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Ep 352 - The Time Machine, by H.G. Wells

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Ep 352 - The Time Machine, by H.G. Wells

"This is a head gum podcast. While engine Craig believe, the joy of discovery is crucial to enjoying any well told tale they will not shy away from spoiling specific story beats when necessary. Plus these are books you should have read by now. Hey, everybody. Welcome to overdo. It's a podcast about the books. You've been meaning to read. My name is Craig my name's Andrew, and we got a get into it today. Real fast fast double time because it's game of thrones day y'all it is game. Thrones as back the international hit TV show. I saw some staff that it has been five hundred ninety five days since the most recent episode of game of thrones. I don't understand how as possible I don't either. Which the and it's funny that we're talking about the nature of time because this week for the book podcast that we do where one of us reads a book that we've never had before. And then tells the other person about it is about the time machine by h g wells. It is funny because I also think that if we had a time machine, perhaps we'd be talking about middle March, which we had hoped to talk about this. We did change it. Yeah. We haven't done a schedule change like that. I don't while. But I just I we're doing twilight I miss counted. The number of pages that there were in middle March read, and so it just didn't happen. So that's going back into early Jew may early early. Just fine. Because people the overwhelming response online was great now more time for me, the listener to read it. So that I can have opinions about your opinions, which is honestly why we do the show. So my short synopsis, if you're hoping for a hit a middle March this week, my short synopsis, so far is that nothing has happened. But some people are getting burned great pretty bad by George Eliot. Not by dryer Anders site Jordan now by dragons or by morlocks. Oh, dang like in the time machine. So crazy, I ask you the question is on everybody's mind. What's h g sand for h H G H G wells, the author of the time machine. Stands for Herbert George wells now as a kid. He was called birdie. Not like birdie, you know, like Burti. So I think we can call him birdie as much as we want to thirty well, thirty wells, and we have talked about him hundreds of episodes ago, we covered worth worlds and our made in the before time Seaney time machine for that too. Hey, but that was probably before we did even half of what we do for the show now. So I will tell you that birdie was born in eighteen sixty six and he passed away nineteen forty six he's considered one of the fathers of science fiction alongside Jules Verne and a couple other people from the nineteenth century. He the mothers of science fiction are still just men who are allowed to invent thing mostly fathers. I think actually Mary Shelley Mary Shelley might be a pretty good example for a mother of science fiction because she wrote Frankenstein, and that's that's a pretty you could lump that in there with what we might recite. We'll you might call a scientific romance. Which is actually what we called the John row for several decades in the nineteenth century. Really? Yes. The have anything to do with romance novels being seen as I don't know less significant or am I just making some though, I think it's more akin to the way we use romance for like Shakespeare? Peer like, it's like a kind of its fanciful it the whole idea of a scientific romances that you are taking like a sin a single fantastic idea. And then like putting it in the real world that was like Wells' whole deal. Is you take this like one insight about what if this was different? And then like everything else is kind of realistic, my scientific romances, my favorite bands there. It is joke. That's what it is the jokes. Are they are on the warped tour this year, they're going to be at Coachella? I just I've seen photos a Chela on and music festivals. Just look so dirty out of you live anyone in a tent like that for so long. Anyway, I don't wanna be that dirty. So when birdie was a kid, he broke his leg. Like most of us do when we're kids we suffer injuries, and he spent his recovery time reading, which is I think biographers credit to his career as a writer. His and Paul Newman also get into acting because he used to play football broke, his leg or something. How many broken legs have diverted? How many different couriers that's interesting because birdies dad was a professional cricket here or cricketer. I'm not sure what you call it cricketeres and he suffered a leg injury. And then had to like exclusively a shopkeeper and his earnings were insufficient. So birdie went into apprenticeship with like a drapery, and then he was a chemist assistant, and he started working as a teacher got a scholarship to the normal school of science. Where he joined debating society which introduced him to kind of social reforms through things like the Fabian society where a lot of kind of modern ideas of socialism came from. And he started writing after that he was teaching and writing and magazines journals where he would eventually publish the things that became the time machine which was his first book in eighteen ninety five. And it was the short story that got published in that paper was published in eighteen eighty eight is called the chronic Argonauts, which is not as good of a name, not at all. But yet it too was concerned with a man who invented time, traveling then went and travelled through time. There was a story in America. I think called the clock that went backward. That was published in eighteen eighty one which is some sort of like magical clock that rewind time or something. But people have kind of still credited H G wells with the like scifi version of time travel. The clock backwards is not a great name for thing. Like time travel fiction has been around but up until then it was mostly like people fall asleep for long periods of time or they go and van winkle. Yeah. I mean, there's stuff all the way back in like in the Mahabharata and Japanese folktales where people go to other worlds like heaven or whatever and then come back and like hundreds of years have passed. So. We have we have wells to thank for the idea of like, you could build a machine and travel through time, which I think the the actual phrase time sheen to refer to a time traveling machine is his I'm well, okay. Other notes about him. He as my understanding from the research that I've okay, I believe he was married twice once to his cousin Isabel for few years. And then I think he was married to a former student of his for several years. That's better. That was wondering what could be legal but worse than cousin Karang. Former student is. And then his wife second wife Jane passed away and both before and after her passing he had affairs with numerous women after that. I don't think he married a third time. And yeah, this was his this style of scientific romance was like his deal had a rule about that. We talked about before where he would put in kind of what he called prosaic detail, but also have kind of rigorous adherence to whatever his scientific hypothesis was. Yeah, there is some. I think it's tempting to be rooted in science, but it's also rooted in the sides of eighteen ninety five and so he has his theory about the solar system says planets must ultimately fall back one by one into the parent body as these catastrophes occur. The sun will blaze with renewed energy. And it may be that some inner planet had suffered this fate. So his hypothesis being that planet spa around the sun and fall into it, thus providing more sun, kindle, keeping this. Also a museum where he sees the scale of Brontosaurus. Well, okay. I mean, we let's not get. I don't think we have time in an our guest whole thing about brought to this to say is that he was, you know, in addition to being a chemist system he was trained in biology does at a time when like Darwinism is new end informing a lot of scientific thought. So I think that informs most of his writing at least as early writing he was Andrew I found he was a game designer did, you know, we'll use a gamer. He wrote G H G well since for gamer gaming wills. They called him wrote the rules for tabletop wargame called little wars, which he created in nineteen thirteen. It's full title is little wars a game for boys from twelve to twelve years of age to one hundred fifty and for that. More intelligent sort of girl who likes boys games and books. She was buddy. That's a little war. You can go online. It's like there's PDF's of it. He basically thought it was better than real war because you could just play it at home. We're safe war. The home game is like how does it relate to a risk or diplomacy? It is similar to actually I don't think it has a random chance the way that risk. Does you do like set up, you know, miniature men on an established battlefield the one ran the smarter kinds of women? I assume yes, sure. Sure. Sure. I you do set up like a curtain in between your two forces. So your opponent. Can't like see what you're putting down right and log of war. And then he he has like a toy cannon that fires like sticks that knocks over men as like your primary mode of attack the thing. I thought that was neat was like the latter. Part of the rule book is him just describing sweet game. He played like it's just him publishing a blog of one fun play session that he had believed that he's eerie gamer is the birdie gamer wells, the original gamer the Pudi pie of his. So that's that's h he invent he plays games. And he's kind of sexist about it feels like it's modern youtuber culture. Youtuber? Maybe he time traveled forward and invented YouTube. That would be that'd be. Sorry birdie, do Andrew I have some other thoughts on time travel. But I kinda wanna hear about the book. I so wanted why don't we take quick break? And then we'll get to the book. Can't believe it's been sec. It's been whole seconds. We travel forward in time several seconds. And we're here to make websites until you how Craig how do I make a website? Well, you're in the future. Should check out. Our sponsor this week squarespace. They are here. They're a website. That will help you make websites. You can turn your cool idea. 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And when you're ready to launch us the offer code overdue to save ten percent off your first purchase of a website, or domain squarespace. Think it dream it. Make it squarespace. Time travel. What about it? Let's talk about. I was kind of surprised in this book when he's talking so so it's formatted as sort of frame narrative where this man who's only referred to as the time traveller is having a dinner party with his friends who also all are named by what they are. Okay. Like, the the provincial mayor and editor. And I think there's a doctor up in there too. He's telling these guests at a dinner party is being narrated by some other person who don't know the name of. But he's telling us all about time travel and how there's four dimensions. Okay. There is there's you know, length there's breath there's thickness and there's duration. I don't like the words for the four dimension there, the three planes of space, and then the plane of time sure I understand that concept and even talks about how humanity is more free to move about in other plane than some than others. But you know, we can devise contraptions that will help us travel more easily in the dimensions that we can't travel in ourselves. So why not build some sort of time machine to help us get through times the same way, we get through the sky or the ground is this dinner where he's raising venture capital. Like is it is like a shark tank situation. He's just kind of talking to his pals. Okay. Okay. Science and gets. He's very into science is very eager to be sharing discoveries with people. Okay. Okay. And we we you said we have no idea who the Nair this initial narrator is just like, I was drivers house. It's one of those old timey books where some sometimes someone's name is mentioned and it's just a blank. Oh, those like Mr. s Blang. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't if I had thought to do the research would maybe understand why why people did that. But anyway, names aren't important. Okay. So he's like, hey, come back to my house again tomorrow night, and we can we can talk a little bit more about this concept, and so people come back to his house, and he's not there. He's late to his own dinner party. And then suddenly he comes in through the door from his lab, and he's all disheveled. And he's got like soot in his hair. And he looks haggard like he's just seen too much. And he's like, wow, me go get cleaned up. And then. Eat some meat, and then I will tell you about what I did. Okay. Are. Really rapid fire. Like, I mean, people people are like people don't really buy what's going on. They don't they don't know whether to believe him or not. But so he comes back, and he gets all he gets dressed up. He gets he eats meat. And then he starts telling the story, and then the perspective shifts to his story as related to the narrator. So classic frame narrative. Yeah. Sure. Okay. That makes sense using like you had a question. I just wanted to get the set up. That's great. I was going to ask just off the jump. What exposure you have ever had to this story because I remember in high school. I saw the two thousand two film that star guy Pearce as the time traveller it had the guy from those seven up commercials that were landed Jones. I have no idea. What you're talking about? The only seven up guy. I ever need is cool spot. Okay. It's Landau Jones. Cool. No the seven. Yours campaign or whatever it was. Man, we travel through time and teach advertising was so neat because it all rested on my calling the people who you're trying to sell your stuff to like a big dumb idiot. Buyer video games. They'll make your head explode. You dumb. Drink this soda. You'll turn giant. Yes. Being a kid was awesome in the nineties. So I saw that film. So I'm like I have images in my head of what this story is. But I have no concept of what the book is. Yeah. Like, I had seen at least parts of the first film, the nineteen sixty version. Okay. Which which was pretty well received one on Academy Award for special effects of the time lapse photography techniques that they oh they use to show travelling through time. But yet had a really clear memory of the sequence where one of the morlocks who are kind of monstrous bad guys. Sure extent that there are bad guys. Like he kills one of them and then jumps on the time machine. And then there's this time lapse footage of this thing like rotting and falling apart as he travels forward more. Yes. So like that was that's an indelible image from kid, Anders brain. And it's most of what I remembered about the movie if I indeed saw any of their at all. So what when we time machine I was watching footage that I think the time machine in the movie says that it was manufactured by like h g wells or like, it's like a little. Yeah. Yeah. Original game or built this the original game. Oh, gee will. Okay in age of empires. This is unrelated, but you talking about war games. And there is a version of that runs on new computers. Okay. Well, this thing about if any of our fans are running a. Clan, or whatever, let's let us know not the first one Andrew. So what happens like what does it jump to when it jumps to the time? Traveler's perspective. What does he start telling us about? I mean, you go right into the beginning of the adventure, which is him sitting in this contraption in his lab. And he moves forward slightly in time like he watches his his like cleaning person or is made or whatever like walk through a room, really fast. And then suddenly he sees that he has traveled forward five hours in time. It's like, oh, that's cool. And then he James a handle forward mode, and you get this whole passage this just talking about what it looks like to be travelling through time. I'm afraid I cannot convey the peculiar stations of time traveling excessively, unpleasant. There's a feeling exactly like that one has upon us which back of a helpless headlong motion. I felt the same horrible anticipation to of an image. Smash as I put on pace night. Follow daylight, the flapping of a black wing the dim suggestion of the laboratory seem presently to follow from me. And I saw the sun hopping swiftly across the sky. Leaping. It every minute and every minute marking day as oppose the laboratory had been destroyed, and I come into the open air at a dim impression of scaffolding. But I was already going too fast to be conscious of any moving things. The slew the slowest snail that ever crawled dash by too fast for me, the twinkling succession of darkness and light was excessively painful to the I then in the intermittent darkness. I saw the moon spinning swiftly through her quarters from new to full and had a faint glimpse of circling stars presently as I went on still gaining velocity. The palpitation of night and day merged into one continuous grayness. The sky took on a wonderful Deaconess a blue splendid luminous color like that of early twilight. The jerking son became a streak of fire brilliant arch in space, the moon, a fainter fluctuating band, and I could see nothing of the star save now. And then a brighter circle flickering in the blue. See you kind of puts you in the mind of time lapse photography. Well. And it also to me reminds me a little bit of of what I've read about Wells' work in general, especially the early Sifi romance stuff. That's like it's about how in many ways man is very small in the face of larger natural forces. Like, we're the world is all about like, what if there was an outside invader that came and did this to us in the way that you know, colonialism and stuff, but I think some of this fiction is like what if this thing happened, and we were powerless to do anything about it. Like does he have a goal and travelling through time or just to see if he can do it? I think he just he has his theory that there's a fourth dimension of Stephanie wants to travel through it. I think the implications are pretty clear like you could in theory. In addition to finding out what does happen in the future. You can find out. What did happen in the past? This book isn't really interested any kind of like butterfly AFL effects nonsense. Yes. And I think it I think he makes that clear by only going forward in the future and not going backward into the past. Like, there are more implications. If you go back into the past because then there's the opportunity for you to come back into the future. And then everything's a little bit different and some nefarious way twilight zone. I don't like the thing. I was reading about time travel fiction. There's a lot, you know, almost every article I read about time travel fiction has a paragraph at the bottom. That's like what do you do about Hitler? And like that is a trope of twentieth century time travel this one this one is saved because there was no Hitler. Yes. I don't know. What you what? What figure you use instead of Hitler? I don't know if writing in eighteen ninety. Yeah. What do you do about Napoleon? Yeah. We'll also so it sounds like he literally never goes back before the invention of the machine true. No interesting. He goes back to the time like when he arrives back in the present day after all of his venturing. It's like three hours later than when he started. So you never go back in time anywhere at all. Okay. Not even to like prevent yourself from creating the time machine, which I think is another like tropy sort of. John rouse handled. Now, sometimes usually how it like closes the loop of like, oh, well now I've gone back in time in undid the entire machine thing that I did. Yeah. Yeah. I think in the movie, I'm I'm just googled it to double check, which of the two thousand two guy Pearce film, which I think was Simon movie is the touchstone. No. The director is actually age Oji wells. Great grandson, Simon wells. Guy Pearce is motivated to invent the machine because a mugger kills his fiancee. Oh, there that man thing. Yeah. There's like a Batman would be way interested if instead of I will become a wacko vigilante. I will invent time travel and save my parents interesting. So I think in the the new joker movies is what the new job or movie is film. It's one of those things where she's always supposed to die. So even though he goes back like something else causes it. Yeah. Bocquet so back to that. And that kind of time travel is what you get in like that Star Trek episode where. Yeah. That one that one woman needs to die or else America will never enter World War Two and everyone a lose city on the edge of forever thing. Anyway. So he's traveling Ford through time. Yeah. So he's traveling for through time. And he's picking up speed is goes, and I found it. I found the year he chose to stop in really interesting because I have like. I think about the last like to millennials. Like what was happening in zero. It was like Jesus like the Roman empire. Gustis? It would have been Augusta's. I believe okay. It was a no it was. I think Tiberius maybe. Anyway, I don't I looked it up. Maybe you can look it up by do. I'm wondering what was going on? Okay. The yellow turban rebellion in China wasn't until two hundred AD or see whatever nomenclature using. I don't know what was going on in years zero. I think it was. Okay. It was it Gustis. Because Jesus died when Tiberius was emperor. Okay. Great figured that out anyway point being. It's a long time. Right. Like two thousand years a longtime think of all the stuff that we only got in the last ten years like I phones and better video games. The she wells invented never could imagine them. Yeah. Never could have imagined. The great games that we have today. So he stops in the year, eight hundred thousand eight hundred in two thousand seven hundred and one AD that's a long way way because. Yeah, if you think about two thousand years or even like, multiple thousands of years, there is still kind of a continuity that you can trace. Yes, there is a continuity from like Roman times to now we're also people and stuff is way different. But like this species hasn't changed all that much on an evolutionary scale. Yes. So this is I think he's chosen to travel forward this far and this plays into the Darwin thing you're talking about because it does give him an opportunity to portray something that is so vastly different. It's not just like the Jetsons or. Advanced like distortion human society. It is like something totally different. Okay. What has he invented? Or what is wells invented? What is the time? Traveller see? So the time traveler meets these little pale humanoid, but very delicate and weak and simple seeming. Creatures called the Eloi. Okay. In the nineteen sixty movie, they are just pretty blondes who speak, bad English. But in the books, they're like these delicate little creatures who don't speak any kind of language. They all eat. These giant fruit that grows all over the place, and it don't really want for anything. They don't seem to have any sort of societal structure or anything to speak of no like machinery, or like jobs or even like harvesting or planting kind of everything kind of provided for them. So does his like time travel chair just like show up in their hat. It's just it's just there. No stays in the same place because you're not moving in space. So is where the lab was only eight hundred thousand years in the fusion future. Apparently, like, the Thames is still there just like, it's it's a different place. But it's still identifiable as the temps. Sure. Okay. So can he like talk to these people? He makes some effort and threw shade. Making fruit at them and saying what he thinks it should be called or asking what it should be called. He eventually gets a few words, but the people don't seem interested in teaching him. Like, they they just seem to have a hard time paying attention to anything for long enough. Okay. To like teach him or even be that curious about him, even though he's clearly like a different kind of person or thing. And so he. He starts to hypothesize pretty quickly about how humanity got from. Where it was in his time to where it is now like he assumes. Okay. These guys are descendants of humanity. But obviously like humanity solved every one of its problems and in so doing we kind of lost our edged and kind of devolve because we didn't have anything to worry about anymore. That's fascinating. Yeah. That's his that's his hypothesis. So think about it. So this is pre bomb which I think informs a lot of like future Sifi, it's like Tomic bomb. So in terms of what humanity could do to its self is very different. It's also prewar one. So just like the horrors of humanity as we know them today are less prevalent. But also like he was an vowed socialist or at least became one. And so it is in. Interesting to me that he is like envisioned a society that wants for nothing and yet everyone's kind of like boring in hanging around like you take capitalism away. And everyone's just like, hey, let's eat this fruit. I guess or just like if you if you solve problems and get rid of need well necessity being the mother of invention all lecture where it is. Why would you do anything else if you've satisfied all of your your basic needs? And nobody's trying to take stuff from you. Then while you just chill out and hang okay. Cool. Hang on for thousands and thousands of years. Everyone just like play hackie sack and listening Jack Johnson in the few doing those exact things. But there that's the spirit. I think of the the society that he thinks it is not portrayed as being a like rundown or fallen society. It's just they're just they're they're just doing their thing. No like, there are some buildings that have decayed, but he kind of he puts that down to. You know, maybe maybe the because there are no problems like maybe people are reproducing less because they're feeling less drive to preserve the species or their own personal. Bloodlines are whatever and said, maybe things are just gradually sort of declining. All right. But so what comes along to challenge that perception is all these little Aloi guys are scared of what? Of the dark, just like anytime leap. Yeah. Of nighttime and sleeping out in the dark and of sleeping alone. They all kinda sleep and Bill heaps together things you pull that's the way. I visualize them based on the book. But yeah, they they all sleep together. Okay. Kate. That's presumably what we did in like, you know, chrome evening times times. Yeah. Just a bunch of people in a cave out lumps together. And he discovers that the reason why they do this is there is something that comes out at night that these things are scared of and sometimes some of them disappear, and nobody knows where they went. And because they don't really like care that it's not really big deal for anybody. Like, even he's watching some of them play in a river and one of them gets swept away, and none of the others. Make any move to save her because they just like don't care that much. They don't have a great self preservation instinct. Oh, and so he saves her. I think her name is Weena or something. Okay. Just just make absolutely sure. That that slow what? Yeah, we Weena. What's wrong with Weena? Nothing. You just because you weren't sure. You said it so dismissively, even don't think you actually meant that Lena. So that's interesting because he that's wells using like singling out a character from this. Otherwise faceless group of people. That's interesting. So we sort of imprint on him. They don't have romantic or sexual relationships. All. But they do like she is kind of his companion from here until pretty close to the end of the of the story. But. So what what the time traveller discovers that? There's this other race also possibly probably descended from humans near called the morlocks. They live underground in all this this like giant den of of machinery, basically you and after exploring and getting a glimpse of them like they really hate light. So they don't come out during the daytime they're scared of his matches that he is carried with him. And like he he doesn't have a lot of stuff with him. And I think it's because he assumed that the technology in the future would be so great that he would not need all smart modern day, conveniences like matches. Why would I bring a lighter when I could go to the future, and they probably have like laser vapes or something like vapes. Not going to bring my own matches like an idiot. I want to cool in front of laser vape pids. I don't think he hadn't anticipated that society in some ways would have declines or just changed dramatically. And these morlocks are more like ranchers in that they do provide clothing and stuff for the Eloi. But they also eat them. Oh, I didn't. And so then he started then he starts thinking again like, oh, well that utopian thing that you'd hope declines scenario that I came up with maybe isn't exactly right. So the situation that we are I guess left to assume as true, or at least like this is the symbolism that Welles himself has chosen to present to us. The reader sure is that they're both both races are descended from humanity. But the Eloi represent kind of the overclass and the. The morlocks represent an unlike a working class or an underclass who and well time it was true. That many laborers did literally do their labor like in dimly lit spaces or even underground. And so he extrapolates this out to this is a race of creatures that physically cannot come above ground anymore. And then there's this other race of creatures that wanting nothing in needing nothing in not conflicting became very very weak. And so now they are in a position where they can't do anything about it. When the underclass like comes up to get their revenge. And I know it's not even it's framed as a revenge thing, it's just like the the at some point the balance that have been struck where these people are living underground these people are living above ground like hypothesize that the morlocks ran out of food at some point and because the lake aversion to cannibalism is not super deep seated and humanity. There was not like. I don't know. They wouldn't have tried very many alternate things. I guess before they resorted to eating these things that could not defend them. So I didn't realize that this was like a Marxist class warfare fantasy. It is a little bit is not not that really for. Sure, I did find that. The Illinois is a Hebrew word. It's plural of alo- him for lesser gods. Yeah. Right. And then the morlocks may we don't know for sure like it might come from a Canaanite God for child sacrifice Wikipedia also said it was maybe from the Scottish her mollusks for minors or rubbish. So. It seems like a stretch. But what do I know? It's it's a very Avakian of word like I've like having been exposed to at once I can associate with this book like no problem. And like the imagery of the morlocks is always he like does the book position the time traveller to do anything about this. Or is it very like anthropological like he's learning and he's just hoping to get out of the situation. So it's anthropological his his only interest though is is so shortly after he gets there his time machine has been taken and hidden somewhere. And it's like this this vault underneath this big sphinx statue. That he decides is the most logical place for whoever has hidden his time machine to have hidden his time machine. Okay. And so his like he's not like, oh, I'm going to fix this. Because what is there to fix? What is one person do about a total societal shift like this? But his. Immediate goal is. Well, I gotta get back. Yeah. So he's like he's taken the levers. He's like unscrewed the levers, basically, put him as pockets. So nobody else can use the time machine, but it has been dragged off and hidden in like this fall. And so he's got to get into this fault. And so he and Weena just giving you a minute for Weena again. I'm good if you need it. I'm good. Okay. All right. So him in Weena go to this big like broken down sort of? I guess. It's functioning as a museum. I don't know what it would have been over. Generally, there's a lot of rusted out machinery there. But this big of dilapidated museum where he's looking around for materials like he finds more matches because he'd run out of them. He finds some like flammable the some camp for what is that? It's just some like flammable old timey science chemical. I don't know. He breaks off a lever that he says this. This is a good enough Mace to crack some skulls good weapon. Okay. Maybe I can also use it as a crowbar prion this thing and get back on my time machine and the original game or playing skyro- over here stacking up as inventory, and he's just digging through wooden crates like digging up apples and. But he does you know, he he discovers once he's gotten far enough into this big building that hey, it does lead underground, which is where the morlocks are. Okay. Okay. So you don't want to go back there. So he leaves the museum with his with his new inventory. And the m- the Weena is not very physically fit like cannot go super far and the morlocks of pursuing him. So he starts a fire to distract them. Which turns into a big forest fire. Great could Meena disappears in that. And the morlocks were disappear in that. And he gets back to this this big sphinx thing, and he discovers the doors of this of this building hanging wide open because the morlocks are like, well, he we're gonna use his machine alert. I'm in there, and then trap not understanding that the machine travels differently than that. And so he has a brief confrontation with the morlocks where he almost gets killed or pulled off his machine buddy escapes. And he goes even further into the future. And he sees the he basically he goes millions and millions of years into the future. I feel like it's like thirty million years or something like that. Basically longtime in a brick on the on the gas pedal and just like hoping for the best. Yeah. It's a combination like getting away from things. And also like what's the logical end of things or like, you know, his his scientific curiosities is taking control of him again. Instead of instead of hitting the lever to go back. He decides to go further forward. There's apparently like a deleted passage that exists. Elsewhere about like him going forward long enough to find this other like sub race. Kangaroo. Something. Kangaroo people with little human hands. But that got cut from from this story. So he just goes millions and millions of years into the future. He witnesses sort of the last life on earth dying. And like the sun keeps getting bigger and bigger, and he's he's basically getting to the end of everything on earth. Just watching the sun die or whatever. And he just any sits there and he hangs out and has really cold. And he's having trouble breathing, and then he'd mashes back on the time machine and comes back. So he can tell everyone is story. The book ends with the narrator. The original narrator coming back to talk to the time traveller again the next day and travelers like, okay? I'm just gonna I'm gonna go for a quick John the time machine talked a little bit. And he never comes back. It's been three years. He never came back. Oh, gosh. Where did you win? I don't the book sorta speculates that. Maybe he went forward to a like a recognizable time, but like good where he hung out and be happy for the rest of forever. A hu- like to the part where humanity had solved all its problems. But before it lost its edge. I guess I don't know. But maybe also his machine just broke. And he got dead yet. It seems like that is a real fear that like this one machine could just have a gearshift problem. And then he is stuck in a crappy century sometime. Hence. Yeah. The end of the of the nineteen sixty movie, I kinda like this is that they can't say if the time travel will come back, but he has all the time in the world. Oh, my God really row credits. Nice. No, thank you. I did find a note about another story Andrew from in my time in my time travel research in seventeen thirty three a dude wrote a story called memoirs of the twentieth century where guardian angel sends back letters from the nineteen nineties. At which I made a note presumably warning about the Clinton administration or someone. But it is interesting. So how political is there anything in the book about him? Like, he's not like warning, the narrator. He's not like imparting lessons, right? Story. Yeah. It's like he's making that broader point about the the working class versus. Okay, upper-class. But he's not like the book doesn't end with like a and the moral of the story is don't dabble in God's domain or whatever. Like nothing there is nothing direct like that. There's nothing about which you and I were talking earlier about like time travel fiction having though like what we've got to destroy this technology because it's it's like two messed up, which is kind of like a Faustian bargain. Yeah. Or like you go back in time than everybody events time machines. And then the time stream on gets all screwed up, and you inevitably have to go back and kill yourself. I said it doesn't happen. Yeah. This does not there's there's none of that. This is like what if we went eight hundred thousand years in the future and class the class struggle had become an evolutionary struggle is what it sounds like. Right. And what if because? It's the future, and I can just go back in time and undo everything if I want it doesn't matter how many morlocks I'd crush the skulls with my makeshift, courtesy really kill a bunch of morlocks kill some morlocks coming after him regular, Gordon Freeman with that crowbar my right? Wow. The original gamer on again. I guess like what is why is it time trap? Like, why did he why in why use time travel to explore this idea? Because it's like, I don't I'm struck by the fact that it seems very uninterested in some of the questions that we are used to from modern time travel fiction, which is like also had another like hundred and twenty years of of riffing on the forms. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. So like, why would when we we're used to like back to the future model of could you go back and like change a thing, and what are the ramifications of that? And could you keep the life? You had or not think if you're if you're interested in and this is just me projecting. Sure. Sure. Onto onto H G wells. But if you are interested in like, Darwin and science and socialism, and this kind of stuff. The like the focus point of your curiosity is almost always going to be on like stuff that hasn't happened yet. Right. Okay. Like, I feel like. Going back in like finding out who William Shakespeare's best friends with or something like that doesn't satisfy the same kinds of curiosities. Yes. As as well seem to have. No, you're right. And I think just an and if you're asking just like why time travel why not some kind of like alternate world or or some other kind of allegorical thing. I mean, we're still culturally culturally like obsessed with time travel is everywhere. All the time always note. Yes, that's why I'm asking. Why is it just this like jump way forward and examine a problem? But yeah, I think you answered that. Because I think for what they're John RA has grown into a lot more of like, how do we look to the past? And what is our notion of memory or self if we consider the past, and this is much more. Like, hey, let me look into the future and see what the world becomes. Yeah. I don't know if. I don't I don't know if it can be said that we are more backward-looking. Now, they I don't know. We're seeing in like eighteen ninety five but. I do think we have at multiple levels like a sort of cultural and political obsession with like the good old days or do correcting things or regretting things rather than like looking forward. Yeah. I found a a brain pickings article bring pickings as Maria Papova, which is a great blog that folks to go check out if they haven't and she was writing about a book by James Gleich called time travel. I think it's called time travel where he talks about H G wells, and like the creation of this whole genre. And and thought and he says why do we need time travel when we already traveled through space so far and fast for history for mystery or nostalgia for hope to examine our potential and explore our memories to counter regret for the life. We lived the only life one dimension beginning to end. I think that is something that is very of the moment of like, we're in this like, hyper nostalgic mode, which is like certainly exceleron by being able to record everything we do all the time. And so it's like, oh Facebook it has a memory for thing you did a year ago or there's this. There's this whole cottage industry around making new fast computers, accurately. Run software designed for old back. It's facilitated by technology because we have become since the advent of of that lease the VCR like possibly before that. But like now that preservation of stuff has become available for like, the mass market and has become such a big component of culture. Like. Yeah. I just think we're inherently maybe a little more focused on older stuff than we are on going forward. Which is sues. I don't know. We don't need to get all into it. But yeah, I wonder too. It's just like so much information is available to us at all times. At it's hard to just there's it feels like there's less blank space to fill in in the future. Well, it's just like easier to wash the office for the fourth time than it is to go forth and discover a new show even with all the new shows that exist. Like, you know, what it is? You know, what you're getting into? Yep. That's very true. Tell me. No, I was going to I was just going to. I was agreeing with Andy Rooney thing about yet. Because you said that I thought to a recent like weekend I spent with some friends where we spent all of our downtime. Just washing deficits the office. Yeah. Or like a compilation of all the grunting noises from home improvement. You know, on you know, YouTube is a form of time travel. Let's think about that. No good. Let's actually only the only other thing of note that I found when I was looking this opposition apparently a separate sub genre of apocalyptic fiction called. Called the dying earth. Yes. Where it's not about. It's not about the bomb. It's not about like everybody blowing each other up from war or something. But just of the earth kind of just petering out like things reaching a natural issue. Logical ish conclusion, a home and just wiping out and say getting blown up and this kind of sad and interesting. Well, you have to think about that in like where a series of scientific discoveries in the in the seventeenth eighteenth and nineteenth centuries being like, yeah. Here's a bunch of stuff. We didn't know about how the how the natural world works would all of which imply that like whatever we've got going on is probably gonna come to. Think things cool enterpise exists like there's all sorts of evolutionary forces that are going to change the way that we know the world it wasn't just like made for us. It's not the garden of Eden. Like, let's deal with that kind of stuff. And. Yeah, you're right. It is pre. It's not just like we're going to new kitchen other and then like travel into the future post nuke or something like that. Interviewed time travel to any period in time. When would you travel to? I don't know. Like what what's my? What's my focus on my trying to change something or am? I just trying to enjoy something. Oh, let you enjoy something. What do you want to enjoy? I guess I'd like to go back to nineteen nineties. Okay. And what a kind of figure out is. Are what I perceive in my mind to be the good old days, actually good old days. More does everybody as they turn like thirty something just Nate Lee sort of become inundated with like dread about the state of affairs. Yeah. Who that's good was everyone having a good time in the Nance where the gogo. Let's go eighty wanna go back and see if Shakespeare was maybe actually about actor like I think, maybe he wasn't great at acting. That's why he wrote yelets those who can't right? I guess. Yeah. I read somewhere that maybe he played hamlet's ghosts like the ghost hamlet dad once, but I don't think he ever played like leads and stuff. So I would like to go back a heckle shanks kind of feel like Shakespeare h- you'd have to have almost like a Alfred Hitchcock or like, yes, he sort of where he just PR. Briefly appears in all of his plays. But he's never you never started one what role Shakespeare played. That's why I want to go back in time. Okay. All right. I do will probably take back some like modern accoutrements to make sure that my trip is not terrible. Right. Like, soap, soap babycare. It's you know, those are the two things that can't live without still wanna eat dirty ground carrots in the pageant's don't want like I don't who can eat a whole carrot on carrots dirt all over it and so much karat. Anyway, Andrew thanks for sharing this book with me autumn. And I look forward to hearing your thoughts on middle March when you're ready to share. Yeah, we're going to travel forward in time at the normal rate. And by the time, we get there. I will have finished middle Mars. Okay. If folks enjoy the episode, you can write us an Email about it at overdue potett g mail dot com. You can also let us know about your time travel adventure. On social media at Twitter com, overdue pod or Facebook dot com slash overdue pod. It feels like many many years since we talked about twilight, but a lot of people even in the past seven days have reached out to tell us about the episode including Tyler page. Marie ellen. Stephanie, Melissa Ingrid Holly Trina Hillary, Amy Ronnie, Tom, Jake, Aaron and many more. Thanks, y'all. Andrew folks want to know more about the show where should they go? They should go to overdo podcast dot com where we got links to apple podcast and Google play RSS feed. You can subscribe to the show with any of those feeds and rate and review us, let us know what you think we've got a patriotic page at patriot dot com slash overdue pod. Please go a little bit of money to help us pay for hosting and for books. What else got a new listener page up there on overdue podcast dot com. Also episodes that we are particularly a namrd of. That's it go listen. I think that's I think that's everything. Craig what are you reading next week? If all goes, according to plan, I am if I don't get hurdled hundreds of thousands of years into the future. I will be here to talk about the lies of luck the moral by Scott Lynch. And then after that, we're going to be celebrating children's book week with some fun books. I just got mine in the mail fungus, the boogeyman boy, I think you're gonna be talking about dragging dragons dragons love tacos, which I did not know about dragons excited to find out more. Yeah. Me too. All right, everybody. Thanks for listening to our thing. We'll talk to you next week until then try to be happy. That was a hit them.

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TikTok Asks Court for Extension on Divestiture Deadline

WSJ Tech News Briefing

09:02 min | 9 months ago

TikTok Asks Court for Extension on Divestiture Deadline

"My employees just got iphone twelve on verizon five jeep the five g business has been waiting for we download huge files on the go and use multi cam video conferencing plus with the coverage of five g nationwide and more and more cities ultra wideband. It's five jeep from the network. Businesses rely on get iphone. Twelve pro max for your business with our best offer yet. Five gene nationwide available and over eighteen hundred cities terms apply limited time offer. This is your tech news briefing thursday november twelfth. I'm llewellyn for the wall street journal. Today is the deadline set by the trump administration for the chinese video sharing app tiktok to find an american buyer for its us operations. There is a proposed. Deal out there but there are still a lot of questions about whether it'll go through and what happens if it doesn't and now tiktok parent company bytedance is asking for more time to work things out our reporter georgia wells will on what's happening. After these headlines lead up to the election. Facebook and google said they would ban political ads on their platforms until a week after election day. Now we report that. The tech companies both plan to extend their bands for at least several more weeks in order to prevent confusion around the results. That's according to several people familiar with the matter and an email reviewed by the wall street journal and katy perry kicking off the chinese ecommerce giant alibaba's shopping holiday singles day yesterday period wasn't the only celebrity involve singer taylor swift also launched a new clothing line. This year. alibaba extended the buying window for single day from one day to several days and it paid off. The company raked in more than seventy five billion dollars in sales for the event nearly doubling last year's record that's more than all us retailer sales on black friday and cyber monday combined. Here's our reporter trevor. Moss online retail was kozo. Already a big thing in china was growing. Fool the pandemic and i think what we've seen is that trend has really been accelerated retail in china house bounce back from the pandemic but that in the january to september period retail overrule is still down about seven percents on you but within that's online sales of growing about ten percents on the so you can see that online retail has really bucked the overall triton has really become a much from biggest share overall. I think is now about one third of all retail in china. All right coming up after the break. The latest on tiktok. that's next. My employees just got iphone twelve on verizon five jeep the five g business has been waiting for we download huge files on the go and use multi cam video conferencing plus with the coverage of five g nationwide and in more and more cities ultra wideband. It's five g from the network. Businesses rely on get iphone. Twelve pro max for your business with our best offer yet. Five gene nationwide available and over eighteen hundred cities terms apply limited time offer. It's been a while since we talked about the legal challenges around the video sharing app tiktok so quick refresher. The trump administration had national security concerns about tiktok because it believed the chinese own. Social media app could share american users data with the chinese government. Tiktok has said that it doesn't and wouldn't do that. Still president trump issued an executive order in august aimed at forcing tiktok defined an american buyer for its us operations or face a ban and the administration as well as another us regulator gave them until today november twelfth. To do it a bunch of different players were interested in tiktok. There was microsoft twitter some investment firms but they selected deal that included oracle and walmart. It is really complicated. And tiktok parent company. Bytedance has filed a petition asking for more time to work things out our reporter. George wells has been following this drama since the beginning and she joins me now to check in on. What's going on georgia. Thanks for being here. Probably amanda okay. So the last time we checked in president trump had signed off in principle on a deal for tiktok's us operations that included oracle and walmart but there are still a ways to go before it was final. So where are they at with. Working out the terms of that deal and and one of the sticking points. The deal talks are still happening. But what's going on here is. There's this deadline today by which the deal was supposed to be completed and now tiktok is asking for more time to complete. The this deal is intended to spin off a portion of tiktok specifically the part that kind of relates to the. Us in put safeguards in to protect the us user data and so now oracle and walmart had teamed up to put up money for a stake in tiktok and also oracle would oversee the safety of the us user data but our understanding is the actual ownership structure has been a big sticking point. Meaning how big a stake of tiktok will its parent company. Bytedance get to keep and that matters because bytedance obviously doesn't want to give up its baby but the white house is still called for tiktok to be owned by an american company and of course regulators also need to sign off on this as well. What do we know about where they are. So the regulator that oversees foreign transactions which has syphilis syfy is still needs to approve the deal and then stiffest would likely issue of sky to the president and then the president might need to sign off on a deal again and also we believe china presumably would also need to sign off on the deal so tiktok has filed a petition asking for more time as you mentioned what are they asking for. And what's the likelihood. They'll get it. So tim cook says it hasn't really anything from regulators and they want more information about how and when this should proceed. Tiktok says has been asking for guidance from the us government hasn't received it and so now tiktok would like an extension to work out the deal. It seems pretty likely that they could receive an extension because the order that kind of made today the deadline. That order said that an extension could be offered. But that said it's hard to predict anything that's happening in washington right now. Yes so it sounds like there are a lot of moving pieces. A lot of question marks and there are a few ways that this could play out. So can you just walk us through the possible scenarios In theory deal could be announced today. It seems unlikely. But in that scenario we would finally here the final details how to talks parent company plans to address the security concerns another option as tiktok could receive an extension and in that scenario tiktok would likely have another thirty days to sort out the details of how it's going to divest its operations. It's also possible that tiktok an extension and also might not be a deal and we just don't know what happened. In that scenario there are two different orders that apply to today one for deal for tiktok to happen and another order laid out. How tiktok could be banned if a deal didn't happen but that order that called for the fan has been put on ice by judge so at this point there's an order calling for deal to happen but not a clear penalty for what happens if the deal isn't reached and taking a step back here. It's been a moment since we talked about this on the show. So can you just remind us what's at stake here for tiktok and the us and why this has been such a bitter sort of endless standoff. The government's main concerns about tiktok was the possibility that data about americans could be passed along to the chinese government in china. There's basically a law that says the chinese government if asks companies for data they have to supply that data separately. There's also people in washington who fear that tiktok could be used to serve kind of propaganda to americans in order to boost certain narratives or certain claims. Take thoughts entire business in the. Us is at stake here. And so in terms of why this was such a bitter standoff. The us regulator that monitors foreign investment was already in talks with tiktok how to mitigate any risks that the app could post a us users but then president trump got involved in august and as we know his negotiation styles pretty volatile and so basically a negotiation which there was already a lot on the line for both parties has become even more hectic. Ara puerto george wells. Thanks so much for joining me. Thanks amanda that's it for today's tech news briefing. You can find more tech stories on our website wsj.com and if you like our show please do rate and review us in your app store. It really does help. I'm into llewellyn for the wall. Street journal things for listening.

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How Twitter Did in Q3, a TikTok and Shopify Deal and Does Social Audio Have a Future? | Nov 4, 2020

Behind the Numbers: eMarketer Podcast

26:38 min | 9 months ago

How Twitter Did in Q3, a TikTok and Shopify Deal and Does Social Audio Have a Future? | Nov 4, 2020

"After seeing what twitter did in q. Two they added twenty million new users. So when you look at that and you see what happened in q. Three it was only one million you kind of have to scratch your head and going what. The heck happened here gang. It's wednesday november four. Debbie blake and listeners. Welcome to the bonding them. Numbers daily month to poke brought to you by cycle. I'm markus johnson. I'm joined by two very familiar. Voices if you do anything. Social media on this very podcast. We're joined by deborah williamson principal covering social media debbie wealth. Thanks marcus here. Hello and we also joined by a junior analyst covering social blake. Drove markets has gone. Hey chat bray well thanks for asking. Today's topic twitches q earnings. How did they do so. Earnings are back. Q3 in the midst of covering them. We talked a little snapchat recovering twitter today. We're going to stop talking uses. And then we'll talk about how much money they make. But let's start with the highlights from twists. His use numbers twits added. Only one million total monetize daily active users as they count. Mda us as a multi day active users they one million from last quarter to hit one hundred and eighty seven million the smallest increase since late. Twenty seventeen the periods that twitter has provided such data so pretty flat however year on year growth q. three of last year to q. Three of this year grew. Twenty-nine percents an assigned from q to the law schools. We have Before this one. That's the highest growth of the last few years Be in your opinion. Which gross rate should we be paying. More attention to is a really good question because after seeing what twitter did in q. Two so in two two. They added twenty million new users. So when you look at that and you see what happened in q. Three it was only one million. You kinda have to scratch your head and go like what the heck happened here. And so i think of the two. I would probably drill in focus on the q. Three and say okay. So how did twitter first of all manage to attract twenty million users last quarter and yet only one million this quarter in roy moore in the same quarter. Nothing has really changed. I mean we're still in the midst of a pandemic worldwide. Were still at least in the united states in the midst of a very contentious election with lots of debate and rancor we are still in ainhoa doing all the things usually use twitter for if not more because events have come back like sports and things like that so it really did sort of leave me scratching my head of like well. Why didn't twitter have have a chance to grow more. I will say though that. Mda is really unlike monthly active users. Which is you know. Kind of a more softer metric. Md is a pretty tough metric to attain. Because it's really about engagement among existing users of up. You know people logging in every day at people that can be reached. Every day are on a daily basis for with advertising. So that's a tough far. I will say that but overall do you have to scratch my head. I'm just like why did the environment not change. But yet twitter wasn't able to grow and even five million would have better than one million so i mean as debbie said. I look to this. And i looked at the numbers from last time and i said what did i miss like wanted to do wrong. This time that they were doing so right before. Is this a case of the fact that that growth for the future growth was just poured forward because it was a pandemic and people were kind of flocking to the platform to figure out what the hell is going on in the wells and so you may have go ten million in q two maybe three but everyone needed to know what was going on right now so you drank that q. Three growth into cue two and they'll just one An abundance more new users to add immediately the courtroom after while. Let me preface this by joining both you. And w is sort of scratching my head when i look at these numbers because i think it it is. It is quite puzzling And if i was to make you know sort of an educated guess. I would agree with what you're saying. Is that sort of front loading at the beginning of the pandemic People coming in and looking for news up to date using social media in general. And just to digress quickly. I think twitter is what of those platforms. Where it's it's lose weight less likely for people to use it as a tool to stay in touch with people they know personally at. It's much more prominently used for following news and updates from public figures. So i think what we saw here and once again is just sort of educated. Assumption is fatigue and people have talked about social media. Like debbie said we're looking at daily active users so there are people that could be monthly users But have just decided you know what this is too much news too much conflict. I still wanna use social networks to stay engaged with my friends and family. They on facebook and instagram and etcetera but when it comes to sort of the news angle of social media which is pretty much conducted on twitter mail to take a break for a couple of days. Here we're still in the midst of all of the stuff pandemic contentious political season. I think when people are looking at social media at how they can cut back in terms of maybe a little bit of a. You know a mental health check. I think twitter might be that. I want to go especially in a pandemic where people aren't seeing friends and family Debbie picking up that point. coming maybe getting ahead of myself so i wanna talk about running into the. Us presidential election. Which is positioned in the middle of q for if he will slightly slightly more towards the front. How much effect is they're going to be on usage because of the presidential election will like blake. Said there'd be kind of a scaling back to some degree before we hit the us election. You might see those people as uses rejoin afterwards. How you think. The election is going to affect twitter usage over the coming weeks. Yeah like blake said twitter's where people turn to talk so they go in. There is something big going on and on twitter actually did talk about that in their earnings statement stay attributed that other year over year growth to external factors. That's what they call the the all the things that are going on that people come to twitter to talk about and so What that says to me is that if there's something controversial to discuss than twitter wins so as the election cycle kind of transitions here into the rest of the quarter. It's really hard to say. You know where the conversation is going to turn next. But i think what it says to me is. I want to turn this conversation just a little bit different. Because i think what it also says to me is that it's gonna be challenging for twitter conceptually because at the same time they tend to grow and draw people in when there's controversy and when there's something to discuss a twitter is also spending a lot of time and effort to try to improve the health of twitter doing a lot to make conversation safer and things like that and those are kind of two warring impulses right. I mean you want to bring people in because they have a debate and because they talk because more people come in to twitter because they wanna talk about things but at the same time if you do too much to make the conversation healthy then becomes boring in non essential so that to me is an interesting sort of back and forth that. I think i'm going to going to see play out over the course of q four interesting. Yeah we'll people wanna talk our engages much. If it's a civil discussion yeah living doing a lot. I mean they've they've been adding little notations to say. Are you sure you wanna re tweet that. Have you looked you know. Have you actually looked at what you're retweeting and so these things are smart. I'd no question. They're smart but is it stymying conversation or is it actually making it. The conversation no more boring or flatter or just making people think. Oh well i'm not gonna bother commenting on that and then level of engagement. Maybe goes down. So i'm going to be watching for those kinds of signs coming forward to this quarter positioning. How people engage with those warnings. Alas whatever you wanna call them. Pop ups Someone pointed out to me recently. One of my friends and they were like. Oh look this. Did you realize that switzer was doing this. And i knew because i talk about a lot of consumers won't know and when they come across how will that change. Their behavior would change much in the moment where they just kinda skip positive. Keep doing what. They're what they're doing So anyway let me looking at total uses again for a second analysts were expecting Pulled by factset. Were expecting us account to rise to one hundred ninety six millions from one. Eighty six in q two to one ninety six in q. Three oversee way off of that. They're in the added. One million of the ten projected By region twists added no. Us uses pretty much dead in the water flat q. Three off a strong three million editions in hugh to however if you look a year on year uses was still twenty percents on loss q. Three and internationally twits added two million international subscribers Three down from the seventeen million added in q two was still up though if you look year on year again A year on year the international growth was up. Thirty two percents on lost q. Three this move to revenue folks. How much money have they soon after. Averaging healthy double digit growth in each quarter of last year twitter title ad revenue hit the brakes in q. One a slammed on the brakes and key one. They grew zero. Percents tanked in q two at negative twenty. Three percents but bounced back to that fifteen percents in q. three q. three. It went zero negative twenty three v plus fifteen reaching eight hundred and eighty eight hundred million for the quarter folks. What's your opinion on the revenue picture for twitter. I'll japan and say. I mean i think twitter really benefited from a couple of things. First of all the return of events sports in particular they made mention in their earnings of partnerships with the nba at partnerships with the wnba certainly partnership that the nfl also helped advertisers. I think we're very keen to come back to twitter in support of these events. I think that twitter also has benefited generally like all the social platforms and include in pretty much all of digital from advertisers very rapidly increasing enthusiasm towards the end of q. Three four returning to advertising. I mean i think they. They started to look ahead to the potential of the election. Being done on the ma. Of course the all important. Cue for selling Season with the holidays and all advertisers. I think have been very optimistic and have been increasing. An open increasingly opening up their wallets. And i think twitter was a beneficiary of that as well. One thing that twitter was not a beneficiary of which is interesting because the other platforms didn't say this is the twitter really still. Hasn't benefited from direct response or performance based advertising dollars. It's been delaying delaying delaying products associated with getting revenue from these advertisers. That are looking for direct response performance and would we saw facebook's earnings which i know we're going to talk about the podcast and a also snapchat earnings. Both of them highlighted the fact that performance advertisers were a big part of their success. So for twitter is still definitely the brand advertisers about for you as debbie mentioned spending on events Coming back also. George wells in the wall street journal notes. That product launches were grounded during the pandemic coming back to sutton extents of. What do you make of the money. That twits amazing q. Three it's probably best to just almost reiterate what i said on the snapchat. Podcast is you know. There's just money coming into social media right now and what. He marketer expects Is that twitter at the. Us is going to continue to make up. Roughly the same percentage of total social network ad spending over the next two years as that pie grows as long as they maintain their slice. They're going to continue to bring in more ad revenue But i think what debbie said is really important because direct response is. I think really the selling point of a lot of the money. That's coming into social media right now as you know in store shopping continues to be very low. Social media advertising is being used even more aggressively for down funnel advertising and if twitter can't make that a selling point i think it is you know at risk of losing out on some of this this money this additional money. That's now coming into social on because you have seen players that are smaller but roughly in the same category like snapchat really developing some very useful direct response advertising. So i think that now yes. They're started still maintaining that slice of the pie but It's going to be important for them to continue to really develop that direct response or focus on that direct response aspect of of ad business so as we says. Hit the brakes and q one tanks revenue in q two negative. Twenty three bounced back to that fifteen percents it in three. The us was A little bit below fifty percents international was a bit above that the us q. Three year on year growth matched lost q. Three twenty nine hundred eleven percents international growth was Up around twenty percent which is four times higher than Those three international did really well. Us revenue still accounts for a little over half of the total net income in q two. They lost as much money as they had made. In the whole of one thousand nine thousand nine hundred. It wasn't great back in the black if only just in q. Three analysts had been expecting them to be in the red in q. Three so bright spot there as well as the we time for for twitter's q three earnings style network which sponsors cycle and then we'll be back with a few other stories in the world where browns are faced with changing consumer needs cycle powering the digital experiences that exceed customer expectations. Learn more about. How psycho can help you create a memorable. Cx the bills brownlow today and drives a competitive advantage live up personalized content. That scale make digital your difference. You can start now by visiting psycho dot com slash on hyphen thoughtful. All right. we're back today in other news. How popular social audio apps be tiktok has a new partnership with ecommerce platform shopper fi and has twenty twenty being the year of shopping for america. And you app called locker room. Just launched which is a social audio talk. Sports point joining live conversations. The company behind the app has received funding from investors like google ventures an amazon's alexa fund and also professional basketball players. Like kevin durant and andre igwe dolla. Agenda bankrupt axios when you open the app. Uca feed of all the live in upcoming conversations talking about people. Sports teams topics. When you enter a room you have people on that question quote stage controlled by the rooms creator and you say who's in the audience. People raise the hansa talk and if chosen then might come on in are wrong quote on the stage is also text based chat available. Anyone can start their own room by pressing. Gold live and you can notify your followers. The ongoing going live as well. Kendall baker a vaccine saying. It's more like a sports bar than a radio. Broadcaster they're awesome elements of seems. Blake does social audio. have a future It's interesting concept. But i think it's obviously way too early to make any prediction here It's an interesting prospect though because to me it really combines casting live streaming on social media and then weirdly enough like a. m sports talk radio So you know. Wow you've got podcasting and livestream on social media really being hot properties right now It makes me wonder like space for something you know. Basically a livestream without video or a podcast. That sort of user incorporated. But i think that there might actually be some interest here in terms of the the whole like. Am talk radio people want to. They want to engage They want to insert themselves in the conversation. Ever especially when it comes to sports But i just wonder if there is a little bit too much going on in these different intersections right now for this type of strategy audio social networking to really carve out a huge niche. At this moment you make some good points talking about having that conversation trenton with people a lot harder than minute during the pandemic people aren't sports bars anymore not talking to people engaging with their friends. It's more social circle or random strangers about sports and things of that nature. So i think yeah maybe more appetite for it now than that. Perhaps would be. I think this is going to get copied by someone. I think is an interesting concept but i think the people are going to want to be on the completely for apple away from all of the close friends to do this type of thing. I think that someone like an instagram facebook. Whoever is going to copycat this and work that feature into their their broader ecosystem into that broader social apps. There's a couple of really cool examples educational thinking what with is actually look like the access piece gives a couple of examples of what you might do with the social media. Them's watch policies group. Get together to watch a game Talk about the action in real time and other one is blake mentioned as of similar to a live. Podcast with hosts can have live episodes and allow audience interaction. You can host like a panel q. And i say it feels like an auditorium breaking news if you wanna react in real time to some huge trade or some huge Sports signing perhaps you can have like a debate stage or you can have a big name person perhaps doing hosting some kind of a jeff darlington be. Spn is doing an nfl. We can review Season during during the special beta version he goes live four. pm eastern on certain days. So maybe you're going to have a big name and you can join that conversation. I'm maybe interact with them. There's a couple of apps out there dansko notes there's clubhouse couplets he to cooler station had to do with talking with coworkers Talking in the virtual coffeeshop setting so we'll have to watch the space. Really interesting concept social audio. Will it take off with it. Fizzle out story to talk new partnership with platforms. Show fine to help us. Retailers advertise on the app. The short form video app will give them access to tiktok for business as manager without making them leave Dashboard the matches create and manage tiktok campaigns using features like video app's of tools and one. Click ads pixel tiktok offering merchants. Three hundred dollars an ad credits to help interested. Much get started debbie. How significant is this deal. Yes so. I think we're at the category right now of this could be pretty substantial because there's a lot of interesting i would say tendrils you can maybe put together into something that could be large. I mean you mentioned the first part which is really that at the start. This is really only just an advertising feature. This is enabling shopper. Fis merchant partners to advertise on tiktok. So that's interesting. Obviously what is even more interesting is what might happen over time. Which is enabling Retailer e commerce partners to integrate more fully with tiktok and sell their products on tiktok. Men work with maybe some of the Talk influencers to To market those products into those products. In some way there could be livestreaming. So that's another tender all that could potentially add up to something. I don't know if i may be mixing metaphors and i'm talking about tendrils adding was just going with the final. The final tender is the fact. That tiktok If and when it ends up concluding it's saga of who owns tiktok. Walmart is what of the potential partners and walmart itself has also recently announced its own partnership with shop affi- to integrate chapa fai sellers with walmarts line marketplace and so fast forward if walmart ends up being a partial of tic tac. Suddenly you have chiappa fi involved in both walmart and tiktok and suddenly you have an interesting social commerce strategy that involves the hottest growing up of twenty twenty so it could be something really interesting but you have to put a lot of threads together or tendrils and and make it into a holiday present at now. I'm really mixed metaphors more metaphor so mocked his briefing us. I had a couple of points about social commerce. They said the salesforce may twenty twenty study found one in five years consumers are more interested in holiday shopping via social media than they were last year according to the september emarketer e commerce survey by biz right in size. They showed the shad. Us folks who used social commerce rose twenty four percents Last christmas to ninety six percents in august of this year from twenty four to thirty six in thad story. Ashley common averge rights. Twenty twenty has been the of life shopping for tech companies. Amazon launched amazon life influences in july and instagram and facebook launched live shopping features in august. Google's rnd division air twenty one also launched shop loop offering non-life shop -able stories. Blake your thoughts on live shopping and whether this has been his breakout year so this year i i definitely wouldn't call it. The breakout year. I would call twenty twenty being the year where the stage has sort of been set for live shopping because a lot of the A lot of the details of the verge article really out lied. The features that have been added by the large facebook instagram amazon. The large entities that are going to sort of become available for influencers using live streaming. I think it's it's it certainly seems like this is in the future for. Us influencers A lot of people are looking to china and seeing how big it is in china and are sort of drawing comparisons. It is a little bit of an apples and oranges situation. Considering that consumer behaviour is very different in china especially when it comes to social commerce which is way more established china in general right now than it is in the us. But like i said the practiser in place there are similar You know influence or follower behavior that we already see right now that could be easily transferred over into the live realm. I'm thinking particularly youtube. Creator content where they do tortorella and triumphs and unboxing videos at very popular. But it's not a huge step for those types of videos to enter a live format especially. Now you've got facebook and instagram. Made a lot of progress. As i said they introduced live shopping. but right now. These products are more geared towards brands. and there isn't a ton of influence or integration yet on facebook on instagram But you can assume that sort of coming next. Facebook typically opens up advertising commerce features two brands first and then follows this by giving these same tools to high profile creators. and i think we could just expect to see the wheels keep turning And then eventually we're going to see more of an adoption of influencers using live streaming with social commerce tied in as these properties become available and They start pushing it in terms of influence brand collaborations but in terms of what we've seen yet in the us Very little so far. So i don't know if is going to happen. Twenty twenty one Gonna take longer. But it's certainly something that i think is on. The horizon is going to be interesting to watch. Yeah there's never a year. Is that always like when mobile. It was like a decade of two the year of my ball The decade of my would probably more appropriate many benefits to this As you mentioned this Live shopping situation actually comment on the verge of not one. Major one is the communication elements twin stream is and abuse major component. Online shopping viewers can ask questions to learn more as we have time for for twitter and Other things thank you so much debbie for joining. Thanks debbie thank you thank you bake. Thank you thank you listeners. To get in touch as a polka dot com. We'll see you guys tomorrow. Episode of the behind them daily remarked. The podcast brought to you by site ball.

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Breaking The Sound Barrier | Who Got to Mach 1 First? | 3

American Innovations

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Breaking The Sound Barrier | Who Got to Mach 1 First? | 3

"Join wondering plus to listen to american innovations one week early and add free and the wonder he app download the wonder yep in your apple or google play mobile app store today from wondering i'm steven johnson. And this is american innovations when the us air force announced that chuck yeager and become the first pilot to break the sound barrier. It changed aviation forever today. Fighter pilots routinely travel at speeds above mach one and some have even exceeded mach five. But yegor didn't do it alone in some aviation historians even think you probably wasn't the first pilot fly faster than sound one of those historians. Dan hampton is here with us today. He's retired air force. Lieutenant colonel decorated combat pilot and best selling off. His books include viper pilot a memoir of air combat and chasing the demon the secret history of the quest for the sound barrier in the band of american s.'s. Who conquered it colonel. Dan hampton welcome to american innovations. Well it's a pleasure to be here. Thanks for the invitation. It's really exciting to talk to you about this. We've we've just heard this story of the kind of historic supersonic flights. Chuck yeager talking to someone who is actually experienced. This extraordinary world And who's written about. It is a real unique opportunity for us. And i just wanted to start with your background. How and why did you become a military pilot. It didn't start out that way. I went to college to be an architect Wanted to be an architect. My dad had been a fighter pilot. He never put any pressure on ac- he wasn't the great santini. I'd been flying little light airplanes. Since i was a teenager but i really had no interest in the military but you probably remember the nineteen eighties and it was you know it was kind of the glory days for all of that top gun at come out and everybody was interested in it. They thought it was cool. And you know. After one summer of drawing details on parchment it occurred to me that may be flying. Jet fighters would be a little bit more exciting so i went through the virtually innumerable wickets that you have to go through to get into the selection process and finally get into pilot training and i was fortunate enough to get a fighter in those days. I'm sure it's still the same. Now you know out of maybe twenty guys that survived the year of pilot training three would go to fighters so it was always really hard to get. I'm really. I'm really glad that i did. Because it worked out well and it was a good way to spend twenty years so you have actually flown past mach want many times more times than i can count. That's amazing. so what is that experience like. It's really a non experience. I mean unless you're down close to the ground which unless you're in combat or on a specific training range in the united states. You really can't do that. Because when you go supersonic the sound waves windows and really rattled people and they don't understand it and it's a big huge boom scares a lot of people in the air force gets all kinds of phone complaints So we don't do it much unless we're in very special places or up above thirty thousand feet or so over the water. We do quite a bit in training and combat. Of course you can do it when everyone wasn't a milestone that you remember the first time since i've actually passed this critical barrier. Yeah in fact they give you a little certificate. The first time. But like everybody else. I think i was mildly disappointed because i was expecting it to be like it is in the movies. You know the the dark circle and the music plays and all that it's really nothing you don't even feel anything in a modern jet. You know you really have to look at the mach meter to know that you've gone past the speed of sound and have you got you've gone beyond that of uganda mock to what is the upper ceiling. That one can fly now. Well hypersonic is of mach five and and test pilots tester. Craft have been doing that. Since the nineteen sixties most operational fighters top out in the low mach two region and. We very rarely ever go that fast. Because that eats a lot of fuel as you can imagine and we don't care that much jetfighters never carry much fuel. So we're very sparing with how fast we go and there's really no need to go that fast if you have to maneuver you really can't because the force of gravity increases exponentially and you probably kill yourself so we intend to hover in the highs sub mock region you know four or five hundred miles an hour or so and we're usually carrying weapons and the weapons all have speed limits on them so you don't you don't wanna over speed those either but it's still nice to be able to go that fast if you had to to get away from something take the road less traveled in the newly redesigned hyundai santa fe with available h. Track all wheel drive to help you get off the beaten path. A little further together and advanced safety features like available blind spot monitor. That can help you see what's on either side of the car. When switching lanes plus with generous room for five and comfortable available nappa leather seating. 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I don't think many people realize that it's not a big traumatic experience. It was when these guys were doing it simply because of the arrow dynamics of the airplane but the concept is simple enough and it really if you imagine watching a boat on a lake and you see the waves come off the bow bow wave and then you see the wake from behind the boat. That's essentially what's happening to an airplane as it goes through the air. Of course you can't see all that but that's what happened. They're both waves. And as you go higher in altitude for one of a better way to put it the air gets thinner. The molecules spread out and so when that happens Planes lose lift a lot of other batter dynamic. Things occurred and essentially when you start to approach mach one. The air can't get out of the way fast enough. Which is what that whole pressure. Wave is about. That causes the kabuki. And that's what was killing a lot of people when they first started to do this because they didn't really fully understand what was happening aerodynamically and they didn't realize that different parts of the airplane were already supersonic and it was affecting the control surfaces in the maneuverability and that's why a lot of guys lost control and died. It is a fascinating part of the story that there was an actual kind of open question whether this was something that was physically possible. It seemed on paper like human beings should be able to travel at that speed but people kept running into trouble and dying every time they tried it is. I think that's one of the things i had such. A you know endlessly fascinating stories. People literally pushing that envelope and then finally discovering that actually if you engineer the planes properly you can be actually a non event as you said. Yeah and you know. They'd known about the supersonic regime for quite a while. I mean you know. Even the the ancient egyptians knew about every time crack a whip. You hear that crack. That's breaking that's going supersonic and even with propeller airplanes the tips of the propellers were often supersonic even with very very slow planes. I think i put a picture in the book of ernst mocks photograph of of a bullet. You know the very first time they could actually see the waves coming off of that thing. And i think that was an eighteen eighty seven so the concept was well known and accepted as you said though it was it was getting the arrow dynamics to catch up with it. That was the problem and they very shortly figured out that instead of having straight wings sweeping the wings back was going to help the salat name figured a lot of this out as they were going and again. It killed quite a few test pilots. But they eventually you know. Got it right trial by air there. These anecdotes of pilots in world war two potentially briefly breaking the sound barrier sometimes in a steep dive. Do you think that this is something that actually happened or is a myth. I don't think it happened in any conventional propeller driven airplane. Because structurally they weren't they weren't strong enough for that and they would not have been able to push their way through mach one. I think they got very close a few times in a lot of guys when that happens. There's a phenomenon called compressibility and basically the molecules in the air packs so tight and the forces are so great on the control surfaces. that pilots can't maneuver the airplane and the controls will lock up and freeze. And if they don't slow down they're going to go straight into the ground that way. That happened a few times you know. Combat people get excited. They die for things. Leave the power all the way up to get going too fast and they become uncontrolled. I think that it did happen with at least with the german rocket interceptor. That i wrote about in in the beginning of the book. You know that thing was rocket powered so it could take off from the ground and go straight up to where the bombers were a very very big hurry and they didn't have to worry about fuel consumption because it was supposed to run out of gas and then they would glide back down to earth and what happened. There was that guy blasted off in germany. You know there's always bad weather. He got into the cloudy got disoriented and he came back down. Inverted screaming at the ground accelerating is going down now and there was evidence that you know people heard the boom before the big boom when he hit the ground so i think i think that happened at least in that case you also have another idea of of someone who may have actually beaten chuck yeager who we focused on a lot in our episodes to crossing the sound barrier which is a pilot named george welsh. Tell us about him. A george wells was a fascinating guy. He'd gone to purdue he was an engineer by trade. He was an instinctive natural pilot. He was one of the two guys that got airborne at pearl harbor and went out to fight the japanese. They had just come in from the officers club. They'd been there all night drinking and gambling. And i think they both went to fly in a tuxedo pants and khakis shirts. I who who among has not done the same. I mean it's a pretty common thing. I've done that a couple of times. Oh yeah well. They were awakened with the japanese attack so they didn't have a whole lot of time to do anything except getting the plane and welsh ended up back in the in the south pacific flying combat missions in new guinea and eventually met his wife and australia and came home and like a lot of guys you know when the war was over he didn't he didn't want to stay in the military. He got offered a job as a test pilot civilian test pilot. Which paid a lot more. And i didn't have to move around every couple of years. So he took that and settled down and became test pilot. And how he gets into this story again is he was out. In at bureauc- it's now edwards air force base and he was the the civilian test pilot for the x eighty six. Which was america's first true jet fighter and he was convinced being an engineer. That that plane could go supersonic in a dive. It had the right design. It had the right engine. Had the right you know construction. It was strong enough to do it. And so why would he not do. It was always my my contention and there were some witnesses that heard. He actually told him to expect to hear this boom because he knew it was and when he went out and flew. I think it was october. I told them. Hey at this time. Listen for that. And he made sure that he was pointed at pancho's happy bottom riding club which is where everybody gathered to drink and corrals when he went supersonic and everybody heard the boom. So why do you think that yeager became the kind of iconic figure of all of this. He's one of the stars of the right stuff both the book and the movie. He's the name that so much more familiar to everyone. Well yeager became famous because the military took the credit for it the newly created. Us air force. This is all political. The air force wanted to be the ones to officially pass the speed of sound the the x one had been flying since december of nineteen forty six to civilian test pilots. The first guy his name was jack williams and the second one was slick goodland. They've been flying this thing since december powered and unpowered. I think they'd had maybe thirty flights. And you know the way it's shown in the movie it sounds like they just delivered this and yeager went goes out and hop senate and takes off and does his thing. And that's that's just not true in any test program with any airplane. The civilian test pilots for the company that built it go through various specific profile to make sure it is exactly what was ordered. Okay and then. When they feel it's ready they will hand it over to the military and then the military test pilots go through a program to make sure. Hey what we ordered is what we got. And yeager was part of the military program which came along well after the civilians had gotten their hands on. Or we're using it. They they could have gone supersonic at any time. You know the was ready. The pilots were both ex military pilots. They knew what they were doing but politically they were not allowed to and in fact. The secretary of the air force threatened the head of the company. Basically saying if you want your billion dollar contract and all the ones that are gonna come later. Then you're not gonna let your pilots do this because we're going to be the ones to exceed the speed of sound and of course being a businessman the guy said. Hey that's fine pay for this and pay us for what comes down the pike and you can do whatever you want to. So that's how y-y-your got involved in it. Actually the guy that they wanted. I was a man named ken. Chelsom who. I wrote about quite extensively in the book. He was the first choice but he didn't want any part of it. He wanted to be the military head of the program for the x eighty six because that was going to be a line fighter jet that was going to be the air. Force's next big leap forward in technology and fighters. He didn't wanna fly a rocket plane because he knew rockets weren't they'd be good for the space program. There's no way you're gonna use one in combat so he declined and fell to yeager basically and nobody was happy with that guy not bell not the other test pilots. He was a good instinctive stick and rudder guy but he was uneducated. He could barely speak. That's why jack ridley was with them everywhere. They needed somebody that could explain the dynamics to him and talk for him because yeager just couldn't do it and that's okay but what really set off the other professional pilots. And i can talk to this since i was one. Yeager was a cowboy. You know the first time he did a glide flight in the x one he did and it's not going to hurt anything but that wasn't in the test profile. He was basically undisciplined. You know he did a bunch of other stupid stuff and they actually tried to get him fired but because of the political stuff i mentioned earlier. They didn't want to start over with a new guy and they realized that sooner or later civilian pilot was gonna go supersonic and one of the test planes or maybe a foreigner would and so they had to go ahead and keep it moving which why got to stay home. I've known people who never get bored with their workouts. They can just go for a run and call it a day. I am just not that person. 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While you gotta remember the context i mean this is nineteen forty seven so the war's been over just at two years and all the professional military men knew that the soviet union was the next big threat and this is the onset of the cold war the first big arms race right. I mean we. We now had like when we had the atomic bomb. And nobody else did. That was a huge game. Changer tactically to have a jet. That can go. Supersonic was a huge game changer. Because now i met the russian bombers couldn't get anywhere near the united states because our guys could intercept him way far away and shoot him down. It also meant that the russians couldn't shoot down our planes because they didn't have weapons capable of tracking anything that fast. There were good military reasons for doing it but they knew right from the beginning that they weren't going to be able to to keep it that you know confined that long but let's just what the military does. It tends to overreact and put a lid on things immediately and then think about it later And and in this case that's what they did. So much of the romance. I think of this period and these figures we're talking about is built around the idea of the test pilot right there's this experimental aircraft and they're pushing the boundaries of what is possible or you know risking their lives because the the machinery is knew how much of that still goes on. You've had a career as a military pilot. Were there similar car test programs where there were new aircraft being tested out that were potentially threatening in the same way that these flights were in late forties but definitely i mean it's all life threatening you know even just a normal training mission in a in a jet fighter is life threatening. I mean you think about flying along at the speed of a rifle bullet pull it one hundred feet off the ground you know you have a quarter of a second half a second to decide and i have lost a fair amount of friends who got distracted for that long and they were gone. You know so yeah. It's all life threatening as far as the test stuff goes you know when i first got in. It was the f. one seventeen. You know the little stealth thing we call it a cockroach because it looked like a cockroach that was the big mystery plane and it turned out to be kind of a non event as well but all testing goes through edwards and then the military test facility is out in nevada. A groom lake area fifty one all that garbage. That's what that is. It's a big test range. I never wanted to be a test. Pilot was. I was a maintenance test pilot but i never went through test pilot school to do the operational stuff or the you know. The pre operational stuff like test pilot. Did i went the other route which was to be a a weapons officer. I went through the top gun school. In the you know the air force equivalent. I became a fighter pilot to be a fighter pilot not to be a a test pilot and most of my friends that went to the test program. Did so. because that's what you have to do to be an astronaut. And they wanted to go be an astronaut to be an astronaut pilot. You have to be a test pilot. Do you remember talking about how life threatening this can be. Do you remember your scariest moment in a plane i had so many. They're all combat related. You were talking about you know going. We're talking about going supersonic earlier. And one time i do remember doing that on purpose was a combat mission right near baghdad. I mean it was like ten miles south and i ended up under an overcast and they wanted me to go do some reconnaissance and some scouting on some vehicles that were coming out of baghdad. And they didn't know. What was there. And i did either and i thought it was a pretty dumb idea. But it came from general so i left my wingman. Uproar was safe. And i dropped down through the clouds and as i came over a lake near baghdad. I could see the only road coming out of the town and it wasn't a couple of vehicles. It was an entire armored division on iraqi armored division and i lit the after burner and i went screaming across that road. I had to have been supersonic. I was too busy watching everything they were shooting at me to to look at the mach meter. But i mean. I had to have been supersonic which probably didn't do them any good when i roared over the top fifty feet and i dropped all my weapons right there on the road and that made me go even faster and i remember when i popped back up through the clouds and i saw the sunlight and i realized i survived again. You know i just felt a relief. Wash over me like it did many many times that was that was a fairly scary moment but again you know it's always like that. There's always stuff like that. That happens i wanted to ask you about something. That's that's not in our recent episodes but given your experience as a pilot. What do you think about the increasing trends towards using drones in military conflict. Certainly it's been a story. That's you know more and more of the story of the way we interact in these conflicts. How does it make you feel as a as a human pilot. I don't have anything against drones. I think they're good surveillance tools. You know they can orbit over something for twenty four hours. No pilot wants to do that. I think they make excellent bates. I would love to send them in. I have them get all shot up and shot down. So i know where the bad guys are but as far as them taking the place somebody like me. It's it's not going to happen. We have yet to build a computer that will think as fast as a human brain and you wouldn't get on a commercial airliner without a pilot. would you right. I mean who's going to do that and that's a very basic simple flying. It's not nearly as complex as military flying and right now. Drones aren't constructed to the point where they could withstand you know seven nine gs and all the other things that fighters have to do so no. I'm not. I'm not worried about it. You know how important it is to foster a culture of equity diversity and inclusion business knowing where to start or focus your efforts well. That's another story. The usc race and equity center can help. They'll provide you with the tools and guidance. Your company needs to cultivate and sustain an inclusive respectful workplace. The usc race and equity center is a dynamic research and organizational improvement center that collaborates with professionals. 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I bought a big sailboat and i went down to the caribbean tried to grow my hair out and see if jimmy buffett was telling the truth about margarita ville. I had enough of that after a couple of years and the war in iraq was still going on and so i got into the private military business. If you're familiar with that and spent a few years as a private military contractor and i had a few more close calls and after one more particularly harrowing one my wife had just given birth to our little boy. And i thought you know what i better write some of this down before something permanent happens to me which was the genesis of the memoir. The first book that i wrote called viper pilot. I had no idea it would do that. Well this was about the same time. You know chris. Kyle came out with the american sniper and people were thrilled with all of this stuff. And i had a really good publisher. Harpercollins didn't get any bigger than that and the thing just took off and they said we'll do you have any other ideas and i said well. Yeah as a matter of fact. Here's two or three. And they said what about this one. And so i wrote lords of the sky which is a fighter pilots and they just kept going. You know one after the other after that we would. We would discuss different ideas and been doing it ever since so no complaints. Yeah i find your story really inspiring because mostly what i do is write books and so you went from being a military pilots who reading books. I'm thinking maybe i can go from. Running books to military pilot is that is that something. That's in the cards for me. I don't think so it ends up at fifty two. I don't think it's It's going to happen but actually ito. This is one of the things i wanted to ask you about. The civilian experience of breaking the sound barrier was something that briefly for twenty or thirty years one could do find the concord and it's an interesting technological thing that we have actually gone kind of backwards in terms of what ordinary people can do in their experiences. You you can no longer buy a ticket and get on a plane and fly faster than the speed of sound. Normally we don't get slower as a society technologically So one question is do you. Think that commercial supersonic flight is gonna come back you know. That's that's a good question. And i really don't have a solid answer. It was discontinued more from a logistical standpoint than anything else. Like i said going supersonic uses a lot of fuel and i gather that that airplane was almost always out of gas. You know which i can understand. It had to fly across the atlantic ocean. We did that all the time. But we always went with tankers air tankers full of fuel. And we would refuel in flight and concord of course never never did that with the advances in more efficient engines and better fuels and so forth and whatnot. It see maybe somebody trying it again. It'd probably be more economical now but the next big leap for aviation at least you know within our terrestrial realm would be hypersonic flight and again right now. That's strictly the province of the military. What are you most excited about. In terms of the near future of flight are there. Breakthroughs will be as exciting as ones that you've written about in the past. Oh certainly i you know i was. I was pretty excited about the mars exploration and the fact that. They're two very soon if they haven't done it already. They're they're going to fly a helicopter a drone off the surface of mars. I think that's that's pretty cool. And i'd like to see a lot of the time effort money and brains get diverted back into the space program but that's all tied to real world budgets and politics and as long as we keep having people that want to bring down this country than i. I don't foresee a whole lot of that happening. But i wish it would. I think that's very fascinating very interested. So much of the period that you have written about in the we covered the episodes on the the sound barrier take place during the cold war right at the beginning of the cold war and so much of the space races at the very height of the cold war. How much of that competitive pressure trying to advance you. Know ahead of the russians during that period drove the innovation and do we have a comparable sense of a competitive force out there in the world. That is driving us forward today. You know almost certainly. It was a result of exterior political pressures. Real politics People were frightened and for good reason back then. The soviet union really thought they were in a position to loot the world. And i am convinced that the deterrence that was fostered all those years Through our military kept them from trying it. You know what would have happened. Who knows that you know. That's why we ended up fighting surrogates in in korean vietnam and to a lesser degree. You know in the middle east. When i was there because the superpower's didn't actually go to war with each other but it i think it could have happened and i think it was a healthy respect. Any fear of our technological capability that kept the soviets in particular. You know muzzled. They never forgot that you know. They they marched into berlin on ten million of. Us made boots you know. This is the worker's paradise but they couldn't make their own military equipment to the degree that we could you know that's what lynn lease was all about. They would not have succeeded as wildly as they did. In europe had it not been for the vast amounts of airplanes tanks bullets underwear boots and everything else that we gave them to continue fighting. And i think they were always a little bit wary of that. You know are immense industrial capacity and are very very good technical abilities. I'm just finishing writing another book now. And it's ending in tokyo in nineteen forty five and one of the reasons. I postulate that the bomb was dropped for all good military reasons concerning japanese but it was also to remind the soviet union of who we were and what we could do because they were on their way to taking as much as they could. And i think the us military and the political leaders wanted to stop that. Now ask for today. Most military technology finds its way into the civilian world. I mean that's why you and i have an internet. You know all these other cool gadgets and it all came out of military research and development which in turn came about because of some crisis real imagined or otherwise. The military and the r. and d. process can do magnificent things when it's properly motivated and as you alluded to. I think the cold war was a big source of motivation for it. Well colonel. Dan hampton thank you so much for being on american innovations. It's been a fascinating conversation. We we've learned a lot and we also thank you for your service. Thanks for being here. Oh well thank you. That was my conversation with dan. Hampton retired fighter pilot and bestselling author of chasing the demon a secret history of the quest for the sound barrier and the band of american aces. Who conquered it next. 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Next Stop Everywhere: The Doctor Who Podcast

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"Everywhere. Hello again. Everyone. Welcome back to next stop everywhere attack who podcast on whether your co host Charles Skaggs. The Tartus once again ready to talk more classic doctor who with my wonderful partner in time wonderful friend and men who wants to turn Texas. Blue Jesse Jackson how'RE YOU DOING JESSE I am boy as we're recording this we are less than a week away justice. Yes, I am going We got a new springsteen album in October. We get a new president November and a new doctor who episode Dude Doctor. A new doctor who episode in December we will have. The final quarter would have salvaged the worst year ever. Maybe, we can stick the landing on twenty twenty. We'll see what happens. Here in America, we've got seven days until the US presidential election God only knows what's going to happen. So. Yeah. To quote a beach. Boys Song. Right. Yes, and we are you're in Ohio I'm in Texas and They are both states that it is going to be tough for Texas to be blue but the hope is Ohio maybe we'll see I don't know. I think we're pretty much on the same boat as you guys unfortunately. But fingers crossed we wingers. As certain Jesse, Jackson likes to tell me keep hope alive. Absolutely. So once upon a time I used to remember hearing that back in the day. All right. But but in the meantime, as we wait to find out the future of humanity as we know it, we're GonNa talk here episode two six we're going to talk time lash time time last. Yeah. What are the most notorious episodes from the classic era? Written by Glenn McCoy who never wrote ever again for doctor who. Directed by it Roberts who directed previous episodes, the face of evil. The Sun makers, the pirate planet, which is one of my particular favorites because, hey, it's from Douglas had him script and where's the deep which was another really bad episode from the Classic Era. So. this was the fifth serial from season twenty two, the infamous season, twenty, two, nineteen, eighty-five starring, of course, Colin Baker as the sixth doctor in Nicholas Bryant as perfect Gilliam Peri Brown. So I'm looking forward to getting your thoughts on this one. Obviously I know you haven't seen this one before, but this is something that generally I tend to go out of my way to avoid although I've seen it a few times over the decades. So it's not like I haven't watched this before in watching it again, but it's certainly not one of my favorites. So I'm looking forward before you get into the cast from the trivial when I, want to get your general reaction on this one. So I think you did a great service Charles by setting expectations, Jesse this is not a good episode. So Larry Leah lowered the bar. So when you lower the bar, you kinda go oh It's not that bad like I use the example on Farscape. Jeremiah. CRICHTON, yeah. A lot of people say is one of the worst farscape episodes and I'm like I. It wasn't that bad. I've seen worse episode. So this one was. Like okay, I certainly see the cheesiness on some of it and when we get to some specific topics, I'll bring up things but you know it I certainly have seen. Episodes, I've enjoyed I've I've had episodes I've enjoyed worse. So this ended up being a nice little partner for me not in great two-parter. But not a bad way to spin Sunday afternoon. But. Also, maybe I watched this after having the cowboys just poo poo all over the floor. It's like US compared to the cowboys anything looks. This is true. The two and five cowboys. Yes. They scored a field go. Against a team that has no name as opposed to the five into. Brown's absolutely up as he saw that coming in twenty twenty. Yeah, exactly. So. We'll see but we will get into football because, hey, that's another podcast we're the doctor. And we're GONNA talk some doctor who all right. So guess cast this time we had Robert Ashby as the Borad a Mega Lynn and we Paul Darrow as Tekere, and he previously played Captain Hawkins in the Jon Pertwee era serial, the Cy Laurent's, and he also played a character named guidance in a big finish audio for the eighth doctor. Paul mcgann called the next life and I know that certain John Tax will be all over me like a cheap sutin. Give me all kinds of grief if I don't mention that he also played Kerr Avon Blake seven which I know blake seven's a particular favorite of of John So i WanNa give him some appreciation there and interestingly enough Paul Darrow. was also in the movie die. Another day although his scenes were cut so they show up on the deleted scenes I guess. So just started mentioned that. Dennis Carey played the I. Guess You WanNa call them the fake Borat. The old man guys of the Borad and we just recently saw him not too long ago as Professor Cornutus in shot up if you recognize him from that serial and he also played the keeper in the keeper of trucking, which I've mentioned on numerous occasions is the very first story that I've watched all the way through and got me hooked on Dr Hill thought I'd give him a little special not there Eric Deacon plays mic gross and Janine Crowley plays Veena the actress who has a considerable trouble finding her line. Of site and seems to be looking at cue cards or something completely offstage while she's talking to characters right in front of her. If you notice in this episode, she turned up later an episode of the Young Indiana Jones chronicles and we also had David Chan playing Herbert George Wells who gets revealed, of course, H.. G. Wells at the very end of the episode. But unfortunately, throughout most of these story, he's very annoying as Herbert and we'll talk about him obviously, and lastly we had Ding Hollingsworth as android who turns up later in Silvester McCoy era episode, the greatest show in the galaxy. As the bus conductor. If you remember that character just thought I'd mention those actors and as some of the more notable characters in this rather UN notable story in my opinion Trivia Game in the twenty ten Sarah Jane, Adventure Story Death of the Doctor Joe Jones the former joke rant recounted her visit to the planet carful explaining quote the doctor took me to the planet once called carful and they had a leisure garden in the plants could sing although interestingly enough and I'm sure this is probably one of Jesse's questions that the reference in the story in time lash a previous adventure that. The third doctor, Joe Hat on. carful. But we never got to see that adventure. It never happened as far as the TV viewers were concerned it happened completely off camera and so the referencing something that as far as we know we knew nothing about and yeah I did a little research to know that I know one of the Trivia is that IMDB and you may be going to mention this that originally they were GonNa try to talk that it was the the first doctor had visited, and that's why there were so many they mentioned only one it actually worked for me. because. We watch things out of order. It felt normal to me like, oh, they're if they're talking about episode, we just haven't watched yet. So it didn't bother me and I even know that I know now they never showed it That's actually selling point for me that they wing know their ventures that we don't see between episodes. So I, kind of thought that was kind of Nice to kind of make. A reference to something that had not happened just because it seems very Dr Huish Yeah I keep you. You would think that maybe big finish would do that episode or that story some day I. Don't know if they have or not already. But as far as I know they haven't. So if they if they did please write in incorrect me on this one but I just think it's something that well if. You're going to reference a previous adventure at least let's get to see it and might be a good idea for big finish story I don't know I agree. So Jesse just mentioned about that this was originally written for the first doctor in of course along with Ian and Barbara and Susan who visited carful in the original script but you also mentioned that a small part of this remains win tekere was talking. About that one companion. So he he's like you know what? There's only one of them which makes no sense because if the third doctor was there with Joe, that was the only companion he had at that time. So he shouldn't make that comment whatsoever. So just another error in the final version of the script, but he never bothered to take out or caught. Yeah and then they filmed it. So go figure. You think you noticed it when they filmed it but I guess not the story was also originally submitted as a Dalek adventure but was rejected by scripted error. Eric's award who asked Glenn McCoy. To resubmit it without them so they. Have the dialects they took the Dallas out and the script also gave the explanation for the destruction of the band role and apparently they were originally called the girdles. R. E. E. L.. which is at least a better name than girdle their missile that at the end when the doctor can have takes the Tartus and put them in front of the missile and then comes back and Perry's Kinda surprised he was like well, Hey, survived how'd you do that in the doctor's like well, explain some day originally though they were going to actually do an. Explanation was that the warhead was neutralized when the missile contacted the Tarsus time field so I don't know why you wouldn't just say that and then you move on instead of just going well explained some day and then just kind of leave it hanging that Oh hey, the doctor just showed up you don't know how he survived that thing he thought he was going to die in. This is a good place to bring this. I was going to bring this up on we go to our topic of the doctor. Colin Baker is not served well. By many things and I think shows how well he's done in finish and even how well he is in the Peter Davison story of them, you know to celebrate the fiftieth anniversary where you know he plays himself and in for as as enjoyable he has as conventions you you. He could have done. In a different era I think he could have done really well as doctor I I personally I all the blame or at least most of the blame up to Eric's. Award John Nathan Turner yes editor in the in the Producer because one of the things that one of the Little Trivia bits I wasn't going to mention, but I might as well now since you brought it up apparently director pennant Roberts was very concerned that the doctor and Peri were arguing so much like the hidden even WanNa be near each other and so he was just so turned off by the unpleasantness he asked swore war to kind of try to tone down their arguments so that make make the doctor more likable. And so so war tried to do some of that guess but apparently, it wasn't enough and so you know, I, just had it just find it odd that you know ward had to be told that like hey, you know you really making the doctrine likable here so I can't deal with that. You know that's not the doctor who story wanted direct. Yeah absolutely. I don't know what director would want direct a story where the doctor is so unlikable again. I, agree it just Know, they did a lot I guess during the capacity era. So go figure campaign capacity had a certain gruffness to him but you also he had there there were signs of him being carrying their you know they have the the music you know. He was a more full character and I just don't think Colin got the chance to do that, right? Yeah. I, agree with you I don't think he was served well by his era and thankfully BEC- finishes win a long way to redeeming his as we've talked about several times. Yeah and I, do think I joked about US talking about this but it would be a very quick discussion. By Far Turner is the worst show runner I mean, there is hardly a I. In fact, I would make I. I would expect you like I would almost do the challenge like, okay. Give being. Can you come up with five good things? He did as show runner because I just it seems like the more we talk shows during here's era. They are things that we don't like about and not just you and I is off. That's a really good question I could come at least one right off my top of my head. He replaced Tom Baker with Peter, Davison when Tom Baker, left. Okay. So yes, that is an excellent cast. That's an excellent choice. Yes. Yes. So that's that's at least one good thing that he did as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, I'm sure it could come up with another list but you know not while we're talking about right now. Yeah. Yeah, I understand. Pop Quiz. What Yeah. Well, okay. Here's my top five list of why Jane t doesn't suck but okay. All right. Now, let's see one last little bit of Trivia here. Actually I got two more. So this serial makes several references to wells, novels, including, of course, the time machine, the worthy worlds, the invisible man and the island of Dr Moreau. So I they were too subtle for me to get. Yes. I got a little bit of time machine, but I was Lik I. Knew You had told me in advance like we meet hd well, so and I don't know if we were supposed that was supposed to be a surprise or not but you because I knew it. Surprise but it's not that great of a surprise. So I didn't mind spoiling it. No, no no but I did not see a lot of and in. So I I guess I didn't take time to try to Google HDL references in episode. Well, you had to kind of war of the worlds between the war between carful and the bangles is in. The Island of Dr Moreau were scientists, experiments, turning humans into animals. So okay. Yeah I see. The villain having the grotesque face. Okay. Yeah. I see that yet obviously, the Tartus in the time machine. Yeah. The doctor appearing invisible like the. Uses. The time crystal. Okay. Yeah. kind of like that and then also. Vena Essentially being the inspiration for Weena, who is the female character lead in the time machine when the time traveller goes to the future and then of course. Of course, you had the morlocks which you know they the creatures, the Mo are. Ex in this story but of you know in the future the Morlocks M. O.. R. L. O. C. K. 's. Are. Or you know the just. The. The. The the kind of cruel disfigured mutants in the future. Very Nice Charles now see I did put you on the spot immediately. Okay, at least I got something right right. So just a kind of a heads up there but and. Previously Wells presence in the universe was referenced when the war the world's was seen being read by the master in the Jon Pertwee. Era Story Frontier in. Space. And would later be acknowledged again with both the seventh doctor and the eighth doctor read the time machine in the nineteen ninety-six movie. which has at, which was a great way to book the story in my opinion because at the beginning, you have the the seventh doctor just kinda chilling in Tartus control the that gorgeous gothic. Design Control Room where he's got kind of like a library nearby and he's got a nice little sitting chair and he's got a gramophone playing. Some some a singer that Like Billie holiday although wasn't Billie holiday and They're sitting there reading the time machine, and then of course, you know he lands somewhere in you know goes out it's shock it's killed regenerates goes through his whole entire adventure at the end of the story he goes back into his Tartus takes off the materializes and then goes back and picks up his book right where he left off and keeps reading in his new incarnation. which is an ice. Yeah it was great. Very nice. So of course, it's a it's. A little on the nose to have the doctor reading the time machine but you know. Were trying to do I guess to sell that to American audiences. Absolutely. All right three topics today. because. I want to talk about this as less as possible. I guess. Topping number one. As Jesse said, let's talk about the sixth doctor. But let's also in this segment talk about Herbert. H. G.. And we get through in Vina. As. Well. Because the six doctor has a part where he gets to go back to. Scotland in the nineteenth century in eighteen eighty five. And that's where he encounters each G. Wells who kind of Stowe's away on his in his Tartus. As the doctors trying to bring Vina Bac with the That Medallion or whatever that she's got. The macguffin, the macguffin, the amulet yes? Yes. Yes, definitely macguffin in the story. So So what did you make of the sixth? Doctor obviously. We talked about how he's not very likable in the story at all. He's arguing with everybody's arguing Perry's arguing with Herbert. And? Argue with bag is but we normally don't have a problem with that. Right and in in of course, Herbert and Venus. So what do you make of these characters? So. To bring us back to football for a few minutes. there used to be fans that when the Tampa Bay buccaneers I started they said I can't watch them because their uniforms are so ugly that bright art. Yes. That was just an UN likeable uniform There are not only to Orange Brown or white of the certain Cleveland Brown exactly there. You know The sports station I listened to will they have a character called the uniform czar and we'll talk about what a good look something is or how you know how this this uniform is so unstable Almost, impossible. To Watch this team, there's no way. This team can be good with that bad of a uniform and I think of that every time I pour Colin you're just like this is by far the worst. Outfit that a doctor ever had to wear I mean. Why did why and I know that Turner Love Wyan print shirts and in you know when he wanted this but but. I during the summer where Hawaiian shirts because I'm a man of size in you're supposed to. But even they can be he doesn't look like a patchwork. Jacket or something like it just it looks horrible Well, so I guess. Yeah. Yeah, and I don't. Completely. It's supposed to be completely tasteless. That's what John Nathan Turner wanted. So, why would you want your main character to wear tasteless close why would you want your being character to be unlocked, likely unlikable and not like in the Dabney Coleman Carrico Buffalo Bill, which is an old sitcom where or they will you know heart where the William Hartnell. I. Even then there is some. Just. Isn't as bad as poor Colin Char so even after all these stories that we've talked about about Collins by now. Still fixate. On on Collins. I cannot get past that I cannot get past that costume and just it is You know how there is the technology that you can take smoking out of classic movies. So won't offend. They need to go back in and get. His costume you CGI, is concentrated like, wow, this is a better episode. That's an interesting idea. I'm surprised some fans I haven't done that. By now. To, kind of replaces entire uniform with a solid black suit and see how he does. He's It's an interesting. It's an interesting story I. Do not hate it I thought it was I think one of the other Trivia I read is this was the last time. The classic error referenced a actual historical figure. Yeah. Okay. All right. So I, I, do think that Herbert was played a little bit too much like a fool. I. Little Bit could have I think you could've? I. I think this is going to sound horrible Charles Yeah. So please forgive me. Captain. This script needed someone to touch it up who loves DR WHO Right like you like yours. Yes someone who loves DR WHO and say Okay I get the idea you WanNa show that Herbert is kind of this clumsy young person but I can make him a likable. Kim Not Understand the doctor should be a little standoffish, but you've got to show a little bit of charm a little bit nice. You know they need to do this make him a little bit socially awkward. But you know well-meaning not just not just complete oh for not buffoon. Yeah, and in show how smart he is like this is I'm smart, but I socially and In there needs to be. But They once they told the story of modern family. that. They. Had A joke that Tiber. Now, who played Phil Dunphy the lead one of the leads can they had a joke for him and they said, we absolutely know that the actor would kill it. It would be funny but. We have to understand that we we have to show why Claire Loves this guy in if you make him totally Ado Fus, you you you move them why cleared with like him if he's that and I think the same thing, right? Like you have to show why Perry wants to hang with the doctor, there has to be something in there. And it's kind of like with the simpsons where every. So often they have to remind the audience why Marge is still married to homer. Absolutely. Perfect. Yes. You know and. They don't in this episode you know I I did Though it, it is always fun to see the doctor being smart coming up with an idea It. He it show them because he gets to build that little time device with the crystal and uses intellect in that way to outwit the Borad. Yeah and immediately he understood he's a relic takes Tartus in front of the misery. Yeah In the going into the the very cheesy time last. Yeah. The you mean. You mean the device that everybody seems to like. He to go into, but somehow ends up right in front of and then just happens to accidentally fall into at some point or another word through the skin. It makes it look like a cave it's like. The special effects is so bad it like he's just fell into a cave well, well, you know more than most of the time it kind of looks like when you're seeing that little triangle entryway, the gateway, it just looks like somebody put up some tin foil behind it. And then through and some lights to check her on and off. It looks like something high tech. But then when the doctor goes with a rope, it does look like he's sparkling or something really your here's Pelinka speed lung king that. You See. Down into the timeless which. Remember you know like when the air the time lashed they kind of like shimmer and disappear. That's not what happens when he goes belonging. Okay. Just lowered me down and. Then, he surrounded by all these kind of Styrofoam Sort of things that are supposed to look like crystals poking out but then there's like Chris, but then there's like Christmas tinsel and. Just, a whatever listening thing was lying around at a at a novelty shop. Trying to this look high tech. If they had said that well. the time lash will conform to something in your mind. So therefore, this looks like the. Caves of Anna, Donnelly or something. That's why yeah or something yeah I, you know I mean it. It it just looked pretty silly I. Like I said because you told me, this is a bad episode I was able to go. Yeah. That's one of the reasons why Charles saying it was bad. Okay. This you know. So you and I say I said that then yeah. But I do think that as you said, the doctors very heroic, he seems to have a you know he has a purpose he knows what he's trying to do He has some charming moments he cares about. Other. We kind of forget about it for a good portion of story. Well of course, you know that's The companions we'll think about them in a little bit. So. Whatever they get in danger then I'll start thinking about him but. Yeah and The the female kind of lead I'm drawing Vera. Vena. So. Like I talked about this actress who is just horribly wooden inner delivery and just like. Say if I'm looking straight ahead and I'm trying to talk to you she's looking like off in the off to the side or like up or down, and just it's it's so bad. It's like. Are you even an act actor at this point is how did they pull you off the street or what? Yes. So listeners. As long as ban with this good. Charles. And I look at each other guide. Yeah. So. Yes he is. He is deliberately looking off Jeff Jeff. This story to like yes. Yes. Jessie I. Think this is just turn Kim yet. Yeah. She was a I actually thought the character was pretty strong I. mean she she had. You know they're forcing her to marry someone she didn't care about. She was concerned about her father She goes back in you know she goes to Earth gets rescued They seem to be her in Herbert kind of have a little bit of content. Better accuracy, you could have seen that. The potential was that would have been really interesting and I go back to, but it's the execution unfortunately. Exactly. I agree yeah it's yeah. So you like the idea, but it's just the way it was carried off. That didn't live up to that potential. I totally agree. Now, what's your thoughts now? Seeing this multiple times. Yeah. It's been. It's been at least a decade since I've watched this. So some kind of watching. were. There things you saw about the doctor that you went. Okay. Yes. This you know finding some good points. Well. Again, I don't really have I mean I I like Colin, Baker I I. Really Agree he's he was a doctor at least on TV with potential in thankfully big finish up to realize that potential like we've talked about but. Here. He so let down by the script. which has him arguing just telling everybody to shut up he's just like you just like one. One wrong statement away from just like completely trying to choke somebody like he did Perry in the twin. Dilemma. He's about to just completely blow his top when. At the end of the story when when he's In there in the Tartus with Herbert and Herbert, just prattling on and on and on about. ridiculous things while the doctors trying to concentrate on trying to stop the missile. In doing something oh I don't know important to kind of save the planet whatever and. I just he's. It seemed so unnecessary. Or you know just seems so unpleasant to watch and I felt bad for Colin Baker watching this, you know just. Knowing, how how good he could have been after listening to all the the big finish ideas and I just I feel myself just kinda depressed. At you know. The way his doctor was treated by award and Johnathan Turner. I just it kind of just makes me grit my teeth a little bit. Thinking about just how much better his doctor could have been in how much? The show could have been and probably maybe been saved for a few more seasons had hit a handle that his doctor better. Yet and I know you could talk all you want about. Reduction in budgets. Yeah and therefore special affects but. In Alex. Yeah. But good writing. Can do things. For example, I was listening to a podcast with talking to Aaron Sorkin. he was talking about his new film dress. And all that. Yeah. Yeah. So who's film? The trial Chicago seven? He said because he couldn't afford the budget. He showed very little the riots and the nineteen, Sixty, eight, a convention. He said in similar to Spielberg doing jaws that they didn't show bruce the fake shark because it wouldn't work that ended up making it a better film because you used your imagination, you had to do that so. We you can get past the bad special effects in a bad budget. Partly if you have smarter writing if you have better stories, you know. And you have an innovative director. That can that can use things like, oh, I don't know shadows to conceal less than impressive monsters or less than impressive aliens. You know make them look better as a result because you know, hey, they're kind of hidden in shadow in there for more mysterious absolute your Jones Yeah? Yeah. All right. Anything else about the doctor Herbert or Venus. Nope, Moon address. All right. Top number two. Let's move on. Let's talk about Perry. This time we talked about six doctor. Let's talk about Jerry. Poor Perry in this episode. We also can throw in the rebels. All of to apparently named cats and Cezanne. A bunch of expendable get to know. Everything as well. Throw in the morlocks because. Perry spent a good chunk of the story tied up on a post waiting to be transformed into kind of like a half woman half morlock morlocks creature like. I guess. So because the because the head. Needs a woman and. These a little sweet love and down by the fire apparently. Yeah. Yeah so I'm watching this episode on Sunday. And she's running away. Perry figures out how to unlock the door. and. She goes from this brand new sparkling modern looking. Corridor? Yes to Oh, I'm in an ancient cave. Yes. You're like, wait what we're what is the transition here something like okay. Go with it just. It was kind of like, okay. Yeah. This see this door leads to the the the the the area we don't go into. Yeah. Like not a fire escape it leads to somewhere just over there. It's kind of like then the junk room in your house where you have all your stuff politics like your order on on the TV. Show that they don't want anybody to see if they come over to visit. Now. I don't remember the name of the monster that she runs into the morlocks. Yeah. Okay. Is that is that the is that the triumph the insult dog No no no. No? No No. No. That's the bangles. The Alien. Okay. Yeah. Okay. At the the the ones they were the the. The Bandra puppets were the things that carful was gonna go. To. War with. The fired missiles. So the more lots are the are the kind of like. Dinosaur looking. Monsters, that Borad is half. morlocks. So she's in this cave yeah. Right and she's in the the the IT I. Swear it looks like triumph the insult dog that puppet that bad like it did and she's Moving back and forth move get nowhere getting closer and she's like. It's like, okay. They're not even close to you Perry. Yes. Step back. Really. Really horrible so bad. It was funny and then for me to poop on. Yes exactly. Bright did not look like the. Kind of looked. More to me was like, okay, they built like the head and it didn't really move apart from. His mouth kind of opening a little bit and this big long tube and all they were Kinda. Steering the tube around trying to poke it at at Perry's and Perry. Nikola, Brian supposed to be racking this looking terrified when it just looks just looks like something that's out of a out of a great school play. Yes, it does. Yes absolutely and. Perry is a good companion. You know she didn't. Win Excuse me when well, yes? Yes. I, I got to see her and it was a very small convention in Dallas both with. Colin. Baker and her in. They did a panel together. There was a lot of banter back and forth a lot of very fun discussion You know. She you know and. It's one of the. The issues of classic who right is they? They sometimes don't know what to do with the companion like, okay. We need to put her in danger or him endanger doing. Need you know they have to do this So you know she got a little bit of screen time. So that's good. Yeah, and but I did think was just very odd the transition from the quarter to that and her keeping. Chasing away like they choked her with that that was a veered looking. It's like sem collar on you know that they were using to drag round by the guard and Grit Image in two thousand and twenty no, it's not a good luck and. It had to be sure pretty unpleasant for Nikola, Brian having to be dragged along this thing. But Yeah just it was not a good look for for the show or for for Perry at that point. I did like you know Like the writer Glenn McCoy Finally Remember that Oh hey, Perry has botany background. So let's make answer that a little bit because Perry's you know interested in the plants. That you know when when Tekere, takes takes them in and greets them, and they they go to the Kinda like this like waiting room or whatever, and they're kind of hanging out, and there are these plants and berries just kind of naturally very interested in them because that's she's a botanist. So so she goes to the plants and in the first thing you know somebody says well. Don't get close those because hey, does plants spit acid and. That was pretty much. So. So It's just mostly as as just kind of like trying to get some dinner down that aisle. She did throw that plant that had the acid. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. So that they did have the checkoff plant. Show it in the first. Act Show. So I did you did it but I did. With it but yeah. I think. See. That later could that if what's again if for rewriting this and heaven knows I don't know why they haven't called a Strauss to rewrite some of these. Right we are available some kind of yeah. We could have used some subplot email about some of the plants and what to do, and we could have had that you know to use her expertise I agree with you. Yeah there's. It part of the thing is that they they the kind of a big mistake I think when they created Perry the meaner meteoroid botanist that that that was her background because it's not overly helpful while you're time travelling I mean sure you can identify some plants here and there or like hey, is this is great. I get to go out and go to Alia world and see alien plants okay? Great. But it. Doesn't really add that much the story. There's not enough story potential than say by making the character a doctor like Martha Jones up you know police officer or You know like a tribal person like Leela petition. For, a reporter Yeah Yeah like Sarah Jane archaeologists like River, Song Yeah where they guess It's not you know the most helpful skillset I'm just saying so So consequently. Perry doesn't really have that much to do apart from O'hare. Okay. I guess. I could try to meet some locals but apparently, all the locals are being jerks so You that kind of puts that to an end the kind of essentially right themselves no quarter with her. And so all they can do to think of what. Well, what do we do with? Perry well, we'll just have a chained up and then we'll kind of drag her around every so often and threatened her and she to scream a lot. Great. Exactly Yeah So. So it had to be very disappointing although we she does hook up with some rebels and they I. Guess you know help to kind of like stir up a little bit of a revolt. But but. Apart from that, she doesn't that. Por- Perry doesn't get to do much apart from be a victim in the story, and that's another reason why I just don't like the story because of the way Perry served in it. Because I am Nikola Bryant Fan so I agree I totally agree with that. Okay. Anything else about Perry, the rebels or the morlocks. Bad Grade School. Elementary School play puppet. Yes absolutely. All right. Well, speaking of puppets. Let's move on and talking to three. So let's talk about Malin tekere are in the Borad are big bads of the story. And let's also talk about the bangles who essentially are kind of like the triumph the insult comic dog. With with you know like. Orange. The orange you know like kind of A. Rib Lips and going. A We. How your knocking We yeah. We would like to establish reestablish peace treaty with but but because of how million Teke treated us, we are now going to attack and kill all of you. Yes. Yes. You you have not. You've cut away our food lines. Accu Oh. We will have to tell Gal afraid the death of the doctor. Yeah. They were. They were. They were so just bad. So. Yeah, I. Don't know about you. But immediately when I saw the android I went, Hey, we can talk about the historic. Let's talk about the. Their there that's BRAINIAC five colors. Equal skin and hair revert well reverse it's not. I don't know maybe it's me maybe it's because I'm colorblind but I don't I think it was more like kind of a purple dark purple. So in my blood looked mark greenish. Okay. Maybe it's. Maybe, it depends on your. Tips. Yes. But it it looked almost green and yellow to be so and I could have the TV done wrong. But it looked brainiac five for me at the android and that made me smile The speaking of which only had one guy pleaded android to save money. So they put him in different scenes and you're supposed to go like, Oh, I guess that's a different android. Yeah like. Confusing it's not along with you now. I did find. The and and I'm GONNA have the names wrong right the the the scheming bad Guy Tucker Wright, the one. A, I'm sorry. Easter Tekere Malin. Malin, Malin Tiger. That's what I meant to do that joke right when you call them like Malin like he sits there and goes yeah. Come to this chamber with me I think I'm going to recommend you and then when he gets there, it's all his fault throw you under the bus right? Yeah. That's Yeah just if he's that guy at the office that tries to be your friend or acts like he's your friend, but then we'll throw you under the bus the very first opportunity yeah. Yeah Tekkers a pretty decent villain. I mean he was it was cheesy but he was it was it was fun and you. Really liked I mean I was glad I I liked hating him like, okay. This guy, he was neuter villain. Yes. Yes and those are always fun. Yeah. Essentially tekkers this guy who obviously has very ambitious. He helps to kill the the previous the previous male and excuse me who just happens to be Venus Dad. and takes over as male in because that's what he's got sites on but he's he's totally team Borad. Until. At the very end of the story where the Borad reveals. Well, Hey, you know I just wanted to get rid of everybody including you taecker and That way I can repopulate the world in my own image, and so he he starts to do like. Crap I've totally been on the wrong horse and. He tries to like. Resist a little bit at the very end. But of course, he ends up getting aged to death by the BORAT. down. because. We. Aren't watching this in order. When they don't show the. The leaders face I'm like Oh. Is it the master again or is this you know? Is it somebody were also the? No so you thought might be a previous villain. I thought a little bit of that. I suspected, it wouldn't be because What did you see the flipper and your go like, Oh, I don't know who that is. Yeah exactly. Yeah. but it's probably not someone that we're supposed to know but you know when they also throw in. The doctor had been here before. You know I thought Oh maybe it's supposed to be someone we knows so You know. When they did the final, the actual reveal and the villain turned around in his chair and he's all done done done and he's got half of aim morlocks face. What did you make of that? You know I went. Okay. cheesy special effects. What I thought was the worst Charles is the You know the idea that she couldn't have mirrors and the shallowness of that's our. If Perry saw you and you're hitting this. There's no way she'd ever be with you. So you know like this this all about. This. Outer appearance is the reason why he's a bad person not because he's trying to. Destroy the world it's like, oh no because you're ugly heaven forbid that this anything good happens to you. Well, what think was the doctor realized that the Bora was probably vain About the serums because about his hideous appearance because of getting those mirrors. Revoked. So he just decided a prey on that and use that as a way to kind of You, know get to. Needle the the Borat in aggravate him. And And just kind of wind him up a little bit that. You know. Even, if you turn her into. A half morlocks like you you know she's still going to think you're ugly dude she's not going to want to be with you. Know. So yeah, it's like and if you and if you do this, you know you're treated like this, you know. There's no way she's GonNa Hook up with you man. So it's not happening, and so he's using that to just aggravate in just frustrate the bread I. Don't know what do you tended to do with that maybe hope the Borad would get. So upset, he would make a mistake I don't know. But and I know I'm kind of going back to grew or maybe just. A jerk. Could be dumb way. When one of the things that? I've been I'm learning not that I want to be but because of podcast I'm listening to as that when you're doing a magic trick The reason why they say okay now. and. They repeat what happened Okay Charles I gave you a free choice in the car. You know they repeat everything going to happen and I'm like, why are they doing that and they say that stupid button the effect that is you need that to get the audience so. Rewriting this, right. You get Herbert back in the Tartus you take him back. You have him leaving yes, and and he goes Gosh so much to think about in the doctor could have said, well, you know. Be, something interesting to write about wouldn't it? And you know and then like Oh yeah I guess that would be interesting to write about any goes and in periods like what was that about and he says she dropped this then you've got to reveal its HD wells. Yes you know then you have a little bit you've button the idea that all the adventures have him. Influenced him to write that story. They don't do that. They don't even they just show the they show the car and then it's kind of. in an episode q credits while it was kind of like left to the. I guess they wanted to leave it up to the viewer like Oh. It's H. G. Wells he must've been inspired by his adventures. Without without actually stating that. But I think would have been better served if you bet but you can close the loop and like I said. Because you set the. It was a perfectly fine to episodes. Yeah. You know I i. You know I I certainly spent less. I've watched things that I dislike lot more but you're right. This is not one that I'm going to say like if someone says, Oh, I've ever watched doctor who before and I I've I love modern who what's a good classic Huda episode to watch I would certainly not lead with this I would hope. Yes. If you want people to watch classic who I would. Definitely. Like, okay. Just we'll save that one for down the road after you've watched this or watch the SC. Yes. Yeah but. Yeah. I. I'm. Kind of curious before we wrap this up our discussion. What did you make of the the aging effect I thought you know for you know obviously keep in mind these are one, thousand, nine, hundred, five special effects. So the way they did it was almost like a almost like a stop motion type effect where they you know put it a little bit of ag makeup on somebody that put a little bit more a little bit more than they replace him with like a skeleton in you know and then then that's it and he dies. So. So so but tin. That part I lied but then when you think but but it all falls apart from me. As being impressed when they cut back. They get out to stop motion animation part and You see the skeleton there, and then just kind of drops the floor like like somebody set a puppet string and it just get. Down to the floor. Now, what was that? Your reaction? My only the only one who saw I think that's a fair reaction. I was like Oh. Okay. that was kind of sudden. Yeah. You know it seems like you would have continued being subtle subtle subtle on the change Was it bad For the Air I would've just had like. Somebody, like you know falling down to their knees and then shrinking and earlier collapsing to the floor on their own, and then they turned into a skeleton. Right like you could've kept the aging and like you said her. At all yes. It would have been much less comical, but you gotta remember triumph the insult dog. Trying to attack Perry. No I'm gathering. You're okay with this format because. One of the things about season twenty two, we've talked about this previous stories. from that season that these were forty five minute episodes. So instead of getting four, twenty, two, twenty, three minute episodes, we get to forty five minute episodes tolling a hour and a half. So essentially, it's something in a format much like the modern era. I was just GonNa. Say It felt like a modern era and so I'm used to watching that kind. So in a lot of ways I'm more comfortable with that. It it And I don't think we'll give you points that you haven't brought up pacing. So he gets really. So the first time in months. Yes. Yeah. You know now that you bring it up I thought. was faced well into you know it was I thought I didn't. Have felt like. It felt like a modern era story I didn't feel like there was too much of You know padding in there it was. It was. For what it was I think it was good. Looking learn. Get. Anything else about the story. Can't think of anything right now. Okay. All right. So any favorite quotes from the start? Do you have a couple of favorite once you share the? So this may be. This may be one. You don't like because I mentioned how the doctor was in Tartus with Herbert and to, and I only wrote down this where he goes shut up that. But the the one where quit saying right down the one where he says quit saying that nervous like when I'm nervous I says this. He Goes Oh, I see. Yeah. Yeah. That's it quit saying that but I did love the fact that. The doctor says. Look Herbert. If you want to do something useful waiting to enter Valhalla could you Please read off the numbers of the screen you see immediately. In. Front of you and Herbert, and I feel like this is not fair to Herbert herber goes of course this one. Oh, it's totally I. Then doctor how many screens do you see immediately in front of you just the one in the doctor and rose lights then that's the one. I just thought that was hilarious because I would probably be Herbert. I would like okay to make sure you're talking this screen in like yes you how many screens are in front of you one? Okay. That's the screen. I and I have to confess that I would probably be the doctor in the scene because I one of those people that don't suffer fools gladly. So. So when someone's being a complete idiot and look, I told you to look at the screen. Well, okay. Which one this one. and. There's only one screen there. I'd be over there going you look you moron there's only one frigging screen, which is amazing that we have done this six years together because I would be the type like, okay. I want to confirm like there's not you know with you literally saying. I did love the. The doctor saying does nothing. You know there's nothing. Please you and Perry. Yes. Purposeful travel not aimless wandering was nice and once again, any time they make a comment about the doctor not being able to control the Tartus makes me smile. So. That's so so you bring up a interesting point here. So as someone who doesn't appreciate Bickering Tartus? Yeah what did you make of the doctor and Peri Bickering in the story? You know like you know he's he's. Arguing with her he's Snapping at her for getting in his way and. Scooper up and pick her up ticker, throw off the tortoise because he's gotta go off and supposedly sacrifice himself. I think it goes into. The reason I don't bring it up separately. Is it kind of all rolls into my? Overall. Ken's unhappiness with Colin. Baker's. The way he was written I think that in. Colorado sent versus like having Davidson's three companions bicker back and forth I just don't like these people this I go. This is just not who the doctor needs to be, and so I tend to. I lumped in with the same thing of I hate the costume. I. Don't I don't like his manner I don't get what they were trying to do. Why do you make the doctor unlikable so Yes but I I, don't bring it up separately because I just include that all in my checklist of what I don't like about the way he was written I want to stress and we're I think we're for overly we may be overly Colin. Apologised but I just know this is not his choice as an actor. I truly do not think or he was trying to do something long term that he never got a chance to do right like he had planned if he had gotten another season or to to show that the doctor had gone on a journey to become less cold. Was One of the things I like about the following season season twenty three. The trial that time Lord season, and there's one of the reasons I'm looking forward to talking about that. in early twenty, twenty one when we finally get around to it that by that point by season twenty-three in that in that. Eighteen month hiatus. Between Seasons Twenty, two and twenty three. The the relationship with S- award leaving the show. The relationship between the doctor and Peri six Dr Perry is much better much improved their they figured it out and how they can be likable toward one another. You can understand why these two are actually traveling together at long last and it's only in Perry unfortunately has the mysterious planet in mind warp the the first half of the trial, the time lords season. And then she's written out of the show. So it's kind of disappointing but. And I WANNA ask you figure it out and then the right around? Yeah. I also think that. The way we work this out we saw Colin Baker playing the gala freeing guard the week. Mentally. Watch him. Yeah and. there. You Go. You can see that line like you know all the. The characters he had his that guard he showing a lot as the doctor and don't. I don't think it serves them well, like right especially seeing it right after each other you go. Okay. Yeah. It's It's it gets a little hard to take watch. Absolutely fortunate joins US some quotes just for the time just a few short ones here. One of them is Tucker tekere pretty good lines in this when he goes. The stories I've heard about you vic great doctor, all knowing and all powerful year about as powerful as it burned out android. Yes I good one. And Then we got. Let's see. The doctor kind of firing. Shooting back at tekere later. going. You gave me your word Microsoft. Last Sa-, Phallic after state. And Microsoft Alec. Is for those who don't know don't want to bother doing the thesaurus on. The interwebs? It's a small headed person who abandoned their principal. Okay very nice. Oh. That's what he's referring to when he calls MICO. Microsoft Alec Apostate. and. Lastly the doctor and Herbert. Where the doctor says. Should there be another day out explain to you in great detail, which of the many time laws I am not allowed to transgress and Herbert Kinda says. Who and know. And the doctor replies I would. So would every other time Lord from here to gala fray and I can assure you they're not. All pleasant and agreeable as I am. Yes that was that was. Yeah good. Good Choice. So all right. What's your rating? So you want me to go I go from. All right. So in the spirit of Christine I'm GonNa give this a six point five mu acid throwing plants it barely passes, but it does pass. Okay. Well, that's kind of like it's solid d really. Yeah exactly. That's solid I'm giving this one episode my writing for this one. Four out of ten h skeletons dropping to the floor. Nice. Very nice whether you just go sunk. It was either that or my backup for for this one was going to be banned puppets. very good. I love that. Yeah like I said I think because you got me to think beforehand and also it was a fun afternoon you know after the horrible game. To kind of forget about the cowboy game and lose your. Doctor who yeah pallet cleanser so to speak, it was very good. So very nice doctor who is the healing sap that heals all wounds. Absolutely. Right was. So reverse the versus clarity I. This was a tough one trying to come up with modern era story comparable to this one but. A winner route, a certain route in I think you may be probably understand why. So we're going to go ahead to two thousand seven for the Lazarus experiment. Okay. Yeah. This was the episode from series three in two thousand seven written by Stephen Greenhorn. In in this one in two, thousand, seven London an elderly man named Professor Richard Lazarus announces on TV that he will demonstrate a device that will change what it means to be human intrigued by this statement. Tense. Doctor Joins Martha Jones at the Launch Party for Lazarus laboratories where they meet up with Martha sister. Tisch who works there and Lazarus steps inside a capsule emerges as a much younger man gasp. Using a sample of Lazarus's DNA, the doctor and Martha find that Lazarus successfully managed to cause his jeans to rejuvenate with sound waves. But also activated something in his DNA, which is trying to change him into something else meanwhile Lazarus returns to his office with his partner the. Lady thaw who wants to be the next to use the machine so that they can be young together but Lazarus refuses. One Lady Thaw threatens to have Mr Saxon Hey, that guy pull their funding, but Lazarus transforms into a monster and kills her. So that's essentially my connection here scientists who turns himself into a monster. There you go good job the doctor Martha discovered Lady Thaws Body find out the Lazarus Miss Drain Life. Energy to keep his DNA stable last attacks the doctor and Martha. The doctor sets the capsule to reflect energy rather than receive it kind of like what the doctor does with the crystal right remember when he reflected that back the added and Lazarus's blasted away but then he as he's taken away in an ambulance, the ambulance crashes and then finds that the drivers have been drained of life by Lazarus. So they have to go chase him all the way to Suffolk Cathedral where Lazarus sought sanctuary during the blitz and Martha Tisch Lazarus to the top of the Bell Tower as the doctor manipulates the churches pipe organ to produce maximum volume turned all the way to eleven and the vibrations caused by Oregon interfere with Lazarus's manipulated. DNA and he falls to his death. And afterward the doctor finally invites Martha to come along for one more trip but she refuses because she doesn't want to be just a passenger. Any more than the doctor finally agrees and says, she's more than that to him and they leave together in the targets the end. Nice. So that's that. So I recommend the Lazarus experiment like I said, it was this was a tough one but I think I found at least a little bit of a connection there. Absolutely good job. All right. So listener feedback well, hey, it's not listener feedback if we don't have feedback from two of our favorite people, right? Absolutely. So do you WANNA re days or you want to read? Holly. hot David's up okay. All right. Since you announce this as bad story, I thought I'd point out some highlights and lowlights that entertained me. Yes. Yes. Timeless. Yes. Lowlights won the time corridor effect on the tar scanner was terrible Commodore Sixty four graphics Wu yet to the Blonde the bowl helmets with Vail looks like something picked up in a thrift store. Yes. They almost looked like beekeepers that was burned like yeah yeah. three bland. Blonde androids in black face. Awesome. Like I said I think it's dark purple but. I and I think more you think about I think you are right a four when the man is executed by the ray turning him old the android bends over to pick up his device. You can see the hook and fishline us to suspend the. Good Point Charles five standing safety belts these work like a news protects you from a fall, right? Number six, the Orange Puppet Bandra ambassador. Yes. Plastic dinosaur giant toothy worm morlock. Eight slowest missile ever. And then Dave goes on to say these are some good points. There are only two episodes they're double leagues. Yeah to. It's better than twin the LOUIMA. That's Three Joe Grant. I enjoyed the idea of warning off the doctor with a crucifix. Why wasn't he seen as an Old Testament prophet? He was wearing the coat of many colors vary nicer. five. This is a rare example of precision Tartus operation in the Classic Times. Six climbing the last reminded me polarized when they climbed into the place, the little girl was taken. To drian our welcome all or will can seven John per tree. Yet 'cause they did show that they had a like a mural. That was cool. What did you make of Jon Pertwee kind of sort of make an appearance in this story where they like they knocked out of the section of the wall and it just happens to have this third doctor portrait yet I thought that was really slick. Yeah. Her eight Herbert the one time companion uncomfortably. Uncontrollable curiosity and landless questions. He reminds me of what I be like as a companion. Very nice. Dave and nine piece wins out. Thanks David. Kate proctor. So thank you, Dave, I, appreciate that those are all excellent good points and poor points. You did a great job dave running those down I like I like that. I like the fact that he did a list goal this turn. Thought. It was pretty good I did too. So points to Dave on that one and of course, least but not least Holly Mac riding it about time lashes. Well, we always love hearing from holly and we're going to hear more about her soon i. mentioned that in a minute. Hey. Have to say, this was the first time I've ever seen the story Oh interesting. She says it was interesting to say the least poor Perry in the last half of the story, right? Nice. Not to the third doctor I do have to say that design of the monster was with Perry was decent. So. She kind of liked the morlocks in the all. Okay. Nice. She liked that in this case, the doctor didn't lie to the at about the crystal note he was straight up said look don't fire this thing Ami Gonna I'm GonNa Bounce right back at you and what is the Borat do fires it right at him? Yes. Brilliant. The reveal at the end that Herbert will go into be H. G. Wells was a bit of surprise. She didn't see that coming I'll wrap it up here holly from Wisconsin always love to hear from you only always love hearing from you holly. Absolutely. It's been great that we've had Halloween Dave as regular listeners writing in how I mean do we? They are they are both fighting a pretty long streak there It's great. I mean. I can't I'm thinking I. I am not I'm trying to think back when the last time we did not have feedback from them it it would have to go way back. It's been a while so So that's nice. I want to give them some special appreciation for that because they've been really good about that lately. So both of cheers both of you we'd love to hear from other people too. So that just I mean we love hearing from holly and Dave don't get me wrong but we would also like to hear from some of you out there as well. So WanNa be like Harley David Hey who doesn't Write to US next stop everywhere s and G G mail dot com that's next up everywhere S. N.. G. For southgate media. Group, at the G mail DOT COM working, reach US ON TWITTER AT NEXT UP SM G on twitter facebook next up everywhere the doctor who podcast or Instagram at next up everywhere podcasts. Jesse how about you? Can they reach you? Well, you can. You can find me on twitter at Jesse Jackson DFW. You can also find me on facebook and instagram under Jesse. Jackson. You can hear me every week talked to fans of Bruce springsteen and his music from around the world of Friday. We got new Bruce springsteen music and The new album is amazing and we also got an apple TV documentary about making the album. So you'll be seeing a lot of discussions about that So please check on that and Charles, how about you? Where can we hear you from? Well, do I want to ask how many times you've listened to the new album? it's it's been a few. It's been a few. Minute, how many? It at least a half dozen. Re twice. I've watched the documentary twice how long documentary Ninety minutes. Okay and he does length of length of a classic doctor who story yes they play The. They play. All but two songs off the new album and they do it. So it's it really a lot of fun in there there's some. There's a there's a couple of really nice scenes with Bruce and like there's a lot of discussion back and forth back and forth. was like, okay. If anyone has any doubts about Wendy, do the break look at me when I make the break that's what you'll do it. You can tell he's he's leading the eastern band. Funny. All right. Yes. Okay. As for me, of course. 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If you've ever seen this movie and they just came out with a criterion collection released. So next week, we're going to discuss the movie itself, and then in two weeks, we're GONNA do a follow up episode where we run through all the special. Features in the criterion collection and I, hope everybody checks that out that'll be nice. That's really good. Yeah, I've really as I told, you enjoyed the X. files kind of sample platter. You guys gave they gave me a a really enjoyed that. So it's a lot of fun and I I love the movie. So I'm looking forward to hearing you guys discuss it. Yeah. Hope you took it out because like I said just came out. And if you want to pick it up nice new remastered copy and should be great to discuss. So a lot of fun and it's only David Lynch's second film but one that catapulted him into kind of mainstream Hollywood awareness. Oh, very nice being the surreal experimental director in eraserhead. 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Wrestlemania 37 Preview w NXT Recap

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Because i was not going to let us miss another wrestlemainia preview in ten years of the show we have missed one wrestlemania preview last year Due to the pandemic due to buy health issues or wouldn't quite all the way there. So we missed. We missed a recap we just kind of. I think we probably did a toll tits shows in twenty twenty. I don't know but we are back I appreciate the fans who stuck with us a row with us. Check back either who've been on his wrath ten years so i mean i can't believe i i haven't done much of anything for ten years in my life just to be honest with you like like we're consistency in just like hey him. Showing up every day was just like i've been married sixteen years and once again that only other thing. I think i've done more enemy. So i have appreciative of everybody. Who's built his journey Us transform platforms built the website. Just doing everything to provide content in this wrestling world. And just listening to me. Kisha half funded kick it. It's joy for us to be able to bring this to you With that being said this is going to be a good show is gonna be fun I'm a knock this out in a reasonable amount of time. 'cause i got places to be honest to do. So let's get rocking rolling We talk about personal things. Things is going on in the world. So i would be remiss not to say. Ip to the great dea mix One of the greatest representative did it. So if you guys are in my age bracket i am forty one. Before the two this year Diem ex hit When i was about seventeen or eighteen right eighteen hidden in nineteen debut. Stock toes. hot comes out like before like the do was mad. Singles and mix tapes said To the biggest thing people hurt him on was four. Three two one l. cannabis and method ray everywhere to do hit. He shined so when his debut album came. It was gonna be a monster in was delivered on every level in the energy. If you're like when you like sixteen seventeen eighteen nineteen the things that happened. The enterprise things stick with you for rest of your life. Nothing's bigger right. So i turned eighteen in nineteen ninety seven thousand nine hundred nineteen ninety eight houston context the attitude era. A full swing the monday night. Wars raging The ninety eight bulls out in it at six championship. run Like all this is happening in the world and it what time be alive right Jay z finally breaks through a ninety eight or ninety. Six doubt comes out seven by one vying to where he breaks into that superstar status hard knock life tour curbs and it was like the first big rap tour in a long time because if you wanna followed genesis of rap was big tours early on and then promoter just stopped. Doing it was like not. Because they couldn't get bookings everywhere because it was always like. Oh what's gonna be violence. Which is media hype. But i mean the violence did show up because i mean he's a lot of people who like the music some of them have problems with each other so if you put thirty thousand people in the same spot people don't show up. Who might have problems with each other and you know what it is. It's onsite so things like that happened. But they came back in ninety. Eight biggest stars in the world are jazy de mix so it was like this thing of cruise man like the rough riders. Rockefeller wu tang met read on a tour Murder inc in. John is an emerging superstar at this time. Like all this happens and as much as called the harnack life tour de mix if big or bigger than jay z as part of tour de diem exit hit land another tour prior to this Survival illest on. They put out a mix. Tape was live Def jam was sticking out extra cds with their cds. If you bought the first run of the cds the first copies you got this extra statement like stuff. Was this lab. That man in this was like three years before years. I've got to work for jam so offices as into just the energy of may you just can't you can top it and i think a lot of us think about x in the context of the energy in the stays performance man but dog do didn't have a weakness as a rapper storyteller battle. He had it all. You know what i mean. It was no gimmick his first few albums man they were just monsters. The do dropped to albums in the same year. It went platinum because he dropped this dark darkest howe hat but by the end of nineteen ninety. Eight flesh of my flesh. Blida blood comes out and that goes platinum. And this isn't a physical copy era. this ain't streams where people got a streaming service. He listen to as much you want to like now in. Nfc calculated now br castle into the stores and cop this and that's when cd's cheapest so As we transition we're gonna talk about takeover. I'm a recap it night. One night. Two will do wrestling noodles and then are going to wrestlemainia preview. But i play a little x. And we won't go cash funny funny funny off a nickel off the that we put in a bad fucking took poem data data almost cash. Funny funny show money money money money gas money money money. Money money off all right back doesn't want to get that out get the energy cracking Bledstock takeover right. Let's talk the biggest event for inex- not every year It was done a little different this year. We did it with Ahead of wrestlemainia. Right so generally deppish figure out where they go slap takeover in wrestlemainia being two nights which i think is going to be consistent thing. It started takeover on wednesday so hall of fame earlier. This week say tuesday. Monday was raw comeback wednesday we takeover thursday we got takeover friday smack dab which is a pre-tape like a solid week of programming right. I'll give you my ideas on peacock. 'cause takeover pride was the first day i watched or peacock. 'cause i watch faslane on the know how peacock i watch fast lane on the network 'cause they decommissioned network. I wanna say last weekend. Which sucks. 'cause i wrote to. I watched the last day at the network right our lives as a wrestler because they have not brought it over yet and i think i've discussed the network on wrestling with culture I go there. listen to episodes. Should be listening anyway. Britt landstuhl good job. Just talking about everything Wrestling and non wrestling related. But yeah man. It sucks worse than i thought it did right like when i started our peak in and i'm like oh they'll have enough content yet yada yada yada now. They still don't have most of the content. ozzy. I don't think they're going gonna most of it over there probably going to dempsey w stuff over. They're going to bring over. Some of the se w stuff there sanitizing the ww. So right now. A big part of it is them probably scrubbing and going through the content. Right like they have to figure out what is going to What's going what's going to work. What what are they going to keep. and why are they going to because they are very big on ending right now with the content. And don't i understand. They are major network. There are fabio network. So even though w is a publicly traded company it pales in comparison to like universal. Nbc universal right like that umbrella is a monster directly i don't know if they still tied directly comcast but i mean so. Usa network bravo sapphire network What else is with them but nbc like they go door. They decommissioning bc supports the corporate umbrella. So monstrous if they have to make sure they protect themselves so to stuff. I get still paying necessary. Vince mcmahon saying say really doesn't need to be on anybody's content right so they did good piper cub without half black. Would he fights bad news. Brown is a weird thing for him to do in the first place an asset. so. But i'm not mad. Max goes not like it was a classic now. Need to see so. I've not write it up in arms about it The dax pro promo were expert. Comes out and black face to be mark henry that something that went back for reviewing anyway so i'm not really up in arms about it I mean i'd rather them go too far one way and not go far enough and other you get what of especially when it comes to miles of race so in scope if they're scrubbing at content than maybe other stuff gets lost as okay too but i would like to get back suppler stuff and i mean his thing. They're not a wrestling network. So they're not really concerned with you. Know maintain the past or keep a thing for people to watch. They are a cartoon provider. Their money is in the current content. That's what they're paying for. They're paying for it. Handles pay per views come every month. They're paying for the fact that they already got raw so they can rebroadcast fraud. They already broadcasting in t like this is just the mrs they got total bilas. They're probably gonna bring back total divas them casale their content. That's all in having a place to allow the content that they have and hopefully for them to get more people to buy looks a subscription to the network right because that's the main thing they want to draft subscription numbers right now they don't even care they also give it away now so i signed up for the i use the code for the to fifty of matzah pay nine ninety nine in as good for four months so basically breaks down to fifty a month right. The goal is for me to stay on in four months ago. Four ninety nine and really what happened is just like all these free services by the end of the year. They're going to a price that is going to be six ninety nine in no. As is going to be like eleven nineteen and they don't do that then they don't flip it all. This is going to have one tier. They don't try to keep the ads as much as possible because they double dip in revenue. You gotta understand this. If you watch shows on the actual television network you know the the confidence to add buddy right. That's why they have it there so you need to add money fifth at around. What you're gonna do now is they. Don't sell advertisers package. Were look you could get the ads on tv like the channel and you buy ads or the app to anyway. I'm too much in minutia business yakking wrestling so takeover nyc one Let's get into it so you know how we do now on l. Well well so here. We are takeover It was a solid of it for two nights. And you'd be surprised inex- t so it's always scaring with inex- t expanse things The one hour to a two hour show was a little dicey I think they finally found their legs. Even though i think they were better as a one night show when our show and the thing about it is is this cream rises to the top right so if you consolidate your content to an hour versus two hours is going to be better because you want to put your best foot forward in that our write your best talent is gonna show what they did was they did overused a talent so the nfc champ. It'd have to be on the show every single week to different people so you could main event with the tag titles and you can made of it another week with the north american title. You can win another league with women whatever and then you get to start to take over you've built a few you slice their promos here. You kept the stories of laugh. But they didn't have to overuse the wrestlers. One of the things. I think that happens is wrestler. Just exist in the difference. Peter than what we're used to for those of us who grew up in the eighties nineties even early two thousands fans you. I think what happened with the monday night. Wars was the out they did something. Old fellowships caught hotshot territory there notable. Did it the war to get tv ratings for people to push your tell ford now. Debussy w never really hill back their talent. Right flare showed tv every week. The flirting wrestler. Every week you know what i mean. Sting didn't have to wrestle every week per se yada yadda yadda the hogan might not show up at all on tv for two weeks. Then he shows up does interview or whatever your song really at the pay per views if you pay money to be at a house show or saturday night's main event because that was a special thing that they did whatever whatever so they kept the champ out for special events. The icu champ would work televisions tag. Titles will work televisions in. They went do it consistently. So what happened is you will get the contenders working more to get to those belts and you will see them a lot and van will culminate with them getting the title shot happily as ucla and everybody and you don't really get to see the contenders rise so they don't really get to develop that way. I say this takeover used to be great pay-per-view two hours of just rock-solid stretch it to where they did. I am impressed that they did it the way they did still pulled off to really good nights of wrestling. So let's talk about it I match pete versus kashif of matched. That didn't really have a lot of like history behind it. It wasn't a lot of pete. Done was in that world title mix in came out. I like pete. Pete's to me quintessential inex- guy one of the things that i think is good about inex- t being where it is now versus what it used to be. They've got to find another way to help. Develop the talent May create another side program to use and pry broadcast on peacock or something exclusively internet when our only yadda yadda to do developmental society Evolve until like just official third brand. But i think the data pete done as a home here and other needs to evolve to be a raw smack. Now i'm gonna stop using terms main roster kaz that's kind of misleading to what these guys are doing. So but pete during the feast shida pretty solid match to technicians. I'm here for it Bronson read with the six pack challenge. Matt he's was the gauntlet maximum. Sorry he fleeced. Sales were scott cameron grams illinois night. Dexter luminous leon rough to be the number one contender for the north american title which he will challenge for the next even solid match compelling all the guys got to shine even coming around a little bit of on rough Never my favorite guy. Always sometimes the goofy thing those off and i think him being in a title pitcher was a little rough but i can work with and you know. Every generation has his characters. So i'm i guess. I probably been a little rough boston. Read like the look. I like the idea. Tourists got eventually. They'll find spot for him Camera grabs is kinda funny with the new give. Italy night out adjusted to the name is of rough. This is why those things about me. You always don't need the name change. Unfortunately they like to do the name change because they want to own the content right so this they can build him as la night and he won't go anywhere whatever but hey man he. He became on. Y'all radars. allow drink. People knew him as eli drik. He's gonna take electric somewhere else. It when this is over and still be all right. I don't know man. This is weird this stuff. Dexter loomis at guy has potential. I think one day when they get him out of that light child molester serial killer. Look it'll be alright water versus Mossel trump was really good match. Walter wiz retains the uk title Let's see water in the us. Seven hundred thirty. They run is great whenever they take the bill. Off of walter. It has to be big like it has to be some explosive in a daily the whole this off until they found like their starved future annex. Uk i don't watch xt uk as much as i used to. But i probably will too in After watching his match maybe like your pride to watch a little more. I mean the stars brought over. Pete done rhea ripley. Tony storm solid pieces right. Like you can't not. I don't want them to keep integrity. Inex- t u k. But i know that's probably not the case. Either right honestly with the goal to be. Oh we're gonna come to america and be but probably they go right. You're going to be so famous in wrestling in the uk. So what's next. It's kind of like playing basketball. Comes big or whatever whatever the game was the nba right so like. I don't think so i know eventually they're gonna wanna come over. But like i say time i will like to build that scene up to be his own individual thing. I want them to have the new japan of the uk. But it just be me. I guess or something Really good match me. Physical chopper got some of his magic back. Even not winning. He's still kind of like. Oh yeah he's still did right so i'll give it that accident night for me. Was the triple threat triple threat tag team match. And i'll tell you why those guys were really at tag team wrestling throat. Drops on sipping water dugout is generally. This is where i have a co hoax. Run back turn off. The mike can't do that but guys today This was my match tonight. Really good it was pelling. I thought high spots were good spots. They didn't over highs spot. You know eighty w style. And i mean i'd say eighty x t have problem with it to inex- t over false finished in all that stuff with all the finish fox finishes real time ahead you hook in all made sense until all six. These men gave it the all. These are real tag teams Bits l love to name it will dough fantasma look pretty good and it s k. Y'all listed it show. I became a big fan of them during a gusty classic. I did not watch much of an impact because we asked what you man out tune in impact a lot like. It's one of those things. Like i know us on tuesday are peaky. I'm like okay. Yes oh if mussa's on the tv stick around if jordan grace's on tv out. I'll stick around if a year hogan's on tv. I'll probably turn Risks were our enemy anymore. So i might look for a little bit of rich y If the motor city machine guns are doing thing. I think alex shelley might be hurt again to sabin his partner with somebody else right now so you know whatever whatever. I'm not like die. Hard washing those guys during the dusty classic man and then watching this match who the guy. Nash is good but his partner. Lee on gas star. Dick as star. De geyser. Break but i dig on everything. They are true tag teams and i think that is missing in the landscape of wrestling. And we gotta get back to invest in taxes. I think over the past three to five years of wbz's dole ten times better than what they were before the usos in a new day. I think we're at the precipice reviving at division street profits are helpful but even now i see them kind of slipping and they just don't the tag team titles needs to be front and center a little more and i think being a tag team doesn't needs to be a punishment it doesn't need to be a will. This is something you can do until you figure out place. It needs to be like what they say about the usos. They were dedicated to like. Look this thing that we do. This is who we are. This is what we are now. Dead dynamic is going to change because jay has apparently found out that he can be made better and hill. I think the rest of us did too. Because this guy's good but you know and we'll see pm in really good max lot of back and forth. They sold well like you looked at us. Like you didn't know who was gonna win us like these guys are giving it all. So yeah. I appreciate that match The final match of night one was killed gonzales versus Arrive for the women's title. Raquel wins in the eels rain. I'm actually just as eeo transition into raw smackdown or if she's known stale indexed to actually are challenging for the bill again agassi her do something else but if it is her lacerra hell of a run if not cambridge. See organic. Because i love me. Some meals awry so that tonight to night to pretty sandoz settle escobar. Feast jordan does the undisputed against inex- cruiserweight champion. A escobar has some help from his friends but still solid match. The latter max goes okay. It didn't go into light ladder. Max loehr but i can dig it in promoting chassis blackheart retain their tag titles defeating the way which was mechanical ray and at jano off. Things candice laurie. I just i don't know why. Don't johnny dr donal retains his inex- team north american title by defeating bronson read Okay like his day gargano one. I think the same thing. I said about Said about gargano. I'm in inex- t is a destination not really likely launching pad. This guy probably would be best. Just digging around in exte- but at the same time. I would have liked to take that title off him and see what he can do next. But hopefully this sparks a feud that will be a little bit more compelling and you don't have to get the title the first time you face somebody right. That's not how you started hearing across defeats fin baylor of an inex- title. Which good job right they carry it as a guy who probably have been around you know. He got hurt the last time he did win the belt so good for him and you know he Talented guy. i think he's got a future. It'll be interesting to see who pubs for him to try to take the belt because that's going to be a hell of a task but i still interested you know so there's that What else do we get going on. Here i'm just going to go on down the line Kyle rally vs out of coal a section match which. Here's the thing aren't they. I don't like is it was a sanction. Banks hyped it up the way they did. You can't have a sake. Should batch it have a contract side. This on-site ch- You know you hit. All the ref city officials at all people but dead it delivered out of coal is a rockstar kyle. O'reilly this is a switch to the next level. I don't see him beating hearing cross baby. Go back into this field yes carry across but maybe you can sell a compelling story baby briars take it beats curie across but you know that's the next coal colds hitherto raw smackdown. I think that is the date for coal. As long as his contract gordo So speculation a doctor. Britain might wanna work to say place. What day you know. That lovely couple is You know get gas so who does this. I think it exceed is helpful because his relationship with dr brit does not become a problem for him because that s has aw there i think if he goes raw or smackdown vits bates start to something. I dunno kuno but you know pay off that was it so this is our usual tab where we take a break so i would take a break. We'll be back. It will do adults to do preview. So yeah the audience. Chanting new day sucks. What's your reaction that how's that affecting. You hurts rene. it's it's disappointing but we promise you will not find disappointment in our dancing. You won't find it in our accent and you definitely won't find it in our black sea night we we. We sat right rene. Yesterday i was at the airport something to eat. Came up to me and said and mr that new thing is terrible but my is a big fan and can you sign this breakfast menu for him. And i replied. Of course i can put boy. I'm able to because of kicked to the curb. All right everybody. we are back So hey i'm here to talk in so do this news notes. Here's commentary team. Leaves deb w. e. after restructuring what peacock gene broussard. Raymond rougeau have both So they are no longer a part of the team. I'm not sure who was gonna take over the french commentary. And right y'all gonna get raymond rougeau one of the ruse. I promise. come on man okay. But we'll see. I mean what they do. Or maybe the peacock got their own guys. Or maybe they don't see money broadcasting. The french montreal's he'll bark so beyond should do about so Let's see also while talking. Jay with outrageous giant memorial battle royal To smack now. I going to review smackdown. Bradstock that in because proud of the young man. proud that young man has done over the past year so joey will wanted who sells is injured. That's usually it for both of them. Just our our my man said good to hear the traffic is not sure win as coming back in you know but hopefully he comes back strong and do something together. I would like to see them. Have run wit roman at the top fool own family thing in rock this. Let's do this more dynasty empire that's had it w. confirmed that Becky lynch and run rousing to return. There is no official timetable. dirk sheets say Becky might be at wrestlemainia so we will see a big news. Inex- t is moving to tuesdays. They have lost the wednesday night war. debbie has decided to push them. Over with tuesday's all parties. Think is the best thing to do. Here's ity. I think x probably needs to exist without pressure of trying to do a hit. Hit the right. I think it's best for both so there are viewers who probably will toot into both now because they are split viewership ratings will improve your though. I wonder how many people were streaming them. Both 'cause i did wisdom was kinda busy for me so a lot of times. I didn't watch either word. I would just watch replays. I'd wash next to hulu because it was available next day that i would watch. Aws tnt download the xbox put up on tv. i'd watch did so. I never had to watch black. Did what i would watch apple. Tv had tablet if the would got more interested to tablet did a swat pool. Whatever tablet switched over to the tv. So does the way to do that. I don't know how that factors into the numbers because the television doesn't factor at all about these bills a television right which further the idea of tolerance raise antiquated at best but dusty the hero. They are just a different topic for the tank off. Say this this. It'd be good. Because i think fans will get to get both cartoon right as is happening now because of figs was going on. I think it might be even harder for them. Two to who compete with a lot. Like i think of wrestling judges itself by the landscape. It has judged itself over the last thirty years or so they lose it which is live different types of different era beer to competition for viewing. Is you have netflix. You have hulu. You have disney. Plus you have usps espn so just if you divide people who like sports at a sports audience abf to nba crack it not watch wrestling at night. Let's say they tell you the bra coming back this week. Trump is injury hill. Let's say three weeks now. Lebron in a d are both back in wrestling on at night. Who you think loses. Sorry not sorry right. Football teams comeback around. Like you got a lot going on. I just think about it. The eyeballs are split and everybody is pissed with a ratings droplets. Like it's too much shit. Gordo but it was here that W has struck a new. tv deal. They have not gave more information percents. They got a new tv deal. So you know shouts out to do what else do we have. So with that Chris jericho appear or stone cold. Show the broken skull sessions all peacock network after night to wrestle beatty which episodes will be sunday night. So everybody speculated with this is gonna be about a why they had them is simple bear sis. They felt like this was the best way to get some sizzle attracts about balls at. I think it's genius. A w star whose probably their biggest star steel even without. He'll be having a title just because t's to recognizable there. Right is bill to stole coach. Show the first ever. Debbie disputed champion. The guy who had about twenty year rudd with the wwe. It allows a lot of speculation. Is the forbid door opening up. Will there be some crossover da. Deputy never do that but they might strike alone out deal right. They might stretch strap tracker favor favor. Basically what guy does get to appear. So where did they get a guy that can appear yada yada yada right right. Downhill have the currency. Because a w does it have a guy who used to be there. It has donald. Wwe because they haven't been around long enough right. So there's that but i think what they want to have a good relationship with jericho like their dako pistol that relationship because guess what man in three or five years jerko probably go. Hang up the boots and they order. Doug jericho the hall of fame. Let's have that relationship that these watered right aaa. She does a lot of talent relations stuff so bits gave it to okay. But i'm sure triple x. Pissed it would be a good day. It's gonna be a w infomercial. A think bubble. Ray deadly also said that too so i will echo that this that put his gotta get rich right. 'cause you can't talk to a guy without say well what you doing now right. So he's got a bitchy is he. Go off though will stall We'll stall kozo wrestled fair to so. I'm sure he watches. So he's gonna a yeah like what you doing down there you to get your guys. Yada yada yada. Ada watch chris cox coming up sued but and might make somebody some money. 'cause gas might get dave dropped. Her garage day will get route so these guys that they get dropped by coming up on the contract in. Hey used as a little leverage the car hoop man they talk it but anyway Excited to see what the interview will be about. I'm sure he'll be recap jericho's career A little bit of the current state of wrestler. A little bit of what. He's done it just a fun story because a lottery. Broker scott is just flood stories which i love and especially from gases around jericho age or whatever. 'cause those are the last of he can. Those other lasted a guy who could tell. Some of the road. Stories with wrestler was really on the road like now guys it eight as dramatic the road. you know. They fly into town fly out. They got the rental cars. Whatever like it they making the town right. It ain't like oh it's tuesday. We get help hassle by thursday. Ed buddy go rid of car. We go do this. You'll be gone. I i i who likes stories. That's why i hate old people. I like stories. So i think this is gonna be good. That said tat wrestlemainia. Amir time for debate he so You know as we transition to this they go to a erupt. A little bit is the house. I'm good go out code back this house. So i'll be back big a portion of extortion and racketeering conspiracy. What you get much dot com. Get a much harder. Must picked your hardest nigga slip when i thought shit i like pussy not offend my face of creepy creed. No more than three. They could see she. But how sit buried. In the mud. With jason powder residue and a positive ideas apostles. John doe was going to be putting no net tag. Now who go your bubble for babies more logs off and listen to what you pay for surgery with the as still hit the fucker streets set up and down to like look about impressive stress. Bits of testing pitches game pitches in caressing pitches all levels when i'm dealing with his all fucked mistakes when rebels. I got seven. Thirty terry nichols it comes to win thirty scabby nicotine all the time. What they command was talking. Fill philip pulled. And if i don't know you. I don't fuck what you if you wouldn't my man. Did he gave it to money. Because i just lost my mom when la the nine boss. The club black dotty black body black kid. This dropped some in there. You know what i'm saying. Just a little more dea. Mix 'cause if not why not right so here. We are resume thirty seventh wrestlemainia. We are here. We have came all the way from nineteen eighty five until now. This event is older than half. Y'all listening actually. In price seventy five percent. The listening right it is. The showcase of morals is where hall of fame careers. I made some people living off one match at wrestlemainia for the rest of their life. It is the place where in may people explore the careers that they had before after to learn it. Hey these guys were boxers as dope s steamboating savage. Was you learn steamboat. Having killing it for like ten years before that and then he still had had his best max. Two years later he has a three-match ric flair that is classic. Would the world title at that time. hogan andre wrestling forever. Also wrestlemainia three almost always take place. Nineteen eighty-seven the world famous pontiac. Silverdome which is no longer with us. But man i could do a show about silverdome. Just on 'cause you're talking about place out love placed across the street from Wrestlemainia you could hear the crowd from the it was crazy but it's another place military. I'm just telling you Not like brought up in the yet yes so there's a seven Wrestlemainia ten is required. Viewing i think is very dope. Show wrestlemainia four with the world. world title tournament The savage gold hit wins. the title. i think was a good one. I don't just go down to lack russell. Mania seventeen is the pinnacle. It is the standard for wrestlemanias wrestlemainia. Twenty is a very good one. It gives the rise of job. Seen like i if you want to tell me that the jumping off point is that one. The next year he wins the world title but this one when he was the us title by defeating big show and he gives the f. You would not attitude adjustment to the big show like deficit debt guys on rocket ship at that point right like you know he's gonna be a world champ one day don't know who's going to be the biggest star that company probably his head arguably some y'all's like we bigger austin era seen some caucasus dec- sina was the biggest star from like two thousand five till like two thousand eighteen or nineteen. Nobody has around like that. The austin run is like you can give it ninety six to two with distraction. It was more ninety. Eight to two rocks run is similar is like ninety eight told to Hogan has a run. That's probably eighty five to ninety one ninety two ish my then. They're starting to get a little tired of it Not he revives it with interview. But that's a whole nother. It's not the yellow and black mr synonymous with wrestling. Fake hogan's thing. Is that despite how you feel about it as a person who i think is utterly despicable. He is the guy that is associated with professional wrestling. I don't have to tell you if you've never watched professional wrestler hulk hogan you know that guys wrestler right because the same thing he is where michael jordan the basketball. You don't know anything about basketball. But you know michael jordan designate. It will be host. Share along with titus o'neil. I do not want to know what they had to plead with titus to do this right like i'm sure they ran all the game own that man not wearing a game because he's a grown man you make but i'm sure they had to do a lot of like yo and out how titus is a man of faith i think titus believes in redemption. He believes the second chances he believed. So but ben hogan still not over still not over it and not get too far in weasels. We'll talk about wrestlemanias will be joyous time. The thing would hogan's racism. I listened to the of take. It is vile. It is despicable. Poignant like it. So i've heard people say nigga before and i hurt them say papa john's saying nigga in the context of saying it really wasn't that bad it's just that supports fucked up causes so whatever trump amen. Also kind of a got hogan was kind hand. So let's put that in. Its own space. Hogan's was very bile in the sense of like it was very specific and it was very poignant and there was the idea of his daughter dating a guy who happened to be black and was like yo and felt like if he was gonna be black. He wasn't good enough black to be day his daughter to say that. Hey if you're going to black guy at least go to the top. He's chill brian or something like that. Which is real like deep coded racism like instead said the point of like hey you have to prove worthiness and just all really deep down in there that like i came up with that guy for nothing like i don't wanna be around in the. Wwe has embraced them back. Because one if you a black wrestling fan you have to make a lot of compromises dish. It is heart in difficult but they have. What are they big stars. The majority of the fan base can deal with a right. Like i think there's a pergola airbase like silhouette museum racist dude is going to be. Everybody makes mistakes. It really what that is a district of mosquitoes in his racist. Right privilege allows it happen. Daniels another percents on another tier or like what he said was that bad dinners. You know like there's a is a that they about both of the fares that worried about the black bears. We how many of us have tuned out. I mean we went through a lot would wrestling hill that we just we we send to deal with it so they said hey way to have to not have him so he's back but yeah it is still fuck you. Okay okay anyway. Oh to the show. So i'm gonna through night one. I don't know if this is the order. I'd manufactured Order in my head. And really. I don't even have it exact here. I just do it down hot. So here's a prediction is a hill will go. The new day will take on. Aj styles omaswa roth tag team. Titles i think the new date finds a way to win. At least i hope they do a. I don't know much about my says. I don't know how much they work with him. I don i know you. Just big in intimidate. I can't tell you if he can or cannot work i defeat. When do they take the no selling in the indestructible. Figure out of him. So they'll this'll be interesting. I mean because he may go on right now to just try and in at some point he will have a problem with. Aj styles or whatever but let's give it him in this. Give the new day a chance to win tonight and see what happens bad. Bunny damian priests verses. The miz. John morrison. I don't think a celebrity is ever lost at wrestlemainia per se. Bad buddies always with damian prese. Dave preaches go do the heavy lifting bad. But he's going to have a few shots and the miz is a guy that you can use as comedy from time to time so ms will probably do something in Sprinkle some art truth in there somewhere. 'cause truth may come out and ms might get distracted. This where bad buddy gets his idol. But that's doesn't my suggestion but damien don't do the heavy lifting. This is going to help get damian priest over a little more. And they're not colin tila. Gay buddy bill. The guy they love having this guy row right but this will be the combination of the ban by storyline in bad bunny. And david gonna win no problem here. Only versus data brooke and mandy rose vs the riott squad versus natty and tomato versus bill. Carmella in a number one contenders match for women's tag team titles this takeover these the winners will face Shayna baszler in in the brain the following night for the titles. Theoretically if i was calling the straight natty into me should win The riott squad are a good team but they are not. They don't have the twerk mandy adena. Brook p really want us many roles thing to work. Not monthly. Carmelo ability k will be dysfunctional. I don't see them going so it will come down to nanometer versus in lana in naomi. I theoretically net into mita should win natty. Intimate the talian nine heart should go to challenge night jackson shayna baszler it would be the most compelling match up it will be the most realistic up. It would be you know. This is like if. I want to put two tanks in gives. Each of the problem is they both are heels. And whether i wanna to do is lotta in only are going to win this match and it's gonna be fun Celebrate their the unlikely pair. They may go on and defeat. Neier and shane the next night. I'll tell you how i feel about fifteen minutes. I'll get further donald. Am you're going to win this. Fortunately seth rollins azzaro could be the launching point for desiro like this win would be huge for him. They still does not believe in says. Ro says zara should have been a megastar like six years ago when he went that. I ever Memorial battle royal. He was on fire like nobody else. Ed when he split on americans and lazaro swing was a baby face move anyway they had all the ammo. They couldn't with paul heyman which was a disaster because they really didn't know what to do so zarro the dropped the ball on and they never really quite pick it up. But i don't think they're going to pick it up this week. I think rollins wins Rollins goals on you. Take it out from there Boy strowman vs. Shane mcmahon braun. Strowman probably will win. A share will help from elias and his guy The yearly shame dang. Shane already went to elbow through the table. So we might not get that spot four. we might But yeah broad beat. Shame thing or maybe doesn't tally possible. Shame using cheating two guys might be broad. 'cause i mean i don't think they have high hopes abroad either potential match tonight. Sasha banks smackdown women's title versus bianca. Bel air. I do not know who wins this match. I know who i want to win. The match is easy bianca. Bel air just half of the situation in the rise of behind kabila wear. I think it's time for step to the prone. I also think that day. Maybe the time with sasha get a big one of sure that she gets a big one against another black woman. That's fine but this you could have some legs. If sasha wins and in bianca has scrapped and get another match and then maybe whiz it at backlash or bianca wins and they have a few I want to win by think. Sasha's gonna win and that's kind of where dad. But i really really won't be academic but that being said how dope is this match and this rest of me. I want you to go through hard. Like i just through the racism wrestling and stuff like that. This has been about as inclusive and dope as a car that we going to expect. I just hope all black people whose but pay intuitive matches. Somebody's gonna lose somebody win. We still have a black chair. So what's so. Look sasha no matter which way ago we good money right. We ona's alert with the new day. Aj is one you know. They're daily appreciate that. Bunny representing the latin x contingent. Naomi a lot of you know. I mean in we get to meena natty. You know but to me you know. They've always been counterparts pacific. Islander sign that read Didn't made it got lashley drew. So they're they're Us as the big and apollo crews like the. This is a solid car. Sorry more alarm was in think. I should have been wrapping up by now. Should start show like half hour earlier. Neither here nor there. We're gonna go through this now the time. 'cause i like do this but yeah i i think sasha wins. I won't be Lashley vs drew mcintyre. I think they're gonna make the wrong decision in two back tires gonna win. I think they want this thing to work once again. I want lashley to with. I want the bobby lashley era to grab. I want this to be a thing. I wanted to go to the point. Where look man lee. Get lashley a hell of a run in. I will liberate brock here for summer slam and beat brock. That that's where i want this dako- but we all three. But i think for winston night was the celebration. Okay okay night to Riddle versus shameless. Figure out a way to beat shameless and keep the. Us title rule is my new mortal enemy in order professional wrestling Kevin owens versus say musee at old reliable. These guys are best. Phrased beat the odds each other for time and time again. San jose and broad logan. Paul who is aid this big celebrity. But hey he's there I really don't. I don't know much about lopin. Paul i know a knockdown. They robson that spry where i met with. This guy might be very nice guy. So i take it out about. They do kale if not. Why not Nyah jackson shayna baszler. They will face the winners attacking turmoil. If they were to face to to a natty they would no. I don't think they will win. They will they will be nettie. If faced lana in the only. I think only walk out with the titles. I think somehow circus soleil do causes a distraction in the goes left and the problem. But you know me. Full circle of staying in billy k. Incremental wind and dan circle do does tyrone in carmel and but that's stacked far-reaching. Really i think he does some stupid in nyons. Shayna lose to nail me in our new women's tag team champions. The feeding vs randy orton. Defend right this is the best long term story lab. They have had a log tab this week from last year to this year right or maybe last year like this is ran a long time right with them. Do other things have other problems but still getting to back to each other job. But i think the favourite's defeats radio word. Because you don't do all that is to get to this point ready to we you know randy is a guy who's teflon ready to take losses in a row. Still be at a world title pitch. I mean just 'cause decrees bill so instead of asking versus religion for the wrong with his title that would is what it could go either way I feel regularly. I would go with ria ripley. This would be her stars sich. This would be tapped to take her to the next level. You give it to rhea ripley. If becky lynn comes back she will come back for ria law. We got something. I could save. She comes back for the say. Hey i gave you this belt when i left. Dot claim was bad. There's that angle or you know she see ally up through or this could be a set of for triple threat at backlash. More capelli to be would be rhea ripley. So this world go with korea's he'll Becky covered back would be baby face. She was bassist. She left but people who returned to the be baby faces. That's also mistake. They made with seth rollins when he came back. But i digress. Big enough fees i see title against apollo crews in nigeria drug fight. Okay so mixed emotions. Apollo crews Nigerian a goal did rugby right at first but after a little research. Read that like i could work I like it. Because i think this batch is good for both. I think this is good for both of. I think this has allowed. People see big e aboard serious light. Which is what. He's going to need to assist to hire days. I think big e a loss. This batch of losing at belt could be the cowboy for him to go on to bigger stakes hits. He loses his batch dead. Inner kinda got laid or you know qualifier for the worked for universal title-winning So accuracy this. I would like to see apollo with ic- title by fellow died. Julia brother According to ancestry dot com i fairly services represent nigeria Which is the highest total of eighty of the african nations so salute tulsa rocket agree to white gold power. Crews ed ed To all the giving stay come up with would best has not cube. They just have candidates but that julia dropped fight. I go to find out if it's a real thing. I'm pretty sure but yeah power crews now for the beta vict- the final batch of this pay-per-view roman reigns would fit you. Championship gives day. O'brien s does back just became a triple threat match after the results of the best that they had were day. O'brien got his way into the batch at fast lane. I'll say this. This is probably a desperate business. This is the thing that worked out for. Everybody why daniel bryan is just prices. Last hurrah edge big story roman reigns the beauty of this batch. Is this a guy who was out for months. Due to leukemia a guy who they thought would never wrestle for decades Another guy who they thought would never wrestle again due to customers or whatever will come together as the main event a russell bay that's dope the end result is this is resume submitted. Here's already hall of fame. You can't do nothing more than that right. He'll probably be a two-time hall of famer ended up him as a christian as the tag team. Which i think needs to happen roman sits at the table as the big dope. He's the guy he's not necessarily start a future. He's the star now. And ill worked at around daniel brier. I think was dispatched. But i think he wins. It would bore overcoming underdog story. This will be the first event live. Phase will be back in over a year. They'll have twenty five thousand fans type. Still have the screens yada yada yada so still have people piped-in that way but for the most part it will be. I have a got people. There are yes Rocket it is what it is. Dale bryant is gonna have that place until a it's gotta go is gonna be colossal will move away day. O'brien at roman will few roman. I will get the belt back at backlash or the vet but right now it's about the moment in the moment will be with day. 'cause roman will have to feud and then he'll get the built back then they'll do something that'll bill to summer slam maybe with daniel men with somebody else. But this one's gonna be about the moment and that's what they of. Brian will win the title. So our preview for russell recipe there will be a recap next week. I far out is late for saturday a week from now it will be a bigger and i save mega recap show. It will bring together to podcast. We will do this thing together. It will be available or both of our streams so it's probably the first half. I think we've done something joint wits by like we've showed up other people shows but to do something to a joint venture die. Fake will work out. It'd be a really dope. Show all good back and forth submitters e with four for four people please to listen. It'll be us it last. Wrestle culture should be at towel so it'll be here will It could go like voltron at its crack so i appreciate you off listed. I appreciate everybody you know just for just for hanging out with till years You know we go closed show. It just have guitar piece around. No track biggest with acid rain around thinking. 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455: How to Create Great Relationships, with Colleen Bordeaux

Coaching for Leaders

37:49 min | 1 year ago

455: How to Create Great Relationships, with Colleen Bordeaux

"Jim Rohn said you're the average of the five people you spend the most time with on this episode the key steps for improving the relationships. You cultivate this is coaching for leaders. Episode four hundred fifty five produced by innovate learning maximizing human potential readings to you from Orange County California. This is coaching for leaders. And I'm your host Dave Stanhope. You leaders are born. They're made in this weekly show. Helps you discover leadership wisdom through insightful conversations. I think so much about conversations in my work and in the work of our KADEMI members and our listeners. And of course if we're going to have the best conversations we need to be mindful of the relationships that we build and perhaps more importantly that we nurture as we go forward in our lives both professionally and personally today. I'm glad to welcome to the show. Someone who is an expert at helping us to build and strengthen great relationships and has doing some really exciting work. In this area I'm thrilled to welcome to your colleen Bordeaux. She is a bestselling author Speaker in human capital consultant based in Chicago. She has been published everywhere from the Chicago. Sun-times to the Huffington Post and has been endorsed by New York Times columnist in past guest. Barry Schwartz and Sunday Times bestselling author. Louise Parker her popular. Blog has reached more than two hundred thousand readers and she leads a women's mastermind group in Chicago. She is the author of the new book. Am I doing this right? A philosophical guide to life in the age of overwhelm colleen. We'RE GONNA learn if we're doing this right after this conversation. Right exactly exactly. I was so glad to welcome to the show. Thanks for making the time to be here. I was thinking about the quote that you have in the book from Charles Jones. That says you are the same today that you're going to be in five years except for two things the people with whom you associate in the books you read. Tell me about that. That's one of my absolute favorite quotes. And I think it's one. I heard a long time ago but over. The course of my career have found that to be true. And when I look at the people who I learned the most from and the people who have helped me become who I am. Those two elements the people or relationships. Those people have cultivated and the books they've read are what they credit for their success. And when I consider the course of my career in my life I would say those are two of the most critical factors for me as well. This is something that is a real challenge for us as human beings in general but I also think at this particular moment in history and technology. It's even a more of a challenge. Perhaps than it was a generation ago I was thinking about the work of Dr Vivek Murphy. The past surgeon general of the United States and thinking about loneliness and the research. They've done on loneliness and he's on record saying that loneliness as detrimental to health today as smoking a pack of cigarettes a day which is just amazing when you think about the medical and biological implications of that well. How do you see loneliness showing up when you're working with people in today's environment for such an important topic and I think that the first thing I'll say is I feel? As though our purpose and our fulfillment in life and at work or so connected to the relationships that we cultivate and a huge piece of your ability to cultivate. Relationships is to be able to show up as you are and show up as who you are and when I think about loneliness at work I can't help but reference my own experiences and also what I've heard from from colleagues and peers and people who I've talked to along the way and I think that being in an environment where it's a struggle to make connections where you don't feel supported to show up as who you are to to be yourself is a huge impediment to making real connections and the term authenticity is thrown around a lot. And I think that it is something that we need to dig a little bit deeper on as individuals and as leaders in workplaces. What it really means to me is dropping some of those walls and some of those fears and being open to connecting with people. Share your your real experiences. Who you are the challenges that you've had and how you've come to be so that it gives other people permission to to do the same in show up as as who they are. So that's my perspective on it and I think the research on the loneliness epidemic more. Broadly eyesight George Wells article on this and the Washington Post is really sad and I think there's in some ways a silver lining to it. Which is that. It's an epidemic but it also means that there's so many people who are craving real human connection and we just have to do a better job of facilitating it. One of the things that struck me reading your book is the where they came from me reading. Your book was just delightful. Just enjoyed reading it and one of the reasons for that is how much you share about your own journey and just how real transparent you are an authentic. You are about your journey and you mentioned a moment ago. Just your own journey through this and and loneliness. Where's the shown up for you? And where did you struggle along the way with loneliness for thank you? I love delightful as a term to associate book so I have gone through in my life periods of loneliness. I think it's the core part of the human experience I think everyone has felt at at at some point in their life and when I think about the time that I have felt the most lonely the most isolated. I talk about inexperienced. That's kind of personal to my family. When I was in highschool I have an older brother who became addicted to drugs and my family went through this upheaval and I felt as though my family became clouded in this dark shame and I was raised in an environment where it was very high. Achieving and kind of the culture of perfectionism was palpable at my high school in my community and I think my family not only struggled with my brothers drug addiction but also this sense or fear of of judgement around it and judgment from other people and so I felt very lonely because I was going through a challenging experience with my family and at the same time felt as though I couldn't share that loneliness in that struggle with my friends because they couldn't relate and I couldn't share it with my teachers and the other people in my network because I didn't know anybody who had a family member struggling with addiction and I didn't know anybody who I felt like would receive it without judging me or judging my family and it was really coming from this place of deep fear and and that wasn't necessarily true. I think as I grew up in my family worked through that challenge. I recognized that the moment I started to share about it was the moment I started to realize that it was actually more common for the people in my network to have kind of a dark spot or a struggle in their family. That had also felt afraid to share kind of coming from the same drivers that I was feeling at sixteen years old when this all started. It's amazing how we can be surrounded by hundreds sometimes thousands of people and yet truly be lonely isn't it? Is I think one of the saddest things to think about. And actually I have reflected in and when I put the story of my brother in the book I went back and forth on it but one of the reasons I decided to include it was because I would say it probably has been the biggest struggle in my family and in in my life and I think that the topic of addiction and mental health is something that people are afraid to address outright. They're afraid to to share. What they have personally. Struggled with. Their family has struggled with and what that does is it. Keeps the the darkness? Clouded and hidden and the cure for darkness is to shine light on it and not enough people do that and I think if we were to challenge ourselves to get over our own fears and share a little bit more about where we've struggled it would provide relief and hope to others who might be feeling alone and going through something very similar. You used the analogy of a crab in the book talking about relationships. Tell me about the crowd and and how that shows up for you yes. I've heard this crab analogy in a number of different places. I can't remember exactly where I originally heard about it. But there's been research done on crabs that if you put a bunch of crabs into a bucket it would be easy for any one of the crabs to just climb out of the bucket and escape and save its life but none of the crabs can ever get out of the bucket because the moment the crabs gets to the top the other crabs every time will drag him back down to the place where everybody else is and I use. This analogy to describe the negative relationships that we have in our lives and I spend a lot of time talking about how important it is for us to gain control over our own mindset in our own thinking and that fear based thinking where you are negative and judgmental toll and in general kind of destructive thinker rather than a productive thinker. Is something that you absolutely have to gain control over and squash if you want to live a full and meaningful life and so when I talk about the relationship chapter and the crab holiday I talk about how. It's so hard to take control of your own negative thinking and it's next to impossible when you are surrounded with people who are telling you every reason why. You shouldn't be positive in every reason why you shouldn't believe in yourself because they've never bothered to try it themselves. And the only way that you can truly navigate that is to as much as humanly possible. Avoid people who have succumbed to their own crab mentality and instead fill the relationship space in your life with people who are great influences of positive productive thinking and I think our human tendency I know for me is to look at the people around us who might be those kinds. That would pull us back. And that aren't thinking is as big and as magnanimous as maybe we are and yet the invitation you make is the starting point for breaking out is not to look at others but actually to assess your own status of you. Call your got your own crab status which I love. Tell me what that looks like. How can we in the midst of that bucket and that sea of feeling like we're not able to get further away because the culture of the organization or because their current relationships? What's the starting point to look and were? That's the most important step in improving relationships so I will share my own story. I I was a total crab. I was insecure. Negative gossipy super judgmental. And someone who got very jealous or envious when I would see people around me succeeding and happy and the root cause of all of was because number one. I was not introspective whatsoever. I was very insecure and afraid and I had no control over my own mindset. I gave zero critical thought to what I allowed to rattle around inside of my own mind and so when you think about the relationships around you I think you can't control other people that's a fact you can only control yourself so you have to really look at yourself in consider am. I A net positive in the lives of the people who I surround myself with am. I somebody who encourages and supports and gives positively and light to the people around me or my somebody who is quick to judge quick to shut down and somebody who struggles to nip my negative impulses in in the bud. And if you're not confident that you have been a positive influence on those relationships in your life then you really gotta start with your own mindset so when I consider gaining control over my own thinking and kind of helping myself evolved from a crab To a magnanimous finger as you called it Dave. So I'm going to steal that from you. My relationships blossomed because of that it attracts a different type of person to you. That might have wanted to hang out with you because they don't want to get infected by your crabbiness. Yeah and I guess the thing. I'm so curious about here is a lot of us. Have been that crab right and we all are that crab somedays still and so looking back now. You see that in the moment though that was so hard to see to see that insecurity and all the things you mentioned. What was the difference maker what you did what you read? Which you started thinking that got you to the place of thinking. Oh maybe there's a slightly different way to approach this. Yeah my lowest crab status moment. I was on a huge project and traveling nonstop. I was not taking care of myself and felt as though I had no choices and so instead of trying to fix the situation what I did was just allowed by negatively to run rampant and I decided that the problem was everybody else and my firm and I was going to get a new job and so I went out and interviewed and I had an offer for another role at a different firm and I told one of my mentors who sat me down and said Kalyan you can go ahead and take this job and you're gonNA potentially end up in exactly the same situation. What are you going to do that? If you move to a new firm and you run into the exact same roadblock and I remember that advice kind of hitting me like a ton of bricks and recognizing that changing my circumstances might momentarily distract me but I started to recognize that my own thinking was the real problem and right around the exact same time that I had that conversation someone recommended Eckhart Tole as booked to me the power of now and I decided to read it because I didn't have anything to lose. I had decided that I wasn't fully confident that changing jobs was going to be the answer so I read the book and in the book he talks about how most people actually are crazy in the sense that they focus on things they have absolutely no control over either things that happened in the past that they can't stop ruminating over and obviously can't change or things that might happen in the future that they have zero ability to predict or control and they completely miss focusing on what they can control which is their own thoughts and their own actions in this exact moment and he talks through how to start looking at your mind and being self aware and recognizing your thoughts as they come and taking steps to essentially shift. You're thinking so that your actions are more productive and that book was a Game Changer. For me and really got me. Started on this self-development Worm Hall. That helps me go from being this totally negative crab that you would never want to talk to on this podcast to I think somebody who has intentionally built a really happy and fulfilling life. Because I've gotten over that way of thinking. Yeah and you've learned how to do it right. It didn't just come. Naturally I think for most of us. It doesn't and most leaders I think it doesn't. There are the occasional exceptions right. There's the people who really naturally do this well and we all love to hate them right but for most of us. This is a learned skill. It's not something. Our schools do a fabulous job. At least most places teaching US relationship building how to really listen some of these core skills that are essential for leadership. And so you having learned that has been a key skill and you said something a couple times use the word mindset and I was thinking about that transition you talk about in the book of getting that offer and you had a mentor. Who set you down at some point and said don't run away from something run toward something told me about that. That's been one of the pieces of advice that I think about it. It's still gives me goosebumps so the idea that you can change your circumstances. I think is tempting that if you don't like something and you are uncomfortable. It is very easy to run away but the advice was that that essentially takes you nowhere and it doesn't move you forward that you are better off staying put and focusing on what you can control and seeking. What truly excites you in energizes you that you can't stop thinking about you. Look away from in that you want to run towards and it is a really simple frame but it's something that has been so inspirational to me in my life because in all areas of our life I think we run into times where it would be easier to simply walk away a runaway rather than really focus in on like what do I want my ideal situation to be and how do I find that and run towards it. It's one of those wherever you go there. You are kind of things exactly and then if you use show up in the third job over five years and curiously the same kind of difficult situations keep showing up. And you're the only common factor her right I know and so there's the invitation there for us to look inward which you you're challenging us to do and thinking about this beautiful advice you received love not running away from something which is so easy to do but it doesn't really change much for us but moving towards something. One of the invitations you make around relationships is consider who? You're not spending time with but WANNA be spending time with. What does that look like so I love that line about just thinking about. Who are those people that you would love to have in your life and when I think about that idea it's really looking at? Who are those people you want to be more like? You want to learn from them there. Some sort of light in them that inspires you and that idea is really. I think focused on back to looking at yourself. How do you become the type of person that they want to spend time with rate and I have learned so much through paying attention to those people in my at work? Who Intrigue me and are doing something that really interests in excites me and observing. And I think depending on context where you're able to kind of learn from those people that you do ought to have in your network. It's just a fascinating way to learn a fascinating way to look at where you are versus where you want to be in learn from those people who are already moving down that path and one of the things. I've been reflecting a lot on lately that I'm very intrigued by. This are people who can arrest. I know that sounds bizarre. But at this place where? I am right now. I think I'm doing so much and I'm so fascinated by some of the people who are in my life that I think are at this place of peace and rest and calmness at all times and I'm so intrigued pilot. How do you think. And how have you achieved that level of confidence to just be kinda perfectly at peace and resting and who you are at all times he. I think it relates to one of the close you site in the book which I've come across a few years ago and I love his that quote from Jim. Rohn of your the average of the five people you spend the most time with and if you are willing to do this proactive. Work that you've described of getting yourself in community with people who you really respect at Meyer. Want to be more like even if you did nothing else of ask them good questions think about the strategy for how to leverage the relationship better even if he did nothing else just by being in their presence just by being around them you start to become more like them you start to think more like them and you take on the things that they know and you understand how they think. I mean it's so true. I think that there's this infectious nature two words and thoughts and energy. I think every person knows what it's like to walk into a room and feel something right. You pick up on something. You can walk into a room where people are dejected. And kind of de energized and in a negative space and it's almost palpable. And I think that affects the way that you think and it affects the way that you feel versus if you walk into a room of people who are excited and energized in positive you feel a different way and I think that we don't talk enough about the impact that other people's thoughts actions and behaviors have on the way that we operate and that influence piece I think is huge and Jim Ruins quote. I love also because it makes you question. Who Do I spend the most time with? And if I really take a step back and think about who I want to be. Are Those the people that I really need to be spending my time with in order to to be that person for the people in my life who need me and when I first heard it I think I heard that quote? In the compound effect by Darren Hardy and I did take a step back and think about it. There's a couple of people who I think are making me potentially more negative and maybe more judgmental than I would like to be in my ideal version of myself and it's I think something every person should consider and I really liked thinking about this through the two different roads. You've eliminated of one. Is You know how do we maybe eliminate some of the relationships that or reduced some of the relationships that are not healthy and also how to increase the number of relationships that are really the kinds of relationships? I'd like to be in going going back to that. Crab analogy one way is to try to change all the other crabs in the bucket right which is not gonNA probably be very effective the other ways to hop in a different bucket as you work with people. And you're helping them to do that. Find who are the people? You're not spending time with really looking at this from the positive angle of it. You know regardless of who? Who's in your life today? We're the people aren't there. What tends to be a good starting point for folks to think about that and then take some steps to actually make that reality one analogy love to give is that makes us very real for people is looking at a parent child relationship every parent look at their children's threatens very critically when you think about a child going to school. Parents have a lot of opinions about who their child hangs out with. Because they know that their child is going to be influenced by that circle and if they're hanging out with kids who are getting into trouble lighting things on fire on the playground and totally not paying any attention to their schoolwork. Apparent would share that that. I don't want you hanging out with Sally. Who's vandalizing the playground? Why don't you try to be friend? Some of those kids who are volunteering after school or getting straight as that might be able to help you with your math that you've been struggling with and so when you take that analogy of parent child and think about yourself as the child in the situation and having an of this objective view of who you want to become and where you have some areas that you could use influence and inspiration. I think that really highlights where to focus and I gave that example. You know where I am in my life and one thing. I'm focused on is really incorporating more like rest and more peaceful moments in my life because I am very high energy and doing a lot. All the time intrigued by people that have been able to build in those kind of periods of rest and have the sense of calmness about them at all times and I have been finding myself kind of seeking those people out to learn from the way that they think the way that they operate and and what did they know that I don't and I can learn just by spending more time with them and when you have an interaction like that let's take the example of finding someone who's restful what does that look like. How does that? Actually you get a space where your being influenced by who they are. And they're thinking I'm going to give me an example of a colleague of mine honeymoons Brenna. And when I first started working with her I picked up on her com energy almost immediately and at first I just observed and I eventually went over and told her that I sense that she had this really calm energy around her. That was such an asset to our client into our project team and I was just curious on where that came from and how she approached her day how she approached sometimes challenging situations and she shared it with me and cultivating that sense of curiosity around how people operate and why they do what they do in just asking questions is a great first step. Some people will will tell you. I'm sure it's just a matter of preference but over the course of time you know she and I got to be closer and I think she has helped me start to put some things in perspective and give me some tactical ways that I can incorporate more of that piece in communist in my life and one piece of advice that she gave me that I started to pick up on was I mentioned to her that I was kind of feeling like I had a lot of stress piling up a lot of responsibilities piling up and she said what if you just didn't dial into those conference calls and I said I don't think I can do that. She's like why not just try it. What's the worst thing that could happen? And I started laughing because I had never considered it and now it's part of my process I will consider. Is this conference. Called critical is something. That's just going to create work for me. And if the answer to the first one is not critical and if the answer to the second question is yes it's just gonNA create more work than just won't dial in and it came from observing this kind of sense of calmness and peace from somebody who was very different than I am and asking her questions so amazing how we can get an our own heads on something. Isn't it. Years ago. I used to teach Shay corporate training program at a client site every day I would go in and reset the room because it wasn't set correctly and I would move out all the chairs and it would take like forty minutes to do this every week for almost every week of the year. I did it over a course of years and one day. Someone who is in the class showed up early and they said why. Are you moving all of the chairs in the room? You could just move half of them and you could use the same space upfront. And it was one of those moments that I just remember thinking. It never even occurred to me to think of doing it a different way than I had been doing. It like literally weeks of my life had been doing this stupid thing and it was one of those times. I remember kind of a silly example. But if you're only in your own mind about it and you never take the time to talk through it with someone else or allow someone else to challenge. It doesn't necessarily mean that you do it the way they suggest. But if you're willing to at least listening consider a different way someone who's not as emotionally connected to the situation can eliminate that through relationship awaken. Never get on your own. A hundred percent agree with that. Just somebody who can challenge the way that you think in the right way and give you a new frame that helps you live a better life. I think that only comes from relationships like this example. I gave Brenna. The reason that she's so calm is because she doesn't put herself in stressful situations that generate extra work that you can't handle and that seems so obvious when I say it out loud but it took me really observing her and recognizing I needed some of that kind of calmness and peace in the way that I approached it really wind understand kind of how does she think differently than I do and her influence on me. I think has been huge. I'm certainly not somebody. I would call it a example of calm and peace. But she's given me some really great tools that I wouldn't have had otherwise the path of courses there are times that you do need to put some distance between yourself and another crab and thinking about personal situations with family. Those are situations that are tough to navigate and sometimes a relationships. You don't necessarily want to end. But a bit of distance and navigating the relationship differently can help when the time is right to create a bit of distance. What's a good starting point for people? I think that this is such a highly personal question but I would recommend considering how you feel when you're around certain people and I've started to recognize if I'm around somebody who makes me feel anxious or makes me start to doubt or feel a sense of judgment or fear. I don't want to have them in my space and I don't think that anyone does that intentionally. I don't think there's anybody out there who goes about their life wanting to make other people anxious or fearful or doubtful or wanting to judge others. I think they have never considered another way of operating but I almost wholesale have taken a step back from those relationships and those people in my network who make me feel that way and I would recommend kind of just starting with the way that you feel in the way that you sense another person's influence on you to gauge if they are kind of taking energy from you even if they are the nicest person they don't mean it if that's what do you. That's a great person to consider. Maybe taking a step back from an opening that relationship slot in your life. I really appreciated your work. Just of how authentic you are and how much is as you said you know this is. This is what you've learned. You've been on the journey and I think sometimes when you've learned something and you've dealt with all the struggles and you've gotten better at it as clearly. You have years just in a place to be able to teach it so much better and I just appreciate all the all the wisdom you've given us in the analogies examples today so the book is am. I doing this right of philosophical guide to life in the age of overwhelm. I've taken notes on calling spoke. Have those in the book notes in the Weekly Guide? So Watch for that. Call Him one final question. As you've been on this journey over the last few years of doing work in living life and doing it differently as you've talked about what if you changed your mind on in the recent past so I have been doing a fellowship at MIT have center for collective intelligence? And there's a really smart professor. There named Tom Malone and we were talking about some of the human skills social emotional that drive group intelligence or collective intelligence and I talked to him about the importance of confidence in overcoming self doubt as a really critical skill and he challenged me on that. And said I think you're wrong about overcoming self doubt? I don't think it's something that you can overcome and I don't think that it is mutually exclusive with confidence and it really got me thinking and I ended up changing my mind about this idea of self doubt. I used to think that it was a problem that needed to be eliminated and a roadblock to true confidence but Tom Helps me to understand that. It's not something that is necessarily a problem or something. We can even overcome. It's always something that's GonNa be popping up as we go and it's really number one a sign that you're pushing yourself pasture comfort zone taking risks and number two. It's fuel rate. It's something that you have to consistently assess and overcome and kind of build your courage and it can be a source of continent something that demonstrates you have the ability to continually overcome yourself out and push yourself in accomplish things and can arrest in in who you are. That's something that I have changed my mind on an in a pretty big way and actually have a good quote on that for you so on that topic of self doubt. The quote is by Richard. Eyer and it's I can't think of anyone I know who isn't fueled by self doubt it's an essential ingredient. It's the grit in the Oyster Colleen Bordeaux. Thanks so much for your wisdom. Thanks so much for having me. This was fun. If this conversation was helpful several related episodes. Also want to check out one of them's episode to seventy nine. How to grow your professional network with Tom Henschel? Tom and I talked in detail in that episode on how we can look at our professional relationships. Not just as the Huntin analogy that many times we think of when we think about networking events of going out and finding as many relationships as we can but rather transitioning a bit more toward the gardening analogy of. How do we really grow and cultivate the kind of relationships that we want to be sustainable for us for hopefully our entire careers Episode two seventy nine is a great inspiration for how to take the first steps to do that. I'd also invite you to check out episode. Three forty six how to build relationships at conference with Robbie Samuels robbing? I talked in that episode on how to do something. That's uncomfortable for a lot of us but also a wonderful opportunity for many of us which is building relationships when we are at professional events specifically at conferences. Oftentimes there's a tremendous opportunity there and many of us myself included have missed those opportunities. Because there's that discomfort of how do I start a relationship what we do to take the first step? Those common fears that many of US run into an episode three forty six some really helpful and practical tactics from Robbie on how to establish great relationships when you're at a professional vent also recommended is episode three sixty to grow beyond would've safe with John Corcoran good reminder in that conversation on how to get beyond our comfort zone and the importance of doing that consistently relationships of course a great example of that as colleen and I talked about today and then finally colleen talked off-line about the work of Preah Parker and how helpful that's been to both of us in thinking about how to create even better relationships. She joined me on episode three ninety five. The topic then was how to create meaningful gathering. She's done some fabulous work on that and it's a wonderful starting point if you are in the place where you're hosting events or maybe like to do more of that big end professionally or personally and just some wonderful invitations. Therefrom PREA on how to structure the expectations around events in a way that build really meaningful relationships. All of those episodes you can find on the coaching for leaders DOT COM website. And if you will take a moment to set up your free membership at coaching for leaders DOT COM. You can search the entire archive by topic of all the episodes that have been aired since two thousand eleven. I do occasionally get an email from someone that says. Hey how do I get the episodes prior to the the ones that are showing up on I tunes and the other services? I wish we could have all of them. Go to the services. Unfortunately they only show the most recent three hundred episodes but you can find everything at coaching for leaders dot com the entire library so check that out also receive my weekly leadership died in all the benefits of free membership including one of the audio forces ten ways to empower the people. You leave a great follow up to this conversation next week former. 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Episdio 4 - Aliengenas existem?

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Who Is Alphabet CEO Sundar Pichai?

WSJ Tech News Briefing

12:43 min | 11 months ago

Who Is Alphabet CEO Sundar Pichai?

"So your business encountered an obstacle don't just bounce back bounds forward with comcast business get serious internet powered by the nation's largest GIG speed network be fast flexible ready for what's next and bounce forward learn more at comcastbusiness DOT, com? This is tech news briefing. For Monday, September fourteenth I'm Llewellyn for the Wall Street Journal. Who is soon, Darpa Pichai the CEO of Google. Parent at. Commands one of the biggest companies in the world's and yet rarely finds himself in the spotlight today are Puerto Rob Copeland. Will help us take a look at FA, Chai and what his past can tell us about Google's future that's coming up after the headlines. Oracle has won the bidding war for the US operations of tiktok according to a person familiar with the matter Oracle is set to be announced as the social media apps quote trusted tech partner in the US and the deal probably will not be structured as an outright sale the person said. The move comes as Tiktok has been caught in the middle of geopolitical standoff both China and the US have been ratcheting up restrictions that put any chance of a deal in question and our reporter George Wells says, it's not clear whether the arrangement will satisfy either countries demands. We don't know yet at this will satisfy the US regulators concerns. Their questions have been about the security of the data users and the parties involved in the deal believe that this setup should satisfy the concerns of US regulators. Now, the other side China has also had their own concerns about selling critical technology to the US. And our understanding is that at this point, really the balls more in the court of US regulators and Softbank is nearing a deal to sell arm holdings to Invidia for more than forty billion dollars that's according to people familiar with the matter farm designs the microprocessors that power most of the world's smartphones and Invidia is a growing industry player. It's chips are used to run calculations for graphics. So it plays a big role and things like video gaming and cloud computing. We've been reporting on deal talks for several weeks and an agreement could be finalized as early as this week. If it does come together, it would be one of the biggest acquisitions far this year and potentially the largest semiconductor deal ever. Up. Next. We take a deep dive into alphabet CEO. Soon Dr Pichai that's coming up after the break. So, your business encountered an obstacle. Don't just bounce back bounce forward with comcast business get serious powered by the nation's largest GIG speed network be fast be flexible. Be ready for what's next and bounce forward learn more at COMCASTBUSINESS DOT com. Google and its parent company alphabet on the precipice of several major challenges regulators are expected to file antitrust lawsuits as early as this month and other example some faith company isn't as innovative as it used to be. A CEO of alphabet sooner Pechanga will play a key role in how the company navigates the headwinds, and while Pichai, is not nearly as in the spotlight as the other tech leaders. He's already had a long history Google, and by taking a look back, we can try and get some clues about how he might move the company forward a reporter Copeland joins us with an inside look rob. Thanks for joining me. Thank you. So, at the tech hearing before the House antitrust subcommittee earlier, this year Pichai himself as an immigrant sort of the picture of the American dream. And wonder if you could start by telling us more about the Chinese upbringing shore so Definitely outlier in many ways in Silicon Valley perhaps the most famous way that he stands out is that he was born in. India. So he grew up middle-class for India but not necessarily add western standards. He famously talks about growing up and getting in his first. Rotary phone. He is in such an older guy that the technology was just a lot less developed there. So he speaks frequently about the connection that he feels to technology and the knowledge that new technology can really change someone's life. So pettah eventually came to the US for Grad School. How do you find his Google? He worked relatively ordinary corp jobs until he joined Google right after its IPO google was not the Google that it is today it really was just a search engine. Quickly impresses people for his ability to one build consensus, which is true to this day, but also get the job done his first major job at Google. toolbar product. So before there was chrome there actually was an add on on your browser to search google. So his job was to convince companies like Dell when they sold you a laptop to have an automatic google search bar on there. So he's moved through the ranks since then becoming CEO of Google and then last year taking over as alphabet. CEO How did he make his way up the ladder? What's so remarkable is he's been at Google for sixteen years and we even though we're the Wall Street Journal have never done a full profile of him. So a big part of my task for the last few months was really unpacking who he is and how he got to this position and what really emerges is that Google was a place and still is a place with big personalities people who scream at each other people who say we should bet the farm on this or that and what sooner sort of did. was stay in the background, but he was also very careful that whatever he did it worked starting with toolbar but that extends to chrome the browser which he co lead and is now by far the most used web browser one of the big reveals of this reporting for me was that he's a very strategic person. It's not an accident that he stayed in the background for instance, someone who used to report to him. Told me early on in a meeting with with Larry? Page. who was CEO of Google before soon Dr Sooner made sure that they never disagreed in front of Larry. He really didn't want anyone to see any cracks and this also emerges in a lot of the people I spoke to some of whom sooner himself suggested that I speak to. But then when I got on the phone with them, they didn't seem to know him personally well. So he he keeps it very close to the vest. So it sounds like he's pretty deft at navigating the company politics now that he's in the top spot. What's he known for as a leader? So to a man to a woman ever and I spoke to said that sooner has a tendency in the middle of meetings to stand up and begin pacing in the middle of your presentation. He won't say anything necessarily sign that he likes or doesn't like it. It's just signed that he's thinking. So you can imagine people have spent weeks preparing for the CEO and he leaps up in the middle just starts pacing it can be quite disarming frankly this comes back to the criticism. Of Soon Dr to standing up in the middle of meeting and pacing as you think is not necessarily your traditional hey drive the car forward leadership. There's a big knock at Google today it's that and this comes from investors analysts even some executives of the company it's that the company is pretty much operating on autopilot. It makes almost all of its money from online advertising and you don't really have to do much besides sit there and the money comes in adding an extra add to youtube isn't exactly a high level. Decision. So the criticism is that sooner hasn't necessarily made the big move to position Google for the next decade on the other hand. When you have such a head start that Google has just not messing up is a billion dollar proposition. And what about as a coworker? What's he known for that? The best thing that's has going for him is that people genuinely like him in fact, one of his deputies Caesar. Gupta told me he loved sooner Pichai. He said the reason I stayed at Google this long as because of Dr He's someone that I trust. He moved to Jakarta because soon are asked him to. People. Say in this world where everyone is obsessed with Silicon Valley with what is happening in Menlo Park and Palo Alto and San Francisco that soon Dr a truly global outlook that he cares for instance, about Google pay in India where there are many multiples number of people using payment products in there are in the US. But tacitus surly had as much investment and one of the really fun things that is in the story is he's very much a creature of habit. You can imagine your CEO of of Alphabet you're traveling the world whenever he's in Korea he goes to the same burrito place an orders, the same Veggie Burrito. And in this world of he's hard-driving CEOS who appear in TMZ or go through high profile divorces. Everyone says that sooner Chai's legitimately just a kind nice guy. So, switching gears a little bit. If we look to the future, there are a lot of challenges on the horizon. Google and alphabet. Given, what we know about Pichai how might we expect him to steer the company through these challenges? There's no company in Silicon. Valley that has more pressures right now than Google there are attorneys general from almost every state and the federal prosecutors are looking into filing antitrust charges. This mostly focuses on Google's AD business and interestingly soon, Dr until becoming CEO of Google did that much to do with the ads he was really more focused on the products and the products at Google aren't anyone necessarily thinks they're dominant at now. For instance in testimony recently in Washington is that he's very very tight he doesn't like to answer the question. So he's going to have to make a decision whether he's willing to spin off of this company. And it's really anyone's guess what he says. And you mentioned that the company has also been accused of sort of innovation stasis. What about that friend? Exactly, and we should say a Pichai chose not to speak with me for the story, which is his right. I spoke to a lot of people at the company and I said where too soon are see the future and all of them said, he sees it in a I in artificial intelligence. The problem with that outlook is that basically every company large and small Silicon Valley sees the future and That's not necessarily a differentiated outlook. Now, Google has more money than almost anyone on earth and they certainly can afford to hire as many smart thinkers as as possible. But at some point, you do need a person at the top to say, Hey, we're headed here and simply saying, let's use more artificial intelligence. That's not. All Right Are Puerto Rico planned rob thanks so much for your reporting. For we go we're living in a unique moment in history, and while we're all figuring out how to navigate the current moment, the Wall Street Journal is thinking about what comes next that's why we've been putting a virtual live event series where we talked to experts about the big changes coming to the ways that we live work and play. It's called the future of everything series. Last week, we held our future of social media event. One of our guests was Andrew frame the founder of the public safety APP. Citizen. Citizen aggregates, public information and users eyewitness reports to provide real time updates about crime and other safety incidents. But in the pandemic citizen, meet a quick pivot and the ad contact tracing the opportunity. Here's what frame told us about how it works. Well, if you have a safety APP, you would expect it to keep you safe from all matters and initially we didn't understand how we might be able to play a role in the pandemic even though it's clearly a safety. Issue and then we figured out well, if we take our thirty percent network of New Yorkers and we have them opting to Bluetooth, which is a ten foot radius the same as a contagious disease, and now if the Bluetooth see each other, it can keep track anonymously. So if somebody later test positive, all of the other Bluetooth spheres if you will, we'll be immediately notified anonymously not exposing any identity but just saying, Hey, you may have come in contact with covid nineteen. We have lots more events coming up in the future of everything series. You can check it out and register at future of DOT WSJ DOT COM. Okay. That's it. For today's tech news briefing. I'm your host man Llewellyn thanks for listening.

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Lashley Wins and Shaq Attack

Ring Time Pro Wrestling's tracks

40:17 min | 5 months ago

Lashley Wins and Shaq Attack

"Bobby heenan link your man. You've got a devil of a time controlling him going against ivan not have a devil of a time controlling the missing link. Sometimes you don't even get to the ring. Sometimes he takes a wrong turn. It could happen. It can happen to anybody. Haven't you ever gone up the wrong. I'll cutting in the wrong car. I did once. Yeah left the wrong way. When i heard the bell ring. Well i'm gonna tell you something about the missing link and been puffy now. The cow palace. I don't particularly like call palace here in san francisco said because i don't like the role of animals that's why i don't like cows livestock. Husky should feel right at home. He's gonna think he's back home with mom and dad well as much as it's the outdoor sent to you is the same link. Now put that down. Okay stop it now. If you can't control the second control him let me talk about george. Wells wells is from the bay area oakland from oakland. Wow what a claim to fame that. 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I was like universal conspiring against me but neither here nor there some wrassling all right so basically this show will be long but the biggest happened is a week kinda confined to you know once. Show so let's get to it. Wrong is the first raw after the nation chamber right. No it's the second raw last week was the first one 'cause mir's got a reprieve to delay his a title shot with lashley lassie defeated strongness. Alexia world shot last night. It was like yo when is going down. Mir's was like nah. i can't do it bubble. Guts. i'm not gonna tell you that it's untrue. Demand bogart's near me 'cause he was similar ground holding his stomach awfully stoker legit. I know stomach but also with us but you know eventually we got to it. But you drew mcintyre vs shameless. Let's talk about drew head interested matt's first time we saw because he didn't show it last week right so we can't look this wounds and this is the first time we saw former champ. He made his statements. He did his talking and He's interesting belt back but first he has to deal with shameless shameless. Who i think did not want to be in this position either but still don't like drew right. I thought they put on a very good match. I thought it was a definitely so clinic in brutality would would allow of dc like this is a. We need like three shots. Now i'm saying but one right. But i think it's show 'cause they have history they have the size. They have all the tools that make the few good right. But it's gonna go live. There's no back down. There's no renew rink. Try somebody you know out of town or something you know like this is just ahead. Updating and i thought that matched was one of the best mattress. I've seen in a long time and that's a lot because you know i just don't wait. Praise like that. But that was it Would you take for or were you more so at nine jack sources. Naomi which allows us soco's may only was is a different position. 'cause she's coming back they strapped with lana which basically is like creative has nothing for you that they have just been like a no. I'm laughing at show. A dynamite played in the background. Big show came with. Hallway is new t-shirt. A w says no more bs which you can interpret as noble big show but also be bullshit right exactly i like the latter. Was you know maybe so. You know but naomi's Guest the win would goods usual. Mammy hogue at it. My whole spot near me so we got through lance charlotte. Devik shayna charlotte says. She wants to be no more than ten for awhile title. When naomi was there she got could cuss by oscar but You know interested Riddle house prior to feed it. Retribution retribution then. Will backward a match for was able to defeat riddle. Who i feel for hours out of all the characters i feel for is ali and no so our lee is the guy who could have been koffi. Koffi right cova shot in alabama. They should change. Because i we get hurt but did it just catch on like wildfire after that here at the somebody choking in took them took them up less less Up to her is out. Were my brain totally live earth. Like oh snap like my body use obselete. Does it florida. Matt's bobby lashley finally gets his hands on his. After ms ran out in the first match and got out To secure. that doesn't happen. They may stipulation where you know those those. Come kinda weirdo becky. With the thing in person you know. Yeah but we got our outcome. Whatever the case may be is the end in that matter. Because that's what. I was the whole point. I mean and i have to say that. I had to look up. What was going on Comme short this was real. Because i hadn't seen him at hers by I had so hours you nahles like tweets and stuff and everything fan that lastly f one and that he was champion national. I know somebody's lying the colorado. This can't be true but it just turned out to be true. Lastly won the title from the viz that night. And i i decided. I go live high excited for him. You know is well desires. It is definitely well disaster. Well so i felt so good. Who came back right first time long time Dominant imposing champion sheraton. Mvp right do you realize that the shop. There's not tv that much says guys and it was getting jobbed out because i guess he got this right gown together. It is crazy because you're right they were Get in we'll cedric in sheltered. I know weren't getting weren't getting. tv time you know. we'd question. did they will still there you know. And then lastly who was in this incredibly dumb storyline. I mean just absolutely stupid and everything changed once. Mvp got involved. I love it. The hurt business is one of my favorite actions here like i am just thrilled that now. They have the w. w. f. champion. I mean i'm sorry. Wwe champion saying l. Doing too much and the raw tag team. Titles you know saying all together last time this happened with when kofi won the title wrestlemainia and it was him and the Is here and be. I had the smackdown tag team. Titles at that point and nonetheless you know loving the black excellence. That's going on with it. All you know what i'm saying. The hurt business is definitely money right now and. Mvp is doing an incredible job with this so kudos to him kudos to Lashley or definitely get nat belt across his shoulder. You know saying i. I'm hoping for bigger things for the faction as a whole but honestly it's well deserved and i'm excited. You know. I had to say. I'm excited to see what happens. You know so. But i think it was a great indian to raw definitely worth watching and and another thing that I actually seen earlier is like you know people talk about. The movie is but people don't understand how great a wrestler he is the accolades that this man has is incredible. You know what i'm saying. And he's a definite hall of famer. Like bobby lashley didn't just beat anybody and personally even with who's tidal ranges. Being just a week. It was worth watching so it could go on. It might not but at the same time you know it was worth it. It was worth seeing you. And i just wonder how everything's going to get set up four wrestlemainia as we go into 'cause we're in wrestlemania season now so i just wanna see how you know how this is going to play out with lashley champion and everything but hopefully it. It lands his favor He goes through many to retain the title. And we see more of them for that. 'cause to me that would definitely be worth worth at all I love the sportsmanship though was lashley giving this as letting people know like he ain't just anybody you know. Don't don't think that you know i. Even though i do deserve this tidal i had agreed upon that to me is commendable so yeah a lot is a lot. But it's definitely. I think to me is definitely a draw for all you know. And it's definitely worth seeing so i don't know but mvp is is. He lives with his name. Are you on that so but you know we'll see what happens next with him in the title. That's really all you can do. Yeah trying to think. Try to go down. I think we're gonna take a break. We'll come back. We'll finish up with news notes and then we will ov- u. a. Inexpedient we outta here. So i am just trying to get as to what we need to be. Once that happens we are in this crazy. 'cause like i can't fast of a knee when i need it. That is crazy. But i like my every day right there. Let's give them in the minimum to get off my chest. I'm happy you're here sean. Because i used to idolize you hell. We all used to idolize you and process on the used to. You had a chance to write your ticket. You had a chance to go off into the sunset as the greatest performer of all time line. And what did you do every single chance you got. You shuffled back out here and wave to the crowd. It was embarrassing and was his embarrassing as those wannabe legends. Last night is embarrassing. It's goldberg and a wrestling ring. Were embarrassing and that no one else around here has got to sadie your face. You were embarrassing I'm not going to disagree with you. It was embarrassing. I was embarrassed that you want to know something. What's more embarrassing to me. Is working your whole career given everything you've got and still left with nothing except being noon. Can range shawn. Michaels went there tom. So here we are. I'm gonna play a the have time for will also i i. It's cool i'd say. Listen my apologies i. It's been a long day so let's get to the news and notes. Joan crocket junior passed away. I'm gonna do a write up on the website. That's before a debt. But jim crockett. Juniors probably won't be most responsible for the modern wrestling that you see. He took over. Jim crockett promotions with his dad. Right bec- light wrestling which evolved to wcw before it was bought by turner ric flair to flourish there. Anybody who's anybody wrestled their dusty. He introduced us to dusty. At a different capacity so does he was always a top-drawer dusty. Always will territory was big but he gave dusty to book so dusty booking on national. Tv international promotion. We got the mind of dusty rhodes which is something. I think will be forever. Grateful for true Shout out to jim. Crockett and crockett family. You know what i mean and rest in peace kisha caleb. Braxton comes out as bi and deactivate her twitter why did she had to be activated twitter. A terrible wow. Like i hail. This is crazy right. Yeah i want it do this to people like really things all scanty be honest with you are without jobs. Terrible not that people probably sitting dick pic store or deals. 'cause they fuck a growth right. Yeah yeah this is harassment people right. Oh my god i can't. I'm sorry. He's shot out the kayla brexit though. You know you for what you're doing. But i can't i here stuff like that like i wonder what you gotta be such trash what we try it out. Oh yeah so what else you got me i. That's just. I'm sci arc view right. What is always folks out here doing too much to the point. Somebody idea they twitter. I can't even beyond with job. I was going on. But i digress. So here we are so who's sign with. Aws revolution right now. They have tipped big idea that after the big show. Saturday there's gonna be one more major signing all kinds of names have been flooded out there. You think aid talent. I've been wrecking my brain about it. And i don't know you know. Say i honestly i have been like really like wrecking my brain and trying to figure it out and trying to take guesses and i don't know i don't know i don't have an asset for you. So see dave batista. Both have ruled themselves out right off. You know out you never know. I'm trying to think who's not wrestler right now. That people will want to see your me. The ness where would go. I fi- heart. Press to figure out who that might be But yeah it's going to be interested. also jericho talks about how staying in big show are a w. because the disrespect. They felt a w. e. in how they were book raw. You know being going out. Here's what i say that you're gonna get a lot more crossover just because there's new game in town The game has money right right. So would the declaration got the ride on for a few years especially gaza. Tna but it wasn't a lot of money at tna so really the only place to really be a big platform with a big budget was a w we are waiting to do it. Okay but they pay that much now. Here you are. Deputy a. w. s. pay a similar. Dave retracted the big names. 'cause turner you know what i mean. So i interested To lead to inex- t is possibly moving to tuesday. Is there a concession to the wizard. That war was worker. Yeah yeah I actually to me. This sounds like you know of you got the upper hand. That's what it sounds like to me. i just you move on just one night over you know but at same time. It makes a difference. You know what i'm saying. I think that w e had got tired of having to fight for the spotlight. I guess you know. Got a w. happened. Liz as and a lot people tune. In so i think the move to tuesday night. It's definitely worth it. I think it's definitely a smart idea. This is definitely a big. I think if they also start trying to get back close to what they were before kapito television week right but no teaches own I may johnson said he's not going to the wwe hall of fame. And it's because. Vince told him he wasn't going. I could tell you i met. John wasn't going because i'm a fucking hall of famer right. He term great. He doesn't do that wrestling. We haven't remembered right. He was only black dude muscles walking around this time but yeah. Some people are delusional. 'cuse which do a w dynamite. This week Are you being this past week yesterday. I you know it. Okay so i get to to the big part. 'cause i miss i miss a w Last night unfortunately Because i had to work. But i did see what is the biggest news and a w in our sack. He was teaming up with Jada roles and he was wrestling. Against cody rhodes and Fred velvet so was actually in the match and he ended a whole power vom cody and he outside the rain and he he powered bombing other people he was really. He was actually active it so a sight to see i. I'm going to be happy with this One they'll keep using actor as an attraction. And maybe mike is set versus big show. Finally right right right. I thought comedian. Tom was working at thought. A lot of things. Were good of cape down to the brass tacks cargill Used appear she did a good job. but count vindicate your but shocking cody. I think definitely shot goes through a table. He sold it and out. How good so. Because i turn t. Tonight to see like the pick of the draft. He went down right day. They really sell this. like check. Guy really jacked up wrestling right. Where a so it was good. I thought inex- was decent. You know it cold if baylor at the end of like all right this is over right you know. Honestly was Having mixed feelings. I i because of the of of Undisputed era but. I think it's good for you. Know what type they had to break up like it was like four years. Continuous something right. Yeah so i think it was best for them to go ahead in the faction It definitely is going to be a great climb for the individual members as they gone their separate journeys I personally think that is going to be a more positive outlook for for them all now that they are on their own. So you know it it. It does to me. I think this is definitely work but Tires of the random attacks on valley like can we just not like we stopped that part. He's just reduce getting stupid. Like yeah leave him alone man. I just at least for one shows. Jeez you know. I get that you are trying to sell the whole hunt for the title in it but i mean y'all countdown. I quit the random attacks lease latest. Just right right right. that's what it is like all right to. Can we do lease so they are doing but From what i read was decent. I'm not you know. I'm not going to sit here. It say that it wasn't but best. That's something that i think is just starting to get over used and it's just too much right. I like we get fencing champion. The i won't title light is stop doing this already. Figured out another way to antagonize get on his murders. Like i like this. Beat to of a i'd actress you know You know. I don't know if i have anything else but it's full either so honestly so i do. I will say this I was reading about scorpio sky. I doing commentating. And you know so funny is who like. Oh you sound so arrogant and you just. This isn't is and it's like i mean. Doesn't that play to character. Like i don't understand what you're saying like what. What are we doing i i. I laugh at wrestling comments like the rest of groups in at times. Because it's like how seriously are you taking right now. You know Some things of course like out. We're talking about on the show like they doing a show and everything to me. Everything's work. i'm not gonna sit here and you know but it we were saying if this was something that was done outside of aid of dynamite. Then i would probably be like. Yeah he's he's he's just doing too much. You just sounds ridiculous but you know i mean yeah you know but we're talking about the show here like i don't know what y'all want i need you. He's to wrestling fans novas just the work. That's what he's doing. he doing his job. Leaving alone i would. I don't know what if she was fake. I don't know who this person is that they have signed. I'm outta guesses. I'm not gonna say here in. Try against anymore. You know 'cause. I don't even know what direction to go in. It's like what you know and like you said Teesta and seeing punk themselves out. So i mean i don't know i. I'm not touching it. I'm gonna leave it alone. But i got nothing else. I don't know i. I've done both so i had to throw in that little tear did because it just works my nerves. Sometimes you know. I part of me say would i think i'd eat be doing 'cause they round up especially some of the tens and post like what is this. I was wrong for travel. I be if you wrestling fan orissa fan. I'm not saying we don't have our opinions because of course. Hey where we at now. But jeez i is negative all the time. And it's like i've already out calmed combat. So all right. I'm doing. I'm i'm get off my soapbox. I'm going to get off my soapbox but at night. So i'm trying to think if there was anything that i missed in the news because i feel like there was something else that i wanted to add to it. You know how you draw blank. I've drawn a blank. So the skews people. I do this all the time i go to think about something and i forget and then i just it's terrible. You know i would say. I'm get no but i'm young i'd i'd i'd like that. Excuse no but that's it. that's okay. I promise what i think. Our nephew snuck downstairs. Okay never mind. He's upstairs so people keep us tonight. Yes i think that's pretty much of the I i'm looking at the notes. I don't see anything else. Does person Appreciate you daven in there knocking it out. The park was always of course. You know i'm here. You know what i'm saying. I try to maintain you know. Entertain the people of course. Because hey you know. I'm glad y'all within us. I'm glad to you're listening. You know You'd hey we won't try this again next week. I think he. Should you know what i think. That'd be a great thing to do on my birthday. Because you know starts day basis. I i turn thirty four next stars and you know saying like so. I'd say this would be a great addition to birthday. Yeah we don't do that so y- tune in next week. 'cause we're gonna do my birthday for our cats and i'm excited about that. That's going to be so we love y'all y'all have a wonderful night people. Good night bye.

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Dark Horse NFL MVP

The Stephen A. Smith Show

38:47 min | 1 year ago

Dark Horse NFL MVP

"The first take your take. Podcast is presented by capital one. This is banking reimagined. Kevin Connors in today for Jason Fitz got a great great question to get some action on the phone lines if you could pick one athlete or team in the history of sports to do another last dance type documentary series about who would it be. Give us a call. Eight eight eight seven two nine three seven seven six eight eight eight say. Espn you can tweet me at at Kev Connors. Espn use the HASHTAG. I take sports editor headlines Right now. Nascar will return on Sunday with cup. Series racing at Darlington. No practice sessions. No qualifying fans in the stands just racing anti comes. Your way on Sunday may time for the world of college sports. The MAC. That's the mid. American conference has announced notable changes to its sports beginning of the twenty twenty one season. Men's and women's basketball tournaments have been cut from twelve teams to eight teams conference tournaments being eliminated altogether in eight sports including baseball softball and soccer. Straight talk wireless doesn't play Games. Get The unlimited plan with twenty five gigs of high speed data. Then two G. for just forty five bucks a month. Saving you up to fifty percent against the big carriers no contracts. No compromise savings may vary see terms and conditions at straighttalk dot com other Hagler hearns. Affair between Max and Steven this morning we're talking about the NBA and the possibility of a return according to woge owners and executives on an NBA Board of governors call on Tuesday left the virtual meeting feeling increasingly positive about a resumption of play. This season that led to the question debated by Mac Steven A. And Jay Williams which side should have the final say on who returns the owners or players. Here's the deal. I'm I'm of the mindset that you know. It shouldn't come down to the players. There's a commissioner of the National Basketball Association for a reason. I certainly understand the mentality. Let's not lean on owners. Let's not make the let. The owners make the decision as if they have the best interest of all parties concerned. This always going to be some skepticism. Cynicism involving owners simply. Because you're thinking about the bottom line economically speaking and you definitely think along those lines When it comes to the owners just look at. What's transpiring with Major League baseball at this particular moment in time in terms of negotiations back and forth to win a Caesar should get started off. The season should be started at at all. But we have raved continuously about commissioner Adam. Silver his excellent as a commission. And it's not just about him working for the owners. Its unilateral decisions that he's made obviously after being advised of certain positions that people have or whatever he's made a decision. He has stood tall on many many occasions. The players appear to trust him evidence by no friction door collective bargaining negotiations and beyond obviously league odors. Trust him the public at large. Recognize him as an elite executive is a League commissioner that the professional sports in this country has ever seen. He's right up there. He's profoundly respected and so trust him to make this call after taking all sides all parties into consideration along with the information given to him by the medical professionals in this nation. If this is the commission for reason the players are getting checks. They're getting paid. Obviously that doesn't mean that you shoved aside safety. We understand. Safety is first. But everybody's situation is not the Sane Lebron James Might feel particular way. It might be different than another player. Who's getting paid a low amount of dollars not to say that Lebron would want to play because he wants to play where somebody that's getting paid that's not getting paid as much one would assume that they may not want much money or what would assume that. They may not want to play as much because they may not deemed worth worth it for them but in the end what it comes down to. Is that the oversee. Your is the Commissioner of the Basketball Association. Not The owners not the players. You take all information into consideration that you come to a conclusion that is Adam silver's job not the place. Well if we're talking final say it's in fact the players and to appropriate a phrase that we've heard applied to a broader society for lack of a better word the sensual workers so to speak in the NBA are the players. They're the ones who risk of spreading infection. Right it's spreading the disease because of contact with one another. They're the ones and by the way as more is learned about colds at nine nine. It's not simply well. You could wind up with with it in your lungs as I've mentioned impasse shows what is now being seen as that. It can attack the brain. The heart different organs. It's dangerous and mortality rate. Although still uncertain has hovered estimates between one and three or four percent of the flu. It's it's dangerous and there's no vaccine right so the people who are not just risking spreading the disease but also risking infection themselves. Have a right to say. Wait a minute. We're not comfortable with this yet. We don't think this is okay by the way is testing available. How are we going to make sure that? If one positive case comes up that we can isolate it and locate the virus by the way is testing not available. Can't do that. And Adam Silver and the owners Stephen A. On the same page in terms of we can only do this. If one positive test doesn't shut down the league right but it will if you can't have rotter testing and consensus among the players that they're willing to take certain risks. Well first of all there isn't a consensus. I mean I I shouldn't say isn't a consensus. The bottom line is every play is not going to go to the fact of the matter. Is this four hundred and fifty plus players in the National Basketball Association? Max and all of them say we don't WanNa play of course you shouldn't play. But if three hundred plus want to play and one hundred does it does that. Does that needs a decision. Has To be made which is why it should come down to the Commissioner. Of course safety is. I assuming safety is a priority. That's why they are no games. That's why the League has been suspended. Clearly safety is at the forefront of everybody's mind. I'm taking that for granted. I'm simply saying that when it comes down to a decision being made. That's what the Commissioner is therefore and as it pertains to essential workers which is something that you brought up. I got news for you Max. Kellerman essential workers all over the place in society right now putting themselves at risk for the betterment of the whole. There's a whole bunch of people that are getting paid considerably less that are putting their behind on the line and are deemed essential workers. This is why I'm opposed to the PR stuff that the leagues are concerned about for example if the NBA says we need fifteen thousand test Max that they said they're going to need everybody's looking at it and say well. Why should they get that? There are people out here that can't afford to get tested. What have you? But if those fifteen thousand tests enables you as a league to employ hundreds of thousands of people okay then you have to take that into consideration. See how about Steve Day side. Here this is not a socialist society. It's not a commune it's a business the NBA. And there's a boss. I mean I guess what I I have a lot of thoughts about how. Espn should be run. But I have bosses had ultimately. There's a head boss. And he or she makes the tough decisions in the NBA case. The head. Boss is the commissioner. That's why he's in that spot. And so the power lies with the Commissioner to make an educated informed safe equitable decision. Now if the commissioner since we're playing and then the players don't WanNa play because of health concerns then that's fine. I'm fine with that but then don't expect to get paid and if the entire player you'd need players. Union says we're not gonNA play then that's fine to the no season but if the majority of players do and some say we don't then you need a central figure to make that call and that's Adam silver for me it lies in the hands of the commissioner. We've been asking for your thoughts on a question if you could pick one athlete or team in the history of sports to do another last dance type documentary series about. Who would it be phone number? Eight eight eight say. Espn Don from Florida weighing in dawn. How are you today doing well? Who Do you think seventy dealers locate? Tell me why well from. They drafted the first year. The fresh leader drafted him and Mel one to sure are hall of famers superseded the draft. Pick you know. Many many players to fit in all the right spots and one of the that I've noticed is yet good. Drafting good coaches and good players. Not Everybody was great but they were all good and together. That team built a dynasty that holds records even to this day. It's a great call and we appreciate it. And you know what? Give me give me Terry. Bradshaw Gimme Gimme behind the scenes access with Terry Bradshaw. Give me a camera fixated on Jack Lambert. Twenty four seven mean. Joe Greene Lynn Swann and personalities on that football team and then Pittsburgh in the nineteen seventies gritty town. That would have been a great. That's a good call right there. I Jeff from Kansas about you jeff. You're going with. Hey how's it going man? I'm I'm going with shack. I think it'd be great to see all that inner stuff with the Orlando Magic. And then all the the behind the scenes trade with the Lakers and then all this stuff that went on with penny and then of course Koby Passing recently with all the stuff that went on with him and then he got dwayne Wade in the mix. You got all this stuff. I think I think it'd be pretty good and I wanted to say something real quick I've been laid off for two months and I just started back to work yesterday and it was because my company said you gotta go back to work so just like the NBA saying you know you gotta go back to work back to work number one. Jeff I'm extremely happy for you and your family that that's the case that you're back at work and that you're back making money it's something that's facing a lot of people in this country right now. We're nearing record unemployment. It's a real thing. Obviously in addition to all the health risks in the loss of life there are risks that come with with anything and certainly at this time there are risks in going back to the risks and going out to the grocery store. I'm for someone telling me you know. What the risks are at a point where let's give it a shot. We've gotta try at some point. That's me I'm glad you're back to work by love the idea of Shaquille O'Neal Mike from Florida if you could pick one athlete or team in the history of sports to do another last dance documentary series about who would be all right. I'll make it quick 'cause I'm At the drive through at Taco Bell. But it's too early to call this. It's IT'S GONNA be Tom Brady. Tom Brady's been through so much he's still playing. It's been with one team for X. amount of years. He's transitioning to a new team. Probably only going to be there for two seasons. God bless the go I think it would just be priceless based on the coaching situation in the in the roster that he that he's had for all those years great suggestion with Chalupa in hand. Well done bike. Alright trysted from Pittsburgh who you going with a big fan of the Pittsburgh steelers call earlier but I think a lot of these docu series have to have a combination of winning and controversy involved with them. And that's why I think fifteen twenty years down the road when all of the Houston Astros that are currently on this team retire and move on to other things. I think a Docu series on the Astros cheating scandal and the two thousand seventeen team will be really valuable for everybody to see also is an honorable mention. I think the entire world deserves ten part. Docu series just on Dennis Rodman's vacation in nineteen ninety seven ninety nine. You aren't full access inside or behind the couch. Where Carmen Electra was. Hanging is that I want cameras. I WanNa know who was there. I want to know what they did. I want to know where they want. I WANNA know every many really detail. Stamps everything you know what you made the point. And it's a good one like it's great to have these series potentially on great athletes. Of course it would be compelling but you've got to have an element of shock and controversy and Salaciousness and I'll sprinkle my own thoughts throughout the course of the show to me. How about the nineteen twenty seven Yankees about the babe? Ruth murderers row donkeys about a camera on Babe Ruth. Twenty four seven with that have been fun and then the polar opposite Lou Gehrig at just one thought Federal Credit Union has a mission put members. I by making their financial goals. The priority learn more at Navyfederal Dot Org and join today. We've been talking about who should make the NBA decision. Jay Williams joined Steven A. And Max waited with his thoughts as well. When you say it's the play is taking risks as if you get to stop in this day and age with this corona virus. Everybody's at risk that means the employees that work for the respective teams that will be in attendance to have to work at the arena to have to assist during the Games on that these players play. They are all at risk. It is not just a place and oh by the way the players risked is in greater than those people who are working who don't make as much money as the players. So let's be very very clear about that. Their risks are equal. It doesn't exceed the risks that other people working are exposed to. That's number one number two. You alluded to players. Being the essential workers. There are essential workers working in our society all day long in the medical profession in the service industry it's sanitation and Beyon- There are people that are still working that are putting themselves at risk every single day point number three the players themselves. It turns. I'm not saying they should have no say. Of course they should have safe. They are the players. They are the money the revenue generated for the sport. But excuse me. There's a commissioner for a reason now if you said to me pick between the players and the owners. I'm going to pick the players. But if you're if you're going to recognize the fact that even though the commissioner is employed by the owners that Adam is indeed a great commissioner that he does have the power to make these kind of decisions that he doesn't have to necessarily capitulate to the owners because obviously he has a league to oversee and be responsible for. That's what he's there for to take all things consideration and make these decisions. You heard what the players have to say. Whatever that is you heard what the owners have to say. You know what that is. You understand that at least in the League office. There's an excess of one thousand employees League watch it's probably exceeding the hundreds of thousands. Okay you are the Commissioner of the National Basketball Association. It's show responsibility to take all of those things into consideration especially what the medical professionals it buys and to operate accordingly and make a decision based on. I am not for the players making the decision. Because they're not on the same place you could have four hundred and fifty plus placed three hundred and fifty say. I'm ready to go a hundred. Say Hell No. I don't WanNa play the commissioner has to make that call that's what he's therefore he should be the one to make the call not the players not the owners the Commissioner of the National Basketball Association. That's his job Stephen. A Smith I'm with you on this one. I just when you think about Adam. Silver overall if you look at his past history and his scope of work he's always shown them the ability to actually be the neutral entity and do what's right and one of the things that we said. The beginning of this pandemic is that basketball has won the most progressive commissioners in the history of Sports. And just how pragmatic he is in his approach. And doing the right thing in here. If you're Lebron James Kevin Durant. We know they had this call the other day. And Adam said hey look. There is a risk here to some degree like if a player catches this virus. Like we can't shut down the chances of that happening. The probability of that are pretty high. We have to work through that guys open for that so I agree with you. I think he's exactly right. It's Adam silver and owners and something else that think about guys to interfere player. Interfere Lebron James. Even if you're all these guys who were at the elite level right. This league is one providing you the opportunity and the revenue to build your wealth. So if you put yourself in a situation the next year they have to cut up this. Cba drastically cutting payment schedules. Your drastically cutting what. Payment is in general once again. I'm not siding with the owners. I am with Stephen a Smith here on the commissioner. This is Adam. Silver final say decision the players. They WANNA play to a degree but even if they decided. Hey we don't feel comfortable but if you're player you have to put your trust in Adam silver. Because he's done right for you up into this point. I think Jay hit on the head to me. It's the job that is the commissioner's job period. Anyway that was the continuation of the NBA. Discussion we're asking if you could pick one athlete or team in the history of sports to do another last dance type documentary series about. Who WOULD IT? Be Dana From Virginia. Dana what do you think I think it should be? Kareem abdul-jabbar and I wouldn't call it the last half. I'll call it the first dance because he has to go. They always compan- Michael Jordan of and that when it comes to the size is good for compare Lebron and might even though the bomb bigoted might but when it comes to Korean. Say Oh he's a he's too big but this man dominated has dominated college and dominated twenty years in the NBA. All Tam School. He used the note. It should be the first day Kareem Abdul you don't Kareem one six. Mvp's in the nineteen seventies six power memorial high school in New York City. He was. He was untouchable when freshmen couldn't play at UCLA and he was on the freshman team playing the Varsity team. 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Georgia's also a six time all stop in two eight hundred nineteen George lead the NBA and steals per game and was named to the NBA. All defensive first of the basketball and throw it away. They lead and steel plate number thirteen clippers forward. Paul George. Pg Thirteen at number thirteen on the list. He's averaging twenty one points per game. This season on a stacked clippers team. I thought the debate got interesting. This morning Jalen rose joined Maxon Steven A. And they debated whether or not. Pg Thirteen has underachieved since leaving the Indiana Pacers in two thousand. Seventeen all Georgia's not underachieved. Look I don't think anyone looks at Paul George Goes. That's the best player on a championship team. If you have Paul George you need at least one other guy at least as good as him. He's Great. He's a great number two on a championship team which by the way he is right now. But the season was interrupted and had these playoffs been underway or or had they concluded when they're supposed to conclude if that was possible then people wouldn't be saying that Paul George underachieving like you Stephen. Because he would have just chipped up or come close to it because now he's got a running mate as a running partner. Look I love Russell Westbrook Russell? Westbrook is maybe my favorite player in the NBA. Because he goes all out all the time but he has not had ultimate success in the playoffs in spite of being some great teams having great teammates. And when you look at who Paul George has had replaced. Before he got to the clippers he replaced Kevin Durant. No one's out here. Paul George better than Kevin Durant. He's a version of durant. That's not quite as good. That's nothing wrong. With that one of the greatest players of all time Paul George is merely a perennial all star who in his better seasons challenges for. Mvp and went has happened. Stephen since he left in the end he went last year. Not this past season is not this season but last season twenty eight eight and four leading the league with two point two steals a game twenty eight eight and four and until he got banged up he was discussed as an MVP candidate he had never been discussed as an MVP candidate before. I'm not going to put too much on him about not taking his team deeper into the playoffs. I don't see him as the Alpha on a championship team. I see him as the number two or as as a one a or one B on a championship team. But if anything the estimation of Paul George is a player has increased since he left Indiana and got to. Okay see now to the clippers where. I favored him to win a championship. This year. Stephen Name Paul George has come up since he left. The Indiana Pacers the Oklahoma City Thunder. However they did underachieve at some point in your first rookie contract as a franchise. You need to designate. If your best player can actually be the best player on a championship caliber team and what is happening at some point in your career. Paul George. Anthony Davis real life. I can't be the best player here and win a championship. So I'm going to go wrong with Lebron L. A. I'm going to run with Russ in okay. See I'm going around with coli in Los Angeles since Leaving Indiana. As mentioned he became one of the better players and again to the point where he was top. Three in the MVP compensation that didn't create a level of value to the point that allowed him to get traded clippers for four first round picks. Now he gets a chance to play in his hometown. State Will Koala Lender on a championship. Continue Team and be coached by DOC RIVERS AGAINST. Get a chance to be close to the late. Be Be close to the Jerry. West Palm Georgia's J. J. Jalen I don't mind the Fernie you my brother. You know that. So I'll I'll come to you with this question and I'll throw it at you. Paul George has average twenty seven. Twenty eight twenty four twenty eight in his last four post-season trips okay. I know we all know that. Paul George is a star in this league a star on both ends of the floor by the way one of the most complete players in the game even as a secondary option like Mack said. I ask you this question Jalen. It is two thousand and twenty that great talent. That has Paul George who we all know is Great. Even though secondary option has not been out of the first since two thousand fourteen. You have no problem with that will. Here's what ends up happening when he was in the Eastern Conference and this is what the last dance exposed for me. How Michael Jordan kept so many hall of fame players from winning championships literally Stockton and Malone Reggie Miller? Patrick Hewlett Charles Barkley Gary Payton that was going to potentially happen in the East Lebron James if he initially stated Cleveland but he went and joined the way in my end so now all of a sudden players like Paul George. The Bulls were dared roles that close their opportunity to come out of the East Jalen rose hanging with maxim. Stephen a. This morning has Paul George underachieved. Since leaving the Pacers met I agree with Max. The answer is no guy average. Twenty eight points eight rebounds and four assists per game last season. What else do you want from an individual than that and look? He's played in the stacked Western Conference for each of the past three seasons. And we don't have this postseason to compare so we really only have two postseasons by which judge him by. Since leaving the Pacers I thought Jalen hit the nail on the head. Paul George is a store. He's not a superstar five superstars in the NBA. From like Lebron Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook. That's probably about it. You're not sliding Paul George by not calling it a superstar. He's a star so to say that he's underachieved since leaving the Pacers what. He's done what he's done in. Oklahoma City and this year in La. I think that's going too far. We've been asking you to get on the phones and answer the question if you could pick one athlete or team in the history of sports to do another last dance type documentary series about. Who WOULD IT BE JOSH FROM BOSTON? Go on the international route to a degree here Josh. Who is there? I mean everybody's always saying the obvious. Of course you know people like shock. They're GONNA get documentaries. And a couple of years from now you know the way for more stuff but had are made a career. Beat the Miami Heat in two thousand ten when the Bronx tip normally talked about him that much paved the way for people like Kevin Durant and stuff Okay you know. I'm feet but I got handles. Could shoot no talk about a guy to go from from Germany to the NBA and he was regarded but not expected to have a hall of Fame Career Dirk. I'm not sure that I'm signing up for a ten part series on Dirk. I might take an hour. But that's me Shane from Florida. Shane who do you think what's going on in So I got two teams in one player. Just let me work through it. I got the seventy. Two Dolphins obviously undefeated Yeah you say too much about that. Because that's the only thing is. There's not a lot of drama. Got The no name. Defense Don Shula. You know everything's by the book but then you have the Patriots who are chasing the Dolphin. A lot of drama with that played the giants then. His season didn't win the Super Bowl Law. Change cutting out on us there. Yeah you know. Look the seventy two. Dolphins are a great team. But there are a little much for me the whole Mercury Morris routine every year about popping champagne when the last team in the NFL is undefeated loses at a little much for me. Sometimes it's okay to just sort of say look at our record. Look what we did. We always have to remind everybody how great your that's me David from Texas with yet. What do you got? Yeah I've got the ninety six cowboys. the end of the era kind of have the last dance. Element there with them America's team the end of the dynasty. You had Barry Switzer. Coaching team You got those characters that you can Really play with Jerry Jones Jimmy Johnson Barry Switzer all the triplets. You got the controversy element to it where you can the flashbacks with going all the way back to Jerry Jimmy Berries relationship and Arkansas and then jerry firing Tom Landry and Jimmy's exit and hiring Barry Switzer You got all the players storylines from Michael Irvin's drug issues to Emmett Smith holding out and then chasing history Aikman already be on record saying he coach the team basically for Barry Barry Switzer Yeah call it breaking up the boys who we got. We got a working title at everything. That's the best one that I've heard yet because of all the reasons that you just said you've got the success you've got the personalities and you got a lot of drama a lot of drama. I liked that. The nineties cowboys. That's the best one that I've heard so for a tune into the conclusion of the last dance this Sunday nine pm Eastern on ESPN and listen to the wrap-up podcast hosted by Jalen and Jacoby immediately following the broadcast presented by State Farm and at and T. available. 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You can open a checking or savings account with no fees are minimums. Welcome to banking reimagined. What's in your wallet? Approval require capital one. Na member FDIC. We've been asking the question all day if there's an athlete or a team in the history of sports that you'd want to see a last dance type documentary don. Who would it be back to the phone lines? We Go Ronald from Florida Ronald how about you. Hey man first of all I want to say I think the school with Mike. I think he would be the one today to go with Mike. But There's gotta be Mike Tyson. I'm talking from birth through Teddy Atlas Costa Model Robin Givens. Everything Buster Douglas. The drugs everything. This this guy. He's he I can't think of more compelling person than Mike Tyson. That's where I'm going with Tyson to. That's a great call Ronald. Hey you know I mean you've got you've got the hangover over right. We could. We could devote twenty minutes of an episode of the hangover. Don King would get his own episode. All the people who's heads were knocked off by Mike Tyson. We could get them in there. That's a great call tune into the conclusion of the last dance this Sunday nine pm Eastern on ESPN and listen to the wrap-up podcast hosted by Jalen and Jacoby immediately following the broadcast presented by State Farm and at and T. available. Wherever you enjoy your podcasts back to the lines we GO CALEB FROM NEW ORLEANS. Are You Kaleb? Good how about you. I'm doing well. Who Do you like? I like the New Orleans. Saints starting with the aims with the bags on their heads to Jim. Mora to Hurricane Katrina Sean. Payton drew brees win in the Super Bowl. I think just that roller coaster of a franchise would be good. There are some compelling story there. There's no question ten hour long episodes. I don't know but I appreciate you rooting for your hometown. Team bill from California Seventies. Oakland as is your choice bill. Tell me why Kevin. Thanks for taking the call. 'cause the seventies as you got all those personalities you've got you know Vita Blue Joe Rudi Sal Bando and of course got the owner Charlie Finley. And then you have Reggie Jackson so you follow him from his days with the as two firms. What the Yankees. And you've got the seventy seven seventy eight Yankees with all that zoo. That was going on there. Those teams that we appreciate the call. Bill fashion forward in the seventies. Give me a good seventies piece. I'll sign up for that just about any day. Hey the all in challenge fundraising initiative continues and you can still bid on or enter to win great sports experiences and items and it's all to support organizations providing food to those in need. Many exciting experiences are closing this week. 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I'm missing on and all would Bo Jackson. I think would be good now. We haven't had of those. Most sports figures that and success that he had and we did have the thirty for thirty on Bo. So you WANNA go. You want to dive even deeper than that Sean. You want to see a ten part series on Bo Jackson lowlier From his college days to bond injury to baseball and the level of the guy was just amazing to me that. There's no listen no argument there and you could give me a whole episode on Techmo Bowl and I'd sign up for that to Jeff from Texas quickly Jeff Short on time but are you got yawn hate. He was a boxer back in the eighties The last time of hume from the rise to the fall off a ten part series on John Tate. That's in the works but we appreciate everyone for listening and calling in today. The will cain show. He says we will have sports. This fall here. Why coming up next.

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The Next 'The Last Dance'

The Stephen A. Smith Show

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The Next 'The Last Dance'

"The first take your take. Podcast is presented by capital one. This is banking reimagined. Kevin Connors in today for Jason Fitz got a great great question to get some action on the phone lines if you could pick one athlete or team in the history of sports to do another last dance type documentary series about who would it be. Give us a call. Eight eight eight seven two nine three seven seven six eight eight eight say. Espn you can tweet me at at Kev Connors. Espn use the HASHTAG. I take sports editor headlines Right now. Nascar will return on Sunday with cup. Series racing at Darlington. No practice sessions. No qualifying fans in the stands just racing anti comes. Your way on Sunday may time for the world of college sports. The MAC. That's the mid. American conference has announced notable changes to its sports beginning of the twenty twenty one season. Men's and women's basketball tournaments have been cut from twelve teams to eight teams conference tournaments being eliminated altogether in eight sports including baseball softball and soccer. Straight talk wireless doesn't play Games. Get The unlimited plan with twenty five gigs of high speed data. Then two G. for just forty five bucks a month. Saving you up to fifty percent against the big carriers no contracts. No compromise savings may vary see terms and conditions at straighttalk dot com other Hagler hearns. Affair between Max and Steven this morning we're talking about the NBA and the possibility of a return according to woge owners and executives on an NBA Board of governors call on Tuesday left the virtual meeting feeling increasingly about a resumption of play. This season that led to the question debated by Mac Steven A. And Jay Williams which side should have the final say on who returns the owners or players. Here's the deal. I'm I'm of the mindset that you know it shouldn't come down to the plays the Commissioner of the National Basketball Association for a reason. I certainly understand the mentality. Let's not lean on owners. Let's not make the let. The owners make the decision as if they have the best interest of all parties concerned. This always going to be some skepticism. Cynicism involving owners simply. Because you're thinking about the bottom line economically speaking and you definitely think along those lines When it comes to the owners just look at. What's transpiring major? League baseball at this particular moment in time in terms of negotiations back and forth to win a Caesar should get started off. The season should be started at at all. But we have raved continuously about commissioner Adam. Silver his excellent as a commission. And it's not just about him working for the owners. Its unilateral decisions that he's made obviously after being advised of certain positions that people have or whatever he's made a decision. He has stood tall on many many occasions. The players appear to trust him evidence by no friction door collective bargaining negotiations and beyond obviously league odors. Trust him the public at large. Recognize him as an elite executive is a League commissioner that the professional sports in this country has ever seen. He's right up there. He's profoundly respected and so trust him to make this call after taking all sides all parties into consideration along with the information given to him by the medical professionals in this nation. If this is the commission of reason the players are getting checks. They're getting paid. Obviously that doesn't mean that you shove aside safety we understand. Safety is first. But everybody's situation is not the Sane Lebron James Might feel particular way. It might be different than another player. Who's getting paid a low amount of dollars not to say that Lebron would I want to play because he wants to play where somebody that's getting paid? That's not getting paid as much one would assume that they may not want much money. Or what would assume that? They may not want to play as much because they may not deemed worth worth it for them but in the end what it comes down to is that the oversee overseer is the Commissioner of the Basketball Association not the owners not the players. You take all information into consideration that you come to a conclusion that is Adam silver's job not the place. Well if we're talking final say it's in fact the players and to appropriate a phrase that we've heard applied to a broader society for lack of a better word the sensual workers so to speak in the NBA are the players. They're the ones who risk of spreading infection. Right it's spreading the disease because of contact with one another. They're the ones and by the way as more is learned about colds at nine thousand. Nine hundred it's not simply well. You could wind up with with it in your lungs as I've mentioned impasse shows what is now being seen as that. It can attack the brain. The heart different organs. It's dangerous and mortality rate. Although still uncertain has hovered estimates between one and three or four percent of the flu. It's it's dangerous and there's no vaccine right so the people who are not just risking spreading the disease but also risking infection themselves. Have a right to say. Wait a minute. We're not comfortable with this yet. We don't think this is okay by the way is testing available. How are we going to make sure that? If one positive case comes up that we can isolate it and locate the virus by the way if testing not available. Can't do that. And Adam Silver and the owners Stephen A. On the same page in terms of we can only do this. If one positive test doesn't shut down the league right but it will if you can't have rotter testing and consensus among the players that they're willing to take certain risks. Well first of all there isn't a consensus. I mean I I shouldn't say isn't a consensus. The bottom line is every play is not going to go to the fact of the matter. Is this four hundred and fifty plus players in the National Basketball Association? Max and all of them say we don't WanNa play of course you shouldn't play. But if three hundred plus want to play and one hundred does it does that. Does that needs a decision. Has To be made which is why it should come down to the Commissioner. Of course safety is. I assuming safety is a priority. That's why they are no games. That's why the League has been suspended. Clearly safety is at the forefront of everybody's mind. I'm taking that for granted. I'm simply saying that when it comes down to a decision being made. That's what the Commissioner is therefore and as it pertains to essential workers which is something that you brought up. I got news for you Max. Kellerman essential workers all over the place in society right now putting themselves at risk for the betterment of the whole. There's a whole bunch of people that are getting paid considerably less that are putting their behind on the line and are deemed essential workers. This is why I'm opposed to the PR stuff that the leagues are concerned about for example if the NBA says we need fifteen thousand test Max that they said they're going to need everybody's looking at it and say well. Why should they get that? There are people out here that can't afford to get tested. What have you? But if those fifteen thousand tests Nabil's you as a league to employ hundreds of thousands of people. Okay then you have to take that into consideration. See How about Steve Day side here. This is not a socialist society. It's not a commune it's a business the NBA. And there's a boss. I mean I guess what I I have a lot of thoughts about how. Espn should be run. But I have bosses had ultimately. There's a head boss. And he or she makes the tough decisions in the NBA case. The head. Boss is the commissioner. That's why he's in that spot. And so the power lies with the Commissioner to make an educated informed safe equitable decision. Now if the commissioner since we're playing and then the players don't WanNa play because of health concerns then that's fine. I'm fine with that but then don't expect to get paid and if the entire player you'd need players. Union says we're not gonNA play then that's fine to the no season but if the majority of players do and some say we don't then you need a central figure to make that call and that's Adam silver for me it lies in the hands of the commissioner. We've been asking for your thoughts on a question if you could pick one athlete or team in the history of sports to do another last dance type documentary series about. Who would it be phone number? Eight eight eight say. Espn Don from Florida weighing in Don. How are you today doing well? Who Do you think seventy dealers locate? Tell me why well from. They drafted the first year. The fresh leader drafted him and Mel one to sure are hall of famers proceeded to pick You know many many players to fit in all the right spots and one of the that I've noticed is yet good. Drafting good coaches and good players. Not Everybody was great but they were all good and together. That team built a dynasty that holds records even to this day. It's a great call and we appreciate it. And you know what? Give me give me Terry. Bradshaw Gimme Gimme behind the scenes access with Terry Bradshaw. Give me a camera fixated on Jack Lambert. Twenty four seven mean. Joe Greene Lynn Swann and personalities on that football team and then Pittsburgh in the nineteen seventies gritty town. That would have been a great. That's a good call right there. I Jeff from Kansas about you jeff. You're going with. Hey how's it going man? I'm I'm going with shack. I think it'd be great to see all that inner stuff with the Orlando Magic. And then all the the behind the scenes trade with the Lakers and then all this stuff that went on with me and then of course Koby Passing recently with all the stuff that went on with him and then he got dwayne Wade in the mix. You got all this stuff. I think I think it'd be pretty good and I wanted to say something real quick I've been laid off for two months and I just started back to work yesterday and it was because my company said you gotta go back to work so just like the NBA saying you know you gotta go back to work back to work number one. Jeff I'm I'm extremely happy for you and your family that that's the case that you're back at work and that you're back making money it's something that's facing a lot of people in this country right. Now we're nearing record unemployment. It's a real thing. Obviously in addition to all the health risks in the loss of life there are risks that come with with anything and certainly at this time there are risks in going back to the risks and going out to the grocery store. I'm for someone telling me you know. What the risks are at a point where let's give it a shot. We've gotta try at some point. That's me I'm glad you're back to work by love the idea of Shaquille O'Neal Mike from Florida if you could pick one athlete or team in the history of sports to do another last dance documentary series about who would be all right. I'll make it quick 'cause I'm At the drive through at Taco Bell. But it's too early to call this. It's IT'S GONNA be Tom Brady. Tom Brady's been through so much he's still playing. It's been with one team for X. amount of years. He's transitioning to a new team. Probably only going to be there for two seasons. God bless the go I think it would just be priceless based on the coaching situation in the in the roster that he that he's had for all those years great suggestion with Chalupa in hand. Well done bike. Alright trysted from Pittsburgh who you going with a big fan of the Pittsburgh steelers call earlier but I think a lot of these docu series have to have a combination of winning and controversy involved with them. And that's why I think fifteen twenty years down the road when all of the Houston Astros that are currently on this team retire and move on to other things. I think a Docu series on the Astros cheating scandal and the two thousand seventeen team will be really valuable for everybody to see also is an honorable mention. I think the entire world deserves ten part. Docu series just on Dennis Rodman's vacation in nineteen ninety seven ninety nine. You aren't full access inside or behind the couch. Where Carmen Electra was. Hanging is that I want cameras. I WanNa know who was there. I want to know what they did. I want to know where they want. I WANNA know every many really detail. Stamps everything you know what you made the point. And it's a good one like it's great to have these series potentially on great athletes. Of course it would be compelling but you've got to have an element of shock and controversy and Salaciousness and I'll sprinkle my own thoughts throughout the course of the show to me. How about the nineteen twenty seven Yankees about the babe ruth murderers row about a camera on Babe Ruth? Twenty four seven with that have been fun and then the polar opposite Lou Gehrig at just one thought Navy Federal Credit Union has mission put members. I by making their financial goals. The priority learn more at Navyfederal Dot Org and join today. We've been talking about who should make the NBA decision. Jay Williams joined Steven A. And Max waited with thoughts as well when you say it's the play is taking risks as if you get to stop in this day and age with this corona virus. Everybody's at risk that means the employees that work for the respective teams that will be in attendance to have to work at the arena to have to assist during the Games on that these players play. They are all at risk. It is not just a place and oh by the way the players risked is in greater than those people who are working who don't make as much money as the players. So let's be very very clear about that. Their risks are equal. It doesn't exceed the risks that other people working are exposed to. That's number one number two. You alluded to players. Being the essential workers. There are essential workers working in our society all day long in the medical profession in the service industry it's sanitation and Beyon- There are people that are still working that are putting themselves at risk every single day point number three the players themselves. It turns. I'm not saying they should have no say. Of course they should have safe. They are the players. They are the money the revenue generated for the sport. But excuse me. There's a commissioner for a reason now if you said to me pick between the players and the owners. I'm going to pick the players. But if you're if you're going to recognize the fact that even though the commissioner is employed by the owners that Adam is indeed a great commissioner that he does have the power to make these kind of decisions that he doesn't have to necessarily capitulate to the owners because obviously he has a league to oversee and be responsible for. That's what he's there for to take all things consideration and make these decisions. You heard what the players have to say. Whatever that is you heard what the owners have to say. You know what that is. You understand that at least in the League office. There's an excess of one thousand employees League watch it's probably exceeding the hundreds of thousands. Okay you are the Commissioner of the National Basketball Association. It's show responsibility to take all of those things into consideration especially what the medical professionals it buys and to operate accordingly and make a decision based on. I am not for the players making the decision. Because they're not on the same place you could have four hundred and fifty plus placed three hundred and fifty say. I'm ready to go a hundred. Say Hell No. I don't WanNa play the commissioner has to make that call that's what he's therefore he should be the one to make the call not the players not the owners the Commissioner of the National Basketball Association. That's his job Stephen. A Smith I'm with you on this one. I just when you think about Adam. Silver overall if you look at his past history and his scope of work he's always shown them the ability to actually be the neutral entity and do what's right and one of the things that we said. The beginning of this pandemic is that basketball has won the most progressive commissioners in the history of Sports. And just how pragmatic he is in his approach. And doing the right thing in here. If you're Lebron James Kevin Durant. We know they had this call the other day. And Adam said hey look. There is a risk here to some degree like if a player catches this virus. Like we can't shut down the chances of that happening. The probability of that are pretty high. We have to work through that guys open for that so I agree with you. I think he's exactly right. It's Adam silver and owners and something else that think about guys to interfere player. Interfere Lebron James. Even if you're all these guys who were at the elite level right. This league is one providing you the opportunity and the revenue to build your wealth. So if you put yourself in a situation the next year they have to cut up this. Cba drastically cutting payment schedules. Your drastically cutting what. Payment is in general once again. I'm not siding with the owners. I am with Stephen a Smith here on the commissioner. This is Adam. Silver final say decision the players. They WANNA play to a degree but even if they decided. Hey we don't feel comfortable but if you're player you have to put your trust in Adam silver. Because he's done right for you up into this point. I think Jay hit on the head to me. It's the job that is the commissioner's job period. Anyway that was the continuation of the NBA. Discussion we're asking if you could pick one athlete or team in the history of sports to do another last dance type documentary series about. Who WOULD IT? Be Dana From Virginia. Dana what do you think? I think it should be Kareem. Abdul-jabbar wouldn't call it. The last half. I'll call it the first dance because he has to go. They always compan- Michael Jordan of and that when it comes to the size is good for compare Lebron and might even though the bomb bigoted might but when it comes to Korean. Say Oh he's a he's too big but this man dominated has dominated college and dominated twenty years in the NBA. All Tam School. He's the note it should be the first day Kareem abdul-jabbar. I like that you don't Kareem one six. Mvp's in the nineteen seventies six power memorial high school in New York City he was. He was untouchable when freshmen couldn't play at UCLA. And he was on the freshman team playing the Varsity team. In a preseason scrimmage the Varsity was the number one team in the country and Kareem then lew alcindor led the freshman team over the Varsity team. They paid them whipped them and of course twenty year career. And you're right. The all time leading score on Karim documentary. I dig it coming up. We continue our prime time. Nba Player rankings. We'll tell you who comes in at number thirteen from businesses around the world today isn't a restart it's a rethink that's why they're partnering with. Ibm to change how they work from. Supply chains to customer service. Let's put smart to work visit. Ibm DOT com slash. Think to learn more. You know how it feels when you find extra cash in your pocket now. Imagine you found five times that surprise money. That's the feeling with capital one. Where a new savings account during five times the national average savings rate on any balance. That means you are in more every day just for saving. This is hassle-free hard-working. 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Georgia's also a six time all stop in two eight hundred nineteen George lead the NBA in steals per game and was named to the NBA all defensive first of the basketball and throw it away. They lead and steel plate number thirteen clippers forward. Paul George. Pg Thirteen at number thirteen on the list. He's averaging twenty one points per game. This season on a stacked clippers team. I thought the debate got interesting. This morning Jalen rose joined Maxon Steven A. And they debated whether or not. Pg Thirteen has underachieved since leaving the Indiana Pacers in two thousand. Seventeen all Georgia's not underachieved. Look I don't think anyone looks at Paul George Goes. That's the best player on a championship team. If you have Paul George you need at least one other guy at least as good as him. He's Great. He's a great number two on a championship team which by the way he is right now. But the season was interrupted and had these playoffs been underway or or had they concluded when they're supposed to conclude if that was possible then people wouldn't be saying that Paul George underachieving like you Stephen. Because he would have just chipped up or close to it because now he's got a running mate as a running partner. Look I love Russell Westbrook Russell? Westbrook is maybe my favorite player in the NBA. Because he goes all out all the time but he has not had ultimate success in the playoffs in spite of being some great teams having great teammates. And when you look at who Paul George has had replaced. Before he got to the clippers he replaced Kevin Durant. No one's out here. Paul George better than Kevin Durant. He's a version of durant. That's not quite as good. That's nothing wrong. With that one of the greatest players of all time Paul George is merely a perennial all star who in his better seasons challenges for. Mvp and went has happened. Stephen since he left in the end he went last year. Not this past season is not this season but last season twenty eight eight and four leading the league with two point two steals a game twenty eight eight and four and until he got banged up he was discussed as an MVP candidate he had never been discussed as an MVP candidate before. I'm not going to put too much on him about not taking his team deeper into the playoffs. I don't see him as the Alpha on a championship team. I see him as the number two or as as a one a or one B on a championship team. But if anything the estimation of Paul George is a player has increased since he left Indiana and got to. Okay see now to the clippers where. I favored him to win a championship. This year. Stephen Name Paul George has come up since he left. The Indiana Pacers the Oklahoma City Thunder. However they did underachieve at some point in your first rookie contract as a franchise. You need to designate. If your best player can actually be the best player on a championship caliber team and what is happening at some point in your career. Paul George. Anthony Davis real life. I can't be the best player here and win a championship. So I'm going to go wrong with Lebron L. A. I'm going to run with Russ in okay. See I'm going around with coli in Los Angeles since Leaving Indiana. As mentioned he became one of the better players and again to the point where he was top. Three in the MVP compensation that didn't create a level of value to the point that allowed him to get traded to the clippers for four first round picks. Now he gets a chance to play in his hometown. Allstate will Koala Lender on a championship. Continue Team and be coached by DOC RIVERS AGAINST. Get a chance to be close to the late. Be Be close to the Jerry West. Paul Georgia's let J. Jalen. I don't mind the Fernie you my brother. You know that. So I'll I'll come to you with this question and I'll throw it at you. Paul George has average twenty seven. Twenty eight twenty four twenty eight in his last four post-season trips okay. I know we all know that. Paul George is a star in this league a star on both ends of the floor by the way one of the most complete players in the game even as a secondary option like Mack said. I ask you this question Jalen. It is two thousand and twenty that great talent. That has Paul George who we all know is Great. Even though secondary option has not been out of the first since two thousand fourteen. You have no problem with that will. Here's what ends up happening when he was in the Eastern Conference and this is what the last dance exposed for me. How Michael Jordan kept so many hall of fame players from winning championships literally Stockton and Malone Reggie Miller? Patrick Hewlett Charles Barkley Gary Payton that was going to potentially happen in the East Lebron James if he initially stated Cleveland but he went and joined the way in my end so now all of a sudden players like Paul George. The Bulls were dared roles that close their opportunity to come out of the East Jalen rose hanging with maxim. Stephen a. This morning has Paul George underachieved. Since leaving the Pacers met I agree with Max. The answer is no guy average. Twenty eight points eight rebounds and four assists per game last season. What else do you want from an individual than that and look? He's played in the stacked Western Conference for each of the past three seasons. And we don't have this postseason to compare so we really only have two postseasons by which judge him by. Since leaving the Pacers I thought Jalen hit the nail on the head. Paul George is a store. He's not a superstar five superstars in the NBA. From like Lebron Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook. That's probably about it. You're not sliding Paul George by calling it a superstar. He's a star so to say that he's underachieved since leaving the Pacers what. He's done what he's done in. Oklahoma City and this year in La. I think that's going too far. We've been asking you to get on the phones and answer the question if you could pick one athlete or team in the history of sports to do another last dance type documentary series about. Who WOULD IT BE JOSH FROM BOSTON? Go in the international route to a degree here Josh. Who is there? I mean everybody's always saying the obvious. Of course you know people shock. They're GONNA get documentaries. And a couple of years from now you know the way for more stuff but had are made a career. Beat the Miami Heat in two thousand ten when the Bronx tip normally talked about him that much paved the way for people like Kevin Durant and stuff Okay you know. I'm but I got handles. I could shoot no talk about a guy to go from from Germany to the NBA and he was regarded but not expected to have a hall of Fame Career Dirk. I'm not sure that I'm signing up for a ten part series on Dirk. I might take an hour. But that's me Shane from Florida. Shane who do you think what's going on in So I got two teams in one player. Just let me work through it. I got the seventy. Two Dolphins obviously undefeated Yeah you say too much about that. Because that's the only thing is. There's not a lot of drama. Got The no name. Defense Don Shula. You know everything's by the book but then you have the Patriots who are chasing the Dolphin. A lot of drama with that played the giants then. The season didn't win the Super Bowl. Law Change cutting out on us there. Yeah you know. Look the seventy two. Dolphins are a great team. But there are a little much for me the whole Mercury Morris routine every year about popping champagne when the last team in the NFL was undefeated loses at a little much for me. Sometimes it's okay to just sort of say look at our record. Look what we did. We always have to remind everybody how great your that's me David from Texas with yet. What do you got? Yeah I've got the ninety six cowboys. the end of the era kind of have the last dance. Element there with them America's team the end of the dynasty. You had Barry Switzer. Coaching team You got those characters that you can Really play with Jerry Jones Jimmy Johnson Barry Switzer all the triplets. You got the controversy element to it where you can the flashbacks with going all the way back to Jerry Jimmy Berries relationship and Arkansas and then jerry firing Tom Landry and Jimmy's exit and hiring Barry Switzer You got all the players storylines from Michael Irvin's drug issues to Emmett Smith holding out and then chasing history Aikman already be on record saying he coach the team basically for Barry Barry Switzer Yeah call it breaking up the boys who we got. We got a working title at everything. That's the best one that I've heard yet because of all the reasons that you just said you've got the success you've got the personalities and you got a lot of drama a lot of drama. I liked that. The nineties cowboys. That's the best one that I've heard so for a tune into the conclusion of the last dance this Sunday nine pm Eastern on ESPN and listen to the wrap-up podcast hosted by Jalen and Jacoby immediately following the broadcast presented by State Farm and at and T. available. 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I would not be surprised if we do see them move toward spring model and look the point with all that is not that it's ideal it's obviously not ideal but the fact of the matter is they have to find a way to get this college football season within the twenty twenty twenty one school year. So that would be a way to do it. We're talking about potentially a shortened season. That gets you know some players back on campus around January February. Would maybe go through. May and it would be completely unprecedented and unusual but it may be the best option to at least get football in for the PAC twelve in some way shape or form college. Football is facing the most existential threat ever faced in these next two months I think are very critical into country opens up and does well. What Have College football? If it doesn't there's very little chance Marquez quickly if they move this thing to the spring and you're a guy who's going to be a first round pick what you work there anywhere in the world. You're playing not a change g simple as that not a chance. I'm going to get ready for the draft. I'm going to get ready for all of the things that are address bar because I can tell you this the NFL lingo mood dropback regardless of if you postpone college or not. Marcus said a well on. Get up this morning. I mean he's right in the sense that that the NFL's not moving anything back and if you're a big time player I mean we've seen it in bowl games. We saw it with Bo set Ohio state where chewed. He had the injury early on and he didn't come back at all. It's it's this time line that we've talked about so many times here that that you starting to run out of time at the NBA. You starting to run out of time if you push a college football season back into twenty twenty one. It's the troubling thing. Really every sport is facing right. Now we've been asking you if you could pick an athlete or team in the history of Sports. Do another last dance type stuck memory series on. Who would be eight eight eight say? Espn is the number James from Minnesota weighing in James. Hey good afternoon how you doing. I'm doing great James All right. I'm picking the hometown. Minnesota Vikings in the nineties love boat. That really liked the inside story on that. James excited about the vikings all right. Nothing wrong with being passionate about your team. Corey from Colorado joining me Kevin Connors here today for Jason Fitz on. Espn Radio Corey. How about you? I would go with Tom. Osborne in the nineties husker's with Tommie frazier the blood clots or backup quarterback dine in the plane crash and the eventual Lawrence Phillips. And all the jail time he faced. It'd be compelling again. I'm not sure you know ten part documentary series about Ninety Nebraska. I know that I'm signing husker's fans are but but compelling over the course of hour maybe Lorenzo from North Carolina. More cowboys talk here. Lorenzo early nineties cowboys Jerry. And you know Jimmy drama all the trouble that all the tabloids got in from Michael Irvin and everything that they did in the moving from from Tom Landry I think that would be you know wail worse. Not Up and say okay quickly. Eric from Tennessee's been waiting for a while. Eric Way in yeah I would say that. It's that Nigga late eighties. Mets came. You know on groceries eighty six and then later due to use common there could be discovered Jeff. Pearlman wrote a great book about the mets in the in the mid eighty s a dysfunctional clubhouse uber talented team. That of course one nine hundred eighty six. But I think I think could have one more. That was a super talented team. A lot of drama New York City in the eighties backdrop mid eighties. That's not a bad call.

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Let's say realize they were step for the national championship. You know, they just didn't try. But the real reason I call was I want you to talk about this earlier at tends the regular season. I just didn't catch it. But at the after looking at the season, do you think that eastern division has closed the gap with the west or you think you would just kind of a one off season a matter circumstance, or do you think we've actually made some headway here. Well, I think it has gotten significantly closer. We had a number of head to head matchups that went to east way that has not happened much in recent years. I mean, the power teams in the SEC this year were pretty obvious. They were Alabama Georgia, and then you had LSU and Florida Kentucky in a in a in the next year. You can you can shake that up any way you want. But but you think it'll be next year year after well we own a trend. Well, I think that. Yeah. I mean, listen Missouri's gotten a lot better Kentucky's a lot better Florida's lot better. So right there you you have the answer to the question the L. I was just wondering if it was because maybe the west was down a little bit this year. Any ask you this? You're talking about the way I look at it is, you know, which which schools are going up which goes are going down. So you know couple of years ago. Mississippi State was at a pretty high level which way are they going? Well, good question. Beverly creating water. We asked me. Yeah. You know? I think everyone in the yeast seems to be going up now Tennessee has a long way to go. But I don't think I don't think they will be long far behind. I believe that there. But here's the problem though, Bob when when you when you're moving up, you're in heavy traffic. So it becomes problematic to move up too much. You've everyone else is going in the same direction. Greg is up next. Hey, greg. Hey, Paul, thanks for taking my call. Thank heard one of your guests earlier touch briefly on one of the match ups in the game coming up Monday night. And that is the. Clemson secondary. Now, they played if I'm not mistaken, they played South Carolina. The last game of the regular season and gave up five hundred yards to quarterback who is not has not been lighting the world on fire this year and those were not garbage yards. So I realized that Clinton won the game, but you can't allow to to throw for three hundred yards or more and a ball game and expect to win. Fair point. And I just don't think you know, that people talked about that enough. And I know I think earlier you said somewhere on either on another show or yesterday that you thought Alabama might win comfortably and I tend to agree. And I just think that there's too many weapons on the offense aside that Clemson has to deal with as opposed to the other way around and that's not to speak spiritually about Clemson because they're there for a reason. But you know, I just think a Alabama just has more and say what you want, but you know, to having that championship under his belt that has to mean something especially if it comes down to a closer game. Thanks, Paul and have a great weekend. Thank you very much. Great to hear from you. Tim is up next in New Jersey. Hello, tim. Hey, Paul, our you. Well, thank you for the call just interested in hearing about your opinion of George wells. I actually played for George. He was. Virginia for seventeen years. And then he was out before that he was at navy for nine years. And then before that he was at Penn State with maternal. And then before fraternal he was there with rip Bengal. I would just want to you. Yeah. He passed away yesterday. And and I will say very little I want to hear from you. But in terms of reputation as not only superb coach, but a class individual. I think he would be at or near the the front of any conversation. I interacted with him briefly a couple of times, but tremendous respect for him. What was he liked to play for? Well, it was a great coach when it came to Xs and os, there were very few people that could even the whole stick to him. He he was a second people forget this. He was a second team all American quarterback in nineteen fifty six and he was number. He was third in the Heisman Trophy didn't realize in one thousand nine hundred fifty five his senior year fifty five into fifty six. He graduated from the naval academy in nineteen fifty-six. But he was a second team all American and again, the you know, he was third in the Heisman race in his senior year. So he was a great athlete of a great coach. As I said before he surrounded himself with some excellent people at one time actually played for him at navy, and he became the winningest coach at the time during my senior year there subsequently record us in bypassed. But then he was at Virginia for seventeen and did quite well there, but it's it's a sort of see him pass. And I just was wondering if you no no, I it's it's a it's a significant passing in terms of of the game. I'm glad you brought it up, and what are unique experience that must have been for you. Yeah. It was. I mean, it was he was I said before he was a great coach when it came to Xs and os, and again, he surrounded himself with some great people many of his assistants went on to to head coaching jobs. I did not realize what a great player was that was fascinating to hear. Yeah. A lot of people don't realize that they should get that part about George, and you know, he was a really a very. Very good competitor in you know, he he hit a great relationship with Bill Belichick father. Steve Bella check was that navy for fifty years, and he he enjoys at a very good relationship during the time that Georgia's the head coach there. So the Bella check, you know, coaching history goes on and on. Well, thank you, Tim. Thank you for calling. And thank you for bringing that up. I was negligent. I should have said something earlier. But it really do. Appreciate your call. Yeah. Thank you. I appreciate you taking a call from jersey guy. You listen to call from the south now. Now love having great to have you on have a great weekend. Thank you, very very much. Let us continue and Frank is in the south. He's in Atlanta. All how you doing? We are. Well, thank you longtime listener, first-time caller. And this is really a trivia question. Or just an interesting fact, there's a player on each team in the championship. Trae Lamar on Clemson and executive your McKinney for Alabama who played together in high school on the same defense in highschool any idea if that's ever happened. I don't know. I in a national championship game. It could have happened last year with the Alabama Georgia. I don't remember it. But I did right. I did hear about that. That's really interesting. I'll we'll find out if it has happened or not, okay. Very good. I appreciate it. Thank you. Good to have you on great stuff. Another georgia. Caller, frank. You're on the air. Hey, good afternoon. Paul. We are. Thank you. I wanted to talk a little bit about the championship game. And really think about it from an Xs and os perspective or even a position group perspective. You know, when I think about Alabama versus Clemson at each position group if I'm thinking about the defense, and I'm thinking about the defensive line, I'm giving the edge. I think with a man down with Clemson. I think I'm going to give the etched Alabama at the linebackers. I think the same is true. Chris Miller is a little bit of an iffy situation force on the outside. But I still think the ads goes to Alabama same defensive backs quarterbacks. If you saved over the offense, maybe push, you know, each have their individual strengths. And if you were to go down the line with running back tied in ofensive line wide receivers. I mean, I give the edge to Alabama. I give it to them in coaching. I give it to him in strength of schedule. He'll let me let me let me stop you. I've looked at some of these breakdowns, and there are there edges back and forth. I think they're very slight in Alabama would have the most tell me, and I know I know the answer is saving. But, but I'm interested in why you would give over forgetting saving for a moment. Okay. He is the head coach. But where else would you give coaching edge to Alabama? So I thought about that a little bit too. Good question. If I'm looking at coordinators, I gotta I probably on defense. I'm may give the edge to Clinton other than you would almost have to. Yeah. Yeah. Now, the what balances that out to me is Nick with his defensive mindset. Okay. That's fair offensive coordinators. I mean, I think I'm leaning toward Dan. I think I'm leaning toward Loxley as as the coordinator. For now. So I think what they're able to dial up and the creativity. I think it is slight edge as you say, but ultimately Daboh to Nick, I'm gonna give it to Nick right now. Just he's proven that this year. And he's proven it over the past several listen, Nick saving would have an edge against anyone. Yeah. Yeah. Well, true. The other thing that I would say is you look at Clemson schedule, and you look at Alabama schedule and. They were you didn't either nailed where the edge is. Yeah. I mean, his Clinton really been put to the test the way that Alabama has Clemson has had if I remember correctly to competitive games at AM and against Syracuse. When Lawrence went out and. Yeah. You cannot compare am or Syracuse to. Georgia in Oklahoma. Now Notre Dame help. Now, I shouldn't have said I mean, you really can't count Oklahoma and Notre Dame because they're both final four teams. But but Georgia Trump's everyone. Definitely georgia. Does I think Oklahoma? Does you know you look at the quality of the defenses, but Alabama has faced you look at the quality of offenses that the L that Alabama has he did not have a game that would that would compare to going to tiger stadium. Either. That's also very true. So, you know, line at a one one two hundred I think the edge goes, you know, best on best the edge goes to Alabama. And the last thing I would say this is not along that particular vein. But you know, these Alabama fans that are worried about what's going to happen when Nick leaves and his dad Bo going to come home. I mean what what time did Nick have to Alabama. None. Let's let's move away from that. Well, you know, Frank there was a there was a time when the mindset was you have to have played for. Bayer you had to coach for you had to play it Alabama. You had to coach it Alabama that that that train left a long time ago, and saving his shattered that forever he has. And if I wanted to keep riding that train? I'm Ryan to save in train. Okay. You need to play for saving you need to have coached understatement. Now. We'll consider but beyond that, we don't need somebody coming home. We just need the next best. But really, we don't even need to be worrying about that. And we certainly don't need to be worrying about data we need because he wasn't a fan devotion. That's parlor game. I, you know. I mean, I I would think you know, certainly, oh, it would be considered because he's probably the next best coach in the country. But if you were playing the game, you just said, I think Jeremy Pruitt would be someone that Alabama would look at that. That's the guy that I that. I thought of as well same way. Go prove yourself in the SEC at Tennessee get the right offense coordinator, there get the recruits there prove yourself, and then that would be the person I would think would be worth considering as well because. Hi, JIMBO Fisher is not is not ever leaving where he has to go to Alabama. And Kirby smart, I think has napalm that bridge too much to be considered and not that he would by the way, he's at his alma mater. Yeah. Agreed. Agreed. I I see it as a great game kind of rounding out closing out the way we began. I see it as a great game the championship game. I think I think the things that we spoke about really are going to be determining factors. I think the the guys are going to execute. I think they're going to be ready to play it. It's the biggest stage. There's not gonna be a a letdown in this because we're not at the game that we thought we should have been in that goes this where. Where this is where Alabama expected to behave. Thank you for the call. We have more to more to come here. We're had we'll head back to California coming up here in a few minutes. More of your calls after this. Geico presents unhelpful home improvement. How To's a slippery bathroom floor can result in expensive hospital bills? So today, I'll show you how to cushion a serious fall by filling your bathroom with thousands of plastic balls. Just nail a piece of plywood across the doorway and dump in two thousand multicolored plastic balls. You could try to protect yourself with a bathroom full of plastic balls or you could get liability coverage through the Geico insurance agency. Visit Geico dot com and see how a Ford -able renter's insurance can be continue here. We'll go back to California a minute was more guests as we get you ready for Monday night. Let's check out Beth who is up next. Hey, beth? On the top football. Can I tell you the three phrases? I hate on your collars. You may. Okay. The first one is how you doing how he's got. He's got PayPal. You're done fine. Okay. The next one. And that's when he his longtime leader their first time caller, who cares. Okay. Not serve. When is I think from ESPN could twelve your own destiny. I mean Gabriel wasn't mean. Come on, you ingest control, your own destiny is a phrase. They're really doesn't. It's not applicable at this point of the year. You know? It's not okay. My name's question is I'm now, you know, lots of radio commentators. Don't you? Well, I do a you. I lived in Atlanta for fifteen years, and I listened to six seventy the fan, and I never liked jonky. Kate, I think he was wanting to go to if Penn, but I don't know but bliss still over there. But I he was so funny. He would say recruiting. Do you know who's this again? Oh, yeah. I know book sure and eastern say recruiting. That's how I said it, but Manet questions about Mike Loxley. Yeah. It's going to Maryland or somewhere. He's taken the head coaching job at Maryland. Okay. He said he would go through the end of year. Do you think he's recording? I think he's recruiting. Thanks for the call to appreciate lacy is in South Carolina. Hello lacey. Paul thanks for taking my call. Thank you. I wanted to talk a little bit about the Georgia Sugar Bowl. I mean, the common sense was a PS go, but I know curvy spart try to take blame for it. But I really think the players are the ones that that threw him under the bus instead of. They just didn't show up, and I know you can coach them and opiates or alternately responsible. They're responsible if a guy goes down and does something wrong and cocaine. No where near you know, so, but that's that's part of coaching. But I just really believe that players were the ones that were responsible for that. That game was hard to watch. It was painful to see that. And just kind of. I just kind of blamed the players. I don't blame Kirby smart for that. I mean, you're talking about three years at your J. He's been to national championship game. Once these men to the SEC championship twice. And he and he got a really good bowling sugarbowl. It's just the the players let him down. I think I know why Tim Tibo heads them really inside on that. And but I I just don't think curvy smarts it. That's the bite that bullet. You know? He didn't throw the players under the bus. Like, we say coach is doing the past. So I just wanted to get that in and, you know, the the same it families word'disaster disaster. Also, and I'd like to see all these S eighteen f f the s things go away and and power five play power five all year. I think we'd have some better. I agree. I think I think the conference the SEC is playing these FCS games. I know they make money for everybody. But they're not worth. They're not worth the the downside. Thanks for the call. Keith is in Bristol, Tennessee. Hello, keith. Hey Powell, first time caller longtime listener, I know, you're good. 'cause you always on you got. Yeah. It's just a never ever heard any talk about Daboh been. Sweet or slowed by the pros. What do you think about that? You think it'll ever happen. Thank you for your time. I don't I think Davos, a college coach, I think he's so relatable. To me. That's where he belongs. I just don't see him. Dealing with the the mindset of today's pro athlete or any Ren ears. Pro athlete for that matter. Ben is in North Carolina, Alabama. How are you? I know you're doing well might as well not at that. But if I have a question, I you take the Alabama program the Clinton programs in Georgia's programs, which have been consistently successful. Especially in the past obviously years now considering the coach Nick save and Kirby, smart, and Abbas Sweeney who all have times to Alabama. We all know that they're recruiting classes or not. But what is it that these three coaches implement with their programs that make them says consistently? Winning programs now you mentioned Daboh saving and who else. Kirby smart at Georgia. What is it? Well, I mean, that's my question. Oh, you're asking me. Oh, of course. Well, yeah. I thought you had the answer. Let's let's start with recruiting. They're all three of the best recruiters in the country. That's how you build a college football program. Yeah. I mean, that's obvious. That's obvious. But I mean, these three programs, you know, recruiting notch everyb-, by the way, I mean there there are several keys to to any successful program recruiting is is certainly paramount. You also need buy in from your administration. If you don't have that I point to Auburn not so much administration. But but across the board Auburn may have buy in from the administration, but to have buy in from the alums everyone has to be on the same page. Everyone has to be beating to the same heart beat. And I think a Clemson and Alabama stand above that Georgia is moving in that direction. And I mean, everyone is on the same page there. But I would say in spite of the great recruiting Georgia is still behind the other to the other two have titles. Georgia's still trying to get one a winning a national championship makes everything a lot easier cheesier to raise money. It's easier to recruit it's easier to do everything. We'll take a break mortar com. We're heading back to California in a moment. More after this. Glad you're with us. Pets some great guests from California. We'll go back there shortly. More of your call more of your calls at eight five five to four two seven two eight five and let's check in with Jim in North Carolina. Hello, jim. Hey, Paul, our you. We're doing great. Thanks a lot. Good. Good. I one of the reasons I called in was the last gentleman that said he just gave the edge Dalla Bama because of gave the edge to save and for Alabama. And and that that got me to dial on the phone because by way of introduction. I grew up for Irish Catholic, and I'm about his strong and Notre Dame fan is you'll find even went to Indiana and retired out of the Elkhart area before moving to North Carolina. And and I know say been a lot of people don't know that loose saving next father was a big Notre Dame fan. Jim that loose saving was. I think Knicks uncle on both bureau. Paul paul. You're right. I stand corrected and I had the opportunity to watch saving at Michigan state where when Michigan state with less talent always had a winning record against Notre Dame. And. Alabama has a huge edge over everybody in my opinion. So most Notre Dame fans respect Alabama because save and does it the right way and Nick Sabin and his family. I remember when he came to the football fame when it was in south bend his wife as a treasurer, not only Nick but his wife with her community. She wanted to help people in Elkhart so directly in contradiction to the gentleman that was a few calls the last call Nick save, and is is a huge advantage, not edgy. But an advantage to all things Alabama. I think it's great Alabama's doing. Well. I love to see it. I'd like to see my fighting Irish get into that elite level when you more athletes and like you said help from the administration on academics. But at the end of the day. I haven't talked to Notre Dame fan. And and I used to be a Notre Dame headed the Notre Dame club here in in Asheville. But I haven't met a Notre Dame fan that they respect and like Nick Sabin because he does right and like Alabama because it's good for college football to have Alabama winning. Thank you, very very much. Great to have you on. Let's head back to California, John Vilma. Joined us brought to you by holiday express. Be the radio says we continue our coverage of the national championship. John great to see you. And let's get right to it. Your defensive guy and most people believe this game will be one on the defensive side of the ball. How do you see it? I agree. We'll be it will be one on the defensive side of the ball. I'm looking at Quinton Williams how he's going to perform the rest of the defensive line for Alabama because Trevor Lawrence has evolved as the season has gone on where in the beginning of the season. Trevor Lawrence waited for his receivers to get open. Then he would throw the ball. Now. He's risen to the point. Where he throws his receivers open. He and -ticipant when they're going to break out of their routes any throw into spots on the field. So it's not a similar situation of Lascaux or Kelly. Bryant would hold onto the ball hold onto ball and allow that defensive line to get sacks and get pressure. They're going to have to generate Saxon pressure a lot quicker than what they've done been. They as an Alabama what they done and what they're used to because Trevor Lawrence is getting the ball out so quickly if they don't get the pressure. It'll be pitching catch. And then you're gonna see the run game going Travis AT and as well chalk into John Vilma about that game. John. It seemed like it was going to be a big deal last year last week against Notre Dame with Dexter Lawrence's absence being declared ineligible this week as well. But it didn't seem to show up very much. Well, this week any different. This week won't be any different. Our Hawkins played very well. He played well throughout the season. He was a number one recruit coming out of South Carolina back in two thousand fifteen and that's probably why there was no shock and dabble Sweeney and Brent Venables about the defensive line and how they're going to perform everyone have been rotating throughout the season this game. I see no difference. I see everyone getting after it. The real concern needs to be cloned feral on one side. Austin Bryan on the other side. How are they going to stop those two from getting pressure onto an at worse? Collapsing. The pocket and forcing to or to step up because he loves to step up into easy open lanes. And then throw the ball. If he doesn't have that. He will either force a ball. He may turn the ball over get Saxo. I want to know what that game plan is for Alabama offense, regardless of Dexter Lawrence. How are they going to contain the edges and how do you do that? How do you deal with that type of pressure because it is intense tempo? That's the first thing you have to temp. Those big guys because they wanna get up fields. You let them get field. You're either throw running right underneath them or you're doing quick passes. Once you get the tempo going, you don't allow them to get set and get their feet going in the ground for four play. Then they started to get tired. Once they start to get tired. The pass rush isn't as fierce. It isn't as aggressive. It isn't as fast and you start to do that. Then you can now take your shots down the field with two we know that he wants to take shots. It's a matter of Willie have enough time to take those shots and only way to do that. It's a slowdown that defensive line for Alabama of excuse me for Clemson slowdown. Those defensive ends yet to get them tired. They can do that with tempo the run game. And then take their shots talking to Jonathan Vilma about the big game. We we've certainly concentrated on the offensive side of the ball weeding and a little bit of the of the quarterback play. But but Johnson where else you you're watching especially I mean, you've got a great running back for Clemson. You got two or three who can handle it? Maybe more for Alabama. Why? Wide receivers all over the place where else would this game be one or loss? Oh, you you. We gotta look at the tight end position and the safeties and the linebackers the tight end position of earth Smith junior for Alabama versus safeties of Clemson and the linebackers of Clinton because he is a receiver. Not just a tight end. They flex them out at the two spot. He runs seven routes from the tight end position. He runs over routes from that to spot he has been a threat all season long. And frankly, one of the major reasons why you get a Jerry Judy wide open because he's taking safeties out of the middle of the field. He's taking linebackers out of the middle of the field. I wanna see how Clemson secondary linebackers are going to respond to earth Smith junior. And if they can hold up one on one in those matches because if they can't hold up against him one on one and you have to now create coverages to slow him down. You're gonna see more one on one the outside. You're going to middle of field opened up for Jerry Jones. And these guys to go in and have house calls taking away. What you saw. Last week in Dallas. And obviously the later game in Miami. I mean, do you feel Alabama? I mean, I realize that the favorite, but do you feel like they have enough edges to do what they always do. Or usually doing these games. I feel that neither team has a substantial edge over the other feel that the game can actually be very very conservative. This'll be one of the first times all season long. We're talking about an opponent of Alabama. That doesn't have to be over aggressive doesn't have to take four shots a quarter to try and win the game. They don't have to do anything special. I'm referring to Clemson to beat Alabama. This could be a very very conservative game you go three. Now punting is just as good as as long as you don't turn the ball over. And if you see both teams doing that it becomes which player makes a play which one makes the fifty fifty grab of if if it's Higgins or Judy who's gonna have the big run ATN or Josh shakeups in the third and fourth quarter. It will come down to one or two few plays. And then now decide the game. So I'm excited to see not only the game plan. But also the players that step up, and it's big stage. We've seen a especially from from Venables. Unpredictability you understand that side of the ball better than most. You mentioned the pressure the confusion on onto a should we expect him to be unpredictable? I'd be very surprised poll if he became unpredictable in this game because with that unpredictability comes high risk and high reward and knowing to and the offensive line if they guess wrong as inbred Venables guesses wrong. We're talking seven points back last year two years ago. We'd be talking about twenty yards possibly a big run. Now, we're talking about fifty yards over the top of your defense touchdowns. And you can't make up those touchdowns. If you keep losing on those high risk high reward plays or play calling. So I would see him being very conservative and getting the fundamentals down especially in the secondary to handle the over outs to handle the passing off and then to be able to help on the one on one balls for the deep balls of the Clinton secondary. So I don't see him being over aggressive unless the game gets out of hand one way or another and he has to he has to call one of these high high risk reward plays great stuff as always Johnson Vilma. Joining us from California, John we'll see. This weekend. Always good to see you. Great conversation. They're he re boy John really understands us out of the ball in all sorts of the ball for that matter. We're up against the break. We have more to come here as we get you ready for the weekend. And then Monday night, of course, we'll be live at Levi stadium. Welcome back to the program. Glad you're here. Jimmy is in Chicago. Hello, jimmy. All you know, there seems to be just so much negative five about this Santa Clara location and just the decision to to play it there. And obviously painter the big factor was that they made a huge money bid. And and they've won it. But and considering the fact that also to guess it was three years ago in Clinton, Dale where you were in a pro sports market wasn't a lot of local interest in the game. And it was also a buyer's market there. Have we reached the point that after five playoff seasons that we got a pretty good barometer to the point that I just don't know that it makes sense to certainly play another championship game. Jimmy, our remember remember when this started this decision was made at the beginning. This was. A carrot by the college football playoff to the west coast, primarily to Larry Scott who can't do anything right right now. He's the Pac twelve Commissioner. They wanted to game out there, by the way, the Rosebowl. I've been told doesn't really want the champion national championship game anymore. They laid like the Roosevelt. They don't feel like they need to go through this. Now, they had they had the semi's last year. That was preordained. It turned out to be a great game. But they prefer the way it's always been. And I don't listen it won't go back here. I can guarantee you that you can spend a anyway you want to build up. I mean, it's not so much the ticket price. I've read the local media out there. And they are the ones who were saying who cares about this game. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So that that's kinda my point. I mean have we reached after a pretty I think accurate conclusion that after five playoff seasons? Now that there's not really any reason to have them championship game other than Jerry world or the Superdome Atlanta. You can argue is going. It's going to Houston in Indianapolis right now. It was easier. Right. Yeah. I mean next year to New Orleans in Miami. So these things are done years in advance. I thought the Tampa game was terrible, by the way, just in terms of the feel the vibe. And yeah. You know, the location of the stadium wasn't pleasant either. Oh, yeah. Well, when they had the final four they're ninety nine. It was an absolute disaster. The games were in Saint Petersburg coaches convention. All the hotels were in Tampa. It was a complete mess and the beauty a l. I I was just thinking, you know, if they maybe the idea of just a a a rotation maybe between Jerry world, New Orleans, Atlanta. Maybe Indianapolis, Indianapolis would be thrown the big ten of bone, and it's a centralized location. To get. I'd be New Orleans every year. Exactly. And also, you might even close San Antonio when there because it's been a huge success with the final four and football. So big and Texas, and you can walk to the venue, and we're all the action is I mean, it has all women. You know, even Glendale there. There was there's no atmosphere in Glendale either biz middle of nowhere. Yeah. Forty five minutes from our hotel in Glendale. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. So, but again, you know, the the NCWA committee there they true, they're not the lots of times brightest bowl in the shit there. But it it's time now to realize that hey, there's some spots with Jimmy, you know, not to harp on Bill Hancock. But tell me what what he's done right is at the college football playoff who's he tried the New Year's Eve things that was a disaster. He's put a game in Tampa in Santa Clara. We'll see Monday night. I'm willing to give it a chance. I listen. I'm not there yet. So I'd like to I'd like to get there before I rendered a verdict. But I think I know what it's going to be. I never heard anybody the better messenger for them. No matter what they're doing. Hey, this is my this is our story, and I'm sticking to it and the very day that they switch from. Oh, no way we ever have a playoff to having a playoff. Oh, man. This is the greatest thing. Now that that was a total embarrassment Bill. Hancock trying to sell that garbage. Yeah. And thinking that on New Year's Eve that that was going to be a great date to have the semi-finals. You know, it was you know, you wanna have the biggest audience you can and well at least they finally saw the light. But his unfortunate that it took two or three years, you know. To it's an injury that seems to be a trend. Yeah. I it certainly does. But hey, you know, we're almost there. And yeah, I I'm looking forward to getting your take once you get out there. I have a I have a feeling it's not going to be real positive as far as just the around Monday. I doing sign language and Morse code. I mean, there's a gun in my head, and I can't speak the truth. We will be back another hour to go on this Friday night.

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WeWatchWrestling Issue #287

"This is a head gum podcast. Watch wrestling. Greeding citations were. Hello there. Welcome friends, foes heels. Baby phases. All I welcome. But the we watch wrestling podcast. Wonderful darling, renovated host Risley map McCarthy with me as always professional. Wrestling encyclopedia, Vince abriel. Yemen. Did you see into the spider verse still haven't thought that's what you're doing? There's like a little thing. Like oh. It's only caught it meant, dude. It's available a lot of things in my day. But I haven't caught that one. It's vailable on home media, watch it. Tonight's convenient watching tonight. I don't need to see on the big screen maybe now. Well, yeah, you could still probably see it on the big time listed. I mean is like something I should see on the big. That's my answer for everything. Yeah. Maybe not. I didn't see fighting with my family. But it seems like you could you could probably watch that out of TV set. Sure. But into the spider verse Yam in get into. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's the wrestling movie Spiderman. You know that right? I mean, you saw the first movie. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's sort of been the comic books as well. Right hundred percent from the comic books. That's the whole reason he become that the whole reason he makes the costume comes up with the name. He starts. Professional wrestling. And then he goes into. Yes, entertainment. But then that's entertainment, j Jonah Jameson starts a campaign of we can't trust the sky. And then he one of the worst haircut mustache combinations of all time. He can't get booked. I'm not booked spider-man's not book. Now, he's not one is not moping around the locker room trying to get sympathy or whatever. Right. He just it's like if not book, he's not there, Terry. I'm not booked. I used to be one of those. I what I was super hero. I used to see the old superheroes. Standing around the locker room saying like like old dog here spot. Do a spot spot spot. Bookies couldn't get booked. So he just started fighting crime. Spider, man. Well, that's what then he started taking pictures making money. He already had a sick sense of humor. He's like o j Joan Jameson is gonna shit on me. But I'm the one giving him the photos. Fuck him. I'll take you fucking money. Much much the way touch man tell treated young Jimmy cornet who I've been what I've get into. We can get into whatever you want. Yeah. Well, we always do we always find a way. Do you have this? Have you watched this? Yes, I do have that Jim cornet the rookie ear volume one. Yes. I figure that was the only reason why I had it because somebody sent this is one of the many things that the wonderful listeners. Yeah. Jamie's radiator? Yeah. Somebody sent this to me to us. Yeah. But it's here in the archives. I'm sure I'm I'm positive. I gave you shout at the time. I don't recall what your name is now. But it's come back to the surface. But believe me, I'm finally getting around to it. You know, what I think? I brian. I could use my hand hurts I could use Dave Batista, just cutting promos from home all the way to Maine. I mean that thing can we do that he's supposed to be on raw this week? Hopefully, it's just a fake on the iphone is like I just decided I'm not coming to Pittsburgh either. If you got anything you want to send to us address to me Malvo Carthy P O box four eight five four valley village, California, nine one six one seven United States is in the description of the show, whatever you got just in case. Just in case you want to send something to somebody's always send us up. Mold observers old bag Zine DVD's, VHS tapes. Whatever you got we put no limits on it. Whatever it is long as it's legal more than happy to to give something a home more times than not it is someone's like, look, right. I gotta get this. I got I gotta get rid of this wrestling stuff. But I don't wanna throw it away. I wanted to give it a good home up off at the shelter. Exactly. It said of taking out in the woods one hundred. You know, sometimes when you you got old wrestling merchandise. You know, they take you behind the back of the building the put a slug in the back of your head. This thing is unbelievable. I've started watching whatever they all the old PW is they went to live on a farm, son. The the PW is there on a farm now, they're on a farm what you're asking me to do is to blow brains out aunt amount to throw a making my magazines live on a farm from a wrestling. Memorabilia collector standpoint that's dragging me to do the stand in the middle of all my wrestler, magazines and blow my blow my brains out. We can get into this week and get it with a we want. I mean, this is the go home too fast lane. It is the golden too fast lane any what the fuck. Whatever the flow Factbook and fastlane fucking fast late, man. You've got me hooked on this fucking Jim cornet podcasts. It's so good. It's just it's the perfect thing to put on. You know? Yeah. No. I know 'cause it is that thing of like, and I know the kids feel the same way, you know, every Wednesday once show ends you dislike that's it that I that's all. That's the answer. That's all. That's all. There is you know, I feel that way. I listened to the show. In addition to being one half of the we watch wrestling cloud has back through it. I'm also a fan. It's a good show. Yeah. But that Jim cornet drive-thru, man. It's just it's you know, it's Candyman it is, and I and I dipped into the experience where reviews raw and smackdown. I went actually beginning of the drive through. I'm working my way through. I don't remember who. I mean, the man is such like what a wordsmith holy shit. I forget what who he was talking about maybe a referee somebody. But he was like God damn you come off the ropes look like a basket of loose body parts. And then he'd hit yet felt like a bag of wet hammers psych. Who is a poet? Who does that? He's Apollo it. Well, I'm a being Louisville at some point. Does that us bring in a map to try to knock on some doors? I can find castle cornet that that'd go over well unannounced, you know, what's crazy. I, but you need to you need to you need to be in the in the cornet museum, the Arca need to find the Louisville slugger. What you talked about murders. We'll. Bruce Brody was murdered. He's he's just one of these guys where it's like, no matter what the question is in the mail bag. He's got a story either about it or some sort of ten gentle nothing yet the word, even when he goes in dental, even I don't know even when he goes now, then within a minute. He's like, wait, wait. Well, well, what the phone? Well, God damn. Double me. Double cheese. You get wrong kills a body. Also got to somewhere in that podcast where he's like Sony's like whoever the co host does. He like, oh, the great Brian last Br bride last. Yeah. What's his deal? He runs a couple of podcasts. Yeah. He he was like oh Pritchard. He's like well. No, actually, that's Richard doing Jim Ross doing Jim cornet. And I was like, oh, wow. There you go getting getting the facts straight now. Well, I've set up before. My Vince McMahon is Brian Goertz doing Vince McMahon. This man, he got inlets. Imitation. Imitate imitation of imitation is the highest is former flatter. I was just watching Metallica the earlier son justify movie, lectured and Kirk Hammett in the interview talks about like when when you when you first create you imitate. That's that's how you start to create right? Yeah. Totally you know. So do you think, you know, what I already watched this week's show you want to know what I'm watching this, Friday and justified my movie collection. I wish by you. Now g I Joe a real American hero. There's no place like Springfield parts. One and two. It's a booby. It's a film. It's a fucking hour long ride of madness. It's crazy. It's it's crazier than I remember do. I can only imagine. Because when you watch shit like that back. You're like, I can't believe this was allowed. That's that's what I kept saying. I kept saying I'm like, I can't believe this is for children. Right. Right. Well, you know, the Lord of the rings was was a children's book. I got the wonderful was up there. I read it to Jack the amount of censoring. I had to do. Oh, hold on here. And then the wizard said he wanted them to get rid of the witch. Ask her to leave politely. Hunters got again, his win back. He does oh hunter, you know, get your wind back. Would it be the worst thing if Batista was working with somebody on the active roster who who he might be able to help or elevate? Didn't doesn't have to be hunter this time will that be so wrong? God. Vince, you knew the star power nobody on that roster's over except for hunter. And Stephanie and Shane. Yeah. Invents? And do you think? Now, it's I'm I think more than ever that something's going down. And then it'll be Kofi and Brian mania. It's got to be. Yeah. And then also I feel like either I I think it's more likely that somehow a mind has been changed. I don't think we were getting work the whole time. But who fucking knows dean Ambrose may be staying now, you get that vibe. They said it right on TV that is contracts running out like that. That's mel's to me. Who knows? Yeah. I just want. You know, it doesn't matter. But I just wonder I feel like he probably wasn't. He was done negotiating. And maybe something change, you know. Mogadishu? Yeah. Who knows I mean, real down Roman showed backups Adam down, you know, if dean state or left, honestly, it wouldn't make a difference to me, right? No. I'm not I I honestly I'd prefer he left. I yes, I think it would matter much more if he did leave the landscape, right? Because if he stays he's just going to be, you know. Right. It it mid card mocks, it'd be better for for everyone. I think if he was to go, but yeah. Who who who decided like when I think everyone should leave? When Rollins came to talk to him in the back of news, just like sitting in that sort of right? Just went back in. There's I mean the way Meltzer tells it was when Ambrose comes out and says slanted east, and then walks away that apparently he had a whole. Promo didn't cut that. He's just like what are you gonna do? Fire me. That'd be fucking great. I'm begging you the fire. Begging for it. Dean Rene, get me more. Slop. What does the sloppy keep giving him Rene? Hey, just I get I grab a piece of one one thing from every trae in catering, and I mix it up in a bowl for them. I got my slob. Get my get my bottle Jack onto my bag. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I think everybody I mean, it's just it's while, you know, who should go, you know, who should definitely leave the company. It's a great company. It's they have so much money. They have so much value. You you watch annex t and it's like, oh, right. There's still you can still do a wrestling show. I mean, the talent there's a ton of talent holy shit. Is there a ton of talent? But I mean, I don't know what I don't know what was going on on Monday. It's like every other segment was Scott, Steiner refuses to follow the script. You know, what they do is? The bizarre the Royal vais when I say they, but when I'm by they we mean, Vince, when there's this like, you know, even Meltzer at one point, I'm one of the radio shows was like conceited like, well, you can't blame the writers. Right. And I was like, oh, oh, Dave, Dave what where would anybody who listens to your fucking show arrogant, the idea that it's the writers fault? Are you fucking kidding me? Dame, are you on so many pain meds 'cause you're God damn finger? But but it is when they do these imagined like shakeups or whatever, right. I feel like one of the things they immediately fall back to is that like worked shoot thing. That's so obviously, not a shoe. Oh, yeah. So it's that kind of thing it is you're you know, you're all the script. And it's like, oh, this is this is what are you doing? It's insane. Listen, look, no further than. Necessary promo that fucking triple h cut. Right, right. The Richard faliure bringing up his fucking dead. Bring up. Of that shit. None of that shit was necessary. I was going what in the Faulk is this and why no why for goner I got two questions what? And why? I mean that Rhonda being like, I'm not gonna play pretend anymore. And it's like, you know, what I it's just like. If I if meltzer's to be believed, it's her and Heyman are writing those promos, and it's like because it it's it's hilarious because you know. You get. It's just she sucks. She sucks. She sucks that the matches have been fine. But keep a fucking Mike out of her hand. It's like Goldberg it's like just book Goldberg. Do I need to hear Goldberg blob baba? I tend to think not it's it's it's the exact opposite of like, Kevin Nash. It's like keep the matches short and the promos long. Right. Well, you have to high people's weaknesses imagine doing that it. Here's what blows my mind. Here's what blows my fucking month. Okay. Okay. A that Bruce purchase back right in in creative somewhere right somewhere somewhere. You know? I mean, it's it's it's it's it's it's up there with like, you know. Pat Patterson being brought back. You know? I think it's crazy than that. It's crazy that at least it's been around to finish your there. You know at Pat, Pat, never pulled a gun on anybody. Right. You know? And then Heyman, you think all the way back to two thousand twelve when they brought him back just to be on air talent, just to be the voice of the laser many becomes the voice of the voiceless than he'd becomes the voice of Gaza row and mcgillicuddy and the whole thing, but he has and of course, he has weasel his way back into some sort of role in the creative process like going to different ears. Like he's the ring in Lord of the rings when it's whispering. Like, here's how we can. Fuck fuck. You forget them. If I get surprise, you think you weasel d-, you think Paul Heyman weasel weasel. We, of course, he weasel his way back in whispering into Vince Z. We should be looking forward to between him, and we should be seeing some shit before too long came out. Yeah. Oh, God damn how we're gonna shake things up gonna bring back to guys from the eighties. Shake it up. Go there and talk about how it's fake you colon joust you go out there. Ask bronze through minute. It's fake. What? To say the word fake, what where did you just say as if it's real goddamn pal? I remember one time in a meeting you think that gave them the rub that's an L rob having those guys on. Oh, they're from signal. You know, sometimes people think I'm senile I love watching senile on NBC Saturday nights at eleven thirty pm senile. It's my favorite show. Chevy. Chase. He's over. I love a man with a dimple in his June. Don't know what it is about it. I just you can trust a guy masculine. I there was a meeting once. Where again, and Kevin I love Kevin up and down left and right. But he was the guy that insistent bang is head against the wall. You know, because when you're in there with Vince, it's like, yeah. It's one of those things where you grab Kevin's be like, yes. Yes. Of course, this is what we would do. Of course, this is what makes sense Vince doesn't want to do that. But Kevin's catchphrase was always. Well, maybe I'm the only one feels this way. But it's you know, and be like isn't he supposed to defend the title within thirty two years things like that? Or you just like Kev freer for your own Santa your own Santa ours and ours understand the situation we have no ingredients to make that. Right. So we can't make it to we get it. I understand. I understand. We all understand. Yes. Of course. Yes. You're right. I know you're saying because you're like, well, somebody needs to say it, and it's like, okay, fine. Fine. So there was some some logic battle where it was like, why would we do that, you know? Instead of just this is what Vince wants to do. Let's figure out a way to make it work. Right. So Vince, so something with Christian where Christian had been pretending to be hurt, you know. And instead of putting it in those words, Kevin says of its men's I wasn't Christian faking that and then Vince just he'd like Cox's had a little bit just a little profiles. Like, he was what you not even that contact. You can't say you can't use the word fake and Kevin God bless them. Without missing a beat. He goes wasn't he fading that a mini? I wouldn't have thought of the word Fain if you had a gun to my head. I was Fain wasn't. He feigning that injury. Wasn't. He faking that injury wasn't. He what? Wasn't he feigning that injury? I said Fain. Frayne I'm gonna four. Name. Well, I will say on on the positive side of things. God damn Friday night at pro wrestling guerrilla, man, I'm so bombed my weekend freed up, and then I got fucking sick. Crazy. You're out. You're in you're out. You know, I'm glad you're on the mand. Dude. I slept all day Friday. Yeah. Holy that rest fluids rest rest and fluids. Opening match jungle boy Jake atlas and I wanna say trae Miguel tore the fucking house down match. I really liked it. Yeah. Yeah. You know at that point jungle boys father was was still win. But had suffered a stroke. So I was happy. Was there was doubly happy when he fuck in, you know, rocket. It was it was cool awful thing. Terrible. Fifty to fifty two dude fifty two. Yeah. Not not cool at all. But I will say the the pro wrestling guerrilla show was probably my favorite since the very first one at the globe. Really? I just the matches were fun and good. And I I had moved my location. I would you went up like facing the stage. Interesting facing the sage back a little bit like maybe four four rows back or something. And there was one faint, you know, person Saint stupid stuff, but it wasn't enough to throw me off, you know, not gonna fuck and ruin your night. And the guy won the one box. That's normally good for a bunch of bullshit didn't seem to be doing anything really as discussed other things happened in. And so it was it was just a fucking hot show and a fun time. Imagine it imagine it mansion that. Yeah. And and even just realizing now that I don't I don't have to I still got they're pretty early. You know old habits die hard. But I didn't I wasn't as like, yeah. I need to if I don't get down there. Everything is gonna you know. So I think it was part of partly me. Partly the show itself. Nothing is. Get it all worked out. You being very undo. Yeah. Man. I'm trying to think. The fucking Luce brothers came out in there. Like samurai, look and shit was very fun. Those two fucking bad ass. Did you watch in that botch Amana? You have to see the clip of this match with because it's like you'd think. Oh, of course, teddy Hart is in the match, of course, everything goes, FOX. But it's just it's not him. He's just it's just the radius if he's anywhere near a match everything goes wrong. It's them and David junior. It's just like holy God. And then know fehb and all that. And I think I've said this before but like Pentagon's should never be out in public without the paint. Because if when he's just standing there with this shit, and he's just got the mask on just like 'cause nor by he's like, you know, he's a scary mount a fucker, right? And you're going like, all right. You like, oh, you're just a guy which is. Of course, that's fine. But, but you know, what I'm saying? Of course my God. Just like if you're at the show just just just having I still have the picture. Maybe I'll use this picture as the for the show his brother in the parking lot or receive this shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Got off to a late start. And they're like, we'll fuck you. We're going to go out there and sell our fucking shit for them and then onto Saturday. It was to live and Diana L, A G CW. And then the suburban fight at this fucking warehouse downtown way downtown like right down not too far from the seventeen twenty like like on the south like under the ten so like kind of to to the south edge. Okay. In an area that you wouldn't otherwise wanna go or park. Probably you don't spend your Saturday nights hanging out under the ten while they're just they're just not a lot going on, you know, it's very industrial. What I also think this this it felt a little bit like maybe a place, they shoot stuff kind of like the original Lucia temple that way, you know, but it was like embroil heights. No, I just. No. I just mean inside of the building felt that way below because it was like whitewashed like just fucking dank ass cement like building. Right. Oh, I wish I what's the Don. Hooper Hoover Hooper Hoover. One of those. But did you go to any bars near it? Now. I we went to burn it. That's and then drove over which was still like, you know, eight minutes away or something. But so I say to say I'm just asking because I like I've shot stuff down and around and like those areas like I mean fuck we shot Batman videos at temple. Yeah. I don't I don't know that that's what it was. But for some reason at a certain point, I thought that might be the case, but you're probably right. There was one place. That was the reason I asked of a bar because there was one studio warehouse thing that we were always at and right next to it was like a mixologist type bar that was not this place. No, not possible. Okay. Possible. But yeah, it was it was cool, man. And the. Orange. Cassidy is a fucking. He. Everyone's Levin orange him and him enjoy Ryan squared off. Yeah. That was wild. I don't think I've ever seen him live. Well, he used to be fire ant. He was one of the. Yeah. Yeah. Then I have seen them. But but yeah, he just does this. I mean, it's. On one hand, you can say like a guy that doesn't give them Faulk. But there's there's like a little more to it regardless that was that was a cool match jungle. Boy, had another good match Tyler Bateman who who's who's a bad motherfucker that he was in a scramble that was fun. I think it's overdue. Tyler Bates, gotta be gotta go to suburban fight here before too long. He's just it just made for him feel like he would. He would excel. You know? I mean, he's such a perfect fit for that. It's funny. I'm thinking to myself. Oh, he hasn't been there. Not not any hasn't. No, you're right. But and then there was a lot of light tubes and barbed wire and panes of glass and things which again is like that's fine people were digging. It not my deal. And certainly I was in the front row. I wasn't staying there app for it. When did you take off as soon, as you know, because this time it was like they were loading the ring. It wasn't like during the match you learn. Oh, right there. They were like loading the ring. So I was like, okay. I'll just you know, 'cause 'cause there was a separate room. There was a garage door. And then a separate long room suburban fight took place entirely in a separate room from where the main show happened. And there was like an outside area like a smoking area. But so it's not like those matches for fun. And a lot of stuff was exploding fire. There's a fire table shut up with Lynn on fire. It sounded like they loved it. I I was in the next room. I mean, I could sort of you know, it was all good. I'm happy. I'm happy. They were happy. Just not my thing. But but then suburban fight boy, though. Yeah. First of all I wanna give shout out to OG. Kevin gill. What a good, dude. What a what a fun guy. I hope that. Maybe next time. We'll all have a chance to stick together. Very cool, dude. Yeah. And we had a good time calling it. But there was just in the other in the suburban fight room was just like a an old style. Tv set like a flat screen. That's like as big as this bookcase condom on. All. Yeah. So, of course, few people's heads found that and there's just randomly jetski. So there was a chat ski involved, man. A lot of carnage. It was it was fun. And suburban fight man, though, shows are always Superfund action packed and union got time to fuck and be like to look at your watch. Like, it's it is like happening at that. The right pace, especially after show like that. Like, you know, you've already seen one show. They yeah. I can't say enough good stuff. And I feel like a lot of people are starting to figure it out that suburban fight is the the show to be at. We are scared about suburban fight is. There's always something innovative as well. You're going to see something. You haven't seen before TOTO. Yeah. It it's it's always a good time. So anyone within earshot and within driving distance or more more should should try to check that out the next time and happens. And now there's there slowly winding up on YouTube. Yeah. And I'll say this. I think I feel like they'll probably go back to that room down there because I was I was talking with Madison about it's like it really feels like anything can happen in there. You know, where you're in. Hi, how you're like. There has to be like hi hats, not just gonna let whatever and shit. But it just has that vibe, you know, each venue has progressively opened up more and more too. Because the first place. What was it called the the resident it was so tiny? Yeah. It was like a hallway kind of. I'd hallway very like a wrestling and a shoebox. Yeah. And now the hi hat is there's a lot more room. But you're still feeling like these people are let I mean, even even there. I would say like I can't believe letting this happen every time, right? Every time we've been there. I'm like a to do. They know what's does management. Yeah. Does the owner is the landlord? Bart bar sales, talk and. I don't know the wrestling fans. Enjoy drinking. If you knew that found profound. Yes, mattie. They really. Yeah. So it was it was a good night. It was a late night. But yeah, what time did you probably got home around before three not too long. Just just south of three. I'm glad I didn't because I was feeling better on Saturday. But I was like what ruined you? Yeah. God, and I had gone to Jared, and cares baby shower. So then I was trying to you know, right? That was the other thing. I was like I was going to go by that. And I was like now 'cause I 'cause I 'cause Glenis was working on Saturday. So then it was just me and Jack, and I'm like somehow by the grace of God, I got that kid to take like an hour and a half nap fucking crashed out to. Yeah. Yeah. Saved me willed it. Yemen fuckin- enough, you know, this in addition to wrestling fans, enjoy drinking three roads, they got a lot of fucking energy, dude. Three will. Doesn't wanna take an app. Like, literally, I'm sitting in the chair in his room like nodding out, and I can hear him fucking around in a one point. I just go come on, man. You gotta try to reason with them. Come on, man. He really and then he went to sleep. We heard my dad's fucked. I try not to put too much on him. I'm like, no, no, no, no school, you know, human being though. But yeah, you know, like when he gets angry, I'm like AA nother all being angry. I get angry. Mom gets everybody. Feels that way. We're just we're responsible for how we act so let's just calm down. Let's let's set the table backup. We don't need to be flipping tables. Yeah. I'm an amazing dad. All my God. I saw that movie. Greta so did I fuck you log you do not not not my not my Cup of tea either. Why do not my Cup of tea either? I didn't know a thing about it. I did I oh baby. As soon as it started, though, it said, you know, Neil, Jordan. I was like oh fuck this is going to be real good. Then mean, nothing to me. But I'm I'm I'm partial to Irish men. Yeah. Berry very well accomplished Irish director crying game Michael column. Okay. Okay. Interview with the vampire knows what he's doing. There you go. Well, the later on in the movie the the private investigator. It's the guy from the crying game. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. That poor mother fucker. That was a great movie. Go. See, Greta scary. It's fun. But yeah table flipping maybe think of that the this fucking Jim cornet DVD 'cause I've been listening to the drive thru. I'm hooked I've been eking into the experience. I don't know what my version to the experience was it just depends. You know, it's it's a longer show, and it's not as wrestling based. So as long as he's talking about something that you find interesting interesting, which isn't that hard because just hearing the talk. Sometimes I mean, I I appreciate his politics on board. But I mean, you know, I don't need to listen to damage. Fucking Michael Cohen, whatever the fuck. All right. But but it's also there's something it's. Things that are current events. Like, I don't particularly feel the need to go back. And listen to like listening to him talk about a news story from right last to go back and try to. Yeah. Right. Whereas, you know, if I'm going to even even with like democracy now or like a news or like the. You're in the corner. Even with any of that shit. Bring that coffee pot on in here. But I mean, really if it suffering last week or like what I'm like. All news is old news. But like with the the the drive-thrus, evergreen, that's what it is is because we're talking about stories from back in the day. Just educating ourselves all that good stuff. All that good stuff. I love it. God damn oh. Did you listen to? Does you listen to the the Fritz von Erich story that he told when I texted you an an no I wasn't able to. Yeah. I texted you episode number and a time stamp on it. I will say that is my interest though in hearing him talk when he those last few weeks when he's reviewed Ron smackdown. Just hear him. Because now I'm like watching last night or. Again. It's it's the it's the same thing with Kevin act. Like the things that he's pointing on. I was like, Yep. No. You're absolutely hundred percent, right. And it's stuff he learned there. He's very clear about that out of this shit. I was taught there and I love that. Now, maybe Monday or Tuesday or both. But like, you know, like something crazy starts to happen. Then they just slammed break where it's like like an on a show on regular TV shows. Like, yeah, you want people to come back. But in this situation, it's like why would the camera if this is at all like sports or real? Yeah. Leave right now. You know, like, you're right this. It's like it's like if a fight started in a baseball game. And they're like we'll be right back. You know, just like, no, no, no, no, no. You know? Yeah. Yeah. No shit. But it's just like after hearing it now, I'm just like now. I'm starting right? I see your and it's almost worse. Because now I'm like, oh, I didn't even really understand. Well. It's funny because to like having worked there, I can even were there live. I as soon as somebody goes flying out of the ring like I can be like though, this is your break spot there. They've gone to commercial now. Yeah. You know, like at a raw taping. I'm like I guarantee. This is what's happened. Even like literally it was like Hello. My name is Elias. And then it's Toyota, whatever like like, wait. He just he writes introduced himself. What the fuck are we doing it's so strange like the this? And it's Vinci's idea of how we're gonna get Elias over and Lacey Evans over like really trying for sophistication. Did you watch smackdown? Yeah. That was the first time I enjoyed Lacey Evans interruption because our true playing off it afterwards was fucking genius. He's a comeback expensive glove lady. I don't wanna put my hand. But I can't get enough are truth. Ye is. He's the best thing going today for me, man. I mean, the ma- the matches are good. But the entertainment is great upset. What's that? You must have been upset with. I I mean, I was but but truth is he's Teflon. Don, man, he'll he'll bounce back with something else. I'm not worried about truth. If they just put them on the TV just put him on the TV tip in the bit. King Kong Bundy drops dead. Day. Oh, do we have today? That's told me last week. We might. King Kong Bundy, man. I've been using this as a bookmark. Oh, yes. Summer slam pre party fundraiser. This is from twenty seventeen. Mcmahon's public house. Oh, we we out there. Yeah. Hung out there before after an XT, whatever. Yeah. And they had a an autograph signing with Tito Santana. Chico. Oh, this is hilarious. I never noticed that they did this. They covered their ass. It says prowrestler hall of Famer for a teeny tiny letters. It says formerly known as Tito Santana. Oh, he's not even allowed to be that his name who knows formerly known as King Kong Bundy, you know, it's crazy. Also, how much I I always wanted that King Kong Bundy shirt. Yeah. That WWF shirt with like his thumb going into the g. It's such a cool shirt. Looks like a crab claw. All but twenty five bucks to meet Tito, forty bucks to meet King Kong Bundy, well, you know, an all's forgiven. But this is why we couldn't come to agreement to get Bundy on the beauty bar show back in the day. You know, he doesn't wanna play ball. This is P. Not speaking of the dead. He's a businessman. You have no idea. I was going to talk about King Kong Bundy this week anyway because I went into the hidden gems. Oh, and I watched a tag team battle Royal from nineteen Eighty-four from the Awa. They used to call him boom, boom Bundy. Okay. It's that fucking this cracks me the fuck up Kona boom-boom Bundy, boom bunt is boom boom Bundy, and Jerry Blackwell they won the fucking tag team battle Royal a veritable who's who of tag team wrestlers in the wwl in nineteen Eighty-four hundred thousand dollar battle Royal hundred thousand dollars doing those two fifty thousand dollars. That's a lot of hamburgers little walking around on their lot. The only guy who you know. He he followed through on his step. You got his head shaving is never came back. That's right him and Kurt angle, they shave their heads. And it never grew back angle too. Here's the most amazing thing. They win the battle Royal hundred thousand dollars. They get presented the check for one hundred thousand dollars by United States. Senator Rudy Bosch wit Senator from I guess Minnesota at the time. Are you really, well, you know, dignitaries than the people this nature? It's not uncommon at a wrestling match. Maybe I didn't look it up. Maybe he wasn't a sitting Senator what Senate as? I don't know. But but but maybe he was retired. I didn't look that up. They may turn all the whites on MSG and Mike Pence will come in and sit down before the super card of honor. Whatever the fuck it's called. It was a hell of a thing. I even wrote down. I was like Bundy was an underrated talker. He got fight because they because then they had promos after the fuck in battle Royal in the back. Yeah. He was fucking great. Not too bad, even WWF he occasionally would have have occasion to I know. It's funny because it's one of those things where it's like, you know, you're with the greatest talker of all time, Bobby Heenan UNITA fucking open your yet. But he was convincing. He was probably one of the greatest looks ever in the history. Pro wrestling is he the only action figure that ever came with blood already on it. Remember that one? Well, yeah. Because I was the the wrestlemainia to him in HOGAN. But I mean, like never before sense. Have they issued a toy right? That has blood like just it. He just has an open wound in perpetuity if you have that guy. I got him not the bloody one King Kong Bundy, he was always my favorite of the L J N toys to oh, you I mean, he you could kill a man with that with that toil. Oh my God. Fucking weighty little way to it. Yeah. AT? He's also dumb Rocco. So unfortunate the face. Hold on. Let me grab this vamp. Vamp wouldn't hope for that. Well, you know, there are still dialing it. Now now like all this technology. They come in and scan faces and that and they still fuck up some of the some of the looks. But L Jan days. You can't mess up Amer Valentine. What are you gonna do with that? I mean, one of my absolute favorite covers of WWF magazine. All right. It's going on over there. Fucking worried about you. The August September nineteen eighty six lick it Bundy. Yeah. Said fuck it take the eyebrows to he had just seen the wall. I mean, like legit shaved his eyebrows. That was a he was another one when he came back in the mid nineties. There was like sums wrong still different like, oh, yes eyebrows. Now the Bob Geldof at worn off. Can you imagine being a a professional athlete? Sweating every night with. No eyebrows. Fucking lunatic. Bundy interview King Kong king-sized questions for a tough monkey. Fucking. I mean, at least at least give them guerrilla status. It's also, you know, the two straps, but like on him it feels like the lowest cut. Like his his belly button is righteous shy of the line. Yeah. You can see I never really I've never really appreciated. He's got some chess Aaronson belly hair in this picture got to get rid of that Powell, we shave everything here in the here in New York. We don't do any of this either. Oh, no blood don't cutter for its open that big blue cage got him though. Man that fucking match was that match. Atrocious. No that one was here in L A. Okay. The one in Long Island would have been. Because mania to was in three different locations. Chicago had the battle Royal with all the football players. So the Long Island would have been piper and Mr. T boxing. Yeah. And then there was a couple other matches at each each spot. Well, I'm why suffering silence. You know, I can pull up magazine I can pull it the fuck and wrestlemainia to card right here. And I don't mean Google in on the goddamn locations on there. Here we go mate. Oh, well, maybe not. Well, maybe. Maybe knock off that Narragansett. Lamp. That lamp that's a beauty. Shit. Here we go come with fire Technics. Your eyes. Wow. That looks like a major award. Major award. Let's see wrestlemainia to Los Angeles sports arena. Chicago, where's the is? What's the Los Angeles sports arena now and no longer exists? They torn down rose at its it's right down by or even on USC campus. Was they snatched it right out of there though. I saw I saw Bruce Springsteen on the river tour right before they tore it down years ago for just a couple of years ago. Chicago Rosemont horizon, that's still there. The names different. New York Nassau Coliseum. Intact. But they did a huge. They did a rental on the islanders laughed and went to Barclays, right? Then had a falling out and went back to the Coliseum now that it's redone. Is it the same building? They tear it down and rebuild it or building. I think they just did they used to love going out to that fucking place. I wrestling show you and I ever went to together. That's what I'm talking about. All I remember is being in the parking lot. I mean that is it. Yeah. Broadcast from three separate arena venues, April. Seventh nineteen eighty six hulk HOGAN vs King Kong Bundy. Open invitation twenty man over the top outta Royal? Featuring stars from the NFL in that. We'll get to it all in that Jim cornet volume one when it's him and Dutch, and they do an interview segment where we're Dutch is running down. Like, you know, do you stay up late at night? It's like, no, no, no and cornets like, no, no, I'm usually in bed about ten o'clock, and you don't do drugs. Do you don't snitch cocaine like those NFL guys do you just like roof while stiff so then the rest of the card is? Okay. Yeah. Randy savage versus George Steele. Also, fuck Enzo. I love some people being like, oh, he's trolling. I'm like, no, no. He's a fucking boob. He's a fucking boo for those who don't know. He when I mean, he was talking about Georgia animal steel when he thought he was talking about King Kong Bundy, right? And then he backtracks in all I writes, the word, I I my bad. It was King Kong Bundy versus George the animal Steele, and then all the replies alike that match never happened. The only anyone bothered a reply the because fuck him, of course. But Faulk him let look at it. Let's look at it this way suppose he was just trying to get underneath people's skin on the day. A man died or he's going to be like, oh, yeah. He had a green tongue eight the turn buckles by not traditionally known as a classy individual not like, Vincent, man. Oh my God. But I mean, I remember we how long ago. Did that Simon Gotch shoot come out? And that's all like for weeks. You were like guys, I'm telling you have to watch the Simon Gotch shoot. It's incredible. You know, and then the chunk of him like just exposing ends dedicating all time credible. Incredible. But like my favorite was the story about like they were talking about like dusty Rhodes versus like who like. The Manny Fernandez, okay? And then whatever the angle was it was like, you know, Manny. You know attacked dusty. And or or crashes cars he did something wrong. Arm broke his leg. Whatever the angle was. Right. And then they're talking about it and Enso's dislike capably Manny would do that. I can't believe like what the fuck sooner coast problem. Like was so dumb. She thought. I guess it goes real name is Manny. And then they're like, no, you're fucking idiots. This is an angle. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No. I know. And then and I love the way. Gosh, housing's like all right. Yeah. You supposedly your favorite wrestler of all time dusty Rhodes, you don't even understand what the fuck retired. The fuck we're talking about or even if he wasn't that somehow Kuna co was involved in Angola dusty Rhodes like and also they're they're at a wrestling school talk about wrestling angles. And he's like he did what him. I can't believe he would with dedicated enough time to that shit stain. Paul orndorff versus Morocco. Mr. wonderful, the dream team versus the BULLDOGS. God was at this one. No. Was this the match where dynamite fucking takes that bump on the concrete? Was it mania too? It may have been wasn't a mania. I don't know. But I feel like it was a NASA. I mean, they were running pretty run a pretty steady. They may have been Nassau few times. I mean, eighty six that's pretty late for the fucking for the BULLDOGS because will buy buy eighty seven that's three. He's standing on the apron. Yeah. Trying to survive. This might be that match. I don't I don't quote me on that. Moola. Oh. Jake, the snake versus George wells, George wells. He was the old guy in the first season of. No, right. That's hilarious. Joe? I was gonna say no, he's the guy who did. Well, I can't even think of Rosebud. George. Well, you I my favorite movie Orson Welles citizen. Kane citizen game doesn't get you. Got it on Blu. Ray right up there. I got it on the floor. Day. Jake, the snake, oh, fabulous movers, velvet McIntyre, velvet McIntyre. I'm almost positive. She was just on this ship cornet, then is your historical Hoti, Sherri, Martel versus velvet McIntyre. Memphis TV September twenty fifth nineteen eighty two. What are you gonna do about it? What are you gonna do about it? I'm sitting here. I don't feel like there's much. I can do. Hey, this is a match custom made for you Nikolai Volkov versus corporal Kirshner who leather face steamboat versus Hercules from being a letter to another face. Stave versus Eric, please. I guess Hercules, Hernandez had to do all the work that match. Yeah. Trying to get that full Nelson on listen to this fucking main event in any arena. Adorable Adrian it on as versus uncle Elmer. And the perennial wrestlemainia opener Tito Santana and the junkyard dog versus Terry and Hoss funk, the funks was damn dirty Funk's. That's the other thing. Fucking Jimmy Jack funk is in this cornet thing under his given name. James Jesse warr. Oh, Jesse bar. 'cause I looked up. I was like because they kept being like, you know, he would have been on the Olympic team. If you know there wasn't the problem with Moscow and all that he was a nineteen. He was like not even an Olympic hopeful in nineteen eighty they're like, no he was on the Olympic team, but we didn't go because of political reasons so you didn't get to see him in the Olympics. I was like there's no fucking way. And so I go, and I was like oh my God. He's fucking Jimmy Jack funk gotta be shitting me. Who apparently got into a fight with Haku backstage, not wise, and there was a rumor that Hawke who plucked his eye out. And apparently, there's an interview Hakuna where he says absolutely not I intentionally made sure I didn't hurt him back on this fucking kid. You got it wrong. Brought to help him. Oh, no, no, no about a I did him the biggest favor of his life. Saved it. I held back on him. Brought up. Oh, man. You know, the other thing with Bundy is he was big. He was big. He was a king. He was a Kong boom, boom Bundy. Yeah. One. That's where they got the name for the family on married with children. Yes. One hundred percent, right. Right. Right. Raider of the show has confirmed that can come money was even on an episode. That's right. So when you see him in in world class, and he's got all the hair. It's bizarre. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It makes no sense. It's very strange, but it almost feels it's an it's funny to make this comparison. It feels like when Kurt angle would wear the headgear the fake hair S hundred percent that same haircut. Yes. The irony attached. There is. It's tough because so many of the world class. They don't have all the episodes on the WSB work. So you can't just sit down to watch everything in order and it's impossible to search for anything. Thank you. Fuck you buy. But there is an early. Early in what they have on the network world class where Bundy he's definitely bald at this point. So he's already bad bad bad to the bowl. He sells out to Skandar Akbar. I think as it is must be sounds, right. And it's an interview segment where they're in like Akbar's, you know, plush a state. Yeah. And it's them just sitting into, you know, chairs in the living room and Akbar, just hands Bundy, like, here's here's a taste just hands up a stack of money, and buddy starts counting it, and it's just incredible. Because then Akbar is still just cutting a promo to the camera about what he's going to do the von Eric's whoever else. But if you watch Bundy, he's just like one hundred two and like his face. And then every so often he'll glance up at the camera like a thousand Evan hundred Plevin. Cleven? It's fucking great try and find that if you can find it. Let's get that back in there. Let's get shelved. Yeah. I don't like having out for too long. No, no. It's not safe. I always loved the mania to the two of SOGA the Neons Ogun keep it secret. Keep it safe. Is a secret is it safe. Yeah. This Bundy cover can Bundy man Bondi, man. See him live. Mania three. Yeah. Yeah. You were there. That's that's what no other. That's the greatest match. I don't think I saw him. Any other time that I'm that? I'm remembering. But yeah, he was in there with the little guys that day. Lord little brook little beaver Haiti kid. God love that match things of this nature. Bob euchre on the call. Yeah. So you so you what do you think about little beaver? He's in there. Now a lot of beaver all over this place. He's in the ring. He's out of the ring. It's like Jesus you? Let's see this Gumbel. It's what we got. Got to be thinking. Come sunday. When it all goes down fastly, Mattie. Oh, yeah. Fastlane sunday. When the USA penitentiary opens the gate one more time. I mean Jesus Christ. That's another one. Like, I'm watching smacked on the UCS come out. I'm like, these guys are great. These guys can talk they can fuck and wrestle. They finally figured it out. And then all of a sudden like an and there's there's a guy in the crowd or if you noticed this. I want to say he was wearing like a yellow hat or yellow shirt. What's going on? I was in the crowd. I was wearing yellow definitely had a yellow onto. What do you need? What do you want? Hey, what's going on Brutus hurt? The put you in the hall of fame. I got I'm the one that got you into a talk to Vince, I called him up. I was like, hey, man. You gotta put put beefcake in. I gave my ring size, dude. Cool. Boop. It was going on and. Brutal. But yeah, but they're floundering working against. Well. Here's the thing. This this clown is in the crowd. And I see I I I notice I'm like that guy. Just boo. And then they're cutting their promo and they finished something. Then I see him throw up the thumbs down. And I'm like, you know, Lynch there as my pal Vince from the we watch wrestling show in the crowd right now out get a load of this. He's booing and thumbs downing the USA does all of a sudden you hear here comes the money. This guy. Yeah. Like, you're you're cheering for Shane. At that point meet like done, and it's a shame because I love the MS I love the MS. But I am just. I'm just could not give fuck less. Yeah. Is this all leading to MS and Shane at mania. All you're talking about. Yeah. Oh, I couldn't give all around. You gotta hope man. I mean, you got you gotta have figured in. If they're if they're going to have mania, there's mania you gotta have figured in. You got to figure out what Stephanie is gonna ride to the ring. You got to. You know, get get somebody's dance number together. Doing any number of this year. We need stars. We need entertainments give needed it all give our truth. A maybe it's a seventy-second dance break, you know, get get a number in there. No book. Shinedown or one of these hot bands of to do a concert. And then, you know, maybe it'll be time for a couple of matches in the eighth or ninth hour. That's why we're going. That's why we're going there. I hope it's not cold. It's gonna be freezing. Gumbo. Son. Hey, vince. 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That's right. That's right. That's right. You heard right. What it's so weird. I mean, far be for me to look for logic in WWE. Okay. Kevin owns is a baby face Heo yet. He was granted a title shot by Vince McMahon who took it away from a baby face Kofi Kingston. And somehow I'm supposed to be cheering for Kevin Owens, the the every man he's a man. Such a man, I I fucking thoroughly enjoyed Daniel Bryan's work on smackdown. Oh that early thoroughly. He's clicking man. He's click, and he's the man talking about a guy who are had it figured out figuring it out again. But yeah, there's there's no logic to be found there. So any fools Aaron I would I would suggest you spend your time on something more valuable than trying to figure out who's a baby news. I know here's. Here's you. You know, I will man fast shaping up like this. Men know what then we talk about this. She McMahon does not need to be on this show. He looked. Stuck his head in the drain last time. It's real blowed up Daniel Bryan, Kevin owns I imagined. Something will happen there. Right. We'll we'll get Kofi back in to work toward mania pancakes. You know, there's not a lot of ways to make those vegan and organic. So they they already got a program built into Kofi Daniel, Bryan. Boston connection fine nine to Meena will now we got some because now we got the risk violence. Now, we got the risk of somebody going out on a stretcher legit. I come back in and Vince is all excited that tomato might legitimately hurt. Someone. Can't leave me alone. Like that man, we need what we want blood. I'm on a for a gig, man. I had to take the call, dude. You ain't got explain it to me or nobody else, man. Do you homie? Hey, man. Take a look at the picture that kid on the wall. Okay. It's up to me to fucking put food net fucking kids mouth. All right. Your man on a mission. He's fucking. He's twice as big as he wasn't that picture big fan. Big fan. We we've never played it. That's fun. Where did I get that? I feel like that came in like some like a gift bag for for some comedy festival. Right. That sounds right, right. It sounds right. I feel like that. I feel like that's where you got it. Probably what is it called banana Graham nanograms it scrabble, but it comes in a I'm sure the free form it's very free form scrabble and it comes in a little Kanana. But Hannah Matt spit it out, it's banana, it actually doesn't look all that different than the fanny packs that will be selling mania weekend. Baby. The mania merchant Star Trek if you're not. Following us new hot item, social media. There is a this is this is a scorcher call it a fanny pack called a waste bag some people wear it over the shoulder. Now, it's real hot item. Call it call it what you will just don't call it late for Soames. That's right because it's going to be jacked up, and you're gonna need something that we can to carry all your stuff Saturday. You're gonna want to load all your shit in there. Have have you checked on the ticket such situation again for April sixth on the last time? I checked we were like so close. I don't know. I imagine tell us when it sold out this. They I mean kids if you want to go see us menu weekend, April sixth you gotta get a ticket get his get a ticket now because at first there was going to be tickets available at the door. Now, we don't know now. And if there are it'll be a couple, right literally like three or four may might maybe some standing room if ticketholders don't show up. Yeah. Like a waiting like a standby, right, right? There is no standing room in that place. I haven't been to the pit in forever. It's it's the theater, right? So it's right. The big room. It's all chair. There's nowhere to stand. But you could stand by guess, I guess you could stand on the doorway and give the fire marshal a heart attack. You could you know, Crimea river. So what you could do Grammy arena. Fast lane. I got down to the to match. Are you shitting me Ray mysterious versus Android is going to be a dark match couple liuqiu that's not dark matches it or it's on the key. Is it on the kickoff? That's what the little pee. I mean, according to Wikipedia says dark. Pre show pre show. All right. Well, I to me that's a dark match. Well, all right. Pre show doesn't count revival versus house to black and ricochet versus Chad Gable? And Bobby rude. Jesus. Fucking christ. Can we give that match eighty minutes? Yeah. Let's let let's have that. One goal is Christ Becky Lynch versus Charlotte flare. Again, I'm down shield versus. Okay. You lost me? Oscar versus Mandy rose. You don't like the lone wolf. Corbin? Cormon? I mean, drew McIntyre I can get behind. Yeah. Hormann and Bobby Lashley snooze a ruse putting on my snooze ruse Lashley Oscar versus Mandy rose many rose almost killed us. Go over the weekends. Did you see that? I didn't some fucking how show dropped on a fucking head. Dropped her on her fucking. It's like can we just we just get and manny's manny's? Okay. Manny's? Okay. To you know, the first time, I we ever saw any rose. I was like, oh here we go. Some you know, we gotta look at the degree of difficulty. Right. It's like, oh here we go. She's she's beautiful. She can't work. But I'm saying to your point not is it is it a situation where they're trying to do like, they fine. If they if she didn't try to do more than she can deal or what you know. Can we look at what can we look at just having people on the roster who can actually work? This is this is my pets. That's never happened. We got kyri and an EEO floundering in fucking no-man's-land. We got God damn God. You know? Yeah. Bailey and Sasha just fucking hold hold the tag titles baby big-time, fine fine. But I mean, look they're working against. You fucking fuck and potato Bado. Twice baked twice bake. But that's call that team twice baked. And then use os vs MS and Shane it's just like. You know, I love Mr. death. But what he's the fucking workhorse. Your fucking tag team. That's what it was a tomato that that got went down the drain and got a bunch of hair on it last time when the matches over right? Yeah. Shade looks like a tomato fell down the drain the main drain. This. Shane. Oh mac. Let me tell you something. All right. Well, let me tell you something. Let me tell you, dude. This cornet DVD. Here's what like I. Am enthralled. Okay. And I I could watch this all day because it is. It's a perfect wrestling tape. It's the kind of thing that we used to order online. Right. Where it's got everything you need to see from an angle, you know, right? It's high quality. You know, it's it's it's DVD quality of of old video tape. You can hear it and understand it. You can watch it and see what's happening. And it starts from the beginning. When cornet is first introduced as well, and Lance Russell, the greatest awesome. Just the greatest, you know, could that guy get things over and this ain't nostalgia talkin. Neither of us. We didn't grow up in the Memphis, Tennessee area watching Jerry Lawler every fucking Saturday morning. No. But but every time every time you see him. She's fucking getting it done eight. He's getting it done. He's the believability factor is incredible. You know, the the. I buy everything he says he's a class act. He gets everything over. I mean, look no further than Lawler funk empty arena where it opened one of my favorite parts of that match is the opening with Lance Russell just being like just almost like this is be footage. This is you know, I don't know if we're going to use this or not let I just wanna shoot a thing in case. This thing comes I'm I don't know if either of them are going to show up and then he lights the cigarette. And I'm like, oh you rolling. Okay. Why don't we do? Let me get rid of the cigarette here. Give me a countdown three to folks, this is Lance Russell coming from the mid south Coliseum. You know? It's just it's it's incredible. And then with Terry comes out, and he starts threatening land. I look like a fool Jerry Lawler thinks fool now. Hold on. Hold on Terry. We wanna use some of this footage. I can't show it on TV with you swearing like that I don't give a shit Lawler role and then Lawler role full full kit with crown oh my God with the Cape. And the crown what are you got Lawler? You got a gun. You got a gun. Fucking gun funk. But so any rate the cornet shit. It's just he's a baby. He's like what? Twenty. Maybe when he. Yeah. Young very young and looks younger. Oh my God. Like, baby. And it's just brilliant. It's the it's we start getting over that. He's just I'm a rich kid. My Mamma gave me some money. And I always wanted to be a wrestler. I'm too small to be wrestler. So I just want to be involved. I'm going to be a manager. And then, you know, Lawler comes out, and he's just like just good hearted like making fun of his pants in his shoes. And and then and then it builds like the next week, and he tries to side build on D And build onto his leg. Oh, you know, you kind of and they they're just giving him a hard time. But it's he's not just a bad guy. Twirling his mustache, right? We understand like we were not on his side. But we understand why he suddenly like he doesn't like these guys. Now. Right, right. He can't take a joke. You know? Yeah. He thinks he's right. Is right. Is right thinks he's right. I don't know if he's just so people know, I don't know if he's still sells us on his website or be. Lot him. But this is a DVD that cornet sells on his website that it just as first year in the business. Right. And it's and it starts Memphis. And what's also great about it beyond the footage and be like week to week. Here's here's chapter one chapter two chapter three. And it's like he finally signs a guy like he he says, he signs Dutchman towel. And I'm like, okay, cool. And then it goes to Duchesne and Lawler wrestling that Monday and then corn and such a brilliant finish to like the referee gets. Bumped Dutch is about to win the belt from Lawler cornet doesn't know what to do. He's also he's a it's it's like the first match he's managing basically he jumps in the ring to wake up the ref. The ref wakes up sees quit. The he's oh d q Lawler wins. Now duchess is upset like you fucking cost me the match you fucking your rube. But it's also the booklet inside it breaks down each thing. And it's obviously written by cornet himself. And he gives a little blurb on each fucking segment of like, this is what was going through my head. You know Dutch helped me come up with this stuff. And you know, I I was learning and then each week just like breaking it down and even explains like Dutchman, tell was a was baby face at the time and him and Lawler had been having baby face matches. And it's this thing of he still stayed a baby face, and then they go to the prominence week where he was like, you know, the street me and Lawler is I have no problem taking your money, you're an idiot. And then he turns on fucking cornet. And it's and it's just it's great. It's so well done. It's all logical. Yep. And it's all building to a thing. And then he signs with you know, whatever they call them the one man gang. And then all of a sudden on Monday, he's the guy. Wrestling Dutch mantel because now he and it's it's brilliant booking. Because it's he still this brand new inexperienced guy at first you get it over with him and Lawler. But then you gotta bring it down like he. Can't be immediately locked in a feud with the top baby face. So then we bring it like, we we ease back on it. It's like okay now he's in a feud with guys with Dutch. Right. You know, it's fucking brilliant. Yeah. And also of all the things he's introduced August. Twenty eighth nineteen eighty two on Memphis TV Bill Dundee. You know, do you know who Bill was wrestling at the time? Beautiful Bobby Eaton of all people people people. Bob. Yeah. Everything I've ever gotten from Cornyn websites is high quality and well thought out and well done like that. Yeah. So I mean, I am hooked I'm hooked. But it is it it. It does feel like a you can have to. Thank you. Fuck you buy shirt. Where down to the school pick up your boy. Oh. Oh. Dude yesterday. I picked him up. I forgot what I was wearing. I showed up in the LA parka shirt. Let somebody gave me and k-. It's la- parka any basically looks. He's got his arms crossed like an coffin and both middle fingers up picking this get up at a rupee breeze school, and all of a sudden, I realized oh, oops. You're like, you got your arm. This. I. Jackie's backpack from his company. I'm just holding it over my chest. I was like sorry. Pardon me, excuse me. Excuse me barred me, excuse me. I'm just leaving. I got into some serious hidden gems this week. You gotta listen to that story that he tells them. Yeah, I'm gonna do that right away. Stingers Muto power our nineteen eighty nine. This would have been a few days before the big tag, Matic, clash of champions sky. Fucking like it needs to be said great Muthu on real, dude. Unreal crisp and a long like a nice long match. And they just go at it. It's just a bygone era. It ain't hard man. It ain't Hillary wrestling. You know, you didn't at no point. Did like, you know, Gary Hart get on the mic, and he's like, listen, Steve Borden. That's what this is about. I'm so mad. I'm gonna call you by your real name. No, more, no, more pretending. Yeah. Jesus. H Christ grew the woo. Is Rhonda talking. No, more MRs. Nice. No more. Mrs nice bitch. I get it. I can't okay, whatever. Whatever the why. Why are oh just give me the match lawn thing in a bit because we're going to do it sooner than later honor. Patriotic we're doing a raffle for two tickets to double or nothin' AWS double or nothing in Las Vegas. That's right. It includes together two seats together seats together at the show, you the winners responsible for getting themselves there and everything else, but we have to tickets to give away to one of our patriots patrons and a lot of folks have already entered. And so if you have any interest just go on over to patriot dot com slash we watch wrestling. And what are you gonna do what he what he had to do to be entered into the on? There is a I put up a a post you just comment in the post that you want to be in. And then I want as it. It's a raffle. I will just just like. Cow. We pick the people who choose each month special issue, put it in put all the names that wanna be an into the randomize are do people, and maybe we'll even shoot video of it make it legit legit. We we got we got no. We got no horse in this race. No, other than we're just it's just another thing we want to try to do for the people who who's us. So that's why we're doing it with the patriot people. You gotta sign up for the patriots. I mean, kicked on dollar. You can be in one dollar in there. It's like, you can do whatever you want to do. But if it's only gonna be open to patrons. So and let's just let's just call right now when we're gonna do this. So that we can be clear on it here. And then the other thing is. People are on the Facebook group are interested in doing a the brackets for the new Japan Cup. Yep. I don't know how to do that. I've never done brackets before. I haven't looked at somebody is someone like doing it or someone wants to do it. Somebody posted the BRAC somebody made brackets unlike an excel spreadsheet, and then all the comments have been I'm in I'm in I wanna do this. So. Okay. I don't know how to do either. I don't know how to do it either brackets. But I don't know how to like in in that environment will have to figure out or someone. Well, I don't know that I will. But somebody will right. I mean, if somebody wants to take the lead on that. Yes. Maybe. Give it another week of people time to get in there for the double or nothin' for the double or nothing because we got time. It's not till may so. Well, we'll we'll pick a date next week. We'll we'll find a winter. And then you'll have plenty of time to book your travel, if you don't already have some book. But what's almost gonna win two tickets double or nothing about that complements? The we watch wrestling podcast the seats are in the building. Yeah. I mean, they're the two hundreds. But no, we're not we're not trying to say the front rows. But a lot of people can't get into building. So this is to enter the building you might be up there in the rafters with Bob euchre. But you're going to be there. Reno. Sometimes you're in a spot like that. And they're ain't a bad Seton house. Hey, man, we watch a Monday nitro in that arena. And you know, you get that wide locator shot. We'll got. These these great seats what the phone refree, whatever the fuck, you know, it's weird as cornet clears his throat. He's he's always. Strange. There's nothing there. Jim you've been screaming nonstop for forty years. That's what's happening. Eight to ten Kansas spreads zero day. The other things I watched. Tito, santana. Demolition cat. Let me let me I wrote. What your it was? Nineteen eighty-seven demolition versus Tito, Santana and mill mascara, and this is definitely from some random videotape. Okay. Because it's got the play by play commentary is Bruce Richard k Mike mcgurk, the female ring announcer and the two could Dorchester Daudi up way. It's just a random match and also mill mass GRIs in nineteen eighty seven. Yeah. Random that's wild. Yeah. I've been peeling through some ninety six Rawes, and it's just weird because you're in that zone where it's like you've got you've got the goon. And then you also have Steve Austin. He's like you're they're finding their way there. But it hasn't tipped yet. You know what else? I watched that's up there. 'cause the hidden gems. It's like I feel like every. Eweek? They I think they add new stuff every week. But there's no way to really look at everything that is brand new bunched together. Right. So I just kind of scroll through each year and look for that little banner that says just added. Yeah. But then I wind up seeing all sorts of cool stuff. And I was like, oh, I didn't even know that I get into it. Nineteen ninety seven. From the Pennsylvania railroad train station. Oh Penn station Yan station. Yeah. Hunter hunter and undertake. Shotgun Saturday night awfully do. That's a hot one. Yeah. So random and crazy. Yeah. I somehow I can't remember. Oh, I think they put it up in the lead up to the one of those Saudi Arabia shows because I remember when I yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, it's also crazy is because like. It's just that match. Yeah. But like there's one thing I'm scrolling through. And it's like oh watch. Tomasz? Oh, ciampa and one of the guys from the war raiders as job guys on Raynham episode of velocity. I'm like, oh, cool. So I flip on that. It's the full episode of velocity. And I'm like fucking sitting here watching it a cult, it's difficult user interface. I mean, but I mean, but, but it's like that's the thing. It's like Meudon stink. It's not the full episode of power hour. Right, right. It's not the full episode of shotgun Saturday night. I'm just like just don't advertise something. And then be like. Yeah. But you gotta find it. It's pure laziness because I'm like, oh, fuck and figure out where it is. I'm gonna watch velocity. I didn't even watch velocity. When it was on the air. Fuck you got it. You job is fucked. He's got neck surgery. Really yen all that he's out. He's done. Damned. I know that SOX. He's out for fucking takeover socks. Oh shit. No shit. Dude. You're telling me today interest business. Events. Yeah. Who's your favorite Archer? I should've said what's up what's up? That's right. Dr truth. Been just entertain the shit out of me. I like him in Carmella together. Definitely. Isn't it funny? Over the years. She's always been paired up with an idiot. It's always she's always with an idiot. Yeah. Yeah. Man truth is I I was hoping she's just a good balance of like, no, let her go. Find a Krant are truth. I was hoping if I would ever work at to John CENA match, I was going to be Johnson was gonna Anthony open challenge. And now here we are some Joe at a ruin it. And but even Samoa Joe's pro afterwards, he meant ruining. I'm like God, they keep bringing up sina, it'd be it's maybe it's Joe and CENA who knows man who knows where they're headed. Joe and seen at mania. A witch. A digression. But when Randy Orton interrupt AJ styles interview. No one to fifteen years to get here. I was like I stood up. Stood about about share shots fired. Ran shots fired. But that would be great. If it was Samoa Joe versus seena mania, dude. I do Orton and AJ that mania. I don't give a fuck. I feel like that's why we've got to be headed that feels like who's going to be in the Andre our oil Andrei every superstar wants to be the road. I wanna be who wouldn't want. What do you mean who wouldn't want to be the Andre battle, Royal? Who's your favorite wrestler? Matt King Kong come on. Are you serious point love on demand? Yeah. He's he's well up until this point. You know, it was this weird thing of like, I can't say cornets my favorite wrestler. But right. I mean of my youth. You know, bundy's he's huge beyond knowing what we now. What I now know, and you know, that, but isn't thing like I was going to talk about the boom Bundy, and I was fully prepared to for you to be like, well, he didn't wanna do any bar, and we'd we'd get into get into that. I gave him I forgive him all is forgiven. That's right. I mean Bundy was just. You know, no pun intended. But larger than life. You know, he was just an and I remember. I don't even think it was on this show. Maybe maybe. But it's like you go from mania one. You know, he beats special delivery Jones and seconds mania to he's the main event with HOGAN, then mania three it's just like off of a cliff. Yeah. He's in the, you know, the the mixed tag with hillbilly, and and the men's but. Still one of the most memorable matches from that show. And that is not an easy thing to do on a show like that mania three. And then I think when you're mania four I think he's gone when you're a monster like that. And you fall to the hero in that time. I think then that's you know, he found a place and still got over. But his, you know, his days in that mix. It's like, it's just different. Yeah. You know, and I've got it somewhere the colossal jostle. I love any match that has a name like that Madison Square Garden Bundy versus Andre the giant. And then when Bundy was a member of the Heenan, family and colossal jostle colossal joss. Oh, guys. I got it going to call it colossal jostle. And then in those days, the only other people in the room are like gorilla, and you know, our entertainment company Arnold Scotland. And then just like, whatever you save any. They're just counting their money. Like, yeah. We sold our shares to you. We love it. But yeah with Bundy it was like, I remember very early on in our friendship talking about wrestling. Just kind of being like what happened where did Bundy go? What what was the deal? And it was it was just like, well, he got he got his run with HOGAN. And that was it. Right. But then where did he go? Did he he did he go anywhere else? After that. He must have after WWF. He was just kind of figure. I mean, nothing comes to mind, but he is one of those guys where did feel like, you know, in the late eighties nineties when Indy wrestling was just you know, guys who used to be big who are now in. Yeah. A high school gym it always felt like income bunny was on that Bill. It is weird though that he never turned up WCW. Yeah, we're that. Well, then by the time, and then he came back in ninety five or thirty six, and he had eyebrows again. We're gonna kids find you online. 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Hope Hicks tests positive for coronavirus

The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell

46:38 min | 10 months ago

Hope Hicks tests positive for coronavirus

"Now it's time for the last word with Lawrence O'Donnell anything alerts, Doing Rachel, and thank you. Thank you very much. For Representative Malcolm Can Yada that interview I think is the interview of the week what you did in this last hour taking us inside what's really happening in the Pennsylvania. Republican controlled legislature what they are trying to do with this election I could have listened to him. For the rest of the night, I could. Ran that video of him in the meeting for another hour, I'd be riveted to it. This is. So. Much at stake and we see this one person in. Pennsylvania doing everything he possibly can to fight against what Republicans are trying to do their. This is a thank you for bringing this story to our attention we all have to stay on it obviously. Yeah what what the Republicans are doing there is really really important. Potentially determinative important in terms of the presidential election and the Republicans who are willing to do stuff like that. In state legislatures swing states are going to become some of the most important newsmakers and the most important people for us all to pay attention to over these next few weeks I will send you a I'm gonNA twee link for the Entire footage of Kenya's testimony at that hearing because I played a little bit on the whole thing is fantastic. You should see the whole thing. Well, let's coordinate on this because I'm happy to have him on tomorrow night to continue this but I don't want to get in the way of what you're doing Let's just keep a Malcolm. Can Yada. As, we possibly can the rest of the way here. I will call them and tell them you're going to be calling. You Richaud. Tonight there is now only one degree of separation between Donald Trump and covert nineteen bloomberg broke the news tonight now confirmed by NBC News and The New York Times Donald Trump's closest aide who is not a family member has tested positive for coronavirus. Bloomberg reports quote Hope Hicks One of President Donald Trump's closest aides has tested positive for coronavirus infection according to people familiar with the matter there was no indication that the president has contracted the virus. The people said Hicks traveled with trump aboard air force one to and from the presidential debate on Tuesday. Hicks. Traveled with trump to his debate with Biden on Tuesday and to a Minnesota rally on Wednesday trump's entourage entered the debate hall without face coverings were removed them as they sat down and refused an offer of masks from a doctor at the Cleveland Clinic which was co hosting the event. Biden's guests wore masks. Hicks. Was Seen on Tuesday riding massless in a staff van with white. House senior. Adviser Stephen Miller campaign advisor Jason Miller, and others when they returned to Washington on Tuesday Stephen Miller and Hicks were seen sharing umbrella as they exited Air Force One. In the rain near Times reports. Tonight officials at the White House have known since Wednesday evening. That she had the virus Tuesday night in the room with hope picks watching approvingly Donald Trump mocked wearing masks. Wear like him every time you see him he's got miss. He could be speaking. Two hundred feet away from it. He shows up with the biggest mask I've ever seen. He has to lie about Joe Biden's mask. He has to lie about the size of. Joe Biden, of course, whereas the same kind of mask all the rest of US wear. But Donald Trump certainly needs the biggest mask we've ever seen if he's going to continue to hang around the reckless people who work for him. Here is what Joe Biden said in response to Donald Trump's idiocy about masks. Mass make a big difference. His own head of the CD said if we just more mass between now, if everybody wore masks in social distance between now and January, we'd probably save up to one hundred, thousand lives it matters. Hope Hicks will not be accompanying Donald Trump on air force one to his rallies. This weekend in Wisconsin, the state, which is suffering its worst outbreak of corona virus yet will be joined later in this hour by local official in Wisconsin who does not want president trump to come to that state Donald Trump's recklessness reckless recklessness. With his staff continued recklessness. The combination of that on the krona virus is a piece of the relentless recklessness of Donald Trump and his staff in the face of threats to the American people be it from a pandemic or bad actors like heavily armed American White supremacists whose pride in their white supremacist beliefs is included in the childish name they've given themselves the proud boys Donald, trump refused to condemn them on the debate stage and the White House press secretary refused to condemn them again today which the racist anti-semitic members of the problem have taken as encouragement. Donald trump now lives in the same house in pretends to work in the same office. Or President Franklin Delano Roosevelt lead and won a war against racist antisemites with guns. Donald Trump and his permanently tainted staff. Now do everything they can to coddle and encourage racist antisemites with guns. Here's what Donald Trump's former national security adviser General HR McMaster said about this today on MSNBC. It should be super easy to condemn white supremacists right and so I think. That these these these extremists really gain traction right and they draw people in because there's a perception that they're legitimate and not. A fringe Yo hate-filled movement and that's what they ought to be characterized Azin and I, think we we Americans who identify as Americans who respect each other regardless of race color creed sexual orientation right who are tolerant and who were proud that we live in a democracy in which we all have a say how we governed our voices have to be loud and drowned out these people who so hatred and wants device polarize. HR McMaster told the Atlantic quote. No leader should encourage any group that is based on a narrow identity that aims to supersede our identity. As Americans, we begin our discussion tonight with the breaking news that hope Hicks the closest to trump who is not a member of his family has tested positive for coronavirus we're joined by Dr Seuss John Dean of the Brown College of Public Health Jar thank you very much for joining us tonight. What do you make of a situation? Where someone? Who's that close to Donald Trump who's been on Air Force One with him now, four times just this week the with Tuesday and Wednesdays flights of what do you make of that for as a risk for the president. Lawrence, thanks for having me on. It is a real risk for the president and first of all I still can't believe that the White House staff don't wear a mask around the president that the president doesn't wear a mask I appreciate the fact that they're getting tested all the time that is not enough. Mass are still essential, and at this point, the CDC guidance on this very clear. All the people who've been around her over the last few days should self quarantine or fourteen days And that includes the president. So I don't know of any of them are going to do that, but it is clearly risks and it would be a very bad thing for our country for president was to be infected. We've got to be much more careful than the White House staff is big. So Dr Jar according to CDC guidelines. The president of the United States to night is a danger to others because of his exposure to covid nineteen. Look. He's been around somebody who's infected He's been around that person when they weren't wearing a mask. and. It's happened multiple times over the last couple of days when. Ms Hicks might have been most infectious, and so it is critical that he wanted himself and avoid other people. So. He doesn't continue to the transmission chain and doesn't spread the virus to others. And he's scheduled for two rallies in in Wisconsin this weekend. Would that be even they would now be uneven more reckless public health health risk for the president to impose on Wisconsin. First of all, it clearly was a bad idea before this whole thing happened Wisconsin is the third highest number of new cases in the country. It's a super hot red zone lots of cases. So bringing people together for rally was very, very dangerous but I do think at this point, the president should not be out and about, and again I, think he should be quarantining himself end of getting continued to get. Tested until he's no longer a risk but I think for his own protection for those around him, everybody was been in touch with Ms Hicks really be a is self-isolating until until further notice. So a dot jar the breaking news you're making right here right now is that the president of the United States should be quarantined why isn't just testing the president tomorrow enough why would he have to also be quarantined? While so what we know a couple of things, first of all the tests may not turn positive immediately and the tests are not perfectly sensitive. And so there is still a chance that he could be infectious have a negative to ask and so at least for some period of time, it may not need to be for fourteen days given that he is getting tested. But at least for some period of time, it is clearly within CDC guidelines and the prudent thing to do for him to be quarantining and not being around others until he can get a clear clean bill of health. So, this is a Thursday night he has he has rallies Saturday in Wisconsin, a clear and total violation of CDC, guidelines for him to do that. Now, even if he has been tested a tomorrow, say and Saturday to go into that rally environment in Wisconsin having been exposed to corona virus through hope Hicks. Businesses own CDC guidelines are pretty clear if you've been exposed to somebody else you should be self warrant inning. Again I do think ongoing testing can be helpful here but not in the next forty eight hours you need you need to wait longer than that. So if we're going to stick with the CDC guidelines this is not a good time to go and be a part of the rally. Dr Seuss Jar. Thank you very much for starting us off on this important subject tonight we really appreciate. Joined now by Michel Send, White House correspondent for PBS NEWSHOUR ON MSNBC political analyst also Christina greer associate professor political science at Fordham University, and you may sheer part of of the people who take the risk of being around these White House staffers being around the president. We have the breaking news at this hour that the president should be quarantined. That is the breaking news that America should be concentrating on right now. All public health officials the CDC Dr Georges indicated the president should be quarantined based on what's happened to hope Hicks. That's right and the other breaking news is the President says just a few minutes ago that he has been tested for the corona virus and is now awaiting his results said, he might be getting it tonight or Friday he said quote whether we quarantine or not I? Don't know. So essentially the president as you said as an as Josh said, he should be quarantining. He's openly saying he doesn't know if he's going to quarantine the other to notice that the president and his staffers while they are tested daily as someone who's in the White House multiple times a week I can tell. You that a lot of those White House staffers don't wear mass on they are tested in say that the reason why they don't have to wear masks is with they're they're tested regularly but the president tonight is saying he doesn't actually know his status and then that is something that he inversely winding up are waiting on. So this is really scary that that is the president is still trying to handle and get a grip on this virus and struggling through critics say struggling through his response virus he himself may now be a part of the the more than seven million Americans who could possibly be infected. Well, it's a good thing that they're not relying on the rapid test which is less reliable. The fact that they're waiting for results means they're taking the test that is the more reliable version of it Let's listen to what? Donald, trump said in an interview with a reporter. At his rally in Las Vegas and this is something appointed. Joe. Biden was making Joe Biden was describing this actual exchange don trump had in the debate the other night let's listen to this. More concerned about. Five. On stage at three far away. Handsome neither. Agree or so he was the only one social distancing at his rallies. But he certainly didn't have enough social distance from hope Hicks and there we see in this incident what I what I think is kind of a perfect representation of the utter relentless recklessness Donald Trump the trump administration, the trump's staff on all subjects of governance from the day Donald Trump was sworn in. Aren't I might even say from when he came down that gold escalator and called Mexicans rapist first things first I wanted to thank you me and Oliver colleagues who risk their lives every day to bring us the news from the White House knowing that the president and his staff don't follow a CDC guidelines. The president has always mocked mask bearing lawrence if you remember, you know all the way through. March, he was saying masks part needed. We heard him at the debate essentially chastising a Joe Biden for wearing a mask making a joke. We've seen people all over Florida and states across the country refusing to wear masks getting arrested, getting thrown out of grocery stores and sporting events because they would not comply, and so we have a real difference in opinion but here's the thing you know as senator. Moynihan's that we're all entitled to our own opinions, but we're not entitled to our own facts. Fact of the matter is we must wear a mask to protect ourselves for a virus that we're still trying to figure out the fact that the president refuses to lead the nation in a responsible behavior is just as you say Lawrence, it's completely. Just. Reckless. It's irresponsible and it's the type of a lack of leadership that sadly so many millions of Americans have grown accustomed to over these past few years. You may we saw today the White House press secretary of following the president's lead and refusing. To condemn, White Supremacists Donald Trump continue to refuse to do that. It is not difficult to link this to the refusal to wear masks. It is highly irresponsible responsible as the mildest word you can use. For Donald Trump and his staff coddling racist antisemites in this country. It was a remarkable scene at the White House today when the White House press secretary was was posed the question over and over again will will you condemn white supremacists and she simply would not do that and part of what she was doing. There was really following the lead of president trump who at that moment had not condemned white supremacists in the way that was just a declared a statement that being said, the president took tonight a full two days after he refused to condemn. That on the debate stage to then just on Fox News a few minutes ago say I condemn White Supremacist I condemn the KKK I commend the proud boys that's two days after the president refused to do that on a debate stage and he's doing that in front of a much smaller audience because of course, they were people that were tuned into the debate stage that we're waiting for the president to set an example and he just didn't take the time to do that. You See. Is the president responding to the pressure and the pushback he's getting and I should say the pushback from Republicans you saw Republicans in different states as well as in the US capital saying we're not quite sure what's going on here. Maybe his he misspoke maybe he will clarify the president now are saying he's clarifying it, but I can already tell you on twitter and on some of the exchanges I'm already having their a lot of people are saying this is too little too late it. Looks like you were forced into this. This reminds me of when the president finally acknowledged that Barack Obama former president Barack Obama was born in America it took months for him to be asked that question to be end to pose that question and finally he said, yes, I believe that he was born in America and ran off didn't take any questions about it. So this is the president reacting to really what shouldn't have been pushed back to to answer a very simple question about supremacy. And Christina the the president's claiming to not know anything about the proud boys or what they represent is a flawless. His, claiming for years ago that he did not know who David Duke was and he did not know that David Duke was a Ku clan leader when he was kind of welcoming David Duke support for his candidacy. Right at, I've never heard of the Easter Bunny Lawrence. That's absolutely absurd. We know that the president you know welcomes and sidled white supremacy has been doing that for most of his tenure in the white. House and so the fact is Jimmy said too little too late but he what he's probably feeling the pressure of it's not just the president at the top of the. Ticket, on the ballot across the country, we've got US senators. We've got governors. We've got all four, hundred, thirty, five members of the House on the ballot if a lot of Republicans who were in the fight for their lives and their many Republican voters who just aren't comfortable now pulling a lever for someone who who is unclear as to whether or not he supports white supremacy. Professor Christina greer thank you very much for joining us tonight you Michel Cinder. Thank you and you may please stay as safe as you can covering that trump White House. I will do that. My Mom will appreciate it. Thank you. And when we come back Donald Trump's former national security adviser. H, r McMaster said flat out today that Donald Trump is aiding and abetting Vladimir Putin. He's not the first person who's been trying to tell us that we'll be joined next by the Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee Congressman Adam Schiff. She's Joe Biden choice to be next in line. But who is commonly Harris join me joy Reid explorer life's journey from. 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They spent about eighty percent of their effort, dividing further on issues of race, for example, and then also though on uncontrolled immigration, and so we have to be cognizant of this, and we need our leaders to help pull the curtain back on it not aid and Abet Putin by by not calling him out on it or talking about other other nations are disrupting us Bush which they are. But Russia is the primary problem in this area. Now Congressman Adam Schiff of California the chairman of the House permanent. Select. Committee on Intelligence German Schiff. What was your reaction to hear of former National Security Advisor. Of this President Very. Plainly saying that Donald Trump is aiding and abetting Vladimir Putin. I I was glad that he spoke out and others need to as well those who worked without trump and understand what a threat he poses the country. Anna in good conscience remain silent anymore a what he had to say and bear my this is the second national security adviser of the president after Bolton to say the president can be trusted to defend the country of the merits of what he's saying that the president is. Betting. Putin. are sadly all too much on the mark. After all Putin and Russia are intervening in our election right now right now is people are voting. The Russians are interfering to try to help elect donald trump, and so discord there trying to amplify the presence false statements about whether we can trust the results of the election and what is the president doing? He's still praising Milkman is relationship or Putin there's a, there's a common denominator lawrence between. The two stories you just heard the one about his inability to to condemn and criticize the proud voice and his inability to condemn criticized Futon a basically, it doesn't matter how despicable it doesn't matter how damaging to our national security and white supremacist groups are a threat to our security if there for him east for them and and and how can we have some light that as commander in chief? What would you say to voters and they listen to you? They realize Russia's trying to interfere with their right to vote with their ability to cast their vote with with the way they're going to cast their vote. What would you say to voters tonight about how they should approach voting this year? Well. I would say this it's it's the most important election year ever gonNA participate in as so whether you decide to vote by mail, which is a safe and secure way to vote especially during a pandemic or whether you WanNa go into that voting booth. Is less important than the fact that you vote. We're in the extraordinary circumstance right now where the Russians don't have to make stuff up anymore because the president is making it up, just need to amplify the false statements and right now they're amplifying the president's also claims about whether we can vote safely whether we can vote accurately whether the country's capable of honest election we are we can. You must. And, we'll see our way through this but but that's what I was just. Get Out and vote make sure your voices heard the president doesn't want you to vote and neither do the Russians go ahead and prove them wrong. And a chairmanship reaction to hope picks testing positive for coronavirus. Tonight, she's been on Air Force One four flights just this week with the president. She's obviously very close to him in the course of the normal working day in the White House. And we just had Dr Jar begin this hour by saying the president should quarantine all the CDC guidelines say he's been exposed to coronavirus virus through picks he should quarantine. First of all, he should have never been put in this position. He should never put himself in this position, and if you're falling to the experts, he would maintain distancing warren masks and so would help fix. And and this is tragic. You know as the as the president's own CDC director said. The simple act of wearing a mask may be as effective as a vaccine. But what's more know beyond the responsibility of potentially rendering managed unable to do his duties because he's too sick. You have the the fact that both the President and whole picks and everyone around them is setting such a terrible example for the country. Such a mixed message where the scientists and epidemiologists is own healthcare. People are saying where Mass Iger distance and yet he and hope Hicks and others are going to these rallies where people are not wearing masks where indeed when would organizers ask people to wear a mask and a trump rally they booed? and You wonder why the virus is still raging throughout America and why we have some of the worst results in the world. So it's it's irresponsible when you're talking about the commander-in-chief to expose. The commander to that risk but also is a terrible message for the country and it's costing American lives. Chairman Adam Schiff. Thank you very much for joining us. Really appreciate. Thank you. And when we come back, the trump campaign is now fighting with the presidential debate commission about any possible change of rules like muting Donald Trump's microphone for prize winning columnist George will says, the better choice is to just cancel the rest of the so-called debates. George Wells joins US next. Late, call him, Pulitzer Prize. Winning conservative columnist George will says the remaining presidential debates should be cancelled? George will notes presidential debates test next to nothing that is Germane to the performance of presidential duties and so even without Donald Trump, the televised presidential debate is an absurdly irrelevant form of audition for the actual work of the presidency which goes on behind closed doors but donald trump enters the frame of. A presidential debates suddenly, the absurdity of the form becomes instantly apparent to everyone. George will rights the national interest actually national security demands that the other two scheduled mortification fraudulently advertised as presidential debates should be cancelled. Joining us now is George. F will hold surprise willing calmest for the Washington. Post and MSNBC political analyst George the piece about national security. What's the national security issue in cancelling the other two debates? When the United States makes itself appeared bewildered and disorderly and SETTIG. Our enemies do not just form with sympathy and empathy they respond with perhaps adventurism saying country this distracted. Is Vulnerable to any of our expansionist names that we know that Mr Putin buster, she has such aims. The trump campaign is now fighting with the presidential debate commission over the possibility of changing some rules like possibly. The microphones they are accusing the presidential debate commission of being a horribly biased against Republicans it of it is, of course, headed by a former chairman of the Republican, Party Jack Danforth former Republican senator who in my own personal experience working in the Senate there was no more honorable Republican senator I ever worked with. He's a member of that committee of that commission of, but the trump campaign doesn't trust any of them. Well, there's something risible about Dickering with rules trying to restrain Mr trump with rules as like trying to less than a locomotive with a COUPLA short of a trap door beneath his lector. I, don't see what rules are joined to do. So. Not only if we have him on the stage where we have another subtraction premark international standing. And another edition to are already ample supply of cynicism discussed. We all Kurshid with as I said in my column is you just quoted, will proceed on the false assumption that were somehow testing something that is Germane. Presidents breed briefing papers they get oral briefings, they negotiate they advertise advocate with other leaders. Their own sessions has nothing to do with standing on stage and being asked the meaning of life explained in two minutes when the Lincoln Douglas Debate it, it was something a little bit different. Whoever I that debate spoke for him our. Liberal in second spoke from our house, and then the man who led off spoke for an additional half hour to sum up, try to imagine. Members of today's class making a coherent argument about say public popular sovereignty of expansion of slavery into the territories. From our. Children. And most of our presidential campaigns have not had presidential debates. It's not an essential component of the campaign. In there for usually when when we have fun people, say will someone make a mistake? Not will someone elucidate a coherent public Ma'am but we also make a mistake of the sort traps Jerry forget when he got tangled up in his thinking and Syntax and said. London Eastern Europe are not dominated by the Soviet Union, and never will be. And people. He lost another four or five days of campaigning trying to untangle that bit of Rhetorical Misadventure. So again, what are we testing here? The idea that these people who've been in public life for a while one's been president for three and a half years but in a normal campaign. Candidates running for president have been running for several years have by the time we reach this. Campaign people have been voting and we heartily to say no more familiar with. George. Well, thank you very much for joining us again. Tonight we always appreciate. But who at the? Give. Up Next, who will be the next person on Air Force One to catch the Corona Virus Donald Trump is scheduled to fly to Wisconsin for to campaign rallies on Saturday local officials in Wisconsin. Didn't want him to come before they knew tonight's news that he has been exposed to the coronavirus through picks. That's next. Hey, it's Chris Hayes. This week on my podcast wise is happening I'll be talking with author activist feminist, Barbara Smith about black feminism from nine, hundred, seventy, seven. Till today, we have a right as black women to build our own political agendas and that an agenda that only addresses race from a male perspective our agenda that only addresses gender from white perspective that leaves us completely out and a number of us were also lesbians, and so we were crafting with issues of sexuality in. As well. So we really wanted to build a politics that embodied in reflected or experiences, and then of course, because we were socialists, we had a class analysis. So we were looking at basically race gender sexuality in class at this week on why is happening search for wise is happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe. Today Wisconsin reported its highest number of new cases of coronavirus ever with two thousand, eight, hundred, Eighty, seven, yesterday, Wisconsin broke its single day record for coronavirus deaths with twenty, seven on Saturday. Donald. Trump is planning to back to rallies in Wisconsin where he is running ten points behind Joe Biden. The Democratic Governor of Wisconsin Tony Evers said this. The president could do things. One is maybe not com. That's what number one he could not come. The second thing that could be done is for him to insist that if people are there, they wear a mask that can he could make that happen he could wear one too. But. Those are the two things that he could do to make sure that it doesn't become a super spreader. event. Journalists now is Cara provides chair of the Board of Supervisors for Rock County Wisconsin where Donald Trump plans to have a rally on Saturday. What would you like to say to the president tonight about his rally in your county on Saturday? Well. I would echo what governor ever decided in the last just played and ask that the president not. Come to fountain time new to the rising pieces that we're. Both in without in our How do you think? He'll be received in Wisconsin. Now that Wisconsin's GonNa wake up tomorrow to the news that hope Hicks has tested positive for coronavirus. She's been on Air Force One with the president four times this week she goes everywhere with the president. She's in the White House with him every day. Donald. Trump's now been exposed to the corona virus through picks and Dr She's jar began this hour by saying the president should now be quarantining. Right. So I would hope that president way back to the lead. By example we've been asking the than to the quarantine when they promised contact with those who've been a WHO tested positive for the virus and I believe as as a reader it includes the president lead by example in south orange. To not travel at this time. We also have reports that the trump group does not wear masks and they do not wear masks when they go to these rallies in that when they have these rallies, the only person who is actually in any way socially distanced at the rally as Donald. Trump himself. which he explained to a reporter in Nevada, he's up there on the stage and all those people are way out there in the audience. So he's the only one who practices any form of social distancing Do you think it in the next forty eight hours? The message will get through to even trump supporters in Wisconsin. It is dangerous to be around Donald Trump events. Yes. I would say that it's definitely one of the concerns that we had prior to finding out that this Hicks who tested positive for the corona virus. We do have some serious concerns about our citizens not. Practicing social, distancing wearing masks that the rally and then going back to the unity and spreading it to others you contact so. I can't tell you what it's going to look lake over the next. Forty. Eight hours as far as people waking up in being more concerns but I can't tell you that we're definitely concerned in that was part of our reasoning for asking presidency canceled as. A, just a politically, what can you tell us about a state where the candidate who is not having any rallies at all Joe? Biden is ten points ahead of the candidate who wants to have public rallies in Wisconsin. I think that speaks to the. Citizens of Wisconsin. In that we are taking this were trying to take it seriously were trying to each statement and protect one another owned I think that the writing by not our. Public rallies is doing what we're asking president trump lose here by an enormous rally or moving by. Car provides thank you very much for joining us tonight and I hope everyone Wisconsin stays safe this weekend. Thank you so much. Thank you up next Mike espy is on the verge of making history. Once again in that history might include winning back the United. States Senate for the Democrats Democratic Senate candidate Mike Espy who's running tied now in his race joins US next. Breaking news about covid nineteen in the trump White House donald trump has just tweeted hope Hicks has just tested positive for covid nineteen the first lady and I are awaiting a waiting for test results. In the meantime we will begin our quarantine process no word yet on what the quarantine process means for Donald Trump but this could mean the donald trump will not be endangering the lives of his Wisconsin supporters by having to rallies. Just two days from now on. Saturday in. Wisconsin. Rallies that already local officials are objecting to including the governor of Wisconsin. Donald trump saying that he and the first lady will begin our quarantine process. You heard at the beginning of this hour dr she's Jar. said that the president of the United States should now be quarantined because he has been exposed to the corona virus through through hope Hicks who's been on Air Force One four flights with the president this week and is with the president every day in the White House we'll have more on this as it develops Brian. Williams. We'll have more on this in the next hour donald trump saying that he in the first lady will begin our quarantine process want to turn now to control of the United States Senate and Mike Espy's And for a Senate seat, Mike Espy is very good at making history in one thousand, nine, hundred, sixty became the first black congressman from Mississippi. Since eighteen eighty three he went on to become the first black secretary of Agriculture and the Clinton administration station and he remains the only black secretary of agriculture. We have ever had Mike espy is now on the verge of making history once again by becoming the first black senator from Mississippi. Since eighteen eighty, one, the last time Mississippi elected a Democrat to the US Senate was in nineteen, eighty, two in March. Mike. espy's standing in the polls looked typical for Democrat running for Senate in Mississippi the incumbent Republicans Cindy Hyde Smith was at fifty four Mike Espy was at twenty eight. But since that the Republican senators polling has collapsed and Mike espy's polling has gone straight up and the race is now a tie forty, one to forty and as close followers of Senate campaigns. No. Whenever an incumbent falls below fifty percent in the polls the incumbent is in grave danger because the remaining undecided voters tend to vote for the Challenger and Mississippi the incumbent Challenger is polling at. The the incumbent is polling at forty one the challenger is polling at forty. There's Mike espy against Cindy Hyde Smith. If that's the way the polling looks going into day, you should make a very large bet on. Mike. espy making history once again, joining us now is Mississippi Democratic candidate for Senate. Mike espy. Thank you very very much for joining us tonight secretary espy what what do you think explains your rise in the polls and your opponents collapse in the polls. Well. Lawrence thank you so much for having me on. Thank you for this opportunity. I think that three reasons one now. Mississippians are just tired of being last. Of Heaven less you know just so tired of it I'm sixty six years old. And I ever since I've been. You know here in the state, we're last in education less than they have care less than job opportunity. We just we just start of it. They want someone now who's accessible available who believes in a new Mississippi of Mississippi this welcome in Mississippi that'll lead this state into the third decade of the twenty first century. The second reason is that people now looking at Sydney Smith. Lawrence she is uniquely awful not only is she gets. Affordable Care Act not only is she cut. Preexisting conditions coverage for that not only is she not do anything to stop the title of all of our rural hospitals closing. She loves Mississippi but she likes Mississippi of old. You know she she does, yes a pigeon, the glorify confederate simple. She went out to fourteen joined to the Jefferson Davis. Museum? Here in South Mississippi that's to go to the museum. Plans now that we've taken out as enemies but she went there launch, she travel little confederate hat. She, she tried on the waistcoat and of a rifle in this she said. This is the best of Mississippi's history but no, it's not. It is not I don't believe that. So they want somebody who is so modern will lead this state. Until the future, welcoming and united need. The third reason is frankly. Iran before eighteen months ago and you know that Iran, against the same uniquely. Senator. We got forty seven percent even though we only hit six months rob. Our race was the last Senate race in the United States because they had Cochran bill ill and reside. So we had to in. April. Decide Iran stand up a campaign. Staff raise the money middle message. We've got forty separate vote this Wa new we could win we have to run them to win now. You should know that here in Mississippi, we have more black voters per capita than any state in the nation. More. So we have a lot to work with from beginning to all we have to do is build a coalition. Just get out the black voters like never before if you don't know flight voters in the suburbs in the college towns of the Mississippi, Gulf coast bill that Galician. And we doing it. Yours is not the highest profile Senate race. The national media is covering. Have you have have you had trouble getting the attention and the support from the National Democratic Party for your race and Mississippi? Yes. Yes. You know it's it's like they're beginning to. Now I'm very grateful if you bet question two months ago. I would have been. I would give you a different answer but right now bear grateful they beginning to come. Now I did a call with the Tom Arrests in the National Democratic donors yesterday but this is Mississippi laws I'm used to this up. It's like catch twenty two they ignore you until you can prove your own ability it is hard to prove your own ability if they know you. So He'd Mississippi we got. All these black voters. But twitter percents them up below the poverty level. There, who thousand infrequent voters I wish I could automatically vote for me, but then grinding poverty is hard to. Pick yourself up and go vote for a candidate if you don't have any sense that that candidate. Could have an impact on your life. So that's how charge. To take our gloves masks bb and I really need help for that with your viewers to go and get those one hundred thousand voters that hadn't vote for anyone says Barack Obama two, thousand eight. They didn't vote for him at twelve. They vote for Hillary Sixteen. They did vote for me eighteen, the Democratic nominee for governor nineteen. But we know they are. We know where they are. We are their contact. I need to be able to get there. We need resources ended its can't pay please. Go to. Dot Gov. we can do this. Mike espy Democratic candidate for Senate. In Mississippi I am betting on you on election night. These poll numbers are going your way. Thank you very much for joining US tonight. 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20190605 Nicole Sandler Show - Historical Perspective with Amy Simon and Driftglass

The Nicole Sandler Show

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20190605 Nicole Sandler Show - Historical Perspective with Amy Simon and Driftglass

"The following program contains graphic material, including offensive language your this question advised. Oh, democratic form of government could exist switch dollars. London Sunday, looking out overland tonight. I'm good, like good evening from our CBS news room in New York NBC presents Chet Huntley and David Brinkley from ABC. This is world news. Tonight. Jennings in London Robinson into ago and our desk in Washington. Frank level today to this historic legislation to tell cases law eighteen. Eighteen. And when the price is free of people of a country when the breast is free. People of country are in danger of flavor EDU in fuller information and the views of people making the news Luna, coal Sandler's, y'all on the goals, and layer dot com and the progressive voices network. All right. Well in honor of it being Wednesday and looking for, you know, the, the funny to start the show today. Well, I guess, in honor of the big Royal, visit the, the Washington hillbillies visiting the Royal family in London, we give you the UK's, wonderful news presenter, Jonathan pie. Morning or not man, I hate when this happens, you know, I go through the best laid plans. And all I really really, there's no rhyme or reason is to win. It works when it doesn't work. I want to try it one more time just for the hell of it. But of course, today I didn't pull the audio over so. Well, there, there is one way can play it for you won't see Jonathan pies. Beautiful face. But but, but I'm going to try to play it for the for the benefit of the people on YouTube. Let's try one more time fingers crossed. Now now now now. Okay. Well, you know, always in the interest of doing good radio man. All right. We're gonna Jonathan pie for those who don't know who aren't familiar, you need to check him out on YouTube Jonathan pie is a, a newscaster a present or news presenter over in England. He's always doing these standups in front of Buckingham Palace. And he does the setup and the go to the videotape and Jonathan pie. Just sort of. Well, he rants a little bit to whomever might be listening arrive. But this is Donald Trump. We're talking about here and he flew into control even before FOX one touchdown. I'm here with all the latest. So even before he even landed he's called the duchess of Sussex. No stay and the mayor of London. A stone cold loser tonight's state dinner. He's expected to call the Queen of from peeled bat, the first state dinner in history with McDonald's on the menu. I love it. He's caught on tape. Cooling, Meghan Markle nasty. And then he calls it fake news, even though it's on tape that tells you, you need to know. He's either lawyer doesn't remember what he said from one day to the next. Which means he's insane either way. He's also the most powerful man on the planet. It it's like when he re tweeted Britain, I, he did it on purpose in which case he deliberately promoted fascists, who did it by accident. Which means he's a fucking idiot, and the most powerful man on the planet's. All right. He's the only president. I can remember that has an at least claimed to want to represent his entire country. His presidency only exists through the prism of division. What does Donald Trump how to do? Before we start rolling out the red carpet, take the piss out of the disabled. Brag about sexual assault undermine press free every turn described fall, right demonstrators as good people undermined NATO walls describing, a despot murderous dictator like Kim Jong UN, as a great lead to know, women reproductive rights. Payoff porn actresses for their soil to nine climate change by giving him the owner of a state visit with saying that willing to appease all this behavior and his rhetoric, if you give us a trade deal, please give us a trade deal because we need that fucking dried deal. Then we infront we're relying on exactly what people voted against in the referendum dependency on government outside the U K by leaving the EU, we was supposedly taking control. Well, we're about to hand straight back over to someone else a trade deal with this present administration involves giving up a huge amount of soft power. Okay. We're giving up e you rules which. You know, safety first and taking US rules, instead, which is kind of more, screw it, if it costs a few people's lives in a few lawsuits. It's with the risk. Brexit was sold to us as the only way to save the NHS as soon as we start getting into bed with big pharma is the end of the trust as we know it if Donald Trump is only hope post Brexit than with FOX, quite frankly. You're fucked state. Visit is ultimately an active political deployments doesn't do diplomacy. He transcends diplomacy. He doesn't possess, a single tactful anthem and diplomacy might just seem like politeness, but it matches on the world stage. It matters. It's actually what stops us from blowing each other up most of the time. Yeah, President Donald Trump a man who looks like a pickled intestine in a sync with shit head his his head. It looks like you know, one of those eggs that still go shits stuck to the kit. That's his hair. Okay. President Donald Trump. Okay. Pickled intestine in a suit. Feather egg. Okay. Okay. Well, there's no love lost between President Trump and study on the president. As he stepped how awesome is the our technical problems aside Jonathan pie. Oh so, so, so, so funny. Yeah. Here it without the, you know, the audio and the video problems in you'll even laugh more. All right. Well, my name's Nicole Sandler, and I have an admission to make ibew yesterday. I completely forgot to acknowledge sorry, who's ever calling in. Oh, you know what? Hold on. All right. Hi. Who's this? Hello. Yes, ma'am. Yes. Hi, this is Nicole is calling. This is Ryan good afternoon. Hi, what's your hear you? Loud and clear. What's up? Well, here's what I'm, I'm having my issues with as far as this whole democratic presence nomination stuff like this with Joe biding record on abortion. It's clear. He's pro. He's pro choice. He's probably from sorry. In fact, it's one of the topics I was going to get to today. If we ever get to the news today, which is Joe Biden's campaign to day confirmed that Joe Biden still backs the Hyde amendment. Now, you remember the Heideman we've had lots of debates over it. That's the measure that prohibits the use of federal funds for abortions with exceptions, for cases involving rape incest, in the life of the mother, Joe Biden has been a in favor of the Hyde amendment. Without those exceptions, Joe Biden is not pro choice. Definitely pro-life. Now my issue with Mr. by news list of Biden's going to sink that ticket, even if he gets the nomination Donald Trump's going for another reelection, 'cause this guy Donald Trump just tearing apart Trump would tear on crying. Four, I'm gonna stop you right here, only because I got a bunch of stuff. I gotta do today, or job is to make sure we nominate a good candidate and that does not include Joe Biden, or Bernie Sanders, you got it. Thank you for the call. I'm sorry. I don't I it wasn't really taking phone calls today, because I started to tell you shoot. I lost the phone number. Then I had dialed into the phone here. Hold on, while I try to multitask, something that I'm usually good at. But dialing and talking at the same time I'm not really good at. Dut da. I usually have her number programmed into my phone. So here's what happened yesterday. I had it in my notes, there was a really important anniversary that happened yesterday that I, I just sort of spaced out on, and it's on because you gotta laugh was here. And it's something that kind of involves her as well. And I don't even know if she was aware of the day, but, you know, I woke up this morning and said holy shit. How did I forget to do that? So in order to properly introduce my friend, Amy Simon. We've got to play the proper intro. It's time for Amy Simon of she's history, the most dangerous women in America, then, and now. All right. So my friend, Amy Simon you know, her you love her. If you've listened to the show for any amount of time she is the creator of the writer, the performer behind a she's history. It's a show about women are founding mothers, and Amy Simon who used to do a regular weekly slot with us for many years. She, she reminds me of, you know, red letter days, important days in history that deal with American women and Hymie Simon, how low. So yesterday, was fairly big day, and I just I totally blew it off. So let me have it. Come on. Oh my gosh. First of all, I just love you, because I was actually kinda sick yesterday, and did not remember, although I have a giant paper in my living room, outlining all the different steps to winning the vote in nineteen twenty and so when I woke up this morning, and so you're saying, oh my God. I blew it. I'm like, I can't believe you remember June fourth. So, I think I think I have met you a little bit. And you have mentored me. So, yeah. Okay. So yesterday June fourth. Absolutely nineteen nineteen June fourth nineteen nineteen one hundred years ago yesterday. What today? Yep. One hundred years ago yesterday, the nineteenth amendment was finally ratified. Then test can't. Now, I don't. Yes, you did. I have. I have it right here. Yeah. It past sixty six to thirty passed the Senate June fourth nineteen nineteen yesterday marked a hundred years at the Senate passed the nineteenth amendment on August. Eighteenth nineteen nineteen. Now it didn't officially the nineteenth amendment didn't go into effect yet for another year. But, you know, it's really interesting to way to follow the way the laws are passed it literally June. Fourth was the day that it that it was passed in the Senate, which made it not quite official, but it was going to be a law. It was signed into law, actually, it was August. Eighteenth nineteen twenty took eighteen months to officially ratified, you know, the way things moved through the congress the up, and it was August. Eighteenth nineteen twenty what happened was Tennessee became the thirty six state to ratify it. Right. That story is, is so great and you had Elaine Weiss on your show. Yes, she wrote the book the woman's hour because, you know. The battle as Bill absent with say the battle for equality. It took it took forever. The first time that the vote was put on the floor of the house was in eighteen sixty six eighteen sixty eight actually that was the first time it was put up for a vote. And it took from eighteen sixty eight to literally June fourth nineteen nineteen to get enough of the Senate to pass it to push through congress to get a signed into law. Right. And that's that's eighty Stanton. And Susan b Anthony that started it. Right. And that book the woman's hour, which I believe I sent to you actually really focuses in on the fight getting that thirty six state to, to, to, to, to. Yeah. Chosen radha. Guide rank you. And so it was the fight in Tennessee to get them to be the thirty six state to ratify it, so that the women have the right to vote. So apparently that's Lonnie made into a movie or something. Right. Okay. So it yes they will waiting on one St. and the way they organize, and I want everyone to remember what it was like back then when no cellphones are social media. I mean it was door to door stuff. It was literally. I mean, they did have telephones finally back in the early nineteen but, but mostly it was door to door and just hardcore grassroots petitioning for to get people organized. And you know back then it was still, I it's almost like it is, again, today with men thinking that women should not. You know, I'll read you something that, that stopped it from being passed earlier before nineteen nineteen. There was one of a Senator where they were, they were getting close and what he said, was his name was Senator McConnell, just some idiot, white guy in congress, who did not think women should have the right to vote. And he, he said, and he's won. And he's one of the two votes that stopped it way back then whether the child's heart pulses beneath his own breast, or throbs against her breasts motherhood demands above all, tranquility freedom from contest from excitement from the hearts burning of strife like men literally still thought just the hundred years ago that women were not. They were too fragile should be able to, to be in the public sphere women's space place was in the home, you know, Bella Abzug, she ran on a women's places in the house of representatives, which is, you know, where she ended up, but even back in Abbeville Adam stays. I mean, they were and I put all this kind of stuff in my show, because you gotta find the comedy and it's tragically funny, the kind of stuff that went on, but there were medical journals, where women's brains were literally thought to be tiny I know you show that picture is up on YouTube right now. This is a screen grab your show, she's history created that picture myself, but literally from my research that, that men and women, some fought that whim. Ines brains were too small to be able to understand anything, you know, I mean starting back in the seventeen hundreds with vindication of the rights of women, Mary Wollstonecraft, our first feminist writer, women have been fighting tooth and nail coin going to jail getting beaten. I mean this stuff women went through to win equality the right to vote. And you know, women understood that it was about being able to be part of what was the elective franchise to be able to vote and, you know, women organized for the thirteenth amendment, which which got the black freed slaves. You know, the black men free, the thirteenth amendment breeds, and it was the women. They got four hundred thousand signatures to give to Lincoln to give to the congress to, to get thirteen men amend Tasso that free the slaves, and then when the fourteenth amendment came along the women. Well Lisbeth Katie Stanton. And Susan, b Anthony. They like, okay great. You know, we did that for you awesome. Now it's turn to vote, and they actually. No, it's, it's not the it's negroes. Our? We're just gonna get the freed slaves, the right to vote and Elizabeth. And Susan went beserk and said, what are you nuts, you know, language, you know, we, we fought for you and, and split the women's movement because many of the other women that were part of this abolition movement to free the slaves. They were like you know, we're gonna wait. It's really not our turn. Let's just gets men, the Friedman and Elizabeth, you know, was taken to task she and Susan were ostracized and split the movement. And she was like, she thinks the entire African races made up entirely of males. You're not even leg. Right. What the hell and it's until nineteen twenty. I mean, it was unbelievable battle, and, and the best will not the best part, but one of the most wonderful parts, and it's in the book the, the women's our by Elaine Weiss and yes, Hillary Clinton and Steven Spielberg are teaming up to turn it into some kind of a movie or docu series or web something wonderful. And they're working on that now also as a side note, I did read that Hillary and her daughter, Chelsea, or forming a production company much like Barack and Michelle. Alabama have done and they're forming one. Also, to tell women's stories, which, you know what somebody to do. And actually, it's should be with Steven Spielberg or rob Reiner, or coalition of the biggest directors out in Hollywood. They all need to take the molar report and dramatize it break it up into three minute video clips that demonstrate all the things that Trump was guilty of that are laid out in the molar report. So people actually watch it. Yes. And I'll let you know, and the readers know that I read that actors in New York, I don't know if it's still going on. But they started to do like a continuous reading the mullahs report, all the actors a bunch of actors in New York have have gotten together and they're doing a staged reading of the report, and now they're organizing one here in Los Angeles signed up for it, but I haven't heard back yet. But yes, of course, we have to get gotta get it out. Yeah. We have what I wanted to mention because I try to find the funny feeling all these forced or that the fight. In tennessee. It was the last state, and they knew the women carry and Chad, who was a leader Alice, Paul who are they were on opposite sides, but they all got together to fight for Tennessee. And it was this one twenty four year old guy named Harry burns, who was the deciding vote, and it was his mother who sent him a telegram. This is like a famous story us crazy. Historian sent a telegram saying, don't forget to be a good boy and help MRs cat, put rat in ratification. And it was his vote that did it. You just these now right? Yes. Yeah. It's crazy. I mean, they weren't there were and I always make a point of this because they were many, many men that fought just as hard, four women men fought is hard for the women to win the right to vote as men fought against. And there were women that did not want to have equality like that they thought that they would have to serve in the war do things that they didn't want to do, so there was lots of, of, I guess, fake news back, then, you know about what it would mean for women to have, you know, equality, which, of course, we finally sim-, don't completely have John Hayman. Bring it up because I, I know what you're gonna say you're gonna bring up equal rights amendment, right? Yes. Of course, which we still don't have, and we need one more state, Toronto more young more state. Yeah. And just to, to remind how just complicated all is. You know, we, we had enough, oats, almost ratify back in nineteen seventy two we were very closely with three states way. And, and this was during Bill, absolute Gloria, Steinem. And, you know, the whole second way feminism they were, you know, out there fight. Ding equality, getting want ads in the newspaper to stop being separated by gender. I mean I could go on and on about what strides we've made just in the past fifty year, but it was a woman named Phyllis schlafly, who was brilliant, strategist brilliant, organizer and brilliant anti e r a person, and she went around the country and, you know, she stopped it. She really did. She was just like, like today's tea party or you know, the antiabortion people she was like one of those, and she was really smart and good. And on it worked. Yeah. And and we were three states away back in nineteen in the nineteen seventies. Yep. And now it's one more on a even though I talked to people all the time about it. And I'm told oh, we're still working on it. It's been sort of on the back burner. Now look, we need to replace this president. The Democrats need to take back the Senate. When those things are this needs to happen like that. And you know, it kinda sucks that I'm not seeing anybody. Even mentioning that you are a but then, again, there's a lot of issues that they're really a lot of being done that you're not hearing. And actually, the me too movement was very inspiring and, and move the needle a lot. So I'm you know, don't give up. We can't give up ever never never give up a Susan b Anthony said failure is impossible, but we can't give up. There you go. Get there. But I'm believable stuff. We're still fighting for I mean, you know the today on. Okay, we'll get there. Yeah. Thank you for jumping on. Thank you for reminding me that, that women fought for because women didn't get. They weren't given the right to vote and fought for and won the right to vote one hundred years ago. One more thing that the next year starting now and I'm planning on doing some sort of a weekly blog. If I can never figure out Instagram on the whole journey to get to August twentieth nineteen because there's a lot of action, a lot of energy now around the passage of the nineteen men we're in the year coming up to it. So you're going to be hearing more about it. Well, I'm looking forward to it. And good. We, we have that to, to look out for Amy Simon find her at she's history dot com. Learn all about her show and everything else, he's doing and some great fabulous female facts. Thank you so much. Amy happy Juna copy hundred adversary to you, you too. Thank you, buddy. Okay. Bye. All right. Today is Wednesday. We do have a guest coming up. Another guest later in the hours, somebody who was also for a longtime. He weekly regular on the program, and this is before I you know, I went off on hiatus dealt with lung cancer and came back with eight shorter version of the show. But the one and only drift glass. Yes, drift glass, who is part of the pro-left podcast, along with his lovely wife blue gal Fran. There are two of the original progressive bloggers who've been doing this, since the blog is fear was born, and they've seen a lot of changes in drift glass, still plugging away over at the drift glass blog. So we will we'll check in with him and a little bit. But I, I wanted to bring you a little bit of the news. You know what I'll probably do a save. The recorded version of what's news and run it at the end of the show and share with you. Now, the news that has broken or. That I've come across since I recorded, what's news early this morning and will start. And this part will do live. Yes, we will do a lot. And we'll start with this. It, it, it comes from a new article in Vanity Fair magazine. You know how Donald Trump always claims to support the troops. Well, this new story in Vanity Fair contains revelations both about his finances and his values Gabriel Sherman wrote, quote more than anything. It's talking about Donald Trump's pre-nup with Marla Maples. Okay. Which has I guess been made? Public. So so Gabriel Sherman writes more than anything the pre-nup shows how fiercely Trump wanted to protect the money, he did have Maples reportedly wanted twenty five million dollars, but Trump agree to, to pay her. Only one million if they separated within five years, plus another one million to buy a house. It continues Trump would also stop, making one hundred thousand dollar child support payments for Tiffany when she turned twenty one the agreement also states, the Trump's payments would cease earlier. If Tiffany got a fulltime job in listed in the military or join the peace corps. So. Legendary divorce lawyer Ralph elder weighed in on the article, and said the way it was drawn up his ironclad and shows how wary he was. He was leaving nothing to chance. But if she joined the military or the peace corps, she'd be cut off from a child support funds. Wow. Unbelievable, totally believable. But you know what? I'm saying aren't YouTube announced today that they will remove volts videos, alleging that major events like a holocaust didn't happen, as well as a broad array of content by white supremacists and others in a move to more aggressively crackdown on hate speech. All right. Well that's a good announcement. I'm glad to hear there say they're going to do the Google video side along with its Silicon Valley. Peers is starting to take a broader view of hate speech in the face of criticism that it has failed to prevent the spread of harmful videos that distort world offense hurt children or promote discriminatory ideal. Ideologies think now it would be nice if, if Facebook would follow suit, but doesn't seem that they will. Let's say the, the new hate speech policy will go further than what they've done in the past the policies will specifically ban videos, quote, alleging that group is superior in order to justify discrimination. Segregation or exclusion. Based on those categories that would include groups that glorify Nazi ideology. The company's is specified that in announcement because such beliefs were quote inherently discriminatory kind of mind boggling, that they have to state that in writing. But I'm glad that they did. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Now here's another. Okay. This administration is just doing everything in its power to take us back, a century or two along those lines, Trump's department of health and human services today, said it would immediately end a two million dollar a year contract with the university of California, San Francisco for research involving fetal tissue from elective abortions. The contract on this research was signed into thousand thirteen the department also said that based on a review it began last fall, it would discontinue all research, within the national institutes of health involving fetal tissue from elective abortions. Unbelievable. And as I was mentioning to our caller earlier on somewhat related note, the Biden campaign today confirmed that Joe Biden still backs. The Hyde amendment measure, that prohibits, the use of federal funds for abortion, with exceptions, for cases involving rape incest. And when the life of the mother is in danger, Biden is the only one of the two dozen or so people vying for the democratic nomination for president to hold this position. Now, bite in has also been consistent in his support four measures regulating a woman's body as a US Senator from Delaware, Biden voted against in nineteen seventy seven compromise that allowed Medicaid to fund abortions that included exceptions for victims of rape incest, in addition to concerns for the life of the mother now, while the rape and incest, exceptions passed in that case Biden voted in one thousand nine hundred eighty one to again, remove them. Yes, he was trying to remove the protections for victims of rape, and incest. If I posted this on social media a little while ago if you are supporting Joe Biden, then I believe, you don't know where he stands on the issues, and you need to do some homework. So keep listening to the show. I'll keep telling you watch the debates at the end of the month. Hopefully, the, the NBC channels that are, you know, putting on the first debate won't. You know run cover for him. And I have no doubt that they wouldn't. Unbelievable. One last thing. You heard about Trump's plans to sort of hijack the fourth of July festivities. You know how he went to France for steel day and wanted some kind of military parade to fed him to honor him the great leader. Well, since he couldn't get that done for. I think I wanted to do it for Veterans Day, and, you know, not only the city of DC, but the, the armed forces. Balked at the idea. Well, then he decided he was going to just take over the capital's fourth of July festivities and event that has always been nonpartisan, patriotic yes partisan. Hell. No. But today, a spokesman for the US park police confirmed that the agency has been notified that Donald Trump plans to speak at the Lincoln Memorial on the fourth of July during the celebration. It's an unprecedented event that seems likely to reshape decades old celebration that annually draws hundreds of thousands of people to the mall. The spokesman sergeant Eduardo Delgado said that the agency was still working with the White House to determine how the president's movements would affect security surrounding the event in every way shape or form the fourth of July is not about him. It's not about the office of the presidency. It's. About the United States of America. He is not the symbol of the United States. I would like to say the statue of liberty used to be, but because of his policies, it is no longer. He should not be speaking on the fourth of July. He should be hiding out like a scared dog when the fireworks go off. He should be afraid to show his face, because he should be ashamed of what a piece of shit he is. My clear enough there. All right. All right. That's my rant. I haven't even gotten into. The shit that he said in this interview with Pierce Morgan. Oh, god. You know what I'd rather talk to drift? Glad so I'll tell you what. Let's, let's do this actually, I have an intro for drift glass. I've just I've gotta find him on my in my phone thing areas. All right. So let let's play this. Here we go. Go. Bladders, you're on radio that gum go walking for golden group yard kicking off a silver dollar twins been with drift. Glad this. Oil. Stocks Thurs this is drift glass. Oh, sorry. Here's drift glass with Nicole Sandler. I cut it to the wire, but I could I could have left the the smoke and mirrors up and not let you know that as the announcer. There said, here's drift glass, is exactly what you're of class picked up the phone. Hey, you know it's just timing down to the second. It's, it's just. Yeah. Oil machine oil. Right. So what was I was just going off on the feckless piece of shit? You know, the orange resident of the White House who has decided that, you know, he's, he's taking over the fourth of July festivities as his own. Personal. Parade that he's been wanting since he got into office, and now it's just been confirmed by the park service that the White House has alerted them to the fact that the president will be speaking during this fourth of July event that they've moved to the Lincoln Memorial so he can speak on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. Well, it's only fair because that's lack lady got the stint, God bless America. So it's only fair that an oppressed minority like a rich loutish white racists, should be able to get up there and say, his piece don't you think? She had all the power Mary Henderson, it all the power in that relationship. I mean, she could pour Donald Trump, he can't get in anywhere. Nobody will don't even let him stay overnight at Buckingham Palace. Stay saul. What happened when they allowed Jared, an Vonk into one of the rooms? They, they like a ghostly. You know, my words are not coming to me today, apparition. Thank you, there. They are staring out of the windows and, you know, at the creepiest times of the year, those faces are going to be staring out at the people of London. They turned it. They made it into the overlook hotel for life. That's just that the British royals don't eat that it really really don't they have enough problems of their own. They don't need these creeps showing awful. Drift glass, can be really tacky for a moment and talk about their dress, their fashion sense. Oh. First of all, Donald Trump, your mom addresses, you funny. Who told him that looked good? Does he not have is does he not see that the, the vest is not supposed to come below the jacket and does he not realize what it buffoon? He looks like new clothes, always look perfectly. They're always wonderful. Everyone else is just jealous of the way you look. And you have a pleasant musk and your dick is five feet long hands or the size of, you know. A no. You surround yourself with, with yes-men in stooges who will tell you whatever the hell you wanna hear. That's how you end up going address in public. And then, then Ivanka looked like she got the people were telling me what it was called the annum trying to blank on it again. The, you know, the, the blink later, the, the. Yeah. Dassler god. Why do I I've a blank? I've got a block for the Basler like she had a denim dress, that they had a bedazzled party on that was the ugliest most hideous dress. I think I've ever seen in that vein. That's sell a fine product. That would attach rhinestones and what nuts Cubans are calling to your clothes. I think just went nuts with her outfit with. When you're surrounded by people who will tell you that no matter what you do, say, are no matter what she wear you look, great, and everything is brilliant, coming out of your mouth. This is how you go out in public, and Tiffany, was there not not looking great. I gotta say, she looked like her dress was made out of the drapes. They pull down out of the white, you know, other the Oval Office to put on old, you know, gold ones up, but we just learned today about the, the, the, the pre-nup that Donald had with Marla Maples. That said, if Tiffany were to get a fulltime job or join the military or the peace corps, that her hundred thousand dollar a year, child support stipend would be cut off. Yeah. Well, that's, that's. Pardon? My language. I just picture Tiffany, like leaving a little note on her plate after the state dinner saying, please let me stay here. Please don't make me feel home with those go home with them. She travels around the world with secret service protection at taxpayer expense. She's, she's the she's got the best deal of all of them, because she doesn't have to live with dump and melanoma. She just gets to travel, with secret service protection everywhere. She goes, how'd you like to have that detail. The Tiffany detail. Gotta be the trainee section. Wear red vast endured. And, you know, the report in every couple of hours. How's it going? How you doing discharge a weapon? It's okay. That's you know. Two years, plus into this madness and everything. Everything is moving at lightning speed. There's so much bullshit flying so fast. It's hard to keep track. But on the other hand, nothing there's nothing new about this and nothing has changed. This is pretty much what I think we expect it when we elected, this lunatic, not we. But when the country decided to hand the reins over this madman, or at least with a lot of help from his good friends in Russia. While else did we expect? This is what this looks like exactly. This is what these people voted for, and we have to stress, this is not half of America. It was maybe maybe a quarter most people didn't vote and, again, one of the things I love about Alexandria Cossio Cortez to totally go off in left field, is that she says we shouldn't be looking to win over Republican voters what we need to be winning over our, our non voters to get them to the polls. If the people who didn't vote would just show up. We'd be in good shape. Just a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of them. And with keeping them a home is our whole bunch of issues. But I swear to you primarily it's because they've been told one jillion times by their local newspaper by the local news, by the national news by columns in the times, Washington Post, both parties are corrupt. Both parties are bad. Both parties are awful. There's no difference between them. Everything is awful the whole systems corrupt. And if you've been told that literally millions of times over the last twenty years from every source, you can think of, and that's how you that's how you Mark yourself as a smart person in your in your whatever tribe you travel with. Yeah. Well, Steinle politics go at they're all they're all they're all budget crook. Then. Why would you go to the polls at all? Yeah. And so we have created a majority in this country who believe there is no difference at all between Elizabeth Warren. Or Bernie Sanders Donald Trump, no difference at all. There's no difference at all. And there's an and a great vexing questions. I have never gotten a good answer to from any democratic candidate is how the hell do you get into that? Because unless we had left have our own TV network, and our own publishing houses, our own newspapers at our own churches and match the Republicans point for point never gonna outshout them. We're never going to propagandize them, and we're stuck fighting a war on two fronts, where we have to fight with Republicans for being evil and we have to fight with the mainstream media for saying, but you're both evil. So why bout? About it. Yeah. It's kind of stunning that the, the amount of. The, the amount of bullshit were seeing from the, the, you know, the cable channels doing the same stuff they did in two thousand sixteen where they didn't learn a God, damn thing is just is his fucked up someone in the chat room, just at. Oh here. Brian williams. Ari and Rachel or holding left so far. No. Somebody else was talking about Brian Williams. I guess last night was all about, you know, Biden, this and bite them that and talking about the far left in the far left minutes in the far left, ad, and the socialist, and they're all my God. Shut the fuck up already. This is what none of this touches them. It doesn't it doesn't matter. How big a meteor hits this country? Brian Williams will still make what he makes home to his home and nothing will affect him. So it doesn't really matter what matters to him, is money and ratings and keeping his job, keeping sort of his hanging onto the job of an anchor somewhere by his fingernails and you do that by playing this game and chill, the people who rig this game so that Brian Williams can get away with things shit like this are have started feeling some genuine financial and personal pain for doing so this is the way it's going to be nothing is going to change nothing's going to change in the media. It doesn't matter how rotting and broken, it is they will always roll out the both sides to guys will always allow George will for God's sakes. Oh my God. George wells and your favorite drift glass. David Brooks has another book out and he's making the rounds. And can I tell you the most disconcerting thing than I read today? Is David Brooks is younger than me. See this is where chronological age doesn't work. Just doesn't work because David Brooks is an old man. And I'm I'm what I've always been. So it was an old man when it was twenty that's. Since absence striving to be an old man. Absolutely. I just it's the mentality. It's all in your, your on the attitude baby. So. But he he's doing the same shit. You know, you mentioned who did you just mentioned, which will George will. And then there's Bill Kristol and all these former crazy. Right wingers, who have one thing in common with the people at MSNBC. They don't like Donald Trump. But so they're trying to say, hey, we're all one big happy, family and one thing that you point out a lot at drift glass dot blog spot dot com, and on the professional left podcast is that that's bullshit. Yes. And it it. There are people who desperately desperately want to believe that the Republican party, isn't as psychotic as it appears to be, or if it is, then somehow it is the fault of everybody equally whatever's going wrong in this country. It that, that you, can, you can dole out the blame for it across so many domains that nobody really specifically individually to blame for anything that's that's the final defense of every coward, and every weakling every fucking George will in America, so yesterday, George Will's day before yesterday was on morning, Joe explaining that what happened to the Republican party while the rugged party has because he has a new book to, oh, everybody's got a new, I don't have one. I don't know. But I know the David Brooks is enjoying the most lavish lavishly underwritten book to rive ever seen his publishing house, or whatever's backing him as back him to go all over the planet, you'd be getting Ted. Talks where he's basically monetize ING midlife crisis. You know, I don't my wife I took up the younger woman, and now everything seems wonderful. You will you read it just for the hell of it. So you just read it now. See, I'm with you. I had an opportunity a little over a year ago, I think, to interview, Roger stone, believe it or not. And, and it's like it's like the train wreck that you can't look away from them, like, okay, I'll interview him. But I'll be damned if I'm going to read that fucking book. And so I gave it to a listener, and she read it for me. She started did a book report for me. And so that way. I just I didn't have to do it. I was proud to be able to tell Roger stone. I didn't read his book, well, and these guys are all in the business doing business. No, I've no belief at all. I have. No. I have no extra their souls. But there's no reason for me to believe that this is just not one more scam in a long history of scams that all of these guys. Guys have been pulling off to stay one step ahead of being held accountable for their actions in the last place. You go to stop be held accountable for your actions, as you go to church. Haven't save. Look, I it's been bullshitting. You taking your money lying to you in propping up the Republican party, and trashing liberals, and just generally getting everything fucking wrong for the last twenty five years. I've been on a spiritual journey, and now I'd like you to buy my book about my spiritual journey, we'll take your spiritual journey and go away. Right. Go work in the mountains with people in, in, in Apalachee who need your help. But no George will show up on morning, Joe to explain that, that he thinks that there's a lot of people in this country be receptive, the argument that the reason the right went nuts is because they bought into the progressive vision of government. The progressives. Or the reason the right went nuts. It's all liberals fault, why the right went nuts and was interviewing who's cross-examining Rick Tyler. And that's that's and you puppet, you know, he made the right choice. He backed Ted Cruz. Yes. Is so much better with the soul of the country? But it's, it's this, it's this muppet who worked for, you know, who worked for Ted Cruz clinical interviewing, George will with these obvious setup pre pre-programme softball questions. So George, how did progressivism destroy the, the righteousness of conservatism? We don't Trump has nothing to do with conservatives nothing to do with conservative. What's going on? The Republican party is not, you know, that's true. And that's one thing that these guys all say, I did hear a little bit of Bill Kristol talking about that Republicans for the rule of law video. They put out that was very good. You know, I involve with them that was good in that needs to play on a loop all the time. But when he says, Donald Trump is not conservative. He's right. Donald Trump is not conservative. I don't know what he is. He's a creature of his own making. Listen to this, what he tweeted out just a little while ago. You know, he's, he's our tweeted this out last night, he's threatening to enact to these terrorists on Mexico, which again. In you and I know their taxes on us, it's going to make the price of everything. We get go up. It's not gonna cost Mexico more. It's going to cost us more. And so somebody, I guess, Chuck Schumer floated the idea that Trump is bluffing. So Donald Trump tweets, can you imagine crying Chuck Schumer saying outlawed for all to hear that? I'm bluffing with respect to putting tariffs on necks ago. What a creep he would rather have our country fail with drugs and immigration than give Republicans the win. But he gave Mexico bad advice. No bluff. So this after of course, or maybe it was before it was before he picked a Twitter fight with Bette midler and all that. So, you know, my, my, my release these days is because I don't have the opportunity to say something to Donald Trump's face because I can't get into one of those press gaggle HS, never be allowed anyway. So occasionally, I'll take a tweet like that. And I will answer him. Like I did. Minutes ago. And I just wrote what is wrong with you have, you know class? No shame. No discernible hint of decency. Of course. Not. And you dare call others names, there are no words to describe your repugnant, vile, narcissistic, ignorant hateful spiteful, bigoted, qualities, all in one, you know, I could go on I just enough there aren't enough words to, to, to convey the disgust and the, the utter contempt and, and, and just Iki feeling. I get anytime. This man shows up on my screen or his voice flashes in the air or any get any, you know, thought of him being out there, and, and standing up to representing this country. It's vomited. I don't feel the words. I don't exist. That's why I mean that's why he is. In fact, the perfect conservative because the conservative movement is, is, is about nothing more at this point. At some point in some somebody's dorm, room in nineteen forty four it might have been different, but modern conservatism as it existed, my entire adult life has been about making people like you so angry and so pissed so sad that you that you, Colonel up and cry. Donald Trump is the perfect vehicle for that. 'cause 'cause he's you can yell at them all you want. You can spread them all you want. It doesn't affect him at all right? But nothing conservatism. I think that's just right wing asshole ary. Yes. Well, that's, that's the thing right? Because and this is I'm gonna there's a trick at the end of the sleuthing retail because. A blogger of yours who's on your show right now. Okay. Win elections and rake. In vast fortunes, the conservative brain cast has painstakingly created the perfect feeding ground for conmen and demagogues like Trump, the louder more bombastic, the better and from David Brooks in the Wall Street Journal, and meet the press and culture in the Washington free beacon, and the Breitbart collective in one way, or another virtually everyone the media makes Bank by flattering conservative meat heads and panting to their delusions. I wrote that twenty four hours after Donald Trump declared himself a candidate because I knew for a fact I know he's going to win the nomination, but I knew that the, the right the conservative movement has been spent spent the last forty years building the perfect party of chumps and suckers and bigots and morons to win elections. So all you need to do to win is learned the vocabulary and shouted louder than everyone. So you're not a conservative the con man, and he knows he's to things. He's, he's good. At his cheating lying, and ripping people off, and he's getting getting dumb people to give him money yet. And that's basically, the conservative movement, right there. That's our and, and being against abortion. Donald Trump has been out in public talking about how pro choice he is he was that way for most of his life. But now he's his con is to win over the right wing. And I believe the quote was I'm not a Republican, but there are easier because they're so stupid. He said something like that. That's a I believe about this quote, but the spirit the spirit is definitely true. And so I mean, the whole thing about him going to that church on Sunday after his Gulf game a sensibly to, you know, he was in Virginia, so to pray for the victims of the Virginia Beach massacre, regardless of the fact that this church was three hours away from Virginia Beach. Hey, didn't mention a word about Virginia Beach. He went in his Gulf, close right after leaving the golf course, and what most to watch him carefully believe is. Because Franklin Graham called four Sunday to be a day of prayer for Donald Trump. Donald Trump thought he should show up at an evangelical church to let these poor idiots souls, pray for him. Well, they do the same with Bush, right? I mean, they worship George Bush they held they'll vigils for George Bush who was a dry drunk half with lying son of a was all those things. But I believe that George Bush, whatever it means was actually a Christian. I believe Donald Trump has much Christian. His I am. But, but that's see that's not the issue. I it is for you is for me. But the issue is not for that, that ever since Reagan invited Jerry Falwell to the table, to, to become part of the movement. This I mean, the word I coined two thousand five for these people with Christ paths, they're not they're sociopaths who pretend to be Christian. Right. And there's billions of them, and they all have in common is the same thing. They haven't come with every other Republican constituency. They're stupid. They have no memory at all. They're completely brainwashed. They hate the government and whatever they said, yesterday doesn't count. Yeah. So if it didn't matter wouldn't matter if Donald Trump or performing abortions in two thousand seven doesn't got a rich. It doesn't do say, I'm against abortion. A life is sacred. Whatever the hell this guy's telling me to say, I believe blah, blah, blah praise. God, two Corinthians on your side, because that's how deeply. Deeply warped and mentally under clocking these morons go in. Here's the thing, Bill Clinton. What could quote scripture chapter and verse? And he and he did. And he was he was well-versed in his scripture, he knew he knew the stories to pull out. He was very he was skilled gift of health. Right. They hated him because he had the after his name. Yeah. Okay. Just for no other reason, other than the fact that the end of the after his name, they liked Hillary. Hillary is one of them, you know, a lot of people don't realize Jeff's, Charlotte wrote the perfect book. He's a his great author. It'd be teaches up Dartmouth. But he wrote the book, the family about that, that the, the street house. And when, when that all broke apart, a few years, it's gotta be ten years ago now, but Hillary Clinton was part of the family. She's one of them. She goes to those weird religious gatherings cheap. She's a believer. Well, she's a Methodist. I mean, she's I'm a Methodist to evangelize. It doesn't matter what you say. You believe what you actually believe what matters is you go up to Franklin Graham, kiss his ass. This is your apps club. It's literally, that's all there is to these people don't believe God, damn thing they preach. They have. No, there's this is no point in arguing with them. Because there's no there's no way you can do you know the whole shaming the hypocrites, and Pharisees from the bible thing that Jesus, did you can't hold them account anything. You'll never get within a million miles of them to say. But the bible says X and you're doing wine. How do you reconcile the two they don't bother? It's irrelevant to that. All all the arguments, you I make based on reason fact that here, here's your own words. How can you deny that you just set this, they just stare at you? Like I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. It doesn't matter. Is that it does matter just two days ago? He said, never called Megan Markle nasty and sixty million Americans believe yes. It's decide what green. It's the mall report. No -struction no collusion. That's all you need to know and the American public buys it. And that's a complete fabrication of what's in the mall report because it does outline yes collusion, but that's not the term they use and yes, lots of obstruction of Justice. That's why they need to impeach as doesn't matter might as well be Mandarin might as well. Be incense. They're never going to read it if they read it, they wouldn't believe it if tomorrow, Donald Trump got up and said that, Bob Muller, worship Satan and eats babies. They believe of. Right. Trying to fucking reason with these people, they cannot be reasoned with and, and my dear liberal friends, make themselves sick. But, but, but, but here's another piece of evidence and here's another piece of it doesn't matter. Nothing out to reach with them. There's no way to reach them. They are as far away from you and me as hamsters as flat worms. There's no point in trying to pretend that they're never gonna change. That's the thing that never ever gonna change. Right. That's just. And so now where are we? Begins at the point. Well, those people are lost reason. So now what do we do? What do we do? Do you have any answer? I don't I don't know. I think we have we have a whole bunch of, really interesting candidates simple. I have a real problem. But there's I think we have a we stop any came that who says my plan is to reach out the guys in the right, right. And I have this moment where breaks. No don't stop the guy who says, well, yeah, I support the Hyde amendment. I don't think federal funds should be used for abortion. Well, I listen to Michael Bennett. Yeah. Ezra Klein and it's like this is just he talks and self negating sentences climate radical change, our climate wants radical, this radical that, and money and politics, all stuff. I agree with. But he he's just want. Filibuster as it's the system, it's Washington politics, Ezra Klein, you could just hear him, go nuts. But how the hell you fix anything? You want to fix without acknowledging that one Bharti's out? It's frigging mind, right? We'll they are what are you gonna do? Well, we educate the American people, and we're no, no, no, no. If your business plan involves changing human nature educating bunch of people spent their entire life, staying stupid. You're going to fail. The answer is you do it. We just talked about the beginning of this dig deeper into the non voting population. Get people out who'd stat on their hands in two thousand sixteen get people out into the field that we have a we had a congressional election right here where I would knock doors for Betsy Dirksen, laundrette, who's right, then I would like, but she's further. She's further to the left and any other candidate running. So she's candidate right loss, because I believe she didn't go door knocking in rural district go out. Farmers. Not all farmers are crazy. She lost by few thousand votes. But next time, she has to go talk to farmers about terrorists, right about soybean about. Wages unions, don't you want your kids to go to a decent school? Don't you give it, Dan? But your kids water, don't you, you farmed this land for three generations. You wanna make a four. That's this is the thing that I personal, I'm personally vexed by this. There's nothing I can do about it the major liberal podcasting networks. Yes. Yes. Are entirely on the coasts, biggest New York. Yes. See DC channels. So, so a good independent voice like drift glass, or blue gal will or sampler will not be invited on these programs to talk or to have their podcast as part of their network or anything like that. It's manning because they will say mid west gotta get out there in the heartland people. Lunatics who will never vote for. Of course. I mean, talking to people who are starving, some of the come talking and see the planes, flying overhead. Oh, we're going to see two. Oh, L, O K. We're going back to okay. I guess that's how things now. And it is it is a disaster in the making because we don't talk to the people who were actually going to go out and vote who we can actually get didn't go out last time, then we're in real Trump. I hear you and some of them will and some of them won't. And we'll see how the field narrows down. And I guarantee it's going to be the ones who are going around actually talking to the people Verney Sanders, Elizabeth, Warren. Hello that are going to continue to rise in popularity. I hope and win the presidency ultimately drift glass. The time went all too quickly. I want to make sure people know they can find you your blog that, that perseveres to this day at drift glass. Dodd blog spot dot com. And of course they can hear you on the lovely. Fran on the professional left podcast at pro left pod dot com. What approaching our five hundred episode? Wow. Congratulations happy anniversary. I don't know how many I've done just keep churning them out. 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Best of The Herd: 7/28/20

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

45:50 min | 1 year ago

Best of The Herd: 7/28/20

"Hey guys I'm Jackie O'Brien Co creator of cracked dot com, and with my co-host miles gray I host the twice daily podcast. The daily Zeitgeist on the daily. Zeitgeist, we don't just tell you about the culture. We tell you what that culture says about America's psyche. We don't just tell you about the news. We tell you the historical context, and where things are headed all what having hilarious and intelligent guests from the world of. Of comedy so tune into the daily on the iheartradio APP. Apple PODCASTS, or wherever fine podcasts are given away, thanks for listening to the best of heard podcast. Be sure to catch a live every weekday from twelve to three eastern nine to noon, Pacific on Fox Sports Radio nfs one. Find your local station for her at Fox sports radio, DOT COM or stream it live every day on the iheartradio. APP by searching heard. Is the best of the herd with Colin cowherd on Fox sports radio. Here we go on a Tuesday little include. Charles, Barkley, among others live in Los Angeles. This is the her. Wherever you may be an however, you may be listening. We're on Fox sports radio and right here on F. S Lon many. Questions asked yesterday another one to ask Joy Taylor later today about deeming or not I got a lot of things enjoy Taylor. WHO GETS HER HAIRCUT? Once? Every seven years got cut ironically yesterday been tastic by. We're going on a Natural Journey Colin. And that means we're going on A. WE'RE GONNA natural during together. I'm I'm trying to get my curls back so. Straightening it for a long time. Hung thank you very young today. Thank you, so we're talking we're. We're opening the show with You have the best skin in America Union brother family. You're the family that never had a pimple. Honest to God, it's just it's discouraging to hang out with terrible. Awful. It's great to be in today, so i WanNa talk about something. We're in the media, yes. I think if you've listened to me long enough. You know that I liked business and to be in business and be successful business. You cannot be cynical. You have to be optimistic because businesses hard. And yesterday there was this thing on the media where a young sportscaster came out and said it's like the media's rooting against sports. They wanted to fail now I. Don't believe that to be true I. Don't think the media's rooting against their jobs their income. Viability I don't believe that the true, but I do think I don't have a lot of friends in the media I mean I I work with people, but not a lot of them, because they're just cynical and their negative and when I wake up in the morning, I like people who are seeking solutions problem solvers. It's a turn on for me. I don't like people who bitch about problems the media lives to write stories about problems yesterday, the marlins handful of players, a bunch of them the get covid. And literally the first stories season over. Season's over. Why do you think they expanded rosters? Why do you think folks? Why do you think baseball expanded? The rosters in the NBA expanded the rosters. Because, they know guys. We're going to get COVID and if one gets to get it three, get it forget it. Why do you think the NBA's playing in a bubble? Why do you think they're so mad at Lou Williams because nobody was seeking perfection? These leagues these commissioners. All they are as business leaders. Rob Manfred is dealing with advertisers. He's dealing with regional cable networks. He's talking to FOX ESPN and negotiating deals. He's dealing with billionaires. He's a business leader in America and the great business leaders. Seek solutions to inevitable roadblocks. You don't have perfect seasons. It's never existed. Stars get hurt. Players Grumble. Roger Goodell somebody takes a knee. And now the media's covering. If you can't handle that, don't be a commissioner. Rob. Manfred went on MLB last night, talking about the Marlins and The heat seeking misery missile I don't think the media rooting against sports, but they wake up cynical and negative. They don't appear to have any interest in solving issues, and that's really a commissioner's job. Here's Rob Manfred. I don't put this in the nightmare category. We built protocols anticipating that we would have positive tests at some point during the season. I remain optimistic that the protocols are strong enough. That it will allow us to continue to play even through an outbreak like this and complete our season. You know the the companies in the country right now. We have four or five companies in America right now, actually. Amazon Apple Microsoft and Google. Are Worth double those four companies double the Canadian economy. Those four companies. If you start looking at Amazon. I'll give you another one net flicks. Netflix has changed television I watch some Netflix last night. If you go, look at the story of Netflix. It's basically a story. How do pivot out of crap? Everything went wrong. Initially, it was DVD's. It was going to be blockbuster, and then they they credited quick star. The investors said no, and that tanked net flicks was literally pivoting out of problems in in Reed, Hastings, a brilliant guy and Jeff bezos. These are brilliant. Americans But, their whole story is problem solving their whole story is pivoting out of potential disasters. Business is not linear and commissioners are business leaders. I mean listen man basketball. They all know Adam silver's knows. Some of these guys want sex twenty two. They're going to sneak out of the bubble. They've had these conversations. Join I about these conversations or twenty four year old men. They're professional athletes. They're all amped up. They lift weights all day. The good-looking their reg. They have to have discussions about out. Want Sex. That's a real discussion. The League's of had that that MLS has had that conversation. These are grownups. This is how you talk. But this idea yesterday the marlins story comes out I thought of. This morning all I cared about was. Let's see the Phillies test because they failure bright, so the phillies played the Marlins at a bunch of Marlins. Players got it this morning. Phillies no positive tests so to me. It was like ooh. That's good news. So you can plant team with fifteen guys with it, and you may not have more than two or three positive tests. That's very if I'm if I'm the commissioner I'm like all right? We sideline them for a while MLS Nashville, DALLAS I'm going to stop the season. Football I had a discussion yesterday with a very smart person. And this person said my guess is the NFL is going to have eight to twelve games devoted canceled the preseason I said Marin join I got three months at a Tom Brady planned for the buccaneers. We'll figure it out. If you gave me four NFL Games a weekend. That's enough content. I got an eagles game. I got a niner's game. I've got a ravens game packers game. I'm good I don't feel guilty about not talking about the Jackson, bingles vine. Jimmy Baker Mayfield six times. I've got Sam Darnold Four. I think the media's. Rooting against sport. But I think the media is negative and cynical to a fault. These commissioners they've all got expanded rosters emergency plans. They knew this stuff was coming. All were doing in America. Right now is managing this pandemic. We don't solve health crises. Forty seven thousand Americans commit suicide a year. We don't solve it. We never have it's off four. You manage that it'll probably double this year because of covert. It's awful. You're never going to solve it. We don't have solved. Heart. Attacks saw something the other day seven hundred thousand Americans die every year because of heart disease. We don't solve it. You manage it. So. I just like people who are solution seekers, not problem complainers, and if you're in business if you can't pivot. If you're not prepared, you can't succeed and I think these sports will figure out ways to make it work. Maybe one won't but right now. What I see from the has been great. I'm crossing my fingers on the NBA and I think baseball will probably struggle more than any sport, but they'll figured out to. All Right? Let me shift to this. So if I said Bill Belichick to you, give me his two best qualities. I think the first thing we'd say. Prepared nobody out prepares New England. I've had buddies that play for the Patriots they're like. Do we do stuff in practice for three years? We never use it games. They're the most prepared team. Literally beat the SEAHAWKS and a super bowl mouth come butler interception Malcolm Butler says we practice that play over and over, and as soon as Russell Wilson planted his foot I knew what the play was I. Don't think all thirty two teams coach like that, so the first thing with bell check I'd say is the most prepared team in the league. Not always the most talented the second thing would ballot check I think we'd all admit he's pretty smart. Wesleyan mom spoke seven languages either smart guy. Dad was in his scouting before anybody else wasn't America. So. Prepared and smart. Let me tell you what I think. Prepared and smart people would do if Tom Brady, left my organization. I'd reboot the franchise. And try to get one of the three great quarterbacks coming out of the college draft. That seems like really good preparation wouldn't worry about this year. What do you know Patrick Chung has opted out of the season. What do you know? Dante hightower just opted out of the season multiple players opting out of the season I. Don't think Bill Belichick is announcing it. I've worked at a lot of companies. You've worked with a lot of companies. Companies don't have to announce things for it to be understood. New England's rebooting the media freaks out because they all say it's tanking. Nobody's tanking. The Miami Dolphins last year were building a culture a step back for two steps forward. Bell attack is just taking a step back. If Tom Brady was still there. Do you think everybody ops out? But New England has sent a message to its troops. A they weren't aggressive in free agency guys removing all over the league, even in their own division. They weren't aggressive number two. They let marginally expensive. Go not even guys like. Jamal Adams contract potentially. And number three is didn't appear to have a big rush to replace the greatest quarterback of all time. And when they did acquire Cam, it was on a day. That really bad news was going to be released by the NFL about the Patriots kind of you know cheating and stuff. Bella check wants wanted the three great college quarterbacks. My scouts save all three of the quarterbacks coming out next year are a prospects who of them, Trevor Lawrence, and trae Lance may be a high a prospects. And if new, England goes five and eleven or six ten. There's only about four teams left at need a quarterback they'll be. There Indianapolis will need one in the year. They're just going to be too darn good to get a top ten pick. Jacksonville is going to be bad. They'll get a quarterback new England going to be average. But this don't be naive on this bill is prepared and smart. What would be the smartest thing to do for the Patriots to prepare for the next decade? Reboot the franchise. Let some players go. That are good players, but they're marginally expensive. Let Them Go. Don't be aggressive in free agency. They don't have to announce it. It's not tanking. Miami didn't last year Miami literally took a step back to take two steps forward. We're going to let some players go. Some good players go. They wanted to accumulate draft picks. Brian Flora's new I'm not going to get fired if I'm one in fifteen I, just got the job here, not gonNA. Get fired. It was a step back for two steps. Steps forward and I also think there's a little luck involved only the Golden State Warriors in New England would be rebooting for the first time in forever in the year of pandemic in a year where you're gonNA. Have all sorts of starts and stops and difficulties just so happen. The warriors season got cancelled in a year where they had a new arena and good players. They're all hurt or left. So I think smart and preparation I don't think this is just. Totally random I think everybody in the building gets. Step back to forward. Get One of the three great quarterbacks. Be sure to catch live. Editions of the Heard Weekdays at noon eastern nine am Pacific on Fox. Sports Radio One and the iheartradio APP hey, guys. We're Jack and miles. The host of the daily is I'm also miles separately, though yeah, not both Jack and miles I just wanted to clarify that. Yes, no, I speak of myself in the third person and refer to myself as Jack. Miles. What do we do on the daily? What we do is we look at the news and we just kind of analyze it and see what is going on in America. And why are these things trending? And why is this the way things are? Yes, we'll tell you what's. What's underrated? We bust myths. We don't just tell you about the culture. We tell you what our culture means about America's psyche We don't just tell you about the news. We tell you the historical context of the news where things are headed all while having hilarious and intelligent guests from the world of comedy tune in to the daily Zeitgeist twice a day on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever podcasts or given away for free. So. This is For me, so Mike Sando at the athletic. Does this every year? He interviews fifty NFL coaches. And? They rate thirty five quarterbacks in the NFL starters and top backups, and they put him in tiers, Tier One, two three four, and I'm every year I overwhelmingly agree with it. There's a couple of couple of moves here. The tier one mahomes Russell Wilson Rogers Breezed Shawn Watson. I don't disagree I think it's missing Carson Wentz. But Carson Wentz is interior to bottom of it so I think. Carson wentz lender. Tier, two is I mostly agree with it. Brady Lamar Jackson Big Band Stafford Matt. Ryan Wednesday Dak and Philip Rivers. I'd put back in three, but too. It doesn't bother me Philip rivers. I'd absolutely put right now in tier three, not two, but again I'm not losing sleep, but tier three. Jimmy Garoppolo's in Tier three along with Ryan Tannehill. Nick foles Daniel Jones. Sam darnold Baker Mayfield cuyler Murray now come on. Kirk cousins come on. Come on now. So I'M GONNA? Give you a stats for Jimmy Garoppolo. Last year a first year we started and be toughest division and football and three coming off an ACL injury, which generally screws up guys mentally when you come off a big injury Tom Brady member off the injury. He didn't want anybody hitting his feet for a year. It kind of screws with guys when you come off a big injury this Garoppolo toughest division first year, starting off an ACL injury wins tied for first completion percentage tied for fourth passing touchdowns tied for Fifth Fourth Quarter Comebacks tied for first game, winning drives tied for fourth passer rating for eight. Well, he's. He's got Kyle Shanahan okay timeout. BREES HAS SEAN Payton. Brady had Bella check. Marino don, Shula, Jimmy Johnson. In Troy Aikman Dan fouts was great. He had air coryell Joe Montana. Had Bill Walsh find me the single hall of fame level. quarterback, WHO HAD LOUSY COACHES WARREN? Moon didn't have like elite hall of fame, level coaches, but not tire fires. That's it. Yes. He's got a good coach. All Right, so's Lamar Patrick Mahomes as Andy Reid. Russell Wilson's coach is going to be a hall of Famer. Why do people not get Jimmy Garoppolo. My guess is two things number one. The niners defense gets the headlines. This is very much Russell Wilson's first four years in the NFL. Seattle's defense got all the headlines. And therefore there's a sense that Garoppolo Russell Wilson being carried the second thing and I do think what finally got Russell Wilson the lovey deserves. You could not watch Russell Wilson play. He is the greatest playmaker in League history at the position. He's like Steve Young. On steroids like you just watch Russell, Wilson, you're just nobody can get a shot at him. And you see great plan for Great Plan for Awhile. Even his critics are like this dude, just us. He just doesn't look like everybody else Garoppolos. Problem is there's nothing to grab onto. He's not as big and strong camera Big Ben. He doesn't have mahomes, arm or Aaron Rodgers release or the escape ability of Lamar Jackson Russell, Wilson Carson Wentz. There's nothing to grab onto. There's nothing to say look that. and. Yes, Shanahan creates a great system. And yes, the niners defense is fantastic. But when you break it down and you look Garoppolos numbers folks. You've got to give him a break on missing Emmanuel. Sanders, whoever the receiver wasn't the fourth quarter, mahomes did not play well in the first three quarters of the Super, Bowl Garoppolo outplayed Patrick mahomes in the first three quarters of the Super Bowl Garoppolo may not be a tier one, but he's mid upper tier two, and there's no way he's middle. Of Tier, three be short a catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon. Eastern not am Pacific I think the clippers are gonNA roll through the. The bubble as long as they don't get hurt I. Don't think the Lou. Williams single talk about that top of the hours. That big of a deal I don't love him. Go to a strip club. Get Wings, but it's the team. All Year is Miss Multiple guys go ten deep. I think the Lakers and I've said this is. This is not gonNa Work Avery Bradley's out Rondos out. That's going to put more pressure on. Alex. Caruso who I don't know. What else Caruso isn't a big spot. You don't either Lakers don't. But I think the loser and all this for the Lakers is actually Kyle Kuzma. Because the minute avery Bradley is out Kyle Kuzma has to become the third best player, and there are nights in a season fifteen. He is, and there's nights thirty five. He's not close to it, and then there's another forty nights in the average season. You don't know what you get. All I. Know is Lebron doesn't trust Kyle Kuzma. and Ma I'll make a prediction will not be a Laker in one year, and I like him, but he needs a restart. He is bizarrely inconsistent. Yesterday. He was on twitter. Sort of making fun of people because the Lakers announced before their scrimmage with the wizards, they were not going to play a bunch of veterans in one of the reporters. Mike Trudell put Kyle Kuzma Dwight Howard, and all the veteran players and he's like Bro. I'm a kid I'm twenty five years old. No, you're a guy that played lots of years of college. Three years of the NBA and Lebron demands one thing from his teammates. You do not have to be great. Lebron's played with a lot of guys aren't great. Any likes them a lot. He loved Shane Batty. A YOU DONNAS has lost a lot of that Miami team was not delayed and Bosh. It wasn't Lebron's never demanded matthew. Della Vedova isn't great, but Lebron consistency like consistently liked how Tuffy was Khouzina problem. He is the most inconsistent Laker I've seen in half a decade. Earlier this year, there was a night in which he had twenty six points and played great the next night he had zero. Two Best Games this year. He had twenty six against Alison thirty six against Oklahoma. City, pretty good teams. He followed that with eleven against the awful. cavs in four against Awful Orlando. Lebron struggles with teammates that are inconsistent. He doesn't demand perfection. He doesn't even demand. You're great. He liked Tristan Thompson not a great player. You gotTA consistent effort. Tristen bangs on the boards. He plays hard. He's a tough guy, so I think the minute avery Bradley left the Lakers. It put enormous strain on coups Ma and he's a guy that just loses his confidence like that. He just this is just what he is, and it drives Lebron crazy, and if you watch the, Lakers play an I do you can tell Lebron never quite knows what he's getting with Kyle Kuzma so that is my concern. One more heard the heard streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio APP search her to listen live or on demand whenever you like so i. A theory, but I think what I'm about to say is obvious. I don't think commissioners root for teams to in championships but I do think if I was running illegal. If we were running a league, you'd look to you. See potential problems coming up, you try to get ahead of problems I. Don't think the NBA loved Adam. Silver said he didn't love Kevin Durant, going to the warriors, because the problem was Oh, how they're going to run through the league. And then now everybody's just GonNa join teams, and that hurts the competitive balance so i. think actually the League kind of liked Toronto winning last year. I think they'll get an liked it. It was like new fresh, and it caught everybody off guard I don't think the League wants Toronto to become the next dynasty for twenty years a Canadian team but I do think the league like that. Lebron lost to Dallas. Initially, they didn't roll off four straight. They struggled lost I lost left. I think the League loved when Lebron one in Ohio I. Think it was such a great story. Maybe my my favorite game seven ever Cleveland, beating the warriors. I like the warriors if you have. Have a heart. You had to root for Lebron Cleveland. If you have a heart and don't live in the bay area, so I do think there are times you know there. There are endings that are better for the League but I think what the League is always looking at it. Commissioner is looking at Roger Goodell Rob Manfred Adam silver is wow. This could be a potential problem. We got to find a solution for something potentially, and that's why durant golden state was a little off putting. What if what if they crush everybody for the next two years and they kind of did? That's why Toronto winning was good. It's very interesting. So Lou Williams. Leaves the bubble at the clippers of had like four guys. Leave the bubble for different reasons and I. Don't think it's a big deal. I don't love him getting chicken wings at a Strip club, or whatever did I don't love it, but in the end it's what the clippers are. The regular season. They're literally built. It looks like for the Western Conference and the files, and they've not had big deal with. So this year Kawais Miss Thirteen Games Paul. George Twenty Two patrick Beverley sixteen landry shamet seventeen. So if they win the championship. I don't think it's great messaging for the NBA. It's. Star players. Plans I plan eighty games why? Did you see how fresh Paul George Wells you fresh says. Listen. We know sports copycat leaks. NFL NBA Baseball Hockey. You can see it's like analytics. If somebody wins a certain way, everybody's like Oh yeah, TAT, confirmation, bias or recent bias. But. I mean if you start looking at the NBA The raptors, one last year and coli and twenty two games the year before Golden State, one stiffness, thirty, one Katie, fourteen, Klay, Thompson nine and Draymond twelve. Boston San Antonio you start looking at this and you wonder Nick right had a tweet the other day and he said true respect to the clippers for treating every single step of the regular season, including the restart as a totally meaningless theater in a preamble to the postseason I remain highly skeptical. I do think. If the Clippers Win I think Adam silver is sitting there, thinking just roll through this thing. I got a load management issue. We're going to have to address by the way and I think Adam. Silver is really smart. This is why. Adam Silver I. think is already thought of this of course he has. He wants to reduce the number of games even noticed that he wants to pull the game down to sixty eight because. Sixty eight feels like it's pro player eighty to be honest with you NBA travel sucks. Literally leave a game. Get on a plane fly to Cleveland. Get off the plane nine degrees van of the airport. It's a mess. I've known coaches in buddies. It's a slog. It's the worst. It's really baseball leashes stay there for four days and in football. You only travel eight road games NBA in the NBA in the winter. Turbulence Land Freezing Van Freezing Hotel in the morning. It's no good. That's why Lebron's can we stop this back to back? Thing it's like. I got some power terrible so i. do think if you add if you say. Can we go play sixty games? It's much easier to talk a guy into plan. Sixty five and go and listen to take a couple of take a couple of roads off play for the home. Fans so I think Adam. Silver is ahead of this but I. do think it's interesting. If you have look how many games the clippers have missed and nick, Reid is right. It's just a preamble. It's just theatre. Collide, Thirteen Paul George twenty-two Beverly Sixteen Landry Shamet Seventeen that is doc rivers saying, take the night off. Could be a little problem. So. Charles Barkley next hour cliff April and Mike Sando this hour. Mike standoff does this every year. He does the four tiers of quarterback tier one superstars tier two. Tier three better than average tear for not much. And Mike Sando will join us in about thirty minutes. So he asked a fifty NFL coaches head coaches, coordinators and evaluators, they rate thirty five quarterbacks, and so I don't disagree with a lot of it, but it's really funny. Carson Wentz is behind. Matt Stafford Behind Matt Ryan and just ahead of Philip, rivers in Prescott. And it gets worse in the NFL. Top One hundred list NFL DOT COM Carson Wentz does not make the top one hundred. Josh Allen Makes Tyler Nouri makes it. Some guys on this? Ryan Tannehill makes it Dak makes it. Kirk cousins makes it Carson. Wentz doesn't make. And I think a lot of this. Comes down to the Nick foles thing now let let me just give you some numbers. If you take out Carson Wentz, his rookie year enjoy as my witness I. Always think about rookie or just take the rookie year out. Lamar didn't play much mahomes take. Carson Wentz out the rookie year? What is he folks? eighty-one touchdowns twenty one picks. Ninety eight passer rating. He's a really elite quarterback. He's a tier, one guy, lower tier one tier one. But I think a lot of this. They asked executives what they thought of Carson Wentz. And they kept saying well. They won the super bowl without. Without a Nick foles and they won the Super Bowl. That Nick foles did. Super Bowl without him. This is something. That I have talked a great deal about two people in the league executives, the difference between a starting quarterback and backup is consistency. You get the same game mostly with Aaron Rodgers Russell Wilson Fourteen of the sixteen weeks. Ryan Tannehill all over the map. The elite quarterback Patrick Mahomes can have an off game, but fourteen of the sixteen weeks. Rogers Russell Breeze Brady. They kind of looked like the same cornerback and I'll give you an example of this. Nick foles is Ryan Fitzpatrick Ryan Fitzpatrick. Is Nick foles Nick foles gets home field advantage, because a Carson Wentz, and then Carson gets hurt. Nick foles goals out and the first game without Carson, Wentz Nick. Foles was great then he was awful for two weeks then he was good again that he was okay. Then he was great in the Super Bowl. But here's funny thing about Ryan Fitzpatrick. If you go take Ryan, Fitzpatrick. Who's going to start for the dolphins? If you take Ryan Fitzpatrick, five best games ever. Look at the numbers twenty touchdowns one pick. One hundred forty seven passer rating. Seventy five percent completion percentage doesn't Lose Ryan Fitzpatrick Win. He is on is filthy. He's better than homes. He's filthy when he's on. But then every third game, it is a football tragedy. That is Nick Foles, so this idea that nick? Foles won the Super Bowl. No actually go to win. Nick foles took over for once. It was classic backup. He was terrific the first week not much very good, not much against Atlanta great against. New England without Malcolm Butler in wild shootout. But it is amazing. That Carson Wentz doesn't make the top one hundred players in the league. Josh Allen does I mean come on earth players. Come on. You gotta get over this nick foles stuff. You just I mean it's it happens. It happens all the time. Mark Sanchez got to AFC championship games. If you have the right cast, you have momentum your own linus healthy. You've got a good running game. The defense is making stops. Pretend Tibo won seven straight football games. Won A playoff game against Pittsburgh Dick Lebeau legendary defensive coordinator. If, you don't think Carson. wentz is a top one hundred player in the league I I can't even help you. It's like your TV didn't work last December. Be Sure to catch live editions of the heard. Weekdays at noon eastern nine am Pacific on Fox sports radio F S One and the iheartradio APP. Hi, guys, I'm Katie Lowes, actress, mom and host of the parenting podcast Katie's crib. A show that helps women navigate the big shifts. Which motherhood can bring this season. You'll hear from resilient. Mama's like actress Gabrielle Union thought leaders like author of the New York Times. Bestseller untamed. Glenn Doyle and experts like Prenatal and postpartum clinical psychologist Dr Elizabeth Berlin. We get candid about our experiences and share resources for everything parent and Demitrio says surrogacy, divorce and blended families emotionally preparing for Postpartum Katie's crib is covering it all for dose of comfort and community with those who understand the struggles and the joys of raising tiny. Subscribe now for brand new episodes, every Thursday listen to Katie's crib, iheartradio APP or apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Charles. Barkley's a hall of Famer, Eleven, time all star, and is the rare athlete that became a hall of fame broadcaster as well as joining us. So first of all. You're a guy that's good with people. You Light Room Up. If you go to a bar, you buy the drinks and you've been stuck in your house for five months the. Brutal for you right? Brutal? No, we play golf every day and we we did cigars enter Keila. We didn't drink during the week. We did garth Tequila every weekend, every Friday and Saturday and we played golf the rest of the day's So now it's been it's been sample. These people who lost their jobs and things like that, but but me, personally a lot of golf, a lot of bad dog, but a lot of cigars all right? My stand corrected. That sounds like a good life to me. So I. It's interesting Charles if I was a commissioner. I would always be worried about an oncoming problem and I'll just throw this out to you. The clippers had four their best players. Miss Ten Games fifteen twenty twenty-five. If the Clippers win in went Paul George. Patrick Beverley Landry. Shamet all these games. If. I'm Adam silver on like wall. That, basically signifies rest up. You get judged on the play offs. Dory about the regular season I wonder if Adam silver worries about that like this clipper team has taken the regular season. It's theater. They've taken it off. Do you think he worries about that? Oh Yeah I heard you talking about that earlier. Thank. Low management could be a big problem in the NBA. Future. I know. We got a lot of issues. Going on right. Now of sports will never be the same again with pandemic. You know we got to worry about the fans. 'cause all these fans. They lost their jobs. They're never going to get their job back, so I think we gotta store trying to be a lot nicer to the fans going forward. By the way, no fans for games. Would you struggle? You're always somebody that. You were a showman. Would it be harder for you to play with nobody in the arena? No question, it's GonNa. Be Hard! That's why I think. Coaching and leadership is going to be really important. You gotTa have great leader because. These guys to you looked at this. Get some of these guys planned at two o'clock or twelve o'clock during the day. So. These guys all played their game the thirty at night, and now unless they got a coach. You can get him go on. A great leader there's to be some very interesting time for the next couple of months. You know it's interesting. Janas is a great player. Chris Middleton good player, but he's not a special player, and I've always I've been in my life I've moved around for jobs and money. I got no problem with it. Okay, you moved around. If Janas goes this year and he's great, but Middleton doesn't deliver. Any honest is looking at everybody else. Plan the finals. Would you stay in Milwaukee? Would you knowing that it's not a free agent? Market Charles? You can't get. Most guys are not going to go to Milwaukee. Would you stay there? A listen I'm biased. Jaanus to stay in. Milwaukee I think it be great for the League. It'd be great if a small market team one. We saw what was devastated when the cabin went to the warriors, and it ruined a couple of. I made them irrelevant so i. just hope he stays there listen. They got a really good chance this year. But also listen, he's a young kid. What it always makes me laugh and guys been league X. Amount of like what he don't win this year. He should leave. Listen. They're going to be a contender for the next three or four years but I don't like super teams. I think it just ruins the balance of the NBA. About when you left, you had you had a good experience in Phoenix? Not as good in Houston in Phoenix. You're a perfect fit so taking it back. You're in Philadelphia I, remember those were the years they used to call you. The round mound rebound, and you were exciting, and you take at one end of the Florida, the other then you go to Houston didn't fit as well then to Phoenix. Why did you leave money opportunity titles? Why'd you go? Well the Houston thing was. Finished just got rid of me I had nothing to do with that one. But you know I was Kinda weird to be in a situation where Jaanus in compared to myself. I I probably stayed in Philadelphia three years too long to be honest with you because we didn't have good teams, they may. We had the number one pick in a drought, and they gave it away nothing which was stupid, because I was all excited to play with Brad daugherty because I thought we would have been perfect together. They gave it away, Roy never played, and so they were making band basketball decisions, but in fairness to Milwaukee band, doing a really good job. They got the best deep mba the Lopez brothers been fantastic. They bought in blessed, so they're really trying now. Players wasting his career I think that's totally different, but the bucks. They got the best record in the NBA. Yeah. I got two questions, and I'm going to sound really dumb, but join I've talked about this. When I was twenty seven years old, you know. Listen if I was a pro athlete I'm twenty seven and you're telling me for eight weeks. I'm going to be in a bubble. Let's have a grownup conversation. Sex? I mean Charles these are pro athletes. This is an issue. Somebody's going to mess this up right some player. Oh, we're GONNA get busted. And probably a month in some Buddhist. Don't try to sneak somebody in and you know security is so tight. You know you really can't. Sneak anybody in, but somebody's GONNA. Get busted, and they got to be embarrassed and but listen. I guarantee you that. Good teams are not GonNa do it. It's to be somebody on a bad team got no test wedding I. Don't take a beat. The Lakers are the clippers condemned. abry favors. They can win this thing but I guarantee you on a couple of bottom feeders. They might try to do something stupid. Yeah. So Lou Williams. said he just went to a magic city for chicken wings. Did you buy that? Yeah I did I'm not GONNA GO CRAZY? Because I. Don't think they got dancers right now. But you know he's done a lose like one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Good Damn Wings out. Hey he got eat the balls and everything. Hey I'll tell you what the first thing I'm GonNa do what I get. To Atlanta is go and get those weeding. Out of your real. Course. I don't think the Lakers once avery Bradley checked out. I thought to myself listen. It's going to be Lebron Anthony, Davis, and you think Kyle Kuzma, star players inconsistent. I don't think the Lakers are a championship team in this bubble I don't do you. What do you got Lebron and Anthony? Davis I mean they only got to realistically. The clippers and bucks are probably the only two team in this conversation. To me, I've always said this I love Lebron everything about him, but he's GonNa. Come down after they Davis. Because you take about this. Lebron has have his hands full with Paul George Echo. Why Principally Andy? So at his age. That's a lot to ask the handle. Those two guys know about an NBA can match up with Anthony Davis to me. He's GonNa beat a guy. Who's got the dictate whether the Lakers win the championship or not? That's just my personal opinion, but like I say Lebron's are older guy. He go on to play deeper. Hang on, get no nice off of they play the clippers. They got two headed, Monster Beck and guard him. But nobody on on the clippers teams can have the afla Davis as scientists before and I'll tell you right now. If the Lakers win, the championship is going to be because Anthony Davis Yeah. Are you surprised. I loves ion I like I think he has a natural charisma. Teach it. You had it Dr. J. had it Michael had. There's not a lot of magic at it. A lot of guys are great players. They don't have it. Are You surprised? How popular is and how effective he's been? Well make a couple of reasons why number one? He seemed like a bright kid. I mean when you. He's getting some great way David Griffin and Alvin gentry. He says the right things he does the right things and man. He got a Tana talent. I've been really impressed. But how mature be is you know? He don't make mistakes with the media? He understand. That's part of the job like every time you interview I mean. He's got a smile on his face. You know Kinda. These guys realize we're in business with you guys. We invisible what you guys and y'all. I mean clearly. If you don't play great bad, we have. We have to say bad things about you well. We really want you to be successful. Because everybody's accessible everybody makes a lot of money, but I just love personality and Man. He can really. He's really explosive I. Just Hope Rica stay healthy. That's the biggest question. Yeah. You know it's an interesting time in the NBA. I got into a discussion the other day with a friend and I grew up as an NBA fan, and so did my friend. And we were talking about the NBA and I said I ninety nine percent of the guys I've ever covered in the league. No bad guys good guys I mean there's. I can't even think of a guy at the top of my head. I think baseball and football got some guys. That may not be the greatest guys I can't think of. I mean there's some quirky guys, but it's an. It's an interesting time for the NBA Lebron tends to be more politically active. Whereas Patrick Mahomes isn't whereas Russell Wilson is and we got into a discussion with a friend. I said it'll be interesting to see because the NBA's kind of really embraced a lot of social things, and in your generation I don't remember that many players being as politically or socially active am I wrong, or were you guys? Know I think this is a different time, obviously with the Internet and things like that a lot of being at changed, but I will tell you this Colin I'm these guys got to be very very careful not to piss the fans off. He had a big about someone. All these people lost their jobs. They're not going to get their job back. You know they got the worry about what's going to have what their kids, so these parents out here and he's fans. There on a tremendous amount of stress I. Mean We? We don't have zero with this pandemic. It's going to end. And I'm really concerned. We just keep beating him across the head. What all the social justice stuff there? The chance take turn us off. And that does concern me a little bit I think we've got to be very selective and pick and choose. Because, like I say man, the public is hurting right now. you if you don't have simply for these people lost their jobs and don't have any money. You need to open your eyes as a player. WHO's making millions of dollars? And I think it's. Going to be very slippery slope what he's players going forward. Yeah, so you're going to play golf today. I'M NOT GONNA play off today I'm GonNa. Take the day off I gotta get ready. Thursday is GonNa. Come here really really quickly. So. I'm Oh. Hit some balls though I promise you that go play today. 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Ep. 95: Mayor Rahm Emanuel

Chicago Stories

43:38 min | 2 years ago

Ep. 95: Mayor Rahm Emanuel

"You're listening to Chicago stories a podcast from city hall, featuring the stories of everyday Chicagoans and special guests as told to mayor Rahm Emanuel. Welcome to Chicago stories. I'm Bill Curtis. Haysom pry surprise. We're going to turn the table here on here. The mayor sick. We'll get to find that, but this will be fun because this is the final of ninety five probably ninety six episodes that that you love. This was really a good idea. What gave you the idea? It was two things at dinner, which we made minimum four nights a week is family, I would tell you know, obviously what was happening that day. And usually, I'd come up with somebody, I met that was fascinating or some story about a person and Amy because I go to sleep early stays up usually a little later and she listens to podcasts. Really? Yeah. I don't. And she would tell you this podcast, this one about this murder story except for whatever and one day, while swimming, I was saying, you know what I should share my stories with other people because I meet people, you're fortunate as a mayor you're all over the city and you meet people that other people may find his interest. As you would. So I found out that there was no other mayor doing a podcast while, and I think the mayor Perth Australia is down replicating, the ideas, that are so anyway, that became the Genesis of people, I meet through being mayor, that I think other people in Chicago love the city may find them fascinating what they're doing what they wrote the book would be fascinating. Well as a producer, you know, it's a an easy book. Let's call that the first episode of many that you will be writing. So maybe we should start at the beginning of this is your life. People will be interested in why you got into politics in the first place. And I think it was the period of the eighties, say nineteen eighty and maybe you had an idea, you know, when I was getting into broadcasting, Walter Cronkite was the king, and they say, we always wanted to be Walter grunk. Well, I never thought I could be that. But I kind of vaguely knew this was an area that wanted to pursue, but David Robinson is a name out of the past. I have to actually give credit to my mother all social activism starts in our house with my mother. She ran or was one of the originators behind core congress on racial equality here in Chicago. We went to demonstrations with her integration of beaches in housing in Chicago. One funny story, grandpa, Herman was over. I. With dinner and my mom grandfather her father had a huge argument about Wallace is nineteen sixty eight and you would think it was George wells. And I asked our dad, while they're arguing about because it was so loud, and those nothing quite Emmanuel household, they were still arguing about Henry Wallace, breaking from the party and forty eight twenty years later, but one summer, I worked on a campaign, and I got the bug as the candidates driver. Now, if you ask my high school friends, those Ron was always interested in politics. It was that moment and everything else, I'd done in college was about early childhood education. And I either founded or if found me or that was the first campaign was the excitement of driving, and the have access thing, and I never thought of into, you know, I haven't driven a car in ten years from chief Steph to mayor, ending the career, you know, it was being around politics. And there, who's at that campaign that. I figured out that I had a knack for fundraising. And I ended up postponing my senior year in college, and I stayed that semester. He ran against Paul Finley he laws. And I stayed that semester. Finish the campaign took time off after he lost, and then went back to school and finish the spring semester and then the following winter semester, I had a cousin who's writing along during the sixty eight fires on the west side, and we were trying to stay ahead of the riot as it was moving down medicine and it was so exciting. He decided to go in practically ruined his life. So that led to one of the things when I got out of college, I ended up working for citizen action, Illinois public action council. Yeah. And that led to them, working on lane Evans, race and dick Durbin. Congressional rates in each thing lead to something else. But it wasn't an immediate jump to working for the president. No. You were there with social issues. Yeah. Naturally, Illinois public action. Council was about environmental discrimination, and dumping in poor areas and expensive utility bills where people didn't feel like that. Any say through the ICC. Yeah. But then you did specialize in finance, and he moved into the DNC or and became chairman, didn't you finance gerbil BUSTER. Yeah. Well, I did it stuff with the two things I did fundraising for help, Paul Simon, and then I did fundraising help mayor Daley. I did political work helping the democratic congressional campaign committee. And then I ended up moving to Little Rock to be then governor Bill Clinton's real who's at a whopping three percent in the polls. Why would you choose that two things? Yes, the horse had two broken leg, Bill. I mean you're exempt my dad in his thick is really accident, but you need because at that point Bill, Bradley, Mario Cuomo over the. Particular heads. They were going to be every thought, maybe Bill Clinton would be vice present best. And he still had the nineteen Eighty-eight horrible convention speech and two things. One is when I was political director of the democratic congressional campaign committee, congressman Burrel Anthony, from Arkansas was the chair. So every time we went on a recruitment drive we go to art, not every time, but regularly to Arkansas, looking we would run into it. Meet this guy called governor, Bill Clinton. He came up to give a speech. Remember when Vince lane or the police into the public housing him down? He came up in support of that. And I saw him and that became the basis of a friendship relationship con- some conversation, and I thought he had the you know, I can't physically put my hand on it. But I thought he had the thing well, and I want to, and I've always wanted to work for a candidate and always wanted to go to the White House, that was a drive and decided that I didn't want to go with what the establishment Bill, Bradley. Jay Rockefeller these each. The conventional choices. So I went the unconventional route. Did he say now wrong, why don't you come along and we'll make history? He's Bill is a great idea. I love Chicago. I know you know that Hillary's from Chicago, I just love the city and I really like your pizza, too. Your. Well, you get yelled effort years in a row. Pick up on it. Did he yells? You know I've never seen him mad you shouting. Oh my God. Oh, well, you know. Yes. So the short answer is yes, but you knew it took you about six and a half years, but you finally heal, but it was just blowing off steam, he could yell at you and go red faced in the next moment. That's you said, don't play hearts. It was just he got it out of his system, and he had scream bloody murder at you. And then you're my life I've all the you gotta make me do. And then we just be over. It was just like a storm that passed. And it took me seven years to realize when I was finally done that it was just a storm. After all. I'll tell you this. When you sit in the Oval Office, and you have the president United States yelling at you. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of intimidating. You take it are there, any moments that you can pull out as lessons. I mean, God, you were there in the laws from Bill Clinton. Yeah. Hundreds, hundreds of lessons. I mean I talked about one that's applicable to when I just did the symphony he says. Yeah, produce the document. Don't want the other side produce it if you produce it every to work off of your stuff that was his little trick. And then my I tell the story, but one of my favorite, so we're negotiating trying to get NAFTA done. And Bill Clinton has John burrow, Senator out of Louisiana says, and he's and Bros. It's in the what would then be the vice president, you're next to the president. The oval he goes, John would I gotta do to get your vote man. I really need this incentive row goes, Mr President, you're not thinking by by my vote because you see it's not for sale, but you can rent it. So let's talk. The great lines of I the other thing it was a great story, we were negotiating with the Chinese or sitting across on the table in the cabinet room, and they were having a hard time to figure out how they would accept with president was talking about and Clinton went, right? Adams, it will do you sell in China and he talked him through, and they all for the first time it gives the Chinese just Renault tes. You say something they would say something, it was all prescribers like checkers and Clinton they started laughing because they and the translator translates back to the president says he says you understand Chinese politics and many of his own advisers and these, but different things and then the president the biggest thing he taught me was. I mean, it's a lesson of what I think about politics, and these are not his words, but I think these are the principles, which is you gotta be idealistic enough to know why you're doing what you're doing, and then tough enough to get it done. If you really look back at the great presidents, Roosevelt Kennedy Reagan. I think Eisenhower under appreciated in this value. Lincoln. They were idealistic. They were great visionaries, but they were also ruthless. And when they needed to get they would see it through and capacity. And that's why I mean, there are other lessons, I've saw him negotiate and stuff like that. He always reminded me never confuse the means with the ends be very flexible on the means very flexible, but never lose your nor stars of what your goals. Are you will running behind on the NAFTA vote, I believe way way behind the like so far behind? It was single digit numbers, and you need to eighteen. Well, how did you win that one? So this comes at the when Hillary had me demoted from political director to special projects, I was given NAFTA, which was at six weeks at bang loser. And it was seeing that you had to get it out of the way and Gingrich tells Clinton, we will only put our votes on four. Eighteen those are the day, Republicans were for free trait. If the Democrats would do one hundred which was called twenty votes out of the highest number you could see on the page, he purposely did it. But he said, if you don't we're not doing it. So in the Republicans were still in the minority and the Democrats were against the president. So he's first of all the first thing scheduled today's day before the president would leave for Vancouver for the APEC conference. So we made it a foreign policy thing not economics. And we said you can't embarrass the president his first trip overseas, and it was his first major trip overseas. So that backstop started to put pressure on Democrats because you cannot see if the president fails on his first foreign policy trip, you'll be undermining the president for the rest of the term so put where you scheduled the vote mattered second thing was, then figuring out which interest would work, and we then started doors agricultural interests or other things that we started. Marshall and one of these got to know about politics as momentum, you lose votes as you're failing, you gain votes as you're succeeding, the nobody goes, hey, you're losing. Let me jump on. Yeah, I want to be part of the losing. And then we started releasing names of people that would go public in the public announcement started adding its own momentum as we started to gain. I don't remember each on piece. But then I will say towards the end we had this thing called we made it, we ripped it up. It was called one eight hundred NAFTA because I have to, and it was a joke. It was we were used at the time of trading to give votes. Meaning things that all members of congress needed we were doing it. And so we put it like what those were the days that you had a catalog. So we put like little catalogues thing, and we passed it and we pass it with more votes. And I think it was ended up with a hundred plus Democrats, and we built a momentum we built a recommendation, president gave his speech, the big other issues. We didn't make it about economics. We made about national security and foreign policy. And if you go back and think about trade. I think the big mistake is you're never gonna convince people on economic convince them on self. Interest from a national security standpoint, you had to win win win interesting. I don't mean to do this eight days later, we in the melt president the best performance. He had from inaugural day in his first year was after passing. Nafta went back up to sixty four percent job approval, sixty four and we put down eight days later, we pass the Brady Bill in the Senate. And we use the in what hit Clinton also did great is, he was willing to use his political capital to spend it, and he got eight days later, he got the Brady Bill passed out of the Senate. Even though we didn't have closer if you looked at it now that would have gone down at NAFTA gone down, even though they're separate issues each vote bounces into the next vote. Yeah, that's called momentum. Yes, it seems to me that, that is a behind the scenes look at how politics should be played. It's not a game of course. But you work it. Yeah. And you work both sides, and you gather gather the plants where they're growing, I'll give you another. Ample? Totally years later Gingrich. This is the balanced budget negotiations Gingrich's now speaker, he says to President Clinton this, when we're going to double the earned income tax credit, and there was one of the principles of the president. He had that environmental protections doubling the national parks that had a, he had children's healthcare, but we also we're gonna take the earned income tax credit, you get, as you worked at basically pays you your tax. You don't pay tax income taxes up to about right now. I think it's seventy five at that point, it was fifty. We were in double anyway. So Gingrich says, I'm gonna make it look like welfare in Clinton leans, right over at them. You got to kind of have that big frame of his in the chair Gingrich's in the vice president chair, he's Newt than ain't a problem because tomorrow morning. Almost talk about these police officers, cease, nurses in these firefighters, and these teachers, and if you want to call them, more welfare recipients, go ahead. Throw me in that briar patch. And that's exactly what we did in the next day. Gingrich backed off and Gingrich told him and a lot of things that people don't know about politics is not that it's choreographed. But if you're really working respectful, even if you oppose each, there's one, we'll do to you. King said you say you do this. I just want to tell you up front, and we're gonna make it look like welfare, and you're gonna pay the price. King. Clinton looked. Right. Adamant says not a problem. Here's what I'm gonna do to you. We that morning had a police officer firefighter teacher in a nurse. The thing was, it was like a hot knife through butter to Bill Clinton, and by three o'clock, they folded, and that was up front here. Thomas crew will does Homa screw you right back. And it was over. That's how it happened that you, assume you go ahead and do your job afterwards. It's like linear cowards out on the. Yeah. Well, you make it appealing. Yes. Politics is except for today. You've got a lager ads going with congress, and how do you feel out here having gone through all that you must? Well, I think this is manifestation of bigger dysfunction, and that's is worse than we've seen. We've had partisan bickering, but not dysfunction. I gave you an example, Newt Gingrich. We ended up working out the balanced budget agreement. The big issue, one of the big lessons. I took it. I was responsible with Bruce Reid jeans. Burlington ago she children's healthcare after big healthcare fails, we got the kids whose parents work, but don't have healthcare. They weren't Medicaid. They weren't privately insured. That was the last item. We got it work too, but that was partisan bickering. And we've got a balanced budget agreement today, you have partisan bickering without any product at the and just really go. Well, there's there's, you know, I would find it hard to come to an agreement with this guy on a lot of issues. And I think that this has become more than just dysfunction. Breakdown partisanship. There's always been partisanship in politics. I ever said, oh, this is so partisan, partisans been around, since politics, this become dysfunctional. And that's a different element of it than we've ever seen is because he doesn't know what he's doing or so. So desperate, he's willing to go right to the wall. I mistake, never assume your opponents, a fool. I don't think he's a full actually think now I don't think he's intellectually inquisitive. I don't think he's smart, but he's not a fool. I remember. He's in the Oval Office, and our team is, and so I don't assume he's a fool. I think he's actually a lot of times as crazy as a FOX, and he has a incredible instinctual read on his voters six cents read of it. I don't think he's smart intellectually, I don't think he's inquisitive. I don't think he wants to learn. I think he has a incredibly short attention span, but I don't think he stupid, not exactly the attributes I would want from the other ones, I just told you I'd want out of the president. But that said he's in the Oval Office. He knows his voters, and he knows how to keep them incredibly engaged with him in-incredibly. Here's the thing about it. He ran as a change agent. He sitting at sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue, and he's still seen as a change agent, even though he's in the establishment seat pretty smart and nearly entire government can say no. And he'll say yes, and I'm going to show you, they'll believe me. Yes. And he is discredited every alternative before tater voice everyone, including, I mean, no democrat and other Republican everwood touched the national security apparatus from Abadi guy to see I a to deny, and he has put himself in the trust, and I mean, this other Russians, and he's still standing, nobody would have crossed those lines. Now, there are three separate lines. It's an it's brazen. Chicago's a political town. Everybody knows that. It's our favorite home team sports. It's, it's the conversation and actually it's a glue that holds community together. I think it's why a lot of people who move here and just visit, if you will feel that they're a part of it instantly, you know, and it's politics because the politicians are the stars. And we really don't have the big celebrities running through town politicians. So the celebrities, why, why is that could you summit up? That's interesting. I think will first of all part of it. Mayors aldermen are bigger than life personalities. I mean look back at Richard J Daley that was. I mean he was a bigger than life. Personality filled up the screen herald, a bigger than life personality. And that becomes part of the office. We have one of the unique a mayor is both the chief executive, and he's he or she is president of the city council, very rear type of authority there. The speaker of the house, meaning the city council, and the chief executive, that's a lot of authority attributed to one person which then assumes that you had to be big enough strong enough authoritative enough to fill that position. The other thing is we've had personalities and city council. And they're not just an I think herald, captured it kind of the essence, this ain't beanbag and we, you know the bulls. Playing well the Blackhawks are having an off season. Turn the channel. We'll watch sports. It's called politics. And it's it's a hard hitting game in this town, in ios, I sometimes say, we're not Phoenix, we're not to son. This is Chicago and you got to be ready for the all contact all impact sport. And it's a goes all year round and the people that have held position in history had a lot of personality. What are you wake up in the morning? Afraid of. As mayor. You will since day one, the first thing I get around five fifteen five twenty. Unfortunately, I know that I get up and it was not in means something bad is. I get what happened overnight. It's the first thing I wake up to even before seeing the papers, or read his shooting report by district in that you wake up, like you know. If it's a bad summer weekend night. It's like that's what you're afraid of. Because, you know, that's the most elemental piece. And then more particular more granular as a child, and I started. We call it a practice. Not a habit. When I was mayor elect, I visited one or two children. I wasn't mayor yet, and I thought, well, you can't do it, then and stop and I kept going, whether it's living room. I've had families here hospitals. I bring no media, and I just do mainly as a father, not as a mayor and deal you're greeted as a mayor because obviously. And it's the worst is the valley of this job. I mean, although I mean you know, the other day Nate Pendleton, Cleo Pendleton came in and gave me a gift and I asked him not to, but they did. And I've also had friendships that come out of it. But that's the part you fear most. And that's the part that, you know, you had to beaner changes when you have to talk about it even here and, you know, everybody loses somebody and has the death in the family. You have one every day. It's the deepest longest valley. Parents have asked me to speak it the funerals and I just I don't know if I could get up if God forbid, anything happened to lay a Lana Zak, I don't know how the individual parents have I think they have incredible stamina and all I can really offer is a shoulder a hug. Any individual help that they need. And also, the sense that, you know what I do think it's so unnatural for a parent to bury a child. You know, it's one thing to your parent passes away age or other illnesses associated but for child due to the harshness of our streets, so. Yeah. When we last dogs were going to hire a thousand cops put up in those areas and talked about investment mentors in investment. Is there a secret weapon of that will cure it? No. So anybody searching in the for the thing will never find it. It's too big a problem that has too many parts to it. And first of all, we try to assume all shootings, all are the same summer domestic some are about drugs market corner street and accidents. Yeah, some of about road rage so you can't kind of frame it senior league. So therefore it doesn't now there's access to guns. There's a piece of it about police and community. There's a piece about it as jobs or economic opportunity versus despair. There's a piece about it about the rest of the criminal Justice system like a fourteen year old going back on the streets after a shooting with more arrests than years. I actually consider it one of the things I wish I could have gotten to, you mentioned mentors. When I first talked about it, I talked about the role of family in faith. We don't have that conversation. It's too painful for a host reasons I may not be the right messenger. But I think faith has a major role and I think we cannot be scared of having the conversation of the importance of faith, and structuring. Our children's lives family's important economic opportunities, important jobs access to guns at, you know, I mean, I always say this people say, New York, New York has Connecticut New Jersey guns, Lawson, we have Indiana, I'll trade you Connecticut for Indiana. Does New York on Indiana. And so our police officers are taking a gun off the streets as Chicago every fifty minutes, three consecutive years, which indicate manifest that they're doing their job night. Twenty seventeen thousand eighteen and so far in twenty nineteen every year is the highest ever in gun confiscation off the. Streets each year sets a new standard a new high and their endless. So emphasis, endless right now in twenty nine thousand nine the police department is setting a record twenty five percent higher than twenty eighteen and twenty eighteen was the highest in the history of CPI, and the city of Chicago and guns taken off the streets. And there's no tonight they'll be shooting. There's no show original, if you want a Bill, if you gave me a list, and go to Indiana be back in twenty five minutes, and I have three of everything you would throw them in the trunk and you can sell them. And that is what drives me nuts. I told you about the valley, I'll give you the peak. The peak is the same thing. It's you know this week I taught a class on the west side. My eighth grade civics class at a Kip elementary. I've been Neuner all eight years. I did another one today at Skinner I did a big thing, and I see these kids all walks of life talking, they're optimistic. They're talking about what they wanna do for summer, jobs, or summer activity. And we have that I did two things with kids that are going to community college for free, one was our, you know, for the kids were star who are going on. Another is the kids from high school who earned fifteen credits. A semester of college already in high school. That was two or three kids. We're now at nearly four hundred five thousand kids in Chicago schools, take college level classes. And when we started it was three hundred. Well, and so the peak is what I'm seeing our youth accomplish. The valley is what I think of what our city has done to our youth. And so, but I am optimistic about the future of the city because I actually think we've proven to ourselves. We can handle and tackle big things. Yeah. Well, the thing that I keep you going. I experience it is that your body down by the headlines of the violence. But all it takes is to run into some of these kids straight Hayes. I mean they're stunning nets one or to be right now. I ready there's y'all Moines. Young man. The reason I was a little late for this from, after school matters goes to perspectives charters. He painted a bench for me to thank me for because every year we've added about a couple of million bucks. And I said, what are you doing next year? He's told me he was a senior. He says, well, I'm gonna go into architecture. I'm going to Cornell University came on another game on all right? Yeah. What if they get pigeonholed and, you know, down in the dumps, how do you break out of that? You know, nam drawing on my father hood, up parenting, rather. You know that famous Mark Twain, quote at twelve I concluded my father was a fool at eighteen I was shocked when he learned, it only six years. I swore I would never do. My dad did I down? So I think part of being a parent is exposing your kids, so they, you know this gets back to that's repeated this kids cannot be with the cannot see. And if you expose them to a lot, they can start to imagine what they can be. Yeah, that's true about kids if they come into downtown or they come in to other parts of the city. And when the other thing is they have to have, you know, the biggest thing what is your first job? You know, remember it? I remember my first job. All this is about giving kids, a confidence in themselves, and part of what our after school or mentoring, or summer jobs, as yet, is it about a paycheck is about experience. Yes. In the end of the day, the essence is is about their confidence in themselves. And they discovery inside. Not discovery outside, and if they get into dump for whatever when you got to be available to talk to him, but twos much mature that. They also receive not glibly but give them the confidence in themselves that they'll get themselves. Right. You're an artist you danced. And I was able to interview Ansel Adams in Yosemite alleged, yes, I'm that old abut of that is an that's a that must've been a something very special as I said, what is art because he was writing about it all the time. And he said, art is when the outside meets the inside to produce your art well in many ways, politics is that one hundred percent athletics is that we develop that we educate. But ultimately, it comes down to. You have to internalize it is that the advice you would give the kids internalize the outside. No, I here's what I say. You know, I think I'm big about this. You don't know it eighteen what you wanna do. You don't. And it's gonna come find. You don't cut yourself. You know, my daughter's do one of them, she had to pick a major. I said, well, if you don't wanna pick a major just talk, your adviser, because in many ways that exposure across a section not just topics or subjects. You're gonna find something that has that tickle that has that extra. And that's to me. Everybody calls it. Oh, something that make it a vocation. That's not just and I think we sometimes force our kids too quickly in life to do two things. One to grow up way earlier than they're morally capable. And the second thing I think, is we ask them to identify what they want to be when they grow up much earlier than we've given them a chance to explore a lot of things, and those outside things. Become something insight. There's nothing you know, something happened growing up around social activism, that triggered social activism, in a Jewish home that triggered my interest in public life and originally, because my dad was a pediatrician at thought it was going to be early childhood education. It was because of a campaign one summer as a driver, I got exposed to something, and all of a sudden all this other stuff and my background with my family came rushing forward. And it's been what's driven me from that summer job. But you see you had the tickle. Yes. That's what everybody should want and hope for be working for I feel sorry for young men who go into law because the dad got went into law. And suddenly, they realized after an eighty hour week breathing cases I don't like this. Well, I'll give you this little quote. He said it publicly. So I don't think I've exposing anything for my brother. My brother went into medicine. He. Likes the public policy of medicine. He likes medical ethics and everything everything, but practicing medicine as I said as, as good because your bedside manner stink Zeke, but that said, you know, that's you gotta let people explore little and you also gonna love fail. Hardest job as apparent let your kid fail. Take your hands off from that let him go. Can you remember the first time you met, Mr Obama? Yeah. Views as a state, Senator, I just become a congressman. The essence of greatness there. I don't know if I would say this is a great Allah, the presidency. But you knew that he was destined for something more than a state Senator that for sure. And he had Molly and I don't obviously think ambitions about thing. You've never found somebody without ambition who's made it here. That's a driving factor that lets you get through a lot of headwinds, but you knew that this, he was only in the beginning parts of what would take him to greater places. Bill Clinton was at a different point his career governor etcetera, which is a natural office Senate. I mean, Bill Barack Obama's the first president since John Kennedy that come out of the Senate. Uh-huh. Governor was the more predominant office or vice president. And so you knew when you met President Obama, he had a thing where that would go, you couldn't sit there when you first meet them and say, well, here's the first African-American that's gonna make it president. But you knew he was gonna be he was going to be a player. Yeah. Do you think Clinton and Obama were born for last office? No no on it. Yeah. I mean you got to Bill Clinton, obviously from the time, he says, ninety two in the convention when you have that famous video where he. Meets John Kennedy. And that sparked something in do I think he then started to make plan for a life in public life. Yes. Didn't he had him bishops larger than now when you think about it? Think about this. Arkansas, I ask Bill Clinton once Arkansas produced him? Fulbright. At that point, there was Senator Pryor bumpers who both had national. I said, how does state of four congressional districts, which is two million people produce people that Fulbright and Clinton that changed politics? And he goes, when we grow up in Arkansas, with one hundred families, it was still kind of he would never say his plantation politics, but they're really controlled all the economics, and if you on the other side of the tracks the only way you got on the other side was to public life, and it produced a certain amount of grit to get from one side of the tracks city. Oh side of the tracks and public life public service was the only way you can do it, and I think I wouldn't say they were destined for the Oval Office, but they were destined for greatness, then that happened to be they landed in the Oval Office. You have muddles to what you want to aspire, you have support of the community. It's they're playing field. You have the mount Rushmore of pictures hanging in your office. They get stuck to king Churchill Gundy, is it Taty? Kennedy Lincoln, Bobby Kennedy link, could you pull some genius lessons from those pharma big reader as you. So let me I'll give a couple of things. One is I do think Lincoln, greatest president, we've ever had because every time he stumbled he figured out a way. I just finished a great book about him called becoming Lincoln, and I think he understood the poetry of the presidency. He understood the raw politics of the presidency, and he had a principal, and he was able, he didn't start the war for freedom ending slavery. But in the middle of understood, it was both necessary to win it and necessary for the country's shooter that it'd be defined that way, Churchill to cheer force of will a personality and ideals. Confront Nazism, when America was still Dilling and dithering and it's an amazing story of a person who is you know he has one of my favorite quotes about jokingly coats. He says about a fellow cabinet member of the coalition labor member. He said he has, none of the vices I admire and all the virtues I detest, but he by sheer force you could argue Nali saved the world, but he could see around the corner, when you think about his speech about the iron curtain was before it really emerges, but he sees it. Bobby kennedy. I once you know, there's a great line in a book about Bobby. Kennedy is a lot more like Lyndon Johnson than anything. That's why I think there was such contempt. They had for each other. But Bobby Kennedy was an idealist wrapped in a pragmatic, cover, and John Kennedy was a pragmatic wrapped in idealist covering. And they were kind of mirror images of each other a lot of people say, oh, Bobby Kennedy emerges later. I actually think he was always there. But anyway, and then I think Gandhi, I'm fascinated with because he is an inspiration to I think one of the great leaders of our country, who was not elected. And that's Dr king and his pacifism his nonviolence taught away to confront power with something that people didn't identify with power. And that's fascinating. If you. Facility power. We've got a long time here. But I haven't talked about the thing. I think is the greatest achievement and that's your guiding this biggest building boom in Chicago history iming, their sprouting, like stocks out there, and you filled them all and river. Walk is the jewel in the crown of the millennium park. So would that be the biggest achievement tour? No. I actually I think our kids are look are wanna go through the metrics of graduation, which is seven consecutive years of record high, or whatever. But I will say this our kids, you know, you can physically see the buildings spaces that were empty like the post office coming alive will point that had nothing now has three buildings you can see the airport. You can see the river, all you can see the parks and playground Zeke the bike him running path. Those are physical. You'll never know the young man, I met that's going to Cornell. He won't be as present in our lives as the river walk. But I know the difference of graduating high school rather dropping out, and I know the difference of thinking about college than thinking. You're not worthy of it. And to me, the biggest legacy is giving our youth back there possibility in their future made a lot of tough decisions made some people angry, but you can't do big things making one hundred percent of the people happy, that said, I do believe we figured out a way to make all that greatness of growth work for more and more people than just the people that work in. Let's very good. So what would you hope the Chicagoans, remember you for? Here's what I think that I set out a goal for a city that had lost. It's swagger, because of the way to the fiscal educational all the challenges that mountain. I say this job. But, you know, when I ran a lot of people, you see, why do you even want this w became only four people applied in twenty eleven it's the same job in two thousand nineteen twenty six people apply. So that tells you that we got our game back and we got our confidence back that we can handle this, and that I when I made my pledge that we were going to do the hard things and tell you the heart truce and doing we kept our word even when I did things at great political risk, even though I do believe in the end of the right things to do. I could have avoided them and be quote unquote, better off politically, but the future of the city would not be. And I was willing to spend and be fearless and doing in my own view of this is in the end of the day. It's not about being liked. It's about beaming appreciated for that. You took the courage in a time of committee about politics to do the right things. Yeah. Congratulations. Thank you one final little game. We have a lightly round out. So I'm going to ask you a question. Then you can just make it a yes or. No. I'll give it to you or hit me. Okay. Lake or river, you flavored river. Except for one I'm biking out on my bike trip in an be the lake. For the revolt river becomes sucks cubs. Why, why are you there? Yeah. I'm in a seven blocks from there under my tenure they won. And I'm comes fan deep dish. You're thin crust. I have to be a thin me to, you know, you can call windows. Yeah. I I'm I'm saying. I think we I didn't realize until I interviewed Steve Dolinsky, how many different pizzas, we have and thick is what we're known for. But we have a lot fourteen different styles, but thin is a NOP Elise is, is my favorite twelve inch or sixteen sixteen because it's zero to hit. Yeah. Well, it's easier to hit it's easier to hit and harder to catch. And if you don't have if you don't have the girth to do it sixteen Mike hit. And Sears or Hancock. I am a handcock fan. Really? Yeah, I think it represents Chicago. Big bold strong in present. Let's right. This is one of my best interviews. I do we do favor. I want your Ansel Adams interviews. I don't know where I find it. Where do I find? No, I it's so old. Nineteen seventy two something like that. But I love that. Okay. To find the clip. Yeah. Because it was, you know, a giant, it's wasn't me. Wasn't me as Bill? First of all, I wanna thank you. I mean you have a dis- very unique and distinct voice you've brought Chicago back to Chicago. And I wanna thank you for your journalism years and continue to be involved in the city. Thank you. Wanna tell you one thing you did a good job. Oh, thank you proud of you. Thanks for hosting us. Thank you. Mayor Rahm Emanuel on the perhaps final episode of the Chicago store, and it's the big one, thanks for listening. You've been listening to Chicago stories with mayor Rahm Emanuel. This podcast is produced by grace Chung Karak, OT Anna's, Jonathan Norton, and Lalo Alfred's. 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2117 - Betraying Big Brother: The Feminist Awakening in China w/ Leta Hong Fincher

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2117 - Betraying Big Brother: The Feminist Awakening in China w/ Leta Hong Fincher

"You are listening to a free Berge of majority report with Sam cedar to support this show and get another fifty minutes. Daily program. Go to rejoice dot S M, please. Jarra de rapport with Sam see. It is Wednesday. What month are we in June twentieth, two thousand nineteen? I'm Michael Brooks on a Michael slash Sam Wednesday. This is the five time award winning majority report. We're broadcasting live steps from the industrially ravaged Guana canal in the heartland of America downtown Brooklyn USA on today's program. An interview that Sam just did with Leta Hong fincher. To train big brother, the feminist awakening in China fascinating conversation. Then, of course, we'll get to the news and the fun half, Iran's revolutionary guard has shot down a US drone as they say, after endless series of provocations, and lies by the Trump administration that their territory is there red line. Mike, palm Pompeo is trying to assert that Iran works without Qaeda smacking, the face of all -able, logic, and most, if not all of the evidence, but it does, of course, reflects, not only that the Trump administration would want to use the September eleventh, a your meth- in an invasion or an attack on Iran and also that people don't remember the lessons of history. The Al Qaeda, Saddam Hussein connection was one of the prime lies. Is of the Bush administration before the invasion of Iraq in positive news? The house advances a vote to repeal that same a, you a math under the leadership of Barbara Lee, Madero, and Venezuela have resisted US efforts at regime change and a coup, the administration apparently losing interest in one Guido. Senate confirms the judge who attacked rove e Wade and called being transgender. A delusion Deutsche Bank faces criminal investigation for money laundering lapses in a very unsurprising story. It looks like in the beginning, the third way, the Wall Street ists. They said no Sanders, no, Warren. Well, looks like they hate the old man so much that they're saying, maybe Warren, an potential reveal of some important political differences there. Joe Biden refuses to apologize for comments on segregation. Former Trump aide hope Hicks frustrates, Democrats. Limited testimony Bernie Sanders puts an innovative new worker ownership legislation and proposal back on the table. Even as the charter school industry goes to war against him. New revelations in the corrupt lava Johta revelations investigation in Brazil, the politically, imprisoned Lula day Silva, turns out, they didn't investigate a former president and Rica Cardozo because he was a strong supporter. Of lava Johta in politically aligned with them even as an academic that the targeted Emma malign to ended up committing suicide as completely cleared on all charges as Sergio Moro backed by corporations in the right in Brazil, and the United States is facing plummeting approval ratings in Brazil Hudd hires a former official at the center of a racial scandal think we're sensing the theme here, folks and speaking of racial scandals. Tucker Carlson has a really deep question that everybody that takes racism, seriously is going to have to answer sooner or later, which is how can this country be racist when Cory Booker is in the Senate? Deep. Deep deep, deep hall, this country be racist. When Frederick Douglass is giving speeches. That's a great question. Molly that Frederick, Douglass wrote a book, which is even assigned in some public schools in riddle me that. Apparently I wonder if this meant that racism was done in the seventies, when Edmund Burke represented Massachusetts, I guess, probably technically at least according to the Charles Murray's types of the world, all of the external juice had been squeezed out because in the mid nineteen sixties after slavery, and Jim crow, and housing discrimination, redlining and policing across the midwest and the northeast in addition to that you pass the Civil Rights Act. So I guess that was it by the seventies, very deep very historical way of looking at the world. Speaking of historical ways of looking at the world, Joe Biden. Has been out. Making his case for the presidency, and I and I'm still going to maintain that, while I think the last couple of weeks of men good from the profoundly necessary perspective of explaining exactly what Joe Biden's politics are the damage that he has done in decades of politics, a damaged that in the nineteen seventies saw him fighting against Ted Kennedy on behalf of monopoly corporate interests that saw saw him. In fact, led to this clip. We should always remember everybody fighting against desegregation efforts in the nineteen seventies all the way up until. Fighting against a CA covering contraception voting for the Iraq invasion. The bankruptcy Bill and that skipping literally hundreds of other things, literally as Joe Biden would say, but he's been out talking about a Senator by the name of Eastland who was an arch segregationist, and just an incredibly vicious bigot. Not an example of I worked on arms control legislation with Richard Lugar or something. This was I got in the Senate in the seventies and I- buddied up with an American apartheid, est. And, you know, I guess credit where credit is due usually, you know, and, and I think Joe Biden, of course, set some very nice personal things say about strong Thurman as an example. I think people know of strong, Thurman Jesse Helms as two of the most disgusting bigoted senators in modern American history, Senator Eastland is a little bit more Indian underground. So Joe Biden is reaching here. And this is also at the same time that Joe Biden has made at least on a couple of -cations very misleading statements about marching for civil rights. So this is who this guy is. And, you know, the more we watch here and I'm gonna keep it. You know. I'm not going to change my tune on this. I be honest about my analysis. Yes. Of course, he could be Donald Trump. But every day there is an accumulation of factors with this guy that becomes, like, are the Democrats going, the nominate once again, literally, the only person literally Joe Biden that could lose the Donald Trump because this guy is a disaster. Here he is. Maybe we'll play a guess. Actually, we'll play booker's comments second, because I think it's, it's good to actually go in this order. Cory Booker is saying Joe Biden should apologize for talking about his partnership with an arch segregationist as an example of us all being able to have a Cup of coffee together and do work. And here's Joe Biden. Just I mean he's brushing his shoulder off on Cory Booker here. Let's check it out from yesterday received from your fellow Democrats on the separation of answers, yet, who's the deal, but I was talking I could not have disagreed with Jimmy some more in the city was a segregationist Iran for those they send it because I disagree with the views of the segregations, many of the in time as lead the judiciary committee is able to have what I was talking about was the Voting Rights Act, I was able to pass the Voting Rights Act while when I was a young singer where he was still the chairman devoted against him and beat him in the Voting Rights Act. Secondly, when I was chairman of the committee, I extended the voting rights. Act for twenty five years, not five. In addition to that, I made it very clear by the end, by the last time I was on that committee, I was chairman of foreign relations, but I was a lead democrat. We extended another twenty five years. We got ninety eight out of ninety eight folks the point I'm making is, we don't have to agree, you don't have to like the people in terms of their views, but you just simply make the kiss, and you beat them you beat without changing the system. How does it feel that era democratic rivals are implicitly saying that you have issues talking about race? They know better. Are you going to apologize, like, Cory Booker has Rawls for corporate Chris called for it? He knows better Kirsch is not a resolution my body. I've been involved in civil rights, my whole career period, period, period, and counties are now as everybody in this office said when we first saw that clip. And I believe Brendan was the first one. Let's just say there's a lot of different ways of being involved in civil rights. I think Virgil Texas made the point that technically George wells was involved with Ciller a lot of people were involved. I mean Strom Thurmond was involved civil rights when he filibustered against it for over twenty four hours and Joe Biden was certainly involved in civil rights when he staked out the most reactionary northeast enclave position, you could possibly have as a nineteen seventies democrat against desegregating, schools. Also this frame, the button puts, you don't have to agree with them. Yeah. We know we don't have to agree with them, Joe. We wanna know about where you did agree with them. So when you say I disagree with him, but all sorts of thing, we'll did you agree with them about bussing as you cigarettes? Desegregating schools, did you? Yeah. Precisely and why is it that you insist? On. Touting your friendship with the guy. I mean it's not even just saying, like, hey, look, sometimes you gotta work with, really disgusting. People to get things done in the context of the Senate that see this is another thing that so mazing me Bernie Sanders works at Mike lead and the genocide in Yemen. Good for him. That's what you're supposed to do. Mike Leigh's, one of the worst people in congress, you can work with him to end the murderer of people in Yemen. Excellent Joe Biden is saying, I was buddy buddy with a segregation, like we, we socialize borderline. You never called me. Boy, he never called me boy, which I don't even know if you need to read to understand why he might not have done that Joe. And then in addition to that, we know the Joe Biden's record. In fact, was not pro civil rights in the seventy. Here's Cory Booker explaining why Biden should apologize. Are you going to apologize? You know, the vice president said, I should know better. And this is what I know as a black in America. I know the deeply harmful and hurtful usage of the word boy, and how it was used to humanize and degrade. I know that segregation segregations like two, people you were talking about through their laws, and their language, deeply wounded this nation and the present day manifestations of their work concil seen in black and Brown communities. Like the when I go home to I. I know that somebody running for president states. Somebody running to be the leader of our party should know that using the word boy in the way he did can cause hurt and pain, and we need a presidential nominee and leader of our party to be sensitive to that. And the last thing I know is, is. I know that I was raised to speak truth to power, and that I will never apologize for doing that. And vice president Biden shouldn't need this lesson. And at a time when we have from the highest offices in the land, divisiveness racial hatred, and bigotry being spewed he should have the sensitivity to know that this is a time I need to be an ally. I need to be a healer. I need to not engage in usage of words that will harm folks. And so this is deeply disappointing. We waited for him to apologize. He didn't till the next day. And whether I'm running for president or not as many people today have been on June teeth no less calling out for vice president to acknowledge that his words were harmful and hurtful. I'm just I this is very difficult because the Cory booker's totally right in the context of this clip. I will say, I much prefer the Bill de Blasio approach of yesterday to dealing with this and you know. You know, I will just say, and I know that he's doing the you know, more in sadness than anger. But look of Cory Booker freaking out about the Obama reelect campaigns Bain ads, and he seems a whole lot more upset about criticizing private equity than Joe Biden's fixation for segregation as Senator. But being that as it may he's correct. And you know, Joe Biden again, Joe Biden's also showing his entitlement here again as ever. We're going to get to this interview that Sam did. In just a moment with with Leta Hong fincher. But I gotta let you know about one of today's sponsors, whether it's muddy footprints, or a pile of dishes, after your first barbecue nothing cleans like the spring sense from Google from grove grove delivers natural brands you love, like MRs Myers. Seventh generation birds bees and grove straight to your doorstep. Everything is healthier for you and the planet. Plus, it really works. I recently loaded up on MRs Myers, dish detergent and hand, soap no other brands, I can use both in terms of because of how sensitive, my skin is, and also it smells great. It's like the office it of some type of lake. Sometimes you go into people's apartments and they've, they've done dishes, and it's it smells like some type of like like, like some type of toxic waste or like some type of chemical, things been released in the air. Mrs Meyer smell. Natural spills normal, too nice sent but it actually gets the job done. 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And then we'll come back for the fun half. We are back Sam cedar on the majority report on the phone. It is a pleasure to welcome to the program. Adjunct associate research scholar at the Weatherhead East Asian institute at Columbia University later. Hong fincher for betraying. Big brother, the feminist awakening in China laid up. Welcome to the program. Thank you so much for having me. Let's start. I mean your book starts several years ago, I guess, with the with, with what is known as the feminist five, but before we do that, let's, let's go back to nineteen forty nine briefly because theoretically a communist revolution should theoretically. Why to away, I guess, the, the patriarchy in some respects? No. Do I have that wrong and? Clearly did not happen, but, but speak to that. Sure. Well, actually, the communist party when it was originally founded in China. Nineteen twenty one did really embrace them in ISM in gender equality and the male founders of the party, including mouse's own at the time were pretty visionary. With regard to women's status in society, and, and they used gender equality is a rallying call to mobilize women to join their revolution. And so it was a really strong heart of the revolution. And it was also a big part of the early communist era after the founding of the People's Republic in nineteen forty nine so, for example, gender equality is written into the constitution of the People's Republic, and particularly in, in the nineteen fifties and sixties. All the way through the late seventies women were employed on mass. They were it was. Of course, I command economy and the communist party put women to work in cities and in the countryside. So female labor force participation was probably or almost certainly the highest in the world. I'm at the end of the seventies, you know, you had to female labor force participation rate in cities around ninety percent, which is really astronomically high, so so in that respect there, there was still a lot of gender inequality, but because it was communist because everybody was poor the gap the gender gap was not as large. But, but during that time, women, even though you know, there was this strong rhetoric a lot of propaganda about how women hold up half the sky, which is one of Mousa domes most famous sayings in spite of that rhetoric you know, there was still a lot of sexism women were responsible for the household duties, taking care of the children and taking care of the elderly on top of having to go and work, a full day in the fields or factories. And then. Wasn't until you had the onset of market reforms in the nineteen eighties. And then taking up a lot more in the nineteen nineties, and the two and the two thousand that as China became a lot, wealthier the gender inequality, particularly the gender wealth got just increase dramatically. I mean, would I can imagine what contributes to the to the wealth gap, I guess, in that in the women are still responsible for a whole host of other responsibilities outside of work, and therefore to can't participate? Is that was that what, what drove that wealth gap? I mean and, and what else I guess drove the? Why didn't economic I guess equality to the extent that it existed. Why was that? Why, why was it feels like nothing was built upon that? Like there was still sort of societal structures that, that remained in were not implicated by that a quality. Are we looking at just sort of like cultural things or what, what, what, why didn't it work the way it should have, I guess? Well, well, well, I am in part because women never had true equality even during the early communist era, when you know, the communist party itself used gender equality more a propaganda device. But that said, of course women were were taking part in the workforce. So that itself was a real, I have to say a real accomplishment of the communist party. In those early years. So that there's that legacy, very strong female labor force participation, and that work ethic, the expectation that women should be working outside the home that, that legacy is still very strong, even today. Now things today are extremely different the communist party today, actually pushing very retrograde gender norms, and saying that women should return to the home and be very dutiful wives and mothers, you know, just leave all the work to the men, and I write a lot about this in, in my book betraying big brother, and this is in a one of the main factors underlying the birth of this new feminist movement that I write about is just the, the background of increasing gender inequality. But another thing that I wrote about in my first folks. Leftover women the resurgence of gender inequality in China. I looked very closely at the privatization of housing and the creation of an enormous private real estate market went, and particularly in that transition from a planned economy to market, economy housing in the plan to Konami was allocated, by the state, so as basically, you know, an almost free benefit that everybody got. And then when the leadership decided to introduce market reforms housing reform was a huge part of that. And so as how's it became privatized, particularly in the early two thousands. Because housing really formally privatize until the late nineteen nineties. All of a sudden housing became it went from being worth almost nothing to being worse than just a few years. You know, well over the equivalent of thirty trillion US dollars, so you just just incredible dramatic and incredibly fast accumulation of wealth in the form of crop ready assets. And that's where most Chinese people put their money is in, in their homes in buying homes, instead of having them, allocated by the state, and I looked to take Uley in my first book leftover women very closely at the dynamics, agenda dynamics of purchasing housing, and it's really complicated basically money and the family tends to flow towards men as family by homes and. Whether it's parents, buying homes for their sons because they think that their son needs a home in order to attract a bride, or it's, you know, young women who were getting married, and then they're, they're handing over their life savings over to their boyfriend. You know, to buy a marital home, but then the home ends up, only having the man's name on the property deed to all sorts of regulations and changes in the law that, that effectively shut women out of, of home ownership. So women are largely missed out on what is probably one of the biggest accumulations of private property wealth in history in homework, as we as sir transitioned into your latest book, how much of, of the sort of, of an awareness of we've just been left out of what at the very least. Imagine, it's a similar dynamic in China is the greatest driver of intergenerational, wealth, and of wealth, broadly speaking, which is real estate. How much of that was implicated in the sort of growing. I guess I a movement of feminism resurgence of feminism as we get into the early. I guess teens. Well, well, actually, because it's housing so exorbitant in China relative to I mean it's even expensive. I just purely by absolute American standards, but it's particularly expensive when you look at the relatively low average incomes in China. And so it's extremely on affordable for a lot of people in China by homes, especially young people. And so that, that, that's definitely one of the grievances of, of young women that I write about. But, but for many young women they don't they don't even can't even imagine owning their own homes. And so the, the issues that concern these urban more educated women who've gone to college. Those are the women who are really. Kind of at the core of the feminist movement right now, the issues that those women are most concerned with now are things like gender discrimination in the workforce in hiring so employers. Now, it's you know, it's definitely very you know, China's economy growing and breakneck rights. And so it's a full almost full market economy. Now with their there's still a lot of state interference, but employers routinely refused to hire women, and they even routinely advertise that they're only looking for men, even though that technically illegal in China. But, but it's this kind of gender discrimination in hiring and promotion is so common. And then there's there's widespread gender discrimination in university admissions, as well. So. So a lot of women's a lot of university programs say that women have to score higher on the university entrance exams than men. In order to be admitted there. There's a huge epidemic of sexual assault and sexual harassment. So that, you know, the global metoo movement has really found a way to resonate very broadly in China, as well against all odds. I have to say, I want to just talk about that aspect of it, and then I, I want you to tell us more about the feminist five, but the 'cause there's this sort of paradox that I mean it sounds like we have. Grievances of, of women as they become, you know, sort of I'm sure they're conscious of this the entire time. But I imagine on some level the internet. Makes everyone or makes women more aware that they share these experiences that it's not a function of them in particular, that there's something systemic that's going on. But it's also the internet in China is not the internet as we know it here because it's just not that much access. Is it just a little bit goes a long way in terms of creating that? I mean, what about the internet sort of seems to have galvanized, I guess, a movement in China. Yeah. Well, this is this is what I find to be really, really fascinating. Because of course China has what they call the great firewall you had access. For example. You can't access YouTube or Google or Facebook or Twitter or Instagram. They China has its own intranet. So there. So much extensive censorship. And not only is there. Censorship, but there's also monitoring and surveillance through the internet. So the internet is really dominated by, by the state, and yet in spite of that it's also the internet and social media that has actually been pretty successful in, in getting the feminist message out. And so, so it's remarkable to me that feminist activists in China, especially since two thousand eleven or two thousand twelve in particular have been incredibly resourceful, and creative in getting around the censorship and getting their message out, and in mobilising support in spite of all of us in really aggressive interference with their communications. What is it? I think I'm sorry to interrupt. But what does that take the form of, like, is it? Are they are memes that are sort of like ironic or I mean how is that? How does that work on the internet? Like how do you get around those things or right? Well, I mean okay, just it just to getting example, but there used to be being most prominent social media platform for feminists in China used to be called feminist voices and so they would distribute feminist content or like essays art where, you know, short films videos, they were actually banned last year on the night of International Women's Day March eighth. So, but in spite of that, even though that was banned, and it was also banned on, on rebound on China's equivalent of Twitter which is way more and then. Then also banned on we chat riches. This incredibly popular group messaging app, but in spite of that individual feminists were still using individual people's accounts to, to get their message out about events that they're organizing or, or just distributing, feminist essays. And so. So one of the ways in which they were able to get around temporarily. It's always temporary getting around a censorship is with the me too hashtags so may to kind of took off in China or began to take off in January of twenty eighteen when a CHAI a Chinese graduate wrote a detailed account of how she had being abused by her. Former advisor university, and then and, and using that hashtag me to started to take off in China. And then more and more women started telling their own stories about sexual assault or sexual harassment and but then the, the me too, in China hashtag was blocked by sensors, then one feminist activists came up with the idea of using emojis for the Chinese characters me tool. All which sounds like me, too. It means rice and bunny rabbit. And so they use the emojis rather than the words. And so for a while, you know, people were using those pictures, emojis, for rice, a rice, bowl and a bunny, rabbit to signify me to so that, that not a new strategy. Really? I mean because activists have been using that kind of, you know, a creative ways like that to try to get around centers before, but this was a particular strategy to spread me to messages. I'm in the face of very aggressive. Censorship, I have to say that there was also a study done by university of Hong Kong looking at we've had in two thousand eighteen in the top ten most censored topics and me too was was one of the one of them, which is really amazing given all of the. The other extremely politically sensitive topics that are really aggressively censored like the ten AMAN massacre, for example, or Taiwan independence that it does indicate this incredible. I mean, certainly millions and millions of women and, and also men as well. Joining in and wanting to tell their stories and their experiences with sexual assault or harassment of some kind, but it's very difficult and it's becoming increasingly difficult as time goes by, but it's still amazing. I mean just a few weeks ago, another hashtag went viral about rape culture. And there were, there were just hundreds of thousands of women who were chiming in with the hashtag, not your perfect rape victim. And this had to do with one woman a. Choosing the CEO of a huge tech company in China, JD dot com of having raped her. So it's still going on. And it continues to amaze me, giving me incredibly expensive abilities of, of the censorship and security apparatus would dose about the, the, the feminist five who, who were they how did they rise to some notoriety? And what was the Chinese government reaction to them? Sure. Well, I consider the jailing of the feminists five in twenty fifteen to be a real turning point for women's rights in China prior to that time. There were a pretty small number of feminist activists. I would say, maybe about a hundred in different Chinese cities, who were holding acts of what they call to formats art on the street to raise awareness about things like sexual harassment or domestic violence, but they weren't really hustled a lot, by the police, they were they were pretty marginalized. Nobody knew they were they didn't get much media attention actually one of the actions that they held with called occupy men's toilets and twenty twelve where they took over a public toilet in Guam Joe and a public men's toilets and invited women into you with stalls to draw attention to the fact that there aren't enough toilets. They're women. So. They deliberately hose topics that they thought would not incur the wrath of, you know, China's security apparatus police, and in fact, they received some pretty positive media attention from state agencies like the people's daily at the time. So, so that was the situation in, in the beginning of twenty fifteen then a group of feminist activist decided they wanted to celebrate International Women's Day by handing out stickers about sexual harassment on subways and buses. They were going to do this on March eight on International Women's Day, but a couple of days before that the Chinese police launched a sweeping round of arrests in multiple cities and detained a lot of feminist activists. Then they ended up focusing on five young women, and they brought all the women to a detention center in Beijing. And and it looked like. These women were going to be criminally prosecuted. But then what the authorities did not on -ticipant was that there was going to be a huge amount of media attention focused on these five jailed women. And so there, there were so many news stories about it. There was a lot of diplomatic outrage. There were protests in support of the, the five women and they became known as the feminist five so they became quite famous during that time because the government was trying to wipe out the possibility of feminist movement. But the bid drastically backfired the government ended up releasing these women after just thirty seven days in detention. And, and it was only after their release, I feel that you have the beginnings of a truly powerful. Political women's rights movement. And so I tell the stories of these five women, but also a lot of other feminist activists who were who are really involved from the very beginning. And, and so their efforts the efforts of these very courageous young women really pave the way for a much broader kind of awakening among even very, you know, ordinary women even even working class women now to some extent, but, but it's mainly women who have actually gone to college or in college, and also some some, you know, older high school girls. And, and it seems to me to be a movement that is extremely difficult for the Chinese government to wipe out at this point. Because it's now more than more than five years, more than four years since the jailing of the famous five did they did the Chinese government, not. I mean obviously they. They miscalculated. But, but I would imagine that part of the intent behind jailing five women of a burgeoning movement is basically the implicit threat. I mean these five women it, it seems to me that it was obviously disaggregated enough that these five women weren't necessarily pulling all the strings as Chinese government didn't think, like if we, if we take these five players off the table, their entire, you know, sort of movement will collapse. They it seems to me that they would have thought like this. We're gonna make an example. So if anybody decides that they want to do that. So did they how did they make that kind of miscalculation because, like, what is it about the, the movement that allow them to make that miscalculation because I imagine they are well versed in stopping protest movements in this manner. Yes. Well, that's a very good question. And in fact, if you look at the whole history of social movement, since the Tiananmen uprising of nineteen eighty nine which was brutally suppressed in the June fourth massacre on ever since then the government has been able to basically wipe out any really powerful social movement by jailing a lot of its leaders. And then so, so they actually thought that it would work in this case that it would be, you know, threatening and NAS, they would be frightening enough to other young women who might want to join feminist movement, and remember at the time there, really wasn't much of a feminist movement. There weren't a huge number of very active feminist at the time that the feminist five were jailed. It wasn't on. It's that they the government really did miss. Calculate. They did not foresee that so many other women in China young women, especially women who go to college or recently, graduated just really cared, deeply about sexism and, and that and, and so so that move backfired. And I think the government recognizes that's why we haven't seen a mass roundup a mass jailing of women's rights activists since that time and one thing that is that is really different about the women's rights movement. And then that makes it very slippery very hard for the government to control this movement is that the messages of the feminist movement really resonated with many millions of young women all across China. And these are issues that affect the daily lives of millions of women. You know, because most women have actually experienced sexual harassment or sexual assault at some kind or blatant gender discrimination. Or some, you know, ha have have personally felt really aggrieved, and are really angry about sexism and in the past they tended to keep that to themselves and they were silent about it. But now there's being a critical mass of women who who see that they are not alone, but they don't you know, they're they see other women's speaking out about injustice of some kind or another related to their sex. And so some more and more ordinary women are just springing up all over the country wanting to speak out and take a stand for women's rights and demand, equality and demand. And justice. And so the, so it's very hard for the government. They can't just jail hundreds of feminist actress in wipe out this movement because it's just gotten gotten to barraged. Well, I mean, that's the thing that's sort of amazing. Because as we as we talked, there are anywhere from one to three million Muslim Uber's in, in camps in China. And so the, the capacity of the government to, to arrest that many people seems to be quite clear right into. And, and also, you know, we have the example, the Phoolan gong, which I think is probably more of, like tens of thousands and thousands. But it it seems there they, they they're up against the different a different thing here in terms of, like how broadly this permeate Chinese culture? And so with that said, what happens now I mean, if they don't have the ability to round up a million women, let's say the ability. Well, they're not doing it because they recognize it. That would backfire on that. Right. So then I can I just say, can I just address your points earlier about the, you know, the mass detention of waivers, which is I mean I clearly a huge atrocity. The thing is that it's it'd be very, very difficult to get a lot of good media coverage of that issue. And that's one big obstacle. And another. Is that because they're Wieger Muslims vary? Sadly, you know, the Hon Chinese people buying large just don't care that much, or they, or they believe that government line that these workers are not, you know, in, in concentration, camps or detention or they're not being held it incarcerated there. They are being re educated, which is the term that the Chinese government uses. So we should add heroin State Department apparently. Are, are, are in State Department? I think Mike on peyot when he goes, let me be more specific Mike, Pompeo's specifically referred to them as camp. Oh, okay. Yeah. Well, I mean, obviously language is very political, and so the kind of language that you use is really important. And so, you know, I it from the media reports and the research that has been done. It's pretty clear that these are not, you know, innocuous schools, these are these are prisons, but on fortunately, you know, there hasn't been incredibly strong condemnation of these camps for weaker xtss, from governments. I'm not even from, you know, Muslim countries, almost none of them have spoken out, except for Turkey and I as far as I know, and then and then if you're looking at the Han Chinese popular. Which is the majority of overwhelming majority of the Chinese population is hun Chinese, they are themselves. Of course, you know, indoctrinated by propaganda. They don't have access to information about the conditions for these leakers were held in these camps. And so they don't so, so this isn't something that's going to gain, a lot of traction with the majority of Hon, Chinese people. So the difference is that will with, with the feminist movement it relates to the rights of half of China's population and, and its own. So the, the nature of that, that population as well. The though, the women who tend most to most identify as Democrats are Hon Chinese themselves, who. Who are in college or have recently graduated from college or graduate school? So it's more of an urban educated on Chinese population of women. Now, these women are being coerced by the government so far through only propaganda, but the government recently got rid of its so-called one child policy and it now has adopted a two child policy, and it is strongly trying to push these educated Hon, Chinese women in into getting married and having to babies for the good of the nation. So that's another very tricky thing for the government is on the one hand, you know, it is very worried about the women's rights movement. It's trying to get rid of the movement without jailing large numbers of activists. But on the other hand, you know, it's trying to co-opt. Those women, it's trying to co-opt them and convince them to have babies. So, I think so far, the government hasn't figured out really what it should do. Because the birth rates in China have been falling really precipitously, and so more and more young women's don't want to have even one baby let alone to babies, and so that sort of again for, for them, I would imagine insofar as amid no pun intended, insofar as it's, it's much harder. Frankly, I would imagine to maintain a movement. If you've also got to take care of your two kids. Well, well, I mean I mean that's one of the reasons as well. Why by the women are increasingly standing up for their rights, because they don't want to be seen of impli reproductive tools of the government, which is what, what they are. I mean, that, that is what the government. That's how the government treats these women is just via logical vessels for the delivery of babies for, you know, China's future development and, and women don't want to be treated that way anymore. Young women don't want that for the most part so on. They've yeah. Just going to say because we're to wrap up like wh where do you think this goes? I mean, if they don't they have the capacity, but they realize that they don't have the, the, the room or the latitude or it would not be. A successful endeavoured around up half a million women, who they suspect it would be the sort of, like, you know, the leaders in the middle management, or, you know, the people who are, are, are tweeting out memes, that suggest the metoo movement or something like this, like, what where does this go? I mean if is there is, is reform inevitable, or can they sort of tread water like this? Well, it's reforming certainly not inevitable. I mean so many people thought, but after the ten AMAN massacre and the collapse of communism in the Soviet Union and across eastern Europe that communism would eventually collapse in China, and it was just a matter of time before China introduced political reforms along with economic reforms. That today we see the opposite is happening actually, there's been a huge retrenchment, huge increase in very repressive with our -tarian, ISM, with, for example, seething team, the president has abolished presidential term limits, so he, he could be ruler for life and, and things are becoming much more repressive on the ground for everybody in China for all activists. So it says overall, it's a really bleak situation for social movements with the. The notable exception of a women's rights movement, thus far, but, you know, I can't nobody can predict what's going to happen next. I mean it's possible that the government may decide. Well, you know what? Let's take that risk, let it's time that we really cracked down hard on these seminars doctorates, and, and we through a large number of them in jail that's entirely possible. It's entirely within certainly within the means of the Chinese government to do that. I, I, I don't know all I know is that, you know, it's a very volatile situation and this confrontation between an incredibly misogynistic, and creasing -ly, authoritarian communist party state on the one hand that's trying to push women Hon, Chinese women into having more babies that confrontation and then more. The on the ground more and more young women, especially women who are educated or pushing back against government interference that confrontation is going to continue for, for quite a long time. And so I don't know what the outcome is going to be the book is betraying. Big brother, the feminist awakening in China laid a Hong fincher. Thank you so much for your time today. Fascinating stuff. Thank you so much for having me. Welcome back folks really interesting interview I don't know. I'm I'm pretty concerned right now. I'm seeing reports in politico that congressional leaders have been called to the situation room. There is this drumbeat. 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The real life teachings of Ajahn Chah | Ajahn Brahmavamso

Buddhist Society of Western Australia

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The real life teachings of Ajahn Chah | Ajahn Brahmavamso

"Since Sarah's loss giving a talk here a week ago. I've been conducting marriages giving talks a bit too tight end in back. A very busy life anyone who says, oh to WANNA become have a peaceful life become a monk. Even, though I travel for matching day. Many things. Instead I was talking to one of the magazine Thailand. He said how can you do so much because to meditate so well? And it's always the case. Because of the training input is especially as monks and nuns. Redo actually learn. How five regards take this temple with me. You're not allowed to carry temple on the aircraft. Which means? Carry US burdens wisdom. Let them go in the past When I come back here aren't being tied in fact with me. Which means whatever you do. You just do this one thing at a time. You do really really well, and you don't allow these things to keep accumulating in your brain worrying about them in planning about them and doing such things. stop. Very quickly. It is true that sometimes amount of work which I, it's like. Sometimes like a big truck, one of these big road trains like incredibly powerful breaks. Even going very far, she can stop very quickly. And stuffing is important. You can't sit out for guests when you're on the move. So they have to stop to get recharge of gas the same way that we learn. tation then how to stop so you can recharge your entities, but the reason I was gone just returned to four PM. The softer news was having a meeting at the memorial service for my teacher writes in charge because. Hanging out with all your old nights is or Talking about old times since the seventies for your teacher it pullback memories of the life with amount mark like catch shot let's going to be roughly Talk, this evening about some of the wonderful is having things which met the Buddhism was taken out of the folks import into real life and it was very impressive. Have my own story authority a Buddhist when I was sixteen reading books. Across this too many tourists already had some meditation experience, but it was a real eye opener as she goes to a place where what you read in the books was actually being lived. And that made all these chiefs which here here too. So I live in vital. This a simple things like notice, kindness and compassion. Some amazing. How many Buddhists? Compassionate except in public when express to be behind themselves. They always compassionate when it comes to the temple but I don't know what they do to their partners where they get back. Before. They get back home someone in front of them, the lights and your already lost it. One of the great things which I. so those are actually people were living this. One this morning in the airport Singapore Lady Febru- Some breakfast. it's all said modesty in California built in nineteen, sixty seven. and. They said, they went to visit it, but they met somebody the of the hill there because. A somebody was scouting trekking this beautiful of California and was sick. The oldest caused, Pasta. that. Going up to the monastery to do a meditation retreats. Trying to flag them down because their child was sick a not one of the would stop. G. What's happened. Is that. Sunday this man was an article in the strikes ties with Singapore. I. Got a copy of it. He said, I know in the said. Sagan. Said if you made the on road, kid. And he said no of Murad. Give him a list. And otherwise be compassionate Sophy for kinds of payments Senate a hard and harsh, and that was one of the wonderful things which. I saw what I learned in those times. One of the. Wonderful teachings which I found, which really informed me about what? Buddhism. Really is in the training of Sahara which makes you wise born peacefully. Soon, as we come out of the room, we start crying and require the since I know that spot personal experience especially on the plane this morning coming from Singapore only babies were crying. Gee, I hadn't got my meditation together. I go crazy. became a monk about a peaceful life. Always crazy I cry far. Born peaceful and also you know when you're young, you sent born compassionate. These teams we learn and that learning doesn't stop with school. In fact, you know some of the stuff you learn at school is not going to help you toll on maybe help you get a job, help you with life but certainly, you counter places this new learn how to be peaceful. Love how to be kind. One of these stories. went to go visit some of these boxing todd. It's not just my own teacher, John, Shaw I must go and see I wanted the other great teaches. Her bore. And the one teaching which I got are you stayed with him for six days was a great teacher He once told me that when he was a very young. Like many months in the flawless of Thailand he got malaria. It was possible. The course is what you get when you a month living in the jungle. But he decided to fight his malaria in. Tough Guy Okay just the body the mind is more powerful than the body. So, when he came for the afternoon trolls amongst work she went on a walk for arms in the morning and just a little bit of choice in the monastery in the afternoon for half an hour. So when it came for the chores time even had a fever and it was really sleek. He decided no I I'm also GonNa do the choice. So he got up the at even was staggering shaking he would sweep. Sweep. Sweep. Just to show that the mind is will powerful than the body. For the teacher who? Was Man. And he called a meeting that night. To tell this cloth he's at that's not what Buddhism as. You fights these fevers. Who Investigate? You get to understand not fighting in controlling. And that was his talk which he gave that evening. Teaching what Buddhism is you don't site in control life you understand it because in the understanding of it, that's what you get your freedom from. Not. By fighting because you can't find your body. You can't. I would love to be. I. What is criticism by my setup? Monks have bob you're putting on white and I said No. I am a carbon sink. I am doing my best for global warming. Cause when you take in more carbohydrates, you are actually taking the cop from the atmosphere. Thereby York up and sake. So anyone else's Iva white remember you our global warming you're helping out will you think you should take you more competent such to get out of the atmosphere? I was. Just, talking talking with sometimes you can't control your body gets sick. It hurts. and. This is one of the great teachers which I read the books but then you see it being practiced the people living here. I'll try and look after your body. especially you can. But you know what happens. He gets older when it gets older, it gets. It gets media it's falling apart it's decaying. So we got many decaying Buddhists here the safety. Isn't it great. Big Airport discussing things. Get Away with it. The Nice thing about it is just so that it could instead of trying to instead we understand it. When we understand these things, it gives us the normal sense of freedom. Staying with. These, people that again, what you read in the post again, they were really practicing. Because they will living a simple life it was. A revelation because always say know human beings in this as we should try and have less possessions amid most simply be more peaceful than. What you really need to be happy. The need that March. We don't need that much. You made. You don't have to work so hard. Work so hard to get less stress got more time for each other. We worked so hard these days and how many people complain about stress and how many hours you have to work and how intense you have to work and hatred struggle to keep up with the latest, whatever it is and have to compete for the promotions not tell people even these. What you want a promotion for. Craze if you WANNA propose just means more stress. Not Stress. Ready. People think the promotions giving the most status is status stress. And you get a bit more money, but that's just a bribe to back you work harder. So. I say now, stop the promotions now I was very unlucky. A monk. Because I had this really nice setup because for many is I was number two months a number two Mike is really really nice. because. Someone else in front of you like on the convoy, the college takes all the wind nor the bucks and everything else. saw. Nicely. another month just arrived. Let me in it. All my plans went wrong. Vigil, plan anything in life this happens. A niece again was what we will towards. sometimes, news was true that life which I had under you staying in the ministry. and. Then he come out to say I'll send you the other part of Titan. What next week said, no housing our get packs. You. Never knew what was going to happen next. On my closer teacher did that on purpose such a key in the present moment Because all your plans, what you had to do, he just wouldn't let you get away with that. I remember one story when I was told us to some of the other monks when I was over the last couple of days ago. A good sense of what like wished of inaction truly is is one of our monks some of you may remember me visited here sometime ago mander. He was. He was in the Vietnam War and his marine, and he got shot in the back of the head and had like a depression in the back of his head. Unfortunately. After some years developed a tumor many died from it. But this was thirty five years ago. And we just started a new monastery for the Westernise Akin is very wise of our teaching, Noni, Tortoise Buddhism, and meditation. He also told US House around monasteries. By she saying his some nine Yuko off the learn how to run it by yourself next door to fixings but you learn by experience. So, one of the first six months ago to this modest rates whatnot shot. and. The southern commander he asked if he could go there was well. I remember. Legend. Cha. You go ask the teacher at John Shaw and he said, why'd you WanNa go over to that monastery foisted I, WanNa help build a new monastery said no you Concha Really wanted to go. So we asked the second time. So when I go over to this new monastery, why do WANNA guy for? So it's very simply be a very good practice for me now living in on sympathy slept on the ground. Now hot. So anything and this jungle forest. I still remember very clearly just meditating there seeing the snakes with the by very wants nights another. Just hoping that wasn't a dangerous one. I was only light to Ron Somebody. told me hundred hundred species of snake in. Nine, hundred, nine, a venomous. And the other one strangle she today. Dangerous. Just watching the by this in front of you. You're meditating there sometimes at night you'd be laying down and I just did the posture. Fortune, I never stood the actually sometimes the few. Members. Wonderful. Occasion we were doing some Chauncey. And the month is doing the chancing. It was another on the might sitting next to me. You saw snake come off the back. But all the way back. When he cut the snake got up to hear this night stand out among concerned about. Members one of our wonderful memories I have and the to the snake in about eyeballing each other. Just gently pushes down on the nights that the right because this with Freddie, there were put his nights in China. Respectful mocks. Sh- The heat. He went another guy to say can. again, Y YOU WANNA go there and he's on I. think that over very good meditation there because it was a cremation ground, there's lots of ghosts they're. Not John Shaw said, no, any had owners excuses for one day. This mandate he said, I, want to go to this new modern wide. You wouldn't go out days because I just WANNA hang out with my other western Clinton's okay you can go. True that happened. Because he wanted honesty didn't matter the had this is a new one, two things. The most important thing was being honest and truthful to yourself and these great bunks. Now, they did reach your mind and they knew exactly what you're up to. And of course, there had compassion as well. The understand. Okay. Nets being a west the in a foreign country like hanging out with your friends speaking English is the cracking jokes together. But will the teacher wanted was honesty? Not only honesty but patients. Are Member another story may get my criticism executives after being there for one year. Agenda was sending this jackaroo off to another monastry. So he tell me I'm going off to this monastery is called sewan employed banana plantation. And he said I'm going there nine three days. He hadn't heard anything. So I went to see Chen. So what am I going? On not show you. When another day what am I going Not sure your. Amendments of. Token to me said I, don't know when Adam Chaz up to I, keep on asking me when I'm going. To show me. So one night. He went actually night after night asking what he's going to go. The one, he never went the next night at was impatient. He wanted to know what the future's going to be. These sign of what Buddhism is in practice we just sat down to whatever happens 'cause how many of you have had plans for the future which haven't turned out exactly the way you wanted. Actually, old if you and it happens everyday. This is what the future is. The future is something else other than you think it's going to be. It's one of the great sayings of the Buddha in the Buddhist scriptures. Whatever you think is going to be. He would always be something different. When I heard teaching by that I thought. Wow, that's great. That's very deep. Whatever you expect it's going to be it would always be different than that. One, you really get your mind around that. What it means is one US we spending all this time wasting all this time anticipating thinking and planning. When Oguz wrong. But it's not like that. and. So in these training monastries where we were, we will always catch on. Toes in the present moment not haven't plan off huge. We didn't was going to happen next. In, other that was incredibly free. Peaceful. And created much more happiness in your life. When, you didn't actually plan. You know your weeks activities of what you're. GonNa do when you're going to do it how you can do it when you become more adaptive. Than to life as it happens wrong, always trying to fix it because you know what happens when your plans get frustrated when it doesn't work is to expect you get angry. Anger comes from that from slush straight plans. A one great way of overcoming anger is. Having any plans. Not expect slices. Of course, you conder- The hundred percent but at least the list plan. So expectations you have. The less angry. You have not fighting you not trying to make life fit into your schedule. You becoming more adaptive. Again. That's the Soda Sings which we learned. Not, just simplicity in material things we didn't have hardly anything. Victory sometimes again didn't have any shoes. Now that you think that's okay. Even these days now people in hot weather down the beach that dugway shoes but this is push it Max you've not wearing shoes. When all these creepy qualities about. Not. Just snakes centipedes. Scorpions. And many other things. I didn't know the name of Bats. They considered you. Had said. Dinner. With these ants. I saw them again, my offense cold mountain the black passing has. And they pack a punch. If, you step in them when they bought you you jump. I. Member once again at nighttime. Going back from the evening meeting in the dock dangerous dungle. You stepped on them he didn't have any shoes had a flashlight. But I jumped one way mustache like something other way. That was very dangerous. I was stuck in to jungle these ants all around. I didn't have a flashlight who's in the Bush somewhere. So they were very dangerous times but I never expected anything. New always manage to find a way back to your heart somehow rather bots. What is teaching you as a matter of Wabi about such scenes it'll be okay. Life in prison with no expectations. What do you wide for any way? The once I was actually very healthy, young marching targeted. I think by because, my attitude was always really positive. But one of the I mean I I but A. Chided for much I I went to Thailand. Now, when I was twenty three and I got up to Seattle Shaw's any Seventy four. Eighty, four. Yes. Seventy four. Is About Las Jenny seventy four. And it was just his mother just passed away. The, preparing a funeral service. For her for some reason that Jansher decides to make. Mountain made out of bamboo boss gets couple with peppy of mashing. Linda, why was doing that made no sense to me. Like everybody else joy did making these. House of bamboo. Remember it's very difficult to do because I was a theoretical physicist. I wasn't good with my hands. Amend the my first experience with the teacher he came out to being. Told me all your boss gets very beautiful. and. I looked to him to other people's pockets I say, what are you talking about surveys? But this was the beginning of the ACCU shoot. It does have benefits amiss plays gets you everywhere. That is a bit a price that got a disciple. So remember if you're getting out sometimes, you might go for no boyfriend here if you want to like you. Him. Say what a great guy you are. Oh what a lovely charming go. You're so mazing. How much more traction you will get in life when you praise your partner more. Basic flattery gets you every was positive reinforcement and it's not just praising your partner is what we call the perception of a beautiful of the positive is the opposite of the full finding mind and this was my first experience of that. If I was a western month, he probably said that's a terrible BOSCA. You're doing that g where were you brought up cutting weaver? BOSC, what do they you in the West Hopeless Scotty hopeless? That sometimes the sort of thing we say in waste, we criticize each other where we might stakes but how does that feel when you're criticized? We're praise the realize. This was a different type of environment, a different culture. Outside of modest toddler still criticized, but in the monasteries you built up in price. He valued. Who was compassion? Fills a compassionate, very, very deep level because it was actually coaching you. To be at peace with yourself, and that's the next boss can I made was even better because now, why don't you get Christ by the teach you show off and live up to that place? You see what happens when you play somebody. New in college. So I should, if you got kids always encourage them. There's a matter what they didn't the you know the T. E. schools. Didn't come Bochum. Lisa summa what's the butter market? Not Is it Syra? Sierra. Here you got to box. What ink cartridge because when you encourage somebody you build them up actually they do better next time and that's what I learned. It wasn't any of this criticism business college or the time. Even during the challenging, some of our CIANCI was hoping to let all these charts not civil the stuff of rituals put. Sometimes it very difficult to do those jobs. So get, we'll take compassion on us. He said look. This found all those like people doing these Chinese said just. Up and down up and down up and down no one will know that you're not sure. That's what he said. Really Compassionate to us, it wasn't just compassion even give heaps and heaps of wisdom. Sir. On Wednesday morning, I won't cover from whatnot a chance to walk by Paulo When? Go arms round fairly often I go in the same whichever Charleston. I remember the place because you get all of these styles memories when he got visit the place where you grew up. Place. In a way he starts and he did they picked up a stick from the side of the road. He turned around and said in a bummer long Sir because that's my night. The full name is promise under the shortened pressure bomb along. So how heavy is this stick? Reform could answer. He's away Bush says, see is only heavy when attached to it. Simple teachings that we should go all the time from this great marks. So it's easy to say, Oh, you shouldn't be attached. You should grasp onto things Halsey shutting why in a very simple teaching if you hold onto something for too long, it gets heavy that is why you Safa. So, how many of you? Felt grief when somebody dies. Okay you can feel sad when somebody close Utah's why did you hold onto it for so long? Okay. Pick up the stick of grief as far in the poster soon as you can. Then, is not heavy. Then you suffer summers. is because we hold onto things too long. It's why we Susta what somebody said to us. How many reporters about what he said to me Monday say, Oh, five years ago season. Chow come on. Kind let that one. It was this morning ferry. To give him a hard time for Dia but you know by the evening. Okay. Enough now. What we always hold onto the past for ages and ages pages. PUT US on. That's absolutely stupid. Good is operatives. Ten in community. What they went through to the killing fields, shes. Shape because most of the Cambodians opponents. The ones over he gets no very well, not for twenty five years. and. Then Hate suit for happened in the past. They've let it go. No one of the most beautiful ceremonies are so. This was not tied in this is over here a leading seventy. One of these men, one of the leaders of the Cambodian community here in Perth that she retired. Now he's credible. He. was a month before he was forced to disrobe by the committee route when the commodities took over Cambodia is actually death though just disrobe say charge to describe. He got married. and. He was one of the people like remember the film kidding fields who escaped from the commune went through the jungles and got over the border into. Thailand with his wife. He made it into safety. However during that journey. His wife contracted malaria. And died in the camp. Sad thing because it almost got to feed him. Anticipate. In Thailand were outside of the country but. His wife report malaria with her as for the check through the Trekking through the jungles and it was too far gone. She died. And this was a refugee, it lost everything there's no way he could organize the funeral services for her. So, he just put it aside for a while. Eventually he was resettled with many other Cambodians here. Impress. After. Tour is in press? Invited. Me and some other masks for seventy. In, his house was embedded in one of the the the units they're. Doing, the CIANCI. Quite unexpectedly. He came to the floods. As from his shirt pocket, he took out a photograph. It was documented increase. I saw it whose only picture he has his wife. Income Party who thought in the camp. He's already remarried here in purse and his pregnant wife was standing behind him. Do this. He took out the picture put in front of him with his hands up while the mouse with chanting he cried his eyes out. He whipped. This was how he hadn't had time to do with his grief over tools for years. Now this was his chance the mouse with a chanting. Touting. I lost about fifteen minutes when we finish the chanting. He watches is. Stop the cry for the photograph back into his pocket. Joined in the seventies happy three. One of the most beautiful ceremonies of we deal with these things. We don't just hold the stickle the time. Now. He couldn't throw away straight away because he had the trouble to being penniless refugee trying to find a new life. The first opportunity. That stick away in a beautiful way in a wonderful seventy. which action charged with teaches not to keep savings. Leave one of the famous stories which was there at the time. It's one of the great stories in the book. and. I've been door of your heart languages including tie when I was over there they publishes in the translations one, hundred, thousand copies of being printed in. Thailand. He sort of coming to me about this story, which is Watson the front of my mind, the story of the. The street Western monks is myself is a novice coach Gary and there was translator whose name was put backhoe. And that JEN showers in the passenger seat a driver with being taken to railway station from the monastery. and. That was when turned around in the car. And he looked this. He looked at this Novus Gabby for he was from new, Mexico? And he said to him. You're thinking about your girlfriend. Is Very dangerous to be in a car with a monk who has sake palace. Read this young novices squad was thinking about his girlfriend. And this poured. Always faces Paul Paul. Nervous. Gabby his faith why is George Wells really embarrassing have Read in public. Then something else you said he said Oh we can fix that. Next. Time you watch your girlfriend backing united. States is. Oscar said something of her something personal. So when you miss her, you can take that out. Barnes you her. He replies through the translator is allowable. Nice. To have things like that. No. So keepsakes of your girlfriend in case you feel lonely. Nacho Yeah Yeah. Yeah, you can do that. and. This poor nervous saw even great teachers romantic. WAS A. Judge said. So. The interpreter took a long time to translate exists kidding of South Slavic. He said next. Next target. Right to your girlfriend back in the states. Oscar to send send you a bottle a small bottle. Associates. So the next time you missed the out Shit Oh, that's my go. Because it is very personal isn't it? Knows actually the great teaser. That's what I go types of these people. Are Teaching which with Fahmi you will never forget them and they really helped. When you fought in what did you fall in love with anyway how many people say Oh, enough I love all of her every bit of not just not love is more than skin deep. Yes. So that way, we not loving you loving a person. Is, bodies changed So I I was teaching how to really go things. and. This was why it was not Buddhism of theory was not just like going to a lecture. Like school or university or college you listen to lectures, and so these are the sorts of things have to learn. Then shoulders spoke knowledge this theory. For the training which you in these prices not Siri. Which? leaving, practice sometimes you saw wow, if the Buddha was alive, this is probably how he would taught. The taking these problems of lots of senior stop you being free stuff you're being happy. These things we worry. The grief the on like the. haven status. There was somebody might me of this story was having told here that there's one of Shaw's Disciples. In ages one of the finish one of the people in town helped him for so many years and. Had Been. Elected. Into the government's is an MP. So he win touchy to Goto bicyclists have an MP now give us a blessing because it's the celebration. Can you also? A bright in fat love one in election. Somebody saw the gotcha child was up in this room. Who saw the mountaintop says can you come and call? On and he gave him his cod MP, silencer. Todd up to see Sean, how John Shaw said, message out notice guy. What do you mean? You know this guy so I've been with. Ed Shaw for years. But then the an idea. close out the front of the cock on the back of the cottages gave his only nine setup It's nice to see you. What he was teaching, they said outside of a monastery. Yes datus counts. But inside of on a street. No status everybody man will. Reach. Sort of Paul Will High Society Low Society he doesn't care. He would trust everybody. Individually personally he always did that and that was wonderful to see. Outside of on street. Have the status, we have the businesspeople to rich people from big families, royalty generals or whatever inside the monastery. His everybody was equal and that was wonderful to see from my wonderful memories. Of Big, entitled after coming over here to Australia for about. full-sized five years however back to visit. Thailand. Anacostia went out to visit Tyler. visit this Monash Shugart route for nine years old villages. In this associated said they supported alison she wasn't of them as family. And the first time because he arrive in the afternoon goes straight into the monitor the first time the to see you on the morning Armstrong. going file sidedly to collect the arm suit. When I The first morning. See people top. Started crying. They're leaping because it was somebody they do we come back to the ticket. Not really moved me to she really pause. is any one of the old people that's now I remember him telling me on Thursday morning said the other people who wants to go on hold new people now postal. Very. Nice to see this Leave another ties. The. One of the old men he's one of the movies about. Poor. 'cause he was an old friend when I went back one time he was die. So end to see him at his homes he comes on the street inside talking to him in now. We're talking about the old times needs to be the Hubble doctor. In the area. And yet you. His story was he was a fisherman He asked the Buddhism but I have to catch fish. Knows what you have to do when I was first entire people told me that in Thailand. Now, how can you catch fish if you're keeping five precepts of the Buddhist, not supposed to Kim anything? One of the top people in banks. Okay. So case okay. Because he taught him, we don't kill the fish we just take them out of the water they talked by themselves. Says today but also they told me. This this. This young village he was a fisherman. Said look now need to fish feed my family. And again, the teachings reporters always very practical this market. Okay. This is an. Catch fish he told him you know you can't keep the five precepts little coffee your family. This is compassion for not just fish families will catch those fish own enough to feed your family and yourself. But not making any more money does seldom. He said the same time accenture many of the fatherless months ahead to learn about the plants around him because of the medicinal qualities in every month would actually learn about the products and the how there could be used. It became like a herbal doctor all there's always bumps became habilis and that's an Sean you about what top applauds six Seven. So he told this. To this man? So you could have another Korea. Has got to know help medicine from the plants scenario. He never needed decision anymore he got his income fob from this. I was talking to him just before he died a member. Thing you said was this really remarkable he said I've been living here for such a long time nominee, Hubble Dr. one thing I've noticed you said. Before they had the hospital in town. People. So much more healthy. Now that have the hospital everyone get sick. This he told me. Fascinating. The connection between building hospitals and having more sickness. Nature nature of the mind is powerful. Short about sicknesses, but sometimes, the most doctors we have. Maybe the most sickness we have. What do you can? Actually email from a guy been in the air for such a long time. But Anyway, the actually. See how these things were treated when I go sick in hospital Najem Shaw came to see me this one time, and now you've heard this story before this story isn't it? Is. Is actually what you learn how you learn this. CanNot from theory, but these experiences they really sort of free you. Because we had typhus fever when Evan you what it was at the time because in this particular monastery will be it actually sleep on the ground which we also need to outside of our hearts. Now, to practice big simple monks. Though these, this will might small insects on the ground which. Is Fever Scrub Typhus. And because all the local people in the area had developed immunity over the generation society. When the westerners have fallen came into the country, we were the ones typhus fever, and so the town doctors they never thought it existed in that part of the world. Later on it was actually found out here. There was typhus sir. So, when I got my typhus fever went into hospital. And you really feel sick very sick as they healthy fit young man I got so sick I felt so terrible. quite depressed long way from her and that was a time when. I was in this hospital with a drip in my arm shooting deaths. That six PM is in the monks what about dozen beds with a nurse having a desk at the front of the world, the nurse of mountainous left. By seven eight, o'clock, the replacement does come in. So I also sitting next to me united my broken thy, when is the replacement nurse coming? Should we tell the haven't turned up? Next to me said what you mean. There is no not not going to have a nurse during the day. Now if something goes wrong nighttime. Bad. Karma. No that everybody really helps. House tennis. So that was the situation wins will country Third World Hospital And you very sick. We felt depressed. And then and then at Cha came into the war just to see me. Even, by the news scrape big monk in your hero and teacher thinks I'm all the way just to see me. As, soon as I saw him walking towards me you felt so uplifted it's claimed hurting visits like that husband is just gives you more more. was boost morale you feel good at some. Cash for you licensed Komo this quite sufficient you and he came right by my bedside. I didn't feel sick all about a minute. And that's what he told me. This is the teachings gets when you're sick. He said had John Bob. He said I'm wrong. Sir, you'll either get better all you'll die. World's out. Thank you very much. Great Teaching. Great Teaching. 'cause you know also just think about that. How can you find fault with that? Why problem was I didn't light feeding sick. Being sick doesn't feel nicer towards painful. Humiliating sometimes, but it is a matter. Remember the next time you'll stick, it won't allow us. To. Get better or you die Arthur why the sickness what? What a teacher is could, why is it when you're sick? You GET UPSET Constand, the pain muscle weakness. Then nice to know what law she was dodged. So those source of wisdom teeth is you've gotten. So straightaway had to sickness remember that it's any body you can die. Any white. House would open done with the as possible. We all going to die anyway on you. Judy WanNa die with. Old. Age Have you ever been to our house? Very nice sometimes. So. Why don't you say when you get to be sixty cancel we`ll Go to Goto People's hung. Really. We'd idea about life in this coaching, his country. In reincarnation he birth and commerce. Really put shouldn't be afraid of death and that's when the other things I learned by staying in these prices. Whenever anybody died. We would actually have the funeral how in the open. This achieved box he would. Put the the corpses side noted finishes couldn't wood from the forest. Put into a pie, the coughing on top and then it right there. But before they burned it. Though the month we'd go out and have a look. A wonderful seem to do to see real dead body. On this was not any bombed body over here in Australia before you consider is being embalmed. These guys in the funeral parlor occas injected seventy chemicals. They might sure the Mousa smiling and they look. How many times when you go other looks peaceful. Is The dead body the dead bodies not peace with actresses skilled as the undertaker. realtor party that will gray. NO CALORIE UNTIL Measure the mouth is open. The funeral has just do that to make you feel good. But sometimes it's making you feel good is actually taken away the truth. The Reality Sinks because people could afford these things. Reality we saw dead bodies. They never looked like what I see these days when I go to funeral services. And it was great. You could touch it and be with today you wander you'll be the same. It wasn't scarier toll was that the writing? Clues reality. Is Never. Scary. When you really understand it. Is the other thing which causes the problems. Now, the fantasies dreams lack of reality in our life. Let me face death that was. Relief in the sense. That 'cause all body. We don't WANNA keep this guy for too long. It's a release. Saw when she sees, I know so. So you're also learned about how to actually do cremation because sometimes I don't if you know this. But colations always put the body on the side if he's going to be one of these open air cremations. And I was saw these villages that always make sure that what he was on its side sometimes would because of his notify turn on his back. And then you realize why you'd never been anybody on their back. Because this is the nature of the heat and the muscles. Something contract Sunday expands because of the muscles being but. I saw once. The buddy liners fact because of muscles contracting sit up. Top. The right arm lifted up to. And a finger came out. To. Do that. Is Very. Night. But that's that's what happens. So these actually now, what you were dealing with us, he I want. So you you really live out the face to face with OJ Simpson tests, sometimes, people think, Oh, you monks you've just given a you know in the real world. You know you don't have to go to way after face teams which we have to face but a Lotta Times as a mind you see saves which. No one else can see you know allowed to so you see a lot. Of Unity Fascinating interesting truth about the nature of life. Now. Without just to sort of say marriages and funerals. Out saying insult tyler. Is Marriage ceremonies. I think we should start a push divorce ceremony as well. Because you know when you have the marriage seventies, the two people go up toge-. Vows they exchanged rings. And they say how much I. Love You and love you forever divorce ceremonies while British. Devos Sunday the to them get up there together. They say I hate your guts I'll go to why have a better? Staging rings. Put this divorce settlement at this. Would have much white. Passages announced us. Things we should learn from Thailand says Mexico. says she read it was real. As she. Saw people who lasted the course amongst the state of for a long time. When you're seeing this became so detached from the well but still have of compassion. Sickness. Now you get better I didn't worry about it, which is one of the reasons why you got better. In any sicknesses mental stuff the worry that's the big killer. Society says it when people do get a cancer. Herbicide Bositis hit before say enjoy our cancer. Now. That's not just you know being flipping. But changing the. To. The disease which has You're giving us an increased chance of survival. Just. Accu chewed is the half the public not I'd say more than half the problem. So. This is what I learned of the maybe because those attitudes not another folk five minds whining what might happen in the future who knows what might happen in the seats whatever you expect it to be it'll be different. So. Because you learn how to let go you carry your cats around or your voice avowed whatever is through things away very quickly. You saw that you to your that you did that. So. Going through this training. See it wasn't just sitting on your cushion on your body meditating day it was just learning from the lifestyle. I should actually mention the arms around because when I first at the Ogden I was really embarrassed. because. I came from a rich country. I was monk with a big degree coming from a rich country. Thanking food from these people were the poor subsistence farmers. I still very guilty at first hand. How could I receive food from these people should be gone back to working and setting the donations of money. And then one day we were invited to a house to get off food. So we did go arms around that morning. And afternoon the headman of the vintage KP series to apologize. I could understand why are you apologizing for that? We didn't come entre you'll have more free today you should be happy Those bicker bunks haven't come today. They were really upset the we'd never went to the is to seafood that day. That's what I started to understand. What this odd food is all about what generosities about. His not that are needed. Accept food. Jose really to give. And that just opened just a huge. Wisdom. About, giving and receiving. As much. As. Muggy yesterday morning. In Bangkok airport. Evening. This woman gave me some new shoes. They'll tell shoes I hope she's not listening to this by the way Becker. Already got it now travel. She gave me these terrible dishes. And of course, Malaysia comfortable shows. I saw I put away I will her shoes in the airport And she was so happy are will his shoes Cosa citizens I got to Singapore to the for. This is how would I know the line needs shoes many of you say I've already go to parachute need your take him away never do that. 'cause she needed to give it to me on needs to make happy. And that's what he loved Korans. Soup isn't citizen. We've got no money. We can't handle money never Kate food food. We are deliberately in taint simply. Dependent. On How many people be independent, self-sufficient, either lead anyone in this well. Tell well too. Big Independent self-sufficient utterly Jedi Body. The Buddhist monks you have to be dependent. Completely. Eight tomorrow morning without come into. Give me some faith. Even close I where we give. Everything I have is given. Super Beautiful Tradition What it means is connected with another person. Please understand that. If anybody especially, you'll love you think gives you something. Even, if you don't want it. Please accept it. Because it's respected, someone is going to have their way towards the author you please. Please, respect the kissed. The attitude, the thought behind the gift accepted. just for one day. When I come back to see you again, take it out the competent where again make him. Happy. I understood about what gender diversity was is a waste of I understood that before I always saw in generosity meant the often you give it to them. Because they needed it. I. Never Understood General was high as a human being need to give to others. And these days because I got no money to give just give my life. For the world. Networking my boss with getting really tied bottom because even though you really give give give give you a good. Dislikes even the ample in Bangkok. So a couple of copies of my book on I went into the bookshop, this capital cups. And then the Gospel looking at it in reservoirs means said. Who decide these books and I thought Gee everywhere I go after side of my head even come back here. This evening have to sign books. But. I. It's just my while being able to give something. A look I just come back from a long SIP privacy's flawed. I had to go give it up now I this is my way of giving. This not that you need to listen to a tall car someone I need to give. A human being. So. These are the things which are that capacity. What real generosity is and how to accept gifts, how to be dependent to form these relationships with other people s food giving and receiving that have to do that corporately. The another positive reinforcement that's a beautiful basket to even though it doesn't matter. That's a had not shah are push. Of Happy Tracy who is alive was a terrible basket. The did that just to give it a praise and encouragement that works. And just not attaching to sing not worrying about the future or the past. Oh God learning how to forgive not worrying about all day citizen deaths. Isn't this beautiful. Talk about the catchy. Nothing no craving of being peaceful being kind. This was actually in action. So you link to these monasteries and people just living that life. And that was the most spotting of all. You can read about it. You can discuss it. You can what essays about. Seeing that she practice The most spotting Singapore, the loss story of gun overtime. The most impressive memory I've ever will have Martina. was. Two stories. Just as lost many became fight was all these famous people visiting him giving him six and it always received just is generosities I remember witness tie general. y'All. Not even a thunderstorm. Formed, a new government yet entitled but there was a military coup. The was entitled of always had a lot of power. This was a time when it had absolute power. People the government's. So this general blessed. House then those address child was sitting on the general had all these other military people were there in the back corners of Saud is ten generals or majors or whatever whole convict came into the monastery. General came up his clever blessing custom holy water blessed. Lead. Traded heavily. Holy Water. come here. CHARLES SPAT ON HIS HEAD And rubbed aid. I was. He's gone over the talk this time. Get Away with. Did erupted in the touch and all saw who saw. How can you get more holy water the. Spit. WHO's a joke alleged size great to? schedule. Your. This was actually the rituals of holiday water, the dot water street. Then anyway, this while lost story I tend awesome if you got to his room. And he only ever allowed to usually the one month. Look talked him ever go out to his room. Nelson into goblet to get something. oser member this. I was so excited at loss I can go and see how much each of this. Has Seen Him in action a seen his teachings. We went actually see how he lives. In property some people one way the imply there another person. When I went into his room I was cried. there. WHO's a Matt a wooden pillar, one way or something on the line. Nothing else. Know knickknacks. No. So pictures on the wall. Though photographs. Nothing. And this was a month for the height of his fame. Having all these very wealthy people offering also stuff. He kept nothing. Now that's a sign of an enlightened person. This, and this will fully famous. Piece. Philly beautiful. Very kind. Very wise. You go and see whether. This nothing there. Has What I remember. Fulsome. Actually being lived. Inside One. Car. Ta. Taty. No by. A. Go.

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