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"geoffrey munn" Discussed on AA Beyond Belief
"Area he'll tell us about the upcoming conference. It's all right. I'm here with Gary s from somewhere in Arizona. Where are you from Gary in Arizona Sun City West on Sensiti West? Okay Okay and you're here to give information about the upcoming secular. Aa Conference in Arizona. Would you give us a little a little bit of information. Mation about a first of all. Where is it and win as well? It's at nine thirty in the morning. Starting on November nine at the Twenty Fourth Street Conference Center in Phoenix Arizona. Is this the third conference that you've had yes. It is their biennial. So we alternate her name with the internationals. Okay would you like to give us a little history behind the conferences. I guess that you've been to all of them. I have indeed. Yes I I we had just moved to Arizona from the San Diego area just just prior to the twenty fifteen conference and so I was able to attend that one and actually it was one of our meeting conferences when we first arrived my wife tonight. Virtually all of the secular meetings were on the east side so when we live on the far west side so the first thing we did was initiated. A couple the meetings here on the west side and in that plugged into the community which is growing thankfully the twenty fifteen conference had four different panels and there was a speaker on on starting a waft meeting twenty seventeen we we did it again and our topic material was updating. We have a tendency to update for the upcoming internationals nationals. Because as I said we enter alternate with those and then we seventeen. We talked about the secular steps in how people work the steps in a secular environment. However Har- people sponsored and what is the role of connection in the recovery community in our guest speaker? That one was Joe Joseph Toronto our now. We're getting ready for this year's so we've kind of picked up a format format that we're using and that's that's kind of what we're doing. We have someone from the international or the upcoming international national and and a author from the secular community well with pat along with panels which in turn allow us to you know. They're kind of falling in place. It takes a little time to get a conference system setup but I think we're finally dialing Yeah you guys have done a really good job you know I imagine it is it is. It does take a lot of work to put one of these together and am glad to see that there are more of of these regional conferences happening. I mean the ones that I know of now are wanting the gateway conference that takes place in Washington state the Arizona's regional conference conference. And now the the Ontario Conference. We've got three. That I know of that are regional conferences. And it would it would be nice to see others. Come on I like the the regional conferences. Because they're more intimate and usually the locations are such that it's easier to you know interact with people and it's not like you're in in like one place all the time you're having a unique then you this time year. It looks really nice. I was looking at it online. You're using conference center in Phoenix next. Is that right correct. And in the past we've been using a public libraries which which are nice except there's there's a lot of peripheral horrific Noise and activity going on so this season I had the opportunity. We started a little earlier so I was able to actually walk fine. What is this Conference Center and charing the committee this year and it's have some experience in doing things like that original service structure of am? Ah so that's allowed me to kind of insert the fortunate things about that formatting that kind of formatting we've been able to bring online into into this so it seems to be working quite well. This House's center is relatively small. It's a big auditorium or anything like that. I I believe that room maxes out at about one. Hundred forty is but it's got kitchen facilities and things that not everything has had in the past. So that's that's helping. We know so. We just did something. Kansas City not too long ago we had JOE AC- come down for an anniversary celebration and we used a facility that Holds about a hundred people. Maybe and that was that worked out really well for us because we had we had less than one hundred people so there was plenty of room for for everybody every body so I you know you don't really need a huge place depending upon the size of the crab. What kind of crowd are you expecting this year? We've we've been getting just shy of a hundred in the past and so this year we've been shooting for one hundred twenty or so and you know that's always contingent registrations. Who hears about this? I think getting the word out is is one of the great challenges. Having come from the San Diego Area I was was able to plug into some of that community so I hope to see some of those folks and and our community here. Phoenix is growing but like most things things in the community. It's everything in a has a glacial pace things growth growth in a anything anything new in a in which there seems to be a tendency to resist new things so it takes time you know. It's pretty amazing Kerry. I'm just looking at the website of the the secular. Aa Groups in Arizona. And there's a lot of them a lot we like. Sap soon as soon as we hit town we started voted to on the west side. The free thinker meetings but they're very small and persevere and it's Sometimes during in summer particularly they're very small because the Phoenix area population changes dramatically in the season. Where I live this small community that I live has probably sixteen thousand people during the summer and more like thirty five thousand during the winter? We'll get that on off thing because a lot of a lot of Canadians. North people in snow country and has been there winter's here so so all of a sudden our our population goes and but during during the during the summer you know. There's we have a few meetings in Phoenix area that are actually quite large consistently and so it's it is indeed growing but like Azad during this for a few decades now and I've if watched other committees and sectors of the fellowship and whenever something new you know if you're if you're established after ten or fifteen fifteen years you make a good time so so it's a it's a real patients game but I do believe that the secular community dirtiest growing we are a microcosm of the macrocosm in terms of population. So if you look at the. US population what happens in the fellowship. visit reflection of that. That's right. We are reflection of the greater society. Aren't we absolutely if you look at this statistic as moving forward were there more and more secular people within the US just in general and consequently we will inevitably grow in the row so then it becomes a matter of finding each other and we are pretty well accepted now Within the greater community I think for the most part I know we certainly are Surrey. And I I bet you are in zone two but it's no big deal to have a AA meeting without the prayer in increasingly. It's it is indeed getting better. There's there are people who can't handle. The lack of formatting sometimes are the formatting that they are not accustomed to but but I know our intergroups for instance are supported when we want literature. Or we you know a day. They helped us with our insurance for the confidence and everything One of Arina groups and more and more we are accepted and you know when we had our even in Kansas City. It just happened like a few weeks ago. there were some people from just regular traditional. Aa Groups to that showed up. So it'd be Kinda Nice if you could draw some people from other groups to within the within the Phoenix area. That aren't necessarily thoroughly. Secular noticed. Actually one of our topics this year is dogma and ritual in secular a and another others tolerance within secular. Because we have they're all ages in general has has the tendency towards zealotry. Sometimes I was kinda around when when secular age just started in a and chew often we we we had people who were willing to bash the traditional community and and so that frightened people away. I think there's less and less you. You don't think a lot of people who were secular came in with perhaps bad attitude about the non secular communities. Ma Shaw took got the opportunity. They the shot. Yeah my theory behind that. Is You know they always say that. A new. Aa meeting is started from resentment. Started with a resentment at a coffee pot. And I and I think a lot of our secular meetings started out of resentment for a bad experience that someone had with another Aa meeting so they learned about a secular meeting and I and they started it and then the people that would come to it were people that were already already had an experience with Aa but maybe a negative one because they were atheists and they didn't feel welcomed they're at their home groups the former home groups so I think that in the beginning of these groups starting there was a lot of talk about what a was like for these people we we experienced that in Kansas City when we start our meeting way after about a year of meeting we had people from other. Aa Groups started coming to our meeting and they had to vent about their experience of of with these other groups But then what happened with us and I think this might be happening in other areas too is the people that had had that experience or pretty much done venting and the newer people that are coming in. We're finding people coming into our meetings that have never gone to a previously. They don't have an. They don't have a negative experience with a with a traditional group to complain about the only way they know is a secular a meeting they. I do believe that's very that's increasingly true. And because we get new people who are. I've never come to a because I heard about all all I heard was the God thing and all I could see was the God thing in. It's just not who I am. So they they see the word for instance free thinker or Nostitz Austin can and so they we are indeed their very first experience and so they don't have to go through that curve serve sober ninety and had people who would take their index finger pointed in my face and say get caught her die. I and my sponsor who was a guy and was very very tolerant. Mike belief system. I never once tried to prostate allies with me. He just Sake Zayd Gary. Some of us are sicker than others. And Debbie. Kinda shrug it off. Don't worry about these people any of room for you but I was very very very fortunate in that experience because had I gotten zealot Proselytizing Zealot I may. Well have just left. Let's go through. Let's go through the the The venue the new but rather Arnold the program what you've got going on. So the keynote speaker is Geoffrey Munn. Who's the author of staying sober without? God Yes Jeff. Jeffrey will be our keynote speaker. And then he'll he'll be speaking about his experience Orient as well as He's had the opportunity to interact with the community as well and we'll also great go from a Mile Washington. DC will be kind and talking to us about the upcoming next year's conference in DC and then in terms of the way we do as people check in in register and so we have a series of speakers and or panels. Finals kind of stagger. Those and we'll have panel discussions. This year's panels are dogma and ritual and secular A. Hey tell me about that do you know much about what that entails. Yes actually I. I believe what's going on there is that there's we're we're I think we're trying to resist become a dogmatic as some of the other meetings are traditional meetings. have become over the years where you have this reading this set patter and and so. I think we're trying to keep the doors open to new ideas because of the resistance to to dot and and sometimes it's it's like I'm. I'm grateful that I believe that. Nearly every meeting. The Phoenix area has has a different formatting on some level somewhere and with meeting journ which is what we do on the west side with the free thinker meetings. WE THANKS FOR COMING MEETING NEW JERSEY NEXT DOOR. Now turn your phone back on. And there are others others said that choose to end with the responsibility statement and and and the the the circling up process so many of us came into the fellowship and Si- nationally and not everybody's comfortable with that not everybody wants to hold hands. You know it's about about being open to that. My wife Rosa..
"geoffrey munn" Discussed on AA Beyond Belief
"Today. I participated in the secular Ontario. A round held in Hamilton Ontario. It was a great success. There were well over hundred people. The conference people came from all over Ontario and other provinces in Canada People came from the United States. I'm I I had a blast. I left there just feeling so happy. I was great to see old friends who I've met at previous conferences to meet people who listen into the podcast. What it meant to them? It was just great. I'm still on a high from that so I didn't really have a podcast castrating for today. So what I'm going to do is I'm GonNa Post as a podcast. A recording of the panel discussion that I did with Geoffrey Munn. Jeffrey being the author of staying sober without God and the topic for the panel was the practical all twelve steps so now the audio quality is not the best. And that's okay. We'll clean it up later on For this recording as well as all other recordings which will be posted on our site and Youtube Channel so here it is the practical twelve steps with me and Geoffrey Munn. This is the panel on the Practical Paul Steps in there to the people as you can see who are on this panel. I'm going to introduce one of them. His name is John S and John is from Kansas City Missouri and he is the fellow who created the website a beyond belief and that was back in two thousand fifteen and I love the site. It's got for example new stuff of late lot of poetry news podcasts articles a little bit of everything and so that's John S and now Dan Lewis introduce the other fellow Good afternoon everyone. Hope you have a great day My name is Diane. I am an alcoholic high Jeffrey Mon- Yes. Jeffrey mine is a licensed marriage and family therapist in Santa Clarita California where he lives with his wife and and three and a half year old daughter and he has been involved professionally and personally in the field of addiction recovery for over ten years. He's also also the author of this Siberia Lists Book Staying Sober Without God so I read the second chapter after of staying sober without God on a agnostic right away. I thought I have to get that book. I ordered it on on Amazon as soon as it came. I read it in two days and after I read it iphone Roger and said Roger. We have to have Jeffrey Mine at Sore. So wow. We didn't have very much notice and Roger said wally. I agree with you but I said well what can be the worst thing that happens. He says no but he said yes and We were very very very excited that On such short notice and a long way came from California. I'm sure he's jetlagged It's it's my great pleasure and honor to introduce Geoffrey Munn and so would you please help me welcome Give Jeffrey and John. Uh a warm Canadian a welcome. I'm Jeff I'm an alcoholic addict I I have been sober for thirteen years March fourth two thousand six my sobriety date and I struggled a lot at first with With the theism Deism I guess is the word I'll use in the twelve off steps and at first I was so desperate that it was willing to give it a shot. I was like all right. Let's try this people are saying I can make my own higher. Power can write a list of qualities. He she it has and I'll give it a shot and I'll pray and I'll do all this stuff And I really did. I really gave it a shot. I really tried. I was praying morning and night. Really trying to give myself The opportunity you to seek God or a higher power And I like to think that I had a healthy skepticism Throughout you know I was I was really looking to see if anything happened and And I just felt like I was trying to force something that wasn't working thing for me promos anytime I came back to sponsor meeting or someone to talk about it was Sometimes gently sometimes not so gently. I was nudged back in the direction of you. Know what will you just have to open yourself up to it more. You just have to this or you just have to pray hard or you just have to bring more. Stop praying for this and instead pray for this you gotta pay the right way and so it was. It was frustrating and I eventually actually stopped going to meetings and I had a relapse at after about two and a half years. I got sober when I was twenty years old at about two and a half years after that I relapsed Uh with alcohol and a couple other and do a little more experimenting a little more research and then I decided I had to go back to meetings things because meetings always been held. The people have always been really helpful for me just having other people that on this path with is super super helpful. Awful and so I went back but I decided I would. Kind of put more of my personal growth in to Oh my therapists hands and I was very fortunate to have the resources to afford and really good therapy. My parents were supportive of that which I'm eternally grateful for or realize I was privileged in that way But luckily it opened me up to this whole new way of thinking about recovery and I got so much benefit from therapy that I decided to become a therapist and myself and so I had a unique experience of being able to do therapy and understand therapeutic principals and principals psychology and theories of psychology while also going through the twelve steps and I found a lot of commonalities there and I found that there was no need to necessarily There was no need to have the god part of a deal. Breaker Acre there was a way to navigate a without having to subscribe to a belief in supreme being But it just required acquired a lot of translating on my part in my head is in meetings is kind of like okay. He's saying he turned his life over his higher power than okay. What he means did and so I kinda just I eventually got to a point where I felt like writing a book that I would have wanted at the time? And so that's that's essentially. What my book? Oh kids it's a translation of the twelve steps into a language that makes sense just from a psychological perspective and it adds a couple things in there that I feel like are missing. Although there's not a ton I do feel like the twelve steps have a lot of wisdom and there's a lot there So I kept a lot of this stuff that worked and I shifted around to make more sense for someone who's looking at it secularly so I don't know how much time. How much time time is this whole thing? How much time do I have to talk? I don't WanNa go over when this is my life tomorrow morning at four thirty. AM My local time. It's GonNa be fun So I'm just going to briefly if it's all right go through the twelve steps as I wrote them Again I have the book because I have not memorize the myself And Again if you guys have any questions I'M NOT GONNA go into too much detail but if you have any questions please let me know. And it'll be around afterwards. Let's talk so for me. Step number one admitted we were caught in a self destructive cycle and currently lack the tools to stop it so so in that it covers powerlessness in my opinion and it covers unmanageable I wasn't a huge fan of the UNMANAGED manageability part because I've known some people who especially around the time of the first step they would look at that and go unmanageable. No I got my job. I mean this guy got my other. You know So yes there are aspects that are usually unmanageable. But I just wanted to focus on the fact that any amount of unhealthiness any amount of destructive who've behavior I think is enough to want to initiate the process of recovery step two trusted that a healthy lifestyle was attainable bill through social support and consistent self-improvement so speaks for itself three committed three was one of the hardest wants to translate because it's Super Gaudy Committed to a lifestyle of recovery focusing only on what we could control and I think that's a huge part of the whole turning your life over is really not necessarily that. We're turning our lives over to something outside of ourselves. We're just stopping topping trying to control every single aspect of because that drives US crazy. Drove me crazy. I don't know if you guys have the same experience. Drove me crazy. 'cause they can't control. There's only so many things I can control. So that was the focus. So I'm going into this program with the focus of what can I do. What can I change? What can I? What can I control step for talked about earlier? A comprehensive list of our resentments fears and harmful actions step five shared our list with trustworthy person again very similar to the original original step. Step six made a list of our unhealthy character traits. Not a fan of the character defects word were not broken. We have due to a combination of nature and nurture. We have developed techniques to try and make it through life uh and not lose our minds and a lot of these techniques are not necessarily healthy but they served us in some way shape or form and so I think we need to honor that and honor that they had a place in our lives and they did serve a purpose for us and we're functional but now if we WANNA live sober and we wanna have a healthy lifestyle. They need to be brought into balance and we need to learn how to live with those character traits in in a more balanced way Seven began cultivating healthy character traits through consistent positive behavior so again this one is also pretty heavy on the God and the original one. You're turning turning your character defects over to God or your higher power I know through personal experience and and through what I've learned as a therapist that we have some power over that if we want to be less selfish we can do more selfless things and it will start start to rewire our brains and change our behavior and we will become less selfish people And that goes for pretty much any character defect unhealthy character actor trade that you can think of If we are if we have a tendency to be lazy every day find one. One thing that you can do that is more productive than what you did the day before. Find something new that you can do. That's productive and take some motivation and by gradually and consistently doing that we begin to change. It's just the nature of human behavior we're creatures of habit and we can create new habits and then the new habits that we create change the way that we think and feel and relate.
"geoffrey munn" Discussed on Full Cast And Crew
"Headlines. My first one for you, Chris. I know you're going to love this is right in my wheelhouse. Partly live, tons of great movie. Isn't it scientists laughing as I know you're gonna love this. Because it's in my wheelhouse. I am an only child Chris. It's a burden in occurs and issue. Strength for no one, but me Carly alive, which would be an interesting title for a horror movie love, it doesn't really set your teeth on edge party alive. Scientists have revived cells in brains from dead pigs. But this is one of those things this is like if you dig out a vial of amber colored liquid from a crypt don't fucking open it if you get a skull don't take it out of its like reliquary and don't revive dead cells from dead paychecks. This is a headline that we will look back in fifty years. Yeah. When we're being harvested, exac, the pig water by these zombie paid brains back, you know, what we should have stopped there. Speaking of zombie pigs. This is perfect excuse for me to recommend to stop like right now like just pull over the side of the road run out of your car. Go into the nearest home. Get rid of whoever's living in there. Sit down in front of their television. Legally we. Can't encourage if you just speaking to the remote and just say two words, upstream color. It is one of the most brilliant films. You're ever going to see and just go watch. It your life will be better. I couple nights ago was going to watch movie. And I was like maybe I'll watch primary again as sort of like a lead up to see upstream. But then I was like I don't know that I have you got to be like you got to be ready ready to listen that's on a second screen experience. Yeah. You need to stare at the screen and actually like plot things out on graph paper watching primer, which will not help you at all with upstream color. Upstream color is wonderful. But it's so interesting that he with his films one is so tightly constructed the engineer or programmer by training. And then the other one is so like hippy. Talk about somebody who was able to somehow turn off the analytical side at allow his fucking associate of mine. Audio engineering hogs and inexplicably than this movie. You Chris my next headline is a sound. Don't look, what do you think? That's the sound of. For strong carriages. That's the sound. Of your impending death. The sound of Boston dynamics latest quote unquote research project, which is a troupe of robotic dogs pulling a tractor trailer. And that's the sound that you're gonna hear at night when you wake up in a cold, sweat and you hear something coming down the stairs in your home. And those robotic dogs, Chris, no, they don't care about you. They're not looking to cuddle up to circle their robots are looking to kill you. And that's the sound. They're going to make remind me are you a black mirror watcher. Did you see the episode that has I think it's called metal head from the newest sees haven't seen the newest season yet. There's an episode, and I'm not going to spoil anything about a future and the design of the robots that they use in it look a lot like those. I am certain whoever wrote for the show at seen this design, and that makes it all the more chilling to have seen the science fiction version and to see getting real life. Yeah. Wow. That's a great video. Last one for you. I think you're gonna like this one Charlotte Bronte's hair found in ring on antiques roadshow, say experts because only experts could judge that. Well, sure, you're not gonna ask just anybody. I should elaborate. Absolutely. I should elaborate that the antics roadshow that we're talking about is the English version not the US version, which is a guilty pleasure of mine. I I don't know why I could watch forty five hours or days of antiques, roadshow episodes. And it's like a time out of mind. It's like living in a place where nothing can touch me. And I find it just whenever it's on. I can't not watch. It the connection to what we're doing is wrong. Bronte was the name of one of the screenwriters who with Alan Carr, was credited on Greece. And so I was like oh a woman named Bronte wrote the screenplay but come to find out. It was a man a man named Bronte any relation to Charlotte. Bronte the screenwriter guy is he the descendant. I don't think so you can't say for. Sure that it's not I can't say it's not unidentified woman said it belong to her late father law. It had an inscription on the inside of the ring bearing the name of the author of Jane Eyre in the date of her death in eighteen fifty-five. I've got goosebumps. Now thinking about it. It's got a hinge on it. And inside there's pleaded hair. I think it may be the hair of Charlotte Bronte, the woman told the show's jewelry expert, Geoffrey Munn, said there was very little reason to doubt this. It was a convention to make jewelry out of hair in the nineteenth century, a simpler time, Chris. There was a terror of not being able to remember the face in character of the person who had died. It wasn't uncommon thing to happen presumably, he's not referring to death. The ring opens like a little biscuit tin lid, and amazingly we see this hair work within it echoes bracelet. Charlotte war of her two sisters hair. So it's absolutely the focus of the mid to late nineteenth century and also the focus of Charlotte. Bronte he believed it was utterly and completely credible that the hair had been brunt. And that's just the jewelry expert. I wonder what the hair expert would say without the hair the rings. Value would be twenty five pounds with the hair and the inscription he valued it at twenty eight pounds. Now. I'm just kidding twenty thousand pounds just kidding. Anyway, those are my headline. Those wouldn't exciting world we let it what a fascinating modern yet antiquarian world we live in fantastic. Well. Jason. Oh, right. I almost forgot.