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"general krulak" Discussed on Zero Blog Thirty
"I miss the Mark I. I missed an opportunity to use the voice in the platform that I have, and I didn't do it well and I think that a little bit of change starts with some personal responsibility, so I'll take that, and I will talk about it now I will talk about a even though it makes me uncomfortable, even though I am nervous about saying the wrong things and not applying the right qualifiers. I don't do enough for the black community in this country, and that is effect we're going to move on. All right so before we get into the interview I? WanNa talk about Mr Williams a little bit because we didn't really get into the history of him going to jail I think that. If you want to hear more about that, there's plenty of youtube videos. He's talked about that over and over again I. Wanted You guys to get? Whenever you listen to get a little perspective on who he is. And where he grew up and things like that how he became the man that he was very interesting that he was a tiny fellow didn't couldn't joined the Marine Corps at first because he was too short I think that that. Kyle Carpenter same way, and it's just like general. Stop right the infamous General Krulak. I think he was like five two or something like that he. And I love that 'cause they always have nicknames like Large managing him what we talk about it a little bit, imagine him being five foot six or whatever he is, he walks in and like my name's woody like you'd be like Oh. You're adorable. Little, do they know? That us, and then he's carrying a seventy seventy pound flame thrower that it wasn't even taught to do it. Without further ado here is ninety six year old that are in world war to participant not disappeared, but medal of honor recipient he became a chief foreign officer, stuck around the military for while, and is doing more gold star families, maybe than anybody in the country..
"general krulak" Discussed on Veteran On the Move
"It is twice blessed to bless him. Give him receive it and so I just recited from memory is said to collect that. That's that's my said. Okay right all that down for me said to me so so now comes the day that In General Krulak was the communist system. Right no no. At this time he was so. Cg EVOLVE MC SIDDIQ. Down there so Voter education over I guess older deserters but So he has the guy come in here. It's got the guards performances. First of all take the shackles off. This and then he turns the Guy said this ends today. This will never admit got home. I was going to happen and he said. Let me read to you something then. My dearest friends sent me and he read the Soliloquy. The quality of mercy is not strained and so he finishes and he said it's over. I'm excusing you of everything you'll never face this again. But there's one requirement and the guy says. Oh God yeah whatever. I'll do whatever you want. General you said in the future you're going to have an opportunity to exercise either Justice or mercy and I can tell you to consider mercy in decision and I said well absolutely so you let him go off to goes to the wedding back to her. That Christmas general crew has done him and he said I gotTa show you this card and is trump this individual from back in Arlon. He said General. Thank you again for your kindness and so forth since our meeting. I have had a number of occasions to choose between justice and mercy. And thanks to you. I always chosen marquette down on the side of the mercy and have never regretted it. I hope that you have not regretted the fact that you showed mercy for me. So Joe you just never know when one of your teachers making you memorize them a portion of Shakespeare the May come in handy but in that case it came in handy for that individual as General Krulak Qetta choose between justice and mercy. Well that's incredible well. I don't think we could end in episode any better than that. Well to thank you. You know we have all of these opportunities in life to to do the right thing to reach back and say gee what what is what is right and proper here and hopefully that in reaching back. We're reaching back into a bag that has lots of integrity involved in it. The we we ended up making the the the right choice. Well that's awesome Russia. I appreciate you sharing those words of wisdom and phenomenal story with his. So that wraps up this episode and we'll be back Be Back with another one soon. So until then these two veterans or Oscar Mike vetted on the move your pathfinder to freedom if you like to show leave us a review. Kids reviews are always greatly appreciated so until next time. This veteran is Oscar Mike..
"general krulak" Discussed on Veteran On the Move
"So sage next topic would like to cover is the importance of integrity in a leader. Yeah I I guess This really hit me again going back to my days as a as a Midshipman one more instructors was a marine and always a Korean War veteran might have been World War Two veteran as well but in any event as one of those times when when the instructor can kind of get off subject to talk about what we were there for which was to go out as a second lieutenants are insincere and lead sailors marines and his words were still with me and he said some of those who choose to come in the Marine Corps may find yourself in a situation where you're giving orders that will cause the men that you're leading to die and it isn't asking too much of you that they perceive you to be a man of integrity and just hit me and I thought you know that's yeah they make and then later in combat. I thought John I'm on orders from from other people. Do I consider them to be men of integrity and is just? It can't be a thing of well. I don't think your personal tech you're not going to carry out your order but it certainly makes it eat that easier to say. I'm willing to put my life on the line because I believe that. This leader is a person of integrity and so that always stayed with me so in a talk given on leadership about Would lead should be. I say that they should be leaders of morality as well as integrity and the question comes up. What was the difference between Morality and integrity? And then I asked the question. What do you think get different answers? And I said well let me share with you. A book called Rushworth kidder. Called how good people make tough decisions and his position is that morality is a choice between right and wrong. Good and bad Con Easy to distinguish sometimes difficult to carry out. The you know the right thing but it's you know black white you know find you know. There's a line between the two. The challenges that ethics is a choice between right and right and all you get puzzled. Looks right and right. How can you have a choice between right? And he said well think about this Kidder said that It's life. We have a kind of a constant ethical dilemma in four different areas and those areas are justice versus mercy honesty versus loyalty short-term benefit versus long-term benefit the good of the individual versus the good of the group on each one of those were comparing or having to choose between not right and wrong but right and right and that's what makes it so difficult. It's the ethical dilemma. Because whatever right that you choose the back of your mind is the fact that you rejected another right. So did you choose the the correct writer and I assure fans on you know honesty versus loyalty. You know how many of us have ever been in that situation class classmate loyalty you know you. Don't rat on a friend and all those things but but ours were supposed to also be pupil. Honesty of honor Justice versus mercy. How many of your parents nominee have run up against that of of ensuring that your child goes up to be a person of integrity But understands that there's got to be justice but to do so without breaking the spirit or will that child says got to be the mercy part of that as well and then the long term versus short term. You know we understand that. And then of course the good of the vendor vigil versus the good of the Group. All of these are rights. They all begin our start with the you know the good of the benefit of So that's that's the challenge. How do you get that? You know that's not. Don't you through training? That's done through education. That's done through the way we were raised. You know what's Okay and what's not. Okay it's reinforced by the culture. In which relocated Marine Corps culture has motto Semper Fidelis. Semper always not when I get around to it or one is when is okay or when you know. It's it's convenient it's always. It's the basis for any relationship of of permanence and then fidelity faithful honest loyal. All of those things that are necessary that We want I said the dollar is a term. We don't use much these days but during the past it was a fairly common term. In fact we used to name our dogs. Fido rid of fidelity fight on the that the loving caring that the companion that that faithful Loyal the being that we have with US final and then remind people that know cat has ever been named. Fido which is kind of apology to cat. Lovers cut up. But that's the the idea that you have these challenges and to be a person integrity means that you you make the right call and the desk developed through education through the things that we read the culture in which the people that we stronger sauce with. Are you surrounded by people that that you see also people of Integrity? That that you're comfortable with that you know are going to make the right call on it you. You would not feel ashamed to say. Gee I made this call because You know I just thought that was not not that big a deal. I mean all. These things are necessary in the development of leaders and But especially that role of integrity. Who wants to follow a person without integrity? You know what are the value of his or her decisions that are going to cause us to put our lives on the line and so the leader just has to have integrity and in my mind absolutely. It's a good stopping. We're GONNA take a quick break Quebec. If you've got business travel coming up vacation time or going on leave. Now's the time to make your reservations for Spring and summer travel with American forces. Travel serving you in helping your military family. American forces travel is an exclusive website and a deity partnership with priceline powered by priceline and built for veterans and active duty. American forces. Travel can save you money on flights. Cars and hotels support your branch of military at the same time. Active Duty Reserve veterans and more can use this restricted website. You'll save money on flights cars hotels and on top of that travel company commissions. Go to your service branch to be reinvested into your military community so checkout American forces travel at veteran the move dot com slash travel. And see for yourself. That's veteran on the move dot com slash. Travel bag with sage subject. Matter is imports of tasty in a leader. So I have to say I never realized that the dog named Fido was a derivative of fidelity. Until you said that but I guess it makes total sense with the unwavering loyalty of Docs Ohio and and the dog lovers out there. We'll all that I mean you know that. Faithful companion that wakes up in the morning and he just can't wait to to make you happy. Oh God what a what a wonderful being you know. Dogs are and how grateful that God made them in that that the dog chose to be on on our side of the hugh the split between animals and humans absolutely so what other Do you have some examples of tough decisions that you may you've made in your life in regards to write versus rate? I'll I'll share with you. An example of of one that Things kind of emergency. I was at headquarters. Marine Corps Got A call from General Krulak my dearest friend and he had this situation he said this is a heck of a story. The story goes back to World War. Two and there's an Irish lad from Chicago was in the army when off to to England in preparation for the the big invasion and fall in love with the IRS girl and The Gut Murray conceived a child he went off and fought came back. The marriage Fell apart so they got divorced and he came back to Chicago in one thousand nine hundred sixty six the mother because of the troubles that are taking place in an Ireland context. Father and says listen on this kind of dangerous spotter. Would you mind if we sent our son To live with you at Chicago and the father said sure no problem so the sun shows up kicks around for a while gets bored and decides to join the Marine Corps nineteen sixty six. If you joined the Marine Corps. There was one place that you could be fairly certain you're going to go. And that was Vietnam Right. So he's about to ship out and he says Gee I probably ought to call my mother and told her about this Hide and listen. I I got kind of bored. Here's Soy Joined the Marine Corps. She said you what I didn't send you the United States. You could join the Marine Corps and go into into dangerous situation. You get your little Irish but backyard. Harlan immediately and so he does he. He deserts background so and is now she would assist about nineteen ninety one or so maybe a ninety two and There's a wedding in Chicago. They're going to fight. All the relatives. Include this individual. Who's no ma'am issues up in immigration and a pops up deserter. So they take him away and change to the dude adjudicator whose General Krulak in Quantico. So they bring him in and and is he's bad shaven so generally calls me and says what do you think about this? Is that the Guzman Bad Chevy said a couple of heart attacks. He's not survive prisoners of but my lawyer just saying I got hammered the sky. You've got a standard example for for the rest of the ring card is I'm Kinda Kinda wondering you know. What what do you think about this and joy swear to God? That immediately in my mind was a palm not a poem but a Soliloquy that sister Marilyn my freshman year in high school made us memorize in was from the merchant of Venice and it was with Porsche's saying the quality of mercy is not strained it dropped with as a gentle rain from heaven upon the place.
"general krulak" Discussed on Veteran On the Move
"Tom Brady. Us Marine Corps. Call sign sage so sage. What if you could talk to us a little bit about taking care of your own and in the context of when you first learned as a when you're to Kademi and early is a young officer in the Marine Corps. What was your experience with taking care of your own. Yeah thanks Joe and down. I think this is a critical part of leadership. Never leadership talk that. I've given boil it down to two things -CCOMPLISH submission and take care of your troops. And sometimes they can be in conflict the other day in class this game up and all of that Maybe shortly but at the Academy of when I was there as a midshipman and then later as a company officer the disadvantage we had was We did not have enlisted senior enlisted integrated into the brigade that is assist the officers so a lot of that relationship officer to enlisted. We just had to kind of pick up on her own and then later at basic school as reinforced. But I guess at boil down to one of the things that I I learned some when a first sergeant said To me AH I. I don't care what you know as long as I know that you care and that may seem kind of a clever plan words but it's it's really the essence He knew that coming out. Basically School I knew a lot about the tactics instructor and so forth of the Marine Corps. That's the beauty of the basic school for. But that other part I guess has to either be inherent or it's learned and it's it's it's best. I guess if it's inherent but it can certainly be learned in that is to give a damn about your people and it's a kind of a balance because you're talking about people that has combat leader your schoon ascend into harm's way and those that Sun Tzu talked about the EU treaties zone beloved sons. You're putting them at risk. So how can you care about them if you're exposing them to death? But that's a set the challenge of of leadership of a combat leader of again getting the job done but taking care of the troops. I the first Part of it is simple. And that is Know who they are. I mean it's easy for them. They've only got one to ten or one. Captain is a case may be but it's important that that you know who they are and that maybe takes a little bit of work in some are better at that than others but I can no straight at best buy story of when we had a reunion on my rifle company This is years after he'd been Vietnam and ice showed up as an active duty colonel at the time. But to the minds of my troops I was still the captain still skipper. And of course. In my mind's eye they're still PFC's lance corporal although they're Kinda Gray and perhaps if editor coupons but you know we just went back in time together and anyway George Martin walked up and said Sir you know I. It's great to see against Jim. Remember when when when I showed up reported my company is not know Georgia really. Don't he said no? No don't you remember you're standing there talking. And then all of a sudden there's all kinds of noise and explosions and screaming and hollering and so forth in New Tournament. Said Martin. I'M GONNA be Kinda busy here. Good jumping that whole and when all of this is over we'll talk some more. I said. No Georgia I don't remember we. Why do remember what's the big deal? George now is really hurt. He said Sir the big deal a big deal was you knew my name. You knew my name. You're telling me that George Martin got blown away that day. Somebody would know that. He went out as a fighting marine. You knew my name I just. I've always lashanda that that. That's a critical point of knowing the name of of your troops. It's a great beginning but sometimes We overlooked at but so that's the first next year their welfare And you can't make it easy for them conditions but you can make them as good as you can and try to set the example of of being willing to share the hardships of your troops. You know as a leader in combat. You don't have a more refined fighting whole a in a with a with wallpaper enough fours and so forth but you gotta be there And again it's it's the business of of showing up. You know ninety percents of success. What he ellen said is showing up and that's That's what it's gotta be You can pretend to care but you can't pretend to be there and that's I think in another necessary aspect of demonstrating that you care about the troops. You can't from a distance say Jay. This is going on or that's going on You gotta be there where you can sit and do something about it. And every officer has the opportunity to use his authority in may be limited secular tenant. But he's still the officer and still he can get things done that can benefit our make life better for the troops as they prepare for for their mission so those would be just a first initial thoughts of knowing who your troops are and then showing up being there at the time in a when when they're digging fighting holes and the officer shows up suddenly that becomes important My dearest friend General Krulak he had Second Force Service Support Group Would show up in his coveralls. When troops are changing oil on the vehicles think how important changing oil became when the commanding general's showed up and was wanting to get down there and dirty with them as well Some people say well this kind of Hokey thing I can tell you. It just speaks volumes about caring enough to to show up and and to to see what would your troops are doing and to as best you can make What they're doing a bit easier or more productive and so I think those are the aspects of carrying the other. Things are getting fed getting promoted. I mean all those things are part of the officers responsibility into that can't be shirked and that can't be passed off to the edge and under arts of the personnel officer or somebody else is the leader who's got a care about as people demonstrate has carrying by What what he does or what he feels to do. Well a phenomenal eloquent way of explaining taking care unit for firsthand experience. So we're gonNA take a quick break and We come back. We're GONNA talk a little bit about how you've taken taking care of your own out of the Marine Corps in an it's incident sector as a college professor will be right back if business travel coming up vacation time or you're going on leave. Now's the time to make your reservations for spring summer. Travel with American forces. Travel serving you in helping your military family. American forces travel is an exclusive website and a deity partnership with priceline powered by priceline and bill for veterans and active duty. American forces. Travel can save you money on flights. Cars and hotels support your branch and military at the same time. Active Duty Reserve Veterans. And more can this restricted website. You'll save money on flights cars and hotels and on top of that travel company commissions. Go Service branch to be reinvested into your military community so checkout America forces travel at veteran on the move dot com slash travel. And see for yourself. That's veteran on the move dot com slash travel back. Talk of a sage. Ebb served before the break. You talk about your experiences in in the academy in Vietnam in in throughout your your your military Marine Corps career on taking care of your own. You've actually had some experience taking that concept out of the military and into the savane sector and a number of different ways and what you're doing currently is as a college professor. Can you talk a little bit about what you've done or how you've taken this concept taking care of your own into the into the world of? Teaching College Kids Shirley Joe Yeah it's a amazing. When I got out of the Marine Corps I was really concerned of what was I going to do as an infantry officer I knew how to use things and people and so but in think there's much need for the billion but as fortunate enough to To land a job with USAA which focuses on the military families and so forth so it does seem to be a good fit. But the other is that I was the first Corinne retired general officer to come to. Usaa Verma Konare Force Organization there in San Antonio and a great outfit My days with UCA. I absolutely loved the Great Leader's not great people But primarily air forsell bit army navy and now comes this marine. So what is this? GonNa be off so I guess the first thing I realized is that The things that I had learned As about leadership are translatable into the civilian world now obviously a different mission That goes without saying but but they're still listen mission. Our mission was to provide the best products and services we could to to our numbers not customers but members because they are member members of your organization of UCI and their families and to be there when they're having difficult time so you know A loss of some kind or pcs move which can be really. You're shattering are rubery stressful to families. But these things that that I had experienced and I thought gee this an opportunity to To translate this so I think long I had was As charges support services and one things told me after I had gone there. It was You're going to be in charge. The Fiesta and I said Gee that's that sounds was a fiesta. By well we bring in a bunch of people and is yesterday for percent tournus agree how many people you expect Run five thousand or so. Okay all right. Thanks so To prepare for this Various folks building your little stance and so forth again. You can pretend to care but you can't pretend to be there so I go on Saturday and I'm wandering around and talking to people and find out what's going on and one guy is looking at me really. Kinda strange and I. I walked over to him. And I said you're a marine right. And he popped to attention. Here's heels click and so yes sir. How do you know that Sir as well I kind of guessed it but You know how you doing. I said Listen I've got a bunch of stuff. That friend of mine recruiter sent me. Oh why don't you come by my office Monday and And will confess. Oh yes there will be some rules on. There's no sign of an so. I paged him. Which really they've used in trouble. Sushi shows up. You know kind of peak around the corner when enjoys come on man and so I passed on some of the stuff term it. And he's he's looking at all of this and with tears in his eyes he said. Sir Are we gonNA have a Marine Corps birthday here and I said of course. You'RE GONNA have Marine Corps birthday him. Who got some rains it? We got two marines. That's all we need for Burton. Of course I didn't clear that with anybody but but as one of those things Joe that when you have instincts that say this.
"general krulak" Discussed on C-SPAN Radio
"What's striking about the way in which FMC mobilized for amphibian tractor construction is that it didn't stop its agricultural production business whatsoever. It did both. And this is how. One of its new factories. It would build in lakeland Florida specifically to build an amphibian tractor designs. It added to its factory in Dunedin to build amphibian tractors and in the clearest case of guns N butter in riverside, California, southern California, the FMC factory what actually build an entirely new factory for amphibian tractor production on exactly the opposite side of the rail line that ran right up to the back of the food machinery corporation warehouse. So in other words that FMCS always built its factories close to a rail line. So it could simply offload equipment that it manufactured foot him on railcars and ship them away. But in this case when it got its work contracts from the navy. If built new factories just on the opposite side, so it expanded its operations and was able to actually do both. In fact, from the federal government received tax breaks to file what are called certificates of necessity, and such and these would facilitate industrial mobilization for war purposes, where companies that did not necessarily make war machines could entertain the costs and minimize the cost of starting a war machines business, and that's just what FMC will do. Now with respect to this elaborate network of just FM see production, the navy appreciated that FMC to its best interests could never build all of the the envisioned, and so they found other prime contractors like the Saint Louis car corporation, the Borg Warner corporation among others FMC was always the primary lead in this field of development. But there were other major manufacturers that would build amphibian tractors. Of course, there's hundreds and hundreds of subcontractors that filled. These specialized parts needs transmissions radiators collections and the like. And of course, a whole elaborate network of raw materials providers to it was really up to the navy, however to figure out how to ensure that the system of supply and procurement actually worked well. And with respect to production. One of the challenges in the midst of all of this was could the navy and the Marine Corps actually, get what they want in the time that they need it in anticipation of future operations. One of the challenges for all industrial operations in World War Two for the United States and other warring powers was providing the necessary workplaces to create the talented workforce the specialized workers that can do the work. To allocate the appropriate machine tools because if you don't have certain lathes and other equipment for casting such you can't make these enough equipment. And so finding that the critical resources human and otherwise to actually construct specialized machines was of the utmost importance, but the challenge for the government as a whole the US government as well as as every other war government was to identify which people can script and not which people do allow to volunteer in the armed forces. And not and then the case of my grandfather there in the middle and his brother Tommy, just before the war. They they're working in an automotive shop their mechanics, and they chose to join the Marine Corps. But the question that their very lives suggests is would they have been better served working in an FM C plan, perhaps then joining the Marine Corps and serving basically ground infantry all worrying governments had to make those decisions about who not to let serve in uniform. Whether you worked in a creamery whether you worked in a lumber mill there are. Host of specialized civilian fields that necessitated continuing production and FMC's very experience of doing both guns and butter suggests how the US government tried to balance military need with ongoing domestic priorities. Also. Farm tractors will always be one of the top ten programs during World War Two for US war production, domestic farm tractors out of the appreciation that you need to feed your own people to keep the war effort functioning. And historians such as Richard ovary have identified that one of the reasons the I allies it seems that the allies will win World War Two is because they better formulate their war economies for endurance long-term affairs by minimizing the hearts of civilians encounter. So that there's well-fed people. There's there's abundant resources the challenges autumn. It takes a long time to to do. Well, both in the in the pictures of the tractor. There's Donald Roebling near the front of his vehicle in Tampa Bay talents. Then is how do you take that one design and then turn it into a vehicle for war? Can you do it in time? Do you have the right people in place? Those are other complexities to this production puzzle. How do you know what you're building is the best thing that you could build. This particular backdrop photo is actually of another amphibian design. It's not a tractor. It's a wheeled amphibian designed by New Orleans shipbuilder undoubtedly you've heard of him his name is Andrew Higgins and the Higgins boat would be come one of the mainstays of America's emphases forces. Tom Hanks would start off the beaches off of onto German held beaches to the Hitler and saving private Ryan. From a Higgins boat Higgins, wasn't an industrial entrepreneur more successful than Christie, but interested in if anything and patriotic as well as profit based motivations Christie's, not looking or rumblings, not looking to make a buck. But Higgins when approach Marine Corps officer depicted here name Victor Krulak, then a captain in the marines. But ultimately become a Lieutenant General Krulak would identify in these early model Anthony and tractors like the ones in the inset picture there off the coast of Waddell canal that the suspension was was was problematic. They're prone to overheating these vehicles were they broke down too quickly. In other words, there are a host of deficiencies with rumblings early designs. And so when Krulak was discussing these with Higgins in New Orleans said, well, maybe instead of a track to design because there's so many moving parts in what's sand can infiltrate and jam up the roller bearings in such and could you build a wheeled vehicle and Higgins on his own dime. We'll do that. He builds several prototypes. And the photograph up here to pick ultimately one of the trials that some of the Higgins industries agents and members of the armed forces were investigating the vehicle. The challenge for Higgins at this moment. He's got a design and by all reports, the navy and the Marine Corps identify his design as superior superior to Donald Rollings. Can you switch gears and the navy decided it could not a lecture in American history from Weaver state university. Professor, brandon. Oh, she's been reading by nine hundred forty two. It'd already invested too much in the blueprints and the processes for industrial mobilization mass production of rumblings amphibian tractor. This is what I would call standardizing obsolescence, you know, it's deficient. You know, it's got problems. You're not going to solve all of them and model one point. Oh, but in order to have any quantity of anything you need to start building. And that's precisely what the bureau of ships and FMC will choose to do to build vehicles. They know are deficient. But better than nothing. Higgins's designs for all their promise are never built and Krulak explained to me years ago. He said, well, the reason being is as much as I had hoped that Higgins is designed could replace this one the reason that it doesn't is because we couldn't make the shift and design philosophy. We just couldn't shift gears that much. Now in the midst of building all of this one of the complexities also is not just building final product spare parts do you need. Ultimately, the navy concludes it for every twenty five Anthony and tractors you need basically, another one just fullest fares to cannibalize and to replenish things that are breaking. And so it wasn't just a question of final production. It's also question of how many spare parts how much training how much investment have you paid into this particular industrial program and the navy concluded no Higgins amphibian. Who in the navy makes these decisions I'd like to introduce you to a fellow named commander George Fifield Fifield fell into an interesting position as an individual called a supervisor of shipbuilding. We don't hear about supervisors of shipbuilding and the grand tales of naval history in World War Two. We hear about battles such as midway or or the coral sea or or such but price fold was ultimately tasked to a desk job. Stateside where he worked for the duration of the war. And what his job was was ultimately to be the liaison between the bureau of ships and FM see the other contractors to actually build the fifty and tractor. His job was literally to translate the strategic requirements, such as we that we need five thousand of these or ten thousand of these these vehicles in the next campaign season where we're going to rip into the central Pacific are March from the southwest Pacific forward, we need a certain quantity. And price would articulate that work with FM, see and its designers. It's corporate bosses to adjudicate their concerns and mass produce such things. Pry fold just by way of illustration. I I found by looking through bureau of ships records and seeing his name come up again. And again, and again and was intrigued by how influential he was. So I read it out and found his daughter who provided me as photograph here. And the photograph in back is one signed by his boss, who's in charge of the entire navy's amphibian tractor program. And what it is is a picture of particular island called Tarawa. Marines are shor at Tarawa. What it says here is dear George you may enjoy sharing with me the satisfaction of these marines at Tarawa your most outstanding contribution toward developing. The alligator as the Amtrak was often called and its progeny where most important factor in putting them on Pacific islands. So in other words, if it wasn't for you. We don't win if it's not for the home front, and this harmony of translating strategic requirements into the industrial production. The United States doesn't win war in the Pacific. It's up to individuals reconciling negotiating providing the liaison services between industry and the armed forces to ensure that things were built according to the needs that the services identified. And there are few other kinds of jobs once called an inspector of material. These would be often navy personnel assigned to factories sometimes they have their offices in these factories, and they would work in concert with with with engineers and draftsmen and others who are literally designing these vehicles to identify what the defects were. And moreover what they should do about them. Are these things that need to be fixed now or fixed and the next model the next production run, maybe six to eight months twelve months from now, those are all the kinds of questions that the homefront uniformed officers and industrialists had to to answer. Guess what? The presumption is that lessons learned in the field. Actually made a difference in vehicle design back home, and you would hope that that would be the case that if you identified if troops in the field detected problems with these vehicles or any vehicle or.
"general krulak" Discussed on Zero Blog Thirty
"Soldiers void accidental casualties caused by driving the test run occurred for bliss for ten of these trucks through unmanned driving trials with sixty more test trucks due to arrive this year, and the Pentagon has already allocated another three point seven billion with the b for research that will cover these unmanned autonomous technologies. And a lot of people are saying the odds are very high that in the military on bases and overseas there will be unmanned vehicles well before civilian civilians than they think about really be a thing for us in the civilian world for probably decades past it. So Uber's chief scientists predicted that depending on infrastructure factors and stuff like that. They'll be on basis way sooner. So. I just think this'll be huge for designated driving on post. I mean, you never have to find another arrive alive card again. Yeah. I think there could be a lot of benefits going for leg. I imagined the combat like if think about how many times you had to send transport to like, a remote fob like with food on things like that whenever you're dealing with these the only issue is that they're so secretive about this technology that if something goes wrong tire goes out. There's not gonna be anybody to blow it up in place out of magin that they have like a there's probably something inside. That will be laced with explosives, so it could blow it up itself in place. Did you know you have to do that shit? You're you're probably right. Any coming up something like that in our military that has heightened technology like that? It's usually a manual process that we blow it up. But yeah, I would imagine chaps if there's no one there to blow it up you get a do it some other way. And I like it chat for the example, you gave for transporting supplies or food that nature. I don't think I would like this. If it were myself in combat because I feel like these vehicles will be designed to drive the exact right speed limits, and they will not be able to react in accommodates. It wouldn't be. I don't think that they would ever get point where they put people inside it in just a robot. That drives you that's just doesn't make any sense at all even if you're just like transporting. I don't know. I see and they've made it in a story. Like, listen, we're working on this technology. We're moving forward with that. But we don't quite know how the fuck we're gonna use yet. But reminds me I read a book recently where they were talking about helicopters in the military when that first came about at first all these. Top Googlers in the military like of flying rotor like what what are we going to do with that will ever help us in and more doctrine developed in? They're like oh shit. These are super fucking useful million different ways. So I think like who knows how it's going to help time bad take. What are we going to use these helicopters in these? Victor general Krulak was the first to be like, let's like spy rigging and putting extra guys on there and making the bigger and the higher ups like get the fuck outta here. Like it was so not overseas. If time because the technology, I guess for the time it's just kinda like that might be up there with the internet isn't going to be a thing that catches on seeing that from time around every now, and then we're dude wrote this big op-ed how the internet and now you can't find a hard copy of his blog, but you can find it anywhere on the internet two seconds mandate. Yeah. Internet's not gonna work or the military can't use helicopters, Mike and see a lot of people are looking at this going unmanned vehicles like what, but I can have solic- over time this becoming a huge fucking thing, especially because the military to save on manpower. If they can do that, you know, we're just like a completely unmanned military like where would dry right precision drones precision vehicles intelligence those tiny. Little have you guys seen those instagrams of the tiny little be size fucking cameras that they send around. Listen. They look like bugs. Yeah. Going all over the place. Does it scare you guys? Although the thought of just being completely unmanned military like the Dell 'cause I've never read nineteen eighty four to completion. So.
"general krulak" Discussed on Zero Blog Thirty
"What is that is like, so, you know, like, you have officers mess in you have like the regulars and like so chiefs in above in the navy and east Xs in the Marine Corps to would go like have like several mess hall, basically whenever you're eating like on a ship at they would actually be served the officers go through in get their shit from like a receiving line. You will like you would at a they actually get their meals like brought to them. Okay. All right. I know I don't hate it. I'm reading about general Krulak right now than reading his foot for like a thousand years now, but he was one of the top military officers it during especially during the Vietnam war by that. He was the three star. But he liked to take off his rank and mix. Amongst the men of the child hall and get the vibe for morale. How was the food? What's going on like he was like very much in in that such bullshit? Like everybody knows. It's general crew can be wearing a fucking dildo on his head because he was five foot three. So he really. Same thing. Like whenever you have these the comment. Remember the comment released video doing like the CFC's like I just wanna get out here and be with the marines. It just be true to like one of the nobody's trading like your fucking regular when you have four stars on your collar. You don't have to even be wearing the collar. You could be wearing nothing. You could be. But asked naked everybody's still salute. You not to mention I mean, you've earned the right to not be treated that way. As if you're just some normal soldier, normal marine. Yeah. Bullets. Several days. Like, I feel like I think that you go about your normal business. There is this really it's like fucking kernels who do at the most with general level officers who are just all up on the generals dick because they want the next Bill and things like that. I almost a real up fresh story alert I'll throw up whenever I was at Lackland. We're doing this demonstration for the combat tracker dots combat tracker dogs get track people up two miles away. Even if they get in a car like because they pick up on. It was the section that. I was in charge of when I was like almost done my time at Lackland. So we had an air force general thick I'm pretty sure it was the chief of staff come out, and we were doing it. They wanted to see the demonstration even in the rain 'cause we were like all about like, we could do this if it's raining snowing wherever we can do this tracking demonstration. So the general wanted to come out and see it. It was raining. A colonel. Was holding an umbrella of the chief of staff head and when I saw it. I was just like you little bitch. Like, why would you do that all Gerald? Fuck it. Why do you even need an umbrella? First of all you're still in uniform sound like us in class as or some shit. He's still in uniform getting an umbrella health Orem. Date is a very this is like the third store you've told, of course of cvt or some sort of umbrella has triggered you. Yeah. Chapel never use an umbrella. That's dad is a big time promise that I'm willing to make to the listeners right now. If you see me, this is a make a monetary promise. If you see me out in the streets with an umbrella, I will VIN mo- you one thousand dollars..
"general krulak" Discussed on Zero Blog Thirty
"One of the best sergeants I ever ever worked with. He was with two nine in Marsha. He was probably five four and the is respected the baby would've followed him anywhere. Also reading we talked about last week reading about general Krulak who was sidefoot three. I think like like Marine Corps legend so shutouts in the show. Fill is out there. Lasts less fun fact about Audie Murphy though, he's buried in Arlington National Serra cemetery. He is the second most visited gravesite behind only president Kennedy. Wow, that's pretty cool. All right. Let's go to round number five. Number five. This one's kind of depressing one. The suicide rate is at an all time high. It's at a ten year high among active duty marines. So I think oftentimes we, you know, we're talking about Audie Murphy and people PTSD is always in the news. It's always something to talk about. And I was racking my brain trying to think suicide rate among active duty marines, and they said many most often they see it's it's people have not deployed, and I've been racking my brain trying to think of why this is thing happening and part of me thinks you think it might be because they look at people coming back from deployment in their frayed to ask for help. Because they feel like well, what would I need help for its these guys are coming back. I haven't gone yet. Like, I've just been racking my brain after reading this story trying to figure out how it's a really good question because I'm sitting here. Taking in. I really I can't come up with anything Nancy to that question. I can't imagine why guys who are not deploying who are just in the marines would have a reason to kill themselves. No, that's I mean to. But I think it's not that it's not that. They don't have a reason or something like that. But it's that they're afraid to seek help. They probably do. I obviously they have reasons, but I'm just saying like, I don't even know like why they wouldn't get help. But also, I think it's the culture of there's an inherent toughness. And I think that there's still this false perception that if you need to go get mental health treatment, it involves a weakness, and it's a little bit more understandable. I think in the culture of the Marine Corps, if you need help if you've been to combat you've been dangerous places not so much if you've been and it was people like me when I was that caused that kinda shit like whenever I would go. I remember very specifically. There was an air force person. Who? Who always had a deployment prior to mind with my counselor in my counselor one day told me he was like, yeah, it's different. Like, we have different people come in. He's like, obviously, you have issues that stem from combat, but I have other people like an air force. This rank add she comes in after she talks about how she had a stressful time on her trip to Chile with the band, and I was like chili like the country of Chile, and I remember going back to my unit in absolutely roasted this because they were in getting mental health treatment in they had only went to Chile, and I was like what the fuck this happened in Chile like why would you need this? I have no idea she was like sexually assaulted or raped or what could possibly happen to her. But I remember being a huge part of the culture that was a problem in. I would say that around junior marines of all things that I did as a leader those of the things that I wish I could take back the most. But I think all. Also, something doesn't have to happen to you for you to be experiencing, depression, suicidal thoughts. So I think a lot of times they feel like they need to have a reason to go or their shame to go. And I think you can still be a wonderful amazing marine army's soldier, sailor, whatever NB dealing with depression. I've been open about it. I suffered from depression, and I still function and I still get through, but I have to seek out for it in. That's just the way that it goes. But it is hard to take that first step in a specially when you're in like you're saying that it is so scary. Because can I read this really quick hill?.
"general krulak" Discussed on WBAP 820AM
"At jimbotalks. As Jim Prosser joins us this evening. He's an award-winning writer, and he has now written no better friend. No worse enemy. It's published by broadside books, and the subtitle is the life of General James Mattis. Good evening, Jim. Thank you for being with us. Jim. Thank you. Absolutely. Of course. This man is known as as mad dog tell us if you will about the the origins of that, particular nickname. Well, I am I correct your common misperception. He does not approve of the mad dog. Nickname. It indicates someone who is out of control, and you know, a rabid. Rabbit killer, actually and eastbound from that. So anyway, the the. Nicknamed comes from. I believe it's a bit lost marine more. But it comes from. I believe after the advanced in the. First Gulf war, where General Mattis was leading a talian. Agree Kuwait, he had encountered an ambush on dispatched with the ambush and then. Advanced onto a his ultimate. Ultimate objective and was fired upon again by. A building with small arms fire, and he turned on that building all of his weapons with such a Curie that building collapsed. Would everyone in it. And it was. For my research. Reported that it was like poking mad dog with a stick. Fair enough story on it. And I think that's probably as close as we're going to get through enough. Although, but it has a nice ring of alliteration to it. But again to emphasize what our guest, Jim Proser says it is not a nickname. Certainly chosen nor preferred by the subject of of all of this. All right. How did you get off on the the the whole idea of writing this story about admittedly, a legendary military figure? I have written a previous biography of a marine named John Batchelor. Loan was up a legend in the Marine Corps during World War Two and. It just occurred to me that his modern counterpart. Could logically be. General mattis. I began to do research and found that he wasn't a very. Fascinating and multifaceted person. Great accomplishments in the great discipline. Some of that I admired as a personal role model. So I. Winning. Proposal. Publisher harpercollins. I decided that was good that fair enough. And I would certainly concur. It it is. Indeed, a very compelling read. I might add. There's other comparison that has been made with James Mattis, and that would be George Patton. Do you find that at all to be appropriate? No, I don't I think a patent was a bit thing glorious in his pursuit of recognition and admiration Madison's very much marines marine. He is a. Very humble on the very self pacing person. He did not seek the spotlight. In fact, I'm not entirely certain. He's happy with need for having written his book making more famous than well that's worthy. As we go to caller. That's that's worthy of a of a follow up to what extent did he cooperate at all with this book? He did it. He not even submit for an interview. No, no, I queried. And and asked him I have good connections within the Marine Corps, and they all met with, you know, no, no cooperation at all. So fair enough. Well, he's he's quite busy. And he is busy. That's certainly true. But obviously, not the not the eight self seeking a publicity seeker as we go. Go to this call I must follow up on that particular point in the Bob Woodward book, fear. Apparently when he was the White House press secretary, Sean Spicer, tried hard to get to Mattis to go and more talk shows he's been on. I guess a total of one I think face the nation and didn't care for that. I gather too much, and the the response was said to Aben, shall we say blunt, and and profane do base based on what you've read do you find that to be a credible response? It sounds like what I've read. Yeah. Yeah. Very much. So in fact, I I would I would venture guests that was two words that weren't on your. Fair enough one eight six six five zero JIMBO one eight six six five five four six two six as we are speaking tonight with Jim Prosser, he's the author of the new biography about the. Defense Secretary James Mattis called no better friend. No worse. Enemy a doc in Wilmington Delaware calls in. Hello, doc. You. I just wanted to go one question for Mr. producer. I know some young men are shooting. What is the mind? Where? As ex Brian who served in Iraq, wis General Mattis within Joe Mattis as dodger warfare and Kurla warfare is masterful. I like your comments thoughts on that, particularly as we face this face down in the nine eleven and post time eleven h guerrilla warfare all over the blow from Al Qaeda and other sources is John issue is General Mattis that good. I've been told by by the vendor. But that's that he used that good visa performance in Iraq. Okay. Your thoughts about Mattis Jim Proser as a as a deals with his knowledge of unconventional warfare. Well, it is as the caller says masterful years mass war fighter and particularly for the Iraq engagement. He. Probably instituted into liver. The. Most extensive briefing on that any marine unit has any marine unit has ever experienced in that it was a luminous pages from his own library. Delivered by Email to every every member of the first division that was under his command, Iraq and e. Specifically identified the banana wars, which was a guerilla campaign by the marine legend chesty puller in. How we how this? The house as marines were intended. Commander's intent for his marines. Which was the people are the pride and that they millions couldn't lose sight of even in guerilla warfare that the innocent victims of war were intended to be as he. Made famous or made. The motto of is the nation. No, better friend. No worse enemy meaning that. If they were shooting. They would find no worse enemy, but they will not shooting. They would find no better friend in the US marine. So very very aware and also his reading of sun Tzu who joined the phrase hearts and minds of the people who was very well aware and made his brains aware that the prize along with the people comes by winning their hearts and minds. Would it be fair to call James Mattis, a military scholar? Oh, yeah. Yes. Absolutely. Probably one of the foremost in American history. I mean, his personal library is said exceeded seven thousand volumes of rather arcane. Obscure books on the subject of warfare, not only warfare but civil administration, and and the as I say the. The soft side of warfare, which is the people and how to kneel with a population. That's in the middle of a shooting war. Very very well. Read very well spoken and a deeply. Engaged that the art of war, the the book, no better friend. No worse. Enemy leads off with a chapter one, titled no better friend, and it refers to general Krulak who was accommodated the Marine Corps and every year he and his wife about a week before Christmas would bake hundreds of Christmas cookies. Package them in small bundles. And then the Krulak would personally load up his car and drive to every marine guard post in the Washington, Annapolis Baltimore area. Pretty nice thing to do one year. He went down to Quantico the marine training base. Excuse me. The retraining base in Virginia. And he went to the command center give a package of the Lance corporal on-duty, lower ranking enlisted man that kind of person you'd find on duty on Christmas day, and he asked who's the obser- of the day? Lance, corporal, said search Brigadier General Mattis said no, no, no, I I know who General Mattis is. I mean who's the officer of the day today Christmas day? Meaning, of course, the low on the totem pole Lieutenant new got stuck with that duty and the Lance Chromebook feeling a bit anxious at sir, it is Brigadier General Mattis Krulak said he spotted in the back room, a cot, and he said, no, not Lance corporal who slept in that bed last night. The Lance corporal said, sir, it was Brigadier General Mattis at which time Mattis came in on Christmas day duty uniform on carrying a sword that that's pretty remarkable Brigadier General is never the officer of the day certainly on Christmas day. And yet very was why. Well, as he says, he said there was a an officer who had family General Mattis bachelor, and he felt that it would be better for the officer Christmas day off to be with his family and Mattis would serve in his head as the officer of the day..
"general krulak" Discussed on Talk 650 KSTE
"Tzu who coined the phrase hearts and minds of the people who is very well aware and made his brains aware that the prize along with the people comes by winning the hearts and minds. Would it be fair to call James Mattis, a military scholar? Oh, yes. Yes. Absolutely. Probably one of the foremost in American history. I mean, his personal library is said to exceeded seven thousand volumes of rather arcane and. Obscure books on the subject of warfare, not only warfare but civil administration, and and the as I say the. We soft side of warfare, which is the people on how to deal with a population. That's in the middle of a shooting war. Very very well. Read very well spoken and a deeply. Between gauged that the art of war, the the book, no better friend. No worse. Enemy leads off with a chapter one, titled no better friend, and it refers to general Krulak who was accommodated the Marine Corps and every year he and his wife about a week before Christmas would bake hundreds of Christmas cookies. Package them in small bundles. And then the Krulak would personally load up his car and drive to every marine guard post in the Washington, Annapolis Baltimore area. Pretty nice thing to do one year. He went down to Quantico the marine training base. Excuse me, the marine training base in Virginia. And he went to the command center gave a package of the Lance corporal on-duty lower ranking enlisted man, the kind of person you'd find on duty on Christmas day, and he asked who's the officer of the day? Lance, corporal, said search Brigadier General Mattis general could like said, no, no, no. I I know General Mattis is I mean who's the officer of the day today Christmas day. Meaning, of course, the lower the total pole Lieutenant who got stuck with that duty and the last book feeling anxious at sir, it is Brigadier General Mattis Krulak said he spotted in the back room, a cot, and he said, no, not Lance corporal who slept in that bed last night. The Lance corporal said, sir, it was Brigadier General Mattis at which time Mattis came in on Christmas day duty uniform on carrying a sword that that's pretty remarkable Brigadier General is never the officer of the day certainly on Christmas day. And yet very was why. Well, as he says, he said there was a an officer who had a family General Mattis bachelor, and he felt that it would be better for the officer to Christmas day off to be with his family and Mattis would serve in MS said as the officer of the day. One eight six six five O, JIMBO one eight six six five five four.
"general krulak" Discussed on KTAR 92.3FM
"He does not seek the spotlight. In fact, I'm not entirely certain. He's happy with me for having written his book making more famous than already as well owner that's worthy. As we go to a caller. That's that's worthy of a follow up to what extent did he cooperate at all with this book? Not at all. He did eat it. He not even submit for an interview. No, no, I queried. And and asked him I have no good connections within the Marine Corps, and they all met with, you know, no, no cooperation at all. So fair enough. Well, he's he's quite busy. And he is busy. That's certainly true. But obviously, not the not a self seeking a publicity seeker. As we go to this. Call I must follow up on that particular point in the the Bob Woodward book fear. Apparently when he was the White House press secretary, Sean Spicer, tried hard to get. Mattis to go and more talk shows he's been on. I guess a total of one I think face the nation and didn't care for that. I gather too much, and the the Mattis response was said to a bed, shall we say blunt, and and profane do base based on what you've read do you find that to be credible response? It sounds like what I've read. Yes. Very much. So in fact, I I would I would venture guests that would two words that weren't bond your. Fair enough one eight six six five zero JIMBO one eight six six five five four six two six as we are speaking tonight with Jim Prosser, he's the author of the new biography about the Defense Secretary James Mattis called no better friend. No worse. Enemy a doc in Wilmington Delaware calls in. Hello, doc. Mr wolf. My call. Sure, I just wanted to one act one question for Mr. producer. What is the mind? As little as ex brain who served in Iraq with General Mattis mess with the General Mattis dodger warfare and girl of warfare is masterful. I like your comments thoughts on that, particularly as we face this. Nine eleven and post nine eleven age, though, guerrilla warfare all over the globe from Al Qaeda and other sources is John is General Mattis that good. I've been told by by the vendor that he used that good. A visa here's performance in Iraq. Okay. Your thoughts about Mattis Jim grocer as it as it deals with his knowledge of unconventional warfare. Well, it is as the caller says masterful he is mass war warfighter and particularly for the Iraq engagement. He. Probably instituted and delivered the. The most extensive briefing that any marine unit has any marine? Unit has ever experienced in that it was of the luminous pages from his own library delivered by Email to every every member of the first division that was under his command in Iraq. And e. Specifically identified the banana wars, which was a guerilla campaign by the rain legend chesty puller. In how the how the his marines were intended. The commander's intent he's marines. Which was the people are the pride and that they millions couldn't lose sight of even in guerilla warfare. That the innocent victims of war were. Intended to be as he. Made famous or made the motto of his Asian, no better friend. No worse enemy meaning that. If they were shooting. They would find no worse enemy, but if they will not shooting they would find no better friend in the US marine. So he's very very aware and also his reading of sun Tzu. Who coined the phrase hearts minds of the people was very well aware and made his greens aware that the prize along with the people comes by winning their hearts and nine would it be fair to call James Mattis, a military scholar? Oh, yes. Yes. Absolutely. Probably one of the foremost in American history. I mean, his personal library is exceeded seven thousand volumes of rather arcane and. Obscure books on the subject of warfare, not only warfare, but civil administration, and and the as I say the the soft side of warfare, which is the people and how to. He'll with a population. That's in the middle of a shooting war. Very very well. Read very well spoken and a deeply. Between gauged that the art of war, the the book, no better friend. No worse. Enemy leads off with a chapter one, titled no better friend, and it refers to general Krulak who was accommodated the Marine Corps and every year he and his wife about a week before Christmas would bake hundreds of Christmas cookies. Package them in small bundles. And then the Krulak would personally load up his car and drive to every marine guard post in the Washington, Annapolis Baltimore area. Pretty nice thing to do one year. He went down to Quantico the marine training base. Excuse me. The retraining base in Virginia. And he went to the command center gave a package of the Lance corporal on-duty lower ranking enlisted man that kind of person you'd find on duty at Christmas day, and he asked who's the officer of the day? Lance, corporal, said search Brigadier General Mattis said no, no, no, I I know General Mattis is I mean who's the officer of the day today Christmas day, meaning, of course, the low on the totem pole Lieutenant who got stuck with that duty and the last group of feeling a bit anxious at sir, it is Brigadier. General Mattis grew like said he spotted in the back room, a cot, and he said, no, not Lance corporal who slept in that bed last night. The Lance corporal said, sir, it was Brigadier General Mattis at which time Mattis came in on Christmas day duty uniform on carrying a sword that that's pretty remarkable Brigadier General is never the officer of the day certainly on Christmas day. And yet very was why. Well, as he says, he said there was a an officer who had a family General Mattis, the bachelor, and he felt that it would be better for the officer to Christmas day off to be with his family and Mattis would serve in his head as the officer of the day. One eight six six five zero JIMBO one eight six six five zero five four six two six back with Jim the author have no better friend..
"general krulak" Discussed on Zero Blog Thirty
"Right yeah totally mark wahlberg would have done the same thing one hundred percent because he has a dick so yeah but i know like i you know i got out of the marine corps and i'm like oh marina but you know you think in your head though like i could handle situations better than most thought that until there was a spider my car on i ninety five gang i i almost took out a van full of children like screeching over to the side so yeah it's a good thing i wasn't i wasn't at the helm of that flight just let's let's magin okay you're you're you're a pilot and are responsible for the safety i think there was like one hundred eighty people on the on the on that flight your engine blows up probably pretty stressful moment everybody's little oxygen things foes through you get reports that somebody is getting sucked through a fucking window at that point imagine what the cabin of that plane sounded like in that moment those little doors they're not soundproof she hears everything her and her co pilot here everything that's going on shut out to the copilot to air force pilot so they are going through mass chaos everybody's gotta be freaking out screaming for her to be that calm engine bone out somebody's getting sucked out everybody's freaking out in the back and to give those instructions with that calmness clarity and conciseness is i mean it's a roic i don't know how you can describe it like we always talk about that the absence of fear is not courage but courage is moving forward despite fear like that is the definition of that because she has to be scared but she managed to push this aside and to steal a quote from general krulak she march to the sounds of the guns it wasn't guns in that situation but it was very stressful situations shot out to her in correctable.
"general krulak" Discussed on WBT Charlotte News Talk
"In afghanistan during the carter administration yup calling it bringing them into their vietnam it seems like those words have kind of come back to haunt us in we are in our our second vietnam if you will well absolutely and i'm glad you started the carbocation all were quoting one of my dearest granted they former commodore truck krulak and a it's been my house of over six year on afghanistan and he would say to you today if he would go on being interviewed at a made that he agree to walter judged it's time that the country evaluate progress in afghanistan or the lack of progress why do we continue to spin money in afghanistan that we could be in a right here in america and why we continue in our pressure tweet sources out young men and women to go to that country to die and they have their limbs blown apart and as you point out in the text of the bill osama bin laden who is the architect of mine eleven if you will yep was officially declared dead in 2011 and but we're still there i guess the question is you know from from someone who has children and grandchildren who could you know if this doesn't stop could very well end up there why are we still there what what what do we actually expect to achieve steve you know we talk about winning in afghanistan what's the prize what is what is it that we would gain will mark to your point there is nothing that we can gained in afghanistan but for this reason it is a problem nation one of the strongest trapped in afghanistan's the part and the pouch news make up the majority of the taliban the taliban are or who america is fighting and i do not understand we don't have a definition of what is victory and at the know the problem that i have learnt from the military as well as general krulak you don't have a strategy if you don't know what you're trying to achieve and we're talking with north carolina congressman walter jones who has introduced a bill.