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"george kent" Discussed on Opening Arguments
"Pretend you're one hundred hundred percent right so But again remember that there. Is You know sort of a snowball of the audience building and at some point right the things you see with your right. The the question is no longer going to be punditry and moving the needle. The question is going to be okay. Hey you just saw X.. Witness testified A. Y.. On national television. What do you think about that right? And we will be sort of past punditry and into you kind of actual. I would hope so but I also want to point out. They're treating it as though the American people are like it's it's like You know one of those was America's got talent shows where if you get the audience voting by their mobile phone then we need to be treating this as rather than asking the question. Did Democrats convince of viewer. Not of just the underlying facts which we all know are bad but that they did it in a theatrical enough way to convince some like alleged not very observant instead of that the one hundred percent of the focus should be well y Republicans not doing the job here. Why are they doing their job? Why of why they lying constantly like it should be? And it's it's why started the show. This weight should be one hundred percent of the focus should be on. How does this testimony demonstrate weather or not? The President committed a crime in particular committed the crime of bribery under eighteen. USC TO A one. So so I I think that that segues nicely into the next section. which was we saw some of the various trial balloons on on defense get get tossed up And I'll I'll go over the ones that I have if I if I've missed any We have some overlap no So the the first one and again we're GONNA go move in the direction that I think. The Republicans are going to move towards right We've seen well Zoe. Linski said he didn't feel any pressure which is irrelevant and false right. It's it's irrelevant intern. False in the sense that you never ask the victim of a crime. Hey how'd you feel about that crime right in front of everybody. This is. Yeah this is like the age old sexual harassment example. Where you're like? Oh well the boss man is like oh well Cindy was fine with it. Weren't you so D- right in. I like that is one hundred percent. I mean like literally legally speaking. That could be a more perfect analogy right so so we don't go any further on that Except to say again. And this is why I would start every hearing with those three elements which can boil down to two elements was there quid pro quo and was there. Corrupt intent so quid pro quo is demanding something of value right so whether the other her side feels pressured or feel like that's not relevant. It's not part of the statute. It is not a defense to bribery. Right if if I go to president trump and I say I will pay you a million dollars if you will leave office right now would be foolish because A.. I don't have a million dollars and be Donald Trump. Larry we can raise it though. Raise you know. He's stealing not much every second. Why would he but but but if I do that right trump can laugh in my face? But I'm still guilty of bribery. Right like that. Yeah that's all it takes right. I did bribery. What Iraq Ah attempted? Chemistry Yeah So that is entirely irrelevant and false in any of it so there is something You know there's something going on with the timing that I think is maybe worth trying to break down Let me know if I have of this right because I I do think that while I agree that this defense doesn't in the end work. I think it's it it. It makes sense that they're we're doing. It's probably what I would do to if I were you know. Evil is they're trying to say will will I. It's clear that Zelinski and others like maybe didn't even know about the fact that that trump was going to not going to withhold the thing and it seems as though maybe that's because the the the diplomats involved were trying to like not. I even tell them it sounds like and then like they did eventually find out but The money was released anyway. And you know. So there's something fishy with the with the timing of that. What did you have an opinion on our could clear that up? I do so that this is the argument of well. You know they. They released the eight anyway right. Well that one I think that just is the fact that What politico or somebody was going to publish an article about how horrible this was does? And so they're like Really even it is and it yes yes. Aunt and the aid was released on September for the eleventh Congress made a formal request for the whistleblowers complaint on September tenth. This is a a defense. I predict the Republican. Like they're gonNA they're trial ballooning it. Now they are going very quickly abandoned because It it the the evidence that contradicts their timeline is also evidence that that is going to support The argument against ultimately where where I think their defense is going to morph down to which is well. You can't you can't really prove corrupt intent right like you. This was just just put a pin in that for a second. Because that's that's ultimately the end of this time In terms of right whether and how the aide got released the I don't see I don't think you even are going to need much in the way of witness testimony to know that the strong wrong arming call took place on July twenty fifth and funds. Were not released until September the eleventh at which point after the the whistleblower filed the complaint after it was about to go public after. It was clear that you could no longer keep doing this as a as an elicit backchannel well and it also sounds like I've gathered from this that the guy was the prosecutor was getting ready for a CNN interview. Is that Yup I hallucinate because holy crap this is like you were caught. You know like Batman catches the joker with like a you know a bomb arm or something tied to somebody but they stops them and then the jokers defenses like well. I didn't but I didn't do it. Bob That that's nothing on me and and keep in mind the other thing that I think That can't testified to really effectively that they'll probably put in the mouth of Taylor retailer other than endorsed. It was that the second half of the quid pro quo. which is the white postponing? The White House visit right because that is again unambiguously an official act. And you'd seen Republican sort of doing the while you know it's a ceremonial you know. It's kind of a White House. visit sort of thing and and George Kent Very powerfully testified that that was one of the most important and tools in the diplomatic arsenal. Right that as a as a career diplomat when you are the just elected president of Ukraine one one of the very most important things to you to solidify. Your position in the world is to come and meet The the president of the United States at the White House And and you know that there's a little bit more lifting right. Because I think intuitively the the idea of like. Oh well you know meet and greet at the White House But but this is really. It's it's unambiguous and it is absolutely A thing that the trump administration held over the heads of of of Presidents Alinsky And so I don't think ultimately Lee at the end of the day judging by the first day of questioning There's not much to say on the facts. Right there clearly was a quid pro. Quo So I do need to mention the stupidest thing I heard on television and this is like there's an awful lot out of competition for the spot but I don't know if you heard this representative Mike. Turner arguing that. The Sixth Amendment prohibits hearsay testimony. Tony Again I'll slink the sixth amendment in the show notes No no doesn't We've talked about here. Say A lot here say is as a rule of evidence with twenty three separate exceptions and lots of things that are defined out of it The the I think the argument that Turner's staffer was trying to make for him. But did so incompetently is sort of a confrontation clause kind of argument. Right the idea that you know you are entitled as a criminal. Defendant to confront the witnesses offering testimony against you which again a no? You're not during an investigation. Be there lots of exceptions and see the president will have the right to do that through republic so it. It's just it's just a nonsense argument. It's not true And if you have an uncle clarence uncle frank in your life saying that. The Sixth Amendment prohibits hearsay Shum Domino pleasant show transcript. Yeah and it's like. Are we to be surprised that we can only get testimony from people saying Oh my God these other people are breaking the law and not the people breaking the law coming in saying. Hi I broke the law like yeah. Of course it's going to be people who are witnesses to this behavior and and way worse than that because the people by and large with direct first attend evidence are the people that Donald Trump has directed not to comply with the subpoenas right that they are the so the more that this argument argument is advanced. And you're already starting to see Democrats doing this. The more that that they advance the hearsay argument. Rather than do you know the Andrew thing because of course I care about the statute no do the Adam Schiff thing do the political thing which is yeah. We totally agree. We'd we'd much rather not have hearsay testimony Can can you tell the president to have mick mulvaney testify then because Debbie Super Cohiba. Rick Perry can we get him and Giuliani in here of the mark. Can we even get the notes notes that the State Department is apparently withholding and and and again and this was a point. I was GONNA make but I'm GonNa make it now because you bring it up One of the things that I found incredibly heartening about yesterday's testimony is Something that I shouldn't have to be he which is UC Adam Schiff With the guidance of the lawyers working for the for the House intelligence committee preparing herring to make their case with maximum obstruction by the White House. You shouldn't have to do that if you told me. Two years ago that the president is it was going to completely obstruct an impeachment investigation. I would say yeah well that that's that's Nixon that's Watergate it's over his approval rating is GonNa drop to thirty percent and he'll be impeach tomorrow. so yeah so right so yeah hypothetical Andrew was wrong on that one one. But I'm but I'm owning up to it. The fact that they are so so yes. The White House has an ally in Bill Barr who who is a criminal and they are falsely without justification instructing witnesses not to participate -ticipant and not to turn over documents. I mentioned Mick Mulvaney. I'm going to upload this was just filed two days ago You might remember the Cooperman case right. Cooperman was issued a subpoena by the Congressional Intelligence Committee. He was directed by the White House to disregard it. And so he filed a declaratory judgment lawsuit Basically saying okay you know like like the maze ours Lawsuit Basically saying Okay Court you tell me do. Do I have to comply with this or not. Initially Mick Mulvaney filed a petition to join that lawsuit as an interviewer and yesterday say he withdrew that motion. Here's what he said the his lawyers. After further consideration Mister Mulvaney does not intend to pursue litigation negation regarding the deposition subpoena issued to him by the House of Representatives rather he will rely on the direction of the president as supported by an opinion of the office of Legal Counsel of the Department of Justice in not appearing for the relevant deposition in light of the above representation. He respects you. Know he respectfully suggest that there's no need to For the court to consider and withdraws his motion so that's where we are trump loyalists at the direction of a corrupt department of Justice Are saying nope. I don't have to comply with a lawful subpoena and it's on you to force me to do so the you that's wrong and we're going to be litigating that for years But trump knows there's yes absolutely we will be we'll we'll be litigating the aftermath of this for years right so the the the House Committee knows that. For many of those witnesses There there were not going to be able to get a judicial order in time right. We just aren't. They can run out the clock and so they are preparing pairing to move forward with documents and testimony from hostile witnesses as a bonus right and so Are Are there. Are there things that that we make it I certainly think there are things that we make it right so a good illustration of that is just yesterday we've talked about The the trump versus maze ours litigation right and that the The U. S. Court of Appeals for the DC circuit ruled that as ours has to turn over trump's taxes The trump administration filed for a petition Russian for rehearing on Bonk That was denied. Eight to three by the full DC circuit yesterday so Now that is teed beat up that must be appealed to the Supreme Court and And so we will get a relatively speedy resolution in mazars right reminder and and if you're thinking well you only need four votes for Cert- And there are at least four howler monkeys on the Supreme Court. You could think that but the Supreme Court might also not want to touch this right like. Yeah this is. This is such an open open and shut case that you know we know John. Roberts will not vote for certain but I could see the you know. The the the conservative live the howler monkey contingent Not Great I mean..
"george kent" Discussed on Opening Arguments
"Talk a little bit about the the lawyers for for both sides I think you see you know not much needs to be said about. Dan Goldman Right. He was hired January Of Twenty nine thousand nine as soon as the Democrats assumed Control of the House of Representatives to assist the Intelligence Committee. Yes yeah so. He's been working for the Intelligence Committee. He's been working with Adam Schiff For the past eleven months and before that He was a prosecutor in in the southern district of New York. And you know he's great. You also saw an and a bunch of people have asked about this. You saw Steve Caster. Who is the Republican publican lawyer to whom most of the members of the committee delegated their time and And and I will tell you right in caster is also a very smart lawyer right watching him and there were certainly in my view questions. That were are stupid and Beth but I attribute that to the fact that you know that much of a case to work with toothpicks right. Hey Hey you don't have much of a case to work within. They're not trying to dispute the facts and be He. He is in in some sense. As far as I can tell a true believer right right he will you think so I was Gonna ask you if it which of those two things it was like. Is He a you know just a guy like well. I'll take them. They'll take your money but this case sucks which kind of what I was leaning toward or is he like now I believe what what is the thing that he is. A true believer of vent is getting really believe leave. The trump did nothing wrong here. So you're right to drill down on what I mean by true believers. So here's what I mean. He has spent fourteen years as a staff turney on the House oversight and Government Affairs Committee. Right he was one of the lawyers who questioned witnesses. During the Benghazi hearings is of course a member KNBR federalist society and has been endorsed by a rogue's gallery of members of the Intelligence Committee of members of the House. I should say Including Jason Jason Chafete. Trey Goudy like so. He he seems to be in one hundred percent alignment with the farthest farthest. Right wing of of the Republican Party He he is also willing to play dirty in these proceedings. seatings and again uncle Clarence. I know you're listening Here's here's my specific evidence right and does just to but these are two egregiously terrible things that I haven't seen reported in a lot of places right. The first by far are the. Most egregious is during bill. Taylor's deposition now not during yesterday's publicly televised hearings right but during the no vendor sixth deposition of Bill Taylor which was held behind closed doors closed off to the press But four which pursuant to HR six sixty. We now have the transcripts he outed the whistle blower outed the whistle blower in questions to to Bill Taylor where I'm going to link in the show notes. This is page two thirty five two to thirty six. If you don't want to know the name of the whistle blower and I'm not going to read it on the air Then don't read these pages but but but here was the line of questioning and again I wanNA give the full. Aw context so that you can see what he's doing so there's a question of all right who have you been talking to right and then question. When ended the fact that there was a complaint lodged about these matters? Come to your attention bill. Taylor's answer I'm not sure Mr Caster question the whistleblower complaint. When did that? I come come to your attention. Answer the whistle blower complaint question. Yeah answer I guess when I read it in the paper question okay which was towards towards the end of September or before it was made public. Taylor's answer no no no no in the newspaper question okay. Did anyone try and contact. Contact you to find out any information any first-hand information Taylor's answer no question. How frequently do you have conversations with the deny the director of national intelligence about these issues? Any answer I think not and then here we are question. Okay okay does a person by the name of and again I'm not gonNA state the name of of of the alleged whistleblower. Does the person by the name of that ring a Belfry you answer. It doesn't question so to your knowledge. You never had any communications with somebody by that name. Answer her correct. Now you WANNA steal man that line of questioning you can say right. It's just a lawyer. Zealously advocating thing right doing his job. that is it is totally inappropriate To out the name of the whistleblower in again I you can read this. The name is right there. This is not It's not sealed it's not redacted and since we know via Donald Trump junior that is part of the Republican Strategy to to bring down public wrath breath on this civil servant I find that dirty trickery. It's not something I would've done even in in. You know. Zealously advocating for my client. That's point one point two and and again I'll provide a link for this during Fiona Hills deposition He laughed openly laughed at her complaining about being smeared by Alex Jones on infowars which led to I again something. I haven't been practicing law for twenty three years something that I have never seen before. which was Fiona Hells lawyer demanding that the record reflect flecked that the questioning lawyer is laughing at the witness and you know that this is low no laughing matter and then led to castor Mr Garage? WHY WASN'T I? You know I laugh at a lot of things. It could just be right so So I'm going to I'm going to include that As well mic of that and as you will again. I'm not saying that this guy is a criminal. I'm not saying that he's evil. I'm saying I think it is fair to say that he is one hundred percent on board. With what the Republicans are trying to do. Sounds like a troll willing to fight dirty. Yeah he sounds like a lot of people who who are I. Guess you'd say supportive of trump. Where you can't you don't know if they're being ironic you don't know what they actually? He just sounds kind of like a troll but in the end I guess the only only thing you know is that they're probably glad about what's happening to the country. Yeah math that could be so So they're sort of your your legal background on the question is obviously like I think Thomas you and I probably both agree that like. It's so much better. Watching lawyers. Lawyers questioned witnesses than watching the members of Congress for instance and made it Kinda cool when they let the members of Congress questioned them that. I actually liked that a lot so I kinda like both. I like that. They started with the lawyers. That was a good idea. And then getting you know different members to Committee members to to ask questions. Actually that part kind of felt a little refreshing because it was like okay. Now we're not going to be in just lawyer speak mode. We're going to try to get a little bit more more of the storytelling aspect. You know there was somebody who went through I think it was Taylor's military history and stuff I was like wow that was very compelling And just I think that made for great soundbite material just in terms of like you know. Here's a sorry. I just get so frustrated with this whole thing. How could any objective observer look at these two witnesses and their records and the fact that probably Republicans they're not this is not a the liberal conspiracy and look at what they're saying and then on the other side you've got just a bunch of yelling about conspiracy theories and not objectively objectively? Say Okay. Well this is obviously one way like of course and you know it so let me say two things to that. Right number one I think this goes is to your point that that you have made all along that every step of the way you have been precious about and that is that once once there is an actual impeachment trial under way that public opinion will will will will shift because now you have the opportunity ready to sort of get unvarnished. Unin term mediated direct video and audio testimony from these people and you look at them and the average average person. Ensure like you're not gonNA shake loose you know the thirty percent of trump's core base right like they're they're they're lost right but can you shake loose. Uncle Clarence who looks at Bill Taylor And sees a career military civil servant you know. A Guy awarded awarded multiple medals for valor in Vietnam. Right like a you know you. You know you're not looking at Bernie Sanders up there right like you you know and I mean that no disrespect debris centers right. Like you know you're not looking at Dennis Kucinich who wants called for us. You know Have a love ring around the Pentagon John Rightly the this is. This guy's not a pacifist I also thought he there was a slight chance he was an OA listener on two occasions. Right at his. No no no no. I was not top five percent of my class at West Point I was top five at westbound I laughed at that one and then at he used our analogy from From Episode Three Twenty Six of describing Ukraine as being occupied coupon. I'd I think he said seven percent. I've seen figures as high as twelve percent. We said twelve percent but he said yeah. Seven percent of Ukraine's occupied. That's like if the Russians occupied Texas Yeah that yeah so well In answer to what you just said I'm gonNA forgive me but I just have have to get this out. I don't know if it's going to affect the public because we still everybody has to be a pundit and it's it's driving me crazy I was watching this on. PBS because I try I because I figure like we'll just do PBS. And they get done with the whole thing and even on PBS. Gosh Brian I'll try to minimize mice clown horn usage. You get done this whole thing. And we get this quote that could just be you know a parody of discourse in the media for now until the end of time which was well. I really don't think Democrats moved the needle on this one. Can we does everybody have to be a pundit describing what they think doc. Some sort of voter is going to think upon watch. Can't we do what happened. Did always used to be this way. Why why why is all TV? That wasn't anybody just sitting they're going. Oh well I've looked at the facts. I've seen the testimony. This is really damning. Should probably be impeach. It's all got to be not my reaction. It's gotta be what I think somebody will will. We'll react to doesn't matter. What the facts are? It doesn't matter what the crimes are. Nope all I care about is did Democrats move the needle. Yeah no I don't care if they move the needle it's not the voters job to impeach. It's it's the it's the representative shops you impeach and if the Senate job to hold that trial and we're treating this like if they if if there wasn't fireworks everybody all these pundits have some vision in their head probably from Perry Mason of what impeachment should look like like a guy should break breakdown and say I did it. I ordered the code. I ordered the bribery. Otherwise Democrats didn't move the needle and it's just driving me insane. It really is I. I couldn't agree more so I won't. I need to come down. So we're GONNA do an ad break. Hey.
"george kent" Discussed on Opening Arguments
"Because people have gotta know whether or not their president's. You're not aware of any contact during the course of the election. How many times can you shit? Large extent it's corrupt and its fate asked the president of Finland to question place. Yeah let me give you my conclusion. I which is I'm really really happy with what Adam Schiff and the Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee. You're doing and I'm going to break that down from a legal legal perspective The the one thing that that I'm GonNa do on this show and I encourage you again to you know share out this show with your were uncle Clarence who's maybe willing to listen And and I I wish I get that. There's a time time-limit right so the one thing that I wish that Adam Schiff would do in his introductory statements that were going to do on. This show is is A A and that is that is a reflection of how lawyers give opening statements right. And that is you start with the legal standard of the thing that you're trying to move right and again on Ukraine there is one law here. I mean that's part of why this is. This is a really straightforward story to tell that law is eighteen. USC Two oh one it's the bribery statute and there really are described as three elements. The really are two overarching elements to that statute right. So the first two elements are that an elected official has to demand something of value right in exchange for being influenced in the performance of any official act. And that we've got to. We've gone back and forth. If Republicans WanNa call that and the presses already seized on that as quid pro quo quid pro quo. I'm okay with using that. That rhetoric right I I. We've talked about ways in which it's misleading But you know it's sort of like I kind of you it as The like messaging war over Obama care for a while right like you know frank. Luntz was like we should call that obamacare and you know Republicans following Slavishly on Franklin's messaging called it obamacare and after about six months the Obama administration was like okay. Fine you know. We'll let's call it. Yeah I am and it does provide care for people racist okay so then when you people polled how do you like obamacare versus. How do you like the affordable care? Act there's a vast difference in so maybe maybe that wasn't a good idea but I was gonna say. This reminds me of setting up the whole collusion thing. which which was a pretty you know honestly it was a pretty good trick? They pulled but it was funny to me because it's like they try to do the same thing. Oh we'll set it up for quid pro quo quid pro quo a high. Yes we've set you up for quid pro quo and we review you the evidence and there is a actually is okay. We should've picked thing that Murder we had murdered. You're saying there's a murder and there's not clearly clearly they kind of messed up when they're just describing exactly what happened. Yeah and I think part of why a really really good point on on Obamacare but and sort of put a pin in this I think Republicans are really starting to back away from an concede the quid pro pro quo part right because what we saw in the hearings right. We're we're very little that contested. The underlying facts right on on those goes to elements. So we're they're really GONNA shift to is the third part again only three elements right So the first I to are are subsumed by the quid. Pro Quo right. Is there a demand of something for value in exchange for being influenced and the performance of any official act Yes and and then the question is was that done with corrupt intent and And that's where the Republican defense is shifting. And by the way that is exactly exactly what we predicted. And I'm I'M GONNA go on record with another prediction kind of as we as we go through the The testimony but but I thought thought we would look at some of the defenses that were advanced during the the Taylor and can't Testimony Tony and talk about the legal significance of that. I watched the whole thing. I wrote down a few of them. I'm curious to see. Yeah we'll go for it. Well I don't want I mean the problem with this whole thing I i. It's hard because the injustice of it all is so frustrating that I I have a hard time just talking about it because it's all their clear as day clear as day and and for my mind. I'm curious what you think about this. This how do you feel like the democratic Questioning time was was used. Because it's hard because it's clear lear is that you have the the guy is like I. Yeah he did the thing I he was it was Mr Trump Conservatory with the thing. And then and that's one minute and then had forty four minutes of. Oh so where's the conservative. It's just a bunch of stuff that's like okay we already. We already know what happened. But we still need to ask a bunch of questions around it versus the Republicans which was just throw spaghetti at a wall and some of it's really ridiculous Spaghetti Spaghetti from two thousand twelve. That doesn't make any sense. And so how do you feel like the Democrats used their time in the question. was there enough don there or or did it. Just I guess my worry. Is that spending forty-five minutes. Honest thing that takes one minute to understand it was maybe downplaying the significance of it. But maybe that's just me so I let me answer that in a in a couple of ways right at the top line is I thought the questioning was was really great but part of that is that I'm a lawyer right and so one of the things that I like about having the extra forty four minutes after you get kind of the top line conclusion out. There are really two things that I like about it right right. The first is as you reveal more details you make it harder for people who have concocted ad hoc lies to stick by by those lies right and so the one new piece of fact that that that came out right. which was the phone call in the restaurant ride that we you know we? We don't need to get into because if you've watched any news mentioning what is what it is people. I know there are people who listen to us and don't watch good for them. Yeah no so. Bill Taylor testified that a member of his staff overheard ambassador Gordon. Sandline call all the president of the United States on a cellphone by the way. So you know that. That's another nice needle for uncle frank of you know we're remember all of the Concerned about how Hillary Clinton was conducting State Department business over an unsecured server. You know it but but I phone ten totally fine right pullback that needle uncle frank not listening anyway but Frank Welcome to the show. I'm on Clarence. You know you gotta you gotTa go back and admit that it really wasn't a great reason not to vote for Hillary Clinton anyway so sandline calls trump on an unsecured cell phone in the middle of a restaurant in Ukraine. God and staffers nearby can hear trump shouting so loudly about it. Yeah I believe in that That what he cares about is the investigation and not about Ukraine The Biden specifically right and the Biden's in specific and that staffer will now testify. Tomorrow will testify behind closed doors as you're hearing this And then presumably if there is interesting information you know will will testify before the committee In the same way that that the Taylor and Kent testified before the committee. So that's point. One is when you have witnesses who were telling the truth and end who are career civil servants and diplomats who are likely to have evidence that corroborates that they're telling the truth it makes it really really harder for somebody who's lying to keep up their lives Gorden John Lind By the way. That's the ambassador to Ukraine who gave amid the basically bought and again i. I don't WanNA stand in glasshouse on this one right. Buying ambassadorships ships By donating two presidential campaigns is a time honored scumbag move on both parties right E there. There is no doubt in my mind you could go back and you could probably find Obama and bill. Clinton donors Who Got Ambassadorships and other cushy government positions I I think it's qualitatively worse under trump but you know uncle clearances probably rolling role in his eyes on that. And I WANNA WE WANNA steal me on the other side as much as possible but what we do want to point out. Is this non career diplomat. The Matt trump loyalist. Who bought the ambassadorship pretty much? Looks like he's flipped has has already amended his testimony wants as information came out and my suspicion is well all I can say is. I'm definitely going to be watching Tuesday's here yeah. He's that's an interesting just in case because I think he didn't want to go against trump. I think that's from but he also was like will I not going to the problem with trump is he. He is demanded out of everybody. Full one hundred percent. It was a perfect call or else you're dead to me pretty much. He's demanded it so he's he's loud. No Room for any Republican to be like well. You know you gotTa admit some of this as bad but it's not impeachable like even that he is so sunlen was like trying to do some sort of version of that for a while and then I instantly I think trump turned on him and now so he may very well turn because trump is so awful that he can't even brook any dissent descent. Or whatever you know so. I'm curious that you think he's he's turned. Would you expect like is he going to be a witness for the we. We'll we will know on Tuesday right. Yeah I I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't go that far at his flipping. This is part of so I mentioned mentioned kind of point one on the forty five minutes. Is You develop a more full factual record. Point two on the forty five minutes. Is you get a good sense of WHO's is going to be a good witness or not right and one of the things that was super clear to me as a lawyer is bill. Taylor is going to be an excellent witness during the impeachment of Donald Trump. Right he will be one of the witnesses. Probably three or four that are called upon to deliver live testimony. He's really really good he's got an unimpeachable background He he comes. I you know you can't dismiss him as a never-trumper or somebody with an ax to grind. He's smart. He's quick on his feet and you know and he is ninety five percent. I in a good way right. He's ninety ninety. Five percent of the way to sort of endorsing The full democratic message and that to me again as somebody. Somebody who one of the things I do for a living is evaluate witness testimony. He's a great witness. I do not think by the way again. No insult salt intended and and I hope that The George Kent listens to the show George kept probably won't be a witness at the impeachment right Yeah Yeah you know. He's he and and and I hear it in your voice right like it's it's the same kind of subjective factors. He's he comes off a little bit more. We're partisan a little bit less objective a ludo bit less gravitas right. You know. It's just that's interesting. I thought you were going to go the other like these. People are burnt. These people probably Republicans non-partisan but absolutely I thought Republicans. I thought you were GONNA say the other way. which is that you know? They really weren't giving it up for you. Know they weren't they weren't they're not soldiers for the cause of impeachment by any stretch wreck and correct. Yeah so so that's the second thing The the third thing that I would add on and I did want to.
"george kent" Discussed on The Daily Beans
"A that Ukraine has come to rely on not only from the US but from other allies around the world in their fight which is quite literally a fight like you said. People are dying to maintain their sovereignty so I really did not appreciate create that Republican congressman putting it in those sorts of terms like this is a like this is a sort of investment like kind of fiscal investment. That we need to make smartly early as opposed to an effort to uphold a group of people who are fighting and dying to maintain sovereignty so Yeah this is serious shit. It's very lives are at risk and civilian lives are not a fucking political football. No they're not and Bill Taylor also made the point to that. Not only does is withholding aid. Make it so they physically do not have that money but it also makes it so to the Russians. It gives the appearance of a Ukraine. That does not have the support that they once had which means they're going to have less bargaining power at the table when they're talking about trying to maintain their sovereignty so so it has implications that stretch way past having the money to buy 'em are easer like supplies or weapons and Or all the various things that they use that money for so yeah so it's very serious and I think bill tailored George Kent and the Democrats did an outstanding outstanding job today reflecting the seriousness of the issue. And just doing a really stand up job that history is GonNa look back on Hundley So that's the impeachment wrap up. We'll be right back on the other side of this break with today's other important headlines as a big news day daily beans listeners Jordan here sometimes I get so busy I forgot to take care of myself that is very real but every time I remember to work out I feel energized. I feel refreshed. I feel more confident and I feel more positive all at once..
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"Security goals is to resolve conflicts in Europe. There is one major conflict in Europe. It's a fighting war. Our national security goals in support of Ukraine in support of broader strategic approach to Europe is to facilitate that negotiation is to try Super Ukraine when it negotiates with the Russian July Twenty Fourth Director Muller testified about his investigation and he he established beyond doubt. Did it was the Russians who interfered in our election. He expressed fear that that would be the new normal on July twenty fifth. According to the readout of the president's campaign he asked just the Ukrainians to investigate Ukrainian interference in our election. That had been repudiated and then in July twenty twenty six as I understand it. This person reported to you heard the president saying he wanted investigations and again in Ukraine. So this is the question. The new normal that director Muller feared. Is there a new normal normal fear that a president any president can use congressionally approved foreign aid as a lever ever to get personal advantage in. Something is his interest but not the public interest. That should be the case with Welsh. Mr Maloney recognized for five minutes. Thank you gentlemen. Thank you for being here today. Bester Taylor. What year did you graduate from? West Point team in sixty nine or is the height of the Vietnam War was the high was about that time..
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"You also say a little time. Do you did say in your testimony that you felt that that testified that Secretary Perry vassar Sunderland ambassador. Volker quote felt that they had a mandate to take the lead beat in quote on Ukraine policy. Did you not. That was an accurate statement. They're feeling doesn't mean that they actually got delegated responsibility. Have you ever heard of the term. Three Amigos I referenced. That after watching Gordon Sunland say that on Ukrainian TV on July twenty six. What do you mean by a in guy? Under standing of embassador sons use of that term is that the three people that were in charge of Ukraine policy during the summer. Where he Gordon Sunland Ambassador Volker Secretary Perry? What did you come to you? When did you come to learn about Mr Giuliani's role? And what do you consider his role to have been. When I first heard about former mayor Giuliani's interest in Ukraine in January of this year? That was a different phase. What happened during the summertime? Was it normal to have a person who is a private citizen take an active role in foreign diplomacy. I did not find his particular engagement normal. No now Mr John batchelor Taylor. You testified that there are two channels a regular and irregular What did you see as rude utilize role in Ukraine policy? I became to see see that. Mr Giuliani had a large influence on the irregular channel. and was that normal. Is that normal to have a private citizen of the United States. Let's take an active role in diplomacy. It is not normal. It is not unusual to ask for people outside the government to give opinions to help form the policies of the US government's unusual to have a person put input into the channel. That goes contrary to the US policy. Thank you thank you chairman. I yield to the chairman. I think the feeling of follow up on some of the earlier questions about ambassador Sorry about presence. Alinsky statements after this scandal came to light when he was asked. Were you pressured how the phone call go excetera CETERA Ukrainians Mr Kanter pretty sophisticated about. US politics are they not. Perhaps you would agree that if presence alinsky contradicted president trump and said of course. I felt pressured. They were holding up. Four hundred million in military assistance. We have people dying every day. If he were to contradict president trump directly. They would be sophisticated enough to know. They may pay a very heavy price with his president. Were they not. That's a fair assessment. And let's not only had to worry about retribution from Donald Trump. Should he contradict donald trump publicly. He also has to worry about about how he's perceived domestically doesn't he master Taylor. Presidents gives very sensitive to the views of the Ukrainian people who indeed are very attentive to Ukrainian. US Politics yes. And so if presence alinsky would say a I had to capitulate and agree to these investigations. I was ready to go on. CNN until the God restored toward that would obviously be hurtful to him back home did not he cannot afford to be seen to be deferring to any any foreign leader there. He is very confident in his own abilities. And he's and he knows does that Ukrainian people expect him to do be clear and defend Ukraine and Interests Mr Carson. Thank you chairman. My colleague touch briefly on the campaign to remove career diplomat ambassador. YVONNA Vich Mr Kent stated in previous testimony that you were aware of the pull campaign of slander against ambassador in real time which basically unfolded in the media. Where do you understand? This misinformation campaign was coming from from an who was essentially perpetuating to my understanding The then prosecutor general of Ukraine now ex Cinco met Rudy Giuliani in New York on a private visit in January. They had a second meeting in February and through. The good offices of the former mayor of New York Cinco gave an interview to John. Solomon than of the hill in early March and the campaign was launched on on March Twentieth Corrupt Ukrainian prosecutor gave an interview to a reporter in the United States and made claims means that the ambassador provided officials they quote do not prosecute list. You have any reason to believe this is true. I have every reason reason to believe it is not true. What was the reputation of the man who made these allegations? Sankoh was politician of long standing. He'd been minister of Interior Interior. After the orange revolution the embassy had good relations with them for years he was imprisoned by President. Yanukovych came out was elected majority leader eater of Shinko then president's Party and then became prosecutor general in the spring of two thousand sixteen. What was your experience with Ambassador Ivanovich? was she working hard to combat corruption in Ukraine. She was dedicated as is every. US government official in Ukraine to help Ukrainians overcome the legacy of corruption action which they actually have made a number of important steps since two thousand fourteen so in fact before all of this happened you and your superiors at the State Department asked Liam Bassoon assert extend her time in the Ukraine correct. Sir that is correct. Did you support her extension. I asked her to extend until the end of this year. To get through the election election cycle in Ukraine and then undersecretary Hale in March asked her to stay until twenty twenty now in Ukraine probably disliked her efforts to help Ukraine root out corruption. Is that correct. As I mentioned in my testimony you can't promote principled anti corruption action without pissing off corrupt people.
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"Ecosystem that we were trying to help create the investigators the judges who issued the warrants. The law enforcement that had warrants to do the wiretapping everybody to protect his former driver whom he'd made a prosecutor that's what Joe Biden was asking remove. The corrupt prosecutor Joe Biden was participating in an open effort established whole of government effort to address corruption in Ukraine. That is correct. Great so Michigan as you look at this whole mess rudy. Giuliani president. Trump in your opinion was this comprehensive and whole of government effort to end corruption corruption in Ukraine referring to the requests in July. I would not say so yeah. I don't I don't think. President trump was trying to end corruption corruption in Ukraine. I think he was trying to aim corruption in Ukraine at Vice President Biden and at the twenty twenty election and I yield back the balance in my time time to the gentleman Texas MR and reckless. Thank you gentlemen. Thank you both for being here. It's obvious from your testimony today that you vote care a great right deal about. US Ukraine relations. It's also very clear that you're optimistic about president. Zielinski Ambassador Taylor you related. One of his first acts is an office was to remove immunity from deputies which had long been a source of corruption. I know you had a number of personal dealings with him. Has He given you any reason to question his honesty or his integrity. No Sir October Tenth Presidents Alinsky held a press marathon with over three hundred reporters where he said repeatedly and and consistently over ours ours that he was not aware of a military hold during the July. Twenty fifth call in fact in his official press release from the Ukrainian government available on his website that I'll be introducing into the record. He said our phone conversation bears no relations to arms. They blocked the provision of military assistance prior to our telephone conversation but the issue had not been discussed during our conversation. I mean.
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"That I heard of those and was surprised by those. I don't know I don't know president. Trump's reaction to those in the information published by a search lasts less Shaneco the former Ukrainian investigative journalist. And then he as a member of the parliament about the manafort Black Ledgers in August of twenty sixteen the very day that was published. Mr Manafort Ford resigned from the campaign. Correct I don't know Mr but certainly gives rise to some concern that there are elements that Ukrainian Ukrainian establishment that. We're out to get the president. That's a very reasonable belief of has correct. I don't know the the run up to the two thousand sixteen election many facts that remain unresolved agreed. What's the question? Many facts relating to the run up of the two thousand sixteen election that remain unresolved any further the attorney general in May of twenty nine thousand nine tests the US attorney for Connecticut. John Durham too. Broadly examined the government's collection of intelligence involving the President's campaign. That effort initially was an administrative review has turned into a criminal probe and US Attorney Durum is casting a wide net and following the facts where they may lead you wear of that. I'm aware that there is an investigation. That's that's as much as I'm aware and so to the extent any information resides in Ukraine. It's perfectly appropriate for the Ukrainians to try to get to the bottom of that for the Ukrainians to cooperate with with the United States through official channels to share that information correct. Wisconsin getting used to say that one again. I appreciate it if you restate. The question of the extent Ukraine rain has facts related to the roundup of the two thousand sixteen election that are under the US attorney Durham's probe Ukraine. Should it should cooperate. With the United States. And to the extent there Ukrainians doing improper things the Ukrainians oughta investigate that themselves. Correct the Ukrainian rain. Ian American relations are very supportive Ukrainians will will certainly be responsive to requests so in the present president on the call transcript to July twenty fifth raises with Presidents Lansky and he urges that there'd be a connection between the Ukrainian government and in and the Justice Department. Officially I mean that's the appropriate way to raise an issue with the Ukrainian president. Correct it's appropriate for the Justice Department and the Prosecutor General to cooperate and exchange information desk but to the extent. The president has concerns and to the extent. The attorney. General is is is having the US attorney. Durham look into. That is an entirely appropriate for the president to flag this for presidents alinsky. And say that you should be in touch with our official digital channels catcher. I don't know the precise appropriateness of these kinds of relations. Now were you involved either of you involved with the preparation for the seven twenty five call. I was not I was not. And how do you account for that. I mean you're the you're you were the two of the key officials with responsibility for Ukrainian policy. The President United States is going to have a call with the leader of Ukraine Crane. Why why wouldn't you ordinarily be involved with the preparation sir? We work for the Department of State in embassy overseas and in preparation for presidential phone. Call that responsibility lies with staff of the National Security Council normally if there is enough sufficient time national security staff can solicit acid- information usually from the State Department and we can draw on the embassy. But that's only background information and my understanding having never worked at the National Security Council. Is it national security staff. Write a memo to the president and none of us see that outside of the national security staff okay so the the charge or the the. US Ambassador Ambassador to the country wouldn't ordinarily be on a call with the foreign leader. That's correct would not and did colonel admit or anyone at the national security the council staff reach out to you. Mr Ken in preparation for the call. I was given notification the day before on July twenty fourth and to the extent I had any role it was to reach out to the embassy. Give them the heads up and ask them to ensure that this secure communications link in the office of the president of Ukraine gene was functional. So the call could be patched through from the White House Situation Room. Did you provide any any substantive advice to Colonel Van Minh about out about the call and what ought to be the the official position I was not asking I did not provide okay same McHugh invader the same and the.
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"They were prepared or preparing to to do to make a public statement that is with a CNN interview. That was being planned. Those are the two pieces that that I know and that CNN interview was to announce these investigations as you understood it. That was the implication. That was certainly the implication. We've been focused a lot on the September timeframe but I want to go back to months to July before the July twenty fifth call and you testified five ambassador Taylor in your opening statement that it was in the middle of July when you understood that the White House meeting was first a condition on on these investigations is that is that accurate. Yes we were preparing. I agreed that the White House meeting was going to be an important step in Ukraine relations. So in in June and in early July attempts to work work out a way to get that meeting included a phone call and so there were several conversations about how to have this phone call. That eventually happened on July twenty breath and you described it in your opening statement a July tenth White House meeting with a number of officials where Ambassador Bolton used the term that something something was a drug deal. What did you understand him to mean in hearing that he said that use this term drug deal going? I don't know I don't know what about Sir Bolton had in mind and was that in reference to a discussion in that meeting related to the White House meeting that presidents residents alinsky wanted in connection to the investigations. The context of that comment was the discussion that that Mr Donahue Lewis who was Mr Bolton's counterpart Ukrainian counterpart those National Security Adviser had had with Mr Bowl and that conversation was was very substantive up until the point where the White House meeting was raised and Mr Van Dan Besser sunland intervened to talk about the investigations. It was at that point. That Ambassador Bolton cease the meeting closing meeting finish the meeting and told his staff to report this meeting eating to the lawyers and he also later then indicated to feel on a hill who was also participant. His staff that he he investor Baltin didn't want to be associated with this drug deal so it was. Ah The implication was it was the the domestic politics that was being cooked up and ambassador. Sunland say this in front of the Ukrainian officials to your understanding. Bus Abuser Sunland in the meeting where Besser Answer Bolton was having a conversation with his counterpart raised the issue of investigations being important to come before four. The White House meeting that had just been raised in Ukrainian officials worthy and Ukrainian officials. Were in that meeting now around this same time. I'm in mid-july. Did you have any discussions with Ukrainian officials about these investigations. I don't recall. Well let me show you a text message that you wrote on July twenty first where you wrote it again again to ambassadors Sunland and Volker and if you could just read what you what you wrote here on July twenty first Lorden one.
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"About President. Trump's intent that there was no quid pro quo. But did he say anything after that did he described up to you. I believe you said refresh your memory. That bunker he mentioned something in your opening statement you said that he said that everything. And you had that in quotes this was actually contingent on the initiation of these investigations. What did he mean by everything? Miss Golden what he meant by everything was the security assistance and the White House meeting. And I believe you also testified testified that he said he had made a mistake in relaying a message to the Ukrainians. What was that mistake mistake? He told me was earlier. Her he hadn't told presumably president is Alinsky. and Mr Your mug that. What was Z.? Necessary for the White House meeting was the pursuit of these investigations. And he said he recognized. Is it that was a mistake. It's not just the White House meeting. That was dependent on the investigations. He said it was now. Everything included the security assistance. So it was not just the White House. Meeting was also the security assistance and so even though president trump was saying repeatedly that there is there is no quid pro quo ambassador.
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"Mr Ken is pressuring Ukraine to conduct. What I believe? You've called political investigations Gatien's a part of US foreign policy to promote the rule of law in Ukraine and around the world. It is not is it in in the national interest of the United States. In my opinion it does not why not because our policies particularly in promoting the rule of law aw are designed to help countries and in Eastern Europe and central Europe that is overcoming the legacy of communism in the Communist system in particular particular the Prosecutor General Office was used to suppress and persecute citizens not promote the rule of law so in helping these countries reach their own own aspirations to join the western community of nations and live lives of dignity helping them have the rule of law with strong institutions. Is the purpose of our policy so in other words it is a purpose of our foreign policy to encourage for nations to refrain from conducting getting political investigations. Is that right correct. And in fact as a matter of policy not of programming. We oftentimes raise our concerns usually in private with the countries that we feel are engaged in selective political prosecution and persecution of their opponents ambassador. Taylor now that we've established that you ultimately did understand that. President trump was withholding the security assistance and a White House meeting from Ukraine until they announced these investigations to benefit his reelection campaign. Let's go back a little bit in time to when you first learned about this conditionality thirty and on September first so a little more than a week before that text we just read. You sent another text to ambassador Sunland and Volker. You're which should also be on the screen in front of you and if you could read what you wrote to them. Are we now saying that security assistance assistance and White House meeting are conditioned on investigations and ambassador. Sunland responded call me you know what information information had. You learned that prompted you to write this text message. I learned that in Warsaw after the meeting vice president didn't hence had with President Dolinsky Sunland had had meetings there and had described to Mr Your mock the assistant to presidents Alinsky that the security assistance assistance was also held pending announcement by presents Linski in public of these investigations before that I had only understood from that the White House meeting was condition addition. And at this time after I heard this conversation it struck me clear to me and that security systems was also being held. You said previously that you were alarmed to learn this. Why were you alarmed? It's one thing to try to leverage a meeting in the White House else. It's another thing. I thought to leverage security assistance security systems to a country at war dependent on both the security assistance and the demonstration of support. It was it was much more alarming. The White House meeting with one thing security assistance was much more alarming. Now Ambassador Taylor you in your opening statement you outlined a very detailed time line and in fact we have a written copy here and you included some phrases and words words in quotations. Did you take notes of this conversation on September first with Ambassador Sunland I did. Did you take notes. It's related to most of the conversations if not all of them that you recited in your opening statement Mr Cogan and what are those quotations that you include in your opening statement reflect. They reflect my notes on the exact words that I heard on that call so it was if those in quotes that meant that those are the words used on that phone call or in that conversation and did you review those notes before you drafted your opening statement and came here to testify did now. Is that how for example. You remember that ambassador. Sunlen was on on a train from Paris to London during a call and in July. That's correct and you are aware I presume that the state eight department has not provided those notes to the committee. Is that right. I am aware so we don't have the benefit of reviewing them to ask you these questions. Correct I understand that they may be coming sooner or later while we would welcome that you also testified earlier ambassador Sunlen Ambassador Taylor that president trump had delegated some matters overseeing Ukraine policy to ambassador Sunlen who is a big inaugural roll supporter of President Trump even though Ukraine is not in his domain of the European Union. Is that right. Several members several participants in the meeting room in Mobile Office with President Trump with with the delegation to the inauguration of presence Alinsky told me of that conversation and it was at that meeting as I understand it from several participants disciplines that president trump asked the participants to work with Mr Giuliani on Ukraine policy. How did you come to understand? That ambassador Sunland had a direct line of communication into president trump. I did when you testified or rather than that text message. I've asked her sunland says to call him. After you wrote that. Did you in fact call him. I you did. What did he say to you? You said that I had I was wrong..
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"I'm Michaela Fogel. And this is the law fair podcast. Bonus edition November thirteenth. Two Thousand Nineteen on Wednesday. The House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence held its first in a series of public hearings pursuant to its impeachment inquiry into president trump's efforts to pressure Ukraine interfere in the two thousand twenty election today. The committee heard testimony from George. Kent Deputy Assistant Secretary in the European and Eurasian Affairs Bureau at the State Department amount. And William Taylor the top US diplomat in Ukraine while the witnesses had a compelling story to tell there was some disagreement among members about both fact act and process so we cut out all the bickering all the speechifying and all the procedural maneuvering to bring you just the testimony that you need to hear. It's it's the law fair podcast. Bonus edition George Kent and Bill Taylor versus the committee with no bull. I thank you both for your testimony and I now recognize myself and majority counsel for forty five minutes of questions master tailor to begin falling up on something that you have disclosed today today and earlier to both majority minority but it is some new information for the committee. You said in your testimony that One of your staff was president with embassador Sunland on the day after the July twenty fifth phone call. Is that right. That's correct with Germany and as your staff related the event to you. Your staff member could overhear Mr Solomon on on the phone could over here. The president on the phone with Mr Sunland is that right. That's correct so the present must've been speaking loud enough on the phone. This was a cell phone. I take it. It was a cell phone. The president's speaking loud enough for your staff member to be able to overhear this it was and what your staff member could overhear. Was President Trump asking a bastard sawn lead about quote the investigations is that right. That's correct now. I think thinking I think you testified that you had come to understand that the term investigations was a term that of astor salmon as well as Volker Voelker used to mean matters related to the two thousand sixteen elections and to the investigation of Brisbane. Abidance is correct. That is correct. So your staff member WPRO. Here's the president asking about the investigations meeting Brisman. The Biden's in two thousand sixteen and Master Sunland told President trump that the Ukrainians kids were ready to move forward. You did and I think you said that after the call when your staff asked Best Ressam than what. President trump thought of Ukraine his response was that president trump cares more about the investigations of Biden. Is that right and Barista Yasser and I take it. The import of that he cares more about that than he does about Ukraine. Yes Sir during your testimony Baxter Taylor you also said said that more Ukrainians would undoubtedly die without US assistance. Why is the security assistance that we provide a takes many forms? One of the components of that assistance is counter battery radar another component are taper weapons. These weapons and this assistance allows the Ukrainian rainy and military to deter further incursions by the Russians against against Ukrainian territory if that further incursion further aggression or to take place if more Ukrainians would die so it is a deterrent deterrent effect that these weapons provide. It's also the ability gives the cranium to the ability to negotiate from position of a little more strength when they negotiate an end to the war in boss with the Russians. This also is a way that would reduce the number of Ukrainians. Who would die? I take the Parisian of US military assistance. I would say the Ukrainian lies lives that any delay and that assistance may also cost. Ukrainian lives is that is that true. Of course it's hard to provoked to draw any direct line between any particular element of security systems and any particular death on the battlefield but it is certainly true that that assistance had enabled Ukrainian armed forces to be effective at deter and to be able to take countermeasures to into the attacks that the Russians had. I think you said that Ukraine soldier lost their life. While you were visiting Dumbass. We keep very careful track of the casualties and I noticed on the next day the information that we got that was killed. Four people before soldiers were wounded on that day and indeed Ukrainians lose their lives every week every week. I think you also testified. Hi that Russia was watching closely to gauge the level of Americans support for the Ukrainian government. Why is that significant? This is significant Miss German because ah the Ukrainians particular under this. New Administration are eager to end this war and they are eager to end it in a way. Hey that the that the Russians leave their territory. These negotiations like all negotiations are difficult Ukrainians Ukrainians would like to be able to negotiate from a position strength or at least more strengthen they now have part of that strength. Part of the ability of the Ukrainian to negotiate against the Russians with the Russians for an end to the war in Davos depends on United States and other international support if we withdraw or suspend or or threatened to withdraw our security systems. That's a message judge to the Ukrainians but it's at least as important as your question. Indicates with German to the Russians who are looking for any sign of weakness or any sign signed we are withdrawing our support for Ukraine and so when the Ukrainians learned of the suspension of the military aid either privately or when others learn publicly really the Russians would be learning also and they would take that as a lack of robust. US support for Ukraine. Is that right. That's correct and that would weaken Ukraine in negotiating an end to the war and boss. It would people watching. I'm sure are interested in how military assistance and diplomatic support for Ukraine affects Ukraine. But even more so interested in. How does this affect our national security? Now I think you said that if we believe it or principal sovereignty of nations where countries get to determine their own economic political and security alliances. We have to support Ukraine and its fight that the kind of aggression we see by Russia can't stand How is it important to American national security that we provide for a robust robust defense of Ukraine? Sovereignty was chairman as as my colleague deputies. Victor George can described. We have a national security policy national defense policy that identifies Russia and China as adversaries. The Russians are violating all of the rules treaties understandings. That they committed to ooh that actually kept the peace in Europe for nearly seventy years until they invaded Ukraine in two thousand fourteen. They they had to Biden by sovereignty of of sovereignty of nations of of inviolability of borders. That rule love that order that kept the peace in Europe and allowed for prosperity as well as peace in Europe was violated by the Russians. And if we don't push back on that on those violations than that will continue and that Mr Chairman affects us. It's affects the world that we live in that our children will grow up in and our grand. This affects the kind of world that we want to to to see so that affects our national interest very directly. Ukraine is on the front line of that of that conflict. I want to thank you both for your decades service the country and now recognize Mr Goldman for questioning. Thank you Mr Chairman Ambassador Taylor. You're on the heels of you're discussing the importance of the security assistance to Ukraine. I want to go to the end of the time. Line where you learned that that security security assistance was conditioned on Ukraine announcing the investigations that the president wanted and in particular on September ninth eighth of this year. You Texted Ambassador Sunlen and Volker and the text message should be on the screen in front of you and if you could read what you wrote as I said on the phone I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for for help with a political campaign. What did you mean when you said you thought it was crazy? I meant that that the important because of the importance of security assistance describing conversation with with the chairman because that was so important security systems was so important for Ukraine as well as our own national interest to withhold that assistance for no good reason other than help with the political campaign made no sense it was. It was counterproductive to all all of what we had been trying to do. It was illogical it could not be explained. It was crazy when you say all of what we were trying to do. What do you mean by we? I mean that the United States was trying to support Ukraine as a frontline state against Russian attack and again again the whole notion of a rules based order was being threatened by the Russians in Ukraine so our security assistance was designed to support important Ukraine. That's not just the United States. It was all of our of our allies when you reference help with a political campaign in this text message passage. What did you mean? I meant that the investigation of Boris Ma and the Biden's was clearly identified by. Mr Giuliani Giuliani in public. For months as a way to get information on you on the on the to Biden's and those that investigation at the very least was mentioned by President Trump in the July twenty fifth phone. Phone call with presidents Alinsky. Is that right as we now know. Yes yes on. On September twenty fifth that transcript was released ambassador Taylor decades of military service and diplomatic service representing the United States around the world. Have you ever seen another example of foreign renege conditioned on the personal or political interests of the president of the United States no Michigan. I'VE NOT MR KEN. That vital military assistance. That was not the only thing that president trump was withholding from Ukraine. What what else was contingent on Ukraine initiating these investigations? We've talked earlier today. The possibility of a White House. The meeting was being held contingent to an announcement. How important to presidents Alinsky was a White House meeting new leaders particularly countries that are trying to have good footing in the international arena c. a meeting with the US president in the Oval Office at the White House as as the ultimate sign of endorsement and support from the United States presidents? Alinsky was a relatively the new president. Is that right. That's correct. He was elected on April twenty first and his government was formed. After parliamentary elections in July would a white White House meeting for presidents alinsky boost his legitimacy as a new president in Ukraine it would primarily boost his leverage to negotiate with lots of Mir Putin about the Russian occupation of seven percent of Ukrainian territory..
Trump prioritized Biden investigation over Ukraine aid
"And Republican lawmakers presented dueling narratives today as a US congressional impeachment inquiry that threatens Donald Trump's wants to multi presidency and to the crucial new phase with the first televised public hearing evidence was heard from two career. US diplomats Matt's William Taylor and George Kent who voiced alarm over the Republican president and those around him pressuring Ukraine to conduct investigations. That would benefit trump politically one revelation in particular drew attention showing trump's keen interest in Ukraine investigating political rival. Joe Biden aiden. Taylor said a member of his staff overheard July twenty six phone. Call between trump and Gordon sunland a form of political donor appointed as as a senior diplomat. In which the Republican president asked about those investigations and Sunlen told him that the Ukrainians were ready to proceed following the coal which occurred a day after trump had asked Ukraine's president during a phone call to conduct these investigations. The staff member asked Sunland the US ambassador to the European Union. What trump thought about Ukraine said Taylor? The top US diplomat in Ukraine ambassador. Sunland responded that President Trump cavs more about the investigations of Biden which Giuliani was pressing for Taylor testified referring to trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani in previously unheard testimony. Bill Taylor the acting. US Ambassador to Ukraine said a member of his staff was told. Mr Trump was preoccupied with pushing for a probe into Mr Biden. Asked by Adam Schiff the committee's Democratic chairman if that meant trump cared more about the investigations nations than about Ukraine. Taylor said Yes sir.
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"Taylor what's the poll question one of the results thus far who is the worst worst witness in today's public impeachment hearings George can't or bill Taylor I'm gonna say bill Taylor thirty five percent say George Kent was worse than bill Taylor at least George can't as preposterous Hey Bob as he appears the bay a real weak sister a a a foggy bottom Nick with foggy bottom that wet wet I think he was but still better than Walter Cronkite junior that's my opinion but I don't know anyway you know the in the the the trump derangement syndrome is bad as it is on Capitol Hill and in the in the news rooms of the so called elite press it's worse on college campuses you saw what happened that what's happened at northeast Northwestern University where they where they would they they said that they are they're not going to try to get the other side of the story again anymore the the the Jeff sessions came through campus to talk and they try to interview students were protesting his appearance the former Attorney General of Alabama senator now running for the Senate again and it in it earlier the Harvard crimson days students organized a boycott against the Harvard crimson because they had a demonstration at Harvard yard to abolish ice immigration customs enforcement and heart the Harvard crimson reporter had the temerity to seek a comment for mice I guess I was triggering the fact that they would have to read a comment from ice saying they shouldn't be abolished the fact that he went to the first hand source why did he just ask a friend devices about the situation will lease the Harvard crimson stood up and said you know we're doing the right thing the the the Northwestern University which has a a so called so called school of journalism they said we're not gonna do anything more ever again to trigger anybody it whatever the the weakest snowflake is will never do anything to hurt him so there's another one today there's a new story today the student body president of the university of Florida where we are is facing impeachment.
George Kent testifies at impeachment hearing
"For just the fourth time in U. S. history the house of representatives opened impeachment hearings against you as president of the televised showdown over president trump actions toward the leader of Ukraine today's hearing will feature testimony from veteran diplomats William Taylor and George Kent who previously told lawmakers in closed door sessions the trump administration withheld military aid to Ukraine to pressure that country's leader into investigating president trump's democratic rival university of Chicago professor William Howell says their presentation is important to forming public opinion clearer by being in a crisis on the one hand there certainly were Democrats are hoping for the president in the past says he had a perfect conversation with Ukraine's Vladimir's the landscape and this is more democratic lives hoaxes slander GOP lawmakers will have their chance to question the witnesses and make their case that the president committed no crime Jackie Quinn
"george kent" Discussed on WHAS 840 AM
"In Ukraine and George Kent a senior state department official Taylor already testified in private about a concerted effort to use military aid to Ukraine as leverage for political gain if Kent who also testified behind closed doors accused president trump's personal tourney Rudy Giuliani of running a campaign of slander and life president trump has said his conversation with his Ukrainian counterpart was perfect house Democrats have suggested it amounted to an impeachable offense the president meanwhile will use the public hearings as a fundraising opportunity the campaign collected fifteen million dollars in on line pledges after house speaker Nancy Pelosi announced there would be an impeachment inquiry Jim Ryan ABC news the only Democrat in Kentucky's congressional delegation weighing in on today's hearings when you do something as brazen as he did with Ukraine then you have to invoke the impeachment process because otherwise any president can get away with virtually anything we'll have coverage all day here on news radio eight forty WHAS it's six thirty three it news radio a forty WHAS we go downtown that's where a judge is considering whether a man who killed to be when a drunk driving crash should get out of prison Paul miles is following the case Chad leave is asking for shock probation as he serves a twenty year sentence for manslaughter and other charges early was drunk when he crashed his car into a group of people standing near a food truck on third street road Jenny Burton and Stacy Walker were killed Jennifer chamberlain was injured is there any precedent set then it should be you do the crime do the time now stop giving people.
"george kent" Discussed on WTVN
"In Ukraine and George Kent a senior state department official Taylor already testified in private about a concerted effort to use military aid to Ukraine as leverage for political gain if Kent who also testified behind closed doors accused president trump's personal tourney Rudy Giuliani of running a campaign of slander and life leads ABC's Elizabeth her reporting president trump calls climate change a very complicated issue I consider myself to be in many ways an environmentalist believe it or not when I build buildings I did the best environmental impact statements I was you know I know the game better than anybody talking in New York from city firmly believes in clean air and clean water he defended his decision to pull the U. S. out of the Paris climate accord calling it a catastrophe insisted the international treaty will kill you S. center St see also argued some other big countries are doing nothing about climate change two teens accused of killing a woman Hocking hills on Labor Day or being criminally indicted in connection to our death grand jury handed down murder reckless homicide involuntary manslaughter indictment yesterday for Jane church shells and Jordan Buckley connection to the death of Victoria Schaefer prosecutors say the two sixteen year olds pushed a seventy five pound piece of wood from Hocking hills cliff above old man's cave which landed on Schaefer gilder both teams will be tried in adult court dignitaries from across the state gathered in Dayton Tuesday the honor Dayton police detective George del Rio who shot and killed in the line of duty last week D. a special agent Steven Miller also commended the officers who help they'll Rio the amount of time that elapsed between when George was first injured and when his brothers and sisters got him out of that basement was remarkably short the personnel that went down those steps to help their phone com rounds were motivated by an almost unimaginable amount of courage del Rio was assisting the D. E. A. with a drug raid last Monday when he was shot del Rio was taken off life support last week Disney's new streaming service off to a rocky start NBC's lose McLaughlin's as many customers complained of error messages when trying to download the app yesterday Disney plastic knowledge the problems now on Twitter saying they were working on resolving the issues and citing high demand is the car which came with an image from either record Ralph Ralph breaks the internet users who did get to use the service complain about features not working such as setting up profiles or watchlists radio six ten WTVN sports well not a big surprise Ellis you jumping allies say taking over the top spot in the college football playoff rankings Buckeyes now second with clubs in Georgia and Alabama rounding out the top five Ryedale playing is a fifty one point favored a writer Saturday in sports is our at six forty tough loss for the blue jackets scored late to go up to one allow the tying goal seconds later and lost three two in a shoot out to Montreal big basketball game tonight is why sales number ten build all the stunning college hoops upset last night top ranked Kentucky following the Evansville NBA cavs lose by one in Philadelphia for the central high Honda dealer sports that's medical use radio six and W. TV at I'm Scott Jennings stay connected the Columbus and central Ohio on the hour thirty minutes past stand as news breaks record cold this morning with a mix of sun and clouds this afternoon high eventually gets the thirty right now though mostly clear and it's eight on a day.
Risks for all sides as Trump impeachment hearings swing open
"The democratic chairman of the house intelligence committee Adam Schiff will open the hearing with allegations that president trump violated his oath of office two witnesses will testify Deputy Assistant secretary of state George Kent and the top diplomat for Ukraine William Taylor shifts as an opportunity for the American people to evaluate the witnesses for themselves to make their own determinations about the credibility of the witnesses he's hoping to prove trump actions meet the impeachment threshold of high crimes and misdemeanors something president trump and his Republican allies denied conversation I had with the president ray was it's the fourth time in history the house has launched impeachment proceedings Jackie Quinn Washington
Ari Melber: How Did We Get Here? Because of ‘Weaponized’ Propaganda from John Solomon
"Donald don't trump sufficiently closer to impeachment ever on the eve of these first public hearings which will probe into the scandal that has paralyzed his presidency for now and we turn to our special report report beginning with a question. How did we get here? The answer begins with a country that was rarely in the news. And when the first reports of the whistle blower emerged in the Washington Post long long before we ever saw that complaint we were all waiting and wondering and trying to figure out. What does this have to do with Ukraine by by far the biggest news of the day? Which is this whistle blows store whistle blower story which is now going officially nuts? Shane Harris in the Washington. Post tonight is reporting that the whistleblower complaint has something to do with Ukraine something to do with Ukraine but what would be scandalous about Ukraine policy. Most people had not heard enough about trump's policies towards that country to even guess at the time and if you were learning about this story from the Washington Post The Times or or most national news in September when Rachel was reporting that out it was all new. Yeah but if you happen to read conservative articles in the opinion section of the hill back in March you'd see the seeds of this Trumpian conspiracy theory. Here's a headline quoting. A foreign officials unsupported allegation that the Obama Administration demanded Ukraine simply. Avoid prosecuting certain people a pretty silly article. Here's another from April in the same basic format a single Ukrainian source claiming the. US didn't want evidence on Democrats. Now you can see where this is going again. This was back in April before any of this blew up but around that same time. Here is the Cherry on top of this conspiracy theory Sunday quote Joe Biden Haydn's twenty twenty Ukrainian nightmare a closed probe is revived the second part of that clause. This was back in April is just not nothing yet. Close pros close pro revived hadn't happened now. America at that time in April was waiting for the release of the Miller report. It was three weeks away. There's a lot of other news but this writer over the hill was speculating about this fight and nightmare that virtually no one was losing sleep book. This is important. What's going to happen tomorrow? Because at that time there'd be no way to distinguish distinguish this from thousand other headlines for websites outlets varying credibility but those three articles. I mentioned they all have something crucial in common. They're all oh by John. Solomon a conservative writer. who used to be at the right wing Washington Times and also is an analyst at Fox News and has links to top conservative operatives Columbia Journalism Review is referred to him has been basically a history of bending the truth and distorting facts? You should know that up front if you haven't heard much about Solomon well you may be about to hear a lot more about him in the impeachment hearings Mr Solomon and president trump also the same taste in lawyers Solomon hired Joe Digenova a lawyer that trump tried to hire and like some other politically aggressive lawyers that donald trump favors these days. Agenda Does more than litigate he pushes political agendas. Agenda's goes on Fox News and that's where he dramatically previewed his disturbing material that would come from his now climate. Solomon this was back in March. There are some very disturbing details about it. There are about to come out and reporting by John Solomon and I think once those details come out. I think there's he's going to have to be a full-fledged criminal investigation wow full-fledged sounds like he has the inside scoop on what his own client is writing. That Fox News segment was touting the piece I just mentioned that Oh so understated headline which reads Info Wars Fan fiction. The one about the Ukrainian any a nightmare and the reviving of Appro. Step one. Have your lawyer hype the piece on Handy. Like they're some independent interest in it step to well obviously go on Hannity. The yourself here was John Solomon citing his mysterious Ukrainian sources for then obscure story now the story behind the story a full report investigative reporter the hills. John Solomon is with us. There's a pattern here of hundred Biden being in the countries where the vice president has a foreign policy portfolio folio and somehow mocking awesome. Nice paydays. And they're telling me tonight Sean that they've been trying to get this information to the US Justice Department for more than six months well if there was a US government conspiracy by the Justice Department or State Department. That would sound bad right but of course that lasts six months that would implicate the trump administration degenerate and hannity support trump. Obviously the other thing here is that the top people involve all say what you just heard from Solomon is false. In fact Solomon's angle has been backfiring in two ways one as political propaganda mission to help trump. This has of course now brought trump closer to impeachment than ever to as a conspiracy theory that Ukraine allegation got really big too big and it blew up in Solomon's face sparking investigation that has now publicly shredded. His claims aims you original whistleblower. Complaint says in March Twenty nine thousand nine hundred of these series of articles in the hill quoting several Ukrainian officials and those allegations citing Solomon's work and that's part of what trump in so much hot water. Then there's the trump officials and diplomats who fact check Solomon again. I WANNA be clear. We only know about this because it backfired it because of the pro but now I can tell you. Three different officials who served in the trump administration say when it came to Solomon's Ukraine writing all the key elements were false. I former army officer vitamin another saying Solomon pedals baseless conspiracy theories and other diplomat. George Kent will hear from publicly tomorrow was blasting testing Solomon's fabrications as utter nonsense but that's not just a big rebuttal. Let's testimony from people speaking under oath under the threat of perjury. Legally that obviously carries more weight potentially more legal peril than what you say Sean Hannity Segment.
Public impeachment hearings to begin this week
"House investigators are taking the impeachment pro publicly televised hearing set to begin this week on Wednesday bill Taylor the top US diplomat in Ukraine who was implicated the president in a campaign to pressure Ukraine and Deputy Assistant secretary of state George Kent are scheduled to testify on Friday investigators will question Marie of on average the former US ambassador to Ukraine who was ousted from her role in may Republicans have also put out a wish list of witnesses they would like to call but Democrats have the final
Impeachment inquiry: George Kent's testimony takeaways
"Bogard transcripts from a Deputy Assistant Secretary of state for European affairs were released by the house intelligence committee in his deposition George can't says that before he was prepared to give US military aid to Ukraine president trump apparently wanted in Kent's words nothing less than for Ukraine's president to announce investigations of Hillary Clinton in addition to Joe Biden's
George Kent Testimony: Trump Actions "Injurious To The Rule Of Law"
"House. Impeachment investigators have released a transcript of testimony from Jeopardy Assistant Secretary of State. George Kent the transcript shows can't was concerned that president trump and his lawyer Rudy Giuliani had pressured Ukraine to investigate the Biden's. NPR's Claudia grew. Solid has more can't raise concerns to his superior that. US military aid was contingent on demands for Ukraine Crane to investigate trump political opponent. Joe Biden and his son. Kent also documented. A campaign led by Giuliani to oust the then ambassador to Ukraine Marie Ivanovich. That's according to a transcript of West. His testimony as part of the house impeachment probe can't said he learned of an effort to force Ukraine to conduct. Tuck the investigations in part from tweets by Giuliani. He said there was an effort to initiate politically motivated prosecutions that were damaging to the rule of law cloudy Silas NPR news. The
George Kent Testimony: Key Excerpts From the Impeachment Inquiry
"Well more transcripts released yesterday in the house impeachment inquiry of president trump George can't testified in his deposition last month that he took issue with a letter to the committee's written by secretary of state Mike Pompeii owes office saying that state department officials were being bullied threatened and intimidated by Congress over their cooperation with the impeachment and Corey to the contrary can testify he said he never felt bullied and made the point in a terse exchange with another official at the state department who claim to have written that letter bill right top CBS news
Top takeaways from George Kent's newly released impeachment inquiry testimony
"The latest transcript of impeachment inquiry testimony reveals damning evidence house impeachment investigators release more transcripts of earlier closed door testimony this time from state department official George can't CBS's Nora o'donnell in testimony released today George can't says president trump wanted the leader of Ukraine to make a public statement including three key words investigations Biden and Clinton says that was his understanding based on his conversations with other administration officials Clinton can't explain was shorthand for the twenty sixteen presidential campaign he also told the family was instructed to lay low on Ukraine policy as administration officials and Rudolph Giuliani we're taking the lead correspondent Nancy Cordes one person who witnesses say it was very alarmed by all of this was the president's former national security adviser John Bolton he did not show up to testify today but sources told The Washington Post that he might be willing to talk if a federal judge clears the way first I'm Jim Shannon the first public hearing of the impeachment inquiry is set for next Wednesday and KNX will bring you comprehensive coverage also is this still a lot of division of the impeachment probing the president trump the latest UFC during such LA times poll shows forty four percent agree an impeachment should go through well thirty percent say it should not but pulled director Joel Darling says partition persuasion is often the key factor when it comes to issues like this there are a lot of people whose opinions are going to fall along partisan lines their minds are already kind of made up there a supporter of trump and they're going to be more likely to say that he should be acquitted xterra Democrats they're more likely to say he should be removed Darling says the poll also shows a modest majority of the country is at least trying to keep tabs on the impeachment process Chrissy grooms can extend seventy
House Impeachment Panel Releases Damning George Kent Transcript
"How should pitchman investigators release more transcripts of closed door testimony this time from career diplomat George can't corresponded bill Rakoff in his testimony George can told lawmakers that he shared then ambassador Marie Bonaventure's concerns that the United States chose to move an ambassador based on unfounded and false claims by people he said had clearly questionable motives a lot of it was recalled from her post three months early after many allies of the president most notably Rudy Giuliani waged a campaign for her removal
"george kent" Discussed on The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell
"The three Amigos as they call themselves were energy secretary Rick Perry the completely inexperienced trump ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sunland and the just briefly carson refitted before we go break here other than Matt Gates and that kind of theatrical interruption that he was doing as much for cameras in the hallway as as news which is to be expected but by one agree with what your other guests were saying tonight that we have this parade of extremely capable route feel really sorry for Rick Wilson that he can't watch Republicans on those committees being shamed and embarrassed and sheepish. But you're just GONNA have to wait for the we're starting off tonight really appreciate it when we come back. It appears that the Southern District of New York is closing in on Rudy Giuliani original johnny used to be the boss the primary.
"george kent" Discussed on The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell
"Well of course they call themselves the three Amigos that are breaking news tonight of course they did the Washington Post is reporting tonight that White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney organized a meeting in the spring of this year in the White House and which he put the three Amigos in charge of Ukraine policy special US envoy to Ukraine Kurt Volker Washington Post is reporting tonight the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Short Ken testified about the three Amigos sitting in his under oath closed-door deposition it with the White House with the House Impeachment Committees Today George met with investigators today despite being to by the State Department not to do that according to officials similar familiar with the investigation the State Department Director George Kent Not to appear and sought to limit his testimony. The House Intelligence Committee then issued a last-minute Subpoena ordering him to appear and he complied with that subpoena George is the second top this current State Department official to defy request not to comply with the houses impeachment inquiry a request give it to him by his employers at the State Department the first to do that was Marib the former US ambassador to Ukraine who president trump ordered to be removed from her post she is still a State Department employee but she did testify the New York Times reports George Kent raised concerns to colleagues early this year about the pressure being directed at Ukraine by Mr Trump and his private lawyer Rudolph Giuliani to pursue investigations into Mr Trump's political rivals accord to people familiar with Mr Warnings as far back as March they said Mr Kent pointed to Mr Giuliani's role and what he called a disinformation campaign intended to use a Ukrainian prosecutor to smear Mr Trump's adversaries those included former vice president Joseph Biden Marie Ivanovich than the United States ambassador to Ukraine and Ukrainians who disseminated damaging information during the two thousand sixteen campaign about Mr Trump's campaign chairman Paul manafort late last night that near the Times reported that then National Security Adviser John Bolton was alarmed by the Ukraine scandal and told an aide to to the to the white two White House lawyer to tell the White House lawyers what was going on the Times reports Mr Bolton got into a tense exchange on July ten with with Gordon Sunland the trump donor turned ambassador to the European Union who was working with Juliani the president's personal lawyer to press you create to investigate Democrats according to three people who heard the testimony that is the testimony of Fiona Hill President Trump's former top Russia adviser who testified lead to impeachment investigators on Monday behind closed doors according to the New York Times Fiona Hill testified that Mr Bolton told her to notify the chief lawyer for the nationalist council about a rogue effort by Mr Sunland Mr Giuliani and Mick Mulvaney the acting White House chief of staff according to people familiar with the testimony I am not part of whatever drug deal sunland and Mulvaney are cooking up Mr Bolton a Yale trained lawyer told Ms Hill to tell White House lawyers according to two people at that deposition and leading off our discussion tonight are Democratic Congressman Jeb Jamie Raskin Maryland he's a member of the House Oversight Committee and the House judiciary maybe he attended George Ken Step Position Today also joining us Jonathan Alder Collins from nearly Beast Msnbc political analyst Rick Wilson Republican strategist and contributor to the daily beast us the author of everything trump touches dies and Cartman raskin let me start with you and what you learned what you can tell us you learn from Mr Kent today I cannot give you any particular is unfortunately about his testimony but let me tell you what I've learned from multiple witnesses who've come forward now from the State Department and the official American bureaucracy there was basically an unofficial illegitimate shadow foreign policy being conduct did by donald trump and Rudy Giuliani and you know Rosencrantz and gilded stern his henchmen where they were engaged in shakedown Ukrainian government in order to obtain their agreement to conduct a political hit against the Biden's then they covered all of that up and buried it in the secret server basically selling out our constitution and our election but the telephone call which made all of this infamous July twenty fifth call between president trump and residents let's really just the tip of the iceberg because this was an ongoing campaign of sabotage in Europe where they get a number of people one of those people was the ambassador at the US ambassador to Ukraine who got sacked after assistant matic disinformation propaganda campaign that was waged against her and she was one of the early casualties of the Juliana Juliani campaign in Ukraine that's embassador Giovanni Veg and I think that that was a critical moment for a lot of people in the State Department when they woke up to the fact that trump in Giuliani were engaged in this effort totally illicit to undercut the US foreign policy which was designed to counter corruption but Ani's team basically connected with the corruption and essentially wanted to take over the corruption racket in Ukraine and the Mirror Times is reporting tonight there is a a kind of a investigation of sorts going on inside the White House which seems to be what the New York Times is calling a search for a scapegoat and they are focusing on John Eisenberg he's the White House counsel for National Security of the New York Times quotes people who've seen what's going on there saying Mr Eisenberg is in a precarious position Carson Raskin have you detected in the evidence and the testimony I've been getting a role John Eisenberg has played in this you could tell us about well unfortunately I cannot but I will tell you this I think that there does seem to be growing sentiment among our GOP colleagues to find some scapegoats some fog is I that Rudy Giuliani right now is looking pretty lonely ambassador Sunlen is looking pretty lonely and I think there may be some effort to try to and `putative them from Donald Trump and say oh he was the victim of all of all these people the problem is that the smoking gun in this investigation is what kicked it off the phone call where Donald Trump reveals himself to be executing the scheme right there I want you to do us a favor though that a bunch captured the entire thing he knew he was holding up three hundred and ninety one million dollars in foreign military assistance that we in Congress had voted for a besieged democratic ally resisting Russian aggression all in order to get president's Alinsky to agree to stage this political kid on the guy that Donald trump was is fearing his his opponent Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden but what's come out and what is coming out more and more every day that this is really just the very the top of the cake if you will it's baked all the way to the bottom with corruption and there were financial schemes that were being executed their political scheme that were being executed there in all of it subverting the legitimate authority of the US government the cardinal sin of this administration is that the president has converted read the Public Office of the presidency into an instrument of private self-enrichment and political advancement that is precisely what the founders of the constitution warns against it's why we've got the foreign and the domestic emoluments clause in the constitution twice the president can't make any other money and it's why he can't sell us out to foreign powers but that's precisely what he's been doing on an almost daily basis Rick Wilson they didn't wait for any of us to give them the insulting label free Amigos they proudly gave themselves that title the masterminds of the trump Ukraine policy you know this is this as a group the old friends the gang that couldn't shoot straight this is the game that does even understand that they're setting themselves up for long-term mockery just by that name alone but what's what's terrifying trump I think is that he was so involved in the communications with all of these people if you're going to be the criminal mastermind you have cut outs you have you have dead drops you have ways that you're not immediately touching the the actual stinky part of the stick well donald trump is talking to someone he's talking to all these guys and he saw him here's what I wanted to say here's what I want you to do he's been out there on the transcript of the call that he says it in public over and over again all these things proved that famous thing for watering these are not bright guys and it got out of control. They're not smart people Jonathan Alter Mike Pence Rudy Giuliani both today refusing to comply with subpoenas for documents from the House impeachment committees but and yet we deep yet another member State Department currently employed by the State Department showing up to testify cracking that wall that the trump administration's trying to McKinley former ambassador to Brazil and Afghanistan and a couple of other countries who has been in a senior position in the State Department he is now resigned and he is going to testify so what you have here Lawrence is what you could call a patriotic surge so you remember Steve Bannon coined the phrase the deep state right it should be turned into a positive idea the deep patriotic state we're fortunate in this country that we have career foreign service officers whose allegiance to the United States and the constitution not to the person who happens to be president and they have served McKinley does for this this week he's been the State Department since nineteen eighty two these are real professionals they are very smart capable people who have been trained and are experienced looking out for the national interest they so there are now many whistle blowers there's the idea that this depends on one whistle blower is weeks old This is this is about the dramatic state moving in a direction that is very good for the country so I'm actually you encourage tonight we out of the woods no there's a long way to go there will be bad weeks for those who want to hold Donald Trump accountable between now and the way the store eventually unfolds but the good guys are going to win because we have enough good guys in government right now let's listen to what Chairman Adam Schiff said about why the depositions are being held in a closed door atmosphere. Now let's listen to this we're doing these initial hearings in closed session and it makes a lot of sense to do that when you're conducting investigation because I'm sure the White House would like nothing more than to be able to to get their stories straight by hearing what these witnesses have to say and there are good and important invested reasons not to let one witness know what another Nisa said Carson Raskin this process obviously has a similar versions elsewhere in the judicial system for grand stories for example and even trials there are plenty of trials in which witnesses are sequestered during the trial because they they don't want the witnesses to hear each other so they can get story straight but one of the flaws in that concept here is that presumably the Republican members of your committees many of them will relay as much as they possibly can certainly the to the trump White House about what's been said in these depositions right well your first analogy think is the most correct one lawrence in an impeachment process according to the Constitution the House of Representatives acting like a prosecutor and a grand jury in a way you could view the Judiciary Committee the other impeachment committees as the prosecutors who will bring before the full house acting as injury the evidence and then the house will vote at that point it's an over to the Senate which will conductor trial I think a lot of republican colleagues are falling into the fallacy of king of the House as conducting trial we're not the trial will take place in the Senate and that's the point at which the full due due process protections will attached on both sides meantime what we are doing is basically what grand juries do some of the prior impeachments have had the benefit of special councils were appointed as with Kenneth Starr in the Nixon impeachment or Archibald Cox in the Rather Arch Wilcox Nixon Impeachment County Star in the Clinton and government we don't have that here remember Muller was very limited in circumscribed in time and scope to just the two thousand sixteen election the Russian influence br that started as a counter intelligence investigation but there's not anything about Ukraine there so we're doing all of that factual assembly this year we're starting at right now this is the beginning of it and we really don't have time for all of the kind of theatrics circus like atmosphere which the Republicans Created in House Judiciary Committee when we were doing the Muller Investigation we've gotTA get right down to business so we're being very sober very methodical and very serious about it we know that our colleagues would like to recreate the kind of circus atmosphere you saw with the Dow ski hearing which was probably the lowest moment in the hole he's been processed that was taking place in the judiciary committee but this is solemn it's behind closed doors now the Republicans have tried to crash Matt Gaetz showed up and said even though he's not Burn the relevant committees he wanted to be there he delayed everything by forty five minutes or an hour so we expect future antics provocations by them but chairmanship his running a very serious and sober process and we're getting all the evidence we need and we're going to get that evidence and we're going to be able to make some serious recommendations to the Judiciary Committee room the members the Republican members of the committee and the Republican staff members of the committee who were there on the committees were there are they doing those kinds of of the theatrical slowdowns that we would see if this was a public event where we're getting some polemics some diatribes at the beginning of the hearing.