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Part Two: George Lincoln Rockwell: The Most Racist American in History

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Part Two: George Lincoln Rockwell: The Most Racist American in History

"Disgraced rock and roll true crime podcast launches March for teeth hosted by me Jake Bernie season. Three features Kurt Cobain Courtney. Love I can Tina turn XXX ten Tassie owned and another Rolling Stones observe this one featuring the Hells Angels running security and a dead kid on the dance floor get up to speed now seasons one and two which are currently available to listen to disgrace and on the iheartradio app, apple podcasts or ever you. Get your podcasts. Exit. My why I'm Robert Evans. I was that Indra guys lection solidly accrue from all around the room. This is a podcast where I talk about the worst people in all of history until you what you don't know about today is part. Two of our epic three parter podcast on George Lincoln Rockwell. The founder of the idea of neo-nazism, the inventor of holocaust denial and the world's first free speech warrior. It's. So believable yesterday, go to Johnson Katie stole. How're you doing? 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Talk about their ideological great-grandfather. Can't let George Lincoln Rockwell love him scratch that don't. They're going to be a number of there were slurs in the last episode. They're going to be a number of slur, specifically directed towards black people in this episode. I do not say, and we'll not say the word, but I will read a couple of the other slurs that are used usually just once, and then I will refer to them euphemistically thereafter, just so that you understand what's being said. And so I'm not unduly kind of cleaning up the ugliness. Kind of sweet spot will try to find it style into it much, George Lincoln Rockwell's career is America's premiere racist involved him following in the footsteps of Martin Luther King junior and basically trolling America's premier civil rights icon on January eighteenth nineteen sixty five when MLK held a voter registration drive in Selma. Alabama, George Lincoln Rockwell. Was there too in his own words 'cause education and run Mr Kuhne out of town that was Rockwell's nickname for Dr king us, Mr. see from here on out. He also called him Martin Luther you can guess. Yeah. Quote from. Well, Mr. C is a pro and I ran him out of danville Virginia, and I believe I can run him out of Selma. The only technique is to show these communist type agitators how ridiculous they are. Now Rockwell put together a ridiculous wolf. You're so silly. Wrap. Well, put together a cutting plan to ruin Dr king's voter registration drive. His first idea. Let's try and convince the city fathers to the clear the day of the drive to be inward day. Oh my gosh. Real creative. He wanted to hang banners across the entrances of the town. That said welcome in words to see day in some, of course, he used the full slurs in those cases, so is called both is different. Yeah. Different to slurs in the bath for branding. That's brand. Now. I don't know what terrible thing it is. Now. Awful. They're never gonna find you on Google that rock was Christ. Get it together. For some reason, the White City fathers of Selma did not think this was a good idea. So I just I just after eight here. This guy is to racist for both the nineteen sixties FBI in the White City fathers of nineteen sixties Selma Alabama the town that shot black people with fire hoses pretty intense. Iraq when we're like, whoa. Buddy. We hear you. But like what? Don't say that stuff. I don't say that stuff and ensure like we also we're going to we're going to send a letter try to convince him to kill himself. We're going to have beaten and jailed. Yeah. Legal. We're like the law or. Types of. Okay. Next Rockwall suggested creating a special day in so menu for restaurants to give out to jig integrators. The last time I'll use that word either. When they demanded service. It's painfully uncomfortable. Not at all the wacky stupid racism of the second KKK. Remember the second cake. Those were the days of the day. People larders those loppers Rockwell was whatever else not a fucking labor record was probably the greatest big in America has ever seen the patron Saint of racism here is part of the menu. He wanted local restaurants to adopt. This is gonna be like if you have like viewing party for like, breaking bad, and you like do puns on all the food. But it's yeah. But it's with racism you sound sound excited about I'm really not. I don't even wanna read it. But I'm going to and again, I will be a mystically referring. Yeah. Yeah. It's here. The restaurants of the city extend a warm. Welcome to see words, Jay words. Inwards apes babboons in any other juggle life seeking to enjoy communist race mixing benefits promised by Martin Luther seaward in honor of UK. Our chef has lovingly prepared a special menu of the favorite inward foods. We ask only that are seaward guests refrained from snapping it. Waiters nibbling on other guests while waiting for service the menu he prepared included quote, hot stuffed deviled Jew. Sammy Davis junior special. He thought Sammy Davis junior was Jew. I don't I don't. I don't know. I don't know. But that's him up a lot. But misconcep- that's terrible. That's not. That's too many words. Davis junior. But the name of Sammy Davis junior juice me like why did you call Jim Saturday's junior? I know I know much better. Let's not wanna give them notes on menu. But like, let's not like armchair racists. Fair. On this menu. This was not popular among local business owners either. He also tried to get local businesses to print posters to put in the windows every business in town. But no one was willing to do that either Rockwell also handed out dozens of AMP hate nanny records these included such hit songs as ship those inwards back, and we nonviolent in words, he hoped that local restaurants and bars would put them in their juke boxes. But nobody obliged him in this either. So that's good plays racism rock and roll. Yup. Of course, he plays racism rocket George Lincoln Rockwell at how he does Rockwell. They had to use it. He doesn't deserve it. But I. Serve any. No, no, no. He deserves one thing. And it comes at the end of this episode. So rock was able to get enough donations to fly Robert Lloyd, one of his most loyal stormtroopers into Selma with the hideously racist, Abe, costume Rockwell's. Bo was to get Lloyd close enough to Dr king because a spectacle that would get him on TV and presumably up more donations for the A N P tragically for the Nazis. Loyd was caught by the police before he could find Dr king. He was arrested next. According to the book for race nation, quote, Rocco into the courthouse to bail, Lloyd out and bumped into king who was attempting to register black vote now, irate Rockwell blasted king with all the venom he could muster. He poked the stem of his corncob pipe at king's face and asked him if he was man enough to stand up nonviolently and debate him. So he could bring to the world that king was using the local inwards, not helping them. We got to it, Cody. Wow. Jemaine me. They're doing it. They're really making it happen. Dr king actually agreed to let rebel speak at the meeting. He rescinded the invitation after he completely different races to actually hate Rockwall to assault trying to register at a hotel. When Rachael was turned away. He demanded entrance to the church were Dr king was doing his meeting the police arrested Rockwell for disorderly conduct now that probably sounds like a disaster. But it was actually totally worthwhile for Rockwell and for the AMP face to face confrontation. He had with Dr king became national news in the Nazi party, the attention and donations that Rockwell craved debate me coward debate me you coward. Mhm too awful sides. They're like, hey, Jan kill yourself. And the other one's debate me. And they both mean the same thing they both same goal to destroy him. All right. Let's think for a second just to cleanser pals, what an incredible human being Dr Martin Luther King was in how much he achieved. That's that's a nice thing to a little break mental break. You're just like, what am I change the world in an incredible way? Back couldn't use water fountains, and he galvanized a movement. And there were a lot of other people involved obvious, right who sacrificed and did a lot as well. But like just a great human being who will be remembered long after Rockwell has been forgotten forgotten. Yeah. Cultural icon, people talk more than any president more than any other figure. American figure on the twenty put him on. Linking on the five but put her on the one to put on the one on most of the money. Most of the money a lot of people call them incorrectly. These days. Yes, they talking about free speech and trying to get people to debate. There's a lot. Yeah. Because also like it's good his like Rockwell, not maybe we'll know about them or about them. And that's technically good. But it same time. It's real bad should know about it. He did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Pallet cleanser, okay? As this one American fewer spat, racial, hatred and lurid anti semitic conspiracy theories. The American Jewish community was far from silent. We're talking about twenty years after the death camps were shut down. There were Americans in their thirties and forties who had survived Auschwitz. There were thousands of Jewish. American war veterans who had literally killed Nazis with machine guns. These people were not about to let this motherfucker not fascist bullshit out in another country. However, no one could quite agree on precisely what should be done. Some groups like the Jewish American war veterans organization landed solidly on the punch Nazis end of the scale, and they did quite a bit of that. But most Jewish people back to completely different strategy. I'm going to read a description of the evolution of that strategy from the book American fewer by Frederick similarly, quote in the nineteen forty doctor Salomon anthill Feinberg of the American Jewish Committee, devise strategy of containment against that era's most three flagrant anti Semite, Gerald l k Smith Feinberg. Shauwie call that strategy dynamic silence or the silent treatment he later renamed it quarantine a term he believed more accurately described the process, the quarantine strategy included, two key components coordination among Major American Jewish community organizations to minimize public confrontations between an anti Semite and his or her opponents in order to deny the anti Semite a dramatic event that would invite publicity and the dissemination of information on the background and tactics of the anti Semite to the news media in an attempt to convince the media that in the absence of violent confrontation between an anti Semite and his her adversaries there was little newsworthy. In what the anti Semite had to say the strategy intended to quote, prevent the rabble rouser from becoming a serious public minutes by depriving him of the publicity. He needs to increase his audience. Good strategy, some Feinberg advocated for this strategy heavily and succeeded in getting the Jewish community to adopt his plan against Gerald Smith. It worked splendidly, but in nineteen fifty eight after Rockwell created Wolfensohn, the national committee to free American Jewish domination. No, one was quite sure. What to do? This was a new kind of racist. A trained PR expert who knew how to work the modern TV and radio media Rockall said in an interview near the end of his life quote when I was in the advertising game. We use nude women. Now, I use the swastika and stormtroopers us what brings them in. Yup. William peers one of Rockwell's most prominent stormtroopers and a guy we will be talking about in part. Three described Rockwell strategy is concentrating, quote, the activities of his small group under circumstances, especially chosen to provoke violent opposition anything and everything to gain mass publicity to become generally recognized as the opponent of the Jews. So he wanted them to fight him. This was part of why he decided to turn Wiffens into the American Nazi party. He wanted he and his men to wear swastikas lots of them specifically because it was the best way to trigger Jewish people. He believed quote upon seeing swastika Jews lost their cold, calculating reasoning abilities and became hysterical. Screaming with fear and rage at the American Nazi party. This reaction led Jews to in wittingly aid the movement while moving to stamp out Nazism. They were forced to give the party free, publicity, some juice, particularly Jewish war. Veterans obliged drop by flipping out and trying to crack his fucking Nazi skull, which I certainly understand I guess solid solid impulse. There were numerous brawls various an p events. Speeches and protests over the years often, the Jewish veterans would wind up tangling with the police attended to surround the smaller number of an Pieman in order to protect them. Another thing that never happened. Again. They were happening this worked for a while. But a little over a year into Rockwell's career as an agent provocateur that. That Feinberg guy the architect of the quarantine policy succeeded in getting the American Jewish community or AJC to back his plan. Now, these guys were not just saying ignore them. And they'll go away. This was not just being oh just enormous nor they weren't just saying that these guys were activists representatives of Jewish community groups would go to newspaper editors radio and television producers before big Nazi events. They would urge the media not to cover the story letters exist to show how this effort went, and they were always very cordial. The goal was to convince the paper to stop their coverage. It was not a threat the Nazis did claim that Jewish community groups threatened to boycott newspapers. And the like we reported on nasties, but there is zero actual evidence of this ever happening. The Washington Post, for example, broke the quarantine and suffered no reprisals in March of nineteen sixty Rockwell wrote the post a letter saying he planned to speak at the capitol mall. He invoked the specter of left wing violence against his totally peaceful demonstration, stating quote, some citizens have been threatening us with violence enforceable. Suppression of peaceful right to address our fellow Americans. According to. The law. Now, this was patent bullshit Rockwell. Absolutely had violet intentions immediately after that rally which turned violent. He sent a letter out to his supporters and regular donors saying his goal was to quote, provoking, aggravate, the Jew traders beyond endurance. We only knew they would attack, but we sought their attack our activity has been successful beyond our wildest dreams. And all of it has been aimed not at -education or waking people up, but it gaining power in only then can we exterminate the swarms of Jewish traders in our guest chambers. We've got gas change little anger. You make mad you. I want to talk about a little story something that happened to me in December. When I was in Portland watching a rally Koby him to rally a response to the metoo movement members of patriot prayer in the proud boys better to great groups out there. So after their rally which was cordoned off and heavily protected by police. They took a very long circuitous rack route back to their cars, and we're surrounded by a group of anti-fascists most of those people yelp, but some of them through things including bottles, which eventually prompted the police to use flashbang grenades on the crowd to disperse them after this altercation, which was heavily videotaped and photographed Mike cameraman was right behind Joey Gibson and one of his right hand men as they walked away and caught a snippet of conversation in which the guy looked Joey and said that could not have gone better there. It is. Is what I'm thinking the whole time you're reading this is what they want. When we talk about. How do you deal with the proud boys or deal with any of them? You have to keep that in mind that playing into their hand. And I do want to say there is something to be said like it's also worth noting. Because this what's happening today is not entirely the same as what was happening back. Then when there aren't large groups to confront them. We see what happens in New York City where they randomly Assam. Right. There's people they're there for protection. Yeah. Exactly. I'm not saying and fascists like street, activism is useless. I am saying this is part of a variable. Right. Right. Just understanding like you're playing into their man, and you might need to. Yeah. You might need to they might try to beat the shit at us. You have to like keep it in check in like have that aware understand where they're always frame it like that? Because like that's actually great that that is on camera. Yeah. But it's not the only time that we. We've seen those that that mask sorta slip off. Yeah. We're like even like the problem is explicitly say like, yeah. Go get into fights broke them. Right up. Right. Exactly. Yeah. It's I mean, patriot prayers motto is fuck around and find out right? That's like their their goal is that they want to trigger. Either wanna make you mad. So you get upset. It's almost like like Fash do care about your feelings. What? Oh, yeah. Oh, yes. Yes. It is like that. It is out and trying to tie. Those between a couple of days. That took me a second that now for the fourth of July nineteen sixty Rockwell planned a rally in New York City, this provoked outrage, which of course, earned Rockwell publicity. And a nation's warranty broke down completely when Rockwell was denied a permit to March, according to the book American fewer, quote, his 'cause became the cause of free speech his name appeared in newspapers almost daily and his appeal made its way through the courts on June. Twenty second nineteen sixty an enraged mob, including many survivors of Nazi concentration camps attacked him. But he was saved from serious injury. By the quick action of the police now, this was widely seen as a disaster by members of the Jewish community. David mcreynolds of the village voice wrote that the violence of the crowd did more to promote antisemitism than anything Rockwell himself could have possibly said now, I don't know if I agree with that. But it shows up political moderates of the nation's as Rocco's free speech case made its way through the court coverage continued to roll in even his Corinth, even though Corentin advocates continued to plead for everyone to just stop writing about George Lincoln Rockwell in winning appeal overturned the ban and Rockwell was actually issue. His permit. He never even bothered to pick it up. He got what he wanted out of the whole mess bliss ity and a shitload of donations for being a free speech warrior. Tony Lhasa wicks was a New York City police officer. He was the guy who protected Rockwell from an attack during that June twenty second nineteen sixty thing and he wound up regularly spending some time around them as like being part of their escort and stuff. He later recalled seeing quote too big mail sacks full of letters the AMP headquarters after that event. He said, quote, rob needed the publicity to get his contributions end to get around some of his financial difficulties rebel described how he randomly picked targets for his rallies. Once he publicly announced he was coming the public's for is he put it would stand on end local newspapers radio and television would give him just enough ability to guarantee the delivery of four or five stacks of mail to his doorstep Rockall said he received a lot of Atta Boy, George letters with dollar bills. Folded up inside the envelope. He said just the threat of his coming was good for a couple of grant. Literally what Joey Gibson does literally puts donation plea in every into every every single thing about rally, but I won't talk about Portland anymore. We get a little bit further. Right. Okay. You know, what it is? Speaking of donations. I guess that's not right. Pumped one. 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The result is the lifeblood of a political movement publicity. This is something rob wrote about quite a lot in nineteen sixty one he came to the conclusion that quote, the problem of building a political organization in spite of the enemies utter mastery of all means of communicating with the masses. I the problems reaching the masses any way at all. It does not matter how you reach him at first so long as they come to know you and the fact that you are at the opposite pole from those in power. It's just all it's just so familiar vu. Because everybody else's ripping off George. Yep. Budget cheap diet imitations of George fans. Just mister pip of racism. Mr. pips, wishing they were deck you Biffi. I just mister pip is a better beverage. I agree. I agree. I'm talking about brand recognition. But I guess the real Dr Pepper would be Georgia's dad. Yes. Doc pepper pepper. Yeah. I mean, doc rock is such good. Vans are musical cop rock, but with doctors and a couple of house for only hot cops cops for sure. So well, George was busy building the playbook that every other fascist Griffin history, which shamelessly crypt from Feinberg was not sitting on his ass. He had supporters write articles endorsing the the quarantine strategy and pointing out that publicity, just got Rockwell donations. They stated that quote, the most effective way of combating the Rockwall menaces to literally starve him out quarantine can be made effective if we deny him publicity. We deny him money gradually. He convinced people of the wisdom of his strategy. There were more fights largely with the Jewish war veterans, but by nineteen sixty one Feinberg get succeeded in drastically reducing the amount of press coverage that Rockwell received the quarantine was never total some stories always came out, but Feinberg considered success to be a measure of degree in the summer of nineteen sixty one saw Rockwall attract way less media attention than he'd gotten back in nineteen sixty by the end of nineteen sixty one the commander had started to get debt. Britt. When some members of congress urged a department of Justice investigation into the American Nazi party Rockwall saw this as a huge opportunity. He welcomed the investigation because it would give him a chance to show up in full Nazi uniform and spew his conspiracy theories in the halls of congress Feinberg knew this, and he actually begged the US attorney general Robert Kennedy, not to investigate the American Nazi party. Any got his wife in nineteen sixty two. When rob applied for a permit to March and Philadelphia, the local Jewish community initially wanted to lobby to have his permit denied Feinberg wrote them a letter begging them not to interfere with Rockwell speech, quote, you risk Rockwell Rockwell's getting civil libertarian support all the way to the supreme court in the publicity attendant there on without quarantine any anti Semite could become a national figure short time. He need only be dramatic and have plenty of opposition here to Feinberg succeeded Rockwell got to give his speech cared. He did not make the news from that point on with some occasional failures in lapses the quarantine against. George Lincoln Rockwell help this prompted him to veer towards the only reliable income stream left him the college lectureship. From nineteen sixty three on. This was his only consistent source of income. He never failed to draw sizable crowd much of the media attention. He received for the rest of his life was for the protests and fights that curve outside these events. Now Feinberg do not worry as much about Rockwell's campus speeches, mainly because he just didn't think college kids were dumb enough to fall for the Nazi Schick, this proved to be true college, lectures were good for money, but Rockwell himself knew that they would never get him. What he wanted? He wrote, quote, you can't convert people's attitudes by lecturing in reasoning attitudes can only be changed through emotional engineering. That is the key thing. It doesn't matter what the emotion is love fear. Hatred. As long as there is an emotion in a person. I can change him when I agitation in uniform, I want people to hate me. I want them emotionally worked up smart, man. Yep. Smart smart, man, hate him. It's made them smart guy. Fan. And so as the nineteen sixties went on Rockwell attempted a variety of garish and bizarre stunts. He did a cross country road trip in a converted Volkswagen. He called the hate bus giving speeches and harassing civil rights advocates like the freedom writers. I gotta. Got one of you describe this one he described this fucking hate bus. I mean, it's it's it's a handful of hate bus several several times, it's your classic VW bus as stated that you would associate with a hippy free loving protest bunch of surf bums closer. I mean, it says we hate race mixing. It's right there. We do hate what a bad bus. What? A what a terrible must. It's terrible bus. That's also had a racist dog that escaped at one point a racist dog. Well, he's on race. Oh, he said the job was when the dog like escaped he tried to play it up as like, we'll now some Jewish family like has dogged, and they don't even know it's racist. But it was like dude that dog's not racing talk. Just didn't wanna live with Nazis the cops like looking for his freedom. Yeah. Really funny that the dog's name was gas chamber. Oh years that trill. Yeah. That's true. Yeah. I mean, not after he found any family here gas chamber hate it. Not like unsubscribe to everything you've said so far. We about to say about that hate bus, Cody. I think it's funny that the hate bus will a hate isn't quotes. Yeah. So quote hate bus. But it says several times Lincoln Rockwell's hate bus. Yeah. You wanted to make sure that you knew it's his eight bucks. Not on the other. Hey, this is looking Rockwell's. Hey bucks. There's a lot going on that. Hey bus. Real real fun time should use GL. Art. Nineteen sixty five the Mississippi freedom Democratic Party held elections for three representatives the attempted to seat the three women who won during the Roku for that year's opening session of congress. It was an act of protest basically protesting. The fact that there wasn't good black representation in congress. We're going let our leaders, and we're gonna try to sit him in congress, and you know, they'll get kicked out, but it'll get it was it was a smart idea for protests generated a lot of publicity Rockwell attempted to suckle some of that publicity for himself having two of his men, including that guy Lloyd with gorilla suit show up to watch the proceedings Lloyd managed to find an empty room and changed into his incredibly racist costume. There's a picture from a cover of stormtrooper magazine where this was written about I gotta give this one to Cody since the bus gaining. It's a smaller image. Woo. It's ghastly, right? That is that is face. Face. I when I first read it was like, oh my God, the headline though geo, no. US Nazi in black face. Ridicules. Mississippi N words in congress is the name is the title. It's title of the article is titled article, stormtrooper magazine, stormtrooper magazine. I know it's docking racism in stormtrooper Mets. Oh my God. That'll be up on the site. Vine the bastards dot com 'cause the slur is pretty small, it's a small image. But it's it's there it's it's there. It's something that happened. So Lloyd sprinted from his changing room directly into the halls of congress. I'm going to read a quote from four racing nation late race out of the room down the hall to the exclusive stairway that only members of congress us. He bolted up the stairs to the lobby level passed to slouching policeman. As he knew the chamber entrance of black doorkeeper spotted him and move to block his path, but Lloyd running at top speed slammed shoulder into the man went through the door and jumped into the well of the house donning his stovepipe hat. He ELD I'm not gonna use he yelled this in like a racist. Diction trying to like, I'm the Mississippi delegation. I demand to be seated members of the house were stunned by the intrusions total silence filled the room as Lloyd jumped in dance making unintelligible monkey noises. Legitimately crazy. Yeah. Sounds I mean was a mentally element. Loyd was a mentally ill man that rock will use to do stuff. Yeah. But still that's like, yeah. Thing that have. That's the thing that happened. I'm not getting into it in this because there's so much to cover but the book for raise the nation. Does a good job of talking about the kind of people who became Rockwell storm troopers, and they were all pretty broken into right? Not all of whom would stay Nazis their whole lives. It's good. Yeah. The vent was considered such a propaganda coup that a picture of Loyd made the next month cover stormtrooper magazine, which just looked at the exceeded in drawing up some, publicity and some donations. But the American public short attention span insured their interest inevitably faded with time Rockwell continuously searched for a way to get people emotionally worked up the next year. Nineteen sixty six was a time of great unrest in the United States. There were numerous rights across the east coast near the end of that year in Chicago, the housing authority made the decision to try and relieve some of the overcrowding in their ghetto by expanding public housing. Some of the less populated parts of the city. However, the less populated parts of the city were white people were infuriated at the idea of maybe living close to black people. Martin Luther King junior showed up to try and help the people make the world a better place. Do things the Martin Luther King junior de those classic classic things. Okay. Thanks, so Rockwell showed up as well to try and stoke the fires of racial resentment. For power and profit. He gave a speech at Marquette park where he said, quote, you're working every day to pay taxes to breathe little black bastards, you're subsidizing negro mothers who produce this little black scum for pay. And then when they don't have any place to live. They wanna come and take your house and neighborhood. Yup. Notice he did not say the n word there, he racial slur there for him. Hey, this is good for him for him. This is part of a tactic that works incredibly. Well. Yeah. Now, this all came in the middle of the Shiism within the American national Nazi party Rachael had come up with a brilliant slogan. Something he thought would really take off among the American public. You wanna guess what? His two words slogan. Was that he invented America's best white power. We what? Yeah, he invented white powder. Upsetting real innovator. Wow. Wow. He's done. So many did so many of these now he's the guy form of. Oh. Like, invented neo-nazism Lacoste nihil trolling colleges for free speech purposes to raise donations and white power. And we're not done such a big legacy. Are you going to add to the list these start saying like, it's okay to be white? And like painting that on college campuses to not quite not quite ooh. Klay seed. Yeah. Did he sell brain Bill? He would have been selling rainforest. 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This is monster zodiac killer. Listen and subscribe at apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app. We are back when we last left off Rockwell Hedda invented a slogan called white power. And he was flirting with what with the author of fruition nation calls did not sophistication of the American Nazi party vacation. Or do. You not vacation you gotta tone it down. So there were two bit yet Brockwell side was basically like we need to be a little bit less explicit about the Nazi stuff because that's not getting votes, and we need to focus more on white identity. White people behind this also something we see today. Yeah. Yeah. I thought that. But I okay. But according to Jordan Peterson doctor Dr. The right didn't start playing identity politics until very recently in response to the left. Yeah. I got my first question with that is was nineteen sixty six recently. No, really not a while while ago fascinating. Yeah. Interesting. Interesting confused, it's possible. He he's disingenuous and playing from the same handbook is the fewer of the American Nazi party. No, no, no, no, not Dr Jordan be Peterson. And he wouldn't I suppose it's possible. But it's not probable not problem. Probably not probable, speaking of not probable. Ooh. George Lincoln Rockwell's incredible success in Chicago. So he had t-shirts and placards printed up with the phrase white power on them. He worked the phrase into his speeches in Chicago marking the first time the white power slogan was ever used one of his stormtroopers. John Pat ler. Also coined the phrase the color of your skin is your uniform, which if you spend a lot of time listening to Nazis talk about their apocalyptic race war fantasies that line comes up all of the God damn time to me. Oh, jeez. Yeah. Yeah. Goat the goat? Yeah. He's he's the goat of American races. I e he's definitely are in that earned that we're not. We're the won't won't vote. I mean, just. I mean, just. Do go and keep it. But like gross of all time resist of all time the grossest of all time. There we go. There we go. I could probably do better. But I'm on the gross old as whole. Yeah. S time. A good talker. Talk. We'll figure out there Chicago marked the first and only time Rockwell and his Nazi saw mainstream penetration for their rhetoric stoking. The fires of white fear and resentment of black people worked way better than anti semitic conspiracy theories on August. Sixth nineteen sixty six Martin Luther King junior. Let group of marchers. Threw gage park. He was met by an enormous crowd of counter protesters organized and radicalized by George Lincoln Rockwell. They numbered more than twenty five hundred the crowd carried placards and banners and blessed with Rocco quotes like join the white rebellion. And we worked hard for what we got. Thousands of furious voices shouted white power it king in his Conrad. It's they threw things they assaulted them. It was a violent attack on Dr Martin Luther King in his marchers. One of king's comrades at the time guy named Andrew Young later recalled quote, the violence in the south always came from a rabble element. But these were women and children, husbands and wives coming out of their homes in becoming a mob, and in some ways, it was far more frightening. Dr king himself was shocked at the ferocity of the violence. He and his marchers. Faced in Chicago saying, quote, I've never seen anything like it. I've been in many demonstrations all across the south, and I have never seen even in Mississippi Alabama mobs as hostile hate-filled. It was a huge victory for Rockwell white power took up as a concept, and as a slogan and still remains popular among shitty. Raises today Rockwell did not succeed in converting the whites of Chicago into Nazis, but he made powerful in roads into radicalizing them. The Chicago open housing protests would prove to be the high watermark of George. Lincoln Rockwell's career almost exactly one year later on August, twenty fifth nineteen sixty seven George Lincoln Rockwell rolled down to a laundromat in Arlington Virginia to do a load of laundry. He forgot his bleach and as he headed out to his car to go. Get it to shots were fired into the window of his nineteen sixty eight Chevy. He fell out and landed face up in the parking lot dead from a gunshot wound to the heart at age forty nine. The killer was not an anti-nazi activist or an aggrieved Jewish veteran or anyone like that. It was John Pat ler former US marine and one of Rockwell's longest-serving stormtroopers the gun used appropriately enough was a German Mauser pistol Naza gun to kill the Nazi. To kill the nuts. Peddler and Rockwell had a somewhat contentious history. Pat, layer quit and rejoined the party a few times and was distrusted by many of the movement because he was a Greek and thus not white enough. Some of the Nazis Senate is off, bro. Zaari? He was also considered a suspected Marxist for reasons that are included there always suspected Martius. Oh my God. That was the best thing it also recently pushed him out of the an p. And so it was yet peddler was convicted of murder in the first degree. Rockwell's funeral was his controversial as his life had been as veteran. He was entitled to a military funeral at a state cemetery. But the military would not allow his followers to wear Nazi uniforms or fly Nazi flags at a cemetery filled with American war dead. Many of whom had died fighting the Nazis smart move. Smart moves decent solid. Call. This. Become a Nazi? You've just invalidated your time fighting knots so could not could could've done without it. But at least there are no Nazi flags. Well, then try the they the Nazis with workflows body tried to show up in force their way insure the regalia, which led to a six hour, standoff wells, hearse and military police of intially the Nazis back down in cremated Rockwell. Instead. Oh, okay. There's a not entirely heartbreaking code to this. Although I guess Neo Nazi getting shots. Not that bad. Either. Peddler got out of prison was only in there for twenty some odd years. Twenty two years in his story is the closest thing to uplifting, you're going to get out of this whole mess. His son actually wrote the afterward for the book for racing nation. It is a heartbreaking and compassionate essay. Well worth reading in it, he talks about his father's like abusive, childhood the things that a lot of the king. Who became Nazis things Rockwell head endured as a child, and like how these broken people came to such a hateful. It's very in inciteful in compassionate. Look by someone who, you know, grew up with a dad who had done all this. And in the essay, Pat ler sun relates this story about his father from after he got out of prison quote one night in Richmond Virginia after leaving a restaurant. My father stood silently by my car with his eyes frozen on the ground in a somber tone. He said I should have been with them with who I asked I should have been with Dr king in the civil rights people back, then he answered they were truly might people. Not those Nazis. It's pretty heartbreaking. Yeah. Chills. Yeah. For his part. George Lincoln Rockwell did not leave much behind his estate was just two hundred fifty seven dollars in cash a corncob pipe in a bunch of racist pamphlets, but Rockwell's real legacy would prove to be much more extensive and much deadlier than any fortune could ever have been, and that's what we will be talking about in part. Three of this podcast, the sixty year long spree of murders bombings and hatred that all sprawl on sprung spawned from the mental joins of George Lincoln Rockwell. You could say for him. It was one. A whole lot of Crete one pump. Lots of creamed creamed as nuts from that man stream penetration. Penetration. God that we're just makes me so happy. So what do you guys think about George Lincoln Rockwell pieces shat not fan not a fan? It is a sounding to here all laid out like this. How directly he has is responsible. Every every single time. I come on this show, by the way, here's history. But now. Thrilled. Yeah. Many things. Yeah. What do you think he would be? He wouldn't be would he be a Republican? Would he be liberal because liberals are the party of anti publicans anti? Went for pro Israel. I think he. Yeah. I really have trouble telling with Rockwell intellectual dark Weber. I think that I think he would not be I think he would be kinda like Peterson not explicitly political in that he wouldn't advocate for a party directly. I think he would be more about trying to get an ideology across that works better now. Yeah, he'd be playing the resentment down grievances and stuff lifting up all the like like the logical next step of the white power stuff. He'd be talking about like why I need to be a white identity person like like a Mullah new, but more explicit Nazi stuff. Maybe I don't know. Because I think he he really wanted. He really wanted mainstream appeal in his his goal from the beginning. If you remember when the episode was to unite conservatives, right? So I think he would be explicitly political. I think he would be less explicitly racist. I don't even know if he came out around today if he would be explicitly antisemitic. Right. He played that doesn't play better. Some tea party faction within the part. He maybe go into politics. There's a good chance he'd been elected. Yeah. Too. Right. I mean, look, we've got king speaker. He was charismatic speaker handsome guy and some guys smart. Very smart. Good at branding. Yeah. And yeah, he'd he played in that. And he wouldn't be as explicitly like, yeah. I lot of questions about what rock what would be if he were alive today. But one thing I know for sure is that he would have worked with Roger stone. Yeah. No question. They would have been thick. Yeah. They would have plans would have so many plants what you're gonna die again. I think it was sixty seven or sixty seven he would've played up stuff with like Milo or because Milo is technically technically, he's Jewish right? Yeah. I think was so like Rockall black despise him. Probably I think he'd probably amazed him that would have made him despise Milo was Milos Milos attitude. Never had a chance of getting mainstream acceptance because he's just too off pudding, and he doesn't care like he's very noncommittal everything. And yeah. Like kind of chaos agent or whatever Milo doesn't believe in shit. Exactly believed. He wouldn't have gone through the shit that he did because he suffered for right, right? He figured out the his pain is pain drove to. Yeah. To be more of a Nazi? So I think he's a, and I don't think I think he would have been smarter than a guy like Richard Spencer. Richard Spencer was very cunning. No, he didn't play. Well, he I mean, he got the platform. He got that article about he was dapper, but he didn't play well after that play it. Well. I believe in anything. I Milo does not believe in anything except for having money. And I don't think Rockwall would have been I think he might used him at some sort of what I'm not like aligned with them. But just sort of using the movement and the the drive Rockwood have really gotten along with a guy like Steve Bannon who is political operator who believes the shit out of. Yes. And to be honest, that's more likely pairing than him and Roger stone because Rogers leave and shit either. Right. Donald trump. I yeah. He probably would have he probably would have or he'd be president. Just have one. Would have been the president now. Say playing this. He didn't know he didn't dodge two of them because he got shot to it's all that white resentment grievance stuff and Rockwall seems seems to know how to do it and to do it on purpose, whereas Trump sort of fell into it because he just happens to be like a rain in the last year of his life is when he really figured out landed on like, oh, yeah. That that's true. That's the thing that everybody. Yeah. That he can just sealer. No, he's a he's like kind of like white nationalist figure. He writes on Veadeiros stuff. The first to this sailor strategy article he came out with like two five or something like that literally lays out like here's what Republicans need to do. They need to play to white any politics need to get these votes, basically lays out like and be anti-immigration blaze out everything in Donald Trump's platform, basically and his whole ideology, gray. And it's just like, yeah. You gotta do. To back quick. I one point join me Peterson who hates identity politics. 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Part Three: George Lincoln Rockwell: The Most Racist American in History

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Part Three: George Lincoln Rockwell: The Most Racist American in History

"This is April and Cassidy, we're the host of the podcast dressed the history of fashion and this season, we traveled throughout history and around the world to bring you more of the fascinating stories from behind the clothes. We wear we traveled a central Asia tiller all about the resist dyeing technique known as e Kat and to Paris to learn all about the legacy of Christian Dior. We also spoil the history of a whole host of topics from plus size fashion. The clothing choices of colts listening to subscribe on apple podcasts or the iheartradio app or wherever else you get your podcast. I don't have an intro my audience because we are like two hours and change talking about George Lincoln Rockwell. And I am I'm just broken. It'd be it. There's only I I have to fix myself. I have to have to get myself back in the fight. I think this cathartic release of pent-up information and frustration will be good. You know, what else might be good? You know, what might give me back on this last part? Oh, and I picked it particularly all savory chlorine mouth. Just started. Flavor is man just did cut your tongue up. All right. All right. All right. The fly good taste them. Now. I'm jealous. You can have a dorito as many as you work one bite one cream. You have to listen to the last one. But the okay, but you should be listening to three with. All right. Don't listen to part three. Oh, katie. That was a perfect crunch. I do apologize to to Tamale and other listeners who hate the sound of crunchy Doritos person. Who's like, I don't like it when you crash. She's great. Yeah. But yes, she doesn't like Santa crushing. All right. We're done with the crunching of Doritos if you wanted to crunch Sean cream when you're trying to an IRA Mia yams better. I keep seeing it in my head different tunes. But I'm not going to do that to you guys one crunch. One cree. Ill ill cut that crunch and cream in the night. So kid, so. I so sorry brought this tremendously. Sorry. This is terrible. It's still the this cream which needs to be refrigerated is still off the table. It's it's it's still there. It was it was behind the sink like it was so. So I do wash my hands with hazelnut cream. All right. Well, it's today's episode of behind the bash not even introduce. What we're doing right now. This is where you are. This is a podcast where we talk about terrible people. And we're talking about one of the worst. There's ever been bad. The the fuck in j are token of racism, what's another foundational. The Bill Gates also racism the the Steve Jobs of American fascist means Steve apple. George Lincoln Rockwell now in episode one and two we talked about Rockwell's life is stunning variety of innovation. We're not at the bottom of yet. At the bottom. We really want to be at the bottom. And of course, we talked about his death where he was murdered by one of his followers who went on to become not a Nazi that and his classically handsome bone structure in his class. Glacier. Jeffrey, greatly new we're not we don't hate his bone structure, no taller than Hitler to tell to which is which is important for America. It would be amazing. If that's the one like if you transplanted Hitler in America. The only reason he wouldn't take off is sure I mean, it's the thing. The Germans are just not shallow and we can embrace a short fascist. Embracing that slogan for me taller. Today. We're talking about Rockwell's legacy. In addition to obviously, the legacy of trolling college campuses for donations holocaust denial neo-nazism. We're talking about a much more complex and bloody legacy. Now that legacy that ties in literally every act of far right violent terror. You have heard about in your entire lives. They all descend from G L are in the early nineteen eighties a far right radical improper Jay Mathews created what he called an action group. It's original name was the organization, but eventually he settled on calling it the order he recruited a small squad of others. Oh, just wait. It's even loser than you understand right now he recruited a small squad of other like minded men. The order was a fascist white supremacist terror group. It's goal was to stabilize the fabric of American society through violent attacks. The order funded its operations by robbing banks and armored cars, they carried out three murders, including the highly publicized assassination of Jewish American radio host Alan Berg in nineteen Eighty-four. The order was eventually infiltrated and wiped out by the FBI Matthews died fighting after a thirty six hour long standoff while they did not succeed destroying the fabric of American society. The order did steal millions of dollars. At least a million of which was never recovered by the authorities and probably went on to finance further fascist terror thirteen white supremacist leaders were prosecuted for taking Matthews money. So it's anyone's guess as to how many other violent racists. He funded the committed like twenty-something robberies accessible. Robert Jay Mathews, never met, George Lincoln Rockwell, but the commander had strong impact on his life. Nonetheless. This was thanks to a book. The Turner diaries written by William Luther Pierce Pearson. Started life in nineteen thirty three as a quiet kind of geeky kid. He later described himself as sort of a nerdy kid without social skills. He was awkward around girls obsessed with science fiction when he grew up. He became a pretty good physicist. All right Pierce became aware of Rockwell in nineteen sixty three when he saw the commander on TV addressing a crowd of protesters who'd into one of Pierce's co workers who was interviewed later by the FBI quote. He was looking for a simple solution to the problems of the world. That's he isn't provides that imple- solutions to complex problems just blame it all on the people with three things around their names. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There is a report the Turner legacy published by the international center for counterterrorism. Here's how it summarizes the path. Of Pierce's radicalization. Quote, you can do nothing until you've reached the masses Rockwell. Explain it in an interview in order to reach them without money without status without a public platform. You have to become a dramatic figure. Intrigued Pierce wrote a letter to Rockwall and they struck up a correspondence in nineteen sixty five Pierce moved from academia to work with a defense. Contractor in Connecticut, and he began driving on weekends to the Washington DC area where Rockwell was based the also spent time at the university library reading alarmist books about racial trends. Many dating back to the nineteen twenties and thirties as his relationship with Rockwell was blooming Pierce was granted a secret government clearance through his job. Although he never worked on a classified project. He rarely displayed his racism to co workers when the FBI opened an investigation of Rockwell's American Nazi party agent spoke to his former colleagues many found him distant and impenetrable and express their intense dislike of him as a person nevertheless, they conceded. He was a first class physicist, doc, okay? It's it's just science science science Ray science. In nineteen sixty six Pierce was responsible for launching national socialist world, a quarterly journal of all things Nazi the NS w eventually attracted more than a thousand subscribers. It was one of Rockwell's AMP's few profitable endeavors after Rockwell's assassination Pierce went on to found a group called the National Alliance. But his true love was writing unspeakably racist fiction in nineteen seventy eight he published his opus the Turner diaries, pure and a near future world in nineteen ninety one. When a new American government called the system enforced, racial integration. Since Pierce was a Nazi he imagined. The system is run by Jewish people with black people as their enforcers the system in the Turner diaries is portrayed as the ultimate fired fantasy of a far left government tax breaks for mixed race couples the repeal of rape laws because they're seen as a fronts to race and gender equality, and of course, gun confiscation. The book is written as a series of diary entries from a man Earl Turner who twins a terrorist group called the order and takes. Part in violent revolution to conquer the United States for white people. The order funded itself through Bank and armored car robberies this acid left wing and Jewish politicians in media personalities, and bombed government buildings. This eventually sparked a gigantic race war leading to a global genocide of all non white peoples in the establishment of a caucus oh aid utopia. This was the happy ending of the happy ending the book, it's not explicitly Nazi through most of it. But at the end, they refer to something happening as being one hundred thirty years after the birth of the great one, of course, Adolf Hitler. Yeah. He's a nerd. Like self admitted as Sifi nerd who was bad with women who went on to write racist science fiction Nazi nerd. Yeah. We're how that keeps. Adding. Despite its terrible Boston. Nice guys, the nice guy girls. Don't like me physics. Nothing's wrong with physics. Nothing's despite its terrible plot absurd. Racism, clunky style. The Turner diaries include some pretty apt observances about the nature of terrorism in one passage Turner notes that the system furthers its own destruction by reacting to the orders terrorism by instituting emergency powers clamping down on individual liberties Turner, also discusses the idea of propaganda of the deed, which started with anarchists in like the eighteen hundreds and his wife, president McKinley did not finish his term the organization prioritizes to tax do economic damage like Bank robbery because those things make middle class white people. The most frightened and uncomfortable, quote, would is really precious to the average American is not his freedom or his honor or the future of his race. But his paycheck. He complained when the system began busing his kids to black schools twenty years ago, but he was allowed to keep his station wagon and his fiberglass speedboat. So he didn't fight. Not surprisingly the Turner. Diaries was Robert Matthews is favourite book, it directly inspired the creation of his own the order. The Turner diaries was required. Reading among the terrorists. Matthew recruited. According to the Turner legacy, quote when he recruited a former klansman Thomas Martinez into the group he did. So by handing over a copy of Turner, one of the scores that he kept in storage members of the group referred to the book is their bible, Tom in there is what the future will be Matthews told Martinez. You must read it. You must. Bet doesn't go much further than that. We're done, right. We're not. That's it. Thanks. You're Twitter's levels. Three the next paragraph. During his time in the AARP Pearson. Come to believe that the showy displays of white nationalism, the swastikas in Klan robes that invoke alienated what he called normal people near the end of his life Rockwell had been making the exact same moves engaging in a process of do not sophistication to try and appeal to more mainstream white people normies army calm, they might call them trying to read pill them about white power. Obviously, the Turner diaries did not have that much more mainstream appeal than Rockwell's A N P, but it did succeed appealing to a broader base of radicals than say stormtrooper magazine. One of those radicals was young man named Timothy McVeigh. The Turner diaries was Timothy McVeigh's very favorite book. Now McVeigh was not an ideological racist. First and foremost, he definitely ran with and was associated with some racist groups, but he was more of an anti-government pro gun nut than like a specific Nazi nut or anything like that. And he was of course, a lone wolf, but he did hate the government. He viewed it as a nightmarish, monster bent. On stamping out occupant liberty, and he saw the Turner diaries. As an entertaining blueprint for how that monster might be killed the structure of McVeigh's attack on the Murrah building in Oklahoma City was directly inspired by a passage from the Turner diaries at one point Earl sell bombs, the FBI headquarters, which is of course, the first place that Tim McVeigh thought about bombing decided the Murrah building would be easier Pierce goes on into exhaust detail about the bomb that they used to blow up the FBI building a truck bomb made with forty four hundred pounds of ammonium nitrate, essentially, the same advice the device McVeigh constructed and used to destroy the Murrah building cocoa on the day McVeigh detonated his bomb killing one hundred sixty eight people he put together a manifesto in an envelope in his car and included many photocopied pages of the Turner diaries McVeigh had highlighted one passage in particular from chunk of the book where Earl Turner, sell cares out a mortar attack on Washington DC, quote, the real value of our attacks today. Lies in the psychological. Impact not in the immediate casualties. More important, though, is what we taught the politicians in the bureaucrats they learned this afternoon that not one of them is beyond our reach. They can huddle behind barbed wire and tanks in the city, and they can hide behind the concrete walls of their countries states, but we can still find them and kill them. That's what McVay highlighted after blowing up the Oklahoma City bombing which included a daycare for the baby's. We'd way to read that line. But you know, we are just like snorts. I'll have different reactions to art in gracious interpretation. Trying to in one thousand nine hundred four year before McVeigh's attack the area and Republican Army carried out a series of Bank robberies inspired by both Matthews really order and the order from Pierce's book. Some of those people were later linked the Oklahoma City bombing the era put out a two hour video statement at one point that urged people to read the Turner diaries. The also stand hard for Christian identity, which is an incredibly important ideological movement. That's also tied in all of this. And that we'll get into more in the audiobook that I'm putting together. We'll talk about that someone get the into the Republican Army carried out twenty two robberies and seven states before the FBI took them down. They were succeeded by another terrorist group the area in People's Republic who carried out a murder bombing and robbery campaign in nineteen ninety seven that killed five and ended in a massive police shootout, both groups we're of course, directly inspired by the Turner diaries on April twelfth nineteen Ninety-seven. Larry Wayne Schumacher of Jackson, Mississippi shot eleven black people killing one. When interviewed later, his friends and family all said he'd undergone a sudden shift towards violent radicalism. After reading the Turner diaries. Through line. You might be reading into things a little bit. Yeah. Don't you sound like a conspiracy theories? I'm just acknowledging pattern. In one thousand nine hundred three white dudes in Jasper, Texas, chained a black man to the back of their pickup truck and dragged him down the road horrifically torturing and killing him one of the men gave the statement to the police. We're starting the Turner diaries early that is technically incorrect because the set nineteen ninety one. But you know, racist. That's going to just say, we're finally starting refining would have been the right way for this murder. Technically, not been one of the cops who read the Turner. In one thousand nine nine David Copeland. A British man set off several shrapnel bombs in London is targets were black and gay people. He killed three and injured one hundred and forty chimneys confession to the police Copland said if you've read the Turner diaries, you know, in the year two thousand there'll be the uprising and all that racial violence on the streets. My aim was political. It was to cause a racial war in this country year two thousand the list goes on and on and on and on there have been fatal attacks in Germany, Ukraine, and many many more attacks in the United States by people who claimed the Turner diaries is their direct relation as of two thousand sixteen the book has been tied to more than two hundred murders and dozens upon dozens of separate attacks and foiled attacks. Christopher Hassen the Coast Guard Lieutenant who has gotten to nineteen before he would carry out. His plan massacre was a huge fan of the Turner diaries. William Pierce died in two thousand and two of being an old piece of shit before he died, though, he gave interviews to a biographer in those. He was questioned about some of the attacks book it inspired when he was asked about Robert Matthews, founder of the order. He said this Bob was a very intense young man and quite different from the weaklings. I see so many of America today. Bob was obviously very much taken with the Turner diaries. And it was clear he drew a lot of the elements from the book and the way he did things and the term terminology used and so on. And so forth and so forth. That's not it. The turn your legacy went on to note, quote, Pierce, eulogized Matthews repeatedly in interviews and on shortwave broadcasts of his National Alliance's radio program with McVeigh. The calculus was more complicated. The backlash more severe peers took pains to say that he had never met McVay. And there is no direct evidence to say, otherwise, although McVeigh's telephone records presented in court showed that he made efforts to contact the National Alliance prior to the bombing Pierce was defensive about whether and how specifically McVeigh's actions could said to be have been disp- inspired by the book, despite a mountain of evidence pointing towards its relevance. Waco was the inspiration for Oklahoma City. Pierce argue not his book. They both were. Yeah. Yeah. I've read your book, man. But yeah, he used the same bomb that you described in loving detail say he had the highlighted pages in his manifesto after the bombing. I don't know that seems like a pretty because he was laying things like buffet said they were well, maybe the blatant. Racists, isn't great on understanding evidence with weird. We could talk about William Pearson. The Turner diaries all day, you'll get more on that in the audiobook thing that I'm shamelessly plugging so shamelessly, but this episode is above all else about George Lincoln, Rockwell's, intellectual legacy. And that legacy is a lot bigger than the trail of blood Bill Pearce left behind James Nolan. Mason was born in nineteen fifty two he grew up in chillicothe e Hieaux and like. William pierce. He saw lurid news coverage of Rockwell's, rallies and speeches. Mason McCain enthralled with the American Fuhrer at age fourteen. He started sending him letters rock. Low wrote back and Mason became a member of the AMP youth organization when you turned eighteen was inducted as a full storm trooper after Rockwell died Mason, moved onto the national socialist Liberation Front and eventually formed a group called the universal order. In the nineteen eighties. He started writing a series of papers for a Neo Nazi newsletter. Siege. In those articles, the advocated for what he called leaderless resistance autonomous terrorist action by individuals and small groups rather than coordinated large scale movements because the FBI kept infiltrating those. Yeah. Speaking of which on the subject of F, F B I infiltrating you guys. Remember trooper oak. Previously, pine Bertrand rights Broussard, or some very he was actually like a college student researching violent extremism who went undercover in the group to like write about them at stuff. Oh, really? Yeah. They got infiltrated a number of good stuff. Roma, man. Oh, all right because Birch est too. Yes. He was coward street. It's all making sense, we guess tree your oak and a cop apparently well Kettering, violent, extremism researcher. Yeah. Guys trooper oak. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Burchett. Not not the not the tool but able to buy one. Oh, yeah. I don't know what these ads are for maybe their ads for ads maybe their ads for ads. Let's hear him. This episode is brought to you by GS K. No, two cancers are the same. That's why GS K R oncology. Scientists are working on personalized treatments. One way we design these new medicines is by harnessing patient's own immune system to target and destroy tumors. And by creating new combinations of medicines. That work better together, we hope to transform cancer treatment for patients in the future. We're back. Yeah. We were having a fun little break. Chat about all the kids in cages, not cages, you're right areas or areas that are caged. Yes. For savior were safety safety boxes safety box and use the word cage. I would say. Pen for kids. Crib. Cute. Little mental acute little metal crib. We put them in nurseries with bars bars barred nurseries. All right. Let's let's get back to talking about James Nolan. Mason good. So Mason started writing for after Rockwell died, and he left start writing for a Neo Nazi newsletter called and advocated for leaderless resistance and stuff like that many of his writings were collected into a book also called see here is a quote from that book, the lone wolf cannot be detected cannot be prevented and seldom can be traced. If I were asked by anyone of my opinion on what to look for or hope for next. I would tell them a wave of killings or assassinations of system bureaucrats by Rovan gunmen who have their strategy well mapped out in advance and well nigh impossible to stop. I should note here that Chris Hassans plan shooting spree of you could call them bureaucrats elected political officials and journalists in the like, people know, what was stopped. All right. I think a lot of people think it was stopped because the FBI was out looking for a new white nationalist terrorists infiltrating these organizations. As they've said, they have no he was caught because he was buying tram at all on his work, computer. He was illegally buying painkillers. And that's the only reason I caught fire founded about the massacre by accident. Yeah. That was an accident. That was totally just a happy accident. They were just busting them for drugs. Oh my God. I feel safe. Say it's a real problem. There were a lot of people on his kill list. Some people are saying if you are in the DESA, maybe arm yourself. I'm not saying arm yourself. I'm saying the police aren't really good at catching the Nazis wanna kill you old organizations who like actively has have said in many many years that they're going to try to infiltrate law enforcement organizations in the military for these purposes, I'll say self defense is important for anyone especially the politically active and there's a Mariah of pathways to self defense. So consider how you plan to defend your so consider consider maybe love love. Sometimes sometimes that works with my feet in my fist. Wow. Then maybe body armor never been. A little bit about arming mutual aid in case mutual aid to. Yeah. Yeah. Magic magic. Harry Potter would be really useful like like like like a grand wizard like. No far to not use the words. Right. Well, you used. Maybe a war. Maybe a Warlock like a great war a great solid not a grand wizard. Not whatever. Choice of words, still not clear why but not thrown away, but I'll adjust Beckham subject of siege. On march. First two thousand eighteen atom often burst onto the American consciousness with the murder of blaze Bernstein, a student at the university of Pennsylvania Bernstein's murder was tied to a member of the group atom often because blaze was homosexual Jewish in basically, the distillation of everything Nazis. Hey, British journalist, Jake Hanrahan did a lot of that reporting, by the way, he's gonna podcast Popular Front. That's really worth checking out. He's a great guy. Anyway, atom often is a multinational terrorist group that sprang up like mushrooms on the damp wet bathroom floor of the internet. There are somewhere around twenty cells, perhaps more perhaps less mostly small groups all around the United States and in Germany, five deaths. Have so far been tied to atom often. One other thing atom often did was republished James Mason's siege. A book they basically consider their bible now sees has not yet inspired as much direct violence as the Turner diaries. That would be hard to do. It was sort of rediscovered pretty recently starting on the old Neo Nazi forum. Iron March over the last several years a whole online subculture has spread out around the book. If you spend a lot of time reading messages from members of the bowl patrol, for example, they bring up siege. All the time. You guys know about the bowl patrol had known you guys know about Dylann roof. Yes. Yeah. The guy who in two thousand fifteen walked into a black church in Charleston and murdered nine people yet a bowl haircut. And so there's people online who call him Saint. They call themselves the bo- patrol because they too would really like to murderer a bunch of black people in Scherzer's Mike God. And they love sees big fans a siege question. Most publishing these books. Still item often off them often publishing them that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. That does make sense. So yeah. The bowl patrol in animal often both bring up siege lot. There's also a YouTube channel I found called read sees dozens of videos that have racked up more than thirty five thousand views, which is not a lot for a YouTube channel. But is a lot for homicidal Nazi propaganda about thirty five thousand people that will probably just a couple of them. Just a couple thousand shooters katie's couple. How many that's not that many mass shooter thousand fans of mass shooter and a mass shooter book and mess. Your book the troll is specifically doing roof. There's also in cell from like three or four years ago. Elliot, Rodger Rogers. Yeah. Yes. They all fan, and they're all kind of gradually more faint like. Congealing together right into the same water ecosystem of people who are probably going to shoot up a bunch of innocent people. Right. Here's my resentment. Here's your sentiment. What if we are all resentful together? And what if we all convince each other that the Jews are a part of it, which is increasingly affect? Yeah. Yeah. Weird. How it always gets back to Nazis? Is weird you scratch any of these groups of like psychotic kids who wanna murder a bunch of strangers in always keep finding knots. Yeah, they fear the same thing. They want the same thing. Yep. We're weird weird. Although all of this news makes it way easier for me to understand stuff. Like, you read about the holocaust. It's like how did you find all those people willing to work at those? Oh shit load of them. Okay. Okay. Gotcha. Easily sort of moved across you can do. With them. There's a lot of maneuvering the can be done those people. Yeah. Cool. Cool cool. So the read sees YouTube channel has titles in it. Like, the lost white civilization of China and a thirty seven. We're going. Andy, thirty seven minute video, titled who were the Jews. Oh, informative. I bet you find out down a lot many of their videos are just readings from pages of siege would like to play a chunk from one of those videos, titled what can we dispense with president to dogcatcher? They are all the same bureaucratic Selo swine. No distinctions are to be drawn meaningless considerations of parties of left, and right and even individual identities names at cetera are simply not to be used to kill an ISM. You have to kill the ists. See O'Neill anti-semitism I have to kill anti semes-. Am I bring this up because it highlights and important difference between the mentalities nurtured by siege? And the Turner diaries atom often, the most directly seige inspired extremist group is nice realistic often suicidally, though, their name is the German word for atomic weapons because their whole deal is trying to bring about in eagerly awaiting the destruction of all society. And they have these weird ties now between like all these left and right wing, like eco terrorist groups in like ITO fascist groups, and like these leftist groups started us was like anarchists like individuals tending towards the wild or starting to share more Neo Nazi propaganda. It's weird because they all kind of not the exact same goal, but got kind of all one of fucking kill everything. Yeah. And and that's what sees is the book for Turner diaries as the book for people who are not nihilist. They wanna build something. They wanted by destroying some right? When a build something sees is the book of like bucket. Yeah. And I think that the reason the Turner diaries killed more people up. Until now is that now is the time of fuck it. Right. Right. We were. Yeah. Like all these stores, you were telling her like, oh, yeah. Nineties like, there's a different kind of attitude about it. And we were all even even the Nazi terrorists were more optimistic. We can build something together something together. Now, it's burn it all down. Oh, it's burn. It all down staying the Turner diaries was able to radicalize a guy like Timothy McVeigh because at its core. The book is not nihilistic. The diaries are good at inspiring wannabe be revolutionaries to carry out violent actions, seizures more suited to the kind of suicidal extremists that groups like ISIS also seek to radicalize, by the way, atom often loves them, some ISIS two zero lot of ISIS videos. Yeah. It's basically tailor-made propaganda for the kind of twenty something many become shooters. I we'll talk much more about siege. In the book. I'm shamelessly probably. Posner is is completely related to this exact topic. But let's get back to Rockwell Rockwell. George Lincoln did not come up with the ideas of leaderless resistance or lone wolf terrorism himself. Good for him. He did not write the Turner diaries or siege. But he directly inspired radicalized. The men who did if you scratch any ideological precept of modern fascism you eventually wind up back at George Lincoln Rockwell. For example, you all know about fourteen eighty eight of course, to most significantly those numbers to not say, yeah, it's basically for the listeners who may not know it's way too. It's a covert way for Nazis to signal their Nazism without directly putting a swastika on their clothing or body, the eight stands for Heil Hitler because h is the letter of the alphabet and the fourteen words are as follows we must secure the existence of our people in a future for white children. That phrase was first written by David lane. A member of Robert Matthews criminal gang the order while he was in prison lane. Also wrote a three page track called white. Genocide manifesto, according to the Atlantic at argued, quote, racial, integration is only an euphemism for genocide and that the white race is on the verge of extinction due to interbreeding with other races can stupid idiot. I told you why? Loser's stupid dog should ideas about everything. Oh my God. It's a conspiracy to get rid of. It's not like the natural thing that humans do. Yeah. It's all fear base. It's safe saying like, I don't want to be treated like I treat people. It's the same. I feel like I'm going to get over run. And I'm not going to have my power and the frayed was in the freight afraid of rape. The next time you hear white genocide out of the mouth of somebody trying to claim that they're like a relatively reasonable person. Remind them the phrase was invented by a Bank robber who got in prison for Bank robbery because he joined a group that was inspired by a bad science. I will say that wants talking about white genocide, positively they probably don't care. Yes. So Bank robbing Nazis. Congratulations on your great idea. You stupid saving. There's like a holocaust historian who is talking about this in like the fascist of today. And how like it's just like when they talk about globalism. It's like it's like a conspiracy to control everybody as opposed to like, we'll know like, we're all connected more. Yeah. Like, you have the internet, and you have all these sort of ways that we can do you think Kate hospital comes from the natural progression of like a species on a planet. Yeah. I look forward to less white faces as people like we're gonna be so much more attractive and have better immune says basics of diversity and Evelyn. It's it's these people I. So if you've ever heard the phrase, white genocide or seen a fourteen eighty eight tattoo, thank at least half of that for David lane and lane, of course, was directly inspired by William Luther Pierce who was radicalized and molded by George Lincoln Rockwell. Marietta's again. Like a John Jacob Ingelheim Schmidt hunger, Nazis, but would not say, yeah. You know, it's not for Nazis, the wonderful products and services this show ender program, so VI's checking her phone out. So I can get away with that one. Most serial killers don't make any effort to involve the media or investigators. They're very secretive. They don't want attention. They almost want their crimes to go on notice. But the idea of committing a crime, and then calling the police and bragging about it. That's a whole 'nother level of terror. Dear editor, this is only speaking if you do not print a cipher by the afternoon of Friday first of August. I will go on a kill rampage Friday night L cruise around all weekend killing people in the night and move on to kill again. The best part of it is that when I die. I'll be reborn in paradise. And all that I have killed. We'll become my slates. From the creators of Atlanta monster comes season two. This is monster the zodiac killer. Listen and subscribe at apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app. Ben. Here. Yeah. You'll heard of Matthew hyme Bach. No use the founder of the now. Defunct traditionalist worker party and one of the forces behind the first deadly unite the right rally, he was a lot more prominence in the alright until after the unite the right rally and like in two thousand seventeen he or to the eighteen he he got caught sleeping with the the wife of his spokesman again in. Oh, man, and the the nickname some people came up with for for that whole event, which led to the destruction of the TWA p it's beautiful the night of wrong wives. Oh, good. Well, clever hit really smart really really good joke. I don't know who made it might have been a Nazi Joe still really good joke. Now. Matthew, hind Bach was for a while the most or one of the most notorious white supremacists in the country. He gained notoriety early on in the mid audits as the young media savvy face of white nationalism, one of his innovations in terms of presenting fascism to Americans was to focus on racial separatism instead of white supremacy. I'm Bachman out of his way to say that whites are not inherently superior, Richard Spencer, preached a broadly similar gospel, at least two reporters Rockwell was more openly racist and fascist than either of those men, but he pioneered the use of the tactic. They both used. We can see the seeds of the strategy in his support for the nation of Islam and black nationalism Rockwell, total reporter at the time that is only disagreement with a nation of Islam was quote, they wanna chunk of America. An I prefer that they go for IKA high. Doc, basically refined that too I think they should stay in predominantly black areas. Like, Detroit and rural America should stay white in a very real way. Rockwell represents a bridge between the original Nazis Hitler in crew and modern Neo Nazis and fascists in America. I spent quite a lot of time reading through unicorn riots archives of fascist discord conversations, mostly from members of the groups that planned the first deadly unite the right rally, these people talk about Rockwell or GL are pretty regularly. Here's one quote today is the birthday of commander, George Lincoln Rockwell honor this man by cooking, a steak, celebrating national socialism, pride and being white and calling your neighbor and inward here. I have linked to play list to a series of videos about George Lincoln Rockwell that you can play throughout the day. Personally. I'm having out with some friends, and I'm going to eat lasting this shit. So funny. Yep. Yep. Yep. Cody, Cody mind. But. Oh, we losers. We had a barbecue. In play the words of a Nazi? He's been dead for sixty years edgy. All right. I I love to give a different definition of. I think he's a loser half fun. And always remember, and he quotes from aqua here. Life is a struggle. Even to stand up as a struggle against the law of gravity. And I think that the joy of life is struggle itself. Not the victory because if it were we'd all lose, we're all gonna croak we all lose the battle of life. So if you can't find some fun in the fight to live and live to the fullest than you're a failure already before you even start. For the fullest. Yeah. Have some fun. Well, you are making racist banners to troll Martin Luther King's with friend. Fun. What's the point with your friends like the guy in the gorilla? In the dude who shoots you in a couple of years for sure. Yeah. Real real. Edge words, just killing each other. And God had it explicitly say like me, and my we're like, edgy edgy edgy. I love it. I also love like there's a the whole like I just think that they should stay where they are which they want us uperior. That's literally Hitler quote. Of him saying like, no, I don't think we're superior. I think like Chinese people stay in China Japanese. You'll stay. In the access was a multi-racial implies, see you. See you see included all the races airman's Italians Japanese people that's the whole spectrum. I Japanese friends Italians prince one group of Indian soldiers. Yep. There you go in dish legion they were just they hated Britain Hitler wasn't racist confirm that that is actually how that's been turned it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, I also hit the internet. Don't worry. Kenner currents dot com. A Nazi website for fucking Nazis commission and article on Rockwell in honor of his birthday written by Gregory hood, author of a book called Rockwell was right? So gregory-hood analysis is interesting to me, quote, Rockwell's national socialism was not an ideology so much as a tactic an attempt to build a fighting conservatism capable of defeating the militant left rather than Nietzsche, Barron. Vullo or even Alfred Rosenberg the greatest influences on George Lincoln Rockwell. Where Senator Joe McCarthy, Douglas, MacArthur, and even William F Buckley? His inability to rally the American right marks a milestone in white political activism as George Lincoln Rockwell is the bridge between patriotic racial conservatism and revolutionary white nationalism. Not wrong, not wrong. Not relevant. Did maybe think of a lot of stuff today concert. Just just a random quote from random person random Nazi website. This is. Why a guy like Rockwell can influence both explicit Neo Nazi terrorists in much more moderate less murderous groups like the proud, boys. He's been anytime hanging out with the proud boys or watching patriot prayer rallies or watching videos posted by either of these groups members of them will regularly and proudly described themselves as anticommunist you go to any of these bloody rallies as I have you will see anticommunist action shirts and you'll hear the phrase anticommunist or anti com bandied about constantly in June of nineteen sixty George Lincoln. Well, went to court to defend his application to March at union square in New York City, there were huge protests of his presence some of which disrupted the court proceedings. A recess was called and Rockwell took the opportunity to go out and speak to some of the waiting TV cameras. According to the book for race in nation, quote Rockwell told television reporters that the A N P was growing every minute. But that his goals had been misrepresented by newspapers, contrary to newspaper reports we are not trying to exterminate anybody. But we are trying to eliminate communism. We want to shock the American people into the awareness of the extreme. Danger of what is going on after that? He said he only wanted to gas traders, which he expected would encompass no more than eighty percent of the Jewish population. I don't want to exterminate anybody. Eighty percent of the Jews traitors traitors. The population communism is the same thing as Judaism is Marxism. Same thing is any like any art leftism liberalism. That's a sticking point with people that they're afraid of. They don't understand and I'm like knowing that United the right to defeat to unite authoritarian left. Exactly exactly now when Rockwell said this little line about gassing eighty percent of Jewish people in America this caused many in the crowd to shout at him one person tried to attack him, but was held back. The reporter asked Rockwell hell he responded to such rage. What Rockwell replied, quote, I'm used to it? Then ever make such a fuss over communist speaking. It's only when someone is an anticommunist. No, no, no, no. There's more to it. In life. George rock was never able to unite the right, but in death, his ideas have gone on to have influence at every level of the radical right wing ecosystem. I would like to close by quoting the paper from the university of Glasgow the leaderless resistance, George Lincoln Rockwell and the white separatist movement quote. The advantage of history and political context allows an accurate appraisal of Rockwell in American Nazism Rockwell as a phenomenon has never been equalled in the American far right with his panache charisma ability to manipulate situations in gain media exposure Rockwell had little in common with many of his followers who are attracted to the Nazi philosophy. He advocated prior to Rockwell the extreme right was an exclusive resort devoid of Catholics and non Aryan whites. It was Rockwell who ended that exclusivity I care not what religion club area or class. You come from nor what bit of colored cloth you wave as a flag. We are all under deadly attack. Geo G L R G. Cheer for the guy. That's. I mean every single time we're on this show. Yeah. It's hard to come. You ways to say. Yep. Oh, and they ignore a lot of these groups acknowledged him and our in our very regularly talked at he shows up all the if you go to unicorn riots database of discord leaks of all these identity. Europa the TWA p it comes up constantly, sure. They love him. And he's he's, you know, there's a great book called everything you love will burn which is about it was bad guy. Who's like for like two thousand eleven onto this sixteen users hanging out with these guys like Matthew high balk in different fascist right wing guys and like decided during the twenty sixteen election. I gotta write a book about gonna I'm going to do this thing and Rockwell comes up in that like he's a lot of other people have made this connection. He is the I mean, he in in, you know, even when it's indirectly with seasion the Turner diaries. He's still the guy was talking to the fucking author siege. When that dude was fucking fourteen years old, right? He's the guy who gave William Pierce's first newsletter in, you know, started him on the path to reading the Turner diaries. He is patient zero. Or if the fucking plague that killed eleven people in the tree of life synagogue that lead Christopher Hassen the planet massacre. And it's going to be behind the massacre that may have happened by the time this episode, drums, so. GL are good. News fucker well at the I know I was going going for it looks like an are. We've been at this for a while. Lose get lost lost something one pump. Get lost Rockwell. Get lost wreck while they're you know, there's good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I liked his adverse reaction was much better than your. I'm still upset at my failure. I know. Wow. I mean, my brain feels a little mushy from all of that also horrified. Mushy fide much if I'd choose to not learn anything from this though. Yes is the right decision. All this history and seems relevant, but I'm gonna push my mind. Not sure. It. It'll probably be fine. I think it'd be fine probably fine histories for losers. Trying to find a quote. My favorite quote about history is those who learn from history shouldn't say anything because it's not important. This is what Lindsay from your the worst says about history. Okay. Whatever history. You happened already. Let it go. Oh, twenty-first-century right there. If you care about history and are worried about all this stuff. I have an audio book. There's a lot more that I had to leave out because I wrote thirteen thousand words of George Lincoln Rockwell. There's a whole lot more Christian identity. Talking more about siege. In the Turner diaries and a bunch of other stuff that we did not get to that explains. Dylann roof and owns other mass murderers the audio book that I'm working on. It's called the war on everyone. You can go to go fund me look up the war on everyone donate. I'll make that audiobook. And then I'll use the money to go stare at these people at rallies and ask them difficult questions leading up to the twenty and twenty then then all do stuff and. The worst year of everybody's life. I I really feel like the Democrats are going to get it together. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Theory that seems historically like what they'll do. Everyone will get behind one candidate do a great job of campaigning. The news media won't breathlessly cover the lies that the the president says about that. Okay. There will be no more fighting in the streets. And then we will elect an actual being of light who descends from the sky, and is just the the reincarnated soul of mister Rogers who will who will lead us into a future of national health care and moderate environmental activism. So that we can stop the nightmare. Yeah. Interesting. I have to say. Confidently that you think the Democrats will get together my heart lifted a little bit. And then you kept talking. I mean, they might. No. I think what you're saying. I mean, I'll say this two thousand eight when like before Barack Obama was like the candidate is looking at him in Hillary Duke it out, and I was like, oh, the Democrats are gonna fuck it up and after eight years of George W Bush, we're gonna get fucking this this mess, and then the best political candidate of my lifetime. Our best at least political campaign on my lifetime. And. Maybe we don't know it all everything starts so soon. Now, it's March the year before the actual March in by my count one hundred forty six million people are running for president. Yeah. Sherrod brown. Just said he's not running anymore. Oh, good. Yeah. That's good. I support. Let's. I like him. I mean, I don't like. I like he seems like an affable man that I enjoyed dinner with I wasn't going to vote for him. We need more coffee billionaires. Yeah. Good man that coffee billionaire because if there's one thing I don't have a joke. One. What cream puff? I think. We've come up with the slogan. That's gonna win into no matter who no matter again, it is just a buck one one. I know I'm imagining Cody picture. This new mind's eye a half a million people. Crowding the streets of Washington DC, flooding, the national wall their hands on placards shouting at the White House in one voice as one people one pump one cream. Oh, yeah. It's one pump on cream out one cream puff. I see that actually that very vividly. It's beautiful. I see the. Like a Phoenix American, right? Right above the powder. The powdered cream patches. The Ted Cruz. Oh, how did we get here? I it's three hours of this. Because when a plug your plug Ables before we start saying something freezing. Yeah. You know, internet weekly. We do weekly you. You too. Casts casts called even more news do weekly YouTube show called some more news Google that via patriot dot com slash some more news. That's good job. Yeah. That we should just like designate one of us to do. This each episode episode die like. Hierarchy of cancer. Do it this way somewhere between the him? Internet Katie still hot katie's. Mr. Cody on Twitter, also. Evans, right, okay. On twitter. You can find this podcast behind the batteries dot com. Can find t shirts is you wanna t shirt? I'm sure. One. Can we get it? Of course, we can get into tank all. You know, all stickers put them on everything. One like Rosie the Riveter. I'm there. 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Part One: George Lincoln Rockwell: The Most Racist American in History

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Part One: George Lincoln Rockwell: The Most Racist American in History

"Disgraced rock and roll true crime podcast launches March for teeth hosted by me Jake Bernie season. Three features Kurt Cobain Courtney. Love I can Tina turn XXX ten Tassie owned and another Rolling Stones observe this one featuring the Hells Angels running security and a dead kid on the dance floor get up to speed now seasons one and two which are currently available to listen to disgrace and on the iheartradio app, apple podcasts. Wherever you get your podcasts. Itchen my rashes. I'm Robert Evans. This is behind the bastards. Nobody like that intro. Sophie is giving me the cut signal everyone else just looks ashamed and heart. Tony's giving me the Tom's up. Politely smiling politely smiling? I'm Robert Evans podcast talk about bad people. The worst people all of them in history. What you don't know about him, my guess today, Cody Johnston, Katie stole. Oh, hi, how are you guys doing great? It really really. Well, I'm doing this. Would you guys? Think of my my intro. I thought it was good. Reiterate the thumbs up. Yeah. Yeah. That's scans. Well for podcast gonna do it again. It's physical comedy great for podcasting. I was fine with your intro. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. No. It's no what's cracking my peppers. But they can't. You gotta try stuff out. You gotta try stuff out. That's the only way you know, it works. And it's also a great way to get rashes. Speaking of rashes, while we're on the subject, speaking of a rash on our collective nation. Our subject for today is a fella named George Lincoln Rockwell have either of you all heard of George Lincoln Rockwell, minimal familiar. I would say base three names. He killed people not directly. But those are always the people who end up killing the most people. Yeah. Yeah. Indirect wise people who don't directly kill are the killing the world. Yeah. He's got blood on his hands. Well, yes. Absolutely. So near the end of February two thousand nineteen if you remember that far back federal authorities, arrested US Coast Guard Lieutenant Christopher hasn't with a cache of guns and list of liberal and leftist politicians journalists. He wanted to murder on April nineteen ninety five to McVay detonated an enormous fertilizer bomb outside the Murrah building in Oklahoma City last October Robert Bowers walked into the tree of life synagogue, and murdered eleven people between nineteen ninety five and two thousand eighteen we've seen a couple of hundred fire right terror attacks in attempted terror attacks and murders behind each of these attacks each of these deaths isn't individual terrorists with his or her own journey to radicalization, but there is one single man who shows up in the ideological chain of custody for every single act of right wing terror in our lifetimes that man is George Lincoln Rockwell. There we go so excited trial in the worst way. Possible y'all where when when I knew I was doing GL are what we call high. I knew the hour. The only possible guests for this shit that touching. You also produce regular terrified content about the horrifying things happening in our country. This guy makes a lot of that make more sense because he's worth most of it starts. So this week's three part episode is the longest podcast I've ever written. A couple thousand words, it started initially as a five part special episode. I wanted to go into detail about all the bastards behind our current wave of right wing terrorism. There's a fascinating terrifying. Intellectual history there. I think it's very important for people to know rock was just going to be one part of that series. But then I wrote thirteen thousand. We are. I am still going to put together a five part audiobook on all the bastards who invented right wing. We'll talk about that a little bit of the individual episode special. He's the grandfather of all modern American fascists. He started the sort of fight that we're all in right now, if you consider yourself some that had to fight, it's it's terribly. Exits. And it's a ridiculous fight. Let's get into it. Rockwell was born on March ninth nineteen eighteen in Bloomington. Illinois, so lake me. He's an Illinois baby. Oh, I see the similarities in the connections already. Yeah. I mean, he just wait. Now, he was the oldest three children your parents were both Advil performers. His dad was somewhat famous pretending to be a doctor in a bit. That does not translate down to the decades. I've read a couple of descriptions of it, and I can't understand joke supposed to be. But I love that. Oh, you really you had to be there. You had to be alive in the twenties. You had to be there for thirty years before that. Because I feel like that's true for all comedy. Does not translate. No. I was just watching a movie I used to love the second ace Ventura movie even ten years passed like last point. I watched it. I was like oh boy. A lot of this stuff. Does not. Now, his dad's nickname was doc because of the affirmation bit where he pretended to be a doctor in the biography. I read of Rockwell for race and nation claims his dad was an egomaniac, quote, a nephew recalled that the sun went up and down on what he was doing period and other could not recall one instance of affection expressed by Dr towards Lincoln, doc Rockwell lavishly entertained show business friends who journeyed from New York to Southport for little rest and relaxation. So Georgia's parents divorced when he was young. And so he split his time between show biz hang out with his narcissistic, dad and languishing with mom and his overbearing racist aunt, one of his cousins described that side of the family as Archie bunker types. Zim racism anti-catholicism, an anti Italian sentiments were all common at home. But racist talk was kept inside the family longs. His dad was not antisemitic for that. Because even show business stuff. So a lot of Jewish friends and whatnot. So that was that his cross aunt Girsaing and probably probably, mommy. Mommy. Literally, everyone was racist, by modern standards, then. But I'm I mean, you know, what props for them to to keeping it inside the house keeping it in the family, although they they did not because it boil over. The most possibly could. Right, right. I'm trying to. Yeah. Forgetting where the story's going, although I should note that his family expressed nothing but shock and shame at the beliefs Rockwell would pedal as an adult, so whatever that's worth. Doc to doc Rockwell as a teenager, George Lincoln Rockwell worked as a waiter in a tourist hotel on the coast. He angered easily. That's a surprise and would regularly. Get revenge on female patrons who he thought had annoyed or slighted at him in some way, his favorite method of doing this was rubbing syrup soaked rag on doorknobs pocketbook handles light switches and anything the women might touch what a little emp what a in. So. They all are. Resentful of being slighted by random women that he works for what you've said except for the stuff about the comedy. That hasn't translate is very applicable to the modern. I know except for these present. I mean. Trust the door handle that I've been around lately because I got a syrups crack in my pocket at all times. I don't do that anymore after I slided you that one time after sledded me. Exactly, exactly. I mean to be honest. Most of what I use the rag for now is in case. There's like a pancake emergency obvious. Obvious smart. Just just good planning, my favorite jam ban, hand cake emergency. When they played at red rocks. On the syrup sensation that one day of that year when the plate is red rocks, solid jam in this Nazi podcast. George walk Lincoln Rockwell grew up mean and tall into lantern. Jawed six foot four inch adult he had a commanding presence and almost pathological need to impress or intimidate everyone. He met is high school yearbook said this about him quote without question Lincoln is the loudest talker on the campus the originator of more weird theories than anyone else. And the academy's outstanding artists we have every assurance of his being successful because of his incomparable personality and originality. These important. That's good. You could say a lot of things for George Lincoln Rockwell, most of them terrible. But he wasn't original. I think you'll agree with that. By the time we come around issues with this guy. Originality like the cut of this on with this guy. Let's keep cutting into the gym. I don't know. What did you have is George went to Brown University? But he did not enjoy it. He was your tainted by the progressive ideals of his professors with little political correctness existed in American universities in nineteen thirty eight. It was too much for hock. Well. These thugs directly onto the black people. U P C police. Oh. According to his biography. He later claimed he never bought the idea of human equality. Okay. Okay. It's not sale, man. We just think people people it's not a product to. You're not you're not selling that to George to G L. Are he got a job at the school paper, and he drew political cartoons? And we're worse columns. A lot of his work was killed by his editors before even being published political cartoons. Ship right there. But I feel like if you just take a been garrison. I wanna see like this Rhodope and carrots. I bet that too. He cites as inspiration. Gotta be it's gotta be you will not be the only person now Rockwell school where it was not much better. At one point. He got an assignment to write about the factors that led to criminal delinquent behavior and young people rather than doing research and writing a scholarly article Rockwell wrote essentially a speculative Sifi fable about scientists in Africa that was the title scientists. According to this fable, he wrote these scientists were quote studying why ants acted like ants? They searched around until they found a lot of anthill observed them for many years and finally came up with the discovery that when aunt eggs were hatched in tunnels in a certain kind of hill in Africa in group among sixty good creatures called aunts. They themselves are so affected by the strong environment that they became themselves. Aunts and waved their antenna like ants screwed around aimlessly like ants looked like ants, and we're aunts his. People are because they don't they have to study ants to know their aunts. That's the joke. That's the whole joke joke. I it's terrible. It's a funny joke. The rule of threes is is really on display in this Yod. Yod choice. This is the least racer. Weighing what's culture like was it? Whereas, you know, that's the whole. That's the whole point. Yeah. Yeah. Inspite? It is clear talent for storytelling Rockwell. Did not excel in college. He never graduated and he wound up in listing in the United States navy slightly before we got into World War Two. He became a pilot and flew combat missions and Guadalcanal as well as he flew flew combat missions in both the Pacific and the Atlantic theaters. And he seems to have been pretty good pilot during the war like he was very active flew a lot of missions. Like did a lot of dangerous stuff. Although that did not stop him from lying about his service later, he would spend the rest of his life claiming that he'd sank two Japanese submarines. This means George Lincoln Rockwell and L Ron Hubbard both pick the exact same light tell about their service in World War Two. I don't know what to do with that. Wouldn't that be? Stored away from later store that you track. Amazing date the dots. Connect the dots. There's two of them you need a third one to really take shape waiting for Donald Trump to talk about the subject. Which one came first, you know, like who said, I think it must have been right around the same time because they were starting to be on the public scene in the fifties sort of like general like wonder if it's like for a few years ago. Yeah. There's probably a lot of people that made that claim they were both in the navy, and my God, I can't stop thinking about what if it some airbase in the middle of World War Two the two of them wound up having a beer at some. I was just thinking that. I like to think that it's true. That's a great one act play. That is that is however what you write it, we make it. We will make that. I think that's a great idea. Okay. To continue. Conversation. They're talking like getting along even know each other and the background here like someone like just take to summer. Great. Great idea watches, don't even guessing in there. Oh god. Okay. Anyway, here's what Rockwell look here's what Rockwell looked like during the war who wants to describe him. Katie just that. Okay. Honestly, he looked a little bit like my cousin, David. He really does shade on your. A beef. Yes. That mustache and he's got that. He's got some impressive brow work on nice furrowed gays. Could you take a wack? God, david. Like if joined the military. Right. Okay. Gets a little more fit. He gets. He's a very serious, man. But it's totally far. He doesn't you know, he looks like someone who who wipes her up on handles. Yeah. He does look like a man who observe on handles. I hate to say it, but he will get way better looking as the story progresses. He he the. The the mustache was an error. Moustache was a mistake. That one mistake things. I ever did. I'm sorry. I'd say mustaches our mistake. Not all my dad is a mustache. Sorry. That's a lotta shake your family. Thinking that knows regretting. Shitty. Oppose stole family after the war. Rob decided to try his hand at art. With the dream of working in advertising. He was accepted by the Pratt school of design in New York City in nineteen forty eight the second year rapport one thousand dollar first prize in national illustration contest is winning piece was an anti-smoking ad for the American Cancer Society, which is ironic because for the rest of his life Rockwell was seldom photographed without corncob pipe in his mouth. Like a man with principals. So do I advertise? Cigarettes, what's bad for you. Because according to pipe that that fills up your zone better than better than a cigarette. Oh, yeah. I've only read medical textbooks from the late nineteenth. But according to those cues zone is really critical to keep filled with smoke the Cusack. Accused on. That's what you gotta keep smoke. Fill is it shaped like a cue? Or is it an for quality? You feel till with more smoke and that makes the quality of all the air in your body better. Oh, yeah. That's makes perfect anyway. Sponsors Philip Morris. I would totally sell cigarettes jail. Everyone knows at this point. Sure. We'll right. If I if I that often it'd be like yell sell these cigarettes. But I get to say, by the way, they're gonna kill you. They're bad that that would be my whole. I'm getting paid to say that these are available. You wanna die sooner because the world. They will age you quickly. Lybia decades about not maybe I'm telling you the truth also Jaanus poison die, honest poison George Lincoln Rockwell opened up an advertising agency with two partners in Portland. Maine. This business came to an end with Korean war started in rapport was recalled to active duty. He didn't fight this time though. Instead, he trained people at the Coronado airbase individually got involved in politics is chosen candidates were Senator Joseph McCarthy in General, Douglas, Arthur. Yeah, he loved both men for the violent resistance to the spread of communism with which he agreed fervently in nineteen fifty one deep in this anticommunist obsession rapport decided to read the auto biography of the greatest anticommunist of the mall Adolf. Hitler would later claim that reading mine comp was the most powerful moment of his spiritual. Life quote, weird afterward sentence after sentence stabbed into the darkness lightning bolts of revelation tearing and ripping away the cobwebs of more than thirty years of darkness, brilliantly illuminating, the heretofore. Obscure reasons for the world's madness hate himself. Hitler STAN here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. To put that in a little bit of context. China higgin gone communist in nineteen forty nine by nineteen fifty one the Russians had officially got the bomb. The Korean war was seen particularly by conservatives like Rockwell as a crucial stand against the violence. Spread of communism. Over the globe. Rockwell didn't jump straight into being a Nazi his first political goal was to organize a rally urging Douglas mccarthur run for president MacArthur, by the way was the guy who got fired by Truman for trying to nuke China. Cou guy who good good fire. Good fire. Also and fire also the guy who made debatable. Well, he didn't the Korean war. We argue about that a lot now according to Rockwell he was stopped from renting a hall in San Diego for a MacArthur rally when a local pro MacArthur activists told him that the Jews hated MacArthur and would not let such a rally happen. What did he do about? Develop positive feelings towards Jewish American citizens mind come fan going to do. That's what we're after some time in Coronado Recco was sent back to Rhode Island on navy business. As wife picked him up at the airport. And according to Rockwell told him that in his absence, she learned to be quote independent and no longer wanted to sleep with him. We have no way of knowing. If this is how the conversation actually went down, of course. I know it did not Ruckwood lady. Use the story to claim that his first wife Judy. He'd been inflicted by what he called the common insanity of modern education, which made women feel their lives were lacking. If they became homemakers rather than sought out careers Rockwell claims he realized his wife had basically been ruined by modern ity in that the marriage was over. This is. Great. Everything you're saying like, Yep. Yep. That adds up. Yeah. I've seen I those people. Yeah. I know I know prominent figures who. Yeah. This is this is the guy who invented a lot of that unfortunate. Her name was Judy feel it you feel like maybe that like pushed him over the edge. You're not a fan of the name Judy. It's just like it rhymes with my aunt's name is Judy my mom's name. I mean, if you're if you're like a guy like suddenly, very resentful of Jews and then. Oh my God. That names. Really come down on team. The name Judy Jewish fines if you're not this guy. No that makes sense though. How he might have some issues with. I withdraw my connection. Now, thankfully, Rockwell was immediately sent to Iceland next enduring a party Reykjavik he met Margaret Thawra Grimsson a twenty three year old niece of the Icelandic ambassador. He started flirting with her, and they eventually struck up a relationship in nineteen Fifty-three he and his wife formally for a divorce, and she was happy to agree to he married. How soon after after his second stint with the navy was done Robert turn to the United States. How intoe moved to DC where he put together a magazine for the wives of US servicemen called US lady. It was not a success rock will become convinced. However that it was his mission to create a popular new conservative newspaper that could galvanize what he called the splintered and squabbling right wing into an effective political movement. Again, you might say his goal was to unite the right? He pitched his idea to the American federation of conservative organizations giving it the title the conservative times tragically. He was unable to find investors for the Shirley fantastic idea eventually Rockwell meta guy named Harold Aerosmith. The science of a wealthy family would become obsessed with pouring over the library of congress microfilms to find evidence of the Jewish communist conspiracy to overthrow the nation since no actual scholarly publications. We're willing to publish his findings Aerosmith went to Rockwall. And basically said if you helped me my theories out there pay to print shitload of propaganda. So this, hyper familiar too. Print. My betcha. Pay you money. It gets shittier. 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Like, most rock and roll probably wouldn't like their manager. Like rocky recruit or something have liked rocky? Rick would not have liked the Rolling Stone song painted black. Oh, no. That would not have been Brown sugar or you do not wanna play Brown sugar to George Lincoln Rockwell oddly enough big fan of hey, Jude. For back in the USA. Sorry. I believe. Okay rump. Well, took a shine to this rich guy Aerosmith immediately calling him the most violent Jew hater he'd ever met which in Nazi circles was quite a compliment. He agreed to work on the project. Aerosmith would provide a home for his new wife and her children Aerosmith agreed on the grounds that their project must use the name he'd settled on the national committee to free America from Jewish domination. Rockwell did not like the name. But agreed to do it for the money. Yeah. On July twenty seventh nineteen fifty eight the national committee officially announce itself to the world with a picket of the White House Rockwell print it out large placards covered in slogans don't fight another war to save the Jews. He was talking about like Israel at this point. In the words, they were fighting Nassar. The president of Egypt has jailed his reds jus lie that he is red communism is Jewish one of the placards just said the slur Kaik. Sure. Yup. I mean, if you're gonna do thing that sucks about it. If you're gonna do thing that sucks Ruppel marched with a small number of young racist. He'd gathered almost no one came to see them the crowd that did show up was a mix of journalists and eighty L photographers Anti-Defamation League, the national committee marched and then Rockwell took everyone to a local motel at your beer. Motel motel. All right. That is specified. It was not a motel. There were there were cars within feet of. Everybody had to pay for everybody to pay for their own drinks the beds head penny slot. Those windows were right next to each other. Tragically? This would prove to be the high watermark for the national committee because Rockwell had actually sort of screwed over his wealthy benefactor Aerosmith he'd printed only a few of the leaflet showcasing Aerosmith's research and use most of the committee's resources to print off his own propaganda for completely different organization called the world union of free enterprise, national, socialists, or women's. That's nice loser. Mike. I mean it tragically he gets better at the branding Wiffens. All right. The process you have to stand didn't exist yet. Sounds like cute little pup name women's oftens. You're no important. And like, yeah, you're building. Right. We're like, we're altogether or we're we'll we're one fam- big family. Yep. Not you not you know, you when we went actually much smaller family and the family other people want to exist on October twelfth nineteen Fifty-eight a racist named Wallace Allen detonated fifty sticks of dynamite. Inside the Hebrew benevolent congregation. Synagogue in Atlanta, thankfully, he did this in the dead of night. And no one was killed but suspicion almost immediately turned to George Lincoln Rockwell because when police searched Allen's home, they found letters between the bomber and Rockwell of up letters from July mentioned a big blast. Although he claimed this was a reference to a woman's picketing March and not any terrorist attack mode parties. We're gonna blast. We're gonna blast. It's going to be a big blast. A big fifty stick dynamited glassless Raba was not charged with any crime in the wake of the bombing. But that attack marked the beginning of national conversation that we're all still having what do we do with people who inspire terrorism, but don't actively urge it in a legally actionable way. What do we do about that? I don't know last December. I lectured a room full of aspiring and current federal law enforcement people about this. And nobody seemed to have a real clear answer. Good good bringing more about that at some point. Yeah. Happy to have to talk about that. Now. The rabbi of the Hebrew benevolent congregation. Synagogue was dude named Jacob Rothschild, which is an unfortunate last name to have if you are one of America's earliest white advocates for school integration and civil rights. He was a major major like early civil rights advocate in the members of his synagogue were unusually active in being white people. Who are like we should all be shitty. Delectable. Good advice. Good advice. Why they also got bombed result? Yeah. That's how it goes. And thankfully, no, one died in a Pulitzer prize winning editorial for the Atlanta Constitution. Ralph McGill called the bombing, quote, the harvest of defiance of courts in the encouragement of citizens to defy law on the part of many southern politicians. It is not possible to preach lawlessness in restricted to be sure none said go bomb Jewish Templer school. But let it be understood that when leadership in high places in any degree fails to support constituted authority. It opens the gates to all those who wished to take the law into their hands. Yup. Agree. Would have been great if people listed back in fifty eight when we listen to what things happened in the past. What that might be directly related to think about that rebel had been a fringe figure before the bombing after it. He was completely abandoned by the mainstream American right Aerosmith, abandoned him to and his naval reserve status was cancelled in December this left Rockwell destitute without even the money to keep the lights on nineteen Fifty-nine dawned Wilkins only had nine fully initiated members with twelve more waiting to attain full membership status. I bet you guys are wondering what it takes to become a full member. I was just thinking thinking about that Cody. Okay. Well, there's a ceremony. Oh, there's a ceremony. It's described in for race nation s quote pricking the cheek with a razor blade dripping a large drop of blood on the border of swastika flag and swearing allegiance to the party with the trooper's oath these fucking nerve inert s-, go with this stuff that happened. I'm gonna read the trooper's oath. I'll please Dale. Oh, yeah. I got in the presence of the great spirit of the universe. Okay. Up by loyal party, comrades all capitalized. I hereby all letters capitalized irrevocably pledge to Adolf Hitler also capitalize, the philosophical leader of the white man's fight for idealistic and scientific world order against the eighth stick and materialistic forces of Marxism in racial suicide. I pledge my reverence and respect to commander of Adolf Hitler's national socialist movement. I pledge my faith, my courage, and my willing obedience to my party comrades throughout the world. I pledge my absolute loyalty, even unto death to myself as a leader of the white man's fight. I pledge a life of clean and Manley honor to the United States of America. I pledge my loyalty, and my careful compliance with its constitution and laws until those which are unjust can be legally changed by winning darts of the people to my ignorant, fellow white man who will hate and persecute me because they have been so cruelly. Brainwashed. I pledge my patients and my love to the traitors of my reysen nation. I pledge swith and Ruth. Justice. That is a cool of her great much of really cold kooky. It's almost like what? Even if you take out the race stuff. It's like what unites the right is. They all fear the same things. They'll like really really want the same thing. It's almost like it's really civil. Are here. Straight. It's just really frustrating trippers were given codenames which had to be related to their real names. But also make them sound like total bad asses recruit named burchard became trooper oak because burchard sounded sort of like Birch George Lincoln Rockwell didn't think Birch was a bad ass enough. Tree. Also, it's like the George W Bush thing where it's like he sees you eating burger. So he calls you burger. Tim apple. I I'm not gonna go that. That's that's funny. It is funny. If I was the president that's how I would refer to every business leader super super, hilarious and cooling. Great. If he did it on purpose. Yeah. But it's just as broken. I would call Jeff Bezos, Jeff oh packages chef. That would be Jeff bookstore over here. Jimmy. Got it would be great. If he called like Mattis, Jim Jim marines. David army over here. Right name. Great names. Also, it's crazy that we actually had a guy in that job whose literal name was almost David army. It was it was. Would've worked out so well for that's amazing. Wolf carried out several picketing actions, which were basically protests in public areas where Rockwell in historic troopers would carry incredibly races signs, attacking the Jews or black people. They also published anti semitic pamphlets and books with titles like battle. Call fight on your feet with the world union of free enterprise, socialists, or live on your knees with the Jews. Great at titles. I mean battle calls a fine title. But that subtitle not click whatever stories ever told stories like this. And then there's like a title that has like the Jews. It there's always like implied. Like, you put a little stank on it. Like, it's always there. You can always feel it. You can even even just reading it. Just the way the rest of the Senate, right, right? Like how they how they they wrote. It like, I know how you're I know how you're hearing this word, right it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I know who you're saying in your hands, you typed it now it's important to note that wolf was not yet eight totally Nazi party least not explicitly that oath was a private. Okay. Okay. So yes, I mean like they weren't like by the way, we're not he's not yet super swirling around it. We're we're calling them to national socialist. But they were up to that point of voiding being super explicit about the Nazi thing. I mean, nationalism and socialism. Do in Rockwall did not consider himself a fascist. He said he wanted an authoritarian Republic, which is totally mashes them. No that may want to call themselves. Fash busy. Fascist. He said fascism got in the way of free enterprise. Now while Hitler had been a racial nationalist Rockwall sought to spread what he called international racism. He believed that millions of Americans and Europeans were quote, only a synapse away from discovering that they were national socialists and never knew it because they have never been allowed to know what national socialism is. Okay. Maybe he felt that most conservatives were really national, socialists. They were scared of the word itself because of all the bad press the Nazis received for some. Of bad. Rapid? Stir up controversy. Can't stop attacking us for a couple of more than ten million dead in death cares. A couple of more than ten million twenty million killed on the Russian front. It's just you know, bias in the media you kill thirty or forty or fifty million people and. Now Rockwell knew that his first step towards making national socialism palatable to the general public was to convince them that the holocaust wasn't real. This was revolutionary at the time. There was no such thing as organized holocaust denial in nineteen fifty nine it did not exist. Tens of thousands of Americans had seen the death camps for themselves in person. Everyone had watched the newsreel footage from camps liberated by the American army is that was like one of the things is an hour had done as soon as we like, oh, everybody's seeing like this has like the world this real thing using. Yeah. Yeah. So that people don't do it Ruggles about two fifty nine. T nine. There are thirty year old holocaust. To start like. Old holocaust survivors. Yeah. Yeah. So in order to accomplish his goals, George Lincoln Rockwell, head to invent the idea of holocaust denial. Here's how for racing nation ascribes that process. Stab a holocaust was a hoax. The Rockwell fabricated. A story for a CD mints pulp magazine called, sir. That explanation point. The story quote by a former corporal in the SS as told to Master Sergeant Liu core, which is Rockwell spelled backwards phonetically related how Nazis conducted vivisection on Jewish concentration camp inmates. The article was accepted and Rockwood received seventy five dollars payment when it was published the editors used concentration camp photos alongside his story to enhance its appeal to Rockwell's way of thinking since the publisher had used bogus photos for a bogus story. The holocaust must be Jewish. Fabrication Rockwell was to use the magazine article is proof of a holocaust hoax for the rest of his life hate. Yeah. There's what what do you say that? He invented holocaust by like pretending to like fake, if I a fake story real stuff that that's he's cut up Jewish prisoners in the holocaust, right? Some of the doctors. Did it mitt it later? He just wrote a fake article article that could be like debunked to be like see they're lying about the thing that as act. Oh my God. What and he got paid seventy five bucks paid seventy five bucks. Wow. What a you could argue that modern holocaust deniers. I mean, they're bad people. But maybe they're just maybe they believe what they're saying this that what's so evil about it. He knows that he got in World War Two. Yeah. Right. Like like doing that in the late fifties. Because then yeah, you have people now who are like, oh, it's been licensed the years later after this conspiracy theory even started. So it makes sense that you can fall down that rabbit hole and like get convinced you can talk to twenty five year olds with numbers on their arms right at this point. What a bad person. I'm sorry. I'm starting to mind by George really. On board for the first six pages of ending. Yeah. Yeah. This is too much. This would be the first great innovation in Rockwell's life as the most influential racist in American history. But it was not enough to save the terribly named Wiffens without the backing of their billionaire patron and without any kind of mass popularity whatsoever. Rockwall stream of national socialist party quickly fizzled out, but you have nineteen fifty nine he had only three troopers left in the lease was up on their headquarters Rockwell left, the United States Iceland, where his wife and kids at fled. Because it turns out they didn't like being with the guy who was trying to revitalize national socialism less than twenty years. And this is the second one. Yeah. Yeah. He arrived in Reykjavik his wife wanted nothing to do with him. The police escorted him from her home. He got shit house wasted and cried for a while. And then he decided that he must use the pain of his emotional loss to galvanize him into being an even greater fighter for the cause of white people who let me tell you. We're really hurting in nineteen Fifty-nine. He would later say that his wife leaving him had given him a quote, priceless. Armor of fearlessness. What doesn't kill us makes us stronger doesn't kill us makes us Nazis. Yeah. Sometimes George Lincoln rapport, turn to the United States with his new armor, fearlessness and began making the changes. He believed would be necessary to cause national socialism to catch fire in the American heartland. The first step he decided was to stop calling it national socialism, you might expect that this would be his first move towards embracing a more moderate label for his organization, but Rockwell actually went the opposite direction and started calling himself Nazi. We go. Yeah. Oh my gosh. History, teacher considerations were based entirely around. What would gain him the most public renown a bunch of men wearing swastikas calling themselves, Nazis and goosestepping around demonstrations would gain more notoriety than if you're weirdos ranting about national socialism in making this call Rockwell was consciously pulling inspiration from a passage in mind comp quote from Hitler, whether they laugh or swear it us, whether they present us his food stores criminals. The main thing is that they mentioned us that they occupy themselves with us again. And again, and that gradually in the eyes of the workers, we appear actually as that power with which alone one has to reckon at the time there it is. There's that. Oh, there's yet. Another just piece of the frustrating puzzle, which we all live, which we all like. Pat. Attention is good attention. I know currency, maybe currency a love Twitter. Maybe that's George Lincoln Rockwell would have dominated. Yes. Yeah. He would've probably eventually gotten band, and then use that to sort of push for he would've been screened shot his name trending and then posted it on Instagram trading. And that's good. No matter what I got. I get the joke. But I think he's smarter than that. I think he knowingly. I think you better. He would have been like fuck. I don't think he would have done in this day a thousand times better than Richard Spencer, Jake or anything. Failed. They're like dopes stumbled into what they are. This guy's like he's genius round. He's terrible. He's manages fucking stupid. But in October nineteen Fifty-nine George Lincoln Rockwell officially formed the American Nazi party with this action. He gave birth to the concept of neo-nazism so minute holocaust denial India, Nazism, within a year of each other Heidi Barack who tracks hate groups for the southern poverty Law Center said this in an interview with the WAM you radio, quote, he was the first person after World War Two in the knowledge of the holocaust became known in the horrors that had happened under Hitler's regime to take an overtly pro Hitler position. Really? He's responsible for creating neo-nazism in the United States. It's entirely possible that without Rockwell Nazism would be dead as a political concept at least in the United States. That is debatable. What isn't debatable is the foundational role Rockwell played in the concepts behind racist organizing in this country and worldwide on Christmas day, nineteen Fifty-nine a synagogue and Cologne. Germany was defaced with swastikas and anti semitic. Graffiti, this sparked a rash of attacks on synagogues across Europe Rockwell. Joyfully took credit for inspiring the violence. He added, quote, I deplore the avenue some of them have chose. I would not permit. My troopers to paint, swastikas on synagogues churches. It's not necessary. Here it is in Europe. Where there's no other way. You know, this is a terrible time for an ad. But pivoting. Pivoting. Your money. Jerry Lewis way did did Kurt cobaine. Also did Courtney love insane Johnny cash. Dick Turner abusive in XXX, ten Tassie own Amy Whitehouse completely off the rails. Disgrace land a rock and roll true crime podcast launches its third season on March fourteenth this hosted by me Jake Brennan can't wait until the fourteenth. That's cool. You can been ceases wanted to now here past episodes onto pot biggie Marvin Gaye James Brown. John Lennon g Allen and more. Why? Because rocks those in Saint more like feral, narcissistic animals functioning members of society in this is precisely what makes them so entertaining, we want our Rockstars too bad. We want to believe in listen to disgrace of I heart radio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We're back. Thank god. They got you guys. I could tell you like shaking from Rockwell withdrawals. Yeah. I was lost during that ad brain. Oh, I know. That's not see. During the nineteen sixty election. George Lincoln, rob Okaz controversy by publicly endorsing Richard Nixon. This move would be echoed decades later by the decisions of former KKK leader, David Duke and racist asshole, Richard Spencer to endorse Donald Trump in the two thousand sixteen election to his credit Nixon immediately told ABC I completely repudiate him and all the evil. He represents. Thank you Nixon. Thank you. Thanks for not waffling on whether or not to disavow literal nuts. Yeah. Also, thanks for the. Yeah. Trade with China. Nixon good. Not thank you for extending the Vietnam war. Additional debts. But it wasn't wasn't zero. Something also all this stuff these. Yeah. Let's Nixon we'll do the nine parter on another day rock. What was not just a blind ideological hatemonger? He was a serious racist. Thinker with serious racist goals a fairly logical way of looking at the world. Get developed a set of four phases that he believed were necessary for his party and its recessed ideas to gain power in America. These rules were based not just on what Hitler had done. But on the strategy successfully employed by communist political movements in the east phase one become known. This includes getting in the headlines rallies and promotional material face to develop leadership cadre teaching about white writes, the anti white movement miscegenation and party tactics base three mass recruitment. This includes public relations toning down the party in order to become more mainstream recasting the party's legitimate instigating tensions increased party membership. I e racial riots and face four taking power mass action. A crisis situation leads to rapid expansion. Paramilitary sub strata of the movement begins to take control by force and using direct confrontations with the government and the security apparatus of. The state seem you saw those chat logs from. Era. Direct descendant of the American Nazi party as are literally all of the fascist groups actively trying to the Republican party and influence it, and he is the founding father of American like active fast. Not sure if you're going to get to that or not. The third episode is just about what he cannot wait. It's gotta be horrible. I hate it. Russia was above all else. A creative political thinker on June twenty fifth nineteen sixty one took nine members of his new revitalised American Nazi party to a nation of Islam rally in Washington DC, the Nazis marched right into the lean arena, outnumbered eight hundred to one and took their place among the otherwise almost entirely black audience that we're not there to protest, but to show support the nation of Islam leader Elisha Muhammad and his right hand, man, Malcolm X, we're at the time black separatists, Malcolm Xs speech that night was literally titled separation or death despite repeated shocking statements racism wreck will also regularly expressed admiration for Malcolm X, he backed the nation of Islam because he saw them as having the same essential goal is the AMP racial separation of black and white beam at one point during his speech, Malcolm exit Monash, the white members of the audience telling them, they should really donate to the nation of Islam if they supported it's 'cause Rockwell was among the first to whip out a twenty dollar Bill in handed over life, attacker eve Arnold who was there to shoot the event took a picture of this. She was Jewish and when Rachael saw her. Photographing him. He yelled all make bar of soap out of you. She replied as long as it isn't a lamp shade. Solid review. What what a girl. Yeah. That's a good. That's a good comeback. Locked is all the women in. We were all like nodding. The nation of Islam. It was great PR for aqua Esquire magazine attacked him in his ideas. But couldn't avoid describing him in weirdly, positive tones. How much taller he is Hitler and how much looking and how much better looking to be fair. They weren't wrong by this point. He'd shaved his mustache. And he'd looked a lot of that. He's the guy in the middle. And okay. Yeah. It's an improvement. Yeah. Who does he look like to me? He's got some cheekbones going little bit Cary Grant in there a little bit Cary Grant Carey grant, he is much taller than. I mean, this isn't a side by side between him and Hitler. But you can. I mean, the he looks like. Ruins the doesn't look like a leading man. He looks like the villain. But. The nazis. He's like kind of in the way that you'd like Billy Zane. Part of you was like go with Billy Zane, you know. So cody. Yes, I'm really excited. Yes. Yes. The American Nazi party was chronically low on funds the entire time Rockwell. Ran it his fundraising strategy, then relied entirely on jenning up controversy in his public appearances and using that to solicit donations. He had a variety of ways of accomplishing this. But his most reliable tactic was getting invited to speak at colleges. Interesting. Evidently, be protests in often fight him, which would lead to publicity that would convince hidden neo-nazis to mail him checks. Interesting thought. Well, those protesters seem like the real Nazis, there's protester because they're trying to shut down. In San Diego committee for student action invited Rachael to speak at the state college. He gives speech to group of three thousand students introducing himself by saying if I had wanted trouble, I wore my uniform with my Nazi armbands in the whole works. Believe me, I know how to stir people up if I want to run woven railed against homosexuality in California. You talked about seeing men holding hands in the streets of Hollywood and told the students if there's one thing I'd rather gas communists. It's queers. At one point twenty two year old Ed cherry, the Jewish student and hero took the stage and demanded Rockall hand on the microphone Rockwood refused. Jerry punched him in the face repeatedly sunglasses. Punching Nazi the rest of the speech was cancelled next Rachael and his men were scheduled to give a talk to journalists at the school newspaper during the rock walk from the auditorium to the paper's offices were surrounded by students pelted with eggs. Here's how reysen nation describe what he said when he finally talked to the baby journalists Rockwell told the journalism students that there was a conspiracy to discourage his speaking invitations, the attack by cherry was part of a plan to keep other colleges from inviting him, he put the attack and perspective calling it a minor skirmish such violence hurt his cause in the short run but helped in the long run. Because people finally realize what is happening. It's ruining this country. It's terrorism. In other words, there is no free speech for a man who preaches what I do. They tried to kill you. I'm some. Ruckwood speak dozens of colleges over the course of his career. We'll talk about this more in part to but I can't overstate how critical they were for the AARP's financial independence and how he literally invented the blueprint that every right wing rift or uses today. Yeah, we keep coming back to jog school. Speaking of college, people yell Heathrow stuff that man, then I'll get more money mental be the guy who got shouted out of the school for drew left. The violent leftist Nazis because that's the real the real situation. Did he debate kids and how oh. Love debating now. Good mood. The hundreds of dollars brought in by the honorary GMs paid by colleges. Literally kept Rockwell's lights on soon. There were an PHP buildings in Virginia, California and Texas the actual number of stormtroopers was rarely higher than you know, a few dozen to maybe like a hundred or two at the most. But the presence of these buildings gave Rocco's movement street credit and also provided an opportunity for him to make the news, and the solicit more donations NPA quarters buildings were with signs that said stuff like white man fight smash the black revolution. Now, the black revolution to go to the same schools as everyone. Use the same water revolution revolutionary idea there. Those of you who know me and my relationship with law enforcement, not exactly a big fan of the FBI. The honest, I have not forgiven them for the anarchist. Exclusion act of nineteen eighteen but I am above all else a fair man, and for all of his many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many many many many many many many flaws J. Edgar Hoover was not out wrong side of this particular issue, the bureau instantly, recognize Rockwell is a threat his vile described him as quote it professional bigot. A conman a malcontent and a chronic failure who will stop at nothing to gain notoriety and even power he is a man whose tongue and pen are jagged weapons of slow destruction a shooed small-minded fleet into a national nuisance by undeserved publicity. He is a braggart a bully who tries to lose his maladjusted followers into believing. They are crusaders. Gone. Pretty good writing for the FBI. Yeah. They did not however write him off as a harmless crank because the F B. I knew something about Nazis. I really wish the modern FBI would catch onto quote, those small in numbers and influence. The AMP is dangerous organization of misfits who are psychologically physically capable of perpetrating acts of violence if this organization is ever in a position to do. So these American Nazis like, the Nazis of Hitler's Germany will follow through with their obnoxious objectives of liquidating, all whom they consider inferior. It is well to remember that in his early days Adolf Hitler like Rockwell was ridiculed in scorned. We would do well to heed the American Nazi party. And to remember that history is replete with incidents where a nucleus of an organization and the right conditions merged to shake the foundations of the world what he's stronger than obnoxious. That's like good. Good job the FBI aware of history. And how things being aware of twenty years. Ryan. I really wish any figure. Paolini handy amount of power would say something like that. Wouldn't that be nice? Wouldn't it be great? But instead they could like tug. They could yell at people for yelling at people for speaking college target like left wing activists. Ignore that. Like all the organisms in the military, ping sorted infiltrated by white supremacists. Important, Cody, I don't know. I don't know. Saint stuff out loud. It doesn't matter. Not like there. Any incidences where say of military combat veteran built a six thousand pound bomb destroyed a federal building and killed one hundred sixty people if something like that had happened. I say, okay. Well, I'll keep my eyes open for something. Like that. In the meantime, I'm gonna take a couple of. Just like our national security number interesting. The report on Rockwell included summaries of the AARP's major publications, quote, the Rachael report, which appears monthly or every two months is a pseudo newspaper in which Rocco comments on and makes predictions regarding national and international occurrences lashes out at hecklers enemies and discusses AMP business. The storm trooper bimonthly magazine contains articles regarding aspects of national and international Nazism and features articles containing scurrilous Squibb's about Jews and negroes scurrilous Squibb's, really like the right in shops of the old time FBI. Yes. Three alliteration. Yeah. It's much more colorful good trying to go. Also a little bit post. Definitely would have had a podcast. Oh my God. Yeah. So what Hitler Hitler wouldn't even be pockets. Like, you have a radio show, Dale. Dale. I. Get cancelled. And somehow they you know. He'd go to. I mean, I think he'd probably taken Tucker Carlson's job to be honest because he's way smarter selling gold. Oh. Oh so much Bill. Yeah. It also. The airport also included descriptions of the AM pamphlets, which are just about the most hatefully racist things that I can imagine the nineteen sixties F B I agents writing about them were shocked by the level of racism nineteen six these same group that was urging Martin Luther King. Shocked by the racism, the peace stuff. Quote, leaflets pamphlets, brochures, throwaway, stickers and other types of easily disseminated messages or the more common types of an propaganda one repugnant pamphlet disseminated by the party, advertises a brotherhood. Inward talk. Dictionary. They did not usually phrase inward compiled by the AMP as a public service for parents whose children are attending the integrated schools. There is even a section of this handy brotherhood dictionary explaining how to be tactful about interracial love inside. This pamphlet is a drawing of familiarization kit whose contents include such odious items as selected rocks, carefully, balanced and waited for breaking out school windows pack of marijuana Reefer cigarettes for smoking, interracial, orgies, etc. Switchblade knife lightning-fast extra-long blade for stabbing. Students and Spanish fly powerful aphrodisiac for slipping girlfriends, whiskey or wine. Great great all the tools that you know, how? You know, how the KKK stuff it was racist. It was so dumb and baddy that you can laugh at like coast camp. This is the there's just nothing, it's just horrible. So Cody, I would like you to describe this next pamphlet, which the FBI provided as an example of the AM piece typical humor which they put and I put in quotation, I love humor, please don't actually read the song. My god. Yeah. Don't read that. I will be putting most of this stuff up on the site. I'm not going to put the stuff with slurs on it up on the site. I'll put the things where you can find it. But yeah, I don't we don't need to go too much into this a I mean, it's only words the very first word is a word. I will not say, yeah. The N word. The point. It's getting people's attention saying, hey, hey, listen, look at this look at this. You too can be a Jew. That's relation point. It's easy. Exclamation point. It's fun and salt the white folks make more money love the white women. And there's a picture of a book called how to be ju. Yeah. I think you've gotten it across I yeah. There's a lot of writing. Wait. Let me finish the joke. Ha. That's me reacting to joke a full number of Ha's. Yeah. I'm gonna burn the script after reading this can't feel good to type note did not this hideous. I do think it's necessary for everyone to hear. Because I went to contrast those publications with how Ron well, presented himself memes. It's like to me. Yeah. I went to contrast those publications that we've just gone through with how Rocco presented himself when he was in front of cameras and microphones addressing students going to play. You an excerpt from a speech that Rockwell gave very close to here at UCLA in nineteen sixty seven. So thank you. Thank you. Very much, Mr. raff. And let me I say how grateful I am for this opportunity to speak on the academic community. It's the only opportunity left to me in this country to speak in a way that the American people get to here in judge me for themselves and every other forum every other place I've tempt to speak out in the street. The people who loudest claim to love free speech and demand free speech for themselves on using physical violence to try to stop me from joying threes when I try to speak in the St Louis the streets, I need troops the only place where I can't I can't even higher home higher usually threaten the owner bomb threats since no fourth. So this is the last refuge of free speech left in the country. And I'm sorry to say is usually accorded to me by the liberals, and I must confess I admire their courage, and there's some thirty in reading this opportunity to me briefly. Congrats live class. Classic. Let's be fair. That is classic liberal last. Speak at your college. That's clip was from you say decades ago nineteen interesting century the past. I was wondering why the qualities the audio as wasn't that? I would've thought we were listening to Seapower last weekend. Yeah. Liberal part. Then of course, ample racism in Rockwell's, lectures speeches colleges, but nothing so hateful crass in crude as the things in AMP literature. It was a shallow veil. But one that fooled a number of Americans. Now that is all I have to say four today for part one. Okay, come back on Thursday or Wednesday. Actually for part two. We're going to talk about the Jewish community's reaction to the American Nazi party. And the first attempts by activists, you might call them anti-fascists to respond to Rockwell's truly innovative trolling. It's going to be just a whole bunch of stuff that seems early familiar despite being more than half a century up. Tune in. You guys got some plug Ables. Well, actually, I want I want to do a quick thing. I. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So as I mentioned at the start this was originally going to be a part of a five part audio book on the origins of American right wing terrorism. I'm now doing that audiobook is a totally separate thing because Rockwell round up being a full thing. So if you go to go funding and look up the war on everyone. That's the working title the book. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Go fund me the war on everyone. If you wanna donate some money that audiobook will come out in the money that I make for it. I will use to further the conflict journalism work that I've done and in Portland in over in DC on the east coast like going to to these rallies. If we get enough, I might even be able to go somewhere like, you know, royalva again or foreign conflict reporting. So you're gonna definitely get an audio book and you'll get more stuff to in the future. Go fund me the war on everyone. Now, do you guys wanna plug your plug Ables? Check us out online gone line. We don't have what you said. No. But we've got that. That we. Yeah. Google more news in YouTube our show, basically weekly we do stuff there. We also have podcasts called even more news. We talked about the news on you can go to the apple thing wherever you want to go. I would say patriots dot com slash some more news. That's where like our patrons. Go support us and make sure. Yeah. Also, like, make more episodes. We try to give as much as we can. But you guys give a lot in produce a ton of really good stuff takes a lot. So some of the best news that you can get at this moment with jokes. I do you have a question would you ever? Let say the commander of the American Nazi party speak on your podcast. Because I thought you love free speech. And if you don't let Nazis have platform, you don't love free speech. It'd have to do a pre interview. I would probably do something like this may be sort of talk about that person delve into their ideology and sort of represent their them accurately. A bunch of. Yeah. Well, some more news Patrie on the YouTube Twitter documents faster. He's still still. I'm right, okay. On Twitter where you can find me yelling about Nazis, even more. You can find us on the internet this podcast that you can also find us on Instagram Graham by the same name by a t shirt a Cup a sticker literal horse and buggy all branded with our our special content behind the bastards t public dot com. And behind the bastards dot com. Our website tomorrow. Disgrace rock and roll true crime podcast launches March for teeth hosted by me Jake burning season. Three features Kurt Cobain Courtney. 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Introducing: Flashback an iHeartRadio and Ozy Original Podcast

History Vs.

03:44 min | 9 months ago

Introducing: Flashback an iHeartRadio and Ozy Original Podcast

"Regarding a massive car bomb exploded outside of Large Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City shattering that building killing children killing federal twenty-five years ago. Timothy McVeigh killed one hundred and sixty eight people including nineteen children with a homemade fertilizer bomb in Oklahoma City McVeigh who received the death penalty in two thousand and one was not alone responsible for the worst domestic terror attack in US history. His Co conspirator Terry Nichols received one hundred and sixty one life sentences for his part but it goes deeper than that much deeper. There's another famous figures from history. Whose fingerprints are all over the Oklahoma City bombing one whose name we usually associate with mass production not mass murderer. Henry Ford in one thousand nine hundred eighty Ford set out to change American Culture Ford with King. Ford was the most wealthy American ever and nobody says no to that person. Nobody and the poisonous ideas Ford spread with start. Ticking time bomb that would blow up seventy five years later. I'm Sean Braswell and welcome to flash back a new podcast about histories. Unintended consequences from Ozzy. The creators of the threat that aims to bring the pass back to life. Like never before. I'll be your visiting professor taking you on a journey through history. That will change the way you look at the World Today. Stories about disastrous turning points. Dangerous ideas crazy. Coincidences Unsung Heroes. And forgotten villains. This is George Lincoln Rockwell here on behalf of the White Christian majority of Americans. I think if you had a policeman under every bed in the state of Connecticut they still could not prove anything flashback unveils. The hidden connections enforces underlying history. That your teachers and professors never told you about and without the text. Books exams are note taking just the most compelling and surprising tales about history and human psychology told by those who know the most about them. Opiates sedatives laxatives. Bob Richards Morphine. I mean you name it. He was pumping the fear of of this stuff In the first season of flashback we will connect the dots and some of the most incredible unintended consequences. That history has ever unleashed. We'll learn how the YMCA inadvertently helped fund global terrorism winters lot of profits to be had illegally questionable characters. We'll get involved in it. And how a bold effort to address the dust bowl of the great depression created even longer lasting environmental problem biological sciences. No good way to predict how these things happen. And you'll hear how these unintended outcomes continue to impact our world today. The transmission of ideas is being facilitated at speeds in volumes are previously unthinkable. And what we can do about. Essentially we just need to be wary of quick fixes bullets. They rarely out like we think they will learn about history. Unintended consequences on flashback. A new podcast from Ozzie and Iheartradio podcast network. Find out how some of the best laid plans can go horribly wrong or prove unexpectedly magnificent on May sixth. Listen to flash back on the IHEARTRADIO APP apple podcasts. Wherever you get your podcasts.

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Ridiculous History

03:44 min | 9 months ago

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"Information regarding a massive car bomb exploded outside of Large Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City shattering that building killing children killing federal twenty-five years ago. Timothy McVeigh killed one hundred and sixty eight people including nineteen children with a homemade fertilizer bomb in Oklahoma City McVeigh who received the death penalty in two thousand and one was not alone responsible for the worst domestic terror attack in US history. His Co conspirator Terry Nichols received one hundred and sixty one life sentences for his part but it goes deeper than that much deeper. There's another famous figures from history. Whose fingerprints are all over the Oklahoma City bombing one whose name we usually associate with mass production not mass murderer. Henry Ford in one thousand nine hundred eighty Ford set out to change American Culture Ford with King. Ford was the most wealthy American ever and nobody says no to that person. Nobody and the poisonous ideas Ford spread with start. Ticking time bomb that would blow up seventy five years later. I'm Sean Braswell and welcome to flash back a new podcast about histories. Unintended consequences from Ozzy. The creators of the threat that aims to bring the pass back to life. Like never before. I'll be your visiting professor taking you on a journey through history. That will change the way you look at the World Today. Stories about disastrous turning points. Dangerous ideas crazy. Coincidences Unsung Heroes. And forgotten villains. This is George Lincoln Rockwell here on behalf of the White Christian majority of Americans. I think if you had a policeman under every bed in the state of Connecticut they still could not prove anything flashback unveils. The hidden connections enforces underlying history. That your teachers and professors never told you about and without the text. Books exams are note taking just the most compelling and surprising tales about history and human psychology told by those who know the most about them. Opiates sedatives laxatives. Bob Richards Morphine. I mean you name it. He was pumping the fear of of this stuff In the first season of flashback we will connect the dots and some of the most incredible unintended consequences that history has ever unleashed will learn how the YMCA inadvertently helped fund global terrorism winters lot of profits to be had illegally questionable characters. We'll get involved in it. And how a bold effort to address the dust bowl of the great depression created even longer lasting environmental problem biological sciences. No good way to predict how these things happen. And you'll hear how these unintended outcomes continue to impact our world today. The transmission of ideas is being facilitated at speeds in volumes are previously unthinkable. And what we can do about essentially we just need to be wary of quick fixes and silver bullets. They rarely out like we think they will learn about history. Unintended consequences on flashback. A new podcast from Ozzie and Iheartradio podcast network. Find out how some of the best laid plans can go horribly wrong or prove unexpectedly magnificent on May sixth. Listen to flash back on the IHEARTRADIO APP apple podcasts. Wherever you get your podcasts.

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How the Internet Makes Murderers

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23:03 min | 2 years ago

How the Internet Makes Murderers

"Just a quick heads up here at the top one of the first things I'm going to do in this episode is swear. So if you're not listening in ear buds already you might wanna pop them in. Here's the show. There's this word of been trying to define over the last couple of days shit. Posting is almost difficult like as you see struggled to explain this. It's almost difficult to explain it's more something you understand Robert Evans is what some people call extremely online. He's an expert in ship posting it's more like the oxygen of large chunks of the internet. If you were going to post me in this interview. How would it work like I'd be talking to you? And then what would happen? So I could just start trolling you what what option for shit. Posting would be like if I were to just start of lying about winning where it was vented and tell you that there was a really clear at a Malla g of the term in a really clear timing. I could say, oh, you know, it started in two thousand five on four Chan, and there was the single user name. So it's a ship post because it's not true. But a real ship post is more than that. It's a lie. That's wrapped in something familiar. Something enticing. Maybe then. Something innocent Robert says think about wandering down the street and seeing a hundred dollar Bill on the ground, and you reach down, and as you grasp it, you realize bottom of the hundred dollar Bill is is covered in poop. That's kind of what's going like the goal is to go into what might otherwise be productive conversation or discussion and completely derail. It a nonsensical. Trolling. It's meant to be replicated and spread again. Again, come an inside joke. Like, Pepe the frog cartoon. So it sounds like it's sarcasm. But like at scale like it's just a lot of it. Yeah. Yeah. That would be fair. If you didn't grow up on the trunks of the internet that I grew up on in that the the Christ Church shooter grew up on you don't really get it shipped. Posting was the mother tongue of the man accused of shooting scores of Muslim people in New Zealand last week before he got out of his car armed with an assault rifle. He posted a note to an internet message board saying it's time to stop ship hosting in time to make a real life effort. He left behind. A seventy four page manifesto, which was Pandora's box ship hosting part of the joke of the was it didn't matter that nothing that happened there mattered was both something you'd throw it people who started taking the internet too seriously at arguing or Vate, and it was something that you would kind of relish in like inning lists of the internet. I hear you say that though, and I'm like this shooting proves that's not true. Yep. But not to them. It's a joke on Chan it's very difficult to get yourself in these people's heads. But the response at least in the immediate the first couple of hours afterwards was I would describe it as riotous glee. I think a lot of the Nazi stuff the white nationalist stuff. The the eliminationist rhetoric the talk of wanting to destroy people that started his jokes because that was part of what you went to those chunks of the internet four that sort of shock of a provokes a laughing response and over a period of time it stopped being a joke. Today. Roberts can explain the world. Dish shooter lived in and how ship sting can lead to real world violence. There's a history here history. That might explain what we do. Now. I'm Mary Harris. You're listening to what next stay with us. The New Zealand shooter spent time on eight Chan a message board that was created to give people who are being banned from other message boards a place to go. It's like a last refuge on the internet for the worst kind of inhumane thoughts. I would be hard pressed to name a worse chunk of the internet than eight Chan. Can you just take me there? Can you like can you log on for me? And just like, here's what you see. And here's what's happening. Oh, yeah. In fact, I've got a tab open right now. Because I'm a broken person who reads these people too often. Okay. So rules for users the eight Chan global rule applies no illegal content in the United States of America, which is broken very regularly. But someone's gotta posted one post below that is somebody discussing how the attack on Christ Church was clearly a false flag. Another person says it's just another Kami and Muslim op in then someone response to that you dumb effing negro. Do you once think the controlled government is not going to take your guns in stop the immigration? Why do you trust your own argument? Go back to your sandbox where you belong to Bob, which is a racist comment against middle easterners. Yeah. More and more stuff. Like that. There's pictures of a Sonnen ran, which is a white nationalist symbol that the shooter head on his chest epaulets one of those in a comment. There's more argument about whether or not it's a false flag. Which is what the debate has turned into after the shooting is is a lot of people claiming it's a false flag. Suspect. Some of them believed that I suspect some of them are just doing it to try to create enough plausible deniability that they don't get shut down. It's essentially posting there's a lot of people blaming it on the Jews and boy holiday. I can tell you half the times, I see the word juice on hair. It's all capitalized are there jokes on their tail? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, a lot of these are jokes just aren't funny to you or me, but their jokes. Tell me about that. So one of the posts on here, there's a picture of Dylann roof, the Charleston church shooter and the words attached to the post are just do it faggot. Yeah. We're talking about a message board right now. But I know that you did this study were you looked at online fascists to try to figure out like how they got there. And you found that YouTube was actually a really important part of the process. Can you explain how people got from watching some seemingly innocent thing on YouTube to ending up in these terrible message boards that spew hate so YouTube has an algorithm because it's it's too big. Or at least a lot of the people at Google believe. It's too big for the content to be curated by humans in this algorithm. Decides what you see next after you watch YouTube video the goal of YouTube salver is to keep you on YouTube as long as possible because that makes the most money for Google the issue with that is the algorithm has learned because it's a learning algorithm that the kind of content. That keeps you on YouTube. The longest is the stuff. That's most controversial. It doesn't need to be truthful for it to do that. Well, it's common enough that there's a word for it, which is red pilling, which is like, yeah. Your transition from a normal person to someone who's watching the Nazi videos. I wonder if you could introduce me to one person who you met how they went from, you know, regular Joe to something very different one guy described himself as watching documentaries about Hitler. And then coming across a documentary called the greatest story never told which is the single most cited piece of YouTube propaganda by these neo-nazis and the greatest story never told his like a seven hour documentary that's made up with clips of other documentaries. This guy whoever made it stole clips from movies about World War Two in other documentaries, but overlaid them with his own Narran. And it's essentially the. Story of World War do but told from a pro Hitler perspective at because it's got so many clips from older documentaries from history channel, documentaries and movies YouTube puts it in the same category as that stuff, or at least did I think they've gotten better moving that specific thing as time went on part of the problem of YouTube is that, you know, something put together by legitimate historian can look the same something put together by a far-right propagandist. Because they just both need to be reasonably good at editing. So what you're really painting the picture of is kind of unholy alliance between white nationalist with a very specific message and an algorithm with no specific message, but that likes to make money and likes to stimulate you. And the two of those things together kind of supercharging each other. Yeah, I in some of this is a real fundamental issue in in what? The internet has developed into in the last decade and change because if you would slate, for example, we're to start publishing like holocaust denial propaganda. That would be the end of your site. That would be the end of your career as journalist that would be like, it would be very easy for people to be like, this isn't okay, what has happened here. But if You Tube serves Pollock Austin, idol propaganda to ten million people YouTube makes a lot of money and there's no consequence. And you you don't really see what's happening until you read. What these guys are saying I'm struck by the fact that like there was actually a style guide that was only. I think from the daily Stormer. Yeah. Seeing like you should use. I ready you should use humor. That's how we get people in the door. They're very aware of this. There's definitely evidence that once people became aware of what the Caribbean was doing. They started trying to manipulate it to to read pill more p they're not dumb. Like, the the Christ Church shooter was not a dumb guy. He understood how to make his shoot and go viral. And this is something I think that a lot of people don't get because in the wake of the shooting. He had a lot of folks. Like, Ben Shapiro who I come back to a lot because he's a significant part of this who would say stuff like don't use the shooter's name don't spread as manifesto don't spread his videos. You know, you're giving him what he wants if you do that. And that's a fundamental misunderstanding of what this guy was going for because this guy was not trying to get his manifesto in his video spread around the normal users of Twitter. He wasn't trying to. To become famous to you in me. He was trying to become famous on HSEN and on other similar dark chunks of the internet. Because those are the people that he knew would be most influenced by the text of his manifesto. And those are the people he knew that he could convince to carry out more shootings. I mean, we're talking about what happened in Christ Church. And this guy's manifesto as revealing how extremely online he was is. And that's true. But part of what I think is interesting about your research is that you've shown how this online version of white nationalism is really a kind of reboot of white nationalism from the fifties and sixties. Oh, yeah. You know shit posting really has its origins with a guy named George Lincoln Rockwell. Rockwell was the founder of the American knocked the party in nineteen fifty nine. So they can how racist you have to be to be forming a Nazi party fifteen years after the end of the war fourteen years after the end of the war. So where there's there's thirty year olds walking around who can remember Auschwitz. So Rockwell one of his strategies was he would follow Martin Luther King junior around at his rallies. And he would carry gigantic signs that were covered in racial slurs were covered in anti semitic slurs, and he drove around in what he called the hate bus, which was a bus that was painted in all of these these garish incredibly obscene slurs like the F B in the nineteen sixties, which was very racist organization. That FBI was shocked by the racist displayed by George Lincoln Rockwell. Come into George Lincoln Rockwell. You are head of the American Nazi party. Yes, sir. I'm sure viewing on the way that hit there with the Jews five hit the Jews of Germany the same way with all failures the same way. We will. I think he has been lied about more than any human being history accept Jesus Christ. And the reason he did this the reason that he he made his signs and his his immediate that he exposed people do so extreme is that he just wanted to make them angry. He didn't care about convincing them in the moment. He wasn't trying to do anything, but derail number one these civil rights marches that he would show up at he wanted to get more attention. And so he wanted to be as extreme as possible. But he also had a belief that he stated quite openly that you couldn't convince people have anything the only way to have an impact on someone was to cause them to have an extreme motion reaction. So. Humaid someone angry or horrified that was as good as anything else because you could influence them because that's the state of mind in which people are susceptible to having their mind changed. I mean, it strikes me that back in the sixties. There was just one George Lincoln Rockwell. But now we have a whole bunch of people doing similar sorts of things on the internet. Yeah. Part of that is because of how anonymous it is because you can get away on a place like a chance poll board, you can you can do that stuff all day long. You can say these horrible things you can cheer on a mass shooter. And then you can go into your job at a Bank or wherever it is you work, and no one's the wiser. And this is something where I think the the anti-fascists online antifa in particular have really been right for the last couple of years because one of the things that they have been doing. And most of what they do online is doc. These people is going through leaked chat logs from their groups and finding clues these people have posted. So that they can eventually expose. This person is a member of this group. Here's his face. Here's where he works. Here's what he does for a living. Here's the community. He lives in and a lot of people a lot of liberals in particular said that this was not, okay. And that antifa shouldn't be doing this. And that it was an unreasonable escalation in the anti-fascist would argue no people, particularly people of color need to know who in their community is a Neo Nazi if this guy the Christ Church shooter if he'd been Gok st- four months before this shooting, maybe someone would have recognized what was going on. Maybe someone at the store that sold him guns would have recognized what was going on. I also think you know. A lot of people are talking about trying to shut down chance poll board. I think rather than that FBI agents, you know, law enforcement international law enforcement, really there should be people monitoring this form at all times that calls back to to the sixties and how we used to have a lot more domestic intelligence work. I think and it sounds like what you're saying is if we want to really confront this online threat, we need to look back to what we did when someone like George Lincoln Rockwell was around yet because his group was heavily infiltrated by the FBI and heavily infiltrated by a countering violent extremism. Researchers to college students in some cases who would pose as Nazis for long periods of time just to understand what was going on in these groups, and there is some of that happening in h in. There's people who do go into this. And try to understand it. I just you question, which is you talked about dachshund. I wonder if you're. Commending that because you feel like the platforms, and the governments aren't gonna take any action here. The Evan yet. I do believe in in working with law enforcement to try to stop this. But they don't know what to do right now. And they don't have a lot of resources to do anything. There's not the political will with this current administration to fix this. But you know, there are some thorny or questions, which is just like what can you do legally to stop this stuff? One of the terms that I think everyone listening to this podcast is going to start hearing a lot more often as there are more of these massacres over the course of twenty nineteen is still casting terrorism. And so cast a terrorism is randomly generated terrorism through the internet. It's it's essentially throwing enough propaganda out there that you convince people to carry out attacks randomly like different people around the world. And this is this is very related to something. Old inspirational terrorism, which is is has been doing for a while. Isis will put out a magazine saying, hey, if you can't buy a gun if you live in a country where you can't get guns rent a truck driving to a crowd declare your allegiance, the Islamic state, and then hope that some random person who sympathetic to ISIS reads it and carries out an attack and that works, but it sounds like what you're saying. Is that we've kind of started this snowball rolling downhill, and there's not a great way to stop it. Yeah. Because inspirational terrorism is a legal if you're saying go kill people. That's a legal. If you're just saying Muslims are killing white people. Muslims of killing white people immigrants are at breeding white people. And if you say that over and over and over again to people who are believe you. Well, then eventually those people are left with no other decision in their minds, but to kill non white people. But you're not breaking the law because it's not illegal to say white people are being out bred by immigrants. That's legal. Even if the Indra result of it is. Is people are going to murder immigrants. We had a big problem with with white nationalism and fascist organisations in the the late eighties early nineties in the United States groups, like the hammer skin nation, the area nations, which are mostly defunct. Now, did oh the KKK David dukes KKK was big sort of during that like in the eighties some of the early nineties, and then you know, they dropped off. They got infiltrated to significant degree a lot of them went to jail. You know, it started. It got to the point where you know in the early two thousands. If you could get fifty people at a clan gathering or a Neo Nazi rally that was a huge rally and a lot of these groups were almost dead, and then they started congregating online. And I didn't initially make this point. I read it from another researcher on Twitter whose whose name spacing right now. But a lot of the internet are essentially long-term, permanent LAN rallies and every now, and then someone leaves that rally in commits a mass shooting. But they would never have been able to gather like this in this kind of numbers in organiz in radicalized in this way, without the internet without the anonymity given by the internet, which gets back to the platforms and the servers and the tech industry, any what should we all be looking for this week from a place like YouTube from a place like eight Chan from a place like four Chan in terms of YouTube, people need to be putting pressure on YouTube to fix their algorithm or to stop it. The problem is they're never gonna do that on their own. I don't believe they will. I think they might try to make some changes to the outer rhythm. You know, other researchers have talked to people that YouTube directly about this and the reactions that's ridiculous. You don't know what you're talking about? This is not a problem. How many bodies do they need to see? I don't know. But they continue to not take it seriously. And I think it's because they can't take it seriously and continue. To be profitable in the way that they have been. I think there need to be advertiser boycotts of YouTube, and I suspect eventually there needs to be regulation. There's precedent for terrorist groups using these services to recruit and being stopped because in two thousand fourteen in thirteen fifteen when ISIS was ascendant. They were using all of these social media platforms YouTube, but primarily Twitter and Facebook to recruit and they recruited an army through these services. Tens of thousands of people went to Iraq and Syria and a lot of them started their path to going there via conversations on Twitter on Facebook and videos and stuff on YouTube. And there was a very successful multi-national effort to stop that involving governments involving volunteers and involving the social media services themselves. We have not seen that applied to the white nationalist terrorists movement in part of it is because. People don't see the international fascist movement that way, but it is the tree of life synagogue shooter the Christ Church mosque shooter and Lieutenant Christopher Hassen. Who's the Coast Guard Lieutenant who almost carried out a massacre in the US and was only stopped because he was caught buying drugs on the same work computer, who's using Planas massacre. These guys are all part of the same terrorist organization, essentially, even though there's no individual organization, they're a part of their a part of this international fascist movement, which is attempting to radicalize more people all around the world to carry out more attacks to provoke more division into eventually bring the United States and other nations to the break impasse, the brink of a civil war because they believe that will lead to the white Ethno states that they want to see brought to life. Robert Evans writes about countering violent extremism for Belling cat and his host of the podcast behind the bastards. All right. That's the show. What next is hosted by me, Mary Harris and produced by Mary Wilson, Jason Delio on an animal Artan. I was gonna ask you to leave a rating and review, but you could just hold the door open for someone today or you could follow me on Twitter at Mary's desk. Thank you for listening talk to you tomorrow.

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Part One: The Eternal Fascist

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Part One: The Eternal Fascist

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It's on the internet forever and there's no way can be edited out can't edit audio so without further ado do the war on everyone. Thank you thank you for that reaction chapter. One the eternal fascist <hes> under ninth and tenth nineteen thirty eight nazi stormtroopers party members took to the streets of cities throughout germany. They burned synagogues shattered. The windows of jewish owned buildings beaten murdered hundreds upon hundreds of jewish people in the streets. This bloody pogrom is known to history as kristallnacht the night of broken glass. It's one of those moments in history so shocking and brutal that it's become stained in our collective consciousness a single moment of her forever printed on the human psyche adolf hitler and the other members of the nazi high command considered kristallnacht to have been a failure rather than being enthused by the violence. The german people were horrified by this outpouring of brutality world media harshly condemned hitler's regime and from their plush offices in berlin the fewer and his inner circle began to revise their plans on how to sell antisemitic brutality to their people joseph gurbuz decided that film was the right medium to help crack this nut his efforts culminated in the nineteen forty production. The eternal jew the essential through line of this particularly vile piece. The propaganda was the idea that jewish people were in age old parasitic force leaching off their host nations and almost obituary working to undermine stabilize them as with most pieces of racist propaganda baganda the eternal jew reveals more about the man who made it than it does about judaism. There is no eternal jew but there might be an eternal fascist umberto eco. Go was probably the first person to really grasp this idea and try to find it. His nineteen ninety-five essay fascism is still one of the single best pieces of writing on the subject. Now echo is an italian novelist finalised literary critic and a professor. He was born into fascist italy. In nineteen forty to the age of ten. He won an award and a provincial competition for young fascist where he gave an elaborate positive the answer to the question. Should we die for the glory of mussalini and the immortal destiny of italy. I mean that is a good question. I asked myself that question for a ten year old. Oh yeah should we die for the glory of mussalini. You're not gonna get an award. Oh yeah yeah no no is now echo came to hate fascism slightly later in life and he came also loved the partisans and rebels who fought back against benito mussalini regime as he grew older begin to analyze his world and the history behind the war that had torn apart his childhood echo found himself drawn again and again to a single question. What is a fascist now. That's not an easy question to answer most dictionary definitions you will find for the word fashion leave rather a lot to be desired. Here's merriam webster's definition fission a political philosophy movement regime such as that of the fishy sti that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader severe economic and social regimentation and forcible suppression of opposition now like that works for the nazis but it does for like mao to like every redick derek frustrating definition. Yeah requires like the end to be what is happening. Yeah i. i kind of that. So frustratingly much on the internet is through no doing this yeah so well. That's not how it works yeah so does that mean that like did not see brown. Shirts weren't fascist because there wasn't a a regime right. It's the different stages where the fashion yeah germany twenties or like not. What are you yeah yeah. It's like picking an endpoint in it. Also you just like you could apply that to stalin and like it's the same definition applies of fascism applies to stalin and hitler. I don't think it's a good definition of fascist. Real bad people just generally just sort of they switched the word fascist with authoritarian yeah. That's what they think it is and it's it's fascism is authoritarian but authoritarianism isn't fascism to square rombas kind of deal. It's very <unk> frustrating yeah and i. I think one of the reasons that that definition is so frustrating to me. Is that it it quits fascism to like every other system that ins with dictators and stuff stuff like i said with authority and i think one of the things that it leaves out. That's most important about fascism is that fascism isn't just a system that involves dictators. It's a system that arises out of and murders democracies. That's where fascism tends to come from the as it kills republics frustration with democracy yeah. It's frustrating. There's lots of things it's a lot of things it's a reaction to a lot of things but specifically it <hes> it like most of the detailer ships come from another kind of dictatorship ship lake. You know we got the u._s._s._r. Out of the czars and like neither government was good like as opposed to like we got the nazis out of <hes> as a republican my republic yeah that's why like a lot of what <hes> robert paxton rights to because he goes through the ashes and scholar robert pack stages ages that you go through we'll know it starts here and then you go to this phase and then it's this thing and it's it's a it's an evolution of movement. Yes than it is like here's what i want. The government to be yeah and what i like about umberto eco is that he understood that fascism was a singular and specific thing accepted from the rest of authoritarianism arenas deserve. I'd be studied separately because of its ability to kill vibrant healthy democratic societies and i liked it echo when he tried that define fascism in that fascism essay he wasn't just sort of looking back into the past he was trying to analyze kind of the things that are timeless about the mental impulses behind fascism ashes them so that he could provide a definition that would be useful to recognizing it again when it came about in the future rather than just being like. Is this what the germans were doing. In nineteen twenty no within its not fascism right yeah a good start to the conversation about what is fascist <hes> yeah. It's a great start so in that essay he wrote quote. I think it is possible to outlined list of features that are typical of what i would like to call earth fascism or eternal fascism. These features could not be organized into a system. Many of them contradict each other in are also typical of other kinds if despotism or fanaticism but it is enough that one of them be present to allow fascism to coagulate around it. I like that idea that it's like. There's a couple of different things that fascism it's magnetic holes these things in it becomes fascism <hes> but it's not guaranteed to do so because each of these things can things yeah and they can fall apart. Yeah you know it can start and then just doesn't get did we talked about a oswald. Mosley together started to in england but then fell apart yeah. It doesn't always as continue to that environment. Marian webster was right but it's still that was fascism. Just not the four yeah yeah so echoes echos concept of eternal fashion starts with a cult of tradition the belief that truth has been already spelled out once and for all and we can only keep interpreting it's obscure message <hes> whether whether you're looking at like the nazis and their concept of like the the aryan civilization or you're looking at say modern american fascism in this idea that there was a point in which america was great imperfect that that that that seems like a really yeah that seems like a key aspect of fascism <hes> now it you could kind of translate this to conservatism which doesn't mean that conservatives are all fascist but it does mean that fascism always jesse states inside a conservative treatment yeah it usually usually at like a reaction to like liberal liberal developments. Yes yeah and if that's another frustrating thing where like you don't want to say like your fascist but it it is there's no a lot of these beliefs in a lot of these things you're holding onto can co like it's it coagulate around it. I just love the work incomes. I think a good way to look at fascism is like conservatives are the crew crew of the drama. Oh in the first alien movie and fascism is the the chest burster that comes out of that guys jesse dinner yeah yeah yeah yeah like he's not an alien but he gives birth to one in the same way that conservatism can give birth to fascism and then yeah then they help and then they this can many can slowly turn into them yeah and some of them fight it with flame throwers but fail because they wind up getting into the vincent stuff and like you shouldn't fight an alien and the vents nor should you fight fascism on its own terms. There's a lot of political lessons to be gleaned. Frank scott salient what ridley scott's alien and has details about the nature of fascism so the next thing that echo stated as sort of like a key to fascism or is like a piece of earth fascism the rejection of modernism particularly rejection of modern depravity as traditionally marginalized and oppressed group stand up for human rights in modern societies fascists will inevitably seek to to reverse these trends the first books nazis burned where magnus hirschfeld's library of research on transgender individuals hatred of trans men and women is still a central unifying tenant of modern earn fascism and then there's the cult of action for action sake expressed as a worship of the soldier of the man with a gun in his hand willing to do violence at a moment's notice for fascists just according to echo thinking is a form of emasculation great line. Yeah masculine yeah yeah thinking too long about something is like <hes> it's unmanly. You're gonna take take action now. Echo also recognized a rejection of criticism and disagreement is central to fascism awesome quote. The critical spirit makes distinctions into distinguish is a sign of modernism. Now i find this interesting because in our modern era eight chance po board is one of the largest just gathering places for neo nazis on the internet. It's a community that spawned about the christ church massacre in the power synagogue shooting it was formed as a direct result of gamer gate in gamer gate was of course four scenarios movement inspired by rage video game critics and reviewers even primarily female game critics interviewers talk you sexy ah yeah i find it interesting that back in the nineteen nineties echo looking back at the past determines that like it's a rejection of <hes> criticism <hes> <hes> and then where do we see this modern movement. I really start to bubble up in a meaningful way. It's two thousand fourteen gamer gate. That's the precursor to the trump. Mm campaign and you gotta whizz definitely has a lot of shades yeah. They're really interesting to impart away. Think echoes analysis is so good because you can look forward from from the analysis and see that he really nails mostly everything he says in that is like oh yeah yeah fuck fuck so racism racism and hatred of diversity exploitation of the natural fear of differences. These are the other other characteristics of fascism echo recognized or fascism as derived from social frustration generally rising out of an appeal to a frustrated middle class at class suffering from economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups could translate that in america's fear of white people in the disappearing white middle class of is reality just like growing equality of lower other colored social groups but looks like losing grants. If this sort of a self victimization kind of yeah 'cause viewing yourself as a victim when that's actually not quite like everywhere all the time would be ripe for fascism cause to you know hit off rio complex society. I think is yeah yeah diversity and democracy in and things like that and it's just like <hes> you know a manipulation of these innate inhuman based fears yeah a complex free society is never more than about four years away from fascism <hes> um i think yeah i think america's especially unique to just because of our <hes> our claimed drive for multiculturalism and and you you know or a country of immigrants all that kind of talk no it's easy to exploit and blame yeah and it. It's a part of the appeal of fascism awesome is that in times of growing inequality it promises all of its members type of equality which is like we're all members of this nation right uh-huh bets like great even though like we may occupy very different places within this nation like we can all feel superior to everyone else. This is the best nation right a place where people i'm the winner. I'm one of the winners world because you're here. You're a winner to yeah. It's more like class collaboration yeah than class this conflict yeah yeah yeah yeah. That's that's kind of key now. Fascism of course requires an absolute rejection of pacifism since life is lived for struggle war is permanent under fascism ashes and we see this translated in our modern fascist movements in an obsession with the tools in aesthetics of war blackened cammo and tactical everything earlier in the day. I wrote this that was browsing twitter and i came across a photo of someone's bug out bag. He wrote in the twitter post. How's this for a bug out bugaku setup now if you aren't aware boo glue is a far right term for the civil award that they believe is coming as in civil war to electric blue blue now this fellow's emergency preparedness kit for bugaku contained no food no water no medical supplies his gas mask did not have actual filters with it but he did have an a._r. Fifteen rifle a twelve gauge shotgun a glock sidearm with a thirty round magazine and a forty four magnum revolver over along with a tomahawk axe throwing knife stylish green body armor the same shea does his tactical backpack in helmet artillery's yeah thank thirty pounds of weapons and no food burma cheesman gamer dorks yeah. He's going to be able to shoot his food. You guys there were a lot of veterans being like c. Brought four different calibres of weapon. I can't really a real ending on losing a lot of them. Yeah eh and are you planning on like carrying different ammo for all those different guns yeah very dumb but seeing this post brought to mind what echo wrote about the fascist armageddon complex quote since enemies have to be defeated there must be a final battle after which the movement will have control of the world but such a final solution implies a further era of peace. He's golden age which contradicts the principle of permanent war. No fascist leader has ever succeeded in solving this predicament yeah yeah i'll get murdered. All kinda doesn't work out very well because it's a death cult yeah interesting that the it's the the constant warfare is interesting to me just because of the united states like the united states being unique to that in just like maybe two years of its existence is not been at war. Maybe i mean we had we had the we had the nineties. We didn't get involved in much more in the night much but they're still worst yeah police act in this age where it's like. I mean they're people that <hes> i don't maybe not yet but within a year or two we'll be fighting in afghanistan. They will not have been born when we got nine eleven like that's. I mean you're you're. You're born grow afghanistan's not a war. It's it's a tradition <hes> exit. Well exactly exactly. It's weird how it starts to i mean it feels like a war but it doesn't feel like a war. It's just been this lingering thing what's going on over there. It's a state of a lot of what happens. We don't remove it completely any who speaking have permanent war in afghanistan <hes> time for an ed pivot yes products and services that a little it don't profit from the warren afghantistan. How do you know that you'd help you never know you never you never know <hes> buy these products and less. The product is the war in afghanistan which would be a weird product to advertise on my podcast. Don't buy it. That sounds really expensive to not a good deal. 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We're back so he was very proud of me for that transition and unlike pros clipping right along so <hes> back to earth fascism umberto eco goes on to name contempt for the week the cult of the hero kashif mo and a sense of contempt for women infinity as other key aspects of incipient fascism for a fascist movement to evolve a number of these things must coalesce together generally generally around the personality of a single charismatic man with dreams of power this man will of course never admit to desiring power instead he claims to speak for some broad mass of the population acclaimed majority that stands behind him and his movement echo called this qualitative populism and noted that in the modern era quote we no longer need the pe- as of an easy zia in rome or the nuremberg stadium. There is in our future a t._v. Or internet populism in which the emotional response of selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the the voice of the people eighteen ninety six what yours are now not that many years later later yeah yeah the <hes>. That's the the selective populism is the one where it's just the most obvious thing yeah and no one seems to at at least in the media seemed to care pointed out that like he's not actually speaking for america he says he is. I don't know it's not a fan that good donahue. I'm talking about just hypothetically hypothetically. If there were a fascist in america and the general he could <hes> so that's what i've got to say about umberto uh-huh echoes fascism <hes>. I think it's a really good analysis. I think he gets a lot of things but i also think he missed something and since y'all are listening to my audio audio book or in this case helping me present my audience. I hope you'll forgive my arrogance and adding one new element of fascism echoes list comedy <music>. I might be a better way to phrase it. Fascism often wraps itself and humor as a way to disguise its true intentions as black comedy and test the waters for its most extreme named goals if you're someone who's paid attention to the rise of fascism on the internet if you followed my work on h._&_r. Read about the outright and you understand what i'm getting at but you probably view this as a new wrinkle in the history of fascism the truth is that goes back all the way to the beginning okay would a picture of the personality of the fewer what he was like on the day-to-day basis to the people he liked entrusted hitler's table talk is about the best resource that exists starting in nineteen forty one martin bormann hitler's secretary convinced his boss to allow a series of aids to transcribe his private conversations for posterity. Oh my god oh yeah. It's quite a read katie. Oh my god. How did i not know about this. Oh it's hot fire also sounds really stupid of him to allow so some of these were the traditional hillary ranting monologue expect others were just you know chats between courses during dinners and the like there's a lot of debate as to how truly off the cuff any of these were but hitler's table talk is generally regarded as an incredibly useful resource for understanding the minds of the top nazis in nineteen ninety eight book explaining hitler journalist and historian historian ron rosenbaum turned to the table talk record several times in his attempt to understand essence how bouncing baby adolf turned into genocidal warlord. We all know in hate at one point point. He focuses on a single passage in particular quote the passage in which hitler himmler and heidrick reynard heidrick one of the architects of the holocaust or a sensibly debunking the rumor which they know to be true that the jews are being exterminated. It's silly that people should say such things hitler piously averse when we're only parking the jews in the marshy parts of russia although he adds that if it were true it will be no less than the jews deserved. It seems to me a transparent charade in which the three architects of the final solution were becoming the first holocaust deniers the first revisionist so to speak and doing so in a particularly repulsive winking and nodding way so rosenbaum brought his theory to another scholar. A fellow named lang agreed that this was probably probably evidence of hitler and company concealing their crimes be a humor both to keep explicit discussion out of the historic record and so that those in the know could laughingly revel in their crappy lance. Lang lang said the inventiveness seems to me in some ways to really come to the heart of the matter even though it's subtler than the brutality premo levy used the phrase needless violence which is not quite what i'm saying is the element of gratuitousness it but it's more than the gratuitousness there seems to be this imaginative protraction elaboration that one's finds best exemplified in art forms in which in art we usually take to be indicative of consciousness and artistic consciousness of an overall design now. This is interesting to me because one of the things that you find when you really browse through a lot of eight chan in conversations is a lot of talk joking talk about how the c._i._a. Or the f._b._i. Carried out these false flag attacks which if you just read it straight you could see as people like legitimately jibbidy thinking that there was a conspiracy slander their website but i think the more i read none of these people really believe in that it's just it's part of the joke like they're joking that like take these massacres were carried out by a state agency to slander fascist website like people that they agree with and are glad yeah in our happiest. Have you been doing it yeah yeah so for nazis in their modern descendants descendants shitting is a form of art. It's never enough to gain power even to hurt or kill your rivals. These people's people's ultimate goal is to shift the nature of reality itself to be further in line with their own narcissistic beliefs. An irony is a powerful tool for achieving that lang goes on brutality brutality is straightforward. It's not imaginative. This isn't just brute strength. It seems to me that there is a sense of irony constantly the sign over the entrance gate to auschwitz. You know our bike macht. Frei work will make you free. It's like a joke. It is a joke the orchestra playing as these people go out to work and we're back at the ron. Burgundy podcast season do baby carolina. Here is a pathological liar okay so so what does her brain look like. I normally would disagree with this but i made a pact with run earlier so y'all. Let's go with that wendy. Brush your teeth. Whenever what else does on holidays and sometimes i forget. I'm not perfect smell of your breath. Bother you mean the smell of rare steak and aged whiskey. No okay that doesn't bother me because you're bleeding a little bit for the back of your shirt that means it was a good waxing. They got the entire hair follicle. He say i know so ran is. How long has it been bleeding. It's been bleeding all night long. Cheat on accent had to throw my sheets out. This is ron burgundy until next time. Don't use public restrooms listened to the ron burgundy podcast on apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or or wherever you find your podcasts. We're back now. Hiller sense of humor is not something we talk about much but perhaps we we should ironic humor was used regularly by the early fuhrer during his rise to power in august of nineteen twenty during one of his first speeches hitler told an audience that he supported quote removal of the jews from our nation not because we would begrudge them their existence. We congratulate the rest of the whole world on their company. This line was met with widespread laughter so funny. It's funny line. Yeah yeah yeah yeah lucy devito. It's a holocaust scholar who brought that speech to rosenbaum's attention believed that the joke in the thing hitler's. There's audience was laughing at was not the line we congratulate the rest of the whole world on their company but the earlier line we do not begrudge them their existence. When it quote again from explaining planning hitler this dividend which suggests an inside joke for party members who know the secret meeting that in fact they do begrudge they are dedicated to eradicating the jews existence now reading that quote brings to mind post found on eight chance poll board during one of my regular sessions browsing that image board and between the mass shootings carried out by its members in one threat. I found a nonce discussing sa value of comedic memes about mass killings away to camouflage their very real efforts to inspire more massacres one user typed. The best thing about this is that they being the f._b._i. And the c._i._a. Will never be able to discern ironic tongue in cheek frog poster from a man of action like taranto bowers. We have all the plausible deniability in the world and unless they are going to start locking people up for shit it posting we have nothing to fear. Oh yeah the okay <hes> it's the illustration of that's how bad their sense of humor is jokes yeah. What are you doing what vocation sophie is a signaling her membership ship and the far-right delightedly might i add delightedly in the decades since adolf hitler shot himself in that bunker ironic racist humor has been one through line connecting every nazi and fascist movement. That's arisen around the world george lincoln rockwell the founding father of american nazism head has men's dress up in racist gorilla costumes to interrupt events and distract attract attention from civil rights activists. The main weakness of rockwell's humor was that it was far too overt in hateful to be viewed as ironic by most americans but down through the years. His descendants have gotten much better. It's straddling the fine line between doug whistling people in the know and maintaining plausible deniability one a good example would be count danquah a failed u._k. Political candidates like you said his name. Oh my god yeah we're on the same sales are finding hard count dracula a failed bucay political candidate who first achieved notoriety for a video in which he trained his dog to sig hieaux when he was fined for this he was able to frame himself as a free speech crusader in raise thousands thousands of dollars while claiming to fight back against political correctness. There is tremendous power within humor. It's why satirists and comedians are some of the first people purged by any dictatorial regime. It's nothing nothing is more important to fascist than to look cool and serious and powerful getting hit by a milkshake is worse for a nazi than getting hit by a brick blood looks cool milkshakes look like milkshakes but humor also has an incredible ability to act as a sort of ideological trojan horse allowing ideas to sneak into someone's mind cloaked his jokes actual fascists snow. This is why the nazis on eight chance spent so much time crafting means to spread their ideas but this process can take place even within the head of an individual fascist. We're back in two two thousand sixteen joe cox a member of parliament for the labor party in the united kingdom was shot and stabbed to death by a fascist terrorist named thomas maher mayor's chief stated influence was an earlier british fascist terrorist david copeland back in the year. Two thousand copeland killed three people and injured dozens more by setting off a series of nailbombs. He picked the locations he bombed because they had high black and asian populations. According to the guardian quote he came up with the idea when a bomb went off centennial park during the olympic games in atlanta for years ago. Oh he told the police that the notting hill carnival was on about the same time said mr sweeney he began to wish that someone would blow up the notting hill carnival to start off with. He treated the thought as a joke but he could not get it out of his head thought became stronger. He woke up one day and decided he was going to do it now. Last year carried out a study for the journalistic collective belen cat <unk>. I come through hundreds of online conversations between the fascist activists plan the first deadly unite the right rally in charlottesville. My goal was to find out how these men had been red build or converted to their extremist beliefs chiefs over and over again. These fascist mentioned the influence ironic jokes at had on their ideological evolution. One conversation stands out in particular to me in it. One fascist recalled yeah. I read pill came during an argument over an anti semitic joke he soft posted the facebook jokes respondent argument and quote then i saw people nagging juice so i joined in as a mean first off then all of a sudden it stopped being a mem- much of the war on everyone will discuss moments in the history of the american fascist movement that are much bloodier in a lot less <unk> silly than shit posters on the internet we will talk about hard bitten militiamen this acts of terror and method and methodical plans of genocide that are anything but ironic when we talk about the original nazi party or george lincoln rockwell the american militia movement that culminated in the oklahoma city bombing or today's mean spouting ironic fascists. It's easy to look at all these things as separate discrete excrete problems spouting up at different times and inspired by different causes but i think that's wrong is looking at men like timothy mcveigh brinton tarrant as lone wolves each swell insurgent jeff fascism across the world and across time is more like the eruption of a cold sore the underlying causes of virus that has ever present during world war two. We bombed it into submission for a while but like the herpes virus it never quite goes away it continued to lurk underneath the surface hiding an off color jokes at bars hand-printed magazines and eventually internet forms until our nation's immune system grew weak enough for it to flare up once more. It's anyone's guess what happens next man comparing fascism to herpes very good yeah. That's that's really like the one that like i've considered cancer and like a virus but like these kids suppress that there really there isn't a cure for thank you can but it's gonna come back yeah. Cancer is closer to capitalism yes to keep growing and growing and growing otherwise yeah yeah so that's chapter one. I feel like i should sign off by throwing one of these cans. You have a preference as to what i throw first. Manny's manny's pete it almost hit katie cody <hes> would have been that <hes> well isn't real bad didn't explode didn't explode says he hates mayonnaise but he was secretly hoping that that devils come case lying that would have been like satan ejaculated on the back of his head. I was hoping that too that it would just burst yeah i was. I was really hoping i guess that's the best place for it to happen. Yeah my head unless like acidic <unk> burning my scalp and then i die cody. If you had a budget man as as in the back of your head you'd be mad for days and days. I would leave would never stop obsessing about it he'd be asking do. I smell like it's are still. It feels greasy. I feel like it's greasy. I'm gonna go wash my hands again. Even though it didn't touch my hand washing machine here you could just do the next episode to naked inside washing machine. We'll know go take back clothes in the washing machine. I feel like i would have to go in the washing machine to take care of it. My first cat died in the washing machine whoa to real fuck. I thought i thought that when in in the episode that airs tuesday we do that cat segment and one cat survived in the washing machine was like okay scott. Didn't it's heartbreaking yeah and anyway but close yeah. Actually we miss remembering it. Was the dryer still just as bad way worse way worse. Okay yeah you. You thought it was cozy. Sophie defied write. Her name was barbie. I wasn't creative. I was three or four anyway. I don't have damage the speaking of damage yowen plug year yeah yeah yeah. 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Private Facebook groups are using Justice for George Floyd as a cloak for racism (The Daily Charge, 6/17/2020)

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Private Facebook groups are using Justice for George Floyd as a cloak for racism (The Daily Charge, 6/17/2020)

"In. Their private facebook grits using labels light justice for George Floyd, Tabatha, fact that really just haven for racist rhetoric. We get inside one of these groups. I'm Roger, Chang and this is your daily charge. With me, senior reporters Derek Carr sharp chicken. Thanks for joining me. Thanks for having us now. You felt one prior facebook group titled Justice for George Floyd Presumably at this would be a place that people would go to talk about their support for black lives. Matter, but you've found something completely different. I you found yeah so. The circus level you look at this group in. It looks like many of the other justice for George Floyd groups that have popped up on facebook are it's descriptive. Is We want justice for the murder of George Floyd are has a nice illustration of him, and so it all seems pretty normal, but then once you take a look at the administrators in the moderators, things start to get a little fishy. Originally, the group had nine people who managed it, and not all, but probably half of them looked to be African. American, but then you click on each of their profiles, and you can see that they're not really who. Who they say they are. Yeah, I mean, and we should point out that this isn't alone. There are at least one hundred justice for George. Floyd groups that have popped up this particular one. You know it really was crazy how it was the admins who were kind of promoting these racist ideas You would see things in there, and it would be really offensive to anybody who is actually looking for justice for George Floyd so as happened. They had this name. Ten thousand people joined this group. They think that they're going to be talking about racial justice social justice, and instead they get attacked with hateful memes and. Other things and that the admins and the moderators don't do anything to shut it down. Let's get into that because without being too graphic. What are some of things? You saw a happy in this group? Interactions like yeah. We don't really WANNA. Talk about like specific posts, 'cause. We don't WanNA spread this, but you know it was. It was a lot of means you know looking at George Floyd's alleged arrest history. You know looking at his background a lot of themes of hey. Black people will come back to Africa You know there was anti Semitism. There were George. Soros conspiracy theories. There was pepe the frog. It was kind of the full gammit, but they were kind of careful with towing the line of not having anything to. Offensive it was offensive, but it wasn't like pornography or things that would immediately get flagged Darah. Do Yeah. There were lot in a lot of kind of accusations about George foy trying to take down his character. A lot of people saying you know here's the real story. George Floyd was drug addict. Here's a real story. George Floyd tried to. Show pointed a gun at a pregnant woman. You know trying to tear him down as who he was and really sidestep the point of what happened to him. And then and then this would create this very lively discussion. Some people saying like what are you talking about? Who who are these moderators? Why aren't they taking these down? And then other people chiming in and being like? Oh, thanks for letting US know and right in that kind of stuff. Well, that's the Like what does this group exists as a just for trolling or something more to this? While the experts we spoke to. said it's probably a mix of trolls and people kind of thinking this is funny, and then within there may be some more kind of hardcore white supremacists who are trying to. Garner sympathy for their beliefs and also bring more people to their side, and they used these like telltale textbook recruitment tactics. which is this kind of like? Let me tell you the real story. This kind of soft intro like this is what's really happening and then create these discussions and conversations, in which they can kind of lure people, n people, who who may not you know. have. Done the research on on what really happened? Short in terms of that that nation aspect a few. If there were examples who saw things you saw like. How? Some of the folks group were actually trying to. For lack a better word convert folks to their perspective. Yes, I mean. We saw a lot of things like using statistics conveniently so like one example so the way groups work private groups work is there's kind of the wall or people can post whatever I want, but then there's an announcement area where the admins and the moderators can can say things that everyone should see and they. They kind of stay always there and one of them was a statistic that more black people die, swimming than being killed by the police, and so the point on that was maybe black lives matter I think they said something like maybe black lives. Matter should teach swimming lessons, so it's things like that and they link to like you. You know legitimate statistics like CDC statistics for. For The Washington Post, or things like that to make it seem like Oh. Yeah, that is true. Oh, Gosh, these stats are true. That must be true. Oh, maybe they have a points and you kind of just start to start thinking those things. And then we saw other ways that they were trying to train people who were already trying to be trolls, but had a kind of. Of evade what facebook was doing like saying you know. Hey, you cannot post. Rumors of pornography are linked pornography in here, but you guys can talk about it all you want or you know we found in like you know. Some of the comments were more telling of I think of where the admins really were trying to take this and what they were trying to do. You know we'd see people posting. Racist hateful things and the admins being like hey. don't do as much of this on one post. Spread it around, and then you know the people being like Oh. Sorry I'm just kind of new to this trolling on facebook thing I'm trying to figure out, and then the admins would be like Oh. Yeah, you have to spread it around, or you'll get flagged and you'll get booted, but you know like. Yeah, you're doing you're you've got? It's a good start. You know that sort of thing. Well, that's. Yeah that's almost comical like how encouraging they're trying to be in terms of developing fostering young. Yeah, a lot of like. Don't be standing. I mean these groups are by their nature being private very under the radar. So how did you even find out about these? Yeah, so shy. I wrote a story a couple of weeks ago about misinformation spreading on twitter related to the protests, and after that, we were contacted by this guy who I've been calling him a citizen journalist. But he's, he's really taken upon himself to this research these. Types of groups in his free time, and so he was curious if there was. Fake groups take facebook counts proliferating during the protests and he, he found a handful. And so he was the original one who gave us these links and he's. He's found a whole bunch of other types of fake groups related to the to. Influencing US politics those are more foreign based groups and he he's found the groups that were organizing the protests against the coronavirus lockdowns, and in that one he actually found the the actual people who had Organiz the group. It was a couple of brothers in than who storm state capitals, so he was curious if you know. Who the! Real people were behind these groups, but we didn't. We didn't fully SUSS that out Gotcha. you actually talked to one of the moderators through facebook messenger interaction. Go like have that competition. Even you know, proceed. Yeah, so I reached out to all of the moderators you know I reached out to other people in the group to be like? Hey, was this what you expected or were? You kinda surprised when you got in here and it was a bunch of racist comments. And we should say like the moderators don't use their real names for the most part. Yeah, yeah, I mean they. Yeah. They used names like George Lincoln, which is a nod to the founder of the American Nazi Party. You know they all use fake profile photos fake cover photos. You know they. They're stealing other photos of of black activists black rappers. The moderator spoke to had taken a photo from a black rapper You know in our conversation. He was very polite. Articulate he said. It's interesting because you know. We thought we'd catch him in a lie because we knew his profile photo was not him like we knew it was A. A rapper named vibrator. And? We thought he was going to say something else, but instead he told a half truth, so he said Oh. Yeah, the profile photo is a rapper named Viper and I was like well. Why would you have this? And he said Oh. He was forced to swallow a like. Pain or something? Yeah crack, and he died in police custody, or you know police force him and I was like Oh you know, and so he said he did this in his honor and like I. Don't know the Rapper Viper says like okay and Vipers Alive. It's definitely a photo viper, but he's not dead, so it was these things that were like sound plausible, and you're like, Oh yeah, maybe and it was good like Darren I were you know honest. Side Channel while I was talking to this guy because he'd say things and I'm like. Oh, well. Maybe he isn't a troll. Endeavors like no, he is like he is. Because he you know he was. Yeah 'cause he was really talking about wanting justice for George Floyd and trying to. Spread awareness of racial issues and said that he went to marches and stuff and you know. He chatted with me for a really long time, and you could tell by the end of it that he was either having a look stuff up or figure out what he was saying, or he was getting tired of talking to me, but you know and he was like Oh you know I'm here anytime. Reach out whenever and then I got kicked out of the group almost immediately after talking to him, and I reached back out the next. Next Day it was just like Oh. Hey I noticed him not in the group. Do you know what happened and he's like? Oh, I'll check on that and get you back in immediately. And then his account disappeared. He's you know he's no longer active on facebook. Yeah, we verified that with facebook and they said that he he He wasn't just hiding his account like he was gone off the platform well speaking of facebook. What a you alerted facebook to this group. What was the reaction and have done anything about it? Their reaction was. Lukewarm. They, you know they said Hey has no place on our platform. The typical things that you hear when you ask these companies about what's happening, but basically they said there monitor the group, and if anything, if any content that pops up that violates. Policies that will take it down, but it has opted to leave the group up. Which Prion is pretty confusing, because it seems like there are a lot of policies that are being violated first and foremost that people are impersonating. have these impersonating accounts without their real names in real pictures which? Is Part of facebook's policies, are they also? There's a peaceful cats. Another policy that's against coordinated inauthentic behaviour. which is what he was to be happening here. This is group that's pretending to be about justice for George Floyd when in the end it's, it's exactly the opposite. We don't really understand. Why facebook! Has Let it stay because it does seem to be that. A lot of policies are being violated, but I smoke has been pretty. Opaque, and it's answers it is. It is a matter of the fact that this is a private group, and it's hard for facebook to see the content or or or facebook just not doing anything about this. No I mean they they can see. Everything on on this site, basically you know it's a little harder to police a private group because. They aren't maybe actively looking in the private groups, so it's really they need people to report things so like you need to like say like. Hey, this is offensive. You know and we even saw channel that the moderators. Making the point like Hey, don't do this stuff because it'll get reported. Don't do spammy stuff because it'll get reported You know the moderator. I talked to said the same thing you know. He was trying to position himself as being. You know a Social Justice Warrior and being in disagreement with some of the admins about what sort of things should get taken. Taken down, and you know he was saying that like he was saying he likes posts to flag that they should get removed instead of reporting them to facebook because he doesn't want the group deleted so You know facebook can see what's going on. It's just you know I think that they're. They're trying to kind of this line between like privacy and. Free speech. And You know having these groups that they're kind of pushing everyone to. They're pushing people. They want people to be in private groups. and they've kind of taken a choice that they're not going to take down a lot of things that maybe we all think should be removed. And lastly, how widespread is this problem? The vast majority are about justice for George Floyd. Some of them you go into and. There will be. It'll be an authentic group with authentic moderators. That's what's really different about this group. Is that the moderators? Themselves were the ones who are inauthentic, but. Ill have authentic moderators, but there'll be a lot of trolls. In, they're trying to upset people, and you'll see other ones where there's a lot of ads like. People are trying to sell. These horrible face masks. That's a you know the. Two ads it's people wearing a facemasks that says I can't breathe. and. Anyway. There's a lot of accounts with a lot of that stuff as far as the coordinated. Behavior! So far, only a handful I'd say a small handful of counts have proven to be suspicious so as far as the justice for George Floyd Steph. It's it's not hugely widespread. But fake facebook accounts in general are yeah. It's definitely a happens. It's fairly widespread. You could probably find that this guy that talked to us on twitter that we found us from her last Zach Ellwood he, he's found just hundreds of these fake accounts on all sorts of topics and you know running the gamut from Mike Macedonians trying to influence our elections to. The Krona virus stuff. Yeah, including. There was this whole thing where these. White supremacists were organizing saying they were Antifa when they were actually bite supremacists trying to infiltrate the protests, so it's it's definitely happening. Yeah, and and you know facebook. You're supposed to be who you are, so it kind of gives us like level of authenticity you know at least like in the group we were in the people were choosing images of. Black people or black activists things like that that would make it if you just quickly glance at their name and their profile, you think that there a real person and And, so it's you're kind of I. Think we've all learned that you can't really trust anything on the Internet, but people are still pretty trusting, and when you're in a private facebook group, you think the other members have been vetted. You have to answer questions generally to get into the group you know. When I when we joined this group. They ask you. Do you want Justice for George? Floyd? Yes, no, or who dat. That and so you had to answer those who knows if they even if they just let anybody enter what they do, but there is this veneer of haywar vetting in this group and in terms of other groups, there is also the ability to make secret groups on facebook. You know we. We counted over a hundred of these public and private groups that just have the name Justice for George Floyd. And it's it would take more than us to join all of those and like a lot of time to join all of those you have to wait for approval to get in and all of that stuff, and then have to kind of it's kind of a very long methodical process to identify if these are real or fake so you know it's it's kind of hard to know. Right at this point. How widespread this is, but you know this particular one was very agreed S. it was obvious very quickly that this was not what it says it is. Well thank you to both of you for foreign covering this. Story Worth Reading I've been questions for me or reporters strep as line at the daily chart twitter, and you can check up Sharon. Dares story on Sina Dot Com for the daily charged on Roger. Chan thanks for listening. What's up chaffee anti-tory here pop culture dot com. We firing on firing on firing this week. 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Exploring White Supremacist Online Communities with Talia Lavin

Worst Year Ever

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Exploring White Supremacist Online Communities with Talia Lavin

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Alot welcome back to worst year ever. Really just. Well in my in my. Limited experience. I'll admit that it is the worst year ever. I'm Katie by the way. Hi, I'm Carey is my name Yup. It's different fires slightly. Robert. And Yeah Hello. Hi. Hi. A Year of doing this and you think we'd be quicker with this part. No I think that was my best introduction yet. Yeah let's just run in print that motherfucker we're only getting better. Do we print things on? audio. Print that. Okay. Well, printed anyway way please. Right. Who Are we? What are we doing today? Today? We are very very excited to welcome rider twitter inspiration Tali end tweeden's burt zip. Sorry tweets fair with tw- inspiration. No. That's when you're inspired by twins the ten spiratou. Hates Talia twit just general twit me Talia Leiva an author. Can allow you to be on and insulting their guest. A newly published author. Tell you leave it? Yeah. Well, I've never. Of You know I'm not jaded this is my first time and Yeah I hope it's as good for you as it is for me so far today I mean you're making a joke there but I can confirm that like as a writer that wouldn't that book hits it is it is a little bit. You know it's it's it's it's it's the intellectual equivalent of an orgasm, get your out getting it out there. It's a real long billed. Two hundred eighty eight pages baby put a lot of my life soul insanity into making this book and what your book about. So. It's called warlords, my anger knee and dark web of white supremacy I didn't make that subtitle, but like it is fairly accurate, it's kind of about the metastasis of. The White Power Movement online and what that looks like and the different spaces. that. These schools gather and what they talk about when they think no one's listening very, very, very appropriate for our show and for this moment of time, we're all currently living through. Pressingly timely I really wish like it was being released. Lake it was like acquaint topic like I'd written about like beehives or soup or something. Like Oh, what supremacists that's not an issue, but it is it is. Yeah. I do. The good thing about our audiences we've been yelling about this for a while. So I think folks are prepared on the basic stuff. I'm kind of interested if you wouldn't mind starting off with kind of walking through your own personal. Story. Here you're kind of journey into this stuff because you've got, you've got an interesting one and in fact, our other guests of the podcast clip and Stein, has been putting out some very interesting articles about what happened with you. I mean. I, know, right it's like cross pollination Talia X. Ken. Join no so. What happened was twenty thousand eighteen I was a fact Checker at the New Yorker and. Ice. Put out this tweet ice immigrations and customs enforcement out a picture of one of their agents for like an ad. You know they're always kind of portraying how they're like busting cyber crimes against children and that's definitely primarily what they do. Which is kind of not I mean I think they do do that to a degree, but it's not what they're known for and I noticed I was not the first to notice by a long margin. There were a lot of people talking about. The fact that he had a tattoo on his elbow that looked a bit like an iron cross, which is like you know it's a a symbol associated with Germany. It's not always the Nazi symbol. It is often not simple year until actually like the German Medal of honor and then Hitler one one in it it really got got kind of tainted by the fact that all the Nazis started putting it on stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So This was floating around the twitter sphere and people were talking about it pretty emphatically like this is the Costanzo Blah Blah Blah. Look at this Nazi and I was like a much more cautious and kind of put up a photo of the guy that I put up like a tweet that had like three photos like. The Ad, zeroing in on the guy's elbow and then like a photo of an iron cross with an explanation of what that is and then a couple of people responded like Oh maybe it's a Maltese cross. We don't really know and so I deleted my tweet and Posted kind of a correction. Fifteen minutes later, literally fifteen like this might be a Maltese cross deleted my tweet. So as not to spread misinformation I was very self-congratulatory about him. So I'm not going to spread just info for likes and then Unlike, also, just it was really going around the whole. Internet leftist twitter in two thousand eighteen or whatever, and then the following day like completely to my shock ice. Put out a press release to like. It's but Jillian followers blaming me directly for starting this rumor thing that I'd put their agent at risk. and. You know like specifically calling me out and the New Yorker by name. which was crazy and like. Totally like like I, tweet that it existed for fifteen minutes and didn't even have any words in it or like any definitive statements just like. This resemble an iron cross maybe and so that's how I got and then. Like the full force of the entire. Right wing media like descended on me. It was crazy as the roof. Just peeled off my life and like I watched the story, go through the National Review to the daily stormer in. A couple of days like so it was. Started, with relatively decorous questions to my employer who? Distanced themselves for me. Also fact a store ROIC. Yeah they were like Oh you know we're not responsible. And you know derogatory statement Blah Blah, Blah and. I. Like was also fact checking a story about my low Annapolis at the time so needless to say like very gleefully jumped on this and was like she's a Godforsaken Rach like leaked my phone number to his fans then it winds up in the daily stormer where you know it's like the you know the. Lovely. Nazi writer, The New Yorker of racism yeah. Blake few like the same amount of clouds, but they're mostly about Nazi terms No. Yeah. So But. But you know it was like she's the reason why there should be a real holocaust like this collection. So ingredients. Yeah. Night Mare. Yeah. It was fucking terrible. I really had a rough week a lot of like suicidal. Asian and so far I'm in just like bad bad bad vibes all around and I. was like a very company woman at the time really believed in the New Yorker and didn't want my colleagues to catch flack until he resigned on and it was like really bad and then I had already written about the far right once I'd written about how hard it was for the daily stormer to find a web host after unite the rate in Charlottesville. And compare them to the wandering Jews which they really hated. And they did yeah and so then after that I, worked at media matters extremism researcher. So I really spent a lot of time delving deeper and deeper into the crucible of the far-right and have been writing about it ever since. So that's the. A Harrowing Journey. It's Like the the abyss was gazing at me. So intensely that I was like fuck it, I'm GonNa look at you guys to harder. Nietzsche said, sometimes when the abyss stares at you like it be like, what's up with you? What are you doing? Yeah, like. This. I'm GONNA dive in and figure out what the fuck y'all about because. I'm already being called. You know the word every single day. Like you know having like photos of my feet posted to Nazi chats before him like even doing anything while except writing a few articles than I might as well. Go about the damn thing. So you and that's what you did I. Correct me if I'm wrong in your book, is about you going into the different chat? The different online arenas where these people fester. Adopting different personas and infiltrating in kind of getting information. Yeah, I mean it's because I had the sort of reputation among these people already you know because and then you know I kind of double d stubborn person I doubled down and I was writing about the far right and. Kind of just being like Nazis. Bad. That was my general. Public thesis. I because I'm a woman because I'm Jewish like their identity and elements of this too. I couldn't sort of go through the front door and I had to do a little more. Like a Combo of sort of who sent open source intelligence stuff and then. The gonzo kind of undercover stuff. So the book is really a mix of like history. I talk a lot about Roberts favorite. George Lincoln Rockwell talk about? You Know Henry Ford, and the history of anti-semitism in America, and all that stuff but the sort of juicy parts or whatever are like the. Various iterations of like undercover ops that I did. So that included posing as like an Aryan Babe on. An all white dating site, White Date Dot net, and just like getting them to write love letters to their ideal weight wife and then publishing them in a book. I spent like five months seducing this like Ukrainian Neo Nazi who runs who ran I should say likes to cast terror channel dedicated to worshiping. Brenton tarrant the Christchurch mosque shooter and then like. Past his everything. He'd give me which was his name license played a job and like basic area where he lived to belling cat who published it. So that was pretty satisfying pretend to be an. got into planning chats for like a pagans versus Christians. White Sea premises M A fight Just like fun adventures like that definitely give the book a little color. I like basically really went. Like to and beyond the edge of myself for that I'm I want I want to talk about. All sorts of stuff that things that you cover in this book and the different topics and themes But as you're sitting here describing this, I'm I'm curious if you're open to talking about this emotional of that must have had for you personally. To be going through this cause it as you describe this to me, it sounds really painful. And like. Well Yeah I, mean one of the episodes describe in the book is like the opening of chapter one except like wanted to kind of it home was like. So I there's this Organization of Neo Nazis called the bold cast that's like particularly. Grim and like stick casting terror e, they're named after Dylan roofs haircut. His bowl haircut and I was like eavesdropping on a chat affiliated with them and I like open the chat like four in the mornings. I. Totally lost the ability to sleep for most of twenty nineteen and they're discussing would anyone rape tally eleven? Oh my God and the most of the consensus was they were. Ugly to rape. But one of them said they would rate me with a gun. On and everyone agreed that was the best course of action. So yeah, they were definitely some really fucked up moments over the course of reporting on this book. where, like you become both subject and object of hate. I would say that being a Jew. Having a really like the Holocaust really close to my family like my maternal grandparents, entire families died in it. I actually lost an aunt in the Holocaust like you know my grandparents had the baby and she died while they were on the run in the woods and so your mom lost a sister to like you know I it was really close and then me being like the object of so much of their R-. Really, I think the advantage it lent me was that I never lost a sense of moral clarity of what was at stake. Know I. Never let it become a collection of shiny objects a low like there's so much that is absurd and fascinating in this world that sometimes you can lose your way into like just cataloguing it like it's. Sort of a collection of. Sundry oddities but for me because I was the locus of so much hate and come from a community that. Really become that really is The locus of so much higher. I. It helped me retain moral clarity it also. Definitely chipped away at my sanity in different ways, it was a painful experience and it really was like living at the edge of tolerability and and beyond it. I. Can't imagine. Yeah. I haven't finished your book yet but what I have read so far is incredibly engaging. Your writing is incredibly eloquent and accessible for people who this world might be new to them. I am more well-versed in this whole world than I think the average person but not as much as say Robert, cody or yourself and I found it incredibly engaging and. Yeah that was just my compliment insert here because I want to know. Really comes through like all your you know all. That emotional journey that you that you're talking about and I was really struck also just I a growing up here and feeling and hearing all these stories and your you know your identity and your whole family how you came here. And The Holocaust recently in your past but feeling like that is separate from from being here in America like anti-semitism isn't necessarily here and then. Being. Online. Discovering that. It's very much. Very, real here, and it's tied into all other stuff. Yeah. I mean, and that's where like the Jewish sort of assimilation into whiteness plays in we're like you know the people who consider US non white earlier white supremacists and and Christians are being line Christians are very weird about Jews to. A lot of like weird. Messianic Groups where they're like, they'll call themselves rabbis but they'll be they'll be all about Jesus like I keep going to protest where people who are not Jewish have show. Fars which is like like a horn that has a specific ritual rams weren't we blow it at you. And Yeah and like Christian. As a whole. Millenarian ideology that like. Really to a frightening extent in influences American foreign policy. So it's not like totally just like the imprimature of premises to be super weird about drew's but like. It. Are Weird veggies in a particularly violent way. But like courses an expression of privilege that it took until adulthood and an Internet connection to really feel the brunt of that sort of prejudice. But I do feel that that having that element of my identity constantly sort of under fire like helped me retain a sense of moral clarity as A. Birth the book that that that there are wages of an and there is air victims in in every a to allowing far-right organizing to flourish. That's it's not. It's not a victimless crime sound a perpetrator list crime it's it's. Like, they're humans on both ends, humans who suffer and humans who choose to inflict suffering and I. think that's like one of the bigger messages of the book is that. White supremacists are in, you know sort of. Monsters that are inhuman and you know unique or uniquely poor or uniquely ignorant or uniquely beset by by any set of disenfranchising circumstances that render it. Understandable they're just people. From every socio economic bracket and level of educational attainment and every geographic region. And making the choice to live in a world where they want hate to win. Yeah. Yeah you. That stood out to me as well that where you're saying they're they're they're they're sitting next to you and class. There in your office in your cubicle. And Nice you're nice. Hoa Neighborhood is not back. It's now. And also that like. You Know I. Think some of the most egregious journalism about white nationalists in this era like that infamous time profile of Tony Hove eter and like the whole dapper for the Nazi next door. Yeah and only Nazi dresses well. And I'm like it's not shocking not shocking to you that a Nazi can like make pasta without lake. Like you know that lake? Garden. They're not like you know like shitting themselves, Ling, and you know own a house like, yeah. These are human people with human choices and human lives who make the human every single day to inflict pain and and cause fear among their targets and so I thought it was important not to downplay that element and to me they're humanity does is not an. It doesn't absolve them. At all if anything it it, it renders them more damned because they have made the human choice. Yeah. Engage in creating a worse world yeah. I'm just dropping the heavy shit. I, know I know it's great. I mean it's also just important. We have this like less so now but I'd say it's been chipped away over the last four years but a lot of people still don't realize the things that you're saying. that. It's everywhere that it's here that just because the Holocaust happened and we all decided this was bad that you know collectively on the surface that there aren't people that harbor these same disgusting ideologies living amongst us and planning and doing things and perpetuating hate every day all around us and we need to be able to see that you need to be able to to see that happening. Yeah, and there's this really classes deception that like it must be poverty must be. Some unique like socio economic deprivation that it's toothless masturbating cletus you can barely string two sentences together and I'm not saying like every white supremacist is you know a macarthur fellow in disguise. One of them who's killed, the most people was capable of constructing a six thousand pound bomb in a writer truck in destroying a federal building with it like because he was smart and capable and knew what he was doing and was like able to plan something very complicated like it's that the the that's one of the big issues I think that folks have in confronting. This is the assumption that like. The most these people are capable of is like can have random acts of violence and they're not a real threat. I think when people think about like what a white supremacists neo Nazis go would be they assume like well, they're trying to. Bring back the Nazi party or whatever, and that's clearly not going to happen in the United States. But like they're, they're the goals of a lot of these people are a lot are much more. Kind of insidious than that like acceleration ISM which I know you WanNa talk about is the thing that concerns me the most right now and it's not trying to you know red pill normies into being Nazis as much as it is trying to push society in directions that guarantee the kind of violence that will give them more power and give them more of the things that they want like it's it's and it's working right like one of the things that we're seeing right now this year and a lot of the work I'm doing is the people who are planning threatening terrorist attacks, the people who were getting arrested for trying to kidnap and kill governors. A lot more of them very few of them are people who traditionally we would consider extremists. They're they're trump supporters and police supporters. But in a lot of ways, the fact that these people are being radicalized in are are making these kind of plans is is a result of kind of the way in which some of these more extreme white nationalist groups have prepared the ground in not in a series of terrorist attacks in their manipulation of the media like they've. They've put our society in this position where radicalism doesn't look the way it used to look. Yeah, and you know a lot of that has to do with the fact that trumpism is a white nationalist movement. You know there's a sort of inherent desire for ethnic cleansing. That's been there for from the start. But yeah, I agree I mean I have a book in Chapter in the book about acceleration, Azam called getting to the boom. Acceleration ISM is this idea that that. that. You want to hasten social collapse and in the case of the far right that means basically. In the out of the ashes of society away Utopia will rise like a phoenix will be able to engage in the kind of ethnic cleansing that we fantasize about. The United States will at last be free of the Jew. Stuff that's been around since the Turner Diaries, you know this fantasy of the day of the rope. Brace trader and Ju- will be hung from trees. There echoes of it and Cunanan and like this whole day when everyone will be executed for treason like. A very resin idea and it's certainly resonant on the Maga riot and the extremist rate and the lines between them are blurry your everyday. So I think that when I look at the next six weeks. Leading up to the election day of the election in the aftermath of you know God forbid like a hotly contested election or an unclear election. What I see as a big danger is accelerating assed violence like this idea of we're already in a moment of civic chaos and now's the time to strike hard and so. To your point Robert like I, think there's been a lot of skepticism and Even skepticism on the left about like are these guys really a potent force? Does it really matter and I would say first of all like how many mass casualty events? Like premised on racism are okay with you like for me, the answer is none. And we've had a number over the past few years and. You know it doesn't take that many people to be tipped over by years of stick casting terror into engaging a mass casualty events to create an environment of profound harm chaos, loss fear and destruction. So. That's what we're potentially facing and I. Think while I understand the impulse towards cynicism and like you know many of these people cloaked danger and absurdities. They want you to laugh and like to laugh at them or see them as Boogeyman in the way that the Klan like. Initially dressed in their white robes. To be like, oh dressing up as ghosts to frighten you know black people don't take it seriously, and then they were out committing murder like you know I think there's A we have to take it seriously unlike it's not a joke. Yeah I would say that maybe I'm not somebody that didn't believe that this stuff would happen but I've definitely realized. More and more especially especially, this year the last. But the last four years just how the unbelievable thing that you think can't happen and that people won't do can happen then they will do. More, and more. Yes, it's not great Bob. Grant none of your named Bob but it just well, Robert, Robert Pretty close to that close. I mean. If you don't if you don't want me to be angry at you. Yes. No. Is it Bob Evans like a chain of something it is it is and this is the last that we should say about that. Now. never meet your heroes because you will offend them horribly. The by ads restaurant is is a has been a constant constant assault on the pride of my people. Other people named Robert Evans. Included me and the Guy Who Produced Godfather There are no others. Yes. So so acceleration of them, it's bad. It's scary. That's my. That's in a nutshell that's in a nutshell. It's bad. It's scary and it's coming to a town next door. Hey Everybody Robert Evans here and I'm GonNa Guess that if you've been paying attention to the news, you're trying to prep yourself for the next curve ball. This year has coming, which is why I'm here to talk to you about home security We'll probably all thinking a little bit more about home security days, but there's a problem with home security companies most trap you with high prices, tricky contracts, bad customer support, which is why I'm here to talk to you today about simplisafe simplisafe has everything you need to protect your home with none of. 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Interesting to me is the degree to which acceleration ISM has synergies with something with a number of things that have been part of American culture for quite a long time like I. Am I'm a big. Advocate of I press this every time people ask me about like the Boo blue folks that enter. There's some people who will like claim that it started with like you know the the race war sort of like memes and stuff among white supremacists and some of that played into it. But I, think if you're going to trace it to a direct origin point, it's Zombie apocalypse stuff. And it's had all this other like syncretism is a big aspect of fascism and it's had all this other stuff grafted it but it started with this idea of preparing for a collapse that turned from like a joke into less of a joke in because it was becoming less of a joke people needed to find like something more that felt more realistic so that they didn't feel silly that they were spending thousands of dollars in all these guns to fight quote unquote zombies and I I really like I see a lot of. The what we're what we're dealing with now started in places like and it's not just the Zombie apocalypse. There's always been this long running American like theme in American Popular Culture this obsession with the idea of collapse and with social degeneration and the violence that will come with Corey doctor Oh just wrote a very good article about bigly this topic for think it was slate. In kind of the the complicity American fiction writers, sort of having some of this. So we've. You. Know what the I think. The Nazis recognized that I think people like Louis, beam recognized that a while ago that like there were actually a lot of cultural aspects of the United States that made us particularly vulnerable to this kind of acceleration ism like it's it's this idea that if you keep pumping chaos and violence into a culture that is already fairly dominated by chaos and. Violence, it will push people to become increasingly radical in you know as a Nazi, even if it doesn't push people to be Nazis because like the Boo blue folks by and large or not Nazis, they still further those in goals, which is like enough social degeneration decay and violence that order breaks down and that these heavily armed fascists are able to impose like the order they want. And I don't know there is like a Ra- Halla strain in the BOOB movement. Sure. Sure. There's there's a far-right strain. There's Nazis who try to recruit in it and stuff, but that's not where it started. They're opportunists. Like it, the the Bugaku stuff like I've I've traced back a lot of the earliest commentary on that. And they were never very far from the Nazis, but it's also like. It clearly started as an aesthetic more than anything else survivalists fetishism. That played into it. There's all this a bunch of stuff played it. It was like the dystopia coming collapses coming Every movie is a disaster movie. The is. The world is over, and now here we are and I think we have slowly. Not just like. Assumed that that was going to happen but like wanted it to happen like there's an embracing of that that that just topi in the world. Well, it's like once you've once you've lake gotten enough equipment but you feel prepared like surely there is an element that the that. That desires? Yes. So I. Wanted to To one of the things I say in the book. Actually on that subject of very early. Earlier iteration of this idea that like civilizational collapse will inevitably lead to like. The fulfillment of Nazi fantasy like there's a chapter in white power by George Lincoln Rockwell called nightmare. where he envisions, it's really ludicrous like. Very lurid fantasy where he envisions like the Black Socialists are taking over. America, and like they've taken over the armed services and Like you or the protagonist, it's this very leg vividly written second person narrative and like you know like all these black men are like taking over and killing people and raping people and your sort of the noble American, Hero. And he watched your neighbor who's the white liberal you know shoot a black man to death unrepentantly. It's this idea that lake given sufficient chaos and collapse and like. This fictitious imminent black socialist takeover. Every liberal will become. As deeply. Racist as George Lincoln Rockwell so that's an early iteration of the idea that social collapse will be the key to white utopia. And I think you see some of that too in the sort of. Degree of populism apocalypse apocalyptic nature of the rhetoric around this election. Dislike really talking about people talking about Joe Biden is like. Bringing in like A. Shabas ask Click Yeah. He's always promised to do famed socialist. Joe, so that's that's what the are is for. You can see the speeches in Congress decades. Communists it's not even just like the usual shit like they'll take your guns or whatever. I mean that's always a. Hot Yeah Yeah they'll always hot center doing it today talking point, but it's like become. So pock elliptic he's attract Trojan horse for taking all your rights away and so it's like that's one of the things that keyes up rhetoric to this pitch. It's like that you know were teetering on the edge of an abyss and like. The outcome of the selection will determine like your ability to not let her be imprisoned in a camp for like. Saying a racial slur or whatever like it so. Like the tenor of of political conversation as pitched at such an apocalyptic key. That I think you have the militia groups preparing you have. The Neo, Nazis preparing like there's just a lot of preparing going on like that much preparing with that many. Guns. just I feel like it just doesn't lead anywhere. Good. Definitely makes me nervous. The the real, the the real collapse that could potentially happen is climate change related So like these, all these groups are going to be around with all of this stuff and all these guns ready to. Do, these kinds of things just as the planet slowly Deteriorates. Yeah like. We're trapped on this lake swiftly warming planet with like. The chaos monsters it's not amazing. Not Amazing. That's my general take I mean not not a fan not a fan of the way things are going feels like the worst year ever accept that I part of me like the real pessimist in me is like. We're GONNA. Look back on twenty twenty and be like, oh Yeah fine the about that because at least every year of the last four years were like Oh. Thank God. Over and it doesn't get better you know lake. One of I saw this video molly crab apples a wonderful artist on socialist artists and like. Did something amazing was like a collaboration project with one of the founders of black lives, matter of of imagining a better future used paintings and like it talked about like you know how this moment of plague and deprivation. And climate devastation like led to the great sort of cooperative, Utopian future and it was really meticulously imagined and. I, thought that was such an important thing because it's so easy to work yourself into. A state where you can imagine things ever getting better and that kind of utopia like that kind of ability to imagine a better future I think is is a sanity. Saving thing where it's like you know. there. There can be hope that that there can be changed that it can be for the better might be hard to envision right now. But perhaps, there will be a year when we look back on twenty twenty and and say that sucked in of so glad things are much better now that'd be great. That's my come around the changing their minds Did you see in your travels I? Guess it's not the right word. Indications of people who are like. Getting into those. Groups and subcultures who aren't like fully there yet or like are questioning what's going on there and are like you saw as being able to. More easily be pulled back from from that abyss. Yes. Interestingly. The most successful tales of like de Radicalization I've seen or like. After people have been Docs does Nazis. Like their lives have fallen apart and they're like, this wasn't worth it. Oh there's no solidarity here. No one gives a shit about me. No one's going to come save me. No one's GonNa help me there's no bail fund for Nazis. Yeah. They don't give a shit about each other like. so Like. Unfortunately, I mean I didn't meet a lot of edge cases because the places that I were hanging hanging out. Online we're sort of already radicalized, and then I, did the one the major trips I took were Charlottesville for the anniversary of unite the right. Like with local antifascist, but then I did go to conference. Hosted by Andy No our favorite great and Tim Pool called Mines Irl, which was basically for like fans. Sargon of a cadre was there. It was like for fans of Fascist youtubers. And like they build it as like, oh, it's like so pluralist because they were going to have a couple of like leftist speakers Or like quote unquote leftist speakers willing to speak at an Andy. GNO Tim pull conference. But I did talk to a lot of people there and it was just like. So. Funny. Like one of the funnier interactions I had they kept asking like, oh so this really bills itself as like ideologically diverse and like have you met any progressives and no-one said. Everyone. Said Oh one guy was like, well, I met an ethno-nationalist and I am a civic nationalist. So I really saw difference of opinion neighbor opinions cool. Okay. But like those were I mean those were people that like traveled across the country to go see ending Yo her said so. What do you think the reachable demographic I met him I talked to him. It was funny. He was like, no, you can't photograph me. Your whole thing like shopping phones and people's faces with other. But I like couvert filmed. It was like for you. Do you provide killer Statham often. I'm sure. No comment. No comment. You're not even British or not I know and then I met Tim, pool I asked him if he ever washed his beanie. He said, he has like twenty. Does. That he has many many has like piles of them. Yeah. Yeah That was a funny experience was like it both done like videos or commentary, but evil I was and that I like met met them in person and they. Were very polite is they lied to my face and then like ending Yo posted that I was shaped like a pigeon. Fuck Him he's a real classy act well I. I do have a big house. So in that sense I suppose I'm shaped like A. Pigeon. Which is the first thing I? Are there if you get like his old read it history and stuff just a profoundly unpleasant person who? Is deeply insecure about his own body and mainly attacks people who he thinks fit the idealized version of a human in his head, even less than he does. because. He's really really hates fat because he is to be fat. And so as a woman of larger NECE. you become a Raipur target i. mean that's always like. Whoa what's interesting about being like subject and object rate in this context is like looking at their stuff, they are obsessed with fat women like they. Fat Women are just way up there in the list of targets. And they're obsessed with the bodies of women like I had. I liked have posted like one bikini photo in my life. Like ages ago on Brighton, beach and someone used it to impersonate me on four Chan on two different occasions that I had like. Posted this photo while like. Badly posing as a as me being a journalist on four Chan and and. And the daily storm ran with it was like a like fat. Quake whale tall even posts accidentally posted keeney picture unfortunately. Didn't. I. It just it's just funny like how your own body becomes the site of like, yeah. This kind of attack and then. Not because part of the story Utah Yeah L., which is all part of misogyny which is another aspect of your book and what you'd said you might want to chat about today. All of them right. Bring him the on topics. Kate he was like, what do you? WanNa talk about and I'm like I dunno acceleration as Misogyny. And then and she was like I feel weird harding this and I'm like. They. Don't give you the option for just a like like on facebook and one of the I mean, it's like I think one of the things that being a woman covering the far right lake. Gives me access to is just like the degree to which Misogyny as an animating force it's both a means of entree and radicalization like it's. For a lot of these people who I call the ideological launderers like the temples of this world and like the Stefan Raleigh News and and the Ben. Shapiro's like a lot of their opening bids are misogyny like ghostbusters ruin your childhood. There's too many ladies in marvel movies and like you can watch that stuff in an Olympic living room or in public and not feel like horribly ashamed. You know most people don't start out brandishing swastika is most are very special. About like. You know what these videos that almost serve as like a moment of. Hate speech for like. Feminists and and women do as like. Ince. You in a hate that's like relatively socially acceptable. And teach you that like one method of. Like one sort of. Towards social progress to feminism is like actually working against your interests and is like nefarious -ly undermining your place in the world, and then once you have someone inculcated in those two principles like here's a group that's okay to hate. And here's a means of social progress a sort of accepted ethos in the mainstream that's actually working to undermine your place in the world. Then you have someone in the palm of your hand already. That okay. What about the Jews? What about racial equality? I mean. It's all very connected. It's interconnected algorithm and clearly, and these people know each other guests on each other's videos. Yeah. You find a place where you're form of hate it's safe and accepted, and then you're exposed to all these other ones that you know. Like level to yeah no, and then it's like it's it's sort of an order Boris in a way like where misogyny forms appointive on trae for. People into the white supremacist movement but also the white supremacy movement itself is deeply misogynistic. Now, only in like the targets chooses to attack who are disproportionately women. And women receive. Sexually violent and truly atrocious harassment. Now that's a larger volume crueler than than men. I've had men who cover the far right. Tell me I started to feel like I have like a Batman versus the joker relationship with these white supremacist and I'm like. Oh. They just I'm not even I don't get. Poison Ivy. Just literally the plant poison ivy like. Arash. I don't get to be like the worthy opponent because I'm a woman right and And that's fine. I'm fine. I'm not looking for like women fast destiny or like white feminism in this I demand to be equal in the eyes of white supremacist but like. The, the other aspect of it is that in the idealized world that white supremacists envision women are submissive. Women are basically like the breeding sacks of the white future I mean it's right there in the fourteen words like the white children. Who breeds the white children like women are wombs, and like of course, that has a broader valence and like. A Christian Dominion Est Culture and like you know fervently antiabortion for pro four forced birth conservative movement, but it is particularly vivid in. In a fourteen words, sort of culture. That's a white supremacist slogan. That's. It's like we must preserve the future for. Ourselves and our white children I think that's the gist of it Yeah. It's like so so fourteen is like a big white supremacist. Libertine eighty eight eighty eight stands for Hell Hitler. Eight H is the eighth letter of the alphabet fourteen. Dorky. Yeah numerology rate but it but you know the guy who code the WHO WHO Came with the fourteen words this David. Lane. Who is a member of the neo. Nazi. Terrorist cell the order like shot a Judah death like a Jewish radio host to death. But also like. robbed a ton of armored cars and like raised millions of dollars for white supremacist, we which they used. To Fund Louis Beam starting a liberty net, which was a an early Internet. In the mid nineteen eighties just for Nazis and was really the genesis point for everything. You know we've been talking about today that's where the Nazi Internet effort started. Its liberty estimating everybody loves liberty. Everybody loves liberty. Yeah I know the clan? Earliest adopters of the Internet. And so it's like when I don't know I just like had all the interviews are blurring together although this one will be memorable because you guys are amazing. But like people have been like Oh, like how can like tech companies combat this like what's their role and I'm like the clan was on the fucking Internet and nine nineteen, eighty, two like the clan has been around on the Internet way longer than this group has like it's not like this problem of Lake organized hate using the Internet was impossible to anticipate. It would just have taken three seconds of thinking and unfortunately the grew tech companies that relate very happy to. To admit that none of us are worth three seconds of thought to them. The like our lives are not worth that our data's though. Yeah. We're cuddle for data and like you'd think they'd want at least our grain to be like like a little less poisoned but no. No. So thinking of poisons. Sorry. My brain automatically pivots to add plugs in times like this. Yeah, I apologize. Speaking of poisoned grain. Want sell you poisoned green. Oh No. Actually we're entirely supported by the poisoned. Great. Made that call a while ago. There's less money in it than you might think actually. Yeah. Waiting on not a lot of takers unfortunately, we aren't making money on this show. No, it's actually been a disaster. But one of these days one of these. I was going to finish the joke by making like a like a Salem witch trials joke about all of that air gap that was the name of the poisoning. Anyway. Eric wasn't didn't wind up being joke, but you can see where I was going to go there air got milk. Yeah Oh damn it that's a good ad. And then people start hallucinating and accusing each other of being witches. Love. This idea unlike sounds so much healthier than Cuban. On. Yeah I. Mean Honestly like If, there was a mass outbreak of poisoning in the US into twenty. How would you tell? Things Ready. So fucking nuts like. Nicer now. I bet that's really firm something a little softer than that rest. 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I am suspicious of joggers because they seem to healthy to me but I didn't see any I, didn't see any I didn't see any tunnel children mole kids on it is it is a it's a wild time and I think the pandemic is certainly accelerated. Cunanan. Accelerated Lot of these fringe idea ideologies because even the most grounded sane people I know are just like feeling confused and feeling scared and like the information coming at us is a lot of it is dubious and like. Life is quite substantially disrupted for a lot of people and like so it does make sense to me that people are finding comfort in the arms of conspiracy, which is always full of of certainty like my my feeling is like anyone selling you too great. A degree of certainty is suspect Oh. Yeah. I mean plus we. People just have so much more time in general sitting in their anxiety and our mental health. `isolation is GONNA breathe. Is Elated. That's how you get to call. By isolating them. From their. World and their. Support Systems. As a musician I admire said in a song be suspicious of simple answers that shit's for fascists and fucking teenagers. Yeah man and I that's why I always speak in paragraphs to make. Sure. No I think. I had a jump on this by already being like an agoraphobia with panic disorder. So Lake you dating isolation. To have going into twenty twenty you really. Yes. I will say that like the The major difference book made in my lifestyle like doing this level of sort of vitriol immersion was that I started collecting swords like I just like. Yeah. I wanted to bring that up. Like you and Robert, Coban. ISO rich person's Michetti. Fancy Machete. Honestly. Museum Replicas Dot Com they have some deals like. It's not like you know if I. Like every time I got like a payment on a book installment and it's GonNa make book advance I would like buy a sword So I have like two broad swords, a saver and. A dagger and Sword Cane. So a sword cane your set. Yes that's. What is this Orange Kane Yeah. I'll show it to you. Hang on. So, if I it just looks like I'm ready to go play back Herat with large. Winn. STANLEY GRUMBLE PIPE Lords Win Stanley grumble pipe doing these days by the though Johnny. Quite charming and his hounds of a very well behaved. But then shoot someone approach me and Lord when Stanley grumble pipe with with nefarious motive. Oh. That's got just pulled out pretty. Pretty pointy asked to Leto. That is very effective in an audio medium, but just imagine the to see it though. lizards love props they. Love. Gallagher podcast but no imagine that I just pulled us to Leto out of a rather lovely bone handled. Kane and in all of our. Doing like a fun grin when she I want carrots off too have a podcast so bad and just do all of this proximity on the phone. And described his prop comedy not actually do it just if I were in front of you right now I would be pulling out a rubber chicken and. Make this at this and I take these two things and put them together. The only thing I'd listen to I would shut down all of our podcasts so that there would be more listening time for carat hot and WHO's grinded. Sophie this is more important than us more on top. Striping what he would to on stage. I have a podcast to Actually it was funny. I was very nervous ahead of the book launch last night and. A friend. was telling your friend I was nervous and she's like. Well, you can always say I'm an author not a podcast like. Punch. Back your podcast the podcast is called. It's called Moby Dick Energy and it's chapter by chapter breakdown of the Book Moby Dick. So. Every week I get to spend a like a you know an hour to talking about Herman Melville and just completely ignoring like being like I'm an eighteen, fifty one maybe on the. Like self care to me. Is it is like a weirdly important element of myself cares just like spending one like you know while a week like talking to someone smart and like doing a deep dive into just like how fucking Weird Herman? Melville. I did the one overlap was this chapter the Whiteness of the whale, which basically argues that whiteness is really sinister and full of malevolent intent and I'm like I couldn't agree more is this very on brand for you right now Before I dropped out of college to pursue a career of damaging my brain with drugs, I had a creative writing teacher who insisted that the book Moby Dick had the answers to all of life's questions in it and I go back and forth every year as to whether or not he was a crank or absolutely right? The right be risen cranky was absolutely right yeah. Both can be true. Like. wonderfully weird book and I. I would recommend that you should read my book culture warlords up and then read moby Dick because since almost no one has read it yet because it just came out today I can be like it's actually the air in. Western literature to Herman Melville. On a carrot. Ernest Hemingway. This is truly the the new wave of literature who are wild west side no we you send me a link so I can put it in our episode description. Oh, to the to. Oh Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Like I said up top incredibly well written I'm really excited to. Link episode option guys. Yeah. But can you tell people where they can find it? Is it. So the good news is everywhere. Today it's on Amazon. It's on on if you want to support your local bookstore bookshop dot org. Where you can order through your local bookstore or just call up your local bookstore if you don't have cash for A. Brand new book purchase You can call your local library and ask them to have it, and it's also an audible where if you liked my voice, you can hear it for eight hours. 'cause I narrated the audiobook. That's so cool. Yeah that took a long time and like involved me just like saying the. Like. Learning, how to pronounce a lot of German Objective recommend doing that it's more tedious than you'd expect reading your own book in. You're like this is hard. Well, it's like it's like putting it under like the most intense microscope possible in your oh God every fly and I can't change the word, but it's too late to change it. Yeah. But it's out everywhere books are sold and. You know really just like Ernest Hemingway found shaking in his grave. T. S Eliot was an anti Semite anyway so fuck him but you know. He is truly in a wasteland of Envy Matt how Amazing Book is so That's my pitch. You won't be disappointed. I'll be with it's the mode matic of racists. Yeah. The book is you know what I'm saying well, yeah, I mean I'm pursuing the white whale of white supremacy to stab it to death with my heart poon of truth with your Sword Cane Sword. We brought it back around. Tell. Our listeners where they can out online. Oh Yeah So I'm on him twitter that's like my main. Jazz. You. You're better after searching my name. Talia lieven. TA ally a L. A. V. I N. my handle is trick in Kiev. which is a pun on chicken Kiev. The dish and I made while I was living in Kiev for a year. And is really stupid but I can't change it otherwise I'll lose my blue check and then I'll die I like it's it's my blue trek is a whore crux of mine I can't say I know but yeah so chicken Kiev, you can find me on on twitter and Instagram as Talia inter-alia, which is like Talia among other things in Lenton because I'm a big frigging Dork. And and Moby Dick Energy comes out almost every week if you're into deep dives on deep dives into whaling. Thank you so much for having me guys so much for being here. Checkout tally, his book and Podcast, and as she just urge you to go out into the ocean and gunned down Awale. Yeah absolutely. Yeah I mean probably don't but. You can admire the whale and experience the majesty and terror of the C. 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Part Two: An American Fascist Faith

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Part Two: An American Fascist Faith

"And we're back at the ron burgundy podcasts season two baby pressure team what we'd do. I brush my teeth. Whenever when else does on holidays and sometimes i forget i'm not perfect smile of your breath. Being the smell of rare steak aged whiskey. Excuse no carolina that doesn't bother me. Listen to the ron burgundy podcast on apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever after you find your podcasts were talking about come cody's part two of my reading to my friends of the war on everyone. I have armed myself additionally with aac fistful of plastic silverware packets sophie. No i have to throw the cans. She's trying to take my hands pressure saying and i need all of these two throat. Now katy commented during the break that the oranges. I have are very soft. I am almost certainly bad ready to burst you. Could you could touch it. Lightly needed explode. I'm so excited to throw this at the wall so if you lose a withering look that's her excited look. That's her excited. Look well speaking of excitement. It's time for part two in chapter two because this is an audiobook which is different from a seven part podcast for reasons that i'm finally recording an audio book. Maybe this will start my audiobook career. I think so thank you for narrating the katie parts that i wrote ahead of he thought out loud good at it chapter to an american fascist faith at nine fifty a._m. On october twenty seventh two thousand eighteen robert bowers entered the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh pennsylvania. He carried a colt a._r. Fifteen three glock handguns chambered in three fifty seven sig body armor a substantial amount of ammunition bowers proceeded the open fire during a morning service he killed eleven of the seventy five people worshipping at the synagogue that morning and the hours and days that followed journalists and researchers in the countering violent extremism community began to dig into mr bowers social media presence and internet footprint. If you read or listen to any coverage about this it probably focused on his use of the social media website. I gab which is essentially twitter for nazis governed a lot of attention because it's where bowers chose to announce his attack and his belief that jewish conspiracy was responding gab sounds cotin gold magazine. It is yeah yeah it should be. It should be see gab earned most of the attention the media coverage in the wake of that attack gained inch for that attack mainly because it was seen as like the place that radicalized him <hes> and it was of course the place where he announced the start of his attack but in addition to announcing the the start of his attack on gab rubber bauer said other things on the site stranger things in various posts. He claimed that people of anglo european descent were the chosen people with jews as is their ancient enemy. He warned his fellow racists of a coming false flag attack that would be quote one of the final desperate attempts by jewish international oligarchy to maintain power in the face collapsing public trust in the media which he believed. They controlled on the profile page. Phrase account bowers included a quote. Jews are the children of satan a little more than in two weeks before his rampage. He re posted a link to the wikipedia page for christian identity. You ever heard of christian identity a meal. It's getting into today so he re posted a link to the wikipedia page for christina the enrolled if the jews hate it then it must be truth now if you haven't heard much gotcha about christian identity don't worry neither had i before bowers went on his rampage. <hes> a friend of mine actually a woman named sarah who's a c._b._c. Researcher is the person who like. I said that you should start looking into this shit and as soon as i did. I found that it connected to basically everything that's ever happened. In american fascism after world were to and kind of before it now christian identity theology is not widely known in modern american in fact the vast majority of people who've been influenced by it have probably never actually heard the term bowers a sort of a rare figure in that he was aware of it <hes> it's been around for so long and embedded itself so deeply in the consciousness of the far right that it's woven itself into the d._n._a. Of american fascism christian identity however did not begin in america the origin of this philosophy traces back to britain in seventeen ninety ninety one when a crazy person and retired navy man named richard brothers started having visions rather than writing these visions off as the result of bad canned sardines or got poisoned bread he decided these visions were telling him that he had to lead the jews back to palestine now <hes> he also decided that he was a descendant of the biblical king david for reasons whicher sure slightly less clear revelation followed revelation as they often do for people with this sort of <hes> thing going on in their brain and by the time richard brothers was done. He'd concluded noted that the majority of jewish people were actually hidden in britain this hidden israel as he called it became one of the central tenets of british is realism okay yeah. All of the jews are secretly british yeah. That's british is realism in a nutshell interesting now. Brothers was eventually declared insane by the state which is probably bleep fair. <hes> he was stuck in an institution which is probably unfair from seventeen ninety five to eighteen six but in the four years before he got locked up he earned himself some followers although low his flock didn't stick together until he got out of the asylum some of his ideas persisted for years amongst the fringes of british society in eighteen forty a writer named john john wilson wrote lectures on our israelite origin and began lecturing across england and ireland about the theory that the real jus. We're basically everyone but actual jewish people according to the book religion the right michael barr coon quote the lectures depended less on the interpretation of biblical prophecy on wilson's attempt to demonstrate empirically that the lost tribes cbs had in fact migrated from the near east europe like many writers after him. One of his favorite techniques was to look for words in different languages that sounded the same assuming usually erroneously that if the word it sounds were similar in the languages and their speakers had to begin this cunanan stuff yeah similar sounds often crop up and and otherwise unrelated languages they allowed wilson to claim and to believe that he had proved that quote many of our most common english words and names of familiar objects are almost pure hebrew har. It's one of those things when you when you read early arguments as to why the bible shouldn't be printed like back when they wouldn't give out copies of the bible. The people like only the priest will have a copy of the bible. The internet makes me have a little bit more respect for those young and so it's like oh yeah. Maybe just letting everyone read everything isn't that maybe maybe human beings naturally look for patterns <hes> and not all those patterns actually exist irrelevant. I took a sip of tea and started laughing hyphen now. I can have one of my candidate rise. I promise i won't throw it. They love professionalism. <hes> that's the best thing about podcasts is the professional wrestling just one specifically as the most professionals one specifically as the most professional and it's a mark of my professionalism gonna throw the sack of clements upset clementines every were ads and we're back at the ron. Burgundy podcasts do baby carolina. Here is a pathological goliath okay. So what does her brain like. I normally would disagree with this but i made a pact with ron earlier so let's go with wendy. Brush your teeth but but when everyone else does on holidays and sometimes i forget i'm not perfect this smell of your breath author you being the smell of rare steak and aged twisty no carolina that doesn't bother me. You're bleeding a little bit for the back of your shirt that means it was a good waxing. They got the entire hair follicle. I know so. How long has it been bleeding. It's been bleeding all night lar- shouldn't go cheap on waxing. I had to throw my sheets. Oh this is ron burgundy until next time don't use public restrooms. Listen to the ron burgundy podcast on apple podcasts or on the iheartradio iheartradio app or wherever you find your podcasts. We're back gosh back. There's oranges all over over the floor. Cody are any of them using no. That's unfortunate under the couch well. Let's not remove them. In the i hope they get forgotten and begin to rot danell finds them. That's the dream. It's a dream. That could be a reality. That's leave it for a month and then you come back and they'll be a bunch of flying like what happened at our office last night. I don't know if y'all remember but months ago when we did the rock will episodes. I tossed the <hes>. The coffee made up on the the ceiling of the poison room serum. That's still there. Are you guys looking forward to making some coffee with that next year so yeah. It's gonna going to be a laxed one pump one shed cheese all right. We're talking about said. British is realism the normal same concept of british the british people at the juice and use or not not that you yes i follow yes so make sense well. At this point. The jews are still the jews but also british people are secret juice. That's british his realism in so british israel has continued to evolve over the course of the eighteen hundreds of fil named high added the assertion that germans were released syrians because apparently those people had gotten lost two who and wound up in germany somehow hein claim that the united states was also full of israelites now at this point actual jewish people like real jewish folks. We're not seen his bad guys. They were considered part of greater community called all israel which was made up of the house of israel which was europe and the house of judah which his actual jewish people now. There is no evidence for any of this at any point in time. This was not this was just not using this was a slow it was all just the result of guys mental wilderness like that that's what was going on a sick man who had a dream about leading the juice back to palestine read too much into that <hes> so that's where this starts now a fellow named joseph wild was the very first american british israelite or if he wasn't the first he's the first guy who tried to popularize authorize it here in the first one we have any records of wild was a pastor at the union congregational church in brooklyn at this point the theory or whatever you would call it was fundamentally really pretty harmless but as it drifted through the united states from the frigid east the also frigid north west something funny happened. British israel ism turned racist assists fuck <hes> that's great. That's weird how her no we're. We're though it happened. Surprising yes surprising indeed now. The man and most responsible for this turn was an oregonian named reuben h sawyer in the late nineteen teens he started writing for a monthly magazine called the watchmen watchmen of israel which was dedicated the idea that quote the english speaking peoples of today are the lineal descendants of the lost tribes of israel and must fulfill in these latter days the responsibilities decreed for them through the patriarchs and the prophets so reuben was the pastor of the eastside christian church in portland oregon and over the years he built up a sizeable british israel group in the city of roses in fact he was so successful at this that he left his job as a pastor in nineteen twenty one to lecture and write about about british is realism full-time well not quite full time he did have one other side gig as a member of the oregon. Ku klux klan all right we go. We know where it's going. I you know i love talking about the nineteen twenties one beautiful wacky clan before he got back to being back when they were still hanging at the cool coastal areas losers the loser yeah not the mass murderers although they still a lot of people probably shouldn't laugh at them as often as we do but i mean the cuco coast camping because there can you imagine the pitch meeting for the cool coast camp i can i think someone mentioned someone suggests that and everyone else that's a great idea so <hes> ruben was big into the clan for several years and in fact he helped sell his fellow portlanders on it addressing six thousand kind of them on december twenty second nineteen twenty one at the municipal auditorium. He told them the k._k._k. Sought quote a cleansed purified americanism where law abiding citizens will be respected acted and their rights defended irrespective of race religion or color so long as they make an honest effort to be americans and americans only so that's nice racer color yeah and at this point. This wasn't totally bullshit. The twenties clan was more of a pyramid scheme than a terrorist organization. It was racist but not more racist than mainstream american in society. When it came to skin color they were however more racist than mainstream americans about certain things they hated the catholic the foreign born asians and of course choose racist. This presented an issue grade on a curve in the twenty yeah so are you suggesting that like when you create like a big group inevitably. You'll have a bunch of a bunch of out groups. Yes <hes> an increasing number without interesting now the effect the k._k._k. Hit the jews presented an issue for reuben sawyer because british is realism loved the jews at least it traditionally did right like that was part of the whole idea was this kind of like veneration of judas aren't like all these british people wanted to choose so rubin started out as like kind of being on the side of jewish people like liking them but over time and exposure to other antisemites in the k. clay ruben radicalized in his first speech about the clan he'd brought up the jewish question but made a point of noting that some jews were of ancient and honorable faith while only a few were objectionable according to the book religion and the right quote by nineteen twenty two however this innuendo had been replaced by full-blown antisemitism that was his crude as it was open quote jews user either bolsheviks government or shylock's in finance or commerce who can command control of christians as borrowers or employees it is repugnant to a true american to be boss by ashini and in some parts of america. The cakes are so thick that a white man can hardly find room to walk on the sidewalk where they are so thick it is bolshevism. They're talking bolshevism awesome and revolution. The transformation is so startling that one wonders at i if it is the same person speaking this is the back to a quote from the book yeah my head listen that yeah that is a lot of racial slurs for jewish people in like sure is like a paragraph. That's like all of them. Yeah i've run out of yikes yeah yeah <hes> <hes> so yeah he he started out making a distinction between good jews in bad you interesting <hes> and then eventually just decided that all jews were terrible like really jews and ethnic jews yeah <hes> yeah so ruben became a major force for pushing his fellow american british british israelites towards anti semitism in the early and mid nineteen twenties. The dearborn independent newspaper funded by henry ford began pushing even more extreme anti semitic ideas on the wider american american public. It's editor william. Cameron was a british israelite thanks to people like ruben and cameron the category of good juice shrink every year and the dangers of the bad ones expanded expanded to something resembling the all encompassing anti semitic conspiracy theory that set robert bowers off on his rampage from the late nineteen twenty s to the nineteen thirties howard rand a british british israelite from new england became a thought leader in the movement his goal was to build it into a political organization in nineteen thirty three he formed the anglo saxon federation of america which claimed that actual jewish people were not in fact descended from judah by the late nineteen thirties rans ideas that evolved to the point where he began to claim that jewish people were literally the children of the devil. If you're curious about how this went down here's an explanation from the website of a modern christian identity group quote most that call themselves jews today are in fact the race of lucifer through his son. Kane kane was inherently evil from the beginning because he was of lucifer seed eve beguiled by lucifer and did in the carnal sense lay with him and bhagat cain. It was a pair on the ground and not an apple on the tree. Eve was deceived by lucifer and was led to believe that she was laying down with galway god. Let's the conspiracy spiracy theory that the devil tricked eve into fucking him <hes> in thinking that he was god but it was really the devil and that's where cain comes from kane. Pain is the father of the jews well that i'll make sense. I love <hes> district <hes> yeah you. You can't not put quotation marks context god so howard rand was the very first person to use the term christian identity and his thinking had a big impact on fella named william dudley pelley was of course the founder of the american fascist silver shirts movement who we also talked about an episode of behind bastards really bringing all the hits onto our i mean it's all it's all intersectional fascism <hes> intersectional sectional fascism and we're here <hes> but the nineteen forties the core of the christian identity belief system was more or less formed. It includes three specific ideas number. One aryans are descendants of the biblical tribes of israel number. Two actual jews are the result of the devil having sex with eve in the garden of even eden and number the three the apocalypse is nigh and when it comes areas will have to go toe to toe with the worldwide jewish conspiracy in order to save the planet when he walked into the tree of life synagogue synagogue that cold october morning robert bauer saw himself as a soldier taking place in this great apocalyptic battle against the jews now heart in his fellow. Oh christian identity believers had to be careful during world war two since their belief system was essentially just nazism without the swastika but that didn't stop him from route railing against f._d._r. Appointment of the first first jewish supreme court justice felix frankfurter. It also didn't stop him from opposing the admission of jewish refugees into the united states after nineteen thirty eight heart specific beliefs were always fringe but they bled over into the mainstream american right wing due to the rights obsessive fear of socialism. I'd like to quote next from tablet magazine article. The bloody history of america's the christian identity movement quote the broader concern of heart and his allies in the respectable wing of anti semitism liberal journalists casey mcwilliams called them the armchair andy semites the right was that liberal and socialist jews were ultimately behind the hated new deal in the corresponding transformations of in american society. These armchair antisemites believed that admitting holocaust survivors into the united states after world war two would be the first step in dismantling the immigration act of nineteen twenty four to preserve the racial character of america american jews many of whom supported supported easing immigration restrictions broadly with the boogeyman if the nativist right and since right-wing native is also often subscribe to judeo bolshevik conspiracy theories opposing immigration was away to strike a blow against communism as well as judaism and preserve the white christian character of the united states. I just hate the song the song that we have. It's a play it all the time. It's the same catchy. It doesn't have a good. It's not bad song all the time big mush pot. Are you trying to say yeah encore played again. Let's let's keep complaining about how immigrations going to destroy the country. We have for two hundred hundred straight us inflation of like all this like antisemitism and then like the communism and socialism immigration all these topics lane. It's all the same name. It's actually don't pick any of those. Don't pick any get off the highway pullover goethe rest. Stop you need to sleep in your car pairing your fucking car picking up in the bathroom so from the beginning christian identity and he connected more with the dark and violent chunks of the far right than mainstream conservatism the started with the silver shirts and the k._k._k. And continued into nineteen sixty four when this peculiarly american fascist colt metal guy named george lincoln rockwell and that's what we're gonna talk about after this ad pivot oh it should i throw something not not yet. No no no. He's not not yet. I get a lot of emails about coal case all the time and usually when i look at a story i can tell the first five minutes with probably happened but this one was really strange. I'm katherine townsend host of the true crime podcast helen gone hours asking people who were what's wrong what's wrong and when we got into the sheriff's office neo instead james dan no explanation. Janey ward was sixteen years old when she died under mysterious circumstances she was at a party at a cabin cabin in the woods in the small town of marshall arkansas rob story that she fell off my daughter would be today. I'm heading back to arkansas on a new case to find out what happened to jamie ward on september ninth nineteen eighty-nine listen to hell and gone. That's h. E. l. l. and gone on apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts we're back. I rejected the urge to throw another thing but i'm looking. I'm gonna throw this big fistful of of silverware packets. Jackets showed your strength. Thank you in that moment. Thank you thank you character counts <laughter> <hes> uh-huh yeah these these seem safe projectiles but they're covered in plastics excited at the amount of mess. They're gonna make because that's really going to be a lot for dan lydia lydia with so if he says clean i don't wanna cleaning staff to have to deal with it to just stand all right all right well the the plastic the plastic forks knives will be all right. That's that's not like a mess. I wouldn't describe that as a matt dillon clean sign on the door. I'm gonna do that slow agent cass over here. Aren't you. Yeah little shrunk yeah a little bit. Oh heck shucks ducks wanna hear some more about some duggan about some fucking george lincoln rockwell in the ashtray identity movement. I don't i will so in case. Some of the people listening haven't listened to the three parter george lincoln rockwell's life and impact that we <hes> we talked about earlier. I'm going to summarize his life here. Rockwell was the founder of the american nazi z. party not much more than a decade. After world war two ended he was the first postwar holocaust denier he was the first fascist to make money by lecturing american colleges and provoking fights with anti-fascists. He invented the term white power and was in general basically the johnny appleseed of nazism in american. Now was an original thinker. A pioneer of the tactics that fascia folks folks still use today to get media coverage play the victim but he came into the game early enough that he never quite figured out how to hide his power level which is a term modern fascist used for hiding their beliefs as garden variety conservatism rapa was initially somewhat anti christian because jesus was jewish which is something that did exactly play well with nineteen sixties american conservatives gives but in nineteen sixty four rockwell met with wesley swift leader of the christian identity church rockwell instantly recognize what an opportunity christian identity represented represented for nazis in america as it stood at that point in the party's history <hes> american nazism was basically just a cheap rip off of german fascism that was good for triggering jewish war veterans and civil rights activists but it didn't click with regular americans in a way that would allow it to spread american fascism rockwell thought needed a spiritual ritual core something esoteric a little colt in thoroughly american wherever it arises in the world fascism takes pieces of different spiritual traditions and hammers them together around its central authoritarian framework. This is part of what allows it to spread in different cultures umberto eco identified. This trait a syncretism quote. The nazi notice was nourished by traditionalist syncretic occult elements. Most influential theoretical source of the theories of the new italian right julius evola merged the holy grail with the protocols the elders of zion alchemy with the holy roman germanic empire if you browsing the shelves that in american bookstores are labeled as new age you can find their even saint augustine who is as far as i know it was not a fascist but combining saint augustine and stonehenge that is a symptom of earth fascism so obviously echoed in right is sa until decades after rockwell's wall's death but was such a natural fascist and such an instinctive fear or type that he instantly seemed to know that grafting christian identity onto american nazism was going to be critical if if it was going to spread so he appointed row forbes head of the california branch of his nazi party to be the party christian identity minister for racing nation. My favorite rockwell biography perfect says this about forbes his strident racial views is flair for the dramatic and has loyalty to rockwall made forbes. The perfect man for the job california was an ideal location. There were numerous identity any ministry successfully operating their forbes to be the first nazi officer to preside over a flock but fusing christian identity and national socialism rockwell hoped to maximize the synergies of the groups and broaden the potential membership for each group nazis could find religious justification legitimization in the church identity members could find political expression for their theology in the a. n. P. a riot could now be expressed as religion under the guise of the identity church the push on with an party to legitimize the cause to de-emphasize nazism and push racial issues to the forefront and racial issues could be easily exploded because they preyed upon nativist fears of the white population cool yeah good idea more palatable yeah yeah it it it makes it more palatable more american in the kind of expands the breadth that it can reach now. There's a theology behind it. All let nastiness and german thankfully for all of us rock will was assassinated by one of his own men on august twenty fifth nineteen sixty seven. We'll talk about what happened to the american nazi party after his death in more detail in the next chapter right now what's important is that rockwell's marriage of american nazism with christian identity took it spread throughout the fascist right richard butler the reverend who founded the area nations compound in idaho was a christian identity preacher throughout the nineteen thousand nine hundred nineties area nations acted as one of the linchpins of american fascism awesome a place where every kind of violent right wing extremists would gather in meat and make connections with each other from the area nations christian identity beliefs were able to make inroads not just among clansman landsman neo nazis but into the american militia movement tanya tell sharp a researcher with the journal of black studies was one of the first academics document the spread of christian. I did outside of explicit fascists into the mercury world of american quote patriots she documented evidence of christian identity pamphlets and underground literature spreading and small small local gun and knife shows throughout the country from nineteen ninety five to nineteen ninety nine it had of course been prominent in that world before nineteen ninety-five christian identities focus focus on the inevitable apocalyptic battle between aryans and satanic jews meshed well with the apocalyptic fetishism of the survivalist militia communities. It's like that. That's part of why it's so naturally. The american yeah gives them a reason. Get gives the quote logic there. They're like feelings or desires. Have these like especially once the cold war's over and you don't have that sort of like secular reason to spend the apocalypse now. There's yeah yeah yeah yeah as tiny sharp wrote. Both groups were tied together by their belief that quote reestablishment of white sovereignty depends on the use of organized aggression against the enemies of true christians all non whites in all non-protestants the first two letters of racial holy war make up the battlecry rahula often used an identity speeches and publications christian identity literature irregularly focused on preparing this apocalyptic battle which allowed them to subtly recruit prep race by focusing on not explicitly ideological tasks like acquiring dried food and weaponry or building anti-personnel traps in order to protect woodland compounds white u._k. Was the gold mine for christian identity. Fear of the year two thousand brought thousands of new americans into the world of survivalist survivalist magazines conventions online message boards the worlds of the militia movement in the survivalist communities are of course closely tied into the world of conspiracy theorists in the late nineteen ninety. S guys like alex. Jones weren't preaching overt anti semitic conspiracy theories. You'd never catch him. Claiming jews were the spawn of satan for example but joan his ilk were major proponents of the new world order the king of conspiracy theories throughout the nineties and early two thousands the w. o. Took different forms in the mouths of different conspiracy theorists the most mainstream at least racist version of the theory that a secret world government of shadowy globalist was slowly taking over the federal government and the governments of the world with the aim of enforcing total orwellian lean control over the populace and killing georgie of the world's population particularly the christians the new world order conspiracy was again not inherently antisemitic or racist but in practice most expressions of the theory one focusing on beliefs that a jewish lead cabal of blacks homosexuals hispanic immigrants and liberals was trying to wipe out all straight white christian americans and christian identity believers introduced the term zionist occupied government or zog into the lexicon of american fringe politics. It took off like wildfire leading countless bliss americans on the far-right entering the vocabularies of countless americans on the far right who would never have considered calling himself. The nazi just zog's yeah they would never they never do it. I say number taylor's time guys same thing for that connection quite that that's where it's heading towards that that is where it all heads toward alex jones all headscarves and he has had so many christian identity preachers on his show. They never talk about christian identity. <hes> you look into a ton of these guys and it's like oh. He's a pastor of a christian identity underlying yeah right you present them on the platform and then eventually get into them and then they don't realize what they actually preach in them they get. They absorbed what they preach yeah. It's brilliant. Christian beliefs happen to mesh perfectly with every other extremist belief in the united states in the late nineteen eighties early nineties tax protesting became more common christian identity fit in with that too arguing. Paying taxes was really just paying for the demonic jews jews to carry out their white genocide aims even faster in nineteen ninety-seven william luther pierce a former devotee of rockwell and head of a nazi group called the national alliance wrote this this newsletter the truth of the matter is that the new world order people ultimately aim to create a new world population of serfs for their global plantation. A homogeneous population of coffee colored serves a population of docile predictable and interchangeable surfs and they definitely don't want any large reservoir of white people anywhere who might rebel nineteen ninety seven now if you take the word white out of that sentiment it almost word for word matches with any one of a thousand rand alex jones has gone on careers under rockwell. The american nazi party never numbered more than a few dozen real committed members in its ideas never gained any kind of mainstream penetration but the late nineteen ninety s american fascists were no less hateful or violent than they've ever been but their rhetoric had evolved to fit with the deep conspiratorial undercurrent sweeping through american society rockwall rockwell had shotgun doubt hardcore racism and as a result he'd only been able to recruit a small number of the craziest people in america or i should say craziest of the worst people in america. A new american fascism blended with christian identity was capable of hiding out in more moderate spaces and luring in new believers without waving swastika in their faces. Perhaps the most potent weapon christian identity added to the arsenal american fascism was the idea of white genocide. If you spent much time studying neo-nazis you're aware of the significance of the number for fourteen that stands for the fourteen words we must secure the existence of our people in a future for white children. This is the invention of david lane a neo nazi bank robber and for decades aids a christian identity believer <hes> while lane was has moved on from christianity to a weird sort of bastardized norse mythology rip off that fucking fucking viking there now <hes> he and other christian identity believers in the eighties and nineties were largely responsible for seeding the fear of white genocide into american fascism from tanya sharps article quote the identity literature is filled with negative images of white women caring for mixed race babies race mixing in and of itself as a cause for an organized organized radical plan to separate the races the national vanguard magazine a leading neo-nazi publications suggests that the cult of miscegenation which according to them has proliferated over the past thirty for years has placed the white race on the precipice of biological extinction furthermore they argue that only radical action will in the morality of death now the the urge to protect white babies and ensure the future of the white race inspired a little guy named eric rudolph to bomb an alabama abortion clinic in nineteen ninety-six rudolph was a christian identity believer in his beliefs led him to bomb atlanta's olympic park the same year along with a gay nightclub rudolph spent more than a year hiding in the woods looting federal agents he killed two and injured more than one hundred twenty people over his almost two year long bombing spree and as we talked about in the introduction this he also inspired that british bomber who's the series of nail bombs that killed three people and injured dozens more which also inspired the guy who killed joe cox almost like it's a chain reaction yeah yeah exactly now alec rudolph <hes> as i stated was not the last person moved to violence by this picture of declining white race everyone listening to this will remember of course the two thousand nineteen christ's church massacre in which a fascist extremists murdered fifty-one muslim worshippers at a new zealand mosque that shooter did not identify as a nazi and his manifesto lack the expected anti semitic rambling but he ranted at length about the threat of white genocide and what he called the great replacement in between those two terrorists are dozens and dozens of other attacks with bits of christian identity d._n._a. coded into to them john ernest the powell synagogue shooter did not identify himself as a follower of christian identity theology but according to tablet magazine quote the manifesto festival left behind by the shooter reads like a hybrid of classical christian antisemitism in contemporary white nationalism he alternated within paragraphs sometimes within sentences from charging the jews with responsibility for the death of jesus in the early christian saints to declaring that jews fund politicians and organizations who use mass immigration to this place the european race the document is is riddled with contradictions in his inarticulate even by white nationalist manifesto standards as it moves between citing the gospels and the killers love of frederic chopin with explosive hatred toward jews but what does evince clearly as a grounding a form of antisemitism. That's equally in debt to older christian traditions and more modern secular variants centered on race in soil. Christianity's influence in the fascist right is so deep and so well woven that attacks are now carried out by terrorists who have been inspired by tenants without ever learning the words christian identity. You'll be hearing about it regularly throughout the rest of the audiobook and i'll be sure to point out wherever groups are individuals we discussed or christian identity believers but it almost isn't necessary christian identity. He is now part of the furniture of american fascism. No matter whether or not it's referenced directly it shows up there yeah yeah yeah so is the same same kind of shades shades the same fascinating and horrifying of course yeah. This was just like usual the groundwork. We need a delay to really get into the story because it's all this stuff that they're they're like you said even. They don't necessarily know where it came from or robert. Bowers is kind of rare in that he actually did read in crayon any philosophy awesome yeah. I don't think ernest ever did but it's their city is like people believe like you said they start listening to this person talk and they don't on the surface understand that it has has all of these different layers to it as you get drawn in then you're starting on subconsciously. It's you notice that like trump's references to <music> soros funding the mayor and stuff how that ties into like christian identity this idea that goes back to like the fucking thirties that the jews are trying to like like replace fund multiculturalism to replace yeah all the nonsense and if you don't you don't need to have read read all this to to like know that or believe in it you just you're just like a piece in the long thread that that guy there might right metaphor fell apart. I'm sorry you lost confidence. <hes> yeah you should ask because we all turn look day. Oh yeah the pressure from from being looked at by a familiar quake thrust as i think i'm gonna throw this a packet of silverware <hes> so if i should throw it away for my dog ceiling it's raining just went straightforward hoping it would all l. among the oranges now the oranges we can use those de eat the oranges quite a mess quite a mess for danell tongs in there yet. There's some tongs on yeah. I think i can use us to pick up the oranges. No no the oranges stay. Dan can use tongs day <hes> the dog teams. You guys wanna plug some stuff more than anything in the world. I love plugging check out our podcast called even more news check out our patriot on dot com slash some more news we are also. We have shirts and merch on t. public. I believe <hes> probably dot com slash user slash the more newsstands right. I i don't know look it up. 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Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network: Beyond The Beltway with Bruce DuMont (August 11, 2019)

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Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network: Beyond The Beltway with Bruce DuMont (August 11, 2019)

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You're a progressive your writer author <hes> and it's great to have you back. What is your take on on the jeffrey epstein mm suicide now. The president is taking a lot of heat because he is re tweeted. Something <hes> conspiracy theory that is being <hes> off <hes> spread around the internet by terrance williams a conservative commentator but what's your take on the bizarre case of jeffrey epstein well. I'm happy to make might might triumphant comeback to the program. Thank you for having me. <hes> the epsteins story it. I have no insight to share on the suicide eight. Although there are certainly elements that are suspicious. I'm not shocking any of your audience with that. However i'm amazed at how the democrats refused to touch the story. If i was bernie sanders and i was attempting to build my entire campaign around casting aspersion with good reason on the undo disproportionate amount of influence the billionaire class says he likes to say has over our society. I could think of no better illustration than a billionaire. Pedophile who successfully awfully manipulated the legal system to his advantage flu around on his private. Jet of former president attended parties at the resort of the current president. Why bernie sanders why elizabeth warren refuses to touch that story to say we're taxing the we're cutting the taxes on jeffrey epstein rather than forgiving student debt were cutting the taxes for jeffrey epstein rather than creating medicare for all it boggles my mind and it makes me question the intelligence of the entire apparatus of the democratic party christopher georges for one time listeners chris. They know you're not only a conservative urban commentator but once upon a time you're young you you spent some time in the cia. This is a very spooky story is not yes. I think it's kind out of a banana republic story for all of your facebook viewers out there. I'm sure you've seen somewhat humorous. Memes i guess at some point or another her with a picture of hillary clinton waving and the quote beneath the wave is make sure it looks like a suicide right and and i think that it's very sad for this country that we've gotten to the point with this attorney general and this administration and and bureau of prisons leadership that jeffrey epstein was not kept alive to face his accusers both criminal and civil. This is a massive failure by the united states department of justice and that's that's why our attorney general apparently this more yesterday morning was quote livid unquote when he learned that epstein had in fact expired dumb recap. You're a democrat <hes>. What's your take on this. <hes> story that really it's a conspiracy tail to some extent but it's a conspiracy conspiracy tale that both liberals and conservatives might be spreading culprit. Obviously whether is the conspiracy or stupidity. It's one or the other because if someone's already tried to commit suicide and they should be under suicide watch and then they're not and then they successfully commit suicide. Something is wrong with that. How could you have him. When you already have been tipped off the man tried already and and then you're you don't have him under suicide. Watch i mean he should have been they should've been checking on him all the while he was in jail and it happens on the heels of of release of court documents in a related case but not the exact case where some names of some pretty big players are there are mentioned including the former governor from new mexico bill richardson very close to the clinton administration george mitchell the majority leader here of the united states senate from maine and prince andrew who are allegedly. I want to stress allegedly involved in some sort of a a relationship relationship with some young women that allegedly were told to go have go to bed with these folks and it's all it it just it. You couldn't even make this story up i i. I think some of us here think back. I've taken a hiatus from facebook facebook but two or three weeks ago. I think are a month ago. I said something about you. Know watch out for a suicide situation or the other thing is inside and this isn't so true it a metropolitan correctional center federal facility but it places like rikers island is we from the dahmer case up in wisconsin but many any others folks were inside and who are known to have abused children face prison justice right okay and that's something that may also have been operating here but i agree with dell murray that it's either a conspiracy conspiracy or it is to pity and since there are a lot of dangerous people in there and they tend to stay in there. I'm gonna say there isn't isn't much stupidity inside that building. I'm not feeling good about the possibility of conspiracy for the very reason that you mentioned you know. The document dump trump was ordered by i believe it was the second circuit court of the federal circuit the united states circuit court second second circuit good and that has released into public discussion all kinds of documents all kinds of allegation and all of the pages right right all the people named therein deserve a presumption of innocence a presumption of not having taken part because none of that has been proven yet as as as i understand the bottom line is he was determined to commit suicide. I mean obviously he was determined that he was going to try and because he was facing life in prison and so he knew he was never going to get out again and he just from what we know of him. He was not somebody who was the character or had the demeanor to withstand what that would mean for him. 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I want to get everybody's reaction start. Will you tell me what was your reaction to president trump's national address to the nation earlier this week on what happened in el paso and in ohio and also trying to come up with words that the denounce racism and racists and white nationals white white nationalist well the bottom line. Is i mean you can see this is what he says does not come from the heart. It is being being written for him and he even has a hard time reading it because he knows he doesn't mean it. I mean i'm not here to say he's a white nationalists or a white supremacist but he certainly has a racist and to me that is indisputable so he will never be able to feel deal genuinely those words of remorse or regret or empathy for the people in either place david bethel. I remember member quite well. During the bush administration how not president bush himself but some of his more fulsome supporters would often accuse critics of of the iraq war of harboring an anti-american sentiment or advocating soft on terrorism approach to national security purity i would again. I'm giving democrats a lot of free advice tonight. I would say that the democrats need to elevate their language anguish to meet the urgency of the crisis of trump's failure of leadership. We now know that his own department of justice in two thousand eighteen put out a report identifying white extremist groups as comprising the greatest terror threat facing the nation that every extremist murder in that year was committed a white supremacist or a white nationalist and that trump had the report buried so that's not that is racism awesome and i agree with you but that's also soft on terrorism. That's also an anti-american policy because as we've seen with the worst possible possible evidence loved ones planning funerals right now as we've seen with the worst possible evidence the lives of americans are at stake and trump up needs to answer what he considers more important political expediency in the form of policing his base or protecting the lives of more innocent americans is based on what he said this week <hes> and again it was off a teleprompter and i agree with you. There's a big difference when he speaks off a teleprompter. He talks slower. He gets down east south. He looks and sounds older venezuelan. He's just winging it. From it. Clearly doesn't sound like it's coming from the heart so my question into you chris as as a republican i mean can can the republicans win an election without appealing to some elements of your of your base the republican base that might be racist. Can you win an election that way. I i'm known dumber for many years. You were children and and i've been on the program before david i. I don't think that trump is a racist. Racism was never part of the trump portrait until he started to run for president resident in new york city people who knew him best saw him as a figure that was working overtime to get women into construction to blacks into construction to find hispanics and other minorities and bring them into construction and into his projects. He was recognized as such. He's the only president in tire history three to have been feted and recognized on the same stages rosa parks and so i personally checked the idea that he is a racist but i i understand that folks have sincerely held beliefs on the other side now having said that i agree with you that when he's reading off the teleprompter doesn't sound like it comes from the heart i think think he is. He's very strange politician. He's unusual and he doesn't have some of the abilities that say a bill. Oh clinton or even a george w bush had or even barack obama but does does he know and and maybe steve bannon in and teach him how to appeal to you and i would never want to go to a cocktail i i i have never i have never felt that. I don't appeal to those people. I don't want to have anything to do with them. And the republican party or the conservative movement kicked them out in one thousand nine hundred five under the leadership of bill buckley both the the iron rand types and the george lincoln rockwell types so all of those people were kicked out conservative movement sixty years ago seventy years ago oh and so i don't i don't see anything that trump has done as welcoming them but i think that i honestly think that there a lot of folks in the national media and there are a lot of folks at the national democratic party level who are intent on using scare tactics as i believe leave they have consistently over the last this tactic aristotle defined character as habitual action so rack president trump has habitually made racist remarks and enacted racial is to policy we can go back to the announcement instrument of the candidacy in which he disparaged mexican immigrants as bringing crimes drugs. <hes> rapists and some of them are good. People was the qualification tation he added his disparagement of a judge as being unable to adjudicated case because of mexican heritage his coddling <music> of white nationalist after the charlottesville murder his disparagement of predominantly black cities as hell holes also this is this is a pattern this habitual so i would just ask you and i have no question or no reason to question your sincerity. What would trump have to do to meet that standard for you. I mean would it require a cross burning on the white house lawn or or the use of the n. word word you wanna jump in and jump in my hope as i said from the beginning indisputable. This is not up for debate. I'm not debating. Whether donald trump is a racist. He's racist. I'm a black person and he's a racist when he talks about foreign countries that are african another black and he calls them shithole countries when he says to the n._f._l. Players because they took a knee that tell that son of a bitch to go back where he came from fire him fire him thought that's code. That's cold. We already all know what that is. That's dog whistling that means go back to africa. We know that that's the same <hes> a mantra that they said in the sixties. Go back to africa. That's what what he was saying to. These women the congresswoman when he was saying go back to your rack infested crime infested gang infested places where you came from baltimore those i think you're i think you're conflating there between the battle with the congressman from maryland congressman but he was saying to them go back where they came from but then he went on to rate with elisa commons coming when he went into the rat infested. It was no difference in what he was saying the same thing and he he launched his political career ingratiating himself to a certain hideous part of the american electorate electorate with birtherism claimed he had investigators in hawaii and they were finding things. You wouldn't believe we're still waiting on that report. Every black a person is lower i._q. So so maxine waters noah and frederica wilson lower i._q. Cute so every time everytime you talking about a black person there lower i._q. Who's more lower i._q. Than him that's good okay. I'm down do about a minute here and that's okay and that's okay. I certainly i don't doubt anybody sincerity either. I would say that the textual references are you're actually not accurate. I really truly believe that and i would direct everybody's attention especially facebook listeners to steve cortez in his explication of the statement about charlottesville on this week's prager you video. I think it is very significant. I've been over the text of the the announcement statement in fact. I sat at the city club here in chicago across the table from trump when he had lunch and spoke at the city club a week after he wrote down the elevator. We talked are the escalator we talked about. It was a topic of conversation there at the table and i think that that has been widely misreported misinterpreted et cetera now you say things about the n._f._l. Players and say the things about about the the the female members of congress. I think female members of congress were told and squat. I don't go for this and i would never say. It and i've never said anything like it and i'm never we're going to say anything like it but i think if you if you take what he was saying if you're so smart you know go back. Fix your country then. Come back and tell us how it works. I don't think he hussein go back and never come back and that's not on the tape bacteria. I think their marriage to begin with but i think that you're looking at statements that he is said and one of the things that you have to accept with this guy. 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You're listening to us. <hes> one of our oldest affiliates in new hampshire nice steady with is to say we've got great guests this every one of our gas that was scheduled <hes> did not show up again that happens every once in a while. That person was a republican so if you're saying we'll tonight's it's like the democrats and only one republican you're white but we have a very strong republican and let's let david it's reduced himself the to the audience david all right. Hello everyone great to be with you. My name is david massey. Oh tre i'm a columnist with salon dot com and author of ah four books the two most recent of which are mellencamp american troubadour and barack obama invisible man. I'm currently writing the fifth book. I am somebody wi- jesse jackson matters okay and let's go to chris roebling for people that don't remember you good evening. Everybody thanks for watching. My name is chris rolling and i've had the privilege of being on the program off and on for many years. We're not going to start counting but i think i go back a long way. Three decades three decades plus yeah and dell marie cobb always great to have you with this bill murray. Thank you bruce and <music>. I'm w recap and i'm a political consultant. I consider myself a progressive so you actually may have to progressives on the on the show but i i worked for a lot of <hes> presidential all the way down to alderman campaigns throughout my career including the jesse jackson one thousand nine hundred he accidentally national traveling press secretary and then i was his sons director of communications when he ran in the special election in ninety five now you you were also your with an organization called ida's legacy <hes> to be wells explained who either is why why it's important that that she'd be remembered bird and then you have a benefit coming up this coming week well. I'd be wells as actually my hero and i'm fortunate enough that the block i live on in chicago is right. I live right across the street from her house. <hes> and i've lived on that block for fifty years. She was republican so well. Most black people people were at that time so and she helped elect the first republican alderman in chicago oscar de priest in nineteen fifteen so you know yes. She was an extraordinary woman. She was independent. She was fierce. She was a strategist. She was a suffrage est. She was a and we all know the anti lynching campaign which is how she came to fame but she took no prisoners she did did not compromise so there were black people who didn't like her specifically black men because she would not compromise and then the white women who she he fought to help push voting rights for women didn't like her because they still was black so they want her to sit at the back of the bus and she was like no. I'm not sitting at the back of the bus not benefit coming benefit coming up. It's a nonprofit organization and you're going to be showing a film called. The lincoln is crying. It's a new film. It has not been officially released yet. Hopefully you'll be seeing it on public television soon. <hes> i will say <hes> i i am in the film periodically as political advisor. It's about all the corrupt politicians in the state of illinois. What's unique about it and you're going to be screening. Etta ed benefit coming up this coming thursday the fifteenth so we have a pack called. I just legacy which is named after i had to be wells and the whole idea behind the pack is to support in developed progressive african american women candidates and so for our summer mixer we're showing the film lincoln crying because the whole premise of the pack and in the legacy of either be wells is the speak truth to power and so that event is coming up thursday august fifteenth at hat <hes> columbia college give the phone number nice and slow and then we're gonna move on okay and the phone number is three one two nine four eight nine nine five one okay very good. Thank you <hes> i want to switch gears and go to the other one of the other big stories and that is you know. The president visited <hes> both in ohio and in texas <hes> presidents no matter who they are. They always get some criticism for going to places just like that because either they overplay it. <hes> in this particular case there were there were demonstrations against the president and they're certainly wasn't at least in ohio. There wasn't a friendly in a local political figure that was that was welcoming did did he. Did he blow this. This one foot did the one photograph. We're malani is holding. The orphan of two people that were murdered in el paso did that one picture destroy any goodwill plus. The thumbs up did that destroy any goodwill that the president was trying. Why do i don't. I don't think it destroyed all of the goodwill but i think that you know reference our comments earlier <hes> <hes>. I just think that president trump is a very unusual force in american politics. He represents a lot of alien nation. He represents a lot of anger. He represents a lot of folks feeling like the system they supported turned against them and left them by the side of the road to serve coastal elites and he says a lot of things and to be it something as somber serious sad and significant deficient as el paso and to talk about you know his rally in el paso whatever it is eight days ago it's just unfortunate unfortunate but that's the kind of guy he is and that's what we've got and i think that if if if i can finish what i was trying to say before i i believe that trump's policies relative to folks of all strata all all levels of society whether they're black white around whatever is far more beneficial for folks who have had to face adversity in the past and i believe that those policies like liberating children in these democrat controlled cities from these massive bureaucratic education education non educational institutions like the chicago public schools or liked the baltimore public schools is indicative of a serious areas sincere policy concern and personal determination. You might say oh well. It's it's it's that's just window-dressing it. It doesn't necessarily help this base. That bruce was alluding to i it helps to conservatives in the base because that's that's why we oppose big government solutions because they tend to trample on the least among those get cut. You've given a lot of intellectual all responses but when you get right down to be up the lack of smarts for lack of empathy finance commonsense finesse i mean this is a guy that grew up with you know with with with with a silver spoon in his mouth and and had all went to good schools surrounded themselves i mean this guy was taught in to raise the pinky finger when he was probably ten years but my questions someone whether it's even someone on the staff. How does there's someone on the staff not realized that having the first lady holding an orphan who was orphaned by two of the victims at el paso aso and they have the president smiling with his thumb up. How is it that there isn't somebody on that staff that can say it to to slow him down or or kick him in the head and say wake up guy. You used your your your defeating all the good all the people who who want to support you and because they like your policies. You're kicking him in the face. You're you're putting them in a defensive position. In any any conversation you have with decent people around the world because he's acting like a goofball you use the the key word empathy. One of the greatest qualities ladies of president trump is his exhibitionism and i don't mean in that in the physical sense thank god but politically in terms of his personality. He's constantly exposing himself so people have used the word sociopathic to describe trump and that's a clinical call term but they're referring perhaps using the word loosely to a deficit of empathy an inability to sympathize with people when he take that photo he provides confirmation of that idea i he i think that point is overdrawn when he when he's talking with a woman whose family was murdered heard by isis in the oval office and he never even says i'm sorry for your loss he stares straight ahead and then turns to her and says and you wanna nobel prize it makes him appear as if he's incapable of feeling the slightest sensitivity for people who have lost everything people who are suffering. I go to puerto rico and throw paper towels that people i mean all those things it happens over and over and over again and it's not the same the thing each time. It's a different but in your case because you've got a lot of staff work over the years. This is beyond bad staff work. Oh the answer to bruce's question is the husband of kellyanne conway anway. Yes maybe at the cost of that marriage. He's playing that role and i don't think that trump can write that off or ignore it or you know oh sort of <hes> flippantly dismissed he understands the george conway is one of the most gifted attorneys in the nation happens to be republican happens to be married to kellyanne happens to be a person of extraordinary quality and extraordinary capability and george conway. We'll get on and attack. The president and this is just another bizarre element in this whole may lodge. We've gotten front of us politically but i wanna tell you you you you talk about empathy and i don't i i don't mean to i'm gonna sound partisan here. Where is the empathy in consigning kids in baltimore to fifteen high schools in which not one child is performing in math at grade level fifteen fifteen high schools and i'm talking about the fifteen high schools that are in the area of the congressman those high schools have not one child chye. Enrollment is ninety nine point nine nine percent african american credit back when we come back. We're gonna talk about ice raids in mississippi. Hi i'm ryan sambergen and i wanna tell you about miracle the musical inspired by twenty sixteen champion chicago cubs. It's one of the best productions i have ever seen now playing at the royal george theater do not miss millions estimate their benefits. If it's online so they can do what they want offline social security securing today and tomorrow see what you can do online at social security dot gov produced a u._s. 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Sharon pennsylvania are are you not tom. I go back to your glad you hear me. Okay i go back to your days. When you were out of hear you out of youngstown ohio. Okay back when you first started near listening. Call him and i hear you now out of in pennsylvania and so i've watched them. I wanna ask you a quick question. You're not the guy that used to listen to the show every sunday in the hot tub with your wife. Are you okay because that was something that was some guy said he looked forward to sunday night for things you can listen to beyond the beltway and he could get in the a hot tub with his wife. I dunno whatever happened to that guy. I hope you'll you'll indulge me for a couple of minutes interr- in subject sure. I think it's a hot button. Go trying to present a different perspective. Okay <hes> with the shootings by the white supremacist promises white nationalist. I have no problem with the justice department. Yep going after these groups the k._k._k. Neo nazis but then i think they also should go after people that do black panthers acorn and al sharpton the the hate-mongers from the other side right on the other thing the other thing action and several other things for it first of all as far as white nationalist louis. I'm i'm white i believe in nationalism i believe in having a country and borders and culture and language but i'm not a member of any fanatic group and i don't believe in white supremacy but i don't believe in white priore in pretty periodicity either prince and you know for the past fifty years and really bright safe for the first twenty years it was necessary to have affirmative action and quotas kaz and <hes> the <hes> set aside by the government for <hes> dramatic contracts for minority women preferences and <hes> business business loan preferences for minorities and women and <hes> college admittance <hes> considerations on that basis but fifty years ears stretches and just the same argument that was given to you about blacks in hispanic minority especially in the inner cities that they were being stereotype. They had most self-esteem. They had no hope for the future. I really think you're seeing that re role reversal now two straight white males for the past probably twenty or thirty years and i really think that part of the reason why these <hes> <hes> groups are are growing in number is because you're seeing the very situation that was trying to be alleviated out with bike in hispanics at this country being not put on straight white males. The woman referred to <hes> being in the back of the bus. Why think streaked white mills view themselves as is be in the back of the bus. I think todd let me just take a break. I wanna dumb letdown marie tackle your your broad question because i think you you did well go ahead. Well i mean that's who donald trump appeal to from the very beginning. When he said make america great again he he was talking about when women and people of color new their place and so as to the whole. Do you think that it also also could have meant he wanted when when he talked about making america great again he was also talking about a time when straight white men <hes> were respected and not looked down upon by minorities and by the by white men were the king of their castle flow and the of the of the business world so it's very hard to be in a situation where your wife goes out to work and you think she's gonna come home and you're still king the castle because once she has to deal with the rest of the world she is not going to look at you as the king of her castle. You're now equals. That is what they are. They're seeing is their esteem as they see it slipping and that's what he spoke but do do you understand. Why david do you understand why some white males straight white males. I feel that they're being ganged up on by society by the democratic party by certain political leaders by corporate america. They are the the they're they're. They are under assault. No i think that but no i understand can you. What is the deal that they are victims. It sounds as if they need a trigger warning in a safe space. What is it trigger a straight white man and my demographic still controls. The country controls the white house controls. Both branches of government is the majority of the supreme court and in the court system the overwhelming majority of executives that major multinational corporations are straight white men. The most influential cultural players are straight white men so this is a category error are since the nineteen sixties we have seen slow and steady progress in terms of equality for blacks equality for women in a quality for gays and white men are making the mistake of believing that someone else's gain is their loss. I think that that's i think we're welby beyond the colors point and i think i think the caller are we. Are we going to call it. The caller's point is that uh-huh to remediate or to address structural racism and discrimination in the nineteen sixties. We instituted booted a raft of race based preferences and i think that he's asking when if ever will the folks who supported what is those you see them as having served their purpose and achieve their goals. We can talk about it after tom. Thank you for your call. We're out of time for the hour one eight hundred seven seven two three eight thousand two hundred nine in the next hour. We're gonna be talking about the democratic field some other issues including the rains in mississippi. When ice shows up up. Do we have to prepare to take care of the children as well back shortly <music> <music> from a and right now you can get boats brits unlimited plan and the all new samsung galaxy s. ten included for just thirty five dollars per month per line nine for five lines. All you need is approved. 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I have one of my biggest fans with the same thing <music> shots and says our guest the complaining too hot in here by the way i just received a bulletin from <hes> <hes> <hes> fritz coleman who's been the director of this show for since he was <hes> he has now told us that we are on <hes> <hes> new go home and run alexa so all you have to do one sunday night is when you walk into your house yeah just say turn on beyond beyond the beltway i do have to say beyond the ball away or do you have to say the fantasy lout hang on just a second. This is the head of this my fan club right here the down turn on beyond the beltway with bruce dumont all you do is you say you walk into your house right describing this right you walk in your the house and say to burst dumont but it only works on sunday night right as i only work at sunday night work during the week when i'm at the pool by the way <hes> we have a caller of life. She's listening to us on the video stream. Go ahead and you're on the air a._m. Oh you didn't like that so i wanna go back to the raid. The the radio and mississippi <hes> six hundred eighty people were picked off the assembly floor and they were rounded up and yet the owners of this food processing plant which is based in park ridge illinois. <hes> cope industries not related to the oh brothers. Nothing happened to them. What's wrong with that story chris. Shouldn't they be if you're going to have a rage and baby taking the odors or the managers out in handcuffs as well. Yes and i think that the justice department is building a case they actually needed testimony from the individuals individuals to help build the case about the company knowingly violating our immigration laws and yeah there there there should be it should be seen ultimately as having been a fair and equal. It's not just not just the workers. It has always always always been a case where the chamber of commerce republicans have sided with a variety of elements in the democratic party and that's why it has been so hard to get true image immigration reform. Why is it the democratic by isn't is basically <hes> businessmen. Now they're businessmen. There are democratic bidders but there's a lot of republican a lot of their well so there are elements inside the democratic party who want to oppose. I mean that including including donald trump who has many but he's not in the democratic party. I'm just saying that's hotel immigrant. We've got we've got the chamber of commerce republicans. The establishment tablet republicans and some people in the democratic party have found it. You know politics makes strange bedfellows sometimes and that's exactly what's happened to i yeah i think popularly demanded immigration reform that we've been hearing about for eight years of barack. Obama immigration is broken yet. Two years with the house and senate didn't do anything now now. It's trump's turn it still broken and i think your cu- as cook not coke the pronunciation. This is not the famous. There's there are so many americans especially trump voters who would benefit if it from developing a better class consciousness in the way in which they look at a variety of issues most especially immigration i if they could get beyond the racial bias which animates many of them they could see that the reason they're paying three four hundred dollars a month in premiums as for inadequate health care isn't because of illegal immigrants the reason that they can't find a job with a living wage isn't because of illegal immigrants and you you teed up that <hes> golf ball nicely for a nice long drive down the middle the mississippi rate in addition to illustrating rating again the lack of empathy the lack of compassion of the trump administration traumatizing those children without good reason it also illustrates straights that the ownership <hes> does not suffer the consequences and the ownership is the actual adversary of the working class but they say and their particular case the ownership down there and management down there. They said that the people that were on that plant plant floor had passed e-verify. Which is this government program. Which basically says that everybody there is legal. That was their defense now i don't. I don't know if there's a heavy but again that was their first p._r. Response but here's my point but i want to go back to the people that are there and this it before you do that. I wanna pick up on the empathy point. Where is the empathy for the american low skilled worker who may well be a minority. <hes> may not be a minority doesn't matter where is the empathy for the american worker denied that job if there are six hundred folks down there who are not supposed to be in the country why is an empathetic for the americans who are supposed to be in the country to say okay these six hundred word violated our laws so they need to go back to where they came from and now six hundred americans can take those positions that to me it is overturning decades and decades of abuse of the people at the lower end of the economic spectrum by the elites and i think the elites at that level are really one party what i called once with john a combine so the democrats and republicans so then you're supportive port of raising the minimum wage i think is the classic unsympathetic response to a vital and vibrant and dynamic labor environment for some folks to say raise. The minimum wage is to misunderstand stand the significance of entry positions for people of all ages. People of all skill set average minimum wage worker right now is twenty nine. I i want to tell you the quickest way to find more ordering kiosks at mcdonald's and illinois center or at l._a._x. A. x. airport is to keep raising minimum wages and there are folks who are here legally to have jobs who are going to be shunted aside so that we can bring in more things to a core story based on the people that you're talking to six under under native people. Have we reached a point where there's a difference between parties between those that think there should be strict enforcement of laws and those that are not now i am. I favor a strict enforcement of laws including immigration laws. I would be the first person to say if you're going to make a raid on a on on an industry. You arrest the bosses. The bosses should and by the way it should not be the cost of business to play pay fines. You should go to prison jay if you're breaking. Environmental laws sent them to prison if they're breaking immigration laws sent them to prison lock them up. Let's see let's see the owners walk. The perp walk not not just the immigrants that are that are in the in the assembly lines. That's my position but i wanna know why. The democrats don't seem to care if people break the wall. That should be the common. Did you break the law or not and if you broke the law whatever the law is you should pay a price for that and the price might be. We're gonna knock on your door and take you back to where you came from because you didn't do it right. I think i wanna get your response. I've given my little career back through. My name is bobby. I'm a veteran and lost my leg to a roadside bomb. My victory was going from a wheelchair to becoming a weightlifting champion. I'm sam. I'm a veteran my victory. It was finding a career. I can be proud of his supporting. 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Tech activation fee fifty dollars plus rate plan required for numbers currently on t. mobile network on metro and past ninety days offer subject to change offer valid for new amazon prime members amazon prime has twelve ninety nine per month restrictions apply see store for details and terms and conditions coddle and i'm gonna let dumber progressive answer this one my little tyrod before the break yeah <hes> somebody breaks the law. The democrats seem to always look look. The other way tried to find some excuse why they shouldn't have to do what everyone else does. Well my position on that is that the employer should be the one who's punished because i remember when you're talking about jobs. The employer has the opportunity to hire american workers. This is trying to make as much money as possible right and so they're hiring workers who are not legally here showed lower wage so so taking this six hundred eighty by half of them are they were not the they were who they thought they were <hes> so you think it's all right to have these raids. Pick people up and and <hes> send them back to where they can. I'm not saying i necessarily think it's all right to have the rates. I don't think it should have happened in the first place. I'm saying the employer really of the arrayed del marie. How do you get them. What are you send out a sting. I mean literally i would. I would not be surprised just if president trump didn't wanna have one of these raids every month or every week between now and election day. I think a lot of people a lot of people bolt. Come back to the basic thing. What is the biggest difference between a republican and a democrat or conservative and i think it is one has a greater respect for law in order than the other. That's the big dipper. I know that's what they would like to say but you could start with great but you could start having the race at all the trump properties. That's where you can start the radius. I would favor that as well and we're willing to have the race at the trump properties to show good faith then. Let's start right. There and let's see where we go from. Go ahead david well. I i would say you're the dichotomy set up not entirely true i mean republicans for law and order order when it comes to corporate malfeasance or since for law and order when it comes to as you stated earlier violations of environmental regulations will not in policy policy seed and yes trump for the nomination of your party then because you're more of a law and order guy than he is. That's not true. I think the trump as years go on order to answer your challenge about the rates and breaking the law. Wouldn't you agree that different violations the law call for different punishment. Yell you wouldn't punish a murderer the same way you would punish someone who committed a misdemeanor no which is illegal entry the of the country. That's a misdemeanor and i would add what what what what what is in your view that i'm sure you're familiar with the case of jill jimmy l. do odd. I'm not sure if i'm pronouncing his name correctly but he is an iraqi national had lived in iraq since he was six months old old. His parents emigrated here. When he was a child he lived in detroit. He was mentally ill and diabetic. Ice caught him in a raid deported him to iraq. He died two months later because he couldn't get insulin for his diabetes was also a christian that's and send out to that that is arguing on the nation is back. Are you don't know i'm not a cruel and counter-note. Hold on what i don't see him. Sheri pick right. I story and turn it into a sob sister story. I am so sick and tired of seeing the video you of the children in mississippi crying because someone came in and took their father to jail because he broke a law that happens on the south and west side how how many times one hundred times a day no. I mean immediately out there to say about. Why are they being treated differently than anybody else. I'm just saying make it simple. If you break the law right you're going to get someone breaks though all as you chris if someone breaks the law because i think david is correct snaky into the country without papers. That's not border correct. What kind of a crowd is it and what should be. What should be the hi hey. I believe it's a misdemeanor. However it frequently ends up being layered on top of other things and folks are become subject to legal process us whatever that legal process ends up being in the given case and i want it so that's my answer to that but i want to say when david bit or when other people the liberal or the progressive persuasion raise questions like that is a conservative i deeply i am deeply profoundly skeptical of any concentration of power in society because we have a small d democratic attic republic so whether it's consumer as or you were mentioning corporatism or administrative process or prosecutorial discretion or the presidency itself or congress and what it can do or choose not to do or slough off onto some age i am skeptical of all concentrations the power liberals progressives especially per se we will progress if we give more authority and more discretion to the government entity. I'm anyway so he just said the government entity put that poor guy mr aldo who'd through the mixmaster he ends up going back to iraq may faced mental issue certainly faced medical issues ends up dying as a result <hes> and this is the government to which our friends here and maria david wanna give more and more and more authority in what you get is fifteen high schools in baltimore with not one kid performing math at grade grade limits were there isn't any person who's experienced in chicago illinois. Oh hey here's a great idea. Let's give more the government i know 'cause. I'm going to go off second third. We live in a democracy. We're for manipulating in the neutral literal sense of the word the instruments of democracy to implement policy that better serves the public interest in common good so i so i i think it's rather intellectually sloppy with all due respect to to conflict the deportation of l. dodd which to know is to be responsible they have to know he would die when they were doing that with in medicare or with pell grants or with social security there are some government programs are run extraordinarily. Well let me tell you there is something out there is a big organism out there in society called government okay and there are other organisms organisms out there in society and i have more faith than the other organisms then i do in government in part because it is by definition a the concentration of how already to compel chris you would agree though that in the case of the mississippi mississippi chicken workers because i think people don't understand that right in this particular case. Just let me just finish if you're going to go at first of all the idea that you have it. <hes> you know on the same day that the president is in el paso the acting d._a.'s as there was no way you can stop. You know it's it's a dumb. One ear is not listening to the other ear. My question does make sense is if you're going to have a raid and you. I think there's six hundred eighty people that you're gonna arrest number one. I said before. Make sure you get the bosses right. Make sure you ever raid on the in the corporate office raised in park park ridge illinois have that ray to the bosses are going out but you have to assume because these are lower income people people they might have their children and worked at the french so what is the plan with an we asked him after we have gone long through a year and a half right there administration having nothing but bad p._r. I won the way they deal with immigrant children. Why is there not sigheh. Take care center ready. We don't have this girl prying butter five going to prison in that video. Okay you know the media will always the democrats say the answer to your question is and this of course is not reported by the media leaks anti trump and wants to get rid of them as much as almost as much as but uh-huh so more answers ice regulate i. Procedures are the very first question they ask an adult is. Do you have a dependent dependent minor at home or in school. Who needs you to be home by a certain time to take care of them know that that is the very very first question. Let's say i say no well. If you say no then you're going down the that way. If you say what happens then you get your. You're going to be i questioned. They're going to be asking you for papers. You're going to end up going through legal process. If you say if you say yes i do have a child at home. Then and the ice regulate the ice procedures are that you go into another channel which is supposed to get you out by noon or solution to this entire problem existed said under the radical administration of dwight eisenhower <hes> and it's a robust guest worker program <hes> the democrats crests don't discuss it the republicans don't discuss it. It was active until the mid sixty s when certain nativist elements combined with and and this will make you happy chris. I'm nothing if not a people pleaser <hes> bring a smile to your face wants tight labor unions to destroy the guest worker program a guest worker program would allow people to work in this country pay taxes on their wages without accruing the benefits of citizenship. It seems like a sensible compromise. No solution is perfect and yet no one even mentions it in either party which is rather suspicious. I the guest worker program in the nineteen fifties was was terrific and sensible and sort of tailored response to the situation. Ah aliens would have to register every every every january exactly you and i both remember those ads but i think other people here in the country so they can more easily apply for citizenship status not in the shadows this the new. We are times because that's right. 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August fifteenth ain't organization itis legacy is having a benefit. They're going to have a screening of the movie. Lincoln is cry. It's very well done documenting not just because i'm in it but it's very well done. Even though i'm wasn't in it it's from six to nine o'clock and it's going to be at the columbia college film row center. That's in chicago august august fifteenth and if people wanna call you maria the number they can call three one two nine four eight nine nine five one okay and how much you're tickets suggested forty dollars worth every penny it is. It's a it's a good cause and it film is about <hes> corruption ninety minutes. They aac bill ninety minutes with corruption about illinois. You don't have to be you. Don't have to be from illinois to like corruption. I mean till like uh-huh illinois. You might like corruption anyway. Let's go to brian. He's listening to in roselle illinois. Go ahead brian's beacon witch bryant you there. Yes i hear you now. I listen to on youtube. <hes> i'm a union electrician and and i follow the democratic party i immigration illegal immigration and i believe they've sold out america's working class <hes> ah been on a service truck i've seen many many many businesses and it's my opinion that businessmen put illegal immigrants in every aspect of their business. That's possible it you know the big beth is they're just out in the field picking vegetables and nobody wants that job but the truth is they're working everywhere and what the trick another thing is. Illegal immigration is a subsidy to the wealthy and the business correct correct and they get their workers for dirt cheap and then all the social costs get pushed on to the taxpayer yeah. I'm a rich guy. I'm getting my yard my landscaping done sheep. I'm i'm out of restaurants downtown meals or cheaper because the kitchen staff all all illegal immigrants <hes> my car's getting washed real cheap because there's illegal immigrants working at the car wash and then the taxpayer pays all the social kosh josh free college right free college and another thing is how many of those children we saw frying after the plant raid are on some uh-huh type of government program. Do we talk about that. Yeah i mean they're the progressive left started attacking walmart and some other big box retailers a few years ago a couple of years ago on the basis of the fact they were not paying a living wage okay and they went on to say when you have families that are supported by walmart wages exclusively. You're probably not going to get out of the poverty level or you're just gonna be a little bit above it and so some folks at i guess the progressive policy institute or one of those places started adding up all of the a government transfer payments federal and they notional is the state dimension and they came up with this enormous price tag so so the shopper at walmart gets the low price walmart gets the low wage but the taxpayers pick pick up the difference. Now you know the it is a truism that not just the democratic party or the republican party but united the united states of america society in general you know human fin itunes whatever you wanna call it we're of two minds and say one thing and we do another and that's the way you know flawed humans are is this something but her regular job i mean is this a new wrinkle. The bernie's <hes> rapa. You're in your view debacle well. He was traditionally pretty hard line immigration up until he became a national figure. He was a local figuring anti abortion and totally nationals. We had the position of the caller <hes> however i would say again that the caller and others are are shooting at the wrong target. The car said he's a union electrician. At one point in the nineteen sixties. Nearly forty percent scent of american workers belong to a labor union labor unions were as important as anything else in constructing the middle class of this country. Now it's down to nine percent private sector after you mentioned walmart. The walton family makes four million dollars in our the amount of x speaking of bernie sanders has the amount of extreme inequality in this country and we see the ramifications of it in healthcare. We see it in educational policy. We see it in poverty relief. That is the real cause of the working class struggle and the working class privation that is so pervasive throughout this culture sure the hiring of illegal immigrants is perhaps a small piece of that but what we're seeing here is making illegal immigrants the scapegoat in the classic ask sense of the word for decades of corporatised policy that have redistributed wealth from the bottom and the middle to it. I just think that that's looking at one thin slice of the puck lava. Okay the buck. Lavar has got many many slices this and one of the things that trump is doing for which he's getting you know of course no credit from anybody except folks who pay attention is i believe executing is accusing would've announced but never got around to and and lord knows obama had other things to do but trump is breaking he he is in the process of trying at least he is trying to break china's iron grip on the american economy and it's tough it's hard <hes> luckily we're at a moment where our economy is expanding and there is not so this is of of all times the best time for him to do it and that is another case where the elites took it out on the working people and that's the kind of that's why the first person who and brutal back me up on this four years ago three or whatever the first person who told me she thought obama was going to trump was gonna win was an african american democrat politician from the south side of the city city of chicago said. Do you know why he's going to win chris. I said no because he will bring jobs to the african american community that is what she said to me and look the low but so that ago job to the african american community i mean this whole notion of art got more african americans working than ever before true. I was not true. Of course it's not true. You can just look at chicago chicago. Is it true it is absolutely i can walk down the street and see african americans not working but i can. I can't see them if they are working. All you have to do the whitening of the loop. All you have to do is look at the whitening of the loop. Black people were working from all the wards downtown. They are not working downtown when romney manual talks about all these corporations rations. He's bringing bringing to the to the city. Those jobs aren't going to anybody. Black brought here the same riccar. Government workers are government workers working the eighth ward don't they don't they these numbers. We need. Ah these numbers former statistical potemkin village. We know what we're talking about. The average job that's been created in the past ten years even going back to the obama. Administration is a low wage job. Fifty percent of americans have under five hundred dollars in savings. A large percent of americans are one mishap away from financial ruin so science should give the government's statistically talked about green new seal. No the point is that statistically we can talk about the unemployment number which started declining well during the obama no that no one can titled tonight that we can. We can recite all of those statistics. I exploited doesn't address the okay so so david charity often ryan. Thanks for your call. You got got through twenty-five. Thank you very much. Here's my question because i wanna talk about democratic politics and again. <hes> you david <hes> which is why when i read read your recent face facebook post you many of your friends your your first pick friends. You believe that the democrats are wasting time trying to convince past trump voters to vote against trump in two thousand and twenty and you think that they're making making a mistake by going through and discussing statistics and whether this is good and bad. It's it means nothing that really the way that you have to beat. Trump is to have increased the turnout of people that hate trump and building a case that this guy is is the vilest guy ever to walk the face of the earth. That's the winning ticket for democrats. Vilify and mobilize well the mobilization by summarize correctly. You're essentially correct. Well say you're concerned about the tone river. If bill will that that with older respected trivializes the brutal history of racism in this country because the the criticism of trump's rhetoric is about the race baiting nature which throughout the history three of this country is responsible for the deaths of thousands of americans vilifying the president of the united states american tradition that goes back to press not george washington but <hes> tom. Toms are we out of time. Can i give you my aunt. Give give me ten seconds. Now is the keys to what we're gonna. Talk about. Karl rove someone. I'm not fond of quoting said in two thousand that the future of american politics about mobilization of the base and he's correct okay percent wins so we're we're gonna talk about when we come back mobilizing the democratic base that first and foremost both the president of the united states factor laker deceptive hi. I'm ryan samba and i wanna tell you about miracle. The musical inspired by the twenty sixteen champion chicago cubs it. 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The sales tax and activation fee fifty plus rate plan required not valid for numbers currently on t. mobile network on metro news ninety days offer subject to change offer valid for amazon prime members amazon prime has a twelve ninety nine per month value restrictions apply see store for details and terms and conditions uh-huh mm-hmm the baggage the total and <hes> through late. I gotta get back to the fossil field museum. They locked the front door the free to people stealing some some of your ideas what else up over there you know now. I want to go back. I wanna go back to the strategy that that that i read it in davidson facebook post and some of your friends is that you really the democrats are wasting their time if they talk too much about <hes> about issues and they're certainly wasting their time if they think they're going to try to get some trump voters back. They have to expand their base and the people that weren't riled up enough for years ago. If they're not wild up now against donald trump they're never going to be around. Yes they're looking can far too persnickety which means having an unhealthy obsession with details. I don't know if i'm watching eligible eligible lecture or a political debate when i tune into c._n._n. Sometimes and they need to stop vetting everyone from he said this in one thousand nine hundred ninety four are and she supported this policy in nineteen ninety one. We need to have a common goal common mission which is returning to the white house and you use the word vilification that's fine but it needs to be an intelligent and thoughtful vilification and not just calling trump a racist because that's not going to convince many americans americans. There's clearly a large percentage of americans who either brush off that accusation or don't take it seriously. The winning candidate is the one who will form a message who demonstrates why donald trump's racism why has incompetence why has narcissism and why his opposition to the democratic tradition small d democratic of the american system american culture presents a clear and present danger sure to the american political system simply calling him a name isn't going to do that that requires leadership and that requires some some maturity and probity and wisdom do you think do you think that joe biden who last week spent some time. I'm on defense. Does he have the ability <hes>. I'm gonna ask you don't rick. Does he have the ability to deliver the type of campaign that david just talked about or is he not going to be able to go for the jugular like many democrats want a candidate to do. We have to becomes a one on one. I i think he definitely will do what he needs to do to try to win <hes> and to draw. Do you think he's strong now. You you been surrounded can't as the most of your life it just between the four of us. Do you think is strong. The joe biden is strong enough to go one on one with donald trump. He's strong one donald donald trump. He gets a one on one joe. Joe biden's bays task right now is beating bob mueller to the adirondack chair on the porch each of their retirement home. I mean these guys are completely past their sale date and the poor guy joe biden is it's not. I don't think he's passes sell sell date. <hes> is out there. You know i i think aggressive and was the was the mistake and it trump actually did when trump insults people. He's actually very good at insulting people and he insulted biden. I'm by saint joe not joe lost his fastball and that you know that that is a very. I think that that wasn't playing with a full. He did say it takes one to know one fears his assessment of biden losing his football is accurate. Here is the point biden looked great when he debated sarah palin by looked great when he debated paul ryan. Everyone expected ryan to destroy him and rebel right people. Even republicans agreed biden and got got the better of him in the debate. That's not the same joe biden. We've hit by this. None of the of the gaps of the gaps made just last week in iowa and there was the gap were there was reverence to poor children and white children. That's another one then there was the reference to <hes> truth and facts act that was number two was the one and then there was the one where he did not he said that he welcomed the parkland shooting victims to meet with him when he was the vice president and he was no longer the by those three and the victim which which one which is the one. That's the worst in your view view parkland. Yeah i think martin the i agree. I mean there was two years after he left the vice presidency so they're the democ all all twenty one or twenty or nineteen or however many there are and i have one personal friend among that group but all of those candidates are failing right now and none of they're all losing the pre primary primary and that's why steve bannon said today look for a big name to jump in and he used the name michelle obama which i don't think he's it's going to happen but he also used the name hillary clinton which i don't think it's going to happen but i think there are other folks allies bloomberg michael bloomberg who might jump in because right now. You don't have anybody of their take on it. It's not gonna be machel according to be messiah because she doesn't like politics i mean she didn't like politics when she was married to barack obama as a politician in chicago or illinois because she said to him if he had not won the senate race that he was never going to run again. 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S E2: Introducing: Flashback

The Thread with OZY

04:54 min | 10 months ago

S E2: Introducing: Flashback

"The law of unintended consequences is a simple that often misunderstood ruler of the universe and as the world becomes more complicated and interconnected the potential for unexpected and profound consequences. Only grows your about to listen to a trailer of my new. Podcast flashback from Ozzy. The creators of the thread flashback is a journey through the hidden connections and ripple effects of history. You'll dive into epic stories from policymaking making too personal lives from the workplace to the environment to the courtroom and together. We'll probe the dynamics of unintended consequences explore the reason. Some of our best laid plans in human history have gone awry. Well you're listening. Go subscribe to flashback. So you're the first to hear it when it premieres on. May Sixth you can subscribe for free. The iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you're listening right now. There's Lincoln episode notes. It will take you there. It's a really fun. Show that we know you'll love enjoy our first teaser for the show right now and look out for more exclusive content for thread fans coming soon information regarding a massive car. Bomb exploded outside of a large federal building in downtown. Oklahoma City shattering that building killing children killing federal twenty-five years ago. Timothy McVeigh killed one hundred sixty eight people including nineteen children with a homemade fertilizer bomb in Oklahoma City McVeigh who received the death penalty in two thousand hundred. One was not alone responsible for the worst domestic terror attack in US history. His Co conspirator Terry Nichols received one hundred and sixty one life sentences for his part but it goes deeper than that much deeper. There's another famous figure from history. Whose fingerprints are all over the Oklahoma City bombing one whose name we usually associate with mass production not mass murderer. Henry Ford in one thousand nine hundred eighty Ford set out to change American Culture Ford with King. Ford was the most wealthy American ever and nobody says no to that person. Nobody and the poisonous ideas Ford spread with started. Ticking time bomb that would blow up seventy five years later. I'm Sean Braswell and welcome to flashback. A new podcast about histories unintended consequences from Ozzy. The creators of the threat that aims to bring the past back to life. Like never before. I'll be your visiting professor taking you on a journey through history. That will change the way you look at the World Today. Stories about disastrous turning points. Dangerous ideas crazy. Coincidences Unsung Heroes. And forgotten villains. This is George Lincoln Rockwell here on behalf of the White Christian majority of Americans. I think if you've had a policeman under every bed in the state of Connecticut they still could not prove anything flashback unveils. The hidden connections enforces underlying history. That your teachers and professors never told you about and without the text books exams or note taking just the most compelling and surprising tales about history human psychology told by those who know the most about them. Opiates sedatives laxatives. Bob Richards Morphine. I mean you name it. He was pumping the fear of foot of this stuff in the first season flashback. We will connect the dots and some of the most incredible unintended consequences. That history has ever unleashed. We'll learn how the YMCA inadvertently helped fund global terrorism winters lot of profits to be had illegally questionable characters. We'll get involved in it. And how a bold effort to address the dust bowl of the great depression created even longer lasting environmental problem. Biological Science has no good way to predict how these things happen. And you'll hear how these unintended outcomes continue to impact our world today. The transmission of ideas is being facilitated at speeds in volumes that previously unthinkable. And what we can do about essentially we just need to be wary of quick fixes and silver bullets. They rarely work out. Like we think they will learn about histories. Unintended consequences on flashback. A new podcast from Ozzie. And I heart radio PODCAST network. Find out how some of the best laid plans can go horribly wrong or unexpectedly magnificent. May Sixth listened to flash back on the IHEARTRADIO APP apple podcasts. Wherever you get your podcasts.

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Part Three: The Apostle of Fascism

Behind the Bastards

57:15 min | 1 year ago

Part Three: The Apostle of Fascism

"And we're back at the ron burgundy podcasts season two baby pressure team what we'd do. I brush my teeth. Whenever when else does on holidays and sometimes i forget i'm not perfect smile of your breath bother you being the smell of rare steak aged whiskey. Excuse no carolina that doesn't bother me. Listen to the ron burgundy podcast on apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever after you find your podcasts words strung out my co host away yeah we are all right now. I'm trying my best. I'm fascinated by it. I just gotta get mortgage caffeine. I'm doing great. Cody's lambing cold brew coffees. Some seats and starbucks have repeatedly we failed to i'm trying to get these during bagels land and stay on top of the soundboard on the ceiling but i can't quite arkham over the it's been a long time. I don't wanna. I don't wanna say how many times katie is going to take a shot. <hes> she's at a good angle didn't want don't tell anybody yeah that's right. Let me take care of it. Though soundboards forest this way if women don't win the presidential presidential election day at least put throwing bagels on top of a sound award where they belong impeccable aim. It really was kind of arc. Let's talk about what a feminist administ- icon. I am for enabling you to do that robert. Let's you and me talk about done on it. Without you guys i believe in you. I want like a rosie the riveter poster that says i couldn't in have done it without you guys. That's another merch boy chapter three the apostle the fascism ooh what a great chapter names not a mediocre ones to kind of a mix to celebrate the good one. You got to celebrate the good ones. If the international fascist movement has a single founding father that man would be george lincoln rockwell george took the ideology and the hateful vicious drive to exterminate dominate that adolf hitler established and he found a way to let them function in post world war two world after the war fascism had lost its ability to attract a mass audience in the united states it was seen as the ideology that had torn the world apart because it was people wouldn't show up to nazi party meetings or pay dues vote is fascists and so- rockwell instead focussed on generating generating media attention with a few men he actually had at his disposal he picketed civil rights marches wielding science covered in racial slurs and trusting the police to defend him in his outnumbered crew. Even if you could only get nine or ten men march with the raging violence assigns inspired encounter protesters would guarantee massive media coverage he spoke at colleges for the same reason knowing that protests the attacks caused by his presence but get him in the papers and ensure a steady stream of donations rockwell positioned himself as a free speech crusader since arguing to the public about his desire for genocide would've been way less appealing. These are all of course tactics than modern fascist usa today. I knew it sounded familiar. Besides the last time we talked about this yeah but the fascist movement has evolved considerably since gio lars days well many of the tools he pioneered are still very effective. His obsession with of nazi imagery in the swastika in particular was doomed for his hopes of building a mass movement he had started to realize this near the end of his career. In one thousand nine hundred sixty came up with a brilliant slogan wight power which he had printed up on t shirts and protest placards. He worked the phrase into his speeches in chicago where he arrived to counter protests martin luther king junior now already talked about this one is wall but dr king was in the city to organize protests advocating for more public housing and traditionally white and thus more affluent parts of the city for the first time in his career rapport was able to strike a nerve with a large large number of white americans by focusing on their fear and resentment of black people on august sixth nineteen sixty six martin luther king junior led a group of marchers threw gage park. He was met by a huge crowd of counter. Protesters organized radicalized by george lincoln rockwell the number more than twenty five hundred the crowd carried placards and banners and blessed with rockwell quotes like joined the white rebellion and we worked hard for what we got thousands of furious voices chanted white power king and his comrades mid marked the most violent and vicious perception dr king ever received it also marked mark the high point of rockwell's career. It was shot dead a year later. His dream of fomenting white revolution did not die with him. It lived on his apostles and chief among them was a man. Dan named william luther pierce always got three names guy. Pearce was born in atlanta georgia on september eleventh nineteen thirty thirty three another nine eleven yeah his father also william. Luther pierce died in a car accident. When he was eight years old his mother had to scramble to support him in his younger brother leonard susskind author of the crucial book blood and politics suspects her background heavily influenced the fascist that pierced would become quote marguerite biological father had run off when she was a child leaving her fatherless until margarita's mother remarried. The new stepfather was a jewish man from new york who had moved south and margarita bitter relationship with him william pierce a story. That's begins with his own absent. Father in his mother's unhappy tied to a jewish stepfather. Marguerite moved about the south with her two young sons in tow from those travails. William piers claim that he learned the virtues of self health discipline and the importance of delaying immediate gratification for a greater goal values. He said that became constant. Themes in his life so pierce worked as a child to help his mom feed their family family. You would later write that his difficult upbringing made him into the man he became. I think this external discipline external control being forced over a long period of time to do things. I didn't want to do but were necessary to do. You helped me to develop self discipline a lot of children. These days never learned that it's amazing. How many adults can't do that. They can't stick it a job. They don't wanna do yeah. That's tale. <hes> you get the feeling from him that he kind of wanted to do the nazism thing yeah which is actually it's interesting for a couple. A couple of reasons which we will get is a yeah young bill was clearly brilliant point. He did well in high school and went to a military academy in bryan texas from nineteen forty nine to fifty one. He earned a job. They're cleaning the chemistry lab stockroom and that job wound up stoking would become a deep love of science. We went to college and then graduate school where he studied to become a physicist assist. You worked at the jet propulsion lab in pasadena for a year in married patricia jones who was also a brilliant mathematician. The couple moved to boulder and pierce finished his doctorate. In physics in nineteen eighteen sixty two his dissertation had something to do with nuclear dipoto and electric quadruple resonance which i do not know what that means. No thank not stuff. No apparently the physics stuff no classic busy stocks like classical neoclassical classical physics pierce get a job as an assistant professor of physics at oregon state university in corvallis always go through oregon yeah. He and his wife had twins and they settled into what seemed like it would be perfectly dole normal happy healthy life pierre slater road until there was thirty years old. I had hardly given a thought to politics to race or social questions that changed after he started working at oregon state university he began showing up at meetings of the john. Birch society diety kissing like no sporadic classic. John birch respond with the john birch society not just that area for. I don't know that keeps coming up in this wasn't intentional but like it's the fascist movement in the u._s. Always always runs through fucking oregon yeah yeah. I don't scatter intuitive for me but there's something there but i don't know what it is yeah. I don't know why it is either but it's it's. It happens enough that it's like. There's some there's some kind of figure out y-you moved there well in the last twenty years. You know there's this idea of trying to what what make a white homeland out there but like that but this is quite so much further to yeah. That's weird just a fancy fatty plays. I guess yes nazis left pine trees but i love pine pine trees to me announcing yes <hes> this is the podcast where we all just radicalized by pine trees swastika. Maybe we're just here to reclaim pine trees. Let's take pine trees from the nazis back string them up on pine trees. Anyone probably shouldn't advocate for violence and this episode episode the podcast but yeah now the john birch society listeners may not have heard of these guys but they're one of the most important organizations mutations in the history of the american right there named after an american advisor in china who the group's founder robert welch considered to be the first american who died fighting communists yeah yeah that's that's who john birch was <hes> robert welsh. The guy who found the organization <hes> in society publications encouraged the u._s. to withdraw from the u._n. Urged the impeachment of chief justice earl warren and accused former president eisenhower being a secret communist. Yeah here's a line from one of their nineteen sixties. These publications the blue book which william pierce would certainly have read now if the danger from the communist conspiracy were all we had to worry about it would be enough but every thinking and informed formed man senses that even as cunning as ruthless and as determined as are the activists whom we call communists with a capital c the conspiracy could never have reached its present extensive nisa gangsters at the head of it could never reach their present power unless there were tremendous weaknesses in the whole body of our civilisation weaknesses to make an advance of such a disease so rapid in its ravages so disastrous weird how communism has been like right on the edge of taking over america for like seventy yeah yeah it's happening. It's going to happen these days. Yeah robert welsh always denied that the john birch society had any anti semitic leaning but many people suspected expected that some of the weaknesses while saw in american society. We're in fact jewish people because john birch society propaganda was often very similar to the third reich own own propaganda. The nazis also felt that communism was brought down on societies by hidden actors who weaken the state enough for a disease to advance upon it. The main difference between the two is that the nazis abc's named the jews explicitly and the john birch society did not and in fact pierces main issue with the birch society became that it wasn't willing to discuss the jews or explicitly licitly racist issues. The berkshires were far right but they didn't want anyone to mistake them for literal nazis pierce later wrote quote. I quickly found out that the two topics which i wanted in an intelligent discussion racing jews were precisely two topics burt. Society members were forbidden to discuss too quick dip. Eh i just wanna talk about jews intelligent conversation about oh jesus william pierce maintained a successful careers physicist while he devoured more and more john birch propaganda nineteen sixty five he left the university and got a job in connecticut working for the pratt and whitney aircraft plant is a senior research associate physicist. He made good money and did well but his coworkers described him as a real loner who worked for lee with others seemed almost unable able to manage subordinates peers his political leanings were kept more or less under wraps until the plant's workers went on strike. This face to face contact with with pierce considered considered communism infuriated him so much that he tried to drive his crowd through picket of thousand union. <hes> mm-hmm excuse me question is everything communism. That's the proper response to come us with dr okay i. I'm just wanted to clarify. Presumably they were protesting in a way that would have benefited him right. These were like his co workers. No i think is a physicist working there. He was at a different level stuff. Yeah we hit them with your fucking car on that seems pretty big through line to yeah yeah hitting regard memes out there that has not changed at all all in the last several decades and all cars <hes> no wrong answer okay. It's not wrong. It's not wrong ban all cars except for mine. <hes> might've might've meinen kabar your car okay. I think i should be doing with the car. Are i think you should be doing with gun <hes> and then i could just make myself king fooling around with a rifle. The one thing i know about robert evans he loves was king's king advocate. I mean if i'm the king yeah see this. Is the problem yeah. That's that's how it happens but but if i if i solve the problem all right back back to the episode chapter chapter when it's not the chapter yeah <hes> so <hes> yeah peers tried to run down a thousand people with his car sure <hes> that did not work and he <hes> he had to move on from his job with kind. Wait say hats breath yeah so since pearson moved out to the east coast <hes> he'd used it as an opportunity to start visiting the american nazi party headquarters in arlington virginia. He met a fellow named george lincoln rockwell william g._l. Are got along quite well. Pierce found national socialism to be a good fit with the beliefs he'd been developing since his move to oregon his the only issue with rockwell in the nazis. Was you know all the nazi stuff. Pierce thought that old fashioned fascist uniforms and swastikas made them look like they were loppers. Rather than serious revolutionaries solution aries use the term lar- accused him of hollywood antics which is essentially the same in may of nineteen sixty six pierce resigned from his factory job and moved his family virginia his wife patricia started teaching university math so she could support her husband in his nazi efforts weirdly enough patricia wasn't a nazi and later divorced her husband for his his beliefs but for a time she seemed willing to like humor hem maybe right yeah. It's hard to hard to pin down. If i didn't know exactly what it was like ozzy your your power level and also you you married the person so you love them. We love to that used to be like is it. Are you slowly turning into announcing. A divorce is just so hard to deal with. <hes> power level always gets me. It does sound like video game or i mean. That's they're all. They're all fantasy bullshit. That's the fantasy. Bullshit is exactly where the story lead hoping but you know where the story is gonna lead right now to answer that one you did when you did win and you know what as celebration for your victory. I'm going to try to throw this bottle of apple juice up onto the ceiling with the throwing bagels good idea great idea overshot overthrowing several feet one thing i like with six bagels tiny bottle traveled to products. We're back at the ron. Burgundy podcast season two baby carolina. Here is a pathological liar okay. So what does her brain like. I normally would disagree with this but i made a pact with ron earlier so yeah. Let's go with wendy. Brush your teeth whenever what else does on holidays and sometimes i forget. I'm not perfect smell of your breath being the smell of rare steak and aged whiskey. We know carolina. That doesn't bother me. You're leading a little bit of the back of your shirt that means it was a good waxing. They got the entire hair follicle. They say i know so ron is. How long has it been bleeding. It's been bleeding all night. Long shouldn't go cheap on waxing to throw my sheets out. This is ron burgundy until next time. Don't use public restrooms. Listen to the ron burgundy podcast on apple podcasts or on the iheartradio radio app or wherever you find your podcasts we're back from. Maybe the best ad pivot in the podcasting game saga salga frame. It is shaking her head. Yes frame it classic. Yes gesture. Put in your old side to side. I wish i had a gold covered bagel. Yes what would you do throw it. I am just checking twenty coast. <hes> out of touch with the working man i am definitely done working and you wanna be king and throw gold around uh-huh different sign. Robert podcast has gone to my head now. I'm i'm. I've i've lost. I've lost my classic robert. Evans working man's touch robert now. You're the bastard. I've always fair and i'm almost out of things to throw a against. We'll we'll find some originalism. Maybe we can throw reporting equipment so if he didn't share your active we're good to do it. That's approval nice pillow so now william luther pierce was kind of a hard guy to get along with <hes> which is probably not super surprising <hes> he's not reported to by other of his kids showing much emotional connection to them <hes> his wife say that he was like also distant the only thing he ever really seemed to love a few simply were his siamese cats. It's awesome so big fan of cats big fan of hitler okay yeah go figure siamese catholic the worst discounts. That's not true. They're fine good yeah. Cats are fine. Cats are good. Cats are good fans of behind the badgers. Yes they would like. This podcast didn't mean it. No we know we know he's itemise. Cats are fine. They're just i was originally picturing. Instead of siamese cats the persian cats when with the pushed in faces. Oh there's terrible. That's what i was picturing beanbag bag chairs. Somebody's got figures. You'd like those cats yeah. That's not now way. You said. We're gonna really offend. Some persian erzen cat owners today. I'm sorry yeah. They shouldn't have made that mistake. You don't sound sorry sounded like being sarcastic when you said that well. I'm sorry that's what you perceived received. Okay but now now what i think we're derailing the sorry interesting so rockwell in pierce embarked on a publishing venture together putting out six issues of a nazi magazine but william refused to actually join the american nazi party until rockwell changed its name from the american nazi party to the national socialist white. The people's party is needed to cover it up a little seeing people are making it worker. Yes yeah yeah when rockwell was gunned down in the parking lot laundry transition. I love that he died that way. Shutdown x. too fucking laundromat rockwell it is the movement he had spent his entire life crafting began to fracture nazis were then now and always catty bitches pitches geel are had kept his party together by sheer force of will and even he hadn't done a very good job of that since he was murdered by one of his own men pure your stuff within n._s. W._p._p. Which retained the most members after rockwell's death for a while he tried to take rockwell's place acting as the functional head of the party writing all of its propaganda even speaking at university campuses. He did not have rockwell's talent for drawing media attention. His only real success was saying that nixon should be quote dragged out of his office and shot which drew some coverage and got the f._b._i. To start looking into him it was also the truest thing he would ever say. It's great legacy abbreviated as n._s. W p p it's not safe for work p._p. That's not a joke. I do have the ps that are safe for work in the ones. That aren't yeah just like p p. <hes> that's funny also funny than <hes> i mean even nazi clocks going to be right once a day which away why did he want nixon too because nixon was soft on the jews which if you'd told nixon he would have said oh i uh-huh uh-huh oh my god as we state this that audio has just leaked out how reagan against saying horrible things about black men richard nixon and the most amazing thing about that is richard nixon's clearly uncomfortable with it on the line to hear him being like don't start wanting to he doesn't bring it up. It's like yeah yeah. You can't call the monkeys jesus christ dan the reaction to that is so god. It's pathetic. Oh i can't imagine anyone would even address it. I mean they're like reagan. Sites and people fuck why. Why do we have to judge on this like well. If you have person who's like been called racist for decades and these racist maybe you should think about what about like while you're defending that guy is whatever it doesn't matter talking to talk about the counting attractive the office yeah and it appears what also issues with reagan for not not saying that kind of killing all the juice yeah yeah so so <hes> now during this period of the nineteen seventies <hes> <hes> pierce became something of a tutor <hes> andy mentor to a fella uh-huh named james mason young james had joined rockwell's american nazi party back in nineteen sixty six when he was fourteen two years later at age sixteen james got in trouble at school he was disciplined oakland by his principal and in retaliation started planning to go on a shooting spree and murder multiple members of the school's administration before carrying out his plan the n._s. W._p._p.'s headquarters. I wound up on the horn with william pierce <hes> or sorry. He called the n._s. W._p._p.'s headquarters. This kid plans to go on a school shooting. He calls the party before he starts shoot. The party was hey i wanna do i wanna do this. Shoot up. This school and william pierce talks him down. <hes> in pearson stead convinces james mason jason to move to virginia and start working for the party and learn how to run a printing machine instead of committing a school shooting who yeah <hes> <music> given what comes later but actually debatably given what comes later from james mason might have been better for the world if you'd shot up his school so you're you're taking this kid and you're radicalizing him. You're out you're channeling his and yeah and his nazism into do away propagandist and yet <hes> and james mason would go on to write a book titled siege which would provide the nuts and bolts <hes> inspiration for the terrorist group atom often and a whole shitload of other school. She acts clean clean. The canadian kids who are currently on the run in the middle of the wilderness see heads as we call them yeah so that's james. Mason starts out wanting to be a school shooter. It gets convinced by william luther pierce. No no no no no. I know what you're good at your schools. You god what if instead you humaid one hundred school she right at right yeah yeah as the nineteen sixties wound to a close william pierce starting to get frustrated with the n._s. w._p._p. W._p._p. Mainly about the fact that it again was just too darn. Nazi ish he believed fascism needed an authentically american character and movement. If it was going to have any chance taking over the country just dressing up as nazis was not going to cover it he quit the party in july of nineteen seventy and published a paper titled prospectus for a national front front which he circulated around neo nazi circles. Here's how it opened america today and more specifically the american people face the most serious and deadly menace which has arisen risen in their entire history. This minute far overshadows that post by any war we have fought in the economic catastrophe through which we have passed or any previous domestic strife which is torn us for today we we are face not just with a threat to our territorial integrity or to our material possessions or to our way of life or even to our own lives but to something far dearer today all that we have ever rabbin and all that we ever might be our race itself is threatened with extinction right on man <hes> yes famously doomed people white americans in seventy two breath a tough decade for white people the dark the dark ages on yeah <hes> yeah under under attack threat i just the whole thing is just under attack on just who cares other people too. Many other people get more rights. Fucking black people were moving on up exactly does threat means moving down exactly it's the only way that it works the only way he went on to complain that none of the existing radical right wing organizations in the u._s. had the ability to turn into a quote large-scale revolutionary movement. Don't quote their long established. An unbroken record of failure is the best evidence of this fact is not an inaccurate statement. Yeah he attacked the movement for being filled with overgrown children and said in essence. We need to stop waiting around for new hitler to rise up and unify all of our different little fringe groups like unite. Ah yeah there it is instead pure suggested america's fascist take a leaf out of communism's book and create a national front a large umbrella organization that it could combine and coordinate all of the different far right groups and allow them to recruit people more easily with the baggage of swastikas and klan robes towards this end. William pierce established the national national alliance in nineteen seventy four. We'll talk more about it throughout the book but obviously the national alliance did not wind up being the trick to create a mass fascist movement in the united states it was objectively more successful than rockwell's american nazi party though drawing in thousands of members over the years and generating millions and income but it proved no more capable of creating a popular revolution revolution than the a and p had been however buried in pierce's prospectus was a very important paragraph that contained realization far more critical than his national alliance could ever become <hes> quote about the only good thing which can be said of all these little groups that they do generate quite a flood of pamphlets leaflets bulletins newsletters and other printed materials which express some excellent sentiment but even here it is largely an incestuous affair in which the propaganda and the sentiment are circulated largely within the same vaguely defined movement in which they were born any any real contact. A rapport with the general population is absent and this lack of contact with the public is not due simply to the problems of distribution or a lack of access to the mass media most host movement literature would fail to evoke sympathetic response from the masses even if it could be placed regularly in their hands it is for the most part to esoteric too introverted in two kooky to strike a responsive chord among the general public to racist too terrible to awful. I hate that you're not right it. It was it was it was the racism wasn't the problem. The racism wasn't the problem though yeah it was it was it was would get with and we'll get release easy. He's he's. He's started to realize that like our propaganda is not cutting it. We need to find a way to make nazi propaganda. That doesn't feel like nazi. Propaganda suit can hit a broader chunk of the to be <hes> to fight harder in the memoirs. Smart and pierce's going to go want to be the guy who strikes the greatest blow in the me more so pierce correctly understood that to really make progress american fascism was going to have to craft propaganda that could affect the hearts and minds of normal white americans it would take years for peers to translate this insight into action but when he did the result would quite literally shake the world. I however came his dalliance with a sprightly gentleman named willis cargo. Now carter was one of the very few individuals in this story whose commitment to fashion precedes the activism of george lincoln rockwell rockwell willis started a monthly paper in nineteen fifty five called revealingly the entitled right the journal forward thinking american nationalism aw yeah yeah little on the nose yeah it was basically just like a bunch of anticommunist anti anti semitic segregation like articles <hes> in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven cardo. I wrote openly about his idea to create something called the liberty lobby which he promised would quote lock doc horns with minority special interest pressure groups in order to support the needs of white people who were suffering in the nineteen fifties carter wrote that quote to the goal of political power. We're all else must be temporarily sacrificed. He spent his life embodying that creed now. Carter was not an out on the street bullhorn placards activist nor was he an armed revolutionary. Mary clutching a rifle and calling for racial holy war instead he sought to bring anticommunist since agregation list's together and craft thoroughly american fascist movement in nineteen sixty two you started to publish a magazine western destiny dedicated inculcating these ideas among the american right he wrote about culture creators aka white people in their eternal battle against culture destroyers aka black people tolerance cargo road can often be a culture retarding coacher distorting weakness. Yeah good stuff right here yeah. It's it's like eighty percents away but real close to being fucking <hes>. What's that fake university diversity. They have now. It's all it's western civilization <hes> fetishism. It's yeah cover up a little bit more. An ancestor of prager sure yeah now western destiny began to attract a dedicated audience of butting extremists including a teenager named david duke. That's possible that willis cardo is the man who red ed pill duke yeah so that's who were with me. Thanks bud throughout the late. Nineteen sixties is william. Pierce was coming up with his idea for national front. Willis carta built the liberty pretty lobby into a moderately large mailing list for the distribution of far-right but not openly fascist propaganda he latched onto the nineteen sixty eight presidential bid of a fellow named george wallace us now wallace was the forty fifth governor of alabama in one of the leading voices against the civil rights movement is most famous line is probably this in the name of the greatest people people who have ever trod the earth i draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny and i say segregation today segregation tomorrow segregation forever throwing the gauntlet at the feta tyranny keep black people and white people in different schools you tyrants. It's the first guy to use <hes> the liberal media firm yeah yeah george wallace groundbreaking breaking. It sounds like a real keeper is to discredit the civil rights movement so it's different from today so different yeah unreal yep <hes> so carta turned the liberty lobby to the cause of getting wallace elected president he was of course unsuccessful goal but the campaign wasn't incredible success for the liberty lobby bobby by its end they'd become home for almost but not quite nazi politics in the united states their newsletter. The liberty letter had one hundred seventy thousand subscribers now in wallace's else's campaign fell apart carta was able to swoop in and acquire a mailing list with the names of an additional two hundred thirty thousand people members of the group youth for wallace willis felt the failure of george wallace to win. The presidency was no good reason to let the movement of young fascist. He's inspired go to waste under carter you wallace molded into the national youth alliance according to the skins blood and politics quote in the subsequent months of the national youth alliance sponsored several regional meetings including january nineteen sixty nine event at conley's motor hotel in monroeville outside pittsburgh pennsylvania. It was here that the youth organization i began to unravel several officers in the group objected to the content and tenor of the meeting and an attendant social social at an supporters home claim that the affair was awash in nazi heraldry including women who wore swastika jewelry and men who sang the horst wessel light and nazi party anthem from the nineteen thirties. He's the host and emcee promoted a new booklet by cartels west coast enterprise noontime press myth of the six million. It argued that the nazi genocide was a figment of the jewish imagination asian. One of the formal presentations was entitled plato the fascist so this breaks apart the movement into chunks. There's the people who've really were it just very far right conservatives but once he starts talking about holocaust now like oh shit i accidentally wound up nazis. I didn't and i don't want to be a nazi right yeah. I just want liberty liberty now good for them good for them for at least being like oh shit. I gotta get outta here yeah yeah it's like you go to the united states and you're like oh wait. It's not that would provoke some real thinking like some soul searching and never happened so it's like you you know so if i was part of political organization and i showed up at a house party thrown to celebrate it and everybody was wearing swastikas. I would really sit down and reconsider. How did i get here. Take a moment you take a moment to moment speaking of taking a moment at oh my goodness <hes> if if we did snickers ads this would really have a good time for one yeah. There's like need a moment. That's a snickers ad like you show up at like a national youth alliance meeting eating and everybody's dressed as a nazi moments snickers. Are you listening this covered bagel distance yourself from from nazi stickers. Jeez brain knickers the distance yourself from nazis. I buy one <hes> bro. You probably know that marie antoinette never said let them eat cake but here's something she did say she was led to the guillotine. Marie-antoinette accidentally stepped on her executioners fight her final words were. I'm sorry i didn't mean to do it. I'm dana schwartz and i'm the host of noble blood a new podcast from iheartradio and aaron mink each episode focuses on a single story from the life of one of history's most fascinating royds for marie antoinette during her final days to the baronet lost at sea might have reappeared as australian farm from the world is full of ill fated love affairs bad decisions and family trauma before monitor the personal determines the fate of nations and when you're wearing a crown mistakes tend to be deadly listening subscribe at apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or or wherever you listen to podcasts. We're back snicker snicker i do. I want a snickers so the national youth alliance quickly alienated the majority of its potential membership mainly because cargo had revealed his power level a little too early every time it gets to you yeah. It's it's never not stupid. Fucking dragon ball z reference that turn into nazism <unk> suit syncretism memed <unk> so cardio's work attracted some new blood however william pearson a sizable herd of national socialists list's they'd started hovering around the liberty lobby like flies on the rotting corpse of george wallace's presidential ambitions. They worked together for a while but it was an acrimonious pairing in the straight up national socialists conflicted with cartels old guard were basically find towing the nazi line but didn't want other people to call them. Nazis cartoon pierce wound up breaking apart and after a complex series carries a bureaucratic battles. I don't care to recount. William pierce wound up in charge of the national youth alliance. He reincorporated in virginia in october of nineteen seventy. This is the group that would go on to become the national alliance. That's where it came from. His george wallace's youth movement becomes the national alliance largest nazi organization in the u._s. Okay who looks really cool. Upsetting how clear the path yet can republicans nazis yeah now cartel accused pierce of stealing the liberties lobbies mailing list which was probably true pierce accused cartel of embezzling fifty five thousand dollars from his moves asian which we saw so probably the credit card to accused pierce's faction who were again literal nazis of being zionists pierce responded by calling carta swarthy beef which was ratio. You're you're not white enough. Oh my gosh nazis the fighting between pearson card. How just underscored how unsuccessful pierce efforts to build a national front had been his plan had been to start by recruiting more students starting in the d._c. Area but this was a miserable failure when he was invited to speak at george washington university in february of nineteen seventy-two pierce couldn't gather more than two dozen students anti-fascist showed up and threw raw exit him and his men which i think is fun just because as we talk a lot about the long standing traditions among fascism and it's neat that a long standing anti-fascists tradition is eggs. Thanks yes no milkshakes. Just semantics just yeah nice that <hes> the f. boy yeah the egg boy who had hit what's his name frazier the <hes> <hes> the preacher ending the australian politician price church staff good egging classic tales oldest time yeah egging fascists egging fascists on february twenty sixth nineteen seventy four william pierce decided to revamp the national youth alliance into a new organization the national alliance you continue to publish the organization's newsletter later attack which included guides how to bomb movie theaters and articles worked best for what you don't like bombing movie theaters katie. I don't like it no i don't. I like it one bit. I thought you were a big movie theater bombing. No no no no no. I you know wrong. I'm moving movie goer <music> so you're putting yourself on an anti bombing movie theater list yeah. That sounds a little extreme to me but okay. We get radicalized yeah. We're all taking the journey towards radicalization. I mean if you're forcing me to take then. Yes i mea i. I'm just saying it's radical to be in favor of bombing theaters but it's equally radical to be against it. I god that no it isn't there evil both sides. He of a of another thing is just as radical as that thing always extreme when you are extreme exactly logic guy equally bad you can just take your radical anti movie theater bombing opinions elsewhere. Will i stay a in the middle and say maybe it's findbaugh movie theater. Sometimes that's you just got reasoned logic <hes>. They say that that's right. Got destroy robert evans breaks. Katie stolen the logic. It's much more pathetic and curse. You got destroy now yeah so the attack included a lot of the fair that nazi newsletters had always focused on but the next year nineteen seventy five william luther pierce introduced introduced his first truly great innovation into the annals of right-wing terror. He started publishing a book in attack. A book titled the turner diaries <music> wondering where they'd come in published in sections across several issues of attack. The book is presented as a series of diary entries from a revolutionary. You might compare perritt to a nazi answer to a handmaid's tale i in fact it was partly probably inspired by i think actually predates that by little but there were other books that was inspired by there's a a long tradition of books in this line that turner diaries present itself la- inspired by yeah. I don't know i haven't read the <hes> the turner diaries were meant to take place in a near future america in which jewish dominated liberal government had taken over and forcibly instituted such harz as multiculturalism in gun control peers presents things nazi point of view so multi-culturalism presented his feral animalistic black people raping white women it will and gun control is portrayed as the forcible confiscation of all privately owned firearms. There are equality police in the book to give you an idea of its tenor. Lewis says idiot idiot losers yeah me equality police. It's just really on the nose. Earl turner is a normal white man. Get swept up in a secret terrorist organization led by a group called the order who organized their insurgency in a series of small cells and carry out vicious terror attacks including the bombing of an f. b. i. headquarters the goal of these taxes to stabilize the american government and provoke a vicious race war you order funds its operations by robbing banks armored cars which allows them to buy weapons and explosives to carry out more attacks and gradually to tip the country into a nightmare. The book launched a number of concepts into the fascist mindset not the least of which is the idea of the day of the rope. Who idea dave the rope yeah. I'm gonna quote now. From the turner. Diaries quote today has been the day of the rope a grim and bloody day unavoidable one tonight from tens of thousands of lampposts power poles and trees throughout this fast metropolitan area at the grizzly forms hang in the lighted areas. There's one sees them everywhere. Even the street signs at intersections have been pressed into service and it practically every street corner. I passed this evening on my way to h q. There was a dangling corpse ford every intersection hanging hanging from a single overpass. Only about a mile from here is a group of thirty each with an identical placard around its neck bearing the printed legend. I betrayed my race two or three of that group had been decked out an academic academic robes before they were strung up in the whole bachelor apparently faculty members from the nearby u._c._l._a. Campus the first thing i saw my moon in the moonlight was the placard with the legend in large block letters. Ida filed my race above the placard lead. The horribly bloated purplish face of a young woman her eyes wide open and bulging her mouth agape. Finally i could make out the thin vertical line of rope disappearing appearing into the branches above apparently open slipped a bit or the branch to which it was tied had sagged into the woman's feet were resting on the pavement giving the uncanny appearance of a corpse standing upright of its own volition. I shuddered and quickly went on my way there many thousands of hanging female corpses like that in the city tonight all wearing identical placards around their necks they are the white women who were married to or living with blacks i with jews or with other non white bales. What a quote. The diaries ever gonna boo <hes> yeah. It's awful the fan <hes> no. I really like joy. That has a zero stars that all those people are hanging. Yes because the rope is a good thing is like i'm like okay sci-fi novel. That's the bad guys no not no no in this. They are the ones to be emulated. Didn't earl turner dies in the book carrying out a suicidal but successful assault on the pentagon but the order is victorious. The book is essentially framed as a historical google document with researchers from earls future commenting on it. They note that after the u._s. was purged of all non white people the same thing was done to the rest of the planet using a series of nuclear and chemical weapons attacks to cleanse cleanse asia. What yup wait a minute yeah. It's a total global genocide of all non whites but of course like a history yeah yeah. It's like written is like oh. I in the perfect white future. We found this the diaries of this revolutionary who helped us establish our utah. Here's how we got here. Here's how we got here. Yeah yeah yeah do. They believe that they're just preemptively writing a historical. I think it was just here's what we want. Here's clarifying air flying somewhere in tier okay so the turner diaries took off like gangbusters among the american far right it was eventually published as a book selling as many as five hundred thousand copies the turner in her diaries yep way too many many did not sell the traditional way in a barnes and noble instead proliferated on the gun show circuit at survivalist conventions and in tiny small town shops owned by racists five hundred thousand copies of course a sizeable success even by mainstream standards <hes>. I found a good article in the atlantic by g._m. Birger who authored a scholarly the paper titled the turner legacy it notes the turner diaries is notable for its lack of ideological persuasion at one point in the novel its protagonist earl turner is given a book to read turner claims the book perfectly explains the reasons for white supremacy and the justification of all the orders actions importantly this magical. Tome's contents are never specified. Although the novels epilogue log broadly hinson and nazi orientation the book never explicitly identifies the order with a specific movement due in part to peers desire to appeal to normal people as well as the novels limited initial circulation among the oh not sees turner assumes its readers are already racist and do not need to be recruited to that mindset the abandonment of why empowers a singular narrative focused on what and how the necessity of immediate violent action and concrete suggestions about how to go about it. This is part of why the book has been so often associated with violence and terrorism now the turner diaries would go on to become the most influential single piece of fascist propaganda since mine comp. It is inspired more than two hundred murders since its inception but it's also inspired hired a hell of a lot more than simple murder. The turner diaries became the ideological underpinning of a vicious american insurgency which eventually led to hundreds and hundreds of armed men around the the country working actively towards the establishment of a white supremacist state a problem that continues to this day now the turner diaries inspired more than that though because it it also inspired a whole new genre of terrible right-wing fiction so d- have you guys heard about a book called unintended consequences i i don't think so it was published in nineteen ninety-six by guy named john ross <hes> and it's best described as the turner diaries but all of the racism is whispered <hes> so so like a little bit more subtle the cover of the copy. I have features a burning copy of the constitution with a black clad carpeting to sexually assault lady justice in frontal very very subtle <hes>. Have you read these books. Some yeah i've read unintended consequences of lying read parts of the turner diaries just not very it's like right not good uncovered to get through but i came across unintended consequences not like i came across it like a gun store. It was an unintended consequence of yeah where it's like all these things just sort of pop up in gun stores and under all this stuff yeah in the main innovation from the turner diaries as an unintended consequences was that switched the focus of the revolutionaries away from race warren gun rights towards just gun rights so that was a factor in the turner diaries unintended intended consequences makes it the center of the whole thing. The plot focuses around a guy named henry bowman who winds up being framed by the a._t._f. For some reason related to their desire to steal the american guns he kills all the agents and then brutally tortures one who captures bowman and a small group of gun rights advocates than carry out a terror campaign brutally murdering gun control troll advocates around the nation until the president repeals all gun control laws. Alex jones has mentioned multiple times on info wars that unintended consequences. One of his favourite books did in more recent years as he ever mentioned the turner diaries. No never okay. That's seems like a little too. He's read 'em though he oh oh it's like i. I wonder if there's ever been like audio or moments where he's like slipped it in yeah <hes>. I believe he's too smart to mentioned that yeah yeah. That's one you can't mention right because then you're definitely not then you know yeah yeah but unintended consequences. It's a little separate announce safer another thing that's separate enough. Have you matt bracken no well. He wrote a book series called enemies foreign and domestic like unintended consequences. This book is basically turner diaries with less racism in it. The liberal government creates a false flag mass shooting to take away everyone's guns f as the bad guy in brave patriots beat them via terrorism now bracken's innovation was to have the cast of his books include numerous non white people. The idea seems to be that if most of the characters are non white in the book look can't be accused of being racist k. on an unrelated note. The second book in the series is domestic enemies the reconquista oh my god i guess as just aware that goes the liberals orchestration invasion of america via using mexicans with the goal of having them banned english the southwest and then secede from the united states these these these are coming out now. Yeah these are these are recent. Bracken is like a special forces veteran and like a right wing activist and stuff. This is all coming out now <hes> g._m. Birger the guy who wrote the turner legacy also wrote an article about these books for the daily beast he identified similarities between bracken's third book in the turner diaries exquisite after an earthquake demolishes memphis black refugees turn into a seething mob gang rapists and candles characterizations that feature memorably in the turner diaries while urban blacks ax loot a path from baltimore to washington dc where they demand and receive a new socialist constitution engineered by a thinly veiled caricature of president obama the narrative disclaimers continue one character condemns white racist killings in the chaos after the quake and a battle weary white racist girl near the end of the book accepts a hand of comfort offered by a black army medic but these another moments of individual digital race grace are hard pressed to counter with vivid lengthy depiction of african americans in masses cannibal rapists directly responsible for destroying america's constitutions so upsetting yup it really it's a great rubric though gotta get pierce credit. I mean works <hes>. It's a tapes bastard. Credit is a piece of shit but a shit who was very effective yeah a lot of very effective pieces of shit yep. It's kind of depressing. In writing the turner diaries william pierce ignited a movement within the far right that is still very much present and relevant today the next chapter will discuss in depth the generation of terrorists who were inspired by his words take horrifying bloody action like christian identity theology the turner diaries have influenced many people who may never have even read the book in his manifesto so the christ church mosque shooter wrote about his hope that his attack would spark renewed calls for gun control in the united states because he believed that this would inevitably spark a new civil war. The power synagogue synagogue shooter repeated the same desire. Both of these desires are based whether it consciously or not on things written out in the they want they just want conflicts to spark the and they think that guns will be central good william luther pierce died in two thousand two but his ideas live and kill to this day the struggle between william pearson willis carta harto would prove to be a microcosm of greater struggle within the fascist right itself on cardo side are the mainstreamers their goal is to gain political power that pushing the overton window no further and further right and convincing more and more of their fellow americans to adopt hardcore fascist politics carta supported political parties and candidates most notably david duke successful run for the louisiana state senate and unsuccessful run for governor was also a backer of pat buchanan cartel. Another mainstreamers believed that the majority of white americans can be converted to their political michael ideals so gaining power is just a matter properly propagandizing to their fellow whites. William pierce on the other hand was a vanguard est. Vanguard us believe that politics is hopeless. The only way for their side to win is to as the turner diaries for small dedicated groups and bring on the collapse of society in order to take control george lincoln rockwell himself mm self is hard to pin down he had elements of both mainstream and vanguard est in his writings and in his activism but his most direct descendants men like william pearson james mason became two of the most influential fluential minds in the vanguard is movement but in the late nineteen seventies new wave of fascists in neo-nazis began to rise popping up around the countryside like mushrooms on a rotting log for more within a decade they would build a potent insurgency armed with missiles machine guns and bombs utterly dedicated to a single dire mission turning the turner diaries into a reality as we're going to talk about in the next chapter. That was a good chapter. I mean they've all been get chapters but that was fascinating better than the poop. Ones yeah yes you. 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A Moderate Republican Wants to Primary Donald Trump in 2020

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A Moderate Republican Wants to Primary Donald Trump in 2020

"WNYC studios is supported by Lincoln learning linked learning has over thirteen thousand courses to help you clinch any career moment. Like finding a job getting promoted or nailing. Your next presentation. Visit Lincoln learning dot com slash career to keep learning in the moments that matter to you. Some one World Trade Center, Manhattan. This is the New Yorker radio out a co production of the New Yorker and WNYC studios. Welcome to the New Yorker radio hour, I'm David Ramnik running in a primary election against a sitting president is generally speaking a futile effort to come up with a plausible primary challenge. You've got to think back pretty far maybe to nineteen eighty when Edward Kennedy challenged president Jimmy Carter for the democratic nomination and even then Kennedy failed, but just about everything in the presidency of Donald Trump has been unprecedented. So we shouldn't be very surprised to see something unusual in the twenty twenty campaign, and it looks like Bill weld is going to run against Donald Trump to become the Republican nominee weld is a lawyer and a former Justice department official, and he served as governor of Massachusetts for much of the nineteen nineties in two thousand sixteen he ran as vice president on the liberty. -tarian party ticket in national politics. These days we don't often see Republicans like Bill weld anymore. He's a New England moderate that is fiscally conservative and socially liberal. But well does not at all moderate in his views on Donald Trump. They say the president has captured the Republican party in Washington as he himself might tweet sad. It's even sadder that Republicans in Washington, many of them exhibit all the symptoms of Stockholm syndrome addenda fine with their captor. The truth is that we've wasted an enormous amount of time by humoring this president indulging him and his narcissism. And his compulsive irrational behaviors I reached Bill weld at his office in Boston last week governor, I don't mean to be flip. But what are you thinking you've decided to run for president in for the Republican party against a sitting president, President Trump, and that presents all kinds of let's just say challenges and body blows to you inevitably. Why are you doing this? Oh, I think it presents a delightful possibilities. No, I've been watching closely for some time. I was even on the ticket in the last election. So I've seen everything that's unfolded since then the truth is we know a lot more about Donald J Trump and his style in public life than we did two years ago. And I just can't sit quietly by anymore and witness what he's doing both internationally and domestically. I think it's a train wreck. Will you say it's a train wreck wooded the Bill of particulars that you plan to present as a candidate in the Republican party. Well, I think that on the international front. The president has totally up ended the correct order of things he's insulting our allies. And you know, his favorite foreign leaders are the ones who are autocrat or despotic. I think his interactions with the Justice department starting with Jim Komi, even Jeff Sessions, don't speak any notion of fidelity to law the sign that's on the Justice department, building it tenth and constitution in Washington. A government of laws and not of men that's pretty deep in our history. And the president seems to have no interest in that that you know, there's just a lot of issues out there. In addition to the bedrock issue of comportment in office. There's you know, there's climate change. There's treaties. I thought it was a blunder not to join the Trans-Pacific Partnership, for example, the president of the United States has to take an oath to take care that the laws are faithfully executed. I don't think the president is complying with that oath within the Republican party. Donald Trump has an approval rating. In the high eighties. So what gives you hope running against a president? Who's despite it all extraordinarily popular with his base. Well, you know, they say six months is an eternity in politics. And of six months is an attorney. I don't know what two years is. You know, I think many people are making a mistake now of assuming that nothing is going to change that no developments in the Justice department will have any impact whatsoever that the economy will change exactly as it is. There will be no blowups internationally. You know, those are not good assumptions part of running against Donald Trump for office and part of being a member of the fourth estate and part of being doing almost anything in opposition to or critical of the president is to be on the receiving end of his attacks. His tweets are you prepared to receive a nickname in much worse from Donald Trump? Yeah. I. I am. And how do you think he'll go at u probably ignoring as long as he can. And and then ridiculing. But look I check my privacy at the door a long time ago decades ago, but this is different isn't it? I mean running against, you know, being in political opposition to say John Carey in Massachusetts is a very different thing than running head to head against Donald Trump. You're not playing by the Marcus of Queensberry rules anymore. I don't know I find it kind of appealing running against the incumbent here in this. There's so much that I wanna do differently. And I find this particular race quite appealing in terms of you know, how much there is to be done. I mean, we're looking at the Jian stables there. Now, are you to mix the metaphor? Jan stables. Is this a kind of suicide mission to in service of the country? No, I mean, I I do think it's in service at the country, but the point is to win the election and. You know, I feel more than prepared to discharge the duties of that office if I had to start Monday, I think I could I think I know how to surround myself with good people. I did it in the US attorney's office the Justice department and as governor I believe in unleashing everybody's energies. That's not the president's way. His way is to try to divide people stir up the pot set groups against each other. And that's the opposite of the duties of a president of the United States governor part of running for president as you well know running for anything is the -bility to raise money considering what the numbers are now how you can raise money sufficient to the task. You know, everybody that we've spoken to about. This race has said ou if you're running as an are I'm in I'll host a party. I'm all in. Can you talk about who? I'm not name names. But either billionaires if decided that you're you're the guy there. Yeah, there there are billionaires who lean lean my way, and I've spoken to some of them. And I'll be speaking to more of them. I could never understand why some politicians Jack Kemp George McGovern they really don't care at all for the fundraising side of the business. I like it. I think it makes you sharpen your message. And if you can't sell yourself what what can you sell? What's happened to your party? Why is it moved so far to the right? And why is it been so abased into Donald Trump? You know, I don't really understand that. I do think that both parties have moved to the edges. It's partly gerrymandering. I it's partly that. They all. Want to be reelected and the way to get reelected is to raise lots of money in the way to raise lots of money is to scare people by saying you have to vote for the party or the deep party because otherwise the deep part of the our party might win. And then we would all be involved in irretrievable ruin and if that sounds like a six situation hit is it's a sick situation. I think some Republicans have comforted themselves by thinking that Donald Trump is an aberration within the within the party. But other people think that he's the logical end result of decades of the party lead, the GOP party lead whipping up the base, whether it was the tea party movement or other aspects of the party, and you've got this very very strong racist strain. That's come to the fore. How do you battle that? How do you kill it? Well, I'm going to publicize it. I'm going to remind everybody that during the two thousand sixteen campaign the Trump campaign. Circulated images of George Lincoln Rockwell, George Lincoln Rockwell was the founder of the American Nazi party and the white supremacists. Who saw those knew exactly who George Lincoln Rockwell was and and they heard the dog whistle loud and clear, it was almost like a clandestine campaign because so much of it was conducted with the words that were uttered publicly just to be clear, you're putting the president of the United States in the same basket as the late head of the American Nazi party. My correct that's stuff. Stop putting them in the same sentence. But you know, I think the president he makes no bones about the fact he says America first, which was Charles Lindbergh's, a fifth column before World War Two. And he says, I'm a nationalist. Well, it is the the party that took over in Nazi Germany in the nineteen thirties. So that's the nationalist Workers Party governor you've broken with the president and really the rest of the party on climate change. What do you see as the best policy to reduce carbon emissions considering the scale at they're on and the sense of emergency that surrounds it? Well, I think we should rejoin the Paris climate accord's for openers and adopt a percentages that are consonant with our responsibility on the issue of climate. There's a divide between the developed nations and lesser developed countries. I think what President Trump would like to do is say, well, we've gotten the. Of the industrial revolution. Now, you have to agree you, and your rain forests not to omit any carbon dioxide, and we don't care if you ever develop because we've got ours again, that's an unattractive point of view. And what do you make of Alexandria Cossio Cortez's proposal for a green new deal? You know, I've got a study that more than more than I have. It sounds pretty expensive. And I think some of what's coming out of the left hand of the Democratic Party is probably more than I could sit still for. But I do think that at bottom Europe has its monuments. And it's cathedrals and we've got our mountains in our values in our rivers in our streams, and we'd better damn well, take care of them. And I've, you know, I when I was US attorney, I brought the suit to clean up Boston Harbor, and it was very expensive, and it took years and years and years, but the harbour is now swim -able and fish -able. Which had sure wasn't when I started. That's the sort of thing we gotta do. Now. Do you think that he'll debate you is there any chance in the world that he gets on a platform with you? He might you know to show he could crush me like. A bug. I think is advisors will say ignore ignore this fellow as long as you can assume ING I get in. And what's the scenario for not being annoyed ignored? It's it's it's winning New Hampshire co showing in New Hampshire that you have some strength there. And then what will if you show strength in New Hampshire, then than the Trump operation campaign operation has to take you seriously, and I'm confident of doing well there, I think that all the New England states could be in play the mid Atlantic states, certainly California, Oregon, Washington, the states in the west the inter mountain west, those are all. Possibly possibly friendly possibly in play. And last would be the rust belt states that elected the president in two thousand sixteen and in several of those there's been a turnaround, and and the other party one one everything in the two thousand eighteen election. So the situation may not be the same on the ground as it was in two thousand sixteen finally governor, maybe the truest thing the president has ever said is that he could walk down Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody get away with it. Why do you think he's managed to hang on? So well, relatively so. Well for so long. Well, he's he's had a great run being ignorance and flying near the sun. That's for sure. But you know, the wax Nicholas's wings melted. And he plunged into the sea. You just don't know how long a charmed life is going to keep on going in politics governor. Well, thank you so much. Thank you. David, OSA pleasure. Bill weld is a former governor of Massachusetts and his running as a Republican for the presidency in two thousand twenty. Over the past two years. I have been spirit as a rat by the president of the United States. The truth is much different. And let me take a brief moment to introduce myself. My name is Michael dean Cohen. Ready? Come ready. Evan osnos. You've been writing about Washington for the New Yorker for years. You were you lived in China covered North Korean written about it? I I have to think that last Wednesday. There was a cosmic collision of your interests and events in the United States. You had the spectacle of Michael Cohen testifying in the house of representatives and in all its lurid detail, and then just hours later the collapse of a summit between the US president and the North Korean leader. What do you make of all this? Well, this is what we call a full day in Washington. I think in a strange way, you have a two events that are eight thousand miles apart. But are connected. They are both in a way about the collision of Donald Trump's ability to. Muscle, a certain reality into existence and to some degree. He was doing that with North Korea as well. He was telling people that ultimately we would get to denuclearization North Korea would give up this nuclear arsenal. Which is intelligence apparatus has told them it will probably never give up and he was hoping that by sheer force of personality, and will by declaring a great friendship and declaring a great relationship that that might actually turn out to be true. And the reality was the North Korea was not willing to do what it was that. He wanted to do and running, of course in the background looming over them. I think more in the foreground for him than the background was the fact that at home American people were getting one of the most extraordinarily lurid, and detailed descriptions of life with Donald Trump that we've ever heard there was almost nothing like the Cullen testimony in the history of Donald Trump's moment in politics. What did Michael? Say that can change the mind of anybody that didn't believe all these things already. In some ways, I think the potential value that he holds in shaping. How Americans think about Donald Trump is that he speaks with the passion of the convert. He is somebody who believed in Donald Trump's he hitched his wagon his soul his everything to Donald Trump. And then watched his life unravel as a result. And in some ways that gives him credibility that Trump's fans his voters would never bestow on somebody who is just peering down on Trump from television studio in Washington and New York and saying that he is not fit to be president. Well, what were the most compelling new leads to come out of the testimony? There was nothing that came out of it that is immediately going to drive this man out of office. There's no question about that. But we now know for instance, that he was more involved personally involved to the degree of writing checks while in office in the Oval Office. He was still. Facilitating the reimbursement of Michael Cohen for hush payments to the adult film star stormy Daniels. This this basically puts to rest any notion that has the president once said he had no idea about any payments. It's just his own signature now betrays that and there's another big fact, this is a relatively new one that I think could end up being consequential is that it appears that when Donald Trump talked about the size of his fortune. It wasn't just for vanity purposes. He may have also been doing this on paper in loan applications, for instance, when he was considering buying the Buffalo Bills, he it appears may have misstated his holdings to such a degree that that could begin to attract investigators into the subject of Bank fraud. So that may be a new angle that he's going to have to contend with. So this doesn't go away this this testimony leads to more testimony more hearings more jeopardy. Absolutely. And more names. I'm afraid we heard about his finance people. We heard about somebody named Mathew. Mary who may in fact, the come more consequential. So this process is at the beginning. We've now entered a new phase in which it turns out is we know it really matters who controls the house of representatives, and those committees are now empowered by Democrats with a much greater sense of determination to try to persuade Americans with the voices of those who know Donald Trump best and worked by his side of what kind of president. He has. Evan Osnos is a staff writer, and you can read them on all things political at New Yorker dot com. Evan thank you so much. My pleasure. Thanks, david. I'm David remedy. That's almost it for today. But before we go I want to introduce you to Rachel Sime. How are you? We're very excited about this. He know my expertise is exactly this. Yes. It's I like talking to Rachel because she writes a column for us about stuff that well, I've got to admit it. I'm a little oblivious to fashion style, consumer culture. So Rachel is going to bring me up to speed on all the trends. Anyway, I'm Rachel. I'm delighted you're here. Thank you. I'm delighted to be here. And you know, usually, we're talking about music and books and things at least have a leg up somewhat. But now you're gonna bring me into a world. I know so little about how fun, and you're gonna have some recommendations than I am champing at the bit to hear about. So all right. What's the first? So there's a mean as fun as that is that's been going around the internet for the last week or two where you. Google riana and your birthday, and it's sort of like a special kind of horoscope where whatever she's wearing on your birthday, the first outfit that comes up sort of says something essential about your personality. Should I do a birthday? Yes. Tober twenty-ninth. I won't tell you. What year? Yeah. So I'm so excited for you to do a close reading of this. But this is riana in an am she's at the amfar gala to celebrate Tom Ford. And she's in Tom Ford. Whatever I say about this is is gonna get me fired. So what am I leave it to you because you can describe it? If you I really wish you so this era a few years back when Tom Ford was doing extremely revealing gowns, and I think what she has on is sort of a white Grecian column. Dress with a slit up the leg sort of a thigh high. What my grandmother would call up to her pick. Yep after and then she's wearing what I think the people in the biz call pasties on the dick Colette area. So. Hello. What this today fashion burlesque all of it together. So and she has sort of this kind of neck collar. That's either none like or dominatrix depending on how you wanna think about it. So I wonder what this says about you. If this is your horoscope. I mean, maybe it's just like risk taking bulletin. I'll go with boldness. Sure. Yeah. But I think the media is really fun because I think it's this idea that. This one person is a kind of cipher through understanding yourself, and she has so much fun with fashion. I mean, the thing about Ron is she's never had a boring outfit in her life mixed up. I wanted to talk a little bit about podcasts that came out last year that was one of my very favorites that the fashion journalist and historian Avery. Triple men hosts called a ob- articles of interest, and it is part of this network. Ninety nine percent invisible. That's kind of a design show where they go deep into the worlds of architecture or an objects and their history, but they hadn't had a fashion show. So she piloted that for them. But my favorite episode in what I wanted to tell you about was the third which was all about the history of pockets and clothing. Man's great. Evolutionary advantage is the creation of tools problem is we're not marsupials we need to carry them. Somehow. And this idea of who has access to the tools, they need who can walk through the world comfortably and securely. This is what we are talking about when we talk about pockets. So she talks to fashion historians, curator's designers, people who are experts in menswear and womenswear going all the way back saying, why did women's pockets become so small because there's become a kind of feminist discussion fashion. That's surrounds pockets. That's does the dress have pockets or not. And if it does it's pro woman, I don't know how you live without them. I mean from kangaroos to cargo shorts and now they've disappeared. Yeah. And it's about what you see what you carry through the world. What you conceal? It's it's there's so much going on with a pocket, and it was funny because when I was watching the Oscars so many people were waiting for women to put their hand in there. Just to show that it had a pocket almost kind of sort of secret signifier that they knew what they were doing like a live. Coleman stress had pockets who had pockets, and look I thought look fantastic. I'm not sure I could carry it off with Spike Lee. I mean, he looked amazing. He had that prince Omar and had the the gold Air Jordan said he had specifically made just for him. And he was so the beret off it was fantastic. And I love the Barbra Streisand were a berets who form that what else can get away with it? So the last thing they want to show you is perfume. So you know, I'm a few obsessive. And I wouldn't send me to be perfume says I recently was the judge for something called art, no faction awards and I had smell two hundred perfumes blind. Just kind of after a while after the few of them tell you when you become a judge. You're only allowed smell five day because they otherwise you'll blow out your sinus. And not give everything it's fair chic. So anyways, I brought you to pretty interesting wants to sell though that are new and then there's this new trend in perfume. That's their similitude trying to smell like things that you would find in the world rather than just flowers, or would it's this idea that you could recreate an actual thing. So I wanted to give you that. We're that. We're like that. I mean, there are there is a pizza perfume David if you so desire to smell like pizza, but the. I know there's there's all kinds of food perfumes them the Gorman category has exploded in recent years. But and this is one of your you're not pulling my look. No, really. Yeah. I mean, there's French fries perfume. There definitely is all of that. And those kind of fall into the novelty category. But in on the more wearable end their perfume, smell like fresh baked bread. Which is a smell that everybody thinks they want to smell like, you know, like Hansel and gretel it's worked out. I think it's a little yeasty. Okay. So, but this one is kind of like that. So. Bottle. Yes. The red bottle. It's a maroon bottle. It's a new perfume from Tom Ford called lost cherry, which was let's do. Let's do it. So. The idea again. Food smells like Brits. Jerry icing or an icy from the Mosey motor or like, she'll smell the rest of the day. I know I'm so sorry that do the best thing that's happened to be in weeks. Isn't it funny though? It means sounds like, okay. I'm with my left wrist. So then okay. He's love with last cherry. And then this is over at bay. This is from Syria. True, Don, which is a company at once only made very very fancy candles that you know, would would burn designers homes in branched into perfume. And this one is called revolution in rish. Brits way rate. It's supposed to smell, whoa. Whoa. Right. Is that? Okay. So the the French revolution is the inspiration, smells, like the French, revolution and the ideas gun powder. And isn't that just what it sounds like? Right. Got cherry on my left wrist. You've gone cherry them on our. Powders your new signature sent oh my God. But can you believe that happened? I mean, it's asphalt. It's the kickback from a rifle. What's in it? I think probably what you're smelling most is aid. Which is like what Kate it's kind of a leathery tar that kind of smells a little bit like that smoky ash that's at the bottom of an ashtray. The smell this now overwhelming this office. Yang never. The full day revelation. Rachel, thank you, so much pleasure. Thank you so much. You can find everything Rachel. Simon is written for us at New Yorker dot com. I'm David remnant. And that's it for today. Thanks for being with us. And if you've enjoyed the show, I just want to remind you you can subscribe to the podcast and catch up on anything you missed see next time. The New Yorker radio hour is a co production of WNYC studios and the New Yorker our theme music was composed and performed by Merrill, Garbis of tune yards with additional music by Lexus. Quota? This episode was produced by Alex Barron. Emily Boutin, AVI. Correo Rieti Corby. Jill Dubov, Karen, Filmon Calia, David Krosno, Caroline, Lester, Louis Mitchell. Sarah, Nixon Stephen Valentino with help from Emily, man. 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Introducing: Flashback

The Thread with OZY

04:54 min | 8 months ago

Introducing: Flashback

"The law of unintended consequences is a simple, but often misunderstood ruler of the universe, and as the world becomes more complicated and interconnected, the potential for unexpected and profound consequences only grows. Your about to listen to a trailer of my new podcast flashback from Ozzy. The creators of the thread flashback is a journey through the hidden connections and ripple effects of history. You'll dive into epic stories from policy personal lives from the workplace to the environment to the courtroom and together we'll probe the dynamics of unintended consequences and explore the reason. Some of our best laid plans in human history have gone awry. You're listening. Go subscribe to flashback, so you're the first to hear it. When it premieres on May sixth, you can subscribe for free. The iheartradio APP apple PODCASTS, or wherever you're listening right now. There's Lincoln episode notes. It will take you there. It's a really fun. Show that we know you'll love. Enjoy our first teaser for the show right now and look out for more exclusive content for thread fans coming soon. Information regarding. A massive car bomb exploded outside of a large federal building in downtown Oklahoma City shattering that building killing children killing federal twenty five years ago, Timothy McVeigh killed one hundred sixty eight people, including nineteen children with a homemade fertilizer bomb in Oklahoma City. McVeigh who received the death penalty in two thousand and one was not alone responsible for the worst domestic terror attack in US history. Conspirator, Terry Nichols received one hundred and sixty one life sentences for his part, but it goes deeper than that much deeper. There's another famous figure from history whose fingerprints are all over the Oklahoma. City bombing one whose name we usually associate with mass production, not mass murderer Henry Ford in one, thousand, nine, hundred eighty. Ford set out to change American Culture Ford with King. Ford was the most wealthy American ever. And nobody says no to that person nobody and the poisonous ideas Ford spread with started a ticking time bomb. That would blow up seventy five years later. I'm Sean Braswell and welcome to flashback a new podcast about histories, unintended consequences from Ozzy, the creators of the threat that aims to bring the past back to life like never before I'll be your visiting professor taking you on a journey through history that will change the way you look at the world today stories about disastrous turning points, dangerous ideas, crazy coincidences, unsung heroes and forgotten villains. This is George Lincoln Rockwell here on behalf of the White Christian majority of Americans I think if you had a policeman under every bed. In the state of Connecticut, they still could not prove anything flashback unveils the hidden connections enforces underlying history that your teachers and professors never told you about. The text books exams are note taking just the most compelling and surprising tales about history human psychology told by those who know the most about opiates, sedatives laxatives Bob Richards. Morphine I mean you name it. He was pumping the fear of foot of this stuff. In the first season flashback we will connect the dots and some of the most incredible unintended consequences. That history has ever unleashed. will learn how the YMCA inadvertently helped fund global terrorism winters. Lot of profits to be had illegally Russian will characters. We'll get involved in it. And how a bold effort to address the dust bowl of the great depression created even longer lasting environmental problem. Biological Science has no good way to predict how these things happen, and you'll hear how these unintended outcomes continue. Continue to impact our world today. The transmission of ideas is being silted at speeds in volumes are previously unthinkable and what we can do about essentially, we just need to be wary of quick fixes and silver bullets. They rarely work out like we think they will learn about history. Unintended consequences on flashback a new podcast from Ozzie and I heart radio podcast network. Find out how some of the best laid plans can go horribly wrong or Unexpectedly magnificent. May sixth listen to flashback on the iheartradio APP. Apple podcasts wherever you get your podcasts.

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Part Four: How To Build An Army

Behind the Bastards

59:36 min | 1 year ago

Part Four: How To Build An Army

"And we're back at the ron burgundy podcasts season two baby pressure team what we'd do. I brush my teeth. Whenever what else does on holidays and sometimes i forget. I'm not perfect smile of your breath bother you being the smell of rare steak aged whiskey. Excuse no carolina that doesn't bother me. Listen to the ron burgundy podcast on apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever after you find your podcast words clear and my throat's i'm robert edmonson. This is once again behind the bastards the the podcast where yada yada bad people talk about whatnot. This is the fourth chapter of my audio book the war on everyone. It's our second day recording. I'm here with cody johnston. Katie stole clo- we are all higher than we were last time but my goodness very much true i i signed on and we were all strung out too tired and now we're a little bit high more than a little bit more than a little bit high but we're not as strong out so so i have a a considerable assortment of throwing things around me doesn't worry me at all. Cody called this hyper normalization because i can no longer longer be satisfied with just just look at this fucking bagels. Does nothing nothing for me. So i have a bag of roughly twenty twenty paper towel rolls. I have to say that right before we started. Recording robert suggested that we all get on helmets and armor and he would practices mm-hmm throwing knives and that's that's a no practice is a strong word. I just want to throw knives one episode and see if i could stick them in the soundproofing on the wall. Yeah i mean i i would argue that. We don't have to be here in front of you for that could be on my sides. Oh yeah yeah. I know you've said that you wanna throw around knives and we're like no. You can say something a little bad f- you can. I have these throw in pringles. You throw some pringles. I have have a box of around twelve little hundred calorie packs of pringles that are all in an open-topped box together. I am excited to throw that if i can kind of wing it my my theory theory 'cause it's kind of rectangle shaped is if i can wing it like a frisbee. I can get it to go straight until it hits the wall and then bursts like scatter bomb over an afghan wedding right angle it properly high enough. You could get it on the same words yeah. That's the dream that's the dream but i think it might be a little bit unreasonable. Bounce ounce out into a sharing pictures of this room so that people can get an idea of what you're talking about. We did this morning. There's danell shared a picture of the of the bagels that are stuck on the top campers. I do have a plan for those bagels and for if you remember two months ago we through the coffee mate top of the poison room so when we start our new podcast which will be named some variant of the worst year ever the worst. You've our lives we haven't we haven't quite settled here bad year for everybody bad add podcast find podcast about a pass back in january we should inaugurate the show by taking the by at that point very very very stale bagels off of the soundproofing and taking very very very bad coffee mate off of the top of the poison room and having ourselves awesome coffee made bagels gross sounds awful. Let's let's do it terrible bagels to start a terrible year. We can at least see what comes out. You know some coffee coffee cream. I mean it was expired the last time we had yeah. How much worse could it get one pump. A portion of a cream <music> curdled several several deaths <hes>. That's the joe biden soviet covering her mouth with that. Her reaction is hard to place. No she proves what other podcasts talk about before they start. We'll coach doesn't like for us to talk about too much. 'cause we always feel like we'll talk for like ten minutes soon at this point we we have we have but lake so we normally talk okay okay. We we say whatever holiday it is happy. Whatever we make a couple of jokes or whatever about and then we get started and what is your book yeah. It is my audio book and there's a version of it with none of this where it's just me reading it so i feel like they've got options yeah. They've got options so fuck. Okay yeah. Fuck fuck them assholes who donated money generously so that i do work <unk> theoretical bastards astor. Dhs that haven't actually complained but i'm imagining well what what are you doing. Sovi read the book to get to it. Okay yeah. We might be hi. It's it's possible chapter four how to build an army fun times everything you're gonna read about in this chapter or listen about hear about in this chapter. I wrote here but i said read. I don't know why maybe because i'm reading is documented history. I feel the need to emphasize that here at the beginning because the history i'm about to discuss is very much under reported. Most of this is probably not stuff. You heard about <hes> certainly not in a textbook and the question of why that is the case is a really good one <hes> because the story that i'm gonna tell in this chapter is the story the bloody vicious and exceptionally deadly insurgency that had a few things broken differently might have plunged the nation into mass violence as it was hundreds and hundreds of people were killed and the killing continues to this day way to read that last line there yeah this story of or be story of this insurgency starts as most stories of insurgencies do with a single guy now. This guy's name was louis beam same guys remember talking about louis beam a little bit in our border episode <hes> is he <hes> one of the he's one of the militiamen yup the head of border me at all those things to say k._k._k. Guy he had a lot to say a lot to say so like me. Louis beam was a texan. He was born in nineteen forty-six in lufkin texas and i had a roommate who was from lufkin once drunkenly punch out light bulbs but that's neither here. They're fun guy. Hi sam was his name to hear some time. It's that's the whole story would get drunk and he would punch lightbulbs seven feet tall so lufkin all right. Can we be mr muffin. He grew up in the america that modern conservative still longingly hearken back to his parents were working class. People and his father served in combat during world world war two that tradition inspired to enlist in the army at age nineteen he had pregnant wife at this point in every reason to avoid conflict but being sought out a baptism by fire and he got it so when beam entered the u._s. Military he was entering an organization that for the very first time was racially integrated vietnam was the first war where like black guys guys in white guys would fight in mixed units and black people were allowed to do all the jobs and yeah now. This did not sit well with him because he was a big supporter of george wallace plus. You might remember from the last share segregation. Whatever fella yeah a lot of common you know idelson heroes people that these people gravitate towards they're all connected in at least two or three ways <hes> part of the trouble putting this together it was figuring out where to stop talking about their connections with matt bracken. The guy who wrote the third series of books inspired the turner diaries also guest alex jones show right. There are a lot of these a and what point is it. Are you saying too much like taking the time time to detract from yeah yeah so louis beam joins the military levin segregation in george wallace and yeah he's frustrated <hes> by the military that he finds himself frustrated at serving alongside black people one point beam in several of his most racist comrades hang confederate flags in their barracks snacked protests test against the civil rights movement. That was the right thing to protest during the vietnam god so that's the guy beam is super psyched about vietnam hates black people being being able to drink from the same water fans yeah so bring the war by kathleen blue provides good context for the nature of racial strife among us soldiers in vietnam during the time beaming listed quote white and black soldiers face combat together. The rear echelon was intensely segregated. One black soldier described saigon s just like mississippi in beams james camp at u._t. In vietnam black and white soldiers frequently exchanged insults slights and blows beam served in the twenty fifth aviation battalion at a moment of escalating racial tensions as the language of black power our circulated between home and battlefront black soldiers created a culture of afros and black berets greeting each other with fist bumps some white soldiers in the twenty fifth purported feeling alienated or threatened because of such actions clansman serving as active duty personnel in vietnam announced plans for cross burnings and spray painted racial epithets on rear echelon buildings by nineteen seventy. The marine corps recorded more than a thousand that was an incidence of racial violence at installations both in vietnam and back home. Wow that's actually. I never heard that before that story yeah i i. I'm not surprised prized but also back in the states. There were murders in lynch's on military bases. Yeah yeah of course that were. I can't stop using the voice of like mild interest not appropriate for this yeah in nineteen sixty four four members of the united clans of america murdered. A black army reserve lieutenant colonel later in the nineteen sixties. The camp pendleton clan chapter reached two hundred members in size and carried out a campaign of shootings firebombings torture and harassment of black marines beam did not join the united clans until bill after he was discharged from service but he served in the military where racial violence was common and we're membership an extremist groups by uniformed servicemembers. Also comment was not a legal yet. You could openly only be a clansman in serving the u._s. Military at this point that changes as a result of some of the things that happened in this story good change positive chairs could good move. Maybe soldiers shouldn't have the right to join organizations that urge the enslavement of huge chunks of the populace that yeah. It's like ten percent. No it's a quarter of soldiers. It's a quarter of active dealing u._s. Soldiers known not our members have met white supremacists at some point during their time surf. That's yeah yep and it's not a quarter of them are right right experienced an it's common though is that common yeah beam was a helicopter door gunner he mandy fifty caliber machine gun on a huey and by his own recollection killed over fifty people <hes> gap so he had he had a hardcore job he saw awesome hardcore combat <hes> he expressed appreciation for quote the joys of killing your enemy but he also struggled with what would later become known as p._t._s._d. Beam and many others at the time time called it post vietnam stress syndrome because again like this is not something people really had vocabulary yeah after coming home from the war. He said this to an undercover a reporter etiquette k. k. event quote after i got home from the war. Things didn't seem like they were before. I went to vietnam. Everything seemed different. The whole climate of the nation had changed before. I went over to fight. Most most of the people seemed behind us soldiers. When i returned it seemed the majority of americans were against us against the war as a whole so he doesn't see that as a good thing kind of sees as it is like a stab in the back surgery. Yeah feels betrayed for yeah yeah. That's never happened to a soldier before who later turned into a fascist revolutionary. Louis beam came home in nineteen sixty eight. Almost immediately joined the k._k._k. He was racist certainly but the primary hatred he developed in vietnam was at a tense discussed with the left and with communism in the early nineteen seventies he was involved in a spate of terrorist crimes machine gun attack on communist party headquarters in houston the bombing of a left wing radio station no-one died in these attacks and he managed to avoid charges for either of them in nineteen seventy six. He switched to a different section of the k._k._k. The knights of the ku klux klan live by a little tyke named david duke duke yeah so do grown up as we stated in the last episode reading willis cartels western destiny paper and flirting with nazism awesome in college dressing in a s is a little bit but not the yeah i mean he he was wearing his uniform as a protest for a guy whose name might have forgotten when he marched up and down schools free speech alley. We also had an s._s. Uniform dukes knights knights of the ku klux klan became the most prominent clan group of the nineteen seventies due in large part to duke's decision to what the organization more closely with outright nazism and help organize clan border patrols to stop doc migrants racial paranoia and fear of communism led to a best surgeon clan ranks throughout the nineteen seventies. What's up cody racial paranoia and yeah yeah. This is never never happened again. Thankfully nineteen seventy five. There were an estimated sixty five hundred clansman nationwide by nineteen seventy nine that number increased ten thousand plus another seventy five thousand klan sympathizers so for a while duke seemed like a pretty good fit for someone who might manage to take on the role of being the next george lincoln rockwell. He was charismatic good at drawing media attention in nineteen seventy eight and seventy nine. He became a constant figure in american talk shows who would have him on because they thought he was funny. Any in one thousand nine seventy five we'll carta covered dukes campaign for the louisiana senate in an issue one of his weekly magazine the national spotlight carta wrote he sees the clan and not as a terrorist organization but as a political movement with ideological leadership now legitimizing and whatnot duke only one about one third of the vote that was still seen rightly as a huge improvement in the political fortunes of the fascist right gallup reported that the number of americans with favorable opinions of the clan nearly doubled from nineteen sixty five nineteen seventy five duke then represented the best hopes of mainstreamers in the late nineteen seventy s beam in a number of other other klansmen would wind up on the side of the van guards. One of these other men was bill wilkinson. A former mid-level leader in dukes clan created his own group the invisible empire in the late nineteen eighteen seventy s bill was noteworthy for his sheer willingness to make violent threats saying in an interview. I'm the only clan member who believes in having guns around. These guns aren't for shooting rabbits therefore wasting people <hes> company wonderful thing to publicly say today he part real loud very very loud. If he were saying that today he would be posting it on facebook and there would be a minion and the background and we wanna those little image messages. Maybe people eh in nineteen seventy nine wilkinson's clan protested a march by the southern christian leadership conference in decatur alabama they showed up with clubs and wound up fighting with both the marchers and the local police gunfire ensued and three people were wounded. No one was killed but that will change november nineteen eighty when wilkinson's clan marched against communist demonstrators demonstrators in greensboro north carolina now. Have you heard of greensboro north carolina yeah. It's a long story that we won't be getting into enough detail l. in this because we just have to so much cover but there's a clash between the communist in-between the clansman and the clansman opened fire killing five of the protesters and these stories of them like specifically targeting black protestors like not shooting white ones. It's it's it's it's murder <hes> they they murder five people now later investigation reveals that police least were complicit in the massacre actively directing officers away from the site of the protest or to ensure that no law enforcement was present when the clan attacked aside from an f._b._i. Agent who was embedded with the clan in attackers but did nothing to stop them from firing into the ground cool. Go f. b. i. Why would why would you do anything in that situation in one of those yeah now. None of the killers in greensboro were found guilty in a subsequent criminal trial or they argued that opening fire into the crowd often on the back of moving vehicles had been justified because of the threat to their lives posed by the communists. Yeah yeah communists your inherently dangerous. There's one thing we know about communists. I love these feelings. All these people are gravitating torn. Yeah yeah yeah. I guess legal facts do care about their feelings. I wish like it'd be cool. If like someone who embodies a lot of as things <hes> became the leader of the country that would probably well. That'd be interesting to watch interesting to why a guy and in yeah now. Let's talk about real history rather than your nonsense fantasizing. Okay just what happened not crazy theories about the future. I was just like what he's like. All right so greensboro was a huge moment for the clan and it was seen as as many within the american fascist movement is nothing less than the first shots fired in a war to take back their country from communist infiltrators. The greensboro clansmen went on to become heroes in the movement giving speaking tours. I acting as living billboards for the cause so that's cool very cool so pretty cool and this brings us back to louis being well. He was not president. Greensboro beam kept extremely busy in the late nineteen seventies in nineteen seventy-nine dang xiaoping the leader of china at the time visited the united states when he arrived in texas beam attempted to spray him with red paint in the lobby of his hotel. He was punched out by a security guard. Later variations of the story would mark it down as an assassination attempt against the chinese statesman but but the reality seems to have been much dumber than that he was just trying to cover him with paint painting red cassini anonymous. That's like cheap attempt zilog dumb. It was the seventies everything was a little more primitive except for indiana jones movies okay. That's fair yeah. Speaking of indiana jones movies. You know else's perfect art. Let oh the products and services marshalls and stuff that represent the show and unlike indiana jones it was not made with the female protagonist being initially envisioned as a fourteen year old shouldn't talk about that right well. That's all right. I hate to interrupt but real quick. I think you'll want to check in with a couple of friends of mine. Alexa good morning good morning and allow me to welcome writer writer actor and comedian chelsea handler alexa. I'm just checking in with your morning. Meditation tried this one. I am a channel for loving peaceful peaceful energy okay. I am a channel for loving peaceful energy interesting. What does that mean. No idea sound nice though it put on a coffee mug that's right checking in with chelsea. Handler and alexa is easier than it's ever been before. If you want to start your morning right it's as easy as talking it. Just try saying alexa good morning. Alexa good morning and alexa and chelsea handler will take care of the rest. Oh one more thing before we go if you one more chelsea handler and who doesn't make sure to check out her podcast life will be the death of me on iheartradio. We're back so if you just opened. An enormous bag of chips made a tremendous amount of noise yeah. It was so loud really really unprofessional so southie excited to see what i throw next speaking of professional. We're back. Oh oh yeah robert lecturing about professionalism. I'm i'm a consummate. Professional hasn't throw anything yet yeah except for those has beco- started throwing bagels and they brought me no joy now because i've just moved past that but not past throwing never moved past pass through so <hes> when we last louis beam he had tried to literally paint <hes> deng xiaoping red and gotten the shit punched out of him by a security guard that that will be the most emotionally satisfying beat of this story. The rest is just frustrated. Okay so right around the same time he was attacking in japan ping with paint. <hes> louis beam began to operate a paramilitary training camp in oklahoma. I call camp. Polar white supremacists would gather there to train in combined arms arms techniques and prepare for it to fight a civil war against communist blacks and jews attendees with military experience. We're encouraged to wear their medals and insignia over there clan fatigues so i found an interesting article from u._p._i. <hes> in november of nineteen eighty that covered this camp and little kerfuffle it ran into legally when it kind of <hes> brought a bunch of boy scouts over quote a ku klux klansmen who says he is prepared to do battle against communists and homosexuals instructs explorer scouts and civil civil air patrol cadets and guerrilla warfare techniques at a paramilitary camp newspaper reports the post which has not been fully chartered by the boy scouts of america is run by robert johnson day of deer park who denies he is a clan member and louis bima pasadena grand dragon of the texas k._k. I'm proud to be a member of the clan said bogert a former marine from the port texas as we said he had been a member for two years there only two groups. I'll do battle with communists and homosexuals. That's the basic reason i joined the clan. Wow yeah wow what a what a man the grand dragon what just a simple paramilitary training camp teaching boy scouts. It's not clean campus. It's just run by the grand dragon of the clan in another random guy unbelievable just again the article notes that the concerns about the camp we're initially sparked when parents have explorer scouts and civil air patrol cadets complain that they're fifteen and nineteen year old sons we're learning guerrilla warfare techniques and racial slurs from leaders camp. Oh oh fair concerns as a parent. I usually think parents are being too sensitive about stuff like this share but not this year yeah soft these days but yeah kids are still too soft but maybe it's bad for the k._k._k. To teach them how to fight a war had eh guy the other guys not with the k._k._k. Jack so. I guess that's fine yeah both sides. That's why all of us kids our pussies because we didn't grow up ben talking like it. You get it yeah. How can you did so. There's anything to edit out. It's that no no no no no cinema verite katie. That's what this is <hes> so <hes> yeah it was the parents complained a civil air patrol major paul renfro who invested gated camp stated to the newspaper quote. There was nothing boy scout about it. There were on maneuvers that were firing unloading using live ammunition and the parents were very upset because they were told nothing about this. These guys misled the scouts outs so camp. Polar was shut down after this is resolved controversy but not forever no yeah now can't pull came together again during a very different time in the u._s. So the fact that a lot of these guys were active duty u._s. Servicemembers was not a problem is also so consequently at time and what's weapon theft and smuggling of military great armaments like rocket launchers civilian militias and terrorist groups was incredibly common also might be tied hi together those two things so in two thousand eighteen as i write this episode. The state of oregon is currently ground zero for a resurgent militia movement you you can trace the start of our most recent band troubles back to the standoff at the bundy compound. Bunkerville nevada was led the occupation of the malheur wildlife refuge in oregon a number of the men who were involved in that are currently helping being state level republican legislators in idaho or when i wrote this they've come back after getting their way because threaten people with violence yeah yeah so even from that brief summary. It should be obvious groups like this work. They don't have the numbers to enforce their will democratically but they do have guns which which they used to threaten people with horrible violence to get what they want their gambling on the fact that nobody else will deploy violence against them because for some weird reason those people would be seen as having started started it yeah so we're all all is angry angry yeah anti-democratic yeah yeah but it's fine for them now. If they were puerto rican would not be okay which is why the puerto rican group that attacked the capital with guns got wiped out and i think executed <hes> <hes> was bad for them but <hes> cool to do it yeah. If you're in the seventies or eighties there was an attack by a puerto rican terrorist group. I should've looked this up before bringing it up but yeah now we'll circle round circle around the they got heavily punished yeah <hes> but but not that's how much this some part and they do so when these people are not confronted and forced to face as consequences for breaking the law they continue to push which is what we've seen with all the guys involved in the bundy standoff suv now continued to push local laws and stuff <hes> in oregon oregon and it's what we saw with louis beam in the early nineteen eighties he and his fellow klansman had not punish for greensboro they hadn't really been punished for camp fuller in so beam started looking for more opportunities for he and his men to enforce their own rule of law in places where they felt the government wouldn't have the guts to stand up to them. Greensboro obviously had been proof positive of how well this would work so being looked south from camp polar and he saw the town see drift texas. He thought it was another place where he and his comrades people to exercise their will enforce the cowardly state to flee before them now see drift was crabbing town with a population of about a thousand people live there had been recently disrupted by the arrival of roughly one hundred vietnamese refugees overnight cedric want from a very homogeneous culture where everybody spoke english to a town where only ninety percent of the people spoke english. It's going to cause some problems for for them. Yeah yeah so that on its own might not have been an issue but the vietnamese families proved to be extremely good at fishing for crabs they work together and large collaborative fish groups and work more efficiently ineffectively than the native crabbers of cedric's. That's going to be a proud to think capitalism capitalism. They'd be rewarded for this. Yeah nope in august nineteen seventy-nine. There is dispute over the distance between two sets of crab crab traps. A fight ensued and a white cracker was shot dead. Two vietnamese crabbers were acquitted for the shooting on self defence grounds so what happened next will sound very familiar. <hes> rumors began to percolate the vietnamese refugees were being funded on sketchy government welfare checks smuggled gold at vietnam before they'd fled several of the men in sea drift gift were vietnam veterans and the scars of war hardened their hatred to their new neighbours which was ironic because the vietnamese refugees who settled in sea drift did so because they'd sided with the americans and worked with the south south vietnamese government and it had to flee the country when the communists took over her sure way more costing communism at them it really ironic fortunate yet communicate well another thing that i didn't know about <hes> yeah yeah. Nobody talks about good name for a crab in town is a good name for it is absolutely it. Oh yeah you could see like the movie starting. I'm imagining what's his name. The guy who you played sheriff brody and jaws who's in seaquest to incredibly naive roy scheider. I'm imagining roy scheider sheriff of this little town yeah okay. I can accept that i wish roy scheider was still alive so they can make a make a sequel to know. Ah what you for this movie yeah not seaquest. We got enough seaquest. He had a cameo movie called sea drift crabbing tone. You know what what we we could have we could have we could have the the the big boat in seaquest comes with that dolphin that spoilers seacrest shows up saves the day that is not what happens so in one thousand nine hundred the first of these new immigrants to see drift or in their american citizenship this provoked a paroxysm of rage three vietnamese boats and one mobile home where firebombed there were beatings one man pulled a gun on vietnamese fishermen walking across the deck and shot him in the leg louis beam and his clan waded into this mess with glee and consummate expertise they started putting out reams of propaganda newsletters magazines calling the vietnamese refugees boat people and accusing adding them of being riddled with tuberculosis and malaria clan propaganda also sought to stoke fears that the new immigrants would sexually assault local white women yeah don't fears the clan even named their activities in sea drift operation him line a reference to the modest decent white women that were supposedly protecting in one interview with reporter clansmen and nc drifts said galveston bay is just like a fine woman if you raper. She's never good anymore. The clan off no comment also. How do you rape obey. Yeah i mean actually charles coke could answer that question about about this bay because he's largely responsible for ruining galveston bay. He's had his way with quote. He's had his way with galveston. Galveston bay and it's no good anymore that old see song do oh you know the way to galveston bay. No it doesn't work. It doesn't work. It doesn't work because we're i'm angry that we got hi. Uh i'm gonna do it through it. Towards the box of pringles wait wait the assistant. I knew that what happened. There was a real problem. It rained the pringles. It rained pringles box exactly what you wanted. They'll win in everywhere so very little digital containers of pringles. They're not like individual pringle ships everywhere that i would ask you know what i love is how satisfying theft on a podcast <hes> they might have to take pictures of it pictures of it. She shake your head now. She's ashamed as she should be anyway. Urging it on january tenth nineteen eighty-one anyone. The vietnamese owns shrimping vessel trudy was lit on fire in it's dock the next night and other vietnamese shrimping boat was burned. Local police reported seeing four white males in klan robes starting the fire. What wait was there was their fifth person. Nope nope <hes> all right. Yes probably the clan. Would it be a basketball team. We're if i wasn't in the clan and texas longhorn yeah so this would prove to be but a prelude in february of nineteen eighty-one the texas k. held a massive clan really and santa fe texas drawing three or four hundred armed paramilitaries as master of ceremonies. Louis beam burned a small rowboat load named the u._s._s. viet cong. He told the gathered clansmen to pay attention to his technique because he was illustrating the proper way to destroy by arson sure this was illegal because reasons didn't he decried the theft of the job security of real americans immigrants and promised that if the vietnamese fishermen and see drifted flea by may fifteenth the k._k._k. Hey would quote take matters into its own hands. In march road clansman started carrying out armed patrols of the galveston bay wielding assault rifles and displaying an effigy effigy of a lynch vietnamese person on the rigging of their boat. Several vietnamese families living on the water fled their homes after close passes by the clans armed patrol their pictures. You can find these patrols and they are quite shocking to behold. We're fucked. Yes crazy. It's i this is revolution. Yeah yeah yeah. It's it's the clay dan taking over law enforcement of town to enforce their laws. It's so terrifying yeah yeah that this just happened. Yeah that's just happened in one of these patrol pictures we seven men and one young woman in a mix of klan robes and military fatigues. They were rifles and stare out with early expressions into the sea. Most of them are overweight and on on an individual basis they looked distinctly observed in their costumes and military gear but there's nothing funny about the broader image of a squadron of armed and uniform racist enforcing their own laws on american soil yeah yeah it's kind of like if you make fun of these people for appearing absurd it allows them to do a lot of dangerous andrew shit without getting taken seriously yeah yeah what if we wanna foam was like the leader him in a military military uniform like he'll do it eventually so silly no yeah and it's going to spawn like a bunch of jokey hashtags. That's the thing that never happened. It's okay. I'll call him trump and that will deal with the problems. That'll that'll show him so can't polar had closed briefly after there controversy with creating boy scouts but it reopened in april of nineteen eighty-one which was just fine for some reason dozens of uniform militiamen began showing up again firing their guns past the homes of several black families who live nearby on their own land. The local sheriff complained that he could do nothing because quote. No one has filed a complaint. They won't file complaints because they fear reprisal or potential reprisal sure that guy qualifies as good guy of this story. Oh my god is the mayor of kema a small neighboring town to see drift where many of the threat vietnamese fishermen lived was less sympathetic. He admitted mitigate the site of clansman in robes was disturbing but declared. I don't have any reason to believe. The vietnamese are not safe. Oh my god the boats what's being written on fire might be might be one. The guy that got shot in the leg frustrating lynched effigy of vietnamese fisher though no this is like cheers is on the air doctor frasier crane had taken to the the screen if i'm not mistaken maybe maybe not eight nine. Hundred eighty. One was at eighty two the citizens holding tiffany. Ah started so that. I can marry well time when she did that yeah because if if frazier crane was around nine thousand nine hundred eighty nine do do so frasier crane should have said something about this yeah at least cold open yeah yeah at least the topic to be about it okay well. We're going to pull the ads now because i can't keep up with a with all these cheers gags so and we're back at the ron. Burgundy podcasts do baby carolina. Here is a pathological the logical okay so what does her brain like. I normally would disagree with this but i made a pact with ron earlier so yeah. Let's go with that one day. Brush your teeth in what when everyone else does on holidays in sometimes i forget. I'm not perfect this smell of your breath bother you. I mean the smell of rare steak and aged whiskey no care that doesn't bother me. You're bleeding a little bit for the back of your shirt that means it was a good waxing. They got the entire hair follicle aleka if you say i know so. How long has it been bleeding. It's been bleeding all night lar- shouldn't go cheap on waxing. I had to throw my sheets sheets out. This is ron burgundy until next time. Don't use public restrooms. Listen to the ron burgundy podcast on apple podcasts or on the i heart radio app or wherever you find your podcasts we're back we are. We're not talking about cheers anymore. I i don't know enough about cheers to joke about it all right. Yes moving on moving on an you know know no them for their cameos on frazier did worse in both yeah turns out. I know a lot about jews characters. <hes> you know what i learned about them and frazier anyway the book the book the relate related to a little bit so help did not come from the local government or for frazier law enforcement enforcement instead it came from the southern poverty law center who helped a group of vietnamese fishermen filed suit against the knights of the ku klux klan beam showed up to court wearing his klan robes carrying a gun unclaimed. I'm only charged with loving this country again. He wore a gun to his own trial and at one point challenged morris dees the lawyer for the s._p. L. c. to a duel to the death guy the except no no we did not eventually however the sunlight of the court case acted acted as a moderate disinfectant or at least the first sign of real resistance finally check the clans escalating use of force during the trial videos played of beam training militiamen. It can't polar in that that segment. He was seen advising his soldiers to conduct themselves in battle. He said quote utterly destroy. Everybody maximum damage maximum violence in the shortest period of time they can do only one the thing di- did not go over well in court finally on december third one thousand nine hundred nine under an avalanche of death threats. The judge issued a court order demanding demanding an end to the client harassment be paramilitary group can't polar and four other far right militia training camps in the area. Were ordered shut down the vietnamese fishermen had one but louis beam mm-hmm was far from defeated nineteen thousand nine thousand nine hundred nineteen eighty-one probably matter now yeah much matter. Yeah probably has other plans now. He did start making another plan. Oh he continued no spoilers it ends with a federal exploding so beam continued right speeches newsletters and articles in various far-right journals of record culminating in his nineteen eighty-three book essays of a clansman in this book he encouraged just fellow fascist vietnam veterans to bring the war on home to the united states while the legal prescriptions against biman as fellow klansman after see drift. We're more effective than the complete exoneration they'd received after greensborough. It effectively did nothing to actually stop clan organizing while the fascist right receded ever so slightly in the first years after reagan's election by nineteen eighty-four america's nazis had realized that the president was i'm not going to be the quasi nationalist leader. They'd hoped he might be no yeah again. What are they gonna do well. Nothing good yeah yeah yeah so the white power movement began to grow again after reagan failed to ban abortion and reinstate segregation <hes>. I'm going to quote again from the book. Bring the war home. Quote scholars in watchdog groups attempted to calculate the numbers of people in the movements varied branches including for instance klansmen and neo nazis who are counted separately estimate that there were about twenty five thousand. I was in hardcore members. In the nineteen eighties and additional hundred fifty to one hundred and seventy five thousand people bought white power literature sent contributions groups or attended rallies or other events signifying a larger although less formal membership and other four hundred and fifty thousand did not themselves participate or purchase materials but did read the literature the john birch society in contrast reach only one hundred thousand members at its nineteen sixty five peak. That's cool. That's a lot of people so we focused mostly on louis beam in the k._k._k. Neo nazis during this chapter but it's important to know that an awful lot of other fascist groups were active organizing and growing during this period militant right wing organizations popped up constantly throughout the one thousand nine hundred ninety one important group was the posse comitatus in brief the posses where a series of militant anti-government cells they were believers of christian identity theology eight and these true israelites also subscribed with conspiratorial interpretation of american history in which all government above the county level was fundamentally illegitimate. Posse believers felt the federal royal reserve in the i._r._s. Were part of a jewish plot to wipe out the white man and they're viewed the county sheriff was the only legitimate power in the land and if he did not act in accordance with the wishes of the county he should be hung by the neck until dead okay flavor but <hes> i follow yeah yeah you see where this is going so as a general rule posse members were big fans fans of hanging modern day sovereign citizens descend from the posse comitatus. You can draw a direct line between them and many modern militia movements including the constitutional sheriffs who supported the bundy clans mal al her occupation in fact when they got stopped and that guy lavar finning and got killed it was because the bundy brothers were driving with some of their friends to go meet a constitutional sheriff of course yeah cool appropriately enough. The first posse comitatus cell was formed in portland oregon back in nineteen sixty nine so weird weird but possibly beliefs did not generate national awareness until nineteen eighty-three when a guy named gordon call got into a series of gunfights authorities call a declared himself a tax protester in nineteen eighteen sixty seven writing the i._r._s. Let them know he would no longer pay taxes to the quote synagogue of satan. He was a big old christian identity fan sure yeah. He was arrested in nineteen. Seventy six got out on parole and went to ground near medina north dakota. A warrant was officially issued for his arrest over parole violations which prompted u._s. marshals to train arrest him while he and his family were driving home from a posse related meeting in february nineteen ninety-three a shootout ensued and colin. His family killed two federal marshals okay. She <hes> mhm gordon went on the run. After that was finally brought down in june after a vicious gunfight left an arkansas sheriff and call himself dead by the time called diet the posse movement had metastasized sized into a series of townships filled with white supremacist christian identity believers who considered the federal government illegitimate were heavily armed fiercely independent in more than willing to kill for their beliefs this this was part of a broader trend on the far right in the nineteen eighties to create autonomous enclaves for their ideology in isolated rural communities. Another such group was the area nations since neo-nazi organisation senator compound in hayden lake idaho on paper. The nations were officially a christian identity. Church led by the self-proclaimed reverend richard butler in the early early nineteen eighties butler's group began to reach out to incarcerated white americans eventually leading to the formation of the aryan brotherhood. A christian identity prison gang remains influential today hey from now. That was a concise little vandana that do you know that area brotherhood were christian identity believers. I didn't either yeah cool. I didn't know that <hes> until i started researching stuff yeah. Another christian identity compound was and still is today alot him city in oklahoma homa by the early nineteen eighties alot him was fully self sufficient community with its own sawmill crops in weapons ranges on four hundred sprawling acres alot hymns operations were funded by a transcontinental continental trucking company and construction business operated from the compound the denizens of below him considered american society to be decadent sinful beyond salvation and they home school their children and stockpiled of weapons in anticipation of societal collapse. <hes> i mean i want to do all of that without the religion. Can we can can can can i just stockpile guns on a compound compound. Mean probably i can dream seems like he can anyway donate to my go fund me by robert a compound. Ah you're talking to yourself guns yeah guns. Maybe a couple of illegally bought rocket launchers chickens <hes> <hes> just to have have police bearcat yeah yeah pig farm embodies sure yeah sure i bet it would be legal for me to do said illegally describing a few things what i did. I did well. I don't really want to come to that place. Oh come on. It'll be fun it. It was fine with these people. It was fine with these people. They got to do it but for how long they're still doing all right man telling a story there were numerous other far-right groups doing similar things around the country in the nineteen eighties most of them fell either into the mold of the low him city urging total separation from society or the area nations attempting to build a white insurgency against the scientist occupied government. These disparate groups were tied together loosely by christian identity beliefs and recruited heavily from the nascent prepping movement that started to crop up in the nineteen eighties and blood and politics leonard susskind notes quote for william pierce survivalist events became an opportunity for nationalist interested in self-preservation rather than the advancement of the white race so they start reaching out to these guys survival stupidity around the time now pierce goal became to infuse white racial consciousness into the survival movement and thus turn it from a disconnected community of armed loners into something you could use to bring about the revolution he desired independently clansman louis beams early nineteen eighty s on a similar goal spreading writing white racial consciousness in a desire for revolution to disaffected white vietnam veterans in nineteen eighty two he wrote america's political leaders bankers church ministers newsmen sports stars and hippies code as baby killers through chicken blood on some of us when we return home. You're damn right man. I've had enough. I want these same traits to face their enemy. Now the american fighting men. They betrayed all all three million of us. The tact that leaving takes beam wrote articles in which he warned of becoming mask gun confiscation he told his readers arm up and hide their weapons and hope that the future might bring headlines like this is louis beams like what would he wrote as his hoped for headlines millions of formerly peaceful useful law-abiding citizens up in arms vigilantes of one and two persons take law and tone hands politician cut in two by shotgun blast is he steps from car federal judge killed by bomb blast asked as he starts car. Judge found dead hands tied behind back throat cut u._s. Senator found hanging from limb of tree on river cool cool in good good in june of two thousand nineteen walter lubke the christian democratic union politician in germany. It was shot dead by a neo nazi terrorist look. He was hated for his support of angola merkel's open-door refugee policy his killer had ties to larger organizations of german nazi radicals which which included members of law enforcement on an unrelated note <hes> several weeks after this members of a neo nazi ring within german law enforcement. We're found with a massive stockpile arms and the list of politicians. They plan to murder this one now now like weeks ago. This was oh yes. This is the one i know about. This is the one that we all heard about so that's cool. So kind of sounds like the headlines beam wrote a yeah okay here about that. When you hear about like this everything everything it's like all these stories and at first you think well that was so long. It's just a crazy thing that happens and you're like this is fucking still happening is the same echo you're talking. I started thinking like oh. Maybe i don't know what's the per student what the percentage of racist cops is now versus lake. Is that the temper for some. I mean it's got to be more than ten percent. Sure i in comparison to later i like. I like to think that like this all happened so long ago and that things are getting better like there's a smaller percentage of people. That are this terrible but it's not true. Obviously is what i'm getting at is like what my thought process has been honestly see this whole episode the roles that they those people gravitate towards yeah anyway. We're still we're interrupting event so like many white nationalist in one thousand nine hundred robert what go on being expressed a growing dissatisfaction with the republican party in american conservatives in general he damped compromise and wrote that his readers should take up the sword adding the sword need not be literal. Although many of us would enjoy righteous righteous satisfaction from actually lopping off heads of the enemy in a sword in the year of our lord nineteen eighty-one can be an m._16. Three sticks of dynamite taped together a twelve gauge a can of gas or whatever suitable to carry out any commission of the lord that has been entrusted to you. This is legal right folks lord in nineteen eighty three louis beam published an essay in the inter-clan newsletter titled leaderless resistance resistance. This is where that term comes from in the essay. He argued that the top down organization of traditional fascist groups like his own clan rockwell's nazi party and its successor william pierce his national channel. Lions were fundamentally vulnerable to infiltration from law enforcement. This was backed up by the well known fact that rockwell's marches it off and been half composed of federal informants. It was also backed up up by the disastrous nineteen eighty-one attempt several american klansman to conquer the island of dominica hear about that one. This is quite a tale. Dominica's is a small island nation near venezuela an assortment of neo nazi commandos including clan leader named don black who'd previously been the driver of george lincoln rockwell's hate bus had gathered enough weaponry that they believe if they can deploy enough force to overthrow the prime minister of that country and install their own government then they could use dominica as a base of operations is a funding engine to support an insurgency in the u._s. Now i should note that a lot of those guys also just wanted to make money by setting up casinos and stuff so yeah it was a mix of people who just wanted money and nazi mercenaries and if the idea right uh-huh yeah yeah intersection out the whole thing fell apart before <hes> any of these guys get set sail f._b._i. Agents agents arrested ten nazi commandos in new orleans on a rented boat filled with guns dynamite bullets and confederate and nazi flags don black great things standing there just cover all your bases don black and several of these other guys spent time in prison and when black got out he went on to found the neo nazi website storm front. Okay thank god he's actually pretty minor part of the miami. You just wasn't a huge part of the dominica things kind of a kind of a guy. There was just one of the guys ah big deal so after dominica fascist thinkers like beam were eager to find a new way to organize that wouldn't just get them caught by the f._b._i. Yeah as he noted in artless resistance an infiltrator can destroy anything which is beneath him in the pyramid of organization in order to counter this beam suggested white supremacists adopt a cell type organizations nations similar to those used by communist insurgencies to quote leonard's askins blood and politics small groups of people work together but we're known to only one another other small groups worked independently in the participants participants of one cell remained unknown to the personnel of another lesson enemy infiltrator could possibly betray oneself but couldn't break up the entire underground while the cell structure wasn't improvement over the traditional pyramid. Your mid beam decided it also had weaknesses. The problem was it required a central command to give directions to all the cells and their new vision evangelism did not support one single leadership being proposed instead a structure of cells like the communists. It's operating independently of the others but without a headquarters sounds like terrorism does now this put beam indirect opposition to william pierce his national alliance and the idealized neo nazi insurgency he'd imagined in the turner diaries the order had included a strong central structure structure directing a series of semi independent cells wielding them as weapons towards the greater goal disrupting society in rendering it ungovernable pure beam in their separate camps were at loggerheads but in nineteen eighty eighty-three a man came along with the vision to synthesize their dueling theories into one violent whole could oh okay robert. Jay mathews was born in in marfa texas on january sixteenth nineteen fifty three. He joined the john birch society at age eleven. Who is that is yeah in nineteen seventy one. He was on his way to list at fort chuka arizona when he heard a radio report on the prosecution 'execution of lieutenant bill kelly the american officer who presided over the murder of hundreds of vietnamese civilians at my ally. Matthews obviously thought the killing of women and children was imminently justified in the fight against communism. Yeah he decided not to join an army. That wouldn't let him kill children with impunity. <hes> we all have to have values values are critical. I will not stand for this. <hes> that's true. I didn't think of that. I was all fired up to go to vietnam until i learned that my arm prosecutes. No thank kill thank you. I've changed my mind about this. Good news is he did still find a war to fight okay. I can see your worry written on your face game destiny. It was his destiny denny matthews i found himself drawn to violent. Extremism is part of the tax protest movement. He formed an anticommunist militia called the sons of liberty and the time protects fraud in the early nineteen nineteen seventies through his involvement with the survivalist movement. Matthews was gradually run into the cause of white nationalism. He moved to yeah what shocking <unk>. I'm moved to medellin falls washington in the mid nineteen seventies and in nineteen eighty. He joined william pierces national alliance. Matthews fell in love with the turner diaries. The vision of possible white revolution provided his earliest on the ground activism involved a series of childish fistfights with anti-fascist protesters during a nazi rally in spokane in spokane public look parking singlehandedly fended off several anti-fascists and earned a place in richard butler's inner circle and matthews was on the area nation compound in idaho in july nineteen eighty the three for the yearly congress white power leaders on that fine summer day three hundred wanna-be aryan revolutionary set down to plan the future of their movement louis beam team and other fascists thinker robert miles dominated the discussion. There are no minutes taken for such meetings since what was being planned at the congress was the violent insurgent overthrow of the u._s. Us government but it is generally accepted that the white supremacist leaders who assembled that day walked away with too broad conclusions about their future number. One was the need to use computer networks to organize isan coordinate. The leaderless resistance being advocated mental health number two was the value of self style organizations and taking the movement forward into the future. The dreams were grand indeed in robert miles sought to establish a series of no less than six hundred cells each one hundred miles apart so the nuclear war they all thought was coming wouldn't wipe them all out. Miles is theories. We're very much focused around the the importance of building the white supremacist movement that could dominate america in the wake of a nuclear exchange with the u._s._s._r. Beam anticipated nuclear war too but he was more interested in building a network of terror self could start carrying out attacks on enemies of the white race at once but in order to do all this beaming his fellow fascists. Were going to need a lot of money computer equipment was not cheap in the nineteen eighteen eighty six and the insurgency they needed to build required weapons to not just civilian weapons but military grade equipment rocket launchers and machine guns bought from metairie supply officers. There's nowhere to fund. This mile suggested robbing armored cars and bit by bit plan began to take hold louis beam. William pearson spent years sketching out theories and passing got propaganda they'd been rewarded by american fascist movement that was hundreds of times larger and more capable than anything george lincoln rockwell had commanded now it was time to take the next step forward and make the fantasies william pierce had written down on the turner diaries a reality the man to do that would be young bob matthews okay so that's the end of this chapter. You guests having a good time. I'm happy everybody island good anguish. We hadn't smoked pot earlier. I wish we hadn't smoked pot earlier but i'm a little less high. That's great. I'm a little less high and i'm really excited for this next chapter. I'm excited to throw these seats as that giant bag of sunflower seeds ever been opened. It hasn't been a great excellent than sophie wonderful. I had a whole case of barrier canned water but we can't can't away and i'm very unhappy <hes> but i am at some point during this recording session steel cans back and throw them you. She wasn't on mike but that was a serious serious. Throw them at something i'm going to do some damage doesn't seem like you're going to. I'm going to believe it. Was that chapter called how to build an army yet. Well there you go there. You go out for you know. Let's see what should i throw next yeah. You can do that twenty twentysomething paper towels yeah she's off before. You should probably run it. Oh god that was a throw did you. You could hurt yourself. That was a big. It's a huge bag roll paper towel size of you katie yup yeah last time i met weighed myself. I was twelve rolls of the paper towels so you're right square footage. Yeah well that too so i precise i'm not finishing sentences well today <hes> gugel our names and the words whereas like some more news even more news and the website or like platform that you're looking for a patriotic twitter google dot com and you can use google dot com to find out if i sell t-shirts might he does. That's on public. Thank you katie what else we don't have a website use twitter. That's a great white nationalist and it still is that yeah. If you go to twitter you'll see greek reads like from this guy at salt thrown through rope more like i pronounce okay okay roberts twitter handle. That tweet was made days ago so if he has for this moment burn. That's a good burn. She's really there yeah. That's fucking podcast chelsea handler teams with alexa brighten up your mornings all week long. 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Part Seven: The Digital Reich

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Part Seven: The Digital Reich

"And we're back at the ron burgundy podcasts season two baby pressure team what we'd do. I brush my teeth. Whenever what else does on holidays and sometimes i forget. I'm not perfect smile of your breath bother you being the smell of rare steak aged whiskey. Excuse no carolina that doesn't bother me. Listen to the ron burgundy podcast on apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever after you find your podcast was making bad decisions my me <hes> <hes> in the interim between the sixth chapter. Sophie stole the case of period that i was going to throw so i had to upgrade to a case of the royal which is roughly twice the size and mass but but before this lacroix which will come at the end of our episode. I have a surprise thing that i'm gonna throw open receipts yeah. Did it go everywhere now. God damn it but now i've got a snack. I was so excited but it was still field pretty tight. Thank you so he signaled that she had hidden the perrier underneath a pillow so now i'm going to throw one of these two but i don't know which yet but i am. I didn't introduce before throwing katie stolen cody johnson. That's right. That's a snack attack snacking a little bit in front of that he's going to be nomin. Sunflower seeds like fox mulder in the first several episodes of the x files but not after that because the decided it was a bad thing i i could change. It's not the best thing to eat on. I guess there's absolutely nothing good to. I eat a microphone no but the worst thing is probably sunflower seats do last time i know i know i can already hear the complaints. Uh-huh coming chapter seven the digital reich yup. That's going in the years. After the oklahoma oklahoma city bombing the white supremacist movement seemed to have spent most of its fury. Nothing like sea drift occurred in the late nineties nazi violence when it happened was mostly focused around racist skinheads in groups. It's like the white aryan resistance or the hammer skin nation in nineteen ninety-six. A group called the area and republican army robbed twenty two banks in the mid west. Several of them had ties to a low him. Mm city were tim mcveigh had also tried to hide out after his attack but these and other eruptions of violence were dealt with in short order by the time the early two thousands rolled along the war on terror kicked off could be forgiven for thinking the white supremacist movement was on its way out everything you love will burn by vegas ten hold chronicles the movement during this period one of the largest actions in these days was eighty man march in toledo by the national socialist movement putting together a march that large was the work of the entire national organization and they were so overwhelmed by counter protesters that they never managed to take to the streets am rebecca cedric lee be met three or four hundred clansman just to show up town in texas do thousand ten the national socialist movement held a gathering in trenton new jersey vegas attended to chronicle the event in the night before the march she was present when a group called anti-racist action assaulted the nazis as they ate dinner in a rented meeting hall the next day the national socialist movement marched quote the entire route of the march was lined with national guard and riot police they'd closed off every access point and no one when was around to watch the nazis trudge along the wet streets while the rain soaked their black uniforms. They arrived at a white square in front of the capitol building. If you modest steps lead up to the entrance and a small podium stood at the top police had cordoned off the entire square and the distance the counter protesters had gathered the police fearing another showdown kept them two blocks away from the nazis just barely within shouting distance. The rally was reduced reduced to a couple dozen neo-nazis screaming obscenities at fifty or so anti-racists down the street. Will the anti-racist screamed right back. The national socialist movement billed itself as direct successors successor to george lincoln rockwell's party in five years. They've gone from being able to make a nationwide gathering of eighty men down to less than thirty but looking at those numbers does not give a full picture. The american fascist movement during this period will the ability of old guard fascist groups like the n._s._m. In the clan to draw numbers had declined the movement was deep in the process of spreading to a new generation through new means in the last chapter. I mentioned jon ronson them. John's book gives us a look at the movement in the late nineteen ninety s from the perspective of individuals like alex exch- jones mr jones. I rose to prominence within the fringe right in the mid late nineteen ninety s and his career illustrates the first stages of what would grow to be known as the outright now on paper. Jones jones was a libertarian or political independent who attacked democrats and republicans with equal vigor seeing both as agents of the w. o. And a globalist elite you would not here attacks on the jews as an ethnic group from jones nor would you see him sporting a swastika but if you dig in just a little bit there have always been connections between alex jones in the fascist right at one point in them. John tries to infiltrate a meeting of the bilderberg group with a writer named big. Jim tucker editor of the spotlight will car toes magazine big. Jim tucker was a friend and and a frequent guest on alex jones is info wars in its early days like jones big. Jim was obsessed with the bilderberg group. He viewed it. As part of the jewish conspiracy to dominate the globe jones possessing possess the same beliefs minus the j. word that nineteen ninety nine gathering at the ruins of the branch davidian compound near waco that talked about in the last chapter when jon ronson showed it up with randy weaver will that gathering was volunteer effort to rebuild the branch davidian church organized by twenty five year old alex jones. He told the oklahoman quote we've had schoolteachers and black single mothers auto mechanics doctors even a jewish rabbi out here one day helping us share. We've had folks in their cammo in their cammo hats in the with that the militias helping us to one of the men who gathered in mount carmel that day to help alex jones was colonel bo gritz grits was a legendary figure in the patriot movement a decorated it'd veteran the supposed inspiration behind the character john rambo in a hardcore believer in christian identity theology in nineteen ninety eight right before the mount carmel meeting he sent out this in an online online bulletin to his followers d. c. the sign the sent the stain and mark of the beast on america today are you willing to submit and join the seed line of satan look to those who are openly anti christ nice to win. The world is promoting abortion pornography. Pedophilia godless laws adultery new age international banking entertainment industry and world publishing. Wherever you find line perversion of god's laws you will find the worshipers of bow their route still in babylonian mysticism so that's now new age international banking the entertainment industry during world publishing is a bit cooler than just shouting jews but bo gritz was more direct in a bulletin he sent out a year later during the two thousand election jews feminists liberal orla activists may install gore over an apathetic moral majority. If so runaway abortion anti christ god and globalism are certain the first message was too subtle yeah now think about those messages as i read this quote that alex jones is related in jon ronson book them which was said during that mount carmel meeting the builder burgers said alex the roman senate. It's a pyramid their way up there below then they've got the i._m._f. The world bank the united nations and then you've got us down here the cattle the human resources in randy weaver is way out over there see he left. They hate that so they scared the cattle back in the pin. See burn them out. I'm living in a place where black helicopters one hundred and fifty miles south of me burning buildings terrorizing the people and i'm the extremist who says you're an extremist. I asked matz ron. Speaking the anti-defamation league healed the eller a bucket of black paint and a brush. They're worse than the klan. They get massive funding from the globalist. It doesn't matter if your girlfriend's jewish little sisters korean anybody who wants to live free is a racist a._d. L. is the scum of the earth. Okay jones jones one thousand nine hundred nine yeah yeah now. He did a good job yeah what he's trying to do. Yeah really succeeded so these are more or less. The same beliefs beliefs that alex jones has been years broadcasting millions of listeners around america in the late nineties and early two thousand viewed independently jones looks like a harmless conspiracy theorist but place next the bo gritz we can see him for what he is a way to ease people into christian identity style beliefs that lead inevitably to extermination analyst antisemitic beliefs higher higher percent <hes> seventeen years later i published a study with the investigative journalism collective belling cat on how seventy-five fascist activists were initially red billed to the cause may a research was based on leaked internal conversations where neo-nazis clansman another extremist discuss their ideological evolution six of them credited alex jones with their red pulling the even had a name for it taking the conspiracy pill. There was an explicit understand. Good yeah that soon wacky. I love that that's a brag. We call it taking spiracy. Pill wild the things these people will brag about. Yes one user wrote. I don't give a fuck if you think it being the secret rulers of the world are aliens or not as long as those aliens jewish at the end of the day ed yeah pretty ridiculous obviously for those of us who grew up online in the early on the last five years or so have i've been a continuous dispiriting process of watching outright fascist beliefs bubble up on places like read it in four chan. It seems at times if the nazis literally eaten the internet we all knew and loved his kids this. This did not happen by accident. Alex jones just one prong of a concerted digital power grab that began before most of us knew the internet existed in nineteen eighty-four louis beam used money he'd received from robert. Matthews is order to create liberty net yeah an international network of code word access message boards the goal of liberty net was to link the white power power movement together it was used to spread recruitment materials and it's establishment allowed the movement to switch tactics quickly as we've seen after estes park it also included personnel ads and pen pal programs programs which can be as innocuous as connecting races for social purposes was also useful in planning crimes. The internet allowed beam send racist propaganda into places where it was illegal like canada antidote and germany after sitting liberty being wrote. Finally we're all going to be linked together at one point in time imagine if you will all the great minds of the patriotic christian movement linked together and join the one computer imagine any patriot and the country being able to call up an access these minds you are online with the area nations braintrust. It is here to serve the folk. It has been said that knowledge is power which it most assuredly is the computer offers to those who become proficient in its use power undreamed of by the rulers of the past nineteen eighty-four yup beginning of the dr moore's go back further than most people would as crazy meeting starts to wars yeah yeah computers were not cheap in the nineteen eighties beams work required the modern equivalent of tens of thousands of dollars in seed money. A single apple computer cost two thousand dollars at the time without without the order. None of this would have been possible while law enforcement was diligent about trying to track down all the rocket launchers and machine guns and explosives bought with the orders ill-gotten games. They barely seem to notice the computer equipment that lou bought yeah weird about that lasted underestimation after all. Why would the nineteen news f._b._i. Care of some apple twos who's wound up gifted the nazis around the country. How could that cause a problem. I don't know i don't ninety five slightly over a decade later. Nazi efforts online had crystallized allies into a cohesive and effective digital reich fascists were some of the first people to effectively harness the power of the internet in an organized way the book nation and race edited by jeffrey kaplan glennon torbjorn includes a chapter that delve into the state of the online white power movement at this time the site walter benjamin scholar who wrote an essay about how new technology like photography fee was harnessed by nazism mass movements are usually discerned more clearly by camera by the naked eye a bird's eye view best captures gatherings of hundreds of thousands and even though such of you you may be accessible to humanize it is to the camera the image received by the i cannot be enlarge the way a negative is enlarged while photographs and film best captured the character of the original nazi movement. It's modern descendant is best captured online and countless conversations and debates across message boards image boards youtube comments sections and the like in the wake wake of the oklahoma city bombing and in response to the effectiveness with which anti-racist street movements like skinheads against racial prejudice shutdown fascist street gatherings. The internet became increasingly central to the development of american fascism. It's not central to the development of american fascism i dunno. It's the products and services that support the show so if he's that a good ad segue sophie saying i did well yeah. I like to get excited about this kevin alek roy. I'm gonna throw nervous. Good will increasingly nervous the right way to feel when and we're back at the ron burgundy podcast season two baby carolina here is a pathological liar okay. So what does her brain like. I normally would disagree with this but i made a pact with ron earlier so yeah. Let's go with it wendy brush not whenever else does on holidays and sometimes i forget. I'm not perfect of your breath. Bother you mean the smell of rare our stake and aged whiskey no carolina that doesn't bother me. You're bleeding a little bit for the back of your shirt at means. It was a good waxing. They got the entire tire hair follicle. He say i know so ron is how long has been bleeding. It's been bleeding all night. Law shouldn't go cheap. Acces ed to throw my sheets out. This is ron burgundy until next time. Don't use public restrooms. Listen to the ron burgundy podcast on apple podcast. Ask or on the iheartradio app or wherever you find your podcasts we're back. We're back. We're back. We're are back in the early. Nineteen nineties milton john climbed junior was a twenty five year olds studying at saint cloud university his school provided him with the free use net account and one of his professors rather accidentally gave him the listing where he came upon all dot skinheads and the nazi newsgroup milton was one of the first young men to become radicalized fascism through the internet climb climb grew obsessed spending hours a day writing thousands of newsgroup posts in emails. He become a coordinator for several digitally inclined fascists climb graduated in nineteen ninety five five and shortly thereafter had his first face-to-face encounter with a member of the movement lynn young william pierces secretary she gave climate check for five hundred dollars which he used to buy computer to continue his work now that he was no longer at the university climb never again met another nazi in person but he continued his activities and later that year wrote an essay on digital strategy that he posted to the crusader library's website in it he wrote that the internet quote offers enormous opportunity for the resistance to disseminate our message to the unaware and the ignorant is the only relatively uncensored free four mass medium which we have available the state cannot yet stop us from advertising ideas and organizations now now is the time to grasp the weapon which is the net and wielded skillfully and wisely while you may still do so freely use right never stopped posting never stopped hosting perfect forum for you're lone wolfs yeah yeah loan wounds in the mid nineteen ninety s using it an early predecessor to modern forum culture was most online discussions occurred occurred the most critical nazi destinations head names like all dot nationalism dot white also got revolution dot counter dot skinhead and as a prelude to eight chance po board alz alz dot politics very much in line with the ideas that beim had laid out a decade earlier but climb wanted to see his fellow fascist move on from there digital safe spaces cases in become what he called cyber guerrillas quote. He decided they should quote take up positions on mainstream groups except on our groups avoid the race issue sidestep it as much which is possible. We don't have time to defend our stance on this issue against the comments of hundreds of fools liars and degenerate who spouting the jewish line will slaughter our message with half troops slander and the ever. I used sophistry. That'll hide that power level nineteen ninety-five clemes writings particularly fascinating to me for the similarity between it the things have encountered in my own exploration of modern online nazi haven eight chan near the end of his essay climb writes all of my comrades and none of whom have ever met face to face share unique camaraderie artery feeling as though we have been friends for a long time selfless cooperation occurs regularly amongst my comrades for a variety of endeavors. This feeling of comradeship is irrespective of national identity or state eight borders yeah now. They love the word comrade you do they do everybody loves liberty. It's a good word now. What clam expressed there is not so different from what paul way synagogue shooter john ernest related in the post. He made announcing the start of his rampage. It's been real dudes from the bottom of my heart. Thank you for everything. Everything keep up the info graphic red pill threats. I've only been lurking for a year and a half. What i've learned here is priceless. It's been an honor always. Keep posting always until we start shooting yeah yeah yeah so climbs last line about feeling comradeship across national barriers would prove to be an eerie premonition of the future of the international channel fascist movement because during the late nineteen ninety s and early two thousands the american fascist movement went international in a way it never had been before even back in the thirties and forties italian german and in spanish fascism world very different beasts one side effect of propaganda that started emanating out of the u._s. As a result of beams liberty net was that all the world's sundry fascists started getting on on the same page. I found a two thousand to study by less black published in the journal of ethnic and racial studies less interviewed an irish fascist with the internet handle white wolf quote vote during the height of his involvement in the movement. He was spending five hours a day online. He lives in an irish town with her. Virtually no visible minorities was drawn to the white power movement through fascination with nazism he concluded mostly americans are on the net but there are british irish and lots of others from different countries. The net breaks down the distance. A person was living in two thousand acre farm in australia and nobody to talk what about his views suddenly understand that he can link people who would never have met and talk with them plan with learning teach one other things help each other our ozzy friend who may be well removed from the rest of his comrades breads can nevertheless play a part in forwarding the agenda of a group racists love the internet yeah yeah they do people love the internet people do love the internet yeah well. It's like i mean it's no matter who you are. You can find your group online and then you have people actively trying to sing. Thanks internet but not saying the the dark thing and use it to do what they do for you when you when you talk about like isis recruitment and stuff it's i've been thinking that this entire hire book about say terrorist but yeah it's like isis recruitment yeah. It's basically going after the same pool of people seventeen years later. A young man who might very well have been the ozzy friend that white wolf was talking about brinton tarrant drove him to a mosque in christchurch new zealand. Linden gunned down more than fifty people like white wolf brenton was a loner spending hours a day online building a sense of rapport with his father from digital comrades and fascism before finally deciding take action now the thing that really shocked me when i started digging into this research was how damned groundbreaking the fascist were and their understanding of what online culture would become and how to manipulate it. I'm going to quote from that book that i quoted from earlier nation and race quote. This arena has spawned its own language combines previous forms of right wing organizing with new political critical strategies c. n. G. various wrily referred to as the cyber nationalist group cyber nazi group or computer nationalist group is the brainchild of activists jeff voss in his article entitled the c._n._g. An idea for online organization a complete division of labor is outlined that assigns operatives particular roles within an overall strategy voss makes a distinction between idea men and and minute action the former provide background information for the ladder to post within usenet. This manifesto outlines four different types of foreground operative d._s._s. a subtle disseminator of information places it on f._t._p. Sites and make subtle references to endorsements of such info on news usually pretending to be a disinterested observer a pirate a person who will pirate and account for a one-shot high saturation dissemination of propaganda and impersonator who impersonates the enemy posting embarrassing the left infuriating the enemy and infiltrator who infiltrates the enemy the camp nineteen ninety five russia dot their hands things yup and mm-hmm fascist folks develop a cohesive strategy around what they called flaming as early as the nineteen ninety-five researchers into online extremism had to realize that quote a common eminem point used by right wing activists stylized disclaimer. I am not a nazi. Those same researchers also noted the use of mail bombs or software that allowed fascist to delusion recipient and hundreds upon hundreds of pieces of spam e mail order to make an opponent's account functionally unusable twenty one years later when i wrote my first article critical of eight chen in the lead up to the two thousand sixteen election in my work can't was deluged in a massive flow of spam emails why i still get emails from home schooling dot com every day now why it called enberg was an internet activist affiliated with tom metzger white aryan resistance or war. We've talked much about them in this audio book because i had to limit my focus focus somewhere but tom was a major part of the skin it movement as well as an associate of the order back in the nineteen seventies. He worked with david duke to help organize the clan border. Watch why it helped spread. Ed wars message online and gained infamy is one of the first proponents for would come to be known as brigade eating disrupting other online communities in an organized way white wrote this ought to maybe our new tactic instead of hanging out around the four racist newsgroups. We can hit newsgroups as a mob. We cannot win. We are numbered by jews but if we go in a group we can win with the average joe six pack post fact fact about black crime. Give your update numbers. Web addresses push books newspapers for years it nineteen ninety-five cool fascist groups. It's like the carolinian lords of the caucasus started going into newsgroups dedicated the loneliness and people who had just ended relationships they went into scripts for popular musicians and even the newsgroup for denny's which might as well just be. A support group for lonely raids like this. We're often just for the purpose of harassment but over the years fascist better and better at spreading their ideology in this way they quickly hit upon the tactic of hiding their beliefs is humor retreating behind the shield of we're just joking when people responded badly to their rants about jewish people black on black crime dead earlier did earlier yeah it all ties together. Christian identity theology also spread online in this period. I found an article in the journal of black studies written by tiny sharp in two thousand she noted ended. The internet has become a primary means for disseminating information for these groups. Currently there are twenty five websites and newsgroups devoted specifically to identity christianity on the worldwide web as well one hundred thirty other websites that are devoted to similar and related topics individuals can tap into these websites and find procedures for making bombs obtain hate propaganda tracts in requests cadillacs market white supervises books and paraphernalia so that's cool very cool contrary cool you know what's even cooler than spreading christian identity the theology online in the year two thousand tons of stuff man yes lots including the products and services that support our show could could get some of those those nuts. Yes please call those seats nuts. Oh wait no not really effective. I just want you to have some seats to in some nuts. I'll have some all right sophie and aren't gonna do the exchange roy you throw me go idle offering you the whip i have the perrier you get up in time every time we do. This eker audio looks back at me with this baleful. Look it's just what are you doing to the recording great idea like lording over in the montgomery county maryland courthouse. There are thousands of pages of documents detailing the horrific murders orders of three innocent people to things from the early days of the investigation are clear no one knew for sure who committed the murders but somehow somehow a theory about who engineered them soon as i heard the details. I knew my dad was involved right away. We know it was lawrence horn. I mean i knew who else instantly soon as lawrence. Everybody knew that lawrence horn was responsible. Nobody even better than i but at the time of the murders lawrence horn was clear across the country watching tv in his los angeles home and he could prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm jasmine morris from iheartradio and hit home media via. This is hitman. Listen and subscribe at apple podcasts on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts we're back and i'm a villain stroking a case of perrier as if it's a cat <hes> mhm what you about to do to that perrier going to throw it will be the last time i can throw something. We've done it way too much in this this episode code series. It's fun in the room. I know it's going to wear on people in their according you can't you can't edit audio. You can't cut the stuff out turns out you can nope. I'm undecided undecided bit by bit and almost entirely in a decentralized manner. The digital right came together in the early. Two thousands law enforcement was not just helpless to do anything. It's debatable whether or not they even realized what was happening. Most of their online efforts were spent keeping track of known quantities with long standing on line ties is like don black and his popular fascist website storm front now storm front is important nearly a hundred hate. Crime murders have been traced to the site but the f._b._i. Wasn't even particularly hughley good at monitoring them which is nearly one hundred murders for traces site in july of two thousand nineteen in response to a foia request. The biro admitted that they had somehow how lost almost all of their files on storm front somehow. Oh i hate it when that happens turtle files on like white supremacist movement. Have you lost not worth examining okay okay. I can't think of it here cody. It sounds like you're about to accuse the f._b._i. The bureau of whom a member who roic lii was present during the greensboro massacre in didn't do anything to stop it. You're going to accuse that f._b._i. Of acting to defend in storm front. I don't know what i was thinking. I took the conspiracy pill. You know what i think the f._b._i. Is good and bob. Mueller is gonna save us a a. It's going to be all everything's giving real good. It's gonna be great. Go away in handcuffs sekai yeah so so the f._b._i. Only did a quarter ass job of monitoring the most obvious nazis online and if that's the case is probably not surprising that they completely failed to notice when fascist started infiltrating communities entities on websites like four chan and read it it happens slowly camouflaged an irony and humor as a young man. I was only vaguely aware of the changes taking place in the digital spaces. I'd grown up around and holocaust jokes became more common so did racist humor more than just growing more frequent. These jokes grew more specific evolving from jibes about jewish people being stingy with money clearly inspired right by south park <hes> to me about how hitler did nothing wrong an image macro that repeated bad science about race and i q in two dozen eighteen i found an article on the observer by by holocaust scholar timothy snyder in it he comments on the use of irony and humor by fascist mainstream their views quote with the twenty first century culture is introduced as that nothing is really a serious and that is an interestingly dangerous idea because if nothing is serious you can have this ambiguity where you can actually be doing something very serious but you're pretending not to and you can always fall back and say well. That was just a joke because everything is just a joke but of course you don't really believe that everything is just a joke or you wouldn't be promoting fascism or white supremacy or whatever it may be yeah. That's well said yet. Noses fucking chips quote. That's that too yeah. I should have brought it up because i can't remember but it describes that sort of back back and then when it's a little too far yeah joke challenge them sorta walkaway yeah whether or not you laugh determines whether or not i decide. I was joking. Yeah yeah just a prank rome just a prank bro. Don't you have a sense of humor. In two thousand fourteen things on the internet rather suddenly boiled over into the cultural phenomenon known as gamer gate on its surface gamer gate was a reaction to corruption and video games journalism in reality. It wasn't eruption of white and male supremacist racist hatred an attack on modernity and liberalism by an army of young men who believed they've been wronged by society. There has not yet been a great deal of research into whether or not there was an organized attempt by the white power for movement to co-opt gamer gate but there is ample evidence that the ideas of that movement quickly made it into popular memes spread by gamer gators during my research came across a threat on the website re cetera cetera filled with other confused digital natives trying to figure out just what the fuck it happened with gamer gate one user posted a series of memes he'd save during that time in retrospect. They seem to show uh-huh a progressive descent into white nationalism. The first is a propaganda poster featuring a cartoon mascot of four chance poll board polina advising the ends of poll on how to effectively aid movement pulling it is blond haired and blue eyed at the top of the poster of the words who is that girl blonde haired blue eyes fair skin why it must be polina another other meme from further on on the collection significantly nazeer. It's based around an old labor movement political cartoon pyramid of a modern capitalist system showing labour's and the very bottom being exploited loyd the classes above them in the gate adaptation gamers are the bottom of the pyramid with games journalists above them critical theorists social justice warriors like you need a sarkisian above them mm-hmm cultural marxist academia of them and then facile loans atop represented by an aluminum body is simple. We don't see explicit anti semitism in this cartoon but it is. There's suddenly in the caricature drawings jewish video game critics. It's clear at this point that some white power talking points had started to mutate better appeal to modern extremely online line youths yeah especially more effective because like that dork fantasy shit gamers yeah yeah just joking this joke in the same same like source of resentment to southern gravitate towards the k._k._k. Dork looser. I don't know exactly it's it's. It's especially frustrating because it so it is clear that there is a connection there but because it's a lot of image boards four chan it disappeared really quickly <hes> so there's less record of that time of the sort of the proto what's going on yeah. We'll have all these up on our website behind the bastards dot com and of course the war and everyone dot com which i have not plugged in the series. We're just it'll eventually the harassment a video game journalists and critics most of whom were women grew severe and illegal enough that fortune exiled. It's gamer gators. Many of them migrated the eight and over the next several years they grew more radical and more explicitly fascist until eventually they were openly planning for how to cause a new holocaust. It's impossible to know how much of the ironic roenick fascist shit posting started off innocently and how much of it was seated by white power activists but we know they were engaging in that behavior purposefully for more than twenty years in the years after after gamera gate. This work has paid dividends. The true danger of the digital reich was best expressed by alex curtis the publisher of extremist neo nazi magazine and self proclaimed lone-wolf of hate in the early two thousands he wrote of his hope that quote some well-placed arians will one day cause some serious wreckage. A thousand timothy mcveigh's would end any semblance of stability ability in this racially corrupt society refined enough lone wolves yelp by some magic computer thing historical stoorikhel echo that won't go away. Yeah yeah continue. We have not yet reached. Timothy mcveigh's thankfully but we have seen a market increase increase in the amount of right wing domestic terror over the last several years yeah yeah and it certainly seems to be driven. Largely by online radicalization robert bowers the tree of life synagogue shooter shooter was radicalized in part on gab social network for nazis. He announced the start of his rampage. There six months later the police synagogue shooter announce the start of his rampage on eight chen as had the christ's ice church shooter six weeks prior. There are other names on the roll call of internet inspired fascist violence the atom often terrorist group responsible for three murders so far started off with extremely online online nazis working to form a terror cell imitation of the book siege written by james mason. We talked briefly about mason and siege at the start of this book. He was a student of william pierce in and siege. Might thus be understood as a more academic accompanying text to the turner diaries with the diaries proposes fiction siege outlines in strategic depth mason advocates for leaderless resistance distance and lone wolf style attacks the lone wolf cannot be detected cannot be prevented and seldom can be traced if i were asked by any one of my opinion on what to look for or hope for next i would tell them wave of killings or assassinations of system bureaucrats by roving gunmen who have their strategy well mapped out in advance and well nigh impossible to stop early in two thousand nineteen coast coast guard lieutenant christopher hasson was caught planning this exact sort of attack. He had a cache of weapons and ammo in a kill. List of journalists and democratic. Politicians hasn't was obsessed with the manifesto of anders breivik. The right wing shooter who murdered dozens of students new toy in norway. We don't know when he first came into contact with that manifesto but spreading it has been a priority of online fascist for years in the wake of the christ church. Shooting fascists have started spreading brinton terrence manifesto as well. The synagogue shooter cited both manifestos inspirations for his attack in his own rampage. Throughout the pulse shooter stated his desire to beat terrence high score in this we see echoes of eric harris the columbine shooter who was obsessed with beating timothy mathie mcveigh's high score right now as i read this violent are men and eight chance poll board in numerous discord chat rooms are plotting for ways that they might beat their heroes and win a high score of their own on telegram the bowl patrol a group of young fascist dedicated to charleston church shooter dylann roof celebrate saint roof and fantasize about new acts of violence in his name the early harvest and blood these young men will reap was sewn by louis beam william pierce and bob matthews now though there is no need for an organization to buy up arms and planned terror or attacks. The order proved to be less resilient than the completely decentralized radicalization killing machine made possible with the advent of the internet. The internet has given the white power movement a steady supply of armed and ready young killers lynn cruise missiles who strike unpredictably at targets around the country bit by bit their tax chisel away at our sense of security our national stability in our trust in each other it took decades but louis beam and his comrades did bring the war home to all of us and against all of us cool cool book chapter yeah just it's just upsetting the the thing is so interesting and their apparent gamers but like there is that element that it that it's drawn drawn to and like through theo zealand shooting live streaming at like that's yeah you're you're broadcasting video game. Yeah exactly you're trying to make it look like call of duty right and then you get the high score talk and then even more horrifying to see it all laid out so linear like the single biggest surprise to me in researching this was when i came upon the fact that eric harris head specifically stated his desire to beat timothy mcveigh's kill count like realizing like oh oh that part. It's the same thing it really all of like the like that's the probably look at this so much separated like even as far back as like the fact that the nazis trying to recruit kids in the nineteen ninety-five like one of the guys doing that had his computer bought for him by william pierces national alliance the guy who wrote the turner diaries the book which inspired timothy mcveigh which inspired eric harris which inspired seventy-nine other mass shooters like yeah. It's a whole it's a whole web. It's really hard to. It's really hard to describe to layout because there's so much i had to leave out like i could. I could have done this whole thing about. I could have done a whole seven part episode. Alex jones ties to explicit terrorists like that's the last one of the most frustrating because it's like once you once you see it. It's not you see it everywhere. Once you see it you see where it is realize how big it is yeah yeah. It's so upsetting. It is upsetting. What's even more upsetting is that it's time for me to throw the perrier yeah. You'd you'd better move away from that point because that's where i'm gonna check it at no. It's okay. It's okay all right guys cody. I need you to get close to your microphone and described this as i do it. No one seems thrilled about sophie's hiding hiding. She's sleeping protecting anderson. Oh is she'll. I'm looking through the chair. I'm really not doing a great job. Robert stood up two hands on the perrier winding-up. Taking breasts growing can spell out shouted those so anti-climactic well. Well coughed it just a new way to open up a box of perrier now so curious to open. All of your worry was for nothing. Did you film it. Is one of us here we go. I don't want one. I just prefer throwing it. Oh yeah they're pretty good shape. You should open it now. Though i mean to see nothing how fleet disappointed about this has been disappointing except for you robert refreshing. Bring your work well. Can i have some good what yeah in the moment i'm gonna close it. Real quick closes things really meticulously while so. I'm not surprised prized that it didn't open when he threw it against the patriots close what i'm surprised about what good audio content cody receipts for this podcast. The choices in this eight part seven part cody dropped a bunch. I got i got mine. Well guys you don't really want. I just want everybody to re. I guess you already listed the book to read. The book listened to the topic <hes> that everybody <hes> yeah. I'm really glad we did this. I'm glad we did this to. I wish we didn't need it myself during it but i wish we didn't didn't smoke earlier to learn things. We take just like apologize. Let's not say just like nope just like mike lewis okay. That's i guess what we learned so some more news more news even now this in johnston and my name's behind the bastards dot com the website where you can find the sources for this podcast you can also find the war on everyone dot com. You could buy shirts on public dot com by looking for behind the bastards. We have a twitter at bastards pot and instagram at at the same name. Check out you proud. Oh yeah because remember to finally guys time to go online. I just threw some scenes at kodiak. The in the montgomery county maryland courthouse there are thousands of pages of documents detailing the horrific murders of three innocent people soon as i heard the details. I knew my dad was involved right away. Instantly i says lawrence but at the time of the murders lawrence horn was clear across the country. I'm jasmine morris from iheartradio and hit home media. This is hitman. Listen and subscribe at apple podcasts hard casts on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts.

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Part One: The Complete, Insane History of American Border Militias

Behind the Bastards

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Part One: The Complete, Insane History of American Border Militias

"I'm Robert Evans hosted behind the bastards. And did you know that the greatest bastard of all might be a or it might not? I don't really know because I haven't listened to sleep walkers yet. But I'm about to start because it sounds awesome. It's a new podcast about how AI works how it infects and effects our lives in how our behaviors are being subtly modified by AI without us. Even knowing sleep walkers is the podcast that asks what is all this stuff with all these computers doing stuff? What does it? What does it mean for us? So if you wanna know how a I could stop someone from joining ISIS what happens to doctors if AI diagnosis illnesses better than them. And what a song written by sounds like then checkout, sleep walkers? It's pretty cool. You can find it on anywhere. Find pods or casted. Let's pump and McCray. I'm Robert Evans hosted behind the bastards the podcast retail. You everything you don't know. But the very worst people in all of history. My guests today. The inimitable the unstoppable the dynamic duo sexier than Obama deadlier than Osama. Cody Johnston and Katie still the best in show. I really worked on that one. So every second of it. And also you could have just said Obama for the second one would've worked. Well. He went to the extreme. Did I did? I did. I always liked comparing my guests to famous terrorists felt right? Goes it goes. Well, every time are y'all doing today. Great great. Yeah. We we do have. Of course, our coffee mate in the in the room with us one pump. When cream Pombo green it expired in January twenty nineteen. That's very cool. I do have you because I throw things now on the air because I've become a prima Donna this time. It is a loaf of Izzy. Oh, artisan bakery. San Francisco style. Sour dough. Throwing this in anger at several points that coffeemate might have curdled by now. But it might make a good spread for this hour, though. Oh, that's a good idea. Just putting that out there. And if I wanted one cream is bread on the Sourdot, how many pumps would that be? One one problem pump was one for so it's so like old now and Colonel two or three, you know. You know place to get it started. Yeah. Speaking of getting it starting you guys hear about that border militia. That that apprehended hundreds of migrants at gunpoint. Yeah. You want to hear the whole history of civilian border militias? I really do. Oh, I thought we were just going to hang out. Okay. Okay. Okay. I told Cody to get him here. But but when the Colleen every time people, it's working. Yeah. That's got to get those pumps and the equal number of claims. Ideally, we should get new coffee experts is cream puff. Clearly, nobody wants to use it. So. So. Anymore cream only a prop now just a proud? It's it's ambient cream. Okay. Let's get into it. So when I was a little kid growing up in Texas. I learned about the glorious war. My white ancestors had fought against the brutal Mexican government in the evil crossdressing Santa Ana there was a lot. I did not learn though, like that the Texas revolutionaries had been fighting for the right own human beings. And that Santa Anna was one of the founding fathers of cockfighting. I did. However, learn a lot about the Alamo from there might Texas. History course went from the short lived in incompetently, led Republic of Texas to the civil war. That's basically it. I don't remember learning much about Texas in the nineteen twenties or anything about the border aside from some Hanky graphic tales of the very first Texas Rangers. Now in case, you don't know the Texas Rangers are basically, the Lone Star states FBI only with more spin kicking see the documentary Walker Texas ranger information in their current incarnation. I did not however learn much about what the Rangers have gotten up to pre and post civil war days, according to Kelly Hernandez, author of meager history of the US border patrol quote. They battled indigenous groups for. Dominance in the region. Chase down runaway slaves who struck for freedom deep within Mexico and settled scores with anyone who challenged the Anglo American project in Texas. The Rangers prove particularly useful in helping Anglo American landholders win favorable settlements of land in labor disputes with Texas Mexicans whatever the task, however, raw physical violence was the Rangers principal strategy. Yeah. So okay. Cool. Very cool. And so you do it. That's how you Roth physical violence the art of the raw physical violence. Yes. Just just shooting people. Now, I found that quote in several others in a wonderful intercept article that makes it very clear just how much unchecked violence was key to early border patrol strategies because the Texas Rangers evolved from a force bent on maintaining white dominance and Texas too in the early nineteen hundreds this nation's first real border patrol. Here's the intercept quote the early years of the twentieth century from nineteen ten to nineteen twenty. We're particularly bloodied with hundreds of Mexicans murdered lynched in the Texas borderlands, the dead included women and children the aged in the young longtime residents in recent arrivals says the refusing to forget project and initiative started by collective of border base to story, and researchers they were killed by strangers by neighbors by vigilantes and at the hands of local law enforcement officers in the Texas Rangers some were summarily executed after being taken captive or shot under the flimsy pretext tried to escape somewhere left in the open to rot others desecrated by being burnt. Capitated or tortured by means such as having beer bottles. Rammed in their mouths. So that's the start of border patrol. What if we didn't do? Like what if what if somebody looked at that that we shouldn't allow that? Well, but then you wouldn't be a country. Okay. Okay. Definition of country here. What if we could though that's all I'm saying is what if you could be a country and not to sounds like some pie in the sky leftist. Woo, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Keep dreaming, Cody here, but imagine. Okay. All right. No, you're right. Yes. Too lofty a man in all the people not torturing. With beer bottles. Rammed in their mouths. Imagine. Not that though would if I what if what if not that. What what if not that what if? Laws. What if not that what if laws this is poetic, but they broke the law by crossing a an imaginary line come if they didn't want a beer bottle, rammed in them. They shouldn't have come here. Yeah. That's true. And then by like just by virtue of being here. They're they're criminals. They didn't human being angrily. I mean, do we even want to say human beings like with these people doing? What does that word when you when you when you refer to them as human beings that makes me bread throw an angry? Tobacco. Any? I'm not actually if they didn't if they didn't want these things to happen to them. And then they shouldn't come here. We don't want to do it. This is deterrent. Oh, it's it's a deterrent beer bottle shops. This is an example. So you know, what you're getting. Yeah. I hate it. Did it work? No, oh, I I did a paper damning issue. The sound is not in any way translate to the audio format that we work exclusively at but as very comedic in the rim. Yeah, I'm I'm glad it worked in the room in the roaring twenties inequality soared while an oppressive drug prohibition state-led outbursts, violent crime across the United States. And by nineteen twenty four some Americans had decided that the cause of their problems were all the goddamn immigrants. We've talked a bit about this a little and other episodes, the second KKK made halting immigration at keystone of its politics, although they were mostly focused on stopping immigrants from the bad parts of Europe. But down south in Texas, many Americans decided the problem was Mexican immigrants the need for Mexican farm labor meant that. No, real restrictions were put in place on immigration, but the government created the border patrol is a SAF to people who wanted something done a capitalize. The essence something I heard that the with the way inflected. That's why. Yeah. Something. Yeah. People racists in Texas where like I don't want these Mexicans coming in in the business companies. We're like we can't harvest food without them. So we're not going to like we're going to lobby the government to not restrict them from coming in and racists rely. But that makes me angry. So the the government was like have have border patrol. That's where they come from. And now. Tossed the bread. Here goes the bread says eat more toast on it. You know what I'm noticing right now. As an issue with toss and bread today. It doesn't bounce back like the bagel bagels palm right back to me. You know, I'm gonna have to have Dan will go get it. Thank you, some extra work for somebody for somebody. Because I am a diva premadonna yet Davis. Yeah. Like beyond say clean. I have taken that on myself. Oh, no, no, no. I'll keep throwing the bread. You're going to get the make. Let's continue while he grabs. My toss and bagels. Now. The early border patrol was very much cut from the cloth of the Texas Rangers the intercept interviewed Francisco Cantu. Former Puerto patrol agent who told them, quote, I often heard romanticize stories of the old patrol element for the days. When agents had free reigns. Across the borderlands lighting abandoned cars on fire in tuning up, smugglers and migrants at will as young trainees my colleagues, and I were taken to storied places in the desert, a remote password earlier generations of agents were rumored to have pushed migrants from clifftops and hidden their corpses. A stretch of road were an agent had run over a native American lying drunken asleep in the road, an isolated patch of scrubland where agents had forced fed smugglers fistfuls of marijuana and turn them loose to rock through their wilderness. Barefoot and stripped to their underwear there is a lot to digest there. Yeah. Thank you. Dan. What is turning up me tuning up tuning? I means the meeting the shit out of. Yeah. Of course as time went on the border patrol became gradually, more professional and somewhat less like a bunch of drunken sociopath less being the operative word. Not unlike and we're not gonna. Talk enough about the number of people who are killed by border patrol every year, some violence still persists. But it's it's obviously less than it was in the twenties. Sure, just like, we don't, you know, there's still problems with prescription drugs. But we don't sell children morphine. Right. A lot of things are less than the twentieth. Yeah. Yeah. As a chin rule rule make it. Okay. Doesn't make it. Okay. So. With your really all those years ago. So the border patrol became less sociopathic, but the desire to fight immigration with hooligan ring remained inter Louis beam. You guys ever heard of Louis beam now, oh, he is someone we will be talking about a lot in my up coming audiobook, the war on everyone because he's like if George Lincoln Rockwell is like the George Washington of American fascism share Louis beam is like the ABRAHAM LINCOLN of Nazis. Okay. Yeah. I that actually does not scan at all. So I I don't know. But I mean, I got you. Yeah. Louis beam did an eighteen month extended tour in Vietnam as a helicopter machine gunner. He saw extensive combat and spent roughly a thousand hours shooting bullets at people accounting for between twelve and fifty one kills when he came home. It was as a radicalized far, right? White nationalist with fervent anticommunist views in the early nineteen seventies beam created the clan border, watch part of a neutron towards paramilitary training among the KKK beam stated at the time when our government officials refused to enforce the laws of the country. We will enforce them ourselves. Okay. That's what the that's the. That's the constitution. But. Argonne given right to take the lawn tomorrow hands. Exactly, yeah. Exactly, if the government won't stop people who are critical to the infrastructure and economy of this nation from entering illegally because the legal pathways are gigantic pain in the ass. Then it's got to be up to the KKK to do it. That's just it makes sense that doesn't make me question any of my feelings about immigration or immigrants, or what people think about getting rid of them. Yeah. I'll just take those two things at face value. The never think about it again. You know, what you know, what I love is never thinking about things against everything about it. I guess never think of it. Again. It's easier that way it's way easier that way. Now, we're going to as I said talk about Louis beam so much more during the war on everyone. My upcoming very fun audiobook that everybody's going to love find uplifting. Dare I say shamefully Roddick. But for the purposes of our story today, the tail of the clan border watches, a lot more to do with two different and somewhat more comical racists. Tom Metzger and David Duke. David. Fuck. Yeah. Now Metzger was beams counterpart in the California Ku Klux Klan and Duke was we'll get to David Duke and a little bit. And anyway, here's how bring the war home by Kathleen Balu describes the clan border patrol, quote, the patrols functioned both as a publicity stunt, and as a way to inculcate real anti-immigrant hostility and encourage acts of violence some patrols worked as photo opportunities for the press in one such incident. Duke in California, KKK members hung clan border watch signs on their cars and drove to the border near San Diego. And to wanna when no undocumented immigrants appeared Duke boasted to reporters, I think some Mexicans are afraid to enter the country because of the clan. There's that deterrent working. There's that deterrent working. Yeah. That's that's 'cause if if the KKK being there didn't work so like, let's just take your kids away. That's next. Progressive political step, it doesn't work. Okay. Well, I guess like tear gas, you know, that does work next stop bullets. I didn't wanna think about it more. I was going to put that away. I wasn't going to, you know, just not analyze that shooting straight. Remember what you're talking about? Exactly the way go, you know, what I'm about to put away these throw in baking. You really see that? On my feet. I we gotta stick with the throwing bagels. This this toss into bread is del Tondo doesn't work. When you laughing at Sophie, this is very important. I'm doing a very important podcast right now. What if the toss inbred company offered to sponsor this show? You know, I have too much integrity to hear. I mean, I'll let them sponsor the show, but I'm not going to lie and say that the tossing bread is better than the throw in bay. Exactly exactly got to be honest. Anyone can advertise as long as the truth can be told exactly for curdled cream. That's and that's what we stand behind it. It's I'll say this. It's more fun to throw the bread. But the bounceback is so much more satisfying on on the tossing bagels. That's I mean, I'm to throw the baby. Yeah. Air pumps. One crane. I mean, we we could test that out. Let's not let's not. But let's do someday. When the when we inevitably do the drunk episode of this podcast. We'll figure out exactly how these relate to one of those little Creamer package. You get in a seven eleven in one year when a year old when a year old cream. We'll figure. Yeah. So Tom Metzger and David Duke are both important figures in the development of the American fascist movement. But the day I wanna go into a little bit more detail about David Duke. He's been racist longer than most Americans have been alive during the nineteen sixties when he was in high school, he was already an ardent white nationalist when he went to college nineteen sixty nine he became a student organizer for the national socialist, white People's Party, a direct descendant of George Lincoln Rockwell's Nazi party, Duke. Also started the white student alliance and the white youth alliance. He was particularly active in Louisiana state university's free speech alley according to Leonard's Askins blood and politics quote in one incident from those early years duked on the Nazi stormtrooper uniform complete with swastika armband and strode around for the cameras with a picket sign protesting campus speech by noted left-wing attorney, William kuntsler. Free speech. This checks out. Sounds like a real good conservative sounds like a real goo ga. What if let's say he and these people were to get a lot of power. Do you think they would care about free speech? Yeah. Of course, you think that they would they would defend free speech for people who maybe disagree with them. Free speech, Cody speech is my ability to talk about what I want. I don't give a. Who taller someone else was reading about a free speech activist guy named Hightower Hitler something? Like that in Germany. It's pronounced Tytler Hitler. Yeah. And he came to power actually in in the early nineteen thirties. I even read further in the book that I'm reading about him. But I think he was a real free speech crusader there. Our I haven't finished the book, I'll get through one of these days. Yeah. It's talk about height ler. The California border patrol was duke's brain baby first informants, although Metzger handled most of the logistics, blood and politics describes the media campaign. He crafted around these patrols relating press conference in October of nineteen seventy seven David Duke stepped out of a rented helicopter and onto the grounds of the San Ysidro. Port of entry south of San Diego federal office used by the immigration and Naturalization Service INS to regulate traffic on the border with Mexico dressed in a light blue business suit Duke was surrounded by an entourage of tough looking men in street clothes all members of the knights of the Ku Klux Klan, they faced a protest group angry at the klan's public appearance. An egg splattered on duke's close in Iraq broke the windshield of the Klansman's car. Police arrested the rock through our while in INS agent. In charge welcomed the clansman and gave them a guided tour of the facility for Duke and company this visit was the first stop in an effort to stir up opposition to Brown skinned immigrants. We believe very strongly white people are becoming second-class citizens in this country. Duke told the press when I think of America, I think of a white country. We try to keep this light and fun, but my blood boils a little bit. Like, I feel my shoulders inching up to my ears. We could because you're angry at the the anti-free-speech people who talks to rocket that. You you got me going let them speak. Yeah. I mean, I think you're doing a great job because you're you're you're like relaying the message. But right now, he's the egg-throwers they might as well be shooting guns. They might as well shooting guns and should be treated as such. Also, what about those poor baby eggs, the baby chicken xactly that could have been murdered a third of an omelette. Yeah. As the current president of the United States says, maybe we should treat them throwing rocks. As if they were guns. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense because you know. When you toss a rock that can could go to solid fifteen twenty feet per second. And you know, a a rifles only like three thousand feet per second. It's not that difference a bullet, but a tiny rock. Exactly. What's math, but numbers, you know, come on Duke officially announced his clan border watch several days later in Sacramento. We said five hundred one thousand Klansmen would patrol the border crossings in areas in between the fences in search of a legal immigrants. The reality was less impressive less than two hundred Klansmen actually showed up to drive around in their activity at the border was limited to a few weeks the knights of Texas started patrolling their border at the same time. But in both cases, the border watches were more PR than practical the clans newspaper. The crusader published a special article to commemorate this aerobic action. No single action in the last decade has done more to bring public attention and awareness on the border problem. Now, it would be more accurate to state that no single action did more to bring public awareness to the cause of white nationalism focusing on the border. Into legal immigration was a hugely successful PR move for America's most organized racists as David Duke himself noted when a hundred reporters are gathered around hanging on every word when they hope you accomplish your objectives by their own misguided sensationalism, if indeed it was a media stunt, it was by their own presence in admission that it was a very brilliant one. That's relevant to anything today. Yeah. No. It does not tie in my favorite thing about coming on this podcast because it's relevant is hearing hearing stories and stuff that has nothing to do with what's going on like because I like to you know, we read the news all the time. We talk about it all the time. And so you wanna shut that part of your brain off and hands. It never happened. Just wanna hear stories like this man thing Ivan? Yeah, that has that doesn't tie into anything else. Nothing. You know, what does tie anything else ads for products and services? It might even be an ad for sara-lee deluxe throwing bagels. Yeah. Right back products. Do you sell stuff online? Then you knew what a pain shipping can be. It's time consuming. It's expensive. It's a hassle until now. 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We're content to mostly use the question of illegal immigration to drum up interest in their super coupe clubs, other Americans remained frustrated by the fact that no actual action had been taken to stop migrants from coming over inter civilian material assistance or the CEA may the CNA was founded in nineteen Eighty-three by a wholesale grocer from Arizona who wanted to provide aid to anticommunist guerrillas fighting in Nicaragua this eight eventually turned into actual volunteer fighters several of whom died in that country, Kathleen balloon notes that quote in Nicaragua acted covertly and behalf of the US government. It was funded by the CIA and supplied by the US military coup. This good shit. Now, the nineteen eighties were a time in which a lot of civil wars were raging all across Latin America, most of those wars were funded and in some way supported by the CIA and the US military, for example, also during this period, the Guatemalan government was fighting an insert. Agency. They dumped suspected guerilla fighters into the ocean out of helicopters. So no, one would find their bodies and disrupt the military aid they received from the United States, all this violence and unrest across the region. Let a lot of people to flee their homes in search for a better. Let's find that life in the United States. The was not a fan of this. According to the intercept quote in the summer of nineteen Eighty-six approximately twenty heavily-armed men in military fatigues stepped into the darkness of the Zona desert. It was July fourth weekend outside the remote border town of luxury L and the gunman were on the hunt carrying in sixteen. AK forty sevens with his Rayleigh night vision goggles strapped to their heads. The vigilante soon found what they were looking for two carloads of Mexican nationals. JR Hagan the crucifix wearing Vietnam veteran who led the operation would later say that the vehicles came to a stop on their own other members of his team disagreed telling reporters that they booby-trapped the road tearing the tyres of one of the shreds before opening fire. It was the latest in a series of escalating actions, which also included clandestine forays into Mexico. This the militia. Members held sixteen men women and children at gunpoint for an hour and a half before border patrol agents arrived to take them away. Very big discrepancies story. I love it. They're they're protecting the US border play invading, Mexico and believe in it's fine. Like, it's almost like these, hyper masculine people they need this award be fighting. They need to have some like battle. And then planets, I get I like football. I get the desire to lark with a fuck. Fucking AR. Fifteen go do it on your friends land and shoot it old cars don't fuck with people's lives shoot their vehicles video game play fucking video game. Yeah. Yeah. Like, go fuck up another country. And then when they come here, stop them with guns. I love because it's really like, okay. One guy said they stopped on their own. But they disagreed, and I was waiting for like, no, they stopped. They like held up Gandhi. I stopped the car. No, no. They bubis. We like we like put shit down. We were just standing in the middle of the room for this. They do want war zone. Yeah. They went to war. They wanna civil war. They want to revolution. There's a went Hannity's old website in like nine and all these polls of like, what revolution do you prefer? Yeah. And it's like I want civil war. No, I want like a real like we're revolt against the government, just like all these different options. There's one thing they want. They have all those cool toys, and they want an excuse to use them. Nobody voted for the industrial revolution. No. That was what's your favorite? You know, what I love is what little cute little Tykes work in factories. Just really gets me. Keyword is cute. It's your it's cute yard dolts when they're little hands that go into those grain Thrashers, and they just try to pull the stuff out faster than it can cut their fingers funds Q wholesome Hans wouldn't be able to do that. It'd be less cute. And it would be less cute. Oh my God. In the little the little cute little fake limbs for them the little peg legs and stuff. Thrashers. I like like. Yeah. Yeah. Think of how little those black lungs are too. It's adorable. I love a good liquorice jelly beans in their in their chest. Yeah. Mm cute. Yeah. I took it too far. Jelly pizza cute with. No, you know, what you're who. Katie. If I throw it out the other wall with. What is that expression? Sovi? Protesters throwing something. Fire. Great Langham, bagels fact, just please. Thank you. Yeah. Instead of a molotov. Molotov cocktails bagel. I love that Pagel this something here multiple locks to something we're close we're getting there. We're getting there. I'm proud of all of us. We'll probably cut some of that out. Nine hundred ninety one was an important year for America's political racists. It's the year. David Duke ran for governor of Louisiana he lost. But he won almost thirty nine percent of the popular vote, which is a lot of vote. That's the magic number. If like that like that rate is there's always that range of people who vote for is kind current approval rating. Talking about who you're talking about. It was also the year of the Gulf war, and many of America's white supremacists. We're very much against that war happening. The populist party was founded by Willis cartel in nineteen Eighty-four Willis will get an episode himself. But the short of it is he was modern America's first successful intellectual Nazi think of him as rich as the Richard Spencer of the nineteen eighties and nineties he kept his power level. Just wrapped up enough to avoid being tarred with the same brush as George Lincoln Rockwell, but he shared Rockwell's ultimate goal. Uniting the American right behind white supremacist politics. The populist party was a major early vehicle for David dukes political career in nineteen Ninety-one. They picketed and protested the Gulf war, blood and politics sites. One of the leaflets they handed out by the hundreds quote, if the populist party were in power, we would have hundreds of thousands of troops on the Mexican border not in desert desert sand dunes, ten thousand miles away. There would be no affirmative action quotas or other anti white racists schemes anti white racist scheme. That's my hell. Oh god. Waiting for like, no more wars. Just not where we want to closer. We want to do it close in a war on those unarmed. Tried to cross the border. Gotta kill those women and children. We want to be able to see the war from our back backyard. I want to one a war. But I also don't want to have to go too far from kitchen. Well, you don't wanna have to fight war in like a gross foreign country. No, no. You wanna know kill some people want to go home to my own bed. Exactly america. First. We're here. Forever import. Don't export exactly exactly exactly got a word deficit. Trade was at the war gas. Nineteen Ninety-two or in nineteen Ninety-two. Pat, Buchanan ran in the Republican party primary against George Hw Bush. So to Tom Metzger for that matter Buchanan made border security the keystone issue of his campaign during a precedent at the border in may he told the L A times, quote, I'm calling attention to a national disgrace. The failure of the national government of the United States to protect the borders of the United States from a legal invasion that involves at least a million aliens a year as a consequence of that we have social problems and economic problems and drug problems. Oh, unfortunately, for Pat, Tom Metzger showed up at the border that same day intent on a tacking, Pat Buchanan from the right? Here's how blood and politics relates what happened next. The only problem was Metzker who waited with great fanfare for Buchanan to appear. Where was the great white? Hope he sneered like a perfect villain in a street theater. I want to talk with him when Buchanan finally did appear he was forced to huddle in a small circle of supporters to avoid contact with Metzker. But the ornery Aaron worked his way into camera. Nevertheless, Pat, he yelled is all the. Cameras swung away from the candidate in toward him. What are we going to do about all those rich Republicans making millions off the wetbacks in the imperial valley as the cameras swung back and forth. Buchanan beat a hasty retreat after less than fifteen minutes of photo opportunity with the cameras all to himself Metzker, then staged his own press conference. If he were president he argued volubly, he would station national guard troops like a picket fence along the border with orders to shoot to kill the immigration problem would be over in one night, he declared. Yes, that's also cool. But also gross. It also gross deaths. Yeah. That's it's always fascinating hearing stories like a picket fence, but just like. Yeah. That fence Dunn's a guy that has Buchanan from the right? That's that's a thing. It's a feat. Okay. Okay. It's like like I've seen that conversation happened online many times. But just like, oh, yeah. Two candidates are doing their Twitter Twitter argument, but in real life. Yeah. And pulling them to the right? This is what we had to do before Twitter would show up at the the the border shouted Shuten. Now, obviously, the nineteen Ninety-two election did not go to any Republican slick willy noted lawyer and probable rapist one in the mid nineteen ninety s Clinton's border patrol launched the prevention through deterrence campaign, this basically focused the border patrol in several specific border cities in an attempt to funnel migrants into the Sonoran desert by basically blocking off all of the easy ways into the country. The idea was that migrants would realize that we're no safe routes into the United States, and thus stop trying to enter I'm gonna I'm sure that worked seems like people fleeing war, and in some cases literal genocide in their homes would be stopped by crossing an additional desert right desperation and the human. Drive for survival is easily deterred. Yes, it very very like a single extra obstacle. Exactly that isn't necessarily a worse. Obstacle than once. They've already gotten to that way to get people to stop trying to do something like go through hell and be like what about a hell light about a slightly less worse. Anyway, let's read the next pair. Oh, no. It turns out thousands of migrants tried to cross and hundreds of them died in the Sonoran desert, in many cases, they died due to lack of water, heat stroke, and all the other terrible things that can happen to a body whilst travelling through the desert on foot, but a number of those migrants, we will never know how many died violently in two thousand you CBO. A Mexican man was shot to death by Texas landowners. Sam Blackwood you CBO had asked. Sam for water Blackwood was convicted of a misdemeanor deadly conduct charge in fined four thousand dollars. Several members of the jury hugged members of his family after the verdict was given all of this finally brings me to the Minuteman. No. If you're like me, the Minuteman civil defense corps were the first vigilante border, militia you ever heard about at least started in April of two thousand five is the brain child of a man named Chris Simcox. Now, Chris was born in nineteen sixty one child had occurred. While David Duke was wearing a swastika in free speech alley and Louis beam was machine gunning people in Vietnam in his early years Chris's life gave little hint that he would follow down and evening Begley similar path to those men he moved out to L A with dreams of becoming an actor after several years of failure. He became a kindergarten teacher instead and taught at the Wildwood school could their teen years. It's just like. Like. You're you're really not with his cO. It goes. By September eleventh two thousand one he transitioned to running a private tutoring. Business according to the nation, quote, he appeared to suffer a mental breakdown in the days after the September eleventh two thousand one terrorist attacks refusing to communicate with anyone unless they first recited the preamble to the US constitution and he's a series of bizarre messages on his ex wife's answering machine about stockpiling weapons. I'm going on a great adventure. Simcox told his son three weeks after the attacks. This doesn't end. Well, it's interesting fun. Yeah. Adventures are fun. Ventures ventures sensors adventurous unders both are fun. Both are fun. And nobody dies in either. Either. That's my favorite thing about adventure. Never dying part this adventure was Chris moving out to tombstone Arizona and getting a gig as a fake gunfighter in a local show for tourists. His dreams. This is going to be. He also sunk some of the savings into buying the tombstone tumbleweed, a small local paper Chris change its editorial direction from local news to ranting. Violently about immigrants. The next year two thousand two he founded the tombstone militia, which is owned newspaper described as a committee of vigilantes, the tombstone militias started patrolling the border irregularly in January two thousand and three Chris was arrested through. Infrequently. That's that's how you dot costumes. We don't do it that often. Two thousand three Christmas arrested for illegally carrying a firearm in a national park during one of these missions the nation notes also in his possession. We're a police scanner and a toy figure of Wyatt urp reading a horse. Yeah. All right. Everything's adding up. Yeah. In April of two thousand five Chris teamed up with Jim Gilchrist, a retired accountant in Orange County to start the minute man project, according to Chris citizen, border patrols were needed to do the job. The government refuses to do and protect the country from people he called invaders. That's a new word all of this is not the same language that Louis beam the Nazi used to justify the clan border patrol couple of decades earlier, very totally different the same language and other say where any of these people use specifically or the Christ Church shooter or I could to keep. Yeah. I'll just I'll just you know, what I actually it's one of you wanna throw these bagels and anger. Wherever you want. You toss those bagels nothing in here can be damaged. Oh, this is solid to us. It's back to Robert and the invasion is over. Does this play well on podcast? Oh, yeah. People love people. Love a good. Good bagel throw. It's the cornerstone at my show the minute man project lasted a month, and it mostly involved groups of volunteers sitting in lawn chairs near the border looking for migrants with binoculars while it was unimpressive on the ground the minute man project was a huge PR success, FOX paid particular attention. But coverage span the gamut of mainstream new sources, I found an NBC news article from June two thousand five about two months after the minute men's first outing quote headlines from the zone event gave the momentum. And turned what some believed to be nothing more than a publicity stunt into a national movement. The group has since hired lawyers reorganized into separate corporations filed to legally protect a minute man project hired a Washington-based media consultant and started an aggressive fundraising campaign. And representatives of the group have been to Washington to lobby congress in relate the lessons learned from their time on the border. So unless the work continues is just going to be Butte as a dog and pony show said James Gilchrist, one of the minute men leaders when the Arizona project wrapped up he Simcox unabashedly acknowledged that among their chief considerations in Arizona was getting media attention. So if you know one thing about the kind of people who create volunteer militias, it's that they're all impossible assholes who hate each other Simcox and Gilchrist did not get along and less than a month after blowing up, press wise the minute, man. Okay. Yeah. I I'm hung over again. So I'm I'm reading some like shit head listed a month after blowing up in the news. The minute man fractured into two separate groups. Go Chris created minute men Inc. An organization aimed at fighting a legal immigration inside the US by attacking employers violating immigration laws. Simcox ran the minute, man. Civil defence corps or MC DC on paper. The two groups were part of the same larger hole in reality. They had fairly little to do with each other. This worked out great for Chris Simcox because it meant he could solicit donations directly to his group without sharing with Gilchrist by August of two thousand six between sixty thousand and one hundred and thirty thousand people had donated money to fund the M C D's operations, Chris Simcox claim that he'd received over one point six million dollars. He claimed at that point to have more than seven thousand four hundred fifty one cousin Megan tastes or migrant hunters in his personal army. He claims these men had personally delivered thirteen thousand legal aliens to the border patrol Simcox Gilchrist quickly. Nd the attention of powerful forces within the American, right? According to the nation, quote, the cannonball media splash that followed attracted the attention of diner consultants. The Chicago based political consulting and fundraising operation is run. By Phillip, Sheldon, son of the traditional values coalition long. One of the nation's most Pacific anti-gay crusaders diners one cog and Philip Sheldon's revenue generating machine which also includes response and limited a direct mail firm promoted as the nation's best and most comprehensive source of mailing lists for conservative and Christian may lose Intel marketers and perhaps best known for ghoulish Lee purchasing a list of donors to Terry shovels legal fund from her parents several days before her death. Who? What is even cooler another mailing list? That response limited would happily sell to the highest bidder was a list of people who'd subscribe to a now dead magazine called the spotlight spotlight. Third of spotlight's. Yup. Will the spotlight is a literal Neo Nazi news rag that mostly focused on denying the holocaust. By Willis, cargo, founder of the populist party and backer of David Duke. So Chris Simcox was happy to sell access to his mailing list to these these people. Checks out cool. The the didn't care for the Nazi stuff. 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So we were talking about response unlimited people who buy up all the mailing lists. They bought the minute man's mailing list. Or essentially, Chris Cox sold access to that the nation actually managed to find some of the people who purchased access to the minute man's mailing list. It included judge ROY Moore for his failed than aerial campaign. Oliver North's Freedom Alliance and some organization called stop Puerto Rico, statehood. What? They they know they're fucking. Oh my goodness. Data cool. Yeah. Now, most new Griffey's, and Chris Simcox has position would have fucked everything up within six months or less of their first gripped going viral. But Chris is a smart, dude. On April nineteenth two thousand six. He showed up on Fox News as Hannity and Colmes. He stated with zero evidence that three hundred thousand middle easterners had been apprehended entering the country in the last year. This is a clear and present danger. It is the greatest threat to national security and public safety the time for negotiating is over. He then delivered an ultimatum to President George W Bush declare a state of emergency and deploy the national guard and military reserves or by Memorial Day weekend, we're going to break ground, and we're going to start helping landowners to build a double layer security fence along their properties, thus was born fence gate, okay pool. President Bush was forced to send six thousand national guard troops to the border to placate the FOX watching crowd. Chris used the media storm around this to solicit. Even more donations. His plan was to buy up miles of private land along the border and Bill would he called an Israeli style security fence, including six foot trench and concertina wire on top by may ninth. Just a few weeks after his FOX appearance. The vincit raised one hundred seventy five thousand dollars a month later almost four hundred thousand dollars has been donated week by week. The minute man grew more and more tightly woven into the Republican establishment in mid two thousand six it was absorbed into the declaration alliance. A group formed by conservative activist. Alan Keyes in nineteen Ninety-six to fight abortion and gay rights the alliances President Mary Lewis was a former assistant to Bill Kristol editor of the now defunct weekly standard during a minute. Man gathering keys told the assembled militiamen what we're doing here is not just building the fence. We are rebuilding a character. We are redefining a people now and every press appearance in interviews. Simcox has been careful to note that the minute men were nonviolent when Alan Colmes the FOX's now. Dead pocket democrat crush. Chris about the fact that some minute men carried guns on patrol. Kris told him Allan this is a dangerous place. There are drug dealers are group in California yesterday came across some drug mules, one of them carrying an AR fifteen, you know, our volunteers thank God for the second amendment are allowed to defend their lives if they're attacked and when they put themselves in this dangerous situation the same as the men and women of border patrol. They have that right? The reality of the situation is that Chris Simcox Jim Gilchrist in many of their volunteers champing at the bit for an excuse to murder Brown people. I'm going to play an audio clip from documentary footage shot in two thousand four the first person. We're going to hear is Gilchrist available to shoot the Mexicans on site. That would end the problem two-three Mexicans shot. The they'll stop crossing the border and take the cows home too. And here's Simcox I feel that coming across. Fading this country. They should be treated as enemies of mistake. And we need to start putting them in work camps. Anyone could have walked in this in this country, bringing bombs chemicals weapons of mass destruction. I'd ignition shot outside. Yeah. You know, all those migrants bring weapons of mass destruction. Yeah. I I looked into it. Because I wanted to know how many do terrorists Al Qaeda guys have snuck into America through the southern border. It's a it's still zero. It's still zero wandering it's only been eighteen years so fingers crossed changes zero. Now exactly eighteen years after people started. Never know. It's interesting hearing all these people talk. Instead, he's terrible things that many of our public officials say and do and they'll do like the camps like the camps like insinuating that maybe we should shoot them. But we will maybe we maybe we well, but we should. We won't. But but I also like the deterrent. That'll deter them. It's and that's what go Chris said that like if you start you only have to kill a few in it'll deter them. That's literally the same thing. Nazi Tom Metzger said thirty years earlier you start killing a few and it'll stop it. Yeah. Yeah. It's important to note that the minute men, although they wrap themselves in more moderate garb in were very tightly woven into the Republican party. We're just as hateful and had intentions just as violent as the Neo Nazis klansman who preceded them. You know, like people are talking about like Donald Trump. And how like he's look look what he's doing to everybody. Look what he's doing to the public and party. It's interesting. How? It's less than more. He's expression of it. He's he's just the DJ. They were already dancing. He's got up and he pumped up the fucking pump one cream to their rhetoric. He's the if I may borrow a name the spotlight. Yeah. Nice. Maybe a little bit lot. Nice tie-ins here. Yeah. So yes. The in wrap themselves in the notion of protecting America. But what they really wanted was an excuse to murder Hispanics in part two. 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S2 E83: Adam Carolla talks "No Safe Spaces", car racing and more!

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S2 E83: Adam Carolla talks "No Safe Spaces", car racing and more!

"This is the tennis Miller. Option your source of opinion stories and laughs from comedian and activist. Dennis Miller is Guy Friday Christian black laugh and superstar producer Lindsay floors. And now it's Dennis Miller. Welcome to the Dennis Miller show. You're going to be wrapping at you. Holden coins men in the draped over the next forty four minutes. Forty four seconds as curl list stepping in to join US later and SIDECAR CUT BAT MITE Christian black. How are you folks Lindsey over there? I don't know if we WANNA reveal wanted. Wanted this Lindsey Minor. No I'm here. She's out there out there You know once you go on record. Yeah there's no going back. Stray on download. Trust me. You don't want to get involved ugly stuff. I like what Dershowitz paralegals all of a sudden end up here in the cultural cultural fray. Let's see floyd. I've got to ask for a kid. Our friend Adam. Corolla is on the line. Well look at Ace. Is the place for the thoughtful. podcast man thanks for that if you want me to lay that on a track of that play on bumpers. More than what. Ace is the place for the thoughtful. PODCAST Uh My friend that song now like way too SIS gender and you can't do that anymore. They won't ace. Doesn't use the helpful hardware man anymore. It's like the helpful hardware thing or so. They they got rid of it. I believe it's helpful hardware folks by the way which I think that's well they're bringing it back because they're transitioning out of American sizing in the metrics and and so they're able to bring it back transsexual matter and get along we're talking to curl up and he is As I've often said I considering a latter day will rogers beautiful pragmatism And it is Wrapped brilliant intellect so. I always liked that. Mix when somebody's astute and they get it and they see it and yet they're able to wheel it out in a proletariat manner. I always love that mix. But he's working in tandem with prater who I loved to Dennis Prager and their film. No safe spaces is now in theaters. For Showtime's more information go to know safe. APES SPACES DOT COM Adam. Explain the concept of the. I'm aware of to my listeners. Explain the film. Well your listeners should be familiar with Dennis Dennis prager but if if not he's just a great mind and I've always been a fan of his and we had been doing some engagements just going around the country and doing a couple of projects together speaking engagements things like that and some producers came up to us and said you WANNA do a project with Dennis prager and I like like spending time with the man so much I mean. He is my second favorite tennis after all that I jumped at the chance lever by the way clouds thin and and dual as long as. We're taking a deep dive on weaver. Oh you you a wheel man must have loved just for the downshift fully track. Yes so it's a story and it's a it's a it's a documentary but it stylized. It's not a sort of talking head boring documentary about what's going on. In this country with free speech on campuses episodes it many many folks from the right and many folks from the left who van Van Jones and Alan Dershowitz and folks like that just all kind of got together on the subject of free speech. No Pregnancy Ju- yes. That was just for me now. The thing tell tell me Adam. Can you ever believe that it has come to this. What do you remember when you were eighteen? How you were trying to market yourself in life by bit a bit of a Piss or it aspired us and like nothing was sacred and indeed? What when I sit down I think what have we wrought or not me? But what is the culture rot. High School Teachers Grade School Teachers College professors that kids here a different opinion on on campus and feel they have to go to a room where there calming paintings on the wall and white noise being typed it. What the fuck? How did this go wrong? Well first off. I wish they would just go to a room and start a car from the seventies and shut the door on the people from speaking. I wish it was his passive is going to room with a Huggy Buki in it and you. Yeah mark drying your tears with it but it's not they stop these people from sharing their opinion. By the way you WanNa talk about impassively what an attitude I mean could you. You imagine this is all part of the self esteem movement this is all a byproduct of self esteem. Could you imagine you're nineteen wandering around campus and and realizing there was a voice coming to your campus that you disagreed with. Did you think that you had the right to silence that voice. That's insane you would've never ever had thought I would have never been on the campus in the first place. I was on a construction site but even then when I was nineteen I didn't I had to write to tell anyone that they couldn't ensure their opinion and I had this interesting thought that I'd like to share with you Dennis. 'cause I think you would appreciate it. Maybe uniquely weekly. When you're talking about what happened? What has happened to our culture? Where could you imagine when we were kids? I was thinking about this the other day when I was the kid and I measure the culture sort of by TV commercials because TV commercials are sort of a snapshot of the culture if you go back to the fifties and see TV commercials or sixties and you see a wife who wanted to commit suicide because her husband asked for a second cup of coffee but another woman. Another man's wife name she wanted to commit. Harry Kerry. Could you imagine that in our society today. Well now all. The commercials shows are Subaru. It's made with love. They're not talking about mileage powertrain warranty or bond rise steel. They're talking about love. There is no more other statistics about this offroad vehicle other than it's made with love but all right so dig this concept. When I was I was a kid and I would stay home from school which I did as much as I could and I would watch one of the three or four channels available on television and it was noon on a Thursday? Every single commercial was a truck driving school. It'd be Wally Thorp school at truck any go. You WanNA get your clancy driver's license. I'll hit the open road in eighteen. We learned two weeks. Make a good living driving a truck or would be small appliance repair repair or it would be learning to work in a doctor's world like some sort of nurse assistant something. They were all geared toward getting a job because because everyone who was home on a Thursday at noon didn't have a job and that's where the commercials were now. Every commercial is about a Class Action Chin lawsuit that you should joy welcome powder for sue your boss for wrongful termination or discrimination Asia and I thought wow. This is how we've turned as it used to be. You want a job now. It's don't leave the SOFA. Pick up your phone in sue. Somebody and I was thinking. What can we look forward to twenty years from now when my kid is sitting on the Sofa watching TV during the day during the daytime? What would the commercials like like? Would it be some attorney just saying as your boss asks you to do. Stop Sue his ASS. Yes it is going to be that the film film will be the Commercial Lane. Two minutes and fifteen minutes in between the film segments will be filled with this shit. Yes we've turned into into a completely fucked up wash. Dot spineless impotent Grievance Junkie thing it used to be when you met people you put at your best foot forward now. It's all about how you've been fucked by life. It's now about put your club foot forward and it is so crazy at this point that it makes me shake my head and want to build a bigger wall and only go out once a week to get mint Milana's and get back to the compound. It is crazy it's it's It is is and I. It's funny because this whole victim culture thing it's so weird it's so it's so attractive to some people in so repugnant and others you know but unfortunately it's attractive to an ever growing number of people and it's obviously scary and it's also kind of a thing where we you wouldn't have crossed that line and calls yourself a victim a number of years ago but the more the people that have crossed that line become victims the more people joined be and think about it sort of like people. There's the large group of our society who would like to wear flip flops on a commercial flight but they formerly wouldn't because no one else. Did you got in a few flights and saw some other lazy shits and flip flops. Next time they went fucking. I'm wearing my flip flops. And that's kind of how that's how we are as a society and it's now it's we've now jumped the shark Christ. I got on a flight to do by the other day. There was a shetland. Pony therapy therapy horses in. Flip flops next to me. That's not fucked up. It's that time of the year again. Time to share smiles and good times with friends and family and of course exchange gifts. How's about you giving yourself a gift? The gift of self confidence. How do you get it by having straighter brighter? Teeth with help from candidate candidates a liners can help straighten your teeth faster and cheaper than traditional wire braces treatment takes six months on average and cost sixty five percent less an experienced orthodontist honest who licensed in your state creates custom treatment. Plan then they show you a three d preview so you can see how your teeth will look after you're done. Candidates aligns comfortable portable removable and completely invisible. 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But will I am at his headphones on and you know I don't get that thing up front on planes. I don't think it's going to wreck the plane but I- Christ it just go along long to get along. I'm trying to move it along. They take your headphones off. He said they were racist. And I thought. Oh for Christ's sake how far out of your way do you have to the go-to season that You know let me tell you the real white privilege. They're real white privilege. Whoa that you are aware of that? And that I benefit from its white privilege. It's knowing that there are many more a holes than racism. I've said this many times I I've lived in eight or ten different houses around California in my adult life. I if I was black I would assume that I had at least seven racist neighbors. I've had neighbors that have called Department of building and safety safety on me when I was pruning hedge. I've had neighbors. That have called the cops because I had a New Year's party showed up at eight thirty in the afternoon. If I was real we'll I am. I would think that these neighbors were racist. But they're just a holes and any white person who's been stopped by cop because they had a limo tint or because they didn't have a front license plate or whatever has the privilege of knowing the COP. It's just an a hole. It's not racism and that's why if you Ask any black person. Have you experienced racism. They say yes because really what they're experiencing is someone being an A-hole to them for no perceive reason which is why we know that's a daily occurrence. I had a neighbor call on me. What's better because the recycling cling Ben was the wrong color? I really liked your right if that had been will I am. I guess he would have claimed that it was and I always I think it's so Done Grachev to actual racism which is such an ugly creature to say. Can you take your headphones off. Is All of a sudden over in Rosa parks. Land is just. It's so it's it's decided rather I have been fond of saying this lately. There's never her been a better time to be an actual racist because you'll just explain. You'll just be lumped. In with the stewardess on the flight George Lincoln Rockwell in a fitted sheet with a burning. Crows is now exactly the same as the four flight. It said it said place you have to take this year and I think they're all the same person I I don't know if there's degrees like there are taekwondo black bouts but you still are blackout. You're still a racist. There's now maybe that guy's a third degree and she's just a first degree but she's still a race brother. I don't know if you've heard but that's been traded out to African American belt so you're in trouble just for saying black does. The film is no safe spaces. The website is no safe spaces. Dot Dot com you can find out them curls show at Adam Corolla DOT com. It is the state of the art. podcast yeah on a selfish note for you you. I have a couple of good racing. Docs on Netflix ex have one on Carroll Shelby and one on Ford versus Ferrari Aria Atlema all the twenty four hour war that I think your audience and and you would would enjoy as well Damon Christian Bale theatrical presentation the Obviously Watch both ears. Did you like it. Yeah it's a very good movie and we did the dock version of that movie three two years ago and we just finished the Carroll Shelby doc which of course Matt Damon Playing Carol Shell so We were sort of ahead of the curve on it and you know the movies good and if you WanNa see the real story you can check them out on Netflix. Or you can go to chassis. C. The H. A. S. S. Y.. Dot Com. That's where we have all our racing. Docs you'll have folks Adams his attention to detail. The Paul Newman. I think it's called. Oh Paul Newman race car driver. So it's not. Paul Newman active. Wh what did you call it. I loved the title winning the racing. Life Paul Newman racing life of fall. Newman yeah and it's a brilliantly done really is the Arrow Morris of this that niche market. Nobody treats it more delicately are more thoughtfully early and it's appropriate but those guys do absolutely unbelievable. I will be watching those two ace. It is good to talk to you and you have a merry Christmas my friend. Thank you and We will talk at you done. Rode the Great Adam. Corolla always enjoy talking to him. He's between the thirteen podcasts asked. He's recording today so he's probably driving between studio to studio so he does do on now. You know he'll do forget just carpentry podcast. Now that'll be you're on the wainscoting. Our Oh it's time for the Crown Molding Roundtable coral these are both collins. Write them down. I'm sure he'll be doing settled. The over here doing the Dennis Miller podcast option and or whatever once again I am an influence sir. Holiday they season is upon us. 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The quintessential disrupted that I see Rasmussen and another poll today. Blanking on the name but a pretty good one has trumpets thirty. Four point five percent of likely black voters favoring trump. Why did not see that long? But if that's the case Liberals better just get in the keebler tree and fucking crazy. Glue the door shut friendly unle inside because it is over for them. If that's true there's a one word answer as to. Why Konya there you go plus Baltimore Detroit New Orleans stacking up a few things on that sign going to second we've given them untethered allegiance for Over a half century. Now what's the yield the next thing you're gonNA tell me Chicago's not safe. This is crazy. Talk what you're doing so I think that might be settling in and and I say Connie is a big help to Just saying fuck. I'm off the liberal plantation and Good for him. And the also trump His sort of pragmatism. I think plays well with people. Don't know bullshit when they see it and I think I think they're. They're starting to look at guys like look at somebody like Hillary Clinton and go the fuck does Hilary Clinton Out Gore. Know about my life kills me like she's the conductor on the underground railroad or something. You think trump talks Turkey. Is there anything funnier than trump coming on front of black people and saying what do you got to lose but kills me. How brilliantly pragmatic that is what did I see trump over the weekend he Uh vaping roundtable with young people. Did you see that. I didn't actually see it but I you know I've seen like a like I just thought how brilliant is it. I don't know enough about vaping. Ain't GonNa see what this is about Honored that dog today. who was the hero dog? He's doing a lot of a little little bit rudy. Giuliani's broken glass thing. Broken Windows Young. Where the sum becomes the whole becomes the some of the smaller alert parts? And he's laying in very proletariate Hoy black community disenfranchise people Hispanic. Just little tidbits. The I guess. They think they've got him and that'll show I mean I wonder if they'll come out of this fever dream they end are in if he wins again. But did you realize that an obviously it's eleven months right. I mean you can't tell anything in this world eleven eleven months or not I might as well be another century another planet but at this moment if they really think they've got him he's down and out for next year boy that'll show you how fevered they are by nature. Because I don't think he is I I. I'm not even seeing polling. That's all that different than Obama's you know like I said I think these playoff drives drives congenial in the NFL Probably in the last month of the season when somebody just starts nailing and also for God's Sakes Joe Flacco won a super the ball Joe flacco on before in front end of that four week. Run has been Joe FLACCO quite frankly all all of a sudden it was Joe. FLACCO was for a month and it got twenty million a year out of it for ten years or something but it's not congealed yet but certain wow is that a lawn muskie look so that he could fat. Do you have the standing in front of some fucking stealth bomber. Oh this is the. It's obviously. This was the deliberate right. Yeah I I mean. That's such a brilliant. Listen if he comes up if he pulls that thing out and and it looks like the same sort of truck that the left talking about can't go into the inner cities and the the militarization of the police and I'm I'm these can exist in this world because gas us all shut if Ilan mosque one of the golden haired boys of the left to a large edged agree on the I don't know his political affiliation. I certainly think they loved to thump their chests. And say you've got Who Do you Mike? Rowe from dirty jobs. We've got a Alah. Musk if he brings that out and they throw an and people were scared of it to begin with they go wait a second didn't sigourney weaver and Bill Paxton go down to the surface of the planet and not and aliens to now and then they throw. Can you imagine the bad. Pr that he gets from that community. If they eight throw a fucking metal ball that anger scrim is the tall dude used in Phantasm at the window and bounces off Christine. Can you not hear or the This'll be sold to the cubs. They'll be using it to run us into under the jack-booted Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. It's perfect play. It's genius play. I'd I never think of him as a genius. Except that's genius. I think it was a smart guy but if he that window so easily crashed in right eight and a guy didn't exactly you know Billy Wagner the ball right did he. I don't think so. It just Kinda you know hoisted little our order thing little shotput shatters. The window caves it in. I was seeing old. Do you think they hadn't tested that. Of course he does that to cut the edge on the whole worm actors thing so Pretty brilliant play there but all that is by the boards because he's got a fat ass now to he's that's it's the ultimate concession to fit in nowadays to be thought of as a real influence or is the the Utah Jazz so I didn't realize that until right now I I didn't realize I was an influence at Walter winchell hitting me take Nicki Menaj look like the ridler what I did. I did the poll that you rather references from all across the vistas. Put them together. And then they'll call me Mr the police myself Sir. Fuck Electric cars to fucking kidding me now you could drive them for like one hundred miles. What whoa you're telling me this is free? We kinda jerk off system. Is this that. I've got a car that uses fossil fuel which by the way is much better for the planet then an electric fuel bread of a power grid entirely comprised almost due to the fact that the China Syndrome came at eight hundred years ago out of coal. Oh plants up and down the northeast corridor. Burn coal to make electricity so I get You know That's what they're putting into the system. I just use some gasoline and how the fuck is that. I have to pull up and in Montecito where I live. Sometimes it's four fifty and a gallon and yet because your surrogate Wayne Green you get the pull up to a stick in the fucking corner. The parking lot and get freebies. Is that the case. That's exactly for that exactly so not only buying your gas but you're paying for What a pokes it all turned into shit? Fake like you still believe in. It's the fit in but it's all shit don't it has to be run onto the rocks. That's coming probably not in your lifetime but You know liberals and you know that whole sorta socialism movement will eventually crash it. It'll crash the world's economy than our economy will get eight now. I don't think it's happening right away. But in the meantime if you're going to thrash about some cash put away and you know. 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So what I wanted to reference earlier you mentioned because this is a good time to go back to that it's From Emerson College and it is thirty. Four point five percent Support for the president trump likely black lawyers and it also had his overall approval up to forty eight from forty three from their previous previous poll. So you know this is a that is a fairly well known institution as far as I can tell so that's Those are those numbers. And that's where they come. I say they still impeach him or vote to impeach him in a house because they're smart enough to realize that listened forty percent forty five percent of the people demand. That all right. Yeah I think so. They want that and she's betting that the the margin they need another five or six a stupid enough that they won't know what that means. Yeah and I can't say that she's wrong. You know that people always laugh at Jaywalking and all that stuff where people got streets. I used to mind that horrifying. Yeah Yeah you know when people they'd say who You know who's George Washington or they show picture of George Washington and say who is this Barbara Bush. You know people never fucking is that the the spinks that's Leon spinks. What was his brother Mike? Yeah I can't remember. Leon did a number on alley but then I think you'll walk them the next time but I remember Mike spinks stepping in as a late late heavy cruiser versus Tyson just thinking ss raw. Right here. This I don't give a shit. How for Reed Richards can stretch the hall? Kits them you know. It's like a pair undies. where the rubber band breakthrough richards ironically? Weekly saved money on underwear because he didn't have to buy them with a stretch band the waistline he bought misfit underwear. I think there's a site. Isn't there recall. Tommy one where you can get it from other countries and It's has no but Reid Richards. Richards didn't need that. Need elastic waist line was underpins. What else do we got? We've got his voicemail. So this is from Justin in Philadelphia. It's referencing the show a couple of weeks ago. This is just in. I'm from Philadelphia. What's the guy's name this just in just in from Philadelphia? He was referencing. This show where I arrived a few minutes late. And you made small says about you Lynagh. No it's about you but you made small talk for a few minutes before a little stilted because I Lindsay so nice ice. Yeah that I couldn't get poisoned like I use that. She's she's she's good coming in at the end and when she periodically Fling Scott that always wonderfully funny. But I can't go to her as poisoned can go to you because she enjoys life. She's not she's not even close to broken yet. I mean she's in fact negative exposure. Dale Carnegie no matter how down I am on it I can go to you and think well this fuckers looking up at me Komo on a recent episode or a recent episode and Wendy had to start show in place of Christian. Not since when Tim took over for Phil Jackson in Chicago has been tasked with replacing such an unquestioned legendary Alan like when he was the recently test with oddly enough. Phil's trying offense and Christians trained shaped food intake equally hard. Act To follow Lindsey Lindsay. Did it. Well we'd go lind sanity. Call the GO-TO Harold. Golden the Sting Ray Roulston in a nice work shoes. What is he likes to play? Cards on Gago. Limited cheats cuts in twos and threes new and takes a drag smoking. I I gotta get proper. That brother what was his name that just in from philly brother got to give that a ten to Scott all of it. That's fucking Reggie Jackson hitting the generator in Minnesota. Just clock that can you talk to Lindsay for second one. I was GonNa ask if you need the right back. So obviously Lindsey. We WanNa make sure that everybody knows that the place to leave a voicemail is eight six six five zero nine ranch. That's eight six six five zero nine seven two six eight but Lindsay. What should people know about their voicemail? Once it's left there that I am the one receiving people always think it's me I don't like I haven't heard you know people. Hey listen to voicemail at such and such a time and I'm like great I'll let Lindsay no but I don't I don't listen. No it's it's not in my contract I don't I don't have to so they don't do it. Well I'm just a nice person like we've established. And that's the thing. Because when the microphones on your very nice when we turn it off you are not being so nice. My teeth came out. Yeah all right settle down. I mean I'm trying to be like you. Well you're heading in the wrong direction. You have hope dreams youth vibrancy friends. You have an active social calendar. None of these things would Make you anywhere near me but Lindsay if people WANNA follow you on the the social media how would they find you. My name is Lindsay K.. Floyd Lindsay with an e back. Hey who's an. It's time to play the game. All of America's stock in about was that of slow acer a fast. Do some your host. I'm going to say fast. Does Dennis the fast as these two women on Fox right now are thanks. Yeah it's like the the complete book ends on the female experience. This woman looks like professor. Excellent Goitre and a bad rug and the other one's like Penelope Cruz entire female experiences bracketed here. Well we've got some more. I I would like to play some more because you know we haven't gotten to a lot of them in the recent weeks. Ed McMahon drunk. They're on tonight. been there you. How can I go down to the San Diego Zoo? Yes sure you do you want me to get your car out here. Greatest cars alight over protests. The three Martini lunch. He's always crying about this. I went down to the San the eagles you don't go down. He's getting motion curses Saddam. Really now it's okay. You want me to get army. Ought here folks. It's on Youtube. I think I have an old VHS Copy of put a couple of things that are on VHS kissed. You can't play them anymore right. I've you have it. You can still buy VHS player he might have to get it. Secondhand but I Have Ron Johnson staying up. Get on up here motherfucker increasing that guy with a guitar. Oh Yeah Yeah. But that's a comedian. Right I don't remember. I can't remember his sweetest guy but he flipped one night. got into it with a crowd and drunk and said the you're not up here motherfucker motherfucker and takes his guitar until creases with it. Honk and You hear the whole crowd gopher. I don't know who was his name. Kenny more Kenny. More polls the guitar back and it's just the bridge the neck and he looks at the crowd and you could tell you realize completely. WHO'S THE GUY on Cleveland? Browns you know snapped with Mason Rudolph of him with how many he said that and he pulls a Baggie as well he had come on folks and is is with me and you hear a guy in a credit. No that was wrong. And Ron looks at realizes he's pregnant. Spent a couple of days in jail and it's comedian cruise over and he's a medium team for the rest of the time he goes. Okay chose over very watching it I am so I have to turn it off because I'm very distracted. No no no go ahead watch it turn it up a little. Can I hear it. Let me get let me get to that part of sort of waiting for the the proverbial money shot but Yeah I can Well he kind of goes with the guitar on the side which is not the part that you would elkabbach somebody with because that could really you come in sideways all of a sudden. You're opening up yourself to Adam's apple cracking that trait move shows of believe it or not. I actually had that guitar. Ktar my possession for all somebody bought it for me. That's a that's a true friend. I can't remember how that happened but somebody somebody sent it to me. Not like an unknown fan of friend of mine said I got this from after the Kennedy thing that you'd like to have it unless I'm I'm going to complete Brian Williams thing here but I swear to God somebody sent me. That gave it away to somebody is possible. It sounds impossible but it was so fresh then. I don't think that it had been lodged in you know that's an essence now is a brutal film of I mean it during a fucking Foca target. Somebody's cranium if I if I worked in that club I definitely would have saved that. You know how important that was getting. Bobby Thomson's ball. I don't mean the ball hit Bobby Thompson later in life and a stickler thing the but Richard it would help him with that and he was always supporting him they took. Bobby's ball thing the episode. They took probably. I WANNA play another voicemail because because it's from a big time celebrity Alex from Danny's Hoagies and Pennsylvania. Oh God is Alex calling from Danny's Hoagies and DEFA Park. Pa Yea just wanted to say. I'm a big fan of everything that you do Listen on your podcast the other day and somebody I guess incorrectly told you. The Danny's was closed. We are back. Open my uncle is Daniel row six senior He sold the business to me. And I'm trying to do my best to continue his legacy. We'd love to have the out here some time Keep up the great work of two seasons Lau. We'll if you catch this one man. Tell me how to get in touch with you. Not only 'cause I can order some but also. How can we publicize? That's the Best Sandwich ever folks if you're listening to this and you're ever in Pittsburgh Danny's I don't know they still call it. Danny's parkview pizza. That's what we call our young. He he referred to it as Danny's hoagies so all right. Well listen I go way back because it's new. I'm glad he's picked up the family tradition here because it is a dollar sandwich but I swear to God when I was young we used to call. Danny's parkview pizza. We'd go out. It was above the South Park drive in and South Park drive in. The second movie was always Bobby Joni outlaw with March coordinator and Linda Carter and we'd time run to get I'd get a two pieces of the Square pizza a little thicker square. What is called Sicilian? nope yes. Alias Elliott said Neapolitan. Or whenever and Danny's a hoagie and lemon blend that quite frankly. One of those Pearl divers can aneurysm and getting to the bottom of them so big. It had undertow. And we'd sit down. We time our run. So we'd see Linda Carter take her top off and you'd see your breath and I always go in and do you guys have. But that's the only thing that announce go to that place unbelievable sandwich and Danny's hoagies and Pittsbur- we've did to hear it's open man. I was panicked because I'm dynamite onto my last one. So if you're listening to this brother call in and tell me how you can get a hold of you just order. I like to order him. By what do I get the last time maybe ten or something put them in the freezer. Can I tell you these things as good as they are and I always make couple that night They free so well. They actually send tomato and some iceberg lettuce. And there's something about the mix there I don't screw up but I have held onto them so long that even the the iceberg lettuce goes brown and I have to go out and get out of You know out of a dumpster. Yeah I I have to go outside the family of lettuce heads and get some real lettuce and even it holds up that bringing a Mongrel grow lettuce into the fold Aslis men goes. Hey Christian crest right here. Christmas stocking stuffer gift. Write this down now bib lettuce bibs bibs for your child but made out of some sort sort of fabric that simulates bib lettuce bitter lettuce. bibs there's another thing you never going to do Sammy as what we make not. Well we make our stand. There's where we make we went up. Sammy's coming up this week. We're going for hike hiking show. Oh yeah so I got a call from Sammy's coming up here to visit the Santa Barbara some other fronts and not visiting me. No rally wanted to hike with me for purposes the show. I need to dance for my dinner. A little more Maureen O'Hara fucking hunchback so well. I would say that that is our time Dennis. Merry Christmas thanks. For listening to the Dennis Miller option exclusively inclusively on Westwood one dune into new episodes every Tuesday Thursday on the Westwood one APP Westwood One dot Com and on apple podcasts and remember to rate took review and share until next time. That's the show and we are out of here from the Westwood. One podcast network work.

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Don't miss the labor day sale. Buy one get one fifty fifty percents off our top ancient stained brands now through monday only at ace participating stores limit to paint and stains can't be combined delivery subject to availability dot com for details us <hes> because he knows he doesn't mean it. I mean i'm not here to say he's a white nationalist or a white supremacist but he certainly only as a racist and to me that is indisputable so he will never be able to feel genuinely those words of remorse or regret or empathy for the people in either place david messia tra. I remember quite well during the bush administration how how not president bush himself but some of his more fulsome supporters would often accuse critics of the iraq war of harboring an anti-american the american sentiment or advocating a soft on terrorism approach to national security i would again. I'm giving don't democrats a lot of free advice tonight. I would say that the democrats need to elevate their language to meet the urgency of the crisis of trump's taylor of leadership. We now know that his own department of justice in two thousand eighteen put out a report identifying white extremist extremist groups as comprising the greatest terror threat facing the nation every extremist murderer in that year was committed by a white supremacist pharmacist or a white nationalist and that trump had the report buried so that's not that is racism and i agree with you but that's also soft left on terrorism. That's also an anti-american policy because as we've seen with the worst possible evidence loved ones planning funerals right now as we've seen with the worst possible evidence the lives of americans are at stake and trump needs to answer what he considers more important political callixte in the form of pleasing his base or protecting the lives of more innocent americans space than what he said this week and again. It was awful teleprompter and i agree with you. There's a big difference when he speaks off a teleprompter. He talks slower. He gets down south. He looks and sounds older. Veneers is when he's just winging it from. It clearly doesn't sound like it's coming from the heart so my question to you chris as a republican i mean can can the republicans win an election without appealing to some elements of your of your base republican base. That might be racist assist. Can you win an election that first of all. I'm no dummy for many years since you were children right and we still heart and and i've been on the program before david i i don't i think that trump is a racist. Racism was never part of the trump portrait until he started to run for president in new york city the people who knew him best saw him as a figure that was working overtime to women into construction to get blacks into construction to find hispanics and other minorities order and bring them into construction into his projects. He was recognized as such. He's the only president entire history to have been <hes> feted and recognized is doing the same stages rosa parks and so i personally checked the idea that he is a racist but i understand that folks have sincerely held beliefs on the other side now having said that i agree with you that when he's reading off the teleprompter doesn't sound like it comes from the heart i think that he is. He's a very strange politician titian. He's unusual and he doesn't have some of the abilities that say a bill clinton or even a george w bush had or even barack obama but but does does he know and and maybe that steve bannon teach him how to appeal. You and i would never wanna go to cocktail. I i have never i have never felt that appeal to those people. I don't want to have anything to do with them and republican party or the conservative movement kick them out nineteen fifty five under the leadership of bill buckley both the line rand types and the <hes> george lincoln rockwell types so all of those people were kicked out of conservative movement sixty years ago seventy years ago and so i don't i don't see anything that i trump has done as welcoming them but i think i'd honestly think that there are a lot of folks in the national media and there are a lot of folks at the national democratic democratic party level who are intent on using scare tactics as i believe they have consistently over the last scare tactic eh aerostat defined character as habitual action so rack. President trump has habitually made racist remarks and enacted racialist policy. We can go back to the announcement of the candidacy in which she disparaged mexican and immigrants is bringing crimes drugs rapists and some of them are good people was the qualification he added his disparagement of a judge judge as being unable to adjudicate a case because of mexican heritage his coddling of white nationalist after the charlottesville murder her his disparagement of predominantly black cities as hell holes this is this is a pattern this habitual vitual so i would just ask you and i have no question or no reason to question your sincerity. What would trump have to do to meet that standard for you. I mean would it require a cross burning on the white house lawn or or the use of the word you want to jump in and then we want to jump in live. Hello my hope as i said from the beginning is indisputable. This is not up for debate. I'm not debating whether donald trump is a racist. He's a racist i. I'm a black person and he's a racist when he talks about foreign countries that are african another black and he calls them shithole countries when he says to the n._f._l. Players because they took a knee that tell that son of a bitch to go back where he came from fire hire him fire him thought that's cold. That's cold. We already all know what that is. That's dog whistling that means go back to africa. We know that does the same a mantra that they said in the sixties goal back to africa. That's what he was saying to. These women the congresswoman when he was saying and go back to your rep rat infested crime infested gang infested places where you came from that was baltimore. They'll they'll those i in between the battle be- with with the congressman from maryland congressman he was saying to them go back where they came from but then he he went on to elaborate with elisa cummins cummins when he went into the rat infested it was no difference it what he was saying the same thing and he it launched his political career ingratiating himself to a certain hideous part of the american electorate with birtherism claimed he had investigators instigators in hawaii and they were finding things. You wouldn't believe we're still waiting on that report that every black person has lower i._q. So i saw on maxine waters nor i keep them and and fredricka wilson lower i._q. So every yeah every time you're talking about a black person person there are lower acuity who's more lower. I q than him. That's red okay. I'm down to about a minute here and that's okay and that's okay. I certainly don't anybody sincerity either. I i would say that. The textual references are actually not accurate. I really truly believe that and i would direct everybody's attention especially your facebook listeners to steve cortez and his explication of the statement about charlottesville. Let's fill on this. Week's prager you video. I think it is very significant. I've been over the text of the announcement statement. In fact i sat at the city club here urge gago across the table from trump when he had lunch and spoke at the city club a week after he wrote down the elevator. We talk the letter. We talked about it. It was a topic of conversation there at the table and i think that that has been widely misreported misinterpreted et cetera et cetera now you say the things about them the n._f._l. Players and you say the things about about the say the the female members of congress. I think the female members of congress were told old and i i don't. I don't go for this and i would never say. I've never said anything like it and i'm never gonna say anything like it but i think if you if you take what he was saying even if you're so smart you know go back. Fix your country then. Come back and tell us how it works. I don't think he was saying go back and never come back and that's that's not on the tape. I think they're going to to begin with but i think that you're looking at statements that he has said and one of the things that you have to accept what this guy got back. Run-through keeping in touch with family and friends or reaching public safety officials can be challenging during power outages. If telecom networks works are affected by severe weather or other conditions the f._c._c. recommends following these guidelines call nine one one only when necessary and limit nonemergency z. calls avoid repetitive reviling to minimize network congestion. 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That was a republican so if you're saying we'll tonight it's like democrats and only one republican you're white but we have a very strong republican first roles. I'd say let's let david math. That's reduced himself to the audience david all right. Hello everyone great to be with you. My name is david massey. Oh tre i'm i may columnist with salon dot com and author of four books the two most recent of which are mellencamp american troubadour and and barack obama invisible man. I'm currently writing the fifth book. I am somebody wi- jesse jackson matters okay and let's. Let's go to chris roebling for people that don't remember you good evening. Everybody thanks for watching. My name is chris ruling and i've had the privilege of being on the program often on for many years. We're not going to start counting but i think i go back a long way. Three decades three decades plus yeah and hand del marie cobb deva with this marine. Thank you bruce and i'm double recombination. I'm a political consultant. I consider myself a progressive so you actually may have to progressives on the on the show but i've worked for a lot of presidential all the way down to alderman <hes> campaigns throughout my career including the jesse jackson nineteen eighty percents was this national traveling press secretary and then i was his sons <hes> director of communications when he ran in the special election in ninety five now you were also your with an organization called legacy. <hes> i to be wellesley. Awesome explain to ida is why it's important that that she'd be remembered and then you have a benefit coming up this coming week well. I'd be wells as actually my hero grow and i'm fortunate enough that the block i live on in chicago is right. I live right across the street from her house and i've i lived on that block for fifty years and she was republican so well. Most black people were at that time so she helped elect the first republican alderman in in chicago oscar de priest and nine hundred fifteen so you know that she was an extraordinary woman she was independent. She was fierce. She was strategist. She was a suffrage est. She was a and we all know the anti lynching campaign paying which is how she came to fame but she took no prisoners she did not compromise so there were black people who didn't like her specifically black men because she would not compromise and then the white women who she fought to help push voting rights for women didn't like her because they she still it was black so they wanted her to sit back in the bus and she was like no. I'm not sitting at the back of the bus now. The benefit of a benefit coming up it's a nonprofit organization organization and you're going to be showing a film called. Lincoln is crying. It's a new film has not been officially released yet. <hes> hopefully hopefully you'll be seeing it on public television soon <hes> i will just say <hes>. I am in the film periodically as a political advisor. It's about all the corrupt politicians asians in the state of illinois and what's unique about it and you're going to be screening it at a benefit coming up this coming thursday the fifteenth so we have a pack called ida's legacy which is named after i had to be wells and the whole idea behind the pack is to support and develop progressive african american women candidates and so for our summer mixer we're showing showing the film lincoln as crying because the whole premise of the pack and in the legacy of either be wells is the speak truth to power and so that event is coming up thursday august fifteenth at columbia college. Give the phone number nice and slow and then we're going to move on okay and the phone number is yes three one two nine four eight nine nine five one okay very good. Thank you <hes> i want to switch gears and go to the other one of the other big stories and that is you know. The president visited <hes> both in ohio and in in texas <hes> presidents. It's no matter who they are. They always get some criticism for going to places like that because either they overplay it. <hes> in this particular case there were there were demonstrations nations against the president and they're certainly wasn't at least in ohio. There wasn't a friendly in a local political figure that was welcoming. <hes> did it did he. Did he blow this. This one did the one photograph where malani is holding the orphan orphan right of two people that were murdered in el paso did that one picture destroy all any goodwill plus the thumbs up did that destroy any goodwill that the president was trying to i don't i don't think it destroyed all of the goodwill but but i think that <hes> you know reference our comments earlier. I just think that president trump is a very unusual force in american politics. He represents a lot of alien nation. He represents a lot of anger. He represents a lot of folks feeling like the the system they supported turned against them and left them by the side of the road to serve coastal elites and he says a lot of things and to to be e-eh something as somber serious sad and significant as el paso and to talk about you know his rally in el paso so whatever it is eighteen days ago. It's just unfortunate but that's the kind of guy he is and that's what we've got and i think that if if if i can finish what i was trying to say before i believe that trump's policies relative to folks of all strata all all all levels of society whether they're black white around whatever is far more beneficial for folks who have i've had to face adversity in the past and i believe those policies like liberating children in these democrat controlled cities from these massive bureaucratic education non educational institutions like the chicago public schools or like the baltimore more public schools is indicative of a serious sincere policy concern and personal determination the nation that does it. You might say oh well. It's it's it's windows it doesn't it doesn't necessarily help this base that that bruce was alluding alluding to i it helps to conservatives in the base because that's why we oppose big government solutions because they tend to trample on at least among you've given a lot of intellectual responses but when you get right down to be the lack of smarts the lack of empathy finance commonsense finesse this is a guy that grew up with you know with with with a silver spoon in his mouth and and and went to good schools surrounded himself i mean this guy was taught. You know to raise the pinky finger when he was ten years old but my questions uh-huh someone. Oh whether it's even someone on the staff. How does someone on the staff not realized that having the first lady holding an orphan hyphen who was orphaned by two of the victims at el paso and they have the president's smiling would his thumb. How is the there isn't somebody on that staff that can say it to slow him down or or kick him in the head and say wake up guy you use your you're defeating all the good all the good people who are who want to support you and and because they like your policies. You're kicking him in the face. You're you're putting them in a defensive position in any conversation you have with decent people around the world because he's acting like a goofball you. We use the keyword empathy. One of the greatest qualities of president trump is his exhibitionism and i don't mean in that in the physical sense thank god but politically in terms of his personality. He's constantly exposing himself so people have use the word sociopathic to describe trump and that's a clinical term. They're referring perhaps using the word loosely to a deficit of empathy an inability to sympathize with people when he takes that photo he provides confirmation of that idea. I think that point point is overdrawn when he when he's talking with a woman whose family was murdered by isis in the oval office and never even says i'm sorry for your loss he stares straight ahead and then turns to her and says and you wanna nobel prize it makes him appear as if he's incapable of feeling the slightest sensitivity tivoli for people who have lost everything people who are suffering or go to puerto rico and throw paper that people i mean all those things it happens over and over and over again and it's not the same thing each time. It's a different wing and but in your case because you've got a lot of staff half work over the years. This is beyond staff work. Oh it the answer to bruce's. Question is the husband of kellyanne conway. Yes maybe at the cost of that. Marriage is playing that role and i don't think that trump can write that off or ignore it or you know sort of <hes> flippantly dismissed it. He understands the george. Conway is one one of the most gifted attorneys in the nation happens to be a republican happens to be married to kellyanne happens to be a person of extraordinary ordinary quality and extraordinary capability and so george conway will get on and attack the president and this is just another bizarre element in this whole main lodge. We've got in front of us politically but i wanna tell you what you talk about empathy and i don't i i don't mean to i'm gonna sound partisan in here. Where is the empathy and consigning kids in baltimore to fifteen high schools in which not one a child is performing in math at grade level fifteen high schools and i'm just talking about the fifteen high schools that are in the area of the congressman congressman those fifteen high schools have not one chai and their and their enrollment is ninety nine point nine nine percent african american there. We have all the credit back when we come back. We're gonna talk ice raids in mississippi hi. I'm ryan samba and i wanna wanna tell you about miracle the musical. It's fired by twenty sixteen champion chicago cubs. It's one of the best productions i have ever seen now. Playing at the royal george george theater do not miss it. Millions estimate there are benefits online so they can do what they want offline social security securing today and tomorrow see what you can do online at socialsecurity dot com the dillard son serious serious fotis in philadelphia pennsylvania tonight. Let's go to tom. He's in ohio. He's in your urine sharon pennsylvania vania. Are you not dumb. I go back to your glad you hear me okay. I go back to your days when you out of here against donald hieaux okay back when you first started there. I'd listening call him and i hear you now aww sharon pennsylvania. That's that's right and so i talked to him. I wanna ask you a question. You're not the guy that used to listen to the show every sunday in the hot tub with your wife. Are you okay because there was some there was some guy said he looked forward to sunday night for things you can listen to be on the beltway and he could. You'd get in the hot tub with his wife so i dunno whatever happened to that guy. You indulge me for a couple of minutes in in on a subject. Ah europe is a hot button. Go trying to present a different perspective. Okay <hes> with the shootings by the white supremacy white nationalism you. I have no problem with the justice department yet by going after these groups off off the k._k._k. Neo nazis but then i think they also should go after people the duplex panthers acorn and al sharpton the the hate-mongers mongers from the other side right <hes> the other thing the other thing well actually there's several things first of all as far as white nationalist nationalist. I'm i'm white i believe in nationalism i believe in having a country and orders and culture and language but i'm not a member of any fanatic group and i don't believe in white supremacy but i don't believe in white period in pretty 'priority either and and you know for the past fifty years and really bright safe for the first twenty years it was necessary to have affirmative action and in quotas and <hes> the <hes> set aside by the government <hes> government contracts for minority women preferences and <hes> <hes> business loan preferences for minorities and women and <hes> college admittance <hes> considerations on that basis but fifty fifty years i think stretches and just the same argument that was given to about blacks in hispanic minority especially in the inner cities leased that they were being stereotype. They had most self-esteem. They had no hope for the future. I really think you're seeing that reb role reversal. Oh now two straight white males for the past probably twenty or thirty years and i really think that part of the reason why these <hes> groups are are growing number is because you're seeing the very situation that was trying to be alleviated out with black and hispanic this country being not put on straight white males. The woman referred to <hes> being in the back of the bus. Why think streaked white mills do themselves yourselves be in the back of the bus. I think tom let me just take a break. A little. I want to dumb. Let bill murray tackle your your broad question because i think you uh well go ahead well. I mean that's who donald trump appeal to from the very beginning. When he said make america great again he was talking about when women and people of color new their place and so two the whole. Do you think that it also could have meant he wanted when when he talked about making america great again he was also talking about a time when straight white white men were respected and not looked down upon by minorities and by the by political partner white men wore the king of their castle and the of the of the business world so it's very hard to be in a situation where your wife goes out to work and you think she's gonna come home and you're still king the castle because once she has to deal with the rest of the world she is not going to look at you as the the king of her castle. You're now equals. That is what they are. They're seen is their esteem as they see it slipping thing but do do you understand why david do understand why some white males straight white males ails feel that they're being ganged up on by society by the democratic party by certain political leaders by corporate america. They are the <hes> they're they're. They are under assault no data but can you wanted to stay on our victim. It sounds as if they need a trigger warning in a safe space. What is a trigger. I'm a straight white man and my demographics still controls the country controls the white house controls. Both branches of government mint is a majority of the supreme court and in the court system <hes> the overwhelming majority of executives at major multinational corporations are straight white men the most influential cultural players are straight white men so this is a category the era since the nineteen sixties we have seen slow and steady progress in terms of equality for blacks equality for women equality for gays and white men are making the mistake of believing that someone else's gain into their loss. I think that that's i orwell by beyond the colors point and i i think the caller are we. Are we out yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead call. The caller's point is that to remediate or to address structural a racism and discrimination in one thousand nine hundred sixty s we instituted instituted a raft of race based preferences and i think that he's asking when if ever will the folks who supported those see them as having served their purpose and achieve their goals. We can talk about it after thank you for your call. We're out of time for the hour one eight eight hundred seven two three eight thousand two hundred nine in the next hour. We're gonna be talking about the democratic fielded some other issues including the rage in mississippi. When ice shows shows up. Do we have to prepare to take care of the children as well back shortly uh-huh uh-huh <music> and you're listening to the hot land-use feed radio network at live dot heartland u._c. Dot com this stream is supported why advertisers and contributions by follow us on facebook twitter and instagram's mm-hmm. This is liberty your daily source for liberty news. 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By the way i just received a bulletin from fritz coleman who's been the director of the show for since he was a pup he has now told us that we are on <hes> <hes> new go home and run alexa seoul sunday night is when you walk into your house yeah just say turn on beyond the beltway i do have to say beyond the ball away or do you have to say a the fantasy too loud hang on just a second. This is the head of this my fan club right here down. Turn on beyond the beltway with bruce dumont. Put all you have to do. Is you say you walk into your house right. Describing this right you walk in your house and say tunein bursts dumont but it only works on sunday night right as i only work on sunday right doesn't work during the week when i'm at the pool by the way <hes> we have a caller of the life she's listening to on the video stream go ahead. You're on the air a._m. Chicago oh the us. You didn't like that so <hes>. Let's go back to the raid. The raid mississippi <hes> six hundred eighty people were picked off the assembly a floor and they were rounded up and yet the owners of this food processing plant which is based in park ridge illinois <hes> coke industries not related to the coke brothers. <hes> nothing happened to them. What's wrong rav that story chris shouldn't they be if you're going to have a rage and baby taking the owners or the managers out in handcuffs as well. Yes and i and i think that the justice department is building a case they actually needed testimony from the individuals to help build the case about the company company knowingly violating our immigration laws and yeah there there should be it should be seen ultimately as having in been fair equal. It's not just it's not just the workers. It has always always been a case where the chamber of commerce republicans kittens have sided with a variety of elements in the democratic party and that's why it has been so hard to get true. Image immigration reform by isn't is in basically a businessmen now. They're businessmen. There are democratic bidders but and there's a lot of republican. There's a lot there were there elements inside the democratic party who want to oppose including donald trump who has many but he's not in the democratic party. I'm gonna take the hotel has emigrant. We've got we've got. The chamber of commerce republicans the establishment republicans and some people in the democratic party. I have found it. You know. Politics makes strange bedfellows sometimes and that's exactly what's happened to. I think popularly demanded immigration reform the you know. We've been hearing about for eight years brock. Obama immigration is broken yet. Two years with the house and senate didn't do anything now now. It's trump's turned. It still broken. I think is cook. Not coke is the pronunciation. This is not the famous ah there's there are so many americans especially trump voters who would benefit from developing a better class consciousness in the way in which they look at of variety of issues most especially immigration if if they could get beyond the racial bias which animates many of them they could see that the reason they're paying three four hundred dollars a month in premiums for inadequate health care isn't because of illegal immigrants the reason that they can't find a job with a living wage isn't because of illegal immigrants and you teed up that <hes> golf ball nicely sleep for a nice long drive down the middle the mississippi rate in addition to illustrating again the lack of empathy the lack of compassion of the trump administration ministration traumatizing those children without good reason it also illustrates that the ownership <hes> does not suffer suffer the consequences and the ownership is the actual adversary of the working class what they say in their particular case the the ownership down there and management down there. They said that the people that were on that plant floor had passed e-verify which which is this government program which basically says that everybody there is legal. That was their defense now i don't. I don't know if there's a heavy there. They haven't had their damage but again. That was their. I response but here's my but but i wanna i wanna go back to the people that are there before you do that. I want to pick up on the empathy point. Where here is the empathy for the american low skilled worker who may wellbeing minority may not be a minority doesn't matter where is the empathy for the american worker denied that job if there are six hundred folks down there who are not supposed to be in the country. Why isn't it empathetic for the americans who are supposed to be in the country to say okay these six hundred violated our laws so they need to go back to where where they came from and now six hundred americans can take those positions that to me is overturning decades and decades aides of abuse of the people at the lower end of the economic spectrum by the elites and i think the elites at that level are really one party hardy what i called once with john a combine so the democrats and republicans so then you're supportive of raising the minimum wage i you provide the minimum for lightning raising the minimum wage is the classic unsympathetic response to a vital and vibrant and and dynamic labor environment foot some folks to to say raise the minimum wage is to misunderstand the significance of entry positions for people of all ages. People of all skill set average minimum wage worker right now twenty nine. I wanna tell you the quickest way to find aimed more ordering kiosks at a mcdonald's in illinois center or at l. A. x. airport is to keep raising minimum wages and and there are folks who are here legally to have jobs who are going to be shunted aside so that we can bring in a key or org. I would have to work to a core story based on the people that you're talking to six hundred and eighty people have we reached a point where there's a the difference between parties between those that think there should be strict enforcement of the laws and those that are not now i am i. I favor a strict enforcement of laws including immigration laws. I would be the first person to say if you're going to make a raid on uh on a on a on an industry you arrest the bosses. The bosses should and by the way it should not be the cost of business to play pay finds leads. You should go to prison if you're breaking environmental loss. Send him to prison if they're breaking immigration laws sent them to prison lock them up. Let's let's see. Let's see the owners walk. The perp walk not not just the the immigrants that are that are in the in the assembly lines. That's my position but i wanna know why. The democrats don't seem to care if people break the law. That should be the common. Did you break the law or or not and if you broke the law whatever the law is you should pay a price for that and the fries might be. We're gonna knock on your door and take you back to where you came from because you didn't do it right. I think i wanna get your response given my little polemic respond back. My name is bobby. I'm a veteran and lost my leg to a roadside bomb. My victory tori was going from a wheelchair to becoming a weightlifting champion. I'm sam. I'm a veteran. My victory was finding a career. I can be proud of his supporting. 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The other way tried to find some excuse why they shouldn't have to do what everyone else does. Well my position on that is that the employer should be the one who's punished because i remember when you're talking about jobs. The employer has the opportunity to hire. American workers are trying to make as much money as possible right and so they're hiring workers who are not legally here so that they can pay lower wage so so taking a six hundred and eighty by half of them you know are they. Were not <hes> that they weren't. They thought they were <hes> so so. You think it's all right to have these raids. Pick people up and send them back where they can't. I'm not saying i necessarily think it's all right right to have the rates. I don't think it should have happened in the first place. I'm saying the employer and if you don't really have the raid del marie. How do you get them. What are you send out getaway sting. I mean literally i would. I would not be surprised if president trump didn't wanna have one of these raids every month or every week between now and election day. I think a lot of people a lot of people come back to the basic thing. What is the biggest difference between a republican can a democrat or conservative and you know what i think it is. One has a greater respect for law and order than the other. That's the big difference. I know that's what they would like to say but you can start with the race but you can start having the race at all the trump properties. That's where you can start the race. I would favor that as well and we're we're. We're willing to have the trump properties to show good faith then. Let's start there and let's see where we go from. Go ahead david well. I i would say ah you're that. Dichotomy set up is not entirely true. I mean republicans for law and order when it comes to corporate malfeasance or since for law and order when it comes to as you you stated earlier violations of environmental regulations will not in policy and yes trump for the nomination. Should've your your party then because you're more of a law and order guy than he is. That's not true. I think the trump to answer your challenge about the raids aids and breaking the law. Wouldn't you agree that different violations of the law call for different punishment. Yell you wouldn't punish a murderer order the same way you would punish someone who committed a misdemeanor no which is illegal entry of the country. That's a misdemeanor and i would add by the way what what what what is in your view that i'm sure you're familiar with the case of jill jimmy l. odd. I'm not sure if i'm pronouncing his name correctly directly but he's an iraqi national had lived in iraq since he was six months old. His parents emigrated here. When he was a child he lived in in detroit. He was mentally ill. Diabetic ice caught him in a raid deported him to iraq. He died two months later because because he couldn't get insulin for his diabetes was also a christian that's and send out to accept that is arguing. The nation is are you. I have no no. I'm not cruel encounter note hold on what say you cannot sherry pick right. I i story and turn it into a sob sister story. I am so sick and tired of seeing the video of the children in mississippi crying because someone came amen and took their father to jail because he broke a law that happens on the south and west side. How many times one hundred times a day no. I agree immediately to say wait a minute. Why are they being treated differently than anybody else. I'm just saying make it simple. If you break the law right you're this challenge if someone breaks all as you chris if someone breaks the law because i think david is correct snaky into the country without papers. That's not burder correct. What kind of crowd is it and what should be. What should be the time. Hey i believe it's a misdemeanor. However it frequently ends up being layered on top of other things and folks are become subject to legal process whatever that legal process ends up being in the given even case and i want it so that's my answer to that but i want to say when david or when other people of the liberal or the progressive persuasion raise these questions like that i as a conservative i who deeply deeply profoundly skeptical of any concentration of power society because we have a small d democratic republic so whether it's consumer or you were mentioning mentioned corporatism or administrative process or prosecutorial discretion or the presidency itself or congress and what it can do or choose not to do or slough off into some ages i am skeptical of all concentrations of power liberals progressives especially per se we will progress progress if we give more authority and more discretion to the government entity. I'm thinking to myself here. You've just said the government entity put that poor guy mr l. daoud through the mixmaster he ends up going back to iraq may face mental issues certainly face medical issues ends up dying as a result and this is the government to which our friends here and re david wanna give more and more and more authority in what you get is fifteen schools in baltimore with not one kid performing math at grade level where there isn't any person who has experience experience in chicago illinois says oh hey here's a great idea. Let's give more alert government. You know because i'm going to go off for a second yeah. We live in a democracy. We're for manipulating in the neutral sense of the word the instruments of democracy to implement policy that that better serves the public interest and common good so i hope so because i don't think that i think it's rather intellectually shirley sloppy with all due respect to to conflict the deportation of l. dodd which to know is to be responsible they have to know he would die when they were doing that with medicare or with pell grants or with social security. That's there's some some government. Programs are run extraordinarily well at very live really. Let me tell you something. There is something <music> out. There is a big organism out there in society called government okay and there are other organisms out there in society and i have more faith than the other organisms than i do in government in part because it is by definition a concentration of how you would already to compel chris you would agree in the case of the mississippi on the mississippi chicken workers no because because i think people don't understand that in this particular taste let me just finish if you're going to go at first of all the idea that you have it on the same day that the president is in el paso the the acting acting et de as as thing there was no way can stop. You know it's a dumb one. One ears not listening to the other ear. My question question does make any sense by quest business. If you're going to have a raid and you think they're six hundred eighty people that you're going to arrest number one. I said before. Make sure you get the bosses right. Make sure you ever rate in the corporate office raised in park ridge illinois have that ray due to the bosses are going out but you have to assume because these are lower income people they might have their children and worked the friendship so so what is the plan with the f. after we have gone through a year and a half right there administration having nothing bad p._r. I run the way they deal with immigrant children. Why is there not science care center or something rennie hold on. We don't have this girl pride about her father going to prison in that video. Can you know the media will always ask democrats say the answer to your question is and this of course did not reported by the media leaves anti trump wants to get rid of them as much as almost as much as but more answers ice regulate ice. I <hes> procedures are the very first question they ask an adult is. Do you have a dependent minor at home or in school. Who'll who needs you to be home by a certain time to take care of them know that that is the very first question. Let's say i say no well. If you say no then you're going down that way. If you say what happens then you get your. You're you're going to be questioned. They're going to be asking you for papers. You're gonna end up going through. Legal process says if you say hold on if you say yes. I do have a child at home. Then the ice regulate the ice procedures. Are you go into another channel. Handle which is supposed to get you out by noon or the solution to this entire problem existed under that radical administration of dwight eisenhower <hes> and it's a robust guest worker program <hes> the democrats don't discuss it. The republicans don't discuss it. It was active until the the mid sixty s when certain nativist elements combined with and this will make you happy chris. I'm nothing if not a people pleaser <hes> bring a smile to your face wants tight labor unions to destroy the guest worker program for a guest worker program would allow people to to work in this country pay taxes on their wages without accruing the benefits of citizenship. It seems like a sensible compromise. Solution is perfect and yet no one even mentions it in either party which is rather suspicious. I the guest worker program in the nineteen fifties it was was terrific <hes> insensible and sort of tailored response to the situation there alias i would have to register every every every january exactly you and i both remember those ads but i think other people here literally similar inside the country so they can more easily apply for citizenship status in the shadows the new york times time to take these people out of the shadows case atoms adult workers set an existential take free eighty nine backdoor keeping in touch with family and friends or reaching public safety officials can be challenging during power outages if telecom networks are affected by severe weather or other conditions the f._c._c. recommends following these guidelines call nine one one only when necessary and limit nonemergency emergency calls avoid repetitive reviling to minimize network congestion tried texting if a call doesn't go through conserve battery power switch mobile phones owns and devices to power saving modes and turn off when not in use if evacuated forward landline calls to your cell phone if possible if you're using your car art charge cell phones or listen to news on the car radio be aware that carbon monoxide emissions can be deadly in an enclosed space such as a garage remember always always seek shelter in dangerous conditions and follow directions from public safety officials for more info go to f._c._c. dot gov slash emergency <music> sir yeah mm-hmm coming the cargo <hes> chris rolling in theory is our republican david massey otas one of our progressives and he is is a columnist and also del murray cobb joins us. She is a longtime public affairs and political activists in the chicago land area <hes> again our second republican tonight <hes> it didn't show up. I don't know why but <hes> chris has been carrying the ball very well and you need a double might take for this evening. I really two bottles of water. Ah i got the other republicans water that's right. I can make it to another voices tori cobb. We should mention this coming thursday. August fifteenth organization ida's legacy is having a benefit. They're going to have a screening of the of the movie. The lincoln is crying. It's very well done documenting not just because i'm in it but it's very well done. Even though i wasn't in it it's from six to nine o'clock and it's going to be at the columbia college film row center. That's in chicago august fifteenth and if people wanna call you maria the number they can call three one two nine four eight nine nine five one okay and how much your ticket so what's the suggest dollars forty dollars worth every penny it is. It's a it's a good cause and the if film about <hes> ninety minutes. They filled ninety minutes with corruption about illinois. You don't have to be you. Don't have to be <music> from illinois corruption. I mean if you if you're from illinois you might like corruption anyway. Let's go to brian. He's he's listening to us in roselle illinois. Go ahead brian's beacon witch bryant there. Yes i hear you now you you too <hes>. I'm a union electrician and i follow the democratic party immigration illegal immigration and and i believe they've sold out america's working class <hes> i've been on a service truck. I've seen many many many businesses and and it's my opinion that businessmen put illegal immigrants in every aspect of their business. That's possible it. You know the big beth is there this out in the field picking vegetables and nobody wants that job but the truth is they're working everywhere and what the trick another thing is illegal immigration. Immigration is a subsidy to the wealthy and the business class. I this correct and they get their workers for dirt cheap and then all the social costs get pushed on to the taxpayer. You know if i'm a rich guy. I'm getting my yard my landscaping done sheep. I'm i'm outta restaurants downtown my meals cheaper because the kitchen staff all illegal immigrants <hes> my car's getting washed real cheap because there's illegal immigrants working at the car wash and then the taxpayer pays all the social costs and free college right free college and another thing is how many of those children we talk crying after the plant raid are on some type of government program. Do we talk about that. Yeah i mean they're the the progressive left started attacking walmart and some other big box retailers a few years ago a couple years ago on the basis of the fact they they were not paying a living wage okay and they went on to say when you have families that are supported by walmart wages exclusively exclusively. You're probably not going to get out of the poverty level or you're just going to be a little bit above it and so some folks at i guess the progressive policy the institute or one of those places started adding up all of the government transfer payments federal and the notion analyze the state dimension and they came up with this enormous price tag so the shopper at walmart gets the low price walmart walmart gets the low wage but the taxpayers pick up the difference. Now you know the it is a truism that not just the democratic party or the republican party but united states america's society in general you know human whatever you wanna call it we're of two minds and we say one thing and do another and that's the way you know flawed humans are is this something regular cable it. Is this a new wrinkle. The bernie's rapa. You're in your view day belt. He was traditionally pretty hard line and immigration up until he became a national figure. He was a local figure was anti abortion and delete national had the position of the caller however ever. I would say again that the caller and others are are shooting at the wrong target. The caller said he's a union electrician it at one point in the nineteen sixties nearly forty percent of american workers belong to a labor union labor unions were as important as anything else in constructing the middle class of this country. Now it's down to nine percent private sector. <hes> you mentioned walmart. The walton family makes four million dollars. It's an hour the amount of x speaking of bernie sanders the amount of extreme inequality in this country and we see the ramifications of it in healthcare. We see it in educational policy. We see it in poverty relief that is the real cause of the working class struggle and and the working class privation that is so pervasive throughout this culture. The hiring of illegal immigrants is perhaps a small piece of that but what we're seeing here here is making illegal immigrants the scapegoat in the classic sense of the word for decades of corporate policy that have redistributed attributed wealth from the bottom and the middle to the. I just think that that's looking at one thin slice of the ball tuck. Lavar okay the buck. La has got many many slices and one of the things that trump is doing for which he's getting you know of course no credit from anybody. Anybody except folks who pay attention is i believe executing would've obama announced but never got around to and and lord knows obama had other things to do but trump is breaking. He is in the process of trying. At least he is trying to break china's iron grip on the american economy and it's tough it's hard <hes> luckily we're at a moment where our economy is expanding and there is not so this is of all times the best time for him to do it and that is another case where the elites elites took it out on the working people and that's the kind of that's why the first person who and bruce will back me up on this four years ago three or whatever the first person who told me she thought obama was going to trump was gonna win was an african american american democrat politician from the south side of the city of chicago said. Do you know why he's gonna win. I said no because he will bring jobs to the african american community. That is what she said to me. Well look we are low but what say that again jobs to the african african-american community. I mean this whole notion of got more african americans working than ever before. Is that a true not true. Of course it's not true you can just look at chicago chicago like oh is it true it is absolutely i can walk down the street and see african americans not working but i can. I can't see them if they are working. All you have to do the whitening of the loop. All you have to do is look at the widening of the loop. Black people were working from all the wards downtown. They are not working downtown. When romney manual talks about all these corporations he's bring and heck knows he's bringing to the to the city. Those jobs aren't going to anybody. Black brought here the same government workers are government workers working toward don't don't don't they the lake but we all these numbers. We understood these these numbers former statistical potemkin village. We know what we're talking about. The average job that's been created in the past ten years even going back to the obama. Administration is a low wage job. Fifty percent of americans have under five hundred dollars in savings. A large percent of americans are one mishap away from financial ruin so science should give the government statistically mystically the point is that statistically we can talk about the unemployment number which started declining well during the obama knows that the title tonight that we can we can recite all of those statistics but it doesn't address the okay so david garrity of this yeah. I am ryan. Thanks for your call. You got through twenty five. Thank you very much for your question. Because i wanna talk about democratic politics again <hes> you david <hes> which is why when i read your recent faisant facebook post you and many of your friends your your first pick you believe that the democrats are wasting time trying to convince past trump voters to vote against mr trump in two thousand twenty and you think that they're making a mistake by going through and discussing statistics and whether this is good it and bet that's good. That's all it means nothing that really the way that you have to beat. Trump is to have increased the turnout of people oh that hate trump and building a case that this guy is the vilest guy ever to walk the face of the earth. That's the winning ticket for democrats vilify and mobilize well the mobilization by summarize directly into your essentially correct. Well say you're concerned about the tone if golic it's bill well that that with all due respect it trivializes the the brutal history of racism in this country because the the criticism of trump's rhetoric is about the race baiting nature which throughout the history of this country is responsible for the deaths of thousands of americans vilifying the the president of the united states is an american tradition that goes back to press not george washington but tom john john adams thomas. Are we <music> out of time. Can i give you my aunt. Give me ten seconds. Now is the keys to what we're gonna. Talk about. Karl rove someone. I'm not fond of quoting said in two thousand that the future of american politics is about mobilization of the base and he's correct okay percent wins so we're gonna. We're gonna talk about when we come back. Mobilizing the democratic base that first and foremost the president of the united states back shortly uh-huh. 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Department of health and human services <music> mm-hmm bruce in chicago and repeating late. You went out again. I i gotta get back to the fossil george the field museum. They locked the stealing some of the exhibits some of your right. Yes well you what else up <music> over there you know. I want to go back laughing. I wanna go back to the strategy that that i read it. In david's <unk> facebook posted and some of your friends is that you really the the democrats are wasting their time if they talked too much about <hes> about issues and there's certainly wasting their time if they think they're going to try to get some trump voters back they have have to expand their base and the people that weren't riled up enough four years ago if they're not wild up now donald trump. They're never going to be wild yes. They're they're looking far too persnickety which means having an unhealthy obsession with details. I don't know if i'm watching an algebra lecturer or a political whole debate when i tune into c._n._n. Sometimes and they need to stop vetting everyone from he said this nine hundred ninety ninety four and she supported this policy in one thousand nine hundred ninety one. We need to have a common goal a common mission which is returning to the white house and use the word vilification location that's fine but it needs to be an intelligent and thoughtful vilification not just calling trump a racist because that's not going to convince many americans. There's clearly large percentage of americans who either brush off that accusation or don't take it seriously the winning candidate manages the one who will form a message who demonstrates why donald trump's racism why has incompetence why his narcissism awesome and why his opposition to the democratic tradition small d democratic of the american system in american culture presents a clear and present present danger to the american political system simply calling him a name isn't going to do that that requires leadership and that requires tires some maturity and probity and wisdom do you. Do you think that joe biden who last week spent spent some time on defense. Does he have the ability <hes>. I'm gonna ask you don't have the ability to deliver the type of campaign that david just talked talked about or is he not going to be able to go for the jugular like many democrats want a candidate to do. It becomes a one on one. I think he definitely will do what he needs to do to try to win and to draw. Do you think he strong. You've been surrounded candidate the most of your life just between the four of us. Do you think is strong at the joe. Biden is strong enough to go one on one with donald trump. He's strong income the donald trump. He gets in a one on one joe. Joe biden's based task right. Now is beating bob mueller to the adirondack chair on on the porch of their retirement home. I mean these guys are completely. We passed their sale date and the poor guy joe abidin is not. I don't think he's old sell sell date is out there incredibly aggressive and was the was the mistake but you know trump actually did when trump insult people he's actually very good at insulting people and he insulted and biden by saying sleepy joe joe lost his fastball and then you know that that is a very i think y'all very wasn't playing with a full de the the takes one to know one right. I fear is that his assessment of biden losing his football accurate. Here's the point biden looked great when he debated. Sarah palin beilin look great when he debated paul ryan everyone expected ryan destroy end rebel right people even republicans agreed biden got the better of them in the debate. That's not the same joe biden. We've hit by this early stage. None of the of the gaps of the gaps made just last last week in iowa and there was the gap were there was a reference to poor children and white children and that's another one then that was the reference to <hes> truth and facts that was number two vans and that was the one and then there was the one where he did not he said that he welcomed the parkland shooting victims done this to meet with him when he was the vice president and he was no longer the by of those three and the victim was anyone which is the one. That's the worse in your view parkland yeah yeah i think martin lambie i agree. I mean that was two years. After he left the presidency so they're the gemma all twenty one or twenty or nineteen or however many there are i have one personal friend among that group but all of those candidates are failing right now and and and none of the they're all losing the pre primary primary and that's why steve bannon said today look for a big name to jump in and he used the name michelle obama. Ah which i think is going to happen but he also used the name clinton hillary clinton which i don't think he's going to happen but i think there are other folks allies bloomberg michael bloomberg who might jump in dan because right now. You don't have anybody of their take on it. It's not gonna be michelle according to do number. She doesn't like politics. I mean she didn't like politics when she was married to barack obama as a politician in chicago or illinois because she said to him if he had not won the senate race that he was never going to run again. She did not marry someone to be a single parent a quick call from us a lamer the x. l. y. Go ahead on the question for you. Are you there. I have a i have a solution to the killing. A worker friday need fifteen in seconds for your solution. Those employer should be charged as a fine one year of prevailing wage for that position and the second time. They're buying two years through time to go to prison. Okay i think you're too. You're too easy you're too. I think what i big and then as you're not free our thanks to chris roebling. Thank you for your call cal and dell maury cobb and david math yeltsin. Thank you very much for joining us. I want to thank the fritz coleman and also i thanks to and also the andrew for their assistance in the program and i'm bruce dumont goodnight from yeah you're listening to the heartland news feed radio network at live dot heartland newsfeed dot com. This stream is supported by advertisers taxes and contributions by on facebook twitter and instagram's. Hey i'm dave rubin and this is the rubin report real quick. Everyone don't forget to click that subscribe ascribed button and make sure notifications turned on so the actually get our videos okay joining me. Today is a british columnist and the editor of spiked online a former ruben report guests who decided to welcome back brendan o'neill welcome back to the ruben. Hey dave how's again. It is going. Well glad to have you back. It was about two years ago that we sat down for the first time and i kind of think that your political philosophy is pretty much in line with mine but over the pine so we're dealing with different different issues before we get into any of that this shirt no one has more flowers show eight so hall in l._a. L._a. I get as a as a as britain of irish descent. He is just unmanageable so i had to put on the lightest flowery the thing that i could find all right well. Let's get into some flowery politics than just quickly for those that don't know who you are at all we did about an hour and a half talk in so they can check out that video link to below but let's just do like a little four five minute kind of recap of who you are who spiked is and sort of just your general political philosophy yes so i am. I almost a left wing libertarian. I mean it's not the most accurate term. It has various failings but i think it's probably the best fit for me. Me probably ted is going to be left wing. Yeah exactly so a lot of people think is a contradiction in terms right because the left has become so incredibly authoritarian arion so censorious divisive so difficult to deal with you know there are so many problems with contemporary laughter if you can if you have the the word left in the same sentence the word liberal or libertarian freedom people be massive contradiction in terms so i completely understand that but i see myself as coming coming from a tradition where leftist people were in favor of freedom. They were in favor of freedom of speech in favor of counter cultural experimentation asian. They were in favor of allowing people to make jokes to write books to create art however offensive and may have been so there is a left tradition which is is which does value freedom which does value liberty which does value choice and i see myself as coming from that tradition unfortunately that tradition is fading eating away so people like me seem quite eccentric but i still think it's worth holding onto. Yes i hear you brother in that that pool myself self <hes> do you find that sort of staying in that position and say a left libertarian to try to fix it from the inside as opposed to maybe we'll be working with people that you might not have worked with before and i think this'll be particularly apropos. Talk about brexit. I found that working with people on the right is much more fruitful these yes but i respect the people that are still trying to fix it from the i don't see it happening especially in the context of american politics. It seems to be getting worse person worse but when you say leffler retired is that because you're still trying to kind of fix sort of what's going on with leftism from from inside the machine no. I don't think leftism is fixable. I mean i spend my whole life in a state of kind of just apoplectic fury with the left. I'm so disappointed with what has become some of the left. I cannot believe that movement that started out with the values of universalism has become this identity -tarian divisive hyper racialist outfit which is constantly obsessing over whether you're white or black or and defining everyone by the biological boxes that they spent and so long trying to escape from. I can't believe that the left which was traditionally pro economic growth pro progress wanted to industrialize the entire third world has become on this kind of environmentalist save the planet recycle your rubbish kind of middle-class environmentalist movement so i spend all my time time is just feeling so disappointed with what the left has become and i've reached the conclusion that identikit can be saved but i but having said that i i do think i do work with people on the right. I think alliances across left right from conservative to radical whatever it might be. I think allies is is the key feature of contemporary politics and i think the great dividing line now is no longer left versus right no longer capitalist versus communist. The really important dividing line is now between do you believe in freedom. Do you trust ordinary people to decide for themselves how they should live or do you not believe in freedom our youth an authoritarian. Do you think people need to be controlled and cajoled and told what to think. I think that's the key dividing line and i'm i'm willing to work with and align with anyone who is on the side of saying we trust people to make up their own minds and to decide for themselves how they should live their lives <music> on average. It takes police forty five minutes to respond to a home security alarm a lot of the time police assume it's a false alarm and the call is not a priority but your home in your safety if these should always be a priority. That's why i recommend simplisafe home. Security have peace of mind knowing. You're protecting your home. The best way possible simplisafe if has video verification technology which helps police get on the scene faster simplisafe can visually confirmed that break in happening and let the police know making their average police response. It's time just seven minutes. 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There is a right something broken within liberalism. It is something that i don't want to really think about or even to have to analyze because that's a scary thought for people to you have to think about that. This is of course what sam harris jordan peterson had been debating a lot for the last year and a half and many others a bench girl wrote a book about it. Do you think there is something to that. I do think there's something to that. I do think there's a god shaped hole. In contemporary society lots of people have written about the god shaped hole and how you fill it and it's very difficult to fill it and an and nothing particularly convincing has filled it thus far that i'm an atheist. I don't believe in god top one. It's very tough one but i know i was brought up a catholic so i was brought up very religious. I was an altar boy until i was sixteen years old and i know i've never been anti-religious not religious in the way that some of the new atheists are. I've always understood. Religion complain incredibly important role in people's lives in terms of providing a framework <hes> providing a moral framework providing community connections. I think it plays an incredibly important role so i've never had this kind of anti religious sometimes quite snobby paternalistic listrik approach to people who believe in god but at the same time i think where the enlightenment has gone wrong where enlightenment values have gone wrong is not necessarily because the ultimate kind of pushed god aside and said you know humanity is the center and we should we should organize organize ourselves around the hugh humanist humanist ideal. That's the problem with enlightenment ideals. I think the problem is that the the enlightenment ideal of tolerance which is so important that you tolerate people even if you disagree with them you tolerate people even if you think their values are backward you value freedom so much that you are willing to tolerate people who wear the burqa or who say outrageous things or who say racist things because you think freedom is the call overarching value of of of society. I think the problem is that tolerance has transmogrify into relativism and so if you look back at the enlightenment value of tolerance it wasn't only saying you have to tolerate everything and put up with it. It was saying you should tolerate everything in the name of freedom but at the same time you are allowed to criticize these things right so it was. I was born as a two way street weird way now. It's become a one way street absolutely right so it was a two way street in the sense that you would tolerate even backward beliefs and stupid beliefs and wrong beliefs. You would tolerate them. You would push back against them. You would say that's wrong. That's inferior right. No one uses the word inferior anymore. That's a bad way to live with what we have now. Among the contemporary left is simply relativism so they tolerate things because they think they are equally valid so is that though because of the god shaped hole. Do you make that direct connection because this is again. I come from a secular place. I find there's almost no way i know many atheists that are the most moral good d._s. Generous people at that micro level at the individual level or small group level. Let's say but what i'm finding especially at a time going against this radical leftist authoritarian monster that that's why liberalism is sputtering right now because it has that that tolerant piece that's now being used against yes. I think that's a key problem of our times. I would argue. I and i say this is a secularist and an atheist. I would argue that you don't need god in order to be moral absolutes but you need something and that's the key issue and what i think has happened happened. In in recent decades is the shift from a god arranged society to something else has given rise to this sense of relativism this sense everything everything is equally valid so in the u._k. For example boris johnson who is currently running to be leader of the tory party and the next prime minister he got into a huge amount out of trouble for criticizing the burqa. He said that women who wear the burqa look like bank robbers. They looked like letterboxes. They looked crazy. I wish they wouldn't wear this garment and and it causes huge enormous fast and people said he should apologize and retract and these this furious woke lobby were saying he was islamophobic and all these other things things accusations that they throw at you what they overlooked in the same article where he made these ridiculing points he also said we have to defend the right of women to wear whatever they want to wear so i actually thought that he actually summed up the traditional view of tolerance which is that we tolerate people who wear the burqa even if we think it's a stupid thing to wear and i actually share his view on that but we also push back against it. We criticize it. We say that it's not a nice way for women to live and so i think that's what's being lost the critical aspect of tolerance tolerate people's views and lifestyles but you also criticize them that aspect is being lost and i think that explains a lot of why we're heading into this politically correct woke culture in which are not allowed to criticize anything think how much of that do you think that is directly related to the media because the way you just described his comments and says you know i don't want women to have to wear the burqa but they should be able able to choose absolutely this is the type of thing we see with trump almost anyone on the right all the time these days there's a headline that sounds awful racist assist and whatever and then you have to dig into pay jay chapter paragraph thirty nine where you see the qualifying statement and it's like oh well actually what they said. I think that's absolutely right. I think the media has an awful lot to answer for an and so two social media because what you have is a situation today where anyone who makes a statement even if it's a reasonable statement social media and the media will latch onto it and say you're racist. You're islamophobic. You're a misogynist. Even if you are not criticizing womankind not criticizing all muslims not criticizing all black people but simply a muslim woman right exactly muslim woman things it's wrong to ask muslim women to wear the hejab and you will be branded islamophobic for raising those points. This happened in the u._k. Very every recently the muslim council of britain issued a report on supposed- islamophobia in the media and one of examples was an iranian woman who refuse to ever hit job which is required in iran by the way she refused to wear the hitch up and she went onto the b._b._c. and gave an interview on why she refused to other hitch up. She said it's is an oppressive garment. She doesn't like wearing it the muslim council of britain in the u._k. Held this interview up as an example of islamophobia because they said it wasn't wasn't given the other side and you think yourself. What is the other side. The other side is presumably the theocratic iranian revolution regard point of view which is all women must wear this garment or else. They'll be punished so you're absolutely right. Even muslim women who raise questions about the way muslim women live can be denounced instances. Lamma phobic can be denounced misogynistic and what we're entering into as a society in which anyone who raises any questions about cultural values or social tensions engines or religious tensions or anything else can be so swiftly demonized as racists and phobic and evil and beyond the pale and even as a fascist and what that does it contributes to a sense where you you just think there are certain things you cannot say certain criticisms you cannot raise and it's very cynically designed find i think to stifle debate about the problems in society and then it fascinating lee creates the sort of widest tent in politics which is worldwide wide right now. Which is the the deplorables which you're asking a lot about. I mean the example i would give is from london. I was there about six months ago. When i was on tour jordan peterson and i went to harrods which is the famous department store and something like seventy percent of the women were wearing burqas now. I'm not they can wear whatever they wanted. Take the liberal position on this of course i would want them all to live as freely as they possibly can and all that but what i would say is it struck me as odd yeah. I wasn't is in in saudi. Arabia was in iran but not only that we're having nothing to do with racism or any of those things but you're so stupid that i even have to elucidate if if there if i walked into harrods and there had been seventy percent amish women were jewish women or something else that would be altuve struck we as a little odd doesn't feel like whatever london felt like at one time and if you don't let people just think about that or talk about it then you're gonna lead to all sorts of other crazy things absolutely right i think howard's and selfridge's which is another famous posh shop in london. Well the the reason i just wonder thing the reason it struck me so because i am aware that we live in a weird time related to terror and everything else and that when you're in a place that has i mean harrods is just this pack. You're just sort of being with the mob from room to room. Yes it's so pack well. If there were groups of men that you could only see there is yeah you would think it's alarming. Not just just is it sounds whatever but yeah just is but you know i think i completely agree. I think the burqa is a ridiculous offensive horrible rable item of clothing. I think the idea that a woman needs to cover from head to toe so all you can see is is is ridiculous. It's offensive to women because it covers them in this black cloth and it's offensive to men because the whole idea of it is that these women are so sexually attractive that men cannot control their impulses impulses. It's it's a deeply offensive garment. I also happen to defend women's right to wear it. Even though i know that's very complicated tecate because i know that lots of women don't exercise free choice when they wear this gama but my great concern is that if you want to say in in the u._k. Or france or belgium if viewer to say you are banned from wearing this garment in public. My great concern is that most of those women would not go out in public so i think it would actually limit their freedom in a way that would be incredibly destructive but this is the problem we face in contemporary society where it's become unacceptable to say. I absolutely defend your freedom to wear this ridiculous item of clothing this backward archaic medieval item of clothing. I defend your freedom to wear that but i think you're wrong. I think it's it's antisocial. Oh i think it makes life more difficult because i cannot see your face. I cannot engage with you. That's where i think. Political correctness is really it causing problems where it's no longer acceptable to say fine. Do what you want to do but everyone else must have the right to criticize what you do instead. We're all supposed i a novel on obediently at all these various different ways of life even if we know inside our hearts and minds that it's a wrong way to live so the the expectation of political correctness that you must simply 'obediently except all lifestyles i think is a serious problem yeah and you sort of hit this <hes> anti-social but it also creates this odd situation where you need to see. Someone's face to read cues. You can read a lot in the eyes but there's things about someone's is facing the way they lift their brow and their moves and all of those things that allow us to actually connect a little bit more so then it creates secondary level of disconnect that that's that's right. Just what someone's where there was a case in the u._k. Recently where a woman who has the niqab wanted to be able to wear it in a court of law where she was giving evidence and the judge said no absolutely unacceptable because we need to be able to see the movements on your face we need we need to see what you're thinking and in a court out of law that becomes a very pronounced issue right because you need to know is this person telling the truth and you judge people by how they look how their eyes look how their face looks the facial expressions they make so i think i would be in favor of restricting the right of women to wear the niqab in a court of law because you need to be able to see the face i also also be in favor of restricting the right of women to wear the nick up in school because young children need to be able to see that teachers face and there's there's currently big discussion about whether the women should be able to wear the niqab in schools in the u._k. And also in france i think they shouldn't be allowed to wear it so there are some areas where i think the the antisocial elements element of that clothing becomes so problematic that it's acceptable to say you can't wear it but in the public sphere in everyday walking down the street going into into a shop i would defend freedom the freedom of women to wear this religious gelman an additional two that i would defend the right of everyone else to criticize the fact that these women wear this garment without being branded islamophobic homophobic accusation is used so often these days it to brand anyone who simply raises questions about islam or transgenderism or any aspect of contemporary politics anyone who raises any i any criticism of that can so swiftly and easily but denounced as phobic that it just becomes incredibly difficult to you have an honest discussion about the society. We live in you know the old adage. Good help is hard to find. It's still rings. True right. 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Power dot com rocket rocket mortgage by quicken loans push-button get mortgage and now back to the show okay so i think that's a perfect segue then when it comes to having honest discussion about what's happening in contemporary society you've been one of the most outspoken brexit supporters one of the people that i think is kind of giving intellectual backing so we touch on this a little bit two years ago so it's hard to believe this is still being discussed but for the layman who knows nothing about brexit brexit about let's just do that in two or three minutes and then we'll get caught up to where we're at now yes so in my view brexit is the most important political issue in the western world. What happened is in june two thousand and sixteen which is long ago now seventy in other words. It's crazy seventeen in point. Four million british people voted to leave the european union. That's the largest block of voters in the history of the united kingdom that many people have never voted waited for anything so they voted to we includes me seventeen point four million people voted to leave the european union because the european union is an anti-democratic take technocratic bureaucratic illiberal p._c. Institution which just drains the life out of democracy and freedom of speech and all these this other key issues so we were right. I believe to oppose the european union so we voted against the idea was that we would have this referendum and whatever so we decided would be acted upon we were told that again and again and again by david cameron it was then the prime minister three plus years later. We're still in the european opinion. We haven't left and it looks increasingly like we won't leave so there is now talk of having a second referendum. There is now talk of simply overriding overriding the vote. There is now talk of parliament using his power to deprive the public of the thing that they voted for and simply preventing it from happening. I i think if that happens it will be it will be an apple. It will be a really key event in the history of of britain because what it will say is that we are no longer really a democratic nation. We are no longer really a democracy. We're no longer a nation that takes seriously ordinary people think so. I think a lot of people pull across the western. World really should be keeping a close eye on brexit because if brexit doesn't happen then the whole nature of democracy the whole democratic era which has only existed just for a few hundred years will be called into question because basically at that point plenty of other western leaders who might have some authoritarian tendencies might go well yeah. It doesn't really matter if i win or lose an election because look what happened over there we delay delay and delay long enough until the people either start flipping where we can make up enough lies org demonize enough people then that's right congrats to me. I'm still in power. That's right and a lot of people used to look to the united kingdom for a democratic example example and i was thinking about this recently. It was recently the thirtieth anniversary of the tiananmen square massacre when you had hundreds of thousands of chinese citizens is on the streets of beijing and across china in fact demanding democratic rights demanding the right to freedom demanding the right to choose their government are very basic right that people what you and i take for granted which people in china don't have and when that massacre happened thirty years ago in one thousand nine thousand nine british democrats british liberals roles british humanists were talking about it all the time they were fully in favor of these people who are struggling for the right to democracy to for the right who had a democratic democratic say in their lives and in their communities on the thirtieth anniversary however there was a real sense of silence a lot of british liberals who would normally have made a big a big fuss about the tiananmen square massacre and the and the authoritarianism of the chinese regime didn't say anything and i was thinking about this and i thought okay this makes sense because because you on now on the same side as the chinese regime and that's not to say you're going to drive tanks into trial square like the chinese regime did into tiananmen square and massacre people or kill people but you on the same side in the sense you think democracy is overrated. You think people shouldn't have free fair say in how their community or society is organized and i thought that silence is point is absolutely right. There are so many people around the world who looked to the u._k. And to other western nations america to for an example of people having a real say in how their lighter organized who now will no longer do that and you have foreign regimes around the world who will look at the really right and they'll see that there are members members of parliament and government officials who are hell bent on over riding the largest democratic vote in the history of our country and those regimes yes i. Let's do the same thing so. Let's just break down a little of the chronology of this whole thing so so the vote is about two years ago you said june of two thousand sixteen right twenty-sixth yeah and then how soon were supposed to be in motion straightaway it was supposed to happen very very quickly and david cameron who was prime minister and george osborne who was the chancellor of the executor. He was <hes> in charge of the economy. These two figures who were the leading figures zinni in the united kingdom argued that it would happen straight away. We will listen to you. We will act upon what you say. We will do it right off the bat so so everyone was expecting that would happen in a matter of weeks or months and people went to the ballot box with that view in mind. They thought right this is this. This is the first election in which i'm not simply being asked to choose between a party who will run the country. We're all that in every single election. We take part in. This was a different election. This was an election in which we were being asked to decide the political makeup of the nation the constitutional nature of the nation should we be entangled tangled with the european union or should we be completely independent of it so a lot of voters. I spoke to said that this is the first time they felt that the vote had real consequence and would change the country entirely so people relish the opportunity. <hes> voter turnout went up enormously. It was seventy two percent. Normally it's around sixty percents so there was a huge rise in voter turnout especially in working class areas and poor areas where people don't normally vote and people came came out in the millions and said let's leave the european union and they expected it would happen very quickly more than three years later. It's still what happened that caused the pause the delay and now the possible reversal of this entire well the the key issue is the the political people class doesn't want to leave the european union. I mean this is the great tension in the united kingdom the moment and i think actually reflected in american politics to a certain extent to and across europe in fact as well in the u._k. A majority of voters want to leave the european union but a majority of the political class doesn't and that's the key tension so for example fifty. Two percent of people voted to leave the european union. That's the majority seventeen and a half million but in the political class seventy percent of members of parliament voted to stay in the european union with the labor party which is our version of the democrat party. It was ninety five percent ninety five percent of labor. He's voted to stay in the european union. I mean that is how utterly disconnected ed. The left wing. Party is from public sentiment. I mean is simply. Extraordinary that ninety five percent of labor m._p.'s as against just just forty eight percent of the public voted to stay in the european union so we have this difficult historically unprecedented visited situation where the people want one thing and the political class one another and the great unfortunate thing is that the political class is getting its way so i think the average person listening to this at least from an american lens we go well. Wait a minute. We have elections and no matter what the result is. Incumbents get suited and they gotta go. We bring in this guy this whole thing. They keep telling us that trump's never gonna leave office but in many ways democrats accept this election okay all that so what actually is happening. I mean are they literally. Just th that that percentage that seventy percent they're just saying we're just not going go to put the processes in motion that would allow for. We're just so that they're not denying that. They're denying will of the people. I guess what i'm asking right or are they or they're saying you're you were tricked doesn't yes. It's a lot that you were tricked into voting for this and we're doing better for that's the key thing so that they would never openly say we hate the will of the people you idiot so we're just going to ignore. You got a little better so they put a spin on it. They they put a p._c. Gloss on the fact they are actually undermining the democratic process so what they say is we were tricked. We will lie to rural bunch of idiots. They call racist. We're racist cuisine phobic the phrase they use his low information you are which is a fancy phrase for stupid but that's what they say. You're low information. You didn't have all all the information you didn't understand. The consequences of leaving the european union educated enough on enough. Even people like richard dawkins have have been saying it was wrong and stupid to entrust such a big political decision to ordinary people because they think we are inferior today's his tweet on that but it's such an important moment because i think it really sums up where politics is going where politically correct politics is going where woke politics. This is going because what is doing. It's creating this almost this neo aristocracy where you have this layer of people who think they know better than us. They know how you should speak. Speak in asia how you should behave how you should think and they are superior to us that they are educated. They went to the right universities. They have the right attitudes and then down here. There are other kind of the throng the masses the idiots who don't speak in the right way who don't have the right attitudes who aren't pete sufficiently p._c. Who on sufficiently woke and they can be bossed around. They can be ignored. They could be told what to do and told what to think so i think actually that the war against brexit which is fundamentally a war against democracy actually speaks to the political culture of the western world more broadly where you have this the creation of this to tape political system where the top you have these switched on elites who think they know better than the rest of us and they have no ooh concern at all about bossing around and censoring us and demonizing us and telling us we're stupid and blocking the things that we vote full so i yeah i think at the heart of brexit what we can see is is the elites war against supposedly deplorable people so now that we're three plus years here's into this. Do you think the damage has been done regardless editor at a certain level that even if somehow brexit is pulled off in it limps <unk> out that the faith in the system. We'll have been so beep i from my friends that are british. Most of them actually were pro brexit and they are so deeply depressed about how this whole situation has been dealt with that. It almost seems to me that no matter what happens now that is going to be very hard to reset. I think that's absolutely a key question which is whether they've already gone too far. You know i kind of a a flit from day to day about whether breaks it will happen but then i also precisely that even if it does happen now have we gone too far down the route of anti-democracy z. because it's extraordinary and to a lot of american people and other non british people will be difficult to comprehend just how extraordinary it's being but for more golden three is the majority of people in the u._k. The majority of voters have been subjected to relentless daily abuse. We've been told we are ignorant. We are stupid. We are racist xenophobic. We are driven by a hatred of foreigners driven by hatred of immigration. We've been told hold basically that we're scum everywhere. You have your police departments london tweeting out that we should be watching people hate speech. That's right. That's right so the exact exact same time. There is this constant policing of what we say and how we express ourselves and so there are millions and millions of people in the u._k. You just feel completely beaten down and abused and treated like crap to be frank by the political class by the political elites it's and they've had enough of it but the question arises of how they respond to them. Will they respond to that by saying we give up or will they respond to that saying we're going to fight back and that's the key question off the moment in the u._k. And i think across the western world in fact and nigel faraj wjr i interviewed najjar fraud podcast a few months ago and he made the point that the two choices facing the british population at the moment is anneke or <music> apathy. Do you respond to this nonstop abused from the woke elites by being anna kissed than saying well screw you. We're going to keep fighting. I think this thing that we want or do you respond to it by being apathetic and saying you win we give up and i see that dilemma that choice ace repeated in fact across the western world which is do ordinary people respond to the relentless harassment of them by the a political class and the media class and the work class. Do they respond to that by saying well. No we don't accept this and we're going to keep pushing back against your eccentric crazy political school worldview or do they respond to it by saying we're gonna sling. Interaction lives and give up on politics. Entirely that i think is the crossroads that the west is that seems to be for everybody whether you're dealing with brexit or even what's going on here. Which are you going to get engaged. Where does that lead you you. And how crazy will you have made those people in a way if you've treated them so deplorably yes. It's hard to have so obviously. I wanted to bring a project. I've met him a few times. We had lunch mentioned london. I found him to be exactly the way he is publicly which is boisterous and passionate and and all of those things and sort of endlessly overjoyed but yet what he's dealing with all sorts of nonsense all i sense from him though really sort about the political level was that he wants his people to be free is really all i got from him. Do you think there is more to it than that or do. You think that that is enough and he won the election in the last two. Yes <hes> <hes> where where does this sort of place him. 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And now back to the show so nigel faraj the his recent outlet is the brexit parties. He's here set up. A new political party called the brexit party and they won the european union elections. I mean this is how outraged they were formed three weeks before the few weeks before aw and they won. They got more than five million votes. They beat the conservative party. They'd beat the labor party the liberal democrat party which are the three main parties in the u._k. All of them and they won and they are now the largest political party in the european parliament from across the whole of europe. They are the largest party that ah that is how strong the sentiment is in the u._k. For brexit people are still voting for brexit again and again in every opportunity they get so nigel. Joel has set up this party. I think it's a very admirable exercise. I think he is someone who genuinely wants the u._k. To leave the european union and in fact he has devoted his working light to that for the past twenty twenty five years. He was originally a leader of the u._k. Independence party and now he's a leader of the brexit party but all all along the way he has been arguing that we have to leave the european union because it is anti-democratic and illiberal and really foul institution and he's absolutely absolutely right. He organized a huge rally outside parliament. A few months ago called the leave means leave rally a lose european union really should mean leaving the european union which i was one of the speakers at that so i got to meet him to speak to him and i i've. I've very much got the impression firstly that he is someone who is genuinely committed to recovering britain's national sovereignty and britain's popular democracy crecy against this kind of encroaching oligarchic institution in brussels and also a sense from the vast crowd hold the thousands of people many of whom came up to me afterwards to talk about what i had said got a very clear sense. There are huge numbers of ordinary people who want the same thing who want us to leave the european union who want britain to go back to go back to being an independent nation so it wasn't interest be party for racists eight immigrants and hate gay people in the rest of the infuriating. I think you know the thing that i think <hes> infuriates me. Most about contemporary politics is the way in which people are so <hes> so casually written off. It's a new saying you're scum so we don't have to deal with you but instead of saying you're scum which would be un p._c. In itself they say you're racist. Xenophobic islamophobic your transphobic your all these phrases that they've invented simply to demonize certain points of view and that's been used against brexit voters to all written offers phobic nick. It's been used against numerous sections of society who simply want to defend liberal values or traditional values or conservative conservative values or any view of life that runs counter to the politically correct delete anyone who does that instantly runs the risk uh of being denounced as phobic in some way and that's such a dangerous approach. How would you connect this to what's going on more broadly with labor in general so you mentioned that ninety percent of them don't want to leave earth ninety percent of them. Don't want yes <hes> which is against the will of the people. That's one thing by now. There's all this job. I and you know anti semitic scandal corbin which now is starting. I think we're seeing the seeds of it here with the democrat. I think this new woke class democrats. They're teasing out the very things and i see this from a lot of conservative british pundits. They'll say that's the type of talk that started hearing about six seven years ago and now. It seems like it's taken over labor. Entirely i completely agree. I think absolutely you're absolutely right to draw that connection between the kind of a prejudice that is growing up in the labor party in the u._k. On the jeremy corbyn who is kind of supposedly radical marxist leader and the kind of prejudices that you see an express expressed among the kind of radical wing of the democrat party which is this increasingly anti semitic worldview world view and the the conclusion. I've come to identity. Politics is a gateway drug to actual racism because what identity the politics does does so many bad things it rehabilitates racial thinking it divides according to that biological origins rather than the question of character and who they are and what they believe so it's a very regressive form of politics but i think the worst thing that it does is the way organizers every ethnic group in social group according to whether their privileged or oppressed and and has this obsessive desire to uh-huh locate every single group in this kind of hierarchy victimhood and what that does it's meant to generate sympathy for the most oppressed group which apparently includes at an america would include african americans and muslims and so on it's meant to generate sympathy for them but what it does by the extension is generate hatred and bile for supposedly privileged groups white men straight men sis is people. I don't use the word system they do. Use the word says and choose what this these racist identity -tarian rian have done they have decided in their infinite wisdom that the idea that the jews were victims is over egged and exaggerated and not really accurate anymore anymore and in fact we have to relocate the choose away from this good group iii victims into this bad group a privileged people and as a consequence sequence of that a lot of the bile that these people throw out the racist vile i would say is targeted at not only white men and six people and so on but also at jewish people so so i think actually the contemporary semitism is not a product of the politics of racial superiority as it was in the nineteen thirties in the nineteen forties. It's a product a lot of the politics. Identity is a product of woke politics which has this kind of myopic urge to who'd divide all these groups according to whether they are deserving of sympathy or deserving of our hatred so interesting this idea that if you supposedly you care about this group that you view lower that is lower in the hierarchy that can't just be about that it has to then just the way human nature is yes has to be about hating some exactly right and what it mostly ends up doing i would argue is it's probably eighty percent focused on the hatred of yes whatever whatever background might be and twenty percents up being left on these people don't usually with the wrong solution absolutely right we see this now in america wherever all these things with harvard and they didn't want certain amount of asian people there so they start having quotas and we're literally punishing asian people for working hard in focusing on family and education. No one k. beijing people anything when they came here knowing gave irish people are italian people. Yeah wish people already what anything you get here in your ear. Look i think that's absolutely right and if anything it might even be more than eighty percent as their focus of hatred. You'll being very balanced that but i think that's right. It's it's you know everyone loses out as a consequence of the hierarchy of victimhood obviously the privileged groups that supposedly privileged groups lose because they are the the subject of hatred. It's acceptable to hate them in fact it's it's socially responsible to hate them. It's socially responsible to hate white men. Is he crazy when you hear some of these people what i see on twitter version of this is that what's coming soon enough within ten years. We'll actually be laws against these people that will punish these people yeah and and i think if i would've heard that three years ago it would have sounded crazy now. It's starting to sound kind of right that if you really the ideas of labor and what's being borne out of of our democrats coming now it won't just be about oh. We want everybody to take from some and give to others just for tax purposes but it'll be about more proactive ways. He's yeah to punish certain people and you know we're talking about reparations now at whole slew of other thing i think that's already happening in some ways where you have a situation where way on campuses on universities and in other areas of life you have affirmative action and other measures you know many of which started out with good intentions which are now being used to elevate certain social groups and to demean or handicap other social groups. I think we're already seeing the origins of that and i think it will go further from father. One of my big problems with this culture of hatred towards certain privileged groups is that it's so anti intellectual. It's so wrong so for example white men is it's absolutely acceptable in fact cherished to hate white men and you think inch civil hold on white men includes very poor people hardworking people the man who cleans your toilet the man who fixes things in your house when make wrongly includes fire fighters who will save your life you ungrateful idiots if anything bad happens includes soldiers includes all these people and and then includes incredibly wealthy people in credit the minority people who own businesses people who are bosses and sam so what the politics of identity it does i think one of the key things it does it completely raises the question of class it completely raises the question of who has things and and who doesn't have things and as someone who comes from the left traditionally. I find that really worrying where a whole swathe of people is just categorized as bad on the basis of the color of their skin with no <hes> a discussion about the divisions within that group of people in terms of class in terms of influence in terms of work and everything else so to me. It's just as bad as when i was growing up and people would do the same in relation to black people they would say all black black people are questionable by the basis that they have a certain skin color that was wrong that was wicked that was an evil approach to life because it didn't take into a consideration the fact that there are vastly different kinds of black people. The majority of them are good hard working decent people and if someone committing crimes it tends wants to be a minority. It tends to be a specific problem so it was racist to suggest that all black people were a problem. I similarly think it's racist to always racially charged to suggest that white men are a bad thing. It doesn't taking to consideration the fact that there are vast moral class political cool differences in this way the people since this woke monster. That's what i always call into monster monster that you can't quite shape or fully understand because it's always always changing and changing the rules and all those things but because it doesn't seem to really be going anywhere. Let's say <hes>. Do you think that that the populist movements that are now rising. It's not all over. Europe are the only way to get out of this and are you worried about that where that could potentially lead because i think this is a little bit where every time you talk about populism you start talking about nationalism next thing you know people think you're talking about ethno-nationalism and there's this weird sliding scale so maybe if you could kind of breakdown yeah those differently well. I'm very pro populist. I'm very anti ethno nationalism and identity and there's a contradiction between those two things at all those yeah so i i think populism is an incredibly positive moment now. That doesn't mean that all the populist movements around the world are good. Some of them are good. Some of them are very questionable. Some of them have bad ideas but i do think all of them. In the round represent a rebellion against the technocratic politically correct elites beats that have risen up over the past thirty years and we can see this with the vote for brexit the vote brace. It was a very clear statement of opposition to the bureaucratic elites that run the united kingdom. We can see it with the gent's in france who've been protesting on the streets every single week for about thirty weeks. Now i mean for a long period of the time they get virtually no media coverage was he that on c._n._n. You don't see anything about brexit. You won't see on c._n._n. But we don't even get coverage of the jimmy john's on the b._b._c. and we live right next door to france would have twenty six miles from france. It is our closest frenemy and we don't get the coverage of what's happening. This absolutely lutely extraordinarily but i think with the jeans that's very clearly a protest against emmanuel macron the president of france who is a elitist <hes> paternalistic bureaucratic politician and we can see across europe there are various left wing and right wing populist movements emerging pushing aside lied the kind of traditional social democratic right wing parties and saying. We need a new kind of politics. I think you can also see in the in the u._s. With the trump phenomenon now i don't the trump phenomenon is uncomplicated. I think it's very complicated. I think there are many problems with trump as an individual and as a politician and in terms of what he says and somebody does but i think the vote for him through the electoral college almost say he didn't win the popular vote. We know this but through the electoral college the the fact that he won is incredibly significant and i think it represented a rebellion particularly among <hes> working class voters <hes> where they were saying. We've had enough of the establishment. We've had enough of establishment. Politics woke politics. The kind of thing that hillary and others were pushing the problem in the the u._s. As far as i can see i think the democrats have gone completely nuts because what they have done is they are going further and further down the root off the kinds of politics. The people have rejected so let me pose you there so since we're saying that we should view what's going on with labor now in the u._k. As a sort of precursor to what's happening with the democrats yeah people always ask me this. Is there any sign that it's going to stop. I cannot find a sign that at any moment over these the last couple of years where the left went bananas and identity politics and all of these things trump became president as if that wasn't a big enough site. I've never seen a moment where the self-reflection in kicked in was there any moment in labour's descent that you saw a moment where suddenly there was a chance even if it didn't actually really materialized but a chance where you go now they kind of recalibrate get back to because we see through invited basically as the last chance yeah take take this old guy who now is gonna try to play your woke game too yeah but he's the last thing we got. That's the great tragedy of biden thing he he keeps getting attacked by these politicians and he keeps giving in too much to them. You think stand up yourself showed them how much man if exactly end up to them. I would be all about he could clean up in the u._k. That's a really good question because i think there were a few moments where labour thought to yourself. Where are we going and in fact fact there are still sections of the labor party sm small sections who are saying we've gone too far. We've gone too far down the metropolitan elitist elitist kind of woke polit-political route and we need to recover what we've traditionally about which was about being a democratic party patra a patriotic party. A nationalist party is sort of gets us back to where we started this interview actually because i was asking you can stay in something fix it from the inside or somehow yeah my view and i've said this to labor supporting friends of mine. My view is that labor cannot be fixed. It's lost because this has been a a long time coming in fact and i think it's been a long time coming from the left across the western world and and they've made the wrong decision again and again and again and they've gone so fall down the route of this kind of elitist distant paternalistic politics but i think it'd be very hard for them to come back from that so the point i make to labor supporting friends of mine who are still tale pro brexit pro democracy who think ordinary people are decent insensible rather than idiots. I always say to them. You just got to leave. You've got to set up your own organization. Go do your own thing because there's a lost cause but i think looking at the u._s. Some unjust amazed at the mistakes that the democratic party are making and and i just think they are making all the same mistakes of the british left of made they going in this. I have to soft spot for bernie sanders. Not in the sense of economics economic program is like oh no that's really not good but there's a really interesting tension between the traditional traditional leftism of bernie sanders which tends to be pretty much class-based <hes> and the woke leftism off the new democrats in the new left and you you can see it when they keep firing back anything while you're an old white man. We don't need another old white man. We need a young black woman who apparently is superior by dint of her racial origin boo boo carmine a little saying it is they are not that they're just going to pass on him and all the polls are showing that i know he's lost all his mojo yeah. It's not just that because he's yesterday's news. It's that they're gonna have to destroy. Yes absolutely they have to eventually destroy stroia him yeah and watching. That happened is going to be well. It gets to what we talked about before about. It's not about saving the twenty percent. How do you help them. That's right destroy the epi and they're gonna you have to do. It and it's gonna weird way. I'm gonna sort of enjoyed them doing as you know what. I mean like i don't inherently that's not how i am yeah but it's like you sort of created aided this thing i get it. You're fully woke thing but you kind of are now congratulations them calling pelosi racist. I completely agree. I think when politicians petitions like saunders and policy and others give in too much to the woke agenda. They signed their in-depth born. I think that's a very clear case of what's happened with bernie sanders in particular i think back to turning point in fact when he was a cost it by black lives matters activists and invited them onto stage and they right and what he should have said is no shut the hell up. I'm talking you can ask questions at the end and he would have got so much support among ordinary people have you taken that approach to these arrogant people who thought that by dint of that origins and they believe that they had the right to to swan onto any stage and express themselves. I think he would have won so much public support if it stood up to that but again and again that's one example again and again. He has given too much to the woke agenda so he's kind of signed his in warren in many ways but i do think that if he were to break away if he were to say i don't care about your skin. Color doesn't care about your sex by gender k. Bisexuality i care about what you believe i care about where we stand on political who questions and economic questions and that's all i'm going to judge you by. I think he'd win a lot of pool and in some ways that's what from because i too late for its yes. I think it could be too. I think he had done that. He would have won a lot of people but he made the wrong judgment on so many basically that there was a moment may be a on my mood before it went completely bananas where it's at now but you know i always find it. Fascinating that trump has always been quite sympathetic bernie sanders and he right very clever move at i think actually bizarrely they have something in common which is a desire to rise above the kind of bullshit woke crappy politics and to speak directly to ordinary people and say well what is really concerning you. What are the real issues in your life. Let's talk about both trump has done that more successfully than bernie sanders. I say this was someone who is not pro trump but he has done it more successfully because bernie has given into much much to the other distracting authoritarian agendas but there is a there was i shouldn't say there is there was a commonality mm analogy between these two men which was how can we go above this bad politics which is taken the western world by grip and talk to ordinary henry people about what's concerning them and their everyday lives. Both of those had that instinct. I think bernie has jettison that instinct and has gone too far down. Whoa crew so. I think you're apps. If people want to take kind of calmer contribution in the fact that he's going to be destroyed. I think that's fine because he made bad choices yeah. It's just crappy. It's it just is but okay so let's leave this back to to the populism that you're talking about so i understand that and then what what is either the connection or disconnection between that and then nationalism and what ben veers into what we should all be worried about which is actually ethno-nationalism yes so i think national populism is a pretty good thing because i think the only way democracy can work in a railway. I mean meaningful mingfu democracy where everyone regardless of best station in society regardless of how much money they have regardless of how much education they have. Everyone has the right to an equal say in how society's organized. I think that's an incredibly important political value. I think in many ways is the key value. The only way that value can be upheld is if you have a coherent nation a nation which is not interfered with too much by outside forces which is not bossed around by a foreign oligarchy like the european union which by the way can write laws the us british people must live by even though we have no direct mechanism can ism for pushing aside the people who write those laws through its fundamental outsource all your freedom in brussels amazing right so we don't want to associate and we don't wanna <music> outsource our democratic decision making processes but that's what has happened so i see national populism as an attempt to recover the the ideal of democracy and borders are actually central to the idea of democracy because if a nation doesn't control its own borders it really isn't a nation at all and if it isn't a nation of tool than it cannot have democracy which can only really in any meaningful sense take place within a nation humanity. Humanity has not thought of any other way that democracy can work other than in a nation so when somehow people sort of think that borders are are or somehow against freedom but actually they're the only things that ensure absolutely i think the right of a nation to police its borders into control is borders. This is essential now as it happens. I'm very liberal on the question of immigration. I would like liberal policy on immigration in the u._k. And but i think it's the onus is on me to argue fall back in the democratic sphere rather than having a situation where in europe for example the european union determines how many migrants p country country should take less implicit the anti-democratic or over here in the u._s. You have a situation where you have these kind of supposedly radical eccentric democrats. That's who just think everyone should be able to come to the u._s. Regardless of whether they come through the legal port of entry regardless of whether they tried to do in the in the reasonable way they should think the people should be able to swarm into the country and do as they please what these two things have in common is an hostility towards the idea of borders but it's an haas hostility towards the idea of borders. That's not based on freedom but it is based on the idea that the nation is a is a bad thing and democracy is a bad thing and we should just throw everything open and allow other people to decide the fate of the country mentally anti-democratic you sure you're familiar with your own heart sony and the virtue of nationalism right yes yeah so that that basically i think you just summed up his book quite eloquently there that we need these things to protect freedom so what's the part then that we have to watch out for as these movements rights ethnic nationalism is a repugnant idea. It's it's absolutely disgusting idea and i say that as i live in the united kingdom but i'm not originally a british person. My parents were irish. They came to the u._k. I'm the i'm a first generation integration british person so you know all these people who say go back home. You don't belong here. You've been here for a few years. I mean that applies to me right. I in my family has only been in the u._k. For forty five years or so in terms of when my parents came over so we're very new arrivals <hes> the idea of ethnic nationalism would expel us instantly and it would expel so many of the people i grew up with black people asian people indian people chinese people all these people that are grew up with who i know for a fact felt a real sense of attachment to the united kingdom as a nation as a political project as a democracy jose th- the ugly thing about ethno-nationalism is that determined citizenship on the basis of race on the basis of skin color on the basis a aw up the native vista idea of where your family comes from the great live sound awful lot like that identity politics exactly and and this is the great <hes> that is such key point because the great irony of contemporary politics is the kinship between these horrendous ethno nationalists list who think he judge everyone by skin color and these horrendous identity aryans who do the exact same thing and what both sides share in common is racial obsessive nurse this hyper racial awareness where everyone has to be judged according to the pigmentation or or other kinds of biologically inherited traits whereas i think the really progressive thing to do and i know progressive means something different in the u._s. than it does in your but the the really decent thing to do the really decent thing to do is to judge people not by their skin color but by the character that famous company it was buddy. Someone said it but you know holding onto that i did is important right now. Characterists won't counts belief is what counts your willingness to commit to the nation into your community. That's what counts. It doesn't matter what color you are doesn't matter what sexual doesn't matter who you sleep with it. It's the question of who you are as an individual and i think that is an incredibly positive idea and is under attack from both sides. It's under attack from the supposedly all right which i know is an overused phrase the ethnic nationalist and is under attack from the left identity and i think defending that idea that you can be part of a nation regardless of where you originally come from how important we have our work cut out for us. Why unfortunately i'm gonna let you go now but we will do this again. Soon news. It was definitely sooner than two years but yes we doing air. 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The water quality of the streams and rivers is in the project area and worked to restore wildlife habitat nadia ramleh gone reporting in california patients and healthcare advocates are rallying on the state capitol steps today in favor of assembly bill eight twenty four which combat so-called pay for delay deals in which pharmaceutical companies pay generic drug makers to keep their products alex off the market. The first in the nation bill has to pass the state senate appropriations committee by tomorrow in order to get a full vote this session assemblyman jim. Jim would've santa rosa who authored the bill. Says generics introduced competition in help drive down prices for consumers. If you can keep people on the the brand name drug for longer it costs your insurance company more money. 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It's <hes> labor day weekend. It's just how we do things around here and we got lots to talk about man. Cal the ball is well underway and a bunch of stuff about what you know when you talk about college football man my big takeaway at least from week to week one so far that a lot of freshman i'm in quarterbacks out there all across the country. Mike wilson is that right or what freshman quarterback in a lot of freshman quarterbacks extremely well. It's pretty interesting. We got one right in our backyard. Don't we hear what the arizona state sun devils so. We'll get into that. Obviously you were there to take in game aim one st some devils <hes> we'll get into all of what's going on so far in college football but yes. You're right that also means. We're one week closer to n._f._l. Football too so that gets started literally next week man. I'm excited if you can't tell but we're getting loose for getting warmed up. There's so much to get into get at us. 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If my mind my memory serves me correctly because i believe he's got something going on this weekend but <hes> we will talk a little bit of baseball but i want to just get a quick little thing in here about the u._s. Open obviously <hes> cocoa goth took on naomi. Oh saka on on saturday and it didn't go extremely well for her. However with that being said there was one of the coolest specialist moments that i've ever seen in the in the sports world in general. Did you happen to catch what happened. After the match between osaka and cocoa goth <hes> <hes> yeah i saw it on. I saw it on tape. I didn't see it live but i thought on tape and and i have to agree with you. <hes> you know i my knowledge of tennis doesn't it doesn't even come close to what's yours but i recognize class act when i see it and what else talking did in terms terms of being so gracious to the young lady cocoa <hes> was unbelievable book yeah it was pretty impressive to say the least <hes> it's a it was something that i honestly i've never seen on the women's side for sure because normally it seems to me like they are a little bit more caddy when they lose however naomi asaka put all that to bed for me and i was a huge fan of hers before that mike but i'm an even bigger fan of hers after what she did with cocoa that was extremely eh above and beyond the call of duty. That's her time to get the limelight and she understood the moment she understood the fact that this is a young lady who was was fifteen years old and the fact that she's taking this stuff in the way that she's able to take it in. It's pretty amazing and then to see her crying the emotions that she just felt i honestly i. I know what she felt. She felt like she was a disappointment and to be totally honest she she was the farthest thing from a disappointment. It was just a matter of her going out there and playing a gal. That's number one in the world right now. We're one of the top players in the world for crying out loud and she's fifteen and she's got a lot to learn. I think that that was the story that i took away and osaka was gracious gracious in victory. I'm sure she would have been a little bit upset. As far as it goes if she would have lost that match but truth be told under the circumstances you can stances. I've never seen anything like it and it was really really nice to see yeah and you wonder you know just just how better veteran sports world would be if we had more people like asaka that recognized <hes> you know what she was talking about in terms of cocoa and just showing the graciousness <hes> in her win and saying those things <hes> about cocoa just alle better sports would be aware. We just had a little bit more of that yeah. No i agree and we'll we'll talk more about that later with amy lundy sports journalist who writes for e._s._p._n. Dot com we'll be a contributor for a new app called tennis hennessy one. We'll we'll talk to her about. What's going on at the u._s. Open just a little bit and i do want to talk a little baseball with you bro because some craziness has happened here over the past. I don't know a couple of weeks or so where the chicago cubs have definitely kind of in in a bad way for me. They've been able to flex their muscles a little bit and establish themselves as a team that is definitely in the wildcard at least right now and they have a three and a half game lead over this is one. That's going to surprise you. The arizona diamondbacks who are somehow some way four games over five hundred relatively impressive and the philadelphia phillies who are three and a half games back as well milwaukee four back in the metro four back and i'd pretty much say that those guys are out of it but cubs jobs have definitely made a pretty good move them along with the nationals. I feel like have somewhat asserted themselves as the two obviously front runners for the wild card but i ultimately think think they're the two teams that get in mike no. I'll agree with you there because i've been playing good ball. They've been doing what they're supposed to do. If they wanna get in the playoffs playoffs you gotta win game <hes> and they're winning games you know they're they're six and or under last ten however but <hes> the i totally absolutely agree with you back <hes> the chance of them getting in to the playoffs to the wildcard at least <hes> is is very good at this point and it's it's it's nice to see hobby buyers as has played really well and and i'll tell you what every time you know. I'm a cubs fan but just watching. I don't know how anybody freddie cannot enjoy watching hobby by as play baseball <hes> he's just fun to watch plays with a lot of passion a lot of joy <hes> mm so if they can get to the play offs. It's just going to create a bigger stage right yeah. No i mean obviously if i'm not mistaken is he is a contractor or is that next year i believe this is a contract year yeah so you know you know with his play and you know <hes> he's. He's hit you know for him. He said quite a few home runs and but they pay they pay him to play defense. I mean i <hes> you just i. I haven't seen a guy play defense like him in the infield or longtime little bit kind of reminds me of all these smith from the cardinals from back in the day in terms of play. I i mean look. He does obviously lead the team in r._b._i. I believe at eighty five or something along those lines and then <hes> you know you look at his games played. He's played one hundred and thirty two games. He's had five hundred and twenty nine at bats. He hits for an average of two who eighty two but with that being said you know the guy lead your team in r._b._i. Has twenty nine months ago along with it and you're right i i. I think he's one of those guys if people wanna see rizzo and other guy people wanna see him. He's a guy that steps up for the chicago cubs in in the postseason before and you know what i i look at them as a team that if they get in trouble man they got a lot of talent mike so you know it is what it is. Let's take a quick look at the other side real quickly <hes> as you have cleveland now on top for by a half a game. He got oakland glenn right. They're not at up with the rays boston. Somehow some way they're like getting themselves somewhat close close to being in this conversation but they're still five and a half games back ten games over five hundred at this moment who wins this thing out man is in oakland or the tampa bay rays. I i think cleveland's gonna wind up being in them or the twins one of those to wind up being in but i think the twins of kind of take gotten a little space between namen cleveland now so cleveland oakland tampa who gets in two out of three or you're right with minnesota they have gained some space or four and a half games. It's up on cleveland and i think cleveland is the one that gets in <hes>. I would like to see oakland get in. I think that would be a great story 'cause they. Just i mean the the stadium thing with them. There's always a threat last couple of years. Maybe then moving to portland portland's trying to get a major league team in and as are on their radar but <hes> just the story of oakland <hes> being a west coast guy man. I'm a little partial to gain those west coast teams <hes> yeah i mean it would be cool and i agree with you. The story's pretty awesome <hes> and for that matter. I think the tampa bay rays story is pretty awesome awesome too i mean. I don't think you can lose either. One of those teams getting in. I think the good news is that we're not gonna see the boston red sox in there. We'll get a little bit of a different team team in there and you know they're they're the team that won it last year so <hes> somewhat disappointing for red sox nation but i'll be honest man it it's refreshing and for the rest of us that just wanna see different teams in there and let it be cool to see the nationals make some noise. It'd be cool to see the twins. Make some noise to be honest. Honestly that's a team that usually falters during the the postseason so we'll see how it all shapes up. Obviously we gotta take a little pause for the cause. I do hear the music behind us so keep it close close. Everybody it is a special edition of the door fonds sports labor day weekend edition so keep it close. Everybody mike wilson antidote will come right back. I drive the jeep right by roberto the lead then he will work with the ball field buxton's out around the howdy alike jordan lukla now to homer his eight th of the year he's driven three runs on tonight and we are at seven. 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Edition labor day style l. here on the door funds sports weekend edition while man just think about the week that was the weekend. That's going on right now. Obviously u._s. Open being played right now. We'll have a college football game later on in the day. Obviously that's a big one houston and oklahoma so you know what college football kind of owns the weekend can't hear mike wilson and rightfully so it's week one of college football. We've got week one of the n._f._l. Coming up next week but what a crazy weekend man. We got upset so gently yeah. We got upsets already. We got freshman quarterbacks that <hes> surprised many people <hes> i just like the sun devil fresh quarterback jaden <hes> j. daniels there so <hes> you know we got that next guy from from auburn last night beating the tigers back against those pesky ducks <hes> so yeah. We got a lot of stuff going on and it's just to have college football back my man. I'm telling in the year so how embarrassing loss for tennessee is that and by the way would you say in all honesty. What was the most embarrassing loss of the weekend is that is that the most embarrassing loss of the weekend tennessee or now boy. It's number one. It's real close. I mean look they. <hes> you know tennessee paid georgia's state a little over nine two hundred thousand dollars to show up and and supposedly get the <hes> and georgia state georgia state take coaches his salary the only well only but i mean relative turns is half a million bucks <hes> from georgia state so they made more just showing up tennis they pay their coach which i kinda kinda interesting little funny there but <hes> that was an embarrassing loss and if you're if you're walking top nation right now you are fit to be tied <hes> a little bit or lots <hes> knowing that it's the s._e._c. football of everything in that conference so <hes> <hes> you know we. We had a lot of close games. <hes> we had <hes> we had some games were just it just went the way that it did <hes> but i will say that that auburn oregon gang kind of lived up to what i thought it was gonna be. I thought it was going to be a very good entertaining game and it was a very good entertaining game with auburn auburn coming back down fifteen with four minutes ago the third and you know they all. They need to feel. I mean i'm sure you're watching the game then and they said screw that we're going. We're going to produce baby in the end zone and win it that way so <hes> you gotta be happy with <hes> with what you saw. I if you're auburn you still can be happy with what you saw from the ducks last night. The ducks are a good team like let's not think that oregon worried in season. It's completely over and done <hes> but oregon's against jim. It's just what auburn made the place when they had to <hes> they played a little bit more physical style late in the game <hes> i will say the ducks look gassed by the end of that game as well and <hes> you know there. There's there's some back to the drawing board kind of stuff oregon but they're not completely out of it. They're still not looking win. The pac twelve title game <hes> those kind of things but <hes>. I'm just a lot of entertaining football. Look i. I know we do have a caller jumped out to our caller in just a moment but look what we're talking about. Freshman quarterbacks and <music> bonex is another freshman quarterback that struggled throughout that whole game to be honest with you. Mike yeah i did watch the game obviously <hes> my girlfriend was hating the yesterday yeah because on watching is tennis and football and she's bored out of her skull so yeah football is back and she better get used to it. I guess is the word but but the truth is as we saw ourselves and other freshman quarterback go out there and do something at the end of a ball game where i'm telling you what man i didn't have any faith in throughout that game so the fact that his coach had the the confidence in him late in the game to to be able to go down and drive yeah yeah i mean there wasn't a lot of time left on the clock either. When you think about it <hes> a young. I going through all those progressions late in the ball game. I i was really impressed is man it was it was a relatively impressive drive and yeah oregon literally. You know kind of blew it. If you ask me they they should have had a bigger lead in this game. They really should have a bigger lead in this game for them. Only have fourteen points at half. I was very shocked at that and then being held to seven points in the the second half allburn did their job man that defense really stood up and held their ground and they were able to score twenty one points in the second half so auburn made the adjustments a lot better than oregon did and if if if you ask me that's the reason that auburn was able to win this ball game and then obviously just just a very impressive late dr <hes> <hes> by the auburn tigers man yeah no point one of the things that that happens justin herber <hes> the oregon quarterback back when he gets pressure on or just like any quarterback you get pressure. He starts to hurry his throws. It gets moved around office spot <hes> kind of thing and he doesn't perform as well well q._b._r. When he doesn't get pressures and saying when he does get pressure like it's like nine it's insane what his keep yard of by simply getting pressure on him and then the opposite happened at the other end i mean you and i would both agree that bo nixon was getting plenty of pressure from the oregon defense for a lot of that game at towards the end of that offense blinds stiffened up <hes> receiver stepped up their game and he was able to complete some throws make some plays <hes> <hes> with with relatively less pressure than he was getting in that first half <hes> from the ducks so yeah bonex <hes> he he's going to be a handful all and to deal with because he's only gonna get better. That's the thing you gotta be freshman. Quarterbacks they are freshmen and a lot of them are true freshman so you you know they were walking around in high school cafeterias. You know six months ago <hes> and now they're playing major college division one football so <hes> <hes> you know and one thing that i will tell you that this guy does not get. He's getting some pub but it's from your great state of wisconsin up there badgerland johnson jonathan taylor now that guy is a stud and he should be if not already in the heisman trophy discussion. The guy runs around everybody through. Everybody catches the ball. I think you know total yards for an end yesterday or in that you know about one hundred eighty eighty three hundred and eighty five yard comp- total complete game. He kinda reminds me of christian mccaffrey a little bit. He has speed he can hit guy. You know he can go through the twentieth twenty two tackles and he can catch stuff out of the backfield that all around athlete that people need to be paying attention to yeah johnson taylor by the way i i may have made a big mistake on this one because <hes> before the season started he was eighteen to one for the heisman trophy and i'll i'll tell you why eighteen to one on jonathan taylor's ridiculous <hes> just i'll give you the numbers you you you. You basically said them but i'll give you the splits sixteen eighteen carries one hundred and thirty five yards two touchdowns ago along with that two receptions for forty eight yards and another couple touchdowns to go along with that the guy had four touchdowns week one so yeah you know the johnson taylor is going to be a guy to be reckon with weakened weak out and last year the the signs were there to be honest with you and you know what wisconsin did is they went on the road to south florida and they literally made it rain there bro forty nine into nothing and i literally was raining that night when they were playing there because they went out there and they just put a hurt on those guys and their quarterback look to jack count i mean he he played all right to so at the end of the day. Wisconsin's got a pretty good squad and big ten football all across across the board relatively pretty good michigan state had a pretty good showing ohio state went out there and played all right. <hes> michigan played alright penn and state. Yeah you name it man that the the big ten is back l._s._u. Looked pretty good too they they. They want pretty going going away. Fifty five to three and they took care of one of those schools rules that they should've georgia southern. You know like you're saying georgia state one on one of being able to go in there and take care of tennessee. Look when you play these teams. I i said to you the other night. When about do you have to dominate these teams. You have to destroy them. Winning thirty seven over can stay yes. It was impressive and i and i know that it was the first time we got to see jane. Go out there and you saw it up close and personal. Did he look like he belonged at this level. Yes or no yeah yeah. He looks like he belongs. 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Are we're going to jump out to the phones and we're going to hook up with one of our great callers here on the program none other than mitch in santa monica uh mitch in santa monica. You got the door man. You got mike wilson. What's on your mind today brother. Hey don't forget to sunny here in santa monica here dork man i mean. Can you know you can't forget that. <hes> what's on my mind <hes> first of all <hes> yeah the the asaka got koko interview man i wa- i was watching the the match and really showed what a true professional is. Versus a right. I think <hes> star out just hoping that cocoa as a fifteen year old with so much composer <hes> on the court is going to turn into hopefully what we're all dreaming. She's going. I'm to be kinda. Take the women's game and kinda pass the baton from serena and venus and and whoever <hes> you know make i heard the next generation where my mind is this preseason of college football. You know we see each and every year <hes> we're the first week i two weeks or just basically like preseason games or it's more like a college professor once gave me the greatest advice worldwide was leaving college. He said you know what the big decision your life your first job at your second job because your first job is gonna set you up to take that second job and that's basically what these games are unless of course e._s._p._n. E._s._p._n. or fox or a._b._c.'s paying big money to play someone. I mean basically playing nobody in these games are just kind of ridiculous. <hes> so what do we see we saw basically the the pac twelve is pretty much could be the pac twelve. <hes> don't what the big ten is in the s._e._c. is gonna be s._e._c. Is this gonna be another. Just alabama clemson year forgot i hope not but it sure looks like it on paper and it looks like on the on the screen right now so we'll see what happens in the college football world now. I'm sure you know what's really waiting for is myopic mitch and santa monica n._f._l. Preseason super bowl pick because this'll be the day to do. It and i don't know i been waiting so you've been waiting in the world is waiting. Is this year that we're gonna get rogers and brady now with the first year. Matt your coach and green bay. Maybe maybe not but i do know we've got a revamp aaron. Rodgers healthy and air aaron rodgers a fun exciting commie loving wonderful spirit aaron aaron rodgers is kind of settled down with his life and you know what this could be it so i'm looking forward to and hate finally dorfman. Did you off the sports summer tour and get on the music summer tour estonians this week i mean hey let me ask you something <hes> because you brought so much to the table but <hes> yes rolling stones were in town a phoenix arizona. That's a treat for anybody. Obviously there are there legendary van man so let like mitch and santa monica. I happen going to have a decent taste for what music is all about my friend but i gotta ask you man. You didn't mention this and i'm i'm actually kind of shocked knowing that just from the time that you've been on the show with us you had a daughter that went to wisconsin and obviously they took care of business in south florida and by the way our thoughts and prayers i with those people in florida and anybody that's being affected by the hurricane because holy cow man that that is like the mother of all storms and we honestly our hearts in prayers are with you. People be safe for calbears man they took on u._c. Davis in you know. I'm sorry but that's where your other son goes and he he's. He's your son your other son but you have two kids if i'm not mistaken and your son goes to cal and he's in the marching band so twenty seven to thirteen over u._c. He davis what's going on with the calbears man well. I watched that entire game on t._v. And it only had the <hes> tennyson on the asaka and the other <hes> you know what if the mets nature's gonna wanna get to calbears is going to go to another bowl game there. You have to clean their act up. So you know when you whoa i play on the first kickoff fumble it spot the u._c. Davis which by the way is not a bad team seven points and three turnovers <hes> in the first <hes> sixteen minutes of the game <hes> you're basically playing from behind so you know the calbears coming off the what was it the cheese at bowl in the beautiful nine six game that they played last the greatest game. Oh that actually said was of the entire season because you are for. There's so many turnovers. It was so exciting. I mean you know if they're expected to actually get checked. They're taking the next level <hes> they're gonna have to clean their act up because by the way they're playing at washington the next week which is kind of really nice for them that in some ways they did struggle that <hes> they're gonna be able to get a little slap in the face so yeah calvert didn't look great but when it came down to it in the second half davis had nothing and cal really just took over so if you watch the game you saw there were definitely mistakes that could have been cleaned made up <hes> drop passes. It was just a comedy of errors in the first half but they found a way to win and paper if you look at it twenty seven forty okay if it wasn't it's a major blow up but u._c. Davis by their the cream of their of their conference you know those guys can actually play <hes> and the badger basically that was the usual typical big ten schedule your patsy opponent <hes> type of victory. I mean they didn't get appalachian state on them. So you know what good move on <hes>. Let's get through the non conference and we'll see what happens. <hes> let me let me let me throw this in there because you brought up something that i think is interesting and i think that mike aac alluded to this earlier. You know sloppy. Play is kind of part of the first month or so of n._f._l. And college football and also also you're seeing a lot of young guys out there on the field. We we've talked about a little bit. You know or auburn has a freshman quarterback bo knicks is out there. Asu has a freshman quarterback out there. There's a lot of freshman quarterbacks. There's a lotta guys kind of feeling their way on the field so mike mike said this earlier and i don't know you never really gave it a timetable mike but i would almost say me personally about the first three or four four weeks or so are going to be somewhat sloppy because you have a lot of young guys learning new systems. A lot of freshman quarterbacks a lot of skill positions with with gun guys too so mike in all honesty. About how long does it take for these guys to settle in and when will we be seeing a little bit higher quality game then. We're seeing these first couple of weeks for me. It should be about rick three. <hes> you know right around when the the league play place starts <hes> so it it it takes about that long with with any team but when you got these freshman quarterback invokes in guys noticed a rollercoaster by one week. They're gonna look good and jason daniels. He looked all right you know he wasn't he wasn't on fire or anything like that but he didn't suck you know so. It's going to be a little bit of time and and look one of the freshman quarterback that i forgot to mention that came out victory yesterday. Was that kid from boise state. They went down into seminal land and that kid yesterday eat. He definitely looked like <hes> like he belonged. Did he have parts in the game where he started a little bit yeah. What did he get. He got them a win and on the road at florida state and say what you want about florida state. It's still a big time legit win. <hes> on a power i five field <hes> so that that kid <hes> certain look like you belong yesterday and and and you know we're going to have to keep our eyes on on that kid. What about three weeks pay. Let's let's give a little bit of credit so less miles. I mean he did something. I don't care. I don't care who kansas is playing man. He did something kansas where they don't normally do on a football field and that's when they beat indiana state but less miles gets. It's a victory for kansas in his debut for them that that that's gotta be significant to a certain degree but mitch basically what i was trying to get out there as i heard what you said you you said something about the preseason games for college and i know you're kinda joking about that and now here's what i'm going to pull this all together. Do you think that at the n._f._l. And their pre season is too long with the four games that they play because we see guys like tom. Brady aaron rodgers drew brees. The main guys are really really not gonna play anyway so along with what you just said about the theme of these two first weeks of college football kind of being the preseason is the n._f._l. Preseason listen too long and do you think they'll finally make a change with it mitch <hes> i would say the n._f._l. Preseason right now the teams love it because it gives them four weeks weeks. Four games evaluate players whittle down their roster because basically you start off with what you start off with. What you have is about fifty percents <hes> man so we're seeing now and my kinda said about the n._f._l. Doesn't get their stride together. You know because the starters are playing precinct preseason anymore. You know it takes takes a couple of games or even the n._f._l. Teams to get their act together <hes> they might you know i've i've heard the new kind of grumblings of well. We don't want to lose the revenue type of thing and now that the might want to add two extra playoff teams to compensate for that <hes> and then get rid of a game but i don't think there's any reason they go from two from more than sixteen regular season games. <hes> having the four preseason are nice but you know what it's it's pretty much unwatchable football unless you really fanatic and i mean for black and by the way if you're betting on preseason football please don't even think about calling into the show i mean yeah. There's something there's something wrong with you. I agree with you. Hey no but but you just look look. This is what i'm trying to say okay. We're all complaining about the quality of what we're seeing right in the first few weeks then my my my answer to this is actually going to be opposite. Why isn't author more preseason games. I'm sorry but if we're upset about the and i get i know why okay because of injury get it okay but but truth be told if we want to see a better quality game then maybe they should put more time into the preseason or with that being said maybe some of those older guys that are taking the whole preseason off shouldn't be taken all preseason off because their rhythm timing is still offer weeks one two three of the regular season yes or no mike no. I'm right there with you. I mean with with all this. I think the preseason with the n._f._l. Should be should be short. <hes> and you know it like you say it takes them undo three weeks. We'll find the rhythm okay short in the preseason. Let's just get this thing going. Site rather have hold on hold on so you'd rather have have more regular season games and less preseason games. Is that what you're saying. No i'm not saying i want more more raila. She's in games. Just cut. Cut the preseason down to another week or not another week but you know take away a week still have sixteen games. You know it certainly it's going to shorten the season wanna shorten shortens up <hes> and when it ends but i don't think these guys need more <hes> more regular season games that that goes against everything that they're trying to do with the safety of the game all right final word go ahead man final word for that you've actually increased the pre we season and that teams have now <hes> group practices before their actual games where you have the road team comes in a day or two or three three before and they're practicing together so they almost have like a walk through of a preseason game without the fans out. There actually work on the stuff mitch and santa monica. It's glad and we're absolutely excited as all. You know what to have you back man. I'm glad you're summer tour of music over and you're back to the sports world brother. Hey we're streaming last night. If it fits the night we all loved it. Colorado's joe tonight dream it man last night number tours over all righty mitch in santa monica the guide on sports guys music and we love having them join us on the program kiva closer buddy. We gotta take a polish the 'cause we'll come back and wrap up our number one. He's mike mike wilson. I'm eddie dwarf. It is the door fonts sports weekend edition special edition here on labor day weekend. This is dorf on sports <music>. It has been said that everyone has a book in them but do you have the time or the ability to write your book. Maybe you picked up some skills or head a life experience that you wanna pass on in the form of a book to help others. Maybe you wanna leave an autobiography for your family or maybe you built a successful business in your what is your your story at dorrance publishing company. We have professional writers who can help turn your book idea into a finished manuscript. 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We have our number two on the horizon. That mean is we'll speak with amy lundy sports journalists journalists rights for e._s._p._n. Dot com and going to be a contributor for a new app coming out tennis one so i'm excited to talk to her about what's happening at the u._s. Open obviously some great stories stories there with coco goth getting a third round nick curious going down the ruble of last night. That was really really fun match to watch because it was tight it was close but three cents is to be sets medvedev i don't have you been watching a lot of the u._s. Open yes or no off and on <hes>. I was gonna ask about medvedev controversy the other night and fans kinda got on him with with some stuff that he was doing or saying so yeah. He's a interesting fellow. He was just a little bit annoyed that night and obviously kind of let things get better emotions a little bit and kind of made a gesture that was totally uncalled for but i do know the music behind us. We gotta get the heck out of dodge. We'll get more into that with amy lundy on the other side and just a little bit but our number one in the books our number two on the horizon. He's mike wilson dwarf. It is the door fonts sports weekend edition. We'll be back in a sports fan. This is anti door check out my show or fonts boards a highlight sunday each and every sunday you're listening to the heartland news feed ready nip work at live dot heartland newsfeed speed dot com. This stream is supported by advertisers and contributions by you. Follow us on facebook twitter and instagram's welcome to the public news service daily newscasts for thursday august twenty ninth twenty nineteen gene. I'm mary sherman. A new citizenship. Role for children. In the military born overseas also are nationwide rundown texas volunteers troubled by stories of migrants trapped in mexico and general motors feels the pressure to join a clean car standards deal. The trump administration is making it more difficult for the children of some u. S. service members and u._s. Government employees living abroad to automatically become u._s. Citizens according to a policy alert released wednesday the rule appears to primarily affect the children of naturalized u._s. citizen serving in the armed forces who have not lived in the u._s. For a required period of time that number is is estimated to be about one hundred people each year while the latest policy guidance doesn't make anyone ineligible for citizenship it appears to narrow how children abroad rod can gain citizenship volunteers who have been helping desperate migrants arriving in el paso say they're frustrated to see those people now being forced to stay in mexico. Dan hyman reports. The trump administration pressured the mexican government to stop migrants before they can ask for asylum in the u._s. 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Especially florida over labor day weekend the storm is expected to grow closer to a category three as a category one during caused ause flooding and power outages across caribbean islands now to north carolina where a major highway project in raleigh will have to incorporate environmental protections as part of a legal settlement daniel parkhurst policy manager at clean air carolina one of the plaintiffs in the case. He says the plan for a six lane. Highway and tolls will will increase traffic emissions and urban sprawl is just frustrating environmental organization to see the old motor thought of more people means. We need new wrote. The transportation department will have to take steps to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from construction equipment protect the water quality of the streams and rivers in the project area and work to restore wildlife habitat nadia ramlogan reporting in california patients and healthcare advocates are rallying on the state capitol steps today and favor of assembly bill eight twenty four which combat so-called pay for delay deals in which pharmaceutical companies pay generic drug makers to keep their products off the market doc it. The first in the nation bill has to pass the state senate appropriations committee by tomorrow in order to get a full vote this session assemblyman jim would of santa rosa who authored the bill says generics introduced competition in help drive down prices for consumers. If you can keep people on the brand name drug it for longer. It costs your insurance company more money. Your premiums are higher at 'cause all of us more money and that needs to change to would step up enforcement of laws against these types of deals dell's in place the burden of proof on the drug companies to prove they aren't making payments for anti competitive purposes pharmaceutical companies argue this law would open the floodgates for for expensive consumer lawsuits which could drive prices up school is back in session but not for many of montana's preschool aged children this year eric take it off explains after the state legislature funded two year preschool pilot program in two thousand seventeen lawmakers were unable to come up with a deal this year to continue backing early childhood education setting montana back into a pool of only six states that don't provide funding for preschool tala dillon with the university of montana's bureau of business and economic research says studies have shown kids who attend quality preschool do better in school later on the thing about having universal pre-k is that it puts everybody nobody on an equal footing it doesn't favor those who can afford to pay for preschool rather than daycare in the two years before montana's pilot in two thousand seventeen eighteen about fifty eight percent or fourteen thousand three and four year olds were not in school according to the annie e. casey foundation. 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It's pigskin opinion from mike storefront sports for me so much to get into to from college football week. One is come and gone for the most part we do have <hes> oklahoma and houston on sunday which is special because college football owns the weekend completely because we all know n._f._l. Football is here next week. All gets kicked off thursday night with the oldest oldest rivalry in football the packers and bears baby. I love it and obviously we don't know. I'm a green bay packer fan so i let it be known right away. Welcome in everybody saudi. Welcome in mike wilson how you doing buddy. I'm doing really good. Yes you are a packer fan. You're a unapologetic packer fan which is perfectly refine. My wife is an unapologetic steeler fan. She makes no bones about it so it's all good. It's what's called being a fan. You know you're here. Hey a your unapologetic dolphin fan and you know what for that buddy i feel bad for. You know what happened with them. 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Looking looking in zone has the receiver bleeping four touchdown dog fakes a handoff. He's gonna lob it deep toward tord ross in the end zone and touched our great catch john raw as he somehow maneuvered up and over for marlin upgrade. You're listening to dorfman sports here on your favorite now. Here's an welcome back everybody. He's mike wilson listen. I'm andy dwarf. It is the door found sports weekend edition special labor day weekend edition get at us eight hundred eighty seven eight seven five thousand nine hit us up on twitter from mike pigskin opinion for me it store sports. Mike obviously wanna talk a little n._f._l. Football with you brother. It's one week away and actually not even quite one week away. We obviously get started thursday night with the green bay packers and the chicago bears the oldest rivalry in professional football and you know what <hes> lot of interesting cuts man. I was actually really surprised to see the running back from the bills. Let go and then the chiefs jump all all over that and pick him up reuniting with andy reid. I i love that movie to be quite honest with the obvious say lost their running back kareem hunt from things that he did off the field and then they decided to move on but i'll tell you what interesting moves. We'll see who gets picked dopp. We'll see who gets cut obviously but n._f._l. Football is here brother. How excited are you know. I'm just excited for pro football. I was i am college football. I mean you alluded to it right there a lot of wheel and deal and all of a sudden and it certainly safe to say the dolphins. You don't wanna college that they're in tank mode but they're spoiled tick mode for getting rid of players. <hes> you know offense. Lineman skill guys taste. They're they're gonna tear this baby down. Build it back up through the draft or getting draft picks. <hes> the person that i you know even though fitzpatrick it's patrick was named the opening day starter you just there's a part of me and i mean i know you talk about all the time that i got a special thing for josh rosen but you know rose in you know asked by the cardinals gets stuck behind back godawful offensive line and now in miami dade they get rid of a few offensive lineman <hes> and a lot of experience on your mind and you know at some point. They're gonna put rosen in there. <hes> <hes> and i don't know if he's going to have the same thing that he had an era zona but you know this guy is getting is gonna that'd be stuck behind offensive lines that just can't wall or will struggle to keep him upright and i just kind of feel for the guy a little bit <hes> but <hes> leshan sean mccoy reuniting with andy rain kansas city. Let's just have the rich get richer and little big. Mccoy can still play was a few years ago no no but nobody is <hes> but that's just another weapon for mahoney you know to to throw the hand off to do whatever <hes> so you know that's gonna be fun to watch and the texans watch out for the texans. You and i talk about the texans quite a bit and i know you like attack them. I like intact. <hes> we're big sean foster. <hes> you know fan sean sean wash watch yeah jerry <hes> but <hes> the texans are going to be a team to keep your eye on as well and they said san diego but the l._a. Chargers are leading nineteen gordon that running back seek a trade. I don't know i don't know what to think about that. <hes> i like to hear your thoughts on that whole gordon situation relation for the chargers well. I think it's it's they're trying to do something before it gets ugly you know and that that brings up another conversation about ezekiel elliott and what happens with him in the dallas cowboys. I've been hearing that they're working extremely hard to get a deal done for four the regular season starts. I'll be shocked if one doesn't get done to be honest with you they understand the importance of ezekiel elliott and melvin flash. Gordon and i think that's an interesting situation too. I think they're just fed up with them. They're like look. You know you've gotta contract. Play this thing out. Work it out after after you go out there and put in some work and i i'm. I'm kind of a big advocate of that. In general i is equal elliott. This is two years before his contract comes up. He's still got twelve point nine million left on the deal. I i think guys are just getting crazy and caught up in the sense of look man <hes> i have to i have to get paid and i have to get paid right now so it is concerning to a sense but also i i get it guys. Wanna get paid. They're playing really physical game and with that being said <hes> you know the news of andrew up calling it quits and and you know people are comparing that and saying well he he left early. Why did you leave this and that and the other it's his prerogatives man if the guy wants to get out of the league and be able to raise his family and be able to walk and not have issues later on in life i i'm all about it man more power to the guy guy shady mccoy getting back with with andy reid and the kansas city chiefs dude. That's another guy that can get the ball obviously can run it out of the backfield. I feel for me catches the ball to. It's literally another great weapon. I mean this is. This is a guy that gives them a little bit of everything so i think the kansas here's the chiefs really help themselves. If there's anybody that's going to be able to beat the new england patriots. I do think one of those teams is the kansas city chiefs and then the other team team that you've talked about was the chargers. I actually think they've got a legitimate shot. They were pretty damn good last season two so look. It's gonna be interesting thing. It's gonna be fun but at the same time this is going to be a war. There's going to be a battle. I what do you think about the arizona cardinals man well. What what's your what's your what is realistic expectations for the team that we have right in our backyard four wins like i just see that i hi steve is not going so well <hes> for kyle murray and kingsbury in their first year in the desert <hes> now. It's not to say that you know this doesn't it doesn't turn around and they get the appropriate weapons. Tyler just doesn't have the weapons. <hes> you know. The receiving core is there. You can say what you want about fits but you know fits but everybody else is not there. <hes> you know d._j. He's been nelin boy the last couple of years one because of injury but two thousand had gone years <hes> running the ball and for this this kinda the offense to kind of take all you you need your main is and you need weapons to be performing at a high level and then when you think about they gotta play seattle twice. Gotta play the niners slice. Gotta play the rams twice. <hes> tell me how many you know someone's going to have to convince they see you know a lot of wind coming the cardinals a out of a division of house those kind of quarterbacks and offensive schemes team and let's not forget about <hes> seattle having a good defense now that they got j. the clown yeah and then you got inter donald and in that whole ram defense <hes> in l._a. So you know when you when you look at the team in terms of their their weaponry and what they got as far as personnel you kinda. You just kinda kinda. Throw up your shoulders and your hands you but then when you look outside of that and you see the teams teams that are just in their division okay. They're they're going to struggle 'cause they got good quarterbacks. They got good defenses and they got good coaching so anna. A big thing that you left out is that they've got to rookies leading them along the way they got a rookie head coach and they got a rookie quarterback and you know let there's gonna be growing pains no matter how we wanna slice it and by the way i wanna give a shout out to ks r._n. For picking us up as well now you get us in many different ways so we appreciate them. Picking up the show starting this week as well and you look at the end of the day you're only as good as your offensive line and and the offensive line has been historically bad for the arizona cardinals they do have a guy. That's pretty mobile now. I think that that's a tough spot. You because you don't want this guy running too much. One hit could probably end up for him. He looks really small out there. I know he's a tough guy and he's got a lot of heart and i know a lot of people have ah wants and desires for this guy to be really good and to be the savior for the arizona cardinals i i think we're getting ourselves a little bit speeding before expecting that to happen this season but look at the end of the day man this this is going to be an interesting fund season and i do think that the arizona cardinals i want to those teams that people have their eye on will they or the cleveland browns live up to whatever people's expectations. I think that that's a really a good question because the cleveland browns people have all kinds of expectations of them getting the super bowl win game i but anyways and then on the other side you got the cardinals and people are wanting thing to see what kind of a disaster it could potentially be. 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If he's mike wilson it is door sports weekend edition special labor day weekend style edition here on the program and we're now going to bring an a._b. Lundy sports sports journalists who writes for e._s._p._n. Dot com and a contributor for new app called tennis one here on the program and welcome into the show me how you doing good morning howard you guys can't complain you know it's another day in paradise for here in the valley of sun very hot and humid and sticky but right. Obviously you've had an opportunity checking out what's going on at the u._s. Open for people that have never been like myself. Kinda give us a little bit of the picture sure as to what it's all about. How many people are out there and how much people love the game of tennis that are actually they're. Oh it's so much fun. It's just such a great atmosphere especially. If you like city you like new york mark <hes> it's each has its own personality and this one is just really. We've vibrant full of energy. <hes> you know you you out to get a cocktail or something you get it right away because things happen in a new york workman it in new york and this u._s. Open in particular <hes> has been setting record numbers for attendance. They had around seventy thousand each day. <hes> come through the gate which is a record number and from what i understand. It's setting correct sports t._v. Ratings as well so tennis is having a moment right now. I agree one hundred percent. That's the voice of amy lundy sports journalist rates for e._s._p._n. Dot com. Hey let me ask you this in i. I have a feeling they're part of that. Buzz is what took place on saturday. Hey with coco goffin saka. It was an unbelievable moment for the tennis world. It was an unbelievable moment for the sports world if you ask me seeing in how gracious they only are soccer was in victory or she didn't want the limelight completely to herself and she understands understood the moment for coco golf extremely well talk a little bit about that and how that may help the game of tennis in general and especially the women's game well. I think what happened with serena williams the final last year <hes> people reacted to it it differently you know. Some people thought that it was very negative and reflected poorly on the sports. Other people thought that it was good in that it brought certain continues to the forefront whatever the case people started engage more tennessee. Dan and i think people have really started to see the players more a human being <hes> people who cry they have their laugh. They have the good moments they have. Their bad had moments that you know they have these moments where they just sort of covered themselves in glory and that's what happened last night you you know after naomi or saka on the court just plushed cocoa docked at the net at the handshake she just completely whitly broke with protocol and in crowded cocoa to view the post-match interview with her and that's what they did and <hes> it was just a very touching and wheel genuine human comment which i think will cause people to <hes> engage with the sport marin see the players more as human beings talk. Go ahead mike hi amy this is mike wilson nice to talk with you today and you know as any the the resonant tennis expert <hes> between the two of us and i'm more more of a <hes> when when the majors around that's when i kinda pay attention what this this major favor because because it's new york eric and it's all the by that they have that new stadium is is spectacular looking <hes> but when i look at when i look at the men's side here here in your opinion does jovovich take this thing or is federal going to be good enough to beat the joker or you know. What's what's going on there well first of all. I'm welcoming you into being martyred. People just parachutes into the gram they have plans but it's a great way to it because that's what the inside kenneth shit happens outside of the grand slam. He's just sort of those. That's for the hardcore but kennedy's like all kinds of different fans. I'm glad that you're enjoying this grand slam. I why a lot ah about data now i write for a website is part of the e._s._p._n. Keeps you only called five thirty eight and they do a lot of political stuff and and predictive predictive analytics up but they also have the sports section and so i can tennis writing them and <hes> so i got my mind a long time ago. I'm just gonna lie about that in terms of trends and and things that i like and i'm not gonna do prediction so i won't predict but i will tell you that i tend to like the player who actually use statman olympic in other awards. They have that elegance to their team like you know the baseball guys are using it or the n._b._a. And the players that not only later that how that that <hes> postseason or elements to their training but they are also have the personality to be able to accept it you know like it's not overwhelming for them so the players that do that that are left in the field and jovovich cetera <hes> and the doll and eric team those guys <hes> you know i i interviewed multi <hes> recently a few days ago for for an article. I'm not sure that he's using a staff. He's more of an instinctive spire. So you know i i my guys. <hes> joke that he's definitely one of them doing his scouting so you've got a blanket access a very tough match yeah. That'll be an interesting one. That's the voice of amy london sports journalists e._s._p._n. Dot com and a contributor for new app called tennis. Just one tell us a little bit about tennis one yes so it hasn't launched yet. They're putting the finishing touches on it right now they are. They wanna be the go-to app for you. If you wanna know scores if you wanna know draw us and you know we all have problems looking at the dry. It's like especially at the beginning of the tournament. It's like you've got hundreds of players and you just want to see it like big and it's hard hard to see it on your phone or they've got this feature that patient pulpy shera will you can look at the very easily and <hes> sort of intuitively early and then they're just gonna have a whole lot of different content. They're going to have <hes> different contributors and i'm gonna be writing about stats banana. Let it for them and i'm also educating doing some travel stuff. You know like let's say you wanna go to new york and you wanna get ticket kids and just experience the grand slam and where do you stay you know how do you got the rich and stuff like that. I want to contribute to them. In such a way that i can like give advice and say don't do an airbnb. You know get a good deal here. <hes> and i'm really looking forward to that because i love <hes> giving advice to like the casual fan. Get them more engaged with the sport. Absolutely nuts get stuff. Hey before we let you run. We we gotta get your opinions on nick curious and also the now medvedev. These two guys are fiery play with a lot of emotion. Obviously curious went down down but medvedev still in it <hes>. What are your thoughts on those two guys. I'm in the camp but i love <hes>. I think you're great the game. <hes> you know obviously. I don't like to see curios. <hes> do something that really over the line like spitting right something like that <hes> i mean i thought a video the other day where he took his house white like under his arms and some other places in many through it to a fan yuppie like cable for yesterday. I'll you know that kind of gives me the klenge but i definitely in the camp that i think they're great for the game. Bring on earth run the guys <hes> it's fun. Hey we appreciate appreciate your time. Amy have a great day. We'll catch up with you. Maybe for the australian open. What are you saying. I would love it my pleasure. You guys have a great amy lindy's sports journalist rice for e._s._p._n. Dot com she will be a contributor for a new app called tennis one coming out pretty soon. We gotta take a little pause for the cause. We're gonna do it will come back continue to wrap about the sports world. He's mike wilson. I'm andy dwarf. It is the door fund sports weekend edition <music> <music>. Did you know ladies and gentlemen that two-thirds of all men they start losing their hair by the age of thirty five and if you notice you might think think it's too late it's gone go to four hymns dot com one stop shop for hair. Loss also skin skin care sexual wariness. It's all for men. It's science so you don't have to be bald. They connect you with real doctors. 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It's door font sports. Mike i mean look we have yet to give our predictions as far as what's going on on on the n._f._l. Might be that time my friend. I mean who's going to win all right. Let's let's do this. Let's start off by divisions. Who's gonna win the a._f._c. Is it buffalo celo miami new england or the jets. I'm going with the patriots once again. How 'bout you brother <hes>. Let me see here. We're the super bowl england yeah until like you know forever so yeah until at least until hey until at least tom. Tom brady retires okay so that might be another ten years. Who knows the guy never gets touched. We talk about all the offensive lines that can't protect anybody that offensive line as a hell all of a job protecting him and that's why the guy's playing at the age of forty. Some odd years old plays really well at that age i am s._e. East might be interesting dallas cowboys. All boys are starting the year an interesting way who will see if ezekiel elliott get signed before the week ends and obviously week one begins. The giants are in this <hes> division the eagles the washington redskins. I'm gonna go to eagles. Who do you get. I'm with you. I'm gonna go oh at the eagles and carson lance and <hes> you know if if and when i mean it's just a matter of when when ezekiel shows up i could take it a little bit different different but really i do think that the cowboys could be interesting though obviously if they have all those weapons on offense awesome. Everybody's playing together and everybody's playing happy. I i actually think they they have a legitimate shot to win that division but i'm gonna go at the eagles just on a hunch inch our ideas see north. We've talked a little bit about the cleveland browns and them living up to the hype. The cincinnati bengals the baltimore ravens who i think with lamar jackson jackson and we'll see how he progresses a little bit this year the pittsburgh steelers and much different situation there now for big ben doesn't have a b doesn't have levy on bell. He's got got some new guys. James connor juju smith schuster smith under the he's got a bunch of different guys to be throwing the ball to and and handing the ball off to and we saw what happened with him and james connor last year. I think it was a pretty decent start to that relationship. I'm going to take the pittsburgh steelers man. I think that they still flex their muscles. This is a little bit and i think cleveland. <hes> doesn't live up to the hype. What say you mike wilson. I'm with you and and this has nothing to do do with our house basically a steeler household <hes> by getting rid of a._b. In lady on <hes> the vocal drama groups group is gonna work wonders and i heard something this week <hes> from burma football writer who who asked <hes> head coach my tom talking about the whole problem with a._b. And were there any other problems with a._b._c. Besides what we know of thomas just goes. You have no idea like you. You don't know what i know. How crazy so <hes>. I think i think cleveland much hype right now because they haven't done squat. I think i'll ask you think we looked finishes third in this. I think the ravens finish second yeah. I was gonna say i think baltimore is pretty tough man. I just think the john harbaugh finds a way to really really bring out the best in his quarterbacks. Ability and lamar jackson will just get better. I think truly i i. I really liked the kid. I use his legs allowed but this guy can get a little more accurate. They're they're gonna be forced to be reckoned with. I don't disagree with that. <hes> n._f._c. See north chicago bears detroit lions green bay packers minnesota vikings first thing i'll say right away as we got ourselves of division full of breath relatively good quarterbacks in this one we know about cousins we know about rogers we know about stafford we know that mitch trubisky came onto the scene last season and if he progresses even more the chicago bears could be tough khalil mack and the defensive side of the ball for them that they've got some weapons. I wide receiver spot. They're solid at the the running back position. I actually really liked. The chicago bears a lot like minnesota a lot. <hes> this is a tough one for me. I'm gonna take minnesota because i think that what they did last season eight seven and one was about the worst possible scenario that we could have ever imagined for them. I think the bears bears overachieved a little bit and you hear me keeping my green bay packers out of the mix and i want people to realize i'm a huge green bay packer fan but i'm also really objective about situation situation to they're not that good football team at least yet in my humble opinion and with the rookie rookie but a new situation first year head coach coming in with with aaron rodgers their. It's going to take some time for things to be figured out so i'm going to minnesota. I'm going chicago. I'm going green bay and then i'm going detroit in seller color but i want people to realize i love the packers but i am objective and that's to my zone cardinal fans that are listening to us because y'all get delusional. Y'all think they're going to be ten and six. That's not happening unless something absolutely insane goes on in the league this year but i like the minnesota vikings in this in this division mike no. I'll take your your advice right there with the packers and stuff. I was having a hard time figuring out where the packers pit and all the best <hes>. I'll take minnesota first chicago second angry bait and like you said detroit rare. Look what i'd be happy. If something else takes place and somehow the packers are in the playoffs and to me to be honest with you. That is something that has to happen for the packers akers this year. They have to be back in the playoff mix. They have to be a team that is looking to get into the playoffs but that to me is an improvement <hes> a._f._c. a._f._c. south. We've already talked a little bit about texans. Indianapolis colts obviously a whole different ballgame there now with the retirement of andrew luck <hes> the jags. They've got nick foles in the mix. Is there titans i. I don't know what's up with them. They seem to be a kind of up and down year to year in and year out there. They're kind of a different team and i really liked the houston texans now that the indianapolis colts don't have andrew luck as their quarterback. I do think nick foles is a guy hi that can help the jacksonville jaguars make some noise. That defense is pretty good. We'll see how they are offense but i'm with the houston texans to win that division. You'd be crazy to choose anything but houston <hes> in that division i mean they picked up some more players and miami. <hes> you know they they did get rid <hes> cloudy clowney <hes> but that defense is still going to be solid. I still think even what you call eight percent now quarterback indianapolis. I still think indeed can be the second place not above <hes> tennessee and jacksonville tennessee. This is make or break year to me for mark marietta so they've there's been a lot. There's a lot of hype obviously coming out of oregon in the draft <hes> he asked to get one asked to stay healthy to he has to show they can beat a team into the playoffs deep into the playoffs. Yeah i don't disagree. I think it'll be an interesting division into to watch throughout the year and we'll see how the colts respond to <hes> andrew luck no longer being there the n._f._c. south falcons carolina panthers authors new orleans saints and tampa bay buccaneers. You got ta now the the quarterback whisperer there with the tampa bay buccaneers and jameis winston. I think it's an interesting <hes> a season for them. New orleans saints. We know how good they are. Drew brees that that that that's a good defense. That's a tough team to play at home if they have homefield home field advantage throughout the playoffs look for them carolina panthers. I expect big things out of them. I think christian mccaffrey as a breakout season i think cam newton and figures out how to use that guy atlanta falcons they could be good to mattie ice. Maybe he has a year where he gets back in the mix a little bit. I actually think this this is may be one of the best if not the best divisions and football <hes>. I'm gonna go with the new orleans saints but i'll tell you what it could be. Any one of these teams wants to be honest with you mike but i just think that the talent on new orleans is superior to everybody. Else thinks i'm i'm gonna go. I'm gonna go carolina's carolina's second atlanta tampa bad bringing bringing up the rear but you are dead on nail on the head kind of stuff with this could be best division in football ball because they're they're in a solid talent with each one of these squads and and when did inner division games are are play. Those games are gonna be just you were important. Those teams absolutely all right a._f._c. West denver broncos kansas city chiefs l._a. Chargers and then the oakland raiders <hes> <hes>. I guess i'm gonna say the broncos will be in the seller. I think the raiders are in third. I think that the the chargers the chiefs are to really really good football all teams. That could go either way but i'm going to give the nod to the kansas city chiefs. I do like the pickup of shady mccoy. It just helps them tremendously and obviously melvin gordon. You're not playing right now for the chargers. They're letting them seek a trade. I think there's a little bit of dissension. They're going on right now. Ultimately but truth be told they have a lot of talent eighteen allen great wide receiver. We know about philip rivers. I think that you headed race but i'm going to give the nod to the kansas city chiefs. Yeah i gotta give it to the chiefs. I mean they're just so loaded with talent now. Shady mccoy ended up there. I mean it's just like getting them. The rich get richer and turns talent. I'll take the chiefs the chargers i'm actually gonna go broncos and then the raiders bringing up the rear all right all right folks here it is and if see west we've we've got her arizona cardinals who are under backyard. We got the rams. We've got san francisco. We got the seahawks. He just made that deal for giovane connie. I i like that. I think it's pretty nice for them san francisco. This is the return of garoppolo from his a._c._l. Rams they're returning from a super bowl where they didn't look so good and the arizona cardinals those are coming back after a year they got rid of everybody and they got a whole brand new situation here. I like the rams man and i think that seattle is going to be tough. I think san francisco is going to be tough and i think that the arizona cardinals unfortunately are going to be in the cellar. They went somewhere between four and six. Games is my humble opinion. Yeah no. I'm right there with you. I mean the cardinals bringing up the rams. When business can neither am talent they got. They got the no solid and the group but the other two teams often to. They're going to be just a good. He got jimmy g. coming back. You got russell wilson will rescue do <hes> and at n._j._i._t. Beyond cloudy only help that squad so <hes> although rams seahawks niners cardinals cardinal all right sounds so ultimately then who do you have in the super bowl. I know it's a long way away and a lot of injuries and things can happen but let's just get our our super bowl picks out there just just for the hell of it just just for just for the hell. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. Thanks it actually gonna go. Texans detected saints and texans. That's not bad man. I like that. I'm i'm gonna stick with the new england patriots though for some weird reason i just think that they they own it and and if it's not them i'm gonna say the kansas city chiefs. I'll give you two. They're on on the other side. I'm going to go with the minnesota vikings. Maybe and the other team that i'm gonna roll with would be the new orleans saints just like you. I think that they got a lot of talent so i got four teams that i think are in the mix <hes> but ultimately man it's the n._f._l. Football season and it stands for not for long for a reason because injuries can happen. People can get hurt. Things can happen throughout the season that makes it really difficult for what we just said to have happened but obviously i hear the music. We gotta take a pause for the cause we're going to do that. We'll come back and wrap up our number two and the door funds sports weekend edition. He's mike wilson on-and-off. We'll be right back. Everybody pretty close. I had ten they got the ball with falls under center from the forty yard line of four man front the snap the spin of flipper the limit plus. It's a panther falls winds up on the phone side same text which posting double teamed over the shoulder forty one yard strike. 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