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"general services conference" Discussed on Big Book Podcast

Big Book Podcast

05:24 min | Last month

"general services conference" Discussed on Big Book Podcast

"This is the seventy six episode featuring the fourth story in part three of the personal story section of the second edition of alcoholics anonymous published in nineteen fifty five it's entitled promoted to chronic and was printed in the second and third editions of the big book. Promoted to chronic was written by helen. Be who got sober in early. Nineteen forty five after working for the boston. Central services office of a helen became a senior staff member at the new york office in nineteen forty nine where she personally helped bill w promote the traditions and the general service conference to the fellowship. She helped organize the first general service conference held in april nineteen fifty one and served as secretary to the first two conferences. Helen also worked closely with bill on. The booklet called the third legacy bill w praised her in the book. Alcoholics anonymous comes of age saying helen be office. Staff had a real flair for statesmanship in the best sense of the word and she understood practical politics to her assistance throughout proved invaluable as important as the formation of the general service conference in later a world services were to the stability and structure of a helen. Sobriety born service work remain important contribution to alcoholics anonymous to this day and now part three story.

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"general services conference" Discussed on AA Beyond Belief

AA Beyond Belief

05:13 min | 3 months ago

"general services conference" Discussed on AA Beyond Belief

"That's what i'll do then and she'll go can go to that and she'll probably really like it she because she just she just three shots as is there any i said well there's two groups i know. Oh yeah but there's also that one now in canada that started up and we were talking about that a little bit before. We started recording that your group started and there's a group in kansas and now this group in canada right. I actually have the website here limit. Look at it so we have a secular ellen on step study workshop monday three. Pm pacific time. The voices secular ellen on wednesday seven thirty mountain time any faith or none twelve noon central time and then there's an increase in meeting in. Newton falls ohio. So that's my the website with ribbon with boats in it. So if she sent her there were hoping that people can find a time that works for them. Yeah well it's. It's good that it's good. It's good that we have that resource it out but prior prior to all this She wouldn't have had to go. Probably right that's why. The demographic is so dispersed because developed tried. And give it up and try to give an option. Now maybe we're getting some momentum. It's been an interesting conversation. I'm glad that things have worked out well for your group. It'll be so interesting to see how everything will develop when we do eventually come out of our homes and go back to meeting in person. And how all these people being experiencing secular meetings how they're going to react when they go back to their home groups you know. I was going to be very interesting. And also it'll be interesting to see if alanon itself becomes any any more open to Secular groups and you know when i first when i first heard about their their Not being open to them. It kind of surprised me because al-anon is pretty good about free standing about updating their literature. Unlike a debate have more updated literature when it comes to the program. Yeah but he keeps coming out with new literature also like the well. The thing about asia's the big book that that is like written in stone lined. Yeah yeah i mean. that's why. Everybody clings to. I mean they had been the head living sober so i mean. Are you being like individual members that come out with books. That's a lot of that going on. You talk about just as general service conference. Well i was. I was thinking so then there was as bill season and more recently The grapevine published one big ten. The grapevine has really gotten on board..

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"general services conference" Discussed on AA Beyond Belief

AA Beyond Belief

02:01 min | 5 months ago

"general services conference" Discussed on AA Beyond Belief

"Support. So great to hear. Thank you. Love that. How Cool Joe's always in there. I mean I I don't know that he's missed one. St. It would be concerned it's like what? Joe's not. They're fun and he's always making comments to. Keeps the chat going. You make you make this this livestream, what it is. So. Yeah. So do we have another caller? We had one in Cuba but they left they might come back. Yeah they're like. I'm not waiting. Impatient. Pistol. I was thinking about that Cova. has done a k. because it has pushed everything online. Like General Service Conference met for the first time online that General Service Conference would cost a lot of money and they can save. They can save a fortune now by doing it online, they can also make it maybe more transparent by making it accessible for people who can't go to the conference to maybe at least watch you know and and get maybe some updates online and so forth. So there's an opportunity for more people getting involved in in service, but I think there's also going to be a need. Here's the person calling back. I think there's going to be a need for a different structure, a structure that handles specifically online meetings online resources. Let's see who might be area code nine, one four. Hello Oh I didn't press talk. Hello. Hello. My name is Catherine. How are you? Tonight? What's on your? Oh well, I, was employed facebook for many years and then I had to go on it and that is when I discovered a bill yawn belief and the Google groups and the other groups and it's been a godsend you..

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"general services conference" Discussed on AA Beyond Belief

AA Beyond Belief

07:35 min | 5 months ago

"general services conference" Discussed on AA Beyond Belief

"This fridge and Virginia Oh hey fatso. I've been listening to. Angeles, GS report of. Arizona and her and her talks I think she's A. Something, on the head I remember. Way Back when when they had that Oh. Stage to recovery. Of the book came out I, think it was. In the early. A. Eighty in the late eighties. And A. Nineteen eighty eight I remember in making. She, hid it They had the. Thing in Georgia where they lash state. To to pick a daily for the state conventions out of the hat. And they were and they were trying to. And they were trying to make to majority rules. So. Someone. So some of the things she's talking about today are exactly the same. With the new era of. The new era over A. As the. What she's going through. The state with the with the conferences and stuff all the way up she was. So. You know. I. Think that's the. Look at that book stage to recovery I remember. I gave it away but they. had a copy of it. I gave it away to somebody. I never received it back but they. Poke about. Toe Test. People who people who dame surround tends to roam the conversation or all all their life. They. About the The dependency codependency issues and all the things that happened. and. co-dependency was always a big issue whether whether you needed somebody else to keep you sober or not it's the same thing today then. When you realize all you have to do is not. Drink. But goodness it's it's a whole different story it is. Well thank you fred for I. Appreciate that I think that you've given us something to talk about their as far as you know the different way of viewing sobriety like that or recovery in general. So thank you. Thank you so much. You you have a good weekend. Take. Care of. that. was that was a really great cook and really Challenge for. Engineer show to the. Well. Thank. You without you. Know without you you know would seem like an. It's pretty hard to get to meetings around him because. Of the Kobe and you know at least there's a topic at least there's A. Potential. seems like a sobriety sobriety is always in the future. Because Because everything, we've accomplished so far if we don't look to the future, we've never that's the new era you know. All Right Fred. Appreciate you take care now. Bye Bye but. Yeah. You know something he said there about you know it's hard to find meetings in Virginia and now he can find meetings anywhere. He wants he can go to meetings here he come to this this livestream he can fight all kinds of information now online all kinds of meetings all over the place and that that's a game changer. You know. Fred is no longer just exposed to his groups and the culture of AA in his local area, but he is becoming exposed to a as it is taking place all over the world. And a lot different in different places so Bud k. made a comment there and I wasn't quite sure if this is the robot K I think it is because as pitcher is there and the reason I say that Bob is we actually have had somebody. Pose as you that really wasn't you so he? He says that even some of the funds conceived the Lord's prayer at the very least creates a perceived affiliation with Christianity I would say. Yeah and that's one of the the talking points that they were discussing for. The next. The seventy? First. conference. So, that's going to be the next General Service Conference that will be the one coming up. That'll be the one in in May. So Yeah they consider that although prayer is part of a a history and widely used in some areas, it can make some members feel excluded. And then to keep in mind when selecting how to end your meetings. How is that perceived by newcomers then they mentioned the diversity of the fellowship need for everyone to fill included and and that maybe they'll send out a survey for the fellowship for a wider sharing of opinions and stuff and then the last thing I put as a note is that Oh that they were talking about given the international nature of the conference. Specifically in question how the Lord's prayer would be perceived by people in other countries you know which I think that that we we tend to forget about So yeah. So that was something that I thought was interesting as far as. Is. At least. Culturally speaking A starting to move into a into another direction. There's also the a lot a lot more but. I speak good English. Okay. A lot more people are becoming aware of that document that somebody in our a exam belief group posted today regarding the Sinon Colt influence. The orange papers. It's from the UK minority report. And yeah twenty seventeen and it is it is kind of a dry read for those who who are not You know used to reading papers like that I mean the name itself, Sinon Colt Influence on alcoholics anonymous addiction treatment in the criminal justice system nineteen, Sixty, eight, twenty, seventeen That's full title in case, anybody wants to look it up. But yeah. Just having that out there because it does explain a little bit why we have people who have either You know twenty five years of sobriety or thirty years of sobriety, and then they left for awhile because it got too much for them and are coming back because they've heard of secular meetings or this take on things and talking about the difference that when they got sober thirty years ago there wasn't all this talk about God that there wasn't. You know as much of the you know, I it was just different. It was more of a of a talking about things that helped you get and stay. So we're in how to be of service. Those things another caller. 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"general services conference" Discussed on AA Beyond Belief

AA Beyond Belief

09:08 min | 5 months ago

"general services conference" Discussed on AA Beyond Belief

"As It is Friday. I am so glad I was. Telling, people in the chat before the before this started that I have the week off and I'm just like Rousseau ready for it. I've just been crazy busy at work and I really need some downtime. So yeah, it's going to be good. So a lot has changed over the last six months, a meetings have moved from church basements to zoom the general service. Conference met online last April area symbolize, and districts doing the same. And the even the International Convention was virtual. So, geography doesn't seem to matter anymore do borders and you can go to meetings in any city in any country and anywhere in the world. So, is this a new era for alcoholics anonymous and if so do we as a members have an obligation to help usher at end? That's what today's episode is all about. So please join the conversation with Angelina I by calling us at eight, four, four, eight, nine, nine, two, seven, eight or by sharing your comments in the Youtube and facebook. Chat. Should be interesting but please do participate. We definitely would like to hear from you. So you know call in. Chat away and let's just make this a participatory podcast. So where worshiped we begin? Well we can begin with where the idea came about for this I guess. Last weekend we both attended I attended in you helped. Do the tech for a workshop is that what we were calling it or just Webinar Then motion, sobriety Webinar that the free thinkers group in Arizona. Put together it was great a lot of good information and I try to take notes and I'm actually terrible apparently taking notes because Jonathan asked you know. How it went what what I learned, and so I read my notes and they went something like this the first person read what she had to say and that I've heard her speak before at the two thousand fourteen convention for well, it wasn't secular then it was free thinkers agnostics. In Santa Monica. But. That she was talking fast which is funny because I was talking really fast. So I I couldn't concentrate I couldn't hear what she was saying and I wasn't used to the Webinar form, and so I was trying to understand you know if if we were going to be seeing other people or just seeing the person talking and then there her name was blinking the whole time she was talking. So it was it was taking me a little bit of time to acclimate. So I don't know she said. She no she actually talked fast like that when she was speaking in Santa? Monica. Seems to be fired if. Personality. But then I got I believe from John, emotions needs to be regulated not amputated and and that you can't reason feelings they can't be reasoned out of and that I think from. Joe. A statement of. If you want to learn to swim, you can't just read a book you have to get into the water forget. It yeah. and that it was bills hope that emotional sobriety would be the next level in a like a stage to recovery. That's of where you got the idea. Yes. Okay Yeah and then he read from the Velveteen Rabbit. are you real thing about the so course talk In Jonathan's like what are you talking about unlike the velveteen rabbit still course talk in and I'm like I actually didn't read it but we were all very emotional. So it was effective and Yeah. If you're having trouble emotional trouble in recovery, it doesn't mean that that something's wrong and and then lacquer lack of in inner intimacy leads to emotional dependency I. think that was a doctor Allen. Be and then he talked about the digestive system. And nourishment like the Apple used as an example that. You Bite in into the apple, the stomach. Intestines extract from the Apple, actually eight and friend of the audience to as a way to demonstrate that. Does it it no longer is the apple. It becomes us we become the apple and then we eliminate what we don't need and that that's basically emotional support. And Johnson's like Oh okay and like yeah, it was really great. So he was glad I got something out of it but I really did I I mean there is more that I got out of it but I just don't take notes very well, and I was still thinking about it. The next day. On Sunday and Sunday mornings a run a zoom meeting for my sponsor. That's A. More of a traditional women's meeting. And and the topic. The topic was Let's see what was it. It was rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path in? So it's like as far from what I was thinking about you know within recovery terms almost as possible and and so you know the person shared on that and then another person with long term sobriety shared on the you know this isn't a do it yourself program and and the you know things like that and so. They went around picking people and finally somebody picked me I think. I. Was probably last because they knew I wouldn't be happy. Or. Say something that was You know not easy to digest. which was to You know I said that I that that's simply not true the that there is a. A cre- well documented you know showing that we ate isn't effective for everyone. And we kind of do create our own. That's one of the things that most people say to newcomers if they're struggling with the higher power concept is that you just can create you know your own and so yes, there are some things that we do. That are similar that are helpful. You know like within a we do sobriety you know the majority of us and some programs do not but you know that's what we recommend when you're getting started and and. So yeah. So I talked about that and and you know that it's it just fails a lot of people and that may be part of the reason is that we keep picking subjects to talk about from the big book as if they're you know guide for today rather than consulting current scientific understandings or. At the very least consulting some bill WS later writings. Yeah we WANNA keep the profit thing going then we can at least use. Your. Because a lot of people do they serve By Bill. Yeah and so you know if we if you WANNA keep going that way, you know fine it's your meeting. But at least us, you know some his later writings. State of. Volvo. And and so then you know I mentioned, you know like the letters published through the grapevine which is. Conference approval literature and. And then you know bring those to the meetings that that. Yeah. The letter that he wrote that we were talking about I think the title is the next frontier. Yeah and and what I loved that I hadn't ever picked up on before was where he talks about You. Let's see I found I needed to hurt every ounce of will and action to cut off these faulty emotional dependency is upon people upon a indeed upon any set of circumstances whatsoever, and then later in the thing, we may be able to twelve step ourselves and others into emotional sobriety, and so I thought that was those were cool both the dependent upon a because I. Struggled with that during the pandemic. Yes. I think that we need to connect with each other and I think zoom and social distancing. We can do some of that..

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"general services conference" Discussed on AA Beyond Belief

AA Beyond Belief

05:40 min | 6 months ago

"general services conference" Discussed on AA Beyond Belief

"Another another thing is Yeah. To get your meeting part of you know the community of wherever you're at so that so that they're recognized as a meeting and you have participation. So you're groups voice can be heard You know the the main a body is looking at A thing on either not ending or ending international conferences with the Lord's prayer and so like our our home group has a sub committee that's looking at that more closely studying that and going to bring back to our Our business meeting what their advice is on how we could participate in that you know, should we write letters? You know saying that this is what we would like to see happen in Oh. Or are there other ways that we should do that So so that's you know a good way to get involved in it also gets us. It puts secular people in positions to make the change like you said. So you know if if If an area decided that they don't want to end any of their area meetings. With the Lord's prayer they decide to take a vote on it. You know if we have secular members that are on those committees. then. We'll have a say in. We'll be able to you know effect change I think somebody had put in our our facebook group question along the lines of will a change The steps and the Lord's prayer and the Christian stuff in all of that kind of thing and you know on the whole I, don't think they'll do it by themselves. Definitely not. But with our help you know and influence and you know. There's a possibility it's definitely not going to be quickly but you know that would be the way that if that's the change you wanted to see a the that will be a way that you could go about it is by starting to be of service and move your way through the different service position so that you're in a position to to be somebody that people would go to those questions and to help you know make those disillusioned referring to Carl's questioned the one that we got from the facebook group. I think. So yeah, let me read that because it was an interesting question. I'm sure I read the whole thing I guess I will God higher power is completely speculation with no tangible evidence of truth one cannot claim to be aware of that, which does not exist there for a to be inclusive and not bias must present factual science based evidence such as the inventory steps impossible eleven meditation benefits. Step one is also factual and content. The higher power steps need to go step twelve helping others as factual the spiritual essence of the twelve principles underlying each step as valid as well. A needs a new unbiased twelve steps and traditions can be eliminated as world is always changing and such dogmas are never flexible inclusive. New Tax new steps no traditions and definitely must be science based evidence. Science evidence based using current research base information will this happen higher power needs to be thrown out and discarded for higher wisdom windows happened well, here's the thing. In my opinion okay people will say I often say that win will do this or win win. Will you know why? A is my home group. If I want to change anything in a I, bring it up at my business meeting in my home group. So if I don't like the way that we're reading the twelve step steps at my home group, I can just go there and to the business meeting and tell them we all Wanna read them different. You know and we can have a vote on it and do it. So I mean to me there is no. Top Down A, there is no authority that says this is a is, and this is the way you must follow it, and this is what you must do. A is changed from the grassroots is from the groups themselves. So that's that's where the that's where the freedom is. Now you can affect some change at the conference level. I guess you can have like a pamphlet you know maybe you can have them vote on a pamphlet or something a pamphlet that nobody reads. Like. When we got the God word pamphlet out, you know that was something that happened. You know we could probably. Make. A motion at the general. Services. conference. To have a new text written that addresses the program recovery we could certainly do that. And that would be like a world services I guess that would publish that. And that's something that would require. A lot of time and effort through service conference and I mean it's possible and I have to tell you I. Do have a lot of respect for the service conference and how it works and what I have the most respect for is. They really, they listened to the minority, the minority opinions taking very seriously and I've been in the minority for a long time, our area assembly and when I speak out and asks for something people listen they live giving second chance. And so you can't get things done that way but a itself in my opinion is your home group. It's my home group. So I can't we can make it whatever we want it to be. Right. Yeah. I'm totally with you on that. What was the other question that we got by email the? Dennis is that don't. Yeah. He said I'd like to ask you Angela in terms of sponsoring or just helping people. Do you find the steps even secular interpretation and as an effective path to sobriety? Are there any other aspects that have become more effective? I think this is a good question I found that knowing more about neurology and concentrating on behavior modification..

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"general services conference" Discussed on AA Beyond Belief

AA Beyond Belief

15:46 min | 1 year ago

"general services conference" Discussed on AA Beyond Belief

"You know we gotta traditional media just can't find a secular one and she will not join the circle at the end of those meetings. I will join in. I will remain silent in. That is just always been my way to show people people that you know. You don't really have to do this. She don't want it won't kick you out interesting how we can become easily Dogmatic and ritualistic Listrik It it can happen to any group. It doesn't have to be a it could be any organization that could could become that way. I sometimes think it would be great if we had you know more more secular literature that's conference approved but one problem with having a book that's approved is that people become dogmatic about that book. And so maybe he had a certain. It's maybe a certain respect. We're lucky that we can just pick and choose whatever book we might want to use it. We don't have to wait for the conference to give us a book and that night night reduce some of the dogma. Because I think a lot of the dogmatic comes from a in general is usually from the from from a love of our history. Maybe maybe you too much of a love for the history and the big buck becoming kind of strict about how we look at the big book. I think that's where a lot of the dogma comes from. I very much agree. You know the the Apotheosis Bill Wilson the put him on the pedestal and the first one hundred sixty four pages of the big bark. And you know that stuff's all is all nearly eight. Years is eighty years old and hopefully we've gone miss. You really follow his life he. He became increasingly open to change over time time because he saw I believe he saw that dogmatic devotion and wanted to resist. And so but I do believe Steve. You're right about well. If you have this book everybody's GonNa Follow the Book and whatever the book maybe and you can really get caught up in that. So we're trying find to address that in that panel and then and then we're having a panel on secular awareness raising secular awareness in a through. Service were Kerr Djing people to get involved more and more involved in service so so that people know that were there. I'll we'll go back to my first sponsor who actually was area delegate and he says well Gary in a you're GonNa find that ninety seven percent of the people take it credit the other three percent do the work getting a second group. There's less competition and that has been my experience. I spent twenty five years in general service and and getting people to sign up and do that aspect of recovery. It don't realize how much growth growth that offers so they are resistant to it. Because I think out of us were just resistant to commitment. I think it's great for people to to at least at least learn about it and go to an area assembly and get to meet these people who have dedicated their time to serving a a for twenty five years. I did not do that and I did not get. I never went to an area assembly and got involved with the any it with a service structure until we started our group Kansas City Five years ago now and so I've been attending area simply since that time and it's really transformed in my experience in a certain extent because It's really when I go to the assembly Or even my district if I go to meetings there that's really my only connection into the greater a outside of my group and when I'm like at an area simply for example we don't really talk about the spiritual Joel religious beliefs or anything. We're just talking about the work that we need to get done there. And I've met people who have gone to New York the delegates you young and we have a lot of the delegates still come back to our area simply to help us out and those people are really amazing. The amount of work that they put into Serving Okay A. and there's a lot of people that aren't even delegates. Do the same thing now. I'm one of those people that I go to the area assembly all the time I even chair committee but I can't say I do a whole lot of work I but I do like to be there for me. It's like it's like I said it's my connection to a outside of my own secular group and I d learn something I gain something from it but i. I do a lot of a lot of the real work that needs to be done. I'm afraid to say and I get that. But the fact is that you participate on on a level that allows that your time allows I mean. Many people spend two years in a typical copayment in general services. Two Years I I spent twenty five because I fell in love with that. They wouldn't let me I. I wouldn't let them kicked me out. I kept finding new jobs and served area level for a decade in. But what I think what we find out is there's a there's this whole nuts and bolts. We have that tradition as as a neat never be organized organized but anything that is international. Quite frankly needs to be organized. Yeah and we're pretty organized. Absolutely absolutely absolutely and there are nuts and bolts going. All the gears are turning in the background that we don't necessarily see a group level and that's where we're in that's where that service structured comes in and I believe that that teaches people patients it does and I think it's important for the secular groups to participate participate because it allows the other groups to get to know us when I when I started going to the assembly in western Missouri. I think that I was we were we. We're the first Secular AA group to ever attend an area Assembly Missouri. And when we when I first started going there we some people were suspicious. Support us in not quite sure where we are coming from. But now we're just old hat were just you know they were just part of the family. Now it's not it's it's nothing a Of A big deal and I think that if more secular groups did get involved with their area they would have the same experience we. It's basically learning that we have far for more in common than than not with with other members and so I think that's one of the real benefits from it and also if there's something that you want different in a hey the only way you're going to get that by letting your voice be heard at an area simply and through the General Services Conference the most beautiful thing about a in my opinion is the respect suspect that we have for the minority so that you can go and you can ask for something you can. You can state your case and you can ask for a vote and whatever and if you're the minority you get a chance to go back and be hurt again and and maybe changed some minds. And I've seen that happen so there's a lot of respect in a aaa for from the minority. More so than. I think anybody ever could have imagined if you if you weren't ever if you've never experienced that and being part of a minority orgy that's great because your voice you're going to be heard twice a more twice. Maybe one of our groups recently one of our secular groups I recently At the at the local assembly put in a motion to have a specific setting of I array to identify in meeting schedules. That we are indeed secular. Everybody politely listened and said we don't think so if that returns earns is not always ready to do the change that is proposed by but after after A. Here's it a number of times they go well. You know what this. We've talked about this enough times. Maybe it is. I was very. I was involved as an area person. During the era the that we were getting ready to do the fourth edition of the Big Book and we talked about it for seven or eight years before we actually made the decision to do it and and again. That's that glacial pace of change and it does that as a way of self defense. It make sure that we don't do rash thing and because if we do do rash things people die and because we're not You know we're not a social club. We're a lifesaver club. So it's it's a very. It's a very interesting mechanism that if you don't have patience it will teach you patients. uh-huh wanted or not who's going to be in that panel. Do you know how that's going to work the way we have. Panels is the person who suggests that particular panel typically ends up on it and then and then two other people from the community are sought out usually usually and this is consistent with all the panel choices people who are going to have some experience and also perhaps perhaps have a diverse experience such as age age within the fellowship years of doing service for instance service in this one branches of service that they participate in. What's your experience in general service what you're experiencing Route uh-huh uh-huh so that we get as much of a broad base knowledge as we can from the panel at are able to 'cause we open them up after after the panel speakers we open up for discussion and and this gives other people in the room the opportunity to participate as well. Well that's going to be a good one. Then the the next one on the list here is how to survive a conventional AA meeting. I happened to be the one of the people on that panel panel and it's because there are so many conventional meetings versus the meetings that are secular in nature. You can't always find a secular meeting. There's not necessarily one every night within reach if you need. You're going to meetings every day. And and so that means you're going to traditional leading and you're going to encounter people who our God centric and sometimes that can wear on us. I guess the the thing is to. How do you deal with that person who comes in? Put your finger in your face and says get got her die are are how do you deal with. The media. Nets just goes on and on on a topic that you can't identify with and so how do you get along with that instill not feel that you should reject day but maybe simply go to a different made. No that is important. Because they're you know a lot of areas There aren't a lot of secular. Maybe there aren't any sector. Aa meetings you know so an in a it's pretty much everywhere you know immature and and and and there is benefit from having a support system when you're stopping to drink so you're gonNA have people that are that are atheists agnostic free thinkers whatever attending these meetings where people want to conclude with the Lord's prayer. They WanNa talk about God and it would be helpful to For for someone to have a plan or some some way of coping with that because it can be difficult. It can be very difficult if you feel like you're not accepted you know. And because that's so important I think for us in our recovery is is to know that that were accepted in the in the community that we're trying to be part of leaks to be a safe place and and unfortunately the Er is what is the zealots have a tendency to be loud and that's true on both sides to you are the minority there the loudest the For both the atheist. Agnostics the zealot Sir loudest list and for the other furthermore religious people. It's zealots are the loudest absolutely end. And if you're fortunate you'll find for instance my first sponsor who said don't worry. Some of us are sicker than others. And and just say hey you know not all of us are trying to sell you this aspect of their belief system. We just want you to get sober and we want you to feel safe here in. And don't let them scare you away and but it nearly early I guess it was actually the first twenty years of my sobriety in some of which we were arguing for more secular recognition but I lost people Oh who came to me for sponsorship and simply said you know I just can't deal with this guy thing and they were gone and one of the things. I've used to try the emphasize when during the discussion of we need secular we need a secular base was the fact that when people leave because they can't tolerate a that that particular aspect. It's almost. It's like a death sentence because if we sent you away you go when you drink and you die and so very very important and and so. It's kind of like you. GotTa you gotta be able to have a little bit of the armor as it will when I first got involved in general services the the new delegate came to me and said we'll Gary Jeff Welcome to General Service Service and I was very and she said you know in general service you get the heart of a butterfly and the skin of a rhinoceros and the over my years. In general service I developed the skin I became the essence of renounce Rousey. But I have not sure about the butterfly. I bet but I'll tell you my skin by arms pretty thick and as I could tolerate off on staff but it because we are. We're very sensitive people and so it's it's it's important that we give people the ability to stay in that traditional meeting and and stay safe and feel okay and and not necessarily go back through his particular meeting because if you go around the corner there's another that'll be a good one to record and I hope that all of these are recorded but that one in particular will be good because it would help the person who is in Area where there aren't secular meetings and they in the only meetings they can attend our traditional ones so that panel would be helpful for those people I think I and A and we we are setting up to record and and and have it online so at because I do believe that that was a challenge like I say having lost cost to the other dog and you know one thing. That's that is helping combat that I think is having these podcasts. These websites the facebook groups on the online presence that we have So that people that are in areas where they don't have a secular secular meeting they they know that we're out there you know. And so they're emboldened. I think when when they go to traditional meeting because that's the only meeting they have in their town and if they have to.

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