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"george vic" Discussed on News Radio 1190 KEX

News Radio 1190 KEX

13:12 min | 3 years ago

"george vic" Discussed on News Radio 1190 KEX

"Go to the phones, I want to talk about some successes so close to home here, groom lake. Can now talk about it. You can talk about it, and some of the people at work. They're able to come forward and talk about it the U2. the Blackbird programs. Eight twelve f twelve and are seventy-one spectacular successes. A lot of them those, those particular airplanes built by Lockheed and you know, they helped us win the Cold War, but not everything that went on out there was a success. And you discuss one of those projects, I think it was called tag board. Right. Yeah. No pun intended off of the eight twelve program. The idea behind this was to create a supersonic drone that would literally go on the back of the twelve and be launched at supersonic speeds. And fly mainly into China because if the s or seventy eight twelve program actually flew over the Soviet Union, and take pictures of Neri hard to get to places like where the tiny actually tested their nuclear weapons. And then give us pictures back remotely this program, you know, made a ton of sense. It was designed by the same people that designed the YouTube yester- seventy-one. This is Kelly Johnston, Lockheed skunkworks, and sadly, it sailed and it failed in a deadly way the first combat launch launch under combat conditions of the what was called the d twenty one. One. Was tragic, it, basically got caught up in the jet wash of the seventy one or the, the mother ship and smashed down into it in disintegrating. The mother aircrafts to wear both pilots injected. But one, unfortunately, died in the crash on it, basically more than likely what happened is, she was either knocked out or his suit was damaged to the point when he hit the water aid round naturally. What killed that program? It was tried to resurrect it by dropping the drone up the bottom of v fifty two but it's never had the success that it was intended to be a supersonic drone flown from the back of supersonic aircraft, and it would have been the celsius thing ever created up to that point where when it finally did do one test, run successfully over the Chinese had no idea. It was there. It was completely invisible to radar. Well, you know, guys from skunkworks have been more successful successful, more often than they haven't for sure. I think about the SR seventy-one, which is the most awesome plane. You know, my favorite plane, the guys who worked on those blackbirds say the twelve was even better faster. Yeah. They special person to strap yourself into one of those and goes zipping over China or the Soviet Union. I mean my gosh person to be the first person to do it. Right. I mean. Yeah. I mean. Hey, you know, you're going to get the plane and don't matter don't mind, the fact that the fuel is leaking out the back of the aircraft because it did because the field tanks Tim seal on the ground, they sealed up in the air, when he reached out and speed, and that was a quirky little design feature of the aircraft don't mind that, and, yeah, you're going to faceted anyone's ever flown before the atmosphere. And yes, sure have fun. The crazy thing is that it was completely successful this aircraft the seventy one that broke the, the air speed record flying to be retired when it flew from what it sue from the west coast of east coast. It broke the record of how fast you got there on the way to be retired. So this is this is one Helvin aircraft. And, and the, the men and women who worked on, on the Blackbird say the twelve even faster. Yeah. Eight till in actually had a higher ceiling higher. It just. Yeah. It's the CIA basically of the twelve CIs variant of the aircraft for seventy one was the air force, variant and CIA gave up the program for the air force. And so the seventy one became the operational variant that continue to fly until the Cold War. We'll take a couple of calls, and I got some other questions that come back to east of the Rockies Brian in Indianapolis. Hi, brian. Hey, George getting. Hey, how are you? Hey, I was kinda curious during Vietnam war, about the air America part of the or the ration- kinda gotta the stuff that they were kind of maybe Societa with, you know, or what they did or do you have any any stories Cal it? And it's kind of a sidebar is wonder why Castro was so hard to kill you. Don't. George Vic topic, good. I think it sounds like that. Nothing was off the table. I mean they just wanted to do anything that great topic. And I love it. Good evening. Thanks, brian. Yeah. I think I think he got it. Right. Nothing was off the table. I mean, this is a time during over to the Cold War where there was no idea, too crazy things. We're completing our and, and, and civil air air America was started as a way to critic front company to allow CI to operate in the southeast Asian region. Even actually before the US was fully involved in Vietnam. Certainly while we were as well. It's easy to kind of complete southeast Asia. One thing ideas, that there was a war that congress had authorized inside of Vietnam, but not authorized kind of Laos and Cambodia. The problem was a lot of the important stuff was happening inside Lawson Cambodian clean. Ho Chi, Minh trail went through both countries and the CIA needed to operate all over the region, and do it without anyone really knowing within the black budget. So you're America was very handy for that, it, it's not all that different than what we're doing with bringing in contractors bring in people who are tied to these agencies, but not directly hired by these agencies. This is kind of an early version of that. Why was CASAs too hard to kill will use good staying alive? He didn't let anything get him. He had food tasters. He had body doubles. He had people who were making sure that he was protected at all times, implicitly. We tried. All the weird ways right? We didn't try the simple ways I go in there with the right one kill the guy. Well, we almost fried that have to read the book find out, how that story went he must have been lucky to some extent to. Oh, sure, I mean, this is not the compare apples and oranges in much as you hate Fidel. He's hitler. He think of kind of how Hitler was lucky threatens life of there was something like fifty assassination attempts of Adolf Hitler, and he survived every one of them. And it was some of his blind luck sometimes like you know, he moves three steps over that protected him from the bomb that went off, and, and, and she was somewhat similar feels not responsible for six million deaths in the holocaust, but Castro certainly is hated by many people. Maybe as it was, and he was lucky in many circumstances. Also where he just wasn't the right place at the right time or not in the wrong place at the time he's able to, to live as long as he did west of the Rockies Daryl in Mesa, Arizona. Hey Daryl, you're on with Vince Houghton. Hi, george. Thank you. Dr houghton. And I was wondering if you remember from the late seventies, I feel like I'm experiencing Mandela effect because I seem to be the only one who remembers this. But in the late seventies, I remember the CIA being caught red handed in the drug trade, and then profiting from bringing dogs to the United States, states. Do you remember that? So there, there are a lot of stories about this. They're actually some several really good books about this and there were not just in the late. Seventies goes actually into the nineteen eighties, as well where there's a lot of this understanding about this, and actually everyone's right in everyone's along about the same time did the CIA statistically, help the cartels bring drugs into the United States. Most of the evidence points to know so anyone arguing that is probably stretching the evidence way too far into kind of conspiracy theory land. Now that being said, the CIA look the other way while the cartels, moved brogues, the United States almost certainly ended the CIA look the other way as cartels made billions of dollars off of Americans in providing drugs and other things almost certainly now did they do it to be mean did it because in their justification the? Cartel's helped to keep communist governments from taking over some of the central and South American countries. And so that was obviously the priority for the CIA in the seventies eighties in Latin America was the prevent a communist takeover. If you could help the cartels, maintain the power that they had over these governments, and look the other way while they all this stuff up in the United States, who was a bit of a symbiotic relationship, so not as crazy as literally bringing stuff in for them, but it's certainly not our finest hour as an intelligence agency, Daryl, thanks for the call. So vince. Is there any evidence that there was say during the Vietnam era of involvement in drug trade in the golden trial there as a way for CIA to have independent funds that money, that's not budgeted? So that that's another very common arguments. And I, I would I'd never seen evidence. That they allowed this the prophet of this, basically, looking at this abuse heroin from coming into the United States. That's not to say that, that the air America was not involved in helping reasonable assets. Move around see I always has very healthy black budget, whether they need drugs, or not so incessantly during Vietnam or just money money money was pouring into the region. I've never seen any evidence that convinced me that the CIA needed to do this in order to have money that could not be traced. Now were there, people who worked for CIA that were doing this to make extra money? Certainly, there's certainly evidence suggests that it's impossible at this point to, to tie them directly agency personnel. But again, Previa prior to nineteen seventy five the CI was the wild west. They basically did whatever the hell they felt like. So anything is possible. First time caller. Ted in New York City. Good morning. Ted. You know, when you mentioned it ller he survived, was never a sniper a long distance, sniper could try to take them. Outstanding his car. I guess he liked out. My question is. Seventy Valerie should have been dealt and would have been dealt. I know it had problems. But I wish they didn't cancel that. Look what Russia has now a. Dime. Sound barrier bomber is going in South America. Doc. Thank you. I mean like half a Russian bombers are still propeller-driven right. They're still old, their foxtrot. So. Bombers bombers are just a way to keep bomber pilot find. I mean, what we're three gonna be by bombers, whether the hypersonic or anything else. You know, all all start worrying about the Russians when they build better submarines. Also worrying about the Russians when they may have, you know, mobile land-based missiles that I need to worry about. You can you can always down a bomber the reason that we still have B to flying with air crews that are you'll have a single fifty two pilot who is old as aircrafts, which is amazing to me, which is wonderful way of kind of keeping these things going. It's because it's their antiquated. Right. We're not gonna retire them because actually very useful for conventional war, but we're certainly not going to bring the b one back and actually making nuclear capable. That's another. There's no be when aircrafts flying in our entire. Tire country that you can stick a Newcomb. They're all conventional specific now, the B two. And then, of course, the be twenty one. These are just keep..

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"george vic" Discussed on NewsRadio KFBK

NewsRadio KFBK

15:30 min | 3 years ago

"george vic" Discussed on NewsRadio KFBK

"Vince before we go to the phones. I wanna talk about some successes so close to home here, groom lake. We can now talk about it. You can talk about it, and some of the people at work. They're able to come forward and talk about it. The U2. the Blackbird programs eight twelve YIF, twelve and are seventy-one spectacular successes, a lot of those, those particular airplanes built by Lockheed and, you know, they helped us win the Cold War, but not everything that went on out there was a success. And you discuss one of those projects, I think it was called tag board. Right. Piggyback, no pun intended off of the eight twelve program. The idea behind this was to create a supersonic drone that would literally go on the back of the twelve and be launched at supersonic speeds. And fly mainly into China because if the or seventy eight twelve program Roxy, flew over the Soviet Union, and take pictures of very hard to get to places like where the Chinese actually tested their nuclear weapons, and then gives us pictures back remotely this program, you know, made a ton of sense. It was designed by the same people that designed the YouTube yester- seventy-one. This is Kelly Johnston, Lockheed skunkworks, and sadly, it sailed and it failed in a deadly way the first combat launch launch under combat conditions of the. What was called the d twenty one was tragic, it basically got caught up in the jet wash of the seventy one or the, the mothership and smashed down into it in disintegrating, the mother aircraft to wear both pilots objected. But one, unfortunately died in the crash on it. Basically, more than likely what happened is, she was either knocked out or his suit was damaged to the point when he hit the water, he drowns naturally. What killed that program was tried to resurrect, it by dropping the drone up the bottom of fifty two but it's never had the success that it was intended to be a supersonic drone flown from the back of supersonic aircraft, and it would have been the stealthy thing ever created up to that point where when it finally did do one test, run successfully over the Chinese. They had no idea. It was there. It was completely invisible to radar. Well, you know, those guys from skunkworks of have been more successful successful, more often than they haven't for sure. I think about the SR seventy-one, which is the most awesome plane. You know, my favorite plane, the guys who worked on those blackbirds say the twelve was even better faster. Yeah. The special person to strap yourself into one of those and goes zipping over China or the Soviet Union. I mean my gosh. Person to be the first person to do it. Right. Hey, you know you're going to get into plane. Don't matter don't mind, the fact that the fuel is leaking out the back of the aircraft because it did because the field tanks seal on the ground, they sealed up in the air, when you reached out the speed, and that was a quirky little design feature of the aircraft don't mind that. And yeah, you're gonna fi- faceted anyone's ever flown before the atmosphere. And yes, sir have fun. The crazy thing is that it was completely successful this aircraft the seventy one that broke the, the air speed record flying to be retired when it flew from flew from the west coast of east coast. It broke the record of how fast you got on the way to be retired. So this is this is one Helvin aircraft. And, and the, the men and women who worked on, on the Blackbird say the twelve was even faster. Yeah. Eight till in actually had a higher ceiling fly higher. It just. Yeah. It's the CIA basically, the twelve CIs variant of the aircraft, seventy one was the air force variant in CIA gave up the program for the air force until the seventy one became the operational variant that conceded to fly until the end of the Cold War. We'll take a couple of calls, and I got some other questions that come back to east of the Rockies Brian in Indianapolis. Hi, brian. Good evening. Hey, how are you? Hey, I was kinda curious about during Vietnam war about the era America part of the or the ration- kinda kinda shady stuff that they were kind of maybe Societa with, you know what they did, or do you have any any stories, and it's kind of a sidebar, he's wonder, why Castro was so hard to kill you. Don't. George Vic topic, good in that nothing was off cable. I mean they just wanted to do anything that great topic. And I love it. You gotta tempted eating. Thanks, brian. Yeah. I think I think he got it right. Nothing was off the table. I mean, this is a time during Wolverton the Cold War, where there was no idea, too crazy things. We're completing our Tena and in civil air, the air, America was started as a way to critic front company to allow Seattle operate in the southeast Asian region. Even actually before the US was fully involved in Vietnam. Certainly while we were as well. It's easy to kind of complete southeast Asia. One thing ideas, that there was a war that congress had authorized inside Vietnam, but not authorize inside of Laos and Cambodia. The problem was a lot of the important stuff was happening inside Laos, and Cambodian clean not men, trail wet through both countries. I needed operate all over the region and do it without anyone really knowing within the black budget. So air America was very handy for that. Not all that different than what we're doing say, with bringing in contractors, bringing people who are tied to these agencies, but not directly hired by these agencies. This is kind of an early version of that. Why was cast hard to kill us? Good. Stay alive. He didn't let anything get to him. He had food tasters. He had body doubles. He had people who were making sure that he was protected all times employs, we tried. All the weird ways right? We didn't try to simple ways I go in there with the right one kill the guy. Well, we almost fried that have to read the book find out, how that story went he must've been lucky to some extent to OSA. This is not the compare apples and oranges in much as you hate Fidel he's Hitler. He think of kind of how Hitler was lucky runs life of there were something like fifty assassination attempts of Adolf Hitler, and he survived every one of them. And it was some of his blind luck sometimes like you know, he moves three steps over in that protected them from the bomb that went off, and, and, and she was somewhat similar feels not responsible for six million deaths in a holocaust, but Castro certainly hated by many people. Maybe as there was, and he was lucky in many circumstances. Also where he just wasn't the right place at the right time or not in the wrong place at the time he's able to do live long as he did. West of the Rockies Daryl in Mesa, Arizona, Daryl, you're on with Vince Houghton. Hi, george. Thank you. Dr Houghton I was wondering if you remembered from the late seventies, I feel like I'm experiencing Mandela because I seem to be the only one who remembers this. But in the late. Remember the CIA being caught red handed in the drug trade and profiting from bringing drugs to the United States. Do St. remember that? So there, there are a lot of stories about this. They're actually some several really good books about this and there were not just in the late. Seventies goes actually into the nineteen eighties, as well where there's a lot of this understanding about this, and actually everyone's right? Everyone's along about this, same time, did the CIA STIs help the cartels bring drugs into the United States. Most of the evidence points to know so anyone arguing that is probably stretching the evidence way too far into kind of conspiracy theory LAN now that being said, did the CIA look the other way while the cartels, moved brogues, the United States almost certainly into the CIA look the other way as cartels made billions of dollars off of Americans in providing drugs and other things almost certainly now do they do it to be mean? They did it because in their justification the cartels helps to keep communist governments, taking over some of the central and South American countries. And so that was obviously the priority for the CIA in the seventies eighties in Latin America was to prevent a communist takeover. If you could help the cartels, maintain the power that they had over these governments, and look the other way while they all this stuff up in the United States, who was a bit of a symbiotic relationship, so not as crazy as literally bringing stuff in for them, but it's certainly not our finest hour as an intelligence agency, Daryl, thanks for the call. So vince. Is there any evidence that there was say during the Vietnam era involvement in drug trade in the golden trial there as a way for CIA to have independent funds that money, that's not budgeted? So that that's another very common arguments and. I, I would I'd never seen evidence that they allowed this profit of this, basically looking at this abuse heroin from coming into the United States that's not to say that the, the air America was not involved in helping reasonable assets. Move around see I always has a very healthy black budget, whether they need drugs, or not so incessantly during Vietnam or just money money money was pouring into the region. I've never seen any evidence that convinced me that the CIA needed to do this in order to have money that could not be traced. Now were there, people who worked for CIA that were doing this to make extra money? Certainly there's certainly evidence to suggest that it's impossible at this point to, to tie them directly agency personnel. But again, previous prior to nineteen seventy five. The CIA was the wild west. They basically did whatever the hell they felt like so anything's possible. First time caller. Ted in New York City. Good morning. Ted. You know when you mentioned Hitler, he survived with never sniper along distance, sniper could try to take them outstanding in his car. I guess he liked out. I'll my question is. Seventy Valerie should have been dealt and would have been built by. No, it had problems. But I wish they didn't that look what Russia has now a. Time sound barrier bomber is going in South America. Dr. Thank you. I mean like half a Russian bombers are still propeller-driven right. They're still old, their foxtrot. So. Bombers bombers are just a way to keep bomber pilot flying. I mean, what we're threes not going to be by bombers, whether the hypersonic or anything else. You know, all all start worrying about the Russians when they build better submarines. Also worrying about the Russians when they may have, you know, mobile and base missiles that I needed more worried about. You can you can always down a bomber the reason that we still have B C to slide with aircrews that are you'll have a single fifty two pilot who is old as his aircraft, which is amazing to me, which is wonderful way of kind of keeping these things going. It's because it's their antiquated. Right. We're not gonna retire them because actually very useful for conventional war, but we're certainly not going to bring the b one back and actually make nuclear capable. That's another. There's no be when aircrafts flying in our entire in our tire country that you can stick, a new car, and they're all conventional specific. Now, the B two. And then, of course, the b twenty one. These are just keep. Keep the military complex and I'm using that to making seriously. Is this the key people building bombers? Right. The idea is a single higher class. Ballistic missile submarine is enough to keep the Russians deterred. So I'm not worried about the be seventy program was cancelled as it was ridiculously expensive. And when you start to bring in nuclear capable, submarines, we start to bring in the minute, man three and later, the mex-. Which almost happened in quite happen. You don't need something like the great. I know that was a long winded. Answer to say it was just way too expensive for the capabilities that it didn't have. We've recently heard Putin bragging about these hyper sonic unstoppable, missiles, that the Russians had developed, and I, I ran that by somebody, I know who said when they can build a car that works. That's what I'm gonna start worried about the Russians that they're like a gas station that has nuclear weapons. Well, the funny thing is a tuten has tested this, the cruise missile the rest of tested this cruise missile now eight or nine times. And the further the furthest flown is twenty two miles before it crashed. So I'm not too worried about it. There's a there's a famous joke going back to their early Cold War Herbert York, who was chairman of the ACC Manhattan project, scientists that's Pentagon about the fear of bringing a nuclear weapon inside a suitcase into New York City, right? We had a caller from New York City, or Washington, DC and York, very hung and cheek Minhaj oaks as well. I'm not worried about that at all in the Pentagon guys. Like, how can you possibly dismiss that as being impossibly goes? Well, because the Soviets have perfected technology, the suitcase and that, that's, that's. Concept behind this is that, you know, the Russians are good at a couple of things. They're good at certain things. But I just. I'll, I'll start worrying when it makes sense to Nukus and just like didn't make sense Nukus in nineteen fifty and nineteen sixty nineteen seventy and nineteen eighty nineteen ninety two thousand thousand Ed, it doesn't make sense to wanting to grow up in today, because the same rules apply..

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"george vic" Discussed on WCBM 680 AM

WCBM 680 AM

15:37 min | 3 years ago

"george vic" Discussed on WCBM 680 AM

"Before we go to the phones. I wanna talk about some successes so close to home here, groom lake. We can now talk about it. You can talk about it, and some of the people at work. They're able to come forward and talk about it. The U2. the Blackbird programs eight twelve why f twelve and SR seventy-one spectacular successes. Lot of those, those particular airplanes built by Lockheed and you know, they helped us win the Cold War, but not everything that went on out there was a success. And you discuss one of those projects, I think it was called tag board. Right. Piggyback, no pun intended off of the twelve program. The idea behind this was to create a supersonic drone that would literally go on the back of the twelve and be launched at supersonic speeds and fly mainly into China because the seventy eight twelve program actually flew over the Soviet Union and take pictures of very hard to get to places like where the tiny actually tested their nuclear weapons. And then give us pictures back remotely in this program, you know, made a ton of sense. It was designed by the same people that designed the U2., yester- seventy-one, this is Kelly Johnston, Lockheed skunkworks and sadly, it sailed in it failed in a deadly way, the first combat launch launch under combat conditions of the. What was called the d twenty one was tragic, it basically got caught up in the jet wash of the seventy one of the mothership and smashed down into it in disintegrating. The mother aircraft to wear both pilots jetted, but one, unfortunately, died in the crash on it, basically more than likely what happened is, she was either knocked out or his suit was damaged to the point when he hit the water, he drowns naturally. What killed that program? It was try to resurrect it by dropping the drone off the bottom of fifty two but it's never had the success that it was intended to supposed to be a supersonic grown flown from the back of supersonic aircraft, and it would have been the celsius thing ever created up to that point, where when it finally did you one test run successfully over the Chinese had no idea. It was there. It was completely invisible to radar. Well, you know, guys from skunkworks of have been more successful successful, more often than they haven't for sure. I think about the SR seventy-one, which is the most awesome plane. You know, my favorite plane, the guys who worked on those blackbirds say the twelve was even better faster. They special person to strap yourself into one of those and goes zipping over China or the Soviet Union. I mean my gosh. Person to be the first person to do it, right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean. Hey, you know, you're going to get the plane and don't matter don't mind, the fact that the fuel is leaking out the back of the aircraft because it did because the field tanks in seal on the ground, they sealed up in the air, when he reached out the tuten speed, and that was a quirky little design feature of the aircraft don't mind that, and, yeah, you're gonna fi- facet anyone's ever flown before the atmosphere. And yes, sure have fun. But the crazy thing is that it was completely successful. This aircraft the seventy one that broke the, the air speed record flying to be retired when it flew from what it sue from the west coast of the east coast. It broke the record of how fast you got there on the way to be retired. So this is this is one hell of an aircraft, and, and the, the men and women who worked on, on the Blackbird say the twelve was even faster. Yeah. Eight till in actually had a higher ceiling. I can fly higher. It just. It's the CIA basically, the twelve CIs variant of the aircraft or somebody was the air force variant, and I gave up the program for the air force. So the seventy one became the operational variant that continue to fly until the end of the Cold War. We'll take a couple of calls, and I got some other questions that come back to east of the Rockies Brian in Indianapolis. Hi, brian. Hey, George evening. Yeah, you're hoping. Hey, how are you? Hey, I was kinda curious about Vietnam war about the era America part of the farthest, ration- kinda kinda shady stuff that they were kind of navy associated with, you know what they did or do you have any, any stories that you Cal it. And it's kind of a sidebar sworn to why Castro was so hard to kill you only not. Paying my here. George Vic topic, good. It sounds like that. Nothing was off pay. I mean they wanted to do anything to do anything. That's great topic. And I love it. You guys have good evening. Thanks, brian. Yeah. I think I think he got it right. Nothing was off the table. I mean, this is a time during over to the Cold War, where there was no idea, too crazy things we're completing our tainted. And, and civil air, the air America was started as a way to create a front company to allow Seattle operate in the southeast Asian region. Even actually before the US was fully involved in Vietnam. It certainly while we were as well. It's easy to kind of complete southeast Asian, a one thing ideas that there was a war that congress had authorized inside Vietnam, but not authorize inside of Laos and Cambodia. The problem was a lot of important stuff was happening inside love and Cambodian clean hokey trail wet through both countries and the CIA needed to operate all over the region and do it without anyone really knowing within the black budget. So you're America was very Fandy for that. I it's not all that different than what we're doing say, with bringing in contractors bring in people who are tied to these agencies, but not directly hired by these agencies. This is kind of an early version of that. Why was CASAs too hard to kill us? Good. Staying alive. You didn't let anything get him. He had food tasters. He had body doubles he had people who were making sure that he was protected at all times implicit. We tried. All the weird ways right? We didn't try the simple ways I go in there with the right one kill the guy. Well, we almost five that because I have to read the book to find out, how that story went he must've been lucky to some extent, too. Oh, sure, I mean, this is not the compare apples and oranges in much as you hate Fidel. He's hitler. He think, of how Hitler was lucky runs life of there was something like fifty assassination attempts of Adolf Hitler, and he survived every one of them. And it was some of his blind luck sometimes like you know, he moves three steps over that protected them from the bomb that went off, and, and, and she, though somewhat similar feels not responsible for six million deaths in the holocaust, but Castro certainly hated by many people. Maybe as there was, and he was lucky in many circumstances. Also where he just wasn't the right place at the right time or not in the wrong place at the long time he's able to do live as long as he did west of the Rockies Daryl in Mesa, Arizona. Hey Daryl, you're on with Vince Houghton. Hi, george. Thank you. Dr houghton. And I was wondering if you remember from the late seventies, I feel like I'm experiencing Mandela effect because I to be the only one who remembers this. But in the late seventies, I remember the, the I been caught red handed in the drug trade, and in profiting from bringing dogs to the United States, states. Do you remember that? So there, there are a lot of stories about this. They're actually some several really good books written about this and there were not just in the late. Seventies goes actually into the nineteen eighties, as well where there's a lot of this understanding about this, and actually everyone's right in everyone's along about this the same time the CIA physically help the cartels, bring drugs and the United States, most of the evidence points to know. So anyone arguing that is probably stretching the evidence way too far into kind of conspiracy theory land. Now that being said, did the CIA look the other way while the cartels moved Brooks the United States almost certainly ended the CIA look the other way as cartels made billions of dollars off of Americans in providing drugs and other things almost certainly now did they do it to be mean? No, they did it because in their justification. The cartels helped to keep communist governments from taking over some of the central and South American countries. And so that was obviously the priority for the CIA in the seventies eighties in Latin America was to prevent a communist takeover. And if you can help the cartels, maintain the power that they had over these governments, and look the other way while they set all this stuff up in the United States who was a bit of a symbiotic relationship, so not as crazy as literally bringing stuff in for them, but it's certainly not our finest hour as an intelligence agency, Daryl, thanks for the call. So vince. Is there any evidence that there was say during the Vietnam era of involvement in drug trade in the golden triangle there as a way for CIA to have independent funds that money, that's not budgeted? So that that's another very common arguments. And I. I would I'd never seen any evidence that they allowed this the prophet of this, basically looking at this abuse heroin from coming into the United States. That's not to say that they're the air America was not involved in helping reasonable assets. Move around see I always has very healthy black budget, whether they need drugs, or not so incessantly during Vietnam or just money money money was pouring into the regions. I never seen any. Evidence that convinced me that the CIA needed to do this, in order to have money that could not be traced. Now were there, people who worked for CIA that were doing this to make extra money? Certainly, there's certainly evidence suggests that it's impossible at this point to, to tie them directly agency personnel. But again, previous prior to nineteen seventy five the CIA was the wild west. They basically did whatever the hell they felt like so anything's possible. First time caller. Ted in New York City. Good morning. Ted. So much. You know when you mentioned Hitler, he survived. It was never a sniper along distance, sniper could try to take them outstanding and car, I guess he liked out. My question is seventy Valerie should've been and could have been built. I know it had problems, but I wish they didn't pass it. Look what Russia has now a dime. Sound barrier bomber is going in South America. Doc. Thank you. I mean like half a Russian bombers are still propeller-driven right. They're still old, their foxtrot. So. Bombers bomber to just a way to keep bomber pilot fine. I mean, what we're three not gonna be by bombers with the hyper phonic or anything else. You know, all all start worrying about the Russians when they build better submarines. Also worrying about the Russians when they may have, you know, mobile and base missiles that I need to worry about. You can you can always down a bomber the reason that we still have B C to flying with air crews that are you'll have a single fifty two pilot who is old as aircraft which is amazing to me, which is wonderful waves kind of keeping these things going. It's because it's their antiquated. Right. We're not gonna retire them because actually very useful for conventional war, but we're certainly not going to bring the b one back and actually make a nuclear capable. That's another. There's no be when aircrafts flying in our entire in tire country that you can stick a Newcomb. They're all conventional specific now, the B two, and then, of course, the twenty one. These are just keep. Demilitary military complex. And I'm using that to make seriously. Is this the key people building bombers? Right. The idea is a single higher class. Ballistic missile submarine his enough to keep the Russians deterred. So I'm not worried about the b seventy program was cancelled as it was ridiculously expensive. And when you start to bring in nuclear capable, submarines, we start to bring in the minute, man, three and later, the. Mexx which almost happened then quite happen. You don't need something about great. I know that was a long winded. Answer to say it was just way too expensive for the capabilities that it didn't have. We, we've recently heard Putin bragging about these hyper sonic unstoppable, missiles, that the Russians had developed, and I, I ran that by somebody, I, I know said when they can build a car that works. That's what I'm going to start worrying about the Russians that they're like a gas station that has nuclear weapons. Well, the funny thing is that has tested this, this cruise missile the rest of this cruise missile now eight or nine times. And the further the furthest flown is twenty two miles before it crashed. So I'm not too worried about it. There's a famous joke going back to the early Cold War Herbert York, who was chairman of the AC Manhattan project, scientists. That's the Pentagon about the fear of bringing a nuclear weapon inside a suitcase into New York City, right? We had a caller from New York City, or Washington, DC and York, very hung and Sheikh Minhaj oaks as well. I'm not worried about that at all in the Pentagon guys. Like, how can you possibly dismiss that as being impossibly goes, well, because the Soviets have perfected the technology, the suitcase, and that, that's that concept behind this is that, you know, the Russians are good at a couple of things. They're, they're good at certain things. But I just. I'll all start worrying when it makes sense to nuke us. And just like I didn't make sense to us. Nineteen fifty nineteen sixty nineteen seventy nineteen eighty and nineteen ninety two thousand thousand ten it doesn't make sense. Lunch today, because the same rules apply. The same rules applied since the advent of nuclear weapons still apply today. I don't care how hypersonic your weapons are..

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"george vic" Discussed on News Radio 920 AM

News Radio 920 AM

12:40 min | 3 years ago

"george vic" Discussed on News Radio 920 AM

"We go to the phones. I want to talk about some successes so close to home here, groom lake. We can now talk about it. You can talk about it. And some of the people who work, there are able to come forward and talk about it the U2. the Blackbird programs. Eight twelve wife twelve and SR, seventy-one spectacular successes. A lot of them those, those particular airplanes built by Lockheed and you know, they helped us win the Cold War, but not everything that went on out there was a success. And you discuss one of those projects, I think it was called tag board. Right. Piggyback, not intended off of the eight twelve program. The idea behind this was to create a supersonic drone that would literally go on the back of the twelve and be launched at supersonic speeds. And fly mainly into China because if you'd be or seventy eight twelve program actually flew over the Soviet Union, and take pictures of very hard to get to places like where the tiny actually tested their nuclear weapons. And then give us pictures back remotely this program, you know, made a ton of sense. It was designed by the same people that designed, the YouTube, yes or seventy one this is Kelly Johnston, Lockheed Skunk Works, and sadly, it's failed and it failed in a deadly way, the first combat launch launch under combat conditions of the. What was called the d twenty one was tragic, it basically got caught up in the jet wash of the seventy one or the, the mothership and smashed down into it. In up disintegrating the mother aircraft to wear both pilots injected. But one, unfortunately, died in the crash on it, basically more than likely what happened is he was either knocked out or his suit was damaged to the point when he hit the water, he drowns, and that's really what killed that program. It was they tried to resurrect, it by dropping the drone up the bottom of fifty two but it's never had the success that it was intended to be a supersonic drone flown from the back of supersonic aircraft, and it would have been the healthiest thing ever created up to that point, where when it finally did do one test, run successfully over the Chinese. They had no idea. It was there. It was completely invisible to radar. Well, you know, those guys from skunkworks have been more successful successful, more often than they haven't for sure. I think about the SR seventy-one, which is the most awesome plane my favorite plane. The guys who worked on those blackbirds say the twelve was even better faster. You have the special person to strap yourself into one of those and goes up over China or the Soviet Union. I mean my gosh, well, you have to be a special person to be the first person to do it. Right. I mean I mean. Hey, you know, you're going to get the plane and don't matter don't mind, the fact that the fuel is leaking out the back of the aircraft because it did because the field tanks and seal on the ground, they sealed up in the air, when you reached out the tuten speed, and that was a quirky little design feature of the aircraft don't mind that, and, yeah, you're going to faster than anyone's ever flown before the atmosphere. And yes, sure have fun. The crazy thing is that it was completely successful this aircraft. Yes. Or seventy one that broke the, the air speed record flying to be retired when it flew from flew from the west coast, east coast. It broke the record of how fast you got there on the way to be retired. So this is this is one Helvin aircraft. And, and the, the men and women who worked on, on the Blackbird say the twelve was even faster. Yeah. Actually had a higher ceiling fly higher. It just. Yeah. It's the CIA basically eight twelve CI variant of the aircraft. Yes for seventy one was the air force variant and gave up the program for the air force. So the somebody wants became the operational variant that continued to fly until the end of the Cold War. We'll take a couple of calls, and I got some other questions that come back to east of the Rockies Brian in Indianapolis. Hi, brian. Hey, George Ghedini. Yeah, you're hoping. Hey, how are you? Hey, I was kinda curious. During Vietnam war about the era America part of the or the ration- kinda gotta the shady stuff that they were kinda maybe Societa with you know what they did. Or do you have any any stories that you've Cal it? And it's kind of a sidebar. He's wonder why Castro was so hard to kill only not. Paying my up here, George Vic topic, and it sounds like that nothing was off the table. I mean they they just wanted to do anything do anything. Great topic. And I love it. You guys have good evening. Thanks, brian. Yeah. I think I think he got it. Right. Nothing was off the table. I mean, this is a time during Wilburton the Cold War, where there was no idea, too crazy things. We're completing our Tena and civil air, air, America was started as a way to critic front company to allow CI to operate in the southeast Asian region. Even actually before the US was fully involved in Vietnam. But certainly while we were as well. It's easy to kind of complete southeast Asia. And a one thing, the idea that there was a war that congress had authorized inside of Vietnam, but not authorized inside of Laos and Cambodia. The problem was a lot of the important stuff was happening inside love and Cambodian clean, not meant trail wet through both countries and the CIA the operate all over the region and do it without anyone really knowing it within the black budget. So you're America was very handy for that. I it's all that different than what we're doing with bringing in contractors bring in people who are tied to these agencies, but not directly hired by these agencies. This is kind of an early version of that. Why was CASAs too hard to kill? Good. Stay alive. He didn't let anything get him yet. Tasters yet body doubles. He had people who were making sure that he was protected at all times in plus we tried. All the weird ways right? We didn't try the simple ways I go in there with the right one kill the guy. Well, we almost five that have to read the book find out, how that story went he must have been lucky to some extent to OSA. I mean, this is not the compare apples and oranges in much as you hate Fidel. He's hitler. He think of kind of how Hitler was lucky threatens life of there was something like fifty assassination. Attempts of Adolf Hitler and he's revived every one of them. And it was some of his blind luck sometimes like you know, he moves three steps over that protected them from the bomb that went off, and, and, and she was somewhat similar feels not responsible for six million deaths in the holocaust, but Castro certainly hated by many people. Maybe as it was, and he was lucky in many circumstances. Also where he just wasn't the right place at the right time or not in the wrong place at the time he's able to do live, as long as he did west of the Rockies Daryl in Mesa, Arizona. Hey Daryl, you're on with Vince Houghton. Hi, george. Thank you. Dr Houghton I was wondering if you remember from the late seventies, I feel like I'm experiencing Mandela sex because I seem to be the only one who remembers this. But in the late seventies, I remember the day being caught red-handed handed the drug trade, and then profiting from bringing to the United States, states. Do you remember that? So there, there are a lot of stories about this. They're actually some several really good books written about this and there were not just in the late. Seventies goes actually into the nineteen eighties, as well where there's a lot of this understanding about this, and actually everyone's right in everyone's along about this the same time did the CIA statistically, help the cartels bring drugs into the United States. Most of the evidence points to know so anyone arguing that is probably stretching the evidence way too far into kind of conspiracy theory land. Now that being said, the CIA look the other way, while the cartels, moved brags United States almost certainly into the CIA look the other way as cartels made billions of dollars off of Americans in providing drugs and other things almost certainly now did they do it to be mean did it because in their justification the? Cartel's help to keep communist governments. I'm taking over some of the central and South American countries. And so that was obviously the priority for the CIA in the seventies eighties in Latin America was to prevent a communist takeover. If you could help the cartels, maintain the power that they had over these governments, and look the other way while they set all this stuff up in the United States who was a bit of symbiotic relationship, so not as crazy as literally bringing stuff in for them, but it's certainly not our finest hour as an intelligence agency, Daryl, thanks for the call. So vince. Is there any evidence that there was say during the Vietnam era involvement in drug trade in the golden triangle there as a way for CIA to have independent funds that money, that's not budgeted? So that that's another very common arguments. And I, I would I'd never seen any evidence. That they allowed this the prophet of this, basically, looking at this would heroin from coming into the United States. That's not to say that, that the air America was not involved in helping reasonable assets. Move around see I always has very healthy black budget, whether they need drugs, or not so incessantly during Vietnam, where just money money money was pouring into the region. I've never seen any evidence such convince me the CIA needed to do this in order to have money that could not be traced. Now were there, people who worked for CIA that were doing this to make extra money? Certainly there's certainly evidence to suggest that it's impossible at this point to, to tie them directly agency personnel. But again, previous prior to nineteen seventy five the CI was the wild west. They basically did whatever the hell they felt like. So anything is possible. First time caller. Ted in New York City. Good morning. Ted. You so much. You know when you mentioned Hitler, he survived was never a sniper a long distance, sniper could try to take them outstanding in his car, I guess he liked out. My question is you think that the seventy Valerie should have been built and would have been built? I know it had problems. But I wish they didn't cancer that, look what Russia has now a two-time sound barrier bomber is going in South America. I get doctor. Thank you. I mean. Like half a Russian bombers are still propeller-driven right. They're still old, their foxtrot so bombers bombers are just a way to keep bomber pilot flying. I mean, what we're gonna be by bombers, whether the hypersonic or anything else, you know, all all start worrying about the Russians when they build better, submarines also worrying about the Russians when they may have, you know, mobile land-based missiles that I need to worry about. Can you can always down a bomber the reason that we still have B C to flying with aircrews that are you'll have a single d fifty two pilot who is old.

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"george vic" Discussed on Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

03:57 min | 3 years ago

"george vic" Discussed on Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

"You know, what I mean, or which one of your assets, would you have had to have given away to we gotta remember that. Because Paul George Vic. So John Paul George is better than any player that the Lakers have right now, James harden, and Brandon Ingram people they'll be outside his door. Finally had a good game because LeBron is nursing an injury. All right Br door right now ball. Already hate me. I don't care about. We're talk about Brandon Ingram needs to show up and have a game like he had against Sacramento where he was brilliant. I wouldn't hate seeing one of those when the brawn James is on the court to never happen. That's what I'm saying. It will never happen. This is why he's a more valuable asset somewhere else. Then I think he is here. It's like when you at bat, you know, when you're little league at bat. And all of a sudden you see your dad over to stands. That's how hot Brennan even play when abroad on the court. Looking at me. He's looking at me. Likes me. He's gonna pass hit. I gotta get. Of course, speaking literally Kirk, what do you think, you know, you know, Travis pitch for the Rancho runners right on college. I know you used to play baseball and union go to spring training. All the time. I know this is no joke. You should see Kirk swing a bat. No. I'm saying you think distract if we played strike renowned gets to what you think you could get hurt. Yeah. You think so? Ooh. Don't get the video. We've all heard LeBron said about being the goat was he right? That's coming up next. It's happy hour every hour that New Year's was over at the congress of the night. Conroe us older you heard it was being deller. Hey works on the weekends at the conga row here in LA LA live happy birthday tank. It's just it's just come on Tango Bertha, according to the rundown doesn't mean that it is on the run. We just getting back in this thing picking up where we left off. All right. So LeBron has a million different things going on. He he's got basketball. He's got movies. He's got everything else. He's also got his series on ESPN called more than an athlete any said something the other day that got everybody's attention because he basically put it out there that he is the greatest player of all time here he is from his series more than an athlete that made me the greatest player wall. I was a super super ecstatic win won't for Cleveland because fifty two year drought. Like, how ecstatic like the first wave of emotion was every once on me cry like that was all fifty two years everything sports going on Cleveland. And then after I stopped. I was like all right there. Major to greatest player of all time. Now to everybody was just how they were greatest team of all time like it was a greatest team ever assembled for us to come back. You know, the way we came back and fashion. I was like you did some special wanted to only times in my career. I felt like like you do some special. I haven't had really had time to really like sit back and think, but that that was a moment. So that's LeBron on his show more than an athlete. It look Kirk. He makes a pretty compelling case. He because to hear him tell it it was the seventy three one team most ever in the history of the NBA during the regular season. They beat the defending champs. This is a team that had won the NBA championship the year before this was a team that was up three one. And they had to go on the road and win a game five on the road. They had to win a game seven on the road. And they won those games. Not just because LeBron because kyri was real good in those games too. But then when those games mostly. Because LeBron Bron went to a level that I've only seen one of the guy go to and that was Jordan the where there was no answer for him. No matter what he did in hear him tell and it wasn't it didn't feel incredibly boastful. It didn't feel like it finger-wagging. Just like look what I did against who..

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