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"Jonathan Nov Place Ashley Baker Reality Dot Com Gossip Guru self-proclaimed fan girl and pop culture enthusiasts with a sweet spot for nostalgia. You're listening to this day. Entertainment A podcast. All about the greatest reality-tv and pop culture happenings from today yesterday. And tomorrow. Welcome to the fanny. Pack in the words of Bethany Frankel. It's time to mention it all without further ado for this week in reality TV and celebrity news we had to say goodbye to alleged. A Hollywood legend is gone. Mr Fred Willard passed away over the weekend and it's just so sad looking through his catalog of movies. It's insane what the man had done in his lifetime. Some of my personal favorites were best in show and waiting for Guffman. He was also in. This is spinal tab and anchorman. The wedding planner. Oh my gosh. One of my favorite stone or movies Harold and Kumar. Go to White Castle so classic another one. How high do you remember that old movie? Roxanna from eighty seven with Steve Martin. Oh my gosh. So Good Austin powers and that just scratches the surface so goodbye to Fred. Willard we lost a legend speaking of legendary. I have to talk about last week's real housewives of Atlanta virtual reunion. These zoom reunions are amazing. I mean WHOA. We have just got the greatest content from them to for to giving it to Porsche. I think Porsche was the MVP of both reunion episodes so far. Looks like there's going to be more than three. Because they're billing this weekend's as the third whereas if I thought it was blast when they would say the final but they didn't so anxious to see how that plays out one thing I loved about. This week's is another. I last week we had our first quote unquote walk-off when meany slammed her computer. This time me and candy be got themselves muted which is so funny that they muted our girl candy on Atlanta on Sunday night and on Monday realized that our girl can be who had just gotten muted. Just won a singing contest on TV SO CANDY. Boras was the two thousand twenty masked singer she was against she was in the top two with Jesse McCartney and she was just a lovely little thing she was the night angel. My mom is obsessed with the mass singer and my mom had been thinking it was candy for the last couple of weeks so and she also thought that the Jesse McCartney character was Nick Carter so I mean between candy and Nick. How low signed me up so I actually watched the episode before the finale and truly thought it was nick. I need to dig into the catalog of Jesse McCartney. Obviously if I got that many nick `ISMS FROM HIM. He's got to be doing something right. So congrats to candy. I love that. And how is it that she gets awarded for singing the day after she got it some? Oh my how I love all this craziness also on Monday. We learned that the Vander pump rules editor. Who's been in the news lately? Herself Breed dellinger was fired. She admitted to giving Sheena some shady at it. I listened to the podcast that she ended up getting getting fired for and truly it didn't sound a lot of the stuff sounded like it was in good fun but there were a couple of super fucking problematic things that she said like wanting to make vander porn page using Sheena clips not cute and oh the whole thing with Nicholas brother. Yeah that was. Intentional is shit and the fact that she lost endorsements off of that is not fucking cool also definitely glad that there were some repercussions for Brie. I'm not a fan of canceled. Culture and firing people rather than having some sort of Progressive Disciplinary Plan of action is Kinda ridiculous and I read breeze letter and I copied the letter before it was taken down Before she took it down so you can look for that on on this day. Entertainment DOT COM. If you WANNA read the letter in its entirety but her defending her actions honestly thought the letter made her sound even worse than she did going in. But that's just my opinion also on Monday we got some bad news from Beverly Hills nine. Oh two one. Oh Star. Brian Austin Green. Mr David Silver. The hunk of all hung's he and his wife. Megan Fox of course from confessions of a teenage diary or confessions of a Teenage Drama Queen and Gun Kelly. Who guesses a rapper? Well it looks like there was some sort of love triangle brewing between the three of them which kinda sounded random on thinking about is. Shouldn't we be social distancing? I don't think the machine gun. Kelly is roommates with Brian. Austin Green and Meghan fought so. Why are they out and about together? That's where my mind is so I posted this on instagram. And the amazing fanny. Pack members on Instagram had some really interesting points to this love saga so apparently Megan Fox and machine gun. Kelly are filming a movie together. And it just happens. Be directed by Mr Randall. Emmett law hence boyfriend the movie producer. Who has worked with Al Pacino and real actors anyway? Oh there was one more little piece of gossip a little back story if I may another bravo tie in so the first one was compliments of at Bravo fan girls. So thank you for the Randall. Emmett connection and this is for my girls Schuyler at the pop binge. She said the other Bravo tie in. Is that Jeff? Lewis and machine gun. Kelly our neighbors and they've had beef. Apparently it's been cleared up. But all I know is of this sound so old here but machine gun Kelly. All I know about him or if few he was. I think put on the map. Like by mainstream America with the feud with EMINEM. And that's pretty much all I know about this guy so wow going straight into Tuesday. We learned the Brian. Austin Green and Megan Fox formally announced their split here. Really say you're surprised after yesterday's news it was like a band aid. They pulled it off for Narayan even said he could see them getting back together in the future. Who knows maybe quarantined together? Made them crazy. I don't know but we are just getting so much baby news and so many splits. Well we have a new relationship alert for southern charm. Bachelor shop rose. He made his new relationship. Instagram official. So best of luck to shop. Maybe we'll see this woman on our screens. I don't know all this southern charm drama going on between so many cast members leaving. I have an update on the Kathryn. Dennis Racist Monkey Mogi Saga coming up later so we shall see some good Hollywood news. I'm very excited about this queen. Mindy Kaeling has announced that she is writing this screenplay for legally blonde three because quote elwood's is so iconic. I couldn't agree more and in a world of remakes things just constantly giving rebooted remade. I love that. We're taking one of our favorite characters and continuing her story. So I'm absolutely here for that. Even though I enjoyed legally blonde two it was nothing compared to the first one. The first legally blond is everything. Oh in more good relationship news. We're going from shop and his new lady now. We have an announcement. This is good news for Meghan King. Edmonds she has a new boyfriend. Of course Meghan used to be on the real housewives of Orange County. She was on for a few seasons. We know her keen detective skills from the Brooks cancer scam who we have gotten so much for. Meghan over the years. I'M A fan. I would love to see your back on my screen. Especially after. She found out that her husband Slash Vivid Daddy. His name asshole face. Jim Admits he's a former baseball player and fulltime douchebag. He was inappropriately texting a woman. The day Meghan Burst tis twins. They have three children together. He's been just a complete asshole through this whole split. It's been very embarrassing. Imagined for Meghan. Just glad to see she's doing okay. Ooh and Ruposi drag race. I feel like Bravo and Rupaul. Maybe because it's like two shows are to two brands. If I may that I follow very closely I just feel like Bravo has given us so much and I feel like Rupaul has given us so much as well. We are getting a whole new leg of programming from repulsed drags coming to America including drag race. Canada which is going in the same style is repulsed drag race America and while the UK the UK is amazing. And you need to watch it so Canada's drag race's coming. There's going to be a show called. How's Your Head Hon? And it's going to be. I'm going to say very ninety day. Fiance Quarantine style as far as it. Just GonNa have fish elvas inside look on quarantine live. It's going to focus on her husband her teenage daughter and her boyfriend. It just seems like it's going to be kind of like a one camera kind of thing just to pass the time but it's Michelle visage. Sign me the hell up. And lastly work the world the DOCU series is coming back for another season and it has some really great names. Aquaria Asia. O'hara Detox Cameron Michaels. Miss Van Moneo Exchange. Naomi smalls and oddly. And can I get an amen? I saw may only Miss Banji Cameron and Asia in Vegas at drag race live show and wow they put on one hell of a show so I am super excited about work the world. How's Your Head Hon? Of course drag race Canada. Bring it on. If you have not gotten into the rupaul franchises. Seriously get yourself involved. It is the best programming. I describe it as a cross between America's next top model project runway idol unlike an Improv show an Improv and stand up almost as far as being able to create not stand up and just being able to create characters on the fly. Doing lots of Improv. I mean you really need to be able to be a performer. But also a creative mind designer. Oh It's just oh and it's all drag Queens. So honestly does he get any better. They answer is no. The answer is no who moving onto Wednesday. We got an interview finely from Kelley Henderson. Kelly Henderson used to be best friends with Kristin Cavallari of course from Very Lori and of course classically from Laguna beach and the hills. Well Kelly spoke out on the split between Kristen and Jay. She said that it had nothing to do with her. And the man in the bracelet there was a big scandal. Online people were questioning who the person was in a picture with Kelly on instagram. It was of them drinking enjoying a night outdoors looking at nature and the man was wearing a kid like colorful beaded bracelet. Much like Jay Cutler does of course the Internet went crazy accusing her saying how thirsty she is which she is but she went on the record she went on a podcast and she said that her boyfriend has that bracelet so I still think she was thirsty for posting that. But I really at this point. I don't think it was Jay Cutler but that's just me can't wait to hear what you think on. Thursday oh I loved going back and revisiting the story two guys remember. How much fun fire festival was I mean? Obviously not if. You're one of the people who wanted to go to fire festival but boy. I mean the Netflix Hulu special. I enjoyed every second of this scandal. That was businessman. I never remember his name. In job. Rule were organizing this big outdoor lavish upscale festival for the most elite on this beach in the Bahamas. It was a scam and many many many of the people that were involved with the festival ended up getting lawsuits. Put ON THEM. Because the people of the town so many investors needed who paid back people had worked. The townspeople had worked. Make this festival huge success and they had gotten caught as well Kendall. Jenner's case was recently settled. She was ordered to pay ninety thousand dollars back which somebody in the facebook group said. That was lunch money for her which is absolutely true and keep in mind. She was paid two hundred seventy five thousand dollars to endorse the festival. Back in two thousand seventeen even paying back ninety k. She still made one hundred eighty five thousand dollars to post on social media. So did she win after all absolutely. I'm just going to say this like if I was in that situation which is a dream. Come true anybody who would like to sponsor this podcast. Pleased you feel free to reach out anyway. I would absolutely donate that hundred. Eighty five thousand dollars back to that community after watching those specials especially the Netflix's one which was so good. The Fire Festival netflix special. If you didn't watch it highly recommend it I would put it back into that town because that fake festival ravished their land and it's the least that she could do and she doesn't need that money. That's chump change anyway. That's just me though. All right wrapping up this week's news of course a southern charm because these mojo foes can't seem to stay out of the News Catherine. Dennis made instagram story. Post saying that she was going to formally address the Monkey emoji scandal and to stay tuned for that in the very lengthy statement she also said Oh. And if you don't know what scandal I'm talking about. You may need to go back and listen to last week's episode it's intense. It is in tense. It goes pretty deep or you could read my story that I wrote. Just go to on this day. Entertainment DOT COM and the articles called southern charms. Catherine Dennis Stays silent after Monkey emoji scandal. I give the backstory in there too. Anyway Catherine's statement said quote. I've been quiet since all this started and told not to post anything but I can't stand it anymore. Y'All have to know that this whole thing has been blown out of context. I'm freaking heartbroken and so depressed because the way I'm being portrayed is totally not true. I use that Emoji all the time because it looked silly an awkward and that's my baseline the account was anonymous and I didn't even know who I was messaging and now I'm being labeled all this crazy stuff and it's just not true so that was Katherine said. This was probably like close to a week ago now. She still has not made a formal statement even though she explicitly said to hold off because she was going to make a statement about the whole thing. So in the meantime I was watching. My girls snarky from the instagram page. A beautiful snarky mass. She had posted one of her followers had sent her some evidence. Some receipts of Catherine using the Monkey Emoji from like twenty sixteen and beyond in just regular conversations. So looking at that. It wasn't one time it was multiple times so shout out to my girl. Snarky is one of my favorite instagram follows. She gets all the dirt. So if you're not already following a beautiful snarky mess with underscores between each word. You need to snarky rocks. That does it for this week's on this day. Entertainment News head on over to on this day. Entertainment Dot Com to read the full articles for this piping hot tea and more back fanny pack. It's always been fascinating for me to see how the world of entertainment has evolved over the years. So let's take a walk down. Memory Lane and reminisce on some of the juiciest and most monumental on this day events from this week in pop culture forty years ago the Classic Arcade Game Pac man was released yes. Pacman is officially forty years old. I have to say he hasn't aged a bit. He's still looks great and he still looks active as ever from getting chased by Blinky Pinky and puts last one's name. It's like Bob early. Something like a regular name. Oh my gosh. I can't believe I don't remember that somebody'll remind me amp. I thank you for it. Also turning forty. Oh my Gosh I love this movie so much. One of maybe my favorite horror movie of all time the shining starring the mazing. Jack Nicholson Shelley Duval in just the scary shit ever. Oh my gosh. If you've not seen the shining what the fuck. Keep an eye out for my instagram post. I went to the I like scary movies experience in Los Angeles last year. You know back in the days when it was safe to go out anyway. One of the movies that the installation an honored was the shining and I have the best pictures ever. Oh my God. The exhibition was amazing. Plus I was so thin last year like those pictures are goals. GotTa get back to that fighting weight but enough about me in nineteen eighty four and eighty nine on the same day. Five years apart. Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom was released and Indiana Jones and loss crusade. I love the Indiana Jones Franchise. I've watched them all recently. They're on prime. I think Oh my God. They hold up so well. The last crusade will always be my favorite and while we're at home that's one to dig into if you have never seen it. Oh my God. Indiana Jones is the perfect adventure for a weekend in quarantine. Gosh speaking of perfect quarantine. Entertainment the best franchise of any star Trek. I know I'm totally right here. Next Gen Star Trek. Next Gen's finale was in nineteen ninety four so those star trek had been around since the sixties. I feel if it's perfect footing in the eighties and nineties with next generation so star Trek people. I am right there with you. Also in ninety four this win. Michael Jackson married Elvis his daughter. Lisa Marie and do you remember how crazy that was? That was such a huge deal like none of us could believe he was marrying a woman and then like from Lisa. Marie we were like all the guys really. But you think about how they're like. The point zero zero zero zero zero zero one percent of celebrity. And it's kind of mind boggling. A real moment in pop culture history Elvis's daughter and Michael Jackson. You never know what you're going to get what time to be alive. Oh Wow this is a sad one. That was a terrible transition in one thousand nine hundred ninety five. Remember this oh well. Ninety five win superman himself. Christopher Reeve was paralyzed from the neck down after falling off a horse in a writing competition that was just so devastating and it was so hard to see the man who was literally Superman. I grew up with him. Superman as many of you dead seeing him lose his ability to do anything. Physical was just so heartbreaking. Oh Wow that was well. Ninety five those twenty five years ago had and of course we've lost him since who? Wow under better news. The in sink album dropped in ninety seven. This is a classic album. You know team backstreet. But to say that instinct didn't deliver would be ally and it would totally unfair because in saint had some Bob's and my personal favorite instinct album. Is this one. This is the self titled One. It's the one that had each one kind of had like a column and you saw like a slice of their face in their body. Oh my God so good here. We go here. We go will mortem every Panis Fan and fun here? We go now. Yes yes yes here. We go inside his got flow. Oh my God so good so good. Oh my I'm going from instinct to a true fucking crime. A terrible transition yet again. I am really out doing it. This time. From one thousand nine hundred ninety seven in sync self titled Album Dropping. The next year Phil Hartmann the actor and and comedian. We know him of course from Saturday. Night live this is the night he was murdered by his wife while he was asleep. He was forty nine years old when he was killed. If you've been in the fanny pack for awhile you know that I mean Bravo obviously is my drug of choice but right there with Bravo. I love a true crime story. And if you're going to make it a celebrity true crime story you better believe I am into it fills wife Brynn. Shot Him in his sleep. One of the bullets hit the right side of his neck. One hit him in his Chin. His press right forearm. The shots were no more than eighteen. Inches away oh but the most damaging shot was the one fired point blank. Just above the bridge. Phil's nose and the bullet ended up passing through his skull and his brain before it stopped. It was reported that the death was quick. Maybe even instantaneous and this broke my heart report said that it appeared that Phil had been smiling as if he had been in the middle of a good dream. Isn't that dissatisfying thing? So if I remember this correctly and I remember Howard Stern left Howard growing up. I'm not listening anymore because it's on serious and I'm poor but I just love her. We would always talk about Phil Hartmann. He was such a fan but from what I understand from what I remember. And please give more details on this story. If you know the fanny pack is the facebook group so go to facebook checking the groups for the fanny pack? It's the honest entertainment group where we keep these conversations going. If I'M NOT MISTAKEN. Bill's wife had left and called a friend of hers admitted that she had killed him and had like been out and about for several hours before she ended up being arrested. There's so many more details to. Oh you know what she'd wasn't because she ended up shooting herself. She killed herself. I just remembered that I'm going to need to go back and read this because this is. This is a lot on pack. I can't believe I forgot this much anyway. Finally a more appropriate transition. I mean this is kind of dark while this is very dark going from Phil Hartman's murder to the year. Two thousand this win the Marshall Mathers. Lp The third album by EMINEM was released. It is the fastest ever selling studio album later. Best rap album in two thousand one happy anniversary to the Marshall Mathers LP. It is the twentieth year anniversary crazy. This was EMINEM's third album so I think his first one was in ninety eight. He was popping him out quick. But this one I was actually and if we're able to safely leave the house later this year there is an anniversary coming up for the song. Stan which is a favourite eminem Song of mine but it's about like a stalker fan stand. Who will end up committing a crime? Which was the connection to you. The Phil Hartmann Story from just a second ago but I was going to have a stand party where we're not killing anybody but we are dressing to honor our favorite celebrities that we may Stan. So naturally I'd be pretty spears because it makes sense. Ooh Also an Eminem News in two thousand two. He released his fourth album called the M. Show and it ended up of course because it's eminem ended up winning the billboard album of the year in two thousand two and the grammy for best rap album in two thousand three. I'M GONNA call it out like I really liked 'em when he came out. I thought it was so interesting. He so dark. He is obsessed with murder as I am. So the dark part of my heart definitely a fan but it all just became more and more of the same and it's not bad it's just it didn't hold my attention. I grew and I feel like eminem. Even though his lyrical content is amazing the sound is just a little monotonous for me and again. That's my opinion. Another Hollywood split Holy Shit. In Two thousand three twenty six year old Angelina Jolie divorced her forty seven year. Old Husband Billy Bob Thornton due to irreconcilable differences that was. I don't remember them being together that long. I do remember this being very popular and we were all just like what the hell. What the Hell wasn't she wearing a vial of his blood around her neck. The whole thing was very strange. This whole thing just never made sense to me and well. It didn't make sense to them either because they divorced I also wanted to mention the finale of the Oprah Show in two thousand eleven. I mean Oprah is life. I don't need to tell anybody that but one thing that I loved. The one season only show that I enjoyed it was on Netflix. It wasn't great but the scripted repulse show. Aj in the queen the Queen. Oh my God. I can't even remember her name. But Ru Hall's character called read something having to do with the color red. I don't remember anyway. She was obsessed with the Oprah show and in her tour. Bus would just rerun episodes via vhs in her bus as she traveled across the country. I forgot what I didn't forget but it was just nice to be reminded. What a huge impact oprah hat on so many and how? She's just so beloved and Oprah really is all that she's just a real treasure an American treasure in the year. Two thousand thirteen only got so many divorces Courtney Cox and David Arquette. I loved them in scream movies together. They divorced after thirteen years of marriage. I blame Courtney Cox's bangs from the ladder screen movies. Those buildings were horrendous. And I can't say I blame David. Arquette sure it might be shallow but you know I'm right. It's sometimes hard to admit when you're right when it's that bad but those bangs were an assault on all of our is in. I still think she's issued an apology for that. So Courtney Cox we're waiting 'til talk the next year in two thousand fourteen o finally marriage and this one's actually still together rapper. Record producer. General Weirdo Kanye West. Married porn actress Kim Kardashian in Florence. I mean the fact that people consider the Kardashians American royalty makes me WANNA jump off a bridge not literally to think that these two have three children together and seemed to be in a somewhat normal relationship. I don't know if I can say that with a straight face and I don't know what my voice just did but they've been together well. I'm going to do some math here. If that was two thousand fourteen. That was six years ago. And Wow I'm going to say that's about five years longer than I thought it would last so we shall see. Oh devastating news. Two Thousand Fifteen. Netflix announced that Mary Kate. And Ashley Olsen will not be appearing on the full House Revival Fuller House. I loved at the beginning of the show will first of all. It was enjoyable at the beginning. Every season of this show gets worse but I love that they call them out. They broke the fourth wall and had the sisters look at the camera and kind of say leg up. We all know why. Michelle isn't here. And they played it up which I enjoyed but I have not heard anything. And this was actually a recent convert in the fanny pack facebook group. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THEM. Mentioning Aunt Becky and her cheating scandal. So apparently there is another half season. That's still to come out for Fuller House. I really hope they mentioned because I hate it when huge things like that happen and the show can't address it. It just seems very obvious so last time they played up this absence. Mary Kate and Ashley. They did such a good job without one. I hope that you do the same for an Becky. Another oof just terrible story in two thousand sixteen. This is when Bill Cosby was ordered to stand in trial in a sexual assault case in one of the many sexual assault cases. I was thinking about it. Isn't it weird? That bill cosby grew up watching the cosby show. That was my fucking jammed dude. I loved the huxtables to think that Bill Cosby is. The Ted Bundy of rape is the craziest Shit. I've heard in my life. I mean if you would've told me in that twenty twenty we'd being quarantine and bill cosby would be in prison for being a serial rapist. I would've told you to write that shit down in a book when truth is stranger than fiction something that we still hear about a lot. The twenty sixteen divorce. This is the day actually that amber herd filed for divorce from fellow actor Johnny Depp. I couldn't tell you anything. Amber herd has done. I'll be totally honest. I know she's a model. Apparently from this source that she's an actress too. I just think it's it's so sad when somebody love growing up like Johnny Depp. Lake Johnny Depp was life. He was everything twenty. One Jump Street was just my heart pitter-patter to see him grow into such a weird old guy kind of like a younger version of John Travolta minus the scientology but equal in the strangeness. It's just so hard to see somebody that you've had such a crush on for so long. Grow to be like a really weird old man anyway. He's not even fifty four or something. So fifty six. Maybe something like that. Anyway Oh this was horrible and an amazing story for this young woman in twenty seventeen the suicide bombing at the Manchester Arena in England killing twenty two and injuring fifty nine happened. That's that concert that Ariana Ground Day was singing in and I'm gonNA sound so shallow and stupid right now but I had really not loved. Arianna up to this point. Though I liked her music I thought she had a really weird attitude. I hated the whole doughnut. Looking thing really really gross me out and she just seemed like I mean the gross like the donut thing was gross but just listening to her and her boyfriend at the time he might have been that guy who died so. I don't WanNa be a total dick here but like the conversation just was really stupid and I was just say. Who is this chick? Like oh she's so dom- this that and the other laugh to say it's sad that it took me this horrible fucking tragedy in Manchester. That made me understand. What a honorable person. Miss Arianna Guerande is the way. She handled herself in represented our country after that horrible tragedy was amazing. She started the one. Manchester Foundation raised a ton of money for the victims and has just done so much has gone back and performed. They're showing that we can persevere that things that are horrible can end up turning us into a bunch of people in this hits really close to home even just revisiting this because of course we had that terrible shooting in Vegas a few years ago on October first and it's just you see these things on TV and it just happens all the time that it just gets closer and closer to your home so there's really good the way our on our handled herself and I'm so glad I'm on T. Mariana now because only she's amazing. Her New Song is live. Oh My Gosh. So good in twenty eighteen. Oh you can tell. These are the days of Metoo in two thousand eighteen actor. Morgan Freeman this associated. I hate it when I love an actor. He was accused of sexual harassment by several women in a CNN report. I don't remember the follow up on that. So if you remember or know please let me know. I'd love to get more information on that but I don't really remember hearing that one progressed too much whereas this one also in two thousand eighteen Harvey Weinstein turned himself into New York police to face charges of rape criminal. Sex Act sex abuse and sexual misconduct. He is still currently locked up. He'll be locked up for a long time. So justice was. I don't even want to say served. But at least he's paying he's paying because people will never get back what he took from them. So Fuck Harvey Weinstein. Damn hard like seriously. Oh Wow that was a lot. I mean Manchester Disaster Bill Cosby's Harvey Weinstein. Let me leave you with something good. Oh this is exciting. I recently interviewed one of the contestants from Bachelor. Listen to your heart. His name is brandon. And my God you guys. He's so dreamy. I really enjoyed him and a half to tell you. If you're in the mood to do some binging highly recommend bachelor. Listen to your heart. It is a musical spin on the show so the dates all incorporate all of the contestants are singer songwriters and one week. Women give the roses two guys the next week. The guys give the rose to the women so it's a very different format the dates rather than just being like generic beach walks and picnics. And Shit like that. They go to studios and record songs together. They play small clubs. They have really cool. Everything revolves around the music. So it six episodes I have to say I enjoyed every second. I have not watched the Bachelor for Probably Fifteen to twenty years. It just became too. Oh One of my favorites. I told my sister. It's so funny one thing that's the same after all these years of the bachelor every time one of the guys are one of the girls needs to interrupt a couple. They always say the same. Excuse me can I borrow so? And so for a second and the date gets up and leaves the person he's talking to go have a conversation with somebody else that's not changed and all the years but now there's music involved and they're all really talented musicians. I'm very excited for the episode. That I did with Brandon. Drop so stay tuned for that. He spilled a lot of reality. Tv T and it was shocking to hear his perspective on what happened versus what happened in the editors room. Oh my God so stay tuned for that. That's coming soon as is a bonus episode. I did with Ashley from the Instagram Account. At Baby Ben Cohen Ashley and I did a Beverly Hills recap so that's coming soon. Also that does it floor. Install gic throwbacks from this week. Entertainment history for this week's birthdays. I would've never mentioned this except for the most recent Beverly Hills episode. John Wayne a birthday. He was born in one thousand nine hundred seven. Do I care about John Wayne or do I think you care about John Wayne? Probably not? But just a throwback to this week's Beverly Hills. We heard that Kyle's house her real estate. She's so boring. I didn't even pay attention to what she said. But something about her real estate having to deal with John Wayne back in the day. 'cause houses from the eighteen hundreds which is fucking cool wasted on. Kyle but then Erica Gerardus husband. Tom said that he had been in a movie or a picture as he said in very grandpa terms that he had done a picture with was it. Pat Wayne something like that. I was kind of bored but well John Wayne was an icon in America. This restaurant that I went to in La called. I think it's Muso and Franks was featured a lot in that movie once upon a time in Hollywood when you sit in one of the rooms. They it overlooks outside area. Like a little parking area and it's weird. John Wayne used to park his horse and he used to sit at that table. So we could watch horse. Isn't that kind of a fun. Hollywood story Yeah Muso and Franks such a Hollywood iconic spot if you're ever in Hollywood and things are open and safe to go to check out zone. Franks if you love a steakhouse anyway in one thousand nine hundred sixty four lenny. Kravitz was born. He's fifty six Helena Bonham Carter of course from. Oh I love her movie. She was in the Fight Club. She was in the king's speech. Harry she is fifty four this year Queen Kylie Minogue. People say that she's like the Madonna of England. Well she turns fifty two this year. Oh my gosh. What Bob. She had in the late nineties. Early two thousands just cake to my head. Oh my God Mazing let's talk about amazing. Can we talk about how Naomi Campbell is? Fifty years old goals goals goals. I mean Naomi Campbell in the George Michael Freedom Video. That video was so good. Naomi is absolute life. So Happy Fiftieth. She's half a century old. Isn't that crazy to think? About real housewives of Dallas's Christie Rice is forty nine. Happy Birthday to her in seventy one met stone. One of the writers and creators of one of my favorite cartoons ever South Park was born. He's forty nine will Sasso. I love this comedian. He did the ten minute podcast with Bryan callen and Chris Delia for years and years and I am just such a fan of his comedy will. Sasso is forty six. This Week Lauren. Hill turns forty five. Oh my Gosh miseducation of Lauryn Hill one of the greatest albums the Fujii's of so many Bob's one of my favorite song to Karaoke to is killing me softly. Oh I really feel that I pour my heart and my soul into that song and it's just so good happy forty fifth to Lauren Hill. Oh and this one is so freaking sad and I am so sad that I only know this person. This young man because of his untimely death Cameron Boys. He is an actor. He's done a ton of television. I guess he has a movie coming out this year. It says he's credited with the projects mirrors and Jesse he was born in Hollywood in nineteen ninety nine and died last year in two thousand nineteen. Isn't that horrible? He was He should have been twenty one years old this week. So hearts go out to the family and friends of Cameron. Boys can't imagine how hard that must be. Oh well sorry to leave you on that. But that's just how a role sometimes thank you. I love you guys are tuning into on this day. Entertainment the podcast for all your TV and pop. Culture Nostalgia and news from today and yesterday. If you WANNA stay in the know make sure to subscribe to on this day entertainment. Wherever you get your podcasts. Remember to follow on This Day. Entertainment on instagram twitter talk and facebook while you're on facebook. Make sure to join the Fanny. Pack facebook group and you can always deep dive the articles. 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EP408: Science of Jealousy, Matterhorn Sports, & Drag Queens
"Hey funny running into you on here. Hello everyone welcome to bring candy. Podcast episode four Zero Eight Guy. Close truckin hello. I hope they have available when it comes time for four twenty episode. That was one of the things I stockpiled before. How is that at some When my what if I run out then I have to be like. Hey Suzy can you supply me with you? Become dealer now. That would be irony right. Wow this is the end of times suzy's like are you rationing or you like today. I can do this much not really. Wow more like on the ED Morla. No Yeah I mean. I guess it's like I find that it's weird because like I'm really. There's a lot of projects to do at home. So sometimes I forget and I'm like Oh right I have weed smoke. It's the you know like 'cause I've just been like you know at nighttime when it's like you know work done and time to like open up. Yeah it'll one or like you know. Have Little session and just relax and watch. Tv I'm like building Ikea furniture. And like you know or senator and like you know hanging stuff on the walls or or cleaning person. Kelly and I were just texting today. About how in our mind we envisioned this time being sort of You know like low key and a little more relaxing than normal life. But at least in my case I have so much more work to do because my son is home so we have to teach them. But I'm still working. Fulltime and my husband is as well and so. I have less time than I did before shows. It's weird. I feel I mean. I saved in the time that I usually spend commuting but I felt I feel like I thought it was going to have. I was going to be bored or I'm not bored. I am not either and I'm like Oh my God. How do I get this stuff done today? I have a longer to do list. I don't know yeah and your house gets Messier. Because there's people gosh ab absolutely you know. They're for real and like the just like the time it takes to clean everything. Clean the kitchen and after like cooking all of our own meals. Because we're doing everything at home and I thought maybe it wouldn't be too bad for you because you don't have a kid but it doesn't make a difference as it no you're still busy Still busy and yeah and then it just you know it's just like swit- kind of the things that you have to do to switch everything or two. Yeah yeah like low tech stuff yes correct and it was like getting that all set up and you know I. I'm just real happy that I'm no longer that I have a desk and I have my office it up because I was like recording episodes with this microphone attached to the Ironing Board and me sitting on a like a foldout chair. That's one thing I've enjoyed on. Instagram is watching like celebrity chefs in their see their setups. Where it's like. They put their phone on like You know box of macaroni and cheese like everyone's just makeshift right now. Oh that's for sure. How make this word my policy as you know and yours is to is like we don't WanNa talk about the bad stuff? We want to keep it. Light had a lot of fun and not really talk about the pandemic One thing I have noticed however just which. I think I was telling you my feeling. Is that things like this. Put a magnifying glass on things that already exist correct so I had said systemically or seeing you know. The class warfare is brought to light the problems with healthcare income. Equality stuff like that child care and then on a personal level you see whether you really like your partner and you're a good parent and all this stuff right another thing that I think. Put a magnifying glass on is how like out of touch. A lot of wealthy people are when I watch story and I'm like cringing because they're showing their pantry or whatever and I'm just like Oh my God most people don't have this stop. How ABOUT SPACE SPACE? That salutes spaces aback resources backyard. I don't have a backyard anymore. Yeah and I. It feels so different if I just had an outdoor area to just go workout in that would I mean you can go to the park and everything that but it's different when it's your own home and you're it is like and and you know there's like I. There is a weird anxiety that I get when I go to leave the house. So it's like. Do I really want to add that into my work like working out already? Like what are they? Say The heaviest weight at the gym. Is the door so that the door is extra heavy when it has covered no stay but yeah. I mean just from sort of a anthropological sociological perspective. I'm finding it very fascinating to see how people behave differently. Under these circumstances what how You know wealthy people behave versus people who are maybe food insecure Blah Blah Blah. I don't know all I can do is find it interesting or I'll scream so that's when choosing to do good and this it's been so alike. Renan. I'm just moved in together. We just started to talk. Nobody was going to expect that we were going to have a pandemic where we would then have to like. Were fantastic Like I mean it's you know it's like normal stuff that like you know we're like normal. It's not like one of those couples who's like. Oh my God no. We never know we have like discussions and we talk. We feel about things but man it has been so like. Oh my God I can live with this person. We are like I am this guy. This is my person well and I would argue. This is one of the worst times for most people. Most people are not at their best when they're fast and scared and all of that so if you can survive this. I think there's a lot of hope right. You know what I was saying this. Everybody I always say this that everybody starts the day with a certain like one hundred emotional dollars and you get to you. Know Divvy though the dollar amount out and if you in like recognizing there are a lot of things that kind of steel those emotional dollars and so when we are in arguments with our partner children or whoever You know kind of taking look like what what. How full is my emotional bank account right now. If you've already spent fifty emotional dollars leaving the house and going to get groceries and then twenty five on like you know worrying about getting when you get home and all that and then you just like your job and all this stuff you are depleted and funds for low at the end of the day so like I doing things to fill that bank account emotional bank account by connection and by you know validating each other and the experience you're going through and how tough this is and then fill that bank account and then go into you know whatever. The discussion is our arguments or whatever but if that bank account isn't full that emotional Ben Count is in full You will be overdrawn and Nia you know Owen more and it's like not good so I have to check in. How can I fill that emotional bank account like have a conversation with a friend you know? Do something for your mental health or Physical Health. And then say okay. Let's engage back with this. You know in the emotional moment easier said than done talk. I'm saying this is like do as I say not as I do. 'cause like all reminders to you know myself all the time as an as is everything that we talk about a that is our advice for you right now but we're GonNa talk about other crap. Okay Man I love other crap. We Love Crap. Stow today I wanted to talk to you about. I was like screw stories about crap. That's what I have no poop stories which is really disappointing. No that's alright will carry on. I've read about a social science project. That's been going on for fifty years which I had not heard of you know loved usually these long ones. You tend to hear about like the marshmallow one. Yes yes yes US yes. They tend to had never heard of this one. It's called the draw a scientist project. Oh yes yeah yes. So they ask the kids at school to draw scientists and then you can over time see if things change in terms of how we perceive what a what a prototype of scientists looks like so when they started it fifty years ago they had five thousand kids drug scientists of five thousand. Only twenty eight drew woman. Which is well. Yeah but I mean it was fifty years. It was still okay so yeah it. We're talking about point. Five percent where women okay so thankfully. They continued test. And currently what would you guess? Is the current number percentage. It was point five percent. I'm going to say you're going to get it. I would say I want to say it's real high. I think it's going to be thirty eight percent. Wow that's a really good guess. It's twenty eight percents. Oh cool yeah. That's that's so much much better. Yep still not great and what we're seeing in terms of the breakdown is even more fascinating. I think and you won't be surprised. I'm sure because First of all the big gap is with boys So the girls drew females forty five percent of the time. Huys and only five percents. Yeah wow ninety. Five percent of boys drew a male scientist. Shannon to those five percent of boys the woman I wonder what their parent field their mothers in I was GonNa say I'm sure they had seen a female scientist. Also known as a scientist say so then. Another distinction is that young girls. Six years old drew females seventy percent of the time because they they see they tend to draw themselves. Yes someone that looks like them but by the time they got to about ten that number goes down too much much. That's where you can see that. They've been indoctrinated from the time they're six to sixteen. You get a lot of messages telling you that a man is a scientist and as such the IT shifts and you start to absorb that information. And that's the part that makes me sad is that it wasn't innate it just you know Yeah Right. That is really interesting. I wonder if you took stereotypically male. What no like. I wonder like when at what age like. Well the same little girls who drew the female. Scientists draw a female trash collector. A female firefighter if female I would. I WOULD WANNA see it expanded to other because if this is just like an age in which everybody just draw themselves as you know. They're worried they've already done this. I love this study. This is great. That's that's what some people thought. Oh they're just drawing it like. It's dismissive like people were trying to say. Oh it's not sexist. It's it's just what people do but when they were asked to draw teacher you can imagine. Yep what they drew and so it was specific to scientists and they did it to other professions as well. I didn't see trash collector. But stereotypically female you know was reflected in that way so we have seen improvement but we got a long way to go and another thing that the article brought up was was whether these people were drawing them as all white. That's my next question. Yeah so the problem with knowing that is we don't know what crayons they were. Given what colors they had as options. So maybe should expand it to include. You know that kind of data would I mean. I think we can guess yeah. Of course. That's annoying. Yeah as not annoying is when you're sitting at home and really hungry and you don't know what to eat and then you like. Oh wait I know hellofresh yes. Oh My Gosh. This is the best right now. Hello it is the best because hellofresh has a system where they send you the ingredients that you need for a really Yummy home-cooked meal right here door. 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Ten for ten free meals including free. Shipping is the perfect time to do this. That's amazing and sorry. My my little tip is I'm an household with only two people but we order for four and then we save it for lunch the next day. Yeah we did that too well. Because we're we're family three seasons. Do we want to four in. That is a good option because then you have some leftover. Okay go ahead. You were talking and I totally interrupted you but anyway this was about I do. I love these types of studies. Because they're so easy to conduct but they tell us so much yes truly. Yes Oh important. While and this this shows how you know I think back to Though the art that we have for sale that the Make Her story. You know female astronaut. And she's like on the moon. And you can customize it like look like however you want and I was thinking like I have one of the like you know printed mockups or like originals or whatever that I have framed and it's of the African American like character like whatever you know but I drew a cartoon curly hair and all that looking super cute and I was like I'm GonNa just save that and I'm GonNa put that up in my house when I have kids because like I want it to be filled with images that represent like a whole bunch of different people and different looks different like you know so like I think about like introducing your kids to scientists introduced them to Neil degrasse. Tyson introduced them to Kate. The chemist introduce them to you know to people who are outside instead of just bill Nye and things like that so what we expose kids to is so important. Representation really does make a difference. Yes I even said that to Adam as I mentioned on the last episode after watching Tiger King. I just was like I get really tired of not. Seeing women represented on screen as much as men. You know even just the amount is annoying to me well on in the same thing. Speaking of the last episode I was thinking the same thing about love is blind and said to ren where are any other they they never have any characters from Asian background Asian cultures on reality shows. It feels like they didn't have anybody it was like the white cast. Then you have a few Black characters or cast members and then you have a few Cast members who are maybe like ethnically ambiguous. And besides that like yeah. It's not ideal and I'm just glad we've come a long way but we got a long way to go. Yeah so we gotta have pictures like that up and read books like that and all that stuff. I read a great article. It was actually from a couple years ago because I'm trying to avoid Pandemic articles constantly. So I go into my little archives and read some things I've been meaning to read and it was a New York Times article about envy and wouldn't envy can teach you and I loved it because let's face it. This is a universal thing. We all have we covet. Whatever it is maybe how somebody looks. Or the life they lead or their success or whatever But they were arguing that you can use it to help you become a better person and also learn more about yourself because they were arguing that envy what it really is is a secret admiration. Do you agree with that? Yes I'm envious of that because I want that and I won them so I admire what they have and I think that's why practicing gratitude can change the because if you become grateful for what you have then it builds up your own feelings of that rather than like feeling towards somebody else. Yeah and it was saying that it can help you become more self aware about your vision of excellence. Ooh 'cause I was just GonNa ask you. What kind of things are you envious of when you see pictures like for me? What POPS INTO MY MIND TRAVEL? Oh like people who are taking all the pictures like on those beautiful islands and beaches with sand and aunt jumping off boats. And I'm always want to be. I want that very noisy. I make when I look at it too. It's got her all in. Yeah I probably envious of youth and beauty in particular Like when it seems like they just lose it naturally. Yeah frigging so a Kravitz. I don't even envy her. I JUST WANNA look at it all day. All Day I started watching high fidelity and I just like the closer. I'm like she's like not even wearing any make up. And you are the most beautiful creature ever and I'm I am envious because I am like admire her so much right. That is it. Yeah and we see it. As you know the ultimate or the goal Ariza's the vision of excellence and how it was saying that that emotion other emotion sort of like come and go like you might be sad one day but then the next thing you feel better whereas envy it says envy takes no holidays and I was like this is true. Interesting sues love is and I love the idea because now it's making me think about all the things that I am envious of like times where I am envious of somebody and how that really does show where your priorities. Our priorities are. I am not envious of fancy cars or check the big now. It's like on her about any of that stuff but if you have like a well. Decorated even teeny tiny apartment and like cute inter. I'm like ooh. I'm envious of that like house decorating which is like something. I care about a ton. I'm envious of People in my in the scholarly world who study would I do have to have more success? Oh yeah you know or get more attention stuff like that? You know like work stuff which you know. I'm sure everybody if somebody's killing it in your field. It's hard not to feel less than yeah. Wishlist ended up the article. There was this passage which I'll read to you The writer said recently. I watched a documentary focused on some people who have committed much of their lives to keeping young people out of jail lying on my couch. I could've gone cynical with something like the system is hopeless but it was manifest that I envied the devotion of these loving generous souls and so I started to last street myself with the thought. That instead of writing about envy I should hearken it to hearken to it and spe- spend more time helping those kids on the brink of falling into the slammer and maybe will so like if you can kind of identify it in yourself and then take a different path and say you know what I can actually just try to be more like that. Yes especially if it's something noble crevice those of the harder ones because maybe you have something that. Zoe Kravitz would would be envious of physically cat. Well it's funny because in this in this. Show there It's just like the movie of High Fidelity if you've seen that but they have at least the main character and so cool because they use the same lines from the movie even the same wardrobe and they gave her the same name as him. Her name's rob and it's so cool. How they do it. I think it's if you love that movie which I do. It's such a cool show and I love how they did it and I'm like quoting this show like along with the show that I've never seen the episode because I know what's going to come next what they're going to say the casting is fantastic. It's all super good So in this show she. She's going through All of her top five worst breakup and then she meets up with them and like see what happened. You know what does it all mean kind of thing and so she meets up with this one woman named cat who's like the coolest and she's like she was so cool. I was never cool enough to be with her. And I'm sitting there looking at the screen like I do believe that. Got Him second. Yeah she's not going to be with you stretch and you know like you could see like Zoe. Crabs like her like acting like she's know kind of You know more insecure around her and I was like. Wow that must have been. She's a good actress. Because it's it's a stretch it was like and they make it so like this girl's an instagram influence. Sir. And it's just a really. I think they did a really good job with this show and I love it so yes I looked Tampa thing now. Yeah I like it. I like Because it forces you to reflect if you can identify within yourself and be like what do I really envy here do I really or yeah and then even if it is a material thing even if it is like oh I envy like that car. Well how do you think that person got that car? I mean given. It wasn't just like you know you're just like that movie. I go back to that American greet isn't America. No what's it called? Generation Wealth Generation Wealth where they're negative. There are consequences there are. There's a trade off so you may envy something for what they have but if it is the big house does that mean that. They're working like crazy and they don't have their like away from their family and they like they're sacrificing something to have that so. Are you willing to sacrifice those same things to have that and if so then yet do that and then there you go but well no matter? What size house you have. Whether it's big or small you're going to want to protect it and that's why you should try ring or if you just want to know what's coming to your door packages or who's ringing the doorbell. If your home or not you can stay connected to your house because everything shows up right there on your phone. 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Sometimes that were it just kind of sits in my mind for the next week or so you know one. How could it not when that's all we're doing on instagram? No joke it's the whole thing but ragging and then being mad that we don't have someone else's life no joke that is exactly what's going on but it has been nice to see how some people I'm like. Oh yeah they're just regular. Yeah I mean you really do have to find the good in all of this stuff. She'll go crazy like pink. Thought she could give yourself a haircut. And so I've been there you know and like Jimmy Fallon's trying to like read his monologue and get through breakfast and his little kid is like a little girl is like slapping him in the face with silly putty and I'm sure they should keep doing that. They should keep doing that. It's so funny. I just discovered that this morning and I'm like that's how every we should change to be like that. That is hilarious right. Because it's a more accurate and it's not shiny it's Israel that's real you know how we feel about reality. Tv feel like well. Not Sometimes real. I saw a really funny video on business insider. I love their feed because they just answers. It's basically right up my alley. Anything you've ever been curious about or didn't know you that even existed they talk about this was about apparently. Ups has a training program for new recruits. And you have they. They set up all these simulations on what to do in certain circumstances so in this factory or wherever the heck it is warehouse. They created this sort of slab of ice. Oh great they strap these people into a full harness like. I don't know what you would wear like almost a skydiving type attached straps that are on the ceiling. And then you have to carry this big ass package and try to navigate the ice and they teach you how to do it safely which I would love to know the answer this. I would like to know that too. Like what's the secret to ice walking yet and as somebody who's grown up in southern California? I do not have a lot of experience so you know anything that you can do to prepare me it. Should I encounter such an event or experience? Please I would love like I don't know if they have this. But do they simulate? Like dog attacks. I was thinking the exact same thing is I'm like what other things. What about just like. What if it were like you know how like ups has to get signatures for something? I what if one of them was just like an enticing woman in a nightgown and you had to like politely. Fantasies hold a ups guy opening the door bureaus typically ups but like anybody. That comes your house like a plumber. Even like a room service person. Well we have very different fantasies that they would be so excited. Oh my gosh you do love enthusiasm. And that's all I like. I just want them to just I can do my job. I need to do exactly right. This is a narcissist fantasy. So funny and you know here I am in my fantasy. I go to their job. I go to the masseuse. You're so much more consent that's great but like I. That's a good question. Do they tell them? Here's what could happen. Someone might come on to you. Well I mean this is a very different industry but one of the biggest things that we discussed in ethics have whole books on is therapy doesn't mean sex and like how like not having sex with your therapist or clients whatever. Oh it's a huge section in the book because that's a big problem. I'll I believe it because I've had that fantasy to will there? You go so well not know with a lady but right. Yeah but I think that's. Yeah so it's interesting. I don't know what do they tell you to do those? Don't do it like you obviously but talk to your client about it has feelings for you. Yeah you can definitely discuss those boundaries because usually that means something that like if they have feelings that there's something about that whether that They feel vulnerable and what they're missing is the ability to be vulnerable with another person. So that like makes seem like closeness or like. It's you know there's so you have to kind of break down. Why the client has those feelings and if you can do that then they you can get the client to recognize that you don't really like the therapist just like the way the therapist makes you feel. And how can you get somebody else that is better suited? Yes more appropriate person to have those same kind of like you know if you can be vulnerable with them and you can help to them. You can get the same kind of feelings from somebody else who football? So I guarantee you. In the same way that therapy it would be fascinating to hear people's true private lives or at least what they're willing to share it would be it's similar with frigging. Ups delivery people because imagine how much of a glimpse they get into. How people truly live their lives. Gosh that funny. Yeah you know whether it's the first thing that comes to your house the delivery that's fascinating or the like what's going on in your house when you open the door or whatever because people live very strange lives they sure do imagine yup. There was an episode of curb your enthusiasm in this new season. Where one of Larry David's friends as a joke sends him a blow up doll? A blow up sex doll and the postman knows exactly what that isn't that box. It says on the Bob Discreet packet. Yes it's from discreet company. I think that's the name of the company like discreet shipping right so funny and then it says on box do not cut with knife. Do not like careful. What opening and so him knowing that then the postal worker I guess has something against Larry. David and goes to another person's house and says your neighbor. Larry David he has sex doll. How do you know that I'm a postal worker? I know what's in those packages? I believe that I was like Damn. They totally know. What's it all those packages? Do you think they really do? I mean not the ones from like Amazon or whatever but some chance I think yes yeah me too damn it I'm not ordering ordering seuss. I'm a private person. What if your mail carriers like mandate sure get a lot of gummy tits and Dick's hair pulling well stuff that comes from this? What does it? What is the that one's called box addicts or baggage? Six Wow they. Get a lot of bags addicts. She loves GUMMY GUMMY. That you liked only like gum and stuff. If it were in the shape of penises think silent laughing. 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Click on the microphone at the top of the homepage type in brain candy that Scams Dot Com enter brain candy. Stay safe my friends. Okay next up on my list Okay there is a secret room already into it. Behind Abraham Lincoln's Lincoln's hairline on Mount Rushmore. Oh I did not know that but like what goes on in the secret room. So the person that was in charge of creating Mount Rushmore proposed that there be a secret cavern where they could put in. You know almost like what's that movie. Nicholas cage was in where they stole the declaration of Independence or something. Oh national treasure. Yes I do. I know that. Wow national treasure. It felt like that where he was like. Let's put important documents and we can preserve like really special stuff from the government. So then the guy that did this he passed away and then his family had to like petition to make his history. Marie reality and so they did and so they created this. It looks like a cave but fancier like marble everything and they have like fancy important documents and just stuff historical stuff and I thought that was really cool and I was thinking about how the pyramids how those rooms and crap in those things and a lot of times. We're like why what's what was the significance. Maybe it was just some guy that was like hey we should do this thing right. Well I mean people would argue the pyramids. We're all the things but those tombs for sure. What is the conspiracy theory again? The pyramids that the Nile River used to flow right underneath the pyramids and they were an energy conductor that would somehow with how water flowed either gave off a home or some sort of light or something like but it was energy because all the walls are more connecting corridors than. They are like rooms there but the tombs tombs and pyramids are different to our where we find the mummies and those have doors with a bunch of stuff. In it like you're saying you know or array right right but not to be a Debbie Downer on this guy and his plan. You are going to pick a secret room to hide national documents. I feel like you're putting it in the most obvious place. I wonder where the national talk he was GonNa be. I don't know maybe behind the president's like that seems like like usually you wanna hide the like big important stuff in like someplace where people won't find it maybe wasn't meant to be a hidden per se preservation and add meaning. I don't know though. Yeah you're right though come on like That's like an obvious what it's like when Lincoln Hides Behind the curtains and you can see his fees below like like. I don't know where it is. No I look at the other one the same. I think it might be the same tribe. Did the Geronimo won the fuck. I'm getting it all wrong. I HAVE NO IDEA. Toronto's person I thought. Yeah Oh right right. Oh you mean like the the The sculpture like the ES. I went to the one. What the fuck is that? I know what you're talking about. Yeah following horror. Yes yes yes that crazy more crazy horse. I was GonNa say wounded horse knows wounded. Knee crazy horse got it. This is so terrible shows. How bad of a job. They did in my generation of teaching native American history. Because yeah I should really know that. And that's terrible the end but isn't it? I went to see crazy horse and I think that it's not done. It's it's been in progress for like thirty fucking years. I remember that too. I remember you telling me this. I feel like they have run out of money. Maybe or something It looks real good but it's not done yet. You GUYS NOT GONNA. Work is interesting. Any huddles moving on But that makes me think of the secret because this is like a a sort of a subject change. But do you know about this? The secret room. That's in the top of the matterhorn. Ooh Leg so I heard. I don't know if this is just Disney folklore or like urban legend or whatever but I heard that in Anaheim in the city where Disneyland is in order for a a single story structure to be a certain height it has to be a sports arena. And so they put a basketball HOOP IN MATTERHORN HORN. So that it technically qualifies as a sporting like a gymnasium or something. See that makes me mad. Like the work around them. His if that's an arena then or like sporting like or something like that. I don't even know the exact words but and that's a dumb rule. Anyway right why would only sport buildings need to be a certain height and nothing else like more like one root like one one story could only be? I think that you had to do with. I don't know maybe like like Structurally like an order to to not build buildings that weren't structurally sound. Oh great so. The matterhorn is basically like a death trap with the basketball. I don't think that maybe when they developed this rule they were thinking that somebody would go and build a mountain that was hollow in the middle of the city. Like that seems like maybe a little more like but if somebody were like. I'm going to build this house and houses can only be one story. Okay well I'm GonNa make that one story fifty feet tall people would get around it in that way like the opposite Words like Oh if that rule isn't there then I can be. You know like make a House. One story Super Big and then that would allow views. I'm just playing the other side of it is even real. I know there's a bunch of people who love Disney out there so I hope somebody tells me because I know everything everything so. My brother is basically like an honorary doctor of Disney more. I should ask him I want. I'm surprised that has become one of those. Phd's that people get signed their own. Wills if will Smith NOPE. We'll short did it with games and puzzles He was like the first doctor of Puzzles and so two honorable right. I know and now but now mad because crossword puzzles are frigging gendered and the Patriarchy is heads handed that to after I learned that on a few episodes back from everything is so you know now. I'm like years shorts anymore. No here's a Trivia Disney Trivia. That my brother. Paul told me he was talking about how technically speaking like in terms of the record books there have been no deaths at Disneyworld because Disney world is like a sovereign place. So it's it doesn't have to follow the rules of for example like the city of Orlando winds somebody and they have their own police force and everything so when somebody does die at Disney they take them off property and then declare them day outside so technically his the happiest place on her. I'd God or at least most alive puts on her. There's all sorts of things like that and it really is fun to learn because you see how not only was disney creative genius. I think it might have been his brother. Roy that was sort of the business genius but my God. They covered all the bases. They thought of everything. Yeah that's crazy eight. I'm you gotta tip your hat to that ingenuity that that would that's a big one to have to just go because then man. I wonder if I guess if you're trying to keep somebody oh they pronounce them so like technically they could die. Okay so it's not like they're waiting to see you dead. I see they just dead until they're off the rush. I was watching. I've been doing a lot of watching a lot of stuff lately so like every story say. I'm like reminds me of this thing. I saw Netflix. That is not the show explained. Thank you people but there it was just like some medical drama and they were one of the doctors was like transporting somebody that he knew was going to die after like recovering from the surgery. That didn't go well to another hospital or some other hospice so that they could keep the doctors numbers up and now Trent like. This was a medical drama but like Amanda. Thank like people fucking doing this. Because like I mean you know. Art Imitates Fiction. Yeah I'm I well imitates life fixing but yes I mean this yeah. That's that's creeps me out. I'M GONNA keep my head this on those things. Yeah ooh that took a dark turn. Did you see on our instagram encouraging? Our brainiacs to take a free course at Yale Oh cool. Yeah the most popular chorus. That's the happiness. Of course. Yeah you can sign up. I want to ask the professor. Do you know it's a woman? She's real cute. She has brown curly hair. But I'm sure what her name is. And She Opens it up for free to anyone that wants to take it so you can watch all the lectures and stuff and it's just really. I'm interested in this subject because I study Prosperity Gospel but I mean even if you just want to know the science of wellbeing it's fantastic. That was my favorite class in one of my favorite classes if not in Undergrad was The psychology of happiness I'm surprised that they've well. It's helpful just to understand human behavior. It's very hard to put things into practice. And that's the professor said that to that like you would think that because I teach this class that I'm like doing great but humans are very hard to like untrained. Yes you know to shift our natural behaviors in tendencies but just a few things that I learned on during the first class that I thought were notable We in America prescribed anti-depressants at four Hundred Times did twenty years ago four hundred times and that is shocking now granted. There are a lot more drugs to be used now than there were twenty years ago but still. That's not that long ago. It's not that long ago and that's like after the second like a second wave of pharmaceuticals I think. So that's like once we've already had the a lot of the newer stuff I mean. Twenty years ago. It was yesterday really. Yeah for sure. And she was when she was describing how. She's still make the same mistakes. Everyone else does she was she calls at the Gi Joe Fallacy. Which is knowing is not half the battle because we all know that. What makes us better as spend time outside to meditate to have routines to be connected with our community? But like we don't do it. This is what I go. I was talking about last week on the last episode on the The ABC's of we want to make that change. We want to do it. We know what those things are. But we don't have a way to turn it in to like a make it a reality to like translate that want into action in our life so we have to come up with a formula to do it in work. It's you have to be super. You have to prioritize that and we're tired so tired but it's like we don't do the things like why do we do that? Why do we know what's good for us what we don't do it? It's so right it's the curse of humanity. But you know we just got to try to do our best one of the things. I like about the classes. The it includes some things like quizzes that you can take to learn about yourself so that they love that. Yeah knowing your own strengths and weaknesses can be helpful in determining which approach will improve your wellbeing so like my greatest strengths were A love of learning humor and love like ooh but my worst were teamwork and prudence like like caution or just being careful and things like that but I think anyone that took that quiz would really enjoy hearing what they're good at and what they could use some work in. I am going to finish this. Take that quiz immediately. After we're done recording. Yeah because then you can whatever she teaches in the course or wherever you read or whatever you then can filter through that lens of knowing. Here's what I'm good at. Here's what I'm not and make adjustments. Accordingly yes yeah and it's kind of like learning what you know. What kind of body type? You have how you responded like what food yet the Diet is the best for you. Because it's nice you can stick to. Yes there's not a one-size-fits-all and then you know. Because they could say. Oh you just have to exercise a neat. Well well that means a lot of different things to a lot of different people and like you know different things work for different people and so that's a really good way to approach it. That and I just wanted to remind everyone. If they didn't sign up they still can. It's totally free. And you know it might give you something to do while you're in your house and maybe a little wanting wanting to learn lawyers. This life is disrupted. Yes yes I love this next up a read a great article about the history of lip. Synching Oh my gosh. That is so funny. Who knew even a history fell? Well it was doing it. Through the Lens of repulse drag race. Yes which is sort of a celebration of a lot of things including lip synching in the performance of that And it was talking about how you we take for. Granted that lip synching is just thing and it never. It's sort of like the high five like it's just a thing Ryan but we've learned that was invented somewhere. Yeah exactly and like that because there was a moment when there was a musical that was being made way back in the early days of film and they were singing it onset and it just wasn't working and it wasn't coming across the way it was supposed to hard also to dance and saying well at the same time so one guy on set was just like hey we should do this and you play the track and then you guys. Just sort of simulate that you're singing and we would all think of course but that was the first time. Yeah isn't that weird I guess when you really think about it why would anyone have ever done it before and here I was thinking it was vanilla who invented that they talk about it. How you know then you had this thing. Put into bars. It was sort of like a jukebox. But it was called a scope atone and this Copa Tone would play music but then they needed like visual imagery to go along with it and this was before music videos. And have you ever Seen Nancy? Sinatra's boots are made for walking. Oh you know what I feel like. I've seen like a clip of it probably. Yeah because they are. They're white boots. Yeah I've seen this yes I don't remember it like I remember the looks like Nancy. And all these ladies are just sort of dancing on a stage maybe like a live performance for a TV show or something. Ba- really was to put in the scope atone so that you could see all you know something while the song played and they lip sync to it and They did that with a lot of songs. And then of course we have the monkeys remember. That whole show was fucking. Oh my God lip synching. I didn't know that. Yeah because they were like not really talented even though they are and they should be in the hall of fame. Don't get me started that song. Hey with a monk that a fucking Damn Yeah? They have a lot of bazars arrest tanks and then member the George Michael Freedom Video when all the Super Bowl's Yup lips also an amazing video. Great Video Great Song then. Of course you have the Mili- Vanilla Scandal Elian member The CNC music factory scandal where they had Martha Wash sing the refrain or that sort of yelling and then they put in a hot lady. All I didn't know that yeah good. I'm glad that was one of the first CDs I owned and I shut me too. Well the cassette factory burst one. Look at us. Yeah I should clarify Martha. Wash is hot too. But she's not hot in the eyes of the industry because she's considered you know too big or whatever at that time now to be in the music video so she sued she got the money whatever anyway and then they show they included in the article. A lot of links to famous drag performances. Where before drag was a thing it started till like be developed into a true artistry and bled up to what it is now where it's like fucking true art. Ask what these drag Queens do but I was just so fun to read because who is even think to put all that on a time line of like here's how lip synching began and where we are today so interesting. It really do you. Would you say your lips inker? Yeah because I know a lot of lyrics is what about you? Yes and I also think you're a good lip sync because you do the little extra things they have in the you know what I mean like like the you hear that you you do it like I think about us lip synching. It's raining men and we forget that is true. We cry we do. We are the best at lip synching. That's on the other things green. You know you have to add. I've got true and like the spoken word. Ha Ha you know God news for Yes. Listen there you go right Sara yes and you gotta get the movements and do like like you know what it's exactly like what a good drag show. Has You have to have exaggerated mouth to go along with the words and attitude attitude right Yes work yes there you go all right. That's all I got. Gosh I love it Man Well I want a nice escape from hell and I want to just like like dangle out a little like exciting. Ooh history of for next time. Because I can't wait to bring you the history of the phone. Oh no I'm so happy right now. I know I see you would be so. I just leave that as like a little teaser for the next episode. Oh I'm here for that. Thank you Sarah and thank you for listening. Please don't forget to leave us. Five star view means so much. And we'll see you next time bye bye.
Love Islands Lauren Coogan Tells All
"It's China fernow places I. Low I'm Ashley River Baker, and you're listening to the honesty entertainment podcast. Thank you so much for your patience with me. I have taken a much needed mental health break but I'm back bitches and I am so excited to come back with a vengeance. My favorite show of the summer has been love island, and if you're not watching love island, you have got to get your life together. It has been the highlight of a shitty ass summer and I am so fortunate that I got to talk with the Lauren Coogan from the island and when I say island I mean Vegas because we're in damn quarantine well. She dished on all the things we need to know from her friendships made on the island. What really happened that we didn't get to see the guys, the dates, the logistics of filming a show at a Pool Beach. Club. All of it is mentioned. We talk about her eyeliner, the classic cat I we mentioned it all. So without any further ado, here's Lauren. Ugly Lauren Holy Moly take my breath. Nice to meet you. How are you doing? Go My gosh the pleasure is mine I feel like I already know that. saw. Most life now that you're not in Vegas not on the island. Hits good. It's been like a law coming back. And just kind of like seeing everything on social media and I still haven't watched the show I've only seen clips. So I've seen like bits and I put things from my friends and family and kind of like can guess how it's contrary. I haven't seen all of it which he knows ridiculous I feel like I've seen it through instagram but I haven't actually sat on like watched the show I should probably do. You will. It'll eventually have been and. From the people that I typically talk to, it's always a real adventure to see how it always plays on TV I. Know I know 'cause I I've heard that like what they chose to show was completely different from what happened and that's one of the things I was curious like what's the edit light but do you feel like you're properly portrayed? I'm in I I haven't. Seen it like completely threw but like I don't know I think that like yeah like the beginning and everything was great and then I feel like it got less and less than seventy things happened in the house that didn't. Get shown like off my mom like this half of what happened you know with the situations like note that was shown and I kind of think that it was obvious that they had like storyline to portray. And then. Like. A lot of things just went on that and so I think that you know you come across a certain way or like with the I guess they didn't show. Me and Trey in our conversations that we were like, okay we're like a friend couple. To give each other more chances to me somebody that you actually vibe witness worry and so we were up front about that and how many conversations and when I first Scott. At the first recoupling. He was like, don't worry like you're good. You're safe, and then we're going into a friend couple said that Carrington had more time to pick me the next time. which was what was about to happen and then Arielle Chan It's fine. We thought two boys were coming in. So me cares during the whole time we're like fuck everybody like to new boys are coming in like we'll stop fresh and then it just didn't happen that way. So I feel like it all happened so far. That I was like. Okay I need to know how can you just be friends with trae? Oh my God, that may like him I like I don't know if I could ever even have a conversation like this with them because it would be like instant foot in the mouth like he's. On that island that look The bill. Yeah I can't have. Yeah. That's so funny I mean everybody outside. Type. In you know when you see people like you know you feel a certain way but. He was so cool and so genuine and like really good guy and like when things were moving a little faster at one point with had to step in and be like, Hey, remember. All had like this whole meltdown that they didn't show. and. Then after we talked about adding like me jumping on the bed every night because of the snoring like you know I like I feel like this is to physically. conce leave. So. Yan and then we talked about it often staffing we were like, no, we're good like he and he made me feel great uncomfortable and he was awesome like I'm kind of just feel like, why didn't we just play it up? and. Fake it and he would have been easy to fake it with by you know we were trying to be genuine, but he's super cool. You should. You should slide in those dams because I'm unsure on. Jillian girls living in that man's DMZ. What how crazy are your DMC? They're crazy. They're really crazy So many people being so nice and like so lovely and you know. Supportive and and also, and then so many people are being horrible like I made the mistake of 'cause I tried it on twitter and like the ratings went up when I went in. So I was like, okay. So what's this out and made the mistake of going on and looking at like the Hashtag of my name and I was like No way like people with so so me and you know it's funny because you're like, okay fuck out like this is just somebody's sitting like no big name but you remember the mean ones you remember the meeting comments and then all the nice stuff it's coming in you kind like over locate, which is crazy but it's just what like the human brain does I guess but like the like the tweets for overwhelming and I was like Oh my God I sit up like an hour just going through them like this. What people really think is this why look? Like everybody doesn't need anything I'm from England like. All right now. Yeah because my because my aunt McCain knew was going to be a thing I. Get all the time like when I'm in England everybody's like you sound so America and then when I'm here on some pressure. So it's just a mix up when I was hit back and forth I even read them in your accent lake. Accent right but I've lived here since I was like thirteen twelve came in middle school. So it just is what it is. You know. That's a long time. That's like half my life So the voice that is what it is, what people orientated like I'm the lost person that would come in and put on a fake anything let alone accent that I can't do. Just like not. Not Not but. Yeah like twitter was wild and I was like I will never do that again and I will not read them like just I went in thinking. People would going to talk shit more about my body and so I was like, okay like people are going to say this or maybe going to find like. That's what I was having but people just roasted my face. Sorry like all by God I like people fighting in the comments like analyzing being like she got a nose job like she has fillon. Jaw looks like a man and he was like know like. Along we'll just the fact that the lake stunning men in the villa? Lost their minds. The girls were like instantly threatened. But like you try, you'll check like you can come off when I know you're not watching now there's a whole new group of girls. I've heard. and. Maybe. People might not have missed you at the time, but now with this new badge. And I liked you on the show I was a fan I am and but like I'm thinking I, Miss You more on the show with these girls. It was like you have been hearing. How could we add it? So. Right exactly. I've actually been hearing that I've got a lot of people would what do you think about customer and I think that goes are coming on really strong right? It's. uncomfortable. Honestly said. I've seen clips, but I think that I mean, I, wonder if I'd have gone in cancer more. Seeing how I got voted off because I wasn't like going straight for the man and you know because I could have been like put my foot down picked any one of them and if I'd been more fullwood and less specific goals feelings then maybe I'd still be there. So I think they watched the episodes I think up to one before they go in. So probably they were like I need to come in strong grab my man like say how I feel. So. I feel like. I don't know if that came into play or if they're just very forward balanced but that's that's just not my style and like leaving at my mom and my family was like we so glad that you just stuck to how you are and didn't throw yourself on someone. Because you know I don't know how I'd feel about it now, but I was like, okay this will actually progress and it was but I just didn't get the time. So you can do something that you wouldn't really do on the outside for something to stay. Longer on the show I mean at least I can't. So I did and it didn't really lucky my say. Going do. So that makes me curious What's your relationship with reality? TV Do you watch a lot of it or competition dating shows Garnier thing? That'd be weird if I was my bag but Love. Love Reality TV like I love the real housewives of Beverly, hills saying my head's re saying I watched I ac- sometimes but I I for real housewives. I Love Lie. I wanted to do this. I never thought about doing richie and I was watching the English. Love Island and like I literally watch it and be like. No No. These people are crazy but also and very real and they play the editing different and everybody when not showed. Up was like you have to be on his shot like you've been playing love island since you were kid like. With the guys that you day and so I just kept hearing on then I was like I love the show I want to do it but I mean the I love Allen's TV I love the actions. Of Just WanNa Watch like trash TV and get your mind off sayings and just like laugh at make fun of them and I was like on now I, mean one of those people. Yet. Nine feels to be on the other end of twitter. Going on trolling in the first place now. No I mean I done but you do like I shouldn't have gone on and read it and. I just like Oh, my God especially for a show that has such a history with like sings going wrong and an like mental health off to the show that you think people would take that into account but they just don't, and I wonder if it's something about the way to show is that makes people feel that they are very involved. So they can say certain things that you just would never say to someone. Or what that is, but it's just it's very interesting that I'm like I just would never think to reach out to like anybody even if I thought, they were crazy on tbn like you are this or that or not like your ugly terrible nights one house. So many people really feel like that Aaron are involved enough that they have said. That's just it's so heartbreaking to me how people get draws crazy. After this and they don't deserve it now to reality TV with different motivations and. The. I. Really. This is my first time ever watching love island. It's never been on my radar on our. Just because I'M IN VEGAS I've been to raise the jillion times like, oh, cool. I, town like the whole clan on appeal was very attractive to me. But yeah maybe as far as like maybe I'd be I'd follow reality TV pretty closely. I don't write Americans newest much about that whole mental illness, the mental health illness but God, I don't even write. cyberbullying from what I understand. I think, yeah I been five suicides in like four seasons for five seasons. So all the starts yes. Yeah. It's it's bad and also the host. Because the show in England was like a phenomenon and all of these people are coming from small towns all over the country and then being thrown into I. Think it was the biggest show of all time. I'm on my TV like highest ratings like Lebanon is as thing, but it's a different trial. In the way they do it really feature be people in all sides of that penalty. So it's not like you're a car control of your sounds like you really are supposed to. People's love these people hate his people and you will then cost out into like mega fame I think that people were not ready didn't know how to handle it and you never know what personal battles different people are facing. So. Yeah. I definitely crazy. But I I think you're right. I don't think that the Americans know or no. Either the English stout extent or like everything that had happened with But you know it's just crazy. It's something about the Charlotte. But yeah, that's definitely definitely a thing. That's why I think people I call just in general the British Museum press on. A nightmare and they are even worse than the American Press You could save you know just how they will with like Meghan markle different how they speak about people which now because of love island I think is changing. But Yeah I just saw in general that Americans are like Nice and So many have been, but it's just like you know. It's just we had reading it like. From like fed passing, be with you that you're like like. People. Thank everybody has an opinion and. Executive just trying to you're going to be a different person to everyone you meet like that. You can link control any of that or you know. It I was say I'm just not reading it. I'm not gonNA read it. Yeah. I don't blame him. Home a lot of questions from the Vegas just because the logistics of how this worked is just. Curious. So Ranch Rachel Nicole. From the Las Vegas Chapter of don't tell comedy was curious about the Kobe testing going in and like. Testing for route like how that works. Yes. So we would tested regularly quarantined in another hotel full two weeks at least to fly, and then you are in your grim on total lockdown like you can't even open the Dole you have a handle that talk to that gets all the things that you need. But like you couldn't go outside and so they would come in tested you in three days later you get positive or negative protest you I, think every. Three days we do the nasal test in the mouth swabs into they were very strict. And you couldn't leave your remnant once cleared for code that after a certain amount of time than you could get like Jim or pool time or whatever. It was an but mom, the hand sanitizer like every. We didn't come in contact with anyone. So you'll going into this house full of people full of energy moving stop right after you've been completely isolated like no fun known T. V. no access to the Internet and then no human and and then thrown into like everything all at once. So it's crazy but they were really strict and they were really good with all the stuff they follow the regulations and like everybody was like safe. That's really cool but it was so nice to be able to talk to people without passed on like. It. Or Young? That just seems. Crazy Times I say strain walking through like casinos, different places where usually it's like bustling with people and it's just like a ghost town and it's gotten better. I think than what it was but. It is strange. I mean, coming from La to we were on complete lockdown and. Going into like full counting and seeing people and being around like Oh, we're allowed to play these games and do stuff like it's it's It's strange times I don't to say about it. It's insane. So. Also just curious things about the villa I noticed the girls when you guys would all take your makeup off I noticed everybody used those lake makeup remover Rad's did you guys not have access to sink slick? Were they're like limited zinc's there. I don't know where my brain thing. These are the things that yet. I'm trying to think what do you mean every? Makeup licensor. Yeah. I just feel like all the girl sitting at the vanity taking their make off with wipes and Mike does everybody on this cash just love those makeup point removers or is there like a limited amount of seat space? And Limited sang's but. No I don't. I think we were like. A challenge and then come back and we have you know you're on a time frame. So I think it was just like you know quickly take the makeup off, take on and then like you know in the morning and night like you've got the showers, wash your face into, you could go anytime but I guess they just don't show that definitely washing our faces like in the ball room, but it was like further away. Got It. Okay. I think it was for quickness unlike by the end of it, my face hoops so bad because like like my skin literally feels like scales from just being in Vegas of having. Cannon and putting makeup on I usually will anyone make up Once a week when I'm going out and like my face just her I was like uncommon makeup up another day. But I think you have crazy. Everyone hated my makeup anyway I was like I should have just one nothing. I wore the classic Lauren. Cat Is for you today in honor. Kenya. Don't usually go this drug actually feel pretty fears. Wow See I. Think I felt fears to if I got it right or known how to do it but just like dot happening and it was so early flawlessly and like went in I'm so funny too because all my friends were roasting may because they were like we watched you sit there and practice that Damn Cat I. The weeks and I watched like tutorials and like all the I'm GonNa nail this and not makes it even us that I think thank God. Really all the means there was so. Well. That kind of makes me love you even more for whatever word like your committee had I think is something to really be proud of and I think you did a really job? No. No they were good. My only thing, and this isn't a youth thing. This is just I think when all you guys look back and it's not something you would predict but like Vegas is so hot and it's so. Unbelievably bright that like I don't think that. There should keep kind of coaching everybody about like makeup there. Right like how their Yeah. Were Down with the heat and different things and you know it is really a so hot to your makeup sweats off in like five minutes but right or like a makeup artist but then it's you know to stage honestly that is. Read with your friends. You have five minutes sometimes you look like Shit sometimes you look gray you know it kind of is limited but I, I thought that was so funny. I was really the one day with the most footage is just like Fog. Well I especially disagree with you on that I. Think you're lovely being on I mean honestly late that island could they have been like more beautiful people it's ridiculous. They will be useful. The guys are. The guy the girls are just everything. They really are it was a beautiful cost. Some logistical things the sleeping arrangements you guys are all in one room. We know traced snores. Excuse me for being crude but like did anybody have gas throughout the love island experience counted that. I know not that I was aware of I guess everybody like held it together I'm not sure but didn't seem like it. We're all just like a robots. Don't did you have separate toilets than the boys league bathrooms now? No they were the same. We would get ready in the grocery store in the boy stressing, which was a little bit more separate. I would get my makeup done super-quick, and then I go hang out in the boys Brim. which they didn't show any of them so much money like things would go down and we would just make fun of each other in the but like that was caught and No there was like a shower upstairs, the one that keeps in. Carrington you where you saw the shower together like you could just going out and Xiaowen. Then there was some showers in the back in like a bathroom upstairs but not everybody was just like using the same. Few author and. Again. I'm sorry but like. In case you had to go to the bathroom like was there could have privacy away from the Boise's yeah they. Abandon him above like the dressing room that was like a one bedroom and then behind the showers and stuff that was on a bunch of separate toilets. Thank God because I was so worried like I. I'm married now but like even just going on vacations with boyfriends in the past, it's like, okay, we're so. Like what like yeah, you're have like one in the lobby like I'm sending him out for coffee and making. Audible. Funny or the new hotels the Nice hotels like the shallows and like everything is completely glossed to the bed. I'm like, who if you WANNA can a new Terrible we'd like it's all just open floor plan a retirement like please be like closed off. Oh my gosh I went to a hotel that and I was actually with a girlfriend. We had no idea. We'd be like watching each other shower naked but. You have no choice. You're just like all right. This is what it is Mike to when I was in the. Villa. Putting on my turning lotion and so go away some not just like owning the shit all over me. In the downs in front of everybody so I would go to the showers and just hope no, one would come in like button naked Legis rubbing the signing stuff all over me. Then I'm like, what? Like who in production here house this footage every day I like, hi, whoever's watching this great dealing. Here we go. Again, this is. How. Long does the crew stay in the room as you sleep? There was no crew in the rumors sleeping. It's all Yeah. I think it's all like microphones in the bed, the Mike different cameras that are set up old around the house. So it was not make a hand held micro microphone. That's why we hear all. Yeah. ooh. What's going on too narrow under those sheaves. That's funny. Yeah. I haven't seen that I'm not I didn't. have any of that. So what? What reality dating shows have you watched in the past besides Love Island? What, what ones bachelor have you ever watched like the bag now I've never seen a love is blind seeing the Botula have watched like two episodes of von or ABS now. Now I don't think I've seen that I know everyone is obsessed with the bachelor and the Bachelorette and I had a lot of would like he needs to watch slow but I haven't seen it. But I know that people like die for. START WATCHING YEAH I don't watch that show either not regular now. Yeah, now I. Might Bucket very full with Bravo I'm like you I. Am a Bravo Hong. Love my housewives me to BRABHAM IN A. Die For the. Best, how we're handling the news of the Kardashians going off the air I just found out yesterday my friends came over and they're like. Wow. If feels like the end of an era in alienated I like we grew up with just knowing that they were going to be on to. down like I wonder if you know what happened. If something happened that like was the catalyst for that or if you're just time, they've made enough money I mean. The cultural impact of that from like real you know and reality TV like is crazy because used to be only reality TV was lawful. But now we have the the most important or influential person in America I think is arguably Cam and now she is getting people out of jail and the president was from reality TV and the. Princess of England TV, show it completely changed and I think precautions where a large part of lake slipping on its back and being like. We're actually you know here to stay and to to. Have a big impact is wild because. We like reality was trash. It's still behind. It you can do a lot more with it, which is very crazy. They relieved to change society so much whether you are van or not like to think about I was on a podcast the other day, and we were talking about just like the standard of beauty and I grew up I was a teenager in the nineties and I just think that George Michael Freedom video and there's Naomi Campbell. Cindy. Crawford Tall Lean. On us, yeah, and then. I was like super skinny and then it was like. Gulls next goal, and then it was everybody was like that the skinny with huge tests and hours and then Cam. Thank God. Because I wouldn't have stood a chance back that and that I was like she really it. Okay. For like you know covey ago with like full of figures to be You know like appreciated and. Lodging, caught is down to US home Q. I'm. Because Back. Then when everybody was like literally like so tiny an old belong a platinum blonde like she slipped at unchanged at just the standard of beauty. It's funny house route time it frozen changes and there's always certain people like Marilyn Monroe or who influenced that and she I mean those Ohio It's again whether you're fan of or not. They changed the world we live in. So it is definitely a big resigned. I. I. Definitely. Let. So candle light. Kendall's like by far my favorite and I just hope we see her so much. Today that it allegedly her Chris wanted like forty million from e and they were like girl and that's why they split Braley off Chris's financial demand. I mean you know Kris Jenner get it done I don't know who else can for real but what's to forty million season for each all I know how that would work out like this is just something I was kind of scanning for mini. Yeah. That number just like stood out knows like holy moly how much money are you making for them? They're making so much money and but I guess now they can make it on social media and like everybody has their own things that they do but I'm surprised that he felt that it was time to let that go. I mean that I mean, you know utter. seriously. Yeah. I mean and but they've often so much has changed with that to that. So many like great shows are like now no longer gonNA on the ass on like what's what's that gonNA mean for reality TV it's going to change and shift is like something's gotTa need to fill that. Void. Right, I as reality TV lover I'm just hoping we'll see a bunch of like on cut footage like I. Just WanNa see was things like those conversations you're afraid to. If you guys sitting in their dressing room to just talking shoe, just give me that I don't need any now. Be. A hundred percent because it's so much more interesting and funding, and you see you're not like you sit down and we have. A conversation and then you're talking like relationship, it's just like facts and stuff. And you don't get to see like. Why that person feels comfortable to be like, I WANNA pick for this because you're missing all the moments that are happening that. Also, it's like twenty, four hour ton of so that must be stone much footage to edit and pick and stick for to make sense but. Your like you. Missed footage of like Caleb, teaching me how to Choko Ronnie in the dressing room and like he found like making fun of everyone. An also a lot of the boys like my mom was like this person's coming across kind of boring understand. I was a key was so funny. who was I think Calvin was such a quogue. So honey and like everybody loved him and then my mom was like, oh, they don't really show like much of him being silly or like Caleb Super Intelligent and really funny like his own way and we would like play charades and. you just get to see more of like the interactions of people but I guess they have you know they. They PICK WALKOUTS PERSONALITY THEY A. Run went but you know everybody. So multifaceted the There's a lot more Tabibian, not villain, the relationships that they don't show, but you know. It's a timing thing. I. Guess It's like get it going so that they can couple up movin change were any of the girls that you were really surprised by that you got to know him really. Wow I didn't expect it to be like this. Yeah. Me and kissed sandwich. They didn't show at all because it didn't fit into the narrative of. Carentan was so close that like by the end of it We both like I don't even want to stay here. If one of us has to leave an Mike, we have this whole competition by the pool and we'd like sat there and she was just saying how she felt and she was like you know I wouldn't be treated like this on the outside and I don't WanNa look back and you know see that I like let somebody run all over me and Then I. I think that you should. You know go through gut feeling and she did one hundred. Carrington ended things I was like honestly like if you are going to feel some type of or be sad about me covering up with him, then I won't do it honestly like I love him law and like. Show Eddie of that they just showed me coming in big a huge bench and like she when she saw like when I was leaving, she was like I don't be here like if you're not here and then some of the when I was in Warrenton again when I was kicked out one like here's the saying in the each out this morning and I was like. And they were like she literally sat there and cried thirty minutes and was like, Hi Miss Lauren like am I worried about her in that sense I hope she's doing good eggs and clinics. Please stay strong the I want you to win you need to do this the release Mitch. Yonder said they didn't show that in immune just seen also a really close with make fun of each other and like all of the Times that we would do terrible makeup and clothes. Kind of just go back and forth and so many times to in the. Dressing rooms I wouldn't attempt to the liner and like one is going up here on what I was going on here in just. Like. It's the light of her meager like take it off often. So then I'd take all my makeup off and do it again or if somebody was like if Mackenzie had a brain just to be like Schneider brain or like if you wore something shiny, she'd like should I wear something shiny Super Funny. And Yeah like they painted a certain way and then I'm like, okay. So I hope toner with everything with Mackenzie to help them get together and it made it look like I was trying to steal him and I'm like, no would like to hideaway. McKenzie's wearing my Rovan Mike Michael Shoes I was like where this get ready in like none of that made the cut so. Yeah it's interesting into You know to follow a storyline with when might you know so much more is actually going on, right? Wow, that's so interesting. You yourself you wouldn't think. So right DC yourself hanging out with the girls after the show's finished a thousand percent here like actually have missed her like every day. I was like like I hope she's doing good in that Kit with obsessed I know every time you. seriously. Like dude arm child Geno said no girl like bouncing. Go over my clothes messy enough as it is I cannot get with get with the. Two Year, you gotta get like this to glasses of wine that they give you your. Take back for the night like quick. So they give you want to drink. Sometimes. Yes sometimes they'll. You would have like you get to bosses applying but pretty like on it Did they let you drink more than that if you want. Or? Oak At night like that. That I don't like seeing people so sloppy all the time and just doing the right. Lane with the crew that was. Like we if I mean and then after Pointon and not drinking the chew glasses of wine or not. But we would have been a different show like if we were allowed to get completely wasted, I looks like. It for me and like how I can I drink I'm kind of like, thank God because it could just goes so laughed. and. I think that's what they don't want. They want you to be kind of you know to keep composure a little bit and be like real and authentic and people would definitely be fighting and have a lot more to say off you. Also some wine which I think would be very interesting but that's not a show you know CBS. TV a right, and I feel like. Like up until like your arrival like I feel like everybody in that I grew in you and like the newer guys like Caleb I feel like they're genuinely lake of course, like there's prize money. Of course, that's appealing but the goal is to find a relationship I don't feel with the new girls, the new girls at Casa a more. More. Yeah. It doesn't feel the same. You feel like they're just trying to win get on TV hookup rival the end, but not looking for like a real not all of them. Of course, that's a general statement but Yeah. There were a lot more real ones in the original group. And beginning I think so too I think so too August. Who knows who goes on any of these shows for whatever reason but I made definitely some game players who are in it for the money like you know what I mean more cloud or whatever it may be, and I think also everybody. is going to naturally go in that and like of course, you WanNa win you WanNa, find a relationship that would be incredible and then come out of there and you something like up it would be stupid to say that you didn't like the new would just be lying. So I think some people may be more favored prize money some people more favorite relationships people wanted clough like who's to say but I can honestly say that like I never saw about not never thought about because I was like down by the money that'd be cool. But I wasn't like I'm obviously. Have Gone harder for the guy is but like thinking that I was GonNa win and I was like if I do and I feel like the money's just gonNA disappear or they're going to be like just kidding like you don't actually get it or something like that. Just like that money was like so far away, right? Well I think you did an amazing job on the show I just wish we would have sunk to see more of you your performance. Like seriously. Thank you. They have even animals like why the fuck would she win because they cut out from the down the slide through the whole thing and I was like. One I like went so hard like with like the crawling and the guys all spraying everything to me. I looked at one point and I was like Oh. My God. What is happening? Everybody's faces. All. Thank God honestly but. Yeah, it was fun that. So from your perspective, watching all the other girls, who do you think just laid it out at the car wash? Yeah. Which girl do you think did the band everybody has like a completely different style? So like Hairston went down and she hers was like Russia's like. Fifteen minutes long that I was like Oh my God. What is like? Yes like she was like she was getting her shots and I loved like she did amazing. and. It was just like a rehearsed photo shoot up like fluid motion and then selling really don saying breach came down split so is different styles but like everybody really did like a great job in the kind of like did it in their way which I liked. It was fun. Just eat had moves for like ten days. Did. Right Oh she didn't all grow work. I was like, Oh, she was shameless capping man. Yeah. She's a real one. You can tell she's really she is awesome. She really really she was so cool I feel. When I left and I was like call everybody how's? It looked terrible because it showed nothing. That was how we talk to each other in the dressing room and I was heated. Of course I was like why? But like I wasn't really just being like you know look. Like I Like I have my back a little bit like what is going on did you think that any? Trade eventually pick deal, which is how you got to stay. But did you think after the dates you went on with Johnny? And who else was it? Connor Carrington, thank you all of the names of getting the wrong line Kim. I. Would. I would be on the beach like okay. So Who which name like always forget one that was so many. So, many sees it was ridiculous and it was. Earlier. In the season season cage as it was I was overwhelmed with Jay names and now overwhelmed. Like Johnny like to keep up it. His. Obvious to you guys like in their Johnny and Sally or Jelly as they're called. was just in with her one hundred. Mall the more than anybody else blake more than anybody else I was like okay like at least like they can hang they could kick it The most so I was like seemed solid, and then now I'm looking back I was like, I should have cropped up johnny like I should have been a little bit more fullwood and because he kind of every each other we'd like to give each other like a look. Like a lot going on there. But I was like I feel like he's a game play ideal accelerate soest flee and I didn't want you know they seemed solid like. We had a conversation. He was like I'm very attracted to obvious into into you and. The whole conversation didn't make the car, but I was like listen like, I, think you have a good thing going look sally should stick with that and you know we'll see explore other options but. You. Know that could could have you know in another alternate. I mentioned in a totally different thing too. But I was like throw like loves astute knocking you know right now. And then. Wisconsin. They made it look like you know we have a huge connection stop in he was like on the day I was like, wow, like he's really come out of showers, opening up and saying these things and it was more free than I'd seen him the entire time and he was like more open with me than he'd been in the house at all and. But. Then the next day he like would not look me in is like it was like full avoidance in it was so weird and so strange who is looking down at the ground and we had a conversation about done onto got shown Oughta that I was like, what are you doing dude like dawn state like if you wanted with Mackenzie or do whatever like go for it a pause and Avoiding man being added with what is going on. So then like from that moment I was like, oh, no skies lost. And but that's just the strangest thing and then we finally sat down and talked and he was like, you know he just really was having a hard time with that that I was like you like are worrying eat like are you okay and then I sat down with him and the little break-up like or pullback knows that he read to Mackenzie actually sat there with him and practice dead and we went back and forth and like Dino, and then it was like the running joke that I was like his therapist in that and Yeah. So I was just like, okay like listen you gotTa tell her that. If this is how you're feeling it's raping. Like spray around. Tell you. Everything but like you just need to slow down and so we did that repurchase note I read it. He read it that he went upstairs in like. Did it and it worked out but he was he said to me like, I'm kind of hoping that. It doesn't that she react badly because if she out reacts badly, he was going to end it that she reacted. Wow, and he continued to pursue high so. Very interesting. But I was like you're too much dude like. Yeah. WHO's not it's like my trite but he's a sweet boy were I'm shopping inserted somebody who looks like he does has league negative self confidence like how does he not have any confidence or any game? I have no idea. I don't know. It's so weird and. Car that you like. Like law is going on here and then I was like, why why are you so scared if this go and then Mackenzie me at one point that she was listen and she was right he get. is coming in saying doing things and then saying, okay, I'm GonNa end it to everyone else and then goes and also to be his girlfriend of whatever every time he would. Go in the opposite direction that she was like. So like one point like you're, you're making me look like an idiot and saying, I'm always crazy and overreacting but like you're giving me the wrong signals and Mike, she's absolutely Bryant and not like that's kind of not fat like to be like a reaction doing this. It's like well, if you're saying e, you know you want to. Move forward and then taking back wait that would make anybody are crazy. Of course, it's. Incoming up because some things really are different with Matt or caller Madison with Mackenzie and I think he's GonNa really wish he chose yellow. I think that's GONNA be yeah. Back around that, he's really damage should have really really gone for her when I had the chance. Really. I just met with knocking happen honestly often like that, Tokyo like maybe Pita Manda up. and. But if that's who he is and me in human never looked like I didn't want that to work like and also I mean Hans filed is it child Ish it is it to go on a date at completely. Ignore. The person that'd be like. Like it's just like all right you. Don't have time for this. Something else you know watching the show the guys now that went into the new guys are all in their late twenty they're just like a different breed of guys like there's so much more mature. One of the guys Just. Seemed more like. Together. Boys will the fact that they call early on this show? I just feel like I almost wish you would come in with this Casa Amore because they. Would have been different is. They're just like the guys are guys were awesome and I love the first batch but lake just more mature and we'll yeah who knows what will happen? Here knows I, need to catch up and watch it but I think that's good. You know for them to the girls to see like some new blood in there and to see how different men were can react. But my thing with the boys that we're in there, the men that were in the that. You're moving too slow like you know if you if you know that you want us to end in this to go forward then Mike do something about it like you rated to me safe and you ended up shooting yourself in the foot at least with carrying to and I think that we had a real connection and he just kept being like I don't WanNa repeat my mistakes I want to do this the right way, and then I was if we Get the right too. But he just was all confusing and then also it was sucked that I was like ride a one person here that I feel like that could po-potentially have a connection with like do I like his girl the most immense with that was like in my head and when I was like. I have never gone off any of my friends men ever ever ever like it just. Would never happen. So then you're put in a position where you meeting people, you're forming friendships in bats like the gall it's very weird and I kind of didn't you know I think maybe too much so. For. That was a show and should have been like, okay. I'm I'm for this. I. Feel this way like I don't I should played the game a bit mall maybe, but you are true to yourself and I think that's really what's most important especially if you're in. A relationship, you would actually want them to know you and exactly and you know on the outside I would never go up to a managed say anything like wouldn't it be like okay. Pull this person for a time I'm like, no like. To Talk to me I'm it is like not nothing I've ever done is to like woke up to a guy and so how do you feel about me like it's so up normal So that was definitely different and I think that But she's. On. With you. First their first of all, your your Leopard Bikini luck with the big cover up I mean lay girl laying hero however much you paid for that like it looked so good. It was worth every penny. UNTHANK- you, I don't. Pay Much for it at all over. Growth. I. That might even be like a fashion Nova peace or something Oh wow, I have to buy so much stuff that I was like I just need to buy tons. So I was like, okay we'll just grab pieces get a lot of a lot of things I to shape how it looks nice now beautiful. How many days do you actually film? Don't know I have lost all sense of time and I don't want to look at my phone anymore and I am it's just been crazy but I think. Saturday. Okay Am. I was there for like around the Week Wow God that must've been so nice job some freedom for week like. Even. Though I'm not interested in the dating aspect of like Oh my God like able to talk to people in like sit with them like just sounds. Thing. Is it was really cool and everybody you know I made like a lot of good friends in there and like I really value a lot of those people in it's it's interesting to. Different Just being you know I haven't lived with roommates or like that many people in that kind of way forever and It's wild that you're like all these different personalities than how you mix and. To be on and be nice and friendly all the time when I'm like of their. Hours of time in like step back will be alone along. So it was like, okay that was like a test in itself just to being to being around. So many people all the time it's crazy but they made it easy. Everybody was very supportive of each other like the guys pulled me aside like many times off your back and when the girls are like being often you can see they're like a little bit more reserved with you and they all wet the other girls and stuff inside What do you see I'm not saying like, do they hate me what's happening but they made a a real point multiple times to to be like we're here for you and like you'll the first call to come in the women show and like new RELEA- like happier back. So it's like, thank you I appreciate that But then why did you off? That's why I went in there and also you full of Shit because you are voting in most compatible couple that you know this couple just broke up like they. So they've Chad the chance to try it they it didn't was. Everyone knew Carrington he literally was like, let's go toll like now. We're GONNA get this. Like more. Solid. Arial came into us. So you know that this couple has tried it doesn't work like why me trump to lessen chance at why would we go but then I see the way been laid right on. What could have been like, oh? Yeah. Could have been different people for different couples which sometimes they do that in in England sometimes, they say one couple from each couple goes hand. So I was like maybe that will happen and when I was like I don't want to go but I thought that would make more sense that could progress but I guess they just did full couples and then it was like, okay well, what are you going to jail right? No, totally I was really shocked because I'm just thinking like the girls are really close to seems and the guy's. Really close to lake. When it comes time to eliminate people I would think like well, who are my boy's GonNa WanNa, Hook up with. Rain Hookup Way. So that's why I was really shocked at you and Trey Web because. You guys had such good relationships. I just especially with and Mackenzie has gotten much more likable like she has how she she. There's a big change and she's really gonNA turn but AM I. Just. Didn't see any of the original guys wanting to date her like, why would they keep her around? Here, I just didn't think her attitude because she headed wish reacted debate. Exactly and the that she was with Connor I. Think it was they covered like you know how to this back and felt like he was a little smothered about was the way it kind of came across Russia little controlling income at times. So I guess that's why but You. Know at least they were actually couple but then you're like most compatible like they were the least compatible could only argue. But you never know what we're doing feeling different times and I was just like, okay. I'm upset about this being friend fall until this united transpires into something else but It just wasn't enough time but I also was kind of like. This is a law like I'm ready to go on right Oh my God. Yeah. Especially, if you're used to being by yourself in early into the meditative lifestyle, I cannot imagine being very fanning quarantine. We have no TV no nothing. I literally would like meditate for even longer than usual just to pass the time or like stat out of my window like are captured like Chris. And then to go into an Oklahoma, this is overwhelming like the lack of sleep and just like the constant moving in the heat I was like. It is exhausting. So when you were in the Cromwell they took you through an empty hotel to get you all and then when you went out for your date with Carrington, they took you through an empty Rio also Yeah. On our town is, was it just like walking dead like apocalypse looking style and vary apocalypse sick feeling like a post wrong Turk. Yeah it is. It's weird. It's just like the lights are still blinking on some of the machines. Just like mad way but they blindfolded me in connor when we went when we were on the rooftop at first like have that initial reaction which was cool. And But yeah, it was like it was like a ghost town. That's insane that play just. So mind boggling because it's an interesting. Yeah, the Strip is open but I'm not I haven't been going out like I mean I've been doing things kind of around town safely but I haven't been on the Strip yet and It's just too weird. It's like. It's so bizarre I can't imagine living in Vegas I feel like it must just be go-goes go all the time we'll come to mind. La. I guess that's true. I don't know I feel like at least La's more spread out biggest like Soka. You know when you live there, you're not just like living on the strap or doing no not at all I. Very. They go out Mike and Abundant. Very. Red Makes it. So I have to say something that I've noticed today. I think look so much like that girl Chris Shell on. Selling Sunset John South. Funny. Yes. I. Do people keep telling me that it is such a huge compliment. She's so beautiful like. You're a beautiful woman I mean. Like I'm hoping like all the light hottest guys with like amazing jobs and families and goals, and we were lake together like I hope all make beat your door down and like you get everything want because you deserve it girl. Thank you I, have. So we'll see you I feel. Pretty Lucky so Something might come across soon we'll see Do you see? Any of the couples in the villa debt you know of do you see them working long? Talent not even Johnny and Sally. Didn't you just flip? Yeah. Well, he was making out hardcore. She doesn't know yet and that's another thing like Abbas, the timing work like do you feel that day into they show it the next day I think Thelma yeah like I think it's like a day or so and a half whatever like behind. So yeah, it's almost like it's live is a false turnaround annual watching. Your two or one episode behind find what's what's live, which is crazy Yeah. So it's pretty fast which I think is why you know they have to pick and choose moments and story lines and stuff like that. What about that guy? Who are? Well, we know our eldest oriole just kind of pop up and just do her little bits and then just disappear again. Yeah. Out of nowhere and then I was like maybe. I don't know that something's going to happen and trey was like traced by the way like his intuition on what was happening in who was getting chosen and who's going GonNa win or what like a thing or go home every time? I was like there's no way way and he would just like whisper my ambulance. Leg. He was always right and he was not home when she walked in. He was like every time she walks in here fatness like navy this time she's GonNa dislike announce something or bringing. We mean kisser like tuna boys are coming in. We can feel like it's time everybody was like some dudes are coming in and they. Were not. So yeah but yes. You just comes in and fuck shit up apparently and then it's like a recoupling. Something big but I think so far young when she comes home, it comes comes in. To the villa it usually means someone's going, right do you ever see Matthew Hoffman? I think his name, the narrator no, I don't even know where he's doing that from I was curious about that like I he's honestly for me. One of the highlights of this show like. So funny. His jokes sadie. Show stand apart from a lot of the others I. Think it's funny. It's good to he's like he's like at home with you watching at Nyu WanNa make fun of things and cool things out like anything could you know helps it move it along More, smoothly, like you feel like you're a part of it because of him but yeah, I agree I from what I've seen in hud he a fantastic job needs super funny. Amazing. Is there anything about love island that you think that anybody in the fanny pack at home needs to know? Not really kind of just to know that. We're all real people in there just trying to do our best and making friendships and you're not seeing everything but on the TV keep in mind and also. People need to know like it is a game the. The point is to come in and keep secure planes. So all of this thing this person sake are trying to take this person's mind like that is the premise of the show like. That's why way that like can we get can grasp that please? And you're put into these positions where you have to make choices. So I just think people know that and then To vote for keystone. I, really want her to win I. Think She deserves to win. She's lovely with whoever sheep's is choose and Not. That's it. Really I mean it's a lot of fun people, Gray productions. Amazing. All of the people on that show like in and out of their villa. A wonderful and it's crazy experience It's it's been fun. Will I'm so thankful that you did the show with me I'm so glad to catch off in, meet you and thank you so much lobbying. Thank. You can't wait to see what's next for you girl metoo. Around a right bye more and have a by the youtube either thanks again to learn Coogan from Love Island. It was such an honor to talk to you. If again if you haven't love island get the CBS APP it is so fun. The funny thing is it's on like five days a week and I was stressed like I'm going to be able to commit to all this content and I find myself disappointed and maybe even slightly depressed on nights that it doesn't air. That's how good it is. So Watch island. Thank me later in the meantime if you WANNA stay up to date on all things on this day entertainment, follow on this day entertainment on instagram twitter and facebook while you're. There searched the groups for the fanny pack. That's where we keep all these honest entertainment conversations going and more, and you can always check on this day entertainment dot com to see the latest articles I've written for taste of reality see the catalog of podcast I've put output get merged. There's on the entertainment merged. We've got some fun real housewives of New York merchant there and will be doing some more instagram live events. 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21-We Reboot Our Minds and Stop Soldier Suicide
"Hello welcome what are you drinking. We'll have a life and sixteen ounces. Please she is welcome to life and sixteen ounces the show that raises a pint to the explorers. The adventure seekers those wanting to break free from the norm to fill their glasses with memorable experiences and basically have a good time. I'm brandon and i cannot wait to get past the sticking year and i'm paul and my doctor just told me that my liver is good so let's keep on drinking until twenty twenty one. Yes s- episode. We speak with a former navy seal. Who offers us a chance to reboot our minds and on ourselves. It is twenty twenty after all. We need all the help we can get next. we say. Stop to veterans committing suicide by talking to a brewer who has made a red white and blue beer. America taste good that helps combat these tragic loss. Finally in a beer dome. I double your pleasure. Double your fun tag team. We a curbside order of a stout and porter own that in our usual crack in this episode of life against sixteen ounce well brandon. Welcome to the pub. Domi- pub. I know exactly and i'm not i'm not there. I'm sorry we had to go remote this time. Yeah due to unforeseen circumstances. What does it mean all the listeners. What's happening what that means. It gives us a chance to To try some some new technology to where absolutely yeah. You're the one that came up with it. So what are we using. Oh well actually. We're looking at ourselves via zoom. But we're not using zuma's yeah. What does this thing zuma. You speak no. I'm sure we're all zoomed out at this point. All the meetings and stuff the audio comes to you from clean feed clean feed dot net offers dot com dot com dot net klay dot net offers live audio in high definition with anyone in the world. Check them out for a free account at clean feed dot net the magic of the internet. It thank you al gore all right. Hey what are you drinking. Well let's see that's a good question because normally drink the same damn beer in we would use and and i saw through through zoom that you drinking something dark. I'm drinking something a little lighter well in color anyway I have the incredible hop heroes from the new world ales brewery. I have a hazy. Double apa that features enigma and mosaic hops. It is an eight point. Five percent. Beer in a whoa. Whoa whoa you haven't had a beer and a while. yeah i understand. I've been a little under the weather. So i put that on the shelf and so i'm taking my time with this one. He has a black lung pop. Eight point five is certainly way to jump right back into the drinking. i suppose. So what do you have on your end. Well you mentioned the dark beer. That's might second beer that i've had. This is my be mish which is a irish stout that you can only get in ireland. It's made out of cork southern sun eastern south eastern port. Not the stuff that you throw darts at but the actual place or put or put in wine bottles exactly they in heineken. Owns them and of course now. Put him in a chokehold unfortunately but we cannot get this except for their even them when we were traveling through ireland. One or two right. We could barely find it but it's gorgeous. Has these beautiful roasted coffee. Slight coffee and even one of my friends said a slight tobacco notes really okay but it does I did have the one that you that you put out in. In a dust finish rather smoothly. Yes clean smooth right. It's only four point one percent so people look at it and go. No no no no. That's four point one percent relaxed. Calmed down put your knickers back on. But when i was drinking i to at least what's your squad. Squash squash a headache. That i had was drake's forging raccoon. I never heard of this. But that's not it's not trash is forging county and it comes with a quite a story about the your your camping in your smell. Some beer drinking next door and you go next door and you grab a beer and some raccoons stolen everything from like some some bird. Drake's must have some sort of dramatic. Ptsd from camping. But this is a seven percent. India pale ale and it has a mixture of of of the kind of the west coast In new wave which is a between a piney. Citrus has a little bit off aroma and but it has a really velvety mouth. Feel sitting there. Maybe about ten minutes. After i finished drinking house like woo feel warm in a little dizzy. So that's exactly how i want you. You raped me all right yes. Let's talk a little bit about news. Ooh we have featured these these guys in the past matter of fact recently anchor brewing. And we did this last year as well. We've talked about their christmas. And i'm not talking happy holidays. I'm talking boom. Merry christmas happy. New year anchor brewing. This is a christmas ale. It appears that this is a forty six year. That making this darn thing. Ooh and one thing that that. I'm sure you're going to touch on. Is that every year. It's just a tiny bit different. Yes well this has been brewed by their new appointed brew. Master tom riley. And he's saying that this sucker contains the highest ab at seven percent so of course it does contain all the iconic winter stuff that you would get in a typical winter warmer ale and a because it's top secret. We're going to do a comparison. Because i do have some i. Well yeah i. I have one from twenty twenty and i actually kept one from last year. Okay so you have the new end the year. You're back we'll have to. You know kind of a side by side comparison. So yeah this is. This is pretty. And i didn't know this too. But there's the label and the box it comes in the six pack it's a hand-drawn label and in this case The trees that are on it. It comes coys national park called the three graces and unlike more about the national parking servicing but but yeah the recipe has never been shared. You can't go. And i mean you could probably get some sort of palate grew ninja that can pick apart the sing to a certain degree but yeah pretty thought that was cool and we had a. We had a listener. Say why why did they change. I mean everybody loves the beard. And i'm like well every year it gets changed. It's something different you know. That's just the way it goes in. They they keep it. Probably within a certain window all right so obviously. We're it's november protein to end of the year. Thank gosh and i will tell you this. All these lists are coming out okay. And they're very strange obviously because the whole pandemic but here's a quick rundown best in beer. Brewers pick five favorites of twenty twenty. This is from craft beer and brewing dot com. This one and i'm not going to go all because honestly there's for our listeners across the nation. I'm sure they're gonna. This is going to touch on a couple of things. Russian river pliny for president. Okay talked about them. And this is somebody all the way in virginia mentioning how great this is because it's based off of classic but they double dry up this bad boy. There's a place called the perennial art. Artisan ales yeah. They have a mama m. a. m. a. n. I'm going to pronounce it. Mama mama on a stout Green bench Chronicles as a kells pills. Or keller pills were they on of they are out of. I have no idea. It doesn't mention okay. But what i'm saying is these are you know. These are brewers. Who knew what the you know. What the hell they're talking about and of course they're going to pick stuff. It's like any person that's trained in particular craft. They're gonna go for stuff that you've never even heard of or ever tried and it truly shows that some of the stuff is out there and the beautiful beers across the nation. Well we just need to get in an rv and just go straight across as usa and what that might be the premise of Of the show that we about to sign with one of the networks. We talk about now. Yeah i wish not happening yet. Well the rv and i would love to see a gps line creative by the rv and how squiggly it is. It was the same so odd breed wild ales past and future. See stuff that you've never even heard of but this stuff is clearly Notified or or spotted by people who know what's going on faction brewing. Now this one. I do know i just had it just the other day. It's the Penske file pale ale and it was quite delicious although it was old con- considering the the canned on date but it was one of those things like. How much can they slam into this bad boy in still get this beautiful beautiful taste. So that's one of the things that i thought was interesting. And there was also the best in beard readers choice bars around the world around the world. We're gonna be a long list but they don't really mention anything beyond the nation within weld again. you know. hey. I'm just trying. I'm trying to. I'm trying to give love to everybody. The in the country not just california but california doesn't show up for maybe maybe number six and then after that doesn't show up until number fifteen but falling rock tap house out of denver. Church key out of dc monk's cafe filled out via hop cat tour tornado yard house. Which i think those last three seemed to be probably a franchise and they're all going to welcome us with open arms right for for the shutout. I i don't like yard house honestly too expensive a lot a lot of beers there but they need to bring those prices down do it. And then i'll back Some stuff out of portland maine Navarro res- the brick store pub in georgia so flying saucer Again probably another franchise in arms be abbey which sounds mazing out of chester massachusetts Yeah and then we get to other things that again. The the list is out there on beer and brewing dot com the one that comes with california's number fifteen that glendale tap and then for my old stomping ground back in baltimore maryland. Max's tap house so pretty cool stuff. Well excellent one. Less one of the few things i wanted to bring up is Covic veke cavic yes. Kavita is this crazy. I wouldn't say new but it's a yeast and it's been discovered quickly and by a lot of brewers on the homebrew side. Kavita is phenomenal. Just because it doesn't necessarily it doesn't necessarily impart a lot of character to the your beer. It provides a clean finish. But it doesn't add in other words if you buy a london ale yeast or if you buy edinburgh yeast if you buy a you know an irish ale yeast it's going to impart those particular strains and an add to that style of beer. You don't do an american pale with an irish ale yeast. So are you saying that. This one has no characteristic. Exactly well i think that's still to be determined. At least that's what. I've been talking to my brewer friends. But what really drives it home is. This thing is built for heat and quickness so you can buy this. You can add to almost any beer and you're going to. You're going to look at some. Like machine machine-gun bubbling at a your air locks and the suckers. Give me like you put me outside of a keg or keyser or any type of fermentation control in hottest day of The summer in modesto. And i'm going to be like i love it. It could be eighty ninety degrees in this things like out of the airlock. And it's done and you know four or five days so it's going to react like you and i would after a couple of milk milkshakes right on the toilet and that's exactly how this thing doesn't take a huge dump it just. It's it's like if you were watching now But yeah no. It's it's it's amazingly quick and effective eastern from norway or at least the norwegian scandinavia area and yeah people are truly enjoying this bad boy. And it's it's weird because again you get it and you can have like. I know people are gonna come over to the pavilion next week brew. Beer is not getting any ten to fourteen days to let it note going to use a strain and this thing's going to be ready to radium four or five days so it's so this is this is like a it's a yeast strain on steroids. It acts in a in a quicker manner than than most absolutely seems that way. Like i said the biggest thing with is the heat. Okay everything you typically wants to be seventy degrees and under but this thing enjoys joys it where if you don't have temper temperature control and you've got stuff sticking out in your garage like oh man. What the boom us convic- so great stuff there. All right so last thing brandon. I threw this at you. Ying-ling is or maybe there's already been filled but there have a brand manager And granted the awesome to to to To land this position in pottsville pennsylvania to work with the oldest america's oldest brewery nba beyond their team to talk about yelling as their stuff goes further and further. Although we still haven't found it in any of my stores so you're saying that they need someone here in california no. I'm looking at that right now. I'm trying to figure that. How i if it comes if it comes west. That'd be perfect because first of all your name brand. Yes and you know. And i've been possible. So when do to empowers activate acing. Gary perfect anyway. All right buddy well. That's the news. I have for you for november. Well let's roll into our first story. You're listening to life and sixteen ounces. What's a near fight. So brandon looking back at our previous twenty episodes. How many yeah two hundred. No wait a minute. We're on number twenty one. We're finally old enough to drink. Yeah we're we're in season eighty five right now. Yeah only three episodes per season. So please catch up and subscribe when you can. Because you're gonna be left behind. I'm telling you. India only coming out and netflix every other year. No i brought this up by saying you seem to be the therapist the rape and by the way rip to Sean connery and alex trebek's the pushed for two hundred alex a kind of strange that the big lie diamond and a couple of weeks of each other. You both on the same. Snl skit you seem to be the therapist. Well i just wanna help us and in our listeners i told you if you are transformer. You'd be like positive crime or something. And you'd be like that guy in the boardroom going. Hey hey hey we should do like a psa at the end of every gi. Joe in a cartoon. it's like. Yeah tell the kids what they need to do and watch out for and how to be positive. Okay fine so yeah you brought this up by saying something about obviously this year. Well you know. what's funny. Is that growing up. I found that my name actually meant beacon on a hill very very interesting right. I didn't i did not know that. Yeah thought brennan both that to me. Yeah so we all need a different outlook on this trying. Time since since really saint. Paddy's day i suppose really is where everything started falling apart a right our last chance we did. But since then we've covered as many stories as we could Hopefully with a positive slant to it and the gentleman that i was able to speak with for this story Definitely says hey man you know you need to turn around look in the mirror and find exactly what it is that that you're having a problem with and really it it it konate s- From you you know it. It's not about what's going on in society that does play a part but really You're kind of the one to blame for your own misery. I suppose i've got a lot of mayor busted in my my house. You're the problem. No you're the problem you're nydia you're got so i spoke to rob dubois. Who is a former navy seal. He is an author of a book that you can find on amazon dot com called powerful piece. He is also the Ceo if you will of impact actual and right here he explains what. That's all about love to explain that for the non-military audience of anybody who's watched the war movies of probably seen little communications where the guy in platoon for example calls and he calls for fire on his own physician because they're being overrun. And so when authority on something called the actual war in military terminology he comes on and the let's say they were phoenix. Unit and the radio men is like being caught out. Hey hey raven this is phoenix. We need your help them. Ravens like what he got. hang on. i'm gonna put on phoenix actual. That means the leader so in our vision for what impact is all about. It's make no difference understanding that you are the only thing you can control the whole world and that's awesome of get discouraged about it because oh man. I can't control thing but me but think about the power inherent that concept you control you absolutely and law the outcomes that happened in your life are direct results of what you do it yourself. So we like to think of ourselves as the authority on making a difference. So there's an acronym that he uses called fosse f o s. i from our skin in and he'll go into that as well from our skin ethel's i is everything i control in the whole world. I control my body. My heart my mind my soul and my boundaries so these are the elements that make up what i am But outside of me. I control the only thing i can do to control. Anybody else is contained in. How well i manage myself. We say you control only you and in that is you know everything that comes from from that is dependent on. How well you do that. I control me. I managed my manner. My respect brothers maintaining the dignity of others and myself healthy boundaries. Making sure nobody is allowed to crap on me but also making sure. I don't crap on anybody else or permit those who are defenceless from being craft on lifelong protector. Stuff growing up rob head a multitude of experiences that ultimately led him to becoming the baddest of the bad in the military that being a navy seal but he explains why he labels himself as a hybrid for example. When when i was born i was born of a very large man and a very small woman dichotomy differences and my mom's super shortly five foot to my dad's six foot four They were politically of different In inclinations they raised us born and raised northern california. Halfway through my youth. I was moved to northern new york the opposite coast And my eventually So it's a long and winding road through my navy career. But i i'll i knew in my little village upstate. New york called port henry on lake champlain. God's country neuron dex. All i knew was that i wanted to be tough from split family to abuse. The deck was kind of stacked against him and rob talks about his upbringing. A little bit and his brief stint in college. I plan on being a veterinarian. So i was working my way through latin classes and advanced courses in high school to go to cornell eventually. Nba vet that kind of vet But i hated and calc when i got the school so i majored in partying and That led to me leaving the school with a one point two. Gpa was actually thrilled. When i heard about that because it was the animal house cume. And i was like hey. I'm in good company. If i'm like animal house. He did graduate though however with a four year degree in two thousand eighteen. He says it only took him thirty four years. Wait so there's still hope for us. Navy seals are determined. Oh man and he's accomplished. he was busy. No he He went back home and he tried his luck as a rockstar. Which was also a dead. In-form brett michael michael's he was trying to give david lee roth run for his money but he bought. Yeah at the time. He didn't have the chops at the time he says. Uh so guess where. He ended up skydiving When no close now cloudy a clown school. That's where i need to go right in the recruiter's office and guess what his first question was. How do i become a navy seal. Pretty much by the way the military runs in his family. My father was an army linguist. this goes back to the hybridization thing. My dad was a chinese linguist or tiling for an essay within the army during vietnam so rob had a really high aptitude for languages and the navy wanted to play. Let's make a deal. I think we've all been there in the recruiter's office right where we thought we were going to send it for one thing and possibly it was well. We could use you for this. Signed real fast. And i found out. You can't be seal if you're a linguist in the navy it's called a non source rating. It's not permissive. So i i was like wow. I've been violated. And you know. I've been i've been. I've been betrayed. They told me. I could do both. And of course recruiters will sometimes say whatever they gotta stay. Now i'm in the navy. A good contract to become a russian linguist renaissance as a cto could plug ignition. And the third letter is is for interpretive which means linguists in in the army. It's an idea golf. And i said oh man i wanna be steal and so i. I ended up being a really good linguists for ten years in his own words. He was getting a little long in the tooth but he never stopped applying to become a navy seal. I called mighty tiller. And i said cliff because he was a friend of mine because when i was a little squid back in fort meade in maryland at nsa. He was an old squid or medium squid. And now he's now the boss of all of us. And i said do lenny go. You know i was telling you about this. You know almost ten years ago. He's like you crazy bastard. Go ahead and try it. We'll get back anyway when you fail. And that was that was the key. I got that waiver from him Cliff let me go. And the rest is history. I went off to buds. And i turn thirty and training. Which is i promise. You a young man's program. But i made it rob doesn't go into too much detail about what he did as a seal but he does have an interesting story about where he was during nine. Eleven at a little base in the middle east. I'm never specific about this. Except in private conversations but at a base teaching the arabs heels how to kill terrorists on nine eleven so with their very fancy satellite. Tv's we all sat. Ten american seals and ten arab seals. And we all sat and watched it and we watched it live and we sat for three hours without one word being spoken by anybody and it was profound and it was heart wrenching and it was soul searing and i was filled with rage and i admit in the front of my book powerful piece. I have met with same that i would have killed any of our hosts for laughing or saying how they got or anything like that but nobody did that. I mean again hosts. These are friends of mine. I've been with these guys for weeks have been hanging out. You know training side. You know arab man. American men christians and muslims and all the things all the the the the mix that we were there. Were still just seals. You know we had great conversations. Great friendships that she survives hang out in In a muslim and doing some really good training. So this thing happens we all experienced it together. and And now we all know. We're going to war. So we americans went back to our barracks rooms after that and start attacking you know. We went off and began to do the war thing. Just kind of on a side note. rob does talk about where the hate comes from. You hate the republicans right now if you hate the democrats right now if you hate the blacks eight the whites whatever you hate right now. There's some pain connected to that. All the bias. All the bigotry. All the grievances are tangled up. And that's why i try to address. Hey let's break this thing down. Let's let's attack the problem not the personality and that's another thing. I've learned my sobriety almost thirty years. By god's grace of not killing myself with booze and has taught me a lot of important lessons about managing myself and realizing that i am the source of the peace and the and the hostility around. I am the source of my outcomes of what happens in the good things and the bad thing that happened to me. Almost all of the comes directly from my choices. Here's a little bit more on rob's book powerful piece powerful pieces a series of anecdotes basically It's i call it lessens on piece from a lifetime at war because as i mentioned it took me thirty four years to get my four year degree. I wasn't like in the ivory tower. Anywhere theorizing about strategy theorizing around international affairs I was living it. Many of the chapters and powerful piece are actually essays. I had written or articles ad in other sources. And i took the same material pulled from there and said listen. This is how it's going to flow together because powerful pieces. Basically forty eight chapters. Each chapter is a is a term concept concept like pride like And bigotry one. That there's two kinds of bigotry. Identify into separate chapters. One is conscious bigotry. Like when you know you hate that group unconscious bigotry as the kind that i talk about which i compared to spiders in your mind. You don't know. They crawled in there but they got in there. Because of what you heard in your environment you know part of your again this. The experiences shape us. And so in that story i often will indict myself. My own failings are are some of my favorite teaching material. Because if i can acknowledge and say yeah dude i have this. I have this law. Have this failing. I i really dropped the ball on this thing over here. Then that can help people realize it's okay. It's okay to stay your flaws because that's part of the growth process and be us. I got that too. Maybe it's not so bad. I was hiding it but now i can acknowledge it and start to work on it and let it go all right so we've talked about the book. We've talked about his background as a navy seal. What was next. Well he wanted to go ahead and to change hearts and minds and souls with impact actually began coaching by accident. In a couple of years after i retired and i stay by accident because i never set out to do it. I never planned on becoming a low life coach. I only disliked that term. Because it's so stigmatized it's a. It's a very powerful very important function very important thing we can do for people. Just you know michael. Phelps has a coach and tiger woods has a coach and so forth the best of the best still benefit from coaches a coach. Who cannot do like. I've coached a. There's a movie star one of these days. I want name right now. But i've been working with this amazing guy. I love him. he's really cool. He's eclectic unusual person. You know from a dozen movies and shows you've seen. But i won't name now but i love working with folks and he is a guy who can use my help to keep refining himself. Keep rising even tony. Robbins has to refer to mentors into. How do i take the next level boss you so life. Coaching itself is very important. But we what we do. Is we pray we reframed it to make it sound so fluffy and you know squishy like a life coach. You tell people how to live. I don't tell people. Don i teach people how to find their gaps. We actually of course called us to help people walk through the process of self evaluation and attacking their gaps. And we we go right after body mind heart and soul the physical. The mental the emotional and the spiritual moral the ethical. Basically your character. The thing that doesn't fit undermined or heart. Your your your mental. Your emotional but the character is something. That's different from them. It's separate it's like you know. What are you willing to do. What are you not want to do. What would you do. You walk your talk. That's with character is the is in our concept so we attacked the gaps in the unchained program or in my coaching. Go after the those specific elements of what a person's made of and say you know. Where do you need to grow. Where do you need to say. I'm not going to do this anymore. I'm not willing to compromise that myself. Some people might say. I'm gonna cut out sugar as a simple example. Some might say. I'm going to start learning french. Like i tried in high school. But you know it. I'm forty five years old. No no. I'm i'm doing that for myself. Somebody's going to have hard conversations with people that really soya's boundaries because even though you're my sister my brother i want to deal with that behavior toward me anymore. I will not be treated like that anymore. Because i love and respect myself so we go after these things. We attack the gaps. That's why i don't call life. Coaching called high impact coaching again. We're focusing on making a difference. Which in my philosophy is the only reason we really believe we exist. We exist to make make a difference. So i thought this was funny wheel of fortune. What's the first thing that comes to mind the rapist. alixter back. no that's that's so. Yeah pretty sorry my my still almanac diet a pat save jack man. He's been around for so long it's amazing and he must get workout and i'm just kidding. Vanna white oh yeah well. Rob considers himself in a white van. Was the lovely assistant. The person says i want to turn in a and on being a yoga curves the letter right so so vanna. The one who enables an in a positive sense enables the person who's making the calls are there any. Are there any teas. Or whatever when their guessing on that game show. Indiana is the one who exposed reveals it. I'm vanna white. I'm a very poor Imitation of her. Because i wouldn't look an address but then her function on on on the helper to a person who's my coaching client. Because that person has got to own it and person has got to be the master of his or her soul and that course of their life and say i'm gonna make these changes but i can't see what to do and that's where i come in rob does not tolerate much when it comes to taking on clients You cannot make excuses for yourself. basically you're the only one who is put yourself in the position that you're in at this point you can blame no one but yourself and he goes on to talk about what. I am approached for a prospect for coaching client. I will say listen dude or do that. I will not tolerate blaming tamir anybody else. I will not tolerate excuse making because it's absolutely fatal to your growth as a human being as a bad ass i have. I have a phrase. I love bad ass. Reborn got a website for that. And so we're gonna on our website. But we're going to impact that at some point for the bad asses out there the bad asked reborn because and i don't mean a navy. I don't mean biceps and tattoos. I mean a bad ass off fearless person granted. We all have fear but a person who's with bold enough to step forward to. I'm going to do this in my life. Because i must give more. I don't teach people to feel good. I don't teach people to feel really rocky rocky. Rolly good about themselves Again when you give abundantly it feels good than the reward is in that for the for the self and the self esteem but the purpose is to give the purpose is to make a difference aka impact the impact actual to be authority on making a difference. So i tell people from day. One and i listened to watch and i looked excuse making. I'll say who is your biggest problem you know. And if they say what my wife. That's okay cool next. You know this is not going to be my client. I will refer to somebody that can help him and help him pull his head out of his ass and stop blaming his wife as problems but i will not take him on as a client because i demand of myself that i only put my energy and time which is very limited in two people who can can gain from it. Here is a great analogy. That i think. I've seen before online about it again with red ants versus black ants Check this out. I feel biologists. Somebody wrote this name and showed white white and black hands and they're hanging out in their wrestling. They're fighting. I've been in the woods. Most of my life. I've watched lots of and fights and it happens but what they said in. This medium is You know red and black answered them in a jar together like whatever. Okay we're here. How do we get out. Wanna get some food. Go make some love with some of ants of our own kind whatever but but they they don't fight but if you sake the jar then they'll fight until only one is left alive and so the question is in america with all this division all the stress and strife. Who's shaking the jar and why because we have lived very very well together with all different colors and all different faiths and different persuasions with exceptions. Of course we've had some really lousy bigotry our country but but generally speaking this beautiful experiment this melting pot of america. Why after more than two centuries always suddenly looking at the the the differences in saying oh. They're so bad. The differences are not bad. Differences are just different good batter not relative to whether your skin is dark or light not relative to whether you like boys like girls. It's good and bad are based on how you conduct yourself as a human being. What how do you. How do you demand dignity and respect people around you whether you like them or dislike and whether you agree with them or not because america was found on the concept of respectful disagreement and finding consensus and govern ourselves and we're being destroyed by being convinced irresponsibly like little boys and girls instead of men and women that we can be divided this way were participating in the division and it's terrible fox news and msnbc have got us at each other's throats. They're paid to get excitement their paid by still companies. Who want to solve soap. And the most eyeballed you get on the screen means a more people will see the so commercial and buy more soap with gotta take back our country from the division that we in many cases ourselves are advancing at one point in our history of many points in our history. Were strong enough and good enough as as americans to realize. It's good to have somebody with a different opinion. So i can debate. Maybe that can bring my side. But maybe if i'm going to be a grownup about this actually humble and actually believe according to my faith teaching should be loving respectful to other people. I will actually hear them. And if i hear them. I could have my own. Opinion changed in a adjusted and improved because it's a compelling compelling narrative compelling argument so these are things we've lost discourse dignity respect for people so you can learn more about rob du and his book powerful piece which you can find on amazon dot com also checkouts impact actual dot com to choose your change. Thanks rob we appreciate it and hope to talk to you in the near future. You're listening to life in sixteen ounces. What's your client mine. Full of personal excellent. That's a nice story brandon again. And i'll tell you things one. I been kind of angry lately of conflicting with myself and trying to figure out. I wanna go in a cage of some sort. And i don't know i don't know what it's called but like i feel like mel gibson now gibson's been so angry and you knew where he was where i want to be. Be beer beer. No alcohol can't take this much longer. I gotta have a brilliant before we dive into our final story in few minutes. That wonderful sound. You heard means it is time to feature are twenty twenty head to head beer game. Called beer does or november. We have picked a bit of a tag team situation here with your order and a stout. And since we're i guess remote default false a brains pub you can do the honor sir. Ladies and gentlemen this is the show's main event in this corner my beer from the brewing school of firestone walker hailing out of paso robles calif weighing in at five point five percent and wearing a brown label with firestone walker logo their chocolate sherry stall limited edition followed closely by his master of disaster partner. Samuel smith out of yorkshire england weighing in at five percent and wearing a red gold and tam label. It's the famous tatty porter and in this corner. My beer from brewing school of the brewery hailing out of placentia california weighing in at eleven point three percent with no ivy used to speak of and wearing what appears to be a maple syrup dripping down the ten with maple leaves all about. It's there Imperial stout verbal stick and maple and here comes the dooming balloon partner not to be outdone from the bruins school of founders hailing out of grand rapids michigan way that six point five percent with forty five us and wearing extremely dark old label with some pale ass base. It's there founder. Who's porter and kind of depressed but here are the rules. That beer must be a porter or stout and kept us close to that style as possible. In this case it can be a imperial. it can't be whatever barrel aged because that's how pours in stoute's are done. Ab percentage is thrown out the window. Folks this is all over the place but this will be served at the proper temperature. According to the nevada heat gun commission and in the case of stoute's imports that usually five degrees all right clink. Glasses and cody corn as well. Those open poorest taster. Ring that havoc green well. This should be interesting this time around. Oh my goodness we definitely pick some some good beers i think but hey let's get tenue talking to some interesting people yes before the think. Twenty eight gb percent. It's let's roll into our last story on. Hey paul yes. I got your six. Oh you do good well look. I'm looking behind you right now. All you're going to see as white sound barrier. Guess studio yes. I get it. I know. i know what you're saying. And that's a term that the military personnel use for. You got my back. Yes and i appreciate that certainly a co host and as a friend for over ten years and this is something crucial because it's a terminology that you would expect every veteran to to say to every other veteran in everything in life in. Hey you've got some problems. I got you and even more. So if if you've deployed with the person if you've if you ever spent any time in the trenches with that person in his critical so with that in mind. I was given the story by my mum who lives in ellicott city maryland railway brandon. Yeah and by the way. What is your mother done for our show. Well i think right now. She's she's probably baking some Persimmon cookies that might help with our alcohol content. Basically so cups the alcohol perfect okay so clearly. Both our mothers are doing something and we would like to say that. They're they're maybe our top fans. If our mothers listening to the show social jew and pass it onto your mother's thanks mom better. It was veterans day and this story came up where there's a brewer brandon miller or a mill house mill house. Yes so i will throw this in here. He says that pretty much from ages ago. And yes it's connected to the mill house character from the simpsons. Exactly he's had that's the other guy but he's had this look with his well in the military call him. Bcg's right birth control glasses if you're if you have any type of vision impairment and you go into the military into basic training. They give you these bc and which became birth control glasses. There's these ugly gigantic framed glasses. And they look like basically mill house from the simpsons. And that's how he got the nickname mill house and he's more than happy to go with mill house as as his nickname. I guess whatever. It's called your. Yeah so. I had the chance the pleasure if you will to call mill house. Who is the lead brewer slash beekeeper. Ooh at manor hill brewing company worsest located. He explains a little bit. But i'll i'll throw this out there. It's it's a. It's located on a fifty four acre working farm in ellicott city which is just outside of baltimore. Baltimore city area. This is where this is. Actually where kind of where i grew up. We moved there in nineteen ninety. So i'm pretty familiar with the area however i've never been to manner hill brewing so i looked up. I looked up. What's going on and these family owned farm. They do obviously everything that you could possibly think of. when with. One of those farms that connects with people is not just a farm that you see from a distance. No they have produce. They have farms. They have like a pro stand. He's a he's a beekeeper. So he's starting to introduce hives and more than likely incorporating honey into his ingredients they have tons of angus beef again brandon. Slash meals will over that. But it's beautiful location. It's out there. And certainly in cova land. It provides that amazing scenic nature connection that a a lot of people are probably desperate for searching for in this time of being stuck at home so i looked up brandon and manner hill and of course The the what he was doing. Which is the focus of this story. Is he to beer using ingredients that were like we said in the beginning america and they they were red white and blue. Now we've talked about this guy. We've talked about ingredients in the past in. It's something that we that. I think a lot of a lot of listeners. Kind of go. I really wanna know how brewers come up with this stuff in his case. He's going to explain where he came from his entrance into the military and his first light bulb moment when he came to craft brewing. I'm a marine corps veteran. I in the. I was in the marines for four years. Nineteen ninety two to nineteen ninety. Six in my time in. I went overseas. I was there Okinawa japan korea Somalia and ended up my last year being stationed in camp pendleton and there are ninety. Five ninety six craft brewing was really taking off so the pizza ports were around stone wrote was making a huge push. Of course you know. Everybody's favorite sierra nevada. Was that kind of changing beer While beer can really have flavor to it and everything like that so that really kind of stuck with me after i e s and came back to the east coast. The craft brewing says the craft brewing around in maryland wasn't too popular. It was popular. It just didn't have a really big foothold. So mill house goes on to say that he's been with his wife for twenty five years. I think mary twenty one years. He has two daughters. I think they're exiting and he briefly talks about when he was in california he came across a bunch of different styles that he sort of took back to maryland. And say you know what out in california. They're doing these styles but what's interesting. He kind of again hinges on the logger aspect Again the the beer that he makes that we're gonna talk about Here in in in the future is lager based but here he is talking about his first beer and how it was connected to his father. So the first i ever had My dad was a schlitz man so it works out perfect at american style ladders. American waters are like ingrained in my dna. Now mill house talks about abreu clubs. And i said you know a hold on a second thing because we've talked about talked many people before. Who have this natural ability to go. You know i'd like beer. And then i got a kit and all of a sudden i'm lee breuer in this is like wait a minute wait a minute you did. You skip a bunch of snaps. How the hell these people that we keep on talking about how this magical ability to brew the best beer in the world and all of a sudden they. Because i'm telling you. This is what brandon once. He he wants me to be. Why are you so lame. I can't play it. Yeah why are you not all of a sudden you know creating a brewery like these people that we keep on interviewing so brandon slash meal house. He came from a brew club and he mentioned it called. Crabs and in maryland is for crabs. crabs in. this case stands for if you didn't hear it chesapeake. Real ale brewers society. The real ale is crucial in this in this situation because he and i discussed a little bit about the beer's the true beers at came come from the uk brandon. I've mentioned this before timothy. Taylor's the there's a camera which is A committee a group that talks about real ales What we consider where the true essence of beer comes from and there's a group that goes around and make sure that you're you're bringing properly. You're pouring it properly and go into a pub and there's a camera certified sticker on the on the outside you go in there. You're guaranteed to get a beautiful pint of poured real ale. So here's really cool story about how he was working his way up from you know nothing to basically being the president of his homebrew club. The crabs and Saying you know what. We're going to start doing this because he was tired of bad beer every month. So here's the story. I was very active with the group And i became vice president and then became president for a couple of years and it got a point where nobody nobody wanted to take over. And i pretty much. The only reason i got. I had i came. I stopped being. President is because i couldn't do it anymore because i got a job professionally drilling and i was kinda like i can't promise making all edicts but some of the stuff that i brought to the club was we kind of had a competition like each month gotta competition and you got points at the end of the year. You know it was homebrew of the year. You know blah blah blah stuff like that But i brought in a contest where here in baltimore. There's oliver oliver brewing company That right down there near camden yards. Regales flight It's steve jones. Was our head brewer. He he's he's british if she made in nate's some of the best english ales you've ever had so you'd go in there and he had a pubail. He had an english mild and he had this best bitter that i could not drink enough off. Low gravity on cask. You know you can see just one of the best deers. That i remember drinking. That's at time. And i became friends with steve. Because i wanted to get will. He used ringling east dirty word to a lot of people. You know. Old pucks racist You know Peter austin ringwood brewery. But steve ding. English could make those beers just the way that they needed to be in his best bitter. I wanted to bring to the club. Silver everybody to brew. It's one of our competitions was and it was judged by steve is that here's the recipe to the best bidder. Stephen give yeast had plenty of east oriented by the ringwood. East pulgar shopper. whatever Nothing about the water profile. Nothing about that. Just what the ingredients were you know in your best shot at it and then it was everybody's on the same level you know everybody's on the same level. This is the recipe in like. Nothing should be secret. Like i will tell you guys. I'm tired of drinking bad beer every week that every month we got together it was my it was my goal to like. Get rid of the tight lipped. You know tight-lip so that we could actually drink really really good beer together. And you know my friend. Trevor rose was the president after year by year. Just got better and better so back to how brennan took that. His love is passion for brewing. Kind of like what. I'm doing but according to brandon. I'm not doing enough. No certainly step it up to. I need to learn more about from mill house. Trust me if i was like a city. I'd probably be his right hand man jeeze so this is interesting too because he connected with a baltimore. Brewing company called duke law again. The crab connection. If you've never been to maryland folks you'd probably get in california a really fancy restaurant and get a crab style or maryland style. Crab cake you know. Because that's what they do. That's what maryland does. They're known for their crabs gorgeous beautiful blue crabs. What are we going. You're getting i've invited. You're asked never you never leave. Modesto shut the hell. You're you're asking. We're he lloyd the rocky mountain so so rocky. So duke law is awesome and if you just go to again do d. u. c. l. a. w. Look them up there really amazing Funny as You know names for their beers and my brother's been sending me all kinds of pictures of their stuff. So here's a story about connecting with bru- claw and their owner slash brewer. I believe in how he kind of got into this. Because it kind of connects with what brandon was doing a couple of years back. Which is you know from the from the get-go you clean clean kegs. You clean stuff. And that's ninety percent of a lot of the bring processes. You sanitized clean and if you can do that. That's a huge lift off of the brewers to do list homebrew for probably about seven or eight years and got deep into the bring community and had a lot of friends that were working for burris one in particular Jim wagner who works for declaw. Brian company baltimore off in. We used to together. Go to concerts and stuff like that. And i hang out. Sometimes he needed you know go to the brewery and kind of wait for him to get done so we go fishing so one day. He was like eighty one a clean. Some gags we can get out of here quicker so clean kegs taught me how to clean the tank and the next thing you know fast forward they were going into what expansion and jim and already had somebody that could of do the groundwork of you know. You can't really real beer if you don't have a clean tank and you don't. Have you know clean cakes and you and everything like that so it was. I kind of came on as a cellarman and work my way into the jury for duke law brewing company and Getting two thousand eleven. And then i was with them for six years Then went on to be the head brewer at three stars brewing company in dc and. That was a great opportunity to be down there. I was down there for two years and they dogs getting entice lull. I needed to get back to Close to home Dc is closed. The drives a little much So i got hooked up with manner. He'll brewing company where i'm brewer and beekeeper on farm Fifty four acres working farm. We have tapa room. We have through trucks in a farm stand. And it's really awesome all right so you might have heard brandon slash mill. I'm gonna keep on saying this. Call mill house. They're gonna get tired. Yeah they're gonna get new mill house. He mentions Three stars brewing company out of washington. Dc looked him up to pretty cool stuff. A great little plug there for them and then You know we talk a little bit about the manner hill brewing or at least a farm in. It's pretty amazing again. Fifty four acres. Just insane stuff. And i want. I want to bring this up to as a as an plug. Brandon mentions a twitter account where the guy the guy drives to farm every morning to brew beer and he has access to fruit trees to produce to stuff fresh from the ground from people who've been working the lane for years and i could. I can't imagine how you. How could you come to rob deba- how could you come to work angry. You come to work in you go. This is just nice. Kind of just can't wait. I can't i know we're definitely gonna visit so yeah on. Twitter go to men are rising m. a. n. o. r. r. i s. i n. And right now. I'm looking at it and good. Sunrise sunset Brewing before daylight. Our beers are like our sunrises. And it's unfiltered. I mean gorgeous colors. They have a hot farm out there. One of things. I want to bring up before i forget is He brings it up as the set. They have a gris set. It was just four point. Seven percent is an avb beer. The sucker up right so set. Beer is a belgian beer. It's kind of leans on the farmhouse. Ales been meaning what what does. What does the farmhouse ale. It's in it's in the regions that includes cezanne's and the brewers guard gerard depardieu. What's what's the selloff during. This is my friends. This chocolat declare trine deja-vu top secret. Go of people But yeah it's it's a It's a. it's a low alcohol beer. It's light embody bit of tartness And it it kind of like A bit of call. It goes or goose. I think people always miss. At least we do against. We've never never claimed that we're experts of this stuff. No it's g. o. s. e. beers in germany. But yeah it's very traditional Gorgeous beer that has a rich history and they have won on the manner hill Of yours to try and the Mill house their flagship. All right so and clearly shows the guy is a is a student who's trying to be a master trying to grab that hop from my mom. If you can grab this hopper simple that you just grabbed it master out. You know he. I mean he. Clearly you'll listen to more of what he goes through in regards to learning the craft that he absolutely is passionate for. I mean once again. We've found somebody who's meant to be what they're supposed to be and he brings up things like food trucks here. He goes more about what brandon slash meal else is going to talk about as we approach. how he came up with his awesome lager. Beer that Fights veterans who are committing suicide. A couple of years ago. I was in dc. I kind of had the idea to make a beer that i wanted to do for veterans day. The opportunity never really hit anywhere before. I got manner hill. Being you know. A small brewery family owned Everything like that. The stars aligned last year offer twenty nineteen. We were able to brew. I got your six. Which is an american lager. that we brood For veterans day. And if i was going to get the opportunity to brew beer for veterans day. I wanted to make sure that we give back to Gave back to a veteran driven charity. that would you know. Hopefully make a difference. A lot of veterans lives. it touches. i was able to breathe a beer with two other marine of veterans. That i know my buddy role from a key. Burling and larry tunnel who at that time was He him and his family ran. Run a really cheesy john. Liquor store down about slow maryland ear on your college park high brandon before we get into the ingredients he he brings in two marines. Because that shows you know that that solidarity that that connection to people who either served with and you know you take care of each other like you said. I got your six so i checked out key brewing which was down in the baltimore. Area francis scott key named after a national icon in the baltimore area. It's interesting so let's go to the ingredients. Which is what i asked him. So here's what he has to say about how he came up with ingredients. It was kind of tongue in cheek and over the top. I was going to make it as american as possible. Know with red we white wines and blue corn and then as we were kind of getting everything together we had independence hops from y c h and use liberty for the battering so the first year came through. It's red white and blue and it's made liberty and independence So it was kind of like really fun to make make that beer and kinda have those ideas within the series part of it was We wanted to be able to give the proceeds to stop soldier suicide. So the red in Basically is the the body of the beer the the white The dryness the blue the crispness of the beer and then Then adding the hops with the the liberty which is the bitterest hop and the the independence which is kind of a debilitating. So it's kind of a. I'm guessing it it it kind of it. It makes everything kind of a right. I mean because i i was like really. You can't just you can't just make a american beer beer out of stuff. That sounds like america's i mean it has to have the right notes and stuff but this in this case it works. I mean lager is one of the toughest years to make. Not so much for commercial Brewer in sterling on the east coast. They have those cold temperatures over they can control the fermentation temperature and keep it that way for quite quite a few weeks. Immigrants are lager but Yeah pretty cool. And i've never used independence. I don't think i've ever used liberty but So the yakima chief hops is where the independence comes from pretty neat stuff right. And i'm so impressed with where they sent the The the monies that they have that they that they have Yes so let's get into that exactly we had on our show before which was You know. I think it might have been even november a veteran based sort of a therapy therapy kind of A group that gathered veterans. That have been through a lot of stuff and then helped him get out in the outdoors hike with each other. Get to know each other and eventually climbed mount kilimanjaro. So it's pretty amazing stuff in this case mill house talk about stop soldier. Suicide dot org. Here he is talking about all that stops over suicide. Has everything kinda laid up so lined up so that if you come shoes. Stop soldiers suicide. They have the programs to help you get through not the red tape but to kind of get to where you lead to be as quickly as possible in there in it's all Everybody who works. There is either prior military military wives or children of military so they kind of speak the language that we all know. You know. that's you know it's a lot of lot of letters numbers something that's not always easy to understand. And and it's also nice to have veterans. That understand what you could be going through To help you through the crisis or anything that you're going through and it's not just veterans but stops ultra suicide works with a military And families and the their union family members of active service members and of all generations. It's not you know it's it can be you know vietnam Generation and everything else so. I just wanted to make sure that we gave back to the Veterans that did all this work. Pretty pretty cool stuff. I mean this is what the whole basis the epicenter. The focal point of this interview is is. You've got a guy who served in it and he didn't serve a lot but it made it meant a lot to him with the small amount of you know the term that he served in it. It hit home. He saw a lot. He it meant to him. He met probably friends for life and he clearly understands the importance in the overall meaning. Most sheriff jeter. It's a yeah. It's such a small family really when you when it comes down to it that you that the number of people who actually serve in the military is quite small but I thought it was interesting. That the money's that they raised from the the previous bruce were were sent to the gary sinise foundation. Right for veterans very cool. Yeah and as we were talking one of these things where you know. Hey can you just help me out and give me an interview. Yeah let's talk a little bit and his response was hey brother right off the bat and like that's it. That was crucial. Because i see him as a brother. If if i'm ever out in doing something and i run into somebody in maybe a bad situation. I go hold on first of all. Have you ever served you veteran. And yes ref the bat. I'm like okay we can. We can talk. We can understand each other because we've been there. We've done what we needed to do. And it doesn't matter if i've done twenty seven years and he's done for six years. It doesn't make a different point as you put on the uniform. You've done your time. You sat in the trenches. You've you've had your bad in really good moments but it's going to stick with you the rest life so i understood mill house from the get go and we connected so well that you know he was talking about stop. Soldiers suicide dot org which is out of north carolina. He mentioned the hold the va situation. And i understand it. The va's there yes. They've had a bad rap. Yes they're trying to turn things around. Yes they can certainly be a helpful situation but at the same time there are other organizations that are built upon veterans that understand it maybe cut through the red tape. Get straight to the point and understand the terminology like you said. There's there's so many acronyms are so many weird things that we say to each other we get like i said i got your six. We get it and what's great about. It is like you said active duty families all generations of every war. It's amazing i got a text. I just got a text from my former soldiers who is dealing with. Ptsd he's got one hundred percent from the va and he's you know he's struggling with trying to figure out where he belongs in the world. He's going through school and you know what he needs support. He needs that extra own and He knows i can provide it to him the to go back to the ingredients Obviously because this is life in sixteen ounces. Yeah it's pretty amazing How he came up with a blue corn portion and like you mentioned the hold. Liberty independence the veterans blend which he talks about in regards to the falconer's flight We ran into this with the. The colonel is bruins in sacramento. He had veterans blend beer. And as you look up on their and his saudi authorities a list of beers you know an same thing you like. I've never heard of that beer or that hopper hopper that hop because it was great about as they're able to put together those types of blends of of hops and offer them to veterans so i hope mill house get a chance to go up to two yakima chief. Hops get veterans blake option to tour it and If i could just imagine said soon as i go back to to to ellicott city i'm visiting men are hill brewing. And i've already told my brother get your ass over there and check the place. Oh yeah big time. So real quick. I wanted to know if the be keeping portion of the thing because to me. That's just like how do you even get into that. Because honestly i see bees olympic. And i'm like my skin but you know being part of Where i work you know. I understand their importance pollinators. So here's mill house talking a little bit about the beekeeping portion of his job my brother's keeping these and house probably the last eight or nine years i wanna say on and when he got into it you know it was really kind of cool and i would just help them out. I was the guy that you know this. You know. let's do this. I need to do this. Can you come down any hand. You know so you know help out you know the game in when we gotta get hunting extract honey do all that stuff and i really enjoyed helping them out. But i really didn't know anything too much. I knew about it. But i never really done myself so it was kind of charting that i helped out with so i got a job. At manor hill. It was a really rough spring in Near the year before select twenty seventeen had pretty much just really ross years where we had hive collapse. It was just so sad. Nothing really grew. Buds are falling off. Before you know all the blues were falling off before they could get to where they needed soon days. Were really taking a beating so we had to get you know new Packages for all the hives here. And i just kind of mentioned to family at the farm that you know i'm going to be ordering detaches you know. Are you guys interested in having here on the farm because it is a great spot up on the hill back behind the top born. And i'd be willing to do the beezer walling and mary ann randy like we have been waiting for somebody to ask if that and they were they were more than more than interested in so i got all that stuff together and so The spring summer spring of twenty nine just last year. I was able to get hives in so we have to hives the first year three hives this year and then like i said soon as hives came in mary planted fruit trees close. We have apple peach in cherry trees within a stone's throw from where the beehives are back. Top barn. this is an all encompassing operation. That sounds like it will continue to grow throughout the years. Well yeah absolutely. And i had a couple of final questions for him. And regarding for instance you know when you make that leap to be able to walk into your brewing. Go look at all the steelers. Look at all the cool tubes the lines and the connections. And so i asked him what. His favorite brewing item was like when he walks in. What's what really excites him. When he gets when he gets a brew going this way to say i. I mean i really like our canning lights are catering. Line is it. Every it's are gaining line. We have cody pressure. Filters and it's it's really really tripped out. We just got up green on it and we about forty one. Kansas admitted which is a lot for us. I also asked him. Because this was something that you and i have discussed from last year november. We have this weird kind of strange window. We're like okay. Here's halloween and what do people. What a beers doing halloween. They go pumpkin crazy rights. Yeah so you can go out and you can get tons of stuff with pumpkin. Spice i mean. We did thirty five percent. Ab coverage of pumpkin beers. Please go back and listen to that. Pumpkins yeah we. We were pumpkin chunking. But then all of a sudden. There's that fast quick leap to winter beers holiday beers like we discussed in the beginning with anchor anchor brewing company peppermint cloves all spice nutmeg in we. Cinnamon we get it. That's easy stuff when it comes to things but as anybody actually struggled and took on the tough thanksgiving bear as anybody made anything that with turkey or gravy or stuffing well before mill. House comes on. I just wanted to say you could probably take ingredients that are considered bready. Yeah that might be your stuffing. I've never heard anybody. Even try to jump into the turkey world or the gravy world. but things like cranberries. Yeah pecan pie with feature those before You know there's pumpkin pie. There's apple pie. So here's here's mill house on what they've already have in store one of the beers we're going to be releasing next week is a. That's been aged and saab on blocked barrels with cherries. That we were able to get from the farm and before that it was blackberries and before that it was blueberries so we have these projects going on where we have these wine barrels without resides in actual fruit from the area in the farm. Thank you so much mill house. If you are in the ellicott city area if you wanna take a break from the norm to fill your glass with memorable experiences to get away from it all and get a bit of a nature impact on you beautiful setting it just gorgeous out there. Go and see it. Check out their beers. This guy is an absolute student who will become a master of beers that you typically you know you can get the normal stuff but if you look on their menu he's hitting on beers that are tough to brew that are absolute classic styles. And you're gonna walk away. Maybe a little tipsy. Maybe a little feeling good and you won't you won't even need robbed a block and he's got tons of fresh produce as well. Gosh can you imagine just going up there. You can fill your entire basket with everything. Okay we got. We got produce. We got a really awesome beers. Got i mean. I don't know what else they do. But what did you call me. Yes All right well thanks. Appreciate the awesome interview and everyone. Checkout men are hill brewing. Please do what you can to help. Stop soldier suicide all right. hey everybody. This is mel house. Remainder hill brewing company could city maryland. And you're listening to life and sixteen ounces What's in my point. Is the killer pills for minding brewing company here in baltimore maryland. And they're double dryhome. Keller well it looks like we are approaching last call. Let's head back into the ring for beard where to well this case four beers tag team baby back again. Two four beers enter but only to leave. I suppose yeah but they both get drunk together. They make out and swap spit. Covy somebody report him to the state. Oh my so to paint a picture here. We basically ran amok during this and we We we put a stout and porter each against one another to see exactly what it was that we would come up with. So let's go to our tasting notes yup yup hydrated. We've written down a ratings from one to five and we're gonna find out what beers take it on the chin. Go down to the mat. The winner will make it into the champions bracket return next month. Oh my end of the year thing. Gosh for our ultimate beer-drinking game which is also known as a long day and night of drinking looking totally. Beat the pair. Are we are we because i am so. I'm scared half to death for next. You should be chief. Should be. But i'm ordering some iv bags okay. Good yeah we're going to be. We're going to be doing the next show while we're sitting in gurneys some. Emt's next to us. Oh yeah medical. All right all right. Well let's start with aroma. I got a lot of room in my studio. Sure you do for sure here so on mine does this doubts first. Let's do this we. We'll do this doubts so for aroma on my stout the firestone chocolate cherry gave it a two and maybe i can't smell or taste that well. You're kind of a in a situation where you just came over. It'll sickness in so you're probably your taste buzzing your nasal issues. Well i gave my vermont. Sticky maple imperial stout from the brewery freaking five. Doesn't that just sound amazing. Would you're not disappointed because of way it's called you get that you smell it and it's like well you get in maple sweetness in is a bit of a heat. It's almost like a helen. You kind of thing that touches your nostrils kind of almost a dangerous on all right. Well you know what dangerous my middle a flavor is next and i gave it a three so kind of right down the right down the the aisle middle of the road. Yeah i gave it a four mine was even rich immediately. There's a sense of alcohol in there. You don't even have to know that to even know that sucker is gonna come in eleven point three percent. But there's a syrupy kind of that really. You got to be prepared for. This is one of those beers at you you. You're in the right setting the right mindframe. The right time of the evening or day. I i honestly i should be drinking this any earlier than five o'clock before he gets no probably dart and the maple come through bull good well. I'll say that the cherry on this stout of the chocolate jerry. I kind of thought it was minimal. I got more of a rush of a malt flavor and leather pursue. Because i was about to ask you because a lot of people are are keen on the whole cherry thing. I particularly hate jerry but some people adore that much. It has that cherry back. Nece then is pointless. So you're saying it is there. It's it's but it's minimal though okay. It's not like if you went to. And i'm not a fan of chocolate covered cherries. But if you went to see's candy. That's kind of the creme de la creme of the of that kind of stuff right oakland. I guess i guess i don't know moving on to the mouth field boy gave money to again. I don't think that i can take a well. So you're saying that maybe your numbers could go up one or a half. They probably could. Yeah my mine. I gave it a four. I mean this was velvety. It was it went went in the throat and it felt like it just flatlined in a good way flat front flatlined from the start with a bang and just never never dropped off never lingered never Decelerated it lingered really well in the mouth. Oh okay all right. That's what she say. And i want to say that. My overall thing i think you really have to serve these at the right temperature if you do any less anymore in the left part. I think you'd be okay to have a little bit cooler. But any more I think you're going to lose some of that potency so definitely be cognizant of the temperature that you serve at. And then i think we've said many many many times Is these certain beers are crucial to sip and pair with something terribly desert pair with beautiful grill or beef and things like that so yeah just and maybe self a favor and pair them right. Yeah and maybe that's what's missing. I had pancakes for life. I love this because i had pancakes syrup. So turbine there you go. I can say. I had a jimmy chunga or i had Tofu and solid before. I hide my eddie. Maple all right. Let's move on to next one waters so moving onto the porter's which would eight so we looked up the difference between staus importers. It's kind of a and you can do the same thing and you might get the same results. We did a very minimal difference. So porters are roughly three hundred years earlier in historical books of of creation. Stoute's came less Earlier and stoute's are more alcohol driven. They're they're beefier. They're just there's a lot more going on and they're kind of driven towards the kafi side. You're using borders. Stoute's more of the Coffee malts the dark roasted malts and it. Today's day and age. There's so much stuff. That brewers are putting into stoute's it's muddled and the same thing with porter's although i will tell you this to go into a brewery to go to a and find a lot of porter's is going to be difficult. They're they're kind of mixed in kind of opec in regards to Losing to their newest cousin if you will and there's not a lot of puertas out there but the ones that are true to form They're going to be a little copier and backing off on the on the on the coffee type of notes more roasted and dark chocolate kind of things but again ports can have so much infused into them it makes the difference very discernible and that's where i think people get confused but again try. Try to play a game where you where you're figuring out which one's which one's quarter and it's probably a pretty fun game and by the second round you'll be out you're right. It is a little difficult to find a quote unquote porter that maybe is not infused with coconut or not infused with something else. So with that mind. Let's get right into the pores game with roma. What have we got for your. What did you have again. I had the tadcaster samuel smith. Yeah my favorites. Who yeah at least the borough so the aerobics. I is correct. Correct all right. So i had a three again I it's really hard for me to to smell right now. With this whole other reason why i wish i was there because i would touch those knows you. Maybe i just eat some taco bell unless something. It's kind of a mexican dishes. Clean singer nostril hairs. I put down a four for my founders porter roast smoke and it just it smelled really good actually and i just had my beenish. Irish stout looks almost exactly the same as the founders porter and has a little bit of the same nasal notes. Okay well the flavor is next on this and flava flav. Yeah i gave a two and again. I'm a i'm really is not the month. I think that you know. I haven't been sick in a while but i'm down for the count. Yeah that's a good thing But i did say that it was dark. It was well balanced I did taste the chocolate. And there's a little bit of raising taste. Nice ask me. Hey let's camin actually look up a little bit about porter's figure out what profiles we should be tasting. It is a bit of a bit of a stretch a bit of a a dark hole. What's it called the The dark web. You go down to figure out what the hell but so mine and you can hate me. But i gave a five. Wow really really. Kind of founders. Puerto annoyed that. Because i've been so excited and so proud of my beenish that i made for the first time hitting it right off the thing i it's four point one percent dark irish stout in this so good well. This founders porter was insanely drinkable. I drank it i went. I wanted to drink again because it was it was crazy. How smooth it was the chocolate. The roast perfectly balanced anyway. There's my is my flavor five. Jeez all right well. What's next is mouth field mouth field. I was pretty cheeks cheeks. I was taken aback. I i gave it a four one. This thing actually. I'm pretty happy with With the mouth on this it doesn't linger it. It gives you what it's got and then it moves on from there them smith right. Yes i mean. That's that's an old brewery and then yorkshire and they don't have a bad. that's that's what i'm saying. Is eight catis oatmeal. Stout is cool gorgeous loving. Well i gave this a four on the mouth feel actually wrote down. Ready for your button. Ready smooth is and it. It has kept its head retention from from the get-go and i will tell you this by the way my stout and porter were both can't packaged if you will in july. Oh we're looking at about five five months off. Yeah exactly and to able to pour it into a glass has been pre used and not clean and retain headphones all the way down from the top down is just crazy so there you go a four man. I should give it a five help. I'll just give it a four four point one there you go. So there's my overall impression of founders porter very well while we send our numbers into a gigantic calculating machine. Tell you at the stores. What beer would you have again so you don't have to listeners. You don't have to listen to is. We're stupid we have no clue what we're talking about I did give this give this. The stout is which is from the brewery. I've been there before with my wife down southern california they make ridiculous beers that are age with this and that and the other very experimental and sours beautiful jobs down there. I gave her a taste. This is a lot. And it's super sweet and i get it so she wasn't something on the back end. She said so. I would i would say i would not be happy. Getting a four pack or hell of a six pack of the make vermont sticky maple but one would pretty much make me happy in a bunch of others. By just a sampler again around the right setting with the rights food now on the other hand founders porter. I might this might be a must have every time as soon as soon as it rains here in california which is just a couple of weeks ago And clearly mid mid november. That's when i think bring out the reporters and the darker beers and i'm ready to to to enjoy some multipurpose chocolate roasted whatever and found reporter boom fits that will perfect you. What about you. Oh well i'm not. I'm not tasting any this. yeah basically. Yeah it's going to have to be in a different month for me for me to Take these two into consideration. Get over your sickness. 'cause next month man. I'm kinda work. We're going to town on this. I'm gonna beat the hell out of your taste. Bud brennan before. We even continue. I wanna give the listeners. A bit of a caveat this is this is odd because normally were together in a studio and we're tasting each other beer at this point just tried the beer that we chose. Yeah and yes. It would have been amazing if brandon could have found a founders porter in a breweries vermont's maple boys try. I tried same thing. He has an extremely cool 'specially store in his area. I could not find the same beers so that a mine. We just simply tried ourselves. But we're gonna add the beer advocate dot com dot com numbers The the top rating of each beer to our number as we go Give you the final numbers. So is that gonna how many how many points are we're going to give ourselves like a one or two have a higher rating on such. Yes i think so. Yeah okay it's gonna be. It's gonna be like i think. Beer africa dot com gives. You like one hundred we're going to. We're going to add that to our numbers. This is going to be a crazy outlandish number but at the same time. It's still going to differentiate between who who is shrimp bringing bringing to the table. Okay so if you have a higher score than i do you can give yourself one point. And that's how we'll do for For the porter. And for the stout so i will tell you. The beer advocate dot com. Who gave his the chocolate cherry stout and eighty five so chocolate cherry stout from from firestone walker. Yes and eighty five. So what was your score for your stout on. You want to do this right now. On the radio on the podcast okay. My stout got a ninety three holy. Moly okay roy. Then i guess you get an extra point. That's all i get from that from ninety three to eighty five. I get one point. Eight plus one. That's what you get. This is like the elections plus law so on my teddy porter. Beer advocate dot com. Gave me a ninety three. Yes which is what considered is excellent or outstanding or something it lease yes okay all right. You ready founders porter on beer. Advocate dot com gets a ninety five son of a nutcracker though world class while so you get an a plus one for your for your stout anna plus one for your pores dingy son of obtaining world class beer should give me a one point five all right. Well brennan here. We go here. Come the final scores in a sealed envelope. Well head to head we find that. The ted casters samuel smith ended up with nine points versus your porter with thirteen. It's alright night. Thirteen versus nine. God gene versus nine and then onto the stoute's I given mine seven. Which is a little low. Obviously ever now but You had given yours a thirteen as well. So combining all of those numbers. It looks as though that winner of beer. Dome is paul's fricking my stealth importer tag team. So that makes the breweries vermont. Sticking maple imperial stout founders porter the winner of november's twister folks and play this game at your next party or brief visit patent-pending board game. They all rights reserved. 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The David Fincher Rankings, Part I
"Today's episode of the big picture is brought to you by Heineken Heineken. Original lager is made with pure Malt and their famous a yeast which makes Heineken and all season all the time kind of beer we're transitioning from summer to fall hopefully here in Los Angeles a perfect time to get out on the back porch and crack opening Chris, Heineken pick up a pack for having delivered today and drink responsibly. I'm John Genesee. And this is the big picture, a conversation show. That's right about the man, the myth. The director, David Fincher, joining us to celebrate the great filmmaker is the big pictures Edgardo sovereign, and we are diluting him all the way down two point Oh three percent. It's Chris Ryan what's up but you better lawyer up asshole. Chris I'm I'm very glad you're here Amanda there are a lot of reasons we're talking about David fincher this week. What are what are some of those reasons? Can you help us understand its season? Really it is the twenty fifth anniversary of Seven, which apparently you guys covered on the Rewatch ables this weekend once again, re watchable is a really flexible definition to eat his or her own. But it is a fantastic film. Later, this fall is also the tenth anniversary of the Social Network, and of course, at some point this fall hopefully, we will be seeing Mac from David venture and Net flicks. So it's Sean it's your time and I just want to end Chris. This is really it's both of you together where interests align, it's like a it's at Chris and Sean Christmas. And I I'm happy for you. I want you to know that it also turns out. We were wrong to have faith in humanity, which is Rene's is also pinterest. Turns out he was right in. So many ways in addition to this podcast and the second part of this podcast. Later, this week, it's David fincher week on the Ringer Dot Com. So we're really throwing our weight behind behind fincher and dumb I. Think we should just talk with some generic biographical details about the man because I think some of these things are overlooked when we explore his work. Well, we're. Going to do here on this episode is basically talk about as much of his work as we can, and we're going to intrude ringer fashion rank. Those things were going to rank things that are not just films not just television shows but music videos and TV commercials, and maybe even some other Ephemera over time. But fincher is a fascinating byproduct of the one thousand, nine, hundred, seventy s new Hollywood in. A bunch of different ways he was born in Colorado, but he was raised mostly in Marin County in northern California and he grew up with a very interesting next door neighbor named George Lucas and as a young boy fell in love with filmmaking watching a documentary about the making of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid he moved to Oregon as a teenager he directed plays in high school like so many. Filmmakers he worked as a projectionist at second run theater and got a chance to see a lot of movies in that work. Then at a very young age, he got a job working for John Corey at Americans Oh trope. Then he got a job at age of twenty two working at industrial light magic and got a chance to work on. Indiana Jones and the temple of doom returned to the Jedi. Becomes a fulltime commercial director at sub aged twenty five after this notorious commercial for the American Cancer Society, which will talk about a little bit here. By nineteen ninety one at the age of twenty eight, he was a feature filmmaker entrusted with a major franchise and alien three. So Chris. You and I obviously we we adore we worship venture. In many ways we've written about him collectively. We've podcast about him many times, but for the sake of posterity, what is it that you connect to about? David fincher. pitchers really different than I am. I like to think of myself as a pretty nice pretty optimistic but not particularly careful person. And I am very drawn in are two things that are a little bit or a lot different than that I. Think I'm in I'm really drawn to movies and filmmakers who dominate me and make me feel subservient and he pressure on me and Heap Lake. Illicit huge reactions for me whether they're intellectual or emotional. And he does that and I think that the thing you see from him and the thing is really cool about revisiting his work and reading interviews with him watching interviews with him and listening to his director's commentary listening to other people talk about him is that you just realize that not a single thing you sere here in one of his movies did not was not considered and it was not carefully thought about and it was thought about to provoke something in you and I I'm not that way. You know what I mean like I think I am a lot more like let's let it rip. Let's have fine. Let's see what happens. And it's really interesting that I'm so drawn ms not hardly the most interesting fincher is my reaction to it, but I'm so drawn to somebody who is like, no you need to have your cufflinks look like that in the back of a frame because otherwise someone's I might wander in the wrong direction that I wanted to and so I just feel like I am in the presence of a master storyteller when I'm watching his movies Amanda before I get your thoughts on Christie think that's why we were friends. Are you fascinated by my organizational power? Definitely. When people are like, why do you like? Sean, I'm just like dude. It's way. Wait. We shall sheets, people asking you why do you like Sean? Many people are asking me. Amanda what about for you? You are like me in many ways Taipei organized. A bit more obsessive. And a bit more. Spit stormier and Chris. Ryan a bit more cynical. So what is it about venture that that you connect with? The same things but from the perspective of seeing myself or what I would like to be I mean for me it's control perfectionism obsession which are all offshoots of control. As you know, my therapist likes to tell me but. Yeah someone who is just on it and I think like, Chris, I respond to the presence of this idea of being in the presence of a masterful make everything is excellent and we'll go through filmography. He does a thing that he does a lot of things that like I Amanda Dobbins Aesthetically don't really like I mean you know my guy never shoots like in broad daylight except for one very scary scene which we will. Talk about but like this shadows and grinding s and everything's like two and a half hours long, and it's like always about sad boys and I'm just like you know those are that traditionally I have no patience for but my guy is just excellent at what he does and everything is so intentional and so considered and you know exactly why he's doing it and it's undeniable and I have so much respect for that level of. Perfectionism and and and control I would love to be able to control any part of my life or world the way that he is able to control. His filmmaking process and I think. We'll talk about that approach because that other people don't always like it as much and I think I also relate to the fact that a lot of people are like, David. French. was really good at his job but what an asshole and I'm like. Well, maybe maybe I. That somehow and he's like he's doing it for the asshole. So to say, which is not a particularly invoke thing to say right now obviously, you have to walk line with it but Yeah, there's nobody more on it. In my opinion, you know what the thing is is I was watching 'cause we watched seven for Rewatch ables obviously even going back through a lot of his work for these pods that we're going to do this week. He kinda means other other movies just look like Shit. You and you watch one of his films. And then you try and go watch something else. Notice how you feel Notice how? Long it takes you to get used to movies that are not made by in. If you've been in the zone where you're watching seven and panic room and fight club, and even these films that maybe are have flaws or maybe these movies who just like are kind of popcorn films or whatever, and then go try watch another movie like that, and you will see that there's just A. There's just a there's just a huge qualitative difference between the stuff they makes and the stuff ninety, nine percent of other filmmakers make your he's he's definitely the form follows function filmmaker. You know he has it's not just that he is a perfectionist in his meticulous and it's not just that he is consumed by obsessive stories and in pursuit of control all the time it's that he also. Has the skill he has the craft he has the I. He sees sees what things should look like like I am a control freak, but I have no skills and so all that manifest in is spreadsheets and podcast outlines and so if you have talent, if you have a point of view and he obviously does and we'll talk a lot about that here as well it can manifest into. Something special, and you can feel when you watch movies huge weight of influence from a number of different filmmakers especially hitchcock whose been talking point on this show in recent weeks and filmmakers like Allen. Kula and Stanley Kubrick of course in Ridley Scott and Spielberg and Lucas to some extent in that whole generation of new Hollywood in the seventies filmmakers but he does really his version of those. Things he he doesn't feel unlike say to Palma who is actively paying homage to hitchcock his films. I never look at a adventure movie and then something is derivative. He maybe nodding to Klute for example, but you never look at it and think, oh, he ripped that from Klute and he does it in a couple of different ways and I wonder if it's his kind of his training that. In some ways commodified the way his things look at starting out as a music video director starting out as a commercial director you have to appeal to a kind of commercial sensibility in a way that maybe some seventies filmmakers were not as interested in Alpha, cool was not trying to make commercials for sneaker companies. He was he was you know making a kind of transgressive modern art that just happened to come in the cinematic format. And so fincher develops all of these things, these styles, these approaches, not just the sort of the materials insert shots, not just that really repulsive style of editing that he's a fan of, but he has this like is blue color. Palette. The you can see in almost all of his work key is always doing that Ridley got thing of smoke and wind and fog and rain in all of his stories because he's like. I don't know submissive to the elements in a Lotta ways. The way that we all are and I think that's also like pneumatic touchstone in his stuff is you just can't control the world the world controls you and you look if you look at all of his protagonists. They're kind of. They're all kind of trapped. They're all kind of stuck there kind of fucked and. I think that's probably the single biggest reason that I relate to him. As I, relate to the utter powerlessness, you know the the degrading quality of life a lot of the time when it feels like things are happening to you and Chris. You're such A. Such a high spirited guy you know you're such a good guy I think of you and I think like a decency a warmth of friendship. And It's it's Kinda shocking to me that you are so willing to be subservient to his work. Do you have you have you interrogated that personally? Yeah. Well, I mean I I I love that line. He has about when he talked Affleck and doing gone girl and his pitch was basically this is a guy who gets his nuts putting a vice in the first ten minutes of this movie and then we just tighten it for the rest. And I love watching that happen to people I mean that's happened to me who hasn't that happened to who hasn't felt like what you've had your nuts and a vice metaphorically speaking. Personally do you WANNA get here Chris Listen No judgment okay. I've seen seven a lot then. No. But like I think that that is keeping pressure on people is where like tension comes from you know nobody wants to watch a movie where everybody does nails it you know where everybody's just like, Oh, I got it. That was there was no obstacles. There is no, there was no hurdles. There was no. Pitfalls I. Just nailed it like nobody wants to see that didn't and he seems. To take an enormous amount of delight in doing that to his characters and unlike most other Hollywood filmmakers. Often does not reward them at the end. with with surviving the game. Yet there's a real disdain for everything. But the characters and the situations and really any sort of weakness that I really admire and I relate to the the characters who have their falls trapped in a vice like you don't. You don't sympathize with them. It's almost like well, you got caught and now we have to watch you suffer and. You know, maybe that is just a reflection of my own cynicism of, but that's often how the world goes and he he doesn't back away from that at all and I find that really upsetting a lot of the time like the some of these movies are delightful and find, and you can feel the fact that he is also like being the puppet master and having lots of fun with that and I enjoyed that the light and that lead that Chris Ryan a alluded to i. mean it's just another form of perversion which we will talk about at great length on this podcast but. The sometimes, it's fun to watch and sometimes it's really upsetting to watch but you have very specific feeling that things are not going to go well and that everybody is being held a little bit in contempt and. I don't know I guess I get off on that. If here you know here, we are out of data traffic though that we. there. There's a line of criticism against a lot of filmmakers is usually about how these filmmakers feel about their characters whether or not they over valorize him over, lionize them over identify with them or whether they have contempt with him. That's here about like a lot of like. Early to mid Devon Contemporary Coen brothers movies is you don't they don't love their characters there. They have disdain for the people in their movies. You never really talk about that with venture. It's almost like, of course, he does. He's doing to them. How can you like them if he was doing good and do these things to? Yeah, I don't think you can watch seven which obviously announced him too many people in the world and and really worry about that concern too much. He does not. He seems more interested in Hell on earth than he does the sympathies of his own characters He's just. He assaults them in. He doesn't make fun of him though that's the thing. He doesn't mock people necessarily I don't think I don't. I mean he I think he has some contempt for mark. Zuckerberg. You know and what Mark Zuckerberg represents to the future of our society but I think. Maybe maybe that's not true. Maybe maybe he does mock the athlete character in gone girl or maybe he just mocking athletic I well I mean that's one of the great questions in Weil of gone girl so much is I mean it is a it has its limitations but as a movie about Ben Affleck extraordinary and the experience of being Bene- and Christmas, talking about how he got Ben Affleck to be in the movie but I still don't know whether Ben Affleck really understands the movie that was made about him and how much was he was in on the joke or in on the commentary and how much it's happening around him and that I mean that to me is fascinating. One thing that is also fascinating to me about fincher is the fact that he has not made a feature length film in six years. It's been six years since gone girl came out and gone girl in many respects was his biggest hit and earned the most money of any movie I believe that he's ever made and it was you know he's well known for this man. And almost bludgeoning style of control with his actors and on his sets and Amanda. As you noted, that's not exactly invoke right now to took quote a David fincher music video and I I wonder if I don't think that's necessarily the reason why he is not has not been active as a feature filmmaker during that time in that time, he has helped oversee the launch of to Netflix series and really was kind of at the vanguard of the TV streaming revolution with House of cards. But if you talk to people who are in the film industry who know. David ventured demands total control over almost all aspects of moviemaking and studios are less willing than ever to grant that control and so the kinds of movies that he's wanted to make, and there are a great many unmade David fincher projects we. We will talk about I think in in the episode later this week but. He's tried to get a lot of things off the ground in recent years and hasn't been able to get in and ultimately it seems like certainly there are budgetary concerns because they don't make the kind of mid level thriller that we love on this show that he excels at, and also because studios want control of things, they want to be able to run things and David fincher wants to run things. So I'm curious what you guys think about kind of his standing in the modern movie culture make notwithstanding because we haven't seen it and you know if you think there are maybe some other reasons why he hasn't been as productive as movie maker in the last half decade. To hear him because he doesn't get offered those movies for the exact reasons that you're saying but I think I think he'd be willing to participate I mean look he's not like a snob. He makes adaptations of bestselling novels and huge stories, facebook, Gillian Flynn bestsellers, and you know. If you if you. If somebody was like seven is coming out in three months. You'll be like that's going to be a hit like the idea behind these movies is usually incredibly. Mainstream. Accessible mass-appeal movies I think the real reason is that most movies that get made and get pushed now are made with an idea towards making several. Sequels and several and making them part of a franchise and using them as part of a launching pad for a larger three, hundred and sixty degree multi-platform effort and. That requires the participation and sign off like so many people. And ultimately, David fincher does not want to probably. Shared his vision with Kevin. Or whoever you know what I mean like David, your might make an incredible marvel movie, but he's going to make it the best way he wants to make it not so that they can also do for. God of thunder in three years you know like it it it's not. It's not about like setting anything else other than the way. The best way to tell the story men, what do you think? Why do you think he is not as much in the center of movie? Culture? Right now. Well I think everything that you guys said is true and I just want to say like Kinda onset strategy aside, just the ability to be like, no, we can't do it my way. So I'm not going to do it that that's inspiring to me. That is the definition of success like David fincher made it. That's exhilarating I. I would also point out that he's been making minehunter and seems pretty involved in that and that sure seems like it takes a Lotta time definitely takes a lot of time to watch it so. And he has. He was at the forefront of. Prestige directors switch into TV and kind of making premium tv what it is so. You can read that a Lotta different ways that sure seems like he just has more control and possibility. In td right specifically with mine hunter and you know things take time. The church seems like his projects take time on the flip of what you're talking about Sean and Amanda you know we. There's one conversation about like why isn't fincher more part of mainstream filmmaking these days hasn't made a few in awhile and obviously. I almost feel like is like An I'm sure we'll talk about this is is like he did House of cards and mine owner for Netflix and was like now pay me back. Yes I get to make this passion project. But. We also don't really talk about him in the same ways that we talk about Tarantino, Anderson and some of the other. Oh towards that he is either generational related to or just in general like the content the current crop of like quote unquote great filmmakers I feel like his commercialism oddly sets aside from those people you know I, was thinking about probably the four people we've talked about the most on this podcast both you two and three together would be PTA Quinton. SODERBERGH adventure? The latter two are actually really interesting. To think about together because Soderbergh is what we were talking about the beginning, which is sort of like let's try it. Let's try it. Let's do this. Let's try this like maybe I'll do this and then I'll set it up over here. But then I'll walk away but then I'll come back and edit it and all this stuff that he's just like messing around with. And Venture is is. Equally commercial and equally hard to pin down an equally hard to assign A. Sort of like. Narrative. Psychological steamatic worldview to Much more precise, much more. Like stingy with his with this product I think but I was wondering why don't we talk about him? The way we talk about Noah. Back. The way we talk about somebody who is just like Oh like I have this emotional relationship to this filmmaker and that's what makes it great. Because his movies don't deal with emotions which what makes them good but There is a repression and a distance that I think is unbelievably powerful in David ventures work and I told you guys. We would talk about repression before we started like here we are but I think it's harder to have that emotional Omega Machado Divorce Reaction to like seven or fight club or even the social network and you know the social network is an interesting balance of nature's complete lack of emotion Kinda in. In conversation with Aaron Sorkin Mega sentimentality and I think that's what makes it so much excite you know. So exciting is that find that balance but? I don't know what are what are you supposed to hang onto feeling wise from David fincher movie besides like dread and cynicism, and we've got to talk to the big pictures number one feelings, merchants Sean fantasy yeah. I mean, this is why this is. This is my guy is I think he's as interest. He's more interested in psychology than feelings and psychology can be a very powerful tool in your filmmaker and he's able to pack and explore consciousness without necessarily dealing with the. Explosive external experience of emotion and obviously repressed gentleman that I am I can understand that in a very acute way. But I think also I mean I think the point that you're making crisis is. On the one hand a bit absurd in the context of this conversation because for me when you talk about directors like he's at or near the top of the list of over the last thirty years and is very important and we have kind of valorize that Quartet on the show in part because I think those four white men represent kind of like ven diagram of our interests as a trio and even Amanda I. Like we can kinda talk about Soderbergh on every episode and have fun and talk about Tarantino in every episode and have fun and so you know there are other filmmakers. You know we love Credit Gerwig on this show but she's only made a few movies. You can't talk about the her work and fincher has a pretty long lifespan for an active filmmaker. You know he has ten feature films as these two TV shows. I wonder if he has more in common with in emotions merchant. Steven Spielberg though then he does some of those other directors in his kind of contemporary cohort that you're talking about because of that mainstream accessible approach to storytelling. You know he's he's telling thrillers. He's telling docu-dramas about the most important companies of our time. He I mean he adapted a Stieg Larsson novel and he planned to adapt three stieg Larsson novels so His incredible interest in reaching as many people with his darkness as possible is such an interesting. Kind of inversion of what we expect from a serious filmmaker and I while he never got his chance and probably never will get his chance to make the fantastic four or whatever you know. He was he was up for Spiderman the two thousands and he made a pitch his pitch for Spiderman is legendary because he wanted to do old man Spiderman, he wanted to do Peter Parker is a photographer in his fifties over the hill, but still has his later bowers. Creepy. Bizarre, it's so fucked old man with shit coming out of his hand. So strange, it's bizarre and but and he wanted to do that before the Comic Book Movie Revolution I mean the Sam Raimi's spider man is really the first generation of movies as well before the MC you and all that stuff, and so even then he was trying to divert the mainstream. But he still wanted to make a spiderman movie. He still had an idea for spiderman movie and I think that that that really speaks to me that desire to be masked but on your own terms is so interesting and Mangga in many ways I think on paper feels like the first time maybe ever. He has gone outside of that. It really feels like a one for me to the th power because you know it's it's obviously this Netflix's film is a a sort of bio pic of sorts of Herman Mankiewicz who was the CO writer of Citizen Kane along with Orson Welles and the film was written by his father. Jack. who was a journalist who worked for the Associated Press among other places and this has been a passion project from an years for fincher and it doesn't have that girl with the Dragon. Tattoo Social Network, you know gone girl you know what? It is right away kind of kind of experience and I guess it's a little bit unclear to us. If he made those movies in the two thousand, ten's in part because it was just harder to get movies made in. These were the kinds of movies that get made and could apply his interest to the game and and and fight club movies like that were a little bit significantly more esoteric in terms of like the stories that they were trying to tell but. I I just find Manque as a as a cultural object in two thousand twenty to be really really interesting not because it's a Hollywood history, not just because it's fincher but not is black and white, but because it's just not mainstream at all and I, wonder if there's going to be similar effect here where. Similar to the Irishman where some people fired up and they're like, wow, the new film from David Fincher I just finished watching the social network. I can't wait and then they're confronted with a lot of an old screenwriter talking about William Randolph hearst that just. It's very curious choice but Amanda were you what do you think is animating that the bank decision making? Well I I do think it's a little bit personal which you know is interesting. It's obvious a screenplay written by his father and. You know. The, if he does ever talk about emotions tate's grief and I think Benjamin Button in a lot of ways `bout grief and trying to connect someone in because that's not how his movies don't like to confront emotion head on it has to be through the lens of like Brad Pitt as old baby but. This slightly like. It I think given the the nature of the the origin of the scraps. This probably has something to do with some form of emotions though I'm fascinated thi which emotions that they are and how they express themselves. I do also think that like old Hollywood was a terrible racist exploitative place like there is. Plenty of room for everything that we know from David fincher aside for maybe like you know what's in the box like in this movie and who knows I wouldn't put it past him. So I'm I'm very curious to see how the future of it all expresses itself. In manque, because I like I don't think it's just GonNa. Be You know Lala Land I mean no one thinks it's going to be land but you know what? I mean like that. Rosie. Vision of old Hollywood I think there will be a lot of grievances CR YOU and UNMAKE Amal in on bank I I'm very curious to see if this is his silence if this is The one that I've always wanted to make movies like this I don't think he's that guy. He's a commercial and music video director and all the movies he's made. are essentially genre pictures blown out to the nth degree. So I would imagine that this is more about. Him Getting to make a movie that's obviously very personal in its origin, but you know. The making citizen Kane is like a pretty. Gripping Story and the characters involved in it or it's got all the stuff that he's interested in it's got power. It's got credit got creative genius it's got. People steamrollering each other. So I I'm pretty I'm pretty fascinated but I don't necessarily think it's going to be. He's never struck me as the kind of person where it's like were it not for the machinations of of capitalism he would be making Jim Jarmusch movies like these are the movies he would make He's he's a he's way more. An accolade of really Scott and John. Cavities and I think that will probably inform even as more personal quote unquote artistic work. I agree with you to get down to the business of arbitrarily ranking things that he's made over the last forty years. Yes. Sure. So you know in the past we've we've chosen top fives and built hall of fame's and we built career ARCS and We're going to do something just a bit more expensive here because there's a lot to go through in fact revisiting. The commercials and music videos of David fincher yesterday I realized that he has been one productive son of a bitch show last forty years. He's made a lot of stuff and we think of the movies as the totemic works but he keeps himself really really busy and I think that that partially answers the question I was asking about kind of what the last six years have been like for him because even in that time he's made music videos and he's made a lot of commercials and he's directed several episodes of television. So he's he's got a lot under his belt. We're GONNA go. We're just GONNA choose twenty five of these things even though he's got well over one hundred articles of cinema on his CV overtime. And I think we're just going to have to debate a little bit. Goes where and this will be an opportunity for us to kind of talk about each individual piece and. Even though I think movies are much more valuable than all the other things that he made. There is a lot of value in some of these smaller more contained objects and how we choose to rate them or not rate them. I think will lead to some interesting conversation and I want you guys and I know I don't have to encourage you to do this. But I want you to completely upend whatever I have suggested here as we go through this format. If I have something in the mix here and you feel like I've got way too high or too low, you can cost me live on this podcast if you so choose I, want to start by putting alien three at number twenty five. We have to do an autopsy what I told you. We have to make sure how she died. And I told you. She. I'm not so sure. have to. See. Inside. Your disorientated after system. Very. Very good reason perhaps, you'd like to share. So that, we can open cleanly. With a movie and we can talk about maybe why this movie is not an iconic film and a little bit of history which I think will open a portal to conversation about where his career went from here. You guys like alien three I do yeah. I like I like all the alien movies though. You like alien resurrection. Yeah I like all the alien movies I mean like on a on a baseline of like do I like alien movies more than A. Kissing booth yeah I like alien. No shots at kissing booth budget say `I double teacher. I'm pretty into the alien movies. I know why you have this year and I respect the hustle and I definitely don't want to start this with a big argument. So I'M GONNA. No No. So, let me ask a question. Sean would alien three be here. If fincher himself was alike I almost quit moviemaking after this and they took it away from me and never again and whatever. No it wouldn't okay I understand that. He's effectively he effectively told his story. And that led to the way that we feel about his work and when he is more exultant about an experience, your swayed to believe that it's more successful in some respects but I also alien three is just not really that good. Even the assembly cut, which is the version that is closest to the vision that he had for making the movie which was released I don't know ten or fifteen years after it was originally made nineteen ninety-two is still. That good, and it's it's got a reach a high bar because. Liens are two of the greatest movies ever made they are. It's one of the greatest horror films ever made in one of the greatest action movies ever made an alien three is kind of neither fish nor fowl. It's a little bit unclear. Very, troubled movie for a lot of reasons, there was a filmmaker who is attached to it who is going to make it, and that person dropped out and then fincher was brought on board. At the time. He was a very, very hot music video director and he had started propaganda films, which was this music video company. Winner of many Vm as he was, you know highly regarded in the commercial directing space and he's got this mediocre script. He's got an incredible cast an interesting idea kind of prison colony planet where Ripley crash lands along with as you know more F- or at least the makings of Zeno Morph. And he gets to do some interesting things and there are some cool shots in this movie as there are in all David venture movies. And he gets this. Performance at Charles Dutton and Charles Dance and Sigourney weaver is always good. But the movie is I weirdly kind of stiff to me and not very propulsion as far as alien movies go. And I've been I've been tricked into the into believing the hype on it being just okay. Amanda you'RE GOING TO DEFEND ALIEN THREE No I don't I mean narratives are important. I am with you on that and I think like directors absolutely and especially directors who are much control freaks as David ventured. Is. Shape our understanding of their work, and also like I this. This kind of movie isn't really my jam and David Fincher gave me permission not to care about it and I'm rolling with it. Okay. Does thrown off a cliff win Charles Dance dies. So. Yeah, that's forty five minutes into the movie. It's a good forty five minutes though yeah, it's great. It's solid the. Interested, to see like what the rules of this game are going to be because like alien three is not. A great film, but I do appreciate alien three more than like a lot of gap commercials. Okay. Kid say that the rules of the game are you Chris Reiner here to have a voice and to challenge Sean? Why do you this pep talk every single time? Buddy. I. Abide by the rules of the land and. That's why. David. Fincher acolyte that's right. That's why you're you're. A soldier and A. Generals leading the charge. That's right. This is the. Number Twenty four does somebody WanNa make a suggestion from the from what I've got here on the lineup. Go ahead General Albans. Commercial on here I thought that would be a funny thing to do. Yeah. Also I had never seen this gap commercial on it involves a man like putting like doing golf and like, Oh, I, see why Chris likes this this gap commercial if this goes where four Wait a minute. This is fucking bullshit this. This. Is. Ten thirty seconds of anything filmed Oh my God then put it higher i. It's not number twenty, four it's not number twenty four. That's fine. I look forward to hearing you explain the merits of of commercial, which is not even among my top ten gap commercials which I have in my head. But whatever briefly, for context, this twenty fourteen campaign called dress normal that David fincher was brought on board to direct guess during the production of gone girl I don't know where he finds the time though my. Favorite of these commercials I assume it's Chris's well takes place at a driving range where a model is dancing to a nineteen fifties pop song while a guy in a leather jacket hits the driver off the tee It's a commercial that makes no sense and it definitely rules. I'm not sure if it was harder than other things on this list though I think it but what do you think Chris what do? I, think I feel like a deep connection to the to the characters in this commercial. I once love the woman who is dancing in jeans and I'm like cool jeans and then I'm also like your boyfriend seems pretty cool too because he's got good form off the tee. He shot it in the city of industry in one night I think in the middle of the night, and it's just like a perfect commercial. Let me ask you something the two of you as people who David French work. And as people who liked golf, do you think that David French our respects you a as golfers Commercial I don't to take away I, don't. I. Don't think David fincher would like me. That's not what this is about. I really really want certain filmmakers to like me I call David Fincher to think I'm pathetic I expect David fincher to know that I, have a golf training aid called a G. box and he should want me to drown in the Pacific. Ocean. Because of that. Okay. As long as you know that that that I'm fine with putting this commercial wherever. Okay impertinent question. Do you think adventure has ever held a golf club in his hands? Absolutely I. Think he thinks they're cool and also really remember uses one to hit Stellan skarsgard in strategy to so I. Think he thinks it's a useful useful weapon and aesthetically pleasing. How do you think he hits at Sixty degree Wedge Chris eubank soft stiff? Yeah. The. Attitude that's right. Yeah. That's a lot of people said. I. Amanda I'm surprised you're not writing for this. This is a beautiful commercial captures in essence of American Life Golf notwithstanding that is essential to his point of view. He's all about he's he's a brilliant commercial director because he makes products into beauty that is your job may be the happiest people in his entire films work. People aren't happy. They're like I trust this gap commercial. I'm like you David fincher have never danced happily in the street. Also, you've never met a golfer like not this is all made up and making fun of these people. That's you know that's also also have a connection to the gap commercials of the late nineties and early two thousands. Remember the one with Claire Danes and Patrick Wilson. That's a great while all the Khakis ones and I don't know that the actual joyful ones and this to me is what David fincher does very well, which is make a mockery of everything on the screen but. I don't know trust it. Let's talk about a couple of other commercials in. You can try to put them in context here I would say that company for whom fincher has shot. The most is Nike and has worked with Kennedy over many years in collaboration with Nike and he's got a handful extremely memorable Nike commercials. One. Similar to the point about golf I don't know if David cares about sports at all. In fact, I would be surprised if he did and yet. He has this extraordinary power to capture. In action in a way that very few people have over the last thirty years Chris. You know the fate leave nothing commercials when you pointed out to me many times over the years you want to explain that one. Yeah it's a it's a commercial. That basically purports to follow the life story of Ladainian Tomlinson. Shawne Merriman, and Troy Pamela. Pol Hollow Malo as they grow up from childhood. Through. College Indiana. And to your point Sean. I don't know if he's like I could see him being like a weird like I love the giants you know like I stopped watching football when when like Mark Mark Left But I think he understands what makes sports bigger than sports. You know what I mean he he looks at those is like. Greek gods or like characters in like a Greek epic or something that they're going on this incredible journey and that's like his ability to understand what makes. Different stories. Interesting is why he can make social network social network should not be an interesting movie. It should be just like a court case to be a bunch of dicks yelling at each other about who gets credit for something. He's able to dig deeper and understand like what makes those things objects of? Fascination. Do, you want to put this twenty four this commercial would you prefer to put the instant Karma commercial which you know Nike is famed for. Using the music and the images of the Revolutionary Sixties and seventies American experience and. Helping them using them to sell shoes and they've done it effectively over the years they've used the Beatles revolution they have used famously in one of fincher spots, John Lennon's instant Karma, and it's an. Incredibly. Captivating thirty second commercial for buying sneakers. Do you think that the leave nothing fate leave nothing spot should be there in over instant Karma. I fade should be over in. Sakaria, I agree with that. Okay. So instant Karma goes to number twenty four. We'll just get that out of the way I mean, it's not the last time we're going to be talking about Nike 'cause he doesn't make he also doesn't just make these. EPIC. Greek mythological visions of sport. He also has like a sense of humor to which we'll get into some of his later work. I want to put the House of Cards Piloted Number Twenty three do you guys feel about that? Gymnasts is right on a president former ago Pennsylvania, he did his duty and delivering the Keystone State lessons. Now, they're about to put him out to pasture, but he looks at me. Yeah, I'M GONNA make. A bargain here the size. I really like. Make a fool myself about mind hunter and a little while so. I, you know I think. The legacy of House of cards and a lot has become increasingly complicated but in terms of a pilot and in terms of what that meant television that was. A big deal I like I remember just being like, what is this on my TV? If I remember it was it debuted. My husband was was moving and we just had it on and kind of watch the whole thing and the the moving actually a was delayed for a long time because I was like now, I need to watch another episode of this. So I think probably given everything we know now this is where it needs to be I still think the pilot is an achievement I think so too obviously. Chris talked about on the watch lot over the years and. What a significant. Entry it was until the world of television and similarly to to the sort of mainstream work that he pursues like this was a British series that. I think is just like a very chewable kind of unimportant but also about the most important things in the world kind of television and there's a whole wave of other kinds of shows that were happening at this time you know a lot of the Shonda rhimes shows seemed to have a similar kind of soap operatic energy about people in extraordinarily serious positions of power Obviously Kevin Spacey in the Center of the frame of this show complicates its legacy as Amanda was alluding to but purely as a filmmaker, an a maker of things that people WanNa consume like this is just Heavily proposed like the flintstones vitamins of TV you know it's just very very consumable and maybe not as good for you as you think it is. Yeah. I mean it starts binge watching in a lot of ways and that's where we certainly I learned this behavior that has had benefits and also its drawbacks, but it's certainly significant. I don't know what percentage of of scenes and David adventure movies and TV shows are just conversations in a room but it's pretty high. You know we think that there's a common feeling that like he is this technically proficient or that he's a flashy director but really I think he's mostly interested in shooting. Conversation scenes, interior conversation scenes, and the that's almost ninety nine percent of what house of cards is. So it was. A lot ways perfect material any let's. Spacey Chase the idea of I'm gonNA play this like it's a Shakespeare play I'm going to do this in like a very hammy big way. It's got a really good supporting cast. So yeah, I mean the the first couple of seasons of House of cards are quite good. And and this pilot was certainly pretty breathtaking hit. I wanted to put a music video here. Now, he's made over fifty music videos and a lot of them are for artists like Rick Springfield and the outfield and wire train and he really Kinda cuts his teeth in the eighties making. These kind of like chintzy looking videos where he's kind of just ripping off the Scott a lot in particular the BOP till you drop video by Rick Springfield is so weird I. Don't know if you guys had a chance to revisit that one, but it's basically like a it's basically an alien movie set in in the middle of a Rick Springfield Song Bad Rick Springfield Song, and so I find that most of the stuff that he does between eighty four and. Eighty eight eighty nine is kind of negligible. You know he's he had this long period of time to kind of figure out what his pallet was the way that he'd like to shoot things what kind of technology he liked to use to shoot these things what kind of film stock you like to use he's playing around a lot and then I think he I think he meets Paula Abdul of all people. I think it's really Paula Abdul. The former Lakers, cheerleader and pop star. I of. The Sarli Arly, very closely related to. Development as an artist I think we might have to Paula Abdul Videos on this countdown, which is kind of absurd because when I look back and I listened to these songs just standalone without seeing the videos. All can't sing like, did you did you guys realize when you were growing up the Paula Abdul can't saying take it back I mean it is true that. The Paula Abdul experiences so tied to those videos and I can see the video as soon as I hear the song but please respect Paula Abdul and my presence okay I like Paul Jewell. Songs a lot and. Yeah. They're really enjoyable that was like the ninety ninth take like David fincher just like eating out every sense I'm ocean or like believability from you but. You know what? I'd been thinking when I was going through all this I was like you know what? God dammit why Hasni ever made a musical as well? Yes, he has. Is he has he's essentially making these Bob Fosse. Videos with Paula Abdul. For a two year stretch and He did I have no idea whether adventure things Paula Abdul can sing that I guarantee you. He thinks he's an incredible choreographer and dancer and David Fincher for this period of time I think he sort of. Moved on from this a bit although you can still see it when like. He just decides to expose Daniel Craig's torso at various points in Dragon Tattoo. But he's fascinated with the human body and how it moves and I think so she And it's really interesting to watch him kind of like approach this from awake I always think of musicals is this idea of like you know the person filming it or the person choreographing directing it is really like attached to like. The like let every voice sing aspect of musicals but I think ventures only interested in the human bodies moving the music is secondary, maybe the rhythm matters or whatever. But it's fascinating to see him come at something that we think of is so like a a few sieve and full of emotion and he's like, no, I'm interested in the way the knee moves. I'm interested in the way an elbow crosses and stuff like that. It's so cool. Yes. So the the the video that were essentially talking about his coldhearted, which is from nineteen, eighty nine and is in fact an. To seen from all that jazz the Bob Fosse film where he's doing the choreography for takeoff with us and This was an interesting video to watch as a seven year old I would say it It created some new feelings inside me. She we talk about the erotic awakening that music videos provided at that time. Yes. Please speak on it Chris. Had just like a lot of stuff in music videos that was you wouldn't see ordinarily let's just put it that way both in terms of dance. In terms of the human body being exposed. And I remember this was on a loop. And I felt things you know what? I felt things that as a young man, I only have felt. The first time going through these things. Then what happened walk us through it how did you physically respond? I I learned all the choreography from the video. And performed it at our First School Dad's. That I had to go into witness protection. That's the thing I think in the same way that we're talking about how this guy was able to adapt stieg Larsson and Gillian. Flynn. He was able to transform What could be perceived as like a cheesy version of late eighties early nineties pop music, which I liked. You know just like Amanda like I'm I'm not above coldhearted I dig that song but he made it seem more serious and more beautiful and more transgressive than it actually was because he had this he had arrived at this very. Particular style. This editing style like what Chris is saying this kind of interest in the physiognomy of humans and the way the he'll captured their bodies not just in motion but kind of in close up and it's just a really cool video. It's not as best video He's actually got a handful of videos that I would. I would say describe as high art but. It's a really good video. So we're going to put coldhearted in number twenty, two, I think this means that fate leave nothing from the Nike Campaign has to go twenty one Chris can you deal with that? I can deal. Okay. So we've got twenty, five, twenty, one we're going to get through. 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Kind of a mixed bag here. I, want I want to go with Amanda Choice Next I e even getting this above the lowest hair wasn't a type show. That's fine. I Like stabbed number twenty even though I think you don't appreciate enough. It would be that gone girl director's commentary his moment described at the end of the scene where nick done has to reach into his duffel bags backpack and get out a baseball cap that he's bought at the airport and he puts it on and walks away in hopes that people don't recognize him from the television and put together that Tim that he's in their presence. And I really wanted to be Yankees Cap but. Being from Boston. And not being. Very professional as an actor Ben refused to wear a Yankees cap and we. Did Not. Come to blows but we had to shut down production for four days as we negotiated with Patrick White's over what would be the best thing which is an extraordinary documents You know I think I'll directors. Your mileage may vary directors commentaries and how much you like to hear it like kind of people blather on and how much you WanNa, learn about specific shots but David, French who performs in this one specifically performs about Ben Affleck in a way that. became a meme and sort of you know a urban legend of the Internet except it's real and is just hilarious to me, and so there's just the baseline him making jokes about Ben Affleck wanting to wear a yankees hat not wanting to wear yankees hat instead of a madden just joking and he is being. Dry and sarcastic and all of this but just roasting affleck because that's a funny thing to do. And I think that's funny too and then it does also kind of add to the complexity of what the movie is about and chimney is also slightly revealing of like the man behind the curtain and how he thinks about things and his approach to. The themes and the people in his work, which is what we're talking about on this podcast. So that's it. The director's commentary. Thoughts. Yeah. I mean one of my favorite commentators on his own work. And you so any of the DVD commentaries are probably worth your time. I also really liked the feature at that comes with social network that's like an hour and a half long. Where you just get to see a lot of him. Sitting across from Sorkin, interrogating like every line of dialogue and you really do see why social network is probably the best fincher script and why it's also the best sorkin script because you're saying. This is Tiki, take this out, take this out and Sorkin just kind of going with it and I. It's incredible snapshot into a working relationship also. The movie it could have been and how they made the movie that we got I like that pick I think every single one of his films you'll find that there is just a treasure trove of bonus features. He does commentary for almost every film made he willingly captures the making of his movies, but in verse, similarly controlled way as the making as the way he makes his movies themselves and there's just a lot to explore with his work in an ancillary way. So Great Pick Amanda. Chris. You you you you WANNA fight hard for mind hunter right so I I had imagined mind hunter being in Tier D. but are you would you prefer to trade my mind hunter with one of his I guess a lesser celebrated films and move one of those into this section absolutely. Yeah. I. Think I think Hunter as in total is for me tear a I think we're not going to allow that here. Okay. I'm saying that is that that's where I'm coming from in the in the fincher exit survey that we did for the site I said that might hunter was my second favorite after tie for first? Okay. So, what do you think should go into your d the girl with the dragon or panic room panic room I think pat panic room is technically marvellous but is the film I returned to the least of his. So funny. You should mention that I just returned to it over the weekend and You know I watched it in my house where I'm watching everything these days in my house. The panic room. That's what you your house. That's what my wife calls the house unfortunately. There's a lot of natural light in my house and panic room is a very hard movie to see if you're sitting in a home with a lot of natural I do it is a movie that was made for movie. Theaters is a movie that was made for screening rooms and that compromise my ability to watch this movie in the way that it was intended but it's still I mean it's head and shoulders above every thriller made in a five year window around it. It just so happens to be made by the person who is the best at making these kinds of movies in it's his you know whatever quote unquote least effective means, but I still liked it a lot and I I was impressed. By the level of performance, he's able to get out of everybody in the movie I. Think it's a really really fun acting showcase for not just jodie foster and Kristen Stewart but for force whitaker and jared Leto, of course, really just going way over the top and this movie and then Chris your boy how will you remember play by Dwight Yoakam Yoka man? Yeah. The Long White Cadillac himself. I like panic room but I think I agree that it is. Probably, his second least successful film anything you guys want to say about it. I I mean, it's still great and it does that thing that I really love when movies just kind of encapsulate like an entire idea and become a reference point on their own I learned what a panic room was from panic room and. The becomes something that is kind of inner consciousness and that speaks to the effectiveness I think as Chris said earlier of just like within ten minutes you know exactly where you are. You know exactly what's going on you know everyone's motivations. There's like an economy of of storytelling and also in this movie, just the way that he communicates the space of the House and where everyone is at once like the choreography of that is. Really impeccable and you understand it. So easily I, it's it like the whole thing with the flammable gas and then everyone's arms being on fire some of it just like technically hasn't aged as well as other stuff and that's okay. But that's scene is riveting. The way the way that he the way that he shoots that scene in the way that it's staged a block is so exciting and you're right that you can feel the kind of like turn of the century digital photography and CGI in the way it's like the fight club title sequence as an entire movie. Yeah. Yeah. which is you know that does it does make it difficult to celebrate it in the same way and it does age in a way that some of his other like seven just doesn't h. Seven is GonNa look modern actually bill made this point on the podcast that it's just GonNa. Look modern forever and movie like panic room can't do that. But. It's A. Obviously, a purposeful comedown from fight. Club. Fight. Club was filmed on over four hundred locations. It is the sprawling movies famously. Kind of a flop and regarded with a lot of skepticism and even some anger and with me obviously just wants to strip it down to make a hitchcock movie and he basically makes rope and rear window and mashes them together and he gets his version of a movie like that, and for that purpose, it's really successful but in the constellation of his work, not a successful is it prefers perverse to put a Charles Barkley commercial ahead of panic room, it might be. Written. Assuming. They. Take. Turkey off. A chance to revisit Barclay on. Sick sick commercial something that I don't think I realized that he had made this until I started researching it but it's this big bold black and white Omar to busby Berkeley movies and yes, that is a lot of alliterative bs I apologize it was not intentional but is such a cool looking commercial and it also features original song written by Chuck D in commercial and only in the nineties could you get something like this only in the nineties? Could you get a black and white TV commercial for sneakers starring the most ornery superstar in the sport with a song from the front man of public enemy In an Omaha Sh to nineteen thirties Hollywood it's so strange was such a cool commercial Chris what do you? What do you? What do you think of Barclay on Broadway? I there's something so weird about how this was an era when you weren't supposed to sell out, you know I don't think that there was as much participation right at this moment. From the arts in commercials or from artists in commercials I mean there you people would do their like Japanese coffee commercial that no one would ever see. But it was really only in the early two thousands I think that you started to see a little bit more. Of A mass participation in this kind of stuff. So it's so subversive in a lot of ways almost because I feel like they're like we'll take your money, but we're going to do whatever the fuck we want with it. You know like there has there's a little bit of a rebelliousness to just the act of. Subverting both Barclays Image also taking Nike's money and making like a German impressionistic. A. A German, like film about like a Nike Sneaker. He's he's made a lot of things like this. He's made a lot of very knowing. I mean a that famous I think it's a Coca Cola commercial starring the arquette's when Courtney Cox and David arquette still married with takes place all in their apartment. It is like a weird commentary on fame and selling out there's that famous I didn't put the Brad Pitt Heineken commercial on on this list but I think that one you could credibly make of the Paparazzi Brad Pitt craving sixer of Heineken commercial on this list there. Is a James Bond. Omar for the Honda del Sole. It is one of his most famous commercials. There's one called the chase for Levi's your did leave is quite a bit over the years. That's like a kind of an action movie. You know like it's like the French connection with a starring a hipster. He's got this like broad Palette of commercials that are all so fascinating and you know it sounds kind of gross to be praising this stuff. Yeah I was just going to say you know I was slightly younger in the ninety s when these were coming out. So I remember a lot of them and I don't think that I was grown up enough to understand the concept of subversion, and so I think I just watch a lot of these being like Oh. Cool. This is commercials are in isn't capitalism awesome contain all this art. No. But seriously, I mean I wasn't thinking of capitalism that way either. But definitely in terms of like what I Amanda Dobbins took away from the ninety S I was struck by the fact yesterday that you know when Sean was just sending us like tons of youtube clips unanswered and it was like a bunch of Rick Springfield videos, and then a bunch of commercials and I was like this is an interesting insight into how our brains were wired and depending on how old you are in how able you were to Kinda. Critique the Meta text. It's otherwise it's just like being like, wow. Yea Capitalism and I know that's not the intent, but it is. It's funny. But I do think that it was almost this changing of the guard where if David fincher was ten fifteen years older, he probably would have come up making exploitation movies like he probably would come up making movies, Roger Cormon or something like that like the waist crazy and Jonathan Demme did and instead he comes up making commercials and music videos, and that's where he cut his teeth. So it's like it's almost like a very seventy s versus eighty s story in that way. Hey. What's up everybody? I'm Djamil Hill van late. And are used fans of the wire. So we teamed up with the Ringer to drop the wire way down in the whole analysis sparkasse the hit TV series Jelena's discussed epic moments key cared a deep dive fascinating theories and special award for every single episode of the show. So tap into the wire with us on the wire way down in the hold from the ringer. PODCAST network available now on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts I, think even in the commercials that he makes don't have that that burnt acidic approach or vision of the world he still is able to do things technologically that are just way ahead of the curve, one of the the campaigns that I came across that I had no idea who was responsible for his this. At and T. campaign called you will that aired in the ninety s which was on television all the time or at least the television that I was watching an was. Yeah. Celik exactly. It was narrated by Tom Selleck and Those commercials basically invent the Internet. They invent facetime they. Invent. Social networking they invent. Invent them per se but they visualize what would come to be the way that we would communicate with each other in the modern world and I'm sure some of that comes from what at and T. is asking adventure to do. But some of it is him being able to visualize in the same way that say Stanley Kubrick was able to visualize what was coming in the future. He's able to do it in these. These corporate. corporately funded products and I don't know that I necessarily want to celebrate. Actively, what whether Coca Cola was successful or not? Because of David, ventures campaigns, but it's so interesting that he used these formats to experiment to play with storytelling in very short formats and Poke Fun at this stuff in real time to poke fun it celebrity to poke fun at consumerism. The same way his movies do he really is he's able to have his cake and eat it too and most people in his position don't aren't able to do that. Maybe he'll come under fire twenty years from now for being a craven monster who is cashing checks at a time when people should have been doing that but we're not doing that here on the show today. So that's why we have Nike commercials on this list. Amanda, if you had to choose between express yourself Madonna or straight up by Paula Abdul for number seventeen and number sixteen, what order would you put those two in? In terms of my memory I. Put straight up by Paula. Abdul at the top and I don't know what that's about. I have such specific vision I think of Paula Abdul, doing those dance moves maybe I learned some of the choreography myself. I definitely had a Paula Abdul like workout video that was just like a dance workout video I. Guess My mom had it. Don't want my childhood wasn't that sad don't worry but then I stole it because I liked Paula Abdul. So I can just see her doing the you know the the Paula Abdul and then Paula. Abdul Shadow doing doing the moves. I know that express yourself is like a more ambitious and probably like broadly iconic. Video but I just I'm just glad that straight up is is here in this year. Chris would you do you think that? One of these should be eliminated in favor of Don. Henley's the end of the innocence. Is Better. than. Bedroom. I won't say, can I just say one thing in favor of express yourself? Yeah is. It's cool to watch him work so much intended them with someone rather than this person happens to be the subject of the video i WanNa make I think he obviously works in tandem with Kepala Doina on a choreography level, but he seems to be actively participating in the Madonna image machine and the Madonna sort of celebrity industrial complex in that video in a way that I guess he does George Michael Freedom Ninety two, but he seems deeply engaged with Madonna and I think that it makes it really interesting video and that was also. Video when it was on when it was like really popular was on like basically twenty four hours a day on MTV. So as soon as I saw the first images when I saw the link in your rundown Sean, I was like I remember every single shot in this video like it's imprinted on you. I'M GONNA have them be tied at sixteen and Seventeen. So just so we can create some fairness because on the one hand I think the Paula Abdul video is imprinted on many people's brains who were alive when that was released and also express yourself I think. You could potentially credit. For creating an opportunity for Madonna to continue to be the most important or one of the three most important pop superstars. Course of the next ten years the the body of work that Madonna starts with fincher, and then they later make together which obviously is. Iconic in more ways than one but express yourself. I think is where things start between the two of them and is a movie. I mean the way that it's shot the width of the budget onscreen Paula straight up is is sounded motion. You know it's the human body dancing and its the right song and the right filmmaker, and in some ways, it's the tuneup frank, right? It's black and white. That's it's it's it's stripped down and it's like the power of what he can capture with his camera and express yourself as the opposites production design smoke and fog. It's a it spans like twentieth twentieth century celebrity pretty much. It goes from like nineteen thirties like golden era Hollywood through you know. Through the eighties I, it's. It's yeah. It's really epic. So we've got we've got to your D- down. We're GONNA go to our final tier for this episode. To your see. We have five contenders I'm just GONNA. Put Two commercials up top here right away. The first is, is the gap dressed normal commercial, which is beautiful I don't think it's better than anything else that word about to discuss your on the show you've already heard Chris Wax rhapsodic about that Palanquins anything else share their. No I think he's some. Okay Another set of commercial campaign that I had no idea was David fincher. But that I learned last night that might have been my favorite commercials of that era barring the Mars blackmon Jordan commercials were Nikes the referee campaign starring Dennis Hopper which speaking of subversive and speaking of things that seem impossible right now, this is an arch analysis from one of the leading figures of nineteen sixties and seventies American counterculture. Or train a referee who is obsessed with. And obsessed with celebrating. The NFL. Oh. The ballet of bulldozers, moments of greatness. See of fury that crowd fickle, fanatical and faithful every kickoff, his possibility everytown war. Obviously, one big joke on the NFL Pratt and. Champ believed that they got away with this not only did they get away with it but these commercials ran all the time during football games in one, thousand, nine, hundred four, which is also right in the height of speed Era Dennis? Hopper when when you know the kind of like come on man like that version of hopper was very present in the culture. CRM released commercials course. Yeah. It's just like the thing is, is that kind of like what Amanda was saying about watching? Seeing some of these ads growing up like these do kind of just blended into the experience of watching to. Football. Games for eight hours on a Sunday as it's getting darker earlier in the East Coast. So when you included them, I was like I I. Guess I didn't really think of them as act of filmmaking as much as part of a barrage on my on my senses back then. They're immensely effective for me. Okay, we've got thirteen twelve and eleven to fill I've got three candidates here. One of them is a historic document that's very important for David fincher. One of them is a historic document that's very important for Chris Ryan and one of them is the girl with the Dragon Tattoo. Amanda what order do you think these three should go in? A I think that mine. Be. At Thirteen Dragon Tattoo should be twelve American Cancer Society Commercial. The smoking fetus should be at eleven but I can see Chris Ryan's face I Chris talk about mind. Hunter I'm you know? I just WanNa know did I miss some fucking quorum were Benjamin Button was critically reappraised. Do you WANNA. Make another trade you WANNA trade down further. Your. I'll trade another movie, but we're going talk about Benjamin Button I think that. It has a rich taxed. and. Taxed it's also the hottest that Brad Pitt has ever looked onscreen. Okay. When they meet in the middle and he's a normal Brad. Pitt and you're just like, wow, so I I'm not. I am demanding now that we take your audio, you saying it's the hottest Brad Pitt ever been onscreen and that it's just over the whole land baby. Old. Baby Body. Brad Pitt but it just didn't mind hunter at number two whatever it takes. Okay. So you don't like American realism. Chris here are the other options to trade. Seven I will not be trading you several ninety seven during that fight club I will not trade you fight club. Zodiac I will. Direct you just have to list of those social network. I will not trade you the social network gone girl. I will not trade you gone girl what about the game? Now I love the Game I love the game too. But that is that's the that's the candidate. That's the candidate. So you. Youth Amanda do you think that mind hunter is better than the game because that's the game that we're playing here? What's better? I. Suppose Time Ikley it's better. I think hunter in addition to being a TV show that I just never made it through because all my God it went on forever and ever is I think like? Focuses on some of fincher it's it's not what fincher is good at it like it kind of highlights some of the things it's a little self-indulgent. There's not that distance and that coldness in that appraisal that I think is what makes all of his other work So powerful, it's like it's too much psychology frankly, and at some point like I don't have time for it but. I do understand that. Technically it's quite something. I Love Jonathan Groff. I. Think all the performances are very good obviously inspired take contour, which is an important cultural met. For the people in this group. So I'm willing to put it above the game but then we're gonNA have to everyone's going to have to come. You know with some honesty and their their defenses ready on part too because I I don't have time for this at the number two spot. I'm telling you that right now that's okay. I understand that this isn't my personal journey. This this is about coming to some sort of consensus. So I feel like I've I've I've gotten it higher than I was hoping I thought it was going to get. So let's let's keep it in this too and I, just can't. Trade it into the next year I mean what we're going to say I just wanted to say something about the game. Okay. Sure. Of course, I was watching recently. And I didn't realize but it's probably in the top five movie kitchens for me of all time, which is just a very important thing to to isolate I have spent a Lotta time compiling that document and I think fincher is really wonderful at real estate and interiors and general see also panic room beautiful townhouse would love to live in it. I would even consider it. After the fact you gotta assume you were going to get quite a deal. But I believe it's a town stone in panic room the fame brownstone townhouse Combo. Okay. Well, it's great i. mean the original details, the moldings the staircase you know seems like it's got a lot of space. I just I also think that the game has a lot to offer in terms of real estate and also Michael Douglas Fan and there ends my soliloquy. I can't I can't allow. Hundred over the game Chris I'm sorry. Are you being serious? Yeah I can't allow that. The game is is, is I just know I will have my revenge on this potter the next Okay. Hold on hold because we didn't offer up all the All of the possibilities, there are also three music videos in the top ten here you WanNa give that away right now are we going to give away what music videos are going to appear on? I? Guess it doesn't matter well, I think process of elimination people are probably going to figure it out. It's not three rick springfield videos, everybody. That's true. Well, I would say. Let's just talk very quickly about the music videos that we didn't put on the list here. That are pretty well known I mentioned how if you guys talk more about music videos and then we get to the end of this episode, but you fucked me out of mind hunter and I just never talk about mine hundred for the whole four hours. We're to do this podcast I quit Chris you've been talking about nine hundred non stop for three. And a half years just they can take your foot off the gas. Bro, it's going to be okay. Can I ask a procedural question? Yes. Late still where'd you in part one today and then I think sean very cleverly has built in forty eight hours or so for all of our resentment and regrets to like simmer before we record part two. So as part one, completely closest I've always you mean like be revisions to the order I. Yeah. I think that. Putting this podcast up tonight getting the mentions coming in full of PISS and vinegar on. Wednesday. Only makes for good content. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, that's by design for the rest. Of course it's very good Amari kind of angry but. Okay do you WanNa talk about these videos do you WanNa? Tell me from what happens. Christy TURLINGTON LIP synching is better than mind hunter. I will do that on the next episode of this show. That serious have we matched please listen to everything. I've ever seen in my entire life and that will be the answer I'd respect. Ted, that video is in contention for a top five spot yes. That's a that's a very important. Here's some videos we're not talking about there are people probably say, why didn't you talk about this cradle of love by billy idol incredibly famous and well known sixth avenue heartache by the wallflowers invented instagram go back. That's GONNA. Get selling to judith by perfect circle. Great Great Rock and roll video. Years. Old Rock and roll. Fuck. Almost as good as Rick Springfield. Suit and tie. Jt and Jay Z.. That happened lull knock. That was not all that that was such a great pop culture moment that was really really funny. Chris. You fought hard for the end of the innocence as I mentioned, and we said that that's that's on making the list here. If you guys would just please make a donation to the Walden Pond Foundation in my name. Yeah you. You also wanted to chat about Steve Winwood, as I recall Chris Right. Guy was like we have to go all in on Walden. That guy. Yes I remember when Don Henley said that. Let's not talk about the three music videos because I'm not taking any of those out of the top ten Chrissy. Hunter. Goes the twelve. How I mean, it's your show. It's your show. Mu. We all we all eagerly anticipating your event. and. This is what happens. Do you WanNa talk about? This is wrangles revenge. Let me tell you something. Yeah David. Fisher got credited for however many episodes. He did he directed he is the director of mind hunter. And he made a twenty hour film about how this country broken half and how evil came out of that Fisher and how we like I've just lost ourselves as a nation but also like found out who we really are, which is a bunch of fucking perverts and a bunch of deviance and that the only way really truly understand one another is to like truly give into the deviancy inside of us at least like try to psychologically identify with it. I think that there are parts of it that are flat and it's a story told over so many hours that there are laws but I think the medically and dramatically to be it's it's. It's it's a different work from him and I it's a lot of ways. Up there with Zodiac for me but I understand that other people don't see it that way and I it's not about me. You know making people agree with me I'm just I'm just offering my cheeks. What a week need to? Be On there. So here's the only thing that I would say like. I don't want reconciliation from David French, which is why not particularly interested in mind hunter but shot, you're GonNa have to defend your position because all you do when mine hundreds odd is talking tweet about might not dirt. This is mind hunter. So you have to justify doing this because I have to listen to you both talking about it. So much I do here's the thing I just would rather. This is anti television bias nasty. What it is that is what is that is that is exactly what I was going to say Chris, which is that I would have rather had two or three David adventure movies instead of this TV show, which is a great TV show, but is a TV show and I just don't I'm glad. That way being David fincher disagree. I'm sorry but it's it's it's stuck at twelve. Chris. Okay. Let's talk the American Cancer Society. Commercial we don't need to impact a fucking American smoking's bad for you like that no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no, that's not. That's not the point that commercial did something that no commercial had ever done before and it was it was for a nonprofit and it was so transgressive that it basically set him on his courses a filmmaker. It got him more opportunity that saying that got him out. Of, the the drudgery of working at a matt photographer and able to write his own check to become his own man to launch propaganda films, which changed music videos to become a future filmmaker who made all these movies. So it's really important. Now we can put it at thirteen. It doesn't really matter. This is a fake list. No one's really counting, but it is important and minehunter is you know the work of a rich guy in his fifties who super serial killers like? If. We're. Talking. About. Importance. I would put the cancer commercial ahead of mind hunter but not less. Let's talk very quickly about dragon. Tattoo. I re watched it last night. this is deeply. Deeply deranged movie. This fucking rules just a rules, but it's just so fucked up. He is just like a completely weird on main and like millions of people I bought this book and movie and we're like sure. So or read it is saying that these stiegler Larsson were as popular as they were and that then this was made like into a Swedish version I and then the. David fincher was like sure I'll make it and Daniel. Craig Rooney. Mara. We're like sure we'll be in it like what is wrong with everyone I'm into it pretty great I I. Love It I'm very very proud of everyone who signed on to make this movie. I'm not actually. That they didn't make more news grain. This movie robin rate is she doing just a little bit of a Swedish accent there. Have you did you do you notice that when you watch it? I didn't notice to be honest. It's really like it's a IT'S A. It's an inch deep, but a mile wide. Accent. Sterling capturing something. You know I didn't read this book a Man I think he did read this book I, read all the books which again, what's wrong with me did not have anything better to do with my time. They are not well written that the politics are very upsetting just a tremendous number of open face sandwiches which I know I talked about before but it's like literally imprinted on me that everyone is just eating teens all of the time in Sweden and then doing crazy sex stuff like it's when it's just simple. It's very damaged than it is him Kinda circle in the square on a lot of his interests, but it's also. It fits perfectly and it was filmography rights total procedure movie. It's all about it's a detective trying to discover what happened in the past and he really frankly never discovers it like he's got it. All wrong even when he solves it, which speaks to that kind of got. In a fucking like harness wearing a neck brace and Stellan skarsgard like maybe I'm gonNA cut your appendix out in front of you and he's like wait you I. got it. All wrong. It's like I'm not even like I'm not going to die for a good reason and I wanna leg yes and years playing I wanNA make a mean out of that scene with Daniel Craig is all tied up like die and just be like w Sean. Has To watch Ted Lasso with me. With who's who I'm in the neck race? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That's what I need Amanda to come through with the golf club. From the television Sh. The girl to drag out is a fantastic movie and if made by any other mainstream American filmmaker, we would have said how in the world did this happen but by the time we got it from venturing. We're like, of course, at the end of course, I would say. On the teaser alone what teaser trailer? Yes the song that you heard at the top of this podcast was Karen O Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross's cover of led Zeppelin's immigrant song, which is the same on that. You can hear in that teaser and at the beginning of the movie, a conic recording the title sequence of this movie is also deranged it appears it's like a tool video basically just all like leather and melting goo and technology bleeding all over itself it's an HR. Geiger. Sculpture Come to life and I just feel like we skipped over it as a society I feel like, yeah, this guy made a blockbuster with James Bond and was just like rubbing grease all over himself and being like you disgusting fuckers and we were all like Yep that was a big blockbuster movie that didn't quite live up to expectations. Let's keep moving and that. Like when does that ever happen? When do we get something like this? Well didn't the good news is next year is the ten year anniversary of the girl with the Dragon Tattoo and we will be doing venture we to hopefully. That kind of does it for this episode though we'll be doing part two of this podcast later this week once you've had a chance to share your acrimony and distaste with Chris and Amanda but not me on twitter that's actress Ryan seventy-seven and Attic Dobbins Babe. Dimensions legislation. So definitely hit. Manda thank you for participating in part one. I'll see you later this week.
"How I Do/How I Did" The Season 1 finale with Recording artist "Res"
"Back everybody will come back to los announced podcast. I'm your host. Carlos reyes otherwise los alright so res laos is like this last part of my of my name right obviously like blast but for me lows means I don't know what love. Oh my god. Hey everybody this is your host. Carlos ray is otherwise known as knows what's going on welcome to episode number fifty five zero mother fuckers five zero. We made it. Listen if you're a new listener or if you're somebody who's been rocking me since episode number one i just wanna humbly say thank you. I don't care if you're in the united states. I don't care if you're in japan. I don't care if you're in south africa. I don't care if you're in germany. France malaysia canada all these beautiful countries around the world. It doesn't matter because you tuned in. That's what i cared about now. It also blows my mind that you're also listening from germany south africa. Malaysia can everywhere. There's over twenty countries listed and it blows my mind. And i can't thank you enough for rocking with me when i did this show because it's kind of like a show right. It's not necessarily a podcast. It's become kind of like a cool little radio show to away. I'm hoping to get it on new season too and have a video component with it. Because i feel like that would bring so much more flavor to the meal right. I wanna give you the song. I want to be the spices for you but thank you because this little messy podcast show this little messy shows. You've you've rocked with it even through of its imperfections and. I hope that i've entertained. You moreover a hope that. I hope that you feel like you're at home when you're listening it and i hope you've connected with it and so much way shape or four and they're also pray that you know that i've been completely transparent with all of you in a portable hard into this really given a big a big chunk of myself so it means the world among to take a break for several weeks. I'll be back stronger and better than ever and ready to perform for you on season two but please in the meantime hold me down and recommend the shelter. Everyone is as much as possible. Let's keep the fire going. And i cannot wait to present to you. This incredible interview with recording artists. Reese because you know. I've only been waiting since i was nineteen years old. Thank you for all your support. I'll see season two and please stay safe. God bless you're and listen to me. Your favorite before fire opened the doors to the lounge. Can you take off your shoes please. I don't like the track at the lounge. All right all right. All right all right. Letterman doors are now open at the lounge. Come on into lotions. Now's it's an incredible safe fun space where we can talk about everything from how culture celebrity news the best stodgy memories from the ninety s wonderful group chats and the best interviews. Come telling you it's all up the balance for a lot of fun. Commodity and down. Both is now concludes took who took five zero. We reached five zero episode move. Be finale to motherfuckers. Gad de needs a break a break papa needs a break. We'll come back to all my back and you believe in fifty episodes. We're getting old loungers. Said no one said no one not. I said the cat. And it's a good one because i'm interviewing recording artist. Release one of my favorite artists since the age of nineteen and twenty years later. We are celebrating the release of a first album entitled how. Why do i need you to go. Checkout reese right now and all streaming platforms. How i do black girls rock refried mac and soon to come reset and then it was my privilege to interview her and we posted it on my instagram. Live so if you go to act carlos. My name is spelled with a k. at carlos underscore in two thousand twenty again. My name is carlos underscore i two thousand and twenty and you can watch. The interview. Might have to do some scrolling. But it's there. It's a three part interview so excited because it's a great way to close the season would go come on back to the louds. Cash is the best. Why is it the best number one love it or number one was off. Aw her name is reece an artists from philly who has captivated me since two thousand one thousand two with her first release. How i do and we are approaching. We are approaching the twentieth anniversary. Of how i do. It is a celebration. It is a salute and in a dream come true and we must bring the queen. Mambo kind of ood girl interrupted intro law. You are the you're the wholesale baby. You intro altro exit you name it What i wanna do is just turned on the music. Just a little bit. So i can hear a little bit better just because i'm a little bit Queen how are you. I'm doing pretty good. I'm in philly in west philly at my trip and Just you know bam here. I'm ready to talk. You know. I guess. I feel like we should tell everybody how we got to this point and before. I let me just by gusta. Because i promise i wouldn't let me just gush and just throw you on october us privately. But i want to tell you this cosmic league. It's an honor. Because i remember being a nineteen year old boy sitting down at my friend. Gary's apartment watching the vision camman video soul sitting on his carpet and falling in love with the skinny black girl with a flat. Flat flat that i wanted and And the brains and just bought the album. And i'm like is this who is genius after my heart twenty years later here we are. Yes i just wanna say thank you. You have to tell them that we met at shows. Your longtime fan obviously are longtime fans as you've known my music from the beginning but here's somebody that i remember being in like front rows at my concerts. Rock rock is that the name of the venue rock rockwood musical in new york. Thanks for you. Something queen My best friend. Rick and i were talking about this yesterday or the day before hand to god. He was there with me that night and we were just saying bro. I never felt that. Even when i've seen you know acts is stadiums and arenas i feel what i felt that nice that night when i saw recent my refund that was incredible on on stage. You know you just locked into what you're hearing what you're seeing and you could kind of connect a new definitely connect more I think this is. This interview is very special. Because lately i reach out to people on social media and stuff and if you my my respond you know and it's like i just started getting really great questions from where my fans i even went to the hairdresser and this girl for the first time. It was my first time going. The woman started doing my hair. She was listening to salange. I said to her i said. Hey if you ever heard of artists reese right. I messed up. I had a mask on as she starts going off. And she's like going off about this art his recent. I'm like thank you thank you. And then she's like We you know it wasn't just like we were talking about music. Unani we were talking about others like a lot of music music head and she prided her herself in the music that she was playing in her salon de survive. You know and it just. It was material artists that i figured i cannot. I wonder if she listens to my album or like maybe she should like i would love for her to play it in here. You know because a lot of people music word of mouth or in situations like that. And i told i finally told who i was. She leaked out. Like i gotta have so many questions to ask. You know what. I'll be back. I'm gonna come back. I want you to do like arrogance on what to do. I want us to fill you asking me questions because a an and like you to like when when we reached out we reach other or i don't know how we know it happened but happened like this a natural organic thing like how twitter and you know. Dm's responding to people and you know you're asking me really great questions and this happens print pretty often. I feel like the people that listen to. My music are very intelligent. Music lovers they just you know my peers. We're a lot of a lot of us. Are the same age some summer younger. I had a sixteen year old recently. Say she you know he just started out for the first one. I was very happy. But i noticed that fans have the best questions the questions. Then you know. Journalists ask because journalists pretty much the same things all this not all of them not all journalists. But i feel like i wanna know what my fans i want. Ask questions that my fans want to know about me. Like why do i care about with some random person that you know has a job to write articles on the people there told to write about. You know who really read my bio and his asking me questions that are already answered in by rather hear from the people that have music listening to music for years the people that are really sitting at home wondering like real shit no matter to them you know. I just decided that they've been doing this like once a week. Think i'm gonna try to get on instagram and give the real fan. Who is the one here the opportunity to me whatever the hell you wanna ask you food. I did also which i do. Rarely i rarely do this do i. You know i did this with you. I sent you some new music and stuff. And because i really wanted you know. We'll talk a little bit about it. But not a whole bunch but you know i m people music you know and i wanna know i wanna know what real fans like super fans think. Yeah i don and we'll certainly get to out on the shore platinum omega shadow away in half. I don't even know who's on watching. But shut out to everyone salute to all of your fans and and my supporters as well. And we're going to get and you know how i feel about the new music but will i wanna start here thing. I want to start here. You've gone on record in the past you young lady you didn't lake su-nam yet i now. I'm sorry. I know how the disclaimer disclaimer is number one. I have no idea what questions i'm going to be asked. I'm just taking him as a live. So okay sue nami. Not my favorite song. We've talked about this. I mean there's a lot of people favorite song and maybe looking at me. Like i'm crazy but i really didn't. I remember like. I strongly remember going to the studio jersey and santi wrote that song santiago and she was like the into studio and i was like we the song that i plan. That i was practicing in rehearsing. Get ready to sing for some reason. Witten work on the computer. Like not working and sue nami like the next song they relied. Want you just to sit there to sit break there. Mike learn row quake recorded. I was like whoa. I don't want to really answer. I think it was because so many of the other songs were like so so different to me. Like so what of never heard before with sue nami. Those are the same court as a above marley song called called. No woman no cry. Every time i'd have to song. I was just like you blended both songs live before too. I get because that's what makes me like it. But what else may be like it. Was that a lot of people. Love the song and i had said like actually just be like. Why am i sitting here talking about what i don't like like everybody else. So why don't you know and you know. I'm used to my voice. You know like when. I hear my voice to me up my guitar sound and i had to actually just cut to step outside of myself. Say maybe that's another reason to and that's why people acted their knows very personable and i. It sounds compare with you. Maybe you know. But i i i and i was just like side. Two things are at song from me. It's like a beautiful i. It's a beautiful love song but right so you. You're the because we're talking about how i do just to give a more context. Everyone listening but i think it's great because it's pretty much the closing song on. How do you have a you. Have another son sneaks in right afterwards. We'll get to that one too. But i like it. It's kind of like that juxtaposition right. Does you just gave us all these knives and element and then it's just like all right. Sit down and let me just tear at your heart a little bit. That's that's exactly what thank different than all the other. And he's chill very short. It's just about one. One focal and i was just into stacking vocals. And you know doing all this extra stuff feeling like i had to but at the end of the day i want to hear a good voice and voice that they believe in you so i changed over time. Why like that song you know. I love thing it. It's the time in the set where you know for me like when i first started i had a big band. I had like all these blacktop. You know musicians play behind the we've rock in you know what i'm saying like all ten and that's the moment that i was like. Oh i can hear myself saying when when i saw you do you. Are you still with your musician. I didn't mean to cut you off. You had a guitarist. Asian looking maybe amazing. Are you still with that gentleman you know. He's a he's always a friendly but he's He knows himself philly. He plays with a lot other artist but he actually has an amazing band himself but he's only samurai is called. It's called samurai something right but they saw that that music is like cracking like i was so surprised because he can play anything play anything of decides to their own band. That's the most interesting thing that they will ever do. Whatever he can go play this on planning though you know. He knows how to play right producing his own thing. Samurai suzuki samurai like that. I got to look up though. If you're sure on the on something yeah for sure definitely a shutout to die shadow. Listen question for for for anybody. Who is not too too familiar about your music or where you're from i while you're from philly a big shots philidelphia give us a little bit of that. What what was the music scene like for you. They're growing up. You know to be brutally. Honest i love. I was born in philly. But then i when i was like in kindergarten i way to my parents moved. You know. suburbs like about twenty twenty five minutes outside of philadelphia avenue to the city called penn valley. Okay awesome areas and everybody knows lower merion. Because kobe went to high school he went to low marion. High school and lower. Merion was kind of nice. It was nice. It is not like city filthy at all. It's like a jewish neighborhood money. You know what. I'm saying like you hear all it houses. Some shit big money. My parents worked hard was against issue. It up and he like you know he owned corner stores the hustler all porta stores. You know and you know street numbers and stuff like that so you know he made us come up and he's like okay. I'm gonna move my family outside of the city. You know what i mean. I want my kids. Educate right so them for that and So i grew up there but you know i claimed phillies just because everybody else in my family lives there and so that's why i spend a lot of time and that's where i you know. I worked at my father's store north philly Like on twenty three bridge which is now like this. Like china be gentrifying neighborhood but this is good though like neighborhood whether it was gentrified are not as cool you know people literally you know and The funny thing is how about this funniest thing. Is that my boyfriend now. Who's also my partner in music. St if he lives a few he grew up like a few blocks over. Like maybe one or two zero zero. We he would have been going to the corner store. That i worked and my parents and like since he was like a kid. Because like you know you can't go to corner store all the time. Sure you're crazy. 'cause i'm like oh man crazy on you when i was like a kid you know and then like we ended up doing this or whatever but nonetheless that's what was the question. I forgot the music scene in philly. And and no fucking idea was. Because i was in the suburbs and my parents were like Yeah you come down here to work. Who are like you know. I wasn't really. I'll be honest. I wasn't not a kid. I was hanging out like the fourteen fifteen. Sixteen trying to get in clubs. I was not a fast as at all at all. Like i wasn't out like that i Is funny. I'm reading the comments and which you guys will not see later so i haven't even looked at them but i see my friend who was at the show with me. He was handsome. White boy with the douglas. Blue is that would be. That would be nickel bag. He's actually pretty mind blown. The i'm doing this right now with you. He's so proud up to him. Shut up to go back again. Like i really just you know. I was in the suburbs. I was like at home. I was taking tennis lessons. Squash i was playing across of going to school was coming home. I did not like have a license to drive anywhere until i was like tv. I wasn't like fast like this. So i wasn't like out in the clubs but i eventually started going to like the five spot but i never performed there. Even i never liked had any kind of like. I've been perform there anything. I didn't do like the typical philly route. And i'm glad because i didn't want to be in this. I didn't want to just be like stuck in this town. Her felt like i was just a singer like philadelphia singer or something you know like i am but i just wanted to always have my eyes on a bigger prize. Even though phileas like super dope has so many great musicians so many talented. I mean there's a lot of us here. But for whatever reason i think because i i've school which a lot of people know i just felt like don't about the philly music scene far as i do philly music scene. Was you know taking kindergarten. And kenny gamble. And they didn't around the upper. Don't listen to a lot of old. So i be like a lot of motown stuff like that. That was like the philly music scene for me. Yes that is out there in doing it. Would you say there was a particular album that really like said to you. You know here. this is what i wanna do. I think it was. I always listen to music off a certain albums. That just i mean when i was a kid like when i was a kid i had a dream that stevie wonder like lived in this house down the street like and they'll be always drive by this house around this curve for some reason. I got obsessed with this house. I you know in you know. Dreams are when you're listening to see music or something like injury about cv left us. And i wonder if this house every day. Drive by steve hundred lives there. 'cause can dream so i would say he stevie wonder was demand for risk was july through spare not with in and out back and forth up and down recall credits. The lyrics feel like stevie wonder like helped me learn how to listen and read lyrics and try to learn s. It like that was the record like that was a real record right really and if you're going to be inspired by anyone not better than stevie wonder right kid yes yeah it's like i didn't know any better i just like. Oh there's nothing jammed my album and dancing here with my mom and stuff like that and we will listen to jennifer holliday. You know but now i just knew what a felt even when i played music for my nephews. It's the same thing like they don't know what they listen to right. You gravitate to what you gravitate. Absolutely i want to get into because we are approaching. Twenty years of the of the release of how i do queen twenty years first of all. Congratulations right because you created a classic right so that album. How as you. And i think many of your fans in anybody's watching you can drop that apple today and that album still sounds current and relevant and even just lyrically. What you're talking about. It's so relatable. So that i think that album. I can't even take credit for the whole thing like it was definitely a group effort like that album eight was and i think a lot of the best albums whether we want to admit to it or not as artists they were they were group. You know group Group projects pretty much. You know. S like we had a purse. It was almost like some old motel shit like we had a manager who was managing managing me but also managing the the the The flow and how he proceeded with the project we that manager. He made sure that we have the right. Anr is friend named name. Ali was actually in the marketing department at the label. And we were like. Oh no we need beat an our to our this project that we fuck with so we got him to move from marketing department to an art department. He came are but this other guy who who's on the record just read he against an are two but honestly it was like back in them days in a music industry where people could say. They didn't do anything. Or maybe i just. He did behind the scenes stuff or something. Like i never really saw jeff read but he has his name on the album like he an arctic. So kudos him but maybe he did like the behind the scenes work but the guy who was there every day. You know we had santi. She was writing the songs she was like. I'm songwriting. She helped me out a whole lot with album. She helped me out maria beginning so out to her. And then we had. Doc mckinney who did the production Santia and i heard his album with estero Early early on in like ninety eight or something. He came out. And i heard the that we heard in. We knew we want this guy to produce it so we reached out to him and You know and that was the team you know and the people that he brought. He brought dining kobe. James that that helped right Ice king or actually no koby. James actually wrote a song called asking and then because i was a female. I've i was like. Oh i need to change. Like i need to change his lyrics and so together we changed the lyrics it and made it for woman and misguiding fingers the keys. And you know. And there's got balik worthy and i'll be honest. A lot of people did a lot of work on that on that album. Dig it credit and yeah. It's not okay. But i just get surprising but i wanted to mention those people's names because i don't think they got their credit. You know like a kobe james. And and and Melik worthy and you know all the other guys that were in toronto that we're helping the producer you know. Make this great music. You know santi did a lot of stuff on the productive. You know In you know it was an interesting you know peaches and cream on edge on you know but we will. We all came together and we all loved something we knew was right you know. And that's we go onto the next songs. They'll get on his finished. Everybody liked when the management liked it. When i liked it when santi liked it when doc liked it s when it was like okay we cool right right right that those were those four people ahead to like love it. You know you mentioned the stereo and one of my one of my best friends like my brother gary. Why mentioned where i discovered your music shutouts gary. Hopefully he's on used to listen to them. And i'm sure he's he's on. He's probably going crazy right now because all of these artists that you're mentioning from philly. He's very familiar with. I wanted to ask you so you mentioned ice. king rain. brilliant song I think we all have an ice king in our lives. Don't we now's the remix. What was that like. Did you get to be in the same studio or was it you record here and then i send it back in the night record here because you know nauseous like i mean let me tell you. This story is very totally unexpected. But as how music industry is so. I hope album. You know alba's done slavery was like all right we're doing a remix remixes And you know remix explained to me at the time i'm new. I was new like new like me. I didn't even know anybody in the music. Industry accepts auntie then the music industry until her dad told me you know what i mean so i was like All right well We remix us and they said yeah reaching remix is we do remix it so you can. We can get the song in other markets. Nino is pushing another market. So who do you want to do. A remix i had my list. Those face One of those you know. He had commercial success too. And like you know enough. All right reduces that he looked around and it's like oh we track masters to do even the though we gave them the all all the music that they needed all the session. It's called the session with all the song you know the whole song. All the different parts separated so they can decide if they wanna use the or are sound of something new so they you know they don't make a remix a made the remix all these vocals and stuff like that and i. I wasn't feeling it. At the time i was like I was like wait. Why you use those vocals. The singer vocals that we didn't even keep in. They're like why do you even have those you know. And then he heard the rahm. He's time when i heard he talked about some cook. Something can't they. And i'm like what are you so at the first couple times hearing it. It wasn't like a obvious. Oh my god. I love this. You know though the nra said so can he do it again and they were like what. And i can can end. Like i don't know if i'm feeling that they were like no. It's like you pay down like five. Jeez whatever like no and so. I was like okay so then i was living in la and decided to arrest like this leg. Fast food restaurant called the baja fresh liked a little upscale a little a slightly upskill taco bell so like all right i'm normally dressed regular shit and all of a sudden i seen us and his entourage coming by how fresh and i'm like this is my chance and i'm not even looking like superstar up. I'm looking like myself. You know what. I'm saying like myself. So i'm like i got. This is your chance you should just telling you know like you gotta tell them like so before i leave and i'm helping myself up and i'm five myself only have nobody typing me up like a grease so i'm like so i just like like myself over to his table all these dude sitting there because it's not like you know and i'm like here my stomach like my recommend high I you did a remix for signed to like you know mc record. And he's like. Oh my and i'm like Get heard the Remix is there any way you like. Rewrite the verse. He's like calculus fabulous. How ballsy of you you got. Hey if people talk to my people you know people talk to you. And so i leave and i had my people talk to people and there's people's like not doing shit again like the money you good he got you know what i'm saying. You got one. You got your verse like no so. He didn't do it however he did. Come to my showcase. The first showcase that i had and You know he was like right there watching like you know. Let me see she about it any no. I decided to take on a chance because You know like my labor wasn't going to shell out another seventy five. G's for him for another record. Those but yeah i'm just gonna like ask them. Why do you remember the first time you saw. They save vision. because there's video cuts a golden boys. If memory serves me correct. Some zinc zingers stewart. She's a the new engine. She's done a whole bunch of stuff after that. So do you remember the first time you saw your videos play on tv. And what that talk through what that experience was like. honestly i i don't remember remember the first masala because when you do a video like you watch it so much while it's being edited so it's almost like i don't know i didn't have like that moment and i also omen because i was working. You know like a lot of people. Think i don't know what people think whatever when like. You're a singer and stuff in europe promoting music. But you're not you're not really around for the accolades are like the the opinion or like the the feedback like you don't really give feedback from the people who are actually watching it. Because you're like in the next city at bear like mushrooms popping. Like i heard that like brooklyn was popping with like brooklyn loved it. Atlanta loved it. But i wasn't in atlanta. At the time. I was in brooklyn at the time. I was like going from city to city working in like random cities and stuff. So you never really you know you never really get that like that full lake vibe of what what it really feels like for your music to be like in the scene or in like the you know like the thing of the time. Because you're you're it's very sad spaces in you. Don't get a chance to live in the moment. He don't he don't by the time you realized it was hot and everything is like is like a year later. And you're walking on the street and everybody's like oh my god you are you like. Yeah but why do they have. Oh my god. I wanted. I wanted to ask you. What was touring around that time and promotion for that album. Because you know you're you had a number one dance on the hot one hundred dance tracks would they say vision that remix. I have a story for you. I remember being nineteen year old still in the closet and go into the clubs and listening and hearing the the dance remixes and getting my life getting my life. And i remember my ex boyfriend at the time. It was like wh. Why do you always listen to this. This reese reese. What's up with this. And i remember one time. You came to iran on the bill to come to six flags. Remember this with manda peres. Remember that show because thanks to him. I was doing with vanessa carlton and it was funny because i talked to her like backstage. And she was bitching dump bitching in a bad way but like just like talking about john mayer and how he stole like her favorite pair of jeans or something and she was just like. What else did you steal their john. Mayer john maher yup briefly and she was just thinking he was mad. Like i was just like me mad too. I remember seeing amanda perez coming off a ride. And i'm like where's reese gotta be here and that's okay. I didn't get to see you live that day. But i'm surely making up for it now so if my ex partners watching So being were let's move out. I forgot my previous question. Was i'm sorry whole touring and just being on stage around that time and talk about that and just the feeling of it around that time because it's all right so fresh and so new. So do you remember like a lot of the places you went to and and traveled to remember the places. I remember it. Like i mean it was a defining moment in my life. You know being like having this opportunity to sing and travel and do all this stuff and it was off for the first time so like i really remember it like i remember where i was that cds i remember not remembering the sittings i gone on stage in just doing this right The defining moment in my life so the ever forget you know what i mean and it was first of all the very first show that i ever did was at this place called think it was in santa monica and it was and they. They changed the name of it. I think it's called coda end later. The less name was called dacoota in a or it was called that and i remember like going shopping for went to like you know. They'll fun Outfit and i got on stage and it was just like i was so nervous because that was the first show that i never sang more than two ons back to back. And i had to do this showcase in la and you know at first like those first few shows like when i mean like the first like six months eight months of shows i always be so nervous that i couldn't eat that day and a like number two like whatever i was like. Yo you had that body eligible splat right. Click and my nerves. Were so bad. I kept the bubble guts. Not the bubble guts. It was so crazy. Hate to say it is so embarrassing but like that is the real. So i had like the six pack five in line with with ease. Okay 'cause i was just like not eating and on days of shows through them. Oh you know what else was really really hard for me was talking to the crowd in between songs i was like. I don't know what to say. I don't know what to say. So i would really try to plan out the they were telling me like you have to plan out what you're gonna say then like think about it before each song. No when you're gonna you know. And those are the beginnings of when you're performing for the first time and i think a lot of us go through it you know. No one is natural naturally like hey funny and normal and stuff on stage because that is not a normal place to be raised right. It's never a microphone talking louder than everybody else. It's none of it. Yeah so when we act when we're on stage where like low in like it's normal. That's because it's it's practices. It's it's experience its effort. It's time it's near ten thousand hours you know it's though i that's what i remember how how nervous i used to be and yeah and and i can eat and how your body's crazy am. I have no idea but it was fun though. I'll take a bag. And i even had the really tough time was when i had to open up for maxwell as nutty mexico was great. It was the fact that i they had me replacing a bad knee doing all the dates. That alicia keys could not do a alicia keys as the twentieth anniversary of her first album. Alicia keys by the way. Today's her fortieth birthday happy birthday. Ingram and eight is basically the. It's the same day her. And i have the same anniversary offers alba hers something in the keys in a minor minor donkey. Yeah and so are ours. Came out on the same day and so She on tourists. Where if she didn't do the tour and open up. Then i would be the person opening up me and you're opening up and you know. At least she has like super duper like clive davis behind her and like all the marketing people were expecting to see. At least you keys on every maxwell show and so when people realize that you know at least keys wasn't fair. I had to really perform my job because people will be like really like what the hell is this man. I was like typical. Rv which is why you know she does leg and you know it was just like my thing was totally different. I was also black rock shit right that out. The flynn brought in to watching right now. Because you know and we did a lot of rehearsals you know. Then we came out there like reading the go but we on some like. Oh guitars will be in your face. oh yeah. My drummer is fish from. Fishbone o. Yan line you know we got Brew anthony brewster brew. Deasy on keys in. He's from the untouchables like these classic groups. You know what. I mean from academia. So let's just you know. It was always a challenge. It was always prove somebody like yo. We're we're supposed to be here or you're you're going to get even better said than you would with lisa It was always that so. I don't ever i don't have a problem. Performed for a thousand thousands of people. That don't know who. I don't know where i came from because i i i got that practice in the beginning where now i can perform fun. Everybo- anybody and everybody in you ain't got no nothing. I'm i'm gonna make you right. You mentioned a couple of things that i want to touch on black rock because you have an obligation black girls rock released. I believe two thousand and all nine ten. Wait a minute looking at me. Look at my notes. Hold on two thousand nine. It's all in made it in one year and then you know the label. They didn't want to really release it and then he got bootleg crazy to me. Because i'm sorry you did that thing. You did your thing on that album. I really did. I don't mean to cut you off but just like even like What's his name of the song on my way. I like the sun. that's you know. This girl made jill. Jill see joe i forget her last name but jill huge from this group called luscious jackson from the night. Yes you they. Hook me up with her to write songs. We know that was a good and she did a good job and it's funny because she was like yo. When i heard your music. I thought though she definitely salacious jackson and i'm thinking in my head i didn't even know even know what just wasn't until i got here. Lady let that met you allen even know but when i did listen unless jackson i was like white chicks. Oh yes oh. Yes i was like. Okay yeah. I have to give you props on that because a lot of people don't know about that particular album and maybe they do and just another thought through before i forget we talked about nine and you mentioned some of the great musicians that you've worked with but there's one musician if i'm not mistaken that you really have an affinity for and that is while watson for who you are now i know the story from previous interviews but please explain to the world. Well while watson is an amazing guitarist you know this dude has over. One hundred and fifteen fifty motown hits. He has played the while on other baby. Marvin gaye song named herbs records. He was on. I'll take you there by mavis staples. He was on like he was up at hunters with herbie handcuffed. He i could go on and on and on and on about this vans and hit you know. He's an amazing player of great producer. Agla singer people know that but he he can sing you know. He passed away like a year or two ago and And october and garissa soul but he definitely was a major impact on me. I met him on the maxwell tour and he was the nicest person there to us. He was the nicest person there to the opening. Act which is rare okay. He came and asked us if we needed anything. And even though that doesn't sound like oh the nice muffing around. Let me tell you when you on tour with like a huge star like maxwell nobody cares about you air. Maybe like whatever you're you're lucky to be here beyond stage like get on stage don't be late. Whatever and he was the opposite he was like you ladies need anything his. He knew how what's been around as he was like. I'm personally come over here. Make sure y'all good and he did and from relation from that tour You know we. We didn't hang out a lottery. Anything like that during the tour. But he made his presence known The type of person that he was and he was very helpful. Tour m He i he gave me his information eve. All of us is information. I reached out a few months later and he was like come over like come over like you know musician. Komo come through came through. His wife was there. He had two dogs He was making wild easy wings in long island iced teas and he was just playing music. And this man has music for days and He became like a big brother to me. You know my father was alive. He came to california to visit. You know while took us out. The breakfast was just like go. You know i'm taking care taking care of this girl. You know man looking out for her and you know we've always remained friends and we ended up working together and it was the best experience of my career working in that studio session with him. And i'll never forget it. You record it that at sunset studio away you know. I asked while already. We're a record. And he was like oh sunset studios since that room. That's what his caused encourage e wanted to go there. Because that's where he did all this marvin gaye marvin gaye. I saw. You do say that years ago while what did that. Feel like the energy in that room reese did you was it. It was the energy like really. The energy is being with the people that worked with. Marvin like it wasn't like it was marvin. Studio wasn't like electric lady. We recorded at elektra lady. That was like that was jamie's home. You know what. I'm saying like the cat and she was still you know his cat and is but but more than anything. It was like working with while lots in working with ray parker junior working with you know James get sending jayme gilstrap from wonder love. You know that's that's what that's that was the special moment you know. That was the vibe. It's like damn. I worked all the same people that all the people. I grew up with work that i worked with. I grew up listening to the temptations. Thirty washington was in up in a room playing bass for them in for me. You know and you know a lot. Y jim gilstrap. I listen to jim gilstrap. He's the guy that sings the first verse of Ua the sunshine of E becomes in there. On the second verse with that. I i you like. Who is that. Jim gilstrap he sang backgrounds or cb wandering. He sang backgrounds for me. Became friends so it was like those are the moments that that's what that's what it was about is the fact that i worked at these people and and i got their best like they made for who you are like. In what a demo. I came with the demo. But you best believe. That didn't sound like that. I wrote the song to to my little guitar. chords out. Learning at the time had like three guitar chords right assault. And and then. I asked my friend bush. Babies dj Dot dj hill but the bush babies. Khalil i asked him at khalil. Can you put some like drums on here. Put them eric being rockingham drums on it. And i still have that young and i gave that so why wa and i was like before i gave it to him. I said wow. I've got a song is perfect for. You is perfect for you. Because like at that point we were cool. And i don't know i just like call him up and ask them and i was like i got a song with you. The only person can do it though and he said you. Don't even know reese but that was those. Were the magic words houses. Like like i only want to do it and he he did on i. Aren't you to know we're gonna learn from each other ambler from you learn from me but i'm gonna learn from you because you brought me this song like you know it was like you know you we gonna do this together. We co producing together as you brought me to song them. You know we did. He sat there one night in his studio and he was just like all right. I'm gonna like dude foundation of the song and he put like twenty five different layers of guitars on the song but with nothing else except the drums from rhythm king which is little box that like gives you sound like giving trump sound and he just played guitars over and over and i literally late late on the couch lane on a young like this. Will i head up as our grade. You the vocal and mind you think. I was not a night person. But i had to become one so i was just like all right. That's why i was laying on the couch. And he went to. He's like no no no no stay right there. It was like laid up right there. And he brought a mike. Stand over ahead motherfucker hanging over my head that we do it just like marvin as i just stay right there and if not a couple years later i know what he meant like dua like marvin let and armin. Gabe i if i do not see a few years later. They got this video. I want everybody on here to watch it. Barbed gaye laying on the couch recording vocals with the mike stand hanging over his head lying. That's how i did that. I that i that i did with what lied to united states. I was like yeah. I'll let shit. I was like. Oh my god oh my god. That was such epic moments. And i just had no idea it was like you know so to work with somebody who listen to growing up. I listen to every single. One hundred fifty motown hits that Was on and to later in years later. To be like yeah. I work with students. Do things i'm don't like he tells his friends. Like i'm good on on like damn darts. How i feel right now talking with you queen because that same feeling see. That's that right. There is what. I'm feeling inside and happy. I'm trying to be professional. Become an jumped out of the seat. I see a lot of comments talking about who you are so you have a lot of love for that song. I also noticed a comment. That mentioned boston is waiting little. I'm actually in the western mass area. 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And she was like most steph the time or whatever and gets you mad at him and she wrote about eroded about him because it was like you know how you going to be keeping it real within be like at that time be like. I'm not getting on the plane his first class and this is big down but downward levels that this was a legacy already star. We you know he was already like a chow. All star and stuff. I guess he was still rocking. Pnb sweatsuits enough. Sam q tip. You mentioned q tip. Wait go back any more information. I didn't write the song fell. She did she did i. Okay okay ju. Just not my favorite artists of all time to charlotte. He's a great. Dj to we yeah. He was good friends with them. And that's why she wrote it about in that got. She thought you know just weren't being honest. About who like you know they would portray one one image that they were keeping it real down to earth but really the ended today. Davis cousy has hollywood. Do you know. I think age. I think the most important thing is that you know I guess people people in like you know will. I have a definite. I have a different outlook now on golden boys. Especially permi- break-up. We'll talk about that another day so for me now. Golden boy is a fuck boy me then way. Patriots took who is now versus. Who was musically or just in general twenty years ago. Now that we're on the twentieth anniversary of upon the twentieth anniversary. Of how. I do okay. Let me tell you before i answer. That question at is why we're doing this because that's a great question number one great question Okay when i first started by career. I thought it was going to be a look cool because it was a great job like sorry to be so basic but i always saying i'm thinking that was eight years old. Had nobody in the music industry in my family You know. I was just like seeing. Because i like to do it. I was kid that likes to do a whole bunch of shit off. Can't i saxophone for a little bit. I was swimming. I was playing softball basketball. Boo- like i. I was doing regular stuff. I had to go to work at my dad's number house every day. I didn't have school except sundays. And you know. I i was like oh this ought to be a dope jab. I was in college. And i was like. Oh i don't know what i'm gonna do for the summer so So i i. I know i want to and i wanted to get an internship for the next year in college and for like my second year was a finance major Gives a finance major and 'cause my parents want me to go to school for business. You know like they were entrepreneurs like why. What else is there to feed but entrepreneur. Like i didn't really you know if you're going to business so I called my dad's friend up asks them for to help me find the internship. Use a lawyer happened to be signs. He's dead very prominent prominent and he was like. Oh yeah that's got you on. I got somebody. You know the yacht with a internship. Money management company. You good And he hit at like hooked up so good that. When i went to the interview they were like okay. So how much do you wanna make on an internship. I like day. He hooked it up so basically office us again. I got you but he really wanted to talk about like his daughter was doing. He's like sandy new york city. She she we're gonna record label. You need to call her you sing. Don't you calling up. And i was just like okay. Like she in new york coming out started. But i did not. I thought it was going to be a cool job. Like i was like all right. That'd be Working at starbucks but nothing wrong with organised starbucks but just saying like starbucks. I liked it but that was working on my dad's doing short then. But so i got into and i didn't. I was green. I didn't know what to expect. I didn't know what i deserved. I didn't know where i didn't deserve. I didn't know. I didn't give hugs to people so i was just like you know i was all some regulated philly girl shit like you know i had my hair and a perm and i was fine with it and i didn't really travel much. I was going to new york to see some music. For the first time. I would take the greyhound bus up like out. She was like we issue. A record deal and i was like okay. What do or be what i had to do. And i got a record deal and you know. That was the first time. I started working out and carrying about my body. I wasn't overweight. Or a thing. Or out of shape. Because i i said i was athlete so that was fine and i for the most part i would tell you know i got a manager santiam manager and just told showed cultural so let me know what i gotta do reese now i was very quiet very quiet. Just like looking around like you know But the reason now is very experienced very experienced in a good way I feel like. I've performed all types of situations stages Because i didn't know what to expect. I never knew what i needed necessarily at the time. If he's successful. Or at least. I know i need be successful when i'm performing I know what makes me comfortable. I you know. I write songs now. When before i didn't i was actually too afraid to like inhibited. Evident now You grew up. You know. I have a voice i use it. I probably talked too much now. I'm very outspoken. very honest i'm very straightforward beasts. Now you know but who. East mama fishy. She'll be you know what i love it. I love it where okay so twenty years right. We keep i keep mentioning this. don't forget. but the gra. Oh wait a minute timeout. Because gary would be so mad. If i didn't ask this gary hope you're watching santi trouble andrew doc. Would you ever work with them again. Or what's going on there. In that whole they're they're they're say they're related. They aren't that related but they are not really related. But they're a couple like they're together and get upul troubles like He's like a former scape a snowboarder and like like santi got him into i think making music. And now he's thinking heart is in or of He's always always was a painter or visual artists or something because he actually designed a lot to do she stuff like the gucci goes. Think this thing. So he's lying gucci guy. But aren't you guy great but You know they're together. They're like a couple of kids. Every twins just under center twins so I would love to work with auntie again. But i don't think that's going to happen and it's definitely not because of me I think just people like you know you move on like i think you know back. We made how i do. It wasn't like it wasn't it was it was the best of times and it was the worst of times the tears keen so i don't think everybody left on like a good note. You know some people. I bonded back together and like started working again. And and then some of us didn't you know and but she ended up. You know when we left we were finished. How i we finished when we were two weeks before finishing how do to be brutally honest we had to kick out the studio we acre. Oh you got to go. And then i went to toronto to finish the dot by five myself because it just got out of control like pro at that point. And we've i couldn't get shit done but you know but she also we couldn't be done without her. You know what i'm saying is like that. I'm just being honest about real and just was we did it with you. Know she up. Very i do and in my career and very beginning so the outer however we couldn't get it finished with her either so it it was weird but then it's people eared. It's just real. I think the more she started work on my project and putting her everything into it she realized. I wanna do it to you. Know painting man. Yeah likes you know. I think it's one of them things like she just realized she wanted to do it too and wanted to have wanted to get all the benefits from clinton this much work in. She could allow work at it. And but in that. You know what i'm saying. You know like split blood sweat and tears however you said you know we all did. All of this is and you know. End up being coming to artists in a great one at that writing for all different types artists to and you know she got her own thing. and doc I actually did work with them again. However twice over. I do a lot of songs for black girls rock with him and then afterwards we did another album he you know there's five million sides to the story. I only know my side. My side of the story was he said. Yeah you know our friend. Our friend What's his name Fingers piano player. Who did a lot of stuff on how i do. he Passed away at a memorial service for him. And doc asked me to come and perform because some of these songs or like some less songs. He's done you know and they were great songs. So we did. We did the performance Ridiculously well We raise money for his children And doc was on stage with me so playing the music that he wrote. It was the first time we perform together and he was like. Wow this should felt great us on a great eat. He sounded great and he was just like less. Thus make another album went to toronto on my own dime back and forth back and forth Made that album And he was supposed to drop it off to mix engineer to mix it and he didn't and hit me with paypal of vitamin and twenty thousand dollars. A song at like and i'll be honest. Maybe this is the reason why he will never like needle for the reason why he felt like every time so on put some up he gets taken down. He told him when he asked me. For twenty grand per song by when his lawyer sent me that email. I call them up outside motherfucker. You are not recruited. i guess mad becau- arab in love with proving. That was like his biggest. Like do ruben. Like twenty thousand dollars. A song like said you wanted to do this with me at blew up there my own dime and guess what all i had was done because my brother tom airport so i can fly thirty so was like i was really spending dying it there. So what what do you think would have twenty thousand dollars each free saw for you. S i two hundred thousand dollars and he wanted me to sign something saying i would agree to that. I was like i had no manager time. Ill don't like no booking agent. No nothing and i'm just beside a piece of paper to say i'm giving you twenty thousand dollars per track for demos. That ain't even fucking finished. I was like man who had. Not ruben stop plan. But i think maybe that that hurt his feelings and he just was like whatever you know he doesn't need to. I guess maybe he is the new recruit because he you know he. He did like a big artists. You know. But i'm gonna be honest like when i heard the story about how he got the inspiration in and the What is it the style wise on the songs to do the weekend stuff from other artists and he worked with. So it's like come on. Do you know so he was going to be the first preset but yeah you know it is the music business and things happen. I'm not the first one that something like that has happened to and twelve and thirteen two thousand fourteen two thousand six. This is even earlier than the early early early. Okay i've been working on me. Like i was always working on music with people who weren't necessarily try to release it unless they got a certain amount of money that was like you know in the world of music industry ran like producers. Were getting like like ferrall was getting like two hundred fifty thousand track. You know what i'm saying. But for had hits by hitlerites and doc has hits hits now so now ask for twenty thousand dollars to track is different but not not nothing. Yeah absolutely. Wow that's crazy. You were mentioning Reset and what have you but something. I've been really wanting to talk about. is refried. Mac oh yes that's great. That's a great ep. I love that ep. I actually really liked it either sometime. You don't always love it. But i actually liked that like i love that. I remember hearing proud of that work. Which i say. You should be very proud of how how of you putting what you did. You took these iconic pieces. But you totally painted reese all over like if those songs weren't fleetwood mac's those would be your sohn's it just sounds like at least i get that feeling like it's so you you did that. You did that you know i had to help. I'll producing like that. So i have to be no. I can't even just again take the credit all on my own but thank you but you know. I guess behind every day singer. There's usually a great producer you know and for refried mac. That great producer. Was tom spiker. Okay i'm spreaker white boys from philly philly in the house you know. He's a great great guitarist. Great producer obviously and. You know he put his foot in it like you know pots and pans in it. You know we did it at his studio. Which was in. His house is great house But i've only seen the studio so that's relevant and we. He had a studio that had a garage attached to it in the bag on the basement level. So when you went up you go in the front door and you're in the studio at the back there you're into the garage and then garage like everybody does have frigerator right. John stopped beers. And at the time i was a beer drinker was before i found out. I was gluten intolerant. So drinker so i literally would go to His studio on fourth in fairmount. I would go for. Like i was never there over three hours each session. He would be like. Yeah yeah. I think i got something like over another all right. I can come over like an hour. Is okay cool. So come over. And he'd be like yeah. Well you'll grow beer beer in back. Do grab beer. Give me one. Or whatever. And then i'll go grab a beer have beer and i would pull up my laptop and i would online shop. I'm if i'm like. I don't know what is going to rain for a while. I was doing vocals for refried mac. I had the vocals up on my desktop. And then right to right behind it. I had like whatever i was like internet. Shopping olding shopping. I swear to god. I was like maybe that's like i don't know something. What did you shop for it by the way. I'm just shopping for clothes like looking at to relevant. It's all relevant. It's hey speaking of close queen. What's your style like now. Let's talk a little bit about fashion really quickly. I mean it. Just cut you off. The whole refried mac thing but what what. How do you describe your style. Now i'll be honest. I don't i. After after i was signed a couple of years later. Like when the glitz and the glam of my life kinda like changed. I feel like i haven't been able to really wear what i wanna wear because i honestly us i. It's like i think rich. But i'm not actually rich so it's like i'll see like the things that i want to wear things that i wear. It's like night and day. So i don't think my style is right now. Like right right now. I'm actually trying to get rid of like a lot of things in my closet known. Coffee pot d. e. p. at i just have been posting closed from my father like on their end because i just don't want him from like so long ago that's like not even now. It's like certain pieces. I will keep. Because i honestly my size hasn't really changed like that much so a lot of stuff i can wear. I have closed from like for over ten years ago. You know that. I could still wear so certain things i love like i have henry dorte genes that i got hanmi and those are like amazing to me but i'll keep those leather pants that that i want to wear that i'm like oh i'll never get rid of them but for the most part i'm trying to get rid of most of my second extra start over you know. I want to clean my closet. I recently moved and you know live with my boyfriend. And i realized that like we have a walk posit. And it's that'll be great. If i if i had walked causing but if i don't know if you had to like i don't have enough room for it and i am just one person shit so go on my depop age at that. I'm trying to rid us. Desta and i economically low. Because i just wanna get rid of it and i just want you to also quickly to Where can we all get the music now. 'cause i know you have a link on your website on your instagram. That brings you to another website. So would that would you say that's the primary source. Are i think right now. It's like pretty much. Listen to my music on itunes the same stuff that's on Spotify like stuff. That's out there. That's old but like the newer stoves. I'll be on my computer. That i that are demos that for whatever reason they just wanna never be never went to the next level super a. m putting together and make state of those songs because they're not serving me any purpose and i think you guys would like them to be honest and i'm gonna just like i don't know do some kind of way. I'm not going to sell them. But i'm just gonna like i dunno sell like make a poster autograph a poster and then you can get the music free or like if you buy a t shirt or something and i'll give you the music free or if you buy lake and like the mix tape you know. They have to make it now. So i Speaking of music. And you said you had a volt of demos or what have you. Let's get right into it. New music for reese. What's re- sounding like in two thousand and twenty one you wanna talk about it Yeah i think you know i have. I have many albums that just haven't come out The the one. That's gonna come out is i'm i'm just going to go back to the name of reset because it's so real and is so what it is and so who i am And but the music has changed so like reset now is like well you know what reset is because i sent to our lows and you know i don't know i think. Hey china describe my music Oh we're gonna talk about that and you go out onto a definitely need to address that We should do that like soon. No mason i want to. I want the music that's going to actually come We're mixing it now with the dow Davis a great producer. Mix engineer philly. Steve mckee at black redone the drums on it and got it. Just the sound like you know. Roads two thousand and twenty and You know i'm just about to just The music is is very telling myself you know like i'm just these songs that are coming out. Are songs that were written with the guiding. Jj and jonathan jennings god bless jonathan jennings and you know. He really really helped me Just write about what. I was going through at the time. Because i never really liked to do that. I don't really like felt like. It's like ooh. I don't know telling people too much about what's going on. They're going to judge me or the or you know you gotta understand when you're writing about yourself and is a song and somebody doesn't like it and it's like your life that all feel good it solids down bad l. like what a role and actually eight away from writing songs for that reason. Because i didn't really want people who really know about me. You know what i was going to do but this music coming out that you heard is the first songs that i actually wrote about that. Have to do with what. I was going through at the time like. There's a song on heaven and best song heaven. it's literally and i'm not like my imagination is not that great so my my songs literal literally the ones that are about me in literal. And like i'm saying you know knocking the doors of heaven. Let me in. Let me in. Because i felt like. Yeah i'm in the music industry. You know. I'm good. Like i look still like everybody knows up. But when y'all gonna let me in let me let me get this like when you really gonna give you that opportunity like you know i will be at the door but all this stuff in that i got to the door and then it's like they won't let me in to that next level you know what i'm saying belong there but i had all these all these challenges along the way of of really working with the wrong people. I mean they may be creatively. The right people but you the one thing. I've got to tell artists that i want to artists. You need to work with people who want to actually not just make music but people who actually want to release music and out there by any means necessary. Not people say. I'll give out put it out or i'll give you the final. You know the final okay approval of the you know the final session in the final product. When when i get twenty thousand dollars attract or when I don't know like when you get your management right or when you know this is like no we do songs. Let's be like the sell should have to. Do you know like people that do you can do music with fans they'll never put the music out because you're out the right management and you lied. Goddamn maybe i'll get the right management motherfucker song come out. Maybe and it's like that part everybody l. with the With the indie gogo. Oh yes as an indie gogo. Big big big. Big shoutout to dvd pits. Vena pits is like was my right hand woman who i mean. I wish we could still work together today. Because she's the truth you know. She's really great at what she does and she goes overboard with it and also shut out to dr post a lot because he is on here now this chat and he also helped a lot with getting the word out on the on the Indigo and other things. That that i do and you know to be honest. We raised money raised. Thirty eight thousand dollars to beat up. Put down a amazing campaign super organized super there and pretty much. That's with that and you know with people you know wanting to support my music. She really you know came up with a campaign that was like ridiculous and it got us thirty thousand dollars prior to me doing the indigo campaign. I was signed to tell it. And i was signed voting media and i thought that was gonna be a good situation and we didn't have. We weren't on the same page after a while and the the relationship ended with us the work relationship and I was without legal. And i was like you know. I need to put music out. Actually when i was still working with them. We don't have enough money to like he a lot me enough money to really promote it you know and i so he was trying to get us at one we do indigo though to make some more money. He was the only do that like that. That looks bad. That will make you look bad being signed and asking people for money like begging people for money. I was just like kinda fucked up. Because i'm starting to you but you you don't. You're not allowed me the money to promote it things. What may because he had other artists to promote or himself. I don't know so thing is that ended. I ended up being independent. And i said you know what i wanna do that. Indie gogo because i wanna raise money for my own use ago. The bomb plan super organized. If went without a hitch. Got the money. Good right before the indy go was going to rab to live. Give me a letter saying that he was going to Go to indigo and tell them that was his money that he was going to get them to take the money. Give give him the money and maybe he tried and they were like crazy and it was just like you can't take someone's fund raising money but you just can't do it so then he was like well. I'm going to sue you. And he ended up suing a for not turning album with that was that he only for not turning in an album but the album was a part of a contract that we both terminated bean. Our you suing me for not turning in an album but the contract is terminated. It was just one of those. I think offensive moves. You know to be like okay. You shouldn't did indigo though. And if you are doing it into google and getting money you need to give me some it now. This man kind of acts like he did like did he just gave me things like when he really didn't like. I put the dress on the makeup one off the hair on stage. When i've been on tours. You know i did that work. But i mean i wasn't like sitting at home watching. Tv with kicked up just catching waiting for stuff to happen. Right right the word that you were like paying for like and you didn't even pay for a lot of the the work i did it for for promotion for myself you know. Sometimes you get you promote your you. D promotion. Sometimes you need money need both. You know so. That was just like a weird situation. So i did. Andy gogo and then i got to get sued and then the threat came real actually got a a cerebral paperwork right before i went onstage for show in la the shade of it all. I speak honestly to get that kind of paperwork. They going on the comments by the way. Almost i actually felt like damn offbeat must be a big deal. He's gonna really come to my pestle and come to my show to serve with. Paper works in the greek paperwork in the green room. I was like well. Should i must be. I took it as i mean not. It wasn't a compliment. But i kind of took it like. Oh i guess. I should yes right the show like right before i while. What are the mind. Fuck right right before you go onstage. Honestly i live right on stage performs. Okay good this what. I do like i- paperwork and no paperwork like whatever you know and He sued me and he sued me for sixty thousand dollars and it was like yo you turn in a album that you know you were contract to do even though the contract was was terminated. I have termination paperwork. Hence why we probably never went past there or got to go into depositions. Because you're supposed to go to deposition and then discovery and then you you show all your like proof of why you know but we never went so you know i'm just sitting like kind of in limbo number and but you know things happen for a reason i all i can say is that i'm glad i got away from him when i did. Because imagine if that didn't happen. And i still assigned to him or if i if things didn't you know we didn't have a falling out and you know i would i will be associated with instill very closely associated associated with And like we all know. He's like not the nicest guy right. Now you know and you everybody changes like i said. Sure and i'm not mad is unfortunately industry. That's like sometimes what it does if people and you know learn you live and you learn and i'm still great and i'm still who i am and i am i he wasn't he wasn't he wasn't my career he didn't make me. He can't break me like you know. I'm most excited. I was ear cam. I met him when i was already signed to a major label the alike. I you know what i mean. I ain't make me so he can't break me. How did idol worship idol worship doesn't. How did that so that was after you got signed. Oh well that was. I think that was like after. I know that was no. That was before i signed with him before us. Okay okay okay. That whole erin like okay do i wash. And then i'm gonna put out stuff. And then he can you know. Put out a little stuff and then we'll put album together again. You know but that group was fun for what it was. I you know. The music was grade nerve cool. And you know. I got my chops for performing like you know with talib so it didn't have some benefits because he toured a lot and i was able to tour with him but it was the kind of like now i look back on it because of how he is now but You know i wish lucky enough. What i'm saying. I hope he's happy. That's really would you know. We were friends Platonic friends you know Again 'cause i can. He's pretty her. I don't know why yet. But because when people try to ruin your career and try to like sue you so thinking that you don't have money so like you can't hold your own and he tried to sue and sue and sue and sue you. You know he definitely took me off my game a little bit because the money that was going to use for To release the music couldn't release the music because it was hooked up in a lawsuit. So i just was like ok people. Were actually coming to me telling me that. They didn't want to work with me because of this whole lawsuit thing and they were telling me that i needed to get a piece of paper to show that like. He wasn't showing me that we work working together anymore. Like things like the shit getting flipped and it was just like. Wow so you know. The money got spent other places and you know and i had to actually go back and make another out like i had to give up my mind right and then go figure out how am i gonna make a whole nother outlet. I have no money right. So that's why it took so long i still. I'm gonna come out with that album. I'm calling it reset it's coming at everybody's information from the indie gogo if you are somebody from that indie gogo and you think your information has changed. Hit me up at i. love reese. music edgy. Mail dot com. And get me. So i can make sure that you get what you get because i have I know i did the fulfillment. Of the t shirts i did the fulfillment of you know songs that i was supposed to cover. I still have a couple more to do though. But i i did most of and then i have There was other things that i need to do. Like make phone calls the people and stuff like that shot out l. But the album people so the people who were any gogo. They're going to get the album. I i'm stiff in my brain. They are still on my show. They are still in of like okay. I need to satisfy those people. I cut money live my life and go under traffic but i did figure out. I think it's a great segue to to kind of go back to the new music. And i won't say too much because as you mentioned i have been so fortunate for first of all for anyone. Who's watching right now. This interview will be on my podcast. Show low's lounge podcasts. And you can check that out on anchor affirm spotify iheartradio pandora stitcher bullhorn fm etc etcetera. And please go support recent music. We're talking about the music and the new album. If i must say i'm up without saying too much it's like it's like how do had a baby okay and the baby just said mommy. I'm better than you and walked away. It's like you're going to hear reese and ways that even it really threw me for a loop like i hit her up and i said look i have my notes and we're going to go through the song by song and i was just blown away. I was blown away. And i'm not going to say too much but is there a for you. Wanna talk about or mention on the new album. i wanna say what a good description how i it's like. How do i was like mommy. I'm better yeah. I'm just as good. Yeah it's a classic mama it's a clemson it. I'm gonna use that like bamboos in that state that s why stores frequent. I think well. I only talked about having a soul record straight up soul you know and Yeah this great and there's another song called I don't know which one do you wanna talk about. I don't know i. China which went over to the desire. No oh i know but we can get to that if permission penny lane okay lane. Yes that's a record. S song is a It's owed to my groupie girls pending. It's beautiful it's like. It's the song to the groupies girls. And sometimes girls help you. Groupie girl number one over here. They sometimes you know. Like i'm not mad at groupie girls because there's been many times that like i didn't have assessories or my luggage got like caught up at the airport. We were on tour with polly and yes them groupies. That quality had them. John came with suitcases. And it'd be like as you. I got you. I'll let you borrow some stuff to make you actually thank you because i just got off the airplane. I have sweats on. And i actually have gone i can. I don't have my luggage. So shout out to the group of girls that actually hold down artists on stage. And i think that's a great song because here's the thing so i mentioned this joking earlier but it always seems like music always hit you when you really need it but the funny thing is is that when i was nineteen again i wasn't out yet. I was still trying to find myself. I was in college. Everything nineteen and then how. I do affected me. Now that i'm thirty eight. And i'm doing great and i feel good Just recently had my heartbroken. That's okay don't cry from argentina. it's all good. It's not my loss But i feel like this album and a lot of the songs were speaking to me for example by mentioned penny lane but then there's bridges. I cannot wait to all of your fans here's bridges. They're going to be like who's that can tell you grossing. I'm to be too honest right now but bridges member. What i said about soon nami. You didn't do nami bus. My is bridges is the is the new sue nami of the album. I was like i'm walking away. I'm done with you. That nevertheless song that i record it and i was okay for that album. I was not in the best place for remember. I told you. I was being among okay. I was being sued. I was living in la. I was like you know doing what i was doing. And i had actually started like working in the marijuana industry with growing and stuff. So i was kinda like not doing music prior and i realized i was like i have to do a whole nother like i have to. I can't what am i gonna do like. This dude is sued me. I have to get lawyers. I'm getting lawyers. I'm in the mix of that. Being sued was overwhelming. I don't know what at that point. I didn't understand only make that a part of my life. You know it was like consuming. Me and i was worried. I didn't have any music that i could use to even make more money to like. Put something out. Because i had the indigo people. My bag like they. They were great and they have always been great. But i just had that that like. Oh my god. I thought i o these people this music and i was like you know what i some. Oh i had wrote a song a few months before with guiding jj. I called them up. And i was like. Jj i need to make new album. He was like you got a budget. I was like nope i'll go. He was like well. Can you get to new york. Can you get the jersey. And i was like i think so but if i left i was like. I don't know how i'm working pay my rent. You know but i'll do it. He was like come to my house. We will do so. I flew to new jersey. Paterson new jersey dated this man's house plan to stay there for one month. one month was overweight. Have all songs done. And i was like. I'm not going back until i have the album done state another month and after like a month and a half one more song left to record and it was bridges and i was not really feeling it i was like man the senate whole registers singing for me like way higher and i just wasn't there i was just wasn't used to it. Liked what the song was saying. You know. I like the words but the style of the song was so different. It was like kind of pop. Music like typical. Pop like kelly. Clarkson like taylor. Swift pa. And i can sing it. But i just wasn't known for this. I was sure and jj was like just try to sing. the song. and. I kept pushing john off at this person's house like living in their in their not in a room but in the second room that they had they had like three bedrooms had one roommate asked bedroom. And i'm like i'm up here like living at this man's house who i knew him but i know him like four years. You know what i mean. I was like going to write songs. And and i was just like i can't just like live here like i can't just sit here for two more weeks like i'm just here like i'm here for a reason so i finally was like all right. I learned his damn song. So i sat in that room and just kept playing it on my headphones learning the song and then i went missing it and after i recorded it he was like he was like if i had known you was noticing. That song like that. Are you crazy. What like what like you you know. He gave me one of those reactions. And i was just like here. I did not wanna keep singing hungry but that was like all right. It's hard to sing is art. It was really high. And i was singing that high although i can and it was just like i just went is something that i don't want to do. It's usually nail it. Because i don't wanna keep doing it so i'd be like here go nothing and i've got like everything into it and i did. He was like aw man and you know what the song that every everyone. Here's the album. That's the song that i'm most nervous for people to hear and that is always the song that people talk about. That's that's your. That's your first single right. There says oh. My god don't even say. Jj's washington is. He's going to be like. i told you. I told you your first thing all your fans listening watching this now. I'm saying this. Because once. When i heard it the first thing i don't want to i'm not trying to jay z. Wants to don't compare me to nobody. So i'm not trying didn't comparing all i heard was. I heard pink. And then i heard kelly clarkson but when i heard you singing in those keys who the hell is this dash and you and you did it so beautifully and so effortlessly and it was so great to see your versatility and see put zayn no. That's not what you sound like. I know i've been with you since old one girl sound like that. That was good for you. And i love that about you and if not i single abi i to something. But that's your. I told you on this song on this album. You have a song called burning burning dance. Desire burning desire out. Why did i write burning. Dan's sorry Burning desire. And i've been telling you this is your Your gay pride anthem for all my lgbtq. In the name of art. Wendy how you doing. This is your gay pride anthem but this album is so sistance from it's just it's like how i do version two point. Oh nice such. And it justice you it justice someone else Someone on the chat with scrolling early on the first one part one and they were saying is. Can you beat how do like you beat it. You know and i'm like. I don't think i've oh reading queen i think is but i see what they're saying. Can you do something as good as that mike. Yeah that's what i. That's what i take from when people say things like that. Can you be making that out again. And yes you did. And and you've got the receipts and i'm blessed to have the receipts. I'm telling you you guys so worth it and when you hear you're going to think about this conversation and you're going to be like okay. He was reading lorraine they were ready. They were right. what what what. What are we thinking about release when timeframe and what we want to do with this. I need number one before i like say. Oh this album's coming out of the day. I have to give to the indigo people. I and i want to see and right now mixing into soon as it's done like mastering i you mix something at any master it. I'm so like. I feel like inexperienced with mixing that. I'm so like second guessing myself a second guessing everything and so i haven't mastered again and i'm still like talking to the mix engineer about stuff and i just like to take a long time because i want to sit and listen to it in waveland like just not listen to a four while and then listen to it. It's not like you know. And so. But i'm going to tie it up and then we're gonna master and then i'm gonna just give it to the indigo first. 'cause like they is there l. for real and then i'm going to press some of press up because i have to press a vinyl because people both vinyl and i have a small company in philly that i'm planning on going to and so you know as soon as i get it done. I'm going to give it out. He no and then a month after that. I'm going to have a release date. And then i'll start saying hey ready to get this album and stuff like that about the indigo people. I so again. If you're listening to this new scape some money. Bossom perks did anything for indigo on. Hit me up on that email. I love reese. Music dot com or at I love reese music edge email. Reach out to me. Let me know your name and address. They did have the name that you did. Give me and all that kind of stuff. Because i had the list from the original time and i haven't forgotten awesome. I just want to say one thing. We're probably going to get cut off again from because they give you an hour limits. So if you have time. If you're down i'd love to do a part three because i still wanted to you talk about if it's okay with you your plans for the twentieth anniversary for how i do and then at low ses nouns. We like to play two different games. That i think you really really enjoy what i know. It's gonna happen soon so this is my plan to everybody who's watching. I see a lot of people in here right now. I'm going to sign off on the go back on. Live comeback join us. We'll be right in a matter of seconds all right cool hun own own Wrong back everybody. Welcome back to los knowledge podcast. I'm your host. Carlos reyes otherwise as all right. So reese lows is like this last part of my of my name right but for me lows means. I don't know what lows means love but does your name love of self love of self or or these days laughter over sadness. We'll we'll talk about that off camera so anyways. Welcome back to the show and again we are with musical. Artists reese who is celebrating or we're coming up years and now it's been a minute and i know i know i h since last wednesday. I know i'm gonna. I mean i'm honest about people. Only reason like that forward about it because people tell me that all the time. So i appreciate it. We mix good moisturizing. Really good I have to and my mom does. It comes from my parents. My mom my dad. They both you know my dad guy. Ritchie's soysa here with us. But they i mean he looked onto you know so it's all good back black. Don't crack sometimes it. It withers but it barely cracks. But the thing is we do have a twenty anniversary. I'm like super excited about it. But instead of sweet it's bittersweet because you know i'm gonna be honest i thought that A little different I didn't have huge expectations. When i went into it. But i definitely thought that i would be in a different place right now And but i know for a fact that nah i haven't had anyone that has heard my album say that it was horrible or bed. People like it. You know it's either. You don't know who i am like. You have a new idea who i am. And you don't know why that person over there was like freaking out right freaking out or you are absolute and i appreciate all the people that do know me because they love my music. That's why maintenance blanche. I liked it. We were hard on it. It costs a lot of money to make took a lot of time to let energy lot of relationships lost some gained travel the world and i'm here to keep singing it so you know partner. Steve mckee we do online performances. On sometimes i dj on my facebook live. I've been doing. Facebook live lately. Because i realized a lot of my fans are of a certain age and we are on facebook and so i'm on facebook live or facebook dot com slash. The one reese But yeah this. It's been twenty years and is crazy But i just really surprised myself. And i'm happy and i was very elated win. The when universal music group. Those are the people that originally signed me and they own the album still and they're not even john and Because that's what i signed to. You know they pay for it. So they own it and They wanted to do a twentieth anniversary release. And they wanna do it. Digitally house like disney. Like i mean. I guess but so i. I'm still talking to them. Currently but i'm really really really really pushing to get the license. I can press up vinyl myself so you know put the prayers out there And so i'm praying that they just you know they don't charge me a whole bunch of money to press it up and That's what i wanna do. But if we don't get impressed up and it just comes out. Then that's what it'll be. It'll be great and Gonna try to add as much new music to it as i can like remix us and stuff so You know definitely look out for june. We actually have to put it out. June twenty fifth two thousand twenty one because june twenty six which is the exact date is actually on a saturday. I who cares you know. But you know they're corporation they care india day before we weren't in this crazy cova pandemic world that you'd be out on that road promoting the twenty year anniversary with there have been too. I mean they would not have given me any support to do that. But i would have done it myself for sure. It's crazy for me. The common fans alike because that is a classic. And if that's why wouldn't you wanna know you gotta understand like it's a classic to us but to them. The people who there are a lot of people in the building that really liked that music so they wanted to work it and they were working however those people don't work there anymore so you have different people and you don't understand i'm in the archival to archival department me if my battery charge and it's still like a search demographic of people that just aren't us you know and i can't make them us but they definitely care about releasing it because it's what's on their desks toward god however they weren't necessarily there when the music was made and they weren't working so they don't really know i'm not sure how much of the culture they really understand that i'm a part of in creative. You know so. I can't be mad at that. It's just what it is. So i'm trying my best to educate them and to let them know that i'm matter and delivered to music and for me to be able to promote it is very important and it's important to me. You know simply to have the opportunity to press up vinyl and tim you know to make it a big deal for us because it was a big deal you know and i mean when i think about the level of creativity that even the label at the time put into it i mean i had ellen von unware taking the photos for the cover art of the album the you know we had lisa cooper styling. You should definitely google these names because ellen von worth is an amazing photography has like tashin books table books like this big you know with just naomi campbell cakes amazing photos like you know she's she's she does iconic images and she does take. She doesn't need the any level with budget budget. You know but she takes iconic pictures reality all different types of camera and so you know she kept those photos and i actually was fortunate enough to get a copy of every photo in the shoot. So i'm looking to incorporate that into the new The new images for you know the twentieth anniversary ken. So i'm discussing all of those great cool options. Because that's what i care about you know and i feel like when you're really connected to the music you care about that kind of stuff to the backstory We shot it in in chinatown in new york just simply because we wanted to shoot. They wanted to shoot me in a place where i stood out. You know. I guess you know at the end of the day. Do i really stand out. In urban setting no am i with from urban urban setting. No so you know but we did go to chinatown new york. Which is you know. I guess that's urban. I don't know but this is different and so yeah it was fun. And that's what we did. And yes years anniversary coming out. June twenty fifth and. I'm trying my best to enhance this. So is not just the same song you know what i mean in a couple of remixes i remember trying to go hartselle As soon as i get those details you know. I'll let us know. Thank you and thank you. I'm curious to see what their favorite tracks are on. On how i were or just in general in your catalog Do you ever think about doing a live album. Have thought about it. But i just haven't done it. You have thought about it. I think if i if i do a live album you know it's for me. I want to hand pick every single personnel stages me you know playing and i want it rehearse and you know and the way i do the way i wanna do it. You know honestly it it would either take. It would either be a labor of love or because the money you know and because the people wanna use very very great what they do and they're also very popular busy. You know one of the one of the first records. If i'm not mistaken that you heard of yourself on the radio i forgot so much in this earlier was I think you said seven hundred mile situation in my correct with that. Seven hundred miles was the song. That wasn't the first song that i heard on the radio but it was in a sense the first song that i actually heard that when i listened to it the one this one time i heard it as if it wasn't my song Which is like. It's just like you know when you see your work. Say you do something. It's like when you you're making food right and you make dinner and when you make dinner for somebody care about and you taste it and you taste everything that you did to make it and you're not quite sure if it's really good because you're thinking about how hard it was to make or how nervous you were making it that listings of her and that's how it was. That's how it is when. I listen to my music but there was one time one time i don't know. How long does that song like five minutes long. 'cause then you have that altro that groovy for that amount of time. One time in my entire life. Did i hear that song. And that's the only on that i've ever done that. I heard like that like it was somebody else's song and i fucking loved it like a fucking loved it. I was like yeah like. Oh yeah and it was going and playing and playing and i was like. Oh yeah i come believing and i never thought it was my song. It was weird. I was just listening to it in blown away by this song. 'cause it was almost it's almost like when i when i was listening to it it was like and i don't know if y'all and y'all listen to it. Is this what you guys feel. When i listened to it then one time. I was like if like when the base of stuff was coming in and playing been almost like it was hit vibrations on be like like it was like i felt like i felt it. I wasn't just like i was listening to it and it was like i was feeling it and i was like and to it and i was like. I didn't know what was going to happen next and i was just like how i mean. I can't believe it and then it was over. And i was just like. Oh my god. I never heard like before and it was. It was the best day of my life. One of the best days. I was driving in a also. Rahmael was active-duty was driving me. And yeah we were just gonna go for a ride and drive of the area and he popped mushin. I was like what. I can't believe it. And i just couldn't believe i believe that he wanted to play the songs or whatever but i just couldn't believe that i heard like that for the first time and i don't i don't even know if even knows it like that was the only time like ever in my life and i don't think i'll ever hear any of myself like that ever again and it was mind blowing. I couldn't believe it. I can't believe it. I was just like while we top down is a nineteen sixty seven mayo. Orange white ours on the inside like he was just all like prime condition. You know and Driving up about a pch. Top-down nice sunny day. That's kind of what. How i do is though do that. Album is a vibe like for me i love you can hear the music plano. I actually have it. But i haven't low because i want to capture your voice. I have seven hundred mile situation playing in the background but for me that album instill till this day like. That's the type of album that you can go to the barber shop. Come out the barbershop. Fresh death and you put that on. Lower the windows on a nice sunny day and it's just a whole vibe so when you talk about seven hundred miles situation a song like that that baseline alone is five. I feel like that song encompasses everything that you really give us in a sense on how i do in my talk. Thank you i just before. I keep forgetting because i i know that you know. We talked about the new research that's becoming now. I can't continue to can't stop throwing enough roses action. I'm sorry i'm just multitasking here. Making sure everything's working the new album and when it does come out. What's that going to feel. Like for reese. Honestly sometimes i i hate to say it because like i'm all hate to say it but sometimes i felt like i'll be able to be done like i'll you know like all right it'll be like done like what all never music again but like. I've just been through so much to try to get this record out because all these like jokers just always like mickey mouse than people like people that just don't want to let it let us live. Yeah like me feel like okay. Like i can finally like move on. I can like move forward so another another chapter in my life for like not gonna sing anymore. But because i always probably do it but i just feel like i finally got it done because i feel like i owe people in i. Do i feel like i owe bowl. You know music. And i showed them another record because i i told me so damn good and i actually did the music and did the work and i actually have it. It's like all right. Can the universe come together so we can get this shit out. You know so. I'm kinda just at that point. But and i'm really ready to just like give away like gives out this music like you know like when people you know can get merged. It's like yeah asked me for some music. 'cause you probably get you know like you won't figure out how would it needs to be with cross whatever but it's like i'm just ready to like release all this music have been doing for the less longtime so i can actually like started getting into something else to some new music. You know I really like working partner. Steve mckee and like i just. But i really feel like i gotta get this old stuff. I before really go hard. You know like we have like a group together. Called mckeon reese and we decided to go with something like that. I like suggested like. Can we do this together. Because you know i wanna partner. You know what i'm saying. I want somebody that's gonna really like care about it as much as i care about it and and and you know. Be more diligent than i am. You know and be more consistent than i ever have been just want to work with people now that just will do music will want to get it out by any means necessary because they need to get it out because they don't have anything else going on like they need to get music out because this is what they do. This is all they care about this guy giving town. This is like what they wanna do. You know i just and and for me steve. Is that like you know like he really. You know this is is all you know. All our eggs Asking us go like if they should be. We're that good. You know and is different working with someone that you know people who are just here there and everywhere or feel like i can work with this person that you know. It's like something to be said about like hunker down having a connection with someone i also. The pandemic had a lot to do with the to like you know 'cause just realize like when the pandemic can't and we were in that position where it was like all right who you bumped up with. You know what i mean. It was like wow you look to your left. You not right. You liked him. Whoever i'm around now is probably gonna be around. You know and i looked to my left in it. I have this like incredible producer. Musician drummer person. Just great person you know to my left and it's like why. What else would i do. Why else would i do it in already with this person and you know and i also the second thought think i thought was Thank god i didn't just you know stay in colleges like do a regular job in like ignore the fact that actually just like to sing because like when pandemic kid is like what you really doing what you really doing it for. Who working at four a. y. You really work for down low. Like for myself and i did work for myself but i've never really liked appreciated as much as i do. Now right you know. I appreciate it so much more now because like yes like it if the shit shit tomorrow. I'm glad that for the last ten years. I've been trudging along so i still do this today. 'cause now can't go out to your fucking job even if you wanted to even if you just get as distraction you can't go to and i can't be just all you live for you know and i'm just glad i made that decision early on to just be like momma singer. No i'm not. I'm not gonna have no nine to five job and any rolling nine to five job because shoot as many times. I was sitting at my house wishing i had one. Okay because you know wanting to pay my bills. A certain way wanna live sir are way just wanting to travel. You don't have sand live light and wanting to pay for things to pay for things you know. But i'm also glad that i had those years of having a like figure this shit out and rely on my creativity and keep relying what would my legacy is in and and caring about legacy and trying to to the slide. Yeah what you do now. You know a lot of people. I think now are saying you know what i'm gonna travel 'cause i never got to travel. Well now i'm more in the zone of. I wanna be settled because i live my life and a did what the fuck. I wanted to do how we do it now. Like all right. Let me settle down. Let me lock in with just one person and let me get you know. Let me get better at at my craft because there's an audience out there that wants to get better at my craft beano. Y'all are out there. You know what i'm saying. So i said i'm practicing more on the. Dj's have upright practice. tonight. I'm going to do my own. Mix tape like i'm going to do it like you know like shout. Nina sky of from from nina. Sky's she She did a mix tape for me years ago. She took all my demos. And i know what the hell still on in. She did and she'd like blended next. May some dope jaw for me and now it's called a box of chocolates at honestly. I don't even know where to hell. You can find it at. I'm actually trying to go on my o computers and find it because there's somebody out there that to me on the 'em and they're like yo i i don. I lost my computer. Can you send it again. i'll see you. You know like you should sell it to me. And so i gotta find that for her shut out to. Her name is kate and No her name is dorothy. Oh way off your way off this other girl case vinyl but is dorothy bringing. Yeah and you know. I'm just like yeah. I'm gonna do. Another fan was like yo. You need to take this this this imagery. You make a poster make a mix tape and i'm like you know a good idea some to that and i'm going to set them up tonight like i'm gonna start making it. I'm gonna do it on my you know so bear beyond might not be the best mistake ever but because it's going to have songs you've never heard before songs that you love and i'm gonna be blending them the cuba so spaghetti. I'm excited. I'm what to call it. Bill Bid body in bread. Yano this talk say that you have on the real world Include i want to end this with two quick quick games and then And then before. I ended up. Thank you so much for everything and for doing this before i forget to say it is my god. It's a privilege all right so two games we play and i'm sure you've probably heard one of the first one is going to be one has to go. I'll name three items. could be any object. Could be a person and you have to pick which one goes all right here. We go. I one chocolate pizza chinese food. I can live without chocolate really images gluten intolerant though i guess like twice what it was so good because i don't eat it often at i'm fairly e i really don't anymore but i just needed like regular pizza. And then john was so cracking and the girl. One of them was homemade like my homegirl. That just makes food on instagram for her. Mom i was like yo what's up. Thank you got me. Also then she was like. I'm delivering pizzas as she made me this pizza and i it the whole thing but you know what i looked like i was about to have twins cut it out. Cut it down from i. I can't do it anymore so now back on live not eating but yeah all right next one. Eighties nineties two thousand. Ooh i wanna save thousands. But i'm a part of two thousand so ninety ninety s Biggie now is to buck even thinking about that. Because i'm a biggie fan. And i'm a fan too. I like to talk though. Because i i met his aunt. Assad asia corps wong. I went to cuba. And i got to meet her when i was in cuba moon out with that. She drove me around in her car. Yeah i got a story for that. S that's a whole nother episode. All right and then. Let's play quickly. Before we end one word association saw say one word. And you give me one word that the first word that comes to your mind all right first word melody honestly thought eight evans. Why because i love her melodies of her first album maine ninety. Who can love me back you. U2's Ain't no reason that i'll ever be untrue. And then when you hold me any of his fans land. It's like every melody on. The album is like ridiculous. Anything when you say melody my faith evans. awesome freedom. I always think johns. I think the songs i think I think that when you say freedom honestly i think george michael freedom The culture a culture. I don't wanna seem vein. But i thought thought me beautiful. Beautiful last word reset is now. Amen amen the power of now and on that. No that is a perfect way to conclude this episode. I have to give extra special. Thanks to my special guests res. Yeah thank you so much. As such great question says great energy and i mean i know people enjoy this interview. It was is trill sherline. It was real. I believe in it to my queen. I believe in. Its will you so much for your time. You have been more than generous. And i just want to say i'm proud of you. I'm here with you. And i cannot wait for the world to to really really listen to the new album. You really need to know that your contribution to music is respected appreciated and we will always hold you down to the queen are now thank you so much i appreciate you. Guys word of mouth is real. I feel like that's how my album. I one got out there and i know that my fans are gonna going to keep going forever forever because you know what never dies. That's right doesn't know it goes on and on that note. That concludes episode. Everyone good night and could tie the.