20 Episode results for "George Martin"

Natasha Rothwell: A Sketch about a Spoilerer

Netflix is A Daily Joke

05:22 min | 3 months ago

Natasha Rothwell: A Sketch about a Spoilerer

"Gentlemen i am home. I see on the side walk. And i'll spend my days in the new york public bob bird because of that. I read all george martin guy there go ahead. No the t. v. show. I will tell you if you do not give me money. No threesome cook is dead with trading which i have read so i know what happens to john snow. Everybody knows he's is he is he. Thank you very much. Something ryan like land is to always paid his debts now while i have read these books. I'd have yet to realize my dream of cnn brought to light bussan. What kinda give me that. Hbo gulp or the hbo nail were. No i guess. I will have to tell you which characters into tree guy notice l. stupid but there's a lot of stupid shit that happened in the books that they have been on show. Yes this is my password. Please shut up. About game of thrones. You should always have capital letter k. I guess this by la more girls to to action. Dragons and five and midget sandra to today's your duckie day. But i cannot spoil the powell but was journey to self discovery gain not be tampered with. Do some yoga. Well well well. It looks like we got ourselves a hero. she's deaf. The public library offers l. classes every thursday at seven in an air conditioned rule. You want to know how became homeless. Let tell you it all started back at castle black. That's what i called my home michigan. Dim makina was invaded. Not by dragging the by just to rate mortgage in two thousand eight waiter to i had it south to escape doh white walk. The what will white men who onto my house conviction pie so now. I am without a whole much like of tom story. This green well guess what dumbledore gets kill on page. Five hundred ninety six east to brian. Go but you riding the trey by trying to train on praying you show lay well where i know that face to face over woman really great. Guess what you don't give me money. I'm gonna tell you what happened at two stages signs a contract from but thank you very much is more budget. I'll come on to talk about dick lancaster yet. The cat news. 'cause i well read and debt on demise your expectation month all look. I'm get your polling. Guac brick catch natasha. Rothwell and her episode of netflix presents the characters.

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Taking Care of Your Own

Veteran On the Move

19:01 min | 1 year ago

Taking Care of Your Own

"Welcome to veteran on the move. If you're a veteran in transition and entrepreneur wannabe for someone still stuck at the GOP trying to escape this. Podcast is dedicated to your success. And now your host job bring have you checked out. American forces travel yet. American forces travel is an exclusive website powered by priceline bill for veterans and active duty. Check them out at veteran the move dot com slash travel our back talking with retired Brigadier General. Tom Brady. Us Marine Corps. Call sign sage so sage. What if you could talk to us a little bit about taking care of your own and in the context of when you first learned as a when you're to Kademi and early is a young officer in the Marine Corps. What was your experience with taking care of your own. Yeah thanks Joe and down. I think this is a critical part of leadership. Never leadership talk that. I've given boil it down to two things -CCOMPLISH submission and take care of your troops. And sometimes they can be in conflict the other day in class this game up and all of that Maybe shortly but at the Academy of when I was there as a midshipman and then later as a company officer the disadvantage we had was We did not have enlisted senior enlisted integrated into the brigade that is assist the officers so a lot of that relationship officer to enlisted. We just had to kind of pick up on her own and then later at basic school as reinforced. But I guess at boil down to one of the things that I I learned some when a first sergeant said To me AH I. I don't care what you know as long as I know that you care and that may seem kind of a clever plan words but it's it's really the essence He knew that coming out. Basically School I knew a lot about the tactics instructor and so forth of the Marine Corps. That's the beauty of the basic school for. But that other part I guess has to either be inherent or it's learned and it's it's it's best. I guess if it's inherent but it can certainly be learned in that is to give a damn about your people and it's a kind of a balance because you're talking about people that has combat leader your schoon ascend into harm's way and those that Sun Tzu talked about the EU treaties zone beloved sons. You're putting them at risk. So how can you care about them if you're exposing them to death? But that's a set the challenge of of leadership of a combat leader of again getting the job done but taking care of the troops. I the first Part of it is simple. And that is Know who they are. I mean it's easy for them. They've only got one to ten or one. Captain is a case may be but it's important that that you know who they are and that maybe takes a little bit of work in some are better at that than others but I can no straight at best buy story of when we had a reunion on my rifle company This is years after he'd been Vietnam and ice showed up as an active duty colonel at the time. But to the minds of my troops I was still the captain still skipper. And of course. In my mind's eye they're still PFC's lance corporal although they're Kinda Gray and perhaps if editor coupons but you know we just went back in time together and anyway George Martin walked up and said Sir you know I. It's great to see against Jim. Remember when when when I showed up reported my company is not know Georgia really. Don't he said no? No don't you remember you're standing there talking. And then all of a sudden there's all kinds of noise and explosions and screaming and hollering and so forth in New Tournament. Said Martin. I'M GONNA be Kinda busy here. Good jumping that whole and when all of this is over we'll talk some more. I said. No Georgia I don't remember we. Why do remember what's the big deal? George now is really hurt. He said Sir the big deal a big deal was you knew my name. You knew my name. You're telling me that George Martin got blown away that day. Somebody would know that. He went out as a fighting marine. You knew my name I just. I've always lashanda that that. That's a critical point of knowing the name of of your troops. It's a great beginning but sometimes We overlooked at but so that's the first next year their welfare And you can't make it easy for them conditions but you can make them as good as you can and try to set the example of of being willing to share the hardships of your troops. You know as a leader in combat. You don't have a more refined fighting whole a in a with a with wallpaper enough fours and so forth but you gotta be there And again it's it's the business of of showing up. You know ninety percents of success. What he ellen said is showing up and that's That's what it's gotta be You can pretend to care but you can't pretend to be there and that's I think in another necessary aspect of demonstrating that you care about the troops. You can't from a distance say Jay. This is going on or that's going on You gotta be there where you can sit and do something about it. And every officer has the opportunity to use his authority in may be limited secular tenant. But he's still the officer and still he can get things done that can benefit our make life better for the troops as they prepare for for their mission so those would be just a first initial thoughts of knowing who your troops are and then showing up being there at the time in a when when they're digging fighting holes and the officer shows up suddenly that becomes important My dearest friend General Krulak he had Second Force Service Support Group Would show up in his coveralls. When troops are changing oil on the vehicles think how important changing oil became when the commanding general's showed up and was wanting to get down there and dirty with them as well Some people say well this kind of Hokey thing I can tell you. It just speaks volumes about caring enough to to show up and and to to see what would your troops are doing and to as best you can make What they're doing a bit easier or more productive and so I think those are the aspects of carrying the other. Things are getting fed getting promoted. I mean all those things are part of the officers responsibility into that can't be shirked and that can't be passed off to the edge and under arts of the personnel officer or somebody else is the leader who's got a care about as people demonstrate has carrying by What what he does or what he feels to do. Well a phenomenal eloquent way of explaining taking care unit for firsthand experience. So we're gonNA take a quick break and We come back. We're GONNA talk a little bit about how you've taken taking care of your own out of the Marine Corps in an it's incident sector as a college professor will be right back if business travel coming up vacation time or you're going on leave. 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You've actually had some experience taking that concept out of the military and into the savane sector and a number of different ways and what you're doing currently is as a college professor. Can you talk a little bit about what you've done or how you've taken this concept taking care of your own into the into the world of? Teaching College Kids Shirley Joe Yeah it's a amazing. When I got out of the Marine Corps I was really concerned of what was I going to do as an infantry officer I knew how to use things and people and so but in think there's much need for the billion but as fortunate enough to To land a job with USAA which focuses on the military families and so forth so it does seem to be a good fit. But the other is that I was the first Corinne retired general officer to come to. Usaa Verma Konare Force Organization there in San Antonio and a great outfit My days with UCA. I absolutely loved the Great Leader's not great people But primarily air forsell bit army navy and now comes this marine. So what is this? GonNa be off so I guess the first thing I realized is that The things that I had learned As about leadership are translatable into the civilian world now obviously a different mission That goes without saying but but they're still listen mission. Our mission was to provide the best products and services we could to to our numbers not customers but members because they are member members of your organization of UCI and their families and to be there when they're having difficult time so you know A loss of some kind or pcs move which can be really. You're shattering are rubery stressful to families. But these things that that I had experienced and I thought gee this an opportunity to To translate this so I think long I had was As charges support services and one things told me after I had gone there. It was You're going to be in charge. The Fiesta and I said Gee that's that sounds was a fiesta. By well we bring in a bunch of people and is yesterday for percent tournus agree how many people you expect Run five thousand or so. Okay all right. Thanks so To prepare for this Various folks building your little stance and so forth again. You can pretend to care but you can't pretend to be there so I go on Saturday and I'm wandering around and talking to people and find out what's going on and one guy is looking at me really. Kinda strange and I. I walked over to him. And I said you're a marine right. And he popped to attention. Here's heels click and so yes sir. How do you know that Sir as well I kind of guessed it but You know how you doing. I said Listen I've got a bunch of stuff. That friend of mine recruiter sent me. Oh why don't you come by my office Monday and And will confess. Oh yes there will be some rules on. There's no sign of an so. I paged him. Which really they've used in trouble. Sushi shows up. You know kind of peak around the corner when enjoys come on man and so I passed on some of the stuff term it. And he's he's looking at all of this and with tears in his eyes he said. Sir Are we gonNA have a Marine Corps birthday here and I said of course. You'RE GONNA have Marine Corps birthday him. Who got some rains it? We got two marines. That's all we need for Burton. Of course I didn't clear that with anybody but but as one of those things Joe that when you have instincts that say this is the right thing to do. you just have to not give wrapped around the axle asking permission because sometimes for people to decide. They've got to go through all the ramp. This is the right thing to do so we did so. We had our first marine corps birthday and because of that then USA. Well Gee since the Marines Having their birthday all the services will have their birthday so they used a veteran's day the eleventh of November so the tenth to that. But the point was you know. Here's a marine that the Dow was working honestly wanted to have the marine birthday celebration proud of Viscera Jr. and so. That's that's what we did. The other is that Again following the lead that I had of of Getting you dirty I. I went out in Worked on the on the cars because the vehicles part of my responsibility. You'll appreciate this. I went out to the airplanes which are also part. Usa responsibility got a chance to to replace things a generator and realized how difficult it is to work on. An I'd worked on cars little bit before but there's not much room in her plane and it came out with busted knuckles and so and I'm sure that afterwards though the mechanics michener that I didn't screw it up but but but the point was there I am in coveralls seeing what they did again an idea of what the ask him. You know How how can we make things better? Do you have any ideas? Any thoughts and so forth then to get that direct feedback The same way I would in the Marine Corps to appeal of C What do you think of this idea? What do you have any thoughts hard? We can make this better to get that feedback and not that every idea is going to be a good one but but people appreciate being asked and tavern important so often I I realized that and with any kind of change we automatically get into the how. Here's what we're going to do and so forth and I read a great book not just pass on to heaven. Anyone called man's search for meaning by Viktor. Frankl this book. changed my life and. I wish that I'd read it Much much earlier but in it he makes the statement that if you can explain the why most people can live with the how. Yeah if you'RE GONNA explain the why was people can live without. But how often in the Marine Corps in USA all through my life you know the bosses The the the heavy say here. We're going to make a change in. Here's we're going to do without explaining the Y you know what? What is it that we're trying to accomplish? Show me the picture. It doesn't tell me the why of it. What is it GonNa look like you know? How are we going to do? And so forth. But D- automatically get into the how without your take nest of explaining. Why just never made sense to me so that I think it was one of the things that I kind of picked up from. The Marine Corps passed onto druther OFFICE. I've had an opportunity to lead so those are just some of the things that I did Again getting around to know the people and to establish you know the boss who sits in his office is is is making a terrible mistake because if he sits there waiting for people to come in and see him. Many people not do that. Right gotta go out to you. GotTa show that you're assessable that you're willing when I had the two offices and Sacramento and then it's in here in Tampa My wife and I go in on Saturday morning now when we started the extended hours and I walked ron and employs a state. What are you doing here Tom? There's another aspect. I wasn't general. Jody to them. I was Tom Because I didn't want my previous rank to somehow be a barrier in our relationship and our Communications so what? Are you doing Tom and I said well? I'm I'm here because you're here. What do you mean by that is all? You're giving up a Saturday morning. Are you working on Saturday morning because we need you? The least I can do is to show up and demonstrate by my presence that I appreciate what you're doing and it was like Holy Mackerel. You know what a strange notion that one of the people who are on charge of us This showing up to To show his appreciation. And you know that's an again people see what has kind of gimmicky thing and so forth. I don't think so again you can. You can send memos and e mails and so forth. I love you care about you and so forth. Nothing is a substitute for showing up a quick story High School Basketball Player. All American went to college is an all American. I mean just a phenomenal player. His mother attended every game that he played. His mother never saw a single game that he played why she was blind. Wow Gee what did you blind? What does that mean well? The important thing wasn't that she saw him who said he saw her every game up in the stands demonstrating by her presence that she cared. You know that that's not asking a lot of a leader that that you take time from your scheduled to to show up those things that are important to to employs a birthday anniversary. Whatever if you get an invitation to something as a as a leader go. I don't care what it is your the people you're privileged to lead. Thought enough of you to invite you then by. Golly you gotta go Is it just part of? I think demonstrating that that you give a damn bottom well We're getting close in the time for this episode We are going to continue this conversation about taking care of your own I wanted to get to your experience. as you've taken this concept into being a college teacher college professor but I think the interest just keeping them trying to keep these around fifteen minutes. We'll just do a continuation in in continued that this discussion onto the next episode. So thanks again. Sage in these two veterans are asking. Mike listen a veteran on the move. Your Pathfinder to free tube if you like to show review and I tunes reviews are always greatly appreciated so until next time. This veteran is Oscar Mike.

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Episode 02: Game of Thrones | Final Review

The Topic of Choice Podcast

41:30 min | 2 years ago

Episode 02: Game of Thrones | Final Review

"Yeah. Dry guys. Love. I love that music that, that introduces April. It is. It's one of those ones you can listen to just over and over the mood is set immediately. You're like everybody get your seat. Yeah. It's time for me by it sit down. And let's that title screen is just long enough to say, everybody stop what you're doing. And gather. Yeah. Which we kind of just talking about, we're losing those, those times in life where we can gather together so so geared, and I were talking and we're gonna we're going to get into the discussion of game of thrones. And we're gonna talk about, you know what, what, what are thoughts thoughts are on it, and where we think it's going, and where it's been and so on. But right before let's, let's just talk touch on that real quick. So I'm an eighties kid, same gen-x, and you made a comment and go ahead and share with just think I mean my, my son is eight months old. And I was just thinking my son is never going to get the privilege and honor of, of going with his dad and his mom to the video store to select that weekends. We typically got to go on Fridays that weekend's films. Yeah. We'd rent movies on Friday and you had to get there earlier else. The good ones will be gone. Right. So we get there like five six and then you, you know, you stroll down the aisle, my sister, and I got one of it, we got one each and so you know, that pick was like you had to think about it. What, what, what do I wanna spend my two hours watching, and it could be anything? Sure. So we had it wasn't our. And it was VHS, right? Yeah. As long as it was an are. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, the VHS and usually you had the box in front of it with maybe one or two if they were available. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right behind it that you would ram releases have sometimes six or seven right? But, but the the, the good ones. You know, the oldie Goldie kind of movie, you know, you maybe one copy maybe to the most. Yeah. So I actually in college I worked at a place called blowout video allow this was in Richmond. Kentucky and gear not one hundred and I'm curious to your thoughts on. This is well, but in Richmond, Kentucky. It was in the WalMart. Walmart's subway or the Bank. So at this time, there was this, it was a VHS rental video store called blow out video and everything at WalMart. That's at that point they did. But I, I remember people would walk in and working behind the counter. There's just me one person working small little shop, and people would come in, and you have them say, 'have, you heard of that one movie that has this one guy who attacks the other person. There's no internet nine db. You actually had a puzzle out with them as we talking a villain. Reduc insides fiction. Are we talking what we're so good at the move? We are. We learned it like this, like, we had to remember the actors and the movies and the what they were in before and next, and you know what characters they played all along the way, it was the best part of rehashing these movies of your friends on the weekend and leave it or not. I am not so young. I did not get to experience blockbuster blockbuster of my favorite parts of being again. Oh, that that's good to hear. That's got that. Yeah, yeah. When captain marvel came out, we know the block Zoe. That's right. So the blockbuster movie scene that, that I think she came to the ceiling or something. And my son was watching it with me. And I said remind me to tell you what, that is because to him, it's just another convenience or completely missed like what you know what is that? And that you're right. That's a joke completely missed. But for us, it's so nostalgic going back to that the people the eighties kids that were into this then. And we're now are in the movie theater taking their children are all that's right. That's, that's a that's a tip. The cap to us. It is it is we live in a on demand world I call it. And you know I didn't quite that. But, but that's, that's what it is. So on Friday nights to your to your note, Wease family. The five of us still have family movie night. You know, so we try to take advantage of that, as our kids are still young enough to where we have, you know, they're not going out all the time with fringe, so we own sound. That's right. I mean it doesn't have to be no electron IX. It's more about, like it's community together. It's community is family right thing yesterday. So I was building entertainment center, and I have a bunch of movies that were sitting next to my old TV and I was even thinking like I don't even use these anymore. My friend was like you have this movie, and I was like Yaba. I've literally never taken out of the packaging. It's all digital now. Everything digital in like three years ago. One of my favorite things was going out and buying the DVD came out, you know, out of the theaters don't do that anymore. And so what we would have to do, when we would go to the blockbuster movies. We didn't have the option to see the trailer. Right. So for family movie night, this past. It was last night. We had last night we can do Friday night. So last night, the five of us are on the couch, and I've got the apple remote. I use the apple TV so I'm going in and nothing on Netflix looks peeling. So I'm like, well, let's see if there's any good Reynolds. So we're going down the, the tunes. And of course, you can look at the trailer for every single movie. Well, it's watch the trailer. Let's watch the trailer. So the kids, let's watch the trailer. We must have watched like ten trailers. And Finally, I you know, my wife was like, pick one or we're done, you know minutes trailers. That's right. They would they would look at the trailer and say, you know, all whereas we would go to the blockbuster video, and you don't have that luxury. You could read the back. That's right. Check out the pictures because I typically had about three that's all, and that's all you could do and the actor on the front. Yeah. And hopefully it's a it's a good choice. Yeah. Yeah. But sometimes you did not choose wisely say, Indiana Jones. That's, that's right guys, we're going to talk a little bit about game of thrones tonight and. Garrod is just I have I have I had no idea to the extent of the knowledge Bank that this that this guy has with game of thrones. So we, we're in for a treat of just learning about the origins of it. We're gonna talk about the, the seasons kind of what we thought of from the art from beginning to end. We're going to talk quickly about how season eight wrapped up, and then kind of what the thoughts are on going forward and then with the books with Georgia are Martin now in all fairness and disclosure hunter you have not seen any of them, correct? I have not. I've just ride all of angry Twitter responses over the past week when ended on last Sunday. Yeah, it was so I, I tried to say spoiler free all season eight and so what I did because I don't have an HBO subscription each season. I would wait until they were done. I would get instruction and binge it useful. And then maybe the best way to watch it. I think so because then you're not disappointed. You can just get them, you know, you're just power housing. Through. Absolutely. If I weren't just so invested I absolutely on it that way. And that's how I do the vast majority of my shows with this when it was like I can barely wait till Saturday or until Sunday. I mean everything about my week was thinking what's going to happen this week can do this? I ask the click question wondering this. So what was the thinking the reasoning behind making it into a TV show and not a movie was it, just because there was so much material be wouldn't have been able to cover. It know there's chance several moody, they considered option it into a movie several times. George basically, turn them down and said, you can't you can't do my work Justice. There's no way you could possibly do my work Justice. They were talking about a three or four part movie series. And Georgia's like I'm sorry, this is more than ten hours. Okay. Could not do it in ten hours. Yeah. And my thought I went to token when, when you ask that question and I thought that's a very possibly similar question. That somebody may have asked could you do this? In a movie. Peter Jackson, obviously showed us that can be done. It can be done. But I think to the to the extent that these books were written with soem any characters development and everything going on. I think HBO did a good job with that. So that being said, walk me through I, I want to hear a little bit about your history. When you started with game of thrones. Tell me a little bit about how that started. And then let's just let's go from there. So I was in my English class, I was an honors English with kidney Cody Bertram and Cody had a blue book out. That was really big. And I was like, what is that? And he said, it's a storm swords, and I said, swords, I like swords tell me about sorts and he said, it's this really good fantasy book that you should probably is two thousand three that you should pick up and read because I love it. And I was like, you know, I, I was not wholly sold on at that time a fan. Ford and other six months or so. I have a copy of it, and I'm just like, hey, I'll just read it. So I pick it up. I read it's hard to get hooked on the books the first two chapters kinda rough. And then after that, it's just a roller coaster, if you can get to chapter three you're just you start to get invested in the characters. And then one of the first things that happened is the castle of winner fell is a guy named Rodrick ca sell his son is a kid named jury Casello who you're immediately endeared to, because he's he grew up in winner fell with the start kids. They all know him. He's kinda like their jewelry. Right. But he's actually works for the start family and his family has for generations joy dies. In probably the first hundred fifty pages, the book and immediately, you know, this is not the kind of book, I'm used to reading right? Like they're willing to shed or hopes and dreams immediately early on. Yeah. And, and so you knew you're in for a bit of a roller coaster, and then in the end of the first. Season, you we all know, Ned stark and what happened. Right. And it's just it's just a I did not realize that's what I was reading like. Oh my gosh. What is going to happen next? So you had. So, so the way that I believe, George Martin wrote there were two years, separating each of the books, if I'm correct or them that I, I don't know, in that and I know that went to four and then five, and they started to space out, more and more. There were like three or four years between book one and two. And then after that there starts to be a period of almost like six to eight years between each one. Okay. And so it starts to get to the point where my buddy, Cody, and I've been really good friends. You know, we talk about this all the time every time we get together. And we're just always the first conversation topic is still here waiting for the next book, right? You know. And that's how it's felt for almost the majority mine life. I remember the only books that I was eagerly anticipating where the Harry Potter books. Oh, yeah. And I remember the last one that I read, which will like every three year, kind of trajectory. Exactly. And so I remember by the time I started it. Oh, gosh. I was in my late twenties. I think I picked up the first book that, well, I'm just gonna read one of these heroes, all the hype about and I read the first book, I plowed through it, and then second one third one fourth one will that was it at the time. Yeah. Goblet of fire and what do we do now? Yeah. And I'm like okay, like binge watching TV show when you know it has more seasons. Yeah. Now, I'm addicted and there's no more left to consume. Yep. And, and at that point, I remember, you know, trying to check every news article and blog and wins the fifth book coming out. So I kinda know what that feelings like obviously, we didn't have to wait that long for, for JK Rowling to, to wrap that story up, but with the series now we talked earlier in the in camera show that. Georgia are Martin is going to continue the books, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's he's still got. So he initially said that he was going to do as far as I heard that we're going to be three more books. So he just put out a dance with dragons. That's the seven one that's the fifth book fifth book this. Okay. So then the, the six book was is wins of winner. Okay. That one is widely wreck. Everyone knows that where that's what we're waiting on. We're just waiting on a publishing date he submitted apparently to the publishers, they are doing critiques and they're going to send it back to him. It's kind of a process that he goes through the night through with every sure, sure, more specifically than I think, most authors do. Then what they were supposed to do. I thought was do a dream of spring after that in a song of summer, and it was going to kind of wrap up, kind of, like I got the feeling it was going to kind of be like Lord of the rings with kind of an any lick send off, you know, that kind of thing with this beautiful last book, about hot level, DAL annex gets that, and it's he has since said that he's not doing song a summer dream of spring will be the last book. So I think he's just going to do it all in one big compendium giant novel. I think during the spring is maybe going to be as big biggest one page page wise. It's going to be as big as book ever. I wonder if he's just tired or maybe he just knows how to wrap it up. I think if he's tired of anything. Well, if he's tired of anything, I think it'd be the fans. Yeah. Let me let me tell you a little more about my story with the shirts. Yeah. So after my junior year and learning about these books, I got into college and I ended up going to a party one night, and I met this girl at this party who is now my. Wife and the way we met was she was playing guitar and singing a song that I liked and then we got kind of striking conversation and we got to talk about books and I said, what, you know what, are you into? And she said, I love this book series, you probably haven't heard of it. It's called song of ice and fire, and that was it. You knew at that point, I'm told there was another guy who was like kind of coming backing on it. And I said, hey, Chris, it's over. All right, you go to the other room and I'm telling you right now. It's it's over for you. We got something going on so from then on that became part of our relationship as well about four years after that George announced that on his not a blog which is his infamous. He does a blog. It's called not a blog. Okay. And he announced that HBO had optioned his books as a show. So we were obsessed with it. So we decided you know, we would love to go on this book tour with him because he was going to go in this book tour around Ireland discussed that. And so I said, you know this. Is an amazing once in a lifetime kind of trip. We gotta do it. Well, I was in the fan club right Georgia's Georgia Martin's fan club. It's at the time it was called brotherhood without banners. I'm not sure what it's called now it's kinda too big for me to be involved. But anyway, so his wife Paris was in the was in the club and I knew her pretty well through the club. So I reached out to her, and I said, listen, there's this girl that I really would like to marry and I don't know when the opportunities going come up, and I've always every guy gets nervous about how you're going to ask. And that kind of thing, and I said, you know, I'm a reach for the stores kind of guy. And if I seen opportunity, I'm gonna jump on it. And in this case, I said, Paris is there any chance that George would be willing to help me with my proposal and she said, listen. I'll talk to George about it. I don't see any problem with it if he's okay with it. We'll do it. Okay. Let me geographically where are you? And where are they, they live in New Mexico? Okay. On both Paris, and George Libya, Mexico. Where are you at this point? I'm in Kentucky, okay? Yeah. And but we're in the same the same fan club. We might hate through the forums, which are the old school, laugh, the be or more. Exactly. And so, so we've talked a lot. And so she goes to George s George, would you be willing to do this? She sends me message back, says George says he'll do it you show up to Ireland. You're good. So we got a plane tickets. Ireland I went and bought a ring. We go to Ireland turns out, George has has scheduled a casting party for Ireland in Belfast. Right. We were planning on going on a book tour with him across Ireland. We were not planning on a cast party. We will not planning on being in an HBO show, long story short, I end up at the cast party four season. One after they had filmed episode one only hadn't finished the season yet they had just shot episode one and they were going to end up having to re shoot it. But we didn't know that at the time. Well, George gets up and makes them announcements about how this show might be successful. They don't know. You know it's been option. It's been green lit for at least one and maybe two seasons. And then he turns over the floor to me, and I get to ask her to marry me in front of every single actor that, you know, is this somewhere documented, like, was it on YouTube? It's under. G R, M Belfast moot in on YouTube, and you can see me her in front of. Ron down a he the guy from Titanic. Who's the captain that's Tannen? Yeah. He came over, and, and he basically took my wife aside and bought her during soul night, and toasted her all night. And then I went off with rob stark and me. Rob just hung out all night. And we just had the most incredible time, it's, it's still surreal to even talk about. But so I've been just just to plug that into I have been invested in this in a way that I can't even explain since two thousand three and two seed all brought home. I loved the show at the beginning. It was just so good. And then it took a twist towards the end. But that's maybe jumping ahead of the game in terms of what we're talking about. Right. So, so to me from what I from what I've heard, and I have not read the series of books as you have. But as a fan of game of thrones as a fan of science fiction fantasy of. Yeah. This is a big leap forward for fantasy people don't realize they did not option. They auctioned game. The very beginning saying, we think it's going to fail. Because we don't think there's a market for fantasy. Yeah. And they were also talking about the GI budget. They were just talking about how much money they would have to impose at it's on the end and I get it. But I was like, there's definitely an audience for this book skies. Yeah. You don't realize how much of an audience there is. Yeah. In and you know that what they what they did with. I remember watching the very first episode, and it was like you said, you're hooked from episode one that you on those wolf pups. That's right. Whether dire wolves. Right. And but you can see. When the books are done. Yeah. How the writing changes to cliff in new, you had a great analogy of, you know, I'm gonna ask you to kind of give that analogy again. Well, I think I can think of a lot of, but one that came off my head was, it's like when you, you like glass, there was this famous Washington Post reported glass who plagiarized, all these writings for, for years, and people thought of him is just the best writer. He's just the best writer in America. And then he they found out he was plagiarizing and then afterwards he was like guys it wasn't all plagiarism. Listen I could write a great arm. I'm really that talent that talented. And then he starts, he tries to write other articles and people reading it like what is this drivel? This is the worst stuff I've ever read. And that's exactly what it was like for me. It was like they fell off a cliff. It was just you had source material up until this point. And we know exactly when that point was because that's when it gets, that's it nonsense. Yeah. And. You see that you see that. So, so I went through, I think. I took a break from seasons. I finished season five or six and I took a break they had already done season seven, and then when I heard that they were wrapping up with season. Eight I was like, all right. I'm gonna go ahead and pick back up season. Seven I watched season seven, and then I finished I think it was last week binged the the season. Eight. Yeah. And I think I was texting you guys as I was. Yeah. How many episodes in I'm like, number one? I can't even see anything dark. They say YouTube. So somebody said five shades of sunglasses. It was like you're watching the five pairs of sunglasses on. Yeah, you must have to your turn your brightness up on the TV or try. Yeah. What didn't do anything? It could not help it. No. And that was, yeah. That disappoint is I can't no we're going for a night fight. But, you know, let's, let's help us out a little bit with something kind of a band of brothers affect thing in the dark there. I'm sorry. I'm not I'm not just confused irritated because I can't see it became an irritation. It became an air tation. And then, you know, just the incredible change. Let's just talk about Dinares tar Garin. Yeah. She goes from, you know, I think somebody, I could get behind so that, that a champion to a butchering tyrant. You know, I don't know that that's really far afield from where the books are headed if I'm being honest with you. Okay. She you know, they, they said it only in a hundred times in the TV show that when a coin is flipped. You know, everytime charleena's Boina corners flipped, and you don't it's going hedger tails heads being one of the best rulers ever tales being complete and total madman, and that has to do with a lot of their inbreeding because tarring Mary, one another. So I did not know that yet all target married there. Either sister, brother or cousin. And, and it's because keep the lineage pure, they have very distinct features. They purple eyes silver hair and they, you know that that's not really played up as much. But that's that's what they do. And no other family in west rose does that they come from Valeria. So they have a very different view of how this is supposed to go. And they're also they're not a ruling class, in Valeria when they left Leary, but they have dragons. So when they come over to west rose that easily conquer this place and they're like, you know, we were peons back and Valeria, but we're we're the ruling class now. Yeah. So we're going to you know, we're in America because we're the only ruling class. So you think that the that the story arc for her is, is possibly going to stay with. It may come to fruition just that same exact way. I think there's a lot of I think it's going to be more subtle in the books than it was clearly than it wasn't a TV show. But she's had some moments of descent into madness. First of all, you know, the Miri mas- dul is. Is the name of a she was in the TV show? I believe, well, where she where after called Rogo dies. She tells her, you're going to be barren you're never gonna have any more kids. Okay. And then there's also Pyatt pre who's this high priests who basically gives us some fortunes and is putting some, some source react, there that in the way she responds to you. Kinda see you kind of see, hints of what she may end up becoming and she clearly has the monster in there. It's just a matter if she can contain it. I think that, that's a lot of what the ours are trying to deal with their own inner demons, the entire time. And you know Ray goal is Reagan is, you know, that, that's part of his thing is he's, he's found Chee in his in his in his in being a target. He's the poet, king essentially to be. And then he dies now this is the one that gets dies by cow drug targeting. Yeah. He's Brigham second. He. Yeah. He, he gets killed by king, Robert, and that's that Robert's rebellion against his family. And Reagan was probably going to be one of the best kings of all time, and as we know now major spoiler alert. He's the father of John snow. And so that's, that's kind of where you get the he was the true king, he was supposed to be the true king, and his son is every bit. The true King, John is the pit ame- of who you'd want a ruler a person who doesn't wanna be a ruler. So catch me up quickly. Who Jamie Lancaster is the king slayer. What king did he kill who mad king? Heiress is the king. So that would be radars. Father other. Yes. So he was the king at the time when, when Robert's rebellion started so Roberts million started, because you get a piece of this in the show, is that brand Brandon stark, and his father went from winner fell who Brandon start being the older brother of Edward Ned went south because they had some grievances with the crown. And so they went south to go talk to the to mad ks about their grievances and instead of listening to the very reasonable grievances. He instead burn them alive in their armor, by hoisting them up, in, in one of those birdcage is kind of thing and literally burning them alive in it, and so they roasted well, actually, the father choked himself to death trying to get to his son who was roasting alive in the armor. It's one of the most tragic things you have read. But basically that starts Robert's rebellion. Because MAG heiress tells. John heiress. Aaron he tells John Aaron who is tutoring. Ed stark and Robert Baratheon time says give me those children. Give me them because they are children of, of rebel rebellion. Right. And so I want to kill them and John Aaron says, no chance zero chance that's going to happen. You're not going to exterminate to our most powerful families so that starts the John Aaron king, Robert breath, Ian and Edward start start Robert's rebellion. And it's an enormous war that lasts, you know, somewhere around seven to ten years, and, and that's where you see all these events from like the, like the battle to try. And when regards killed to you got to see, you know, the, the battle up at the tower joy, where John is born. You know. You know that all part of it, it's all part of Robert's rebellion. Okay so good history lesson there. Yeah. Yeah. So, so let me ask you this. Season. Eight favorite character throughout season. I'm sorry. See, but season one through season, eight who'd you say one of your favorite character builds are I, I don't know there's a lot that I like so it's really difficult to narrow it down. I think that in terms of accuracy, we talked about the hound earlier and grammar and show. I think the hound is one of those spot on characters ever ROY McCann the actor for that he kills it. He must have read the books. It's too accurate to not have read the book, Sander is so close torn giant Spain is another one that is really close to the character in the books that is exactly how is so I like both of those characters lot, I thought bear dairy and was kind of a wish he'd had better, you know, death and outgoing I love Eric dairy, and he's one of my favorite characters. He's the one that saves aria in the win about a winner fell, he gets stabbed much time and get up down. You know, there's a lot of characters in there that I like that, probably aren't mostly my favorite characters are not main characters. Yeah. Supporting characters. Yes. Yeah. I would say that my Tyrian. Oh man. Yeah. Not and killed it. I think he got a couple of Emmys. He deserves them. Yeah. George said when he wrote the books, he was thinking Peter in that role and then Peter damage later played the role, which is just amazing dream come true for him. And then he played it just to a point to a degree that you just. Yeah. User of the you deserve every EMMY they ever made. It's just so good. It's so perfect to the character. And you feel for me empathize it for him and Georgia Martin has always said, I wrote, I wrote teary Lancaster as me he is George Martin personified into character in the way he wants to see him so. Okay. And so, you know, there's a little bit of sarcasm, but a wit a lot of drinking cetera et cetera. I think that's kind of how George sees himself. He's that's kind of like the early late. Twenties early thirties version of Georgia Martin, I heard that there is a petition going around to have them re-shoot season eight if ever there was a time to do it. This might be it. I when I hear that I'm just thinking millions of dollars hundred million dollars on this last days and maybe three hundred for the last three they won't do it, okay chance. No chan-. No, there's no chance of that. But if there was going to be a show to reshoot it is clearly, this one, and I wish they would wait until George, you think about the money if George finished all the books, and then they went back and I wouldn't even care if they got a new cast, just reshoot from season five on. Right. Or I mean, well, I guess five six seven eight but, but to that, even if they did that, that would just discredit the producers, I think of, of saying you guys, you know, you blew it. It's almost like asking George Lucas. Hey, can we have Jj Abrams go back and do one two and three? Good. He he absolutely should to certain degree. I don't care how. Credited? They get gave up on the show to go direct stalwarts as far as I can tell. Well, that kind of worries me. I mean I don't know if. I like let me say this. I like Dan Weiss a lot. He wrote the original manuscript for halo, which was supposed to be made into the movie, and then got cancelled. And everybody says that, that manuscript was really good. You know the way I'm a fan of Spartan one one seven and it would have been an incredible journey. I think with him on it. David binney off, as I've told you I think, before, is the guy that brought us x men, origins wolverine. Yeah. He's the guy who brought us that version of deadpool. The man has no, like no credibility with me whatsoever. I read his only written book, which is called like city of thieves or something like that. It's terrible. It's just terrible. So you got to wonder how does a guy like that get the rains, I don't know something this epic in this, this lard, I don't know. I think they just went in pitched it. I think they said, we can write this. We're, we're Hollywood writers, and we can pitch, also Amanda Peet is, is they've been off wife, okay? She's easily more popular than him and more famous than sure. So me she may have had some influence on that. I'm surprised. They didn't put her in the show. Yeah. Now that you didn't even know that sickly had her as on standby. She's one of the best actresses I know of and she didn't get a role. So get it. So if I if I compare this again, I'm going back to an epic book series Tolkien, okay? Made into film, Peter Jackson, right? This is this is an individual infinitely respect to the similar to you. George R Martin's history in these books who who live? Literally new them inside. Now going back to the Soma really and understanding history of the, of the deep dive, and this is a guy who, who would say, I can take this and you can trust me with it. Yeah. Right. So I love it down appropriately. He got rid of I mean I was discouraged. I've said brought this up so many times now. But he got rid of Tom ado. I love Tom Bomba dill. He's a very, very minor character. But I think it important one in terms of the progression of the hobbits, and in terms of them accepting the role in what they're supposed to do. And, you know, cuts had to be made sat big vices had two more aid, and he made in my opinion all the appropriate ones. Yeah. He'd no, no. He he translated those books to film beautifully, and anyone an Oscar for best picture, return to the king. Yeah. Deserved it, it was amazing. So, so here's my question, which which kind of circles this common around. Were the two producers of game of thrones as vested in the books and the history as Jackson was to token or you to George Martin are these two individuals said, look, you can trust us with these, we not to do it or did they mess up because they thought they could continue on with the writing after they ran out of books. I. Have reluctant to say this a little bit. But I, I don't think so. I think that they I think they all Goldman when they when they had it they realized they had a gold mine. I don't I don't know that they've been off even read the books. I really don't. I assume he has just because he has to has probably, but I don't know how much attention he really paid. I think he kinda just skim read. I believe in wise, probably read the entire thing and probably got into some theories, and they got into some hashing out some fan theories. I mean they had to give George George Martin infant infamously said that he gave them the job when he he had him explain who is John's parents at a dinner table meeting with them, and they explained it. They got it. But then again, they could have gotten on any message board forum, right? Only internet and discovered that in twenty minutes that that's too easy of the question is, it's just too easy. Like tell me who your favorite minor character is and explain why. And give me a house that nobody knows about. And what's important, and that's the question that would have been. Right. I would ask the appropriate to say are you, are you trustworthy to take these books as the sewer Kranich men and translate it? That's right. That's just work tough questions like that. As far as I can tell. And so, I just think they realized that they had a gold mine, and then, you know, and that was it. They just said, oh, my gosh. People don't realize what this is and we've got a jump on it right now. What if we get George on the phone, and we say, hey, will make this and we option HBO. It was in the same class of shows up at the same time as Tra may and boardwalk empire and all three of those shows got, Greenland at the same time trae got made first and then boardwalk empire got made second then game of thrones afterwards. And you know. They think they thought HBO is out of content with the end of sopranos and the end of dead wood, and the end of all these other band of brothers and all that it's time for new era in television. Right. We have a golden, it's kinda like me jumping on the opportunity to have him engage to age -ment. They saw an opportunity, and they jumped on it as lightning bottle is what kind of commitment. It really was, and these fans are rabid take. It's. There's no pleasing them to a certain degree. And I think that, that war on them really quickly is that they were just tired of the criticism and tired of being second guessed all the time and, you know, people getting mad about I don't remember who the kid is the hunter, maybe you can help me out with this. The, the red haired who plays guitar acoustic? He was in episodes. I know you're. Yeah. I knew exactly Utah cheer cheer. Yeah. A lot of people, including me were really upset about that because it's not in the books that scene is not the books it was a useless cameo for you want to humanize, the Lancasters. They're not supposed to be humanized. You know, like we didn't need it, and it was just a superfluous cameo that seemed to be just about getting edgier in on the set just to drive a popularity. And we're just like, we, we don't need that, right? We are fans of this show, because it's good, not because you have Ed Sheeran. So I have to just quickly parallel that too. When I first heard that Samuel Jackson was going to be in Star Wars. Oh, yeah. I remember as Mace Windu, and I, I remember and I went and saw it, and I thought I'm not seeing, I'm seeing Sammy L Jackson. Yeah. You know and. And why did they do that? So I'm not trying to sidetrack this conversation. But you gotta wonder if it's well, we have a built in audience for this character. It might spike ratings, it might get more ticket sales into as a mentally popular even before they I mean, you had to have right high class actor to fill that role because we all know he was, you know, Jedi master. He's one of two Riley Jedi masters echelon is called. I think they didn't him. I don't know what they're called. I don't I don't know. I, I think just jet I master. I thought they quite is actually jet. I master to, and there's like the council of masters, you know, with like anyway, thank you. Right. Moving on. I think they have a special designation. Yeah. I don't remember the name of. But I I like that. They took a chance with John Boyega. And they, you know, it's like if you wanna fill a, a character, you know, let's, let's bring bring something new in and like daisy, readily asked them. Yeah. Like Jon snow did the kid Harrington John snow. Yeah. He was a stage actor before this. He was in a war horse, which is a or into some Broadway. Elbert with this new. Okay. Okay. But that was all he had done to that point was it. Alfie Allen had been a nothing. The guy that played played Robb stark Richard Madden had been voted Scotland's, best dressed, man, and had been in a couple of soap operas. I believe none of these people were famous and that's what's beautiful. About it. We have no context for any of them. Well, you know, the only one I was famous and Peter English, but, I mean, that was Sean bean. That's those are the two that brought the star, but so it's very important care with a lot of depth. And you have to have a -ccomplish actor who can play green immediate. Yeah. I agree with you hundred percent. But I think this is Hollywood. It's how they it's how they build it. It's who knows what happens behind the curtain for shows like these, but to see season eight wrap up. I think the consensus there's a lot of disappointment. I think there's a lot of avenues that they could have taken. And then we were talking earlier, that even Georgia are Martin said that he would have liked to seen seasons. Nine ten eleven possibly twelve. Is that right? Yeah. He said he said, we could have gone episodes, or seasons twelve and thirteen twelve hundred David Dan, about why we didn't do that through them on the bus ended view. And I think he's angry about it. He's just sitting here saying, look what you've done to my property when I hear. Has passed on so many people ask to be involved in this project, and he trusted them with this material? He said, I'm giving you what basically the sum, total of my life, and it is in your hands with, as you will. And they said, you know, we're really too busy to give you more seasons. I if I were George throw them under the bus, and then stomp on them does does. Huge spoiler alert coming right now, does Dinares die by John's hand in the book. Well, it's not written yet. Okay. We know we don't know if she's still she hasn't met, John yet in the books, hunters, looking at me, like I have no idea what you're talking about. But that's all right. Yeah. So disappointing hunter you see the scene another another piece. That's missing. There is a child known as a on egg on target area, who is not John snow. There is a another supposed- targe Aryan, who is alive, who is on the boat. You know, kind of getting into the weeds, here, you need to kind of go read some of this on the on the internet. But in the books, he comes he comes back to west rose as well. And he's, he's in west roasts with a guy named John Coniston another guy who's not in the in the show, and that's all going on right now in the books, and it's just very fascinating because there's so many more players in the game of thrones in the in the in the in the books that are in the show and those players matter in storyline. Right. A lot. Right. We were talking about Victorian. Great joy guy is missing cetera et cetera et cetera. There could just keep going on the list. But I, I would I've said is that this season was just done complete injustice in every in every since it's militarily nonsense acting is just not great. They should've shot some of those scenes over again the darkness we dragons getting shot at a mid air from thousand yards away when they can't see the boat. But the boats can apparently see them. Yeah, it's just. One ridiculous thing after another and. I, I said this earlier in, in Cambridge show and say here this is going to go down in history as possibly the worst the worst television ending in the history ever, even beat seinfeld's ending. I, I mean, I don't think there's even anything that compares to. I think I think you are you are right on almost every single account of what you what we've talked about. I wish I had read, I'm thinking, I'm gonna go back and re and we reach everybody read the books. Yeah, because it's so much richer, so much more, beautiful less nudity. And, and the richness of these characters comes alive. More. And what's in your magic potion, they can never take away right? Just because they wrote some nonsense ending. What's in my head and what's happening in my world is so much more vibrant and beautiful than anything they could have written or half written. So we'll pick this back up gear after I finished the series. So also, I'll start it and yeah lease. And that way, we can have some more discussion game of thrones. Louis. So guys, we're going to wrap up this episode on the review game of thrones. Thanks to Garrett, thanks to hunter. And we'll see you next time.

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Coral Courts Radio:  Sounds like The Beatles, but Ain't.

Deep Dish Radio with Tim Powers

2:03:18 hr | 2 years ago

Coral Courts Radio: Sounds like The Beatles, but Ain't.

"The coral courts radio hour presentation of the deep dish radio podcast. I own both of those. I'm Tim powers. And this is my radio show musical mix tape just for you full of songs that I like him that my friends like. And my friends, join me periodically here in the studio to play music that, that they enjoy. And sometimes shows go just like this one's going to go. Joining me in the studio today is author and dear friend. Mr. Brad Schreiber. Hi, brian. Thank you so much. It is such an honor to be in your new studio with there's actually light and you can see your hand in front of your face. Yeah. It's cool. It now isn't it? It's great. And the I mean, I shaved the walls, and it's just it's a nice studio. You had Harry walls in the studio, and you've shaved them and they look very clean things. Move to clean close shave today's episode this particular show, was inspired by by my daughter, and one of her dear friends. And consequently, someone I care a lot. What about tire star? This show is for you. Tar star is a very talented twentysomething artist in southern California who through no fault of her own is discovering, the Beatles for the first time in her mid twenties. How wonderful only my favorite group of all time, the Beatles and arguably, one of the most influential, one of the certainly something that influenced the culture more than almost anything you can think of well, when you think about groups or musical acts that created hysteria, you think about in my opinion, three people, you think about the Beatles. You think about Frank Sinatra who had those young bobby-socksers screaming right? And to some degree, you think about Elvis. And that level of hysteria is almost unparalleled and, you know, I won't enough to remember when the Beatles came to me we were talking about that. Earlier today that you are. I am not. But you are actually old enough to have seen that Sullivan show I was old enough to see the Ed Sullivan show with my parents, I was old enough to go to a movie theater in Santa Monica for the first day of hard as night. Wow. And let me tell you something. I've told other people that story and they shake their heads in wonderment when the Beatles sang the songs in hard day's night, all the kids in the audience, and it was almost one hundred percent kids. Sure screamed like it was alive show and got up on their chairs. So help me God, and then my sister, and I we go shot up, we can't hear, and then it went back to dialogue, and everybody sat down politely watched the movie, and then the next time they did a song it was like they were there and my sister. And I looked each other like these kids are insane. Why can't they be mature like us? Well, and here we are over fifty years later still discussing the impact that, you know, four working class. Dudes from. Relatively small town in England had on the entire world culture. And of course, I always throw in George Martin because for a major, a major part of their early career he was saying, well, if you wanna have have some cello Zain here? Yeah. We could do that. Or what would you think to harpsichord and he helped them experiment with sound? And then sadly they got to a point where there were so autonomous that they kind of shove, George Martin out of the way of it. And that's sad because he was very instrumental and it wasn't just the fifth Beatle, and that sort of thing he really was instrumental in the development of their experimentation with music. Yes. Equal credit to I think goes also to Brian Epstein their manager. In fact, there's a fantastic graphic novel out right now that is being made into an animated film called the fifth Beatle. I didn't know that, that sounds great, which is about Brian and his influence on. These, these scruffy kids, who just came off the boat from Hamburg. And, you know, you and I were just talking before we started recording, and before we get to the for song about the Hollywood fringe festival which happens every year Angeles in there was a play now. And now it's all this, which is a line out of John Lennon. He was interviewed his apology and his apology about saying to Maureen cleave, a British journalist. Oh, you know, big Jesus now in, in the UK people understood it was conversational and it was, you know metaphor. But when that story was published in a magazine in the US, the American South went crazy in there was, as, you know, burnings of beetle memorabilia, and records, and there were, there was little, this is not an exaggeration. There were literally death threats. There were Klan marches Hora before shows in Memphis in Atlanta. And that's just that's insane. There's all kinds of footage on YouTube newsreel footage or or. News footage of wrongheaded hillbillies, although you know, to be honest, journalist has to point out that there were a couple of northern cities where there was this backlash. This religious, America's never been really great about separation of church and state and week. We'd not gonna go into that now. But I'm sure you understand what I mean, which Chicago was a town where there were protests against the Beatles. Although mostly it was the deep south admittedly. Yeah, it really was. So what we wanted to do for my friend. Tara is go beyond the hundred sixty. So Beatles tracks that you get on the traditional release albums, and what we wanted to do was help, maybe provide a little of a little bit of a map down the, the Beatles rabbit hole. Because once you start discovering, the Beatles, you find out how much they influenced everyone else, and you go from this band that band of that band of that band of that Ben in that man. And it's really interesting how that works. And so. Brandon I have come to the studio each with five cuts that sound Beatty. But are not Beatles songs or in in. If they are related. It's in a very tension away. Yeah. And some of them they have that sound of the early Beatles. Some have a psychedelic periods sergeant pepper sound. I picked out a song that feels kind of Representative of Lenin as he's moving away from the Beatles and doing working class. Hero stuff, right? Some of it is lyrics influenced by them. So it relates to the Beatles. Lease my choices, my five choices relate to them in ways that are different and also have two different periods early. And then later, see, I think it goes a little, I think goes even deeper than that. I think there's, there's three distinct periods. There's the Beatle mania mopped up phase. Right. Which kind of ends right about the last frame of help, and then there's the rubber soul. Revolver era where their songwriting is tangential, getting more interesting. It's and it, yes. Very complex. Very interesting production is, you know. They're thematically their production. Everything seems to be changing in that period. And it would be, I think unfair to say, oh, well, you know, they're getting into LSD, and that's the reason. No, they're writing truly great love songs that are nothing like love me do right on on rubber soul and Beatles, sixty five and, and for you Americans Beatles, sixty five. Yeah. Yeah. But you blokes out there. From livable leap, who'll, it's, it's a long story about how the American releases in the British releases are different and how those little scavengers found a way to carve albums, carved three albums out of two. Yeah. So that they could get the sales of a second album, but they had all these groups that also, you know, the British invasion is the term, right. And a lot of those groups were from London, but a lot of those groups are, you know, from Liverpool and Manchester, or Manchester, and it was fascinating because they sort of appreciated rhythm and blues, and the black musical artists before American teenagers did, and they came out here. And but then, you know my first choices is a group that actually liked the Beatles had a hard day's night, kind of movie if you recall Jerry, the pacemakers, if at a movie called ferry cross the Mersey hip, Mersey river and it. Felt very much like they had taken the same crow and the same screenwriter and shot. Richard Lester in and said, okay, you know, his vision of, you know, holidays night, there were a few of those, there was having a wild weekend with the Dave Clark five. Right. And I know there's another one that I'm trying to think Herman's hermits made movies of varying quality, and that was part of that hysteria. What the Beatles, of course, had the biggest influence. But there was it was like a comet and the tail end of the come it was Herman's hermits and as we're going to hear Gerry and the pacemakers I chose something called Wia wa. Yeah, tell me about that choice. Will you, it's bouncy? It's early. Beatles joyous. Nece. There's even a scream kind of not a full throated screen, but kind of, we're having fun kind of scream that reminds me of early Beatles. When we give it a listen. Then we'll talk about. Yeah. It's Wia y by Jerry in the pacemakers. Me. Blow, you made me side who? Oh. Ladas bizzare leading about you. Field. You gave him child to. You. Media sane. Millions and you know. Oh. About that screen men, it captures everything that you want in a in a early Beatles record, one of the things that I noticed Brad is that separates this from period? Beatles tracks is this is in stereo man. That's right. And there's that the first four British Beatles albums were released exclusively in mono and, and remastered. For stereo varying arguably arguable quality, this was, obviously originally mixed in stereo, and that piano in the left channel is just Rockin man. Yeah. Now, that is different. Of course, from the instrumentation of the early Beatles albums. They didn't really have that kind of honky tonk sound, but for me, not only the little funds scream, and, you know, we all think about the beetle shaking their heads and their little mopped up. Good. Also, Little Richard scream. Yeah. Yeah will little Little Richard sometimes really got into it. And of course, the Beatles were influenced. As we said, by our and be and specially Little Richard. But also, there's that rhythmic quality of the stars and I was listening to it here in the studio and was thinking one after nine oh nine. Yeah. About the rhythm of that, and the bounciness of it, which is a track that came out on on, on let it be, but was a warm up song. The used all the way back in the Hamburg days, fifties and early sixties. Yeah. When they were doing there, Malcolm, glad will ten thousand hours in Germany and becoming incredibly tight if you subscribe to his theory that you, you become a master, or, you know, it'd be sexually appropriate. Mistress of your craft. Yeah, you need to put in ten thousand hours or so before you really are in control. And you know what was it like seven eight shows and night, when they're in Hamburg, before they really come back. And, and Epstein is really pushing them in London. And that's why they came back and they were as tight inner personally, as they were musically. Right now. They, they could rip off of each other all four of them could rip off each other musically, like a well trained in prevented improvisational tree, and one after nine oh nine was one of those early songs as you say that they didn't Germany Jerry in the pacemakers interesting group didn't have the volume the body of work that other British invasion, bands had and maybe a handful of hits and fact a lot of their hits were more ballot. You know, very Christ's mercy, and don't let the sun catch, you crying were a little more balloting, and they had strings in them, which goes back to George Martin, we're talking about okay for Wia. We're talking nineteen sixty five Tim. Okay. So a lot of the British invasion bands weren't dealing with strings in punctuation. 's that George Martin brought into the Beatles in actually during the pacemakers did play around with a string arrangements in some of these early ballots owns. And by the way, if you are a fan of slightly tangential, if you're a fan of. Ferry cross the Mersey. Yeah. There is astoundingly beautiful version coup stick guitar by Pat Metheny that you must. Yeah. It is. It is. Absolutely gorgeous. All right. We'll we'll look for that. And maybe we'll play it on a future episode if we do Beatles jazz covers, or what have you. But we'll what do you got a beer sleep? Well, I wanted I wanted to circle back to Gerry and the pacemakers 'cause there's an interesting story that I heard Howard Kaelin tell one time Howard Ceylan, legendary frontman or co frontman of the American band, the turtles who you know as, as a as a rock and roll band in the in the sixties when you could swing a cat, and hit six different bands. Right. One of the ways that the starving turtles who at the time were called the cross-fires would go to bars and scam free food, and drink is he said at the time everybody knew who the Beatles were, and what they look like. And then he affected a fake British accents know who Jedi the. Pacemakers was, so we'd go into a bar day fab gay, we are coming in, and all the girls would go crazy. And we'd play fatty across the Mersey that liked tea and Bickies. Whether they were capital, although, you know, Kaylynn involvement, as we've said before, on other coral court shows amazing duo their voices blended so wonderfully. Well in some of the songs that I've chosen today have that magnificent harmonic blend like the Beatles exhibited. Well there, no question that, that there was a an influence on the turtles. But that's not why we're here talking about today. Let's, let's see what else you got hidden in the coral courts master course, when you are talking about groups that sound like the Beatles. There are two groups that immediately come to mind, who at the time were rumored to have been the Beatles under different names. Really one is a German group called tau or Klatt to, and the other, of course, was a beetle discovery. Also on apple records, bad finger. Oh, yes. And bad finger, of course when screaming. To the top of the charts with their Todd Rundgren produced hit which I will play right now. No matter what. What? What to? See. No matter. The coral courts radio hour we're looking at music that sounds like the Beatles. But isn't the Beatles? Bad finger nineteen sixty eight or nine one of my top five favorite albums of all time, straight up love that record so much. I mean every cut on it is just solid gold. And that, of course was hit no matter what, which sounds very easily. And I think it comes from a couple of places one is that heavy two and four percussion. And the fact that the drummer is just lay in right on that crash, cymbal, you know, if you listen to, to if you listen to the first two Beatles, albums, Ringo does nails that crash cymbal all the way throughout just shish throughout everything, which gives it, this nice nice treble throughout. But the, the drummer on this just lays on it. And then the other is those astounding backup harmonies. Yeah. You, you know, you read my mind on the back of vocals, especially when knocked down the old gray wall, when you get to the second chorus and you listen to them on the headphones that Tim, and I are wearing it's, it's actually my favorite moment in the song. And it's got that beetle harmony, but it's, it's got a power. There's almost a siren type sound. Of their voices together. When they do that background vocal stuff, and it's just wonderful and always inventive. It keeps changing even though it's power pop. You know, hand claps and little breaks in sound. And, you know, the guitar quality is kind of funny. It's almost like, you know, like country slide guitar in the middle of rock. It's just it's so unpredictable for pop song. And it does have that, that beetle joyous nece I always say the same thing because to me, early Beatles was about feeling joyous and free and fun. And even if it was a simple love song. There was this enthusiasm and that was part of the Beatle mania. Well, absolutely. And certainly part of the part of the appeal was the it was fun. You know, it gave you an excuse to, to just cut loose. Yeah. Much like the Elvis fans had when you know, when those hip started shaking when I love about the harmonies. On this, which is ref referential to John and George and Paul. Is it sets in apart from other harmony groups, you know, it's not the traditional four freshmen harmonies that you get on a beach boys record? Right. It's it's a little sloppier and it but it still works. Right. It is. It's not as well structured. It's not as scientific as the as a beach boys harmony, right? But it's technically really solid. Yeah, it just sounds different. You know, and, and we're gonna we're gonna come to a group in a little bit where those harmonies are. Familial. It's, it's a family group, and we'll get we'll get to them in a bit. But I just I love I love bad finger. I love a lot of their stuff. And if I have created a bad finger fan or if you are a bad finger fan, and you're listening right now coming soon to a musical venue, near you, in the United States of America is a fiftieth anniversary white album tour. Really? Yes. And the, the Beatles tribute, man rain is the backup group fronting everything is the producer of that last song, Todd Rundgren, who will make an appearance later in the show. Great Micky Dolenz from the Monkees, Christopher cross of all people, one of the guys from Chicago, and Joey Mon from bad finger, and they're going to do start to finish, right? From the screech of the airplanes in back of the US are to the final, violin strings of good night. Oh, that's wonderful white album, start to finish. Well, you know. It's funny, too because again, when we were talking before we started recording, I said in looking for the Beatles songs. I found all these songs that sounded like Todd Rundgren that weren't odd Rundgren. Yeah. And so, when you think about Todd Rundgren producing vad finger. And then you remember that he did some tribute songs, and he did a really wonderful version of rain. So he didn't album that was all covers of other tributes to other people stop. And you know, that's a whole other discussion. But when people actually do a cover, and they don't go in really divergent path, but they really capture something of the original, that's the way I felt about Todd's version of rain. It was really quite wonderful and lethargic and Spacey like, you know, like Lennon's voices in that song. So, you know, he has some well he's not only in amazing talent. But he has a special connection to what the Beatles were. No question. And he's played. He's been part of Ringo's all star band. Yeah. Many, many times over and, you know, he's been connected with the van, there's go back and look and Google the open letters between Todd and John Lennon in nineteen seventy four where they argue back and forth. Nice through Rolling Stone magazine about about very about each other's releases. And how, you know, Todd is contrite, but also owning himself coming into his own as a as a producer and a solo artist standing up against John Winston Ono effing Lenin. Wasn't no-no, the yet it's going to be right. And they were. They were going back and forth publicly. It was it was an interesting feud to see these two who clearly admired each other's work. Yeah. But just had to fine-tune each other and show off, who was who was a little more dominant. And that's one of the fascination things about, well, the post Beatle mania, the poster early ears is by the time they got to sergeant pepper. You know, they were in the competition with the beach, boys. Yep. And Brian Wilson's amazing production capabilities and the way he heard sound, but a lot of bands we're going oh my God. This is the, the premium this is the gold standard for pop music. How do we even get close to what these guys are doing? And I think it's the best tribute that they didn't actually try and just do covers of Beatles songs. They said, what is it about their experimentation? What is it about what Martin's bringing in? What is it about how they're growing is? Yeah. Maybe we can do as well on the heels of sergeant. Are a lot of well intentioned, and sometimes well executed, but not always well executed on Sept albums. Yeah. Odyssey an oracle comes to mind or the turtles present the battle of the bands, you know, which which were influenced by sergeant pepper and one of them was recorded in the same damn room on some of the same instruments as as sergeant pepper. Not all of them. Are that good? You know, but still something to, to slide down the rabbit hole. The first two bands that we have played today. We're both British fans finger and and, and Gerry and the pacemakers are next band is not English at all. Godiva alsi might also. Yes. And arguably, one of the most visible Austrian exports outside of fosters and vegemite, will, I'm going to just 'cause all kinds of ir here, but I'm literally going to tell you that I've chosen the one song I like from a group. Otherwise have board. I was so hoping you would say that, yes, you you're now free to slam the BG's as much as I just did. I have horrifying memories of living in San Francisco in a roommate playing staying alive over and over until I was ready to scream. Not a big fan of the disco era. And yet, the Beatles impact on popular music was so great that they wrote one song that I find emotionally moving, and perhaps not, you know. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Love me do Beatles. But maybe more in that rubber sole feel, you know, or later, you know, she's leaving home, the sense of melancholy right in a song that the cold New York, money, disaster, nineteen forty one and. Something happening. Cindy. There is something would like you all to see. It's just. That's I. Have you see? This joe. To you. This. I. The sound. Maybes is digging. Given. Those on safe systems must be. Jones. Something. That is something I like to see. It's just the phone. Them on that. That is. Do you. With the catchy catchy title of the New York mining disaster. Nineteen forty one. Can you imagine being the poor ANR guy who had to pedal that to, to sixties top forty radio stations? Go. Yeah. It's about a mining disaster. Right. You know, it really is though, there was one in nineteen thirty nine I did a little bit of research, but according to deeper research, there had been a Welsh mining disaster that affected the boys from Australia. Now here's the fun thing. So, you know, Tim says, okay, pick five songs that are reminiscent of the Beatles. And I thought of the BG's, and then I did some more research, it wasn't the other way around. I'm going to do research, and then have it spurred the idea, this is amazing to me, MAURICE, Gabe net, George Harrison and George Harrison had heard New York mining disaster. Okay. This is nineteen sixty. Seven this song came out, by the way, and Harrison said, you know, I really liked that song in, you know in some ways, it feels like almost a Beatles song. Murray's, Gabe thought that Harrison was objecting and saying, hey, why are you copying us right? And he got apologetic and said, no, you, you guys have inspired us. And so many other groups that we felt we wanted to try and get the feel of one of your soul because we don't normally do that. Right. And Harrison said, I know I get it, and we appreciate it. And I thought that was just a beautiful little story about them meeting in and instead of, hey man, this is our territory. It was, you know, Harrison saying, we know that we've had an impact, and we really appreciate the fact that you give not to us. That's really cool because George can run hot or cold, you know, depending on how you catch him. He's not always receptive to things like that. And this also I just wanna throw in here, it reminds me of song that you and I played on coral courts before. By Phil Collins, remember we played the roof is leaking. Yeah. Gay that whole West Virginia mining subculture poverty generational depression in poverty. This song has a, a similar feel to it. It really does. And those getting back to the harmonies, right. The, the BG's were three brothers, Barry MAURICE, and Robin Gibb, and they're all of their speaking voices are similar. Consequently, their singing voices are similar. And so you get a different tonality with family harmonies. And that's why that's why bands like the BG's and the beach boys. Have that the kind of harmony that they do. And it's very, very obvious here. Yeah. That's a good point. Really? Because the they've been, you know, like the beach boys. They were inquirer together, you know, when they're going up and wherever it was Torrance, or Hawthorn or you don't. They spent time singing together before they formed their band. Absolutely. So they had that kind of mind, meld, or vocal mine mill. Thanks, mary. Thanks, Mary wells. Yeah. And, you know, the Beatty's I don't know whether they deserve the bad rap, they get, especially among Beatles fans. If you are a new Beatles fan, I strongly encourage you to avoid as much as you can be nineteen seventy eight feature films sergeant Pepper's lonely hearts, club band on because it will break your heart there are. It's cute. There are some nice little Omar shes, there's honorary Beatles in it. Billy Preston is in it, and watching Steve Martin, sing Maxwell, silver. Hammer is kinda is cute, but well, it's like watching Tommy, and seeing an Margaret roll around and baked beans. Well, you know, if you're into that kind of thing, but. And Margaret's pretty hot looking if you're a heterosexual male, but all that aside, it's not the Tommy that you listen to when you fell in love with who. So you, you have certain ideas, when you hear abandoned if they make a film adaptation, you know, it's, it's bizarre. You know, Elton John wearing gigantic shoes. Seeing pinball wizards, not what you had mine, most likely that is very true. And you will. There's so much in, in Tommy, the watching Jack Nicholson sing that's, that's particularly difficult. And while but Bee Gees, I again I I can't I have to give them props because I would have hated everything there cannon, if they had not done, New York mining disaster. Nineteen forty one have you end Peron? Have you seen my wife, Mr. Jones that is the that's the single that everyone points to, to absolve the BG's from essentially inventing disco, which they didn't do, but they get the rap for it because they were the most visible disco band. And if Bob Dylan had done this song, it would have been subtitled, something's happening my wife and you don't know what it is. Do you Mr.? Teeth cut. But anyway, you know the disco boys did good with that. And it's very be less. It is very be less mealy, if you're empowers his well, I can say beat Lee, and I have and I'm going to do it again because the next cut that we're about to play is from Eric Carmen, and the raspberries, this really, really Beatles song. I was thinking about Eric Forman by the way, so I'm not surprised that you chose. I think it's very logical air Carmen and I have a little bit of a history because I was early in my radio career when the dirty dancing soundtrack was very popular in at Carmen. Who had torn it up as a member of the raspberries and done great hits like go all the way which is not what I'm about to play. But it's a fantastic song and just had wonderful rock and roll records. Have these cheesy cheesy ballots dirty dancing soundtrack that I had two to three times an hour. Oh, poor guy, but this here. This is a song called, nobody knows. And it's by the raspberries, and it is, as Brad will make fun of me for saying speedily courts radio. Well this one. Now the central. On. Of mental. In my plays in. I used to be. Judy. See some. Of. Issue hold. Wants me. Now. It's the raspberries on the coral courts radio hour with Eric Carmen doing double duty on the vocals. If you listen very carefully during the verses he holds his mouth, and he sings kinda like, John and then during the chorus and the middle eight he does his poll, you know, and go back and listen to it again because you'll hear you'll hear certain phraseology that, that Paul uses in his pronunciation, or in the way that he carries a tune, and you can tell the difference. But if you if you were passively listening sounds like Paul McCartney record, you know, it does. But, you know, it also sounds to me like other British invasion acts like the opening of this song, Eric Carmen to meet sounded almost exactly like Gerry and the pacemakers and I'm not saying that because we just played it a little while ago. And then I listened to the rest of the song, and I'm hearing I go to pieces. Oh, yeah. It's got that same rhythm. Mcfeely and some of the strumming and then to his great credit in raspberries, great credit. It goes on to evolve beyond that. Yeah. It's, it's a well produced a little record. So that's kind of weird. It's kind of a brain deserve, you think about Tim, because it's they're being influenced by other groups that were influenced by the Beatles. Well, and that's why we are on multi. It's almost multigenerational. It's appear amid of influence, so to speak with the Beatles of the top with the Beatles of top, and then an inverted pyramid above that with Little Richard and Chuck Berry, Elvis in the weather's above that, which is a whole other whole other show. This song, kind of reminded me of the third act of a hard day's night, when they're in the TV studio, right? And they're goofing on each other and instead imagine instead of playing if I fell. Yeah, they did this. Right. You know it fit. Right in there, and it would sound like it would fit there. Yeah. And you don't the, the background of the studio. If you remember the movie is they have images of Beatles insects behind. Them. Yeah. I mean that's helped pervasive. Their influence was, they're making a movie making fun of the hysteria. That is Beatle mania. And at the same time, they're saying, look, here's what society would do not just girl chasing us. But if we're on a TV show, here's more reference to the Beatles. This is how powerful we are in as I said, you know, other than Frank Sinatra and Elvis. And I suppose Michael Jackson, they're very few musical, artists that have this incredible sway over society. Whether you like their music or not, they're just part of the conversation and create a certain hysteria, not only while they're live. But when they pass it's interesting. I, I mean, I love the raspberries as as power pop band. You know, and they're and they're Beal's influences real clear in, in this track. And in their hit go all the way. But that just sounded so. Beatle mania. Yeah. That, that I just had to play it making its first appearance in six on the coral courts radio right now. I believe is our first American band. Yes. And we're moving ahead in time to nineteen sixty eight so this is post sergeant pepper. Now we've already knowledged that a lot of people did psychedelic songs, and we're influenced not only by that whole movement, but, especially by with the Beatles. Martin did with sergeant pepper. Here's a ban that was considered their own kind of world in terms of, of folk and folk rock. The volved. They were all about poetry. There were great songwriters, not only turns of music, especially the words in that Simon and Garfunkel now you wouldn't think of Simon and Garfunkel, as being influenced in any way, by the Beatles. And I didn't think of them at all. But when I was going through the library at home, too, I came across fake in it, and I remembered, oh, there's a British female voice dropped into the middle of this. There are changes in mood and tone that it's it becomes melancholy. And then it's bouncy. Like, you know, one it's, it's like they're merging, one of their darker songs with one of their happier songs and doing it in a Beatles mode. That's what faking it felt like to me. Let's give it a listen. When she goes, she's gone. She stays. What she wants to. She knows what she wants to. Taking it. Do the. And the world. Wiz. Ten. Enough. Is there? Just. Tickets. Shake. To this. Shoe? Look at. I owned the face in. Big. If. Shake. The Paul Simon had written the penny lane stronger. Sky is good. That's why it's show. I had penny lane. I said to myself, it's got that wonderful wistful feel of. Yeah. You know, and, and the other thing is while it's not sonically like this Beatles song. It has a kind of a feel in terms of what the lyrics are like with fool on the hill. Itself facing faking it. I'm not really making it. So it's kind of poking fun at itself, and other people and taking, you know, the ego down a step or two which which some of the Beatles songs, did so wonder right if you go back to the concept behind strawberry fields which this cut, which faking, it echoes at the end with that drone apps, and the floor TOMS and the drone opens it opens in crisis on and penny lane. The concept was the Beatles wanted to do an album about their childhood. And consequently, a lot of songs about Liverpool. And how tough it is. You know, getting by Liverpool in the small town, feel and everything Paul Simon about his New York as you're gonna get. Yeah. Right. So, of course, he feels like he's faking it because that's how you survive, you know, growing up in, in whatever borough of New York, he grew up in and it's. They're so Vakhidov of each other and very dreamy. And, and, and then there's absolutely no doubt that he's influenced by the Beatles because the voice that he drops in isn't an American boys. Have you had a busy day? You know, I it's just it's kind of lovely and there are lots of changes in it, which are reminiscent of some of the better Beatles songs that think it's going, you think is going in one direction and then sonically goes somewhere else. It has very much feel of dollars to donuts that, that Simon likes so many people were really impressed by sergeant pepper the variety of music. You may not have liked every song on it. But I you know, I can guarantee that penny lane and strawberry fields had an impact on Simon and is soon Garfunkel, as well, of course, now, I, I don't know the answer to this question, Brandon, and maybe you do, but that British voice trapped in the middle references Mr. Leach. And I wonder if that's a very sly nod to fellow Bella door. Chubu. Dear Donovan whose last name was was Leach. Yes. He was. L. E I. T C H. I believe. That's correct. But don't forget. There is a movie star who is also Leach. Archie Leach Cary Grant. So I, I have no idea. They don't either. But but it has. That's why you know, he's not the fifty ninth street bridge song. This is not a reference to America or New York, this, this really has, you know, in that little almost like sea chantey Diddy. You know, when you have the voice in the middle of it just has a very European feel to it and, and I- door. I mean I love their antiwar stuff. I love their early folk stuff. I even love when when Paul Simon gets cranky about society in the tax. You know, Dylan in a simple, Dessel, Tori, philippic, most people. I don't know that song. Been John O'Hara McNamara. You know, Rolling Stone in beat up till I'm blind that song where he's doing a real fast Dylan esque grab where he just attacks Dylan in a so many people in pop culture. So it's not like Paul Simon do not to anybody in the music industry. And if this isn't a nod to the Beatles in, I don't know what is, it's an an a beautiful record. I am not a big Simon and Garfunkel fan. All right. But I still love you. I and I still have you too. And I still love all the Paul Simon fans that that are dear friends of mine. Dan, Corey for another big Paul Simon fan. You don't like the boxer, for example, a late later, very sonically rich and. Being or you don't like the simple poetry stuff. It's, it's not my first choice. It's not where I'm going to go, if, if it comes on, I'm not gonna punch it out. Well, that's nice. I mean I'm not gonna punch it out on the radio. You know, if I'm driving on the road, and it comes on, I may or may not great. You're not gonna square into another call. I'm not gonna swerve in oncoming traffic because yeah they're not four G foreigner of blue morning, blue mornings, a great song mornings at great song. But then the fourth album came out, and then all went the hell that's a whole other show. Well, you know, it's back to the BG's, I hate, their entire canon except New York mining disaster. Nineteen forty one well, you know, I, I have a very dear friend who is an incredibly talented musician, and I quote him many, many times saying this, that there's something good in every record. You know, a two minute Fabian song has something in it that you can pull out of it and enjoy. I, I might go so far as to say that on every album. There's one good cut, although I have to say I've heard plenty of song, Greg. There's nothing redeeming in this for me. But hey that's what makes horse racing. You know, we're all critics. Crit. Let's transition critics to satire and when I'm about to play is, is an outright spoof of the Beatles. Yeah. We haven't had that yet. No. This is. Monty, python esque spoof of, of the Beatles. I'm of course, referring to a great film that, that Eric idle and Lorne Michaels made called the ruttles. They'll rot ole the rentals, which is a pound for pound note, for note spoof of, Beatles history all the way from Hamburg, to the to the break-up, and the music Britain by Neil Innes of the monzo, Duda band and sensibly the sixth python. Yes, he wrote a lot of songs with Eric. Yeah. And there are the rental soundtrack album, the movies about an hour long but it's, it's quite wonderful. And rumor has it that all four Beatles enjoyed it. They loved it John and Yoko thought was whole Larry issue, and they do the, the music video that is reminiscent of the Beatles within the ruttles film. Right, just delightful. So they do you know there are clips of SP. Goofing the rump scenes in hard, day's night, or you know instead of skiing in help there on a beach in Bermuda being chased by a hula dancer, whatever and in the song that I'm about to play from the ruttles film and album of the same name yellow submarine sandwich. They, they actually hired some of the same animators who worked on the yellow submarine. To do the segment for this song on the coral courts radio, our making their first appearance on the coral courts radio hour, it's the Reynolds cheese and onion. Insane and yet accurate. Oh, it's so beautiful and. Ola thing about the thing that I love about the rental soundtrack album is each cut stands on its own. Yeah. As a as a as a good song, you know, they're clearly, clearly beetle ripoffs. What have you ever heard a wine ear and more amusing, John Lennon voice in parody than, than the one on that rattles cut. It's just it sounds like he's got a coal his goal, right? Toys headache his visor giving. It's really a MU and the, the pseudo intellectual just throwing out lyrics piano is very much like, what Lennon did on, you know, I'm hearing mind games by Lenin. And then the, the gla Sandro you know with the strings and. Instead of whatever it is nine seconds. You know, the nineteenth second acord. Yeah. Yeah. You get. Tim, what year this song came out? But it this this to the Beatles. And, you know, is so accurate to each period of, you know, like early Beatles mop top thing. And then this thing has got echoes psychedelia. But it's also got, you know, the Lenin sort of pulling away from the band doing his solo thing. It's really phenomenal. And they're, they're it's mazing that all the Beatles like this. And you know why? Because I believe that they have a song that is called instead of all you need is love. It's called. All you need is cash. That was the title of the film only need cash. And you would think the bills go. Oh, really you think you, you know, but they all did love it. I remember reading that. And it's an amazing trip, you can get away with a lot when you're a comedian you can, and it helps that, that you're friendly with the Beatles. George Harrison is quoted as saying. That he feels that the spirit the improvisational freewheeling kind of fun spirit that no longer existed after the Beatles broke up when into the pythons. Yeah. And there are there similarities in, in tone, if not in talent between the two and there was a fiduciary relationship between George Harrison's, film company, and working with obviously python. So he clearly love what they were doing even before this project. There's there's Beatles python connections all the way through. But this is this is this is where the where it gets really Noddy and Cayenne, OTT y and the. And then you HD wise. Yes. If you get a chance to check out the, the first there are two films. There's a there's a sequel to the original ruttles film, which is not nearly as good as as the first one in the first one was produced by Lorne Michaels. It's got members of the python crew and Mick Jagger is in Paul Simon's in it really the original not ready for primetime players. So Belushi, and Aykroyd and, and Al Franken and Tom Davis are in it Gildas in it while what a line of. Yeah. And there's Paul Simon. And there's truly an Admira the although he's he's like Dylan. I can't say who I like because then I would be, you know, not be in the pantheon of great musical. I have to be my own person. You see this a lot in, in big stars where they, they don't want to quote the people that they admire because fallaciously, they think that it's going to bring them down a pay, but, you know, one of the people, I was thinking about was Harry Nilsson and Harry to, and you remember the Beatles. Did a press conference and they will. Who do you like? Well, you know, we liked this guy, Harry Nilsson. They didn't mention a bunch of people, but they didn't go on. You know, there's nobody where, you know, we're, we're own entity and we're not influenced by money. They, they actually knowledged somebody, and people were stunned because a lot of people didn't know, Nelson's work, and, but they should and Nelson's cover of you can't do that, that mixes inserting three other Beatles cuts almost made it to this. And it was jot as on the nose. Yeah, but, but truly and he had an everybody knows that Nelson had an Djelic voice that the bills and he admired each other. We know about the lost weekend, quote unquote with Lennon, and Nilsson and wearing tampons on their head Hollywood clubs and getting into trouble. And, you know, here go sleep with may Pang says Ono and we know all that crazy stuff. Right. But at the end of the day, Nilsson's beautiful in Djelic voice, and his songwriting, where something that clearly linen in the Beatles admired, and rightly so. And if you really wanna dig. Deep deep deep deep deep into your Beatle solo work. Checkout pussycats the album with, with both John and Harry. Yeah, yeah. It's, it's an interesting. Listen, you know, not neither of them. It's is, is do does anyone think it's their finest work. Yeah. But it's it it's worthless. It's worth the spend for Chanel. I didn't choose any cover songs, literally, you know, people doing because we've talked about that before. Right. I think that's a show unto itself. Yeah, it is. And so many people have covered them. But, you know, I took you at your word. You said groups that are influenced by the Beatles. And in some way, they're sonically or lyrically, or you know, maybe one of the singer sounds like harmonies a represented. Yeah. So that's, that's what I chose great. So let's, let's get to the next cut. Yeah. Well, the next cut is, is going to be something that jumps in time, because faking it by Simon and Garfunkel was nineteen sixty eight right. Okay. So now we're going to an artist who's already been on coral courts. But this is a different cut by him. And I think it's even more Representative of the Beatles than the previous one. It's Andrew gold instant extremely rare in hard to find album called greetings from greetings from planet love. Yeah. And he not only references a lot of the Beatles. But he doesn't meeting tributes to the beach, boys. I'm just astounded by by how reminiscent and close some of those references are. But this one is called wink of the third is got a lot of funny goofy over the top psychedelia references and you're going to hear some, some moments in production as well as vocal quality that sound very Balasko law. During. Deep down. It was. Yes, it's a slightly abrupt into it is, it's very, very cold. If you. The, the disc jockey, EMMY the radio Jackie me hates getting caught on a cold ending. It wasn't paying attention to the all right. I don't think Andrew goal got played an awful lot on FM and, you know, I know I turned you onto this, you didn't know of it. And no, I didn't when we did the coral courts and I played that song that we talked about it. Yeah, I explained to you in very briefly to remind those who were are those who didn't know in the first place is that an ex girlfriend of Andrew gold's is a good friend of mine, and I discovered this album and I said, man, Andrew did some amazing production work in the tributes to the Beatles and the beach boys. And she on, you know greetings from planet. Love went greetings from planet love. I said, didn't you go out with aunt? Yes, I went out with Andrew for a few years. I say you didn't know about this project. She didn't. She hadn't even heard it while and it and it blew her mind. And, you know, just as the rentals did a great whiny. Funny version. There's something really beautiful and accurate about that opening John Lennon kind of voice, it starts with John and it ends with Paul right. And it's got the goofy a-. Is that a take? I don't know. You know, you know, when you hear the Beatles on, on some of these tracks where goofing around in the studio before they open. Yeah. You know what I think about tax man, you know, they're just logging? Three and then making noise and, and goofing around and then boom, they snap into it, right? Or as you as you go down the rabbit hole, and you find. Imported Beatles albums more, the, the Beatles anthology set that came out in the nineties, where you get that studio chatter. And you and you listen to them kind of warming up with each other, and the and the playful banter, sometimes the not so playful banter. Yeah. And every once in a while it winds up on the cut. I mean, think of hey bulldog. Yeah, if you go to the mall, right there. Google quiet. Quiet, quiet. Ragged. Yes, ragged. It's not well, orchestrated, and that's part of the joy of it. And and you know I love that. Riff inhalable dog. So to me, it's not like, oh, you guys shouldn't have released that because you're goofing around units. No, the whole song is supposed to be that ragged and fun. And, you know, I think Andrew gold gets that very much with the wink of the yeah, the very, very psychedelic very kind of, you know, Beatles freak out. Yes, but also dreamy and again I keep. Saying this, but I have to because I think it's accurate. It's also what Lenin does just after the Beatles break up, when he's, he's finding his own voice separate from the Beatles. And, you know, number nine dream is yet this has got a feel of that, you know, with the electric piano in the dreaming, and then, of course, goof off into the fun stuff. But in some ways, again, they're bridging both Beatles and lend solo. And then as you noted, you know, the feel Paul in the song, and I think, to do all those things in one Beatle ish beat Alaska song. Really? Yeah. Yes. Is really in three minutes. It's crazy Harry impressive every man, and it's such a fun record to listen to headphones because there's so much going on in the space around your ears. Right. You know, the, the, the, the those I don't want to call them conga drums. But the, the higher registered drums that go from left to right. Is is just it's a fun. Little stu. Jio trick, you know. Yeah, yeah. This is the kind of song that you feel high. When you listen to it on headphones. Whether you're hiring, whether you're higher not, you know. Yeah. Oh, gee, I can save money on medical marijuana. If I just listen to this, I can. Use. I listen to this in the car. Yeah, yeah, let's head back to early Beatles, there is there's one, there's a one hit wonder from from the early Beatle air American band called the knickerbockers. So yes, they were the house band on TV show. And so it was their job to cover the hits of the day. You know. And they put out an album where this was the hit and then, none of the other songs on the album came even close. Do how good this early Beatles rave up of a kick ass rock and roll song. I totally broke my heart because I fell in love with this song, so deeply when I first heard it, so let's play it. And then let's unwrap it. It's the it's the knickerbockers on the coral courts rating. Jeez. Jeez. And. Two. Jamu able, what did you say? Two. That you'll so just. Jamba as you say. Said. Sure. Sounds Beata lied to me dedicated to all the politicians in Washington. That was lies by the Knickerbocker, you know, I would not be at all surprised if that record was recorded using Rickenbacker guitars, and vox, amps, and living, drums, and Hoffner bass, and you know what else about your choice of lies, is they've got another beat Lee screen in there. You know, that joy that, that I just let loose I have to. It's not even it doesn't feel calculated. That's the thing about screams in rock and roll. If it if it feels like we're got we got a punctuate this song right now, with something vocal as that is not lyric, but just something verbal like a scream or a yowl. You know, it's got a sound like it's spontaneous or doesn't work. And that's the thing about the joyous nece and the Beatles when they screamed in went on she loves you or wherever else, there was a scream obviously later on. They had more intense screams. Yeah. You know. Like opening revolution. Of course. Right. It's still felt even though you knew the planned. It, it, it felt from the guts. You know, you felt that there couldn't have been held in by the performers and tribute to the knickerbockers honoring the Beatles at the at their core at the core of the musical output of the four Beatles, is some just dirty gritty kick ass, rock and roll. And it frustrates me with as I look at the body of work afterwards, especially with Paul, and I love and respect Paul's solo efforts. But so much of it is not as rock and roll, as I know he could be there like back to the F and run devil run, which are just down and dirty sweet rock and roll records. And I'm like, okay, that's the seventeen year old kid from Hamburg that I wanna hear. And then there's let him in. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, but then sometimes there's charming goofy offbeat songs like Admiral Halsey and, and yeah, it's the kind of song where, you know, you're may be a grandparent and you're playing the song for grandchild. And the kid is singing along to a happy little song. I personally think that McCartney's first solo album with cherries on it, and all that when he basically had a mind meltdown win off to a farm in Scotland. Yeah, I find that that's the best post, meet the post Beatles music that moves me the most from Paul McCartney is when he just went, you know, I don't know. I don't know what the future is going to be, I've just got a figure it out and, and woodshed for while and be alone and write a number of different songs, and those songs really move me. But, you know, that said as much as I love the political quality of Lennon's work after the Beatles, and there was a period there where I thought there was some fluff and then the incredible. There's so many tragedies in Lenin being taken from us. Yeah. But of course, you know, one of the major tragedies is double fantasy was a tremendous comeback, so artistically, which just kind of enshrined in a special way, he didn't come back with an album. That was like, so, so, and then there's this terrible shooting. No, he came back with them mazing with, with a hit single that just grabbed you by the collar, you know, starting over was, was like, yeah. That's what we wanted. John, thank you so much. And what a cruel irony, you know, calling the song starting over into be taken from us. And again, you know, Beatle mania you know, some of the images of the people outside the Dakota. Yeah. You know, just tells you how much, not only Lennon, but that group meant to many generations of music listeners and was a great tribute. There were tributes all over the country. I remember the the one in Saint Louis. When when it happened was on. Art hill in the middle of forest park, and there were thousands of people, I remember going, the, the day, after two art hill, and there's all this melted wax. Well on the on the hill from people in, in silence in candlelight in, in reference to yeah. To what happened. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, none of us gets out of this world alive, but, you know, they are my favorite group, and it isn't just because, as a boy, I was in that movie theater in watching young girls, screaming at a movie screen going. What? But that didn't hurt me, it was part, it was part of their legacy, but they kept changing, I know I've said this to you before their, their willingness to experiment with sound made them partially the cultural phenomenon that they were right. And that's something artistically that I've always kept him on, even though I'm a writer primarily and not a musician. It's stretching yourself and. Being interested in lots of things, and not stagnating, and that's one thing you have to admit about the Beatles, is they constantly stretched the boundaries of popular music. Well, I mean starting with the simple lyrics of love me do. Right. There's what eighteen words and all of, you know, to the brilliance of the of the later, work lyrically, you know, as a writer, that's gotta be that's gotta be something to you. And something just to finish up with the lies. Yeah. Bonkers. So there is a movie that Tom Hanks directed called that thing. You knew. Yes. And you know what the those songs are delightful, and they're very British invasion. If, if not Beatle esque or Beatles, and I have to admit I was listening to lies thinking about that thing. You do. Yeah. And also there's a song that they have over the credits at the end that is also super British pop bouncy called. She knows it. Yeah. That is just listening so infectious it's, you know the. The lyrics may seem insipid to you. But it's in your bloodstream the music is so fun and up that, you know, you, you, you find yourself bouncing to it, even while your brain is going. These are really sappy lyrics, one of the artists that, that did not make an appearance on this show and having this conversation right now about that thing you do, I'm starting to see is an oversight is Adam Slesinger, and a brilliant, writer, brilliant producer who wrote that thing you do and record Kay. He is the musical director for the crazy ex girlfriend show and and has his own band and puts out his own records. And it's all very beetle influenced, we did not. I did not come prepared with music by Slesinger a place for you. Brad, we finished recording. Yeah. I'm so impressed by that movie. Not only the quality of the writing that's less during everybody did for the music. Hanks's direction is terrific, but it really. Evokes the period from what I remember in right down to little details like listening to an early version of the ear, bud while you're listening to a transistor radio. Okay. 'cause don't still sex thing is I pods in the middle sixties now. So people are listening to transistor radios either holding it, and they have it out of the little speaker, or they're using one ear bud. They didn't have to. Choose whether it was your left or right ear while you listen to your favorite, you know, pop station on A m happy, yet, crappy AM that's and that's, that's the way it was. When the Beatles suddenly took over, there's a scene in that thing, you do which reminds me of a story that Larry Tamblyn from the stand else, told me. And when they're recording that thing you do on this Otari real to real machine. Probably Panasonic real the real machine they're recording. Literally in the producers garage, which is where thirty water the was biggest hit was record was in their producers garage. They literally opened up the garage backout the car set up the gear and set up advance equipment, and they recorded Gertie water in the graduate, went straight to number one, and it's still being played today and would have been played in Boston had the Saint Louis blues not won the Stanley Cup this year. There you go. There's a very proud Tim power smiling pretty times, you know, verse time though, but nobody really Beatles music all them and smiling like an idiot. No, not the first time you're smiling first time the Saint Louis blues won the Stanley Cup ever. That's true injury in franchise history. So you guys are overdoing Saint Louis meal that Tim is from that area. That is the it is all true. Our next cut is about another town. It's called wicked little town, and it's from the not only the film and the soundtrack, but most, especially the live performance of Hedvig and the angry inch. So this is a show that was conceived by John Cameron Mitchell and a guy named Stephen Trask, and they alternated during the history of the production, playing a German transsexual, who a guy who becomes a woman to marry a serviceman and come to America, and unfortunately, the reference to the angry, it didn't is a botched operation that leaves a very small amount of flesh where that person's manhood used to be I see. But now all that sounds pretty crazy. Outrageous. I chosen a song that has the sadness and the incredible melancholy and power of certain beetle in Lennon songs for me and wicked little town. I don't understand why some songs work this way. But the fact is Tim, sometimes I hear song doesn't matter how many years, I was into it. How many times I listened to it? It's still chokes me up and brings tears to my eyes and wicked little town is about cruelty, but in the context of the show, it's also about all of the insults and degradation, that this poor man turned into woman suffers in life, and it's got it's got the power of, you know, Eleanor Rigby to it, somehow it is not exactly like Eleanor Rigby, but it's got that sense of tragedy. And, you know, my voice is going to be strained when we talk about it on the other side, because every time I hear it wicked little town. Chokes me up. Two. Still. Stew? Okay. Say spa. It's the coral ports radio hour, we're playing Beatles song songs that sound like Beatles, but aren't by or even associated with the Beatles. But certainly influenced that's from the, the musical Hedwig, and the angry. It's a great inch. And yes, yes. So it was played by both Stephen Trask, and who we just heard John Cameron Mitchell it upon I review this album this record. Sounds like Genesis trying to do a Beatles out a song. I hear a lot of the transitional Genesis between the, the Peter Gabriel and the pop days wind, weathering that sort of. Yes, m e the vocal quality sounds really good. Where this record did not capture me is that the vocals are mixed too deep and I found the money. So and knowing that the lyrics are so important to you, my friend. Yeah. I had a hard time following what they were. So. And obviously the song of folks, a strong emotion from you sonically beautiful. Absolutely a beautiful. Yeah. You know, be Lee. Yeah. It could be clearer in terms of the vocal. But at the same time, there's in the show, you come to understand. And by the way, the show is a lot punk rock. This is a ballad and it's a little different from most of the show. But you make a good argument about the clarity of the vocals at the same time. They're very wistful, and I saw this done live at the Pantages. I know the Henry fawn. Theater on Hollywood Boulevard, when it was touring, and most of it was like, really in your fate. I got an angry inch, you know, it's, it's a, it's a transsexual, who's angry and then sees the, the fall of the Berlin Wall, and I'm thinking, well, this is kind of a punk rock music. I'm not that into punk rock. And then this astonishing ballot which has the field least somewhat musically of imagined, but the lyrics are much darker than anything. The Beales ever wrote now was just kind of knocked off my feet. And so, you know, this is one of the many different influences. The Beatles had, you know, you know, sometimes people would take some small aspect of their work and say, yeah, I'm going to infuse that in this song. Right. The rest of the show has absolutely no similar. Yeah. It's it's punk in its in your face and it's very thrash e and metal. But this, this clearly has it hits her for you, man. It does. And I. I wanna dig into that. Can you can you give me a little more about why this this song? You know, wicked little town is appropriate to people in show business. It's appropriate to people who have suffered prejudice on any level, color sex. Anything it's people who've been ostracize. Yeah. You know, which, of course, is something that the who did a lot with something like Tommy, you know, and Pink Floyd did with Ilyushin. These are kind of chapters that I did in music is power the book that's coming out November, so you're so ever books are sold e music is powered by Brad, Trevor out in November in bookstore near you. Be there or be hexagonal. Yes, Rutgers University press. So I'm fascinated by songs that give you a strong feeling of beeling being alienated being alone and desperately reaching out. And this is certainly one of those, and yet, there's a beauty to the like I. Say, I think about imagine in the anthem like quality that. And, and yet this song is about I'm trying to reach out and get some sort of guideline because my life, feels like it's almost over. And that's actually part of the musical desperation of German character who feels completely lost at culture. I'm transsexual people don't know how to relate to me the my chance in life has passed me by and how can you not be moved by that. I high solution. Yeah. From the, the plastic Ono band album. That's that whole album is about John solo album. The plant thing about when your teenager in Saint Louis, you know, teenage is about isolation is trying to fit in socially is trying to move away from your family structure, but not being adult and not being self sufficient, it's all about 'isolation. It's all about trying to find yourself and transition. Yeah. Yeah. And this is a sexual transition. This will as a transition into adulthood. One coach could argue that the transition from boy to man or girl woman is transition as well. Yeah. Of course, so probably not to the degree that male female is. You know, that's a very strong transition transition. Nevertheless, gives gives entree to understand and didn't John Lennon have a song. I, I don't know why I'm blanking on the I thought it was something dream number nine, just three number seven nine dream number John, John is always about nine very, very whisper through the heat. Whispered trees. Yes, hard. Yeah. That song they was breach. Others names backwards. Yes. Yes. Yes. That song has the same effect on me as we will town from Hedvig, and the angry, inch, there's just something motion in strange about it, and in theory, but real. Yeah. You know is I, I don't know nobody can. Quantify, why one song moves in you listen to another and you go as stupid the person next to us like go. So you you be how can you not love going? I don't know at least me cold. I it's hard. Yeah. Number nine dream number nine dream. Yes, is, is for me, one of the most emotional songs. It just really reaches me in a heart level. More than not only more than any Beatles song him more than almost any other pop song. And this is in that canon one day, we'll do a show and you'll bring a box of Kleenex is in bring all the songs that ever moved me to tears. It'll be very hard for me to talk during that show. Well, it'll be it'll be okay, we'll have we'll have a teddy bear here for you. It'll be okay. Well, there's, there's a lot of really really sad songs, but I purposely stay away from this because I want that. I want this show to be a good time. I have about four more cuts to that have just popped into my head since we started this, that I kinda wanna get through because they are some of them are fun. Some of them are just Beatles influenced. And one of them I think is funny. Yeah, so what's gonna be hard to top the rentals. It's gonna be hard to top the royals but not impossible. I think it did it. Okay. So, but this is not that cut, we talked earlier about the, the guitar virtuoso and multi-platinum record producer Todd Rundgren, who clearly has a strong Beatles influence, all the way from his work with the nas-, which sounds a lot like the who and Beatles, and sixties. Mod pop spite him being from upper Darby Pennsylvania. Right. And his band utopia put out a basically. Beatles tribute band knowing how tot approaches a song I can imagine that he just said. All right. I'm going to try and write some songs that sound like Beatles and mathematically figure out what makes Beatles song Beatles song, and there's ten or twelve cuts on this record. That, that go, very that are produced in a similar manner that are sonically, similar to, to Beatles music, the standout track for me, is when I'm about to play, which sounds very much like love me, do, please, please me air, a Beatles. Oh boy. And a roll it out. And then, and then we'll, we'll check it out. All right. All right. Here's utopia the coral courts radio. Our back in just a minute. And. Andy. Want? Go to field. Eighty degrees. Two. Don't tell me. Don't be. Ready? That's the Whigs on the coral courts radio hour with Siri scorching, beautiful vocals by my dear friend, Marty Ross and. I would love that song. If mardi were not a dear friend of mine. I, I remember the first time I heard that I was screaming down the two in my in my in my car and, you know, I paid extra for the Bose stereo. And I pop the disc in and this song came on and. I found out that Mazda has a safeguard in their, their stereo, so that you can only turn your volume up so far. But the doors were vibrating goes up to eleven this would went up to sixty five and I mean, you know, it's rare in Los Angeles, that you get to scream on the freeway, but I was booking and the song was, and, you know. Not this not long ago. And, and I just fell madly madly in love with a hundred eighty degrees by group called the Whigs vocals, and guitar work by the insanely talented, mardi Rosh, who has a new album coming out keep an eye open, for that Google mardi Ross music. And, and see if you can pick that up. I always picking up my copy in just a few weeks and I'm very excited to see what mardi has come up with love that song. It sounds very Beatty. Right down to the every brothers harmony that cool acoustic middle bridge. And, and just the, the drums throughout are just so so tasty. And frankly, this should have been a hit single, ladies and gentlemen. You have not really lived until you've been into the Tim power studio, and you listen to a song that he loves and you see him punched the air with his fist at the most impactful time in the song with whether that's a break of, of music. Or whether it's a guitar core going zoom and he looks like he's his team just a home run in the bottom of the night. And he just, and that's part of the joy of loving music is not only your own satisfaction, but seeing other people feel it too. It is true. Now, now in addition to all that you've said, yes. And the joy that it's brought you and the Beatles connection there is yet another connection with song, which I just heard for the first time, tell me it is very similar to another song by another artist that I would have chosen, tell me more. Well, I didn't get to all the people on my list. But one of the people I was going to play is Elvis Costello. Uh-huh. You bowed down, which by the way, I heard for the first time when I was in a movie theater in Los Angeles. And they had the prearranged Jiamusi before they start the jailers, and I heard you bow down. I went this is some band that love. The beat this is this is Elvis Costello. So 'cause rights agreed variety of work, and he's a wonderful song writer, there's no doubt about it. But you bowed down is a jangling beautiful beetles birds like tribute to that era. And so is mardi song. So as mardi song. And so is the before that, and you told me, I just wanna touch you, which has that sly hidden, you know, poppy happy boy girl love, but that slice sexuality right, under the it's not so sly man. Not that one, it's pretty upfront. Now, I wanna be inside you. Yeah. There's a but with little subtlety missing in that, right? It's parent song, please, please me allegedly is about an act of or love gone wrong. And that's why who says says John really? Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. It's apparently. Well, we all day tripper she's a big teaser. Yeah, she took me half the way there. Well, it was pretty teaser. Those. Right. I'm not making that. Yeah. I've heard I've heard I've read an interview, the Beatles somebody in the Beatles said that he will become put that on the record and she's a practice. She's a big teaser. All right. That's close enough. They sneak around into girl in the background the tip. That's right. Yeah. Well, you get away with what you can. Right. Yeah. But, you know, since you bring it up Todd. Yeah. We, we've talked a lot about Todd in the show, and he has well, he did an covers and, you know, the Beatles rain, but he also did the beach boys of beautiful. You know, impression what their work was like he's faithful. Yeah. Faithful is the name of the Alabama and right side. One was was covers of the really important songs. If six was nine yeah, by Hendrix, and, and a couple of others. And it's let me tell you something as a huge Hendrix. It's hard to do a cover of anything that Jimmy is done, and not sound like a fool and Todd basically had the basis covered. I mean, he's yeah. He's not Jimmy in terms of feedback ITAR, but he had that gutsy edge to him. You know, he's got Philadelphia blue eyed soul, but he's got this amazing like Brian Wilson like production brain right? And he's his ability mimicry of styles of music is what we're talking about. And it's, it's almost unparalleled in pop music. So that's why we mentioned like four times today, because of what he can do. That's beatles. Like and like other groups, right? While we were while we were off, Mike you came to the table with with another song, which is which is Beatty. And, and three-quarters British three-quarters not half bad. Yeah. Right. So I'm familiar with the song, but I'm not seeing the connection. And I'm, I'm not challenging you. I'm saying Brad. Tell me how we got how we got here. Oh, you wanna talk about the before we hear it. Yeah. All right. So Crosby Stills Nash. No. Most of their songs don't remind me of the Beatles. The there's no doubt about that. But grim Nashes voice. Yeah. On this immigration integration. Man is somewhat to me, reminiscent, plus the guitars, and then the tone of the lyrics now most of the songs were playing today on coral courts. The lyrics aren't what remind us of the Beatles. There's something else of ways or or music. But there's something very sly about the lyrics of immigration man, and listen to it. Look for the subtle turns of phrase that are humorous that remind me a lot about the Beatles, when they're being at their slighest immigration man Crosby Stills. In Nash, this one without young. At the Gration saying. Thing. But it be. By the negation said he does he. Here. The creation. Crossed the line, right? Gration. Today. See anyway. With immigration face. The chase on the sun was coming. Into space. The creation. See anyway. With night immigration. Speeding to gave Bill. When Goldman's coming. You john. Anyway. Equation. Thank you. See. Beca. Tar work is really Vakhid of, of Beatles. All right. Now, if I asked you, this is unpleasant, listening audience, if I asked you right now. What Beatles song is most reminiscent of immigration man by CS, and then would something come to your mind, because something came to my mind when I was going through the songs last night. There's. A hero like a tiny bit of that. Heavy lady lady Madonna beat, and then now think not so much in terms of music, but maybe lyrics here. Does it remind you of kinda tongue-in-cheek? But bitter Beatles song is supposed to remind me of nowhere man. You know that's a really good one. I felt like it's nowhere man and also taxman. Oh, we know where. Yeah, you're being better. You're working for no one, but may, you know. Yeah. And, and what are the lyrics that Nashes singing here? Here he was with his immigration warm big enough to keep me warm. Yeah. And from immigration man becomes irritation man. Yep. If you catch that very clever, very subtle. And frankly, it's even more timely today with what's going on with world, immigration and racism, and, you know, blaming certain people and, you know, just tribal shifting of people in continents. It's, it's pretty timeless song more and more timely than maybe it was. Twenty years ago, for sure. Yeah. And while I have recently come to appreciate Graham. Nash is a songwriter. I was I found the hollies to be kinda shrill. I was never really, I never really enjoyed a lot of the hollies music because it just it sounded super truly and. Yeah. And kinda loud and screaming more than than it was melodic. It wasn't as creamy as it was screaming. Yes. Although there were again, great harmonies back in the day. And I would say that, you know, Crosby Stills Nash and young if you talk about those guys, I think solo Crosby songwriting has held up the best, but this is one of the few songs that made me think of the Beatles because of the sly nature of it in the connection to, to tax man. Yeah, some of the our work to, and I think nowhere man is a very smart allegation. Not illusion allegation. To what the Beatles did in, in similarity. It's I'm glad we got to that. I'm glad we did. I'm going to wrap it up with one more. And a bone is cut. This is the bonus cut this one, I didn't tell you about the, the concept is can you take any song rework at in Beatles format and see how it works out? So this is a very, very high profile song, a rock and roll standard, as it were done Beatles style, just to see how it can be done. All right. I can't wait. Sprinkling. So there you go. You take a signature take beetle signatures, and plug it into damn near anything stairway to beetle has their way to Larry too. I have not seen that in a long time my heart good. Really? Well, it reminds me too of dick bright in his sounds of delight a bay area phenomenon. When I lived in the San Francisco, Bay area that did stairway to heaven mixed with the theme to Gilligan's island and heard that, and it is the first time I heard it. My brain's just melted ran out of my ear, just like with this, and it is. So perfectly beat Alaska be legal ish. It's, it's just a light full. There's a whole album of stereo to heaven covers in various forms. And there's really there's a doors one. That's really good. It's hilarious. So this has been the coral courts radio hour, Tim powers over here. Brad. Schreiber over there, and we've been walking through tracks that. That sprung from John Paul George and Ringo, the influenced by but not necessarily about or from or any other preposition, you want. But there there'd be Lee. And as you as you go down the Beatles rabbit hole. You will find other bands like this with Howard, make it easy, and introduce you to some things that maybe didn't like tire star. This show is for you, and I thank my friend. Brad, try being part of the show me, yes, yes and George Martin. I always mentioned him as the fifth or sixth or seventh Beatle. Whatever you like even throw in Billy, Preston, and other people. But Murray the k yeah. And my read the K of cool us, just again, that adventuresome spirit, not only hitting America after JFK was assassinated, in bringing joyous music that America really needed and then leading British invasion, but the willingness to go. Let's do different things. Let's keep growing. And maybe the last thing I would say about them as a cultural phenomenon is most people think it's a tragedy that the Beatles stopped touring. If the Beatles continued touring, you have to consider that their studio work would not have been as adventuresome as what they did. They said we don't like the mania, and we can't be heard, and we're being threatened, and this is no way to live. So let's hunker down and really do amazing music that is audio art. And that's one of the reasons they also grew to be the phenomenon that I consider them to be no question about it. And I mean Beatles concerts by by nineteen sixty six by the time they stopped touring was essentially a freak show. You couldn't hear a damn thing and you know in a stadium they were the first band play baseball stadiums. Yeah. You know, and pump through the PA system of, of whatever ballpark there, what Dodger Stadium which still sounds like hell fifty years later. Yeah. Yeah. Their last show was. Candlestick park. You know that's not the way you wanna hear a group. Nope. Up. Now ringo's. Eighty seven. The way you wanna know. So that's why there are so few good live Beatles recordings and y the, the rooftop concert in nineteen sixty nine was so good. Because say what you will the boys could pull it together and jam. So there you go. Enjoy your trip through through Beatles. Adjacent music, Brad, Schreiber's, new book music is power comes out. November twenty first from Rutgers University president as always. It's just a great pleasure. Specially great pleasure to talk about my absolute number one favorite. Pop group with you. Not the last time we're going to do it. My friend. We'll see next time on the coral courts radio hour, here's one last one. You do. Junior.

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TSP099 - Transcendent Tunes: Yesterday, it was scrambled eggs.

The Sill - Perspectives on Art

21:03 min | 2 years ago

TSP099 - Transcendent Tunes: Yesterday, it was scrambled eggs.

"It'll be. I'm jay. But it'd be an he goes. Mina to a seven to demon. Ready? Okay. Man. Yesterday. Funding. You're listening to the podcast perspectives on art and technology with Peter J and Harry pose ner. Episode ninety-nine transcendent tunes yesterday. It was scrambled eggs. Oh, my baby. How I love your legs, not as much as I love scrambled eggs. Oh. Scrabble. Four thousand covers the song yesterday by Paul McCartney, John Lennon, although many people would argue that Lenin had very minimal input creating that he did come up with the title. You'll see two from scrambled eggs. It became yesterday before you go on with that whole Lennon McCartney thing. Yeah. Because all the songs world. And then in slosh McCartney, right? Try to change it to McCartney Lennon for that particular song. Well, miss Yoko Ono put her heavy foot down said no way Jose to that change in Paul said, okay. Fine. That's that. So where did this tune come from a dream came from a dream nineteen sixty three per chance to dream pretend to dream to sing pretend treatment? So he wakes up in the stream, he's in his girlfriend's attic bedroom. Jane Asher, and he has this melody but no words. So he decides to put nonsense words to it. And the nonsense words were what we say. Just before. So he and John had a hoot for the next couple of years, every time the song, come up. We'll be a running joke for them to be singing scrambled eggs, but two years later, the words do arrive. And Paul goes to Portugal may have nine hundred sixty five that's right. And he boroughs acoustic guitar from a buddy of his there in Portugal, and the lyrics come to him this quote here where he talks about the lyrics. He says, I remember mulling over the tune yesterday and suddenly, getting these little one word openings to the verse, I started to develop the idea Dada yesterday suddenly funded Lee merrily and yesterday. That's good. All my trouble seem so far away. It's easy to rhyme. Those as say today away play stay there's a lot of Ryan's in those fall in quite easily. So I gradually pieced it together from that journey. Suddenly and be again another. Z rhyme. E me, tree flee we had the basis of it. So those are the lyrics came together in Portugal, which we can read for you. Now, if you like sure pardon, my paper, shuffling the lyrics go yesterday. All my troubles seem so far away. Now it looks as though they're here to stay. Or I believe in yesterday, suddenly, I'm not half the man, I used to be there's a shadow hanging over me or yesterday came suddenly why she had to go. I don't know. She wouldn't say I said, something wrong now I long for yesterday yesterday love such an easy game to play. Now I need a place to hide away or why believe in yesterday why she had to go. I don't know. She wouldn't say I said something wrong. Now I long for yesterday yesterday. Love with such an easy game to play. Now I need a place to hide away. Or I believe in yesterday, but all my baby how I love your leg. Don't scramble the lyrics. So those are the lyrics very simple lyric. Love lost regret. Typical early Beadle material based on men, women relationships the usual stuff and the wonder of it is that the tune itself only takes about two minutes, nodal and average songs in those days, more around three three in a bed weren't about time. This is quite truncated when you think about ops on. And so this little kind of ditty, in a way, which really when you think of the genre, it's been called a baroque pop song, because George Martin suggested bringing a string quartet into the song. In fact, it was one of the first pop songs to have string quartet in. Yeah. And other. I, of course, was the first Beatles song for one of the Beatles to record solo and to include on an album. And so people have suggested that this particular moment in time. Was the beginning of the rift, that would see the Beatles breaking up and one of the note that some to really they went to your acoustic apart from the strings. There was only an acoustic guitar. That's right. I think they had John playing Oregon at on one of the takes. Yeah, and that didn't work. So they said, okay, just do it yourself. But the thing was recorded, but it took two years. Didn't it before it actually off and on there were comes to the studios, and apparently, Paul would always be humming it or playing it almost to the annoyance of the other Beatles at times. That's right. Even on the set of help because yesterday was actually released for the first time on the album help. Yes. In August of nineteen sixty five. Right. And the song at only been recorded from takes, they took the second take we played the first take at the beginning of this podcast. Yep. What on the second take us that? And the actual song was recorded at Abbey Road on June fourteenth nineteen sixty five which was just. Four days prior to Paul's twenty third birthday credible and eight appeared on the Ed Sullivan show shortly after. Right. And at the end of the song that, when Paul San yesterday, John apparently said, thank you, Paul. That was just like him. And the song was not universally loved. Nope. Bob Dylan disliked. It apparently me just find Dylan's, quote enough goes on to record it. Yes, that's right. I will he says, if you go into the library of congress, you can find a lot better than that. There are millions of songs like Michelle and yesterday written and tin pan alley. And then, of course later as you say, Harrison joins him they record the song. Yes that again. So that's kind of funny when you really Bobby, come on. So what are you going to say about it? It was ranked thirteenth on rolling. Stone's two thousand and four list of the five hundred greatest songs of all time. There was actually voted the best song of the twentieth century in nineteen ninety nine BBC radio two pole. Yeah. Music experts listeners and was also voted the number one pop song of all time by MTV and Rolling Stone magazine. The following year nineteen ninety seven it was introduced into the Grammy hall of fame seven million performances lay over four thousand dollars in the twentieth century. Hello. And I think that ranks third amongst all of the performances and plays on the radio. Everybody out. There is dying to know at one and two are. Well, I'll tell you what they were never mind love, right? The associated for my love and, oh, this is the righteous brother got that love and feeling was played and performed more. It's amazing then yesterday in that year, especially it was also warded outstanding song of nineteen sixty five it won the Ivor Novello award runs. Nanning. Song. It was actually most performed work of the year behind their own composition, Michelle. The song were focusing on. But if you remember the Beatles. Yep. They're still today. Have that record of the most number one hits, yet of any solo artist or band that ever played. Yeah. Quintin. Number one hits. Listen. I remember in my teenage years, we still little cigar shop willa Dale. And we had chum FM on and inevitably most of those years. The Beatles always had two three four five hits in the top ten. In fact, in April specifically, April eleventh nineteen sixty four. Yep. They occupied five of the ten top spots. Yes. Incredible, isn't it? Yeah. This is ball. It is incredible. When you also think that the billboard charts since they were started. They've had approximately seventy thousand songs to choose from. Yeah, incredible yesterday was recorded by artists like Frank Sinatra Elvis, Presley Liberace Tammy wha. Net. Daffy duck. We have to find that recording of Daffy duck and play that for vox box mamas in the puppets. Marvin gaye. Ray Charles placebo Domingo. Saying it as well. Chuck Berry said it was very inspirational song so much. You wish it was a song that he had written. Right. Right. Whereas John Lennon wished he hadn't had an party part of it. Right. An interesting quote from Paul himself. Yes. So he said, I reckon yesterday's probably my best song. I like not only because it was a big success. But because it was one of the most instinctive songs I've ever written. I was so proud of it. I felt it was an original tune. The most complete thing I've ever written. It was very catchy without being stickler. Of course, George Martin. He was interesting. He says, yesterday Blimey he's always talking about that song. You think he was Beethoven or something? Actually that was George Harrison and said that, oh, not George Martin, George. You're right. Yes. George Harrison said that which is interesting, of course because it's another member of the band who went onto record with Dylan right yesterday. So there you go. Bucks. Fox. Yes. All my. There. All live. And the third. Oh me. Shadow seems to be a safe attached. Watch it up there. Bucks. Logs the spite the thousands of different and diverse artists who covered the song, only four versions have actually made the charts. Yes, the Beatles Matt Monro. Ray Charles and Marianne faithfull those the only four artists that are made the charts with that song. That's interesting. Wondering why that is because a lot of the times, the song was also used in various live performances, people like Frank Sinatra, for example, who went on stage and recorded versions of these songs. So there wasn't always about getting onto the charts. Right. Exactly. I mean, if that -ducted. The beautiful thing. I find about this. Tune is the fact is yes. It's two minutes roughly long. Right. And we're coming up on one hundred podcast not too long from now. Yeah. And the whole point of one hundred podcast to talk about how small is big is mutable in. Here's a small thing that became an earth shaking cultural energy in a way. Conic icon IQ in the same way that, if you years later Jonathan Livingston, seagull, the novella became world famous, as well for short little thing, interestingly was his prime in these same years is the Beatles. That's right. Sixties to their rig up nineteen seventy right. So for all you people out there who are budding musicians, don't worry about length Nori about writing an opus epic, not only buddy musicians. For the male population in general, right? Exactly. So ya'll's budding musicians. Yeah. Just just do your thing. Right. Your song, and even if it's two minutes long, just fine. It's the perfect length for what it is. And what it was right about the song. Yeah. So it gets released on help in August of nineteen sixty five but it does not come out and only in the US as a single until the following month, which is number nineteen sixty five. Right. But in the UK, yes, it doesn't come out as a single until eleven years later in nineteen seventy six. Yeah. It's incredible. In fact, when it came out, they went to Brian Epstein, their manager and other people that said, you know, should be released this as a single not connected to the Beatles. Really? And they all said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You can't do that you can't separate the Beatles out into singles efforts. And so that idea was. I bashed, which is one of the reasons why there's speculation on the basis of that song, perhaps being the beginning of their break-up. Yeah. Some people say that the inspiration for that song was Paul McCartney's, mother. Yes. Who was a nurse and who died young when he was fourteen correct? And they think maybe that's what he's referring to says yesterday, but he sort of denies that he doesn't think that's possible. But it's not likely Paul himself questioned whether or not the melody was plagiarized, because he went around looking to see if there was a song that sounded something like yesterday since it came to him in dream. Right. Right. He wasn't sure. And he played it for other musicians composers. And they all said, yeah, it's, it's a rich and original, however, in two thousand one there was a fellow named Ian Hammond who speculated that McCartney subconsciously based yesterday on Ray, Charles version of hoagy, Carmichael 's Georgia on my mind. Oh, really? That's interesting. Mccartney says. Says it was like, handing in something you'd found at the police station in waiting to see if anyone claimed it as a great analogy for wondering if you work is derivative of something else, ROY also concluded in his article by saying that the spite the similarities yesterday is a completely original and individual work. Yeah. According to John who in nineteen eighty said yesterday was entirely Paul's, and that he had nothing whatsoever to do with it. He said, I never wished I'd written it. And I don't believe in yesterday. And it was also performed on the Sullivan show yet and it was done in the F. With McCartney is the only Beatle to perform. However, all the Beatles played in g major version when the song was included in their nineteen sixty five and nineteen sixty six tours. Mccartney apparently appeared on the Howard Stern show, more recently, and he stated that he owns the original lyrics to yesterday written on the back of an envelope. Oh, really? And it must have been written in Portugal, that oval because that's when he actually created the lira. That's right. Interesting. On the back of envelope. Yeah. Sure. Sure. The Gettysburg address was written on the back of something as well. You know, Hanky or something. When yesterday came out as a single. Yeah, it was the b side of wrinkles, acne. That's right. All they gotta do is act naturally a great tune to Quinlan that tune as well. Yeah. What else can we say about it? I con IQ the third most performed played pop song of the century the twentieth century small commented like to make note you recall those years. I wasn't quite a teenager, yet, when they came out, I became a teenager in their mid years. And I recall in that time, the whole generational split when they first came out with a Beatle haircuts, and the Beatles shoes, and everything beetle, and there was this generational gap. Our parents made fun of their hair, and so on, and I remember and specifically song light yesterday were even my father are an on call, or someone would say that's very nice song, having annoyed the ah that it was the Beatles. Yes. Because they were known for she loves you. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Right. But their comments always, you know, attacking the idea of the Beatles and not necessarily just the songs. So for the first time and I can remember the look. On their face. When I said, we'll do you know who that is? You know, who's singing that song? Right. And that is the Beatles, and they're going. Wow. So in many ways, their music did kind of put a cover over that chasm that musical chasm cross the divide between the generations visits, a very kind of an old fashioned tune to, and you with string quartet and simple melodies values mental bit mawkish some people would say been mundane and away low key, but the melody is in a way, what really makes it made so many of their songs. Yeah. The melody, especially non the lyrics so much in this tune necessarily. So. Yeah, that's interesting ways across the great divide. And people of all ages have come to love the song. And that's a beautiful thing, always on this and other podcasts that we do. We'd love to hear back from you. Oh, yeah. We've mentioned many times at the seal podcast. Dot com. You can was an Email comment voice message immediately just pressing on the right side of the page or on your iphone or your ipad or your computer. There's a red marker, right there on the page. Just type it and record your voice. Don't do it yesterday. Do it today. This is podcast. Number ninety nine number one hundred coming at you soon next week. It actually gets posted on June the tenth. Yeah. After which time we are going to be moving to doing a podcast every two weeks. Yep. We're going to take a little bit more time to develop our ideas. Yeah. They give us a chance to really do more indepth research bear in mind. We don't have a team behind us doing this because we're doing all of this ourselves. We're the ones going out and researching getting the information setting the studio doing the editing doing all that stuff. So giving the extra week will allow us to improve the quality of the content and the delivery and donate, if you can donate button. 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Let It Be? No, Let's Remix The Beatles

All Songs Considered

40:34 min | 4 d ago

Let It Be? No, Let's Remix The Beatles

"For NPR music, you're connected to all songs. Considered I'm bob boylan. Today, a conversation with Giles Martin about The Beatles last release studio album, let it be, and his work on the just released super deluxe edition. Let it be as a complicated album originally intended as a simple way for the band to get back to its more rock and roll roots. Let it be was engineered by Glynn Johns, culminating in a rooftop concert, but the album was shelved. This 5 disk set produced by Giles Martin Giles is the son of producer George Martin, though his dad didn't have a large role in this project. And I have had the pleasure to talk about his recent remixing of The Beatles album sergeant pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, the white album and Abbey Road. Giles was in his home outside London, as in my apartment outside Washington, D.C., one of the impressions I've had about The Beatles let it be sessions is that they were contentious. In fact, the film that came out in 1970 showed some pretty dark moments. But that isn't the impression that he had after going through nearly four weeks of recordings. I want to set the scene. It's a top of January's 1969 Beatles double album was just finished and released just a few months before 30 songs. They're going to write and record new songs for a TV documentary of sorts ending in a live performance. They had a tight deadline a bit more than a month to do it. That seems absolutely insane. I think if there was a if there was an issue with what was the get back project, it wasn't called let it be then. Was the sheer ambition behind it? Was the fact that they planned on doing a live album of tracks that were going to perform with no idea where they were going to perform it. And also having no tracks written. But they were going to write them in front of a film crew. And it's like you can imagine a ban now any band think of the band the world like that. Now, you two or Coldplay or whoever just going, hey, you know what we're gonna do with three weeks time to play our first live show in three years because we've been locked down. We haven't got any songs yet. We don't know what we're gonna play yet, but that's the plan guys. Let's film the process. And that's what it was. And essentially, if you think about the level of quality of the performance for instance on the rooftop, it was actually pretty good. It's the journey through that. That's what we get. And they got to the end of it and they realized actually it hadn't really done enough. And they scrapped the project and went on to make Abby road. That's what led it be is. It's so insane. Let's play a clip of them arriving at twickenham, describe where they're going to film this and then I'll play this little clip called on the day shift. I think it's called. Well, twice film studios is still exist. It's still an active film studio. It's basically imagine if anyone does know the filters, it's basically a large cold concrete room if you like. It's the beginning of January. There's no heating. The Beatles of as you mentioned in your instructional co author white album. And they are literally planning on getting together and trying to work out how they're going to do a concert in two and a half or three weeks with no songs. Hiring on high doors. Hello? Krishna. And on the day shift now. It's gotta be that one. See the thing that I feel about the motion of it is very, you know, bandy. It's like that. The club. You know, it's like it gets to some things a bit quicker. You know what I mean? It's just. It's not, you know, if there's people joining in. So I hear they're about to George Harrison's presenting them version of a song all things must pass obviously didn't make it to the south. It's interesting hearing this. Yeah, and the thing about this is that, I mean, George says, actually, you know, because they're going to do a live show, Georgia says I don't use my songs for this. Did he say that? Why would he? Because all this was passed wasn't really a nice thing we have to understand. All this must pass wasn't really a rock and roll song. There wouldn't be a rock and roll band. That's their gig. And I did hear him imagine the same. The tricky thing about his project is they planned in this live run, this live show blasting through with good live numbers. And they would pull writing long winding road. They weren't necessarily songs that suited the genre they were going for. And George especially on that deadline. And George was writing, you know, George has very sensitive piece of music. And he was going the other direction. He wanted them to be. My dad used to say George was a bit like a carpet weird, we've intricate a fine fine piece of carpet. He was very meticulous and what he did. And didn't want them just to throw them away. He realized I think at that point in time, he was writing some great songs. He's finally coming to his own, which is true. I mean, look at Abbey Road, you know, with here comes the son of something. And then look at all things was past the album. So he was aware that he was suddenly reaching the level of the others. And he approaches the one to go and let's just pass in that live somewhere that we haven't planned yet. Let's listen to some of this all things must pass. I really loved hearing the rest of the group try to join in and work this out. After all this month. It's not always. Us back. It's so great to hear them working out these tunes. Yeah, it's funny with that as well. George says to the animals, the band, you know. Let's make it like the band. Let's do the first of vocals, no, like, you know, and bringing other influences. That is The Beatles did all the time. But the thing about let it be or this project is you hear the way they work. Do you hear the way they drew from other people and drew from each other? The other thing that's interesting, the other thing is this fun for me about that is that you hear my dad, you heard George asking how my mom is at the beginning of it. As for me, it's kind of personal because I was born October 9th 1969. And we see the daily roster. I realized that I was conceived on one of these days. Oh, wow. Wow. That's a strange thing. My dad's got small in his face. This cold big room tweaking him for a while. You know, I was a teenager, then, so I've got some age on you when let it be came out. And saw the movie when it came out. And of course, we, my generation thinks of this as the contentious times and so forth. And talk about the atmosphere and then their move to well studio. I mean the atmosphere token wasn't too bad. I mean, it got to a stage where you kind of feel the pressure that John and Paul put on themselves. And you hear the frustration of they believe themselves with the songwriting team that have to deliver these songs. And they are going, you know, what have you got? We've got a day off on Sunday we've got to write something. Georgia's job replies to Georgia once there's harrisongs. He's separate. It does strike me that he's separate and his songwriting from the other two. There's never a Lennon Harrison song on The Beatles. He's never ever thought about that. I didn't tell you this project. And so I think he was like, he felt like the ostracized, which is probably by the end of it. He walked out and said, listen, I'm done, which was a good idea because he had written his diary once tweaking him had lumps left The Beatles. And they realized that the twickenham idea was a bad one. And the reason why is a bad one is because it wasn't a place conducive for that number of equipment. It wasn't a place conducive to working. But it wasn't that long. They were only there for ten days. And where did they go? And then they went to Salvador, which is they had a guy a critical magic Alex in my dad actually thought a nightmare who jumped aside who could do anything. And he's a fascinating character who told the fields you could build them with studios like no other much better than any of the EMI studios. Of course, ear last year's was that be rude. They hadn't changed the name yet. She told The Beatles that he could he could stop sound without walls without glass, and all the stuff and they arrived. And there's a bunch of boxes that nothing worked. Nothing worked at all. And so they actually, in this humble pie, and they shipped all the equipment from Abbey Road. And set up in the basement of their offices at savile row, their makeshift studios, which is kind of what's a much happier circumstance for them. Billy Preston was also brought in by George, and he's a remarkable keyboard player that George he was the cable player for Rachel's, I think. Suddenly they had someone else there who was a welcome musician, but also had to behave a bit better because they certainly just like, you know, what's the point of having a sports car if you're never going to drive it? They had to play good songs instead of great people player. And that changed things. It was a much happier environment for them. It's funny. It's definitely let it be the film is in three parts and let it be that in reality the free pass. You have twickenham cold dank. It's what people remember. You have several row where they had a really good laugh and basket a lot of takes and a lot of songs. And then of course you have the rooftop. Okay, so we've left twickenham now we're in savile row. Let it be let it be. Maybe just have one chord is on the first time two goals on the second. Yeah, so this gives you a this gives us ample of the out of the cold and into the warm of several row. There's glass of wine, there's carpet on the floor. And there's family and friends around them. And this is them working on let it be. And you can see that the one thing about let it be, which just goes against what people think is you see the beadle you see and you hear The Beatles working together. They all suggest other things for other things, other people's songs. And this is a cool version, let it be because it's slightly faster. It's a great vocal. Oh, we've been doing that. Last night I said these words to my God. There's daft love. You know you always make. But come on. Come on. Come on. Okay. Come on, I only get two notes in this song. When I find myself in times of trouble, mother man comes to me speaking words of wisdom let it be. And in my darkness, she is standing right in front of me, speaking words of wisdom that it be, let it be let it be let it be let it be whispered wisdom let it be. When all the broken heart it people living in the world agree there will be an answer let it be. Although they may be born there is still a chance that they will see there will be an answer let it be let it be let it be let it be there will be an answer let it be and let it be let it be. Let it be let it be smooth let it be. I mean, I kind of love that version. It's faster and it's lighter. It's lighter sounding. It's less. And that's funny because you don't think of the let it be sessions being light. But they are, you know, in lot of cases. Well, that's a thing you've gone through so much of this footage and film. You've probably seen more than almost any other person besides the Beatles and are able to in retrospect, look at the mood and tone, I think. Yeah, people see that when they see the get back film that's coming out, which is a Peter Jackson directed film. It is a fly in the wall, and it's kind of fast there because there's something views of about watching just normal people go about their business, but their business up is to make great records. And it's important you see them not making great records as well, because that makes sense of it all. I'm sure there's lots of situations in rubber solemn revolver and sergeant pepper and whatever. That had elephants led to be in them as well, but you don't get to see them or hear them. One of the playful moments you mentioned, Billy Preston. I think The Beatles may have met him when he played with Little Richard in the early 60s. I think I remember reading that. The Beatles opened, apparently in Liverpool for Little Richard. And they met a press in there. And then here he is, he goes on to be signed to Apple records, but goes on to be a superstar, but I want to play something that is on this collection of them doing a song. He didn't write the song, but it's a song that he put on one of his albums without a song, I think is the name of this. Yeah, this just serves as brilliant. And this is the thing this the interesting statement that appears that this isn't him recording a song as him just playing a song to himself. And you have Ringo and John with him. John's playing with the blues, but he only, yeah. It's just it just shows what a talent he was. What a soul he was. He has a song. Bad field of calm. I never see you. That feel of calm. A man is born. Unless you're having a song. Because John's guitar then. I mean. You know, why I sort of put that and it's not even a full song that doesn't record in the beginning of it. Well, I put that in, because it just shows it kind of like is that is a an undiluted part of Billy Preston and what he adds to The Beatles with let it be. That's what he's bringing to the record. And his organ and I mean on the song, let it be. You're so stunning. So many moments. Yeah. You know, even get back as an example, a great, you know, a great cable play, you know, if you think about, you take out pretty pressed out of a lot of them let it be out. It wouldn't say record. Blew me away when I listened to this. I keep thinking about this monthlong thing. Ringgo is going to go off into a film shoot in February. They've got three or four weeks to put this thing together here they are just sort of jamming around with Billy Preston on a song. In terms of the essence and yet there's playfulness. Absolutely. I think that's funny. My dad and interesting role in all of this. Because they didn't want him there, because they were doing a live they were doing a live show and pauses doing a live show. You know, you know, we don't want George Martin. He's our record company guys. When he turned up, though, they would tend to do more songs, and he'd be going so what exactly are you doing? What exactly is going on here? That would be his question. In the film, he's saying, okay, what are you going to do? What are you going to play on the roof? If you want to play, what are you going to play? And they go, well, you know, we can't really play lead peaks. It's going to get a piano up there. You know? And you can see I'm just going in Glen's going. You know, they did a great job on this, and Glenn has Glenn Johnson. And he's a great job. My dad's had a rather sort of passion, so he's very nice to you this boy, isn't he? What he says? You know, it's an interesting dynamic because let it be, you know, following from the white album, the band moving further away from the way from what my dad thought they should be. In ess that was a progression from sergeant peppers, whether they make a more lap or in their range. To a certain extent, he thought what the band should be was the second half of that year. And they finished his project and then they go on and do that amazing. Yeah, and they finish this product project and, you know, as we noticed on this on these outtakes, we have all of these songs from something and she came through the bathroom window appearing in savile row, popping their heads up. This great idea that they played the rooftop, and that was the end of The Beatles. Of course, just isn't true. They ten days later back in the studio, and they were started they started, you know, with you sorry, I want you to so heavy. And there was Billy Preston again with that. Absolutely and Billy was still living. You mentioned Glenn Johns. He was the engineer there. He would do these mixes and send them to the group. In essence, they kept rejecting what he was doing. You wound up with these tapes and made an entire record of the box set that is the Glynn Johns mixes. What was your impression of these? Why did they keep rejecting them? And what's going on? Well, apparently they apparently got the stage. They almost pulled it almost the day before it came out or something I heard. And I didn't Glenn Glenn took these tracks and remastered them. I didn't touch live in this material, because it was still very much around. But Glynn did exactly what he was asked to by The Beatles. And that was where he created a fly on the wall album that was rough and raw was unproduced that gives you a snapshot of what these sessions were. And I think in es, what happened, the reason why they can release it is because they felt like it didn't have enough finished songs. It was too rough and ready. And that wasn't felt. That was probably The Beatles for the time. You know, there's a reason why the final album had, you know, I mean mine on which was recorded after Abbey Road, and across the universe, which was recorded before The White House. There is why they had to fill their foot out. And in a way, let it be a kind of hodgepodge of an album. It has stuff a good performance after several had the Phil Spector produced in rooftop. It's an interesting mix of all sorts of things. I think but I think Lindsay was very real. It's a good so good list. But I don't think The Beatles thought it was a Beatles album that they wanted to put out. And why not the rooftop as a concert just as an album that? Because they didn't know the root of they didn't play a fall. I went over the rooftop they were waiting for the police to tell. They didn't have a full number of songs in the rooftop. They played they played get back to three times. They're on a rooftop in an office district. They get noise complaints, police come up and stop them. Have that police not come to? Do you know if they had a full set that they did? No, I don't. I think that's the point. They didn't have a full concert to play. Because, you know, they had lots of songs, but they weren't playing two of us in the rooftop. They weren't playing, let it be on the rooftops. They couldn't get a piano there. They wouldn't play long run and run the rooftop. They didn't play me mine on the rooftop, had doing it being finished yet. I mean, the weird thing is they don't let me down the rooftop, which is a brilliant performance. And that's not on the album. You know, because it was a B side. Which, again, why was not the armor for the bee side when across the universe, which was a single, was on the album? And so was get back, but a different version to get back. It's all very confusing. I mean, who knows what's happening at that time? And that's why the Alpine. But the album is actually more interesting for that as a Beatles album, I think. Well, I think that you can't change history, and you know, when I talk to Paul about the album and he was unhappy with the album. It's the only album that isn't really a Beatles album because all the people have been involved at the end of it. We have to remix the album as it was, because I guess so, you know, and he goes, you know, can you take the heart down a long way to run? I've always hated that harp and long winner 'cause famously Phil Spector had a range of Granger coming in, pulled up wasn't any part of the finishing of his song, which I think he found very hard and was found in very you know, that was one of the biggest insults that pull suffered because deep down he's an artist and cares about his music more than anything else, I think. But at times, there's a lot of times gone gone on since then. And it is what it is. But the whole story behind it makes it, it makes it a story to listen to as well as a great album. We'll be right back, take a quick break. I'm talking with Giles Martin about the incredible deluxe edition of let it be, that's just come out. I'm bob boiling and you're listening to all songs considered from NPR music. Support for NPR and the following message come from better help offering online counseling. Better help therapist Joe explains the importance of creating a safe space for therapy. I can't tell you how many times I've had clients that say that expression. I've never told that to anybody. That's when I know I've made some kind of momentous move with this person. They feel safe enough to expose that part of themselves and doing that together with somebody else can be very powerful. To get matched with a counselor within 48 hours and save 10% go to better help dot com slash songs. 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The best analogy I could use, which actually was given to you by journalists, which I've stolen was that remastering is taking on car and polishing it. What we do is we get old car and we take it down and strip it down to all of its parts. And then we put it back together again, and then we polish it. So with something like the Phil Spector material. I've worked on full suspension mature before because I worked on all things must pass to George Harrison. So I live in the material world that George Harrison Scorsese film. I did that. And I mixed all this was possible for that. It's interesting feels better, because of genius producer, but his records sound big, but they sound big when they're small. Does that make sense? You've got a small speak. You make it big, it sounds small. This string is a very kind of middling and we actually took the orchestra recordings and we stuck them back through Abbey Road and we recorded this Ravi road to get stereo and to get we do it with the beatle stuff anyway with golden Slovaks, for instance, but for the abroad album remix. One of the things we try to do, which I think people have said we've done is to create more of a unified sound for the whole album. So we remix if you can imagine taking a car and taking out the carburet and everything and making sure it all works and putting back together again, that's what we do. And you're dealing with what 8 tracks. This is a late truck yeah. This is a light track record. Which means there's 8 different things we can push up and down. How many tracks force the orchestra? No, it's a good question because the way that it depends on the track. Their mono the mono orchestra orchestral tracks, but they recorded more than one orchestra. So I think the quality of the choir and the orchestra on one track and then there's orchestra and heart strings and harp on another track. I think on long running road under this brass another track I think. But he's a mono. So we can make my stereo by putting them through a room and recording that room. So literally you play it through speakers and then Mike. Yeah, we played one speaker and then have stereo microphones. I see. Yeah, but one speaker in say studio two Abbey Road or studio one abio depending what sound we want. And then we'll make a certain pair of speakers. That's also how can we do we can do the atmos work as well the immersive audio works. So let me play the long and winding road, which has much Specter on it and get an example of what was done here. One thing I noticed it felt like to me that, well, it all blended so much better. Yeah, that's the Ames you said, 'cause that was the intention. Because we shouldn't have listened to music as far as when was that done or who did it? It was just the music and just enjoy the song. That's the whole point, right? And with this, it always felt like the Phil Spector stuff was stuck on. Specs is an interesting character. As we know, it wasn't interesting character. He liked to stamp his SPECT in us on everything. Driven by dad who would just basically take ideas and try and filter and create but he would, you know, so I haven't expected it because you can't, it's iconic. It's brilliant, you know, all those things. But I suppose I made it feel less stuck on. Absolutely. Let's listen to the long and winding road. One day no. Do your. Will disappear. I've seen that roar before. Lead me to. The right. All of you. Crying for the day. Let me know. Many times I've been alone and many times I'm crying anyway you never know the many ways I've tried. But to the. One who. Left me that you. Long long time ago. Believe me to your. Family. What's the. Long long time ago. It's fun hearing that. That was a tough mix. That was the one that was the one that stumped us in lockdown. I went back and kept on redoing it because it's a song that is interesting in audio. You make things sound too good they sound, they can down syrupy, and they can sound. The thing about the spec to the original of that appears is kind of slightly cruddy in a way. And that's how do you mean that? What I mean is this like it doesn't sound all that great, but it you can hide things that's like having a it's like having a painting that has the Michelangelo Sistine Chapel was covered in dust and oil and dirt, and they cleaned up and they were like, it's very gaudy. And they are historians argue for years that actually what Michelangelo intended was for it to be dirty, and they knew it was going to be very dirty. I think that long white road needs to be slightly dirty as well. Otherwise, becomes a bit too saccharine. And you presented something like this to Paul who spent a good chunk of time in the early 2000s, making a naked version of this because his intent of the original song was to be much simpler. He was different take as well. I think so. Yeah, but, you know, as I said to him, and he agreed, you know, you know, we totally. This is what was on the album. So let's not change it. You know, that same debate. We talked for hours about sergeant pepper and where should we put penny later strawberry fields on sergeant peppers? They've just been like, well, we didn't. You know. When I listened to, well, many of the songs let it be was one, the way the voice fits into the mix, it has more presence. It's not louder, or it doesn't feel louder, but this clarity, there's more space, maybe it's the way this separation and the mix happens to give the voice more breath. But it was something that struck me as really beautiful and you could hear all of what was being sung. Am I making any sense? Yeah, I was really happy. It's funny you get honestly, you get when you do these projects. You get songs that you honestly can't make sounding better and you just don't tell them about people about it. And you get, you know, you can do mixes that just aren't that great and you try and do the best ones you can. You can mix things 17 or 18 times. Let it be was one where both myself and Sam are just really happy with what we did. You know, let it be it's lucky that the title track is the same. I went off and mixed, goats had soup, which is a Rolling Stones album. And likely the biggest song go to supers Angie and the best mix I did was Angie. It's like sometimes you get lucky. Let it be, we deliberately made the piano stereo. By doing exactly what we're talking about with a bit of ADT result about artificial double tracking, a bit of putting it through a room. And we debated whether we're being Philistines where we're making the piano stereo is a bad thing. And these things we talk about, you get letters from Beatles fans. But I think that helps the vocal funny enough. Yeah. And so that's maybe what you're hearing. I don't know. It's such a beautiful song. And I think it's also one of those things. We're so familiar with the song. It's one of the most played beetle songs of all time. It's so powerful. That you know, it's like changing and love as hair starts like you just noticed it differently. Your father got no credit for let it be. This single that he produced. And I think I heard something years ago where he said he should have gotten something like a credit that basically said produced by George Martin overproduced by Phil Spector. Yeah, I was told that he did something arranged on leopard. I'm not sure. I don't think he did. The little big experience wasn't his favorite time because of that way. You know, it was definitely a he struggled with. He struggled with where the direction of bam were going in. And I think he was frustrated. He didn't think they were meeting me in their full potential. I think that's what he felt as they're sort of, you know, record company guy producer in sort of like mentor as well, musical mentor, he just thought, you know, the classroom, he'd lost the class even more. But fortunately, got to spend time with them and make the brilliant Abbey Road, which we talked about a few years ago. He goes back. So what's left to do? For you. Beatles wise, there's a lot of demand around. You know, we have to be careful. And it's not careful as the source strategic is careful as far as we're doing the right thing. And it looks about rob still and revolver those albums. But then I have to make sure I do them in the right way. The technology needs to get involved. And we'll do this. What have we do? We'll do it, we'll try and write and the great things that we have is such a small bunch of us doing it. It's not like, you know, there's teams of market to people and their strategy of people going, you know, this is what we need to do by this time. They really can be freedom to go okay. I've got an idea we could try and do this. We can try and maybe we can try and do this to other people or tax matter or whatever. Maybe. And then we'll then we'll do it behind closed doors and everyone has listened to and he goes, does this any better? Is it, you know, we're just doing this for the sake of it. And that's what we're trying to do. We try not to do this for sake of it. And there's a lot of people and I think really good credit that you could just go I get messages across the universe is out now on streaming and says let it be. Across the universe gets more people go, I love the new mixture across the universe and then some people will grow. I prefer the original. I just think that's great. I think that people are listening to this stuff. And we spend our life hearing music and have listening to it. So it doesn't matter as long as long as you're enjoying the song. Beautiful. I do enjoy these songs and it's great here and again. And it's great here in having, I think one person doing the guidance to keep the consistency and then having feedback from Paul and I assume Ringo as well. Absolutely putting a ring is very involved. And it's their music. Do you think man? All the time. Keep off it. Producer Giles Martin, the super deluxe edition of let it be is out now in many configurations from streaming to vinyl to Blu-ray, the film get back by Peter Jackson, comes out just in time for Thanksgiving. I'm bob boyan, you can hear my other conversations with childs Martin on the all songs considered site or our podcast feed for APR music. It's all songs considered. Don't let me down. Don't let me know. Don't let me down. Don't let me down. Nobody ever love me like she do me or she do yes. 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Game of Thrones Season 8 Finale Recap - 15 Minute Break

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Game of Thrones Season 8 Finale Recap - 15 Minute Break

"My little buds told me, there was a podcast rising within the ram as master of whispers, I pride myself on having is throughout the kingdom's I listened to the clock. Dodgers podcast as any wise. Men shoot. Subscribe podcast are coming. And she met at the slavers of Astor pool. Chill? No input. The slavers complained after all, they were even men. When she crucified hundreds of MIR knees nobles, who could argue they were evil men. The Dauth Raqi coz she burned alive. They would have done worse to her. Have you? She goes evil men die, and we cheer for it. And she grows more powerful than more sure that she is good. And right. She believes a destiny is to build a better world for everyone. If you believe that. You truly believed it, wouldn't you kill whoever stood between you in paradise walk up to the clock. Dodgers podcast. I'm your host Neal. This is a fifteen minute break game of thrones recap for the season. Finale episode six of season, eight, it's over. It's all over man. This is it. It's done. It's the, the journey that we've been on for ten years is over. If you have not seen the finale for game of thrones in turn this damn episode off because whereabout to this shit. Add it for you. I don't wanna hear anybody complaining about it. We have a lot to discuss if fifteen minutes. So this episode maybe rushed, just like season eight of Gema throws. I had to say that it was too easy. It was easy to take the shot I had to take it. But listen before we get into anything else. Can we, please give Peter Dink ledge major fucking love for killing his role that little clip from the show, right there from the show? I mean, you know, I don't think it's any question that he was the best actor on this show this episode put his, you know, his his skills on display. One last time, I'm going to miss Tyrian a lot man, I was a dote character. No matter what you say about game of thrones. I mean, you gotta admit that Tyrian is one of the best characters you've ever seen on our show, period. He killed that role. Now, let's get onto some press matters for those who have been asking, for just straight up my feelings on the finale and game of thrones as a whole obviously because I do this podcast weekly for the game of thrones. Recaps we've been doing it for a few years now. You know you wanted to know what I thought about it. A lot of people have been really hard on it. I've been Cape in for game of thrones. Upper in protecting. You know, I, I, I haven't criticized it as heavily as some have as a whole, it's still my top show ever. And again, full disclosure for any new listeners. This is the first time you've ever heard the podcast I have not seen every show in the world, yet, not even some of the shows that many claim to be the best shows ever shows like the wire breaking bad. There's, there's tons of them. I, I haven't seen them all. So I have I have an opportunity to go back, still and watch those shows and will they change my point of view. I don't know. I don't know how to see them still so don't scream. The wire was better Brigham by was better. I get it. It's cool. Like, it's your opinion. Right. We're all we all have we all have that choice? I have an opinion and for me game of thrones whether it disappointed, you're not is my favorite show ever. And as his what it is. I'm not saying it's your favourite show ever. It's my favorite show ever. See how that works. I must say also that game of thrones. For everything that, you know, people say about it. We, we seen on a weekly basis, how many viewers it had. We seen that. It crushed it year after year. This is a big win for like science fiction fantasy type TV shows. I can't think of another TV show that was in that you know that fictional space with dragons, and, you know, stuff like that, that ever reached the level of the heights of game of thrones. Right. So or even got close to it for that matter. Obviously Walking Dead has done pretty well. It's been around forever, though. And there there's a few other ones that are that are pretty good. There's not an honest saying that they're bad. But there's you know, there's plenty of movies that have done really well in that space. But for TV shows, I feel like it did really well. And I don't know if he will thought that it ever could be done on a TV show level. Like, you know, you hear a lot of people, especially when game of thrones like I came out, then as it started to bubble that has the whole world's are talking about it. You always have the. I don't like dragons. I don't watch dragons for I was the same way. I was the same way even with even with Walking Dead and stuff like zombies. I don't watch ambi- movies. They do nothing for me. But I like Walking Dead, right? Like walking to, you know and so game of thrones, you know, you gotta give some credit to that. Because I don't know you know, if, if more will come because of that, because of the success that it had, you know, we'll see, you know, obviously, we consumed it ridiculously high levels. I'm down for them to give us more. I know prequels and sequels have been talked about Siamese for them. I'm not in a rush necessarily, but I would one hundred percent beyond board. I know has been confirmed that at least one is coming for prequel. I think set like five thousand years before everything we watched on game of thrones. So we won't see the same character as the actors nothing like that. But you know, I'm down for it. I hope it's good. Here's my take, though, on the finale episode we could sit here and pick this thing apart. We, we. Weakened tear it down left. And right. If we wanted to we could think of outcomes that we would prefer the list of should've and could've would really never end. We put our mind to it. However, I'm not mad how it ended. I understand why it ended this way. And I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it the shortened season and the quickness that we've discussed on past episodes, certainly sucked. Right. We know the show moved at an incredible pace, especially this season. Which definitely brought a set of issues into question. There's no doubt about it. Anyone who's been listening to me, this whole time you could say, 'i stand for the show, you could say up on my Cape on even joke about it. But in reality, no one's going to deny the fact that the show moved to fuck fast. Right. That still doesn't ruin the show for me. Right. A water bottle of Starbucks Cup. They don't ruin the show for me. I honest honestly did not see those things watching the show. So we're just lets you know that they didn't affect my view in of the show, we with this particular episode, my only question would brand being the king is I this dude knew all along, how this shit was gonna play out and in previous episodes, he kept acting all three I raven. And, you know, at the last episode flips the script, like, what, what do you think I've come all this way for like you said you do wash it no more, bro? You said you didn't want anything. The fuck. So I can look past this past because I get the big picture, right? I get the big picture. I get why they did it. I also understand, like this kind of been the plan, all along. And again, the rush season may be made it harder. See I, I try to I try to, you know how this perspective where if the season wasn't rush if there was two more seasons ago. If we even just had a full ten episodes, this season or something, I would understand that you would build this out a little bit better for me, right? You, you kinda gave it to me like every other TV show would still better than those TV shows. But you kind of give you kind delivered it to me like some of those other shows would that I wouldn't put as the best shows ever. So even with that I still put you at the top for me. But. That, that was that kind of fucked with me, as far as him being the king, I get no problem with it. But, you know, I I you know, that's kind of issue with the brand situation on the other rush scene. For me was when John killed in ariz-. They literally, you know they have this beautiful scene as emotional, he does what he has to do. The dragon does what did it has to do with fuck it breaks the wheel, basically, it does what the nurse wanted to do by Milton thrown in shit? But, you know, I wanted to see like the whole time, it's happening. I go, but what happens now? Like you know what? What, what happens when they find out that John Kielder, you know, are they gonna he's got to fight his way out of this place? What's going to happen, and you described it skipped it? You just you're like, okay, two weeks later Johnson jail, like, come on man that we could have had a really awesome scene there. So these are the things I'm talking about that, when you rushed it, you took what you would have normally gave us and pass seasons. I'm not gonna say the show. I'm not gonna take the show off my top list because of that. But I, I wish it would have been there. I'm gonna feel. You know, we'd never got that. So then we deserved also would've loved to see great women Jon snow, you know, dote out without it. We've been dope. I thought it was going to happen the way he started playing this step. So it out. But again, if you gave us a regular episode you probably would've gave his that I'll go on record saying that I would have been a hundred percent satisfied with denarius live in and being the Queen and scored in the seven kingdoms over the brand outcome. I, I would have preferred denarius still being the Queen and doing whatever, you know, shish she had to do game of thrones. Always gave me chaos and so end in it that way would've worked for me. I could've took I, I would have handled the dark end I would live with that. I would have enjoyed that what a preferred that because game of thrones always gave me what I didn't expect game of thrones, you know, show that it didn't always have to go the happy way. So I would I prefer, I would have preferred that not saying I'm knocking the brand outcome. But I would have preferred that. HBO wanted ten seasons. The game of thrones. We wanted ten seasons of game of thrones. The guys in charge of giving us ten seasons. Didn't want it that way, therefore they rushed a couple of seasons and we got what we got again, even with that. It's still my favorite show. I have not seen the wire, I've not seen breaking bad. I have not finished some other seasons of shows. Yes, you're right. Calmed down. It's still my favorite show. It's just is what it is. Honestly, no matter how this show ended, they would never please everyone. That's just how life works. That's how great things work. They would never have pleased everybody. George r r Martin who is the writer of the game of thrones books to true creator he. No. He wrote he writes, the books he had this to say in regards to how hill end the books. How would all end this is quote? This is Dr Martin quote. How will it all end? I hear people asking Martin writes, the same as the show different. Well, yes. And no. And yes, and no. And yes, and no. And yes, I'm working in very different media. Than David and Dan, never forget they had six hours for this final season. I expect these last two books of mine will three thousand manuscript pages between them before. I'm done. So he's not even saying that his won't end this way. Don't forget, the George Martin did work with these guys to help create the show. So he may have told them how he plans on end in it in a quick version. And that's what we got a quick version of it. He has more characters in his books. He's in a play things out. He has that luxury to play it all out in his books, which the guys didn't want to do for whatever the reason was right. I can't you know, I can't speak to that. I have no clue why they wanted to, to rush it that way. But for sure it does make me wanna go read the books. I've never read the books. I know that would be a task. How I'm not exactly. I've never exactly taken on anything of that magnitude reading wise lately, at least, but it's kinda does pique my interest. Now, more just to see how he's gonna do it, which he's been right in this last book, I think for like seven years or something. Easy like that for anyone who wants to read a really good breakdown on how the show ended in some different thoughts on it. I did come across which are highly recommended article by got him. David Crowe for den of geek dot com. Call this was always the end in I after every episode I start frigging hitting up all the sites is he? Hi. Everybody else felt about it. You know what I mean? The ringer always has good stuff. I think New York Times has some pretty good stuff. So, yeah, I just jump into them, but his article specific quote, this from his article he said in truth, though, I doubt, one end in Cassatt, Asai, even a majority as I've seen some argued that the series finale played it safe. While others bemoaning that deniers would never do that, or that what is the point of John snow with his secret, parentage does not become king to all of which I cannot help thinking about a certain Ramsay snow. What a quote that he wants said he said, Ramsay snow wants to on the show. If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention. I think that's an important mentioned from David and his article. It's just the way things are man. Ramsey had it right. He was a evil dude. He was an evil do, but he knew some. She was a smart guy, man. This in for me. This has been a really fun journey which you guys recap review in game at thrones. I've enjoyed the show. You know, in discussing everyone, I've talked with our people on Twitter, Instagram, all the group chats off-line everything, and it's been really fun. And I think it's important to mention that, you know, no matter how the show made you feel the end no matter whether you are disappointed or satisfied. It was something that brought us together each week, you know, fully immersed in the seven keenum's. And to me, that was worth it. And we can't forget that. I don't know if you have another show that has that if you have another show that you've listened to podcasts for that you've read tons of articles for that. You've had hours of conversations for ten years on, if you have another show, that's done that for you by all means put it at your number one by all means but for. Me game of thrones is one of the only show as I ever ever would read all the articles on have conversation endless conversations on do it for years upon years, do podcast episodes about it only show only so that's why it's at the top for me. If you have suggestions to do these fifteen minute break episodes for another show. Send me a tweet him. Yeah. Let's talk about it this even worth it. At clock. Dodgers for that, obviously, we have tons of other content to get to. So even though game of thrones just ended clock. Dodgers, we'll continue to bring you nonstop content. Be on the lookout for the next episode. Please don't forget to subscribe, and review. I know some of you are listening, maybe just for the game at their own stuff, and that's cool. But I appreciate if you do subscribe to the show, if you're not already subscribe leave a review even if you just listened for the game with their own stuff in house down, you're like peace. I'm outta this bitch. That's cool. 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Tolkien Q&A - George R.R. Martin - Dome Karukoski - Nicholas Hoult - Lily Collins

The Q&A with Jeff Goldsmith

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Tolkien Q&A - George R.R. Martin - Dome Karukoski - Nicholas Hoult - Lily Collins

"Without a doubt, George Martin was influenced by JR Tolkien. And I think it goes a bit beyond the are ours. Howdy. I'm Jeff Goldsmith. And this is the QNA. My gender is simple. Each week. I plan to bring you in depth insights into the creative process of storytelling, folks. This was a fun Q and A attended in the fine folks at FOX searchlight were kind enough to let me share it with you. So I think them for making this entire episode possible. It was recorded the premier for Tolkien the village theater in Westwood earlier this week when game of thrones novelist, George are Martin moderated Acuna with Tolkien's director dome. Kiro Kaczynski and actors Nicolas whole to plays a young JR Tolkien and lily Collins who plays his future wife, Edith Bratt. I gotta say I quite enjoyed the film, and it gives insights into the man himself before he wrote the hobbit and Lord of the rings trilogy, and even provides a peek into the beginning of his long process to write the hobbit, which I of course, wanted more of but was quite happy to have. Was there? So hope you go see the film about this legendary writer after you hear this full chat of admiration for toll keen that highlights the respect these folks have for the man and his work. So I know you'll dig this episode and speaking of things to dig I hope you'll also check out the brand new issue issue. Thirty seven of backstory magazine, it's our ventures in game issue, which you could read at backstory dot net. That's right. You could read the entire magazine they're on a desktop laptop. And also the are Pat app or on an Android via Google play. We've got nearly twelve thousand words between our spoiler filled. Indepth interviews with writers, Markus and mcfeely and directors the Russo brothers as we talk about avengers endgame, and even take an in-depth look back at avengers Infinity war, and it was really fun to be able to shine a light as to how this box office record. Breaking film was made. If you've never read us before you could test drive us by reading issue one. It's a free issue at backstory dot net. And then I hope you'll consider subscribing by the way if you'd like. To attend one of my screenings here in Los Angeles. It's generally free to do. So and you could sign up at backstory dot net. Just click on the screenings tab, and you could sign up to get on our free invite list, which would allow you to bring a guest, but now without any further. Do let's jump right into the village west with eater as the QNA began with novelist and moderator George are Martin who will interview director dome, karaoke, hausky and actors nNcholas Holt and lily Collins who chat about their latest film token. Thank you. And thank you for coming. So did you enjoy the movie? Yeah. It's a pretty it's a pretty amazing work of art. I saw it myself a few days ago. And of course, I've been a token fan since I was a witch child. I think of twelve or thirteen. And as a writer, I've always been fascinated by the man behind the stories, and what I love about this movie. Is it gives us a glimpse of the man behind the stories? You know token. Wrote the hobbit in the thirties and loaded rings was published in the fifties. He didn't really become well known though until the paperbacks came out in the United States in the in the sixties, and suddenly this relatively obscure British fantasists was a worldwide phenomenon and the picture we got of him at that stage was. Of elderly Oxford done, philology and expert in languages and expert in beowulf. It's kind of startling though to think that he was he was a young man of very vital young, man. A student at Oxford and his friends at came for that he had this extraordinary friendship with other people. And of course, his love story, which I think is an amazingly romantic story that this film captures beautifully will. And it's nice to see this. Viewpoint of of what what token was like when he was young and of the events that shaped him, including of course, all the ugliness of World War One and what he and his friends suffered during that war. So I found the film profoundly moving and congratulations to you folks who who helped make it that. So let's let's start to discussion with our director here and tell us a little about the the history of how this film came to be in your your role in involving that. Have you always been a token fanatic? Did you know his work from from the beginning? And. I live touched based on the introduction. But in in a way toll commend to me as pointed out in the beginning being in the loan bullied, and an outcast and outsider allows you. He's stories I read the loitering 's and I went to the hobby that age of fifty s he limited in came. We were talking about how difficult it was read as young man and intriguing. It's now become my favorite of his books and in terms of ride into class of writing Lord of rings still holds that place. I mean, how shapes woods, and how shapes sentences, but similarly in being the depth, and the story of history, the story of people he's sort of people that you see in this film which much touches base. So perhaps in Lillian has become that most meaningful art piece regarding this Phil for me, so most of this mall, hints, or you might call them inside Easter eggs or the moments of revelation to him are actually divided deriving from this. And not necessarily you have to read them, you fifth sense that so for me coming to this project was intriguing because I got sent the script by the producers by major by foot FOX, I lead whom I had met earlier, and I didn't know about this time of his life. You know, I had the same vision of him. You know, debating would see us Louis at the baby in the burden, you know, smoking pipe, and and showing someone shouts not under oath. And you get this feeling that he's very league he's still privileged Oxford in and then suddenly the story, you know, often the person who has to struggle through classes struggle to life from darkness into light. It was something mesmerizing that needed to be told. Nncholas how about you were you. Had you read token before this part came your way were you a fan? I was a fun. Yeah. I I read the whole bit because it was given to me by the directors of about a boy on the on the of that film. So I've read that then and then and then it was pretty shortly after that the Lord of the rings movies came along. So I read the books and then watch the films, and then I played the Pokemon called came out grown up. And that was that was the Lord of the rings card game which felt like a much more grown up version of I've stay off the schools and complained that as well. So it was incredible thing where he'd been a big part of my of my childhood. And then this came along. And I've realized that I was mispronouncing his name by also knew nothing about what had. So I said, wow. There's this remarkable story behind all this mythology. I knew nothing about an regardless of what he then created. This is an incredible story about this young man, losing his parents, and then finding love and friendship and all this inspiration to create and also having those taken away from him because of the war. So yeah, it was a story that stood alone. And something that I found incredible to discover him. I think one of the cool things about this film is even oh token is is. You know, one of the great writers the twentieth century and his his works is published all over the world. But you don't actually have to know much about his work to enjoy this film. It can be enjoyed simply as a film about friendship and love and what that generation the World War One generation when went through it's done. I was saying this. There's levels of Easter eggs hidden within it, some even I wouldn't have gotten the references to be honest. I can video couple. But I mean, the level is discussed a lot of with Nick that not necessarily sorry to interrupt you buy. But I mean, the thing is that forced is similarly moment when he creates a two trees valley, nor Darden's doesn't have to know that as the first idea whole kind of idea that I had is that every glimpse every moment that you see in the film, which, you know, basically, it was bringing in while I was shooting, and while, you know, for instance, they lost shot of him confronting the ultimate evil. If you remember on the shoot, it's one of the second loss shots of the whole film. I mean few shoot when basically Tolkien rises against the Lord of evil. It's not yet more goes, it's not yet moment of funeral phone with confronting more. Goes is not yet Gondal confronting the ball, Rog. But it's very sensual into his, and that's shot from ISIS, we shot like, we did it wasn't in the script. But it was an idea of that's feeling when we aren't set shooting this horrifying war that he must have felt this so shout into Nick come here. Come here. Let's take this camera here. Let's do this. You know, that feeling emotion can Bill. Adding these very lay elements of coming from his own emotion as an person that he felt how vein it is go up. How vain the battle must be as those who know read this letter, leeann fingle going towards more growth is quite way, you kind of know that he's gonna win. So there are layers in there, but you don't necessarily have to know a read the model and to enjoy that moment. So little your your involvement. You were you were telling me outside that you almost played an elf in one of the Peter Jackson by almost most. I mean, I was one of probably hundreds at audition. Yes. You still have your pointed ears idea. I do I thought would it be too much to where tonight, and I did not wear them. Sadly, I know I probably should have. But there are a few people in audience that are rocking them. So. Right. Yeah. There you go. I am internally one of you. I'm just not wearing them tonight. But yeah, I was a fan of Tolkien's work ever since I was little I grew up in the English countryside running around, what looked to be Shire Lewis Shire world to me, pretending they're elves and fairies in the trees, and basically already in that world and then. I think probably seven years ago. Maybe if not longer they were auditioning for Evangeline Lilly's part in the movies. And I was one of like, I said probably hundreds and never even made it to the level that it would have been to be considered. But the other lily got it and. And so I don't know it was it was interesting. I wouldn't have thought that years later. I would've ended up playing the woman who inspired the character. So it just proved to me that you can be you may not always be everyone's version of something. But if you're one person's version, that's all that matters. And so. It was I laughed myself. When I found out it was doing until how we do the costing process is that amid Nick he was of course, you started talking Mitnick when London and we was through shaping the script. So that time I wanted didn't want to show him the script. It's just ended up talking for an hour and a half. And after that, I just knew that. Okay. That's our token her, of course, she resides in Los Angeles. I was costing England and was Skyping to talk about it. And you mentioned it earlier in the introduction that your vision of what an elven Pence's fails like a day just thirteen right? Looks like and then you know, when you Skype this always a problem this distance because this gloss that's actual a dimension between you and her shine and kind of explosive warmth that came through that glossed Kim through the dimension was something I felt token must've felt. When he was there in the forest looking at her dawns, and then creating delay of Barron Lucienne. So that moment that warmth explosiveness was like, there's there's new theme. There's never lady. Did you know before you that's a scripted, you know, much about tokens life. And I didn't I sad because I'm someone like you. I love the story behind the story. And I couldn't believe that. I hadn't taken more time to learn about talking himself and then doing research on Edith, unfortunately, for a woman of that time in her stature social standing being an orphan, there's very little research to be done about her as well. So I was not aware of who. She was the second. I found out. I was like a no brainer to be a part of something. Like this. If you're not familiar with his life story. A lot of people are startled to think of token as someone who has romantic, I mean, he's romantic in the old sense of the romantic poets and all that Middle Earth is suffused with that capital our romance. But. Though, the love story in his real life. Was so intense and the powerful I think the this hope that still alive it's like the idea that they were orphans in their first and foremost friends, and then they were each other's confidantes and source of escapism. And then they became the baron and Lucienne story that was written on their gravestones until their eighties. When they visited those. Need to take a field trip out there? You might talking about the images pictures, you folks, some of the prep that I could do because there was very little to be said about Edith were photographs of the two of them or some solos of her. But there's always this kind of deep set cheeky nece behind her eyes. And they're both there is in these pictures, and they just look like that old coupled bicker and call each other out on things but really love each other like the ultimate couple goals. And I think that it's true. And it's something that I think people could write off as something of just made up in the movies. But it's not and they were each other's one. And only loves and I think it's it's a beautiful story that I don't think like, you said people don't know. Profound and his friendships were also very important to them, the the friends he made it that at Oxford and Cambridge many of whom unfortunately did not make it through the carnage of the first World War. How how much did you research those and the lives the tragically cut short flights of of his friends? I think we both did our own research in different layers and discussed a lot together about it. But I started with just digging about everything read everything I met every every Tolkien expert that I could meet that the point and every token expert will have a different kind of story and also different way to pronounce the name was actually wanted to pronounce it toll key. And every time, you know, he talk say, well, you know, keen, of course, and then because will keen on you know, you know, you have different interpretations and different characters. And I read everything and I need. There's a lotta lets us. Yeah. The interpretation the in the relationships on. And that's what I found useful has letters mainly that was a big takeaway from the film actually was this idea of these young boys setting out to change the world through art. And then and then token finding this safe place to create an express himself with that friendship group. But then losing the mole feeling like he's still had to carry that torch forward after their voices were lost. And that's kind of my big takeaway from the movie, I think is like all the voices that we lost because of that war and all the that would have been created the we didn't get to receive. So we're very fortunate that we go his work essentially the drudge to the tragedies that so many lost. And there's one to tell their story who will lost. And I think that's what he did. Maybe not direct one on one inspirations, you know, the they were actually more when you read his letters, and and he's stories, and is they were more visited the. But it was always these four, you know, I think it was total eight or nine members who were there for a week, and or something and Tolkien himself wrote to the other members Gilson Weisman beige Smith Smith that it is us for this is immortal four, and and he was adamant about we should keep out all the rest. And you can actually get that you can get Jeffries book of poetry with the Ford by by token as well if anyone's interested. That we have some questions that were submitted by members of the audience and the the members of legion and one ring. So let me throw in a few few those that are sort of interesting here or one question here for for all three of you is what was your favorite scene to film? And why was it your favorite? Take my favorite team was the grand cafe saying the Lillian I did because first of all it was a scene that domain was very protective of normally when you read the script if there's like seven or eight page dialogue scene. That's the first thing to be cut down as as the schedule starts to get tighter. And tighter. But dummy it was very protective of this idea of the first time you see the adult versions of these characters getting to really sit with them spend time with them and understand their love. And I think it's a scene where we have a lot of fun playing it. But also, you see how Edith inspires pushes and pokes Tolkien to create an also getting the glimpse into his love of language and imagination. And that's something that I didn't know before reading the script. Door cellar door. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So it's one of those things where my that was something that I was astounded by reading about token, all these worlds and creations stemmed from his love of language so getting to kind of try, and then interpret that onto screen was something that I really loved and they did that they actually did that they will throw sugar cubes on which people's hats. We have the same that scene. Plus, just the the non verbal the non dialogue scene of outside the opera when we're every enacting the opera because both scenes get you get to see how they felt like outsiders, and they were very poised and put together for their time. But on the flip side, they were silly. They were goofy. They did throw sugar cubes. They did reenact things have costumes so getting to show someone about period almost mimicking themselves is very rare. And I thought it made it very realistic. And we got to improv and have fun and silly. And that was really fun. We'll have to favorite scenes and into one is basically that opera scene. Back alley opposite, which I kind of built into the script because I've read about some of you her the Tolkien used address tonight and the scare people industry of Oxford. And and I was trying to fit that in descript was difficult. We're doing it film about a relaxed person. Sometimes you hear these wonderful stories segments, but you can't fit them into certain dramatical narrative. So that the motion and emotional flow is coherent. So how do you wash that the characters or that your true emotional truths of the cactus? So that's why I built the scene where talkie and with Edith dresses up. They don't scare what kind of play that their own music their own history together. And then the second one, which is because I approached a war because there's not much documentation about his wartime. And the thing we had a versions which were more factual and the emotion and income through what is feeling of war. It felt more of more historical than like. So then we went into this thought that have this thought that what if he's all this time during this film dreaming? He's he's lying Southampton. He's his hospital, and that's his dream of war. So not necessarily everything element has to be factually true. But it is emotional takeaway. So of course, the climax of that is the big charge going over the top which he actually did when they go with the Heston line, historically. We don't know we don't know how many times the a gun, we don't know those facts, but we know that he experienced that going over the top and how insane that warfare is. And how Bain it is. And how the war must have felt for him. That's kind of my second favorite scene because we also shot it during a two week period. Token, always. Resisted the suggestion that his his worst were inspired. Well by his experiences, more one. And also, of course, he adamantly resisted the suggestion that anything into books was inspired by World War Two. And you know, the people who said sour on his Hitler. And that kind of thing he yes, he hated that. Did you did you wrestle with that issue when you were? You know, putting this together. Well, I think the Hitler note, of course, becomes because he was kind of pressured at time to try to get a headline in a way that personality thing but understand as an artist you might actually also this better. He's an artist. You also try to neglect. The fact that you don't have direct. I mean, I never had one on one is perations. The film doesn't try to portray the one to one. He's perations. I mean, the drive ins on the flame thrower us, of course, or this not specific element in the war that is barred him to but you built you shape. You see something that builds into something if if you say Boto in the books is a creature fire shadow where do you see fire and shadow that's explosions. So it doesn't doesn't mean that bottle case an explosion, but defects, you builds shapes who you are. So I approach it in the theme that everything that he kind of touched his doing this film, every vision every sound the sound of the trees when wind hits. Them everything. There is something that shaves his mind. So the film, I know maybe use papers headlines tried to say this is what they spire, but we didn't intend to that. We're not trying to show accurate one. Oh, one is perations. He only named a few barren Lucienne to dance this sort of cool level, which is a Finnish mythology coming from my country from Kalevala. Then is by interim body. There's only a few that he directly mentioned this is one. Oh one. And that I believe is true. I think will one wasn't his more. But I think the motionless experience took away there is very relatable to almost every character. They an innocent character journeys into war, and there's a corruption of his mind, and this destruction he's felt that he seeing that with his fellow soldiers. So that's what you're trying to show. I did want to mention the Finnish national epic the Kalevala has. And I I did want to ask you about that. I mean, I'm I'm fatally aware of the existence of this. But I've never actually read it. How wrong influence d do you think it was on Lord of the rings or the similar land? I think more on this because he got to know the color of all the time when he wrote this letter, which he wrote before the Hobbiton before we. Started writing this before or elements in so call it, basically, it's a much harsher, and they hit the bottom vitamin and is much more Melvin character, you know, much evil character evil, but selfish. So it's not I don't think it's such it isn't a battle of good and evil, but it's tied to nature and other thing that's effected him a lot in from the villa and the language as many of you don't know Phoenix language in kailua. What was the also has a very, much inspired elven language Kenya? His his love of language. Of course, it was one of the defining characteristics of token, and he said a very high bar for all of us other fantasies to try to follow. I tell you, you know, he invented entire languages. I just fake it. On HBO came up when I showed game of thrones HBO, and and you know, they're saying, well, we have to have entire scenes here that are in Dauth rock guy. Can you send us your your Rakai book and syntax and rules, and you know, and token had been asked that he would have responded promptly with gigantic things on his his different Elvis languages or dwarf. Issur Bill language of the men of new minore? I had to say. Invented like, eight words of death rock. You'd better hire guy who can invent the rest of the language and they did. So. What management which actually we also did just short phrases that we actually hired a professor of English section who holds Tolkien's share in Oxford because the language is to Kenya of the quantity is not yet finished. He's on his way that he has an invented they'll is yet. So that's why it's creating language of the ferries. So we have to invent our own language economy. Aquaria nNcholas how is your Finnish nowadays, by the way? Very good. Now that was something that was difficult about the film because it was one of those things what by I'd get sent through the pages. And I'd I'd read what I thought was written on the page, and then not hear a recording. And I'd be like, well, this just doesn't. It doesn't match up that sounds in there that just on less on the page or vice versa. So I had to kind of listen to it, and then phonetically right to out and then go back and put the meaning back into what I was saying because I had no idea what was going on to be honest with you Phuc, some jumping in really quick to tell you all about backstory magazine, which you could read on a desktop laptop ipad or even on an Android tablet via Google play. We recently published issued thirty seven which is our avengers in game issue in issue. Thirty seven you'll find nearly twelve thousand words of in-depth. Spoiler specific interviews with in co writers, Christopher Markus and Stephen mcfeely plus co directors the Russo brothers as they all break down. What went into some of in games, most important scenes, heck, we even took a look back at the lessons of avengers Infinity wars. 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Our Martin continues interviewing director dome, karaoke, hausky and actors nNcholas Holt and lily Collins about their latest film toll keen at the Salvator saying, of course, was one of my favorites too. I think that's a a marvelous scene for the the two characters and all that. But I also loved. The scene where he gets up and quotes Chaucer from memory, even though his book has been stolen here. And can you quote Chaucer from Maryland? Harry Gilby who played the younger Tolkien. These here this evening. Unfortunately, don't do trouser. You don't get to bail out actually here because we discussed everything that is in this film. Even though it's young version of you. You have done an experienced. So I think in my mind you should now. Recite chaucer. The young okay. Down that rabbit hole performing mobbing. No rabbits hobbits. You mention your character was the inspiration for Tolkien's woman. Which woman would you say eah win Galadriel Luther Lutheran? That their love story. I think is what resonated strongly with me specifically. But also it was on their tombstones. Each other's ultimate love, you know, you have a a human male and elven Princess and kind of that forlorn love and everlasting love. And I think he he just drew so much inspiration from her, and the fact that they you know, they were each one each other's one and only loves until death and had on their tombstone. I mean that it just was so moving to me and for for generations to come. I think also see echoes Edith in glad real or you win or. Goes to bud lot which is intriguing because there's not that much. She's our own female figure basically in the film, of course, with Mabel Tolkien, the mother. And intriguingly. You look at tokens mythologies Galadriel is one of the most strongest Elvis else if not the strongest of the first born. Even a man can kill the witch king, but women can there are several really strong female cactus. And I think that became because when you read and look at their life and unity that the became a thing. Tolkien looked very much up to Edith, even though we know she was home, and she was taking care of their children, which is new does normal that that time. But yet the same thing see she's spot, and she inspired him very much. We're doing our last question. I'm being shown a clock. Let we're out of time. Ready this one more one, okay? Well, let me say we have a lot of good questions here. Damn what is your favorite book or the book that made the most impact on you? Doesn't have to be token. Hang on. That's why I second guess. And don't say they'll say game of thrones. That's right out. Favorite book? That's quite difficult question to answer. That'd be announced this, okay? My favorite books is great Gatsby because I wait God. Yes. When I got to know my dad, he was living in New York. I was late teen, and we're driving to meet my sister's Rhode Island, and I would basically on the way to New York to Rhode Island read the great Gatsby. So there's this voyage. And you're basically right as tweeted that was a big affect after loitering, which I read before and now as an older age, I would say seal Melian, he's a big effect on my storytelling. I talked about the great cat street. We had a thing here in the US. The great American read that was on a few months ago and oddly enough to two books that I talked about as profound influence on may were ordered rings and the great Gatsby. Both of which among other things have strangely. I think one thing in common, which is an absolutely kick ass ending. I think the ending last page the last sentence of a book is the last thing that you go away with and God, the ending and a great Gatsby with the green light at the end today's he stuck and and so we beat on both against the current beautiful and be ending of Lord of the rings. When when Sam comes home. Yeah. Amazing. So lily your book. Well, you already said not to say yours. So I'm off the hook. Because. I gotta say all the Harry Potters. I oh good. Oh, good. Thank god. Don't get me started. Okay. I will get out. I would bring those books with be into stores and sit in the corner and just like if my mom was doing something market shopping. I'd bring it. I be reading it in the corner somewhere. I should wear would these. Where would these sorting head put you Griffin door? No that all the movies every that's my this is my geek out phase. Sorry. I know we're here for like Lord of the rings and the hobbit, but I'm also Harry Potter. Okay. But Gandalf could kick Dumbledore says. I'm going east of and in this moment, east of it. Yeah. Well, that's a great great book. Why why what I love? I love the volition of the families through the story. There's also a one paragraph that I have written off on my wall about the introduction of Tom at. It's just it just captures that carrot too. So puff the moment where it's like someone. I'd wanna be but also failing at the same time and don't ask me to quite a right now because able to under this pressure, but it's just one of those things where like his writing in that book, I loved how evolved through those families. Now, you should be able to recite it in old English like Chaucer. Are we are we really out of time here? Yes. And to wrap it up. Okay. For most we would love to give you actually the poems from jeffer- Bache myth. Oh, amazing. Unless as a as a that is authentic. And then thank you to introduce Finland. It's a Phil. When new guys talk about feelings. So it's a film about song. Not mine. Okay. I did. I did. I don't know if they use Suomi on the Stephen Colbert show a few months ago, where we were talking about my my book came out in November. But also about token Kobe's, a huge token geek, and he was pressing me for two differences between my books and tokens and dance. Right. Came up was porn. No, there's no porn in Middle Earth. I did I don't even know where they come from. Because we're where two female orcs where do your cats and Steven Steven could not answer that but gone. Have you seen them? No. Door exactly. Anyway, I we're out of time. Just when we hitting or. Thank you so much. And you know, I'm I'm. Go forth and blog about what a wonderful movie, it is and tell all your friends and go see it again. Thank you. Thank you. And that's how the Cubanacan would down special. Thanks again to FOX searchlight for allowing us to podcast this fun QNA. And of course, to the fine folks, contributing to this chat, including novelist moderator, George r r Martin director dome karaoke hausky actors Nicolas Holton lily Collins, as they all discussed their latest film toll keen if you dig this podcast. 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TSP099 - Transcendent Tunes: Yesterday, it was scrambled eggs.

The Sill - Perspectives on Art

21:03 min | 2 years ago

TSP099 - Transcendent Tunes: Yesterday, it was scrambled eggs.

"It'll be. I'm jay. But it'd be an he goes. China to a seven to demon. Ready? Okay. Man. Yesterday. Funding. You're listening to the podcast perspectives on art and technology with Peter J and Harry pose ner. Episode ninety-nine transcendent tunes yesterday. It was scrambled eggs. My baby. How I love your legs, not as much as I love scrambled eggs. Oh. Scrabble. Four thousand covers the song yesterday by Paul McCartney, John Lennon, although many people would argue that Lenin had very minimal input creating that he did come up with the title. You'll see two from scrambled eggs. It became yesterday before you go on with that whole Lennon McCartney thing. Yeah. Because all the songs world. And then in slosh McCartney, right? Try to change it to McCartney Lennon for that particular song. Well, miss Yoko Ono put her heavy foot down said no way Jose to that change in Paul said. Okay. Fine. That's that. So where did this tune come from a dream came from a dream nineteen sixty three chance to dream pretend to dream to sing protested? So he wakes up stream, he's in his girlfriend's attic bedroom. Jane Asher, and he has this melody but no words. So he decides to put nonsense words to it. And the nonsense words were what we say. Just before. So he and John had a hoot for the next couple of years, every time the song, come up. We'll be a running joke for them to be singing scrambled eggs, but two years later, the words do arrive. And Paul goes to Portugal may have nine hundred sixty five that's right. And he boroughs acoustic guitar from a buddy of his there in Portugal and the lyrics come to him. There's a quote here where he talks about the lyrics. He says, I remember mulling over the tune yesterday and suddenly, getting these little one word openings to the verse, I started to develop the idea Dada yesterday suddenly funded Lee merrily and yesterday. That's good. All my trouble seem so far away. It's easy to rhyme. Those as say today away play stay there's a lot of Ryan's in those fall in quite easily. So I gradually piece it together from that journey suddenly and be again another. Z rhyme. E me, tree flee we had the basis of it. So those are the lyrics came together in Portugal, which we can read for you. Now, if you like sure pardon, my paper, shuffling the lyrics go yesterday. All my troubles seem so far away. Now it looks as though they're here to stay. Or I believe in yesterday, suddenly, I'm not half the man, I used to be there's a shadow hanging over me. Oh, yesterday came suddenly why she had to go. I don't know. She wouldn't say I said something wrong. Now I long for yesterday yesterday. Love with such an easy game to play. Now I need a place to hide away or why believe in yesterday why she had to go. I don't know. She wouldn't say I said something wrong. Now I long for yesterday yesterday. Love with such an easy game to play. Now I need a place to hide away. Or I believe in yesterday, but all my baby how I love your leg. Don't scramble the lyrics. So those are the lyrics very simple lyric. Love lost regret. Typical early Beadle material based on men, women relationships the usual stuff and the wonder of it is that the tune itself only takes about two minutes, nodal and average songs in those days, more around three three in a bed weren't that time. This is quite truncated when you think about ops on. And so this little kind of ditty, in a way, which really when you think of the Yarra, it's been called a baroque pop song, because George Martin suggested bringing a string quartet into the song. In fact, it was one of the first pop songs to have a string quartet in. Yeah. And other. I, of course, was the first Beatles song for one of the Beatles to record solo and to include on an album. And so people have suggested that this particular moment in time. Was the beginning of the rift, that would see the Beatles breaking up. And one of the noble that some two is really they went your acoustic apart from the strings. There was only an acoustic guitar. That's right. I think they had John playing Oregon at on one of the takes. Yeah, and that didn't work. So they said, okay, just do it yourself. But the thing was recorded, but it took two years. Didn't it before it actually off and on there were comes to the studios, and apparently, Paul would always be humming it or playing it almost to the annoyance of the other Beatles at times. That's right. Even on the set of help because yesterday was actually released for the first time on the album help. Yes. In August of nineteen sixty five. Right. And the song it only been recorded from takes. They took the second take we played the first take at the beginning of this podcast. Yep. What on the second they use that? And the actual song was recorded at Abbey Road on June fourteenth nineteen sixty five which was just. Four days prior to Paul's twenty third birthday credible and eight appeared on the insolvent show shortly after. Right. And at the end of the song that, when Paul San yesterday, John apparently said, thank you, Paul. That was just like him. And the song was not universally loved. Nope, bob. Dylan disliked it parents me just find Dylan's, quote enough goes on to record it. Yes, that's right. I will he says, if you go into the library of congress, you can find a lot better than that. There are millions of songs like Michelle and yesterday written and tin pan out. And then, of course later as you say, Harrison joins him they record the song. Yes that again. So that's kind of funny when you really Bobby, come on. So what are you going to say about it? It was ranked thirteenth on rolling. Stone's two thousand and four list of the five hundred greatest songs of all time. You know, there was actually voted the best song of the twentieth century in nineteen ninety nine BBC radio two pole. Yeah. Music experts listeners and was also boated the number one pop song of all time by MTV and Rolling Stone magazine. The following year nineteen ninety seven it was introduced into the Grammy hall of fame seven million performances by over four thousand dollars in the twentieth century. Hello. And I think that ranks third amongst all of the performances and plays on the radio. Everybody out. There is dying to know at one and two are. Well, I'll tell you what they were never mind love, right? The associated over my love and, oh, this is the righteous brother got that love and feeling was played and performed more. It's amazing then yesterday in that year, especially it was also warded outstanding song of nineteen sixty five it won the Ivor Novello award runs. Nanning. Song. It was actually most performed work of the year behind their own composition, Michelle. The sun were focusing on. But if you remember the Beatles. Yep. They're still today. Have that record of the most number one hits, yet of any solo artist or band that ever played. Yeah. Quintin. Number one hits. Listen. I remember in my teenage years, we still a little cigar shop willa Dale. And we had chum FM on and inevitably most of those years. The Beatles always had two three four five hits in the top ten. In fact, in April specifically, April eleventh nineteen sixty four. Yep. They occupied five of the ten top spots. Yes. Incredible, isn't it? Yeah. This is ball. It is incredible. When you also think that the billboard charts since they were started. They've had approximately seventy thousand songs to choose from. Yeah, incredible yesterday was recorded by artists like Frank Sinatra Elvis, Presley Liberace Tammy wha. Net. Daffy duck. We have to find that recording of Daffy duck and play that for vox box mamas in the puppets. Marvin gaye. Ray Charles placebo Domingo. Saying it as well. Chuck Berry said it was very inspirational song so much. You wish it was a song that he had written. Right. Right. Whereas John Lennon wished he hadn't had an party part of it. Right. An interesting quote from Paul himself. Yes. So he said, I reckon yesterday's probably my best song. I like not only because it was a big success. But because it was one of the most instinctive songs I've ever written. I was so proud of it. I felt it was an original tune. The most complete thing I've ever written. It was very catchy without being stickler. Of course, George Martin. He was interesting. He says, yesterday Blimey he's always talking about that song. You think he was Beethoven or something? Actually that was George Harrison and said that, oh, not George Martin ridge. You're right. Yes. George Harrison said that which is interesting, of course because it's another member of the band who went onto record with Dylan right yesterday. So there you go. Bucks. Fox. Yes. All my. There. All. And the third. Oh, ver- me. Shadow seems to be a safe attached. Watch it up there. Slugs despite the thousands of different and diverse artists who covered the song, only four versions have actually made the charts. Yes, the Beatles Matt Monro. Ray Charles and Marianne faithfull those the only four artists that are made the charts with that song. That's interesting. Wondering why that is because a lot of the times, the song was also used in various live performances, people like Frank Sinatra, for example, who went on stage and recorded versions of these songs. So there wasn't always about getting onto the charts. Right. Exactly. I mean if he -ducted. The beautiful thing. I find about this. Tune is the fact is yes. It's two minutes roughly long. Right. And we're coming up on one hundred podcast not too long from now. Yeah. And the whole point of one hundred podcast to talk about how small is big is mutable in. Here's a small thing that became an earth shaking cultural energy in a way. Conic icon IQ in the same way that, if you years later Jonathan Livingston, seagull, the novella became world famous, as well for short little thing, interestingly, was his prime. In these same years is the beetle. That's right. Sixties to their rig up nineteen seventy right. So for all you people out there who are budding musicians, don't worry about length Nori about writing an opus epic, not only buddy musicians. For the male population in general. Right. Exactly. So, yeah, those budding musicians. Yeah. Just just do your thing. Right. Your song, and even if it's two minutes long, just fine. It's the perfect length for what it is. And what it was right about the song. Yeah. So it gets released on help in August of nineteen sixty five but it does not come out and only in the US as a single until the following month, which is number nineteen sixty five. Right. But in the UK, yes, it doesn't come out as a single until eleven years later in nineteen seventy six. Yeah. It's incredible. In fact, when it came out, they went to Brian Epstein, their manager and other people that said, you know, should be released this as a single not connected to the Beatles. Really? And they all said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You can't do that. You can't separate the Beatles out into singles efforts. And so that idea was. I bashed, which is one of the reasons why there's speculation on the basis of that song, perhaps being the beginning of their break-up. Yeah. Some people say that the inspiration for that song was Paul McCartney's, mother. Yes. Who was a nurse and who died young when he was fourteen correct? And they think maybe that's what he's referring to says yesterday, but he sort of denies that he doesn't think that's you thinks possible, but it's not likely Paul himself questioned whether or not the melody was plagiarized, because he went around looking to see if there was a song that sounded something like yesterday since it came to him in a dream. Right. Right. He wasn't. Sure. And he played it for other musicians composers. And they all said, yeah, it's, it's a Richardson original. However, in two thousand one there was a fellow named Ian Hammond who speculated that McCartney subconsciously based yesterday on Ray, Charles version of hoagy, Carmichael 's Georgia on my mind. Oh, really? That's interesting. Mccartney says. Says it was like, handing in something you'd found at the police station in waiting to see if anyone claimed it as a great analogy for wondering if you work is derivative of something else, ROY also concluded in his article by saying that the spite the similarities yesterday is completely original and individual work. Yeah. According to John who in nineteen eighty said yesterday was entirely Paul's, and that he had nothing whatsoever to do with it. He said, I never wished I'd written it. And I don't believe in yesterday. And it was also performed on the Sullivan show yet and it was done in the F. With McCartney is the only Beatle to perform. However, all the Beatles played in g major version when the song was included in their nineteen sixty five and nineteen sixty six tours. Mccartney apparently appeared on the Howard Stern show, more recently, and he stated that he owns the original lyrics to yesterday written on the back of an envelope. Oh, really? And it must have been written in Portugal, that oval because that's when he actually created the lira. That's right. That's right. Interesting. On the back of envelope. Yeah. Sure. Sure. The Gettysburg address was written on the back of something as well. You know, Hanky or something. When yesterday came out as a single. Yeah, it was the b side of wrinkles, acne. That's right. All they gotta do is act naturally a great tune to Quinlan that tune as well. Yeah. What else can we say about it? I con IQ the third most performed played pop song of the century the twentieth century small, calm, like to make note you recall those years. I wasn't quite a teenager, yet, when they came out, I became a teenager in their mid years. And I recall in that time, the whole generational split when they first came out with a Beatle haircuts, and the Beatles shoes, and everything beetle, and there was this generational gap. Our parents made fun of their hair, and so on, and I remember and specifically song light yesterday were even my father are non coal or someone would say, that's very nice song, having -solutely, Noida area that it was the Beatles. Yes. Because they were known for she loves you. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Right. But their comments always, you know, attacking the idea of the Beatles, not necessarily just the songs. So for the first time and then I can remember the look. On their face. When I said, we'll do you know who that is? You know, who's singing that song? Right. And that is the Beatles, and they're going. Wow. So in many ways, their music did kind of put a cover over that chasm that musical chasm cross the divide between the generations visits, a very kind of an old fashioned tune to, and you with string quartet and simple, melodies sentimental values mental bit mawkish some people would say bit Monday and away low key. But the melody is in a way, what really makes it what so many of their songs. Yeah. The melody, especially non the lyrics so much in this tune necessarily. So, yeah, that's interesting cross the great divide. And people of all ages have come to love the song. And that's a beautiful thing, always on this and other podcasts that we do. We'd love to hear back from you. Oh, yeah. And as we've mentioned, many times at the seal podcast. Dot com. You can was an Email comment voice message immediately just pressing on the right side of the page or on your iphone or your ipad or your computer. There's a red marker, right there on the page. Just type it and record your voice. Don't do it yesterday. Do it today. This is podcast. Number ninety nine number one hundred coming at you soon next week. It actually gets posted on June the tenth. Yeah. After which time we are going to be moving to doing a podcast every two weeks. Yep. We're going to take a little bit more time to develop our ideas. Yeah. 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Beatles Vs. Stones: 1968 - Sympathy for the White Album? Featuring Whitney Page

Pantheon

1:21:15 hr | 9 months ago

Beatles Vs. Stones: 1968 - Sympathy for the White Album? Featuring Whitney Page

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It's another brilliant year from the beatles and rolling stones. And i think this podcast much like the white album is gonna be three hours long. Yeah we'll see. We'll see if i can get my hands on the on the editing floor to to refine that we are i. Would you say that we are now into like the the full on prime of both bands. I think that people could say that about between the buttons and like the singles are putting out on aftermath and stuff you loved satanic majesties more than most people and even if people love it more now than they did before. But this feels like. This is like quintessential albums by both bands. At the same time right there definitely including essential I think there's no question that beggars banquet pretty pretty quickly. When it came out was was immediately like this is hailed as one of the best rolling stones album so we we are in the thick of the prime for sure. Although i don't know how quickly. I wanna put my contrarian hat on you go already. I kind of stated this on the last podcast. And i don't know if this is true. I don't even know if this is true for myself in this. I want to set the tone for this podcast in that much. I have so many conflicting feelings about the white album and i've been grappling with them the this whole week and and so we'll get into all of those things but there could be an argument to be made that the bills on the downward slope already yet. You said you said last week for sergeant pepper's that this is the beginning of the end. Which is something. I actually disagree with like. I think they made thing they wanted to make and most people love it. I think if those people scrutinize it a little more they can find some of the stuff we talked about in there to mark a little bit against it against it being like some kind of perfect grand thing. This one actually is the beginning of the end. Like in in documented ways and in just listening to the album like what. There's there's a lot happening. Why think if searched in peppers was the beginning of the end. I don't it was a i meant. I didn't wanna mean that has a knock on that album more that the cracks. I thought the cracks that tro in the white album were There were the seeds of those cracks in sergeant. Pepper's something something that i think is a funny flip like that. I realized listening. This week is a major recurring theme. If you listen to the steph year-by-year the way we are is that the beatles have these like your. You're beautiful analogy. You did on the revolver episode where it's like this perfect toy that's in. Its box that is pristine and fully perfectly curated piece of collection of music by this band. The beatles have a lot of those you know like it's like each moment and a lot of the end. The album's aren't varying from continent to continent as much and there's it just feels like a collection of like criterion collection. Dvd's on your on your shelf or something like that and the rolling stones. Have these kind of like a little bit of a mess of albums that have these amazing songs that jump out at you on on almost all of them but they're kind of like you can't speak about the package as well and this to me feels like the year were that that flips like white album has these. Why but white album has some insanely good songs tons of them. But it's literally tucked within thirty of them. And i am. It's saying that there's thirty songs on this album. The i don't think i ever really sat down and counted them. And when i just there's thirty songs and absolutely hilarious thing. I read. And i can't remember the title not guilty. It's in front of me. Harrison had a song called not guilty. That was left off the album even though they recorded one hundred and two takes of it. And it's like you made a thirty song album with the song that literally just says the the words the number nine over and over again and like and you and you cut this song that you recorded one hundred and two takes of like what. How does that happen. There's so many head-scratching. I think this is why the best the best word to describe. The white album is is a sort of infamy and in its confusion and it's strange labyrinth. It has lived on in the collective memory in a way even more so than i think. Sergeant pepper's i think when sergeant pepper's came out it was probably more popular than the white album was right away. Maybe but i think it's lived on because the there's just so much of this album and there's so many confounding things like that. There's this these beautiful outbursts of amazing songwriting and craftsmanship. Right next to things that seem like they were recorded. Just in a off the cuff. Nothing and when you realize that there was all these other songs and takes the things that were cut and i actually spent a decent amount of time this week with the the expanded version of this album listening to some of the demos. It's really confusing. I wanna bring someone into this conversation. That hasn't really been talked about much on this. Podcast us george martin. After listening to this album a bunch and listening to some of these demos lay some of the blame for the failures of this album. I wanted pinpoint on george martin and some of the decisions that he made as far as how we produce some of these songs which songs got chosen to be on the album in some of the production decisions that were made so apparently apparently george martin left on vacation made recording in. I think probably a little bit of like a fuck this. These people are fighting. I don't need this but check. Check my resume. i'm good. This album feels like listening to your parents get divorced. I mean it's not that's not like an entirely incorrect way to analogize it because it really is. Essentially the world's favourite band kind of getting divorced and apparently like a harrison wanted it to be winnowed down to something more coherent and and a single album. Ringo wanted to make two separate albums and it was mccartney lennon. Who said no. We're putting all these songs on here. Because i'm not here. I gotta say like beggars banquet. Let it bleed era. Rolling stones is about near some of my favorite stuff. I'll have my stuff to two toss at you with it. But i'm gonna give my explanation of the white album. I so there is something rule about not giving a fuck in my opinion. Like we're just doing what the fuck we want. And that's it and like the previous album they did. Sergeant pepper's is kind of the ultimate like theater nerd every single thing buttoned up in like every flourish. You can put on something as there. It's it's a it's a big grand presentation. There's a whole lot of trying. There's a whole lot of like check out. This big thing. Were were crafting for you and the white album is literally a self titled album with the white cover with the band's name embossed on it that's it and literally every single things thrown at the wall a lot of it. Good some of it bad. I think the band knows that some of it's good and some of it's bad but it's like don't give a fuck where the beatles and worse seven years into this career in and or however many years and were throwing it at the wall so take it in do what you wanna do with it and i approach it accordingly. You know it's it's bonkers. It's like certain times it's like oh don't need this song right now but man like It's possible that taking that approach is what allows you to unlock stuff. Like happiness is a warm gun and everything like that. So that's where i stand on it. I mean i think everything you just said is true but why does it have to be everything in the kitchen sink. Why couldn't they have just taken more time with it and refine this stuff in the thing. That's the most frustrating about this album. Their four sides right. There's two albums with two sides each and there's not a single side that doesn't have some agree gis nonsense on it. They could have had one side that was like this is all great classic beatles stuff and so i i agree with you that there's something to be said for just going three sheets to the wind and the the beatles have been accused i think prior to this of being too nice and neat and perfectly produced and perfect pitch perfect in every single thing. But you're listening to the last episode when you so brazenly accused me of liking music. That many other people find horrible or annoying. I agree that i'm not i. I'm the type of person. I love really raw music. I like demos. I like things that get to the really the base level of feeling emotion and songwriting. And i think that's what they were trying to do with this some of the stuff. And it's just a swing and a miss and i feel like if they had taken that approach two or three years earlier it would have been amazing would have been like the best album of all time but they are so disjointed as a unit that it just doesn't kwok just doesn't coalesce yet to me. It's not a swing and miss to me. There's swings and misses on it but it's like a this is what as you say like it's disjointed for sure like like there's a cohesion to rubber soul revolver. That is has a lot to do with why those ones have like continually become more beloved. And and it's this collaboration in the sort of unifying vision. I mean this is. This is them going in their own directions all of them. In literally fracturing as a band arguing and everything and recording alone and all of that you get to see the like absolutely precious adorable. Paul mccartney songs next to completely nutty john lennon songs. and it's just them unchecked A really on this album and you're going to get some really really really good stuff out of that but you're also gonna get a little like some whiplash in in a lot of directions on it. I mean i totally agree. And i don't. I withdraw my ascertain that the album. As a whole as a swinger miss there are moments. There are songs on this album. That are you can't use another word other than transcendent. And that's why. I've just been feeling like i've been going through such a range of emotions with this album that i have not experienced. So far as we've undertaken this project where i've i've been managed to stay relatively attached even though i love a lot of this music and something about spending a lot of time with this album and and not just casting off some of this stuff. I've been feeling angry. I've been feeling sad. I've been feeling elated. Just all of these things at once. And something about reading george harrison bringing eric clapton and the play on why while my guitar gently. We've just made me so mad. Dude you can't do this to us. We're the beat eric. Clapton doesn't even believe in corona virus. Really yeah no him and bam worse than put out a no him and van morrison put out a covert as fake together. How just a song. Not a full album. Should we cut that song in here. It'd be the first time i've heard you want to be a slave. Yeah no that's funny. Yeah it's true. I really i really did have like a we. I'm going to plead ignorance here and be honest and that i never realized that eric clapton play was was on that song and i also did not know that well that savory truffle is apparently completely based off of eric. Clapton's candy addiction. That's what i read like truffle. Such is the worst title in that only makes it worse that song yet. If there's a lot of these songs like maybe this has some kind of deeper meeting. And it's like this is just cast off bullshit about candy. Which one of those two took the other one's wife y. I know that something. And leyla are about. That's all i know susan. I don't think eric clapton took george. Harrison's wife but i could. I could be wrong. I did not do any research on that sort of drama and honestly i don't even care about here. I only care about george harrison stabbing the rest of the bills in the back. But honestly i can't even be mad at him because it feels like paul mccartney has been shaken people left and right on this album. Tell me more just. There's so many songs on here. That are just paul. Like i'm going to go off by myself with an acoustic guitar. And then george martin you know throw some orchestral stuff on top of it or like piano line and will if george felt empowered to go. Have eric clapton come in and play on beatles song i feel like it's because paul set this tone of just like well. He's a my songs you wanna sound. I don't care what you guys saying. Yeah but all right. So here's here's an argument against that. This is the like all those sort of lake parodies and stories. You hear about like beatles in india with the maharishi transcendental meditation though that this is the this is the project that has yielded by the trip until they go like lsd from the previous year has gone. There's some weed and stuff like that but like generally this more simple situation and apparently like all. The writing that was done in. That space was an acoustic guitar. Like people coming and checking in on each other and so. I think that what happened is like a you know. It's not mine to like a circus. But paul mccartney wrote those acoustic guitar songs and recorded those acoustic guitar songs. John lennon wrote those acoustic guitar songs. As the seeds for stuff he was gonna come back and go get wild. Get to the bother my back to the top of the stock to cost us. Prompt at you i. I want your three most hated songs. On the way down. I did craft at ten song version of the white albums. I did the to hell. Yeah that is okay when you were saying earlier. You're like there's like thirteen. Good songs on here is like yeah. I put this album. I re put it together re sequenced as our good friend. Elizabeth said in the last episode. And i put together a twelve song version of the white home. Awesome nice well. I i think i said thirteen because i cut like pretty easily thirteen and then i had to make three hard decisions that i cut it to ten just to get it to where beggars banquet was but But i feel like you could go anywhere from ten to fifteen depending on. How many precious. Paul mccartney songs you're going to allow yourself it's true it's true and i think i know a thing that we would share. Is that who wants. Who wants a an album of tens like your worm singles. You'd like certain stuff stuff pay plays a. It's the white album. I am having helter skelter on like it's going on. Yeah it's it's it's in the dna of the white album. Let's save every sequence albums for later. all right. well. I wanna hear you. I wanna hear bottom three songs. I'm going to do this pretty quickly. So i don't spend too much time. But hossan revolution nine. Don't need it. Toss and savory truffle and i'm tossing piggies that's pretty unassailable all right. So that's that's your three worst songs. I would say. I would agree with those. I don't really There's a lot of this album. That's both that i'm like. I can't decide if i love or hate this song. So i'm curious you have a song or two. That's like you vacillate between of like the songs awful or like. I kind of like this saw like when i say helter skelter as part of the dna of this album. I weirdly have to like admit to the fact that like deal dot also is in. Its way i'm gonna kill me before. I have to listen to the deal but again like it's like but then at the same time it's good it's great in and says bra that's what he's saying b. r. a. h. Life goes on bra listening to it. And i was singing the other day because i had a lot of the songs i listen to them. I want to play them on acoustic guitar and my wife was going. Are you seeing bra. I was like. I am seeing bright bra. I was like ma'am mccartney is really ahead of this time. He is and similarly. Although i have less care for like the continuing score story of bungalow. Bill i put that in that category for sure. Yeah i'm gonna go. I'm gonna go rapid fire with my ten songs. I wanna make sure that we don't like like. I think it made sense to spend a ton of time on sergeant peppers and then talk like in our like sort of discovery way or my discovery about about satanic majesties. But on this one. I don't wanna give short shrift to beggars banquet. Here's my here's my ten Reputable beatles came up with back in the ussr while my guitar. Gently weeps cheers eric. Clapton happiness is a warm gun. Blackbird rocky raccoon julia sexy sadie helter skelter revolution. Crybaby cry see. This is the beauty. All right i'm gonna give you my. This is my receive white album which is as overlap. it also is different This is the specific order. That i would put them in vice master. And so the ussr. Which i think we obviously both agree. You have to kick this album off with that song. Maybe you way see bad ass night. Back in the usa happing. This is a warm gun i will. I'm so tired. Hey jude that's right. I'm including on this. Don't pass me by which may also be a controversial choice. But i'm gonna go on record here. The best ringo song in the whole beatles catalogue cool i like i do i do. I do love that when we were striking. The three worst songs no ringo. It'd be found good. I you won't hear me slander. Don't pass me by. I actually really love that song. And i think from reading about it. It's actually the first song that gringo himself actually wrote down. Don't know me you helter-skelter your blues. Which i'm surprised is nano years lacquered. Cry baby cry revolution and and with mother. Nature's son i like mother. Nature's son to your blues was on my like expanded thirteen. Whatever it's awesome. I feel your blues. Your blues is them doing a lot of what the rolling stones pull off like the in a lot of ways like this just feels good but that's just the best version of john to me. He's just really like opening his shirt. And like opening. As i mean i know. There's there's a tongue in cheek aspect to that song. But i love a singing. I love guitar playing on. Not not the not the union. The only thing that i don't love about it is at the end of the song. It cuts to a different take. You notice this now congo back. I didn't realize this until this week. Every everybody who's listening to this go back and listen to your blues and right around the three minute mark a hard cut and then it goes to a different take because apparently they recorded all these on a master tape in the one for that song got messed up and then the last minute of the song john lennon just kind of sounds far away and distant and like in another room or something. See to me that kind of thing. As a hey. We're making the white album. We're not coming up with the cover. We're not coming up with anything about this. Besides the pile of songs will exist on it cutting out of their take. Were good like there's something i love about that. Let's let's table your blues for now. Because i want to talk about more when we get to the rock and roll circus While my guitar gently weeps hate that song. Do not understand The the love for that song. Find it really repetitive. And boring and just not interesting and It's on it's on your image jurors stripped-down white album which is calling are sort of curated selection and so this is gonna say this. I'm just thrown out. I'm just passing out controversial opinions like birdseed right now. George harrison is graded on a curve. It's all i'm saying. And the people in his classroom who is created on the curve with are the best students in the world. that's true so that is extremely fair. Point raccoon. Not that great of a song absolutely absolutely love rocky raccoon at have from my whole life marina black mining. Hilltop dakota there live the young ball name. Rock and roll kunama ran on with another guy. God this is an interesting. you know. It's hard not to contrast this album with sergeant peppers. And maybe you can trust it a little bit with abbey road and let it be in some of those things but it. It does feel like a response or just how. Think about it with sergeant peppers and sergeant pepper's to me for me in my life was never an album that meant. I had songs on it. That i liked but this is actually an album That i've spent a lot of time with in my life. And what that means is that my opinion has changed on some of these songs so rocky recruit is actually a song that i just kind of grown tired goon his room only to find good jains bottle. This thing is an album. Did you know that it or notice that it has no sound gaps between songs. It just goes songs songs. Song song i beatles did that. I don't know that. I did notice pretty cool. I love rocky raccoon. Like to me. That's an example of like it's i get it. I totally get it. Actually don't i wouldn't even see myself as the type of person to love rocky raccoon which to me means he executed something like very difficult whereas side to track for his piggies. Possibly the shadia song on this album possible biggies calling in the piggy getting. I don't know if there's controversial opinions helter skelter is a great song. And i have it on my my my down white album playlist or whatever but do you think the song could have a better mix to it. I always felt like even though i love that song if because like it should hit a little harder in places pull that damian reaper. Violent give us the remix. We all need okay. Maybe i'll we'll put a post that anybody who wants to hear that. I don't even know how begin to do that. It's like i think that like take take nine hundred sixty eight and then fast forward to now see feeling that way but helter skelter is nuts at that time at that period in time. Like helter skelter. Is i get that. It's like i think it could probably like punch harder in in certain ways sonically like with a with a mix but i think that nobody hearing it. Nine hundred sixty eight is thinking that there's again woah. Dude where are we like. This is not this is not. I wanna hold your hand or even. Yeah i'm gonna go murderer a bunch of people. He's not in control of that okay. That's everything else that i have to say about the not so good songs in. This album is not controversial. I six or so albums. Kanye west albums. I absolutely love them. Like i told away really really really loved them and the end period of that right before he becomes the kanye west we know now is is my beautiful artistic fantasy just an elaborate elaborate masterpiece really like with ton a ton of production a ton of collaboration all of that and with everyone from bone bear to a bunch of filler rappers and everything that i say yes sorry there would say time. How do you pronounce the carbonated like slightly barely flavored soda. Like that. his two words that are in french. Oh la la gua okay. You say that. I got the choir. I got that one. You say that in the fancy way. That's good either way. It's it's it's amazing and that album had four. Different album covers that were like like variations on the same art in all these places. It was a like a a thematic triumph. Like a kind of has chapters almost to the to the Kind of moods of the play out throughout the record. It's so good and and just clearly a work of artistic genius and then his next album couple of years later is jesus which is mostly songs. Don't even have four time signature drumbeats to wrap-over which is kind of like the the heartbeat of that music you know and he's in it's a lot of sounds rough and ugly and then it it kinda church flips on a dime in places it just very very like disorienting and its cover is a clear plastic. Cd case with a red piece of tape literally no artwork and like this week like thinking about it that artist who i like a lot of people probably like Like scoff at this but sorry like hip hop and other types of music have replaced rock and roll as like the dominant cultural like art. Form and connie west was essentially the beatles in the late in the mid late. Two thousands and sergeant pepper's to white album turn like it's not the the difference is he. He does only put ten songs on it and it's in addition to being kind of like sparse and messy and and uncomfortable and all of that stuff. It's also short so that that's a big difference between that and the white album. I don't know it was the thing that struck me. That like the more i think about it. The more true becomes. I spent a lot of time thinking. About specifically. For whatever reason specifically john lennon and bob dylan and thinking about how to me. This album has the very similar sort. It's coming from a similar place. Of where dylan was coming from in the mid sixties of this attitude of don't put me in the straitjacket like yes. I created this artwork in this world. And i don't need to be confined by your expectations but i guess my point would be dylan's response to that was to put out highway. Sixty one revisited. Or you know. Bring it all back home again to go. Electric that impulse in bob dylan at least lead to some of the greatest work of his artistic career. And so i guess my point being is that i can empathize and thinking about that from dylan's perspective and how he's so well-spoken on that may me empathize more with john specifically for whatever reason but also the rest of the bills of the sort of like success and fame and artistic success becoming a straightjacket and people like just just do start peppers again. But i guess my point being is that maybe. Maybe it's a lucky fluke for dylan by like you can make a masterpiece. You don't have to make something. That is incredibly flawed. Yeah that's a good point. Yeah highway sixty one. Revisited is is it does that like hey. I'm doing something different than what you expect of me. But also says it's also just kind of amazing across the board whereas there's no denying this is flawed any any beetle tell you. I'm pretty sure each beatle would tell you. This thing is a as as much as it matters in terms of what it is. It's a it's a flawed document. What let me second. Guess i mean if this is really what they wanted like. But i almost wonder the the beauty of that sort of dylan's scenario that i just described as he went out there and he suffered the slings and arrows of that decision and he really stood in the face of people in front of audiences in their vitriol of his sort of decision and said no. That's su i am. This is what i'm doing. Deal with it and i wonder if this album or this period would have been different for the beatles if they would have had to do that. But that's that's my complain about this album. I don't begrudge them for taking whatever artistic direction they want to go and that's fine but there's something very blase about it and there's a difference between saying this is what i wanna do. I don't care what you think. And just i don't care if feels like that times they. This is some of the stuff on here. Feels like them saying. Don't care apparently some of it definitely is that. I think i read it that way. Or it's like we matter so much that we don't care what you think like we're doing it anyway and but apparently like some other desire to strip back. I mean there's like the going away to india thing is like. I think you can't really underestimate that because it's like the band is huge and they go away to this place and they literally right a lot of the music there. And there's this i read that like some of that is a response to like what bob dylan has done. And what like. The birds are doing and stuff like that. And it's like let's we don't need to make this big grandiose thing let's like make something down to the bones but the pre the weird thing. I'm not gonna say the problem like this. I mean we keep saying that but it does feel like a big grandiose. I'm here. I'm here for that. That's that's what i mean like. It makes zero attempts to have any kind of theme or or or or any like feeling about it right. The thing is though really. If you're gonna say oh. We went to india. We wrote these songs. We had in coosa guitar We want we were inspired by bob dylan of the birds in these these more Kinda stripped back people. The only person who came back and stayed true to that. Initial vision is paul mccartney. Everyone else took in like they still have some of this like weird. Dancy cerkizi bungalow. Bill stuff nobody deal blah. And i guess that's mckearney but yeah i was gonna save probably more. George harrison is the one who really interns some of that stuff will like i mean you. Have you have hairs some of that stuff and even mckearney all of them but then mccartney has all these little acoustic ballads but then lennon has basically sort of noise rock punk songs that are just like that is all like happiness is a warm gun and helter skelter intend to be. They intend to be loud distorted noises but the thing is to wind down this album. I will say my wining it down. My favorite song on this album is happiness is a warm gun like what it does. It's like a little meandering fucked up little journey and then when it releases like after the mother superior jump the thing few times thanks severely a job. The mother superior. John reid busts open to this. Happiness is a warm gun part. That sounds like like angel. Baby from like the fifties or something. It is the coolest song to me obsessed with that song. And i love that song in the way. It's like the kind of song that like. I can't even comprehend how you use the best I love how it's just like each part is just bam bam bam over and dime. Even the happiness is a warm gun parts. You're talking about. They only really like sing twice a singer and then john does has little like r&b breakdown. They sing it again. song over. yeah inside one is done and flip your record in you. Got martha martha my dear waiting for you. Fuck brought my dear is just like the sound of like crapping. Your pants in an old folks home. No that's amazing all right so now that we've talked about these Beautiful boys from liverpool. Who know how to put thirty songs into their albums. Let's switch over to these these posh bastards from london who can muster a mere ten. I think sympathy for the devil might be the greatest rock and roll song of all time. God damn it possible response. You could can have to that. I enjoy this album. I really like it. I think it's a great album. I don't know it's one of my favorite rolling stones album super solid. It's it's like a super solid album. That's it's really good from start to finish. But just i would probably put sympathy for the devil and jumping jack. Flash is not on this album but did commence sixty eight are probably put those in the top five like rock and roll songs. Both of them and they came out in the same year. I think jumping jack. Flash is a very good song. But in i put it in the a lance for me in the like satisfaction camp which i think you. It's clearly you love that song. A lot more I personally think that the defining jumping jack flash the will be gobert movie but sympathy for the devil unimpeachable so if if anyone is curious there is a gianluca. Dr movie called one plus one. That is somehow horrendously an hour and a half long. But they're of that hour and a half. There's twenty to thirty minutes of footage of the rolling stones in the studio recording and writing the song sympathy for the devil from the beginning of keith destroying it on guitar and mick kind of humming out the vocal lines the full on conga. Woo woos everything and it is just It's so amazing to watch. And as just like a master class in songwriting and producing and creativity. And so if you can get your hands on a used to be on the internet and on youtube it's kind of hard to find now But i'm including that. In my package of of rolling stones. Things came out in nineteen sixty eight because to be able to get a glimpse of these guys in the studio. And and see charlie watts playing around with different drumbeats. And and seeing like keith. Saying okay i'll play. I'm gonna play the bass part instead of this guitar. Whatever it's so diesel feeds into my. When i've been around for a the perspective that he that make a scene from the whole time please to meet you. Won't you guess my name. Like jesus christ's dude. That's so cool. that's so here. here's the thing. I'm curious about though like to me sympathy for the devil. Sounds like the kind of thing that they found and like. I haven't seen that that film you're talking about like like you gotta know like a. We got something really good here like we got something that we're gonna blow out into six minutes and like really really make happen but what's interesting is like. This album is very clearly. It's it's kind of the way it's described like i sentence of like anything written about it or second sentence is like this is the rolling stones returning to the more kind of blues and rock and stuff. They were doing before. But it's like okay so satanic majesties request was prior to that which is less nutty than people might say is very much like presented as this kind of like of this sort of psychedelic moment but like that was called satanic majesties request and this is called sympathy for the devil. And it's got a bunch of like weird little conga drums and his six minutes long and he's like shouting and stuff and like this is like the return to rock. The album is album is returned see blues rock and everything but like it's interesting that like track one side as sympathy for the devil and it's really that's a weird a weird totally unique individual song. There's no song like sympathy for the devil. Yeah that's i don't think. The album suffers from having sympathy for the devil. And i take your point. It gains it gains from it. Honestly it just makes sense. That people reacted weirdly to tannock majesties request. Because like you could in the moment think like oh my god. This is what the satisfaction guys are going to do now. This isn't what i want. Sit expection goes another way of describing. This album is you know. There's l- there's a theory of Horror movie making that. I don't know if you're familiar with this at all. But basically the idea is you have to scare the shit out of the audience at the beginning of the film right away and then if you do that then the audience will be kind of on edge and like find the rest of the film more scary even if it doesn't and that's kind of this album where it hits you a sympathy for the devil inside an hit you a street fight man ryan off the bat and the rest of the album is more mid tempo kind of lusi stuff and because you're already keyed up from the songs you're more willing to follow those through hundred percent. I would want no other song to be tracked one and sympathy for the devil and the same is true about street fighting man on side too. I mean i love it. I i love the play at any time and listen to it anytime. I just honestly don't know how much there is to say about it because it just it's all kind of right there upfront. you know. It's there's no pretension. There's no although salt of the earth is kind of pretentious. Earn pretentious is the right word. But it's not pretentious. But it's a i see what you're saying if you're gonna put it on this album your they've put it in the perfect spot last. That's true It bundles it. Up for me. What is true as you say that you can talk about like if we took the ten songs on this album in the thirty songs on white album and said we're going to try and pick the ten worst songs in this big bundle. They're probably all ten of beatles songs that's true but if you're going to pick the ten best songs there's going to be a good amount of be so hitting record we have magical powers unlike the beatles In hot okay. I'm here with whitney. Page cultural critic from orcas island in the lovely margot pages with us as well. You might hear in the background whitney. I gonna prompt you in the same way that we prompt all of our guests beal's versus rolling stones. One thousand nine hundred sixty eight who you got. I pick that the the rolling stuff tell us. Why are you surprised. No okay. I must president. Well my larger argument is that the beatles album is annoying and the there are some big big wins on the album in terms of songs that stand out alone but the overall they needed better editing. And that there's enough material for like three albums one of which you can just throw away and then the rolling stones album is like a glorious story with a beautiful bang intro and then at the end it like has wonderful valid. We can get into the details. I want you said the the white album. The beatles album is annoying. Can you elaborate on that. Eighty one of their better songs and it got stuck in my head last night and it won't go away and even though i liked that song and it's fun and it's upbeat. It's still annoying and the birthday on as i'm going to call. It is fame not call birthday birthday called breath. But i asked my dad. He's a signal to us when we were kids. And i just thought he got that out of some weird cultural and there it is and it. He's he's got a better version. It's just like okay. Why are we seeing you happy birthday. I don't know so those go together in this weird album way. There's all these pieces of that album where it's like. I want someone to take us a set list and then cut it up and then and then put like with like and then just burn a third of the album and i wonder like why the master tapes so the we never hear them again. Not that bad. I mean if you're really really really into the beatles and you like want as much beetle content as possible than like maybe you. Maybe you go into the deep cuts. But i don't understand why they had to included on that album. Why couldn't they were they arguing and someone wrote one song and was like i have this song on that. It's this one's the best and everyone else's like it's exactly what well it's obvious because it's like no someone needed to come in and tell you that's not a good song that's is annoying. What i'm gathering is that you are not a fanatic superbox. Not super fair because i do like the beatles and i appreciate the beatles and i will listen to the beatles willingly every time so the larger context of the white album for me too is that i keep getting this image that i was at a carnival and it was really really scary. Carnival and like every single song is a different ride or a different booth with a carney and some of the rides. I'm like do. I like this. I think i like this. I don't know if i like this. This is too much. it's too much but then some of them. You're just like no no like. I felt like the transitions in the first half of the album. I really liked this metaphor. I mean. I'm bet people would probably use that more for sergeant pepper's since it has some of that kind of carnival imagery but would you also say the rights kind of start out pleasant but then it's like it's a small world like this doesn't go anywhere it's boring. Yes exactly and it's too long julia. That song is okay. It's fine but it goes on for verse too long. They could've just cut it again. An editor they needed a freaking editor. And i think. I think that the like dear prudence to me. Is i associate that with sergeant pepper. I don't associate that with the white album. And maybe that is wrong because it's one of the stronger songs but it has that strawberry fields forever that that movie that they did out gross universe yes across the universe. I just love. That movie is annoying to me. It's like they took all the most generally hippie and we're just like you know. I don't know if it's like it's like an an authentic drug trip like they're trying to give people that never wanna do drugs like there's a druggie experience. And now you can't do that. Did you get drug experience from the rolling stones. That is not how. I would frame my experience of that album to me the image. That was coming to mind was more of a western movie but a really good classic western movie maybe like set in ireland or something and it's because like i said it has an arc it starts with a bang with sympathy for the devil which everyone knows on because it's a classic and it's amazing and then it follows a narrative. Almost that is really pleasant. So a lot of the transitions. You're you're getting. You're getting a break hold on own a reference my notes here because i have a thought about the no expectations as the song that comes after sympathy for the devil and it's a nice break from the rock and roll of sympathy for the devil and then each time a new song comes up on that album year like ready for it and it. It has graceful way of going from upi to more low key to kind of and the word that comes up a lot in both these albums for me. Which i think is just a sign of the times as jangle early jangling jangling jangling and the beatles album is gangly in that carnival scary annoying way and the rolling stones album is gangly in a really nice. Like spurs clanking walking on the dirt and when they have these campfire songs that the beatles were trying to do the rolling stones. Do it with this. Like casual coolness that the beatles never accomplish in my mind like the rolling stones when they're singing about something super kind of weird. Which is the the woman who is like cat scratching his back and and meowing while she's like having sex with him like it reminded me of sleepless in seattle. When the boys like you know he's like tom. Hanks what are you know about. sex in. The little boy's like people are always screaming and scratching up each other's backs and stuff. I was like. Why is this woman. Just got these claws. And she's biting him and she's like but at the same time i can't get that song out of my head because it still has an undercurrent of sex appeal which is just like what mick jagger can do versus the beatles which is warm gun is happiness or happiness is a warm gun rate. There's this one part where he talks about. Obviously her cl it. And i'm like it. Just he's hitting you over the head with it and when they try to do sexy it just comes off as creepy to me whereas when the rolling stone started he's sexy you like feel it so what what i'm hearing is the rolling stones one for you because both of these albums have had songs that have been stuck in your head. Just one the rolling stones ones you wanted to be there and beatles ones are drew. Unwelcome intruders exactly and i was thinking about how as artists. You need to do what you're good at in a way or you'll you'll be known for the things that are authentically your strength. So when you're a writer that means finding your voice. There's margot everyone. She has thoughts about it too. But when you have to find your voice it's a really important part of the artistic process and that's where a good editor comes in whether you're an author or a song writer poet or a painter you have to edit your work and that was what was really frustrating to me. Is that your slogging through this album. The white album. And there's these high points which you can't argue with are really beautiful amazing points for you. The high points would be your blues. But then i was thinking about this with that one because i love that song. I love when you sing that song and play that on the atari and i wanna cover that song because it's a great song but i don't like. Is john singing it s. I don't like just singing that song. I want someone else to sing that song. He just doesn't. I've never thought of him as like a cool guy. If you ever him play live in concert he stands super bowl. Legat bring on the us as much as i can. Because it's really funny to me to have a rock and roll megastar who's standing splayed leg and i i just think when i think of mick jagger i just think of sticky fingers and i like wanna unzip zipper and when i think of john lennon i just like i think of john lennon as a weird elfin snivelling bad wizard harry potter. Well that's funny. You should say that. 'cause this year john lennon ono also put out a solo album. Cover was them naked on the cover of the album. That album cover now. It's a different. It's not that the one in braced blake in each other's arms. They're just standing naked frontal. I'm guessing you would not have bought that album. I don't find it sexy at all. I find it really weird and like no. I don't wanna do it in the street know who does that. So the trivia behind that song is. Paul mccartney wrote that song in india after he saw two monkeys having sex in the in the middle of the road. And i'll sing it to your girlfriend. Okay what okay you said your blues. What are your other highpoints. Oh let me think oh also in happiness is a warm gun he had it was so nonsensical and like the beginning it just jumps in and you're like wait wise. What the lizards doing weight like is so fast and strange. And then he's like mo there so period. And i was like why are all of these people in the sixties obsessed with nuns. You know. I don't know if they all went to catholic school and they have this weird like what's underneath the habit saying or something but they always find a way to bring up nuns in their music. Which i think is just not something that you see music today. No one knowing about mothers superior. Get a lot of gun talk. No oh blackbird. how can i ignore blackbird. It's obviously a beautiful well. Oh by beautiful melody. Beautiful song a little overdone at this point because we hear it all the time but it's a beautiful song dadaab take these broken wings to fly and what else. Oh god the buffalo bills saga. We can't hear looks on this podcast. My look is just. I rolling because that's what exactly what i'm talking about. It's like i don't know how much they knew of each other's work at the time but there are a few examples on the rolling stones album of a really nice. We might have to toss it for a second. So i'm parachute woman. The harmonica comes in and that feels like a really nice Kid okay so high points on the white album rocky raccoon amazing song. It's a whole story in song and it's a great song and then also i i do like i will. I think that's a really sweet song. And i think it's the kind of song that you sing to your children. And beatles are really good at lullabies. They're really good at sweet deals. That paul mccartney well exactly but you can tell when those songs come up. They're just they feel gentle and sweet and beautiful. And so that i think is a is a great song to sing your beloved and learn on acoustic guitar. And it's just darling darling and then on on beggars banquet highpoints. Besides you know sympathy for the devil. As i salt of the earth is a great song and i love that they place it at the end and it has that so that's kind of lingering long altro because it really wraps up the phone and it's over and you're all standing in the bar raising your mugs and the concerts over and it's great and you're like and cut versus the white album which is just all over the place it never ends. It just never ends and back in the day. You couldn't just skip through the bad songs. True well this is probably a good place for us to wrap up this interview. Winnie thank you for doing this. My pleasure i've got to be wanting. I absolutely love is the Beggars banquet album cover with the with the toilet and the kind of like martin graffiti on the wall and stuff like that so apparently at that time because you also see the kind of white version. That's like in like fancy cursive which is kind of a funny little weird like side by side to the white album that like the beatles. Have this like plain white record with their name just in boston. The rolling stones have this kind of like eggshell white record with just their name on it but the original one with like the toilet like the messed up bathroom and everything that just looks so cool especially for something from the sixties deemed it deemed offensive because it was a toilet. Well it was the sixties that's insane sixties liquid a hard time imagining that anyone and nineteen anyone in the rolling stones in nineteen sixty was coming within thirty feet of toilet like this. Yeah that's true. It was apparently it was like the toilet of a car dealership and they went in and making keith. Like tagged the wall and stuff. Well that's but like and jagger says because it's not even the whole toilet it's like the top half of the toilet and then all the stuff on the wall. That's like what no paper and bob dylan's dream like pointing down the drain hole and stuff like that. Which is that is like. All that stuff is good. And there's a jagr says. I mean we didn't we haven't shown the whole lavatory. That would have been rude. We've only shown the top half. That's that's fair enough. It definitely reminds me of the scene in trainspotting. Not my favorite scene. I have a question for about beggars banquet so obviously street fighting man in g seven Went on think we've talked about the song enough. Which is just classic. Just gets you going. Get you up out of your seat. I think we agree. This is clearly the second best song on this album although some people might like sympathy for the devil interest. Would you also say that. No expectations the third best song. If after those two. I you know you know my like sort of connection to a a good little hook and i have this weird love for dear dr which. I don't think people are supposed to love as much as i do. But i do understand wide cans but no expectations. No expectations also is up. There though to me was going to ask you what the third best song on. This album was just figured that it was clearly expectations. But now that you've thrown endear doctor. What's your favorite song. That's not those four songs. I love fact of well. You're right insane. In describing this album as a thing that i think is a little bit deliberately middle lane in certain ways but i love jigsaw puzzle and i love factory girl i was gonna say well almost in some ways the polar opposite of the white album and that the whole is more than the sum of its parts and the white album is the opposite the sum of its parts. I mean unless you're just interested in it from an intellectual exercise which is fun in never ending but the white album as a whole is not more than the sum of its parts. Can i talk about the rock and roll circus. Now tell us. Yeah i wanna i am excited here about it. Okay so i have lots of fun factoid about this i don't know why am so weirdly obsessed with that. I just really enjoy it. The rolling stones got the idea that they were gonna make a tv special That was going to be a bunch of rock and roll bands playing together in With the overarching idea. Being that was going to be a circus which we talked about this last week for whatever reason english people in the nineteenth the late sixties like really loved their circuses songs with like circus rhythms and blah blah blah and. So they did this and they had performances The other bands that played with them were jethro toll. The who taj mahal marianne faithfull And a band called the dirty mac which was one of the first ever super groups that featured one john an of You might have heard the beatles and eric clapton. Keith richards playing bass and mitch mitchell playing drums mitch mitchell of the jimi hendrix experience and so This special was shot and filmed with all these musicians and it was never aired and the the urban legend or the supposed reason. Why is that the rolling basically. They had set out this filming schedule. Going to film this all in one day it wasn't live but they filmed it and because they had so many different acts it took them so long to set up all of the different equipments and shots and things between the bands that by the time the rolling stones came on who was the headline act. It was like four in the morning. And the which had been so revved up for this whole show with just like totally zonked. The rolling stones energy is like nonexistent. Because it's four in the morning and they have been doing like nate. They're not just like the headlining at but they're also like doing little sketches in between things and like introducing bands and blah blah blah. And keith play. Plays with john lennon and so apparently they felt like the who really upstage them. Even though the who only played one song and so this is available online now to go watch highly. recommend it there's also the the recording of performances is on spotify that you can go listen to But as i was doing some research on this i found some very interesting things. One of the things was that jeff. Rowe toll plays and the guitarist for jetro toll. In this performance tonio me of black sabbath playing with jethro toll with just completely blew my mind and apparently when jethro toe plays on the rock and roll circus. They have a backing track that. It's not them actually live playing their instruments. Because i owe me didn't know the songs yet because he'd only been in a toll for like two weeks hell. Yeah another one of my fun facts about this. Is that the group taj mahal. Have you ever heard of taj mahal yet i. I was not familiar with them at all until i watched. This player is taj mahal. Besides the per person taj mahal. I'm picturing a dude with long hair parted in the middle that i met in my dorm room in college. He played me a taj mahal song. That's where i learned all with but tell me tell me who had actually gets are player. Was jesse davis who played the guitar solo on doctor. My eyes Yes that's right. Remember back from the after the daily podcast as we were arguing about whether david linley was playing the guitar so on that come to find out it was jesse. Ed davis to play that guitar solo. Who is also in the rolling stones rock and roll circus. Dang that is awesome and he plays nice guitar solo on there. but you. yeah he's awesome is a A native american guitarist. So he's one of the few noteworthy native american guitarist from this time period And then my other thing is that. I just love the performance of john lennon in that group with eric clapton and they play a performance of your blues. Which is better than that. The the white album version of it to me. I got to say that a lot of the shots of it are actually just like close up shots. Eric clapton shredding. So there's not a ton of stuff and yoko ono is also there for the super group but in the version i watched she was was kept strategically out of camera camera angle and also the the the song of the who perform which is a quick one. While they're away really does kick total ass. And i if i was a rolling stones. I probably after seeing this who performance rally been canceled. Show it wasn't. It wasn't a song about pinball. I mean you could probably interpret it about as being about pinball got any fanmail about justin's who ate i took. I used to work as a bellhop. And i would drive pilots to the airport sometimes and in. This is exactly this period. When i was getting all this music and some some pilot like to i ended up in this long conversation about music. There was largely really really really good and that but he gave me this insanely emphatic suggestion about the who and i went and i literally on the way home from work bought the record and was like you know who's four people and the who is good. Like the who like bob reilly. There were there who songs. I really love but i was so the guy really set me up for failure with it. That's the premise around. Walks up with you on this. I've made it. i've made it my thing to dislike. Cast off the. Who is i go and yeah you know they have some great tunes but as a whole not for me so yes send that mail you know like maybe you can like pick up where that that pilot left off and put be the final puzzle pieces for me. Yeah sometimes you honestly really do need someone to give you some context or like when you need someone who really really really loves something like a piece of music makes you reconsider it. Sometimes i always hated sonic youth and and like just kind of resisted them. Like and even as i tried like i just like oh whatever man like like did struck me as the kind of thing. People are liking to feel cool. And then i had a friend who likes on accused was like like a six song playlist and they said that six on please i listened to it constantly for a week in absolutely loved it like i thought you were going to mitch hedberg right there just like i used to hate sonic youth. I still do. But i used to know. This is a case. This was a success story before real quick before we know what else does is a success. Story this podcast episode. I just even even with way less effort to me white albums so much more interesting than certain peppers. That just is oh. I thought you were going to say than beggars banquet. Yeah i agree. I like white album. I mean i. I do this every episode. I know i've been railing on this album. And that's why this week has been so weird to me as i've again going back to this break-up feeling at this band and in so many ways means so much to me just like it means so much to so many people and when when this album is on its just as fucking as good as anything. Yeah that you can't talk about this album without talking about the facts that starting when they when they go into sorry recording white album yoko ono is there from the start so all those sort of like broad strokes conversations from people say like about how yoko ono broke up the beatles which is obviously way over simplistic and everything like that. This is this is that this is that moment this record you could hear. The band fracturing apparently later on the rest of the like wives and girlfriends are are in the studio space to but prior to this point. The beatles created music in a vacuum and lennon. You'll go ohno. Were were that changed and not only to the point of like around but also she's on the songs also he starts to make solo music with her. Like this is a. I will say like quite honestly. I'm not gonna read much. I'm just gonna listen to that music. And i'm kind of excited to like assess yoko ono like with a clean slate and just like try to consume what they do and and for my opinion about the john lennon yoko ono stuff. But there's no doubt that it. It plays a role in what happens on this album. In the i think book hold on band is i think it is and how well to a degree and i will say that over the years i have never shied away from like throwing kasinga blase like you know. Blame game on yoko. Ono jokingly being like. You're you're ruining the been yoko or whatever my impression as i have like over the years of beatles stuff and people talk about beatles and where i'm at right now is my impression. Is that the beatles like the actual members of the beatles are on record at this point as saying the tension in the band that yoko being the root of the tension in the band is overstated. And that frankly. They had a lot more to do with money in creative control than they did with yoko being in the studio. And that's something that people have latched onto and maybe It has caused a. It'll be interesting when that Get back a documentary comes out because obviously there's a lot of footage of them in the studio. But i i as someone who for a long time was like yeah of course like yoko ono broke up. The beatles like white ave. She's in the studio and everyone's like mantle a time. Because yoko ono's there i i feel like over the years stuff i've read has led me to believe i don't know if people are just playing nice or whatever but that that has been maybe dispelled a little bit. You can see. You could see how she would be the perfect person to be like this. Asian woman who makes really weird sounding music ruined my favorite thing. It's very convenient. Easy thing for so sexist too because it's like if john didn't want her there she wouldn't be there. So how are you going to blame her. John and he goes on to make all this music with her in like. Yeah he john lennon was john. Lennon is barely being contained on this album. And as you know like he. John lennon's gonna go whatever direction john lennon wants to go in and that applies to music and everything else he's doing and yet and i think that plays in again to that feeling of like. Don't tell me how to make art. Don't shackle me to the beatles. Don't shackle me to pop music. And unfortunately for him in my opinion most of the stuff that came out of that rebellion was was was dilettantish garbage. I loved hearing you hang on. That hanging was really words you wanted. I think that's true like so. Yeah you a person should do what they wanna do. Everything all that but like we're about to enter a period of the rolling stones or making bleich possibly the best album several of their whole entire career while the beatles are individually making solo albums and the rolling stones albums are better and the beatles. Solo albums are not as good as the best beatles albums blaze. Even though i made. I just said that about sympathy for the devil which i truly do believe it might be the so all time i feel like i can. Just cancel that out with jude like that. That's that's right there in the conversation to and revolution so you get both of those songs this year plus ten to navy even fifteen just solid be to a minus two a songs the beatles coming through the back door with these like singles slick naked. Not make unfair. The beatles take anything anything they do which he could be like. Oh yeah that's like a normal nice pleasant bill song. There's always something that makes it extra kind of standout memorable. And i think that's why like when we say that about the white album with all of its like great parts and flaws it just jumps off the page more than than beggars banquet does. And that's what's hard. Yeah that's what's hard about. As beggars banquet is just wall to wall like these solid blues tunes but you know you're going to put a line from parachute woman against the just the non nostrum. Hey jude you can walk to and america and like instantly staying with fifteen other strangers if it comes on the jukebox. Like you can't argue with that kind of power you can't. I will say a line that jumped out at me. The lion on street fighting man. This is just as far as rock and roll. Eric's exco coming. Out of mick jagger the line what can a poor boy do except for singing rock and roll band is just like gets to the essence of like the why they fucking kick ass they do. It does but that this does get to the essence of the rolling stones and all of their sort of complicatedness. Because when i listened to that song. I hear. A bunch of pampered rockstars singing about fighting in the streets. Those guys weren't going in streets anymore. Maybe if it was like nineteen sixty five or sixty six but this is sixty eight. They're like world famous like they're not streetfighting men. He's he's looking back at his younger days. Yeah i mean. I guess so but i just that is that is the rolling stones where there's always the they have the edge. They always had that sort of cutting over the beatles and that sort of toughness and scary. But there's always a little bit of opposed there too. I would actually say that this year is probably the first time the beatles like the the the prudish perfectionists you know like they are all the way up to this point and so they're they're not as bad ass feeling as the rolling stones are ever going to be but there. This is the beatles. Kinda like just kind of going which i liked here. Well in the category of like things that maybe everyone else knows about the beatles and i. I didn't until this week is that. Apparently the maharishi is sexy sadie. I didn't song is about the maharishi. Also savory truffle as about air clapton's chalk addiction with something we have not talked about. I know we're like we're winding this down and the and that's great time to wind it down. There's something that we have not talked about that. We absolutely must talk about would be berg will be the greatness of whoopie goldberg. We'll be goldberg's amazing performance in jumping jack flash mazing performance in everything blackbird. Yeah talk about at all and that is maybe. Maybe my favorite beal song are. Just you ever tried to try to play blackbird on acoustic guitar pain in the ass. Got one right here and you do it. I can't do it. i've been practicing this week. No that was good. Like it's fucking hard way something like that. This is also if you don't have to be on the podcast my guitar sitting here so i couldn't couldn't help myself. I've been around people. playing blackbird. Just goes the the idea. That person known as the basis in a band is playing and singing at the same time. Just like really. You're definitely right the white album they they don't give you one clean of the four sides. Don't give you one clean great one. It's like because. I would almost like that part with blackbird and rocky raccoon as you know that's like my mom i love julia but you all right so we're winding down nine hundred sixty eight. Would we got in nineteen sixty nine so in nineteen. Sixty-nine have the release of abbey road Which if i remember right was actually recorded after let it be let it be was released. In one thousand nine hundred ninety the soundtrack to the movie yellow submarine and the charles manson murders Which are also in the beatles. Call him in nineteen sixty nine. Sorry guys and the stones put out let it bleed and they got someone killed at altamont speedway. Think that's sounds like a real blood a dark year. Nineteen sixty mattered isn't in sixty nine. Like when like the dream dies the be it was an end of an era justin. Exactly well youthful era where everything was so pure. It's the end of the era. But it's the the middle of this podcast. So it's not the dominion where point now. I think that's the midway point. I don't know. I don't do math like that but no. That's why we're podcasts. Beaming all right. I will see you in one thousand nine hundred sixty nine. Always get what you think.

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We are back for another supergirl Subaru Tuesday I am your host Shanna I'm here yeah so then what's his name Malefic who's been running around as a fly just literally in another DC 'cause you know how they love to do like a callback tonight a random DC character from before has been on like I don't know fly on the wall listening to all of their conversations he decides to use that against Kelly and in person Eh given all those free there be this week they were like oh no that's that's her her problem it's Hercules so hold on say we we're GONNA start with channel was right Kelly is Zhenli Kelly not having any boundaries care crossing boundaries John Finding out he really fucking cross the boundary that so that was like maybe if they had played the song during episode I would've understood is the blurred lines as well Okay David here we're out here acting our boy the goat Sean Astin Okay okay I'm sorry says that late little brother like you know it's wwl he knows Bob from strategy from the goonies I know I know but I went to my immediate most recent reference and when we had a whole conversation about everybody is Megan Kelly do all this stuff she stay in people's business that and you guys y'all you're going to be mad at me because I did not go far back I was immediately bob from stranger things needs like Sean Astin because out of Nowhere Sean Astin and Kelly are bff she's his therapist from when he would a different city it's funny to me because when I saw the picture I was like Oh Kelly knows Sean Astin uh-huh doing Jimmy he's doing she always been like that can't stop or someone else who has ratchet which one lady spider lady yes own Bob from change and yeah I just had it Sean Astin Sodas did was he surname rea- Saint James is her name she was in prison break I was just saying Dr grow if your client attracts you down to a whole other city that is a call to the police that is not invitation to do free therapy on his made who she is who is she I'm super familiar too voice the care here I love it I love them for stuff like this and who's the other guest star this week out here giving free advice but that's Kelly's problem that is not people improve on working with just give yeah I was just like wait how how Sean Astin unsympathetic it was I was really blown they they gave everybody a different fate younger version of free advice you can lose your license doing this she she was pulling so funny because I wait a whole conversation about this last week and I know these I know Yep yep he played for twenty six twenty eighteen he played billy batson slash Zaman Justice League action the doctor the doctor the woman doctor Oh that's what I thought she was efforts and so between that and and I love how the manifesto her powers as well and then all of Mine Oh yeah Carl was there but also all those little brown baby erased the memory of his brother from his father and from himself yeah because his father was becoming so distraught that he couldn't I could tell that that was where it was going to go also shout out to David Harewood and Carl Lumley for giving us a young John I love that Niyaz version John's memory excuses like I just interpreted it the best way for me so this is a little black kids and do his job and I mean the father is his father is not without some blame because they put that little baby and Sean Astin I was like they they really up the guest star but let's not performer too so yeah she was dope Lowest Clark or Yeah I looked up his IMDB but you know his I'm going to be deep as Hell but use his power in a way that isn't great you know and then John is like he's trying to salvage the situation and trying to John because his father was so distraught over his brother's powers and his brother turning against them that he seems like another like mostly stumped person so times out that and why he then defected to the way Martians and it's basically because he did not have the easy answer or completely wrong or completely right person in this situation aw she's not she's not is Zombie you drink I thought at first that she looked like home grow from doctor who is that still film Lamar's voice coming out of his face which obviously goes against how they do things with them the mind being so precious because they can access people's Phil Amara when they're black dude this is not and I couldn't tell I feel like I needed to watch the second time because connect to the Martian hive mind and instead he had the ability to use mind control on people yeah is doing it without realizing the impact and then they put him away in this cave which causes him to defect but you know we now down was wrong yeah just saying there's dishes no there's just no clear cut you know everybody was doing their best safe for year years decade actual yeah that baby in a cave so I understand wit she's given free therapy to the BARISTA and whatnot late girl if you'll come you ask it's hard to say it's one of those like chicken or the egg things because obviously as a young child he they've got a job that we doral college tuition and I love a little bit be malefic he was so great yeah I'm a dad did it and it was so it preserves his father's from calm in a person I was expecting Fila Marta show because he does the conversation allows me to like it the pizza Sushi thing should have been like okay so then when the poem started okay we had this conversation do I need I know use a black miss that he's going to be some luckiest these is going to be some little black kids you're welcome you're mad at me from Fresno Shit that happened three months ago right now damn benda moved on for exactly so that was my thing was take that Philip Morris voice coming states she doesn't he doesn't have a credit yet I think different actors aiming Dominique Robinson but yeah I have to watch it again signs they definitely taking over someone's ability to control themselves is a big deal Ravina free will a former rate and so his father can still like at the point that he does what he does to his brother his brothers already turned yeah so there's no but I was hurt I get it's like girl that fell you haven't said anything and you blow up at me Oh no we're going at it because now it's your fault now you slept on it for so long and who you are and you're telling him you can't accept him for who he is which like you said that's me problem but a nicer way you could have expressed that others you and it continues because I'm that way if something is truly bothering me and I can't let it go like you know twenty four hours to forty eight hours later I'm gonNA come to you and but I was like Whoa Dude like I yeah that level of social awkwardness is hard for me like you could have had that conversation a little bit better especially given what you've gone through you're basically telling you are asking to be accepted me with the low but it was it was hard to watch because as I was watching while brain's really yeah I just yeah like I get why cars trying so brought to you about it because I can't let it go if you let but I'm that type of person where if you let it build up if it's happened multiple times inches it's it's hard for me to watch okay so think it's helping already are stepping down and lead us being you've done enough she sees overachiever that car where I'm wondering if she hey where John does what he does a lot of things happened is what other things have gone wrong and GonNa catch you up to speed L. my God just quick because it's been too long on it so go fucking gone that it leads us hope in real life the actress who plays eve is very much so pregnant I felt like the you know croissants and all that from Paris and the coffee from this place and I felt like that was okay I totally understood why she got to that point but I was still a girl you can't you let it get to me the pizza are you big dummy Kara and Lena relate right here on ten at just bring it down to like seven six I still get the love but you know you're not overwhelming yeah I go transit hard Oh so I wonder if at some point you know who goes away for a little bit or hope gets transferred into another body he is about and then you have poor eve port you've tests marker I do want them to keep her around even gone you going right now gene Lena Lena player her perfectly like Oh and you know just in Jim e is going to be either a senator or right now he's on the road protected Sousse journals I can't even believe at all of Nia tried to take so wait you saw with law Jimmy leaving or I think it might be because what happens when Kelly puts her nose where it don't fucking belong is he merges with her mine in erasing a person from that person's existence including your own desktop the Neva bothered to do it for him so he didn't know what he was missing feels that something's still not quite one hundred percent and she's trying to compensate instead of saying she's too trusting looking up his own relationship he doesn't see coming but everyone else could be yeah let's build up and that and that to me is always the thing is the letting it build because I've actually had that issue with people where I say if I am doing something that mm protector but I'm wondering because they did seem to be moving towards Jimmy is GonNa go to Washington and that is kind of the backdrop of what we're doing uh-huh except I still think dads should have never put their baby in a cave but by the time we get to the moon I would like to keep the other two to say anything else that we haven't touched on like the idea of Jimmy goes to Washington and then he's tangentially still connected because obviously like supergirl has side also because I want Kelly to to be involved I think grump bag but something tells me he don't okay I like Jimmy goes to Washington I've done well you do I vote for that are everyone operates within the I didn't think they were offering Willy Nilly I I realized that thing that we forgot to talk about dumb asses yet I like nearly but come to fuck hunger so because they are working their way to Jimmy Lee do you think this is the archer to be fair she jumped in to save the doctor is not like she was just there like bringing bitch I mean she had to keep the doctor from being murdered who there's definitely going to have to be so maternity leave and I don't want even to die I love eve she is great so I and I want to be able to have like I just don't want them like off in the Wilderness and that actually both of them go deep excel team Super Girl Kara John Alex Jimmy's too damn experience for the same mistakes to keep occurring the bad guy has all of Marcia man hunters powers interact with president and like all these things so I like that idea I don't know if I liked the Jimmy and Kelly go off into the Wilderness that he's working against Roe hus- I just don't know how dealing with his like the all this issues with the president from last season and so now they're doing emergency elections and all this stuff so I actually really lake for real for real that that two thirds of our black people just saying we're already definitely losing one in order to kill her but he does incomplete she's still kinda merged with them which means she can identify an even an emmy gotta die so they gotta get Outta Town says why does team supergirl Axo stupidly. John's brother is damned shape shifter native go around spilling secrets is like they saw how team flash communicated in there I read I want Kelly around even with her dumb ass trust itself as still want her around and and he got really light about those pictures and assume that Kara saw those pictures and figure Asia and using that as a way like he's selling her information that's my theory right now the stuff that's happening with obsidian and kind of shape the narrative around that so I wonder if he's doing some sort of like corporate espionage Josh 'cause the the scientists that was killed by Spider Gwen is the same guy that we saw in the pictures with last week which I normally properties just go with it okay so here's the thing with him I've decided Andrea but I do and I do think whatever he's doing his shady I don't trust him in the soup kitchen last week I feel like that was oh or why or why I've feel like it might be on some lake espionage type stuff like corporate espionage we'll probably be helpful in the end I don't think he's really working for the new cat go Bossi's probably investigating her from the inside although not for goodness of his heart reason based on a stack of cash she added another little decoy he's not a good guy she's not good either but he's not getting and I don't think that whatever he's figuring out but car had no idea what was going on with those pictures so I feel like he and given that the seasons in thought gee we should do that shaking my own hair despite receiving a briefing from Alex with alien can do care still goes in there have cock like sterling's really been you know just having such a hard time in the only thing that seems is reading cars dumb as whole Lena a rainy no I think we've got it all very for feedback titus when you going because it'll probably come up at somebody's comments I hate the Lena's pettiness turning her into the villain she didn't want to be but she's turning into the Dr Low and we are here to discuss season five episode three blurred lines which late company is connected to you know it's not just cat code she owns cat co but she's really using that as a means to promote the best type of villain the one that thinks they are right in what they do also day has become this year's colonel very annoying appear to be a bad guy owed asked what we forgot working together I used to think they were working together interesting thing he has seen you there you sticking to it but I don't trust I trust them either but I don't I don't think he's working with eighty but not associate a question is was he the one that took out the spider Gwynn or someone else they got us a win really over that 'cause this is really girl really really like even when she gave her the things slow burn throughout episode one leading to reneging on her blockbuster story she promise Ross Sea as it's not I just WanNa say I don't feel like it's not too much stinks says this is based on the first episode I haven't seen last night's episode I'm reserving judgment but I'm not a fan of the Lena he'll turn it seems a bit too much I like the I on some conversational Martian just like you very comfortable with this look I'm really Irena phonetically the way he he wrote it also shoutout to Sean Astin because he was up on that Martian it's my choice by choosing share it with you cool but I'm not required to do so you know what that is a good goddamn point I can see where Lena is coming from with everyone that she knows it is it is a point Baiju because when you're the only when you realize that everyone in the crew they don't care they stop caring about that that's what also makes the Lena Finding out he supergirl thing so funny the address was that this isn't just supergirl but for all costing the Gilani's was secret identities why am I required to disclose my secret identity to you it's mind Komo anyway your car can you speak a little louder when talking about you being super grocery Jimmy like there were mad people walking around pass the next three episodes ooh ouch Presi ethnic as soon as my alibi through that have they chose to drop us into the story I personally would have made some they don't be given us shit when they come walking around Mary one also dreamers over brainy shit I don't see their relationship aw staying thank you thank thank you baby thank you does yes I like Lena before key you that's not your business behind them during that conversation they gave that shit up at the deal that's why I want homegirl was reading minds they had the White Literally Everyone in I pee but I I do WANNA shout out to them no because maybe speaking like Haruki speaking oh I'm just hanging in there this week she finally put on the suit finally called her about women so that was exciting the LX be on the coms talking about some Kara. I'm like right now different choices narrative LII and thematically but I really really loved the side characters on that show and I love the villain on my expectation as she should've told her you're right isn't that a her goddamn business unless car wants to be her goddamn business that is a grass point steph dude at Portland saw the Monitor I knew it was John's brother he is going to be a fucking problems. CW sidebar bat is bad version of someone who already looks like a great value version of a generic person. That's that's that's levels I like you know is knowing car is super gross a sweetheart your last name was fucking luther charge it to the game breaks you know where you are absolutely right knowing that means your Mama could no major trash as brother can no that's too dangerous this mighty thing already knew she didn't know that the era the toy hirsute not the ill-fitting version of Bruce's suit La Toya said built into the showdown between currently but you said everything stinks some gyms everyone has cpas on these cwc what's his name William Wilson who cares walking around looking like wow would you say someone looks like a great value we talk about the fact that Martian sounds like a little bit and just saying I'm like Cherkasov for ah but I'm trying but it's depressing Shana rose where from terrorism even emission impossible to to the misses work that out but it looks like supergirl has been affected with the less secure everybody disease I understand that helps to build drama but haven't we suffered enough with that stupid shit is a mining childcare out here white woman she decides she can justify breaking into a million about your love oh I love him so that's it that's all we this I haven't even clicked lightning last season scarred me but I'll China's episode I still that's why staffers including Lena so this is a bit too much from ABC WSB GonNa see WTO also bat woman is pure Sarah Joseph says I don't have any thoughts primarily because the person to whom related by me half hour black late having gone back so about bat women I I I decided she wanted to have a very important discussions for about thirty minutes for a real personal problem keep them in a box and give them to our own Valentine's Day instead of every hour balanced Bernie balance all right thanks so much for the wonderful review always it's a treat you are welcome hear my poor baby all messed up over how to deal with Nia but part of being honest with someone is communication in understanding their love languages you can write all these damn points for her instilling join everyone is a mess and I love it I just need them commit doing them like every hour twenty some Haiku who's who uh-huh Yeah I look I love this episode I love everything that's happening in the season even when they're being dummies Sienese learn moderation when it comes to relationships being over exuberant never ends and it didn't here at one I hate the direction Kako is going and I hate that stupid smart Fart Bridge to keep at least one of them so now looking good for the home team I mean I love that Kelly interested in that I am wondering if the John Thing is going to start to resolve itself around the time of the you and I'm just saying that people have feelings their land feel you're not giving Ed Lina and it's definitely going to bite you big dummy that's the show title right there you because everybody did some big William and Russia's there's there's a lot of stuff happening in the background and I'm just really really in comments or the abuse of that person alone because my guy I just wanted directly show when I go to Walmart I buy great value regularly so he can be migrate value with employees anyway and it to a guy damn idiot you're compromising yourself bonded with Malfa because then that makes her an important part of the story and she and yeah now that she knows about this she now giving her a tie and kind of a superpower to just this stuff with in that actors defense I think he would like to have a conversation about that categories and Sir I do not you know the views of and he just kept saying you make a very like you doing specific genres of in the crisis and then on the flash he came in basically told Barry in order for us to survive you're going to have to car yeah yeah so now that she knows about car like all of that stuff I love that because that always brings them fully into the story interested in the fact that in this world the monitor kind of brought the villain into the story lash it's very different so on the Arrow right now he took oliver with him and the Monitor has oliver kind thicke into this world because what's happening on because you don't you don't watch other two on the Arrow hopping to these different earths to get things or people I guess that will be instrumental to them defeating like winning in China in the background hide it clean so so I I appreciate that and table poem that he kept doing after Sonnen experienced after sonnets he was like now have moved onto something something whereas like in other words he seems to be trying really hard to gather all the heroes together so the question is is malefactors uh-huh oh excuse me sorry bye and buried like pulled the doctor strange this week this past week and saw all these possible futures and there was and the only one in which everyone survived was the one where he died but we know that's not gonNA happen because it's showing Hanson well there's that and you know like I know we get a lot of black people because the Martians but I just I don't WanNa lose Kelly and Jimmy in the savings either I went I went four and the December twenty nineteen so yeah so I just I'm really really person is being announced or there's pictures from behind the scenes and it's just so exciting when we talk about Oh in real quick ah yeah they moved it up so like at the end of last season the time line on the the paper chain so it used to say twenty twenty tickets were rise skywalker went on awesome lion motherfuckers remove ain't nobody going to see a base instilling government evidence because she doesn't think they need it lexus fright maybe she's been taking advice from brainy on how to get your Thang back what are boundaries even and in crashing Pandang go how's that terrible fuck y'all line as liars by all I know is that I grab to Finan forty five crossover you monitor brought him to it almost has two yeah and it's interesting that the monitor brought malice it was like sold out and I was like Oh sorry freaking and then I looked at the next one which was at nine forty five and their plan uh-huh so there's a lot going on I'm very excited I'm trying not to post spoiler pictures in the group but I feel like every day a new he while I'm trying to wait 'cause I'm going through some things I don't I might be travelling I'm trying to figure out if I'm traveling from traveling I'm going to get the tickets for on the road right in the beginning so you end up with like that because when I looked for the first show I think it was like the six PM show we're GonNa return those tickets and southlands they get their plans together. Maori isn't about getting a ticket my worries about the line as Liars Claiming Otis Franchises on the Thursday I'm ready to go me and my friend go we go every time a new star Ogle Wego together opening night the the haters who were like Rian Johnson ruined de la but they also think that Jj and I was like I think he says the flash has to leave or and I'm wondering if it's something about him giving appearance I'm actually holding off on my ticket and it's GonNa Change is really GonNa depend for me on if going to bring it back home mind you these are also the same people who win the first movie came out where Colin J.j Abrams Hack but now he's going to save it that'd be one of these things similar to end game where everybody is kind of freaking out able to pull this off traveling or narrow it I feel like it's marine to be I feel like it's it from Rian Johnson who really ruined it oh you like George Martin supposed to save a game of thrones I'll I totally somebody today's late I think well I think what you have right now is to camps so you have the camp that is very much so I definitely cried last yet I think I cried more second time I saw it the second time I went back beautiful like I was losing it in sound just GonNa bring my own set a tizzy we have good seats so I think it's one of the every the first day and everybody's like freaking out and everything's going to be

Kelly John Rian Johnson MTR Shanna luther Liars Portland Maori Jj Kara Ogle Wego Colin J.j George Martin one hundred percent forty eight hours twenty four hours thirty minutes three months
333: Marley's Mellow Mood

Overnight Drive

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333: Marley's Mellow Mood

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I come back in one. Hour of moaning moaning fire. Our and the orgasm comes up eventually. See if i'm the person who's making these noises. I think it's fake. I didn't want him not that good. I don't know. I gotta keep going along. It's nice when you gotta keep going. People who are in really long term relationships. Is there like you were in a really long. Is it that there's a dialogue. Just die cry. You've been married for a long time. does the dialogue. But you guys are still very much in love or even very beautiful. You haven't lost. Either of your currency i see you guys are more as well. They won't yeah. I would say you guys are more creative than ever. And you haven't lost the cup when creative cool couples get married. They lose all that shit and then one day it will show up like wearing rockabilly shin own. What happened is like go. But you know like dialogue in the bedroom go away. Is it like like sop encouraging. Your partner mikko keep going no. That's my spot. You know like you've been you've had thousands of times at this point so like you know that the that spot but for some the say. That's my spot is you can. She's acknowledging that you know that that's what her spot with so like. Oh she's saying basically you know what. I like bright. It's great keeps craig's very quiet during this part craig's that what happens to see god. We listen to the recording of his wife. Make you feel new getting boy. What's up with the accent. Crag of another man is my mind. He's wearing free. Pardon me on things. Wade all stop. This is just said. This is the most incredible thing that's ever happened to me. Oh my god giving it in the name of this video was giving it to you so hard that you calm and all all caps lesion. Maybe you'd better can you. Can we please leave the comments. Please send mar boyfriend please. Please read the comments. Okay when you're on your period and still listen to this. What the hell we gonna do now. Time to clear my history. What does every kid here think. It's cool to be listening with their family members in the room. Moans and english screams in spanish feels bad for the husband and japanese wing. Nuts that on off. Line down door mom. What's an orgasm. I dunno never had one. Oh that's funny that an on ongoing. Wow oh my god. Everybody is emotional in different languages. Shit i'm already filing for divorce papers. Got us looking down on us right now. Saying why in the world that. I make you get list. God says that. I don't think god does anything at this point. God is kind of like hitler was still alive. You know what i mean. Because if hillary so still alive. I don't think he's still a shock. Collar green lighter houston just fucking all and delays in a hammock. God's very old. God was thirty two when he died. I built the whole fucking in the whole universe right but then not only the university. They killed him then. He came back and then they were like. Oh yeah you have to control all of us now dacoven. It's like one of the nonprofit fires. The president hires them back the perfect right. Who's the holy ghost. I've known to explain this to me. It's a ghost hosted. Go scary ghost ghost around. She normally ask for you man. Listen judgment mistake now. The as you say it you cost money you know because people men of means women of means people of means you can afford nice things. I'm starting to spend money like it's water on stuff that i need not just food. I did my. I did my annual accounting. Well my bank. My bank bank of america does this thing where they're like a year in review. What did you spend the most money on holing that. You wanna get sobered very quickly. I m keeping grubhub open. I swear to god and fucking both of credit places open like i no question now craig. The person that works at your place delia. She said we can get takata if you want really only one buys it. She said that to me. Like i'm i'm i was like. Oh good. I'm a gallon drunk. Thanks thank you. I feel great. Bring your own check. You know what. I said that i said you should set up a webcam and people could look and see. Who's at the clubhouse. That's a good idea. now i would definitely use that. I wanna bring youtube speaker and his blow that place out. Pay like keep on rockin you know what was it saturday night. I had I had nothing to do. And it's like you know what it's like. Nine o'clock feel a little froggy me go out see what's clubhouse but i was like damn if i get caught up in some like if you're not there and get caught up in some townie fucking low life. I can't do it when i stayed home. I stayed home and watched capricorn. One and i missed it. I should have reached out. That's our here. I should have reached out. I think i needed a night to sit at home. And just fucking just chill out and relax a little bit. Kick my feet up. Thinking of opening an amazon Like a storefront with an amazon amazon locker in a storefront. Think be cool. He's open like our front. Gross bodega just has amazon locker. Like were they never change out. The product is all everybody. Everybody i'd get a small business. Grant perfect high small business grant. Nice to meet you. I had one of those earlier. Somebody you met somebody in small business had a pun name. Oh my god. Oh that's a great roller derby named small business growling gen pop. Gen pop pop roller derby. Oh general population. Wow okay you when you get into gen pop in pa. You're old or you don't know how to handle yourself where you just go in your wildcard. Get in there. Get in there at fucking earn your stripes like when i was a substitute teacher i just be the quiet one. I'm like i don't know how to cut. I don't know how to figure ride your motorcycle. Halls like them principle. Sure didn't we went off. I went to jail. Which guys visit me. I would guess depends on which jail put you in. You're like dan moore dock ball than bankrupt terrible. Lose my job. i'd ask them nicely to hold my job for me. I both jobs what your whole job from was perfect memoir title. You're not bald. Promise me craig. Craig is a very nice head of hair. I'm not gonna say what it looks like when it was a very nice head of hair. Because you're still kind of a shadowy figure a lot of people don't really look like but if you start losing right which people ask be like. Oh you should do. What every other podcastone where they do alive and you see people talking and then the next day listen to it on you know the regular announced different video and then something else but i think if you never lose the long crag if you start balding have a skull scuola. I think it'd be great. Yeah to play a game. I would love to i. I played a game. It's called explain it to me. Like i'm five fifteen or twenty five and then you pick a topic and then you have to explain it to me like i'm five boy right. You're ready. do you pick the top or do i. we can It doesn't matter. I think it'd be fun right. Do not want to do. I don't know how to do it. I guess we'll see. I mean i know how to do it. I just don't know how to see whether the improv class. Never lose two fingers. God i miss craig misses. I know yeah. I promise you listen pm issue you. Although the older ladies in the crowd know what that means promising supposed to take it when he period. I took excedrin today. Did nothing had no effect. It's like the werewolf the silver bowl and you shoot the wear off. And i know effect we stopped and gotten you some fucking some wild. You know it's driving me. I feel like. I feel like david coverdale. Alluding of ominous 'cause tend to storm. I'm portending coming up. I've a lot of notes today. Because i did a lot of work today and my atarot prescription was up. I was fucking dialed in like a fuck aircraft carriers. You know speaking of. Because that's a dialed in thing. We're gonna isaac our friend isaac who is on the us as eisenhower who. It's still deployed. If you please come on or write us because we haven't heard from like six months and we're starting to get a little worried pell your stop lot one. Did we say something that you i mean. You're in the navy. I doubt that you'd say something that would offend you. Ladies and gentlemen now for an hour of uninterrupted music doubled you owe. Andy remember these guys back in seventy seven and joined the navy. What's wrong with you can join them to the navy. And then once you get out of the navy stay at the. Ymca open house good. I hit the post when i went to adorama community college. I learned that ron. Here's my teacher was called hitting the post. You're not supposed to talk over the vocal point near the right down like sailors. Stephen miller on rocking me. It'd be like write down. How long it took he had all of us. Measure all these songs a mike. Oh this has a seven second lead. So i used to talk over song. They'll be like a sort of singing over them. You shouldn't do that. Sun versus pretty good chorus. Might according to the music. i'm glen. Yeah you know we can. We can just pivot to the fucking village. People is why we should be in the podcast hall of fame craig. Everybody be like it'd be like i will go up there and craig would be with us and be like you know what we can condone without creek. Get up here in like would you go up on the stage. it'd be like the emmys. The grammys i'd be like get craig do up here. More people watching craig here and be like and then we let you do all the talking. It'd be like when dave want to video music award and he started talking over everybody every two that happen very i mean i did i kind of i do a lot of deep dives kind of a deep dive and why the fuck did he get fired anyway because the sun to make fun of him but he his unplugged he'd played full on drums. He was he had played full on. Full kit no brushes full on drums while they're trying to play like unplugged. This is after nevada's unplug. So they're really trying to take up some ground and he's like look sound like fucking. Neil pyrrhic pared back. There is a bullet and then when the video music awards he like when way too long and people only really wanna hear from eddie vedder. Everything sees us grossed. Maybe from stone gossard. Oh yeah here we go. This is a state eleven. Trust state i listen to this. Listen clinton is. This guy is such a drummer capital. Yeah hey in. His defense is a bad choice for name. Plenty of song. Listen if i knew it was going to be like this. Just plug in bring our ship as a few concert little china's symbolism and i was any and this is probably the time when you can throw brick in a drummer or to seattle hitting the fucking. He's sitting right in the middle of. They're like a the way too loud. Drums and eddie veteran even being here himself as playing full on with with spare sticks and kissing breaks one. Glad you are sir. John my funk music no bring china's symbols but it's not much but something happened where they didn't have their actual because base that were. There's a music store. But i have a strange feeling. The drum case showed up this. Yeah yeah oh yes yeah. We had a run down to read a rundown to sam ash to get get a fucking. Yeah to get an ashdown. Acoustic bass or whatever's bullshit. They had there. But you know well your whole. Dwp showed up with all the symbols. Andrew drum tech. It showed up on a boat. Wow it's weird. How that happens. I had to go to the port of newark to pick all of your drums neil. Peer was like. Hey you wanna see wanna trim down your drum kit a little bit here. He brought the dinky like like bowl. Member everybody's under those balls but he blew it. why don't we. Why don't we can talk. Dave sweden transition quickly or i love it. This is what we do is what we do i love. That's one of my favorite impressions. That's the guy that's the impression to the guy who got his. Dj stuff tipped over by that guy. Remember that guy who was like he would go to raves and tip over the dj table and that was like his big claim to fame viral claim to vamp and one of the dangers holding up. Everybody this is what we do like to get it all back together. Like just basically plug to red goes to the read the waco. The white right. That's all that's fine. Sorta fine i in right now me. I don't think ever had mead before. Yeah how do you feel about that. I don't love it it's That's why there's a reason why it went away. Yeah mead never mead notebooks when you were in middle school high school. I get three subject and i use the middle one to do my writings. Oh wow if. I have more time with my folks house. I'm going to go into the basement into my my two or three plastic tubs and pull out all my stuff and have their story mead. I never more thankful my father. Every single thing i ever owned out the second. I left the house. How why would he do that. he's a he has asperger's smaby. Musk apparently yeah killed. My doj cohen was up five hundred. It'll come back. It'll final incumbent. It'll come back. I'm going to stay the love and trust with the mead mead red mead he's me we have a sponsorship of meat need the notes company naked flock. Mead need i went to the bar and two things. I don't care where they are and cider in a mead. it's okay bar not make it naked. Mead flock i'm naked and fearless need and my and my fear is naked. As henry rollins sing on a tool song. Mealy fear is naked and fearless. Fear is negative. Craig remembers up. Greg when the real story is craig went to los angeles this past week. How correct maybe a little louder so everybody can hear him. Wow i mean taurus shit you went around and all why you didn't go one place. That was fine. he didn't go to skirrow. Beep your horn honking where ten pm and you relieving your clandestinely leaving your hotel room. And you ran into mark in the lobbying. You're both like. Oh hey and then you just walk past each other without a word. Like don't ask don't tell us what's up man. Hey what's on an man. I fucking love that fucking recording. you know. i want to tell you craig That i think you'll be really excited. You know that. Chris from georgia had experienced. Yes exactly experienced a massive renaissance on prank youtube so and there are so many channels. That are doing. Chris from georgia prank calls. Now it's amazing. I feel we will already. I'd like to think we carry a little bit of a little bit a little bit. Big pretty lean for that. Yeah yeah get on all fours and the bed have come in behind me great because people will be like hello sir. You're calling about your hundred dollar rebate. Can you please give us your name and address. And he's like back like people pretty cock. That's his name chris. Go find to utilize a lot of He cut off my favorite one. That's favor or whatever. God i listen to so much madonna than my history. A little fucked up. So i can't sorry no point because nick cave died. And you know it's It's the rips it through. We could do rips eventually. I listen to man. See i can go. I can go through my youtube history. If you like like i watched viking sky cruise ship disaster i watched piss jugs whitesnake. Is this love a lot of bad here. I here we go again covers. Yeah the fucking rules. This is really good. Watch the video today where she like. Lost sixty pounds fucking looks like my girl. Thud rose rose right. Think mary could really give the run. I wish he was fucking shit up. The best part is when she spray paints the car accidentally and the guy gets mad. The nissan z. a datsun. Three twenty acts or a nissan. The to know blazing gentlemen. Mda all madonna all the time. I'm sean duty nasty. An hour of uninterrupted madonna music got credit for coming in five o'clock hour at weather and more accurate collection on how i could play Herschel walker advice. Life advice over berlin and be a professional athlete and not really work hard in school taking the wrong role spilling borderline case. Is the big. Once you've got that as case can take it away from where they can take that touchdown wait. They can take that speed away. You break a leg break up a basketball. They never take. That is case unless you run head verse to linebacker. Then they certainly can't seats and that's not good so i didn't warn tries to lead you to try to impress my being mean digital guys. I hope everybody's listening. Ask the food and drug administration has put a ban on menthol cigarettes and also flavored cigars and no more black and tan. Yup socks i just bought a black and tan. And i smoked at my house because i just want to because my new thing is this summer i want to like the guy who smokes book because the people at the club has smoked cigarettes in the open like they stand like really close like. Oh i'm sorry my is bothering you. And i wanna be like yes yes it is. I just want to sit there and smokes. Black and tans of the would tip the wine flavor you know and i smoked it in the smell off but i still wanna buy effect right like you did. It's going to go in that shit. Yeah we're gonna be in like in nine months we're gonna be standing outside. The weeds stores selling fucking menthol cigarettes. And dodging cars store on street about definitely from open it up. So that's the way. It is pretty cool. Cool world cu world cool world education download cool world now anytime i mentioned movie. I haven't seen in a long time. Like i'm going to go. Download that down on a fucking streak. We're going to tell you adult. I saved so many videos today. That i don't know where to start the came in. Oh god so awesome Yeah no. I think i'm gonna go with that all right well. I don't wanna reps yet one working toward the same shirt as you today. This would have been awkward. That would have been great. No everybody's people aren't buying my streetwear. Some noticed some ladies or buying or wearing a now under craig. I'll get you. Would you like one of these crack. All right she'd get a sample of saying yes. Wow it'd be like imagine craig over me. Yes yes feels good. Can you say yes. It feels good. Craig craig craig's our. Yes it feels good really good all right. Oh i love when near my trauma trying to end on a truck to automatic atomic toy automatic. Lebron ladies and gentlemen craig dutra playing is doing is playing a lift of tell madonna cover the other day. This is me me now. I have a little good. Mix a little setup. That doesn't sound very good because on my desk there. But i figured i'd ever been updated and where i'm at musically which was nowhere fast. Oh but speaking of fast guests who wanna goddamn fucking local music awards. I couldn't tell. Oh yes it is so real. I want a what's called an eddie. Which is an edison award for best electronic. So what happens now. What are you waiting to get my award. I have to call a. I have an ace in the hole person. I used to work with at saint. Rose college of saint rosie dying died on the vine private college points. It's not a college. But i He works there now. And i'm like one of my going to get my award. My eddie the eddie awards. I couldn't believe it all the time. So many people ask so many people got me. It was really nice and you know if anybody has been questioning my salt as an artist. I may have only recorded Nine songs since twenty fifteen award-winning but i'm award winning. It's quantity not quality. Wait quality mccormick. I love my life. I did that on purpose. To craig laugh all right well. I thought he's playing mattress site year. The best electric views. Yeah yeah. this is my cover of dude. Sandstorm people the guy who said it was like the best electronic music artists goes to bear mattress and then there was like three people like You could have went. And i didn't know because i was gonna say yeah. Somebody told me they're like oh. Yeah at the last minute. They let people come and i was like. They didn't tell anybody they could cut. It was like four people and every time. Somebody wanted us like a smattering of applause. Just made it sound so fucking local on weird but the last time there was an award show the same thing. People who had respect for had respect for got real mad real time mad super soft. It didn't win and it was. Oh my god it was such sean for it was like people were tweeting at them. I starting hashtags. Because they didn't win it was insane. It was nuts. Like people are really trying to have a moment. And i loved i. The implication of calling it fair mattress is eight is. Is there called bear. Nikkan animal like the homosexual yup mayor mattress. Different people have made that suction before. If i shave my beard. I'm just a dude right. this is all i have. I have this cover of dha. Stan star stand storm sandstorm. I have alex jones screaming and yelling. Here's a here's the different mike. He has a chorus of reminding compilation. Like twenty years been bugging out. Why is he yelling of the eddie. I know him losing the eddie. Yeah that's when they said my name. Everybody else got very mad. That's wonderful also. The best clipper scares office. How can assist you. What's going on man yes You like fucking got issues me. Sure nice joking there are you. Are you okay over there sure. Yeah okay how. Can i help you sir sir. Rural reports your number two local authorities. Are they that well. I'm gonna. I figured that. I before. Because i love frank phone calls so much but people macauley my my bullshit. Because i haven't been done prank. Phone calls lebron. So i just thought that maybe i'd do a couple of prank phone calls. Oh yeah just to set the mellow mood and make things happen. What do you think craig. Oh yeah i'm gonna do right now. I'll madura now. And i'm not going to tell him a magazine online buddy where i'm going. No no no. Because i can't do plugged in so. Yeah so sorry pill. I know it's not going to sound great but i certainly will You're sitting there thinking about a way to make the mike work on your on right now. I see you doing it in real time. don't you don't you don't do. We share the same affliction. Hey what's up to motherfucker now. Does it work that way. Will it work that were now. I know what you're talking about. I just made the buzzing. Go cool thank you all right so this might work and might not but i haven't done it a while and i feel really good about. They don't answer. Usa means a gas station answer. The phone is going to let it raw. Can you imagine it was andrew's idea to call the us again. it's fine. no. Because there's other ones that are mandated to to pick up so just saying this wanna definitely calling it just another one real quick. Haven't done it franken so long that i feel really good about this one craig laughs. I'm just craigslist as he was doing anything else. Ringing so funny to the patient really gets me. I can't believe why. Oh no definite answer the phone. Stewart's oh yeah yeah got this work got this work come on man. Do one and i thought about this. I thought about this. The other day thought about this earlier today with andrew. Andrew is here and as we're spit balling things just fallen right now. Trying to figure out how to get more listens our engagement. May we have no problem with that man. We don't got no problem with that hooker by crook for some reason. People still don't understand. But i'm thanking all right here. We go is important. Call us at work anymore. that's true. Remember there's nobody there. We quint quit high stewart's I got a bunch of people coming over ruined right how are you. Oh i got a bad phone. Can you hear me now all right. I'm sorry I got a bunch of people coming over. You know it's a monday night He has marley's mellow mood. Marley's mellow mood the drink. it's got yes he's mellow mood. It's got a got. Thc in it. can you check. I'd have anything beer. it's it's a. It's a beer. It's more like an ice tea. It's more like an ice tea. I say it's just a refreshing drink. It's not it's not a beer. It's called marley's mellow mood like. Bob marley reggae music. Thank you for checking trying to get some. This is so much harder to do with them. Not from the safety of skype where they can't hear me. It's true because if not then if they don't have it then we're going to have to go somewhere else. I want to be loyal to stewart's in this infinite whole holds. A good man had marley's mellow mood. I've never heard of it so you started talking about okay All right well. No no no. I'm not only wanna come through. I just wanna make sure you The you have what we were looking for Yes you got the red bull you have. The one has nothing in it. The the the zero as no sugar. No no additives preservatives. No i know there's one that's just like zero doesn't have nothing in it. Oh no. I don't want to have that cigarette features mike any good. Is it any good. Like i said we got a bunch of people coming over and we just wanna stay up all night trying to stay up all night. You know what. I mean out with that. Yes still do hot food inside. The gas prices going up. Because what's going on with the pipeline. Got the yes. Gas prices. Going up the The pipeline from messed up meyer at the gas is going to go up. Yeah how much little bit. That's not bad six cents. I'm gonna come back and get the how many how many cans readily think you got and stock. Do you have that. The of that The the of that beer. That's coffee too. i think it's pbr. Coffee cores labatt blue. Yeah of course lights. Silver bullet right. We'll be all right now. We're gonna come by. We'll be by about me. It's going to be about fifteen people all right see you. What's up. I'm sorry i didn't hear you know we're not all come in but you'll see us. Thanks fine. i wasn't me. I wasn't means taste good asking about you know. I just want to know about marley's mellow mood. Because i was. I was asking about marlins mela mood and then i wanted to get us back up and running. Oh hang up off. Something tells me she out any fine. What did you expect if you're going. If you're working a stewards. Expecting to you know. Sit around a boardroom. Table is a rude awakening for. You sometimes need fucking look in the cooler for people. You know. Isaac isaak's set of best in one of his sons. Gotta make your money and roll on the money and roll on where you know. You can have a work life balance whether you're digging ditches. Or whether you're you know stock and marley's mellow mood i wanna try marley's bounce out but it's like waco or to make money then tonight. I found that out the hard way. Because i used to feel guilty about making money. No more no. I used to feel like oh. I'll do that judge if you have too much money. You won't be accepted in the old neighborhood anymore on my checkbook on purpose issue off my gold. Pinky rain no degrade. Because i read iceberg slim's autobiography diarrhea pimp and he used to put and put fifty on top and drop it. Drop it in front of one of his inch in front of his house. They were loyal. And i bet i could do that in front of like some friends and see what happens. You should definitely try. Yeah you're gonna cost me like maybe seventy bucks fifty dollars thuggery and i would see that would be a great pranks who picks up and say anything. Let's last time we saw if the dollar bill a feeling probably one hundred. That'd be funny. One hundred and the put the white. I fifty one's and not put a hundred on top. I drop my wife embassy my maiwand and get another another takata. Yeah apparently takata put a one of them not thought the fifty on top. But it's good. It's a good test. I like them a good test. Us test happened. If one of the host twelve in the bucket didn't work out too well for the The lady oh didn't work out for to offer him either. Is she still with us. No no yes. I don't know stops talking about them. Getting killer he didn't he didn't she's not this green yard. He didn't kill anybody book. It it's a great book. Though i listened to the entire audio book and one night is one of the things i put on On something as background noise. And then you're like fuck i'm listening. To those editors it is in his voice and it is so good at such such a good book because the talks about the golden era in chicago in the thirties and forties. And like my god just just pimping one of his one of his contemporaries had an awful lot as a pet. How i don't know how moore pimp you can get than that as that is that is like i swagger like people talk about swag swag is not having like a supreme backpack. That's not swag swag is a derivative of swagger which is how you yourself right. But that's the have the mental state of mind to want to have an ocelot as a pet and it also becomes a guard. Animal is amazing to me. And that is the leash. Yes that is the epitome of swag. God i wish i could do that. I really want a domesticated links and nobody excise cat. I really do and to but to take it to the dog. Park would be a hoot because this is a cat that really stocks soft animals dogs of soft bellies dogs animals was. Yeah yeah that's links. That's what the dog park with. Sound like billy community. Failing sounds like drugs. Doing brantley who bailey bailey. Beagles trying to run around run admiral. It'd be the name of my domesticated innings. Admiral get over here. You bad just a cat. But i was like stories. Oldest time catherine's doll. Greg is the wildcat of a wild animal. No secret colts maureen. We'll take a picture of and seek fix put putting fix somebody walking all on a leash. That's amazing pulled up and be like spotted links. I'll do it to be like three or four. People doing pitcher links. Somebody's walking around with a domesticated links in the park and My might ten pound chihuahuas not not having although tough not having to put my plug my back before anyways when we listen rips. Let's do some rips. I love talking. About whatever i thought about that today on the way home because my drive is become very arduous. Wasn't there and i thought it was me and about god. I just love going through and talking about whatever talk this oh my god is my favorite. It's good to talk that mess. And it's a mess. Weird like people around. Here are so incapable of just talking about whatever like such regimented. Shit that when. I walked and i walked from my house to whole foods a couple of days ago to walk. It's whatever league along the way everyone's just in a good mood. And i was just walking down the street. Like i'm fucking kramer just talking to y knows but i was like man mike. Apparently i can talk to. Why better than fucking people. I know because why does let's talk about whatever they're just down they just wanna fuck and interact. I love it. Are you aware of the no farm vow. Wow you know the thing about In there you might as well open my wallet and take my whole paycheck italia. Low when i walk in there my bank calls me sir. We think you're going to be making a big purchase. We see your whole foods. And i say only getting a bottle of seltzer. Look at the price sandbars. Does this go. I went to i went. I went to adopt a cat the other day. One hundred twenty five dollars one is one is from former burma. One of spain. Thank you thank you for that comedy bid. Please keep that always. We always do that when we have you know. Do it again. But i want to tell jokes. That's not going to have no not going silence. Basically what you want. I to come over with this training. What's the deal with me having to do improv rich cardi. Wow come on man. Being able to yeah. We brought any comment on the state. Like what is about pills a baseball player. That is starting this year that he has no problem keeping an eye on the ball. That's good baldwin bankrupt. We're we're gonna play a game. Explain it to them. I come five never did okay. Well i'm going to do some rips right now. Is that okay with everybody. I guess is that okay with you not like that. I put you on the spot. It's fine i'm just gonna leave. I don't know what why don't you. Why don't you have judy. Co hosts a podcast. Oh much okay so averse to verse to fighting never never fought again. Nice with biden's fight a while Episode of plan brotherhood big. It really drunk. They get into a fight neighbor cord the end of their fight where they're focused on leaving your sayings of bullshit about my daughter and they storm off dog back like nothing happened. Never mentioned it nuts so so we do that to some reality shows. Stage a fight. How announcing man. I haven't been imagine anybody really long time. But i get mad all the time and i'll get like i suck shouting. I give up. I don't make noy arguing like near near relationship. Arguing is the worst. I memorial day. Amazing grace memorial day is coming up marla day's coming up everybody our phone brothers and sisters. I got your six. And i just want to let you know isaac any of our other fallen the fallen i think he said on that big dakhla wind blowing. It probably fell down of listener tomb of the unknown. Listen irs rates mere blocks away from the tomb of Oil palmer we have got to go to oriole palmer's fucking memorial memorial. Yeah very important. Yeah quite his grave. Yeah and i would be like. When i saw his name. I was gobsmacked to isolated idiots at my memorial. Hey he was very in shape he ran to the top and then he got more than you bargained for multiple ten twelve. Okay well. This is a wonderful ambition of amazing grace undoing rips my rips have an audio component but this is a very good idea i like the amazing grace now. Most people think that. I'm going right into the tony attain. Who is a Socialite a singer former Liaison of oj simpson as well as robin king. Crosby ap and also david coverdale from white snake. And you'll find out very soon at a lot of people get this a little bit wrong. When they're thinking when they put too nobody ever puts to into together and makes four. That was just like oh. This is what i remember. So i'm gonna do but i'll show you. After nick came as a very interesting story. he was a background singer. Backup singer I also ran. He's a good looking guy is a british guy. Good looking guy. He ended up weighing. He ended up. Landing a gig. Zeke sky looking landed a gig as a as a backup singer for madonna. Now madonna was offered a song called each time you break. My heart was a little freestyle song. and it was written by steven blush. Who wrote a lot of her songs but it was ultimately passed on. But i just want to play the song for everybody. This is the demo version and this is supposed to be on the you can dance maxi single but it was discarded. I'll tell you why in a moment smick In the background a little bit little freestyle little freestyle was. I really kicking off in miami beach. Hot mix bob rosenberg Help out with this. He's playing keyboard based on this and he was in the band will to power for another red-hot style group He oh he complained on the podcast recently that he received no royalties replying on this demo. And i said you've been in music for this long and you don't understand how that works but anyways. Yeah this is okay. Now this is a madonna song. This time madonna was you know auditioning for like dick tracy and shit like that. So that's coming up a lot for me lately. How weird anyway. So madonna was. This is the period of Madonna's life where she would take people under her wing. Basquiat keith. Haring an came in because was like the buffalo wing dying interest. It's really weird bus You know the keep your enemies close. You know that kind of thing precise but she gave the songs. Nick came in and reached european success. Different key of course but right. This is better topic pumps top of the pops number one. I love is that he is like the right time. Right place guy. He's not famous for anything other than this stuff. But he died yesterday. And i just wanted to. Nobody knows this. But i just wanted to know what happened. You might only person fucking ripping him. Yeah i am. I am now. Obviously we hear that he's not as good madonna. Of course honestly. I think that was a better version so madonna. I did some reading. Madonna wished that she had recorded the song. In retrospect because the you can dance a single was was rushed out as she was doing like super to your to your world war. We'll buy tour But she instead of she wanted to recruit nick to be his bat her one of her background singers and dancers. Unfortunately he couldn't dance so she gave the song she gave a song called. Tell me Well madonna in between dates like literally. She was like jubilee. They people give demos while. I'm like a date lane between tokyo and rome or whatever so she went to a studio tried Do you hear. Nick came and singing on. The back is not because he didn't know any of the words so he just wanted to the studios like okay. So this is another madonna demo featuring the came in the background and by this time they were dating lovers because he's a good looking guys. Craig noticed this. Is the people playing on this world. Where tore bans sugar for moffitt on drums. And they're just like oh. We're just going to write this song in a day. It's not it's just like a ten in the background doesn't really know the kind of moaning in the background. Oh yeah so. He doesn't really he's kind of lost and so he just seemed like. Tell me. tell me in the background. Obviously there was chief but this shows are the state of the music industry at the time. She flew him in from england to like milan to record. Because there are also loves The song house is originally called me but she rejected it and gave the song to nick again. Right time place At the time they become lovers the song emerged. As tell me by came in with madonna doing background vocals for him instead. When you bring. Listen i and now. This is the polish version of tell me released. I came in in nineteen hundred might mumbling totally different song structure less busy so far. He's very it is and it's an super known. Song filled a high price video. The madonna was supposed to be in. Here's the here's the hook. Madonna is interesting solid interesting the hair from the demo to the original and him kind of eking out some sort of lyrics And he played festival bar in rome in nineteen eighty eight and he shared the stage with baltimore and fox fox and then after that he had a bunch of other hits and then did nothing for the rest of his life. There are a lot of people who have hits an era. That can just fucking coast on that. Madonna tweeted yesterday. You were a beautiful person will miss you bomber. What have i dunno boredom modem. So fuck listening right now with him listening to old madonna. Demos too much but yeah. I thought that everybody would like to know. I know that some people just bring a little bit of weirdness some good flavor that he was like the weird like we're pumpkin of where he's like he's like oh you wanna do this and then like it was weird because they just. She just kept giving him songs and he'd be like okay. I'm just like a model. I model five. Oh one jeans. And i can't really interesting but recipes and name came and gone too soon at fifty nine years old and i don't i guarantee i'm the only person even talking about him right now on earth. Except for his family. Madonna and madonna who away flicking her being remembered remembering their lovemaking sessions before sean penn was even in the picture but Let's get to the main event really quickly Rest in peace tawny contain now. Nobody knows how to pronounce her last name. I'm just going to say that out front Does anybody remember who tawny contain is. Do you remember a ton. Containers kidding downloaded gwendolyn. Yesterday i was like. Oh i haven't seen gwendolyn since i was like a nine year. Right like touching. His fucking has lasted issues. An actor she was as she also Had a lot of this is a great song. Now this is Is this love by david. Coverdale and whitesnake. John sykes formerly of thin lizzy guitar. And this is tonic. Moving out packing a bag and giving up a lot of money and fame to break up with david. Coverdale doesn't seem to care at all but this is a very like sexy song by if quiet storm had a metal equivalent this would be like this is definitely like baby making music but for people who live in trailer seem committed to the bit. They seem like there was already a rod stewart staff. What i love is that she came back in with their stuff and he's this is probably what happened. A bunch of times new. Come back come back door. I needed come crawling back now. Let's get to the chorus. This is a great day. Still play to red beach. My favorite one of my guitar lessons ripping off onto fifty dollars off of ellen. An i son this to roommate once when they're on a date i went downstairs and they sit him in. The first date was on the couch and said you use low on feel. I sung it block in the kitchen and she left and i was like. Yeah i kinda like kinda like the thing for moved out of the the the final blow anyways so we're gonna get the some contain videos because there's a lot of sad dudes going like. oh well. Just want tonic attaran died. I can't believe us. So here. In new video from rene from spain to the video vixen. That's tolmie kitten my view. Please greg the hammer. Valentine steitz now out me. A lot of these people think that she played in whitesnake zsa which is so brain dead. She did not play. She's on a member of whitesnake channel for for some time remember. She's most famous for wanting to get rid of her double d implants and she was on the television show. Beverly hills plastic surgery. Talking about the book was gonna work on a book. A book very young somebody. I hope it's going to bring a bachelor party. all right. he was middle. Ed's guy's name is metal. Gods six six nine saturday afternoon. Video here on middle raging rob metal often watching maturity like video hit the sky. Bow down below my really disrespectful at he's pumping himself and his channel while he's talking about such a sensitive subject great eulogy. Mike what do you. What did you go to let her funeral with a fight. Your podcasts shirt on ever more in morning and you just want to disappear for a while. Sent to my podcast click. The bell goes the other one gives the eulogy that would be so funny. I almost wish i was dead. I'm definitely going first question. Yesterday was wondering if i've got a solid five years left solid my heart shit and my my lack of care and and continued drinking. I don't think it's going to last over you. Get to chapman. Debt bill on my vacation. Hello is about tony kitten. Upload your video thanks. This is twenty six minutes long. My god wilson. This man's disabled this nuts on this saturday afternoon. May the eighth two thousand twenty one kinda crappy hyun east today. Threes albany overnight. And this morning fucking bob kabbage. Mind greg tano here at the weather. Neil astana down. South like like moses date two of her ten day excursion in And sunny florida moon at this. Go yeah just to see what happens for another mostly. All right ladies and gentlemen. Oh you met hedge get ready. It's time for a mental video. Two minutes and forty seconds to get to it. And i love the effectively dismantled sector class. God tap there is a merciful. God that's that the night the fucking he leaves the chew falls asleep with a hot bowl. Is the night that that fucking battery stops working. And then you're good. They're twenty two subscribers will be disappointed. Dude big wow axel. What metal video. I haven't done a metal video. Lyle ball mostly. This is losing just off music. This being gets a subscribing for sure guys channel the metal gods mental. God's six six nine six six nine get in there as i clicked the bell big. I talk music but mostly i do Recipe videos have gotten mahmod. Evolve fuse holy shit. He's he reviews. Tna impact videos just to get is what it is most of my owes skipping we anger to course lugers. This is great this video. You know this is a review of smackdown in the heavy metal community or ago coming off any owns death. He thinks she played music a few months ago detectives time she has a better day. You know. I wish you blink. Maybe one or two. What instinct is it. Td icon eight akon as below size. We've lost the original seven minutes into the video. Finally gets to the point in the heavy metal community clinic was the original eighties video vixen. Now what is a video. Vicks sickly geiger counter. Great wow i mean for a raid on the same time cover. I don't think you know coming. Okay so linked to this. I can't find him. I i was. I was looking at a different guy. With a similar navy. Eighteen a huge icon for rock and heavy metal didn't play a note and then he band and then we get to the people who are like. Oh we just want to celebrate your music. Tawny high unbelievable. Thanks for the music. Tony this is this one is titled thanks for the music on it contained how we are. We are doomed. We are fucking yeah. He's looking at the camera. Like if tony was still around and give her the blocks. I'd fuck and put the blocks tour focused on the big. So he's playing for. John sykes part and fucking. How do i know that So it's just a cacophony of nonsense here and it only gets worse. I'm gonna keep going here. That's okay with everybody ukulele tribute. Oh she's playing barcodes trying to correct store. That's on there you go. This is folks waiting for my man was should be here now. You remember the guy. Last week is waiting zuber guber right now. Same guy was dna. Believe in the meantime. I'm going to pay my respects to miss johnny contain. She was the model and actress. Who you may remember was in the three white steak video number of whitesnake. Remember right stay stake. She passed away yesterday at the age of fifty nine. No cause of death was revealed yet. She's not only best. Remember those three videos there that she appeared in dancing everywhere looking all hot and sexy or movies prior everywhere talk called the perils of gwendoline houses starred as tom hanks love interest and soon to be bride and in the movie bachelor party and sheds a long history Hang shoes to hang out with a lot of the la glam bands from the eighties. You may remember that. It was her legs that was on the cover of rats. First release a six song. Ep simply titled rat decade out in one thousand nine hundred. Eighty three starred in uber's here america's funniest overseas with a nissan. Sentra driver only wait five minutes. She also started in the new w aarp in cincinnati which aired undefeated. Very sad news to report. Back tony contain has passed away by martian. Italian guy king. It sounds like stands including the album out of the cellar. Larry king thing known for being married to david coverdale whitesnake for years playing bass for what's nichols keyboards deniro's and goodfellas to cut ties between all the montreal though yummy maritally a baseball player. And you only two thousand a lot of bad things going on then. Fortunately she has passed away at the age of fifty nine rest in peace. Twenty eighteen cm. She okay. I don't know why he says the end. She and Beetlejuice beetlejuice speed. Finally we have sweep. We have something called a sweeping up spirits. Tarot reading the a tiny. We are going to be finding out what these are cooking in the background. Geiger counter to somebody's started evacuating in the background. Blinker on as well. God vacuuming vacuuming important. Sarah rating for tonic van. In the energy of you getting big ask w though. I'm glad i've got a couple of reasons taught to contain herself. Last little my son to accidentally head it bumped into something and it fell out just like this. I mean like that so this is the last video. She did three weeks before death. Your teeth are fine. Died of leprosy. It stayed in for a couple of days. And then i moved around and i could feel it move higher. It's like oh jeez. This thing is not going to be good. This thing truth changed since your little baby child. Four-months-old go fund. Got it for me and says this is tonic. Attained show some respect probably because the radiation asli vacuuming was later. She had some maybe links snuck in a house some very senior god folks when you get old too much older ones sit ups i can be doing some sit ups and just a couple of things that i want you to make sure you do. Why you're doing this. Setup says for one bring your knees shows called hard stars by the way it's a great. It's a great youtube follow because it has every weird old celebrity doing their fucking workout video because it was moneymaker back. Then everyone would buy it. That's where i got herschel. Walker advice from hard yup. That's it you missed one. We have sat on the role of former model turned actress. Tony contains died. Wow send us from the world of us it years old and she was known for being in several whitesnake videos. I'm she was in this law. This on you ruined us off the cuff. Though he's like he's good. I'm still think it was another one. She did which is another reason. Finish them and she was home preparing hercules films with kevin sorbo but she was like a pinup like a one. She was very twice. She was married to Covered from eighty nine hundred ninety one and then choose joy spartak and tells them to She had a history of like Like help out of drug issues alcoholic issues So sorry you describe it. Took to and for whatever reason she beat the shit all he filed for divorce shit like just does happen but she was an actress. Big time actress truly had like forty five rules in her acting career soap And everything kind of derailed her career appoint a comes after she sean friendly for several years. She didn't extra. Nobody wanted to work with her sad. To see somebody dies thirty nine by you know but her death was confirmed by her daughter but no cause of death has been given. So that's just part skim. It looks broken up crime but she was also a role in bachelor party. Which was a or film. I don't think i've ever saw patchy shiro period ernest. The it's time for them to look right now. We have sydney swans and happy. Hit the situation somewhat from your family. Nine they love you and love. Your mom bunches your day especially for away. Fans preferred family healthcare. Oh thirty second birthday. We love you. Love holly mom. Tammy's on for you and your big party. Go smooth john and the living liu brooklyn happy or your big party. Go smooth love beth. And let's see gave asher happy from mom dad brother king birthday enormous firm mature. Peter fits in well. Peter fits and fits. Well took me a second. That's that's great. Damn what we got questions and misconceptions what do you feel Let's see questions watching actions the end. I made sure to not make sound on the questions. I'm sorry thank you. Has anyone ever called you a name. That actually offended you ever worldwide. Remember ever a child sure that did but now know what about you I like. I don't like oh yeah you hate big man. What about your to on last time. You wanted to punch somebody didn't use. Yeah it's like. Oh you know what genuinely punch somebody with no regard for what would happen afterward like that blind rage not in a long time. I'm a long long long time. But i thought i there have been a few times this very recently. I've been like it'd be really fun to fucking to really starch this but i never thought of that but i never. I would never follow through unless it was freaky starch. Yeah it would never like go for it unless you know provoked Shown duties air cells. Exactly the same as what. I imagine the people who write miss connections to forty male here. Sure he's forty one of the big four for sean. You shaun d h craig gotta be daddy's medicine up there on upstairs right upstairs. The focus had let's go stick with his changed and say she's set myself. Holy shit dude ads. The line six pedal drained yet it to censor a pain in the area Who's the skater between hans short to the same question who's the best roller skater. Kidding me no idea. I'm a very top heavy guy sunday. He's trips over. If anybody who andrew would probably be able to pull it off on a skateboard with slake first clinton term. Yes no that was yeah. That was like no way. No way to a mortgage refi closing suit no tie loafers loafers. No socks i. i'm a big fan via loafers. No socks jeans. Nice shirt check. Yep there you go somebody can take off and go somewhere else and you still look pretty good fit anywhere you can go to cheesecake factory freak. My roller derby roller derbies. Covad rita chroma. Oh chrome vegetable. Sue babe ruth to rimas. Oh my god bongabon. Rita is amazing. The other ones. I don't know about. I do like the idea of a roller derby. Girl being called grimace. That's true under our breath on grandma's Did they pass around the hat. Zomba mad cow covert now. Didn't that's probably why they got in trouble. No checks zomba weren't able to use twitter for a day because Them dealer. I talked about this on the livestream but not that many people watch it at least live. I don't ever look to see how they watch afterwards All your friends who posted panic names about that. Go ahead and get it like. Hey don't get sick. Anyone at all anyone gets sick. It's actually it's good. I'll thanks craig i was. I was only half joking ngong. Thank you Yeah i mean it would actually be interesting if it the scientists. I'd be like this is actually interesting important. Data like like we don't have to do. It will have to pay a hundred people jumper jump on each other to see if it's transmitted did that instead of hating. Why don't you just want. Why can't they study the science. Has you in order to trust the science. You can't listen to scientists very important aspect of don. Those my doctors are wrong all the time. Sure your weight. Listen to and fully support aside cast of y'all just vibing doobie brothers and steely dan any of day of the fucking week. Wow it's all i listened to. Things were bleak his hell last year as going to happen. I don't think we could definitely do it. I mean just when we just when we silly dan last time but when gaucho started off god tell dr west when we run content in a life sentence tune that jungle music down just swimming. Instagram pages does the war. Addams family need for christ's sake what happened to that. Rise records money producer. Craig's insights appreciated. No money i mean if you're if you get signed to a label you immediately. Oh the money. that's how it works so scam right. It's a recuperable. Then video right said on. Everyone only remembers the one fucking clip of nick looking fucking bizarre worlds slams. That's the that's the that's the recuperable money. And every time he put out a record you get deeper in debt. They don't tell you that so it's like a one day. Would you rather see hot water. Music headline the fest back to back nights or have ryan ben. White deleted youtube channel. Oh well getting me. This isn't even a question. I wanna music a joint hot water music. Yeah i'll i'll tell george rebelo to get off those drums. Because is a new drummer anton. Slide over the jerry. Buscher just got a fucking say such nerds. How do you think you're gonna die real talk. I think about this because they got a weird diagnosis about a month ago. Where it's like. If i dr of course was like well. If you watch eaten cut down your drinking you'll be fine. Like and i was like okay and then i proceeded to l. o. l. did basically eat taco bell and mike chocolate chip muffins. Every morning but I think it's going to be some mild like mama. This is some kind of medical thing that like prevents me from doing what i used to do. And then it's going to be like i'll hang out less and less and then slide right. It'll just be a slow slide until like pig champion style. I'll live in my folks and my folks are leaving house to me. So i wouldn't my folks house and guns falls and i'll kind of fade out touchy brain shit over. But i'm just going to be like. Hey man you know. This is not manifest destiny. I'm not making this happen. I'm just like i'm not manifesting this. I'm just thinking like down the road like i know me and i know my level of laziness very fucking strong and i'm thinking that is just going to be some sort of like debilitating medical condition that makes me infinitely less cool infinitely less sexual less vital like less everything and it's just going to be a terrible time where i constantly balanced whether or not i wanna keep living. That's all right that's wild. That's the best i can do. I think they're going to die. I like happily of old age more. And i mean this this another sounds like a stupid thing that i'll say people roll. There is actually in bat. I'm glad my die in battle. I said if like the bombs are going to your house. we're gonna read don right. Yeah exactly like i'm. I'm a bit convinced that more and more daily Do you know that Red city radio is playing a festival. Reality radio gen. Pop wired up and big super bloom. We self defense was that they were best. Firm does firm. Trafton is the trapped under casket lottery. Oh oh oh. It was banned from jersey. That got big no. I'm just trying to confuse you for mock. Mock orange wealth. We we all play with red city. Radio does sound familiar. Asshole him after the best after my time was that flowed itself in. Oh she fled onto the fest and burn them. Having gainesville october twenty ninth thirtieth and thirty first two thousand twenty one k greg ago. so so what. Music is a headlining fest night one. They're playing their album of flight. And the crash night to all fan requests. So can i be like smoking. Water all fan requests. How are they going to work. That would require fans songs for an hour straight. Yes you play google's night hell google's night out roll hands cruel man crew integrate those bills doc hopper's doc hopper by god doc hopper from the nine. These are playing fest. Somebody needs to put their kid through community college radon. Jesus this is just like the no i. This is like the no idea. Delete ben good. God we put a drill through your All of your out cds the because we thought that you weren't abandoning more than you are the draft weird camp trash. Wow this is a Well big bet. The big bands are of course. Grow this frank. Turner lawrence arms murder by death. Wonder years. good riddance torch. Aficionado teenage bucket bottle rocket strike anywhere. Modern life is war. Comeback kid ten. Somebody named tim berry a wilhelm. Scream mustard plug into it over our friends from the surviving members of into it over it. Or travis travis shuttle is doing an acoustic piebald performance on the no sleep and atticus stage Also former thieves make-do-and-mend and the reunion of Royal psalms which is going to be hotly anticipated Form mints and. Tim cappello sola. Thank god. I'm so glad tim cappello still out. I believed was believed michelle branch vanessa. Carlton lady adams deck yes. This is called. Jen's couch catch gen. The sky also add. Francesca begay to that principals. Could begin. do you remember that video. I found a guy fucking singing badly over michelle branch about shooting. People s really good deadly prey. Hollywood cop strike commando tales from the dead zone housekeeping also nineteen eighty-seven movies if you made these all up with producer. Craig please cue up the canned laughter. So hans do tight five on the pull out method all right here we go. This is a lot of. i don't think i could do a type five on the pull out method. This is because i have to make time it with tell you what anyways guys so everybody here is that sex. Raise your hand. If everybody here's had sex is see a couple of you haven't raised on raising your hands okay. Can you get leave please. Just getting Well okay so everybody knows about the poll and pray method right. Nobody hears bought condoms on a long time right. Can we all agree. The condoms are old tech. It's like and whatever the upgraded condoms you know. I got a new iphone every year. but more. In the same damn rubbers. I were in high school. I want to slick robert. I want the tesla. I want any designing my rubber. I want this to go one out of space. I want to make sure that it doesn't break at this point. Can we decide that. We're going to have good. Make the condoms for now on. Because they're not gonna break goes up to brag about their pullout game but ladies. Where do you want. Do you ever tell them where you want them to shoot it because it's just kind of shoot at wherever and Discussion worth having you. Miss your with your boyfriend right now. Yeah your from your local dating. Have you gotten to the point where you've had intercourse okay. Good good now. Where do you want him to shoot it. On your tommy. Of course everybody's telling me no. Do you like it or is that just worries shoots it. Okay well now. If i was going to answer for you i would say back. No okay well. I'm not gonna put you hot water man. But i'll tell you i was with the girl the other day you know suspend disbelief. I was actually having sex with somebody. And and and i said hey you know i was like where do you want it and she said. Oh you know i. It's hard to talk when you're having sex now. I was like you know. I was fucking her so hard that she couldn't talk. I slowed down. And the wherever you usually do it. So i went home and jacked off of my stomach anyways. Thanks a lot of my time things. Everybody was like high five on pulling out to check. Great can't wait to fucking die. People talking in the background music. Great if i was doing it and nobody was taught. Everybody's just this is what doing an open mic. And he's like he again so They're opening bars again. You don't have to order food anymore. Yeah so it's going to be I sat down. Eight burger hate without a mask on the other day and it was awesome. I finally i. I had a tender match in january of twenty nine twenty twenty and we finally got to meet up. But i had a show or my immune card i before she would talk to me. That has to be a thing that has to be a thing. Yeah you're feeding me lines of stage. You're not music just isn't hasn't been the same. Since the pandemic hit the other day i was listening to vanessa. Carlton she said that. Well you know it's You guys are hoping carlton is right. Here yeah we got to get some brits here you know i haven't done this very much. Feels like my favorite porn nervous. First timers right right. She's got that. Vanessa carlton's got that song called Thousand miles more like a thousand masks after this is all over right anyways. That's my time. Thanks my name's andrew. Oh you're fine no very good thank you. Dj for playing me out. Carl up next. We happened to be dating so guys. Sorry she's taken voice. Thank you so much guys you might be able to look. I get to touch those tits. And also pass. If i'm nice and if i don't drive home old dinged up. Maybe she'll let me in anyway. All right all right usually reset recent all right. Let's start the episode over okay. Here's one more funniest hoping funniest anecdote has to be hans. His dad calling him jeff to impress his scottish bagpipe. Friends true that happened. Certainly i actually signed yesterday and blew him up on that and he's like yeah i did and my mom's like i don't remember that knows like yeah. We were in school. We're having a conversation here. Mom mom make it. Did he make mother's day about him. Somehow oh yeah oh. Yeah but. I can't walk me food way understand. It's fun Got another one hundred similar to travis. Mcmichael one of the guys who killed ahmad arbery. We actually did that question last week when you were upstairs in the bathroom. So it's it's strange because new to you but we. I don't remember it was fun. They were you were away. Draining the main vein. I was at the dmv briefly. Okay so i guess we're good on that now. He has missed connections to read. Doesn't get the we can go upstairs and talk to crack more. I love that that post podcast wind down. You know what. I mean on them saying smooth and swift because we got the gift on duty now featured on our tiktok. We're we're we're sure we question for. Dia should we really want to tip top you run. Most people i know aren't super funny and to cram that crowbar that into thirty seconds with lots of complicated media and samples isn't it's It's like i'm remember what was it. Vine fine was good. If i was advising in spite of itself that was like the joy of mind it felt clunky taking idiotic man. i like that. There's a there's a whole line of tiktok jokes that revolve around the nfl draft. There's been a trade sound. Ding ding ding. Did it in dane. Which i found very very clever. I have to say i don't really talk at all and it turns my stomach however thank you to producer hannah. Not only for drafting Yes think have producer hannah. Pride of detroit. Pride actually lives right. Outside of she lived right outside of detroit And i wonder how she feels about dan campbell. The new coach of a detroit lions. Who said the words shit and the press conference. Which i love. I'm with dan with the life now. I'm totally down with. There's gonna trade producer. Hannaford dan campbell being traded from the giants to the lions as a fan. Dan campbell just going to send us all of his business connections. I wanna fuck guy. I don't know how to do it. But i'm sick of this shit. Wanna fuck i wanna fuck barry sanders strong legs. All of us have strong legs but meyer the strongest. Let's test it out. Try different positions go to home depot. Anyways this one's go grandma fun andrew. Grandma's wanna have some fun fit mail in my thirties. The bigger the woman the better and the older woman. The better hit me up nathan jays searching for small petite black woman who gave me my first and only lap dance twice. Wasn't your fucking all right. My first and only lap dance twice. That's wow. I felt a connection with. You never got to talk to you. Had to leave. And take a buddy home. You worked at nathan and jay's between the five and the six this is insane. I like i it only lasts twice not a thing not a thing i felt connection with you but didn't talk to you which is in thing. Yeah and then nitpicky but nothing comes between five and six right. Well you can feel. I mean you're not feeling a connection you're attracted to your connection. Is your horny nece right. You've got to blow your left with blue balls and got. And then she piece because probably gave her fifteen dollar. Bills gross vu. I the video booth theatre opened up the deja-vu good question wife and i are curious. Last time we were there. They weren't got chased out chased out. 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Audio recording? Focusrite's Clarett USB range produces pro sounding results

Techstination

00:00 sec | 2 years ago

Audio recording? Focusrite's Clarett USB range produces pro sounding results

"Welcome to text avation. Joining us is down hugely the US marketing manager for focus. Right. Thank you for joining us. Dan. Thank you for having me. Give us an overview to begin with, Dan, a little background about focus. Right. You're well known in a lot of circles, but not all. Sure. Well, focus right has been around since nineteen eighty four. We started out with Rupert Nieve and George Martin. We're the ones that started out company. George Martin wanted to a mixing council for his studio in the Caribbean. And he tapped Rupert need for that. And we started from there, and we started we built a few of those councils, and then moved into recording outward gear so mic pres compressors accused and things like that. And then we started moving into the digital age of audio interfaces just creating affordable audio interfaces to get your microphones or instruments into your computer. You've done a great job with with a lot of different kinds of Queant in that realm and the newest I suppose or one of the newest is the claret re USB line, give us the overview of what this does sure declared USB range is a group of three interfaces, depending on how many inputs or Mike breeze that you need, and this range has is a step up from our our very popular scarlet range, so the differences are fairly minor between the two, but you will see a bit of an increase in the quality of the audio that you get and that goes to some some the performance there can be attributed to different components that were used in the mic pres and also in the converters which separates it from the these scarlet range one of the. Cool things is they are USB interfaces. So they work with all new Macs. And most PC's also have the USB see connects connections. But then you we also include a standard USCC USB cable in the box. So, you know, even if you do have an older computer most computers have USB inputs. So you know, we you can use it right out of the box. You don't have to buy another cable one of the cool things that I like about the range is the smallest unit the two pre USB it has the ability to be bus powered. So you don't need to carry an external power supply. If you're using a USB connection. Very cool. Give us some of the scenarios where you've heard people are are making use of it can be a lot of musicians. Podcasters spend every everybody who works with sound. Yeah. Just about everybody that works for sound. You're absolutely right. I've sold I've not had not sold units. But I've worked with people who have units that they're using even for sound creation for film. But then, you know, everything that you mentioned from podcasts to your standard recording even conference rooms for you can hook up like a conference, Mike and hook up some speakers and have phone calls. You know, Skype interviews and things like that. And I'm just through the interface. So you're able to transmit and receive high quality audio over IP just by plugging it into your phone line. Very interesting now. The line stretches from you said the two two inputs up to eight who foreign yes, sir. That's that's absolutely correct. Yeah. So it depends on what your needs are. And I always recommend, you know, think about the future not what you have today. So, you know, if you if you're if you need to preach today, but down the road, you might need four or eight, you know, think about the future. So you don't have to then upgrade later, you can you can just get what you need and they're all expandable as well. They all have an eight at input. So you can connect something like one of our octa pres just the eight at and that adds eight more inputs. So you know, you can go from two to ten or four to twelve or eight to sixteen depending on your needs, very cool. Tell us what you you mentioned something already. I know some of the things that you feel are you have as an advantage over the competition. There's a tremendous sound quality in in these interfaces. There's another distinguishing feature called called air mode, and this is a symbol mode. That is controlled via the the focus right control software, which comes with the unit. And what it does. When it switched on. It highlights. Some of the higher frequencies, and what it does is it models the input in pita of our classic ISA mic pres, and it kind of just opens up the high end of the the frequency range. Just the Admiral or Admiral presence to to that that range giving you're giving users a lot of flexibility with it. Sure, you know, I I was trying to myself this week. And actually, I was testing the the clear at eight pre USB in my home studio. And I believe that's the unit you tried out as well. And I was playing playing around with that air feature. And you know, it offers a different sound, and it's in something flexible, and you can control this while you're recording. So, you know, just just choose what's best for you. Just like you're choosing the right microphone choosing the right speakers. Make sure you choose if it's supposed to be air motor or not tell us about pricing and availability where shirt so the claret to pre USB starts at about four thirty nine ninety nine. The four per USB is six fifty nine ninety nine and eight pre USB is eight sixty nine ninety nine all three units are available in the US pretty much anywhere. You by audio supplies either online or in in physical stores and for more info, where do we go? You can go to focus right dot com. And you can go through all of our different products that we have there from the Scarlets that I mentioned a little bit to the Clarence. And then some of our aid expansions that I mentioned like the debris. Sounds great, Dan Hughley. Thanks for taking the time. Thank you. 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Under The Volcano Q&A - Cody Greenwood - Gracie Otto

The Q&A with Jeff Goldsmith

1:17:56 hr | 2 months ago

Under The Volcano Q&A - Cody Greenwood - Gracie Otto

"In today's episode we go behind the scenes to discover the creative process behind some of the most iconic albums of the one thousand nine hundred eighties. Howdy i'm jeff goldsmith and this is the qna. My agenda is simple each week. I plan to bring you in depth insights into the creative process of storytelling folks without a doubt. This episode was an absolute blast. And i was pleased to have our guest today. Co writer and producer cody greenwood and co writer director gracie otto and look. I hope you spread the word about this film under the volcano because it just was released today so anybody that has access to the internet can now see the film and I think it's a special film. So i i hope it really does make the rounds because It absolutely deserves to be seen. You know cody and gracie were very forthcoming with their time and really got into the nitty gritty of all the behind the scenes stuff that they covered but adding a little more depth to it and then getting into some of the stories. That didn't make it into the film. And i really loved this film. It's it's fascinating and you'll hear me say when the police broke up. It was just devastating to me and seeing the breakup unfold in the recording sessions kind of an alien nation that the members were getting with each other is definitely a highlight of this film. And i just. I love it so much So look cody and gracie were very generous with their time and had a lot of things to input about their own creative process. So i know you'll dig this episode and speaking of things to dig. I hope you also check out backstory magazine over at backstory dot net. You read this on a desktop or laptop or via our ipad app backstory and folks. You know we just recently published are black widow issue our summer issue and you know we've continued adding stuff to it even though we're already published so there is a lot to explore it. I hope you check out the table of contents over at backstory dot net and also You know if you've never read this before. I hope you check out the free issue which you could also read it. Backstory dot net or the are ipad app. And you know if you like what you see and you want to support independent film journalism. You could become a subscriber and if you do. I hope you use code. Save five and that will save you five dollars off a one year subscription of backstory magazine us that at our website but you're logging credentials will still work on an ipad. So it's a way to subscribe to us without paying an extra thirty percent to apple which we really love and appreciate when you ever you do. But there's a lot to explore it backstory and it would really mean a lot to me to have my podcast listeners in i tunes and spotify and of course my youtube watchers at the backstory magazine youtube page these zoom caskey be able to support my passion project so thanks for considering and of course if you want to attend one of these virtual screening you could always sign up over at our website. Backstory dot net slash events. And that will put you on her email list and then you'll get notifications when we're doing virtual screenings and hopefully getting back to in bursa screenings. You'll get an email from time to time about the magazine and podcast are up to as well and it's totally free. So just backstory dot net slash events. But now without any further ado let's jump right into our interview with co writer and producer cody greenwood and co writer director gracie otto about their latest film under the volcano gracie cody. It's good to see you. Thanks for coming on to the to the podcast today. Yeah thanks for having us halfway around the world. What respective cities are y'all in on sydney. So it's saturday morning. Cutting in perth western australia. I had to go through four states to back. It's like playing boorda tetris in australia at the moment to try to move around right because some lockdowns are starting right. Cody's well. I'm going to an outdoor dinner tonight. I'm fully vaccinated and i'm gonna be on a patio somewhere and i know i'm not going to be able to that for much longer if people don't come down. But hey this is all about a virtual screening. That people are watching from the convenience of their own home. So let's get into it. So i always love to give our podcast listeners. Just a a sense of who you are and where you come from gracie your father is a is a legendary actor in australia so you kind of have an entertainment background. But that doesn't mean that all children of entertainers go into the entertainment industry. What do you think. Lead you on your path to getting behind the camera. Differing from your father rather than being front. I was always interested. I mean i played. I played soccer australia. When i was in school of very my mom's side of the family very sporty. What other go. I grew up in the theater. My mom had a theater company. Belva straight she worked at. Dad was doing lot applies. My oldest miranda was acting. I would make little short films that at high school on Scholefield code kill blogs. My of year school thing decided to go to film school. Like i've always enjoyed telling me what to do is opposed to them telling me what to do by did dabble in acting. I was that good. But i don't mind it. Where where did you go to film. School went to sydney film school. We'd like to. When i was seventeen to two four zero or something you know. It's it's an interesting thing to bring up for a second and we'll get to you in a second but like some people have different versions of what they do or don't like from film school. Was it a positive experience for you. Did you find it collaborative or did you. What was what was your highlight of your film school experience. I loved it because i didn't go to university. 'cause he couldn't go in exchange for like three years to film school and this was a year and a half course where basically you got to Pitch as a director on the eating going for directing editing. You kinda went for everything so you would do like full films in the first half of the year but one of them had a major role the director at a production designer. And then you have a minor role editor assistant or something like that so that was really good. Because you've got to learn about all the different departments. I obviously went pretty hot on a peach on the first one to get direct. Up is also competed right and then we didn't know document and we would contain ford. I think i was an editorial on documentary about italian. Best coming to australia But never really the documentary teachers. A great they did a lot of kind of social dot. Snap wasn't really style of documentary. I was interested in. And then i was in canfield testable reynolds twenty one and gone michael. Why and i think. I just thought i'd be at a get. A fate. trumpeted takes like ten years whereas a documentary always sidelight documentaries like jumping out of the plane. You've got access. You got a camera you could get going. Then you figure out how to funded whereas a feature film kind of spend ten years in development trying to get it up so every team you know. He was like going to yoga. I not going to be also. These people had the access to do that. Spent three years going around the world doing that. I just loved the price of it leading to university in those kind of like studying to british theatre and cultural season seventies. And that's how. I kind of really your documentary and that led to your first documentary film. The last impressario yet. Yeah and that was amazing. It was just a mid seventy credit. Incredible paypal's remarkable. But he's last style in the white Kind of doors open for me pasta after the film but it was incredible like personal kind of film to make on someone who's a suspended yes such quality time at the end of his life. And yeah and i guess 'cause he'd started theater and my mom had in my dad. I was fascinated with that era. That's awesome and then we're going. Get to cody one more second. But you guys got. We also transitioned into television. Which is a totally different type of directing you did pipo and then you did the other guy what were what. Were your kind of lessons trial by fire of your tv experience coming from short films and documentary past on love because it so fast and said you know you get a chance to take on a show that you know you don't have to spend body bodies of your life on i love to straight. We should like eight ten pages a day. So such a Editing like four days again kind of a rough cut of the episode. so it's a it's a male cutting out very similar in that. We like spayed bossed unsleeping tei super fun so i like to be nominee police on my first feature film at the moment in that said completely different process as well. Is it some kind of the script to begin with whereas daca i think we're in the editor like twenty. Wait till something. It was a really long edit process and yet so i just like doing it all. I think it has straightened get easily. Pigeonholed into just one category to still this try reading. That's that's a smart tactic to move around you. Leave your options open. Yeah that definitely makes sense. Cody tell tell us about your path like what what made you choose entertainment. I know you also started with some short films. I mean in in a similar way to gracie. I grew up with parents in the entire industry. My mom's studied documentary making at ucla So i studied media older high school. I was completely obsessed and then i went straight into media added university so i did that chila here in western australia. And then i had the same idea as gracie. I wanted to go on an exchange program. And i ended up going to oxford. Brookes in oxygen uk. And doing the film over there. And then i came back from Von before you move on site interrupt. What was just same question that i that i asked a second ago. What was what was the highlight of your film school. Experience did it did it. Click something for you or could you have gotten away without going to film school. I think i think that that part of film school. I could have got away without going to but the i went from oxford brookes over. Ucla and i did It was just started with a significant independent producing. And i loved it and i think that may was really when it clicked my love and producing because i'd been floating around in different roles. The film wasn't sure exactly what aspect it was and then when i went to ucla all like oh yeah this is. This is what i meant to be doing. So i probably could've skipped everything prior to that. I just going. Ucla done this tickets. But anyway you live in your land there you go and then you're kind of first. Big official feature documentary was angela's rules which also is in the music realm of documentaries. So what was your biggest lesson of of doing that even though you had done shorts before that and you had produced before that yeah. I had a really incredible introduction into the film industry. Because the first documentaries that i've ever worked on were four on national indigenous broad kosta here in australia and i say and there were. There was a set of fifteen documentaries. One being angela's rules that was directed by emerging indigenous for mike is about everyday indigenous australians in the face of adversity so that were the most incredible stories Angela's rules is amazing story. There was a spinoff quote. Family rose here in australia But is essentially about a family of nine indigenous women who raised by a single mom. And they're locked the kardashians. They're the most hilarious family and they really wonderful. Intelligent women But angela the oldest Is a singer and so it was sort of about her journey being a singer and also what the family has sort of gone through. But yeah it was. You know that to be my introduction into the film world. It's still want the biggest highlights of my career and sort of where i started so i feel really fortunate. That's cool and it prepares you for today's film which we're going to get into right now. Tell us how the two of you kind of coalesced and what your initial idea was when you realize that. There was a documentary. Potential for under the volcano. Not not to be confused. With the john. Huston film of the seventies by the way i kind of love as a as a as a very depressing movie. Yours yours is. Yours is completely different very different. Yeah it has it. Has a personal origins is story to me. My mom was a audits and she was living in months. Rat in the seventy s. She'd heard about this island in the caribbean where the haba was always going to be too shallow for cruise ships and planes could land lose three mountainous volcanic and She decided to go down there in the seventies and start a career as an artist Pro after being a documentary film mica and she was down there in the late seventies and a guy called george martin who happened to produce the bagels was also down there at the same time and they met and he said oh you know. I'm building a recording studio here. And so she was the during the first few years of the studio Became really good friends with all of the musicians and then would sell her artwork to them to make living so we would gracie night when we were interviewing people at work was all throughout the house. Which was really cool. That's what i would always go down monster as a kid. My mom would hold on exhibitions in antarctica. Which is the neighboring altamont threat And i was kinda impulse postponed and searching through old the relics with my dad under the volcano to find you know all sorts of coast off. So may i'd always known about in the studio. I'd never been there as a kid. But i would. I knew it was. And i knew the stories and One day there was a guy in huck australia where i was living at the time who was just talking about the studio. He was one of the managing directors. And i said anybody ever made a film about this And he was that what was being teams. That have tried. But you know if you wanna give it a go. Then they my guest in that kind of started. The whole process was about a two year research period before i bought gracie on board really two years to tell us about that research period. And how you started forming. You know an idea of what the structure could because obviously you're the producer but you're also the co writer and gracie's also the co writer and the director. So you know people forget documentaries are written and you do need to have a structure and i really liked the structure that you found so tell us about your research period. Yeah it was only ten years egmont. Threat was around from seventy nine to eighty nine. But there's a lot of music that down. That studio had so many different honest every year so the first the first part of the research period was really about what was the music was recorded that but i i knew straight off the bat that we didn't want this to be a recording studio talking into why of muscle shoals sound city which i think a great documentaries but i was really wary of presenting Album off the album to album. And i actually thought that the stories of what the bands and being down the you know the bands that are being down there their personal stories where what was really interesting the relationships in the band so the research was very much focused on. We'll hurrah chaos and which was the starnes dot strikes. Paul mccartney elton john The police and what happened to them down there what happened to their relationships and said that was really what i was focusing on from race. Such point of view And i didn't have a director attached. I reached out to staining and said you know. I really love to do an interview. And bless him he said of you know. Of course problem come to new york and in terms of time And crystal moselle who directed the wolfpack and get kitchen. Who's incredible. I got in touch with her. And i said i don't have a director attach. It's going to be an australian film. But would you segment directs stint of you and she was like of course like no problem so hey came on board and then once once sting was there. Hey really shaped the narrative of the film as well because i realized that the volcano had a real presents for him and that this place was somewhere that really affected him personally so i wanna had he's interviewing the can the research really developed from that. That's amazing. I mean we're going to definitely get into what they discussed in in the interviews a bit later. We'll so then. Tell me how greasy came on. So i knew i needed and directed. The film was financed out of australia. And this certain targets that we have to hit them when we're doing that kind of financing And i had been. I really admired gracie's work. I'd say what she donald the last presario. I knew that she was somebody who could work with celebrity. Because some of these guys are getting a little bit grumpy in that time and so and then the other thing was. I knew that this was going to be maui dominated story there. There wasn't hardly any women who recorded the studio so i wanted to fame director. I wanted somebody who could bring a female lend to this story and gracie was my first choice. And i just got so lucky that she turned around and said yes actually greasy. Before you before you say that you know one of the one of the artists that i know was on the list that i think recorded there was diana ross. Was there ever a way that you were considering including more of her in the documentary. 'cause she's just kind of mentioned in passing. I don't think that there's so many audits with the studio's history that They say in research recorded there but they didn't one being michael jackson. Diana ross gets mentioned but she she didn't either. I think i with studios. I sometimes cross them. There was any lennox was down. That would have been amazing. She's in the film and footage and she in eastern. But we couldn't get. We couldn't get either of them so in there as well in footage. Yes no london. Yeah air london got it. That's that's i think the crossover will so gracie when you heard about this and you're coming on for documentary what was some of your initial takes on it and how to get through it. Well i i. It was pretty overwhelming. Like cody's research document was seventy page kind of bible that had band bannon abatement every story so that was. It was hot at first. Because i try to find something to kind of go off. I found the be like. Yeah yeah that was enough to be ninety. Four and i think when we came together to work on it was like i always like to tackle things like kind of doing a treatment that we had one of the ten major storylines that we think happened this time and then starting to you know just break it down and say all right so we've got days five ends we think we'll how do we tell the age into the days paypal be try and from this area. This would be the kind of songs at that time that they might talk about to license. So it's a lot of kind of like funneling down to stop someway a name. I guess them restarted. Some some into these gerry. Beckley on jura. we're credible. Because they really had a good landscape of like eight of the place will like george mono can tell right was another voice in the film that was able to kind of tell a lot about something that isn't just about the bands like an overall paychecks. They kind of helped you know shape that kind of narrative and then it was like working out you know. We had the bands that we wanted an economy by a salute Chronologically into that decade. Which is really lucky. We didn't really have to play around with too much jumping between times. And then yeah it was really i. Guess some of the difficulties in the edit. How do we. How do we get editing. We'll get to the a little later. Skipped far ahead. But but i guess the question would be one of the things that the documentary captured really. Well as as you said it's not just like a track listing of who came through there. And what they recorded you you covered the creation of music kind of like live and unfolding before you in a studio which was a very expensive process back then because studios were so expensive so when the pressure was immense when you went into a studio to catch that lightning in a bottle and you did a great job of covering the creative process. I'm curious where some of the music documentaries that influenced you both the kind of gave you that towards it as you approach your own documentary. I mean i feel like we've lost a lot of documentaries from one about in the canyons. Mussel shells sound city. Yeah we had obvious things that we console. We wanted to do differently than was one into iteration was like what are we going to tell the story two guys that built the studio that kinda laid into latin muscle shoals territory. But yeah i guess it was like trying so many parts of the fail obviously had so george maden. We had the islands itself in the people that lived on the island. We had the studio. We had all the big bands. We had the hurricane at the volcano. So it was kind of like how to squeeze into an hour. And a half. You did a great job. Cody was ernie documentaries. That you were favored of kind of influenced you well. I really love document. The some music dockyards at a different from under the volcano. But i really loved Exile on main street. I think that was called. The starting on the south of france was that one because of i just love the music dachshund. Don't look back from dealing where you're kind of immersed into the world more observational capacity. You very different from under the volcano. But i think what i loved about. Those was the intimacy of those music documentaries and feeling like you really got a chance to know the office. And i think that's probably why when we were making under the volcano. We really lent on the personal story aspects of these musicians. Because i just yeah. I struggled with a music documentaries. When i don't get a chance to connect to the people at the music's great but i want to know about the people and i to understand that story. So those were references to me that that makes sense You know obviously the filton. The fury is one of my one of my favorite music talks about the sex pistols. And what's interesting. There is the usage of yes modern interviews but also archival footage going back and forth with them telling us what they were thinking and then seeing them back in the day. And i thought that you had transitions like that. All over the place in under the volcano that really told the story behind some of these really iconic songs coming at it from a different angle in places in which sometimes you were only using archival footage but then you were using modern footage of the technicians in the studio telling the stories that some of the artists might never have told themselves which which i thought was really cool but for the start of this. You can't get away with anything without having the cooperation of the martin estate. So what was it like to kind of get in their pitched us to them and work with them and to start going through their archives to see what you could springboard off of for the documentary. Yeah when when. I initially spoke to the guy and i said to him. You know the managing director of kudu this documentary and he said goi free good luck. He's advised to me was write a letter to judy. Martin said george martin and pasta at that time and she loves. Judy loves receiving lettuce. So i wrote her from australia. Handwritten note saying this isn't you would've met my mom back in the diet and my mom and that time used to understood dot receives christmas cards from judy so was still in touch and She said yeah. you know. we're open to this spot. We'd love to sit down. And so what i did was on a whim. I took a lot over to the uk. And i sat down with the manager of mon state and and sort of just how to heart to heart with him. And i was so nervous. I was sweating my largest come from australia. All the way to make mme and We think that what you're doing is is really great. I do think there was initially hesitation because there was a lot of stuff that happened at once that is not covered in the film that is quite like salacious and tabloid the and you know it was never our intention to go. That wasn't a film trying to make. But i can imagine that if somebody came to the montana state and said we wanna do about one. That would have been like a bit of going to you. Know some of the stuff that went on down there so That was the initial meeting and then it was just a long process of building trust and kp in communication with them. And then when we do the interviews with jaws. Martin who sa- georgia's son and judy the house in the uk. I think that was room without like okay. We've met gracie now to really trust this tame but Yeah it's it's a long trust building process. And i think somebody as prolific as george martin The those relationships just so important to apologize so was there a period where you've got to go into their archive because a lot of footage looks like it was filmed in their studio and clearly would be a part of their archives. You had to discover it at some point. Yeah well. I actually from the initial as soon as judy. Martin said yes to doing the documentary. The guys who ran estudios kind of like gave me a suitcase for five. And we'll like take this back to a stroller. And i had it in stride actually boarded over to sydney in a suitcase. Crashy at once. I felt like i've got all this stuff And then judy. Martin bless her when we were interviewing her. She was giving her her arm photo albums offer shelf. She was like type. The and take this and i was always scared that on i was gonna lose precious photographs and the incredible and really intimate so we very lucky that it was a combination of estudios and georgia's family who just gave us you know it was a gold mine just just for like a last question before kind of couple questions before we get into the deeper part of the spoiler section. You know when you putting together a documentary as you both said you're right. There's a part of it unlike feature film. We just grab whatever camry of access to you. Start shooting you start seeing anything you have. You could start laying out a template and going from there. How did you budget it early on. Or was it just self funded. The entire time and that was the intent is a lot of documentaries are not. This is my best feature documentary. And i remember pitching a at a conference in astrology international documentary conference and i got up on a stage because i was trying to get people to come aboard and i said this film is going to cost x. And i had people pulling the assad and saying you're never gonna get that much money for this film. And i was like but i. I have to because of the music. I don't think you're onto stout. I'm dealing with and then It was really. I knew what a documentary cost. I did not know what some of the biggest tracks of the nineteen eighty s. We're gonna cost all how much paul mccartney was gonna charge time video footage. And he was angel in that regard but Gotta music supervisor to help me with ours. Costings and the way. I did it at that point. I just said you know what would it be trucks. That came out of montserrat. Let's pick thirty of them. And i'll cost it out that way and you know the big ones like every breath you take x. Long i just did this. We'd estimate which ended up actually working but when gracie came on board. We started making the film. There was a decision in the edit process of every time. There's a big band. Let's have a hit song. Let's have you know your somewhere. Out in john roxanne by the police and that stuff wasn't budgeted for so that's a really fun as a produce. Try and figure out how you pay full expensive music. That's not even recorded at months. Wrap we'll visit to that effect like. Are you able to say what the budget was of the documentary all said and done. I don't know no. It's no yeah it. It's expensive enough to be like you know cutting always joke saying why don't we just make a documentary on the police. We had older home. Video has been all the band members. Ryan recorded two albums down. there would have so much easier. the documentary will ever bay is hard because when you're trying to go to the rolling stones site on public cotton. Everybody it's like it's overwhelming The amount of big big names in the film in that regard music. I i mean just just the music the needle drops you have from all these huge bands in the eighties. I i can't imagine what your budget was. Because i know filmmakers the come in the podcast to talk about trying to get these drops in a feature. It's like possible time you know. Some of the expensive stuff was really the travel like cutting In australia and we did everything compared to my loss. Documentary shot into be myself. Did all the sound is fun. Was like a two campus set up so it was like a big. It was a big deal in that way but it was still very small team. That made the film in the end. What what did you shoot on. What cameras we shut on the alexa to alexis. We had yeah okay and that would be my other question. How long was production per se because a lot of people don't realize in documentaries. There's a largest starting stop in which you'll do around of interviews it'll lead you to different places you'll want to do a new round of interviews loving quarters of the film. In the first ten weeks. We went pretty hard. We went straight to london. Shot to three interviews a day and then we went down two months iraq for about nine days shut down. There came back to kahn. Maybe like a ten week etta and then started to go communicate. Nick rhodes bought off lov as a few people that we shed jobs in every every band onto at that time. Go to not so nineteen. It was yeltsin's ban with year in the january. Twenty twenty just before Gerry beckley didn't happen to live in sydney as well and we felt like we needed mole history in the film about george modern and an explanation of that he was quite targeted to those kinda questions yet. But i guess we started filming in july two thousand and nineteen and patiala by april twenty. Twenty pretty speedy. Okay that's great well. So last non spoiler question. How much footage were you dealing with in the archival side versus how much footage revealing with on the the interviews. The shots and the nature footage from the island as well. You was like. I like to think of gooding to about forty five minutes to an hour. Is the people who you know. Most of the interviews obey around that stage some of them from divide twenty minutes but he just gave us some goal. Bits there are some kind of sometimes embellished and go to alison you go. you know. it's not gonna make it but a lot of interviews. Yeah so i guess. Seattle a by seventy five forty interviews and stuff that was shot down on the island. I'm being out editor. Carrie johnson but we know better answer to that but yet and then it's also the cop of going through you know. We went with latest savage producer. Cardi had so much acog already mom and there was stuff we found on the internet or cable. A lot like we had crazy spreadsheets of you. Know like you need sit and just watch light thirty one out interviews from mtv. When light roger came on just to save by talked about months rats lou raid click when it was like what he's done a munster Trying to find little things like that because it wasn't yes something that people always talked about it each of you so you kind of your Snowball down into a date dive on something and get hundreds of hours. Least hundreds yeah. That's that's wild. We'll say okay. We're getting into the spoilers section now so you know for for anyone. This was a virtual screening. Obviously in you all just saw the movie but for anyone listening to the podcast a few days later. If you have not yet seen the movie this would be the time to press buys. Go watch under the volcano. Come back because we're gonna into all the different details of the movie and of course tell ya friends to watch it as well but so here we go. We're in the spoilers. One of the things that you did is. I was alluding to before there was so impressive. Was sometimes artists. Don't have the self awareness and the distance from themselves to talk about just some of the things that happened behind the scenes because they honestly forget about it too and you had the the you know upstairs downstairs version of air studios in which you interviewed the original staff. The cooks the drivers the people that work there on the soundboards as well. An early on you know you when you're doing the earth wind and fire talk. We learned that the song let me talk was really inspired by just one of the drivers who would get frustrated when everyone was talking and he had these of dialogue. You would just say. Let me talk and like that inspired. Which really shows how the staff and the whole atmosphere of air was influencing the music there so tell us about interviewing the people on the island work there in around there because it could have actually not born as much fruit as it did for the movie but you got really lucky because they had great memories and they had very specific stories to share. Yeah early on. I said to grace gracie camera board we. We've got an interview. The paper mantra. I think with the people with monster at the most mazing people in the whole world. And i knew that they were going to be the hottest film and the first day we did the first interview. With desmond the bartender and ex and gracie met them up and then she was off. I get this now. I understand why they're so important to the film. You know i'd grown up. With danny the windsurfer. Who taught sting how to windsurf. And i knew most of those people rose the radio host But they really did have an impact on on the oddest. Every time we would interview somebody that i would say. How's george the chef. Like jimmy buffett me the other day and he said can you pass me on georgia's data house so i can go same in boston. Did his great story. That didn't make me into the film but Keith richards was in new york city. Any bumped into desmond. The bartender who was on holiday and george the chef in the straight and said what are you guys doing and and like i would just having a holiday. Music will come out to connecticut and hang out and so they're all everybody was so close to the staff. And if you look at some of the album's brothers-in-arms album they credited on them I think most of the album's down that got something on the back about the staff. They would do backing vocals in the police. Any elton john's albums Sorry that were really strong relationships that were formed and that was really evident. I mean the first question. I have a austin in the interview. Hey spike for about thirty minutes about denny teaching him how to win stuff some of the stuff that had happened down that But yeah. I think that they are like i said the hot hotta the film. I think we're so fortunate that we would access them with the chef. Greisinger trying to get him full mumps. We found that someone gave us a phone number of where he lived. And we cool every couple of days and then one day we just got lucky picked up and so we flew out to la and he spent four days with us and he was really he was so humble and kind gentle and soft and because we just had everyone was like will whereas the chef like everyone is like we let all the way into nate. This guy is going to be life. Long luckily we were like this. This this is joel. Drives like changed or is different. It was a kind and it was nice to yeah so exciting. It was almost like the mainland made the celebrity hood son much about him And we have to spend four days of human. la just know gracie also did a great job of capturing the nature of the island big drone shots flying over showing the volcano but the island itself which plays really a big part of the you know the natural devastation. That happened with hurricane. Hugo in the volcano. Erupting we're what some of your goals for for how you were going to capture that because you you did it wonderfully well. There was a guy down there who has like a little museum. That cardi went to that. He actually had all that footage when the kind of is erupting the shooting down there at the time. I mean when i when we went down the Head 'cause when i guess Mom came down with us on electric monster and when you first arrived at not which vary kazaam tiny told us this crisis story about the one of the plane trips and i was like we got so much equipment. Like we're gonna take the ferry but as a scary three al at night and we got there and he sold the clinton white waking up in the morning hearing the sounds of the island that i never had before was amazing and then going on sale. The harms and it was signed losch and then we went to albums. He went volcano and it was just devastating and it was kind of black yet. It's kind of side of the island and world. I was talking to cutting would say all look. It's too dangerous because the police elect the Face it that way. Encased volcano robson. You'll be out to drive out and you can hear it. You know that moment when you like me. This is kind of dangerous. You could still hear it. That's that's totally wild. Yes definitely like the presence of it is. it's definitely bad Another thing you know we yeah. We had Yet we did drawing shots because we can only walk in so i thought becomes an incredible Places that had kind of been left on top since it happened But definitely was quite an eerie feeling. It was interesting. Drive in edited was all lush and grain. And then it's just. The next house has just gone and save such a small island. What mother nature can do. I mean the archival footage was great but the new nature stuff that you guys shot was awesome as well. you know when you were getting into the interviews. I was surprised there are actually wasn't a little more with paul mccartney given the connection to martin was there. Were there ever plans. Like i think he was on tour at the time. He was the first person we went to after. Sting 'cause i Playing decca qods. Let's go to the isis. Because we get the icicle qods but he watched the family really loved it and he was super kind about giving us his home video footage and if thing but Yeah it was like. I think many stories we had to go into the filament. That section because i mean cutting can speak more about that stadi- wander recording but that was such a massive of wanting to be that night when they were recording when they were there together and the they did ebony and ivory but you also have this story about stevie wonder playing a bar till four in the morning and then in the archive. You guys have a recording of him at this bar. Four in the morning which. I was really impressed. You're able to find in that archive. Tell tell us about that story. Yeah i was The early days of researching under the volcano was sitting around having a couple of weeks. He's my dad one nine and at his house and he was like i've got a recording in the wake of stevie wonder for months ron. I'm pretty sure on on a cassette tape. What and he went into his attic and he pulled out cassette tape and we didn't have a cassette player to play off in the house and he will but winning. The tight digitized and sure enough. It's an hour long recording of stay wanda at these tiny bar. Montserrat called the guti is a photo of him in the film on. You've actually see guy holding a recorder up to the stage three miles so we got this incredible digitize recording. And it's you know he's singing. Hit songs like superstition. And then he goes off and rips and he's riffing about The people schutte are paul. Mccartney all this stuff is incredible. But when it's it's never that simple with music licensing. It's never a case of you. Know we're just stays on the film We had to get your stay wanders commission to have that recording and apparently this is something that stevie dodds the law he just goes off and riffs and so his team will like. Yeah yeah that's fine. We'll give you permission to use this and then my music supervisor hang on a minute. I think he's starting on another song. Song called stormy monday and then he's moving into his riff about once rats. We always had two losses that song. So he's He's a musical genius. But i think that those riffs must be. I'm sure they've been a headache for many other produces before. But it's such a pace of gold. And i just can't believe that my dad how to music that's crazy that came from your dad's attic see. I thought you were going to tell me. Talked about how it came from the air archives. That's totally wild again. Going back to the upstairs downstairs technicians that they provided such great insight. My favorite story really for that was the junior talked about the day. When elton john was was a little angry and decided the album wasn't going right and he wanted to throw all the tapes in the pool and the technician had the wherewithal to give him a stack of blank tapes which he then took outside and angrily through in the pool and if he wasn't on point like that they could have lost days of recording. Some songs might have been lost forever. Maybe an. I thought that was fascinating. What were some other stories like that. That maybe didn't make it into the movie that came from the wild things that the technicians win through in dealing with these very powerful egos and personalities others was one that malcolm told us gracie i'm just trying to but it was because there was a lot of guidelines where we we. Yeah yeah those. Those john lennon story twelve. Yeah well why. Don't we do it quite true. Because that's the thing is is everybody's got their memories of that time. It's really odd with Film sometimes to noise especially films. This was my wants. Threat was in the eighties. What was troy about there was there was a conversation that john lennon was actually meant to come down to ten months rap record. I'm so resistant to saying that. Because i feel like beta was going to be like paulo but but the confrontation about that. That was a few people that set yet. It's always hot when it's like you know especially going when you hear stories like danny sign walk of life that was written about me and then one about las visas not flawed. It's like had a. We often these question because what if he says. That's not fucking show at all and then we've got that in the film and that's you know. And then he acknowledges that that is true Thank god can give you a elton's obviously saved the film The story about the guy standing outside. I'm still standing. Wanted you get the ticket of approval from the people. Awesome self with that. It's yeah it's great because he kind of one of those stories up like with anything race a chain so in the movie. Obviously you have this great way of documenting the creative process but of course you also show the dark side as well and i love in the movie where you show duran duran coming down and being too young for the experience and kind of a little outside of their zone and leaving and reed in an archival interviews saying that. He prefers the noise of the city which actually makes sense for his music. So tell us about that section. Because i thought it was really important to show that air studios wasn't forever. I was interesting because we always wanted to get quite three sixty of the place and also not just yet. Not be puff pace slop story to the place but also i think what's great about Roy's interview is that when we approached him about doing adva he was quite happy to talk. About how just wasn't became. And i'm sitting into his slim skin. That beautiful skin in this guy will I don't think outposts supervise When you talk to him ask him about if he thinks creativity is. Is my friends like someone who likes to be in the dock and work not question actually ended up nailing the whole experience for them on it. Yeah i will really young when we saw we had these. Gripe fundus mega tom. Shannon that alcock produce found that and to me as an incredible identity saying before. But i also were wife from the Hair make in the optics and all of that and saying drain on the island like that was really cool to add to that as well. This was a film that we edited drain corvette and what we were. Finding the edit process is way would be gracie. And i work. You know the same. We're like crazy people on spayed and No actually on spayed but in terms of how fox. Because i worked edita but we would talk. Paiva-weed how you going creating in relation. And i'd be like i can't do anything it's you know. It's socks is working for me. And so what we realized is isolation isn't good for everybody it sometimes. It doesn't work for the credit process. And so i think because we were experiencing that during We were like well. We have to make sure we reflect that in the it as well sometimes being by yourself just doesn't what were there any other bands in that section that you had to cut out because it was getting too long that came to the island and it just was a fail we. Yeah we had. Roger glover tony me but it was kind of. Yeah at the time. They haven't come into the trying to get into the birth of the city and sought to wrap things up So they will have right to add some context around some of the band's k. but we didn't end up going fully into this stories me. I mean he didn't remember much. We had his book that we read in From his autobiography about his time down there. And he was the lovely and great. But at that point in the story kind of came to get into the stein's journal along and it was great to have the rolling stones section. And you had again perfect Archival footage and did that come from air the video in the studio or did that come from the stones dining because i mean it was just so perfect so i'm just curious. Winter can't a little rock. Lisa cochran produce found and homemade. Unfortunately i think it turns out that there's a whole lot of all the stuff that we don't have like nicotine volcano and same those either. A french documentary crew making potentially documentary. But i think now the stein's have found out about this footage. They have that they might release. Dvd themselves of that. Tom donahue not. That's great but but i mean it was them in the studios so yeah it worked worked perfectly who. Hey i'm jumping and really quick to remind you to check out backstory magazine over at backstory dot net. You could read us on a desktop or laptop or via our ipad app. Backstory in folks. 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And itunes a spotify and my youtube watchers on the backstory magazine. Youtube page watching all these zoom casts becomes subscribers from my passion project. So thanks for considering but now without any further ado. Let's jump right back into our conversation. With cody greenwood and gracie otto about their latest film under the volcano in that brings us to my favorite section of the film as a police fan dumb recording ghosts in the machine seeing the whole movies of kind of them out amongst the island people and appreciating that music and how that in turn influence them and drove them in. That direction was really fascinating. Talk about the ghost of the machine section. and how. You're starting to hear about the pressure that they're under and the band is getting edgy. with each other which. We're starting to see that culminates. Later i always find the police an interesting case study for a band because it kind of feels like they're a little bit stuck together you know and be summoned at one time. It was going to join the rolling stones and it was kind of like these three characters and three very strong personalities. I grew up with anti summa's mums very close friend of his and Then the sting and stewart copeland who was probably my favorite into that he did He was totally knots. But they're very strong personalities. And i think that was you know the fact that died losted until even goes. Shane visited synchronicity. It's kind of using for how much each of them wanted to. Really be front and center of that band But i. I feel like with gordon machine. It was one of those things where the cracks definitely starting to show but it was a really commercially successful albums so. I don't doubt that that will like let's try and get this short one more time because synchronicity but you know as grace he might wanna talk to. She calls them the school brats of the film because they had we had all the archive of the place. Andy summits and goalies amazing photography's requirements. I'm video footage. All three wanted to that will go interesting stories so it was quite hard to balance them out in the film because they're quite a force and it's why we had them to come in to us yet. Definitely i think. Yeah andy. Stewart some of the fiber interviews. 'cause has said that they were such strong personalities. And i wasn't. I wasn't like police family because they didn't know all history about the place going into the documentary. But i kind of i always found like some of the footage found from that documentary by gills. What's his angels holland to call on. Yes some of that stuff that it's in the film but it was interesting saying kinda staying playing going all i can do. I can do a drum machine thing. I can do this. An estimate was always like a bit of a catalyst of like when the music industry ended up. When you know now the digital space and everything with pro tools coming in office could go i can. I can do this. And i also do this in tweet. That in twenty thousand. I guess that's part of the musical jay's sting and going out on his own but yeah did they allow that all so interesting in so strong and you know in bed. Don't describe it was. It's a different turn for the documentary because you're intimately getting with these three iconic characters talking slowly about their break-up and how it associates to the island and that's not something that those folks do that that's what's interesting. I felt like i dunno. I like interviewing people and amid ended. I got off to a bit of a bad start. But sometimes i just want people to relax a full the interview and like was a line woman. Doing this and does question i said. Can you tell me who what to band needs. Like something from a police oxide. Great this guy. I've got him. So offside now that he's going to really get his head fox when he realizes how much i actually have to ask him in the next hour and a know about me that by the end of the he was became an ideological injury and was quite because we kind of went to his place in the lighting worked with was like all. You can be quiet setting up cashew. It's recording theater. Pace was decomposing at the time. It was very quiet and then he just sat on his chair thought interview abdullah like a million miles an hour. Eight o'clock in the morning. I apologize because i actually had to. It was on steady slightly. Got adhd and then you know. I know i do at the end of may not in the offensive. Why or anything. Correct signing jordan's energy in the interview a lot. I mean there were great interviews and you know look. I'm a kid from kansas. I really was into the police. I wanted to see them when they came through on the synchronicity tour. My parents wouldn't let me go. There was like a conflict. It was thanksgiving or something really dumb. Like why would somebody have a concert near thanksgiving. And they're like look the biggest being in the world we will get you tickets. Next time they come back and then they broke up. And so i was. I was devastated as a teen and then years later i won a contest and got to see them when they did their reunion tour in like four or five or whatever and had great seats but synchronicity is totally different album from their previous stuff. And what was so impressive about the interviews that you did in the way that it fits into air studios is you have that great. Mtv shot of you know throwing water in the face and getting into a fight on the air to show how toxic it was but they were on the island and they were stuck there and your previous interviews says that all three of their wives wanted to divorce after the previous album and so they were in this point of transition and for all the footage that you show beforehand of everybody collaborating you show. The the separate recording was the only way that they could get through it by separating into different spaces so that they weren't with each other because they were getting along so poorly and how that isolation plus the isolation of the island was affecting them but also affecting the music which sound completely different from just about anything that they had done before that so that was hands down one of my favorite parts of the documentary. I'm curious what what your approach was. When you're editing it because the medically the isolation of the island and the isolation from each other really worked well well that would perfectly timed in the film as well that it was like you know the halfway through as the rise of the place and then it's like well not everything can be so happy all the time i think of that. Was the white paper. Rubber coating album thought to be different and they liked the record in isolation to get exactly just the drowns. Stuart says and everything bought way when you say does five Unhappy upstairs himself with that drum kit like now displayed in Country on a zoom late doing the drugs or whatever also not at the tycoon wife from that help collaboration together in the room in that obviously the energy the win the three of them were in the room. Together just imploded in a good way assets. I mean it was. It was a great movie. We're going to say something. Cody i was just gonna say that is a shot within that section of the film that of around that it's a drawn shut of the volcano coming in and and you know farrah's the volcano is really wanted it to be a metaphor in the film for sort of like you know starting to go wrong and a metaphor for we know in that volcano erupts. It was essentially the end of analog recording things move to digital and we bring in the volcano at that point in the film. I think to kind of stop to shadow that things are really changing in the recording industry and as gracie said i think the police are perfect example of that because the digital the the digital and the recording techniques definitely starting to save sapien. When when you starting to record a different roads that you have that ability i mean it works beautifully and it led right into your dire straits section about win. Air studios became the first digital recording for that album which was intended to be the first big cd from philips electronics. Which i i was aware of kind of but not as much that it was recorded that way because i started going through their back libraries and adapting to cd but your brothers in arms was recorded specifically for cd and just became such a hit from that so i mean that was that was a really great section as well logistically when the hurricane hit and then the volcano how much how much was lost at air because you show that after the hurricane which was really the first impact that affected them that they had to abandon the studio. We were there. Were there tapes and things from the archive were lost. That were never recovered. Because you talk about mold or did overall pretty much at that point. Everything get brought back to london when they realized that they were going to be slowing down before. The volcano even erupted. I think that said george martin. He's he was a visionary. He knew that by the time of that hurricane hit that. The stray was changing so The hurricane physically destroy the studio physically destroyed the island. The island was totally decimated. The why that studio was built. Because i guess it had to be soundproofed and older lightest technology. It actually sustained the hurricane. I think i turned into government house for a little while while they're rebuilding but it george. It was more about the fact that i think you know at the end of the eighties. And you know. After the rolling stones he very much realized that record budgets. Were not going to be the sign then going to send these guys down to the carribean anymore so Nothing was lost. I think there was. There was a transition period. Of what are we going to do with this place host hurricane and then i think the ball kind of cemented from that. It was the end. Editing is the final stage of writing for documentary. Just the editing during the pandemic. Talk us through your editing process how you adapted to the pandemic and then how long it took to edit this and find the right cut well we bought on karen. Johnson edited bacchus documentary. 'cause i think i'm going to call you when i came on like it was very collaborative and i really liked the team i worked with and karen is so good at croft in back bar going but what are we trying to say but yes has about what we actually trying to side with the film. And so we did like i guess. She was editing a lot as was still filming which is a big catch up because we still be going out and not in say the russia's kind of catching up everything wade wade sexual the interviews and then often we kind of did the assembly. We went back and kind of book the script and and try to work out. That didn't we need more context around way. Where the bands were at that period. In that lot with georgia's history and stuff like people who was super fans knew everything. Yano ultimate exactly. What's at that time. But the people out generation might not have And so it was kind of working out these miniature Structures in the film that we went back into the edit it edit it was twenty twenty eight thirty weeks and then the last i guess yeah. I was in sydney canoes. In w why. And i mean i think caused at a set of you guys are all on the same page in film at the moment with the editor in. It's very easy. 'cause we talk on the phone or whatever and you don't need to be in the room. It was great that we got all being the road to get up to nine hundred. Nineteen and that whole energy edit. Tell us where you're doing. This share footage. Because in my magazine and backstory magazine. We interviewed the Editors of suicide squad and they were talking about how difficult it was. Until warner brothers up proper servers because there were there were two of them sharing andor editorial assistant so it was. It was a much bigger film. But how are you guys. Sharing footage back can zoom in mind is now and she brings avid dot com on the video. And watch stuff Did you get saving yet. What obviously saying films bagan privacy anyway at privacy issues as well but like to ask crazy. But are you saying you used zoom screen share of your editors desktop and that was good enough to see or. Did you have like a judge with my face film. But karen i mean a few times i think we logged into zoom and stuff but we also had every interview transcribed on ipads where we haul out of the whole bunch stopping you cutting on new material site well so if we got on the phone call to talk about something that was kind of made to see it we we were sitting at during the these new material a lot so i think it's different the everyone but i think we were luckily lucky that we're at a point where we just need to be elton's bannon gerry beckley so we kind of like just hugging elton john cage riches of that state and then the pandemic so we really in that like loss fons throws the remote process was i know how it would have been if it was the stop of the process for us i mean that's a big cut thirty weeks that's that's that's a long time but it makes sense because you had so much footage in the modern atmosphere. Did you ever consider making this into a limited tv series rather than a film. Because i'm sure your original cuts probably could have been like a three part series or something like that. Yeah i think there is. There's discussions about that from the very early stages of making this. Why not make it into a series in each episode is like the place out of. I think what what why resistant to that is. You know as i was saying interest in the human story of of these guys. And i think if we had done just to police documentary we would've broken it down and got into the technical side. The you know the chord progression of every breath you take all that kind of stuff and gracious is mike is. That wasn't what we were gravitating to so There's a version. I think have been maybe a director. That was a mega fan of these artists that we would have would attend into tv series but alway cat about was he near the relationships. And all that kind of stuff I'm sure that that question will continue to come up on. You can do on on the nave just the yeah this. You also have air london. So i mean you could do a series that continues with without a doubt. It's it's always fun to hear about scenes that were cut or deleted that filmmakers hated to cut but had to make the tough decision for the benefit of the flow of the movie and everything else. What were some scenes like that guys held onto right till the end but you knew for the betterment of the movie itself. They needed to get chopped ran. I mean we had a really fun. Time into your jimmy buffett that we. It was a disaster of an injury. We actually way were in san francisco interviewing roger glove and all the airports closed down and we had to drive through the night. We got to malibu like seven iam or interview with jimmy windsor item. We hadn't slept a wink and he was like i'm just go staffing for a couple of hours. Got but hey told us so. Many great stories and there was one in particular where Hey talks about the studio manager who. He has frustrations within the film about the ball but essentially the studio manager that would down the beach. One day he was watching the guy trying to pull them on ding. What you call them. We call them dis australia. A little robot thing and the engine wouldn't start and he started drifting out to sea and because jimi didn't really like these guy very much at all whatever they stadium jaw with his wife and they went back up the studio and they're having a great time and then A few hours later. George ruxton and he said you know wedged any whereas a student manager and there are always sore. I'm actually drifting around the corner and the cards around once a really strong. And the george martin like sound the lam's and to find the sky and meanwhile jimmy buffett through Say potty studio so he bought it the whole island and had his massive losses say potty and they actually ended up having to cole mccoy scott and i didn't find any and his wife until the next day around the corner so there was like also saw wild stories on this that went on. That didn't make it. I mean gracie. Can you think of any others that we excluded radio really like i feel like that. Yeah interviewed but yeah there was stuff. Yeah mo gossipy things something that like really gonna make it into the film Yes i'm not some of the danny light. The local windsor. He told you know wild stories. That went sorry letters. Engine like looking around the room. And everyone how. I'm gonna get into a ninety minute film which is very tyron time. It could have been longer lose your longest cut. I think we always moved pretty good. Pretty good on time Do you think. I mean i think it only probably would have max on. We watched a three hour. Simply one sentence most. Yeah but we were. We were pretty good. We were very wary of like audience's attention span. The fact that some of these bands might not have been for for everyone like not. Everybody's adrenalin fan. Or you know. I'd be like oh that band you know and so it was hard thing going. Yeah people. I love the police. hey. Randall buys lasagna. So we're starting to run out of time. And i guess one question to end on before we find out what you're off to next is your toughest scenes. So so cody will start with you. You're tough seen as a producer and also thinking as a writer and then gracie your toughest seen as a director and as a writer and they don't have to be the same scene that could be different from producing writing etc. Starting with you cody. I think pregnant. I agree with me on this. This isn't a sane it's more of a segment but the end the end sir top. We always we always had this like this. Know different different things. We always knew perfect. We've got this end of a volcano and got of george martin debate it was but that hurricane and volcano to get that right and have that not feel like a double ending and i do think that people in that our films have to kind of get over the hurricane to get to. The vote was really tricky. We tried it so many ways. We tried taking out the hurricane. But that's not the truth is the the motto so always felt like we had a bit of a double ending and that took wakes thrust decay place when we could sort of moved. Sure that In a way that wasn't confusing for the audience. Oh didn't give them an emotional And i also think that may seem like a one to blow. You know like just as they're recovering from the hurricane. All hopes are dashed by the volcano. Hits there's just can't be a future for it. Yeah yeah trust the process like you know like the mayor was actually the beginning. 'cause it was like how do we think it was economy. That in the end disliked hot at the stop and because we kind of versions where it was like. Let's go straight to the island because the film's about the studio. We won't get there but then it was like okay. We'll get back to london. Just like a brief twenty history on said george martin and so it was that thing of china yet. Get the film going because all of sudden reside at says i like hof now. Forty minutes jimmy buffett. We need to be bother to arrive at this time. But that thing of trying to we able to understand. George legacy new Now about History voted for him. And then you know the whole history of light building the flex before somebody came down there but then kind of go feels about bans. It down there so i think that was a thing for me. That went back and forth. Because as soon as you went back to london is very british film very history and then you have the side of the island. Yeah trying to work out how to do. Not the hottest pot that makes sense and that's the mathematically logistically cody. What was your most difficult day as a producer or weight. And i'm gonna. I'm gonna take out music rights because i know that that was a herculean effort but but logistically. There's a filmmaker as as a producer on a documentary. What was what was something. That's still kind of gives you nightmare flash when you think back on it. Yeah i know well. Yeah so the thing about making documentaries and making documentaries is even if the people on in the film. So elton john wrong stones. They still have to sign off on them. Likeness in the story so Paul mccartney rolling stones elton. They will have to watch the film and say yet we approve. But there's there's an added layer of complication because what happens is At the producer. You go okay. Here's the film elton. Mick jagger keith richards. Paul mccartney plays watching approve. And then you'd have a cop and it has been an music and they'd come back with comments of tightness out this up and that has unplug effective okay with takeout that akai. You know there goes a chunk that i've already approved with this person in a we. They want the music longer. And so there was. It was a web and i'm quite a controlled frac- producer and under the on those films. Where because there were so many approvals are the likeness music and archive. I would have to step back sometimes and just let it go hiwa and enshrine rain back in Because everything had non flow affect and even to the point of our Our sound guy lawrence ornoff sound on. Who was amazing. He was in buenos aires and human. I would be on the phone every day. And i'd be like make sure you don't go to seconds police on because then it's going to cost an extra eight thousand dollars. It was just Yeah it was a web. I've got this a spreadsheet. I love spreadsheets. And i've got this spreadsheet which is all the approved was on the film and every day i would tend something grain like oceans approved his likeness oaten teams point one and also send the film at its best quality. But you don't want to stop the sound meeks. The great until roads approved makes it. Which makes it hard for somebody to evaluate because they could be watching at a lower quality lower resolution which turns them off. And you have to buy the akai for it to bain high resolution. It was a long time. Greg was gracie. What was one of the most difficult logistic moments onset as a director but in the field. Something just wasn't going your way but you're filmmaker you are on a limited amount. We got really close to get an elton. John and one of my friends was like if you come to the chanel not in london. I'll sit next to david furnish. And so i was texting cardi and i got stop a stopping people from my film with assaults kind of like not feeling like the only non celebrity in the room and sit down nine wasn't on city between the director of recommend and david finished In shade sade and public public at two minutes to randomly peach the fact that we need ellison for the film. I'm not really not them. And then just got on like a house on fire goats date that i did not turn around and say he's like what are you working on and off during documentary that my dad told him some of that. That's amazing and then yeah just at the end of almost like little films universal about issues raton like all eligible went down actually ultimate tosses biggest to go down. But i think the house my desk. And i was like what that was but i think he is on tour so we had this hall kind of like like we should hang out when we're in sydney. The smells like we should as we've might walking posses house time on stole came. Somebody stark likes to getting him. And we had the meetings with david then just left. I like maybe. I'll come ups in london in april was like yeah i guess maybe the world would be shut down with weights hot and then we're gonna Another meeting so. I think yes. That was kind of disappointed as i feel like cutting going to like the sixty of level of video game code. Can you get elton john for the movie. But yet that was this more Disappointing but at the same time you know the interviews with him. It was quite insane back at that time talking about it and you really felt like back there and sometimes you know you take the risk of interviewing people in it. Yeah interesting people you want them to kind of look like that could never met debate. Great and i do think we would have got him. Nothing will through archival footage. You actually have a really good presence forum. So that still works. what do you both were. Young next cody would. What's something that you're you're writing or producing next. I've just about a to release another documentary code. Gillick like you which is a love story documentary about a couple undergoing gender transition that we've shown over six years so that's about to be released here in australia And some festivals overseas which would be out soon And then. I'm moving into the feature narrative space at the moment so working on some really exciting films a in western australia and developing theories as well for the streaming so sort of jumping strike back into the crazy world and gracing. I at the same time trying to find on next subject. So were you know we get on the phone every time like who can we get So you know we never make a film about the ten mice famous bands will. I'm next time we'll just pick one band or one person and and from that. That's that's great crazy. What are you working on. My speech of film narrative in post production seriously read which is a film production company. Don't ask peaches and then. I've directed on comedy series called the Which is like a sketch show. That just came out worldwide on amazon Drops every week so we just talked episode trae yesterday and then yeah joining a fashion show here. This fashion work and then yet mental started a show with netflix spot. With the pandemic that could just disappear so just wanna yet waiting to say the next few weeks but definitely busy usually ought to life holdings at once but i'm working on Threes threes could wait is still split. Your focus belichick. My dad is well. Yes that's anyone and so. I'm excited to see that when you're done with a bit look you both. I think you for being so generous with your time. I really loved this movie. You painted such an intimate portrait of artists making art and not really always knowing where they were going. 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Gaming Fixx Live #63 4/21/21 A Large Departure

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Gaming Fixx Live #63 4/21/21 A Large Departure

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That's almost like that's in the territory of fancy in boss sort of right the game. Stay single player back right. I was not amused. I was like wow the other thing. I don't like about that. Is that the way it works is that you're playing a whole level and you will get a you'll get a drop or a a reward for the whole tier but if you get to that last here and you'd be all these levels you get nothing. So they've got this thing that's like really hard and you get nothing so like there's like i'm like i'm glad my friends are are in. The alliance. roadside would reach quit because that was annoying ridge quitting like that against certain positive. I definitely familiar with. I mean that's generally my thing with Any sort of those dark souls games or you know soles. Born or any of those deliberate really tough underside games that my thing tends to be not boss fights but losing progress and then so. I'm not selling this game today. Honestly i'll be be honest does in today. I did three raves. Each raid is a basically. You're you get a six six fights and then you get your numbers. What happened is the numbers at nineteen. So i was in the platinum arena. So i'm like oh someone like brushed me a little bit so i'm sitting at the gold arena but that's okay. I'll just run in real quick. Do a little bit of damage and pick up my numbers. So then i'll be back in the platinum now. I don't even know if i'm in gold right now. Because i just got my butt handed to me over and over and over again today. It was terrible now. So these six are these. Like buying rounds. No there so this is a raid so basically what it is is the computer will say okay. This is this is a this is a a person that you can go against And then i can re roll with my food have so much food. Yes and so much. I have so much food. I can just keep clicking it and i wanna roll me. I want to quickly rolls. Because i always have a surplus of food and i need to usually i need space because my other productions have already produced the food and i want to put them away so i can get more food right and Foods it seemed in that game is an very expendable Give a base manager. Yes and the amount of food you can produce if you're playing the game since it is a mobile game where you're kind of checking it at least daily. Yes you're less. You're always going to have that available if you're flying through the game and there's a couple of weeks to burn for food but it just it takes a minute lake. One way you could through. Food is by making troops. The other one is by making harpoons. That's of your higher level because you have to be a lot higher level like twenty three or something like that. That's actually your stuff is a point three like i'm at thirty nine right now. I'm almost forty right now But yeah it's like you burn through food that way. If you're lower level one way to burn food is just to make some things and some of the things that you can make are cheap like you could make tonics but tonics worthiness but they will burn food. Which is like the green stuff. Just like health oceans funny health oceans that are insignificant or they're not health potions all they are is they Remove conditions. Oh sarah me but the thing is is all all of the mike a lot of my heroes. That i have. I have actually. It was just one here that i have can remove conditions and i run it all the time so i'm just like i'm gonna run my hero so i don't need any of this green stuff. It's just taking a slot. And i want it. It's a limited inventory like three or five items. You can take into a fight right four. Yeah four yeah in that case. It sounds like it's absolute worst worthless if you do have characters that can do that. Same effect right on the only thing is like when my heroes right now is like it takes a long time to get your heroes going like i've been working on this one a little dark elf with glasses been working on her for like two or three weeks now. But it's weird. I looked at her and all she needs as tabart which means she gets her tabart. And i can I always forget what. The word is can Upgrade her and once. I mention accents. And that's it yeah. I ascend her and then she gets Then she'll get up on the tree and when she's on the tree you know she can get to like level twenty or something. Although i'm guessing because i've never i've never actually got a fifth of five star tree. I have a feeling that all of the stuff is going to cost a lot more because that seems to be the way that this game operate so but I still love this game. It's just sometimes it's love hate situation just like in any game I think any game that you're going to be playing distantly over that long period of time if we're talking months or more in this case like years of two years so yeah i'm comfortable like i haven't played in a game like that a long time but would be le- let's super into illegal engines every single day playing and Yeh always a love hate relationship for summer reason or not. Let love to see my hours. That i've logged in but that'd be kinda crazy probably a lot of legal I try to do that. I remember that was like how much of your life in days you have wasted on legal action so as far as gaming and of course we pathfinder and pathfinder was interesting An all in the we. That's weird 'cause do we not. I guess we didn't have a show All the time of course we didn't have show because i was still okay so anyway on the game was interesting. Basically and It brought up a question of Challenge rating which keeps coming up because really yeah So the challenge reading on on the counter that i put together was supposed to be a cr seven which was supposed to be one over the characters so they went in and they left this bed. The mary they were in they were fighting finding all the monsters lease on dry. Add the dry. Was there talking to her. The drive disappeared and then a beautiful woman with wings. Was there with horns on her head. Okay what type of wings. Like i retired battling terror. Yes that wings. So she was really nice and she told him that she wanted to give him hugs and and hold them and then she was also willing to increase their their prowess in battle and that she would send some friends along with them for their quest and then they were like no cell. Because yeah i was gonna say this sounds very much like -flective honeypot situation going on. Yeah it was it was basically. She has the ability to One if she hugs you can take she can drain a level so any now any kind of intimate contact you can rain a level from you and I haven't played many are are. Pg's like this now. My understanding though is that leveling in his far more difficult far more substantial yet. Then you know if you lost a level I think it's a temper level but if you if permanence really bad but i think it's it was temporary if i i'll have to look at it if that happens. There is a spell that you can use to fix it. But it's very high level when most people don't have it on them But the other thing is if not then yeah. You're you're losing x. P. you're not just losing like this sucks you're like losing you'd be losing the level which would be like everything from which could be up to. I don't know like in their case they'd be losing probably something like fifty thousand xp or something like that which is pretty rough then. She was offering to send a friend. A friend was actually a babu. Assassin demon which quality wouldn't have been amazing for them There's just gets better and better. They they seem to have made the right decision. And then the The augmentation she can make for them to increase their prowess works. But it curses them. I can't remember how but some kind of nasty cours but so she's at those abilities. Which i was like okay. This is but most of them for the most part in ball seduction deduction so if they don't vote for the seduction. There's not really much. That can be done and i guess i got rolled seduction against him. And been like yeah. You know what's going on. But i'm still seducing union and wrecking your life. But i didn't do that but she just had one ability that i was like you got okay. Well there's two there's a couple things one is. She has a thing called. I don't know if you've heard of this it's called. Dr damage resistance right that's So it must gain since to be damage. Resistance is direct deduction. Chris and what it means. Is that if you don't have x. Thing then i take away ten points so if you hit me for twenty with Just generic damage. Then i take ten off. But she also had immunity to fire exiting poison and she has a pro good prep good and she's got resistance to cold acid and something else so she has all these protections right. She's got eighty four hit points so the thing is though they're trying to hit her hip points they don't have any of the items to get past the dr and most of their damage is coming from things that she can just ignore like snowballs and she's got a spell resistance which means that some of the spells the day cast if they don't get doers instance don't hit her period each sounds like a tough encounter but this is where it gets really bad. Her attack is which can be done. It's unintended spell. That was on. The sheet. Is as i saw it on like. Oh well that's a win co vampiric touch. All i have to do is make a touch on you. Make my role to hit your your touch c. Which means without armor. And i get to rule sixty six of damage against you which is pretty nasty. But then i get all of your life. It's transferred to mean so it does. It's likely whichever. Over guests like mike leach. So she has his life. Leech thing that she can do as many times as she wants. And at the same time you're still trying to hit these. dr's and stuff wall. He's just adding life onto her. Hp so it's like good luck. They hit her like so many times. They're all and dig through. Maybe drought through two days of fighting because it was that long of a fight it was. We played one night. And it's like okay guys and it's like all right so make you an offer and but four mir who i've talked about before was gone because he took warm air and they're like well. Where's warm air. But she's like. I'll i'll make you deal. I will take a magic item from you worth this much money. If you do that you can just go in. This is over. And they're like and the scottish all right so he grabbed the the tiger idols and simone her l. My going off so room back and fight again gory guys. It's eleven o'clock at night on. If this continues it'll probably go another five hours or so. Each so lagarde will play mix next game so we play next game. Same exact thing happens except for the fight stops again. There's a negotiation. The negotiation goes bad. Again fight starts again because in the negotiation it was really weird are barred is a like well. All cast suggestion like cools. So you know not nothing. She can do about that like we looked like going. Oh wow this is weird like can suggest this. So what do you suggest. It's like well a one her to answer my question which is what do i have to do. In order to get warm air back. What would we have to do. What does she want. And she's like. I want you to go to the most powerful dragon in the dungeon and get his soul form just down with and i'm like am i will let you are very giving cubists. Let you take your entire life to try and do this. It was really weird too because she didn't actually ask for his immortal soul and he actually put it into the contract. I was laughing. It was so weird. He's like all right. We'll so if. I don't find this dragon this dragon. We give warm your back if i get the dragon sign than unlike he made it as a contract just for him because skyler was budging on it so is just just the bard me contract. And he's like alright so final. Bring this back then. I don't give war mir. And i lose my mortal soul. She's like yes done. Oh man the o. Eill out well. Hopefully that barky drag. We'll know he'll he's like alright. Well i'll put us in advisement. And he likes was put the contract in his pocket. Didn't sign the contract so like getting messages in his head because demons can do that by the way the like. You need to sign the contract. I'm giving you three days. If you don't sign the contract that won't be repercussions because you said that you would sign the contract with your words so if you're not going to do it there'll be repercussions and there will be and i doubt he listens to the show. But just so you know There will be repercussions. And they'll be harry and big with horns. It sounds like they're they're going to have a tough couple of sessions coming up they are they are And then i I've been watching. The dc animated movies. Because i was at a geek event Those cool went to orange county. The heat them. I think he i can't remember what she calls it but A friend of mine is the host for that and i went to Watch a thunder force. Which i'd already seen. But it's still kinda funny. It's a. It's a superhero movie with Mccarthy nf hardly a most of them are carthy oh okay The names are can't and jason versus and I can't think of her name She's like a young black girl about the same age as muslim. Mccarthy fueling the comedy actually but anyway this was this was pretty funny It was a It was good just hanging out but people started talking about Somewhere else maybe. That wasn't that. I don't know some of the talking. About and dc animated stuff. Those are usually pretty good like transformers. Because like i'm like doing transformers today. maybe it was. maybe it was. I think it was. Yeah they were talking about transform they were talking about it in the transformers chat room. They're talking about Just the different animated. And then like i started thinking about the animated movies and there was like just a couple i hadn't seen so i watched red sun and i watch Reno superman then. I watched death in the family. And i watched a stroke Nights knights and dragons. And then. I watched the creepiest firkin. Scariest just asli movie. I've ever seen it was called War of apocalypse interesting because they usually done associate justice league with creepy. Yeah so basically. Won't justice league dark but it was basically Superman's like yeah apocalypse is trying to attack us. I mean clearly. Dark side is trying to attack us. We need to move now. I don't know about that superman because he's dark side and i think he'll probably murder are faces if we go to apocalypse to bring it and he's like no no. We're going to do this and like it pans out in dark side watching the whole plan as they're talking about it on the monitor. He's watching it on his monitors on a poet's back can't go well. No so it's like. It says something like two years later and clark comes looking for constantine because constantine's bar going through the alphabet of booze. Drinking it gone is like crashed out. And just like does not just his give it away all of his field of of f. words he can and that's when clark comes in not superman but floor because Dark side has permanently into his flesh. Tripton liquid kryptonite in the symbol of a superman s. o. His eyes are green and he is a dude okay. Yeah that's actually unsettling by. That sounds cool. But that i could see how that would be. So does it give you an idea of why it was really unsettling the at the very end. Clark kent is like saying we have to do what we can. We're we're heroes as star flyer is holding dick grayson in her arms. Who is in a straitjacket drooling on himself. Wall star fire has like her whole face Cybernetics out and it was just basically holding jason lake in decrease in numbers since thinking. I think she just wants to cuddle like they. Just all these people are so messed up. There's like we just wanna lay here and probably die at some point soon because what you described sound like very similar to us Symptoms of clinical depression. Yes so yeah. They're just like we're done because we're not. We're like half the heroes we were you saying. We have to save these people but you. I don't think we can. So i don't wanna give away too much of like how but it. It was a pretty shocking end. Because you know like give this was the end cannon wise people would be pretty shocked. It's like yet. And that's how i wa. The justice league is that's how they ended their day. That's all folks. yeah that'd be pretty crazy So yeah. I've been watching those and i don't know yeah. I think i think that must be the time in which i done docking data well just before we started what i was playing con inspired by stream last night my friend did. He was playing tetris. Effect i may have mentioned that one on a show before The deal is it is true. Set to various gideon songs and you know rhythm songs And the way it works is basically you have so many lines that you have to clear before you go onto the next stage and they will Kind of like they won't take the entire board away but they'll like give you some room for free and as you go through all thirty six lines. It goes faster and faster read times so You have to go through multiple stages and there's a whole campaign of different songs while this is going on. You have nice different. Visualize irs that change throughout the state. The bricks are of various colors. The background images going on i. It's really cool trippy. Animal experience though. The what i was playing today Earlier was i kept getting to like thirty one lines. And like i feel the i fill it up to like and this is out of thirty six filled up to like halfway and then all the sudden i you know one more and like it would just flood in on us and i'd be like oh so it actually to me Gibbs tetris a bit more of a gallon kuzan kind of like a good presentation. So you so good at tetris that you you don't need like you. You need a challenge. Well it's not. I'm not that it's challenge. It's the setup has more to it than just play until you get the score and one thing way. The score works In the campaign is you don't actually get scores for clearing aligns unless at the full address but you do get score for either moving blocks down fast or completely wrapping them so The most effective way to actually get a high scoring act is to you know kind of actually try and see three moves ahead and the moment the the block is available. Just hit up and it'll drop down. Immediate okay oh at those higher speeds that got pretty much off and i kept running. Insists that you asian where It'd be i'd be flipping it around and it'd be stock and i'm trying to move it to like okay. I got to be able to get something here. Like to help me survive and network. Because they had that moment. where like doesn't lock. But you could still slip the piece around great you know. Have that pack that going along. But overall i had a lot of fun playing that. And it's something. I'm hoping to be able to play through the campaign if i could. Actually you know. Beat that stage that was my plate today a haven't played like any game like too long but i have gone back to at least trying something different everyday for the last few days which I am trying to expand my horizon. So i have tried another mobile game. Okay and This i actually think. It's the format of mobile games. Pretty well and it is this guy. Rpg or those unfamiliar guy is a series a turn based tactical rpg's where style tile base. Okay these are japanese. Rpg's there's also an anime in a whole expanded universe and the big thing that this guy is that it is absolutely hilarious like Much pop culture references. You know modern day humor and it subverts a lot of tropes ajay. Rpg's is i question is did guy come from online. Oh no no no this guy he. I s mode guy. Okay okay yeah. It's a long running series of these japanese. Rpg's that like they they so the publisher nis. America puts you in the west and an is how i have a love. Hate relationship that they put out because this guy and they do really good comedy like the comedy is top. tier like But the games have a lot of kind of jank worked through and these are definitely want one. The reasons why i say they. This sort work well with mobile is these are games with infinite leveling infinite increasing difficulties. And like to the point where you're you have characters. Hp numbers everywhere. Sort sort of thing and In lasorda somewhat repaired content but endless ability to play and i think with the seasonal events disguise humorous rioting and. It's you know ability to grasp not just long-term players but also someone like me who is more in there for the story slash you know Just the campaign solid on sure. I am having a lot of fun with his campaign because everything is tongue in cheek and a lot of mobile games. I've played like this where i get lost is. The campaign is not delivered well for effectively all and this The they have the characters like pop out on the Free when they're talking to you in it actually feels like it's fluid and it's actually a you're engaging with story compared to a lot of these other mobile games where you have to her. Purposefully engage with the story behind. The game is in my like it could be fine You know definitely not all games need a whole lot of war and exposition early on but at the same time that's right that's my moldy game out recently cool What else so one of the things. I did get to try out where the xbox live games with gold this month and a half to say i'm disappointed Particularly one of them. It looks like it was would be good. And i had played godoi recently. So i've got kind of a taste for norris mythology scandinavian stuff. And there's this game they put on on the This month called vikings by battle for mid guard or something and it's a action. rpg isometric akin do like diablo and such Oh man this was such bare bones and the entire time was like oh man. I was really looking forward to some sort of the oslo. Ask game we had a you know. liking senate or norse mythology setting like that would have been really cool and it was just so barebones and like i can understand why they gave this weight gain away for free right sort of experience play through basically tutorial and i was like yeah. I'm not going. There was also a truck racing game. They gave which is probably my biggest annoyance with the free games that they tend to put out right. Is that like if you look at my library. Which has like sixty or seventy games with games of gold right now. Quarter of them are all like really bad racing. Also they're not good racing games as well like as especially for me. I have no interest in these whatsoever and these are like so. You don't game so that's the thing. Yeah and these are top tier stuff like four's Or need for speed or anything like that where it's like. Wrc euro truck your truck which it was something along those lines and i was like. Oh okay now. What was good. They did put out. This month was They put out the last good. Contra gain that our came out our core uprising bitch. The hardcore theories is an off shoot of the contra games. They pretty much are sing. Zach thing just have a few mechanical differences do them Particularly what it is in the contra games like old school nestlings you could only have one special weapon at a time and if you you know picked up another weapon it would just you know. Switch over so you. If you add a laser and then ran across ran into a rocket launcher you just have to look the way hardcore works. Is you have to slots that you can change between but when you get hit you lose one of the bows weapons and switch over to the other so adds a little bit of a extra layer of complexity and quick decision making which i happen really like as well as Hardcore tends to be a focus. This one is very anime. Though compared to the old school second games the hardcore series is on where it was all the contra futuristic alien invasion everything destruct everything destroyed this had a way more bright color palette previous contra games and i'm still good but that would pre pretty much be like best out of the xbox five free gold games that i've played this one. Okay or or not this month but over the last week Let's see. I have jumped into dark souls to that was what i was doing yesterday because i was watching a podcast slash youtube series. Let's drown out which is a old series The guy behind zero punctuation did when he was in australia and his buddy would just like for the most. This was implying dark soul but most of the time they would play games in the most boring way possible to taco. Why specifically when. I remember as they played assassin's creed just kind of like Looking at the architecture and just logging around I had been watching them. Play dark souls where they were doing a off thing where When i would play when died they would be responsible for making the back story of the character. They were playing which got got pretty funny. The adventures of doug was So i jumped into dark souls to yesterday played for a few hours. And then the same thing like i was describing earlier I had lost a whole bunch of experience. And i was like okay because in that those games like if you die on your way to re experience where you die before it's just gone. I lost a significant amount of progress at the very beginning of the day. Like no going to go any further without though See to is one. I haven't finished out of the sake. Dan and i do wanna go through those pretty soon because Hopefully we get something at a three. But the george martin amis sake game. Elven rain should be out either this year nets. Well you never know what george martin but this is true business very true which is all the me but love the me. One of the best. I've seen was a picture of georgia are martin. Mike really kernan smiling and when he gain. And it's like nice elden ring. You got their shame if no one ever finished it. funny Was also this morning was in a chat room on discord and we were all complaining about How george martin hasn't put out with. But yeah i got my dark souls fix yesterday On the other stuff. I've been playing. Oh yeah the the one. I've been playing the most out. Writers or writers came out about a month ago. It is a third person shooter. It is a ludicrous shooter. Similar to say destiny and Or orlands Definitely though It's quite similar to death except instead of a first person shooter. Similar to halo This is a third person shooter very similar to say years of war or mass effect. Where you're going from you know series of chest high walls fight. Everyone move on another for series obsessed. I've all but It is Gameplay wise is really good third. Person shooter you get three different abilities. I am playing a. I'm playing the sniper slash machine gunner and This character i have. They're relying a lot of freeze on free. So she can throw out a trucker it in the middle of the field and it will just start freezing Shooting little darts and freezing on these. So that i could line them up and snipe them which is pretty nice There when i started the game there was this neat little Turret move that she had Where it would summon this This missile turret that would A line of rockets upwards through the field which I thought was kind of unique for running these games. It's not something. I often see where it's like a straight vertical or not virgo but straightforward progressive shot. I think from what i was telling there was a lot of care. Put into the game. As far as how the abilities you know are dynamic and A bit not necessarily new but are taking full advantage of the mechanics of the game. This game is done by. People can fly which bay. Their games are actually really good but they normally do. I person They did a game called bullet storm which is one of my favorites about ten years ago. Very tongue in cheek first person shooter. That's like kind of the anti-cull beauty and that one focused on getting points for killing people very odd. You know in very unique ways so if you shot someone nuts or you say Shot them in in a very particular location or kick them off a cliff. You would get points in. That's how you fed your ama- okay. Now outriders though. I would say while it is a good mechanical shooter If you're like me and like placing player probably going to run into some problems with game because well the normal you know. The normal lights are completely possible with one person. Brennan to a problem with the boss. I was fighting in gigantic Spider eventually like had three phases It was a love spider so gigantic spider running around and volcano shooting law that great first two phases fine. You know after the first as it gets more powerful third phase it turns into this dig- ganic roundworm and goes up into the center of the map and then starts skewing lava interning clock. What the hell. And i swear. I tried like five times. I could not figure out how to effectively fight it. Without destructive dot com. Yeah wow now in a normal game when you're playing with two other people like the game was designed to be played. I could see that fight being totally possible okay. So it's like a multiplayer usually. Yeah yeah. that's another big aspect of the game is that it's a squad based trio Though i'm just not a multiple player person usually so i had been using the multi-player function but it does kind of seem like in certain spots necessary to play the game so it is also An always online game which It was interesting. There was a video. Put out by jim sterling day. That jim sterling. I playing at on the playstation five belief in an entire month had only been able to actually get into game a handful like as far as being able to log in and play the game that they that didn't paid for a paid six seventy dollars for her and even though the game's mechanics. It's fully playable by yourself. But so it had a mixed launch and i would say ultimately it's if you're really into lueders shooter is pretty much you know you're probably already playing something better now and i'm trying to think if there has been any other titles that i've been playing much of recently but for the most part covers it. I did actually start watching when my favorite tv series or bilberries Recently this weekend. I started rewatching dark crystal agent resistance for someone which i it's that hasn't seen it and it was really cool to see their reactions Particularly in dark crystal The fact they wanted to go for is that everything is other worldly light it It doesn't look like anything. Yeah i have police. But i know they have an actual name. Our wheels on yes On this carriage and leg cuba's like tripping out that he's like oh that's so cool in there's a whole there was a whole bunch of stuff which was pretty nice to see someone's reaction that had never been familiar with like that side of jim henson the more arts say guard but the more strangeness of him not mass suffering. I've seen about it. But i have seen Coastal and i really liked it I watched it with a friend of mine. Who is my significant other at the time Watched it at starbucks a lot actually And in different Different areas of the college. Because it was like basically. I was doing my homework that we would like. It was kind of the end of the business day and then we'd watch it on the laptop. That's currently retired right now. Yeah it's a really good series. And i am so disappointed in that. Netflix decided not to go along with the second. Yeah those are nice I don't because i was there so much that universe that was developed by hands in renton and planned for like there's so much lower there and so much more they could do. And i was really curious how far net flicks was going to let them go because the whole thing about dark crystal is that we already know where this ends with. You know all of gray gilson guy dive into the lauren. What actually happened. It gets rather brutal. Like graduated. The coolest thing about one of the coolest things about dark crystal and jim henson and that sort of era or type of Film with a puppetry is that it's really good at doing fear and terror without being grotesque or Not not necessarily without being groped as but it doesn't cross a certain line usually content like that. Yeah and that's actually things. I love most about dr crystals. Just how for lack of a better one. It is yeah so started watching. That and Hopefully we'll be watching through that whole series again Not much else going on just day to day and as far like watching a whole bunch of other stuff you know video essays. Watching someone's the ellis. Lately watched one recently on robin williams and disney in the nineties and how they feuded over the contract because robin williams didn't want his image to sell toys. Yeah i was looking at that. That is a really fascinating thing and As an apology. Although i think he donated it or something What is his name katzenberg. Who a lot of people don't like it was cathy. Bergen katzenberg gave robin williams a Because he wouldn't take any money for it like as an apology gave him a posso and he just pretty much Said okay whatever. I'm gonna take this as an apology but you know and then just give it to somebody else or something like that. but sounds like williams. Williams is a very interesting for or leading hollywood. His whole thing was he just didn't want He wanted it not to be about the fact that he was playing a character because he didn't want a Fern golly to be overshadowed by landon. Yup that was one of the reasons and apparently katzenberg in crew like apparently like tried to disrupt fern. Gully all the way along. Yeah and the other thing is is like the way that they did. It was like he's like yeah. Don't don't you know as want. I'll do it. I don't care but don't make it all about me. And then they had like all of the posters. Were like the genie like huge. And then you know like aladdin just barely mentioned you know they were totally pushing williams even though that was the deal and it was so she goes over that in the video. It's actually pretty hilarious. So the deal was that he could not be more than twenty five per any marketing. Like image or promotion right. Yeah and the way to get away with that. Was that they made jill The genie trend somewhat opaque. You are not opaque translucent. Like it was the night sky and he wasn't covered in basic so then they could say wasn't taking a bite notting in the pack mickley more than five percent. But there's like in a spirit of of a deal and stuff like that and obviously. They violated absolutely. Yeah using that. The burger king toys were the most egregious. Yes yeah that that was too. And i mean you know people that are tuning in. I'm sure they've heard about this. But yeah it's definitely fascinating. If you ever get a chance to find out about it for sure. I i watched a couple of different chose about it. Yeah it's a really cool story. The one i watched was done by Windscale siping. I mentioned her. Four really cool. Sas bats. that's why. I think i saw i saw from her on. Yeah i think. I saw from her. Yeah that pretty much covers like where. I've been at for the last two that at least that i can remember the moment. Oh see jerry garcia said of all the things on this of all the things. I'll miss mind the most of all the things i've lost my mind the most service on anyway So you were talking about you. Know how they decided to not produce. Dr crystal matt gummy something. i'd heard about. Did you know that amazon. Prime is investing four hundred fifty million dollars to make lord of the rings series. No i was aware they were in work on lord of the rings project. I'm surprised that didn't come up because this morning. In that game phone conversation on the person who was watching watching through game of thrones like for the first time was asking for like series will be next as i had mentioned that will time which is another one. Amazon is making All their time. That'll be really cool. I wonder if they're gonna spend as much as spending on rings. Oh no not. Not by a long shot. I imagined as cool as well time is. I think that's kind of going to be a hard sell Compared to say lord of the rings game. I don't know i know a lot of people that would probably love the fact the time i don't know i absolutely am looking though for to it though i really mean is So time to me kind of sits in between the two like lord of the rings as mortgage fantasy action you know and game thrones his more. You're serious tone. Slash you know politics and stuff wilpon kind of sits in the middle for me though am only about five or six books in right now right. But i've been surprised. Like for instance like what stars did with With american gods kind of surprised me where they just stopped decided that it's not gonna make it anymore but the thing is is. I should've remembered that stars. Does that a lot like they did it with magic city. They've done it with just a lot of their properties where they just stop making them and they don't seem to care already down if the stories over and It's frustrating. But i i've heard that neil gaiman and them are in talks about doing a final movie at least so that it will actually have some kind of conclusion. Maybe hoping that they do that will be the fifty million or the rings who that's your that's like such a. I mean you know back in the day. That was the kind of numbers people wanted to make on movies. Not how much they wanted to spend on these now so like. It's what gets me up is that it's an understandable budget. If we're talking about say doing something conroy. To what game of thrones did over the nine year period that was so so far two seasons pensively to start v. production with that high of a budget an expectation. Like that just sounds like it's going to be a disaster in the making at least behind scenes will like i said and they've already got a pay. They're only talking about two season so far. So that's you know two hundred a twenty five dollar twenty two hundred twenty five million dollars per season. That's like massive. I mean they'll have those assets which will give them cause they'll they're going to build things. Obviously they'll be leased. Those and other places so i mean they're getting assets that are bored of the rings assets but still the same time. It's it's massive. Okay so are they. Just doing laura the rings or what's the deal here. Oh no actually. They're not that's right. They're doing lord of the rings. A prequel of that will have which is another interesting decision. it will have a like he can have sore on. It could have the elves or we'll have swore on it. It'll have the elves in it. It'll have a gandalf It might have some eagle original. Before he turned the this would be treated hobbit yes Yeah okay. That's that's curious yeah So i thought this is interesting I just i thought about the number just because it just it's weird to me when companies make one decision over another Like i don't understand why you would look at at Jim henson's you know Dr cristal series and be like. Yeah i don't see the money there but then on something else you know it's different. You know what i mean. Yeah i see for me. Is that where we're gets me his that it always seems that Artistic expression is a never really part of the equation. No but in its but it's also it's like what are the using now cause like this comes up with wbz and my mind to because right. Now it's like you have pay per view. So how you going by pay per view buys you saying okay if when you have your pay per view then we noticed how many subscriptions we get based off of that pay per view and then that determines that the pay per view is valuable. Does like people were talking. They're still talking about You know ratings. And i don't even understand how readings enter into it anymore. Like when you look at the numbers it just it's really strange as far as everything is concerned I don't know. I don't know why you would go k. We'll this. this show is getting as much traffic i mean. Are they going by views. What are they going by. I mean that's what i'd be kinda curious to find out from a from a video standpoint. Maybe we could look into that at some point. But i it's now i heard like i know. This topic has come up in a lot of stuff. I've listened to. It's just off the top of my head. Like i'm for getting though. I do know that one thing i remember hearing a lot on podcasts like within the last few years is that netflix has sort of an algorithm that basically more or less makes the decision for them by so basically they plug ins numbers on on retention ship like as well as subscribers during during its launch period and things of that nature and that as well as light probably a whole bunch of stuff i don't know and that largely determines whether or not they will continuously now that said. I don't know how they really saying with you as you. I don't know how they really figured out. Because the -tuni- it seems kinda odd way to quantify whether or not something is actually especially since we're not talking about direct sales. Yeah no i. i don't know it's it's the weird thing 'cause like this this kong late especially You know in wrestling. I hear a lot about you. Know the the ratings and only certain thinking you guys. It's kinda strange because everybody is watching this at their leisure of times like i could. I do like i go on. I watch dynamite on wednesday trauma. Eight to nine or eight to ten. But i'll have to. And i can watch it anytime. So how do you know what the rating is for something. How do you know if it's been watched or not. You know. I mean like obviously with something like youtube you can see how many views it's got I guess you could see maybe the back end of netflix's you can see how many us maybe that's what they go. I don't know yeah on the back end so for my experience with working with a little bit on the youtube stuff that i've done little bit what they will give you a stuff like how. How long did the average person wants video breakdown. Demographics as ours where they're watching from and as about them right. Why understood youtube. But i'm like i'm curious more about the the netflix. Yeah on the netflix. Seems like it'd be. It'd be really interesting to know what exactly they're meant right now. That said apparently the buildings netflix model. Wanting a has done is that there are a lot of projects like dirt crystal. That would have never seen the light of day ten twenty years ago. Are you know. Oftentimes do paths that algebra to get. It's you know you got a little bit of You know benefit Loss there where May be sometimes continuing like getting the initial run out there or the initial. You know putting it out there and making it. A reality seems to be netflix's as well as a programs in the realm mediums like game path seem to be expanding entitled confident. Right right but i don't know like i'm just kind of i. I wonder about that. I was actually gonna look but i don't really feel like i have to run my card because at to check Because like facebook. Right now era. My net flicks is on amazon s. Check what like net flicks a hard copy of the movie. Hard candy. So twenty ten. If it's long enough they don't care to see you know. I know that for facts a really also hey darryl We got a new sponsor. Which i know we haven't talked about It's called raise energy and It's a what's cool about it is. There's a lot of different flavors All you gotta do is just go onto rep sports. Get the the Roof sports dot com. Which is r. e. p. p. s. p. o. r. t. s. dot com. And they have all kinds of flavors For energy drink and If you go and do that if you go and actually let's say just go right now. 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I don't like bubblegum Phantom free like okay. both of those layers individually. i could. yeah. I know you probably thought i would different things. I don't know maybe that's how you wind up with like the at sputter than dr pepper of here. We'll also lake south beach diet I'm not sure what a south beach drink would taste like but but anyway Check them out. It's like so for twelve pack packets twenty nine ninety nine or thirty one ninety nine and they also raised energy right now the gnc. But i've heard that's gonna be discontinued so you might run out now if you were going to go get some and Like i said Eventually it'll be helping us out but they're not gonna stop talking about the win. We will be able to see each other again which is coming up which it still like as things progress is still blows my mind that things are kinda some normalcy is right. That sounds good. But i mean that'll look forward to that and look forward to actually trying wannabes. Raise energy drinks that way you because you know if you go anywhere near those chastise you. Yeah if i. If i had one i had to sit then. It would be missing when they got back to the booth. That's what's going to happen. And then i might have pain in my butt from various feet upon upon it. so that's cool Yeah the the most. I can do close to energy. Drink anymore is mountain. Dew and people probably know that. That's probably not an amazing thing that i do but they also know that you know code. Red is my email all say. Oh is that what. Yup you know it okay. I i totally just did not see that at all. I thought it was something else. No i'm a big fan of a few good men and beating the crap out of people know it's it's the drink the drink i. It's funny i was going to do that because i was going by code red Actually it's a mix of things. It's kind of funny but When i was in my fraternity i was called them. The for mountain dew because sometimes when people can come up with the nickname they come up with some trait that you do or something and so. They thought drinking mountain dew leader. That guy changed in mad dog. And i won't get into why. Oh my yeah but let's just say that some people know that i have. I sometimes have some anger issues and move off But no we were joking about it when i was in senate over at At fullerton and we always thought to be funny if if someone said i didn't order the code red or something and have me show up since i was going by code red for someone bringing in code red or be we had a bunch of silly ideas of before senate That probably wouldn't have been appreciated at all but we would thought it was hilarious in concept right all right so well. We do have a bit of a follow up on a story. We covered not too long ago. I cool go for it We had covered a couple of those ago. That sony would be shutting down be playstation three playstation portable and playstation vita store in june for The ps three and playstation portable an later in august for playstation vita. Sony realized famous steak. And i'm going to guess. There was probably a massive backlash in their email. Invokes areas One of the things that happened since we had talked about it with at pretty much all gamers had accounts like myself. Kind of panicked and or downloading. Every what's this issues and things apparently might people weren't able to access any content at all on their playstation. Three's or vitas witch Definitely goes to show that Sony very much miss judged the desire for the market to actually have these titles ability to that right right now. They have birds as burst. Course on the playstation three store and the playstation vita score right. They are still planning to shut down. He playstation portable at which doesn't include also known as the ps p minis collection. Okay which are tiny like one dimensional games that are available for like two three bucks so things again to like pacman older arcade games. I was going to mess with you. But i said not too because that was a weird statement because basically the idea of a two-dimensional game i was like but how how would you pick it up because it's only two minutes. Oh no one dimensional game by one dimensional. I meant that'd be objective. Mechanically tends to be very simple as in like you're older Seventy s arcade games. And that's mostly what The psp men's collection is It was about for they did have at one. A ps key any which was probably a terrible investment for them because Been ways because it did not play. All the playstation portable games only played some but it was a an like really really tiny portable gaming playstation for which Did not seem to be that success but regardless the store places for or still hold a handful of very exclusive type polls are not available for purchase anywhere or what rate This includes myself to gains that. I very specifically have the vita to play that are playstation portable title religion. Our final fantasy tactics were lions and the other one final fancy to city the final fancy fighting and it does suck that sony is somewhat abandoning on the playstation portable star so they still are somewhat pulling out a negative move here As far as in my opinion as customer satisfaction goes and what buying games digitally on Should be i as far as like customer rates and ability for game preservation as well and having gained into the bell on the market. Oh hopefully sony does and where you next and the other publishers do appreciate The gains that are going to be no longer available on the market and have them on other platforms If i'm not mistaken Though the majority of the playstation portable games have arrived on systems like the playstation for or other ensembles. So it's just a handful of titles that we're losing in the next month's but that is a very good thing that they are keeping the playstation three and the playstation vita stores functioning for the time being especially for me because With my playstation vita have like an eight gig Memory card if de maybe even a forget which does not allow you much space when most games on the playstation vita tingey range from one to three gigs or rich. I was very much not looking for to deciding what games i was going to be keeping and what gains on playstation vita. I would be basically permanently giving up it's only had actually shutdown store right on. Sorry what was that. I said right. So yeah that's just the follow up on that story. pity thoughts on that one. Well i think it's good that clearly they You know they listened to their audience relies. That it wasn't gonna wasn't gonna work. You know such a good thing. Yeah like i think often this. This is an example in meters. It was clearly us because we we said that we weren't gonna take that and now they fix it which you know and i know that we are you know we are the vanguard of media and i know that they they had to listen. You know. I am wondering if that did not us like not if i had weights sony i mean come on like that p like that'd be awful now but there was a lot of people talking about it it was and the sheer coverage on this. I think partially them to reverse their decision. Rich a sony just in my talks with other game video gamers at like by a lot In in these discussions they tend to be really mad at sony when it comes to customer customer respecting kind of customer service overall compared to say microsoft. Nintendo it just in various departments. Sony seems to be Doing the seeing the video game industry like did this with horror game saying that they weren't profitable. They said the same thing about single player games this assumption that they know what the market wants because they have something that self all right like. I remember one of the biggest examples. When i started working and video game. Stores was the period of if it doesn't have multi-player type layer component. it's not worth publishing. Well yeah or it's not worth by and it's like that was such a period. It's i mean. The game game industry as far as like the publishers and the other big dogs like tend to underestimate what he actual like especially. The hobby is in those that really are gains along. Granted that it is a huge market. And i'm sure they're dealing with like so much money that they could potentially lose. They sink into a failing project. I mean we see studios go all time now compared to say twenty thirty years ago right right but yeah it's just a. I'm glad that sony got there together. I am i think that's great And I think that it's good when when a company is smart reverses susan and this isn't the first time sony's done that and i applaud them for it Or were they've seen the way that things are going and they're like oh. We're going to make sure that people know that we're not doing this with and what comes to mind is the idea of allowing people to share games and actually buy them having an attitude about it. They kind of stopped a microsoft from doing it because microsoft was going to make it so that you couldn't do. It was very difficult to share games with your friends. I remember the that was the xbox wants yes fox one. Debut and they debuted. That information and sony clapped back real hard in their presentation. Of here's how you share games. And it was like one of the executives lip another handing him. Yeah like here you go off you go. Oh yeah the lie. Don't give me wrong. Sony has made good decisions compared to other companies before as well and win. They do that. They push other companies where they might have been making thinking about making decisions like that where they're like. Oh we can't do that now because our competition isn't going to do that so I applaud them. Thank you sony for keeping the stores open A little little tiny thumbs down for the blue for little games that are going to be available but They're they're kind of a less important. Like the i pink minis aside maybe some independent idols are really stuff. Like you get anywhere. And the thing is is most Most independent unless they just for some reason or like hell bent on. We're just going to Have our stuff on the minis. then you should. You should be able to find them. In other places. I would think but it just depends so We have some magic online announcements. That i had heard about i was like okay. Cool talk about some of those actually. Let me see if jimmy these are. Actually they might just be things. If you're playing at these are qualifiers and stuff but one thing that is an announcement magic online. Is that it. It still open. I did not know that it was Like i said. I have some stuff sitting in the magic online. That's been sitting there for a while. And i of course thought that when they came up with arena that they were discontinuing magic online. Because you know they're has more. It seems odd that they would have to that. Britt magic i game. Bees are both pc. Yeah they're both p. c. and one is well they're also Consul okay did on the console play to But the thing is they are different in that arenas more geared in aimed towards e e sports and online is Has more casual. I think. But then i'm looking at this too and it's like i would think that's the case but i see all this league stuff too so i don't know i don't know it's it's very is it maybe even then but i'm maybe two different developer. It sounds weird to me. Like i'm trying 'cause i always hear about magic online or magic arena. Often i still have yet to check out the games for myself like the magic game. I have hunt. I do have magic game on xbox play one of the old school do fools of the planes walkers and yeah i used to have the really old one which was magic by microbrews. Was that the action rpg or not the accuracy but the rpg. One where you would slowly built a deck by throughout the campaign. Yes yeah that. I played that that was actually not bad. It was sixty bucks league back then. Nestle thing like whoa. Yeah when it first came out. It was screaming. And i was like that early night. Yes maybe was fifty. 'cause i think about it sixty kinda high but i you know i'd have to look but it was. It was pretty high. It was i remember. I was like it was a lot of times. I'll look at things and be like i really want that. And then i will not get it for a long period of time. And then i'll finally and then you know after a while be like. Yeah yeah. I think i want that and then i'll finally get it but sometimes takes me minute and so is one of those things rights kept looking at it and you know what i bought it electron expertise pillow lebie before game. Stop took over. Yeah got it for me be and So that was kinda cool So i don't know if you've heard about this but So trans streamers are creating their own Thing because this is from The verge dot com transformers are creating the visibility. Twitch won't give them and basically what it is is The twitch doesn't allow you to have a tag the for categories. Broadcasters can tag themselves as categories of trans black lesbian right the they do have one tag available at the l. g. Tq ira tag that you only one. I'm aware and basically there's a streaming discovery tool called peer to peer. Make sure this is yes. Two major off streaming discovery tool called period appeared that functions as a searchable directory and then that allows them to be able to do that Because you know that way. They can better identify themselves. Ac- and Having an identity debase tagging system that users consent to provides bull streamers and viewers with the ability davin experienced the brings them comfort and connection. Enjoy now So is twitch finally making this tag or no. That's what i'm saying. It's a company called. They're using. They're using the peer to peer discovery tool Yeah like so I actually watched well. I don't necessarily watch them directly. I watch a lot of Twitch political And like just debates and stuff panel debates sure and there's like quite quite a handful of chance creators out there that are that are in the i can remember actually only a few weeks ago that There was a getting it. wasn't hippy. dippy it was another one but it was handled. That was all trans. Everything where you actually have like nine. Different twitch raiders who are all trance Having conversation on subject with like one or two people that came in. I think like at one point but i do wish see like i could see where it would be problematic. As to having that he thing like i could see why twitch with he had spent on that Especially the way it could be abused like for example like people not watching a particular streamer because of that you know and that kind of killing discovered what would otherwise be like taunt as well as like. I am sure there's plenty of other reasons light which might use chemical about that. But ultimately i think they should be providing something for discover ability and one of the things that are most common about twitch from link creators. they are always complaining about how terrible discover ability is entrepreneur. Right that they they can't be found on twitches easily nor noticed that even just like you have to know the exact code sometimes. Like i've tried to just put in like a friend's partial information and it won't it won't find the thing you have to have the whole thing is a lame it is for Like especially if you're just like jumping on twitch every once in a while it is pretty annoying to try and find stuff like even with like direct you know names of shows and everything been light have had issues with stuff. Low getting a streamer. I've been told now in while say platform like say you to like Even i like. I was actually at someone's house by hanging out and we were watching youtube and i was like okay. I'm curious this person doesn't know me really that much at all. Let me type in my name. See what comes up. And unlike the first thing so discover ability on twitch compared to other social media streaming video platform is ad in And the definitely there is a legitimate when you typed. Your name came up. So that's not bad. Oh no on youtube on twitter johnny other. I have to imagine what you. Yeah you tubes easy to find the lingering her yeah an easy to find stuff that you're which you kind of have already know which is or schnitt or you have to just know how generally like how the platform so since we're bringing up all the Tech giant's today. We did get some news. I don't think we have covered this at all. But i know it's been a big deal and it would have been a big deal considering this has happened before is that discord has decided to not sell microsoft and not to sell whatsoever For those that don't know discord is a piece of software and phone out That is basically similar to how skype used to work except it has a focus on servers and chat rooms and a whole bunch of other features. Microsoft had been in talks to buy dischord. I guess discord you know profitability is always an issue in these fields. And i guess they have been having trouble staying in the black To some degree but they decided not to sell and we have an example of this happening before with skied when microsoft bought dumb everything kind of went right right so that I don't have too many opinions aside. You know what. I just said Though i will say that discord I when reason on glad microsoft. And by is i am having a lot. Better time on dischord as far as like social media stuff like interacting with people online then say previous platforms. I've been on before like safe face. And i think it's the the back that dischord his after be directed a group that you're you know you're actually looking for compare to a masted platt. You know huge platform with access to everybody all the time. I kind of eliminates a lot of the annoyances that you might run into on facebook twitter. So i'm gonna do a full disclosure after Going on to the Magic online and looking at announcements. I was trying to figure out how to get back on my account. And so. i've been contacting Wizards with that. And i'm telling him i can't remember my account number or my account information at all any of it and i don't know what they're gonna say. I think it's going to go badly. But we'll see can't remember. Mike counter michigan law. None of it because it was years ago since i've played magical line The last time i played The score the onslaught was the Set was in production. I'm trying to remember when that was. But i if i'm not mistaken. That was some time ago correct. That was before. I had my store. I had my store at two thousand and two so like two thousand and one ish. Oh jeez that's when. I was playing magic like the tournaments and the stars. Yeah so there's really good possibility. They'll be like oh well. If you can't remember we already deleted your whole account and you'll never get it back. Sucks to be you but come on man. You gotta use it sometimes. Yeah that's very unfortunate. A had the account recovery nowadays is getting annoying to say the least like. Oh yeah just true. I just recently got a new phone because milestone had an issue with the power button and then it you know. I let it duh. I at so it's like okay. I'm tired of dealing with this. New phones download amazon shopping. And i'm like okay. I'm pretty sure. I remember the password because you know most of them. I at least have idea what they are. And it's like okay. Grabbed his phone number. That you haven't had nearly a year and a half. Tell i'm like oh. Wow yeah that's the thing is like i think. A lot of us. onto excerpts but people that are living Very close to very close to a very close to a I don't know what is gonna say is like we were constantly having to switch phones stuff like that bring in removing live different things though on a tight budget. The nature of the way cell phones work. Nowadays it's no longer like before where you would have a how the family the house had it for like multiple generations cases. The phone number forever. Seriously like that's we had a phone number. That long lasted three generations. I think at one point. Where when i was growing it was ridiculous but the the nature of it now is like no contracts. You know Services you know month amonte as well as just the ability to maintain a cell phone number. If you're like going through tough times just in general just living life you know. I go through numbers all the time. I think most people i know i one person who's kept his number the same since i met him in two thousand six and i have no idea how he's done that like it's a you would have to be very studious in transferring your number and keeping drag virpi thing which the you know. I'm not certain. Yeah now i get you so yeah. The nature of account recovery kind can kind of suck Most of the time. It's thaw i general. Just i had that issue with amazon so and it was annoying. No i've had i've had You know the biggest one had. I think i've told you about this. Twitch they really consider their passcodes important and they're going to tell you exactly how strong your password needs to be in like i've had. I have one that. I've used that i'm happy with but they're not so i have to change it up. Because g almighty twitched on doesn't find it acceptable so my which which logging. I literally have to if i have to log in you know because i'm using the same devices night but we're not by 'cause i got the new phone think it off logging onto twitch for a week an iphone yet as i was like i have. I have no book. That has the password. it is positively ridiculous at outages. Couldn't be bothered to but twitter found because of how protective they are their accounts. Though i mean it is amazon. So i guess as amazon is very protective of you. Know just every Providing and i suppose given how much money is changing hands like it understand. Maybe it's still annoying I did see a cool little thing. Granted i'm i have no real interest in the movie it'll Sonic the second. Sonic the hedgehog. Movie is now officially in production in this morning Are maybe yesterday a tweet came out. I thought this thing of them filming. And they had these What would you to scale versions of sonic tails and knuckles onset and They were like pla- you know. Gigantic figures and They were there for you know. Bylines interactions with the actors. A sonic had to is in production and also so tails and knuckles. Do not look like absent. Monstrosities like that. Initial sonic trooper. Though we're not dealing with that again. Will they fixed it. So that's good to see if i have anything else. Nine news wise. Not really seeing much of anything though. So i'll tell you what happened. Basically they said that they're going to have to escalate it and create a trouble ticket and they'll get back to me ow. Ouch probably because of along. I'm guessing oh one thing that we do have. Is that overwatch game director. Jeff kaplan one of the highest profile figures at blizzard entertainment Known as papa. Jeff has left the accompanying a really my farewell message. He said i want to express my deep appreciation to everyone at blizzard who supported our games are game teams and our players. But i want to say special. Thanks to the wonderful game. Developers who chaired in the journey creation with me never accept the world as it appears to be always dare to see it for what it could be. I hope you do the same. So yeah he's left and that is such a big departure. We'll do tell well so. I'm actually wind to make sure Oh an it's interesting that he's leaving now because this is actually just. I like being post. That odds sina is that since he's leaving bilas heard people are concerned about overwatch to which the timing i mean you you could read into that of course occas thereabouts do overwatch to and then they ought to in northern mentioned development if not like within two to three years being complete if not you know next year or so i haven't been following it like i did play a lot of overwrought last year and i enjoyed it you know. I really liked that. I could just jump into a game every ten minutes. Or so as you know multi-player shooter and have fun by a now. That a roach to is you know so. Close to getting kinda launched or at least within the purview of being launched and kaplan leaves blizzard. This is not a good sign grant. That may not give case keys. I mean it appears that. Oh he was vice president of blizzard as well so Wow yeah that is a huge though. It does list Him only as the director of overwatch no other titles on what. I'm reading the switching over okay. Yeah he's been with He's been with lizard since world of warcraft. At least since two thousand four. Oh wow so. Huge departure and for a big name in blizzard to leave is like so so there's been other studios with similar names. I'm thinking right now. A bio air where they had the doctors that founded the company andrew carpet in the main writer leave within the last few years as well as several other producers. The by aware is not nearly as big as a power player as blizzard. right right. oh yeah well. that's that's easier though. Man hopefully will care more about that in the coming weeks. Yeah one thing. I've heard but i don't i couldn't tell you names will kazadi ridiculous but There's clearly there. There's been some word of a departures at blizzard Happening and they have a couple of job openings actually at the moment because of it I have a friend who works for blizzard and is currently applying for one of those. Oh and Yeah well see what what. I'm surprised about or not surprised. But where my thoughts go. Is that when activision bought lizard. Everybody was kind of worried about the the usual situation that ea had going on. Where would by a studio and then within like two years milk it dry and then i end of You know just big it out back in old yeller basically exactly and There was that worry with a activist buying lizard and you know so far despite a handful of really big screw ups You know blizzard has kind of more or less held onto its quality and its staff and kaplan's departure scenes. Like i don't know if it seems like it could be a huge deal and if their other departures and blizzard that are for like huge on. The current projects are working on like this overwatch to and abloh floor. Wonder what's going on back there. Hopefully the games are doing. Yeah let's hope And i know. I think there's some kind of issue. Maybe i'm wrong where there was a some questionable Situations that were happening with Like an hr issue or is that something. I'm completing two You might be complaining Because behind the scenes. I don't know i haven't heard anything i mean. Obviously it's the video game. Industry is notorious for a lot of things going wrong behind the scenes but nothing specific though As far as loser goes in recent years one of the biggest deals was that. I think it was two thousand and nineteen. They made activision blizzard. Made ridiculous pop. Prophets and just laid off three hundred workers. Yeah and this included. Like i think one of the workers i remember 'cause i had a friend who was working at blizzard up the time that was one of the ones laid off. I forget what she doing at the time with them but like there were people that were fired that all of a sudden within two months their position came backup. Wow and they were like wd s and it was activision. Like oh yeah you know. We got to make things affordable and everything and it's like dude you're profits are absolutely astronomical at the hell. Are you talking about so that happened this with. Wwe they just let and it's funny so we'll not funny. It's funny as in like weird or strange or that kind of thing. Not ha ha julia. P people lost their jobs Generally i don't find that type of thing funny the basically What happened was like the reporting sites. Were talking about how. This was the anniversary of Last year when they had something called black wednesday where they let off the most talent that The to be had and then they reported the highest earnings that they had for the year pretty much on the same day not on the same day but like very close to and it was like right before the The corporate call they let all these people go now out as people were covering this. It came in that Seven wrestlers were. Let go on thursday for the same. Exact reasons of the biggest name of those will samoa. Joe they They let him go and he was. He was an announcer and so people were like well. That's kinda surprising. Because oh and they thought that when he left announcing that he would be going and Joining he be joining the damn. We're okay key Would be joining like he. You know start. Fighting people like actually back to wrestling comeback wrestling. And he didn't. It was kind of weird. Yeah right before that corporate called out like that. This seems a running astern. I some corporations to do this and other one that has done that. Same year as the active is yet buzzfeed. Like buzzfeed reported. Asked and they're they're the ones that had like a really ridiculous. Pr statement about it about how they have to you know Make sure they're probably in the future when they're pulling in like rick nicholas numbers and not going anywhere anytime. Okay so. I don't know if you heard about this but Tomorrow oh not tomorrow. I'm sorry friday is The is the launch of mortal kombat. And actually that's going to get into finally use my on. Hbo match trout and It's on hbo max and To celebrate right now you go on and get yourself a shirt and it helps us out. 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Episode 15: Talking Shop

Dear Writer

28:58 min | 8 months ago

Episode 15: Talking Shop

"Hello welcome to the podcast. I'm sarah and i'm actually. We're aspiring collaborative voices sharing a writing journey with the ups the downs and everything. In between whether you're just starting out or a more experienced rider we hope that you'll find this pocus inspiring and thought provoking and his show. Hey everyone welcome back to dear writer. This is episode fifteen and today. It is our talking shop many series. It's the second episode of the miniseries and we're gonna have a bit of a chat about the different writing tools that we use to help us bidder craft. What is your tool of the month slump. Sarah k my tool. The month is the complete handbook of novel. Writing sub hitting everything you need to know our to create Salvia work it's by the way this is off writers digest. Okay is a hefty book. You got to say this. But i can. And is hefty. Yes it is. It is very much Everything you need to know to create and sell your way. They have been very comprehensive with the spoke. I have the third addition here. But i know this. I don't know if there's a which one's the most recent but it's all very relevant tonight dunk. It's probably changed very much except for perhaps some of the interviews so it includes interviews and articles by a number of very prominent authors. Just to name a few stephen king jour-jour voice lee child really really big authors. George martin jody pickles so a lot of big names in this book and so it was really interesting to read. I would say. It's probably book that i would read again simply because it has so much information on it. Don't i'm going to say i basically nivea read nonfiction books again with our. I am slightly changing in that regard on this. I'm finding more interesting nonfiction books but for me. It's very much like mean travel as well like. I don't like to go to saint place twice because i feel like there's just so much to see in the world and the same with books i feel like there's so much to read in the world that i don't wanna read the same thing twice. Yep that this one is definitely with breeding twice. I would say it just has so much information on. Did you read it. Cover to cover. Because it's quite i did. Yes oh. I feel like a book like that. I'd probably read it as i encountered issues. I assume it's like an chapters or something. It isn't chapters as you can read it as you encounter issues because it has things like So it pop one in craft over strong in talks about inspiration. Ideas plot structure characters craft style impact. Twos about the writing persists or rituals and methods revision end Three exploring novel genres. So kurds through all the common germans and for finding cultivating Your work i would say that. This section is perfectly manley based on more traditional publishing pathway mention like i remember reading it in dimension. Some more hybrid publishes so that was quite interesting to read sort of people who do a box with traditional publishing end zone publishing. Yeah they do also took out a little bit about publishing. I think in this house when it was actually published two thousand sixteen so as recent edge though is recent ish. But i would say that south publishing at the sage was still bigger than wash. They talk about bright light. It's probably because you know. This is from very traditional. Sorta mindset in that sage traditional mindset was only really getting into the idea that this thing called self publishing end the in the authors and they still very naive to the antiabortion. I would say traditional. So when i'm just reading like the check the heating on self publishing his dissecting the south publishing contract five key issues authors well marcel publishers. Probably wouldn't have contract to dissect fueling his self publishing house. Is i personally would probably stay clear of anyone that you have to pay. Yeah already gir- that whether any bits that you wanted to highlight or you know kind of spoke to you. Yes oh just. A couple of quotes out of it The really just like pieces that as going Kind of jumped down at me but then like the whole books. Just really good so if you like this in probably like a lot of the book it discussed plotting in passing in this one said if you're plaza your approach to writing a novel is similar to a military campaign. You sit up the logistics and supply lines in advance. And by the time you think is actually touched. A keyboard you have the entire better mcdowell blow by blow pences on the other hand just writing. They strap on a pirate costume. Shout avast in swing into the story with wild abandon. Neither of these approaches is right or wrong. I like that analogy the pirate vast. I liked that too. That's really good. Yeah so i mean you know it goes on to talk about the techniques in south of different ways to ration that sort of thing and in another court sort of spoke to me was on voice. what is voice anyway narrative style character addiction a set of subject matter or singular sitting all of the above pinning. It down can be difficult but we start with this. We primarily experience stories through point of view characters to put it differently. Voice in a novel is not the authors thought so vocabulary but the sum total of what her characters observed sink feel and express in the on unique ways. That's an interesting way of saying it and that is something we really had to be careful about in our teen fiction book. I think to really give our characters voices that we're not our voices. Yeah and it's interesting. Because i feel like people do get quite confused when it comes to voice and trying to define exactly what is because i mean every writer has their own style that that is not the voice Of the book for example. The book that i'm writing the voice and the book is very different from the voice of alcaraz. Like i think voices more character united and how the character views they will. It's a very good read. Just the would highly recommend. It's the complete ten book of novel writing. It looks really good. It looks like one of those good ones. You can have on your desk when you're writing referred to if you either before you start or if you've got something you want to clarify or just get some inspiration for writing waiver. Yeah and actually saying booking inspiration when of the things that i really loved is the in between the chapters. They had quotes from old these different horses and the quotes with really cool and really inspiring. You can't say but it's basically a page with a bunch of different quotes from a variety of different authors. Which is it sort of related to each fiction. Or is it just brandon vogt. Yeah yes sir. The one that just arkan to is quote song plot and structure in so you know this one by ripe bredbury for example remember plot is no more than footprints lift in the snow after your characters have run. By on the way to incredible decisions copes it has always really inspiring quotes like throughout the book and it just circle. I really like that. It's like not only do you get oldest and all about writing but then in between you get these awesome Spy sort of big names now. It sounds really interesting. Having the quotes. And things i like quotes they make you think about things. What was your choice of the mouth right. So when sarah and i fest added one getting back into writing to taking it a lot more seriously and three really looking at i guess crafting it properly in view of either self publishing it or looking at pursuing traditional publishing. I started listening to a podcast that was cold helping writers become authors and it's hosted by km wayland. She's a historical fiction and stick fiction. Author i really enjoyed her podcast one because they're quite short so when i was on the bossa was you know what episode was one journey end so about twenty five minutes. Good so you can get. You wouldn't have to stop halfway. And it's i found really good to a good podcast. Introduce you to the elements of story structure like the inciting events introduce you to outlining planning character ox structuring scenes. All that all that sort of thing it's very at stops like from the beginning. So i feel like if you're just getting into writing or like we were getting back into writing in wanting a bit of a refresher i found it was really really helpful for that And there were a couple particular episodes of her podcast. That have stuck with me. If a sense. And i've actually referred back to it and listen to the episodes again because they were so helpful or read the transcripts right. Yeah so the best. One was a three part series about writing the fess chapter of your book. And it's called ultimate fest. Check to check list and this obviously three pots and pot one was about the rate is pot two was writing the opening scene and pat three was introducing the story and i found it. I've basically directionally used her advice. When we fest rewriting the opening scenes of our novel and then eventually the rewriting the entire chapter or putting in an entirely new fess chapters to try and hook the raiders better. Yep so. I drove some quotes. Cushy has a transcript so we can read. Read along. Read it separately. Yeah so the the quote for the fest bet which is all about cooking rate. Goes your stories fest. Chapter is one of the most important pieces of your story. Not only does it. Provide the foundation for a solid story form to come. It is also your fast and only chance to pick rate curiosity and suck them in which i feel very same weiss. This chip does and even your first few sentences into because when you think about is visually pitching to a traditional publisher. You'll i chapter is run that you're going to be pitching mice of the time so it's so important for that fist win to hook. The agents will publishes end. And yeah i mean not the then you've got to keep Entertain so the rest of the book has to follow through but debt. First introduction is just very wouldn't really has to be really really strong. And what i do like about this little series of episodes about the fess chapter as she gets into rhodesia about you know you have to have the first sentence to hook the reader and then obviously you have to write the first paragraph flesh sane and how to go about doing that and she says quote from the sikkim pas about writing the opening scene. She says if you're going to provide as with all kinds of juicy hooks and your opening line opening situation and characteristic moment then you have to have a place to put them in your stories opening saint as the box that holds all those goodies. Which i quite like a little box of chocolates with all these things in it to try and unpack forrest. Gump fish but i have this book monk actually the nature of it here. So it's novels sweets. All people with healthy literary at times like us and i love the idea of was being sweets and the first paragraph being like your fish production to sort of a sumptuous buffet. Yeah i agree and you the the third part was introducing the story and i quite like a quote that comes from that which she says personally. I have always found that writing. A fest draft gets easier olmos chapter by chapter. By the time. I get to the act. The book practically writes itself. This is because when you do your job right and those early chip is you will already have accomplished meticulous work sitting up your dominos. I definitely you know vibe with that quite well because i find it does get easier especially when you're a planner and you put an all of this wet considered up your story and then by the time you know you sit up well and then by the time you get to the kind of ending things that just full into place on their own and there's not as much work. At least i found the entertain fiction books anyways. Yeah i think sitting up the story is definitely like she says super important thing. I'm kind of torn on idea. Because i feel like this didn't things that if feels like i'm more of a and who goes back and and those sort of surprises and thinks of them as i go along the journey will be like. Aw would be really cool if this happened. But then i have to it up later so yeah i go back and change the fist chapters but heading those sort of easter eggs to become something that Gonna develop into a major point later on is certainly helps the rest of the story move forward and is really important to to have them in there at least by the end of your by the time he finished with it. Whatever way you do it to have those things in there is super important. Even if it's just like wotton a one line mentioned. I found this especially writing the psychological thriller sort of mystery they have. I'm trying to think of the ten. But there's certain things that you've got fulfil when when you're writing one of these stories and might talk about it a bit more. Because i'm sure at some point. I will talk about this book in forecasts but yeah this certain things that you need to have and i can't remember what the exact him is cold. The villain always has something After it might not even necessarily be pivotal to the pauline. But it's just the thing that kind of starts at rolling and it could be like something small or it could be something like they. Want the code for nuclear weaponry wholesomely. But it's always going to be like mentioned or alluded to in those first few chapters so that later on it o be revealed what the thing derives story forward really annoyed. Everyone's going to be like. Is this sarah jade's anyway so the other episode. Who's that i found very very useful was entitled how to ace the first at in your sequel. Which is something. I actually struggled to find a lot of information about 'cause you learn a lot about how to sit up you know character and everything and the same for your opening scene in your book but when you get to a sequel works already been done for you so i always found a bit confusing. How do you have all of this information still there without being boring and repetitive so she says on sequels that sequels has special on one hand they still must follow oldest son basic rules of good storytelling but on the other hand. They both simplify and complicate. Various aspects of that approach while the burden of introducing important elements like characters sitting conflicts often lessened the stakes will be raised bringing greater depth to the existing story without allowing it to become repetitious nowhere. Is that more important challenging the fest of your sequel and we had a bit of trouble with the fast act of our sequel as well in the end. Yeah yeah the exactly what she says the balance of introducing characters and story but not doing it in a way that boys everyone and it's still really exciting. I think in the end we ended up changing which putting a new chapter which i think helps a little bit. Yeah i did think even when writing the stock said one it feels writing. Sekou stop feels like a very fine balance. Feel like you must have to be magician in the way that you have to provide a very exciting and enticing fists hooked to the story as you would with any of story but then you also have to provide the information to make it make sense from the last book but not so much that you boy. You're reading he's already read. The law spoke enough that new rita who might not have read the last vote on. What's going on. And so you need to give the illusion that you're not rehash old information but it sort of sums it up very in a very brief paragraph Two and i think ashley you did this really well with the second book with a heavy conversation shortly after things sort of calmed down because it's quite a high pace beginning books to be but it's the sort of short conversation where it feels very natural. It gives the rita the sort of background story. And i thought it was worked very well as it struggled with it in in the book as well. It's quite hard to do when you've got a guy pace seen. I think it works on the fed book though the opening in the end. Yeah i think. When i revised it i managed to bring it home it. It's a bit more. How much helps to know yes. Adding sequels a hard to find balance. And i found her podcast on it very very helpful very helpful had some good ideas about those things and just so we come back to the term. I have looked it up. It's a macguffin. Was the word i was looking for and crime and mystery and thriller the antagonists will. The villain has macguffin nick. After anyways could not remember the word ended up. That was what i was talking about. We got there in the end. Should we move onto what we're reading. Yeah do you wanna go there. Since i've been talking for a bit you can go for it. I both reading salko girls by clearly ground. Drink look at my notes here. Yes another young notebook. It's probably more of a horror thriller. I would say this one and has been a big hit in the last few years as book about three teenage girls battling some evil forces and recovering from loss and simply trying to survive. But she's very descriptive with seen sitting. And i think she clearly ground paint some very dock and wonderful pictures with her words. I quite admire that style. I have also read. It and i would agree. I enjoyed it a lot. She the world that she paints quite vivid. And very kind of doc to stubbing. I really likes how she it. Very monstrous yeah. Yeah but it's almost like a. It's like a monstrous world. That the way that she uses the words is quite useful in the way she strings him to give like. It's it sounds really contradictory but the terms that she uses. It feels quite poetic. She uses wizards. yeah so i found that quite fascinating. And the other thing that i thought was quite interesting was just defining the difference between sarah's and horrors because may rid quite a few religious end sort of suspense books and the young adults sort of area. And it's not very often that you find a good horror and the young adult or at least i haven't really read many of them so it was quite interesting to go into it. Not like i kind of knew that it was doc storyline but didn't really know that i was reading a horror when i i i've been to an in i kind of got into it and also i know this is a far and foul quite clear to me. The differences not set. It was really gory. Oil like really disturbing and the sins is just. I think it's because of the demonic kind of influences in the monsters in it that it felt more of a horror than the thrilla but it makes think that maybe one day in the future. I might try my hand at a horror as well because it's quite good. They quite enjoyed uses. Its multi perspective as well right. Yes yeah and she does. Use the whole dramatic irony quite well. 'cause you know a lot about canada which is quite cater the plot and the other characters d'arno which i quite like and the whole time. We like oh no oh no ono. Don't go don't go. It's a it's so obvious even as one characters trying to warn the one it completely. I quite yeah. That's that's quite a good. I enjoyed it. You still relate with the characters like slightly daca to though. I think so. She's very likable. Regardless yeah yeah. It's quite good. So what's your for. Or what have you been reading. Rover my pick. This month is the wettest murder. By anthony horowitz as a teenager. I was obsessed with anthony horowitz. I loved his books. In particular. The alex rider series huge fan and probably formed the basis for my love of reading as a teenager. Hem along with them. John marsden who we briefly talked about before and obviously jk rowling. And when i found out what did it probably two years ago. I realized that he was writing adult fiction and i was incredibly excited anyway so he writes a few sherlock holmes novels. I think i've mentioned one of them in in a blog post before and i've read that i thoroughly enjoyed about. This book is the first in a series of adults meta mysteries I've read the second one. The sentences death brandon saad unless can one because it was going to display shelf at the library. And i was like. Ooh and horowitz but yeah sorry. Continue on here. Here's a really interesting in this book. Anyways he uses it quite interesting structure where it is from the perspective of an author whose shadowing police detective in the novel that you read. Is the novel that the author has written to tell the story which i quite like kind of reminiscent sort of like a sherlock holmes watson kind of relationship. It's quite funny though in some ways. It's a little bit confusing because it makes you feel like you give the book and you're like did this actually happen because it is cold tony as well. And it's like himself so then you're hang on a second. I think i'm very naive though. So so i tried to look it up. I'm not entirely sure. I did read the comments and then i was like maybe it did happen or at least an element of the first based on some sort of based in real life. Maybe i tried to find out by cutting tried to find out. I can't remember what i read though now. We're to the but he didn't really had me wandering by told the story. Yes whether it was real or not real either way. It's it was really really good book. I enjoyed it. And i'm very happy to hear that there is a sequel or and run these deaths death which i will definitely be retained construed the first one they kind of like the very story so you can read the out of voter to be honest recently. I have been struggling to find books that i enjoy and on struggle to finish even some of my favorite authors. I've been struggling to get into the books. But that's when i i read a and a day maybe two days which is unusual Last time i did that was before. The fest lockdown in march so. It's been a while. Since i found one that i've really really really enjoyed and either hasn't been struggle to get into or struggled to finish at said. That's what attracts me to the young novelist because they i quite easy reads in the nba arch quite big topics with self development and self discovery. Which is why. I like young novelist but yeah sitting mysteries and stuff like that. In historical fiction rarely keen on as well but yeah. I think his folks are pretty good. They're also fairly easy rates. Yes i think that helps helps get you into the story bit differently so you have to try and find another book to read now anyways. Did you have anything else you wanted to talk about. Nope i think. I'm all good but you know. I think we can probably around this up so if you want to get hold of us. You can't do that on medicine. Creations dot com or on instagram or facebook at Creations we asked to looking for people fall out of the spotlight. Got a few more slots later in the answer if you would like to be Than you can go to send creations dot com and on the drop down menu of the podcast. You'll find Be featured on the right in so click on net infiltrate form. We'd love to have you on in heavy To darnley thing is that you must have a work in progress or a finished book. One too long as you're keen about writing wanting to talk about your journey then we aquino talking to you. Yes yes so. Please apply if you're thinking about it. We're very friendly clear so next time on either it's going to be our main podcast again. Which is exciting. And we're gonna be talking about the stumbling blocks we in writing a novel all the way from the piscotty three that people struggle with to all of the things that sarah and i find the most challenging. Yes so if you like the podcast in please write and review on april parkas or subscribe on. What if puck catcher. You enjoy using and yeah and we will see you next time. Nick speak with our main forecast the good writing and heavy writing everyone.

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TAMT Episode 58: Focusrite ISA 428 MK II

The Art of Music Tech Podcast

23:42 min | 6 months ago

TAMT Episode 58: Focusrite ISA 428 MK II

"But one of one Production, Studio located in Fort Lee New Jersey, this is the art of Music Tech. This episode was sponsored by Focus, right growth. Now, here's your host fail on and Dennis Let's go, let's go. Let's go and welcome to the art and Music Tech podcast. I'm your host Phelan over. There is my co-host. Dennis some guys. All right. We're an hour one of one Production Studio in beautiful Fort. Lee New Jersey just over the bridge from New York City and today we're here to talk about the focusrite 428 MK2. Let's go, let's go. This episode sponsored by Focus a pro. So this is a special episode and we can talk about this. This bad boy right here, partnering up with the pro division of you know what we have as far as interface wage to get into that. We have a Focus, right? Claire series which soon will be upgrading that to a redneck which is in the focusrite Pro division wage Claret series is the highest series and they're prosumer division. But now, you know, upping it because now we have our own studio and we're using a lot more of the focusrite pro devices. And you know, we we've taught many times from home, take the Scarlet stuff and I'll battle to the top two things like this. The 4 to 8, which is a 4 channel. Pre-amp off with the classic focusrite, 110 is a pre amps. This bad boy is dope, and it's a newer version because now you can add digital to it, it has dying. Take capabilities, a s like as like three different digital capabilities. If you log By the digital card which we don't have a card in this unit yet. But once we get the redneck, yeah, we're may switch to digital more like analog still. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm a cabling, you know, especially, you know, we don't have a large recording space. So, you know, things like that, that, that really sticks out and I mean, we already have the Dual, I say, the two actually. Yeah, we have two of the Dual. So this brings our preamp, count to yep. Yep. Adding in this additional Ford. And we're super happy with it of course I mean because we already have for Thursday but now you know to be able to go digitally in the future and be able to grow with a unit. Like this means a lot, you suck. Cuz we're so passionate about audio and getting getting the the best sound possible for for our clients things like this really helped out the workflow for what we do is audio engineers and producers, and podcasters, and Anything Audio, everything audio. We've already gone through this thing. It's a real staple of the studio, really? I mean we you know do we been doing drum tracks with our friends, Swiss Kriss and Jerome Jennings of, you know? And now we're doing podcasts, actually you're here at right now to go through this but not through this but I mean it's the same sound, same sub with this reduce produces and you know, we get no complain. Littler from our clients. We really can. This is yeah, super high-quality sonically, I ain't go up to like 192 age. I mean, just all the, you know, all all the bells and whistles that you would expect, especially from focusrite Pro Division and that just, you know, it's just a step of birth of even the. But you know, of course, the scarlet and, you know, Claritin stuff that we already have. So I mean it's a 500 series, red, preamps wage, but they're not as I guess visible and popular as I say range but I say range is taken from there. I mean this is the iconic Council and they both attend own. No yes yes. And this is a piece of that console that kept going even though they it stopped with the with the boards they did finally, you know, got to create off. Of those. I mean, little bit of history on this the Rupert. Neve and George Martin started focused right years ago, like thirty years ago, thirty plus years ago. So technically this was I guess invented an engineer by Rupert Neve himself. Yes, yes, yes, a classic sound this different from these, you know, is she still has its own its own field because yeah you did it with George Martin. You know, of the bear are Studios and you know, are, which is featured on many of the products. So, you know, you definitely feel George Martin's hands on it with the, you know, the air reference a lot to let's get it should summarize the tech stuff on it. Okay, what's on the front in the front we got, I guess I don't I don't I don't see it but I I remember it. I guess you have wage again up and you have a trim knob for to tailor your input? Yeah I mean all the the classic strip stuff Hi. Pass filter. Yeah. Hi pass filter which goes from 16 to 4:20 Hertz. Yeah you can tweak that through your taste so you don't have no Boomer snow. Even the the cooler part is is that it even gives you advanced stuff like a phase flip Facebook. Of course you know the options for phantom power and it turned to Mike doors yourself. Oh yeah, cuz we won't be able to hear you. Wow, that's a classic classic auto club steak. Yeah. But yeah, just wanted to go along with what I'm looking at. But yeah, all the classic stuff and then, you can also choose your input switch off our microphone line or in the microphone line or instrument. Yes, with yeah, which the instrument inputs quarter in Georgia. Puts our own the front which makes it super easy to, you know, adding any you know, guitar bass or and just go straight into this powerful box off and you also have inserts as well. So say you want a bad idea? Yeah front of me you want to add a compressor to this YouTube app and you know go in and out and steal you know come through this and insert for actually as a matter of fact. Yeah. My favorite feature is impotence? Yeah. Yeah. Oh man. Wage so many sounds. I get. Why you say that? Yeah, I know then you go to I say 10 then medium and high and I mean from what I hear from them recordings and then in Reading like manuals and what other people say yeah with impotence you you get with four switches. We have four different sounds dead. Like having equalizer without having equalizer using this unit. So higher the impotence more high frequencies. You get in your recording and if your Source bounce, you know, too bright already. You just switch it to low-impedance and it'll kind of roll off high frequencies, and it'll sound softer and smoother. Mhm, or vice versa. See if you're missing a top-end, so-called I mean, are coming from, from high impedance that you boost all the frequent, the Shelf, higher frequency shelf. That gives you off there. Yeah. And actually they putting air on scarlet, and Claire red, now, and on all of the interfaces. But This is analog are and analog path. You can get so many sounds with one preamp off by giving you high pass filter, impotence, Plenty of gain, there is a 30 and 60 DB switch. So if you combine all of them, you get a TB of gain in total, which is a lot. I don't know what, that's what forcing it is. Giving you options or whatever you. Yeah. You get plenty of gain and surprisingly I get that cuz there's no pad on here. So it's like, there's no power. Yeah. Surprisingly where you can add more but yeah. Yeah, you can start super low and the trim works. I think you can get 20gb just using trims. Yeah. So you don't even have to touch gain. Yeah. You just work with trim if you're a sorcerer like super low. Yeah. Because the game isn't more of a notch thing to instead of like a smooth so they use that smoothing out with the trim, you know? It's yeah, it's more. Of a doubt thing for the game, for this unit. But yeah, the the options and which, you know, I've never needed to use the pad now that I think about it and said off with with Focus writers, never Yeah, not loud enough. If any, I mean, it's never too low. So you know, or too hot. And I would need to do that so now and out. So it's always a great start off, really, and you microphone or anything, you plug it in. There's plenty of room and plenty of options to work with. Yeah, yeah, it also comes with, you know, some Focus, right software. That gives you access to some of the, even the is a EQ settings, but that's more on the digital. This is all analog baby channel but you can't get into that as well. Because, you know, they give you the option of that and give you a links to that which focus on life is great with that. Whenever you buy something from them, you'll always get a pretty cool plugin that free software. Yeah, some kind of software that makes the product that you bought Even better, you know that they just, you know, that you can work with and and steal. Like, this is great, man, this is something that enhances it even more money. Yeah, you know, the only thing we haven't really gotten to check out was the, you know, the digital part where like we said, we don't have a studio wired for that. The other cool thing that they had upgraded on the 428 MK2 is the power because they had to make room for the digital card which also helps the the overall chassis to not overheat which is great for us because we already got two other and start over. Are you doing it? And we have yet to have a problem with this overheating, or this is acting funny and side note, we keep them on edge. The time never that too. They are. Yeah, yeah, we keep these babies, nice and heat it up. So that is really killing. We've had, you know, hours of drum tracking. And this thing was just right on the money and not overheating and overheating of the stuff around it or anything. So they did a great job with that as well and knowing that they upgraded it and you know it's just it does keep this unit cool for so much power that this two rack, you know, to Rackspace unit. I mean, that's usually like you got to leave like a space between something like this. Like, like back in the day, like, doing racks for tours, or, you know, it was like, okay. Yeah, put spaces between, cuz we gotta put a fan in the back just gonna, you know, so long. This definitely helps with that. So I mean, I would imagine it's just what are all, you know, be great for touring as well because of that situation of not overheating and it's technically yeah, this is a, a really bomb. They have the same track unit but with eight, three amps. Yeah, yeah, great thing to have, you have eight the eight to eight, yeah, eight Council grade premiums that you know, and with with the digital carnivore, you can just get a CAT 5, right? And just connect those analog preamps into your red, net. Yeah, without running more science. All the Excel arcade and I will yes, from the source of the, the makes life so much easier. Yeah. The other day. Yeah. And just internationally just, you know, set it up. So, yeah, I mean, the other thing I also like I love a good meter and they have large meter all in here that you, you know, you can see where you're at, actually accurately, see where your game is at on all of your all of your, your inputs, I think isn't inputs. No. Yeah, well yeah, just your inputs. You could see. And that's all you really. You need to know that when it's coming in with how hard you hit and how hard are you hitting so long? Yeah. We already knew what we were going to get hit. Yeah, this is not. This is not new. Yeah, we have the Dual already and it's, you know, being able to expand with the floor with, you know, with an additional four, to the 4 we already had. And now you know, and when we finally upgrade to written it, I mean we're we're already there. We just got to get a card slot in here and be able to record it, you know, anywhere in our space. You know. Being very flexible. Yeah. That's the name of the game being flexible. I mean, being trying to go in light? Yeah. To Iraq to two space rack unit and having four channels. I mean, she can take it on the road doing our gigs. Yeah, like live recordings and stuff. Yeah. This this is a definitely a my new channel for money Channel 4 any chance? Exactly. And why not? I mean honestly it's not it's not I mean it's heavy because it's it's analog and must be happy but it's not, you know, it's not that that heavy and yeah, agreed, it's not. I think what you get for $1,800 off as, I mean, it's an investment but you get a professional audio quality in the reason why you go through analog just to get that big sound you unfortunately you won't get that going through just built-in preamp on your interface on your hundred-dollar interface. That's that won't get you anywhere. Yeah I mean I mean if they've that this is for people that make money off of them. Yes yeah this is off of doing audio production definitely hence the words focusrite pro-israel business like dead. This is may not be a piece of church gear. Exactly. But I mean you know depends but yeah this this is a higher-end piece of gear down and I mean but as we know it just makes our life easier. You know? I mean I can tell when the recording sounds thin I can tell that they're just missing great Preamble between and if you ever wonder why your recording sound thin and small and you know, lifeless Here's the answer for inputs. I mean for inputs is enough to record drums to Yeah. Now, that's why we're happy to throw. Two channels is great, but yet Having Eight in the studio here is. Yeah. So I mean, we had six people. Yeah, there's room exactly. I mean, this also helps a lot. Yeah. Yeah. From music to podcasts, to just everything we offer audio wise is going through this. So yeah, anything else there a solar version of this, right? They have solo, they had a lunch box is off. Today is a 2, which is to channel 428. Like, yeah. So low is what they call ya and yeah. In a channel, which MK2 was just upgraded version with the digital car? Yeah, digital card and upgraded power source. So yeah, this is the way to go. I mean if you like wage Other brands great. I feel I still feel like focusrite putting on great product that reasonable price. Yeah, hungry to get to channel pre-amp for less than $1,000. You can get a clone. But not the real thing to get an eve or a manly. I don't know. Higher grade. Three amps you have to spend $1,500 a couple of thousand dollars just to get good to to, to inputs. Yeah. Or more. If you got more money, you can spend more money, but Focus, right? Yeah, Focus try wage. They do incredible job with digital and analog audio combining them together, which in today's world and recording. That's, that's what you say. You need to use hybrid, you can rely on analog only, Because everything going to, you're going to listen digital anyway, so but you still need to go through analog. I wish they make councils. Hopefully one day they come back and, you know, do another race. Yeah. But this is the best of both worlds with digital and analog right here. So, you know, we're seeing hybrids and so, a lot of Highbridge Studio owners out there, you know? Even if you're your own solo Studio, you know, you're doing your stuff out of This is worth checking out, is definitely worth check it out. 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Andy Weirs Project Hail Mary

Inquiring Minds

1:11:00 hr | 5 months ago

Andy Weirs Project Hail Mary

"Who and betty and the nam season bills. A joes and janes will find the study of science a richer more rewarding life. Welcome to enquiring mind. I'm enjoying this contest. This is a podcast that explores the space. Science and society collide. We wanna find. It was true what's left to discover and why it matters what we have another special episode for you featuring adam bristol. Hey androids good to be here again. And one of our favorite authors someone. We've heard on the podcast before andy. We're yeah handy. we're one of the. I think one of the best active Science fiction writers known to many as the author of a novel called the martian. Which would then became a blockbuster. Film with matt damon. He also wrote a novel called artists and numerous short stories. And he's out with a new one called project. Hail mary so i got to chat with the andy where which is awesome. Superfund super interesting guy. We got to talk about really a lot of the nitty gritty of the book. And really what went into it. It's quite an expansive book goes beyond you know single planet or a single moonbase. I haven't read the book yet. I'm super excited to read it knowing how much you liked it. I saw multiple times where you stayed up. Well painful that. I can't talk to you about the book back. Yeah you sleep for but critical to not talk to you about the book you'll learn the interview. There's so many ups and downs and twists and turns and unexpected plot changes. That you really don't want spoilers. So this interview actually gets cut in half. Because i admonish our listeners. Spoiler alert coming. Now turn off the podcast. Go read the book. Come back later because after that point andy and i decide okay. Let's get down to brass tacks and let's talk about certain things that happened. Why he made those choices in again because he's more of a hard science fiction writer does a ton of research to figure out. What plausible what's logically conclusive from a prior that. I wanna understand his thinking and if you haven't read the book just please do yourself a favor. Don't listen to that part of the podcast watching you come kind of talk about little parts of the book and how you excited excited you were about. It reminded me of my own reactions to one of my favorite books. Neil stevenson seven. Eve's where all of a sudden halfway through the book like things completely shift and the book is about something completely different and it felt like there were a number of times just from me as an outsider. Watching a reactions where you would come to me and be like this book is not at all about what i thought. It was going to be a andy. We're welcome to enquiring minds. Hey thanks for having me. I'm incredibly excited. I finished your book over the weekend. And i gotta tell you it was. It was awesome. It was awesome. I was a big fan of the martian a big fan of artists. This one is expansive. it's interstellar it. It approaches some topics that i don't think you've approach before and i wanna get into some of those but i really really extraordinary on the one hand. I guess i have to ask you. Most of my listeners will know of you of course from the hit novel and then the blockbuster movie the martian i have to ask you. If you've been following all the developments with the perseverance probe and all the incredible developments going on in real world space exploration. Oh of course. I mean i've been like i've been just obsessed with percy and with ingenuity. Yeah yeah no. It's amazing and one thing is. I'm particularly impressed by ingenuity camera. Because we keep seeing photos that it sends back and it's oftentimes photos of the ground and you can see ingenuity shadow and the bleeds on the chateau are completely crisp and clear. Propeller those things are spinning at. Like i think twenty five hundred. Rpm wasn't something like forty revolutions per second thing and to have that with no rolling shutter effect with no blurring nothing like that. Wow that is an impressive camera. But you know they don't send the cheap cameras tomorrow's right no no it. Is you know the the landing was just watching. That live on pins and needles again. The clarity of speaking to this camera of thinking could gravy. I'm looking at the surface of mars snow. And we're about to land on it in real time here or will of course with the transmission delay but still it is just mind boggling and in a way you are credited with greatly increasing public enthusiasm for mars and mars exploration. How's it feel now. Six seven years into that. Well it feels great. I'm glad that i could help get people enthusiastic. But it's not like i'm responsible for people being interested in mars. I'm just. I'm really thinking myself as more as one of one of the people who benefited from the public interest in mars. I don't think it went the other direction and nobody cared about mars until my book came out. Well it's always captured our fascination you know for sure for sure and then so. The new book is called project hail mary. I'm trying to piece together. Some public comments of yours over the years. And i believe that this book has actually been in the works for several years. Probably five or six years. And tell me if i'm accurate on that and there's a reason why i'm asking because coming out in twenty twenty one where we're dealing with a human now corona novel coronavirus pandemic. There feels like there's some sort of topical overlap at least an interstellar pandemic in project hail. Marys how long have you been working on it. And how much is the the the. The current pandemic influenced your thinking. Well yeah okay. So i'll answer the second question i. The pandemic didn't affect the writing of the novel at all. Because i finished the first. I finished the whole thing before the pandemic happened so i was done with the novel in january of twenty twenty so it was just. It took a really long time to get on shelves because the pandemic got in the way of the production pipeline. But yeah. i mean at the time that i completed the novel the there we were getting some news reports of like. Oh there's a disease in wuhan china and that's about that's about it and so definitely. The pandemic didn't have any effect on the writing. Because it hadn't happened yet. And yes you're right in that it's been indirectly in development for years and years although i only spent about a year year and a half writing it. A lot of the ideas and concepts for the door came from Other story ideas. I had had and then abandoned. So between the martian and artemis martian was i thought cartoonists was my second between them. I was working on a completely unrelated book called jack z. H. e. k. And it was going to be this epic space opera soft sifi aliens faster than light travel telepathy stuff but as i got into writing it i got a contract with random house and everything like that as i worked on it as i got to writing it i got about a year into it and i about seventy thousand words for reference the martians. About one hundred thousand words. And i realized that it sucked. And it was. Irredeemable was just too complicated to epic in scale. I kind of tried to be george martin and failed like there was like all these overlapping plot threads and characters and stuff like that but instead of being interest an interesting tapestry. Like game of thrones. It was just a muddled confusing mess without any particularly interesting stuff going on and it was going really really slowly and i couldn't. I couldn't strip it down or calm down or anything to make it more reasonable so i i asked my editor if i could have another year and then hit the big red reset button and write a completely different book. Which is what i did. And i'm glad i did. But there were a couple of elements to jack that i thought were really awesome and those those became hail mary which is a completely different book than jack. The two main things one of them is a spacecraft fuel that can store energy as mass which means like a very small amount of fuel can power your spacecraft like he can do the propulsion for an enormous amount of energy that way. And so in jacques. It was called black matter and it was this technology. But i decided to make it a life form in project. Hail mary and it's just you know single celled organism and then things fell together to make that a good cohesive potline and then also there was one character in jack that i really liked and really and she wasn't even the main character but she was a character that i really liked and she was a A woman who has like given tremendous amounts of secret authority like all powerful in a way and she used it like ruthlessly and relentlessly toward solving these problems and so that became the character of strat so those are elements. I soul and then. I had for a long time thought. Wouldn't it be needed. You know a story where i guy just wakes up with amnesia spaceship and that was just like an idea i had and so these things came together and they fit well together. Well that's actually a perfect segue. I wanna talk about strat because of course knowing that at least cognitive back story or the sort of you know the the authors backstory of just coming to that character she is incredibly important part certainly in the first half of the book she kind of makes another appearance When you learn more about Some of her methods later in the book. But she's not capricious right. She's not arbitrary. I mean she's arbitrary but she is thoughtful she is logical and she's really basically. Gfd kind of person in an unprecedented time of a global emergency. Yeah she's basically got more authority than any human being has ever had and nobody really knows that except for the people who are important enough to do what she says and she is. Is the right person for this job. You you probably wouldn't like to hang out with her. But she's the right person for this job and she is relentless and extremely logical about what she has to do and she. Her job is literally to save every human being alive. I mean like if she fails at her goal than humanity will end and so any sacrifices worth it to pay. What's a very clarifying mission. Having the lot of the extraneous stuff just falls away when you have this very singular epic goal. When there's truly nothing more important than what you're working on you can. You can cut some of the morality stuff go but let's talk a second. We haven't talked about why she's been in endowed with such powers well. The premise of the story is basically. There's a single celled organism that the end of naming astra phase and the astra phase life cycle is basically lives on the surface of stars. It's like an algae in the ocean but instead of the ocean on stars and it collects energy from the star plenty to be had there and then uses that energy to migrate from the star attuned a nearby planet in orbit around that star so get the the elements that needs to reproduce so. It'll migrate from the star to like planet nearby that has carbon dioxide then at all gather enough of that to breed. It'll make a copy of itself it'll might toast just with my toes. And then it will return to the star. And that's the life cycle and also it will spoor out to other stars so it will you know. Go off in all directions and some you know one out of every hundred gazillion of them will happen to find another star. So it's exactly like mold spores out and you know some percentage of it will manage to seed and so in order to travel through space. It needs to store enormous amount of energy and be really efficient about it and so it stores that as mass and then it releases that massive mass converts it into light and uses that light as propulsion which you can do now. I mean that's that's real physics and then so that's how it flies around in space. The whole pastor phase just settled organism. And it's only like twenty pico meters across something like that and but it can travel from one star to another even. It is somewhat taking advantage of time. Dilation too so when it's when it's traveling when it's boring out they can live longer than you might have expected in deep space. Because they're going so close to the speed of light the amount of time that they experience on their way from one star to another as much shorter anyway. This stuff Some of this astro page Infects our son and and it's growing out of control. It's like an algae bloom on the sun and it's so much of the sun has astra phase in it that it starting to lose. Its luminance the planet. Earth is not getting as much energy from the sun as it always has and in about thirty years they calculate won't be enough energy to support life on earth or at least not large complicated life the food chains collapse and literally. Everything will die so they have to find a solution and so the bad news is astros. Asia's eating your son. The good news is her face. Makes a great spacecraft fuel. You can collect it. Breed it up and farms and use that to power a spaceship which is handy because they look around and all. The stars in our local neighborhood of the galaxy are also dimming astra face has infected all of them except one the star towel city which is about twelve light years away right next door in the grand scheme of things. I mean the milky way. One hundred thousand light years across so tell city is not affected. It's not dimming it's it doesn't seem to be having any problems at all with astra fish and so as a last ditch effort aka. Mary pass they make a spacecraft that is powered by astra phase and it's a truly interstellar craft and they want to send people to tell city in the hope that they can find out what it is about tall city that makes it immune to astra phase and then somehow implement that solution back on earth. And that's the premise. I mean that is incredible synopsis. You have probably taken us. Maybe a third of the way through the book on just battle alone. So i'm telling you in the sense that this podcast will will will try to reserve any spoiler alert for the very end. Because this as i read it. There's so many twists and turn unexpected events and again in typical. Andy where style has a degree of scientific accuracy and or at least plausibility in technical details to make it incredibly fun and so what you just described. There's a lot to unpack there. The first thing to unpack there is when we learn about astro fish astroturf age of course human scientists are able to. I collect a little bit of astra footage from a probe and they give it to some scientists and they're very interested in what the heck are these little things because they. I see them only black specks on the camera probe if i remember right well the first the first thing they see is this line of infrared report in between the sun in venus and they can't figure out what that is and that's basically the exhaust trails of astra fish yup yup at a particular frequency and so they collect them and the first i'd say really interesting thought. Concept are the concepts of panspermia and of course what is the nature of life what is required for life and what is not and we talked about. You know one of the main characters. His name is riling. Grace was a student of biology and he supported the possibility that life throughout the universe doesn't necessarily require liquid water. that is out of his. That was his thesis. And we come to learn. I hope this isn't saying too much that he was proven wrong. An astroturf age shares many features organ elle's dna things that look like life on earth so maybe talk a little bit about how much work you did thinking about. Panspermia this idea that life is somehow been seated around the galaxy by some process or something and yet so you adopted that tacit assumption and then the implications that come from that possibility. Yeah the idea behind. The panspermia was really because i just felt like the plot was a little too implausible without it. So i'm one of those people. I i'm a nit-picker when it comes to science and stories and stuff like that in my own stories. I'm particularly strict. And so one thing as i worked on the story. It really bothered me that there were like there are multiple different planets although within a few years of each other all within like twenty twenty eight years that all have complete biospheres and so i asked myself like you know if life is really am i saying life is really this likely you know. Is it really this likely that a planet will develop life. Because if so i mean i have made it within my fictional setting so incredibly likely that life will evolve naturally that it becomes questionable. Why there's only one planet in our solar system that has life right it becomes it becomes so common that it becomes improbable that out of all the bodies in our solar system the moons planets everything that we're the only one that has any life and so i'm like i don't like that i i also don't think it's plausible. That life would be that likely i. It's it's incredibly rare and very unlikely. So i decided okay the only explanation i have for. Why all these in their three three at least three three that. We know of functional biospheres all within such a short distance is out. There was only one life only evolved once and then it spread out and all these biospheres are actually. They all have a common ancestry. And so that's what i decided. Now astra phase a life form that travels from one star to another so it seemed reasonable to me to assume okay before astor fish some ancestor of astra phase some equivalent of a dinosaur astra phase. Whatever was a you know another different single celled organism that could spread out you know that could travel interstellar distances As part of its life cycle and that ended up occasionally running into a planet where it could just barely survive in reproduce on its own and so that is what led to life existing on the other two places so we've got three biospheres but only one genus and that made things so much easier for me. Because i didn't have to say. Oh what an alarming coincidence of all separately in these things. Most readers wouldn't have called me out on that. But i feel better having a fermi of and also the sense. I like to get way deep down into the details in the nitty gritty. I wanted to know what the biology of these life forms was like. I wanted a puzzle explanation for okay. How does astra fish work. What's going on inside that cell. How does it reproduce. I was this happen. How does that happen. And i just wow. This would be a whole lot easier if if there was a pence vermont event because then i say it has dna it has made. A contract has all the hills and cellular machinery that we have in our ourselves and subject to evolution absolutely well any life whether or not related to us would be subject to evolution. And just i guess. I want to remind our readers our readers listeners. I want to remind our listeners that our viewers our viewers were multimedia right now but tau steady exists it truly is a start exists and importantly and i'm i'm absolutely sure not just that the proximity was what intrigued you. But the possibility of habitable planets there are planets there that have really picked the interest of exo biologists as potential habitable zones. Right and one of them One of those planets is featured in the story all the for lack of better term heavenly bodies all of the stars and planets and everything in this book are real planets that really exist. And i stuck to all the information that is known about them so for the x o obviously things in our solar system we know a whole lot but for the exo planets that i mentioned bring up the i do maintain all the information that we know as of the writing so like their mass their orbital characteristics stuff like that yeah and in one plant in particular shows up eridani and we get to learn a lot more about eridani. Yeah the the star is forty eridani. The planet that you're talking about is actually named in the real world is named forty eridani. Be and it's a it's an ex. Oh planet it's it's real planet. It's about eight times massive earth. It's in orbit around the star forty eridani and Yeah it's in a very tight close orbit in fact but also the object of interest from the seti institute here in the bay area even frank. Drake of the drake's equate of course was interested in this part of the system. And these heavenly bodies folks and yeah exactly so you weren't you weren't just picking things out of thin air but rather there's a whole literature whole you know kind of well. There is some overlap. I mean i. I did kind of pick them out. Thinner and our animals but basically i didn't select these because other people had selected to them that we all selected them for similar reasons. Forty eridani antao. City are both types of stars that we call solar analogs. These are stars that are very very similar to rise son and i figured solar analogs would be the places that since we have a panspermia event that and just a minor spoiler within the fiction of the book life evolved originally tau steady and earth is one of the places that it seated and it see earth like four billion years ago but so sense life evolved at tell city it evolved kind of it evolved to optimize for the star tau city now when it traveled when it went out and spoke to other pilots. I figured the most likely places where it would be able to kind of take root and start a new biosphere would be places that had very very similar stars. I see solar analogs. Got it so sol. That's the name of our star is one such. I mean from from astra phases point of view. I guess they're city analogs rate. Yeah soul and forty. Eridani are very similar to tell city. So that's how we all end up as one big extremely extended family so we've talked about astra fasion panspermia and so we do share common origins and so the biological systems are not as dissimilar as one might expect right. Which is another thing that. I like to be scientifically accurate but i did not want to sit down and invent life but did you must've into law god if i can actually do that. I get a nobel prize or something right right but tell me this though. You had to have done a lot of reading on not just evolutionary biology but principles like convergent evolution. Right that is when different species and different unrelated species in different environments can come to evolve look like similar traits. You had you thinking about the the effective environments on the ultimate fina type right the phenotype of those organisms. Well with lucien what happens is the life like spreads out and specializes in a whole bunch of different ways but since all of the since all of the planets involved here well tell city had its own thing going on but then the other planets that were Panspermia they each their own biospheres developed over billions of years in isolation so there are a lot of things that are so evolutionary useful. That any you know macro cellular like any macroscopic life. Anything that's made of millions of cells stuff like that is almost certainly going to evolve one of For good example on earth in our in our evolution is the power of flight. The ability to fly is so useful evolutionary that it has independently evolved four different times and is halfway through evolving a fifth time right now so it evolved naturally for insects. Sa- flying insects all common route then unrelated to them. The flying dinosaurs like pterodactyls stuff like that and turn it on and then a third one is Birds avian just like all the birds that we have and the fourth one is bats. bats are mammals. They didn't come from birds. They evolved fight on their own and right now flying squirrels sugar gliders stuff like that these are all mammals that are slowly evolving flight. They've got the flaps that give them give them a couple hundred thousand years. They'll they might be able to get lift. Yeah assuming that the selection pressures are for that particular trait but yeah no. You're right. yeah and so flight is so useful that it's evolved that many times also like on earth anyway. Vision has evolved independently many times. It's just real handy to know where the where the photons are and stuff like that. I can imagine that you thought deeply about what the environment might look like in these other planets and we thought okay if life were to evolve under these circumstances and it could be as high level as what is the atmosphere like what is the atmospheric pressure and gravity like on the surface of those planets in fruit for readers of the book. You will find that. Andy goes into some really exquisite detail. On how the how and astra phase or other potential life forms could work internally so. I know you weren't trying to reinvent light. But you didn't invent some interesting physiological systems some yeah also in terms of inventing life. You know you start off with the a k you start off by saying the you know what is it like. The vast majority of your dna is instructions on how your cells do stuff like. What is it like house. Yeah something like fifty. Five percent of your. Dna is identical to a bananas dna. Yeah so all of that is the same but then you know i started off. I'm like okay. there's a biosphere on this planet. Well what do i know about the planet well to real exoplanet. So i start with that. Oh it's really close to its star okay. So that's going to be really hot. Okay it's going to be really hot. But i but is sensitive. Panspermia event using dna and all these reactions. It needs liquid water. So if it's going to be extraordinarily hot like over two hundred degrees celsius four hundred fifty degrees fahrenheit. That sort of thing like if it's going to be that hot the only way for it to have liquid water is to have an incredibly dense atmosphere. The air is so dense. That water doesn't boil at that temperature. And so it ends up with mike okay this biosphere has like you know it's two hundred celsius and you need some twenty nine atmospheres of pressure. I'm like okay but at twenty nine atmospheres of pressure. The atmosphere is so thick. That late won't really reach the surface of the planet. Okay well things that live on that planet. Don't eat vision. 'cause it's useless but on that point what you find is that and i'd be curious about your thoughts. Maybe as they are extended to throw the human condition here but the circumstances in which some species evolved say lack of vision in how they come to view the natural world around them and what they can and cannot perceive and what they end up almost theorizing about their limitations and that almost limited their science and yet do you think about that in terms of human science obviously built incredible capabilities to go beyond our natural senses. Hasn't stopped are abstract cognitive fought. But i'm curious how you thought about that. So your sensory input has a lot to do with your early cultural development of science. I imagined but once you get a dedicated scientific you know kind of a sense of a scientific establishment and the concept of like the scientific method or something like it where you're like all right rather than look at things through the lens of our beliefs or spiritual beliefs or experiences or whatever. We're actually going to assume nothing and only what we can prove for. Sure once you get to that point in your kind of social evolution of scientific principles then your own physical biological senses are way less important because you'll start making technology to detect whatever it is you want to detect that sort of thing but if it helps a lot the early evolution of your sites for instance. I've often wondered like what would the course of human science have been if the moon wasn't tidally locked so the moon is tidally locked points the same face at earth all the time. But if it wasn't then you would see the moon rotating up there. It would be slow but it'll be rotating which means right from the beginning everyone everywhere on earth would know that the moon was a sphere. Not a desk. Not not around plate that's just pointing yet but a sphere that is rotating independently. We've known that the earth was fear since the days of ancient egypt but they would have known that from before the days of every civilization everywhere would have known. Oh we're that's around thing. Maybe we're on around thing and so on. I'm actually i. I'm thinking of another angle because we recently had an incredible historian of science on the podcast. His name is sub falk from university of cambridge and he just recently wrote a book called the light ages the light ages which of course is trying to reevaluate the scientific ingenuity and principles of the of the quote unquote dark ages. Terrible name the terrible nature. Of course there were so many awesome scientific advances during the doug. They invented the yolk. Yeah but andy what they really relied. Upon to your point. A lot of it was born out of a study of astronomy. Astronomy was the first true science that led to mathematics that led to a sense of time right and time could either be relative or absolute and so all these advances and i could imagine if you could just as you say is the moon is kind of tied title locked and in this periodicity of the moon you were to mess around with some of those parameters. I could imagine human science developing actually quite differently. Frankly i'd i'd i'd have to think about it more deeply however if i go back to the point about does are sense. Sense systems inhibit or limit. I thought you were going to say look at them. We've had the scientific method for three hundred years. We've had our senses and lived with our senses evolve with our senses for t- millions of years. And so you could imagine there are some cognitive limitations to the way that we think that we maybe we doesn't matter what incredible devices you can devise. You may not always be limited of course in your cognitive aptitude over shaped by evolution. Well one one good example of that if you want me to support your point. They're pleased that humans. We really have a difficult time. Perceiving of time itself in the an accurate way so it was very important for us. Evolution airily to understand our three dimensional environment and to have a firm grasp on the idea of three dimensions. and oh. hey there's a leopard over there. Maybe i should be somewhere further away. That sort of thing right but we don't have a good perception of what is actually going on with time because it was never necessary. The only way that time starts acting wonky is when you get up to velocities way larger than anything in our biosphere ever get anywhere near and so if we lived in a world where the speed of light was like twenty miles an hour and you could start getting time. Dilation by by riding a bike really fast then we would probably have evolved from the get-go a completely different cognitive management of of time and events sequences and an understanding of how that stuff works and we would all instinctively understand relativistic physics. Yeah that's a great point and that comes up in the book. And of course to sci fi fans out there like me. And i'm sure. Andy if you love movies like interstellar which really that plan primary role. You're going to get more time. Dilation in project. Hail mary which is super awesome. The martian of course is just an incredible survivalist tail. And you kind of come back to that theme to a large extent project. Hail mary from like this. Yeah well i mean riling grace's is a survivalist tail in the sense that you know he's out there on his own he's trying to figure out what's going on. He's piecing together the situation to for lack of you know more details right but it's a slightly different thing in that. His objective is to save all of humanity whereas wadis objective was to save himself rheinland. Grace it's okay. If he is like it's yeah and so what. I've found that. I really enjoy writing is for lack of a better term an isolated scientist so my protagonists tend to have scientific problems. They need to solve and they're isolated so they can't get help. I love that because it highlights human ingenuity it highlights. The scientific method and problem solving. Which of course is what you're writing is really known for right it in. I forgot on the on the one of the blurbs on the cover of the book i forgot who it was. I really should say it was but it was about Having the science teacher you could ever have walk you through all these situations and was just great. But i had another thought and i wonder if i can scratch below the surface of your psyche here with us. So there's the survivalist tail does highlight genuity. It's very optimistic in. Its its survival yet does it. Also highlight humans reliance on technology. Because all of your scientists in these adverse conditions the surface of mars another interstellar where different star have really rely. They had to use their wits and their logic but they also had incredible reliance on modern technology. All of my stories take place in an environment that will kill you without technology. So so it's like if i write a story about you know movie. Dick relies heavily on boot technology. Otherwise all those guys just drown and harpoons and in fact when they lose their technology the hell drown. Except for ishmail i was i was gonna probing deep into your psyche there and that didn't get very far There's there but you like this idea that you know again. Tacit in the book is that if human beings make contact with alien life forms. It doesn't have to dis past spoiler warning. I'm not sure you talk astro fan. Yeah right right right. That's alien life form. Yeah i always figured like why would why would our first contact with an alien life form. Be intelligent aliens thank you. It's like the first contact that Shoot i don't know it makes sense that it would be just. Yeah mold coaching simple. Yeah i actually. I remember i participated in a psyche experiment when i was an undergrad. And they put me down. There was a crate for creativity experiment. They gave me a blank sheet of paper and ceo. Really want you to just draw. You think alien would look like and so i went to the very corner of the page. I made this tiny little kind of like a little circle lease squiggly and i was like well. That's that's pretty much it Anything else no. I honestly believe that. The most likely scenario is not alien or predator or close encounters of the third kind. I think it's probably something pretty pretty simple. You know maybe single cell and we have that and astra face if you were given the task of drawing what an earthling looks like. That would also be accurate. Because there's a whole lot more those little cells than there are of us right exactly right. And furthermore not just a whole lot more but a whole lot more of the biomass of this planet if you take all the living organisms on this planet and put them together. Those single celled organisms are the bulk of the mass. This episode is sponsored by linked in today. Many small business owners are busier than ever because they are focused on managing and growing their business. 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This is where the spoilers are going to start. And i miss you. I am more you. Yes red alert. Because i want you to share in the joy that i had of experience all the twists and the turns and surprises and so stop the podcast comeback for this next part of the conversation. Because now we're going to get down to brass tacks. Andy and i want to ask you some very specific question all right here. We go here. We go oilers on rocky. I'll me about rocky. i have them in my mind. Just what you think. I mean we talked a little bit about some of the concepts right you kind of you set. The context. His environment his homeland. And you give him a form of phenotype is is is the real word. We're looking for so just talk to me about your thinking of round bringing rocky to life who is rocky in and tell. Tell us you came to him. Rocky is an intelligent alien from the planet that we call forty eridani be rocky is about maybe eighteen inches tall more like three or four feet wide basically a five legged spider and he has a lot of mineral protrusion on his exit skeleton so he looks like somewhat rocky looks like kind of we say he but he's actually a hermaphrodite his language is like wale song is actually. He has five sets of vocal cords within his body and it just moves gas from one bladder to another across them and so their language has species. Well it's species. Of course they have a bunch of languages just like we do but all of their languages involved just using error from bladder to another across his vocal cords and they have five sets of vocal cords so their words are cords like just like these five notes played at once has this meaning or these two nodes followed by this note and then discord is a different word and so on so because they their words their language is so different from ours that we cannot pronounce their words are protagonist who meets the salen. Although to be fair. I guess he's an alien to. He's not ryland is not not in the solar system. He's intel city. He meets his alien and he has to start naming things because their words cannot be said in english by humans and so he names the guy. He name's alien rocky because he looks like a rock kind of and then he named like rockies from the star eridani so he names their species. Iranians it's kind of like era. Don ian is kind of clumsy to say so he drops a syllable out of that makes it iranian and then he decides to name the planet forty johnny be. That's kind of a mouthful so he just calls it. Arid e. r. i d. Okay so now. He's got some names well. The planet arid in real life is eight times the mass of earth. This is the planet we were talking about earlier in the interview where. It's eight times massive irs. So it's going to have about two times. The surface gravity. If it's a solid planet earth is and so rockies species evolved on that planet and that planet was panspermia seeded by the astra phase ancestor. That also that was also responsible for seating so iranians and humans are very very distant related. Mike four billion years down the evolutionary tree the radiance. their biology is Well i got to make a whole alien biology super awesome. I can't wait one. Oh my gosh. that's it was so brilliant but but again. I almost believe and recurs about your process that you you kind of take every new fact or new piece of information about say iranian and then you keep layering new logical. Plausibility is on top of that. So if he has this atmosphere he has this skin just the way the physiology works. Oh but then if he goes into oxygen like a human atmosphere. What are the consequences right shit. We'll go on fire right because of his ambient temperature in the high oxygen. That's flammable and there's just so many like i feel like you. Just keep taking these things to their. I love conclusion but but there's probably a lot of scenarios begin the plausible conclusions right and that was one thing that was important is like i knew right from the get go. This is going to be a story about first contact between intelligent life forms and stuff like that and the short length. If you're listening to this now you're just and haven't read the book you're ruining the book for yourself but only long story short rocky is a towel city for the same reason that ryland is his home system is also being affected by astra fish and they also noticed that tells said he has not dimming so they also sent a mission but they had certain advantages in that they have a huge planet with huge oceans. And it's really really hot. There and the end result means it was very very easy for them to breathe up an enormous amount of astra phase. It was very difficult for to. But one thing i wanted here was. I wanted to be as plausible as possible on the contact stuff and one thing. That's always bugged me when aliens are totally comfortable in our environment and that they can speak the words that we say right yeah and while that is so convenient narrative it's just doesn't strike me as plausible humans are barely able to survive like our own planet like there are lots of places on this planet. Where if you go. You'll probably just die because the environment like if you just go to antarctica. If you're not very very well prepared. You're probably gonna die right same with the sahara right so it seems ridiculous that humans would be comfortable and some other planets both here or vice versa so i decided one way or another. I want this alien to be completely incompatible with our atmosphere and that worked well because the planet arod as i mentioned earlier to be like two hundred plus degrees celsius twenty nine atmospheres later. I decided that the atmosphere is mostly ammonia. So if a human were in that environment you would die in under a second you. Diana fractured you. Die so fast you didn't know would hit you which is good because it would be really unpleasant. If you had time to experience and iranians they have the same problem basically for them coming into our atmosphere is it's freezing cold like incredibly cold second off. It's a massive decompression. I mean it's almost a vacuum as far as they're concerned and third off unbelievably for some reason. Those humans their atmosphere is like twenty percent oxygen most deadly toxic. Kill you in an instant chemicals that exists and he finds this out he does not understand. he's like oxygen is incredibly deadly because of course it is and in real life if oxygen weren't twenty percent of our atmosphere and if we didn't need to breathe to live it would probably be a controlled substance. It's incredibly dangerous. If have some pure oxygen e would be very easy to accidentally blow up your whole house. I mean it's incredibly dangerous so yeah so rocky is very surprised by that because it radiance because the atmosphere of arid has no free. Oxygen are not enough to matter. they don't have fires. I mean with their science can create fires but they don't have naturally occurring fires so no part of their evolution had to evolve to not catch on fire so they are very flammable in the grand scheme of things and so if you put them in an in an earthquake environment they are a flammable and d. They're really really hot so they just catch fire. It's horrid In the book of course one of the most compelling parts is the relationship that builds between rocky and and ryland rice yeah. They're playing the way that they overtime of are they facing similar circumstances with a similar goal in mind they need to work together and they really start to four and they're very different creatures as you just described and yet of course. It presupposes a cognitive compatibility. Right that is they can think in fact rocky at one point actually asked the question and one of my favorite quotes is he says you know. Math is not thinking. Mathis procedure memory's not thinking memory is storage. Thinking is thinking it's problem solution. You and me think the same speed. Why i actually add you almost think in the same kind of qualitative style or you have the same conceptual abilities and so i'm curious. It's mixed great narrative device. But how did you think about that. In terms of what led you to that because you could imagine all of our cognitive. A lot of our cognitive abilities have been have risen brain development through our social interactions. The the the the frontal lobe which is the largest in homo sapiens is thought to be driven over. Evolution because of our complex social interactions and dynamics and the demands placed on our thinking by being in these complex social interactions. And i thought you'd say you know what atom arabians are totally different than humans but they live in social groups and when you live in social groups. You're going to get maybe some of the same selective forces to get them to a cognitive style or at least a cognitive capability. That's why riling grace in rocky can actually. Once they learn each other's language they can speak and understand each other. Am i am i. So out of leftfielder. No no no. That makes sense. But my explanation was simply. I mean the reason that they have similar perceptions of the universe and all that stuff like that is because even though we've just described how incredibly human and arabian by fears are. They are actually incredibly similar in the grand scheme of things. They both have a solid planet with an atmosphere aground evolved a full active and vibrant biosphere predator prey relationships and so on yeah and so iranians iranian brains evolved along with radian bodies to do the same things and for the same reasons as human brains eventually. My theory is that eventually some life form on the planet evolves intellect and it starts to become this like the feedback effect of the smarter. The creature is the more likely it is to survive so it just becomes. It's an incredible evolutionary advantage. We know it is the sole reason that we're in charge of this planet like we're weaker than most other animals mean steven pinker would argue that. There's nothing teleological about intelligence. You know evolving right teleological. Meaning the evolution is not marching towards greater. That's just that's our evolutionary advantage. Right right down on but you could imagine that also rising in another planet and it's also just sort of a just happenstance that it was primates that developed it. I mean primates fairly smart. But you know it could have been you know any of the other species that are pretty bright like you know pigs dolphins or whatever. It could have been them. But it's just whichever species devolves intelligence. I starts getting smarter and smarter. It's going to be a runaway effect. And they're going to be the ones that take over the planet. So my brain. Now is bouncing to generalize ai but back to your next book all right so for the iranians that same thing happened on their planet. I made a list of myself to myself saying okay. What is necessary. So i decided my characters. So you're gonna meet a space faring alien right. What is required in the biosphere in the physiological development in the evolution of this species what is required for it to end up as a species. That is good enough at science to make spacecraft to do all that and got what is required and i thought like well number one. It absolutely positively. They need to have a language like there's no way that one being can't come up with that level of intellect or if it did if it was possible for a single member of species to independently invent all the science involved in space travel and everything from scratch then that species if they had developed. Then you would have you know intellectually rather than by by natural selection would have intellectually invented the concept of language. Because you would say like. Oh if i could exchange information with that other intellect than i could get whatever so. There's no way to do this without language and also there's no way to have there's no way to have these extremely complex systems in place unless you have a society civilization so whatever they are. They can't be solitary creatures. Like you know like bearers. They have to be. They have to have intellect not just intellect they have to have social structures packs And so. I actually went backwards. And i decided it goes all the way back to iridium physiology but their means of dealing with infection and and pathogens and stuff like that is the way their bodies were is they have one of their circulatory systems. They have to independent circulatory systems and one of them operates hotter than the boiling point of water. Their blood is not made of water. It's made mostly of mercury. But it's hotter than the boiling point of water. So when they bring in food first thing they do is they. Heat heated up to that point for quite some time before the rest of their body starts processing. It's so any pathogens that might get in. It gets sterilized. And because of this their whole body evolved to avoid exposure to the outside biosphere so they for instance they would They don't breathe. They have inside them basically like all parts of a biosphere they have like you know plant cells and animal like cells in harmony. They need to bring energy into the system they eat they excrete whatever they don't need but they don't let things in and out of their body because of this they need to do the sterilization the food because of that. I designed their muscular system to basically be like it uses the hot system to boil water which basically means their muscles are steam powered it pneumatics. Yeah spans a by boiling the water than contracts by cooling the water. And that's how their muscles work and then they have to vince. Heat with these with their carapace but because of this win they're digesting food or when they are asleep the only time they can their body can get into that hot circulatory system because any cells that tried to go in there and travel in there and fix things. Oh it's made of inert things by the way it's made of most of their bodies inorganic kind of like we have fingernails hair and teeth most of their bodies in organic material but when the cells want to go into the hot circulatory system to repair things or deal with routine and stuff like that. It has to shut that down and let it cool down enough. That that its own cells won't die in there so that means an iranian has to sleep which is neat it needs to sleep so it can cool down that thing and when it's asleep it's literally paralyzed because the hot ticket. Auditory system is in hot enough to boil the water to make their muscles move so they are completely helpless and because of that because they're completely and utterly helpless when they're asleep that's why they developed a pack instinct so they could watch each other sleep so it could be like. I'll watch you sleep. I'll keep predators from eating you during that time because your help us then you do the same for me. And that's where their civilization stemmed from we see lots of examples of sentinel behaviors on earth. Right you should think of canada geese or even the well. Yes that that's know pack behavior but also i mean if you want sentinel behavior any any parents right like like birds and mammals and some reptiles not such great parents. They lay their eggs and they were off but Equity but yeah so anyway. That is all a long story but basically the social construct exists of like okay. There's a pack there's a society there's a civilization we work with each other to do way more than any of us could do alone right and so both ryland and rocky come into their bromance with these insects instincts already long since of old but then i love the i love the things where they just really impressed with each other's abilities like rocky has no sense of sight. He did did not evolve for creatures on the surface of arid but he has these oracles which are basically sound sensing things all over his body and he can get a three d. image of his environment by his brain sorting out that information so kind of like a daredevil where you know did daredevil. The character can understand it. Just sound and ryan thinks that's amazing whereas rocky is like. Let me get this straight. You can hear light so the idea of making a three d environment out of sound is sounds like wow really amazing to us. But the idea to alien who's never encountered vision before the idea of someone being able to form instinctively form and understand a three dimensional environment because some ambient radiation got through these tiny little orifices like. That's what i love. You know you're able to turn the lens on the human experience from the perspective of an alien like from aerated. Like that is it is. It is pretty fantastic. That is a sink of our. Yeah in rocky feels that way. He really thinks having site is really valuable. It is and and he's amazed that it's like wow you know because iranians didn't even discover stars. They didn't even know. Stars existed until they had the technology to detect light and stuff like that and they invent space travel before they discovered what the hell was outside their own atmosphere and so and the arabian to rocky. It's like wow so you can just go outside on your planet and you angle your head and you can literally perceive things that are hundreds of light years away from you and they never got to the theory of relativity either. Yes some problems and it was at. I wondered if the the lack of vision and relativity was in your mind. Somewhat linked einstein's famous like. I'm on the front of a train to trains trying out. You know what i mean. I just wondered if that visualization that he often but okay wrong. I decided well. I really wanted oftentimes in i. I really wanted to break the mold as much as i could oftentimes in fiction when i contact fiction. The aliens either. The aliens are usually way more advanced. But in this case in most ways the humans are way advanced more advanced than the ingredients. The iranians are kind of like a century or two behind us in technology. They made this shift but because of the nature of their planet they have one technology called Zena night that is a material. That's incredibly strong so strong that they could make space elevator. They can do all that stuff so they invented a whole bunch of space travel. They don't have computers. They've never invented computers also. They never really needed to because the way their brains are structured very very good at math so they didn't really need to invent computers because they can just do extremely complex math in their head right. I decided they never invented relative. They never discovered relativity. They they got as far as what we call newtonian physics and right was it all seemed very clear to them. And so this was their first interstellar flight as well and so they loaded up with field. They just assume newtonian physics ago. You've gotta go faster and faster and faster. Get there quicker turnaround. Start slowing down. You get there faster. And they were really surprised and confused by how the universe seem to act as they got going beyond a certain speed and they were like well. It seemed like a you know we would go and then we weren't going very fast but the star was closer to us than it used to be. Net didn't make sense and when we slowed down the star got further away which also didn't make sense anyway so they didn't understand anything about relativity and they also didn't understand about radiation but they'd never encounter. Why would they. They have a thick atmosphere of an incredibly thick atmosphere and also incredibly strong magnetic field around the planet far stronger than earth's right right and i decided the reason that planet needed a strong young knick field was because i'd already established it as a really thick atmosphere and if it's that close to a star a star basically sandblast the atmosphere off of planets. And so it's so close to the sorry the only way i figured it could maintain an atmosphere. That size is if it had a really strong magnetic field which you get by spinning around fast. So that's why they're day like six hours long. They're applied the whole bit planet which is like eight times. The size of ours rotates in like six hours so anyway they are super-duper protected from radiation. And they have pretty much. No evolved defenses from radiation humans. Do radiation can like poke holes in our dna and you'll survive for quite a while. We we get a dose of radiation everyday. You know just going outside or even if you stay in your house iridium's don't but anyway there a a method to my madness on deciding why they never invented relativity because it gave me a reason why they had so much extra fuel. I don't wanna go that far with spoiled right. Because i still want but on that point. I've kind of three last questions for you. One is a slightly. It's on that one so of course we're all familiar with the hero's journey right sure. But the hero's journey typically has the protagonist returning home a changed person. But i couldn't decide and you don't. You can say as much as little as you want. But i couldn't decide whether project hail. Mary was truly a hero's journey. Or were you deviating from that kind of standard mono myth in some really creative ways or how did you think about that because there is a hero's journey but it doesn't really strictly conform to it. Well i wasn't attempting to follow the steps of a hero's journey is just. I don't know if it's the society i grew up in or the fiction that i've enjoyed my whole life. It kind of turned into something like that. But i would say that you could argue. That ryland went home a changed person. He was definitely a changed person right and he did in a way. Go home because at the end of the book. He's back in his familiar environment. Even though not only got that. I got that point on but then it wasn't intentional. I just wanted to show a happy ending. Violent but one that i think is somewhat unpredictable. I think everybody would expect one thing and totally. Like i thought the book was basically done and then of course in typical. You know we're a fashion. There's another wrinkle. The knicks another left. Turn and i'm left a so. I have a couple specific questions now. Why is there number system based six when they have five appendages. Three clawlike fingers so fifteen. Why would they. Why would they have. A number system is based six for the same reason. Our number system isn't based twenty even though we have four appendages with five digits on each their typical comfortable stance as they used three of their legs to stand and two of them to work so they have six digits. Activating hugh i. I didn't get that. I mean you were very clear in the book about when he's holding onto servant port-au-prince in the ship or his stronghold. Well wasn't for them. Feeding hands changeable quite. They are equally adept with all five of their appendages. And they use them interchangeably as feet or hands. But they usually have two hands in japan. And i figured that wasn't evolve thing because three feet a tripod that's extremely stable and safe and surefooted footed interesting. Okay when we are loading up and designing the designing and loading up the hail. Mary ship equipped with every piece of software. Kind of in the history of the planets and our read our listeners may realize that your background is is a software engineer It has a fully functioning laboratory. But it seemed to me and you'll have to convince me otherwise that it lacked a lot of biotechnology tools and i was somewhat surprised at that because we knew astra facial shared common origins of other biological systems. Okay so. I was surprised at that. I guess you know when they were attempting to breed tomita. You could have done that experiment so much faster if you had sequenced. It did a crisper screen to look for nitrogen resist genes associated with nitrogen sensitivity. And then you could have edited those jeans and a much more directed fashion than doing a standard kind of what is a historical breeding program. Well so am. I take their best shot. I mean yeah. But they had to take their best shot on they didn't know they were gonna find a whole biosphere city data had no idea what was going to be there so they tried to give him a lot of generalized equipment. That might solve the problem. It is not possible to load up that ship with every piece of equipment that might be necessary by may am turned out to be. Just some geomagnetic anomaly planet somewhere in the tallahassee system that solved the problem and then what you would really want would be high definition magnetic sensing equipment but so they just They go to it up with enough tools that he could hopefully that the crew could hopefully do what they wanted. Here's another question. We learned that and this is very common. Yeah i can give you a mechanistic region but we can even see it just in terms of the phenotype that when you select for one trait you will have other traits. Carry along with that in. That happens to grace that does. And that's an unfortunate. I don't want to waste wasn't it wasn't just other traits. That happened to be hitching. A ride on that trade. It was other traits that were more effective at breeding for. Yes you put selective pressure on those traits and unfortunately it wasn't what they were looking for. But why didn't the substance that they cared so much about. Why did it show any evidence of the infiltration because if you think away like you know the seltzer yeah like bacteria secrete things that could erode or catalyze huckabee. Didn't show any evidence of that he asked. Yeah so the answer is they never checked. They never checked the tank. I was even expecting some discoloration or something that wouldn't you just think. Oh well it's all sorts of weird chemicals and stuff like that and you're right and you're right. The astroturf aged grump. After they've killed them you know is pretty nasty dark smelly stuff. So i guess you're right. It could obscure any le vian questions or something. Yeah what are you reading it before you found out about that Unfortunate selects. Yeah did it ever occur to you to say like hey they should check the tanks to see if anything weird is happening to the scene night. I thought it was a leak. I thought it was a leak. Naturally that's where they went to. I started to feel it when when rockies creative like alloy that he had made seem to be. That was the first clue that there was something about the scene tonight. And i guess and even from just reading it zena nights seemed like such a miracle substance that i guess in my mind. I'm kind of thinking like oh no no no no. There's something's going to happen. It's not perfect to perfect. But but i i get your saying. Yep i can definitely get that last question for you. Are you a beatles fan and if so. what's your favorite album. I am very much beatles. Fan huge beatles. Fan and my favorite album is sergeant pepper Just like steven hatch just like anywhere. Thanks so much for being on enquiring mind. This was a blast. Thanks for having me incredibly fun. Thank you to andy. We're you know this is the first interviews. I've done where we could actually see each other And it was great. Because he's such a casual fund guy. We really had a good conversation that kept going. And i didn't mentioned in the interview but was in the press materials so i feel at liberty to disclose this but it seems that n. g. m. does in fact have the rights to this book and so possibly there's another you know andy weird Movie in the future. I would love to see how they treat some aspects of this the characters the situations you know this this move would be a real challenge to do at any other time without all the cgi and special effects technology. We have today. But i bet you it's going to be. Aw well i haven't finished reading it. So i can't listen to the second half of your interview before we record this So he didn't say anything bad about me to do. Y'all have to listen right. Well trust that. You didn't and i'll look forward to hearing the rest. Yeah it was great to talk to india's always and it's just wonderful to discover a new book that could have created a whole new world once again just like one of my favorite things about fiction. Yeah and he does that on that point. It feels like this is the type of book unlike not unlike but it feels it has real sequel potential because the the end has a very has real resolution at the end. But it's clear that the story is not yet over and so there really is an opportunity for andy to sort of pick up that thread and continue pulling on it and i hope he does that. It's a great story. So that's another episode. Thanks for listening if you want to hear more. Don't forget to subscribe if you'd like to get an ad. Free version of the show. Consider supporting us at patriotair dot com slash inquiring minds. I want especially thank david. Noel herring chang shawn johnson. Jordan miller. 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252 Margaret Owen

What Book Hooked You?

32:16 min | 3 d ago

252 Margaret Owen

"This is what book do you. I'm rock and thanks for listening to this week. I'm talking to margaret owen. Whose newest book little 'this is out. Now we also get into her merciful crow allergy second book the faithless park came out last year and we talk about obviously her influences. Help art influences her writing. great conversation. Hope you enjoy so. Listen so margaret. What book of you since this is always an interesting question because as a consummate buchner d- I was reading before they realized that i needed glasses. And i just had my books early man. My face just shoved into a. Nancy drew book from age. Seven on but I think you know as a kid. Those were always great But i kind of wanted to touch on. What got me back into reading more regularly as an adult especially you know. All things considered Terry patchett actually was what got me. Sort of reading the same of veracity. That i had as a kid and i would point to i'd say lords and ladies As the one. That really did it for me. 'cause i love to them and i really enjoyed equal Apes but lords and ladies was one where i saw this sort of this life of You know being a benevolent but Powerful presence within a village but not necessarily having a biological family of your own. I saw that presented as not a native thing. But in fact like this This this kind of thing to be proud of an achievement unto itself and You know that's that's what the character of rainy weather wax. Who was the village. Which and the book itself deals with sort of alternate realities where she could have been you. Know the mom. The matriarch of the sprawling clan or a powerful sorceress. And it was the first one to say. No there's actually like you know a lot of value in being okay and good at where you're at great and where like well let me back from it so this was not every project lords and ladies. This is a book that you said. Got you back in the ring so what what had you. Why hadn't you stopped are. Why had you not been as before this time. I think that was when i was in college. And there's definitely. I think you know when i was when i was younger. I had a lot more time a lot. More focus Being able to read recreationally was kind of encouraged. And it was sort of this approach of if you're reading that's good enough and You know that was good enough for grade school for middle school. Then we get into high school. And i i still read. You know the the assigned books. But i think that was where i started to struggle with some of the assigned reading whereas this doesn't this doesn't have. This is a book that doesn't have any interest in me if that makes sense and The this was also back in the early two thousand so there's been a lot of great work done since to expand the curriculum in two books that are written for ford for teens And to speak to their issues and stuff that interests them but it felt like we were kind of being pushed to use our reading time just for curriculum that it was you know. Let's meet meet. You know john steinbeck at his level and let's talk about what interests john steinbeck and it's like i'm i'm a sixteen year old girl i i. Some of the stuff is interesting but also i wanna talk about all kinds of. I talk about magic. What brought you back to books like. Was it Were you handed. Lords and ladies was i. I'm being redundant. So what he act reading in life honestly this. This sort of Really speaks to the power of word of mouth recommendations is that You know. I was in a a art webs. Dvr chat site her chat room and Some of the folks that i was hanging out with talking about how much they loved terry practice works and where good place to start would be and they just directed me towards equal rights. Because i'd already read good omens at that point and this is fantastic and hilarious. But he just didn't really sort of get the the impetus to keep going And then you know they had. I was nudged gently towards equal rights and picked it up started reading I love this. I love how funny it is. I love how it doesn't take itself too seriously. I don't i love how it has all these really interesting ideas and philosophies woven through it but it's still going to make a whole lot of kind of winking at the camera jokes but not an obnoxious way and from there i was like i could read five million books about these characters and then i did and so with getting back in the books then Where then did it pick up that you wanted. We're going beyond just reading books but then this idea of creating your own stores right so I actually wanted to be an author since about fourth grade. And i think if you looked at the time when i stopped reading as much for fun and the time when i sort of started letting that idea go other you know there's a lot of overlap and and a lot of the messages that i got were that being an author generally any kind of creative endeavor is not a sustainable income. It's not something that's serious people do. It's not like you know it's it's fine to do. As a hobby was very much the messages. I was getting into also if you want to be successful if he want to be financially stable and independent All the stories about the starving author types at that was definitely a big deterrent and then Turns out actually more money writing once. I actually did started but I had wanted that. you know. That particular vocation from a very young age kind of let it go. And then after i ran around and did a whole bunch of different jobs i had been in the political circuit for a little bit. Just as a field organizer. I hit a kind of a wall where i don't feel like there is a sustainable way for me to proceed for me. Rise up the ranks need further without. You know another job. I don't feel like this is something i want to pursue anymore and i had a heart with myself and said every time i changed jobs or even when i'm doing them i just keep on coming back to writing. That's what i keep on coming back to jeff for fun you know it's like it's like with art because i also draw a do art and writing for fun and when i'm not working and hanging out with friends that's what i want to do and can make money from doing that so i decided And this was oh this would be twenty thirteen inch so at that point i would be about twenty seven gonna date myself here a little bit but i decided that i would Start the process of holding down a day job in spending all of my social time elsewhere. Diverting all the majority of my social lifetime to Just drafting manuscripts. Nca getting improving my craft and trying to get published. And when i just a little bit like a couple of months shy of my thirtieth birthday a native my three books was great and so once you were kind of On that path and with this idea of a pursuing writing i when you first started out Where did see yourself as what did you imagine yourself when you were when you pictured your book on a shelf. What sexual one's going to be in. Who did you want your book to kind of be beside. You know being there to like what were you kind of striving for initially when you started out. I think this is always made marketing for myself. A nightmare because i I always try not to be too precious about it. But i've i've never looked at someone's career path and said I want to emulate this exactly partially because I feel like what worked for them is not going to me. And trying to mimic. That just isn't going to do anything but produced a weaker imitation of that but You know i. I had you probably on the bookshelf behind me. I'd been picking up some some young adult books And i was like you know these are. These are fast are interesting They are about teens. And i think that's really interesting. Time of life to right around. And i read a couple other adult fantasy books but a lot of time. They were very sort of either. It was kinda like the the george martin thing whereas just like a very interesting doorstop but it was also kind of like heavy and dark and it was very sort of interested in having fantasy that also told the world though added that it is which is tends to be a lot about suffering. Which i like. Now that's that's depressing annaspiratou And i thought i could write. I could try to do an adult fantasy. But i would rather write about this age of tremendous transformation and like no these ideas of self discovery Which adult fantasy doesn't quite engage within the same way which is not a problem like that. You know that's that's its its own johner with its own beautiful conventions in the way. The people have engaged with that. It's fantastic but why age fantasy to me seemed like this incredible venue to to explore what it looks like to forge your own identity as a teen in a world where you can do anything. Do you wanna be a dragon. You can write a book about being dragon you know. Do you want to with with my first duality. it was do. You wanna use bones for magic you can use bone for magic can do it even creepy version and teeth for magic. Which isn't technically bounced. But i've just sort of swept under the rug and you sit about like during this time when you were you. Were kind of driving to get published The idea of trying to perfect your craft. What form that take for you. During that time i am very much a suffer visor so or revise while i am drafting. Which makes for kind of slow approach because i i can bang out maybe a thousand words in a day on although when i when i get really going then like sometimes it can hit like seven thousand were today but those are very bad day but as far improving my my craft goes You know some of that did take the form of you know handing out to To critique partners in beta readers to see what their thoughts and impressions where Some of it was just reading books that were you know trying to engage with things or you know had similar tones or different you know different elements and analyzing how they pulled it off. What what specifically they did you know what kind of vocabulary they used. What kind of pacing. They used how they set up the scene and end the the narrative camera as it were in what they were following so you never lost last track. The plot like one of my favorite books for that from a craft perspective is spinning silver. Binomial vic because when you look at all the craft decisions that go into it the fact that it's told from six different pov's and you never ever are told which one you're you're reading and you figured out within like the first paragraph or two that from a craft perspective is simply astonishing and the decision to put these very complicated action sequences sometimes in the perspective aid young boy who is narrated very straightforward and like not embellish. Anything is brilliant. Because it basically tells you exactly what's happening. There's no way that you can sort of fudge the details in your head so that was a very long candidate but you know looking at other books and how they pulled off things that i was trying to achieve. That was always a way of sort of studying the craft for me to And so and you brought up your duality merciful crow so that the merciful crow came out two years ago. That was the first book on one when you first one about writing. The merciful crow was always a duality. Was it always two books. Was it maybe going to be a third book and you condense it down. How did it become a duality. So that was a little bit of a complicated situation where we had sold my publisher history books and it was initially pitched i. It was pitchy them as a trilogy. They wanted to buy two books and then sort of get their offer. A little bit more escalated over the competition. They added a third book onto it they. They weren't sure if that third book would be a standalone or e- third in the trilogy and unfortunately realistically the way that Those decisions get made is based on sales numbers and that becomes a challenge. When you have to write the second book before the first one comes out and so Ultimately the thing that i really didn't want to do was have two books of trilogy and then had my publisher say look we really like what you're doing but it's not the sales numbers aren't there so we have to switch gears because then i would just have an unfinished trilogy hanger on my head and i have plenty of respect for readers of front but the most readers aren't gonna have the industry knowledge to say. Oh so that wasn't a deliberate choice on the author's part to leave that trilogy hanging And so instead i Ultimately kind of leighton. I think it had about the first third of the faithless. Hawk drafted i was like. I can't continue writing this without the uncertainty. So i'm going to make the decision to have it be a duality. Because we don't have a clear answer at this point and i am going to contend to condense some of the the plots that i had for you know different books or for the for the second and third book and i'm gonna convince those and cut out some stuff that i liked but you know it may It wouldn't fit in condensing two books down into one And yes so it was. It was a challenge. Because i always knew what the ending of the duality would or of the series would be And it became a question. Of how do i get to that ending in a way that feels earned and also have or take the books that was supposed to be the second of three acts in. Make it into the second of two halves. And how do i make that. You know being conversation with the first book in a way that they hadn't planned on so going off of yards. Does that mean that as a writer you. You are very much plotter when it comes to work. I am very much. So plotter. I i mean. I've gotten a little bit better. Because i'm gonna. I'm going to expose myself or even more of a nerd than usual but For a third book. I had been Running a dnd campaign at that point for a couple years and that really helped me not outlined as much because when you're running a session you just have to be ready for the players to see exactly what you're trying to do and just sprint in the opposite direction and do the complete opposite of whatever you expected sometimes quite literally and that you know that helped me sort of be more comfortable with not plotting everything out quite as tightly but yes for merciful crow in particular in other manuscripts. I've worked on. I've a a an atlanta process and tried to Kind of refer to as an iterative one in that I will have a broad list of events that have happened in the book. I will sort them chronologically it will break them into acts and then I will write as as start. Drafting each act. I will write a one to two cents. Summary of each chapter and as i start each chapter l. Take that one to two sons summary moving into a different doctors and then flesh it out into a paragraph or two of outlined for that chapter and Then that's that's what. I draft based off of an i have in that of chapter level outline so have notes on like running spreads that any to to remind people love or things that i needed. You need to tackle. That weren't tackled in the last chapter. Just stuff that fell off But what i found with that particular approach is that it gives us the flexibility to say. Well i just killed off a character who was supposed to be pivotal in the in the in the final battle. So what are we. How are we going to approach that. We're going to fix that. And i can just if you know go into the third act and say all right. Well now there's this character The groundwork for that. But i won't have disrupted too much outlander. Not so much detail put into with. Doesn't have a lot of flexibility that then brings up to your newest book called little thieves so we'll start talking about that. I give us the rundown of what this books about. So there is a grimm's fairytale called the goose girl and in a nutshell. It's it's a weird one It's about a in who About halfway on route. Chew her fiancee's kingdom has her identity stolen by her maid and the princess basically becomes the servant who has to work in the palace of the quote unquote princess who is secretly the made and who is going to marry her fiance and the notes all very sad and like a very very depressing version of the prints the paper and then eventually the truth comes out and the maid is punished and the princess stored to her rightful place. And the thing. That sort of makes us an interesting story to me. Is that in the in the fairytale. The first act of villainy by the made is to quit she her saying i don't want to be your servant anymore i quit. And then the the when when she takes the princesses identity. The princess then has to wear the terrible dressed. The made was wearing and ride the bad horse that was writing and from a different perspective. You kind of have to look at this and say why is it that it was totally okay for the made to be subjected to all these things that are punishment for the princess and the maid has put up with them. Presumably her entire life and so little thieves kind of it's loosely based on the inversion of that or you know the story of the made and asking. Why would she want to quit mid mid trip. why would she want. Why would she feel like taking. The princesses. identity was a way out or or a viable viable Planned to begin with and so. That's you know that that sorta forms the the the spine of the book No pun intended In as far as little go and its plot it's basically the made has spent the last year using the princesses identity as a smokescreen to Infiltrate high society parties and commit a series of jewel heists so she can escape the kingdom or she can afford them scape of the kingdom that they are living in and then she crosses the wrong family winds up cursed by their patron god to turn into jewels herself unless she can return everything that she's stolen before the full moon. And yeah it's it's fun and not you know. There's other complications in the form of an amateur detective who has been. We'll actually quite highly trained He's been brought into catch the thieves that's been plaguing the nobility and the fiance of the princess is also on his way back insisting on mary Very short notice wedding. And there's all kinds of complications with that to a but yet sort of all about this curse to to become less selfish and What that what that really means in in terms of power dynamics to And so it sounds like the the spark that started it was this fairy tale. The goose girl. Is it something where you were looking for. Inspiration in fairy tales. You just happened upon. How did that. 'bout right so i found that for me. My my big story ideas tend to come from a couple different sort of amoeba of stories that just smack together in like. Oh no all three of these things combined actually make a good story. And so in this case i had this idea i'd had lurking in the back of my head. This idea to do a story about a con artist who is cursed to do good deeds. I also had a character background that i really liked which was another identity thief. Who almost this kind of Anna's american was This hilarious scammer. Who you know pretended to be fabulously wealthy and just coasted on being young attractive and confident and scammed people out of i think like hundreds of thousands of dollars in both goods and actual money and I wanted to do a story about A character who was basically pretending to be a socialite and had stolen the identity of a socialite in order to become a thief in you know do these jewel heists and so those two combined with the idea of the goose girl. retelling As looking at that as you know that that the the scammer who's impersonating examine that could be a good connection to the goose girl but it would actually be the story of the villain and so all three of those things sort of coalesced into you. Have this social person who is impersonating To to steal a whole bunch of jewelry you have her curse to do good deeds and you have this whole complication of the princess whose identities stolen coming back and being very unhappy with the search circumstances. And i'm going to go back. You mentioned how You're an artist like to draw does in the planning of and the developing of your stories. Is that something you ever do where you'll like sketch something out whether it's an outfit or a a setting or a object to kind of get a better idea and understanding what you need to put in the book. Absolutely because i find that when i do brainstorming with sketches it actually engage whole totally different part of my brain And say oh. This'll be a cool visual detail to add. This would be a cool sort of nuance like the fact that the main character almost always works for harrison brighter braids. That i don't think was part of it. Until i started drawing her more and more frequently and as oh no i think i like her having you know these these two braids at almost look like devil horns practically just about but it's little things like that and that it helps me like dude doing character sketches doing doing sketches of of actual scenes in the book Sometimes i'll actually story board out in action sequence to get an idea of who is where because otherwise that can get a little little hectic but yeah i i absolutely use art had to sort of develop the world alive so with this book. It's as retorts before it was part of the contract. So did you want this third book to be a standalone. Was out what you're looking for when you started in on the story that understanding yes so since it was the third book in the contract One of the things that is complicated about book contracts is sometimes they come with an option clause and that means that The or publisher gets the first look and i shot at Whatever book you're going to write next and the My third book had that or my third contract. Had that option clause. So i knew that you know i would have to give some idea to my publisher. Something innocent proposal on to work on next. But that said i always write the when. I'm starting something new. I always write it as if it's a standalone and it's just a habit from From querying days. which is you know. They always say that the best the best approaches instead of Pitching whole series to to agent. You wanna say the for it. This is the first proposed series but it functions as a standalone. Because sometimes you can only sell one and so little. Thieves is absolutely written as a standalone But i will say that. When i was when i was working on the book i found myself enjoying writing this world of these characters so much that i was just like i can write a million more than that's great to let's wind down and as we do ask you a few questions the first one being. What is your favorite movie. That's based on a book. So i've been thinking really hard about this. And i have to split it between Three movies. I'll do this very fast. I am here. Second or the pride and prejudice. Two thousand five adaptation. I knew that is absolutely comfort movie. Just two hands down I also really enjoy to not one but two different ideas ocoee movies. That are actually both adaptations of books. And i think a lot of you know. The first one that comes to mind is house moving castle. Everybody enjoys that speaking for a lot of folks. But i think that was that was not only a fun adaptation but it also was. If you read the book it's significantly different. And i think the the movie brings is sort of story in life to to the books or to the story itself and i really appreciate that as a sort of you know a good example of how a movie can do something. You're totally veer off the rails from the book and still be a really cool adaptation unto itself but I also really appreciate kiki's delivery service which not a lot of people know is actually based on a book because i think when you view it as a metaphor for the creative process and becoming a professional at something that you love it's staggered. It is a it's like. Oh no now. That she's doing the stitches really good at and she enjoys but she's doing it for money. All of a sudden she loses the ability to do it in times and spends months in a depression. Ooh well let's get Cutting a little close to the quick there but but Yeah i think you know when you viewed as metaphor a for the creative process and becoming a professional creative it is you know i. It hits different excellent so the next question. Is there a book or a series. You're willing to admit you've either. Never read ordinary finished. Came expose myself even more as as a as a nerd. I never read twilight. And it's i think you know. The first book came out when i was a scene at the end of my senior year in high school You know just about to head off to college. So i was just shy of the target demographic i think at that point And the other thing is that. I think a lot of the the drama and suspense. That came with twilight. I was already getting from anime. But that's the nerd part. There are so many late nineties early. Two thousand animates that gave that kind of like. Oh do you want a possessive dude or several possessive dudes fighting over you. Anime can deliver in spades. My god have we have. We heard the words you yasha you know. So there's there was a lot of stuff where i appreciated. The you know the kind of drama that twilight was bringing. But i was like i've already got my source for that covered and then finally what is the last great book that you've read man Da the last great one. I should have thought about this. One more. Because i i i you know. I'm reading just books constantly but the I think just to bring it really full circle. i really enjoyed getting the ninth. And it was. Because i think in tapped into that. Kind of same. Freewheeling humor infused in so much of the book that really got me back into reading with terry patchett You know it's the. I always going to have a weak spot for books. That are just genuinely unabashedly and exceptionally funny. Especially when it's a fantasy book. Omar little thieves is your newest book. Congratulations and can't wait to see what else you might have for us. Thank you so much and that brings us to the end of another episode market for joining me again. Her nose book little thieves is out. Now check that out also took out her merciful crowed polity and of course as always check out some of the other great episodes. We have with some authors. If you haven't already. I'm brock shelly. An until next time keep reading.

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Ep. 79: YouTube Banned My Shocking Virus Video

The Michael Cheney Show

26:16 min | 1 year ago

Ep. 79: YouTube Banned My Shocking Virus Video

"The Michael Chaney show pumping unlicensed liberty and financial freedom directly into your eardrums. Here's your host Michael Chaney clow. Hello Michael Chaney. Hey and welcome two days episode. We are talking about youtube by my shocking virus. I want to start with a quote. This is from George Martin. Here's one of the rights of Gema of thrones quote. When you around a man's tongue you are not proving him a liar. You're only telling the world that you fear what he might say. Let me give you a second quad this from Guinea to Shankar. Who's a Soviet poet quote when truth is replaced by silence? The silence is a lie so yes. I had a youtube video. It was one of my corona virus videos removed It was done as a livestream exposing the truth. About Corona virus. And it's been taken down banned by Youtube now. The reason for this you might wonder well what was in that video. You can get the full video by the way. Because I'm not stupid. I keep recording of all my own videos. You can get it over planned. Demonic PLAN DOMESTIC DOT TV. It was a very short video and had a selection of experts. Scientists doctors and other frontline workers debunking the whole theory. That Corona virus is quite as bad as the government is making out talking about the real figures how deficits tickets have been exaggerated. All of that stuff's all caught on camera youtube. It of Banda video taken it down and this is widespread now. This is going on in a widespread. Why is not going to talk about today? It's not just me It's not just other people that are trying to go against the mainstream narrative. It's the going against entire governments now an entire countries. It's not just youtube either so we're going to dive into a safe. You want to watch the video and find out why they banned it and what was banned get over to plan DEMOC DOT TV. So let's talk about Youtube first off. This is a piece from verdict quo. Youtube will ban any content containing medical advice that contradicts World Health Organization Corona virus recommendations according to CEO. Susan Watch cheeky a which cheek. I don't I appearance a name. The streaming giant company continues the streaming giant has also been forced to change his position on placing adverts next to content relating to the corona virus in March Youtube announced that it would d- monetize corona virus videos effectively putting a ban on adverts before such videos ongoing policy related advertising on what it calls sensitive events content. Now I've got to tell you I. The video ipod didn't have many medical advice in there was nothing about going stuck up your ass to solve to corona virus. So you know Gerona viruses caused by you know dangerous rays from the planet. Vena neutron known none of that crap in their advice from doctors on how to distrust your government. It was advice from frontline workers on the front that medical death certificates have been exaggerated. How this is a not planned the? Democrats in it's all been planned as their response has been planned and the response to the pandemic has been over the top and exaggerate so. This wasn't Tinfoil Hat. Wacky stuff you know. This was real epidemiologists. Real experts doctors Nurses people on the front line. People have spent decades working with viruses and studying viruses and outbreaks by Szekely. Signed what the governments are. Timing is wrong and it got banned and censored by Youtube this continues. This is a theme that continues around the world. This is a piece from this piece from F- pay talking about the Turkish president here in various different Other countries as well That have been affected by this in the scene. A lot of censorship going on so again. This is the from foreign policy. Website quotes an increasing number of governments are also using the current health emergency to suppress criticism and undesirable information through the proliferation of laws against disinformation. Free speech. Advocates. Have Long warned against so-called fake news thing they would prove to be at best a well-intended but it'll conceived effort to address a real problem and at worst another weapon in the Teheran's arsenal now again. Several weeks ago several months ago people talking like this my set all this you know. Listen to people sign right now. You might all. This is complete. Bs these tinfoil hat brigade completely overreacting. This is what is happening right now today. In Our world the companies that are responsible for the information getting out to the population of the world off censoring a large part of the narrative and a large part of the dialogue by corona virus anything. That's not government endorsed a world. Health Organization endorsed is being censored and stripped down. Now let's say fair enough if somebody's going to say if you go to. If you inject bleach up your ass is going to cure corona guys then firing enough gun ban stuff like that but if people are giving genuine scientific data backed evidence that the pandemic is not as bad as it's been made out to be that the lockdown is the wrong thing to do that. Death numbers have been exaggerated all of which is quantifiable which is provable. And all of which is he cannot be traced back to the official government figures. Anyway they're just not really emphasizing it all these all these things that banner a lot of them and Mary shining light on what they have revealed anyway rather than what they're shining on which is the fair in the you know the daily death toll of people have died with corona virus. Remember it's always with. It's not because is worth and one of the video that included in that video Wasn't a government official explaining that if you're in a hospice and you had a few weeks to live and you died and at the time of death you tested positive covert you were marked as a covert death is is getting to be public knowledge now but if you put a video out on youtube or facebook it will get banned. It will get censored now. This piece again. On foreign policy goes onto say quote in countries such as Egypt and Singapore applications of fake news restrictions have led to troubling prosecutions of lawyers anti harassment activists opposition politicians and watchdog groups. See what they're doing here. They're using this an it's always about for our protection or we're doing this to protect your doing this fuel safety. We don't want you getting wrong information. But then now abusing that power. They're abusing the power of having the the control over. Who gets to see what the information that's out there and they're using it to arrest imprison people don't like the centers that speaking out against the government or against the official organizations and that is not right is basically book burning burning books like the Nazis used to do is what is happening right now. You might think that's over the top but it's really not a youtube. Video is the equivalent of a book nowadays in in our world it can give people information accessible. It can go round the world very quickly. And by removing and deleting videos and taking content down just because it goes against the mainstream narrative or it's not in line with what the government is saying. What the BIG TECH COMPANIES SIGN IS BOOK BURNING? Plain and simple is digital buck burning. It goes on to say this Peace Corps in Thailand. A man was arrested after complaining on facebook about a lack of preventative measures of Bangkok's airport. So this is a guy is not come up with some conspiracy theories not saying you know gone. Wear colander on your head run. Three circles round a headshot secure on ours is basically expressing concern that they're on measures in place and apple and he's been arrested because he posted it on facebook because he was going against the government narrative of what they were saying at the time goes on to say this piece quote a number of authoritarian and illiberal states such as Egypt as a by Jan Russia around the Philippines Honduras and Singapore taking similar steps by harassing journalists. Adopting new laws specifically aimed at suppressing fake news or using existing ones to target undesirable content on social media and quote. So this is the situation faced with now. We have this hierarchy of government and big tech companies that own all the content and they are in control of what they deemed suitable. And what is as they say? Hey desirable undesirable a what is fake. And what is not fake? Fake News seems is anything that goes against the mainstream news narrative or anything that goes against the government is saying is seen as fake news which is just a barn isn't it. I mean it's propaganda. One One don. Daren't let them say anything. Don't let anything get a foothold. Let's just ban everything that's dissenting against does so that people are only hearing one side of the story and I've seen this witness this firsthand in on facebook stuff band at the very abandoned youtube posting memes out every day. He probably seen some of them on facebook. I'm trying to white people. What's what's really happening. The fact that for example in the U. K. Many other countries. Now why over the curve? We're not at the P this many many weeks ago. We're now right down near the bottom of the roller coaster and yet was still locked down. France is talking about extending down to July. And it's it's already peaked. What the Hell is going on? And nobody speaking out about this because the mainstream meters feeding everybody in the fear. Every day of desks people guard their homes and trying to embrace this new normal. It's absolute bullshit. We've got to rise up. We've got to speak speak. How in stand up to this? Some people have started to do that. I managed to find a position that somebody in China decide about the censorship taking place on Youtube specifically for Chinese content and that was over wrong over on a petition website and it was basically saying that people could sign up and put in there. Yeah the voice and say look. I'm against this. I don't want people saying this quote from that petition here quote these videos cover news conference. This is what the petition organiser was saying. These videos cover news conferences from government officials current situations and reactions from Chinese citizens are affected and youtubers who shed of us on the situation based on factual news and events. Google has either removed the videos from Youtube or is removed all advertisements from these videos. Because that's the other thing they're doing. They're either delaying the videos. Banning the videos completely D platforming people in taking all the videos off all the very kind of minimum they're doing is removing the ability for you to an from ads if you video at this anything to do with Corona Virus Song and that's why found also on on facebook. If you mention the word that shall not be named if you mentioned that anywhere in your post you will get a dramatically lower reach in terms of how many people get to see that post. They are throttling back. Anybody talking about this. That's not the World Health Organization government or an official organization that by trying to stifle the entire conversation censor all of that. I also found a piece on spiked online while they were interviewing Sarah McLaughlin. She's a senior program officer. Eth- IRA which is the foundation for individual rights in education and she was talking about censorship. And how it's become prevalent in in this so-called pandemic a quote. She says quote the problem is this is coming from governments who are looking for excuses to censor their critics especially critics who are saying they. Governments haven't done a a good job. In responding to Corona virus. Governments are saying that it is fake news when it comes to Social Media Company Censoring Corona Virus Related Information. Some of this censorship is going to be state inspired. There are going to be takedown requests from government. And this is what we're seeing. They're all in this together. This is not a conspiracy. This is a fact we already know that. Bill Gates is the biggest donor to the World Health Organization and he donates to many of the companies in the pharmaceutical companies that are Creighton vaccines. We know that the Imperial College London has ties and is also donates to the World Health Organization. We know that the chief scientific adviser one of them in the UK as being received millions and millions of dollars from Bill Gates for his research in the past. He's now advising the government. I've even got proof. I'm going to show you in a second here Links to Bill Gates and the BBC in the UK that Bill Gates is wanted donors paying significant amounts of money to the BBC which is one of the main broadcasting institutions in the UK. Putting OUT TV and news and media reports these things are all linked. They're all in this together. The World Health Organization TO COMPANIES BILL GATES THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES. Crank the vaccines the people advising the government. The scientists are getting paid and getting paid off for the research and saw him by the pharmaceutical companies. The politicians IT'S A. It's it's ridiculous and then we've got the big the big tech companies. They're also in this and they're taking taking a as well and they're being told what to do. And what should be censored washing be censored by the government? So is absolutely crazy. Goes on to say this piece quote. This is definitely concerning. There've already been well researched articles that have been removed by these algorithms. Another concerns the fact that we thought we knew about corona virus or what we thought we knew has changed multiple times at least in the United States. We were first told. We didn't need masks than we were told. Only a certain kind of mask and now we were told we should wear masks. So it's possible that content which is automatically removed could actually turn out to be correct but I I don't think they're removing this. A lot of it is being removed. Not because they think it's incorrect is because it's against the government. Narrative is against the mainstream narrative. And they don't want to take that risk of losing funding or losing investment or falling out with government. They're basically toeing the party line in anybody that doesn't do that and speaks. Outline is being censored like I was literally overnight. I also found a piece on a Forbes as well. This was talking about facebook's specifically about facebook deleting at Corona virus posts which again I've experienced firsthand now many people have also experienced this. This is what it says quote. Those sites include Mrs. Sites that for victims of this though sites include medium buzzfeed and USA Today the journalists continues others. I personally seen screen. Shotted blocked notices includes staff the independent and The New York Post The Dallas morning news was also impacted. It goes on to say. According to a facebook executive posting on twitter is that there was a bug in a system that was designed to stop spam that representative said quote. Where on this this is a bog. An anti spam system unrelated twenty changes in our content moderator workforce. We're in the process of fixing and bring all these post back is what is why sites to that because I've seen it I've seen it first hand. If you make post and you put that word that shall not be ninety. Not It many many times. If you pull that word in a post you will not reach as many people. It's just it's just a fact it's an actual fact. If that word the name of this thing that shall not be named if you put in the post on facebook. They decrease the reach. They basically say their outer says if includes that shall not be named showed the less people it wa- point is that democratic all part of a free society or even something that we ever agreed to you know and yeah you could sell well. It's a private enterprise and they can do whatever they lie. But it's not even a private enterprises it. This is a public service that we all use. It's now become this thing. That BILLION PEOPLE USE EVERY DAY GOVERNMENT. Our government our facebook in pockets as well holding them to ransom what they're gonNA do. Try to buy back door into facebook. encryption by saying look if you don't gives that back door this is the earner acts remember you. Don't give that back door we're GONNA make it so that any illegal message Chow pedophile message or anything like that. That sent on your network Mr Facebook. You'll be personally liable. Unless she gives his back doors search everything so they're holding them to ransom then not an independent enterprise anymore their paw this infrastructure that part of this as Ed snowden calls it the architecture of oppression. So it's annoying frustration. It's is disgusting and is the press but this is what we've got to deal with. Now I did. More digging on this In terms of the World Health Organization and Google because I wanted to now. Is there any connection here between youtube videos been taken down and the World Health Organization because remember the CEO? There of Youtube was basically saying look. We're GONNA take anything down. That's not a that's not in line. With what the World Health Organization is saying? We already know that. They're kind of one of the linchpins one of the puppet masters this but I managed to find this piece on telecoms. I'm sorry this is about the BBC. I this is the BBC is also am now started. Plans to tackle harmfully. Harmful Corona virus. Disinformation goes on to say this most things that potentially harmful surely as something distinctly sinister about an organization designating itself trusted. Surely that's for other people to decide right now. Is the point here. Isn't it the moment it's other people? It's the companies themselves that they're getting to decide that they're the trusted source. Nobody else's as I said I found a piece on the BBC website at talks about where our money comes from. And you can see. There is a gates foundation contribution of two point two million pounds. That's in a given year. So Bill Gates is funding. The BBC which also ABC's main source of news media and it's time in the UK and worldwide indy. Let's talk about the World Health Organization then over on their own website. I found a piece and the talks about World Health Organization working together with Google says Will help organizations working with Google to share health advice through new and innovative platforms. This is part of the World Health. Organization's broader ambition to work closely with the digital world to promote and protect the health of all people Yes protect us from ourselves. I like it definitely what we need. And I can't imagine a greater partnership than The biggest and most overarching so-called organization bull and pay down by Big Pharma and the world's biggest tech company that has its fingers in everything satellites in the sky and is monitoring every minute of every day seems like a marriage made in heaven. Doesn't it I decided to dig a little bit deeper into this? They have this plan. They call it. The Global Action Plan for physical activity. Sounds Fair enough? This is the World Health Organization and doing this together with many partners including Google. Look at this. I managed to find a read. The sound this is from their actual action plan. Pdf this is all publicly available. This is what they say. They're trying to do here and Hans Data Systems and capabilities at the national and where appropriate subnational levels to support regular population surveillance of physical activity and sedentary behavior. This is the World Health Organization. We're not talking about some Corporation or some. You know some sites light company or something. That's you know. Specializes in camera technology or artificial intelligence or thermal energy. This is from the World Health Organization. They want to work together. Big Tech companies to develop regular population surveillance of physical activity and sanitary behavior. Now if you don't think that is ominous or sinister don't know what is working together with Google. To Monitor as trackers using for example the fitbit device and Fauria kind of an alliance with that to track. Everybody where you go what you're doing. Are you moving around? What's your heart rate? You know what you doing. What what you eating about? How much you sleeping each day? Unreal unreal now. This was all the stuff of nightmares and tyrants dreams not that long ago but now this is this is what's happening the World Health Organization. This is publicly available information as this is their plan. This is what they're trying to do. They're also working together. With Google Earth amp to excite here strengthened public health capacity facilitate management vegetable diseases in in resource for environments Again did a bit more digging on this particular project and basically what we're trying to do here is track people trying to use surveillance to track people's movements and of course disease as well but it becomes this this gray area like the censorship grave. Well who's who has the right to do that. I don't want to be monitored. WanNa be surveilled. I don't want people trucking my heart rate aware going. I'm eats Houthem. I'm sleeping each night. Oh everywhere that I'm going in the world. I don't Google Getting One World Health Organization game now. I don't tell me why cannot say if I say something that's wrong if I say something illegal or incorrect or incites mass violence or whatever you know racial hatred or whatever and fair enough. I should be punished. Accordingly four afterwards. If it's something totally atrocious. But not before on. I shouldn't be penalized for forgiving facts. You know it's not that this is a video for example was taken down. There's nothing in there that you can't go and fight check for yourself. Macho became from government sources the actual data as just a different interpretation of scientists aren't paid for by government are not on the investment or the board of Big Pharma companies looking at the same data. The crooked one's are basically saying this box. It's not it doesn't add up. We're seeing the nights that you're feeding us and it's not right you know. We've seen have missions that you're saying that you're counting any deficit Cova death. Even if even without testing the people can be dying from pretty much anything zones that tested for cove and its positive. Your marketing is a covert death. And it's not right. The curve is over. You know in a presidential briefing back in. What was it March? Those already covered already been picked Even reached the peak of hospitalizations. Already been reached lockdown in place after that date was pointless and futile. And this is what the experts are saying on the video that I put out the band so anyway. This is what we're up against censorship on a massive scale and not being able to say the truth and not been anything out of this against the government narrative. It's is horrible. That's why I built the site planned. Democ DOT TV. Go there and get the truth. I'm putting everything on there. I'm making sure I record all of my videos and I take copies videos of before they get banned. So everything's on there even. If it's been banned from Youtube and facebook you'll still be able to watch over PLAN DYNAMIC DOT TV. That's it for this episode. I will speak to you on the next home. Taika all bust. You've been listening to the Michael. 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