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How Gratitude Builds Neural Pathways To Happiness - Jane Tornatore PhD

The Gratitude Podcast - Stories That Inspire Positive Thinking

37:39 min | 1 year ago

How Gratitude Builds Neural Pathways To Happiness - Jane Tornatore PhD

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You get unlimited access to read or listen to a massive library of condensed nonfiction books all the books you want and all for one low price right now for a limited time. Blinking has a special offer just for our audience. Go TO BLINK DOT COM Slash Grad. Jude tried free for seven days and save twenty five percent of your new subscription. That's blink kissed spelled B. L. I. N. K. I S. T. blankets dot com slash gratitude. To Start Your Free seven-day trial and you'll also save twenty five percent but only when you're signing up at blankets dot com slash gratitude. A simple little tools like when I work with my clients. Give them very simple. Tools is nothing super complicated because what I realized is like the gratitude practice it seems super simple on the surface like opium feel grateful but when we do it. We're putting multiple. Parts of our brain to work are conscious or unconscious. And so you know these practices have much bigger fact and we can even understand or realize just like the you know. We're not going out there going. I'M GONNA look for my new car every moment of the day. Our brain just does it so the simple things are so profound and worked on so many levels. Welcome to the gratitude podcast on. Www dot. George Bente Dot com where you'll hear a new story each week that will inspire more gratitude in your own life. Our mission is to inspire one hundred thousand people to discover how to feel gratitude and live a happy life through the amazing life stories of our successful guests. And they're actionable tips. Had now the host of our podcast Georgia Bente high gratitude seeker. Welcome to new episode of the gratitude. Podcast today with us. We have an amazing woman. She studied mental health in Europe listed and She's such an amazing amazingly positive person. I just love her vibe and I'm really happy to have her on and to chat that little bit about gratitude and Also I think we'll go a little bit into self acceptance. Her name is Jane Doe Ray Beige or Tornatore if you Won The name in English and She is a and Her superpower is using her extensive training and wide-ranging life experiences to help people realign their brain brain patterns to release unnecessary stress and increased self acceptance and kindness. Amazing Jane Welcome to the gratitude. Podcast thank you so much George John. I really appreciate being on. Also it's a real real pleasure to have you on then. I'm really curious where our conversation will lead to. Actually let us knowledge of bit about you or a little bit more about you and also we will get into how you define gratitude and how you experience it personally okay. Well let's see I. I grew up in a family that didn't feel super safe. And so I learned how not to feel grateful and I learned to be scared a lot of the time and you know my family was very loving but you know like many families we had some. Yes some issues so It at one point in my life I realized that most of my focus was what was wrong. What I didn't have What was wrong with me? I didn't feel lovable. Nobody was loving me enough and I decided actually it was through a to help me with work and to have a sense of having enough money that I developed a gratitude practice and since then it's life hasn't gotten like magically good and perfect but I am so much safer and at peace and happier with life as it is here. Not I've I've my down days. You know believe me but In general unlike you know I'm okay. You know this is happening you. I'm still okay and it'll probably change because it always does so. Gratitude has changed for me how I am in my life and I think my struggles when I was younger for helping me because the struggles really helped me appreciate who I am. Now and the life. I've chosen to live now that really that really resonates with me and When when you think about it it's such a simple thing to do and We tend to to not do it because it's because it's so simple and I wanted to do to go into something a little bit deeper From what I know when it comes to the feeling of safety our our brain actually is looking for safety and is looking for ways of making us of making sure that we survive and right Not Not so much It doesn't focus as much on naturally on the things that are good because they don't have much value when it comes to survival. Yeah they won't kill us so let's go a little bit deeper in into this topic like why. Why are we doing this to ourselves? I quite why do we keep ourselves in this in this kind of state and How how can we Get Out of this situation. You're exactly right our brain doesn't are. I like to talk about the ego. Not In the way. Freud did it but just in my my own version of the EGO and basically in my view are egos job is to keep us alive of us as you said. It's it doesn't care if we thrive it just wants is to stay alive And there's some There's some that believe that the newest part of our brain the neo cortex is where the egos based in the neo. Cortex is job is to basically search for what's wrong search for danger searched for stuff to fix like it's when unless we're like you know what they call in the flow were actively engaged in. We're totally in the moment. And we aren't having thoughts outside the moment. Which is you know. Pretty Rare I got it when I'm in conversation with people or I'm Or in the water either. One make me happy but when we're not in the flow. Our brain is literally searching for problems. So it's in in. Having a gratitude. Practice is choosing to make a like a thought interrupt because our brain naturally searched Problems You know there is a theory that like you know. Most of our thoughts are repetitive. Like eighty something like eighty percent of our thoughts aren't new. They're just thoughts. We've had many times before and like something. Like seventy percent of them are negative. So we've got the same negative thoughts going day after day hour after hour month after month with the gratitude practice bills different neural pathways. So we have more of a choice. When we're conscious in the moment we can say how do I? How do I wanNA feel in this moment? Whether I can quote do anything about it or NAT. How do I want to feel in this moment? And when we've done the gratitude practice we have math neural pathways built-up Not nearly as many as the worry ones but enough so we can kind of step aside and go. I'm GonNa feel grateful or I'm going to see what is possible or I'm going to see how this might help me in the long run. So it simply gives us more options for how we are in the moment and the practice as you said is the important part. Because that's what builds up the the neural pathway patterns rest to be able to access exactly the thing that we we usually don't realize when it comes to these kinds of things is that we already have a practice and we already have a habit nice kind of we want right and you touched on something that reminded me of the regular activating system and that is the part of our brain that searches externally for data. That matches are internal beliefs so that habit that worry habit that we naturally have when when that's what we focus on our brain is like like so fun looking for ways that I'm not loveable. My mom not lovable. My retur ridiculous. Activating system is out there searching for. Oc There's a point bay looked away when they saw your when when they saw you coming. Oh that prisoners in calling you bass. Oh so it's it's looking for data that matches what I believe but if I go around going well you know I love myself or I'm lovable. Sometimes I doubt it but I'm still basically a lovable person. Then I'll think oh I had such a great conversation an oh. That person doesn't even know me smiled at me. And oh I'm loving myself so we can actually Q. Our brain through stuff like the gratitude practice to Actually unconsciously search more for What we are grateful for in our life. Does that make sense? No hat makes a lot of sense that makes so much sense and Rene when I think about the ridiculing activating system I think about Just for instance. When you want a new car you tend to see that car everywhere absolutely. And that's so simple like it's it's not the coincidences just. Your brain is actually looking for it. It's bring much more attention to it and it's the same thing with how things work on the inside for us. Isn't it absolutely? Yeah like as you're as you're talking about that it just reminds me that simple little tools like when I work with my clients. I give them very simple tools as nothing super complicated. Because what I've realized is like the gratitude practice it seems super simple on the surface like again feel grateful but when we do it. We're putting multiple. Parts of our brain to work are conscious or unconscious and so you know. These practices have much bigger effect. And we can even understand or realize just like you know. We're not going out there going. I'm going to look for my new car every moment of the day. Our brain just does it so the simple things are so profound and worked on so many levels. Exactly it's it's something automatic and we we already do this and I think this is a really interesting idea to to think about that are already looking for things. Our subconscious is already looking for things and like like you said if we are if we don't like ourselves or we have Some things that we don't lie for. We have a bad opinion on about ourselves. We tend to see That truth in the world we because our subconscious is looking for ways in which to to make us feel right from points of view that this is correct. This is this is how how things are run instead. It's actually something that begins from the inside. Then it's it's really beautiful that it's when we talk about this. It's actually not that Kind of concept. That's an unknown spiritual and it's really hard to to grasp but it's something really simple and scientific isn't absolutely yipper. Yeah so We're already doing this. Basically looking for things that usually aren't right and from some points of view. I believe that it's not entirely bad. Like there are things that we need to fix that That need our attention. But it's really important balancings out from from my point of view because we sometimes tend to do that so much that we're really just don't enjoy live we just solve one problem and another and another and we just forget to enjoy live. We forget why we're here. What what we're doing actually and and it's really sad and I think that's very glad that you can really boost our life experience. And they think that's as very powerful like what what they can do and a how. How can you flint's our focus and what we tend to see afterwards yup absolutely it it changes how we move through the world but to get there right not not magically exactly for me one thing that was very very helpful was this part about self acceptance like. Oh Yeah I had this tendency to see my flaws. Like make them bigger than they are they should be or just compare myself with other people and not accept parts of myself. Deterrent as perfect as They seem to be with other people. And the how can we? How can we reach this level of self acceptance in kindness? I'm like gratitude. I see it as a practice Because you know we've got our NEO CORTEX working against us. It's not working against us. It's just keeping US alive which is Super Awesome. Because if we weren't alive we couldn't do gratitude practice so like when I'm working with my clients wore myself their parts of myself that I do not like that. I judged that I beat myself up for and what I found is that when I can hold except those parts doesn't mean I get triple bonus points if I can love those parts of me that are so hurt and so scared. 'cause that's usually what they are But when I can just told them and go there you are. You're here you're scared. You're you're telling me I'm not lovable. And if I can hold it as as a part of myself versus all of these like oh I suck versus. Oh I just made a pretty big mistake. That's that's GonNa suck right but we hold it as a part of ourselves or or but but not all of ourselves so then we give ourselves some kind of psychological distance from these parts that we don't like they're still part of us and they always will be You know our some of our habits and our thoughts. They could be there forever. It's how we respond to them so for me. I GIVE I. I give compassion for the parts of me. That are hurting and that do feeling I'm not valuable. Do feel like I'm a failure or you know should be ashamed or shouldn't be lovable or any of those parts always come up from past hurt. So that's where I start and it's it's a it's a as far as I can tell so far and I'm fifty seven. It's a lifelong practice and I think especially taking into consideration despite the fact that it's a lifelong process. I think this makes self acceptance even more important because Burgon. We're going to live with ourselves for many years to come and if we managed to accept ourselves and to appreciate ourselves as much as possible it makes for so so much joy in such a great life experience compared to Not Feel feeling all the time that we are not not enough or not good enough for we. Just don't accept those things that we might feel are unlovable or Either that are not okay with us. And it's a pity because Sometimes it's really all in our heads and that that's so funny for me. I mean not funding but I was very Surprised in in many situations to find out that people that from the outside seem to be like wouldn't they wouldn't have any issue and write their lives. What a Meyer fact. Yeah even from my point of would I wouldn't be able to find anything bad with how they look for instance and they still found some things that weren't okay and they were very self conscious about them and this is something that we already had all have actually and it doesn't matter help perfect you are in on it. It is this for me. It was very very interesting to see and they at at least that to a certain point. I thought that okay. I'm I'm just not perfect myself. So probably those people that are perfect. From my point of view they are they really feel that perfect you know. Yeah Yeah you you bring up a beautiful point because this work on self acceptance always always always leads us to be more accepting less judgmental of others like I. Special one of my one of my specialties is working with Caregivers of people who have Alzheimer's and One of my focuses is on like take care of you. Love Yourself More. Give yourself self care. Stop beating yourself up for not being quote the perfect caregiver to you. Know the your loved one and nobody has ever come back and said you know now that I'm taking care of myself and kinder to myself. I'm a sucky caregiver like nobody has ever said that. They'll go on more patient and more loving. I'm more kind. They are kinder to the people who you know need so much help in their lives and this is true for all of us like yours. Your self acceptance in yourself. Compassion leads automatically to. Oh those people even though I think they look perfect. They're probably hurting too. They parts themselves. They don't like and you know when we see another people. It's heartbreaking really. Oh that is so sad when we see the parts in ourselves. We don't like our heart gets a little harder like I shouldn't say that what we sleep harden up versus that openness and softness of compassion. So we get to have that too exactly and we deserve it and yes we. We deserve appreciation and It's it's very important to to take the time to just think about those things that we re appreciate about ourselves because one of the things that people don't usually think about when it comes to gratitude as he can it be grateful for ourselves as well like for things that are great about us and people get so scared about that they just feel so bad saying oh. I love this about myself so I do this. Type of therapy called sins which stands for complex integration of multiple brain systems in. It's awesome and there's a woman there who's always at the trainings and she said you know when when you do something and you feel bad about doing it like. I'm so proud of myself for accomplishing that project. And then really Oh God him so stuck up. I'm so selfish. I'm so glad that she said but if somebody else were proud of themselves working really hard and getting stumped something done we wouldn't judge them. They're like yeah. Yeah for you go to right so she said so if it's a good idea for somebody else but it's not okay for us. She said eleven times out of ten. Were breaking a family rule. So eleven times out of ten. We grew up going. Nope you do. Not Who do you think you are? You're too big for your britches shits you know. Sit down. Don't don't don't do that. You're embarrassing me. How embarrassed you know so. Most of US learned that. It's not okay to be proud of ourselves because it's quote scene is selfish. 'cause somehow been proud of ourselves is become associated with. I'm better than you if I'm proud of myself then I think I'm better than you versus non. I'm just proud of myself. Didn't you don't matter as far as that when you're awesome but why pride has nothing to do with your value but we learned that it does somehow exactly and I think this has a lot to do with Compare it comparing our other people because when we accept ourselves how other people are. It's isn't really that relevant than when we are proud of ourselves is in because we are better than other people is just that we are proud of ourselves and we appreciate ourselves and yeah we we feel great about what we were able to do or who we are and the thing. Is that people who are in in this way are very very likable very lovable. Very very nice people and Even though they're not perfect and this is this is the whole thing like there are so many people that may be. I don't know it doesn't really matter. But it's like they. They don't have the the certain the characteristics that that you think about when it comes to an ideal person and they are still very attractive. They had very fun very cool. I Dunno you just feel great when when you're attracted to them. Yeah I think a an are as human beings when we're not you know really really hurt human beings Or even if we've been hurt but we've done this work for self compassion and south acceptance. I think at our heart. We are generous beings. We want the best for everybody when we are enough. We want enough for everybody. It's like there's no zero sum game than me. Tell you about one of the ultimate life hacks. It's hard to find the time to sit down and read and learn more when you don't have the free time you can't read their work on personnel development. There is an incredible APP that solves this problem and they highly recommended. It's called Blink Blink. His really unique and it works on your phone. Your tablet or your web browser blink. His stakes best key takeaways. The need to know information from thousands of nonfiction books and condenses them down into just fifteen minutes that you can read or listen to twelve million people are using it right now and it has a massive and growing library. Thanks to blink. Is I finally got to read? Gay Hendricks Book the Big Lip. Conquer your hidden fear and live to the next level. The book my friend and former guest on the gratitude. Podcast recommended with blink. You get unlimited access to read or listen to a massive library of condense nonfiction books all the books you want an all for one low price right now for a limited time blink. Years has a special offer just for our audience. Go TO BLINK DOT COM slash credit. You try it free for seven days and save twenty five percent off your new subscription. That's blinking spelled B. L. I. N. K. S. T. BLANKETS DOT com slash gratitude to start your free seven-day trial and you'll also save twenty five percent but only when you sign up at blinking dot com slash gratitude with Acceptances compassion. That there's no I'm sorry. There's a finite amount of compassionate acceptance in the world and a fight takes some you get less. No it's just like it's like a multiplies. It's like the more we have the more we spread actually in the mar other people have in the more day spread in. It's it's In we make the world a better place by accepting ourselves but literally. 'cause we friend that you know people feel good around you when you're when you're feeling gratitude when you're when you're kind to yourself then those people feel good and then when narrow around people those people feel good and you know it's like it's like a good infection in the world and a good way and I think it's it's easier for us to visualize the center to realize days this when we when we think about The other side of the coin. Like and your and you talk in a certain way to another person and they feel bad or they feel mad as well and they they take that away and they talk in a mean way to someone else and he can go on until someone actually stops it and doesn't continue but it's it's really how it works and sometimes we. We got to be bad that just because I don't know ten people If we go ten people back someone was feeling hurt. Or something and they They took that anger out on someone else and I think that you know this this can. This can happen in a positive way as well and Maybe it's not that office because it's more soft I think and it's not that man that easy to to recognize what it's still very amazing. It really is. Since we're I know it you wouldn't expect it but we are actually and nearing the end of our time together Zuber fast. I know I know I can't believe it's even though I'm saying it bridge. Let's talk a little bit about The things that you are grateful for and the people that you are grateful for and I love the you ask that question. Because you're what you're preaching. That's I'm I so much gratitude I'm grateful for the people in my life who are so supportive and Always helped me see that. I'm lovable and I'm capable and That I'm a good force in the world and I do. Those would be my sister. Who's just a a font of unconditional love like literally She's awesome and my parents who you know they're both past and they both had many struggles and the but they always loved me. I'm it was. It's really interesting. They just you know. I just knew that I was their kid. So they loved me period than the Super Awesome and then my friends and and The people who helped me spread my message out into the world Dolores Hirschman who's my wonderful coach and my virtual assistant faith and the all around. Good Person Laura Denton who? I just talked to the other night and talk to her for a while and I always get off the phone. I'm like Oh there's so much good in the world and I'm part of it and it's just I love the people who you know. Help me spread positively positively in the world by giving me their positively. That's amazing that's amazing. It's always the people in our life that make us feel grateful and that have such beautiful and positive effect on us and I I was about how interesting it is when you're engaged in a conversation You are present. I am connecting this with something that you talked in in the beginning And we are out of our heads. We listened to the other person and We tend to focus focus on on different things. Especially if it's of course a positive conversation and I think that this is this is another great idea to actually talk about the things that you're grateful for and shared them. Yes absolutely there people who have gratitude buddies and they just text each other each morning and or each night. And say what? They're grateful foreign. They just they always feel good about it. It's amazing yeah that's great idea and a really great way of Having this engagement as well like for people that don't work well just by themselves to write things down. It's a really really great idea to to make this into something. Interactive Andom doom to make this into something that they can share with other people and I think that this is. This is very powerful. Yeah absolutely because we're spreading that much faster exactly exactly so Let us know. Where can our audience find your work in the in touch in Your work awesome. Yes I've got a website everyday. Love Dot me and I'm on facebook under every day. Love and if people do instagram. It's Dr Jane Twenty Tour de R. J. A. N. E. T. O. R. An A. T. O. R. E. and. I've got a youtube channel everyday love but you can't find it unless you also type in Jane. Turner Torque is. There's an everyday love song that like pigs all the like. That's always where it goes so little harder to find me on youtube unless you put my name to all my video look Dorky is the screen capture is just like really like not one. Zuma smile. It's fascinating. I've been very mobile face. Apparently yeah I wouldn't expect that because they're so fun and so full of energy and Thank you yeah it is. It's delightful my my system just soothes down and and feels calmer when I when I'm speaking with you you've got a very lovely calming peaceful accepting kind of Energy. Thank you so much. Thank you really really appreciate. It just feels good. Oh Azam we did our job. I'm hoping that this will get our listeners. As well and yeah just uplift them and Get them on track to yeah even better. And even bet their absolute Is there something that you would like to share about gratitude that I I failed to mention or to ask you and the end of our time together? That's a great we've covered so much No I I think. Oh actually there's one more thing I'm thinking is we're talking about people like one of the things that I can unfair one of the when those times when it's really hard to be grateful and we're just like life just seems to be hitting us in we cannot get behind the gratitude bandwagon My cats and for some people dogs the are like they don't judge asked just their little personalities but they they're just they're just there and when. I'm having a hard time feeling grateful. I think of my cats and automatically iheart just bursts with warmth and I think dogs and cats and you know for other people other animals I think the more were around them the more remember. Oh this isn't about who I am like. They don't care if somebody yelled at us. They don't care if we screwed up at work they don't care if we accidentally insulted somebody they're just there and they're like oh you're there. Yeah so there for me a fond of unconditional acceptance. They just they're them and you can be you in. It's all good so I just WanNa add that for for the pet pet lovers out there. It's like it's a it's a powerful thing and I have a friend who did puppy yoga the other day which she mostly just petted the puppies instead. But they're just you know when I'm I just saw puppies last weekend and I just felt automatically good so anyway can get puppies or kittens in Your Life Deloitte and I love them too and I can certainly vouch for net Israel right beings exactly some so thank you so much for being part of gratitude podcast and for your time and for your presence and for everything that you shared today thank you Jordan. It was truly my pleasure. Hey gratitude seeker. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen to this interview. I really appreciate it and if you could think of one person that would also benefit from it. Share it with them. It might actually be the inspiration that they need to make their day or maybe even their life much better. Thank you so much once again. This has been Georgia Banta though forget to keep seeking and spreading gratitude.

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112. Feature Presentation - Blow (2001)

Midnight Double Feature - A Film Podcast

2:48:04 hr | 1 year ago

112. Feature Presentation - Blow (2001)

"After leaving his small New England town for college georgiana dives, deep into the booming marijuana market of the late sixties, but years later graduates into the dark and gritty world of Colombian cocaine as business escalates. So does the violence and Georgia's use of the drug in question as seventies turned to the eighties George find juggling his roles as husband father and drug trafficker while all the wall trying to keep the cost office back in his head above water. Welcome to another feature presentation midnight feature. And on this episode will be covering two thousand one's below directed by Ted. Demme. What's going on guys? Welcome back to midnight double feature tonight. We're going to be covering two thousand one's blow direct by Ted. Demme Zohab have, how are you doing this evening this morning for you? I guess. Yeah. Well, it's just ticked over too often. Yemen. I'm good. I'm good. I'm really good. Yeah. What? This is a weird one before we get into, like, you know, let's do concessions and all that thing all that shit. But I would love number one. My the main question in my mind is what the fuck did you make me watch this movie? Have you have you never seen this before? This is the first time for me. Oh my God, man, that like to me, this, this, this was like a staple by, like growing up. Like when I saw this, I was probably. Oh, god. I was probably like fifteen sixteen years old. And like this was right up there with stuff, like you know, you watch this goodfellas Scarface like shit like that. You know, like it was it was up there. But I this that's that's, that's the price of you've never seen it before. Yeah. I mean I was telling you. Sorry, I was telling you, I really like you know, movies about the cartel and shit like that, man. Like I this is like, that's kind of like almost in my wheelhouse, man. Like I love that shade, let the crime shed like men like I didn't have to tell you and remind you again, that's Cario is my baby of all time, and that fucking is all about the caught out like I love that, that kind of like sub-genre of crime films. But this one this, this is just one that like flew on my right arm. And like I'd never even heard of georgiana either. Wow, that's fucking crazy. I mean, I really I mean I hadn't really either to list movie come out. I'm sure like most people, I'd heard a public bar had heard of Norman's K. I had heard of, you know, the, the cocaine boom in the eighties and stuff. But, but no, I didn't know like the specifics of it, and being there's definitely some historical. Inaccuracies inaccuracies with this. I mean it's a fucking movie. But all in all I was like kind of something about it carried over from last week's episode about this, this crime, kind of element as account wanna do some this crime related. You know, as I want to do some high C crime e- druggies moaning out of fucking Bank. Yeah. Right. No, no. Norton coke. And rob van could cook? Somebody's peak. But yeah, I, I tell you, what I you go for you. Tell me what you talk, because I mean, it's my pick, I disliked the movie, I think that's kind of like a given. But I wanna hear you think I. Yeah. Well, okay, I'll get my thoughts but we didn't even fuck out. Wait. We just jump right into this. Fucking media's so guys whereabout get into thoughts on fuck in what's called the employer. I'm kidding. Okay. I know what it's called, we're gonna get into thoughts on blow just before we get into that letting full spoilers. We're going to go through it sequentially we're gonna talk about it same by saying, and, you know, get into it. You know, get into all of the, I guess, the Fame's and whatever the fuck and make just silly jokes and old oughta hygiene, so easily. If this is your first time chaining in this is what's called a feature presentation. We also have outcoming attractions episodes, as usually hosted by Matt, and usually house may on, and those basically news episodes that we just kind of like talk Boesch it about. And you know, talk about the new trial is, give out little short reviews on what's adding cinema right now we just saw John wick three so we reviewed that as well. Check that out. That's on the fate now. And where also we also had special features, as well which is kind of, like Al sort of like one off sort of special episodes. I think call I think I have a new one. Sometime coming Sern like saying game of thrones just finished typing have Joe Beck on. Yeah, she's awesome. Did love to have back on. And guys bay showed a follow us on socials. We have affect so page which has been double-faced Shah. And we have Al Facebook group, which is the off to potty so feel free to jump in on that basically. That's why we postal maims news and pray visa. What's to come next on not fair? Love that community. That communities, thriving love it also Instagram, which is that not double faith, which is another awesome platform that we're on love that, that page, and we're on Twitter, which is at MDF pod. And plays plays plays bass show to review us on turns that would be fantastic, if you think they need to improve just tell us where tell us what areas and, you know, if we need to improve the honest, one star or gives to stars or whatever the fuck you failed like we need. That would be awesome. But the bottom line is that way, would love to just get your fate back. So if you guys could do that. That'd be awesome. Now blow Mahto talk. I thought it's okay. Yeah. I, I think I think it's if I saw it back in two thousand one when it released and, you know, take away from the fact that I was fucking eight years old. If I saw it as a twenty five year old into one, I think I would locked it a lot more. I think it's kind of, like suffers a little bit because of because recently Spain Sar botch coverage of the midday Inkatel, like do you know what I mean? There's been some so many TV shows that have popped up, and I'm then mostly, like fucking quality, Tei shows, and quality movies, man. You mentioned Nakai's off, Ed like Nakai's as incredible as fast as Ivan saying the yet. Have you have you seen those two seasons? I actually haven't I it's like I'm in middle TV ignorant person, but it's one of the few TV shows on like when whenever I like get sick or whenever I break break other bone outta work for like a week. I'm gonna sit down and like binge the show, you know. Yeah. It's dude. It's incredible, especially as fast as in spins really good. Really good. But another, another film, actually that as I was watching blow kept coming to mind was maybe called American made. Have you heard of that? Oh man. That sounds really familiar. I don't think I've seen it. But I think I know what you're talking about. Yes, American made is a movie starring Tom Kerr's directed by Doug Lyman came at twenty seventeen. I'll Reiji the the plot synopsis. Right. Is very similar. And I think in, in my opinion, I think it told the story little bit better. It's not the same guy, by the way. So berry sale at Tate pollen is recruited by the CIA to provide reconnaissance on the on the Belgian in communist threat in Central America and soon funds himself in charge of one of the biggest covet. See I operations in the history of United States. The operation spawns, the birth of the midday Inkatel, almost brings down the Reagan White House. So it's a bit. It's a bit. It's a bit more on the political side of things like it goes into the CIA and stuff, but it's still deals with a lot of what blow does like talking about like trafficking drugs illegally. Try to do it. You know, under the right trying. Not to get fucking court. Like, you know, trying to get on the fucking midday and bad side. I it, it does a lot of what blurred dead, but I think, in my opinion data, and I think when I watched it when I watched American made, I think, watching American made before blow was kind of. Kind of putting blow at a disadvantage because I guess they went movies, lock Blau, like American made that in that time until has once I but yeah, man. Look, I thought I thought it was decent like it's definitely with a watch. I think the story of George Yang is a lot more interesting. And. And a lot more engaging than the actual film, making of the movie. I don't think when. Who's the director, is it? Ted Demme riot. Yeah. Ted Demme yet. Sorry, the name Ted Demme came up, and I was like, oh, Ted Demme the guy who directed fucking Sohn's of the lambs, and, like nine that's Jonathan Demme who passed Hawaii rate, saly Hemos, do you know, about Ted Demme, dude, I did a little bit of digging him into him. Not a lot. I know that Jonathan Demme's actually his uncle. Okay. They. I know that he, he died like right after this came out like a of ion ironically, he had a heart attack. And there is like cocaine in his system like oh, wow. That's well that's crazy. Right. That's what I was gonna say. Like he died on January attained to two playing celebrity Bosco ballgame, any collapsed and died of a heart attack by being related to Kane. Acta Michael report from fucking prison break, it was one of the participants in the game and miss the typing of buck indentifiable some shape. My why this is saying that that's not very relevant than was pretty gray matted ball. So, yeah, that's, that's crazy. Like that is wild. The fact that he just saw recently off this came out. Like, like I was best. I also Jesus fucking wild, like right after this motherfucker comes out, like man. That's, that's like that's crazy. It's like almost spooky shits. That's kind of it's kind of ominous. You know, Irie. Yeah. Areas. Faulk I think this is one of Johnny Depp's better roles. I think this was this was this was two years before because of lack came out. So this is before he kind of hit that, like, here's all ready famous. But he this is before he became like fucking A-List megastar like destroy stratosphere shit. Right. Exactly. So I mean, like he'd already played that Scissorhands and all that shit. So he was already pretty famous but. I thought he was good. Like I didn't really I think it was tough for me to connect to the George John character. And sort of like Johnny Depp soda portrayal of like it was just a bit. Like I'm not really buying it. Like I'm not really. I'm not really into it. And then like dot kind of suffers. When do you get the like, Penelope Kerr's character, by the way, an hour into the movie like yeah. Like was just like. I mess this. You I'm like, where where's the Spanish cities where we're? No. But yeah, like I couldn't really by their relationship, and yeah, I don't know. But. Then, again, man like competiton American-made, but in my head, I keep comparing it to movies, like, goodfellas, and boogie nights, and those movies are this fucking betta. I can't help but compare it in my head, and it just like. It, it just kind of fell away so me like blooded. So. It's, it's a decent movie. It's, it's fine. I was really surprised as to why you chose this. I've the other movie that you considering which would know going to talk about. 'cause like man. Those too even like stand up in your mind like makes Java. Yeah. But look, that's what, what do you give me your thoughts on blow? You obviously, like it hit me. Well, I it's funny because like there, this is like kind of Liga said, there's a large like following of movies, like this Scarface, carlito's way shit like that, especially Scarface are like around where I live a lot of love Scarface, I personally, think Scarface is like one of those overrated movies of all time. I just don't really enjoy it. But what's so funny is like seeing people that I went to school with who like, either lights this movie and this dude. And we're like, yeah, I'm gonna go sell drugs, blonde. Like I mean, I'm not growing up. I knew a lot of people this old drugs. Like I just did I went to school with those people. And it was I went to my high school was like sixteen hundred people like it was like a lot of fucking people. So at some point, like I just do all these people, I grew up around him. You know, it in just everybody knew everybody was kind of, like a small town a smaller town, but it was so funny seeing the, you know, the, the, the, the Johnny dab, send the, you know, the Tony Montana's and stuff to get idolizing. These guys stories are just about like the rise and fall in. It's, it's interesting though, with like with George Young. No. Because they, they kind of like. I'm trying to think they hero is him like so much in this. Like, like even though this guy I mean, if you really wanna break down on, like a moral scale and say, well, you know, this guy helps fund one of the worst, you know, wars in, in human history between, you know, the, the, the median are cartel. An all it's like all the communist rebels and, and all this other stuff. Like if you wanna get into that, you can, but he just comes across like so charming, so like so, like free spirit of the we kind of forget about that. And I and I do think that, that's one thing that we only get like a little touch oven. This is like the violence surrounding all this. There's really not anybody ever like killed except for one dude. And but when it does happen, you're like holy fuck, like it's brutal. But I, I really, really liked this movie, and I don't love it as much as I used to like I used to put this like up there like this was this was probably like my top favourite fifty movies. And, and I think it still might be, but it's just kind of like lower down on the scale somewhere. Now, it's not as high as it used to be. Just just because there are, there are some things that you can I it's like, oh, yeah, this was definitely made in their early thousands, you know. So there's there's, there's some stuff that like doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me. And they, they punch up a lot of this, like they punch, a lot of the story like this woman at the beginning Barbara, like his, I guess I wife for lack of a better term, I like ninety nine percent. Sure she didn't even exist. I can't find any record of her anywhere in like I did some diving today online. And there's a lot of people on, you know, message boards, talking about georgiana, who were like, dude. I can't find any information on this woman in, it's a bio, pic, and stuff like that is going to happen for sure. But, like that's a huge plot point of this. And it's also one of the things that really helps us like, like empathize with George and why we end up liking him so much. And I don't know. There's a little bit of fuck re there. You know, because they wanna make a more likable character. Like, of course, they leave out the part where he's getting into a fight with his wife, who play by, Penelope Cruz in, in the movie, you know, they get into a fight, and he just shoves in real life. He fucking punched in the face in broker knows it's like, holy Ed, like, of course, of course, because gloss over stuff like that. And I think that kind of comes down to, like, like you have to realize that this is made by a director, it's written by people who probably a one to tell a story and bay won an audience to conduct sympathize with the character, and also say, con of have like a subjective view on the guy. Like do you know what I mean? Like, like a lot of people like if you're writing a story, they're not going to try, they want to try and say that their objective. But really, I mean you know, you're gonna like let y'all subject thoughts about the guy come into it as well. Right, right. Exactly. And I it's, it's, it's hard to it's hard to stay kind of, I guess objective about it. You know, if 'cause they're they kind of the kind of lean it either way gets, he gets a little dark, but he's always like this real UPI kind of, like positive guy. And that's just the way georgiana kind of is. When you watch interviews with them in south, but I, I really, I really love this movie. It's like I said, it's not as great as I remember it, but it's still like it's like fifty five percent on rotten tomatoes says dude, it's way better than that. Unlike come the fuck on like on a website where the room with Tommy whistle has a thirty three as below has a fifty five. Now, I don't think so the fuck outta here. And I think that I, I think that in the wake of stuff white because it's kind of suck between stuff like, like what you said American made and goodfellas like it's kind of there's moved there's better movies of it on both sides. And that's what kind of like stuff. That's over the better. And newer that's better. It's like fuck. You know, it's not like oh, we can let this kind of slide a little bit because this is an older movie. It's like no. There's newer there's older movies than this, that came out did this better. And obviously, I don't think any I don't think like anything is going to top goodfellas in that category for a long time. But for me when I was younger, I definitely preferred this to goodfellas now that I'm older like every I prefer goodfellas but. It's, it's interesting instance versus like an entire versus like an entire syndicate, or whatever you wanna call it a crime ring an entire family. It's just this one person. And I think more so than, oh, this is about the crime in the true crime in the murder, lots like no, this is this is about a guy who was like at the threshold of like this insane power that he had over people in in the eighties. I mean when you think about how much cocaine came through the US drain send t five percent in its dude. They said at one point, they were spending, like thirty five hundred dollars a day on rubber bands, just a cake just to keep their money. Holy shit dude, like making three to five million dollars a day in like like late seventies early eighties money. So Georgia young, he was like he like how. Money. Do you think you cleared all of your business? He's like probably five to six hundred million dollars like all of it together, though. Like five hundred sixty five to six hundred like seventies money, our money. He's like, no seventies money. Okay. So you think you made it well over a billion. He's like, oh, yeah. We were doing that shit for while even when he gets cut out. He still running with publis Kabar. So it's like like, like in real life. It wasn't like oh my God. He's cut out. He can never sell drugs again. He kept running with public for awhile, Pablo and him. We're still cool. So he was making pudding moves even with even without the ego Dogo. So, but I, I love this movie. I think that it's not as good as I as I remember it, but it's kind of getting lost time in a way, and I don't like that. I do think I'm like man is better than that? I it's, it's, it's a really really great like period, piece like when I, I saw the stuff for bohemian rhapsody and I saw the trailer Ford this almost reminds me of blow like like the way that the way that I mean, not just because, you know. Freddie Mercury snorts a lot of cocaine. But because of this, amber kind of like seventies color filter on south, you know what I mean? It had this great like seventy shine to it and light and in later on what I think I love about the movie. Is that that shine kind of starts to go away? Whereas towards the end, it's all these real like dark blues, these kind of like it's very cold kind of color palettes, and I love that about it yet when he arrives in California. It's all brought a shit, and then like at the end it's, it's our solar dull like like on peppis. It's, it's, it's crazy. Like I definitely love that stuff. Yeah, it's like when you first get to California starburst just just in your face, you know, explosion of color. But yeah, and I, I hope this movie gets more recognized. I don't want it to get swept under the rug is something that's not as good as goodfellas or American-made or something, because I can I can tell that having as early two thousand one Johnny Depp, reputation. Now where it's like, well, you haven't actors kind of controversial down came out at a time where a lot of good movies coming out, and I can see this kind of getting swept under the rug and loss loss to time. And I John man, I would just fucking hate that. I actually when I had theater in high school. I did to the monologues from this, and, and my, my theater teachers on your shoe gonna do this. This is really sad as like no it's cool. It's a really good. Let's into Rulli. Good monologue. I did the, the one where he's talking to his dad at the tape recorder at the end, and the very, very last one, the kind of narration the comes off. But I just thought man. And I'm pretty sure that. Very last. One is actually written by George John's. It's based off kind of like a book that he was writing. So he's he's, he's a writer, and he's written some interesting stuff. But what we should also mention that this is based on a book right, right? Yeah. I, I see the what's funny is like the original title. Think was it was like. It was crazy name is, I've got a grease outside. What is it? No, I don't have that I've got the books name like Bruce poed has ninety ninety three book blow L A smalltown boy made one hundred million dollars, but the many anti-tank cartel and lost it. All right. The the original title before blow was something crazy, like standing in the night grazing to something it was something crazy. And it's yeah, it was so weird. And then what's hilarious is watching all these George Young interviews and he's like oh, yeah. In the secretary, walks in for, for the for the for the author, he's like, why don't you just? She's, she's fucking call blow. That's when everyone else calls it, and he's like, oh, okay. We'll just call blow. Fuck it. Let's do that. But I say we go ahead and jump right into this shit. What do you think? Yeah. Man about one more thing before we dive in. So this is written by Nick cavities, which is pretty cool. So. I don't want to just quickly so Nick because of Eddie's directed. The night book and another movie that I like alpha dog he's, he's actually pretty solid. He's been in a fucking shitload of stuff if you look up into custody because of Eddie's. But he's also the son of John Cassavetes. It was a massive director back in the day. Didn't wanna poss? Yeah, that's fucking dive into the shifted. Let's do it, man. Oh, and I do want to note something. Interesting. Just just jumping this trivia, like his since you were just talking about your religious dump all this at the front. You might have noticed. Dennis Leary is like one of the producers to this movie did you notice that at all? Did I did. He's he was actually really good friends with Ted Demme, and he ended up, meeting georgiana and apparently, it's Dennis Leary, who got the ball rolling on this. He read George Young's book, and was like, okay, cool. Let's let's get the ball rolling in. He was originally supposed to play George Young. And what's interesting is. Yeah. Super weird. Right. But they, they either ship off the book or a script written after they get the book. But they send off to new line cinema. And Michael DeLuca gets it. Does that name ring? A bell to you. Michael deluca. Yeah. It it does remind me he, he wrote in the mouth of madness. And he's like, what is he's one of the big wigs over new line cinema? So he says, hell. Yeah, totally down to do this movie. But fuck no. We're not using this Leary. Dennis leary. Dennis Leary is a b- actor literally what he says. He's like, we need a actor so up here. Ironically, you're talking about America made it gets shipped around. Tom Cruise comes up and George Young says fuck no fuck you and fuck that he goes George he can sit. Tom Cruise is never smoked to join his life. He has no idea what he's talking about. And so that gets thrown out. They end up going with Johnny Depp, and in the rest of the kind of history. But there is a lot of crazy shit like Johnny Depp would just follow him around the prison. Watching him smoke cigarettes until stories, and he said about after like the six or seven time he showed up. He said, you know what he on that fucking doing this anymore? John, he's like I'm fucking done. He's like, what do you mean? If you don't have me by now, you fucking ain't gonna get me. He's like, that's just it. And he was like, all right. Cool. I got it and that was it. They destroy he'd he'd never showed up. He's all right. Cool. I got you like watching the interviews and stuff. His portrayal is actually pretty accurate. Like, like his his main rooms way that he talks. He kinda has this like croaky throaty kind of way that he talks. It's, it's, it's interesting like an accent, 'cause a lesser actor takes this accent and just like. You sound like Matt Damon in the departed, you know, like, oh my. Yeah, but luckily, you know he just doesn't like run wild with it in it, it, it. It's believable, especially after you hear the real georgiana. But we opened with this Rolling Stone Shrek hear me knocking mean played over the process of seeing this fucking cocaine made. What did you think about this opening like at first because I was like, wow, that's really how they do it. Like I thought they'd just like like rub the leaf together until they turned into powder or something. I don't know. Well, I like I said already seen Nakas already knew like this is already included in does. That. Yeah. I do like the this is something that I like about these kinds of movies. I like this sort of the montage g storytelling. Yeah. Like that. Like you know, you know, if you throw it too many montages in there, it's going to get a little repetitive and it's going to get a little boring. But I, I like this stuff. Especially. Right. The Stott as frontloaded here. No, for sure that's like this movie. That's one thing it moves so incredibly fast like, like from the time, like I know what you were talking about earlier. It's like oh my God, where the fuck is Penelope Cruz. She's top Billiton and come in for an hour, but it's actually interesting because it's, it's literally like his live split right down the middle white right at the hour. Mark. She comes in the in the remnants, she's in there for the rest of the movie. So it's kind of interesting to see this life like literally split right in half. 'cause 'cause right around I think about the hour Mark is were yoga, like the, the, the, the weed shit kind of dries often esearch gone with Coker might be I think it's about like forty five minutes or so. But. But this this, holy surprise me. What, what are they making? Are they are they making coconut oil with the fuck is like, like watching this shit? I was like, oh, they must be making like oatmeal gross though, like cottage cheese. But we see this being made, while the men Loda men load coke up into the truck. One of them is our narrator course. George Young so many people George John because it's J. U. N G. Did you that? Yeah. Oh my God. Dude on listen to like an audio book on him today at work, and it's just like dinner. It's like that man's name was George Jong. I'm John really? Does he look to your Jay? Less town Hong God, dammit. No. It was just ridiculous dude. So like everything else is last as young as like why the fuck like you sound like a more and it had to be every single time that they were like George John grew up where George John grind. It's oh every time they had an opportunity as full name. This is so dumb. But do some research. Yeah, exactly. But we see them breaking into this shit. This is great a one hundred one hundred percent pure Colombian, cocaine ladies, gentlemen, disco ship purist. The driven snow. I've that's the same gets caught. Like I love the comes back. We'll it. It's crazy. How they front-load this right here because it's literally purist the driven snow. My name is George Jong federal it made number one nine two two five zero zero four. You're like, oh, okay. Well, I think I kind of know where this is going. Now spoiler alert. Right. Yeah. What, what did you think about them frontloading this at the beginning because now I mean, we're you were you thinking, like, okay, we'll the stories obviously end up with him in prison, or is it going to be something else? Well, there's this one of two could arise like either. He ends up prisoner obey ends up dead. So, like, I knew that, you know, we would get one of those two things I just didn't know which like it was a pleasant surprise. I was like, okay, so I guess, I guess they get sent to prison, then but yeah, I I like the front loading. I like the I also like narration. You wanna get into narration for a little bit because like a lot of people like narration and I we have talked about this on the podcasts. I just kinda remember which absurd I think narration is great if it's used. Well, like like spoonfeed me everything. But if it's used like this all good fellas his CENA, all, like wolf of all straight, it's funny because. Oldest Ray with Lucking months quasi movies. But. Unlike I like it. I really like narration to be honest, and it doesn't it doesn't get to. I've a bearing it doesn't get to increasing on the experience. I like it. What do you think? No, I don't have a problem with that at all. I think I think goodfellas is kind of the thing that debris, the mold on that American psychos another one. You know that has a great job of using near ration-. Yeah. I've never really understood the complaints about narration people talk about it being distracting and, and stuff. But I don't I don't have a problem with that at all. I mean, if it helps move our story long, especially when you're doing something like a bio pic. Kind of helps to have somebody who's just kind of like sweeping us along on this past filling us in, you know, just quickly one of the best uses of marriage of Evison in Ray wash it again, last night is vice the one about Dick Cheney right? Yeah. Yeah. The marriage in that in what they do with that is standing some of the best of saying. Yeah, I, I still need to see that. I saw us all Christian Bill. How are you getting? All your wait. He's like I've been eating a lot of pies, the first. Accent? Yeah. But no, I don't I don't have a problem with any kind of narration at all, especially when it's stuff like this imagine this. Imagine trying to goodfellas with no no rotation like. Yeah. There is TIMMY, two times refrain Klin that, you know, mobile blah, like name all these guys off, like that's fucking hilarious, speak. The killer hair took it that for you. That's just fucking hilarious. Yeah, yeah. And it wouldn't be the same without it. As far as as far back as I could remember always wanted to be a gangster. It's, it's funny. In this is well. Exactly. No. That's it's interesting. You really because it's like I like to I like to think that this is like Henry hill grew up in his did this. Yeah, let's get let's get to this, because this is the like speaking of r-. Rarely rarely at a like he's already here, right? Yeah. We see the beginning of Georgia's life growing up with the tuna in Massachusetts played by Ethan sup Lee, not as a child, actually, not eat suppllies action. But I love you though this was one of the one of the first things I saw him in. Did you ever see remember the titans Denzel Washington? I was going to bring up evolution. Have you have seen ever Lucien? Yeah. Or I mean, Merican history X. He's in that, too, like he's in a bunch of shit man in my role like he's he's, he's a good actor. But the name, turn just kept Ramana meal office. I do do. Andro. Yeah. We, we quickly see the relationship between George and his father's. We were strong, but money in the house is very tight. Georgia's mother is what did I write? Georgia's mother is a money, hungry fucking gold digger. There we go. So, yeah, I just kept thinking Kanye west ole time I was like, well, she's a gold digger. What does that make rarely ODA sitting there watching, like I can't say that on here, but? I was thinking. But do his fuck and mom. I hate this goddamn woman, man. She is file like a hates to this movie teaches you anything. It's like all the women in your life will betray. This is a cautionary. Right. Yeah. I mean his mom fucks him over his wife over as cheeses. I mean he's nine shining armor himself but still has a God damn. And I mean I, I can relate to this little bit. My mom is a lot more conservative, in, like chice church of Christ religious like real strict like they don't have music in church or anything. I'm not like that at all. If you really know me, so it's, it's very I, I can understand that. Sometimes like having shirt your parent, even my mom wouldn't find call the cops on me like cheese. Oh, yeah. Next level ship 'em. I'll we'll say that just plays Rachel Griffiths is fantastic in the role but Yemen like, like, the, the actual mother that she's portraying med. She is, she is vile also rental Griffiths from fucking Melvin. So they. Oh, okay. Yeah. This mom ties for shittiest mom of the year with the fighter with God, Melissa. Yeah. These women need to get together and have a fucking drink. But. Yeah. We see a I, I love the uses of quotes through this. I jotted down a few of these. Yeah. She thought she married a buffer class that promised to the stars. But he couldn't deliver. That's fucking great. That's a really good line. I love the state. He's not in front of the boy, all the boy, the boy, in this is exactly what we see later on with George talking to Murtha when she starts at. It's the same thing it's. You know the camera on the kid is the painter fighting. He says, hey, not in front of the front of the girl and Marta. Same thing. She's like I don't care. I you know, we're gonna fucking talk about this right now, as you can see this cycle of it happening all over again, takeoff, Faulk. That's. Yes, that's terrifying. Not breaking that cycles. Fucking like the scariest thing. Right. It's kind of, like I it's, it's, it's one one thing in foaming the other right. Like it's all it's all it'll hen hand. Right. Exactly. We also see this repeated cycle. Georgia's mother leaving coming back and just expected to be forgiven like every time if there's anybody in this, like, who's just totally like innocent bastard, all this. It's like Ray Liotta, unlike God, Dan, do like your wife. Is this piece of shit and your son's kind of a piece of shit work, fourteen hours a day for seven days a week and go bankrupt, by the way, what the fuck redoing if I worked fourteen hour days, seven days, a week right now? Like holy shit. Like, like what the fuck where you do a man like how the fuck did you go back? I guess, just living outside their means like dude. I, I mean, I know it's different time fuck if you're working fourteen hours a day and seven days a week. There's no way you should be fucking Brank, rob, like that's crazy. What about your double time? What about Foton holidays? 4._0._1._K pinch. In what's going on, dude, like? Like, like I like fourteen hours like doing what? Like right working minimum wage at McDonald's. Yeah. I was like, what are you are? You are people not able to pay, you rule money. So they pay you with, like Hinz, and chickens and eggs and shit. Monopoly money. Yeah. Is it like that kinda shit like, but we also I like this pattern of George's father, though, not holding people accountable, like he doesn't he, he doesn't really he really holds Georgia accountable. Why he definitely doesn't hold his mom account away every single time. She comes back. Oh, hey, there, your how you don't Boba like he's never he's kind of like Jerry from Rick and Morty kind of fly. He doesn't really stand up for himself and put a foot down. But at the same time, he's just this unbelievably, sweet, nice guy think he just kind of lets the people that he love, kind of, like walk all over, and I hate that. But it's would you start watching this guy? Never says anything like no, I'm not doing this fuck you bubble. Like he just always takes it. You know, because it's just for the for the greater good of the benefit of the of the relationship in its entirety. Good. The greater good. George's father finally files for bankruptcy this shit. You know, this go get some ice cream dad on one ice cream, you know, where to really be poor when you're up, it's never as good as it seems when you're down it seems like you're never gonna get back up again. Oh, that's fucking good, man. If that is that is. That's such a good description of, like when you're up on top of the world, and you're like, you know, like I felt like this was so much farther away than it really was. And it's like this is like, you know, I it's, it's funny to like the grass is greener on the other side kind of thing. But. Like this thing is just chops such of these little insanely like like wistful quotes, I love it. George says that he never wants to be poor. Then you won't be cut to nineteen sixty eight George tuna moved to California Georgia tuner quickly introduced department her flight flight suit as friends and they try pot for the first time. I love this smile. The Ashley thought this was. Oh, yeah. It's always a I, I actually thought before, like it said, Manhattan-based, California. I actually thought it was Miami because, you know, every fucking story takes place in Miami. And like every time you say Miami in film. It's always got that sort of like lot sort yellowish filter on it. Yeah. They're basically just in vice city from grand theft auto much. But. This, this soon as he smokes for the first time and he kinda likes jokes a little bit. Like I just I just thought about fucking shorty from scary movie, two tickets. Ticket to the head. The first thing I thought. When we first started I was going to be like says, oh, have have you ever tried cocaine before? And I knew you were going to say, no. And they'd be like your parents know you've never tried or your parents, you go came before you're like, yes, no fuck. Trick trick question may into Boston. But no, I this this, this shit is crazy. Just this time in place. It's are in because the, the color scheme, everything when they get the rich lot of yellows greens. Aren ges, his all everybody was independent. Everybody was liberated. They use words like far far Allen right on and they all had the same position physician. They're like. Oh, flight suits flight. Sewers. I love the one who points in the air. She's like, yeah. Up there. Know that you were a flight attendant on a fucking bus. I'm sorry. Not to mention that they're all fucking gorgeous. Right. Everyone of them, even with crazy like pointed nipple fucking sixties bathing oh. Oh, yeah. Gotta must be a what are your tits, like a poly gone. How fuck does it even fit in there? Jagged shape. Oh, and this is, you know, this, where we meet Barbara did I, I, I was like fantasy Janssen from X men, the first thing that I'm not a second. I was like, I totally see this chick being like X men or something. But her I have I have I have seen him before she's from, she's from the bowl trilogy like the first three two. Sorry. She gets killed in the second one spoiler alert, and she's colleague, run, Margo run. I remember that from something that's kind of a bigger movie came out, like ninety eight I think. But, but yeah, she's a German born actress, I don't have the her name, but she's like Franco Potenza. Thank you. But you can tell with her accent, sometimes I definitely fucking slips through but it's kind of sexy. You know, like I love that she's like, oh, yeah. I love it. He's like any more any more. She's like, I only have two suitcases and can't come back here every day. Unlike God, I love that kind of like mixed like accent shit. But just important to note that we need Barbara right here as well eventually tuna comes home with a bag of a Reagan and says he wants to sell pot. Barbara laugh says he can she says her guy Derek real played by Paul Reubens remember the last time we talked about Paul Reubens. Yeah. What was it was was in? Was it in the math madness? No, no, no Christine Christmas time all that man returns fuck it Batman returns. Yes. Shit. Yeah. Yeah. Remember saying pay ways not a big thing here. No, I'm not at all. I never watched a grown-up. I it was a little after sorry before. My time a little bit. But no, I don't like the first thing I ever saw was, like, I think this, this was like this day slayer or like Batman returns like some of the first things I ever saw him in. But what did you think about Derek for real in this movie? What a fucking Dayrit for real. Apparently, apparently, the real guys named wasn't Derek for real, though. It would it was I made to look it up. Yeah, he was. It was fine like his is low over the top. Okay. We get it. He's gay. It is in California, and he's very open about it. Like I. Well, it's, it's funny, actually because I read an article about the guy who who played the real white Derek for real, and he, he actually kind of faded into fury died kind of like, poorer in and Mexico. Richard burrito was his name. They said he was kind of, like pissed with the way that he was portrayed. He's like, he's we didn't fuck George out of his money because we agreed. We all thought he was fucking dumb, and he was going to get all of his fucking popped by. We didn't do it because we were greedy like we didn't care about any of that, like that point. We're making so much money it was beyond greed. We're like it wasn't anything about that. And he's like I definitely wasn't a gay hairstylist. He did. He did own restaurants nightclubs along with. I hear you know, hear studio but wasn't anything like to the extent that they play it off as but I don't I don't mind that so much because this is also the guy's name is completely changed. I think it's different. If it's like, oh, this is Richard burrito, in this is the way that he acted like we'll no, that's not act. But this, this is not Richard real. This is a totally different entity now. Yeah. Mind when movies do that. Like in these true stories sort of situations like they kind of like this isn't a complaint complaints had character. But sometimes you get a character is like an amalgamation of multiple people. I don't mind that if it says the story, a little better. Well, that's like Mike Myers, bohemian rhapsody. Yeah. With Ray porter Parker or something that he plays. Like that's not a real guy. But. This me, Paul Reubens tuna George meet with Derek and get to work selling love that shit. He's like, what does that that's Japan is like a little bit more than we had in mind while I'm not nickel a nickel on a diamond here. Do you want it or not, like that is, like, like, I, I have never I've never sold drugs ever been a drug kingpin never done anything. Crazy like that. Like I've, I have had some crazy times in my day, and I have definitely partied, some, but I have never seen the amount of marijuana. He pulls out into that bag. Oh, third. Holy good in mother like a forest, you can start a state forest. But that shit, dude. I was like, like holy fuck when he pulled up. I was like, do you. Do you have any idea how much money that bag would be worth today? If that were if that were filled with the best of the best of that, you would get today that bag would be like, like fuck in many where between. Seventy five hundred fifteen grand. I'm gonna guess, like eighty anywhere in between that like if you sell it at St. market values. Holy fuck. It's that's just every time I see that bag. I'm like, what the fuck? That's crazy. It's massive. Did have you actually? Have you seen howled in Kerma? I think the second one no. Oh my God. Because the potheads, right? Like, say. It's and he's just like fantasizing about this massive bag of way just having sex with him. It's hilarious. It's fucking it's, it's fuck it out there. But it's it's, it's just fucking hilarious. Just just how fastest movies I mean, we're, we're what we're fifteen minutes in. We're already we're already introduced basically Oliver cared. We know what the story is we know what's going on. I mean it just moves so fucking fast. Like for into two hour movie don't get me wrong, but they pack a fucking lifetime where the shit in here. So, yeah, they still we're still haven't met is d we haven't met dagga. No, no. That that doesn't happen for probably the above about two forty five minute Mark, like that's that's saying, like this second half of his life, literally comes in the second half. It's kind of interesting. Yeah. But like like this is to me were I wish sometimes I could just be like, and they lived happily ever after and George didn't push his luck the. Vice like Cape thinking of us because I saw literally last night. And there is a moment in that movie where it's like if, if Dick Cheney retied right, fucking nail and didn't pick this fine coal than this shit wouldn't have happened. And the movie makes you realize that like. Like I like talking about it, but it's relevant to what we're talking about Adam McKay is director of that. He did the other guys Talladega nights and shit that he is so meadow with that movie what he does with, with that movie is like Dick Cheney and like, you know, his wife walking around and shit. And like, you know, it could have been happily ever after, you know, we wouldn't have fucking like Iraq would never have invaded and shit like nothing would happen. What happens is like they fucking roll the credits, like, midway through the movie out of eight. It's just like like, oh, okay. The movie's done, and then it's like fine coal. And then it's just like oh shit. Like, you know, to main its economy have to say it, it's so at Mike. That's that reminded me of what exactly what you're talking about hit with with George jo-john before he got into that second bought of his life. No. Yeah. That's exactly like when I was just talking about I need to see that. He just looks insane in that movie. It's so great. Oh, yeah. So they get to work selling drugs on Manhattan beach, making money over fist amid a reputation for myself people even to call me Boston, George. What's that name has stuck forever? He is constantly commonly referred to as George all the interviews and stuff that I watched. It's at this point that we are introduced to an old friend Georges named duly back from home. This is where we get that whole like, I'm stoned bit in the fucking stoned. That whole thing this is one of those things where it's like look at the people that he surrounding himself with, and this clientele in this area of quote unquote, drug smuggling. You know, look, it's, it's just duly and tuna in Mexican guys in. That's it like then later on your fucking jump, and shit off entire islands. You're getting shot. You're getting people fucking threatening you manning. Publis c-a-b-a, right. Yeah. And it's just the esscalation is insane. And I think that this is a good time to, like mentally in this movie look around where you are because this, despite the fact that you wanna go bigger and better this, dude, if this were my life. Holy fuck what I would. I happy man. Like just living on the beach in California in the sixties. I like selling sellin. We'd like holy shit. That suck notice stewardesses all around you. Right. Exactly. But this like, it's just take a snapshot of this in your mind because this is about as good as it's gonna get. And it's crazy because you just that you can get so much better than this. But yeah, you'll even says, oh man, I, you know, I wish there was stuff like this back home. This grabbed George described. Georgia's describe George disc, grabs George's at interest, doesn't it? Yeah, he's he's in it now man. Like he's as you can say the wheel spinning in his head and everything. Oh, yeah. Gleich his soon, missing man. I wish our stuff like this back home. He's like. Like. He's a he's like a shark rd blood in the water. He talks the plan to have Barbara take a hundred pounds a week back to the east coast college towns willing to pay out the nose for their Mary, Jane. Holy fuck like what he's talking to him about, like five or six hundred dollars an ounce, I think or something like that. He said are pound that that's absolutely insane. Like now that would be like twenty five to thirty five hundred dollars. I love this montage, like you're talking about the I need more montage of duly. He's like, more more and eat more. This is fucking great. You know, and like she says, you know what are you spec to do? I can't fly back here every day, you know, can only carry two bags, we'll toward tell George, George will think of something. The crew retreat to a cabin to celebrate encounter money after successful hall, Georgia's still unsatisfied wanting to cut out the middleman. They're like, man, we made two hundred forty grand. It's not enough. Really, really? It's not enough for what? That's what is it? That's that's breaking bad. What is it not enough? For what are you trying to buy, God, you come up his two hundred forty thousand few come up and put two hundred and forty dollars in my hand right now. Hey, I'm feeling pretty good about myself. It, it, it reminds me very much breaking bad. Like in that without spoil is. He starts off with the best intentions, and it's like, once you start saying the money like starting to role in inciting to realize just how big you can go like, you know, like there's no one to stop you. There's no one. There's no one who even looking into you. Like you, you can do this pretty much unfeted. Like that. That's going to pretty much trigger something in your mind. Just like this kind of this clinic complex that you're just like, oh, well, I'm on top of the world. So. I'm gonna keep going to be honest. It's just it's just the it's just the price of ambition. Right. And it's like why stop a good thing. You know, but they were they were retreat his cabinet counting their money. And he has to speak Spanish, the these, can you can you speak Spanish? Oh man. Like there's a couple of people that I work with that English is their second language. They're like straight couple over for el-salvador couple of people from Mexico. So all the time at work. I'm like complicity say asshole. You know I'm like, how do you say this? Like like Edham constant coming up and ask them how to say stuff, and now I can tell my Spanish is getting better. Some reading the subtitles. And I'm like, Hannah that fucking word. I'm like, I know that oh. Oh, he who they put us all she called him son of a bitch fucking. No that one. I know a lot of the curse words. I don't know about. I don't know how to conjugate stuff. That's my problem. Dueling go though. That's a good app for actually learning. Second languages had that for a while on Spanish, but I've always wanted to learn Spanish, it's a fucking awesome languages. So much like simpler than English. But it fucks me out, like if you say, like, like a red car, you know, to us we'd be like a red car. Aero ho karo, but to them, it's Elkana Rojo like you say a car read. It's fucking weird. Yeah. When Leto in like, Penelope, Cruz is like going off in Spanish, I'm just like, man, this, this seems like a hod language to grasp, like she's just firing shit out of a mouth. And I'm just like fuck, right. Because later on, I was like she's speaking Portuguese. 'cause I he says, you know, Muccio Guzzo which is like it's nice to meet you. And she, she says a day which is like a likewise. But I think it's likewise in. Sorry. Just fucking set it Portuguese. I don't know if it's likewise. It's I'm not sure either way. So Georgia to screw in making their way to Puerto Vallarta Mexico in nineteen sixty nine to find some Malta wondering the streets, and asking complete strangers where to find pot. Jesus credit shoot. You aren't thought. I thought like I feel like fuck. I feel like we have a little delay calms, but does matter. I thought one of these guys was fucking. Denny try. Like that. Exactly like daddy. Cost. Any dre is in this movie. Yeah. Yeah. The guy who comes up to him at the end. He's icon. Mr. George kid. I kept I kept expecting to see fucking Dany trailer, pop up somewhere. There's no way you tell me these two fucking pretty boys. You can't you got tuna on George walking around with all these stewardesses. Go try that shit. Mexico today dude, you come up with your fucking head on a platter like like this shit on in Mexico now, like there was all this shit like a few years ago, with L Barbie, who is like a like a Texas high school football player who just fucking tried to take over the drug market in Mexico and ended up actually taking a huge bite of it, and shit like they call him L Barbie, 'cause he was like a pretty boy and shit, dude. Not only would they fuck all of these women. They would Faulk all of these men, especially Johnny deaf. I'm like, oh my God. Doc Mexico, and especially like Tijuana, schilling should scary them exit. I've always wanted to go. But like my my work. The my friends at work who were from there. Like I now know there's a reason we live here. Okay. Cool. I believe I believe, but then if we can, they're made in Mexico, eventually Georgia's approach by man who introduces himself introduces him to send Chas, who's the farmer marijuana farmer who then supplies, George. This scene is fucking great Remmel tells me you're looking for some Mota God. There's something just to Spanish language Mata like I love. I love their words for stuff man. It's great, which actually we had to take four languages when we were in high school in, like people were taking French. And it's like, yeah, you know, because in Tennessee, we have that overly large French demographic, you know. You know. Were so close to the French border. Did you think that's the way it to Lynn talion? That's yeah. Because you, you're you rattled awesome. Italian show went as scared the hell out of me in here. I thought you were finding. That's your. On you. But this guy who plays Sanchez he has been in a lot of shit, dude. Like, did you did you break ignites him from anything? I want. Hey did look familiar but I didn't look them up. What's he from? His name is Tony Tony. I'm Dollah I think. He's in zero Stargate Annabel while he's in shit. Shipton stuff. Yeah. I, I recognize him now from Annabel. He was just in the course of law. Euro europa. I definitely remember from that. So if you have to show, it, it isn't a lot of once upon a time Cowboys, just cause four shooter like he's an castle Vania terminate Terminator, Sircar, mccarter goals, hell, yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. New girl called it black ops three. Holy shit. He's in a lot of stuff dude. But I I've always seen him in a in a shift on a south. I, I was like, is this James almost from blade runner for like two seconds? Pulls out the. Yeah, I, but I, I love the way this guy talks you kinda reminds me Mandy patinkin from Princess bride. You know, the Neo McCoy from homeland. Yeah. Yeah. But, but he's he's phenomenal. He's actually, one of my favorite parts of movie and he's such a bit part. He has to speaking lines is hardly anything. He's like, all right. So what do we do? You know I gotta play. He's known enough. I you take a little, then you come back. Louder need a little. I need a lot. Like that is like. Bolaise right. Yeah. You know, and he says, you know. Alameda, SA esta loco, blah, blah, blah. He said, Migo Migo, ONA memento. Let's say I come back in a week. I bring you fifty thousand dollars. Does that alleviate some concerns amigo, you bring me fifty thousand dollars concerns? That's fucking great. So they end up they end up making the seal. They're still in the plane this'll the plane, the take off through the desert. And so, I guess we don't even get any video of them like Eddie scenes of them selling this. We'd they just get the plane boom, they come right back and it's fucking soul. When you really need to see that, you know, we can skip right to we know what they're doing to see them. Yeah. It's like literally will wait. It just cuts. Right back to them. Right. Nas inefficient. Right. Exactly. I love they pull up to Sanchez and he's Cobb road. He's, I remember that fifty thousand dollars promise. You. I couldn't get it. He's like I like. He's like seventy five instead. Odd. So fucking awesome, dude. Actually, I've actually done that before I've, I've been I was I was. I was paying for something I think I was paying off tattoo, or something. And the guy was came in, if you can come by and a five hundred dollar income. I pay like two fifty off. All right. Cool so showed up and, and you hear that to fifty I couldn't get it. Would you get three fifty? Instead he's like you motherfucker. Use it on some people for fucking love that. That's, that's so cool. Well, I, I haven't because I pay my debts. I oh, mini Mexican drug dealers the shot of them all in the RV. Is he comes flying in the tune of the desert another way, they're actually do this, in case you're curious? They stole this single single engine says. No. And they flow it, they flew just low enough under radar to they wouldn't get picked up. That's the that were whether even able to do it. That's why they're so close to the ground they complying over. But, but yeah, this they begin start making regular runs between California and Mexico and buy a house in nocco buco in nineteen seventy. It was a great time in our lives seven of us were like a family. We work hard we play hard and we didn't have a care in the world. It was perfect. This house is fucking awesome. Dude, like holy shit. This, this whole thing again, like this whole color, palette everything's bright. There's almost no night shots. There's almost none of them like nothing everything always takes place in the day. It's sunny. It's beautiful. This is the way a lot of that a lot of like a lot of that country was before the coca for the cocaine wars happen. I love this just this building of their lives, its whole montage them, throwing Derek for real in the pool, and everybody just, you know, fucking drinking, tequila and shed. It's like did I have had days like this in a French backyard? And it's like this for your life every day. Oh my God. I can't imagine why this would become so addictive. But we see this dinner which or parents, we see that little has changed between his parents, and this is the first warning. I anything that was a barbs health. You know, not only that we also seen indication that, Georgia's dad is starting to kind of get an inkling something is going on with George. You know what I mean, he kind of he kinda search harder magin affording that on our construction salary? But I, I love just that. Whole thing you can write in the right in his whole scene. You can split his parents perfectly out, what is it to carry tow? It's gotta be to care, so it's definitely to cares treasurer Darlie Georgia. When it get that insured and I love that his dad's, I, I'm just happy Georgia's found somebody that cares for yes. But I'm talking about the ring. I'm like, oh, shut the fuck up like shot divvy, hop, man favorite take take that ring off Jimi down her cock sucker till she stops talking. I cannot fucking stand this, that's kind of the point like they Vilnai's his mom, like crazy to the point. I don't really think that she's like that. But any woman who to call the cops around like that. I'm like, well, I'm not enough. Fuck you. I don't mind this. Yeah. They're only fucking kid, goddamn. But what did you think about this whole plot point with barbed health? Yeah, it was really sad. Like I was just like man, I bet you, she can't. As soon as the blood is just like on. On. Yeah. I mean, like because I knew that Penelope was going to be his wife. Like I, I was like, I knew we had to lose a like going into the movie like already knew that. So I was just like okay so eventually, she's either going to be a dead. Obey just out of the Texas. She's going to she's not going to be on board with the with the marijuana stuff, and she's just gonna lays. So, yeah. I like it's really sad. Like especially this, same, when they go out to the car, and they have this little moment, I think, I think Franco, Frank Potenza and, and Johnny Depp has a little bit more chemistry than Penelope and Johnny Depp, which is would know for sure. And I think that's totally gentle because when we're seeing them together. It's this crazy, like, like she's just like this perfect, like dream girl. I guess at that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. She's got these like this brilliant accent, these like. Really thick like dark is. Like she almost has like a meal Jovovich vibe tour, like in a way, I can totally see for being legal Dallas multi pass. But I yeah, the, the especially just the contrast between her and Antonelli cruises is just insane. When you really put them time by side. But. Sorry I lost my spot here. Oh, yes. So she ends up having the nosebleed. I, I don't I liked the subplot. I do the only problem is this is the first inclination that we had anything of it, and in two minutes, she's going to be dead. Very man. That's kind of like I actually would have preferred if like earlier on 'cause she's been in the movie since the first five minutes, you know, we're, we're at the fucking like thirty minute marks dude. You've had plenty of time Addis twenty-second conversation in where she's on having a headache. I don't wanna go outside today. I'm not feeling well whether sitting around in the bathrooms. In tuna shows up, you know, that would have been a great time to slice onto. Hey, I'm gonna go down to the beach. She's like, I'm not feeling good. You know, are you having one of your headaches or something like that, I would have been fine with, but there was like nothing there, you know, very, very sudden dude, it's just like, oh, okay. I guess we're doing this, right. Yeah. Well, I guess you have to die. Now. But this conversation between the two of the tell me about this fucking conversation. Yeah. Like they can Conatel she's going to die from this conversation is it's too. It's too sweet. Do you not like like you know when when you watching TV show and just before cactus dies, like at this really nice and sweet moment with the person that they care about. And then, like the next step aside or even like just a little bit lighter. They, they, they, they die. Yeah. That's what it felt like like because like. George apologizes about his parents says, that's not that's not really the. Yeah. And then she's just like, look, they're not that bad, blah. Oh, blah. I it seems to sweet. That's what I'm saying. Like, you know, I'm raiding the signposts already. Especially when. Excuse me. Especially when she's he's like, just promise me, we're not gonna ever ended up enough like that we're going to end up like us. That's a good line that really is. It's, that's so it's just simple in the street to the point. It's honest. That's, that's the best thing you can ask out of a script is just like we're just going to be us. We're just gonna be whatever happens. I love that. But unfortunately, George is interested in Chicago in nineteen seventy two six hundred sixty pounds of grass you and high combined with like half of Danny and fucking marijuana. Like holy shit our like your fucking body weight. Like that's one thing that's craziest George Young said, it's one point, we were so rich we stopped counting cash, and we started weighing it. He said, I can tell you that a million dollars weighs twenty point three pounds like holy shit by like the fact that you that the fact that you even just know that off the top of your head. He's like 'cause the system like that later on is, oh, it's if it's fifty fifty five pounds. In. It's two point five had sixty that it's three million. It's like what the fuck like that's so rich. You literally measure it in, in wait. Like he would have fucking like a baby or something. Holy hell. But Georgia's resume was sixty miles of marijuana. This judge and all this shit. You know at songs he's referencing here. I didn't know I had to goal. These are these are two Bob Dylan songs. I actually I'm not gonna lie. I don't really like Bob Dylan to be on the summit Choubey dead for that. But I like a lot of older music, and I could just never get at a Bob Dylan. I just his his voice in the whole thing. I just. I just really can't get into it. But this whole the watchmen opening. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah, that's about it or tangled up in blue. I do like that. But he put my notes after trying to Bob Dylan his way out of jail time. He is sentenced to five years of which he will serve to this whole thing is fucking right? He's like, really, I think it's logical, and I think it's unjust since Meads prison times. Groomer really what'd I do? I crossed an imaginary line with a bunch of plans. He's like a you know, you say you say he wants somebody who's some of these, you say you want somebody who's strong never week to bring you flowers when you're something like eight me babe I'm like dude, you could see the Jack Sparrow starting to us out. I'm like, okay, I can see this dude. I can see the foundations for Jack Sparrow character coming out here. This judge her her delivery is great. She's like how your Lhasa fees really interesting. She cracked me up. On you. It was going it was going south like I was like. She's going with the sarcasm route will him him slouching it'd be like managers the court. She's like to stand up. I I'm like dude, get up. Do you know how much I lawyer will be rained out if they fucking slash like that? Like if they don't stand while the dress, the fucking judge like though be killed. Oh, dude. Yeah. I mean, that's half the battle of the fucking like respect with the judge and making sure everything making sure everything gets said that needs to be said fortunately for you, the lunch across were real in the plans, as you brought were legal. So you're is twenty thousand dollars. I was like holy shit. What's actually, your Bill twenty thousand dollars? If you go to Bill bondsman, you pay ten percent of that it's like to grant, okay? I think this guy could probably shit to grand right now. 'cause you're. And this is where we get the scene between him and barb. I love this. This is the first note. This is the first time we ever see the two of them like really out at night like it like they're on the street. It's cold. It's been snowing. It's not sunny. It's not Caputo. It's not a pool day like it. It's the total shift in tone. There's there's he's got the dark coat on, she's got the hat, like in the for everything's really, I don't know. It's, it's, it's, it's very, it's very dark, it feels very cold and all of its fucking. You know, in this scene just breaks my heart. I mean her just being, you know, him saying, I got five years, I'll get out, too. Well, I you know, I can't wait two years and he's like what the fuck, you're not gonna wait for me. I don't have two years, like, oh man in the look on his face is just like what like he. So what the fuck because like I mean just. Right. And, and I think that we kind of get put into that vote at the same time Sherlock way she's fucking dying. She was a nose bleed, you know, as I'm saying this, this could use a little bit more build up, but I'm okay with it, because it is just like a gut punch, and she's so lovable is a character. She's like I don't we don't get a whole lot of screen time with her about the screen time that we do, get, I was like genuinely bummed out when she dies because it's like the end of an era, it feels like. But I love I do have a track for you. Row. Quick this track plays when she's dying arrest, which she's dying. She's. She has. She tells him she's she. She takes a loss breath. But now I got track for your okay? Hold on. Kidding. Two years. It's super cool. It's super faint, and it's real acquaint even but it's, it's, it's this real slow small sad sounding ATar, and I will tell you, I'll tell you how it was like I couldn't even hear it. So. So everyone in fuck it after post production of this episode. We'll be able to hear it. I'm just going to be like, oh, yeah, that was awesome. It sounds, so it sounds so great. It almost has, like, have you ever heard Jeff Buckley's cover of Hallelujah? Yeah. I have wasn't it in a movie. It's actually it's it's been a couple of medicine. It's at the Lord. It's at the end of Lord awar- would nNcholas cage. Okay. Yeah, I've definitely had a I'm actually a big Jeff Buckley fan if I can love that guy. But it reminds me of that, this, like slow quiet, picking kind of sound. He's got his it's fucking fantastic. But I love the scene is kind of like embracing and he's like him looking at her being just like totally destroyed. But she's she has to look like Sarran deputy. Like she's just accepted it, she's like this is the way it is. She's like this is just how it is. And I think that's I think that's something that's so easy to go by when you look at it. It's like this, this is like this is where George should he should accept the future. And he should just say okay, well, this is, you know, this is the time that I stopped this era of my life is over with, you know, but, like, just as she has she's accepted this, but I- George hasn't Georgia just like you know, I'm going to go, and I'm going to do bigger and better things in this will seem like peanuts. What I'm doing. It's like dude. Just accept. What you have just accepted. And I think that's interesting to know because his refusal to accept that is kind of what leads him wanting more and more eventually his downfall. But, but yeah, barb dis they all kind of scattered the all kind of scattered to the four winds tuna. Stays in Mexico. Nobody knows what happens to him the whole game just kinda scattered up. George Gipps bales helped to care of her. And he goes on the run that is one thing that I was like in, in real life, this woman, I don't take ever existed. He just get bail and immediately got on a plane did another run as soon as he got out of jail, like literally and it's like, but in the movie, they kind of have to be like, oh, he's a nice guy. He did it because she's dying. It's like no, you did it because you like they said, he just loved the thrill like he wanted to piss off cots shit. Dude. You don't have like I like the storyline with bar, but she don't have to do that, like I'm still cool with him, just being kinda dumb. Hats. Yeah. That was. It's kind of, like one of those, those movies, man, like, especially the came around like during this era, like we have to show them to this kind of, like hero or the fuck in audience might be able to connect with him and shit. Whereas like you know movies, like wolf volts rate that Jordan Belfort, as in God who actually punches Maga Roby in the stomach, like, like I it's a little more. It's a little more. I guess truth foam there is also like there's always as kind of like these biography films, where they do put a little bit more of a positive slant on the characters of they're trying to shy. It's a bit unfortunate. But what can you do? Right. Yeah, exactly. This is this is kind of my problem with bohemian rhapsody much as I love it. I'm like, dude, you PG thirteen a hard life, by the way. Have you seen black mass? No. I haven't so that's, that's the movie starring also Johnny Depp, probably one of his better roles man, like he's, he plays Wadi bulge, like, the, the fucking gangsta from Boston, and that, that shit like, hey, is really good in that, like that, just that this reminded me a lot of that because a bio, Phebe Boston. So I was just like man like he's when he when he turns on the acting fucking tap, like Hayes, solid, man. Oh, absolutely. But sorry, my fucking oh you hear you. George runs out on pale. He goes to see his parents help take care of goes on the run. He visits appears for the first time in a year inches drink with his dad before the police arrived. Suddenly Georgia's mother admits to calling the cops herself and tells George he needs to straighten his life out. Thanks, mom. Hair like this and a face like Johnny Depp. I get fucking. Ask fuck to death in prison. Dudes like these stupid bitch. You have no fucking idea what you sentence me to like. Oh, yeah. I'm not gonna have to worry about selling drugs when I can't walk straight when I get outta here. Thanks, mom. Have in bloody ring around moss. Ho. Yeah. Like holy shit. Like you have no idea that somebody who has no idea of the prison system. What that does to be full? He fucking dumb ass. We also get this, this stuff between him and his dad, I love this. You know, you're mad at me aren't you know, I just don't want the hell you do. You know, I mean, goddamn cops react reactor you I this stuff so great. I love this, this whole thing may the what, what does he say this, this toast that they have. I think they also do it at the end. It's it is so insanely like it's such a mouthful that I'm like, dude. Nobody actually says that. But before they go to drink. It's like it's a goddamn like it's made the wind always be at your back and the sun upon your face. It may the winds destiny carry you aloft to dance with the stars. I mean, this beautifully written. But I'm like dude, that is such a mouthful like even the God injuring. But I just want to drink alcohol, right? Yeah. Whatever they're drinking looks good. Sorry, I've had, like so much nasal chest congestion, still dude is can pissing me off. I'll just ashamed doing coke, it's all right. I thought it was certainly. So hey guys. We got a great episode tonight. Like just be fucking. I love their hauling off George in his mom looks at the neighbor. What are you look at MRs grazie? No price. That's fucking good line. Love. I wouldn't be surprised that improvise. Like that's fucking hilarious. George is housed in the federal Correctional Institute at Danbury Connecticut, where he meets a cell may DA, go Gado. Do you know what we actually know we talked with this off air. Tell the good people at home, who this actually is Ohio, sir day Delgada is actually the suit, the movie pseudonym full. Khalas. Enrica Lleida rebus, sir. He was a big time playoff for the medi Inkatel, actually. Hey, man. What did what didn't he do kidnapping drug trafficking? Eventually, it was sentenced to life in not in eighty seven plus one hundred and thirty five years. So they go just for good measure. This just good measures side to make sure that he's actually dead when he's fucking but. No. So the first time this wasn't the first time I've actually come across. Ravers in film, like he was actually not Z pled massive Baden in two. So, yeah, like this, this was because he asked me about him, you'll like elect, you'll like Carlos Lleida, and I was like, I don't know. Call us Lleida Carlos later rave is because like that is his name, obviously, in this movie and guys, they refer to him as rave is so yeah, I was just like damn the is a. In, in knock as portrayed to be a bit more of a hot and fucking criminal. Whereas in this little, he's a little softer like I don't get the I don't know. Like what do you think about ravens in this? I I'm not a lie. As a whole. He's actually one of my favorite parts is movie. The this actor. I agree. He does such a fucking phenomenal job. He crushes it as the Gado Jordan, Malia Yati yet. Jodi Jodi, yo yo Di Mola. I've seen him as well. Yeah, he was in bad boys two as the villain. Okay. Yeah. He is fucking absolutely, so's. Cliff Curtis probable Escobar. But I, I fucking loved him in this movie he is eccentric. He's not. He doesn't seem like a violent psychopath. You know, he's not murdering people just for no good reason or anything like that. What's, what's actually interesting is his the guy who's with him, his friend Cesar Arosa the guy who's, who's close will be in the suitcase coz like that guy that guy seems like the Carlos later. He seems like this crazy Kan jam, my thumbs into your eyes Murdy right here, like kinda shit like that guy. Legitimately creeps me out, but with Carlos later, like there's nothing about the Gado that really makes me feel like he's this crazy. Intimidating kind of crime boss. He's kind of like fucking dumb ass. He gets caught for stealing cars stupid shit. Like what the fuck awesome real-life using fucking Nazi. Did you know that, that, that they were affiliated with, like Nazi party shit? Like his parents were. Are like Neo Nazi, like, apparently, they were really influenced by the Nazis escaping to Argentina after World War Two and stuff like there was influence. I'm writing now laid off ounded a Neo Nazi political party. The national Levin movement, whose main function police said appeared to be full sorry appeared to be to force Columbia to abrogate its extradition treaty with the United States. Damn right. Yeah. Crazy shit. To the point where he even when they were going to extradite Carlos later. He was like, I'll pay off the nation's debt. If you just leave me where I am. And they're like, no, we have to send you off, like dude dude was going to pay the entire debt off he and Escobar tried to do that. Both. They were like no. We won't accept your money. And it's God. Dan? Dude. But, but yeah, that, that's all that I really don't from is this movie idol. I haven't watched any of narcos. I know that like this, this whole thing with Carlos later, you know, I know they, they act like he cut George Al for the greed part of it. But apparently, basically, what was going to happen was Carlos was at the end of his rope. And he was going to start snitching. Everybody out, George Pablo. All these people he was gonna search niching out in George heard about, and he was like fuck that he's like, you know, kind of like one to hit the button first before he does. And because of that George Young served a twenty year prison sentence instead of sixty because he testified against Carlos later. I'm like fuck. Yeah. I did on the same thing dude. Fuck that guy. Like fuck you out all your shit. Yeah. Yeah. But oh yeah. This is where, you know, they I be the to quit Yego finding out Georges infra, smuggling hundred sixty pounds pot into the states Diego tolls George he failed because he had the wrong dream estim- what you know about cocaine. I love this. We have teaching the class. You don't know dick about smuggling, no drugs that dude in I love how every guy in the classroom is fucking black. I was like dude, really like God. But he that's exactly what it he's like these people even if you're in for life, you can still smuggled drugs like you can still make fan on the outside, and get money since you in prison. He's like it was real easy. Holy shit. We get this whole thing with him saying he's murdered somebody in. That's why he's in prison. Oh, twenty four months from earlier. I must meet your lawyer like this, this shit's fucking good. I love he's like George George. Have you ever had a dream? He's like I would if I could get some fucking sleep. Oh, the fucking hilarious between them. But yeah, asked him what he knows about cocaine over the major of their sentences Yego educates, George on cocaine and George educates, Yego transporting, I walked into Danbury with a bachelor of marijuana and came out with a doctorate and cocaine. Oh, that's bad ass, dude. That's fucking bad. Love it. Georgia's released and immediately flies to media go and Ceasar Rosa and Columbia, breaking his parole. They graded they agree to one run for fifteen kilos sign of good faith, and then things get heated between Caesar George. Yeah. This guy Cesar Roza. This is the guy that fuck it scares the shit out of me like this guy kinda terrifies me like there's something about the way that he looks like this guy. Looks like a great white shark like each just this black on, like just unpenetrable just fucking non wait. Non wavering is just like excuse me, staring, like fucking right? Indio like, oh my God. What do you think about George getting out of jail? Literally says, hey the champagnes cold, he's like, yeah, we need you to Columbia, like, okay wild wild. Yeah. It's just like what the fuck like this is all escalating. So quick, by the way, like literally, not even like ten minutes ago. Movie time he was in prison. We're not even an hour into this movie yet, we're not even an hour. He's already gone from, from boy to college to pot to Barbara being dead to jail cocaine to meeting, Pablo in like an hour as a God. Dan, this movie moves fast, but, you know, it's amazing is none of the stuff at the beginning feels like super rush, except for barbs death. That's the only thing that seems like super-duper rush. Like, we got the information that we needed what's testament to this movie and what I think is getting overlooked is the like how amazing their friendship and everything feels in Mexico, like dude, wouldn't I'd love to hang out those people and fucking drink with them. Hang out. We'll side. Like they seem like they're having so much fun. And I think that's just kind of like the appeal about it as Saint goodfellas like, oh, you get these fancy tables in, you know, people are bringing bottles of champagne and, you know, you're getting all this money, but, you know, it's, it's always Lipper slope. Right. It's, it's the it's the it's the eyes of this naked, pull you in the tail were. Apps round your legs. Yeah. Not paying attention to it. Dang ambitions. The dangers of wanting to base something. Yeah. Fischel right. The dangers of to be something at all costs rive, like just willing to sacrifice anything to do this. I love this getting heated between George and Caesar he's, I can who's close close and just so quiet. And he's looking back what town down here to you. Call me down here to talk about fucking close. And like I said they go in there to this run through the local local Logan International Airport with fifteen. I love him going through the airport security. He's like these your close. He's, I guess, are and these is, he's got the underwears old habits die hard. I'm like, okay. So are you saying, are you saying you're across rusher or that you think? Was because I think that's an old school mentality of being a girl and then take a pair of pain eases a trophy, and I was like, well, maybe that's it. But was like, but maybe that's why the guys just like fuck it. You can go. I'm not going to sit here in this fucking cross wrestler, by the way. Conga poss-, mutton, chops wolverine Johnny Depp. I know. Dude. And like you, you're coming from Columbia for one day with your Ted Nugent, fucking look like that's a bad look man. Like like you're kind of San Lucas sore. Thumb also men like talk about way, pray non eleven airport. Security. Oh my God. Like they're just like, like, hi, sir. But you like a gun to carry on the plane like yeah, thank you. I love this quote here when you're carrying drugs across the border, the ideas to remain calm. Just that first line, the way, I do it is, to think of something pleasant fun party, a moment of triumph, even a sexual encounter, I actually project myself to that place, a little transcendental meditation. If you will the trick is to imagine every little detail anything to keep your mind off the fact that you're going to jail for a very long time if they find the fifteen kilos blow in your suitcase. Oh fuck. That's scary Prussia. Yeah. I tell you a story real quick. When I when my younger days, I was probably eighteen nineteen. I actually was, I was, I was, you know, buying some weed was younger, and I'm on, on, binds we I go and get it. I'm about a mile away from where I'm going, I get pulled over by the cops. No. And I just I it was my, my tags have expired. They took my ID. They took this gave gave it right back to me. And we're like all right. Cool. You're gonna go just get your life's to get your tax and care of, like, yes, sir. They just like let me go. That's fucking terrifying. Dude, just just in my younger days, and like, oh, I've got some fucking crazy stories some that I can't tell on air. But I drunk. Yeah, one day as a bonus app when we launch membership. But jerk successfully makes his drop in plans move ahead for another job this time with a private pilot God, damn this shit with the pilot is where do the just goes a whole other level down? Like we are descending like crazy. This whole thing of, you know, I'm going to refuel in the Bahamas, and then we'll come back. Everybody's making what a million apiece. God, the pilot being like no, I want to, and he's like, come on Jack. That's such a great ring. No. You guys are just sitting on your ass where you're making money, you know, on the one taking all the risk, I want to these, like we need pictures of your kids. He's at what he's like we need pictures of your kids we go to school. We're I'd love goal. Love Cesar Roza writers, like we are trusting you with millions of dollars. Mr. coca coca Mr Stevens there without your kids. There is no deal and just that guy barely hesitates. He's he's, he's about to right? And I'm like, what the fuck man not to mention fucking Diego heating, the fuck out of his wife like when she went to start arguing holy fuck. That's awkward. No, another, Dan Columbia. Yeah, I guess, so. I don't like the line as he's leaving. He's like Mr Stevens. Don't forget the pictures. It's like yeah. You know what we literally just had this conversation. I don't think. I forget like God damn now that I'm not forgetting this encounter anytime soon. Right. I wish she had just said something else. I go Mr.. Stevens bring us picture of your wife, too. Oh brings add something to it. Don't say the thing, the literally just said that. No that that's always bothered me. There's room, right there for really good line or honestly, it's fine if he just walked out of the room. It's even more ominously leave the conversation without some big bad ass one liner. But yet, Diego s George to pick up one hundred ten pounds of cocaine for him. I love this favor from you. He psych the favor go and pick up two kilos of cocaine is like he's like, not exactly small favor. It's not like bum. A cigarette is like his befuddled. What else was? I do. It's not like I was on parole or anything he's just walking walking there and picking it up. I'm like dude, get fucking car. Well, what are you crazy, but, oh, and this is in Miami Beach, Florida, too, by the way, so he's traveling all like I soon flying across this across the country to do this, because they're in California, the whole time. But this whole thing with this guy fucking seven the gun in his mouth. And you know, it's like oh, you're George. Well, that explains everything open, your mouth, Georges, I get fought, like dude, you have some balls to tell these dude to go fuck themselves having a four. I think that's a forty five I don't know not go guns, Crame in the fucking barrel of a forty five near mouth and being, like, hey, you tilled Yego that I don't appreciate him making me sit on how long they say they have it. Sit on it for three weeks till George said he wants his money by the he wants his money by Friday. Dude. Like that's a lot just happen to actually have them. I'm not sure is, it's kind of hard to separate fact from fiction and a lot of this stuff because it's there, the there's like, what George Young says, there's what the guy who's the book that he wrote about your junk says, there's just kind of airing account as well, especially with the successive stuff like narcos and shit like that. Like it just kind of like. Mike Mike muddles things up even more, I guess. But while at home, George gets a call from Yego, who says that he is in jail in Mexico, and he will he will have to sell the to Hilo on his own. That's fucking terrifying. Dudes never sold cocaine in his life, except for this one thing they've done. Well, I guess I'm gonna hit up fucking Derek real so yeah. Three days later. George meets backup with Derek real who helps himself one hundred ten pounds in thirty six fucking hours fog and I don't wanna go past this whole scene with them, you know, pure Koke Mel about one hundred and eighty five hundred ninety degrees. Do you know who this guy is the guy? And a lot of. S. Bob cat gold ways. Oh shit. I you serious. Are you? Dude. Yeah. Because I love that. He's like one thirty one forty fuck me running one fifty one hundred sixty one hundred set like he's fucking going. Crazy shit is cut calls. We'll culture fuck. Yeah. Super random, Johnny Depp, Paul Reubens, Abbad cat go away all standard around doing blow. But this this frame ahead. Yeah. I know I've, I've heard, I've heard this quoted so many times after he snorts. He's I can feel my face. I mean like I could I fucked it, but I can't do that is Phil. Yeah. I've heard that quoted so any fucking times this whole conversation between them great. And he's like a is like, well, what do you think? He's like I mean it's great. But what am I supposed to do with George fuck and sell it? He's like, George. I haven't seen you in two years and you show up at my door the hundred ten pounds of fucking blow. Oh, that's a good point. But they end up selling it fucking thirty six hours. I think deeply underestimated the market. Well, it's going to take longer to count. It did to sell it. George flies down to Miami for the drop off and his taken on the plane to Medine to meet with Pablo Escobar their day, discuss the logistics of running cocaine to America and the headache of Diego's arrests for Pablo George refuses to work without him though. And soon, a deal is made holy shit. This whole shit. Talked cliff head is Clifton says, Pablo, I okay, look, I let cliff Curtis. Everything that is being in always blamed like, yes, man. This Olsen fucking training day. For example, man, get your shit pushed him. I Hazel some. I like him. I like him a lot. I didn't know that he was from fucking, New Zealand, which is wild. Oh, wow. No, his Kaley. So it was really difficult for me to watch someone else other than walking Amora, play Pablo Escobar because off to knock is man dislike. I it's tough, it's, it's really tough. But I think he does a good job. Like, hey does the. He does the sort of like friendly yet. Authoritative yet fucking. Dan, rod horrifyingly, scary mix of Pablo Escobar really well in this in his one saying that he has. Yeah, I especially love when he's like, when any what he's talking to George and he's like, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, this whole thing with, with the go in the cars as a problem, and he points to the guy he shot. It's like I don't like problems. He's like, no, I understand. But he's, he's just so charming, you know, he comes across as dislike this tall confident just force of nature. And I I love that just seeing him cross the field shoots that guy in the fucking head like it's nothing. They said this is absolutely hundred percent. True. I was an interview, George Young where George Young will not talk about two things in interviews. I watched about thirty interviews with him getting ready for this, and they said that he will not talk about the violence at all. Like somebody asked him to like they're like, how who what has changed you in the violence that you've seen? He's I I don't wanna talk about that. He's like the only thing I'll say is like the scene of him in blow where he walked up. Shoots the guy in the head and just hands. The gun off was it was even worse brew life. Because Pablo literally was like a hold on just a second, George and just walked over like he was taking a phone call shot, the due to walk with worries. What were we saying, like, he, he was, it was so nonchalant for him like this mean? I mean, this is a guy who blew up a fucking commercial airline just to get to a witness. Right. Yeah. Just I mean at all in, like what the fuck but the one of the interesting things was the fact that. Publis kabar. Especially with was georgiana you know, he kind of didn't want the ego, which is interesting because the go ended up being the one who bought Norma's k, and ran all the shit for like four or five years until I eighty to eighty three but he did not want the ego are Carlos for whatever. You know, that's so funny that we've got George I don't do business datum. I've gotta have him bubble by he ends up being the one a fuck you out of it. That is so ironic and just crazy. But I I love this, this whole thing between the two of them, especially when they start when, when they start going on about, you know, he's like, oh, you know, you thank you for welcoming to your beautiful countries beautiful, yes. But it's poor, you know, Motta coca. This is our main exports. Bubble blah. But I. There's something deceptive about him as public- bar because he is. So he so cool. And he just kinda pulls you in, and when he's nice, it's awesome. But do when he turns that one eighty like, oh my God, it's like fucking scary. That seems like it seems like the cogs are always saying in his head like it seems like he's always, like thinking, two three steps forward, and he's just like, well if this fucks up and I'm just getting rid of this guy like you know what I mean? Like it seems like as always ahead of the curve. Right. Exactly. I love when he's I can I won't do business Diego any stops. And he pointed him and he's just kind of like. He's looking back and forth is I guess Philly content, though. But yeah, this is where yeah, the George flies down to talk about legitimacy cocaine, George refuses to work without him, though. And soon deal is made. I love this is where we get this montage of cocaine exploded upon the American culture like an atomic bomb. It started in Hollywood and moved east in no time. Everyone is doing it. And I mean everyone we invented the marketplace. In fact, if you snorted cocaine in the late seventies or the early eighties. There is an eighty five percent chance. It came from us, what that fucking sin calc. God, I am that blew my mind like do you like have you ever heard, I'm actually going to Google is quite this myth about. The amount of Merican money covered in cocaine. Have you ever heard of this? Nah. It's actually I've heard this before that there is an insane amount of cocaine that is contaminated US currency because people rolled up one dollar bills to snort cocaine with. And that is so common, it was so common in the eighties that it was like the majority of US money has cocaine all suspended, secularization. Yeah. Right. This scientific American for cocaine users rolled up, twenty dollar Bill. Maybe the most community for snorting powder form of the drug or so it would seem from a new analysis with two hundred thirty four banknotes from eighteen US cities found cocaine on ninety percent of the bills tested ninety percent of two hundred thirty four Bank notes from different fucking banks across the nation. That's insane. Holy that's actually insane. Yeah. Perhaps that's not surprising, given that the US office national drug control policy reports more than two million Americans used cocaine in two thousand seven. So this is a bit older. It's probably, I would not surprise me if that, that's not as high anymore, cocaine's, kind of, like it's dirty drug man, most people, I know that like one ado, cocaine or like some white trash visas shit to be honest, like, like younger people don't do that now like when I was younger people were doing like Molly ecstasy show like people weren't doing still mulling. Still, Molly ecstasy. I was gonna say most people just don't wanna do that shit anymore. Like coke just dirty man. But I tell you what I think we're at about the halfway point. What do you say we go ahead and take a break right here in our is? Sounds good. Sounds good awesome guys. Don't go anywhere. We will be right back with the second part of our coverage of low. Look at it this far into the episode does. Woah, taking a quick break. 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Well, yeah. Jumping right back in. We get this awesome montage of them. Just exploding to the song, blinded by the light. I always thought this was yellow, this is actually Manfred Mann's earth band institute. By the night. I always thought this was yellow for the longest time. But, but I, I was proven wrong, but we get this. We get this great montage with them just living the life of excess women cars, there's horses them snorting coke off, like people's fucking tits and shit. Like actually, went through inserted randomly pausing, it on pictures just to see as holy shit or some crazy aspects in there. But this whole thing if you snorted any coach the late seventies early eighties eighty five percent chance can't Ross. They're trying to figure out this money as a two point five three million. You know, they're starting to just wait. Now this this house just filled with cash like georgiana literally said they said how what was it like having all that cash? She said, honestly, I get to avoid that it was like a complete nuisance. He's like it was such a pain in the ass. 'cause if anybody randomly decided to stumble into that house while we weren't there. He's like, imagined the payday that you just walked into a central fuck. Dick Yetlis is a fucking ridiculous messed. We had to deal with. This is a win like a fun like a little movie connection side Joyti, yo, yo Yoyogi Mola who plays Diege. Like I said, Elliot. Hey, he was in bad, boys. Two Tom in that. He's also a massive like drug dealer is like a kingdom and icon REM. I don't think it was cut the modern heroine. But essentially in that maybe he's hiding like like he's he's got like a whole room for like cash rod, and like he's got this problem of the rats just aiding it like aiding through the money and like all I can imagine if this is just like the audible Mola losing his shit because the rats aiding money. You. It's crazy. The real George Young said that was also a problem. He's like, we really like he said, we will lose up to like a million dollars a month and just rats eating, our, our cash. Holy god. Dan, that's crazy. But this is we see the boys depositing, their money into Escobar's Bank set of wandering through the states for a sixty percent. Sir, surcharge fee, I love that. He's I keep forty percent of my money out. Think so. But this is a Panamanian Bank. I guess they, they don't have any kind of they're, they're not. It's anything to do with US where the US could seize their assets at the his thing, it's Noriega has Bank. It's manual Noriega is Bank, right? Like, like, like think about think about the corruption there Faulk, right? Exactly. I mean fuck even Escobar keeps his money here. You know, there's a reason why because they can do whatever and fucking get away with it. Oh and gets married here at the reception, George meets Merka, who is engaged to Caesar. But the marriage is quickly broken apart by Georges. Yeah. Pretty much man. What do you think can Penelope? What do you think of Penelope Cruz here? I mean like I was waiting for her to show up because I knew she was in this, I was just like when, when do we when do we get to Penelope dude, like us like this is, it's an ally and the second build person, the actress has not up. I was like, what the yeah. Like. Honestly, I was not a fan of a character. I was not a fan of this whole thing because I've seen it before of saying it done before, like it's just not something near to may. Now it's just like in now. Now to me, it's like it's like a stereotype, take away from the fact that, you know penalty cruise is one of the most beautiful women on the planet, of course by the way, fucking married to havi bottom. Crazy. Yeah. Yeah. You'd lucky Boston. But anyway, so. I've seen like we'll get to it soon. I actually like very sir. Does this really like this marmot where the laid gets like folds in love with a like I side, it's literally like this exact moment this happens in goodfellas? This happens in goodfellas. Goodfellas casino, but same shit happens in can say our robot drug deniro say's Sharon Stein from across the fucking way. Like, you know, he's like who's that law, blah, does this little honeymoon period, like same shit happens in goodfellas, dirt honeymoon period. You know, the couples happy and then hod cut to like the wife, absolutely losing her mind arguing with the fucking like delayed. And I'm just like man of saying this shit like I like I, I don't know. I'm not on board with it. I'm done with it. See in my thing is just like I, I, I like her character because it's, it's, it's one of those things where I feel like in those movies, like they just kind of enough being, you know, like here in goodfellas. She's not the reason why like there's like a downfall like and I'm not blaming her for Georgia's decisions. George did what he did. But she has like Murtha has, like a direct link in getting him caught. And I think that's what's interesting about it is the fact that, you know. What did you think was going to happen when you decided to break up the marriage of a Colombian drug Lord and his fiancee, like she's probably not the most reputable person like, like, when the chips are down. This chick is not going to have your back versus somebody who liked Barbara. Absolutely would have it wasn't really about the money. But with Murtha you can tell it's it's about the fucking lifestyle. It's about the money this, this wholesome remind me of scuff has, like in, in Scarface, who is the who is in Pskov s again, was a Michelle FIFA. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So she played Elvira. Yeah. She was also like wasn't she the wife or the, the girlfriend of one of the buses shit? Yes, she was Franks lady first before they before they murder him. Exactly. Yeah. I like her performance here. I just, like I, I like the I think it doesn't add an extra layer in the fact that she is engaged to this Cesar Roza guy, because, you know, he breaks up this marriage, and he's like you. Breaking up a Colombian wedding is not an easy task, especially when it's a drug Lord. But, you know, I didn't give a fuck because I was on touchable. I was Escobar's guy, and I think that's the interesting thing isn't shows you the power that George Young has you know, he's a fucking. He's a fucking Gringo. You know, he's a fucking Americano and like this guy has that much pool with, with these people, which even says later on. He's like I was just agreeing to them until I married, Martha than that all change. He's like that. He's like, I'm not just some white dude anymore. Lucky? He married into the family, so to speak. Right. So I do think it has an interesting dynamic in that in that I haven't seen before is the fact that even though the he is this like big badass drug dealer guy. He's still kind of needs her to get himself into the fold like completely. I think that's kind of interesting. But but I mean Penelope Cruz can knocks it out of the fucking park. Like she does a great job with, like he's sitting there, sitting there certain cokes hit cut that shit out. You're pregnant, she's like all, but w such a fucking hypercritical like like her like her. When the when when the ups are up. You can tell like she'd plays Merthyr really well like she's just just three spirited ours as great, isn't it? Great. Now, she can tell she's highs Faulk, but then when the chips are down. It's like holy fuck as she just a crazy fucking bitch, man. But. Oh, and this is where they also prey NUP. Yeah. This is where, you know, they're also talking about Georgia's califor- California connection where he won't tell DA, go. He won't tell any of the other guys in the real, Georgia. Was I, I didn't do that because this was my this was my insurance policy. He's like this is I you know what I knew was gonna keep me in the game is I, his if I if I gave them, you know, my guy will why wouldn't they cut me out. So that's deliberately why he did it for a long time in, in a catch him alive as well. He's like, I knew they would never try and kill me or to anything. Crazy. Why had this this connection in California? Oh, yes, they get married Georgian Mercer get married. We see Georgia's parents come for a visit. We also find out that the mirth pregnant, I love this conversation between him and his dad, where he's like you got some stocks and bonds, my vestments doing realize, like, okay cut that bullshit. Right now is stocks bonds is buying it, right? Like you have all the garage filled with, like bad ass, like older sports cars, like fucking like you live on Skywalker. The Skywalker ranch of cocaine with talking about. But. I love these things between him and his dad. We see this every once in a while. We see it at the beginning when he's a kid, we see when he goes back, and he's George, you would have been great anything. I love that. He's I get great. What I do that which you would immigration anything, and then we get to see him at his house in Columbia. You know, he's like it's nice nice Saint George. He's like, but are you happy? He's like, yeah. At the moment. I am happy dad, he's like, you know, I'm not I'm not dumb. He's like, I know what you're doing. I don't know the whole lot of it, but I get it. And I think that's really quite I love these scenes between Ray Liotta, Johnny dab. I like them to honestly probably my fire pot of the movie. Yeah. It's great. The chemistry between them is really excellent. And I think that it helps having really Ota, having played a character who is, who is basically, the, you know, like that beta version of georgiana, you know, this, this character Henry, not similar, but not the exact same. But this also moves us, right into, you know. Diego George having the sale at the hotel and Diego freaking out because he's not wanting to tell him his California condition. You, you brought your wife fucking bitch wife do the way they treat women as well in this is just insane. Especially George is a little bit different. And I think that's done intentionally. I don't think he was quite the Knight in shining armor, as make the movie. But I mean these guys he's like South American guys, don't give a fuck dude, like fucking beating the Shena them calling them bitches and shit. And I was like this is this is nuts hit, like it's like, like just the, the after thought that they are just it's like oh, they're just a possession. Can you imagine if this story was might today like all the fucking women's rights activists that would like around the corner and fucking poses fucking signs? Hey, take that back. They don't talk to us. Go talk to Carlos later. Right. Exactly. But at the sale, they begin to argue George refused. Assoc California connection, but in George shot in the ensuing chaos and ranges. Yeah. Finally arranges to meet up with different tech fucking for real. Holy shit him. Getting shot at so close to fuck in hard. Oh, yeah. Dude, like two inches to the left and your debt is a mother fucker man, just tell you plays it off as well. Like, you know, it's just like it's not that big of a deal. We got we get we get a big calm about this. We got a fucking professional. Yeah. I love Johnny Depp is excellent hidden. This is Johnny Depp. Oh, absolutely. And he's nano story. VN todo. Todo es Todo es nobody and motherfucker like that is like that is not that is. That is not good. But they finally set up this meeting between Derek real, India, Goto Gado in real life, Diogo curlers later when he met him. He was like, oh, he's like, so you're the man who makes cocaine disappear in thirty six hours, you know, versus Pablo originally said that to George when they first met. But then when Carlos Diego med, they're real. That's when he was like, oh, you're the one who makes the cocaine disappears Georges. And George Young basically just a middleman. He wasn't selling shit. Like he was just he was the one, you know, taking the risk and getting the pilots, I doing his own flights. But like from I hate to say it is fucked up. His is from a business standpoint like it does make sense like why like in this guy we're paying him how much money to do just to be a middleman like he's not the one hitting the streets or you know, he's, he's a connection. Yeah. Sure. But like, like do you see what I mean? Now annot that's kind of callous, but like, you know, the, the less steps the better the. Less hands. This, this dissuades with, you know, the less GRIs, there is the less people that batter as much as I hate it. I can see why they did it, there's less Rivera like, you know, like, and the like the my fault, the swag, the mo- further URI mo- further. You are removed from it the better as well. So, yeah, the less links in the chain the better. Sorry over here. Hold on. Yeah. No not doing bomb. Yeah. Yeah. But at a New Year's Eve party Georges worse firms are confused are confer confirm tag. I was doing to inspect. Your Kim from young kidding confirmed. Georgia's worst fears are confirmed. Wendy go begins making multiple runs off Norman's cay in island. He is purchased as shipment base for smuggling. I love this. I love the sangre talk. This is this is Noriega that he's talking to the party. Right. This guy who owns the bag. Is that Noriega? I think it's Noriega because comp like the fucking president of Columbia of Panama. Oh, never mind. No, no, no. I'm thinking of he plays a gusto? I'm sorry. I guess the, the guy who's kind of setting all this up the guy with the mustache, and the, he's the one who tells him that he's been fucked over. But now it's there's no why fucking there's no way manual Noriega involved in this state. Like that guy that guy was. Yeah. Was head honcho of Panama? Well, fuck him dude. I don't give fuck. He's Noriega guy didn't. I'm just getting, but now this Gustav Cousteau, Allah olive olive Russ, I guess, but he's the one who's been kind of he's part of this whole Midein con cartel thing, but he is the one that puts the word in Georgia's Zere doesn't he? He's the one telling him. Hey, you know. Yeah. I love George. He's like, he's like, he's like who's to fucking who the fuck is this guy Norman k? I like at first, you would think that's like. Yeah. Yeah. This, this whole thing of him confronting Diego and Derek is fucking great. You know him calling him saying. We're lipstick pretty won't get fucked. This is nothing personal, George. Now, this between you and Yego. I love you this business. You know. And right here is a great spot for George just to say, I'm done seventy million dollars. I can retire. I've, I'm married. I've one kid and I can never touch the shit again. Take my money and make legit business. You know, the play the stock market do real estate and not have to worry about this. But it's kind of like. Like, like Rick Ross, you know the drug dealer, Rick Ross, the real Rick Ross, not the wrapper on a did other Rick Ross. Yeah. Okay. Now, he said, the same thing he was like, you know what they're like. Why didn't you ever stop? And he's like, because I wasn't on the street selling drugs is fucking writing checks and doing paperwork. And like I was in a building as an office. It's like I'm not I'm not sitting here on the streets shooting at people selling fucking crack. He's like, you know that that's not knee. He's Io's in an office all day. He's like it was just easy is so fucking stupidly easy. But the I, I like the fact that it's just a phone call was Derek, bud with the he literally goes to Norman's K in to fucking ta goes lose in it man as man, he's got the cook sweats and like the double blinking. He's not looking good is not looking good. No. In fact, this I think this guy he, he does performances to like Jared Lehto wish. She wishes he could do like. He he reminds me of like a, like a south of the border kind of Jared Lehto as he's, I mean he's such a better. Actor Jerry Lehto for sure. But as this reminds me of something that would would try and do fail at the the facial. Tics is George. No, I would never betray you. And his is real big. His definitely got the yeah his definitely got the over the top shit damn Pat. But did I don't wanna guy postured Letta as good active? And I think he is a good actor. I'm just gonna put that out. Like have you seen Dallas buyers club did that should insane. See, I like his older stuff, more than his newer stuff. I mean he's great and blade runner. He's a he's a good actor, but there's just times where he goes over shit. I mean rec room for dreams. Good Lord awards. Good Prefontaine is good. It's like one of his first big movies from the nineties, but there's something about, like his later roles as you just kind of I don't know. He his over the top is not a good over the top. This guy's got it on walk. And that's what. I like about it is it's over the top. But he just pulls back right at the last second, you know. And he's like, okay, maybe I did fuck you over a little bit, you know, and they all kind of start laughing. But he goes to this whole list, you know, who introduced you to publish bar who introduced your fucking wife, you know, who protected you my friends, he's a Rosa wanted to slit your throat. And he pulls a gun on the not a good idea by the way, not a good idea like especially if it's not even loaded. Don't even bring that shit. Here's like that's a fucking idea. And they proceed to take him out back and beat the holy fuck out of him. I do actually like to add a touch of Diego, like we see him getting beaten up out of frame, the background. We can see the regret. India, go, why. And I, I don't I don't think that probably happened in real life, but I was just about five. Yeah. I liked the fact that he does show some kind of remorse za character because they have built in, you know, you do your my wedding, a love you. You're my brother-in-law bond to see this betrayal of that, he you can tell that he doesn't. He has some kind of guilt about it. And, and I do like that kind of touch, or would have been really easy, just to Bill. If I him say, well, he's a bad guy down. This is the last, we'll see him by you know, but we actually leave with the feeling some kind of resentment at the fact that this has to be done, but it had to be done. But yeah, they fucking gathered fucking put the boots to him. Slamming his head into that tree. They fucking punch him hit him in the face with the rifle Slamet head under the tree. And he comes home with, like ace. Soul. And I. You have a concussion did this fucker would look like Eric Stoltz from mass by the time he got home? You know, Neo. I mean, have you ever seen mask with, Eric Stoltz? I've heard of it. But like I I it's that's a fucking elephant face right? Yeah. Like he would come on looking like, like puck and Mr. potato head over here. Do there's no way like Johnny Depp comes home with, like barely swollen. I was like dude semester. Salone looked worse in rocky after getting punched a thousand times, you got hit in the head with a rifle, but like fuck off dude. But this Georgia's bucket, I'm out. And. You know, he ends up and I, I liked if I'd like Penelope Cruz here. She's real. You can tell she's really worried her. She seems genuine, you know, she seems like she's genuinely upset by this, you know, who wouldn't be your husband coming home is fucking side of his face swollen up saying, yeah, I've done, you know, they cut me out fuck it. I'm done. And. Yeah. George confronts to them. George returned home to Merthyr looking like Eric Stoltz in mask and says that he's done smuggling, but definitely not done snorting that shit though. Dudes knows a goddamn, Hoover vacuum like the he goes off the fucking day penned him. I mean, the whole thing about him being, I you know, I went always done selling and I was done. Yeah, I was cutting back store. He's like, well, maybe not completely on just the, the Leonard Skinner playing. He's an amended enemy. And he's like just going around the room like crazy as they're screaming forum. It's really, really really, really good editing. And it's like a mini montage of its own, you know. Yeah. A day at this whole thing with this whole thing with Christina, being borne in him fucking Odeen in the delivery room, like whole hog. What did you think about this, too? Like I saw him standing that his hands shaking them like. About to collapse and lawn Bohol collapse. But licked this happen. Is that real I, I couldn't verify it. I, I would not surprise me. I mean anybody who does Rog for that long of them out of time? I mean you're that's probably going to happen at some point if you're if you're snoring that much cocaine like it wouldn't surprise me at all. If it works through 'cause to hear about this guy walking away like completely on unscathed like, healthwise from Franken drugs would just be unbelievable. So I believe it's probably true. Maybe it didn't happen literally him passing out the fucking delivery room, so dramatic. And you know that's Winston's. But I do think that this probably happened. The thing that I call bullshit on is when he says, he's like, oh, you know, the human body can usually stand between one one point five grams of cocaine a day, depending on body weight. Now, I was up to five or six ribs a day. I believe that I don't believe. When he's I want snorted ten grams ten minutes. I was like, no, no. I don't think because. Yeah, I was like, dude. If you're, if you're averaging if you can handle five or six day you would die snorting tin in ten minutes. I mean, maybe it's just a movie cash, it, you're snorting. I don't know like dude ten grams ten minutes. Like you be fucking dead, as a doornail, man. There's no fucking way. But yeah he, he passes out. They, you know they, they mount they I like I like the way the doctor says he's like, you know you got a daughter now once you stay with us for a while. He's like, you know, I have no moral stake in this, whether you quit doing drugs or not, like, I don't give a fuck. But as a doctor, I gotta tell you something. And yeah. I mean did you do their daughter? Did you catch their daughters? Yeah. Emma robot stood fucking in really roll. Yeah. I was looking at this as holy shit. This reminds me of like some merit Mera. Oh, god. What's her name? She's the little girl in MRs Doubtfire. I think it's merit Dawson Mera Wilson Merrill. Yeah. Everyone a may of mentally Pullman makes up just Mina. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. This whole thing of basically, George is taking the, the quiet life now. George decides to quit snorting and selling and takes an active role as a parent, and settles down into the quiet life on till Mersa throws George thirty eighth birthday party were old friends and cocaine are abundant in the fucking waiters or cops. Great. Yeah. And I don't want go pass. We also get the reunion of Derek and George as well. We find out that the ago ended up fucking him out as well. So I'm sure he was just played leapfrog can just fuck in jumping over these guys as soon as he found out who. The way Paul Reubens looks, I'm like, dude, you look like. Mike, you look just walked out of a fucking like one of the extra for a flock of seagulls video like the one earring in the really like the silver jacket and a little tight as like oh man. But they actually do a good job of aging, both of them up here. I do like that. They looked genuinely older like Johnny Depp's hair kinda looks like shit like he looks like it looks like he's been like listening, eighties rock and smoking, non non filtered cigarettes all day. You know, he's got tired more tired look tune now which which works in the context of the story. Right. Absolutely in Mersa. I mean, good God her being just like she has a fucking candy bowl filled with cocaine, like I mean, I know that's probably nothing compared to what their normal used to doing that today. But like I walked at a room and there is a candy filled with cocaine and be like. Am I Bob Brown win? You Houston's, where the fuck, Emma? But yeah, I mean he's like on the only guy who fucking gets busted for waiters. He's like, maybe it was to cocaine buffet or the list of or the list of like South American last names. But they were fucking waiting for me to slip up, and I did. Yeah. This shit socks to should just where we get the first taste of him losing his daughter, seeing her getting pulled out of the house and her staring at him the whole time. It's sad man that sad. What did you think of Emma Roberts Robertson, this, she was especially towards the ad man? Like when when they're talking to each other, like she was fantastic. I was just like damn you. All right. A little bit of a child. Prodigy. Like, I think she's dot actress. Now, you know, maybe, maybe I'm just putting a bit more wet into it because, you know, she's acting as a child, and like, you know disobeyed like man like imagine acting as a child, like that's going to be fucking rough. But yeah, she's fantastic, in, in sequences light, I with, with, with Depp in, in the prison fischel. Oh, yeah. That's where she absolutely crushes it. And especially later on the re establishing that relationship. But Georgia's arrested he signs a plea deal saying that everything the party was his that his guests had no idea, but it returned. He also demands Christina be released from protective custody, and she and Murphy back on a plane going home before he signs anything. I love the guy. And being like oh, he's like, oh, let me get a pack, of course, something like that is a right. Like, did that guy with the mustache, Jerry minima such a dumb ass like the whole the whole time on this, this, this guy sleeves with his boots on and a gun in his underwear, just like just in case, you know, just in case like this is the guy that Ben Affleck is talking about in the town that tucks his fucking pants into a socks because he thinks. Yeah. Right. Yeah. This guy's such a dumb ass. So, yeah, he takes a plea deal. I love him dodging, the ashtray put his fucking cigarette out on the table. Fucking defiant till the end. But yeah, just like in the past George post bail and skips town and goes on the run. But not before he visits his parents, one last time. God. This is walking. This is really ODA at his best in this movie. This is my favorite scene. I love the touch of his mom, not like she she's barely even in focus. We don't see her at all will, like, like she's just won't even come out of the room, what acknowledged him literally just says, I don't have a son. That's it. It's a God. Damn the Ray Liotta. Absolutely. Crushes it here. When he's when you say, you know. He's I watch go on. He's like you're not going to trial. He's like, no dad, he's I know he's like so this is it. He's like, no. I mean, I hope not. And. You can tell that the, like they, he wants to go in for that how he wants to have that, that moment, because in the back of their heads both of them. No. This is it. I think they both know they're like hand. This is the last time I'm probably gonna see because. Yeah, you'd kind of get that feeling. Right. Right. It's like I can't ever come back again. And I'm going to have to go into hiding like, like I can't come out into normal public. I'm definitely not going to be hanging out around here. We're going to be fucking waiting for me. But as he walks down those steps and get into the car radio to face is he just puts his hand up in this, like, just to slow wave in his eyes or just like floodgates, dude, they're just holding back those tears is are so red because it sucks, you, you know that if his wife or fucking dead like he pushed her down the stairs, or something after forty years that he would be like, George come on in have a Cup of coffee. You know, he wouldn't give a fuck he wouldn't care at all. But it's like man this, this bitches got him by the by the fucking nuts, man. And it's it sucks because it really he's the one that I feel for most in this movie because, like George has put him in such a tough spot where like he kind of has to be whereas like it's usually two parents fighting and you have a child in the middle of it. You have a child and appearance fighting with another parent, the medal of that. It's an interesting dynamic, as like man that sucks. I feel so bad for Ray Liotta. Heartbreaking, Z him, just about fucking breakdown. He's leaving. But George goes to the Panamanian government tries to get sorry, tries to get his cash withdrawal. And they say there has been a, what a Nash a change in the national branch or something like that. There's some kind of under new banishment basically. They say that the Panamanian government has appropriated his entire thirty million dollars in his count fucking. How many times have you gone to check your Bank statement, and you're like, oh, fuck him in the negative or like oh fuck. I have like I have like way less money than I thought it a mention going to the fucking Bank could be like anybody thirty million dollars, and I can't give you thirty bucks out of that. It's all gone. It's all gone. Oh, it's like the dude, I would I think I probably throw up man. I think probably I'm dime dead. I'm a dead motherfucker butter have this money. They take all of his money. Marsa sorry. Not martha. Murtha Somoza, Mirtha and George argue about money Walker. She no worries about them being split up. I love this is also throwback. Like I said earlier, you know, not in front of the kid. This is good. Just seeing that cycle getting repeated. But I mean she has such a crazy line Moraga. She's like what's happening to us. I'm like, you're like fucking nine. That is not something I gas when my parents had a fight when I was nine what's going to happen. Like I never thought about that. Like she's like contemplating like big ruled issues next in show like. Like I just picture heard like worship at the end of watchmen. She's like violent lives ending. Violently is what becomes of us? Chases Chrysler like she's just as a little kid who's just. Like I always feel bad for the child a situation. And I think Emma rub rub it's really was a well like she whiz, the, the whole, I shouldn't be looking, but I am a shouldn't be hearing this, but I am and this kind of, like, man, like I, I sympathize a lot with this character. She's kind of Clinton though, you know, like she's a little, I'm just kidding. It is it is perfectly legal, however, frowned upon the call a child account put perfectly legal it is it is. But yeah, they continue about money. She worries about them. Splitting up while on the road Murtha causes their heart to be pulled over by the fucking cops dude. This shit is where like dude, like. I got a mid, if I were him, I'd probably take a swing at this point. Well fuck it you've already ruined. You have ruined my life like bug. And I'm just I'm just gonna take swing a you like, like the, the getting this whole thing between them is like a married couple boiling over to the point that, she look she literally takes years off his life. I'm like holy fuck man. What did you think of this scene? Heartbreaking short and sweet. All right. Good MEC into now. 'cause like 'cause man, like dick, this, I feel like okay look the second half this movie I feel like they crammed a lot in like they put there's a lot in here. There's Bailey anytime to, to brave. Do you know what I mean? Like, like we go from like. I can't even tell you the sequence of events because I like I can't even put it in my head right now. It's just so quick. It's like rapid fi shit. And I'm like, man. I don't know. I, I don't know. I don't know. What's it's like he he gets caught? He skips bail. He gets in the they get, you know, they take his money. You know he gets arrested again, three years passes. Divorced. Now is related. It's like everything. But, but I think that's part of the what comes up must come down. Like we saw this in the first half, where it's like, you know, we moved to California, I met this girl. Now, we're now we're selling. We now we're going to Mexico now. We bought a house in Bubba and everything happens quickly, but just as quickly as a calm it can be taken away. That's, that's what I love about it fact that run the fact that this, this, this tide swings both ways just as strong in the other direction. And I'm like I fucking love that about it. You know, when you're when you're up is never, it's never, as good as seems winds down. It's like you're never going to get back up again. Like that is such a. Good, quote, man. I've said that so many times, it's, it's, it's fucking brilliant. But. Yeah. This is where she gets him. Fucking pulled over you ever touch me. Get you motherfucker is a fucking junk dealer with the kid of cocaine in trout. Fucking second ago. You, you literally trying to hump him as as, as driving the car right sand like oh, you let the fuck you in the ass to like you don't fuck me anymore. Like, oh my God, man. Like. No wonder he fucking broke your nose. I'm sorry to say, but like. But yeah, I mean God do this is, it's a gut punch. That's a fucking gut punch every time I watched this dude. Because sushi says it like I remember watching this for the first time with a group of people, and she says that and I remember multiple people on like, oh my God. Like she just ruined. It reminds me of actually in goodfellas with Maury when Moris like you know, oh, I could have dropped the dime a dozen times. But I didn't didn't I and that's when he's shut the fuck up dude, like shut the fuck up right now. Like there, you might fucking get pissed and you might like be it ends. And you might even try to kill each other. But you don't fucking rat each other out like that is what's fucking crazy? To me. Right. It's all about loyalty. Man. Right. Exactly. But we could hit three years. Mercy comes to visit George in prison, and tell him that they are getting a divorce. There's someone else not that I think you cater and his face just like I don't like he doesn't sorry. I'm not I'm not free. Is. He is the. The divorce threes Lehto. Yeah. I mean I wonder if they might have been like them, not to superport by the United might have been trying to work it out. You never know they're gonna kid and shit. I was like, maybe they're trying to get this to work, but fuck it. I mean it's been three years, she's getting fucking pipe stuff by somebody. You know what I mean? Yeah. The she said, we're gonna divorce, I'm taking custody of Kristina, and you're gonna pay child support. And that's it. Okay. And I love, you know, say something he's all you want me to say you put me in here. Oh, that's always thinking about yourself. And then her walking out of shod in boom, this Christina behind her, like, oh, another fucking, gut punch dude, depth, face really says it all when he sees her and she's like, oh my God. Like dig- want her seeing me like this kind of thing because I got the impression that this is the first sign that he seen her since he's gone in. That's what it felt like you know, like a really and threes, do it's, it's what it felt like because I don't know if that was something. Yeah. Thanks. She gets him arrested for the shit, and it all it all kind of falls on her. I don't see them going to visit him for a while. You know, their relationships rocky. Now they're getting out of wars. I don't see her going out of her way. So their daughter can have a good relationship with their father like I just don't she's kind of a bit to be completely honest. But I wouldn't say sign that they've seen, I wouldn't say, it's the first time, but this might be one in a handful of times that, that they've come to visit. Dude, when she says, I thought you couldn't live without your heart debt reacting to that him staring him him looking down. And he stares up at Penelope Cruz. Just like if I could come across the sing right now, I would fucking eat your head. I would destroy like it's palpable. His. Yeah. At him him slim like one of the scariest things about this mood who me is when actually when he, he slamming that fucking phone into the glass. The look on his face is such of like like this rule snarl of pate in like anger, in just like lashing out, like it's, it's, it's terrifying. Like beautifully on at the same time. It's. Remind me of I it's like, well, this is Anga, that's sort of anger in different way. Ryan Gosling implied Ronal. Oh. And he's I screaming hair. Yeah, I could see that. I definitely could God he so good in that as well. I was actually really skeptical about that. I was like, okay, cool. But. Yeah. So finally skits out. Nice finally released from prison and begins to try and rebuild his relationship with his daughter. George says he wants to come and take her on the weekends. He wants to have custody. You know, you haven't we, we haven't seen any atom Oni not one cent. I love the way Penelope Cruz talks. I'm not gonna lie. I don't really find it all that attractive shows how I know I know. Put I'd much rather. Take Barbara you kidding me. Oh my God that German Red headed girl who wants to sit around and in the sun. It's what pot all day. I'm like, you know what that doesn't sound so bad? I'll take the big tits Spanish chick noise. I'll take that bullet watch fuck. I'd probably take the egos wife before it safe. Melody cruise. She looks like one of the Kardashians. I was so weird. I didn't know co khloe Kardashian had a cameo on this. Try saying khloe Kardashian say any of those. But yeah, so George trying to rebuild this relationship he gets in contact Derek real one last time trying to set something up when he's meeting this guy at the bar. Did you know who this guy is? I am like ninety nine nine nine percent. Sure this is Wayne grow from heat. Oh, yeah. Yes. All right. It is. It is one hundred percent for show because. Okay. Cool. Yeah. Yup. Yup. Absolutely. I was wondering about that because I mean I was like dude, he looks just like. Yep. That's what's funny is actually been win. Wang grow went in, like the real the actor who played him. Kevin gage is actor's name, when Kevin gage actually went to prison that to everybody just called a wing grow. And he was, like, he's nobody fucked would be imprisoned. Everybody loved blow in eat. So, like nobody fucked with me. Everybody was really nice. It must be nice head that story. He he looks like a bad dude looks so fucking Sadie yet, nothing about his whole appearances. I, I make wise decisions like. Everything everything, everything about him everything about him looks like he's like I've had to live at a card, some point. I believe you, I believe you. But, but yeah, basically, they set up another job. And this were bump into duly again. Fucking duly, dude. The, the crazy part is, there is actually a musician friend of Ted Demme's, whose last name is D, U, L, L, I, Julie, just like this one he actually named this character after him. And what's funny is was just how funny win Ted Demme died that will dedicated his album to, to Ted Demme, which is crazy guy died so young like thirty eight have like a six month old kid as fuck, man. That is super shitty. But, but yeah, the crew sets up the job we get this conversation between between George and his daughter. He's like, I'm thinking of going out, California. You would you wanna come with me yell, Bob? Aw. I this whole thing you know, I promise I'll come, I'll be thirty to pick you up, and she's, he's like, I you know scouts on swear my life, he boy, he says it's scouts onerous where my life. She's like swear on my life. Like, ooh, oh, man that flushing clever clev- ago, gal. But yeah, this is where I mean, this is just kind of I mean we're kinda we're kinda coming towards the end here. We're wrapping down. You know, everything. What is that saying, the end is the beginning is the end kind of thing like you rea- right at the beginning of it again. The get the coke that come in. Yup. Your Columbian disco shit, man. And George got him. He's like, dude. Do you save my fucking life? He's the being that I'm so generous, you're all getting extra fifteen percent George. That's an extra two hundred grand like these guys must feel like such hit by the end of this, man. Yeah. I. I would too. That'd be remorse. But I mean you know you get a D to do the right thing. I mean that's, that's my that's. Philosophy. I guess if I'm gonna be fucking plight over here. My little high hose. Well, I mean, and also, it's too, it's too late 'til like pull back like they can't say, oh, hey guys, not this one. Let's get the next one. You know that's not your calming this either this either happens now or never. Now when they take the knife, dude, I thought they were going to kill him. Like I was just like oh shit. They're gonna they're gonna snuff them out. See, I thought that too, like the first time I watched this. I was like, wait. So this whole thing, oh, federal prison inmate that was him telling the story ten minutes ago when he was in prison. And now we've moved on since then, and they're about to fucking kill him because it's a really ominous shot like it's on the table. He goes to the bathroom pants. Right. And it pans back left. And you see him take. All the plastic set up in the back. Yeah. And it just this really cryptic talk like, man. I feel bad. Yeah. Feel bad, too. But what's done is done. You're like, whoa, what the fuck does that mean do like what the hell's going on here? Oh, god. Just the fact that he has no clue and he comes back. Hey, you know what I was thinking, hours from member that time we flew to Mexico on remember that fucking landing shrimp, and it's like dude, that's heartbreaking like thinking about this time that means so much to him. And honestly, you mean so much to us because this is where that's it's just like goodfellas at the beginning, this, this is at life that we sucked into an it's the Mexico. It's the Mexican life. It's this it's this living in Aqaba, co that really sucks in. So to hear him. Chatting this backup with this guy who thinks his friend. He has no idea fucking sold them out, like Jesus. That's that's fucking, so tragic man, like some Greek tragedy shit. But George realizes, you know, why the long faces realizes that his knife is gone and fucking digits up. He knows what's going on. I, I love this whole thing of him, just feeling. No, no, no, no, no. He's fucked not. He doesn't even care about. I don't care about going to jail. I don't care about losing the money. I don't care about any of this stuff. It's the fact that I'm not going to be there to be with her. You know what I mean? Right. Right. It's, it's the selfless sort of, like the, the dad thing, right? Yeah. Exactly. I man this this this fucking heartbreaking. Through through the emotion call and get through this this'll thing of him saying, you know, it didn't bother me being and the way they all leave they way they'll get up in the spotlight hits him. You know, he's like I was busted set up by the FBI and the DA that didn't bother me set up by Kevin Dooley. And Eric for real say around asses, that didn't bother me but since two sixty years at Otis Ville, that didn't bother me. But what bothered me is that I broke a promise. I'm like, oh, just a shot of her outside like dude. That is funding. So sad. But I mean these monologues is well, do these fucking like so God damn sad. This guy that comes with the tape recorder, do you know who that is? I'm pretty sure that's Ted. Demme. Oh, okay. I think he's got a cameo in this. But, but yeah I mean I'm like, oh, this guy does cocaine. Yeah. No wonder you had a heart attack is kind of a fucking biggest dude, like playing basketball game. Okay. Like what's a fuck. Do you think you're doing dude? But yeah, yeah I'm almost like ninety percent. Sure, this is Ted EMMY, but we see him trying to get this weekend. Furloughed visist add his dad's sick as mom says, no way she gets shut down. So they have this. They have this conversation with him. You know, reading it into the, the tape recorder Jesus Christ them. I'm not gonna read this whole thing. It's so fucking long. But it's him recounting all this stuff going to work with my dad was the biggest truck in the world. I remember how important the job did what it wasn't for us. People would freeze to death. I'm with tuna. I remember when I left California on come home with the F B I chasing me. That was that was really something. You remember that? And remember when I told you that member, you told me, the money wasn't real all man? I'm forty two years old. And I finally realized what you were trying to tell me so many years ago, not finally, understand your best pop just wish I could have done more for you, which I had more time. Anyway, may the wind always be at your back the sun, always upon your face may. The wings of destiny carry you aloft to dance with stars man fucking just like. Just crying my eyes out over your so fucking stand. It is it is. It is, ma'am. I feel a felt disconnected. I didn't really. Didn't really sympathize was as much as I should have feel like I don't know. Maybe I was missing something. I just I wasn't I wasn't really on board with it as much zero. Got one hearted bastard. It just it just gets me because this has been like the only person that's been in his corner. The whole time Neo barb died is mom, betrays him his wife. Betrays him his friends. Betray -em. An it's like fuck. This is the only guy that's been in your corner consistently. It's like that is fucking heartbreaking, dude. Right. When you think that that's going to be like the emotional climax of this. We see, like what ten years later fucking lot older gardening, than we think, this is received. We're like holy shit. She's coming to visit him in. This is gonna work out that it's nothing but like an allusion as like oh my God. And at first, I was like, is he losing his mind like, is this for the movie's gonna go like he's just been imprisoned? Why shouldn't himself losing his mind for the last ten years? But but she just completely disappeared him being almost lost in that field. And he's a visitor. Today's not today. George like oh, God. Damn at that sad. It's pretty. Okay. Well, good. I'm glad something is you, you fucking ice, Princess cheese. This whole thing at the end. So in the end was it worth it? Jesus christ. How irreparably changed my life has become? It's always the last day of summer, and I've been left out in the cold with no door to get back in grant you I've had more than my share a poignant moments life passes. Most people by whether making grand plans for it throughout my lifetime. I've left little pieces of my heart here and there. And now there's almost not enough to stay alive, but I forced a smile knowing that my ambition for exceeded my talent there. No more white horses or pretty ladies at my door like fuck man. That is dude did that it's fucking heartbreaking. And I think that George Young wrote that I think that's straight from his book that he was writing. We get this. It sounds like something that was put on the show. Oh, god. Yeah. And we see, you know, he's been sentenced to prison until two thousand fourteen and Christina sunshine young has not yet this her father, and that's fucking blow man, boom, that's blah. I tell you, what, let me I think we have a listener comment on this. I've got Facebook. I don't think we got any on Instagram. I didn't think we did, even if they did have fun with me. Right. Yeah. Wait a period. Zohab. No. I just. Yeah. I'll just I'll just read this one off of Facebook that we got from Brooke moss brook. Thank you for listening. Thanks for writing in Brooklyn. I love this movie. And thought the story was, so tragic, I believe he's out of prison. Now he absolutely is George Young was released sometime. I think in like twenty fifteen or twenty sixteen actually funny. He gets out of prison. And as soon as he gets out of prison, he has to go to a halfway house for violating his parole immediately because he made public appearance. Yeah. Like, made some type of public appearance and Yahoos out in twenty fourteen and then in twenty sixteen he was arrested in booked for a month just because he was doing some kind of promotional thing that was not cleared by his parole officer. So it's not like he went back to smuggling drugs. That would be the shit if he went right back to smuggling drugs like you really don't fucking get it. Do you do what the fuck is wrong with you? This. Yeah. He's I can't I can't let it go. This, this whole thing with. This whole thing with his. His daughter is. Well, I did read that after the movie came out. She did actually getting contact with him. And when he got out of prison, they started kind of forming a relationship in this interview they asked yours has your shipping, your daughter, and he's like he's like, and it's so sad. He goes. That didn't pan out so well in the interview, the interviewers I. Oh, okay. She's like we don't have to talk about. He's like, no, he's like, it was a big part of the movie, and it's a big part of my life. And he said, you know, he say, I can't I've asked her to forgive me for this so many times, and she just won't and he's like an anti all I can do is really ask for forgiveness and move on with my life. And if she doesn't want to give that to me, I can't sit 'n spin on that for the rest of my life is I've got to move forward. He's like I made a mistake. I gotta own it. And just keep keep on keeping on. And I'm like, wow, that, that is crazy. And I mean, just words of wisdom, you know, it's like I can't force you to forgive me if you're not going to even if you're not going to that might still be my problem. I've gotta live with that. But that doesn't mean I have to sit into well on it anymore. You know, I, I don't forget that, but I don't have to sit there and relive that every day. And I'm like, Dan, that's, that's that's powerful shit. And in honestly, I hope something, you know, he's seventy three or seventy five years old. I hope they get something figured out before he dies 'cause I mean, dude, smokes like crazy and his allotted drugs. So I can't I can't see him live into like a hundred. I just saw race. Fudd ovum. Not looking good dude. He he looks like a leather, handbag God. He just he looks awful. But say we go ahead and plus some social get well, no. Give me your closing thoughts. What am I doing? I'm trying to fucking jump the gun here. Yeah. Well Donges it's like you know fucking 'cause before. Yeah. Man. Look like I said, this for some reason, this movie didn't really connect with me as much as much as it should have. I think I think just it was at a disadvantage because I came to light if I hadn't seen American made if I hadn't seen Nakas if I hadn't looked into any anything else, many in, then maybe I would elected I at this time the early that's remotely interesting about this. And if you take the many and sought of that, if you take the kabosh lot of it out of it, the relationship that George has with his daughter, and the relationship that George has with his father, the only two things in this movie that I actually probably really really like which is weighed, but yes, pretty fucking, we're yeah. It's just because like the other elements just done better in other things. And I'm not I'm not saying that, that's a bad thing on this. Maybe pot. This is honestly, this probably came, I like this two thousand one and then, like, now we're going through this crazy sort of, like Wade era with all obsessed with the million contel in El Chapo, and shit like that. So it did probably do it fast. But again, just is vantage of coming out to light the way the story is told, you know, the goodfellas vibe again. It's just under that shadow of the goodfellas why. But I can't seem to just take it out of concept to separate myself from. Maybe it's just because I've only been once maybe if I watch it again, I'll probably, you know, get that get that out of it. But I can't I'm also I bought this movie. Oh, yeah. Valuable to rent. Oh by on I, I think it was rent three dollars by five dollars just like bucket. I'm just going to buy it. Did. But yeah, it was it was. It was okay. Honestly, I'm not I'm not too high on it. Maybe I think I'll give it a. I'll give it a six. Yeah. I'm just going. Yeah. I I'm actually I'm actually looking at some of the trivia right now. It's interesting that the woman that plays George that Johnny Depp mom is six years younger than him. And that really is only like seven years, older than Johnny Depp. And Emma Roberts. She didn't see the movie till six years after it got released. You know obviously. This is actually her film debut as well. Which is interesting that whole thing about the tape recorder that he leaves for his dad is actually paid them. What, what the real George Young Leifer his dad, I fucking love this movie. I, I think that it, it shows the perfect example of trying to have your cake and eat it to the fact that the, the, you know, this whole thing of almost like a Scarface like the world is yours kind of thing. That they're literally can be too much of a good thing in. I it, it really it's, it's a story of tragedy and me for a sense because if he had just stayed in Mexico said, fuck it. I'm just gonna stay here. I'm gonna sell pot. You know, I'll, I'll retire or even if he'd had just stopped when he got his ass beat. You're like I guess he was pretty much soft. That's that's one thing that's a little bit different between the movie. I don't think they threw this big party where he got called like he went right back to smuggling for Pablo Escobar when he cut ties with Diego. So it's not like he was out of the loop completely, and he was completely cleanly. He was still selling drugs. I mean do smuggling this this what he did. But I think that this movie handles, a lot of those elements really. Well, I think that I think that we are supposed to be the we are supposed to be emotionally invested as really simple father and his daughter because we see generational like a generational thing. Like this guy is such a self destructive. Tornado of you know, he treats himself like shit snorting cocaine. But then, also the same time he's puts himself in all the people around him in jeopardy, constantly by doing this is expecting some point that there was going to be something with his parents, like, the, the, the fuck out get that when the cart I figure the cartel some point was going to be like, hey, if you don't do this. We're gonna kill your parents or something was going to happen there before, if he's like, hey, can you just kill my mom, like leave my dad? Yeah. But now I love this movie. It's not as good as I remember it. But I think it's better than most people have given a fair shake at it. I know other things have done it better. But like their other things have done it better. But nothing nothing really. There hasn't been a movie like this to chronicle one of the biggest times except for narcos, but narcos is more about what's going on, you know, below the know in the Konta, you know. Right. It's, it's interesting to see how this I in, in America was able to do this and go, you know, uncaught for so long. So I definitely say it's like a seven seven and a half out of ten. I, I really, really enjoy this. I just I love the tragedy of the story. I love the, you know, just the excess and stuff this American greed kind of thing that even when it's white collar people or blue collar people or whatever that greed will come down on your head like every single time, it doesn't matter. And you know, maybe get out get out while you, can, you know while you what you still have waste of your head attached to your shoulders. I guess. But yeah, I say we go ahead and flexible and get outta here. Equal added stood. Awesome guys, if you want to check us out, you can find us on Instagram at midnight, double feature on Twitter at MDF pod. Russell on Facebook at midnight, double feature and we have group attached debt, call the after party. That's three words, everybody's invited to that. You can also find us on YouTube just type in midnight, double feature or on Spotify were on itunes run. Any major listening platform. Please stop by ring reviews on I tunes it keeps our bread buttered keeps our lights on here. It keeps the coke flowing through our veins. So please stop by rate reviews on, I tunes shoes numale midnight, feature gmaiLcom. Give us any questions, comments concerns. Any request? I'd love to hear some more more requests from people. 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Andrew Crosse, The Electrician

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Andrew Crosse, The Electrician

"You decided to upgrade your outdoor deck. So you ordered the essentials. A power washer a set of patio chairs and shiny new grill. And you used your bank of america. Cash rewards credit card choosing to earn three percent cashback on online shopping or up to five point two five percent as a preferred rewards member which you put towards the cost of your most essential deck addition a bird feeder apply for yours at bank of america dot com slash more rewarding copyright twenty twenty bank of america corporation. Therapy for black girls. Podcast is your to explore mental health personnel development. And all of the small decisions we can make to become the best possible versions of our sales. I'm your host. Dr joy hardin braford a licensed psychologist in atlanta georgia. And i can't wait for you to join the conversation every wednesday. Listen to the therapy for black girls. Podcast on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcast take good care. Welcome to stuff. You missed in history class. A production of iheartradio. Hello and welcome to the podcast. I'm tracy wilson and i'm holly fry after we did. Our episode on john cleves sims and his ideas of the earth being hollow. Somebody suggested that. We do an episode on andrew cross and i wrote all this down including the fact that he thought he invented life from crystals. And now i'm gonna totally apart from the the document that i gave holly for our outlined to come in here because i just figured out who suggested this what was originally written in this outline was that i had got looking in our email and our facebook comments and our our twitter. Mentions being like who suggested this. I wrote all this down. And i did not write down their name literally sitting in the studio i was like maybe. It was a comment on our website. It was a comment on our websites from kumari. I hope i have said your name correctly I'm so sorry if i did not. Who left the comment. How about a podcast on andrew cross. Who thought he created life in eighteen. Thirty six with his crystals and electricity. Because it's goofy. it is goofy. This was a joy to work on also just came together with remarkable ease which was great because i was taking a long weekend and i wanted to get all my stuff done no shade at all to kamari for having left this comment on our on our website. But i will note. We do not get notification of comments on the website at missed in history dot com. It is often weeks or longer before we ever see anything on there and we also do not have the ability to turn the comments off. Because it's like a whole company wide thing to have the comments on there so if you argue comment on our website we're rally not going to see it in a timely manner and we may never respond to it but my last minute literally sitting here in the studio comment on the website it was it was crosses account of what really happened is a little bit more down to earth than thinking that he invented life or not invented life but created life with crystals and electricity. But it's still a delightful story a lot of fun to work on so thank you kumari. Hope i said your name right. I have a good check. Because i literally the connection just now that dente. Thank you for for suggesting this. So andrew cross was born on june seventeenth. Seventeen eighty four at fine court in broomfield somerset england in the manor house at fine court was first built in the early seventeenth century and then it was added onto over the years so by the time cross was born. It had been his family's home for well over a hundred years. Andrew's mother was named susanna and his father was richard crosse high sheriff of somerset when andrew was four. The family moved to france and they stayed there for the next four years. Andrew spoke both french and english by the time he got back home but after that he really did not keep up with the french and he eventually lost it all although he studied latin and greek in school. He didn't really think he had much of an aptitude for languages however he did invent a new language with his younger brother. Richard and the two of them made up a world that was populated by beings they called either hobble jeez or hobbies. We don't know for sure which they made a for cones and they imagined a whole society for the hobble geese complete with its own legal system and a system of government which is about as charming as you can get in my opinion in his own words. Andrew was a very happy boy careless extravagantly fond of fun and both boys were somewhat eccentric as they grew up. We're gonna get into andrews eccentricities in more detail. But as for richard as one example he was really really into the metric system so much so that his clocks were divided into ten hours instead of twelve. Have a number of questions about this. Like if you're running your household on ten hour clocks just translate in your head to make sure you're on time for your engagements or all. You always not on time. We're gonna to have a talk about this in our friday episode super. Because you're foolish co host may have tried something similar as an adult. Oh i'm so excited. After the cross family got back from france andrew was enrolled in a school in dorchester. That was run by a reverend mr white and then in seventeen ninety three when he was nine he moved to a school in bristol. Run by the reverend. Mr samuel sayer. An addition to his work as a teacher sayer wrote memoirs historical and topographical of bristol. In its neighborhood from the earliest period. Down to the present time indra did not really enjoy his time at the school. He never felt like you had enough to eat and he thought the food that they did have was terrible. he also didn't get along with sayer. Or some of the other teachers. Plus being extravagantly fond of fun included getting into mischief and playing jokes and pranks on people like when a classmate asked him for help. Translating some latin andrew told him that what he wanted translated meant. The stork is safest in the middle of the pond. When it really meant the middle course is safest and say. You're apparently to not appreciate this. Particular brand silliness some of the trouble. That andrew got into at school was also more serious than that. Andrew light to make zone fireworks. And that's what he was doing one day while he was also studying his virgil sayer came and caught him and took what he was working on. A way andrews. I watched where he put it. It was on the window sill of room which was always kept locked. The window though not glazed had close iron bars through which nothing could pass. The case was hopeless. I could not recover my rocket mixture but a happy thought struck me. I was resolved that no one else did. Enjoy the spoil. Which i regarded as so valuable. I had a burning glass in my pocket. I thought of archimedes and the roman fleet. The sun was shining. And i soon drew a focus. I'm a gun powder. Which immediately blew up. It was well that the house was not set on fire as for me. I was reckless of all consequences at one point. Some of the boys at school decided to go on strike to try to longer holiday breaks but beyond just refusing to go to class. They were inspired by the british troops fighting in the french revolutionary wars. So they also planned to take over the school armed with muskets. This plan was discovered and thwarted thankfully before anybody carried it out and although the ringleaders were expelled and other participants were flogged. Andrew somehow escaped. Notice as i from all of that though andrews love of science and particularly of electricity really blossomed. While he was at mr sayers school this might have had roots back in his home life. His father was actually friends with benjamin franklin but while he was at your school. Andrew saw an advertisement for a lecture series with the first installment being about optics and the second about electricity. He asked for permission to go and that was granted and things really took off from there soon. He and some schoolmates were shocking. People with laden jar that they made from an apothecary bottle so laden jars of vessel. That store static electricity. In this case probably stoppard vile filled partway with water with a wire through the stopper. Which you charge by touching the wire to something staticky before long andrew was writing home to ask for money to buy various electrical gadgetry. Let's be clear this laden's are shocking. Would not have been dangerous but it would have been annoying. Andrew's father died in eighteen hundred and he was sixteen and about that time he started to experience what he described as nervous attacks and they would recur regularly for the rest of his life while he had described himself in childhood is happy and careless. He grew up to be kind of a generally anxious person with these attacks coming on suddenly and lasting for as long as thirty minutes at a time in eighteen o to cross entered braise knows college at oxford which he called quote a perfect hell on earth wind seemed to be the focal point of social life at the college and he hated wine he also hated his classmates snobbery and classism and later on he said quote. I was less liberal at this time than at any other of my life. It took some years to rub off. The prejudices of class which i had acquired. Oxford cross earned his degree in law in eighteen. O five and he also inherited fine court after his mother's death on july third of that same year this was one of a long series of losses over a period of about five years. He lost both of his parents assist an uncle to close friends and one of his household staff who he described as a most faithful attached servant. It's not really clear whether the grief over all of this led him to abandon law but he did. he gave up after two or three years instead. He established himself as a country gentleman at fine court becoming absorbed in studying electricity mineralogy and chemistry. He also served as a magistrate where he developed a reputation for being quite liberal and he wrote a lot of poetry. Cross became friends with george john. Singer author of elements of electricity and electro chemistry. Like cross singer was an amateur scientist whose family business involved making artificial feathers flowers. But he was knowledgeable on the subject of electricity. We held public lectures and demonstrations that were at by people like michael. Faraday cross and singer did experiments together until singers death from tuberculosis in eighteen. Seventeen at the age of only thirty one george. 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That the formation and constant growth of the crystalline matter which lined the roof of this cave was caused by some peculiar upward attraction and reasoning. More on the subject. I felt assured that it was electric. Attraction cross got tumbler of water out of the stream that ran through the cavern and he ran a current through it on wires and eventually some crystals did start to form. This was the first of many experiments that he conducted in electric crystallization which is when metals are deposited onto electrodes eventually forming crystals. He would eventually start to experiment with electro refining or extracting metals from their ores electrcity which is also called a winning electro winning which by the way sounds like a great bam name was first developed by. Sir humphry davy. Who came up in our. John cleves sims episode. Everything connects history. Dan was one of the people who thought john cleves. Sims did not know what he was talking about because he he didn't ask cross experimented. Though more and more of his home became devoted to this work over the next few decades he installed six or seven furnaces for purifying metals. the estates glassware and china became laboratory vessels and he purified the household silver for use in his experiments. He also strung up about a third of a mile of copper wire from polls and the tallest trees on the grounds and he connected all that to about fifty laden jars in the organ loft of the music room. This setup became particularly dramatic in foggy or stormy weather sir. Richard phillips visited fine core related conversation with cross quote. He told me that. Sometimes the current was so great as to charge and discharge the great battery twenty times in a minute with reports as loud as a canon which being continuous were so terrible to strangers that they always fled while everyone expected the destruction of himself and premises. If the weather wasn't cooperating cross could also manually charged the laden jars turning a device with a crank here is how a visitor described. Find court during all. This quote here was an immense number of jars and gala pots fluids on which electricity was operating for the production of crystals. But you were startled in the midst of your observations by the smart crackling sound that attends the passage of the electrical spark. You hear also the rumblings of distant thunder. The rain is already splashing and great drops against the glass and the sound of the passing sparks. Continues to start your ear. Your host is in high glee for a battery of electricity is about to come within his reach. A thousand fold more powerful than all those the room strung together. We follow his hasty steps to the organ gallery and curiously approached. The spot wins the noise. That has attracted notice you see at the window. A huge brass conductor with discharging rod near it passing into the floor and from what knob to the other sparks are leaping with increasing epitope and noise rap rap rap bang bang bang nevertheless. Your host does not fear. He approaches as boldly as if the flowing stream of fire were a harmless spark. Here comes the big no surprise moment. Many of his neighbors did not particularly care for our cross was nicknamed the wizard of broomfield and at one point he was speaking at a meeting ahead of election and local farmers were booing him when an outsider asked what was wrong. Someone replied quote. Why don't you know him. That's cross of broomfield the thunder and lightning man. You can't go near his cursed house at night. Without danger of your life them have been. There have seen devils all surrounded by lightning dancing on the wires that he has put up around his grounds at the same time. Though there were local people who thought his experiments had curative properties. In her account of his life and work crosses second wife cornelia described the case of a local man who was paralyzed on one side of his body and also had a salivary gland issue quote. After being electrified twice a week for six weeks he was so much better that he could walk to find court and the complaint in the throat was entirely removed. i'm making a grimacing ace Another gem from cornelia about their booming flashing property quote. we were never troubled with burglars. Said fine court. We will get back to cornelia and a bit since they got married later on andrews life. His first wife was maryanne. Hamilton daughter of captain john hamilton. They got married in eighteen. O nine relatively early into cross's time as a gentleman scientist they would go on to have seven children together over the next ten years. Although three of those children died when they were still children their oldest child john was born in eighteen. Ten cross seems to have been really deeply fond of his wife and children and very traumatized by those three deaths at the same time though in terms of family he'd been on his own aside from a couple of younger siblings for four years before he got married and he just wasn't used to having a regular home life and along with all of his experiments made things a little bit chaotic. Ada lovelace became friends with both andrew and his son. John ada and john actually had a romantic relationship that was also tangled up with her gambling. She summed up the atmosphere at fine court. This way quote. The dinner hour was an accident in the days arrangements even though there were living in a seventeenth century manor house which suggests a lot of wealth. The cross family's lifestyle wasn't particularly extravagant. Compared to other people in a similar situation they did have problems with cashflow. Though and crosses words quote my family were learning and honorable men. As long as i can look back. But they had a happy knack of turning a guinea into schilling and i have inherited that faculty pretty strongly cornelia described him as quote injudicious in his expenditure apart from his friendship with george john singer andrew cross was intellectually. Actually pretty isolated is closest longtime friends. Was john kenyon who had been one of his classmates at mr. Say your school. And while kenya was interested in crosses experiments science was really not his calling their overlapping. Interest was poetry kenyon wrote poetry himself and he was a distant cousin of elizabeth barrett browning at one point before her marriage he brought andrew cross to visit her he also supplemented robert and elizabeth barrett browning's income and left the money when he died in eighteen fifty six so cross did talk about his work in public but not really all that often in somewhat reluctantly on december twenty eighth of eighteen fourteen. He gave an address that garner ins lecture hall and it is possible that mary shelley. Who at the time was mary. Godwin attended this lecture. She references it in her diary but her notes about it. Also kind of vague. She writes about going from place to place looking. Thomas jefferson hogg but not finding him at any of those places before saying quote go to garner ins lecture on electricity the gases and the phantasmagoria return at half past nine. Shelly goes to sleep. So it's not one hundred percent clear whether garner ends is one of the places. She was looking for hog and she was just noting the topic of the lecture that might or if she actually ended the lecture herself either way though sometimes people point to this diary entry as evidence. That cross was an inspiration for shelley's novel frankenstein or the modern premie theus which was published four years later in eighteen. Thirty six cross reluctantly agreed to speak at the annual meeting of the british association for the advancement of science that was being held in bristol. He had intended to go to the meeting simply as an observer but he was persuaded to talk about his experiments with electro crystallization. It turned out that people were fascinated. John dalton who just covered on the show was in attendance and he told cross he had never before listened to anything so interesting and all. This attention made fairly uncomfortable. Though and his words quote i slipped away out of it all and he went home before the meeting was over. It was not long before he was getting even more attention though. And we'll talk more about that after a sponsor break if you sell stuff online you're in the right business with more people shopping online. Chances are you're handling more orders than ever. That's why you need ships station. Ship station makes managing and shipping order. 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After the british association for the advancement of science meeting in eighteen thirty six a lot of the response to andrew crosses work was pretty positive but he did have some detractors on january thirty first of eighteen thirty seven he wrote a letter to a newspaper called the atlas in which he responded to what he described as an attack. By dr richie. I could not find the taxed article but ritchie apparently criticized cross for framing his work as discoveries when other people had discovered these things. Many years before richie. Also described crosses work in a way. That just wasn't very accurate. Crosses tone is kind of along the lines of you. Were there at the meeting dr ritchie. And you could have just asked me if you had questions. Instead of writing this incorrect article mischaracterizing me and my experiments which do because i love them in this response cross framed his work as observations not discoveries. His letter ended quote. Ps i should have sent this answer long. Since but have been prevented by severe illness. I must beg in future decline engaging in scientific warfare with anyone having neither inclination nor time for that kind of amusement but dr ritchie's article that he was responding to you with just the tip of the iceberg not long after he spoke at the british association for the advancement of science andrew. Crosse became famous in a way that he really did not expect and also really did not want he had been experimenting with a piece of porous volcanic rock which he was using because of its ferocity rather than because of its composition. He kept this rock electrified with voltaire battery and he had placed it in a fluid that was saturated with black flint and potassium carbonate in his words quote on the fourteenth day from the commencement of this experiment. I observed through a lens a few small whitish extra senses or nipples projecting from about the middle of the electrified stone on the eighteenth day these projections enlarged and struck out seven or eight filaments each of them longer than the hemisphere on which they grew on the twenty six day. These appearances assumed the form of a perfect insect standing erect on a few bristles which formed its tail till this period. I had no notion that these appearances were other than an incipient mineral formation on the twenty eighth day these little creatures moved their legs. I must now say that. I was not a little astonished after a few days. They detach themselves from the stone and moved about at pleasure. He went on to write quote in the course of a few weeks. About one. Hundred of them made their appearance on stone. I examined them with a microscope and observed. The smaller ones appeared to have only six legs. The larger ones eight crossed out the most likely explanation for this startling occurrence was that airborne mites had deposited their eggs on his equipment which was exposed to the air. But that didn't explain why the might seem to able to survive in an environment. That should killed them later on. He also acknowledged that the early stage of these creatures formation was nearly indistinguishable from the early stages of crystal formation so he might have just been mistaken beyond matt he said quote i have never ventured an opinion on the cause of their birth and for a very good reason i was unable to form one. He talked over what he had seen with some other scientists and he sent some samples to richard owen. Owen was a biologist. A comparative anatomist and paleontologist. He's actually the person who coined the term dinosaur area. He also very vocally criticized. Charles darwin's work on evolution. Owen said that these were cheese mites which are arachnids from the genus chorus. Cross called them a chorus skull von Cross never intended to publicize this find anywhere. But at some point he either mentioned it too or was overheard by william bragg of the somerset county. Gazette brag published an article on december thirty first eighteen thirty six titled extraordinary experiment. Although brags article did not make this claim soon. Papers all over. Britain and ireland were printing sensationalized reports that andrew cross of somerset had used electricity to create life. So to be clear andrew cross did make some far fetched claims during his lifetime like he told a story about being bitten by a cat that died that day of hydrophobia which is rabies about three months later cross had worrying combination of symptoms. He was thirsty but his throat spasms when he tried to drink water and he had a pain that started in his hand and worked its way up to his elbow and shoulder convinced that he was to die of hydrophobia. He went shooting and intentionally exerted himself and thanks to his physical exertion and mental focus. He was better in three days. He wrote quote. I mentioned the circumstance to dr king league and he said he certainly considered that i had had an attack of hydrophobia which would possibly have proved fatal. Had i not struggled against it by a strong effort of mind. You cannot cure rabies with exercise and positive thinking it would just never occur to me to be like. I think i might have rabies. Go shooting that's going to help as an anxious person. I can totally see myself being like. Oh now this thing is happening to me we. We don't really know. If dr king lake really did think that he had somehow staved off a an attack of rabies or if king lake was humoring him. That's right dear. You cured yourself. But even though he had this whole story about the cat and the rabies he did not say that he had used electricity to create life. He steadfastly maintained that not only hit. He never made that claim he had never said anything that a reasonable person could interpret that way. He really didn't know for sure why mites had hatched in his experiment. I mean he had that kind of best guest of maybe some might put their eggs on there but he he definitely did not think he had created them or given life to them with electricity for the next few years though cross faced ongoing accusations of blasphemy and them because of this misreporting of his work and the rumors that followed people called him a frankenstein and a disturbance of the peace of families. Cornelia cross later wrote quote after disavowing all intention to raise any questions connected with natural or revealed religion. He went on to observe that he was sorry to see that the faith of his neighbors could be over set by the claw of might other people tried to replicate crosses results but only one william henry weeks of sandwich had any success. Men happened in eighteen. Forty weeks had placed his experiment under a bell jar in mercury to seal it off from the external air and he said that quote five perfect insects formed on november twenty fifth eighteen. Forty one after more than a year of the experiment running so we started the experiment in eighteen forty and then reported this. Eighteen forty one. He named these mites. A car is crossing after andrew cross cross and weeks. We're both threatened with violence and they were not. The only people caught up in this media. Storm another was michael. Faraday who was falsely reported as having confirmed crosses experiment in february of eighteen thirty seven. Not only had he not done this he also had not tried to as all of this was happening. Several members of crosses family were seriously ill. His wife marianne died in eighteen. Forty six and his brother. Richard died just four days later. Andrew was absolutely bereft and he went to london where he spent most of the next four years as the house and grounds of fine court fell into disrepair while he was in london. He met cornelia augusta here at berkeley. Who was a fan of his work in her words quote when young i had always been intensely interested in mr crosses experiments in electrical science. I had cut out scraps from the newspapers that made mention of his discoveries so that it was with no common feelings i looked upon the man whose power in building that mysterious agent. Electricity had so excited my imagination. She goes on to say that she was disappointed at their first meeting. He didn't talk about electricity. perhaps he was hungry. I love that. Andrew and cornelia got married in eighteen fifty. He was sixty six and she was twenty three. They went back to find court where they had a son in eighteen. Fifty two followed by a two more children bringing his total surviving. Children to ten cornelia helped andrew with his experiments and observation. He tried to use electricity to purify seawater and restore spoiled food and make a hangover cure by electrifying wine and beer. When he published his work. He did so through the electrical society which took him or populist. Egalitarian approach than many of the more formal academic societies in eighteen. fifty one. The crosses went to the great exhibition in london. At joseph paxton's crystal palace which we've covered previously on the show. They also went on a tour of england coming back to fine court in eighteen. Fifty five on may twenty eighth eighteen fifty five andrew. Crosse had what. He called a paralympic seizure. It was probably a stroke that paralyzed part of his body. He died on july six in the same room where he had been born. On his deathbed he changed his will to leave his property to his wife rather than his oldest son john then gave the estate to john and his family andrew cross is buried in the churchyard at the church of saint. Mary and all saints broomfield. Cornelia had an obelisk in his memory. There and eighteen fifty seven cornelia published memorials scientific and literary of andrew cross the electricity which discussed her late husband's life and work including many of his poems and correspondence and a complete account of the experiment with the mites. And one thousand nine two. She published red letter days of my life which included her recollections about the scientists and writers and thinkers that she had come to know during their marriage. Most of the manor house at fine court is no longer standing. It was largely destroyed in a fire in eighteen ninety four but the library and music room are still there as well as a gardener's cottage and a church. Some of the structures still standing on the property are used as office space including for organizations like somerset wildlife. Trust and visitors can stay at the gardener's cottage. It is primarily a nature preserve with walking trails. A tea room with the tea room currently only takeout due to the covid nineteen pandemic We have made some references to andrew cross poetry. And i thought we would end on one of his poems. This is called the three trenches three circling trenches around my heart. I throw to keep it bay. Each inter meddling fo- within the first the world may enter free. Whatever their sect opinion or degree safe or the next agreed affair array serenely smiling as the summer today to pass the third alas how few contrive and of those dearest few how few survive has andrew. This is one of those topics that if i had a do over time machine i would have saved this for like a tour show so fun. It's very very fun Do you have fun email. Is it fun. It is it. is it fun. This is from jennifer. Jennifer says highly and tracy. I got so excited. While i was listening to the recent scurvy episode. I went down a history rabbit hole a few months ago and didn't know how to write in about it. It's a long story. But i was watching a cooking show and the recipe called for black currants. I was intrigued because they looked delicious. And i had never heard of them before it turns out in the early. Nineteen hundreds the us banned the cultivation sale and transportation of currents they can carry a fungus that is destructive to the white pine so currents were bands to safeguard the timber industry that basically eliminated currents from the american diet. Another interesting fact. During the blockades in world war two currents were one of the only vitamin c rich fruits. That could be grown locally. In britain churchill encouraged people to cultivate black currants and it kept the population from getting scurvy current flavored soda and candy are still popular in the uk. Today i love the show. It was my first podcast ever and it opened me up to the podcast world. My love history has grown so much. Because if you guys thanks for reading thank you for sending this email jennifer. I got it this morning. And i was like why have i had no confusion about what currents are even though. I don't know that. I have ever actually them. And the answer quickly. Came into my mind that an aunt of green gables and it's supposed to give diana berry raspberry cordial but she accidentally gives diana berry morillas blackcurrant line and then diana gets very drunk and it is a big source of tension in that part of the book and so i think sometime in my childhood i was like what is what is black currant wine and i found out that they're like little they're like little berry. I looked into it. Because i was like. Wow i did not know all of this about there being banned in the us. I just sort of assumed that they were something. That didn't grow locally. That's not true at all like they were grown a whole lot in new york in new england until this whole problem with with the fungus which is actually a rust and the band like the federal ban was rolled back before i was born but there still a lot of state level bands. It is still not a commonly grown crop in the us at all like more than ninety. Nine percent of the current crop in the world is grown in europe. So that was an interesting tidbit for me to start my morning off with. Thank you so much jennifer for sending this email. If you'd like to write to us about this or any other podcast we history podcast iheartradio dot com and then we are all over social media at missed in history. That's braille find our facebook twitter pinterest and instagram. And you can subscribe to our show on apple. 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What what are you talking about? There was a lovely woman in the. She looked like a sexy Harris John. John Kashi six nine. Need somebody to walk me to my car. Official cars yards stitches. How is how is everything in Louisiana? Thing is good. Beautiful, I was your father's day by the way, Bro. Father's Day. We're. With the kids or Something! You're bumping into a kid every day. Over the hat or was sitting here. You got them all over the House that is unbelievable. Did you have fun? Go was a fun. Did you Cook Mo? Mo Have Cook. What are you talking about? You didn't cook, anything. On, the grill or no I'm the grill how? I am! I'm hot hot bird. Every day Father Day have wonderful kids. The sharieff and baby great messages on on social. Media but. Thank you, but I told him is not necessary every day while the dental. Be Your father forever, so that's also. A good message. That is a great message right now so. We were down the beach. And I've gotTA. Tell you it was the most magnificent week we've ever had at the beach and I don't know if the pandemic sort of brought that on or not, but it was. Hugely crowded. First of all MC Junkin. I don't need you. I don't need you posted like a rapper. What do you mean sitting? Back Flows. Toes hanging out today? I was off. Social Media Week me. The problem. Once! Problems. I don't need I. Don't need you same problems. You people have trouble tonight. You. Love the life can't even go to the Wendy's I. Mean You know on Atlanta? He can't. He can't even hit. The Wendy's anymore well there. You know it's been A. It's been a wild time spinning. Really speaking of wild times. Where where do you stand on the state of everything? That's going on with the because I. Think to isn't today the deadline that they're supposed I've o'clock today's. On Wednesday have to opt out or opt in and reportedly very small number of people will opt out. No that didn't attend. People just test positive for something like that. Yeah, none of them again test positive again. Here's where we to get to this. Like shackling the twenty three kids, at Clemson on the football team test positive when they showed up okay. None of them hospitalized. None of them requiring medical intervention, none of them requiring just they showed up, they were. Young, men and their positive. And it's again one of these things that we keep talking about this the young and the healthy under the age of forty. It's not it's almost nonexistent. The amount of people that are really getting severely affected always thought though you don't want to spread to other people and that's what it is. It's the spray. It's not so much getting it. It's who passed. The thing is is that you've got to be responsible like my mom says at ninety one years old. She said I need to be responsible for myself. I need to make sure I. Don't come in contact with people that haven't I need to make sure that I'm sheltering in place? But I gotTa Tell Ya Shack. She's pissed. That her granddaughter was the her school year affected and everything like that because we gotta get back to living and people are doing it in Florida by the way you're gonNA. Lose your mind if you are afraid of covert and you do not go to Florida. That's all I'm GonNa, tell you because other than bartenders and waitresses. Every single person is out in about and I saw you could accounted on two hands the entire week. We were away people that were. Were not service workers that were wearing masks. Wow, now we're we're. We're serious. We're talking about going into the going to the Walmart going into the arrest. Now the wait staff all the restaurant, cooks and everything like that all wear them, but it was not. It wasn't common to see a mask. It really wasn't What was your thought on on Kyri kind of saying that he he thought it was kind of the Orlando. Bubble thinks muddle fishy to him. Really get a chance talk about. Any thoughts on that he thought about Napkins when you thought that would feminine Napkins are what what are you talking about? Thought About Napkins. A listen, everybody has their own opinion. and. Why is Kyrie inserting himself into something that he's not even doing I mean like he's, he's speaking for other people. He's not competing for a championship. Going on, but I mean he's a crazy You're you're. A just a solid. Shack? Hurts people's feelings get very upset. I would say if the if you think the world's flat. You don't need to be worrying about. Worried about viruses. Over native you worried about viruses activists. Point of what what are you doing with Gronk this week? GRONK, big event, coming up Saturday night, whereas the money for social justice in double ACP boys and Girls Club. Just you know doing apart. We're GONNA. Try to make people laugh We're going to have six events where me versus him, and then we're GONNA party. Raise the money and you do a good thing. It's a shack versus US versus drug, which is fun. You two are gonNA. Have a lot of fun with that. That'll be good. I guess you guys have to compete against each other, and then like you win money that goes toward your individual charities. And and know everybody knows the sports and musical two things that bring people together so groggy. Take. Take a couple of hours of your time. So hopefully, you guys. It sounds it's everywhere on the digital. It's like facebook instagram twitter every. Dan. Off. Stuff in here by the way performances from Snoop Baby Steve McKee, diplo carnage of course, DJ, diesel and Nobody Music Dea Shack that's a great group did. Kids! Who are these people. And then they're gonNA. You'RE GONNA. Do some horse jousting. There's going to be a chicken wing eating contest apparently. Yeah so. Fun that'll be a good time and you got to see. If we find out. We gotta get the scoop about Gronk is a buccaneer you know. How is he? Because he's got a shack got put weight back on your know who says he says right now. People call them skinny GROG. You don't like that, so yes, to he merely does. He lost like thirty five pounds. Looks thin and he plays. He's not afraid to take the physical beating, so he doesn't. He's not GonNa want that if he's center, so you gotTA. Help them out a little bit with that. Which is pretty? That sounds like it'll be fun. What are worship view on Vegetarians? I don't believe that God put. The bounty of the earth in front of us and put it there to say you should only eat. Vegetables occurs absurd fact. DVD Game Changer I get not okay, so it's about some basis. Bunch of athletes. The sand I'm Vegan now and I feel better and I look better so try you're GONNA try to go Vegan. Well hold on Vegan and vegetarian. Which one is one? which is the one that if you? Get? Mama Vegan. Eaton that's. Being what but I'm I'm GonNa do a modified Vegan. Diet I'M GONNA. Go Breakfast smoothie. Fruit. For, secca meal, lunch, Salad, fourth, Male, another fruit, snack, and then. v Mail I gotTa go to what I know. Meet what McDonald's. King. Look a steak. Doing a real hybrid you. Realize. I'm going to start tomorrow, so you are officially vegetarian tomorrow tomorrow tomorrow okay. Everybody Monitoring Shack social just. Five. People in at the local Burger King Let. Sorry. You're done after tomorrow. Shacks Change so we've got that handled I. Rub you didn't. You didn't. Present staring right at it and I didn't send you listen do. You didn't hit. You didn't present. This is unbelievable I. Listen to Herm Edwards. He told me. Don't press that. Don't press yelled at me I. Did did you hear anything about what was going on with bubble wallace this week and the whole Nascar thing you did. I saw that okay. What did you would you phone? I thought was was messed up while somebody do that. And then see like I try to. I try be detective. In real life detective, the first clue. Is Not clueless, and also of the case right, so you look at all the evidence right? So the thing was hanging around his car. He's never seen him before. Then when they did eat internal investigation, they found out. It's always been there now. I gotta go back and re interview witnesses so I believe him when he said it wasn't there before and stare. You know somebody's trying to persuade them. Because a lot of stuff going on around NASCAR taken out flags I'm sure that's said a of people. You Got People Flying Flags outside the stadium I'm sure a lot of people upset, so is it Here's what doesn't make sense though shock collar. So so are getting ready to believe it up and no I going to tell you what I believed in what we did on our radio show. We said there's an FBI investigation going on. No no at the time when we took the air on Monday, they told us that the FBI was looking into it i. said if the FBI is looking into it, they're going to find the answer, so let's just wait to what we think. This is what it is. Let's just wait and you know what our show ended up being smarter. Because we waited because we didn't jump to a conclusion that this was some hate crime. And the one thing I thought it was this. Is that then now? We know it was there from last November at the at the very at the very latest. They know it was their last November the exact same. Armature and by the way it worked, it worked. It pulled down the garage door. Because of the rope, the new didn't hear. The news was just a piece of the garage, and it pulled down the garage door so I can understand shack in these racially charged time. I can understand by the way. BUBBA did not make the claim. Someone else came in and saw it. Bubble was not the one. He's not Jussie smollet, and that's what pissed me off is trying to say was Jesse Smell. That because. Because he didn't. He didn't even come in and see it. Someone else saw it from his team and just assume, but that was a randomly assigned garage. And if he had arrived three hours later, his his team had arrived three hours later. He would have been two garages down, so it was just randomly assigned that he got that garage and it just it just so happened to be that. I wish people would be willing to say in the sports media especially shack. I got it wrong because everybody was running with everybody was running with. It was a hate crime. This is NASCAR and understand. Why understand why people would maybe assume that, but when you get it wrong. You should be able to stand up and say know what I got it wrong. Everybody so hungry for news and so. I got to talk about it. And and not only. Get they social follows up, but nobody wants. Nobody wants to go back and look at it like like you remember that member taboo. Love the hawks when he had the police brutality case in New York when they were. When they when they were presenting that case in the beginning. All the the police data of came out for four weeks. I absolutely was of the belief that taboo was in the wrong sefolosha was wrong. The cop was right and everything. Then as the details came out with the case, and then the fact, start is present. Themselves I couldn't have been more wrong couldn't have been more wrong and we literally started a show where I just said. Said okay. We got to clear something up here said now that we've seen other facts, come out. I believe I had it completely wrong. It's not hard to do we all get things wrong I just don't understand it, we we. We live in the age of accountability. You could say and do whatever you want then if you don't, you don't have to walk it back anymore. Live in I. Don't you can't shy? By old school folks. If you make mistake you own it because you guys always listen to them. I pay them no mind whoever they may be. Oh my gosh, I mean. It's incredible. Guys going well. NASCAR says it was still a noose. Now it was pulling down the garage door. Well the FBI. It was a news now. The FBI came out and told you it was not a hate crime. There was no evidence of it and it was there since. And I say one additional thing on this won't. Kind of a gun story now, but I i. really regardless of what happened. The show of solidarity from Wisconsin was amazing like they walk Wallace to the front of the yard and. You didn't like awesome. Awesome was really great like it was an immediate show of solidarity within a sport when something bad went down, but you know some that didn't go down now. This is why shack and I know. We can have real talk on this show. Here's the one thing I would suggest. Though is all that unity all that same message everybody believed that then as far as a believing that this is something good. This is a good show of force. Everybody together. We're all we're all in this together. WOULD NASCAR was awesome, but then when the FBI comes out and tells you. This was not a hate crime. This is something from last fall. So what? We? What people were assuming was false at that point. I think it's important for BUBBA TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I. Did today. There's stuff on his last night. He was on Don Lemon last night. He was on Don. Lemon show, and it was being ginned up again. It didn't make any sense and I'm going BUBBA. You have such an opportunity here to be a great ambassador I gotTa tell you this so many people now know who he is. And! Fans of at this is something that can work in that sport, maybe a bridges again. Question Answer. who was on Jemma. Aunt Jemima was a was a great lady knew how to make the best pancakes know she wasn't real person what I, don't you? Personally. Mascot. Mascot. I. Don't believe she was real person. I might be wrong. were. The change into Syrup because it says it's a No, it's not the serpent's. That kept pancake mix because they say it's a stereotypical view of a black woman. With a with a with. In her hair that she sort of amazing that she sort of the the cook. I understand I guess what my favorite Syrup Mrs Butterworth's. Who the hell's Mrs. Potter worse? She's A. She's black to wait a minute. Though is Mrs Butterworth Black because she's full of syrup. Yes, because the bottle makes it very. The bottle the. Bottle snow. White Mrs Butterworth's is a portly African American woman and it's the same thing she's got the actual. Yeah? They're getting no. It's gone. seriously. I some. PANCAKES! To say to you brothers, but I'm not eating the white man sir. Bye Birdie! Zero. Zero! Kid Me. Miss Butler off Mrs. Sierra. Shack is that a now you can't rent. Gone With the wind. Without Getting A, they have to have a disclaimer on it. That explains to you there racial stereotypes being shown in a movie about the civil war era. I can't even imagine. We have gone to crazy town, so I say this for every Italian in America. For routes. Not. disclaimer. Tom. About roots the my father. I'm speaking here on the Front of the Godfather I. Want I want spokespeople to say you know what Italian being depicted here as mobsters. Mama is heavy set in the kitchen. What so as gone with the wind. It's the same thing we've entered crazy. Crazy town and shack unfortunately, too many people were not speaking up and having because they're afraid. They're afraid to cancel culture. For everybody's, you can't. Cancel cultures coming after Jimmy Kimmel right now. People want want whoever you are in your opinion. You did something in your pass. And now you need to be punished for it because now. We're tired from your show. You know why they want you Kim off there because he did that. Karl Malone skit on the old man show yeah. Look with a Larry is a funny. Anytime you do black face you gotTA. Pay Thirty Rock. They did it and they had to apologize I. gotTa tell the shake. Do. You believe and we've had. We've had the mailman on the show. I don't believe for a second Carl Malone ever watched that skin did anything, but probably laugh is. Mean it was hilarious. And he's got a good sense of humor, though Oh many times, and then one of the nicest, but now other people are in the business of being offended for you right here on your behalf, and you know what it is. I gotTA. Tell you this. I think that look at shack. If you look at the people being arrested around the black lives matter protests in Atlanta. Do you know what covers up around more than fifty percent of them. Word White. Lady. Wendy's he close and that by the way you could tell that when they had her picture on there, looking for that was the first time she was at Wendy's. Can assure you that I can assure you nice. She'd been there. She. Had Been there quite a few times before they were able to track just by her receipts. They knew her regular order obviously blessed diet. Coke mother. DIPLO torture. Shack, will you well? We've seen in Atlanta is. We've seen Kisha bottoms come out our mayor. Come out and say and I. Don't Burn Down Your own neighborhoods don't Danny on businesses, and you know what you got. A lot of militant white people that are out hijacking the black lives matter movement, and they're out there committing crimes and everything that because they're. They're involved in some militant movement trying to hijack this thing. And it's disgusting. It's disgusting, so can I speak to white people? Stop doing. It stopped burning down buildings. Stop throwing rocks and Music Music Rub. We got some music. John Is. If I can speak to white America for a moment place. Black lives matter is something that everybody should be able to be in unison to support. But the last thing you need to hear. Our white people speaking on behalf of black people about what they should be offended by what needs to be corrected or otherwise we were told by many many leaders in the African American community. Many who I respect. Can you just listen? Can you listen to what our grievances are? Can you list stop talking white people stop talking. Listen for a while. That's what they're asking you to listen and then when they ask you to take action. Then, if you believe in the cause and you believe in what they're saying, take action on their behalf, but don't hijack black lives matter into being white movement. Because it's not, it is not. It is something that we should be listening. We should be supporting and whatever level of support you WANNA. Give it you want to financially. You want to do it by showing up at a at some sort of a rally or otherwise then do it. But stopped. We shouldn't have crimes being committed. Under the guise of a black lives matter March because you know what Atlanta has shown it. The black lives matter marches have been. Relatively peaceful, and and not not that it has been radical. People taking over many of them white. Yeah, many of them white wanted John says white people stay at home. Of course because we gave you gotta be careful, and you got to be careful, because if you go out to Cova may get you. God you might breathe something. Check on behalf of you my kill. Thank you very good. Always have your back. A couple of things to clarify. You GonNa Fight Johnny Knoxville. Mentioned it to my gusty vote. For I would love to do that I. here's the. Bucks Johnny Knoxville. Because I remember when he bought so. Our dear. Them sure that we would be honored and absolutely love it there. You Go, so steven basically confirming a box Johnny Knoxville Jackass for a man. So see you do that. You get there. In tighty whiteys. They always have something. Stupid, push your said, would you? Would you in Tidy Whitey? Would you be willing to close? Man. There's viral. Be Tripping on anything viral for the and is it, is it? Is it Carl? Lewis Caramel Caramel okay caramel shack. CARMO, Shang! A lot of white people. Do you remember your Nestle? Crunch commercial. Second person here for new Nestle. Crunch Karm. Amount. Can you smell? Introducing this approach. That remember this. So so the funny thing is the guys who have been the commercial. They wanted me to said. We're not doing this caramel. And so they wanted me to shoot the right way, but I told personally. I'm going to say that you say that, so you know we came up with. It's pretty funny. There's a home icon this fabulous. We're GONNA. Keep it cut. Saying shuckers Karmanos. Let me taste them risk Karen. I said no Caramel so so yeah I just told the kid, and let's just go back and forth, and then at the end. Say whatever you say shaqueal. God Cut. Rocky, I know I know. I know a kid who would eat. A healthy cereal would get special. K or something like that and would crunch mash up a Nestle's crunch bar. ooh, and put it on top of the healthy cereal and eat it with ice cold milk nicely. Best serial ever know those co John. Those called case of PS. What's that White People Syndromes? Grabbing something discussing? Heart attack. John. Is Do you. Have people family the backwards? For example. My cousin used to buy for a car flex. Put sugar on Blake Bro. Exactly. All. Check us out the AGO. Let me get a cheeseburger with no cheese brought us. Allies. Quarter pounder big MAC, sauce look like. That's what it is. My mom would not by after many meetings with the nuns in grade, school. I was forbidden of sugar cereal unless it was summer vacation. So I was forbid she thought Oh the problem. 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Of Borderline right now I'm going to start with a profanity warning a profanity one. We're not doing the show. Stop it no! I hear this. Because I don't know I. Don't know if I'm going to beat this out because it's just too damn funny. Okay, did you have you seen? The kid of the kids got to be eight or nine years old. Okay, and his sitting was mom. There I guess they're in Staten, island. This is every kid I ever knew from Staten Island. He's eight or nine, and his mom asks him about the lockdown. No and this we get next weekend. It's going to be so nice like sixty sixty five like that. We could sit outside. On the Porch Sign not. We could sit outside on the porch. Down each one new state of. Not. So you plan on staying in the House through like June. down. My God What? The News. On my cash. WPRO? Momentous mcdonagh. Kidding right Oh my God, I would have been dead got it dead. Why would she let that go on? Just letting him go? He's to natural with Oh. God, that's not. Let to tell you. This used around his house on my Gosh. Sounds like. Joe PESCI. As well so? News. On, what are you talking about? I can hear you. I thought there was A. VELOCIRAPTOR! Gosh. Kim Get sexy Coppola Harris. Hey Act like little respectfully. Man. She liked what I'm still. Does. To Send me that later by the way. She tried dating somebody serious out that work for. Check. Back. Step across racial lines. Issue this month. Ago. Why would it be an issue? Because, that kid, okay. For that I had to bring that to you for borderline also we got. Thank borderline detective, Neal who? Show yesterday. Yes, it was This is this is an expose show. They did on Rod Blagojevich. Do you know who has the Chicago Mayor I? He was indicted anyway. They should indict every mayor of Chicago. Places L.. Honestly, here's a here's the about him. Trying to raise money around campaign time and his campaign manager has unfortunate name Dick Neal was the primary engine raising money, so there was always tension. He needed dictating resented. Time. Buddy. Threes edited Dick at the same time. Well, how much do you need the Dick, well, you know it's. It's GOTTA BE! Even! On this. All my Gosh, all right one more quick one here. This came into us from Joel at our g mail. It's from a youtube. Show called how to barbecue right and we've had this happened a few times on the show where we get a couple of guys who are talking about crawfish or always ends up with something like this keeps you from having to put all that hot seasoning on the outside. All that flavor is going to be in the meat in that head, so we're painting and we're sucking. It's going to be flavor town came. Down, And we're sucking. It's going to be flavor town then. I love this guy. Is going to be the best thing we ever had yeah. I like to Stephen, abby and thrown in there at the end. You hear that. I tell you what I well listen. And that is this week's dishes for line by the way we. We had a lot of people go. What are you going to bring black crime white crime back to the show why? I good way, hope help. People say Miss the game. Day. It's a great game on game. We decided kind of group. What crime? Weak Brig. break from this just for a little while and let things so I'm bringing you a new version of Black Crime Roy Crime and I'm bringing you black hero or White Hero really so gentlemen this week's Game I'm going to give you a story of someone. Who did something absolutely awesome. Okay, tell me wasn't a white person or a black person this instead of dividing each other butter there. You go well George Washington Gardner. All right well. All Right Shaquille. O'Neal so here we go. Story Number One. I've eight stories for you. A black lives matter protesters being hailed as a hero after he came to the rescue of a counter protester who was injured and anti-racism rally in lung, Darbar. Oh Digital The man carried the. Protester to safety saying it's not about black versus White was the key protester who saved the other guy after he got knocked out a black guy or white says he saw its ongoing black guy. You should keep quiet all right. All right that is Patrick Hutchinson. As a black guy. Patrick Hutchinson maybe thought a white. Guy, White Guy's name does all right story number two number two an uber driver. Excuse me gave a a nurse a ride home. I bet he did a couple of months ago. It was a woman, a single mom. She felt inspired to show her gratitude. She started buying Oh God. What was that I was some of this story? Probably because this woman started delivering meals and food to frontline workers over the past two months, she's delivered a thousand meals to local hospital and she started raising money, so she could deliver even more. She's delivered up to thirty five hundred meals three months. The frontline workers that is fantastic that a white lady or a black lady. John You WanNa go I I will go an African. American lady okay, she killed. Eating! Your way here. I only got uber like. Our Day. You can't eat before you get to the station. Read this must be. Really. John DOE complaining because you brought to lose white woman. yeah, this is Tammi Smith a white. Jasmine? Was the listening to the clues. What are you saying? If you've got a large family. We got a feed family I which means they're going to be a lot of food to give away. Okay, okay all right all right. How many kids do I was GonNa? Say Man who. Of their part, two of the above story, okay, okay, so we know the TAMMI. Smith so white lady on on Mother's Day, should the mother of two was invited to be on a featured popular talk show where she was gifted, a brand new ECO friendly car reward for all her kindness was the hosts. They gave her a car, a black lady or Whiteley. Why. But all right chefs GONNA say black? The she was given this car on a show called Red Table. Talk With J. D. Banks. Smith and that's likely to give those johnny come on man. All right story number four the owner of New Jersey frame shop has been unable to open and operate his business since late March, so he started taking trips to the grocery store over five, hundred free for his neighborhood seniors and delivering them groceries, keeping spreadsheets as he waits, three opened his store, so the guy delivering free trips to the grocery store for senior citizens, a white guy or black. Black. I say White Guy. Johnson get back in the Game Greg. Daily White Guy. Guys Job Johnny all right, I, mean come on now the okay, they're showing. Almost lost them telling you all right well. It's three to as we go to story number five. A San Antonio nurse made her way around her covert unit. She was worried that her nurses. We're going to run out of supplies, so she started to design her own ninety five equivalent mask. Well, it turns out. She was able to design and even better mask that fit better had more breathable room and filtered out more harmful chemicals. She was featured all over the web. Fox News and the New York Post ran stories on. This woman is the nurse who built the better mask, a black lady a white lady. Shock! Okay. She's a white lady. Gay Shaquille. You're listening to the clues. Clues this is Tommy Austin. dtm Twenty twenty is the name of the mask she designed, and she's a black lady. Black Lady! Tommy, Austin. Trying to make some better. What. Wait a minute. Example, right. I'm looking at the hannitized. Hawk and make it better how? Since Strawberry Cherry Blueberry great and you're saying. No I'm saying. We always look stuff and. Stuck to a mega better. Creative man, he's saying he has ideas. Dammit, and you'RE GONNA. Listen to all right well so far. We got a four to shack for many of us. Story number six digs long time to build good exercise. Habits with gym's closed around the country. Fall off, but the owner of the be strong Jim in Bloomington. Illinois allowed his members to sign up more than forty thousand dollars a workout equipment to use at home. What free of charge while he was closed down for the quarantine and the lack battle. The lockdown over eighty members took him up on the offer to take Jim, acquitted -ment home. Exactly Right Was this a The Guy who owned this white guy or black guy. Allowed all of his nauseous to take equipment home with them. Be Strong as a black name but I know brother. More more beloved, the brothers like Even time saying black man, you're gonNA. Save Black Man. This was drew witted a white man you. Drew. I knew. Guy, what you said drew hasn't been a black man named drew. Ever named drill. They never named Andrew. It's the one name the lobby I'm going to challenge you on that I. Bet you our listeners going to give you something okay, so the end of the day tomorrow night a couple more here. Toronto man created a company called. 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He's devoted his spare time to wandering the alleyways and streets, so he can treat the pet, and then of homeless people have homeless people have pets like a lot of homeless guys that have like a dog. How do they need them? I don't know I'm just saying I. See a lot of homeless guys with dogs. Neri in treating their animals, because they obviously don't have the means to treat their pets. Oh, my God he's helped and saved more than four hundred animals isn't a white man or a black man. Never seen a black veterinarian in my lap and we'll go WHOA. Mix Stuffing. Dr To toys. She she. Works on dogs, cats toy delegated toy casts I'm saying shacks racially insensitive I think he's black Dr. Quyen Stewart is a black man who Racist sows on you, but I've never seen one, but. Let Black people be veterinarian. Is Put on the news. Say so far in this country. Black Veterinarian Laud. Sit ups. Charlie bird real. Italian around. Dogs. Haitian Week! Big PODCASTS was shocking gene dot com. 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Shaq talks about Antonio Brown, pranks calls Papa Johns executives and plays a round of Zero-to-Political on The Big Podcast with Shaq

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Shaq talks about Antonio Brown, pranks calls Papa Johns executives and plays a round of Zero-to-Political on The Big Podcast with Shaq

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Wherever every one of those stutters and you gotta drop I'll yeah we have it on the reading the Reading Rainbow on the writing these days so a couple apple people say that it sounded like what's his name from caddyshack when he's when he's putting Chevy Chase Oh yeah the better than that was so fun and you are gay? Why are you funniest? How I'm as we know people? You're not messing led tame one America America's yeah now. Are you know who who is gay was getting you I if Rockland Alex Alex hold up especially with this show yeah no joke we we have a very large variety of topics bringing to an second here jump all but one story. I didn't bring up last week that I thought was the most entertaining story of the week that I found after we taped the show Hasbro toys okay now owns death row records the head shack in first of all. How did you not by death? Row Records won't everything so pro was by there's no so they bought they bought a company called entertainment one for four billion dollars so they could get the rights to a bunch of different toys like pj masks and all all this stuff but entertainment ones also music label. They've owned death row since two thousand thirteen so when they bought that company for all the toys well now Hasbro who's notorious for Mr Potato head and monopoly owns death row now to there's a whole new thing now there you can have they're gonna they're changing some of the games all the new toys more changing again now like in the game of life <hes>. There's like a drive by you might have there might be a drive by you can have that then. They said plus too you. You have a second car for the baby's Mama Baby Mamas in the car online love. I'M NOT GONNA lie. I never thought one of the the dope is labels in rap history beyond by Tony spurlock has look for Atlanta ball who got the money we will you to pick one for a WHO got the money everybody from death row who added on whereas tableware money should then gaining dri driven yeah I mean it's him who have people's estates. It's too like I'm he are. They like is often. Trust like you gotta think someone stuffs entrust. Possibly you know what I mean well. No I mean because you most people shack back. I'm not I'm not wishing anything like this. Whatever have you gone? They don't do it okay. Let's see what if a guy my name Mikhael <unk> Neil <hes> got hit by a bus okay there would be then there would be a trust that would be set up so we're gonNA state some people. I believe I guess but I'll tell you this. death-row you talk about their great American success stories at that eight one of the greatest American success stories that's ever been oh for sure it is one of the great American people want to do exist for the correction. You can tell you this that is an everybody wants to study things in business and everything if you don't study that story and you don't think I think that there are there are stories of people making something out of nothing in this country and becoming billionaires. That's a frigging great story and everybody in Business School should look at it owned by a toy and entertainment now the three goes closer Michael Jackson Music Michael Jackson birthday he would have been sixty one day. Yes the greatest entertainer maybe ever so he's not. He's the greatest artists ever. I love him. His Is this music music art one of the best of one of the best of all entertainer though I think the best enter the total package okay no pun it it takes Oh God is saying is very on Youtube because everything's got four ads in front of it now just Jackie you buy some shock when you buy Youtube. I really want you to remove some of these ads murder. That's all you can you you can win. The best songs not know strawberry how crazy Holloway what about beat it and all right sorry despite the rejection Michael Michael Michael. Everybody knows the dance from thriller. Actually nobody knows the dance from thoroughly thinks they knows the celebrities all celebrities you watch oh announcing Michael in the store <hes> <hes> you try to scream all stop your of questions okay. Here's what I as everybody Tara takes when somebody dies Elvis dies a to pasta. Is Everyone always suspects. They're not really dead. They faked their own might go nobody ever suspended. I've never heard one person go. You know what Michael Jackson they faked. Ignite go. There was a whole lawsuit with his doctor and everything doctor was in court and all that I mean I think if he was faking his own death you wouldn't have seen any this has happened on general hospital many. I'm sure it did Helena Casson. I enjoy Stefan went to prison. I'm sure but for killing his mother she was the life the government gives you two billion and your wife and you can do what you to Bahamas but you can never leave again to figure which gone they changed to two million motoo billion. Gosh fake my death. Yeah you can all go. I guess what though I want live coverage my funeral I wanna hear I wanNA hear how you don't want to hear this say. They don't don't hurt funeral goes. You don't want to hear that happened on. I four hundred thousand what I had to stop going through the airport. All people tell me about your own life you now I had stopped going to the airport and then fly private go to the airport. I'll just be sitting trying to get away. Let me tell you about that Jon. Can I would suggest to you you always tell me who who are the John You can't do you say that all the time not old interest complaints yeah. I just say call yeah diapers appropriately. Don't worry about it well. Let's on that note. Let's move on here to jump ball all right so I just got a bunch of random topics. We're GONNA talk about no real order. These we're GONNA kick around some ideas here <hes> NFL football officially kicking off if you had to pick a receiver to build a fantasy team around bay solely on numbers not on character. Do you go Julio. Oh Jones or Antonio Brown Tonio. You're on. I need touchdown. Dan Sue I want Antonio Brown. Okay Tonio Brown knows how to get touchdowns got because it gets them ball. That's the point about that now. Who who I am? I really like say gang fantasy one hundred catch correct. I'm going to be in fantasy hennessy because I gotta go gets in the end zone and I got a guy he's Antonio Brown is going to by the way if he gets thirty two catches this year. He is the best best pass catcher for this decade and it's going to be the best pass catcher for a decade ever and that includes Jerry rice he needs thirty two catches in two thousand nineteen <music> receiver playing fantasy. No Mumbo Jumbo Jack and I can't say that anymore. He's GonNa say because member you can't use you can't use that. That's one of those terms we play last week and last week's Game Mumbo jumbo so you're just you're just doing it. I liked beetlejuice dragon con here in Atlanta last week black gay pride at the same we'll scanning report later on from be dug co first off to it lands why in Atlanta Atlanta Black Gay Pride Ball with okay well. Why don't we have black gay pride? What what can what can you black folk hero stuff on? Why can't we just have guess what excluded no? What I'm saying is gave proud weekend? I think it was very inclusive. I saw White People Asian People Black People Hispanic people what Atlanta here the Black Mecca okay why black people have an exclusionary event. Yeah Freaknik wasn't exclusionary event. Yes no it wasn't I got stuck in those traffic jams. It's very inclusionary. I'm like sitting there to traffic and I'm here report and I'll tell you this much when they got off. The Hood of the car say there was nasty nasty stuff going on car. I missed FREAKNIK freight Nikolas mayor. If you want to change the Shag Chimerical Papa John's say something I love takes takes on a whole new tenor though attached to it positive we can make it up to be positively people having sex on loads of not a shack. Oh man not a check. Now we do that behind closed doors. No six on hoods of cars. Come get your Papa John's right now. Okay all right. We're speaking of all these conventions. What convention have you ever gone to or? Would you go to you. Have you ever done a convention for anything. You've been the COMECON the real compromise Diana go oh Susanna dying COMECON I I saw Caluzzi who's at some collegiate girl from game of thrones which one <hes> <hes> she's the dragon she the hot one that I like short haircuts here. She was the bitch sister I the move. Maybe this girl but she's gorgeous hair. There is a by the way there in US is there is a general hospital convention. Every July. God there is every on the sheet is their General Hospital Surgeon General Hospital Fan Week. Have you ever been no which is because I know the people you know why because I gotta be with on a series of remember the a beautiful young lady that stage four cancer and she reached out to me yes I. She passed away hobby daughter call. I'm sorry to hear that mostly only buddy gosh wait. Shuttle Hall Cranks Down The show was Oh snow you would just trying to light moment and make it redwoods Darko sat on respect. Oh my God so to say Oh my God that is that's a that's a terrible yeah but you know what good on you for reaching out to her and I know that's a hard thing for a lot of people to do so josh moving on from them the trailers out for the next joker movie Phoenix movies. Don't watch them. I saw the preview for that. Sign me up. It looks it looks great looked awesome semper dark. I guess the question here's who's your all time. Favorite Villain Looks Mugere LEX lex Luger or lex luther. I thought it was like your black people say Lugar Nolan from the Superman lex Luger's arrested wrestler. Let's surveillance Luther Villain Mobile shopping you spit. That's my favorite all time good you know because he because he was always he was always able to talk the way he was and you know what made him a great villain he was Superman's nemesis and he had no powers. That was way smarter than everybody in the room. That's a great to have you in this room. Weekly very favorite villain ask from General Hospital. No from days of our lives Steffano Damara played by the Great Joe Moscow the Phoenix who died on the show like six seven times when he was the Phoenix and he would always come back on watch sister Wpro sports talk radio who carry your ass around for the coveted mount authorities five all afternoon soon man. He's good enough people here would know would have great respect for the Phoenix Okay Stephanie real-life though John Yes argosy in your house. Could you watch. I gotta go into port. Charles got or your Genoa City. WHO's your favorite <hes> fairly fairly reason? I'M GONNA go with Thanos. Thanos is the way he put them hands to God man entity war with chicken or so his two later and I will tell you that just wait because my favorite bag is on the way still doctor doom doc zone dot incoming. He's the fantastic four guy and he's the greatest villain in comic sister in my opinion. Oh my God doctor doom. Does some really dark stuff <hes> we we have a video out this week of <hes> you squeezing your big ass into a smart car check. What was that about those more car? I was Mandalay shack. How did you fit in that car smart car are you saw me getting in the car and the guy at the can opener? Get your ass in that car. McCartney summer drove up did somebody somebody made money off of that or so. I guess my question is known knows really funny driving Alison in Iraq in the back. Oh Jesus now wait a minute now. I know you're 'cause there's no backseat. Oh let's call special much. Thank thank you very much. I guess my question is this. Is this fad going away of smart cars or retired smartcard. Get them the hell out of my way on the roadway place beckoned Gresham. I think <hes> I think no not going to happen no how they rent rent. During the scooters rented a little bikes American Express they rent a little bikes scooters stuff. It's more the next well. That's not a bad idea. Are we allowed to do a central sensitive. You can't if you want to say let's insert senselessly sense Sorry Arabia. The music gets right onto me here. Okay well. Let me find you the music I used to have it a surprise Johnny Magic suggest to you as we talk about smart cards there. I told you many times before if you're in a four cylinder or if you're in any car that has a leaf on it. Get the hell out of my way in the left lane. Don't belong there when your parents allow you to drive a real car. Maybe you can drive with the big kids but I would suggest this to why why in the world are employers malls and even battery Atlanta where we work. Why are we setting up prime parking spaces for people that plug in their cars cars to give them free electricity to drive their car? Do we have spots at the beginning of the garage in perfect location for people to come and get free gas no because other car right back. Why are we know wasn't money here paying for someone? If you have an electric car you should have to swipe your credit card. Get Electricity to charge your damn car. Why are we giving people with electric cars free electricity? Do we get free gas out. No no we don't give free gas at when you come to work get those stupid ass plugging cars out of the best butts put them in the crappiest part of a parking garage and then let them add their free electrcity by the way don't put it undercover either so that way if it rains we may start defending the heard a little bit. I'm just saying John by the way now the CEO of Exxon Mobil apparently your whole by the series. Why are we giving people? Why would we give them to have the best butts then why would why are we giving them free? I'll look because they haven't found a way to make money off it yet. They have gas well but I mean it's. It's just fly know if we would get those damn cars off the road. If we stop giving these people free electricity Chrissy and then they drive in the left lane and they hold us all up John John Has Fabric Society John. I WANNA do a tesla experiment which what's the Tesla Experiment I WANNA buy us. Let me and you're gonNA stay up all night to hookah bar hang out and then we're going to get my car and drive fifty miles and fall asleep and every wakeup go. We know we made I'm telling you does driverless experiments driverless cars. I promise you this living here. No driving would improve in Atlanta. Oh and here we are sitting scares me something out. The fast and the furious scares the the hell out of low while driving in the bold and the other after the Kobe conversation last week we a lot of people say that some of the best games they ever watched in the NBA were shacking Colby. It'll be Lakers playoffs games. What's the best game in any sport you've ever watched winner loose? I'm GonNa tell you the Texas. USC National Championship game. That's that's mine hands down the best football game I've ever seen that's the best you ever saw. Oh my God that game went back and forth and back. There's not a question there's not a question in in my mind forty-one thirty three the Eagles Patriots Super Bowl which went absolutely awesome and patriots come back take the lead at the end nick foles leads leads them to the championship always wanted them. They Strip Brady. It was awesome. It'll always make and I cry every time I watch it. I cry every damn time McGregor. One really really are one hundred thousand regarded made me smile that would make me smile to the Falcons WanNa pulled off the super bowl win. That would have been the best game I ever the best you ever saw that was turned in three or four other east turned into the game. I can't ever watch again. The more you get at your morning coffee. Dunkin donuts or starbucks Dunkin donuts Kramer call for your very awesome too but I don't drink coffee but I get my own sweet to see me every day and I have a Dunkin Donuts Cup because I don't have a crispy cream near me and when shack really gets a crispy cream here in the Hopkins Spice Thank. I've never done man okay. How ever minute maneuvering starbucks is the medicine ball? Let's that it is. I just want to no one saw and I was getting a cold. I took some both better. It made you better. What is it herbs and stuff? I don't know what it is the most from starbucks so it must be lea running. I run up Iraq before you. You're fine with it. Roco local not ingredients master. He's a master of many domains. Obviously my hoes illegal. I'm good and it's not my favorite surges. Pepsi telling rocks rocks skirt dropper was alright. That's enough got some charm. Women are women are not immune Dirac the rock charms or Joanne. I'm telling <hes> and view <music> I one last one here in in a in a jump ball and we'll move on our buddy. Jason is bell the singer through this on twitter. What's the worst thing you've ever spilled in your car? I'm GonNa give you a few of the people that responded respondent him. Jason is bells was a full pint of baked beans that he spilled this car. Others were a court of Sauerkraut and exploded twelve pack of Dr Pepper in a bag of flour. Oh God that is terr- flower gets in Sawyer Goldman drive when I left some milk one of my Mercedes. One of my favorite cars had to trade that wasn't <hes> spoiler spoiler alert spoiler alert. It wasn't melt spoiler alert area. I would say to you that Robin you you may or may not because they make fun of me about this all the time. There's no you don't unless you're me with a capital. We don't eat or drink in my car anyone. You don't know that John You are the worse to stop with all that crap tonita drink in my car. I eat and drink in the car constantly drink all the time. No you can have something to drink Doni. The car car constantly really always running around man house usually large piece in the car eating down the road. There's probably French fries under for my seat who knows when we were going into the radio station. One day Shannon had like a two giant things ice tea stopped short and all over everywhere car everywhere everywhere sticky ice tea boom all over <music> sticky ladies and gentlemen if you got any topics for for us to recover and jump all just send 'em over to the big podcast with shack at g mail dot com. SPN's woody pages ages putting down the chalkboard and picking up the MIC for the woody page podcast on podcast one came to me and said I'm thinking about taking this job with the NFL network. What do you think and I said take it because you could always come back to newspapers? I can tell you Jim Saccomano vice-president with the broncos. I remember going looking. Look at me like I was crazy. I can you must stay drop the jock and download new episodes of the woody page podcast every week on apple podcasts and podcast one farmers insurance insurance knows that there's a not so subtle difference between the sound of a car hitting your rear bumper and the sound of a clown car hitting your rear bumper sorry about that the balloon animals and my information we call that a three ring fender bender and we covered it at farmers thing too because they've to click for more a underwritten by farmer's truck fire insurance and affiliates products unavailable in every state law. Are you know that means that music means we're getting ready for weekly. Pick him charity contest brought to our friends at bet online dot. Ag for week two of the NFL well in fact Rob Adam B.'s joining us for this. What's going on Adam? Be What's up buddy. Hey goes not much. I I'm sure sure you guys were jamming now allies back yeah busy time of the year and then everything else starts kicking off soon as well you know basketball and hockey and college basketball so nfl the big one but <hes> yeah. It's always a crazy time of year sound like you've got a little bit of a Canadian twinge to you there do do you do where you from Wrigley from the Montreal area. Okay okay. I heard I heard that John up right away each week. Everybody everybody can follow along at Hashtag sports net challenge. We've got a five thousand dollar. season-long charity contest and Adam be shack has demanded this year that that our podcast went yeah or they're going to be sweeping changes said call the guys for bed online. You get them on the phone. You better get winners every week or so so pay and now remember to we tell people it's not just the NFL the you can use with bet online dot ag. We're talking about NFL college football aw NBA right around the Corner Major League Baseball postseason too right yeah as I mentioned it's just GonNa get more crazy crazier as time goes on once made October comes. Everything's sort of full swing things so it's really busy on our end and <hes> you know you about online. You could basically bet on anything you want right. So you know funny thing the other day I was. I was researching <hes>. I was working late at night and my girlfriend's like what are you doing. I'm like I have to do some work. She's like why said well dancing with the stars is starting. They announced the car so I didn't. I didn't know half the people in it so I was like so I was. I was researching it and you know obviously Ray Lewis and a couple of people that I I knew they were but I was like who the hell are. These people then so anyways he's wants you research we we put up odds and stuff like that we put up a whole bunch of <hes> sort of exotic <hes> props for for the NFL all this season stuff like well. Gronkowski ended up playing for the Patriots at some point. I mean how many players will get arrested. <hes> bet on that. That's a line this. That's a line you better be up researching this stuff that you can visit bet online dot. Ag and don't forget that Promo Code podcast one spell it all out O. N. E. At the end for your fifty percent sign up bonus. It's bet online dot. Ag Your online sportsbook experts Adam. Can we run our week two picks by you and just sort of get a feeling about what you think of these teams sure Rob Rob. I'm GonNa tell you one right here. Go ahead and last year. The Patriots Patriots got beat by the Dolphins. Remember that amazing finish yeah okay. The Patriots are at the dolphins this week. Oh they ain't gonNA have Tom. Brady is going to crash. He's going to crush crush them like a bug still plays for the dolphins. The question actually lost like half their roster Adam without giving us a thumbs up on the lock but we're making that are lock. I mean Brady's not go two years in a row but he gets embarrassed by the dolphins I would I would tend to agree with you <hes> patriots or one of those teams that we always take a lot of money on so we're going to be Dolphin signed signs of book but you're right. I think <hes> you know after last year with that was a game with the laterals right yeah yeah yeah I remember watching that and and actually had the dolphins that game so happy that they do the Baltimore Ravens have a home game against the Arizona Cardinals and Kyla Murray and and the <hes> you know they're coming into town Arizona one of the youngest and I think worst teams in the NFL going into Baltimore. Baltimore's defense is GonNa make them look stupid. These are both interesting teams because you know to sort of I wouldn't say <hes> Baltimore's quarterback rookie but you know he's still not established. Sometimes you get guys that just you know He. He did pretty well last year when he played but who knows how he's GonNa he's GonNa play and then Murray. I mean these rookie quarterback's quarterbacks. You never know they could be hit or miss. <hes> I think Arizona's one of those teams that if if he does panel they actually probably will have a decent season but you're right. I mean they have some good players but I don't know if there defensively had the Baltimore I don't think Oakland can score with Kansas City and can trade scores ars with Kansas City. I like the chief so I think Mahomes legit and Z P candidate this season is he one of the top. MVP prospect right now yep. He's the favourite obviously there's other guys in there like Brady and and a couple of guys around Yeah Carson Wentz and actually Carson taking probably the most money for P. Wow yeah happy with that as an eagles fan very happy with that there's a lot of eagles fans around so I will always take more money on some teams. I call the public teams like the Eagles steelers <hes> <hes> the cowboys those type of teams so whenever you have odds up on players those games or the odds when the Super Bowl will always see a little running on those guys just because there's the bears just because they're sort of nationally kind of based distant. There's in every state for those teams. I love the cowboys over the Redskins Raba. We got the Redskins Zeke's back back. Let's get bullied bully redskins a little bit and then Houston in their home opener versus. The Jaguars. I mean Houston isn't that division. The whole division is Kirti Wide Open <hes> and <hes> I think especially now that Lux not there they were they were the initial favorites win that division the colts at even money now. They're the biggest underdogs at about five one one player can change everything right yeah for sure and especially that vision I mean it's it's sort of wide open all their season win totals and all their odds when the Super Bowl are all about the same <hes> so that was this is GonNa be an interesting division but yeah I mean Houston should win that game. <hes> you know if they don't then it'll say a lot about Houston season and then I think if they if they can't beat those teams in their division and they're going to be in trouble quality this year and I love to Shawn Watson but one thing the day we're taping this. Atom is the day that the news broke about about Antonio Brown being suspended by the raiders. Has that changed anything for you guys are like can you take lines on. Will he play this year or like. What's what's what's up in related to Antonio Brown right now? Yeah it's funny. You say that I'm not GONNA put up odds on how many games will play this. Okay Okay and what what's the line line. Do you do now. I I was raised before I called you guys. I was <hes> actually looking into that. It's those things are hard to do from an oddsmakers in science right. There's like Scotts on this right right. Just Kinda want that you know past suspensions and and how long will they do it and I still need better and clearer <hes> look at what they're actually he's being suspended for and why I know why but but <hes> you know these are tricky ones and we put them up for people to have fun with of course yeah if you put up a proper whether he's GonNa end up in a padded cell might bet that one sees because it's crazy right on hey check out Adam be and all the guys at bed online dot. Ag Use the Promo Code podcast one spell it out for fifty percent sign up bonus bet online dot ag your your online sportsbook experts. Thank you Adam. We appreciate your time today. Buddy appreciate them and I hope you guys <hes>. We're not contest. We're GONNA have shacked act to answer that care about anybody all right. Thanks guys are John Before we get to borderline <hes> while you were waiting for you to arrive arrive before last week's show we had some time and shack decided it's time to make prank calls. We talked a little bit about this last week but we wanted to play this week so he gave me the number for the director of diversity and inclusion for Papa John's and wanted me call her and say what happened all the white people in this company and it of course is in good spirits. It's all in good fun and with Papa John's permission <music> <tone> <music> Hi Victoria not okay. I was pasture number. I was trying to trying to work on a complaint here and I don't know who to talk to. They kind of sent me your way. Are you the director of diversity for this company for Papa John's and you yes I lead diversity. Okay what's going on with all the shack stuff. I feel like I feel like the company has moved away from from including in white people in anything anymore and I don't know what the Hell is going to be all about Papa John's and now all of a sudden. I'm being told that I'm not included in all this that that shacks the face now and it's like you get with the new culture or you get out and trying to explain this to my kids. I don't know how the hell explain this to my kids and they sent your number to talk to you so I don't. I don't know if you can help with any of this but I I like. I'm at ends here. I don't know what to do well. I I'm sorry are you feel that way. That is not the culture direction of Papa Johns. I mean you outfit the White Guy so can you before we could do you. Can you give me what's your name like did you. You didn't work for Papa John's right. You just saw that complaint that you feel excluded Ah yes. I'm a customer okay. What's your name? John Kincaid John Kincaid okay so are you. Do you have like a like the restaurant been rude to you or someone and been rude to you or excluded you from something as a customer as a customer. No I just feel that the entire direction of everything that that's being put in front of us is moving completely away from like I I'm I support my community and all that stuff and I'm from the northeast corner of Atlanta and everything was cool and then everything changed and I just don't I don't understand stand why everything just changed move completely away from from what was traditionally because it was everything was great. I mean I used to like Papa. John's semen the commercials commercials like Peyton Manning and stuff and now it's like none of that but the brain is about the pizza and product you still like the product I'm fine. You know it just. It just feels like I'm not being included. That's all I want. I would love to make sure you feel included. If you love the product because that is ultimately with this brain is about is the pizza. It's not about any individual. It's about our team member. It's about our franchisees eighty percent for insights company and it's about bringing people together around great product. It's it's a no way excluding you and if you feel that way I I hate to hear that and would love to figure out what makes you feel included. They changed the number to like four for seven of shock or something so now at the dial his name just to get pizza. You have hard feelings towards the Keel. I'd never related to them. I mean I don't. I don't look at him as like a guy that I want to hang out with I just I don't understand what happened. Good old-fashioned Shing White Pizza. It's just gone wow Victoria we got you. This was not my cup in spite job Victoria. I feel very included in this company. I love you Victoria. Sorry she refused blood all day. 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Jackson doing an interview for the robocop remake when it came out and the news anchor mistakes member somebody else completely. Did you get a lot of reaction that super bowl commercial. What's over Boca merger? Oh what I've my mistake I. You're as crazy as the people on twitter. He thought he was Fishburne. I know that was my fault. You know what I am. I own the banking. Thank you for it. Wow Samuel Jackson and Laurence Fishburne they. I look alike you know they all put up a side job. Close Close Hype Down Rock type down. Don't tell you gotta be quiet in your life. I'm eight hundred fifty miles away. He can't beat my as well on smoke looking back soon. Upjohn's hit me in the face was the reason I we kicked off the. NFL this past weekend this one comes to us from the San Diego chargers preseason game a couple of weeks earlier in the Seahawks Todd L. and grist at the g mail. This is amazing Spiro deedes. This spirit DIS SPIRO DITA's. He's the he's GonNa play call. Oh here of Chris Pesach a big Chris pay sack late in the game. I do not understand this at all Smith and he is piece. What Daddy Twos preseason SEC total is his Co.? I have never I've never heard that I swear to you. Spirit is okay. Oh my God that spirit. That's what your agent felt like when he had the calls afterwards. Oh my gosh that is incredible shock. Have you ever heard that expression. Well no dick well. Let's go somewhere and I decided to it okay. Let's let's end up with a very random one very random but funny. This is Willie at our g mail. These two gentlemen on Youtube are trying to repair a channel L. Drain and they're just hammering away at it and I can't get in there with anything else but this but you can see how much it's contacting yeah will you can do now is come behind me. Start filling it in all the way up to the top and win that is awesome. What a blank was that random all my gosh all right? That's this week's edition Asian of borderline unbelievable. We'll have a new game for us this week. Okay we've never played this before it comes it comes to us from our friends at the woody this show in Los Angeles. They're letting US borrow his game okay. I'm GONNA it's called zero to political now. Shaq has an advantage. It's the woody show okay. That's not me. Let's be honest right this game of a built in advantage. It's called zero to political okay. Here's what I do. I'm GonNa give you a story that has absolutely nothing at all all to do with politics it will be one of your jobs at each question to guess how many comments down before someone turned the story politico okay so for instance. We'll do the first one you'll get the hang of this from ABC news the Berlin Zoo is expecting the birth of baby panda soon that was the headline so shack how many comments down until someone turned this political then when he gives his guests John were were lower and then they'll switch so shack goes I how many comments down before someone turned Berlin Zoo having baby baby pandas in political political story we'll go of shacks five comments on higher or lower under I will go under we'll go lower in case uh-huh low which means women that means someone did comments or more comments less less comments for the points actually going to go to to Shaquille O'Neal who the fifth comments bad josh thank God that Panda didn't register thank God that Panda didn't registered Democrat if not they would have to take a right to plan to parents incredible birth of baby pan had someone turned into my medical all right stupid so this next one it'll be for John. Two guests go higher lower. This is from twitter. Blue's clues is returning. It really is the original host. Steve Burns's is making a cameo as the show comes back okay how many comments John Until someone turned that into a political story seven all right John's GonNa say seven colonial higher or lower than seven comments lower. He's going to say lower <hes> it came in at four minutes until someone turned in a political comment says looks like Steve had to drop out of college. He die in from all that Republican debt all my God oh my gosh. This is a great gameboy man great game all right so let's do nothing. Shaquille O'Neal shakes up to story number three from facebook Macaulay Culkin on the news. The Disney is rebooting home alone celebrates his thirty ninth birthday this week Shaquille O'Neal how many comments until someone turned Macaulay Culkin celebrating his thirty ninth birthday a into a political story mode of drugs grew three all right Chaska say three cottle John's is going over on the second comment all my story. That's unbelievable comments. He looks like a baby trump who always home alone because was his wife hates them to comments that is incredible. That's incredible alright so fantastic all right from twitter. This one's going to be from John. Case keenum was named the starting quarterback in the Washington redskins opener against the eagles how many comments mench John Until someone turned that into a political story four Johnson's four shack higher or lower than four comments below so you say lower. It's going to be John Back in the game. It was actually the ninth the ninth comment on what was IT L. O. L. Heal last as long as a White House press secretary secretary. That's unbelievable every single store. This story turns the world. We live in all right three. One Shack story number. I five is going to be for Shaquille O'Neal. This is from Bloomberg hundreds competed in the thirty four th world bog snorkelling competition in Wales. This is where they put their face and they bug and they snorkel and look for stuff so how many comments until someone turned that political shack or we'll five is is this a five on. I'll go under you're gonNA less what's going to be another point. Shaquille O'Neal was the sixth combat and it says looks like you don't have to live in Washington. Intend before being rewarded for burying your head in my Gosh. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable four one shack next story for Mr Kinkaid. This comes comes to us from Google's gamers. Rejoice as Mario Kart tore arrives on Android on September twenty fifth so John Big deal by the way it's cool. 'cause you get to play Mario Kart on your phone. Now Okay so that's the big deal fun game okay. Everybody loves Mario Kart how many comments until someone turned that no political story five all right shack higher or lower than five common Mura Higher Morio Kincaid game again moved move three comments what it was the comment away this nation's going. I'm ready to drive off the Rainbow Road with Mario. Oh my gosh it's unbelievable so that's is going to be four or deranged. Guess Bullard very much so all right <hes> this next one for shack. This is from Gizmodo Disney unveils the I look at the New Star Award show the Delorean at the D. twenty-three experts is going to be the new store show. That's at Disneyworld time on the new star wars show that streaming for Disney Wall Street okay directed by Jon Favreau Story of Bounty Hunter Call today and Delorean how many comments shack until someone turned the New Star Wars show into a political story. The People Love Star Wars. I'M GONNA go. We'll go eight lower. Oh John is back in. I guess what I know why and I know what they they did. They said something about trump using the mandatory into hunt down illegal aliens they didn't but that's that would have been a good one like I would have thought it was the seventh comment and it said Yeah it's because all we need is another show about a guy solving all his problems with a gun want to twenty one thousand nine okay all right well. Hey look four four three as we come down to the tiebreaker. This question's GonNa come for John. This is from people magazine. Okay miley Cyrus debuts a a new break-up Tattoo on stage at the as after Liam Hemsworth files for divorce. This has absolutely nothing to do with politics how many comments until someone made it political political career John says three Shaquille O'Neal for the win higher or lower than three comments and that's going to be a win for Shaquille O'Neal comment and it was just typical Democrat. Oh my gosh the song rob I can't. I can't get over the new I absolutely can't get over. I want you to decipher these legs of yeah. Okay I usually when I see much actual right back. She was say slow bell shut automatic with Mike from front front. She pulled out to be for what the Hell is. She said You WanNa be would you want to say girlfriend. I guess what kind of Girl Fridge twitter thus right not that you wanna that I know John Much <music> Joe Joe Gioia download an awesome little well see that's great filthy filthy filthy. It's not a curse words filthy John. You can never decipher you think you can. That's what makes me so unique matic. She threw me through. What do you call yourself into John? Okay John cleese. I'm talking about a pillow. Oh the minds of people everything I'm talking about when you're getting it from the front and getting it from the bag eventually do it to me at the right back. Beat like a drum won't popped up to pillow. I'm still hitting on a pillow pillow okay. She was saying slow down. Shake shake shake. We're pillow fight and I'm just hitting it can do not bad that exactly absolutely in stomach hit the back. She tried to turn around run. I hit her in the back. Yeah Yeah Tell You <music> checking Ramon low tonight the terrible Gosh Kim make sure she doesn't have Joanna Jeez. The podcasts are shaggy uncle shack singing and twitter before he leaves. CBS Studios in New New York. Thank you so much for the hosting. You'll get me a race raised or an extension to mark Chernoff office before you leave and go get me an extension on the show arrays anything kicked out and rock needs to back you up for a little muscle. Please do it all right see you next week. Shaquille love your okay okay so that's it great ball of the guys on twitter at Shack at John Kincaid and at Rob Jenner's or get more clips and nonsense on instagram and facebook facebook at the big podcast with shack. 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January 2, 2019 WBAI show

The Personal Computer Radio Show

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January 2, 2019 WBAI show

"Today is January two second twenty nineteen happy new year. Welcome to the personal computer show Hanky and my colleague Joe king. A website is PC radio show dot org. We can be hurt each Wednesday at six PM eastern time on PRN dot FM on the internet as well. As on various podcasting hosting sites. WBAI FM New York has were various reasons not been able to be financially self supporting it has to be broadened to a lodge listening audience to continue operation the management has decided do a major overhaul of the program, schedule listeners and viewers are increasingly using the internet to receive the media content on demand, and instead of being tethered to a fixed schedule WBAI has revamped a program scheduled to begin January, the seventh and the personal computer show is not part of that mix. Although we will not be part of the new program. Schedule the personal computer show will continue to be available live on PRN dot FM on the internet. We all regularly scheduled on PRN dot FM on the internet each Wednesday at six PM eastern time. The program will also continue to be vailable on various pod. Casting hosting sites for over thirty five years. We were a coin talkback show your feedback in able us to be in tune and relevant with the changes in technology. WBAI has not had telephone service in the studio for the past three years, and this has constrained the program from engaging with listening audience WBAI will broadcast with a new programming schedule, and it is controlling the program distribution onto other media formats, we will return to our roots. Hugh, the listening audience have been success of the program that potential listening audience on the internet is quite broad and with the ability to control our format and distribution, we will better serve you. Although we apart in company with WBAI joking, and I have had a rewarding association on WBAI. We ask you to continue. To support the station in its new format WBAI present or Ternate of programming. That is not normally covered by the mainstream media. We will start to use different formats to engage you listeners if you find it inconvenient for whatever reasons may be to hear a live broadcast of the personal computer show using a computer you can receive us with just a simple telephone without internet access of frills. Let's say you have as most people now have on his cell phone plan. Unlimited minutes or on the internet service, unlimited telephone voice over IP service with unlimited minutes twenty four seven two off fifty states. You can listen to the program live via your telephone land line or on the internet on Wednesday at six PM eastern time. You don't need the computer to hear the program to call in number two live. Listen is six four one seven nine. Nine three seven zero nine one at six PM eastern time each Wednesday. That's a mouthful six four one seven nine three seven zero nine one. I one of anyone can conjure some kind of anagram or acronym. With those numbers the call in number two. Listen is six full one seven nine three seven zero nine one. We will be resuming listener core in and if you have any questions or comments for us, just send us an Email address to Hank at PC radio show dot org with your name telephone number and Email address, and we will contact you at a convenient time, you can send us a prerecording of your questions and pinions to Hank at PC radio dot org in which we will play back your recording. And at our response to you on the air, if you're just shy we can take your questions. And opinions via Email and address them on the broadcast, and we'll just be anonymous with your name this evening. I am live in the studio. WBAI the station has recently stored seven telephone lines are listener coin. The number coin with your pithy opinions or questions is two one two two zero nine two eight seven seven the number to call in is two one two two zero nine two eight seven seven. Tonight. We are taking phone calls with your questions or your opinions. And this is my final broadcast on WBAI for this new year. Let's do something different to start off the new year. I have reported that Microsoft no longer makes available. The ability to upgrade windows, seven or eight point one to windows ten for free. The first two years of windows, ten releases in twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen in able you to do the upgrade in which you can convert window seven or eight one into a copy of windows, ten for free, Microsoft, no longer makes us vailable online or by special requests. But they haven't restricted copies of windows. Ten twenty fifteen or twenty sixteen to be distributed. At least not yet. It turns out that if you have a matching copy of windows ten twenty fifteen or twenty sixteen available you can still perform the upgrade to windows ten free. After the upgrade windows update online over the next few days would then update that copy of windows ten to the latest version by matching I mean windows, seven home thirty to bid to windows, ten home thirty two bit or windows, seven pro sixty four bit to windows. Ten pro sixty four bits, for example. If you call in this evening will put you on the air live, and you tell me which version of windows ten you need to do a matching upgrade, and we'll send you the matching windows ten. I will personally do the follow. Let's get to a regular broadcast. And I'm dedicating this evening, which is my last broadcast to the listeners of WBAI, and that was the old fashioned way. We did it, and I had a lot of fun. So if you have any comments, you wanna make about WBAI or any opinion about personal computing or even have questions on personal computing, just quote, another two one two two zero nine two eight seven seven, and I'm pleased to have match Mead engineer for me this evening. And if you do call, let them know you name full number and Email address, and I'll call you back, and I'll find out what version of windows ten you want if you wanted and well hope we can enjoy ourselves. I have one more thing. I want to add that if you wish to leave us a message on the telephone with your question or opinion or commentary you can reach us on Google number eight six to eight zero zero. Six eight zero five that's eight six to eight zero zero six eight zero five like I said, we're gonna go through different means of how you can get in touch with us. This is a new age and at the start of the message with an then you start off leaving a message saying, this is for the personal computer show, and we will post this number as well as the other numbers on our website and do that in the next day or two, and I just want to say that anyone who is living in the New York area, especially in queens. You knew what happened last Thursday. I was in the evening. I was with my wife, and she was on the her computer on my computer, and all of a sudden the lights went out in one room the lights went out in another room. We don't know what it was and the whole period was by fifteen seconds, the lights came back on the first thing. I did was I wanna find out if there was any damage. Equipment with his Braunau. I caught it brownout. It turned out that there was a electrical explosion blast with the con. Ed power plant in a story. And fortunately, no one was hurt. No one was injured. That's a good news. But it it did a lot of I I call electrical damage the next day. One of my friends. I had expected to be in town. He was flying in he came by LaGuardia. He couldn't get through because the lights went out. So I said, George how long were you and look Wadi with the lights out. He says it was hours. Well, the press reported was only a half an hour. What probably happened was that? When the lights went out, they probably have to go and recycle the security check again. But what happened was that? If you happen to have a laptop and you plugged in for the AC power. And you had a battery also plugged in being charged. You were in a good position where at least if you're in a witness. Of a windows update. It was still running. But if you had a desktop, you know, what that search protected does not help at all. That was there was a complete loss of power and one person called me up to say, hey, I was in the middle of a windows update. Everything got scrambled. What do I do? Unfortunately, it didn't help him at all. He said that I called up Microsoft, and they said, gee, you have to reinstall the operating system. He says how do I do that? They said, well, you have a hidden partition, you go to the hint partition, and you reinstall the operating system. He said, yeah. But are upgraded from seven to ten. Well, what you do is. Well, then they pose a little and they said you can buy do copy for us for ninety five dollars. He was enraged. So when I talk about having a matching windows ten to give anyone who caused the night, a his the opportune. Unity. Max we have of anyone calling in three caller. Oh, let's tell you what where George John. But no Paulo Ringo yet. I'm mike. I am dedicating this last broadcast of the listeners who had supported us. Thank you. Let's start with whoever you pick. Well, we got Georgia Bronx, George, let's get him here. This is the personal computer show. And I'm so happy to be able to talk to someone on the air. I am really really really sad. That your program. It's not coming on WBZ. My daughter would just Dow twenty something years old. Listen to your program at one two three years old. Wow. And remember the team songs and all that stuff. Well, and she learned because I got into computers and building them herself by your show and the show that was prior to yours. Well, let me put this way. I was told that no one listened to the program anymore. So that's the reason why the cancer, and you know, what if if you say that I'm not gonna argue with you. Because if you'll wrong, you're going to be proved wrong eventually and life is short. And you know, I keep moving on. If I understand totally man gotta keep living keep waking up and just remember, I am still on the air six PM on PR dot FM, and we're going to start taking phone calls there. And if you go to PC ratio dot org, we'll have all those phone numbers posted. And by the way, you don't have to be. There live. You can just, you know, say here's what I want. And we'll call you back we recorded and in insert that core as part of the program to be played back. Yes. Definitely. I will definitely do that is very important for us to be in knowledge about computers and about software and about what's going on today is becoming more important every minute that we wake up and go to sleep well people with cell phones, you know, my mantra, right. Have you backed up? That's it. I back up on multiple drives. Okay. I'm gonna get on next. And by the way, George I just want to tell you that. It's not only a backing up your computer. But you have to make sure that the information you have on the computer such as passwords for opening certain accounts in and a certain website. That information has to be made available to anyone who you know, if you're not around they they can get to it. We'll envelope. Encrypted. Give people to pass for other drives. I like to have the ah tell you give it to. I'm sorry. Just let max know. And he'll just give me a phone or Email. Our contact you directly on I'll make sure I get it to your gate, George. Okay. And happy new year and happy new UC, you have one and please stay safe. Okay. Thank you. I'm taking phone calls. I didn't realize that the phone would be ringing. We're taking phone calls to one to two zero nine two eight seven seven and who's an ex Kuala. Max, right? Actually, have John from Brooklyn Brooklyn. Oh, boy Brooklyn is one of the fastest growing boroughs in New York City and along with queens. It's going to be the probably the two most important boroughs of New York City. Hey, john. How are you doing happy new year and happy new year to you? Yes. Listen, I don't wanna take up too much. I just like to get some information from if you're possibly you could help me. Okay. Trying to find out if the polaroid company is still in the business polaroid polaroid company as polaroid still in business, but it was the trademark and the the use of the good-will name and so on was purchased by an Asian company. And I gotta be honest with you. It's it's. It's low at night him that they're selling. I see. Okay. Because I have a polaroid six hundred camera one-step express and brought it about several years ago. And I'm trying to find out. Where's the best place to go to get filmed for it? Have you tried H B an h no I haven't tried h yet being video and have you done a search online because? I have a computer here. But it's not hooked up. Okay. But being a good place to go. Right. Right. You know of a good age store anywhere, and, you know, maybe in Brooklyn Manhattan. No, this only one big store called being aged locate on ninth avenue and thirty fourth street. Okay. Ninth avenue and thirty fourth street, the NH and by the way, their website is b h photo video dot com. Okay. That's okay. Very good. Thank Eunice, ninth avenue and thirty four street, right? Correct. Okay. Listen, good luck in your future. Endeavors. Okay. Can you leave maximum? He'll pick up the information. If you happen to wanna copy windows, ten okay? Okay. Because I have computers window seven. But it has to be upgraded. And you know, what you like to get upgraded ten for free. All right. Okay. Listen, you take good and max, take the inflammation. So don't hang up. And max is another caller I can take while you're taking down John's information are we have Mike in Manhattan. Mike. Yep. Yes. Mike we in Manhattan, new I'm at ninety seventh street and Broadway, which is near where I live. I'm an old VA. Volunteer like go back to thirty thirty ninth street. Gerson and Whitmore and Vert Haber. Yeah. Yeah. You know, what let me touch your memory. Okay. What was the phone number there? I don't remember to seven nine. Remember, you don't remember? Now. I do remember the output tubes in the transmitter though, you your earlier on the hook. I think that was you. That was me. You said your first machine was seventy one right? First machine was a six fifty nineteen fifty seven. Okay. So you're you're actually I could say you're my generation. Yeah. Absolutely. Like, and I'm still working. I'm sorry. You guys are going off the air. I think no, no, no, no, no, no. On the different venue. Listen, I'm gonna have to line. So don't interrupting I'll keep it short. Because every time you do that turns the line around. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You're going road cast. But I certainly will catch you listening to your podcast anyway. And they're they're they're really terrific, and you guys and the and the thing that the guy comes in whatever name is Dr whatever he does pool. Excellent. Really excellent is home. Do I go ahead? I do have one modest modest suggestion. It is that because I go to NYC resist. There's and the the door group, and you do have a huge number of listeners. I mean, I don't I don't know what the what they're using for for demographics. But I will tell you that the majority of innovators. These days are really not running windows, the running some flavor of Lennox and more and more of them are running some flavor of Android, particularly on cracks kindles. You can buy kindle now for thirty bucks. And I think that that would be an area for you to move a lot of your emphasis to to apps you can run by the way, it's very easy to take any Android tablet. Minor crack it, and you can run Lennox on it, and that would just be my thought I wanna wish you and your all your buddies, good luck. And I'm gonna I'm gonna go QR, tea and listen. Max, though, what your number is. And and. Okay, mike. I just wanna make a a response on that. I have twin fraternal granddaughters and the inter robotics and into a raspberry pi. And they were recently in the national competition for robotics, and these are two young ladies, and they're going to be going into stem. So fully aware that you know, the world is bigger than just windows and a Wessex. Like, my my my answer on that. And maybe it's just a different program. But most of the people that are running raspberry pi are running respiration, which is you know, a flavor of of Lennox and you can run experience on under Android and so on. And I think a lot of us that kinda stuck constantly doing upgrades the windows. I've just been forced the last couple of years. And and the other thing about that. Of course, is that apple is really running BS the Unix most people don't realize that's what the apple operating. Yeah. Most people. So I think a maybe another program or another emphasis or maybe you guys need to find an Android expert or something I think that's an important aspect of future, home computing. It is it is price point is the price point is changed so much from when listen, I I know that there are other people on hold. So I don't wanna be piggy. And max is good to talk to you again. Even though it's the thirty seconds. I go back to the the post fast Josephson days. All right Margo atler as well. Thank you so much in what will be less. Those names so familiar. And happy new year. Mike. Thank you. Okay. Take care who that we have anymore. Why we have two more all meantime, though, in the meantime, limit just give out the number again. It's two one two two zero nine two eight seven seven, and we got a lot of open lines. We repeat that two one two two zero nine two eight seven seven who do we have next max before lad, John from Brooklyn didn't he hung up? He didn't give me his information. Well, if you can call back because I do believe we have a few lines open began a hold of Maxon just give it to him. Okay. Up next. Rocking the casbah Sharif Sharif in queens. All hey, listen. That's that's my turf Asia. Reef where do you live in queens? I live right off of seventy right off Roosevelt avenue Roosevelt, avenues big long avenue. Okay. Third in Roosevelt. Oh, okay. You're you're a near the Jackson heights area hype yet. Yeah. I call the you very much on valuable information. You give an we really appreciate his I'm thanking you on behalf of those who won't get a chance to communicate. Which is I'm kind of slow in with the computers, but learn so much when you just listen to you and fellow hand, you think that was manual. Yes. Emmanuel ghosting, Emmanuel. And I just hope you take. So very good care of your seven eight to see you offer them a listen to you on our PRN. Okay. We have new and forget for all of valuable. Nations. The by the way, I gotta tell you hearing you say that is very heartening and very gratifying for me. Because sometimes when you're in front of a Mike is you don't see anyone, you don't know who's listening. You don't know. And without the telephone. I have no way of knowing if anyone is out there, and I've been told by the management that no one listens. And you guys. You know, what you know, what at the end of the night. I'm gonna take this one hour show and send it to them. My heart is crying, Hank. And you take care of yourself. But I'm going to be hearing you on Theorin. Daren much on behalf of everyone for all dryable information, you give us an in so much over the years. Okay. And happy new year to you sheriff Fatou so much. Bye. Bye. Max, we have another person? Boy, I mean to keep you busy max marry your damn secretary. Okay. Do we have forget it. We have. Getting old from Massachusetts hung up. So we have it was that. Well, let's say this is Diane. Diane. What happened? You know, what I think we? Well, callback see some screen. Call just put somebody on Hulu who much to. Then when they're going crazy. It's not you know, what it is. We haven't taken such a long time. We don't operate. The console our hung up on the guy who wanted the free stuff. I write. Here's his caller number three number three. And whom I have who who had the pleasure talking to. We have a lot of gosta. No one's there. You want? Let me shush thought let's say we start from scratch again to one to two zero nine two eight seven seven and while max getting set up. I do wanna talk about something that was in the news that I'm shaking my head and say, are you kidding? The, you know, sometimes you get this news item. And you say, you gotta be kidding. And what I'm referring to is Mark Zuckerberg? And I gotta read to you what he said a journalist ask them. What are you most proud of in the twenty eighteen year for Facebook? And this was his answer. He's proud of the year. Facebook has had building community and bringing people together leads a lot of good and uncommitted to continue progress in these areas as well come on Mark you've been you have not been completely truthful. Okay. Because there's a news item is out and that news item is. Is probably a lot of surprise. Because you're saying you don't you don't sell the information. But I find that you've been taking information. What was reported by the privacy international study was that anywhere from twenty to thirty four popular Android apps are transmitting sensitive information Facebook without asking permission. And who are these companies that giving you in relation kayak my fitness pow sky scanner trip advisor, and they send the data and that includes the unique Android ide-. And also includes data that goes with it, such as you know, if you're looking to go on a trip travel search engine of kayak, for instance, since the nation flight search data travel dates and whether or not kids might be coming. Come on. That's a lot formation. What are you going to do with it? Now, why are you accepting? If you believe that privacy is a main concern of yours. I don't believe you anymore and should something be done about it. Yes. Who who knows the government? Max we get to one? Okay. What do you wanna get? Oh my goodness. Mike spin on the whole time. Two zero. I'm sorry. The number to call is where Stevie dweeby that when when we need them. Two one two two zero nine two eight seven seven we're taking phone calls and much to my delight much to my surprise. Max is having a real ball time with on on the phone's ringing off the hook. So who do we have next wherever David in Brooklyn? I think David is that you in Brooklyn. Did you bring up the volume? It is the problem. I the phone has to be hung up or doesn't or okay. I can't do both David. Are you there? You calling up the phone? Did you hang up on him too? No, I'm here. I'm hearing, you know, David you've in Brooklyn whereabouts in Brooklyn right now to see train station booklet Milady to get off the train, but not on the L train that hasn't been running for a while. Right. No. The edge in runs decide in Brooklyn stop so to to stops into Brooklyn. They going to be cutting. Okay. So so you have any comments you wanna make you wanna tell me? You do support WBAI, and you like everything that's done. Yes. Yes. In the insurance of full disclosure. Arain does then reboot set up that you given away caught my attention big time. You know, what I knew that would do it? And I gotta be honest. But you know, what I'm glad I did it and before you hang up. Let max know what you want or need is your phone number or your area. They just can't I don't know who it is. Because get one hundred people emailing. You're gonna give today. I'll tell you what David. David. If I see that your address is Canarsie. I know what you'll K. How's that? Okay. That's okay. By the way, you're running windows. Ten and you crash would. No, I have a windows vista. Okay. That that that crashed? I try to back a backup. And I needed windows ten to me back in. By the way, I got to tell you a short story. What happened was that? I get a lot of people coming to me with a crash computers and someone over a Lenovo tea, which is like top of the line and tasha strengthened on that one of the t- models. And what happened was that? He was in a windows update, and the whole thing scrambled, and he lost everything on it. And when he called them, Microsoft, Microsoft said to him, you know, hinder hint partition, then help or so what I did was I put a generic distribution of ten to put on his system since I had his product idea underneath the laptop underneath it. And the problem with the I'm gonna tell you what the promise. Okay, the prom. Is that on the generic distribution? It does not have the Lenovo specific drivers. So the first thing that says you need a down. Unload drivers for this Lenovo laptop, and we suggest that you go online to do it. You know, what the problem was? Right. I need to even that drive is the go online. Boy, these people they should to some usability testing. That was that was catch twenty two squared, right? And what you should do by the way is fine. A buddy that given the model number and him. Having downloaded drivers for you to help you just in case you need it. Okay. Because what I'm going to what brand to use your item for is still recovered data. That's on that PC that put aside and border a new system. Oh, can I tell you how I did one person? It took like less than ten minutes to do it. Versus I took. I took the drive out of his laptop put it into an external enclosure, and I plugged it in as an external drive picked up all the information from over there. Okay. So again, you have a bunch of people calling in. I wanna say this. I wanted to drive their windows ten system from you. But I wanna add something more and to answer your fool squished in a little more. Clearly, okay. I'm happy with everything that's going on. No, no. No. No, no. I I am sixty four years old would be computers five years or six years. I you have given me so much have a gentleman call like two or three dollars and that he's pretty much me. And he got so much assistance from you over the years, and I'm very very disappointed that of all changes they've made at the station. This seems to be hitting me at all regularly. I'm lifted into show x at gonna be going show. Why that's going to be gone and and your show on Wednesday evenings in the. Yeah. The phone off the hook chill, by the way, who would who lessons the radio anymore. I thought I was out there just me. And I know they that even I can't get any more. I'm like, very very very upset. And I support this patient because there is no other station like the UP. I'm sorry. The. He used to be good station years ago. Send me an Email. I'll get a copy to you. But now I have to ask you what version you're running and all that now a work it out with. Okay. And I thank you for your support. I thank you for listening. And you'll really, you know, you you bring me a warmth because I was told no one listens anymore. Crazy. Do there was one other thing with okay? Yes, please. You mentioned something today about P R, and and P R dot FM. If you WWW dot P R, N dot FM if at six pm on Wednesday on live on other hours. You can download the podcast. Okay. Okay. Fee. Don't Ordina podcast. None at all. And if you go to PC radio show dot org, that's a website. I'll give you audience formation along with all the phone numbers. Okay. Veterans to start with radio dog PC radio show dot org. Okay. I will go there. I think I've been there once before I was made one get one special bonus memberships they seventy five and get Turnage stuff from you years ago. They will let me wish happy new year to you. You guys have a good time. Thank him. I'm only on Sundays listening to all time radio to more needs to before. But I enjoyed the shadow of these his kids K because joy, joy ni- guilty of one thing that was pointed out to us. We oughta genera NHS. A bunch of fools, right? Well match you tell you. There's a lot of energy still left in me. Okay. Okay. Take care and happy new year. Okay. I don't know for Matt. Okay. Max who's the next caller? Well, if they didn't get frustrated and hang up we have cast in Minneapolis, Minneapolis casts. Hello, hang cash. Yeah. You're. I gave many talks in Trenton. Yes. This is the. Book deal, isn't it? Right. Yeah. And what I what do you do in Minneapolis, you suppose jersey the going to stay there? You'll get all their and our daughter lives fear, and she wanted us to come. So in the moved here. Are you moved permanently? Yeah. We are trying to sell our house in New Jersey. You know, I've been to Minneapolis number of times or remember was the connecting buildings, and I asked why the buildings all connected, and they said because when it snow you can go in the building and you can shop at the same. And I actually listening to you Google home. How many right? Yes. That's one of the things. I do want to say is that Joe had wanted me to say that you know, if you have a internet radio, you can also get the show. I says, no, no, that's all fashioned people can use the Amazon echo and. And and those Eunice act as internet radio Andrew things sell for like thirty five four dollars a month for twenty nine ninety nine. No annual fee and place where we stay free wifi. I connect to the wifi and talk to shoot. And I thank you for calling. Let me wish you and your wife happy. Thank you, take care. Happy new year to you max, do we have any more 'cause? I can't I can't take people's requests for software and do the phones engineer. I I did not realize we'd get a response like this. All right. So we got the last thing I believe Ossining go. How are you? Hey, how you doing? Yeah. This Ossining upstate. I quote upstate. Okay. New york. Kind of everybody says the county the next on here from the city has nickname too, right? I'm sorry Ossining has a nickname. Also. Syncing, isn't it? I'm sorry. What was that? His nickname that is somewhat negative by calling sing-sing. Yeah. Yeah. The last actually the same thing here was the last place to use the electric chair on that was many many years ago, but you know, who invented electric chair, right? No, no idea Thomas, Edison. Oh, look at that. To prove a point that DC electricity can be used vase e. Right. Do you have any? We're talking about technology. Maybe I guess the main reason why called here today. I I guess to go, you know, they got talking earlier, I really appreciate although formation that you know, which is years through the to the station that listen to frequently. So you're thank you for that. You know, everybody at the station. I listen to it all the time winning time two things that I wanted to mention when you were talking about Microsoft earlier on the windows operating program criticizing a little bit. I I agree. I'm twenty seven years old, and I've had the good fortune of living through this microchip revolution in I feel very lucky, and I feel like a big mistake that they made here. I remember I had windows vista. And I transitioned into into more force was forced the transition into the new windows ten. Which is the last time that I use really Microsoft. And to me it felt like they were trying too hard, you know, to to appeal to to to Lena millennials and the younger younger generation. Twenty seven you are a millennial. Yeah. But that's how that's how I you know, I saw it. And I saw like. There were you know, trying way too hard. You know, I feel like there's other companies that have you transitioned a lot better. You know, I feel like the transition into windows ten and the whole like tablet and a look. The let let me let me say something. Okay. You know, everyone talks about an operating system. You talk about Android you talk about Lennox. And so on. The the the real thing you should be looking at is the applications that you need the operating system is only window-dressing if you don't have the necessary applications the run on it. It's very little value. I'll give you an example, K one reason why links has not taken off. It's like one point four three percent of the installed base. Which is like nothing is it doesn't have all the necessary. Applications I'll give you one right now tax preparation. It's coming up. What do you do for tax preparation? They say, well, you can go you do online. But if you happen to you know, you know, you have a four one K or anything like that you got to do some movement on and you gotta pay some taxes on it. The the the online program from turbo tax don't work. Well at all. In fact, the won't worry. So just remember one thing most people concentrating on the operating system. I asked. People think more about the application what you need to run that's more important than the operating system. Okay. Yeah. I just I just didn't agree with. I guess the appearance of the United was tried to make things very acceptable. And in the process is very inex-. Okay. Let me try to pick up a couple more calls before I have to sign off. And I just wish you happy new year. And I thank you for being a supporter in the past. And we'll meet again, just go to PRN dot FM. And you can continue to talk to me on it. Okay. More. Thank every time. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Max who do we have next? Well, we're going to move Joe up. We're pushing Joe up driving around the airport. Oh difference. It makes a difference. Okay. Hey, Joe what airport is LaGuardia. Newark all is it JFK. Or is there JFK right now? Oh, I was free to ask. You are you an LA? No, no, no, no threats real radio. Okay. How can we hope you? Why just figuring it? I'm also I'm also in that mandate bracket bracket, I'm twenty eight years old say that I do into the show and fire me to buy a windows PC. Instead of the MAC that I've been operating on like still get my friends making fun of the fact that I have a PC, and what you just said about the window dressing, something they don't seem to understand the ally relations Moto chop. Yup. It's the applications. If you got the locations that, you know, that's that's what's important. I agree with the previous caller sentiment that I. Although sometimes the operating system is is getting in the way because trying to be so cool and like accessible that it's annoying. Oh, yes. I think that one of the biggest fault of windows is that you can change all the with all the change parameters you can make so you can design it the way you like it. It's maddening because if you want someone to help you figure out what you did this caller, you got moved to the, hey, you change con here. You you move the mytalk uments to an external drive and so on. You drive people crazy. You gotta have some degree of standardization. Yeah. And I got one technical question. I have is hopefully. All I want to really run Photoshop. I'm a graph zairo straighter. You I constantly need updated processor and graphics Carter's. Shouldn't it be that an I five in two thousand seven with capable of doing it? So why still need an I nine processor and like simple update versus let me give you a hint on what you can do. Okay. Go to the website P A S S M A. Arcade dot com, Passmore dot com and go to CPU benchmarks. And then you could see the relatives of speed of one processor to another and from my point of view, if you don't get a three to four times improvement, or it's only incremental in other words, if it's only ten percent faster. That's nothing. Okay. But if it's like three four five times ten times faster, then you have to say what is your time worth? And that's the way. I look at it. Yeah. All right. Cool. Okay. And. Thank you for calling and a happy new year to you. And I think we've got. Okay. I gotta watch my time because I maybe take one or two more quick. 'cause who do we have next mex-? Well, we're moving to the Bronx for our last. Call raymond. I Raymond in the Bronx. Okay. You'll Yankee fan. Is this Raymond a from the Bronx? How can I help you your time? So so sad, you guys leaving haven't haven't been listening to you guys for like, you know, years and years, and I think I've listened to you for about three years and stuff, and this is something that happens every time he has fund drive, you know, because other programs of one way to you know, pretty Juliana nano had. Shanna will be back, by the way. In a week. Raymond got to tell you the one reason why in the last year, I was just reluctant to come up with any premiums because they don't have a premium processing system and people would complain that they were not getting their premiums. And then and the general manager say they didn't make a donation and yet when I ask people to give me a the confirmation slip. He says, oh, I didn't get to slip. So the that the thing is it reflects on me not on him. And that's why I just say look, I I've had enough of this. And that's one reason why perhaps they say, you know, they say that no one's listening. But I think it's has to do with fundraising. Okay. All right, Raymond and actually house going add on I have an Acis laptop. I got from Toys R Us, you know, God rest toys R us. They'll close down got in two thousand eleven and I'm gonna I'm gonna up here. I'm going to get a new one this year. But that you know that one I got from old. I think windows, very well. Okay. One more call and all yeah. Yeah. Let me max need your show. Very good to. I love max means radios. Well, max, okay. And happy new year. Let me take this one last call because I want to run a segment on we is radio today as a sign off. Okay. So maximum who's last call we have Jack in the Bronx Jack in the Bronx. How can? Oh, I'm so sorry to hear. What's happening? You know? But I'm gonna follow you over the PRN. Okay. And you know, the years as well. I mean, I go back also from history from the IBM three seventies. Nineteen sixty six sixty seven year, I was working on the early seventies. So, you know, the whole whites crow cake crisis that memory issue. But by the way, did you know that they just closed down the white to case study last year. And I'm saying, yeah. In twenty seventeen they closed down the white case study this government at work. You're not kidding. Jack. If you can let max know what the number is. And so on I I would call you back. But I gotta get I have a hard break. I gotta get to that right now. And let me which you happy new year. Thank you you too. All right and. I just wanna thank everyone who has supported us. And I'm really, I'm almost in tears. Really? Thank you. Sometimes sometimes those moves actually helped you better. Okay. Thank you. Are you expand? Okay. Mac you play that last segment. Max is going to play a segment I made on. We're is radio today. And I think it's. What does the future radio look like the sun in California Broadcasters Association says that radio reaches ninety two point nine percent of the population of southern California every week and that probably is true for the rest of the nation. And that average time spent with radio is ten and a half hours per week. Other data indicates radio in southern California reaches ninety four percent of millennials. And that assumes includes listeners online as well. As over the air. Over all the size of the slice of the pie of total advertising. Gotten by radio is at best remain the same, and at least not shrinking very much over the last year. So radio is becoming more and more beneath medium away from its roots. As a mass, medium, more and more noncommercial listener supported stations on growing likely on the strength of the unique content music format stations in the future will diminish when the reality is that you can get music anyway, however, in terms of unique content news, local, talk and local sports stations have more gone for them in the future. Where is the actual over the growing right now? It will be Genesis say that listening to broadcasting online is increasing as we move further and further away from the franchise aspect of over the air broadcast licenses meaning the radio station licenses. We. Can see that it will continually value with each outlet. This is even more the case with before the state of print media. The only reason one would pay for access to say the New York Times is because of its unique content, and that's getting thin now I can get stories about news of the world anyway for free and that goes for stock quotes job offering on and homes for sale and the same goes for online radio streaming. Now classical music is available from hundreds of thousands of sources this explains why it's been so hard for radio stations make money in streaming media. This no franchise aspect that people are actively forced to pay for consider the middleman factor. That online broadcasters have no control of the media and self what lays between the source and the end user, and you can see that it will be an uphill battle for any radio station to make money from streaming during the Cal. Reform gold rush. It was the big four Stanford Huntington Hopkins and Crocker who actually became rich providing supplies to the forty Niners. They didn't do any mining themselves today. The big four are AT and T variety then sprint and immobile. And then making the money, providing the means for the miners, the stream of the world, not many of those prospectors will succeed if history repeats itself, which does as technology vol's, the business that many of us know today as radio broadcasting will continue to be impacted the Merican public attuned to podcasting is increasing in which the listener receives their content on demand and not be tethered to fix time schedule we have seen when Amazon decided to compete with traditional brick and mortar retailers many of the retailers when negatively impacted those that understood the technology were able to change. Stay competitive with Amazon wiz company such as Sears JC Penney on knocking on death's door as they continue with their traditional way of selling. It started with the print media cord cutting followed and has accelerated in the past year radio is the last bastion of media to change. Oh, one side is WWW dot P C radio show dot org. The personal computer show was originated on WBAI and early nineteen eighties in response to the birth of personal computing, the program success was it did not depend on any corporate funding or support. Our bias was in the best interest of you, the consumer. We're able to give our honest opinions and views without reprisal. We thank you listening audience oil surpass support we will continue to be with you in an expanded venue. We can be hurt each Wednesday at six PM eastern time on PRN dot FM on the internet podcasts available from all major park hosting sites as well as our website PC ratio dot org. If you have any questions for us or commentary on any while feature segments. Just send us your. Email address with your telephone number in which we can call you at a convenient hour and will record it for future broadcast. There is no such thing as a stupid question. 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The Beatles Pt. 1: Stoned with Dylan, Dosed with Acid, Outrunning Knife Wielding Maniacs and Driving the World to the Brink with Beatlemania

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The Beatles Pt. 1: Stoned with Dylan, Dosed with Acid, Outrunning Knife Wielding Maniacs and Driving the World to the Brink with Beatlemania

"You're listening to part one of a two part disgrace. Land episode to hear to for free go to amazon dot com slash disgrace land or say. Hey alexa play. The dis- graceland podcast. Disgrace land is the amazon music and jake brennan presents stories about. The bills are insane in their early years. This aband- this fall more speed than food. They inspired a generation provoked insanity driving one fan to slash hotel meet the pieces. When she wouldn't disclose rooms. The band were staying. They pulled america an entire country out of a deep state of mourning in skyrocketed youth culture into a new era. They tried marijuana for the first time. With none other than bob dylan by accident. They were turned on by. Lsd dose with a drug. That would shape their musical creativity in world changing ways and through all the drugs and all the screams. They made great music quite literally. Some of the greatest music ever made truly exciting rock and roll music not music. You heard at the top of the show. That wasn't great music. That was a preset luke from mellow tron. Called hookah pantomime m. k. to. I've played you that loop because i can't afford the rights to love letters in the sand by pat boone. And why would i play you. That specific slice of heartbreak cheese. Could i afford it. Because that was the number one song in america on july sixth nineteen fifty seven and. That was the day john lennon. Paul mccartney sparking of friendship that would change popular music forever on this part of a special two part episode. Pep pills dosing dentists. Violent obsessed fans and four lads. Shift the world with exciting. The beatles jake brennan and this disgrace hundreds of years from now beatles song writer. Paul mccartney will be regarded as one of the greatest composers of all time red up there with johann sebastian bach. George gershwin duke ellington. Paul mccartney enjoys the reverence of genius. Songwriting peers like brian. Wilson and paul simon as well as respect from stellar next generation icons like bruce springsteen bano and to this day mccartney is rightly regarded as a living treasure held in the highest esteem. By today's biggest stars. Taylor swift riana connie west and others and for good reason his band. The beatles are the greatest rock and roll band of all time there. I set it as much as pains me to do. So the beatles not the rolling stones more than the stones more than the dead. The door is more. So than crosby stills nash and whoever the fuck the beatles wrote and recorded generation defining pop music that is influential and successful today as it was when it was released over a half decade ago the beatles sold more than one point six billion singles in the united states alone worldwide album sales for the beatles north six hundred million the ban of racked up more number one singles in any other band in the history of music. The mccartney penned beatles single hey jude hong tough and the number one slot for a twenty three weeks upwards of three thousand artists have covered another mccartney composition yesterday making it the most covered song of all time. Beyond all the statistical data the beatles i in britain and then upon arriving in the united states for the first time in january of nineteen sixty four caused something approaching mass hysteria with beatle mania inspiring millions of new fans to flood streets airports train stations in hotels in an effort to get a real life. Glimpse of paul mccartney and his three liverpool bandmates his songwriting partner. John lennon george harrison and ringo starr throughout their recording career. The beatles created numerous controversies over innocuous comments about drugs god and whatever else crossed their minds while under the harsh glare of public scrutiny and when they broke up in nineteen seventy the public wouldn't accept rumors of their impending return never ceased until john lennon was gunned down by craze lunatic with a holden. Caulfield complex nine thousand nine hundred eighty paul mccartney some twenty something years. After the beatles broke up was asked by an interviewer to sum up the beatles after all the sales and success in scandal mccartney perhaps with a tinge of false modesty but accurate nonetheless told the interviewer that when all was said and done quote the beatles were always a great little band. Nothing more nothing less. Who knows what he was actually thinking when he gave that answer. But i like to think that it was more than nostalgia. There is an intoxicating type of excitement abandoned joys upon the earliest assent in unlike anything else. This excitement happens for most bands of any notoriety even bands. You've never heard of but who put themselves on track toward success or start. Of course most of them never make it but still that feeling during their initial rise cannot be denied. It's real and it's palpable. Heady addictive every day brings a new surprise. Someone else wants you for one amazing opportunity or another and of course at the end of the day it's showtime when you take the stage to deafening applause and set off a new type of energy with your playing that is somewhere between sexual ecstasy godliness. Hyperbole it's common band spend their careers chasing this feeling trying to relive that early. Excitement cannot be again. This feeling is reserved just for bands that go onto famous bar bands even cover bits experience. Some love love type of excitement. So imagine what this type of excitement was like for the beatles. Imagine paul mccartney was really getting at when he said that the beatles were always a great little bad nothing more nothing less. It's a type of excitement that you and i will never really know. It doesn't matter how successful any of us become or how close are seats ben. Various rock shows and concerts. Or how many backstage. We've been lucky enough to scammer way into her. How many rockstars groupies we've slept. We will never experienced anything like the excitement. The beatles experienced during the rises popstars when they were just a quote unquote great little band. Nothing more nothing less. Paul mccartney new he uttered those words that even he would never experience that excitement again spring. Nineteen sixty five. The beatles ron set in london their second feature film help in the story from john. George was a welcome distraction from the boredom of filmmaking. John couldn't shut up about it. Even george normally short on words was eager to recount. The previous night's incredible events. Ringo listened to them eagerly and paul. He wasn't jealous annoy he missed out on something big the night before and he knew it. Georgia's friend the dentist was a better host than any of those present. Thought he dr. John riley's place. Flat was cozy posh of course and the dinner and drinks that he served as guest harrison. His girlfriend pattie. Boyd john lennon and his wife. Cynthia were a notch above most english fair even from london's finest restaurants at the time john could have done without the bird back. Rex solo album being played over and over again. John was inclined to bite his sharp tongue and let the dentist voluptuous wife have her way with the turntable. If it meant he get to keep watching your ben dover in front of it to repeatedly flipped the record. Dinner was over the three couples relaunching about having already drunk their post meal cups of coffee. A normal ritual made strange by the bizarre way. The dentists dropped the sugar cubes into their cups. He made such a big show of it. Like he was giving them communion or something trying hard to impress as most now did when in the presence of the beatles john would never get used to. It was a particularly annoying alienating effect of fame. If george was annoyed he didn't show cynthia and pattie were too polite to show anything but gratitude but now the ford guests were all feeling the same sensation a subtle chess. Well of excitement brimming up in all of them at the same time for what seconds ago there were planning their plate escape out of the hip that this flat away from his curvy but boring wife towards somewhere more exciting. Perhaps the pickwick club it was london nineteen sixty five swinging. Surely there is something more happening going on. The dentist wife turned the record over again. Back erects twenty. Four hours from tulsa came crackling out of the speakers for what seemed like the millions time that evening. John can keep quiet for fox sake. Bert lease some for gene pitney. Far as john lennon quips go. This one wasn't all that whittier humorous nonetheless. George patty cynthia john tour themselves up with laughter. They couldn't stop. John literally fell out of his chair. Snot ran from georgia's knows patty sore. She wet herself. Cynthia kept trying to suppress their laughter in the more she did the more she broke up so to john george and cynthia insecticides they were a mess tears streaming from there is nonstop belly laughs. George was helpless to make us laugh cheese. He kept trying to mount the words hot to john who is now adding to the hilarity by making bizarre faces at the group to propel them further hysterics. Oddly the dentist and his wife did not find the situation. All that funny. They looked on the to beatles and their dates with amusement. Incisive grins on their faces. Despite his current state whatever it was john lennon was too smart to observe not to notice that his hosts were on about something. Well he asked the good dentist and his wife find mr back beyond reproach the dentist answered and securely no maybe not quite well then george asked why the long tooth i mean face more giggles. Were just observing. His wife answer the humor. John was feeling a moment ago. Quickly turned to annoyance almost anger observing what he asked the effects. The dentists replies affects of what they all wanted to the. Lsd can the answer from the dentist. Of course jon thought ignoring the anger settling in his stomach. George immediately caught onto the sugar cubes in the coffee. He blurted out the dentist nodded so did his wife there. Grins widened with madness. The anger john was feeling quickly turned to fear. Cynthia felt the chill coming off of her husband and she nearly pissed herself. Like patty. patty's brain went into full on paranoid overdrive. She heard about this job. How it was used for orgies in america timothy. Leary's weird call. She wasn't about to get into bed with the dentist and his wife. And of course with john and cynthia john survival instincts kicked in. He leapt from. The floor. Grabs cynthia their coats. George and patty followed suit right then. Go as they made their way to the door. Panic said the recently dose. The fear was driven by both the unknown and the known. What would this new drug beat. Unwittingly taken due to that the rumors about its effects where already the stuff of urban legend with a jump out of the window the good dentist flat and try to fly with a turned into sex crazed maniacs with their brains ever return to normal after the were off. Would it even wear off. Would they laugh themselves to death. The known lsd in one thousand nine sixty five is a big no no. It wasn't yet illegal in the uk but would be soon rumors of its power endangered. Pretty much made it a listen if the press were to get wind. Two of the world's for lovable mop tops tripping the live fantastic like drug crazed american beat knicks and there would surely be some sort of unknown help pay for their non crime john and george despite their paranoia also knew this they were in for one hell arrived for the next seven hours. It was all terribly exciting eventually. Do the mini cooper both beatles in their dates scrammed at a doctor riley's flat against his protests. Would they go what they do. How would the survive without him. As their guide through tangerine trees marmalade skies. They had no answers but they knew they lose the dentist and his wife. They ran downstairs and out to the sidewalk with the dentist. Hot underhill hilson. Jan themselves into georgia's mini cooper knowing. Full well there would be no room for their former host. His wife in the tiny car. George stepped on the gas in furiously started making his way to the tiny streets in london at breakneck speeds the dentist and his wife trailed in his jag. Roadster that chase scene. They found themselves in. Led to larry inside the mini. There were cutting up again as george dodge pedestrians and ignored traffic size. He channel james bond and goldfinger bag is outside the passing light. Screw long tails traces. The wind minnie's engine morphed into a roar draw with back to dentist gaming on them. She heard the flying monkey. Stephanie visit a phyllis head down but but but. But i don george florida. Patty and cynthia locked eyes and mutual support the faces on the pedestrians outside long more. Fly feared psychedelic munchyan screams. John her the hard head now building building building. The sound was piercing rise in peaking and then nothing george break the car come to full saw their outside the pickwick club. A crowd of london swinging queued up for entry. Patty clouds and gibson were performing inside and the buzz was at the trio. Were destined to be the next big thing. Possibly dethroning the fab. Four george john. We're not worried. But their curiosity drove them here perhaps subliminal he to see what all the fuss was about john. The george and patty bounded out of the mini and hot steps toward the close entrance. Cynthia spotted the dentist. Jag rounding the corner toward them. They move faster. The crowd recognize them in. Despite their hypnotise took their cues from last year's a hard day's night and started to swarm the two couples who bulldoze their bodies into the assembling mass and further toward the entrance. George patty john cynthia. They're overcome by the smells expensive. Perfume aftershave hairspray greasy poem cigarette smoke grass it all melted into an invasive potpourri of excitement propelled him forward into the smothering crowd toward the pickwick clubs. Front door to get inside. see to hear. What all the hype was about to get away from the dentist. Who is now out of his parked jag and hot on their heels out on the street. They needed to get into the hullabaloo in front of the jukebox jury. They needed to hear patty closing gibson. Who was surely the next big thing. Look at this crowd. The beatles were sunk but it didn't matter had each other the four of them. They moved further out into the country. Live off the land. True working class heros the good dentist and birkbeck iraq and the tedium of filmmaking precious of pop stardom in the sweaty smart set smell of success filling their nostrils and the screaming pedestrians in the whining mini coopers and growling jaguars and james bond and timothy leary in the flying monkeys. They leave it all behind all of it. They just needed to get away from the wicked dentist is boring wife in through this crowded inside the pickwick club to hear patty clouds and gibson Accept their fate grab their tails tucked the between their legs and head into oblivion never be heard from again but what about pollen ringo with that thaad john george and their dates made it to the entrance and were granted entry straightaway by the doorman. Finally immediately upon entering all eyes were on them and they were frozen still the paranoia nearly swallowed they each felt. The walls of their skulls closing in is every i in the club landed on them judging them casting them out. Banishing them to lies of obscurity. They deserved john. Felt that the worst is justified. The sin of popstar star lousy gibson raged on stage at the holy trinity of rock and roll. Now notice that they were barreling through their new. Original track rejected to the pleasure of most every swinging dick miniskirt in the club. But john george cynthia. Patty heard something quite different. They are the walls closing in their. The dentist is boring. Wife breathing down the necks. They heard the tolling bell time. Go they heard. Paul and ringo in their heads berating them. They heard their future calling. There was music to make after all patty closing gibson. This was a music. This was a brian epstein. Pr stun masquerading as music. John george there were suddenly nevermore certain of their ability of their voice the importance of what they had to say and now somehow the doors to their own perception of what was possible musically been flung wide open and there was nothing that was going to stop them for beginning what they'd set out to become four years earlier on stage within the confines of liverpool's cavern club a great little nothing more nothing less Talk couldn't believe what he was hearing the bay about the car chase with the dentist and patty clause gibson bombing at the pickwick was interesting but to him what was more interesting was what happened later in the evening when john george retreated back to john's place in the suburbs spurred by lsd. John george each had different explosions of creativity. George with his guitar john with his dry george played some of the things he'd worked up and john sheridan illustrations. Ringo quickly snatched him. Paul was less moved by the output and more inspired by the excitement and his bandmates retelling of their separate creative experiences and paul wanted in. This has been brimming for some time the promise of creative expression beyond their wildest imaginations to the use of illicit drugs at first back in hamburg and then in liverpool there were aided by the pills but the creative possibilities through drug use didn't emerge until a year ago when they were introduced to bob dylan america august nineteen sixty four. The screams never stopped now. Did the police sirens deby's not when they're outside the hotel. It was screaming from the lobby to the car screaming from the car to the venue screaming nonstop while they played on stage screaming from the stage. The exiting vehicle at forest hills tennis stadium thousands of screaming fans watch the beloved beatles at the facility. This time in a helicopter chopper blades. A welcome respite from the screams and there were more screams heard when the ban transition from their helicopter to the trump to taxi back to their hotel when they arrive at new york. City's del monaco hotel on park avenue and fifty ninth. They were of course greeted by more screaming fans in the bill sprinted inside the service entrance and we're met yet again with more screams once upstairs and into their adjoining suites. The screens were replaced by barely muffled excitable murmurs from the awaiting groupies assembled by the road manager who put the girls to work ironing the boy's clothes. It was intense and exciting. The pills kept them one step ahead of the fans and there was no time to reflect on the insanity of it. All the pressure was non. Stop in the success on precedent. They were bigger than elvis bigger than sinatra. Soon they make the mistake of believing they were bigger even than jesus but despite their fame they weren't as experienced as zimmerman. Bob dylan's entrance into the inner sanctum of beatle. Mania was negotiated by a friendly journalist. And while a sizable amount of americans worried about the beatles corrupting the american youth. Bob dylan worried about corrupting the beatles. Possession of marijuana in new york city one thousand nine hundred sixty four was a serious offence. It was a serious offense anywhere in the usa or mandatory federal sentencing laws carried to ten years in penalties twenty grand for possession plus image ago. Harry house masturbate like furious cage. Monkey i kid bob dylan did not get any didn't care about the galley marijuana but the beatles. They're afraid of the was truck. There wasn't the harry palms of the masturbating like a monkey stuff. They were pretty sure. Ringo is already guilty of both but the beatles ignorance in one thousand nine hundred sixty four was such that they saw no distinction between pot and heroin. People who used either were horrible junkies. Pot wasn't like pills. Pills were issued over the counter by little men. White pharmacists coats. All very proper pot was smuggled into your hotel. Room by sketchy. Beat to avoid eye contact. Which was exactly what bob dylan was doing at the moment. His very large and very domineering personal assistant into the crowd of fans outside the hotel once inside the lobby. He commandeered to police officers to take them upstairs to the beatles explaining that he was there with the bob dylan and that they were invited. The cops did what they were told. They hit the elevator. Then the hall then knocked on the doors outside the beatles suite two more cops open. The door dylan was shocked. Cops hang out with popstars. They entered in the first room near the entrance a crowd of hangers on that included. Peter paul mary. A group that existed for the sole purpose of commercialising. The songs that he bob dylan wrote a couple members of the kingston trio some newspaper men in a few gaudily dressed dudes. It can only be discharged. His dylan ignored them. All his assistant kept him moving through the adjoining rooms and back into the beatles personal suite with a alone relaxing post show with their manager. Brian epstein the introductions were awkward drinks. Were arranged pills. Offered dylan refused and offered some pot and steph all four. The beatles faces went blank. Bryan explained that. That just wasn't the sort of thing that they did dylan. Press john lennon wanting to explain his song with the lyrics. I get high. I get high. John defended himself. Those aren't the words it goes. I can't hide. I can't hide and dillon did that. Little thing with his head. A slow tilt to his left perfectly time to the wry smile as if to say so. Do you wanna smoke some pot or what. John was eager to experiment. Paul george and ringo as well dylan nodded to his man. Who nodded to brian epstein. Who then set about securing the room doors. Shut locks bolted drapes drawn. Towels press to the space between the doors in the floors the with all terribly exciting there were after all two policemen. Two rooms away dylan pulled. His stash began roy joint. When he finished he lived the Drew a hit from held exhaled and then explained to the group how to do justice. He had done in order to smoke it correctly for its desired effect. John impatiently snatched. The giant from dylan's hand brought it near to his lips but then thought better of it passed it to ringo redeemed his quote unquote royal taster. Ringo smoke the whole thing. Dylan's smile roy. More johnson pass them all around. The smell was undeniable. The feeling was miraculous. Everything fell away. The screams the swirl of the helicopter blades the pressure the insanity it was all replaced by laughter near nonstop laughter and then inevitably the question hit each of them john paul george and ringo at different points during their comedown. How the hell is happening to them. Ensconced away in a five star hotel suite hidden away from fans who are ready to tear them them from lynn. Bigger than elvis higher than dylan suddenly much more than just a great little bad. We'll be right back after this word word word. This episode of disgrace land is supported by progressive progressive. Has you covered when it comes to car. Insurance starting with built in savings like discounts for being safe driver. You can also save when you start your quote online or have multiple vehicles on your policy in fact drivers switch and save with progressive. Save over seven hundred fifty dollars on average start quote online and see all the discounts for yourself visit progressive dot com today national annual average auto insurance savings by new customer survey in two thousand nine hundred. Potential savings will vary discount not available in all states and situations. The damn airplane would move on the tarmac for an eternity for what paul mccartney to know but it looked like more delays out is pressure treated plan window. He could see a small group of fans breaking past airport. Security young ravaged girls sprinting and screaming across the term straight toward their plane. At first paul was merely amused but as it grew nearer and he saw their faces. He started to feel something else fear. These fans were determined and they weren't stopping. Furthermore each had that rabbit. Look about them zest. This is something more than fandom. It was obsession and sometimes obsession could be dangerous. Paul learn this morning over breakfast at the hotel. The beatles spent the previous night in houston. Blood was everywhere in the body of the young. Chambermaid was slashed to ribbons. She was just doing your job cleaning. Hotel rooms professional. This she was when the beatles fan came upon her in the hotel hallway the night before and demanded to know which rooms the beatles are staying. She of course refused to tell they were proved to be fatal decision. Whatever emotions paul mccartney had over the incident out took a back seat to the matter at hand the handful of crazed fans climbing over the plane trying to violently gain entry to smother the beatles. They pride at the door. They smash coke bottles at the windows. They core screamed then screams some more until airport security ultimately pride them off in the beatles plane was allowed to finally taxi toward takeoff. It was jarring but not nearly as jarring as a few months prior in new york city on february ninth nineteen sixty four the day of the beatles. I live performance on american television on the widely popular. Ed sullivan show. It was a performance that would be seen by an incredible audience. Seventy three million people seventy three million people at a time in american history when the entire country's population was roughly only one hundred and eighty nine million meaning that more than a third of the entire nation watched the beatles performance whatever hope the country had for its future was shot down by an assassin in dallas two and a half months prior on november twenty second nineteen sixty three america's prince president john f. kennedy was taken out and so two were america's hopes dreams that december was bleak america mourned but on december tenth. Cbs evening news there to five minute piece about a new phenomenon from england called beatle mania for kids with long mop top hairdos who were creating a sensation with driving back. Beats and undeniable hooks their first single. I wanna hold. Your hand was released in the states. On december twenty sixth nineteen sixty three and it was an instant hit selling so many copies in. Its first three days of release that the beatles. Us record label capitol records had a contract with competitors columbia in rca records to press copies of the single to keep up with demand by the time. The beatles hit the stage at cbs studio. Fifty in times square. That night for ed sullivan's audience americans far and wide were poised to be wrapped on high. Certainly america's youth were paying attention juvenile delinquency in new york city. Nineteen sixty four had nearly doubled over the ten years prior baby boomers coming of age and there were violent and angry in their adolescence but on that night they say. The crimes stopped in new york city at least crimes committed by those not. There were no hubcaps being stripped off of bonnevilles and bay ridge. No purse snatchings in forest hills. No muggings harlem. No rapes no rumbles in the park. The streets were dull and quiet that night but living birds were light with the look in the sound of the excitement of the beatles. Hamburg germany nineteen sixty two. It was the beatles. Second stint to the post-war city of sin neon-lit brothels live sex shows alcohol fettah means rock and roll music. John paul george and ringo. There were boys when they arrive and they'd be men when they left. Fame wasn't yet part of the equation. Hamburg the star club and before that the kaiser keller was all about learning their craft eight hours a night on stage playing early rock and roll tin pan alley and rhythm and blues standards to rowdy german thieves american. Gi's prostitutes had visiting tourists. The experience as a band if fused them from a group of musicians into his singular creative mr bean into showman quick witted song and dance men capable of doing just about anything to keep the abroad locals. Entertained speed was an occupational necessity in fed means or price as they were called were as important to the beatles onstage as alcohol to the audience offstage. It kept band fueled and fearless night after night. They barreled through song after song. With supernatural energy charisma. The drug made them invincible injected their personalities with even more confidence in the four charismatic young pootie already had which was saying something to begin with john. Paul george or wrinkle were short are coughing. The speed pushed it all over. The top inspired astra kirchner the german girlfriend of former. Bandmates stu sutcliffe. The band began taking their fashion cues from the hip existential est movement of a few decades prior which to the rest of the world and nineteen sixty two meant. They dressed like aliens and morning female aliens and morning at that with long hair shagged over their ears and was combed down over there eyebrows. Their clothes all black slacks pipe fitter tight leather. No lapels on their jackets and pointy hill. Shiny black boots they made presley and richard with downright conservative. by comparison. Soon local german art students started to hear about this wild young band entertaining very drunk adults down in the same pali district and started frequenting their shows above became the beatles. Were beginning to draw. The energy of the band was as obvious as the promise of vice was in the air onstage. The band do anything to keep their audience. Entertained with eight hour sets. Oftentimes the beatles do anything. They keep themselves entertained. Perhaps more than any of the other band members the speed fueled john. Too extreme ends one john lennon emerged on stage to stark naked with little winston hanging out there for the world to see in a toilet seat hanging around his neck. Gianotti goostepped across the stage and see how the german audience for added insult path. The crowd was uncomfortable. And the other half in hysterics but most important. John cut himself up as well as paul george and ringo. The long nights made for short warnings and sunday. Mornings for john lennon. Where the worst. The band's living quarters were next to a catholic church tolling bell for sunday. Mass was beyond knowing and for what to remind the repressed nonsense that it was time for church. It was sunday morning for chrissakes. Didn't they already know. Couldn't they set an alarm. John would show them. His balcony was on the second story just above the nuns past the church. It's the catholics. Were going to disrupt his sleep. Then he was going to disrupt their commute. He filled condoms with water and bombed the nuns as they made their way to mass in one morning while particularly annoyed urinated on the nuns uniformed heads from his balcony. It was a total lack of respect. The only thing. John lennon respect and the only thing that young beatles cared about was music rock and roll that back the jumped up jangling guitars the driving rhythm and all that shouting the response from the audience the looks from the women constant promise of sex the constant threat of violence the speed the drink the last it was all highly addictive and it was a conduit to the world beyond the dreariness of germany to the promise of america to the excitement of elvis presley little richard and buddy holly rock and roll the feeling of gave john paul george and ringo it coursed through them it was electric more exciting than sex and had been that way as far as they could remember even before hamburg going back to their earliest days in liverpool brian epstein just twenty six years old was dressed impeccably as was his nature youth would not get the waves ambition he was destined to something beyond managing his family's north and music shop on walton road and liverpool the group heard about the one the handsome teenage boy with the dirt beneath his fingernails requested a single from this shop a single that it turned out didn't really exist yet had better be worth the trip to this godforsaken piss and vomit stench seaside section of liverpool. His smart leather shoes were spit-shine before this journey were now. Mud-splattered and soiled beyond saving garbage was strewn about the ground old produce from the fruit factory and discarded newspaper littered the cobblestones been his feet. So unevenly set that each new footfall brought a new type of pain to his lower back. Men shouted in thick ugly working class accents as they unloaded trucks outside of merchant shops. The sound of their rough voices give charge that he's subconsciously suppressed the menacing squawk the seagulls the cops barking out orders on there beep. Cars racing through tiny roadways on route gardeners wear with such haste. There beaters coming two inches of the pedestrians moving sidewalks that were too small to handle the bustling seaports launch. Our foot. traffic horns beeping. Steve ships steaming tugboats tugging cruise ships cruising in and out of the port the atlantic. And just as the minute in our hands of brian epstein black leather strapped rose gold. Watch converged at the number. Twelve hordes of teenage kids began tearing pass him on the sidewalk and down matthew street toward the fruit factory. School was out lunchtime and liverpool in one thousand nine hundred sixty one that meant one thing an opportunity to get lost in the sound of the mercy be it was the same sound. The handsome boy. In brian's record shop sought out in its purveyors. Were exactly who. Brian was seeking out right now. It seems that scores of roughneck liverpool teenagers were doing the same. He reached the club if you could call it. A ramshackle sign affixed to the fruit factory. Wall made it official. But for all intents and purposes the cavern club is it was named was more cavern than club. It didn't matter. The line outside swelled instantly the muffled beat from inside blasted out onto the street. Every time the door opened in a new pair of paying teenage customers were allowed. Entry girls online anxiously check the makeup in their contacts. Boys dragged heavy on. Cigarettes stood on their tiptoes. Wondered what the wait was all about shouted to the doorman to get his head out of his ours and all bounced absent mindedly from one foot to the other eager to get inside before the show is over in the muffled music stopped for all four seconds was replaced by rabbit applause and then the be kicked back in again full force. It seemed all of matthew. Street was brimming with impatience. Brian felt the cocktail of anxiety and excitement. Wash over little. Did he know this exact feeling would intoxicate him from this moment on for the rest of his years finally he reached the doorman he had called ahead to ensure entry. The dorms boss made sure the young music shop owner was obliged. The door of the cavern club opened the light from the street behind him. Cast a shadow on the condensation. So kuala ahead of the door slam shut and the sound pummeled him a mix of electrified rock and roll and hopped a teenager shouting to be heard over the music. Brian followed the music on the eighteenth slippery. Stones steps into the subterranean den of two hundred cramp dancing teenagers. All wrapped and excitement. Brian epstein immediately heard and saw what they saw his future. And there's the future of rock and roll. He saw the beatles. I'm jay brennan in this episode of disgrace. Land is to be continued. That was part. One of the beatles episode. You can listen to part two right now. But only on the free amazon music go to amazon dot com slash disgrace to listen or you have an echo device. Just say hey alexa. Play the graceland. Podcast all right. Let's get into the credits this episode of disgrace and its musical score in theme song written by me. Jake brennan writing assistance by taylor. Betson disgrace them. 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"This is Steven. Hyden author plight of the Gods, Journey through the Classic Rock and you're listening to rock and roll archaeology. Theon podcasts. From Toronto Canada. Muses. With your hosts. Shanty and links. The podcast that celebrates the women are rock and roll. Interviews. Stories. And Fabulous Fun. So. Grab those backstage passes and let's get to our show. Hey everyone, welcome to muses, we are the podcast that talks about the women, the groupies, though wives, the girlfriends, the inspirations in the lovers. In Rock and roll music. How're you doing SEAN T he links. I'm doing all right. How are you doing all right as well? It's been. An interesting. An interesting couple months, but it's been a intense couple weeks as well and. It's a lot. There's been like a lot. To process that's right. A lot has happened. We are recording this episode on June eighth, and so it's going to come out. In like three or four days and we know how much. Difference a day can make before we get started on her episode. We just wanted to let everybody know that we didn't release a Patriot episode last week. And Solidarity with black lives matter and we wanted to leave space both on our feet as well as our instagram and our social media's to amplify black voices. So we shared some resources on our page things to sign for both in the station Canada's well because that's where we are, we're in Canada. And Yeah so I think it's important to know because I don't think it does just go without saying right instead of just jumping into the episode. And not addressing anything, because it doesn't just go without saying it's important to say that. We stand in solidarity with the protests, black lives matter and we condemned police brutality absolutely. So we are in this for the long run, and we are committed to continuing this fight against racism and being anti racist, while we're learning taking action to achieve to achieve structural change. and. Yeah I mean. We're committed to growing even if that means fucking up and. This includes examining our own racial indoctrinations in developing and understanding of what we've done, both personally and culturally to oppress bi. In our society. So Lincoln I are in a group with our friends with seven other women, and as well as having conversations online with a variety of people, and we've been having uncomfortable conversations. We've been sitting in that. Links, it's it's been really great to see everyone. Be So to talking about things and learning, so it's been a positive to be a part of these conversations as well. Yeah, and not just talking to the people like in our bubble. Right in our as they say, Echo Chamber, agree with us, but also having the conversations with people that aren't agreeing us or people are posting things that are questionable kind of calling them on like intentive things and. Yeah it's it's I feel like. In this only this week alone, you know so much learning. It has been going on. It does feel it's about time, but it's it's just. It's so great that it's happening now. And, so we're committed to continuing to signing petitions donating to causes that directly impact black people in a positive way people of color like four the rest of our lives, and actually before we started recording on Instagram of course and one post, just happened to catch me right before we started talking in. It's by a Kendra, and her handles Kendra amorous and They say after you post and share info, which is important. Step away from the Internet and do the real work. The real work is reconstructing you and how you interact with the world. Nobody will see this. You won't get a cookie, but you will become a better citizen. That is enough. That is so well, said. Yeah, so. It seems like this is the perfect episode to be doing this week as well. Yeah so I bought this book. At the end of April and began the episode at the beginning of May. It's called. Be My baby. How I survived Mascara miniskirts and madness or my life as a fabulous Rhonette by Ronnie Spector. What a fabulous title! I know and it is important that. We, continue on with this episode as sched- as scheduled. What. Ronnie says about black artists and her horrific treatment by Phil Spector shows how ongoing structural and systemic racism. Getting everything in everyday life for black people and people of Color, and of course in the music industry. Yes. So. yeah, before we get started with the book. Is. There anything else that we may be missed and look if we did. We miss something, or if we be like, said something, and not the right way happy to be happy to talk about it I'm happy to have the conversation to. Like I said to kind of mess up and do better. Because these conversations aren't easy. I've never really spoken up publicly against race so. Here, I am. and. I completely agree with you. I'm happy that we're all open and we're open to talk, and where here and if any of you? WanNa talk to us. We're here, right. Okay. Well this book links has a foreword by share and an introduction by Billy Joel. Already, perfect. So, we'll just touch on billy Joel's. Introduction, and how for him? You know growing up going to parties what they'd be listening to was James Brown. Otis Redding Jackie Wilson But he said most of all it was the girl groups who had the toughest sand of aw. Low it, he said just as soon as I liked that drums started with. Be My baby. The whole room just change. He gets a little bit horny about it, but I won't go into that. So eventually, Billy! Joel would go on to write a song kind of asset tribute to Ronnie the rents and inspired by be my baby, and that song was called, say goodbye to Hollywood, it was modeled after Ronnie's vocal style, and with Phil Spector's recording style that signature wall of sound. He says I agree. If be my baby was recorded today. It would still be. Absolutely, it's like one of the greatest songs ever. Agreed. So share in her forward talks about how she and Ronnie both had overprotective and controlling boyfriends in common, and how they came to be friends, and she says that the important thing is that Ronnie survived, and she's still around to tell the tale now when I got this book. You look at the cover and the girls are singing. Look Amazing, and it's a pink bubble gummy kind of writing, and it's be my baby how I survived Mascara. miniskirts and madness or my life as a fabulous, Ron. But then. You have to look at that word survived and I didn't realize. How much she meant survived until I got like. A quarter of a way through the book. Or less like this is a story of survival absolutely. Amazing I'm so excited to hear her story. So Veronica or Ronnie for? Short was born in Spanish Harlem on August tenth. Nineteen, forty-three, her mother Beatrice Bennett was black, and Cherokee and her father was white. She had a sister. She has a sister named Stell who would later join her as a rocket. Run it. And the family grew up between Amsterdam. and Broadway and she says in a neighborhood that had Chinese laundries Spanish. Restaurants, black, white, and yellow and interracial marriage seemed normal to us. That's great and that's New York. That's New York. Ronnie was subject to bullying much of her childhood. One instance is like the time she was at school, and a girl asked her she could touch your hair because Ronnie had long straight hair and one day when she was sitting at her desk, a girl behind her cut off her ponytail. Oh, my God. Yeah so being you know her mother, being black and Cherokee. Her father's white. She never really felt like she. F- fit in. into any of those identities She grew up playing with many cousins spending lots of time at her grandmother's house. She especially liked being at her grandma's house on the weekends, because all of the aunts and uncles would go over they all like to sing dance, tell jokes and every weekend. They a little stage at Ronnie's Grandma's for a little amateur show. No one in our family sang or performed professionally. It was something that they did for fun harmonizing together while they all sang, so Ronnie believes performing was in her blood. Her father worked in a subway yard all day, but also played the drums and always had dreams to play in Harlem Jazz, Band. That dream has never came true, but Ronnie says that he passed on his love of music to her. I love We have a lot of like father daughter connections with the muses that we cover as well Ronnie recalls a story. Her mother told her of being on the subway train with Ronnie when Ronnie was sixteen months old, and she started singing for everyone on the train. She started getting up on the table to perform a to her family at age four and by age eight, she was putting together full on numbers for the families weekend shows. Once, when she was singing a song, she tried to imitate a Yodel from a song that she knew, and that was the beginning of the Whoa that would become her trademark as a singer That's so cool, an accidental. Yodel, yes. Older sister is style would also perform some songs. And actually put was put in star. Time at dancing school. That was big in New York in the nineteen fifties. Ronnie begged to also go, but her mother could only afford to send one of them so establishment because she was the older sister. But links. Do you think that that's stopped? Ronnie from somehow going no waited. It sure didn't in so Ronnie would go and hang around. Standing in the hallway and sneak over the doorway when it started and peek through the window. Moves the girls were taught. Wow! Then, she'd memorize it. Practice it all week, and and his style would put on the routine. Show off the routine family weekend show wow! As a family unit with a style and their parents, they'd have dinner together at the table every night when they were little. And it always seemed to down like their mother was more strict, and their dad was more happy. Go lucky and easy going. The couldn't quite figure out why. Their mother was so short, tempered with their father, and didn't understand until later that he'd had a drinking problem. That got worse every year. So there. They didn't know about that. All they knew is their mom and dad weren't getting along as well as they should. So. Ronnie remember some Great Times that they did have as a family, but when she was twelve years old, her parents split up who? Didn't ever really hear. Their parents argue like they didn't fight lab out in front of them, but the girls picked up on the tense looks and harsh words that were spoken in whispers after their parents thought the girls had gone to sleep Rani's mother beatrice worked as a waitress, and their father also had a steady income. As long as he could hold themselves together. Ronnie felt sorry for her father, because he could never realize his dream as a jazz drummer, and she says that instead of accepting his fate or working to change it. He drank hoping that might help him. Forget his loss to dreams. I I get that tough. Didn't of course, and his drinking only made him more depressed. When he was in junior high, her father was further into his depression, and when he would come home stumbling home late at night, he was usually a mess. At School Ronnie says, a lot of guys tried to date her, and she always felt pretty, but she never felt like she fit into one group. She says the black kids never accepted me as one of them. The white kids knew I wasn't white. And the Spanish kids didn't talk to me because I didn't speak Spanish. Bit of an identity crisis when I hit puberty. I remember I used to sit in the front of the Mirror, trying to decide what I was. Let's see now I think I've got white is, but these are black lips. My ears are they white ears or black years. She even tried to die her skin darker tone one time because she thought it would make her look more like the darker skinned cousins that she had. So she got a kind of like tanning lotion. She left it on longer than the bottle recommended. She fell asleep and the next morning. She says she woke up looking like she had. Zebra Stripes Ohio. Girl so Ronnie in styles, mother was working at a place called. Kings, donuts and the girls would stop by their after school. The real reason why they visited so often is because it is a cross from across the street from the Apollo Theater. To Ronnie in a style, the Apollo was the most exciting place because she says all the biggest black stars came to stay there, and there always seems to be the bright lights and big crowds lined up around, and still I were both naturally drawn to that kind of excitement. So Ronnie says that a lot of entertainers can't or don't want to tell you where they got their style from, but that she got hers from someone named Frankie Lymon. That's where she got her voice. She says that if for Frankie hadn't made the record. Why Do Fools Fall in love? Then she wouldn't be sitting there writing. She wouldn't be sitting there. Writing this book Wow Ronnie was twelve years old when she heard Frankie for the first time, and she fell in love. She says I couldn't tell if he was black, white or what I just knew. I, loved the boy who is singing that song. Such a good song to every night. She prayed to God that she would meet him. She did and it happened through a strange coincidence. So. Should we listen to? Why Do Fools Fall in love by Frankie and the teenagers? Yes, please here. It is the Matt Matt. Right. Yeah Yeah I sent you songs before and. It's a great episode for music. It got me in the mood like I was getting real excited the listening to them and Yeah Yep. All right. When she heard that song, her hands got all sweaty. Her toes curled up and she tried to climb ride into the radio box. Oh, I know that feeling yet. She liked her ear so hard up against the speaker better grandma. You're GONNA go death. So back to meeting Frankie. One day at work, Rani's mother was telling another waitress. How Much Ronnie worshiped Frankie! How he's all she could ever talk about and how she was dying to meet him, and the waitress said. Frankie Lymon PB. He's sitting right there in your station and. Old Frankie Lymon. No Way Yeah. Rani's mother invited Frankie Toronto Birthday Party, and he said he would be there. The day came and Frankie didn't show up, but his brothers did. Okay okay, so. Ronnie was devastated, but Frankie must have heard about how cute. She was through his brothers. and. He came around and other day and surprised her at home. Unfortunately the meeting wasn't. Ronnie had hoped for when he arrived he. She smelled alcohol on his breath. Pretty soon after meeting her. He wanted to kiss her and she just wasn't comfortable with that, and it's not what she had wanted. No. After turning down his advances she told him to make himself at home and went to the bathroom and locked herself in there. He eventually left, and although she was disappointed with the interaction, she still loved his singing. She still played his records and still sing along to all of them because she knew every note by heart. Now Ronnie doesn't go into too much detail about Frankie and his alcoholism swipe think that would be something really interesting to go and look back into his life and legacy in. Yeah probably like his treatment, and there's a story there for sure absolutely. Yeah in the music industry She didn't only listen to Frankie. Ronnie also would use a big wooden spoon to sing along with little anthony and the imperials and the Sean tells. US. The Sean Tells Natalie? Do you want to listen to a song by the Sean tells? Yes, up of. Like spelling my name C. H.. L. The sean tells. So here's a song called maybe. Aw. Man these groups where amazing I love is so good so good. And like there was. A time in my life where? I stupidly thought that. Like before the Beatles, what was there like? Hello? Yeah, here, it is okay, so would jump on top of her coffee table and not only sing, but imagine that there was an audience. Tell them jokes make dedications jump off the table, walk along the front of the coach and flirt with every person in the imaginary front row. Practicing? This is something she would eventually do in her life show. Amazing. By the time Ronnie got to high school. She knew that show business was going to be her life. She says that she wanted to be the Marilyn Monroe of Spanish Harlem. and. She wasn't going to settle for anything less. She wasn't. One day a man named Bobby. Schiffman went into king's donuts and became began flirting with Rani's mother. Nothing ever happened between the two of them, but Beatrice did convince the man to get the girls on stage at the Apollo. Theater because it turns out. His family owned it. Perfect! Rodney was fourteen and had assembled herself her sister style, cousin, knee dry, and two other cousins to work out harmonies and learn songs from the radio. It was with this little group. They ended up performing at the Apollo for an amateur night. They actually put their boy cousin up front because they wanted to seem more like Frankie Lymon in the teenagers, but when it came time to sing. He froze. Oh. Actually, the song that they chose was, why do Fools Fall in love? And he didn't sing so guess what happened. I think our girl took care of it. Ronnie took over and sang as loud as she could. Now apparently the audience, the Apollo were a tough crowd, and they had been warned ahead of time that. People might throw. Things are people might do or whatever, but as soon as Ronnie started singing, people started clapping. Of course her voice is incredible so once. They started clapping. She Sang Louder and once she sang louder. They started clapping louder and Ronnie couldn't believe it. She was living her dream. Oh yeah, and. She couldn't wait until the next time to get back on stage. After that night, she says. There was no questions that it was where I belonged. I love that. Ronnie wanted to be popular at school, and she was Estelle, was the Valedictorian of their class, and on the cheerleading squad and Ronnie wanted to increase her popularity, so she got an after school. Jobs Goodbye Close Ronnie. Nature style were the last ones left in their little group that had performed at the Apollo because the other cousins that had been with them. had a mother who didn't want her daughter singing, rock and roll music. So those three girls started taking singing lessons. After that he started playing are mitzvahs and it wasn't glamorous, but it paid. As. They called themselves the darling sisters for a few gigs, but that was just to make their grandma happy. Who wanted them to be like the Andrews Sisters? And that they started calling themselves Ronnie and the relatives. By nine hundred sixty one. They had been doing these small gigs for about a year, and they wanted to be recognized as the stars. They knew that they were and not meant making records. They did get a chance to record when they were told that Stu Phillips wanted them to come in and on dish in for him after hearing them sing for three minutes. He said he'd give them a shot. In June of nineteen sixty one, they had their first recording session at cool picks, which is a sub subsidary? Hotter subsidiary. Yes, that's it of Columbia Pictures. Now I'm going to read you a little something. From the book. Right we recorded four tracks at this first session I wanna boy, and what's so sweet about sweet sixteen, the two sides of our first single and I'm GONNA quit while I'm ahead and my guiding light, the two songs that eventually came out as our second single. I was only seventeen years old, but I tried to handle myself as a prof- as professionally as I could. Once we got into the studio I made sure to write all the lyrics open hand on little sheets of paper, which I arranged in a neat stack and placed on a music stand. So cute! Yeah, so she was ready a Love A. When their song came out in August of that summer, they were so excited and they bought a dozen copies of the record for the aunts and uncles, but unfortunately I want a boy went zilch and they were crushed. The, girls don't give up. And they started hanging out at a place called the peppermint lounge. The peppermint lounge. Was the in place to go in New York. Would go, but it wasn't just for show business people attracted everyone from painters to presidents. Since, the girls were still underage. They practically needed a disguise to get in there on taught them to use eyeliner blush and lipstick. They stuffed Kleenex in their bras, and they were acting. Yellow dresses teased their hair until it was, they were stacked up to the ceiling. Ronnie says that they were going to the peppermint lounge to be seen and you weren't going to miss them in these outfits. SMART. They look great like I. Can't wait to post some photos of these beauties absolutely gorgeous. Excited to see him. There was always a line at the peppermint lounge and they were waiting in line every so often. The bouncer would check to see if there were any celebrities waiting in line, and when he saw them standing there with their matching herron outfits. He figured they must be someone special. The manager of the club came out and said to the girls. What are you doing here in line? You're already late. No Very. This is good. 'cause they just went as just to go. Hang Out, and now they're like being like. Hey, like you're supposed to be working. Yeah, they didn't go there performers. They just went there to like. Hang out in like Schmooze I guess so. They had been mistaken for a group who had been hired to dance the club, but hadn't showed up Oh my God. We're or the assumed that they were them. That's crazy, so girls didn't correct him, and they got up on stage and they danced amazing. Ronnie says we were smart enough to know that. When someone opens the door for you, you walk through it. But is so kick ass. I love it. So, Joey Dee in the starters was the band that was playing that night, and they knew pretty quickly that the girls were not professional dancers. Missing a beat, they kept on playing. When they started doing a song that the ladies performed in their act in the Sung as Ray Charles's. What did I say Ronnie went up to? The singer shook everything she had, and he handed her the microphone like almost as a joke. Well, it was no joke to Ronnie. She took that Mike and tore through her version of the song. And, as she says, brought the house down all, my God is just like fate. It's absolute fate. At the end of the song, the audience and the band were clapping for her. Do you want to hear some of Ray Charles's. What did I? Absolutely here it is. The manager realized that they weren't the dancers. He originally thought they were, but he offered them a job on the spot. So they'd come in every night. Do a couple of numbers with the starters and then dance above the crowd on narrow banisters that circled the floor. SO COOL! They finished at two or three in the morning and she'd be doing the same move. She had been doing in her living room, but for. People. Wow That's like such a meant to be story so crazy. With the exposure they were getting. They figured it would be a good time to change. Their name Rani's mother pointed out that the Bob Bets and the Marvel. Let's had both had hits recently, so they came up with the Ron debts. Piece of all of the girls names in it. They dropped the D. and they became the riots. Cool. Which is a hell of a name. and. Yeah, it is a little piece of all of their names, okay? Right after okay I'm GonNa read a little something. Ronnie says right. After we got hired at the peppermint Lounge Columbia. Pictures came down there to make. Hey, let's twist a teenage dance movie that starred Joey Dee in the star lighters. We were thrilled of course because we thought this would be our big break to the star. Lighters. Love does so much that Joey Dee and David Brigade, he wanted the three of us to play their girlfriends in the movie. We even went down to the set to the me to casting director, but he took one look at our complexions and walked away. Allowing use them. He told Joey de there too late to play black girls and too dark to play white girls. The audience wouldn't know if they were supposed to be white or black. Wow, we were heartbroken of course losing our chance at movie stardom was devastating especially after the flop of our first record, and we sang pretty low for a few weeks. We still went down to watch the filming, but it killed us to see the white actresses. They'd hired to play the star lighters girlfriends. Closest Week to being in the movie was when we played dancers in a crowd scene, and that's where we stayed in the crowd. Need Ya. And I finally went to see the movie the day it opened, but it wasn't much fun. While all the other kids in the theater laughed and popcorn, the three of us just sat in the last row of the balcony and got depressed. We were probably probably the only girls in new. York, who cried all the way through. Hey, let's twist. Oh. That's. We love it with that for a second. Sues leave while. How. So Murray. The K Kaufman a DJ, who could make record number one faster than anyone else in the country and booked acts for a rock and roll show. He stage at the Fox theater in Brooklyn. Will. He invited the Ron to play. So. Ron says that for two dollars and fifty cents. You could see at least a dozen acts top names, rock and roll from stevie wonder to bobby lead to the temptations. And, so they were first on the bill in the spring of Nineteen, sixty two. At first they were used as backup singers, but they eventually got to do if you songs on their own. The audience was really responding to their luck, which they wanted to which they wanted as to be seen larger than life, thick eyeliner teased hair, tight skirts, and that showed more and more leg especially when they started cutting slits in the sides. Really made an impact. Murray started so even. Ronnie would even say to people who questioned her that she was fine to use her sexuality like it empowered her own nice yeah. Yeah No. I thought it was I thought that was. Great you know Ronnie always knew what she wanted and she knew she was comfortable with. It sounds like. I she's awesome. So. Murray started using the run ads on his radio show every night. He taped them doing little promos. Sketches and Veronica was a bummer to go back to high school after all these shows. Oh my God I bet. One last thing about how amazing the Brooklyn Fox was is that Ronnie found playbill from nine, hundred, sixty four, and the acts on that bill that night included the Shangri, laws Marvin Gaye the miracles, the supremes, the contours, the temptations the searchers. NHS and the newbies Oh my God. That's one night. By God. That's whenever. She said that whenever they run into Stevie. Wonder he tell them that they looked so great in those red dresses. In nineteen, sixty three, the ron nets were on the hunt for the right producer. All right, so this is the part of the story where. Things get go up and then we're going to go down right. There on nets were on the hunt for the right producer. Producer who knew how to use their voices that wrote songs that. Would work for their sound and be smart enough to choose songs that did work for their sound. Their New Year's resolution was to get a new producer and they had their sights set on Phil Spector. In nineteen, sixty three, Phil Spector was already a legend by the age of twenty. One was already a millionaire. Wow, yeah, he'd already produced some incredible records. They thought about how they could get a hold of him and decided you just call his record company. Since a style was the Valedictorian she called and when the secretary answered, she asked to speak to Mr, spector, and she got through. Wow! Not only that he invited them to. to the studio the following night. It wasn't until later that he kind of let it slip that he had seen them at the Brooklyn Fox many times, and had known exactly who they were the whole time. Interesting. Ronnie describes fill at the age of twenty two as a real little guy who already had a receding hairline and almost no chin. It's true. It's exactly what it looks like. Yeah, and like he knew it he was really self conscious, and he was constantly wearing to pays and wigs. And Yeah, he's. Huge you'll piece of shit okay. What Ronnie says he had great is. She thought he was adorable? So that night he sat at the piano. They sang. They went for sandwiches and his limo and Ronnie says that she really liked him from the very first day that she met him. Even. Her mother thoughtful was charming and funny. Phil had told Beatrice that the other two girls were all right, but it was Ronnie's voice that he wanted. but Beatrice told him that they came together. They were a package deal. So take them all, or you can't have any, and so after that there wasn't any discussion about breaking up the group. The raw nets were signed with fill in with Phil Spector in March of Nineteen, sixty three. They rehearsed every night of the week and he was obsessed with them. Then he would send the other two girls home because he wanted to just work with Ronnie on her vocals, and it was during that time that their romance began. Of course. So even though he's piece of shift and I I hate hamlet. Talk about what made him such a legendary producer. Roenick lanes that he had a musical fluency. He could play any instrument and show you know any of the session musicians. On their own instruments exactly what he wanted, he had control in the studio and was hyper aware. Of the detail, and of course he built that very famous wall of sound that many musicians would try to recreate or have him. do or would like. Ask Her about for years after that. So this is what Ronnie says. Even before we had a hit record, we had a hard core of fans who followed us from show to show, and for some reason, a lot of them seem to be gay men or lesbians. I'm not sure why maybe it was because we were half breeds and the gay crowd sense that the raw nuts were outsiders just like they were whatever the reason there was something about our style. That spoke to a lot of gay people because they've always been there for us. Even today I meet gay guys who saw the Ron that's at the cafe, walk or the bazaar in the village, and they can still name every song. We did other show. That happened twenty five years ago. Wow, they really have devoted loving fans. Yep. Before be, my baby came out there. Fans could only see them at live shows. So as they geared up to record, there was one incident where Ronnie visited Phil's House and since she had never been in a penthouse before she was poking round out of curiosity, found a room with women's shoes scattered all around them. To see that other side of Phil, he kind of yelled at her, for snooping turned pink and said they were his sisters. Whereas Sisters No. Lung and naive and she believed him. Roddy in their swint California to record be my baby. One part of the recording process was having background voices for a lot of what Phil recorded. He wanted to amplify the sound. And if you happen to be in the studio and could carry a tune, he'd have you seen backup. One of the young backup singers that happened to be there for be. My baby was none other than a gawky teenager named Cher. Oh Nice. Sharon Ronnie hit it off immediately. They were about the same age. They both had stars in their eyes. They traded eyeliner and gossip and would soon find out that they did have a lot more in common than just that. Yeah, they did. Be My. Baby hit the charts in the last week of August nineteen, sixty three, and after that, Ronnie says the thrills just kept getting bigger for the first time at the Brooklyn Fox. They weren't just that and special guests on the Marquis. It was their name up there in the lights as the headliners be. My baby hit number one on the cashbox, one hundred and went number two on billboard. It was a huge hit. They got a check for a thousand dollars each and we're all tees and to show. How young runny! HOW YOUNG RUNNING WEST! She just handed over to her mom for safekeeping. Weirdly, though even though Phil was the millionaire, he take the girls out for Pie and coffee and make them pay. Because all he had in his wallet was one hundred dollar bills and the restaurant couldn't break that. WHAT AN ASS! Other Times. The girls would have to take the subway home because they gave all their money to fill for him to take a cab home. Oh. But by the fall of nineteen, sixty three Ronnie's dreams were coming true. And should we play? Be My baby right now. Let's do it, you know it. You love it, but here it is. Oh. and. All right in that year throw nets appeared on Dick Clark's American bandstand and people from all over the world world wanted to interview them. Says that her family got a little weird after they made it big kind of like how the kids in high school reacted. But their father was proud of them and tried his best to some shows. Ronnie says that their father died of alcohol related issues in nineteen, seventy eight. He never realized his dreams as a jazz musician, but he lived long enough to see his daughters sing rock and roll and Ronnie thinks that in a small way that gave him some peace. I'm sure it did. So speaking of issues with addiction and alcoholism Ronnie ran into Frankie Lymon after the raw nets had had their hit. Frank Eastwood Ronnie that he loved their record and was like. Where did you get that voice from? From you. Knew. But unfortunately at the age of Twenty Frankie was considered washed up, and as they continue to talk, he got more intoxicated. He tried to take her shirt off and she had to have someone come in, remove him. Phil do weird things like fly Ronnie out places to record, but the other girls had to be driven up in vehicles, which would sometimes take days. ill-assorted to show early on that he was doing things to try to separate Ronnie from the other announce. And from her family from her friends, it would become more apparent as the days in years went on. Romney talks about President Kennedy, being shot before the Phil Spector Christmas album was released, and so no one wanted to listen to music because they were all too depressed. She said Oh that that'll change in nine hundred sixty four. When thank God. Her four longhaired English guys finally got them to go back into the record stores. I wonder who talking I let. All right so the Ron Ethman to England for their first British tour in January of Nineteen, sixty four, the rolling stones were their opening act. The. Opening for the Romance Wow and since they were just starting out on, had no idea what kind of crowd would show up in like the rolling stones were just showing. We're just starting, so they didn't know but the Ron. That's got standing ovations every night. They played. The British fans liked their music even more than the kids back home. Cool. One of those nights pretty soon into their trip, they went to a party where George John and Ringo were. Were you were there already before the girls got their. The. Beatles had been to America yet. So the rawness didn't really know the Beatles music, but they certainly knew who they were. The Boys from the Beatles went up to the RON s introduced themselves as being huge fans of their music. I love it. I know. Imagining the scene, so I know. George Ned you've got the greatest voice. We loved it. The first time we heard you and John said you were great, just fucking great. They all hit it off and the boys told them how much they liked the. Look and ask them to teach them all of the American dances, so they showed them the pony the nitty gritty, and it didn't take long for Ronnie to figure out that John Liked her, and a style was getting the same signals from George. At the Party Ronnie and John Fana quiet room in the house to talk, but that was after they found Stelle in George had been doing the same thing. But awesome, it's so good it's so good. So talk, they did, but then John leaned over and kissed him kissed her. Before things started getting like really hot and heavy Ronnie did stop things because? She was thinking about Phil. Oh, my God! Yeah, would. Just A. Officially dating just had like a little romance at that time they hadn't slept. Together are anything, but she was pretty committed to him in in a in a big way obviously. They went back to the Party and Stehlin. Ronnie went out on a few more days with John George before they left London. Cute. So during their cross country tour of England with the rolling stones. Ronnie says that no matter what they did. The guys in the band seemed tab not be warming up to them at the beginning. We heard they do a show and then go looking for the guys. And then the guy's had already left so after three days of this. The Ron found out what was really happening. They found out. Through somebody WHO's working with the stones? The Rolling Stones were actually huge fans of their Annette's, and they would've loved to talk to them. But they had gotten a telegram before the tour started from Phil know. That forbade them from fraternizing with the. Wow they weren't supposed to speak to the riots before after a show or else, there would have been dire consequences. He had his grip on Sauteed. The Ronnie sent a message to the rolling stones and said that if they didn't start talking to them, then there would be consequences. So the boys got the message and that night they found that it was needless birthday and they brought her cake and saying happy birthday. So Ronnie says that it was the beginning of a friendship that would last for years. Yeah! That's great. Yeah, so they also hung out with the Beatles. George and John a little bit more going over to Georgia's has for breakfast one morning realizing he didn't have anything fresh to eat, so they opened up. All the canned food had a feast. Phil showed up. In, England, at the end of February at Ronnie was happy, but she knew she wouldn't have as much fun because filled didn't like going out. He also didn't like the girl spin loss time with the Beatles. The Beatles were leaving to start their first US tour and Jon asked Ronny if she wanted to fly back with them on their charter jet. She didn't have the nerve to ask Phil so she asked him to do it. So Beatrice had to fill that. It might be a good publicity if the girls went back on the jet with the Beatles Oh smart. But we're talking about that like first time at the Beatles like. Landon! You're right. That's right. Yeah, so Phil Wasn't having any of it. He's like I already bought their tickets. We don't make it A. FAB Four landed at JFK on February. Seven, nine, hundred, sixty, four, just a few days after the Ron returned from England, watched on TV as the Beatles were greeted by fans. Holding Banners. And they were surprised to see who was with them. When the plane landed, and the doors opened Phil Spector, followed the Beatles out of their airplane. Oh i. God is correct, so weren't allowed to fly back with the Beatles. Phil was. He was really making a point there. Yeah. That's when Ronnie realized. How badly Phil wanted to be a star himself, yeah! So continue to try and have a relationship with Ronnie, but she says that she realized that she only liked him as a friend that actually she was in love with fell. But they remained friends and whenever they were in New York. John George called up Ronnie in a style, and they take them out to Harlem for Delicious Food and place where they could all eat and peace, because the Beatles were no big deal in Harlem. Okay solings you asked me. She talks about Keith Richards in the book she actually doesn't. Interesting. They found an article that says. Richards and Specter had a passionate romance when his group and her group tour together in nineteen sixty four specter, who was unmarried at the time in going by her maiden name. Ronnie Bennett was one of Richard's. As I loves. He says in his autobiography life. Yes I remember him saying something like that. That's why I was so surprised. Richards says in in the book. The first time I went to heaven one. I awoke with Ronnie. Bennett asleep with a smile on her face. We were kids. It doesn't get any better than that raw. Yeah, left an impression on him. At least that's for sure and they yeah. The article was like the forty year. Love Affair With Ronnie and. Right so Ronnie was twenty years old. and. hearn Phil became boyfriend and girlfriend. And imagine at that time your boyfriend. The millionaire producer, telling you how much he loves you by writing. You hit songs like be my baby baby. I love you and do I love you. Lake you can understand. You can understand what sure you know absolutely. Had Him at in this land. Already of like we know we know what he did. We know who he is. He's scum, but at the time like we can. We can put ourselves there with her and go. Yeah, that makes sense. So? They took their relationship to the next level and they started having sex. In nineteen sixty four, it was their biggest year ever, and the pressure was starting to get to new John Style. It couldn't have been easy for them to stand in the background while Ronnie was out being the star. So fills jealousy was increasing. There are countless examples of his rise of abuse towards Ronnie and one example being when Sonny Sonny and Cher took the notes out for Hamburgers and Phil flipped his lid, grabbing Ronnie and yelling obscenities at her. He was jealous of her hanging out with her girlfriends. To one example of this is when she went dancing at the purple onion, and he found that she was there grabbed her by the arm and pulled her out of there. runny found out that Phil was married. Oh! Yes. Do you remember the shoes oh? Yes. Yeah so Ronnie was terribly upset sick even, but she dealt with it by not addressing it. So I'm going to read you something that she wrote. Because if you're thinking what listen to this. I also had my career to think about. It's not like Phil was just an unfaithful lover. He was also my producer. If I put an end to our relationship as lovers Phil would never record me again and for a girl singer in the sixties. Your producer was your lifeline. Without fill it would have been back to coal picks for the raw nuts or worse. If I said bye bye to fill I would have been saying bye. Bye To my career and I had a sister, a cousin and lots of other relatives depending on me for a living. That makes it hard. Yeah, Irate. Unfortunately, the raw nets were already on their way out in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty five. There was no reason for this other than Phil. Made, them stars, and now he wanted Rani all to himself. The so disgusting I hate him. I know I know. And this happened by him, refusing to release the records at the Ron were making and making excuses for it. So it was fantastic. Songs and tracks sat on the shelf for years. He out as oldies in the seventies, but as Ronnie says it didn't do any good in nineteen, sixty five. We'll just see Ronnie grow. He didn't want to see her thrive, and he was too insecure to keep to have her. Keep growing, so he tried to reverse the whole process and slow them down and it fucking worked. So Ronnie was still having a great time doing her live shows with the run ads, but fill of course was creeping in this way to like one time they were GonNa do a large televised performance, and Phil wanted them at rehearsal to give all of their energy in practice exactly like they do onstage like at the rehearsal. Do it exactly like you do it onstage. So, we're like okay and that night. After they performed Fil freaked out on Ronnie saying that she was out of control, it wasn't the same as earlier, and she was off key, and she was like I was just playing to the crowd. Like how can you? You Know Yeah? So he then banned her from going to the party that night. And celebrating the show. He started isolating her even more. With her peers in the recording studio. So? No one was ever allowed to be with him when he did his work at his area, but he didn't want Ronnie hanging out with the other background singers musicians, so he made her sit with him beside him in no one else. In he was like made the excuse that he wanted her. There is inspiration. Ronnie says if nineteen sixty five was a slow year for the Romance Recording Career Nineteen, sixty six was like death. Ronnie never gave up hope, though at this time fills. Other artists were suffering because of his perfectionism. So, have you heard one flaw that nobody else in the whole world could hear impede refuse to put it out. The Beatles were doing a tour of the US and they wanted the nets to be the opening act. Phil was not okay with this. He gave Ronnie ultimatum the Beatles or him. Ronnie that people wouldn't care who they were and wouldn't be able to hear them anyways, amongst other bullshit like. That was exactly the same time he was planning on recording next album. Like and he didn't. Want that her choice to stay home with choosing a man who truly love her more than a million screaming fans could. The other nets did go onto her with the Beatles and they got someone to replace Ronnie. Oh Wow. No one except the Beatles noticed the switch. My God burnt happy. This tour did give on at's Get on on the cover of Ebony magazine and get to participate in that. A cell was starting to question Rania but the way though is treating her like calling out how fill with saying. He thinking he was being romantic by paying the long distance fee for Ronnie to stay on the phone all night with him. And Now that he was trying to control her and keep tabs on her like if you keep the phone on all night, he knows where you are who you're with. and. Ronnie was kind of like so what if he is? He loves me enough to call me long distance and to pay that fee. Like? He didn't realize that fills. Obsessions were becoming very dangerous. You know they were just like compounding little by little by little by little and. That's how it happens. Just wait. Ernie began pretty much living with Phil in his Mansion California. Toured Germany, and this would be their last. Fill was no longer recording them and estill in need. You want to settle down with their boyfriends to start families. Started Isolating Ronnie more cutting her off from fence and family and Ronnie rarely left the house. One time, Beatrice did show up. And told Phil You got no right keeping Ronnie in this house, but ultimately fill one and Ronnie ended up kind of going back to him. Yeah. It was in nineteen, sixty seven that Ronnie started. ill-assorted started building literal walls around their house. Sorry Mansion. She didn't even realize he was doing it until it was too late. She thought his possessiveness was a way of showing how much he loved her. She says that she gave up her independence to him and once she did that. It was hard to draw the line after. The only other person she ever saw was. Phil Secretary Gloria Dominion. One Time Barbara picked her up and brought her to fill office which she'd never been to an inside the walls were completely plastered with photos of Ronnie. She said that she didn't even recognize the girl in those photos full of life, happiness and energy. It was like she died in standing in her place was aboard. Beverly Hills Wife Housewife even though Ronnie wasn't even legally that yet. Yeah Ronnie told Phil that she missed her family. And that she wanted to go back to New York not just for a visit, but for good. She missed the noise. She missed the people. So. Phil proposed. Ronnie hopeful that things would be different and life would be better once. They started a family. But things started getting really fucked up. Man! So. This is what she imagined. I'm going to read what she says what she what she hoped for. Once we got back on top. We'd be the King and Queen of Rock and roll and our life would be one never ending party Elvis and the Beatles and all the stars from late late show would drop of the mansion just to be around us, and it would never be jealous. When John Lennon or Mick Jagger walked because he was, he would know that I was his wife now pledge only to him forever and ever. and. Even after the guests all went home are mansion would still ring with the laughter of our little children, two girls and a boy, maybe more in my fantasy marriage, I'd have the greatest little family to love me and to play with me and keep me from ever getting lonely again. That was my fantasy. The reality wasn't so good. It never is of course after the honeymoon ends. Most married people discover they have to settle for less than their dreams, but I didn't even have to wait for the honeymoon to end. Things were already getting weird for me a week before the wedding. Okay. Right! Romanian fill were married in a small ceremony. In beverly, hills on, April fourteenth nineteen sixty. Eight Fills. Behavior became more volatile. He became scarier and Ronnie often feared for her life. Ronnie began drinking more because she was in so much pain so lonely. She hit it at first. they began trying to make a baby and they couldn't. Ronnie was tested like crazy for infertility issues, and they didn't ever suspect that the problem could have been fell course. Ronnie wasn't even allowed outside anymore, not even go swimming in her own pool, because Phil was worried that one of the and I quote, man servants might see her. Wow. Ronnie was just on the brink of turning twenty five. Wow when she did turn twenty five. Phil bought her a car for her birthday, which felt at first like a little piece of freedom. He was brainwashing her giving her. This car was even monogrammed with his name. This sick faulk even made a life-sized inflatable Philidal- that he. That she had to drive around with her passenger seat, so people thought he was with her the whole time. That is fucking psychotic. Wan appealed I think he was an eccentric genius. He wanted reporters to look at him and see his crazy big dogs and mansion and write about him in that way Ronnie says that he got caught up in his own craziness, and after a while even fill couldn't tell where the act ended in real life began. Wow after the walls were built up around the mansion, the bars on the windows were installed. Ronnie says that their home felt like a maximum security prison. Speaking of prison. Phil Spector's in prison right now. Yes, is which. Okay. There you go buddy. You built a prison in now reiner and one year in one. So no one was allowed to open a door until they checked with Phil. Kaye nobody was allowed to open a door. Into will they checked with fell? That is crazy. He said he did all this to keep people out, but we know he was doing it to keep Ronnie in. If Phil didn't think that Ronnie had a good enough reason to leave the house. He'd scream at her to the point where she just stopped trying to leave. Ronnie was in that house for a total of five years. She would go on drinking sprees. She says that he never physically hurt her. But as we can see the psychological and mental abuse were events. Absolutely. I want to. Go into much more of how you know. You know this is. A lot of mock. Let's let's start talking about her survival, but last a few things I'll say is. Phil hired a woman to look after Ronnie who essentially kept her sedated? Like got to the point where? Ronnie started having seizures because she'd like. Go Out. In her car run into a friend had drink, and then the combination of that would would Put her into seizures. Oh my God one day when Ronnie was home watching TV something that she did very often. It's really how she spent a lot of her time. She saw commercial for an adoption agency in La. And there was this little baby up for adoption and figured well. If we can't have one then, maybe we can adopt, so she went dash. She went right down to the adoption agency and. You know after they came in and saw their home in all that pretty soon after. Little, Baby Dante came home to live. So. Fill quickly hired a nanny like. And so even Ronnie's motherly duties were taken from her. She wasn't even allowed to go in the kitchen because somebody was hired to be there right so. Imagine feeling, useless as like a singer a mother. A wife is terrible. How! So as much as she hated to go out, Phil always did celebrate Ronnie's birthday, and when August tenth rolled around, they went out for a night in Nineteen sixty-nine to las. Vegas to see Elvis Presley. Nice, so he was. She said he was making a comeback after doing shitty movies. And he cared about his stage act, and she thought it was a great show, and she really wanted to tell him, but when Elvis invited them backstage afterward, Phil hardly let her see him. Of course, his dressing room was pretty full, and Phil just left her in the hallway with his bodyguard. While Phil wanted to go, see Elvis but. She says I was standing there, trying to peek through a crack in the dressing room door when this beautiful young girl POPs out in nearly smashes the door in my face. I didn't recognize her at first, but when I saw, she was the only girl there wearing even more massacre than I was I knew she had to be Priscilla Presley. Ohi. She said talking like we were old friends. What are you doing out here? Come on in Elvis's dying to meet you. She grabbed my hand and lead me through the crowd. I could tell she was shy, but PRISCILA didn't seem to have any trouble talking to me, you know she said I have to tell you. I've always loved the way you luck. You are really pretty. Oh thank you. I said I was really touched. I don't know why she was so sweet to me, but I've never forgotten it. That's so cute I. Love it PRISCILA She got to meet Elvis. I love that she put that story in about Priscilla's well, yeah. One day! Ronnie ran into her friend Bobby and bobby was trying to kind of tell her show her that Phil was controlling her mind in her with controlling her body, but you know it was Ronnie who couldn't give Phil control over her mind, and she pointed out that Ronnie's drinking was Kinda GonNa, be that thing that made her Passover her mind, right? At? The Time Ronnie didn't quite understand her friends, concern and just kind of wanted her to mind your own business. But because of Ronnie's drinking, Phil wanted her to go to therapy and as soon as the therapist realize the kind of relationship that she was in the therapist suggested that Phil come to the sessions. Still ended up ending the entire thing. And so one day when Phil wise yelling at one of the dogs, and saying it to it I will control you Ronnie realized that she had been subject to the same treatment. In January of Nineteen seventy, the Beatles asked Phil to go to London to help them to produce. Let it be Ronnie was happy that this job took him out of the country. This brought back fills confidence and without asking her. Ronnie was signed to apple records. When Ronnie was set to recorded Abbey Road. She saw George Harrison at the piano. It was a nice reunion. And he wrote a song for her, but unfortunately it wasn't a good Song Ferranti and it didn't go anywhere. On arrived as well, but Phil Kept Ronnie at his side, she says my big comeback to apple records tend out to be nothing but a joke. My husband produced my sweet, Lord, for George, Harrison and instant Karma for John Lennon, but when it came to record me, what did he pick a song about Indian chicken? So it was back to California and life as Mrs Veronica Specter wife of Phil. The the song he ended up, having her ricard was called chicken. Wow Right. So. Like In in terms of children so there was still Dante and one day fill came home with two more children. Watch. Twin boys just Oh, the Blue Nah Lake probably like six years old. Old. Wow Yeah. Ronnie started attending Rehab. And found alcoholics anonymous. The more she went to meetings, she learned more about herself. In nineteen. Seventy Ronnie left Phil for good. Her Mom helped her escape on a visit to California and when she told Phil, she was leaving, he said. Let's see how far you get now and hit her shoes, so ronning rum's stepped in front of her screaming at Phil, saying I'll tear that. Wig Right off your skinny. I swear I will. Push Ronnie out the door, and with that Ronnie. Her mother walked out shoeless. All my God. They make an excuse to the staff of why of where they were going and what they were doing. Because I imagine everybody was on strict orders not to let them leave they up getting out of there. When he! Got Off the property practically running until they were on sunset strip. Ronnie says it had finally hit me. How Funny Life can be I? Just spent more than five years living like a millionaire in twenty three bedroom mansion and I felt helpless the whole time now. I was standing at the corner of sunset. Barefoot and without a penny to my name. And! I never felt stronger in my life. Oh that's so powerful and amazing A few days later, Phil was served with divorce papers and he didn't go down easy. He continued to threaten Ronnie and said. So she left and went to New York. If you're wondering about the children, Unfortunately Phil had such a hold. On them and so many people working for him. And all of that money and really used Ronnie's drinking against her. And he got custody. I'm not surprised and when she left, she knew she couldn't scoop them up and like walkout with them. She was kind of like Al. Save myself first and I'll come back for them. But it wouldn't be that easy. Obviously, yeah. In Nineteen So Ronnie started her career again going back on tour and she thought she didn't have to. Go to L.. A.'s and she wasn't under the stress affiliate anymore so. So she? She thought she didn't have to drink anymore. Sorry, because she wasn't under the stress, of Phil Anymore, but at wasn't actually true, because she would then use alcohol alcohol to calm her nerves, because she had them for foreign for so long, but that ended up with her being visibly intoxicated on stage at her shows. No in Nineteen, seventy-three Alice Cooper asked Ronny to sing on his muscle of love, Album Ronnie was happy for the attention and continued to make live appearances in seventy, three, hundred, seventy four. The divorce was finalized in February of Nineteen seventy four. The judge gave Ronnie a small community property settlement plus alimony payments for five years, but to her fill came out as the winner because he ended up getting custody. Yeah, she was heartbroken and to keep herself busy. She went on tour. She ended up dating again and she found a boyfriend. He was one of the I'm not sure how to pronounce it the vowels Davos. But the guitarist of that band had apparently been in love with her for so long and was too shy to say anything a little guy in his early twenties. Steve Van Zandt. o Oh my goodness. They ended up having a little romance. Say are really cute picture of them in the Book Oh my goodness. He's got that same kind of like devilish look on his face. Like so skinny. Just so weird and she's so beautiful and so earlier when you were like Yeah Lake. Stevens a huge fan of. Those girl groups. I was like Oh. Just wait. He's new. Oh. That's so cool. Yeah, I had no idea. Coming love is starting to get horse I'm noticing, but we're wrapping this up so. The last year the Ron played that year. The Nets played at Madison Square Garden and other shows that were received really well. Ronnie got to see her son Dante occasionally, but. To do so she'd have to go to California and she could only see him in a hotel room supervised. Will Continue to threaten Ronnie Messing with her mind from afar like saying if she played the Dick Clark Show in Vegas that he'd hired Hitman declare soon as she got on stage. WHOA in nineteen seventy, five Ronnie ran into May Pang outside the Dakota. John Lennon at the time. Yeah, and so may told Ronnie to come in because John would love to see her. I think I've seen pictures of her and John Hanging out around that time Afar. So Ronnie saw John. Two years later, and he said like for the last time, and he said he was a happy housewife or househusband with a brand, new baby, and not a care in the world, and it was John who put Ronnie in touch with Jimmy Iovine. It was at this time that Ronnie also met Bruce. Springsteen and together they all recorded a song called. You mean so much to me. Would you like to hear it. Yes, please here it is you mean so much to me by Johnny in the Ashbury Dukes An? Now. Paying and Ronnie, remained friends and main, who sounds really cool, invited Ronnie to David Bowie, show at Madison Square Garden. Damn. Ronnie said that she didn't know a damn thing about David Bowie, but why not? To the show and they were so close to the stage. She says that David could see her just as well as she could see him. Afterwards they all went to a restaurant where she met David. He invited her to have dinner with him. And she sat down and ate a meal with David Bowie. One to another ooh? They made love. ooh of you times. They had fun. At. Amazing. This keeps getting better. So Ronnie went on tour with Johnny and Nash Ashbury Dukes. The ones that she recorded that song with, and they opened for Bruce Springsteen, and the e street band, and occasionally Ronnie would get up on stage and sing with Bruce. This was around the time that it was suggested to her that she record say goodbye to Hollywood the song that Billy Joel had been inspired by her. So cool. So this is what Ronnie has to say about that song. Yes Steve said that's Billy Doing Ronnie Spector. When I told him I was going to try and get you to do the song he was floating on air. He wrote the thing three years ago, but he told me he had you in mind the whole time. Did you ever have one of those days when you just knew that God was smiling on you while he was grinning from ear to ear the day we recorded, say goodbye to Hollywood. Everything on that record just fell into place. The e street band backed me up with Little Steven van, zandt producing, and that guy really knew how to bring my voice out. stevie created a sound that was as close to Phil's as anyone ever got, but the record still sounded extremely modern and I give credit to Bruce's e street band for that. That's so cool. Right and I love that she found other incredible. Talented artists like her to work with again. You know it wasn't like she didn't need fill. For sure totally. Yeah. Meta man named Johnny Greenfeld one of the production stage managers on the show and with him. She felt like she was home. Would become her husband. And so talk about Dante in the twins for a moment back in California. It came to everyone's attention. Once Dante ran away from the House at Eight, that Phil had subjected the boys to the same, verbal and mental abuse that Ronnie had suffered. Dante went to live with Ronnie. But it was apparent very quickly. That Phil had done some very significant damage to him. Man It was very difficult. They had a very strained and difficult time together and Ronnie, was performing a lot, and she still hadn't gotten a hold on her drinking, so when Dante went to go visit his grandmother Phil's mother in California Dante said that he wanted to stay with his grandmother because he was afraid to go back and live with Ronnie and so. They set it up. That thought where Dante would stay. Wow! Ronnie had hit rock bottom when she was drinking in bed, spilled the alcohol and fell asleep with a lit cigarette, causing some of her bed to burn and most of her hair. But she yan coming out of a deep hole after that looking for daylight, her hair eventually started growing back thicker than ever heard Jonathan were married and had two children together two boys. Ronnie enjoyed her home life with her husband and their two kids and Connecticut. Being a mom and recovering And in Nineteen eighty-six, she got a call from any money. Who wanted to record a song with her? The song was be my baby, and once they recorded it. The single went through the roof. The video played on MTV. They sang it everywhere from David Letterman to American bandstand and she was a presenter at the American Music Awards and Co host in the MTV. Show with Eddie Amazing. Put out an album called unfinished business. I remember that music video she you. Should we play this? Let's do it here it is. Sure. Jodi do. All Right Ronnie followed unfinished business with the critically acclaimed. She talks to rainbows, a nine, hundred, ninety, nine, set produced by her good friend Joey Ramone. Who provided support as she recovered from? You know that traumatic marriage with Phil Spector. She continued to tour through the end of the nineteen nineties in two, thousand and three. The original Ron Nets sued full specter for withholding royalties owed them for their songs winning three million dollar settlement So good? Also in that year two, thousand and three. Fill was imprisoned for the murder of the actor Lana Clarkson in his home. was in those home in. He's in jail for her murder Yup I. Remember when it happened. in two thousand seven, the Ron were inducted into the rock and Roll Hall of fame. In the five decades since Ronnie walked into a recording studio, she's contributed to well over a hundred and fifty records, including eighty top forty hits, and a handful of singles that are among the greatest records ever made. The biography website in two thousand fourteen wrote this about Ronnie. Through her though her life has certainly not being perfect, Ronnie Spector in the Ron s will always be remembered for perfectly capturing the explosive intersection of girl, power, teen, angst and social freedom of the nineteen sixties. She still performs and shows no signs of slowing down. Ronnie says I. Don't do regrets and I ain't bitter as I get older, I think. Maybe everything in life was meant to be the way. I look at it I'm still here. I'm still seeing people still love my voice and I made some great pop records song that people hold in their hearts. Their whole lives ain't. Nobody can take that away from me. She is the best man that's the story of Ronnie Spector Oh. My God that was so good. What an incredible woman and like wouldn't insane story. I'm so glad that she got out of there when she did and. was able to rebuild her career and do what she loves so much to do again and they're so inspiring. Yeah I mean. The first time I read it. I flew through it and then. Typing it up. I enjoyed it so much. Glistening to every single artist in piece of music that she mentioned in, it was like. Incredible and yeah, so that's that's a story of survival. Ronnie Spector fucking. Awesome that was wild and yeah. You picked great music choices. This is I think one of my favorite episodes especially for? The the music and the story. She's just amazing. You presented perfectly. Thank you for that. I think it looks like it's going to be one of our longer episodes that we've ever put out, too. But how can they leave any of that out exactly like? that's that that's it for this week, everybody. We hope you liked it. Yes. and. 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It's a great time to upgrade your pots and Pans Eric. Welcome David David Chiang. Show part of the rear podcast network presented by Major Domo media. Thank you to the great band. Yo La Tango for letting US use their music introduction. This week we have a great guest or one of the best chefs and one of my mentors and good friend Chef Marco Kinara Ron Hearth and the growing business. Nisa Bro which makes delicious absolutely delicious broths but wanted apologize if you hear this and it sounds a little bit wonky. I'm doing this from a hotel on my phone from Western Australia. I'm here for work for the week and didn't have time to do this. Introduction properly so apologies. So I'M GONNA keep this introduction in super short in fact. Hey Google set a timer for two minutes okay. Two minutes and that starting now Marco was is so important in my life because while I had a couple of restaurant jobs before he was a chef that opened up kraft and he was the executive shoe. sous-chef at gramercy tavern any was a protege of time click. You and I don't know of tom gets enough. CREDIT COM click. Yo the original Shefa gramercy tavern because because she had done something that no other American maybe people like Charlie Palmer and Rick Moonen and stuff like that but for me. What Tom was doing was vitally important? Because is he had integrated French concepts and philosophy and European ideas with American ingredients and sensibilities. Why loved cooking so much? Wanted to work for him. And Marco was one of his most successful proteges. And he wound up opening up. Kraft and Marco Thomas so much in that opening team of craft restaurant on nineteenth street east nineteenth street. Still a fantastic restaurant. I felt like I won the lottery because I learned so so much from these amazing shots. Tom Marco Jonathan Benno was begnaud. Dan Sour Canada mascow Ottawa. Damon Wise. The list goes on and on and I don't know if I have my critics say if I didn't work for Marco and he's done some amazing things that he's he's had a restaurant called hearth in the East village if you haven't been check it out one of the reasons. Why because in the East village? And he's got these broncos. It's these broths these bone broth with really delicious. Organic ingredients should check it out and he's got some stands in New York City where you can taste some delicious things and if you hear US drinking drinking something wasn't coffee. He had made us this amazing chicken Coconut Curry Thai Basil Thing Concoction and we drank all of it came in like a Dunkin. Donuts is like a mug coffee thing. And Anyway I digress. It was delicious and just thinking about it makes me want to get and you can also buy some at whole foods frozen. But I think the world of Marco and he's had a terrific career and I think he's come out the the other end but he's in a different place any was when he first started anyway. Want to get to this. PODCAST don't have any opinions fact this week because his I am terribly terribly jetlagged. It's insane so here's my conversation with Marco Nora of restaurant hearth and Bro. I'm with Margaret Kinara chef of hearth founder of Bro. How many locations abro now? We're opening up our fifth on the upper east side this year and I see see it in whole foods and more supermarkets and growing. Yeah we're in grocery. Yep Your name spoken about several times whenever we talk about where I've been. How the hell this all even happen in Marco was my first real chef while I worked at a couple of other places places? It wasn't what I tell. I thought about this as a serious career until I work for Marco and that weirdly enough was a long time ago down two thousand two thousand Jesus and such a strange time. I WanNa later work for you. I want to work for Tom and gramercy tavern was to me like the coolest restaurant because it allows you to Celera celebrate being the American without being completely French and There was like a weird time you had to choose like what clan you wanted to be in loved him right right you gotta choose the clan. Yep You could Daniel blue. You could work for air prepare. You could work for David Boulay. John George John George you had Charlie Palmer. You're in a few others. But like the main groups were that J G Danielle Tucker and I was accepted accepted into that group which was like it was weird and again like I don't know if it gets enough credit for what happened at gramercy Tavern Auburn but it was the first Russian that I could think of that celebrated American American sensibilities and cooking for not in red blooded. American can way but the fact that we were going to try to look at everything through an American presume in ingredients disabilities of it. We still made ten gallons of Bir fondue every day. Yes and I wanted to work for Thomas Cry grammercy but then like I had heard that he's going to open up his own restaurant that got Delayed for variety of reasons that finally opened up in two thousand and you were going to run the kitchen and I also knew. That can't remember was kid kid from cooking school. Remember Jim Jimmy used to work on a whole nother story which you know. Jesus you are the chef at Latino Martha's Arthur's Vineyard Yup everything as much as I could about you and data and came from grammercy came grammercy. Yep you were executive pursue under Johnny Schafer. The and you know it's hard to describe because when we talk about this time we don't have anything like that anymore. In terms terms of a tight knit family like clan. GRAMMERCY team was its own family for sure. I mean how many the and the industry seems smaller than to write. It was like the hardcore line. Cook to shop the J. B. Prince. You know it was like a clan. Feel like it's just it's gotten broader and larger. It's not as intimate as it was but the team that you work with at gramercy you would work with for years. Yeah no one laughs or people left. They came back and I just drank the KOOLADE. And when you guys open up kraft I was. I was like working for mercer kitchen and I was in cooking school and I just thought I was. I was so late to the game. They made no idea what I was doing and old. Were you then twenty two. Yeah what were you thinking running. Not just you now running running. Yeah there was a lot of pressure on you who it was very. It was very stressful. It was high pressure and I came into the game late. You know like I tell tell people like I didn't really get take my first serious line coach job until I was like twenty seven and all the years I worked in kitchens and cooked before that it was really really just the means to like drink booze and eat food and meet girls and it wasn't until my first line cook job coming back to New York after being a San Francisco for for a few years and landing that job at gramercy tavern That's when it all started getting really really serious. Oh my God I was like. I'M GONNA make this my career here and I'm so excited to land a line coach at gramercy and I worked through that kitchen very quickly and You know one of the highlights of my career to this day is still the second New York Times review that happened to gramercy tavern by Ruth. Reichel I cooked all of her fish that she spoke about in her three star review because they had gotten to stars and then they got reviewed and had three stars lying. Cocoa cooked the fish that she wrote about and it was like the most thrilling thing ever for for me. But what you said seems simple in dowager for you but if you're just the following food now or Halford fifteen years you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about gramercy tavern was second restaurant from Danny Meyer Tom Cooking. Yeah was the chef of Manga and this was their first real American duo type thing they were willing Daniel Daniel. Yeah it was. Danny's second restaurant which he said he would never do. Yeah and it got a lot of press on the cover of Matt like New York magazine. Eric in restaurant Tomlin hair. I'm the cover. It was for sure to have the unique craft fondue. Yes God with a lot of chives Chai's insurable and everything and it got to stars we there for that. No I came. I came after was their sense of fuck. We gotta we gotTa Redo this crush it not really man. There was when I when I went into that kitchen for the first time. It was so impressive and so clean and there was so much confidence happening in in that kitchen and I wasn't even really aware of the whole stars and they only had two in any of that I I was. I was bowled over by the vibes in that kitchen itching. Were you surprised how seriously they took it. Yes I was because it was so fucking joke. They were very they were. They were a hundred and ten percent from moment one from morning noon and night it was crazy cleaning in the flat tops and just all that culture that we a lot of people speak of you know it was like it was intense times for sure and you guys got three stars. Yeah which may seem relatively not news today right. Why was it so poor view what was going on? Why getting three stars from Ruth? Why was it so oh significant? Well she was one of the more respected reviewers I think in in all the years at at the New York Times And back then you know. This is like the late nineties indies. You know that was kind of the end all be all right. It's like there's things have kind of there aren't really the gatekeepers once was but back in the day like that. Was it like Doc. If food and wine wrote a story about you or the New York Times Wednesday edition or that New York Times review like that was a game changer for a restaurant Toronto and that was the DNA in the family that ultimately became the family at craft. And before that though you had Thomas ahead of time in a lot of so many things man and I know most people think of them now is doing top chef and stuff but he gave you liberties he's that most would never ever do you know the conception of craft happened over dinner at Union Pacific with Rocko dispirito which is an iconic restaurant that no-no about and I know it was crazy but you know we had the the million plate and all that it was amazing using but It was a simple conceit. It was like Tom and I kinda grew up Italian American families and was like why can't why can't you eat in a restaurant the way we eat at home and just put some shit down the center of the table and everybody eats it. You know And that was the nugget of the idea and it was basically like. Oh and why does the steak house only have to serve like steak and these things like. Why can't you have a restaurant format format that serves all the dishes of great fine dining restaurant but just do it through the Lens of like that center of the Table Steakhouse Style and you know back then? Nobody was doing that and it was a it was a novel idea. And it was funny to see the evolution of that to rikers. We took the Compose your own thing to the nth degree like when we opened there was a nightmare. Oh my God we had like condiments it was like pick your condiment and pick your sauce was what's your venture. Choose your own adventure for everything it was like. I'm surprised we say like pick your sea salt you know. It was insane but before that quickly changed he gave you the freedom to take time off from grammercy. Yeah and open on the on the vineyard that happened. How did you pick your ball? Summer Summers are slow in the city. Always and forever our So that was one thing on my side and look. He was always smart with cultivating talent. And you get a lot of credit today for being that same way. Way Right like working with people cultivating talent and and he was a master of that and like he knew that allowing me to go and open a restaurant from from nothing at my folks bed and breakfast and Martha's vineyard was only GonNa make me a stronger better manager and leader at gramercy when I got back So you know Kudos to him for like having the long view and then it made me better to be the the main guy when we opened up crafts so in that timeframe. You're what like thirty one. Thirty two thirty three. Yeah when you're running. Locker Chino Vineyard. Yes what were some of those dishes dishes that you're working on this is fucking it. I'm crushing it. That's a Larry. Well one of them was one of the dishes at gramercy. Davin back in the day was like the pepper crusted. Tuna am are pepper crust the tuna so I had to pepper across the to nose on Martha's vineyard but I did mind with With punts Annella and I got some like unsalted Tuscan bread and made a really killer Ponzanelli because that was kind of in my DNA. And I put the tuna on the Pont's Annella 'cause sometimes you can tune in it. So that was my house being really ahead of the curve there and with tomato vinaigrette and little dots of really really good Basil Oil that I made from Basil. That was out in the backyard. And that's like I look back at that menu and look at that dishes just me up because I remember conversation later craft because there was discussion if you were GonNa put it on the lavender lamb thing. Oh yeah the grill. LAVENDER lamb chops thing. You want on dude. That was a big one. Yeah I didn't make the menu at craft. I don't know I think it was like A. It was an operational problem because what I did was I. Would I would clean racks. And they'd cut all individual chops and then marinade them and then cover them an olive oil and you had to like melt all the olive oil off of them. Because if you set adam in the walk in and then all of the olive oil quite late and we grilled him and it was just a disaster because it was like hard to get the oil off and they would always flare up and in an environment like craft or there was like seven other meat. Dishes it just didn't operationally. It didn't work. When did you going to take over the kitchen at craft here? I was the guy to start is so like I know when they come to come to you who it was ninety nine. Yeah it was like it was like two years in the making. And I'll tell you some fun months when Jonathan Benno and I were on the payroll the restaurant was kept on getting delayed and we would have our air quotes menu meetings at his apartment in Brooklyn that the fun times. JV I mean that whole team that you assembled and James Tracy Tracy October Damon Karen Moscow and Lorne Dawson Are Yes Liz Chapman. Whose Chapman Dan Sour? Yes Stacey at Higgins. Yeah there was such an amazing crew God and then Modesto's Aso's whole client. Yeah And I just listened to your. I just listened to one of these with the the grit woman who jokes and when you guys were talking about a craft and you said you know it was like who could be the funniest yeah right and like that so resonated with me because like there was like this immense there is this immense intensity but but with that crew they knew where the the lines were and we were able to have an incredibly great time. Everyone here when it lines everyone knew the lines. You're right because you the one where the lines God was brutal brutal but that time I just honest I still feel like I won the lottery. Man It was the me too you I did too. It was an amazing restaurant to open and everyone was so good. Can you believe that. TV knows made no it was it was extraordinary. Even the the service staff Yep Victor to Matthew and Katie Greco Yeah Pretty amazing easing. Yeah in Matthew. Oh so the guy wasn't insane and I knew I had to get there but I was just like I'm never good enough. I just I'm really just starting out and I was working at Mercer Kitchen and again I I just wasn't for me. And then Mark Salafia went to College Mara Raffia via and he was like. Hey I'm a captain here at craft. I know you really love. Tom Wanted to try to get a job here. And I remember coming down to the kitchen so terrified because it's in the basement and then you're rolling Yoki and you looked at me. You're like no can. I know we're good. We're good we're good. We don't need anyone we're good. We're good I was like okay. That's IT and then A. I don't know what came over me to be like you know what. Hey before I leave. Let me see if there's any other positions 'cause just started on veg right now you're on the vegetable have answered follow. No I'm saying when you got in the kitchen was J for other. Who will never let me leave? You Open Oysters really good data but I just when I saw that when I went down it was like A. It's like a fuck like high school and you're in the senior lounge. All the cool kids are there and it was just a whole different vibe people or focus so focused it was just you could tell excellence was be pursued across the board and a product quality loneliness as Asian stock. Leno's the master of that you know. He learned so much from begnaud working with him so closely. Opening the restaurant Making the stocks. Yeah all all of that. It was like the perfect school for for a young co bad. The perfect place to be right crosswords. Noble Shit Yeah. You'RE GONNA you get the best product to the best technique on that keep it keep it as simple in purist Bosnia and everything was the basic building blocks of food so I got. I didn't get to nick stocks. We only made Brown chicken stock at Mercer. But we're making veal Rennie. Dark Yup every kind of talk. Yeah all the bone. Oh man who so much work. Yeah all the braces and I was just like I have to have to be here. Somehow we managed. There's a lot of products rise crazier and five six different kinds of mushrooms. Wasn't saying six seven eight nine types of meat six six seven eight nine types of fish. I mean it was crazy. It was a lot of product. You couldn't afford to do that today. Away right no it's like my game now is like less pro. You know less you know. Make the menu smaller. Because it's like you can't. It's too expensive big team. He had tons of people on my. They can't do any of that today. You have what three people on pastry three. People Karma J s about that six people just on Bassora A and now it's like one guy on Garm. Oh who picks up pastry. Oh my God is so exciting. Because I was like this is where here I need to be and you know what was crazy. I mean I remember reading the Franchisee. Who So many times and then I think Jane like? That's I think I was like. I brought it with me. And he's like you know the on the lobster and that right has the guy and I'm like yeah what that's JV that's the guy. I right there with the bald head. Benos pedigrees extraordinary and I was like this is where I have to be and then I had the only position I could get. There was answering phones to for for like two months yet until I built a current in there. Yeah I built occurs. Here's out I gotta come back down and then you went to cafe balloon right astronauts who to talk to and a half years with you and and that was the battles are awesome times that three Star Review Is Pretty Great William Grind out again like J. B. The next morning he hadn't shaving cream slaughters. You Nisa Shaving his head sued. I don't know if I've ever worked that hard opening that restaurant I remember like mopping floors with Oct Nov.. After like a seventeen hour shift and somehow we ended up we were like mopping floors at like two thirty in the morning. After being there for like sixteen hours you told the story about the sous-chef exact grammercy that was just like so intense about it and I was when I met you in I was like I don't think I've ever met anyone taken something seriously as you take this to felt like lately your life was on the line somehow. Why look back and I'm like I don't understand how it could have taken it also serious? It was crazy how come a long way in my old age like every I just you everyone I know he was insane insane. Yeah I don't know how did that get cultivated. I mean it had to become from Jonathan and I but it's like I don't think it was just you guys. It was just the industry then. Yeah but it was very everything was fucking serious and the investment in that restaurant to write. It was no joke. I mean it was a lot at at stake Tom. Yeah I mean. They spent a lot of money. Garbage dove I'll I know what was called exchange that immediately but again like we can about this whole thing like I just i. I really think about that as I am so blessed. Thank you for all the opportunity. Thank you for the hard talks you would have. And everything was just hilarious. We embark dog. It was it was a serious as it was which is hard to describe how serious it was deadly. We serious yeah. When did have time to be so fun? Can you remember how that happened now. I don't and I think it was like a release valve right. I think the laughter and the fun was just a way to lake. Release a little bit. Because we're all so wound up tight. It was crazy. Yeah I learned so much and I never get that opportunity ever again where you couldn't find out apetit. What restaurant could you learned that like? I wanted to work Saturday mornings. 'cause there's just me and Autar ah I got to cook everything. Yeah get. It started for for for dinner. Service doing all the braces making everything. I learn more that doing that. And I'm like when I think about that opportunity. Yeah well we didn't do lunch rates all day. It was prep like focus crap and we did a lot of charcuterie back then. We're doing one of the things. I was super proud of is making my own Delano to do and I had the metal the Metal Robo Coo and I would like Phil Freezer Sir. I would feel like one gallon freezer bags with ice. I remember duct tape the I would duct tape the ice around the metal bowl of the Robo Coo because I had to get it super cold old so I could whip all the fat into the poor. No you don't have explained to me. I remember that stuff whole pigs. We'd like bone out whole pigs and we would stuff the middle and more at the Dell and roll and and then poached thou and we would like tour shown the entire pig with all the more detail in it and then slice it like Delhi me and it was just so beautiful. I think it's still in the craft. I think that's in the craft book. It's not any it's the recipe that no one ever tried giants duct tape frozen bags of ice surrounding a metal roof right step one duct tape. You're frozen nobody ever made that recipe. Gone all of those. I remember all of that Hsieh. I laughed I went to Japan. That's right and I came back and I didn't know what to do but when I came back it was. Hey Marco's leaving you have planned. Yeah and that that was like Whoa. You help craft steak. Yeah Ben Crafts Bar on in Charleston. But that didn't pan out so then everything started to change range when Benaud and you it really. Yeah Vano decided he was gonNA take the job running moving to California to be back to French on your run per se. That's right and when did you start to plan like you know what I gotta run. Shop Will Katie Greco who was the GM at craft at the time and we opened that restaurant together and built it out altogether. Her husband was Paul Greco And he was like Uber. Serious Wind Guy at gramercy tavern for lots of years and he was I mean he was at gramercy. I Dunno for like six seven years and She kinda was like you guys should talk because you guys would make killer killer team And we did and we you know we worked up plan to try to raise some money and open up a restaurant. We started looking for real estate and and we found that spot on the corner of I twelve. which was Topo is the Mediterranean restaurant? Yeah it was Topo they came from ill BUCO and They opened restaurant called Topo. And it didn't last very long So we got a good deal in that corner. I mean it was pretty I mean what year is that two thousand. It was like two thousand three three open up two thousand two. Yeah we opened into. Yeah exactly so. We signed a lease somewhere two thousand two. What were you thinking like again full of ourselves? We thought it didn't matter we thought. Were you know lake. You could open wherever the fuck and like people are gonNA come. Because it's Paul Greco and Margaret Kinara. Unlike at the end of the day like at this city they can give a shit nobody an unforgiving city but it was. It was weird because it was first avenues at that time was like Siberia ask totally moving restaurant. And you're uh-huh right. You're right but you chase the deals right is still today. You chased deals and you symbol great team in how different opening hearth like what were you thinking. Where were you then? Look we were. I was obsessed us with like you know fine. Dining and three stars and like that was in my brain and Paul Greco had like gramercy tavern three star world and he was super buttoned up and he played that part and got dressed up in his his his beverage programs. were off the hook and like you know I was. I was feeling my oats. It's too like kraft was a huge success from bar was craft bar was delicious and awesome and I was so proud of that and craft was high high. Hi Hi stress and everybody was watching and like we delivered. We won best chef in the country that year. Jane's Beers restaurant restaurant. Sorry the best restaurant in the country James Beard and the and we got a glowing three star review from from grimes. And it's like that's the gold standard back then and everybody chefs to the. Yeah the first. Two years of that restaurant was unreal. Everybody came in everyone David Bowie and Iman and along and Lou Reed and like everybody. Game Rico chaotic reggae. Zik Gwyneth Paltrow. I mean and everybody came to that restaurant the first two years everybody talked about it it was a new concept it was a new thing and we hit it out of the park and you know thanks. Thanks to unbelievable team we had right and it was like. Did you think about the huge moment in my career because it was basically like do I want to go out and raise money and open a restaurant on first than twelfth or do I wanna be like you know the number one guy for the time clicky oh like world. It was a big huge important decision for me And toiled over that decision for a long time because look if I had stayed eight I would still be. I'd probably be a lot of ways way better off like financially explain that because for all intensive purposes. You've you've been wildly successful restaurant. Be Fifteen plus years yeah. Central Ohio is interesting on the other side. Grass is always greener Aaron. I gotTa tell you like it's nothing but you know you often you often refer to sisyphus and it's just like I. I could relate so strongly to that because because it it doesn't get easier. It only gets harder and I think The last twenty years probably would have been in a little less stressful and a little bit more Maybe rewarding from a financial perspective Certainly not from a personal perspective because the biggest pay day for me over the past sixteen years at hearth and growing bro has been and Building Culture and building relationships. And and and fuelling my creativity and having a place to do that and not just creativity through food but creativity through every aspect of running a business. Because I think there's you know people get caught up with the notion of creativity how it has to be about art. But I think there's there's ways to be creative in every aspect of what you do when you run a business And I feel also lucky to have The ability to have outlets to be creative and was worth the stress of. I mean that's the million in dollar question. I don't know it's like sometimes I feel like you know I don't know how you know I worry about the last twenty years of stress and how it's going to manifest as I age because like lately I've been very focused and into my health and I think think it happens to everyone as you get older on fifty one now and it's like I really care about what I eat and I really am conscious about moving every day and I'm super I try to like control control my thinking and meditate and do sauna and I do all this stuff and I really care about it but you know the fact is is like the twenty five years of fucking grinding being in this city and Oh my God I smoked for lots of years and drinking alcohol and not eating well and and the stress of running opening craft and opening hearth and opening. NCAA like those years are behind me. And there's nothing I can do about them now and it's like sometimes I wonder what are the implications of those sack those years of sacrifice. I don't know but you're told that's what you have to do. Get totally like you're in New York. It's the big leagues like you have to grind and you have to push Russian like you know it's funny because there's a backlash against that mentality today and and it's interesting You know you just talked about it the other day I listened to you with Brian couple. Brian your help woman and this idea of like to succeed you have to like which do that and you know. I don't know I would like to debate that. I would like to debate that because I think that it isn't always the best path right. I think that having an I hate this word. It's so cliche but having some semblance of balance where you you have have some emphasis around your habits and your you know your eating habits and your sleeping habits and taking care of your physical self and your mental self I I I believe that ultimately that will allow you to do anything else you try to do better. But there's I think you know you have the work eighty five hours a week. Margot walking sleep four hours a night and work. You know work until you can't stand straight and that's the only way to be great. That's that's fucking bullshit. I don't believe it. I don't know if you could understand that without doing that and honesty like when would you. How was there any? I mean I think about a lot to how was there any other way. Yeah back then honestly there was literally it was so fucking hard man. It was so yeah you did. It have the option to work seven hours right. I mean it was like Oh man I think I should stress was there. You could mitigate against the stress but because Iro file restaurant because you work so hard. Yeah because you cared about the nookie being so fucking perf right right like it. It helped drive the team. And that's how you wanted to do was feel bad for yourself right so collectively. It was like bringing motherfuckers. Let's go legit Ola. No Oh and I don't I think about a lot. There's no way it could have been any other way and I don't think you should feel bad about it because you have a different view of but now I just I just don't believe in the notion of the only way to achieve greatness as by doing that. I think you could be fucking great and not do that too. I really do. I think we're all trying to figure figure out if that is a way. Raga believe it's away right but can you you. You can see that way without going to the dark side. And everything in Star Wars Man. We were the fucking dark side Seth. That was the way it was like vengeance in pain. And we're going to inflict it. We're going to suffer as much as humanly possible to make. The food is delicious as possible. And it's highly effective tip. You get really great results. Yeah but you destroy yourself and everyone else around. Yeah it's not it's not okay and it's just it's not the way of the world today so that's edits over but it's hard to be balanced it. It's harder to be balanced and thoughtful and empathetic than it is to lose your temper. The right the question is do you think that the dining public has become more forgiving. An empathetic no. Not at all in fact I think. Do you think that that's where kind of some of the struggle is. Because everybody everybody we all we all believe in the notion of like having a good life and taking care of everybody and like never but then it's like then it's like this like yeah you know it's got to permeate across the board and it hasn't yet and it's a real problem in a real challenge like I'm challenged with that at hearth every day right because it's like and you say this a lot is like the prices on our menu should be twenty percent more at least at least at least and that would be amazing amazing because then it would be able to treat everybody that much better but if I did that today I would lose thirty percent market share. At least we'll be right back after word from our sponsors. 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Yeah no two stars never got three stars hours or for that matter But but it's like I just had a conversation with a young cook who worked at hearth for awhile and she came in to eat just two nights ago. She opened a restaurant out in Seattle somewhere. And we had this really wonderful conversation And I convinced her took me a while to get there. But it's like you know the thing that matters in this business in my opinion is like giving a shit about the people who walk through your door every night and that's it and like I feel like the world we live in today has taken a lot of power away from the gatekeepers and ultimately that's awesome because you have to build it slow and real and the way to build a slow in real is to like care about the people who come in and like empty their wallets every night when you have to win them over every night and that's all you need to do you don't need to obsess and like I'm so guilty of it because I chased I chased after stars and I chase the night chase and I was disappointed. 'cause I never got him and it's just like it's such a it's such an awful path and it's like I try to encourage to every young cook that will listen to me or anybody. WHO's a Shafir running a business where they could be subjected to this notion of a review system? And it's like Mike you gotta get over it like it's not they. Don't hold the power you know I think about Akhtar too right. Yeah Yeah when. He opened his restaurant at eighth. Street makes still now my God. Is it really me too is so it's funny. You brought that up because that's one of the thorns in my fucking side for sure because that restaurant was so great it was gray was so great it makes me mad makes colonel man to if you're you're not aware Nawab without a doubt and have to ask you is probably one of the best cook you ever worked with in your life. Yep Killing it today. By the way he's would just own nice but man there were some fucking dark darkness in between and I. I couldn't be happier for what he's done and how he reinvented himself. MM sound hundred percent but you know what you can talk about Schubert's all you want and certainly there is a healthy dose. A dose of IT WITH OC tar but it was with everyone because he was fucking can really good and he did everything you know. Let me back up. I look at you guys as my mentors older brother figures. And I've always loved you guys because you did everything the right way. There was never a shred of like compromising integrity. He just was never anything. The open in any fucking recipe. There's no no throw it out. Oh you took shortcut throw it out dude. I kept that I keep that with May to this moment. And however that happened from cleanline- you name it and how you guys respected your elders and things that came before you due respecting the farmers from both vegetables to the people that gave you the meets the whole process was beautiful to me and I was just like this is how it has to be done. Yeah and Ach. Dr Did that and his first restaurant and nobody acknowledged that. And it's just the worst. Are the key rose to the rank spent all his time with. Tom Got accolades after activates and then raised a million dollars. A lot of it loan from family members opens an original restaurant serving his rate bar program at a beautiful design serving his integrity. INDIAN-AMERICAN GROWN UP LOUISVILLE KENTUCKY WITH FILE delicious. who was that Bruni? Someone that was very nice to me he sure will share was yeah And that was hard man and I don't think anyone knew what to do. Oh and that's the thing is like Marco like you did everything right you. You'd literally helped define a neighborhood that existed. Obviously well. Oh before anything else but it turned into you. Help turn the village into a real thing. You know what I mean. Yeah Eh wasn't just trumbull. These pizza I'd like to think it helped you open Momofuku where you did. It is the reason. Yeah we opened up right one and a half blocks away. Yeah Yeah every day I would come up and ask Marco we have a cigarette or something and element on what's going on. Yeah scratch hunter lying on the fucking stupid it because I was just totally in shock what was happening and the only reason I open up there was it was literally a block and a half away from New York. 'cause it was like older brothers up the street street. Yeah and and we're both still there so grazing I'll tell you the truth. If you guys didn't do it the right way. I would have done the same thing I mean like but because you guys had so expertly done it the right way and pay that road so deficiently quite frankly like all of you guys had all the bases covered not just you from Shea Galante Brad Thompson you name it all these shafts did the right fucking thing spent the time when abroad. Whatever Yup and I'm like what fucking room is there for a guy like me and that's literally the truth? If you weren't as good on your niche I'll say but that's the only reason and I think it was hard for me to see the people that taught me how to cook and I think truly are way better at it than me like all I wanted for you guys to do is to like get whatever you guys wanted and it was hard for me to you man. 'CAUSE may not appreciate any of the success that came our way zero a fucking hated it. I remember how miserable you were. It was a shocking to the it was so shocking it suck me. I think you've always struggled with that a little bit. Dave like to figure out a way to like you know enjoy it a bit for Fuck Sake God for people that work in this industry. Can you find joy in this in. Like I'll tell you the truth really hard to now and I'm doing all right I I I really pick my moments and I really like. I really want drinking I still drink. I mean I've never been a big drinker I still I mean it's one of the it's one of the things where I find joy the the fact that I I've lately become in I've tried to notice and have gratitude for all the things. I'm lucky you to have like the other day. I made myself soup for lunch. And it's like I took a bit of the pork sausage in Black Hail Ragu that we have for Brunch and I took some of these big huge beans that were making it on the menu at hearth and I went to the Bodo Window and poured some hearth broth and a heated up and I made this like quick beautiful lunch bowl of soup for lunch. And I'm like I was like this is fucking amazing because so many people are out in the world and they have to buy their lunch. Inch aren't great. And I fell. I had such a moment of gratitude because like I'm surrounded by incredibly healthful well full delicious food all the time and I have great liquor and great wine and great food and great people will around me every day and like that's amazing and I you know so. Is that enough. I'm trying to find the joy in a younger version Margot Argo or the same thing when you look at younger cooks or chefs for the first time. And all they're thinking about is. I will only have validation for for myself if I win a fucking awarded. Now that's I know that's that's my new. That's why I tried to preach everybody not to do that to themselves. No because it's a lie. How do you How do you do that? I know I know I mean that's the whole you know that's the whole notion of mentorship right. It's like you know. Teach try to teach people the lessons before they have to learn it the hard way but do you still love it as much as more than ever. I love it. You know. I've been able to step away and I have of an unbelievable team and Luigi. Petrocelli is like running the kitchen for a Lotta years now and Christine right in the front of the House and like they they treat it like their own and we've created beautiful little family there and I think I'm able to enjoy it because I was able to step away from it. I think that if I was still embedded in the ticket machine at dinner service every night. I'm not sure I would still be able to have kind of a joyful. Will Loving relationship with that restaurant Because that's like a burnout job like to run To literally run the kitchen every night is like just too much so I feel you know I love it because I've been fortunate enough to kind of step away from a little bit. You got me mad to you just thinking about it. I was like I remember talking to critics because I was like dude. Where's your favorite restaurant hearth? There was like Oh. It's a lot like the food across. 'cause that's mark I mean yes. It's Tom's restaurant. Tom Had his vision. Here here here. But it's like craft but it was composed. I'm like thus far kidding. Yeah I when I when I think about it too. It's like it did make me me mad because if they if we can't judge Quality Josh Jeans on and that fucking guy is a lunatic and sourcing early like sourcing ingredients to the point where he makes his own salt right. Wow like a lunatic. And that's why it's so good and so expensive. Whatever but if people people have a hard time judging quality how they are going to understand technique in the tent and I just have always thought you're one of the best chefs honestly because impartial? Because he taught me so much. But how do you feel about doing something. I understand that you are like at another place but I still think it's important to talk about well. Why are you going to be doing something? If you'RE GONNA be judged by people that don't get it and you're not the one that's doing something wrong. Yeah but listen Dave Ivan. I've been simple subtle guy right and that does not re- talk about not resonating with the food critics of the world. It's like and I've always. I've always voiced this opinion and I still believe it and I still say which is restaurant. Critics eat route three hundred times a year. And if you want something to resonate with a critic that's ease out three hundred times a year. It better not be Naqui with butter and cheese and sage right and better not be a perfectly cooked this or a simple that because it's not gonNA in a fucking resonate with you know those critics out there and and that's been me my whole life Lake Cook One way like I love. Simplicity like I love less is more like I love clean. Simple food like one of my dishes forever. It's been a plate of neo key with butter like bets it and sea salt and it's like I don't care how perfect those are. You're not GonNa get an Adam Platt or some other guy who eats out three hundred and twenty times a year to to be like Holy Shit so let's break this down like subtlety with subtlety and simplicity is loss. I can trace that whole fucking God damn recipe. How you grew? It's the same dish. But my God that is like a tolstoy novel just in the now I know it and it makes me weep honest when I think about the beauty of that. Yeah I appreciate Shokhin in and all that stuff all I'm saying is we are appreciating it in the wrong perspective perspective and you should be defined by that dish. 'cause I'll be argue. There are a lot of different ways to make you know for sure. My God Yes tons without trying all the Nokia in the world. I would say that your way of making Yoki is probably the fucking hardest way too. He had had no It went from potato from a traditional yogi recipe. I guess sort of Potato Idaho potato flower two eggs YEP and every which way to boil or baked potatoes. Yeah remember remember how many different ways you decided on a whim you would come in and Marquez's way spinning a towel is move and they'd be like no. We're going to do it. This swipe your in a slice them and you're going to cook them on a preferential age. You know whatever and this time you're gonNA sliced in half and score on this way it would change so much tweaked and learned every day was great and then I was like I think this guy's out of fucking mind but no I was like. Oh He's like it's about the fucking crystals man you gotta get trust. It's true it's true crystals some homework do some homework. You're like No age the potatoes aging the potatoes. True 'cause under melts starch AIDS AIDS them and man like a good day for you. Everyone was like because I will be in charge of cut in the Nokia. How the potatoes crystals? Because the ruin. If it wasn't good service may go off the rails. It's hilarious sure right like little things and you're so in tune with this fucking dish. Three ingredients at the time and the pickup was just butter bramante yet reggiano and salt and pepper locked up. Yeah and then you got you change the cooking method you started. Aj potatoes and then you got rid of eggs yup and then in total sense. 'cause what you've figured I was like man. I figured out how to drive the potatoes. I figured out how to get the star contact content. The goal is to not use any flower at all. Yeah Yeah can you imagine as little flowers needed but the minimum effective dose of flour. Because if you can theoretically turn the potato into star cheap deep that would be the dream. Yeah right I know this. Yeah so every time I've ever had your Gnocchi I'm like manage closer. He's getting closer instituted. Drink yeah and it's literally the heart warming thing for me to know that this thing potato dish over twenty years it is still tweaking towards perfection. And if that's not three stars or fucking the best one of the best stores you ever hear about who you can't get one star a Michelin at hearth okay. It doesn't matter man. People love that restaurant and I love the people that come there and we have such a good group of people like it's so it's so doesn't matter anymore really doesn't I love that place and people love that place which is the best feeling people come in and they're like God gotTa love this place and like that's it that's everything it's incredibly delicious. Yeah simple wholesome soup. YEA rebel leader fucking Christ but you know the for me like my favorite story is like how you know now. I get off on serving a cup cup of broth because it's like this notion of making it simpler and simpler and simpler. It's like there's something about a cup of hearth broth that that is like it's like the the essential nature of that cup. Br Office something like that is getting me so jazzed. So how does this whole broth thing thing happens. Just like 'cause you obsessed it didn't happen craft. It's my NUKII Cup of Broth. When did happen at heart because you always make stocks? Yeah this hearthrow authors the Universal Broth. I've been using since crafts through through do in San may through heart of what the hearth broth. It's no is the broth. I grew up eating as a kid that literally my mother would make this broth for holidays. And it's a you know it's is a big piece of lake tough beef meat. It's like a Turkey drumstick. And it's like a whole stewing hen or you know it would just be like a big nasty chicken and like those three things together with Mir by tomato product Cooked for Pretty Damn longtime and it would just make the most delicious not super like Wadey but thin at the same time because like Irby's like what's the difference between stock and Broth Blah Blah. It's it's like the Italians make broth with more meat in it and the French make broth with more joints and bones so one. It lends itself to reduction because there's more gelatin and the other lends itself to flavor because they like to eat lighter in Italy and it's like the Italian version of hearth broth with a lot of meat in it is like Sesotho so savory and like to sip it is just. I think it's really enjoyable way more Asian right well this. I brought Tom Yum for you. But even still like it's like more meat and then you use something like you make a salad out of the meat or something like that. You have the BRA. Well Yeah we would always make croquettes out of the of the meat further Growing up Fuck Margaret your sister your unique such good food and I just think about all the shoes to do. It's a lot shit you. We came up with. Yeah Blige's yeah. Final why onions fennel celery and onion instead of Cara so free those words at a wanted to like show you this thing. 'cause I just saw it in my local h mart they have a Goya makes the Frito they used to put it in a can the good but now they put it in Now put Jars no-one free toe like retail dude. My dream is to make so the label on this Goya's of free does the the ingredient panel is like. It's really it's really long and and there's not a lot of great things in there and like I wanna do I WANNA do a clean label so Frito man I would. That would be way down and yeah with broth into Frito. You could make so many delicious. Things you made me do Afrita crude-oil yeah pickled sardines that's one of my favorite dishes. They say that was on the opening menu of craft. It's a free cruiser. Also one of my favorite underrated dishes. Oh you did was the brace Frito yes delicious. Yes also problem. My favorite Margaret Roberto Veins in is the is the catalina beans. Yeah that was the old amuse. Yes but just the beans at some when they were hot. The summit yeah simple delicious sneer. Some good food. I mean. We're still doing that hard to see food. Yeah Yup I mean we've even turned up more at hearth earth with like the quality thing like we're only using grass fed butter today. You can talk about downstairs. Talk about this change in like how it all happen. Yup and there was what the shift was was so someone hasn't been in a while like it's all the same but not the same. Yeah well it Kinda shifted when I split with Paul because it started it was like wow I really have an opportunity now to like do whatever I want. It's not like a it doesn't need to be a joint decision because now I had kind of of all the decision rights and and it was on the heels of Bro and the success of Bronco in the positioning of Bro and and I just thought you know I I really really wanNA speak the same language with hearth and hearth had always cared about seasonality in quality. And that's how you know. Craft was like that but I was never never like forward with it in the narrative or in the marketing of the restaurant and I was like you know because you can use it was a given that. Yeah because that is I never did did like these are my farmers and these are my things I always just. I was always a fan of lake. Not saying anything and just being like you know Yoki would did you ever seen. He's got the best shit. Yes exactly but I never talked about it and I was like wait a minute. Like the more I learned about vow. How few people really using the greenmarket and the more? I learn from listening to cook who had like trail around about like things that were going on in the industry. There's some really great restaurants I was like. You know what I feel like I feel like the world is ready to you know and the other thing that made me do it was is the fact that as I started bro as I started getting interested in grocery I was lake. You could walk the aisles of whole foods and I can learn more about all the food on buying and whole foods than I can in the in the fine dining restaurant culture of New York City and I was like I want to I JUST WANNA be. I WANNA be more out with the kinds of things that I'm buying because I always had the approach of I don't need to say it's a given in like we're just getting good stuff and I was like you know what maybe I do. Need to say it. Because I don't think people were connecting the dots. So you know I started talking about the fact that we're milling our own flour in the basement and I started talking about the fact that we're not using commodities butter like we're getting thank grass-fed local grass fed butter and I just started being way more vocal about The raw material Israel choices and it served us well. I also changed the format right. We weren't app an entree because because like my apps we're going to start popping twenty twenty bucks in my entrees. We're GONNA start popping forty dollars if I stayed to that old model of like protein centric entrees and like you. Couldn't you couldn't do it so I was like you know. We got rid of. The APP entree model. Everything was just a plate of food and we started talking a lot more about about you. I know where we got everything and and it was amazing because I watched the demographic of that restaurant change overnight and it went from it went from blue hairs to twenty. somethings in a matter of two three months and it was extraordinary. And I'm really glad I did it because it's like it's the two two point. Oh version of hearth that began at the ten year mark and that was a fun reunion. Do Those L.. My God you were there for that that's right. You were one of the cooks and Tom was doing his lobsters from raw remember. That could his lobsters Larrea area so great fun night. Simple ass fudd night. I have that menu still somewhere in the restaurant. It was an unbelievable night but it's amazing. After ten years we kind of we redid it all and like we launched the brand new restaurant. I mean it's still hard but it's been great. It's been great. We've been busy and people really appreciate. It was the last time you had you know. My favorite recipe actually is reveal breast We haven't had that on the while. You never know why. Well I won't do it today because I can't find good quality veal it's like I wish Roseville became a thing thing in this country. But it's like it's GonNa take four. I mean four story. Does it once in a while. But it's like you know it all goes to Dan Barbara or something. I don't know it's like I can't get my. I can't can't get my hands on good Roseville like grass-fed Mother's milk veal is impossible to get so I don't do. I don't use veal anymore. And we. Jews are meatballs BALSA beef. 'cause I couldn't get a good quality. Veal your Meat Marco Ban all these fucking dishes so good. You're meatballs in fact we need to come and visit US soon. Parking long rebel leader just went on the menu. So you gotta come for your annual. Your annual bowl of Rube Abelida veal breast though talk. That was so good. These are like Oh my God that was good and cramps. Fresh cranberry beans so good. Yeah are are using fresh beans now at the restaurant anymore. Not New York but by ends on the market another staple of Marco that did not understood as your master Tuscan man being eater so many Lorna bean eater. Yeah and fresh beans is something that I hope becomes more recognized. Denies is like a sought after thing. Because like I still don't. There's so many people that don't understand the notion of a fresh shelling being and their extraordinary fresh beans. I'M GONNA BE IN I. You know what just talking right now. One of us are all of us should actually compile a bunch of fucking stories every and they're so funny. Did I tell you the story with Keller and Beto now it is literally the week that crossbar open and like all of a sudden craft bars open. And then your menu with to sage leaves balls in Hammond Taleggio that out of the woods and it just like we had all these new cooks. They're trying to figure out how to get equipment and your veal recorded meatball. So good had someone had taken a equipment off my station and I was like who took it in like James tracers like some one of the nudes over next door so past past run. Run around faulk. I'M GONNA kill this guy can't believe they took my shift and literally. They put a whole next door on in the building. I turned the corner era. And some dude caramel the person's name with my equipment in his we might whatever my knife or something and his left hand kissed me the and it was all the meatballs GRANDPA. They was bringing down for whatever reason and they all flew all over the place. I mean balls everywhere. Marco's delicious meatballs stuck everywhere in covered in red sauce. And the whole time it was like I'm like how do I go to miss that one. Yeah Years I I'm hearing this story and I was like 'cause back. I don't remember like October and would like to aprons because you get in trouble of you dirty and I was like. I don't have time for member that you'd I have four glean aprons on one. That's hilarious. It might turn the corner and I see God. It's Thomas Keller Jonathan Benno sitting sitting right there in front of me and I'm like covered in sauce or no. No what do I do. I don't why can't walk away way to anything. What am I supposed to do? So don't even have a place to my dirty hand and Jonathan Davie Goes Chef Chef David Chang and he reaches out his hand. I have tomato sauce all over my hand. I shake his hand and so I will have your meat. Balls will always be synonymous with meeting chef Keller with minerals in my face in hair on drinking this broth in it's delicious. This is what the time young. It's a it's coconut milk curry spice from Our friend at Lewa and LEUR And Lime juice and Chili. It will make it like Alan Minute at the shop. Where the locations in New York He's still in the first one in West village so upper west and soon upper east. Wow we have a six month year kiosk at astor place and what what. What's the move if you haven't been to a broader store? Would you do so basically think of it as a coffee shop and instead of serving coffee were serving broth so we serve broth in a small enlarge cups with sicklids And you could treat those. We have four different broth and then you could treat them with all these different combos an atom. So this is the Tom Yum. And there's also the spicy no which is roasted garlic and Chili In the deeply rooted is to Merick Ginger. So we have fun with is like it's very easy as a chef for so long to come up with things to add to broth like we froth it with different butters and different Geeze and So there's so many things things that you can incorporate into this simple cup of broth to make all kinds of flavorful drinks. So here's your opportunity to talk shit about all the fucking competitors. So you're when you're going to Russia talker. I know you're fucking Shit. Talk avoid you are look. I'm not going there. Come on I'm not going to name any names. Don't Lanier aims why everyone on. What kind of shortcuts does everyone else take that you don't okay? Well there's a lot of them. I am so. The vast majority of broth in the marketplace is made by buying base which is essentially like a period version of Leon Cube. And you put the base into a big big big big pie and you add water and you cook it for like an hour and then you have like a ton of broth that you just label and put it into into a box or a can or whatever and that's like the vast majority of broth in the in the commercial market is that and if they do decide to cook it for real will. Are they buying the products that you buy. I mean look. I don't know how everybody else is doing it. I could tell you that You know how they say when you don't know what you're doing sometimes you do things and you know because you're stupid and you don't know and it's like we we fill pots. Yes with bones. I mean I make broth. We make broth commercially. The way you craft. That's all I know right and like I'm doing that now. and a lot of people are like you're out of your fucking mind but I'm kind of like I was one of. There's only one there's only one I mean. Look the the only way I know how to make Brian. Nobody's GonNa tell me like. Oh well if you want to sell it here then it means you have to make it this way. And it's like I refuse to believe and so it down with Marco advice like you're out of your mind you can't do at this scale but you are and we are and that's why not changing and you never get an I just just. You've never taken a fucking shortcut man. Don't even with this. You're buying the best. You're cooking the same way we would do would that you taught me how how to do it. It's how we make it and that's why the only way to make it. Yeah it is delicious and I hope that at the end of the day. It's hard though because in a grocery setting you can't taste stuff stuff so you know it's hard to it's hard to educate in that channel but we are all in on it and You know I'd like to believe that it's is all about people you know you have to repurchase it right so people will try it but they have to love it to buy it again and like. That's the key to like building something in a grocery channel. I believe in hope so the hope is that little by little people will try it and be like Holy Shit this does taste different. What are the size? Is it being delicious right which it is. Yeah what are the Hellenists. Yeah I mean. They're so they're so long. Like I like to get out out of the functional. You know there's a ton of functional benefits to good broth but one of the one of the things that I kind of hone in on is like I want this I get. I want this to be a hack for people to cook more at home because like I believe cooking for your family and cooking for your friend and cooking for yourself. L. Fear on food is one of the best things you can do for your mind and your body and your health and having a good quality broth available to you to insert into your cooking at home is one of the best time hacks there is so I would say the biggest benefit is to understand what it means to the have broth as a staple in your kitchen and that will lead to tons of benefits functional and otherwise But if you if it's like health and wellness conversation the station. All the benefit comes from the amino acids structure that is in that collagen protein. There's L. Blue Demean in there and there's glycemic in there and there's a lot of studies ladies despite a lot of people saying there's proof about Roth there's proof about the elements of broth and there's plenty of studies about blazing and there's plenty have studies about El Gouna mean to things that are very prominent in in our broth and traditionally made broth. And it's like it helps heal your gut lining and It helps lubricate your joints and it helps hydrate yourself Helps you recover. Well it helps you produce more Collagen in in your body and it's just like it's insane. How many benefits there are and the other thing I like to say and I'm going to take advantage of being on your show to say this? It's like people have been consuming traditionally made broth on every corner of the world for hundreds and hundreds of years and like for me. That's enough like I don't I don't need. I don't need a study like everybody wants to debate about what to eat. And what not to eat. And whatever and it's like I would dare say we should look at what we've been eating humans for a lot of years on every corner of the globe to drive decisions and broth is something thing we've been consuming for hundreds and hundreds of years on every corner of the globe and we need to get back to it because it's very valuable for cooking for health and delicious. Yeah I say the world's first comfort food is like it's as comforting as Mac and cheese except it's really fucking good for you cups. We just had had four. It's delicious and I didn't know I thought he was bringing Dunkin. donuts coffee Mug but giant Gallon Jug. Doug abroad that. We've now it's delicious. It's delicious and we're shipping it e-commerce too. So Oh you said you had a discount. Yeah Dave fifteen fifteen percent off bro. Dot Com Bro. Dot Com. Dave fifteen fifteen dave fifteen and ship ship it to you anywhere in the US. Good for the holidays. Good for Thanksgiving dinner gas them a recipe. Before your broth for Thanksgiving there will just make a ruin at hearth broth to it. And then put some chops age and Rosemary. And you've got an unbelievable gravy done. If you don't make it your a loser Marco Chef thank you so much. Always have to call chef but I appreciate it. It's been it's been great. I've been hoping that we were going to have this conversation at some point. 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DtSR Episode 339 - Insuring Against Acts of Cyber War

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47:47 min | 2 years ago

DtSR Episode 339 - Insuring Against Acts of Cyber War

"They say they say we should have known bad then to Saudi down d- down into this rabbit. It's time again, the venture down the rabbit hole into the world, cyber security your blood into the podcast for security leaders and practitioners with a business sense. Prepare for unique interviews insights and practical advice that makes your job just as Benazir and now, please welcome your guides on this adventure jeans jar dean, and the white rabbit's up all those. Welcome to yet. Another addition of down the security rabbit hole podcast. Welcome down the rabbit hole. This is raff and walking back. My my podcast life partner. James? How are you buddy? Good. Did you did you survive a week at RSA? I so you know, what I took the I can't I can't do RSA for the entire week anymore. So I flew back on Thursday night. But the only flight that was reasonable was the eleven thirty to seven AM flight, San Francisco, Atlanta, which I guess if I was in first class, and I have reclined been okay. But that was brutal. And the only way to follow that up the following week is the exact same flight from Seattle to Atlanta. So I survived. I think is the right way to put it. Yep. I know that feeling man I did that same flight from Seattle to Atlanta the two years ago. That's awful. It's pretty brutal sitting and roll like Twenty-three be. Yes, right. Middle row, although halfway in the back as frigging ridiculous. So anyway, so we've got we've got a fun fun conversation for you listeners today. I am sitting in an office here. Beautiful where we on Dallas, plano, plano. We're playing, Sean. Howdy. You guys know shots on a couple of times, which means that this five gas is going to have a legal twist to it and not to not to not to be little that point. We've got George plazas on the on the line with dozens well, George. Having me, so George tell us a little bit about you. Because I think you're a new voice to the to the listeners here. Sure, I am. Thank you to might cyber adventure. Brother, Sean when plighted me the guys for having. That's it with a cyber eventers. So my own background is actually a little bit of everything. It's mosh pot. So he started in business. It's member gency management went into a little bit law and came into the cyber security side. I've been a big fan in big pusher of focusing on the human vulnerability side the entire policy. How we interact with our devices. So I focus on stuff business continuity to social engineering inside at rats, psychological, warfare, maintaining your data keeping manipulation degradate had been formation dominance. So that's where I sorta come in. And I hope I will contribute to this wonderful topic because we need to figure out what these definitions are were ever going to your out out to solve these problems. Yeah. No doubt. No doubt. So folks on this all started with a I if you watch me on Twitter every once in a while, I catch a news story, and I'll do my customer paging. Sean timber the gas microphone, this one could not have been more perfect. The headline in security magazine is zero refuses to pay out for not pet. You do to act of war which immediately fascinated me because I'm like act of war. I don't recall this. But it turns out that these I'll link back to you in the show notes, which I'm sure you all read, right? So the the condensed version of this. There's one hundred million dollar payout on an insurance policy that manga lease the confectionery giant as they are lost. Basically, we're looking for for policy payout to cover losses incurred from the not pet yet ransomware campaign, and then somebody went ahead and attributed not paid yet to a we'll call nation state. And suddenly, it became this thing where I think we've suddenly declared that as an act of war. It was very interesting. So George, Sean one of you guys take this because I this is where my brain starts to starts to fizzle. How do you consider that an act how do we have an active over here? Well, it starts with the language of the policy. I'm a huge fan of cyber insurance. I mean, it's something that I've been preaching for years. Mid something on courage, my clients to investigate into get and and I work with several cyber insurance companies. And so I'm a huge fan of of the insurance. But at the end of the day insurance is a contract and your insurance policy isn't contract between the insurance carrier and the policy hold and. You know, the the language of the policy has meaning and in this case what we're dealing with here is an exception to the coverage. So basically the policy covered in this type of cyber attack. Right. But then it had an exception in their this said, it does not cover a hostile or warlike action in a time of peace or war Hasso, basically, a hostile everything's a hostile action. There's a little bit more to it including action in hindering combating or defending against an actual impending or expected attack by any government or sovereign power their military, naval or air force or get this or agent or thority of any party specified in one or two above so of any government or sovereign, okay? Or any agent or? Authority of the so somebody did read the policy properly or maybe they just assumed. Right. Well, so so that's great. Right. That's what the policy says. But the problem is now that we have politicized hacking so much. Ah-ha going. Everything's the Russians of using us poor little Americans. Yeah. What is not now covered under this exclusion? And that's where the problem comes. If that's the case. And if everything's the Russians while he got much bigger problems. Yeah. Wow. Well, so that that is that is fascinating. Because I think so this wouldn't have had the the exclusion wouldn't have been triggered until unless somebody came out and and made the attribution right, right? And what happened is after in February of twenty seventeen what's called the five Alliant, right, which the US Canada, Australia New Zealand in the UK attributed this not PECH attack to the Russians. And that's that's where this game in. Georgetti thoughts on this. Yeah. I like to color view of the comments that Shawn said, I like how focused on that. This is a contract problem is we have be shipping different definitions, especially in the cyber world in the information tech world. So I'm going to pull up just as a reference point right now eighteen s go twenty thirty one which is definitions. It says what is will be subcentral for the term act of war means any of the occurring in the course of a declared war the armed conflict. Whether or not war has been declared between two or more nations or see armed conflict between military forces of any origin now. So this is a US interpretation of that's been coda fi. The U K does not necessarily have something similar over. While John said, it was one of the by visors the UK that belief attributed they focus more on a hi. Treason as their sort of active for this could be depriving the sovereign of the crown lipping war against sovereign to coerce, the the houses of the parliament. Or here's one more. I think the its moved to stir a foreigner ten baby UK. So I we have five I alliance would generally works together, but they are still different Gers stitches, and I will my law backgrounds in constitutional law, and I will defer to to Sean p disagrees agrees with this law is function of two weeks away, jurisdiction and enforcement. So can you work within this area are these mile Bals number one? And if I am working within these bounds. What are my infotainment mechanisms Cyrus destroyed all globalized economy, all of this is gone right now because we're going cross border on everything whose jurisdiction of flies. Going back to Medicom at Sean that just colorants. Everything's the Russians. I think real turning point came in June of twenty twelve there was times article titles called Obama word speed up a wave of cyber attacks against Iran believe it was written by David Sanger. It was sort of the first open admission that Stuxnet was being used the problem with that open. Admission even though everyone that this sort of going on anyone that's been bowling was buying having that admission in a public space, it elicited a response now avant to back on so on the Sony hack. He said this was an active war because if you do not have these parameters these bounds. You will get what we have right now Zurich month of so who's drew. They should flies who's enforcing it nation applies. These are bigger questions that we need to answer before we start going down this rival, well, and that's a great like that the rabbit hole. I have we we get that from Hannah. Purpose was it. The key here. I think I think George you raise a great point in that we lawyers or looking at at definitions of act of war people and businesses and have expectations of what they think in sort of feel act of war means, yeah. And that's their expectations. But then we look at the language of the policy, which is what governs in the language of the policy doesn't use the words we've all been using. And then all of these articles were reading use the articles all say active war, the policy says hostile or warlike action hostile. Where like I mean, that's could be literally anything could be anything. And so then, you know, you take that down in combined that with the agent or a thority of a state actor could grief that that cover. I mean, look that covers. All and so what requires us to be able to say that's a state actor it requires somebody some vendor out there. Right. Who wants to you know, some start up the decide that they wanna make name for themselves. They're gonna go attributed to Russia China North Korea or God only knows where right? And suddenly, we have attribution does is like what's the level of attribution that we like, George, Sean? What do we prove it? And see in look we're talking about the technical language of the policy right now. But from. You know from from a legal standpoint the policy supports that the decision reading just the the language of the policy ashes what what governs the four corners or the eight corners of the document is they say, but you know, the all saying of just because you can doesn't mean you should Reich. I'm so and in this case, the cyber insurance industry is gaining a lot of momentum right now in a lot of positive momentum of people recognizing in need for this coverage. Sometimes, you know, if you take a position like this, you have companies making that same analysis that we're talking about saying God, what's actually covered that's not precluded by this exception. And so then you get into court in you've got to say, okay, we're we're talking about an exception to coverage here that means Surik is going to bear the burden of proof on this defense. Have to prove that it's a it's a state act. That's right. And so all we have is is the five eyes alliance. This how do you prove that in court? So they're taking a position on coverage a lot of publicity. And now they got to go to court in prove it was the Russians with admissible evidence in court of wall. About leasing publicly, you know by by getting a lot of bad publicity about it. And then losing in court not because you're wrong. But because you can't prove your position at George eighty five. That's exactly right, like eight back on Shaun's comet. It's this attribution and uncured. What would discovery look like, for example, tried in Illinois right now? You have be Brits who made this attribution. Are you going to subpoena g c h Hugh and say, yeah, we like come here in this Friday. Or are you going to go to private consulting company and say, okay, we've white yet go around Europe and figure out look at the see what you're done. What does what does after Yutian ruin what wait with the Skopje like? And this is missing tire story reminds me a simulation that I took part a of years ago where someone the so-called as was the mandate action because on attack happened. And it was a so called nation say as how do you actually should be that you get one wrong number on the IP address you end up taking out a hospital and set it a military installation. Right. So and here's there's not only yet you should point of it. There is time to after bution. So for example, event happens today, and I can win high confidence it should it tomorrow. It will be very different my action very different from event happens to today. And I attribute that six eight twelve longer months. So again, what this covering on this at I have a sense somebody is peanut what of government agencies that excuse me source of national security. Good walk out, your brilliant. Okay. Here's where we're going. We've been struggling with trying to figure out the answer attribution insecurity forever. Now. We're gonna have the legal system solve this problem. And so then we're going to have the proponents of all of the hack back legislation adopting, whatever legal standard comes out of this. Go to say, here's our justification. Oh god. Does this? Is there any chance? This does it. This doesn't actually go to open court because I don't see this going. Well, guys. This is this is going to be messy because. Where were still trying to figure out forget the private companies? Let's take this off the table even from a nation state to nation state perspective, we're trying to figure out whereas the line of where does. Peter network attack. Arguing internet exploitation pewter, not defense where are those lines? Those are very very great even from a nation states nation state where you get into the entire act of war. This is why at belief you've seen a luck dance from the better part of all of us a reluctance for people to call these at the horse because the pending again on station wants a map of war has been cleared. It endless since response. You cannot have sacred sample. James and rap United nation states, and I declare that you have committed an act of war against politically it. I don't do something about that confidence. Mine might houses are congress falls. You all these political considerations that come under? We still have this out on nation states nation state level. So now that we're going to have private case in the middle of the mid west US, decide this all I I think we're in for a little bit of mess. Definitions. Again, is do you actually have to physically damage Shane's? You have to. Have your data spilled out at were is espionage. For example, just even you bathe up because competitor layoff on one of the articles that will be sent you. You are leading a con me drop gallon, so state or state law. Wrap you'd are anything back. That's just Vaga. All right. So you're using all might data because I've investing tens of billions incentivation and real the best way to innovate. I'm not advocating this under sponsor, for efficiency point of view is to steal for someone else. And I will mean factually it's cheaper costs because I've stolen anything else. So I don't need to put all this investment at home to sell it back to you at a discount now. So your song back to me fire selling that works out great all my resources, for example, might armies are bid weeded. I don't have an into players that will I have nothing to sell to us so wrap new trait were down to this union game is that an act of war. Timescale if you're doing thirty year lead I can make case about navy or even though there's nothing Connecticut ball. Where it's these lines. You re you re your cultural awareness where this more get an ad is all of this extension of four, and we haven't even this out on nation states nation state side have heckled figure it out clean, mommy's Reno Georgie that that's I hadn't thought about this before looking at the language of this policy that keep coming back to this hostile or warlike action. Now, we're talking about psychological warfare information. Warfares obsolete because that is definitely something that takes place in the context of war has hostile action hassle actors anything, and the, you know, something that I want to mention just so we don't lose the point is you mentioned Sony earlier, the reason this case is getting so much attention is because this is the first time we know of that an insurance company has taken this position on cyber attack. But with the Sony case it was attributed to North Korea. And from everything I've seen it. That sounds like the insurance paid out and did not take that position. And in that case, I mean, you know, it was it wasn't attack. It was attributed to Cornell. It was it was an attack based on revenge perhaps. But it's no diff. Different. Some people say that movie wasn't active. So I'm going to be another definition. I'm not gonna tell you what the definition is again as if he ever say what they all would be conditions are decided by and I'm going to ask you sorry. Turning shore around here Mellon grading. I if you think this would apply to this case, so such a involve violence acts or act dangerous to human light that are in violation of criminal laws of United States or any state or that would be criminal violation. If committed with imagers station of the United States or any states be up here to be intended, some one to intimidate or coworkers civilian ovulation of to to influence the policy of government by imitation or coercion or some re to the conduct of government by mass destruction assassination or kidnapping section. See occur primarily outside territorial jurisdiction of the United States or transcend national boundaries in terms of these by which they are accomplished the person's they appear intended to intimidate or coerce or the little cow, which they're traitors offering or seek asylum. So now telling you this definition, there's this sound a little bit more closely aligned to what with your own right year versus the active more. Yeah. That case. So this is that too much coffee. I don't know. I can't follow that. Under eighteen US twenty thirty one. This is the definition of international terrorists. Oh, good. Lord. I was I was gonna say the playbook for for the CIA. But. 'cause 'cause like half those things like influence the population. Wow. So. So you just to find international terrorism on under eighteen US, go twenty three thirty one hundred definitions. Wow. So that's that's sub one and slug for is the German war. I little I'm a little flabbergasted at the moment. I'm that's what you get inviting me on the show. So good grief as that going back. Maybe unlike China have any caffeine, but you know, is the was their intention and all of those or what happened in all of those. So for example, you know, did the person that sent out like we use ransomware? We send it out the ranch morts meant to lock it up when I want money from that. There's no weather intention behind that. Even though other things may occur due to that. Right. I go out, and I lock up a hospital that changes what actually happens, but the intention is I locked it up money for the ransomware. That fit within that definition will will that's where I suggest to you your readers. If you're not meeting the scene nNcholas to live who I think is genius when it comes to risk management. What e- focuses on great deal? Are these secondary tertiary for their L consequences? So is the act really the at like is that what I want to do or do. I want to kick something off to want to start domino effect and visit where your risk models. All just go, really. Because you have not there's too many variables and all this were dealing with so much yet. We we figured his were in twenty nineteen all this information. The state about we figured, well, depending will believe this fan at we've been around her five thousand years thousand we still have figured this out. Just because we have more information doesn't mean. Me. We are smart in backbiting suggest you with all these complexities that we are building into the system to channel. Here. We are building for Jilin into the system. And now you start to get into these word games it greet. What look this is. You you and James both rates to point. That I want to look at here in. That's the causation aspect James mentioned the intent if it's to make money or whatnot. We've gotta remember this attack of not Pechoux was attributed to the Russians, but the target of their attack was the Ukraine now, it was not Mondelez. Yes, I was and so they were collateral damage. And so now the intention of the warlike action, assuming the policy fit was to to cover an act of war against one company or one group, but the collateral damage is what caused the horn here. And so how far attenuated kin Weeden get with that whole collateral damage argument with a down the line of causation. I mean, Stutz Stuxnet Stutz neck earlier have you say that? And then you had all the people that started taking variants of that code and using it while softening, and so all that will give me my my head went immediately to I am trying to nation state. I'm trying to say I wrote some code to. I dunno affect the nuclear output or nuclear capabilities of another nation state, which I deem hostile that code accidentally gets out nukes power grid. Or does something that negatively impacts the ability of the of the country or region to transmit power air. Go hospital goes off line air. Go. Some lives are lost. Did. I just kill people. Yeah. Calls in fact. Was that the proximate calls? You know, could there have been redundancies in place that would have prevented the hospital from going off blonde. That's the difference between calls in fact versus proximate calls right there. Parents would have never had you that never happen. Which means they're the real murderers. Wow. That's that may have gone a little further thought. I thought that in fact, does raise some really interesting questions of again, how far because because the money's case essentially was collateral damage. It was not the intent as we as we have come to understand. So are they years where? Yeah. Guys years where I'm going to really do it noodles. I'll lovely. We are suing that wasn't hit tests. What if the intent was? Yeah, we'll go. After again, we're going on the assumption. It was the Russian towards the Ukrainians, but we'll take it. If we heard some western companies economically to as well, we don't know that or working on sumptious. So we don't know if the intent was yeah, we'll take some collateral damage to. We don't care if the perpetrator we don't know that good luck on discovery of that once they dear Mr. rush, he might showing up by Chicago the testify in this one, right? Dear developer of a pretend to cyber weapon. Would you please give testified to your intentions? Yeah. That's. We don't know we make assumptions, and this is to go back to something that Sean those creature out about is the concept of confidence. Everything we do in our way at white is subject to pump for this. I am confident that this paper that holding. This piece called naturally is good for legal tender. I am confident that I will use this network connection to conduct business. Do this. The moment ice are losing confidence in bees. I eat him said we use these institutions that we rely on. This is where you get a break it down further this society are so the words that use I have confidence that when you and I are speaking we are generally used the same sort of language in a longer stand each other. But we start to twist and manipulate words to the point eight look at Twitter verse what you said yesterday may have been perfectly okay by tomorrow, it might get banned. Right. 'cause that meaning of the word is changing so quickly. We have lost that precision weighing which the stugotz shock lawyer. You're going on away which of the contract will what happens when the meanings of those words that are black and white have shifted. You take them with their rigid. All intents or do you take them with current day? Contests because I signed my contract between you and I today at both of us. Understood those words today, but six months out those words, suddenly avid different meeting because science society avid, which words will, you know, George, this is a great segue point. Because ultimately, I believe the original intent of the contract as expressed in the language is what applause, and and this is not the first time we've seen this in the in the insurance industry, dealing with cyber back in the mid to thousands outta case of clear, computer fraud by insider against a company, and and it we made a claim and the claim was denied because the company said this policy doesn't cover computer fraud. And I read the language of the policy in it, clearly said, computer. Fraud in there in diagrammed at out form. And they said, well, no, that's not what it means. You need to buy cyber insurance policy because it was a CG L policy back in the day. Right. And and so. What we saw after that is we saw the evolution of the policies. Look the insurance industry is going to solve this because people are not going to buy policies with an act of war. Exclusion. If it gets this definition that's gonna say is is the does this now look make everybody that's looking at policy from Zurich go. Why would I do business with these people will not just Zurich? I mean, look, I don't fall. I mean, search got one hundred million dollars on the line here on this couple of that's a lot of money. And and their position is supported by the language of the policy. You can't fault them for taking positions. Good point that justified by the document now is it good for their business. Or is it good for their industry? That's a different issue. And so it I wouldn't just say just as Rick policy. I think their businesses should look at their policies and look to see do. They have this exclusion in there, and and reconsider or or address it with your broker or address it with your carrier now before you rely on it because until this gets decided or until we see a change in this language. We're gonna probably have more cases like that. I guess I'm not an you guys clearly experts on this. But George you said about good luck getting somebody to come in and testify, right? G C H Q or the the Russia, and you know, a guy that wrote the gal that wrote the thing on intent, but how this so you have to prove that it was Sean you said that this was the exactly what happened in a court of law. I mean. The Illinois isn't exactly the. How do I put this gently as a former lawyer uncorruptible utopia that we'd like to think? Right. So even but even acknowledging that there's there's some there's some leeway in the law. Their interpretation. I mean, this is going to be pretty hard to the legal team behind this undeserved side on the other side have got got to have some pretty clear strategies to get this done. And if it, however this ends up, I don't think this ends up. This cork is good for anybody. And let's not forget something to other points here. One. Sometimes all the fouling of lawsuit is is another step in the negotiation. That's five point ano-. So so maybe the strategy is look we're gonna pay some money, but maybe not a hundred million, you know, or you know, what I mean, let's put some risk on each side saddle it at fifty or something like that. But the other thing when we're talking about public policy. The really hit me thinking about this issue is now if I'm a company that's been hit by ransomware. Air assuming this this interpretation holds up and becomes the new normal. Am I gonna want to go as far on my forensics and Alice as getting to the point of potentially identifying someone? Or am I going to say, no, don't do it? Because the last thing I want is to learn that it was the big bad Russians right doing this. And then I'm gonna lose my insurance coverage. And then your insurance companies are may one of almost like we see in the row where now you have to hire a crew. Yeah. Investigates right to to determine the cause or the insurance company get it. Then say, no, you've got to take this to the end, and we're gonna make sure you do. So the chess match gets that much more interesting, George, this is getting complicated like internet. So this international policy is is clearly big brought in here in and whether you're quoting the the terrorism bit there to you did which blew my head off or something else. This seems exceptionally complicated to where we're involving. We're involving the potential to set some very interesting international engagement type of precedent based on by on the insurance policy. Yes. So. I can't speak or current day definitions. But I I'm making the assumption. I know making such bad thanks advise that previously one of the. The most fascinating things that I found gonna three bears right now United States China Russia. United States in the English language. We use the word side of security, quite literally right now at least from couple years back, and I expect it to be true today because it would not serve their interests change it the Russians and the Chinese do not natively use the word cyber security and fat. They still key information security, and you see that little change the word completely changes the dynamic of how issue so as we are looking to find some international Lor, unless we have some sort of specificity in the terminology between the bears or not going to figure this out and years words, get real messy. Some of the cases it is in their interest. Not to figure it out because the moment, you code fight moment you define it. You'd now have an expectation, and you may not be able to operate in raise over the shadows to serve your own national interests. Well, yeah, I mean, once we if we say that software writing software to impact something is an act of war. Suddenly find ourselves on the wrong end of that. Because it was not forget the hacking tool that was used eternal blue from the NFL. Yeah. And hoops, and so one of the more fascinating conversations. I find his what's the difference between computer network attacker year network exploitation. So when you look at a ladder, some people say about defensive measure, I'm just probing into their network to see how IKEA myself. This is preventative that while how different is that by probing an. Intruding someone else's system. How didn't is that on the natural attack on going to go back again? German -nology words position when twenty succeeding when everyone was hacked the election. No, the behalf the electric did you actually get into anytime related machines change change numbers. That would I consider that a hack, otherwise, you're trying to say you, hacked someone's mind, or maybe you manipulated somewhat influenced that that's an important and aim that centra mansion dominance. Here's the other one that when people are saying be emails were Seoul it. I'm still home to this. The emails were not so based on Email spearfishing, and ate the fish and a someone gave their credentials to access this information. Now anytime we don't know this anytime was the bit of. Deny access to their property where they not able to ask their Email is if they weren't than eight sale was stolen, but they were still able to access their property at a time. What had in hap- tap was that their property was copy? Wasn't stolen was coffee that was used for what that was. But we're still using these old words that has suddenly at you mean it is. And that's part of the main reason at the national level while we can. So we had decided what these new terms are. We haven't decided where the lines of jurisdiction are and certainly at decided what enforcement is he is. If it wasn't forced -ment. It's like a two week macho economic sanctions on newer de sent the birds and sky, and let them be what they do. Or do. We do nothing. Without this foundational understanding of what these terms me, and they have changed. We're gonna have a rough time at about lead to the courts that you're out in private case while I could see this flagpole to the supreme court. Eventually if that's what Senator is that you hinder anything on your own system. You hinder what that would assist system can actually do? It's not easy. But we I it's a good thing that we're talking about this because I'm going to add one more topic to this that the case that we now we started off with we're talking about his Obama. I forget that number seven thousand dollars. What packets when you're damage is informational is famine, Tori. Our insurance. Here's the art of this. No, no, no way. We're we're not signing over this. Because sometimes and I to say we are leading this direction. At least today, I don't really care vices if I'm going to disrupt your device or caused the structure to buy. That's a short term hurt. What I care about is your information your data because once I have access to information data. I commend nippy late. It. I can change its integrity. I can use it against you often blackmail, you like, despair, you can smear you. So with your information. I can actually bring you to your knees. Your devices are replaceable your networks replaceable. It's going to suck it costs mardi Fixit. But where is the real asset today? The acid is something. That's so because we are absolutely running out of time. We can I suspect we could keep deal going on this George. Thank you for that. But I that that's that's something way. More think about too. But I I I'm gonna leave you guys with this words change meaning over time as we've pointed out right people signed contracts that depend as a framework at Wor at work here. And as you get down towards the bedrock of this. It turns we get we get we're getting into international policy. Indefinite of words. However, this gets litigated. If this gets litigated, or if it's just simply leverage in her in a risk of based negotiation. I think the unintended consequences here can be far far far reaching of this court case. And I when this is as this goes along, I'm gonna get you guys back on the show to talk about it. Because again for everybody that's in information security, cyber security, whichever we call it in our profession, this impacts, you like this is going to have significant impact on you. Whether you're a see so or forensics person or sitting in a sin dashboard somewhere or pen tester like this significantly impacts you and it will for years to come maybe decades to come who knows. So James, you got anything else is your is your brain full too. I'll tell you. I feel like we've got like five or six more episodes just came out of this, right? I mean, it's it's crazy the places that we can go with all the places will go. Yeah. Just it's mind blowing, and you know, we've talked about, you know, cyber insurance many times, you know. And I think it always comes back to pretty much the same bangs may know, the the thing I said he would think about is. And if I'm sitting down going to do this who do I need to get in contact with to look this over and say, hey, what the heck am I signing? Your kid is actually going to be good for me. Because I think a lot of people try to just go into it. They kind of read overly. Yeah. You know? This looks good. Sure. We'll do it. And don't really understand what it is. And the ad to that. What it may be like, you know, was plebs on the episode. What may have been something understood today, maybe different tomorrow? And that just my blow. Well, George John thanks for joining us and filling our brains with more questions than clearly we have answers for. But at least we've got we've got someplace to locate your if you wouldn't the thing that you read us could you send me a reference set outposts that on the link to the in the in the podcast notes because. Sure. Eighteen US code two three three one. Okay. Cool. That's that's pretty sure not on Wikipedia. Right. Right. I'll go dig into. I think congress has a copy of that. Lying around somewhere. All right, guys. Thank you so much. This has been informative and hugely brain filling in terms of knowledge. And again, I'm I I always leave episodes like this slightly more afraid than when I walked into them because you get a little bit of eyes wide shut syndrome. Right. Where he was like, oh, this can't be that bad. And he start hearing experts actually actual experts. Not the folks we do we have on on on the news channels with the air quotes experts. You know, talk about what what what the locations are. And boy how this gets nasty. So for Jay's myself, Sean, George, thanks for listening. 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Rock Candy Ep. 149: Paul McCartney Part 2 - The Apple Survey

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Rock Candy Ep. 149: Paul McCartney Part 2 - The Apple Survey

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Paul mccartney puffed as cheifs chop off. We've this was the new one because he didn't like the first one rack. Okay it's marty diving into my sources. The first one was a boring. it's defense For all the wrong reasons yet. All this stuff that you didn't need to know about correct okay. So you get your sector and get the new one. And i discover that. It's only really about his time in the beatles. Oh no that's exactly what we're not talking about exactly. I don't need right now. However it actually did be useful in terms of what. Paul did to leave the beatles. Which i think is important and i it is because he initiated the whole thing. Kind of Sob homer was the first to be like yeah. I'm not in. I'm not doing this anymore. Publicly publicly yeah. He was the first to quit. No yeah technically jonquet really I thought so. George quick but he came back he came been wearing acquit and he came back and george john quinton. He's like why don't quit. Quit quit but i won't tell anyone in this way. In poll tells everyone everyone will think he's the asshole the lake. Is that really quitting if you say it in your head but you don't tell anybody really quitting that's just like a who stick is bigger kind of argument like oh well. Paul said he'd quit. But i quit i in my head. No that doesn't that's not right. It's there's reasons. I'm sure you'll get into those in your john. I'll get into a lot in my john episodes guys. It's lot guys. It's the beatles welcome welcomed rocky where we don't stop talking about the beatles. The who know beatles was out. I oh man yeah. We're hosts maggie. I'm ashley and yes. This is my second episode on paul mccartney which probably about like around nine o'clock last night it was like i should have done three parts. What am i doing. Oh my god. I kind of do the same thing where i was like. I should have really done more in the first episode of george because i- i- condensed so much into the second episode. That i shouldn't have but i had a perfect opportunity to stop ryan so i stopped was like that was. That was a mistake mistake. I could've gone into what i will start this episode with And i have done that in the last episode and maybe that would have given me a more a little more room in this one highly. Underestimate what these guys did. After the fatal i knew i'd have to talk about wings and yeah i just didn't realize how much there's two wings i could do a wings episode. You know what. I'll do if y'all really need to know more about wings i can do a wings episode. Yeah that would be fun yet. To which point. Jeremy said together for like four years mike ten years and he looks at me and he's like really episode on that on probably we and we need to talk about say say say because that was the number one hit when i was born. So we're definitely going to talk about Michael jackson for sure in this episode. Great can't wait. So yes we will talk about. Say-say can't wait for all the things we're going to talk about. Yeah again. Kudos to beatles podcasts. No i talk about this every week. I understand why you made a whole podcast about the beatles. Yeah because you can you pretty much can go day by day in the entirety of each beatle. Actually the beatles rolling around for ten years. Yeah what the fuck a can't. They made a lot of albums they did. They did time. So yes and a lot of movies. It's kind of weird. Yeah beatles. Movies are fun though. That's nice yeah anyway but about what. We're drinking yeah. We can talk about beer the beers that are getting us through these times guys. I am drinking a very delicious beer that you have brought to me and i'm super excited as you two beers that looked really delicious. Sam lake. I want to try them but i want you to drink them. Because i can't yeah. Ashley cannot drink full beers. I can do it anymore. I am the experimental guinea pig. Good experiment though it happened in. I'm i'm done with it so yeah. This is from evil twin brewing. Which once i saw that i was like. Oh it's gonna be fine at worst it'll be fine. They make really good sours. in general. I trust evil twin. And this is even more gummy source. Two point l. Which is a delightful. hold on. we're kinda sad is just sour sour. It's just this hour with mango passion. Fruit pineapple toasted coconut marshmallow. It's the marshmallow. Yeah it tastes like toasted coconut with one of those really sugary ambrosio salad but like no good because that's marshmallows and mango and pineapple. And and. Yeah but i'd like to think of it more as one of those cocktail cups sea. I think that's toasted coconut ambrosia. Salad is like way fucking growth. Rose your salad is just fruit cocktail with marshmallows on at disgusting. I'm talking about a fruit cocktail with toasted coconut in it. Either way this. Somebody's gonna find one of them gross. Yeah this weird beers delicious. This heavenly highly would suggest picking it up if you see it. It's got adorable little dinosaurs on it. It is perfect. Love it here for it. Yes five out of five stars would drink again. Please give me more. Yeah and the other one is due claw and do claude never fails again like honestly evil twin and do cloth you see him. And you're like. I want to try a nice beer. Yeah absolutely most certainly. But yeah the duke laura he has sour me black apple to another sour ale. Look live on this hour's because finally bitches getting with it finally took a really long time. I like oh do. Does everybody like everyone wants to triple apa with you. Know some real dank stuff in it. No i don't i want sour or i wanna stout i will go with the brown ale i will go with a half of aisin i will go with anything except for a mother fucking i i mean i will drink an ip a but you gotta you gotta fuck in you to work. You know who was a winner. Paul mccartney let's start about how much of a winner. Paul mccartney is yes. So like i said. I was bamboozled because i got the book. Many years from now by barry mills. I will still highly suggest it though. it definitely. When we do beatles episodes. I think it will come in handy. It's very accessible. And it is an authorized biography. He actually interview. Paul mccartney so a lot of the stuff that i got about the end of the beatles and his time with john. Straight from paul's mouth. Oh that's good. So i really like it and i appreciate it for that aspect especially And i did still use a little bit of Paul mccartney the life by philip norman. So okay still still kept that because that was actually pretty good for Like the nineties dots. So appreciate it that already. So we pick this tale back up at the end of the beatles career. I won't go too much into the ins and outs of how they broke up as that is another story for another time But i will mention a lot of people. Say paul is the one who eventually called it quits and that is half true. He is the one who called it quits publicly but quite frankly they've actually been done for months. Yeah throughout the last few years of the sixties. All of the fab four working on solo projects looking for outlets that didn't require the constraints of the other threes involvement. I mentioned in the ranko episode that he got his solo album out. I in march nineteen seventy much to paul's dismay but it was really george. They had solo albums. I was his a solo. Solo album was his like a collaboration. I don't remember solo. It was the soundtrack to movie but it was only him technically eight. Oh i was gonna say. Technically paul also had a soundtrack out. I wanna say was like sixty sixty seven maybe sixty but he with george martin. George martin was like paul name was put on it but i really did everything i read said that it was george that had the first official like solo album. Probably eat what it doesn't matter. We ought to argue about it for an entire podcast. We can have an entire dick measuring contests just like the beatles. Let's see in the later. Half of sixty nine. John was the one who eventually wanted a quote unquote divorce from the beatles and paul was left feeling pretty down about the whole thing. In addition to that he had been feeling the sting of their choice to go with allen klein to be apple's business manager. Yeah no isn't it in eighteen. Oh no it did not end up. Being grateful new palton feel comfortable with the way he handled business for other musicians in was rightfully fearful. How he would manage them again. Won't get into it too much. That's more beatles story but paul was also vying for his inlaws the eastman's to take over their fares namely Linda's father and brother who were running there Boyer place. i forgot the word was. I'm sorry someone's like the practice the practice they are. We gonna screaming this stupid bitch. I'm not listening. Podcast run by a stupid woman. Who doesn't know words anyway. So not only. Did paul trust them as they are family but he had a lot. He knew that they had a lot of experience working with artists and helping them with their best interests. So with all of these weights on his shoulders just feeling kind of downtrodden. By the whole thing he went into seclusion with his now wife linda and their daughters. They just bought a farm in campbeltown scotland. They're like they're gonna live off the land and they created a very loving relationship and partnership they kept their home in shape their family fed and it was a dis instruction for paul but unfortunately his disappearance to another country blew up the rumors that he was dead at number nine number nine. Any conspiracy theorist worth their salt knows. The paul is dead story. Say the real. Paul actually died in a car accident that took place in nineteen sixty six and was replaced with a look. Alike named william campbell aka billy shears. It wasn't george and patty. That rat crashed into that lamposts in the rotary hall. It was palm died in. He died. It was george. They killed him whole my got see we could just know. We are one hundred percent adding to the stupid theory. That would have been hilarious. Proof and beatles songs like glass onion in the line. Here's another clue for you. All the walrus was paul or on the cover of abbey road. Were paul walks barefoot and out of step from the other beatles servants that clearly clearly. They're giving us hints. He's dead because he's walk in different clearly means he's dead clearly dead my god yeah i yeah i personally find this conspiracy theory to be one of the dumbest one's just push by board radio deejays. Who found their numbers going up. When they played specials dissecting the clues in the beatles work that proved that he was dead it was like they just started to realize like if we just sit here and talk about how pulse dead now. We have all these lessons and now all of these people had children and they became the queue in on writers at the capital january six. Oh god they did go off finally over nineteen sixty nine. Paul agreed to an interview and photo shoot with time magazine after a rather heated at altercation with time magazine recently they were sneaking around his farm and he got pissed and he threw water on them. Well i would to sneak around. Somebody's far like they got pictures of him. Being pissed off he knew is like if they put those. I'm gonna be in trouble so what he'd walked like you giving that roll of film. I'll let you take all the pictures of me and my family that you want. You can interview me the lake until they did that. Okay so never came out and have a scheduled interview already. They were just like we're just gonna sneak around 'cause we're time magazine and we need to be sneaky in order to get her interview us time magazine. What are you doing. Shake my head but he did get to explain his absence from the spotlight and did his best to quell the bizarre rumors. Any kind of work. You know story really start to die out after that. He just wanted to spend time with my daughters and my dogs and my fucking chickens and like i just my wife. I wanted to spend time with my wife. Hannah beatles spent his time with his wife. Nope i mean georgia john and ringo. Do you see. Do you see them spending time with wives george. John didn't want to simply because they wanted to. Fuck other people actually did want to spend time with each kid but george was fucking her. So yeah george. Come on the finger at this time. In paul's life he fell into a pretty deep depression. He was bordering on alcoholism. Starting each day with some whiskey and finding it hard to find the energy to do like a bunch of anything. I i feel you right. Here's living corinthian lifelike years before i make this corona times right. Linda began to encourage them to get back into music so he's slowly began to create songs again. And this time it was firm self. All of this resulted in paul's first solo. Lp mccartney wasn't just a catalyst for getting made but she even sang backup vocals on some of the songs and her photographs would become the artwork for it as well multi-talented leader. She is a multi tail lady. That boss ass babe and was all said and done. It was ready to be released on april seventeenth. Nineteen seventy okay. However he had been away from his estranged bandmates an apple for quite some time and decisions were being made without his input and that april not only were they releasing the documentary for let it be. But phil spector announced that the album will be ready for release around the same time so it was a no brainer for them to do. Both simultaneously. phil spector good. Old phil spector good. Old phil spector as covered in the ringo episode. He drew the short straw and was to bring paul the bad news that his release would just have to wait. And here's where he lost his damn mind on ringo in outright refuse to follow. Apple's demands hit. I just think fucking hilarious that he's refusing to follow the demands of the record company that he helped to create. Yes because they basically made all these i. I've got my feelings on this. I'll i'll get to that part. It was the straw that broke the camel's back. Paul felt suffocated by his own label and was upset about so much. The disbanding of the beatles feeling held back by managers. He didn't even like and not having more of a say in what was going on within the band and at apple and i would cute not totally in the right. Because here's the thing. Yeah i think it's a two way street. Yeah you can't just fuck off to scotland yard out and not contact anyone yup and walk away and then come back and be pissy and be like but you have to cater tim me you can't you can't have it both ways paul granted i do think they probably should have at least reached out to him a little more. When he's like paul making this real and policy then you can at least have that on your side and be like well. We tried to contact you and you didn't say anything right 'cause then it's on him but yet can't just not communicate period rank and just come back into the fold and be like no i wanna to do this and then get pissed when they won't accommodate they're saying will we already pretty much planned this out while you weren't around but also i think paul probably has a bit of a chip on his shoulder because he was a driving force behind all of the hits that the beatles had correct so he probably felt like well. I'm a bigger part of this band. So you should accommodate me more than say ringo burn. Yeah ouch but i think that that kind of was in his head a little bit. Yeah it probably was. 'cause i'm i'm not fully convinced that policy courtney is one hundred percent humble man. I don't think he is either. Yeah like i don't think he's a jackass right. But i don't think. I don't think he has any self deprecation agreed. And i don't think he had that in nineteen sixty nine or nineteen seventy and don't really think he has that now and i get it. He's a fucking living living legend at this point but like just be accommodating for other people a little bit. Yeah like knock yourself down a couple pegs just a little bit. They all just hated each other. So much at that point. And i get that but like don't act like you're dick is bigger than everybody else is. Just because you think you're more important. I would also like to blame this on toxic masculinity hat and stiff up or lift is Steer barr thank you. You're welcome. He said it wrong. Go ain't what sounds like a case of someone who deals with things in a very passive aggressive way finally exploding poelman on the offense. I think he might be english. I'm not sure. I also like game. Recognize game i. I'm a bit paul. Like i definitely. I've gotten better gotten older therapies. Very helpful But yeah no. I'm definitely use passive aggressive and holds everything in until like i get really mad about one dumb thing and i'm like. Yeah yeah i. I feel that. Yeah so anyway. I get this paul. Don't worry so about a week or two before. He filled out a survey with the help of some of the apple. exact survey. Well i mean they call it a survey but it was really interview questions to send out to the media. Okay yeah it was basically just a self interview. They're sending out to the press so he could avoid having to do anything in person. Okay that makes sense right but they were just like an apple was just like we just need you to fill out these surveys color. Do you like better red orange. How satisfied with a with our performance. Are you on a scale from one to ten one being not satisfied ten being very satisfied. How likely are you to recommend apple to your friends. I mean not at all likely ten being. I'm just picturing that kind of survey like he just bought a tv at circuit city or something. He's still paying off this fucking rent. A center couch finally got that credit card. Hate off roof. He didn't spell it out in so many words. But when questions arose of working with john again or if he missed the contributions of his bandmates the answers were sounding now. How likely are you to work with john lennon again. One being fucked that guy ten being maybe maybe oh god so it was a big all. No big old one. There's a big old one all round very dissatisfied like the service not likely at all. Thank you for taking the apple survey. Here's a coupon for five percent off your next purchase from apple records. Oh fuck and relabel. Should we won't. It's not even a coupon a rebate. Oh my god you have to mail it and we at like twelve to fifteen weeks before he can get set check in the mail for five dollars this all worth it to get that sweet. Acdc record though my right. It's true when the media got a hold of this. They immediately went to eleven with creating headlines lake. Paul breaks up the beatles. Paul quits the beatles. Yeah once he saw an imprint. He realized the mistake he made really. No one wanted to be the one to rip the band aid off and fully commit to the end of the beatles. But here paul pretty much did just that because that's what everybody is doing like illinois. Leave me at all fucked up the survey. He thought ten was one in ten. This is not just because he fucked up fucked up at like they're like shit he broke. The computer is guys. We just built this computer. It's the first one and he broke it some kind of mr jobs bills for us. I think we're going to sue them. Later kill me. She's going to be with that. The album mccartney still came out on april seventeenth planned. It debuted at number two right behind simon and garfunkel bridge over troubled water. This seems like a very good pairing. Yeah it works really does yeah. Well commercially successful. Critics ripped it apart for sounding unfinished and claiming appel had s- stagnated in comparison to his bandmates. Now this all can be obviously chalked up to people being really butthurt that the beatles broke up. But it doesn't even make sense. Because george released his solo album in nineteen seventy also and everybody fucking day. Everybody even larry's rego's the granted this was before Paul announced it because all things must pass came out in the early part of nineteen seventy did this in december notes. This was april so it was ringo in march pollen. April and i think george was may. Maybe i don't even remember but yeah george came up right after paul. Okay i remember that. And then i don't know john did some shit. John and yoko puts them snow on. Our john and yoko did so unfortunately too. Great detail Anyway i digress. But most retrospective reviews have brought it up in the ranks and complimented for its endearingly homemade quality which clearly means like the hebrew the panels. His music sucks. Mccartney's pretty good album. But i thought they were busy blaming you. Go for breaking up the beatles every want. Everyone's like one saying and just go with that. Don't try and blame it on fucking everything. The only thing person. I think who didn't get blamed was john who actually kind who is probably the one who is most culpable in this whole situation yeah they were all culpable issues money as show so hey. This is not the john episode. Also i have a lot to say about john anyway no matter which time period of reviews read. Though maybe i'm amazed was always held in the highest regard one of the few songs on the record to be recorded at abbey road. Pl- paul plays every instrument himself a sweet song that was written about his love for linda and still receives a ton of airplay. Today very sweet song. Yeah maybe maybe the only song that came out of any of the beatles that was actually about the person he was actually married to at the time. Actually paul did ray of songs about linda. There you go so make sense. Yeah i think all of his love songs after met linda were for linda. Good for them right good for them and get into it but fucking that's goals were there So now paul stuck in this dilemma. He wants to release his own music outside of allen clients control but himself and all of the beatles are now stuck in a contract that going gonna go on for another several years. Wow he initially wanted to for messing with his release as well is bringing in. Phil spector to mess with the album. Let it be which has been famously pan for its bed. Production chack euler a terrible idea. Paul was always very well noted as saying how much he hated what phil did too long and winding road. Which is i fucking blows like. He could have been a really good song blows and it's kind of crazy because he did really good things for all things must pass but when it came to let it be rip aronie what what what was he doing shooting people and yeah. He's shooting everything he's like ours shooting nat all the records. That's phil spector. fuck it here however. It was brought to paul's attention that he couldn't sue allen because he was actually not party to the decisions that were made. Now bear with me. Because i don't fully understand the legalities of this here yet. I have read. Honestly the legalities of everything. Beatles is show fucking daunting and confusing. And i think at a certain point you might need to be a lawyer. Yeah or i don't know be in the record biz. Because i don't even fully understand this myself. But because his bandmates wouldn't like they wouldn't just come together and agree with a final dissolution for the band so this ended up forcing pulse hand. Not only for his freedom but for the band have control of their own money and stuff again And with that. He had no choice but to sue the beatles so he had to sue the beatles because they were the ones who all basically signed the papers and agreed on things so if he sued the beatles he could say well i wasn't privy to any of these decisions and therefore these decisions are null and void that and he was forcing them to disillusion like forcing them to break up and therefore forcing allen klein to not be a part of paint of them anymore. Well they can they all actually so john brings on allen himself like. Alan is managing. John and i believe allen ended up managing george and ringo as well If i remember correctly yeah. And i think george ended up having his own legal fight to get out of that contract with wheeler. Yeah because they use the first one to see it right so basically. This was getting paul. Out of any of like allen's control and he could still release on apple but like he could do it under his own terms rights and because he did that. I that allowed the other band members to also sue him and get out. Yeah years later when they fucking realize right how much ellen kline was fucking shit up so again. Please excuse my incredibly crude understanding of how the law works. While he showed up to court every day the others actually stayed out and had alan go for them in this case. Came down to questioning. Allen's ability to manage the band assets and properties and he was discovered in a new deal with capitol records allen had them bumps royalty rate from seventeen point five percent to twenty five percent for himself for the beatles. Okay and allen was guaranteed twenty percent of that. I'm sorry what yes no. And most of that. He had actually ari paid himself for. But paul actually never agreed to this and according to the rules of the apple legal the documents required the signatures of all. Four members bringing wasn't on there. That was null and void. Yes that makes complete sense so on top of that and other things. The judge ended up ruling in paul's fever for the dissolution of the beatles. Good and found found that allen was not competent enough to run their finance good therefore it put them in the hands of a receiver until they finally came with a terms. For the break-up and that's why the beatles mark paid out until nineteen seventy five for their music right so it's really fucking convoluted and like it doesn't help that. There's a whole bunch of other legal battles being fought by all the other members of the beatles at the same time. Because if you remember. George was at this same time going through the plagiarism. Case with my sweet lord that wasn't resolved until nineteen seventy six. Oh yeah and actually. I think it went on beyond nineteen seventy six and actually it wasn't fully done and over with until like almost nineteen eighty. Damn i think it was. I think when all was said and done and went on for eleven years. So that would put out like nineteen eighty-one well shit. Nineteen to use music and copyright stuff is so weird fucking stupid and it's a lot i'd get so tired by the end of the what am i even doing. Yeah why am i here. Why am i doing this. Who told me this was a good idea music. They said it would be fun. They said sue them for the rights. They said it's gotta be worth it. All of this was going to take some time. Like i said at this point. The guys were not getting along so negotiations. We're going to be a bit difficult. But as time passed the other three began to see what paul was saying about allen. In mainly his lessening support of john and yoko project and his stealthy pocketing of some of the sales of georgia's concert for bangladesh albums that were supposed to go for charity. Yeah once these things were going through their like. Wait wait a minute. Yeah wait a minute of this guy is a piece of shit. Yeah impulse of oh coach. Izzo fun. i'm not doing this liable for me for finds wasn't fun. He does really really like to pat himself on the bomb about doing that. Oh oh i'm sure that's like mccartney's thing is like. I'm just doing this to make everything better. I think he believes that he is convinced himself of that. I don't think he convinces himself. I think he genuinely believes that he's doing and i think i don't think he's wrong in this case. I don't think he was wrong. But he is very Issue about it. The i like he sacrificing so much in order to make things right. He did but i think he could have just done it better. He could have just done it and shut the fuck up about it. Yeah room like yeah but it done that but from what i understand of paul. That's his thing like he could have done all of these things. Just shut the fuck up about it. But he really wants people to pat him on the back stuff. He really likes the praise. Oh yeah and you know what. I'm not take that from him. I don't read it. You know if you wanna stroke your own dick about this stuff go for it but you know what i'm not good in stroke your deck for it is that okay. That's okay. are we good. We're good all right. I'll leave you stroke. Your dick narrates five plunkett push. It could close the door on the way out. thank you sure. Whatever you want paul think-i it became a slew of suits. Alan getting sued than counter-suing which eventually results in him getting go with like a forty five million dollar payout no might ever chump change on january. Ninth nineteen seventy five. The beatles were finally dissolved financially as a band and all four were free to do whatever the hell they pleased. The whole thing took a mental toll on paul and strain the band members relationships for years. And i mean. I'll give this to pollack. He did get a lot of shit for what he did. Oh yeah he did so. I mean that does saw. And i think a lot of it was not. I'm going to say unfairly. He unfairly got the brunt of it because he was the first one to come out and be like yo everyone. We're done here on the beach world. Well we're done by ps and get you know that was totally unfair for everyone to go at his throat for that i agree but the amount of back patting that he required after all was said and done is makes me kinda jaded towards him like slowly getting more and more jaded towards this. Mfa slowly but surely like i need something to cleanse the palate. Yeah that'd be wings will do that for him. Yeah we'll get to wings a love wings. So john rights. How do you sleep during these years. Basically calling out his former writing partner for causing all this trouble and took cheap shots at him for his lack of talents. Yeah john like apparently ringo was privy to some of the songwriting process for this one point. He's or jonelle. Think that's a bit enough. It's a little. Don't you think you could go in a little hard here on pull. You can stop now on. Don't please stop writing. Thanks very uncomfortable. And like john is smooth things over. I know john and yoko it. Apparently just go at it and like make up lines that were really shitty and linked giggle about little shitty highschoolers. I mean george did the same thing. He took some shots and john too. You know who did it. Ring ring go trying to be a sweet baby boy. Running go still standing by my man. The paul doesn't regret we. He did though he stands by and is convinced that if he didn't dissolve the beatles. Alan would eventually run them into the ground and the four of them probably would have lost all their money and the empire they built and just anything that would have been honestly. I kind of agree with him. Like i do. What was he supposed to do right at this point and like what is worth apple is still standing today and if he hadn't forcibly Tried to get alan klein out and forcibly tried to dissolve the beatles. Legally where would they be right now. Right they their legacy would have been just fucking bulldozed. It would have been steamrolled like nobody's business so and who the fuck would have owned all of the rights to the beatles well music which will get to eventually like who who would have owned it for that period of time. You know i get. I get i get why i get why he did the things he did. I'm sure it was highly unpopular at the time. And he probably was seen as a bully. Yeah but i get it. Yeah during all this legal hubbub. Paul was not going to stay focused on just that one goal now that he got his toes wet with his first solo release. It felt right to go ahead and were kinda sophomore release which would come out in nineteen seventy-one called ram. You continue to keep linda on for backing vocals and even musical ideas. As their relationship continued she would learn music from him and it became something they enjoy doing together. She had no previous background in it but after a while she couldn't help pick up a paul was putting down. You know what good for her. I have dated plenty of musicians that were like. Hey mommy to teach you to play this. And i'm like no. No i do not. Hey can you sing. Background vocals sure. Yeah i'll try. And then. I ended up crying in the bathroom seriously. That happened for her good for linda. She's game to try anything. And you know what. I think i am too but then i when push comes to shove i'm like no. We'll also highlight and i think that just helps. Maybe that's what i should have done. Maybe i wasn't enough of an alcoholic at that point. You know right. You just need to more beers yeah. It was all to their advantage this way. They didn't have to be a part while he recorded or toured in the future and they could bring the kids with them as well keeping the family together. Because at this point for paul the family was really really important. They went to new york city to work on ram and there. He decided to bring in session musicians to fill the band instead of doing everything himself again. I on board was denny c- well on drums and after that he brought in hugh mccracken on guitar and together. They created the album. Ram was another commercial success but again critically panned this time. He listened to the criticism from the last album. Went more of a professional route. And now they're saying and they were not sequential album so why was even bothering and he's like doing everything you asked me to do and still told me it's wrong. Are you not entertained. Not entertained own. Dig at and yoko with too many people where he calls them out for all their proselytizing and their music and supposed dig at john for letting. Yoko make all his decision which is hilarious because george was proselytizing. Like fucking crazy. I know i'm living in the material world. But that's fine i guess has robbie schenker's on and that's fine way at ravi. Shankar can do a fucking wants. He kinda could good despite the bad vibes surrounding paul solo. Work he had no intention of slowing down. He enjoys fucking welcome colton. He enjoyed being back in the studio letting the creative juices flow and discovered that he missed being a collaborative group to him. The most logical thing would be for him and linda to start band so they asked their ram backing band they wanted in and danny was all about it however. The excitement wasn't the same for you. He had children and new wife and the thought of joining the band. Full time just wasn't for him. So instead paul thought of someone who had experienced an abandoned he knew when enjoyed and but was no longer held down by another band. Oh it was denny. Laine oakland guitars for the moody blue. But it was before. They sang nights in white satin. So i don't care. I'm just kidding denny. I totally care. All it took was a phone call. Paul asked him what he was up to and went said nothing. Paul was like common abundant. She do and no thin band. Comes scotland jamal. Shop on base would be where paul would stay though later he would be asked why he didn't go back to playing guitar and he replied with at this point on the basis. That can play guitar. Oh yeah he's accepted it. he's accepted it. I hated it and then he's like no fuck it. I kind of like this. They all got together in jammed collaborating on ideas. They went in just wanting to have fun. He was aware any project to follow up. The beatles would have probably a difficult time so they were gonna let everything happen naturally including the name of this new group oh c. Linda was heavily gannon. Ant with their third child he drops. I know but during lieber especially it was discovered that the placenta was situated too close to the uterus causing extreme complications for both mom and baby super danger ops super danger ups while in the emergency c section. Paul prayed heavily during this time and in that he had a vision of wings. After everyone came out happy and healthy he felt like that would be the perfect name for his band and sorry that is kind of pretentious. I'm sorry. I just think any kind of like jesus moment with paul mccartney is kind of pretentious. I mean i think most uses moments are kind of pretentious. Right both paul mccartney. It's blake pretensions couple extra sprinkles of pretension. Yeah that's fair. Well fine if that's if that's your story that's your story. That's their story. They're sticking to it so they certainly did. The first album called wildlife would be released in december nineteen seventy-one and man. Critics hated this one. To of course they did. They claimed it was rush. And perhaps deliberately second rate wow harsher. They're kinda douche bags the one to get a lot of heat and all of this though was unfortunately land of course cause us all women camera shepper far for your shoe. How dare you. She was mocked as only getting a spot in the ban because she's mccartney spouse because she lacked a musicians background they assumed she was talentless in a useless addition nope. She's an artistic woman with many talents. That she just happened to not tap into until she married paul so it was always amazing. Photographer leaves like she's just strating Yeah linda always had to deal with criticism the minute she got with paul. It was look at this fuck in american divorcee. Bitch get coming in here. Getting with lake the angel baby of the of the beatles getting with the cute one. Yeah yeah pretty much. of course. This was all hot bullshit and was contributing a lot to their music. Not only was she serving as amused to paul but getting more comfortable piano and it was able to write help write songs. When reggae music in england. Finally linda was very while to take a while. Linda was very much taken by it. She impulse thought it'd be a great idea to go to jamaica which ended up becoming a great creative outlet for them and you'll actually notice some of wing songs have been engaged to them especially in the versus live and let die which were written by linda. Oh like the yeah. Oh yeah demanded dude. Yeah she doesn't have any. Would you gotta do who got hear miami. I can't wait to stop singing. Paul mccartney salk skies. Oh it really pisses me off. The only version that comes to my head is the guns n. Roses version yeah. That's not that's unfortunate. Not what i want. No one wants that. I certainly don't despite the heat from the press wings decided to tore their music but they were gonna start off small. It was initially a university tour. In the u k. This diversity tie alma college beings going back to college even though he never went there in the first place. No you're right but this way they could get adjusted to that lifestyle and it would be easier to get crowds at university shows. You know more so than an arena Performing solely mccartney or wings material the shows became pretty popular. They began to move into small about like three thousand people in attendance. Those about the maxi old. It's like the palace yet. They also capture according albums still fighting for any kind of critical praise always coming up empty handed but again. What do critics now. Everyone's just really mad that the beatles broke up random and we bring up being awesome talkie eulogy. You have a woman in your band makes you illegitimate because commercially wings was doing quite well. People really enjoyed paul's new group in clearly. The but her of the beatles break-up was fading away for them. At least those guys at least fully the producers for the upcoming bond film live and let die. We're not immune to paul's charm with his new band and asked them to write the theme for the upcoming movie and the resulting tune is a real banger and one of their most well known it was also the first bond theme to be nominated for an academy award shit. Sorry to trent weird. Linda wrote it Parts of it but still suck my dick in seventy three. They released the album band on the run. That's that's a jam. I only on the run. Which is so funny. Because i definitely thought that was a beatles song. Oh i didn't know who it was. I i really thought that it was part of like one of their movies like a hard day's night or something because they would always play footage of a hard day's night when they're running. Oh yeah wiz with band on the run playing so. I always assumed that it was a beatles song. Wow gum create no. I don't think so. Because i mean at least like two degrees good cook close enough close enough but like the many years apart whenever but he is where wings finally managed to get some critical praise equal to its commercial because it sounded like a beatles song. Oh yeah probably. This album has some of their most well known songs like jet doodoo. That's jim though. Yeah that's it is a solid jim. And let's nineteen eighty-five what's that one. I can't sing it. Okay i'll play. Free leader said set wrong. Goals like he gets his one thousand nine hundred five spelled out as one thousand nine hundred five serves me off but also it's the jam it's like do do do do do do do oak. Yeah okay. He got my brain gears turning out. Yup i think i know what you're everyone else. Just go fucking look at us up It also has delightful cover featuring the band with six other well known people dressed as convicts caught in a prison spotlight. Oh yeah i'm gonna tell you. I don't know any of them except christopher lee. Oh really is on the cover. Some remond servando. Like i've got that fucking ron one ring right in my fucking grass just got to go away from this but who else who else. I don't know them okay. Writer and lake. I don't know some radio personality and like a lady do dude and lots of do that do that. Do our mon- arm. Let's give a shit about really remake that cover album with the band wings. Dude students dudes sermon beard. There's there's dude of color out there. Sauropod glad rails. They're nowhere no. There's no glad drills. Sarah also herman's hermits say hey. Just jaw herman's hermits in there but in prison outfits. Yes linda galadriel. oh no. I think she'd be a better alien. No she has one hair. Yeah arwen arwen. Has brown hair alien alien has blonde hair. That was the first time. I thought you said irwin. I'm sorry talking. What the fuck. Hey hey said token right. I did it. May we win. We win this podcast. Guys have a good night good chatting with you. Buying pod finally begun to restore his tarnished image since leaving the beatles and was experiencing the praise of his former bandmates wings. Go on to continue creating some top notch albums throughout the seventies. Also go through a lot of band changes lake pretty much. Every position would be replaced by the end of the decade. Except for any lane he would kind of be a writer die until wings with over and personnel. There was pros and cons to it. Danny lane is in mob band. And he won't and he won't leave anyway in nineteen eighty wings arrived in japan to finally torn the land of the rising sun. I feel like japan would fucking love these caucasian bitches. They did know. I'm sure there's footage of them. Getting off the plane and japanese people karai eating like they did back in the beatles days less their hearts honestly. Well i mean so. They were supposed to perform until poem. Linda got busted for bringing in seven ounces of mary jane with them. I mean so in japan or not. You're not and is super d- duper anti-drug great. They like no no. No i mean don't can you live without it and just like subsist on sake now a days when paul in a ruling stupidest into donut the lows spin unpretentious little. Where are you going to where you're going to get family. Yeah which align came with him to japan. Okay yeah what were you doing like. I was laurie. Japan because japan had it out for them because they were like. I know you fucking do drugs. And i'm just waiting. Just chomping at lsd. Once ten years ago where. We're waiting for you in japan. Without like we're waiting for you so like fucking warriors. Just clanking bottles. I still haven't seen that. Kat e play so i know some analysts. Now i tried to google. How much is seven ounces of marijuana. Because i was like is that a lot. Is that a little. I don't know if that speaks to my very little knowledge in drugs or math. I really both honestly because quite frankly we don't know shit about onces no I don't know shit about grams now. Like if i if. I'm trying to bake something. And it's in if it's an english or european recipe outsi- has american kind of but not when you're measuring flower. You do ups you cups you like the tablespoons and teaspoons translate perfectly fine but like it's ounces in grams over there for us it's cups and that's basically it. Oh fill your cups if you know what i mean in the cups Be like i. I don't know. Is that a little. I have to do. I have to find like an ounces two cups conversion rates in. It's so complicated. I just don't get it. Everything i was that person. I'd buy a dime bag and be like i don't know what this is. It's a dime bag right. Like i wasn't buying like can i please get two point. Five ounces of now. I want one of those little baggies full of the stuff that i want. I want that baggie. Full of the thing that i'm going to smoke later and now i don't like to smoke. I can just have an edible. And i've got an and so much more pleasant and it just like can i get to gumy's yeah cow. I never tried pot was because it fucking stank and it made me sick just launch on. And you're like this is fun now can just like eat a peach tree ring. Probably be like all right. The school is fine. I'm fine man. And you want paul and linda shit right and if they had gumy's back then technology man man. When it's time to feel knife the burst of the ban flies back to england the mccartney's held in jail for about nine or ten days until they were released without charge nine or ten days. Yeah holy shit. No but i mean japan fucking around and that's the thing in a lot of the. You can get seven years hard labour for marijuana in japan which i mean like same for america fifteen years of just you know getting raped and tortured same thing. Which would you rather have anyway. The point is they did get out. No charges big surprise. Yep when you're big star. It is hard to get charged but granted. I don't think that there should have been much more than that. No i shouldn't have been honestly nine to ten days in the slammer is way too much way too. So japan super strict on drugs. Yeah it wasn't too long after this that everyone is kind of over the wings chapter their lives. Paul wasn't feeling is. Music was a right fit for a band situation anymore. And so he ended up releasing a solo album. And this would grind the gears of denny. Danny danny donnie. Just a little bit. Who vote like his contributions to the band for being overlooked on top of that one of their biggest hits in the uk moreover kintyre was co written by him and paul but he was only compensated as a contract writer therefore the initially paid a flat fee and he does not collect royalties on it. Yes e- cool. This is the problem that i have with paul. Even outside of the beatles is that paul does not like to give credit to other people even when half or even more than half of the song could have possibly maybe potentially been written by somebody else. Yes and i don't like that shit that's fair 'cause fuck you paul. Other people are good writers to. It's not the paul show. Sometimes it can be the collective wings. show I will say this. Maybe it is because his wife that he does credit lend on a pretty much everywhere. She's gonna credit linda of course but like an outside person who is crass paid a session person but actually is writing half of this shit for you. He's not gonna credit that person overall. The drug bust was kind of the end for denny that ruined opportunities for their gigs in near future. Which is affecting him monetarily. He stayed on for the sessions through tug of war pulse. Fourth solo album gone after that effectively ending the band known as wings. I don't blame danny good for you. Danny danny donnie. You do you can start. A band called the moody twos. You're welcome like komo. I can attest to the eighties. Were certainly a time. And paul's started off with number a shitty drug bust but the death of a brother the same death that caught all the beatles off guard. Really john lennon. Oh that's right. Yeah now until. I did my research into paul. I thought he and john had never made up ever. I stand corrected Yes the two former. Beatles had probably the nastiest fights post break-up coin each other out in songs and seeming to want nothing to do with each other but that was more of a cover for how hurt they were by the events of the break-up while after the court case occurred paul began to miss the other beatles and was slowly building back reconnections to them but john was obviously the most difficult nut to crack. Sometimes he would call him up just to see like they wanted to get together. Talk and john just wasn't having it one time the phone he said. You're just full of pizza and fairytales pizza in fairytale pizza and fairytales own which would be a great name for a band. That's a good like post beatles cover band or just like maybe a good lake kids band. The kids bop for beatles but like not beatles. I don't know. Let's just take for medal and fucking turn into kids. Saw a chance came to see john from a very unlikely place. Politics seen yoko in england during her break with john which you will get into your john episode and they actually had a really friendly lengthy conversation and paul asked if she still wanted to be with him and what did we take for them to work and she explained basically like john needs to come back here to new york and he needs to court me again like we need to go back to square one. Paul told her he could take a message to him on her behalf as he and linda were already going out to. La on record business anyway. And that's apparently at the time. Where were john was with may pang. She agreed and told him john could be found which led him to one of those crazy ass. Party times with. Harry nilsson keith. Moon's and all the lake. I talked about in the ring. Co episode sucking harry nielson. John was producing harry's album pussy cats. And of course came to visit with them. After some time. Paul managed to on sides. They could chat. He finally brought up yoko asking john if he wanted to get back with her when he said yes. Paul explained what yoko wanted and told him he had to go back to new york city. Apparently it wasn't too long after that. John went back to begin to work on things with yoko. I don't know exactly what happens. Because there's crazy fucking stories and you'll get into it in your own episode. But according to paul he pleaded heavy hand in that. And i'd say maybe that should squash the whole. Yoko broke up the beatles math because they all after the break-up were fine with yoko. I think in more recent years at least in this past year or two. It has really become more accepted that yoko did not break up the beetle. Right however a lot of people still really hold onto that. But it's like lake or guys girl was really just doing her own thing and john was really fucking into it. She didn't change It was john that change correct. I agree so it's not yoko s- fault that he changed It's his was his own decision to do. All changing rice. Love them rights and good for paul for realizing that this was a relationship that needed to be salvaged. Yeah and a good creative outlet for the both of them are needed to continue. So now i will one hundred percent behind him on this right and if he hated yoko he wouldn't tell him or her john get back either. Did hate yoko and he still did this. Good for him for being a fucking good friend. Yeah i guess he didn't even necessarily orchestra anything just in the sense of. Do you want this. Because i will help you. If this is something you want. I'm sure he maybe saw something in it for him and reconnect with john right and there could have been more reasons beyond that but either way i think it was all for a good reason in ended up being good. I think oh one hundred alongside because at this point clearly. No one hated each other anymore. Time can heal wounds. And there was a handful of times. Were paul and john would visit with each other and even ever jam session or two one nine at johns home and the dakota in new york city they were together look drunk watching. Nfl for the infamous episode. Where lorne michaels say. He'd pay the beatles three thousand each to perform. Snl you said nfl. I really like what is nsl snl. I did even right. Know i like that. I i liked for that saturday night. Live i like for a hot second in my brain. It's like nfl. What does that stanford. Nate saturday night. Saturday live terrible. Yes so they were watching. Snl for the infamous episode where they were offered three grand each to perform and for a hot second. John said let's run down the street and paul field. A bit inspired. They thought oh. Let's go over and see what they see those do it. But ultimately they were just too drunk and didn't feel like that's fine too. I feel that. Paul always states how relieved he is that he is john made up. There never be close in the same way as they once were but they could talk from time to time about life having kids baking bread and even cats baking bread and katz baking cats baking bread comma. Yeah okay now baking cats. If you saw my notes you would see. There's a calm of breaking bread breaking baking breaking bad. You just made math they did. He feels grateful that they managed to be on good terms when john died when the news hit. Pollen december ninth. He didn't know how to cope and like george. He went into the studio and work so hard so he didn't have to think about it. Not until really. that's all i could think about god. Yeah all of them. Yeah the press of course made their ghoulish advances and confronted paul's. He was on his way home that day and asked him how he felt about john. Dying still in a state of disbelief. The only thing he could think to say at the moment was it's a drag he actually. It's a drug. And then just of course he would have to explain it later. How about you fuck off. Yeah well later on. If is good to explain in detail how he spent an entire day sobbing after that. Yeah like all of the beatles probably did. Yeah i just pictured like montage in my head of ringo george and paul fucking breaking down and losing their shit yeah. There's like so many things to get upset about. It's not even just the john die. That's how he died. And how that's a ripple effect and how bullshitting unfair. It is now. He's just trying to go to the corner store and get some fucking milk and people won't leave him alone to grieve in peace. That's the thing too. It's like none of the beatles could just fucking like grieve. Yeah it was bullshit. Yes paul and john they were okay at the end which made me feel a lot. Better every relationship can be saved. Something that paul would discover in the mid eighties. After a recently made friend would betray him. Okay one night. He got a phone call on his private line and on the other end was a little voice looking to work with him on some music. That little voice. oh as local jackson. Oh no you're ignorant. No they got on right away discussing business and working on collaborations that would gain a lot of popularity like the girl is mine that we actually discussed in the thriller episode. Because you've got on michael jackson's thriller. Yes we were like. This isn't a good song. What was better with say number one. Hit december twenty third nineteen. Three heavy songs going out to actually. There's got to be a lot animosity here. Soon since michael was so much younger an up and coming pop star. Paul t she give him some solid advice to help him through the jungle of the music biz. I imagine with that advice is he told them to get into music publishing something. He had learned the hard way as he. Inland did not have the rights to most of their catalog due to a ridiculous amount of dodgy business being pulled by their original label northern songs. I'm not gonna get into all this. Because i'm done with legal. Shed just basically. They didn't have the rights to their own music. Right because when you're a young musician it's easy to get fucked over correct as he considered michael friend. Paul would confide in him about the messes. He had been through and new. We might have a chance to soon buy back. His songs and his little friend just looked at him and said i'm going to buy your songs is like. Oh you donnie paul. Much like job. Luth has made a huge mistake. They'd just be hanging out in blake. Distancing goes made a huge say. We're all michaels like. I'm going to buy like i. It's a bit of an old. That's funny checks out all right. Oh you're funny. When mikey really going to buy your sounds you're to get so fucked in the end. When paul got the call to get his songs he didn't want to do it alone. He felt yoko had the right to them as they were credited to lennon mccartney so he called her up and told her they're going for twenty mil they could split ten and ten. She was like now. We could get it for like five. I can do. But before they could even put in a bid they were already gone for fifty million fifty million holy. Fuck yeah. we'll forty seven or forty eight. But i'm running fifty ill because at that point. What's an extra three mill. Wow so we reaches out to michael to kind of what the hell man. But all michael could say is just business. How the fucking balls. The canary small balls on that. Very little man he had he. He's gotta have some ball somewhere there there. Wow but paul didn't see it that way now. The beatles songs were being used for nike commercials and oreo cookies. He fell to devalue the work and he just wanted to own his own fucking music. There's no reason and he also thought his friends. You're just shouldn't fuck and do that. It may of course should actually considering michael called him up and was like hey you wanna do some men to work on some songs. He's like yeah into thank you. I'm going to buy all the rights to your songs writing. Use them however the fuck. I want and not respect. Your wishes cool still friends all right cool business. We should still be friends right. Because michael jackson never got past the age of five. Honestly he didn't he didn't. So wow yeah. It made him question michael's morals and basically destroyed any friendship. They could've possibly had but funny thing is jackson had a lot of problems Money notwithstanding in two thousand six. He was facing bankruptcy. We sold half of his ownership of those songs back to sony atv and even after he died the estate was having trouble keeping up with the finances so they sold the rest in two thousand sixteen. Okay the following year. Paul filed suit against sony to get his songs backed by twenty eighteen due to a copyright law that states that songs made before nineteen seventy eight can be reclaimed to a publisher after fifty six years. Finally after a a confidential settlement in june twenty seventeen. Paul got the beatles catalogue back. Wow also those songs are sixty years old. Yep yeah yes. They are sixty. Yeah in tire gen. Xer there an entire there are boomer. No not a boomer gen-xer you sure. Yeah there's customers like we are however he and michael never made up there in older gen-xer while stressful. The eighties had some fun experiments for paul. He did do a duet with stevie wonder called me and it was a hit and it may be kept some faith in collaborations. It was a hit back then back then. I think that is might be the one song that just one hundred percent does not hold up. No i think it's hard to get mad at it. Because i think all of the best intentions are there but it's a whole black guy. He presses me on link. Okay with it. maybe. I don't know i'm okay with it but it's this song so i gotta pretend 'cause he's avary that's not the way it goes but actually snl basically basically laid back back when it came out they did the same. That's pretty much what it is. And i don't even give a shit with the lyrics are but that's my interpretation. That's what i'm going with. It's not it's not far in eighty four. Paul tried his hand at screenwriting a movie that he started in called. Give my regards to broad street. If followed him around in a day in the life of mr macartney but also with random musical numbers in it and ringo. The sounds terrible. Oh it tanks. Roger ebert called it quote as close as you can get to a non movie. God bless that man but apparently went also. I wanna see an amnesty three. We should do that on a twitch stream which hopefully we will have soon. Yeah maybe we're working on it. Promise your butts. Kids might do that. Crash in mermoz might be onto it to grandma's on twitch that's going to be our handle grandma someone took it you probably the soundtrack however is quite good and dig very well. Sure because it's just paul music so of course but we'll probably did even worse than the film. Was the video game created for it on the commodore sixty four. What even is bad. The commodore sixty four. Yeah it's a game station. i never heard of the. What is this. i don't wanna go. I'm not one hundred percent share. One and i was very drunk. I think it's hooked up to a computer. I think it's the one that hooks up to a computer. It's like atari age like it's very it is it's terrible creates the nintendo and i was watching a brief basically. I brought all of this. Oh i could talk about this video game. Because i watched a video clip on it on the you tubes and you drive around and you have to like pick up your band members however if you haven't seen the movie you're not really gonna understand that play the game and the crash into a light post and you pretend that you're bandmate died but then you replace him with somebody. Village cheers and shuffle off the dead body somewhere else. You have to hide it. You gotta throw it somewhere. Though it'd be a much better decide quickly such a much better game. But i favor part is the video game as you know back then. Video games could only have one song and it was the real shitty mini version of banta gone. Oh it's i i. I m picturing this as the goonies video game but it's so bad. Oh you couldn't do. Have you ever played the goonies video. Game no wow. It is so bad because you could not ask. I at least could not figure out what to do after the first level. Here's the fun thing with all old games now all but most you don't know what to do. You have no idea what to do and like all you can really do to try and figure out what you have to do is jump up and down. That's all. I could jump up and down all i wanted to figure out what else do nothing can be worse than the game and you have the. Et didn't either. I played at a bar one night. And i was like oh the glitches real the glitches real groceries and most of them the glitches real glitches. Very real festers quest. Also the coaches were israel. Let's be honest. Paul was big enough to do a silly film and then continue on his merry way making more albums performing at live aid and overall becoming a household favorites having a good time. Good time there didn't even seem to be much backlash when he released an album. Only in the soviet union. Oh he is back in the ussr. So i can't say the name of it because russian but trade has a different alphabet. I don't get it. Yeah it translated. It does say back in the us. Of course it does It's spelled joba. Bcc p sure. I i don't know russian. No idea but i guess i'm just an edgar in american that's ignorant mostly consisting of cover songs from the early years of rock and roll and initially wanted to release in the uk looking leg sophea bootleg but emi. Turn that idea down. So paul thought instead fuck it. You know. it'd be a nice gesture. Peace to just only release it in soviet union. Here you go. He did that instead. And it didn't help things but good for you. you know. What the soviets fucking eight it right up and then two years later it would be released internationally. The that go against we should step in dick's hong as we enter the nineties. We would see a lot of experimentation coming from paul. He collaborated with conductor. Composer carl davis to write liverpool oratorio and opera storyline about a young man from liverpool girlfriend and they learn how to balance their marriage and their careers. Use me pinkie up. Also that is completely unrealistic. Well no. I think it's realistic orient. I mean it was realistic for the forties and fifties. When they were growing up right. It was kind of based around. Like paul's upbringing. Yeah while audiences seemed to enjoy it of course critics panned saying while it was a good effort it was slow and overly simplistic. I don't know. I've never seen it. And i see i don't think i have any qualifications to judge an opera. Neither do i. But it wasn't just the symphony repulsed. Tried out some new skills. He also dipped his feet into the world of electronica. Which i did not know this. No this is a fascinating learn. He would join forces with the basis from english rock band killing joke named youth. His real name is martin glover but he goes by youth killing joke. Killing you really. Yeah this is hard to believe but okay sure go for it. You know what. All right. Michael jackson killing joke. Okay you know what the glitches real. A glitch israel. Let's do this. i'm hiking up my leggings. let's go let's show initially came on to help. Paul mix his ninth album off the ground during the process. They began to experiment with the multi tracks and sample them to create new songs and the result was a bit like ambient techno and from it. They made the album strawberries. Oceans ships forest. That's not a mouthful. Yeah but actually. I listened to it. It's not bad. i really nineties. Ambient techno like killing joke. said great. Sure if they wanna do someone. Paul mccartney why not right. I'll listen to it. It's it's i would definitely suggest The first album is pretty good for sure In ninety eight they came together again to create another album called russia's heaping newest. Same skjei right. They were keeping the teams before and the critics seemed to like it saying it was an improvement on the first album. And actually this is quite good too but then oddly enough ten years later they would release one more album electric arguments that ironically lost the electronica feel and played more like mental rock which sounded just kind of more like indie rock. Yeah which no digs on indie rock. I love indie rock. But it just wasn't the electronic i wanted right and i was listening through unfortunately paul would once again see breast cancer rear. Its ugly head in ninety five. Linda was diagnosed with the same disease that took his mother when he was just fourteen years old. I didn't even think about that. I know i didn't either fuck. Initially she went to the doctor not feeling well and he claimed she simply had a cold. She went back a couple of weeks later. Claiming that there's no change so we sent her to a specialist who found a malignant tumor in her breasts. Shit yeah. They got her in from urgency surgery thinking they were moved at all until they realize just how much it had spread. How old was she when this happened. Fifty ninety five. She was born in forty four. She's like forty nine. I think when she got diagnosed Fifty one shots. How math that's more sky. Do how much is seven ounces. Is that ally knows yes. So she was only fifty one. Linda got onto chemotherapy and instead of waiting for her hair to fall out she shaved it. She demanded they live life as normal as possible and try to keep her quiet. Don't really bring it up. Just wanted to live her life man. When the first round of chemo didn't work she was put on a second and paul was by her side through all for two and a half years. She kept fighting. Despite knowing the inevitable she stayed active with her animal causes promoting vegetarian. Lifestyles lifestyle saving animals from being tested on and beyond but she was also proactive and put a will in place to make sure her family be taken care of after she was gone So it's like live my life but also be pretty well aware of what's going to happen. Yeah the fireman album. Russia's actually was heavily influenced by linda for paul. she even assisted on some of the tracks and also on tracks for an album. The would be released. Post humorously Posthumously posthumously yes i was post humorously i think you can say either way to eventually. She was ill to the point where the family craved ultimate privacy. So they went to their small home in arizona. No one else fucking knew about it. I didn't know they had a house in arizona that was on purpose amazonia. Guess we're linda would ride her horses until she lost the strengths or do anything but lay in bed. Two days later on april seventeenth nineteen ninety eight. She was laying. Her bed started by her husband and children were. They were all able to tell her how much they love her. And were paul told her a story of how she is writing on her beautiful appaloosas stallion on a clear spring day but before he could finish his tail. Linda mccartney would peacefully slip away. That sucks. who's fucking heart wrenching to read this. I was like. I can't right now. Three loosehead yeah. That's fucking terrifying and sad. Yeah and like it's such a fucking terrible loss. Because linda was such an amazing woman. Linda is like for me goals as a human. She's just a good. Yeah human goals in relationship. Goals like girl fucking had it. Oh talk you know what. We didn't do any better after. He really did not immediately. After yes i would say immediately after now but we'll we'll get we'll get the loss of his wife devastated. Paul later on he would confess to crying for the entire year after her death. Linda and paul relationship goals and there were never be someone in his life lake her again. It's a hard thing to come to terms with and he lost. I don't believe in like quote unquote soul mates but for lack of a better term. He lost his soul me. Yeah and it's it's just nice to see that he had feelings like that afterwards leg after after going through Ringo and George and the first half of paul. It's just nice to see that somebody had that much of an emotional reaction to a loved. One's death yes. And i think that's because all of the beatles were raised as northern englishman. Steve yeah you gotta have the stiff upper very acdc roost. Yeah they were. And i think is a lot of them have gotten older ringo and paul especially have learned to kind of let that go a bit more loving and a bit more okay with showing their emotions in linda's loss wouldn't be the only one he had to deal with their of course would be others but paul us other family member in november two thousand one when george harrison would pass away also of cancer s again. There was a build up to this as he was diagnosed with throat. Cancer a few years before and we discussed in the george episodes paul stayed with him for some time before he passed may even past his house. I know And so he just made sure he was able to say goodbye to his friend in his own way. 'cause they like they were okay. I think for a little while before. George pass by like the few days or like a couple of weeks. Yeah i think that between their first meeting in new york with ringo. Yup an georgia's passing. I think paul was really like yeah. I really need to fix this. I need to do something for my good friend. Who has always really been there for me. Even he hasn't been there in person. So i think he really wanted to make up for that. And when george died. Paul very much was able to kind of be a little bit more on because i think at this point he was ready for On through it. Yeah and so when the press went to him he's like luckily i so devastated to lose this guy. He was like my little brother. I am so proud that i got to be friends with him. Yeah and i think even though the guys in the beatles didn't talk for a long time there was still that brotherly. Oh yeah thing it's all would refer to each other as my brooklyn. Yeah it's the thing that you have with family with siblings and it's the thing you have with childhood friends where you can argue and you cannot talk for fifteen years but as soon as you come back together you're like it's all forgotten it doesn't matter were still there. Is this underlying level. The there's an underlying thread of love. Yes that's never going to be broken no matter how much you hate each other no matter how much you say shit to each other behind each other's backs and no matter how much bullshit you find out. It's always going to be there and you cannot talk for fifteen years and you can come together and still be like yeah. We're we're fine. Yeah everything's okay exactly and that very much humanizes all the beatles and i think that also kind of negates like yeah. Paul loves like scratching his own back. But you know what he clearly is a person who cares at least he. He definitely likes the praise yet. He likes people patting his back. But it's at a level where i'm like. I'm not offended by it right and i again. I think seeing how human he is about his relationship he's still human catches why i'm not offended by it. Eight 'cause i know people who like that and i'm like you're kind of an assault sometimes but you're still is still like you. I know you're still a good person who i know. Deep down inside you have body parts. Exactly you still have a heart and soul that somewhere in there may be buried deep down in the cockles of your heart citing behind. That enlarged liver ranking. That's where mine is. i get it. I know the turn of the century saw paul working just as hard as ever. He's writing songs performing live organizing charity events. Like he's like not gonna keep going keep going seen too much death. What took many back was when two thousand and two only four years after the death of his wife. Linda paul married another woman named heather mills a model and businesswoman best known because she was a model with a prosthetic leg. Yeah the fuck and british tabloids loved her. They hated her and by loved her. I mean they hated the hated her unfairly but also i she's had having meals. It's a controversial and complicated character. She layers she's a read on you. She has layer. I'd like to avoid her together. They had one child and for years. They seem to have a great relationship until out of nowhere they didn't. It's kinda true though. It is in two thousand six. it's separated and the following year. She would file a nasty divorce. I do remember their divorce. I did not know that they even got married. Because at that point. I did not pay attention to any do. Remember him getting married her and being. Wow didn't linda just dialogue a couple of years. I remember hearing about linda dying. But i had. I don't think i heard about her at the time that she died. I think i only learned about her when this new marriage happened. Oh because everyone was like she only died for years ago. What is he doing pearl. Clutch my pearls. Well guess what strange's initially. It seemed that. Heather kind of blamed. They're kind of growing apart from paul on his daughter stella claiming that she was jealous and evil. No i'm pretty sure. Sela was probably like icu. Bit yes heather like that so she decided to represent himself in court and file documents claiming that her husband was an abusive drunk. Who smoked too much. Tweet i do remember that. She said like he would get drunk and like stabbed her with a broken bottle. Yeah they totally sounds like paul mccartney in the tub when she was pregnant. Let's yeah yeah totally. Sounds like paul mccartney. I like to believe victims. i do. But i well. So here's the thing. Paul's lawyer slot. That was all pretty weird because the year before she published a book claiming how wonderful her husband was how they had great and open communication like she was always saying how he would cook and she would clean and like i would make her breakfast in bed and she went and they she always went on about. It's like it was like gross weird fabrications. Oh my god. He's like just the best. Why don't you just is. It was like she had examples. And i think for me. One of the biggest red flags is if you're gonna talk about how great communication and like go into deep detail but how you think the what your reasons are for. Having a great relationship. I just have a hard time believing you out of nowhere being like. He threw me in a bath tub yet. Especially when this only comes out during the divorce hearing hearings in. I don't know that makes me sound like an asshole. This makes you're selling like i is is i am talking. I feel like an asshole. But i guess like i do feel little vindicated because she's been called out a lot on making things up apparently like she's been called out on lake her origin story. Not quite being as dramatic. She made it like she was estranged from her dad for a while and she had like stories about that. That kind of came out is not really true and mike exaggerating on her leg. Amputation and stuff. So weird yeah. That's why i'm like. She seems like somebody who might have a problem with making things. I can't like i don't doubt that she's had Shit that she's had to overcome in her life. Of course. I don't wanna be shitty to her right but i do get the impression that she definitely has exaggerated some things for fax right whereas like makes it very difficult to believe yes sir claims in this court case and also. I'm just. I'm sorry that's never really been paul's mo exactly. I think if you actually said it was any other beetle. I believe you definitely but now paul yeah. Sorry everything. I've heard so far. And i'm sure that if you if you had any lake inkling of something like this happening in the past you would've said it right so he had that's also making it difficult to be like on your side yeah. I don't doubt that bad things have happened. Of course leading up to this court case. But i do have a hard time believing that he liked threw her into the tub or something when he when she was pregnant right like i am sure they had fights matches or whatever i don't know i don't see him trying to like be physically. Yeah i think that's where my line is drawn rates regardless even though the judge did award her a pretty pretty nice little sum of sixteen million pounds fuck she asked for one twenty five bit so it's like she won but she also lost yo. She also got child support lake thirty grand a year. Wow yeah to pay for schooling and like a nanny to help rich. People problems has hag rich people problems and this is like back in like the odds so that was a lot of money back. Then yeah like. Meanwhile my mom's just asking my dad for like fifty bucks a week and he can't do it so i welcome to average people problem. Yeah he claimed that the overall defense was inconsistent and she proved to be an unrivaled reliable source of stories of her husband's lack of support. Yeah because then she would also say like he stopped her from doing her charity work but like he was in on the charity work that he did the charity work with her. That wow yeah. Everyone's like look. We want to believe you but we can't because you're making it really hard even the fucking british tabloids are like yo. They're doing this charity shit together. Stupid heather mills. We don't like she was. She was definitely poorly treated by the tabloids. I one hundred percents agree. I mean i agree with that too. And i believe it because the british tabloids treat everyone terribly were legit the worst so yeah they definitely made things up and made her seem way worse than she actually was but also she was kind of shitty. Yeah she is kind of shitty. You can be both you can be. Both both can be true right now. There's no glitch glitches fake. They are not mutually exclusive. they're not mutually exclusive. Okay i i always think i'm using that term wrong. We are Okay into roundup. Paul's love life in twenty eleven. He married again this time to nancy. Chevelle a born new jersey in who's vp of a family owned trucking company and has served on the board for the mta. How the fuck did they meet. Well how they met his kind of up for debate. It's been claimed that they cross paths twenty years prior because they both had homes in the hamptons but also nancy has some powerful second cousins and barbara walters who enjoys to throw parties and play matchmaker. And had the to meet a shindig barbara walters blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. She's like i'm going to have you come in here and i'm gonna make you cry but i'm going to talk. I am mobile. I cannot do a barbara impression to see if my god damn life. We don't need to but unlike heather. Nancy seems to be a bit more shrewd especially when it comes to like the public eye. She's very much. A businesswoman intends to involve like avoid getting involved in any league publicity. She's kind of like look. I'm running my business here as long. I've never even heard of her. Say good for her. She's doing it yeah. Everybody was like she's eighteen years younger than paul mccartney is who at this point those kind of is like oh dinosaur beer old tired different titus store in a good way like he's like i want to go to them he's him and see the dinosaur fixture he's a he he's going to have his bones displayed at a hard rock cafe somewhere just like a natural history museum ups that is that weird. You know you wanna go to hard rock cafe and see paul mccartney's bone jess you do and you want to see prince's jacket next. No i wanna see paul mccartney's bo. I wanna see princess jacket on paul mccartney's bowl is can we mummify. Paul mccartney is that thing. Can we still do that. I mean i think it depends on what he wants. Okay we'll see all right. Maybe we can do something with like that bodies exhibit where we just like. I don't know slice them up and suspended for all. I can't do those all whole bodies our gross. They are kind of gross. Anyway we digress. Yeah nancy yes. Eighteen years younger than paul. Which paul is like almost eighty so nancy's in her sixty so lake. This is fine is yeah. It's fine all getting the senior discount. We now i hopped together for their early or eating dinner at four. Thirty the early lovebirds special. Oh they're all going to hop at four thirty and getting the lovebirds special. That's actually really cute. Be glad they're not going to waffle house sweet playlists either way. Their relationship is still going strong ten years later and they actually really both seem to have found a some second happiness leader in life. Good because she was. She's a divorce a i mean. He's a widower and a divorce. Guess he's a divorcee too but yeah like he's he's divorce i same for men and women either way For what it's worth. These seem to really love each other and be having good really great healthy relationship good for them any l. paul stories some pretty solid love songs and i'm assuming some of them are towards nancy and that's awesome. I do remember. I think last year ish i watched i wanna say. Cbs sunday morning. Probably and they did a feature on paul mccartney. He was putting out new album and he performed a new song and it was really good. No honestly his new work fucked. If i remember what the fucking name was of that song wraps but it's still slaps it was a good song. I believe it so good for him. I do believe a lot of his magic was because he needed another person to bounce ideas off of yeah in the beginning it was john and then it was linda and now that he doesn't really have that his songs are just like you know they're good. They're good. They're possible honestly. I think it's like solid indie rock. Yeah yeah lake. Charles solid in iraq. These guys were the originators of indie rock. Honest- honestly indie rock. You stand on the shoulders of the beatles. You really do so later. Beatles solo beatles yes so maddow mitch's down bitches at this point. Paul is basically legacy artists. Yep he has continued to release music on the regular. I believe. He is up to fifteen full albums just solo not including wings not including like the fireman nuts with his name on. Yeah and if. I were to suggest anything. It would be Egypt station is a really good album. Came out in two thousand eighteen. And honestly i mean maybe that was one of the songs you heard because it it. He great out great songs. On that album. I would highly suggest it and then a memory almost full has some great songs on it too and that was two thousand seven memory almost full. That's so thousands. Thanks millennial ashley. He has an array of awards that he can boast from being knighted to the gershwin prize to the rock and roll hall of fame and a ton of grammy's he pretty much can't get anything else. I'm pretty sure he's like they're like all right. Sir you've you're you've stamped your car. Two times don't think he's an got though. No i don't think he's either. Yeah he probably is waiting for tony. I don't know you gotta give it to this guy for his activism to. He is a staunch fighter for animal rights. He's been a vegetarian for most of his life. Good for him right difficult. It is 'cause sometimes maybe order something from taco bell and they still put bacon in it. But i really want to eat this and then you eat it and then you're like well help. I don't destroy a tom. Tom dot that that's ever happened to me. He is still dedicated to the linda. Mccartney foods company making sure they remain. gmo free. He is anti fracking and heavily involved with save the arctic campaign which focuses its concern on oil development in the arctic. Wow he is everything. Rupaul is not. Yeah basically paul not rupaul. It's like rupaul. Is his environmental nemesis way to ruin it. Oh it's like a mecca robot. Fight between ru. Paul and short or me rupaul. I want this so hard overall. Paul mccartney has done a lot with his life. This simple liverpudlian boy who just slacked off from school and tried to get by in his charm alone. Luckily he fell into music and discovered. How much hardware can benefit his passion projects. I came into this imagining. The paul was a sociopath because on the surface if you just see it's told a few things that are written about him he comes off as a bit flippant and callous. Yeah and now. I feel totally differently. He's made his fair share of mistakes. But i don't see any malice from them. Once you look a little deeper you discover how much his relationships actually mean to him and he does mean to do the good right thing. Yeah the end of the day. I don't think he wants to do anyone any harm. It comes down to him being the pr guy. The one who knew how business the beatles to success now we just does it for himself here. Close to ringo. And i have no doubt that if georgian john was still alive he would be close to them too. Yeah at the end of the day they were all beatles. It's a part of their lives. They will never shake. Paul still performs those classic tunes today. He still has to answer questions about what it was like to be a beetle and how they write those songs though. He has made a name for himself. Well beyond all of that in many facets no matter what we are always going to see some of paul one half of the lennon mccartney do oh yeah well. That's paul. I think he really did get a lot of flack for for quote unquote breaking up the beatles. He got a lot of flack for because people didn't tell the whole story right but because also the whole story was incredibly complicated and it wasn't newsworthy. Maga it was just so much easier to say. Paul mccartney ends the beatles exactly so much easier to say it that way than it was explaining. Exactly what was going on and i don't think anybody even bothered to try and figure out what was going on for like forty fucking years after that no. I don't think it was until recently when everyone was like. Hey wait a second. That was complicated and he only did that to try and help everybody else. How in the long run and it just so happens. That's everybody kind of just went their own way after that. Yeah i mean honestly. I think through doing this series. We have put a lot of that puzzle together. Yeah and like. I know you were going into this. Like paul mccartney's a fucking social and i was totally on board like yeah can figure it out. I don't care how you get there. Just figure it out. But like i don't care sylvia this shit you could peppy. Sylvia and yarn string line. The whole thing. I don't give a shit. Just figure out how. He's sociopath he's not. I understand how people would come to that conclusion. Especially considering everything that happened with the beatles everything that happened with heather mills because honestly like the british tabloids shit spilled into america. Oh yeah it was so ridiculous. It spilled out all over. America and peppered imaginations with what happened just made us feel like oh. He's beating her so he's obviously a terrible person. That's not necessarily the narrative here right so it's hard to reconcile his relationship with the beatles in the later part of the beatles simply because he was a domineering person. Yeah but i think that's just. Because that was his personality he wanted to have control over everything and he really wanted everybody else in the beatles to be on board with how okay. He was right with beatlemania with their fame with everything like that. But it just. It's not that way you can't control everybody. Yeah and i mean even he says in Many are surmount book. He looked over some letters that john and ringo had written for the courts during the whole suit thing and he's like. Oh wow i am really bossy mother. But that's what i like about him. Is that in later years. He was like oh fuck. Like i did a lot of things wrong like i really was abbassi asshole during a lot of this. It's just when you're young. And when you have that amount of fame in that amount of pressure yup and i think now i was a lot of pressure on him so i totally understand why he acted the way he acted when he was in the beatles right and i mean even beyond i think at certain point he just said fuck it. This is just too. I am if you wanna be on board. You can be more if you don't wanna be aboard one. Still just gonna do my thing. Whence nineteen seventy rolled around and once he was like oh fuck i have a family and a woman i love. He was like this. It doesn't really matter anymore. And i want the family. I don't necessarily want the bullshit that comes with the beatles. This is not worth the sacrifice. Yeah and honestly the all felt that way. Yeah all of them do and it sucks that they went about it the wrong way and it sucks that the tabloids picked up on that the media picked up on that and ran with it in that sense instead of. Everyone's just trying to do what they wanna do. And get away from the beatles and just make good for everybody and least now coming out that But the beatles at that they were trying to do they were being fucking human some of them better humans than others but they were just trying to to save themselves and not sacrifice you know their sanity right and yet at the end of the day. They're just people you know. And i think now that we take deeper looks into things. There are books their shows podcasts. Internet please internet. You can paint a much more in-depth picture of what happened. And who are humanistic. Yeah they are they have their flaws. And i think they have their merits and i. Yeah i don't i'm still. I'm still doing this ebb and flow thing withdrawn. Yeah 'cause i think i'm going into it. I think i know how i feel about john. I think he is just someone who is troubled and never got the help troubled also very misunderstood yes But also i understand why he was the way he was. But i'm not excusing. The way he was right he was. That's gonna be pretty much the entire theme across all of these. John very excited codes. It's going to be interesting. Well that's a teaser. For next week if you wanna come back in thank you so much for listening. I hope you guys enjoyed the episode's on paul and i hope it gave you more insight into a beetle. You really liked or me to like a beetle. You didn't really like orleans day. Make you hate him anymore. Began they make me hate him. Yeah right guys. We went in like not trust in paul. Trust paul now yeah. He's he's good. He's okay with paul mccartney. You can go back up to like one of my favorite beatles. I if i had to take a survey about. 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Mason and Ireland HOUR THREE

Mason & Ireland

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Mason and Ireland HOUR THREE

"Hi, everybody quit with the April Fools jokes. We get it. It's April one like everybody more that you heard all the April Fools joke. I just saw a promo for General Hospital. Fifty six anniversary that was in April. Fools joke that bringing those people back fifty six years, goodness, Mason Ireland Momo's here. Linda cones here. It is time for fast track. And let's see on one side of the coin, Linda, we've got. We love. Greg's April Fools joke on me on the other side of the coin we think it was incredibly harsh. And painful whose side of the coin was that a hard was that, you know, you you call it. Yeah. I'm going to say it was the first one, not harsh harsher painful. Grad harsher paid. There. You go. Chat. Linda, it is your option? I'm going to throw one out there. Okay. Okay. I have so many to pick on. I did my due diligence. In other words, did excellent. Yeah. Okay. And we were talking about this earlier. And I'm going to bring it back. I was so impressed Ramona. You'll be so impressed. I love to impress. Ramon lovie. I know I have an opportunity to impress Ramona Shelburne, I will do so I spend hours I spend hours doing so over the weekend. And I believe you played me alternate because you'd never tell a lie as we established never style ever. Never Mona disagree. All right back to impressing Ramon. So over the weekend. I heard something fabulous. When my favorites entertainers musicians singers vocalists Stevie nicks did something that has never been does TV in the history of the rock and Roll Hall of fame. She's the first woman to be inducted twice lice once with Fleetwood, MAC and one's solo performer. So good for her. Yup. I was pretty cool. She did a duet with Harry styles. Stop dragging my heart around. Of course, she did that with Tom petty who's no longer with us back in the day. But Harry styles, of course, and she didn't make a boo boo. I'm going off the off the beaten path like one of my questions, she she mistakenly said that Harry styles was part of an sink. Oh, okay. But that's the younger. Yes. All right. So so then I was talking to you Steve earlier about, you know, and I dated myself because I said one of the first concerts, I ever went to was Madison Square Garden Fleetwood MAC. Okay. And I was in like the third to last row at the garden, but just to be there to see Stevie nicks twirl around wearing all black to me was amazing. So this guy behind me was reaching, you know, he so I had been yours, and he begged me, please. Can I use your binoculars? I never got the binoculars back. But I understood it right which rings me to my fast track question to me. I'll never forget that concert can use Steve tell me the concert that you went as a youngster for me was I was fifteen that you will always remember or had a story attached to it. My first concert was. Boston. The band cost, of course, with Sammy Hagar opening awesome. And I had entered at a record store this contest to win. Boston tickets. I filled out an entry blank in the grand prize was a trip to Boston and tickets to see Boston in concert credible. So I won my dad stole the trip to Boston. He went there with my mom. I got the Boston. I I love the concert. I had a blast of the concert. But I've always held it against my dad, actually, stealing my trip to the city of Boston awful thin is an awful thing. But I I got over it knows a great show. All right. But that should have been a one hundred percent. How is it if experience? Instead, you said are in your you said, it was attached to a good story story, but I'm heartbroken for you. Oh, don't don't be. I've been to Boston since. Okay. All right. Yeah. Ramona. You know, I didn't really go to concerts as a kid. I was okay. I know what it was. I was just like really busy with school and softball, and it was kind of like, I had friends who went to concerts. But then I say, yeah. And it was like the concerts. I went to go to a concert tie was like in college. Like the first stuff. I went to was in college like real, concerts you and I have gone to a few. Yeah. Now, I all the time. It's like a making up for lost time. Would we go? See we want to see Mumford and. That was awesome. We go to see you too mazing. I think the best concert I've ever been to those Springsteen closed down the sports arena couple years ago. I think he played there was he the first concert that the sports right now. I first concert staple center. Yeah. Yeah. I was nineteen ninety nine. He was incredible. Like, I could not believe how long he played for how enthusiastic he was. I was tired. I was like Bruce. It's time to go home. Yeah. I mean, it's like eleven thirty. Let's go. He gives you as money's money's worth amazing. And then you know, he played wrecking ball. And then they took the wrecking ball to the sports arena was awesome. Yeah. That's a big deal was the primary. I event at Staples thousand nine hundred nine Bruce Springsteen concert. I think Ireland was there too. Yeah. Those are great shows about I then we'll continue about the staple center. You know, being this New York girl coming out late living here, probably not returning back to New York. But the staple center is been around so long that item think of. Paypal's the office supply store. Correct. I have staple center the amazing sports arena in Los Angeles. Isn't that interesting got their money's worth for those naming rights? That's for sure. It's you're listening to Caspian, Los Angeles. Fasttrack brought to you by Rex Rex dedicated to helping homeowners save using game changing technology a full-service experience. No middleman, Rex cutting agent commissions by seventy percent to get started an unlock your savings. Visit sell with Rex dot com. Momo? It's to you fouls. Chack Burger King announced the plant based Walker. Possible offer and it is debut in fifty nine Saint Louis restaurants. Now, this is not an April Fools joke. Right. It's for real Steve is this for real is this something you're going to try or are you in the camp of like, I can't have a plant baseball. If you're going to go to Burger King get a burger like if I want to I'll go to real food daily. If I want vegetables, it's like whole foods. Now, I won't go to whole foods are our Twitter followers down. I'll go to smuggle to sprouts. Okay. I'll go to sprouts if I need vegetables. But yeah. No. The whole point of getting fast food is getting a good all beef burger. That's right. So I'm not going to Burger King for a plant based burger first of all when I think of burgers healthy, burgers, I go grass fed. So I don't know grasping as that sounds fake to me sounds like a Kebir, right? If it's grass fed, I'm like, all right Burger King at least, you figured out the health food corner. But I'm with Steve. It's a joke. It's like when fast food restaurants probably twenty years ago, decide to go with a grilled chicken sandwich. Don't go grilled if you're at a fast food restaurant. I don't go through that drive though, fried chicken, you know, for grill. It's because I'm craving fat. Yes. And oil. Yes. I don't want anything grill. Yes. I want everything. Fry Tra mayo. Thanks, very extra cheese special sauce. And why Saint Louis is that where they're based? They're just they consider that to be reasonable tests where they used to be like the with movies will play in Peoria. Okay. If you're testing out a vegetable burger eight it and Saint Louis erronous there it is fast. Chad I'm having a struggle. I'm in the middle of a book called writing this book. No, no, no, rob pulling on just reading on doing his reading the book. I wanna find your iphone. My phone quota power. It's called the current. It's written by Tim Johnston. So I'm in ninety three percent on my kindle, I've spent so I've invested so much time in this book, but must be good with apologies to Tim Johnston. I can't stand the book has made it this far one said to me to just don't finish it. Yeah. And I said, I I'm I'm close I've got to finish this book. Even though I don't like it. Should I finish the book? Here's what you do skip to the last five pages. Yeah. I did it I one of the Dan Brown books. You know, the Vinci co guy he he hit it out of the park with the Vinci code. It was fun. And then they did like three more, and they're all like various one is a little worse than. Yeah. The like the last one I just couldn't get through it. I was like I just want to know how it ends. I just wanna know what ends up. So you either read the last five pages to find out how it ends or you go on the internet and you Google. Yeah. Yeah. That's cheating, by the way. It is bitten miss blackbox who still her Kimball. But Steve bigger question is how did you get to ninety three percent? Will you just waiting for it to get better at some point at some point? It's like a son call in for a penny in for a pound you. You've made your men follow through. And by the way, I already know the answer. I will find a way to finish this book. You have to kills me. So my answer is you have to ninety three percent. Just definitely fit chat to you. Okay. So I I'm sure you're where it's April Fool's today. Yeah. Yeah. Heard that anyone who heard the beginning of the program is that as well. We'll Tom Brady did something funny today. Joe Brady, no strangers social media. But this was day one for Tom to join Twitter. Yes, we're stay on Twitter. I Twitter and his first tweet was a very funny. I'm retiring in my spare time I'll be tweeting hashtag L F G and everyone who follows the patriots like me who loves Tom Brady TB twelve knows what LSD stood is it. What is let's Blancan. Go. So it's like, let's get after it. Right. It's like let's go after. Yeah. Okay. So I was going to ask before. Because again, I did my research these questions before a program, but then considering what you went through thanks to grid next to Greg pull the wild one on you. But my question was and what's the best April Fools joke? You pool pulled in your lifetime or someone pulling on you. Now. So Greg's April Fools joke is not the old time pests. But have you Steve pulled a great, April Fools joke on anyone or has someone got to you previously in Greg? I can like hear the wheels turn show. I think he's thinking of in God, I wanna say this is a while ago. It was me and Ireland, and we convinced people that there was a pitcher who threw one hundred twenty miles. That's good. He was a high school kid who could throw one hundred and twenty miles an hour in the draft was coming up, and we're talking about whether or not I think we're working San Diego. Whether or not the Padres were going to be able to draft this kid, and I'm trying to remember his name. His name was. Joke. If you ran it back while right? It it told the truth. Yes. In the bed. The pitcher is a Finch kind of it was like a sid Finch. Exactly right to get the Mets in the show. Normal. What about you? Good one though, you know, nothing's coming to mind that I think it's what I said to you during the break like if somebody cares enough to prank. You April Fools. You take it as a compliment agree, right? Yeah. Three. Yeah. I wish somebody would you put up a very good point before. This is the fact that social media has given a spark, Tapu fools. Yeah. I mean, it's almost like to get a jump the shark. Yeah. I mean, there's some anyone who's on Twitter. Just look at social media or anywhere. Should once you moron chomp out that it's April Fool's. Yeah. And you see the first one like the rest of them were like on arouse today. Tom Brady the guy from million dollars. Cliff kingsborough Lynn who don't know that one. That's. Actually, I'll do it after I'll do it after fasttrack. It's really good store yet. Because fast check might turn. Okay yesterday. I went to my friend's fortieth birthday party. So I was born in nineteen seventy nine which means all of my high school friends are turning forty this year. I'm deciding what I'm gonna do to celebrate my fortieth in July and August and inevitable in August. And I just got to go to Hawaii or something. I'll be good. But seeing as I have to elder state's men women here with me. I would like to ask your advice on how you celebrate the big foro. Oh, good question. You know, what's sad. This is what happens when you get older. I don't remember how number forty. Telling him. So I I gotta go. I have that's a great. I reminded my fifth. Well, my fiftieth wasn't great. It was very disappointing. I had some great friends with me. But certain people let me down. I'll never forgive them fortieth. I don't remember. And that's crazy Goldie. Goldie? Here's what I'll say about. I cannot remember my fortieth. Can you believe it? We both can't remember it. I'm trying to remember why was in the world at this time. This time. I mean, I I mean, I was I was single. Okay. I was desperately single. He who you said. I d-. Yeah. I was desperately single. I remember that. So I can't imagine. I was very happy. See that's I was I was married and at time, and I was young mom to me. That's young my two young kids. I mean forty so my let's see my daughter's twenty-seven now my son's twenty three. So do the math. So. Well, what would they so? Yeah. So you can do the math. But I guess I was so busy being a mom. We didn't have time to celebrate the fortieth. I think that's kind of where we are like Daniel won't even be one years old. You should have a party. Yeah. Absolutely of apart. Even I never even been invited your house invited just too far in the valley. You don't wanna drive valley? I'll come to your home, and I'll come. Something right. I don't have my passports out of date. I can't. Can't come that far is. It's like another country's. But you're you're deep deep in the valley. Deep south mansion tell him he's prayed the picture for me the Ramona mansion. Right. Have you talked to Greg? Greg you've been house. Yeah. I went to what do you think is a beautiful house? It's gorgeous way, I loved it. Oh, yeah. It was it was a little distance. Nice. For me. We we broadcast live from my office with Daniel cry in the nursery next year. Hold on one second. I gotta go get Daniels. Is there a motel I can stop at like halfway there. Yeah. But there may have been police activity at that hotel last weekend. More more, fasttrack, minutes, Mason and Ireland Linda's here. And so as Momo ESPN LA, I by the way, totally blanked on this. But my birthday when I was forty March twenty third of two thousand four was the very first day that me and Ireland worked at ESPN together. We started on my fortieth birthday somewhere. John is shaking his head. Like, I can't believe you forgotten not only in a tornado diversity. But it was you darned fortieth last week. So March the twenty third this year would have been our fifteenth anniversary being on the air here. And I just remembered I did the math because it takes me at least the commercial break to do math that. Okay. My fortieth, which I could not remember nineteen ninety nine as I date myself. But that's okay. Two young mother of two young children. My eight year old daughter at that time three year old son at the time and doing late nights. Sportscenter. Wow. So I only had three hours of sleep nightly. So that explains my brain problems at this age amid didn't bring out a cake on sportscenter. You know, they might have they no they didn't. Here's at the center. For me did come through with the whole thing for doing the most sports centres ever, which I thought was cool aim to fame. Ramona, and they did give me a cake, then, oh, that's very nice might favorite athletes. Hold in cool. Cluding Mark Messier of the Rangers Asya. Asya? Girl is to me. It's the start of a new era in major league baseball now that Adrian beltway and Bartolo Cologne hung up their spikes. There is not a single player left from the twentieth century in major league baseball to Elias MLB is the first of the four major sports to begin a season without an active player who suited up in the nineteen hundreds sad one thousand nine hundred Trump's thanks. Days with young players like flat America, railroad junior Fernando to t- student or wants Soto Ronald a Kuna young stars for the dodgers like Bellinger. Bueller? Seger. Baseball is definitely developing young players to major league ready in less time than ever before. Does this youth movement have a chance to attract more millennial generation Z eyeballs? Absolutely. And it's because the personalities of those young players, I think that the younger generation has embraced social media. A little bit more. They've been brazed personality a little bit more like Cody Bellinger to me has that kind of personality real star. And he is not afraid to say as he's not afraid to be a little out there with some of the things he he talks about and his game is kind of flashy like I think that this young. They look at it. I mean, he is he is fast man, he'd be out an infield single in that eighth inning last night or yesterday afternoon. Look fantastic. He's just. A great athlete all around. And by the way, some of these guys. I mean, Ronald a Kuna so fun. Unbelievable. Wants Soto fantastic to tease junior and Guerrero junior of both going to be great. What do you think? Linda, I go the opposite, Greg. I'm I missed the Bartolome colognes. I mean, even in this world is social media when the things viral, we see, you know, young kids can laugh at seeing guys as old as their grandfather. Pigs. I. I'm just saying he was forty four years old here. I I'm this is a huge void in the game. Now, they're don't have the pioneers the guys that drove the stage coach the colonial days event should back in the nineteen hundred. I think we're saying his the older generation like I totally missed Bortoli. He was great. On task. But there aren't as generation. That's it's actually just it's still there's still some of those players there that this idea that you're not bigger than the t- the baseball rules and the the old the unwritten rules, right? And they're all cardinals fans or something. This play getting the right way the game the right way. I mean, there was this doesn't get better than this better than I mean, it is. That generation of baseball player needs to go. Yeah. I mean when you got to embrace or young fans, she spectacular charismatic players. I mean, I think God blessed Bartolo Cologne Adrian beltway. But I think the game getting younger has a chance to attract younger, but let's not kill belt trae and Bard. They won't say that they didn't preach outdoors game supposed to be. It's usually these old managers that are doing that the recycled skippers in the car that I'm here. Yeah. And the cardinals for some Houston you to have something in the cargo. Let's hear more. People in LA hate the car. He lost to the car knows too many times in the playoffs. I hate the carves. Last check, Linda, Stu you. Eight is already right. You know, I figured like, okay. You know, you've heard of the show I'm this. I'm being sarcastic. And I like being sarcastic second week in April. Green thrones is back. So it you can't believe it. Big, hugh. Yes. Oh, I'm getting so excited with him. Your name of thrones. Counting down the days as we all are. But the thing I love disappears. I went to the yes. Yeah. Momo and I went to the game of thrones concert. I mean, that's how big it's just literally went to the guy who music. And they played the music that went along with the seems like battle the ballots. They weren't all. It was awesome. It was awesome. I get it. You're preaching to the choir. What's not to love for goodness sake. So people like you, then Willie will get my fast track question because when you meet someone who has not watched an episode. All right, thrones. You're like what planet are you from what is wrong with you who made you are you a few been what is your do? You know? Right. So wait, no, go ahead remote. I'll see O'Shea live tweeting game Shays live tweeting game. Thrones amazing. Go ahead. Okay. So this is a duly. No O'Shea live tweets game of thrones every catching up he's so long as he doesn't spoil it for some people who may have to wait not us because we see it exactly when it's happening. But my basically my question to you is other than game. Thrones. Is there a movie or TV show that everybody watches? We're just seems like everyone has seen in their life. Or everyone has a television show has seen or movie Dave Wilson, and you have not is there something that sticks out to you. That's as popular as a game of thrones terrorists that you have not seen a single episode or a moment. Major motion picture, I find it embarrassing. I have one two let's why bring it up. But I have never watched the sopranos then you'll really embarrassed that isn't balancing, I know that yet PA. Isn't that awful? Now. How do you explain it? I just didn't catch onto it was the at that time everyone watching I just kind of skipped it. But you're right. The sopranos. Everybody watched that last episode was disappointed, right? And everybody else just sitting at the dining the word, but don't stop believing in journey got reborn. And yet yet, I do judge people, mama. What you? Yeah. I didn't watch breaking that. Wow. That's big too. I know I just missed it. I just missed the whole thing. I tried to describe it to me. And I was like that's weird. Is that a hit? Say premise doesn't seem that interesting. The last episode of breaking bad was gigantic everybo- like Ireland, and I had a two day more Torian before we would talk about it. So let people and that's the same going to be for game of thrones. Like, I'm not gonna talk about on Monday. But on Tuesday that fair game here. Yeah. I have one. Yeah. I never and I'm proud of it because I could catch up and bin Jawad and care. Never saw careful never saw twenty one really twenty four. What is he twenty one? I didn't either, you know. Actually, forget they remote for twenty one. Either. Check. This is what I'm saying Kiefer Sutherland four remember how big that was I never saw twenty four either. I really petered out like, you know, the first season was great. And there was a couple here and there, but right wasn't that an original concept that hoped on it was good? But you know, it just how many times can he like almost die. And you think he dies, and I just remember that being like a big show, the blockbuster show type of thing and the way for bonus. Yeah. Answer for a major motion picture that. I finally saw six months ago for the first time 'cause I weakened and I had a Forrest Gump. I went all that time raised a movie that I do not like it all you thought also overrated very overrated. Thomas hangs performance or just the whole conscious the whole conscience you hear that they were going to do a sequel no nine eleven happened. And then he didn't do it. Oh, wow. That's a true story the writer. Who wrote Forrest Gump? Thought about doing a sequel actually put some serious notes down. And by the way, the notes looked awful. Like, it looked like it would have been a bust as a sequel to Forrest Gump nine eleven happened. And he shelved it for life. Well, I'll say this about game of thrones. Yeah. It is going to be at maybe the last great cultural communal moment that we have might say that because everybody watches shows now. Whenever they want to like, for example. I I'm watching shows that I know Momo's now watching ammos what you chose that. I'm not watching. But this is one show where everybody is watching. And that last episode. I mean, they don't rate for HBO, but it is going to be viewed in the millions and millions around the world, and we're all gonna share that together. The only time that happens. Now is sports. Yeah. Sports. That happens all the time, but television has become so fragmented, and we all bend different times. Wait, but listen, it's so much fun. If you haven't gone on O'Shea Jackson's Twitter. Oh, I know. I mean, okay. He's doing a lot of this pretty late at night on the weekends. So there may be some other things going on OJ has a you know, he has already a few of these hot days Witter followers. Thank cat, dark w Tf. Are you thinking you? Let Jamie go. That's the first time. She disappointed me. He really burned out some kid bodies. Dion is a real. I can't say the. Word now, he put up the fake Burt little kid bodies. How soft do you? What is he talking about? That was the. Dragons, I know this eight pretty sure one hundred thousand percents sure she gets a bag, but it's a checkpoint. Let me tell you kidding followers, though. If you're not seeing game of thrones long. Oh, no. We'll know these are old episodes. He's watching this for the first time. He's watching it for the first time we started on a Friday. Let took him so long. Nobody wants to be part of the party. I got a little hitman, homey. I'm with it for now. Just keep reading his tweets then. I think that rob Pelinka montages. We have stuff shade tweeted. Back little finger is a bigger Bs or and it's not even close. Of course, they trying to pull some state shady stuff on Khalidi. She got to listen to her obi-wan-kenobi and chill out in Carthage. There you go. So what is doing? He's caught up and on the wagon. Am I going to be concerned? If I follow him now. No, no way. And he's going to blow it like if I don't see game, which I will. But game of thrones though, you'll be watching season three. Yeah. He's he's been caught up. Like, I don't think he's even reached Kenny set by the way after the final episode. Very smart. They're making a documentary on the making of the whole thing. That's keep it going to tell you coming back next. That's the NFL strike, but I want to play for you guys a little eight remiss laughing at little mystery voice. Do you versus Linda Momo versus Linda in mystery voice to see you know, I'm terrible at game. So if you don't win it's on you boy, you pressure now with the favorite, Linda, you're the favorite log, see if I can handle it. We'll do it next. Mason in Ireland Momo's here, social, Linda Coney, ESPN, LA, ESPN, LA Mason, Ireland Momo's here. Linda Cohn is air and leftover from fasttrack. I've got some mystery voice. Ooh. Let's do it. So I've got five voices. Okay. Your name is your buzzer. Linda. Okay. When you think, you know, the voice just shout out your name. I like name that tune better. But okay, this is mystery voice. All right. I gotta get my cue cards here. So I know remember, I'm really bad at all games. Oh, okay. If you can't beat me your on your under promising absolutely HERE IS NUMBER one today. Sorta reminds me of the weekend when the Superdome open or there's there's so much national focus on the city, and and and people are focusing so much attention on on Linda how Stanford rightist. Not get that you you know, what you really had to get the hi hat to you. Every day playing fries. Athlete or something. I'm like. That can't be standing your studies talking about New Orleans, and he loves the folks can be anybody is number two healing. Could you haven't or anything from that guy who gives them over? Is that Homer Simpson? Homer simpson. We're one in one well done. Abe simpson. Grandpa's pita Griffin. I would have gotten it here is. So it's one to one HERE IS NUMBER three. You've all had enough. Evan. You're gonna have to wait. This is incredible. And. On april. The second. We're playing the New Orleans Hornets be ri- right there and replaying at American Airlines arena, and we got beat by at least twenty points in the game. Linda Linda's Paul. It sounds like an NBA head coach. And I. Boo. I don't know. Okay. So we're more. American Airlines arena is down is either Alice or Miami one of them is American Airlines center, and then they're playing the Hornets. Right. So that sounds like either an old coach or an old player. Call it. Can I call it? John calipari. Not John part one. Give me a little more. Okay. Hang on. You've all had enough every. Well, you'll have to wait. This is incredible. And. On april. The second you guys know this this is the New Orleans Hornets. Right there speech. I'm gonna call it that is Pat Riley. That's Pat, right? Didn't sound like one hundred percent power eilly. Wow. That's his hall of fame speak Santa two had Miami. Right then. Yeah. You do. So we're one in one go to mystery voice. Did you know that when I thought it was someone else? Real southern me, Pat, Riley dimmed shown younger here is mystery Boyce number four, there's definitely definitely a lot of failure ahead. And there's definitely I've been set up for the biggest fall in my life. I don't think he can go any higher. I'm not going to win the National League MVP again. And that in the playoffs. I'm not gonna wanna be Bryce Harper. No, it's not Christian yelich. You are both raw Ryan bridge. It's oral her shots. If you had a hung on it would've said, I'll never throw fifty nine. Now. So it's one one you really dug into the archives for that one. I I'm always dating more. Now could be from anywhere buddy, any decade mystery voice. Number five. This is for everything. Okay. This is what it's all about. Doesn't get any better than this does not get any better than this. Here we go number five. I believe in a church in baseball. Susan Sarandon and bull Durham. Miss them win. Anything with bull Durham come on? Now, you got anything related to that? The church baseball speech. Well done that was exciting. I have one in a while. Yeah. I don't think I farted in. So really you've won. Well, we've won because she had two months that is your to blend him punch punchline my favorite punch line. Actually, there are three great punch lines from this year. Okay. Number one. Yes. We going straight to the point of call about last night. Obviousness mech designs put that boy on put that blowing a waffle house fron pan. That's Nicole Roby Coleman. Oh, my about the play where he took out that New Orleans fever in the NFC champ. Number two, Evans smoking some pot. Oh, I know who that is. No, no. These weren't the voices. Don Nelson on Nelson's. Use the beer in Don Nelson showed up. He's got like he's rocking opponent to Willie or something this this like just a couple of weeks ago. And then, of course, honestly, don't think I farted in two months. Those are the three when was this one? Why the Colli loud coli is big that was a press conference. Yeah. That was that was last year that was last year's on my. Oh, shade drop or he answered my story about not farting two months. No, oh that was a pretty good one. This is nipsy hustle who was tragically killed in a shooting yesterday near his marathon clothing store near slauson and Crenshaw. There is no information about the suspect. The LAPD believes they know who did this. He was a huge Lakers fan. He was nominated for best rap album at the Grammys this year as done a lot of great work in the community. Especially in the Crenshaw district in as a terrible terrible loss. It's to me. It's it's like this generations to puck, right? Our big year to pock. That's that was my point of reference where I mean like poetic, not just not just a musician just poetic something to say social activists. Like, this do were, you know, like there are people that just talk and go on social media and tweet. Yup. He made things happen. He created. And it inspired a tremendous mega millions of people. And you know, you mentioned to pock I mentioned back in the day when John Lennon was gunned down in front of his apartment building. The Dakota broke my heart from me, John Lennon was everything I grew up, you know, loving John Lennon, the Beatles. And all that. And you know, it's it's it's it's a similar thing. And they're both horrific and he had been scheduled to meet with L A. Police Commissioner Steve sober off an LAPD chief Michael Moore today at four PM to discuss ways to stop. Gang violence, just a tragedy and the NBA reacted in a big way. Most of the Lakers tweeted, something LeBron. So so sad, man. Damn man that this hurt was his tweet kouzmine my dog. You will be missed a lot of tweets from NBA players around the league fell to NFL. So yeah. Yeah. So terrible terrible loss. Let's let's do some dodgers. Dodgers had a fantastic opening weekend. Gregor you doing a post dodger you've got so many different hosts games you've got the two Lakers. They sleep at jello jiggling is that what it's Showtime forum at butter is har- at Showtime forum. It is not anything to do with chick. I thank you. Although that'd be a good way to go. Yeah. It would be at Showtime. That's Lakers is at Showtime forum and my post game post game shows I'll be doing one per series. And I do it on my own platforms at Bergman, Greg for Twitter, Instagram, periscope Facebook. It's a lotta platform. Do you have any time to produce the show mostly just you doing post game show randomly on the unraveling Twitter? I think that's better for you to answer. Because I can't tell you what I do for the show. Yes. No. I do them at night afterwards. After the all the games. It's it's fun to interact with people. It's funny because I don't we don't take phone calls. Basically what my and I don't like phone calls. Yeah. But that's basically what I do is. I take you just talk. I just talked to people. Yeah. You talk to people. Right. I've seen that. It's weird. But it's fun. It is so dodgers win their first series of the year. They took three out of four from Arizona. They were fantastic this weekend. They just hit. They finished by scoring forty two runs in four games. Fourteen home runs four for Cody Bellinger, who I think is going to emerge as a legit MVP candidate this year. He got that swing like easy not striking out like you used to you know, what they're all doing. I noticed this. And they've got a new hitting coach I noticed that with two strikes. They're shortening up there. Thank god. So they're not swinging from their heels, I got to the point last year Seve where I. Almost couldn't watch all those extra inning games. Every single battery was just trying to hit home run. Right. Every night. It was is what happened. Did you see anything Saturday turned the game off and go back to it? If still on they all started swinging from their hands baseball. I was I all tried to end the game. Austin Barnes was up in the eleventh. And I remember thinking, oh, they got two runners on he's going to drive them in and then I had to go in the other room because Daniel was crying came back, and they were still playing in the thirteenth. Yup. I was like what's going? I mean, James. Get the ball in play. And let's let's do this thing. See the end of that game. I did see Joe Kelley blow the lead twice. I mean. Yeah. There are there are issues there. We love the bats. We got to continue to hit like the way they are especially with no Clayton Kershaw sideline. But good news as you mentioned earlier in the program, maybe coming back sooner than we expect. So you have to pile up the winds early. It doesn't matter now Aaron okay, you know, they've taken a step back. No. You got to beat the teams that are on your schedule. And that's what the dodgers did come the giants. The giants scored a total of five runs in their four game series with San Diego. That is a broken down old team. They are broken down. They're old. They are years away from being good again years years away from being good again. And and tonight at truly arenas versus drew Pomeranz. Who's leading the Padres might be the biggest challenge to the dodgers. I think I think Colorado will be bad. I think the Padres are going to be a lot better than we expected. I think that team is probably seventy. Eight win. They've got some young talent that is going to blossom eventually whether it's this year next year two years from now Chris paddock who is a young pitcher that they've they've called up who's really young threw a great game for them on Saturday. And let me tell you what's happening right here. This is May's prepping for rotisserie league is that what's going on. I just thought out that Chris Dodig Lou reference, this is if I really thought I was going to draft crisp paddock in our league. It'd be talking about them straight the season has begun. How come the draft didn't take place in your surreally? Get isn't that kind of not yet? I know. That's what happens. He's got a very all these guys in his league are all busy making you're in the same lane. Clinton. I like let's do the draft before the season starts I'd like witness fourteenth. It's like the playoffs. Started ready last year? I couldn't even go. You know? Yeah. Okay. I'll draft Cody Bellinger and Christian yelich. I mean, come on you guys. But it's not you only two weeks. I still snacks. They've got a new in Travis Rodgers and Brian Kim. And it's skier in the league, Molly night and O'Shea in the league. They're both co-owners you and your uncle Frank. Who does all our? Our fellow Frank Phil, right? Come on. We won the league. We gotta learn his Neko Phil are you actually going to be at the draft this year. It depends on if I have to cover the playoffs or not now basically I was in Miami last year. It was like the first round of the NBA playoffs a new world. Baseball fantasy hardest one to it is. It is say it. I mean, it's not even breaking news. Can I hear that police? The breaking news press. Fantasy abide far toughest is not even a close. Second. Get this the league that I'm in right now started. Yes. In nineteen Eighty-eight. Wow. That was a good year for the darrow's. If I recall, it was there are five people in the league who've been in it all these years thirty one years we've been in the same fantasy league. This is nice. We'll need another -nother. Well, you have to write the rotisserie. I mean, what's we only have one league? Oh, I'm almost until I'm joined the clarify. Yeah. I haven't been in it for no you've been in four or five Nablus. You're not even forty yet. So for goodness sake. Around the corner. Wait a minute. You're not even forty yet. That means that's why we tell you where nine when the league started basic. Basic math work. Wow. Yeah. All right. Oh topless. A happy Monday stop nine when you started your a little happy Monday nineteen Eighty-eight. All right. Coming up next. We've got it. It's happening. Tori. Let's get after it. We're going to try to get after it, George Sodano. I it is that time. Storytime you were trying hard today. Look you've got all dressed up. You actually did your hair did my hair. What does that? There's other words. I didn't didn't put a ball cap on. I think there's some the product in there. Oh, there's no there's product no saying he's like doing his price Harper with the product in the Hampshire. George John Becton hamp now, I'm just kidding Virga. Tori. What are you doing there? George. I am lamenting how awful we all are picking are brackets. Is you know? Well, I mean there was no, right. Nobody got I guess if you ran with Virginia. Yeah. That's pretty much it. I did run with Virginia. But everyone do you have them winning. I haven't gone to the championship. That's good. Yeah. Okay. So that is impressive. If it comes down to it. If for Jinya wins. Then I win our bracket pool if they get to the championship they get to the championship game. If they don't get to the championship game. Then Kirk Morrison win. Yeah. Yeah. He's got the lead right now. But none of us were specially terrible. Terrible. May. So what happened? I thought you won this thing against Michael Tom cited to for a minute there. Yeah. I heard about that. I I was told that I was the winner. I couldn't have been more excited. I know it's not as though I lobbied everybody to vote for me. I mean, you did go to your philanthropic arm to five hundred dollars donation to the Thompson family found a not enough money in this thing apparently not enough not enough money to me. That's a lot of money. Yeah. To me five I made is it though. Yeah. Yes. It was a nice gesture was not and I'm going to write the check anyway. Good for you. Yeah. No Michael's already trash talking me. I have to face off with Michael Thompson round. You're afraid for me. I'm afraid for you know, people love you. But it's a different level of love for Michael Tom Tomlin. He's look look what he's done. He is already trash talking. Remember voters? I am more of a feminist than Ramona is I watched the w m I saw that I have time in hallmark movies, the W TA, and I'm the biggest Becky Lynch fan on seven tenths ladies vote. Should go to me the next tweet. I don't quite understand is just lobbying. The ladies. And I'm just as excited for the women's final four as I am for the men. I bet Ramona doesn't even know who's in the women's funding door. I don't think it's there yet. They have a few more playing games. Stanford taiko apparently already know. He's he's like the fact that it hasn't. I think they played tonight and tomorrow, they're women's trying four is always two days two days. I just went on Twitter and saw Michael Thompsons feed. And I'm noticing I think you have more followers than him though. Yeah. But he I mean, he's only twenty six thousand. Right. But he's got he can activate those twenty six. Didn't like Aasheim may or anything. You know? I'm a little surprised you guys given the love for Michael. And he's a great Uman, but Ramones fair like a lot of his tweets are are just rattling. He's friends Raisman guy. Yeah. Yeah. I just weird observations. That Michael has do you have audio of when Michael called in do we we don't have it you guys in cut that up? Thanks. That. Well done. I didn't wanna do. He's he's too busy doing his post game for the already Lakers. The dodgers story games postgame raiders. Greg social media platform in good Lord. He's so concerned about his platforms. He doesn't often have time to produce a show, right? Yeah. No. That's all I'm thinking about all day, always says that Ireland is the guy who, you know, cracks the whip on you know, and he's not even here today. That's true. You know, who knows crack the whip on you Moore's mirrors in Ireland. Well, it's just it's different. Like, you're you you get upset about big things. Ireland gets upset about little things. That's pretty bad. Because I mean, someone's always upset. I mean, that's how this works. What do I get upset about like a big things that are actually having like if we if we miss something or if it was a boring segment that you don't like whereas on we'll be like why is that commercial playing? That's you're right. Why is my voice on their twice? Yeah. I don't know read today. How dare you? Give me to read. There you go. What about some of the reads I have to read ZipRecruiter. You know? All right sponsor, George last year was the lowest rated NC double a championship game in all of recorded history. And this one will be worse, this one mall be worse. Yeah. Last year, at least we had the sister, gene in the loyal guy. Didn't they Manafort Lola did they make the final? I don't remember did not. And I went out. Today who she was associated with loyal. Who want us your own ova? Yes. Yes. Again's knowing Sheehan Villanova Michigan. Yeah. Last year. Yes. So those are that's Philly. And and our loyal. She made the final four. Yeah. They made it right. Let me tell you something is it Turner who has the the championship game. Yes. Okay. Because CBS had the final. Yup. Right. Yeah. They are not happy right now loss, can we get it? They lost his term. So let me tell you. What could save this? What Charles Barkley? We Auburn makes. Yeah. That's true. That's true. So they'll tune into him and not the game. Although I'm looking back at the ratings over the years for the NC double a championship. Game tips. Villanova worst-ever Villanova Michigan UNC the year before great Villanova UNC. Great, Duke, Wisconsin. Great. Wow. Uconn, Kentucky great. Anytime Kentucky, the blue bloods. Yeah, kentucky. Yeah. UNC NC two or do the ratings earlier if you miss out on one of those three you're kind of screwing ratings perspective because those three are like the Yankees and the Red Sox. I feel like if you see a lay ever got to a championship gaming and like it would be big Los Angeles behind. Yeah. Sure. Sure. Fact, the western United States really have nothing to do with the NCAA tournament anymore. Right. Well does acts, but that's kind of like a small little. Yeah. I still look at them as like a mid major to be honest. I do too. Yeah. Just a really good one. Right. Yeah. Blue bloods. But I think it's time to you know, hit your wagons behind a animated personality, which I have done with Bruce per I'm with you all misprint story. I know I was in Bristol Connecticut forever. You know, purgatory for twenty six years, by the way, we tell people they can't. They can't be in Los Angeles. Snuck it in. He worked in Bristol. For awhile did. So I got to be good friends with him. So I root for him. And he so animated he should have his own reality show. So he is worth tuning in for and Auburn that whole story reminds me of you con- how they came out of nowhere. Remember when it was their first time at the final four twenty years ago. Whatever the heck it was and they went on and won everything. And you know, I think so here's two problems. Don't knock a great story. All right. Here's the two problems. What are the to the best allburn stories the kid who's not playing anymore tours ACL and the coach who doesn't play right and Barkley who doesn't play and Barclay doesn't play right? Yeah. Every June Virginia and Texas Tech. Good lord. That's awful basketball. It's like shedding the back, and you you watch him, right? The game. And you cannot watch. I mean, it'll well. Well, any game with Virginia is really hard to watch. Yeah. I mean, well, Texas Tech is just as bad. If is is all fishing guy back in the day. Wisconsin back in the game still three years ago. Yeah, it's still you know, what? And I this goes to prove the point people really want offense. Yes. They want threes. The only team in this final four that really shoots threes. Well, is Auburn Auburn may be they have quick they may be the sneaky pick to win every so sneaky anymore. A lot of those Duke terrible three point shooting team. Yeah. We didn't see as much three point shooting in this tournament. It it felt like a lot of it was was sort of old fashioned. How does K not get shooters around those guys, right? Yeah. I mean, he's got the ability to recruit anyone in everyone. And look those guys obviously are one and done. But there guys on that roster who are not one runs and. How it is. Nobody shoot the ball while they're you know, the stat is that RJ Barrett and sign Williamson scored fifty one percent of their points in the NCAA tournament. I mean, they they were too reliant on two guys. And they neither Barrett is pretty good three point. You to resign obviously, doesn't shoot three's. Sometimes it's it's also just the simple as it takes a really good a really long time to become a good three point shooter. And so those aren't necessarily the guys who are one and done players, right? Sometimes they take except curry went to Davidson for a while. He wasn't. He wasn't like the big star who got recruited every well, it takes time to grow into your body. And that ten tends to be inevitable. Here's a dynamic three. And Devon Devon Booker was one in done, and he he's been amazing shooting threes and probably came out of the womb. For him the way. Yeah. No. I'm just I'm I'm all about let's find a new storyline. Because we have no choice. Right. But that's the other. I mean, that's it. I mean, it'll be on right? All right. You know, American idol come out come on. I tried watching that I'm just I'm on the biggest country music fan in this room. Okay. That's a big statement. Right. It is I love country me. Got a lot. On. That's my sarcastic actually, the biggest country music fan listening. I know, but Brian is very boring to me. It's just not a good lineup and Lionel Richie. Hello. Kate is great though. She she. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I back to realize what else? Saying I agree. I agree with George the games will be on. Right. And that's it, and I may pay attention if it's close. Yeah. I'm not going to get. I'm not going to get all the Raftery and Nansen Grant Hill start getting really excited. I'll look up the one game. I. Is what line will Jim Nance prepare in advance. Oh, yeah. So for the final eight doesn't get any better than the game. This. This is what it's all about friends. Yeah. Hello, friends, my friend twenty here. More Linda Cohn do internet. Joke. Linda for you. And I've been saying this for years. Finally, I got somebody on my side telling you, it's just so predictable. I don't like it. I just wanted to get out there and up there. Give me something offense. The masters. Yeah. Can we do it? What are we talking about the Mesler? What are we talking about the Mesler? Let's talk about the masters. No about the master lets. You gotta do the oh you mean. This. Yes, master tradition. Unlike any other the master. Yeah. Don't bore your listeners. But I've never been a gymnasts fan ever. Tony romo's made him better though on football. Yeah. You know, what's weird? Jim Nance took over for Brent Musburger on an April Fool's day. Oh, and it was by the way in the middle of your you, by the way, April Fool's day. And you're bringing all of a sudden like on April, the first the news broke them Brent Musburger was out in gymnasts who is in Jim Nance called the championship game. Instead of Brent Musburger his contract ran out right between the final four and the championship game and Nance took over. Wow. And I when I first read it, I remember this really I thought, oh, they're just pranking Brent Musburger still going to do the game. Yeah. And sure enough. There was a man who is Jim. Yeah. He's never looked back. No never looked back. He's been self serious ever since. Who's your guy of all those big name guys? Buck Nance like who's your guy? I don't like book. You don't get. Book. Everybody said press with himself, and he takes it away from the game book act, and if it's an act, I don't like a phony Baucus become so much more self deprecating. Yeah. Outside of the broadcasts. He wrote he wrote that book about himself outside of the broadcast, but went into the mature people watching it, but he brought Kevin during the broadcast mellowed up some. I mean, how Michael still really really great is really solid. Al hasn't lost a step. I like our son who's our Sunday guy. He's so good. You don't know know who's on Monday or Monday guy. Joe Tessa torque Joe tests doors. Yeah. I do they had pull them real in back in do you? Remember what? And everyone was screaming on the telecast. Yeah. Saying nicknames? And they it's just I think Joe's I love. Joe clay rehabbing back in. I did because it was everything was a little too. So. Anyone to watch hockey back in the day with Gary I love Gary. But everything was like, oh, my doc Emrick like that. Like the coin thing in the war. Wait, a minute doc is the nicest man on the nice. Cliver? None of us said Mike Breen. I love. My green is excellent. And you know, what he's not Leon is not the everything is Gladys thing. He's like super in the moment. I Mike bet. And just and we get the same Disney. Right. Well, you didn't say about other people who are in the Disney umbrellas Mike is the best because he lets the players play. The teams play never makes it about analyst shine. Yeah. He does. Excellent. Excellent who wants him? Right. That's the closest thing to back. You know back in the seventies. As Almaguer Billy Packer and Marv album, mar Mike guy. Valmont still marv's. Great. Okay. The best. Marv Albert save you ever been to Golden State into a game with Steve Kerr. No, no Steve Kerr, obviously worked for TNT. And I I'm gonna during the break. I'm gonna look this up. Okay. Because there's a photo. There's there's like stuff in Steve Kerr's coaching office that are his favorite marvins, really his favorite is. Great. Yeah. And I I love Marv because he is human he's human. He's like he's not afraid to be a caricature of himself, which he laughs at himself deprecating for sure, I look I think of Marv and I love Breen, right? I breathe great. But Marv was the soundtrack to my youth watching basketball. You know what I mean? Whereas like Breen like, he's amazing. But I think there's a like, you know, I think of the original the NBA really surging. I think Marv being attached to it. Absolutely, correct. To all time. Great. I just pulled up an article o- gymnasts were. Remembers the night Brent Musburger was fired at the final four. Wow. Crazy. I didn't realize he was fired. If you had to rank them like you do your co host rankings Mace like all those big name guys all those big named guys. Who are you going with Ivy league that should be taxing now? But that he's not around that somebody who's working still. Okay. I'll tell you who I really think is is ri-. I love for NAMA baseball guy. I love manifest gorge you like. I think John Sean the best guy doing based onscreen. I learned from him. I did the Olympics was shopping in Sydney. Yeah. Great, dude, right fun. What do you have against doc Emrick? I have nothing against chemical always remembers my hockey career when his ranger's pre-game. He'd always bring it up. He'd be a guest I love dog. And I just think he doesn't have to talk down to his viewers. Sometimes he has to assume that anyone who is turning on a hockey game during the regular season. No certain rules. Okay. That's my only a pet peeve. Is that is that hard? Is that something that I mean, no? Hockey's like baseball it's regional. Okay. So, you know, so the people that are tuning into a national broadcast on January matinee between the Rangers. And flyers are gonna know, you know, that you can't be in the crease, you know, whatever rule it is. And he talks down. And I don't think he has to he's better than that saying that he makes it he dumps it down for people who might be ching hockey for the first time casual types and look by the way K during let's say, the Stanley invite people in your sport. And that's probably the argument by found the Marvin I found the Marv store. Okay. Go for okay. So Steve Kerr has a board in his office at the marvelous. Marv adjective meter. Okay. Awesome. These are the adjectives hot as hell. Blistering scorching tropical, humid, balmy, unseasonably warm, rain-soaked snowy frigid bone chilling. And the other one is like something. I can't say, okay. So those are all Marv adjutant with a related were usually in the open. That's where he'll do that. Right. We're in a balmy Miami. Seasonably warm. Yes, we're in frigid, Minneapolis. You're you're doing. You're just coming out coming down at the target center is pretty good not bad. For more Tory next ESPN LA. All right, ESPN, LA Mason Ireland. It is purgatory time. Otherwise known as the Jim Nance fan club, Linda cones here Momo's here Georgia's here George excited to start a new week. Do you believe in happy Monday, George I actually like Monday. I'm usually most rested on Mondays you believe that people should say happy Monday. I don't believe in that nonsense. I don't buy into that. Most people aren't happy that it's Monday. I don't know about you. But when I was a kid growing up I used to I love football, Sundays obvious. But I hated when I was a kid and the sixty minutes commercial would come on and the clock ticking. 'cause I was like, oh, no Sunday's going to be over going to go to school. I hated hated on actually. On schedule as a kid. I hated sixty minutes because of their stupid commercial reminded me I had to go to school the next make sense and kids never watch sixty minutes. Right. That's definitely not a big tune in for was always running late. If you know was except on the west coast backing lost right? Would always on the back east. It'd come on about seven thirty or something. Yeah. In late or whatever. And it's a whole different world being out here back east. It's like Monday night football. I never saw the end of the I did. Why did date up when I was allowed to stay up. When the Rams played other than that. I was never allowed to stay up to my dad was cool with me as long as he's like he says if you want to watch the game with me, we can't gotta get up for school. You goes on yours game Sudan at midnight abso yeah, they would start at nine Pardo's back. Then it wasn't like we complain about starting at eight thirty right on the east coast. Now, people complain about that they started to nine. Yeah. As crazy. All right. So George, what did you think of the dodgers this weekend? Man. They're like a softball. Arts are awesome slow pitch softball. Yeah. Faster south away. Right. Trust softball. Snot what baseball needs. I love the high me offense gave me often action. I wish I could watch them every day. I got direct TV I casually. Greg read can give you Greg. You know, a ton of cheat. He can give you some leak on Reddit little some some. Yeah, streaming. Yeah. But you're on Sharon, honest guy. I like that the when I'm in Canada, though, there's no option when you wanna watch like I've done Toronto. Raptors games. I want to watch anything six. I gotta go six. You gotta go read it is that the only way. Well, if you wanna watch like American television. Yeah. ESPN? Oh, wow. I was like sick one night. I got like Chauncey Billips came got everybody thick. And so I stayed home because I didn't have to be on TV that night. Right. And I'll just watch the dunk contest in the hotel room. No couldn't want it. Nope. In Toronto could not watch as a hockey girl. I love it because the entire tease on their sore to center that story hockey and the way the raptors and Blue Jays might play and curling curling Erling is big curly into the curl. I always heard when from the Olympics that the thing that gets huge ratings senior citizens is curling. They really love it does a gigantic number in the daytime it is it's like shuffleboard exact people senses. They love it moves slow. You can't find a sport that lower curling. So the if you're losing your eyesight a little bit. It's easier to follow baby gates, very iron or iron. What do they call that the big four those nets Shuffler, the the I don't know there's. There's one that looks like a big rush stole the stone. Plus seniors love sweeping the stoppers. Whatever sweepers never understood sweeping ice to make it a clear path. I just don't understand the more. You sweep. Yes. The clear the path and member you're thrown the stone, really really slowly. Yes. And so by clearing the path. You're letting it go further the path bright crumbs. I mean, what what are you clear now, it's like it's like slippery ice or like, not so slippery ice. And right. It's an all I have you ever played botchy ball, guess this. But there's some bumps in the road there in your backyard. Yeah. I know, but you have to account for it. It's like putting okay sorta like putting all right. So maybe little cracks on the ice. I don't know. I'm trying to make it work by nice try though, I had a gallon there. How about this AJ Pollock though about this AJ telling me last night the yesterday, the two run double? And you know, what I loved about that bat was that. He he beat the shift. Yeah. He basically just Skuld the ball down the right field line down the first baseline for the double that actually tied up the game and the max Muncie, good pieces situational hitting. That's the one thing about this dodger team from the opening weekend. Is you can see that with two strikes. They're shortening up. They're going back to good situational hitting. And I know that's like a really sexy sports talk radio topic. But I wanted to throw things at the television last year, I was like either really pregnant or just had a baby. And I watched a lot of dodger games. So there would be. So my extra inning games where they just could not move the runners they'd get somebody on first. And then three guys in a row, we try to hit a home run and strike out. Go into thirteen innings. I'm like come on. I'm going to have this baby before the right? It was brutal last year because they stop and in the World Series. You saw them get hit by this. Where this Red Sox actually went back to playing baseball where you move runners. And you have situational hitting you don't just try to hit home runs. All it was a great. But it doesn't win over the long haul. And when you get down to it. You're just gonna play. I mean, it didn't work. I mean, the Astros did that the Red Sox basically do that like they act? They did that. And they have no the Red Sox had really good situational hitting. You can't live on just the homerun. What do you mean? I mean statistically that's not true and the regular season you can mystically best the house not true behind behind the rockets shooting a bunch of threes threes bigger than to if you take live the majors in home runs last year. Dodgers, no, no yankee's. Right. Yeah. What happened to them happened to them? Right. But it's also about it's about hitting home runs and pitching. That's the combination of the two and the Yankees had terrible pitching particularly in their starting rotation. Yeah. But look at look at the roots bruise, really good situational hitting team you I'm telling you finish meeting as part of the game. I don't buy it as much you don't buy this. I I think when that stuff gets Agnes strikes who still think went from your heels, I think that stuff gets magnified in the postseason because we isolate individual moments, but when you look at the grand scheme of it, all I do believe that that the theory that analytics people put out there works. Okay. But last which is big let's take home runs per se and slugging percentage can on-base percentage, you know, OB yesterday. Yeah. Eighth-inning when the dodgers are trying to rally the important at bat was Cody Bellinger who went eight pitches. Deep chopped one on the infield for an infield single data loud. AJ Pollock to drive in the two. But the the taking the eight pitches is more important than anything there. Yeah. The great Yankee teams of the past of a recent most recent past whatever they were that was the winning the way they want not the homerun when they started in home runs, and that little Bandbox that they really didn't win anything. But it was when they waited on pitches showed patience at the plate. That's the key in the postseason. You can't hold the home runs you want during the regular season. It doesn't matter. It is a different game in the postseason just like in every major professional sports. So the analytics guys who do all this would would tell us that we're all wrong, right which side with George which home rates, the same concept that, you know, Barkley always used to rail against this with the warriors. But then the warriors were much more than just a really good three point shooting. Just the idea is that in the playoffs. You seems will defend the three pointer better. And you can't just win on that alone. I think that's exactly what happens in baseball too that you can probably just win on hitting a lot of home runs in the regular season. But in the playoffs teams you have to have more than that. Because you can shut that down by pitching changes by ski. By just familiarity with your with your opponent 'cause he plays series game in a game out. Just doesn't all all. I know is you have to have more than that. Now. I don't have all the facts of back that up. Right. The analytics guys would probably shout me down on that. But the Red Sox in that World Series played fundamental strong baseball the Red Sox the Astros and the cubs the three last World Series champions Red Sox and Astros finished. I know PS which I said it's about on base and slugging right? And the cubs finished third. Like that is the model. You know, what I mean, which means you gotta have it's not about grinding it out stealing bases and doing things of that of that nature. Okay. But here's the thing. So they have a talking about the analytics guy, they've got a dodgers hitting strategists name Brant Brown. Not just hitting coach known strating straddle towel that changes things. Yeah. He says. Glassed here. The dodgers if with a runner on second base. No team was less likely to get a hit their dodgers with with a runner on second. No team in major league baseball was less likely to get a hit than the dodgers. And they they still got to the World Series. But there is an emphasis right now on situational hitting with that team. But now with a hitting strategist, David Hale, maybe. Strategy. Maybe the strategy hitting is hard enough without some strategists taking you to another. I don't know. I think the strategy is working because I saw them with better situational hitting this week and not swinging from their heels with two strikes shorten up. Okay. We can argue it some other time. Yeah. Let's go. Wow. And by Kirk Morrison is in studio good I love a means going to stop by Albert breer of the Monday morning quarterback. Marc spears wrote an unbelievable piece about nipsy house and in the NBA community. Yeah, we talked about that a little earlier I Sodano shows neck, Linda, thank you very much for being here. 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The Orange and Black Insider Bengals podcast: Pay Day

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The Orange and Black Insider Bengals podcast: Pay Day

"The Michelle Obama podcast is out now on spotify. The series brings listeners inside the former first lady's most candid and personal conversations showing us what's possible when we allow ourselves to be vulnerable to open up in to focus on what matters most joining the former first lady is an array of special guests including President Barack Obama Marianne and Craig Robinson Conan O'Brien Valerie Jarrett Michelle Norris and Dr Sharon Malone episodes focus on the relationships that shape us from siblings and close friends to partners, parents, and mentors to our relationship with ourselves and our health listen free at spotify dot com slash the Michelle Obama podcast. Twenty Twenty Cincinnati bengals training camp is underway and we've got you covered here on the orange and black insider bangles podcast part of espy nations since he jungle podcast channel Anthony Costanza joined by John Barren John we have received our first looks in a way from afar of Joe Borough throwing Aj Green throwing to some of his new teammates a new look Cincinnati bengals team on the field. I'm excited. I know the fans are excited. I'm sure you are as well buddy how you doing. It's been so long like the past six months between borough finishing his career to this point with everything that happened it just I I know that I, guess it's been delayed about a week in terms of when we would normally see them out there but it it feels like such so much longer than actually has been with everything happened. So it's it. It's now here. Now it's kind of coming out as full force I. Guess we're GonNa try to handle his best the weekend. We are. We've got some news to get to. We're not going to rehash some news that if you joined US Monday or listened to after the fact on Monday I took the airways and Kinda ran through both bengals news and NFL news. We're not going to rehash a ton of that stuff. We're going to talk specifically about one position group news around that analyzed that talks some Joe Mixing in some comments and possible contract extension stuff that has been going on and some cryptic tweets on his end that he's been throwing out there and John, and I we also. Tie I guess our sound bite of the week with that and it's actually one of our own. So we'll get to that in just a little bit. We're going to have a fun little game a little word, association game just name off some people and players and coaches and all that kind of stuff for the Cincinnati bengals and See where that goes. We haven't. We haven't pre scripted that we are just GONNA say. Some names and we're going to see where that takes us in play a play psychologist I guess for for a couple of minutes and go from there. Then of course, we'll wrap things up with our potential bengals breakout players of the week so far we've already unveiled that for a couple of weeks. So catch up on some past episodes on some of the other names that we have put out on that list for you. Before, we get to some news as we always do to start the program, I do want to remind folks to get this program subscribed. There should be a subscribe button right under John There if you're joining us on, Youtube so subscribe to our Youtube Channel. If you haven't already that way you get notified when we go live when new material is available whether it's from John I or whether it's for Matt, Monaco does the Chalk. Talk episodes and he's been doing some great breakdowns of positional positional groups and forthcoming the coaches actually. so He's been doing a lot of work there John and I are bringing. Yeah. At least two if not three episodes per week by the way, we'll be doing listener questions, this Friday. So please try and join us for that and submit yours to us. So we'll become at your Friday afternoon with that we usually do. And get the other shows that are on the obviously since jungle audio slate of podcasts orange is the new black from Ason Zim, and as I mentioned chalk talk, we have been having DNA sports They may have a little announcement for folks to so A. Keep it keep it to Dean Dean H or it's as well. They may have some exciting news going forward but we appreciate the support of this show and the channel as a whole thanks for tuning in live or downloading after the fact. Well let's get that out of the way John Let's talk about some news the Bengals have made some. AQUISITIONS and release players players have opted out of the season. Is Ahah Prince Josh to both have I opted out of the season. Last time we took the Air John. We kind of talked about that a little bit and we I kind of said. You know I expect at least a couple of bengals due to be on that how high profile they were. We don't know to It is a bit of a loss and that's kind of where we're going to focus on. Most of the news today just to get you caught up though the bengals did in Brandon Allen earlier this week as a as a veteran backup quarterback as well as Tristen Bizkaia no a backup kicker to to maybe bring a little competition to randy. Bullock. I mentioned to Tubo imprint of opted out of the season and you know the bengals are kind of tweaking some different things on the roster but. Also, we talk about. Ryan Glasgow a guy who has been released because he failed his physical you've got Renault ran now on the NFL list as well as your sue fellow, the loan free Agent Offensive Lineman acquisition. So let's focus though on defensive tackle John and I I know you're gonNa tell us it just admitted about some Luana remote comments at he recently said, but this is a really tough. Tough road for the Bengals to endure right now because Josh Suppo. Ran On the NFL s by the way Richard Skinner said pro you know via Zach Taylor probably not that serious but still not out there right now and you know you've got Glasgow out of the lineup this the bengals really made an effort to bolster that defensive line bring a rotation of front and now defensive tackle is really decimated from a lot of different lot for a lot of different reasons. Like I know to pose the most known player on the roster. But technically, I think you consider him now as a starter in the air quotes is as a guy who would have been on the field I think now you have a bengals defense were your base defense has three defensive tackles and you have to. play the no stack Woohoo could've played the five technique of this that was very effective in last year, especially towards the later part last year. So to pose is the main loss obviously in sucks Friday at Prince because. The a possibility that he could have made some noise with so much uncertainty as the offensive line but yeah, with rangelands go now now gone I don't know where he's going to end up to pose looking for twenty twenty one you have Gino Atkins DJ reader Ronald, Reagan Age Brown, and then a couple of undrafted guys in Tyler Clark Trade. Sean. You need at least four guys they're on. The week one roster he can feel comfortable dressing have activated because yeah. You you still need to play at least three them for twenty percent of your place in than I think in a remote commented today in his first press conference. He said some very interesting where he said you know the their sub packages. Now it's not linebackers since two defensive tackles which basically signals that. Defenses, a whole is is just has to linebackers two off all linebackers. Now, there's no more. Three linebacker sets as a predominant sub package or scheme for this defense, right? It's just two linebackers than you other have five defense lineman or four defensive linemen when you have been slamming, that is your to your typical nickel or your your normal sub package when you're facing passing downs but you need three defense tackle now for the scheme that they're trying to run and they're discreetly long guys right now like now on the nonfatal injury list to out, sue you would like for your Brown the kind step up and be that three technique that he should have been from day one stop. Messing around with him on on the edge and whatnot anything. Okay. ARE THEY GONNA add another body there? They're gonNA. They're gonNA utilize the fact that they have Kendall full troll who still on the COVID reserve lists technically, they have seventy nine guys on the actor or the use that spot to bring in defense tackling article names I can do that. But how are they gonNA address this? Are they going to prioritize giving that knows three techniques commissioning see which named they bring the definitely need at least one more name in order to have enough depth to run the scheme that they want to run. Do any of the names you may have heard floating around as potential options for the bengals interest you. To me. There's D'Amato Pico whose name has been floating around. Apparently there is mutual interest there or at least some interest on PECO's end to return to Cincinnati he was with Baltimore last year was with Denver prior to that, and then obviously spent eleven seasons with Cincinnati is entering what would be his fifteenth season I believe John So apparently he's in good shape and if you know if if you know about PECO's career, he's actually been a picture of pretty solid health throughout that's why he's been able to play fifteen seasons. He knows the AFC north So, there are a lot of things that are appealing on that but I also think is fans you kind of tend to Romanticize a player like that a guy who lasted Cincinnati for a while had a solid career with the team. There were some ups and downs, but overall a solid career especially for a fourth round pick. So I mean. That's one of the names out there pj hall a former second round pick a more undersized defensive tackle meetings about six one, six to three hundred pounds or so a former second round pick in two thousand eighteen by the raiders already cut by them who by the way also cut Jeremy Hill after. Having him like an hour and there are some other names there too. I mean is this is are any of those names interesting you do you wanna wait till rand gets healthy because it doesn't sound like it's very serious and go from there. Maybe like you said, rely on he and Brown. So I think it. It's fine to still have expectations for Renault render jump into a big role I think ideally, you would want him to. Essentially replaced what just to would have been for this team? This year is a guy who can man multiple spots along this front can provide just to stop prisons against the run. That's all fine and Dandy but you still probably need another body there i. think that's why there's interest in grabbing one of these names market with PETCO. Honestly like the last handful of years he was with the Bengals he was pretty much liability on what? was a very good defense. You know it was it was definitely the time for him to go when when they parted ways him after the twenty fifteen or twenty, six in season the drafted injured billions essentially his replacement PETCO and Disney of the first star Sonata couple of good years left in proved by going to Denver, becoming more of a true three, four, zero tech nose tackle in that. Scheme he had probably two years of his entire career with the Denver broncos staple consistency and as you mentioned health with the Bengals has never really done much of an average player at the position. He had a couple of highs specifically early in his career with the bengals but he saw a legitimate career resurgence with with the Broncos, the only problem was he was already in his early thirty. So. The, the lifespan of his career is is already limited at this point I think with the Baltimore Ravens Games last year and you had a pretty high of shortened season for him as well. So I know petco is obviously known this fan base that I guess there's mutual interest both sides, but he is by his not the only one. They should consider a guy that hasn't really been. Talked about his Mike, Daniels use to play for the packers fused ago. I think he played for the lions a last year maybe another year before I think it's only thirty two years old and I know that a Heen Gino at least instagram commenting on shows I there's some type of relationship with that but Dale's can provide a presence at the three ticking spot, but also this pointing his. ATHLETICISM explosion. So you might just need more suited team journeys other name that the brought up use a former Baltimore Raven you went with the Eagles and I think he's still a free agent now with Peter Hall he was interesting as well like he was a guy that I think most people pegged as a high upside day three pig and also the raiders took him in the second round and it was like, okay. I guess is GonNa have a prominent role with them when he was highly productive, highly athletic coming out of College Sam. HOUSTON. stater some small school in Texas, unfortunately, the Vikings started trade for him. Then he failed a physical, which is why at train everyone through so it's a question of if he's even healthy right now to be signed by team. But if he is I, think he's extremely low risk high reward signing the Bengals for a team that needs snaps at this and so there are options that I know of people saying. that. Defensive. Tackles who are available have leveraged because I, think, at least ten of the fifty something players have opted out of the season have been defensive tackles than I think half of them have been just just been trench players often slimane defense lineman in general. So there's definitely a competition on the market for those players right now and I think Petco makes sense in that sense, but he's far from the only viable option you might not be the best for they need. All your comments on hall are. Spot on and really that's a guy that fits. At least until this, until this last regency period, it's a guy who would have normally fit the bengals kind of waiver wire free agency Type pick-up former high pick disappointed. Got Let go of his former team could be had on a on a cheap deal maybe he finds lightning in a bottle with the bengals for a year to as he tries to. Regain his reputation and maybe that's maybe that's where that move makes sense I I like. There's another comment in here I. Think it was maybe Brian Kramer said Hall loved his Couch in Pizza Hut too much how social distancing. was I didn't read too closely into why hall is currently unemployed but maybe that maybe there is a conditioning issue there is along with the injury stuff but. You know that to me that is where it makes a lot of sense in terms of. Youth Maybe, reaching a potential, getting a manageable deal by the bengals that that makes a Lotta Sense I. think you know like I said the fans WanNa romanticize a reunion with Pico I don't know how effective that would be at this point but who who knows. The point is and we'll move on here in just a second but. Are you a little worried now because now the bengals invested so much They they brought back to the have DJ reader they were looking a lot better upfront after being gashed all last year especially in the run game and just not doing you know not doing really anything of Note on defense and that's not all in the defensive line but they really bolstered that fronts seven eight players to really assist in tackling. I. Think a huge art of it is to bottle up the Ravens attack, but? They did a lot of front to remedy the issues in Helu Room. Oh and now you know they've got two or three guys in the teeth of the defense that they wanted to rotate in. That are not going to be available. How worried are you? Allowed tremendously worried because the in the grand scheme of things that leave the depth of your defensive tackles is not to pertinent to get all worked up about things in general especially when you're starters Atkins DJ reader. But yeah, the the intrigue of rotating this Guy's name more that was that's a luxury that they could afford when they had the bodies now that they still have bodies, it's just not as many as as they originally intended to I. Think if you just replace Ryan Glasgow Angie Brown on. Your game, plan it in your scheme you replace for no rain which Tubo you got another player in their whoever whoever's on the market that fits what you WanNa. Do if you have five guys going into this version of training camp and have them play these Inter Intra Squad scrimmage is that will act as preseason games. You'll be you'll be comfortable in finding four or five guys since you feel will make an impact on the week on roster, and then again, you still have those undrafted free agent sue I think we're the most most well-known I guess guys got the best chance of being drafted. For for the ten undrafted free agents said they ended up signed. So I'm not worried too much especially because apparently rents injuries not too serious guys who start camp on the NFL It's basically giving them more time to Rehab whatever they were dealing with, but it's not so much. Of An issue where you have to worry about it's going to linger into the regular season. I believe he ended last year and I are and rehabbing we had him on. Her interview with Dini sports was looking good and he was talking about the work that he's been doing doffs and so I think he's healthy enough where it's not gonna be a problem going into the regular season or even this portion training camp. So I'm fine with the gas they have I would like on Dab one more whoever the guy is I don't think it's gonNA matter too much. But yeah, the loss of tobacco it's things a little bit but they'll recover fine. The other element we I feel like we say this every week but the other element to this if the Bengals don't get a journey again a pico. You know I I saw Damon Harrison is a name out there Mike Daniels. You mentioned him if the Bengals don't go after one of those guys right now. It's possible that they wait. They see who ends up getting, cut down the road and make a waiver wire acquisition or agency acquisition later on shortly before the season that is definitely still an option for them but. Aside from the Brand Allen Tristen in Vizcaino and some other Off of the roster for for some players, we want to really focus in on the defensive tackle because that's where a lot of the attrition has has seemingly hit in recent days. So you look like you've got. Something else. John I saw Anthony Beasley in the comments section mention the name I haven't heard allowed to Sean Williams we asked to play for the Bengals Sabella a half years ago I'd I that's how we've talked about so many times on the show I feel like that's how dire the situation was behind. Geno Atkins were we saw guy in the Sean Williams who went to Clemson he went to a big program we played with some formidable guys they're like him. Being undrafted guy showing promising student like I'm all in on this guy being a compliment to Gino Atkinson that's how dire the situation was of how badly they kept missing on the for instance, tackles to fill in the exact role of they're still trying to find a guy that can supplement at that position. I don't even know if he's still playing football on the last time he adds played football but the name kind of brings. Back Memories Yeah side, Note. I have to pat myself on the back about Sean Williams as well as good friend of this show cody to me he and I went to the NFL PA handful of years ago, and we're kind of watching players at practice and stuff, and we had that guy to Sean Williams we we had the rosters of everybody and we're like we gotta to keep an eye on. This guy and we were down there on the sidelines watching him where like skylights goodman he looks he he really stood out in those practices and in that game as just a quality player and when the bengals picked him up, I was I was pretty excited never I mean. He was like a preseason hero made a couple of plays here and there in the regular season never. Really materialized into a truly effective regular season player for him but I fondly remember cody and I watching that guy going wow. This guy's is pretty solid from Clemson. You know when the Bengals got him we were pretty excited. So yeah you know at any rate I don't know that that's a viable option at this point either to your point about the bengals missing. On. Defensive tackle. You can look back a handful of years ago to the Devon Still Brandon Thompson draft One of those guys could or should still be on this roster and playing effectively for this team and both of those guys never really materialized. I think Devon still we understand why his NFL career was derailed but you know unfortunately, you know those guys never really materialized. Let's move onto a player that has materialized into equality draft pick for the Cincinnati, bengals and yet again. He has entered top headlines and a lot of twitter conversation based on his own tweets based on my co-host, talking about him with some various fans on twitter and just a lot of scuttle. But to use an old school term about Joe Mixing I did hear from he's in the live facebook chat Mike Holbrooke good friend of the show he told me and informed us live chats that he thinks he has heard that Joe makes his put on about twenty pounds of muscle. This year I don't I. I don't know how accurate that is but I mean I don't. I don't know how he could. He was already big enough bulky enough guy But in some pictures I've seen he looked still really built So it's quite possible. He is added on some book, but nevertheless, the talk this offseason John has been about. Joe Bureau getting an extension sure day shouldn't they? How much should it be? So before we get to kind of Art Tionna, sound bite of the week, just a minute. I I know you've kind of. Have a certain position that may or may not be popular among some fans with the team. But let's reassess where we're at with this thing the bengals are still trying to get a deal done within apparently. Mixing his open to returning to the bengals and reports have him at least wanting eight million dollars a year on average which puts him really in within the top ten of paid running backs in the league so that that's kind of where we sit right now we're GONNA get to Tobin's comments in a minute but knowing that I don't know if you want to preface that with some initial comments before we get to the sound bite that we have in in some of Duke Tobin's recent comments like he's he's GonNa get signed. It's an inevitability at this point it's too heavily speculated this too much talk monks Tobin in Taylor just the front office in general about. Going through the entire season negotiations have been happening throughout the off season and I think mix not really hiding it while like east basically since world it's happening. It's going the process right now the I don't think the issue necessarily is them valuing mixing with a certain number compared to what? where he is amongst other top running backs, I think the reason why this hasn't happened yet is because they wanna see finalized guys opting now to see where their caps situation is right now and then I guess the biggest thing is the situation next year because it is going to shrink to add the bare leg, it's got to be at least I. Think one hundred and seventy, five, million, which is twenty three, million smaller number lower than what it is this year, and that's just that's just like the baseline of what is going to be. So there are implications for next year next year's free. To See class in what their financial plan is for getting other guys extensions in you know giving them raises respectively. So there is that variable to account for I. Don't think it's a matter of if the bengals value of makes enough to give him a contract that does put him in the top aide top ten running back salaries I think that's essentially given to this point is just the those are the other factors that are just holding the steel for right now but I think in a week's time, we're probably going to Joe Mixing sign with the Bengals for the next four or five years. I believe that is the case as well. Especially, when the bengals didn't get a long term deal done with AJ Green, not to say that they won't in the future but I think the bengals just love getting these types of deals done to with their younger core players in the summer the summer before a season starts in the summer before their set to hit free agency, they liked to get that done and a lot of times when they get those deals done, you look back to some of the deals that the they did with Gene-o Atkins Carlos Dunlap. Even like Tyler Boyd. You look back at some of these deals and you say, Hey, you know that that was actually Kinda team friendly. They paid guy well, but it ended up based on the frenzy that occurs in free agency in March the bengals ended up of making these these pretty nice deals for themselves while keeping and paying some of their core players. Well I expect Nixon to be that I fully see some of the positions especially that you've taken John Reset. You know you just don't pay a running back like that even one who may be an out liar like a joe mixing but also said, you know if the bengals can keep him for under that double digit million per year if they can get him. For eight to nine, million, I think that's manageable and I do think that Joe Mixon is a top top five top ten back in this league and I think he provides a lot of value in I. think that there is a he is a player that a young quarterback at least in his first year or two, maybe lean on especially in a year with. Such a whack a rookie year where he's going to have such a wacky aussies in in terms of preparation and all of that I do think there is value there. Now once we get to ten million plus per year I, start to get uncomfortable and I think you brought up a very good reason about the salary cap reduction as a reason for that. I don't quite understand what the differences between like a in eleven million I guess I think for the most part it's almost like a non-starter because like someone someone told me today like if the bengals can signed mixed to average annual value of half a Christian McCaffrey McCaffrey is making sixteen million a year in terms of new money. If Joe make some theoretical science eight or nine. For half of Chris McCaffrey is absolutely worth it like even if it is a fraction of McCaffrey, it's still a lot of money good chunk of money for a player that plays a position that statistically does not help you win that very many football games. So I think it's regardless of what it's going to be. It's going to be manageable with their own salary cap. It's GonNa be it's not gonNA prevent them this year from doing anything on offense. I think there's another argument when it comes to coaches justifying those contracts by implementing that person into the game into the game plan more justify the salaries with like that. But no, this contract isn't going to necessarily prohibit the bengals from doing anything like the todd really contract prohibited the rams doing stuff is just every fan base does this. Every time a running back extended this time it's going to be different. You know we can talk about what makes Joe Mixing out liar all we want but every fan base does this every team does the themselves it never works for anybody else, but it might work for us and it won't be the Derrick Henry contract won't be lay on Bell David, Johnson Ezekiel Elliott, Christian McCaffrey or Todd Gurley. For Point, it's going to be somewhere pretty low lower than that. It's GonNa be more manageable for the salary cap. Regardless, what the price tag is though odds are it just won't be worth. Do you. So here's the question, and again we'll get to some soundbites and some quotes by Duke Tobin and just a just a second but. Would you would you say that? I kind of get the feeling and and this is actually kind of stance at it. Joe Mixon is either border line or is an elite player at one of the most devalued positions. In NFL football would you would you agree with that assessment or would you say yeah, he's pretty good. I think he's entering that upper echelon of running backs a of overall talent when you get to the actual value what helps you win I think. If the most valuable running back in the NFL right now Christian McCaffrey because he helps the panthers of the passing game even with the season that he just had the panthers ranked twenty eighth in total offense by Devi away like they were a bottoms on offense because asking was good like going back to two thousand, six, the Danillon Twenty, eight touchdowns the chargers have two thousand yards in total yards scrimmage PF. Their wins above replacement metric put him a point three, four above replacement, which is three times. The average wins above replacement for running back that place significant snaps but the average about the average window replacement for quarterbacks who won the MVP for the past fifteen years is about four wins about replacement it? It's like. The difference between Joe Mixon in the average running back is still pretty sizable, but it's all relative to that position compared to every other position on the NFL. especially the ones that help you win football games. So I I've never I've never contend with the fact that you'll mix news Italian bank I would firmly place him in the top ten running backs terms of overall talent overall ability. The fact is only twenty four athleticism paired with his size I think. I think there is something to be said about him being Ledin Locker Room I, understand all that okay and and we can rationalize although we want. But I I think the bengals are dead set on extending him because he's just player that they like they're not taking the fact it into account that the are how good that he is no matter how much he produces he just doesn't help them win very many football games compared to other more valuable. I. Didn't ask that question Analia to the wall I ask that question because quite honestly. That's something that I way with this situation, right? I. Mean where you go. Okay. Will you don't WanNa pay running backs but he's really good. and. Running backs for the statistics that you mentioned don't really help you win games but Joe, mixing also. Potentially. Help you in a weird way not lose games. There's a there's a statistic that Matt Ellison in the why facebook Chad do doesn't fumble though and there's a pro football folks get the last five hundred touches the Joe Mates in his ad he's never lost a fumble. Now we probably just curse the hell out of them right there. I mean there is value in that. So I mean it's it's. Sure. There absolutely is and I'm not sure. I'm sorry go. Ahead, go ahead. Yeah. Because like because now people are saying you know if you if you want to pay million, what would rather pay him like four to five million pretty fair I think I think that's fair for running back who's really talented that you can future in the run game in the past game and that doesn't It essentially it's it's opportunity cost man it I know that as Bengals fans people cover the Bengals, we look at them and say if they don't pay mixing them, who are they gonNA pay because they're not GONNA pay another starting guard they're not GonNa pay another star linebacker that money the might as well give it to mix, but that's not the approach that you. Have to take, you have to take you from an objective approach that you look for every other team. If we clown other teams repaying running backs, a lot of money that takes up a good portion of salary cap and use that money. So the pain for another more valuable player than we have to use that same logic for the bengals as well so i. Also like if when Joe Mixing gets paid I will be had before because he's done all the right things and he's managed to take advantage of market inefficiency in cassette himself up for life for potentially what is going to be the only big contract of his career think if you had to quantify it no matter how much the Bengals do pay him it will be more than what makes them. We'll be worth in terms of winning football games. Yeah, and and you know I think some people may listen to your four or five million a year Value in Staf a little bit. I don't disagree with you on that necessarily where I disagree is unfortunately that's not where the market's been set right? Exactly. So it just it's that's just not realistic figure for a guy like mixing based on. Let me let me do this here we're gonna I'M GONNA show you in. This is from Cincy jungled dot com some comments recently by Duke Tobin we're GONNA we're GonNa talk about this in a press conference a virtual press conference of course by do Tobin speaking with the media and this is via Joe Danamon of Fox nineteen in Cincinnati basically A. No matter what we're saying here John and no matter for those of you who are in the don't sign running back camp it doesn't seem to be part of the argument in the bengals minds do tobin on Joe makes contract talks versus the value of running back position. It's less about the value of the position and more about the person, the player and he's valuable to us. He's an important guy that we'd like to have here I mean that's pretty cut and dry right there. I'M GONNA play. There S. As well, I'M GONNA share this for those of you that maybe didn't see or hear this. It's actually it's audio, but we do have it up on her youtube channel as well as our audio channels back in January. I said it was the combine but I think it was actually the senior bowl that you in and Joe Good Berry formerly of the lockdown Bengals podcast. You had you both just it's pretty cool. You both had kind of a little intimate sit down with with Duke Tobin I think it was just youtube. There was another media members in there. So pretty cool opportunity that you've got to sit down with that in and for those who have not seen or heard this interview, we're gonNA play a portion of it Now this doesn't have to do with George John Asked this question and it was centered around the draft as much of the talk at that time because obviously Ratu scouting event but. If. These comments by. Duke Tobin seem surprising to you. In terms of wheat we value the player, not the position. I want to go back and this is kind of our sound by the week I want to go back and play just a minute or so of this interview that with John and Joe Good Berry had with Duke Tobin talking about the value of players and how they value players to prefaces John, do you remember the question that we're specifically referencing? It was about day one day to day three talent I. Don't know if you want preface kind of what we're talking about with the question you posed to him before we play, I think it was more about player grades and whatnot in like. Essentially putting like a like a around grade or something depending on how valuable that player is in terms of what position, any plays all that stuff like that Specific try to it was intended to be specific question, but he gave it really brought answer but actually gave me a lot more than I was I was hoping for. So this is a good answer. And it's it really again, kind of plays into this this comment here. So we're GONNA play this hopefully ads pop up there but we're gonNA play this year So bear with us. Prosecutor. Live, it's almost subjected from team the. For. Anything that that's the Hindi come. There's just a general better way of having prospects or you skilling it's just. What we read guy for sweep week. Great on the according to what they don on tape and how we feel about what the research is told. US numb. I started scouting there wasn't a day three. There wasn't even a day to it was. So, those are terms those are buzzwords. The those those terms don't really matter to us now he might be a fourth-round talent. Might be a fifth round talent. A might not have the ability to improve our position that we currently have, but he's second round talent, and so you have to understand your own team and then understand what you're getting in that guy that's walk in the door you get sick around talent. That's probably not GonNa Bill Star for your right away. Is that what we want sometimes it is sometimes, we know we're going to have either the year what the young guys coming off perceived value to. Determines where he was slide based on route, we slalom by their ability level only, and then we determine then we determine how our football team. So they'll be physician groups maybe were we feel like we're void where you can get. Single starters all the way down through the end of the dirt rounder fourth route. Now the tell you get fourth-rounder. You realize you're starting before through talent. But for us that guy's GonNa Start. For, teams, he might be the fifth or say you but you understand what you're getting in the talent. You know take a fourth-round talent drive up to the second round because he needed at that position, you understand why you're getting but but we put lines in on our board of where we feel the starters end for us. Football team. and. So we understand your. What we're getting when they got Watson, the door we're getting. So Jon. I mean. Again, this that was more of a DA- draft centric. Statement by Duke Tobin but I think the parallels I. Hope Our listeners and I think. It was well, maybe see the parallel that we're trying to draw here between his comments on Joe Mixon and his comments about draft prospects how they view them. It's it's how the player affects the roster. It's not so much the position it is the position in some ways but how the player and his talent affects the overall roster outlook in what they can give them today tomorrow a couple of years down the road. And I'll tell you what I'll say with a straight face like Joe Mixon this by far the most talented running back the bengals have more talented than running back to the draft next year outside of the first round he's the best option in terms of just putting the best player at that position. If that's the avenue what they WANNA look at us as value along with the other subjective intangible factors such as leadership such as personal growth such as locker presence. That is if that's the value that they wanna look at that's perfectly fine. But. Again, it goes back to looking at the reality of what the market is, what the what the actual objective statistical value of the position is in. You can't just flat up just be unconcerned just pushed to the side, which is essentially would tobin did in his press conference the other day we said we don't we're not concerned about the value of running back to this more concerned about the value of Joe Mixon self and I just think that's a ludicrous statement to make for a common like this for a decision that could greatly impact the the overall overarching. Picture of would your salaries salary cap is GonNa look like what's your roster? Is GonNa look like again like I throughout the four to five million dollar price range because I know that he would never take that. I know that he would have to look at at the open market for another answer. But that's just how this works. If you're forced to enter into feed into a market inefficiency for a player that doesn't really impact your team that much than your best option is to just not pay that player. If the only way that you can retain a player is the overpay him based off actually worth than the best option the most objectively. Option for you is just not paying, but that's not going to be what happens. The bengals are going to pay him looking paying for the next four to five years they're gonNA feature as their starting running back and everyone is going to be happy with that because Joe Mixon's is very popular player in the Locker Room in the fan base everyone's going to be happy. But in terms of what makes a smart decision do token his ignoring what the facts are telling him based off of other realities that he's not really putting into this equation. What aspect of this that puts me more in the sign him and give him a big contract type of camp and I waver I go back and forth but I you know I do see the value he brings to the team. But one of the things though is you know if you're if the team isn't spending that money. On keeping Kevin Zeitler. Keeping. Andrew Whitworth. Signing, high high priced free agent offensive linemen that are going to. Vastly Improve Your football team. If you're not gonNA spend that money there then I guess you spend it on the running back who has proven he can be effective behind a subpar offensive line because the bengals seem unwilling to. Make. A spe- they spend money on body heart but they won't spend money to potentially replace them without replacing with a high price guy they they did not spend money on anybody else besides Xavier a fellow in free agency they spent a six round pick on an offensive lineman this year your spent a first round pick last year but you saw what happened a few years ago they lost Whitworth they lost Hitler. Pay Him. The wind has never been the same. So if you're not gonNA pay those guys. To pave the way for a lot of backs to be successful, much less a joe mixing than I. Guess You gotTa Pay Joe Mixing in use that money to a guy that I guess is affected behind bad line. Like I feel like the did the exact thing with Zeiler they were never going to offer him what the market dictated that he was worth they recognize. Right. Like like. They had working eyeballs could have recognized that Kevin's other was really damned good guard in a guy that fits everything that that they look for in terms of retaining a player but they literally looked at the facility plays said, we don't value this position to be paid over ten million dollars a year they didn't even offer him any any type of deal that he would entertain. They basically said just go and test the market 'cause you're going to get a lot more if they're treating Joe mixing differently I don't know if they're just learning from that. The state that they made were regardless of just seems like inconsistency in their own philosophy like again like. The bengals do spend money. Now just had the most active free agency in the history of the team silent even know if that argument makes sense anymore either like the are going to spend money because if they want to spend money, they do spend the money but now they just want to spend on John Nixon so I I don't I don't think that argument even makes sense anymore. anyways. Well I think you and I both agree I think this deal's going to get done. I think both sides want to get it done. What it looks like is obviously going to remain to be seen how that affects a long term deal for guys like Aj Green. Maybe some others that they WANNA signed for a couple of years especially with the salary cap proposed dip next year we'll see what happens there but. I think as we sit here right now in early. August. We're we're expecting probably within the next couple of weeks that a deal will be announced for better for worse. But you know Joe. Mixing. In and a lot of ways even despite the position he has played, he has earned a new contract. He's been productive behind a offensive line coming into the the the NFL with character red flags he has been nothing but an alter boy since and I mean he's in a lot of ways he has proved it is just the argument stems from. Does it make sense from a bengals standpoint or does it not and that's that's where? That's where the data's. Go, get that money Jill you're running back may not ever see another contract that like this, go get that money. When you sign the dotted line, we'll be proud of you because you've done a lot of growth I. I was not a fan of the pick when it happened because of everything that surrounded him. But ever since then he's done at all the right things in the the only time he's going to get be able to get a deal like this get that money, get the bag be before you. Echo the sentiments totally this is the orange black insider angles podcast. 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When we prep, we prep some things before the show and So we at least don't look like we're just stumbling around not knowing what we're talking about. This wine was just kind of a fun little thing that we came up with and I. Don't know how this is going to go. We can make it real quick. We can make it long I don't know, but we're going to do a little word association game. I. Think we're going to start and we're just GONNA kind of be names back and forth in the thing is here. We're going to say the name of player or coach preferably current, and we're going to say a one word or a real brief phrase describing that player and then a little reasoning behind why you went with that phrase. So. Do you want to be put on the spot i John or do you want me to be put on the spot? I I always want to be blown spot I always we've got you've got Randall back back there so you've got a little you got a little back up I don't have that Let's let's go with. Yeah, he's going to be chattering in your ear there Let's go with. John Williams. Good. Solid I I'm I'm. I, feel like solids your word yes. Solid solid is the word because. I'm very like I. I'm not. I'm betting man. I. Guess. I don't really bet that much but I feel like I would be comfortable bedding something pretty substantial. In saying that Johnny Williams is going to be a good NFL player for the Cincinnati Bengals for forever for wherever he plays the majority of his career like. Career started the same way that a lot of trump is due for the bengals but. That was a pick that I wasn't entirely expecting I. Know They were GonNa go office tackle Beth I was going to be somebody different. But when they made that piggy was like a breath of fresh air because picked a guy that was very good. College has everything that translates into being a good NFL player at whatever position the lines on the offensive line. I I'm just so confident him developing becoming in continuing to be a very good player in the NFL or the whether that's a tackle or guard like. Incredibly. Confident. He's going to be at the very minimum assault of learn anything above that it will not surprise me. Agreed. I'm GONNA stick with the same group that I had built pricing mind for you. Billy Price Ooh. Let's get one. I hate to do this disappointment. Disappointment and I don't think he's GonNa Crack the starting lineup this year unless it's for spot duty. I was not a fan of the pick when they made it. I the the fact that he was injured in the draft at the time that they picked him, he had like a partially torn Peck I believe at the time The fact that I was all in on Frank Rag now that draft if you're GONNA get a center in first round, you gotta go get now and what drove me nuts and still kind of drives me nuts a little bit about this team is. They don't like to move up. They change your stripes a little bit in free agency this year but you saw them state in granted there were at the top of every round this this year. So didn't really matter, but they do not like to move up and get the guy that I think they truly covet quite often and they see teams leapfrog them because they know they're not gonNA move and they take the guy that they want, and that is precisely what happened I. Think the Bengals were all in on frank rag now and they got I think it was alliance that just Came right in and took him right the before and so the bengals panicked because they needed a center and billy price was there was kind of a riot wide range of opinions at the time I felt it was quite a reach and I think we've recorded an episode where I talked about that I was not very pleased with that pick I would have been pleased with him if he was the second or third around or maybe but not in the first round and he be because of injury ineffectiveness whatever he has not been able to get any kind of footing as a pro, and unfortunately I just don't see that happening especially with the logjam at guard this. Agree. Let's go with Von Bell. excited I'm so excited for Mondale like I feel with. That was kind of weird one but. I feel like with the free agency class the DJ. Redesign was really good I. Think I think the trailing signing will be okay compared to the money. I think Von Bells can be the most valuable player based off the money that they gave him. bruins be worth every penny I think. In terms of value. Plays defensive backs are the most diabled physician group on on defense. One of the most dial Houston's on the entire football field general what he adds to defense the that would it didn't have in years past I got. You can move around in the backfield who also play in the box you could play in the slot who can even play a pinch of cover to in deep role. A. Guy That brings leadership toughness tackling ability just solid. Made Him. Encourage building underneath routes does a lot of things that A. Lotta. The great sages the NFL. Now the derwin James is the The tyrant mathis the John's the guys who move all around like basically where the Hash marks on either side didn't really play a lot of single high coverage, but can blitz can play those? Short hugs zones matchup man, and can be a stack shed. RUN-DEFENDER BILL doesn't get the credit in the acclamation as other top safety. The NFL do because for the first part is crude. The saints was pretty up down. But when he was asked to do what he does best play close line of scrimmage best season with the saints that was the film that got me excited for the. Signing, I think that's why they wanted to bring him in because the cylinder have Jessie Bates playing deeply needs somebody more reliable than Sean. Williams for the show Williams gave him last year. I. Think. He's GonNa in and be a leader on the defense in be a guy that backs up the money that he got the talk that he that he brings and the ability to give you multiple. Abilities acids as a defensive player. He played multiple positions. I'm so excited for von Bill excited as well and. Like you said, I think they're gonNA Kinda don't hate to use the term pigeonhole, but they're going to they have a specific role in mind with him and I think he's going to be very effective in it and he's a guy that they have been. They have signed for a couple of years now and believe it was Lou Anna Room Oh who came out and recently had some very glowing remarks at what he's been doing for the team. It was one of the coaches I can't remember off hand but they already, they're very impressed with him. Throw on your way. We got him thinking I. Know I know this is supposed to be like an automatic like You know. I will use a brief phrase lost in the shuffle. I'm worried about he showed a lot last year catching radius height, all of that. You've got John Ross looking for something to prove. You're, GonNa have a J. Green on the field this year I for how many games I don't know. But I'm I don't think he'll be as snake bit this year by the injury bug is he's been the past couple of years. You've got Tyler Boyd out there. You've now have t higgins in the mix. Is Odd. Guy Is on Tate your sixth guy I mean, where where does he fit in and it's a good problem to have because he's depth he's huge and the wide receiver position is one of the most talented if not the most talented on the bengals roster right now. But I don't know how he gets on the field very often unless it's maybe goal line if it's third down in in specific packages but I, do think that if and when he is out there, he could be joe boroughs best friend based on his size and catching ability. I think that's fair because. You're right like we don't really know what the step chart looks like receivers we'll. if higgins has like a fast track to be one of the starters as the season goes on whether that means pages locked into this complementary role or if he's just a situation at this point, but I think for for the mouth high that he got I came into came into the League and I started playing compared to what he is. Now is just like your fourth or fifth guy who have emerged I think that fits more than what I think. A lot of fans have in mind for at as like they surprise started can handle like one hundred years I think we're is now works for him, but you're right that rule is to be yet to be determined that this. Yeah and Brian Kramer does odds in amazing shape Yeah. I have seen that he has been giving himself a really good shape so far but it's just a matter of you know how does he who gets the snaps who gets on the field I? Mean maybe there's injuries again in that paves the way for him but I mean, you look at who they have a top that depth chart it's tough to get to what will just do a few more here John let's go with a kind of sticking that same position group. Let's go with Alex Ericsson. Not. Enough. You know a probably sending them. That's one word meaning but really I think comes to mind my mind. Insufficient that's better He's clearly there just for the brandon taper besides just hauling Palmer turns in Ryan for ten yards like at a time I was more coffman him being a slot receiver for the bengals Tyler boy. This was the early part of twenty seventeen on Boyd had some issues were. The coaching staffer just personal ones and just wasn't really putting together in the second year Erickson was was keeping around his second year. He was starting to be more involved in the offense but ever since then like we've just seen what Alex Eric's. Unfortunately Limited player I. Think you talked to Jeff option bengals economy said if if He came into the league this year where the cut down from ninety, eighty, eighty players just like that. The Nixon probably wouldn't have made the roster initially like he was there as an emerge the guy that they gave out of the blue shots return upon in a preseason game any return for touchdown return for a long way and you got more opportunities than eventually kicked off restaurants. has been hanging around ever since and he got a two million dollar contract for undrafted free agent that's giant Goosen come with this point, you have such a stack receiving group with with Tay with Stanley Morgan with David. Willis the bottom half of the group like Eric this point it's doesn't provide enough value in the thing that would make him the most value as as a receiver in. As court like. I I don't think he's worth roster spot that they're they might give to if he's just there to be just a middling punt returner. That's really the only reason why he's sticking around while he might stick around because they just won't have a lot of in game opportunities to see anybody else take that role as puppeteer. So if you mix the roster is not gonNa make any worse, but it's just there's other options there that just giving more at the receiver spot. Berry, much of a logjam at that position group how many more you WanNa do here. John I think I started. So you you at least got one more for me otherwise you WANNA do. One more round beyond this one. I'll give you one more. I'll give you logan. Wilson Logan Wilson. Again all cheat a little bit set of one were all kind of use a small phrase all say. What's been missing? For we talked to by the way in case, don't check this out because. Gush a little bit I. Thought. This interview was awesome. We talked to Keough spikes last week, and that was a really fun interview John Talk to him got to speak with inflict twenty twenty minutes. For a long time ever since two spikes left we we references in the interview Marvin Lewis looked for the middle linebacker that. Tried to be the Lynch pin of his defense with with the Bengals that he had in Ray Lewis with Baltimore never really found a guy. He got a little bit from Malou he got one great year from Odell Thurman A couple of years. Von has perfect but nothing that was kind of the linchpin of their defense. Now, Logan Wilson does he's not really that to Keough, spikes guy he's not that talented that athletic and truth be told NFL teams are looking for different things out of their linebackers than what Takeo spikes brought a while ago but. I think that he at least for the past couple of years is going to stabilize the middle part of that field. The middle part of that defense in a way that nick vigil couldn't. you know all these other pickups, Preston Brown all of these guys could not I think Logan Wilson will at least provide steadiness. I. Don't know if they'll ever be a pro bowl player or anything like that. He's got a lot of skills and he's got some good tape. I don't know that he'll ever be a star player, but I think he will be at least a steady in solid one for Cincinnati bengals and I think it's been what they have been missing at that position group. I know he looks visual McNeil on tape but I just for some reason I just have more confidence in him into as an athlete in general as a processor. The Guy who can stack shed? Second Level blockers. run-defender has more better spatial awareness surrounding coverage I think the ball production speaks for itself. The experience in general you're looking at him being the guy that's going to take going to get the first opportunity get significance snaps from the three linebackers. From three Ricky linebackers that were distracted. And you know it wasn't. It wasn't the greatest. The sexiest big wasn't like a pig media while really when it happened. But yeah, I think. When you talk about what they didn't have that position. Would now you're checking with all one player is a guy who can be affected on all three downs. He could easily take Josh binds job in spot as the season where long because if he is what you think he is I think that's an asset that that every team would want as the second level defender not a guy who I mean he's still looks mold of traditional linebacker but has the fluidity in the speed of processing ability to handle whatever is in front of him, and that's something that they haven't had because their linebackers been completely trashed and that's why I think fans overvalue the position now relative to what? They've seen in years past, but it really just takes a Guy Wilson can draft in the middle of the draft to just give you something that you can just hold down for five or ten years be okay with. I feel like vigil was an athlete who played football whereas Logan Wilson is a football player who happens to be pretty athletic. If that makes sense I just I feel like there's a little bit more of the football IQ diagnosing of plays at his in the DNA of Logan Wilson whereas vigil Kinda was more relying on athleticism and more raw talent I, guess and it just it never really materialized in. I. Think for both parties vigil went off the Los Angeles chargers now in the Bengals and moved on to restock the linebacker. So that's a Word Association. We'll probably do a little bit more than that was fun that worked out a lot better night. I was I was worried about John. Actually the comments to Ya? Yeah. We'll do a little more this maybe maybe next time we'll add in some of these that you know some of these live. Suggestions of names maybe some of those in next time again, we didn't really prepare the specific names we kinda. Shot at each other. Impromptu but Yeah. Those funds let's let's quickly do. A one player each this week. Let's quickly do twenty twenty potential breakout players I guess. Although I, it's time since you went first for the. Improvisation segment last last segment there. I. Will Go with Darius Phillips again I want to preface this by saying I do this every week but. Breakout has varying degrees of definitions especially when it comes to the Cincinnati Bengals in what we're looking for in twenty twenty. Yeah. Could be someone who makes a pro bowl after not doing much year before it could be a guy like John Ross, who I think John Picked last week a guy who was at I excavations has not met them in maybe we'll do. So this year, it could be a guy who not expected to make the roster maybe has a niche role i. it just depends. Darius Phillips. Kind of his in that Auburn Tate Mold a little bit at cornerback. You know he's you're looking at a guy who was potentially your fourth cornerback after after starting a couple of games and making some big plays last year and being a valuable member of special teams. We don't know if Brian Wilson's going to be your primary kickoff returner of dairies. Phillips. Well, both were incredibly effective at the position last year on special teams. Dairies. Phillips has a knack to make big plays to get in the end zone and to get into the end zone as not. An offensive player he doesn't on special teams on Defense Brian Wilson would kind of have to in college by the way but. I just think Darius Phillips is one of those guys that'll come in especially where the League is. Now you need to be at least three corners deep four corners deep to be effective on defense. He will be that guy, he is incredibly athletic. He has a knack for making big plays. He'll probably frustrate you at times because he will get beat if you saw that game towards the end of the year when the Bengals beat the browns. He had I believe two interceptions in that game but he did get beat by Odell in the end zone and on another big catch in that same game. So you know he has a pension to beat a little bit but I think if you have them down in at number three number four corner where he's guarding. Someone a little bit more manageable and is still on the field I think you can use at. And big play ability to really help this defense and maybe make it be a little bit more like if you remember on the Oh five defense, very opportunistic they they had some trouble stopping players or stopping teams rather but they really turn the ball over. Well, they did get off the field on third down here and there, and maybe that's where this offense or this defense rather. Moves into after such a poor year last year. He's going to be important. One way or another whether it's early in the season. Later in the season, he's GonNa be called upon like. You just need as much depth the cornerback as possible. It's such an important position, and if you're starters go down, you need guys take supplementary reps and even even when you have your three starters still healthy Guy Gary's Phillips to. Come off the bench in dime packages either covering the slaughter covering the boundary depending on where you WanNa move the other guys around. He's going to be important and he's GonNa probably play more snaps this here the did last year and I think he was on track snaps last year had he not gone her pawn I are doesn't into return misspell eight to ten weeks. So like th they're they're gonNA want to utilize skill said they have two years left on his contract they understand that the ball skills exist everyone knows he's known for his ball skills that was thing since his days back in western Michigan when he was just touchdown machine essentially so they're going to get him involved. They're going to have to get involved probably because injuries just it's just it's just a theme with the. Bengals and he's going be import depth. So regardless, if he's not start right now as long as he stays healthy, he's going to be called upon in. He's to do his best to prove him worthy of this list I don't remember if we did drew sample as a breakout player I know we did Mitchell Wilcox will regain some. Talk about drew sample as well. So. You know whatever I think. I don't know I'm not here to stand drew sample and make him into something that he isn't. I think it. There is some value to him working out with Joe Borough in the off season potentially forming some type of relationship in chemistry as well because. God only knows that this this this channel in its listeners love thaddeus Moss have Related that message to me on countless occasions have a special episode of the Bengals over pick that guy out. Oh, my God. I have to resign at that point but. It's Bro. Does. The thaddeus Moss role I guess can't be doesn't have to be filled by someone who's has athleticism or feel stretching ability just has to be a guy that you have to rely on terms of getting into your spots in the timing whatever and if that happens to be drew sample than it's going to be drew sample and I think. He you know. They did this whole thing in terms of media propaganda. Last year really made him into like always looking like Rob Gronkowski not as he plays a season, he has like a handful of catches. One hundred snaps on. Of the season and the one thing that he was supposed to do well, walk he was terrible that he was just horrendous and made the wrong worse I. Think we're going to give him a lot of opportunities to better and to prove himself worthy of the draft pick that they spent on him last year it was questionable at that. But if there is a connection being formed with borough to fill that role that he liked so much else you think sample was the guy to watch out for because I think Musoma still starting at Titan, it's GonNa get those opportunities. I but again, like this is a new, this is a new regime. This is a new quarterback. This isn't an entirely new system in a sample happens to be the guy that this season goes on starts taking those snaps in those targets away from Zoema lease more expendable in props sample as a guy that they want to see improvement and want to see him develop a more integrated into the offense base off the investment that they've already put into. So I think for what sample is he can be that underneath guy for Joe Borough to kind of rely on and potentially. overachieved in terms of what the expectations are for him for me a fancy standpoint of just expert overall second year tight end expectations standpoint, and we don't know if that's GonNa be that involved in this offense or not but he's just guy that I think you know he's a better athlete than what he's probably advertise. He's not GonNa while you in terms of what George. George, kid can do but again, if there is a connection being formed there than in selling the watches as the season goes on and maybe only of gets phased out offense in favor of sample because. That's a guy that was drafted by this regime in guy that potentially is forming chemistry with the quarterback. I think the reason why you may may not remember. Drew. Sample being on this list is because I think I maybe talked about him early early on, but I'm glad you brought if that is the case we have to go back and look we should probably have these long but. We we don't usually repeat ourselves regardless. It's it's good that you brought him back up. If it was indeed a second time because of the recent social media posts coming out with Joe Borough drew sample in all of those guys working out whether it's with weights, rowing routes, all that kind of stuff and that is a big thing and I've I've said that I think drew sample is a big key to the bengals early success in this this season and next season I think because much like maybe leaning on Joe Mixing. Helps a rookie quarterback I think your point. About borough liking that position at Lsu in Thaddeus Moss and when we talked to Ken Anderson, he talked about his young quarterback. He liked the tight ends that can move the chains and do things across the middle of the field. I think that that's going to be a big key for for burroughs development and I think the drew sample of healthy. In maybe now, the Tyler for its out of the picture, they don't need to feed the ball tile right for they can come up with a specific set of schemes for drew sample that really helps us offense. If he's healthy, I don't expect them to be again like I said about some other players I don't expect to be all world. All pro. He's a very well rounded player when he's healthy and used correctly. Again that might be all that the need him to be like I don't want them to try to make him into something that he isn't for the sake of pre validating that pick. But if he does again become an integral part of the offense because of the connection that informs then so be that's just how this will have to evolve and grow at as they go because the lack of offseason, the lack of as and all that stuff it's it's going to adjust a lot of things it's going to make the roster gets more predictable than in normal years because they're just not some of these younger guys. In lower level guys who had them any opportunity so yet to that sample had a a role carved out for him as the off season began and with things not really changing the status quo in really being altering by anything that happened in the off season than that role is going to be in place for this season begins just up to him the wrong with that in and see where it goes and it may not go anywhere. Any still have two more years to kind of prove his worth your but if it does than in great. Effort. So those are two potential bengals breakout players for this week area Phillips and drew sample. We've gone back and forth little bit about doing to each in one each depending on time gone little long today. So we're keeping it to one each, but we're GONNA continue this list as we go on through training camp and. A, into the regular season. Let's get out of here John what he got forest before we. Drop the MIC and get out here. He would you have for us. Yeah. If the Bengals do sign that defensive tackle that played for them for over a decade, we're GONNA need some help from the comments section to tell is pronounced Pico repack feel like on this podcast, we have two different pronunciations that name well, we have a lot of. People who are very. Adamant, about pronunciation of certain names, they don't like always say out and sometimes there's there's a lot of different different people who really monitor that stuff. So if someone could get a definitive thing or we can get that guy on this show to set the record straight I was a little worried about to keough. Was it Tequila was Takeo when he? You keough it's Tequila but I was like. You know but yeah I don't. I always said Pico but maybe that's alright. Go though. I I saw him kid eleven as long as the restaurant Cincinnati and I yelled out Petco at just like gave me like a software wave whatever. So i-i responded to that. So I if you respond to eleven year okay would definitely spot us our get a lot of Pecos in the in the live jet. So I guess it's pronounce it but We will never grow up brandon. Vega, never I know I'm I'm super imager. Thanks everybody for tuning in I don't really have too much except for to ask you to listen to of these great interviews at not only our show has had DNA sports orange is the new black chalk talk listen to some of these. If you know, maybe the full podcast is in your thing, we've had a lot of different interviews with a lot of current and former bangle players across the cincy jungle podcast channel recently, really throughout twenty twenty and it's been really great. So even you know we played the Duke Tobin interview earlier that John was was a part of their. So if you haven't had the chance, go back into some of our libraries and archives and check out some of the interviews we've had we've had some great names on this program and throughout the channel. So just kind of want to promote that in case you haven't had the chance to check those out, and of course, join US Friday afternoon eastern time for listener questions live this week a couple of days from now as of this live recording, join us then and we will field your questions or get those to us whether it's email call text through since jungle dot com on twitter. We'll take that for John. Sharon I'm Anthony. Kazan's thanks for sticking with US especially for a slightly longer show this week but we had a lot to get to training camp starting. Thanks for listening. Thanks for joining us live.

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"When four friends from Washington DC most elite prep school are hacked they're thrust into a global conspiracy the threatens to expose. DC's most influential families meet the daughters of DC listen to daughters of DC on the iheartradio APP, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello podcast world. This is new Guy Nick Delaney and I are starting a new podcast called right reasons. Wrong podcasts the BACHELORETTE review podcast. And here's the first episode because we don't have a channel yet, and that's kind of my fault too. But here you got even when the show is over sometimes we just keep talking and now you can hear it listen to the John Jane, rich afterwards podcast on iheartradio or wherever you get your podcast. By eleven thirty. Nick. You ready for this Are we starting. We're going to start right now. We're I guess technically like thirty seconds in because I, like I like using the little natural vibe before you really get into the get into the Like it's four play. Getting into the penetration, Ayla. You're. Disgusting. Disgusting. Beast. Okay. So here's the deal. My Name's Nick. Delaney is across the board from me hello. And we're trying something. We are trying a bachelor review podcast and I think I should set the scene a little bit. We we did a couple bachelor reviews. Last season and that was pre pandemic and pre everything being so weird. And God knows that everything is just. Just been turned totally upside down since then. But my original idea for this podcast like we should not be doing this together. Any circumstance we'd like like there's not A. There's not a reason I mean, it makes sense for you. Because you're who the bachelor needs your who the bachelor wants to watch the show and the demographic and I am not you are not L. I am not even close I me married thirty, four year old man with a child and. I. The drama. Overall in my life. But I hate seeing it played out on TV that said. This. Particular season I've got into the bachelor from my wife But this particular season? Means everything to me. And I know everything I know that it it. It probably changes a little bit midseason. That said. Clare Cawley. I have not been in love with but I have loved her as a character. Yeah. For like seven years he's your favorite in the bachelor nation because at least like she in her original season with John Pablo she was like the villain up until the very last episode yeah. Yeah then. then. She kind of heard character shifted into like this this woman who's empowered and stands up for. Herself and other women. And then also kind of bat shit crazy. Which I love more than anything and I know it's clever editing and whatever. But. Her seasons a bachelor in paradise, her season of. Winter Games I like I could not get enough of her. I have no idea why other than the fact that it's like This is the person who should be on the bachelor someone who's in their thirties. and has not had good luck with love. Rather, than you know. The last whatever ten contestants they've had. Controversy in this series in the season. Obviously. I don't know need to get into that so much but. First Thoughts Delaney because I feel like is schooled you early on how much How much I cared for Clare Yeah. So. Had the virenque. What am I thought on Clare on Clare on the on the premiere episode of her season so I actually as well. Have grown to love Clare because like you said, ferry powerful strong like doesn't really care what other people think of our goes after what she wants I love that. and honestly, I think could they came out real hot with the teaser trailer I both times I. Watched the trailer of how Things go down on her on her half of season. Can you really say her season still like can I was gonNA say like her quarters What ever whatever it turns out to be literally had the chills like I was like Holy Shit. This is about to get real. and. I do like I do really like a couple of the guys that are on there and I'm really hoping that she. I don't know some out give some someone a chance other than Dale. Because I just. I just know people like Dale the type of Guy Daiwa that I see on the surface level you know ex athlete handsome. Like I feel you're sitting across the board for that person. I just feel like he knows how to work people like I. Think he knows how to tell people what they wanna hear, and also at the same time like he's athlete, he's a competitor he's going against what five other men it's like he knows. Yeah, he knows how to work. There's there is. Any any type of game an athlete is going to have the advantage. Yes and going to win. Yeah and that is what and that is what this is. A. I mean for me and we were text each other back and forth a little bit during the premiere. I. I couldn't help but think like you're focusing a whole lot on this dude. and. It's either because it goes super well, and this is who she ends up with Ya or. It's going to go sideways and I'm wondering if like she's so sat on Dale and like she either finds something out about him or like he maybe it's not reciprocated and like she's like I'm done like Ev, it's not Dale. It's not going to be anyone I mean I hope not because there's a couple of guys I liked deep breath Guy Ben. I. Can. We take a deep breath I actually ended up really liking him with because he was talking about how he had listerine strips and his jacket and he did the whole like hammer thing. I just really liked him and Blake 'em who is the guy that reach out to her on social media? He was her first kiss. o on the show I actually ended up really liking him I. thought he ended up being really sweet. But in the beginning of the episode when he's courting in the hotel and he wakes up in the morning, he has like the eye thing over his face you know what I'm talking about the scene I'm like you literally look like you have covid. You'RE GONNA come back negative. You look very ill right now and The the the whole crew. Yes but I like I really do like some of the guys and I know two guys that are on the season, Demar who he did the. the parachute drop one. So I know him and I know the other Blake he's a trainer at like the place I work out at. Kaylynn my wife, and I were we're trying to figure out exactly we guest Demar was one you know. But we couldn't figure out who the other one was I see for me as as someone who watches the show differently than you. At like I point out the ones I, specifically hate. And like Make Fun of like generally, the ones that show up with like props and stuff like the guy in the flocking straightjacket was like, oh Jackie Guy, what is happening why? Why would you why? Why? That is it's solely so that you into see, let no I didn't understand any straightjacket. I did appreciate Delaney texted me. At the rose ceremony and she said a guy with this. Guy In a straitjacket. Gets a rose, and I can't even get a date or. Something along those lines, are you frigging Tamie? The guy in the stray Jag is to move along to the next round he. Don't understand. And then the guy that showed up in the in the giant hamster. Ball. I was like I. If I were clear, I would push you off a cliff you would pop. Pop it and I would let you suffocate Do you think the the resort factor. Gives this season a different feel. Since they're not at the House I was confused because. Like that's where they're staying the whole time from what I understand is it looked so much like the house still I was like i. think that's intentional. They probably my guess is that researched. Resorts in in that area. And and and pick something that was close. My best guess is that the people who they generally rent that house from are probably quarantining at that house. Yeah, and so was not available to them this for this season and from what I from what I understand, and this is coming from my wife and I don't know where she gets her sources. Like. She's some kind of insider. Panama is that. They're doing. It's at this like this resort the entire. The entire season which makes sense. Okay. Joey. Hey The love you Joey Evans thoughts on this season of the. Bachelorette if you WANNA, listen to my podcast, it's about the George Lopez show. I do daily recap. To My instagram George John J van S. Sitcom or the his late night TV late night TV show frigging love that show. Well you should. You would love conquers her bag I'll be out. In the handles at John Jay Venus Weird. Anyway before I was so rudely interrupted by things that are super inside I have nothing to do with the Bachelorette Joey. Yeah. You fucking S. Pose this question to my wife and her friends. Because I like specifically I'm curious on your response. Clare is thirty nine years old. And I am a in bachelor world that is that is on the older side pressure and When I saw dude's coming in in their early thirties. I couldn't late twenties late twenties I posed. It was I can't remember which one which I was specifically, but he was thirty one and I was like I feel like the difference between. Thirty one and thirty nine is a much larger gap then twenty, one to twenty nine. And the only reason I say that is because I'm thinking myself at. Twenty One Twenty nine. Thirty one and like where I'm at now. Because I feel you're still figuring things out. At like thirty one eyed. For dudes, you're still figuring things out and you still trying to trying to decide what like what you want and who you want. In a twenty one, you have no idea. Yeah, and at twenty nine, I had no idea. Yeah well, I knew I'd like I guess should not in like a relation standpoint but I felt like like my life was kind of in a state of. Fluctuation. And I think that I was I was closer. In maturity level when I was twenty one and twenty nine, like I the the maturity level was closer there than. Thirty one to even now like I feel like I've matured incredible amount in my thirties but I just don't think I think when you're thirty nine. You are there is one option. Yeah. You want to married. You want to settle down you want to have that kind of fairy tale life with twenty yet. Yeah. Exactly. You don't have a long engagement like a lot of these bachelor people like these bachelor people will be engaged for like four years. Yeah. Claritin like she doesn't have that kind of. That's not a luxury for her. And I feel like even at twenty nine, you are still kind of figuring things out and it's not like that instant. Look. You have to be my husband and the you know in in a year. and. You we have to have kids in under two years. I don't think there's much of a pressure cooker. In that time limit. Now you being twenty-five. I think you'd probably have a better idea on what at least age gap is between I can't imagine your someone who's like I would date someone who's twenty one No. But you could date someone who's twenty nine. Yes and you could date someone who's thirty one. Yeah and you could not date someone WHO's thirty nine I've probably personally went daniel and that's That that much older than me, right. Maybe, I'm asking the wrong question but I like, do you feel like what is your opinion is twenty one and twenty nine is that a bigger divide between thirty one and thirty nine I mean in a maturity State Twenty, one and twenty nine is. Light Years Different. Than thirty one and thirty nine by think for a man. That's like I saw a lot. The guys that are twenty, seven, twenty eight and she's thirty nine I just don't see her ending up with someone that's still in their twenties. And I know they still want to skew younger. Still. Have younger guys I think for Clare is just like I. Don't think these guys are ready for that. No in my opinion. And for someone who is that that? Strong? Woman who is displayed at least on television that she doesn't need a man. Wants to be married, she wants to have that person. I think that the that maturity level will. Will Show Yeah Dale Thirty two. So I think that's closer than I thought I thought he was still in his twenty s so that that makes me feel better about them to being together. But yeah, and it's weird because I. Follow Reality Steve and he hasn't said anything if they're still Really. And he normally always has the dark I've seen I haven't seen it yet. Yeah I. Did you feel I felt that first episode? was rushed. I felt like, I mean, like you said, they hit you hard in quick but it did feel to me it was a little rush and I think it's because they wanted to make sure they had enough of 'cause they had like a full preview trailer at the beginning of the episode. There, yet they're close and they did a very big I feel like they really emphasized. For Kovin. And that was like a big majority of it too I think and I felt there were a shit ton of guys. Really. There were so many Jews told me that she thought there was there is less than real in normal seasons, but I wasn't. Counting also maybe it's just the way they were standing up and you else I caught was when I saw that she's the roses I have this theory now that they write the names on the roses of like who they pick because I, do you. Know. If you go back and watch her do it. You can tell you can see she glances down at the rose and then gives it to them. I'm almost positive that their names are written on the roses because there's literally no way you know all these guys name there's literally no fucking. Now, do you think they're done? That's done by her or do you think that's done by somebody her maybe somebody her like I'm saying maybe she picks and then the producers right down like on the roses. But like the names are I sure either inner ear or the roads because there's one hundred percent there's no way there at least in her ear telling her like, okay. The next person you pig is this the most dramatic order is this way. But it's hard for me to believe that also like. Unless she's literally drawing straws out of a hat that she. Like it went from like. Fifty dudes till like twenty five dudes and there's just no way that you remember like you don't remember those names. named. Right. And There was just a like there was just something about that dude. that. Rubbed me the wrong way. Yeah I know and I want to and I I fall on instagram now. posted. Something about his sisters on my God you look you could be such a nice guy. I just don't buy what you're selling. For Special Olympics. I 'cause I I immediately looked up. As we were texting back and forth and I was like I got to figure out this dude deal because like he was an athlete. But at least from what I looked up, it's he didn't play a major role on a couple of old practice. Practice squad teams, and so it's like, okay. Well, that's fun that you can call yourself an athlete. But then it was like a model. And then it was like special advocate for the Special Olympics and I was like seems like a nice no, and it's but the at the which it is, you know what I mean. I know guys that are like so good to their families and they love their siblings and you know they do things in the community but they fucking suck when it comes to relationships you know what I mean like they're not good when it come. To women and I just. I just see I. Hope I'm wrong. I want I want to be wrong but I just feel like there's something something a little sly about Dale and I just I'm curious how it's GonNa fall come come out to play come out to play. That's fine I'm play. Play out God let you get their play out, but there's also part in the trailer that I'm curious about is when they're like all the guys are like don't fifteen of us just leave right now and they're like running through the hotel. Yeah I know it's like. It looks so bad it lean what? From what are you guys doing and? Also I try to think of it. From a perspective of like, okay. Does the average person? That's turning on the BACHELORETTE. Do they do they know? Like what happens to her I like? Months. In like, do you know like like exactly like a, you know a spoiler. She falls in love with somebody and leaves midseason like yeah I'm not coming back. But does the average person know that and you know what I don't think. So because one of my best friends the other day was like wait just click like two something happened to Claire I'm like dude, what do you mean but then it's like she's like I mean you're in media no these things like I don't I guess you're right? I. Guess some people don't know that but just feel like it's like public knowledge almost like how do you not know that because I think what a bombshell that would be because they do address it at the end of the episode they do address. And it's like. How much of a shock that would be I feel like that's A. Now. What's in my? What's in my? WHEELHOUSE. Like. The first time you see empire strikes back and baiters like Luke. I like and like you don't. You don't have a fucking clue and it's like what? I feel like that's what the average human. That's their reaction if they don't like they've not paid attention to any spoilers or anything. And how much of a shock that has to be like? Oh my God she doesn't make it through the season. Are you immediately like Oh my God she got covert and dies it's are you like they pick another Bachelorette or like like going through these these things in my mind is. It rattles my brain. Yeah. Because of like I like what is what? There's so few things in this world that can be a surprise. Yeah and just seeing like that limo open in it's a different person is fantastic. Yeah and I'm anxious to see how she does too. Because the speculation they they haven't addressed it right? Like ABC has an addressed it that it's her. Yeah. They have. No they have 'cause will. Then why would you? Want. You know. The trailer. No, you're right. They have it. Bachelor things happening right now because I was thinking of Matt Because Matt James. All. All the cast girl came out and I was like we each working so far ahead. Much Bachelor Shit Avenue Right. Now I cannot give up so. The speculation is that. Originally, which she on Colton season originally. Bachelor in paradise she was with J. J. Like quite a while and they like just. Within this year broke up. Right. Yeah. Because I hated her on that season of the Bachelorette or bachelor and then Bachelor in paradise I was like man you and John Paul Jones just makes sense to me because you seem so smart and he is maybe the dumbest human I've I've. Ten I don't I like him too I really like you can't be stupid and people like. Stupid. So I'm curious to see like how that transition. Happens and. If if quote if it happens. Spoiler whatever I'm I am very I like I went from like I don't give a shit about the Bachelorette this year there's too much other stuff going on in the world for me to be concerned and then. Once it started leaking out I was like okay. Well, now I'm all in again and God help me. God, help me for I. Know I can't I can't wait and I wanted to. Okay, Joseph. And the guy. I think his I think his name was tyler right Joseph Tiki Guy Right. The one they had drama the first night. Slime Ball, ultimate slime ball, and I was so pissed that she said the other one home and not him because she was like did this happen like did you message these girls and he didn't even Say No. Yeah, he he's give me your frigging answer but to me, that's a producers decision. Yeah. To me. That's like we gotta keep this guy specifically here because he's trouble. Yeah, and that's what we need because we. Can't we can't we can't go anywhere. You know like these big extravagant dates, they're not gonna be able to do. Yeah, that's true and so it's like what you really need is the drama between the dudes and God love Claire She is. The most dramatic. And you know who else made me literally laugh out loud and cringe so much was the guy that came out of the car. He's like my all my friends say I'm really bad at first impressions. And she was like oh by. Two percent of the population has green eyes. Squeeze. The shit out of her hand. Is and it's it's unfortunate because he's like kind of handsome. Like you don't do if you know you're bad first impression. fucking acknowledges. Like that's not the first impression you leave is the fact that like yeah, I'm okay with the fact that I'm bad at first impressions like, Oh. Yeah. You're. You're definitely going to get a Bro fake it until you make he did get arose though, right? I don't remember. They all look the same. Narrow it narrow down a little little bit. So. Close things up here I. Obviously going forward. We kind of know what happens with Clare I don't, but we deal right we don't like I don't know. We know that she she stops production. We at least I don't know. WHO THAT STOPPAGES FOR So we know that she is not the she's not the Bachelorette the entire season. When let's say season ends. In what three months roughly. Like, do you see both of this season's Bachelorette's? Happy and engaged. I'm go with no for Clare. I think Hacia well or whoever it is. I'm going to say because you know A. stage. I think is gonNA. I, think we'll find someone I'm going to say no to either one really end not the. You know what? Though I think I think the bachelor is really trying to make a point to find people who are really good. For them but I know it is tougher like defined guys good guys for for the Bachelorette. But I don't know where I was going with that. I think I think Asia if If the second Bachelorette is Teasha. Think she comes off too picky for me. I think that yeah. You can fall in love with a million people if you're quarantined literally with them. Yeah. A period of like a month six weeks whatever it is I think he'll get engaged. I think I think with the track record they've had lately with people breaking up, they're going to really try and push. Compatible. People. Will say call and CASSIE absolute. Shit shout. Did you see JP and? What's her face? No. JP and what's her face the dancer. They announced. Breaking Up, Becker, Fan and Garrett I read something the other day about your girl. The one from the last season, the Bachelorette. Then I don't remember her name. She was she was the Bachelorette. What's her name enemy had a be is that she? She did she it was not an accident of her using the n word only guy and that she's one of her I don't know former boyfriends or something like came out and said that, yes, she's a raging racist no way that's white. Hey, I'm not I just report the news. I don't believe that. I mean, you know obviously they you hope that's not true I really hope that's true. It's J. P. and. fucking. Usually. Ashley JP NO ACTUALLY I. Know this is you probably don't know I'm referring to I. Don't married eight years had kids and they just announced they're breaking up there I. think there's a lot going down and I think. Well I hope they. Me Calvin made they need. They need good news coming out of this season like. I'd like not just from a bachelor standpoint but from like a world standpoint, I don't think. I don't think it's a good look. If you leave this season of the Bachelorette while we're in the middle of a pandemic when people have been waiting for this show specifically, it's not a good look for ABC. End Well Yeah like there has to be a happy ending for one or both of the Bachelorette's morals I think there's going to be a huge. Push back against this show because Y. You know why? Why why why even. Put It on television? If you're just GONNA marry side. Yeah. Okay well. We'll talk to you next week. Do you like? D like the name Delaney and it came up with a new. Right people earn eight right reason. No Fuck. Right reasons wrong podcasts because we're here for the right reasons which is to. To to elaborate and review the Bachelorette but we're the wrong people that are should be doing. Yeah. Listen I. I'm an idea man. Looking. For the right reasons for sure I know. Yeah. It sucks it's. It's sucks that. There are a few bachelor PODCASTS and all the names that I had picked out were gone. So you're getting like the tenth duration of. My name was I love. Okay, well, thanks for listening and we will talk to you next week.

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The MMA Reporters: Episode 6

Five Rounds with Brett Okamoto

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The MMA Reporters: Episode 6

"It is Wednesday February twentieth. Two thousand and nineteen. Welcome back to another episode of Yemane reporters. And when you do shows like this one when you do shows like the one I do Monday when you do shows like on the bad guy. It's always fun when news breaks right before you do the show doesn't happen often. But when it does when there's fresh news out there new news, if you will that's always very exciting. And that's what happened this morning. So we've found out at around ten thirty AM eastern time. You have see sent out a press release that George rush Saint Pierre, arguably the greatest mixed martial arts. Fighter of all time. The pride of Saint is adult Quebec Canada the face of Canadian MA, the former you have see welterweight and middleweight champion was set to hold a press conference. Tomorrow in Montreal Thursday morning Montreal to make a special quote unquote announcement moments later, Ben web, dwell of LDS in Quebec a sister station of. Yes. PIN by the way, the French Canadian version of ESPN and Quebec announced that George was expected to announce his retirement, I have confirmed the multiple sources that that is in fact, true George saint-pierre tomorrow at ten thirty A M eastern time, we'll nounce his retirement from mixed martial arts. According to my sources, he tried to secure fight against Libya. Magomedov once it became clear that that was not going to happen that it would not materialize. He decided at thirty seven years young that it was time to walk away. Of course, the last time we saw him in action was November of two thousand seventeen you have see to seventeen when he defeated Michael bist Bank, and you'll call he stayed a beat longer in the cage that night to say goodbye to the fans to knowledge the fans in the end that ended up being his final. As an active UFC fighter inside, the cage. So we have a lot to talk about here this afternoon. It is a pleasure once again to be joined by the man in the shirt, Jeff wagon Heim, the great Jeff wagon Heim and also returning is the one and only Greg Rosenstein, and this is very fun guys because this is sort of like the heartbeat of ESPN dot com slash Emma. May you two gentlemen, kind of set the table for everyone? So first off Jeff welcome back. Good star. Gerald's of emotional day. It is emotional or saint-pierre. It's like it's the end of an era. I will share my motions in a moment. But let's just say Hello to Greg as well. Greg. How are you? I'm doing great. Hopefully, no more news breaks because this is the entire section right here. So yeah, that's back. I was gonna add when you when you said, it's really cool. When news Rex before one of these shows, it always seems to happen that news breaks as soon as you finish. That's right. That's like this is like this is where we're we're we're playing with house money here. So I want to talk to you guys about what just came out this news. Just broke. I just wanna set the table. I for my perspective. No secret that I am from Montreal. No secret that George saint-pierre growing up along with the laws. Oh where my favorite fighters before. I started doing this for a living. I've said on many occasions that you have C sixty five when he beat Matt Hughes to finally become the world champion is my favorite fight of all time. I went to champs sports bar on San Laurent street in Montreal with some friends who nothing about Emma, man. I tried to convert them into MA fans, we watched it the place exploded like the Canadians had just won the Stanley Cup. George saint-pierre means a lot to me. I can't I'm a human being. I can't I can't hide that. And it has been honored covers career. So to your point Jeff, I am a little motion. I think a lot of thought that this could happen to actually see it become a reality. And and and and I hope to be there tomorrow at the press conference. Thank you ESPN for giving me that opportunity. It's an end of an era, and it's not often that arguably the greatest ever walks away. And so this gives us some time to reflect and so let me. Ask you when you heard about the news. What did you think I thought good for him? That's what I thought. I know that you mentioned that Habib fight was sort of hanging out there, and it would have been great to see something like that. But I really thought good for George. I mean, this is a guy who who walked away from the sport when he was on top. And how many people do that? It's a pretty rare thing in combat sports really in sports in general, but in combat sports in particular, and then he made the decision to come back when he fought against bist being and and how many times have someone who walked away come back. And then they get exposed their their their return. We just saw it last weekend. Cain Velasquez comes back from a long long absence. And and seconds later. He's he's on the campus, and that's over well, George came back, and and became a champion a whole different way class. So he's almost like he's had so many triumphs or even triumph from returns. And you know, now he's walking away as. A guy who was to time champion perhaps the greatest ever I'm going to say as great as ever. Good for him. I agree with that completely. I think like you said there's too many of these fighters who are all time greats, and they keep going and keep going, and then it gets almost sad, you know, couple months ago when we saw BJ Penn that was kind of sad, you know, this past weekend henna Barat that was kind of sad. So I think it's great when these fighters, no when they don't wanna keep going, and you know, he said on your show, call months ago, whenever is on that fire really isn't there anymore? So if he's not getting the fights that he wants he shouldn't just be forced into a fight just for the sake of it. He doesn't need the money. He's an all time. Great no matter what no matter where you have him. I know Jackie's he's number one for you. I think a lot of people have number one. I think he's definitely a top five all time. So I think it's I think it's the right time if he's not really feeling that fire. Okay. So let me ask you guys this before we dig deeper into Georgia and his legacy, and perhaps why he's walking away. Jeff you've been covering the fight game along time, and Greg you just alluded to this. The fight game. Is filled with stories of people who announced their retirement, and then come back, even Daniel Cormet said, I'm going to retire when I turned forty in March, and that has been pushed back we know about Roy Jones junior talking for years, I'm gonna retire when I'm x years old comes back Bernard Hopkins and the same BJ Penn. I mean, it's just it's it's very rare that someone stays true to this. I think of a Lennox Lewis who stay chewed said I'm done and never came back. Even though he tried people. Try to get him to come back in short. Do you believe George do you really believe that this is it for him? Oh, yeah. Totally. I feel as though when he walked away after the Johny Hendricks fight years ago. And he never used the R word. He never said retirement. I think that said something about how he wasn't quite ready to truly walk away. But he just couldn't continue at that time. And you know, if you remember the time he was he was kind of a motion a mess. He was it was a hard time in his fight. Who's also getting beat up in even though he was continuing to win and he needed to be away from the sport. He might have never come back. But he wasn't ready at the time to say he was done. I think this time he's he's ready. And again, he's he's he has been a champion two different way. Classes. I know he wanted to get that fight could be which I guess if he had to cut down two hundred and fifty five pounds and become a champion of the third way class. It would have been crazy. But is that what the guy really I mean, I suppose for him if the one one more complement would have been a great thing for him. But I think he he seems like a guy who's who's who knows what he's done in the sport. And he knows when it's when it's time to walk away. So does it. I do believe him that he is feeling this way and retirement could very well. Be exactly what he's going to be in forever. I do think though that you know, he just said he wanted to could be and so it's not completely gone. You know, what I mean and for the right money for the right person? Anybody could come out of retirement. So I'm not going to give it one hundred percent lock great. I don't know about you. I mean, you're you're closer than I am with him. Would you would you sense? I find the timing interesting because as you just said so much can happen between now. And when he is ready to return right Abib has said that he's only gonna come back in November. Once his his teammates suspension are up and were in February. So that's in nine months, a lockin happen. Even if he did come back in November and one a lot can happen between that fight in his next fight. So I'm really curious George hasn't talked on the record yet. But I'm curious to hear his explanation. It is important to note, he's thirty seven, and I think that the you have. See was a little upset that he came back to fight. Michael bist bang, and then didn't defend the title because that's what happened in the Johnny Hendricks fight. He dropped the belt and you'll recall Dana white saying that there was a clause that he had to defend it against Robert Whitaker that didn't happen. So he gave it the title like eleven days later. I think it was. So I thought it was a very very very long shot that we give them a third title fight in the third different way class because I don't think George is ready and willing to be an active champion. Meaning I think he wants legacy fights. He wants big fights the idea of being the first man to defeat hubby, muggy medoff is incredibly intriguing for him. I don't think he is interested in being a guy who's going to defend the lightweight welterweight or middleweight title actively. Right. And so the you have C is gonna say now can give you this massive fight. But I'm not surprised that they're saying. No. And I'm not surprised that he has the feeling that you know, what I'm never gonna get this fight. Because of how the last two title rains went totally understand the way of thinking. I mean, nobody. Ever gone to a different way class one a title, and then not defend it kinda McGregor. But I mean, look Georgia's a guy who had he he is he walks his own path. He's a guy who at times challenged the company with regards to drug testing, really he was the first prominent guy who was out there calling for more for more stringent testing. Now, some of that hasn't hasn't really worked out so well for the sport in general, but but he was the guy that was out there, and he was challenging the see specifically about that. So I I understand them not wanting to do him any favors even though he certainly makes made him a lot of money. And if they put him in another big fight, he would have made even more money for them. Are you surprised the UC's interested in this fight Greg interested in could be been j? Yeah. A little bit because it's too huge huge names. I mean, they're all about selling tickets all about. About song paper views. I mean that would that would crush, right? I mean, those are two amazing fighters. So I am a little surprised. They're not interested. I mean, we don't know all the details, and why didn't come together. But I am a little surprised. Dana white has been asked about this multiple times. He's like, nah, I'm not gonna even that fight. That's not something we're interested in because I think he was legitimately mad. And so I do agree with you. Jeff I understand their line of thinking. And quite frankly, I think it would be hypocritical on our part, especially you, and I Jeff who have talked about like meritocracy and things like that. There is a log jam at one fifty five it would be hard to tell Tony Ferguson, for example. Hey, we're giving this guy who's never fought at one fifty five a title shot over you or doesn't poor your ally. I mean, I I'm not gonna knock the C for this percent. But to your point, Greg. This is a money fight. Like this fight does way better than Ferguson. The only fight that probably does better than this one for Habib is a Connery match. And I think there's for me like stylistically. She is P Habib is freaking. King incredible, right? Yeah. Way. More interesting for me, then Connery match because I agree. You know, unless CONNER suddenly learns way more wrestling, again, I'm not going to discredit McGregor because he did better on the ground that a lot of people did against have done against the hubby. But let's he can raise that significantly of. I don't see a fight with with Habib changing the result changing much at all, you know, George saint-pierre has been always touted as sort of one of the great greatest MMA wrestler, a guy with no actual wrestling credentials in his pocket. But a guy who's always been able to out wrestle everybody. He's he's fought against and, you know, even though he would have to cut down to one hundred and fifty five he would be a bigger man than could be. So yes, certainly, there would would have been some interesting things on your right, though. You can't I it would not be right for him to step ahead of the line. I just don't think that's the reason why the is is saying no to the fight. I mean, they're. The idea that, you know, I'm not gonna Dana would say, I'm not going to give them this fight as if he's giving him something. He's what he's doing is. He's trying to make fights that make money. So there's other reasons there were you at that Prescott. Will you at U of C 167 when he fought Johnny Hendrix. I was not at that one. You've seen the price. You remember how contentious it was? Yeah. Ever since. Then it's never been the same between the two do you? Remember the press conference? I think it was before the Kevin Leigh Tony Ferguson fight in Las Vegas. So that was what you have C two one six if memory serves me, correct? And they did the press conference for GS p bis being and Dana walked up there. And everyone's like, so what was your reaction when you found out that Georgia's coming back, and he said awesome. Like there was no excitement. He didn't build that fight. It always felt like he was just not that buzzed about the fact that arguably the greatest of all time was coming back ever since that press conference. He said he owes it to us. He should defend the title. That's what you do. Johnny Hendrix was so close to winning that fight. They wouldn't have had that problem and ever. Since that moment of felt like they could not see eye to eye vincis becomes talking about drug testing. And and the union thing remember that he was on the forefront of all that ever since then. So I think all that comes into play when you try to figure out why they're not interested in this Habib fight. I'm actually carrying about another possibility say Tyron Woodley who call who always wants to fight pay Sade say Woodley wins in other the refighting row or something. Do you think it's possible that because he's just continues to rise that could be something that for the right money and everything GOP would consider coming back for or is he not is he still not enough of a draw? So he was like three or four zero. It's a good question. I think all of us would sign up for that fight. I don't think he has any interest in that fight because that's a mountain that he conquered. He's considered the greatest welterweight which haven't of all time. And let's say by the time that actually happens where we're tired is threatening. His record George can be like probably close to forty at that point. Right. George saint-pierre is that the kind of guy I think who's going to sit on his couch now and eat a lot of Patine or something like that. I mean, he is going to be in great shape for his entire life. I don't suspected he will like balloon in his forties and fifties that being said he's all about he's talked about the so many times the stock market, you know, who's up who's down. What's my legacy? All this. I think for him welterweight is done like every time. You ask them about. What about like, he doesn't even entertain the idea? One eighty five was of interest because he had never done it. Double champ one fifty five would be of interest because he never done it. Triple champ Abib undefeated in his mind. What have gathered is there's no mountain there as far as will these concern tach your question? No, I don't I would love to see the fights to bad day, two favorite people. Really? I know that is true to would've put the belt on anyone in that case. So that's going to happen tomorrow. And so this gives us an opportunity to celebrate George, and I just mentioned the story. So like for me. Very quickly being MMA fan. And and seeing someone who's from Montreal rise up and become that big of a star again him David Lonzo divisor went to a college. That was literally ten minutes from you know, where where my family lived when I was in high school that was just you know, that that sort of thing didn't happen like in hockey they were Montreal born stars. But another sports there weren't and so that was super cool for us. And that's why Jesus was always our guy and the first time I ever interviewed George saint-pierre was July of two thousand eight when I was working for a website called MA rate dot com, and I went to try star. And I was nervous as hell. And he sat on the ring on their forget at the clip is still on YouTube sat on the ring. And he spoke to me like we were. I mean like best buds, and I couldn't believe how one of the biggest stars in the sport was that down to earth when I was running my own website, Jerry park dot com. I somehow God his number and cold called him at that point. I've never done any video work or anything and asked him to be on the show. And I said mature on everything did the interview right then and there for me. So I think part. Of his legacy is that he was always kind of, you know, humble down to earth respectful martial-arts comes from the true martial arts background. But, but Jeff I understand I've never been to Saint TS though, you've been to his hometown. Yeah. Coming up to Montreal to watch him fight a believe it was the Nick D fight K. And I was I was driving up from Massachusetts through Mont with my wife. And I said, you know, we we have to take a little detour when we're on the way to Montreal. And I found Santa's to do on the map, and I went over there. And I was expecting there to be you know, like in some little town you'd see like banners across across the roadway. You know, big I for Georgia. What I was expecting there to be major celebrations. But it was great quiet. It was nothing at all in the town in there, and we stopped at a little convenience store. And I was asking the person behind the counter. Now, everybody courses a this is in deepest Quebec. So there's hardly anybody half the people I. Would speak to could not speak to me in English. They were just they were French-Speaking. And I think France, Jeff, I'm on. But but but I I was able to at least a brass that. I was you know, there to ask about George Saint Pierre. Some people knew who he was when people didn't even know it was kind of very low key. I was kind of surprised, and then I later found out that that that his his schooling was in a neighboring town. So even though he was from one town his his the where he actually went to school. And where he was kind of a little better known was was in another town. So I, you know, I. You know, I I in a sense, I feel like I gone to the wrong place. But it was still kinda cool to go into the place where this guy was it was like a little tiny little town on middle of farmland. And there was you know, nothing nothing much out. There was it was a cool little thing. And then then to get in the car and Hopley car and go, you know, not very long forty five minutes, or so maybe an hour up to Montreal where you know, the the place was just celebrating him was kind of a cool experience. Yeah. Were you there at UCD three when he fought Matt, Sarah? I was not at that one. No, one twenty nine the one that I was not there either. I only went to the only place I saw George. I saw George fight in in Montreal a bunch of times the Dixie as I think the Carlos Condit. And then maybe I saw him in. I'm not sure if some other some other ones as well. But but I did not see Toronto. And and so I was the first time I saw George saint-pierre fight. I was trying to figure this out when I saw this news this morning, and I realize I don't even remember it. But I remember I looked at his record. And he his you'll see debut was you'll see forty six and the reason I know I saw him fight was that was a fight headlined by two title fights to very distinctive one veto Belford knocked out. Randy couture to become the the the light heavyweight champion in less than a minute and right below that was the welterweight championship of the world. Matt Hughes defending against BJ Penn. The former that time former lightweight champion and BJ Penn upset him to become the champion. Now. George saint-pierre fought on the the main fight of the prelims, and and won a unanimous decision that the bands, don't even remember all our Emmers. I know I saw because I watched that entire fight card there. Five you have welterweight champions. Wow. That fight card. You had Matt huge had BJ Penn. You had George Saint Pierre. Carlos Newton was on that card. And also, I believe Matt Serra was on the fight car. I'm trying to think I've took a note here. I think was. Yeah. Matt Serra as well. I mean, it was a pretty crazy card Frank MIR fought there was a if you go back and look at that, you know, that was a pretty notable thing. But there was I don't remember the GSP performance at all. I knows a two fights later. He was challenging Matt Hughes for the title. He lost that fight. And then of course, a couple years later came back in one, but I did see his debut. Of course, I probably today. I'll go home and and rewatch it on on fight pass. But it was it was notable notable debut, Greg. Where does he stand in your greatest of all time list is number one? Are you John Jones guy? Anderson Silva guy, I gotta I gotta figure it out. Exactly where I do have John John's number one. I just think overall he's basically dominated everyone. He's ever faced in the one loss should not have been a loss. I mean, he literally bloodied. The guy's entire face up before what about the the black clouds. Well, that's the question, and Jeff, and I were talking about this earlier where GSP lands, you know, to me John Jones the best all time. But then he has you know, the the issues overall. So I mean in the same thing with Anderson, you never know for sure on that either. So you know, when we were talking about best ever, you know, you could go fate or go Anderson John Jones GSP, I guess you can make the case for Dimitrius space and everything he did. So I mean, it's kinda tough to figure out exactly who is one through five on these on this list here. But yeah, I mean, that's what I was gonna say two GOP, which is just you knew the guy did the things the right way. There's no issues outside of the octagon with this guy. You know, he wasn't a big trash talker. And I think that's something you've got gotta respect with with him. I wanna ask Jeff where he stands in your greatest of all timeless. But you know, it's funny because Georgia's retiring and usually when. You retire? You get a little older that means you lose some hair, and George doesn't have a lot of hair. But that's I think his own choice. He does the old hell wanna you know, he cuts it short and keeps at high tight. But I think if you wanted to he could let it grow. If he did have trouble letting it grow he should call her friends over at. The music Daniel keeps dot com there. It is Dan, I think I think we welcome up there. It is. There's that song. I need the song. You know, it gets make cited guys as you know. And Greg doesn't have this problem because he's like fourteen years old, but Jeff you, and I can sympathize losing hair sucks. Right. Starting to go. Guys. I don't know if you know this but two to three guys will experience hair loss by the time. They're thirty five thirty five you got twenty more years, Greg. You're good. Introducing keeps the easiest and most affordable way to keep the hair. You have these FDA approved products used to cost so much. But now, no thanks the keeps. 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Go to keeps dot com slash anime. That keeps dot com slash emanate. Keeps is K E E P S dot com slash may. That's a free month of treatment at keeps dot com slash of a make keeps hair today hair tomorrow support them because they support us Jeff it is the greatest of all time. I think he is. But I think you can certainly make strong arguments follows the guys, you know, John Jones is certainly been the most dominant guy. But then you go back and see Anderson Silva, and then you know, certainly fade or gets a get some people excited. I would say those are the those three in Georgia. The are the the big ones four. Is your arguments for one of those guys you also I mean, I I guess Dimitrius another one, but I'm just gonna leave it with those four. And so the way I'm gonna arrive at George being number one is by process of elimination. We can cite all their greatness, each one of those guys George John Anderson fade or make a list you'll see a lot of greatness, right down to less. But now, let's eliminate some stuff. John Jones PD drug test failures enersen Silva PD drug test failures. Let's put that aside fate or a million eggo. It's a little bit sketchy with him. But the fact that he never fought in the UFC, I think is Mark against them. I do recognize that that at the time. He was coming up in the sport, the the pride fighting championship had had tremendous some heavyweights. But you know, unfortunately for him you see is and has been the major league of. Mixed martial arts for a long time. And unless you fight the majors if you don't compete in that in that in that league, you're always going to have some people questioning how great you are. And so I'm going to sort of push him aside as well, George doesn't have very main in negative. I mean, he he took them to times to get to the title. But the second time he fought mad Hughes. He really he he took them out in a really beautiful way. Then he has his big, you know, failure against Matt Serra, but he comes back and smashes him, then he you know, he goes on and even what nine title defenses, then when he walks away he comes back what two and a half years later was it to take out this thing. I mean again, you can make arguments all those guys. But I think that when you add up the positives. And then also take away the negatives. I think you end up with George saint-pierre. I agree with you. I think the fact that he has. Only two losses helps. I think the fact that he has no Asterix helps. I think the fact that he walked away twice as champion helps to me. It's it's kind of a I don't know. It's it's a bit of a no brainer. If you want to say, all right. John has never lost fine. But it's hard to overlook that other stuff. Right. I mean, I'm talking about the Matt Hamill fight. I'm talking about the second DC fight and you'll see two hundred it probably comes down. But you know, what I wouldn't hate you. If you say comes down to DC GS P or Dimitrius, although Dmitri's loss, Henry pseudo. So I think he kinda gets exceeded these Jones twice. I mean. Right. Once once not officially, but I mean, you can certainly make all those arguments any one of those people the cleanest, the only clean in terms of like, the cleanest argument is Georgia's right. Absolutely. There's no question, and this probably shouldn't count. But I can I I would be hypocritical. Why didn't acknowledge that at least counts little bit for me? Georgia's just been a gentleman of the game. There's something about something about that. That I should that factor. Always shouldn't fact it probably him. But there's something about watching a guy who's gone about things the right way all the way through his career, and you know, Johnny bones is I've had great interactions with John over the course of the years Anderson Silva's, well, you know, I have an actually had the opportunity to to interview fado ever. But but certainly I've understood he's always been gentlemen as well. But Georgia something some like, there's some intangible thing about George that. I think just just makes him special. I agree. But we're also watching cage fighting where people are punching each other in the face. I don't think being a gentleman matters as much, but yes, I agree the cleanest come over there. Greg. I know you're trying to couple of times a little bit of air of relied. No, I I agree. I mean, you it's hard to put what say Jones did pass your mind. I mean, it just it's difficult, and that's how I feel DC too. I think you can make the case for DC potentially. But I just can't get those two Jones fights out of my head. No matter no matter what he was potentially on. You know, it was pretty decisive wins there. So it's hard to do that. I like what you're saying about him being nice guy. But this is like an old school media thing that the baseball writers, always get your right right right about who they voted into the hall of fame. Right. All the people who hated Roger Clements. Bonds. Yeah. So I I'm acknowledging that that's in my mind. But, but I do have to sort of push it aside when I'm thinking about which one because like I said all these guys I've had good interactions with all these guys other than having not really had much to do with fate or. But certainly I've seen him, you know, interviewed and seeing him around enough to know that he's also done done things the right way. So so, yeah, I'm knowledge ING by also saying that I really think it's really about other stuff, and we also have Artem above about to fight in bare knuckle. Just don't don't don't do this. Why would he do that come on? I mean, we're trying to have a serious conversation here. And you throw it Artem above with all due respect to the you know, that's two minutes for roughing. Yeah. Okay. Well, let me ask you this. Because I think it is interesting if George saint-peres career started a year ago, right? And it ends up the same twenty six and two victories. Same type of opponents is he as? Is he as popular as successful as he was when his career started back in two thousand four because I don't know if George saint-pierre with his demeanor, his personality and honestly, his fighting style gets over the way the fans of today. Are attracted to emanate fighters. Look at today's you have seized completely different than you have see where he reigned. What do you think this GS p have the same success because we know this game's all about getting the fights. Right. You gotta get the fight to get over with the credit. Does he have the same success talking about starpower starpower getting put in title fights, getting -tunities to shine? All those things I don't know like Tony Ferguson fifteen years ago isn't having as much trouble. Getting title fight on a ten eleven twelve fight winning streak is just a different game. Right. It was much more of America ksi there were less way class just a different game. And I'm wondering if a guy who doesn't talk trash who isn't flashy outside of the cage. I mean, he was known for being, you know, one of the first to wear suits to press conferences, then I think that raised some eyebrows while he's taking it seriously as professional, but I just wonder if George saint-pierre gets the same kind of love today's you see you're probably right. I mean in terms of actually getting those fights, I think it would be more difficult because Dana would look at him and say, oh, he. Doesn't what is really do that surpasses just success in the cage? You know, he needs to have some of the other things that Connor has. For instance. I do think though now a days with not to pattern backs with ESPN backing it now in the sport on the rise. More fans are getting into it. I think his star power could be technically bigger now than ever before a young sport back then when he was really thriving. Now, you know with all the extra different types of forms of media there. It could push him to that level that he wasn't before. Maybe, but we are in the entertainment era as much as I kind of hate that in some ways, I recognize that that's that's where we're at and George George had fights that we're pretty entertaining. But then he also had some that that some people would would not look at that way. And I'm thinking that you know, you brought up our our employers, certainly there's more people just because of so many. Watch ESPN. There's a lot more people who are going to be exposed to see who never would have given it the time of day before. And so we would I would characterize those folks as more casual fans, and and if you're a casual fan, and you are not as steeped in some of the intricacies of the sport. You may not know what's really going on when when when GSP takes the guy down and slowly works as way out of full guard into half guard. And then find its finds a way to work as way decide control and find his way to do all these different things. And you know, I just recently went to a fight down in the making sign the belts are ones. And I was. Kind of like surprised because it'd been awhile since I've been at one of those fights where I was liberally listening to the fans, and there are a lot of people just really just wanna see people bang. They just wanna see they wanna see you know, that Brian barberie and a fight against the scent. Look it that's what they wanna see not. And there's nothing wrong. With those fights are awesome. But the to see somebody do things in a kind of a technical methodical way the way George would would take part as opponents. I think it would have been a harder sell in this era. I agree with you. But do you really think it's not much different? I bet you back years ago. People still wanted them to go and bang. You know what I mean? Like, I remember they would him twenty nine the fight against Jake shields fifty five thousand plus like it kind of ended on a bit of a weird note. You know what? I mean, he hurt. His I in that fight. No, Jake, her design FA, Jake GPS design one of them hurt their I it's been a while. But anyway, the point was the crowd was like restless by the end, you know, and and there were some fights where the crowd was kind of. Like come on, George go for the kill. There was the Dan hardy fight where he went for the submission and heart. He couldn't get this emission in the fans were a little bit annoyed about that. But I think the consensus seemed to be after the Matt Serra knockout that he started to play it safe that it changed the way he was he didn't go for the kill as much and that could very well be true. He's talked about that in the past. So I don't think it's crazy to say that maybe he's not as popular today's you have see just given the way the fans are and also I think personality plays a lot into it. Like, he never talked trash. Remember when he walked into the cage and went up to Matt Hughes and said, I'm not impressed. I'm not impressed by your performance. Exactly. Good job on that one. That was like such a big thing because that was like the most trash Ocoee, and he came out later and said like he was kind of his English wasn't good and heated meet to be that that route. But he literally walked up to Matt Hughes and said that to him right after victory. And that is that is a line that is being repeated till this day apologize for the. Talk in the history of next March Lawrence. Yes. And he apologized for it. Today's you have seized much different. One of the best things. Dana white has ever done as a promoter in my opinion. One of the greatest like it was a stroke of genius. Was remember him being in Montreal? And saying that George saint-pierre was the most popular Canadian athlete on earth. Meaning you go to anywhere on this planet, and you know, you give people a list of famous Canadian athletes G P is the most popular one, right? The one that everyone recognizes a knows this time when when Merrill amuses still I'm not sure whistling rescue still around the had retarded both retired actually. But this created such a stir on Canadian sports talk radio. Remember, like TSN sports, all of them were talking about it saying how crazy GOP was three. Even people said, Bret Hart was more popular Canadian and more successful Canadian. I mean, there was an equated such a debate that I thought it was brilliant on Danish part because it put GOP over. And put him into that conversation. Right. Right. It may not be true. And it probably Gretzky Gretzky Gretzky Lemieux Islamia, and I would even argue bread hardest bread heart. But that was such a smart move. So, you know, I talk about how the relationship clearly deteriorated. I thought that him doing that really put GS p in that stratosphere, and they did a great job back then to push him like they put him in every opportunity possible every big card possible to make him into a star. So I think you'll see deserves a lot of credit as to when you talk about. Jeez. Legacy and how popular yeah. They'd promote at the hell out of him until until the until until things kind of deteriorate. You're right. They're they I remembered that I remember thinking, even I was as a as a fan of the sport was like was he crazy? And, you know, not even thinking about the fact this is Dana being promoted. That's what he's supposed to do is opposed to build up his guys. And but I remember thinking guys insane. That's biggest biggest piece of wash ever. But of course, what is what is talk radio. Uh-huh. All about is like somebody making some outlandish statement, and then trying to support it. And then somebody else trying to to refute it. That's what makes makes for that debate. Let's give a shout out to our sit with a stand for. That's an information stats information group Zafy at the end, right? Thank you Daniel. Sid combat. So the stats and information group hideous peon. Here's some interesting stats as far as GOP goes in just approved as how great he was. He is the most wins and title fights in UC history. That's thirteen if in fact, it is the end, which it will be the end come tomorrow, he would finish his career with thirteen straight wins and overall fights tied for the third longest streak in UFC history. How about this one towards saint-pierre win twelve known fights that went to a decision tied for the most wins by decision UC history with Diego Sanchez, and by far the most wins from decision without a loss and UC history. And that's also twelve the next closest would be Ryan Bater who went nine. No no with decision victories. Most takedown lands blinded in UFC history. Ninety GOP number one number twos. Glazed Tibo, eighty four two meters. Johnson seventy four G P is the only fighter seawall trade history to have landed at least one thousand significant strikes. According to UC stats in total one thousand two hundred and fifty four Taegu Elvas, by the way has nine hundred ninety nine amazing. And here's one more for you. George saint-pierre lands chew point three nine strikes. Poor strike received the best rate in UFC while trade history. According to UC, stats and. That is number one. Come loose Mun is two point two eight Ludwig two point. Oh, two. So some stats for you. If you want to understand just how great cheese P was I talked about the announcement that they were gonna start that union. The M A alongside Cain Velazquez, Donald Sironi. TJ dillashaw urine Remmy that thing lasted like five days, literally. But Greg lemme ask you now that she has p is going to walk away. Would you like to see him champion more of those causes more drug testing unions revenue sharing things it's clear? He's clearly well-versed clearly interested in that. But he was sort of knocked once he got back. He didn't push the issue anymore. Like, he had all this levered thin push. It would you like now that he is going to be done. Would you like to see him do that more? Do you think he will do that more? I personally don't think he's gonna do that more. But I think it would be a great idea. I mean, the fighters need people to back them up. I mean, you see like almost every week. It was like somebody feels like they got screwed over in shot or finances or anything like that. I mean, I do I do think to have a name like him all time. Great. Backing this thing would be a great thing. I just don't know if it's in his personality and his future plans to actually go and keep pushing it I wonder also if it's you know, he's going to walk away from the sport than than he can walk away from the sport. I mean, he's not you don't see him on. On the telecast, like we see, you know, whatever Dominick Cruz Daniel comu-, and you can go down the list of all the fighters who have looked who have transitioned even many of whom are still active transitioned into broadcasting. You don't see him in some of the other areas. I I feel like I feel like that that ship has kind of sailed for for George, and he he gave it his his effort. He let people know what he thought the sport needed. And you know, look where we are. There's there's no, you know, the whole idea fighters fighters union, I've kind of given talking about that as well. Because it's not in my interest in the fighters interests have to have some kind of a union and half the time. We we talk about fighters saying, you know, I really wish I had this had this our wish the UFC give me that. Well, hey, man, if you want to give you something you'd better get it in writing, you shouldn't be asking them to give you something got you got. And so there's a lot of reasons why. The fighters need to be you know, it's in the fighters interests do the do this. But you know, I feel like George George put out his put his name behind it for a while. Now, it's time for him to step away and do his own thing. I wonder if he'll again like I said he will always train, but he's at TriStar regularly and kind of interesting that he posted a tweet yesterday with him and his longtime head coach for as a hobby and said after all these years we remain undefeated in hindsight. I think he no I think we know what he meant at the time when I saw it. I was like, oh, that's just a nice photo between two old friends. But I wonder if he's more active there, there are some fighter's that he has taken under his wing over the years, you know, like Frenchies Carmel he would always be at his fights and whatnot. Were you guys at you'll see to seventeen the one at Michigan's Michael bang were you sitting outside? I was. Yeah. You remember him staying a little longer in the cage. I was watching from the back. But you remember him staying longer took knowledge the fans. Yeah. I think I think he was there a little bit longer. Like, we're in the middle of like, right? Eating and getting everything out there. But you could tell he was there, and he was pretty motionless. You remember that Jeff were you there? I I remember I remember the aftermath of it where there was there did even though it took a what it was like two weeks or so before you actually walked away from that belt. It seemed almost immediately he would hit accomplish something and a lot of times when when a person has Bruce buffer yell out and new and the belt comes to somebody. It seems more like a beginning. But when this happened with George it felt like there was some kind of closure happening. And I didn't you know, certainly, I didn't know the time that he was going to retire. And that he would never fight again. But it certainly seemed to me as though he had accomplished something. And now, he was you know, he was if not writing off the sunset he was at least going to bask in his accomplishment and see what comes next. Yeah. And of course afterwards he announced that he. He would he was battling colitis because of the extra weight that he gained and he was sick. And that's why he decided to walk away for a bit. Although I don't think he ever had really any intentions of of defending that title. But to the best buy knowledge the colitis the stomach issues have nothing to do with his desire to walk away. Now, it's really the fact that he could not get that fight against Habibur mug made off. So he walks away as be the greatest fighter of all time. Certainly the best welterweight champion of all time of with the win over mad Hughes when he became champion at sixty five. Of course, the greatest upset may be of all time. He was on the receiving end of that. I still believe is greatest upset of all time the Mets fair wind up sixty nine. Yes. Make sure avenged that at UC three the first event in Canada the first event that Montreal the bell centre was just absolutely deafening. When he won that fight on had many big fights in Montreal the cost. Check fight at one twenty four the Condit fight the the D S fight the Jake shields. Fight in Toronto. Of course, the first champion versus champion fight in UC history. Against BJ Penn at UFC ninety four just an unbelievable career. And I feel like we could talk about him for very long time. But that announcement again is going to happen tomorrow. Thursday, ten thirty AM bell center. We will be there so excited about that. And my understanding is he'll also be honored at the Canadians. Flyers game later that night at the bell centre as well. So congratulations suggest piano phenomenal career. And I'm very curious to hear what he has to say. And I will admit them a little sack because I do feel like this is the end of an era and the sport. There aren't a lot of GSP's left from that era that I think may be attracted a lot of us to the sport. And certainly for me as a Canadian as Montreal or it's it's a bittersweet moment. So I think he could be very active till this day. Like, I think he could be a lot of fighters in the, but hey, like Lennox Lewis, another great Canadian, by the way. But that thinking that you said, yeah, that's the problem that I think a lot of these guys think I could still beat all these guys. And that's the problem. They don't walk away. So I think that George is smart. He's done it twice now. Yeah. He's he's realized the first time that he was he wanted needed separate. And he did it didn't say retire. But he's he needed to step away. Now, he's prepared to actually say retire. And the fact that he didn't say before, but he's going to say this time, I think this is good good for him. And it's not just the fight game thing. Right. I mean, it's sometimes it's the thing that we kind of make fun of the fight game about. But like, let's be honest. It's a sports thing. Like, no one walks away on top, Michael, Jordan. Couldn't do it. Right. I mean, the greatest Willie Mays couldn't do it on eighties in the midst could be one of those guys who could do it. But like, it's very rare thing in sports when you're champion. That's why I think DC's not going to do it you're doing so. Well, you're champing you're making money to just walk away. Like, this is an incredibly impressive feat in its own right, right? It's also he did in the cage, it's not athletes, but to walk away like this in sports like I can't think of many guys who walked away quote unquote on top. I'm trying to I'm trying to think who did that though, it doesn't happen. I mean, rocky Marciano. Walked away from boxing undefeated Floyd Mayweather walked away undefeated. But but he keeps coming back doing all kinds of weird things. And you know, he he even he, you know, he's not going back to boxing. But he, but he can't you can't quite get something out of a system. He needs something, you know, an MA. Jeez. I don't even know of who's some guys walked Chris Lytle walked away on a win. But he's come back to do bare knuckle fighting. I mean even Kobe Bryant like they didn't even make or did they make the playoffs. They lost last game against the Utah or something like that. They did nothing in his final season. Right. There were kind of. So the gray manning Peyton Manning walked away after winning the SuperBowl Diddy. Yes. Yes. With the Broncos. Yes. Is that correct? Daniel. That's correct. Okay. That's a resume the NFL guru it just so much different. With them may though, I think just because you're literally people are trying to beat each other up. And it's so strenuous on your body that you could keep going in the NBA. And you know, it's obviously really tough to do that physically. But I just think enemy is different. And you don't want to suffer potential, brain damage and. Whatever else long-term, you know, by keeping yourself going just for the sake of going. Yeah. What a great fight. That would have been him beat though. Oh, just stylus moving wins that fight Jeff. I guess it would depend on when it when it happened. And what George looks like on on the way ends being? I think about it. You know, he's last fight was one hundred eighty five pounds. This is one hundred and fifty five pound. Yeah. That's thirty pounds of a guy. Who is we look I can lose thirty pounds, and you won't even notice. George George is like leading me, and he's going to lose thirty pounds for the way ends if he came on the scale and looked you know, pretty good sort of. I mean, I actually thought TJ dillashaw looked pretty good when he stepped on one twenty five and looked what happened to him. So he's gonna put a lot of that back on. Yeah. I actually, you know, down with one sixty five by the way. Yeah. I don't care. What do you think? They're weights would be when they step in the cage. Well, it depends. What they if it's a one fifty five or one sixty five I actually was in favor of the 165 not for a belt. Remember mad? He's fought voice Gracie at a catchweight like old guard versus new guard. That's the kind of fight that you don't need a belt for my pinion. You know what I mean? And so I understand that wanna tied up in Habib's. You know, his time is very valuable you want to defend the title, but I wouldn't have painted it. So it would have been one sixty five. I wouldn't be surprised if he if he walked in like one eighty five you know, what I mean? But the answer your question, I was I like to dance around and invade your questions, usually when you asked me these. Tough ones. But I think that George has always had more tools than hubby hubby certainly knocked down Connor in that in that fight. But, but I don't that was kind of a shocker I don't think that I don't think progress expecting the rate that kind of thing. I think it would be I prime GSP worse. Prime of EIB. I'm going with GS p where p is right now. I think it'd be a damn close fight. Who would I pick? I I'd probably pick pick George really I think I would he's more of a gentleman. So yeah, it's fine. I don't know. Maybe you know, today would pick George. I would go back on this fight was happening. November MSG heavy God, I would pick George and then I would pick. I really think it's what do you mean you pick Georgian hubby because I was back and fall, I would I really was right now saying George, but if we what if we talk about this again like another week. I would be like the other way, it'd be great. Yeah. It would be super interesting because like Connor I mean, you knew he was just gonna be able to get taken to you know, is going to get taken down. I don't know. That's really that's because that's the whole thing. Can't he take them down? And then beat him up in a ground. Pound. That's what does he mall's people? I don't I don't know. I mean, it it's really tough who's striking is better. I think you'd have to. Give pizza. Significantly. That's not even close. Right. And I think that I have wrestling maybe maybe better. But, but it would be damn close GSP as you pointed out from arg, great stats and information group, the he's at the most take down you'll see history. I mean, of course, he's fought a lot of fights. But still I mean, I think that GSP hub is in his prime GS GSP would be a little beyond his prime. So that's a factor too. That maybe would fall in in hubs. On him. But man is hard to imagine. Yeah. I mean, I what I said George I'll stick with it. But, but I I swear like tomorrow, I might like think I don't know he never could be could be the audience can't see this. And by the way, I Quin sedately. I'm wearing my much L expert Expos sweatshirt, and this has nothing to do with us p. But it does seem somewhat city I'm actually salivating at the idea of these two fighting each other just like us talking about it like stylistically, it's one of the best fights, right? Because b is just so relentless he so dominating on the ground. And then of course with his take downs. I don't know if he gets pita ground, and I agree with you his striking is better. Jeeze piece striking is better. Gosh. Kind of shame. But on the other end, you know, like I think it's unfair to the Fergusons of the world. So we talked about doing a story on this awhile ago about the never actually came into. This would be yen that list, we're. Absolutely discussed never put together, actually. Yup. Absolutely. Okay. So that's the Morrow. We have a few minutes left. We again, we do the whole episode on GS, but some other breaking news yesterday for supported by Brett Okamoto Via's peon, the has decided to move ahead with the middleweight division, and they have booked an interim middleweight title fight between Israel Sonya and Kelvin gasoline. Right now that fight is scheduled for April thirteenth that. Is. You have see to thirty seven. No six. Yes. Six very confusing. Six. However, it doesn't have a location yet for whatever it's worth. I'm hearing Atlanta's been discussed Houston has been discussed Abu Dhabi was discussed. But once Abib decided he would not fight that was knocked off the table MSG was discussed, but no longer in play from what I'm hearing in any event. It's an interim title fight. We talked about this a couple of weeks ago on the show and we've been talking about it for the last couple of weeks. Jeff, let me ask you. I did you see this one right with? The pairing with booking now that we know the Whitaker's out for at least the next few months until maybe July August did they get right with the pairing? And did they get a right with the interim title fight? Well, you know, you know, how I just spies interim title FIS. But in this case. Both of these guys were promised a championship fight. You know, gasoline was supposed to get the challenge of that guy cancelled. And Sonya was was put in that fight with with enersen Silva and said if you beat Anderson Silva, you're gonna get a title shot, so incense you have see, you know, paying off the the debt to these guys. Now, I know that the OC often doesn't come through there with the promises of the issue to their fighters. But in this case, they're giving these guys what they promised them. They would get in terms of the fight it self. I mean, it's it's the fight to make how what other fight is our to make if you're if you don't want to wait for Robert Whitaker than you have to have these two guys fight, and it kinda solves another issue. Which is let's say you were decided, well, we're just going to wait for Whitaker. Whether which one of these guys do you give the fight to Sonya certainly was promised a title shot with his last win. But I would have given it to gasoline. If it was if Whitaker. Was going to be defending his belt. I would I would put gasoline back in there. And I think out sign you would scream bloody murder. So the way you saw that is the put those two guys in there. The winner Feis fights against Whitaker. I would agree. And I think I'm with you that interim title fights are really horrendous. And when that is put together that's seems like the perfect time to do it. I don't think Whitaker should be stripped because I mean, he had a collapsed bowel. And hernia like every time it's not says that by the way, like I cringe like that sounds awful. Like, I would never wish them worst enemy, by the way. What about two weeks in Rhode collapse bowel for Whitaker collapsed lung for puff elder and how about Sergei Kharitonov Trump? Yes, nailed in the groin kinda growing. We have those three injuries were laid out in front of me, which one do I want. I don't know. I'm not going car time on ESPN dot com. Yes column. That's a great one. That's which this Opole for us. There's our next poll it'd be on the but Hari ton of doesn't require surge. Three of any kind. No. But but he did get hemorrhoids as it was not. I was like. That was not a pleasant experience by any means. I just just going out of this. I would say just Whitaker should not be stripped. That's not that wasn't in his control. It's like he's refusing flights. The guy literally fought multiple rounds against well Romero with a broken hand. It's like it's not based on toughness or anything like that. And I know Dana loves him too. All that. I do think this is probably the mattress to make. I would feel horrible for Calvin gasoline. If just because of what happened to Whitaker us Amir. Here's mere hours away from fighting for a title. And then just because outta Sonya is the hot rising star that he gets passed over. I know our boy New York Rick thinks it should have been outta Sonya over gas lem. I'm with you, Jeff, I think Aslam just because he was ready to go. He should have gone the shot, and you could always find something else. Right asana. If you didn't wanna wait. This is the fight to make though I think at this point. I was looking at the looking last night just to see who else can really have a shot and at the top of the list who else who else besides these guys is deserving. This sucker is split his last four wideman. Lost four or five. Romero's lost two of three it is this is this is the fight to make. And I think there's going to be some pressure on China. Just because he like I said he is this fast rising contender and gasoline. I think has a lot to prove as well worried that he's coming back to soon. No. Because it didn't seem like he took a lot a lot of damage in the Anderson Selva fight, I agree. And this guy like wants to fight all the time some crazy number in terms of say after the fight. I wanna take a little break that I've just fought, you know, what was it five days a year space. So you gotta take the opportunity because now he's able to come in there get the interim title, and that could set up this Whitaker fight that we've been talking about that. I think the you have C once best. Yeah. And you're right, Greg. You can't take the title, whatever. Even though he has never defended the belt that he won in two thousand seventeen but he was prepared to when when you will miss wait last year. So so even so that was even though he's he's had two fights where he's at the drop out. He was he was he weighed and he was ready to go. And and so so you you can't count that lack of title defence against him. Because it wasn't his doing so. Yeah, I think it'd be hard to take the belt and how about this nugget from Kelvin gasoline yesterday. He wanted fight on April thirteenth of two thousand thirteen six years later to the day. He's going to fight finally hopefully for UC title. So it's been a long road for him. Hopefully, he's healthy. At a sunny remains healthy. And we'll finally get that flight. Then Whitaker comes back. Are you confusing? Was that the top season against against your whole? Yes. So it's so he's in a sense these nother another guy who's like, flashy, kinky kind of thing. So and and I remember back then thinking, you know, this this kind of like sort of meat and potatoes, kind of basic wrestler, guys. How's it gonna fair against his flashy striker while he just took them took him out of his game? And so the the blueprint is out there, and we'll see whether he can do that against outta Sonya. Who I didn't think was the guy that I don't think he should leapfrogged gasoline. He did not he defeated a legend. But he did not defeat a top ten fighter in. Innocence, forty three years old. He's not in his prime anymore. So I think it would've been different if Israel went in there and knocked him out. I think there may be would have been a little bit different discussion. If he was he showed himself to be on a clearly different level, right? It'd be different. But when you guy was not a top ten guy. And you know, I mean look on you fought beautifully and won the fight. Clearly and all that. And he deserve the accolades come with that. But I didn't think it was a performance that would allow should have allowed him to leapfrog the guy who was sitting there waiting to fight for the title. So this is this is kind of best Lucien come up with this is again as we said a couple of weeks ago. This is when you really should institute in Trump title for reasons like this. So they got a right. I know we all roll our eyes. But in this particular case if you look at it in a vacuum. They gotta right last quick thing before we go. We have two minutes left. I'm still shocked that people are saying that Francis and gun who didn't knock knockout came Alaska's. I don't feel like he's getting the credit that he deserves on this one Mike crate, I've watched this clip a million times now, and I don't understand people. Don't see the fact that he. Hit him and that led to his knee buckling. Like I understand that his knee. Did a weird thing. Also, let's not ignore the fact that he walked out of the cage on his own. But like it was his power and his punches that led to that is the community not giving respect to Francis here. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I want to use the reference gonna go over the heads of of our young listeners. But as a little bit of a Allie Sonny liston kind of in this with it where this almost like a phantom punch Benton punch from from what I was in that group of NC the full on. I saw what I saw in Gano. He land landed a very short. Yeah. The cross uppercut right hand. Yeah. That kane. But what it was thrown in such where the camera angle was basically behind Cain. So you almost didn't see what was it. What you saw you could see in Ghana are moved toward him. But you didn't really see. I didn't see the way it lands head like sure, right? Well, that's what I was gonna say to which I think the angle that people are watching live. It wasn't a great view. Okay. But a million. But there's been all these angles sins. Steph still doesn't it. In the other hand, I'm saying that that while you're watching the thing live, you're like what just happened? That's part of it was he hit them. And I don't think he necessarily was knocking them out that punch think he wobbled them enough and the knee buckled as he waddled. And that was the end of it. I mean, I think if let's say his knee was fine. It might it might shook him up a little bit. And who knows what would have happened right after that? But once he hit him hit him enough to make the make him wobble. The waddling body. Yeah. The need buckle. And then then it's over so no respect from Jeff. You're on my side here. He is crazy power. Yes. And even a short shot like that. We'll send some now. Okay. So if you're the of see your Francis. Would you do next with them? Well, I think corm is still waiting for Brock, and that's the fight to make. And in my crazy to say he should get a rematch with steepest down. That's that's what I think it should be, you know, and then the winner could potentially face to do that or DC wants face Jones next. But I think the steep a fight is the best one to make right now. I was at that want to all three of us there. Like, it was like you said that the first round was mazing. Yeah. It was crazy up the rest of the fi wasn't amazing steep ages. Did what he usually does. I'm very curious. And this is what I was thinking. When I watched the fight the other night at ended, whatever it is twenty six seconds in. We didn't really get to see how much Francis really grew. Because we all know. Yes, crazy power. And he showed that, you know. So does he have better take done defense is he a better wrestler than he was when he faced steep. That's what I'm that's what I'm curious about. If that rematch. Good comes together. All right. We'll put a pin on this. Because we are at a time. I know we spent. Lot of time talking about George today. But I think it was a revolve charge of while. Yes. Well, done you're gonna go back to hometown and story. Yeah. We'll talk about it afterwards. We have a lot more discusses far as what happened last week, and what's to come and all that stuff more. But for now, we're at time. So we'll talk about it on a future episode or two of 'em mayor reporters, we share you guys doing this. I said breaking news, always fun. You have a lot of time to really digest. Everything is just all very raw. I was crying throughout. I'm happy that this is just audio again. Thank you very much, Greg. Thanks very much. Jeff. Thanks very much. Daniel one who listens? Downloads rates comments, all that stuff. More. Enjoy your Wednesday tomorrow coverage from Montreal us peace big announcement. You're at a time enjoy your weekend, by the way, you'll see pry this weekend PM to and plus Bill tour in Dublin. So a lot more discuss next week see them.

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Bonus: Grantchester Writers Room Reunites For Fifth Season Finale

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Bonus: Grantchester Writers Room Reunites For Fifth Season Finale

"This episode is sponsored by Viking Viking offers, an all new custom-built ocean fleet designed to bring the traveler closer to the destination with all Verandah state rooms, and assure excursion included in every port Viking by river, and by C. Learn more at Viking cruises dot com. I'm days. Lee and you're listening to masterpiece studio. GRANTCHESTER is a cozy kind of series with weight and charm, bursting out of the seems even as blood and murder lurk not so quietly in the background. You realize if none is the wife of God she's not a nun slept, bosses Mrs. That's all I'm saying. It's something grantchester stars like Lauren. Karst noted when they spoke with us here on the podcast. Low Line Daisy writes really well. That's the kind of sharp humor that she has, and she challenges people, and she gives good as she gets in a bit of a departure from a typical British television drama grantchester employs a writer's room and we were lucky enough to speak to a few of this season's writers, especial bonus conversation about crafting the false eden the fifth series. Writers, Coolum Joshua's Saint Johnston, and John Jackson join us here on the PODCAST, and in a first for us in a special video excerpt from our respective voluntary quarantine on either side of the Atlantic Ocean available now on pbs dot org slash masterpiece. This week we are going inside the writer's room. After and we are joined by daisy, Coolum John Jackson and Joshua Saint Johnston welcome. Thank you. Thank you hello? Thanks for having us. Writers rooms while ubiquitous in Hollywood are still somewhat rare British television. What does it mean to a series like Grantchester to have a team of writers working on season together? We all a day, multiple projects at the same time, which is often the case, so god is a funny one because you know this is like season five, so we touch would kind of know what we're doing, so we didn't. It's not like you need a big big room for like weeks and weeks and weeks to break kit. You don't need to go over the characters and stuff like that so. If you haven't done a American style written because I S- towns, really alien tomato are done a few, really different. nephew I. Tried American Stalinist Sometimes they started ten and finish full I. think any law. You're lucky if they lost move in three weeks I think American style is they lost six months and that from a am to eight PM. If you're lucky, yeah, I I like potential six so testified framework. Other way be doing this, which is like we didn't really like. We don't really sit down and literally figure out every every season every. Episode, really we kind of figure it out. You know we. We had a couple of days just thinking about what the themes were, and then we came up with a bunch of stories that we worked on together. That reflected that same and then mandates. That in your. Otani affects on my gym bowl. Sits on the dim bull I type. Me Back. Trying to drink in the public and. Back when we had pups. Background there were pubs I mean so you don't then sort of assigned scripts writers Goff Right. How does the process work on Grantchester? How much interplay is there between the individual episode? Writers in terms of making sure that those story beats lineup. So, we'll, every everyone will be assigned rapids age, and then really helps editors in marketing. Site Donnie all scripted a to is so the person who. He keeps the threat together across each episode to make sure everyone's connect up. And then I'll read. Everyone's grits was okay back and forth really is it just seems much more so? Faire attitude actually and I'm sure it's much more stringent in America than we are I think garages one one from the old school, which is quite like about it. It's Kinda like it was when I saw start I. Think you know why and not like that on a showers now? I think you know hopefully in a good way like reflected, but into in terms of extra this one I like I guess we just kind of funny story was that we mean days without trying to make Jewish coming due on similar. What story can we can come up with to Mike Josh what it so we? Whole kind of like Lsu. With a exactly. Like a drugstore kind of cerebral kind of episode that really focused on the moral ambiguities of LSD like Josh if we if we can't get jobs. That sounds much creditable. They one of the. Amazing things I think. You. Guys always do on anybody known series I. Guess We did have a day or a half day on season two, but I missed. It will fight, but you just come with this really complete vision of what this series is about. Now I guess the difference with a lot of shows. Is it's? Needs a really good story the week is the detective show. And is. Count you know, come up with the story of the week for people like me. who had just visiting, but then also justice? Of the week of is so good and what? What pints on that spree you want to sort of resonate with the the big Djing story of the season. I think it makes it incredibly easy or guess, rights vista ton up and do a good job in the theme. This year of it was about. Eden and ideas of of Eden and how really on how sustainable delay an were real happiness lights is amazing that after four seasons already you can come up with a really good. Thing that which works for detective show character his Vika, and is his like you haven't done it in any of the previous four seasons, but that's pretty exciting. So, when I ask about that sort of idea of Eden and happiness, we have this sort of overarching theme for this season. Being cost out of Eden. Leftist hopeless. Despair. Craving return to a place that was lost, but even though Jesus. Dieter cleanses of our sins. We still find ways to sin against each other. What sort of ideas does that spark? When daisy says that sort of what we want to explore this year, our use of throwing out ideas individually. Are you sort of in this case? How do you tie in an episode about LSD use and murder to the sort of overarching theme? How do those pieces come together? You coined it John Do. You remember you coined the phrase the about eating because we were. We working around this idea of everyone's in a lovely place and you know every. Happy like how it make cutting. How'd you refer typically in your like? Well, it's. The Food of Eden thing. Konica from three places, which was exactly that it was like where we finished season for the everyone. Was Wisconsin, on his, which which is not the greatest place to stop a drama season of anything like? Everyone's happy. What would we do? And then I, think one of the things that Donald Putting the wall of the bunker when we were story lightning, today's was that Macmillan quote. Communist certain time he'd said he'd never had it so good, so so we. We just kinda started to run with this idea. Actually we're in good times. And what does that mean? not, grant as a shower, and as as a place if you've have been there in the fifties is is that kind of Ex England? You imagine and I think everyone being if you've been on, it's. Never that simple, you can look back when it was going to miss. The is is in the show you know. Stocks like that, but then there's a murder. Miss much talk of as all kind of idealistic things. I think so. It was that and then. The characters were I'm particularly like well as a show of idealistic young man. This was like. Will was John's Antone Sean to take the series an and make it his, and what? What would will kind of Eden be undone then in the story just Kinda Cancun naturally from nightmares like let's let's find a bunch of different edens and kind of like. Exploded them I mean I guess we do but like. The reality beneath the EDENS. Sorry like they kinda can quite quick. Read it where we had I think at seven then we'd just sit. I mean what's intriguing to me is how you manage to track the characters journeys hitting those story beats while still advancing this sort of case of the week. Mentality clues have to be gathered suspects interrogated in which takes precedence. Is it ever tricky to balance the needs of the character arcs with the case of the week? Yeah. I think if Ruben on estate more enjoyable characte like doing that world and there's a lot of time where you just go just WanNa. Stay with Leonard. Miss it see an love them so much. Is a crime. It's trying to be satisfied with the crime and say do what you want to do is right, which is enjoy those cactus? Is that have you feel? Yeah I enjoy it a so of technical challenge of of Toronto, differently because you know, there's been a law that protects now in its and. Then is is done as many. She's not just tough, but there is something. You know it's. It's not long like less than an hour. You gotta get the booze. And kind of land, the which not make it obvious I mean I kind of enjoy it like in the world. Voting of that is kind of fun like retentions going into Otago's college. You know there is something fun about dropping your characters in today's world. It's because you know majorities always Jordan wherever you put in. The calmest gone I I. Know What you're saying about. The technical as they like some solving a crossword or something. You're incredibly good. I have made cyst, which is fine I may I may be enjoyed so much. I! Think I enjoy it too for me. Is definitely the hardest thing other because it? Has To be right, and it has to wear. Commend you know you'll get a note saying they didn't have that way. If something comes in nineteen, fifty seven of during. A we use that piece of evidence in the previous. So. You're going to have to use something other than. A Bloody candlestick whatever? I did want to ask me not having things like DNA evidence or cell phones or being able to trace someone's GPS. Does that open up story possibilities in a way that telling a mystery in the present day eliminates. The take a mobile phone. Then you create drama. My, you take the mobile phone out of it because. This jeopardy and you can't just go. Out and that I just think that. They have to be a bit more cerebral Maybe clearly and I don't think it gives you the chance. Have those conduct talks you can't even. People are like sitting. Like I hate seems like sitting at computers, and they just flying with thing and. I think I think some of the best like will enjoy savings on on the white to going fine. Declare like allegro were trying to use. Think. We tried to like Mike not just exposition requirements that they should kind of function on sea levels so. You get kind of relationship. Be there as well retracing his steps. American Mumbo Jumbo. Lot answer for those Americans. Can you finish this conversation you hand? Suppose you got used to losing stuff living in a stately home. And Yeah, if you could easily says then you can use what is migrants. He's I think often the best ones. Do you ever write murderer roles with specific actor in mind. Ali, Dimsdale is wife. Zoe Tapper for example plays homicidal cigarette, girl, Betsy and episode three mean do right those roles with an actor in mind. You say this would be perfect for X. or Y.. That was M wasn't an Emmett producer as massive. Go crush on on. Sorry Tapper, so she's been trying to get her in the show for ever. It's like Tarot Gatorade so I think some people have favorite actors like Julian Glover in the Christmas episode. You like Oh. My God, we got Julian Glover. You have these moments where you have a wish list, and then sometimes it happens. You're lucky. You got some good ones they did. You got stuck on a judge. I can work with anyone in mind this I. Mean One of the things which is such a joy hemmings right for. Gays as that. Stacy just created always has been incredibly strong clear voices, so and then they were. There is a try to the great cost and obscene will is new, but he's great than lots of rigs who actually take couple lots of the screen story time and time, and so you've got all these great acts Already you could just his. Easy to write off from the tapes closing. Because you just know how they're going to make a line work, you know what would come out mouth. And so actually it's quite nice. Having other actors in so the other parts yeah, y'all I, agree I i. think like some of the especially the comedy I think plays like tested so good. Let me see Mississippi. It's so good. All of them really can do it, so you don't have to over over Think sometimes you just nuggets going to be funny just. Something you just have to find the right way. And it'll be yeah. I get got the nights from Emma to give Mrs C Mo looks and less lines. She was. Coming back with lines when she would. Just give him the look online when Mrs Secrets Look Priceless priceless maybe. I think the show does have a really good like people want to do the show because they hear the nice time on it I think because the main car I can imagine you're a of actor. He's coming in and out shows. The main cost is really important, and my Aubain cost a really nice to people you know. Make them feel welcome. Say I think that's part of it as well. That's why we get such good people. Before this next question, a brief word from our sponsors. Castles and Cathedrals Vineyards and Vistas Viking is dedicated to bringing the traveler closer to the destination along the great rivers of Europe, offering a small ship experience, but the shore excursion included in every port. Learn more at. AJWS DOT COM. This. Season is the most explosive, thus far resulting in a fifth episode reveal. That was horrifically saying not just to will Davenport to the viewers as well we talked about this a little bit daisy, but where did this idea for the VIC Morgan revelation? Come from? We have a newspaper John Official Abu or maybe I brought in. It was about. How were these ways rehabilitation? They Rio these kind of places where. We will will will be into that that kind of idea of. Rehabilitating criminals and setting them on the right path in in his Fokker so persona, so we started from that and then we just. Know How to do it, John or I think that but I think it was like the the what we thinking what is back to that theme? What is was kind of Eden and the idea of this displace, which was kind of supposed to be inspiring and based on kind of work and. Spoke saying, but just as place which was like this father figure in Vic. Thanks into the. Police. Begrudging. Will come up. Ladies and gentlemen this man as literal. God sent so you've? Done under Garcia head. Be An inspiration. and. Were being mean to what I think is what what is great spice, and how we make you know what can. How do we kind of have the full of of this place? 'cause they match what the series is really about. NIP growing up. What made you supposed to talk about? This is the series where we'll grows up realizes the well, there's an. Perfect yeah. It's sad, really sad. We know that but I think. That is I. Think the best at. The whole series lays five somebody's. And the. Yeah I mean it's it's well. It's just a well done all of it. But it's hot. It's haunt harder. I'm curious about how his writers. The team wove those little hints and clues about Vic throughout the season. How much did you collectively WanNa hint at what he was without hanging a lantern on it. Say Emma gave me a really clear night, which is hints, not a tool and do anything that I could to just make fit audience. Love Him and trust him and re him. That were. My netflix episodes just full. And low some really good night because we want to with will in some like win that Shaw comes. We wanted to be completely soaked. Yeah, and that was I space that was they were hints of it. They're in the in the when matty tries to. Rope the cinnamon is obviously comes from a place of he's desperate to out, and he just can't say the words and he's only. If you look back, realize that's what's going on, so we knew. We wanted peace, but that was the main thing, wasn't it? Make him and also Ross naboth actress. You just want to give him a cuddle because he's. He's really nice if that's. Any. Good playing killer guy. Yeah. Just as long as we wants to be with well with George, those both I mean is as you know. I think naive is too strong, but we had decided know was kind of innocent innocent. He look it up to him. Ba He shopping off the I. Think if there was any sense that there was something off with this guy, he wouldn't have stood for. Send in much. The boys on weeks of use the fact that will and VIC bonding and joining. You know call a jealous about it in a way as misdirect. Jordi-. put anything he was off about it was Alex. just being silly and maybe I'm being jealous about that. It's almost he's blindsided by what it really is, and will serve lucky in a way because you know. He's kind of these two father figures to choose from that the idea of being pulled by thrice, contemplating blinds who it is argued that. Maybe. For tonight, no I think he doesn't like him, but yes, you're right. What exactly what you said, but he's he's twisted. He's losing Wilton. It's the father figure so in a subtle way. But. That's the thing that I I think it was a case of not putting anything over in so that they could blame the any any kind of has a back of the neck. Feeling about this card, I could ascribe it to other things and not to that I. Think was if there was any sense, Jordi, or will something like that? Then they would never. Shot couldn't have happened in it for you'd have been guessing. Did He C.? J. J. D., C. coming no, not at all. It's only it now three times, so it's only going back that I. keep seizing onto these small moments like that's a hint that's a clue, but going through the first time I had no idea so it completely me by surprise. It was just a horrific episode to watch because you did feel like. Will that you'd had the rug pulled out from beneath you and your whole world view of shaken by the fact that this guy who seems innately good like do-gooder is actually the face of evil. It was very traumatic to what? I think especially because will's reaction to it is so devastating. We are devastated as well. As important you guys told the story in that way, because that is, that seems to represent the reality doesn't Jimmy savile thing and creating that persona that is. Like a character from Eden? You know someone who is helping boys and. I figured in the world that allows them to get away with doing what they do. That's what you're decides isn't by him. Kind of everyone was fooled by him. Say That's how they work these men. gave me this great night's. which is way grooming the viewers in the same way that you know he's grooming. His grooming will. and. That is that such a great Samantha for it because it makes it, it is the thing that makes it work APP yeah. I think it was in the air in the atmosphere. Isn't it was the WHO asked me too? Movement was happening it was. kind of swirling around I. Think you just pick up on those feelings? Will Chase against Amelia's new relationship and his guilt over his father's death, Leonard stands up to his father. Kathy deals with her mother's bipolar disorder and her childhood trauma. Was it intention to link the theme of Parental Child relationships this season I mean it seems as though every one of the characters are nearly. Every character is suffering some form of parental. Trauma in a way. Yeah I think that was. I think we started with. Why did we? But I. If medically it fits into that thing of growing up people shedding the sorts of things that holding them back like your episode Josh with Kathy and her mom in a sense she has to. Let go of that past. That's been holding back. Yeah and also a minute volts to me. Like a really important thing I mean he said will is a good place, the stocks of season five and he he thinks he is. Is Is. Vat Long since his father blew his brains out, having been responsible for another person's debt in fights, so will still has a led to work through these working through hit really badly I not to. I think that that's just that was just staring the backstory. The final image of the season finally brings will back to what is important to friends and family around him is this will finally realizing that he has found Eden on earth after all that it is sort of within these people that he knows. This but we were talking about. George John How dare. You find the tree. She within that. Perfection Yep to strip away. Affection and Desai while I have is good enough. What I have is is perfect, and it's also a way respect is, and that's what yeah. It's about family for him. He has found his family and that's why I'm really excited about in the next season is just really exploring will probably within that makes Joe John and I have to spend A. Way. I asked Tom Brittany about this, but I'd love to pose this question to the raiders. Well, this season ends on will's birthday after he's given up his vow of celibacy by sleeping with sister. Grace is the fact that it's his birthday intentional. Is this intended to sort of be seen as a rebirth of sorts for Wilda of import. I think. It's really terrible. I just did it. 'cause I really like the idea that he's trying in bed with a non and he just goes. It's my birthday today. Today. Today. Hello. At. Today. That's. Right, He's growing up, he's. And he's stopped believing that in this impossible kind of way of living. so He's free to. It's free to go off and have fun series six. I think I was at the celibacy was a big part of the even thing. Was this idea that there was like the so affection that appeared? that. We must keep this I. Don't know why it's Alva fallible idea. You Must GonNa. Put in too much stuck in something which probably you know if you're not tracing, be bothered in the worry about you celibacy it. It was so so. That was the net true, no that that's where like to. Maybe not with a none though. The a bit crazy that point. After neatly. With season five wrapped in a six season deck Yay. What are some of the ideas are themes that you are looking to explorer in this upcoming season of Grantchester? Again we store quite quickly didn't return, but it was like two days and then. Jimbo again you came in Selma Jim. So it's about justice versus injustice and the idea that within justice. That can be you couldn't you can fulfill justice in the law? You can get results. Somebody can go to prison, but is it always just to do that? Is that is the right thing and it sort of with that giving too much away about challenging duties belief in his job as a powerful good which blind. Let's face it. Somehow we've managed to get ahead of the curve on that one. Because of the whole black lives, matter and everything feel like. When does police work? When does except over into something? slightly. It was the the more versus the legal I. Think it, Yeah. Another another. Interesting because I think that's that's will enjoy the right. Georgia's the league. And what was the moral at both of them? That's Kinda archetypes, but I've got room for maneuver in that, because that's not necessarily to churches was right, either and it's not necessarily to say you know the the lower is both of them Kinda. Know that, but I find themselves in in different places paycheck basically putting them both in impossible situations the series. which test them and their belief in their work? It's good. I think I'm quite excited on Riddick site is it's morally and I think we're you know the idea of like a biggest story as well as episode Stories Story to. Write three. Yes, but as ever hopefully really engaging stand-alones. Obviously. GRANTCHESTER tends to be six episodes. Each season season six has eight. How does having this extra installments changed the way that you structure story? Is it more real estate to explore character dynamics or to tell a more complicated season-long plot? It was Genoa it was so much easy with eight. Because I think sometimes because it's six, we find. All we would tell the story like we want to do with Kathy and her mom, but we have to park that to do well in vic or if we had a F- sites that we have done so much more with Kathy, her mom I think can just a bit more breathing space. I think, don't you think? You'd. Wasn't they one season where we were going to do it and we storyline. and. It was hard, but we figured out we had to do something a bit different like commit six. You can almost. Series store. You can tell one story, but I think that you need to Kinda walk. needs to do more need an extra couple of. It just needs to be bigger all you need to find compromise to two big stories that you can play next to each other as you just. Got Ta stories of intersect really am one of the second half slightly more is good because we. Many good cost. It's just nice to use them. Because they were brilliant into your dislike I down, never knew molenaar Damore everyone really. So! I think! That this is the season that Mrs C- Becomes a serial poisoner and she sort of poisoning everyone. No. I would love to see Tessa as a murderer though that'd be great. But no I I see right. Key every single day is attributed across. Series but. She's got away so long. Guys, thank you so very much. Thank you daisy John and Joshua. This has been fantastic. Thank so much. Bad. The summer of mystery continues with a thrilling new season of endeavor, and later this fall, three bold new series come to masterpiece, vanderbilt, flesh, and blood and road kill you like. You were told about the briefing. I take it it was. 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Rediscovering the Beatles' 'White Album'

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41:23 min | 2 years ago

Rediscovering the Beatles' 'White Album'

"Hey, I'm Brian. Hi, this is Rolling Stone music. Now, I'm in the studio, rob Jeff and Andy green, and we're going to talk about the white album. There is a money mental reissue of the white album out with remix and like something like eighty seven bonus tracks, which are for one super essential and interesting, maybe not every single one to super central. But it it's a really cool box said what I wanted to start out talking about is something I haven't addressed with rob off the air yet. But it's ending. I were talking about this so Giles Martin is the son of George Barton. Of course, the Beatles longtime producer, and he's kind of in charge of all these reissues and one of the things he's doing is remixing the albums. I really like the sergeant pepper remix it fixed some things that were that were quirky and kind of interfered with your modern hearing of the album, the odd stereo. Smith and stuff, though, I would not want the original mix, you know, vanish from the earth. But I started to get a little bit uneasy personally with the white album remix is I would compare it to not exactly, but, you know, so George Lucas did special editions of Star Wars started changing it, you know, and he film new stuff, which is crazy comparison. Well, yes, it's as you said, it's a little obviously, it's not a direct apple to the degree to- draws. I just a tiny bit which is two things. What he does. Is. It definitely makes it sound more modern, and that's good. And it's worrisome to me, and what would Johnson, and I'm sure you can speak to this minute. He said an interview today with variety that he's he's not worried about guys who are going to be a being in been listening to it for thirty years. This is for young kids who've never heard the Beatles before which is all well and good. But it concerns me he talked about wanting, you know, Blackbird to stand up against an Ed Sheeran tr. That to sound just as modern as Shirin track. And to me, that's where you get into special edition territory because the other thing towards it was, of course, he's he he scrubbed the film of you know, it's grain and made everything look more modern just it's fine. But what if what if over the years, the original mixes get sort of like shoved down in the streaming services, and this sort of revamped history takes over the real history. And which to me doesn't have the same motion punch. Sometimes rob what do you think? I I'm not sure that any this bother would all know, it doesn't bother me at all. I I take his comments in variety with a grain of salt. And I just go with what he's actually doing. What Giles always says is he's just trying to get the sound of the addition to be more like the sound of the original tapes. And at as he says to put this on a piece of vinyl nine nineteen sixty eight required all sorts of levels of compression, his analogy, always Instagram filters. And that all he's trying to do is take the filters off that to fit this onto a. Mix of an album in nineteen sixty eight you had to put all these filters on it. He's just removing the filters. He's not adding anything that isn't there? And he's not changing the balance of the instruments. It's it's you know, it's just a thing where he's he's removing some of the filters. I bought that until this one that was I until this Yang until the white album one. I bought that. With sergeant Pepper's. This is just this is something just we're talking about him. And I think it's it's it hits certain people differently. This one he did say the he at one point he policy to the point where even he thought it was too policy. It sounded like steely, Dan, specifically is what he said not I literally silly down. But just as far as the sonic clarity of steely, Dan record. So he pulled it back. So he's aware of this issue. I guess there few times I was listening to I just felt like the that. It was somehow interfering with my emotions attached to it as I would say, it's all about the emotion. And somehow it's just but it's hard to say. And I think we're anyway you. Well, I think that you could be attached to a flawed version of it that's been floating around for a long time. It wasn't their actual hope of what it would sound like. And it was on the tape. Sounded is rob said will the the tapes. It's just weird about what the tapes on like. Because inevitably what the tape sounded. Like is. You're always going to be mixing. You can never hear a f- a multi-track even mix without some degree of of interference. So the mid it's just it's just competent. I think he may intend that but inevitably there's going to be some alteration. And it's just actually the question of whether I think, it becomes a question opinion. Whether the listener feels that he fully just recaptured what it was originally there or altered it, and I guess just becomes opinion. I mean, I will say something like helter skelter, you do feel the impact of it a little bit more. It does sound for example, more like nirvana to me. I suddenly was like this is Nevada like literally. And it's possible that that's. We're sort of making it sound a bit more modern in the mix might eat might add the reception of at the reception of it because helter skelter is one of the songs Paul played with with Chris Nova Celik Dave Grohl sandy benefit over. Maybe they just use that track for this. I don't mean it's literally gonna pay helter skelter pulsa. But you know, what? I mean. Yeah. Yeah. To me. It's funny. I interviewed Ringo Starr the other day, and it was funny to hear Ringo talk about how much he loves the new version of the white album just because you can hear drum so loud and long long. For instance, a song that was really like bizarrely muffled on the original mix very mischievous in terms of volume and mastering on previous versions of the record. And that long long. Now sounds basically the way it always should have sounded let's hear it helter skelter, I. Back to the top. Yeah. For me. I will say the number one most effective remix. And to me, it's it's pretty different it hits it hits harder. And then let's hear long long if we can. So it really may be attract track thing. And again, I mean, it's also is it is ultimately a bit of a reinterpretation. Just I think inevitably and I don't think that's bad either. I think it's just more weather, in some cases, it might some people might like other some tracks better than ever. But I mean that said I really enjoy some of these like Beatles. Rock band was the ultimate example of a deconstruction interpretation. Absolutely stone cold love that. So there's room for that as well. But I guess in general I prefer a really good remastered like they didn't two thousand nine that sticks with the original mix. But you know, right. But they Mark this as the twenty eighteen mix, and this hopefully, always did this whole hopefully, always be labeled as its own thing. And the and the old one will be there and the nine version into different ways to experience. It argue with nine version is just a rematch. Right, right. Yeah. But it still sounds different. It does. Soup. I mean, in general, rob you wrote a great book that we've talked about before it is streaming the Beatles. And it's quite essential for all Beal's fans. But where do you see the white album in the Beatles? Cannon end, how did this massive reissue change the way you see the white album and the Beatles white album? It's it's one of a kind in it doesn't sound like any of their other records anybody else's records. There are playing was really good acoustic guitar playing really good all these songs have different sort of just sound from anything else. They ever did that these spent five months making it. And of course, the legend that day kept telling in the seventies was about how miserable it was to make. And of course, everybody knows Ringo quit the band for two weeks. You know, that's a sign of how desperate things got George Martin eventually bailed on this sessions. But to me, the the real sort of shocking. Revelation about listening to the new verses specially with all the the new extras there's four. Discs of extras, including the legendary Issur demos, which have never been released before and just to hear just the camaraderie, and how much fun they're having it as a band trying all these different approaches to me really kind of forces me to change. I think it changes the way we think about the white album. There's a lot more going on emotionally and creatively between them than than we thought up to. Now. Let's one of the things that Giles Martin said is that he had to reevaluate the whole idea of this as each Beatle making their own soul album, and then jamming it together for white. I'm because it you can hear that. That's not the case on the user demos, which I was pleased to learn ten minutes from rob is not Esther as always thought. And I also learned from rob that Issur is the it's the name of the town that George Harrison's cottage was in. Is that correct? Yeah. Georgia's bungalow, which is called kin fons, and they got back from India and the L got together at the end of may and George had a new home taping machine reel to reel and they did demos of their songs. The songs that they wrote while they were in India. And it's the only time in their entire career that they demos songs before going into the studio. So it was a totally different approach in the Easter demos voice heard them on on crummy sounding bootlegs. It's just phenomenal hearing them to in their pristine state. Yeah. I was thinking a, but the basement tapes by Dylan as I was listening to them which is very time period. It was it was a few months earlier, obviously about a but a year, but just to hear them in the raw form in someone's house win with amateur taping system is just incredible. I wish that there are more Beatles things where you can hear the songs in the raw form. Listen to to Georgia's song not guilty on each demos. Which of course is the song famously went through one hundred two takes in didn't make the album and to play at the Easter demos. It sounds perfect. It sounds finished. It sounds good to go. They could've just put that demo version on the album instead of piggies for sure. And yet they had a hundred more takes to go without anything to show for it. Not guilty being famously asong were George seems to be addressing the situation within the Beatles. You agree with that interpretation? I I certainly think that that certainly seems to be the mood of the song the part when he's literally like fuck you Paul. I thought was a big. Oh, wait. Okay. Now. Exactly backwards. Yeah. Yeah. But what makes you think that this is about the Beatles? Go the. Well, it's you know, George songs he tends to be in his somewhat grumpy mood to George that was this sort of spiritual state, you go into to write a sell you a magin you're in a grumpy mood and a song just follows. It's even though even when George was having a totally, you know, bio counts, George in nineteen sixty six was having an extremely fun life. But he was still writing songs like love you to where these really drone in bummed out that that was his songwriting news. It was the one beetle who decided it was a good idea to complain about his taxes on record, which which I always say were extremely higher ninety eight percent to be fair. They were ninety eight percents and even how taxes work you don't tax the street in order to pay for your carts the other way around. Yeah. Dr. Dr tax your cars. So they can pay for the street. Do the national review and stuff always making lists of the top hundred conservative rock songs of all time. And it's always number though is number two do won't get fooled again as always there, George also has that line. I'm not here for the rest. I'm not trying to steal your vest. Which is just like I gave up on something to rhyme with rest. I think unless there's some there's some vest situation that that George was really he was a little slack with the rhymes. Always you know, like when you listen to a song as great as while my guitar, gently weeps, and you think, wow, this song went through all these painstaking revisions all these different versions, and they still kept the line. I look at the floor. And I see it needs sweeping like it's clearly guy who's committed to keep the filler line at all costs higher truth that if you go back and rewrite at you're losing some some everybody listening just kind of let that line slide past them, including me, I just let it go. And now you have to bring it up. And now ruined the song for everyone and a lot of the white album. It's never. Sounded better to me that the five point one surround sound makes his fantastic the new stereo mixes fantastic. I was loved the mono mix people always complain about the mono mix. I love it. Let's you're not guilty. By the way, before we get to far from each Chevy's your version. I think we have that running. Now. But then he finished ten years later. Right. Rub. Yeah. He's put it on his nineteen seventy nine. He was probably just so much like post traumatic stress disorder from playing the song one hundred times with the Beatles and still getting cut from the album, it took years for him to be able to go back to it. That was the same time period where he made here comes the moon. Right. Yes. Which is phenomenal saw. Here comes the moon is every same album is here comes the moon. Every bit is good. Is here comes the sun. Really? Yes. That's a great loss. George song. We we could you know, George seventies was really like. Yeah. So what else jumped out from the demos for you? There's it's funny. We were talking about the Beatles and the revelation that they were actually having fun. A lot of the time they're making the white album. There's this amazing version of good night that until was totally unknown. Unruh murdered on bootlegged. It just seems nobody knew. This existing and it was funny because when the first time Giles Martin played it to me this summer. I went out to be road to hear these things and he played it for me. And I'm sitting there in shock, and he says, yeah, you listened to sync together and he'd say this is the white album. These guys are so together in it's just absolutely beautiful. All four them singing, which is a relatively rare occurrence, he Robert a great PC should check on a Rolling Stone dot com about good night. And what we learn about it from this album. But I will just tell I'm not into like personal how I I heard the song stories, but I will tell this one which is in a way, it's it's it reveals I didn't actually listen to the white album until very late in life. So I was like nineteen years old because I didn't get into a big Beatles phase until pretty late in nineteen years old. I'm listening to the white album. And I think I was like lying bed like sort of on a limited phase between taking a nap in the afternoon. That's the kind of thing could do in the day when you're nineteen years old, and I got two good night. And I had sort of fallen asleep and woke up by the celestial ridiculous celestial thing of choir that, they. Good night. And until that moment, I did not know that good night was a Beatles song. Good night was a lullaby. The my mom saying when I was a little kid. And so I heard it and I thought like probably fall asleep. I thought maybe I'd died, you know, because like a choir of angels was saying that is probably the most phenomenal introduction to a Beatles. Song ever that said that version is not it's Ringo singing as you wrote. It John was uncomfortable with the tenderness of him singing this lullaby and of being recorded singing, it he didn't even really wanna sing in front of the other guys. Right. You were saying, yeah. He he he just you know, he ran it through to teach it to Ringo. But then he didn't even want that version to be recorded. There's there's no versions of it that exist, but it's a it's the version that's a take five and take ten it's it's local from take ten and the guitar from Johns playing this finger picking style that he learned in India that all the Beatles picked up from. Donovan I normally I always like, I always disbelieve on principle when anybody claims, they taught the Beatles. A trick. However in this case, I will give Donovan this, man. Who's obviously very fond of telling stories about his vast influence on other musicians. But in this case, no, it's it's Donovan taught them this. This London folk finger picking technique that had such a huge impact on other guitar playing 'cause they had nothing else to do in India for fun except play guitar so Julia is a song has that pattern. I'm trying to remember what else your prudence? Yeah. Yes. So happiness has warm gun a little bit. But here is lending applying it to good night, which I don't think even has a guitar on the finished recording. 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But for all them singing on on that. And that no one's ever heard it it just hits you a sledgehammer. I think I don't know. In terms of like, the different approaches to songs this. This is the one where the version that didn't make the album, I'm wondering, you know, at least I've always loved the version on the album with the orchestra and the harp and the choir and all the group this is this is the one where I was like. Wow. I wish they could have found a way to keep this one. We were saying in any word a little bit about that. That is Lenin self-consciousness is interesting here, and the beauty of the Ottoman arrangement is a sort of self mocking beauty. He was mocking the beauty of what he himself or the beauty inherent it when he himself created his the Lenin sort of self loathing and self consciousness is tremendous is interesting thing is it true that when the when the whole Manson helter skelter thing came out that Lennon said make sure everyone knows Paul song. Len for some reason, he really did not like helter skelter and always went out of his way to say bitchy things about it. It's weird that he couldn't he couldn't even give Pala compliment on this one. That's interesting because he felt that he was encroaching on Lenin territory. Yeah. I suppose it's a song. That's made it more aggressive than usual, Paul stuff. If it more experimental and John didn't like that. But with so cool on the set is to hear the thirteen minute version of it that I'm reading about for years and years and years, I had never heard the damn thing because they didn't ever been out there. So it was it was amazing to finally hear the long version of it. It's very Sabbath -i. Yes. And around the time that Sabbath would just yeah. Like, it's really kind of crazy to think of the time line of what if people had heard this nine hundred sixty eight what else jumped out at you this set in general, the issue demos are always again, just tearing them to it. It has the Beatles. They they've come back from India. They have no idea that they're going to spend five months in the studio making each other miserable, and you know, like storming out on each other. And and insulting each other. At this point. They're having fun. They're sitting around Georgia's living room and just to hear them share, for instance. Julia the each demo of that is incredibly moving just because it's you know on the album. It's such a solitary Johnson. It's the only Beatles song. That's just John none of the others. And it's just him and his acoustic guitar and version on each demos. You can hear the Pol is in the room, and John is singing it, and for some reason that kind of forces me to reevaluate my whole life up to this point. My tire worldview is totally shaken, but the fact that John was willing to sing this song with pollen the room. Let's hear that. If we can. Say. And I was just thinking, rob. So these demos prove that they had the songs they were really fleshed out there. Gorgeous day sounded finished on almost. And so why it take five tortures months to get him on tape. I don't quite understand. Why was so difficult for them? It's really wild. They they really had a lot of ambitions for what they wanted to do as a band as opposed to search pepper and to some extent Abbey Road were putting pieces together they wanted to do this one at as a band, but it's weird that like you said like they had the songs, and and they had the enthusiasm which would certainly come and go during the five five-month spent on the wet album. It's well to think that they could have just gone into the stadium. Just bang this out, you know, in a week where they used to make records here they made rubber sole in a month. They just, you know, locked themselves up in played till they had an album, they could've done this one that way. And how do we square the whole idea that it was them? Splitting apart and make with this new collaboration. We know about is it they did. Right. More on their own than previous albums. I think that's what still stands true is that yet. But they're also they were physical proximity in India when they were writing songs, they were often, you know, that was kind of the last time in their lives that they were near each other geographically while they were writing songs and so they were writing separately. But they were still very much reading to impress each other and to show off each other and definitely trying to top each other. So you have to, you know, Paul writing really great, you know, fo- John songs like helter skelter and John writing really great foe Paul songs. Like like goodnight. But song like they had so many songs coming back from India, and they had so much enthusiasm. It's it's really strange like you were saying that that that it changed so much while they were making the album there is other stuff that wouldn't come out till the future. I I was. It's it's really freaky to hear mean. Mister mustard. And I think Paul Pam. Yeah. As well on there. And you're just like, oh here we go like they cost the universe and across the universe. But the what is a classic double album in the sense that there are songs that would never have made a single album. Is there anything that you would leave off the white album for up to? Everybody loves playing the game of you know, if it were if they had to make it a single disc white album, what are the fourteen songs he would keep honestly with the new version unforced as you know. Think of it in another way, why wasn't this at triple album, and what would a triple album, you know, white album would have had you know, pulsing junk, which is so fantastic on the east demos. He later did it on his solo album. But the each aversion is so great for people who didn't rose why there's a song called singalong junk. You know, of course, how could they not know that that was the song junk. But with the lead vocal remove which is a fascinating move on the part of Paul. Let's hear the version that is not singalong junk nonsense dunk. And then there's also sour milk sea. Which phenomenal sung amazing George song that that you know. Totally like it definitely should have made the white album rather, we can pick a few minor white album tracks, but sour milk crossover. I would gladly sub that for Honey pie personally Honey pie. Don't like. But bungalow Bill like these. I would much rather eighty six, but Sarah milk sees a phenomenal sung they gave it to the road Liverpool pal. Jackie Lomax at a top ten hit with it. But it's weirdly, unknown. Let's hear the Beatles. Issur demos. It is. It's a very very George song. It's funny that anyone else ever saying that now that I hear George singer. Yeah. You'd have to imagine yourself as know just being georgette his bitchy assed. You know, like it's funny that it's it's almost like it was too. Cheerful George song to make the album because if it doesn't complain quite enough about about the rest of it. He just by the image of being an sour milk sea. Which which I think how George saw the physical world really actually, I think that actually might be true. Then there's child of nature, which I think became jealous guy. Right. That's that's that's better. I think is jealous guy. What do you think? I think it's better as jealous guy when things about John. He didn't eat in waste a lot of stuff. He he kept repurposing outtakes for, you know, well into his solo career and for something like child of nature of putting child of nature and Paul has mother nature's son. They're both like, you know, responses to being like out in the wild and the countryside India and being all pastoral and kind of wasn't room for both of them. It's just too much natures and it too much nature too, much, bloody nature. But but jealous skies, such you know, I mean. I think we can all agree jealous guys with that song was always meant to be. And it's also like Lennon singing gels guy is much more appropriate than him saying child of nature. Let's let's let's your child of nature if we come. She. Just not convinced by John Lennon, just a child a major. It's like, no, you're not like. Paul wasn't a mother nature son at this point either the beetle who lived actually in London. The only one at this point pilot spent his entire life in cities up to this point there'd be nobody would have predicted that he would not just like moved to a farm all Rockstars do that at some point. But he actually liked living on a farm. It is interesting and vaguely hilarious that they you know, they spend how long were than India like not super lot different. Like, right. Paul was was about a four weeks Ringo was about ten ten days. He didn't like the food. He did not like the food George John were there for for months like three or four months furnace. I feel like Paul's one month like just essentially summer camp. All of a sudden, he's mother nature's son is pretty funny when you think about it, you know, what's the deal with what's the new marriage in. I'm surprised that even demo that song barely a song at all. It was a song that was basically unknown till the dollar G series and had a soft spot for what? What's the new Mary? Jane? It's a point where you know, John was going to get one totally wacko long border line on listenable track on the album. He couldn't have both revolution nine. And what's the new Mary? Jane? I really like what's the new Mary Janet, it's kind of a beautiful melody, the only problem is that repeats about eighty or ninety times that's sort of what I'm saying. The fact that he couldn't make it all the way through the demo. I have to admit. James? The beatles. Use the same skill that allowed them to make some of the most beautiful harmonies known to man to find these single most annoying harmony possibly find. I'm not sure what that interval is. But I think you know, it's like because there's so is third fifth. I feel like there's about a seven and three quarters or something just between all human notes on said, wait a minute lads. I found an even more bearable melody, it's called bungalow. Doing outlets have Ringo be the loudest beetle on it. See here's the thing. I kinda like bungalow Bill or take Brian a little bit. What are you gonna do? I'm obsessed with the very commonly known fact that the formica guitar of the beginning was with played I think because it offers so much for the recording industry. It's one of the first bits of music played by pressing a single button on a record because it was like a preset or whatever mellow trying to mellow Tron. Not whatever it was not a preset. It's all tape loops. But it was a tape loop played by God knows who had gotten those what points precept button. It was definitely like a, you know, in terms of, you know, using the military on in a way that would be very much expanded as as bans got more into it. But yet, it's it's funny that I guess like a lot of people in things like when you grow up with the vinyl white album where the songs all run together. So I was no bungle Bill from the last ten or twenty seconds that you get when you're trying to move the needle ahead to my guitar gently weeps, which is. One of the greatest songs on the record. And you kinda can't have the intro while my catarrh, gently weeps getting a little bit at end bungalow Bill much to my pain and chagrin over the years. He sure bungalow Bill help you at all there. It sounds. It. Sounds like, you know, as jell said. They're singing around a campfire. And they're saying I've got this song. What songs have you got? And that sort of collaborative disl- it's through a song out there sort of spirit that really infuses the whole wide album. So listening to the demos version definitely warms me to it. You mentioned a few that are not your favorites. What your other not favorites on the him? I realise I'm wrong this, especially since you know, I'm a pulse. Fanatic puffing tend to love. I will for some reason. I've never liked. That's don't get what I just do. Not like I will. It's never done much for me. Anything else on Andy? What are your highs and lows God. I love helter skelter. I like, oh blood d-. I know that song. It's always hated. It's always been like a personal favorite of mine. There's something about that song. I love. Oh, well that brings up. So in the issue demo it's pretty fast when they play in. So here's so, you know, one of rob is very fond of the anecdote as many people that Len was tripping on acid and came back. This is quite possible. It's all bullshit because fast food. If that out take from the album, you can hear that, you know, diversion. They were doing in the studio was very smooth. It really needed John's definitely slower and the intro on the piano was key. That John did that it's not all. But we'll say it wasn't like it was inherent in the song. The possibility was inherent from the beginning of playing fast. It wasn't like it was always some lugubrious thing that Lennon fully rescued as more of the he had the insight that he was paying attention from the beginning and wanted to return to something more. That's something that comes across. When you listen to the extras as well. Like that they're contributing so much to each other songs that they're coming up with ideas that they're you know, everybody's just serving the song and trying to make everybody songs better, which you definitely here in the east demos. It's still hard for me to learn that this is we've been like all Americans pronouncing it wrong, my whole life. But you hear that the really into each other songs into making them better. It's really funny to hear, you know, Honey pie or something like that in the each version or bungalow Bill where they're really like let's make this song as good as it can be even if there's a very firm ceiling on how good it can ever be. Well, we have the issue. Obey Di dot ready. So let's hear that rate. The sun quality of the stuff. Whatever it was. It was it wasn't some you know, I wouldn't have a cassette by back then. But it was a a real to real. Actually sounds fantastic. They were overloading the tape and hitting in just it just it just I mean, this is why people like Neil young say that things devolve because you would never get that fat compression from recording garage band or something it's just it was just basic equipment. But it just sounds amazing. And these were just sitting in a trunk like, you know, under under piles of other suitcases and trunks and luggage. Just in Georgia's attic, all these years like Livia just pulled it out for this version. The fans somehow they got their hands on them years ago. Right. Much quality though. So I thought the Easter demos. I was like I'm looking forward to hearing these cleaned up a little because I you know, I know the bootleg versions, but I realized just hearing them in this form is like a totally different experience because here just the intimate like you said like you hear what just what a great recording. It is in general one of the things about the white to me is it's where you hear kind of the Beatles stepping into a vein of kind of hard to say this correctly, but sort of just like basically modern rock like when you listen to it in not not like the radio format, but just in and I don't mean modern like in two thousand eighteen because God knows what that means. But it's just sort of like it's suddenly where it's like you can hear tracks that could be on a Radiohead album. A really Radiohead moment is the last couple minutes of revolution. One in the ten and a half minute version, and it's funny. It's a famous story. And it always heard this story at the firm. Dave recording Yoko shows up the other Beatles surprised to see her and she shows up on on the studio floor actually joins the band when they're playing revolution. One. And heard that story so many times is this is the beginning of the end, this is where it all starts to fall apart. They're having so much fun, especially in in the final minute, or so that jam yoke goes doing these electron account affects, you know, Paul is rocking the rocking out together. What instrument was she doing electric sound effects? It wasn't like a keyboard. But it was like a little like electronic feedback. Gadget. Not sure. Exactly god. Do you know? I saw I think I saw Paul playing with that. When I was in at handle exactly what you're talking about. It was he still has all these things. And when I when I got to be an Abbey Road with him joystick. Not a keyboard got I think I think I saw I think I saw Paul McCartney playing with that personally. Yeah. Which is which is insane. But he wasn't like oh, by the way Yoko play. But no, I one hundred percents on messing with that. That's wild spoke with Greg Kirsten about McCartney album. He was talking to me about this device that that policy had for over fifty years that he's still uses. That's that's really cool. Yeah. Basically when I did my mckearney cover story was supposed to be about his jazz standards album. But then he decided a good scene for the story about the dinners would be recording stuff for his next album. So it was all very confusing, but very exciting. And I also got to see him play. I sat and sat in the main Abbey Road studio where the Beatles recorded in watch them just play bass in the empty room for half an hour, which is the most interesting combination of like unbelievably mind-blowing life changing experience in like ever so slightly boring the ever experience because it's just a. It is just all you could hear what was base for half an hour, which even if Paul McCartney at around minute twenty-five, some part of you doesn't wanna omit that it's like ever so slightly dull just on some level. While also being like, you wanna capture every minute of it. So it's just anyone else. Here. What rhythm monsters that version of revolution one? It's funny because they use the first four and a half minutes of it on the album in just when the the point where the album version fades out, you know, the band was just starting to groove. They stretched this groove out and John screaming and yo- goes doing her sympathizes and seen love me do in the background. And it's just like this completely. They're all having so much fun. And at that will this completely ruins my whole narrative of the white album. It just shatters all our cliches about it. We're getting to know it all over again. And it's also like I think it brings to life this idea that it's just it's always more competent than because I'm sure all of the other narratives are essentially true. I mean, Ringo did leave Martin did leave. There was all this. Zandt meant there were problems. The band was going to break up soon. And yet even if just sort of like, even in a marriage. That's that's about to end. I'm sure people have great days. So it's just life cannot be captured in these simple little narrative. I just think it shows that when in the studio that soon as that light turn red that they were professionals and they worked together, and they still enjoyed it. That was their safe-space in in a lot of ways, and you were saying that we should turn our attention in our last couple of minutes to the stuff that's left in the volume Ringo to to talk about some of this stuff. Yeah. And he thinks go into Debbie road next which would make sense, but but that was just made a few weeks. So I don't think there's much there. But Paul said recently, they're finally going to let it be that the movie will be released with a new edit because he hates the old. So they'll be a new version of that movie. But the ideas that they would he doesn't like the fact that it showed all the tension in the band. Yes. And he's cast as the bad guy. He hates that. I was saying during the break are they gonna put jar banks into that version? Yes. Thank you. George Harrison, very nice. It just seems kinda crazy. It seems like we ran in history. But obviously, it's an incredible. Let it be as an obvious. Incredible mckearney. Yeah. And what's incredible? Is they have like fifty hours of footage of the recording the damn thing that that even studying on for thousand years the audio that's leaked out. But the film Thurman seen right, rob. Yeah. It so a lot of this stuff, you know, detention for new stuff if you wants to show theirs audio clip where Georgia's like, yeah, I've got this new song guys like and he starts like trying to play all things must pass. And John does not even want to hear this just playing Chuck Berry song. And that's when George gets up and walks out and John says, well, if he's not backed by Tuesday will replace him with Eric Clapton. In the George torches bed in the ban for ten years. And this is still how they treated all things must pass indeed in the special edition that the CGI Beatles. Then record it's going to take a lot of work. But there's gonna be a Beatles version of all things must pass it. It's it's the album event called all things was passing the Beatles. Stay together. It's just great. It's really version is really wonderful. Anyway, this has been today's wrong stone music now we were talking about the Beatles. White album reissue, rob Sheffield, degreen wicked probably a whole lot more about it. But we'll be back next week here. Sirius XM flying channel one zero six. In the meantime, we are a podcast. Download us as podcast spry to us podcast wherever get your podcast. Maybe a nice review on itunes, read them. All there's been a couple. Nice ones recently. They really appreciate also the guy who said bio pics conversation was pretentious, which I also appreciate and we will see you next week. And as always, thanks for listening.

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