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The Legacy of George Wallace

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The Legacy of George Wallace

"This is one A. I'm Todd Willie Broadcasting from WBZ H. M. in Birmingham Alabama. I have stood for one. Jefferson Davis stood and a lot of people. It is very appropriate from this cradle of comparison. This part of the Anglo Saxon south land in the dust and I say segregation now. Tamara and Sarah Gatien for George Wallace. During his inauguration as governor of Alabama in one thousand nine hundred sixty three that very year George Wallace tried to stop the integration of the University of Alabama and. He tried to stop it himself. George Wallace famously stood in the doorway foster auditorium on the school's campus to block two black students. Vivian Malone and James Hood from entering despite this history wallace. His name still appears on buildings all across Alabama including the Bell Wallace Gymnasium on the University of Alabama campus. Right here in Birmingham later. We're going to talk about Wallace's influence on shaping American populism and how his legacy has reverberated across all of America. Not just in the south but first we start here at the University of Alabama at Birmingham where some students say. They don't agree with having a building named for George Wallace on their campus. Here to talk with us about George. Wallace's legacy is a current student organizer at the University of Alabama at Birmingham Sri Apocryphal Shrill. Welcome to one A. Thank you so much. You're having talk a little bit about the controversy around the building. I mentioned the Bell Wallace Gymnasium on the grounds of the University of Alabama at Birmingham. So like you said. It's building is named after George Wallace. Who is famous segregationist This building isn't widely used for classes currently but it's still very visible on campus and is very much a s students enter the campus for the first time as their touring is something that comes up often or the freshman year on campus. They noticed this building and they ask. Why is there a building named after segregationist on campus as diverse and promisingly inclusive as? Uab is and so. This is a conversation that continuously comes up to him. You say you say it comes up a lot. It's not it's not one or two people knocking on the door of the student union. I mean it comes up a lot among students. What do they what do they say when they say why George Wallace? Why does it say that they primarily start with our student body aside diverse and UAB claims to be very diverse and inclusive university from having programs centered around diversity departments around diversity inclusion and so having this building named after George Wallace does doesn't align with what the university claims to promote well? There's another building on campus named for Lister Hill. Who is a congressman from the fifties and sixties? Who signed the southern manifesto vowing to oppose integration of public places? Have there been any moves if not to change these names to acknowledge the segregation that these politicians espoused. What's it looked like on campus? So there's no movement around Lister Hill currently but there's a wider went around George Wallace and I'm part of a student Coalition called students for justice in Birmingham along with other three other student activists and we are working to implement human rights trail on campus. That would mark fourteen different locations on campus. Where historical civil rights movement situations occurred from Integrating UAB to the funerals of the three of the four girls who were murdered and that Sixteenth Street Baptist Church and we hope to place marker at the George Wallace building saying the holistic story of George Wallace from saying that he donated a lot of money to ABC kind of made the university what it is today by donating lots of money and furthering its medical enterprise in everything but also acknowledging that he was a segregationist and would not have agreed with a majority of the students population just for because of who they are. So what you're talking about is an effort from the perspective of you and your allies to tell the full story of George Wallace. Not just you see buildings named after someone you assume. That must've been a grand person. Who was great for my state or the state where I go to school you. You're not talking about scrubbing that. Name in Alabama. You're talking about a a fuller story so my the student group I'm part of we are working on the markers while we stand in support with removing the name. That's not the initiative that we're currently working on ourselves but we support the effort to remove the name. We got this voice mail from a listener. Who grew up in Alabama when George Wallace was governor? And here's what they had to say about. The buildings that are still named for him across the state today. Problems born and raised in Alabama in the fifties and sixties and I was there during all of that. The integration of the University and George Wallace being voted in and then his accident so I don't see a problem with those buildings being named after him because he apologized publicly to the African American. Well is black then community. Sure what do you think about what Laura has to say? That George Wallace apologized to the black community in Alabama that he had something of an emotional reckoning and Tried to make amends in front of the Public. And so that that is part of his legacy. That story is being told and so that keeping the names of the buildings is part of that. And that it's okay. Well I'm not blacks. I can't speak to the black experience or the perceptions that black people may have. It's his apology. But from my experience and from the many conversations I've had with black students and students have other marshals backgrounds on campus students primarily. See His name being on the building as a threat or makes it very uncomfortable for students to enter campus even though he apologized to the community in his later years. That wasn't his later. Years and that apology doesn't absolve everything he did when he was governor when he was making these very harmful remarks that really damaged and terrorized a lot of people or lead to the continuing continuation terrorisation. So I personally don't believe that a apology. Near the end of his life totally absolves him everything he said before And I don't know if he had from my personal experience from what I've read about him in everything I don't know if he did enough work in the leader Lee years of his life to make up sort of what he had said earlier so sure whether or not the names of the buildings come off or whether or not there are plaques or or a more fulsome telling of George Wallace story around campus. Do you feel that at the very least your activism in that of your? Your colleagues has fostered a broader conversation among campaigner students. Talking about it among each other our white students talking about its students who are from Alabama. Who maybe it's possible before they got to. The university never heard anyone say critical word about George Wallace. I would hope so Do you think it's happening? I think it is. I think our work. We've been keeping it under wraps for a long time because we've been trying to figure out finances and funding and things of that nature when we started becoming bar public about her work and talking to more students about it. We've received very very positive feedback and a lot of suggestions on what we should include next on such as including the names of the native American communities that used to reside on ABC's land before it was occupied by white settlers. So we've received a lot of great feedback from Black White Asian students Hispanic students and so I hope to continue receiving that in the future and breeding conversation on campus and continuous initiative to not only include the markers but also programs and other implementation campus. I would continue the conversation. And what about those history professors they encouraging you as? Well yes yes. Faculty Advisory Board and. They've been extremely extremely supportive and encouraging of that's good to hear a stray. Apocryphal is a student activist on the campus. Of the University of Alabama. At Birmingham there are buildings and plaques all over the campus commemorating former governor George C Wallace segregationist governor of the civil rights era who proclaimed segregation now segregation forever. Trae I wanNA thank you for broadening the conversation to us. Thank you for me. Well coming up. We're going to ask some new voices. Continue the conversation about the legacy of George Wallace in what it means in today's political landscape all across the country. It's one eight. I'm todd this message comes from. Npr sponsor worby parker creating boutique quality. Eyewear Worby Parker. 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Let's bring to new voices into the conversation now. Dan Carter is the author of the politics of rage. George Wallace the origins of the new conservatism and the transformation of American Politics Dan. Welcome to one A. Thanks Todd could be with you and Horace. Huntley is here in the studio with me. He's the founding director of the Birmingham Civil Rights Institute Oral History Project. He also taught at the University of Alabama for thirty five years Professor Huntley. Welcome thank you so much great to have you here in the studio and we got this fascinating comment from a one. A listener from Cheryl. Who tweeted us? My father is John Cash and he ran for governor against George Wallace. In one thousand nine hundred seventy. He and Wallace reconcile decades later. And My mother worked. Wallace's last administration to support poor black communities but Wallace's wallace originated dog whistle politics. And it's a terrible legacy. And it endures Cheryl. Thank you for that comment fascinating history all throughout Alabama Horace. I'm interested being a veteran of teaching here at the University of Alabama at Birmingham. A what you thought of. Sri His comments in her activism from the first part of the show. You were sitting here listening. She and her colleagues are trying not to scrub the Wallace name. But to get a fuller history told among students and faculty here. What did you think about what you heard in? Leiden because I've not had contact with students in a while and it was just refreshing to hear that students are thinking about these serious questions and I think the question that you raised earlier about whether students are heaven those serious discussions and it is so important that discussions take place because without the discussion. Then nothing happens When we talk about Wallace the confederacy. It seems to be. There's a rebirth. So the activism of students a vitally important. Because that is that's the the basic the bad of where things will change? So you have to have it. And so I just. I congratulate students who are out front and making those efforts. Well that's that activism going on on the very campus where George. Wallace stood in the door of the auditorium to black to block to black students from integrating the University of Alabama while he was governor. Dan Carter let me bring you in here. A bring us back to the history of George Wallace. We're going to talk about his impact. Not only on populist politics in the south but all across America who was George Wallace before he was governor of Alabama before he was the guy who blocked the tours to the university in nineteen sixty three well in some ways his the trajectory of his life and career simply followed politics When Wallace first emerged after World War Two and was elected the state legislature he he was an Acolyte of big. Jim Paulsen Who was probably a two term governor of Alabama and the most liberal certainly twentieth century governor that Alabama's ever had and I think in the late forties and early fifties. He assumed there was gonna be a gradual kind of transformation. He was still segregationist And as a result he was Both for personal reasons than political reasons was was very. You've got only describe him as Liberal He was first a member of the legislature and served on the Tuskegee Black University Board of trustees and then as a as a state judge he was known for his courtesy almost unheard of toward toward black attorneys and their clients He insisted on calling them by proper names rather than boy or first name which doesn't sound like very much but in Alabama and In the early nineteen fifties it. Set Him apart from most other people and then of course he ran as a moderate in nineteen fifty eight. He was going to be a a a careful segregationist and lost and he turned on a dime and Iran of course say are racist campaign in Nineteen Sixty two and and Both both in the campaign and then most of course reflected in his inaugural speech that you quoted and his stand in the schoolhouse door. And I really what Ms Prell said that It's it's one thing to look at somebody talk about their apologies and so on but it's a little bit like having an abusive father or parent. I don't mean sexually. I mean just an abusive parent and you're growing up with them and they get old and they say. I'm sorry I did this and of course you forgive them but you never get away from the legacy. You never get away from the damage that he did. And that damage was enormous in Alabama in the nineteen sixties. And I think it's it's great whenever you can to Have public facilities or statues or whatever and place them in some kind of context. But I do think if I were a black student at the University of Alabama I. I would find it very difficult to walk past a building named after governor while realizing what an extraordinary role he played not simply in defending segregation but in creating a climate that encouraged violence whether he meant to do that. Or not I should point out to people that were here at. Wbz H. M. Right on the campus of the University of Alabama at Birmingham and the main campus in Tuscaloosa. Of course right horace. Now you arrived at the University of Alabama as a professor in nineteen seventy six which is only a little over a decade. After George Wallace blocked those two students. I guess about fourteen years after. What was the university like when you arrive in terms of that not so distant? Legacy of race relations on the campus during the time wrote it was interesting. Coming in back to Birmingham. I'm originally from Birmingham but I've been away for fifteen years in the military and in school so when I finished up the doctorate In fact proud to finish the doctorate I came to. Uab and talk with some people in the history department and they asked if I was interested in coming back home and of course I was so When I finish up we made that trick. Mo- wife and family and When I arrived here as the only black in the history department And it was interesting that his department called a meeting a faculty meeting and it was to be hail at Ollie's restaurant and Ali's was restaurant that fault to hold on to say radiation and not only that George Wallace was going to be at the meeting. And he I am. I first year professor with no clout whatsoever and I have to fade. I have to make a decision whether I am going to participate in this a not so. I chose at that point not to attend that meeting. And didn't get much flack about it but there was some Erie feelings. You know that happened after that. How do you feel about that decision now? All these years later you had it to do again. Would you stay away again from the formerly segregated restaurant and governor George Wallace or or would you would you go and be present there and I don't know maybe speak up well I? I don't think that I would change my decision I don't think that I would go. This is You know a protest against an individual and against That institution but in addition to that I wanted to send a message to the history department that As a black man I resented having sit at a meeting with a segregationist unknown segregation. Is that the time and And the kinds of things that he had done but of course. He's big on campus. He had given money The buildings and named after him. And that's what they were going after. I'm sure but I was not going to be a part of it. Well let's get a little bit more into George Wallace's politics. Here's a clip of George C Wallace on face the nation. Cbs Back in nineteen sixty eight. Listen I say that the fact that we are having the largest crowds we having tumultuous support for our attitude and philosophy throughout the country. Is Today making the leadership of both national parties? Sit Down and think and so. This movement is going to help change trends in the country. Dan Was George Wallace right there in what he was saying. That Republicans and Democrats in fact the entire political brain of the United States had their eyes on him and that he was going to change the political direction of the country did did was he onto something there. Well I certainly think his staff felt that way when when I interview John Ehrlichman We were talking about sixty John. Ehrlichman was of course. Richard Nixon's closest adviser and talking about the nineteen sixty eight campaign about the problems. And so he knew I was working on Wallace and he said Mr Carter he said let me tell you. There was not a day that went by during that campaign. That that President Nixon didn't sit down with me and the staff and begin with quarter. We gotta do about George Wallace Because he saw him as the obstacle to what he hoped would be A strong victory over over Hubert Humphrey nineteen sixty eight because he believed and rightly so is it turned out that That many of the Wallace voters their second choice was Nixon And they saw him as a drain on On their campaign although in the long run It was it was a help. I think because basically basically be lent foreign politics indeed. And what would be in the future would be the southern strategy undertaken by the Republicans Next Week and marks the fiftieth anniversary of bloody Sunday. Selma to Montgomery listen. We're marching today. To dramatize to the nation dramatize the world hundreds and thousands of Negro citizens of Alabama particularly here in the blight earlier denied the right to vote. We intend to march to Montgomery with Vince. Then Grievance Governor waddled that's the voice of Congressmen and civil rights activists. John Lewis back in one thousand nine hundred eighty five citing plans to confront George Wallace at the state capital. We're talking about George Wallace legacy today in Alabama and across America more from our guests and from you in just a moment you're listening to one A. from WMU and he'll support for NPR and the following message come from Delta Airlines. Who believes that the more you go out and see the world? You'll find that. There is more that connects us than divides us. You may be on one end of the country or the other side of the world. You may be a lawyer and activist or a dairy farmer but we can all agree that three day weekends rule cooking for your loved ones brings you joy and to never interrupt you during that Sports Game Delta flies that three hundred cities around the globe to show you how similar we actually are Delta. 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Wallace has been credited with setting some of the groundwork for modern right wing populism indeed some of the populist that we're seeing on the political scene today We played a clip before the break of George Wallace. Making grand statements about his level of support and the crowds. He's attracted and political interests. He's attracting from across the political spectrum so listen to this clip which may have some similarities to your ear. You repeatedly objected to being called a racist. Yes Sir you don't regard yourself as race knows. I don't regard myself as a racist and I think the biggest racist in the world all those who call other folks racists. Hi Mr President on the campaign trail. You called yourself a nationalist. Some people saw as emboldening white nationalist. Now people are also saying such a racist. There's some people that say that now. The Republican Party is seen as supporting white nationalist rhetoric on. What do you make of that? I don't believe I don't know. Why do I have my highest poll numbers ever with African Americans? What do I have among the highest poll numbers with African Americans? That's such a racist question. My wife got more Negro vote in the general election for Governor of Alabama. So I would say that Negro citizens would not have voted for my wife in Alabama. If the massive Negro citizens had considered MIA racist now Dan a lot of historians credit George Wallace with laying the groundwork for the kind of right wing populism that we see today in politics and even before that for what's known as the southern strategy you talked about the era of Richard Nixon when Richard when George C Wallace was in his way. Talk to us a little bit about the context there about the credit that George Wallace might deserve for some of the politics of right wing populism that we see operating to this very day well the first thing is he's not he's he wasn't the only person but I don't think there was anyone who's ever the master that he was of using coded language or What we talk about is talking about race without without explicitly doing so. It's absolutely nonsense to say that he didn't speak or act as a racist he did justice. It's nonsense to And incorrect of president trump. To say he has these high Polling ratings from African Americans in both cases I think both men learned The problem with the media and that is if you say something it can be absolutely untrue but you just say it over and over and over again and it's very hard for news people to turn around and say well you know you're really lying here And that was true of Wallace. That was true of president as true president trump but the big the big impact. He had an impact all over the country. He he really brought to life many of the social issues Questions about abortion About sexual license freedom pornography all those things but the real impact of Wallis was to transform what had been the democratic south into the Republican south and the strategy that he laid out and Nixon followed was very simple and that was to try to divide politics along racial lines to make the Democratic Party. A Black Party and the Republican Party are white part either. It's a real irony about Alabama and all of this because that Alabama and Mississippi. I think that strategy has worked out Almost completely and yet Alabama in some ways at least in terms of the public history has more openly confronted this than almost any other state in the union. I mean Dr. Hotly is too modest to talk about his own row but As the director of the or history project at the Birmingham Civil Rights Institute. He did a remarkable job collecting the stories of all these people who were involved in authoring. Lucy earlier and later. And if you go to Alabama today And unlike almost any other place. Where do you find you find? Civil Rights memorials all over the state And particularly in Montgomery and UH and in Birmingham. So there's this kind of I duNNo. I call it a kind of irony. That in some ways. Wallace had this tremendous impact politically Both in the state and nationally as well and yet you've got a state which is in some ways in in in ferment And so I. I'm not speaking for the Montgomery and Birmingham chamber of Commerce. But I would urge anyone to visit both cities in you'll see This remarkable story. That's being told I think better and more fully than any place else in the south well Horace Huntley. That's a testament to your work from a an historian who knows. Maybe as much as there is to know about the legacy of George Wallace. Do you agree. Do you think that Alabama has done a more complete job of reckoning with its history? Then maybe it's other neighbors around it when it comes to its segregationist past well First Dan I want to thank you for your comment and We have not. We met many many moons ago. Yes Oh southern southern CASS right. Yes so it's good to hear you Alabama has been vigilant because you have people in Alabama that made the decision that certain things are going to change and I often talk about the the problem that we have is. That mistakes have been made. And we're still moving forward based on those mistakes and I sort of equate that to done a math problem and you do a a division. You make a mistake and then you go on from that point keep that mistake in there. Then you never get that problem right. You're off course is far as you go. Same thing happen with race and race relations and racism and white supremacy in in this context. So what we have to do is really have that discussion just says the students at UAB now having discussions about these difficult problems you gotta have the discussing. Plus you gotta get back to that point where we can correct those erroneous decisions. That we've made and I see some of that happening here. In the state of Alabama. You have the civil rights institute you have the equal justice initiative and you have other entities that have made significant contributions to at least get an a dialogue on these topics. Same thing's happening in Mississippi. I was in sip a couple of weeks ago and to the To museums there the southern the Museum of slavery I believe and we had the opportunity to walk through and spent actually spend the day doing what people come to Birmingham to do in Jackson Mississippi. So I think it's happening in Alabama but it's happening other places. It's impossible to unring. That belly used a math metaphor which is a fine metaphor I'll use the bill metaphor. You can't on ring the bell of segregation in Alabama But I guess you can know that you're going to hear it and And try to advance in in another way and know that you continually hear it hear it. Yeah and and that. That is the difficult because here in twenty twenty you would think that we would not necessarily have to have these discussions This late in our history. But we're still having this discussion and it's important we've got to have it because we've not hid. Let me make sure that I get a a word from one listeners. Who've been sounding off about George Wallace a we heard from David in Ohio. I am a native Alabamian and came early manhood in Alabama and I the honour decades ago of a young journalist of being escorted out of governor while this is office by Highway State Trooper while this is an example of Ba. Careful what you wish for. You might get it. He wanted to be governor of Alabama for most of his life and he got that he began as an agrarian populist and could have done a great deal of good fall Alabamians black eyed white but he chose to ride the back of race to win elections horizontally before we go Your personal impressions as you walk around this campus this state. And you see George Wallace's name so often as I walk around and I see these monuments statues of confederacy it just brings back those days of terra that we have that we have suffered through and It appears that those who talked about it. That's what the tune to do. That's Horace Hunley. He's the founding director of the oral. History Project at the Birmingham Civil Rights Institute. Mister Hennelly. Thanks Dan Carter is author of the politics of rage. George Wallace the origins of the new conservatism and the transformation of American Politics Dan Carter thank you so much thank you. This conversation was produced by Haley. Blasingame and edited by Matthew Simonsen to learn more about them and the rest of the team. Visit the website at the one dot org. This program comes to you from W. A. M. U. Part of American University in Washington it's distributed by NPR until we meet again. I'm Todd Zoellick so much for listening. This is one.

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Zeit Time Sleepy Tea 1/30: Hummer, George Wallace, Rand Paul, Seattle Kraken

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Zeit Time Sleepy Tea 1/30: Hummer, George Wallace, Rand Paul, Seattle Kraken

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This fucking truck is GonNa go zero to sixty in three seconds. It have eleven thousand five hundred foot pound talk. It's okay yeah okay okay cool it. is they move very fast. They accelerate almost at a speed. That doesn't seem like if it's like turning a switch on. Yeah this is just going as fast as physics will allow it as opposed to as fast as the engine can get heated up and start start moving so it really really flies real motor talk from us. Yeah engines is heats up and then it goes boom and he goes boom man. You know what I'm saying. I know I'm Dang Omega you're on roller coaster. Dang Road George. Wallace is trending guy doing back in the news Racist politician the governor the Governor Wallis. Because everyone's so into white supremacy again people just found out maybe hell yeah no so Bernie. Critics are saying saying that he wrote an article. They've uncovered an article from nineteen seventy two where he talks. Positively about George Wallace is thing that's been out there for years. And when you look at what he said it was not positive at all he was basically saying that he understands ends where the political power that he put together came from that it was disaffected people but basically he he ended up saying could Nazi. Germany happen here. Could you know black people and hippies and all the you know marginalized communities in America turn to the turn into the Jews and Communists of the Nazi experience. Yes I could see that happening thing but people I think there was something where he said that. A certain feeling of admiration and respect for their anger at the political system system but feared that with Wallace's influence growing their collective rage expose next essential threat to civil rights American pluralism so he was basically describing Wallace phenomenon and people are taking various aspects of it. They're taxed next a lot of it's the people on the left right. They're like no but I mean like it showed. This is okay. They're they're very focused on. I'm trying to get something to stick up Ernie Sam Stein From the daily beast was like among the many questions of that this raises as you did. Biden's team not have access to this. This is like killer stuff. Somebody else tweeted that this is like proves once again. The Bernie is unvetted and can't be trusted and is a liability. So that's why that is trending Uh also trending Rand Paul. So he put together. He wanted to get John Roberts to read the whistle blowers name during the Senate impeachment trial and John Roberts was like what fuck you are. You know I I will not know how about. Nah uh-huh not grant you this request and so- rampal just called a press conference in named him himself Breyer's as a libertarian. He he is a fan of free speech which one to protect. Someone's right to cut out rampant that corruption basically very very good very good morals to have. Yes you know what this is all part of the same. No one is his act knowing actually act out what they say their values are anymore. It's completely so transparently corrupt and fucked up. There's nothing this guy guy. You'd think as a libertarian. You would care like disability to hold these kinds of government entities accountable you. Yeah okay I see some benefit to that that there's nothing about this. That does that nerve. There's nothing everything again like. There's no argument that they have on the right. That actually actually appeals to like logic or any of the supposed values are their party and it really does sort of underline. There's this great piece in the Atlantic that's just talking about. This is really the last stand for white minority power and it's been at every level at every phase of our history. There's always been some kind of struggle about this to maintain minority power. It's like okay so I okay. We're going to free slaves. I will now how do we. How do we deal with that? What is what's the what? What do we do now about the status of these people? Then it's like okay. Well we've got immigrants now now. We're getting smaller. Numbers has now we have immigrants. The rent's coming here. How do we figure out how to are there? People that we can just determine being white enough or not white enough where women are voting. Now Okay so how do we. How do we figure out how to like? How long can we keep women down from voting? Okay how much. How how? Now it's like voter. ID laws resist at every every era. We have this sort of struggle and like this is the latest one. Because I mean when you look at all of the projections demographically of what the country is beginning to look like. Yes it's going to. The white people will be in the minority already and already there. You look on I guess for most liberals they say the power structure can involve. Most people. People depends on. How were you on the spectrum on the left but some people will say it's for everyone some people say you know? Maybe it's very Honda privilege but yeah I think this is now this is just the latest iteration and again they're willing there are so shortsighted because they know if we give up trump. Now like what happens. We've given up the far more are we. Would we ever get reelected. What do we do and I think also? They realized because he's such a his vitriol and he's so divisive and so good at energizing the dormant racist racist and people like this. There's this energy though that it's tapped into that they're also you know it's like the fucking Ark of the covenant. They're playing with. Yeah Yeah I do wonder how unique trump is going to be going forward like I. It seems like there's going to be all sorts of politicians who you're just at least willing to tap into the the racism in the vitriol. Who knows if they'll be as talented et hate-mongering as him but anyways rampal pure piece of shit. I just took a DNA test. The one hundred percent pure pieces shit shouts out to his neighbor. Who beat the shit out of him? Presumably for nose over cutting his lawn right it was like a properly. It's like the most peak like I don't give shut out of that guy the fuck. Why was it's just gave him a reason? Just give him a reason rand. Just give him a reason and finally Seattle crack in and is trending. Yeah sick. Do I mean Lisa crafting. What everyone's saying? Yeah I say I say released the crack jokes every day at work and everyone. Everyone thinks they're sick. It's always on the way to the bathroom and it just started weeping in the room straight. Heating Yeah I didn't realize that Seattle's getting a new oh NHL team ray and so right now. It's not confirm but the rumors are spreading that the team name there will be called the Seattle cracking. Yeah which is Kinda cool. Yeah it it sounds cool. Yeah the logo. Better be cool. I'm sure any NERD will love it. It's place in literature rep so so cool. Maybe maybe sponsored by cracking rum. Look I don't spit on. You know a Cracking Ramon see we can do is crack crack in one of those things I feel like it's one of those things that was cool for a while and won't be cool in a little bit but I could just be underestimating. Estimating how timeless the correctness way. How how long it's been around that? Just leave it at like. Cracking jokes feel like Zombie jokes. I I will release the cracking. It was a film that came out right. Movie was that we're there was someone said releasing and that's what D- Kit it dilly dilly fide Brac the crack. But it's like crack Indonesian. You make the logical okay right like the rafter a mythological the cool for a little while totally Alright that's GonNa do it for this Thursday We Are you're about to go out to meet a bunch of you guys. 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#167 - The Legendary GEORGE WALLACE!

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#167 - The Legendary GEORGE WALLACE!

"Oh Roddy everybody was going on board the show. Corey Ron Forster. Well read comedy. Dot Com w. l. e. d. just kicked my microphone. Does he our? Ad COMEDY DOT COM spelled. Just like the podcast. This week. We'll be in our houses because everything sucks and don't hit. Hope you guys are staying safe out there and staying inside if you can. If you're essential thank you so much for Doom what do risk and everything and I know. We all want to get back to work as soon as we can. But let's still try to be safe and stay inside flat net goddamn curve. This podcast is always brought to you by smoking. Boys DOT COM. Smokey boys real dot com to get all the rubs for all your mates and also. Car VODKA DOT COM. Do you want to get like the show? I bet you do well go carbon dot com and carve your own pat. You silly voted motherfuckers. I'm joined right now by the By compadres the two other musketeers trained drew. What's going on boys? Hey Hey stupid and radio up top. I'm just like I'm so I I can't not do it every time I'm doing the the top of the show announcements. I always hit this other gear. Which is like well. It's bill and I'll everybody the but it's like a muscle of some sort. I I was just talking to Dj on the other day because he wanted to show me something. His House and And then we talked for like forty five minutes in like ten in. I realized I was talking. We were being listened to. Yeah because doing podcast. The same APP within data this. You got those gears man. I guess so how you boys handling the bullshit this week. Anything bad or anything worse. I think Out WELL NOW. Now you go ahead. I was able to our unemployment. They would approve. We had enough dates. Make ENOUGH MONEY AS COMEDIANS. That were get unemployment because dates got cancelled and then week past week passed called him. See what was up. But what's the deal You you apply online and you have to re up every couple of weeks Saturday at me up still hang on the money and it said they. Send me money when you call. It says that they can't take any calls so I called a. Amy Got Fucking Debit Card associated with her unemployment because she mind boy and To ensure that I will she actually made more money than me last year but Some weird happened but I didn't get it and I'm not in opposition. Someone solid out on my mailbox. I think I have been robbed of Mont Employment. Just like my white trash roots. Yeah so my government SEC. I've ever did it. They need their check. Your science unlikely they. They're So I cancelled it. We'll see what happens Yeah that's what's up. I mean I don't I'm just you know Boulogne. Yeah like I don't have anything else to report. It's all business as usual over here for me. We started working out. You boy has lost seven pounds in the past. Three to four days I just stopped drinking and eight and three sandwiches a day. Yeah I'm a have slowed the drinking on working out. I'm probably mostly. I don't have scaled but I'll be in walk in like a I've been getting up every morning and like Elissa Conrad podcast at least one a day and they're usually about two and a half hours long and I walked the entire time that I listened to some. I'm not like running or nothing but like you know a good two and a half hour fucking trollop down the road. That's pretty good and and again I can't trollop what. What else is it. An attractive trial up down. The trial is like a British one British but she has to be British. We don't know trollop that trump's in British horse but what is it a a There's something that sounds like trump not gallup a Who CAN TRACK THERE? You go taking a track down the road and Gallup data. Go trick and Gallup trollop. That's where I went with but I can't stress enough. It's really the three sandwiches a day I've cut out. That's helping because when I say three sandwiches a day. Let me explain to you. What our main by sandwich. I don't mean like a couple of pieces of ham piece of cheese mayonnaise bread. I get these things called It's a pack. That's called a sub kit and has to make a whole twelve inch sub. It it's all the meat you'd want for twelve between two pieces of paper and you just take the thing off you. Put It on the paper. Well I just take one of them and put it on one regular sandwich bread search and just folded over and then throw two pieces of cheese on that slather it with is hit with the Franks hot sauce crumble. Every potato chip you've ever seen on top of IT SMASH IT CUT IT. Go in three hundred regular bread. Yeah but it's a twelve inch sub orth of meat and cheese on. They don't give you enough meat anyway. I mean fair but I'm all I'm trying to say is like it's not. It's not like I'm eating three. Fuck around sandwiches a day. I'm eating three book in Real Ass Man Sandwiches and injuring twelve beers. So leery just cutting out out. Tom Had to get fucked up tomorrow. I'm sure now that I'm talking. That's usually what happens is to start getting in the zone where I'm about to start bragging about how much weight loss that's my body just being like you're thinking about it. Aren't you think maybe you could use a day and then I'm going to eat a bunch tomorrow cycle and until lately they've been getting closer together by that. I mean I've been drinking more. My Saga will be a drink for like three days in that. Start to get to be four days when I started to be too anxious on my. I gotTA straighten up. I gotta I gotTa exercised and I did that for three or four days and I was maintaining that for a couple of weeks and then after three days of sobriety actual emotions third shot him through the bill with this either. I got a drink now. Yeah but the sober day started getting shorter and the drunk day started get longer and only recently. Am I trying to curtail that? And the last Michael ask kind of know when it's coming on is that I'll get way too fucked up our will start going dude. You're thirty two years old. That'd be thirty three. You're trying to become a fucking father. You gotta you gotTa kick this. You can't quit getting fucked up by yourself at the house like you were eighteen. Twenty again like this ain't right and then I'll get sober. I'll be sober for like five or six days. I'll start feeling so good because that's what happens when toxins leave your body. I'll start feeling really good. I'll get on a good sleep schedule and then I'll be feeling so great and then the weather will be good. I'm like you know what would make this day even better player and then I have not seen of them. And then it's the fucking here we go again. Yeah I've been. I've actually been working. I've been working out every day but I haven't been eating better. I don't I'm not really drinking very much. But y'all I mean I go in. Where food is concerned. I don't I don't think I said ballooning I don't think it's that bad just because I'm kind of stopping the blade and a little bit but I mean it don't have and the minute I think like I'm teetering on the precipice and that's with like I'm doing the elliptical lifting weights literally every day and. I'm still still fat Matt Dumb. I'm still fat. Domino not hit. So if you're doing the way to not change your diet at all like that's making you. Bigger not fatter but bigger so yeah like getting ripped and fat which by the way is a top fat for me and my body is capable of doing it but like that would hit for me if you become with looking and barrel chested are bears. Alien Butterbean. Yes like what? I almost look like without any work. Yeah I mean yeah man. You're muscular fat. I don't hit. I'll tell you what does hit though our guest this week. Legendary comedian George Wallace. We were so lucky mean said on twitter the other day when I posted a picture of. We're we're not worthy. I don't know why this has happened. But we are thankful that he came on here and we had a great Conversation about an hour long with George while he was nestled up on his on the twenty fifth floor there there in buckhead Atlanta. He came straight out the gate sling jokes and I think it was one of our best conversations. We've ever had on this podcast. If I may say so yeah I agree. It's phenomenal Georgia's phenomenal. Legend of the game. He's the first legend of the game to have sought to. You know fuck with us. Wait mentioned this toward the end of the podcast and we've mentioned many times before but the very first show of the well read tour. We've all done shows together. Plenty but the first formal show of the actual tour was at the punchline in Atlanta in two thousand sixteen and George Wallace came and came on stage said camel stay with us and did a little saying it was also madness was the very first night really elevated the whole like Holy Shit. This is wild nature they experience and he's been cold as hell ever since stayed in touch with them. You know he's just he's the best and he says normal hilarious south in this conversation. Yeah I get to tell I get to tell people all the time and this is true and it's just one of those things that no matter what happens to me or us on this journey that we're on that we're very to be on. You can never take away from a that one of my when you say. What are some of your earliest memories of the well? Read comedy tour the literal. I aside from waking up and finding out TRAE had a video go viral but like my little first memory is tied to George fucking Wallace so no matter what happens. I'll always have those fond memories and that's just so fucking crazy man like how. Cool him to do that. And you know also for coming on this God damn podcast because of some people out there. No He's been on this podcast before but it was when we were not that. We're not still stupid. Not that we still have some hiccups but like we really just jumped in You know with without any floaters on not knowing how to Goddamn swam in the audio absolutely shitty so it was to have him back when it was great to have him back. When we're all this shitty the audio as we just recorded today all four in different places and it's going to sound one hundred percent enter. Yep You're right well it is a good one and we hope y'all enjoy it so I mean here. She goes George Wallace RIBISI NEXT TIME SKIS. Ski there the NEXTSTEP. Thanks some people upset. They got dreaming up in waiting to call you all of a sudden. I'm watching DUMB ASS on. I'm looking at after. Six o'clock is up to Wallace joining the crew. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you so much man you said at six o'clock I where you're a man of the world. Where are you currently hold up at? Where's your quarantine going down Atlanta New York? Vegas wouldn't be no not vegas because the people crazy biggest. Yeah enjoy the people crazy here to grow. People Crazy in American news screwed either way. Yeah Yeah Georgia Corey is also in Georgia. You guys are hell bent on reopening rat in that. That's what Brian camps going to force everybody to do. Well Yeah you know. I need help. I told him to go ahead. I'M GONNA I'm getting a little saw. I definitely repetitive. Because I will have to go to hold people me a chisel saying people feed her hurting do but I gotta. We're doing okay. Here I go back to Las Vegas because they want to open up there too and I'm not. I'm not comfortable yet. I don't know about you guys but I'm not looking forward to build states now. I thought about the other day. Actually when Brian Kemp said he was going to reopen Georgia and then they showed that crazy lady who looked like several of our aunts kind of combined into one from Vegas talking about how they were gonNA open up and I thought about you. Damn Georgia's fuck no matter where he no matter where I go right You said you're not comfortable with yet. Which good on you. I don't blame him. Nobody could blame you but Are you do you have but like how are you feeling about being Corentin Tamed? For this amount of time. I is it getting to you. Aside from not being ready to chance it or anything like do you hate it or are you doing are with it or what a therapist lacking but himself stupid you know him. I am all with an. I'm I'm doing. I don't mind my house. I live in a book yet. I got a big bell. Kodak walk all around the balcony and I'm people stopping by the people are not going to do it and a cover band. He brings his friend. Jerry didn't Jerry there again here here and the latest. I hadn't seen a longtime Sara Lee so all yeah I have. I'm doing okay. You know like you guys. Were writing jokes doing what we can do you know. Yeah so you're on that same Corentin Diet that Many of us are on. I am certainly on and Corey his own as well. Oh yeah it's really bad. I'm the opposite my fridge. I have to stay within sixty of IT and I. I'm trying to stay six feet away myself John. I took my mirror moving into other rooms. I wouldn't be that close to me. I'm not even touching me when I get back to work when we go back. I ain't touching nobody okay no. I shook hands going to be a pretty much going to become an agent will be borrowing their. Hey since you since you brought that up I I wanted to make sure and ask what you're like projection is about us going back to work like as in live on stage in front of an audience. What you gotta guest for. When you think that's actually gonna be allowed you well like Corey was saying Las Vegas wants to open tomorrow right. Yeah and I don't think they're going to see me I hate to say this young comedians. That don't have a lot of work and nuts. financially secure. I don't see going back to Phnom saying this for me. I don't WanNa go back until August and I really don't care if I go back I just don't want to go back to whatever it is up to have a backseat out there. A a no more about what's happening. I'M NOT GONNA hurt a go back. Yeah no I mean I. I'm not I agree with you and I think I mean because I was talking to Joe Zimmerman's account for North Carolina lives in New York and We also talked to Roy. Wood Jr. on our podcast about this same Jack and they both were saying about New York. New York's real bad and everything and they were not neither one of them expects to be back on stage anytime remotely so Mike at Least August beyond because the way Joe put it he was like he was like look. It requires a lot of people kind of crammed together in a relatively small supply space. And it's pretty non essential compared to a lot of other services so I feel like it's going to be one of the last things return to normal and I feel like it's kind of hard to argue with our simile. I'm in I'm currently in production and not be show at the net flicks call daddy stopping harassing me. Star Jimmy box under second leading group and there's two hundred people don't everyday right and on a last date March thirteenth. Somebody tested positive on the set. And that's when everything shut down on something like Roy like they were saying to go back on everybody's so close it's going to be if Disney say they think they may not be back to twenty twenty one. Yeah about to hit when Disney says that and then all you know at the beginning of this I I knew it was serious but when the MGM Grand decided to shut down I was like Oh shit this is for real and now that Disney's like pump the brakes guys. I'm like Oh my God we really are in the middle of this island it was the the NBA for me. Because you know people like growing up they think basketball players Mitch. And it's like that Chris. Rock joke will check rich but the owner of the Lakers wealthy. And when you got those billionaire owners shutting down the NBA. Because people. Don't tell them what to do. I mean that's like the top of the if you own an MBA franchise your as rich as it gets our yard and they just shut down now. Like oh they're afraid well going back to the All right you're still there. Okay sorry about that. I have a bomb. Drywall on special. And I'm having my mice I don't WanNa go another one because my Christmas tree is on another one that you guys. Now you're doing. You're doing great with with that track found. It looks good. I was going to say a back talking about production. I talked to. This guy works production assumed the other day and he was talking about. How like. They don't know what they're gonNA do anytime soon. Either because of how like yeah people you could have people on the crew and everything wearing the mask and all that type of stuff all you want but like you can't do that with actors like you still have to fill in the saints with the actors and it's not like you have every actor surgical mask or have them staying in sixty two white from each other. You know what I mean like lightness. Button interaction right. So and in the second that any actor in any production gets corona virus after that decided overproduction back up. I mean you know huge liability as she writes over again immediately so he was talking about how they they're not taking any chances and he said that all the studios have plans in place for up to a year eighteen months from now. You're talking about Disney. Twenty twenty one you know. I guess a lot of them are already not if not planning on that for the middle. What right right. And he said that they that they are. Yeah I would say we're about to see a scenario not guys first of all you guys are twenty twenty one and twenty two so I'm very concerned about it. Yeah I'm not only AIDS but I'm African American and I'm not sure this thing is like I'm stupid. I'm going with all of the On the conspiracies. Okay all so they said black people can get an. I'm thinking I'm thinking what you're calling the black clay. We should call it. Because I'm just here I don't know about youngest now. I'm certainly worried especially where I'm from Which Peop people were talking on the last podcast? I think it was Roy and he was like our people where you're from taken serious and I said well I'd like to think so but I'm taking it so serious that I don't know how serious other people were taking it because I don't get out like I don't get out to even see if there's other people out you know I don't even go down the street and I've been told pretty recently author text messages. My friends that everybody around here has sort of just been like well. The governor of Georgia said it was fine. So fuck it we can all go hang out again so like. I'm more scared now than I was two weeks ago and it should be the opposite. My cousin owns one of the largest general mattis. He'll kindly drive you down to the alley and then get your ass up and take you down. You know if you're uninsured. Also I ain't going nowhere. Listen I've been on I've been here since March twenty four and haven't been out of my house and I'm I'm fine with you know. My daughter drove by to say hello and wave as the twin floor. Yeah keep my social. It's working it's working on me. I'm not nobody's comes in house about it. Goes OUT SO? I don't know what you guys are in Georgia. We're thinking we're not falling for that shit now. I'm not I'm not. Apparently all my friends are but my my you know as you said my big ass also is staying inside the House and I'm just waiting for the joke in Atlanta One. A lot about somebody. Koby governor's mansion just wanted to of what they said to close. There's the no but the governor has opened everything is about to throw epidemic going around the latest on pretty. Sure I know my rights. I WANNA go see. The governor's mentioned you can't come in as an epidemic. A pandemic right. So it's okay to go out in. The mail is to come to the government's Maxwell. That's like that that Mega Karen that Corey was talking about the mayor. Las Vegas when she had that interview with Anderson Cooper. She was talking about first of all. She literally said You. Now I would offer up Las Vegas a control group for this. You know research whatever Anderson Cooper goes. Are you saying that you would literally offer up the citizens of Las Vegas Basic Term Group? She Goes No. Don't put words. My math is not what I said what I said was I would offer up. The citizens of Vegas is a control group that I'm not. I'm not a politician but I'm just politician and then toward the end she said similar to what you were saying about Kemp's mansion. He asked her as well. You know are you going to be going out to the casinos opened back up and listen? I have a family like all the people that work in these casinos. Don't all have families and all the people going in and it's just so tone death and hypocritical you know bowel have said like Corey said. I'm thought I live off and I live in Atlanta and I live in New York City. I don't think I mean you're seeing that lady whoop walk through at the door. He's pissed off. We're fucking quarantine. Get the puck away from the door for apparently it was. I don't know I'll meet myself. Y'All talk I'll make my point. Good dog dog wants to talk. Let's talk talk talk But she I don't I mean that lady was dumb like that's just plain and simple but I think what she was saying is the mask is sort of all fear. The curtain has been drawn back. She has no other ideas. The people above her have no other ad is because they in no way what to give those working people in Las Vegas money to live off So she genuinely thinks she's doing good by saying let them go back to work. Otherwise they'll star. What do they let that go back to work? That's what she's saying but she wrong. We can hold on and we can wait until all right. I'll probably be hungry and alive than dead exactly well and also we don't have to go hungry. I mean you know it's like it's amazing. How they can do this. They can't do that and then in a day. They just gave away almost a trillion dollars and it was like. Oh you can't say that's not recant. The teacher's salary but all of a sudden you're saying they could be paying the teachers into town. Yeah me and my mom. Is You know as far as conservatives go. She's a good one but she's still a conservative and we were talking the other day about. She's like you know Corey. I get. That were quarantined. And this is safe but like there is going to come a time win. Enough's enough and it's a tipping point and we're going to have to go back to work and I was like I agree with you. One hundred percent. But we ain't fucking there yet like we have not reached that point yet. We're not there yet. Exactly like yeah. Of course. I know that. There's only a finite amount of money but when we got you know thirty and forty tanks sit in one desert never going to see action that cost a goddamn billion dollars a piece. I think we can work out something in the budget to get me some cheese slices for another couple months Corey. They is no but you know what there is printers and as long as we got we got money. We don't have to print them money. George we could just take some Amazon says. I didn't pay any taxes. They've already got enough money to go. Grab some dude. You're crossing the line. They might be listening to us. They listen they. Don't listen to me George. If I get the same as you they will kill me definitely. They definitely sent me the microphone that I'm talking into right now so I better shut the fuck everything dinner tonight. I got boxing fan of my house Amazon Amazon. That's all I'm doing this origin. I'm GonNa what you guys are doing. Now you've been going to the grocery store with mass in glove and all that like every two to three weeks and that's just to get out man. I ain't going there. Everything's delivered to my house. I ain't going to the grocery store. I ain't going no other toll buildings. I don't want to get on Elevator Christie Buds. I don't want anybody to get on. An elevator went along Alabama. I might have male downstairs. I might never six dollar technology. I don't know probably do. Six dollar checks is lying around. It just occurred to me. You have lift you- you've been elevated as you haven't even been on the ground floor of the world. That's great but I can say from here Arkansas. You're on the top floor. I have a beautiful view of midland right across the street from groups clouds. I see everything that's going on in the actually does nothing on Atlanta. It's Shit. We had a three car accident doubleday. Now let me ask you guys a quick already. There's only three cars on the road. Thanks man I think they were sitting there going. Is that really another fucking car? And by the time they figured it out exactly but it's so much fun sitting here don coming up with these little funny jokes on over there. I only live five minutes from the airport. I did. I live in Atlanta only communist man. I do not know that there's no traffic. You know a wide open. You can drive on either side of seventy five eighty five. I decided to freeway you'd be good whatsoever. Let's talk about sitting there working on the jobs and stuff. We also ever committed we since all this started. I've we've asked him out. Have you done any of these? Like online shows that some comedians been doing I have not coriander. They've done a couple hosted by their comics. Have you you know what? I'm talking about if you ventured into those waters at all. I've done a few because that's how I'm staying staying alert. Staying alive and people are watching to the Steve Harvey Morning Show. They have aside. Show that we're doing and I'm not. I'm doing the talk next week. I'm doing a whole lot. I'm doing everything I can because I got nothing to do but just make up shit when need to talking fence. So yes I do as much as I can but Have you done like a like a comedy show with a digital like live audience? Where you're doing stand up. Okay I did it. I do you feel about it last night but I did. I've done my job. I'm doing so many that I forget Mike EPPs. It's quite a few of the. He's I'm doing lack of Fila batum. I'm GONNA show called the well rich show a right now. You can talk and having fun. I'm doing nothing else here. God Our our good friend. Carmen Morales compared to Methadone. And I think that's a pretty at metaphor it's like it's not what I'm addicted to. But it's keeping me going you know. Well he's wrong about that picture to this. I know nothing else to do is better than sex is better than drugs. I just love. I listen to you guys all day as long as we're lacking I'm loving. I'm living I'm alive. We can laugh love all day ever ever. We got the greatest in the world. We might not ever get paid again but we just love. You just made me sell. You made me so happy for a moment and I was like he's right. It's about to be my hobby again. Yeah it's a beautiful. George Christine from the twenty Fifth Floor. Haven't had a career. We just started. I hope you saved a little money. That's that you're making you alright. All right yeah. We'll be be okay. Hey drew do you have the you had some questions for that? We got from the Fan. Did you look at the actual like junk from us? I live in moved out here in Januar- Liberal Elber Somewhere in Queensland. Yeah Yeah I did I lived in. I lived in Woodside. That's where I lived in without one wants something like the other than what's up. Forty streaks number seven training for the streets I lived one-stop past you in Corey Very briefly lived three stops asks that Yup accurate and I stayed. I stayed at that one. What was the ask state? Most of the time at Donovan's bar which was on drew. Stop so even. I didn't sleep there but stay dare to every time. We come in Georgia Sweet Home Alabama on the Jukebox. You'd never told them. We weren't from Alabama just S. Close enough that's fine. Yeah that's fine. I wish I could meet you guys the White House on Queen's Boulevard there and I know that White Castle I know you do no matter how rich you are no matter how rich you are who you are. Three o'clock in the morning you feel pretty good. You're going to stop the cycle. Hey Oh yeah oh yeah well I mean I'm more accustomed crystals you know Growing the same thing is closely. Yeah Yeah we just didn't even have them in Tennessee. When I was a kid white castles I mean. But why how? Better Bras Rosen. After frozen Castle Fraser route. Now trying to make a long time. You got throws it's not it's way more egregious. You're really too old to be eating ship who I know to you. Stop trying to make up for time. Apparently just trying to lose more of it just shaving more for a car. I was trying to find my pizza. Hut Fox in the kids that I was going to but I got my little chicken lanes come in Awe George. We asked for some questions from the fans. Now I will tell you. I've got some decent ones here but I will tell you that ninety percent of the questions where how do we get rid of trump or wind? Can we get rid of trump etc etc? So I don't know if you WanNa just generally tell trump fuck off or if you don't that's fine too I just wanted you know that ninety percent of the questions were about him. Well not only pissed at trump right now because of all of this his aunt now just turning down. I'm starting to get pissed at duct lady. Doctor Burke is what's her name. Yeah mark or the scar on her later but describe on Piston hurt on opposed to. I'm pissed at all these guys. They go through everyday. It's about ten minutes. Wait a fucking. I'm pushing a guy are protected guy. He's likes to say stop with the Bullshit I need to be. I need to journalism. Just say trump. The trump with sensors are going to be my first day and my last I might as well say cat. I got everything you signing the check. You WanNA put your name on check. People getting make sure you put your name on the death certificate student. Ooh Our great question for names like we got our letter today from trump. It's from the IRS. Somehow he got the shit you want to be right behind probably downstairs on the God. Yes so yeah well we just got got about. Yeah Yeah Core. You trae you anybody but him. He is weird signature and now I don't like that I also don't like that it's really it's really weird like I mean I. I know that everybody you know always compares dry. They do the trump Hitler thing any chance. They can get his signature. Looks like some fear or does it not that? I don't even look like a signature. It looks like a Nazi symbol. It's very it's very weird and and you know the whole thing. Is you either ride out your name or you just do the two squadrons what you're right. Yeah he did. What the fuck was that? But for every letter right. That took him longer to do than just riding fucking English. He's an idiot. Do let me tell you something. You know what we talk a lot of Shit because we watch these things. You're the smartest people were. How great would this country? Comedians were in charge. Now the right malt for like a week and a half George and then one of us fuck it. Let's try this. That's not true. We would be really great because at least we would tell the truth and do the right thing you know. Take care of people you know we got like you were talking about all of the tanks. They're not doing a day. We've got these fucking airplanes billions of dollars each hated speeches. Most security kids schoolteachers. Got nope in spending money out of their pockets. Yeah Iran tablet. But it won't be long before we are roast and potent and North Korea and said it all off Pelosi. Wouldn't run the Goddamn lot though? I promise you that repeal enjoy the country people that all of the countries North Korea Iraq Tech. Everybody want a nuclear weapon. Fucking we got plenty. Give Him some love hours? But we're going to keep the switch Laos now that is that is the most gangster way to go about that. Just go ahead and give everybody a nuclear weapon. Lot fucking do something. You're GONNA keep those. Yeah Yeah you poke up. Yeah go ahead. You mentioned North Korea. What are you thinking about Kim Jong? Hoon that whole thing. You GotTa theory you Saturday right. Congratulations Kingdom hundred dollars. I don't know if something is wrong. And how they how they do in those Communist countries. Something is wrong. I don't know what it is. So yeah right yeah. I wouldn't be surprised by anything like you know. What a main like. If he's been dead for weeks now and then they don't admit that till months either and you know so he got killed fighting a Bald Eagle or whatever I'll make up but Or or if he's like if he ended up being fine and has been holed up in some bunker just letting the virus burn third the rest of North Korea while he eats eclairs Shit. I've surprise me either. Have you guys been to North Korea? Hail now have you saw. I was with the US government. I worked at a gun so we were entertaining the troops all over the world so stupid entertainers that went over. I really go into North Korea but I was at the D Z. So they let us cross the line and I went thirty seven times. You know line about that so I was double Dutch and fix it technically cooking. I walked across line way ahead of time. They called me back. I didn't know but I went to Russia. I went to East Berlin before the wall down and the communist life is completely different. It's just like nothing you've saved it for. Everything's going great. And that's what. It was like when as I could see as much as I could see in Austria but I don't live in those places we second come there. You know what? I'm wrong on so wrong. Shanghai Communists I wa you. You're saying you've been there and it's all right gang high street blocked in New York City and three times more modern New York City. And you're right you don't know what the Hell I thought it was. Communism based on the street just like they got more. Mcdonald's they got a haagen-dazs icecream on every. Kfc is going crazy over there. So I don't know how come you know. I don't know how it works. 'cause make the difference between a dictatorship and then some other more somewhat decent form of government. But you know and then some of the richest people in the world liberties communist countries. Now when I was a kid they taught us that communism everybody they did or the government told him to do and they had pretty much made the same salaries. I don't know what's going on but communists. Have you ever been to Cuba? Nobody wanted to go. I don't want a now. Something happened over. I don't own the last year or so. They say it's really beautiful. It's not great or any of that like Russia used to be and it's gorgeous and everyone has good health etcetera etcetera. But like if you go into a store you can only get like five. You know what I mean like. There's not a lot of variety of American Bay that you're GonNa get to talk a paper on right. Yeah that's sort of the response now is like they've been warning this that of the Communism in America will starve and have red lines will now look out. We're all having read lawns and told him. Oh my God keep talking. Well do you want me to ask you some of these non-political questions to asked me anything? I got nothing to do and nowhere to go out. I didn't write down. Who wrote them? So you know. College is through taken away. Someone's moment in the Sun. I really like I can tell by the question I don't know beyond what is the biggest shit you no longer give ship. This is somebody. This is somebody who's been reading okay. I don't give us alley. Picks UP I don't give a I don't give me a break is a hapag lost a whole milk and a whole half a man. I don't give a Shit Matt Mr Wireless. You may not give a shit but if you get a whole glass half and half half a whole milk you might not give us you take one. That's a good tag. Don't give a shit I do. I do love that joke but I'm also generally curious. Is there some? You gave a lot like that you cared about as a young person and now you're just like fuck it. Too Short up always enjoyed life from day one. I wanted wanted to be a comedian since six years old. Okay and light and spend wonderful for me. I don't know I used to watch. The comedian dumped. Ep locked. When you start laughing you stop doing what we do. You take as I wrote the book. Laugh at all and you take everywhere you go. I could do what I'm doing all my life I've been doing. I've been doing come in Audie or years. I think when I open the show now I have to thank God but what I do. I live my career and I. It's it's just make up shit. Let's do just make up shift That's I live. Ju Don't match you the more. I live everything alive no matter what you do. Everything does allow in Fox. Does anybody knowing about it but wanted to publish. This house have been fucking lying to me. Listen to me everything is alive no matter what you do this all go to. Church. I'm you know my head is crazy. People at lying and church preach everybody. Close Your eyes and pray. You might buy your hip. I is not closed around. My mom used to tell me boy clothes on you know I do today. It's all about a lot no matter what you do and talk about so I don. I don't give a shit about a lot of time and then I left what I did so I hope you guys enjoyed company like when we get that when we get to do stuff like this how yeah. It's great yeah. Yeah and when put a twist on everything lined up. I want to also tell people I want to be the greatest ball soon world. That's my goal. I'm trying to be the greatest bullshit in the world. The right now trump is kicking. Yeah one thing. I don't like about people who are instrument so many of them won't admit that he's so good it would do because they're not falling for their. He's terrible he's a terrible are. I'm like no. He's not leaves him kicking my ass and also department. Do you watch your you and tell you. I didn't say what you thought I said are you. Then they'll say that he didn't stay what he said like he'll just say say. I didn't really say that. And then all of his biceps like yeah. Now he didn't say that literally video of him site and like the bleach thank thing like they're all they're all just like he didn't say that you know like they will they sent me. I made a joke about that. And some people from my hometown on. Sit Me the transcript of him saying that as proof that he didn't say that a journalist was sitting there should say hours. You're just my dad and you say I saw what you say you say now. He's saying it was sarcasm rise. He clearly learned last week right. He comedians don't even get to claim that we were being sarcastic. When we make a really really offensive joke in our whole demeanor is supposed to be sarcasm so fuck that shit a lot sometimes rising good like I used to joke about Bill Clinton stick to stick no matter what he's got have sex with that. I could run the tape and I would tell the people you know if I did not know that was not me? I would say that's me but in that situation in that situation trump did one of two things. There's literally only one of two things that he did. He either truthfully suggested that maybe we ingest clorox old in our veins or through our mouth. He either actually said that or he was being sarcastic. Which means that. He is so callous about the situation that he doesn't mind that someone would interpret him that way. Which means that he's irresponsible. So he's either a dumb fuck or he's super irresponsible neither of which deserve to be behind the podium during a pandemic so realistically. I don't give a fuck. What he was doing. Either one was stupid. Can you be all of the above? Yeah absolutely yes for sure. Well he's an Aso but the part of the Marines that the people that that can't see it. That's what ticks me off the people that can't see it But this guy's crazy. Even Bob was a Publican. I will have to the governor of Maryland today. Say you know just can't go round San Stupid Shit and be responsible for what you say in the League. The country's at the at least end up in say something decency something right. So he's not being really really great going almost at a great leader. He's not a great. I'm I don't know I can't say but I send Fuck Okay and I'm a Christian comedian and I don't WanNA use the word. That's okay. Trump claims to be a Christian as well. You know what this is To Caribbean medical. What somebody should do some one of the journalists they should start with the president as the lead of the world? Would you like we got all these people? Dying like lead us in prayer for second. Even what you're saying. Hail now with the weird like didn't he wants and thank God for himself. I mean I know but yes. It was just insane from Ricky Bobby where he was thanking Gatorade for sponsoring the fucking prayer. He That was always still is weird to me him being lauded by Super Christian conservatives but like he initially like earlier in his campaign before became such a huge thing that was one of the few things he wasn't even really bullshit about like he wouldn't even claim to be very Christian himself and then if became this huge you know advantage for him and they were holding him up. Finally we've got Hollyman in office. You know what I am. And now he'll he'll play that card but like he wouldn't even do that himself to begin with and he's the biggest bullshitter on earth like juggle all. Do you write hobby in how you calling Benjamin Benjamin Van Djelic radicals and the Bible's firm one. Turn to your bibles one. Seven says Alliance Not Terry Musser. How could you follow a liar? You know the guy as lying in that you support a lawyer right there in front of you. He done delicacies. You know all of the wrong things. He's he's done everything that the Bible say don't do he's got full wise everything ground. They stand right up there going well. Well well right. And Barack Obama lead the congregation in amazing grace in Charleston. You know and and yet he was a secret Muslim Kenyon or whatever and then and then Donald Trump does all the show you said. And he is the holy man and replacement but they've been looking for it's just so baldly just bullshit you know like you say like you can't understand how people don't i. It boggles my mind. How they don't. The mental gymnastics put themselves through successfully to be able to actually talk about again mental gymnastics. That's what they don't like. Oh my God. That's so great underwrites out. Can't well I mean I heard like it's J I m C K S Nasty. I Dunno gymnast. You're not nice to Peter. Worked THEM DOWN TO PLAY situation but I hope not differ Hope if we don't have a second way of this virus around next September October November. I'm thinking all the conspiracies in my head so people can't vote. I'll write you mentioned. You said we just got a vote. And then we can't we kept on Go and at the time I was gonna say something about like. Are you worried about that? Exact thing happened in like them BURP ASLI trying to fuck up the vote. They're very talked about like out the all. The reasons that vote by mail wouldn't work. I live in California. We vote by mail. It works just fine the entire order. Does it like we'll spot? It's not a lot of countries. Do it for every single election. There's no reason why you can't do that at Madeira already. China make up much bullshit reasons why that won't be feasible and it's just they're definitely going to try to pull any bullshit. I can come election time especially if all this shit is if there is a second way like you said if we're back in the thick of it. I mean they'll do whatever they can get. Wave comes on real strong less post only election and have it later when it gets better could go on for another year so but we've got to. They've got to come up with something. Congress that we must vote. Yeah I agree. It's the only I thought the whole time. I knew he would never get him. He did get impeached but I knew he was. Never GonNa get removed. I knew he was. Never GonNA resign. Knew that Shit was ever GonNa Happen to me. The the only the whole time was just sir actually had but now of course this happens. I'd like you said we have to protect the election happening at all costs. Whatever they will fuck it up anyway that can will already are going to be in rooms right now or zone meeting already planning to if another pandemic wave doesn't hit to pretend one does or do anything that they and I tell you. I'm telling you fell. You're in for four more years. Oh Yeah for sure. I hate to say it but I mean it's not going to have we are GonNa vote like you have never seen before we agana boat. I hope that we do and I hope it don't cost people their lives to help voting. Don't kill him you know. Because of the virus they need to just do vote by mail. God Damn it sorry. Sorry if if the government says are said it but now I just it's it's so so clearly You option. He's telling his words. It's just if the government wanted some money from me Senate to them in the fucking my vote. It don't make no sense what tipping doesn't map. Yeah it don't matter let's do it. We got me a bill every. Goddamn here in the mail I'm GonNa give you got a social security number. You should just automatically. Just what would? Let's take a day off to do it. I don't give a shit ruling it make it a holiday holiday. It should be. You can both thirty days in advance. Are you GonNa Wait Day? Whatever you want whatever. You are going to have a question for you that That I no reason preamble it. Who is the craziest outright? Craziest person you've ever met. God does a comedian named David tyree used to be looked like Richard. Pryor worked. A Sam Donaldson is up there too. I have no doubt committee who Jason Tell us. A kenniston story Kennison when he first showed up at the Communist. Oh we thought he was the Devil Mandy. Come on over coach and they had an air was on this fucking guys crazies. The Anti Christ and all of a sudden crowd came on after drip for years Scout. Everybody this guy is crazy Mexican. Get an ordinance. So that's a local media no matter what you do you know the market everybody across but no matter what you do fills your silence. Sounds Kennison was just absolutely crazy but What about what about like Audience member in years at a show. You did or one of your like the craziest. Shit you've ever had a crowd member do during before after any of that or I don't know about critical but I'll tell you what I've got five heart attacks door my show. Are you serious? Utah People in Audit. Yeah really not me but people in order on a heart attack. I did the state from arena. That's what it's called now Last year it was called the took folks arena. Yeah that's actor. I did a show February fifteenth up to here in Atlanta beard. Omic you guys. This local joke for the Georgia voice is good compared to back. It's not the army. I'M GONNA shoot. I'm sorry is good to be here. Philips arena is not as estate. Bummer and I'm going. Oh this is Wanna she said it looks like the Shisha pipe broader tax and Last year in Atlanta. It was right on the floor. Paramedics came in. I don't states like Joe another twenty minutes because I wanted to attention. I'm pretty good at this. I'm pretty good one. St When I tell you guys I kill but he has some of the craziest thing to happen to me. You don't stop the show. Keep the tension on me decided to stay dry medics at work in have a lot of heart attacks. Anything crazy happened my audience. I don't know how do you Do you keep it going. You said you move to the other side of the state and surely requires a little bit more than that. Look at me. Look at me. Started the lights up. Really start to articulate very well so people can understand my jokes cable company. Don't be tension to the dead man over there. You stick to the jokes this. Let it wherever you are in the act you just keep going from. That went exactly and I know what's going on on the floor. That's my job. Once ahead I was become go ahead. Fifteen thousand people in the lights went out. Get me on a microphone at Bullhorn and flashlights. Immediately I kept the show going. The lights are just completely dark and the promote the show gave me a brand new TV back in nineteen eighty flat-screen screen at that thing was heaviest. Fuck wasn't that was it. Nope he's you saved my. You saved my show that whole night. Eighteen thousand people in the audience or whatever it was because I kept the show rolling for forty minutes double likes came back on otherwise people panicked and ran out of the auditorium and they never what about comeback in the show would have been over that. That's a big thing all the lights when else after forty four years. I've done a lot of crazy ship. I've half of that reminds me I. I got a question at forty four years in the business of you And obviously not ask you to ninety nine. Drink thing like that but like working with you said you got a Netflix show. Now you've been in this game long time. People are where there's a lot of like lunatic. Hollywood story like with suits executives and stuff like that is being monsters every day with paper. And do you have any advice on how to deal with that when you cross paths with somebody like that or does everybody just love you? George listen often have too many experiences. He might might go. I never wanted to do television movies. I never wanted to be any big shot drains. My goal was to just let me work Las Vegas about two years after being in the comedy. I think it's Fine Villain I. It's always me inside. Bonus model train is over. We're talking about some comedians. Now Las Vegas laid three hundred thousand dollars back in the day. Get enough made us all. I need to make three hundred dollars. Just let me do got to Las Vegas. I was working with the loss of nine hundred seventy nine and I said Oh my God. I'm here then. I went to Las Vegas own my show and two thousand or more like dude up reach my goal. I've got everything I ever wanted to do. Now I gotTA look for a new golden onto a new thing so now. I'm getting a little involvement. Tv I mentioned the show gender punks but I I have to show right now so then he stopped embarrassing. Me was me Fox. Also have a new deal with the man Norman Lear. Ninety seven years old. Yeah a brand new deal with him and we're on hold right now because they and gender I saw ran on the back of a golf cart with him. One time on the Internet. I think my wrong you are so right. It was three of us. Lebron trucks so I went back to normally us. It's about time for boot or re-something of sample inside. He said you can't do them. Why don't you too young show? I'm a back with a friend of mine that I wrote a book. Deal Laverne Cox. So Much. Talk was about him. So I'm GONNA do Sanford and son when we re boom in He used to. Here's the story Samsun. Those guys named Edward was my son. I didn't know historic because the black guys local Alabama and old is. Their job was to just put food on the table and take care of the house. I do not know his situation but Edwin being of who he was an AETNA antea. The mom died he moved to New York to be he will be. We wanted to be in knocks on the door. Thirty S late dead issue son. Who who are you? Why Right transgendered. Yeah now the plot surplus is something and door right. Okay we got. We got to educate everybody. I gotTA learn because I don't know anything about it. The city of Mobile Alabama's gotta learn anything about it. We're going to take it onto the black church you know. They hate anything not transgender. They don't WanNa spend it on the bench for having half her ship. Every time I call him the him dollar in the in the jar so is some is something new when you learn about because you don't know a lot about transgenders potential learn it and just to be educated right right so are all help her running for layoff he may not win but it will create awareness. Everybody's launch of some problems in Liberia dealing with any situation. It could be alcoholism. It could be anything but we just want to educate the people who have some fun and most of all educate people about love. Did you say again again Dan? You you yeah yeah yeah. He's awesome dude and he's got that's a personal subject for him. I believe That was the choice. Also Bam you gotTa Drake and I've met Norman Lear twice and it was crates like at ninety seven now. I met him so. We're not the two times that I met her. Name's probably ninety six so you know not not spring chickens stuff is just like a year ago and he's like insane the sharp and on top of it all. When I saw him he was talking about. Tv The whole time used on about TV shows and what works? And what don't all this stuff and it was Incredible he's got podcasts at his age. It's also he's just like I. It's wild I mean he's like one of those got Pike Yeah. Didn't you say that he knows what's going on about work normally everywhere? Every time we had a meeting he showed up. So if you shows up from the top president everybody meeting throw he said Shit like we walked out of embassy. He says we did a little reading on. Lokeren myself with reading show so he says president so we gotta deal to what he could just do that. Yeah Oh yeah Oh yeah. What just certain making the guy do we have do. We have amazing. And it's so sharp. We're doing one thing. I don't like to read a lot. I just like to do it myself. And the Director. Yeah. Let's just do that. Let you talk about Solar Brennan. I went back and back and forth and got the position. You're in what those guys those Those sorts in there and he's eight bucks and he told me someone you say fuck and I never thought he would tell me to say fuck employees television pickle to just make sure that taught was made you know what the fuck pretty short. Tv direct to tell you to save up when he came out of an Era. Where you can even say is right. You got US thinking. He always has been on one of the story I tell about meeting it was pretty crazy. I said it was like last year. It was actually like two years ago. At least I the first time that he was only ninety five. Who gives a shit now but that will be relevant to tell them. The story of the story was one year ago. It was two years ago and but it was like eight years ago when you trace famously full of Shit. So that's actually is important to the story telling because what the wildest thing that I remember about meeting normally for the first time is that he met me new like very whatever just the the cliff notes version of my wholesale or whatnot and he starts. He starts pitching out. A starts. Just spitballing off his head about like a TV show that he thought would be good for somebody like me. You're this Norman Lear. Doty's I really think about these just like workshop and something just coming straight off the down with it and it was essentially The righteous gemstones on HBO but that show was not. It didn't exist yet. Like my point is he kinda just like just off the cuff. Just ruled this. Show that that is now on. Hbo and was just Claire. Once I and he didn't know nothing about it he was just saying it and they were. They're totally it's just parallel. Thought they're totally unrelated. But his crazy to me. That Norman. Lear Kinda just came up with the concept of that show on a whim at lunch one day. And now it's like you know ahead on. Hbo With Danny McBride and everybody the same concept is it's pretty crazy. 'cause he's ninety five years not great. Zimbabwe to us to you. Yeah I keep your own do your own come up with this in which the transgender and it was three months before you get back to us because he was rebooting all in the family and the Jefferson all of those but we got telephone calls. Okay now let's go to work. Yeah Sharp Well unfortunately George. We're about to come up against time here. I'd say it. I know you can talk to you guys. I know. Here's the here's the drew up another question. Do you have one more question? Just going on the rest of a thought into Turtleneck when you're down your neck and your journey do when you down your shirt. Your leg is the same color yellow neck having ass mother fucker. D- You got the respect. You got the love everything you guys do. Just want to talking to. You need to know that. So that would George. You should know that you have a standing invitation to come on the well. Read podcast literally anytime you would like to. Yes always still had one day and he said that the next night I showed up his meaning so we won't take too met needs to Georgia. You told me to come back and work. It was very funny. Well now what? It really means a lot. Doesn't we very much appreciate it? We all of us still tell the story all the time about how the very first show of our like actual tour. Welcome to over the three of us together. The very first night of it you came into the set now landon. We like it was just inside really added to the surrealness of the night for us. And how awesome everything was and you really elevated all of that they were just colas hell and we still tell people all the time so we love you man. We can do that again. I would like we would love to have you on the day that they finally make comedy legal in whatever wherever wherever you WANNA go anytime we're around and you're around anytime little just one day emir in the same area anytime that ever happened to go back to where we were. Actually we were supposed to be in Atlanta this past weekend That's where we were supposed to be at but obviously that didn't happen. Yeah I've been keeping up with all the places we're supposed to be governor. Wasn't foul air live around the corner from that was about one day? Everybody would you forgot. Did you say you're in Boca now around the corner from Fox told you that before? I think we're going to be at the bug theater this weekend. Yeah that's that's the same place swelling right behind. Yup. That's what I'm going to look right now at guys if I can get up around beautiful. That's Great Balcony L. Yeah Dhaka's long has helped. Its way around all the way around so this is where I did my exercise but Oklahoma underwear porch. Well we've out lost your video there. George can't you can hear you. That's not well anyway. We were again. Just thank you so much for joining us again. And you know can't wait to you. Know reconveyed down the road. Thank you guys. Listen something good is going to happen to you whether you like it or not. Keep a smile on your face. And keeper La Okay when you saw Yeah thank you very much joe and George Bye bye. Thank you all for listening to the well read show Louisville stick around longer but we got to go to the next week. If you've got nothing to do thank you. God bless you good night and who?

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Special 40th Anniversary Show  "The Godfather of Comedy"

Standup Comedy "Your Host and MC"

34:50 min | 11 months ago

Special 40th Anniversary Show "The Godfather of Comedy"

"This. Is Another episode of standup comedy, your host and emcee celebrating forty plus years on the fringe of show business stories, interviews, and comedy sets from the famous and not so famous. Here's your host and emcee Scott at words, Hey Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to this week's show. It's a special anniversary edition. That's right. August seventh of nine thousand nine, hundred, Eighty I. I opened my doors of laughs unlimited my comedy club chain and we were so lucky at the time to have our very first headliner be the godfather of comedy. We have him here online today ladies and gentlemen. Let's hear for George Wallace. George. Thinking to no good morning wherever you might be in. Two Thousand Twenty and We started back sometime ago. At the world famous last minute though. It was laughs in the mid and we were in the basement of a restaurant in old Sacramento the opening act was garry shandling. and. Then we had comic magician Peter to Paula in the middle, and then our first headliner was used Sir Mr George Wallace. Chain Conductor George Wallace because I know what I'm doing now. Of thank you for having me back in the day to. Get Opening Kleiner what a wonderful time what a wonderful audience what a wonderful city if you're. Becoming to Sacramento and company was very on. Very new and you may not remember that it was very sold out every show if. So I think we did three shows on Saturday, it was crazy but it was fun. You go all new and I just can't imagine most importantly opposite watching a photo yesterday. Made with my good friend Gary. shandling. Gerry. Shelling water. For him wait guy now a photo of bus traveling to Sacramento together getting on a vehicle, the meat pit pocketing him faking his notes out of his pockets. Come to your club. You're do you`re The most important thing is that. We were knew we were kids. We were excited. Club Scott at was totally excited and it was like It was like heaven being in the club no seats open everything sold out. Who you could ask for a better moment making people happy and and wanting Gary and wafting now Gary let's make one thing perfectly clear okay Jerry. Opening. With also, I. Yeah. No. That's true. He was actually already starting to headline, but it was as I show I. Don't know if you knew this George, it was the first show out of his hometown Phoenix Arizona that he had done and he was so good already that even though you were the headliner the first week in the grand opening of the laughs limited chain he was the headliner the second week he stayed through in headline the next week by Garry shandling was definitely one of the best and I will. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Now you tell me that the first week on my mind and then second week he was better than me than Oedema or you thought you bring him back the second week they hit line. Now I'm. Finding the information now. We are let's say they have maybe Peter Right thank you done because Gary Generating was certainly and still today is not whether but man as good. Friend of mine was break million. We've always been friends since day one day you depart yeah. He was an amazing guy and I don't know just to give everybody idea that's listening You had already been doing comedy for three or four years and you're in New York City with Mark Chef Larry Miller and Seinfeld people like that, right? That, what science I of course people know Ben, a lot of people don't know that I'm actually real George on Seinfeld don't know on the one that was. Thirteen years people don't know that I'm the best minutes until the wedding in a lot of people don't know that our father until kids. So so yes, I started off with these guys at March than them, all of the young comedians that you mentioned earlier and to be able to come up to Sacramento never forget with. Geared up together and. To, be able to you know and and being scanning hotels motels you were one of the very few people that put us up in an apartment or something of the sort. Yeah. And and we we live together and the club. Any absurd minnow, the people were so great. That people so great and just being able to do the job. And having people walk out of the club with another line waiting to get in. Yeah, it was. There was a real excitement about standup comedy at the time I feel like I was really blessed to get into the business at that time and just to give you a little history, George Doritos, and where the way I met. You was that I had initially hooked up with Dave Kuei and Bob Sagat and. They were giving me a lot of advice on how to open the club and it was actually Bob Sag at the introduced me to you and said man, you gotTa have this guy be your first headliner. Bob Saga is idiot. I felt to him day. He has always been an idiot he always will be. and. It's amazing that. Talking forty years here and we're still kids we know kids through the eight. Oh. My God. You talking about some kind of come lottery that was established back in the day when you put up seconds name and we all still love each other just like Scott. If we got together today, we talk about each other like talk we got no I don't know what it is. We just love each other where. The comedy world is A fraternity that not many people can do do today. And just knowing faggot back in the day and and he I'll go ahead and thank him for referring me to you ED. And I was just a crazy guy. I guess I was one of the guys at the time and that's why I said use me we you're so. You're so funny Georgiou move moving up through the ranks and doing TV shots ahead of some of these other guys, I mean they're all famous now and they all have a reputation I mean Seinfeld Sega Larry Miller Dave Korea you can't top these names but at the time everybody was an unknown, you George would already starting to get some TV spots and doing some of those early drop in. Before they were I have years on death get out, right? Right and I. think that was we were just lucky to get in on that. Now besides opening the club in nineteen eighty, you did work for me several times in the early eighties you did have really strong. Career path because you were opening up for in concert people like Diana Ross and smokey Robinson you you were doing a lot of big shows. Come John You name it Paul. Anka. Arthur. Goal was to. My ultimate goal has always been to. Work Las Vegas headline and I'll say I was never a guy that wanted to do TV shows, movies or anything like that on I wanted to do was go out and do a personal appearance in front of live audiences and when you're club open, it was deep as for me I don't know these people and lined up the same eight and we all we have with a lot of fun and with my personnel know my personnel is about on and loving everybody I just loved everybody and at the time you had a great. which what's happening at the time and actually one of the portion ti filming the black got hit like your club. That was not that many black comedians in America that Oh that's true. That's very true. You were one of the few black entertainers. Making the circuit at the time of course, picked up a lot down the road a little bit. But you were at the time but you you were so good at not. You know you were the one of the first people. It's interesting because there's other comics that made a career. All about race and I think one of a one of the reasons of your early success was. Race never was involved in your conversation. You were just funny. That's what it's all about. You know it walkers rating in Manila I talk about anything and everything now. But. Like I say by audience to date right now, I'm based in Los Vegas about well, we're going to be because I went to Las Vegas to the Mingo back in two thousand, four And thirty eight and doughnuts thing there ten years at the Mingo I did not work for the wholesale actually own by room inside the hotel I records of Work Las Vegas more than any African American entertainer. In the history of Las Vegas Block Lena Horne. Junior omagree. Why did the marketing over there? They called me the new. Miss the biggest I. Teach Mike. No weather early age. And everybody about these young white, black. Old. Hypothesis Gang Bangers, and still to this day that's about audiences. So I loved it fan look it at the Time Warner Club and I'm still working after forty fat. It's amazing. George have had a great career. So let's catch the audience up in the eighties. You're doing a lot of clubs on the road, which is a hard way to live but then you succeeded in getting a lot of television spots like you mentioned the tonight show the Letterman show on many many others you were doing. It Oprah. Right and then you were opening up for big names like George Benson as we mentioned, and then you also did a lot of drop INS and movies. I, mean, haven't you made some sort of appearance in ten or twelve movies Well I think it's more like thirty, five, thirty six. No. Really that many. India, you look thought looking back he only carol man you know Bert Rigby you're a good friend of mine died Carl Reiner he had a movie for them to come in and do a few lies. Big Your food we got that I hope my God you can just start naming George, Carlin working trash, George Carlin, and Still. wow, Ben Stiller George Carlin. That's a great combo we just keep going and I could just same everybody. Right now with that Adam Sandler. Huby Halloween and. the the movie with the. Bloomberg. Can even last guy. That's good news. About the one with the guy that I never liked never never ever like. Of. Guy Ball Framer. Morgan Freeman man but the. Somaly Jones. The move with them two years ago and I met mortgage payments. More George Wallace White. Title. Fight you don't like George because I because. You played I think I should have gotten that role. Saw Him. 'cause even started glory many years ago Morgan Freeman. We get a movie called just getting started last year with firmly Jones. He May Russo quite a few people what a great guy, the greatness guide, the world. Famous and he talks about my Mama like a dog. That's Another but fun and this say every time I see. Him. Because he took all my old. Job In the day. They wanted he could depart Carol I live in. ATLANTA. I know mock Atlanta that he does what did not get department working with him what everybody just I can sell the movies but if you go online, you'll see quite a few things I've done. At. And and I was doing a little research getting ready for today and everybody listening out there. There is a great George Wallace website that has his history, some video, some audio there some. CDs You can get. So make sure you check it out George Wallace. Just Google at but I I WANNA take you back a few years and I wanted to ask you a question. You remember you remember your catchphrase in your early career was it's a crazy world. The World Daily No. Get some thought that all the time and it's coming back it because everything back in the day back. Got I'm not sure what were you? I wasn't doing the Reverend George while on a roll on. Preacher and I had. A. Big Cage with my Bible in the beefcake in the Bible was yellow pages telephone book called. Book Bell. But good bill whatever you want look it up in the book you awesome shoes if book back in the day, I don't know that was doing that but that's why I started. Out with marketing. And the Baptist your that. It's a crazy world was a catchphrase you did for many years but I I know I was able to see you and visit you in Vegas at the Flamingo a few times and I know that that kind of faded off it wasn't. The same. You weren't using that catchphrase later in. the late ninety s and into the two thousands. But for about ten years it's a crazy world was your catchphrase and you made that kind of famous. Beer. Everywhere and the name of my company, the company I work for but own is go crazy world. Isn't really that's perfect you if you go to my website is crazy gw a that by website. Craig's. All of my stationary crazy will. So it's still out there. That's good because I always thought that was. A really good way to bring everybody, and again, it speaks to the quality of your comedy and how inclusive it was everybody was involved and when you would talk about what a crazy world and then do a joke, it was something everybody can relate to. The World then. Hangs over team Sick I. Think I'm sick. Sick So all picked out for the last. Ten Years? I think. I'll be thinking that'd be thinking about everything. I think. So but it Will play world number one. Yeah. Figure remember that that's good. All we we we have great fond memories of you George, and not only from we were back when I wish we were video more more back then but we didn't have to sell falls and we have the video like. Now we had a a little. Little upset with our grow carry around. Your record you on a fake news go home want to look upset about back yet listened to but it ain't able to be your man. I came up with quite a few times for you always wonderful at your club. You. Work with bad people. Well I, appreciate that it was something that I took a lot of pride in in fact, it was ingrained in me by Kuya and it and people like Seinfeld that you. If you WANNA, succeed in, stand up comedy treat the comics well. Respected. And I did that from the beginning I was a real young kid at the time but I went into it is open and learned and listen from everybody I could try to bring that through and I. Thank you for saying. So be I have had several comics say that going the laughs unlimited was always a pleasure because of the way they were treated where they stayed everything was done right? You GotTa admit comedian. People don't know the entertainment will always. Better Club on the job because we don't like. Yeah. We are kind of the opposite end of the business. You. Your job is making you can and I. Think. That will take it all the money. They can't problem quote we always remember. And the they got a football of talking to you, right? Yes we both way. Of Forty four years of Tommy the still left that can. Good football. It's it's it's incredible to be included in that. Thank you. Crew. I. Think move we're going to me people only do now you got me amount home out, but if I get this Man. You know feel right now if I could be and stuff mental right now. So you. Can help people to come out to the club and listen to an. Old Man. You're talking about it and Oh, by God if we have fungus sitting on state, not necessarily a fat man, but it will become a that. Would become a great little. All night and talk they know the ninth was. NYQUIL he. got. A lot of fine and in Georgia would be the perfect guest because you have a world of experience from live stage to television movies There's not an area of entertainment you haven't touched and I think that's where the term the godfather of comedy comes from. You really have done it all and Ben. There have been a good guy, the whole time and that's rare. Now, now you said. You don't have to tell me. That I'm a good guy I know. They want nothing with mainly. Clear the best parents in the world I come from. A lot of. Respect and had nothing to do with race color. I just love people I love. Happy People. Happy People it makes me and make me happy here. It was so good. I have the best job in the world and I it may like stage right though I believe people right now how blessed that? Dog It's been so good to me because I. I thought it might got you on the stance I walk out on stage and on my. Lot. Make Up Shit. Live I tell the people all I'm going to do pray to God I'm all about. Effort in the world. That's all. I WANT TO BE In the world. Well, this is. To. On and certainly doing. A job on honoring your. So many people don't get opportunity to do what they do I. You know and like I say forty years and if I could go and say tonight. We well as they everywhere you go to find. Someone's concert and town. I'm walking out on that stage, I'm being. If the main thinks making people, laughter is so good. Part of my. Well I've always thought what was amazing about stand up comedy. Two quick points is I think we're both blast with being able to make a living something we really love doing and then to was stand up comedy is really the only art form or entertainment form where it's just you and your thoughts there's no problems. There's no. To make long note I got to look back and say what? Incident may right. On Me Yeah, and that's that's really Not An easy thing to do. But once you have it and you have it, it really can be special and to have you be our first opening act in nineteen eighty was the really I can't tell you how much it meant to me to have the right start to Mike Comedy. History now it's been history, but in the beginning. Because you promote in the club and being on the show tonight young dot cutting up and company was the new thing to do people I read about it or comical club everybody. Got It. Wrong. We got we got drink. Got You got laughs at it was totally new form of entertainment not totally new because. When the club before resurgent. Well, yeah. It changed from being a side Gig at a jazz club to being. Open George. It was the eighth full time comedy club in the entire country. There weren't there weren't that many you. Kept riding. The IMPROV. The chronic ship in New York the same store. Door and you have maybe a what would that Yes the punchline open just before me in San Francisco and then they came into Sacramento about ten years after me. Ob. Comedy, castle all those places as Amy's all opened up after but. It was it was the right star in you're the right guy and I just wanted to celebrate that this the fortieth anniversary of laughs unlimited. Thank you George what I'm GonNa do is play a set that I have from back in about nineteen eighty three and let the my audience here you entertain on stage but I wanted to take one last minute and just say thank you. So, much for taking time out of your valuable day to be with me on this podcast and be able to connect with you and you mentioned earlier, it's like a family you and I have not spoken probably visited the Fleming go a couple of times but it's probably been at least twenty years and yet talking you today is like I saw you last week I mean it's incredible. What it's like what real son was like like if I want to call doppler right now and people don't know about Matthew's comedian. A lot of people will call me Maine's right now it all. In all? That it is a film as a family. So I, hope you got up and funny on their. Oh. Yeah. Okay. You're always funny George and we appreciate you and I know you're in Atlanta and you're going to be back there for a while. But when you get back out in the West, coast, get back to Vegas will hopefully get a chance to hook up. What about that? Well. We I still do some fundraisers and concerts occasionally bet I'm retired from comedy fulltime it back in two thousand and one and Now I just do it for fun. Or might. Twenty years ago. I know it's crazy. Isn't it? We don't want to say how old we've gotten. But you and I are about the same age and It's been a great run in comedy. Younger than. I think it's just audio tricks. Is that what it is Oh my God. So we'll be good get together and do. We can do something in the. Bible of the That would be a great idea we should do in like a special show. And get you and some of the guys That would be a blast. It might phone J. J. was Delta, and he's he's wrongdoing comedy Jj. Round yellow a puppet it was a monkey on. That was a joke monkey. He seniors take me out. You Know Oh, I didn't know that. I said not still with on stage with market drop me faith. We're. Laughing we met Jay Johnson through our friend, Harry Anderson and J workforce for many years. In fact, I did a short television pilot with him and he's a great guy in the monkey joke was one of his best bits and it. It's great that you remember that. And if I go online and try to. Go. All Right Joyce other. Okay. Man. Look I. Talk A lot. Okay. Oh. Was He doing the whole show you're talking on the phone well, going to shifted over to some stand up right now. I. WanNa say thank you so much for doing this. It's been a real honor and a pleasure to talk to after all these years and thank you. You're always very hospitable to my wife and I when we visited you in at the Flamingo, that was a really successful ten year run for you and I just know that you're going to continue successful and let's see if we can put together that reunion concert that would be able to. Make it clear. I am still in love. Hit Line at the West Gate. For four years. In Philippine. Television and doing a Pasi with Daniel Fox and Netflix Ball. So what the Great? Norman Lear. Normal Birthday was yesterday with the brand new show with George Wallace and the burn cops and they'll go queen straight a version of son if you know the COX trends or some. Version of. On he was my. Went to New York. Tank. Knocked the door. My son is now a senior. We'll still working we still out there and if you come to Las Vegas on live. At the. West. Gate to say, no, I'm still be called me but new debate I'm still there. That's great news. We'll come out and see you, and so we'll definitely get a chance to hook up George. Thanks so much. That's great. Information everybody go see him at the West West Gate. Right. Work Gate on all out A. Trip you pay that later. Say That again sir. That y'all may that you'll take off say it's going be. It's an audio clip out edited in I'm sorry George I don't have it right here. About All of those big move for me I get to do those. So over now. That's true. Well, I'll make sure you get a copy of this when we release it and you'll get a chance to hear it and revamp your material. On serious because that's always got right Gary Schilling always talked about the rights evergreen material you can go back. Somebody can come and tell me today that I heard. Twenty years ago and put it back in the as this. New and the can't comes to the company today they were not even born when we started that Oh, I know it's crazy. It's a crazy world. Your Wallet. Our, love you absolutely nuts and you can do about it and you ought to. Anybody that's up to date with be zooming their newer be made betting here. Underwear. To you. Well. Maybe that's why I don't do zoom. That's great. Well. Yeah and Something that was interesting One of the reasons I'm doing this podcast is that to me funny is funny. It doesn't matter if it's five minutes older. Twenty five years old and you were funny and. It's GonNa be just as funny hearing today as it was back in nineteen eighty-three. Thank you. Looking forward to it. Hey, ladies and gentlemen we want to thank George for being on the polk podcast today. Stay tuned. We're going to hear a set from him in nineteen forty George Wallace. George Wall of. Gentleman George Wallace. All right. Folks. Sit Back. Relax and enjoy some great comedy from the Godfather of comedy. That's right George. Here we go. Thank you Dr George Wallace, the Doctor Company you feel better I. All right. Here we go. Don't buy nobody. That's why I say that every year and always winding up spending. I bought some underwear but now. Eight nine dollars drone. You're saying for nine hours. The Tattoo. But when I get excited to say, Oklahoma. You wonder why we have birth control. The underwear bloomingdale's. Nine dollars I know you like you said, I shouldn't be wearing the mouse I my parents. Can you imagine going home at two girlfriends? She wants to make love you want me to take these. We got to do apples. Believe, only. It's crazy. Comedian. Joke. Sometime, go look or something like a little system that. So I so right now everybody come on give me a real good. COMEDIANS. Really talk establish a report with the ask you questions. From. Could give a shit when you don't. Want. A good time, right. I'd rather be. Down how about you? Just he were in your right mind. All right an opinion. Happening in the last few months I tell you I had even come in had trouble ahead time from San, Francisco Gay or you. Zach. This black college. Well. That was George Wallace live on stage from back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, three, I'm sure you enjoyed that set and we really appreciate George taken the time to come on this podcast on this special anniversary edition celebrating August seventh of nineteen eighty, the grand opening of laughs unlimited Mike Comedy. Club. And what led me into. 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Flint's White Backlash: George Wallace, Don Williamson & Trump

Radio Free Flint

21:34 min | 10 months ago

Flint's White Backlash: George Wallace, Don Williamson & Trump

"A. Much as made today about the lawless attitude displayed by President Donald Trump. Well he of course was endorsed by many of the Dixie. Subdivision Bubbas. As part of his political base, which eat out a victory in Michigan narrowly. That's political. Base tries to cultivate. President trump stick is irreverent, boorish and uncouth. He seems to not give a damn about good manners are American traditions or even our cultural customs. Trump. Is also a billionaire supposedly The. Bubbas. Love. Irreverent rich people. This law of John belushi tight millionaires has nothing to do with ideology. To people who are mad at everything the notion that you can be without boundaries and say, and do outrageous things is kind of appealing. The flint electorate. has supported some I raising. Versions of crazy and politics. Flint had the Donald before the Donald the one. Who is in the White House came to power. Donald J Williamson that is a half a billionaire who was elected flint mayor. Two Thousand and two, and again in two thousand seven. Mir. Williamson was convicted of a felony well, a young man. For a pattern of buying automobiles using bad checks. He was the anti politician. were a hard hat full of flag decals, union stickers. Proclaiming. That he was going to make flynn great again. He could be charming. His hell. He had an eighth grade education never used a computer and had perhaps five hundred, million dollars in the bank. There's more imagine this crazy scenario old old white rich guy runs, for Mayor Flint a city comprised of majority of black people and a solid base of forty percent white hillbillies. He's an outcast of southern Michigan's high society and and it's economic elite. This candidate for public office can stick conspicuously flashes. His enormous wealth gives out twenty dollar bills to those stopping by his auto is wife's GM auto dealership if they pick up his campaign literature. He was a long time Palm Beach Florida resident. Owning a magnificent Palm Beach Mansion. Just, one block from Donald Trump's Merrill Largo. That's in Palm Beach. As. Well. This fat guy this rich white fat, Guy. On the championship golf course by the way. In Davison Michigan. He ran a company called and it's appropriately named the kernels. The largest American only in aftermarket manufacturer bumpers and truck bed liners in America. The rich old white guy businessman perfects the use of the lawsuit as an economic weapon to win in business and in politics. Don't do it his way. Go to court and see what happens. His appeal is directed at the Bubbas subdivision and across the Midwest all while taking the role of Mr, Smith goes to Washington. They're rich old white guy says, he's GonNa run the city of flint like a business. Bingo. The Michigan Democratic Party opposed Donald Williamson Selection as Flint mayor because he made contributions to the election of George W Bush. Starting to sound a little familiar. Mayor, Williamson was elected anyway not just once but twice his amazing and honest unexpected victories of course, dumbfounded the elites of Flint and the political glass. Everyone was surprised except the Bubbas of the dixieland subdivision in. Flint. Michigan. Just as an aside. Once Donald Williamson took a dump truck full of pig manure dumped it on a UA W. picket line out in Oiseaux Michigan. They were picketing as parts. Plan. Where he made. Bumpers for automobiles. Brand new automobiles. Pig Shit on the picket line was a way to show contempt for one or more institutions that Dixieland Bubba feels has betrayed him and his family. Williamson's later hired a popular U. A. W.. Vice President. Responsible for. U. A. W. General Motors, labor negotiations to work for his vice auto dealership. What the hell the union officials work was Mr to everyone. Not long after that. Mere. Williamson bought the. U.. A.. W. Local Five, ninety, nine, headquarters, magnificent building. That was after the Buick? City. Factory was closed. and. And he turned it into a senior citizen and nightclub. For Retired A. W. Workers many of whom were hillbillies as well. Go figure that one. Oh Lesson, I gleaned from this bizarre reality show is that the dixieland subdivision bubba was really pissed off. He wanted to get even with all those cahoots with corporate and the union bosses. And Bubbas. Is. They were doing magic disappearing acts with their factory jobs. In America today politicians can still win elections the old fashioned way they just buy it. What is what is a common denominator between the Bubbas of Dixie land subdivision in a billionaire? It's all about the attitude. Tell Bubba that the president just raised his taxes than reduced his unemployment insurance won't lift a finger to fix the poison water coming out of his kitchen sink. and He's already all over that. Pure logic no longer applies Dixieland BUBBA. Figures. Nothing is ever going to change anyway. So he might just as well use his voice for entertainment value. Michigan in two thousand, sixteen. Baba voted to create a miraculous show in the White House. For the next four years. I have pointed out history has a way of repeating itself. Nineteen sixty eight. Michigan Baba's. Love the governor. That was the governor of Alabama George Wallace. George, Wallace ran for president is a third party candidate than. Former. formed. A new political party. The American. Independent Party better known as the DIXIELAND BUBBA party. Just kidding on that one. He did form a party called the American Independent Party and he picked the general no less as his running mate. Wallace won the Electoral College votes of five southern states making it possible for Richard Nixon the squeak out a victory over Hubert Humphrey. Michigan hillbillies loved the Governor George. Wallace. When I was fourteen years old And in my neighborhood where I was the paper boy, those Wallace signs were everywhere near my Dixieland home. Townships Jason to the city of Flint where southern people migrated to work. For General Motors in the auto factories were nicknamed Burr Taki Little Missouri. Hubert Humphrey. Squeaked out a close victory over Nixon in Michigan but it wasn't enough. It took twenty years before another Democrat running for President one Michigan's electoral votes. Wallace coined the campaign slogan there's not a dines worth of difference between the Republicans and the Democrats. Believe me when I, Say I'm not making this stuff up back. Then the governor was paddling hate segregation and white victimization. That sound familiar. Wallis even came close to selecting Colonel Harland Sanders of Kentucky Fried Chicken fame. Well. In my house. Southern Fried Chicken was for Sunday dinner, and that was the very best. Can you imagine? If Colonel Sanders had had actually got to be the vice president and the. Sunday. What would happen at the White House? In one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, two, the governor tried again. That is George Wallace this time winning the Michigan Democratic presidential primary. He went mainstream. It is near genius that a shock Jock politician can build a political base upon a bunch of Dixie land subdivision Bubbas. The same Bubbas who have a rap sheet consisting of fourteen traffic violations like reckless driving drag racing. Opening toxic vehicle and domestic violence not forgetting to mention a couple of drunk driving ramps. In my opinion, the seeds planted by George Wallace in the State of Michigan with its large southern migrant population. Giving rise to the shocking results in the two thousand sixteen presidential election. Nothing more than a amazing. See Baba doesn't expect anything anymore with the American government can actually do something to help him and his family gave up on that idea and flint when in June twenty ninth nineteen, Ninety nine. General Motors then closed and then completely leveled the Buick city auto factory that was one of the largest automobile complexes in the world employing twenty-eight thousand autoworkers in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, nine. Buick city had been around since nineteen o nine, my grandfather came to flint from Kentucky. The work at Buick City. At the time of its closing. U. A. W. Workers made the highest quality automobile in the world. It's primary model the Buick. LESABRE had just one car of the year. When bubbas sorts out permanently closing factories he figures the world has gone nuts. In his mind, the rich elites don't respect the shopworker anymore. Greed is now triumphed over patriotism as well as over the welfare of a large number of hardworking. Americans. From bubbas point of view he lost his stake and place in the order of things and noxious decide land subdivision but in America. How do you get even with the elites who advocate making cars in Mexico or China and shutting down most of the factories, auto factories and Flint The billionaire corporate globalists don't run for public office. So they can't get them out of office by simply voting seems obvious to bubba than the corporate classes corrupted and seduce the people elected office. Taking Bubbas way of thinking it's so natural to take his franchise and vote for the Fuck you party candidate. because. That is just what Bubba feels about America and the suits that run it. What BUBBA has not figured out just yet is at the United States Supreme Court which does its work behind closed doors has taken a lot of five four votes in favor of giving the rich and powerful. The government they by. What the United States Supreme Court. And the major political parties haven't figured out yet is that this barrage of pro-corporate decisions are effectively cutting the umbilical cord for hundreds of thousands of disaffected rust bucket workers to the American economic and political system thus. The Revolutionary Fuck you mindset taken to the polls by thousands of Dixieland subdivision bubbas across the mid, West? With others so victimized and aggrieved will eventually have consequences for the political stability of America. History does repeat itself. Nineteen thirty two flint electors sent. The First Democratic Party Congressman to Washington DC Andrew Jackson Trans Sue, a local lawyer. Who is sent to vote for President, Roosevelt's new deal. Not long after being rebuffed on the legislation that would re-balance the power equation between corporations and labor. President Franklin Roosevelt proposed to pack. The United States supreme. Court banding. Its members. That ramp was enough to Cajole the court for approval of the National Labor. Relations Act. which passed and the bulk of the new deal economic. Rescue packages well. There's much talk today in the halls of Congress to expand the US Supreme. Court. After the twenty twenty elections if the Democrats recapture majority the US Senate in the United States presidency. Many Supreme Court decisions such as citizens united, which the United States Supreme Court license the buying politicians by legalizing unlimited spending on political campaigns. They acquainted these corporations with real persons like Dixieland. visit serrated any real influence bubbliness. Fellow flintstones may have had to use a political system to protect their at canonic interests. Basically Dixieland Baba. Does it sweat the small details of the US Supreme Court opinions. Dixieland bubbas pretty intuitive when it comes to people stealing his lunch pail. So along comes a guy like. Where's the same blue suit and red tie every day he swears a bit tells the elites are sleepy and dumb eats hamburgers. Every meal looks and acts like mad magazine's Alfred Newman treats women like Hugh hefner playboy, and he'd get a match made in heaven how the Hell can anyone compete with you after and a guy who says fuck you'd about any important. Anyone important all while claiming to be a victim of everything. And loves it. The competition soon realizes that Bubba is really pissed off. Somehow they gotTA relate. So game set match off with the red ties get the television cameras to film the embattled politicians eating pepperoni pizza at Flint Sicily pizzeria right there at the gateway to Dixieland subdivision then get a hard hat with American flag decals pasted on it along with the Union logo. There you go. Made in. America. That work just take the suit coat off because it doesn't really match the hard hat. Perhaps a baseball cap with a fuck GM on the front that might work. 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Peggy Wallace Kennedy Reckons With Her Father's Legacy Of Segregation

On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts

47:01 min | 1 year ago

Peggy Wallace Kennedy Reckons With Her Father's Legacy Of Segregation

"From NPR WB. You are Boston. I'm Magna chopper Birdie. And this is on point what burden must daughter bear for the sins of her father. That's a question Peggy. Wallace Kennedy has grappled with for most of her life. Her father is four time. Governor Alabama Governor George Wallace and he was the face of the segregation movement in Nineteen Sixties America in her book. The Broken Road George Wallace and a daughter's journey to reconciliation. Peggy Wallace Kennedy gives us an intimate tender but unflinching portrait of her father from the point of view of loving but deeply conflicted daughter. So this powerpoint Peggy Wallace Kennedy on justice power and a family's legacy and Peggy Wallace Kennedy joins us today from Birmingham Alabama. She is is the author of the new memoir called the broken road. Peggy Wallis Kennedy. Welcome to on point. Thank you so much. I wonder if I I might start with the with the moment from your father's first inaugural address when he was first elected as governor of Alabama in in nineteen sixty three or inaugurated nine hundred sixty three uttering. What may be his most famous line for the car? freedom-loving moving blood earth and answer to the planks team in the name of the greatest people that have ever come on Bro. The line in the dust and perfect before the of tyranny and I say segregation you can now Mara and Thera- Gatien former Alabama governor George Wallace in one thousand nine hundred sixty three Begi Wallace Kennedy. I imagine it cannot be easy. Even these many decades later having many discussions about your family begin with at that moment from your father's inaugural address well usually When I do an interview that I it it starts with that but Let me say that I was. I was twelve years old at that time and I remember standing to My father's left and and When he said those words the crowd out in front of me and the crowd roared and cheered and I can remember thinking? They really liked what he said. I didn't understand. Stand it but he. They really liked what he said. And I didn't understand those words but five five months later when he stood in The school has store at the University of Alabama to block Vivian Malone and and James Hood from registering at the university I did understand those words and I disagreed with my father. I thought that was wrong but also felt guilty. I was thirteen eighteen years old. I loved my father very much. We're very close and I just felt guilty feeling the opposite way. Hey and he felt so. It was difficult for me so but that the race that he ran in in sixty two was Of course own reis and segregation. That's and that's how Iran and he promised promise that he would stand in the schoolhouse store and so he was keeping a promise right. So this is an important point here because George George Wallace had your father had run for the governorship of Alabama in the four years earlier than that and he was beaten right beaten by have an avowed racist and a little segregationist and racist. And that's sort of what turned his strategy towards awards embracing segregation wholeheartedly. I will talk about that in a second but I was wondering if we actually just might kind of go back further and you have this unique Window into WHO George Wallace was. What was he like win? Growing up I mean was was your household one where where where racist and segregationist attitudes were were commonplace. I mean how much was this. A part of who he was no I I also was not like that and in fact the N. Word was never spoken in our house. was never said in our house. Osma never heard my father say it never heard my mother's set and we were not allowed to say it and from fifty eight And beyond those beyond fifty eight Those are the happiest years I think of my life and my father was a judge at that time circuit judge and We lived in a small town among others was a housewife in like. I said my father was a judge and those were the happiest this times that I that I can remember. My father was in and out and he he was always You know that everything fast and he ate fast and he was just in and out all the time and He just playful. Alan Friday nights were are right together. We watched the Friday night fights and He was He was just fun loving and and then he was gone again and then we came back. We had fun and He he was just a a good dad. When you catch him mm-hmm but you're right Very very honestly about about your father I mean you say ah that for example When he when he married your mother by the way we should note that your mother was also Alabama governor? We'll talk about that in a moment but but that that your mother's mother your grandmother really had George Wallace's number right from the start. Yes she has she She and she and my daddy did not get along Mammo- was a short red-headed Feisty And told like was and when she first set eyes on him She probably said I just can't believe this and daddy just kept coming around so Eventually she had to give her permission and for them to marry but it was not a relationship that was a loving relationship throughout it was not and and and and we had a lot of good times with that. I mean I as a spectator watching them go at it was was well. I know this may not be easy talking about it in the context of very public radio interview. But if you don't mind I mean when you say that the the relationship between your mother and father was was kind of fraud. I mean early in the book you write that I think it was roughly nineteen forty five When your mother Went to New Mexico where you're where George Wallace. Your father was stationed. And when she got there she found out that he hadn't even bothered to find them a place to live right now Out Born in Nineteen fifty so All of Before nineteen fifty s Research I had done Information that I had known before but yes. It was like Chicken coop that he has been converted into a this a little house where they were the sand blue at night into the into the chicken coop and And my father was not a creature. Comforts he Just is not that. He didn't WanNa find a place to live. He just for for for to find a place I used to live. He just was doing other things and later on when they move back to Alabama was the same thing you know when I'm sure show you read and And the listeners will re to just you know can we sleep on your porch. And they had had a baby to my sister Older sister and just can we sleep here. One night and It was that that kind of live. Yeah in the family was not I of course in his mind so obviously obviously so That's the way it was him right. Family was not I I mean you you right in the book that the arc of your father's moral universe bent towards power is that what really drove escapes. Me You will you you write in the book that that that the arc of your father's universe as you say bent towards power for is that what drove him. Yes that is. Since he was a boy his grandfather was a great influence on him. He was a doctor and his grandfather would put him on the back of his horse And they would go out into the country side and while Dr Wallace this was tending to patients in their home. My father would stay outside and talked to all the people that were around the house. Whatever and he just loved people and he loved talking to them and finding out about what their interest word with they they liked and what the problems were in but they thought they were GonNa do to solve them and that's how he got really love people all and his boyhood dream was to be governor Alabam and so when that time came in fifty eighth he wanted to run in fifty eight and That was his boyhood dream in that came first and as I grew up in a political family It was the norm. Well Peggy Walls Kennedy hang on here for just a quick moment because we have to take a break we are talking with Peggy Walls Kennedy. She is daughter daughter of the late and former governor of Alabama George Wallace. She's written about her life in the Wallace family in the new book. The Broken Road George. George Wallace and a daughter's journey reconciliation. We'll be right back. This is on point. Uh when it's too cold to go out to who icy to make it out of the driveway. Where do you go to find? Just the right movie. Just the right book just the right show to binge pop culture happy hour from. NPR can help you keep warm warm and keep up at the same time. Join US twice a week on pop culture. Happy hour this is on point. I'm magnetic Roberti. We're talking talking this hour with Peggy Wallace Kennedy. She's daughter of former Alabama Governor George Wallace and she writes about growing up In the Wallace family in her new book the Broken Road George Wallace and a daughter's journey to reconciliation and Peggy Wallis Kennedy joins us today from Birmingham Alabama. I wonder if you could tell us a in the first time that your father ran for governor in Alabama eighteen fifty eight if I if I've got my years right here. What was it about the people that he spoke to the voters that he he reached out to that he really understood That maybe no one else quite fully fully. What did what did he understand about? The people of Alabama the time. Well that was eight years sold so Former better schools and better road by. WHO's a moderate on race And the people just didn't seem to be interested in that And he he could tell a- as the campaign progressed that They really were more for segregation but he was not and his opponent of course John Patterson who was a racist and was backed by the clan eventually won that race is and My father was devastated and was just really never able to come out of that depression. He was in for a long time and things all he wanted to be was governor of Alabama. That was like I said his boyhood dream so I think he star running for governor the very next day at t lost and so Things were very bad at home. They got worse There was very little money so my mother. It took us to Our grandparents house and she drove from Clayton to Tuscaloosa Alabama. She crossed over the Black Warrior River. And she'd say look for the broken road and the road was an abandoned road way. With crack the the broken road was cracked. In heaved up asked fault mangled Kudzu Vine Bon shrubs trees and we called it the broken road and when we saw it we knew that we were close to unconditional love and happiness and angry voices and no secrets in so she would turn down that dirt road and I'd start looking for the household flowers on porch and Cassara roll down my window. Wave and happiness would wake me back. It was my grandmother's house. GRANDMA MAMMO MR the Henry and we stayed there for quite a while that was in fifty nine and then we Ended up Living there for a little while so things did get better My mother filed for divorce. She and I think that I think I think Daddy That shocked him back into reality. I think because My my uncle Gerald had come and talked my mother. He told me many years later Their mouth that conversation and I think mother decided that No no man could run for governor. That was divorced and had children running around asking you about the daddy so she realized that she really had the power. She was the one that has the power and Daddy came came down and do my grandparents house and got us and they reconciled and But he knew that the sixty two race He was going to have to change and he. It became A racist He ran on race segregation. He did that for power uh-huh and he used that because they knew that was the only way he could win. Right penalty can at any cost. Take few forgive me for interrupting but I just wanted to ask you a quick question about this. This exact thing because it seems to me from what I'm hearing you say now and in in Reading Yearbook That this was this was a political calculation that your father George Wallace made to embrace segregation to to brace racism that it might not have been his actual innate point of view about his fellow his fellow citizens in Alabama there but looking back on it now As as an adult. How what do you think about that that? Your father other was willing in his quest for power that he was willing to embrace a point of view the dehumanized you know his fellow Americans. I just wonder what you think about that well. He chose to do that because that is all he wounded that came first in his life and his dream was Power it was power over principle and that was the only way he could win and and that was really not acceptable of course absolutely but that was the only way he could to win. Well you write in the book that your father quote. He promised the confederacy all over again. In some ways with his viciousness negatively daddy defined and crystallized what has become the tenor of modern political life. Can you tell me more about that. Well America is hurting now and I think we divided lighted wish still strong though and we have a lot of hope for America we need to stand up not standby we need to stand shoulder to shoulder like civil rights. Marchers did from Selwyn Montgomery and face the challenges that lay ahead America is about all of us not some of us and I feel that if people could learn to see other people with their hearts rather than their minds the thinking lauren the lessons of unconditional love. America is one family one America. John Lewis has said that I think that all Americans should act with compassion and we should all pray for our democracy crecy. Well Peggy if I may I'd like to play a couple of clips from the moment element that you talked about earlier when in June of nineteen sixty three Governor George Wallace did as he promised he stood in the doorway. We're way of the University of Alabama and tried to block to African American students from registering. Vivian Malone and James Hood. He was eventually forced by the Alabama. The National Guard to stand aside but before he did George Wallace read out a proclamation defending segregation as a matter of states rights. It's being mindful of my responsibilities under the constitution of the United States. The constitution of the state of Alabama and seeking to preserve and maintain the peace peace and dignity of this date and the individual freedoms of the citizens there are do hereby denounce and forbid this illegal and unwarranted action. The federal government the George Wallace on June eleventh of nineteen sixty three President John F. Kennedy delivered a broadcast to the nation on civil rights in response to Wallace stand at the door of the University of Alabama. Here's President Kennedy. When American can't be nom a West Berlin we do not ask for whites-only it ought to be possible? There for for American students have any color. Do you attend any public institution. They select without having to be backed up by troops President John F. Kennedy June of Nineteen nineteen sixty three pegos Kennedy. What what was happening Obviously you and your family. Living in the governor's mansion at the time what what is your mother. Make of all of this When when her husband stood in the door of the University of Alabama when my mother took us to the lake we had lake cabin and she took us to the lake and we stayed there? You're the whole day. My mother was very worried because she did not know what was going to happen to my daddy and We watched it on TV and We had a lot of state troopers with this. In fact Morse started coming to the lake and I think that frightened her more than anything because she didn't really know what was going to happen. She was very worried I think my mother thought that a simple life was she was going to be able to to live but she knew the end. That after that school has store stand that would be over our heads for the rest of our lives allies and we drove home that night and we never mentioned it My father taught me about it. We didn't talk politics if we were ever together. There's just so much more to me. That was more important to me. Just have never Excuse my father or defended him So it just We just never discuss politics. Yeah so peggy tell us more About who your who. Your mother was because She she more than your father seems to me. As as you write about in the book that seems to be kind of the defining force in your life of course she was she was amazing woman. She was the friend She was genuine. She was a country girl role. She was smart. She could put someone at ease within two minutes they were someone was Nervous about meeting the first lady or when she was governor within two the minute she had put the mid eighties. It was wonderful thing do what she was A wonderful skier water skier. She could fish you Under the boat you had made your own unhook though if you went with her which had many times She was lovable. She had a drive wit and when Actress played they'd Her in George the George Wallace move with Gary sinise My brother talk to her to the actress and said my mother had such a dry wit that In the actress said I wish mayor wearing him username said I wish I'd known that may be accurate. Told some the riders DAB She she loved children. She loved animals and she was just a wonderful person. uh-huh and I'll I miss her very much because I had just turned eighteen when she passed away so She you you know I hate that. She doesn't know her grandchildren. or or grant grant our who great great granddaughter. Yeah now your mother After your father's first term as Alabama governor your mother and ran and became governor of Alabama and actually was as you write it had ahead. A groundswell of support was very popular. Can you tell us a little bit about that. They could you repeat that. Yeah sure I was. I was going. I was asking you to tell us the story about how after your father's first term is Alabama governor. Where he at that time he could not run again but another wallace did? Your Mother did and she won and as quite was quite beloved by people. Apple served only for fifteen months though because as you mentioned she passed away from uterine cancer But but that time of that she served as governor. What did you see in her? And what was what is it. That people responded to so much. We've just got about thirty seconds before we have to take a quick break so I'll let you start the answer. Certainly we'll take a quick break. Well she She she knew how to relate to people she knew how to listen to people and those those she would listen to that person and that person use it she. She was listening to them. She was very personable and she loved Alabama and she people still come up to me today until me stories about my mother and how much they they love her. We're talking this hour with Peggy Wallace Kennedy. She's the daughter of former Alabama governor. George Wallace and former Alabama governor lean wallace as well. She's the author of new of a new book called the broken road. George Wallace and a daughter's journey to reconciliation. We'll have more when we come back. This is on one point. This is on point. I'm magnetron crazy. We're talking this hour with Peggy Wallace. Kennedy she's daughter of four time. Former former Alabama governor George Wallace and in the nineteen sixties George Wallace was the face of the segregationists movement in America and Peggy writes about that in her new book. It's called the broken road. George Wallace and daughter's journey to reconciliation and Peggy. If I may I wanNA play a moment from nineteen sixty five. It's a definitive moment. uh-huh in American history because on March seventh nineteen sixty five John Lewis then a twenty five year old chairman of the student nonviolent Nonviolent Island Coordinating Committee or snick spoke to reporters before leading six hundred people across the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma Alabama. The the protesters were met by an Army of Alabama state troopers who descended on them with clubs. John Lewis was beaten so badly that he lost consciousness. The event came to be we remembered as bloody Sunday. We'll marching today. To dramatize to the nation dramatize to the world hundreds and thousands of the citizens of Alabama particularly here in the bright glare the night right to vote. We intend to march to Montgomery Vince. Then grievous govern across reportedly wanted John Lewis now congressman John Lewis but back in nineteen sixty five peggy. If I remember correctly from the book you actually saw on television. What was happening on the Edmund Pettus bridge is that right yes? That's right a mother now. We're watching a movie together. And they broke in and showed the The tape of the Beijing and we both said something to each other about the man man in the Tan trench coat because they were beating him and so he was not able to get up and run run like the other ones so the camera state on him. And so how could I have known at all these years later. The man in the Tan trench coat would call me sister now call him. And you walked across the bridge with Congressman. John Lewis all those years later. Yes yes can you tell us what that we lived thirty eight well. The John Grew up thirty eight miles from each other. And of course in reality we lived oceans Sion's apart but That day was A turning point in my life we held hands and walked across the bridge and he took me over to the rail. We look down into the water and then John said is time I is to move on sister and John showed me what love and forgiveness and reconciliation can do to restore sold and he'll human heart and he also gave me courage to find my voice because when I was Small small learn living in My father's household I didn't have a voice didn't have no one asks for opinion or anything but he gave me the courage to find my voice. It was a it was a wonderful day. Well and since then you have spoken spoken clearly and frequently about racial reconciliation in America but I wonder when when is it that when you were a younger when is it that you knew for sure that your personal politics and how you felt about how America should be was different than what your father was. Let's say well. When he stood in scoop store I knew what those words meant then and that he said in his inaugural address and I? I just thought that him standing in school has over wrong. And so that's what. I knew that I was different that I felt differently than he did. So I guess thirteen but you weren't able to. I mean this is a thirteen year old and the God daughter of the sitting Governor. I don't imagine a I'm not blaming you for not speaking then but it took some time. You're saying it took many anymore years before you felt that you could say no. I think that what my father did. What he stood for them was wrong? Well of course. Most people assumed his politics were my politics so no one ever ever asked me what. What do you think they just assumed that so I just never sit. I just never said anything. And in nineteen ninety six we took our young sunburns when he was eight or nine to Atlanta to the Martin Luther King we came across the exhibit it We're Dr King Fighting for equality in Alabama and we came across the Edmund Pettus Bridge and fire hoses and dogs logs in Birmingham and George Wallace standing in the schoolhouse door and Burns looked up at me. He said why did Popo do of those things to other people unless said Burns. I don't know why Popol did those things to other people but I know he wrong. So maybe it'll have to be up to you and me to help make things right. That was in nineteen ninety six and when I crossed the bridge Congressman Lewis in two thousand and nine when he helped help me find my voice giving the courage to find my voice anew thin that maybe this will be the time to answer. Answer Burns's question. Maybe academic something to help make things right so I wanted to speak up and speak out about peace and reconciliation. That was passionate about that and so I did. Ed and I want to do that because I wanted to. Also leave the legs seat for my two sons. That was different from the legacy that was left for me so for eleven years I I spoke all across the country. Bats Peace and reconciliation and The book book I wrote for my two sons mark. Anna has been our Collaborated on the book. His mark is live forty. Six years On the broken road with me and I wrote it for my two sons so The let that legs. We left them. If I may say feel he also wrote it for all of us because you have this unique view this no one else has the perspective on on George Wallace was was Other than you and and your siblings. But you're the one who's who has who speaking here Who has written this book and to that to that end? Peggy if I could ask ask you I I'd love to hear I'd love to hear about sort of the lessons that you draw from your father's life and let me just okay. Let me just put it this way in two thousand fifteen when then candidate. Donald Trump came down that golden staircase and and announced his candidacy for president. How much of his approach and what he said how much that was familiar to you familiar to you? Well some of it was familiar to me I don't really compare them anymore. But some of some of was familiar but front My father It was it was it was just different there was some similarity in way. They campaigned and The way that they both knew that hate and fear Moat. That's what motivated voters but My father was Just not To the extreme mm-hmm that we are now today Can Can I just jump in there for a second pay. Your father was not to the extreme that we have today I mean he he sure he was he east. He for years he to- he called for salvation forever birds. Yes I think he he end up. I'm I'm saying that I don't think he would've ever Taken can children away from their parents. The board that kind of thing. Yes he yes he was a racist segregationist. Yes That yeah I don't But he had the capacity to So if you want if if you you WanNa go to have some similar the campaign slogans were you know coded That kind of that kind of thing and Peggy when you say that their campaign slogans were similar Miller. Obviously the president's being make America great again And George Wallace's being stand up for America you write in your book that that I'm just GonNa read a little portion here of your book. Pay You write quote. Daddy tapped into a complicated network of political ideals and cultural values. He was aware aware of the somewhat perverse attitude of the white middle-class toward power here under de understood that when middle-class whites perceived that the American dream was no longer within reach they would become blindly loyal to the person they believed could reclaim it for them. And then you say daddy and Donald Trump would have agreed on at least one thing thing. While powerless people may sometimes be skeptical of those who have the power powerful people people are the ones. They most often worship accepting the authority without question and teaching their children. That respect for authority is a moral absolute and that is at the heart of the appeal of both stand. Stand up for America and make America great again so That's from Peggy. Wallace's pay you. All's Kennedy's book the Broken Road. Peggy aggie is that. That's one of the ways that you think that they were similar visit. That is correct right. That's great so then tell us how that understanding like how how that helps us understand sort of how to bring America How to get that reconciliation today? Wow well. My father had the capacity to change And you know as far as American people reconciliation is is within reach for every American no matter what in what circumstances you know. Racism has become sort of a national security threat oft we see continued hatred and racism and violence and But the country entry has the capacity to move toward reconciliation and understanding. I think I think every fellow man can reach and and for their neighbor Cher their dreams their beliefs. We need to feel feel authors celebrate others everyone has a history and that's the fabric of their lives. We must us come together as one country. We have to come together as one America because just like I said before John Lewis says we cannot go back we are one family we are one America. That's reconciliation. We have to do this. We all we will stand up. Not Stand by like I said before. Being being patriotic is not political. It's Patriotic Peggy. We've just got about Erica. America Merrill America is not political. It's Patriot yeah well obviously we're having a little bit of trouble trouble with the line here but Peggy I've got thirty seconds and I just want to ask you one last question. You you write that you forgive your father and and you loved him and in fact. He received forgiveness from the members of Accu- members of the African American community as well but just just a couple of seconds. Can you tell us about Was it was it easy for you for you to forgive your father. Well unfortunately we are having. Unfortunately we were just having a a lot of trouble with the line there to Birmingham Alabama so. I'm afraid I do have to wrap it. Up Breaks my heart but nevertheless Peggy Wallace Kennedy speaking to us from Birmingham Alabama. She is daughter of former Alabama governor. George Wallace. She's now a writer speaker and lecturer on racial reconciliation. She's author of the A new book. It's a memoir titled The Broken Road George Wallace and a daughter's journey to reconciliation. We have an excerpt of it at some point. Radio DOT ORG Peggy Walls Kennedy. Thank you so very much for joining us today. I'm Meghna Chakrabarti. This is on point.

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How segregationist George Wallace became a model for racial reconciliation

Cape Up with Jonathan Capehart

16:19 min | 2 years ago

How segregationist George Wallace became a model for racial reconciliation

"George Wallace was the epitome of oppressor. He was the Pitta me of, of the legacy of a slave master. And this man kept my people down. Hi, I'm Jonathan Kaye, part in this voices of the movement, a series from my podcast, Cape up sharing the stories and lessons of some of the leaders of the civil rights movement, and using them to figure out where we go from here. Our story this week is one of compassion, and new beginnings. It's about building bridges, and it's about George Wallace. Yes, that George Wallace forty fifth governor of Alabama known as the man who during his nineteen sixty three inaugural address said. Tiger the mar. And. Serra gatien. The Reverend Martin Luther King junior once called the most dangerous racist in America. George Wallace was the embodiment of resistance to the civil rights movement. The George Wallace is also the man who in nineteen eighty-two ran for governor for a fourth and final term, and one ninety percent of the black vote. To understand how this happened you have to start with congresswoman, Barbara Lee, California, and the story of how she got into politics. I talked to her about this as we stood on the Edmund Pettus bridge, made infamous by the horror of Bloody Sunday. I never registered to vote as black student union president, working as a community worker for the Black Panther party and made a decision early on not to register to vote because I didn't think politics made a difference in my life. Or in the lives of people, my mother was the first one of the first twelve African American students to integrate the university of Texas, it El Paso, and my dad was in the military, and we tried to go to restaurants to eat in his uniform, and they would say, I'm sorry, we don't serve and would use the N word it's I grew up, you know, in this system of oppression and humiliation and segregation and Jim crow Lee was attending mills college. In Oakland, California. Nya as the nineteen seventy two presidential campaign was heating up had a class. It was class and government. And part of our work was to work field campaign for one of the candidates while I told my professor flunked me because I'm not gonna work in any of the campaigns McGovern Muskie Humphrey. No way, if you listen to the last Assode, you know, there was one candidate Lee could consider congresswoman, Shirley Chisholm was the first African American woman in congress and the first of her race and gender to run for president. So Lee invited Chisholm to speak to the black student union. And I went up told her about my class that I was about ready to flunk 'cause I couldn't work in any of these other guys campaigns, and maybe I would consider working in hers, and she shook her fingered me and said a little girl here. I was raising two kids, I was in my twenties by then. She says are you registered to vote said, no, and she looked at me, like you must register the vote, first of all to get involved in politics says, I'm leaving it up to my local supporters to help me with my campaign. So I went back to my class, my professor and she says, hey, that's up to you. That's part of the coursework bottom line is I ended up organizing or northern California campaign from my class at mills college, I went to Miami as a delegate, and got an A in the class. Now, remember, I was very still am very idealistic thought Shirley, Chisholm was the enemy of what a president should be. There was another candidate running for president that year. We haven't mentioned George Wallace, the governor of Alabama, who was serving a second term that he had one on a deeply racist platform. George Wallace was the Pitta me of an oppressor. And so here this man who was running for president was like the descendant of a slave owner. And it was noxious to me that America, I thought we'd come a long way, even when schools were desegregated I thought that was a major step in the late in the fifties. But now here we were dealing within the Earl. Early. Seventies, the reemergence of what I thought was the old Jim crow that we thought we were working toward into. George Wallace was reviled in the black community and revered in the white segregationist community during the pilgrimage to Alabama this year, his daughter, Peggy Wallace, Kennedy, gave a speech at the Dexter avenue king memorial Baptist church in Montgomery about when that all began to change. When I was young living back in Clayton. Alabama father, George Wallace was always on the move too much to do to sit down. Wore out the soles of shoes almost every month. You need to keep up. He'd say as we walk home from church. He thought better talked better loved life better when he and his shoes moving. Omai fifteenth nineteen seventy two that he jumped up from the breakfast table with a glass of milk in his hand. Where are you going said to Maryland? He said, have two stops then right back home. Tell the ladies in the kitchen, fix a nice dinner for us, and make sure they have enough ketchup. He said is you gave me a kiss in sideways help. The mentioned kitchen door opened then shut. I heard daddy walking down the concrete steps then over to the car. Let's go fellas said two guards and driver Aloom left at three PM at the low shopping center in law Marilyn that he was shot five times, one of the bullets lodged in his spine. Wallace was shot by Arthur Bremmer, while on the campaign trail in diaries later found by the police Bremmer detailed how he wanted to become famous by SAS innate president Nixon. But when that plan seemed to difficult, George Wallace was the next best thing. The following after noon, I stood by my daddy's bedside. When he was told he would never walk again. No more climbing fences. No more standing up. No more rushing out the door. No new soles on his shoes. One pair for the rest of his life would be old. He needed. Joanie ahead. It could no longer walk alone. Had to be seed by someone other than himself. Barbara Lee was campaigning for Shirley Chisholm at the time she was organizing northern California campaign from her class at mills college, and then the campaign was suspended, and it was the spend it so she could go visit George Wallace, the segregationist, who was shot, and he was in the hospital in Alabama. I said, what no way decision. Visit daddy in the hospital was met with surprise and consternation. So all of the optimism that I had about this candidate. I don't say went away, but I put it on hold wonder for staff was adamantly opposed. Shirley Chisholm decision to temporarily suspend her campaign to visit George Wallace, but she did. I just could not believe it. How in the world could this woman this black woman go visit this horrible individual? When congresswoman schism set on my daddy's bed, he asked her. What are you people going to say about your coming here? Shelly Chisholm replied. I know what they're going to say. But I wouldn't want what happened to you happen to anyone. Daddy was overwhelmed by her truth, and her willingness to face the potential negative consequences of her political career because of him. Something. He had never done for anyone else. I said, Missy we called her Missy or Shirley, how could you do that? I mean this man, first of all, he's running against you. And Secondly is running for president thoroughly. He's a segregationist and he's trying to maintain the status quo that you're trying to change. And once again, she shook her finger me. She said, the girl, she says, come on. Now, you're working with me and my campaign, helping me she said, but sometimes we have to remember, we're all human beings, and I may be able to teach him something to help him regain his humanity to maybe make him open. His eyes to make him see something that he has not seen. She said, so, you know, you always have to be optimistic that people can change and that you can change and that one act of kindness, make all the difference in the world. She said, so, yes, I know people angry one just me. She says, I know people really angry. She said, but you have to rise to the occasion, if you're a leader, and you have to try to break through, and you have to try to open an enlighten other people who may hate you. And that's what she told me what she said to me took root, and I hugged her banker and told her, but I'm so angry. But such you'll get over it. She says, you know, this is, who we are as black people, and she reminded us our history, and who we are. And we're not haters. We're not people who are going to, you know. Live our lives. Mean-spirited an angry and slow. She kind of walked me through why. I should move on. Neither Wallace nor Chisholm won the democratic nomination that year it went to George McGovern who lost Richard Nixon in an election, that became historic for other reasons, but it was the beginning of something else for Wallace. Shelly Chisholm had the courage to believe that even George Wallace could change. She had faith in him. And there would be others who followed. In nineteen seventy two Shirley Chisholm plan to seed of new beginnings in my father's heart. A chance to make it right. And opportunity for a better by way, for the seven year journey, he would take from there to this very church. Owner Sunday in nineteen seventy nine. That is a rival to this church was unannounced and unexpected. But for an intendant rolling his wheelchair to the front of this sanctuary, he was alone. But the congregation must've thought when he said. I've learned suffering means in a way that was impossible. I think I can understand something of pain that black people have come to endure, I know I contributed to that pain, and I can only ask for your forgiveness. As he was leaving the church. The congregation began singing amazing grace. Wall transformation not only included publicly renouncing, racism. It also involved him personally, asking black leaders for forgiveness as governor he appointed a record number of African Americans to state positions. Wallace even crowned the first black homecoming Queen at the university of Alabama, you know, and getting to know piggy. You know, I see exactly what surely Chisholm. I mean, her father she saw this happen, right there in the hospital room in front of her is what Shirley Chisholm told me when I was about to bail and no forty us later that this made an impact, and so I just see how Shirley Chisholm wisdom was something that I will always remember and be grateful for because I hope it informs me in my work every day with people. I totally disagree with. Dr Martin Luther King, once said, forgiveness, does not mean ignoring what has been done, or putting a false label owner Nieve elect rather. It means that the evil act no longer remained as a barrier to the relationship. Forgiveness is a catalyst creating the atmosphere necessary for fresh start and a new beginning. Forgiveness means reconciliation coming together. Again, without this Noman can love is in the mies. As one writer observed, who would have ever thought that George Segal, Hollis would by both word and act, become an example of what Kane proposed. Picky Wallis Kennedy entered her speech with a bit of drama revealing to the audience. What you already know that. It was now congresswoman Barbara Lee who was angered by Chisholm visit to her injured father. But it is what she said in her revelation, that demonstrates the power forgiveness, healing and purposeful reconciliation. But there is an important footnote to this story that inspires me everyday. Young campaign worker, who in nineteen seventy two was angered by Shelly Chisholm decision to suspend her campaign to visit George Wallace. My father is here in this church today, and who is like a sister to me congresswoman, Barbara Lee, and the power of love lives on. Coming up on voices of the movement, music.

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August 5, 2019: The Latest From El Paso; Trump Campaign Parallels George Wallace

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August 5, 2019: The Latest From El Paso; Trump Campaign Parallels George Wallace

"This message comes from here and now sponsor indeed. If you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started at indeed dot com slash n._p._r. Podcast from n._p._r. And w._b._z. You are i'm jeremy jeremy hobson. I'm robin young. It's here now. There is palpable grief in to american cities today in dayton ohio where nine people were killed. Twenty six wounded in the crowded entertainment district by shooter who went to school in the area. One of the victims was his own sister. Investigators are still trying to determine a motive and why he targeted his victims in a shooting in broad daylight in el paso texas on saturday. The number of dead rose today to twenty one after a victim died in the hospital. More than two dozen others were wounded at a walmart by a gunman who was in police custody and reportedly unrepentant about his belief in white supremacy and is desire to kill all mexicans. Six mexican nationals were among the dead. We'll be checking elsewhere on this program in dayton ohio but we're gonna start. This hour in el paso with carlos morales morales <hes> reporter at marfa public radio and carlos. We know you grew up in this area. Can you describe this particular walmart because a walmart consultant is called the the u._n. Of walmart's a lot of people went there. Most walmart see about fourteen thousand customers a week this story no paso saw sixty five thousand a week yeah hi robin. I grew up. Maybe about food. I don't know quick ten minute drive from that walmart and to say that it was you know that area that walmart that shopping mall that sam's <hes> that movie theater to say it was kind of a part of everyone in that areas of weekend. Routine is not an understatement. A lot of people went there. <hes> it's right next to a bus terminal. Where <hes> you know a lot of people aw will use that system to get to this area because it's got a little bit of everything you need to get over the weekend and it's maybe you know paso is on the the border and this specific walmart is again another quick drive to a main international bridge so you'll have people coming over from <hes> widest artist mexico's. You've got wada's and other cities in the state of chihuahua. You know they'll come over and <hes> they'll do their shopping and then we'll go home. That's just kind of the nature of <hes> paso. That's border live here. People go back and forth yeah and of course <hes> mexicans who had come over to shop at walmart were killed in the weekend shooting today. President trump spoke offering condolences to the president of that country. Let's listen today. We also send the the condolences of our nation to president oberdorfer of mexico and all the people of mexico for the loss of their citizens in the el paso house. Oh shooting terrible terrible thing carl. You've been doing a lot of your writing up your reporting today but what's your sense of how people in your area will respond to that given the president's language about mexicans in the past. I think <hes> that's a tough tough one to answer but i think from the the people that i have spoken with you know there's been some democratic elected officials here. They represent el paso that have said this is tied up in anti immigrant rhetoric you hear coming from the administration. <hes> and certainly i think dr people you know in el paso that would tell you the same thing well and we now know that the shooter and we're not naming the shooter but the shooter is from allen in texas. He's twenty one years old. He drove hours to come specifically to el paso he wrote an online screed about embracing white supremacy wanting to kill mexicans. He was careful to say that his feelings were pre president trump and we know of course mass shootings are very much. <hes> you know been here here for decades <hes> but what is the sense of the people there that they were attacked from from afar that someone deliberately drove to el paso to make the attack i <hes> yesterday afternoon went to a park. Which is maybe a five ten minute walk from where all of this happened from that walmart and there i ran into <hes> the seventy eight year old man and his wife who always go walking through that park and <hes> through tears. Here's this man told me that when he heard about the news of the shooting that act that tragedy that was not that was not i'll pass that was not the place he grew grew up in so he said after that the when he learned that the shooter wasn't from el paso e kind of lined up. You said he has to be reeling. We are hearing of the twenty five year old woman who might have been shielding her two month old when she was shot. We're hearing about a man in in his seventies who is wheeled out in a child's wheelchair wheeled out of the walmart in a child's wheelchair but now the family is realizing. There's a child hi old missing a wheelchair. I mean people must be really yeah. It's a city paso is resilient city having grown up here. It's a city that i think will bounce back but this this definitely stings <hes> people might not have had loved ones that were hurt or killed in the shooting. <hes> it's still resonates with the people of this place carlos morales reporter reporter at marfa public radio but also native el paso best to you as you cover this. Thank you ivan will this weekend. Shootings in el paso and dayton aiden have led to renewed calls for stricter gun laws senator sherrod brown democrat and pat toomey republican have called on the senate to vote on a universal background check bill others including republican senator lindsey graham calling four so called red flag laws limiting access to firearms. If a person is deemed a potential threat to the a public now after the aurora colorado theater shooting in twenty thirteen lawmakers in that state band high capacity gun magazines but as leap patterson of guns in america reports in the six years since few people have been sentenced for violating that law and a warning this story contains gunshot sounds a magazine is a container that feeds ammunition into a gun several states have laws restricting magazine size including colorado were magazines that hold more than fifteen rounds of ammunition are illegal but they're still out there. We're looking at a couple of pemex here that were pre band. We also looking at a military grade your magazine. This soldier didn't want me to use his name. I met him at baker. Draw a public shooting area in the grasslands lands of northern colorado six magazines. They're and they're all they all hold more than fifteen rounds. This is correct. I i don't agree with a pan of personally. He says his magazines are legal acquired. Before the ban took effect. He's practicing with them today because they're what he uses in the army and generally he says is large capacity magazines are pretty common among gun owners. He knows for dealing with predators like coyotes whether for recreation or you're that sense of carrying exactly my service member or a policeman would carry that because people think it's cool. It's cool. Generally we people who were using large capacity magazines at a shooting range for example aren't the ones getting in trouble for having them state records show that since two thousand thirteen only two hundred and four people have been charged with violating the ban george brock ler is the district attorney for colorado's eighteenth judicial district an area southeast of denver. His office has prosecuted about a dozen these cases. That's a handful of cases in the tens of thousands of cases that we prosecute over the years one of the reasons. The numbers are so low. I mean we don't have roving patrols police officers that are going door to door saying hey do. You have an extended magazine. The way law enforcement comes across these things is they have have reason to context and one for a different crime. The most common are drug and weapons offenses like possession of a firearm by a previous offender and in the process of taking matt matt firearm that come across a magazine that violates the law and they charge him with that too over the six years. The band has been in place just eleven people all men have been sentenced for violating it. Brookler doesn't think the ban has had an impact on crime and in his role as the district attorney who prosecuted the aurora theater shooter brocker doesn't think the magazine zien band would have made a difference during that incident. I just don't think you can argue that man. If we just reduced down the magazine capacity enough. We're going to save lives. I think that is speculative in the case of the aurora shooting. We'll never know of a smaller magazine would have made a difference. The incident ended when the shooter's weapon jammed and broadly. It's difficult to legislate late away mass shootings because they're so rare compared to other types of gun violence a recent study by the rand corporation found no research to suggest that magazine bands reduced outcomes like firearm suicides or officer involved shootings research on mass shootings and violent crime was inconclusive colorado state senator ron. Rhonda fields sponsored the magazine ban in twenty thirteen. Tell me what it was like. When you heard about the aurora theater shooting you know. I felt like my world was crumbling. It happened in her district and fields own son had been shot and killed years before and so when this happened in my community it was it's like reliving the pain associated with gun violence all over again. She says she is surprised by the data that so few people have been prosecuted for violating the band but she brings up the large capacity magazines used in sandy hook san bernardino and in the shooting of former congresswoman gabby giffords and wonders how many potential central mass shootings colorado's law may have prevented the number of people that have been charged and convicted. It's not great but when you think about about the future. I think it's the right thing to be doing is to limit that capacity. The future of these bands is in question gun. Rights groups are challenging california's in colorado. A lawsuit against the ban has reached the state supreme court four here and now i'm lee patterson and the story comes to us from guns ends in america a public media reporting project here and now is supported by daily harvest daily harvest delivers carefully awfully sourced chef crafted smoothies soups harvest bowls overnight oats and more all built on fruits and vegetables each single serving cup can be prepared in minutes daily harvest is designed for convenience so you can load up on fruits and vegetables first thing in the morning before bed at any time in between learn more about daily harvest first and get three free cups in your first box when you go to daily harvests dot com and use promo code now that's daily harvest dot com use promo so now today in an address from the white house. President trump spoke about the two mass shootings. Is this past weekend in dayton ohio. El paso texas the shooter in el paso posted a manifesto online consumed by racist hate back in one voice. Our nation must condemn racism bigotry and white supremacy police say the el paso shooter peter was motivated by fear of a hispanic invasion that his rallies president trump has spoken of an invasion at the southern border. Let's bring in peniel joseph jeff historian and founding director of the center for the study of race in democracy at the university of texas in austin ba- neo welcome back to here now. Thank you for having me when we hit intended to who have you on to talk about race in politics and the legacy of george wallace the pro segregation alabama governor and presidential candidate from the civil rights here and the connections that many were making to president trump and we're going to get to that but first on the news of the day and the clip that we just heard president trump there. What did you make of what the president didn't said why i think two things i think that it's important to say and i'm glad that <hes> the president or his advisers pushed him to say that <hes> this was an act of domestic terrorism in that racial hatred and white supremacy have no place <hes> in american society <hes> <hes> but at the same time the ironic contrast is that much of the president's own rhetoric <hes> vote during the two thousand sixteen election but also in the last two plus is years of his administration has really bolstered the the very forces he is now forced to publicly denounce in the wake of these horrific tragic. <hes> mass shootings this past weekend well and in fact to that point. Let's listen here to president trump back in may at a rally in panama city beach florida talking about migrants. It's illegally crossing the border when a supporter yells out at the rally shoot them but how do you stop these people you can't this. That's only in the panhandle. You could get away with that same only in the panhandle in other rallies the president has spoken of an invasion at the southern border for the suspect in the shooting reportedly wrote online that his views on race predated trumpet. How responsible is the president for a climate of hatred credit towards immigrants. Why think president trump is is largely responsible for amplifying that pre existing climate jeremy. I think one of the things things we have to understand is that when we think about who we are as americans that are core white supremacy or white nationalism absolutely has a place in american history but with the civil war does when we think about eighteen sixty one to eighteen sixty five we have to think about the civil war as a battle for a new nation not only the end of racial slavery which slavery is the key reason why that war is fought but how do we redefine american citizenship who has claims on that citizenship and since the civil war and the one hundred years after the civil war you saw women get the right to vote you saw the great society with voting rights. You saw increased immigration immigration. You saw a much more expansive vision of who we are as americans so when we think about that rally where people are saying shoot them in the president. It says you can only get away with that in the panhandle and everybody's and everybody's laughing. We have this conflict where there's there really are these two americas. There's this pre civil war america. Ah where women don't have the right to vote <hes> african americans aren't -sconsin racial slavery <hes> where people who are poor don't have a labor rights. It's <hes> don't have unions and then there's this post civil war united states that brings us by the twentieth century the new deal of the greatest generation when we think about the second second world war the civil rights movement the feminist movement a movement for l._g._b._t._q. A movement for immigrant rights just this multicultural hi cultural multiracial america that dr king talked about at the march on washington and those are that competing vision of america's what we find ourselves. I was locked in so trump's. Rhetoric is not new but it is new in terms of the modern american society that president would bolster that kind of divisive rhetoric and it's really destructive to the nation state as we've seen when the president <hes> aligns himself with white nationalist and white supremacists he it creates a culture of violence he he he didn't originate this culture but he has amplified it through his rhetoric okay well. Let's draw the comparison same with george wallace which many people have done over the last <hes> couple of weeks. Here's wallace back in one thousand nine hundred sixty three in his first inaugural address as governor of alabama and i say segregation now segregation the ma did george wallace wallace say those things because he believed them or because it was smart political strategy well. It's a combination because george wallace initially is is is much more moderate on racial segregation. He loses <hes> the race for governorship and he says that he's never gonna be out and he uses a slur by an opponent it again so he becomes the most eloquent <hes> in strident racial segregation of the time period <hes> but also he's a populist so his rhetoric is very similar to trump's in a sense of he talks about white working class americans who are being given the short shrift even during the great society he says this is largely actually happening because the federal government is too focused on african americans and civil rights and racial integration and making your kids go to school with black kids and you. Your daughter is going to have to marry one of them and he really amplifies vote. This resentment that working class whites have against washington in d._c. And the sort of perceived northern <hes> elite elites and he amplifies <hes> divisions so when we think about george wallace he won one five states that trump later wins sort of georgia arkansas <hes> louisiana alabama mississippi and he wins one electoral vote in north carolina allina <hes> those six states trump won in two thousand sixteen so there is this historic division when we think about not just <hes> regional division between north and south but in terms of the white working class and what what president or administration has really done something for them especially since <hes> f._d._r.'s new deal and by the way in one thousand nine hundred sixty eight as a presidential candidate wallace went on meet the press with edwin newman and denied that he was a racist. Let's listen. We are not fighting about it because of race. We are talking about philosophy and principles of government governor. There's a recent article in the saturday added evening. Post on new and quote you saying and these are the words let them call me a racist a whole heap of folks in this country feel the same uh-huh i do racist. What's gonna win this thing for me. Will you act you know <hes> i don't. I didn't read the saturday evening post article. I don't read articles in these. He's periodic lose <hes> much of the written so many distorted them slamming things about me. I might've said <hes> along the line. Many people agree with me but i don't believe that anybody is going to be elected president because of <hes> the race issue so that's very interesting to listen to that. I must say that last week when i was at this trump rally there was a group of about a dozen african americans in a almost entirely white crowd of nearly twenty thousand at the rally wearing t shirts that said trump and republicans are not racist and they had the hashtag blacks for trump. He actually called them out during the rally. He says he's done more more for african americans than any other president lows in unemployment <hes> criminal justice reform. What do you make of that of <hes> of the argument that he he makes that he's not racist and in fact <hes> he's done so much for the african american community in this country well yeah i think that's an absurd argument argument but it really shows you that by the impact of the heroic period of the civil rights movement because by the passage of the civil rights act in nineteen sixty four and the voting voting rights act in one thousand nine hundred eighty five the march on washington and the embrace of civil rights by both the kennedy and the the lyndon johnson administration i it was no longer acceptable in mainstream discourse for a number of reasons we think about cold war liberalism and and the ties we were trying to create alliances with african nation asian states in third world nation states to be overtly racist as sort of proudly claim so even wallace goes goes from sixty three saying he's a proud segregationist by sixty eight saying we'll know he's only for the rights of of the white working class eventually renounced his segregationist views later on and absolutely so trump is doing the same thing so we live in this world with <hes> you know racism with no racist right so what you see is it's. It's about a policy. It's about <hes> <hes> racial segregation. It's really about outcomes is how we measure <hes> race and it's also about the dehumanisation of people who are non white in this country we dehumanize immigrants through rhetoric and policy where we put them in cages we dehumanize blacks <hes> through through mass incarceration and racial profiling wiling in poverty and segregation so we always have to look who are we dehumanizing. Who are we saying that these children's lives matter these communities matter <hes> <hes> these these these folks matter and when it comes to racism we can tell <hes> by by those outcomes. I'm not surprised that both wallace and trump would would definitely maintain that they weren't racist and so so did richard nixon and president ronald reagan and now we have the tape of president reagan calling african diplomats matt monkey right so that's probably our smoking gun for many people but for those of us who studied the reagan administration we'd say that <hes> even without calling black act people monkeys or africans monkeys he was he was promoting racially bigoted policies because of the impact that these policies had on predominantly dominantly african american communities that is historian peniel joseph who is founding director of the center for the study of race democracy at the university of texas austin. Thanks so much for joining us. Thank you for having me. The president trump addressed the nation this morning the following the two mass shootings over the weekend in el paso texas and dayton ohio. He said our nation must condemn racism bigotry and white supremacy premacy as the two cities and the country grieve there have been vigils so that people can remember the victims and find comfort in their communities and sometimes it's nice in moments like these even for those of us who didn't know the victims directly to stop for a moment and listen this is some of the music from the vigil in l. paso yesterday on turn all pro eh one and oval aw it off aw <music> the sound bound from the vigil in el paso and this was the scene in dayton where there was a vigil downtown that ended with the crowd singing stand by me together as komo wilson. Don't be slow sent me me sand from stan and then we look up on oh <music> all the mountains to the sea. It should just just excuse <music>. It sounds of morning on here now and we're switching gears now to look at a new report report that showed american beekeepers lost nearly forty percent of their honeybee colonies between october and april. It's being called the worst honeybee loss in one in the decade a die off with severe repercussions for farmers right now but also for the future of agriculture dennis van ingles door focuses on pollinator health health and honeybees at the be informed partnership. That's b. e. It's at the university of maryland they publish this finding on colony lost so professor presser dennis <hes>. We've been reporting for a few years on colony decline. What's the significance of this new report well. This last winter was really bad for bees and it's it's come after we've been monitoring for awhile and there was a slow downtick in the number of colonies. We were losing every winter. Even though the number of colonies we're losing the summer seemed to going up but this last year we lost a lot of colonies this winter and we're still trying to figure out what was extraordinary about this winter that caused it and we think that some of the old hold standards are still still at play. We've always thought that pesticides are important. Varroa mites these large parasitic vampire like mites that feed on the bees and pass on viruses but this last jerry i think if you remember last year we had a lot of flooding a lot of fires and we have a lot of climate events and so we think that these things may have contributed but we still think that the leading cause of loss are verona mites the mites that we're introducing the country in the eighties and they've been here for a long time and the products we have to control them aren't working as well and also the viruses they transmit seem to have changed and become much more lethal. What do you say though to those who say yes. It's just the might and it's not things like the pesticides we know the e._p._a. Recently reintroduced a pesticide. That's said to be very highly toxic to bees. It's so vauxhall floor. It is an effective tool for farmers farmers but toxic to be so in the e._p._a. Said it could be used again. They said that when it's applied to certain trees that produce berries and other the fruits and other crops it can only use after they've bloomed right so the bees had a chance at the flower or it's restricted in areas where there's high winds so it doesn't get blown about about but you know pesticide can make its way through a landscape without wind. You still concerned about pesticides. I think that the pesticide question is a really good had won an important one and i think it's really important that we talk when we talk about bees. Are we talking about honeybees or the four thousand native bees that we have in this country when it comes to honeybees honeybees honeybees are social insects that means they live sort of as a call me so we think of the whole unit of forty thousand bees being one organism and that organism has a lot of fat that has a lot of extra bees which means that it can take a pesticide kill and still be just as healthy because you can lose thirty percent of bees and a colony and and that colony is still able to survive however these native bees are solitary or very small colonies and if they get hit by pesticides then you see long term armed damage to the population over the long term so we think pesticides certainly play a role. They probably play a much more pronounced role on native bees than on honeybees but we think thank the leading cause of you can control one thing to help honeybees. It's mites. What do you think can be done to get rid of the might there several things we can do first of all beekeepers he keeps. You need to be aware of the province. They have to be sampling regularly. We process thousands of samples of month and beekeepers can do this at home to where you count the number of mites in your calm soon as you reach a threshold you need to treat so just actively watching nights and making sure that they're not getting too high and controlling them right away. I think is important and for all beekeepers to follow up on. I think we've got lax on that. I think that there was a time where you treated your colony and you knew it at once a year and it worked but those days are over and so getting thing that information out to beekeepers is really important but we'll just real quick how do you how do you treat recently. We published a paper that shows that you need to implement at least three different strategies edgy so you can apply chemicals a synthetic chemical cheer calling but we also have organic acids and essential oils that you can apply at the right temperature that will all knock mike populations down also things you can do to your colony for instance you can make the floor of your call of the cornea screen so that let's might that just drop off of bees naturally early drop out of the colony and can't get back in and so there are other physical things you can do while you're managing your calling me to keep my populations low. I also think that it's important to know that there is a group of beekeepers out there that are very nobly minded and these are the no treatment beekeepers these are the beekeepers who believe that if we leave the callings honeybee colonies alone alone that they all survive and in fact in the forest when bees are in isolation and they're no colonies around this strategy probably works however because most colonies are left are managed in areas that are very densely populated if you have ten colonies and you let nine die in the hope that that one surviving colony honey you can breed from and save the american industry. That's a noble cause but unfortunately as those nine colonies die. We're pretty sure that the mites in those colonies are spreading unlike these might bombs in the landscape invading neighboring calms and so it's really important that if you want to breed resistant bees which is very good yeah and there's been success at doing it. You need to do that but you still need to manage the might and control the mates once you've identified that that connie is not breeding stock. This is hard work for these beekeepers and as we see if they're losing hives forty point seven percent loss. They're making a lot of money. Are you concerned about losing beekeepers by the greatest fear. It's really important to remember that. Most beekeepers in this country are small-scale backyard beekeepers and i really do recommend that everyone one take one opportunity to open a hive and hold that frame of bees in your hand on a sunny day and the birds are singing and you see these thirty thousand workers offers working in unity making this liquid gold and there's the queen it's i mean it's an exciting an awesome experience to open a colony of highs. I think everyone deserves was that now. Most of the beekeeper ninety percent of the colonies are managed by only five percent of the beekeepers and these are the commercial beekeepers these are the last nomadic farmers in america they take their bees and they put them on trucks and they move them up and down either the east or west coast and most of them in february will go to california to paul the almonds and then put their bees back on trucks move around the country just pollinating different fruits and vegetables now that group of beekeepers multifamily generations so they're great grandfathers did it and now they're doing it and these family businesses. I think are the ones that we're most worried about because if they go out of business. It's really hard to replace them because you need to be a truck driver. You need to be a mechanic. You need to be a beekeeper. You need to be an accountant and so it takes a special kind of person and we worry that if we lose too many of those big commercial beekeepers then we won't be able to paul nate all those crops that we produce in this country you remind us what a noble effort but it is being you know the u._s._d._a. Says one out of every three bites of food eaten by the average american got onto the fork by way of a pollinator meaning the bees he's but also the people who drive them around so given this drop in the colonies. There's so many dire situation right now. Where where would you put this. The thing that's really important to realize about bees and beekeepers is that it's a unique crop in the fact that when you have a dead call me me and a living colony you can go to that live in colonies split it in half by queen which can arrive in the mail address queen bee to the call that doesn't have a queen and you have to colonies again so you can split to reproduce. You're calling losses very quickly so even though a beekeeper may lose fifty or more percent of the colonies over over the winter by next summer they have made up all those losses than are still at that same level and so it's not like cows you know if you lose fifty percent of the cows you can't go split the cows and half but with bees we're able to split and replace those losses very quickly. Of course you can't do that for free. There's a loss in production. You have to spend more time doing it. So that's where the economic burden especially for these commercial beekeepers really comes to play and what are you saying. Should there be subsidies for them. I mean what what what do you think should happen well. I think there's a lot of things that can happen and i think that because this is a complicated problem it it also requires there to be good forage for bees and increasingly increasingly. We're seeing land. Beekeepers used to be able to access federal forests and so are no longer available for bees. We're also seeing that a lot of farm. Farm policy is encouraging sort of mass plantings of of crops that are treated with pesticides and so i think that there are policy regulations relations we can change in order to encourage best practices that help honeybees all pollinators. I also think that it's important that we we get some new tools rules to beekeepers to help control mites and we have to really think about why's pesticide use across the country. Do we really need to use it. That's dennis then in angles thorpe dennis professor. Thank you so much. I appreciate your time and thank you and again. Dennis studies colony health with the be informed partnership b. e. at at the university of maryland their new report found beekeepers lost forty percent of their colonies between october and april. How can you support them. Plant flowering plants free of pesticides an eat local honey. Let's get back to our top story. The two weekend mass asks shootings that left more than thirty people dead today. The president called for condemning bigotry and racism. He said it is mental. Illness and hatred did the pulls the trigger not the gun and he spoke about the role of the internet. We must recognize that the internet has provided a dangerous avenue the new to radicalize disturb mayes and perform demented ax. We must shine a light on the dark recesses of the internet it and stop mass murders before they start. We'll joining us now to look at. The role of the internet and more is derek thompson. He's senior editor at the atlantic and he joins us as he does each monday hi derek hey jamie so minutes before the shooting in el paso on saturday an anti immigrant manifesto was posted to the online message board eight chan claiming to be from the shooter. Tell us more about the role of these sites in mass shootings. This isn't the first time we've talked about something thing like this. No it's not the first time you've talked about these sites and it's not the first time we've talked about these kind of manifestos. This seems to be a depressingly familiar ritual <unk> after you see these gun related massacres happen we realized this person has been active on an online community like h chan or gab we realize they have this history of digital interactions with people through which we learned that they've become rat radicalized and then just before the attack that's happened in the new zealand massacre sure as well we learned that there is a manifesto a declaration often of wight nationalism white separatism white supremacy that comes just just before the tragedy happened so all of this seems to be part of a pattern and that's both depressing but also something that we of course have to learn. I'm from and the founder of h._s._e._n. Who no longer runs. It has called for the site to be taken offline have any steps been taken to reigning in in extremism on this site or on other sides yes so h has historically been a free for all but now you see that its founders called for it to be taken offline some of the people some of the attack companies that have hosted or protected chan or starting to back away from that company. You've seen the same thing happened at facebook as well as facebook realized that that platform platform is also being used as a vector for white nationalism facebook has now said no. We're going to ban messages of white separatism white nationalism or white supremacy. They've also taken steps to ban individuals who were regular purveyors of that sort of content so yes you have seen the platforms begin edna to react to these tragedies but i emphasize the word react because so often you see them. Take steps after the massacre. They should have taken before it now. We're talking about eight chen. <hes> because that is part of the story president trump brought up the internet today but a lot of other people are looking at what happened and saying this is about guns in america <hes> the sheer number of guns in america. How do we compare to other countries. We'll of course it's about guns guns if you look at civilian guns per capita per one hundred people in france germany italy spain. It's under twenty for all of those countries in the a u._s. It's one hundred twenty so we have more than six times. More guns per person in the typical european country. Were these kinds of mass. Shooting simply simply never happen as max fisher. A writer for the new york times explained rather depressingly two years ago. There's simply no other country that has this problem and just there's no other country that has a mass shooter problem like the united states. There's also no developed country that has as many guns per capita <hes> as the united states so it's almost impossible to explain the phenomenon of mass shooting massacres in the u._s. Without first pointing out that we have far more guns per person and far more guns in total than any similar country however even after the shootings in newtown even after after the shooting in las vegas and the pulse nightclub and all the other shootings that we could name <hes> there hasn't been any real action on a on making the gun laws ause tighter in this country so we'll see if these terrible shootings we've seen over the last couple of days will make any difference this time. Wanna ask you about one more factor. That's been brought up. Which is the i did. Mass shootings inspire other shootings in part through the use of social media right so there was a two thousand fifteen paper out of arizona state university a really interesting paper called contagion in mass killings in school shootings and it basically pointed out that these mass shootings tend to occur in bunches just like this weekend met indicated indicated to the researchers that these events seem to infect each other's seem to infect new potential murderers not unlike a disease the conclusion said quote we find significant evidence that mass killings involving firearms are incented or encouraged by similar events in the immediate past and the way that i would summarize this finding is to say that social and mass media essentially act as the vector by which the disease of mass murder spreads so so on the one hand it is of course critical that we focus on the prevalence of guns to explain the phenomenon of gun related deaths. It's also important for us to be really concerned about the way that social in mass media are sometimes complicit in advertising or bolstering during the incidents of these of the fact that these massacres that might make them more likely to happen in bunches derek thompson senior editor at the atlantic. Thanks as always thank you jeremy here nazar production of n._p._r. W._b. You are in association with the b._b._c. World service purpose. I'm jeremy. I'm robin young. This is here now mm-hmm <music>.

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Flint Had "The Donald" Before Donald Trump was Cool!

Radio Free Flint

20:32 min | 1 year ago

Flint Had "The Donald" Before Donald Trump was Cool!

"There. We're taking a break for our sponsor anchor DOT FM. Let me tell you about anchor They have a creation tools that are free that you can create your own podcast using an epithet podcast, using your phone or computer. They'll distributes your podcast for you on spotify Apple Or many other podcasts hope hosts, and you may even make money off your podcasts with no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make podcasts in one place. Download anchor for free. BY GETTING THEIR APPETITE ANCHOR DOT FM to get started, and we're using it, and hopefully you will too. Thank you very much and will resume our our program. Today much as made today about the lawless attitude displayed by president. Donald Trump. Well He, of course was endorsed by many of the Dixie land subdivision Bubbas. As part of his political base, which he eat down a victory in Michigan narrowly. That's the political basie tries to cultivate. President trump stick is irreverent boorish. He seems to not give a damn about good manners are American traditions or even our cultural customs. Trump is also a billionaire supposedly. The dixieland Baba's love reverent rich people. This love of John Belushi tight millionaires has nothing to do with ideology. Two people who are mad at everything, the notion that you can be without boundaries and say and do outrageous things is kind of appealing. The Flint. has supported some I raising. Versions of crazy and politics. Flynn had the Donald Before Donald the one. Who is in the White House came to power. Donald J Williamson that is a half a billionaire who was elected flint mayor. In two thousand and two and again in two, thousand and seven. Mir Williamson was convicted of a felony while a young man. For a pattern of buying automobiles using bad checks. He was the anti politician. were a hard hat. Full of flag decals communion stickers. Proclaiming. That he was going to make flint great again. He could be charming his health. He had an eighth grade education never used a computer and had perhaps five hundred million dollars in the bank. There's more imagine this crazy scenario. Old Old White Rich Guy runs for Mayor Flint. A city comprised of a majority of black people and a solid base of forty percent white hillbillies. He's an outcast of southern Michigan's High Society, and and it's economic delete. This candidate for public office can stick conspicuously. Flashes is enormous. Wealth gives out twenty dollar bills to those stopping by is auto. His wife's GM auto dealership if they pick up his campaign literature. He was a long time palm. Beach Florida resident. Owning a magnificent Palm Beach Mansion. Just one block from Donald Trump's Merrill Argo. That's in Palm, beach. As well. This fat guy. This rich white fat guy. Owned the championship golf course by the way in Davison Michigan. He ran a company called, and it's appropriately named the kernels. The largest American. aftermarket manufacturer of bumpers and truck bed liners in America. The rich old white guy, businessman perfects the use of the lawsuit as an economic weapon to win in business and in politics. Don't do it his way. Go to court and see what happens. His appeal is directed at the Bubbas. My subdivision and across the Midwest all while taking the role of Mr Smith goes to Washington. They're rich. Old White Guy says he's GonNa run the city of Flint like a business. The Michigan Democratic Party opposed. Donald Williamson selection as Flint mayor because he made contributions to the election of George W Bush. Starting to sound a little familiar. Mayor Williamson was elected anyway just once, but twice his amazing and honest, unexpected victories of course dumbfounded, the elites of Flint and the political glass. Everyone was surprised except the Bubbas of the dixieland subdivision in Flint Michigan. Just as an aside. Once, Donald Williamson took a dump truck full of pig manure dumped it on a U. A. W. Picket line out in a oiseaux Michigan. Were picketing as parts plan. Where he made. Bumpers for? Automobiles. Brand new automobiles. Pig Shit on the picket line was a way to show contempt for one or more institutions that Dixieland Bubba feels has betrayed him and his family. Williamson's later hired a popular UAW vice president. Responsible for. UAW General Motors. Labor negotiations to work for his wife's auto dealership. WHAT THE HELL! The union officials work was mystery to everyone. Not long after that mere Williamson bought the. U. A. W. Local five ninety nine headquarters magnificent building. That was after the Buick city. Factory was closed. and. And he turned it into a senior citizen and nightclub. For retired you a W. workers, many of whom were hillbillies as well. Go figure that one out. Lesson I gleaned from this bizarre reality show. was that the dixieland subdivision bubba was really pissed off. He wanted to get even with all those in cahoots with the corporate elite and the union bosses. And bubbas is. They were doing magic disappearing acts with their factory jobs. In America today politicians can still win elections. The old fashioned way they just buy. What is what is the common denominator between the Bubbas of Dixie land subdivision and a billionaire? It's all about the attitude. Tell Bubba at the president just raised his taxes then reduced his unemployment. Insurance won't lift a finger to fix the poison water coming out of his kitchen sink. and He's already all over that. Pure logic no longer applies Dixieland BUBBA figures. Nothing is ever going to change anyway, so he might just as well use voice for entertainment value. Michigan in two thousand sixteen bubble voted to create a miraculous shit show in the White House for the next four years. I have pointed out. History has a way of repeating itself. Nineteen Sixty Eight Michigan Bubbas. Love the governor. That was the governor of Alabama George Wallace. George Wallace ran for president is third party candidate than. Former. Formed. A new political party. The American Independent Party better known as the DIXIELAND BUBBA party. Just kidding on that one. He did form a party called the American Independent Party any pick the general note, no less as his running mate. Wallace won the electoral college boats of five southern states making it possible for Richard. Nixon squeak out a victory over Hubert Humphrey. Michigan hillbillies loved the Governor George Wallace. When I was fourteen years old. And in my neighborhood, where I was the paper boy, those Wallace signs everywhere near my Dixieland home. Townships Jason to the city of Flint where southern people migrated to work through for General Motors in the factories where nicknamed Berta, touchy and Little Missouri. Hubert Humphrey squeaked out a close victory over Nixon in Michigan but it wasn't enough. It took twenty years before another Democrat, running for President One Michigan's. votes. Wallace coined the campaign slogan. There's not a dines worth of difference between the Republicans and the Democrats Believe me when I say I'm not making this stuff up back. Then the governor was paddling, hate, segregation and white victimization. That sound familiar. Wallace even came close to selecting Colonel Harland Sanders of Kentucky Fried Chicken fame. Well. My House. Southern Fried. Chicken was for Sunday dinner, and that was the very best. Can you imagine? If Colonel Sanders. Had actually got to be the vice president in the. Sunday, what would happen at the White House? In one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, two. The governor tried again. That is George. Wallace, this time winning the Michigan Democratic presidential primary. He went mainstream. It is near genius that a shock Jock politician can build a political base upon a bunch of Dixie land subdivision Bubbas. You know the same Bubba who have a rap sheet consisting of fourteen traffic violations like reckless driving drag racing. Opening talks, consent, vehicle and domestic violence, not forgetting to mention a couple of drunk driving ramps. In my opinion, the seeds planted by George Wallace in the State of Michigan with its large southern migrant population. Giving rise to the shocking results in the two thousand sixteen presidential election. Nothing more than a mason. You! See Baba doesn't expect anything anymore. The American government can actually do something to help him and his family. He gave up on that idea flint when in June twenty ninth nine nine hundred, Ninety nine. General Motors then closed and then completely leveled the Buick city auto factory that was one of the largest automobile complexes in the world, employing twenty eight thousand auto workers in nineteen ninety, nine. Buick city had been around since nineteen o nine, my grandfather came to flint from Kentucky. The work at Buick City. At the time of its closing. UAW workers made the highest quality automobile in the world. It's primary model. The Buick lesabre had just want car of the year. When bubbas sorts out permanently closing factories, he figures. The world has gone nuts. In his mind, the original leads don't respect the shopworker anymore. Greed is now. Over patriotism as well as over the welfare of a large number of hardworking Americans. From bubbas point of view. He lost his stake and place in the order of things, not just dixieland subdivision, but in America. How do you get even with the elites who advocate making cars in Mexico or China and shutting down most of the factories out of factories flint. The billionaire corporate globalist don't run for public office. So they can't get them out of office by simply voting. Seems obvious above that the corporate classes corrupted and seduce the people in elected office. Taking Bubbas way of thinking. It's so natural to take his franchise and vote for the Fuck you party candidate. Because, that is just what Bubba feels about America and the suits that run it. What? BUBBA has not figured out just yet is at the united. States, Supreme Court, which does its work behind closed doors has taken a lot of five four votes in favor of giving the rich and powerful. the government. They buy a what the United States Supreme Court. And the major political parties haven't figured out yet is that this barrage of pro-corporate decisions are effectively cutting the umbilical cord for hundreds of thousands of disaffected rust bucket workers to the American, economic and political system. Thus. The Revolutionary Fuck you mindset take into the polls by thousands of dixieland subdivision Baba's across the midwest long with others so victimized aggrieved will eventually have consequences for the political stability of America. History does repeat itself nine, thousand, nine, hundred, thirty two FL elector sent. The First Democratic Party Congressman. To Washington DC Andrew, Jackson Trans Sue a local lawyer. Who is sent to vote for President Roosevelt's new deal? Not long after being rebuffed on the legislation that would rebalance the power equation between corporations and labor. President Franklin Roosevelt proposed to pack. The United States Supreme Court by expanding its members. That threat was enough to Cajole court for approval of the National Labor Relations Act. which passed in the bulk of the new deal economic? Rescue package as well. There's much talk today in the halls of Congress to expand the US Supreme Court after the twenty twenty elections. If the Democrats recapture majority, the US Senate in the United States presidency. Many Supreme Court decisions such as citizens united which the United. States Supreme Court license. The buying politicians by legalizing unlimited spending. On political campaigns, they acquainted these corporations with real persons like Dixieland. Baba They visit serrated any real influence bubbliness fellow flintstones may have had to use a political system to protect their economic interests. Basically Dixieland BUBBA. Doesn't sweat the small details of the US Supreme Court opinions. Dixieland bubbas pretty intuitive when it comes to people stealing his lunch pail. So long comes a guy like Donald trump wears the same blue suit and red tie every day. He swears a bit tells the elites are sleepy and dom eats hamburgers. Every meal looks Max like mad. Magazine's Alfred Newman. Treats women like Hugh. Hefner playboy and he'd get a match made in, heaven. How the hell can anyone compete with you? After a guy who says fuck you about any important? Anyone important all while claiming to be a victim of everything. And bubble loves it. The. Competition soon realizes that Bubbas really pissed off. Somehow they got to relate. So game set match off with the red ties. Get the television cameras to film. The embattled politicians eating a pepperoni pizza at Flint Sicily Pizza Ria right there at the gateway to Dixieland subdivision then get a hard hat with American flag decals pasted on it along with the Union logo. There you go. Made in America. That don't work. Just take the suit coat off because it doesn't really match the hard hat. Perhaps a baseball cap with a fuck GM on the front that might work. Bubble will really liked that one donald trump only needed seventy eight thousand Bubbas to win the Electoral College. That was in two thousand sixteen. And you and I are sitting in our gilded sun-trenched palaces, saying what the Hell is this? Absolutely amazing. Figuring out how things and feels, is not all that difficult. It doesn't require a six pack of PABST Blue Ribbon the greasy pizza and your ironed out. Levi Bluejeans to understand. BUBBA. His pickup truck just got taken back by chase. Bank His modest dixieland subdivision houses being foreclosed. The wife was diagnosed with breast cancer and they don't have the good blue. Cross health health care plan. Any longer. That to went the way of his job on the slow train to Mexico. So, clearly above a dozen relate the billionaires, either he's not in the mood to hear about impeachment or about who spies on home, and who is trying to piss higher on the fire hydrant Washington DC. It is whiskey time for BUBBA. So if you want to get bubba out of the stupor, it will take something more tangible than the shot Kesslers whiskey in pepperoni pizza. Bubble wants a cure for all the details him and he needs it desperately now. When it comes to politics, Mama's no longer a team player. He doesn't care if it's a socialist or corrupt capitalist that delivers the goods. Thank you for listening a daycare.

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What Should We Do About 2020? | George Wallace

The Daily Show with Trevor Noah: Ears Edition

38:42 min | 6 months ago

What Should We Do About 2020? | George Wallace

"You're listening to comedy. Central luxury isn't about feeling better than others. It's about feeling your best feeling fierce smoothly cruising down the street and in the first ever luxury. Suv by genesis. You can highly capable beautifully. Designed the brand new. Gv eighty is what a modern luxury suv should be. I mean somebody add to make luxury fund. Why not us with available all wheel drive in three hundred seventy five horsepower. Gv eighty is boundless by design visit genesis dot com to learn more about the first-ever gv eighty suv coming december. Twenty twenty initial availability limited. See your genesis retailer regarding gv eighty availability. Hey what's going on everybody. Welcome to the social distancing show. I'm trevor noah. Today's wednesday the ninth of december. Which means hannukah stunts tomorrow night. So you only have one day left to figure out how you're going to spell it this year anyway. Coming up on tonight's show we figure out why it's great to be white. We see why twenty twenty was such a horny year and george. Wallace joins me on the show. So let's do this people. Welcome to the daily social distancing show from couch in new york city. Your couch somewhere in the world. This is the daily social distancing show with trevor known. Let's kick things off with donald. J trump president of the united states and man who's in a fight with reality ever since he lost the election. His people have been going through every corner in the country. Trying to find a judge who will help him anews the election but yesterday he might have hit a dead end. The supreme court has now shut down an effort by president. Trump's allies in pennsylvania in that overall effort to try to overturn the election terry the. Us supreme court seemed to send a very strong signal late today with a very few words. They sure did. This was brutal david. No question about it and took supreme court just thirty four minutes between the time that president trump's allies in pennsylvania filed their brief in this case and a one sentence order from the supreme court rejecting that entire case no reasoning. Just no get out of here. And there were no recorded. Dissents by any of the justices including amy coney barrett and neil gorsuch and brett cabinet all of whom were appointed by president. Trump came in a single sentence and we quote the application for injunctive relief presented the justice alito and by him referred to the court is denied off. Man trump is taking elle's people not only. Did they shut this case down but they shut it down in just thirty four minutes. They didn't even pretend that they were going to consider it. Like asking somebody out and they just shut you down immediately. Hey would you like to know. Go out with me. And trump must be especially but hurts that the justices he appointed didn't do anything about this because in his mind. He thinks that they owe him big time. He's probably like what the hell breath i stuck with u and everyone said you're a creepy drunk. But now you won't let me be version just because i didn't get enough votes all over sudden now. You know the meaning of the word no breath. I hate all of you kneel branch and you hurt me most of all amy coney island. But here's the truth man. You complain the supreme court for not wanting to get involved in trump's case because we all have that one friend that when you see them crying you think he knew what i'm just going to keep walking because if i try to help it's going to become a whole thing so this looks like it could be the end for trump's legal efforts because he can't appeal a higher court then the supreme court i mean maybe he'll try appeal to god knows. Look i know. I'm only asking for your help when i'm walking down the ramp but this one's important big guy. Can we just take a moment to reflect on how hard this past month has been for. Trump's people because it's not easy to overturn a democracy actually taking a physical toll on them. I mean trump's hair went gray overnights. His legal team is riddled with corona. Now one of trump's top supporters congressman. Louie gohmert is literally. Falling apart was an embarrassing moment. For texas republican. Louie gohmert i have consulted been with our afghan allies many times since two thousand two thousand and one is choose fell out in the middle of a press conference on. Capitol hill congressman. Didn't miss a beach quickly. It with tongue tucked it away in his cheek and kept speaking gohmert tweeted later accusing reporters being more interested in a temporary crown coming loose in covering claims election fraud by the president. That is the most disgusting thing. I have ever seen in twenty twenty and remember. I've seen everything head meltzer. I show a human woman marion inside out ferrets but as disgusting as it is. It's still pretty funny man. I mean trump's fraud cases are getting knocked out of their court so hard that other people are losing their teeth. And it's not like louie over here can give that to to the to ferry. Because she's going to be like nah and center for this shift at my teeth from kids middle east cabbage patch dolls. And i love how you try to move on like nothing happened. Did you see that trying to move on. Like a mama mama man. I don't care what side of history you're on if you're are mid speech. Your argument is over. I know it's not fair but that's the way it is. If that happened to fdr even he would have been december. Seven thousand nine hundred eighty one day which will live in infamy all our shit. My tool congrats japan. You've won but let's move on as we answer the second year of the coronavirus pandemic the one thing on top of everybody's holiday wishlist playstation five. And after that a vaccine and senses working hard to make it happen. Great britain has really begun. Vaccinations the united states is close behind and china has now announced that its new vaccine is eighty six percent effective but the first country to start mass. Vaccinations was actually russia. And the reason they were able to be. The first is that didn't finish testing it first which might be why things haven't been going great with it so far. Interesting request for those getting a vaccine in russia officials telling citizens. Please avoid drinking alcohol for two months. After being inoculated they say that alcohol impacts the immune system there have been some questions about the efficacy of russia's vaccine reports say medical workers who have been vaccinated are still getting covid vladimir putin has also refused to take it. Wow there's a lot to unpack here. First off. Russia's vaccine doesn't allow you to drink. Alcohol was a tough situation because the only way you would agree to take a russian vaccine is totally shit faced not to mention not drinking is going to cause a lot of problems because it means that a lot of russians are going to be seeing russia's sober for the first time wilson this. My home is frozen westland would pop. Food is bits. What big alibaba's bliss. I live in caribbean also. It doesn't build public confidence in the vaccine. If your leader is like i'll take my chances with corona. That vaccine is poisoned. Trust me. I know what this poison but let's move on from time to time. I see stories that. Make me think. It is good to be white in america. Because i know a lot of white people are hurting right now but why people can also get away with shit in this country that nobody else could so you know what i think. There's some times where we're just gonna take a moment to appreciate it and be like yo man. You're so lucky you're white story. Takes place in staten island which is a little pockets of red america. Inside deep blue new york city like elmo drowned at sea and the lucky white person at the center of this story is danny presi bomb manager and harry egg. His luck began a week ago when he found the courage to take a stand against staying alive for a small are on. Stanton island max. Public house has become a national lightning. Rod in the pandemic lockdown when the southern portion of staten island went into the orange zone last month. The owner of max public house said he could not afford to close again so he declared his property and autonomous zone. He's posted statements on the windows refusing to abide by any rules and regulations put forth by the mayor of new york city and the governor hundreds of protesters outside the now infamous max public house on staten island. Tonight demanding it open for business we our community. We take back our community. We're all together. I'll take back. Staten island tonight. Okay right away. I think we can all agree that this dude is behaving very white. Yes because it's a very white things to do to just declare yourself an independent. If you don't like the law. I mean the american revolution was basically white guy. Saying i'll drink chain when. I want to drink tea. Got to quiz. Tammy's high t i want. What if i were not or not. What about coffee not to mention. He just declared himself autonomous in front of an american flag. I love these kinds of people and they always wanted both ways. America's tyrannical so i declare myself independent. You will say for real men. White people never cease to amaze me. I mean they will follow all the rules of escape the room to the letter but the moment you ask them to where mosque they turn into freedom fighters. Where was that freedom loving attitude. When i try to pick the luck instead of searching for clues. Hot chad ha chad now. Eventually the police did come to shut down the spa and that my friends is when denny. He's luck rarely started that defiant general manager. Staten island bar was released without bail after he was arrested for hitting sheriff's deputy with his car. This weekend deputies tried to arrest danny prestige after he allowed people to gather at max public house when it was supposed to be shut down when they followed him up the block to his cars. They say he ran and drove off hitting a deputy who rolled onto his hood. And despite this surveillance video that shows the incident press team has a different version of what happened when the investigation is complete. You're gonna find out that. I did nothing wrong weight. Then do to so lucky his wife you can you imagine cup. Say you hit one of them with your car and then you get released without bail. No bail misbelief if he was black. Those cups would have dragged him out of his car. Beat the shit out of him and then beat the shit out of his car and you got to appreciate how he's saying. An investigation is complete. You'll see that. I did nothing wrong. A man you're on video the investigation's all but less than five seconds is just did the investigation and they show your s drive into some police case closed so instead of being punished for plowing into a cop. This guy gets away with it like. He's in grand theft auto. And it's even better than that at least in grand theft auto. You got to go into hiding for a bit before. You're safe no. This guy immediately went to brag about it on fox news. And i'm looking at your business and you're getting killed and these restrictions i mean. Do people really understand your heart. Life and soul is involved in this sir. I just want to say. I applaud a lot of these small business. Owners that peacefully push back against this because they have no other recourse show. you is. People are frustrated and they're protective and they feel like the government is not looking out for by. Should reveal this danny. But i actually know cops that are telling you privately whispering new year. They don't wanna do this to you. There'd be forced to and. I'm really sorry that you're going through all those to be very honest boy. You so lucky white. This dude has a whole network apologizing to him for running over. Wha- policemen policemen any network for fox. News fox away stands with cops against black people but when it's a white guy suddenly fox goes breaking news. The police smoke weed every day. They even told him he was peacefully pushing back when he was pushing with his car. Your you serious right now when black people just walk in the street fox causing a riot but this white guy drives into a cup and police officer officer of the law and fox. News is like now this is. This is a hit and run. This is a hit and run. That martin. Luther king junior would've been proud of but i've got one question for you. Fox news. what happened to blue lives matter what happened to blue lars matter. I guess technically it's blue lives. Matter is above black lives matter but the number one thing is wide lives matter. It's this guy. Declares himself above the law hosts potential superspreader parties at his ball treat. The police like bowling pins and now he's a fox news hero. There is nothing to say except my man. You're so lucky you're white or are we gonna take a quick break but when we come back michael kosta will give us his idea on how to deal with the nightmare. That was twenty twenty. And then we'll look back on why everyone wanted to smash because of twenty twenty. 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See or genesis retailer regarding gv availability. Welcome back to the daily social distancing show so this month we've been looking back at twenty twenty. We're talking about music movies technology and now to give us his review of this last year. Let's bring in a man who can barely remember what he did last night. Michael kosta michael. What is your biggest takeaway about twenty twenty my biggest takeaway from two thousand twenty might take away from twenty twenty. Trevor is that we should take away. Twenty twenty k. This year was a total bust who we got nostalgic when we had to go to the dentist. Okay we should take twenty twenty put in a dumpster. Light it on fire and walk away as it explodes behind us and you know what i'm michael but i do think we should try to figure out what we can learn from twenty twenty. We pretend it never happened. You know actually just. That's exactly what we should do what we should pretend. Twenty twenty never happened yeah. Let's all agree right here. And now as a planet that twenty twenty didn't happen nothing that happened in two thousand and twenty counts. Nothing during twenty twenty is important. We just skip over the whole year. We're taking one. Big collective mulligan control all delete force. Quit dropped off at the mall. Tell it we'll be back in an hour and then move to another state across the conscious. Skip twenty twenty. How would that even work does. It's pretty simple. Trevor if you lost your job in two twenty twenty you go back to work tomorrow. If you've gotta victim and twenty twenty you walk back into your -partment it's yours again. If you got married in two thousand and twenty year now divorced if you've got divorced in two thousand and twenty year now married if you donate a kidney you go back and get that kidney if you adopted a dog you go back to the shelter if you've got circumcised while we get it we get it but that doesn't work for everything like what about school so everyone just repeats. Great again yeah. What's the problem you think anyone learned anything from remote learning. The only education children got this year was seeing that a teacher's salary can only afford you a studio apartment. I mean look at me. I'm repeated great after grade. And i'm as smart as i ever did. Yeah put this just is all mass delusion exactly but we're deluding ourselves together in if every one is delusional that no one is losing all okay and we do this all the time. Technically my uncle is an alcoholic but we as a family have decided together that he's not so now. He's just a carefree guy that likes to vomit on the dog but reality still happen. My friend you body suit changed. We all still aged. we already. Don't count reality all the time. We just have to do it now. A much faster timeline. I mean do any of us remember the pandemic of nineteen eighteen. of course. not if we did we wouldn't have made all the same mistakes again this time around so instead of being sad and miserable hundred nineteen. We just need to jump ahead one hundred years to win. They had forgotten about an all. I feel like i just got done listening to. That's well that's fine. I can just do it over as long as i get in these mistakes before december thirty first. They won't cow now. If you'll excuse me. I have to go get a kidney back. No you can actually do that. Michael michael the kidneys. There's michael that's a crime. Michael michael cost. Everyone don't forget michael cost. The has a brand new one hour. Stand up special. This friday december eleventh at eleven pm right here on comedy central. It's called detroit new york. La and it is hilarious. Be sure to check it out all right when we come back dizzy light. It goes to all the ways. The twenty twenty turned us on and george wallace. The legend is joining us on the show. So don't go away everybody it's lane welter off. I'm hosting a new podcast. Called built to last by american express where we will dive deep into the stories history and continued legacy of small businesses that shape american culture are debut season will focus on black owned small businesses. That need our support now. More than ever and each episode. We feature the story of a black business trailblazer that his fired. A modern black owned business. I up is kinky cole. Of atlanta's food truck turned restaurants celebrity. Begin we'll also chat with anita the cutting edge designer behind the haniffah three d digital fashion show. Plus we'll check in with each array are modern day renaissance woman. We hope that it encourages all of our listeners. To support these businesses as well as the black owned businesses in your own communities tune in for these amazing stories and others on spotify apple youtube. or wherever. You get your favorite podcasts. Welcome back to the daily social distancing show twenty twenty is almost over and i think we can all agree that it has been probably the best year in human history. I mean everything went perfect nothing wrong at all and for the rest of the month. We're going to be remembering all of twenty twenty s best moments today desi. It looks back on what may twenty twenty so damn sexy for many people. Twenty twenty was the most challenging year of their lives. It brought a whole new range of experiences and emotions. People were scared. They were sad they were scattered. That's when you're so sad it scares you stuck at home for most of the year had another even stronger effect on people. They were forty as hell in march. Who had a historic spike in worldwide traffic and onlyfans a site that allows subscribers to directly message and pay their favorite performers is getting around two hundred thousand new users per day. Not everyone was baking bread during the pandemic. Some people were needing their own though were so thirsty for online porn. That even your grandma finally memorize the wifi password. And she can't even remember your name but you can only watch so many pizzas getting delivered by the pool boy to step mom who's also a cheerleader. Some people were so twenty twenty. They crossed the forbidden line. Getting lucky in lockdown match dot com put out their annual singles in america survey. Get this shows that one. In four americans turn toward their roommate for intimacy and sex during the pandemic. Wow those people must have been really lonely. Not because they were boning there remains. Because we're were filling out a survey on match dot com. I don't care how desperate i get. I will never stoop that low to sleep with my roommate even if he is. My husband thankfully not everyone roommates this year. Don't keep fantasizing about it different resident in their home. The single folks out there haven't been dating because of lockdown restrictions. They've been turning to dating meetings all this stuff but there's about twenty eight percent of you is that have been getting turned on by alexa like. Hey alexa that alexa. Hey no judgment. There is nothing wrong with finding voices sexy. Mike first boyfriend was the speak and spell should known. I wasn't as type when i caught him with my simon. But the alexis thing i'm we get it. Siri definitely she's got that super hot voice who sorry. I didn't quite get that. Yeah she can quite get that anytime she wants. Alexa always sounds tight. Like she's got sand stuck in her motherboard. I heard that you skink between poor new since bank it to the robot who rewarded your toilet paper people might have spent twenty twenty stuck at home but their minds were in gutter and you could see accordionist everywhere even in places where you wouldn't expected like this summer when martha stewart dropped one of the hottest irst traps of all time or increase adams gave us a peek. His camera roll at east captained. Permission to come aboard. Sir captain america was captain of a though right but some people got to horny this year and gave hornets of bad name on settling incident involving. Cnn's chief legal analyst now off the air for allegedly pledging himself on zoom video. Call jeffrey toobin. Who is also a staff writer for the new yorker was suspended by the magazine for masturbating during the call last week with other new yorker employees and wnyc radio staff watching. Jeffrey toobin jeffrey. 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Just watching that video is the equivalent of doing five hundred key goals and we needed that. This year we felt so horny and help bliss and then this song came out and told that it's ok that you had to change your batteries at your vibrator twice this year. It's okay that you're taking extra long. Mommy showers it's okay that you're starting to find olaf from frozen attractive. You found him attractive. Before the pandemic alexa you've seen with spilling so that's the year in twenty year in so many ways but horny moments gave us just a little bit of escape. We'll never forget about the way it made us feel in our hearts in our minds and in our wet ascpa china's you receive notification lady loses out of stock gun. Dammit alexa. i will unplug you. Thank you so much dizzy. Or i stick around because when we come back the great george wallace is joining me on this show support for this podcast comes from. Cdw in del technologies cdw g. We get the migrating agency to a hyper converged. 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The pioneers the people who did it the people who are still doing it for me one of the names. That always stuck out was george wallace. You have been the comedian's comedian for the longest time but you also crush with audiences. I mean from the days of jerry seinfeld in the club's grinding away. All the way through to you having a vegas residency. You a missed. The george wallace. dr george wallace. I'm sure isn't it isn't a doctor comedy. What does the doctor did. You got it nancy. You'll be thinking. I'll be thinking docu comedy george and you mentioned signed or you know. We started out hitting the clubs clubs night. Do you know to this day. We've been best friend for forty five years to this day in new york city before the pandemic we still go to clubs four or five clubs at night and try try out these new jokes. There are few comedians. i know who love and performed. Stand up comedy as much as you do. And then the pandemic hit. And i was like where is george wallace. And what is he doing. Long since march fourteen. I shutdown my tv show And i can't tell why kanda that's coming. That's why doesn't mean first of all speak in your country. I've been the most beautiful country world and i love it table bay of us name of the beach hanging out campaign. That's the beach yes yes camps bay. I know you from johannesburg in georgia country so much. I just wanted to know you in my country. Now have you been to like. I'm going to atlanta right. Now have you oh. Of course i've been to land but you brain did you go. Holy shit you know so many black people in your life right. You know what i used to say. I used to say joe. What is something that the story atlanta moviemaking the black tampa. But i wanted to make that an income and they actually went to africa to make the movie but when they got over there so all delta and plum right back to atlanta some so i wanted to bring that up but yes what am i doing now. I'm still writing jokes. I'm having fun and you know one thing i do. I keep my legal pad with me. I continue to write new jokes every day. And and that's what i'm doing. How do you how do you. How do you stay so relevant though. My job is to keep up with times. And i'm dealing with this pandemic you're in atlanta for the last few months i've been running a book of a new book bull twitch. Yes but we would say why bull twit. 'cause i said they will buy book says both shit. So put bull twit and whatnot and these ramblings for so many so many years just stupid stuck off my head and i was wondering years before i started doing twitter. Why should i give away. My folks got three about it. I said you know what if i do this. It's not real jokes. Thoughts some the mind by do this The whole world gets to see many otherwise they have to come to las vegas but right now. I'm glad i did it now. Got almost a million followers in every day. So we get to chat with people and laugh. And how i'm like. That's what makes you fresh. That's what makes you funny to know. You've got the book of your tweets and the rents and the ramblings when i feel like an in many ways that that's how you formulate your show in vegas because you you have one of the longest residencies and we'll talk you on the vegas guy. Why why did you choose to stay in vegas like why you love vegas so much trouble. I am so honored live my dream. I've never wanted to do not be. I never wanted to do movies when i was a kid. All i wanted to do was work. Las vegas nevada. All i wanna do entertain people. Are you know it's it's not and you're talking to by the way the most successful comedian ever me is not how much money you make is how you enjoy your life. Yes yes alive. On what to las vegas broken record. I've worked longer in. Las vegas have done more shows than any african american because with the las vegas and that don't work the hotel on show. I do the same talking about jokes. So it's pretty. I love what i do as you said you were the longest african american performance in las vegas in history. But those a time when you were doing comedy when black performers won't even allowed in the club when when you had to perform in places where they wouldn't even want you to perform but you still found that joy and had comedians rallied around. You black white. Everyone was doing talk me through. That was never point in that period. Where you're like. Maybe i should pick another korean. Maybe i should do something else. You know what i do. Every night trump. i'm so blessed. Say every. And i just i just a fresh i just make up shit i i think got him and i just let me be the greatest bullshitting emma right now. Trump is kicking mask in the books to answer your question when i started comedy. Back in nineteen seventy six. There were very few black comedians. That was red fox. And that was Richard proud course and a few others and always wanted to do the company. I i said i never thought about doing anything else. Now you live in new york city before. I was a comedian. I was Nine hundred and seventy-five all the billboards spectaculars at times over those advertising boards house vice president of that company. So i was making seventy six midnight. Seventy five eighty thousand dollars a year. Wow are you serious right now. Yeah that's not what i want to do. I wanted to tell jokes. Gordon state and i don't care about money the money will come and to be able to go out and then do the tonight show so when i did the tonight show on one of the very lax. Do the tonight show. So i did it to make sure there is the next night i was on stage in seventeen thousand people. That was back day when you did the tonight show. That was than i went on. I wanted to learn how to become a comedian. Saw over for the likes of natalie cole. Diana ross work caesar's balance. I wanted to work every stage. They used to be a time. When comedy and music couldn't separate them every single musician in the country had a comedian opening up their shows. You one of those comedians performing first of all do you miss that. And secondly why do you think that stopped became a different time because we have comedy clubs now so comedians go to come into close and were back in the day. When i was opening your right comedian would open for singers. What happened to me. i'm doing i i started. Most comedians. do twenty minutes. I never had that opportunity. I work down. Ross i started twenty minutes. She says take a twenty five thirty. What was i was with tom. Jones for a five and a half years. He made me do forty five minutes every night. And i loved it. And they the most difficult part about opening Let's say golic. Tom jones the same five hundred ladies came every night because the same five hundred ladies will become every night so is gonna be emptied down front do you. For five years every night those ladies are at my show on underwear at me. And that's what taught me to be a great comedian. Learn how to do a different show. Every night i just love people. I got the greatest job in the world. Trevor do nothing. I just i just make up ship while my friend. Not only are you one of the greatest comedians for doing that. I think you're very fully qualified to be president of the united states. So if you ever get tired of vegas you know where you can start your next residency if you wanna lie all the time. Oh bright j at sixty. I could be president tomorrow. I are past should be open on sunday. I don't give a damn they say chick-fil-a level second law second class steve. Hardy ain't host and shit novel. Okay let me let me. Let me tell you more about this book here. This this book is something that most people should get makes a great christmas gift under your. You know the person that has everything but you get yes tito laughing. yes trevor. Thinking i did not go to amazon dot com. Because they take half your money for george wallace dot net go online and get this book because you need laughter in your life when you stop laughing you stop living. That's all you gotta do my friend. Thank you so much for taking the time. I hope to meet you officially in person in the flesh one day but until then i'll make sure everybody gets the book we're going to get it from the website and the next time we meet we will continue to talk about both what conduct and capetown south africa. Two percents that to you. Wanna meet me in. Bless going to meet me. People can say were shit right now. You make like this. This is how you meet now. You gotta you gotta note that. I'm an asshole. So i never coke repel saying i love you and there's absolutely nothing you can do about. Oh man george wallace. I'll see you around my friend off their self up to now. Don't forget everybody george's new book bull twit and what not is available now on his website. Go get it well. Let's show for tonight but before we go. I just wanted to remind you again to. Please try to support your local restaurants if you can. They are struggling to stay open during this pandemic and if they don't get the help that they need they might not be open for you when the pandemic is over now if you wanna help beyond just ordering food then please consider donation so. The james beard foundation's open for good campaign. Which is helping independent restaurants. Survive this pandemic until tomorrow stay safe out there. We're mosque and remember if you really want to keep cove it away from you. Just declare yourself an autonomous zone. It works every time the daily show with. Trevor noah. a addition. Watch the daily show weeknights at eleven ten central on comedy central and the comedy central watchable full episodes and videos at the daily show dot com. 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Ep. 806 - War Drums

The Ben Shapiro Show

1:00:18 hr | 2 years ago

Ep. 806 - War Drums

"Will the US go to war with Iran will go by campaign survive the weekend will ROY Moore visit the food court? I'm Ben Shapiro. This is the Ben Shapiro show. Well, a new cycle is getting very serious out there. We begin today with the obvious news that the president considered a strike on Iranian resources. It is unclear at this point where Iran, we were planning to strike, but the president apparently pulled back at the very last minute. So there were couple of conflicting reports last night. One from the New York Times one from the Associated Press about exactly what happened. It was late yesterday and the president was basically deciding whether or not to strike Iranian targets. The planes were in the air. They were all ready to go, and then they were pulled back at the very last minute. According to the New York Times, President Trump approves military strikes against Iran in retaliation for downing in American surveillance drone, but then pulled back from launching them on Thursday night after a day of escalating tensions as late as seven pm military, and diplomatic officials were expecting a strike after intense discussions bait at the White House among the president's top national security officials and congressional leaders, according to multiple senior administration officials involved in or briefed on the deliberations officials said that the president had initially approved attacks on a handful of Iranian targets like radar. And missile, batteries, the operation was underway in its early stages when it was called off. According to a senior administration official planes were already in the air. The ships were in position. No missiles had been fired when word came to stand down, according to the official is all the New York Times reporting the abrupt reversal put a halt to what would have been the president's third military action against targets in the Middle East. President Trump had twice struck at targets in Syria in two thousand seventeen and two thousand eighteen it was not clear, according to the New York Times, whether Mr. Trump simply changed his mind on the strikes, or whether the administration altered course because of logistics or strategy. It was also not clear, whether the attacks might still go forward asked about the plans for a strike in the decision to hold back the White House declined to comment as Pentagon officials. No, government officials asked the New York Times to withhold the article, and that was the report that was coming forth from the New York Times. And they talk about a split among President Trump's advisor senior administration officials said that secretary of state Mike Pompeo John Bolton the national security adviser and Judah hassle. The CIA director had. Favored, a military response, but top Pentagon officials cautioned that such action could result in a spiraling esscalation with risks for American forces in the region. That's the part of the story that conflicts with the Associated Press story. So the Associated Press story suggested that the president of the United States had been advised by the Pentagon, in fact to go ahead. They said that the strikes were recommended by the Pentagon. So, apparently, the story isn't even straight within the media's to who was recommending what the real question here was, whether it was going to ask late. If in fact, the United States took some sort of retaliatory action, obviously, President Trump thought that the answer was, maybe so this morning, the president started tweeting out his foreign policy, which, again not my recommendation because in the last twenty four hours, we have seen the president tweet out that around made a very big mistake, and then within twenty four hours. He's tweeting out why in fact, Iran might have just made a mistake. It wasn't actually on purpose. And then he was suggesting that Iran couldn't be hit because it would been too provocative. Or to, to disproportionate. Here's what the president tweeted out, we'll get what the president tweeted out clarifying his position in just one. Second. I there there's a widely held belief that procrastinations bad thing. But life isn't quite so black. And white sometimes procrastination can work in your favor. Hey, it may work in our favor with regard, Rami we procrastinate and hit him later. 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Now they are bust K. So all of this is true. And all this is correct. The president was absolutely correct to pull out of the Iran deal, which was, in fact, a deal that was garbage the entire Iran deal was. Built to allow Iran to strengthen its regional ambitions, while pledging to hold off on nuclear weapons just long enough for them to strengthen their hand and then as soon as the deal expired in tenure period, they flip the switch, and they've got nuclear weapons and now they are regional power with nuclear weapons. The deal was always a crap deal. The Obama administration, basically was paying off the Iranians not to develop nuclear weapons, but to fund terrorism just so long as was in office, and maybe a little bit beyond if another democrat had been elected and then the president addressed via Twitter. What exactly happened last night? He says, on Monday, they meaning the Iranians shutdown unmanned drone flying in international waters. We were cocked and loaded to retaliate last night on three different sites. When I asked, how many will die one hundred and fifty people sir was the answer? From general ten minutes before the strike. I stopped it not proportionate to shooting down in unmanned drone. He said, I'm in no hurry, our military's rebuilt new and ready to go by far the best in the world. Sanctions are biting. And more added last night around can never have nuclear weapons, not against the United States and not against the world. Okay. So it is that sort of middle tweet there with, which I have some issues and the one where he actually spells out, a strategy, so there are a few problems with this one. He suggests that they were basically ready to go the planes were in the air. They were on their way, and that's when he has how many people will die. Now, the president of the United States, should probably be asking that question before we load up the jets and get out there in the air, right? That should be kind of the first question to ask is, what exactly is the strike on a look? Like, what are the consequences of the strike? But be that as may. The president calls it back now it's his rationale that I have a problem with it when he says one hundred people a hundred and fifty people were going to die, and that was not proportionate. I don't know where this idiotic notion came from that, if you attack the United States, we are supposed to be proportionate in our response. In fact, I think that's a terrible idea. The reason I think that's a terrible idea is because the United States actually tried something that was basically called proportionate response is actually called escalated. Graduated esscalation during the Vietnam war is a strategy put in place by then secretary of defense Robert McNamara and the strategy, which is elicited by former Trump national security advisor HR McMaster in his book, dereliction of duty, the book is, is all about how Robert McNamara and the LBJ administration blew the Vietnam war by engaging in this graduated escalation, the idea was that we would gradually turn up the heat on the Vietnamese. An on the North Vietnamese the con- until they realized that we were going that we were very serious about this, and then they would back down. But that's not really how military conflict works. The reason that people don't wanna get involved with you and military conflict is because they are afraid you will devastate them not that you will gradually turn up the heat, but that you will devastate them. Effectively speaking foreign policy is much more like a high school playground than like a debate society, and a high school junior high playground, there's always the one kid that you didn't wanna fight because he's kind of crazy and you never knew what was going to do. And there's always that one guy on the playground. Who you sorta suspected he might have a knife in his backpack. And if things went from wrong things would get really bad for you really quickly. Well, that's sort of President Trump's appeal, right? He said this before he likes to be unpredictable. He likes to be the guy who is intimidating because you don't know what he is going to do. The fact is that if Iran knows that they can trade, basically unmanned US drone for nothing, right? In the United States not going to retaliate in any way. You think they're gonna stop pushing they like this? There's the ones initiating this conflict. So here's what Iran is after here around us after a couple of things one, they want to force up the price of oil, so they need chaos in the region because the sanctions are working because they have no money, their deliberately trying to force up the price of oil by creating chaos in the region. They've basically become North Korea except they are worried about the oil markets. And that brings us to the second rationale. The second rationale is that they are hoping that the sanctions will be dismantled, if they act militaristic enough, they are hoping that they can sort of score the same deal that the Kim regime in North Korea has scored routinely with the west which is we act like not jobs. We launch nuclear tests, every so often, we fire a few missiles over the sea of Japan, and then you sign us a check and hope that we stop. That's what the Iranians were doing with the Obama administration. It's why they signed the nuclear deal give us cash, and we'll stop this for the moment. And then every so often will act crazy again. And then you give us more cash, and then eventually, we'll have enough cash that we can do exactly what we wanted to. That's the goal that is being pursued by the Iranians and in order to achieve that goal. They also have to make the case to the Europeans that the Europeans should basically force the Trump administration to back down. So what they're going to continue to do now as push and they the Stalin line was that you push until. Oh, you hit steel, and that's effectively, what the Iranians are doing right now. They're pushing, they're pushing, they're pushing because they know that the left in the United States, the press the media are interested in boxing, President Trump in that they've created this false narrative, where President Trump is the truly Radic Forcier. The President Trump is the one who's driving the conflict that President Trump if only he were little bit kinder to the Iranians. None of this would be happening. Everything would be going back to the wonderful way that it was just before that evil President Trump took office, the Iranians know exactly what the Europeans. Think of President Trump. They know what the press things of President Trump, and they're playing that's the hilt, that's what this is all of which suggests that the president is going to have to take action here sooner or later. Truly now. The Iranians may be careful and be careful enough that they never shoot down in American manned, manned aircraft that they don't actually kill an American. Now, they just sort of keep this at a low level of boiling conflict, hoping that the Trump administration will back down, but that is not a good thing either. Because sooner or later, they will do something, the damage us enough, where we do have to retaliate if you want to stop this thing in his tracks, you do have to show the Iranians that if things get real, the Ayatollah are not only not going to be in charge of Iran anymore. They're not going to be breathing anymore because there's one thing that the Iranians want e that want a lot less than the United States does. And that's a war. It's very funny in the United States because none of us want to go to war with Iran. I don't wanna go to war with Ron, you don't wanna go to war with Ron, nobody wants worth Ron. Nobody wants hundreds of thousands of troops invading. Ron. Nobody wants Merican lives lost. Nobody wants any of those things, you know, who wants with the United States less than the United States wants war with Iran, the Iranian regime, the it goes to all out war. If it goes to all out war that regime does not stand a chance. And we should note here that there are bunch of options still on the table for President Trump. But what is being pursued right now, looks a lot like a Clinton foreign policy, and that is not a good idea. I'll explain in just one. Second. I I like having straight teeth. But did you know that as you get older? 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Us striking Ron and knocking out there navy, for example, does not mean full scale war with Ron, it doesn't because as I say, if the Iranians retaliates the point or full scale war were necessary. The chillers are dead, their atomised. They are not living anymore. The United States does have overwhelming military force with most powerful force in the history. Of the world. The one thing that the Iranians don't want at the end of all the attention. But what they don't want is the release of tension in the form of the United States bombing within crap out of them. That's not something they actually want. Number two, if the United States takes retaliatory action that does not mean, full scale war. I'm very sick of this false binary that's being driven by the media, that suggests that if the United States were to retaliate against the attack on American assets. That this means that war, full-scale Iraq-style war is exactly what's going to happen here in a second. I'm gonna read you a list of the Connecticut military actions that we have taken just since two thousand ten how many of these devolved into full-scale war, the answer zero zero the only what maybe one, maybe Libya. That's it. Okay. So here's a bit of a timeline since two thousand ten of military actions in which the United States has been involved and virtually none of these involved, a full-scale war, an aside, from two thousand eleven when we intervene militarily in Libya. Which, by the way, I opposed aside from that military intervention every intervention that I'm bout to read to you does not involve a full scale war, a number in two thousand eleven we had drone strikes al-shabaab militants in Somalia. That was the sixth nation in which we'd carried out those drone strikes, including Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq Yemen, and Libya, we send combat troops as advisers Uganda in two thousand eleven. We deployed troops to Jordan to help contain the Syrian civil war within Syria's borders in two thousand twelve we send patriot missiles to Turkey to prevent missile strikes from Syria in two thousand twelve we deployed troops to Chad in two thousand twelve we deployed troops to Mali in two thousand twelve we conducted a raid in Somalia in two thousand thirteen. We send soldiers to Gonda to help African forces. Search for Joseph Kony into thousand fourteen. We led intervention in Syria, that did not devolve into full-scale war with the Syrian regime in two thousand fourteen. And by the way, President Trump has launched two separate military strikes against Syria in two thousand seventeen thousand eighteen and neither time to devolve into full-scale war in two thousand fifteen the United States and ships to the strait of Hormuz to shield vessels, after the Iranian seizure of a commercial vessel, Iran fired shots over the ballot and sees the ship. And that's when the Obama administration chickened out and decided to sign a deal with the Iranians in two thousand fifteen we deployed three hundred troops to Cameroon. You've never heard of any of this stuff, right? The region never heard of any of this stuff is because not every US military action devolve into a full scale war. You. I lake has a good piece today, over Bloomberg talking about the various options that are available to the Trump administration. He's, he's adjusts that there are bunch of things that the United States could do, he says, Ron's revolutionary guard corps includes force are spread out throughout the Middle East not only are senior officials stationed in Syria Yemen, Iraq and Lebanon, but they're around in military outposts in those countries. Well, since two thousand seventeen the US intelligence community has prioritized the mapping of these Iranian forces in the Middle East. Options currently under consideration include strikes on those outposts time, not to result in casualties, a more serious option under consideration involves direct lethal. Strikes on Iranian commanders stationed outside of Iran. We could also strike around naval facilities as we did in nineteen eighty eight nine hundred eighty nine and operation praying mantis, and the list of US options is not limited to traditional warfare. We have cyber operations. We could continue to attack Ronnie in military computer networks, we need to restore deterrence, obviously and here is where things get ugly. It is obvious that the Democrats are not interested in restoring any level of deterrence. They're interested in trying to appease and bribe the Iranian regime, we'll get to that in just a second because we tried that in the nineteen nineties with terrorists. It did not work. 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The man behind the Iran deal who admitted to the Atlantic that he lied openly to the American public about the predicate for the Iran deal. He suggested that the Iran the Iranian regime was right on the verge of moderation, if only we'd cut a deal it was all white, it was made up, he admitted it was all made up. He's out there. Criticizing the Trump administration today saying we didn't need to pull out of a deal that was working, and we don't need to go to war over a drone. Let me just point out Ben Rhodes and the Obama administration went to war over not a drone over literally attacks on American assets in Libya, we went to full-scale war that war ended with effectively the takeover of the entire country of Libya by a variety of terrorist groups, and a mass refugee crisis that ended up swamping the southern coast of Europe, so that worked out, great. In other news has in the ministry in which he served presided over the murder of five hundred thousand people in Syria and handing over of control that country to the Russian government. So you sit this one out Ben, but not only that then tweets out, this is precisely why politics isn't a game. Diplomatic agreements should be honored and temperament intellect and judgment are, what matters who is president. It should never have come to this it. You never know what might have stopped it from coming to this. If you would take an any sort of preventative action against Iran when say your boy was in the White House, when your guy was in the White House, when your man was in the White House. Right. When? This is this is ridiculous. This is just ridiculous Kay. The fact that, that Ben Rhodes is suggesting that this is Trump's fault that it's Trump's problem when it was that led to the rise, Veron regionally in the in, in the area is pretty astonishing with that said, when it comes to President Trump's policy when it comes to President Trump's, what President Trump should do going forward, emulating the Clinton regime, or the Clinton administration emulating Clinton who basically sat back, and watched all Qaeda attack the Khobar Towers attack the embassies in the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania attack the US Cole and didn't really respond, because he was afraid that the blowback would be too, great on him politically that did not result in wonderful results for the United States. In fact, it resulted in a belief widespread in the radical Islamic terror world that the United States was a week horse that could be taken. And that was the that was the idea here. So it's. Yeah, it pre- pretty pretty astonishing pretty and, again, the people who are sort of defending Trump vacillating here. We'll see what Trump goes from here. But from continues to vacillate and do nothing that will have exactly the same results as if a democratic president did the same thing. Now listen, Trump doesn't wanna go toward, this is the thing, everybody knows Trump doesn't go to want to go to war, and this is the part of this that, so dishonest on the part of the media, and the Democrats, they keep suggesting that Trump desperately wants to take America into war yesterday. President Trump said, openly my administration, isn't pushing me into war. He suggested it could have been something stupid that the Iranians were doing like from desperately does not want conflict here. Administration, trying to close you and go, not at all. Not at all. In fact, in many cases it's the opposite. But I will say, look, I said, I wanna get out of these endless wars. I campaigned on that. I want to get at with in Afghanistan for nineteen years, as you know, we've reduce substantially enough ghanistan. We beat the caliphate. We took back one hundred percent of the caliphate when it was ninety nine percent. Justin, I said, we're going to get out we're going to start feeling back and everybody went crazy because there was ninety nine so I said, all right. So we'll finish it up. So we got one hundred percent. But this is something this is a new wrinkle. This is a new fly in the moment. What happened shooting down the drone and this country will not stand for it. Then I can tell you, thank you very much. We'll see where this goes from here. Naturally Democrats, creating a false narrative that Trump is trying to go to war, even though he obviously is not or that is from fault that it has come to this at obviously is not at a certain point, the United States will have to take action here. Okay, because there and that action can come in a variety of forms Eli, like point. Tout and it doesn't have to come in the form of full-scale war, which, again nobody wants, nobody wants. But all these false narratives running around that, if you take action against Iran that it's the end of the world and wars inevitable and everyone's going to die and all of this. That's not true. Either. Some deterrent force needs to be created here. And obviously what's been happening so far ain't cutting it. Okay. Meanwhile, the Joe Biden campaign is having some serious trouble, according to the Washington Post tensions ripple through the Biden campaign as his past working relationship with the segregation as Senator comes to the forefront, according to the Washington Post, Joe Biden was a freshman Senator, the youngest member of, of the August body when he reached out to an older colleague for help on one of his early legislative proposals. The courts were ordering racially segregated school districts to bus children to create more integrated classrooms, a practice, Biden opposed him wanted to change Biden wrote on June, thirtieth, nineteen seventy seven I want you to know that I very much appreciate your help during this week's committee meeting in attempting to bring my anti busing legislation to vote the recipients of that and treaty. With senator. James o Eastland at the time well-known segregationist would call blacks and inferior race and wants to prevent blacks and whites from eating together in Washington. The exchange revealed in a series of letters offers a new glimpse into an old relationship that erupted this week as a major controversy for Biden's presidential campaign. Now as I said before amazing that the media just uncovering this now. Weird, isn't it? He was vice president for eight long years. He's been in the Senate for one million years. Joe Biden, he's older than Methuselah and yet, only now are we digging up these letters from nineteen seventy seven just in time for a coordinated assault by Democrats on his record on race? Why whoever would have suspected, this sort of thing? And why would Brock Obama have employed such a vicious racist, as vice president of the United States Biden's, campaign, late Thursday issued a statement saying that the insinuation that Joe Biden shared the view, the same views on Eastland as Eastland segregating is ally? Nonetheless, this is becoming part of a, a sort of broader narrative about Joe Biden, that is being pushed not only by the media, but by a lot of his political rivals. He wrote a letter on March second, nineteen seventy seven to Eastland, a racist saying, my Bill strikes at the heart of the injustice of court ordered busing it prohibits, the federal courts from disrupting our educational system in the name of the constitution, where there is no evidence that the government officials intended to discriminate is that I believe there's growing sentiment in the congress to curb unnecessary bussing. Now again, this is them deliberately taking by context. The fact is that forced busing was bad policy and led to tremendous amounts of white flight from cities, so voluntary sort of segregation, people who decided to leave particular areas, because they didn't want their kids to be in, in schools, with black kids. Right. The there was a push by people that, that instead, we would have to have forced busing, then we're gonna take kids from from areas and move them into other areas. Black kids into white areas, white kids into black areas. And this is going to solve all of the problems. There's a difference between mandatory mandatory integration and. And the end of legal. Desegregation, legally Lino growly has an entire book on this professor university of Texas law. School Biden was taking the side. The can't force kids to go to a school that they don't want to go to and that it's facts. Counterproductive forced busing, by the way was giant failures of policy. It did not in fact, stop white flight. It did not it did not solve the problems of school integration. It didn't do any of those things. So if you oppose that, that didn't necessarily come from a racist place for some racist. Maybe it did but also may have come from the idea that the government doesn't have a role to play here and also the government is ineffective here, but people are trying to suggest that it's really because Biden is racist. And we're seeing all sorts of this narrative pushed out today in nineteen seventy five Joe Biden didn't interview in which he said this. I think I've made it possible for liberals to come out of the closet. If it isn't yet a respectable liberal position. It is no longer a racist. One. This is his his pushing against forced busing. He says, I think the Democratic Party could stand a liberal, George Wallace, someone who's not afraid to stand up and offend people. Someone who wouldn't pander, but would say what the American people know in their got is right now, the invocation of George Wallace is being trotted out as evidence that Joe Biden is racist, and George Wallace was a vicious racist. George Wallace was a segregationist. He believed black people were inferior. He ran for president on that platform. He wants him, southern states, so invoking George Wallace in nineteen seventy five is a pretty ugly moved by Joe Biden at the same time. Does that mean that Joe Biden was a closet segregationist? Is that the contention and does his record since nineteen seventy five mean anything on the sort of stuff is a possible, that Joe Biden is just in idiot? And he says idiotic things on a regular basis. Mean that seems a lot more plausible, but the media or come in for old Joe, and it's gonna continue in one thousand nine hundred one here's a comment he made again. Invoking. George Wallace said, sometimes even George Wallace is right about some things, one of the things that is happening in this country. Is that the American people have given up because we're not very innovative. Let me move off bussing to make my points. And then I will end my part of it. Let us take the death penalty. Everybody wants the death penalty. Now, we are going to hang everybody, do you know why they want the death penalty because stupid sociologists and guys like people who sit up here in my job for years kept telling them, we know how to rehabilitate, they do not have the slightest idea how to rehabilitate our entire criminal Justice system is premised on the points. They sentenced someone based upon the amount of time it will take to rehabilitate them. He says the American people because they're basically good like most people in my opinion are went along and said, we'll buy that and they bought it for twenty years, and it does not work again this Joe Biden, circa, nineteen Eighty-one, and I get killed by liberal constituency for saying it. I say, hey, let's forget about rehabilitation. We do not know how to do it, say it boom, tell them because if you don't you know what is going to happen? Eventually. People are gonna get so, frustrated by, by the way, liberal, sociologists, and politicians who say, we must rehabilitate our fellow man, we must help them, and then they see Richard speck come up for parole, even though he did not get it. And they say my God, why should that be? So guess what? Now they have only one or two things to choose between they choose between Strom Thurmond's, you have hanged them or continue business as usual. So this sort of language is being trotted out as evidence that Joe Biden is racist again, invoking, George Wallace, which is a bizarre decision, but Joe Biden, it seems typically invokes people. He thinks are bad like George Wallace and segregationists as sort of outliers in his examples he's been doing it for thirty years. Is that evidence that he's a vicious brutal racist? I have a tough time thinking that, that is the case. Circa, nineteen Ninety-two by the way, Joe Biden was saying that his crime Bill would hang people is another thing, that's being trotted out to prove that Joe Biden is actually a vicious racist, because his crime Bill was supposedly targeted at black folks as opposed to criminals worth, noting than this one thousand nine hundred ninety two clip. This is before hair, plugs, apparently, here's Joe Biden, talking about the crime Bill. Let me tell you what is in the Bill. And I'll let you all decide whether or not this is week me get down here. Compendium of the things that are in the Bill. One the death penalty. It provides Fifty-three death penalty offenses week is can be, you know, we do everything but hang people for jaywalking in this Bill. That's week stuff. So Joe Biden being raked over the coals and you're going to see that the entire Democratic Party has decided to jump into this. We'll get to that in just one second. I will you fight for your freedom. 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You might not like white flight. I'm not a huge fan, but that's not mean that forced busing was the solution to that. In fact, it was not it just lead to more white flight even further out so that you were outside the forced busing areas. The fact is that you cannot force people to live where you want them to live in a free country. You just cannot do that. And you can't force people to go to school where you want them to go to school in a free country. Joe Biden opposed. Forced busing therefore, he must be some sort of vicious racist. He invoked, George Wallace a couple of times, which, again is a bad move, but fully in, in line with Joe Biden being an idiot who says things without thinking about them, fully, and invokes people who are at the ultimate extreme of American politics in order to make points. This is sort of one of his strategies. Like I even make a deal with that guy. I don't even make a deal with George Wallace. Meanwhile, we need somebody who's going to be honest, like, George Wallace, but also, not a piece of crap lake George while he that's the kind of way, the Biden talks that doesn't mean that it's great but it also doesn't mean that he's a vicious racist. But the Democratic Party has decided to turn on old Joe Ailsa leading the way Cory Booker has been attacking Joe Biden and suggesting that Joe Biden is racist. And then pretending he is not suggesting that. So then what's the criticism AOC tweeted out for the record? Cory Booker does not job is an apology for pointing out that waxing nostalgic about working with segregationists is insensitive. He knows better really. What is better to stay quiet about it? Well, no, it's better is to not proclaim. The Joe Biden is actually league with segregationists, and sympathetic to segregation. And if he's not either of those things, then what exactly is the critique here truly? What is the critique? Tana. He c- coats, who is. Of course, a racial racially polarizing figure. I think that he is, as I've said, wildly overrated a money thinker somebody who relies on racial polarization in order to push a particular left leaning political agenda. He's out there bashing. Joe Biden says the Joe Biden shouldn't be presidents either. Pollen. I, I don't. I mean Joe Manchin be president, you know. You know, obviously, I don't think I'm breaking news here. You know, if you end up being the nominee better him in him, then Trump, but, you know, I, I think that's a really really low standard. Okay. So he's already out there opposing he was a Biden Sanders supporter in the last election cycle. Bernie Sanders, by the way got into it with an MSNBC anchor over Joe Biden's comments as well. The entire Democratic Party is mobilizing against Joe Biden right now. What will be fascinating, because he is whether Biden actually starts to drop in the polls. Now, we have seen a drop in the polls, four Biden, but the rich line of attack for Bernie Sanders in the debates next week will be on Joe Biden, and some of it will be racial, you'll see comma Harrison Cory Booker do it to booker's already setting up for it. So is Booker in the I'm trying member I believe Booker is in the debate with is he in the same debate as by oh, he's in the one that Warren? Okay. So, so Biden gets lucky. That means the Kamla Harris is the one who's wanting to be attacking Joe Biden over the race issue because Cory Booker is stuck in the in the kids table debate with Warne, but Sanders will go effort. So here's Sanders doing just that on MSNBC. I don't think you have to be touting personal relations with people who were very brutal. Segregationists the list of. The list of his own. Okay, ma'am. I'm sorry if you disagree with me. That's fine. That is. That's why haven't you over a decade career had to align yourself with people who don't share your views on things to look into your causes. Yeah, absolutely. It just what I said. Absolutely. I haven't so is every other member of the congress till then what's the critique the answer is a lot of this is truly dishonest. And again, it is amazing to me that the same media that suggests that beta Iraq was world-beating candidate when he was running against Ted Cruz than they flip this. Hey, look at this guy, he's an empty vessel dirt isn't that weird? He's a furry like that's the we're just noticing this now. What a weirdo with his weird, our movements and his full off entity. We're just noticing that as soon as Ted Cruz off the stage, all of a sudden, we know same thing with Joe Biden when Joe Biden is running against Paul Ryan, as VP then it's old, Joe so authentic. So true to himself, and then he runs against a bunch of other Democrats at the media, like better and suddenly, the rediscovering, how. How to do basic investigative journalism, how to search archives and find old things that Joe Biden has said and report, those things, they're finally looking into stuff like hunter, Biden. Joe Biden son doing business with countries that Joe Biden was doing business with as vice president how Joe Biden's, son, hunter was getting magical contracts from businesses located in China in the Ukraine. Well, Joe Biden was trying to do business with China. And the Ukraine is vice president of the United States. You know, when that stuff might have been more helpful to report on, when Joe Biden was vice president of the United States because all this was public material at the time, but the media, apparently the blinders only come off when it's convenient, which is pretty obvious. Okay. Time for some male bagging. So let's mail bag it up a little bit. John says hi Ben at what point if any do you think the US should take military action against a foreign adversary in this case, Iran, given that we attack the Syrian air force infrastructure in two thousand seventeen even without our own forces, being attacked what should the standard before military intervention against Iran? In this case, I appreciate your thoughts and have a great weekend. Well, obviously any military. Early intervention has to be calculated against what is the goal. The goal in this case is deterring Iran from attacking ships in the straits of Hormuz, and the Gulf of Oman, and that is the goal here. So if that's the goal it seems to me that a military intervention stop them from doing so by blowing a couple of their ships out of the water would probably be a good idea. And in fact, there's ample precedent for this. We did it in the nineteen eighty s we sank, basically their entire navy. The rinky-dink navy today when they not a US drone out of the sky in one hundred and ten million dollar US drone out of the sky that is international territory, then knocking down a couple of their surface to air missile sites that seems like perfectly proportional, and appropriate response. The point is you do what you do you have to do to deter the Iranians. I'll tell you what isn't going to turn. The Iranians is sitting there and doing nothing. Now, maybe it's possible as I suggested earlier in the show, maybe it is possible that the president merely threatening on Twitter, like guys, we were this close to me knock, and you guys we were this close. So cut it out. Maybe that does the trick. I have serious doubts that, that does the trick because, again, the credibility of the president has to be established by willingness to use force and the president has wavered on this his wavered from time to time on the level of force to be used on whether he wants to use force or not use force unpredictability, and there has to be a certain level of predictable unpredictability, but it doesn't really hold when within twenty four hours. You're saying Ron made a very big mistake. But maybe they also didn't make really big mistake, etc. Zachariah says, hey, Ben loved the show and all you guys do at the daily wire quick question about the executive branch does the president have the power to limit the alphabet soup offices that exist under the executive branch eliminate the or some of their office and then shift those funds over the border patrol? I've often wondered this after the government ought after the government audit under Barack Obama show that several agencies that were budgetary sinkholes with nothing to show for all their funding. If so why does. No president used that power. Thanks zach. Well, there was a case called the us versus Nixon in which Nixon said he didn't want to spend money allocated to the. Executive branch by congress and was passed over his veto and supreme court found that the executive branch couldn't just stop spending the money, they couldn't just not do what congress wanted them to do what the executive branch could do. Presumably, just not ask congress for the funding or veto any funding for particular department. The executive branch does have the power to fire people within an apartment. So you could theoretically eliminate nearly the entirety of department and then you know, you still have the money sitting around there as far as eliminating entire departments that are established by congressional theat. I don't believe the executive branch can unilaterally, just eliminate the department of education, legally speaking. I don't think that that's the case. Although, frankly, I'd want to check it out. I don't know the answer. Luciano says, sir, Ben, as a huge Stephen King fan for years, but over the last few years, I've been hearing his stance on politics, nowadays when I listened to his audiobooks, I hear king's point of view instead of the stories, I enjoyed, do you think there's a way to separate the art from the artists longtime listener first-time at member, Luciano? So number one, I think that it is very important to separate the art from the artists when we can there are. Horrible, people who create great art, and I think we should still be able to enjoy the art created by horrible people. The truth is virtually everybody is flawed to some extent or another. You can always find an excuse some excuses are great. Some excuses are bad as to why you should engage or not engage with somebody, but art is separate from the artists. The problem for king is the king has actually infused his books with his politics that makes it very difficult. So it'd be one thing, if king were just writing books that were political, but very often lately, I also have read many, many Stephen King books. I think particularly his premises of his books are really interesting. And then he has no idea how to finish them. This is the common pattern to Stephen King. Basically a Stephen King book starts out with this really interesting premise, and something interesting happened something odd and interesting and then it progresses for three hundred pages of pulp. And then he blows everything up that has been the ending too. I think his last three books last four books at the very end everything just sort of goes on fire and explodes, and that's annoying, just from an artistic point of view. But what's even more annoying is all of this. There's. I read under the dome and under the dome. Every villain is a caricature of, of some sort of right wing hick. Ridiculous figure who secretly who secretly, disgusting and terrible. Even though there are bible, thumper and king has this very John Lithgow in footloose view of what conservatives aren't it's very irritating. And very self flattering for king. Abraham says if a country has a trade deficit year after year. Doesn't it eventually run out of money houses, single year after year if we by five hundred billion dollars and sell only one hundred billion dollars doesn't wind up his debt? No that that is not how trade deficits work. So a trade deficit people, misunderstand trade deficit is a trade deficit is not the United States government spends more than it takes in. That's just a deficit a trade deficit is that the members of the United States citizens citizenry spend more on products from foreign countries than those countries spend on the United States, but that money doesn't just disappear. So you spend one hundred bucks on a product from China. What happens that hundred dollars? Well, the Chinese can't use it in their own commerce. They don't use. Dollars for commerce, instead, they're going to have to use that money for investment. And so very often they will use that capital for capital reinvestment, though, by American bonds, or they'll buy American companies or they'll invest in American real estate. Balance of trade is, is not in my opinion in important indicator of the economic health of a country. I mean, you don't have a balance of trade with your supermarket. You buy stuff from your supermarket all the time. Presumably, the supermarket doesn't by nearly as much from you as you buy from the supermarket. Does that mean that you have been damaged by the supermarket? You're running a trade deficit with them. The answer is no, right. Because now you save money. Presumably, the reason you shopped at the supermarket and you didn't grow all the food, and your backyard is because you wanted to save money. So trade deficit can actually for you make a lot of sense. And for the citizenry it can make a lot of sense. Now, there's an argument that is often made that trade deficit hollows out particular industries, because basically, you're buying from places that are not American. That is true. There's no question that if you buy from a place that is not American in American business. Didn't get your business but again, those dollars end up reinvest. And into the American economy over time, those dollars end up invested into presumably, more lucrative and more efficient American businesses. This is the concept of comparative advantage. What see dominates has been which charities you support? I want to donate would rather ask you than any real work. Thank you. Well there, there are many great charities. I support a bunch of prolife charities. I support a bunch of Jewish charities, obviously as a religious Jew. I as a lot of religious charities, I support, the Gary Sinise foundation, which is a pro-military charity. I'm trying to remember where I, I give a fair bit of charity last year. I'm trying to remember the exact list of organizations to which I gave it was, it was somewhere between five and ten charities that I signed fairly large checks to I'll get a list of it. But yeah, I mean there, there are a lot of wonderful charities out there Johnson slogan. I originally subscribe during the vox, Ed Pakalitha, if president from wins reelection, and let's go so far, left that they will hit a brick wall and then blow open that wall. So they can go even further left. Do you think that the moderate Democrats currently keeping quiet? We'll start. Push back against the radical left and try to take back the party from crazy. People I really doubt this, I really doubt this, because I think that the left has been driven so fully insane by President Trump and that they live in such a luge world that they believe that they are not sufficiently committed to the left. And that's why they lost in two thousand sixteen and I think the same thing we'll be true in two thousand twenty if Joe Biden is the nominee and they lose, they'll say we were to moderate, and if it is somebody who's more woke, and they lose, then we'll be well, we just need to get out there and fight harder. I think that the Democratic Party has engaged in a sort of bizarre myth of its own creation, and that myth, is that Barack Obama ushered in a new political world that Barack Obama change the status of American politics forever. And another democrat could pick up that mantle and run with it. And basically the proposition was that before this is a fifty fifty country. Barack Obama made it into a fifty to forty eight country or fifty three forty seven country and those specifically because of the outside contribution of minorities to Brock Obama's electoral coalition, so they could safely ignore. Blue collar white folks that could safely ignore the rust belt. They can save league nor all of these places and focusing only on urban areas. Drive out turnout in those urban areas and win reelection from here to the end of time. There's a lot of talk about this in the left commentary from two thousand eight to two thousand sixteen how basically a new demographic shift and the rise of the millennial generation meant the no longer have to appeal to the old constituencies. Now Democrats are wrong about this. It turns out that Barack Obama was not a transformational figure. He was unique figure is uniquely talented and unique draw particularly the black population voting population of the United States. And because of all of that he was uniquely capable of drawing outside votes for himself, but it didn't translate over to other Democrats, and you could see that it didn't translate over to other Democrats. Because he was virtually every state house in the country over the course of his presidency, so Democrats instant. But I think the Democrats are so delusional that they think that it was basically such a fluke in two thousand sixteen that all they have to do is keep doubling down on what brought them Barack Obama and they'll be fine. So I don't think they're going to shift back to the center Jacobs, says why so many celebrities leftist? Well, I think a lot of celebrities are left is because to be in the arts. And I know a lot of artists p a lot of artists are people who consider themselves sort of outcasts, as sort of the weirdoes in their communities, or the weirdos in there where they grew up the free thinkers, the people who were held down by the man, and then they escaped beautiful Hollywood. And then they decided that they were going to become more tolerant and diverse and leave behind the foolishness of their parents, because their artists and the artistes mentality. And also there's something about art. That is inherently subjective. And so, I think many artists rightly believed that there's a fair amount of luck involved in their success. And there are a lot of good actors who are working in coffee bean. Right. Now there are a lot of terrific script writers, who presumably are managing coffee beans right now. And the only thing that separates them from the people who are working in Hollywood is a fair bit of luck. So there's a feeling of sort of random ization that occurs in the celebrity world. Like did I g I worked hard for this, but it's not like those other people didn't work hard for it. It was just sort of randomized. And so there's a real guilt complex that lives in sort of celebrity halls. And a lot of those celebrities feel the necessity to pay off the social Justice warrior types to make amends for their own success to, to make amends for not being a starving artist, but for being a quote unquote sell out by engaging in extraordinarily woke politics designed to appeal to the fringes of American life, and to chide, the American people from whom they draw their money you see this very often with artists, they start to disdain, the audience that actually pays them, and it's an ugly thing and it makes it worse. Art, by the way. See Nicolas says haven as self-proclaimed patriotic Christian conservative also happens to be gay. I've enjoyed listening to your recent discussions on same sex marriage, and it's really. Ship with religion specifically, you mentioned that, while you don't believe the government should be in the business of marriage. Use an individual would not attend to gay wedding because you believe the act is a sin. I just wanted to probe this point a bit more, perhaps understand it better, which would be amenable to attending a wedding between two atheists being the completely secular. Marriages. Presumably also, not endorsed by Judaism, well, no, I don't think that it is a sin for heterosexual people to be married outside of a church. I don't think that, that is the Senate in the Jewish view. The, the, the question of same sex marriage is the idea that homosexuality not the orientation, but the actual act of the sin itself, or the legitimation of that sin is the sin the heterosexual act is not in and of itself in a married context, a sin under Judaism, says, do you think this perspective, could change your say child, or other close relatives where to come out as gay? I don't think so. And the reason I don't think so is because my definition of sin does not mean that I'm unsympathetic to people who are gay. This is something that I think folks need to understand about people who are religious. I've tremendous sympathy. The people who are homosexual in orientation. I've friends, I family who are in fact hay, and that does not mean that I think that the sin itself is no longer a sin. But it also means that I've tremendous sympathy for them. I just can't participate in the celebration of something that religiously considered to be a sin. And by the way, this doesn't just extend to homosexuality and same sex marriages, I mean, when I was on Dave Rubin show. I talked about this, this extends in Judaism to intermarriage. I can't attend intermarriage, if a non Jew, I can't go to that wedding, because that is a sin according to Jewish law. It's just so you know, I'm not of the mindset that your viewpoints on this make you or anyone else. Big at home. In fact, I think quite the opposite are shared perspective on individual liberty and personal freedom are what make America in two thousand nine hundred the best time in place in the history of the world today. Looking forward to hearing a bit more about your views, thanks, big fan of the show. Wiper sheet it, you know, one of the things that I've always found bizarre is why people care what I think, is in, I think all sorts of things our sins. And I'm I'm an orthodox Jew. That means that, like everything is info a lot. Of things, and I can recognize that I don't live up to all my own standards when it comes to sin, because no one does. And I can acknowledge that people sin. What I can't do is suggest that sin is not a sin or celebrate what I consider to be a sin. But that's not the same thing as suggesting that the government should be involved in enforcing my vision of sin on the world. And that I think is a mistake. There's no secular rationale for it. So if you don't like, what I think, is a sin. I've have good news for you. You don't have to care because I'm not imposing it on. You lakes has Haibin. What in your opinion is a proportional response to recent Iranian aggression? I'm not in favor of proportional responses. I said earlier, I'm in favor of disproportionate response efficient to establish deterrence courses haven, just subscribed in part, due to recent big tech conservative censorship. My question is Wendy taxes, moved from legitimate governmental income to theft. Thanks. What was a great book by Richard Epstein, call takings and his basic theory. Is that under the fifth amendment which talks about presumably Jomon, it said that the government cannot take private public private property for public use? Without just compensation, and that is the that is the language that is used no private property for public use without just compensation. Richard Epstein suggests I think quite correctly that what this means the government can't take your property, and then not compensate you for that property in some way. So with that means that if they take my money for taxes, and then they use it for services from the police that, I can access that is one thing, if they take my money and just hand it to Bob over there. I'm not getting compensated in any way for that. That is an illegitimate taking. I think that is a good framework for thinking about taxes Raphael says Hello, Mr. Shapiro Bernie recently tweeted, he supports unions in the gaming industry since made over forty billion last year. But he didn't just dad. He suggested that the gaming industry grossed over forty billion last year and the forty billion should therefore be distributed. Among the workers. He demonstrated that he literally does not understand the difference between gross and net. So he thinks that because the gaming industry made forty billion dollars last year. That means they profited forty billion dollars last year, which is hit the vast majority of that went to the people who work for the gaming into. Is that I've heard some downsides as Rafael of union of industries, unionizing? Can you remind me of those downsides especially for an industry is huge the gaming industry? Thanks love the show. Well, the, the problem with unionization, typically is that makes businesses less efficient? Now I'm in favor of private union, so long as they're not kneecapping, people if you want to get together with all your friends, and then unionized, and you're not trying to kneecap scabs, and you're not trying to use physical force against anybody. Enjoy all for it. Don't see a problem with it. If however, what you're talking about is forced collective bargaining where I have to negotiate with you, as the employer by law. Then you're talking about carts allies in the industry, and basically putting the workers and control of a business, they did not capitalize in the first place. If I can hire somebody more efficiently than you should be able to hire somebody more efficiently than you, also the reason that so many members of private industry have decided not to unionize, because the unionisation rate in the United States, went from something like sixty percent to something like five percent over the last several decades, the reason that, that. Happened is because people decided wait a second. What unions, very often do is they guarantee a stagnating business that I worked for that becomes unprofitable, and has to fire people also very often what unions guarantee, is seniority. So I may be a better qualified younger employees, and I can't get a raise because there's somebody else, who's older Niamh, who's a dunderheads, but the union contract says that person has to get a raise before I do I'd rather operate in a free willing manner in which I can go in and ask for an individual raise anytime I want union contracts, usually forbid that sort of thing that sort of the story with unions, okay? Time for a quick thing, and then a quick thing that I hate, and then we will be out of here, so things that I like today. So there's a really good book, edited by mayor salvation, he's rabbi should a university and Stewart help her writes the book is called proclaim liberty throughout the land the Hebrew bible in the United States source book. So what's great about this book? It's from Toby press, what, what is designed to do is provide the foundational biblical texts that a lot of early. Thinkers ranging from John Winthrop all the way up through the ham Lincoln relied upon in the form of their philosophy. The book doesn't suggest that America is quote unquote biblical country or Christian country. It does suggest that the background for a lot of the thought of the founders was, in fact, biblical thinking that, that was the backdrop and that organically speaking, the bible has a lot to do with the founding of the United States because it infused, everybody's thinking, and so it really kind of points out, how that happened takes takes foundational documents in the history of the United States and connects them with the source texts in the bible is really resource. I think it's a lot of fun. Go check it out. Proclaim liberty throughout the land the Hebrew bible in the United States source book worth worth checking out. Okay. Time for one more thing, I liked so Condoleeza Rice was questioned specifically by NBC reporter who wanted her to suggest that President Trump has radically reduced the quality of race relations in the United States, and Connie rice who lived. Through segregation who watched her church firebombed. She had some words there are people who will say it feels worse. Now when we're talking about race or just. Advice, it sure doesn't feel worse than when I grew up in Jim crow, Alabama. Okay, let's drop this notion that we're worse. The race relations today than we were in the past. Really that means we've made no progress. Really? And so I think the hyperbole about how much worse it is isn't doing any good. We still this country's never going to be colorblind. We had the initial original sin of slavery. It's still with us. Okay. So what she says there is that you put all this in perspective, which, of course, is true, and we can look at history, and we can recognize the value of history. And we can also recognize that in a free country, the way for us to all get along is who live under equal protection of the laws, which should have been tried in the fourteenth amendment, and then applied by the federal government and was not for over a century afterward, but Condie's putting things in context. Yeah, the media should should definitely take that under consideration. Time for a quick thing that I hate. So L gender Okaz yo Cortez keeps doubling down. We are now in what day four of her refusing to acknowledge the calling detention centers concentration camps is an idiot thing she doubled down on it again yesterday. She she keeps digging eventually, she's going to actually reach China. She's going to dig a hole all the way through the earth. She's gonna hit the molten core and keep going. Here's AOC once again doubling down. You're not term because it was route in our academic definition, oftentimes when people, you know, when the term concentration campus adult, what people think of our extermination camps. They think of Auschwitz and I think we need to realize that one of the biggest lesson that we learned from both holocaust historians of rights. Experts. Is that it takes a process of gradual process of increasingly dehumanizing styles? This is again, she's putting the experts in name them. Explain how many books, have you read in constant in concentration camps, explain how this is about the Boer war, the media will continue to defend her because they will defend anyone, but anyone on the left anyway, who is useful to them in the moment, and he'll they become not useful like Joe Biden in there put out to pasture like Edward G Robinson, and soil and green, but AFC will continue to double down because nobody on the left will ever, call her out on it. It's pretty impressive. And if they do call her out like Chuck Todd and they get show act as well. Okay. We'll be back here later today with two additional hours of contents. I'm Ben Shapiro. This is the Ben Shapiro show. The Ben Shapiro show is produced by Robert Stirling directed by Mike Joyner executive producer Jeremy boring senior producer Jonathan. Hey, our supervising producer is Mathis Glover, and our technical producer is Austin Stevens edited by Adam sigh of its audio is mixed by Mike, coral, Meena hair and makeup is by just over production assistant, Nik Sheehan. The Ben Shapiro show is a daily wire production copyright daily wire two thousand nineteen. Because over on the Matt wall show tonight, the Democrats have decided suddenly, now that Joe Biden is racist. Now, if that's true. Why are they just noticing now after fifty years, also I want to talk about the danger of misleading and dishonest headlines and which is a scourge now an epidemic and how we can guard ourselves against it. Finally, are we putting teachers in a basically impossible situation by sending them legions of poorly parented out of control kids to educate? I would say, yes, we are. So we'll talk about that also today over on the Matt Walsh show.

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invisible arts 05: Never Be Home

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invisible arts 05: Never Be Home

"WHO's in their vote amount? Of Water election days. Now. The. Biggest Swain here from deeper digs and rocker archaeology on. Are you registered to vote? I know I am Headcount is a nonpartisan organization that works with the music and entertainment industry to get fans to vote. Top date or check your voter registration status, go to headcount dot org or you'll find all the information you need to be ready for election day. At Headcount Dot Org. You can also check your registration status because I. Don't know if you know this, but millions of people get purged from the voter rolls every year. Everyone should check their registration status every year. The deadline to register to vote in some states is as early as October fourth. So you want to check before that. You can also request an absentee ballot get INFO on early voting finder polling place and see what's on your ballot. Headcount is a nonpartisan nonprofit that tours with musicians to help concert attendees registered to vote. But you don't need to leave your house to register to get voting impo just head to head Count Dot Org. And I'll see you at the polls. Ya. Brain from new. Star. Welcome to invisible arts with Richard Gibbs brought to you by armory of harmony. This episode is called never be home. During the twenty four hours of Lemond, the drivers change tires often as they wear out. And they changed to different types of tyres depending on road temperature and weather conditions. Rain calls for an entirely different configuration. Never being home. Requires a lot of tires. By the way this is the world's longest. To a Pun. A question I am often asked when speaking classrooms of aspiring film composers or record producers. How does one get started in this business I write the answer on the Blackboard Never be home. If you're at home watching TV or playing video games, you're losing you are missing the opportunities that can appear right in front of you out in the real world you must make connections to get hired directors. Artis hire people not resumes or composer reels. When I first moved to La I didn't know a soul I rented a studio apartment in Hollywood and acquired a job as a salesman at West La Music. By. Beethoven. Can sell ice to it's, but I was the wrong guy for the job I was the synthesizer specialist, but they didn't carry mode, which was my favorite since back then I used to send people over to the Tar Center on the sly to pick up a mini mode I joined a networking organization called the musicians contact service for a monthly fee by name was listed in a loose leaf binder of keyboard players seeking a band, and that was allowed to pour through a binder of bands seeking a keyboardist. This was decades before. Computers in the PC and all that every night after work I piled my fender Rhodes Mini Mug an amplifier in van in jammed with anybody that would have me I played with bad ass funk bands on the wrong side of town and hard rock groups in the flats of the valley. One Band played with was pretty good. But the BASS player was amazing. Mark Stevens was only seventeen and had more soul already at that age than anybody I've ever played with I haven't seen mark in decades, but strangely enough I reconnected with him. Playing. Words with friends online. So I called him yesterday to catch up. You and I just hit it off musically right away. Second I started playing you were like kind of leading into me a little bit you know playing and we're just kind of playing off of each other while we're going through the tunes and Yeah Yeah you and I talked who said, let's get together and see if the two of US could just write some songs together we set up an appointment I was going to go over and pick you up at what it turned out was your mom's house right and you lived in Burbank at the that's correct. How's your mom doing? My Mom's eighty six gone on sixty Came over there. Yes you came over I remember that in you weren't ready to go which I learned later kind of your style. And your mind lets me in the living room. I met your mom and she says I'll just have a seat and I'm sitting on the couch in the living room waiting for you. Right you know mom gave me a glass of iced tea or something, and I'm just sitting there waiting for you. And then out of the freedom, back hallway comes your sister shocker con she comes walking into the living room. I didn't know you were shocked us, little brother. You hadn't told me any of that which I applaud you for you're looking to capitalize on your sister's fame. So it was a complete shock to me I'm just sitting there and accounts in shock on comes walking out. She, looked right at me she's a held her said Hi shock your Richard Wright was like. I didn't know what to say yeah, and she's young. My little brother says you're pretty good keyboard player. He'll be out in a minute and she left she walked out with a big grin on her face and that was it as so Richard at that point, I was growing you. MD, right I didn't know that I was grooming you because I needed you. That was how I met. Shock was through you and it was all because I went and played with band in the valley. So you were grooming me then I didn't know that you were seventeen. You know until I knew you were a bad as well. Really really what happened is Richard Okay. What happened this? My big sister. Loved me so much in her career was flourishing right? Right. We go under sixty eight city tour. Yup came to me one day and say mark put a band together for me right there I don't know what to. Do. What am I gonNA do other to do and so I said. I'm music director preferably he's gotTa be Pano Blair. Oh. My God I gotTa Find Hanno player that can learn that song love is falling on the right and you say. That nineteen, seventy, eight if mutual. That was my first pro Gig I had never toured with anybody, right? Well, Kate. Adler something. Okay. Okay. I've never seen. You sweat before musically right I've never seen you right. I've seen you play some very complicated stuff in that. You know you talk to play complicated stuff, right? But I never saw you sweat into you're GONNA learn the intro to allow this all in on me Richard. Tease stuff was fucking insane. We sold our saying like like like okay. So love is followed a knee is like steinway grand. And it starts off and he's heavy on the left hand but the the Gospel influence on this keyboard part was. Tremendous and we all said that say a white blanket never played this right and you were right. You're totally right. Burn. Liberal. Oh. No. Credible. NEBI muscle. All I remember is every night on stage every night I could feel the whole ban cringing when we started on God. Here we go. In your sister with just endure it, she just looking at me and singer. But I'm sweating I sweat bullets every night. Slant to that day, right remember your other sister top boom asked you and me to put together a band for her to tour. And for some reason, we're rehearsing and her managers not paying us. And it wasn't a lot of money, but it meant something to me and I think to you. Remember. You said I got this as a really. got. So we're going to go down to the office and get our checks really. Yeah. So we go to his office and you had boop come December boo. Boo Yeah the bodyguard. Boo. You and I go in to collect our checks and boo sat on a couch in the back at the office where you were you and I were up on at the desk like demanding our money and booze sat in the back. and. He had those little hand exercise. So Springs. He just fixed his gaze on this manager and there's just squeezing those seas. And the guy just wrote us a check. On this. And that was because you. Never be home sit on strange couches. You never know who might walk out of the back hallway. Once it was good that I was home. I spent all my meager savings from the shock tour. I perform my quarterly checkbook balance realized I was flat broke. My checks were super bowl rubber. I sank down in the broken down overstuffed chair in my living room head in hand the phone on the floor rings. Hello Richard Gibbs. Yes. Keyboard player. Yes. Tom Jones is looking for a keyboard player to tour Argentina for two weeks and then to vegas an onwards are you available Tom Jones musical director had literally plucked my name out of the Musicians Union directory something that had never happened to me before or since. My fellow synthesis on that Gig was none other than Jonathan. Wolf you may not know his name, but you definitely know his music more on that later. Today rich is that Jonathan Wolf? Okay. It's always nice to hear from someone from my deep dark history. The one time that it was glad I was home was when the phone rang and the musical director for Tom Jones called me whose name I can't remember. Do you remember that guy's name Joe Par Nello? That's it. I was a WanNa be Yon Hammer I wanted to be Joe Solomon I wanted to play in weather report that's what I wanted to do and you know I was so glad to get the Gig to make the money but then that meant I was playing the Green Green Grass of home and what's new pussycat every night want stoop. What's new pussycat. And it just wasn't. Me was I remember that you. Weren't happy. I wouldn't feeling it. No, I wasn't feeling when we arrived in Vegas the first night I served notice. I said I think the next stop in Cleveland I just don't really WANNA go to. And Next thing, I know Tom's manager Gordon Mills kind of burst into the dressing room and said, you can't quit Tom Jones. What and he goes you're fired and bull. If I'm fired, then I can go home right now and you only two weeks of severance pay right and he goes yeah I said, well, that's in my contract. But if I quit I have to give you two weeks notice and I worked for those two weeks while being paid for it while you find a replacement, he goes yeah I said. So which is that I quit or am I fired and he looked at me and he goes okay you quit. But you're still fired any told everybody in the band that I had been fired. To. Have Fun. But when I see you hanging. With anyone. On News. See me. took off. Do you remember what happened the last night of the standard at Caesar's palace. Now, I'm the last night of the GIG were on the stage the blackened stage the curtains are down. We're waiting for the to get started play the warm up music and Tom comes down stupid spiral staircase and the curtains rates right and you looked over at me. Hey, you know when you get back to La. You might need some work. I've got a phone number for you. Is this guy that got this band I don't know owned I got a call and I'm not going to do it but maybe you'd like to do I remember that I remember because I wasn't in it but I knew it'd be a good fit for you. So I'm glad you took that number. Do you remember what it was as Danny? That's right. That's how I met. Any elfin that's how I ended up in uncle blowing goes because you you handed me Danny opens number nobody else did you did to your point? Don't be home that's right. That's right. Fly To Argentina or go to Caesar's Palace with Tom Jones. Never be home. The. Tab I. Think. A better dance now. Early in my composing career my then Agen Richard. Craft. Convinced his producer friend Peter Yang Braga that I was the right guy to score his next project, a Comedy Code Clifford starring Martin Short as the world's worst Hellene kid I appeared to have the inside track as Richard and Peter had also persuaded the director that I was a slam dunk. I was feeling pretty good about this and was awaiting the call to meet the director that weekend my lovely wife Linda had tasked me with something that no dad ever looks forward to. Attending a birthday party for seven year olds at chucky cheese. So off we went with Qian to chucky cheese. The place was filled with Munchkins running everywhere eating horrible pizza playing Skibo the other occupants were all MOMS except for one other forlorn dad, the host mom knew something of my background end in the tone one usually here's a mom us while saying something like why don't you go play with Heather Molly? She likes dolls to. She brought me over to a table to sit in the Fat Dad Richard This is Paul. He's in the business urine to turn out pollen. I did have a connection I was the musical director for the Tracey Ullman Show and Paul had been one of the writers on that show before I came on board our paths had not crossed as he had left before my tenure began, but we had many and laughs to share about the characters creating traces show Monday rolls around and. Richard Craft calls me sorry. We're back to square one on Clifford Martin Short had the director fired embroiled in one of his friends to take over the new director probably has his own composer damn I thought I asked Richard, the name of the new director Paul Flaherty came the answer I started laughing. What said Richard I just met him this weekend at chucky cheese the next day I had a meeting with Paul and we have another laugh and I was hired on the spot. You. Know as it turns out Paul's not only just a talented writer director. He was also a professional guitarist and played with all sorts of luminaries. I called Paul to get his recollection of our meetings. So years ago you know. That you mentioned it it. It's coming back to me. You were good musician smart musician Ringo Bongo. You had all the credentials past tense. We hit it off right away. Yup. Probably because you were real real. Big. Time van musician and I was a small timed in musicians we played with Ray Charles that's not small time. That's about as big timeless again, Rachel gluttony in to do some. So he would sing a solo today. I would play it back. Note for note. Omay once you know. At one point he said cry. Back. Yeah. What you're saying. DIFFERENT STANDARDS You came me. All now. Choice Clifford's concern I'm not I. Don't know if you're aware liberties could become A. Cult classic to a lot of people. Did you know that? No yes, it is. Really. Going on the Internet and they do reenactments reenactments from Clifford. Never be home. Even if you have to go to chucky cheese. Now, let's go back to Jonathan. Wolf Minute. But I didn't tell you is what became of him. He stayed on with Tom Jones a little longer long enough to befriend the comedian that open for Tom, which led to a life changing opportunity. Jonathan Press on. Well shortly after you left George Wallace became Tom's opening act. Georgia, and I became friends and I wrote music for his act in he and I became buddies and a couple of years. Later it turns out Jerry Seinfeld in real life has a best friend named. George, it's George Wallace. Okay. How I you onto Danny off men? Yes. George Wallace earned me onto Jerry Seinfeld and all roads lead back to Tom Jones. In this in this conversation, it looks that way. Well, it's true and that is how Jerry Seinfeld and created the theme music for signed up. Um I was the composer on seventy five Prime Time Network TV series seventy five. Yeah. Seven, five, seventy, five I didn't know you did that mini series not episode series series not hyperbole one of those series was Seinfeld Jesus Christ so I was busy no kidding in case you weren't aware I retired in two thousand, five. Yeah I heard that I took the money and ran. At. That point my wife and I had decided that's enough money. What a nice thing to be able to say, yeah, we have way too many kids and at some point, it was clear that those kids needed me more than Hollywood needed more of my music. So we picked the date two thousand and five I checked out and went into Hollywood witness protection. Moved to Kentucky and became a full time stay at home. Dad PDA. Room parent field trips, Chaperones Sports, coach volunteer, and as far as writing new music. It was somebody else's turn. Jonathan Wolf. decided to always be home. All those years of never being home had finally paid off. He didn't need the race between gigs anymore no need for racing slicks. He wanted to slow his role. He needed soft quiet tires to drive his kids to soccer practice. So he changed them. She. Retired. Invisible arts is produced. That would shed recording in. Malibu. California I'm Daniel Ferman.

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Hour 3: 6/10/20

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Hour 3: 6/10/20

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Mississippi jokes with. Michelle good afternoon. Thank you for taking my call. Thank you do with I tried Tom. I'm sorry. I'm like the show today. Going on but. Anyway When I first heard I turned on the Larry's from Maryland. ministering juice for things say I just had. A little butterball Matt because. A lot of those statues that we have. That were brought up. Or not, spotting lobbyist. Thing on. You're not confederacy. And things like that were made especially like always campus. was made to support the foucault here's. Other confederacy, and most of them didn't own slaves and also. there were a lot of slaves and three lack. That fault for the confederacy in the civil war so. He has his history on there, but. I mean that's the easy to look up. But and I think grace that. A lot of people are. Disgracing these monuments and spray painting all now before we saw heroes. That Started for. And Even, black lives matter movement. They spray painted over at the fifty fourth Massachusetts. Monuments. That is for. A, famous all Black Regiment in the Union army this past week, so a lot of people don't know that she's tree. And well thanks Kevin appreciate IT A. Justify. Main, thank you. Kevin is up next Hey Kevin. Hello! How are you? I'm well. Thank you very much first time caller well least first time getting through. thank you for taking the call here. Just want to make a couple of comments, and then I need to ask you a question if possible. One of the earlier callers says just something about black lives matter. Versus lives matter. I think somebody eloquently this way even in the Bible. Jesus said if you had ninety nine, she'd gone one win away. The concern, what about all the hundred it was about the want. My point being sing black lives. Matter does not mean anybody else's life doesn't. And I think that's the twist that we often get onto the. Comparing to the twists of. If say for instance. Captain was kneeling. Let's ask him while he was kneeling. Rather have somebody else defining and I. think that's one of the issues we have. Somebody always couldn't twists and redefining what somebody's intentions on? With this thing about some of the monuments and statues that have been you know. moved. I get a little bother. In the sense of no one's talking about what existed before those debts. No one's talking about the native. American sues. Lobby hoods store to put up. Certain places at certain cities certain. Ways of living. So why make a big fuss if we're making now a change to how things with On a slightly different subject, my question is I know. This has been addressed before. But with everything that is going on has gone on. What is your take on now? Pain Athlete. Who you know in college? Slightly different subject, but yeah well I, I appreciate what you said about the other things and. I like I. Like everything you said and I agree with you, As, far as paying players, I think the time is coming. Maybe maybe here today, but. You. Know the name image and likeness I think was probably the most critical move to get to I. Don't know why we have to wait another year and a half for them to benefit, but that's worked That's where we are but I i. think what's happening. We are. You understand this. Thing to talk about history. It's another thing to be living through it every hour, and that's what we are going through right now. If you don't think this is history, then you are clearly mistaken and not very close attention. I I think I. Think it's going to be more difficult for the NC Double A. to continue to use their normal. Just on. decypherable speak about why college athletes can't get. Be Can't be paid I mean they're going to get paid eventually. Hope so. You're right there. Thank you for calling. Thank you for sharing that. Thank you really interesting their. Joe Is up next in Florida Jeff. Thanks great to have you. Thanks Paul. Just wanted to compliment you on that great interview. with coach crew. what a wonderful man, and and such a wonderful spokesman for the southeastern conference and the issues of our day. Here's what I would like to see. Happen from that, and I think you are the only one perhaps you can make that happen. I would ask you to send that Tape Commissioner. And in turn ask him. To demand every day in the southeastern conference. In the head, football coach and the head basketball coach. Listened to that. And in turn. All things being possible that they would within six months after reviewing that. They would send him a plan. As to how they would propose. To hire. Minority. Coaches. Offensive and defensive coaches in football. And a senior coach basketball! And by the way the the gentleman from North Carolina who I suspect, we're contemporaries. I. Really disagree with him. And it took me a long time. I say older white man. To get out of those views, so thank you Paul for. Thank you so much Joe. I appreciate what you said there and and I'm kind of tired as I know. You are hearing the phrase, we can do better. I mean come on how we've been saying that forever. And what I heard from coach croom. was someone. WHO UNDERSTANDS HIS POSITION? And while he understands also the importance of discussing where he came from, and I've heard him many times talk about growing up in that era and what he and. His father taught him about Dr Martin Luther King. But. He now understands if people need need need. Need the truth and I. Don't know if I've ever heard a coach. Tell the truth more than he did today. I completely agree. And he was so eloquent doing so yeah, and and that's the challenge and I fight it every day when I'm on programs, trying to make points calmly versus screaming, and I I lose most of those battles, but I learned a lot from him today. Thank you for saying that Ub Well Joe Great to have you on Cat Daddy's South Carolina. And you're on the air. Big. What is amazing to me? And, we need to talk about something more than fifty go. I mean it's it's Douglas. There's nothing we can do. Things have gotten well. I mean for all peoples all racist. Yeah, there's more can be done. Ain't no doubt about that. But Ken Down Statues and Taking names off a building. Has Anybody thought about? If! There's no statues. What the pages don't go to bathroom. Stature. They're just not going to be statues They'll be different statues. I don't believe in digging here food. Stream the gone with the wind. With Miss Hattie McDonalds the first. African American to win. Oscar for supporting on that movie. I mean the kids need to know about need to know what went on a back during. A war. We carry tear down history that is what's wrong with the world. You can't you can't that? You got to remember and remember if the whole do that. The Ham to ask you this question. Though data and I don't mean this disrespectfully. I'm just curious. why do you let's just let's concentrate on? One or two fort. Bragg, it's one of the most famous army bases in the world. You got a home of the airborne home of the special. OPS it's named after confederate general. Why do you a black man? In South Carolina care whether that is taken down or not. You asked me a question of black man. How do you know I'm a black man? No, you've already. We've already had this conversation, but I'm asking you as a black man. Why do you not? Care if it continued I'm just curious. I. Don't mean any offense I i. just want an answer. For one thing the cost the taxpayers are going to have to pay the. We change our. Data you're you're. You're telling me that you're really concerned about the cost of taking down a statue would Fort Bragg North Carolina. Are you serious? I never knew Brag. I'm just asking you why that matters to you. because it matters to a lot of people. Because a lot of things in this world. Veterans how about spend your money? And if we don't do this I, think I think that's a good idea to. I. Don't think we're getting very far in this conversation, but I appreciate your call though we're heading to a break more to come What's that? Wayne. Claim. About what? Mark Twain and his books. There's used a lot of dirty words and what about the Hamlet? I think. Samuel Clemens was was a writer. But anyway can discuss that some other time. Shakespeare I. I'm not sure Shakespeare has been a big issue right now, but we can make it we can take. We can start if you WANNA. Make him an issue. We'll make him an issue where we have to do is take a break Thanks for the call. We coming back with much much more. Listening to the Paul Finebaum Show podcast look at me back always interesting every week to talk to Rick Harare sports business analyst Rick thanks for the time and I have to start with. The breaking news from just moments ago. THAT NASCAR has from this moment on burn can. Maybe maybe I was. Maybe that was worst. Yeah has banned confederate flags, and You're not been the many. NASCAR events over over the years I I. Don't I personally I? Don't know how you you legislative, but but what? What is the significance of this announcement? Well, the first thing is I'm not sure the details in terms of inside the track outside to track. Campers First Amendment issues state laws. There are very specific things we don't know. From the initial statement we do know is that they have a social conscience that requires them to speak up right now. When a lot of people didn't think they were going to speak up on this issue and I will tell you knowing. You know LESA France. Kennedy very well and the family very well. there is not a racist bone in any of the top executives bodies, and if it makes. Sense to make a a clear statement, even in the heart of Dixie. They'll do it. Yeah, and and I and I want to broaden because this is this is this is the one that seems like everybody's jaws dropped, and some of that goes way back. BECAUSE NASCAR Image and and you know I. I know what you're saying about. The current regime, but if you go to generations back, you probably would find some disagreement from the peanut gallery, but. Is it symbolic, or it really means something well. You and I are totally in agreement as far as you know going back, and what what the what the issues were, and we both also the quote unquote current regime, and it is a big time mainstream sport with mainstream, advertising and mainstream corporate sponsors, and and you know having to act. To appeal to to the mainstream sensibilities as they change I was involved you know twenty years ago when the heart of the tracks will world sperone Darlington not just tell the data, and since then I kinda help, but they made the decision to go to Vegas in Kansas, city, and Chicago and Dallas and and Fontana California and on and along. Along with that the values, I don't think that much because you know I know these people and it wasn't surprising to me, but as you are correctly, pointing out, the perception is reality, so is it a big difference? I think it's a heck of a statement. I'm not sure what it's really good a mean long term, but right now the statement is really really important. And certainly there are many levels of of you know sometimes. You have to do things because you mentioned the sponsored, but Nascar is a sport that. Maybe having it's coming back a little bit, but it's had some tremendous downside in recent years and your consultant. You know more about this Naidoo but. As someone who used to cover the sport all the time. I can't remember the last time I haven't heard of NASCAR fans say that the sport is has forgotten the people that made it a great sport, and I'm sure you've you've. Consulted and dealt with enough of those people as well. What do you think this is going to mean to? Well therefore base as you know, you got the subtlety, right? Is Forgetting the folks who are important code for you know this kind of thing. I don't know I'm kind of hoping for getting. A little bit of the history is probably good thing the statement that they made by the way talks about welcoming and inclusive environment for all our fans are competitors our industry. They're banning the flag as you know in all of their events and their properties, which means I think a confederate flag on the parking lot in a trailer on the way to A. A race is not tolerant now tolerable and not acceptable, so we got some First Amendment people on the other side, but I know they thought about this long and hard like they do everything and so I'm comfortable with this. Some would say it's long overdue I'm just I'm not saying it's just normal business, but again I know the current administration well and I'm not surprised. Okay well. Let me let me get to the other side of this and you have alluded to it twice. I mean you're. You're a Harvard law graduate? You teach their your -ffiliated with the premier law school in the country. Help understand the first amendment. Issues here because. There's only so far you can go. You break it down for us. Yeah, you know you you can. You can ban certain things in your own private property. This is not state action. This is a private facility on private grounds, and they're making the argument that we're. We're not going to allow certain things that offend our sensibilities, and this is one of them. There will be lawsuits you know why because we live and breathe everything that we do is subject to litigation I. I don't think the litigation stands. I think they have the ability to do what? WHAT THEY WANNA. Do and I also think that at the end of the day This is one of those things that may lead to some confrontations down the road. Unfortunately you know taking the flags down where the rubber hits the road, so to speak Paul is. Are there going to be police? Officers who will follow the desire to make a statement and take a flag down? If a flag is up in the parking lot of an event well, we'll see in the next week or the week after. I mean, we could talk for the for the rest of the year. On this issue. It's so interesting and maybe because. We both have. and been involved you more than I have. I just covered the sport. Not that much lately, but we'll visit every week because this isn't going away. Before you! Go just every week. Things change in every walk of life just from the overall sports angle, the business part of what we have been talking about the last twelve or thirteen weeks. How are we are? How are we looking for reopening? Especially in our favorite sport, a major league baseball yeah well. Let me give you some perspective on things so major league baseball can't get it in its own way. If next week you ask me and I tell you that they're not close then. That's the only sport that will not come back because of the corona virus because of money which I don't want to be in charge of the PR there to be to be. Be Sure. Hockey's coming back. Don't know where a win. They're coming back basketball. They're coming back. Don't know where the we know. It's Orlando You gotta get those players in hotels with ceilings that are larger than six feet high, and that's Orlando Soccer's coming back pro football. Everybody thinks they're going to be crowds. We don't know that and your dear sec. Of course everybody is reporting. The campus and things are happening at the same time. Many schools are saying that they're only going to be teaching. Remotely Fall, so there are some issues in the biggest issue to me. This is the biggest we've had protests there legitimate their first amendment based. But what is it? GonNa do to the spike. Great question and there are a lot epidemiologist right now. Who are very concerned as you know, we won't. We won't push you on those questions, but we will talk to you next week. Thank you, yes, sir. Great stuff, really important conversation there and have someone who began covering NASCAR. About forty years ago, the idea of confederate flags not flying is fairly straight shocking when you think about it, not that. It was ever a pleasant sight. It was just A. Pretty common sight. We'll take a break more to come after this. You're listening to the Paul Finebaum. Show podcast you. Can Be back great to have all of you here and let's get back to the calls that we have been very busy. All Day and a rod is up next in Tuscaloosa. Hayride. All To come on. Mess on situation. Sure, go right ahead. With them, taking the players down, you know are a lot of controversy date stigma. That a lot of those don't go to a lot of NASCAR. Participate participated. One thing about both in the south. We little racing, but I feel like if. Indeed it. took up a whole lot of supports the community. I think we've talked to the rate now. So I, think I, know the answer this Rod A. When when you saw. Confederate flags editor at a race which were inevitable and impossible to miss. How did you feel? Feel lonely feel like no. That we wouldn't want. You advanced there. Really don't want participate because you know that represented. That's fair why I appreciate you sharing that great to have you on and take care yourself be well. Let's continue. Logan who was up next in North Carolina, have a logan. Hype Ball good to talk to you again. Thank you. I'm kicking myself. Because I missed I was at work. I'm missing, so Vesta criminal review and I can't wait to go back and listen to it on the PODCASTS. He's always been a guy that. I really respected and I know I, think is probably the SEC it might have been federal. He's in the south. A program on him a few years ago. That was just amazing. I would say I I've known I've known coach Croome since I guess since Alabama and early eighties and It was one of the most interesting in heartfelt conversations I've had with him. I mean he he did. He didn't hold by. The also was not been dicta than and bitter honest. I can't wait to go back and listen to that I just wanted to call I. Guess the way on this whole statue issue the confederate flag. and I had to look it up. You know a statue I. Guess. The technical definition is just a carving of a person animal. but I think the whole reason we build statues is to show respect or remember. You know our ancestors I don't have a problem with that. He said a problem with teaching history. But the glorification of some people who just have a problem with I You know I grew up. Like I said before South Alabama in the eighties I remember going on a field trip to. Montgomery Alabama when I was a kid, probably like maybe the late eighties, but it was before we actually had the civil rights museum. They were breaking ground on at the time. So we went there, and then at the same time, we went to the governor's mansion and you can probably remember the governor Alabama was lady by name. lurlene be Wallace or sure And she just happened to have. She happened to have with him that day. George Wallace, and they regretting all the kids so I actually. Got To meet George Wallace face to face so just the whole dichotomy of that looking at something like civil rights. Museum or you know learning about that, and then you know seeing George Wallace that was You know what was interesting about George Wallace who remains one of the most? Controversial figures of that era that. He. He spent the last couple of years of his life. Apologizing. Profusely about his wrongs now by the way that doesn't take back all the the hatred, he spewed. The anger that he created and perhaps even the deaths that he's that he caused, but he was very redemptive in his final years. Yeah I remember him winning a the black vote when I was younger kid, and his his his last election he he he won. He won the vote in Alabama overwhelmingly, but that may have had more to do with the person. He was running against quite frankly. If I remember correctly. He was worse. Yeah! well, yeah, politics wanted to say you know. Thanks for taking my call in the usual is great, and like I said. I can't wait to go back and listen to that to. Thank you thank Logan. Really, nice of you to call Let's continue with Ricky WHO's up next in Mobile Alabama El Arabi. I'll listen first time caller, but I got two issues right now number one. Since they got all this money to balance all the billionaires out, and all the big corporations and NFL got all this Bundy. Let's go to all the neighborhoods like in the Bible Joshua Talker Jerry Code that went in in conquered. The Land God gave him all five acres in a in the house, a little home to live in, and they all got to have their own seed. Don't go for God, told them you so if you don't so, you don't reap. We got all this money we were. Talking about all the I'm telling you you go by everybody home. You put them in rural areas. Let them form. Give them hope. They gotta have money they gotTa have lane, and then everything has changed. It's all about money. You can talk about all this other stuff you. Poor people already we don't crack and we own drugs because we got no job and no hope, and although millionaire football players and basketball players over the years I've walked eight. None of them went back to the city. Harley ever done anything like that. This this can be fixed real quick. These people need lane. They need to own animal to. Rarity Ricky Ricky. Who which people are we talking about her? All the poor people. Just in any country, everybody gets to the top. They all got the rich people and they buy off. They come land just bounced off and take over laying. That's what happened. People poor did a poll I. Don't want Mitch Black and white in the more. I'll never don't mention a black man white man. You do not think it's against is only one race, and that's one talks about human race, and the other thing is the Bible talks about is already people still do what they do most of the time. It's because ain't got no. No money they still in the eating stuff you know, and then they put us on put drugs on the streets and put higher when they put cry. It everybody a get rich. We're bored and four brothers. You gotTA break. You gotTA. Give people some land. Get him out of these cities. Get them in rural areas. They don't on lane like they did back no days. Off His industrial war played that we live on 'cause all we do live for war to destroy the people in other countries. Go give people some hope given no land and let them okay all. Ricky! I'm not sure how we do that, but I will I will. I'll check into Kevin. is in North Carolina Kevin. Yeah Hey Paul how you doing hey, there. Spoke to yesterday about well, the forts named after confederate generals, but right Tom Construct time constraints got me and wanted to give you a couple more thoughts after the civil war Robert Lee retired. in Richmond makes sense And I don't know what it was two three years after that it was Easter Sunday. And he went to church. He was a fiscal. And he went to his church there and the head of the Church was white people on the ground floor. And a smaller balcony for black folk. And I'm not PISCOPO on Roman Catholic like they also have communion in the Episcopal Church very closely you know to the Catholics, but they have They went to the service halfway got to right before the people would go to the altar and Just, before that just before the white folk would go first to the altar Before the pastor called them down there. A black man from the balcony walked down. Kneel down at the altar. And the place was silent in, shock, Hosh. For few minutes, the story goes true stories in the Richmond Times dispatch. years ago and The man that got up from his cue. And kneeled beside the black man. Was Robert E Lee. Two people up there. Then the white folks said well. If, he's kneeling there, I wanna Neil up there by Robert E Lee. Think about that. That is amazing amazing. One of Lee's greatest moments, not on the battlefield, maybe better than the battlefields all victories. He won the carnage that man saw. The friends that he lost in the war. America if America America. If Robert e Lee can do something like that and it got the black man. Why can't we get this together? We can't evolve. Over one hundred years one hundred fifty years. Let the Hell Marica get it together, man. This is ridiculous. Hey, listen I. Really come to learn a lot from these chaps. We'll talk soon. Thank you very much. We've UNFOR- unfortunately are up against time. But thank you for the call. We will be right back. You're listening to the Paul Finebaum show podcast. GEICO has the insurance industry leading up. Let manage your policy anytime anywhere. Which means GEICO is always there for you. If only everyone was always there for you like animal control when you're cornered in your garage. Again, you said you would be here about an origo and I think the positive is starting to get angry. Listen I thought if I felt it would go away, but now it is ripping holes in the drywall and making some sort of nest. Just call me back. Always there for you with savings and the industry leading mobile APP welcome back to have all of you here and let's continue. Dan is next in Louisiana. Hey Paul! Thanks for taking my call. an informed about. What I see happening One thing is When George Floyd was was I murdered I. think Everybody and. Most people were outraged about it. And it wouldn't. wouldn't. Buried long after that that you know. We saw the protests that we saw the riots and all that. And I think wordage done instead of. Helping is Kinda put. Everything on pause. The I I. Don't know I see the. I see some people trying to overwhelm our systems Law Enforcement our justice system just. Everything, they try to destroy them. and. I'm just wondering about. The people have noticed that. Dan I get I'm not exactly sure What you're seeing two weeks later I? See a country that. Is, almost universally agreed that this conversation is important momentous necessary. I have seen pockets of. Violence, but but I would say by large outside of a couple of early early moments most of most of the protests have been peaceful. They've involved. Citizens of all races and creeds so I you know you may be watching a channel I'm not familiar with, but but I don't agree with what you're what you're talking about here. Okay like I, said I just you know when that first happened I believe everyone. Everyone is saw. That video was yeah. No I. Don't think there's there's never been a dispute about that. But I am. Again, maybe maybe I'm just a you know. Maybe we come from different places, but I happen to think this is a A. Energizing moment in time, I seen a lot of things in my life, and I think if there can be something positive from from a tragedy I think we're witnessing it every day, but again that's just an opinion doesn't make mine anymore more. Correct than yours Just different. Jonathan is up next in Florida Hello Jonathan. Thanks for taking my call. I I hear, it's caller. Say something. That was kind of rub me the wrong way yesterday. and I. Think he just Kinda. Missed the point, maybe 'cause he talked about how he worked for everything. He has and no one gave him anything and I I. Understand that but I think he's looking at it the wrong way because it's not about. He was given something, or he didn't work hard. It's it's like a race and he had a head start. And there's so many people that you know have to start a mile behind, and even if he runs his hardest race, and you know, and he wins the race in these really proud that he beat out. You know other people that maybe had a fair shot against him. They're a bunch of people that didn't have a fair shot and that's that's really what it's about. Well I appreciate you sharing that Johnson thank you very very much at bj's up next Jay. Thanks for the call. Welcome to the show and you're on the air. Hey Paul First of all the reason I'm calling. is about the players getting played that issue. Excuse me. The players getting paid. Right! I was a walk on at an SEC school and you could probably more accurately describe me as a tackle. As a tackling dummy. Played His not very accurate term. But in on the football field. And in the classroom, I was surrounded. By people. Who had scholarships academic and both athletic? since Anxious and Greece. athletics have been a vital part of the academic experience. I I guess a way to. Justify some of these players getting paid is some of the scholarship. some of the students that are on scholarship for academic reasons. There's really nothing holding them back from getting paid. I don't really know why. Athletes are held to a different standard than these scholars. I've thought you might have an opinion on that. the it's never really made a whole lot of sense to me. Why athletes are are held there. It's. You know. We always here and I. Know You alluded to it as A. You know. Athletes should not be treated any differently than than than the overall student body which. You and I both know isn't correct. Absolutely But if they're there and they worked hard, and they earned the right to be there and they were sought after enough to have a scholarship. I just don't see. The problem. In their getting them getting paid for their lightness. I've I've had mixed feelings over it, but. If you really think about it, yeah, I hate to run here because we're short on time Bj, but I think you're right, and and this is a conversation that will bubble up here pretty quickly hate to run. We're up against a break. We'll a recap the program in the final hour. Hope you'll give us a ring. At Eight, five, five, two, four, two, seven, two, eight five.

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Chris Stirewalt Gives a Colorful History of American Populism

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Chris Stirewalt Gives a Colorful History of American Populism

"This is kick ass news. I'm Ben Mathis. With all the stresses of life. It can be easy to lose perspective on what really matters. But Heineken believes that life is about being with friends and opening yourself to new experiences because when you live spontaneously and embraced the unexpected, it's a chance to create new stories and connections. You just have to open it. So enjoy a refreshingly cold full-bodied Heineken lager today with its deep golden color light, fruity aroma, mild bitter, taste, and a crisp clean finish. Cheers. And now enjoy the podcast. Hi, I'm Ben Mathis. Welcome to kick in us news when a populous wave swept Dow Trump into the White House in two thousand sixteen, the media's favourite adjective of the moment became unprecedented. But in fact, America's political history is peppered with a long list of populace leaders, some of whom even made it to the presidency and more than a few who's brief moment in the sun ended in defeat public disgrace. And even assassination. American populism has always been home to a fascinating assortment of charismatic leaders characters, kooks cranks, and sometimes charlatans who have with widely varying degrees of success, led the charge of ordinary folks who've gotten wise to the ways of the swamp. Let's face it where a sucker for fellow who will tell us whatever we want to hear. And as my guest today points out there is something absolutely American about the notion that you my friends are getting screwed. He. His Fox News politics editor Chris star, Walt, and he's written a fun and lively account of America's populist tradition called every man a king, a short colorful history of American populists today, Chris joins me on the podcast to discuss where populists and populist movements come from how economic resentment fueled populism, even in times of huge prosperity and why the will of the people doesn't always make for great policy. He discusses why populace leaders are so prone to huxterism and easy answers, including one politician who literally started out as a snake oil salesman and ended up inspiring classic American novel and why it's a good thing that he and most other populist leaders never actually had to govern. He talks about the least likely populace president teddy Roosevelt, why his progressive bull moose party quickly fizzled after the election of nineteen twelve, but how it had a dramatic impact on the Republican party for over a century. He describes how George Wallace. Shifted the focus from economic populism to cultural populism. Why he says Pat Buchanan is the grandfather of Trumpism and how that cook with a crew cut Ross Perot invented the trope of the businessman who can fix Washington less the time America flirted with electing a self professed socialist and radical, and I'm not talking about Bernie Sanders folks why the election of eighteen sixty four gives Chris hope, and he suggests that modern day populace might wanna spire to be the ender Jackson of Hispanic America coming up with Chris sti- Welt in just a moment. Chris star. Walt is the politics editor at Fox News where he authors the daily Fox News halftime report and co host the hit podcast, Perino and style. Walt, I'll tell you what he's written. A new book called every man, a king, a short colorful history of American populace. Chris, welcome to the podcast. Well, thank you for having me to pleasure to be here. Absolutely. Now the title is a reference to a pledge made by the Louisiana populist Huey long, and he's just one of seven American populist you discuss in every man king and I love the opening line to this book. You say there is something absolutely American about the notion that you my friends are getting screwed royally. No, that's not good. Is it? I mean, does populism just boil down to grievance politics? Well, what's what's the? What? Allen joke. Even paranoiac have enemies. Some grievances a real. You know, the the grievances that Andrew Jackson carried forth on behalf of the Scots Irish emigrants, and their descendants who were filling up the interior of the country in the booming start of the nineteenth century for for those people, they had grievances against an eastern elite that shut them out. And so, yeah, did the did the farmers who supported William Jennings Bryan have grievances against New York, Philadelphia, and the economic centers of the east that profited by tariffs and left them to wither like winter wheat out in the prairie. Sure. You know to meet populism is about win the Burr under the saddle gets to itching so bad that that revolt breaks out when you have a group, any group of people. You know, in our current moment, we have populist populist leaders on both sides on all sides, Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders. People who are leading, they say, we're leading a revolt. We are storming, the parapet, we are coming in and you people who have control the levers of power. We're going to take you on. We're going to take you out. And I think that you say that populism usually gets traction when there's an imbalance between freedom and order in society. I think that you know, government rightly understood is to find that equa poise between freedom and order that we need a. We need enough in the CS Lewis who in I think I think it was the four loves, but he talks about what's the purpose of government. What's the rightful purpose of governor. And he says, man, and his wife sitting in talking by the fire man, reading a book alone in his room, a man working in his garden by himself. These are the small things. These are the purpose of government is to allow for those things. If you live in Russia, you don't get you not even with your wife alone. Do you say what you want all the time? If you live in China, you certainly don't read what you want all the time. But if you live in Somalia, you don't work in your garden Lottie da by yourself on a pleasant Sunday afternoon because there is no garden. And if there was one, there'd be RPG rounds going overhead. So rightful government is to protect your freedoms, but also to maintain enough order so that your freedoms can be preserved. Now you bring up an interesting paradox to populism in this book because there's always some strong economic resentment behind these movements. And apparently that happens even when the economy has been healthy and we sort of see that right now because we have the president of the United States. Telling people the economy's doing gangbusters yet his supporters, although they don't blame him for this still complain that they're not getting a fair shake, whatever happened to a rising tide lifts all ships here. Well, there's more to life than money. Yeah, you know when we look at George Wallace, the economy in nineteen sixty eight was not the issue, right? We were still in nineteen sixty eight in that at that point, what had been the longest single period of economic expansion wages were had had risen. The rising tide was lifting a lot of boats, but what we're people angry about they were angry about bussing in the south. They had been angry about immigration, but in the north angry about busing, they were angry about culture wars. They were angry about hippies and as he called them women's libbers and pinkos and cultural grievance. And let's while there is a strong economic component to what Trump ended up running as. And what if we recall at the end of the two thousand sixteen election, right when he was at his lowest, nigger, it was post tape post disaster. He was. He had slid back down to the thirties, low forties it, he looked doomed and he became willing to essentially run as a conventional Republican Newt Gingrich in some guy's got a hold of him by the lapels and said, sign this. This is your economic platform, say this about these judges and he did, and he showed up support among traditional Republicans in the suburbs. But the core of Donald Trump's candidacy wasn't about economic grievance. It was about cultural grievance. It was about immigrants are changing our culture. You're not allowed to say merry Christmas anymore. All of those things hit. He his supporters see him as their champion against a dominant culture that they see a dominant culture in which their ways are being rejected and stepped on and taken down, and they're being supplanted by. This new liberal order, Hollywood and New York, and Donald Trump is there pugilist in the ring. So it doesn't always have to be economic. George Wallace is one of the populist you cover in this book. He was kind of the father of this shift from economic populism to fighting cultural change. So is it fair to say that it was about more than just campaigning against segregation and being a racist? There was also a broader sentiment that he was tapping into at the time what I found so fascinating about Wallace and I had never known this before. So Wallace was in Alabama, politics seen as a moderate on race when he ran for governor the first time in nineteen fifty. He he had been. He had as a judge. He had a reputation as being a decent and fair to African American attorneys to be with defendants criminal defendants, not heaping on extra harsh sentences for a black defendants as was the want. Of most of most judges in those as certainly politically aspirin judges in those days. And he was even on the board at the Tuskegee institute. So he was considered moderate by Alabama standards, but then he so he runs for governor and gets crushed, and he gets crushed by an out bigot segregationist scumbag the a total hatemonger beats him and he learns and you know what you see again. And again with these populist leaders win isn't about the movement win. Is it about them? Wallace figures out and there's a very dark quote from the that he recounted to a biographer. He ran the first time as a Huey long or William Jennings Bryan style, progressive populace, a share the wealth, take it from the rich people, give it to the poor people. We need better roads. We need to do all these things. So he was definitely running a populist campaign, but it wasn't racist. Wasn't expressly racist. He said, I tried to talk about schools at tried to talk about roads at tried to talk about all the things I want. But then when I said blank and he said that word of Asli, they pounded the floor for me, and he realized that the way to power was to be a demagogue into exploited hate into exploited division and exploit fear, and he turned, he turned the corner from that, and what's fascinating to me is so too did a lot of populism in America and it shifted this energy, the culture of resentment shifted from economic resentment, not everywhere. Bernie Sanders is still with us today. But this emergence of this right wing populism focused on cultural agreements. You were just talking about how George Wallace kind of stumbled onto this political hot button issue that he could campaign on an. I wonder because that seems to be common among many populist politicians. In America, they tend to be painted as kind of huckster 's they'll say, whatever you want to hear, and it doesn't matter if they'll deliver in the end. Does that hold true across most of these seven men that you talk about in this book? While a lot of them had were lucky that they didn't have to govern or do any? Right. A lot of out of seriously, you know, Andrew Jackson and got over the. He got over the fence. He made it, he won, they they, I won't say stolen election from, but they they pretty near did Henry clay the the the, the electoral college was undis- indecisive and it was thrown to the house. And Henry clay gave the election to John Quincy Adams and Jackson, not only came back. He, he had won the popular vote. He had one more electoral votes, but in a deadlock they gave it to Quincy Adams. So Jackson comes back and smashes Quincy Adams for years later. And then when clay runs for years after that. Atom smasher Jackson smashes him to. And the what's interesting in this Jackson then has to govern so his, for example, his hatred for the second Bank of the United States, how much of the economic, whoa. And we had don't think about this of the nineteenth century and all the way really up to the great depression, the boom in but terrible busts. You'd have unemployment add third of the workforce you'd have terrible depredations was caused by Andrew Jackson's destruction of the second Bank in the United States and who felt the pain, the most who was hurt the most, his supporters, poor people, and their descendants who were when you have a financial panic. When you have an economic catastrophe who suffers the people at the margins, you know, New York. I'm sure the people on Wall Street. Lot of bonuses were lost in the panic of two thousand eight. And I'm sure. A lot of bad, but people, you know, went boss and all of that, but where it really hurt where people class people living on the margins who were counting on property values to retire on, and we're counting on 401K's to retire on those are the people who really got burned. Jackson tried to be true to the things that t to the things that he promised in tried to be true to standing up against the elites. But as it turns out, sometimes the policies that they won't and tariffs may be turn out to be a good example of this with Trump the tariffs, the tariffs may end up hurting a lot of the people who Trump wants to help and repay for their support, but he feels obliged to do it because that's the pact team made with his movement. You were just saying that it's a good thing that many of these populace never actually had to govern, but the IRA anything you want. Yeah, but the the irony is that Andrew Jackson and the other one who actually made it to the White House teddy Roosevelt. I actually left quite pop. Didn't they? Well, you know, Roosevelt is very interesting. He he went quite mad. I in the in the minority of Americans who I am no fan of teddy Roosevelt. He is so fascinating. You have this guy. He gets thrust into the president, say, when a an an insane person kills president McKinley and then the youngest president ever at forty four Roosevelt is thrust into the presidency. He, of course, as a total egomaniac throws himself into the work like he had a mandate and absolutely seizes the reins of power and has a very successful remainder of the term is re is elected on his on his own right to a full term by even bigger majority than McKinley had beaten William Jennings Bryan. And he goes on, and this is where he starts to really embrace the progressive populism and. This is where he's doing all this stuff and he's going along gangbusters. And he's got big o. William Howard Taft, his secretary of war lined up to be his successor. And he says, okay, now you're going to do everything I did and hear the other things you're going to do after I'm gone and I'll leave and you can do that. So he goes to Africa, kills a thousand water buffaloes and finds that William Howard Taft in fact believes that he is his own person. And William Howard Taft was very conservative and he did not favour trust busting, and he did not favour a doing all of the really radical things that Roosevelt was talking about doing in those days and wouldn't and Roosevelt comes back. And if you talk about hubris, talk about misunderstanding a movement for yourself. Roosevelt comes back, makes his demands and then goes and lays out when Barack Obama did basically his second term pitch his second term economic pitch. He very intentionally went to the same town in Kansas where. Teddy Roosevelt laid out his square deal in for the nineteen twelve election, right? And and I also autumn me and goes out there and laze and Roosevelt lays out this thing that is a radical departure from even his own policies of before he takes all the way to the convention in Chicago, he fights bitterly. There's violence at the state conventions. There's a serious threat of violence mobs or forming police are roaming the the aisles of the convention in nineteen twelve because it's gotten so ugly, the hatred between the Roosevelt faction and the Taft action Taft. Finally prevails Roosevelt bolts goes down across across the town to orchestra hall and forms the bull moose party that night, and they split the Republican vote and let Woodrow Wilson the only democrat only two Democrats got elected president between ABRAHAM LINCOLN and Franklin Roosevelt. There were only two Democrats that was Woodrow Wilson and the other one was Grover. Cleveland. Nd and Wilson only got in and we probably only got into the first World War because of that fit of pique on the part of Roosevelt who just couldn't stand that somebody else disagreed with him. And of course of all these men Roosevelt was probably the least likely populous. He came from old money. New York family was a product of boss, Platt's political machine in New York. Where did his progressive populism come from Roosevelt was so sure that everybody else was stupid. His absolute conviction of his genius of and this is a product of a doting mother. He was, of course he hadn't been ill ISM as a young man asthma, and this doting father and mother and the below the if you read, I recommend very highly David McCullough's book morning on mornings on horsemen about the young Roosevelt, fascinating fascinating. You see where it all comes from. So here is this. You could say spoiled brat. But here is this person who arrives in in the world richer than creases and and starts slashing his way through New York state politics or New York City politics, and then state politics, and he is convinced that there is a correct way to do things. He and Ross Perot reminded me a lot of each other. They're in their minds. There's a scientific appropriate, correct way of doing things. There is their way, and then there is the wrong way and you're not just wrong, you're stupid. And he becomes so convinced of this. And we also have to remember at the time there was a strong belief and it was strong in Wilson to that, the system that we had was antiquated and outdated. It didn't work anymore because what a Republic, a liberal democracy and Republican government are not suitable for the modern technological scientific era. They don't match up to these things. And now we have science and people say that even now, well, with the data says, this says, well, here's what we do. No. Human beings are uniformly bad at predicting the future. And whenever anybody says I have the right answer and this is going back and getting to listen to Ross Perot talk about how Japan and Germany were going to conquer us economically in rule the world you're like snorting show hard. It's so funny to hear all these people in nineteen Ninety-two, oh yes, Japan is going. We will be the vassals of Japan. You like, oh my gosh. Perot was a surprising populist as well, because I, it's hard for me to imagine populace voters getting behind this sort of wonky IBM suit and tie guy with a bunch of charts and graphs, well, but the the magic, is there the same magic as there in that he told you you were getting screwed. He said, you know why things are the way that they are. It's because these idiots and crooks are keeping you from your just desserts and they're doing it to you. And basically, I think it was Dennis Miller in the in those days when he I think he was still alive. But he said that the best reason of vote for Perot was it'd be like turning on the overhead light in the kitchen and watching all the cockroaches scurry under the refrigerator that the idea of Perot as a smashing change that you would come in. And this was really one of the best arguments that people made that that conservatives made on behalf of Donald Trump, or they said, yeah, well, he may be. A rack and he may be this and he may be of that, but he will blow Washington to smithereens. He will shatter this consensus that is stifling us and who knows what will be on the other side of the can't be worse than this. And I think that's not too different from the energy that that was behind Perot. We're going to take a quick break and then I'll be back with more with Chris Dyer. Walt when we come back in just a minute. Are you looking for expert coverage and analysis of the NFL this season look, no further NFL podcasts. Has you covered interested in the latest news from around the league? 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It is that there is a empirically correct answer and we can arrive at that empirically, correct answer. We can have the charts. We can have the graphs to back it up and then it will just be right. But of course, a nation of three hundred twenty five million people and fifty states spread out over three thousand miles is not that way and you the the, the tantalizing belief for Americans is always that there's some correct setting where we can. Set the dials and then everything will just hung along in perpetuity. You know, when we think about what nine eleven did to us, the belief the the strong belief among Americans in two thousand or so was history's over the Cold. War's won. The future is just going to be about getting richer and, and this is the way it's going to be, and then you get yanked out of that moment. You get pulled out of that moment. Oh, no history is going on and the world is falling apart again, but in a new way and tribalism and and sectarianism and we're going to, we're going to render garments, but in a different direction, the Americans have especially Americans who are more affluent, have a strong desire to believe that there is a correct and optimal setting. What is correct and optimal in America is a system that allows that balance always between the elites and the populace always between freedom in order to keep pushing, pushing, pushing back and forth back and forth back and forth because it's in. Back and forth that we can correct. Then we overact and then we come back the other way and we keep turning it moving moving. It's like sailing ship into the wind, the breeze changes, the water changes, the conditions change. You have to keep moving the sale. We have a system that lets us do that. And oftentimes indeed, it seems that the constitution and populism are at odds. Sure. Because I promise you one thing, we would not need a Bill of rights if the things that were in the Bill of rights where popular? Yeah, there would be absolutely Nonni. We set. We say, we think free speech is good. We say that, but we had to write it down because as it turns out it's not really popular. Censorship is popular. Don't let him say that he shouldn't be allowed to say that. Please stop him from saying that it's popular with governments to don't don't do that. Don't assemble over there. Don't talk about that. It'll be China. I very often maybe not very often. I sometimes hear politicians yearn for the. System they have in China. I hear politicians. I hear people like Tom Friedman from the New York, the New York Times columnist and author talk about it and it's like, well, duh, of course, it's simpler if you can control what people say read in, do duh. We had, but that's why we have a constitution so that the the rights of these individuals will not be infringed upon by the government, that Bill of rights that charter, our constitution and and the Bill of rights taken together are to protect the heart and unpopular things. You don't need to write it down if it's going to be popular anyway. Yeah. And I think you say that government operates best when it operates slowly, which of course makes me think of the Senate and the house in the whole teacup. Saucer analogy. You know here in California. We're good example of how poorly that kind of direct government works because every election, you've got a dozen or more ballot initiatives and slow them can get pretty kooky and maybe a reflect. Of the prevailing attitudes of the moment, but may not be smart policy long-term. Well, as I write about in the book, you say to somebody, would you like lower taxes or more spending? And they say, yes, no, no, no, you have to choose. No, I'll take both of those things. You know this week, the federal government is back to a trillion dollar deficit because you said, well, do you want big defense spending? Uh-huh. Do you want tax cuts your? Do you want to not change? Entitlement programs, leave those alone. Okay. Well, now you're going to spend trillions of dollars more than you can afford and it's it is an unavoidable truth. But if you the per- the point of our system of government is not to give the people what they want, but to make it possible so that the needs of the people in the will of the people can be heard and having a fact over the longer term inside the system. That's why we have a house versus the Senate. That's why we. An executive branch that is elected through the electoral college. That's why we have a supreme court that is appointed for their lifetimes. Can I just say one other thing about that if you want to know one of the reasons that our system is not working right now and the deficiencies and the frustrations we have our legislative branch. Our congress has weakened itself perniciously for the past fifty years. We don't have a congress to speak of not in the not in the sense that we once they refused the power to make war, they refused the power to regulate. They have handed that off to administrative agencies in the executive branch. They just wanna hold televised hearings raise money and run for reelection and they don't want and they don't wanna talk about things that are hard. They don't want to deal with him. They don't want to deal with me too stuff. They don't wanna do note, don't leave it for the courts lead for the executive branch. We don't to do it as a consequence. The demands of the people don't have any place to go. And we are ending up with more demagogic and more. Authoritarian, I guess that's what I'd have. Maybe that's not the right word, but you've seen the trend Bush Obama and Trump more executive power wheeled to somebody's got to act as George W Bush said when people are hurting a government's gotta move. And by that he meant he's gonna move. And Obama. I have a pen. I have a phone and Trump basically, you know, changed the rules of the Senate so that I can pass whatever I want whenever I want it. And if you won't do that, I'll do it by legislative yacht because we're just gonna do it in smash through all these things that is when we think about what kills a Republic. And when we think about what kills the freedom of the people, nothing is worse than when the Huey long said. Wouldn't it be? I'm a butcher this quote, but wouldn't it be something like a dictatorship? If the will of the people were perfectly represented at all times, he was accused of being a dictator, and he said, oh, yeah, wouldn't it be like a dictatorship? If the will of the people was met all of the time. Of course I'd be like a dictator because I'm going to give the people what they want. Everytime I'm going to say, what are you an Ross? Perot had the idea of televised town halls where people could push button to vote on what to do direct democracy and say, okay, I'm not a dictator because the people of all fifty. One percent of the people have agreed that we are going to confiscate the property of twenty percent of the people or fifty. One percent of the people have agreed that we are going to reinstitute, Jim crow laws or fifty. One percent of the people have agreed on whatever the tyranny of the majority is the enemy of freedom. Populism is good when it is breaking up the ice pack that surrounds. Washington and New York and LA now too, but and Silicon Valley. But these centers of power where the Pete, where people in wealth accumulating these large numbers, it is good that there is a threat against them, and it is good that there is a check on their power when it crosses over into the tyranny of the majority and pure majoritarianism, then it's it's just tyranny by another name Huey long. You know, he was one of the rare politicians who actually got pretty far by embracing the label of socialist authoritarian and a radical. If it hadn't been for the great depression. Do you think that he would have had such a political ascent? Well, Louisiana was he would. He would have at least gotten to the Senate. He could have gotten to the Senate from Louisiana because the Louisiana was so poor and so and so crooked back in those days that they the depre- depression or no depression, the good people of Winfield and win parish, Louisiana. They were going to be poor no matter what, but I do think you're quite right nineteen. Thirty five was very. Very low water Mark for this country and about fascism was not fascism was not a dirty word. We know that the American Nazi party, for example, on the even on the day, that Pearl Harbor was bombed claimed a couple hundred thousand members. Huey long claimed seven million members and share our wealth societies across the country. Father Coggin preached anti semitic vicious, nasty stuff on the radio and had millions of listeners and millions of followers because when times are hard and people are frightened, they are willing to they're willing to listen to a thorough Teheran's in ways that they are not under normal circumstances because they say, I want protection and I want even if he's a bad guy, I want him to be a bad guy for me. Yeah, and it's interesting because you know, at a time when we were talking about wanting to drain the swamp here, you have a guy was a product of the swamp both metaphorically and literally growing up in Louisiana. And this guy was so crooked that he actually. Embraced the nickname king fish and he, he had literally been a snake oil salesman before going into politics yet the voters of them, you know, in a good portion of national Democrats were totally at peace with just following a con man. How did his supporters rationalize is slimy nece we'll think about this one of his main products that he sold when he was when he was a young man, he was starting out, sold door to door was called wine of Cardi, and whine of Cardi really was or Carter we was supposed to be a was to heal to to cure the arrangements of women at at at certain time of the month and to address the questions of fallen womb and and all of this stuff. And they sold it that way. Now what it really was was forty proof wine. It was which, and it had some thistles and bark, and you know, whatever in it, but it was. It was. It was huge in a in a. Dry county in in in the days of prohibition. But this was a legal way that you could sell booze, how many of the women who bought Huey long 's wine of car, Dewey from the Chattanooga patent medicine company, how many of them who bought it knew exactly what this was that they knew that this was a socially acceptable legal way for them to buy fortified wine and keep it at home, and their husband weren't going to say anything about it, a less there, derangement not be cured anymore. So for the when you're dealing with a conman when you're dealing with a huckster, you know how many, how many of Donald Trump's supporters? No, that's the stuff. Some of the stuff he says just didn't true. How many of them? No, it's not true, and they laugh and don't care, and it doesn't bother them because he's going somebody else's ox when Donald Trump says, whether this is this is this is the first time in one hundred years that GDP has been higher than unemployment. Well, that's not true. True, but they probably don't care because he's their guy. He's doing it for them and they just laugh and say, all Trump when Trump tweets, when Trump does the stuff that that swing voters are persuadable voters get very uncomfortable with when his personal actions, behavior and attitude, and sometimes distant relationship with the truth upsets those voters the people who feel that he's on their side and doing it for him. They say he had well, whatever shut up. And I think that for a lot, I'm sure there were people who are absolutely conned by Huey long. I'm sure there were people who absolutely thought that he was just a sweet angel of a man who is out there fighting hard to try to help the the little folks. But I also suspect that there were many of them if not most of them who instead said, all politicians are dirtbags. I got a dirt bag here who at least at least punches the right direction. You rarely hear a populist politician, utter the words. You can't have what you want, or it's not within my. Our his fair to say, the populist generally aren't very good at tough love. They are not because if we believe that the people are to rule, so what a Republic, our system of government says, not that the people rule, but that all rightful power descends from the public, right? This is a tr- that we are in a trusteeship with our government that we have empowered the government and it is our it acts. As our proxy the the power is derived from the will of the people, but the decisions do not derived from the will of the people. But if you say whatever the people want, the people should rule, you can't then say except for on that except for their when I think about, you know, in the conclusion of the book, I talk about the election of eighteen sixty four and ABRAHAM LINCOLN, and you know the miracle of ABRAHAM LINCOLN and at a time where if we're ever going to have a true out and out demagogue and an authoritarian, ABRAHAM LINCOLN was set for it perfectly. He had everything he needed, but they call that election in eighteen sixty four and remarkably amazingly Lincoln did not ever. Flinch from the work he did not say. And if you act now will end the war next week and no one else will have to die and slavery will be abolished anyway, unless you don't want it to be and then it's fine and see you later. He said, we have this hard work to do. We have this bad hard work that we have to do, and we mean to finish it. And you know, if you read his second inaugural and you think about the what, that what he was saying, what he was talking about the the brew, the brutal work of that war almost concluded and a promise to keep doing it if necessary. And then even more astonishingly to say, but we are going to forgive the rebels. We're gonna forgive our countrymen who in treason in revolt. We're gonna, forgive them. We're going to bind up our wounds and we're going to be one country. Again, none of that should have been popular, but great leaders don't just ride populace waves. They enlarge the human spirit. They enlarge the human mind. They live up to the standards of men like Lincoln of of. Like George, Washington and other leaders who didn't just say, I'll give you whatever you want. If you just put me in charge, what they say is there's a right place to go, and I want you to come there with me. Well, this may be somewhat strange segue, but I might find out that of these seven populist politicians better than half of them were victims of assassinations or attempted assassinations. What does that tell us about populism in America. Well, when you stir up these passions right? When you bring these things out, if you are, you know, Caesar, Caesar, and Brutus, right? It's an old story when when you stir these things up when you if you're a real demagogue right, and and long was a was a by God, the the realist of them all. If you're a real demagogue and you are making dishonest exploitations of emotion, if you are dividing people for your own benefit, if you are doing those things, if that's what you're doing, the the maelstrom. Does not leave you alone. You are. You are on that. You're on those seas. And I, I don't know that let's say so who so assassinated were they tried to kill TR, right? They they, they perilla an assassin paralyzed Wallace. They killed Huey long and Jackson, anybody else, oh attack. They tried to kill Jackson too well, but I gotta say until the very modern era where the secret service basically the post nineteen sixty three era while actually after squeaky from in nineteen seventy five, the the secret service deals with the situations very and they they understand now about shutting down access and protective bubbles and making sure that everybody's wanted the amount of security in the way that they protect the president now is very different than the way it used to be, but doing the math and we could. We could figure it out pretty quickly. I'm I'm trying to. I don't think anybody. To kill Jimmy Carter. But other than that every you know, they'll everybody got a try. So if you get, if you got elected president everybody prior to George, W Bush, they got, they got they got shot at or somebody tried to stab him run over with a car or marriage or something. Yeah. And in the case of Jackson, you might have wanted to protective bubble to protect the assassin and he was old to when the guy came after him and he had he his pistol misfired his pistol jammed man. If you come to kill Andy Jackson, I don't care if he's seventy years old or not. You better get the job done because he, I mean a picture that the president of the United States, his cane out his walking, stick out bludgeoning in the head. His would be assassin now that that is street cred. And real quickly. Before we go, you say that the populace leaders of today shouldn't be asking who will protect the white men in America, but who will be the Andrew Jackson of Hispanic America? And I don't know that that's a question for Republicans so much as it is rife us as observers of the news analysts. You know, the next wave of populist energy is probably going to look a lot more like Alexandria occasion, Okaz Cortez than Donald Trump and Andreja the miracle. The the, the thing about Andrew Jackson is he was the product of an immigrant wave. His parents were immigrants penniless immigrants. His father was probably probably died a squatter. We don't know for sure, but he probably died squatting on land that wasn't his. An Andrew Jackson became the first governor of Florida. The first Senator from Tennessee won the battle of New Orleans, became president of the United States built a massive fortune. Did all of those things for Hispanic Americans. Now which represent the most recent huge wave of immigration, basically mid eighties to twenty. Ten millions of Americans among them and among their children and grandchildren who will rise, who will rise and be the leader of a populist revolt on their behalf because it's out there and and we would be wise to be watching. Yeah. Again, Chris's book is called every man king a short colorful history of American populist. I really enjoyed it. Chris Die Welt. Thanks for joining me. 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Hour 4: 7/31/19

The Paul Finebaum Show

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Hour 4: 7/31/19

"The Paul Finebaum show podcast has been brought to you by the capital one sabre card earned four percent cash back on dining and entertainment two percent of grocery stores and one percent on all all other purchases now when you go out you cash in what's in your wallet terms apply the cried passion and patron tree of of college football leaves here the the Paul Finebaum show our four podcast. We welcome you back final. Final hour has arrived. We're glad you're here and we will continue with more calls at eight five five two four to seven to eight five. Mike Leach was with his earlier and just a sensational conversation conversation. I hope you're able to hear it. Let's go to <hes> I'm. I'm next good afternoon. Good Evening Paul. Thanks for taking my call thank you you know I'm sorry I miss the Mike Leach interview much leaking. I think I think he would lead up and he would fit in well with this. Is He. A little off the cuff who hadn't does does. He did things his way. You hired him to do things his way just like you hired. Gus Malzahn called plates right the hell out of the way now. Let's move on I. I just happened to hear a little bit of gyms. Little Petulant call is Jim demanding respect for the lack of respect. He shows every other human being on this planet. I mean you and I know Jim. We've talked to him a lot on the air off the air and and and Jim is a very unique little child and he has absolutely no respect for anybody else he demands respect from you know all the things he complains about in the fingers. The people points favors that he is exactly who he points at and talks about and he's nothing less than that and he will never be more than that because he's he's. He's not accomplishable compostable at anything he's and then you know when people fall I will tell you and you said Jim is a great caller. That doesn't make it intelligent it. It does make it smart it. You know when you tell people you've been raped by the aliens and the Little Red when really got you people stop and take a tackle make it a point to listen because they've never heard such trash and when you're coming on the radio and talking about how pre scraped you and and and all these other things and you got hurt when you were thirteen and the proce castle looking for you and you slam dunk on Joe Namath and you walked in Eighteenth Fairway with Jack Nicklaus and you hung out with some dead boxer and and all these things people stop and take notice now those are great calls but it doesn't make him intelligent fair reasonable honest respect for any of those things it's just just unique calling. Would you agree with those statements would yes. I know you would I know you. Would you hear that German Paul said here she agreed Jim. You have a good day little man. Thanks I'm well. That was was interesting. There's a certain ying and the Yang to that conversation Jim Jim go right ahead. I wanted air with him but I'm just GonNa try to accommodate you that <hes> there you go again leading that food that line. He's he's the one that's even redneck ball. He's the one that creek that was distorted by Dan who wanted to start just like they do. Trump me and make me look like I said something. That's on the line which I haven't habit but here's the thing about this food. Idiots is low lifetime and I I didn't call today to track any callers you know and I know I called about Ah unprofessionalism unbelievable things that were done by one of the employee's E._S._p._N.. And he takes that into another realm word hold hold on a second he he is back if you'd like to speak to him I'm entering their nick. gearhead your lips and now you've got a book out what you're GonNa do about it. Absolutely nothing Jim yeah sure turn and you can see the line uh-huh what you are. You have nothing navigating Tom and done and men all over. This country met all kinds of people you've met. Nobody been nowhere and you've got the audacity to talk about me or you you. Oh Oh you're no fool and guess what tomorrow you'll be an older food and the day after you'll be older than that and you'll be unless of course you're except seventy four years. You've live longer longer. Most people ever have on this plan and if you're lucky you'll make seventy five but you will always stay alive gain in one the time and let let's allowed a debate moderator. Let's allow Jim to respond. I thought refunding his stake in line nine hater. He's jealous of me. He's always been jealous me so I get to start the whole conversation between you while ago all about me saying what I said what about you know a lot about hold on and let me jump in here just for a second I am. Jim Is telling the truth here. He didn't call about you. He called to talk about his issues with other phones. Creators had nothing thing to do with you at all and I'm calling and talking to me and I am I put my question my question to you is so my question to you. I man is this. Ah Allow me a couple of questions Jim bear with me. How long have you been calling the show I am? I've been a long time. Have you ever called you. You didn't mention Jim's name or Nick Saban. Absolutely Jim was nobody for years until the aliens raped him in any walk down the fairway and he hit better than than Ted Williams when he started all those pets little is like a little child. That's when I started talking about him because you know I know and everybody else knows when he did none of that Paul. I'm an let's listen to Jim plays you know from person that people that have talked to me about my degree. You know what he's saying. Is the absolute bold faced lie. I'm better. I don't want to Brag but I think that he's ever known I'm but here's the point I didn't lie about any of the things I've said. What about what I've done and I also know this? You know this guy makes up crap about me he Li- he he's obsessed with me. He's been make Eh. What did I make up thousands of things you said? Why did they give me one thing because you can't stand me because you hate one thing real simple you know one never call except the top about me a negative way? Never that is a scumbag when when I because you said Paul made you say things I said Hey you turned renegade. He's a liar. I mean really I've never seen one thing OUGHTA be real easy. One just one in a one is the loneliest number just like you and your barrel lower your over Fulham. Hello you WANNA be professional dog and you're harmless that you just Hollywood everything Oh. He Walked Away Jim because I'm exposed anything. You know thank you for at least getting into the cruise and you know I've been putting up. I follow I know you you know. I didn't do it more than I deserve from that scumbag line you Life never tells the only calls to use my name to promote yourself that always ever done riding on my coattails to try to criticize me because he knows I'm not popular with some of his redneck friend and that he does and he likes. He knows you like it. Sometimes cause it stirs up the cockroaches as as defend our says. I'm not gonNA name by the way what I just said. I I asked him a question for that. That mutual friend of ours <hes> brought that to my attention not long go and he said has he ever called in where he didn't go after gym or Sabin and I'm talking about last last ten years and I'm not sure he has he hasn't fall all and if he has anything nice about anybody that he doesn't like Emerson Nights about me. Never I complimented him before you've heard me in the I've got a couple of times I've company when we had a call did called. He's top hall I. I've said enough about him but people good good we will tell me all the time on the twitter. Why do you even worry about a a nobody like him but I just don't like to be lot Paul? That's what I I'm like club. If you lie about me I want to correct you that why jeff from from Columbus live while ago you know he. He didn't take me down that day. I left because I had some. There was something going over the phone. I couldn't get in. They always turn the volume down on me. Your background crowds that watt hung up on him then the next time I'll row over you know that yeah well he cleaned. I held him down to the turnbuckle. You Know Paul when I get going you don't need or nobody needs to hold me down now. Hold anybody now now for me because I'll knock them down like I always do. I get mad enough allies. They tell and that's a fact you know that you know that Paul and I've never seen anybody better when you are when you used to get mad at decided you put him in his place and you recommend the sleds and you and I both we both probably shouldn't do that but we're both good at it. When we get going totally agree well I appreciate you at least stepping in today and and finally I mean you? You allowed that to happen so I appreciate what you today stepping in and letting the truth be known because a lot I man it's just a low down. He's a low down human being he's uncivilised and I think he's unfit. He's really unfit ball. Well thank you Jim. We'll talk soon. Thank you up against the break more to come you like to join the show plenty of lines lines available after that you listening to Paul Finebaum show podcast. Oh yeah great songs from the early seventies seventies from Neil Young wrote it about an old <hes> foreman of Farm Duane is an Alabama Halloween coach Paul. We are doing great. 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Radio in <hes> during well at the start of the twenty ten season than and man that that wasn't a magical season for those who don't know much about the history show <hes> this was this was the regia local Oh show regional show and then in March of twenty ten right before you picked up we siriusxm put us on national radio and that was that was a major turning important a lot of people think the show took off when we went on television which did that was that was a big deal that that moved to satellite one of the seminal moments in shows history. Absolutely I mean it really what I mean. I I had never heard Gainey show as good as it at the time and now just just being all the fan that that I've been since the <hes> since the Patch Sullivan Beasley <hes> Brad Bradshaw to Pat Pat Sullivan his his his <hes> wide receiver was Terry Beasley Terry Beasley yes yes I could him and read and Bradshaw mixed mixed up but <hes> yes yeah I mean so and so in in other words I've been a fan for since seventy two so <hes> but yeah I just WanNa say <hes> Paul you gotta you got a great show and I really appreciate it and yeah yeah that was early days of the <hes> x._X._X.. Radio I don't draw truck now now. I drive a school bus now. I don't have any on the bus on fortunately but I do miss those days. I do this or <hes> our dear friend Tammy. Thank you very much for saying that that means a lot to everyone including I know I knew her daughter. <hes> listens because I hear from from time at the time thanks a lot really it really good to hear from you. Josh is up next. Hey Josh Hey <hes> longtime listener first-time caller. Thank you very much like this is awesome. <hes> I just wanted to get your opinion real quick on over this year looking at <hes> a lot of it depends on whether it's gator next with Gatewood is as good as I hear <hes> he might be able to get them through the first game. That's really what they they need to survive the first game and I think if they get a win they're going to have a really big big big at least a good start and then the schedule. It's it's. It's it's very troublesome with. It's a road games at A._M.. Florida and L._S._U.. In the early half of the season and then they close obviously with Alabama and Auburn if they're on a roll and have won some of those games aims I think they could possibly spring upset against Alabama or Georgia. <hes> we know they're defensive. Line will possibly be the best in the country they they've got all Americans across that board but it's just a matter of whether they can get the offense rolling and that that's why I am still still struggling. Our next caller is going to be Greg in Florida. Hey Greg go right ahead all how you doing. We're doing great. Thank you okay <hes> <noise>. You played the Song Sweet Home Alabama earlier yeah <hes> you know. I've always wondered why Alabama fans have such that song <hes> you haven't experienced around the result the Kim. Can you tell me why well it's it's not only them <hes> for a long time and this is song that came out in the mid seventies I believe and it just became three yeah. It became an anthem. You went to a hockey game the basketball game any kind of game in Alabama Birmingham. Wherever it just became that song you you heard and I think it's just because and by the way there's been some great music written on the semi stars fell in Alabama's is one of the iconic songs of the Miracles Alabama though one? I know I'm just trying to explain that. If you're if you're from Alabama and you hear that song you just feel like it's about you okay. Let's let's dive a little deeper okay. I feeling we would all right so let's <hes> let's go back a little bit here so <hes> the civil rights movement her well it occurred a lot of places but but I can tell you as someone who over the years well the Civil Rights Movement <hes> <hes> late fifties to <hes> the mid sixties okay primarily the sixties okay yeah that was part L._B._J.. And that was his unit and you know we can all agree that the south was a little <hes> I I guess resistant to that that that that the south was it was an embarrassment <hes> when when you wake most notably <hes> you have what happened at Mississippi Kennedy sent military there but then you have <hes> the other event <hes> well in Alabama well yeah I mean you had what happened. University Alabama governor of the State George Wallace <hes> Ray Ray ray standing in the Wallis he was standing in the schoolhouse door to block <hes> now now again <hes> I will tell you what year to that happened George Wallace. I believe that was sickly happening seventy three now sixty three seventy-three Bombay stuff right so sixty three all right I believe I believe it was a sixty three. Okay anyways so George Wallace. The Governor Alabama right sure was four terms. He's said he stood door of the University Alabama today forever right well. Let's let's <hes>. He said that it was it was in sixty three the segregation today <hes> and I I I know a little bit more about this. Maybe some because I happen to get to know the Wallace family much later on <hes> and and ED conversations with his son about these issues the segregation today segregation tomorrow I believe was in his inauguration speech as governor <hes> the stand in the schoolhouse. The door was in was in sixty three. It was a foster auditorium now. I'm not defending while I it was a show he had already agreed. If I remember correctly with <hes> Nicholas Katzenbach who is the assistant attorney general under Robert Kennedy that he would do that and then step aside but regardless carless of what they do that just give me a quick sent well in a doorway because <hes> he was <hes> a segregationist right. He's a segregationist and that means that he didn't want to allow blacks on the university all day all right so that ended up nearly sixty Neil young right the song called southern right so are you. He releases a song called Southern Man Nineteen seventy now that I'm for sure it came out in nineteen seventy right well this other about was that saw the man was about critiquing the south else thirteen mississippi it was it was <hes> primarily about Alabama I mean he had a couple of lines in their fate. Uh talking about was was neil young talking about talking about how nice no he was talking about how terrible it was. He who use the word bull whips cracking. I mean it was pretty I mean there's no question <hes> what he was talking about any following it up two years later with a song entitled <unk> Alabama which was the same thing we we we. We got two things here. <hes> George Wallace was the governor of Alabama he stood in front of the Doors University Alabama and <hes> <hes> <hes> and protesting segregation young leader. I dislike about southern man primarily <hes> referring to yeah but your question Sweet Home Alabama right so now let's let's fast forward to nineteen seventy-three where it's gonNA write. This song called Sweet Home Alabama right sweet home. Alabama Obama was the song <hes> sympathizing with George Wallace and his oxygen. Yes there were some very big critical lines in that song. You know I mean the key line was <hes> about Obama basically throw oh George Wallace actions pro- <hes> continuing segregation well no no no listen hold on hold on Alabama a standard. Hey slowdowns that we're not no no no no no no no that was not what the song was about the song online from the song. Go ahead that points to the fact that it was if you rolled out if you scroll down to the Leeann Sweet Home Alabama you'll come across the line that says where the governor is true. What do you think that means call? No true it means that governor is true. Yeah I first of all you don't you're misrepresenting not only the theme but the song the light of the song allowed always enjoyed talking to somebody when they won't allow the other person to speak. Would you listen to me for just a half a second and then you can take the show back over again. The line is in Birmingham. They love the Governor Boo Hoo Hoo they they did first of all do you. Where are you from actually from Florida? Okay what you don't what you don't understand them Birmingham thirty years George Wallace was not popular in Birmingham. He was extremely unpopular. I don't think he ever carried a Jefferson County. Which is one reason why the interstate system there are still a disaster and he was a takeoff on that that he was not popular Boohoo All over this was about someone coming in taking a shot at the south which they continue to do through today was the shot into south warranted or was. It just doesn't matter he does matter. I know it doesn't matter he was and it was another line. The song that now yeah hold on there was another line on that said Damn listen I appreciate. I always enjoyed talking to somebody when they tried to talk over me. We'll finish this conversation sation. After the break you're listening to the Paul Finebaum show podcast. Let's consider the secret life of the innermost nesting doll living most of her life in the dark inside the other nesting dolls. He has plenty of time to think if we could sadly she has no brain however when most nesting doll here's the Geiko not only saves people money but also has been providing great service for over seventy five years the thinks it's obvious you should switch because yes switching to gyco is a no brainer pity in a most nesting doll and her lot in life. Derek is tough next in Alabama. Hey Derek Hey. We're doing great. Thank you I. I missed most of that conversation but was that was the guy that just called <hes> well. He's saying that we Alabama was <hes> Pro George Wallace Yeah. That's what that's what he was claiming. I tried to correct but he would not let me talk yeah I I if I even stayed in <hes> I think when they originated as long as we go right as we own Florida just didn't sound right no oh I mean remember. These guys are from Jacksonville Florida Alabama they. I really don't remember the the Orig- I understand what they were responding to but but good point thank you very much for the call. Paul is up next Paul. Go right ahead anybody what's going on man. We're doing great. Thank thank you yes sir well. I'm a history major from the University of Montebello Volley did did by my twenty five page paper on populism L._S.. Em and and had to do with your you know we took a big look at the George Wallace right and and George Wallace all of the stuff D- happened when he was in Tuscaloosa standing in the doorway was staged absolutely you know by you know and the government was there and you know they could have arrested rested. You know right off the bat well. I think if I remember I'll defer to you because I don't want to sound like the other guy arguing with somebody who knows more than I do but it was a prearranged. The arranged deal was it not yes or was it you know they did that. All prearranged you know just for the cameras and <hes> you know in the song <hes> you know it's the Leonard Skinner Song is all in reference to the Neil Young Song right right you know had nothing to do with or or you are completely correct we you were trying to you know prove your point but this dude you know and and he just wouldn't listen to you you know but that's that those are the facts you know but I do know and I studied the photographs and I went down there to sell them and I went down to Tuscaloosa Lucerne and I did my research and like I said I wrote a twenty five page paper for Seniors <hes> thesis at the university thing now. Thank you very very much you know and and this all truthful exactly that whole thing at the University of Alabama staged one more thing in a lot of this I learned from from many conversations conversations with the governor Wallace's son <hes> but in George Wallace's last election when he won his fourth term. I believe it was nineteen. eighty-two he overwhelmingly carried the African American vote now Obama overwhelmingly <hes> he made them end. I'm not <hes> he <hes> He. He apologized profusely. I'm not making excuses for what he did. I think it's the behavior of government government leaders in that state across the board during during that time <hes> was stickle criminal but <hes> we were here. We're debating lyrics sweet home Alabama here <hes> let's check in with <hes> Bob who is up next. Hey Bob. Hey Hey Paul. Enjoy your this show. Thank you very much. <hes> I don't know on all these people trying to make the child to grow up has a pool man in Alabama Alabama and a mixed neighborhood and you get concept of everything but <hes> this is to <hes> nineteen. I wish we could put it behind us. Yeah especially all against well thank you. I thought we had <hes> until until today Greg. Go Right Ahead Paul thank you I I remember <hes> an eighty two that <hes> governor wallace apologize and ask for forgiveness he did and it was granted to him by the population that voted for him so <hes> that brings me to my my point for call back again Dan in that is I heard the call between Richard and I'm in and you know I know I know I man and if I I need help out of the out of a well because I was stuck I could depend on him. I can't say the same thing for Richard. This is not about why why they call or or the premise behind that but when Richard calls in there's a malevolence in his voice and you can hear it and I think it's important to realize because he can be entertaining and <music> <hes> and sometimes compelling doesn't mean that you're learning something educational other than this person's got some problems and so I think it's important to realize that he will not refute a single thing set against him because it removes the veil much like during the wizard of Oz when the curtain was removed and we saw what was going on behind the curtain so I think that's just you know a lot of people don't know Richard is and you know because he uses a different name and he won't be seen anywhere because it destroys Roy's the narrative that he apparently has spent a long time <hes> crafting sense <hes> you were in Birmingham and so <hes> I just thought it was interesting when they were going back and forth that <hes> he said a lot of things but he didn't say anything to refute anything the thing that I had said and <hes> so I I hope <hes> that people will take that under into account when they listen and opine because I mean we all come from different backgrounds and one of the ways that Alabama moved on isn't because the government forced force people to behave change your minds because people searched within themselves and change their minds and change comes when we can interact with our neighbor in a positive way even when we disagree about certain things <hes> that when you can have that conversation without <hes> the vitriol or the malevolence then you can at least attempt to get things done that benefit all of us we are officially out of time for this program. We appreciate all of you for being a part of it. <hes> some really interesting guests today. We'll see you

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#152 The Real Enemy, Part 1

"From Gimblett. I'm David and I'm Alex Goldman. Yeah we are here today with producer Manual Joji High Manual. Hey thanks you have a story for us. I do indeed so I'm a this story I'm working on. I WANNA start off by saying I'm a really big political junkie so I actually used to be stoned to politics fat. I thought I wanted to do it. Like four living. Oh Yeah I I would look assigns major in college and back then. Even I wasn't like the United States yet. I would like sign up to volunteer to help ago. Welcome polls I was super into it when I'm supposed to be doing work. I'm I'm just reading about political stories. Honest I've looked over your shoulder now I I could see in your face. I know what Jio about to say because I've seen it whatever that's better procrastination than me row. And we just play video games. Yeah Yeah and basically thing. I've been thinking a lot about going into two thousand twenty which is just like how the hell like the Democratic Party is going to be able to coalesce and come together like in a way that people are saying they need to defeat Donald trump like rather than just like constantly fighting with each other and as someone who finds like narratives about that finding so boring what I found so fascinating about this story. It's more than just the fight and the fact that you know people fighting in politics. It's there are always movies issues of race and like what it means to have political power and representation but I'll just bubbling beneath the surface. It's a story that takes place in Alabama and the Democrats were having a fight is way uglier and crazier than anything that you're seeing on the national stage and the first thing I just want to show you is this video vice found online a few months ago. And you're saying you found this on the Internet. I did find it on the Internet search job. Apparently I have slightly but this is really good. I promise okay so. This is a video of the Alabama Democratic Party specifically weekly like a special committee that runs party. These folks are the bosses and they all sit on a sort of special committee bat called the S. D. E. C. S. T. E. C.. Yes not to be confused with the SEC. Of Confidence Oviously the governing body. I would only make one of those conclusions but anyway you just see Bunch of people's board in an institutional building podium share silicon comfortable and like the reason all these people the meaning is because there are open seats on the committee. So this is like this is a meeting of the people who rantings deciding whether they want to bring on more people to help run things. Yeah and this guy that you you see like up at the podium. He is nominating somebody to fill those vacancies on this committee. Okay the twitter name Sheila Gilbert and if she wins she'll be representing her voting district on the committee me and she lives really qualified to take the spot. She's worked for politicians state for years to runs like the county democratic organization where she lives. And there's is one thing you need to know about Sheila which is that white okay. and WHO's running against. Nobody like best that you kind of amazing thing about this is that she's like a done deal like off. I had no opposition opposition. Yeah Okay So. They're putting up to the vote. She younger place. It is a small smattering of people. Yeah and they mostly white it all and what I hear like look like giant block. People stand up not the person running. The meeting. Just said you have not been elected like Sheila. Gilbert didn't get position even though she was running completely unopposed. So what does that mean. What that means is that just stays? Empty Victorino representative from that voting district on the committee. So it's like there's no oh party leader in that area to Defense Republicans. Yeah basically and even crazy is that that happens twenty of times that day again and again Dan but black people to vote down white candidates which you know obviously does not make sense. It's like a logical strategy for winning state but when I started making calls to people told me it was like Oh this everything using the video from the influence of one person who controls the party and about one man is guy named Joe Reid. He's anyone years old he's black and he's kind of a legend. I called him. I was like Hey I'm a black journalists and fascinated by all of this and I go down the tube to me Dr by all accounts and reports. I'm talking to the most powerful man in the Alabama Democratic Party. Not Right now well some folks that do that. I don't say that I'm just I'm just public servant trying to help the Democratic Party eighty and I volunteer now. I don't get paid for it but I I'm a man who's very much people saying I'm not looking for anything about trying to grabbing. And say I just simply WANNA series Josie exactly lying to me. But he should've been criminally humble about this whole thing right like for the last thirty years is Joe's had complete control of the Alabama Democratic Party and in that room Rumi watched meaning like nothing can happen on that committee. Unless Joe wants wants to Angie Asta read about this video and I was like what is going on. It looks like you'll blocking like a whole slate of candidates and Muslims and to be white and what he told me was. Oh won't of course I did tell you exactly why we did it. If somebody came to your house tap your heart were you. Let them in. My house is that they're going to tow it up. I would know what happened. These folks met and they were coming together organizing and stuff and that's why we didn't vote fallen they come to destroy me. I'm not going to sit there and be granted. Let me Basically does that. The reason he kept those seats vacant is because but people trying to fill the seats like we're trying to destroy him and destroy Democratic Party in general. What video and learning about Joe read the thing I noticed was like almost all of these? People who evenings are trying to destroy the Democratic Party. They're white exactly. I'm but like the thing that complicated like the picture of jewelry for me is that is not as simple as him. Haning white people like the one person he seems to trust above everybody is a white woman. I'm white woman named Nancy. Ashley was a very divisive person. Who is the chair of the Alabama Democratic Party? And if like Joe Reid is the unofficial head of the Alabama Democratic Party nasty worthy is the official Head Bay together form kind of like a bit of a Political Dynamo in Alabama. Got It ugly fight. That's consuming the Democratic Party in Alabama Obama. Right now or you need to know. Is that it centers around these two. Okay you want to take the story from here. Yeah so I want to stop this story by just telling you about women who wandered into his enormous fight completely by accident I name is data is now. She runs a nonprofit and he's an ordained minister for the purposes of this story. Or you need to know that Tamiflu is extremely passionate about political organising excellent. Here's my address and know that they can just show up when they're bored. That's like two hundred dollars with the stance seemed like upbeat for a Democrat Alabama. That's because she's living in the aftermath of an actual honest to go political miracle. Like if you've heard anything about Alabama politics at all this is the thing you've heard of Republican Roy Moore Democrat. Doug Jones are vying to take over the Senate seat vacated by Attorney General Jeff Sessions. Doug Jones an attorney famous in Alabama Obama for prosecuting Vaca- KKK. was up against Republican. Roy Moore very far right judge. It seemed like Roy Moore was going to take the seat until this thing happened just four weeks before the election and just in from the Washington Post they are reporting potentially seismic allegation woman is alleging Roy Moore initiated a sexual encounter with her when she was just fourteen years old polling shows. The two candidates are neck and neck ahead of Tuesday's special election the election. Was that watch party in Montgomery. She didn't expect Doug Jones to win but she was working through networking. I'm with a clipboard. Going around trying to make sure I get every last person's this contact info and then and then all of a sudden the place erupts into cheering and I'm clueless looking around like what happens winds and then see TV and realized we have won this thing. Doug Jones the Democrat. He will be the next United States. Senator from Alabama. I gotTa tell you I I think that I have been waiting all my life and now I just don't know what the hell looking around on that. Be other people in the room as she says about for all of them that moment felt like a revelation Democrats could win in Alabama. It was like it occurred into Allah hundred and fifty people in the same thirty seconds. You could just watch. People is all of a sudden realize. Oh my gosh. What if we want other things across the State Democrat having that same realization people who always on the sidelines of Alabama politics? Were now chomping at the bit to get involved. If there's GonNa be a revolution they wanted in so by the time. The midterm elections arrived the following year. A whole bevy of Democrats were ready to run against Republicans but that year most Democrat all hit their heads against the same brick wall that owns state party. One of these Democrats was Tabitha when when she decided to run she knew that one of the first things you had to do was go and see Nancy Wurley because as state party chair. Nancy job is to have a whole. Bird's eye view of parties election election strategy is her job to know who's running where and how the party is going to support them so tariff makes an appointment with Nancy and heads to office whereas the headquarters It is downtown Montgomery It's a pretty small one storey building. There are very few people there. There are no volunteers ears that is so silent in that place. It is crickets. Says she waited for forty five minutes before Nancy paid and when she did time AFO also the the big question. I need to know if there's a candidate that you have in mind are you preparing someone seats And you know. Be Happy to support somebody. If you've got a good candidate already lined up and if you don't what do you think about me. Running and here are the things that I think would be good about me and the things that wouldn't be and she said I don't care if you run and he said I don't care if you run. Yeah that's your decision like in like a what kind of way like in I like. Yeah go ahead. Oh like a on like don't why are you talking to me. Like how did she say the look on your face of confusion. That was the look on my face of sort of what what what are what. What just happened so did she? Did she found banks. Did she offer you like volunteers. No she offer you you money like fun fundraising don't know. So what does she offer you literally. Nothing experience of Nancy was pretty typical. The Alabama Democratic Party is known to be disorganized underfunded but this meeting convinced of but it was actually worse than that but Nancy. They had no plan to capitalize on his post. Doug Jones Energy no plan to win so Tabitha decided that she was going to just do this on her own. She hired a campaign pay manager cobbled together a team. Volunteers raised over half a million dollars. He's doing really well for the first time but top of a new but if you really wanted to win she'd need the support of the all powerful Joe read because as a White Democrat running in Alabama couldn't win without the back vote which meant she needed needed an endorsement from jewelries organization a black political group called. Va DC SO TARA ASTA RIDDEN ADC for support As you got it however was a catch they endorse me and then three days later I got a phone call saying In order to tell voters that we endorse you you need to pay us. Fifteen thousand dollars. Fifteen thousand in his in like like we need you to like. Why would they need fifteen thousand dollars to get the word out to black voters in district? How did they tell you that needs to be fifteen thousand? Call you on the phone. Dr Joe Reid calls on the phone and says you need to pay this money. Would you say I don't I remember was now planning getting to spend fifteen thousand dollars. I already get out the vote plan for the primary. I can't just write you a check for fifteen thousand dollars and he said well. It's what you need to do. And we were very quickly Lee at an impasse where there was no negotiating about it and I was like well let me. I let me see what I can let me see what I can do. TARIFF DIDN'T WANNA lose the endorsement mint so she wrote a check for the maximum amount. Her campaigns allowed to give five thousand dollars. And you dropped it off at Jerry's office and said I'm sorry but I don't know at this point how I can give you more than five thousand dollars. Legally I said you know if you're if you're doing get out the vote for me. If you're a service provider Peter a business. Send me an invoice for the services that you're providing and I can pay it. They never did They asked asked me to pay some more money into a different pack. And that I could find no record that pack existed the top of this whole thing a lot like but when I talk to Joe about this. He said he hadn't done anything wrong. Getting out the black vote takes money in any case. TAFFER didn't have time to fight about this. She had an election election coming up so she went about her. Business kept campaigning. And just hope that Joe Reed would go ahead and get out the vote for her decision twenty eighteen. We have been then with you all night long as the votes. Continue to come in across Alabama now vendor six two thousand eighteen nearly every single Democrat like around the state in Alabama runs against Republican loses. Obviously a great deal of disappointment here at the Democratic Watch party at Jackson County in Huntsville including Tabitha when it comes time to give a concession speech all that frustration she stifled during the campaign. It just comes out. y'All don't often and get the Siemian angry. I haven't shown my anger much on this campaign trail but I can get angry. I am angry at one. Point speech cuff assaults listening audience. Accountable huddles heck campaign faced about list. She and her own party have the support of the State Party. What State Party? It never occurred to me that I had said anything that would upset some of the party. A there's not a party to upset I stand by my statement Amen. What party is not an active party? But but it certainly wasn't. I wasn't trying to start that fight. I knew I was starting fights that evening thing. That wasn't the one I meant to get into. Tabitha had accidentally enlisted herself in a wall. A wall that would Democrat against Democrat putting people Tabitha against Nancy and ultimately Joe read a video clip of speech it went viral in Alabama across the state. Democrats were making accusations. The problem in Alabama wasn't the GOP Democratic Party people compared notes. Nancy didn't Ron Campaign ads. She didn't plan for legislative session. Nobody could even get a hold of like not even on the phone and I personally can attest about. I too was victimized by Nancy's voicemail which is always full anyway. The problem was concerned many of the people who wanted to fix the Party and replace. Nancy didn't have any power for what they needed. was somebody with real clout to meet you. Good to see I. I met Senator Doug Jones in his office downtown Birmingham and even though it's been almost two years since he ran for Senate and one he's still so angry about how the State party treated treated him curious when you ran for Senate in that special election two thousand seventeen. What did the Potty do few damn thing anything nothing? We tried to get them. They wouldn't they wouldn't even agree to help manage some Get out the vote monies that we could bring into the party because they wanted to completely control and not even coordinate with us. And I'll be damned if I was going to do that so we built our own infrastructure for that special election without regard of the party because the party couldn't do it. They had had no mechanism to do it. We have nothing that challenges the Republican Party today which is passing some horrible legislation. And you got nothing but crickets coming out the state party. Here's the thing. Doug Jones knows that in just a year. He has to run for re election. And this time. He can't count on running against an alleged child molester so to have a finding John's Doug Jones is going to need an actual functional state. Party led by somebody. WHO's not Nancy early and Doug Jones new? But if you wanted Nancy John He'd have to get permission from Joe read. That went to visit Dr Reed in March after I got sworn in to say dot look. There's a lot of people out there that won't your scalp. I don't that's not my issue. I'm in a position now that I can really help this party. We can do things we can raise money. We can pay the off debt. We can recruit candidates. They're such an energy but we can't do it as long as the current leadership is in place. We can't do it. I can't I can't ask people to give of money for a state party that no one has any confidence in. I told Joe I said help me find somebody that can run as if we can get new leadership we can do a Lotta things. I got completely shut out. I asked read about this meeting. After the elected he came and said he wanted to change party chair and I asked him who he won't. He named the person he won't. I said what part of CIA and he said. Well she's GonNa be up for election. We want you to the feeder so no. I'm not going to do that as you want me to get really my friend. But you're saying that he was trying to. I'll say what not offend. I didn't care because I wouldn't ask where either way it didn't bother me. When I make a commitment I stay hitched? One of my political philosophy all crimes worse crime is in gratitude. You say lawyer to your friends make as many friends as you can. But don't leave an old friend and make a new friend. What Joe was saying made sense in like a basic schoolyard kind of way but his shoes felt insane? Like Joe. Reid is choosing to pick a fight with a sitting. US Senator the superstar Democrat in Alabama. Why not to strike a compromise? Why didn't understand yet? Was that while Doug Jones for but he and Joe on the same side fighting the same opponent for Republicans. That's not actually. How Joe Sora? So let's just look at it from Joseph Sector for a second so I want to take you back to Montgomery Ima nineteen sixties walked among gumre. Joe Reed was a young activist and he met his enemy for the first time. Montgomery was one of the big bands of the civil rights. Movement is where Martin Luther King Junior Martha voting rights. Where Rosa Parks refused to move to the back of a bus? It's where George Wallace gave his notorious inaugural address segregate can can now Mara and Thera- Gatien Jared face off against George Wallace quite a few times in his career and George Wallace like most politicians. Joe was fighting back then was a democrat. Democrats ran the state and the Alabama Democrats was so racist. Just a bunch of him once the off from National Party because they wanted to keep segregation they were cooled dixiecrats in Alabama's always had this drug them For power between what we call it a lawless and the dixie correct law whether white folk who What we call on the progressive side of the fence? ooh Okay dixiecrats. Were those who want to keep black folk. Hot Keep Black folks and wanted to keep won't keep status quo. dixie grants would would be juries constant enemy the him for what became like a personal shorthand for any white southern Democrat. Joe Four was racist in the nineteen sixties. He's Joe Reid joined this black activism mutation called the Alabama Democratic Conference the ADC. They wanted to organize back. People to vote dixiecrats out of office but the dixiecrats made just getting voting booth need the impossible. I spoke to Randy Kelly. A member of eighty and a close ally of Jerry's before organizations like the. ADC The ADC doesn't happen. What is what is it like like what is political dissipation light for black people in Alabama if ABC didn't exist Oh man we wouldn't have any political progress at all because You you can get killed for registering devote. You could get your head bashed in and people were afraid to vote and that movement came out of Bush and Dr Ralph. David Abernathy used to tell me that we walk as smooth as we do as black folks is because we walk over a cop it pay with blood so so everything. We've got an Alabama. We've had to fight for of done carpet pay with blue the ADC took to the courts. Courts knocking down obstacles between black people and the voting booth. The Alabama Democratic Conference has sued the municipalities. They've sued the counters. They've sued the school board to bring about city council person's counting commissioners even registrars argued. Everybody yeah all those thing cutie albums used to say my Manta Manta woke up in the morning looking for somebody to sue and went to bed upset at night because they couldn't find anybody to be eighty. We also fullback against dixiecrats aggressive gerrymandering. Tuskegee was like a sea monster to keep black people from voting. And what do you mean by that. Like House Jerem en Henry because make encounter is heavily populated black counter so they head to draw in a very skewed way to keep them black people being elected by the late. Nineteen Seventy S. Joe Reid is running the ADC back. People voting in huge numbers numbers. Big enough to finally vote for dixiecrats out of office but now will there wasn't a dixiecrats insight and it wasn't because they were gone it was just that White Democrats who wanted to win. Elections now knew there was no way for them to win without convincing black voters. They're on their side. Even George Wallace George Segregation forever. Wallace didn't call himself a Dixie grant. I'm by his. He's lost run for governor in eighty two. He was quoting the black vote so now black voters have to decide who was a dixiecrats in disguise and one one person they relied on to tell them joe read. He would actually hand out sample ballots to black voters telling them which politicians were safe to vote for. Joe had helped to organize a real black electric Alabama. And if he'd stopped there his legacy would have been secure he probably would have spent his eighties. I Dunno hanging out with his grandkids. I'm kate appearing and PBS documentaries but in one thousand nine hundred ninety. This thing happens kind of by accident that gives Joe Keys to the Alabama Democratic Party for decades aides to come and it started with a problem. which was that even? Though the Democratic Party was increasingly made up of black people the Party leadership the people on the SEC see was still mostly white. It's an imbalance. So Joe and his allies follow lawsuit and as a result of sediment follows. Joe Is handed an extraordinary ordinary amount of power for a slice invocation but solution. The party comes up with to fix the imbalance decide on a new rule and they didn't do the purpose but that role made it to that Joe for the next twenty eight years could add seats to the SEC and fill the seats with his allies. It's like the political version of a license to print money. I've never heard of a rule like this so much so but I call it the Joe Reid rule which brings us back to the present. Joe's turned himself into a political juggle in Alabama which is why when Doug Jones Nancy Wurley gone. He has to go off. Joe I I. Doug Jones like countless White Democrats before him off. Joe Read to trust him and what Joey is is a man asking him to give up control Tola Party. He's built a white Democrat trying to put black people in that place. Yard waters. Nine thousand nine hundred seventy four. He tried to get him to be jailed apart. We beat Bernhardt follow. That happens. Oh John was trying to do the same thing. He's trying to die but black influence in Democratic Party. They WANNA get rid of and large mammals. Well black but I guess my question is like why would somebody. But he like Doug Jones Doug Jones famous for representing like the girls who were killed in a bombing in Burma like why would he want to get rid of black people on the on the not so much I they get rid of the black well we just WANNA be able to control them is it. I guess I guess my question is about controlling black people just controlling the party both it you can control the black folk you can control the party because blacks majority in the party. We're not going to stand by be waterboy. Water Girls Joan. Anybody out for decades Joe is protected. Democratic Party against the people he believes would destroy it once. You understand that you understand. Why does anything fingered us? Why he voted down? Sheila Gilbert and twenty other candidates on that day back in two thousand fifteen why he refuses to give Nancy Worthy. Joe Reed will not walk away from a fight. Even if that is risking everything is fought for. I mean you'll Joji as a producer on our show. We'll continue this story over the next two episodes before for this is over you will see Democrats going to war with each other in public ugly ways see plots coups interrupted by other coups a gun. Toting Party official a heated dispute over who has cleaned toilets by the end the Democratic Party in Alabama will be changed forever who filed by me. Pj vote now. School men produced by shoot the opinion any fee abandon Domino Marchetti Anatoly Jessica Yang Jersey. Our executive producer is Tim. Howard we're mixed by Kwan and Katherine Anderson backtracking by Michelle Harris our interns Rachel Cohn our theme music is by mysterious brake master cylinder music in this episode from Brake Master Cylinder and Luke Williams special especial? Thanks this week to Kyle whitmire Cindy Graham. 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Monitor Show 17:00 07-26-2020 17:00

Bloomberg Radio New York - Recording Feed

01:42 min | 11 months ago

Monitor Show 17:00 07-26-2020 17:00

"How long how much how many financial policy and medical experts are working on answers, twenty, four seven, what about public debts? We are listening to those experts twenty, four, seven, effectively widening this cap with its programs, because you want answers to what's the most important of trillions in stimulus, economies, reopening or the infections curved ending Bloomberg radio, the Bloomberg business APP and Bloombergradio Dot Com Bloomberg. The world is listening. Capital of the world, twenty four hours a day Bloomberg, dot com on the Bloomberg business APP and Bloomberg quick tape. This is Bloomberg radio. Lying in State Texas outbreak I'm Anne cates mourners continue to remember the late congressman and Civil Rights Activists John. Lewis correspondent Martin savage is in Montgomery County I. Alabama. is now lying in state. In the Alabama State House. The same place for George Wallace at one time. The man who? was absolutely segregations late at state, but now John Lewis is there is a son of Alabama he was greeted by the people of Montgomery. And now his body will lie in state for those who can come and pay their respects. Authorities are increasingly concerned about the growing number of children in Texas who are infected with covid Nineteen Dallas. County judge Clay Jenkins with a desperate warning for Texans after the county reported a five year old boy dead from the virus. This rapidly spreading virus affects all ages. It's the first preteen death in Dallas County from covid nineteen, but according to the numbers over fourteen hundred children in the county of tested positive since July.

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The Infamous Words of George Wallace

Radio Diaries

10:56 min | 11 months ago

The Infamous Words of George Wallace

"Redo diaries is brought to you by progressive one of the country's leading providers of auto insurance. With. Progressive Name your price tool. You say what kind of coverage you're looking for and how much you want to pay and progressive find options that fit within your budget. Use the name, your price tool and start an online quote today at Progressive Dot Com price and coverage match limited by state. Law. Radio. X from PX IS RADIO TOPA? This is Radio Diaries Joe Richmond. A law and order politician who rails against anarchists protesting in the streets and the line mainstream media. It may sound familiar. We're actually going back more than five decades on the show today to a time when Alabama governor four time presidential candidate George. Wallace was perfecting the politics of resentment and race baiting. Lot of people have commented on the similarities between that time, and now John Lewis was one of them. Louis, of course, was the legendary civil rights leader Congressman who died last month you'll hear his words later on the show. Lewis surprising take on Wallace. He questioned if Wallace actually believed outweigh things he was saying. Lewis Theory is that George Wallace was a savvy politician and he knew just what to say to get ahead. George Wallace. His political career as a moderate with black support, the end Lacey Pe- even backed him in his first bid for governor. But after he was defeated nineteen fifty eight following the Montgomery bus boycott in the Supreme Court decision in Brown versus board of Education Wallace course in his next election Wallace rebranded himself and one. As, he stepped up to the podium at his inauguration in nineteen sixty, three wallace delivered. One of the most vehement rallying cries against racial equality in American history. Segregation now segregation tomorrow segregation forever. Whatever may have really been in George Wallace's heart before that day and in his later years that one single sentence became his legacy. Today in the show, the infamous words of George Wallace. My name is Wayne Green Hall. I always a newspaper reporter in Montgomery Alabama back in the nineteen sixties, I was a student activist and my name is Dr James Vpo Junior. My name is Dan. Carter. I wrote a biography of George Wallace, my name is. Lewis. I'm a member of the House of Representatives. And I. Remember the speech farewell. Beta. This is the way they are mine all. Governor of the State of Alabama George Wallace was inaugurated on the steps of the capital. The streets were packed all his followers all over the state crowding around the platform. And many of them wearing these white flowers which were meant to symbolize their commitment to white supremacy blacks were not invited to a tin was open to the public anyone in the public, but we were not the public. All of the major networks cover his inaugural address national television and that really catapulted him onto the national scene. So he proceeds to milk for everything that he can. Method back to Washington. Representatives who are here with us today that from this day we are standing up. And they he'll appear in does not fit the next on upright man. Putting on a show. He marched back and forth shook his fist. He was promised and he was going to stand alone for the southern calls the calls of the white people. Vehement it's mean-spirited is hateful. But how he said it was magnificent. Amalgamated into the one unit. As advocated by the Communist philosopher. Then the enrichment of our lives, the freedom of our development is found forever. Come down for a Mongol unit of one. Race. The white southerners who were standing out there in that freezing cold stomping their feet finally there was somebody who was saying what they felt, who is expressing their deepest fears about what's going to happen Hey. Somebody Express. It and Wallace was the one that did it. He said no matter what Supreme Court said and Brown versus the Board of Education. No matter what the federal government is saying we will continue to exercise states rights and we will continue to segregate. Let us after the car freedom-loving blood that is in. and. Answer to the caring and it. CAME FROM person. Might Governor? Elected official was saying in effect you. Would not welcome. You would not welcome in the name of the greatest people that have ever car. Bro The line in the dust. and. Before. The feet of tyranny and I say segregation now segregation tomorrow and Keurig Asian for her. Words can be very powerful. Words can be dangerous. Governor Wallace, never pull the trigger he never find the guy. But in his speech, he created environment for others to pull the trigger. In today's two weeks and months to come. We began to feel the sting of the speech. People, Night Ryan and burning. Crosses. The police beat down people and ran over them with horses. Put Tear gas on him. Later. During the same year, we witnessed the bombing of church. Will Fuller girls were killed on Sunday morning. This. was a very difficult and dog time in the American south. Segregation House aggregation forever became Wallace's symbol. Before while it's made at speech. The editorial page editor of the Montgomery advertiser tried to get Wallace to take out that part. Much later in life he he probably wished he had taken it out. George Wallace reselected governor in the next election and would continue to be over much of his lifetime. He ran for president four times and he did bear well whether it was racial backlash or hostility to the national government the social issues no-one played it better than Wallace did. But he would never hold national political office. Most Americans, what they know about George Wallace is segregation today segregation Tamara segregation forever that line is so iconic. So important. and. George Wallace was on the wrong side of history. George Wallace was shot down afternoon it campaign in. Maryland. Not far from Washington the fifty two year old Wallace had just finished talking to a crowded shopping center and it stepped from behind bullet proof podium when the shots rang out in May nineteen seventy-two George Wallace's shot five times. Spinal Cord wrist-band only damaged by one of the bullets and. He's paralyzed. One has to wonder if sitting in that wheelchair. Maybe, he had a chance to contemplate. A few short years later. I got to Congress governor. Wallace heard that I was gonNA be in Alabama. He said John Lewis will you come by talk with me and I remember the occasion so well, it was Lanc someone confessed and to the priest to minister, he wanted people to forgive him. He said, I never hated in body. Another hated blank people. You said Mr Lewis. I'm sorry. In. Said, we're, governor. Accept your apology. been type of person I am out of my heart out of my soul I can't forgive George Wallace. Yes. Heaven's sakes forgive him. But Forget. No Never. Never. The dust and To you since then. Often think about what Governor Wallace said in his speech. Does. It hurt me. No. In the end I think George Wallace was one of the signs onus loan journey. To a decryption of a better America. Towards the creation of more perfect union. Would just wanted a stumbling blocks. Along the way. The late John, Lewis who said that? He believes people have the capacity to change. George. Wallace was a lifelong politician and it's impossible to save his change of heart was authentic or not. The many of the people he was apologizing to believed. This later years, Wallace reached out to civil rights, activists and appeared in black churches to ask for forgiveness. And in his last election as governor, of Alabama, in Nineteen eighty-two, he won with more than ninety percent of the black vote. Wallace continued his apology tours long after he left office. The story was produced by smarter, Free Mark and myself with help from Ben Shapiro and was edited by Deborah George. The radio. PODCAST is produced by Sarah Kramer Nellie Gillis and myself we have support from the National Endowment for the humanities, the National Endowment for the arts and we are proud members of Radio Pierre from Pierre. And until Richmond Redo diaries thanks for listening. Radio till. Acts.

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Episode 1195 - George Wallace

WTF with Marc Maron Podcast

1:17:26 hr | 5 months ago

Episode 1195 - George Wallace

"Blocked all right alleged. Do this how are you. What the fuck what. The fuck buddies. What the puck knicks. What's happening. i'm marc maron. This is my podcast. Rest in peace. Larry king one of the great interviewers passed away a few days ago. We re posted my conversation with him which was a little tense at the beginning but then it eased into something kind of great. So if you're not familiar with larry in that way as wary talking about larry. It's it's a nice experience and we do that here at At the shop we re post the talks. I had with people who passed away in in memory of them. It's not something i like to do. But it's something i'm happy to do. And it also reminds me of my own life experience of where. I was what i was doing. Two thousand and thirteen driving to beverly hills to talk to larry king who is upset with me because we had gotten times crossed up. I thought i was on time. He thought i was weight. But it's It's it's a moment in time and you know he will be missed but no one can say he didn't live a full life. It's always sad when people pass but it's a little more understandable when their oldest fuck but Yeah today on the show. I talked to george wallace. The comedian probably seen him doing standup somewhere. Even if you don't watch a lot of stand up he's he's been doing it everywhere for decades and now he's got a renewed popularity because of his twitter feed. He's got a new book out called bull twit and whatnot and Yeah i've talked to him. Sort of amazing. I haven't talked to him yet. He's a guy that started in new york. He's one of these guys you know when he come up as a comedian when of the the things you deal with depending on the club if there's a club that's old club that's been around for a long time. There are a few comedy clubs that come to mind. Certainly the comedy store here in los angeles but like zanies in nashville where there's just hundreds of headshots of people from back in the day and as a young comic when you work these clubs there were more than back in the day road. Club's at Lasted through the eighties. That had been there since the beginning. And you just walk around looking at these pictures and you wonder like what the who's zach. What happened that guy to do a used to do a joke about that about the about the comedy store when he walked into the comedy stories. Just like hundreds of ed shots the the gallery of sadness where you you play the game. Whatever happened to that guy probably ended. Okay maybe not. But whatever. But i just remember george wallace's picture at the comic strip in new york another one of those places where it was just a strange black and white promotional shot of him as a preacher and i was wondering like what was that about so that was interesting to talk to him about about that. I don't know what's going to happen. None of us do. I know we feel better. Now that we've been released from this hostage situation from this fucking that we've had to go through this toxic brain fucking american fascistic swarm but i do think i have to acknowledge. I don't know about you. But because of what i've experienced over the last year with the the death of someone i loved and the general condition of plague and donald trump's presidency is. I believe that. I am experiencing some ptsd. And i think we all are. And i think it's ongoing. I think we've adapted to this isolating life or to this walk down life and whoever you know however many of you having to go to work every day and live in that the sort of fear of that hopefully many of you who who need who are vulnerable. Who are older. I'm getting the vaccine and feeling a little bit more safety but there is a ptsd that we're going to have to through. I think i don't know how. I don't know where this goes but i just hope you're taking care of yourself. I have begun a meditation practice. That i've been told that i should do for years but i've been doing it and i've added some yoga to it back in the day. Not too far back but in the last decade i used to do yoga once a week. Some hot flow. Yoga would joe at the hollywood. Ymca and i haven't done it in years. But i bought a nice matin. I've got it right next to my bag. It out of bed. I do a few sun. Salutations and then. I sit cross legged and i throw on the head space app and i don't know if that's i. It's weird because i listened to that guy. Okay take a few deep breaths breathing in the nose out through your mouth okay. He gives you a little pep talk. Some kind creativity is something we all want to do. But i can't quite do his voice. But i'm finding that the guided meditation thing. You know where you're supposed to if you have a thought you know don't get mad. Whatever get back to your body get back in your breath but you know he's talking by gets your point with guided meditation where you like. I was right there. And then you had. What tell me to count my breath. Count you breaths up to ten in and out one two three. Just pay attention. I was i was in it. I was right there. I do seem to get there after about ten minutes of him when he says time to open your eyes. I'm like i just got in it. And now i've been staying in a little longer again. Don't know what it does. I don't want don't know what it's for. I don't know why. But i'm doing it because it can't fucking hurt and god knows i have the time and the guy need to stretch because i'm compulsively exercising to maintain my sanity and i'm fifty seven fucking years old and i wake up and i feel like i'm broken. I feel like the entire machine needs fucking oil. I feel like oh my god. Is this the way it's going to be for the rest of it so the yoga's helping the breathing's helping it's all helping but it's weird isn't it man it's weird there's a a creeping sadness still isn't there but i do know this now is the perfect time to turn your best idea into a new website and you should do it with squarespace. You'll find what you need whether you're showcasing you work blogging and publishing content selling products and services announcing upcoming events. Or anything you can. Dream of buying domain from squarespace is easy because there are no hidden fees or price hikes and you can know your audience with their analytics tools. Get inside on page views. Traffic sources time spent on your site audience geography and more every squarespace website and online store comes with integrated features and useful guides. That help your site get good search results. Wti pod dot com is powered by squarespace and we love how easy it is to update the site. We can add new episodes in minutes and it looks great on any device without having to do anything different. Every change gets made on every platform head to squarespace dot com slash w. t. effort free trial. And when you're ready to launch used the offer code w t.f. to save ten percent off your first purchase of a website or domain that squarespace dot com slash w. t.f with offer code. Wtn for ten percent off your first purchase been watching. Some movies have been reading. this book. Watching the movies at the book is about watched in the heat of the night Sidney poitier in rod. Steiger terrific norman. Jewison movie watched. I guess who's coming to dinner. The stanley kramer movie will difficult watched a but spencer. Tracy and katharine hepburn. Wow spencer tracy holy fuck his last movie drop dead before. It came out just stunning just amazing bonnie and clyde i watched The other two movies at the books about our The graduate in dr doolittle is that book called. I am so fucking bad. It pictures at a revolution. I don't know if i'm going to get to dr doolittle and god knows i've seen the graduate a lot. But i'm i'm i'm nearing the end of the book and it's sort of like he's bringing all this together. It's sort of you know kind of talking about the shift in the business but it's such green great to watch. The movies also watched a woods. That new movie promising young woman. Is that what it was promising. Young woman. promising. Yeah with the carey mulligan. My former glow co stars in it. Chris lowell. allison brie. It was it was a heavy movie. It's a disturbing movie. it's dark movie. It's a powerful movie delivers a punch at the end. It's kind of sad but satisfying. But i do not know why you would take that story personally and sort of couch it. In kind of an indie comedy framework or swipe campinas to it. You know this is like sometimes you. If you make a film that is heavy. I mean this is a a real examination and and revenge tale about toxic. Masculinity is at what if what if you had played that straight in the way of like. What if you're just approached as you know a real a human story without kind of buffering it with this kind of indie camping. I don't know. I'm not saying it's a bad movie and and i and i was satisfied at the end of it but i don't know if i'll remember it in the way that i would remember like there's a like there's an old clint eastwood movie that is similar in theme called sudden impact. Which you know really delivered a message about Female rage around helplessness in the face of abuse and the most toxic of the masculinity rape murder. And like. i'll never forget it and this new movie Promising young woman is great. it's well performed. But there's a sheen to it because of the indie campinas that i wonder if it undermines The power of the story. You be the judge just talking little movie review and like a movie review a. I enjoyed it a delivered. It was satisfying the but those are my issues and it doesn't matter watch it. See for yourself. Listen quick cat. Update buster scholar sneezy. He's a little sneezy very talkative. Were bonding deeply. I always knew this would happen. Once the guys past nude buster. And i would have our time and we do. You can check out my instagram live every day. If you want to check in with buster and be part of the conversation. He's got a bit of a catnip problem right now but bottom line busters an important part of my life and i'm sure that's true for every pet. Owner petsmarts associates also really loved pets and caring for them is a big part of why they work there. And as an essential retailer since the beginning of the pandemic petsmart has made it safe and easy for you to care for your pet to online or in stores at petsmart the health and safety of employees pet parents and pets are what's most important which is why they require face coverings support social distancing installed glass shields and implemented enhanced cleaning to follow. Cdc recommendations if you're interested in contact with shopping just order online at petsmart dot com or on the petsmart app and enjoy easy curbside pickup or same day delivery powered by door dash free through january thirty first twenty twenty one. You can get everything your pet needs right to your door and right when you need it. Check out petsmart dot com for more details at petsmart dot com one of those right around the corner from me george wallace. His new book is bull. Twit and whatnot is available at george. Wallace dot net and This is me talking to the comedian. George wallace me. George orwell man. Of course i do you so much. Where are you at. At l. y. Conga you're down into anna sir. That is that where you come from. A born raised in atlanta. Yeah born and i'm right now. My condo was one mile from where i was born so you. Oh so you're living down there live in new york city. I live in las vegas. And i live in los angeles. You actually have you own places. And all those places i do. I own seventeen properties. I found myself Didn't do drugs you can't do. An era was making a lot of money in two thousand eight. Two thousand nine in las vegas and yeah and i just buying cheap properties and i really screwed up when the market is down. Make sure you buy man. You can buy a lot. You haven't been buying any new properties. No i have enough. I'm trying to get rid of them. Now i'm trying to get rid of the profit especially with my new york city because Maintenance is a bitch you know if new york is not your primary address they add another two and a half percent to your to your mate maintenance really yes maintenance maintenance is that's what i'm going to sell my place. How did they know when. You're not living there primarily just because a doorman rats you out. How did they know. Because when you file your taxes you have to you know you see in two places yes so you can't do that so atlanta you down there. I don't live. I'm just your sister. Quarantine done in march fourteen. You got all the most. My mom is all over the world. But i got a lot of family here in atlanta and so i'm here and i'm pretty strict about quarantining young in the house since march fourteenth bursts. Seldom i go out i am. My food is delivered to the door. My really grow freeze and our deliveries whatever. go to the doctor and i'm really scared to go to the doctor and not a shot man. Yeah you got the covid chung. You'll sir congratulations. Thank you so much. I call my doctor. Call them all and lied to him asap. The first one. Nobody could get it in one guy says i a dosage. You like to come in tomorrow morning at nine fifteen. We'll we'll bring you answer nine fifteen hours there and i'm glad i got it atlanta home of the cdc. So they're saying get it and a lot of african. American people is still a little shaky about getting because experiment. We went through many years ago but the simplest jobs took to tuskegee. Gile the tuskegee trials. Not good and it could be another child now. I don't know. I just know. I'm old and i got the shot. I won't be in the number. Well we're all in on it now if it's a trial it's on all of us george. This time we're all going down. Did you get the shot no. I'm not old enough. you'll fucker knew. City your sixty fifty seven bro. Fifty seven thirty seven both basis. So i did it and seinfeld. Got it on saturday where he gave you got it in new york city. Why is he old to healthy. So he's he's in the age group Yes it was amazing. Georgia was like number fifty on the list with worse condition. Just couldn't get. It wasn't distributed properly but it was around right. I mean it was around so you call it a few guys and you're like you know a guy's got some well call my doctor and i said that if you know anything let me know and through someway. Somehow he got dosages Went there. i'm so stupid you know. My job is to try to write jokes and shit. So i'm sitting there and i'm very cautious about my mask and my she'll our go where she'll glasses our everything but i didn't even. I shouldn't even say this. But i did cut a fart in the doctor's office and no of his patients have colbert's everybody smells her. They got up and walked. The folks love it. So that's that was their test for the day if they were if they were there for a covid test they got one from your ass. Get one so odd. Because i'd be thinking. I say you know what i'm gonna open up my own testing sites. Yeah so. I shouldn't be doing part jokes but but it did work. Hey you know. I talked to another comedian in england about fart jokes fart jokes have been around since the beginning of time. George fart jokes always work no matter how cheap they are. Everybody enjoys a fart joke. Would you say that again. That's another don't do part jokes. Why not people laugh at your data. You grew up in budgets. Always always always been there and they just as you get older people. Expect more out of you. That's what you always go with. What works the most simple simplicity. Or you want to be the fart guy. Do you want to be the farc guy. I'll talk about so much of the know me. I don't play by the rules anyway. I'll talk about anything. And everything. I really don't have a show. I'm quite nervous talking to you. Because i have absolutely nothing to talk about and i'm going to be with you like an hour. Well what the hell am i gonna say for an hour. I mean it is interesting. Because i i've known of you and about you and i've seen you around since since i started doing comedy. You know so. There's like it's one of those areas where your guy that i don't really know how you started but you know you were around in new york with that whole second wave a guys wall. You're so you're born in atlanta. And what happened. Where how how did you end up in new york. Let me tell you something. I really wanted to be a comedian. Since up a six years old why did you see risk felt oh yeah red skelton boso red skelton us a red box richard pryor i saw johnny carson on tv and milton. Berle a kid in high school. What i would do. I would hear these guys on. Tv on thursday night. I think there's an it was funny night on carson right. I'm going to the next one. I go to school without due to jokes and people would laugh hell. I didn't know you know. I listened to the party. Records with a red fox and judge markham and moms mabley and people. Jim issue parents have him years. They had them you know when they went away. They will call party record site because they were already. I got some of those you have. I've got some old red fox party records. Yeah records you got me records i do. I gotta do that man. I got my one of my favorite photos. I got all of my comedians. Comedians grow got richard. Pryor got jackie moms. Maybe i got a red fox even jay walkers on there. I got a lot of people with you pictures with you. Know now with me of them are a little older than i am. Even jay jay walker. I come along and company and three years earlier jay jay walker would not have had a job i know i can beat him out of that damn job so you started doing comedy in high school or no no. I am with georgia. I went to ohio. I needed a degree in transportation. How'd you decide on transportation. Because i always love troubling not bother travel and we went all over the country and i just love and get heat car. Get on my dad was a butcher. Traveling butcher. Work in la worked for swift and company. So we have opener. Sue brought about turkey and those people so but he always traveled. And i think i learned that to this day people. That travel are smarter than most people. When you travel and learn what's going on in the world is so important. And i hope you do travel. I hope your child but do you travel. You know when we go to work when we're able to work round the wrong. No no i mean do you sometime take off from what we do because when we work we work peeled understand standard about us. We're going to go. I'm going to cleveland going to chicago and you call your family. They don't understand. you will hear you. But i'm working on here the bulls today. I guess so. But i try to get around. Don't you get around when you go to work. I try to see the city. Sometimes like i've worked in europe. I'll travel around a little bit. I travel probably not as much as i should do you or i threw two hundred and fifty thousand. I got a call last week to do hong kong. Go back to hong kong their do you travel without working. Yes i do like. I said i get two hundred fifty thousand easily. Oh man i love that airplane the big get up in that seat and you just ask me. What do i live. Normally my low crazy answer is a little bit united and delta flied flying. I love learning people that travel. You're on of the cultures. And where do you like to go. where have you been you name it. I've been from shanghai to to to singapore to do by to johannesburg. Where do you go back to. where do you like. I've been there many times slain to spain six times spending nude beaches freaks were. I couldn't be a frequent america. But i used to be a freak and spain. Yes secret freak. Your secret test spanish freak. Everybody's got a little Yeah i just. I never want new a number. What nude on the beach. But i used to love going to the nude beaches so you were. The frequent looked at the nude people wearing your trump. I swear to god. I was clicking. These beaches are frequent. People were having sex in the woods. Used to go watch. I'm telling no business. I'm telling all my love but you know it's all about fun. Nobody's getting hurt and they're okay with it was okay to watch. They didn't mind. But i'm do that. People would like to do that but track all over the world like going to buy a love all of the edge like dubai's an interesting city. I don't know whether you've been there. Not i haven't but you must have done. Stand up there right. Don't stand up everywhere. I go over to most interesting places would be china and hong kong. I did stand up in beijing. And i was in hug beijing. I did an ex patriot. Ex pat gig and it was weird to be there man. It's to be in china. Beijing is intense because it's a regal city washington dc. but when you get to shanghai. Shanghai is my favorite city in the world. Shanghai's three times larger new york city three times more modern in new york city. So it's amazing and then you start begging because we grew up that america has everything well under countries are doing well to even though that being a communist city is what the hell is going on there selling shit on the street like they're doing new york city and hong kong just beautiful. Beijing is crazy. I've never seen so many different types of bicycle vehicles. Yeah and people were just like getting haircuts on the street and they're selling kittens. I dunno know those puppies street right. Yeah yeah so. Yeah so you think this would not be a part of communism at all when you think that's not communist. That's commercial to make me. I don't think there's any straight up definition of communism anymore so it's so dug in there it doesn't mean you can't sell kittens on the street. There's other reasons you probably shouldn't sell kittens. The also kids and chicken and snakes cover shipping. Are these food or pets. That's why i had a problem with understanding. What are these kittens for. Who i never thought about it like that. The second too crazy you couldn't it. Yeah of course you could be day know. Sorry buddy derail i get. What is good you know what is good and china. Mcdonalds donald kfc. I think they used the old formula with the french fries. And the grease. I did you what. I did notice so when i was in beijing. Those were the only two logos i understood like. I like everything all the other signs. I didn't know what they said. But mike There's the puckett there's arches now. You will be surprised you when you leave beijing and you go down to shanghai then you would see you know. You got your haagen-dazs ice cream. You got your starbucks coffee. I don't know why it's so different. And hong kong has just like america to be honest because you know hong kong was a british colony so the first language was english anymore. They nine hundred ninety nine nine hundred ninety nine and it's causing a lot of problems and that's why i just was summoned to come back to hong kong to do a show. I don't know what i can do what i used to do. i don't know what it's like there anymore. It sounds like she went down does and i thought they were gonna a really. They still fight. But they're locking people up and sending them to jail in. China may ryan so scared pretty tough man scary stuff but trouble is the best thing you could ever do. Make sure you continue to travel all the time do you i do. I work by out of the country enough. You know. I mean i did do i. I went to ireland recently. Which i love. You never been never been to ireland. Scotland london scotland and ireland or beautiful view of. I mean if you like that kind of stuff. Green and damp and Even though i wanna move to vancouver british columbia. I don't like green and dam even though i thank seattle washington and portland their green in down and as of the most beautiful part about america. That yes great. You want to go to vancouver. That's where you're going to run. Let me tell you. I want to go to vancouver because of yeah and then just going across the line. I think they've got like seven thousand deaths in canada because of leadership nine. Like i mean you got the vaccine off the other another shot. I still gotta with another three weeks. I'm no playing with this man. I'm not ready to go to the clubs yet. And i thank god for the young cummings that are going on to the calls. But if there's any german terrier that's where it is in the clubs yeah ain't going out. I'm not going out to the clubs. Oh my god you might say you see these ads going out and see a few of them coming up sick lately. Yeah this you droplets coming out of your mouth level on the autism. They laugh at your jokes. If you really funny yeah. That's all coming in. The nastiest thing in the world is being on stage. How many people have been on. The mike bast aids kobe. A perfect storm of cove. It can be done and you've done. We've done fifty hundred thousand shows. We can wait so in ohio. You're getting your transportation degree. How did that work out. Where were you working. Thank you for going back there. I got a degree. I went to downtown rubber company because they had of tuition assistant program. So i got a degree in an and transportation in our new outgoing personality got the degree. It was only associate degree at the time but i did walk out of the library. This time. i'll take test anywhere and the labs has well as get out of here. And the next week there was some more scholarship money son. Went back to get my other degrees in marketing and transportation. So you're all set for comedy with transportation and marketing. You're ready to go. It's time to be ahead degrees. And then i moved to new york city to become a comedian. But i needed to financial cushion when when you were working at firestone. What were you doing making computer. Computer computer technologists waiting. You know hale. Obe the The computers today remember one computer to take up a whole room with ibm. Yeah i did that. yes so did. What a random machine around the cards that you would punch the cards denting entry data-processing. I was watching the buttons. Like like a board right now. That's the most amazing job. i think. When i got your radio station. I see a guy punching buttons and making them go back and forth. And you want to do that. But i use operate a computer to do the printing and doing the punching buttons and just reading the instructions. So i get that but that was to get a financial cushion to get me just to get a degree. I was bad. i'm not. I'm not a good student man. I need to go back to school now. It's not going to happen. Georgia's days are behind you all the way to go back to school my head. My head is fucked up. Because i don't use a lot of embarrassed. I don't use a lot of big words like dennis. No she needs you. Well i had a. i had a instructor. Dr ella wishes miskito and he said one profound statement never speak what people understand. you always speak were they. Never misunderstand you be as simple as possible and that struck a chord in my head and to this day. I don't use a lotta big words. I don't know a lot of big words. Should i just two weeks ago. I just got into Insurrection and look it up back with a new one and another one to seditious seditiously. I looked up. Everybody is whenever new court something big happening whereas oj the oj. Trial had defend that now about dependent and they all of a sudden sequestering and well. Oh god i got to look that up too so every alerts you can do it every day. George you could. Just i think they have something On the computer where you learn a new word everyday vocabulary but you don't get to the right place where you wanna use it at the right time so you learn then you forget it but i do. I would like to go back to school and learn more. I'd like to learn more history. I like to learn more of everything. But can't you do that on your own. What do you need a school for lazy. now right. you're right. you're on the computer. You can go to computer every morning and tell you you need someone to give you an assignment old school. I need to sit in a chair. Neither desk. I think i would do better with the with the going to school. The actual being in class than how these young kids getting away with online online learning. You've got to be put it. It's terrible it's tough for everybody. Their parents are going crazy. Everyone's going crazy. No one's everyone's in the house going enough. But i did that. I wanted to go to school to get a financial cushion then. I sold rags when i got to college. What is it. Nineteen o two. What do you mean so rags. Let me tell you something. Young man. I i am not communists. That's like eighteen fifty three louis. Selling rags mean was a job man. You'd be surprised how much money people make selling rides on rags rags that you wipe things with yes sir. You're you're racks. The i think i did that too mechanics. You know the mechanic has the and but y you just. Where'd you get the rags to sell. Did you work for a rag selling company or is there a place where he has to work. I know this sounds really stupid. Guy so right so bridesmaids was when i got to new york needs to make some money to get a financial cushion. A rid net. This is how old i am. When i was young. We had you had to go to the newspaper to read the one ads. Remember that no you too young remember. Of course they had to watch in the back in the back. Yes yes yes yes. and so. it's at one hundred fifty to three hundred dollars a day. Check this out. And i checked it out and it was selling rags and the name of the company was cleveland. Cotton products now. I went to school in akron. Ohio which is thirty miles down the road. I went back to cleveland to learn how to sell rags and prospects processing rags. You'd be surprised how many people need rags restaurant need rags. Car dealership. drags doctor's office need drags everybody to razek. Schools need rags to clean. So you're deep into the rag racket man. Let me tell you. Something i soc. While in one thousand nine hundred seventy two man. I sold one thousand. Nine hundred. didn't have a name for it. then it was just follow. Disposable cloth got a rag. Yes it was the new rag that was a disposable reusable cloth. How does the first day. I will make thirty five hundred dollars my life. Selling those sullen rights are to earl. Scheib and i i used to have a pin just like this little pencil would stick in my pocket scale underwear rag and get the biggest right. The having us as I want to wait a rag. How much of this How many how much are you paying for. Pound barack visit twenty-three cents iraq. Your ways eight hours oh man. That's trump this one rag. I can say your brand new universal cloth every day unit just and you can reuse it. Reusable a brand new claw. Why i had to change their way of thinking around the rags. And that's how you made your fortune in rags. I'm one of the first people to sell a disposable cloth at the dentist's office. Used to be a white napkin. There were put on your at the dental office. But as you know now they put A hindu whitewater plastic batting. I sold that many years ago. So i am. You're you're a rag pioneer. Well i didn't make it all. Just do sell. The ship was Equipment way back then so before. Our gym wall came out. I was selling that. And i made a lot of money doing that. And then i wanted to sell advertising so everything times square. The five awesome buses in new york city. I was vice president of that outdoor advertising company only on the budget all the five thousand buses in new york city chicago. Detroit cleveland job. All of a sudden on the monas square in athens greece with a friend of mine was just talking about our careers and that was a friend that he knew that way in greece. Urine greece athens greece. And this is before you started doing comedy. You were just in greece. What the subway. Their lowest greyhound. I drove back way. A lot of people don't know you can drive a year if you go back talking about careers. Young young men talking about careers and that was the guy that he knew that That made a seventy thousand dollars. A year selling advertising space so partic- you learned how to learn how to hustle. So you learned how to sell. I mean you had to sell this stuff so that that got involved with people still wanted to be with a minute. Let's make one thing perfectly clear. Learning how to sell a product is the same thing as learning how to sell a joke. You got on stage and present the packets right. Oh i sold to I had big accounts. Let's put it like this. When i was in new york city. Catch riding star. One thousand nine hundred seventy six i was i was making seventy five thousand dollars then as a young kid and that was and people say you're going to become a comedian are never cured. All i ever wanted to do was become a comedian. Never wanted to do when he television movies. Anything like that just wanted to tell jokes. Because i'm new red fox and all of the guys patrick henry for so fucking funny man. Yeah see i knew there and they were working las vegas that we were told that patrick henry done. They will make three hundred thousand dollars a year. That's all i made to me. What the fuck. I needed wonder hoopla. That's all i wanted to make and still show so when you decided to start doing it. Did you have an act. Yes because i have studied at new york city. I started seinfeld. And i started together. Nineteen seventy six. A catcher. Out and star with castro. That's what we're still best friend. Forty-five years right now. We started together riding star. So do you remember. You was an open mic night. Or what monday night did you do that. Yeah i never. I didn't have the the the the pride. I couldn't sit there and wait for lewis to decide when i was gonna fucking go on so i i stayed downtown. I went to the improv. I just couldn't. I could not tolerate lewis verandah having any control over my life whereas off talking about. I'm looking for my phone. I wanted to call louis how he looked up your life. He knows he's still doing kill on lately. I think we've i think i think we're okay him and i. I've address that so i'm sure so who was on there. Who was around when you guys. I went up. So where'd you meet seinfeld. Catchy was sitting. I my first little blanket at the end. And he was a little long haired jewish kid other to borrow and we started talking waiting to go on and the next thing you know that we started to bonn and hang together. Who is in charge of putting you on was rick. Rick was the boss. Of course you have belshazzar and you had bill maher and yet adrien toast so belshazzar who rando. Who ran the monday night. I one of the three of those one of the three. And so you're just this guy and you. You had an idea because i remember seeing a word. I see that the picture. I used to look at when i was gonna do what i was doing. I was a preacher. That's getting ready to say right. I was on a robe. Yeah that picture. They have comic strip in the robe in the preacher rope. You know when you start and you don't know what you're doing so you decided on a preacher. I went to comedy school. A little comedy class urban dalvin and then rick over quite a few guys we were in the class. Only rick open and do what you do. And all i did you know i'm a country boy from atlanta georgia coming out of the church and i would always mocked preaching and he thought that was a great character and i had put on the road when the jewish high highest of high and i had yellow pages telephone book. You remember the yellow pages. Was that yeah. That was my bible the good book of bell. Whatever you want. Look it up in the book. I was known as reverend george wallace back in the day. Look at in the book and was you hook. Yep and i was good at it too until i got lovely hotel up in in the in the mountains on doing that. Preacher stick and the the phone book and it was all improvised. You just kinda go with jokes. They were everything off. You know they they they want. I didn't know shit. I don't know what i was doing. But i was having fun. I do have the personality to go up and sell myself. That's what i think. Most people that's one of my phone formulas sell yourself. Catch rising star. At that time everybody was hanging out there. That was a big place. I mean kid. David begnaud was man. That's why Johnny carson will come in and Brenner and ped- man the biggest Steve loosening gen. Oh god and i got to go on and you know i. Your pay was a meal. If you wanted a hamburger steak when you made an and go on there and being able to make people laugh you know as a young person and they had a ban. Didn't have talion food there. Oh yes that's what i was gonna say strip scampi i got was that good. Yeah and i think we rug bobbio taylor. Yeah remember but that was before my time so you started doing and who's your crew. It's you and seinfeld and who else well what was also building the comic strip two blocks away so we were not regular kelly rogers and like i said he lay booze and all of those guys they were just everybody was but they own devastat clubs so The comic strip opened so we went over. There i'm over there to sell them advertising on the buses and new york city. But was that guy's name richie richardson. Yeah bob wax. Who also went onto to manage. Eddie murphy right so i said i'd do a little act after as you need to put your business on the street and the back aldis bus. I'm gonna put you on a one hundred buses going down. Second third avenue. Eat drink and be married to coming back in. You can get into the clubs. They will just packed they were pack. And so yeah it was a new thing and i said i do it myself. This come in tomorrow night. Thursday night and audition. I went in and my robe and my telephone book in my briefcase here. Just the right. Reverend dr joy they bring up with music bond. All when the saints go marching in the whole long get into on and and they bought it and i've been on stage since every night since then and i learn as i grew i grew out of the you know. You can't do stock jokes. You gotta learn how to be you as they say you don't even know who you are and what was that. What happened in the mountains man. What was the what was the how. How did the reverend end. Because i went up to the mountains there was an article yesterday. Debuted just did an article just did a show with a meal. Forgotten meals name nila brennan. Yeah and they talked about a guy that never bombs george wallace was another. He never bums or they never met me before. It is a mountain the man. I don't know whether you've ever bombed i liked to have a good time on. So he's but. I was in the mountains and to forty five minutes. Who told me that. I could go to the mountains in front of all of of the jewish people to know all of the joy. The jokes the world and i has stock jokes. Somebody thought i could go up there and make one hundred dollars fifty dollars a night for forty five minutes with no realized right. I will not stage and i did my jokes. I got no laughs. No no loves for forty five minutes after all through kling kling kling kling. No distant heard. This was worse than my mother. Skin'll and driving from new york. Yeah your your heart died drums from new york to back in new york. I really really wanted to drive off the grid. No you don't understand. what bad is. It was bad man out. Believe me i. I've been doing this more than half my life. I definitely know what bad not. Not this is based on mean crying bad and got a little better than three years later. I went back up to the early. And i did you know and i did. I did a better job. Numbers all jewish lady. She was a waitress. There cut me on the shoulder. She says much better this time. So yes so. I did that. With the reverend. Learn and said the reverend the reverend died with the jews continued to do the reverend i got better and then i was so good. Selling advertising went out to los angeles to sell advertising. So i did that. I'd pose man. I went to universal. I put down a loss on the bus up at elton john up on the buses and new york city. I was good but so you never die. You're not one of these guys are like only stand up you you kind of have one foot in the regular world to have a financial cushion to do what i wanted to do on a brand new lincoln to make that money in some advertising in rags saw handle money to do it and when i started i had a car. If you got a car in new york city all other comedians were he got a call. He got a car driving them around drive on tokyo. Drive around and Did you guys. Were you doing road. Gigs here too. I mean we'll look things around new jersey. An out on the island and jerry jerry and paul reiser in Miller yeah i long enough. I was only there for six months because of my personality. I had people crazy in standing ovation. So once you get to be that good killing it to sell killing him. Maybe i should move to the bottom of another level. So that's took me out to los angeles. How very miller you talked to him. I haven't talked awhile last time. We went down to to come into magical. He's doing okay after his accident. You know okay good so so you move out to comedy and to sell advertising. I moved to do advertising. And and i got really to come into comedy store. They let you in mitzi. Let you in hollywood jason. What happened at one of doing. I'm like mr big shit in new york comic strip of catch rather than star and the improv and good times. I'm doing renfro rafferty. Rub it on. yeah i was doing. I don't know what you did. But i was up to seven sets night. Sure yeah running around doing three clubs. He do the which is yeah. Yeah yeah running up and down up and down so you can become good material once you get your timing. You become good. Hey and you only have to do fifteen minutes keep repeating. It should get better right and then sometimes you do it so much. That don't do their job already. Yes my with my fucked up. On joke i read. It is yes was. I'll give it up doing it again three times. So but when. I got to california on what to the comics comedy store. Yeah and seventy eight seventy seven okay. Seventy seven. I went on to come come to show was closed. Head to the in. Westwood robin williams. Everybody's got david letterman. We're all on stage together. And i want dishes on monday night and then i killed yup and i walked off stage and i want to trying to get a little approval. Hide writing. I do for my cloud. Boy boy doubles like pam. Like damn come. I am doing well. I did just killed it now. You can't work club size and fuck her. The next day i called him for scott's yeah five spots for the week in. I knew she was crazy. She just told me. Last time i could not work club right. Yeah and i call on tuesday. I get five spots for the rest of the and worked by ever. And i'm wanting to guys that worked at the communist and worked with improv. Back in the day they didn't want you to work both so in seventy seven. The roster's was like you and letterman leno. They were bigger than me. A may maypole. Paul mooney mooney. Lame bouzid owner. So many good good all of those guys are out there there you know yeah really cool But but watching. Richard pryor workout. That was also right. Did you get to talk to him. Come on he's really like what you do realize but he was awesome. I saw him get thing. I learned about him. I saw him bomb so bad for three weeks. He is sean bomb to while you wouldn't you wouldn't see wouldn't give in like me like do something. Funny he bombs so badly service last album things. Sunset live on sunset. Hey they do multiple no. Can't do bomo talk and it was so bad for three weeks was going well. This wasn't going to work the fourth week. Go but at least it's a little better than last week. How weak you go six weeks ago. Let's get his coming together and about after four months. Go like this motherfucker gotta show live on sunset daughter so that was a great learning process to watch him. He signed build it from nothing. Just yeah bomb. So i'm kinda used to bomb every night. People didn't know what the hell he was doing. He had used to clear the room. You got. I got an old tape. I when i was a doorman at the store in eighty seven. So i spend a lot of time. Yeah i spent a lot of time. Doing sam's coke eighty noli back. Then you didn't get to know me that well because by the time. Eight five hundred tonight show god. I was gone. Ditches like show nineteen seventy nine and the next night. I was opening for natalie cold front of seventeen thousand people. That was the one you kind of. Did it tonight show. You're gone people hard you so that was it. So that was the gig right. Because you didn't have the comedy clubs yet. You had to open for for musical acts. Yes over another coal work. Work for diana ross george benson smokey robinson. Helen reddy paul anka. I was tom jones to five years of dying with tom. Jones a loved it. I loved it. Because then i didn't i was working with donald. Ross don't let disco air. Yeah and that was really something because he had like half fifty percent was gay and thing about the best in the world black audience. Jewish ordinance gay so so that was a mix of all tree so every night. I go out there and get like a standing ovation and got fired. Why because about ego attitudes. Even you mean you today if there's a gal on in front of you especially if we're here at lining if they get standing ovation you get the fuck. Yeah you know. But she's a singer. Yep when you get a stunning vision las vegas. That's an extra minute and a minute and a half off the clock. So they're like come on get after way out also she she she fired you or the hotel fire she did. She did smoke around the so she didn't fire yet as got fire last week and two weeks later she happy back and i was working for the for another year. Did she fire you to your face. No they call it. They go through the agent through to agent. Say something happened there. And then Tom jones sully down. Or it's come with me. And all hail oregon seventeen thousand people night when ms ross and shows were amazing. Reach out and touch. Somebody's hand a comedian. Get a chance to work audience like that. Yeah i love it and so one week. Diana ross was off and they asked me to come in with tom jones and this just dude. I did not. I know it was big shea stadium. We're working very hard. But the next night tom jones sixteen seventeen thousand people going. What the hell. It's a national oriented all ladies down punt on the web to the stage right and saw i got into with him an opening for him and caesar's palace and and they told me mr wallace It's gonna be pretty bad because the same five hundred ladies come to see tom. Jones urbani down front. So you'll have no you'll have no audience down frontman but you. You know those ladies were there every night the me and we did two shows a night in doing and alicia no. That's what learned taught me. I've got to do some more material. Rang up a little ideas like the chandeliers us all those beautiful chandeliers after paid for those little simple shit like that and people knew what you're talking about in the gambling. Tom jones's ladies taught you how to write new material. Well i knew how to write. I knew i had to do it. Was it was fun to write new material because yet new people coming in eighties change up latest and i learned from it and i had to do forty five minutes to i did not have the wrigley twenty minutes and everybody else had forty five four jones. Yes and he will be back. Stay sometime i mean. We became very close friends. And he he behind get your black ass off the stage. So but What was this learning process at. All i ever wanted to do was learn in what las vegas who wake you know looking back on other people that you work with. Who who who the best people. Who do you really like. I mean diana seems like she sounds a little difficult. Tom seems fun but difficult at first because she was having her divorce with the barrett gordy She was having and it was pretty big. Disco air orders. Fruit is pretty big and she ran the show. And this is all in vegas. You go on the road to know on the road. All over. America all over america and Quite life Start tom jones and he just turned out to be bent. When i got tom jones He paid me more money than dining. Halls 'cause i couldn't. I was not allowed to touch. My luggage was allowed to do anything. airplane And i sat right across from him on the plane. It was really good servicer. And then sometimes they make a mistake and and pay me in. The hotel will pay me. Also and i never said a damn word. You know tom. jones donna. Summer was great to work. With smokey robinson george benson great everybody. I work with with great to work. Because i demand so that was sort of. I guess. That's why it's interesting because guys like you know who wants to talk to To brad garret who is younger than you but but there is. There's a world of comics. That's the goal was to get the vegas. Yes at that time. Yes because like there wasn't You know when you started working. There wasn't some comedy club circuit. You open for musicians and then if you could get to vegas and get fifty dates a year. Whatever that was the gig fifty days a year. Excuse me friend. you're talking to me. okay. I know i. I'm sorry. I three hundred fifty dates a year. I was doing at least three hundred hundred a year because everybody like i said we were doing two shows tonight and every night and tom jones sometime did thirty four weeks a year just on the road all over granddaughter vegas joe through lake. Tahoe city radio city musical racetrax outdoors. Seventy thousand people just everywhere all of the local venues but see like the. I guess the thing is like so you know by the time comedy clubs came around. You are already dug into making a lot of money in the than the old school way but you never wanted to do tv. Never want the tv or nothing. Could you say that again. By the time comedy club came around enough. People knew me from the tour that i would bring those people into the comedy clubs and i wanted to. I say give me ninety percent of the door So that's how you did it. That's why i'll meet a lot of money. Because i had the tom john people had also the people from the tonight show at the from arsenio at audience coming from everywhere always a mixed audience. Black white young old and sold out. I would add show some time five zero day. Give me eighty five ninety percent of the doors. You did the tour deals. You invented the door deal. You get the drinks. i'll take. I'll take the cash. Yes yes yes. And so there were only the big clubs birmingham alabama lonzo joy to san francisco That would never gonna be fooled either way but for sure we were going to add shows when when i came to tell so that so when the comedy club explosion happened already built in audience. Because you bill. Yes yes i it. Plus the one that you could promote. I'm advertising entrepreneurial know how to go to the local radio station. I don't mind getting up at six o'clock in the morning radios. I had to learn to do if you had a choice of radio. Television in the mornings to attract an audience always do radio people watching on. Tv they're at home. They don't have jobs and everyone's listen the radio. Yes so i learn how to do that. And i enjoy. I love working. I just look what we do man. Come on my thing. Wanna i just love to be a blessing the greatest job and well and all i do is lie. I just i just love not now just make up shit. G can be president. That's the joke. I want to be the greatest bullshit in the world but trump is take him all right now. Well he's got to retire that joke. Yeah did you work. How much tv did you did you care about tv. No i wasn't under that all of this. It's like today. I'm not into television. Even though i have to television shows just turned on. Tv show with that turned out. I was writing ahead of show with jamie foxx leader after him lead role S- called daddy's stop embarrassing me. Yeah we shed on march thirteen. Because kobe and i wouldn't go back with net flicks. I wouldn't go back. Because i'm black wasn't a good time to fly. Yeah all of the pre existing conditions. A baby my blood pressure was borderline. And i decided. I don't wanna go back because you have to live in a hotel going back and forth. I made the right decision. And i was making tons of money paying me tons of money but I decided not to go back so that was a good. Tv show not have a new deal with a guy by the name of norman. Lear you've probably never heard of this guy. He's an older guy. Did a couple of ninety seven years old you know. I have a deal with him on this on the shelf right now so slowly transferring into television and movies because i know i'm a resident in las vegas. I work when i want work. I own my show in las vegas. We're talking about that later. But you didn't do any writing early on you. Just this is all new. All this i started. Let me put this. I did when i got nine hundred seventy seven. That's come on stage. And the producers were inside for the rip box show and then at the time they said we think you should We'd like you to come right on the red box show and i said oh i don't know i don't want i don't know anything about being a job as a writer. They said we know you can. Do you gotta do it. As i don't think so. And this sound kevin's craziest time. But they did tell me. Wall is thirty five hundred dollars a week. I said well. I can't come up with a little say so but i did that so i did right at. The show was only on for one year. It was not sanford and son. It was a show that was on after. What was it like working with red. No idea the show. I was on dave osborn saya. What was his name Officer done office or something like that. He was producer. Osborne he's got produced the an the smothers brothers show. We were searching right to redd foxx show in Someone california we'd ride to show. The show was shot at cbs. And it was it was on. Abc in the wanna do shit should at once due to your airs on abc einste- stein. That's albert brooks. His brother all done. Yeah yeah yeah unreal. Boise died last year and tessa guy. And i wish i could have worked. Love and riding riding is good. I i too right now. But i was not a good writer back so you never got to work with red. You wrote at one place and then they just do it. We'll go over and see him. Yeah we go. We go when we shot the show and then he knew me as a comic and so we. We did it that way. But i met a lot of people nice guy when he was very nice got but man did he do a lot of drugs drugs. That's how i met. Muhammad ali mohammed. Ali came to cbs and he walked straight into the said he walked straight to me. Because i'm his eyes and he says i knew gradients of all time to come. I'm good to go back and forth and it was good working for a lot of fun. So how did how does how does vegas work. So now because i know you like you had your own show there for a long time. Still got it i know. I don't like vega. So i don't go there but anytime i go there. I see you on a billboard. Yeah i am mobile. Las vegas than any hotel because i went into las vegas. Because you're you're an advertising. Because i'm who i knew how to i knew how to by four boards and make them give me six as you got all these boards out on the street that a closed on put me on them and trust me other people in las vegas will paula. My ron. guess what. I did a lot of things. I was very creative in las vegas People had one truck and the advertising goes up and down las vegas. I put five up your face on their that. The back the back to back to back and everybody was going. That's so stupid. Why would he put up by shorts back to back to back to back to back to back on live. Says you're talking about it. Yeah i remember you talking about and so what happened. When i got to las vegas About the shell. I only show. I never worked hotels. Who has what does that mean. What do you mean you bought. The show is called four walling red room right so plumbing goes eight hundred seats Overnight renta and it was tough. I didn't take any money for the first year. I put my money back out onto the streets. I walked every day to every hotel and shook every hand. Let them know you got a new show in town. Really wendy resists nineteen two thousand four to two thousand fourteen. So you work in the streets. You're going up to the guys the concierge. I'm george wallace. I got the show and yeah it is different. Come over and history tickets for you. Come over. I didn't give a damn where they sold the tickets as long as happy. That's why i have worked. Las vegas more shows than most people but definitely more shows any african american that includes red pox. Some davis junior lena. Horne don ross. Done more in las vegas than any other african african american entertainer so the show was so it wasn't the hotel didn't pay for it. You rented the space but you had abide by their time right. Yeah i took a o'clock spot. Because i thought people thought more people like to laugh at ten and that work also ahead i gone at eight i would have to compete against all of the other shows. Cirque du soleil all of those bigger shows and also decreased amount of shows at ten and people wanted to come out and people came from everywhere and also had a backing and radio. I forgot to tell you that i was doing radio. Nationwide radio with tom joyner so within one hundred mark across america so i had that following to to bring him i my my audience market and people will name so i built it out. After the first year it was just a gravy train After i it was pretty hard takes long to catch on you. Gotta get your niche right and aimed straight stand up straight up and then after the start to grow and i brought in other entertainers with me to have fun with and i was gonna crazy guy. I'm brought in. You never believe this. I don jennifer holliday and wore. These people were opening for me. I had so many other people on the first guy to bring in sly and the family stone after twenty. Five years of being on stage is after that night. He did like the grandma's and walked off with weird Mohawk the blonde mohawk. Yes you remember. Yeah i said. I want him because he was my favorite entertainer. When i was in college how did you know. I got him to come to las vegas. They had odd supported at one at that the sky will not chew up forty two one and he was late. Scared the shit out of me. And i was smart enough to know mark. I was smart enough to know like this guy is working for me. But i'm not old one. He's not gonna open for me right. That's his show. I'll open for him. Oh shit. I'm the one making the money you know. Yeah so So we did then brought an entertainer. I do fucked up to place man. It was capable were crying. He had been on stage and twenty four twenty five years. His kids were going see dead. It was it was so big that it was on the on the bills off sold in new york slam the famous las vegas. That's it's all documented. You can go online and picking up right now. You get george wallace with sliding fm. Las vegas he came out on stage and he does all songs. Like i said he was twenty minutes late. Some people walking on. I bullshit i know. He was because he never showed up on time when he was back in the day. College people walking known as a bose. You'll get the fuck outta. They were walking out but the few people that the people that dick stay out of the eight hundred only sold five hundred. Because i knew i had to promote give tickets away but he come out and he starts singing to get into it and he started saying if you only to stay and get into the other song dance higher and all of a sudden people were crying on top of the tables. It was stupid. He was only out there for twenty five minutes and they loved it and that was fine with me. That was fine with me. And i was on stage they'll slide a slide and this is so good. He went around from the back of the house to the front of house and he came down from the front of the house and came back on stage again and it was amazing. So i i. I love that. And all of this stuff documented. Maybe i should put it out. Some of the things i've done in in in las vegas and who else jennifer holliday. Like i said war and a group called A younger call mosaic. probably most. It's one of those new groups the kids things without music but then make them using saga group and and the the place became a talent show and they will come out with. It would be my opening act and have been on stage and i'll start giving away shit. I wanted to be the black oprah. I thought rich black lady. We should given away. Diamond gave away a car seat. Did this for ten years. Yeah i did it for ten years until one night suffering. Tonight komo states. We've been here long enough and we're going to close down this year so that was about four five years. Who's ed so which ended listen to each other. That's signed tell signed so you if you really look into like george on santo. That's actually pretty much me. I'm the one. I'm the one. That was his real roommate but thirteen years. You with him for thirteen years. Oh your wish department for thirteen years. One hundred eighty first street right in new york city. Why for so long well helmet among monning long. But you're both like you traveling around though right you weren't always there around. He wouldn't always making money as broke. Yeah the apartment and you you both you used it when you were in new york and then we will are quite a bit but not a lot. Yeah i was best man at his wedding hours. Children's joking too. And i'm the father his kids you know so we're pretty close but i wish everybody had a friend like jerry like i said if today i'm surprised he has interrupted. This call is just good to have a friend like that. you know. that's what i'm so blessed to have. My best friend is a number one man making money and accommodate. So i look at it like this mark. I'll take advantage of it and you know he got a boat together. Yarnell yacht you gotta get. I gotta get so we're just that close friendships for. I'm glad you guys have the same toys really. We've done some stupid stuff with the toys but and life is good. Comedy is good too. I don't know about you are you like. I can't wait to get back on stage. But i can't wait i'm i'm okay i've been You know i do. I do. I talked to a lot of people on this show and I've been doing the i the break. It hasn't been terrible. It's been terrifying. But it hasn't been terrible. Now wait what is. What's this book you you put out a book of your tweets on talking to you. You know the twitter world became so big. I'm like two years late. I started like two thousand eleven. Yeah and cornell jokes on those tweets slow online ramblings from and whatnot twit say bullshit but let's bull to it and what not what not become such an interesting part. What not is the biggest word. Well that means. I can do anything and what not so. It's not just not just tweets not tweaks online. Because they don't make sense to me to do this. One hundred forty characters right my jokes and not even structured let alone one hundred forty characters so little things like And i would have both well. Why should i do my jokes and give away to people very hit me. That well you know does five hundred million tweets per day and some of these people across the world didn't get to see me one on a show. Somebody's jokes or something and it became so successful and people like it. And it's like unlined ram here not do stupid stuff like the top nine shutouts to the top nine. Tell it to the top by bills in the world. Sales things like liberty bell by the bill. Can i go onto the how many other bails and but but little things in the book book is online and people are buying it like crazy. I'm already into my second printing both twin and you self published it. Yes i did. A coors and the quality of the book is so good and i'm doing stupid shit. Mark this book you got your eyes on here is i. hope. I put it up for the bathroom. You'd put reading bathroom no you. Don't read this the bathroom you can't. It's a great competent. But people buying the book sells one thousand nine hundred five but if you buy five hundred twenty dollars because i do stupid shit like that. Yeah people are falling for. I have a hard copy here. Which i should have sent you. Did you get a copy of for me. I did not. Oh my god This hardcover one hundred and forty. What happened mr promotion. Where's my fucking book. where's your peculiar. You'll get a book coming. I hope you get a chance to read busy. Keeps in someone's much books and shit. We'll get to read everything i know. I know that's true. That's true but you should get one because this is a good book. I'm getting ready to go into my second book called mobile to it. But what i really wanted to write a book about Margaret how fucked up my life. That's the book i wanted to write. Black yeah i wanted to write a book. I should have done it six months ago. How trump fucked up. My you know that guy. let's let's talk about. Oh my. I can't believe we haven't talked about yesterday. Was like a relief. Like the black people i was born again. God i don't get they. Distrust of my show of his crazy for everybody up felt so good yeah. I don't know what binders today but yesterday was so good. I can walk and circus peanuts. That orange booking i just he missed a my life romantically so financially so mentally so relationship wise my family. I can't go visit. My family really screwed up my life. And i've been like a confined here in in this condo in atlanta since march. And i do you ever know that guy. Did you ever work at his hotel. Did you ever meet him. I stayed in his hotel window. Got married he. Everybody's stated his hotel. I don't like i had a chance to meet him. One time when Some friends of mine were on his show apprentice prentice and i just never liked him and i just because i because i'm from new york. I live in new york. And i know you know bullshitters. I didn't i did coenen once. And he was on with me and the segment producer. Asked me if i wanted to meet him. And i said no no magician friends name out in las vegas. The two guys penn and teller. Tell us i went to support them. In new york city at the finals trump. Come in and you want to talk. No no you wanna shake hands. And now florida's most fucked up state in america right. Yeah and now. This is down even more fucked. Yeah yeah he's he's the king of he's the king of florida. They don't want him out so they got to get rid of the. It's nice to have my far back. It was good talking to george. Did we do anything play anything mark. Thank you for having me on the show. I love talking to you. I i want you to call jerry seinfeld and tell them what a good time we had actually until you. Hello i know tell him hello. I'm serious okay. Okay yeah we me and jerry had. We had a nice We had nice Meeting of the minds. Me and jerry meeting. I know everything comes down. Sesame i thank you for having no what Emma been on what you before. Now i heard so much about you. And i know you're so great and And i learned from guys like you. You don't know that. I watch another comedian learning from younger comedians than myself. Oh yeah yeah because you guys. Are you know. I'm old school but you guys have to show you. I'm still kicking ass. I have to prove myself. Watch you everything lands man. you're punching away fuck around. If it's all coming down that might be. I'm trying to change. Because when i go and says i do go up there to work i do go kick ass. Yeah i worked. I talked too fast. And i needed calm down and just do half the material so what i'm gonna do when i do go back mark so much new material down yet goes. I'm gonna slow now. I'm going to be a new me on talk about some things that i didn't get a chance to talk about last year and i mean it sounds like you'll be loaded you'll be you'll be ready to go when this shit lifts and so i keep saying i'm gonna have to have a new show but i'm gonna be ready to go and what i'm also gonna do. Mark some jokes. I did thirty years ago. That the young kids are maybe nobody remember. I'm gonna make as new jokes. They will know the difference. Why not time to recycle those fuckers recycled. Yeah because i did a joke. I got lots of jokes. Okay bring back. But i got some new stuff. I enjoy doing the new jokes about that too. Like there was a lot of jokes that i did before anybody knew who i was. That were great jokes and no one knows them. All you need to do is be funny. You delivered at joe. And that's what they're gonna remember you i if they leave on. That guy was hilarious. That's okay and if they leave going like. I hope that guys okay. That's okay as long as they don't say he was pretty funny like i don't remember anything. He said he's pretty funny. You could throw me. You're one of the best buddy. It's great talking to you. I wish you the best healthy you gotta deal. I'm going to stay healthy do smart. I'm going to stay home. And i'm going to stay black. How about that. I okay. I believe you take it easy church. God bless you man see you there you go the book. Go look at his twitter feed. The book is Twitter and whatnot at george wallace dot net. So all right. Take care of yourselves seriously. Try to understand that. Most of us are in some sort of fairly deep. Ptsd and it's gonna take a bit little daunting the little weird. There's a space to it to darkness to it's still and also darkness to the reality we're living in. 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Show 7a  "Magic of Hollywood" Redux with Larry Wilson

Standup Comedy "Your Host and MC"

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Show 7a "Magic of Hollywood" Redux with Larry Wilson

"This is another episode of standup comedy. Your host and mc celebrating forty plus years on the fringe of show business stories interviews and comedy sets from the famous and not so famous. Here's your host and emcee scott at words. Hi and welcome to this post christmas. Show here at the podcast crew. We hope y'all had a wonderful family christmas and we're all looking forward to a much better two thousand and twenty one and get this past year behind us. Hey i'm going to be offer a couple weeks so this week and next week. What i'm doing is featuring some of the early podcasts. That a lot of people haven't heard but that are very good in fact the one. That's coming up right now. Was the first interview show i did. It is my wife's favorite and it features a really talented comic magician in fact he was magician of the year recently this week and next week they'll be some repeat shows from early in the podcast history and then we'll be back with new shows in january so i hope you enjoy this here comes this week's special re release of my seventh show. The magic of hollywood enjoy. Hey welcome boys and girls. We have another great show for you this week. I am so excited. Sitting in front of me is one of my oldest friends and entertainment. He's not only a world class magician but he's very funny guy so he's a comic magician and he's been working at Clubs for years in fact we still. We just did a gig just a few months ago but ladies and gentlemen. Please make him feel welcome. It's larry wilson funders response was very flattering. Is so great to have you here in this elaborate studio. I'm using you But ladies and gentlemen. Larry wilson magician of the year. Very very funny guy. But we're talking about When we first met so let's start off in a introduce our audience to how you came about working for me. Do you remember. I remember very clearly of because I'm one of the few people entertainment who doesn't use any drugs or alcohol so have very clear memories of all these things. You're the one. I am one guy. I am the one and only guy. No there's a few is who i remember. You know squad remarkable the guys who are serious the guys who take it seriously. It professionals and i always That we were just talking appreciated working with but i think trade professional i. I can't tell you the exact year. Although i measure the time. Line in ex-girlfriends so different way. That's right we'll so i can remember it now so i can think of. It must've been about nine hundred seventy nine. Would that be right. Well i opened in one thousand nine hundred eighty so hopefully right about nineteen eighty one. Just the beginning was in the delta queen did work the original. I worked original room a couple of times. I worked there because the fantastic the illustrious the esteemed george wallace I think called you and said oh. Yeah you know you should have got. Larry wilson i gotta tell you i've already told the story a couple of times and earlier podcast but i was so blessed that when i first got into the business i visited an open mike at the comedy store in westwood which is no longer there. Dave was one of the acts we got to talking. He introduced me to bob. Sagging the two of them introduced me to george wallace and it was george wallace who ended up being my very first headliner in august nineteen eighty and he was so nice he took the time to answer all my questions about how to run a club how to treat the comics and introduced me to great entertainers like you. He's the greatest george walls. The greatest and i had met george just from working at clubs in los angeles. he was always very nice to me. And great entertainer. That was actually had his own show in vegas up until just less last year. Oh i didn't realize he's taken. He was performing at the flamingo. Right over a decade but just gave up the show in the theater the about six months ago. I didn't realize well george. Consistently i had a bunch of friends who worked at showtime cable and i remember them telling me at one time. They were editing. This comedy competition that had taken place in new york and they said you should really see these. Two guys. Were the two finalists of kind of george wallace. And another guy named Jerry seinfeld and they said they're both really really funny and of course i watch it got. These guys are really funny and an amazing thing happened. Well they were shooting. In the middle of georgia's set. There was a power outage. No everything went black wa recording audio but no picture and they kept thinking will come on in the second and so george does like five minutes in the dark and the loss of grow. It goes on the funnier gets and then finally georgia's just silent for like a long stretch. And then he says now when the lights come on everyone yells surprise. I brought the house down destroyed hilarious. I thought what incredible presence of mind in this clearly. You know you're taping for television. The whole thing's been disrupted. That is a great story. Totally pro all the years of owning the clubs. And i had three of them. We only had a couple of blackouts or power outages. And i remember twice doing shows. We gave people in the audience flashlights. The comics and there was no sound system with just project and get their act out there. But that's a great story about words especially for a tv. Show my god so so anyway. It's because of george walls and george wallace a. I mean he didn't even say anything to me about it. You called me up and said George wallace said to you really good. We should hire you. And i said well thank you very much and so i came up as the middle act was interesting i was. I'm going to interrupt briefly. Just tell the audience it. In the very beginning. I was copping clubs that were popular already in. La like the comedy magic club. And so the very first. I'd say six eight months of the shows. I had always had a magician or ventriloquist some creative act like that sandwiched her book by standups and i thought that brought a little bit more entertainment variety to the show. So that explains why you were at feature act because you being a member regular headliners. Well here's what's funny about that. First time i came up we're in the delta queen which is essentially like a closet in this restaurant but very nice but it was like some side room or banquet room or something. It was like a big deal and it was packed. Now i all great debt to the guy who was the headliner but i will not name him remember very clearly who it was but i will not name him because i don't ever want to embarrass anyone but it's interesting. He was one of those. La guys who. I think is very talented but wasn't really sure what he wanted to do. It's not clear if he wanted to do. Stand up or you wanted to be a writer. Wanted to be an actor. More talking earlier. About ed solomon was used to come up and perform and an amazing writer but he could not perform his way out of a paper bag and i had several. Sit down with them saying you know you had to become a writer of course. Now he's a multimillionaire world famous writer right of movies and tv. But so that's a great example. So what you're about to say. Let me project. Yes the you were funnier in so we switched positions. Dono and never have occurred to me. I've done that well. I'm sure i've heard of such a thing happening. But i think he just you know i'm very high energy and i think he was more laid back and i think he also. You know a lot of my early training. I don't know where some of this came from. I think from me studying performers that. I admired reading along and listening to people so my understanding was you had to adapt to every audience over. Yeah but there are some people especially this was in. La thing there were guys who killed in l. a. Killed at the comedy store killed at the improv but died on the road because their stuff was either to hip or too edgy. Or or whatever it was you would see that a lot with ex coming up from new york definitely definitely a different edge to a new york comic or an east coast comic and west coast comic. I know that sounds weird but it was true right. And then you get out of the metropolitan areas and you get to playing where you're in sacramento and it's still a great audience. That people wanna be entertained. But they're just normal people right what it is and somehow it never occurred to me that you should make your act all about just pleasing the people in new york or la now. Maybe that's a brilliant strategy because some friends of mine who've done that have become enormously successful. Obviously but i didn't really think about that. I just thought oh you have to. You can't do. I mean it's very funny. When first met jay leno who's also very very nice to me. I work with jail but leno remember complimenting me after the first time he saw me said you know they're very clever view the do your act is clean and i said oh thank you but i was thinking what do you mean. Of course. it has to be clean. Like i didn't think you could go out and and use four letter word. I mean i just thought no one will hire you. What's interesting is back in the eighties and nineties. Your goal was to get on tv and it always cracked because some of these guys cannot get through a set without you know ten or twelve f bombs the guys that made it on tv and did the tonight show jerry. Seinfeld jay leno dana. Carvey garry shandling. They work clean. Of course now there are some that could walk the fence. Bob sag saggy was one of the guys that was one of the dirtiest comic ever hear funny and funny and then he ends up on tv. And as clean as could be cleaner than clean as like america's dad on that. We'll also tell you i i met. Oh allen yeah i i met alan in detroit was working club. They're called the comedy castle. Or you know what wealth and frequently. When i would come into these places they go. You know there's a local guys really got to meet him and frequently. I would think okay. And then they would be terrible right normally but this they've talked about. Oh this guy. Tim also came in and he killed. He was so great but a lot of people. Don't realize how filthy oh filthy and it came a baptist and he was very friendly. We're talking. I said man. I said you have everything you need man. You could be huge star. I said you know if you're interested interested of course in doing television you have to try and clean that stuff up and he just exploded he said. I don't wanna do television. I don't have any interest in that man. I'm gonna be the greatest club comic here in the detroit area. And i would just like okay. Okay take it easy just so funny how. That was his beginning in how we ended up. But and i'm sure there's other acts. I know some really funny people that never got famous because they were dirty and they couldn't adjust a bob saying it was one of the best doing both and apparently tim allen was able to your house of course but they learned to develop clean material because they wanted to do the carson show or or something merv griffin. And be able to do that. I wanna tell a quick story and then we we gotta get back to How you got started stuff. I know we're going off on tangents but we were talking about middle acts and headliners in how i always had magicians. So and you'll get a kick out of this because it involves goldfinger and dove love castle. And i see goldfinger and dove and an amazing act and i go backstage. After i introduced myself i go look love to have you up to the club and booked them like six weeks out and these guys are world class magician team and they come up and we have our first show on tuesday night and we have an opening act fee tracked and here comes goldfinger and dove and they do the same exact beautiful act. It lasts fifteen minutes. Well i'm like freaking out because headliners are normally good for forty five minutes to an hour. That's what's budgeted in the show to entertain the audience and they get done. Go thank you good night. And i'm literally in the bar. I'm running up. And i grabbed the feature and i go go back up and do some more time because these people paid for to our show right so what we did is starting the second night. They were the middle act but they were getting headliner. Pay but it was a a great lesson for me because whenever you hire somebody. Hey by the way. How much time can you do. We'll because a variety acts in general come from a tradition whether thinking. Oh you're going to be in a review show where you do eight or nine minutes. Or you're going to be on ed sullivan show. You'll do three minutes or for the idea was and they were there. Were variety x one of my favorite of all time guy named sammy king. I don't know him he. He's unbelievable his act is so brilliantly structured. it's like a pyramid. It's just nine minutes. The first four and a half minutes is going up to the top of the pyramid. There's a lot of jokes. He has a parrot named francisco and the parents finding a lot of jobs. But you don't realize what it's really doing it. The midpoint the exact midpoint he and the parrot get into an argument and he puts the pared back in its cage and covers the second half. Is him trying to play guitar of flamenco guitar. But the parrot keeps interrupting and heckling him except we don't see the parent that's hilarious. Hear the parents but the character was so strong and he looks over at the cage when the period interrupts him and says please his entire second half they act is like a bobsled going downhill. Where the first half setup up. All these call backs and the anyways genius so hired sammy when i was producing the show at one point to end you know. I said I knew that he didn't do a lot of time. But i just said. I said sam you see you know. I have all the people the comedy. Ventriloquist comedy juggler comedy magician. I said we're all doing like fifteen minutes set. i said. Can you do longer than nine. Minutes i said. Can you stretch it. He goes yeah yeah he said i could stretch to ten. He was basically gonna talk slave to ten. He goes yeah he goes but you know what it's better at nine and so i said you know let's stick with not just stick with well. I learned my lesson. We we never ended up boogie goldfinger and again because they were expensive world class magicians campaign. That kind of money for a fifteen minute set but it was interesting because for the audience out there they would know this that in the comedy world. Different than what you're talking about the vaudeville show. Tv and radio where you have short segments. We were always filling a two hour show right between three acts and so you had to balance between how much time the emc did which should be. Just a few minutes wasn't in my case An opening act. That might do ten minutes feature act as maybe twenty and then the headliner would cover between forty in an hour and that was pretty standard in the stand up world in the comedy club world. But that's really totally different than all the other types of entertainment that you might do and at the time i didn't even realize it was that different but it makes total sense now. Oh yeah yeah so well. Here's what's so funny scott so like so many things that have happened in my career. It was all serendipity. I didn't know what was going on. I had no clue. I just thought this is really fun. And as long as it continues. I'm going to go along for the ride. Right so george wallace. I'm meet him. He's nice enough to call you. So i get bored so come up. The headliner is having trouble following me. I wouldn't say anything about it. I didn't want him to feel awkward or bad. That's why won't say who it was but you would never have occurred to me. Go to you and say you should. You came to me and said we'd like to bring you back as a headliner. And i thought because i'm a genius and i recognize genius. Obviously my attitudes okay. Yeah i mean when. I think of all the people who would not have done. That would've thought. Oh you know. How can i exploit this or how can right. Oh you mean you is a lo- lesser pay or whatever. I was all about the quality of the show. One of the reasons. I don't have money is i never was trying to make a buck up the show. I was really in the industry for my love of the industry of the comedy world. Well which sounds ridiculous. obviously i made money in. The nineties wasn't gouging. The door obvious. That's why you had so much success. I remember talking with you in the beginning. And i was so impressed that you and bob had decided to open this comedy club because you really like stand up comedy and i thought that's a weird idea wasn't smart business wise but we certainly had a good time. What else are we gonna do. I mean in the final analysis. I'm here with you today because of our relationship because we have an authentic bond right so is that somehow less valuable now. And i think that's all there is is connections. We have. I think that's all we have. I think it's interesting that you point that out. Because one of the big lessons i learned from working with george wallace's first few weeks and people like bob sagging dave korea was Treat comics well. Don't pay him don't expect you know there's people are gonna take advantage and stuff but treat them respectfully and you'll get that back and that was always kind of my mantra in the early days. So let's let's back up a little bit. When did you start doing magic. Oh i guess. When i was very small and it's funny i guess because people sometimes will ask me they think all was your father of No my father. Nobody in my family had anything to do is show business. They were horrified. But i remember my father must have shown me some little magic trick. When i was a kid and then i just did it. I think a lot of kids get interested in magic. You know eight nine ten years old. But i never thought of doing it. So what was your first show. We like doing the kid shows or high school or college. That you kinda a public set. No i'll tell you it's funny i just for fun. I in southern california in los angeles. A friend of mine took me to the renaissance fair. I don't go to those. Yeah and so somebody said oh you could do this leary and i thought. Oh that'll be fun. So i started just as a street performer. Passing the hat. And i was at normally successful and it was really interesting training because i didn't have any pretensions. No it is. I just wanna have fun and also saw that when the audience was really entertained. I got more money in the hat. So is that did that lead to the comedy joining the magic because not every magician is funny right well. I couldn't i couldn't separate them ever from the beginning. Obviously you started off kind of as a comic magician. We'll because to me the idea of being a magician. You're saying i have supernatural power. That's already funny right. But then you say i'm going to demonstrate is supernatural powers by changing this red scarf into blue-sky right now if you had supernatural powers is that would you be using them for. It's already inherently absurd the idea. It's obviously a theatrical conceit saying. I have supernatural power so to me. That's already funny character. And that's what i played on stage. All these years and still do is the character who really thinks that he can convince the audience of his supernatural ability. It always cracks me up in some guys played on it and other guys were like dead serious. Magicians where they're changing one dollar bill into a twenty dollar bill in trying to. Wow the audience like this is real. Hello if i could do this. I wouldn't be here entertaining you. Why would i be. I be at home changing all these ones and of course you know. It's just anyway that to me is already funny. And so i could never ever do it straight. I could never ever do it as straight magic and so So i was doing this Renaissance fairs but just for fun. I never took that seriously. I was Then i went to uc santa cruz. Where i got a degree in filmmaking. I not know that. Yeah how cool. And that was always. My love is filmmaking and storytelling. Which of course is interesting. Because it's what i do that. Similar to a patter which it's called. Magicians doing his his act is. There's what's called patter which is description of the act basically but it's a story if you're doing it right but there's even more than that when you start to break film down you realize it's just like magic. Oh interests it's just like magic when we when you're editing and you see someone in a wide shot reach for something on the shelf and then we cut to a close up we see. Oh it's a coin. They're picking up right well. That's exactly like a magician. You have a greater advantage in film. Because i can focus your attention. But it's about directing your attention to what i want you to see you control what the audience you know how in film we do a we do a cut away and walks through the door and then we cut to the other side of them come in well it doesn't mean the doorways the same location right right. It's exactly like magic and it's no surprise that serves interesting. Great filmmakers like orson welles huge magic fan interest but it does make sense. What you're saying is i mean. There's the term movie. Magic for a reason will the first magicians Starting up the first. Magicians but the first filmmakers george me as frenchman filmmaker in paris. He was a stage magician. I saw a tv special about him. didn't do the movie man in the moon. Yes yeah and that was all tricks. Well we'll scorsese's films yes scorsese's film. Hugo is about george malays and his origins and he realized it's typical of magicians. He just saw this film medium as a way to do his magic act. Better you know you can do all these tricks. You could shoot him walking onstage. Then stop the camera. Move someone off. Start the camera and they would appear to disappear in the film right exactly so all these. There's a huge huge history film of affects artists. Who are also magician that razi. Oh yeah and it makes perfect sense. And i didn't know he had a degree in that in. Santa cruz is a wonderful university. And so you were already performing well. But i stopped performing. Oh when i went to college. Because i was serious about filmmaking so i get out of santa cruz i come back to la. Everyone's just graduated from film school. That's true in la. There's no jobs. I mean. I have all these friends who very talented. We're all fighting for jobs. They don't get paid. They're fighting for these jobs. We work for. And i'm thinking. How am i supposed to support myself. I'm working for free in the midst of all of this. I get a job on a low budget film. I'm getting paid one hundred and seventy five a week working six days a week. Sixteen hours a day. I thought i thought i was killing it. Because i had all these friends who are working for nothing right but after a couple of weeks i mean i was pretty fried by this right and i ran into someone who said oh. Hey how you doing. What's going on. I said well. I'm doing all this d do magic anymore. I was like oh no no no no you just filmmaking. They said oh. That's too bad. I said once my parents are going to have a party. They're gonna hire a magician. I just thought you said we'll hold on a second. I said what what would they pay you said. I don't know six seven hundred. I said i could do that. He said oh really. I said your course. Of course i can go home again all my stuff. I sort of brush up on stuff. I go to this party to my staunch -ment everyone loved it. And then people ask me for my business card. I said you know. I just ran out of cards but i'm going to write my name and number on this napkin for suddenly. I'm doing all these parties. Thought larry crate then at one of these parties. Someone says would you like to be on tv. I said what do you mean this on. I'm the talent director for i. Don't remember what it was merv griffin. Mike douglas dinosaurs. Something one of the dollar show. And i said will would. I get paid off. Course you get paid. I said i'll do right so i do that. Show a couple of days later. Get a call from someone else. That goes you know. My brother-in-law is a talent coordinator for that show. You just did. They said you did really well. And you really nice and easy to work. With and again it wouldn't occur to me to not be professional or not. Be nice or not you know. I'm going to interrupt you just to say that. I've known you a long time and you are one of the most driven high energy car salesman of the entertainment industry. I mean you really you get on stage. You're on and you have a dynamic personality and what's interesting in hearing how you got started. Is you kind of just fell into things passed as opposed to now where you're really driven. I mean all the years. I've known you you were out there getting the gigs and selling yourself so to hear that this is how you started is fascinating. No idea what i was doing. Scott i have no clue and so all these i mean most people start out in clubs workup to television. I sort of started in television. And all these people who knew each other were referring me to each other doing all these tv shows and so it's i have a totally different perspective on all of it that's fascinating i mean it's crazy idea will also because my background i think because of film and stuff like that all of it. I'm looking at it as a theatrical experience and nowadays there seems to be something else going on. That's different that. I'm not yet familiar. But you did it right and one of the things that i think helped you whether you knew it or not. And i'm not sure what point you decided to become this character. Larry wilson the magician but you had an iconic look with the white tuxedo. The hair was perfect. I mean you were on like i said and whether it was television or a comedy club stage the audience knew that one year professional to you had the look and then like i said you had the energy in the i call it salesmanship but like you coulda sold refrigerator to an eskimo as they would say we'll have the powder the talk i always again. I looked to show business. Icons i would read about these people and i think of a james cagney who said you should always be dressed a little better than the audience. Oh that's great. i've never heard. Yeah and so. I thought i of course this makes sense. So i that white tuxedo. I had purchased at the mgm auction. There was a rack of them. There must have been fifty of them. And i remember the time friend of mine. Said you're crazy. Why would you buy this. I said i don't know just seems like it's fun right but it was very expensive. Scott it costs seven dollar fence. You're you're crazy you're throwing seven dollars more than one. Well there's now been like eighteen or nineteen hundred. Because i had the original one. I bought must have been forty years old when i bought it but it was beautifully mad and i were just as a as a laugh because somebody at one point said. Oh we really went to talks. Said this wasn't a persona you picked no those that and of course. I didn't have any shoes to go with the white sox. So i just wore my white adidas and then the first time i perform some came up and said it's so brilliant of you. The tuxedo with tennis shoes. You're showing always thought that was cool. Of course people said oh the juxtaposition of modern versus they interpret all these things that i'd say because you i said yeah i'm really i'm genius. Aren't i right but but the look of me with the hair and beard. That was very intentional. Because i thought the character. I'm playing is supposed to look like a magician and it really worked now. Do remember what year you started wearing the tux because that is the character that was merv griffin the donna. That was sure show before any of the stuff that was doing these private parties. While i probably just you stayed with. Oh yeah because this day. I still of course because it's become a very clear trademark that you know when when you and i were doing this. The rule of thumb was you had to be on television. Like twenty or thirty times before people would remember your name now with the inundation of media. I don't know how many times you have to appear before people before they remember your name. I don't know it really is a different world What was your leading into statement. That i could make. Is that in the show. Business than eighty s in the ninety s. You're correct you could do. A bunch of those other shows. Merv griffin is a great example. If you did them enough you became a household name and then it changed to win if you did one tonight show with carson as the host and you rocked it. Yes you were an overnight celebrity. Yes but then in the nineties that kind of faded and for some reason letterman didn't like having comics on probably because he was a comic and lenovo didn't really support comedy when he was running the tonight show so it shifted to where it took a lot of little those then it was wow if you've got carson you were made and then it went back to you could do these shows and nobody will ever really remember because there's so much going. Oh my god. I mean i can tell you this. I see stuff posted on youtube. That i didn't put up of me of shows. I don't remember doing so. They're all but do remember seeing johnny yune on the tonight show yes. I remembered as if it were yesterday. And i would not know that name any other way johnny. Yune first korean comic to appear on the tonight show goes on kills. I mean just destroyed them. Carson's going crazy six weeks later. I see john unions name on the marquee at the sands in vegas slow. That's what it was in those days you went on carson and killed just took one shot that was it well and we know lots of people. garry shandling seinfeld. That went on and had those moments that changed their lives but they even those guys had to keep performing. Oh yeah you know but it's a different world and so i guess what made me think of that was i. Don't always expect people remember my name but they certainly remember the white tux. The and the beard in hair they conic. Let's transition a little bit one of the things that made you who you are was not only. You're terrific magician and you can do both close up stage acts and i know that you do huge stage productions in reno. Tahoe and vegas so. I've seen you from staged three foot by three foot square all the way up to a huge theatrical performance but the comedy is always worked for you. Can you share with the audience. Since we're kind of a comedy podcast about standup some of the early bits. And there's ones that i mentioned to you before we went on the air that we always remember. But maybe you share a couple you see. It's complicated because to me. I would write comedy. I would sometimes right. Stand up material that i would do on stage just for fun because i wanted to try it out but the stuff that i like. The best really had to do where it came. Organically from the magic. That i was doing presided somebody but but what you're saying is you know it's funny. I wrote a maybe thirty minutes of stand up that i would do on stage. Sometimes i'd almost be my own opening. Act oh where. I would use that because when i was traveling a lot i found that when i was traveling specially through the south. I could make fun of where i was from. I'd say oh. I'm from los angeles and immediately. They would respond to that going. Yeah you seem different. And so then i could just tell them things about where i was from and that was hysterical to them and a lot of it. What we're jokes. I was telling them true. Stop for example. You flew around in the south and what airline ozark air. I don't think they're around anymore. And i just told them i said you know. There's all these things in the south. That are new to me and i think maybe some comics common would try to make fun of people in the south. Which of course doesn't make sense to me. But instead i would embrace them say. I'm learning all this new stuff. But i never flown on this airline ozark and you know i had the ticket in my pocket there. You could read ozark. I went into the bathroom to wash my hands. I looked up in the mir and there was reversed crazy thought. I want to be on craze. Oh and so. That's not that whole larisa. Job but in the stealth. Oh my god they thought because one was saying stuff about them known was relating. Talk about said you know. It's hard for me to understand. Sometimes when you speak. Because i can tell everyone's really friendly there smiling but it just sounds like they've taken all the continents outta the alf they just. I'm being dip thong to death by you people. But they're lovely people. I said but sometimes they offer me things. I don't know what they are. You know and a famous treat your known for so so you're flying around the south on crazy. Oh airlines and you're you're introduced to this new treat tells about this well because they said i was at some place in a hate at a restaurant and this woman said oh. Would you like a moon pie. And i thought i don't know what that is a moon pie. And she said oh it just like a goo goo and i said google i don't i don't know you know and again these are. These are simple jokes. It's like in the whether or not jokes in the sense of a setup and a punch right right you're experiencing right something in the south. It always works. It's one of the bits that we've never forgotten the airlines in moon pie. One was the way you expressed it to that we'd never californians and never heard a moon pie or goo goo. It's also funny. I think it because i approached it theatrically were. I wasn't just transmitting this information. I was really a performing a theatrically. Like you've felt like this is larry's confusion you know. I i really. I think i gave the idea of how weird it felt to me to be. A stranger in a strange land also leads me to explain to the audience that one of the really great talents and why some of these comics become actors. Is it and you were doing. This naturally was that you're telling me stories like it just happened and the audience doesn't know that you've been telling that same story every show for you. Know three hundred sixty five days on stage but we're able to sell it like oh by the way. I was just on the south and had a moon pie. You put your finger right on and scott again. This is why. I think it was not my intention but it clearly. In retrospect is sort of what makes me different than some of these other performance. Because i was approaching it theatrically. I became very good friends with carl. Maldon the academy award winning actor and he was every single performance he. Did you know streetcar named desire on the waterfront and on and on i mean the guy's dramatic brilliant brilliant and one time i said to him. I said i can't take it anymore. I keep watching these films every time. You're different every time you're great. I can't see what you're doing can you. He said i don't know what you mean. I said what are you doing. He said oh well. I'm just learning the material. So well that i don't have to think about that. I can just so he really studied character and then it became natural so it wasn't like even acting it was real and then after he passed away his daughter showed me this copy of the script of one of his and on the right side. Is the script page in. The left is usually blank left side every single page covered in handwritten notes about every single line of what's going on. I remember one time. I asked him. I said can you tell in good actors and bad actors. And he said oh. Yeah sure i said really. I said how do you tell you said well said a good actor even if you know carl had done all this work for years on broadway right he said even if you're in a broadway show doing eight performances a week for years. They're listening to you as if they've never heard what you're about to say as if they're thinking how do i process. What is they said. A bad actor is just thinking. When will it be my turn to speak so huge difference right when you talk about saying to the audience like oh. I just thought of this. Every single performance is oh. You know what i just thought of this right and to the audience. It's the first time so that's a legitimate conversation. Of course it is but it's also this is what theater is. I don't know if stand up is really theater. I think it should be. But that's what theaters we when we see hamlet. We don't seriously believe the person on stage is a danish prince right. Because if he was he'd be speaking danish wouldn't be speaking english but the theatrical concede we suspend our disbelief. You know that's very well put well. you know. We're talking about communication here. That leads us to what you're doing now so i've already explained to the audience. Larry wilson's not only very successful comedy magician. That's worked television in stages of all sizes for decades. But just recently you've taken some of what you've learned about communication and started kind of a side project. It's really more than a side project business. Well let's tell the audience about kind of taking over my life a few years ago after performance a guy came up and introduced himself. names l. Oppenheim is the professor. The ford professor of engineering at mit. And he said you know you're really really good communicator. Msn oh thank you he said could i. Could i hire you to come to. Mit and teach our graduate students to improve their communications. I said sure. Of course it's a compliment right. There was a lovely thing now. I thought great. So i came and did this presentation for mit. They were fantastic. They're brilliant but they didn't have great communication skills and there was so enthusiastic and afterwards a professor oppenheim said to me. He said you know what you're a great entertainer but this is what you should really be doing now. And i said are you serious. He said yeah that had to be kind of interesting to hear as lifelong entertainer. Which you know you've hone your craft to the level that of excellence that it is and then being told well. Yeah that's okay but you should be doing this well. He it was mind blowing because he said he said. You're not even aware. I think that you illustrated so many of the techniques or teaching with stories about show business icons you learned this from. I said well. Yeah you know. I work with people like sammy. Davis junior and margaret and you know It goes on and on and on all these people and so many academy award winning people and the biggest stars in the world learn everyone. I pay attention to every single smart. He said you don't realize what you're doing is so interesting. He said because you're not trying to teach people to be talented. I said well no. I don't know how to teach. He said you're teaching them. Technique said will yeah technique is duplicated can transfer technique to anyone. If you speak. English doesn't have to be your first language but if you speak english i can teach anyone to communicate better and more effectively and that led to this development of thing. I now call wilson method training. I do training for corporate events for a half day for big companies. I do a very intensive Day boot camp. But that's a very small because it's very personalized coaching. It's limited just ten people but that will mostly are individuals although some people from some companies now called me recently because i think they want their exacts to come to that and then i've also just completed a online like a masterclass training online. So that people who cannot travel to. Wherever i am or something like that and this and you can find all this on your website. Www dot wilson method dark com. And so i got to ask so when you do. These presentations yeah. Is it in. A white tux. No no it's very very different than your show performance. Very jarring for people who know me as the white tux guy. Because i dress lack of professional. Lena suit a dark suit and tie and into the next question asks. I don't do any magic. Of course. Because i want to emphasize i wanna make it really clear to people who are training with me. I don't want to do anything that you think will. I could never do that right. Like magic you know teaching magic which you could probably do sure is not what we're trying to get accomplished. We're trying to teach communicate back which is not as physically oriented right right. Well i'll tell you. I'll give you an example here. One of is just a. There's so many it's terrifying. I started to put together a clause of photos of famous people. I've work with. And when dr like seventy or eighty. I thought this is a lot of people. And each one of us. Distinct lesson of classic. A tenant of wilson method. I learned from hugh hefner. I was a girl. I knew took me to a party at the playboy mansion many years. Yes crowded party. Fantastic very exciting. You know and she said oh. I really want you to meet half and i thought you know what doesn't wanna meet. She said no no. He's great you'll love him. And i thought okay all right. So she drags me over and he says oh hi. Debbie has been telling me about you. And i said oh. It's really nice to meet you. He says She says you just graduated from college. And i said yeah. And he says. What was your major. And i said filmmaking and he said oh do you like film noir and it's a genre of black i said i love film walk. He said. do you like the bad and the beautiful. I said you mean the greatest film noir ever made he said. Isn't it incredible. I said yes he said isn't gloria grahame. The most luminous woman you've ever seen on. I said yes yes i did. Now tell me something have. Why didn't she become a big star. He said well. I think she didn't look like big of the time. Like rita hayworth you know sort of had a different shape face and she was blonde and her is you know i said but anyway next thing i know scott. I'm standing in the middle of this party. Talking to him for like forty minutes about film and i suddenly realized all these people are crowded around looking like they like to ring my neck but right and so i said you know what i'm sorry mean to monopolize your time. I said but this is fantastic. And i want to thank you for inviting me. The party is great. Great to meet you. and thanks. And then i disengage myself. I walked away. And i thought oh. I understand what this guy's had such incredible success with women. I said i get it totally. Because he's actively listening is engaged but it's but there's a technique that everyone can use scott. He is engage. You're of course you're right but what he did that. I teach. i think is very important thing. Is he really listened to me. And his responses indicated that he was listening to me. Didn't mean you had to agree with me didn't mean he had to flatter me. I think what we want more than anything in life is to feel like we're seeing and her. I think there's nothing worse than feeling like you're invisible if you've had that experience for whatever reason you don't have enough money or you're not in the right club or you're not the right clothes at whatever it is. It's a terrible feeling and when someone really sees you and really here's you. It creates an authentic bond with them. Now some people say well you know what if a you weren't in film. What if it was something he didn't know about. I guarantee would he would have said if i'd said oh i'm an if you didn't know anything about astrophysics he might have said to me. Oh i don't know anything about that. Can you tell me what's the most in a great lesson. Oh my god brings to mind though. Is that people out there. In the audience have a choice. You could go out and spend several hundred thousand on therapy or just go to the wilson method i am. I have a certain bias. Of course. Because i think so highly of myself have to deserve. I have to tell you. Honestly scott and i thought wow that's to me that's more imports less once you learn something like that. It's not just for business. It becomes who you are and it helps all your relationships whether it's family friends or business. That's fascinating folks. Don't be afraid check it out. Www wilson method dot com. You know what sadly we're running out of time but larry. I can't tell you how exciting it was for me to. Have you join me in the studio and chat about show business in in you. How you got started to where you are now. I don't even need. But i will wish you continued success as an all the years. I've known you as i mentioned. You are the adamant professional and always are rising to the occasion. And just with the wilson met that. I think you're going to take this to the next level. Congratulations thank you. I mean my can you know. Sometimes people say to me in the training will say you know what you think. This is bad or you do think this is a mistake. I said you know. I think the only thing that's really failure is death as long as you don't die doing it okay. You're doing great and and that's a great response. Let's true because some of the will be talking. We do a lot of training for people who have to get up make presentations speeches and of course people are terrified of doing that. And when we break it down and deconstructed they realize. I don't have to be afraid. And suddenly these people are able to get up effortlessly and speak extemporaneously and it's fantastic transformation but just say no one's ever died from being embarrassed or stage front and never die perspective. That's the word of the day perspective. Larry thanks so much ladies and gentlemen. I wanna thank Larry wilson for joining us today. stay tuned for future. Podcast be sure to review them radim in share them. Thanks so much for joining us. Thanks larry thank you very much. Tastic guys have a great day. Thanks bye we hope you enjoyed this episode of stand up comedy your host and emcee for information on the show merchandise and our sponsors or descend comments scott visit our website at www dot stand up your host and emcee dot com look for more episodes soon and enjoy the world of standup comedy. Visit a comedy showroom near you.

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