and they would invite John Newton to preach. He wrote amazing grace. They would invite George Whitfield to to hang out for a month and to preach to their friends, or whatever he died in seventeen seventy, so wilberforce really never met Whitfield, but it was the same routes the Wesleyan Revival George Whitfield and John and Charles, Wesley. This fountain of born again evangelical faith in the eighteenth. Century and because of them. When he gets saved. You know there's there's this idea that hey, slavery is wrong. He abolishes slavery in the British Empire in the slave trade before slavery, because of his faith in Jesus, and so it's a story of the triumph of faith, so if anybody says to you like Oh, you know it doesn't Christianity. It isn't the Bible support. Slavery, whatever I mean Yeah there's always been idiots using the Bible to support whatever you know like by a Camaro because it says in the Bible. And I'm not anti Camaro. I just want you to know but but when I'm trying to say that they've always been people twisting the Bible. But the point is that slavery was abolished in the British Empire because a because the west lease and Wilberforce understood that a biblical view of humanity says slavery is wrong, and so the abolitionist movement in England and in this country was led by Bible Believing Bible thumping born again, believers, that is a fact of history and here's what happens when you don't have that. Faith element in a country goes the wrong direction Nazi. Germany and we have a courageous Christian Pastor Dietrich Bond Hoffer. This has been your best selling book yet. And I mean this is a obviously a thick book book, but yet it's resonated. Why do you think the message of I offer think the story of Bonn Hoffer is such a gripping story. That I feel privileged because again. It's not like I had some idea like hey, I know a great story to right I mean I just thought. It's a good story I'll tell it I had no idea would do so well that it would sell well. It's been translated into twenty languages and very soon. Thank the Lord, it will be translated back into English. Song because I want to be able to read it again, you know, but. Thank, you, thank you. You've been a great audience. Thank you. So, but but this story is so gripping because. I mean look. He lived. He lived it okay, so it's a story of a man who saw in the rise of the Nazis the enemies of faith now Hitler advertise himself as a disciple of Satan they typically people don't say hey I'm for evil vote for me. They pretend to be friendly with the church and stuff, but Bon Hawford smell that the fascism of the Nazis was going to attack the church, and the church was slow to see it. He understood that the Nazis are GonNa do this, so he was trying to wait. It's really a story of a man, almost like an old testament profit, trying to wake up the church to be the church right just like the prophets would try to wake up the people of God to be the people of God. He was trying to wake up the German church to be the church, and to stand against this wickedness, but they all had their reasons. You know like well. We don't WanNA. Get political. We just WANNA. Preach the Gospel What Gospel Gospel unless you get political when people are being attacked for their fate, I mean. It's it's a lie of the that you can avoid politics. Politics will come after you if you avoid politics, so he sees that the Nazis are going to rise up. They're not just going to attack the juice attack every Bible believing Christian because their views are antithetical to the views of the Nazis and so of course that's true, but he's a heroic voice in the. The midst of that and I remember when I heard the story. The summer I came to faith nineteen eighty-eight I was blown away because my mom grew up in Germany during this terrible time, and so this is part of my history, so really affected me that there was a man who because of his faith in Jesus spoke against the Nazis spoke up for the Jews. And eventually gave his life. You know doing that, it's it's just an incredible beautiful, inspiring story and I just feel privileged. I got to write it. So what would you see the lessons of bond? Hoffer and Wilberforce are for the Church today. These are two men that went against the Grain Wilberforce, a parliamentarian amend of great influence could have followed a career in politics, but he takes up the cause of slavery. Yeah, and then Bond Hoffer. WHO HAS I? Recall was in the United States and didn't have to go back to not correcting. That's ended up going back to do what he and he actually supported a plot to. He got involved in the plot to kill Hitler, and it was an odious thing to him, but he thought I have no choice. That God's going to judge me. If I do nothing because there were many Christians. Just like Christians today. Maybe some of you in this room. You just say I'm just GonNa pray. Bond offer said I know I can't just pray if I don't take action, God will judge me because they're people depending on me to do something. And many Christians really felt that they couldn't do that. So imagine if the Gestapo comes to your door and says, are you hiding a Jew in your basement? And you say Oh, I don't WANNA lie. I don't want God to judge me for lines are just GONNA say yes. I'm hiding a Jew. Help yourself to the Jew. Torture and kill the Jew and I'm just fight for God. Praise the Lord wasn't that great pure? That's not God if you read through scripture, the whole counsel of Scripture says sometimes you lie to do the greater good. There are people in know when David Killed Goliath. For example, he didn't like. Become a Christian, and then say oh. I'm sorry that I killed Goliath. There's ugly things that happen. You have to have the bigger picture. And so bond hoffer understood that if I do not stand against the Nazis and take action. God's GonNa hold me guilty basically, and I have a merciful God, but he says I'd rather do my best, and even if I even if I make a mistake I know that God could forgive me, but there were a lot of Germans that were very theologically Fussy, and they said Oh. We're not gonNA. We're not going to get involved. We're just we're just GONNA pray. We're just GONNA while the government did these despicable things and von offer really try to wake up the church and to say you must stand. You must act. They did not and so to me. It's the lesson. It's a horrible lesson for us today to say. Say that if the church does not stand up when religious freedom is being destroyed by the government. If the church does not stand up, it can be game over I think I don't need to tell you. Germany is still hanging its head in shame eighty years after because they did not do the right thing they had the numbers. The church had the numbers, but the leadership was like well. We don't WANNA get political. We're just GONNA. Hang back. We're come back and it didn't work so to me. It's it's a message for us that the church needs to be the church. The church needs to be heroic and brave and. Sometimes take action rather than just pretend that the Gospel is something that never touches on politics, because if you're a Jew in a boxcar going to Auschwitz, you hope that some of those Christians are going to act on their beliefs, you hope. And if you're an African slave ship, you hope wilberforce is going to get real political on your behalf because you know, politics can be redeemed for God's purposes, so this idea that we don't WanNa be like religious ride we don't want. You can go just as wrong in the opposite direction, and that's my fear right now is that we are religious. Liberty is being threatened grievously right now. Where you have in a way I mean just take the view of same sex marriage transgender. You have the government siding with a view of the human person, and if you have sexuality that is against the Biblical view so in effect they're establishing. A faith, it's a secular faith. It's not what they're saying. We're going to go with this view against your view. Remember we were saying is that the government cannot take a stand. The government us to say we're GonNa let the people decide on this. Let the states decide. Let the people decide once. The government starts forcing you to go along with their view on this. It's no different than if they force you to go to a certain church. The government! According to the constitution, according to the founders, the government cannot must not ever do that. The government is now doing that. And that is, it's the end of religious liberty, and it's GonNa keep going I'm sincerely concerned that we will become America in name only if we understand this idea bond. hoffer tried to warn the church, he said. We've got a window of opportunity. We don't stand. It's going to be game over. They did not stand. It was game over and eighty years later. This is Germany is where it is. It's a warning. It's a warning. So needless to say, every Christian should hopefully already be registered. They should be voting. How how can America get back to? It's spiritual roots I mean. What can we do to get back to this time of Whitfield and please pray for this nation. We have been chosen by God to bring the light of liberty to the world. We have blessed. We've been blessed to be a blessing. And I believe it's the Lord's will that we would continue to be a blessing. Continue to give the world what the Lord has graciously given us and then. I hope that we will have an opportunity to do all the things that we haven't been doing for forty or fifty years I would like to lead the movement because honestly. Some it would be just a crime if if this this nation that the Lord has has given us with the freedoms that we have. If we were to fade away, it would be. We would be the greatest tragedy of history I'm. I'm utterly convinced of it, so the church needs to be the church. We need to be a radical in our faith. Live out your faith wherever you are. And don't apologize for it because it's food for people who are hungry Amen. Let's say Eric Metaxas coming. Thank you, thank you praise God. Everybody Greg Laurie here thanks for listening to our PODCAST and to learn more about harvest ministries, please subscribe consider supporting this show. Just go to harvest dot org, and by the way if you want to find out how to come into a personal relationship with God, go to know God dot Org. That's Keno W. O. D. Dot. Org!

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Responding To A Comment: Why I Seriously Doubt MLK Jr Was A Christian

Prescribing Truth Podcast

23:38 min | 2 years ago

Responding To A Comment: Why I Seriously Doubt MLK Jr Was A Christian

"I was going on everybody. Welcome back to scribe truth, I'm Jamal bandy. If this is your first time watching please subscribe to China, if you find content helpful that notification Bill to the size, so you can be notified, but I have new content. It happened to be listening to this on various park has apps and that was told about my good brother Ivan, I should name with those podcasts at could be. So you can find me on Google play. Our tools such radio. Those duties on top of my head. So just various podcast at checkout prescribed truth on those guys and Lieber reviewed as really helps me out. You'll critique helps me I really appreciate if you want to connect with me do. So by calling me at eight oh, one nine eight hundred sixty three thirty three. You get emailed me prescribe dot truth, g dot com. If you like to support this show, financially, you can do so pardon with me and patron patron dot com forward slash prescribe truth. I'm a little late starting tonight as you guys know, it should know most of you do know that ascribe truth, the schedule of it centers around my family, and what I have when I have going on in that way. So the late starting tonight. And because of that I didn't really have time to Gary thing prepared like I want to as far as I want to get into the night. So we're going to do like an intro into what we're going to be doing. So I guess now I can say over the next couple of weeks. We're going to be looking at this whole issue of why not MLK why not Martin Luther King? This was came from a comment that was left on. I forgot which video that was oh when I did the review of proverbial lives. Ten reasons why won't church would not succeed or we'll fail in its mission. I got a comment from a brother disciple read his comment, and I'm gonna talk bit. I'm gonna talk a bit about that briefly. And then next week next week so tune in next week, I'll be discussing more on Atlanta's far as in okay, and his theology and some stuff that he taught we're gonna get some writings that he did. And also we're going to talk about George Whitfield and Jonathon that we're a little bit. So we're gonna get into that. Because that's the whole controversy. Why not M? Okay. And why George Whitfield in Jonathan Edwards and cou so that's what we're going to do. All right. So let's go on a readers comments. He guys I wanted to have rock and show you the comment and everything like that. But when you wanna read it till you, and he already knows. I told my brother is a, hey, you know, he asked do a video on this topic. And I was like, well, I actually would it be okay. If our references comment, and he was like, hey, do what you do just know that you ain't on point on your no point. I'm gonna let you know. And I was lay that's what we're about prescribed truth. You know that pushed back has to be on point. But let's from disciples three one three he says. So you're gonna have to do a veto on 'em. Okay. Because honestly have mixed feelings on that. Like, I never ever heard criticism of him till MLK fifty now with that. I like man, I didn't feel like this thing blew up until then like, I r I heard some stuff concerning Martin Luther King's Julius the allergy prior to MLK. Okay. Fifty. I heard about the allegations of adultery and everything like that. I've heard all this stuff prior to him. Okay. Fifty. But this thing like it blew up when it happened. And it has a reason for that. And we'll get there. And he says he continues his as it was a trip because the media. I don't even refute his Christian faith. So just they just try to avoid it yet. I heard a sea of white Christians rejecting him. And he said it's seriously threw me off felt like they were nitpicking as to not accept him. And I hear your brief argument about the school thing. But even with you, you might have been saved but got taught wrong initially. So yeah, I'm pretty divided on it. And I told him I told him around say, you know, what I am going to tie break on this. And we discussed it more because I used to be mixed ice have mixed feelings on this topic as well. So I understand it. But you know, there there is truth to this and windy, we need to deal with it. So we're quick he says the media had a media portrays him as they did not his Christian faith. What we think about the media for a moment for just for a second. The media is notorious for misrepresenting Christians, period. I mean, you you go into media. You got Mormons being Christian going to media? You got Jehovah witnesses being Christian you go to the media. You got Catholics being Christian. I talked about this in my video versus thousands of versus Christianity. How the media portrays him as the same. They do you know, and they're not. But that's what the media does. And so is is you kinda gotta take that with a grain of salt with the media. Even though they don't they don't refute. It, you know. And and yeah, so and it's not just an air may MA of seemed like it was a sea of white Christians that rejecting them. But a lot of black Christians who rejected them as well. You don't farts his theology far from being a Christian now far as nobody will make an argument as far as whether he did some good in the world and some good came out of that. But we gotta we gotta attribute that to God's sovereignty. Like, God providential us Martin Luther King to to like make movements into Myanmar do marches and all those things of protest in a peaceful way. His method was peaceful now he wasn't like Malcolm X his counterpart who wanted to use violence. He rather doing a peaceful way, you know. It's all I mean, we we have to do tribute to the sovereignty of God. But that was good that he did, you know? So now so really on this episode here. Oh, I just want to give like I guess a brief of look into my thoughts in this, and then will break everything down and the following weeks. I must say week night. Hopefully, hopefully, we'll get it done next week. If he threw it. But do you know how I get I may get long winded. And so this next couple of weeks or so fair enough fair enough. All right. So now when it comes to going Kosonen figures that we look up to Martin Luther King Martin Luther George Whitfield Johnson at worse out of things. Hallway minute, wait a minute in the comments, session nature. Hold on, bro. He says you long winded. Oh, man. But when it goes through these figures that we look up to we got think about why we look up to. Okay. And why do we hold him? So it's Christmas. Why aren't Christmas rejecting George Whitfield because he had slaves? Why aren't Christmas rejecting Jonathan Edwards because he had slaves? Why are Christians rejected Martin Luther King? And he he was for the oppress is it saying the black people and why reject him. Why was the question? Martin luther. Why do why do? We excel Martin Luther though that was said, he's anti semitic, which I'm talking about that briefly. So this that's a good question it warrants announcer. But there is an answer. That makes sense. The issue is that when the answers provided a lot of people don't want to hear the answer. They don't want that answer it doesn't fit their narrative is so they want to continue on thinking that it's some kind of conspiracy. When it's not. So this is jumping to this. This whole thing is about why Email K so let me get into why not MLK why not him. Okay. Well, though, he did a lot of good things. Good deeds. Do not warrant us. Right. Standing with God period. And based on a person's worldview that goes into a lot of things that they do. Why did he do the things he did was afforded glory of God who was afforded glory of man, not always asses? I can't ask because those are things that only he can answer, you know, he's dead and gone. But when it comes to whether or not his faith was was grounded, and in the gospel makes a lot of difference if ours are things he did. So. Let's think about this histology was off some people say, well, maybe his theology of. But he did he did these, you know, he was his author. Proxy was good. I think I think that's right. We're off the proxy versus orthodoxy. You know? I don't know. I guess that's it Dr versus practice. You know? But is that really the case? Now, we see what he did we see marches and all that stuff. Is it really that that he practiced correctly? He started his faith because according to Lord where everything is not done in faith is saying that's that's what God says. Now, we can look at something. We said, oh what you see some good things if he will do. But that doesn't mean that what their their heart in their actions were good. I'll because they did good things that hope that makes sense. All right. So I mean, somebody could do something good. But if they're they're not doing out of faith in Christ. Dennis is sin a sin that may. That's that's that's it. You know? So anyway. I don't want go out for a lot of changes tonight. So this is the thing Martin Luther King denied divergent birth. All right that do not virgin birth. Now. Some people see that as a secondary issue. All right. I see it as a primary issue because I think that speaks until his divinity and his deity. So we did not his deity if we deny the virgin birth because that means you believe that he basically came from a man, which that's not what about what teachers. So that's a problem in that. And we'll look into this more next week. But his reasoning behind not believing in the virgin birth was because he because he deemed it to be scientifically impossible. And that was his reason that was his reason decisively impossible, and therefore we shouldn't hold to because it scientifically impossible not because he was tall on this way from this seminary teacher, and then that kind of stuff these are things that he gather with his own mind during his own research and from his own standing of the scriptures are. So this is why I say that even though he may not have gone to the top notch school, and some people say that he should have went to he met went to more liberal school. That's besides the point. He still had a bible he had a bible and he read Matthew, he bred, Luke he read John, but he attributed this to Mark. He says Mark doesn't mention it. Mark doesn't mention a virgin birth incident for him, and he says Mark is more credible than the other gospels. And so this is now so now we have the issue of sufficiency of scripture. So now, not only are denying Jesus being born of divergent. But now we're denying the sufficiency of scripture. Alright, right. So an order Inara. So we got sufficiency engineering see that we're dealing with the scripture so's those issues. Those are major issues that if you wanna see anyone out there in the world teaching that you would call them a heretic, but because is Martin Luther King? We say all he can get a pass. Yes. Because he stood for black people. No, no, sir. No, ma'am. That's not how truth works, and God is not call us to be partial in that way that showing partiality, and we should not do that that in itself is sin. We can't be partial to Martin Luther King because he did good for black people or the that's what he was trying to do that sir is wicked. We shouldn't do that. All right. So now missing the deity of Christ. He did not the DEA to begin. Once again, I said him not believing in the virgin birth tied to him not believing in the divinity of crisis. Wale, he believed that he was a man who had God in him. Now. That's a lot of a lot of people believe who don't know who don't believe in the deity of Jesus they believe that. He was just a good moral human being that he became divine. Now, I remember pref low daughter dollar talk that as service one time, everybody's strung up heretic when he said that he said it in the service, he said, Jesus became divine. He because he he was he fell asleep on a boat done the bible saying. That God don't sleep. But then Jesus was sleep bone the boat. He he became diviner everybody. That's a heretic. That's harrison. That's heresy. You're right. It was heresy. But why call it heresy when he says? But when Martin Luther King says in his written and has no record of Martin Luther King turn from his beliefs. No record of that. Now, you could make an argument from silence all day. But that does a stand. Now, I can hope all day long that man between the time. He wrote those papers as how he died that he had a heart change to his miles changed and he believed, truthfully. But we don't know that don't know that and nothing came out publicly about that. That was sold. It nothing came up with this show that he had changed. There's an argument about the he wrote about how he went back to the fact of his father's. But no, no, no that is like fathers speaking about you know in. So there's nothing as saying that he actually turned but changed from believe in those things. So no, I can't come off a women except him. As being a Christian because of if because of silence because DC he did because our salvation is not by works is not as my faith in Christ. And we got make sure the right Jesus. Do we don't have the right Jesus. And we have a wrong gospel. And what does Paul say about having a false gospel? If we have a false gospel down, we should be anathema occurs. No matter how good you do it. You know, it's not it's not it's not it's standing with God. So yes, so that was a major issues with Martin Luther King. And that's why that is why we say not Martin Luther King. He's not Christian now are came to MLK fifty conference. Like, I said I've heard these things about his theology and stuff in the past before this. But it blew up at they McKay fifty conference because you have a Christian conference, they have a Christian conference in honor Martin Luther King, which is nothing wrong with that innovates self but would issues as they was steaming him as being a Christian knowing. That he said these heretical things, and they try to downplay it as if it's nothing and mostly trying to play up the things that he did versus the things that he taught him believed. You know? And so that was the main issue that was the biggest issue with implicate fifty conference as far as them naming it after him. Now, a part what was said they're pushing for this social Justice issues and all the stuff stuff that as you know, let's not really going on systemic racism, and all that kind of stuff, you know, beyond that besides that. The fact it was named after him. And it was a steamy him as being this Christian man, which he's he wasn't he's he's not and as far as the accusations of his adultery and all that stuff. I don't push. I don't put too much stock in that. And the reason why I'm not saying it didn't happen and all kinds of stuff like that. People say is confirmed and all that. But my thing is if he did that. Well, if if he was in Christ, and he would have town where he would have been okay being okay with God. And he was in Christ Dan by God's grace. He repented turn from it. And put it in contained the rest of his life putting his trust in Christ. So I'm not saying all this because the fact that he was alleged have had orgies and all that stuff like that. If those things happened in his past will. Fully prevalent. He would have repented of those things and put his trust in Christ. And even when it came even comes to his theology to him, not bleeding Jesus. God my prayer was that maybe in twenty years since that he wrote that letter to Tommy pass. I mean, I wrote down wrote that paper in school to Tommy pass. A he was that he would have repented and put his trust in Christ. That's the hope that is the hope, but we don't know that. And so I'm more I'm more. I'm not quick to count him as a Christian because of he did good things, you know, said given what he said now because I don't know his heart. And because I wasn't you know, I'm not God, I can't say definitively that he's inhale, and I can't say definitively that he's in heaven. I'm just being honest. So that's my nuanced opinion. You know, but given what he's written? I'm more. I'm more likely to sat on the fact that he may not be because of what the evidence shows. But now people like Jonathan Edwards indoors Whitfield people say, well, they had right believing. But they didn't have right practice. I found problem with that. Because I believe that they there's gonna be a shocker to somebody you hold on. Wait, wait, wait a minute. I actually believe that had right practice that for the best there -bility as living in as a Christian in the world. They was living at the time. They they live practically the best it could as Christian. They put their trust in Christ in whatever errors they had in their life. If they're in Christ. And guess what? Guess what Christ paid for past? Present future says truly in Christ truly in Christ. The question goes into because it had the question they questioned because they had slaves. And because George Whitfield pushed for slavery in Georgia. But as you know, the rest of the context all of that, there's a context all of that. And we can ignore that context when we say, oh, it doesn't matter. It shouldn't matter. But there is a context now we should allow it to stand because of truth guys. Once again, I say this last video is never it's not because we want. I mean, I'm gonna I'm gonna say I'm gonna speak for myself is not that I want to be on the be on the white side of things. All right. And it's not that I wanna be super conservative or or Republican and all that kind of stuff or make sure I'm I'm in line with my favorite theologians. And all that this has nothing to do with that. I come from coat. I come from FOX teaching our come from people. Now, I come from a background. Whereas like, I'm just glad to know what the truth is. And that's all this is about what is true. What? It is true. And what is right now, according to God standards. That's it. That's it. It is not about who. I wanna be tired with who. I want to be in line with everything I'm willing. I am willing to lay it all aside for the sake of the truth. If my closest friends, disagree with me about the truth will so be it if my closest closest family members, disagree with me on the side of truth. Then so be it. I want to be faithful to what the truth is not for my emotions say or not for with the popular opinion is and all this is about what is true, and what is false. And that's what it's about. You know said so now we'll look at the facts and the evidence that we get something totally different totally different than what the narrative is given us are we have to allow for it to stand and therefore to be dealt with accordingly. So now, I'm not I'm not gonna get into all that that's going to. I must say that for next week gins. I'm about to go there. I'm gonna say with two next week. How much save it to next week because I want what I wanna do a Kaban licking as well, seven news, more research and all this stuff. I want to take a more detailed look at what Martin Luther King taught as far as his letters. We're going to look at his letters his writings because there is talk of him being on the communist side of things. So this this is very interesting. I didn't notice I didn't know this pirates about a week ago. So far as the allegations of him being in line with communists. You know, matter of fact, when I was younger I was taught that about he got stabbed. And he was stabbed. And he he was like really closer dying. Like, if he would've sneeze or he would cough, the knife with a punctured his order, and I'm liable. And that was always an interesting story concerning Martin Luther Kane dot hurting, our younger, but it wasn't until later that realize that it was a. Come out yet. It was a far as I read. It was a woman there was a woman who stabbed him. But the reasons he stabbed him was because he was in cahoots with some communists. Now, that's now to me there's now they're allegations that he may have been on the communist side of things. But if some f a lady goes out of their way to stab you. Because of that rumor this must be some truth to that must be. I mean, she risk of freedom and everything else to stab you, the the one who's in the public is the leader assassinate she wished assassinate him, a black woman, not a white woman. This wasn't a racist. Here. There was a black woman who tried to stop him because he was over there because of the allegations. You know, and it and it wasn't because. It was because he was sleeping in a concert that it was sad that she allegedly did it because he's in coastal some communists. So I wonder if there's some valid some -bility some validity to that statement about him being coast with communists, but anyway to look at that we're going to get George Whitfield, and the issue of slavery and his part in that and Johnson that was going to get that briefly. And and I want you to think about something real quick. I'm gonna leave you with one thing before I call it in I in this short. This ameet is short tonight because it's going to be a long couple of weeks guys hope you strap in and it's gonna get real good. So he's going to be this is super controversial. So I wanna handle it with care. I do wanna handle little care. So I wanna leave you with something. All right. There's going to be controversial. But I wanna leave you with something two things one. In in of itself is owning is owning slaves. A San I want you to I'm gonna leave you. Let question is owning slaves a sin period that we can you can get into the nuances of how they obtain those slaves as not what I'm asking in and of itself is owning a slave same from I believe that there with a we're gonna we're gonna talk about it. Go talk about it next week. And the next thing we're gonna talk about racists being racist is is there only that white people can be racist was what is what does it mean to be racist? And is it only on is it only attributed to people of non color leaving it that. So it's two things to think about we're going to ask accident leave it what you guys now we're going to check back next week. All right. So next week or we're gonna we're gonna we're going die in. So so just. Strap in bear with me, Laura, willing, we're gonna meet back up again nine AM. I'm not not nine AM not to nine AM now PM eastern time. And we're going to get in with MLK. Are we're going to be looking at some papers. He did then all that all that shows me dedicated to him. All right. So if you have a subscribe, please scribe remember this world is full of errors full of errors. But the only thing that doctor prescribes is truth blesses. Fish crowd with what the doctor ordered Trebol apologists aboard. Serpent we deserve. It crash changed fray. Borough film, the average the only thing Dr through.

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Be a Good Christian Witness: An Interview with Eric Metaxas

Greg Laurie Podcast

15:27 min | 1 year ago

Be a Good Christian Witness: An Interview with Eric Metaxas

"Hey everybody, Greg Laurie. Here you're listening to the Greg Laurie podcast and my objective is to deliver hopefully compelling practical insights and faith culture and current events from a biblical perspective to find out more about our ministry just go to our website harvest dot org. So thanks for joining me for this podcast. So if if you don't know Eric obviously he's a New York Times bestselling author. You've probably heard of his books or read his books on Bond Hoffer? Luther. And of course, his book on William Wilberforce called Amazing Grace another book called. If you can keep it, you've written all these amazing books you attended Yale University and Somehow Eric League taxes who was not raised really believing that Jesus Christ in a moment where he committed his life to the Lord how did your conversion come about well? I was lost, which is kind of the point of going to place like Yale University they wanna they wanNA teach you that life has no meaning, but it's too painful to think about. So we will just distract you and teach you to avoid the subject of the meaning of life or the meaninglessness of life. So get a really good job and you'll be distracted by by working hard and on the weekends there's sports and alcohol in a few decades over and I was an English major I did not get a good job. And so I- floundered try to be a writer and in the midst of my floundering. To a place where I was miserable genuinely loss but not seeking God I was sort of looking for the meaning of Life I. Don't know what I was looking for sometimes I think people say so and so's a seeker and the point is that you're just drifting you're a floater you're drifting you don't know what you're doing. You don't know if there is a meaning of life to discover and the midst of that Hell, long story short, I met a man who started sharing his faith with me and I was very resistant. In fact, I killed him just kidding I was very resistant but after a number of months I began slightly. To listen and then one night, the Lord spoke to me in a dream people can find it up my website, Eric, Metaxas dot com. The Lord Completely, and utterly blew my mind by speaking to me in a way in a dream that I knew if you listen to the dream I knew that it was miraculous that it wasn't just a dream and I woke up and it was game over I. Know Jesus is Lord. The Bible is true and now my life has purpose. And I love the way that you're taking your platform, your radio, your on television. Obviously, you're prolific author and you use your platform actually to talk about culture to talk about politics to talk about Christ which permeates everything that you do and you've written quite extensively about different significant people that made a difference in their time. A one name that comes to mind is Rosa parks tell us a little bit about why you chose her and what difference her life made. Well, it's interesting in my book seven men I wrote about the story of Jackie Robinson Yeah and why he was chosen by branch Rickey, the general manager of the dodgers to be the first black. American to play in the major leagues as they specifically chose him because he was known not just to be a great ball player, he was phenomenal but he was known to be a man of deep Christian fate. And Branch Rickey said we really want to accomplish this great thing we have to be strategic. The scripture says be wise as serpents that's a lot of times they're many Christians who think like I'm being I'm being wise's the dove that's close enough. No. Why is as serpents? So Branch Rickey says I'm going to choose him because I know that I can bank on him getting the idea that he has to turn the other cheek when people curse at him whatever he is obliged for the sake of the sport for the sake of his race he's obliged to. Not Do the thing he feels like doing, but to say, I'm going to I'm going to love my enemy so that we can accomplish a greater thing. So he pushes away his own will for the greater good. It's a ROIC. When I wrote seven women Rosa Parks popped into my head 'cause I thought it was a very similar case she was chosen in the I guess nineteen fifty, four, Montgomery bus boycott they kind of wanted to pick someone. Who they knew would serve as a symbol and. A couple of years earlier something similar happened where a young. african-american woman had been kicked off a bus but been known to have loose morals. She kind of cursed at the cops or the bus driver whatever they said when we do this, we need to pick someone who is above reproach beyond reproach and Rosa Parks was known to be serious about her Christian faith woman of great dignity of A. Serious morality. So when they picked her, they knew she would be a symbol and people would look and and they would think, oh, we wanNA persecute this dignified woman who's well dressed and who's and. She was willing to go through that hell for her people and not just for her people. Let's face it for justice for what is right but it came out of her Christian faith the idea that she wanted to do this but it was her behavior as a Christian that allowed the powers that be to say, we want her to be the face of this movement and I just think that we forget sometimes that the civil rights movement in. America. And the abolitionist movement against slavery was principally motivated by people of Devout Christian faith. We need to know that the way we have made progress against the abomination of of slavery and against the horrors of the Jim Crow laws was with his. People of Christian. Faith living out the substance of their faith by saying according to the scripture. This is wrong and by the way for somebody who doesn't believe in the Bible I want to ask them. So why do you say racism is wrong just because you say it's wrong. It is wrong according to what God says about his love that's equal for every human being. and. So these people knew they were right and they said, we're gonNA live out our faith and we're going to be activists in this way but they were activists in God's way whether it was Jackie Robinson or Rosa parks or Martin Luther King it was about a Christian witness. It was not about raging against the oppressor it was not about killing the slave owners. In the case of abolition I wrote about Wilberforce it's a classic case how he handled that and the case of civil rights here in America. It was principally devout Christians behaving like Christians as they fought. Martin Luther King Junior said you know when you're on this bus and if you're not ready to turn the other cheek, get off the bus if you're a troublemaker get off the bus, we can't use you will you will send us backward and that's the difference between those movements. In some of what we're seeing today, there is some rage and some violence and things that. Is Setting the 'cause backward and confusing people in other words there are people who are just looking at it and thinking that this is confusing I don't know I don't know what to believe Martin Luther King in particular was very careful about managing the appearance of the Movement so that people on the fence would look and say listen those are good people there is no question. That they're on the right side of this, just just look at how they're handling this persecution. That's the power of love that is the power of violence. Which is which is expressed as as love for one's enemies. If you really want accomplish something, Jesus shows us the way to do it, and when we have done it that way we have accomplished something and. Right now. Some people have really confused. Things. So dramatically that I think it's setting things. Back in the country we have to we have to, we have to do these things. Jesus is way he's the only hope to forgive those that have harmed us and persecute US whoever we are. And if we deviate from that We just. Don't get anywhere we moved backwards. I want to be talking about Moses in how one man effectively because of his godliness and personal integrity kept two and a half billion people away from my dollar tree because when he left the scene and left Aaron in charge who was the worst babysitter of all time all hell broke loose. Come Moses comes down from outside a holding the ten commandments and their dancing naked before a golden calf. I mean how bad can it get? To names come to mind significant people one very well-known maybe the other not as well known but the same name George, George Washington, and George Whitfield George Washington and George. Whitfield. Washington. We know Whitfield wasn't evangelist. Argue. In some of my books in my seven men book my seven more men book, and in my book, if he can keep it about America, that George Whitfield was used by. As dramatically as George Washington, to create what we call the United States of America without George Whitfield. And without George Washington who in case you're wondering was not perfect but God used both of these men. So dramatically. You know sometimes you look at history and you say, Oh, it's a group of people but every now and again, you say, even if it's a group of people there was a leader behaved in such a way that if he had not or if she had not behaved in that way, there is no way this would have succeeded I mean seventeen, seventy six and the revolution should never have succeeded I mean the facts are that the odds were stacked against them in such a way that unless God's hand was involved the it ought not to have succeeded but Washington when I did my chapter in Washington and my first book seven men. I was embarrassed because like so many things people think I went to, Yale, I know everything I am secure enough to tell you I am stupid and ignorant on an infinite number of things and when I discover something late in life like who George Washington really was I am ashamed that for all these decades I. did not know who he was in terms of the true greatness when you call them the father of the country, he really was he he almost in his person because of his above board character enabled us to succeed and I talked about two examples in the chapter where he? Pushes down. His own ambition? For, the sake of the greater good and it is so dramatic a sacrifice they think I have been able to do that. So it it inspires us to think that that's what greatness is. And he does it twice but George Whitfield it's a similar thing. He he was a pure evangelist. He preached the Gospel Up and down the thirteen colonies I joke around. Only half joking as usual he he was such an evangelist. He preached so much to so many thousands of people. So often for so many years that he makes Paul the Apostle and billy Graham look like lazy. That's that's my joke. And pause for laughter but in all seriousness he was so. How do I put it energized and a pointed as an evangelist? And he preached the simplest message just like Billy Graham the simplest message about the new birth we must be born again, we must look to God not to man we have to have a personal nature but Jesus, but by doing that in the decades preceding the revolution. Revival broke out up and down thirteen colonies and people like Benjamin Franklin looked at this and said, you know what? When people look to a higher authority, which is God when they have their personal relationship. You don't need many cops to keep them from stealing. They don't steal because they think it's a sin. They don't steal because they answer to a higher authority. We don't need big government. The people can govern themselves if they have virtue and if they have strong faith as they get these revivals, virtue follows crime goes down alcoholism goes down. So it led to the possibility of people being able to govern themselves because virtue is at the heart of self-government, which is something also didn't know growing up and I certainly would didn't learn in college. And when I put all this together, there is no question zero question that without the preaching over the decades of this great great evangelist George. Whitfield, there is no way the United States would have come into being because. Preaching the Gospel it's an egalitarian forests right? It says we're all equal in God's eyes. So you don't look and look at the king or the magistrate of the governor. Differently you hold them to account because you say God holds them to account just as he holds to account. We're all equal in God's sight it changes things. And just to show you how much of an icon this evangelist was for the American. Cause when Benjy sorry when Benedict Arnold before he was a traitor when he was still on our side still a good guy, he led his troops to make a pilgrimage to the grave of George Whitfield because he was seen to represent America he was seen in fact, they took some of his clothing off kind of gruesome thing they opened the crypt. And they took some of his clothing which was still there because they wanted it almost as an icon as as a relic because he represented the freedom of the Gospel, the freedom that they were trying to live out politically, and this was an evangelist there wasn't like yes, he preached. No, that's all he ever did is preached the Gospel of Jesus and Obviously, I make that connection in my book if you can keep it that without him. You don't have seventeen, seventy, six it it does not happen as. 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More On George Whitefield And Slavery

"Oh, you are slave. You a slave hating. God not wanting to be free, and he comes and yet still sets you free and takes you eight takes you and your his he bulked your bought with a price with his blood that showed across you're paid for your paid for you're in Christ. If you're listening to the stream, and you're a Christian, you are paid for you are bunked your boat, but Christ. So now, what is that the doing Whitfield? I mean, he's human. He's not God, he's human. He's a he's a Senator who got simple ideas. And he has he's several thinking and everything. So what is it about him? Well, he wanted slaves man, he treated them. Good for his namesake's scratch. Doc to Trebol. The apologised shirt. We are it crash changed. From the only thing that's Dr. Through. So dealing with George Whitfield more on him. I man out not really do not feel like going back over that spilled. Again. If you got to listen to it. Now, this is actually my third attempt of doing this podcast tonight. It Mike is been going out on me. So hopefully it'll last. It's what we was doing with last. We just a recap just real quick. We went over a letter that was set about George Whitfield till the colonies in America a couple of the comedies about three of them concerning their mistreatment of slaves. So we know that George Whitfield was which totally against the mistreatment of slaves. He saw them as human beings, not just mere property. He didn't look at them like that. But yet disdain against him. Is the fact that he yet own slaves? He did. I mean, that's that's the reality. Now, that's something. We have to deal with you know, and we will we're going to deal with it. So last week we talked about is it a is it a sin in and of itself. Is it set in and of itself to own slaves? That was the question. Now, we had somebody comment any in a he said will you kidnapping them and then doing soda? Yeah. It is in that point. I would agree with him. I would you know, so because the bible is totally against kidnapping people is the bible clear on men's stealing is simple. It wrong. Abusing people hurting people is wrong. It is the that's the truth of the matter. So yeah, I agree with him in that sense. But is it the case for how all slaves are quired? No, there's some slaves are sold into slavery from other African tribes that was just the truth than some word may there. So being cat and kidnapped him in taking it from their villages on so forth. But the majority of the case of the slave trade was affected. It was a trade Europeans were Europeans. French and everyone else was trading for slaves and throughout Africa Nino. It wasn't just and it wasn't that. They will find them in this hall time and carrying them on back. They I mean, they were already slaves and being sold into slavery. You know? And and we have to be we have to be real that. We guess we know there was some people who did some horrible things to slaves mistreated on we know this. I mean, it's historically true is one of America's not the darkest times of America's history. Is there is that partic-? Patient in the slave trade in how they treated slaves in the south. So I mean, that's that's go without saying. Okay. So this is not about trying to trying to sugar coat. What was going on then and who took part in who's at fault in all of that. Now, the truth of the matter is what we've been dealing with for these Pat for now going on two months now is this whole issue of why the rejection of Martin Luther King not because he was he was pushing for the rights of blacks when you know for civil rights who's pushing for that. So why do we reject him that why we like affirm Jonathan Edwards enjoys Whitfield because they own slaves yet. They had the allergy down pag. But the thing against them said that they didn't love right. That is that is the claim the claim is they did not love their neighbor because they own slaves that is the claim. All right. So some people can make an. From that. But we're going to deal with that. That is the issue. I mean that is that is the main issue I hear, you know, concerning these gentlemen, is that they own slaves, and therefore, no they they didn't love their neighbor for real, you know, so anyway, Martin Luther King. He had his hairs his nod. I'm not going to all that that was in pads videos. You can check those out encourage you to Hari. So anyway, now, so as we look at it letter he was he was getting on the people for a visa slice. Not at this time. He wasn't even he didn't have sleighs down in Georgia at the time. He didn't you know, he wasn't pushing for him. You know, saying, well, I'll take the bag. He probably had slaves. Anybody has plays where he was in England. But not in Georgia. You know, let's I want to say that, you know, don't quote me on that. You know, y'all got a correction on that let me know. But for my understanding that I was reading this as I was researching this is that slavery was already banned in Georgia. It was banned in Georgia and it didn't become legalized until seventeen fifty one. This was this would be eleven was be eleven years. Yeah. Eleven years after he advocated for slavery, Georgia. So it wasn't like people. Listen to them like that. It wasn't like it was like all Bill because those Winfield said we need to do it. You know, this is something that took years for this to happen in Georgia seventeen Ford is when he advocated, but there was a reason for it doesn't motivation behind him wanting to house slaves in Georgia. And so we wanna look at that too. All right. So please send in questions or you could comment questions. If I if I think about it. I'll check the screen, and we'll requests and stuff like that go from there are those listening on the on the podcast house. I will really be encouraged by your comments. So what you think about this topic? Now, whether you disagree agree. You know, we gotta have this conversation and needs to be had in the Christian community. And we gotta talk about it. I'm not being I'm not claiming to be the one who knows it all Kosonen this topic. I'm just giving my perspective in my view of these things. And how I see it. If we look at the root of the matter. All right. That's that's my goal with all of this. All right. So without any further do before the Mike cuts out and something else goes wrong. Let's go to the screen now Pala jobs for you guys who's listening to this. 'cause you want me to see the screen, but I'm going to read on what we're going over. All right. So I will read it out for you guys. I'm thinking about you guys thinking about you. All right. So here we go. So got to put up this Wikipedia. Like, I say guys, I will do I will agree to do a follow up with his video somebody can semi the source of they they find him before me concerning as advocacy for slavery the action his actual letter. And now we use that. And I will do a follow up or update on this. I look forward to that. I won't that. All right. I just couldn't find it. I couldn't I couldn't get it. Anyway, we're looking so this is we competed. I noticed it's not the the strongest thing to look at when we're looking at historical issue. Historical information. But there's some things that are here. There are key. And they're still retains the parts, and I'm reading about is concerning some truth. All right. So that's what that's what we're looking at. And so the first thing I want to point out real quick for those of them stream is that one of the things listed on here is dealing with the best the orphanage. Now, this is important business important. I wouldn't be going over it. If it didn't matter tired. So he had an orphanage as orphanage was built in Georgia. Right. So it says Whitfield's endeavor to build an orphanage in Georgia was central tastes preaching, the orphanage and preaching comprise come comprised. The twofold task the occupy the rest of his life on the twenty fifth of March. Church seventeen forty construction began why Whitfield one at the orphanage to be a place of strong gospel influence with a wholesome atmosphere and strong discipline. So this is what this is what his goal was for this orphanage, you know, on this was a school for boys as as original title. And he said owner returning to North America in seventeen forty he preached a series of arrivals that came to be known as the great awakening of seventeen forty and seventeen forty. He engaged Moravian brethren from Georgia to build an orphanage for negro children on land. He had bought in the lay valley of Pennsylvania. So now, I was like whoa walls. Like, man. I was like this is different. I never heard. Nobody mentioned this. I haven't heard that. You know, when I started researching these things that's when I started learning more about Whitfield like, I promise you guys. I ain't no I didn't really know a lot about what for prior. To this. You know, I knew that he was nor wanted reformer he believes he preached reformed theology. And all that kind of stuff, you know, wrote books, you know, preach a lot, you know. But I didn't know any of this stuff is I was looking up. And I was like, okay, cool. I was like, wow. Wow. Is as in seventeen forty he engaged. More even brethren from Georgia to build an orphanage four negro children on land. He had bought in the lay valley of Pennsylvania for negro children. Now, I had no idea about that. This was the orphanage for the children these children who didn't have. Lee, oh, Lee Lee high. Lake County and look lay valley. That's what I'm gonna say lay valley, not only. The mice. Correct demille YouTube yards. They tell me I pronouncing this wrong. I may be I'm maybe I'm known for butchering names. But that's what got me nego negro children. He built this orphanage for negro children on land. He had bought in Pennsylvania following a theological disagreement. He dismissed he dismissed them. But was unable unable to complete the building which the Moravians subsequently bought and completed. So this is a Pennsylvania. This now is a why Whitfield Harrell's in the center of Maury van settlement of Nazareth? I'm laughing y'all because you to one of my guys here, he's from Pennsylvania. So he he he knows how to how he knows how to pronounce his name. So he's he's he's letting me know, what would it really is? All right. But that's the thing. So now, so now it's called a Whitfield house and said the winter houses owned by Maria historical society. All right. So next paragraph says he preached nearly every day for months to large crowds of sometimes several thousand people as he travelled throughout the colonies, especially New England. All right, then oh, this is like his contemporary acquaintance. John the networks. Whitfield preach. Staunchly cabinets theology that was in line with the moderate Calvinism of the thirty nine articles. All right. So you know, I mean, I read every line of this part of the best of the orphanage. But that's that's was important that was important. All right. So 'cause he built an orphanage in Georgia. You know, that was the whole thing. So many get here. We'll see did they mention that here. Not mention the name here by it was it was is offerings for boys. Bena who? So so we read that on bass eight orphanage alleged to go to his advocates advocacy of slavery are so it says. On John Wesley did not slavery as the sum of all villainous. Andy, Andy tailed, it's abusive so John Wesley against it. However, bef- S's of slavery were common among eighteenth century Protestants. Yeah, I believe that, you know, especially missionaries who used the institution to emphasize God's providence. Yep. That sounds like reform theology there, and that's how I see why a lot of people are blaming reform theology for all this because of the doctrine of predestination election. And in fact, that God is sovereign all things happening. According to his will, you know in in everything that happens, according to God's will is good for God. He he is good everything. He does is good. He allows us good. His intentions are good. And all of that, you know, even how he maneuvers in the world of how he uses things that we will see his battle. No. That would probably seem bring harm to others yet works out. For his good in the end and bring some glory. Also, I see how this whole issue can go into people being against reformed theology. You know, this is would they use a savory? This is a part of guys divine providence, they wouldn't be slaves wasn't for God's providence. Again. See and they use it for that point. Now when I go that far to say stuff like that. And I mean, yeah, we believe that because I mean, I believe all things happen. According to God's will. And his plan got us not taken by surprise by anything that happens in the world, and this time slavery is a common thing is not new. It's not like somebody just happen to come out ideas. Hey, I want to own a slave like slavery has been in existence at this point for centuries. But for centuries, you know, going on way back into the Old Testament times. I mean, so it wasn't like this was uncommon thing. He'll sam. But it was something to be noted that there were Christians who felt a conviction about owning slaves that were Christians who feather conviction. I, you know. This is this is wrong. And given the fact how some people were treating slaves and most probably I like this. I will go on and say most, you know, and I could be wrong. I don't know most. But you could say we could say most for the sake of arguing like giving how people were treating slaves. I could see how Christians like, man. Oh, man. We ain't doing that. Like, nah, I'm against that. And then you have slaves who like, well, you got other slave owners like well. I mean, I'm not going to. I'm not mistreating them. I'm not I'm doing wrong. I think he's okay. I think it's a good thing. Not hey, bring them closer by. And you know, and that's why I wanted to read on feels writing because he argues he does argue for the fact that if we have them if we're if we're Christian, and we have slaves down. Hey with better way to teach teaching the gospel. It's better way to preach to him. And it was as if I heard somebody say this in the past. It was as if Whitfield didn't believe that they could receive the gospel in Africa like they had to come to America be slaves in order to hear the gospel. You know, that's the case. I mean, yeah, I would agree with that. Like, I would agree with the Opposers being the slaves. Don't have to be in America, you know, to be Christian Christianity in Africa long before the slave trade. And that's a known fact known fact, and it sat a lot of people in the in the conscious community. They always bring up the argument that it's you know, if you were black, you wouldn't even know about being newer, nobody Jesus until you was a slave. And that's and that's just that's poppycock. That's foliage, you know. But that's what they say. Because they don't know history. You know, but we can get we can have understanding of why that is because a lot of Christians, but only slaves and a lot of Christians were, you know, preaching to that sleighs giving Sheldon the gospel. You know, and some were using the bible, you know, some other people who aren't truly Christian was using the bible to mistreat him manipulate slaves while others were doing it the right way. So we have to we have to allow these nuances because they do exist. They do is issue. And once again, so what did the convictions the conviction is is slavery a sin? So it's the first thing that's a dressed here. But John Wesley he felt like it was a saying, you know, that was his conviction aide detail its abuses. That's what the article talks about. He details. It abuses in his writing. And so and they give they give a reference to his word. It was work that John Wesley did thoughts upon slavery by John Wesley published. In the year, seventeen seventy four. So this was that was something given his words. So he tells us abusive, so John Wesley, honestly is looking at looking at the abusive side of slavery, not so much as the fact of owning them, but he rather not even participate than even be a part of that in which I can rip acting respect that I respect that a lot, you know, anyone back there and who refused to own slaves. I respect that wholeheartedly. You know? But the issue here with John George Whitfield down to Edwards is were they racist towards slaves. Is this a racist thing, a racist motive outrageous agenda, or is it something that just common in the time? It's something they went with. They didn't see a conviction as far as which cryptic teaches. That say, hey, this is wrong with Phil gives that. He will feel gives that in his letter that we read last week if you happen if you haven't washed out encourage you to watch the last week of strain while we read from a letter he sent to colonies in America. How he talks about how he mentioned it on words, and you can say he didn't mean it or he didn't know better ABC. But these are his words, and as as you know, what we've been dealing with people's own words. So his words were whether it's a sin or not to own slaves. I don't know. But what I do know is that it is wrong. And I'm paraphrasing this point it is wrong. To abused them. That's what he said. So he knows that he knows the San to abuse slave and mistreats slaves in not feed them and not take care of him. And all of those things he knows that he practices that. But the actual owning of slaves. He didn't feel a conviction that it was the same. He didn't see scriptural references reference that will say on the MIR owning of slaves is innocent. So I thought that was interesting, you know, as we look at it. So now in this Argos read, it you can see this on YouTube. You've probably been reading as well, he says Whitfield was at first conflicted about slaves p believed that they were human. But he also believed that they were subordinate creatures and that was and this is not a court of here. This is a quote from somebody else's book out if you can see that on the screen, but if somebody else's, but they wrote this is from there was an excerpt from inventing George Whitfield race revivalism and the making of a religious icon. So it is by. Jessica par. So that was her words subordinate creatures, you know, now whether or not George Senator not himself. I don't know. But that is her wording of what he said. All right. So anyway, I haven't read the book, you know. So anyway, slavery happened now going to say slavery had been outlawed in the young Georgia colony in seventeen thirty five. So it was only five years later when he started advocating, and so it says in seventeen forty seven Whitfield attributed, the financial woes of his best Seda orphanage to Georgia's prohibition of slavery. That's what he that's what he says. So he attributed his the financial woes of his best Seder orphanage to Georgia's prohibition of slavery. He argued that the constitution of that colony being Georgia is very bad, and it is impossible for the inhabitants to subsist without the use of slaves. Now that was from somebody else's a quote of those from somebody this book slaveholding evangelists Whitfield's troubling mix of us by Mark galley pronounce his name right cells, nineteen Ninety-three when publish that. All right. So that was that the argued that the constitution of that state of that colony is very bad. And it's possible for the habits of says without the use of slaves joins Wingfield was looking at labor looking at labor. All right. So let's go between seventeen forty eight in seventeen fifty Whitfield's Whitfield campaign for slavery's legislation. So I got my dates wrong. I said seventeen forty earlier not Pol jobs seventeen forty eight in seventeen fifty art. So it will be a year later. It'd be a year later that Georgia would legalize it till seventeen forty eight seventeen fifty with campaigning for slavery legislation. He said that the colony would not be prosperous, unless farmers had slave labor. Now, I remember reading in the part of the extra did not read from his actual writing. And he talks about because of the day the skin how they can take the heat and all that kind of stuff like that. Who would feel wanted slave slavery? Legislat- legislating not only for the property of the colony prosperity of the colony, but also for the financial viability of the best state of orphanage hat negroes been allowed. He said I should now have had a sufficiency to support a great many orphans. But thou expending above half the sum that has been laid out. So he's a he's upset because he's losing money. His thing is hey man, the flavors been allowed. Now. I better say our better save more money than put it out there, then know spend money on this on the orphanage and keeping it up and everything. So his his thing was saving money that was a businessman. It wasn't that he was righteous against as far as hiding them thought. They were less than human thought, they were wicked skull yours than just black mess. He saw his humans, but that he valued free labor. That was his issue. The fact that he can just hire some other people. To take care of SAD and do what they do eat. Oh, he he wanted free labor. That was his issue that anything that's what he's that's what he's guilty of dealing with that mess. So wanting slightly warning free labor, not wanna spend his money. But let's think about this. If you want to call them racist think about what the orphanage was four best say the orphanage, what was the orphanage four. There was a fort white children. He built it for black babies. He built the orphanage for black children who didn't have families. That's don't sound like someone who's this, man. Then ain't somebody who's races. That has to be a new us where we have to allow for the facts to speak in information to speak that ain't somebody who's racist. That's about who who loves people yet one standard. It's money. Don't want to spend all his money any. But also, he he's he's been obviously this whole time. This whole time since he started the the the orphanage. I mean, he's been putting out his own money. If you putting out his own money. He just makes an argument, and he says man, they would have if they would have allowed it then like we won't be putting out as much money. Everybody had like the economy is bad in Georgia for that point. And that's what he's saying. It's all like, no, man. Like, I'll go out. I know. I know our thoughts are, hey, man. Go out there and work at yourself like go, go go plow in Whitfield. He wasn't even from America. He wasn't from America from England. He travelled think he was saying he traveled seven times between England in America throughout his life preached a whole lot. But that's what he did. So it's like may hire some people man, you you ain't gotta use the slave labor, especially if he if he's not here on the he's not here consistently dealing with. Everybody was like he he wants to legalize Georgia. Not keeping in mind that man, there are a lot of people in Georgia who's gonna mistreat these days if you legalize it that they're going to mistreat them. Treat them wrong beat them and everything I was like is more than the one thing. And so in his mind, he wants to he don't want these negro children to be out of a home. You know, that's what he's thinking about. You know, he he wants to be he wants it. It'd be kept up, but he wants to use free labor. He wants to save money a businessman, not a racist, but will businessmen here. So that that's that's thing. And so that's concerning him now. I can't speak for everyone in Georgia the arguments concerning Whitfield now if you want to say, hey, Jamal like man, like do you? Do you even agree with that? Like man, like, do you feel like that was right? It was good play man in my own opinion. Like, nah, when I wouldn't think that was a right reason slavery in Georgia knowing and knowing that we're feel knows estate of man's heart. Is he understands biblical theology? He knows that we are simple than wicked. We take everything that could be used as okay in in decent. And we abuse it, but even die when he when he gave parameters to Israel concerning how they should be towards slave. And those who come in when they go and conquer time, they take slaves and how they should treat them. We can't be foolish and thank that guy. Put those premises in place in knowing that they were gonna be Israelites who don't obey in this like the rest of the world. You know, they they're going to send they're going to be wrong. They're going to do things wrong. They are where centers, you know. So I mean, we gotta we gotta be fair across the board. Here, you know, God gave parameters a house should be done. He'll he'll allowed not again as we go back. Y'all. Can't you hear the beginning? He was totally against the kidnapping of people. So when people use historic of the Atlantic slave trade holiday winning stole people in take took people from their families, and all that kind of stuff like that and trade it into slavery. Yes. Kidnapping wrong wrong sin needed to repent, but someone will people wasn't kidnapped. They were sold into slavery. They were already slaves, and they were so they were bald anything about this in the bar. Is a lot of illustration the slavery, even when it comes to us being in Christ. We were slaves to San not wear slaves to Christ. And guess what y'all when we're we're we're Slade to saying. There's no plan for us to be let go we can't this bobber says we the who the sunsets free is free. Indeed, we are slaves to send we're not. We're not just holding since hand and walking through our life, just holding saints, handling, whatever. No. We were slaves to Sam bound in chains with no plans of being let go, you know, plans until the sun comes in set you free. And when the sun sets, you free the bible says you are free. Indeed. But guess what y'all there'd be real? You're not free. You're your free of sin. But if you're freestanding you're bound to Kreis, you are slave unto righteousness. I love the song about beautiful eulogy cars surrender ban. Y'all. Check that out and you have it. It's a beautiful song. It says we all surrendered this middle areas. We all surrender. We all surrender like slaves wants to death the wants to life in the Moore. That's the different job either. What all of us are slaves. Either will slave to send or a slave to cries are rather be a slave to Kreis than a slave to my sand because my sin gonna lead me to death being a slave to Christ leads me to life in the Lord. So in the illustration of that alone. We have we have proven that it that it got uses that man slavery in itself isn't a sin in that case. Then we got we got a week after think about our faith a lot the language is used conversion in us being in right standing with God. And all that kind of stuff his lot people like to think about home, man, you know, guy. He just waits on us. And he wakes to come to him. We love him and all that stuff. Like, no, like, no, you are slave. You a slave hating. God not wanting to be free, and he comes and yet still sets you free. And takes you eight tax you and your here's he balked your bought with a price with his blood that Sheldon across you're paid for your paid for if you're in Christ. If you're listening to the stream, and you're a Christian, you are paid for you are bunked your boat, but Christ redeemed, but what we mean by redeemed, you're dangerous and praise God. He did. So now, what is that the doing Whitfield? I mean, he's human. He's not God. He's human. He's a he's a center, you know, who who got simple ideas? And he has he's several thinking and everything. So what is it about him? Well, he wanted slaves man. He treated them good. He treated them. Well, it's the I said this a long time ago. I said there's a long time ago, y'all asset this if our Christian back, then I would want to own our own slaves. Why basically how Jamal you just saying that because you you just don't know white, man. They didn't say we say what you wanna say, man. I'm just being honest. I said there's a long time ago as a back then I was a Christian because I knew the type of. Abuses that was going on. I wanna purchase slaves that I can keep away from those abuses that I will do my part to try keep him away from that because one of the one way or another they're going to get sold because if George Whitfield than purchase them slaves. He had fifty slaves when he died fifty. That's all they have fifty slaves. Those fifty slaves would have went to somebody else if he didn't bomb they will win the someone else. And guess what happened? What was more like most most likely to happen to those fifty slaves and those babies those babies he had an orphanage what would happen? Who would who would have them? You know what I'm saying? I think about that. I was like man to keep them from being abused. I don't want them to be abused purchased for my survived. The money purchaser myself bring me to my home, treat them. Well, evan. See? Hey, I treat them I feed him I called them and bring him here. And only got to do is work as it. And that's it. And that's how some people did. But that's not the case for all. And we got to talk about that, y'all. That's not the case for everybody knew everybody didn't do slaves. Like that man. They brought him over there. They raped women separated men from their families split the families out, man. Right. Brothers or sisters from each other. We get man wickedness. But when but where throughout history have men not messed up something that could have been used in redeemed. We're not, you know, saying it. So this is one this. This is one of them. Anyway. So he he biz legalizing Georgia. Alright AJ's after he died, he left everything to accounts of Huntington and that included four thousand acres of land in fifty slaves. Now, I wanna read this now. No hope he told me are already reading this reading for those watching on the livestream in seventeen forty during his second. Visit to America Whitfield published an open letter to the planters of South Carolina, Virginia and Maryland chastising them for their cruelty to their slaves. That's what I'm talking about before. I read I read this. I read nearly the whole thing almost whole thing in last week's podcast check that out. He says, I think he's I think God has a quarrel with you for your abuse of in cruelty to the poor negroes. Furthermore, with Phil Roe your dogs are caressed and followed et your tables, but your slaves who are frequently styled dogs or bee's have not an equal privilege. So. Saying is you call these people dogs you call them Darlington beasts yet, you don't even treat them. Right. You don't treat them like you, treat them as good as you treat your dogs. He he's getting onto them for this. He says, however, Whitfield's stopped short of rendering a more a rendering a more judgment on slavery itself as as an institution. And I mentioned that he said in his letter he wrote it his own words. He said, whether it's a center not to have them. I know not. But I do know that it is wrong to abuser. But this is what I thought was interesting. The best Saito orphanage set an example of humane treatment of slaves. This was a quote this was a quote. And this was from my book beloved fater a history of Georgia of George Georgia. The history of George Whitfield home for boys on that's from Edward cashing. And that's that was published in two thousand one he said the best thing to orphanage set an example of humane treatment of slaves, and then Phillies weekly that this is an important person famous wheat Wigley who was a slave row appoint on the end it's called on the death of the Reverend Mr. George Whitfield in seventeen seventy the first line 'cause would feel a happy same. She spoke well of him, and she wrote this while she was still a slave. She wrote this letter, I mean this point while she was still a slave named Phyllis Wheatley. I'm gonna I'm gonna click on her because I had pulled up her point. And I wanted to read that for you guys. I want to read it for you guys, man. It's interesting. She was a slave, and she was a slave of his and her words about him. Mm speaks volumes to what actually slaves thought of him. They don't seem like people were upset for being owned by George Whitfield, not especially not her. So I'm gonna pull her request shows weekly. It has also spelled A Phyllis Wheatley said she was the first published African American female, poet, the first publish born in west Africa. She was sold into slavery at the age of seven or eight and transport it to North America. So she wasn't kidnapped. Gotta. You gotta think about she was one of west Africa who Soder. We all noticed come on. Let's who soldier white why white to white. No. There wasn't a case. Choose already slave is sold into slavery. She wasn't kidnapped. She was sold. She was purchased by the Wheatley family of Boston giving her name weekly. Who who taught that's a fall who taught her to read and write and encourage her poetry core. Encourage her poetry win. They saw her talent. So she was owned by. She was owned by she slave owners. Who was actually encouraging early toddler to read and write then that was actually somebody who talks lay reader right back, then they were slaves. They taught her to read and write and encouraged her poetry when they saw her talent. Let me man she got it may not had made you make 'cause you're gonna slate. Right. But but they treated her whale tutor. Welcome compared to other slaves who treated wrong with being beaten rose victims by she didn't have it that bad said, the the publication of our points on various subjects religious and moral on September seventeen seventy three brought her fame both in England and the American colonies seventeen seventy three y'all people were interested in black in African American writers at seventeen seventy three, but it was still ill slave and stuff. While Khokar figures such as George Washington prayed to were older products. Maybe I don't know. I'm getting my dates mixed up y'all give me. Anyway, where's about her book? 'cause I had pulled it up. I had pulled up her thing. Our portrait. There we go. So this is this is beautiful. Now, this is feeling towards George Whitfield. All right. He says hail happy Saint on Don immortal throne posits of glory, life and bliss, unknown. We hear no more the music of dot tongue. He called he called his speech music that sermons in unequal access flowed in every bosom with devotion glow. Dow this in strains of eloquence refined inflame, the heart and captivate the mind unhappy, we the setting sun deplore so glorious was but is shines. No more. This speaks of sadness that he died y'all that she said he died. Behold, the prophet and his what it says towing light towering light towering flight, doggone auto, correct? He leaves the earth for heaven unmeasured height and worlds unknown receive him from our site there. Whitfield wings wings with rapid courts his way and sales Zion. Through vast seas of day dot prayers. Great Saint and on incessant cries have Pierce, the bosom of the native skies that moon a half seen in all the stars of life. How he has wrestled with his God by night. He prayed that grace in every heart might dwell. He longed to see America. Excel he charged his youth that every grace divine should with full Lustre in their conduct shine that savior, which his soul. Did I receive the greatest give that even a God can give he freely. Offered to the numb numerous throng that on his lips with listening. Pleasure. Hong. Yeah. I mean that does I'm sorry that don't sound like somebody who would being abused beaten victimized ridiculed and all that don't sound like somebody who was being under someone who was a racist that doesn't sound like somebody who is owned by a racist that sound like somebody who was owned by a slave owner who treat them good. Who did right by them? You know? So he just wanted labor. He just wanted the helping hands there's really wanted. And once again, if you haven't heard me, I'm gonna say this for the third time the best Seder orphanage. This whole reason for him even advocating for slavery in Georgia was an orphanage for black boys. Black boys teaching them to know Christ orphanages for kids who don't have fathers. Wow, MA yawn. That's how do you take a messed up situation? It bring the gospel to it. That's one way may not be the way you may chose. But in his conviction. That's why he chose. But that you can't say the man was racist. You say racist. You know what I'm saying? Like, you could say you could say he owns lanes. But yet once again, whether the send to own slaves is we have to think about y'all. So I don't think I'm gonna end there, man. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a redesign last partners doing his travels is at Whitfield is remembered as one of the first to preach slaves. So he's one of the first season proved to God for the slave one of the first not the first, but one of the first anytime I waiting who wrote a point after he died while she was still a slave. And so that means she probably was in the care of the lady that the counters that he left everything to say in age when crossing the Atlantic Ocean was a long and hazardous adventure. He visited America seven times making thirteen ocean crossings in total. It is estimated that throughout his life. He preached more than eighteen thousand formal assignments of which seventy eight have been published in addition to his work in North America in England, he made fifteen journeys to Scotland most famously to the preach preach, I can't pronounce that were of of canvas sling in seventeen forty two I can't pronounce that two journeys to Ireland and one each to Bermuda Gibraltar and the Netherlands in England and Wales Whitfield's itinerary included every every county he went out to the Georgia colony in seventeen thirty eight following John Wesley's departure to serve as a colonial chaplain of. Vanna or at savannah while in Georgia Whitfield served as a minister for an orphanage and travel extensively throughout both North America and Britain in an effort to raise money for the organization. He would often preach and attend public events during his travels which serve to further spread his message. All right. So that's that's day. Man that was a lot. One day. I'll get better we're reading on here for you guys. So star about net for those who may have been confused at my poor reading. All right. But that's it. That's it man. You know, where's the evidence of him warning? But with him being racist. You know, I don't see that. So it one Mike slavery. Just is this this new in America like it just happened in American. I know it was a common thing at the time and people, you know, there was some who treated slaves Ryan are some who treated them wrong. I mean, that's that's the case y'all and with those who committed sin, of course, we call them to repent and those in America who used the bible to manipulate slaves. And all that, Dan what we say y'all they weren't truly Christian. I don't care what they claim to be. They weren't truly Christian. But George Whitfield he showed four that. He was truly a Christian he handled this issue as a Christian should he treated them fairly treated them? Right. Those fifty slaves. He owned you'll finish lazy on he treated them right to the point where one of them one of them who was sold into slavery slavery, and she was a child, and that's sad. It's that sad to say a slave before like a slave since he was a baby, you know, saying grown-up a sleigh an adult. They are adult life. But yet she was treated good treated goodness in spoke well of Whitfield. You know, you don't hear peo- hit. Oh, by speaking somebody like that when it rises towards them. You don't you won't hear that man. You know, what happened? What happened to those who mistreats ladies when people rose up against them? You know, they they got to you know. And that's what people fear, but we feel he treated them. Well, so that's that's all him. If anybody else dot another source of me, look at concerning this topic or something else or they want me to look at in this. You know, if you agree. I mean, it it will discuss the day. I mean, I would love to go over that. Like, then let's let's get down to brass tacks. You know? I mean, this this is this is a highly controversial topic. It can get very emotional. I understand that. But you know, at the end of the day all truth is God's truth. That's it all truth is God's truth is history. You know, and it's Detroit. All right. It doesn't matter. How we feel about it. It's about what's reality was about was real. And it's about was true. All right. And that's what I argue for here on prescribe truth. All right. So on once again, y'all of Karbi ADA one nine eight sixty three thirty three Email. They prescribe dot truth that g mail dot com. If you wanna chop it up with me as well while supporters on patriot. If you do so you can donate there's Lincoln in description, if you just want to donate, a one time donation, I greatly. Appreciate it. What else? Oh, by the way. I'm starting to this score. And manage is good. So far got couple of brothers on. Now. Just spending it up, then the discord man, it's going to be four people wanna come on. They wanna chop it up. And they don't wanna they don't feel comfortable calling in all kinds of hey, you can come on a discord. We could chop it up on opening session on their weekend. Do open voice chat. You ask questions? We can chop it up even debate. If you like I mean, we can have conversations is open is open to subscribers is open. You know, saying that I'm on by having people. That's interesting. I'm leaving Lincoln and description. Hey, you're welcome to come in is ready to go. All right. So with that being said in a world full of errors. The only thing the doctor prescribes is truth blessings.

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Dont Get Caught Up In The Folly

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12:58 min | 1 year ago

Dont Get Caught Up In The Folly

"Welcome back everybody to the prescribed. Truth podcast I'm your host. Jamal bandied the one who seeks to distribute the truth that a doctor prescribes to the church in the world today. Also part of the Christian podcast community. If you like the contact me can do so by emailing me prescribed dot truth at. Go Dot Com or you can call me at eight. Oh one nine eight zero sixty three thirty three. Thank you so much for those who listened to the podcast every week and I'm just so thankful you guys any downloads. And everything else man. Just awesome in this and encouragement to me. Thank you thank you. Thank you for those who visited the Youtube Channel and subscribe? Thank you so much. Where edit four hundred and seventy nine subscribers? I know that doesn't sound like much to a lot of people that is a heap to me and I am greatly appreciated. All those who subscribe to the channel and all those who give monthly on the Patriot. Thank you so much support. It goes a long way. Believe me. Does it helps out with these expenses. And I'm grateful for you guys every month in constantly my prayers. This week. What I wanted to discuss is a particular scripture that to me goes behind how I deal with certain situations as they show up in the media and when it comes to accusations that are made and in the news and everything else the scripture that I stand on when dealing with these types of issues and before I get to that scripture. I want to say that a lot of times when people come to me with something that someone has said B. a. b. the president or anyone else for that matter even when it comes to my day to day life you know I may was so and so have seen it or would this person have said. Where can maybe Oh? This person did or didn't do. I'm always kind of reserved before I give my opinion of what's going on Lisa. Try to be and is because you don't know everything you only hearing one side you know and so I think that's the wise thing to do in this biblical to wait all right so I kinda went into a little bit but some of you may have noticed coach. I'm talking about but the one in particular that I'm going to be reading from now is proverbs. Eighteen bursts thirteen proverbs eighteen verse thirteen and it is he who gives an answer before he hears is folly and shame to him. Now it's interesting to me man like when we hear about on the news where not president may have said this or made racist comments. Or He's done this and he's done and you know and Not just him but anyone anyone you get a news about what happened with the police officers and everything else is so many opinions you know and man the media does a great job at tugging at a harsh rings because they know what gets us route up they know what will make us of said they do and so they put it up there for us to see for the world to see and to gauge a response. They want a response. The media would never put it up anything on the news. If it wouldn't Kinda get some kind of response you know. Be It small or big and we have to keep that in mind so what? I'm seeing something in the news where an officer is being accused of unjustly killing a black man or or anyone for that matter or from here. Navona news the president made a racist comment about these particular group people group in the reason why he wants to. Wallis for this particular reason and whatever whatever the accusation is I'm wanting to know. Is it true I mean I am and usually when I'm having conversation with people and they bring that up to me. Ask Me my opinion. I'd say well. How do you know is true? And the automatically assume taking the side and is like no. I'm not taking a side. I WanNa know of his true. If it's true then yeah I agree with you. A hundred percent. Nasr wrong shouldn't be said that should be done. Abc But is it true? And how do we know his true? Is it conjecture? Is it assumptions that has made on? Someone's character you know and I've gotten to a lot of trouble with family and friends alike with having this reserve view and some say it I'm trying to take a safer route but I'm trying to be biblical trying to be Biblical. Because you think about guys. I want somebody to treat with the same respect if somebody comes to USA. Jamal did this and Jamal said that. Will I hope that somebody would be Canon of Watson? Say You know it will? What did he say? Can I see it? Can I hear it? Can you show? Can you put me in a direction a where this happened so I too can say whether or not he did it in eight on agree with you disagree you know and I hope that what happened and if I am guilty of what? The person is accused me of Dan. I'm guilty and if I'm not then. Hopefully the person would have enough courage to say. Hey you know. I heard that in. That wasn't true. You shouldn't spread rumors and lies about him and that and this isn't about whether or not someone is a Christian and not defend them or not stand up for them or not is about was writing was wrong. One of the sins that we see scripture days in the law is bearing false witness. Bear false witness guys and it's such A. It's such a sin that is done like so much that we've become soft to it you know it's like we don't recognize even when people make false accusation guys. They're breaking the breaking with the Captive Commandments. There bearing false witness and then description even tell us how we can. We shouldn't even bring a charge against someone unless there's one or two witnesses two or three witnesses you know as a man's so you got you have like one source and it somebody said this and and you're going off of that that's it or somebody did that and that's all you're going off. It's not was in the becomes a folly to you in reason why I think most says becomes a father to ashamed to you. Is that when the truth comes out because it does come out? The truth comes out eventually when it comes out. Then you made. Look Foolish is shameful. So he who gives an answer before he hears it is folly and shame to him and what I like. I like also says co verses later it says the mind of the product this is verse fifteen. The mind of the prudent acquires knowledge. And the ear of the wise seeks knowledge to know to know guys not to guess not to be of some type of certainty but to know. And this is the mind of the prudence. This is the ear of the wise so when someone comes with an accusation the mind. The prudent wants to acquire knowledge. Is this true? I need to know especially before you give an answer. In the era of the West seeks that knowledge. They're going to look it up the going to research. This goes to the heart. Say I should say this is. The heart goes behind a lot of the content. That I've done dillon with Slavery in America on the Founding Fathers Out George Whitfield you know in him owning slaves and I know how as Martin Luther and the claim of him being anti Semitic a source of light. This has been my. This has been a driving force behind those types of content. I hear the claims and I hear the assumptions and in my mind okay I wanNA know of his true. And then what? I researched it by God's grace and once I reached it is not true that George that Martin. Luther wasn't antisemitic. He wasn't he didn't hate. He didn't hate Jews because of their ethnicity because they are they come over lineage of juice it just not. It's just not true. It's not true that the founding fathers hated blacks is not true. They fought for blacks. More than anyone else is just not true. It's not true to George Whitfield. Hated his neighbor because he owned slaves. It's just not true because we think about this guy's if that is the case then what do we say about the the one who Paul called a brother Philemon Centeno Nessim? Ass- I mean are we to assume that filename was a nicholas only slave. That was that was the only one and Paul wrote him about the one slave and not that he should let him go but that he shouldn't charge them or be mad mad at him for running away whatever disagreement. They had whatever issue they had policies. He would charge it to his account. Man I mean what Paul him a brother and then I know using the example the thing comes in and says what a different types of slavery and everything else and all that kind of stuff and we know all those things but yet you have to assume then once again have to assume that every single slave master at that existing United States was like torturous in in vow in hateful to black people. Lots of blacks. We have to assume that but that goes into your folly in your shame because you give an answer without knowing without hearing everything without knowing the facts you know so this goes behind a lot of that stuff Mandela would amber Gaga controversy will happen where her in like what happened with George Zimmerman and everything else like man. It is so unpopular to want to stick out the facts to seek out the knowledge to know what's really going on. And then you find out what's going on then you really see what the media is trying to do and what they're succeeding in especially in our young black community. I can't go anywhere without hearing a her hearing. Black people say the same thing about wrong. The same exact thing yet has yet be no evidence of him saying anything races yet. It's just a popular thing to say. And if you don't agree you know what I'm saying. You just sleep your sleep you you ain't you ain't been woke something seriously. Something seriously wrong with it. But it's going to come to their folly. It's GonNa come to their shame when the truth is revealed and praised. Guy For his truth. All truth belongs to God. History belongs to God. Information Knowledge starts with God so Mann seek out the truth. The Truth and I'm happy to I wanNA tell you if there's evidence as surface that Donald trump been racist all this time then. Y'All agree with you that he's racist at his heart. His Jack Dubbed the Heat needs to repent. But that's not gonNA take away Fatty. He's killing me this president. It won't take away the fact in him being racist he's doing more for blacks and anyone else did. It'd be interesting. Wow anyway once again guys seek out the truth remember he who gives an answer before he hears is folly Shane to him. The mind of the prudent acquires knowledge. And the ear of the wise seeks knowledge. Praise the Lord Remember. This world is full of errors. But the only thing that the doctor prescribes is truth blesses. Thank you for listening and I'll talk to you guys next week. This is troy until you're listening to revive thoughts every episode. We bring you a different voice from history in his sermon that they delivered and we always say imagine going back in time. If you're new this show that's something you're going to hear a lot if you like. Today's episode check out our website at revive dot com. There you can find the transcript for this episode. 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George Whitefield: How To Listen To Sermons

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42:42 min | 1 year ago

George Whitefield: How To Listen To Sermons

"This episode is brought to you by the Good Book Company. Podcast I show where we have lively conversations with authors about church culture and the Christian life go to the good book dot Com slash podcast and subscribe today This is troy and Joel and you're listening to revive thoughts but we are apt to wander too much always looking at the splinter our neighbors rather than the beam in our own every episode. We bring you a different voice from history sermon that they delivered. Today's sermon is coming to you. From George Whitfield. It was some time in the late. Seventeen sixties Joel. It's it's funny. I don't think I've ever asked myself the question. How am I supposed to listen to a sermon? And yet when I saw this sermon I was surprised. Realize that after listening to preaching a good portion of my life and working on all these sermons for revive. I've never realized I am missing some areas of how to do it. I am hopeful that for the listener. You'll be able to apply what you're listening to today to your life pretty much immediately and also there's a part that he goes into how to treat your preacher which I really think is relevant to all of us today. I think we could all treat our preachers and pastors would probably more respect and a little bit less of a critical i. Now this sermon is by George Whitfield. And we've done an episode on him earlier in the show. It's an almost Christian and I really highly recommend going back and listen to that episode if you haven't listened to it before with field is this great preacher and we talk about how parts of his life would not really align with what we'd like to see in a Christian today. Yeah definitely. Lastly we have a very exciting episode involving Whitfield coming up in the future of revived in the next couple of months. But I'm not going to spoil it just know that something really. I'm really excited about it. And it's coming this summer as troy mentioned. We do have a previous episode. That kind of covers a Whitfield's back story in some controversies in his life. So we're going to be kind of touching on a little bit that today and also touching on some other parts of his life but as a recap. He was born in seventeen fourteen and his father died when he was two years old his family ran and in like a hotel whitfield. Wanted to be an actor. And that's something. We kinda focused on during the previous episode is his desire for drama. He would get cut skipping school to prepare and practice for different performances and he would love to replace his to literatures go to materials reading through plays. His family was very poor and when he was fifteen he had to quit school to help his mother run the tavern. That was a part of the in there and for a year and a half. He washed dishes and waited tables and he served people try. Have you ever? Were you ever a waiter and never a waiter? I was a pizza delivery driver in Baristas that counts. I don't now later is One of America's most popular jobs that like any evening ran and give given person High likelihood that they were waiter. They shared that job and comment that. Actually I see that definitely mass. I also never never waited tables although I would have over many other. Yeah job as some door knocking jobs. I would have rather been waiting. I guess that's why we're not whitfield. Exactly yeah you waited tables for a year and a half and he would he would. We have this autobiography from so we can see his writings as far as what he was thinking during all these times and he considered this part but kind of a spiritual dark era of his life he was religious outwardly but he didn't feel it was all show he he definitely would fall back into a hanging out with the wrong crowds and telling filthy jokes and not living that. Christ life at Seventeen. His mother gave up on the end and just retired and an old school friend. An old school friend of Whitfield's remembered him encourage him. Said you know you should really think about going to college going to Oxford. A with it had always been the student had been given really hard speeches to memorize. He had done really good job. He had done big performances. And I think that's probably what that old student was remembering. I remember you. You were really talented. I take some work but he ends up getting into Oxford Pembroke College Oxford and we talked about this on the earlier show but he. He is at the lowest rung of Oxford. He's called a survey tour and the server or they served wealthy students as a servant and their free time they were allowed to take classes and study. This fit him really well because he had already been kind of a barkeep for a tavern so he he had that experience and for about a year and a half. He was doing that at the end and now he's doing that at the school. This is kind of a strange place to stop but I always. This is what I think about. In that moment. No one knew the guy. Currently carrying their books would someday be this mind bogglingly famous preacher and one of the most influential Christians of the seventeen hundreds in what must have been like when they kind of Sunday. Figured out like some of those people had to have been alive. And I'm GonNa go see George Whitfield. Isn't that the guy who used to carry my books. Isn't that a guy who would make? Not when I was studying I wow. We ended up in different places. Like I. Just think about that. And it's kind of humbling because what people in our life right now are maybe doing something obscure. Maybe they're working that side job at this a waiter there just on the lowest strongest society. And we don't know it's now but twenty years from now you would pay big money to see them in concert or see them. Give a conference speech or something like that. It's funny to think about how people in up. I guess in his second year there at Oxford he joined what would be famously called the Holy Club. Troy do you know who is in the Holy Club I do but I'm probably the wrong person that John Wesley and Charles Wesley. Gach an and George Whitfield. Obviously at the three of them. I think he was there too. Yeah Yeah We. We've talked about the holy club on several episodes of revived thoughts. These three guys were not cohurt that that bond of brothers that are on fire for Jesus and George Whitfield really describes this as kind of a a new birth in his life and in his passion and really understanding and thriving after the Bible John. His brother Charles. Wesley were the main leaders in an approach. That is more systematic right. It's this idea that every moment should be used to do something for God weathered studying your Bible or reading books or serving the poor preaching to others every single minute should be dedicated to got in some way and this way of thinking became really big in George Whitfield's life and I mean almost you can see how a systematic way of thinking like this could almost be somewhat damaging almost a little bit too far. And that's kind of what we see a little bit in his life to where you become really legalistic right if you have a system for everything and if someone's not abiding by the system. They're wasting their time. You have a very legalistic view on the world We can definitely see how that would not encourage good relationships with the people around you. I think that happens to maybe SPF. It happened to me as different points in my life where I got a little bit too into to do this. This and this and that becomes less about doing it for the love of God and less about. I'm doing this enjoy for God but I'm doing this. Because I feel like a half to and I can relate to this thing that he went through. He talks about this really dark moment and actually John. Wesley mentions it at one point two. He said he would eat the worst food. He would fast twice a week. He would wear the worst clothes pretty much reject everything material and he thought this was creating a really spiritual heart him but he constantly was wrestling with this whole thing to and at one point some experience. Christian started working with him and and they started reading books together and he he began to kind of taste Christian liberty again and realized the perfection. He was reaching for was through works and he couldn't do it. This kind of changed him again. He had this overhaul in his life. He had been wrestling with any. He said that he turned to scripture for months. Just begging God to show him what he was missing in how he could do a better and when he got out of this system. Okay I'm not going to be illegal. I'M GONNA still be all on fire for God but I'm not going to try to make it about works. He said he really never went back down that road again. He didn't want to go back down that road again. If we skip forward just a little bit in time he decided he wanna be missionary to Georgia. He wanted to go to Georgia and tell the people there about the Gospel. It's kind of funny in our mind. You know. We think of Georgia as a part of America part of the Bible Belt and all that but those days that was a penal colony and it was just this frontier area where people were criminals percent. It was not really a Christian part of the United Kingdom at that point really so he decides is going to go there but the ship that he's supposed to take out to harbor is delayed. It's delayed by at least a month or two and so during that time he starts to just. Kinda do these speaking engagements around London. He had always been a decent speaker but he said something was different. It was like the room was electrified. People were just flocking to him. Crowded rooms people couldn't get in outside. They're waiting to hear him. The places just completely packed and they're hanging on his every word. One famous actor said he was so entrancing on stage so dramatic in his performance in the way he was bringing the Gospel that he said he would just give a huge sum of money just to say the word. Oh the same way that Whitfield was saying when he would say things like. Oh Lord Oh just for just that oh. I would pay any amount of money to be able to speak like that. Yeah so that's time in London so when he gets to Georgia he he very quickly and he's only three months be very quickly becomes somewhat of a celebrity somewhat of a superstar because he's just so enticing so interesting to listen to and he gets a lot of work done he begins work on the Bethesda orphanage. Which would go on to outlive him. He notices because there's so many orphans. Inza vannatter mentioned that it's a penal colony so all of these. Debtors get sent there when they can't pay their debts and they're forced into hard labor and many of them die because they're not equipped or trained to do that Labor in their families that probably move down there with them. are orphans. Essentially the the kids are orphaned. And so there's just a lot of kids down there that don't have parents around anymore. Don't have a father. George Whitfield built an orphanage to bring those kids into the house. Them this episode is brought to you by the Christian Standard Bible. 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There's really so much to Whitfield if you listen to the show. S seems like most speakers in the seventeen hundreds can trace a lineage back to him somewhere and it makes sense. There are some people who believe that the eighteen thousand sermons. He preached in eight trips to America. There is the series that he preached to almost every single American man woman and child during that time but this last tale is that with field experienced pushback. We always hear about these guys that are larger than life and it just seems like everything's going their way but that actually was not true when with field. Return to America after this very first trip to Georgia. The doors were closed. Churches did not like that before he had been kind of calling out the clergy and they really didn't like that he was saying people need to get baptized again after already being baptized as kids or infants and so when he comes back and he is Anglican There's this moment where winfield couldn't find a place to preach notre was going to let him in with his audience. The people were wanting to hear from him but the churches did not want to be a part of it so he asked a few people what they thought about open air preaching and they said it was nonsense that it wouldn't work in a city. That was the kind of thing that you did in the olden days but it wasn't really something people were doing anymore but with field decided going to give it a try anyway. He grasps and scaffolding. He put it together and started to tell people the word of God and some say it was kind of in the middle market others say it was just on a hill near town but whatever it was at first about one hundred people kind of came in heard and people were kind of going out and telling others like you got a guy this guy out here preaching on a Hillary's in the market just preaching to people. The next day he tried it again and there were many more people waiting to hear him preach and by the end of the week. Several thousand were there listening to this guy just preaching on some crates or something. Basically this is just one of those amazing moments were just doesn't seem like Whitfield can be stopped. I love this moment actually Because for me I would have called it in God. It just seems like I want to do something for you. The doors are all shut. I don't know what to do that would have been you know my moment rather than like I guess in your hands. Maybe I'm not meant to do this. I don't know but he doesn't stop. And this guy loved preaching so much. He loved telling him the Gospel he wasn't GonNa let the lack of churches. Stop Him and this is the guy you're about to hear. Tell you how you should listen to sermons and I think as an expert who never relented and getting the Gospel. The people he him telling us how it is. We're supposed to listen to them is something we need to listen to. Roy Loop eight eighteen take care therefore how you listen the occasion our lords giving us this warning was this perceiving that many people were gathered together to hear him out of every city and knowing for he is God and he knows all things for he knew that many of them would be only and not doers of the word he spoke to them by a parable of a sewer that went out to sow his sead and he plainly explained it and is parable that few of them would truly receive any saving benefit from his teaching or bring forth fruit although the application should be plain and obvious his disciples were yet unenlightened and a great degree by the Holy Spirit and were unable to see into the hidden mysteries of the Kingdom of God yet. They dealt with our savior as people ought to deal with their ministries and discussed with him privately about the meaning of what he had taught them in public. They had a sincere desire of doing their duty and asked him for an interpretation of the parable our blessed Lord as he always was willing to instruct. Those that were teachable. Here setting his ministers an example to be courteous and accessible freely told them the significance this was to make them more cautious and more attentive to his doctrine for the future. He tells them that they were specially chosen to be the light of the world and we're going to proclaim on the house top. Whatever he told them in secret and as their understanding the knowledge already given to them was the only channel upon which more would be given to them. It therefore highly concern them to take care how they listened from the context. It appears that the words were primarily spoken to the apostles themselves. But I'm afraid to say out of those many thousands that flock to hear sermons. You are actually influenced by them. I can't help but think that it is necessary. To remind you of the warning given by our Lord to his disciples and to exhort you with the utmost earnestness and to take care of how you listen. This is the design of my sermon. I I will show that. Everyone should take all opportunities to listen to sermons and secondly I will lay down some warnings and directions in order to benefit. You as you listen to them. I I will show that. Everyone should take care of all opportunities to listen to sermons that there have always been particular people set apart by God to instruct and exhort his people to practice what he should require of them. It is evident for many passages of scripture. Saint Jude tells us that Enoch. The seventh from atom prophesied or preached concerning the Lord's coming and brought ten thousand of his saints to judgment and Noah who live not long after is declared by Saint Peter a Preacher of righteousness and though and all the space between the flood and in giving the law. We hear a very few preachers yet. We may reasonably conclude that God never left himself without a witness but at various times in diversity of ways he spoke to our Fathers By the Patriarchs and the prophets but however it was before we are assured that after the delivery of the law God constantly separated to himself a certain order of men to preach to as well as pray for his people and though the Jews were frequently led into captivity and for their sins scattered abroad on the face of the Earth Yet. He never completely gave up his church but still kept up a remnant prophets and preachers. Those like Ezekiel Jeremiah. Daniel and others were there to reprove instruct and called into repentance so it was under the law yet how much infinitely better does the Church Habit through the Gospel for when Jesus Christ had through the eternal spirit offered himself as a perfect and sufficient sacrifice he gave commission to his apostles and in them to all succeeding ministers to go and preach his gospel to every creature he promised to be with them to guide assist strengthen and comfort them always even to the end of the world but if it is the duty of ministers to preach and woe be to them if they do not preach the Gospel for a burden is laid upon them no doubt the people are obligated to listen to them for otherwise what purpose are ministers sent. An how can we avoid admiring the love and tender care which our dear redeemer has expressed for his spouse the church for because he could not always be with us and person on account that it was better that he should go away. He did not want to leave. Us Comfort Klis. He taught a sufficient number of pastors and teachers to start the Church and after that he continues to send down the Holy Ghost so that he can furnish them and their successors with the proper gifts for the work of the ministry for Perfecting. The saints and for the edifying of his body in love. Oh how senseless are these people of the unspeakable gift who spit on the spirit of grace and crucify the son of fresh by willfully refusing to attend to such great of salvation. How dreadful will the end of such lives? Be How a aggravating. That fight should come into the world that the glad tidings of salvation should be so very frequently proclaimed in this large city and yet so many should hate the spiritual bread. How much more tolerable will it be for? Tyree and sit on for Sodom and Gomorrah then for such centers but that men had never heard of savior beam born then after they have heard not to give heed to the Ministry of those who are employed as his ambassadors and who are here to Trans Act affairs between God and their souls. We may be in an unclear. Way And without a spirit of prophecy. Imagine the deplorable end of such men. We can picture them. Cast INTO HELL and lifting up. There is in torment and crying out. How often did our ministers try to gather us but we would not. Oh that we had known in our day that these things that belong to our everlasting peace but now they are forever hidden from our eyes so wretched and so inconceivably miserable. Will they be that? Make a mockery of the public preaching of the Gospel. But I'll take it for granted that there are few if any of this unhappy camp present who would think it worth their while to tread the courts of the Lord's House so I passed my next point secondly to lay down some caution and directions in order to benefit you as you. Listen to the sermon. And here. If we reflect on what has been already delivered and remember that preaching is an ordinance of God by Jesus Christ for promoting his kingdom among men. You cannot not be offended if I I direct you to come to hear them not out of curiosity but from a sincere desire to know and do your duty. Formality and hypocrisy and any religious exercise is an abomination to the Lord and to enter his house. Merely to have our ears entertained and not your hearts reformed must certainly be highly displeasing to the most high God and unprofitable to ourselves. Here's why so. Many remain unconverted and unaffected with the most evangelical preaching. It is so that like Saint Paul's companions before his conversion they only hear the preacher's voice with their outward ears but do not experience the power of the inwardly in their hearts or like ground near fleece they remain untouched while others who came to be fed with sincere milk of the word like the flu. Lease at self are watered by the do of God's heavenly blessing and they grow flee my brethren flea curiosity and instead prepare your hearts to receive with meekness. The ingratitude word. Then it will become a means from God to quicken build up purify and save your souls. If an earthly King issued a royal proclamation on th not performing some duty and the life or death of his subjects was depending on. Following this proclamation. How careful would be to hear what those conditions were and yet will we not pay the same respect to the king of kings and the Lord of Lords and lend an attentive ear to his ministers when they are declaring Hauer? Pardon peace and happiness may be secured when God descended on Mount Sinai in a frightening Marvelous Matt Majesty to give his people the law attentive were they to his servant Moses and they were so earnest to hear the thundering and the threatening of the law will we not be as interested to hear from the ministers of Christ with the Glad Tidings of the Gospel while Christ was here on earth. It is said that the people hung upon him to hear the gracious words that preceded out of his mouth and if we looked on ministers as we ought to as those sent by Jesus Christ we should cling to them to hear their words also besides the Sacred Truth that the Gospel ministers deliver are not dry. Pointless lectures or moral philosophy intended only to amuse us for a while. No they are great mysteries of Godliness which we are bound studiously to take to our hearts and it is through our negligence when we either do not understand them or by any other means let them slip from our marine but how careless are those who instead of clean to the preacher to hear him does or sleep while he is speaking to them from God. Unhappy men can't keep watch with our blessed Lord one hour. What didn't they read? How you'd icus fell down as he was sleeping when Saint Paul continued his discourse till midnight and he died but to return though. You may prepare your hearts and be attentive while the sermons are delivered yet. This will not profit you unless you observe a third direction. Do not entertain any criticism against the minister for even if the preacher could speak with the tongue of angels but his audience was prejudice against him. Then he would only sound like a sounding brass or tinkling symbol. That was the reason why Jesus Christ himself. The eternal word could not do many mighty works or even preached to any great effect among those in his own country for they were offended at him and this was Jesus God incarnate. Who Will be how the heavens he will come down speaking as no man has ever spoken but if we are prejudiced against him as the Jews were we then hard and our hearts as the Jews did. There's take heed my brethren and beware of entertaining any dislike against those whom the Holy Ghost has made overseers over you consider that the clergy are men who have passion like yourself and though we may even hear a person teaching others to do what he himself has not learned to do but that is not sufficient reason for rejecting his teaching for ministers. Speak Not in their own but in Christ's name and we know that Jesus commanded the people to do whatever the scribes and Pharisees should say to them. Fourthly as you should not be prejudiced against so you should be careful not to depend too much on a preacher or think more highly of him. Then you ought to think for though this be an extreme position that people seldom run into yet. Preferring one teacher in opposition to another has often been an ill consequence to the Church of God. It was a fault which the Great Apostle of the gentiles condemn the Corinthians for where one said. I am of Paul another. I am of Apollo's aren't you being? Karnal asked Paul for who is Paul. And who is a policy but instruments in God's hand by whom you believed and are not ministers sent to be ministering a bat ambassadors to those who will be heirs of salvation and are they not all therefore greatly to be honored for their Work Sake. The apostle it is true. Commands us to pay double honor to those who labor in the word and doctrine but then to prefer one minister at the expense of another perhaps too such degree as when we have actually entered a church to leave again because you prefer to minister does not preach earthly sensual and devilish not to mention that popularity and applause cannot be exceedingly dangerous. Even to the rightly informed mine and it must necessarily fill any thinking man with a holy jealousy or he might take that honor to himself which is due only to God for God alone qualifies him for his ministrial labors and from him alone every good and perfect gift comes a fifth direction. I would recommend is to make special application of everything that is delivered to your own hearts when our savior was speaking at the Last Supper with his beloved disciples and for told that one of them betray him. Each of them immediately applied it to their own hearts and said Lord is that I am only when preachers are dissuading. People from the sins or persuading them to the duty instead of telling themselves this was designed again so and so over there turn their thoughts inwardly and asked Lord is that I how much more beneficial should we be. Binding our sermons to be that we should ask this question. Lowered is high but we are apt to wonder too much always looking at the splinter our neighbors I rather than at the beam in our own the sixth and last direction if you wish to receive a blessing from the Lord then when you hear. His word preached pray to Him. Both before in an after every sermon prey to view the minister with power to speak and to grant you a will and an ability to put it into practice what he will show from the Book of God to be your duty. This would be an excellent way to ensure that the word will be preached powerfully and two in lightning and enflaming of your hearts and without this all the other means before prescribed will be in vain no doubt it was the consideration that made Saint Paul. So earnestly entreat his beloved visions to intercede with him from God praying always with all manner of Prayer and supplication in the spirit. And for me also that. I may open my mouth with boldness to make known the mysteries of the Gospel and if so great and apostle as Saint Paul needed the prayers of his people. How much more do those ministers who have only the ordinary gifts of the Holy Spirit? Besides this would be a good proof that used sincerely desired to do as well as to know the will of God and it would highly profit both minister and people for God through your prayers will give them a double portion of the Holy Spirit and they will be able to instruct you more fully in the things which concern the Kingdom of God and Oh that all who hear me this day would seriously apply their hearts to practice. What has now been told to them. Ministers would see Satan like lightning fall from heaven and people would find the word preached sharper than any two edged sword and mightily through God. He'd be pulling down. All the devil strongholds the Holy Ghost would then fall on all those here the word just as when. Saint Peter Preached The Gospel of Christ. Who have free course and would run swiftly and thousands again would be converted by a sermon for Jesus. Christ is the same yesterday today and forever. He has promised to be with his ministers always even to the ends of the world and the reason why we do not receive larger displays blessed spirit of God is not because our all powerful redeemers hand shortened. But because we do not expect them and confine them to print at times it does indeed sometimes happen that God to magnify his Free Grace and Christ. Jesus is found by them. That did not seek him. A notorious center is forcibly worked upon by the public sermon and plucked as a firebrand out of the fire. But this is not God's ordinary way of acting no in general. He only visits those with the power of his word who humbly wait to know what he would have them do and sins unqualified hearers. Not only empty the away take care therefore you careless curious professors if any are present watch how you hear remember that whether we think of it or not we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ here. Ministers must give a strict account of the doctrine they are delivered and you will give a strict one to on how you have improved under it and good. God How will you be able to stand it all the bar of an angry sin of engine judge and see so many sermons you have despise so many ministers who longed and labored for salvation of your precious immortal souls brought out as so many swift witness against you will be sufficient? Then you think to say that you went to hear them only out of curiosity and to pass away and idol hour or to admire the oratory or ridicule. The simplicity of the preacher. No God will then let you know that you ought to have come for better reasons than this. After every sermon has been put down on your account you must then be justly punished for not improving from them but fear not little flock who were the meekness receive God's word and bring forth the peaceable fruits of righteousness for it will not be like this with you know you will be the ministers of joy and their crown of rejoicing in the day of the Lord. Jesus and they will present you and holy triumph faultless and unbelievable to our common redeemer saying Behold Us oh Lord and the children which you have given us but still take care how you listen for upon your improving the grace you have more will be given and you will have an abundance. He is faithful. That promised who will also do it. Not God from out of Zion will so bless you that every sermon you hear will communicate to you a fresh supply of spiritual knowledge the word of God will dwell in your you richly. You will go from strength to strength and one degree of grace to another until being grown up to be perfect men in Christ Jesus and filled with all the fullness of God you will be translated by death to see him as he is and to sing praises before his drone with angels and archangels Cherub. Them and Seraphim and the general assembly of the firstborn whose names are written in heaven forever and ever Amen saw. There's a lot in this sermon that stood out to me Remembering to pray before the sermon. I mean how few of US actually go to church and we stop and go. God teach me something. Church really really excited to hear the sermon. The part that really got out to me the most was just the grace. He asked people to give preachers. So many of us are so quick to judge a sermon or judge a preacher. Say Will you know? It wasn't very good. I didn't find it entertaining. I didn't like this and like that or somebody who are going to say. Oh well that you know the pastor said. Don't do this but I know he does that. He's overweight he's doing. I know he's got sins right. I love the way field. Just doesn't let you get that out. He of says the truth is the truth. Preachers are being used by God. This whole thing is a remarkable thing where you're getting to hear the truth of God's spoken to you so quit looking for excuses not to apply it to your life even if the preacher himself isn't perfectly applying it to his life. That doesn't mean you have the right to not listen to and to take it seriously and I love that. Because if I'm honest I think a lot of us really struggle with kind of judging the preacher and with you'll say it's got thank you for listening to today's episode of revived facet as episode was narrated by Scott Woodruff. Scott us from Ohio. He was in the army as an infantryman in is married with two daughters. He is currently in seminary at Grand Canyon University and is pursuing master's in divinity. He's looking forward to either serving in full time ministry or Career Biblical counseling. Thank you for listening to this episode of revived thoughts. We hope it helps you when it comes to listening to sermons in the future. If you enjoy listening to sermons make sure you're subscribed to revive thoughts and you have make sure you're telling other people about this show so they can also learn how to listen to sermons and listen to our back catalogue of sermons. We have another episode by Whitfield and we have other episodes by many other great preachers from the past and also we have a new show revived egos that takes devotional famous preachers and theologians pushed them down the two or three minutes records them and Cincinnati. One episode comes out every single day with seven different speakers. We choose from Jonathan Edwards. 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Greg Locke

"Welcome to the eric metaxas. Show with your host eric. Metaxas folks welcome to the program if the erc metaxas show. I'm playing the role of eric. Metaxas today and i have a guest. Who's playing himself. Pastor greg lock pastor greg lock. I don't know where to start with first of all. I love seeing you. I'm proud of the work you're doing in your church. I should mention that. You're founding lead. Pastor of global vision bible church and mount juliet tennessee. Right side outside nashville. You and i've connected on a number of occasions where here mainly to talk about your new book. But let's talk about where we are as a nation right now because the last time you were on this program. I think it was one day before the election. Yeah which we know is still being audited today. Because there's some crazy people conspiracy theorists and insurrectionists like eric metaxas. I mean the reeler. I'm just playing their role who believe that Lady liberty was mugged. yes and And something happened in america. That's never happened before i think. Eighty million plus americans feel the same way. And it's a ghastly moment when you do not know that you had a real election where the we. The people chose the leader of the country. That's a creepy thing to happen in history and the history of this country absolutely and i think more than eighty million at this point because people are tired of it. This has been a fall down the steps nightmare. I just read the other day. Somebody said this is almost like being strapped to a chair watching a toddler. Play with a loaded pistol. You never know what's going to happen and it's freaky. It really is and so. I think people are sick of it. I think at the election took place again today. There's so many democrats that would jump ship and actually vote for trump because they see debacle that we're in in this nation. I think you're right. I think i mean. I always say that. We have to really keep our heads because we're being gas lit by the left. They have the power they control the media to the extent that most americans think that half the people think that way and the fact of the matter is most americans. Don't think that way you've got these really radical leftists who are putting forward and narrative. And i i would say for the first time in my lifetime. Really sweeping the facts under the rug. A win the facts. Don't suit the narrative in in a way we've simply never seen anything like it. But i think most americans who don't have a a pulpit or don't have a program they see this stuff yeah they see it just like you said. And they're thinking this isn't something is way way off. So the reason. I say this greg is because i think i want to remind my fellow americans folks. It's not just you. We all see what is going on. And we're all praying and wh- waiting for a moment to act on what we could do in the united states of america to preserve our liberties but most americans. I agree with you. They see what is cooking. And i want to encourage those who are on the fence. They listen folks. You're not the only one most people know. Everything's going crazy. And i want to tell you you are not crazy. You're not revival is baked into the soil of this nation. You know that. The whole george whitfield stuff man. I'm telling you people don't recognize the fact. God is not done with this nation. We may fall one day but it will not be to a fraudulent administration. Well you know something When you say that we were not taught that growing up in schools. At least i wasn't most americans were taught that without well without george whitfield and the revivals that went up and down the thirteen colonies. We would not have been prepared to take on self-government and that's i explain them in my book if he can keep it but it goes beyond that where you realize that every single one of the founders. I mean every one understood this idea that without and faith This doesn't work now. You can't force virtue or faith because if you want freedom you cannot force freedom. you can't compel freedom. That's an oxymoron. But they understood that if we the people don't keep the republic if we the people don't understand that faith and virtue is what holds self-government together and protects the week from the strong. Then it all falls apart in our lifetimes we have seen things drift away so that people they don't know that they think you can have goodness without god right and even fast forward to the american revolution. The black robe regiment these guys. We've talked about this before. They say the republic preaching they're black clerical robes. Pull them off. After the end of their sunday morning message lead their minute a battle and literally saved this nation. So faith is it. It is it and i believe god's going to revive this nation. Now talk more about that. Because i believe same thing. I've been listening to number of voices on the internet. Some people who are friends talking about this that they believe god has said there will be revival that what is coming out of this revival and i believe is coming through the back door persecution. Our church calls the blue flame. Revival the hottest revive we've ever seen. I'm not praying for a third grade awakening. I'm praying for the greatest awakening. this nation has ever seen. Because you know as well as i do. Once america falls with the last bashing of capitalism and freedom on the planet i was preaching some time ago in kentucky and a lady that was saved literally by the lord and by the government of things happening over there in that regime. She said look in in america. We want you to see revival but the chinese christians are not praying for america to see revival. We're praying for. Americans see persecution because that will bring the revival that was a big statement from and she was weeping when she said this isn't that isn't that amazing. Listen when this thing happened with with the election and then everything has happened. Subsequently this nightmare you said you know falling down the steps nightmare. I think it is god's mercy it is a wake up call not just to the church but to your average american to say. Wow look how bad it can get. We didn't think it'd be at this bad. We think it just going to go back to you know the way it was under george w rauscher something. It is such a waking nightmare that it is It is the one thing that i think. God uses in history. We see it in scripture to wake his people up absolutely. I think it's been interesting. That the last fifteen or sixteen months have really been a dress rehearsal because now now they know who they can control and who's going to be a problem moving forward and gas like we're just going to be a problem moving forward and i'm very bold about that. I have not yet begun problems going forward. Yes i'm telling you seriously. I think that this is one of those funny things. Where if you don't know what it is to suffer into to go in the wrong direction you're sleepwalking and most americans. We've been so blessed we've been sleepwalking. We need to understand that it can get satanically bad. Yes we can. A what happened to china would happen germany in the thirties but these are just human beings just like us and they slid in those directions and we are not immune to that god has blessed us to be a blessing. But i think we are going through season now. We're we're we're seeing what could happen. If god's people and the good people in america the patriots do not stand up and fight absolutely you know. Prophecy for us was so far into the future. We heard everybody say what's coming it's coming. And in the last fifteen months we left fifty years prophetically. There's no doubt about that and here we are. Well it's interesting. You say that. Because i agree with you. Nobody thought i mean whenever. I talk about my bon hoffer book. It happened very quickly in germany. The nazis left in and they just took power and people were just sort of their breath was taken away. How quickly this happened. And i have to say there are some parallels and it breaks down. I can't compare to nazi germany. But there are parallel. Scher that you get the idea you know. When the devil sees that his his time is short he get he goes into overdrive and we have seen abrogations of liberty in america in the last few months. That are just here. Mind-blowing i mean it's i think it's a good wakeup call. Yeah absolutely i tell people the church has been sleeping while the government's been leaping the so you talk about this from your poppa. You don't have a problem with talking about the now and why is that because if we don't call out corrupt politics we're not going to have a platform from which to even preach the gospel of jesus. Christ you know they say oh. They're taking our rights away. No word giving them away and i think the church needs to wake up. We have a pastor problem in america. We have a pastor problem in america man. I hate when i agree with people when they say stuff like that. But the problem is you're right. Listen to church is so timid today. evangelical 's have It's like they. They bought into an idea which is profoundly on biblical that being a christian means being nice and never fighting for anything Because we don't want to destroy a witness. I think myself a few enough fighting against injustice against slavery against cruelty against every bad thing. If you're not fighting against those wicked things. What kind of gospel are you even preaching. Why would i want your lame folks talking to pastor. Greg locke l. o. c. k. e. The book is weapons of our warfare. Unleashing the power of the armor of god. We'll be right back folks. How many years of. I've been telling you about relief factor. What like four. The truth is i know there are millions of people in fact some say over one hundred million people struggling with some kind of pain maybe from exercise. Just getting older. That could do it getting older. Which is why. I am so impressed with pete. And seth talbot on a mission. You rarely see this kind of focus and commitment seriously. They recently shared with me that they are doubling down and one to literally double their total number of happy customers in the next year. Am i believe they'll do it. So here's the deal if you're struggling with back neck shoulder hip or knee pain. 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It's one thing to know about the weapons of our warfare to know about the god but you have to activate it you have to use it and so before the break. We're talking about fighting. People are afraid of that terminology. But we can't be timid and shy. We have to stand up. We have to fight against this tyranny and until we get a full of it we're not going to and so the book is about how to appropriate god's armor in our life individually. Okay so let's talk about that. Because i do think that there's a facility in the church there. People that we had a pastor. Mike thomson from las vegas on here. And he always talks about third heaven authority scripturally. God gives his people authority that if you're operating in the name of jesus and in the power of the holy spirit you have authority. Most people think like well. That's presumptuous. I'm just gonna hide back here. And i think that's not biblical folks. We gotta we're supposed to act or recall. The bowl does not belligerence. I don't have to be a jerk for jesus but you know the world has all your just arrogant. No don't mistake arrogance for passion. I'm passionate about standing up and fighting for the bible and in this case the constitution. Because we do have a republic to save. There's no doubt about that. But i mean there are a lot of people in in the evangelical world A lot of folks in christian university so called christian universities that they don't understand this they all. They almost seem naively to say like well. We'll we don't. We don't wanna fight for america as though that's a dirty thing and those they they they act as though it's kind of a jingoistic chest-beating kind of thing and it's about building up the kingdom of america and clearly. That's not what we're seeing. So how do you explain that. Well you know. Cnn recently come to our church and said are you a christian nationalists. They loved. Throw that terminology around us. And if you mean by that that i loved the nation. And i follow jesus christ then absolutely but to them. Those are two terms irreconcilable. They can't understand. How can you love god and love the nation. My question is how can you not love god and still not love the nation because he's a god of nations the god of abraham isaac and jacob the god of israel and i mean the gospel redemption is for all nations. And so i think if you're gonna be a believer you ought to love the nation. You ought to stand up because we do have a church. Issue judgment doesn't begin at the white house. Judgment begins god's house and because god's house is not in order because we're not humbling ourselves repenting believe we're watching. This horrible tidal wave of of a tyrannical government takeover. The station i. I want to say we're talking about your book. Weapons of our warfare but in my book if he can keep it i home in this specific issue of when you say i love america what that really should mean is that i love the idea of america. It's not a tribe. We are an idea and we are the nation for other nations. Did lincoln say we're the last best hope of earth because god cares about every nation beyond america and he has blessed this nation to be a light for them a light of liberty and all of those ideas in those blessings that we have in america. Come from god yes and if you don't want acknowledge it as such if you think you're better 'cause you're an american you're a fool right. That's not what the scripture says. But people in places like cnn. They are so uneducated. They are basically illiterate with regard to the history of america and certainly with regard to what the scripture says. So they kind of come at it like well if you love america. That's just like you know. Nazis loving germany. They they don't seem to be able to understand. But i mean seriously they do not understand how you or i would be different from nazis who love who loves germany and by the way. Let me put it this way. Because i say to my bone offer book the the true germans hated the nazis. Hm okay the nazis didn't love god's idea of germany. They loved hitler's idea of germany. But a true. German loves god's idea of germany and a true american only loves god's idea of america talking about crushing the he then and we're not talking about a now would want to ask you your background greg. What brought you to this place. What is what is your story. Because there are so few pastors in america meeting more and more that are that are like you praise god but but what led you to be the man of god you are. Today traveled for almost eleven years as an evangelist. Forty eight states fifteen countries and so i just began to see the demise i begin to see the the crumbling of our nation and so then fifteen years ago in two thousand six. I came off the road. Fulltime started the church. It was way before any type of social media presence you know the thing just blew up in two thousand sixteen and we just you know. The sky was the limit. And so i just began to see that pastors just standing there just to have this willy nilly idea. Just kind of approach. The poop dila beloved welcome to be here and people were bored. What i'm finding is men that hey church love. Our church and wives are super excited because we have hundreds and hundreds of men that are come to our church. Like we wanna may in our pastor. We won't this guy to stand up. Say what needs to be said. And so i think the lack of having a backbone drove me to want to have a ministry that stiffens people's backbones that make sense it makes perfect sense and it's wonderful to hear just to hear alvin. Am i right just to hear him. Pronounce men we say men with the way you say it. It's like me. And i'm just here but no kidding. I think that is part of the magic sauce. That there's a jessa belic spirit of foot in the land and when men are men women love it they think. Where have you been and man love to see that. And that's why churches have been feminist. Look this way back into nineteenth century mark twain. Made fun of it you know. All the old women love church church biddies but when you see a church full of men who love god it has a whole different character and that makes the spirit of this age very uncomfortable. It's at war with the spirit of the age. And it's at war with what you see in american newsrooms and an american media. They are very uncomfortable by strong. Godly men yeah absolutely this weekend. As a matter of fact we have a pastor artur from canada that was arrested. Run out the nazis the polish canadian past. We have him come to our church to speak for a few minutes. I'll be sharing the platform with him. And i told in a few weeks ago. Look if it ever happens here. Who's going to stand up. And take the mike and i bet we had two hundred and fifty men stand up and say we'll preach preach we'll stand. We'll do what's right. We'll carry on the torch and that's what is missing in the church men that will stand up and be men of god. Holy guacamole alvin. Are you listening to this. We can't post this on youtube red hot. Oh oh we've been banned from you to praise the lord so listen to what you're saying i know this resonates big time. There are people around this country there already. They're they're just like yes. Yes yes and i have met a handful of pastures like you that it's such a breath of fresh air and their churches like yours are blowing us up. The numbers people are so hungry. I'm speaking at pastor. Ken graves church bangor maine. That guy's got the kind of voice that makes us women like he gargled with gravelled morning. Rob mccoy's church. Jack hibs his church around the country. There are a number of passers that have stood up like you have an. It is astonishing how god has blessed. These congregations their social media. And i'm us about that in your church because the numbers the social media and it is astonishing. What is more astonishing is the fact that there are so few of us that have stood up and done this. I mean people like well. There must be hundreds of no. There's about twenty of us really in the entirety of the nation. So we were in our church. And of course we've had a few million followers on facebook and instagram and all that for years but once it started and we refused to bow we were in multiple services and a small little bill and that set maybe two hundred fifty people. And now we're in a tent and everybody's like oh you're an attempt because the cove and we're in a tent because we can't get back in the building because we have a thousand people coming every sunday morning in a massive tent. That'll hold sixteen hundred people so for the sixth time. Cnn showed up with their cameras and a couple of weeks ago. They said oh. We're bothered by what you're doing. Because you have profited from covert. I said no. We profited from courage. That's what we profit from. People are coming because they won't bold leadership and so. That's what's happening. I if people you know. I know people can listen to every syllable on this program. So let me just sum up the cnn when they say stuff like that. That is the voice of the devil. Okay that is the voice of the devil when they say oh you're profiting from covid. Yeah what a what a what a satanic y filthy pernicious lie. People are so hungry a for for what you are exhibiting. And you know. It's god it's not greg gridlock apps god and you acknowledge it and i listen. I think people on the left are scared because they have to quote the movie tour. They have awakened a sleeping giant Is the church of jesus christ which believes in liberty Believes in godly manhood. These basic things that if you really understand them. You're not threatened by them. You are thrilled. You're blessed by them. So i think there are a lot of men across country who are seeing this and listen gregg. I would bet that it is because of what has happened because of you and a few other pastors have stood up. That is what is leading to revive and men who would never be bothered with church. You're saying wait a second right. I can get behind that and guess what thanks to covid. People are watching this stuff on the internet. And they're saying you know what. I'm going to go to that church on on the web instead of going to my dead church down the road i'm gonna i'm gonna. I'm gonna watch that sermon. And i'm going to have house church. I mean. it's a beautiful folks talking to pastor greg. Lock the book new book second in the series correct. The first one is this means war and second one. The new one is brand new right now. Weapons of our warfare. 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Labs rx dot com for free health tips podcasts. And they're popular online store. Call eight eight eight nine zero nine zero one zero. Ask for ray. And tell them eric sent you. That's eight eight eight nine zero nine. Zero one zero hidden taxes here built some fired up. I'm talking to pastor. Greg locke l. o. c. k. e. The new book is weapons of our warfare. Unleashing the power of the god. So what are you talking about. In this book pastor greg just understanding that knowing about the armor of god is one thing but actually using it utilizing it because you had to protect your mind because you lose the battle in your mind. It's only a matter of time before he leaves. The battle in your body was about these shoes of the gospel of peace. We're all called to be preachers. Evangelists apostles of the gospel of jesus christ and so the sort of the spirit. It's one thing for the bible to be the centerpiece to your living room. It needs to be the centerpiece to your lifestyle. And so that's the problem on go around the world. People begged me for bibles. We have thirty copies in our house and we don't even read them and so i want people to understand. The power of god is available to every christian. Everybody sits on its own bottom. If you don't have it it's your fault. God's wow i feel rebuked seriously though you where you're saying that the power of the mind okay. I realize that during the times in which we live now it is very difficult unless you are surrounded by the right people. The right voices unless you're looking at the right stuff on social media on the web and not the wrong stuff you. It's hopeless. If the level of lying i mean really. It's like gables had to work overtime with propaganda today. Propaganda is everywhere. There are people complying with it. And so unless you guard your mind and your heart actively and so for me that is being around people who get it who can remind me. Hey you're not crazy. We all see what you see. And i guess people getting that in your church. Yeah they're getting it in the church every single sunday every wins the every service and Because we're trying to purify the mind because as a man thinks in his heart so easy and so. I'm giving my people a non defeatist attitude. We are not fighting for victory. We are fighting from victory and god is not done. This beautiful season live in. This is what paul wanted to live in right here. Isn't it amazing. Now what you just said i. I love when christian. Say things that only christians will get like what you just said. We're not fighting for victory fighting from victory now. A lot of people listening might not get that. So what do you mean biblically. What does that mean. We're fighting from victoria. Jesus said john nineteen thirty. It is finished. It is done. We add nothing to that. We take nothing away. We believe in the finish work of christ or we don't we don't serve a dead you at a palestinian tune. We have risen savior. He's defeated seeing death. Held the grave the devil the whole deal and so we're not try to fight for something that we don't already have greater is he. That is in us than he is in the world now. There are a lot of people that they call themselves christians but they're not walking in that and they don't think it's right to walk in that. They think that that would be like you know beating your chest. America's great god wins and we're trying to say is there's a biblical view of that in an unbe view that and we're trying to give the biblical view that we're supposed to know. Jesus died for us and saved us. We're supposed to know he gave us that. Victory was supposed to know that and that's not hubris that's biblical absolutely and that's why i wrote this book. Put on the armor of god. That's god's terminology not greg's terminology. We read the back of the book. It doesn't end with the word. Oh meetings with amy we win. I it so you said you had to how many people in your church this sunday we had twenty. Six states represented this past sunday morning. They fly literally physically under the ten twenty six twenty six state that goes by the people. Don't fly from california oregon washington state texas florida just to be in. What kind of sacrifice it is. You gotta wear that damascus. The plane a sacrifice. No seriously this is happening. i've spoke. I spoken mccoy's church. I spoke in a jacobs's cherge. I spoke in a few these churches around the country and it is a phenomenon it is it is when i came out onto the the pulpit church i like. It took me thirty seconds to take in what i was looking at her massive. I said what is this. It was like people as far as the eye could see. And i realized that this has happened since co vid people have had enough here and they are turning to voices of reason. Voices of confidence and strength voices of truth in and voices of jesus and and so this is a phenomenon. You gotta understand greg. You realize this is not normal in other words for people to be able to do church online and to say like you know what i love. Jack hibs i love greg. Block ma'am. i'm gonna listen to them once a week. That wasn't possible years ago right so something. God works all things together for good including overreached by the government including kovic. God can use these terrible things for his purposes. Insure seems like he's doing it. If you've got people flying from around the country to tennessee and the beautiful thing is those that don't get their they watch every week. We have a hundred thousand people every week. That watch our livestream. That's amazing numbers. I mean that's daunting and humbly hundred thousand people a week. Watch street that is. It's just astonishing. But this gives me hope and i want to give my audience. This is exciting. Yes it is. This is so exciting because there are there. You said there's maybe twenty passes like you standing up. But there's there's millions and millions of americans who are just so excited to see that we didn't just lay down california. That this kind of illustrates point. Things got so bad in california that suddenly all these pastors and churches popped up and who knows how many people are getting fed the meat not the milk in in these days Man so you are you preaching church weekends. Yeah on there every sunday. I never miss no matter how much i travel. I never miss sunday's so many people just come in just to meet us just to say thank you for what you're doing and similar life are always there. Isn't this a wonderful ideas. Love is this is. This is so exciting have you. We won't wabi. I'll hobby honored abi really honored. But it's such a beautiful thing. And i think we all need to get encouraged. And when i visited these different churches. I have been mightily encouraged. Just just amazed. I was just in leesburg virginia at cornerstone chapel. It's another one of these churches. they are standing up. This is leesburg. Virginia just outside. The you know the devils beltway there all right. I'm talking to pass. We're gonna be right back folks. The book is weapons of our warfare. Don't go away folks. I'm talking to pastor greg lock. The book is weapons of our unleashing. The power of the armor of god. It's kind of like a how to isn't it because a lot of people they they have this head knowledge to say but they don't know that they have to walk in it. It just breaks it down like a manual just chapter by chapter or but we're and i think it can be very helpful. It's already been super help of everybody in our church. That's about it. they love it. Well let me ask you if people wanna find your church online where do they go The biggest thing to do is go to pastor. Greg lock on facebook. The blue checkmark come up okay. They'll be able to us. They're also in youtube. If they google's that'd be a lot of unsavory things from cnn but they can find us. They're beautiful and cnn's attack new year over the target. Well i wanna talk to you about your growing up. Because we didn't we didn't get there. I mean what kind of a home did you grow up in. And what happened to lead you to become. The evangelist became and that kind of thing well. My father was in the tennessee state penitentiary for about the first nine. Ten years of my life. So i had to rebuild a relationship with him and didn't know him growing up and have done that he's been saved baptize. Love the lord and a struggle with cancer right now but my mom remarried a gentleman. My stepfather that still to this day. We have very little if any relationship. I'm forty five years old. I could tell you the very place. I was the very close i was wearing. I could tell you that. The spot where i was standing the one and only time in my whole life that he ever told me he me. I was just longing for that acceptance. And so i was really reaching out into a lot of juvenile delinquencies and so i was arrested six times on probation five times and finally get shipped to an orphanage and so i lived in a boys home for four years from sixteen to nineteen only about forty miles from where i live now and so i came to christ. There was a preacher. Dave been walked louisiana evangelist and he was preaching one night and the children's home had taken to a revival meeting on friday. I got mad on saturday. I went back. And i got saved and that was in nineteen ninety-two april seventeenth. Twenty nine years ago and within weeks god began to work on a heart to preach. I was so nervous. I didn't wanna. I don't wanna tell anybody and so i went to summer. Camp surrendered that year and in november of nineteen ninety-two. I started preaching the gospel and went off to seminary in north. Carolina traveled as an evangelist. And like i said fifteen years ago. Started the church when i was thirty. This is so exciting. Because he what god can do in a life. Yes i mean most people would say oh with that kind of a background. Your mind. you're going. You're in and out of jail. You're in and out of this. Forget it that guy is gonna have a tough life. Not according to god. I mean that is increasingly. Isn't amazing. And what i what i always find interesting too is that you know the very things that the devil will use in our personality once god gets a whole of that fire that You know it's almost kind of funny. Because if you're subversive your nature you're kind of like the devil can use it or god can use it and now god is using it. You're born with the same gifts of the devil. Can pervert it but once you get the holy spirit could use it right so the fire you have and the mischief. That's the god's misuse god's miss said and it's a beautiful thing and i think all the people may be listening right now who knows somebody who's really troubled and maybe we don't say enough on this program Jesus really is the answer People have a lot of trouble in their lives and they think that that's for them somehow. They're afraid of it. They don't want to be like those religious people they know maybe these have met the right religious people. Yeah well the problem. Is i think it is religious people and we're talking about a of viable real relationship with jesus christ who is not just a way to heaven. He's the one and only way to heaven and gives life and life more abundantly and piece that passes all understanding and all these verses that we know. It's beautiful when you finally surrender your life to christ old things are passed away off things become new and you know people need to know that and repeat that just as you did. I mean to understand that. it's not incremental. it's not like wow. I'm not feeling well and just makes me feel better. No no no no. You're dead you. you're a corpse. And jesus makes you alive and you need to train your mind to understand. That is. That is what the bible says. Yes now you can walk in half measures so you can walk in what it says but it says that and your your life is proof of that to go from where you were to wear. God brought you that. That's not normal. And the tagline for our churches were broken. People finding means your life and we'll reach and broken people literally by the hundreds because we're all broken right raw broken. Somebody said the only reason. The pope thinks he's perfect. 'cause he's not married. If you ever get married. His wife indifferent we all have seen. We all have problems. That's normal this pope. I still think you no it is. It is beautiful lena. So your church is mount juliet tennessee. Just outside of nashville. And so we like. Where's that near franklin seven miles straight east of the airport yet rate east to the airport too easy in a flying there for church on. No that's it's a it's a wonderful thing. Now when you say that you refuse to shut down when during the lockdown and that kind of stuff i mean i would think tennessee would have been one of the least ugly states to be in because you have a pretty good governor but you still had a lot of pushback probably the first couple of months. There wasn't a service that went by that. The sheriff people didn't show up but they love my videos. We backed up with. We're not going to pass a lot. we get it. It's nonsense but they keep calling so once once. I didn't go to jail once. They didn't shut us down then. The state started showing up. The county started showing up this. They try to violate us on all different types of ordinances. And you know things like that. They've tried to get us on a on a faulty sewer permit just to shut us down. Then the neighbors got together pulled money together. Bought the land next to us because we were buying it so that we couldn't expand and the lord ended up turning all of that around and the other neighbor rented us the land behind us and so now we have it for parking. And so it's it's really been. It's been a nightmare but it's been a beautiful nightmare. It's been brutal beautiful. Say it's been brutal and so he's not gonna stop or i'm going to shut down and so we just keep going and going and going and people need to understand your in what i would consider a good state a red state with a with a christian governor and stuff. But you're still when you're when you're facing. I mean i say this just as a teaching thing for folks that look a lot of good people don't understand things. They need to be educated. They need to be made to understand. that what everybody is saying is not necessarily true and one of the things that i've been noticing too is that this has been a season where a lot of people have been genuinely misled by the media by medical professionals. We're in a weird time right now where we're where we're journalism have all fallen under a shadow and they have really destroyed. We used to have a basic confidence in that stuff and now we know whatever found. She says it's probably wrong. Whatever this governor says is probably wrong. It's a new thing for americans we need to think for ourselves a little bit more which is good and bad We're coming to the close of an hour. We're going to keep you for another segment folks. I'm talking to pastor greg lock. The book is weapons of our warfare. Unleashing the power of the armor of god. It's the second in the series the first book we talked about six months ago. This means war. And we'll be right back with pastor. Greg don't go away Seen the slow now owned one. I have done you shared all. I'll all of you to thirty. They complain us. I agree one hundred percent. Because i am old. Okay okay alvin yes sir. We've got a lot of fun stuff in this. This is like an entertaining segment. We're going to do right now before we go into substantive too. I realize that card. I got in the mail. I was telling you about this before we went on the air today. You get to a certain age and then you get advertisements in the mail. That are like a little creepy. I have. i think. I know you didn't you didn't what you do with it. I hung on. Oh here it is on video watching on video. You could see this card. I actually got this from cemetery. Okay and they said they're having an open house weekend and they say way alvin. That's what happened with fun factor. I gotta shut you down and explained to. The people album is not joking. It's funny but he. This is one hundred percent true. You gotta tell people. This is real. 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The Message That Will Bring A Last Day Revival

National Prayer Chapel, Pilgrim's Progress

53:42 min | 9 months ago

The Message That Will Bring A Last Day Revival

"The following program sponsored by the national prayer chapel G vast a law. Ingram you off through a meaning. A welcome to pilgrim's progress the deep love of jesus. It's beyond anything i've ever known. It's hard to even describe. All of this is coming to a great conclusion. A final great conclusion in the coming of jesus. Christ i believe that before the coming of jesus there will be a great falling away but there will also be a very straight preaching of a message that will bring revival. Many who are in the will find themselves leaving the church and many who are on the outside will come now. I have several passages of scripture. I could not say such a thing. If i did not turn to the word of god and give you very clear direction regarding this final message that will bring revival in the end of time and we are there now in matthew twenty four. Jesus begins to speak about what is going to happen at the very end of time. It's in response to questions that his disciples are asking. I'll begin in matthew. Twenty four burst nine. Then you will be handed over to be and put to death. You'll be hated by all nations because of me and at that time many will turn away from the faith and betray and hate each other and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Many false prophets have shown up and they have deceived. Many people burst twelve because of the increase of wickedness. The love of most will grow cold. That phrase in the in the greek grow cold means literally a verb to breathe gently to chill slowly. So what we've watched in my lifetime and the church is the world the devil blowing gently upon the church chilling. It and it has grown very chilly. This is what jesus said would happen. As we came to the end of time and then those who have been blown upon and have become very chilly they will blow out of the church or they will be revived as in the revelation. Three passage with live to see a where they will once more be ignited with a fire of the holy spirit verse. Fourteen and this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations and then the end will come. I want you to notice. At the end of matthew. There is what we have always traditionally referred to as the great commission. It reads like this in matthew. Twenty eight all authority in heaven on earth has been given to me therefore go and make disciples of all nations baptizing them in the name of the father the son and the holy spirit and preach and teaching them to obey everything i have commanded you and surely i am with you always to the very end of the age. This gospel commission is different than this final matthew. Twenty four preaching of the gospel. This matthew twenty four passages in the face of the church that has grown chilled cold. Lukewarm and this gospel of the kingdom will be preached to the whole world as a testimony to all nations and then the end will come so you see there is a difference between this last and day proclamation and the gospel commission this n day does not have the emphasis on teaching everyone to obey everything that jesus has commanded instead. It is a testimony to all nations that the end has come now. There's another passage. We need to turn to to get a full understanding of what's being said here. And it's found in the book of acts in the book of acts in the story of peter. Healing the crippled man after the man is healed and everybody is listening. Peter preaches men of israel. Why does this surprise you. Why do you stare at us. As if by our own power or godliness. We'd made man walk the god. Of abraham isaac and jacob the god of our fathers has glorified his servant. Jesus this is what we're going to see at the end of time. We're going to hear a message. That will bring glory to the name of jesus christ as a testimony to the nation's now that message i'm going to share from the scripture. What that message is going to be an exact words. It may shock. you burst fourteen. This is acts three verse fourteen. You disowned the holy and righteous one. And ask that god and ask that a murder be released to you. You kill the author of life. But god raised him from the dead. We are witnesses of this. By faith in the name of jesus this man whom you see and know was made strong it is jesus name and the faith that comes through him that has given complete healing to him as you can see. Now move with me. Bursts nineteen repent. Then turn to. God that is stretch your heart out to god so that your sins may be wiped out that times of refreshing may come from the lord so we've seen through all of history that when there was a time of earnest repentance. On the part of god's people when men and women began to turn to god and search after him to have their sins wiped out then times of refreshing or times of revival. The word revival is not found in the scriptures but these times of revival would come. I think of jonathan edwards and the first great awakening. I think of george whitfield jonathan and john wesley i think of charles finney. And then as oozes street. The jesus movement in america times of refreshing refer to times of the holy spirit coming. He is the one who refreshes us. He is the one who brings to us the water of life that jesus promised we could drink of if we would come to him now in the sermon that he gave that peter gave at pentecost. He quoted the prophet joel in the last days. God says i will pour out my spirit on. All people lured the spirit of god is going to be poured out on everybody. Everyone will not respond. Your sons and daughters will prophesy. Your young men will see visions. You're old men will dream dreams either. My servants both men and women. I will pour out my spirit. In those days and they will prophesy wonders in the heavens above and signs on the earth below blood and fire and billows of smoke and the sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and glorious day of the lord and everyone who calls on the name of the lord will be saved. It was quoting from the book of joel so there will be a time of refreshing. That will come after the devil has blown on the church and cooled it down and certainly if you would ask today in the american church. Has it been blown on by the devils breath and you would have to answer yes. It is lukewarm. It is the church at layered assia. Now it's very clear. The church could not live this way. Jesus said i'm about to spit you out of my mouth. I'm about to vomit you out. You make me sick. He saying that to his church at the end of time because they have been chilled down by satan's gently blowing on them so that they don't even realize what's happening they just slowly slowly slowly. They watch television. If you watch the super bowl you were blown on by the breath of the devil and he series your mind and you'll have a hard time reading scripture. Now you'll have a hard time praying with any fervent city. The devil blows on us with the television. He blows on us with the sports events. He blows on us with clubs with novels pornography with every kind of perversion in wickedness. And the church just goes right along with. It doesn't seem to have a problem with it. So the church can accept every kind of deviancy. The church can accept. Every kind of wicked thing seems to be okay and people even argue against the word of god for the right to be tolerant of wickedness and to stop even calling it wickedness. But to say we're just being loving people. Jesus is not nearly as interested in us being loving people as he is in are being obedient people obedient to the word hell's going to be filled with lots of people who call themselves christians and even have a heart of love but they've been cool by the devils breath as he blew upon them and they enjoyed and participated in the darkness. Some of you love your alcohol and you say there's nothing wrong with it. Timothy was told by paul that he should have a little yes. He didn't say four or five glasses. It didn't say a bottle. Some of you are becoming alcoholics and as you become an alcoholic you slowly have been blown upon by the devils breath. You lose your irvine. See you become argumentative. You become hard to deal with. Your family doesn't know how to deal with you because if they say to. You explode in defensive anger. You're in trouble. Mr. you're in trouble. You guzzle your beer and you watch tv and the devils blowing on you. And he is causing you to have no interest in the deep things of the lord. Many of you will go for days without even cracking your bible but you say you do read your bible but in reality. You don't read your bible. You might pick up a devotional book once in a while and look at it. Why because the devil's been blowing on you and you have gotten very cold in your heart. You know you take a hot soup. Take the spoon and you who you blow on that spoon of soup and you put it in your mouth and it's nice. It's just perfect temperature. It's not hot doesn't burn you. It's called a lukewarm christian. You don't offend anybody. You're tolerant like the world. Whatever is is okay. Look i just want to be loving and kind. I just wanna care. I want my beer alcohol. I want my club. I want this. I want that. I want my football. I want and the devils blowing on you. And he's cooling your heart and if you don't recognize the devils breath he will win and you will totally lose out with jesus. Jesus wants you to be hot on fire alive not lukewarm. Not cold you want you to bear witness to him. We have come literally to the end of time. And we see in america every kind of wickedness is being promoted as being righteous not just by the world but by the church well by the episcopal church by the united methodist church by many other churches by the anglican church by the baptist church. I just read a news. Article in a baptist pastor who congratulated joe biden on again funding planned parenthood one of the most evil organizations that ever existed on the face of the earth and yet this pastor is complementing the president for restoring their funding. How is that possible. The devil's been blowing on that man soul and he's almost gone. There's almost no hope for him. I hope you hear what i'm saying. Today you have to decide. We are at literally the end of time. I wanna come to specifically what message must be preached in this end daytime. What message must be preached. If there's going to be that last day revival was very clear if you come to romans the sixth chapter. This is the message. I'm going to be much more specific out of the book of revelation. But first let me just share. This begin reading with verse two. We died to sin. How can we live in it any longer. Or don't you know that. All of us who are baptized into christ were baptized into his death. We were there for buried him through baptism into death. In order that just as christ was raised from the dead to the glory of the father we to may live a new life. If we have been united with him like this in his death we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection. Gender stand there is a death. There is a taking up of your cross denying of yourself. Ah taking up your cross and following of jesus. We know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with that we should no longer be slaves to sin because anyone who has died has been freed from sin and yet the modern church teaches that you can never be freed from your sin until you die but paul says that your old self was crucified and this body of sin is done away with that. We should no longer be slaves to sin. The modern church. Says you're going to always be a slave to sin. That's the devils breath blowing on you comforting. You and your wickedness convincing you that. You're okay just keep going because anyone who has died has been freed from sin. That's present tense now. If you die with christ crucified with him you are then also resurrected with him. Currently now in a resurrected state and you've been freed from sin. No it it is important. It's vital that we claim that in the name of jesus and we stand by faith that we are utterly freed from our sin and we stopped condemning ourself and we stop calling ourselves centers and we stopped saying. Nobody can be perfect speaking. Those lies of the devil that he's been blowing upon our spirit from the pulpits of america. Instead we make new affirmation that i left my sin walking clean. I'm now walking in the power of the spirit. Remember the passage that i just shared with you out of acts i want to go back to it very quickly just so you can hear it. Repent turn to god that your sins may be wiped out that times of refreshing may come from the lord. We need those times of refreshing now and there will be a great outpouring of the holy spirit in refreshing power at the end of time. But what is that final message. That comes the final message of grace that comes from the heart of jesus for you. What is that message to. You know where it's found in the book of revelation. I grew up with this. It was called the three angels message found in the fourteenth chapter of the book of revelation. Let me read it. I saw another angel flying in the mid air and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth will. What is the journal gospel. That jesus was born of a virgin did he is fully god and fully man that he was crucified and on the third day he rose he was resurrected. He was the atoning sacrifice for our sins. And now by the blood of jesus christ we can stand by faith that the old man of sin is utterly destroyed. Paul uses the word utterly destroyed not put down not repressed but destroyed finished. Gone if you remember john. Wesley spoke about that. He said as i shared with you earlier. There was a a low road and a high road. Both he said led to salvation both came about when a person was born from above or born again. They were crucified with christ and they left their life of sin. They no longer walked in any known rebellion against the most high god. Now the high road he said would take place in a moment of crisis when we finally become so exhausted and so tired of fighting with the old man we say lord. Jesus would you just remove it. Now can all happen at one but it doesn't usually my experience. It happens at a later time at a point of crisis. Were a believer says. I can't fight this any longer. Chases take this old man from mir. I'm going to die again. Well how does that happen. It is a miracle. Of god's grace salvation comes to us as a miracle of god's grace and not by works lest anyone could boast. It is a sovereign miraculous. Work of god that he does in us and for us. This eternal gospel will be proclaimed one more time at the end of time. It's going to be proclaimed by an angel flying in mid air. Now we've learned that angel does not necessarily mean a heavenly being angel in the greek simply means a messenger in the churches of revelation. We recognize that. The angel of the church of sardis or the angel of the church of lay to see is the pastor of that church. So i don't think that the lord god of heaven is going to put in the hands of angel the proclamation of the gospel. I believe it is a person or persons who will make this final proclamation and i suspect it will be done via radio through the airwaves but i don't know the scripture simply says another angel or another messenger flying in mid air and he had the terminal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth. There will be this final great proclamation found in revelation fourteen. I believe this will be the great revival. Now there are those who say no. The great revival takes place during the tribulation after a secret rapture. I'm not going to argue with any man about whether there's a secret rapture or not. I hope there is. I don't think there is i. Don't find it. In the scriptures. I find lots of twisting and bending of the word to make it appear that there is a secret coming of jesus for his people where people disappear out of airplanes and cars out of their homes and they just disappear. I don't find that in the scripture. Hope it's true. I won't fight with anybody about it. But i can't find it but regardless of when this last proclamation comes it is the final proclamation of the eternal gospel before everything begins to totally destruct. The call is to worship him. Who made the heavens. The earth the sea and the springs of water so the final message to the earth is a call to worship the creator. Jesus christ it is a call of the last judgement of the final judgement so the last message that will be proclaimed god's people will be a judgment message a judgment message that says look. This is your last chance. If you don't respond now to this eternal gospel you will be cast into the fires of hell with the devil and the beast and the false prophet now. Don't wait until that time to respond to this eternal gospel. You don't know when your last nerve is you don't know when you will simply be gone this. Last saturday i led a funeral for very precious friend of many years as she lay in that casket. I looked at her. I said sister. Your journey is over. I hope you're ready. I hope you ready. She believed in. Jesus but i don't know if she was ready. She lives some distance from me her family. I had a wonderful time with family and extended family and could talk and share. Some of them are not ready for this judgment day. I am gravely concerned about that. The last message. That god will give jesus christ by the spirit will be to give glory to god because the hour of his judgement has come. It's over worship. Him is the creator. God that is jesus christ. Look at the gospel of john. The first chapter look at hebrews. The first chapter the colossians the first chapter. They'll all tell you that. Jesus is god and he was the creator. God he created the heavens and the earth all things that were made were made for him and by him and he has a right now to come to us and say look. The our of your judgment has come. Your case is now going to be decided. What will you decide. Then the second angel followed there was some time in space between these proclamations. I don't know how much time this is. Revelation fourteen verse eight a second angel followed and said fallen. Fallen is babylon the great which made all the nations drink the maddening wine of her adultery. So as this message is going out that is telling everyone. Look you have one last chance you have one last opportunity and then babbling is going to be destroyed. I saw another angel coming down from heaven. Had great authority in the earth was illuminated by splendor with a mighty voice. He shouted fallen. Fallen is babylon the great. She has become a home for demons. A haunt forever evil spirit. A haunt for every unclean detestable bird for all the nations have drunk the maddening wine of her adulterous. The kings of the earth committed adultery with her in the merchants of the earth. gu rich from her excessive luxuries. Sounds like america to me. Heard another voice from heaven saying come out of her my people so that you will not share in her sins so that you will not receive any of her plagues for her sins are piled up to heaven and god has remembered her crimes. Give back to her as she is given pay her back double for what she has done. Mixer a double portion from her own cup give her as much torture and grief as the glory and luxury. She gave herself in her heart. She boasts i sit as a queen. I am not a widow. And i will never mourn therefore in one day. Her plagues will overtake her death. And mourning and famine. She will be consumed by fire for mighty is the lord. God who judges or kings of the earth who committed adultery with her shared her luxury. What's it mean. Shared with mean committed adultery with her means simply that they agreed with her unjust practices with her unjust alliances to destroy nations. Think of iraq afghanistan. Libya i could go on and on with the list of names and nations have participated with america in this. We have caused the death of many innocent people. Now don't get me wrong. We have done much good. We've sent out countless numbers of missionaries. We have given incredible aid to many many nations. We've saved many starving people but the devil's been blowing on us as a nation. He's been chilling us down. He's been stealing our fire. He's been stealing our integrity so we could have an election and be utterly corrupt. We could see corruption on every level of government and in the people. Whoa whoa whoa. Great city over babylon city of power. In one hour your doom has come causes me to tremble causes me to tremble. Now there is a third angel that comes this last day message. That calls us to repent is broken up into three messages. The first the hour of god's judgement has come here the gospel one last time. Make a decision. About whether you're going to go with the power of jesus christ humble your heart deny yourself your cross and follow him or if you're going to continue leading the devil blow on your life and chill you down. Take all of your fervor all of your fire all of your all of your energy strip you and review. That's what the devils doing. There's a third great message. Third angel followed said in a loud voice if anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on their forehead or on their hand. He too will drink of the wine of god's fury which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. Lear you have it. There are only two ways. There is the eternal gospel of jesus christ and the terminal. Gospel is the good news of the coming of the kingdom of jesus christ on the earth this incredibly wonderful message that the pride of man turns against and says i don't need anybody i i'm glad i'm as good as it gets. I'll live my life. I'll take my chances. You'll take your chances until you die and you will face the judgement bar of god and now the messages even the living today going to face now the judgment bar of god it's over. This is the message that will bring revival to america when we recognize that we are facing the judgment of god and we must deal with our sin or be cast into the fires of hell. Because that's the truth. Since he will drink the wine of god's fury which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath he will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels of the lamb and the smoke of their torment rises forever. And ever. there's no rest day or night for those who worshipped the beast and his image or for anyone who receives the mark of his name. This calls for patient endurance. On the part of the saints who obey god's commands and remain faithful to jesus. So you have now. The final separation taking place between those who will not give way to darkness who will turn away the cooling breath of the devil on their life. Who were going to turn off their televisions who are going to turn away from the entertainment. Who are not going to go to the clubs. Turn away from their alcohol and tobacco in their drugs. They're going to turn away from cheating and lying and stealing. They are going to become honest citizens of the most high kingdom and then we have those who will continue to lie and cheat and steal who will serve money who will serve people who will be people pleasers who will always be tolerant. Never stand up for the truth. Never make anybody uncomfortable. Never draw a line in the sand and say no you cannot go this way. You will face hell if you go that way. Some pastors teach this incredible. Lie that once you are saved. You can never be lost. You're always going to be a part of the family of god. That's a lie from the pit of hell. I'll show you how. I know that one internationally. Famous pastor from california preached a sermon. That i listened to and in that sermon. He said god will understand. If at the end of time to feed your family you have to take the mark of the beast. He said all of your sins past present and future. We're forgiven at the cross. And so your sin of receiving the mark of the beast is forgiven by jesus at the cross that's in total position to what the word of god says the word of god says there's no rest day or night for those who worshipped the beast and his image or for anyone who receives the mark of his name. This requires patient endurance. On the part of the saints. Why does this require patient endurance because they may go hungry. They may starve to death. We're going to have to be patient and endure whatever we have to endure. But if we take that mark of the beast. And i'm not going to go fully into that today. But if we take that mark of the beast we're going to receive the full fury the wrath and the torture of the almighty god of heaven so we have three very clear clean messages. I the hour. Of god's judgement has come now the our judge of god's judgment i believe today. This is the message that is already beginning to be proclaimed by those honest before. God god is judging the center to the babylon has fallen. It hasn't fallen yet. It's getting ready to fall and we will soon see it tumble into the dust. We're going to see total destruction of babylon. It will be burned. It won't be flooded with water. As with noah it will be burned. I believe babylon is a world system but also believe it represents a nation the leader of that system. The message will soon go out. Babylon is fallen. And when babylon falls you need to know when it does and you need to be out of it. You need to be hidden away in a safe place a safe haven or you will not survive. The third message is don't worship this beast power that has taken over the world. Governance don't worship this beast power. That has a one world currency. Don't sign up for it and don't take the mark that allows you to buy and sell. Don't do it determine now in your heart that you would rather die than receive the mark of the devil. I want the mark of the holy spirit on my forehead. Not the mark of the devil. This will require patient endurance. On the part of the saints. I recognize that. Please please hear me. You need to look carefully at your life and identify any blowing of satan on your life that is cooling your spiritual life with jesus. It could be coming through excessive hours of work that you're spending. I know of christians who are working incredible numbers of hours. And i ask them why they say. Because i have to have the money. They forget that. Jesus said seekie i the kingdom of god and his righteousness and all of these things will be given to you. Jesus is the one who gives us the ability to gain wealth. He is the one who provides for us. Our job is to seek his kingdom. Our job is to seek his righteousness to seek his heart. Many who call themselves. Christians love the entertainment of the world. I can't tell you how many christian people sat in front of their televisions and watch the violence of the football game the super bowl the lord. Jesus hates violence. He hates for all all pastor as one brother said there's nothing wrong with football is just a game. Oh is it really the gambling. The violence the wasted time the searing of your mind. Incredible you see we can defend ourselves so well pretending that the blowing of the devil on our life is refreshing. Don't want the devils refreshing. I want the refreshing that comes from the holy spirit that comes in power upon my life the causes me to speak with great compassion and love but with great firmness and honesty. I want the power and the refreshing of the holy spirit and not the refreshing of the devil because the devils refreshing is a searing of our minds so we cannot apprehend the cross and we cannot be can't even read the scriptures and pray. You see what i'm talking about. Look carefully at your life. Where's the devil blowing on your life whereas the devil trying to chill you out with money with work with entertainment with relationships. Where is the devil trying to chill you out so that you're not serious about the gospel. You've been listening to pilgrim's progress. God bless you brother and sister. I look forward to hearing from you. I need to hear from you. 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Hour 3: Knicks Fan? Why?

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Hour 3: Knicks Fan? Why?

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Welcome to Spain. And fits the podcast. Lots of NFL news quarterback news. Got the Kyle Murray news a couple days ago. We got flacco to the Broncos and here on Spain and Fitz Jason golf is hanging out with me filling in for fits we go to an expert on all things quarterback. We go to the shell Pennzoil performance line. We're quarterback guru, George Whitfield who I last saw in person randomly strolling along the boardwalk in San Diego, Manhattan. Yeah. Somewhere India somewhere down as God. What are we going flute and live in that you join that's knows what beat around really? Really was there was a there was an ocean near as let's start with Laco. What do you think he's still has in the tank, and do you think he's still motivated in the way he was with the ravens? And maybe it's an aberration. Those who believe that he didn't look as into it this year. I love this move. I personally loved this movie. I think it revives him. Like imagine his entire career has been in Baltimore. He's been at the possible. You know, there's there's no higher peaked in win the Super Bowl, then you get questioned then he faces that inevitable except for Brady that kind of that backs. Why that happens the mostly everybody else that runs the Super Bowl? You're not gonna hit every single year except for Brady. And then he gets to a point where you know. It's a little stagnant. Lot of switching of offense coordinators skill players kind of changing around on him. And he frankly level of play. You know, wasn't consistent. Now here comes the Broncos. Somebody that reaches out says, hey, we want you you just lost your job to a twenty one year old who still trying to put it all together. You lost the fans you lost. You know, kind of your own local confidence, you know, the the people's confidence in your game. Game new City New opportunity. I think you know, I think he's gonna come back in, you know, with at all Jay z Monica allow me to reintroduce myself. I think he's gonna come in sired up coming by. And I think it matches just to add another step. You're talking about the AFC west. It's it's big play big chunk football Mahomes chunks of downfield with the chiefs. So of rivers and the chargers all of a sudden like they don't think in don't they trunk the ball down the field car was a big like Trump the ball down slash risk taking offense. And so now the Broncos can kind of get into that same game push it down vertically, take bigshots. We know. That's flacco does. I mean, one of his career highlights happened in that stadium. So now all of a sudden, they can kinda revamp vehicle. It's a total different vehicle in what case keenum is driving. And I watched all day people compare is an upgrade. Is this is that this is different. It's just strictly you can just do different things and assistant you'll give away some things which being something George how much of that is play calling and how much of that is reprogrammed. I'm glad you mentioned the part about going down the field his yards per attempt for someone who has bigger arm as he has over the last few years hasn't been anything to write home about. So when we talk about guy seeing ghosts or guys having happy feet or guys just not looking down the field when you have this long tenure in the NFL. Can you reprogram quarterback or you just have to deal with what they've gone through and their experiences, and what they may be gun shy about. That's a great question there Jason. Yes. And yes, I think you can. I mean, you can revitalize guy. I don't think he's a so much reprogram somebody. But I think you can kind of hot wire them, and yeah that's in his game. Now if you're big play targets are absent. I you're not taking shots down the field. If you have a more conservative play caller, you're not really taking all those types of socks down the field. And if you kind of porous up front, you don't have the time to work all the way back in a big drop and try to shut it down the field. I think it's, you know, it's a collection of things this position, you know, largely. I mean, it's celebrated and all that. And it's the most dependent position maybe in sport. I mean because look how many things have to take place just for you to get a chance to do your job. And so yeah in some respects overrated and all the rest of that stuff. It is and overhead position sometimes. But. Just do your job the rest of the band had already execute its job. So you can do yours then you gotta come through with it. So I think it's a collection of you know, him being revitalized. And then. Yeah. From the boost to the sidelines of the huddle. I just I like it for both. I like it for the Broncos. And I like it like a quick answer on this storage before move on. We're talking to George Whitfield quarterback who where you can follow him on Twitter at George Whitfield to the Broncos have enough weapons and a good enough offensive line that even if he is coming in energized. He can be successful great question. But they you know, teams just they reinvent themselves year to year, you can go in the draft, and you can go into free agency. I mean, imagine if Antonio Brown east himself over to my stadium, and he found the new home flacco found I'm not I'm not trying to start something here. But you can kinda you can reinvent yourself overnight in the NFL. Oh, I mean some degree. Let's talk about shorter. I'm going good. Can do that shorter quarterbacks out? You're gonna say shorter quarterbacks. You've you've worked with some. I mean, Johnny Manziel famously and we talked to Daniel Jeremiah tried to get a scouts. I of what teams are looking at the tangible measurable that that that you must have if you are shorter quarterback. How do you go about making sure shorter quarterback is maximizing his potential and his talent. Well, I you got to be self aware that was, you know, the one thing I kinda learned with Menzel and some other guys who are at or around six feet, you gotta be self aware. So you have to you. I must you must be proficient between the tackles as much as everybody wants to get out of there. And even the big guys can exhale getting out of the pocket. So they can see and throw you gotta be proficient within the tackles doesn't matter if it's under center in the gun. You gotta be able to play through lanes. You gotta have a nice tolerance for you know, the chaos and all the movement. So that's one second would just go into color Murray. Your hands your hands size has more to do, you know, it's more of a tangible aspect to success, then your height like Russell Wilson has like a second or third largest hands of all starting quarterbacks in the NFL your hands size. Your hands is I mean determines that you can put that on the ball. You can't put six five on the ball. So when you watch Cuyler. You know, he's not using balls. You know, the big old grip. He can pump fake one way and pull it down. Come back. He's got power. So that the hand size the big factor. And then yeah, you have to have some awareness in terms of where they're coming from where am I protected, and then you know, I call that. You're an tenor thought Manziel had one of the best ever Steve Young had an incredible antenna. Just the fuel to get out of stuff. That's what Baker helped make Baker successful. And I think that's why there's going to be one or one be quarterback in this draft. They're spending Jason Gotha. Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio talking to quarterback guru, George Whitfield. You buy that cliff Kingsbury is sticking with Josh Rolan Josh's our guy Josh Rosen, or do you think that that's just trying to lead other teams astray strays they perhaps look into taking Cuyler and and flip in. You know, say I watched that. I'm not just saw on you know, two or three of the ESPN shows today, and I watched and I know cliff pretty well. I smile because he never said listen, we have our guy with done. Right. He just he just said, my feelings haven't changed. I don't know what the feelings were initially. And you just know it's like he he stamped both kids. And everybody's your guy told her not, right. Same guy, technically. Right. So he's he is correct. But man what a situation for the cardinals. And I you know, you hear all like you said the thousand different scenarios kissed the fact that he opened the door to multiple scenarios. It doesn't really lend to the idea that we have our guy were done there. And the other scenarios would be on the other twenty one positions on the field. He didn't really say that. Which means I think there's like a door stop in there where guy. You know, five nine guy from Oklahoma could probably squeeze in or has been left ajar. Thank you, Georgia. She at the insight, you got it. Thanks for having George Whitfield on the shell Pennzoil performance line. Win Valentine's Day with last-minute bouquets and arrangements from one eight hundred flowers dot com starting at twenty nine ninety nine these beautiful bouquets and deals won't last long and valentines days tomorrow. So order today at one eight hundred flowers dot com. Click the radio icon and enter code Spain straight ahead. Our thoughts on flacco goes move to Denver. Plus, we update the polls, which as usual are mostly going my way next on Spain bits Spain and Fitz having trouble getting back into this segment because Mike is a sent me a cartoon that has me crying. Again, you're dancing. Not crying. Thing you get in a full workout over there. One crying about this cartoon is a cartoon about the Rover. It's so sad. And you could check it out on my Twitter at sarahspain if you feel like crying about in an intimate object and a cartoon which into the. Into the polls. Those thing don't do the poll high. You don't want to be wrong. Well, it was the last time you were wrong Spain this segment. What was the last time? You were wrong about something, man. That's see remember. And it's funny because you see your spring. I say that not do that. I'm the guy with no humility, you know, I'm I'm the jerk. That's invading his show. All that other stuff. You can just mess around and joke about wrong. I remember I remember the last time I was wrong. It was when ESPN asked if it was okay. To have you fill in for a couple of days. Oh, you sick burn. Spell check. I should have done. Yeah. No. That's that's fine. I said well while out cheating on you. I'm here, you can leave your head on my shoulder, and we could talk sports together for a couple of weeks. Actually, I'm at my head on your shoulder. That's right. That's right. Yeah. You know what? I mean. Instead lay my head on my shoulder. Head on the shoulder seeing clip right now, she's. He's. I'll pick is this show. Infinitely better when Jason golf isn't on. Yes. Or no don't do that our said, no. Travis. Pain and Jason somebody pain and Fitz on ESPN radio and Sirius XM generally ESPN radio's presented by progressive insurance. And the big news today. Joe flacco allegedly had its Broncos, of course, that can't be done until mid March. But the agreement is in place, and according to some of the folks around ESPN, the jury's still out on whether this is much of an upgrade over case keenum because the numbers aren't that dissimilar and case keenum who had a great year with the Vikings comes in to the Broncos, and is not doesn't fulfill the potential that was expected of him but performs okay, considering their faulty offensive line injuries and trades too wide receivers. And and the question is if you bring in a guy like Joe flacco who was already benched and replaced for the ravens does he come in and suffer from the same exact issues with this team that that case keenum did can hurt my dope. Right. How many quarterbacks have actually? Soured and Castleford except for in the amount of money that they're now committing in cap space that prevents them from shoring up some of the positions that have helped them struggle. I understand but like long your fate as a Denver Broncos fan. Probably hasn't changed much probably going to still try to draft a quarterback. Hopefully, you're great all-time quarterback hits on a quarterback for once in the last five or six chances. But in the end, it's it's Joe flacco. So if he's revitalize and rejuvenated and all these other rewards that are out there for you. Then you're cool. If not all right, then thank you for the point. If not you you you're still back at square one where you were without a quarterback, case keenum at some point backups. Turn it back into backups. That's why I can't wait to see this. Nick foles thing unveil itself. Like, you found out today a few things the Baltimore Ravens are. Okay. Going forward having their quarterback rush. The football seventeen eighteen times a week until he figures out how to throw against zone defenses. And also you found out the market value or the price for a. Guy who was thought of as an outside of the top twenty starting quarterback. Now as Nick foles, dude. I don't know. But the price has now been set at a mid round amid amid round pick for a an average to sometimes below average starting quarterback. So I don't put Nick foles and flacco in the same in the same breath. And I agree that you're right at some point. He might. Durell attorney MAC into. Yeah. Well, I guess Cinderella. Didn't turn to the pumpkin. I think it was her carriage. But either way. Yeah. Only the end especially for the prince because he's like now am I still technically married to or what's actually lately? I agree with you. But listen, I think the reword that you were looking for is actually history peeing itself. Which is that if you then say, okay, because they don't have assure number one because of the amount of money that they've now sunk into these two dudes that doesn't mean that they won't necessarily still go out and try to draft. And if they do to me it'll probably be history repeating itself because Elway has a track record of missing Brock Osweiler. Trevor simian who Paxton Lynch as it comes Brock Osweiler in there again. Because they tried again. Right. And the problem is is that, you know, I don't even know if you gave case keenum enough of a chance to develop right. I mean, I'm not saying he would be great. But if you're getting someone who's not demonstrably better. And you're just adding a ton of money at that position to get someone who's not that much better. We agree that he's better though. Right. Watchos better than Kim. Let's find out when he gets to the Broncos doesn't have an offensive line doesn't have weapons throat. You know, they have weapons in an office of line is just not good. And case keenum didn't have good ones last year. You got a big arm. You got a big guy. I love the size matters. Well. Also matters in football, Valentine's Day. We'll see if that team's last year, though, started nine games at twelve touchdowns. Six interceptions of fifty eight point seven QBR an eighty four point two rating. His quarterback rating was about three points higher than case. Keenum's and his QBR was a couple of points higher. And that was on a ravens team that made the playoffs was. I'm not saying Joe flacco is good at all. I'm just saying that if I'm going to choose between the two guys if I got one game, right? And this games for all the marbles, and I'm choosing one. Well, if I'm choosing between case keenum and Joe flacco, I hopefully, I don't have a too many marbles on the line. But who are you choosing? If you got one game to win one season and go through because that's exactly the question that they're asking myself right now and a lot of money for one season. Oh, I agree. It's a and why wouldn't they go and see if they could get a better quarterback this guy out there? Cool, Nick foles. Yeah. I I could be wrong and I've been wrong before. And I'm not saying that admitted unlike you was there, I think this Nick foles is this Nick foles is going to crash and burn much left orange crush over. Fanta thoughts. We'll get to that in a minute it Spain in their Spain, and Jason golf we talked to Jeff leg while earlier in the show. We asked him if the Broncos might actually look into draft another QB. Somebody pops up in this one they like they would still do that they because they know this year next year. Maybe both they they've gotta have a prospect or two in the building that they actually picked. And you know, I think you really are never gonna fix your quarterback spot long term unless you can say that. Yeah. I mean, listen, I just I don't know how much more leeway. Elway gets because of his name. Well, how much how much does seems like another year? Right. My how many rebuilds can you stumble into how many people have been blamed for their failures other than him head coaches and offensive coordinators defensive coordinator is in quarterback. You're gonna make me stumble into my Chicago Bulls annexed right now, it's going to morph into that conversation. I know, but I cried enough around. Geez. But these aren't inanimate objects are actually humans that I need. This is why you get paid the big bucks. This is why right there. It is ESPN radio's presented by progressive insurance for boats, motorcycles that are get a quote in its little S three minutes at one eight hundred progressive and progressive dot com. Spain Sarah Spain, and Jason golf with do you want to update you on that poll orange crush now? With an even bigger lead. Seventy percent of our very smart listeners and Twitter followers, say that orange crush is better than Fateh. They're trying to curry favor with the the the host that's going to be here. 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Then you'll start to see who had the Americas jumping out on the base right there at the base. I van from TV you want to know, how many sarahspain followers are going to have no idea. What that is. I'm sure Gail knows. I'm sure Jaylen tweet me into black Twitter them. Good answer. Got you say you have to understand for sixteen years, I've been doing terrestrial radio. So my. My my group is usually are fifty year old white, man. So right. So you have that in common only get the same messages from them are truly surprised actually. No one's gonna be lonely on Valentine's Day all saying the fire festival is broken out. Spain in kind of not really on ESPN radio. Series XM channel Twitter. Fires and Jason gall fire festival is is peacock Cassidy, by the way, we're going to get into that. Go. He we split house. We're supposed to anytime. The word is used break was the word nailed it. Speaking of audacity, let's let's talk about the Knicks because cower they bad, and you and I both love any excuse. Just rub it in and just say you thought you already hit you already hit bottom bottom. Yeah. You didn't. Because there is a documentary airing Saturday on TNT at six thirty pm eastern, which I'm super fired up for because I'm a massive fan. And it's called finding Yoenis and somebody on Twitter posted this clip from it. And just absolutely the best caption said if you were a Knicks fan do not watch all the way to the end of this clip. And here is I think it's Janas says manager or a guy a guy that he worked with as they were preparing for the draft to try to figure out who we might get picked up by where he might go. And this is what he said about what what happened. He honest before the draft. Every day and breakfast on games. Excecutive DM's. Coaches everything came, you know, printing nine Dame's and tip. The Knicks makes. Part of it is I looked up to make sure I knew the time line that wasn't even Phil Jackson era. So you can't even say, oh, well, of course, Phil Jackson didn't do his proper due diligence on Janas. No, it was it was Ernie Grunfeld. It wouldn't even pre Phil Jackson now that that makes it any better or worse. It's just that for so long. The Knicks have been so bad that you could pick a random date, and you can find another example of just what I and the fact that he was like twenty nine teams every team. The New York Knicks let that haunt you in your dreams as they're watching. Dennis Smith, go for empty calorie after empty calorie trying to figure out Zayn Williamson, we'll play for the New York. Knicks. The Highland games. Have they lost in a row now is at seventeen I believe seventy billion. I think I think David Fidel is now just banging his head, sinus. Eleven d billion. I believe it is the Knicks thing at this point. You gotta just be a fan because you you kinda think you have to. And I think that's a bigger conversation for a later day on the fan breaking up with team like enhancement and investment. But that is absolutely a team that I'm fine. If you break up with them and just pick another team, I will not even blame you. In fact, I'm just going to say it. I'm rooting for the bucks right now. I don't think the bulls qualify as an MBA team. If this were European soccer. They would be regulate route relegated relatives also regulate and regulated because regulation the regulations would allow them to be relegated. And then I won't be allowed to say. Oh, well, my other team is the bulls, but they're not in the NBA anymore. So my NBA team is the Milwaukee Bucks. 'cause I like you. But I can't say that. Because technically the bulls technically are still in the NBA, and there's no relegation and only you and Taylor twelve and now in what exact. Just happening. The tee shot onto GTE Saturdays, right? Oh, yeah. Me entirely twelve minutes and Rachel Lindsay on noon to four pm eastern on Saturdays. And I'm gonna stop talking. Can wait hold on. Did that start yet? We started last week and Rachel Lindsay didn't make her first show because she was too busy doing bachelorette. Oh, saddle happen. They gave you a real job here. Let me tell you something. Let me when they find out. Now, they actually find out what I'm doing on these Airways. It is going like Mike take awhile, Justin. Not to say I had to Saturday shows, and they were very successful. And I look back on them fondly. So. Compliment. Now, I remember when I just got started in radio too. So i'm. Who I feel good about you? Crazy for the last segment is this what we do. Valentine's Day is going to be real sauce Kamar up promise you that. The first date faces off we words. Actually, build a I'm gonna make you. About real things now. Yeah. These out Rovers ghosting, scientists who can't get a woman to look at them. Yeah. I saw it is. Yeah. This is the real world radio. And I believe you just the way the next. I was right. Seventeen game losing streak. They're they're playing the Sixers tonight. So I'm gonna go with eighteen. I'm just gonna go ahead and put it out there. It's going to be an eighteen game. If you're playing the Sixers you'd better beware because Joel Embiid got words for everybody including angry. He's coming out ready. Why are you still a Knicks fan at this point in your life? I have been kicking in the rocks or in the face or some part for the. Ask people on the one eight hundred flowers dot com Twitter feed. And the problem is when you try to speak to one specific fan base, everybody answers, right? You got a lot of you got a lot of knuckleheads in there. What I'm going to try to see if I can just simply address next pant and ask them. Why are you still a Knicks fan because like everybody else? That'd be pretty old at this point to have any goodness Daljit about the Knicks. Dave the butcher and Phil Jackson and our longtime ago wall Frazier and all those boys played a wasn't that forty six years since they've won an NBA championship. They got there were spree. Well and can't be in the lockout-shortened year fifty game you and everybody came back fat and high. So like that that that didn't really count. I I don't I I'm gonna group chat with like four hundred and fifty people who are minorities in sports, and we all talk, and we have the community meetings. You can come through. I can be your could be your entry barbecue. I think I think I'm alive as long as you don't put raisins in a potato salad. We Goodell raisins. It almost anything. Oh, see. I'm starting to like it. I don't wanna do that. Yeah. No, raisins, bad. They're an awful food. But no why I'd have no idea. Why Knicks fans talked the way they do too. Because it's always about really fired up if you this is them as if they aren't terrible. Yes. They haven't lived through it for whatever reason. You know, the the romanticism of people like shot to Derrick Harper out there doing a terrific job with the Mavs. But like the the romanticism of Derek Harper, or you know, Xavier McDaniel going face to face with Michael, Jordan or Ewing. You know, being a great player never winning anything like calm down. If there was any other team in any other city that had that kind of fate or had that kind of history, we all be laughing and New York Knicks have been most of us are laughing just the people in New York haven't quite figured out that we're all laughing at them. They're taking a fence as if it's not deserved. I think like the laughed at I think that's the problem. Like like, for whatever reason if you are of New York from New York, or by New York that you can't be laughed at because it's the city of big shoulders. And if you make it here, you can make it anywhere and Q, Lisa keys and Jay z song. But other than that. I mean, I love New York. It is my favorite city to be in visit outside of Chicago. But the team has been bad now, I I root for David physio, you know, for for a bunch of differ. Reasons I think he got a bad. I want everyone black to win. Well, this is true. This is true attempts spank, you you understand me. Right. Truly understand me. And you can say the things as a white woman that I can't say as a black man always. And I think that's really unfair. What was that in by progressive insurance? We've gone off the rails since my favorite segment of the week on any portion of my life. Someone just sent me another Rover cartoon, and it's even sadder it's fairly Sasser cut it out. No coming up in Tonio Brown wants out how many teams should want in. It's coming up next on ESPN radio Spain and fits any time. Now, you guys can stop sending me cartoons that make me cry. We've got gallbladders that are apologizing for making kidney stones we gotta Rover. That's like did. I do it. Good enough job. Can I come home now? Hello. Hello. Hello, yacht, Calvin and Hobbes. Hello in me. Your look accidentally guys that's enough. I've done enough crying for the day. Well, I thought I had until I was crying laughing at Ben Simmons who what he right now checkout at Damian woody's Twitter, you want to see a dead body and Ben Simmons. Just got absolutely faced or other body parts by Kevin knocked the Andre Jordan gives that Brandon Knight face thing with the is going up sound. Subjective sound. There was a spot of tea at the rim flop. For. Thing. Yeah. I got it. I'm just trying to keep you away from the the gifts in the movies again. Try be away last segment. Yeah. We gotta get through. We've got update a lot of polls and get a lot of questions answered from pole. Palooza is absolutely right. Sarah Spain and Jason gov with you on ESPN radio. We won't talk about Tokyo Brown, really quick. 'cause they talked about it yesterday when I was doing solo Spain, but you weren't around, and we mentioned it with meaner. Maybe a deadbeat dad wasn't a ham. He didn't let us know. You just didn't show up. Don't we were scheduled people that don't do that Sarah didn't show up redemption to anyway, we were talking earlier with Meena like if you've got a young quarterback if you've got Mitch Trubisky says you hear people talking about him coming to the bears. Is it a good idea to bring in a guy like Antonio Brown with this checker pass Jason Fitz? The the good Jason the usual. Jason. I was on golick and wingo this morning and said this I'm long since a believer that if you have a young quarterback, you believe in that you think you can build around. You have a responsibility of that point to give the quarterback every single weapon possible to make sure he's your guy it takes so long now to figure out we love to jump on young quarterbacks a year in and say, this is the guy moving forward, and it's easy to say that on a limited body, but getting them to sustain that growth that you have to put weapons around them. That's one advantage that AB would be like you mentioned the Cowboys earlier the level of expectation for Dak would fly through the roof. If all of a sudden, he has Mario Cooper and Antonio Brown, the level of expectation for Mitch Trubisky is much different. If he's got ABC's throw into. I mean that that's just that's good for him. What do you make of that? I mean, there's definitely both. There's there's there. I could see the argument for both. Well, it always depends on where you are in your trajectory of winning. Right. So you don't wanna bring Antonio Brown to a team that you think is going to be nine Winton when team the bears they're going to be that. So you've checked that off the list? You don't wanna bring him into a locker room that you that. You don't think has the infrastructure that will deal with the blow up because? You have to think of worst-case scenarios in these cases. Do you have that locker room? And I think that's the question. You got a lot of guys who under John FOX didn't fare well defensively played well, and now under Matt Nagy, there seems like there's a new confidence, and obviously they've won a lot. But there's still a lot of young players. And there's a couple of new pieces big new pieces, but new pieces at that in Khalil Mack and some other guys so the infrastructure of the locker room would definitely be necessary. As a keen Hicks going to allow Antonio Brown to get in the face of a Mitchell Trubisky or or sway his confidence at all. They think that is the most important factor. Because obviously, I'm telling you Brownsville town player. He's still a guy that when healthy is going to catch one hundred balls and ten plus touchdowns for you people argue that he's the best. Why receiver in the NFL? I'm still a Julio Jones guy, but he doesn't get into the end zone enough. That's another conversation for another time. But if you think you have the locker room for and you think you have a head coach who can who can withstand it then. Okay. Do the bears have that. I think the question is still up in the air. Yeah. I mean to me, I think Mitch Trubisky thus far from what we've seen probably could handle that in terms of. I don't think it immediately sinks him. But we don't know much about him. Right. He had a first year with no weapons, and then he he gets to gets to work under Matt Nagy with a much improved offense and better weapons around him. Any takes massive leaps forward. But as a leader we've heard he's a good leader. I don't really know what that means in terms of you said Antonio Brown in there. And he's complaining to them about how many touches you get. I don't really know how Mitch Trubisky react to that. And there's a couple of other young guys that I don't know that we have enough information on them yet to know how much it's gonna torch the team or the coach for that matter. How does Matt Nagy deal with it? Right. We haven't seen met Nagy on good one year. So we haven't seen him really have to do. It was all see shows and balloons this season for those Scotto bears. They probably got three or four more wins than anybody expected them to have their offense. Looked a heck of a lot better than it did on the John FOX which was expected. Their defense was outstanding and make a terrific. Move right before the season and fleece, the Oakland Raiders and get one of the two or three best defensive players. We haven't seen much many tumultuous situations in the seventeen eighteen weeks sample size that we have now going forward. If we had a different like say, for instance, you know, Andy Reid who's dealt with things before more, tenured coaches. We'd no I don't know what Matt Nagy can or is willing to deal with. And that's the case for I think a lot of teams, and I guess it's up to Antonio Brown. Latch, it's not I it's gonna be up to probably the Steelers won. That's an interesting situation, by the way, the Steelers want to get the most back. They can for a guy who they have made clear they don't want anymore because he's been too much trouble right in twenty one million dollars a cap money. So think about how think about what you're telling the rest of the NFL like we need him off this team so much and we're going to really all this cat. Her tools for a team. Do no guaranteed money true. So if it doesn't work out they can cut him. But yeah, I mean, what's interesting is you've got. It's like a divorce, but you've gotta convince someone in your neighborhood to take your wife, right? Like. She's pretty great. Right. I don't know maybe three acting surprise. And in the case of Antonio Brown. It's like, no, no, I don't think you need to be that worried about the speeding. The throwing furniture the domestic violence accusations bailing on the team skipping meetings like fills both. Yeah. No, the lock laundry list of stuff to try to convince a team was and they have to almost try to convince a team. It's their problem. Oh, well, he wouldn't do that. With your team. We're just really dysfunctional the slaves. The slaves. The one of the more stable franchises in all of sports by telling you the realize functional once it was. But now you've got problems with levian belt. You got problems at the Antonio Brown. You've had problems with Ben Rothlisberger throughout his career. Are those Steeler problems? Are those player problems though, I have one in the same? That's what you're trying to convince and you've got to convince anyone buying that. They're Steelers problems, which is crazy. I the NFL got to sell yourself out to get something back. We'll see this is the thing with the NFL these guys when they get traded. You know, this isn't like basketball baseball where there are a little bit more individualistic. Of course, a lot more individualistic sports. You know, when we see you guys go from one system to other another there. There's no there's no guarantee that things work, and how how many times we see Dan Snyder just pluck free agent named after free agent name for those early arts, you know, four zero five were an atom March. Let all of a sudden was a safety that everybody thought oak he played well in Saint Louis he has to play well washing. Different schemes, different atmospheres, different vibes different environments, different things different verbiage with play calling. You you just never know. And a guy could be scheme specific or scheme. Perfect and not perform the way you thought he should. And then you kind of start the clock on the problems, even before there are any real problems. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's gonna be fascinating to see what they actually get form. And what this means for the Steelers going forward because the fact that they never capitalized with a title with triple B's, right? The killer bees. And now they're going to be just left with an aging. Ben Rothlisberger trying to figure out what they've still got. It will be very disappointed. If I was a Steelers fan that all the drama got in the way of the talent Spain fits Sarah Spain and Jason gov on ESPN radio at the espionage. And Sirius XM channel eighty. We got a lot to clean up here on the old one eight hundred flowers dot com Twitter feed. Here's a couple of different things. We asked does this theory work, try hearts slash mediocre players fare better than superstar. 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Misconceptions Of Early America Concerning Slavery  Prescribing Truth Podcast Ep. 57

Prescribing Truth Podcast

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Misconceptions Of Early America Concerning Slavery Prescribing Truth Podcast Ep. 57

"Numbers growing for free blacks in America. And being the most always the most in the southwest is considered the most racist. This is this is interesting. The south was losing their presentation the plan that our founders put in place was working. Dr. We are disturbed Christ change. True. Or what's going on everybody? I'm Jamal Bannon. We'll come back to prescribe truth of scrubbing truth. I'm host on the one who seeks to distribute the truth that adopt describes to the church and the world today. This episode fifty seven man first off before we get into anything bad. Got a new patron y'all met the gals. Thank you so much for your contribution to prescribe and truth and joining me on patron, maybe you haven't heard of the couch. You gotta check them out on your podcast apps. I'm to the website. The gals dot com is hosts are Colleen sharp, Ashley classic and Angela Whitehorn, man. These ladies are off the chain. I listened to a few of their podcast one. Specifically that I really enjoyed was the one on cessation ISM because I I've come out of. Well, you know, we call continuation is continuation ISM, but you know, my background's via charismatic and so hearing their perspective wit sensationalism was very helpful and good of always good continuing to hear truth in that area. And I didn't really appreciate their here into scripture. So I would encourage you to check them out as well of. So with that being said if you lied to support prescribing of prescribed truth, please do so by joining me on patron for only a dollar a month you receive access to patron only content receive discounts on merchandise. Take part in the discord and more core after show 'em more those who signed on it the five dollars terrorists or prescribe truth mug. Thank you in advance for your support. Join today at WWW dot patriots dot com for slash prescribed truth. Little Todd here. I see. All right. So there's a lot of want to get into the day, y'all. So I want to go ahead. And here's some things off. So was always been sick. Because I'm not. Entry as you see in a title this misconceptions of early America. It's always been said about a country that was founded on racism it began with racism and stuff like that. And that's why this issue with whiteness. So to speak is such a big issue right now. Because everything, you know, why he would do just happen to be rooted in racism and plunder and everything else. It just comedian thing else. It can be that people actually operated insane. It has to be that is because I only white, you know, they're just beside themselves just being super powerful. And this may be true for a lot of people during this time where cause maybe a certainly wasn't true that's aren't in our founding fathers, and you know, so I want to be able to show that this resource that I'm using today comes from wall, builders dot com. And it's a it's a fantastic source. I have linked into description you guys, please check it out. They have a section solely for black history. And I mean, they have documents and everything else. I would encourage your check it out. I won't be pulling the actual source up on the stream of you guys would watch it. I'm just gonna read some things to you guys. And so hopefully, this will be helpful. But yet the links are there for you to check out. I was amazed. As I was doing a study as I was a during the research amazed at the things I was finding how the narrative that is being painted concerning. Our forefathers and everything else is was crumbling. I mean, the arguments crumbling down because the evidence does not line up and orders something I've always known already know, it just was made it more clear made it more clear. And so we want to get some things. Now, I want to ask a question the founding fathers were they actually way. Four slavery height were they really really wanting slavery like when they looked at black people. Did they see them as less than human? You know, our founding fathers or were they actually opposed to slavery. That's a good question asked. Because see the narrative is that they all wanted slaves. Like, you know, this is what America wanted, you know, it was founded on slavery who founded on the backs of slaves and therefore that's nowhere was. But it was the intention of the forefathers. You know, this is this what they wanted or the founding fathers in so I want to do with that it in on this question. I want to ask you something. I asked myself when I was doing research was no why couldn't they end it. Like, why couldn't they put into it sooner than when it did? Slavery will end in America in eighteen sixty five. So why did it take so long? You know, I mean, the declaration of independence seventeen seventy six, you know, so why so long before it was actually over with far slavery. So we won't. Want to look at that too. So before I wanna recent quo's recent quotes from some founding fathers. Okay. And this is interesting. So we have a man named here reliance. He was a former president of the continental congress American merchant, and a slave trader now, this is interesting. He was a slave trader, but look at what he said this is a quote from him. He says I uphold slavery now. Right there. I'm thinking of like, okay. So there may be people who participated slavery, the slave trade and so on and so forth. But if if he had horse slavery, then why was he a slave trader I mean that was the question I asked myself, and I'm pretty sure some of you guys who are listen to this is accident. Same question. Like, if you say, you poor slavery. Didn't why were you a slave trader? You know, it's interesting question. I think we should hold onto that for a second. He, but he says, he's a horse slavery. I was born in a country where slavery had been established by British kings and parliaments as well as by the laws of the country of the country ages before my existence, so he was from Britain. Now, this is interesting. This is very important fact that he was from Britain is where he was born. He was born in Britain. No, not not born in Britain. Sorry, he was born whereas country where slavery had been established by British canes. So you probably born in America, but Britain still had control. And that's the important thing Britain still had control even for for the colonies, it's always says in former days there was no combating the prejudices of men supported by interest the day. I hope is approaching win from principles of gratitude as well as Justice every man was strived to be foremost in showing his readiness to comply with the golden rule do unto others as you would have them do unto you Matthew seven twelve that was his quote appealing to scripture. And so you see he held to a Christian worldview now, whether he was truly Christian and not I don't know, but he held to a Christmas standard. You know, we we know how our country was founded on Christian principles, right and people say, well, how can there be because they had slaves in all those things remember access questioning. Two weeks ago exit again. Owning slaves in the vessel. Would it be considered a sin a transgression against God's law? You know? Yes, we could all get into how they acquired us lays get acts those questions. Right. But the overall thing is was it a sin? So here we have someone who's a slave trader this was his does one of his profession is before all the other things. He's a slave trader, but he said he reported, but it was the common thing of the time in this was established by British kings and parliaments. This was done that this was the common rule, you know, but his heart was that man. I don't want. I one day. I hope that the day will come where everybody won't have this. We won't have this. But he was recognizing that it won't be in his time. He already had a film. This would not be in his time another person on the Reid. John Jay now, he was interesting. You know, John Jay was interesting. He was a founding father a politician in New York. And he says prior to the great revolution. The great majority of our people have been so long. Custom to the practice and convenience of having slaves that very few among them, even doubted, the proprietary and erected of it. So they didn't they didn't contemplate the consequences. Any of those things it just it was just a common thing. It wasn't that they have hate in their heart for the slaves or they saw them. Not everybody said, you can have those who did think less of slaves and songs so forth. But it wasn't everybody. Wasn't a common thing. The most common thing was that. Hey, this is this was accustomed to us like we're used to having slaves. We they come from Britain slavery been around long before the slave trade. So that you has slaves in Spain. You had the Portuguese and all of of everybody else. Everybody's owning slaves at the time slavery existed way before America, even was thought of, you know, since it was a common thing, you know. And so he's saying that, hey, you know, this is this is out of convenience. This wasn't that they had in their heart evil intentions towards which is those convene. And bring me back till excuse me when we was looking at George Whitfield how he was from Britain. He wasn't from America. You know, he traveled back and forth, and even so that's time was before the revolution. So Maffei jobs with it was doing what he was doing prior to America, even receiving her independence. And so that was interesting. That's an interesting fact, but in that George Whitfield only one it slaves in Georgia for the orphanage that he was building over there. He built until four that he built four black orphans black children. This this orphanage that he built wasn't for colonists. Like, you know, why, you know, white people if you will he built it for orphaned black children, and that's interesting, and then the appraise that he received from his slaves because of how well he treated him. So we no evidence of that. And what we're reading here that it wasn't that these. People will just automatically racist that they just saw themselves as being superior and it says to the site. It's just a common thing in a lot of time at this time. There were blacks. And I I'm I'm kind of jumping ahead of myself. But just to give you some context where we get into today. Dornan's ta there were blacks who were buying their own freedom, you know, and owning slaves themselves you, oh, hold on a minute. Hold on before you jump through the screen. Yes. There were blacks who own slaves themselves, you know, in some slaves. They work for ceremony years and their masters. Let them free. I mean, this was going on during this time. And what we hear in the media. What we hear the narrative the everybody's being beaten, everybody's being tortured. Everybody's being separated from their families. All these things this is all we hearing from the narrative, but when we look at the evidence, and it's like man that really wasn't the case for everyone that wasn't the case, and you can say the majority, but I wouldn't even go to I would even say, it was the majority you think about it. And I'm gonna show you this redistricting. I'm gonna show you some knows. So John J I those interests is a fun fact 'cause on John Jay, the he believed in the Christian gospel. So he said he said, well, this is from a computer concerning says he believed the Christian gospel, and he had made a practice of buying slaves. And. Freeing them as a dose. So there was a certain amount of time. So he would buy them at young known. He will use them. And then he would free them as a dose after he judged labors have been a reasonable return on their price in seventeen ninety eight. He still owned AAC slaves. The year before the emancipation act was passed. That's nineteen ninety not nineteen seventeen ninety eight where he still owned slaves. And that's that's going to be interesting to he only as sleighs are. So that was interesting. So he bogged down and then for the for the purpose. He made a practice of doing it buying them in in freedom as a does. So it wasn't slaves forever freedom as those are. I thought it was a fun fact now something interesting I want to bring up to you guys. Now that's thirteen colonies during this time thirteen not fifty states thirteen colonies now. How many of those colonies do you think whereas actually pushing strongly for the continuing of slavery at the time of the declaration of independence. Because that's where it came down to. Because really the reality is that the fort the founding fathers wanted to end slavery way before the declaration of independence. They wanted slavery to end but Britain would not let them it wasn't a colonies it wasn't their fault. It would have been ended. But British control said, no, we're making too much money. This profitable. No, we're not going to allow you to stop having slaves or stopped doing on participating in the slave trade. So it continued. So this was on Britain is wasn't a colonies so really the say that, hey, this soil this America began big with people being racist wanting to subjugate in all those things is already beginning to look, very, boss. But on top of that, you got thirteen colonies how many of those college will actually four strongly for slavery got Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina and Virginia. For colonies now all those colleagues except for to all of those colleagues except for to actually own slaves. And we're going to look at that. We're we're going to look at the communist didn't. We're going to get that later on just stay tuned. But there was two colonies out of all those who didn't own slaves at all. But only four only four thirteen colonies was strongly for everybody else was kinda, hey, where whether they stay don't or they were the slaves or not, you know. Hey, it don't matter to us set them free. We're okay with that. But there were four communist say, no, we need to have them continue to be slaves for the labor, we need that. So I think about it. Well, we're always told that our country was founded on racism on people hating blacks wanting them to be subjugated when only four out of thirteen colonies four say four. I mean, four representatives of out of each Representative of each colony only four will say, hey, no, we gotta have these. Lazier? So that doesn't mean every single person in Georgia doesn't mean every single person in South Carolina, North Carolina in Virginia was Ford, continuous of slavery. But representatives of those Connie's four representatives all those colonies wherever Representative day was strongly pushing for to continues to slavery. That's a minority compared to the majority view of wanting to free them who would unthought out of everything we've been hearing. It tells us that these people want it to continue slavery. These people just got it have slaves. They Dino they don't care. They don't care about black people. They hate black people so and so forth. And also during this time before the revolution. There were slaves who were free. They were slaves being freed. Ha holding offices we go and get into that. Y'all y'all stick ground before before the declaration of independence? Dera blacks were holding offices holding offices able to start charges plant charges every and receive support from white people y'all this what was going on prior to the declaration of independence and even afterwards. Like the narrative that we're being fed that hey, and I'm not talking about this. This is not just okay. You said about blacks in the north, and so and so forth. Well, how do you think blacks in the south is getting free by metaphor MO where you're gonna read one who was actually will be considered one in the south and who will be set free. You know? So it's like man late. This is interesting is interested in there. That's being painting because of these in I'm thankful, I'm thankful that. Now, we're dealing with this. And and I'm seeing these things and being able to draw some light. And I know they're gonna be people who disagree who about my thing is while you disagree with the facts, my wild you disagree with the information. I mean, you may do agree disagree. My opinion also fourth, but why disagree with the facts? A matter of fact, I think is free. I think is frame because as we look at this. And we think about the sovereignty of God, we think about all of this is going on history and Goss part in all of it. I mean, come on are we especially those of us who are Christians like we should be looking at it from that kind of Lynn's, you know. But we're no we're human. We're going to look at it for my emotions we're going to we're going to draw conclusions from emotions, and you know, that's natural. We'll see Dakhla blue thing about the gospel because it causes something in us that supernatural causes. See things that not how the world sees it. But how God himself intended for it to be. And so, yeah, I mean, I think this is amazing. You know, I mean that were quotes from Thomas Jefferson. I mean, I've heard plenty stories about Thomas Jefferson being four of slavery and wanting to subjugate blacks and so forth, but Thomas Jefferson was opposed to it the link is in the description, you guys I put it there purposely. So you can look at it just so so I wanted to read everything to you. You can go and pull that link. Oh, and you can check it out. I mean Thomas Jefferson against Benjamin Franklin was against it. I mean, there were other guy John Adams was against it. I mean, it's amazing. You know, they talk about how evil it was ABC. They would agree with you. How easy it how evil it was yet? The narrative is that the founding fathers. No, no, they founded this country on racism, you know, their whole thing was that they want to subjugate blacks, and they succeeded with that, you know, I want to take the time to dispel that myth. You know with the information. With the information. You know? So I'm I'm hoping that's helpful. All right. So with that real quick, we want to shift gears as a Christian one of the main things we should be doing is if Angela's in law said to go therefore and make disciples, and sometimes we can't wait for them to come to us one way in which I like to engage others is with gospel tracts. There are great for starting a conversation. Even though sometimes you may not have the time. There's no need to fear because every gospel track has the gospel message laid out beautifully. So you can be assured that if they take the time to read them they would have received the gospel message, where do I get my gospel tracks from I'm glad you asked. I get mine from track planet. They offer a wide variety of gospel tracts, even for different seasons of the year at an extremely affordable price. I've used them at work just by sitting them on my counter watching people pick them up and began to ask me questions about the message they contain if you like to check out some of these amazing tracks to us evangelizing, please visit away. Website that I have linked below the website is prescribed truth dot com force last track planet. Thank you so much and just for you guys are no I am not an affiliate of of track planet, but I love their tracks. Honestly, do this is something I do for my patrons every month for those five hundred up patriots. I purchase gospel tracts or some that I have. And I'll just hey, I send them to them every month. You know? Matter of fact, I I'm out this one big I gotta make up for some last month, but my little track planet, so guys check them out check them out. So we talked to we talked a little bit about how some of the founding fathers fill a couple of them anyway. And like, I say you can look at link, and you see who all who else had a problem with slavery and one wanted to end. But like I was telling you that Britain didn't want them to insulate everyday wanted to continue to slave trade because as profitable all right now, I wanna talk about briefly now say briefly what happened post revolution? So now, we have the revolutionary war and you have Britain losing control. And now America has this has her independence. Now, what happened now in this time? I'll just dealing with. Slavery was doing was done with the blacks. All right. What's going on with them? Now during his time as remember there are representatives of the colonies who are against slavery. And there are a heap of slaves in the south. I mean, you saw the met with Georgia looked like back then and even then there was a lot of slaves. I think it was like thirty thousand slaves around that time, I think and. And you had a plenty of slaves in Virginia, plenty of slaves in South Carolina in North Carolina. I mean, they had a lot of them. So I mean, if you if we're talking about how America wit function as far as voting and everything else, you know, you have a popular vote that would be involved in that would determine determined mount of representation that will be involved in congress. And so because there was so much though, so many slaves in these days, the south will have more power more more representation in the congress that makes sense. So what they did. And I've heard this all the time 'cause starting to three fifths compromise. I'm gonna go here. I've heard this all the time because I didn't at three feels compromise that they viewed black people as less than human because of this because of this that was put in place this compromise this clause because it was put in place this showed how they view blacks as being less. Than human. But may offer to you something different something different. All right. That maybe just maybe that the three fifths compromise was actually something that was put in place that will end up helping blacks in the end nine. No, I know some us lie. Wait a minute. Ma I ain't going there. I'm not going there, which okay, I feel you. I feel you. Well, let's look at something. It says while much progress was made by the founders to end the institution of slavery. Not like check this out this sin is right here while much progress was made by the founders to end the institution of slavery. Unfortunately, what they began was not fully realized or cheesed until generations later. So the founders actually wanted to in slavery. Now Ruko before I for this. I'm not I'm not trying to change subjects here. But it's kind of Intel's what I'm trying to say about the founders Richard Allen, which I know a lot of people give praise because he was the founder of the first AME church in Pennsylvania. He was one who converted his master to Christianity. And I thought it was interesting because people always say how. Christianity is a white man's religion. Because they wouldn't even know Christianity. There wasn't for the white man driving it into and trying to force them. But actually, it's the opposite is true that you saw you saw times where blacks converted their masters. A matter of fact, a lot of masses prevent it. This lays from here in the true gospel prevented this lays from reading the bible because they know the truth it contains. So it's interesting how people say that white people were trying to force fee Christianity into lex. When really they was trying to actually take it away from them. It was trying to take the bible away from them. They didn't want them to know the truth of their salvation to know Christ that that's interesting now. So. Oh it out there now. So how much progress was made by the founders to end the institution of slavery. Unfortunately, would they begin was not fully achieved until generations later yet. Despite the stream was efforts of many founders to recognize and practice that all men are created equal. So people try to say that the founders would put declaration that all created equal. But they didn't treat all men equal. So do you see the intention of their hearts was that they wanted to treat? All man is equal the intention was always that. They knew that. He's blacks were men. They were human beings, you know, and they want to treat all men as equal that. That's what they're intentions worse. And it's a charges persists to the opposite. In fact, revision is even claimed that the constitution demonstrates that the founders considered one who was black to be only three fifths of a person this charge. Is yet another falsehood yet? Another falsehood. The three fails clause was not a measurement of human worth rather. It was an anti slavery provision. Then it would then they would all these these woke voters telling me, then these won't folks Sandy's won't Phosa sand and all we always been been been held down by by whiteness Nossa. But no this saying that this was put in place as an anti slavery provision to limit the political power of slavery's per proponents Demi so those who agree with slavery, those four colleagues, I told you who had all these lays, they had thousands think one one call had over one hundred thousand slaves, so they had all these representations ever had all this representation for their state. And so they wanted to limit that power. They wanted to limit them. And we'll show you something man. I hope it blesses. You almost show your something. He said what you're gonna show me almost show you. He says they wanted. So it was it was anti slavery provision to limit the political power of slavery proponents by including only three fifths of the total number of slaves in the congressional calculations southern states were actually being denied additional pro slavery representation in congress. That's what happened. That's what happened. They were being denied additional power additional representation for their for their pro slavery agenda in congress, y'all. This is going to show. This is going to show improve that man, these these founders they couldn't fix something immediate. But they gave it a slow death blow a slow death blow. So the question I asked earlier it they were against it. Then why couldn't they have ended? It why not have say when we got our independence that we're going to stop well because they didn't want America was not to be a dictatorship. And it wasn't going to be ran like Britain was it's all this is how they did it. They had to come together. They chose this way of going about government. You know, so everything how how voting how boating on things happen. It's also for the checks and balances that go in for they go for how it started in like all they had to be in place. So. Not one person has ruling everything. All right. So and this is what they had to do. So. Okay. Well, y'all gonna have slaves. You wanna continue how slaves? Okay. Well for every file slaves. You have only three of them was gonna count towards the vote towards your population for representation in congress are now is interesting fact is that prior to the revolution blacks were able to vote on so for free blacks and social able to vote. So that's interesting thing, but here this, and they're only for every file they have only three of them going to count forever citation. So it's not saying they were less than human or less than a person. You just talking about their representation, but congress is that's interesting. So it says based on the clear records of the constitutional convention to prominent professors explains the meaning of the three fist clause. It was slavery's opponents as reading it was slavery opponents who succeeded and restricting the political power of the south by allowing them to count only three fifths of this lay population and determining the. Number of congressional representatives. The three fifths of a vote provision applied only to slaves not to free blacks in either the north or the south. So that were free blacks in the north. And in the south not only the north like people always think that they were free blacks in the north. We're no they were free blacks and a south and free blacks in the south who owned slaves as well. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. So that didn't apply to free blacks that it's important, y'all. That's important that did not apply to free blacks only two slaves. So check this out must I got left here. I got five minutes. Okay crew. I want to show this to you guys. Check this out. Please check this out with me. And I'm hoping you following this so seventeen ninety that was the first census. I hope you guys are seeing that seventeen ninety was the first census for the new America. Are I still thirteen colonies thirteenth stakes? If you will, you know, so there's not this is not a fifty states. This is only still thirteen stays. All right at this time. I census Maine and Massachusetts whether only two colonies the had no sleighs, none. Now, you got. A matter of fact, I think I want to say it was Massachusetts. Honestly that I actually read about that. They were so against it that when that when people try to bring slaves there, they got the slaves and they bought the they bought them set them free and then took them back to Africa. And I wanna. Oh, man. I want to say it was Massachusetts. But it's one of those northern states. That's what they did. They were so opposed to it that they actually bought them. And they set them free and send them back to Africa. You know, sitting back to the homeland. So that's what they didn't. They were Christians. You know, these these Christians who did that Virginia had almost three hundred thousand slaves three hundred thousand slaves Maryland had a hundred thousand slaves law over one hundred thousand North Carolina one hundred thousand South Carolina over one hundred thousand Georgia had almost thirty thousand as a seventeen ninety. All right. So look at a representation that they would have had when it comes when it comes to population. I mean, they would have they would have ranked higher, but because of the three fist close that cut back there ever since Asian was significance. Is that y'all? Check this out man, this this right here was the bomb when I pull this up, man. I was like, whoa. Free African American population in the U S seventeen ninety to eighteen sixty now keep in mind slavery would be ended. We're completely be ended in America in eighteen sixty five five years later than what the stat shows keep that in mind, but these are free African Americans are member their boat. They're they're popular vote would matter during this time, it would matter it would count. All right. It wouldn't count when they were slaves will not file, you know, three out of five with count. But as a as a Freeman all their votes counted here in seventeen ninety the total the total of free blacks was twenty seven thousand in the north thirty two thousand and south. In eighteen hundred ten years later, forty six thousand in the north fifty one thousand fifty one sixty one thousand in south. I can't see sixty one thousand in a south in eighteen ten ten years later seventy seven thousand in the north ninety seven thousand south. How is it in a south where slaves are the most having more free slaves in the north? Now, I thought that was amazing by myself because I figured that the north would have more free slaves or free schlaize more free blacks than than the south would. But the south always have more free blacks. Interesting and it kept growing every ten years. This number is growing, and what is happening every ten years. The south is losing representation losing representation year year after year at the year every ten years, we're seeing the impact of it and eighteen twenty ninety nine thousand in north one hundred and thirty thousand in the south eighteen thirty one hundred thirty seven thousand in a north one seventy five thousand in south. Let's go on desk all on skip onto eighteen sixty in eighteen sixty the number of free blacks in the north was two hundred and twenty five thousand nine hundred and sixty one the south was two hundred fifty thousand seven hundred eighty seven numbers growing for free blacks in America. And being the most always the most in the south, which is considered the most racist. This is this is interesting. The south was losing their presentation the plan that are found. Unders put in place was working. It was working. I mean, they they they will love to have done immediately. But because of how they was doing it how they set everything in place for government. They delta a slow death blow. Did it take many years? Yes. It did yesterday. Ten twenty thirty forty fifty sixty seventy plus years before their would they want? It will be realized, but it happened, and they put it in place. They put it in place. I mean, do they get some credit credit here? I mean, do they get a for effort or something? I mean. Wow. I mean, come on. Now. That's interesting, y'all. So there were blacks who held offices they at churches all through the eighteenth century seventeen hundreds. And so we got went were chess. Well, there was a black man. He he held office. He had a prominent office not just any kind of office George Lau. And then the Reverend Andrew Brian. These these men these black men they some of them have offices. They were flea free blacks who are Christian implant churches. Important people, you know, and so oh and ex- life's exclave. So it was very interesting, man. Very interesting era quick I wanted just just say that were mentioned earlier how there were blacks who owned slaves after the revolution. And I was thinking. Well, yeah. Of course blacks on slaves before the revolution. But even after the revolution, blacks owned slaves, they own slaves, and you some of them some of them own slaves. They they purchased their family members in order not to split up in order to be kept together. Right. Which is a good thing. You know? So therefore, if that's a good thing, then partic- going to slave can't be sin. They purchased a family members. They bought slave. They bought a slave and they bought their family say what for the purpose of not being shipped away. But once again, if we argue on the side of consistency. If we say that it's a sin to purchase a slave period or then they actually send against their family. For purchasing them. You know, even though they just wanted him to stay with them. They send for purchasing their family, but we wouldn't say that we wouldn't say the black man was was sitting for purchasing his wife and his sister or his children. He they wouldn't nobody was say that. But unless you're going to suffer at the San of partiality, you're going to have to say that unless you can reason and say, you know, what it may not have been actually a sin to purchase life. May not have been middle men have been maybe something that we got away from. And it's a good thing that we got away from it. But it wasn't necessarily a sin. If we're being fair with information. And now there were blacks who purchase slaves and treated them unfairly beat them after the revolution. Not before we're talking about free blacks who own slaves and torture beat them. So it was a black. It was a black slave woman. I mean, not black slave woman. A black woman who owns slaves and a lot of them, and she was harsh towards us slaves. Harsh the website are put in inscription the root dot com. They give this information. They give the names and the dates and stuff like that. I would encourage you to check this out. Check it out check it out, y'all. A matter of fact, when I'm gonna do I'm not gonna show it on the screen, but I'm gonna read a couple parts from it for you guys do that because this was the interest this. This was interested information this go. I was completely against a narrative that we've been sold. And so I'm I'm really convinced that concerning history black history in America in the sense. We've been sold ability goods, we've been sold a bunch of hate that we didn't really need to have we really didn't have. So you had a man named Nicolas Augustine met mentor. I I'll probably butchered his name, but he's from Louisiana, Louisiana. That's not. That's not up nor news Zana owned thirteenth sleighs in eighteen thirty. Eighteen thirty. You know, we saw how many free blacks were in eighteen thirty a heap of them. He owned thirteen slaves. He and his twelve family members collectively owned two hundred and fifteen slaves or not only him the one section on. Here says how many slaves they blacks own says. So is there so what to do the actual numbers of black slave owners and their slaves? Tell us in eighteen thirty year most carefully study by Carter g Woodson about thirteen point seven percent of the black. Population was free of these three thousand seven hundred seventy six of free negroes owned twelve thousand nine hundred and seven slaves out of the total of two million slaves owned in the entire United States is. So the numbers of slaves owned by black people overall was quite small by comparison with the number owned by white people is says in his essay. Say the known world of free black slaveholders. Thomas J Presley using Woodson statistics calculated that fifty four or about one percent of these black slave owners and thirteen mean thirteen eighteen thirty owned between twenty and eighty four slaves one hundred and seventy two owned between ten to nineteen slaves and three thousand five hundred and fifty each owned between one and nine slaves. Crucially, forty two percent owned just once lay Presley also shows that the percentage of free black slave owners as the total number of free blacks. His family's was quite high is several states, namely, forty three percent in South Carolina. Forty percent in Louisiana. Twenty six percent in Mississippi twenty seven twenty five percent in Alabama and twenty percent in Georgia. Now, there's only read this to you. Moreover, listen explains, but nettle benevolent negroes often purchase slaves to make their lives easier by granting. Them their freedom for a nominal sum or by permitting them to work it out on liberal terms. In other words, these black slave owners, the clear majority cleverly used a system of slavery to protect their loved ones. That's the good news. But not all did. And that is the bad news of a person ain't Halliburton concludes at the examining the evidence that it would be a serious mistake to automatically assume that free blacks on their spouse or children only for benevolent purposes wasn't himself. No, set a small number of slaves. However, does not always is a small number of slaves. However, does not always signify benevolence on the part of the owner. So that means that all because they may have only a few slaves doesn't mean that they were nice, and John hope Franklin knows the in North Carolina without doubt. There were those who possess lace for the purpose of advancing their own well-being. These negro slave owners were more interested in making their farms or carpenters shops, pay than they were treating this lays humanly humanely for these black slaveholders. He concludes. There was some effort to conform to the pattern established by the dominant slaveholding group within the state in the effort to elevate themselves to a position of respect and privilege. In other words, most black slave on us probably owned family members to protect them, but far too many turn to slavery to exploit the labor of other black people for profit. And it gives them names. He says John Stanley born a slave in craven county, North Carolina, the son of in Igbo mother, and her master John rice Stanley became an extraordinary successful barber and speculator in real estate in new and new Bern as Lorne I can't pronounce the last names when I'm gonna try as Lauren points out in black property owners and the south by the early eighteen twenty Stanley on three plantations and one hundred sixty three slaves and even higher three white overseers to manage his property. This is a black man who owns lays and higher white people in eighteen eighteen twenty s I'm sorry. It doesn't sound like me to everybody's being marginalized here, isn't it? You know? I mean this time I mean, of course, you know, you know, got some well, I'm just saying that what people who come up here. You know? So he fathered six children with a slave woman named kitty, and he eventually freed them Stanley losses estate when alone for fourteen thousand he had cosign with a white half brother, John came due at the his brother stroke, the loan on what Stanley sole responsibility, and he was unable to pay it. Switch gears here. But it, but yoga check that website out check that website out man, is is is very helpful. I guess we're good information on their please check it out. It just I'm just seeing how this narrative just tearing down. Just it's tearing down, man. So truth matters. Truth matters, my prayers that people were listen to this remove their preconceived notions and their emotions move it out the way, don't let your motions get in the way of all this y'all like don't let it get in the way of the truth. Because that's what we're seeing too much of is that people don't want to see don't want to see or hear the true. They rather continued to narrative of hate and division in all this people have to divest from whiteness, but down on the same term you have to divest from blackness, you know, and people don't want to say that. 'cause that's that's just you know, that's not politically, correct. As that's hate speech. But it's not hey species say people got a visit from white this come on man in the midst of all these flaws. We look at all of this in a world that's going on in the past and history and was going on now. And what do we do? How do we go forward? In the midst of all this the Asir is what it's always been in. That is the gospel. Look at everything I wanted to show you guys about this this lag man, who who was a slave and planted a church into south and only planet a church in a Sal but received help from white people. Received help from white people and white people. Listen to him. They listen to his sermons. They listened to him preach. I mean, I wanted to share it with you guys. I want to show you as man like what was author. Aetna. Reverend Andrew Brian Reverend Andrew Brian. I like he started a church received help from white people to start his church met at the sound. Like everybody was racist to me man, and it sound like everybody, just oh, I hate black people ABC, they all just a bunch of. No comes this that and the third like not here. Now, everybody just like dislike the blacks where there was some blacks who treated other blacks badly there. Why people treat advice black badly? But why why were blacks treated unfairly? Why would they treat it bad? Was it because of wideness a was it because with God? Is always said sin sin in our hearts, all of us darkened by sin bound to sin, and we can do nothing but same, and that's why we need our hearts to be changed. But how is that to be the gospel? The gospel is realized who Christ. He's our hope he's the one who can fix it. All he's one who's already fixed it at the cross. Do we not trust the finish work on the cross that he has indeed begin to make all things new? You know, because we don't see it right now. Do we get lose hope? And what I'm seeing is that people are mostly drawing from the pass to bring up a present evil, which is non-existent. The this idea is false idea of a white supremacist nation today yet to be proven yet to be shown. You see blacks? UC blacks who are in the top one percent of the country. How is that? If is based off a white supremacist nation opportunities there. Everybody had the same opportunity. But that doesn't mean is based off racism. And I said as before in another in another stream dealing with our airbases book. Everybody don't won't may not get the same loan have opportunity to get the same loan and everybody may not make the same wage. But that's okay. But that's not evil. That's not wicked. That's not belittling people. I think what we do is. We get our focus off of Christ into sad thing is that the people who are proponents for the woke ideology are saying that they are the ones who is focusing most on Christ. But when they started talking about what's going on. You don't hear the Mitch in San you? Don't hear the mention Christ in his judgment. None of that. Which you here is white mandate. This why people did that whiteness white does whiteness? They don't call it what it is which is sin. And the reason why is because if they was a call it sin, then they know that this this doesn't just go for white people that they call it sin the net. Then that will go for black people now go for Tinos now that will go for everybody, you know? So that's the reality of it, y'all. You know, we're going to need we need to continue to challenge that with the truth. The gospel is key. What is what is wrong with the world Singh? How is was wrong with the world going to be may right through Christ's through Christ's? The proclamation of the gospel message in by God's grace. He was saved those who are his and bring them to himself. By his grace having mersal all of us. What do we do? God is sovereign. He sovereign y'all. None has happened by happenstance. It mean God allow blacks to be free plant charges to convert otherwise Europeans to have a heart to leave slavery alone who were forced labor at one point. Now. They're harsher changed, and they are against it. Like, God was sovereign in all of that. You know in all of it. He wasn't taken by surprise in any of it. So the main one that they should be blaming his God because he's the one who allowed it. He's the one who gave parameters for to Israel, we so, but I don't want to blame to blame. God is easier to blame the white man and cast the blame on someone else because we're not going to but cast blame on God because our arms too short to box him. So anyway, would that be said, I'm hoping this was helpful to you guys? 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Ep046 New Years Resolutions, Goals, and Plans, Oh My!

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Ep046 New Years Resolutions, Goals, and Plans, Oh My!

"Welcome decrease in peace. Thanks for joining. Today's on your host anthony michael cardinal with that. Let's start the show here. We are twenty twenty one. It's nice to actually put a different number next to the twenty exactly so did you. Did you have a nice new years. I did i did. We didn't stay up till midnight. Always we rarely do but still in new year's eve yeah. I don't remember the last time we actually stayed up til midnight. Now if we did it was probably by accident but yeah we don't. That is true as my mom would say. She says the new year's coming in whether i'm sleeping or not that's right so that's right today since it is new year's We thought it'd be fund talk about new year's and not so much resolutions spunk planning goals. That's a better way to put it when you say planning don't like new year's resolutions. That's just too commercial just seems trite That's what everybody's doing kind of thing But goal setting saw a bit different. I think right yeah. I was thinking about the idea of resolutions. And the the worldly side of it. And i got to thinking here. Is why resolutions in and of themselves would be on biblical for for a christian while for anyone a couple of reasons one. They don't involve repentance true. There's this moral aspect of. I'm going to do better in this thing. Whatever it is even if it's just exercising more right something immoral but there's no repentance to it and oftentimes if we're trying to break a bad habit that's where it has to start has to start with repentance right. Admitting that we were overdoing right something. That was a good thing but we took it too far right you know a couple of years ago. I just felt like i was. I was too heavy. I just didn't like the amount of weight. I had on and it occurred to me that i needed to repent for that. And that really was the beginning of the process of god. Changing my my mind my heart on the whole thing and through that i lost about twenty pounds So that was one example of where it starts with repentance. Another reason why resolutions are unbiddable. Is often their self fueled. They're not focused on. God they are us pulling ourselves up by our bootstraps right self. Help self help exactly. And which reminds me of an old joke. I wrote of the whole idea of going into a bookstore in going to the information counter. And asking where where's the self help section. It's one of the few jokes. I don't think you've actually told me that. I would like to work in books or just for one day just to be able to use the exactly just so i can just look look at them with this blank. Stare and i can that face You really you really know. But they are oftentimes resolution as we see them in magazines. Sure the end of year issues. There it's all about again this whole idea of i'm gonna fix myself right. Fix yourself in the new year. A third reason i thought of was oftentimes. It's some kind of worldly goal now. I could be good. Like i said it could be weight loss or something like that but sometimes i it's especially for especially if we're an unbeliever to invest time and effort and energy in a resolution. It's a bit like rearranging bedecked. Chairs on the titanic. Because realistically what good is it if you lose twenty pounds or one hundred pounds or you start exercising more or you this or do that or whatever. The thing is curse last what whatever it is right. What good is that if realistically you are headed for hell That you can die any moment being on the treadmill or eating the salad or whatever and find yourself in an eternity in hell that is true. So there's this cart before the horse mentality with resolutions each just on biblical in that regard So those are a few unethical things by contrast that the biblical way of thinking about resolutions. If we're going to is this idea of repentance It starts with repentance. It starts with you know then. Then it's faith and it's leaning on god Leaning on god looking to god for the guidance and strength and yet for whatever it is that you're trying to accomplish right and again with the idea that first and foremost are you born again Are you a christian. Have you given your life to christ. Have you surrendered to christ because if you're not born again born from above it's a waste. Don't don't bother so this idea of looking to god as our strength for the whatever the change is that we wanna do and being born again i so. That's some some thoughts. I had about resolutions that are biblical or not biblical. Interestingly enough we were in all garden yesterday And i don't know if you caught the table next to us not a whole lot. I knew there was a little kid that they kept telling him to stop standing up. Yeah that was. That was the other other table the table on the other side of us. Uh-huh to the to the left or your right. There was a conversation of about. I don't know four or five adults six. Yeah it was a bigger tanned They were one of them. Said one of the men said he's not particularly self-motivated for. I think i did vaguely hear that. Yeah and and then one of the ladies said Yeah i'm not either. I used to be. But i'm not anymore. I used to go to the gym. And all that zoom care and and i'm paraphrasing. Of course i didn't. I didn't pull out my notebook and start. I didn't have my heated. He did not embarrass me like that at all. I will test podcast recording that into the microphone. Please i need this for us. Episodes right so it is interesting though that some people just are naturally motivated towards goals and some aren't and that honestly is me most of the time i mean i. I'm terrible at setting. And or keeping goals. I always happen. My whole life My maybe a few here and there some hundred to rest working on my master's degree after a few years like okay. I need to get this done. I just need to you know and my best girlfriend at the time which is set a goal and get it done. She says otherwise. You're gonna quit because that's pretty much. It was and she was right it really. That really did make a difference in. And i say that with the idea that probably shouldn't get so wrapped up goals that you lose sight of a lot of other things but i can say that over the years not setting goals and pretty much just going with the flow. Ninety nine percent of the time has not benefited me. It is probably hurt me more than it's helped. So that makes sense. And that's interesting. Also because you are great at meeting deadlines yeah You're great at tracking projects tracking. You know in your case Student outcomes right. You're great at the mechanical methodical plotting through an administrative endeavor in and fixing a problem. Right to solution so if it's there and it's part of what's in front of you you do it If the goal is build this spreadsheet for this project or whatever you say to it what's like in my case a certain cohort of students. What do they have left. what are they missing. What do we need to do. They need to get done by such and such and then wreck so. When did that out when it's delegated to you You are great with it. But the idea of developing goals on your own not so much now into what. You're now i'm not and like a few years ago when we had the opportunity to complete the biblical counseling exam Not going to get all the details of that but it turned out that we had an opportunity to actually because we had moved to complete the exam and there was a specific deadline involved and it just so happened. It was over my holiday break between fall and spring semester. So i agreed to the challenge. Because you were doing it as well and Got it done I i said a timeline. I set aside the time that i needed. And i got it done. I was very pleased with that too right. And for those who don't know. This was a series of essays that we had to write answers to questions in there. Were about fifty questions something like that. It was a lot. It was a lot a lot of research and a lot of writing And so it wasn't just sign on and take this. Yeah now not at all so But yeah that that is an example of a goal and yes you did hit that so we we've established some of us are naturally goal oriented goal oriented. I'm not open ended. I have to have a goal. I have to have what what is the end to have a deadline at i was deadline right. I was talking about this for example with my father a few weeks ago. My father's eighty nine years old for those of you who don't know him he's eighty nine. I it'll be ninety in this year. November twenty twenty one and he has played guitar since he was. I dunno thirteen or something. I think he said and i tried guitar. I picked it up. Put it down picked it up. Put it down played. it didn't play it. And i still like it. But i don't i don't play Because and and and he marvels at me. Because now i'm finishing up my second masters and i completed. My bachelor's had three thirty eight then. I got masters five years ago. Then i got the second masters lord willing coming may and he marvels at me. That i get these degrees and i take all these certifications and things for work and the biblical counseling and all that. I'm marvel at him because of what he does. Minor goal oriented mine. Have something at the end of it. That say dun I can't compute what he does. This idea of. Never mastering this instrument. You never get to a point where you can say. You're you're done right. i. I've achieved this level in my mind the way my mind works. I can't do that. It's now because you want prodigy level right off the bat which i itself but i'm also willing to work for it on goals. If the goal is there i understand that. There's a start. There's a middle. there's an it Yeah i would love to master something but but the point is there's no end goal with playing guitar. There's no you don't you. Don't cross a finish line. You don't break the tape. You don't say that is qatar. I can't function like that. I have to have clear goals. So so we see all these different ways that god makes us In this episode. What we want to talk about is this idea of. What are some goals. We can do for the new year whether we are good at goals. Like me Or not good at goals like me so and realistically there's nothing in the bible about new year's there's nothing magical about the new year. There's nothing at. God says that we have to plan goals new years. But it is a natural cycle of life You know it fits into the whole ecclesiastical three there is a season for everything. Kind of motif sure mine. Mine tends to be even more so around the start and end of term Because that's been my life for twenty five years so i'll kind of do this whole nesting. Getting things organized before semester starts as just a way of starting fresh right right and so with new years. It's a great time because everyone is naturally reflective Everyone is naturally hopeful. I think so you know. Even the lost person is hopeful that the year ahead is better than the year. Mind exactly so it is a good time to reflect on these things. And so how can we do this. I was thinking proverb. Sixteen nine and says in his heart a man plans his course but the lord determines his steps right and so in his heart a man plans. as course. it's okay to plan your course You know we see james saying he's not condemning. The men who plan no. He condemns the men who who who plan. Who say we're going to go here and do this and that and buy and sell. But they don't say if the lord wills right they don't leave their plans in the lap of the lord right. They don't look to him right so which goes back to the idea that in everything that we're saying today in our whole conversation today understand that at the very foundational level. The number one goal of every person should be to get right with god absolute. That's number one year. Goal is if you're not right with the lord. Jesus christ today get right with the lord be born again seek the lord and if you have any questions about that email us at show at grace and peace radio dot com. Go through happy to talk to you about go to need. God dot com. There's resources there. There's all kinds of resources and so that's foundational to every single human being as far as beyond that what what are some. What are some categories of goals that we can. We can plan for this year. I would think there are personal. Goals which might include physical things like exercise watching what you eat eating a little bit healthier. One of mine is to learn to new recipes a month to try to widen my cooking repertoire. Which is pretty small I had to lose weight. So that tells you that whatever you do it must be doing some good well. That's good outside of starving. You just don't feed you. But i would say personal goals another goal which sounds pious. But i don't mean it that way the idea of holiness personal holiness yeah. I don't know where church attendance service being fed serving comes into. I don't know what category you would put that under. But that would be part of it too. I would think which also goes via of not binding ourselves with legalism. The idea that if you attend sunday school every day every sunday through the year. Then you're somehow holier than you were the year before right exactly Frankly some of the most ungodly people are deacons or trustees and members of church uh-huh and that's not a blanket statement. Obviously it's right now. It's just that human beings are human being and the those positions those those opportunities don't make someone godly. And of course you know. I think of academic goals i think our financial goals really the idea of for the christian. I see goals as stewardship. This is this is an opportunity to say lord true. How can i better steward my life. That you have given me My time my time that you've given me my mind my resources my resources. You know the the money you've given the all of it The energy i have. How can i ultimately love god with all my heart soul mind and strength and love others matter this year then even last year right and do all things. So the glory of god right and one of one of my goals is to spend more time reading one of the cataclysms spurgeon has a baptist catechism. And it's really based off of the westminster catechism. But i wanna read more of that and it is this idea of what is the chief end of man it's to enjoy god and glorify him forever And so these goals that we think of offer to do that right as we think of tho. Those are how we ought to think of them. What what are the things are and this is a. This is one of those things to where as a christian. We don't just think of them on our own ask. The lord asked the lord to help you come up with goals asked moore to to show you your heart. What are the things that again you need to repent of need to be more loving needs to be more patient need to be more whatever. The thing is Giving an strive to to do those things. Alternately it's how can we strive to be more like christ. And i think in the area of time because i know one of my. My goals for this year is to make better use of my time in the evenings For at least say an hour. I mean there's rest is rest is needed at the end of the day especially when it's busy workday and expanded a lot of energy to do that well incorrectly. But there's a certain amount of that time in the evening that could be better spent than scrolling through facebook and watching puppy videos which. I have a tendency to do too much of so again. It's not that that's bad no. It's not like anything else. It could be too much of a thing. Well when when. I'm lying in bed at night and working to go to sleep and i think over the evening i frankly a little embarrassed that k- that was what i spent you know two hours doing. It's just then. I would have been better served in reading a novel or something but but my point being is that sometimes if you're really not sure where your time is going track it for a week. I mean. i've done this with my students. When i was teaching freshman class. One of the exercises was they had to track their time for two weeks which gets really tedious. So i wouldn't suggest that but honestly probably could figure it out pretty quickly in a few days if you really were mindful and wrote down what you were doing. My students were finding out just how much time they were watching tv. How much time they were on social media. How much time. They were sleeping. And realize wow. I actually have more time than i realized right and we could do the same thing. Yeah i remember years ago. This is really even before i was a genuine christian was really a nominal christian at that point for those twenty years and i got in the world and learned about time management And different things. And then i picked up a booklet which is a christian booklet called tyranny of the urgent. Oh right excellent little book it really does start you off with tracking your time but the idea is that not everything is not everything in is supposedly urgent really is. It's not even important right in times right and but anyway that reminded me of for me like i said finishing my md by may. That's that's a goal absolutely. I've decided to start a ninety day. Bible reading plan I try to read through the bible once a year a couple years ago. It took me a little over a year. And i realized you know. I'm just going a little too slow at this in twenty nineteen. I did it in ten months. Latin so that showed me. I could do it then. In twenty twenty. We both did the one year bible where it lays out the readings every single day. So you are locked into this one year thingers meeting ahead or whatever. It was good but we both agreed that it goes a little bit too slow slow right it slowed us down where we needed to slow down and it was a it was definitely a good experience for the year. Yes yeah and it was great to read it slowly so this year though. I do want to try to read a ninety day bible reading plan which you've already done i did. I did actually did that. just before the start of twenty twenty and i found it to be. That was one of those things that it was a a goal set that i really was anxious to achieve and it was hugely beneficial. I i really enjoyed it was work. I mean i definitely took discipline but it was good So i'm hoping to do that. And then ideally. I'd actually like to try to do that four times this year. Riyan four times down k. That's that's a lot But i would like to try to do that. I'm currently in the midst of reading. George whitfield journals I'm only a hundred and thirty pages in forget. Maybe it's like four hundred five hundred pages. I wanna finish that. I am reading the biography of a pastor cambridge charles simeon in the late seventeen hundreds and early eighteen hundreds one. Finish that so that i can read. There's a book by one of the students. Simeon used to have these sort of table talks with his students And one of the students wrote down a lot of what he said. So i wanna read that but in order to read that i want to really get a better feel for sure simeon himself so i wanna do that You know the usual financial goals of saving more and whatnot. And i noticed last year that especially given the election especially given the election. I wasted a huge amount of time on twitter. Twitter facebook news sites And so much. So much of what i've read as i look back. It was all speculative it was so much of it was chaff word for so much of it was just a waste. Just a colossal. Waste of my life. And and i i feel so bad about that because there were so many other things i could have been reading or doing or something other than wasting my time with that as much time as i did so this year. I really hope to do less of that And again it really does start with repentance and true even that honestly. It's something i didn't even think necessarily that before. We started recording now that we have recorded this. It reminded me. Oh yeah i have to go back and re pin for that to reset to be able to go. So that is something i'm going to be doing. That is true and that is a good reminder. Because i tend to not think that way then at the end some of these things that i have written down. They're not all of them but for some of them. There is a certain amount repentance that has to be done man to move forward. And then lastly i want to just trust the lord and and wait on him more in. That really is where the trying to read the bible in ninety days and then do it again and then do it again and then do it again comes in because i want to hide god's word in my heart We have a lot of books in our house. In a lot of excellent christian books and those are all through the providence of god right but ultimately none of the matter as much as hiding the word itself in my heart and applying to my life in to our life and so on and so. That's what i wanna do this year. And of course you know be more prayerful all those sorts of things that you know. Christians ought to do right. That's all part of our sanctification. So so that's those are some thoughts on goals in in some thoughts on sharing some of michael's what are what are some of yours. Well i managed to write down ten and not gonna talk about all of them. That's pretty impressive for someone who doesn't usually works hard job. Well done thank you there. There was a lot of sitting staring at the notebook. So i thank you. I truly appreciate that a couple things will one i had mentioned for those of you know me. I'm not. I'm an okay. Cook i get us by you. Know i have some things that i i make well. But it's not something that's my thing in that i. Oh wow. I'm really excited about this new recipe as anthem protests. When we got married. I was perfectly happy eating peanut butter out of the jar or eating a bowl of popcorn for dinner. So right which is part of having lived on your own us really just being the two of us right to anyway so i wanna learn my my goal. I figure it's a modest goal is learned two new recipes a month to cook and try and hoped to add to another thing is finish a booklet that i've been working on for off and on for about two years. I really want this year to be where i get it done So that that's a big goal for me for this year. Another one is to truly be more open to whatever changes the lord has in for this year. If if any to just be willing to be willing. That's something that's hard for me. Change is hard for me. I tend to kick it the goads so to speak On that a lot of the time. And i just wanna be obedient and so i. I want to be open to to whatever that that might be. I also wanna work at being less angry in various situations politics. Krona virus nonsense. You mean the politics of the corona of politics of the coronavirus the election Software systems which i tend to get mad at the computer a lot. And that's a waste of time and a generally wasn't righteous anger where that meant it was legit. It was just which one might say my irish temper getting the best of me and it's just not biblical and it's not healthy so it sort of like you with getting away from twitter and that i need to step back from from some of the stuff that's going on in the world and god sovereign and good really keep my hope in that And again as i said make better use of my time in the evenings. The idea of like at least an hour after dinner is done and cleaned up to where i i do. Something productive work on my book. Whatever it is meal nonfiction reading. I'm reading a history book right now. I just got for christmas. The new elizabeth elliott biography of becoming elizabeth. Who got you that. This wonderful man. I know who just is such a good guy I bought you that. Yes my love. You did buy me. That and i was very excited. Okay very excited to get that. But i'm very excited to read that biography. So i thought you were referring to some other family member. That was me so. So that's you know there's there's a few other ones in there but Those are some of the the highlights right right. I hope you enjoyed our discussion of this. It's natural that some of us are more goal oriented and some of us aren't but think of it this way the lord himself is he plans he. I don't know if we can say he has goals but he he works say he said he had had worked for the father to do right while he was here on earth right and so obviously there were goals and things to be accomplished in that time frame and we just we see all through scripture. You know we see in creation. God god works. God established work for us as a good thing and these goals that we talk about. They are a form of work their form of stewardship and they're part of the whole idea of the image of god being made in the image of god is often overused but the animal world doesn't have goals world doesn't reflect at new year's and that sort of thing so in this sense eight is sort of part and parcel of being made in the image of god sure to to work to steward And that sort of thing so hope they. That's been encouraging to you. I hope one of your goals is that you will keep tuning in to grayson piece radio. We sell we certainly enjoy doing this for you. We certainly enjoy you joining us every week and it is it is one of our goals also to to keep doing this and say lord. What else can we talk about. What else what do you have force in the coming year for the show. Yes and if there's anything that you all would like to hear us talk about let us know mean. We can always use some ideas. Yeah exactly you know. We'll we're gonna be talking next week about you know a couple episodes ago we talked about your the books that you the authors and everything and Now we're gonna be talking about audio books right because listener was was kind enough to say that she enjoyed that podcast but she does audio books and i have another friend who does a lot of audio listening to books. So i'm gonna do some research on that which is interesting because you and i aren't particularly audiobook people now so this is it gives us a need opportunity to explore an area that we haven't really delved into right so that'll that'll be fun. I definitely see the validity of of audiobooks. Yeah absolutely many people. Yeah so that Well i'll say that story for next time. My i've an audio book joke knocked. Yeah i know. I'm going to save it for next to all right. So so that's it. Lord bless you may the lord bless you in twenty twenty one may trust him. You know him more than you do right now and anyway all grow in grace love love. Jesus christ all the more receivers. Well that's our show for today. I hope you'll join us next time. We spend time in. God's word looking at how we can grow knowledge of love for him and our service to. If you've enjoyed me per visit us grayson peace. Radio dot com or on facebook at facebookcom forward slash recent peace radio until next time. I'm your host anthony russo and jesus changed my life.

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Ep074 The Christians Hope of Heaven

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Ep074 The Christians Hope of Heaven

"Welcome to grayson piece radio with your hosts anthony and amy russo. Grace and peace. Radio is a weekly friskin. Podcast where together. We'll discuss how we can apply god's word to everyday life thanks for joining us for today's episode. It's our hope that you will be encouraged and god will be glorified and with that. Let's start the show. All right are back. Welcome once again. Welcome everyone hey. Thanks so much for joining us on grayson beach. Radio i am anthony. And i m amy. Today we wanna talk about the hope of heaven. Yes that is our topic today. You know the whole point of what we do. We try to encourage ourselves encourage you in all the aspects of the christian life and really one of the aspects that so important for us to to keep encouraging ourselves with ease. This hope of heaven that this this is not our home where we're at this temporal Temporary and our as it says our citizenship is in heaven. yeah as believers before we get started. 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And we really haven't talked too much about this before him now excited to just do off the cuff right. What are you looking forward to about heaven. The most obvious is being able to be with. Jesus and in my mind you know to see him to look him. I two i to talk with him. An equal measure being able to talk to the apostles and hang out with peter and paul or andrew. You know mu the ones that don't necessarily get as much Press time in the bible and just different saints and obviously family although to be perfectly honest. I don't dwell on that too much because there's so many of my family members that aren't safe so i don't dwell on that too much but The yet to sing saints of old. I agree i think those are all aspects of heaven that i certainly look forward to. Of course you know seeing the lord and saints and so on. I think for me one of the things i look forward to is no more sin jam as amy scratches. Her skin is still to. I was trying to make noise. And i do it right in front of the microphone. Okay i'm done face right now. Either of the mock. Oh good grief. That was awful. But what i started to say was of course besides seeing the lord and seeing these heroes of of the bible heroes of the faith no more sin just knowing that the race is done. That by god's grace. I will have crossed the finish line and so no more tears. No more trials no more uncertainty. No more dow no more fear no more no more sin no more temptation tation no more sin. Yes it's a good good point. I have to say that something that i would have trouble wrapping my mind around that whole idea of finishing the race but in the bigger component of no more sin. No more temptation. No more battling sin roy every day and of course the music Not only the music of the angelic host. And what is that like. But also what is the music like of the saints as they bring all their different cultures and not just the motors. But they're eras of history. That's so now you've got that whole aspect. I look forward to being able to sing. Well right into be able to sing in front of an orchestra there you just a beautiful orchestra having that sound around you if you sing and praise god you know. Those are things that i'm looking forward to. You mentioned for instance. You mentioned family one of the things. I was thinking of leading up to this recording. Was i don't know many believers in my family right i in some respect. I think that i'm the first of my family generations to to be a believer but the lord knows and so i'm interested when i get to heaven. I mean my mom. She became a believer before she died for. She went to be with the lord. I'm interested when i get there to be welcomed by family. That i i never even knew you know all that for my relative from five hundred years ago or a thousand years ago or two thousand years ago right now My great great times twenty grandmother grandfather or whatever hadn't thought about it that far back but yeah yeah. No that that'll be kinda cool really. We're related you know Oh you you're the reason. I'm sure you had to go there Well you know. I guess my cynicism won't be in heaven so you never know on a more serious note because you know talking about heaven is is important in being aware of it is important but there are times that i contemplate. What are we going to be aware of. When we're in heaven in terms of are we going to be aware of. Who's not there and are we gonna feel regret at what that looks like saint make sense absolutely yeah I think we will will know who's not there. Obviously i mean family members friends spurgeon talks about on the great day how a mother will cheer that the lord cast her unbelieving child into hell for not believing the gospel that that a mother will cheer for the glory of the lord that the lord is getting justice and glory from that act and which is a radical thought to think about but each true i mean ultimately our focus our our greatest desire is that the lord would have glory and the lord would receive glory and when the lord right every wrong and the lord opens the books and settles accounts we will cheer not for the destruction of those people right but that the lord is receiving glory that all that was done against his commands against his authority against his sovereignty is is judged and is dealt with and that the lord regains not regains but the lord's righteousness prevails And so we will cheer. And so i think i think we'll know but it's not gonna bob ross. I like to think that may not i really would. Because it's a you know. Obviously you don't care when it's the darkness of principalities and princes and those of this world there have been wicked and oppressive and those kinds of things. It's a little harder when it hits close to home russia. So yeah. It's one thing to to imagine. A hitler being judged and thrown into hell It's another thing to imagine our own loved ones in this life right right but again we will love the lord more at that point we will focus on his glory. And so it wouldn't. Yeah i would think that we would have a better in that moment we would have. That finally gained the knowledge and appreciation. Of god's justice breyer in its fullness right and therefore not be bothered right so there are so many aspects of heaven right. The food What's that going to be like the animals. Yes we know they are going to be animals. There scripture talks about that so that will be pretty neat Yeah i i just think of the vividness of colors in the sky and young rain really just for the point of rains beauty. 'cause rain can be beautiful. Sure absolutely mountains and season. I just think of it as being having an extra vibrancy to all of it more as a result of it being heaven. I'm reminded of for those of you. Who maybe have didn't grow up with listening to keep green from the early late seventies early eighties. I'm reminded of a statement. He makes at the beginning of one of his songs that was recorded live and he talks about how the lord the bible says that the lord created the earth. Heavens in the earth in six days. And i don't know if there are literal six days or not some scientists would say yes there are some theologians say yes scientists would say. No all i know is if this world took six days and and jesus said he he's gone to prepare a place for us in the that home is taken two thousand years then he says hey man. This world is living in garbage cans and pair to. What's going on if they're true. And obviously some some keith. Green tongue-in-cheek there right. But i think he's right that you know we can't even imagine what the lord has prepared For eternity and he says a home. I go to prepare a place for you as far as believers go. I was reading that one of the things that inspired this episode. I told you. I was finishing up reading. George whitfield journals from his early days of of ministry in his early twenties and he remarks on page. It's four seventy nine in in my version of this This is about seventeen forty seventeen forty one somewhere around there anyway. He meets up with. He comes over from england to america and again and he meets with jonathan edwards and jonathan edwards. Father and mother and he he just loves john. Edwards's is he loves john edwards and he loves his father and mother and so he says as soon as the sermon was over i wrote a mile and a half and preached thronged congregation belonging to old mr edwards father of mr edwards of north hampton. That's jonathan edwards. After exercise which i guess he means after church we self that the house of mr edwards. His wife was as aged. I believe as himself. And i fancied that i was sitting in the house of his acuras and elizabeth. I parted from him in his son. Who came with me. Thus far with regret but blessed be god we shall meet in eternity. Lord grant that i may always comfort myself with this thought. That's cool it is cool and so it's a reminder that we ought to comfort ourselves with this thought with this thought of heaven and also as i was reading it i made a little note next week and they have enjoyed it because they have been reunited in heaven for all these years humanly almost three hundred years. Well not quite three hundred but still two hundred long tires so humanly. There's no time in heaven anymore We understand it but so is this really cool to that. All of them are there no they. They crossed that finish line. And by god's grace and and so they've they've got the sweet reunion and several times throughout his journals. He makes that kind of a comment about looking forward to heaven looking forward to reunion so forth. And you just made me think about you. Know the he says that several times throughout these journals and there's a journal entries this a thick book and that's not even his whole life. I have to wonder if because of reading elizabeth apprentices letters and journals. There's a lot of talk on heaven and seeing people in heaven. I wonder because life expectancy at that. Point in time was so small on average that i don't know you gotta wonder if maybe they were. Just more aware of heaven her it was more at the forefront of their mind Because there's a lot more sicknesses and women dying in childbirth than sure all of that possibly possibly i think all christians regardless of how long they live whatever all christians ought to be thinking about heaven and comforting themselves with heaven. I think that's a natural thing. It's supernatural. i mean it can only happen when you're born again. But for the christian it becomes now a natural thing and that's the difference again between the the lost person the unsaved who lives in fear of death And the christian where now that fear of death is removed by jesus right and so we can look forward to it with hope. I remember uring a quote from rc sprawl. He was talking about. He said he doesn't fear death but he fierce dying right and that was before he had ever gotten sick. He was still in really good. Health apply only in his fifties or sixties. At that point that was his things he he feared the process of dying right. That may well be. I know none of us really wants to be suffering. Or what have you lingering. But the fear of death itself. We don't we don't have that anymore as believers nor do i believe that we should a great and one of the things i'm reading now is a french. Pastor in the eighteen mid eighteen hundreds adolf menad mo an od. He was a renowned pastor preacher scholar at the time and then he got sick among exactly sure what he had but it was one of those lingering illnesses for the last maybe six seven eight months of his life and he was bedridden and really suffered in in a lotta pain well. Every sunday night a group would come together. They'd have a small communion service together and his home and then he would just give a few words. You know really Homilies how a subscribe of just some exaltation on some aspect of the christian life. So i'm reading that now and it's it's just fascinating because here ease a person just like you and me whose faith is in jesus christ just like you and me and he is facing imminent death and yet out of that. You see this rock solid faith not this pollyanna not this Emotionalism or in this is bedrock faith. That changed the person. And i mean he he. He knows where he's going and he knows lord and he knows you know and the lord is with him through this this time of suffering and it's fascinating to read all this and so i'm really enjoying that and i'll share more about that on some future episode and it's free by the way it's it's there's you can get on. Pdf just out on the internet. Now put a lincoln show news. But i think ever crushing ought to be it's unnatural for somebody who professes to be a christian not to look forward to heaven. I think that's learned though. 'cause i i wasn't like that early on in my christian walk i still was. I knew that i was going to heaven but because it's such an unknown. It's the learning of trust and obey. Just trust the lord and read your bible and obviously. I hadn't been in the bible as much but i was still squirmy about the whole idea of death. And it's really. That's that's developed over time. To where i have an appreciation to live is christ to dis. Gain took me forever to understand what that phrase -ment but to have an appreciation and to look forward to the fact. Yeah i i can have conversations with my mom who's eighty five and we just have matter fact conversations about it but we both know where she's going and so there's comfort in that Right i can understand that. I can appreciate that idea that it's not like as soon as somebody repents and believes the gospel. Now they're like. I can't go to heaven Right because you're right the first of all as with everything in our old lives. There's a lot that the lord is patient to have us unlearn exactly and then to learn so one of those things for example would be the unlearn thing that i have to fear death And then the learning that. I can look forward to death to eternal life really what you're looking forward. Yeah yeah that. And that's probably the better way to phrase it right at death to life now. A couple of thoughts. I i have about that lets you. A person's been a professing christian for some time whatever that is And essentially i believe that if a person if a christian doesn't have a hope of heaven that there are maybe like three reasons why that would be the case one. They're ignorant of the benefit. Maybe goes to the what you were talking about with a new christian so that they're ignorant of that that also is part of the package if you will or their doubtful so there's this again they just have to learn and have to look into the word and hear some sermons out having discussions about heaven or just grow in their knowledge of the so. I think that's one thing that a person could be ignorant of the benefit. If somebody doesn't have a hope of having it could be that there are too attached to this world. That's a second That you don't have a hope for heaven because frankly don't wanna leave You think boy. I don't wanna let this go. That's been my kid right my kids. Yeah obviously that's not a good thing enough. The third thing third reason our thinking of a person a professing christian wouldn't have a hope of heaven ease because frankly they're not truly converted It's all great but let's not talk about that right know. I wanna talk about You know heaven dying on that not that we love death for the sake of debt's sake we love eternal life. We love the idea of looking forward with hope. And what wouldn't you say that that has to do. Sometimes with people not understanding the assurance of their faith. Yeah yeah that's that's a good point that would be. Maybe even a fourth reason that i hadn't considered that they aren't assured of their face. So or or you know. Don't have an understanding that means right. They don't understand that if they truly are in. Christ they are eternally secure. You're not gonna lose your salvation relieve your forsake you That's that's your salvation. Some other idea that. I was thinking about with heaven was as believers. I think it's important that we not have a cheap view of heaven. I i've never been a fan of southern gospel. Okay just as a musical genre i'm just not into it. apologies. If you're into it. I just find a campy For two reasons. Mainly i find it kind of campy number one usually when they talk about the lord. It's not always with a high view of god. i think it's kind of a low view of god. A lotta times in the music. Less than reverend bray and oftentimes it's about self and not about the lord you know they're not praising lords righteousness or whatever it's all about will. What have i gotten out of this. You know. And i said to reasons but the third really is along with that the view of the view of heaven where they call it. Glory land And not all the time. And i can't. I can't list give examples of southern gospel songs. Because again i. I don't know the songs i just have heard them. You know that when you hear right. And i just find that they're just not as feel logically robust Mature as an isaac. Watch him or something like that. You know a typical steady night of is not a good thing. Yeah but yeah so. I don't like when when i hear those songs and they just have this cheap view that you know. I just can't wait to get the glory land or whatever that's not necessarily southern gospel. It could be although channels as well. I suppose yeah. I suppose a even contemporary right. I think it's important though that that we do regularly encourage ourselves and think about heaven because also it reminds us of how temporary this life is that before we know it. We're gonna be there right. We only have so long to read our bibles to pray to grow our faith so that when we are older or infirm or whatever we've got that the treasury of faith that the lord is built up in us raw foundation right in a sense this time as mortals. I don't know how else to say You know time on earth It's a real unique time in in our life. As i don't know how to say it as an entity as a creature of god we're here for only you know it's kind of like saying you're only you're only a child once Right right well. This is sort of our spiritual childhood if you will and so once we're done with this life will never be this again. We know it's the rest of this ease. We are attorney with the lord in everything is different. We even have a new body in everything so in one sense do everything we can follow the lord in this life at this time but also encourage ourselves in what is to come and and with that it it should provide by being mindful of heaven. It should bring us comfort something. I was thinking about this morning as i was reading. Amos and the prophecies and israel gonna be exiled in judgment we think of our own times as unique and the craziness in chaos and wickedness in sin to be at a an upper level a higher level. That's probably really not the case. Because i think every generation has felt that way but regardless of that should bring us comfort in our time where we're at now looking at the news looking on the internet the headlines just looking around in your own neighborhood. You should find comfort as a believer that this isn't all there is Then that there will be something more and better for us as a result of christ. Now i'm thinking i want to end with because that's really talking about home-sickness yes. I didn't make that term. No you want to go ahead and tell our listeners about yes glory. I have a friend. We have a friend who has written and this was written in nineteen eighty. She wrote about homesickness. And i want to to listen to what she had to say It's an excerpt from an article on homesickness that she wrote in thinking about home-sickness. I'm reminded of an old gospel song. I heard many years ago called homesick for heaven. Now this is a new idea for even many christians. why aren't more believers homesick for heaven. For one reason they know nothing about what it will be like. They don't read the bible enough to fill up any real hunger for the things of the lord. They do not have that special personal relationship which only comes from reaching out in heartfelt prayer. You naturally don't miss or get homesick for unfamiliar things. Oh that we might come to the knowledge that our life here is so temporal the scriptures say quote for what is your life it is even vapor that appears for a little time and then vanishes away nets from james four fourteen. In view of the brevity of this life and the analyst -ness of eternal life. How much more. We should be preparing ourselves here for the life over there. Are you homesick today. No matter how far we are from home he is always there. Proverbs eighteen twenty four states. There is a friend that stick closer than a brother. If you feel today that you are without friends and loved ones. Isn't it wonderful to know that the lord is always there he is our all in all. Is he yours today. The words to the following him should some up the way the believer walking close to the lord should feel. I've a longing in my heart for. Jesus i've along in my heart to see his face. I am weary also weary of traveling here below. I have a longing in my heart for him that was written by our friend. Duty bat dorf. And i'm going to get choked up. Judy went to be with the lord and may and that was the that was what her husband put in. The the program at her funeral on the back was the excerpt from this. And i was just really blown away by judy ben sick for a long time but she was a special lady even in the short time that i knew her but she's not homesick anymore right. She's whipped lord and that again. It's a beautiful thing. And she's experiencing everything that we talked about and more. Yeah in and so we praise the lord for for her life or her witness for how something she wrote. Forty years ago is still touching lives today and is still pointing people to cry so i guess really to closing thoughts one. I hope you're busy in this brief life doing things that point people. Jesus whatever your thing is you know for us. It's trying to this little podcast and just try to be good faithful church members and encouraging disciple and yeah and employees at our jobs and that sort of thing whatever the wherever talents lords given. You hope you're using them. The point people to cry because you never know forty years from now. What kind of effect could have wore a hundred years or or like whitfield three hundred years on and to hope. You're looking forward to heaven. I hope that you are not in any way worried about this life or dying on all that but that you are just born in and so in love with the lord that you you can't wait to be with him right and you're thankful for each and every day you wanna do your best for him every day but at the same time. You just can't wait to be there till live is christ to dis gain. So we're thankful so much for you. Yes we are and we pray that the lord blesses you and with that. We'll talk to you next them unless you all well. That's our show today. I hope you'll join us next time as we spend time in god's word looking at how we can grow in knowledge of him love for him and our service to him. Grace and peace. Radio is honored to be a member of the christian podcast community. It's a ministry of striving for eternity. Fine more christian podcasts. At kristian podcast community dot com. If you've enjoyed what you've heard today visit us at greece in peace radio dot com and on facebook until next time i'm your host the the russo and jesus changed my life

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The Jesus Revolution & Evangelism: The Opportunity to Share Your Faith

Greg Laurie Podcast

27:30 min | 7 months ago

The Jesus Revolution & Evangelism: The Opportunity to Share Your Faith

"The following message from pastor greg. Laurie is made possible by harvest. Partners helping people everywhere. No god if you would like to know how you can become a harvest partner. Just go to harvest dot org. That's harvest dot org when you share your next to being a christian. This is one of the most joyful fulfilling things we can do. It's not just for the laws people folks gets for us. It's for us to coming up today. On a new beginning pastor greg laurie out the compelling true that when we bring others to christ it brings us closer to christ. I believe if we would just obey the great commission we would experience personal revival. Our mission statement here at a new beginning is knowing him and making him known today. We'll see how those two ideas are inseparably linked when we make him known we know him better when we draw other people to christ. we're drawn the christ. Sounds like a great idea. Doesn't and today on the broadcast as pastor greg. Laurie brings us the final installment in his pocket or series examining the jesus movement. We'll see how we can put that great idea into practice. Let's grab our bibles and turn to matthew. Chapter twenty eight and the title of my message is the jesus revolution in evangelism. The real traits of the jesus movement was people were out everywhere sharing the gospel. That was the way it was back. Then you'll say well that that's great man. I wish it was that way today. Why can't it be that way today. I last time. I checked it. Great commission is still in the bible. You know what the great commission is all read it in a moment. But it's the words of jesus to go into all the world preach the gospel. I know we're maybe reluctant to share that. But there's power in the message of the gospel and the powers always been there and the power will always be there. Because paul said i'm not ashamed of the gospel of christ i is the power of god and a salvage asian to every one who believes in the word that uses for powers. Greek were doing amiss which means dynamic dynamite power if ever. There was a generation that needs to be engaged with the gospel this generation. You want to know what god gets excited about. If i can use that verbiage of god god gets excited. Heaven gets excited when people believe in. Jesus the bible says there is joy in heaven over one sinner that comes to repentance. I mean think about that from every time a person churned some their sin and put their faith in jesus christ. There's a shout of praise in heaven. So i mentioned the great commission. Let's go to our textile matthew twenty eight. Let's read it. This is a very important statement that frankly we all should commit to memory. Jesus says matthew twenty eight verse. Eighteen has been given to be in heaven on earth go therefore and make disciples of nations baptizing them and they name of the father son and the holy spirit teaching them to observe all things that i've commanded you and lo i am with you even to the end of the age. There's one more version of the great commission if you will. That's in mark. Sixteen eight fifteen where jesus simply says going to all the world and preach the gospel to every person so to pull it all together. The great commission is to go into all the world and preach. The gospel led by the holy spirit to bring people to christ then to disciple them. This is where a lot of people miss a key element. it's not just to proclaim the gospel. It's a lead people to christ and disciple them get them up on their feet spiritually teaching them to observe all things that i have commanded you and low in with you to the end of the aids. I believe if we would just obey the great commission we would experience personal revival. Why do i say that because when you catch your eyes off of yourself for a moment and think about somebody else that's lost and separated from god and leave your comfort zone and seek to share your fate next to being a christian. This is one of the most joyful fulfilling things we can do and this is why the devil doesn't want us to do it. There's one thing. Christians and non christians have in common. It's this we're both uptight about the gospel. Satan's uptight with a sharing the gospel. We're tight with sharing the gospel so nonbelievers they don't wanna hear it. Don't talk to me because like we're saying earlier that figure going to shove it down their throat judgmental and mean. We should never be that way. Listen if you want to win some be winsome be nice about it. Share the gospel with a smile on your face care about the person you're talking to and build that bridge so many times. Christians burn bridges instead of build bridges and the objective is not to win the argument. It's to win the soul. Because i've seen some christians who are very knowledgeable and they come in with both gospel guns loaded and the unload them on the non-believer and tear down their arguments and humiliate them in the number. Levers says what a jerk and want to talk to a christian again. He could have done a lot more if you just showed a little compassion and love and let them share for a while and say what they think and now you can respond appropriately with the message of the gospel but this is the great commission but sadly from any the great commission is the great omega. Now let me say something that might surprise some. But i believe it's true. I believe to not share. The gospel can actually be sin. And you might say greg. You're going too far. We'll wait hold on. What is the sent there's different definitions of because there's different kinds of sin. One definition of sin is to cross a line. So if i'm told don't step on the carpet. And i step on the black carpet. I just crossed the line. That's called the trespass. So when i break a commandment or i do it. God tells me not to do cross the line. That's ascent that's a sin of commission but then there's a sin of omission the sin of omission is not doing what i should do. The bible says that knows to do good and does not do it to him at his sin. So if i really believe the bible and i really believe with the bible says about the afterlife at there really isn't heaven and the really is a hell if i really believed the gospel which effectively says jesus christ is the only way to the father and i really believe a person rejects christ. They will spend eternity separated from him. And i don't even try to engage a person in a conversation that could be the sin of you see so we don't want that to happen and i think also we miss out on a great blessing. Here's how it's spiritually vives. You when you get a new believer in your life it can reinvigorate your faith. Listen to this. A new christian needs an older believer and their life to stabilize them. An older christian needs a younger believer in their life to energize them. You know so you know if you know the lord for a long time and you just hang around with other people that have known the lord for a long time you go to church. You go out afterwards. Maybe you argue theological new shot but when you over brand new believer that this for the first time man it's gonna change you. You might actually talk about things that would interest the new believer and they'll ask you questions and you may not have the answers then again. You may have a lot more answers than you think. See god does not give us this truth to hoard and to keep to ourselves. He gives us his truth to share. And jesus said kevin shall be given unto you. Press down shaking together running over with the same measure you give. It will be given to you when you read generous believer in every way that includes with your finances that includes your vandalism. That includes everything. Where you're a giving person god will replenish your supply. And i think when you are around a new believer they're asking you questions. Well it reminds you of things you've forgotten how much you ever shared something with someone. S you're sharing it. You get excited about it again. You're telling them what jesus did. And what it was like when you first came to christ and how your life has changed and as you're sharing your story you're getting all fired up about it. That's why you need to do it. It's not just for the lots people folks it's for us. It's for us to and by the way you know more than you think you know already said that but you really do because you sit in church all the time and you hear all these bible studies it's going in your heart and it's going in your mind and when you try to help someone it'll start coming to your memory because the holy spirit will bring it to your memory pastor greg. Laurie will have the second half of his message in just a moment here. Everybody greg laurie here. Personally inviting you to join us for what we call harvest at home. It's a bible study. It's a worship service. It's church in your home. Maybe you're not able to get out to your church right now. If so join us for harvest at home. People are listening in from around the world to listen to this. We have seen thousands of people make a commitment to follow. Christ so join us this weekend for harvest at home at harvest dot. Org today pastor. Greg is helping us realize the impact we can have and bringing a spiritual awakening to our culture and a revival to the church. Let's continue now. If you want to. Experience revival do revival like things. What did we do back in those days. We told you already. We had passionate heartfelt worship. We studied the word of god. We believe that. Jesus christ could come back at any moment and we shared our faith all the time. I would just say to you if you would just start doing those things open. Every day with the word of god study the word of god living believing that christ could come back at any moment and look for opportunities to tell others about jesus. You'll experience revival. 'cause as i said we overly mystify revival too as we do evangelism revival just means restoration to original condition and revival starts with you. It starts with me. So don't be worrying about everybody else. We need revival this church. Caesar revival unietd revival. I need revival start with you. Make sure that you're firing on all cylinders as a follower of christ. Make sure you're doing the things that god has called you to do. Let it begin with you. And so that was our heart and that's still needs to be our heart because this is not about what happened forty years ago. This is about something that god wants us to do. No matter what generation we're in and that includes this generation. So i don't care what some people say. Oh i'm uncomfortable. It won't work today. Nonsense the gospel will always work. It will always change human hearts and it's always the message. God wants us to give to every generation. Because jesus christ is the same yesterday today and forever so let me close by just extending an invitation to maybe somebody here who is not yet a christian. You know we're talking about talking to people like you. But maybe i'm actually talking to you right now. You're hearing these things for the first time. Let me just get to the bottom line. You don't why you have a big old hole in your heart. It's because you were created to know god world with all of our tech and all of our cool stuff hasn't filled the emptiness inside drugs sex and rock and roll didn't do it in the sixties high-tech and all the things that we have to offer today won't do it in this time and whatever we come up with and generations to come on do it either as long as the lord. Terry's the answer will always be. Jesus you're recreated to know got recreated to have a relationship with god i'm not talking about religion. I'm talking about knowing jesus in a personal way. That's what appealed to me. That's what i wanted. I wanted to relationship with god. Because i really didn't have a relationship with anybody to speak of up to that point. I didn't even know how to have a relationship with somewhat. But then along comes jesus and he comes into my life and i'd had so many promises given to me by adults and they broke those promises and they failed me over and over again and disappointed me in here comes jesus and he makes a bunch of promises to and he keeps every single promise. He's never failed me once. Ever promises are true. And he's kept them. And that's why i stand here talking to you about this today because this is my job. This is not my job. This is my passion. This is my life. He changed my life. And i want to see him change other and there might be somebody here right now or somebody watching or listening. That does not have this relationship with jesus. Christ you're center you've broken god's commandments. We all have you've crossed the line. You've fallen short of this standard. But here's the good news. Two thousand years ago. God sent his son. Jesus to die on the cross in your place any paid the price for all of your sin. Jesus christ came to pay a dead. He did auto. Because you owed a debt. You could not pay in three days later. He rose again from the dead at now he stands at the door of your life and he knocks and he says if you're curious voice and open the door he'll come in he can come into your life right now and fill that void that you can't fill in this modern world. This is what you've been looking for. You know my wife. She likes to put puzzles together. I have no idea why. I walked by a puzzle. I'm like whatever keep walking. Kathy will stop. Oh what are you crazy. She enjoys it while ago. She got a puzzle and she put the whole thing together and she called me. Greg what i miss. A piece of the puzzle of a last piece is missing. We're literally on our hands in these crawling around and we finally found it. She completed her puzzle. That's what life is like. You know we put all the pieces in place. Okay if i just you know if i get married and we have this many kids and we live here and i drive this and and this happens and then happens. I'll be happy. You get all the little pieces in place and you're all done. There's something missing something to someone. It's jesus god holds the missing piece a relationship with him but to receive it. We have to reach out. And say i want you lord of my life in a moment. We're going to pray. And i'm going to give you an opportunity to ask jesus christ to come and live in your heart as your savior and lord and you can know then that you'll go to heaven when you die you can find the meaning and purpose in life. You've been searching for for all of your life so if you need jesus right now if you want this relationship with. Him responded to imitation as we all pray. Let's all our heads father. Thank you for loving us. Thank you for sending jesus to die on the cross for us lord. Jesus thank you for coming in dying and rising again and thank you to hear right here right now knocking on the door. Many hearts i pray for folks. That don't know you i pray they'll come to you and believe we asked in. Jesus name amen pastor greg laurie with an important prayer. And if you wanna make a change today in your relationship with the lord pastor. Greg will help you do that before. Today's edition of a new beginning wraps up and he'll have a final comment from our study at the very end of our time. Together as we wrap up pastor. Greg series called jesus revolution. Maybe you've missed an installment or two along the way while you can hear studies again online at harvest dot org stream them while you're there or download an mp three for later again co to harvest dot org or for a permanent copy on cd call one eight hundred eight to one thirty three hundred. We're here to take your call anytime. Twenty four seven again at one. Eight hundred eight two one. Three three zero zero the title of today's messages the jesus revolution and evangelism. And then we're excited to make available pastor greg's book on the jesus movement the spiritual awakening of the sixties and seventies. The book is called jesus revolution and you know passer recently. I've been more interested in the great awakening of the eighteenth century. I recently learned that my relatives came to america about that time so really piqued my interest but that revival was one of four that have swept. His country isn't that right. Yeah that's right of most historians agree. There have been for great spiritual awakenings in the history of the united states. The first preceded our formation as a nation happened in the colonies Pre american revolution. George whitfield and evangelists from great britain came and preached on our shores and brought the gospel of thousands of people and many many people believed in it was a spiritual awakening and then america's formed in the aftermath of it. So you could say that. America a was born from a revival if we did not have that spiritual awakening. I seriously question if there could have been an america case. So now you've mentioned the second revival and I've heard that president lincoln when he was a younger man. made a commitment to follow christ during that great awakening. Then of course you. Fast forward to the fulton street revival in the new york city revival were a named jeremiah lanphier. A decided to start a per meeting was a very well attended than the stock market crashed and then it was very well. Attended and theaters and broadway were packed to the gills. Churches were packed. People were gathering every lunchtime in new york city and praying and thousands of people came to christ and then the last great awakening was the one that i've written a book about. It was called the jesus revolution the jesus movement. You know. it's a funny thing dave. In the day we call it. The jesus movement but time magazine dubbed it jesus revolution and the that's interesting because you know you hear a lot of talk these days about revolution. Our nation was born from a revolution but this was a spiritual revolution and actually liked the fact that it was called a jesus revolution. Because that's what it was. Not even christianity revolution or a religious revolution. It was a jesus revolution. It was about jesus. People were talking about jesus. People were coming to jesus and that is where our focus needs to be. We need another spiritual awakening. We need another jesus revolution so in my book on this topic I tell my story. There's a lot of historical backdrop given so you can understand what the culture was like. And i think as you read it you're going to say wow that parallels at times that we're living in right now riots in the street social upheaval racial division and more yes. It was all happening. But god stepped in thousands and thousands of young people came to christ. I might also add the jesus revolution and this is not common to every revival but the jesus revolution was a youth awakening. It's specifically started with younger. People other folks were impacted as well of all ages but it was primarily young people coming to christ and we look at our youth today all how they need a relationship with. Jesus christ how they need a touch of the holy spirit how they need their own. Jesus revolution so. I'm hoping that you'll order a copy of this book that i'll send you at no charge. I'll ask him return it. You send your gift of any size that will help us to continue to teach the word of god. We do and preach the gospel and call more people to christ by the way. Last year was almost spiritually fruitful year in the history of harvest ministries. Let's pray that twenty twenty one as our greatest year ever and that's going to happen if we all work together and pray together and it will happen if you will help us financially as well. I'm sure so in advance. Let me say thank you. And i'll look forward to sending new your own copy of jesus revolution. Yeah that's right. We a copy waiting for you here at a new beginning so we hope you'll contact us today. We'll be glad to drop it in the mail right away. Hey dave let me just interrupt for one moment. Don't forget to tell them that. There's a study guide that we prepared to go. Along with jesus revolution you'll be automatically sent with. The book can really help you and your spouse or you and your small group dive. More deeply into the insights in principles pastor greg shares in the book so take advantage of this extra help and again wilson both of these resources to thank you for your generous donation to help us continue this important work right us today at a new beginning box. Four thousand riverside california nine to five one four or you can call our twenty four hour phone number one eight hundred eight to one thirty three hundred. That's one eight hundred eight two one three three zero zero or go online to harvest dot org faster as you mentioned. You wanted to pray with those. Who want jesus to come into their life Can you help them take that next step right now. Yes i would be delighted to and you wanna make this commitment or re commitment to christ. I want you to pray right now. And if you mean this from your heart god will hear you. The bible says draw near to god in he'll draw near to you and that's a step you'll be taking now. Pray this after me god. I know that i'm center. And i'm sorry for my sin but i thank you for sending jesus christ your son to die on the cross and my place. Now i turn from my sin. And i choose to follow you this day. Forward as your disciple. Thank you for accepting me. Thank you for forgiving me. In jesus name i pray amen. Now if you prayed that prayer in minute from your heart god is heard you and he has forgiven you. We have some materials that we would like to send you at no charge. That will encourage you in this commitment. You've made to jesus christ. Yeah that's right. We call resource collection are new believers growth packet. It'll help you get started in walking each day with the lord so get in touch an ask for your free new believers growth packet. You can write a new beginning box. Four thousand riverside california nine to five one four or call us at one eight hundred eight to one thirty three hundred. That's a twenty four seven phone number so he can call right now. One eight hundred eighty two one. Three three zero zero or go online to harvest dot org and click. No god well next time. Pastor greg launches a new series tampa. See what's waiting for us in the hereafter. It's a series called the afterlife and the eternal join us next time here on a new beginning. But as we wrap up past greg series jesus revolution. He closes in prayer. So lord. we've heard your word. You've given us the great commission to go into all the world and preach the gospel making disciples of all nations baptizing them in the name of the father son and holy spirit. And you promised you're with us to the end of the age or not alot you've given us his power you've given us this authority and you've given us commission now. Lord help us to do it. You've told us in scripture we will receive power of the holy spirit has come upon us to be witnesses until you lord we need this power so phyllis with the power of the holy spirit and give us a boldness like we've never had before gives us a burden for people like we've never known before an open up opportunities and doors for us to engage people in conversations about jesus and lord we would be so bold apprai- it she'll give us the privilege of leading someone to you because you tell us in scripture. He win souls is wise. Lord we want to win souls use us in that way and then taking a new believer under our wing. We can help them. They can help us. And you'll send revival in our life. He tell us if we go out. So in our seeds in sorrow that will come back bringing our shaves with us rejoicing. Lord we want to rejoice as you use us for your glory so we commit ourselves to you and we ask you to go before us and we asked all of this in jesus name amen. 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Reconciliation, Part 2

Grace and Peace Radio

34:43 min | 9 months ago

Reconciliation, Part 2

"Last week we talked about reconciliation but then we said there are times when we human beings just won't reconcile despite your best efforts Unfortunately you just can't reconcile. We'll talk about that and more today on grace and peace radio. Welcome to grayson. Peace radio with your hosts anthony and amy russo grayson piece. Radio is a weekly podcast where together. We'll discuss how we can apply god's word to everyday life thanks for joining us for today's episode. It's our hope that you'll be encouraged in god will be glorified and with that. Let's start the show. Good afternoon good afternoon. How are you. I'm good good. Excellent well the day. We're recording good afternoon. Good afternoon reconciliation. Yes part did or dose for or does wore me. If you're doses all i know that's that's as far as we get in the foreign language department last week. We talked about reconciliation. We defined it as exchange in the greek. It really talks about exchange like a currency exchange where we are exchanging our disunity martin. Animosity for unity. Yes and and forgiveness and forgiveness and so we talked about how in the bible which speaks. It's all about reconciliation. The bible consigning aisling the world to himself And through christ. Also there's reconciliation enjoined commanded encouraged on a human level person to person. And how really the gospel. What the lord didn't our lives is the the inspiration for us to pursue reconciliation with others Inspiration and example And it delights. God when we do that is glorifies him. Honor sam So we talked about all that but then we said there are times when despite your best efforts unfortunately you just can't reconcile And we've seen it in churches that we've been a part of We've seen it in honestly. even marriage situations yes tragically. They did end up divorcing. That was right. I'm not making a statement about divorce. I'm just saying that's that's happened And there are times when we human beings just won't reconcile And we've even we'll talk about examples in the scriptures right. You know last week. We mentioned jacob and laban mother-in-law lebron. And i love had speech when jacob just goes postal. Yes he's finally fed up after. I don't know what twenty fourteen years this time right and he just he's had enough of it. You've changed my wages. Ten times cheated me this way cheaper that way and he just loses it on his on his father in law he up and and rightly so i mean. They're just come to the point where he's just fed up And it gets to a point where they set up the the stone between them This sort of contractual stone of remembrance right and they can't even agree on the name of it. Exactly jacob calls at another you you cross the stone you know regardless right. Stay on your side of the stone. Yeah yeah and so yeah. So that's why i always think of. Whenever i see that remember the word is mitzvah. I think jacob and really what i had a. I had a passer one time. Her preached on that tax. And really what he said was essentially what they were saying was listen you stinker trust you about as far as i can throw you and so this stone stands between us as a as a remembrance of what you said and what i said And kind of this finger-wagging kind of a thing. And so so. Yeah so it was really kind of funny because i remember growing up. I'm just gonna quick parenthetical thought here which is really a really intellectual wave saying rabbit trail hadn't thought of that but in the seventies anybody old enough to remember the seventies and early eighties. There were these little things called midst but oh necklaces and the whole thing. Was you know the boyfriend had his hands. Girlfriend had her half of the heart and hebrew. It's admits by oh it's something something biblical it means. You look over us while we were apart you know. Oh i forgot about those. Yeah so everybody's wearing these things without any context of really what it means. Don't cross this line dirty. i don't trust you. The lord watch over you and basically smart you down you cross me you dirty rat you cross me and i don't see it uses the bible for marketing. Yes and doesn't bother to look it up exactly so yes all all kidding. Aside are sadly there are times when reconciliations not possible so we want to talk about that today and try to give some some guidelines some guardrails about what to do in. That situation was god. Think about that. Yes and how can we move forward with that. So we gave some at least one example from the bible there with jacob and laban briefly. We mentioned paul and barnabus last week. And there's really not much about that in the scriptures pollen demons paul and be miss right when copper smith And john atrophies the false teacher so these are biblical examples. Last week i shared a couple of stories of when reconciliations possible And i thought this week maybe listeners would like to hear from you about stories you. Do you have a story when you could think of a time when reconciliation was not. Yeah the one that that came to mind was. I hadn't been a christian very long. And i decided to try to. I kind of lost touch with some a group of friends who i had been really close with. You know prior to my salvation. Anyway i decided to reach out to them and we weren't living really nearby at the time. So i know writing letters to them and just you know briefly new it. All this is just briefly. Explain my conversion and my hope and you were. I was with the lord and said i wanna stay in touch and i got nothing i i received not one response from any of those letters so it was just one of those things that i had to just finally let go like. You said you tried to reconcile which wasn't even any animosity now. Originally now not at all. It wasn't like classic reconciliation. They just didn't know quite what to do with me in my newer state. I guess sure but it's still a it was still a failed attempt at keeping my friendship going reconcile because obviously there had you. Being christian caused disunity Let's look at a couple of verses because one of the beautiful things about god's word is how much he counsels us. how much he lights our path. how much wisdom he gives us in the scriptures and how much he shows his heart his understanding of your life right. We're going to look at a couple of verses three verses real quick luke twelve fifty eight luke twelve fifty eight which is really similar to what matthew records in matthew five twenty five by in luke. Luke uses the word reconcile. So i wanted look at that one luke. Twelve fifty eight. The lord is saying as you are going with your adversary to the magistrate. Try hard to be reconciled to him on the way or he may drag you off to the judge and a judge. Turn you over to the officer and the officer throw you into prison. I tell you you will not get out until you've paid the last penny that one phrase in there i think is so important where the lord says. Try hard to be reconciled to him That should be. The christians default setting right there goto right and so we should always be in this. Default mindset of hard to be reconciled. That's what the lord expects us. That's what he commands and that should be. Our default setting doesn't mean you're going to be able to the lord doesn't say in this case that yes you're going to be able to reconcile but he says at least do your part right heart toward that end and we see that also in not just in what the lord says here in. How inspires paul to write. Do the church in rome. And you've got those verses. Yeah in romans chapter twelve verse eighteen and it says if it is possible as far as it depends on you live at peace with. Everyone and i really liked that one because here again. What is the lord inspire paul to do but put these clauses. These disclaimers in there bag again. Give guardrails to this whole thing. The lord set the expectation of reconciliation of of living at peace. But he understands that. It may not always. It's not always in our power to bring peace. And so paul says if it is possible Number one as far as it depends on you. Number lou live at peace with everyone right so sometimes we can. Sometimes we just can't right And then you have another one Just a couple of chapters over in romans fourteen right four teen verse. Nineteen let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification and there again let us therefore and of course therefore these. What was previously spoken up by. Paul in this chapter but let therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace into mutual edification so again the default setting is making every effort right with the understanding that it's not just us So we have a duty to try to reconcile. God expects us to live in peace. God expects us to reconcile if it is possible. If not we'll get to this also at the end we'll recap this but if not we're still called to love and pray for our enemies and so even if they still consider us enemies or they don't wanna be reconciled we can still pray for them all to and that's something that you really need to stop and think about. I really need to stop and think about because this is also command of god. You may be justly offended. You may have been severely wronged and send against but it is still our obligation to pray for those and really when we even pray for pray for their hearts to be softened premium. Gone to change them. Pray for even bless them right. You know the bible says the goodness of god leads to repentance so lord bless them bless them that they are so overwhelmed with the goodness of god they realize that they have been given much and that there's much that they you know to to repent of it that they would think of things in their life and times that they would say you know. I'm so undeserving. I'm reminded of this time when right and that. The goodness of god would lead to repentance. Let's talk about some times specifically when repentants is just not possible. There may be more if you have more feel free to email on his show at grayson peace radio dot com and let us know but a couple of ones i can think of or we were. We were talking about Amy what what's the. I wonder if the truth is going to be compromised again. We've mentioned this last week. We cannot reconcile with someone. If the truth of scripture and god's doctrines are going to be compromised in the process. We just can't do that right now. If someone for instance if someone says look that's great you've got your religion. I've got mine just i don't wanna hear it. Does that mean that. We can't reconcile with them. No right because then we respect that array is off limits for now absolutely. Just keep praying and we have some of those people in our lives. Now that they don't wanna hear about christ and it longer so you just keep praying for So that's one when truth will would be compromised. Another one is when sin would be enjoined when when senator and joined win. In order to achieve reconciliation you'd would be condoning or participating in some kind of sin right. And honestly i can't necessarily think of something off the top of my head. That's what i of something specific but but don't worry because the moment we stop recording this start editing it. I'll think of the perfect example. You're just going to have to trust me on this. That example is going to be amazed. It's always the most profound. It's gonna be stunned. The moment i publish this out we move on. And i'm going to think of an example. Yes why we can't reconcile because sin would be enjoined and trust me. Brilliant it will be bryant and it'll be one of your three. Am epiphanies yup. And i say that in all humility it will be brilliant as always my humble husband. I mean that very humble. I'll give you an example. We had a situation where there were elders at a church that were condoning in a very tacit sort of way critical race theory And some other aspects of that social justice stuff and we did the biblical thing. We discussed it with them. We we tried to present things biblically and prayed with them and laid it all out but reconciliation was just not possible and we believe that we both believe. This wasn't just you vowing me. It was not it was it was long painful discussions in a lot of murder And we met several times from with them and we just had it would be sin to continue to under this teaching You know under these this elder ship if you are going to tacitly embraces and not not address not address it and so we there wasn't reconciliation possible So that's that is one example where where sin would be joined so reconciliations possible when truth would be compromised scenery joined. What's another one. Amy when god would be blasphemed exactly again kind of similar to that. If there's a situation where the reconciliation would mean that. The god is somehow blasphemed in the process Obviously we can't do that So it it just can't happen other examples. Is the other person like we talked about earlier when the other person won't reconcile their now interested in at all They don't feel they've done something wrong. could be that they just don't remember right but it also could more likely mean they just don't want to And what's another example sometimes. Unfortunately we can't reconcile because the person is no longer with us. That is true. That is true so when you just can't reconcile the opportunity to reconcile is just it's too late They they have died. It might be something where you were the offender And you now realize that you you offended or you know you now realize you need to seek reconciliation but it's too late Finally willing to admit your guilt. Whatever the situation was and now you can't do anything about it Because now they've died. It might be that. They're still alive but they're unreachable. You have no idea where they are right and frankly it wouldn't be healthy though. Reconcile reconciliation is healthy. It wouldn't be healthy to say. Look them up on facebook and then that then that becomes an intrusion. That's that is not. I think in the spirit of god right i mean at some point. You just have to say now you can pray. You can pray lord. I feel like. I need to reconcile with this person. Please give me the opportunity if possible. Right if there's some way to make reconciliation possible Please let that happen right. I told the story in a very vague way last time about two people that i hadn't been reconciled with for almost fifteen years. Well during that time. I had been praying for reconciliation for years for years But it never. There was never an opportunity do it. In that case. I wasn't the one who offended right. So it wasn't so really there biblically. They should have come to me Whatever and i'm not one of the opportunity to have that door opened at as a possibility for discussion right and so and at that point at least one of them wanted no part right so it would have been a a an intrusion Right and so but again prayed prayed prayed now. I didn't pray every single day. I didn't you know. I'm sure there were times that during weeks or even months that i didn't pray but when they came to mind I prayed and well it was in your heart too. I mean it never never left your the desires of your heart dry. Speak and and i think this is also key. I had to be open to reconciliation I couldn't just say well. That person offended me. So you're dead to me As a christian. I had to be open and willing so that if the phone ever rang there would be reconciliation. Right or you know a at least the attempt at And by god's grace again long story short we did get reconciled so there are times that the person's just unreachable and that it doesn't it doesn't make sense or not it's not appropriate rather i shouldn't say it doesn't make sense. It's not appropriate to to reach out to them. Maybe they've you know maybe it's a divorce situation And now they're remarried. They've got their own life. This is years and years years later moved on. They moved on. Maybe they've shown no interest in reconciliation. They've never repented they've never whatever the case is it's the idea that it's it's in god's hands right period you're willing but yup the rest is is literally up to the lord asia up to him right so there are those times where that does happen in those cases. What do we do. I mean how how we think about that. When when it's the case of us having done the wrong you know we are the one who are the offenders. For in whatever capacity that is we can think of psalm fifty one and kipre it out loud and specifically against you and you only have i send For those view familiar or maybe not quite as familiar with the song. It's david recognizing his sin in his affair with bethsheba and his part in the death really ordering the murder of euro-area her husband and being called out on it by nathan the prophet and then this song is his repentance to lord for what he had done because he couldn't he also he couldn't reconcile with your riot. 'cause you're iowa's dead exactly exactly so but it's the it's the recognition on david's part that at the heart of it. The bottom line of it was that his sin was against god. I write so against you. And you only have i sinned right so when we think about this idea of reconciliation again our default position is like the lord. Jesus said we strive to to reconcile. We work hard to reconcile With the awareness that it's not always possible It may not be possible And in those situations we turn to the lord We leave it with the lord. Also you know this idea that we well lord you know and we keep praying and we leave it open. We leave ourselves open to reconciliation. And i think a key in that in leaving ourselves open reconciliation and praying for it for situations where we have been the one send against it can be very easy to wallow resentment and become bitter about the whole situation and really that bitterness ends up turning toward god. Frankly it just. And i say this. Because i've done it. It may not be possible for reconciliation and that is of the lord. The lord was pleased to as i've been saying for some one field george whitfield. Lord was pleased to whatever because lord sovereign right and if if the lord does not choose to allow that reconciliation. We have to trust the lord and we have to lean into him on that and we have to let it go and it's not easy but we have to let it go right and again god that it may not be possible So having said all that we go back and what we said earlier you can still obey the spirit of the command right because that's really. That's that's the whole point of the christian life is to to love the lord. How do we show that. We love the lord by obeying his commands. That's the lord said so we can take comfort in god's statements in the scriptures that he understands and then also we can still obey the spirit of the command and that's the lower case s the spirit of the command by repenting to god if need be and then praying for for that person those those persons again. It's still possible if already not. They're not dead right and whether you see them in this life again or not whether you can get the opportunity to talk to them or not you can do that and then i know in my own life. There have been people that i have done that for for years and years and years and years and prayed for them and then eventually the lord gives me a release. I don't know how to say it. But he just says okay. You don't have to pray about them anymore. Really okay and you know. Can i quote you chapter and verse right now. I get it. But and i'm not saying i. God spoke to me audibly or anything like that but it was just one of those things. Where if that person came to mind and i was. I was praying for them. There was just this sense that okay you've done enough of that Move on and and i so sense of peace a sense of peace. You know that you i tried. I genuinely tried. I've tried for years. I prayed for them for years whenever they come to mind. Whatever and at this point time to move on not wash your hands of it way. Is that god gives you the freedom to not be bound by that person by that experience by you know that that event again. I can't quote chapter and verse on that and i think it really is just a matter of trying to obey the lord. Yes and so with that. Let's look at one more passage. Let's go back to the lord's words in the sermon on the mount. I remember this even from no again. If you're not familiar with with my testimony. I was a nominal christian for about twenty years. I was raised catholic till about thirteen walked in prayed. A prayer did the quote jesus into my heart and and for twenty years. I was just a nominal christian. I was all over the map i was. I was a mess. I mean looking back. I was a mess and i really wasn't saved. I so during that time i got married got divorced so unbearable there was no no biblical justification for it and so anyway thank. Thank the lord. Aubrey have kids. That wasn't an issue. But even in that time even though i was a nominal christian not really what i would say. I wasn't genuinely born again. I didn't really have any evidence of sanctification even though well i don't get into the whole thing just because i don't need to right now but i remember this passage i remember thinking about the fact that if i can't love this person as my spouse i have to love them as a sister in christ and if she's not hitting a sister in christ i have to love her as a neighbor and if she's not even being neighborly right towards me then i have to love her like a lost person. And if i can't even has lost person then. I have to love her as an enemy. So no matter how you look at it. No matter how. I looked at the situation. I'd always came back to. I have to love this person. Now again how you show that love how you love. That person is different at each of those levels. Absolutely but the point is when i read this i remember thinking through that Though steps of relationship those levels of relationship And thinking how do i love this person. Well at this point. I have to love her as an enemy. I'm still called to love her. So so let's look at this matthew five missile be kind of our final putting an altogether when reconciliation is not possible. Starting verse forty three. You have heard that it was said. Love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But i tell you love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you that you may be sons of your father in heaven. He causes the son his son. To rise on the evil and the good and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you what reward will you get are not even the tax collectors doing that and if you read only your brothers what are you doing more than others. Do not even pagans do that. Be perfect therefore as your heavenly father is perfect man. Well we hope that has been helpful to you. Look at reconciliation and we've really addressed even the heart issue of what do you do. You can't reconcile. Hopefully that's an encouragement to you over that gives you some comfort. And if you have any thoughts email us show at grayson piece. Radio dot com. If there's anything we missed Let us know any feedback or whatever we love to hear from you if this has been helpful. Would you do us a favor. Would you consider sharing it on your social media. S spillovers about the show about reconciliation. Who knows maybe there's somebody in your life that this is the that's coming to mind. You think wow. I wish showed here this And again god forbid it's not that not that we're in an ingrate. No it has everything to do with. We've gone through this in various capacities and we've had many discussions with so we're just trying to share what we've seen in scripture and what the lord has shared with us that's exactly to share what what we've seen in scripture. So hopefully the lord uses it to him be the glory in all absolutely and blitz ended on that note at san god be the glory to god. Be the glory or god. Bless you talk to you next time. take care. well that's our show for did. I hope you'll join us next time. We spend time in. God's word looking at how we can grow our knowledge of our love for him and our service to if you've enjoyed we per visit us at greece and peace radio dot com or on facebook at facebook dot com forward slash recent peace radio until next time i'm your host anthony russo and jesus changed my life

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Shout For Joy to the Lord

National Prayer Chapel, Pilgrim's Progress

53:38 min | 11 months ago

Shout For Joy to the Lord

"The following program is sponsored by the national prayer. Chambolle a Me oh god and renew within his music holy spirit from a restore to short renew arrives within you wrong and renewable rise within we need to address holy spirit george and rights we thinking who have a stew Hold absurd speed Shout for joy to the lord. All the earth worship the lord with gladness. Come come before him. With joyful songs know that the lord is god it is he who made us and we are his. We are his people. The sheep of his pasture enter his gates with thanksgiving and his courts with praise. Give thanks to him and praise his name for the lord is good. And his love endures forever. His faithfulness continues through generations. Some one hundred happy thanksgiving my favorite holiday a time together together with people we love and say. I'm so grateful to god for you. I want to say today. I'm so grateful for each of you. Who listens who supports this broadcast. Thank you. I'm so grateful but what i'm most grateful for his my lord. Jesus he reached down to the bottom of the barrel. He grabbed me and he lifted me up at that and he's been molding me with with his hands on the clay. He's the potter. I'm so grateful for all that he's done in me and for me by faith making me righteous turning me away from every wickedness. What glorious truth. I just praise shout with praise to the lord my god to jesus. He's awesome is wonderful. I can't keep quiet today. But i'm going to share this time with you. We're doing a call in today. Just celebrate thanksgiving. And you're welcome to call. And what i'd like you to do is share. What god has done for you this year and why you're grateful take a few minutes and tell us. What are you grateful for today. And what will you be sharing tomorrow with people you love. Today is radio thanksgiving so welcome. I'm pastor ray greenlee and i'm asking you to call in and share what you're grateful for your also. Welcome to call in and pray. A prayer of thanksgiving prayer of petition of prayer of repentance. Praise the holy spirit. Calls you to pray so you're welcome to call right now. Our phone number is eight. Seven seven five three four zero seven eight zero. The live chat is up for those of you who are on youtube. I love to hear from you on that chat. Line so where you call. Will you shout for joy. Shout for joy to the lord of all the earth. Are you excited. Like i am about jesus and what he's done for us. Oh i know. America is in a terrible mess. Darkness is crowding in on every side. One pastor said to me yesterday. I'm tired of complaining. And i'm tired of the complainers. I am only going to praise. Jesus and look up as i walk through this with my congregation. I'm in the same place. I'm not going to complain about what's happening. I'm going to praise his name. I'm going to worship jesus. He has all under control. Nothing has surprised him. So will you call and share what you're grateful for our producer brother drew. Is there right. Now he's waiting for your call. Let's not waste any time. I want to get every person. I can in to share today. What you're grateful for and to invite you to pray you can do both the call now. Eight seven seven five three four zero seven eight zero. That's eight seven seven five three four zero seven eight zero were broadcasting live on wave seven eighty am and also on youtube at national per chapel dot com or youtube. Ray greenlee. i'd like to hear from you. The lines are open. What would you like to share that. You're grateful for what has jesus done for you. Now if you look over here on this side you see. The shelves are all empty books. I have almost everything in my in my book. I've almost all packed. I'm having to move but you know what that's not. Dampening me in the least. I don't know yet where i'm moving. I have to be out by the end of december. I'm just standing by faith. Jesus has a house for me. And he's going to bring it to me he's gonna bring me the house he's going to show me. This is the house. I want you to live in ray so i'm not going to walk in fear this afternoon. I have several friends that are coming to help pack a next week a couple more friends are gonna come help pack. I'm so grateful for god's children for the love of the brothers and sisters to be able to reach out and help each other. So what are you grateful for today. I'd like to hear from you. Would you share what you're grateful for. Lord i just come to thank you today. i can't thank you enough. My heart is full of praise and worship and thanksgiving for you are the king of kings and lord of lords and lord. America is in an awful situation. Darkness has crowded in upon us. Every vile thing is being done. The news is full of bad news. Lord you're in charge and you will determine the outcome of the election and you will determine the course of this nation but oh my lord i ask that your church would be awakened. I asked that your church would determine to get right with you to put away the sin and the darkness to put away the rebellion to put away the casual indifference to your word. Lord i ask that you would bring deep conviction to your people. Many lord will look this. Thanksgiving day is a day to feast to be gluttons and to watch the television lord. I ask that you would forgive them. I ask that you would turn the heart of your people today to yourself that you would prepare us to enter into a day of honest thanksgiving and praise and worship almighty king. We need you. We desperately need. You flew this passage just grabs my my heart. Praise the lord. Oh my soul all my in most being praised his holy name. Praise the lord. Oh my soul and forget not all his benefits who forgives all your sins and heals all of your diseases. Who redeems your life from the pit and crowned you with love and compassion. Who satisfied your desires with good things. So that your youth is renewed like the eagle's the lord works righteousness and justice for all the oppressed. He made known his ways to moses his deeds to the people of israel. The lord is compassionate. And he's gracious. He slow to anger abounding in love. He will not always accuse nor will he harbor his anger forever. He does not treat us as our sins deserve or repay us according to our iniquities for as high as the heavens are above the earth. So great is his love with those who fear him. As far as the east is from the west so far has he removed our transgressions from us as a father has compassion on his children. So the lord has compassion on those who fear him for he knows how we are formed. He remembers that. We're dust whole. God loves you. We have a caller welcome. Yes but would you like to share share. My giving came meeting this country. Know out of child i thank him for the housekeeping to me. I'm right shoulder. i thank him for all. The blessings showed me with him clean. I don't know how good i can. Trade someone to play with me me on station with you would you. Do you wanna give us your number. Yes who to am. Sorry let me get my serve as a limited edition. Ten in number is two zero. Seven five two four eight five five. And what is your name. My name is l. Freedom freedom frieda. Okay i'll i'll ask someone to please call right now and pray with you. Would that be. Okay thank god bless you dear sister fairlie see this country. Get better with you lord. I'm gonna lift up before you're thrown right now lord. She has a joyful heart and you in spite of the hardship. She's going through lord. She knows that you are the master of her life. She knows that you are the king of kings and lord of lords and you brought her to this nation to be free lord. I ask for your blessing for alfred today. Would you be enough for her. Would you encourage her heart. Would you poor strength into her frame. Lord would you lift her up today and around her with your love in. Jesus name amen. The homeless. don't start very ill. Does that nursing homes. Don't get this to be a family. All my god touched this moment. Trenton and help them to understand. I pray for this country your car. Clean cam my thank. You thank you all right bye. Thank you a free to. If you would like to call a freda. I'm gonna give you the number if you would call and just pray with her speak words of encouragement in jesus. She is a dear sister in jesus. It's operator and her phone number. Two four zero seven five two four eight five five. I'll give you that number again. Two four zero seven two five. I'm sorry seven five. Two four eight five five two four zero seven five two four eight five five. Her name is l. freda. She'd like someone to call them. Pray with her and join her and pray okay. Our number here at the studio is eight. Seven seven five three four zero seven eight zero. Where are all of our listeners. Today are you out making preparations for thanksgiving. We have a very small number on our youtube channel. I'm wondering where are all of our wonderful friends and on the radio. You're welcome to call right now. Today is open mic today of thanksgiving and praise to jesus. It's the day when we when we shout for praise shout for joy to the lord where we worship the lord with gladness and we come before him with joyful songs. That's how i'm coming today. It doesn't matter what the circumstances are. It matters who our lord jesus is doesn't matter whether were well are sick. We know who are healer is. It's jesus lord. I just i come to ask lord for those who are sick today. Who are in pain. I ask that you would right now. Reach out your hand and touch them and lift them up and encourage their hearts that they could begin to rejoice in the midst of their pain in the midst of their suffering. Lord would you lift them up into the heavenly peace would you put the joy of the lord in their hearts lord you for no you care for us. I know i've watched over the last days as you have poured out your blessings on my life how you have picked me up and carried me in a time when it's impossible for me to carry myself how you picked this radio broadcast up and you carry it in your heart. Lord thank you lord. Thank you. I come to praise you today into worship you cheese. Glory glory glory glory to the name of jesus eight seven seven five three four zero seven eight zero. Were were waiting on you. Where are my brothers and sisters. Would you call. And would you praise jesus with me. Eight seven seven five three four zero seven eight zero. The time is quickly going by you know. I know it's hard to call on a radio broadcast. You get tense and scared and but we're just talking to each other so you're welcome to call him. Pray or you're welcome to call and share. What jesus has done and what you're going to do for thanksgiving. What are your thanksgiving plans. How will you spend that day. What would you like to say. I'm very grateful for the opportunity to come to you day by day. Do you know what a privilege that is for me to serve. Jesus in that way on the internet and on the radio amazing amazing. Well we're waiting on you. Say where are you. Do you know where are you. Aren't you thankful today for what jesus has done for you. Shall i call on some others as well brother tom. Aren't you grateful for what jesus has done. And if you're not in the state of. Virginia it's okay it's okay some of you were in alaska. Some of you are in other parts of united states. California washington call you. Welcome to call now. Eight seven seven five three four zero seven. Eight zero welcome. What would you like to share. Hello hello how are you. i'm good. I wondered where you were. Thank god sorry for the delay started late but yes we are super super same full on super bless for being in this country s lor laur we come to you you you know everything you search everything in our hearts we are more self before you press and slower and you know father that we have been living off of our lives very hostile countries that for your grace we have come to know many countries around the world and we have come to the united states of america or and we have been living in such a great nation like none before in human history. We thank your for such blessings. We thank you for such abundance within cure because we look back like lot's wife but we look back like your people in israel when you tell them. Tell your son and your son's son some all generations. They way i deliver you from from slavery in egypt. Dust the way you know. That's the way we look back just to give you things and give you praise is that you have bring us to this country. We didn't even know about the history heritage that they're working in your eyesight of this country. When we first came to america. We just knew that this was the line of the freedom and you granted us the possibility of life hearing this nation by now lower. We have come to know. How is it possible that you have blessed this country. The much lower by lower will live this prayer to you. Presence that the people in this national they have completely forgot what the past look like they. They had taken for granted all the blessings you have given us today. In this nation they are even comparing the nation. These blessed nation to all nations that nation on the sky in any time in human history has nothing on united states of america Today lower. go we ask you that. They would come to realize especially those warning. The riott varieties those or looting or destroying law. If you have some of them in that messed that you are to call for repentance. Slow we ask you lord do it store. Yes because we see that any moment you will come with judgement over the landlord and many law which suffer for the disobedience of those we ask you lord that you will make their hearts wanting to know what these foreign air is speaking about and they will search and they will really from the bottom of the har- really compare the blessings of any countries compared to the united states of america and they will see while we have seen and we have lift lore does though nation lore we come even near to this nation that the freedoms we have the blessings. We have abundance. We have only you decide to give them away. And you have that even given them to the to your people east royal but to us lore that we have become ambassadors. We have become the messengers of the gospel of jesus christ who nations in the world by now we are mocking modder of the war because of such rebellious severely superficial people that we have in our country these days but they are exporting weakness on all kinds of corruption door. We ask you lord you will come to the hearts you would send your holy spirit power or yes you would come to the hearts of those who do you have your eyes on for discipline and you will let them know. They kind of blessing. They have received for low. I know communism. I know dictator. I know what he's to live live in that kind of beverage systems for low. Please make things see made. They look around with open eyes and open hearts so they will really see what you have poor over this nation roar. Yes that they know their place on the sky. In any time of humankind name. The heart received the much we had received united states. Or laura i ask you that you will bring this message to the people that were born. Speaking english in this country. I am a foreigner. I would like to beat the last in the line. I would like to be the one that wanted to call to prey on. How no time to so. Please bring your people. They once were born and really appreciate. I know about the place. Is you have given them. Since they were born in this country that they didn't have to leave labeyrie immediate serie lack of freedom and lack of everything law that they can call things. They won in their life. I'm pray and read the bible things that i couldn't do when i was a little kid. You even being a your mining couldn't do such things i asked. Lord they will take hall of the prince you have given them or that they would not take it for granted lower. Yes nor i thank you these day for such blessings you have given me my family just in case lord. They don't hear the message here. We are here. We are learning to speak english us. We praise your during. Jesus name i ask you to receive this thankful. Pray law thing. Amy man sorry for being late today on or you're right on time. God bless you brother for even us diesel opportunity. God bless you brother you welcome. We'll talk soon. Our phone number's eight seven. Seven five three four zero seven eight zero. The line is open. You're welcome to call and share your thanksgiving praise to pray to share what you're going to do tomorrow on thanksgiving day. This is thanksgiving on radio. Praise the lord. Praise god in sanctuary. Praise him and his mighty heavens presume fours acts of power praise him for his surpassing greatness. Praise him with the sound of the trumpet. Praise him with the harp and the lyre praise him with timbering and dancing presume with strings and flute. Praise him with the clash of cymbals. Praise him with resounding symbols. Let everything that has breath. Praise the lord. Praise the lord. My brother my sister. It's time to praise the lord. It's time to acknowledge what he has done for us. It's time to turn away from all evil all wickedness. It's time to cry out to the lord. I in gratitude and thankful and thanksgiving but then also petition that he will come in. Heal our land that he will bring conviction of sin that he will expose corruption that he will give the church a backbone and that many will come to know our lord jesus for whom we are so grateful and so thankful for his mercy and his grace. We need jesus to come and open the eyes of those who call themselves. Christians a mighty. God i praise you today. I worship you. You've been so kind to me. You've carried me and i know you'll carry me all the way through and i rest in you. Jesus i fear no evil for thou with me i wrote and i staff they comfort me now prepares table in the presence of mine enemies. Olarte at you. I asked for the moving of your holy spirit over this nation. I asked for the moving power to bring conviction of sin. This casualness has to be broken. There has to be an awakening in your church. Lord church is not a cultural deal lord. It's real worship of the king of kings and the lord of lords is being accountable. You for our sin confessing it and asking humbly if you would cover it over and wash it away and make us whole toward. I come for washington. Dc this metro area. I come for the other parts of the world where people are listening. And i plead your mercy today. I plead oh god for a great awakening. Lord i pray now that we can prepare for next year's thanksgiving celebration and that next year there will be of remembrance of great breakout of your holy spirit in america and a revival and awakening a turning from darkness and sin pray we can look back and say yes our lord did it lord. I know that will be the case. So i'm already preparing my heart for next year. The this year. I could live in absolute praise in gratitude. Honoring your name. Jesus lord america will die if you do not come and bring another great awakening as you did. Under george whitfield john wesley. Laura pray for that great awakening now. I stand by faith that you will do it. Thank you lord. We have another caller. Yes welcome right dc. gino. I'll be paying spanish. Okay thank you thank you thank you sorry about being late. You're right on time your brother right on time. Gotta think about thinking. Gosh party to vote on the muffin. Senior can be read on sequencing young. They're like what if we move things. So that's one more thought. I see what about know. Put down new home talk on mental hundred degrees in senior own seeing the komo beleaguer mantis in your delivery to get senior and i just saw the same god. The us in the name notion symbol. Dan dossena okay. See think thing. I'm going to new ideas. Cloudy to we used to be slave. You know we're learn now. We are free mine. Thank you will thank you for everything you indo. We were not here in different nations days. The most blessed contain the war. We think you're boy single day. My family got me for everything. Things that law we us american frequently. Forget the blessings we have the nobody has industries the will but in my family specifically we were so so very poor or for country of cuba that it would be possible for us to forget where we coming from We used to suffer. Thank you for this day. We thank you thank you. Thank you for everything. Thank you for the food. Thank you for the freedom. Thank you for the paternity to pray. Thank you for price. Thank you for this. Country founded on christ. Thank you for the unity. To be called a christian. I used to be an adulterer now. Have increased in. We thank god forever. Everything yes we. Thank god for the tune into to suffer. We thank god for to pray. We thank god for the ministry that he finally live. We think that put the tune digital christ through our broader rain. Wayne each should be the way they church wanted to be today. Thank you thank you same for everything in jesus cry. We pray amen. Thank you brother. God bless you bless you birth. We have time for at least one more call. Eight seven seven five three four zero seven eight zero. We're celebrating thanksgiving today with your testimonies and with your prayers. You're welcome to call eight seven seven five three four zero seven zero and share your gratitude for jesus and what he's done. Blessed are those who strength is in you who set their hearts on pilgrimage as they pass through the valley of baca they make it a place of springs. Barca means weeping as they pass through the valley of weeping. They make it a place of springs they go from strength to strength till each appears before god and zion hear my prayer lord. God almighty listened to me. Oh god of jacob look upon our shield. God look with favor on your anointed. One better is one day in your courts than a thousand elsewhere. I would rather be a door keeper in the house of my god than dwell in the tents of the wicked for the lord. God is a son and a shield. The lord bestows favor and honor no good thing to see withhold from those. Whose walk is blameless. Lord almighty blessed is the man who trusts in you trust in the lord today with all my heart. I trust in the lord and celebrate thanksgiving with shouts of joy before the lord god of heaven for he has redeemed my life. He has set my feet on solid ground. My life is not filled with empty foolishness. My life is not filled with the wickedness of the world. Jesus has drawn me out and he will draw you out to and give you shouts of joy if you will humble your heart before him and repent and seek his face he will fill your heart with joy and peace because he is a god of majestic love. You're welcome to call eight seven seven five. Three four zero seven zero. What would you like to share today. That would encourage the hearts of others. And i'm going to give this name and phone number again. Alfreda has asked that some of you call her on the telephone and speak with her and pray with her about jesus. She is a very serious and committed christian. She knows what suffering is. She's grown up in the fire. Let me give you her number. Two four zero seven five two four eight five five two four zero seven five two four eight five five. She's asked if someone a christian from our listening audience would call and just share with her and pray with her. How do we even begin to talk about the wonderful blessings of jesus. How do we even talk about my heart. So full and tomorrow's going to be a wonderful wonderful day of praise and worship and service to jesus. It's not going to be for me a day of dissipation in front of the television. Set if you do that tomorrow you will cheat yourself out of the blessing of the presence of god in your life. And you will. Sin against the lord almighty. Don't go there. Don't escape into the world. The flesh and the devil. Seek the face of jesus tomorrow. Praise him in on him and his name. We have a caller welcome. But would you like to share high. And i just wanna say. I'm thankful that god uses everything. Good like grandma does he is conforming us to image and nothing can separate us from his love and we have the hope of heaven and for everybody who's Lonely or going through Difficult circumstances. I i like to remind them of that that He is always with us in using everything. For good and Pre-thanksgiving i want to pre scott especially with music because the bible says to come into his presence with singing in some one hundred and describe to celebrate family so I would also like to pray for america. Please pray okay. Father i pray for our nation at base. You'd have mercy on a that. You would turn turn the wickedness around that you turn to. Righteousness the this thanksgiving but people's hearts be turned toward you. Yes you want people to worship in spirit and in truth i ask that you would move people to genuine Genuine thanksgiving toward. You helped him to realist. Everything that has comes from you and that spiritually they can only find satisfaction through. You wanna increase for repentance. Pray that you would lead. Many people to fill dacian as believe. This is a critical time for our country. And pretty for your will in the election and everything else going on. Jesus name amen. Amen god bless you your sister thank you think. Well we're just about out of time today. Our congregation was very small. People are out shopping for groceries and getting ready for tomorrow. I pray tomorrow is a day of gratitude and thanksgiving and holiness. Don't go into the wine bottle and don't go into the dissipation. don't go into the the games. Don't go shopping. Spend that time with jesus with people you love spend that time focusing on our lord and what he's done for you and what he's done for america this is yet the land of the free the land of the brave. Let that consume. You tomorrow. don't waste the day it's been given to you as a gift. The government is closed. most places will be closed. Rejoice tomorrow in the time you have with your precious ones and take time to read the scriptures to pray to listen to music to wait before the lord and you will hear your cry. Well you've been listening to pilgrim's progress. Today was thanksgiving. I'm happy you listened. I pray you were encouraged. And i pray your as joyful in your heart as i am in mind you can write to me at the national prayer chapel post office box. Twenty three forty six woodbridge virginia. Two two one nine five again. That address is the national prayer chapel post office box. Twenty three forty six woodbridge virginia. Two two one nine five. You're also welcome to go to our webpage. National prayer chapel dot com national prayer chapel dot com. Click on the button at the upper right hand corner and you can donate online and also would you subscribe to our channel the more subscriptions we have the further. Google will spread and let people know. We're here so would you. Would you click that on my brothers and sisters know that. Jesus loves you want to. Jesus is your healer. He is your rescuer. No circumstances are too difficult for him. Repent and believe repent believe in obey. And the piece of jesus will be in your heart. God bless you my brother. My sister i love you. I'd like very much to meet you. I'm praying for a time. And place when i can open and say please everybody come. I'd like to meet you. God bless you. We'll talk soon.

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